[11:16] <Keybuk> morning Marco
[11:17] <AlexExtreme> Keybuk: what did you use to create the graph on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReplacementInitscripts ?
[11:19] <Keybuk> dot
[11:19] <Keybuk> from the graphviz package
[11:19] <Keybuk> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/feisty.dot
[11:20] <AlexExtreme> cool, thanks
[11:20] <Keybuk> (note, that's a text file, not an OpenOffice document <g>)
[11:20] <AlexExtreme> yeah :)
[11:24] <AlexExtreme> bbl
[11:30] <Keybuk> Md: I guess you saw kay's lkml post about merging some of modprobe into udev?
[11:32] <Md> Keybuk: not yet
[11:39] <Keybuk> ah
[11:39] <Keybuk> it's in the thread BenC started about making it possible to move some of the device/driver binding decisions to userspace
[11:40] <Keybuk> Md: no major changes of consequence in our m-i-t patch; just our usual two extra patches (silence modprobe & combine modprobe.conf/modprobe.d automatically)
[11:41] <Keybuk> I suspect we'll be dropping the silence one now that we want verbose log messages by default
[12:15] <Md> can you tell me the thread title?
[12:17] <_ion> A nice graph.
[12:17] <Keybuk> [RFC]  Pushing device/ddriver binding decisions to userspace
[12:17] <Keybuk> Kay's comment in that
[06:52] <Keybuk> *yawn*
[06:54] <AlexExtreme> *yawn* too
[06:54] <Keybuk> I've almost finally finished merges
[06:54] <Keybuk> just sysvinit to go
[06:54] <Keybuk> that'll be fun
[06:54] <AlexExtreme> i'm trying to find something to code, which is usually a signal that i'm bored ;)
[06:55] <AlexExtreme> merges of what?
[06:55] <Keybuk> Debian changes into Ubuntu
[06:55] <Keybuk> it's the blackhole of developer time in the first few weeks of our release cycle
[06:56] <AlexExtreme> ah
[06:56] <AlexExtreme> ok
[06:56] <AlexExtreme> i'm going to get some food
[06:56] <AlexExtreme> bbl
[11:21] <Keybuk> wasabi: hey
[11:55] <Keybuk> so I thought about things a bit
[11:55] <Keybuk> I'm convinced that the eight-step state machine is correct
[11:55] <Keybuk> but think you're right that the events aren't
[11:56] <Keybuk> especially as the state machine is more complex, you could end up being started by an event but needing to list two or three stop events, depending on the path through the state machine
[11:56] <Keybuk> so...
[11:56] <Keybuk> keeping the eight states (but renamed a bit, to make more sense)
[11:56] <Keybuk> but only having four events
[11:56] <Keybuk> start (or starting?) when the goal is set to start, started once the entire process of starting is complete
[11:56] <Keybuk> stop (or stopping?) when the goal is set to stop, stopped once the entire process of stopping is complete
[11:57] <Keybuk> that should fulfil all the use cases I had
[11:57] <_ion> Where is the spec about this 8-step state machine?
[11:57] <Keybuk> _ion: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/JobStates
[11:57] <Keybuk> so, the interesting thing about the start and stop events ...
[11:57] <_ion> "starting" and "stopping" make sense
[11:57] <_ion> Thanks.
[11:58] <Keybuk> the "start" and "stop" commands can then just generate those events
[11:58] <Keybuk> and only once those events are handled, begin the process of starting the job
[11:59] <Keybuk> so if tomcat had "stop on stop apache"
[11:59] <Keybuk> then tomcat would be fully stopped before apache began stopping
[12:08] <Keybuk> anyhoo, bed


[08:16] <brainwash> I open the terminal and start to type before the actual prompt string is printed. This breaks the string somewhat by adding my typed chars in front of it.
[08:16] <brainwash> Is this an actual bug or "you are doing it wrong"?
[08:19] <ochosi> elfy: hm, does it still make sense to discuss the QA incentive programme idea at the meeting then? (i guess if you prep a document on that, we could still discuss it)
[08:19] <knome> qa incentive?
[08:19] <knome> bounties for testing? :)
[08:20] <ochosi> pretty much, yeah
[08:20] <knome> yeah, i wouldn't mind that
[08:20] <ochosi> we established that testing is a bit boring, so motivating ppl isn't easy
[08:21] <ochosi> since the xfce bug bounty programme seems to be doing fine without the (little) money we have, i wouldn't mind spending it on QA
[08:21] <ochosi> e.g. xubuntu t-shirt for most active tester in the cycle
[08:21] <knome> mmh
[08:21] <ochosi> or i dunno, that's just a random thought
[08:21] <knome> that's not a bad idea
[08:22] <knome> i mean, it's relatively cheap for us and gets us a long way if at least 2 people start "competing"
[08:22] <ochosi> would've preferred if elfy would've been there for the meeting to discuss it, but we can probably discuss it either way
[08:22] <ochosi> when i suggested the idea, he seemed to like it
[08:22] <ochosi> and we can just start by collecting ideas
[08:22] <knome> mhm
[08:23]  * elfy still does :p
[08:24] <ochosi> btw, i'm away for the rest of today and tomorrow
[08:24] <elfy> I'd propose stickers once a month or something, then t-shirt at cycle end for most prolific during the whole cycle
[08:24] <elfy> something like that
[08:24] <ochosi> yeah, i think we should make a list of these proposals/ideas incl. what they cost
[08:24] <elfy> ochosi: unfortunately unless a meeting during the day coincides with me not working I'll never be about
[08:24] <ochosi> and then just decide on what makes most sense
[08:25] <elfy> just so you know - Friday's I'm usually not working if you do want me there
[08:25] <ochosi> elfy: hm right, seems hard to find a time that works for everyone
[08:25] <ochosi> yeah, i was considering a meeting later in the week, but then i felt maybe before b1 is a good idea
[08:25] <knome> stickers isn't bad either
[08:26] <knome> ochosi, thought before b1 is just useful for "developers", and/or other people who need to land $x
[08:26] <knome> and maybe QA people.. :)
[08:26] <ochosi> right, which is why i set the time so it would work for bluesabre ;)
[08:27] <elfy> QA people don't really need a meeting *just* before :p
[08:27] <elfy> and if I'm the only one that does anything with b1 there won't be a b final ;)
[08:28] <knome> elfy, right, except if you are waiting for a fix to land ;)
[08:28] <ochosi> well, in terms of gathering feedback from QA it's still useful i think
[08:28] <ochosi> also to establish the road to b2
[08:29] <elfy> @19/8 we had 52/580 64bit image tests done, 32bit is worse and package testing has in general been me testing for testcase and jjfrv8 doing one afterwards
[08:29] <meetingology> elfy: Error: "19/8" is not a valid command.
[08:30] <elfy> shutup meetingology
[08:30] <knome> haha
[08:30] <ochosi> :)
[08:35] <ochosi> knome: btw, unless you wanna work on the accessibility version of greybird, i'll postpone this once again
[08:35] <ochosi> i know i won't have time until UIF
[08:35] <knome> yeah, please do
[08:35] <knome> if i surprisingly get kicked out of my projects (or everything gets stalled) and i have a lot of motivation, it might happen... but yeah
[08:36] <ochosi> also, please don't let the UIF approach too much for starting to work on the new wallpaper ;)
[08:36] <knome> no no
[08:36] <knome> not at all
[08:36] <knome> :P
[08:36] <knome> this is the cycle when i start working on the wallpaper WELL BEFORE THE UIF
[08:36] <knome> like, in june...
[08:36] <knome> well tbe, i have something from july
[08:37] <knome> but it's still far from fit to release :)
[08:37] <ochosi> then keep the fricking blueprint updated!
[08:37] <knome> well
[08:37] <ochosi> and set it to inprogress
[08:37] <knome> it's actually more like TODO than INPROGRESS
[08:37] <ochosi> also, for some reason there's no trello card for that
[08:37] <knome> you should see the progress
[08:37] <knome> (not)
[08:38] <knome> let me add that now then
[08:38] <ochosi> already done
[08:38] <knome> boo
[08:38] <knome> i just LOGGED IN to trello
[08:38] <ochosi> just thought you deserved a little shout-out for being so whiney about this last time ;)
[08:38] <knome> yes, that's fair
[08:38] <elfy> lol
[08:38] <ochosi> (but yeah, it was good that you were)
[08:39] <knome> i really wish i had more time...
[08:39] <knome> like 24 more hours per day
[08:39] <ochosi> (at least i have it more on my radar again)
[08:40] <knome> ugh.. i need coffee.
[08:40] <elfy> knome: you can set a due date for the wallpaper on trello - then it'll show up on the team calendar so we can see how you're doing :)
[08:40] <ochosi> mm, that'd be nice
[08:40] <elfy> oh - we did have trello stuff on there at some point - seems to be missing now
[08:41] <elfy> but setting a date does allow us to see it on the trello calendar
[08:41] <ochosi> i dunno, iirc Unit193 handled that
[08:41] <ochosi> i mean the trello -> team calendar integration
[08:41] <elfy> yea - certainly wasn't elfy :p
[08:45] <knome> obviously the due date should be UIF..
[08:45] <ochosi> nah, at least two days before
[08:45] <knome> aha
[08:45] <ochosi> give bluesabre some time to upload
[08:46] <knome> september 8 then
[08:46] <ochosi> (just because we have an awesome uploader now doesn't mean we should drive him towards a heart-attack)
[08:46] <knome> i hate to say this, but that's like not going to happen
[08:46]  * knome hides under the table
[08:46] <ochosi> the heart-attack? or sept 8?
[08:46] <knome> i need to get back to work :|
[08:46] <knome> sept 8..
[08:47] <ochosi> seriously?
[08:47] <knome> well, i'm swamped with work
[08:47] <ochosi> i understand, but to the worst do an iteration of the 14.04 wall
[08:47] <ochosi> just small changes
[08:47] <knome> yeah, i know
[08:47] <ochosi> ppl loved that wall
[08:47] <ochosi> and ubuntu does it too (just changing tiny aspects)
[08:47] <knome> ket's see what happens
[08:47] <ochosi> so it'd make sense
[08:47] <knome> hah.
[08:48] <knome> anyway, i'm off to do some work
[08:48] <ochosi> k, ttyl
[08:48] <knome> be back in some time
[08:48] <ochosi> gotta focus on work too
[08:48] <ochosi> will be back on sunday
[08:48] <knome> aha
[08:48] <elfy> cya chaps
[08:48] <knome> then hf until that
[08:48] <ochosi> you too
[08:48] <ochosi> cya elfy (and all others)
[08:49] <elfy> have fun
[10:07] <bluesabre> hey guys
[10:08] <bluesabre> knome: yeah, in the spirit of ubuntu, just change the contrast in one corner and call it done ;)
[10:40] <bluesabre> xubutrello: card 67
[10:40] <xubutrello> There's no list called <card 67> on the board, bluesabre. Sorry.
[10:40] <bluesabre> xubutrello: help
[10:40] <brainwash> knome: can you please remove gnome-terminal and lxterminal from the affects list? The affected terminal emulators all depend on libvte, so I've reassigned the bug
[10:41] <brainwash> bug 1237594
[10:41] <bluesabre> xubutrello: card 67 link
[10:41] <xubutrello> https://trello.com/c/I9GzeyJ7/67-upower-0-99-transition-staging-at-https-launchpad-net-noskcaj-archive-upower-packages
[10:41] <bluesabre> ^ Noskcaj, with FF yesterday, is this postponed for after 14.10?
[10:43] <brainwash> thought that the upower transition was already done, but meh
[10:44] <brainwash> xorg 1.16 will land after FF
[10:45] <slickymasterWork> I can do that for you if you want brainwash
[10:46] <slickymasterWork> brainwash: re: bug 1237594 ^^
[10:46] <bluesabre> I mean, the code is there for most of xfce, but upower 0.99 is not
[10:46] <brainwash> slickymasterWork: would be awesome
[10:46] <bluesabre> in utopic
[10:47] <knome> bluesabre, you should really get that bug team membership
[10:47] <slickymasterWork> brainwash: done
[10:47] <slickymasterWork> hey knome bluesabre
[10:47] <knome> hey
[10:47] <bluesabre> knome, I know, on my todo list
[10:47] <brainwash> slickymasterWork: thank you :)
[10:48] <slickymasterWork> not only that knome, he should also get bugcontrol membership
[10:52] <knome> yep.
[10:52] <slickymasterWork> knome: do you have any idea on when will the new menulibre string get synchronized?
[10:52] <slickymasterWork> s/string/strings
[10:53] <knome> once there is a new release
[10:53] <knome> or: ask bluesabre
[10:53] <slickymasterWork> bluesabre: ^^
[10:57] <bluesabre> suppose I could push a strings update package to utopic this weekend
[10:59] <bluesabre> going to get ready for work now... leave me a ping if you guys need anything done tonight
[10:59] <knome> bluesabre, new wallpaper pls?:P
[11:34] <brainwash> slickymasterWork: can you also please change the importance of this report to wishlist (both packages)? bug 1301056
[11:34] <slickymasterWork> brainwash: done, on both packages
[11:35] <brainwash> slickymasterWork: thanks :)
[11:35] <slickymasterWork> np brainwash
[11:35] <slickymasterWork> but I still think that you should apply for bug team membership
[11:35] <brainwash> btw is apport still disabled in 14.10?
[11:36] <brainwash> usually we get some crash reports during the time before final release
[11:39] <brainwash> timeout
[11:39] <slickymasterWork> brainwash: re:apport I believe so
[11:40] <brainwash> waiting for some crash reports to flood in :)
[11:41] <slickymasterWork> bmurray will have his hands full ;)
[11:41] <slickymasterWork> s/bmurray/bdmurray
[11:56] <slickymasterWork> lunch time. bbl ->
[13:55] <brainwash> slickymaster: can you maybe point this bug reporter in the right direction? would be great if we could show him how to fix this easily
[13:56] <brainwash> bug 1355018
[13:57] <brainwash> sadly I'm not familiar with the translation process :/
[14:01] <knome> i don't think there is an "easy" way, but all xfce translations are practically managed in transifex
[14:02] <knome> getting the translation that is in transifex to land in xubuntu will take some time whatsoever (need releases)
[14:06] <brainwash> right, I think that everyone can get involved and contribute translations, especially if the user is known to be regular bug reporter :)
[14:07] <brainwash> I thought that transifex is an "easy" way to do it
[14:07] <knome> they need to be approved to the german xfce translations team in transifex
[14:07] <knome> it is relatively easy, but it's not like editing a wiki.
[14:07] <knome> you need to log in, and need to be approved
[14:08] <brainwash> I see, this makes sense
[14:08] <knome> but after that, sure, it's easy
[14:53] <brainwash> knome: what would be the appropriate importance for bug 1291606 ?
[14:54] <brainwash> is "high" really the right one?
[14:55] <elfy> alberto again :)
[14:55] <slickymasterWork> lol
[14:56] <slickymasterWork> just wait for the emoticons in LP elfy :P
[14:56] <elfy> lol
[14:57] <brainwash> so, how important are translations?
[14:57] <elfy> not at all to me :p
[14:57] <brainwash> but for the xubuntu project
[14:58] <slickymasterWork> they are important brainwash, at least for the apps we ship by default
[14:58] <brainwash> if translations are missing, well, then you have to wait until they are available, right?
[14:58] <slickymasterWork> yeaps
[14:58] <elfy> A bug that has a moderate impact on a core application.
[14:58] <elfy> meium
[14:58] <elfy> medium even
[14:58] <slickymasterWork> the reporter claims that the translation is already made though
[14:58] <brainwash> yes, I vote for 'medium' too
[14:59] <slickymasterWork> I agree with elfy's assessment
[14:59] <brainwash> please change it :)
[14:59] <elfy> I'm just reading the bug importance wiki
[14:59] <slickymasterWork> okie dokie
[14:59] <brainwash> copy pasta :>
[14:59] <elfy> of course
[15:00] <slickymasterWork> done
[15:01] <elfy> better give the images a whirl - not done that for a day or so
[15:02]  * slickymasterWork likes elfy's pro-activity
[15:02] <brainwash> slickymasterWork: thanks
[15:02] <slickymasterWork> np brainwash
[15:23] <knome> brainwash, at most medium imo.
[16:34] <brainwash> Noskcaj: any idea what could be broken here? bug 1314802
[16:35] <brainwash> the bug reporter claims that the amd64 package is missing translations
[16:41] <knome> explain me how "notebook tabs" are different from "tabs" ?
[16:41] <knome> or, how should that be translated?
[16:56] <brainwash> knome: me?
[17:23] <knome> brainwash, if you feel qualified to answer, yes...
[17:31] <ali1234> seems like notebook tabs means vertical tabs
[17:41] <elfy> Unit193: no kernel modules with the mini.iso again ...
[17:58] <Unit193> How on earth...
[18:05] <elfy> no idea - and it's been too long a day to worry much :p
[18:07] <Unit193> Just did another upgrade too.
[18:10] <knome> elfy, mmh
[18:19] <Unit193> Hah, now it wants to ask for a password every time I switch to workspace one. :P
[20:14] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, looking now
[20:24] <elfy> Unit193: anyway, re -core I've more or less got the testcase sorted, just need to be sure the order, wording works so I can get it on the tracker system, balloons will deal with getting it usable for us
[20:26] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, I can confirm. This is "Fixed" in the utopic version (must have been from a rebuild), but then the amd64 version has a few that i386 doesn't
[20:37] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Do you mean brainwash?
[20:37] <Noskcaj> yes. :(
[20:37] <Noskcaj> tab completion is hard
[20:40] <brainwash> b<tab> :D
[20:41] <Unit193> I use it too, yes. >_>
[20:42] <brainwash> Noskcaj: thanks for commenting on the report :)
[20:42] <Noskcaj> I'm running a rebuild in my ppa now
[21:04] <Noskcaj> A rebuild has removed all the issues.
[21:32] <Noskcaj> Where is the bug for the website being translatable? It relates to the exo bug
[21:32] <Unit193> ...How does that even relate?
[21:33] <Unit193> Project xubuntu-website, iirc.
[21:33] <Unit193> (LP: #797600 if you didn't see.)
[21:35] <Noskcaj> Unit193, The bug i'm looking at is a dupe of some non-english xubuntu issues, one of the ones listed is that a translated link goes to and english only website
[21:36] <Unit193> Aha, I see!  A reference to it rather than direct link. gotcha.  That's not likely to get "fixed" soon anyway.
[21:39] <Noskcaj> bug 1308533 is now the main bug. I'll look into an SRU when i get back from soccer. Hopefully someone, somewhere, is already working on thunderbird
[21:44] <brainwash> Noskcaj: oh... did you forget about bug 733563 ? :)
[21:47] <brainwash> the patch wasn't included due to FF (trusty)
[21:48] <Noskcaj> brainwash, yes. And now it's the FF again.
[21:48] <Unit193> Stupid FF... :D
[21:49] <brainwash> yeah :/
[21:49] <brainwash> bad luck
[21:49] <Noskcaj> Is it worth an FFe? if so, i can get it made later today
[21:49] <brainwash> don't think so
[21:50] <Noskcaj> Hopefully i'll remember it for 15.04 then
[21:50] <brainwash> :)
[22:28] <Unit193> It'll be nice when 15.04 opens, yeah.
[23:51] <Unit193> bluesabre: Once we hear back from Lubuntu, we looking to fix xfpm/lxpanel?
[23:52] <bluesabre> yeah, I think that'd be best for them
[23:52] <bluesabre> :)
[23:53] <Unit193> we=you, of course! :---D
[23:54] <bluesabre> oh wait, now its just me?
[23:54] <bluesabre> tab complete
[23:55] <bluesabre> brainwash: do it
[23:55] <bluesabre> ;)
[23:55] <bluesabre> I cheated, tab-complete filled me in
[23:55] <bluesabre> :(
[23:55] <Unit193> Heh, well I have the fixes, though I think rather than splitting a -dev out we'll just jam it in lxpanel like Debian does.  Next release will have -dev, better not to change stuff.
[23:56] <Unit193> The xfpm dep could even be lxpanel-dev | lxpanel to fix it now and later (it'll fall back to lxpanel since it can't get -dev.)
[23:56] <bluesabre> neat


[12:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120468 in amule (universe) "aMule crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120468
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120467 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "usb mouse crashes after a while" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120467
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120469 in Ubuntu "I am denied access to the terminal." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120469
[12:12] <calc> bdmurray: if i see a bug report that isn't security related and it is fixed in a newer version do i close the bug as fixed and state which revision fixed it, or leave it open and mark it fixed in newer version, etc?
[12:13] <bryyce> calc, for that ooo bug, I'd mark it wishlist and file upstream with openoffice
[12:13] <bryyce> (if it isn't already)
[12:13] <calc> bryyce: ok i marked it as wishlist already
[12:14] <calc> the other issue is i am seeing some bugs for older releases that are already fixed or at least appear to be
[12:14] <bdmurray> !sru
[12:14] <ubotu> Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for main and restricted, while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU is for universe and multiverse.
[12:14] <bdmurray> calc: that might be helpful and
[12:14] <bryyce> calc, generally if it's fixed upstream you mark it 'Fix Committed', and when it's available in a released version of ubuntu or in an update, you can mark it 'Fix Released'
[12:14] <bdmurray> !backports
[12:15] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[12:15] <bryyce> calc, yeah those that are against old releases can be marked Fix Released generally
[12:15] <calc> ok
[12:15] <bryyce> however if there's any uncertainty I usually ask the user if they're still having the issue with Feisty
[12:15] <bryyce> if they don't reply in a month or so, then I close as fix released
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #120471 in sendmail (universe) "libmilter-dev libs misplaced" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120471
[12:16] <bryyce> bdmurray: aw, bug count is going back up again  http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/
[12:17] <bryyce> people need to stop testing so much!  ;-) ;-)
[12:18] <bdmurray> some of these new reports are uh, interesting
[12:21] <ubotu> New bug: #120472 in Ubuntu "Dual X Screen, Screen 2 uses Screen 1's size for applications." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120472
[12:26] <ubotu> New bug: #120473 in Ubuntu "Gnome panels frequently reset" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120473
[12:28] <gnomefreak> yep after every update that will change it they update
[12:29] <gnomefreak> stop updating/installing packages :)
[12:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120475 in timemachine (universe) ".desktop file wrong srouce" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120475
[12:41] <calc> who does rosetta imports?
[12:41] <calc> i have a bug about missing german translations for openoffice.org
[12:41] <calc> bug 65267
[12:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 65267 in openoffice.org "Missing German upstream translations" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/65267
[12:42] <pochu> calc: pitti and carlos.
[12:42] <pochu> calc: btw, congrats for your new job :)
[12:42] <calc> pochu: thank you :)
[12:42] <pochu> Now you can fix all those weird OOo bugs. kthxbye :)
[12:43] <pochu> bdmurray will be happy, since it'll mean reducing the bug counter in ~500 bugs, right? :)
[12:49] <yuriy> why is ubuntu-bugs a bug contact for compiz?
[12:49] <ScottK-laptop> Because it's a bug contact for all Ubuntu packages.
[12:50] <calc> pochu: yea
[12:50] <yuriy> ok i'm looking at the wrong thing, more like why is ubuntu qa subscribed to bug 119966
[12:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119966 in compiz "Cube-switch between workspaces doesn't work normally after 3D enabled more than twice" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119966
[12:50] <calc> another question what causes language packs to be installed
[12:51] <calc> i can't seem to track them back with rdepends to anything useful
[12:51] <ScottK-laptop> yuriy: Shouldn't be.
[12:51] <yuriy> oh somebody added it
[12:51] <pochu> And they shouldn't.
[12:51] <ScottK-laptop> Not subscribed any more.
[12:52] <pochu> ty
[12:52] <pochu> calc: Hmm, the install process ask you to install them, if you're connected to the network.
[12:52] <pochu> Or it they are in the CD/DVD
[12:53] <calc> ok
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120478 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Cannot control fan on Lenovo N100 notebooks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120478
[01:06] <pochu> Good night folks!
[01:34] <owh> I'm trying to fix a bug in gphpedit. I think that the problem is that a parameter being passed is defined as a gint, but expected to be a glong. There are over 300 parameters to check. I'm using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b to build the package. How do I get the compiler to tell me of these mismatches?
[01:36] <bdmurray> owh: I'd ask in ubuntu-devel
[01:36] <owh> Cool.
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120482 in openoffice.org (main) "Openoffice Presentation Crashes on exit everytime after presentation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120482
[01:47] <bdmurray> that oo bug is probably a dup
[02:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120483 in Ubuntu "nfsboot ubuntu desktop fails with errors creating /dev/null" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120483
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #120484 in update-manager (main) "[gutsy]  crashes on partial upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120484
[03:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120486 in paintlib (universe) "Please sync paintlib (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120486
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #120487 in gtk+2.0 (main) ""save in folder" shows next item in combobox after selection" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120487
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120488 in grub (main) "Error 22 post instalation reboot while USB flash drive was plugged in, grub didn't load" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120488
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120489 in debian-installer (main) "Upgrade failed because /boot ran out of disk space" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120489
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120490 in quota (main) "quota only displays the first automounted file-system" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120490
[05:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120491 in beryl-core (universe) "error with beryl" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120491
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120492 in Ubuntu "unable to fix broken links" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120492
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120493 in firefox (main) "firefox crashes when download window pop ups or opening preferences from edit menu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120493
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #120494 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging/inclusion]  gutenpy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120494
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120495 in xine-lib (main) "DVB segfault with latest xine" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120495
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #120496 in Ubuntu "Beryl "white screen of death" in Gutsy Gibbon" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120496
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #120497 in partimage (universe) "/dev/dm inode missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120497
[07:30] <ubotu> New bug: #120502 in thunderbird (main) "I cannot able to read Telugu unicode fonts. Please help." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120502
[07:31] <ubotu> New bug: #120499 in vim (main) "vim-gnome crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120499
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120503 in thunderbird (main) "I cannot able to read Telugu unicode fonts. Please help." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120503
[07:36] <ubotu> New bug: #120504 in mdadm (main) "mdadm : boot failed sometimes, no devices found" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120504
[08:16] <ubotu> New bug: #120505 in yelp (main) "only get web connection through launchpad" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120505
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120507 in archmage (universe) "archmage --version crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120507
[08:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120508 in Ubuntu "Gutsy upgrade from Feisty leaves Feisty Docs in System / About Ubuntu (dup-of: 120509)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120508
[08:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120509 in Ubuntu "Gutsy upgrade from Feisty leaves Feisty Docs in System / About Ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120509
[08:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120510 in xubuntu-system-tools (main) "xlock hangs up my system" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120510
[08:56] <ubotu> New bug: #120512 in Ubuntu "cloop don't work with 7.04 (amd64)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120512
[09:01] <ubotu> New bug: #120514 in xen-tools (universe) "No hooks for Feisty when specifying "dist" option creating new VM" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120514
[09:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120431 in Ubuntu "ATI Radeon 700 AGP 32MB" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120431
[09:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120513 in linux-source-2.6.22 "drm trying to allocate 0 bytes of memory" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120513
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120515 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Master volume control doesn't work, PCM only" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120515
[09:35] <thekorn> moin dholbach
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120517 in Ubuntu "Very slow copy file usb to usb" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120517
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120518 in Ubuntu "beryl crashes without cause" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120518
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120519 in Ubuntu "beryl crashes without cause" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120519
[09:35] <dholbach> good morning
[09:36] <dholbach> hey thekorn
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120520 in ffmpeg (main) "VLC downloads Flash Video rather than streaming it" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120520
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120521 in Ubuntu "gnome-power-manager does not suspend on laptop lid close" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120521
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120522 in kcemirror (universe) "kcemirror crashes on startup (AMD64)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120522
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120525 in openoffice.org (main) "transparency rendering problem in presentations" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120525
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #120527 in Ubuntu "Sage.  Open Source Mathematics Software." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120527
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120528 in desktop-effects (main) "Desktop Effects crashes after a while" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120528
[10:31] <ubotu> New bug: #120530 in mail-notification (universe) ""Unable to contact Evolution" in Gutsy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120530
[10:41] <ubotu> New bug: #120532 in ghostscript (main) "Memory and CPU problem on Ubuntu 7.04" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120532
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120534 in backup-manager (universe) "Files in repository not matching name convention will be deleted during clean-up" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120534
[11:21] <ubotu> New bug: #120535 in make-dfsg (main) "make invokes bad shell (/bin/sh instead of ${SHELL} )" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120535
[11:21] <ubotu> New bug: #120536 in xen-meta (universe) "[feature req]  Can someone generate a ununtu-xen-server-amd64 package?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120536
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #120538 in Ubuntu "id3 tag version differences result in confusing behaviour (e.g. rhythmbox, easytag)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120538
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120539 in Ubuntu "Wishlist: QT Jambi" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120539
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120540 in thunderbird (main) "full page not visible on monitor-cut off on right side" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120540
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120541 in gnome-games (main) "no sound in nibbles games" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120541
[11:53] <pochu> bdmurray: does it still make sense to say on UbuntuBugDay that the HugDay will be on #ubuntu-devel?
[11:54] <pochu> dholbach: would you mind to update the topic? Next HugDay is on June 27th :-)
[11:54] <dholbach> pochu: no, it should be at #ubuntu-bugs
[11:54] <pochu> Ok, I'll update it.
[11:55] <pochu> dholbach: thanks!
[11:55] <pochu> wiki updated.
[11:59] <dholbach> thanks
[12:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120546 in openoffice.org2-amd64 (main) "OpenOffice 2.2.0 in Feisty starts with multiple gtype.c:2242 assertion failures" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120546
[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120548 in firefox (main) "Crash durign firefox use" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120548
[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120549 in gnome-power-manager (main) "power manger shows always the same capacity of logitech mouse" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120549
[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120550 in ekiga (main) "registration refused with Free IAP (France)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120550
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #120552 in evolution (main) "Conflicting hotkeys" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120552
[01:03] <pochu> asac: in bug 26038, debian closed it saying it didn't affect 1.8 branch, and thus it didn't affect mozilla. Is that also the case in Ubuntu?
[01:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 26038 in mozilla "[CVE-2005-1790]  DoS against Mozilla-based browsers" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/26038
[01:04] <asac> pochu: its fix released
[01:05] <asac> oh yeah
[01:05] <asac> pochu: i dropped a comment
[01:06] <pochu> Cool :)
[01:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120480 in Ubuntu "HUGE Logon Font" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120480
[01:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120554 in Ubuntu "[Needs Packaging]  PJSIP" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120554
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120557 in gok (universe) "Merge gok-1.2.5-1 from debian unstable." [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120557
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120560 in qjackctl (universe) "Merge qjackctl 0.2.22-2 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120560
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120562 in Ubuntu "[Needs Packaging]  PJMedia" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120562
[01:41] <ubotu> New bug: #120561 in alsa-driver (main) "Sound card not recognized in latest Feisty " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120561
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120563 in Ubuntu "nautilus hangs when restricted-manager crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120563
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120564 in openoffice.org (main) "Thesaurus disabled in OpenOffice.org 2.2 and cannot be enabled." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120564
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120565 in blender (universe) "Game engine crashes on 64bit ubuntu feisty 7.04" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120565
[02:48] <coNP> is Bug #116460 really a gnome-terminal bug?
[02:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116460 in gnome-terminal "cannot update any package or security update" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116460
[02:53] <Hobbsee> doubt it
[02:53] <Hobbsee> dholbach: we need a predefined response for "you ahve screwed up your system dependancies, please do x,y,z"
[02:54] <seb128> Hobbsee: that's NOTABUG
[02:54] <seb128> people doing that should deal with support tracker, not bug tracker
[02:54] <Hobbsee> exactly
[02:54] <Hobbsee> what i wonder about is why bdmurray has responded to it
[02:54] <Hobbsee> there seems to be something in synaptic that's telling pepole to file bugs
[02:54] <Hobbsee> and a lot fo tha tmessage coming up
[02:55] <seb128> coNP: no
[02:55] <Hobbsee> hiya mvo_
[02:55] <Hobbsee> mvo_'s having the daily battle with his connection again, it looks like
[02:55] <coNP> thanks Hobbsee, seb128 for confirming me
[02:57] <Hobbsee> seb128: i wonder how easy it is to make bughelper search for "dpkg --configure -a", give a predefined response, and auto-close the bug
[02:57] <seb128> not too hard I guess
[02:57] <Hobbsee> i've yet to see a legitimate bug with that string in it
[03:05] <seb128> hey mvo__
[03:08] <mvo__> hey seb128
[03:10] <seb128> mvo__: Alter! Your internet looks really crappy today ;)
[03:10] <seb128> I've tried to query you several time without luck
[03:10] <Hobbsee> yay, mvo__ exists now!
[03:12] <Hobbsee> seb128: do you know what the solution is to:  ***MEMORY-WARNING***: [3821] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon...
[03:13] <seb128> Hobbsee: I think I'm going to starting kicking people mentioning this warning :p
[03:13] <seb128> Hobbsee: call g_thread_init() before using glib functions as indicated ;)
[03:13] <Hobbsee> seb128: right, so there's no solution, and it's a warning, not an error?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> ah right
[03:13] <seb128> well, the message is pretty clear
[03:13] <seb128> but it's only a warning
[03:13] <seb128> the problem was there before for those applications
[03:13] <seb128> glib was just not displaying a warning about it
[03:13] <Hobbsee> seb128: as in, it's code in each individual app
[03:13] <Hobbsee> ahh, right
[03:14] <seb128> yes
[03:16] <ubotu> New bug: #120567 in alsa-driver (main) "Unable to get microphone working (Dell Dimension 5000)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120567
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120568 in openarena (universe) "openarena crashes by changing sound quality" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120568
[03:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120569 in gramps (universe) "gramps segfaults on load, and dumps" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120569
[03:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120570 in gnome-utils (main) "Gfloppy is not enabled" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120570
[04:05] <DarkMageZ> doko, i've created a myspell-en-ca package if you're interested. http://mirror.randumb.net/darkmagez/canada/ bug #44100
[04:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 44100 in openoffice.org "openoffice.org in feisty lacks canadian english spellcheck" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44100
[04:09] <doko> DarkMageZ: will have a look; please could you file a bug report and subscribe me?
[04:11] <DarkMageZ> doko, a new bug? or attach to the canadian english one? which you are already subscribed to
[04:38] <gnomefreak> bug 120337
[04:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120337 in boinc "boinc fails to be authorized " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120337
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #120573 in gnome-vfs-obexftp (universe) "bluetooth connection lost on forbidden actions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120573
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #120575 in katapult (main) "Katapult is utilizing non-standard SQL which results in SQL errors in PostgreSQL and other standards compiant DBMS'." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120575
[04:51] <dholbach> bug 97392
[04:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 97392 in apache2 "Negotiation broken for apache2-doc" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97392
[04:51] <seb128> dholbach: what about it?
[04:51] <dholbach> somebody mentioned it in a query
[04:51] <dholbach> i wanted to know what it is about too :)
[04:52] <seb128> ah, k
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120576 in Ubuntu "[new package]  myspell-en-ca (canada)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120576
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120579 in totem (main) "Totem fails to play stream smooth" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120579
[05:05] <ubotu> New bug: #120578 in Ubuntu "Some fonts look painfully ugly in OpenOffice.org" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120578
[05:24] <calc> what is the proper way to detach bug 70981 from openoffice.org ?
[05:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 70981 in kdepim "OO attachment won't open in Kmail" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70981
[05:24] <calc> kdelibs deletes the tempfile from under openoffice.org which is why it occurs
[05:24] <calc> so it isn't actually an openoffice bug
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120581 in Ubuntu "[wishlist]  Package sguil" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120581
[05:26] <Hobbsee> calc: reject the openoffic etaks
[05:26] <Hobbsee> er, openoffice task
[05:26] <calc> ok
[05:32] <calc> Hobbsee: moved it from kdepim to kdelibs as well
[05:32] <Hobbsee> calc: great :)
[05:33] <calc> Hobbsee: looks like upstream thinks their bugs are other people's problems though
[05:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:33] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:34] <calc> Hobbsee: they clearly known exactly what causes the problem but want all programs that operate in that way to have a special kde script
[05:34] <calc> lmao
[05:34] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:34] <Hobbsee> it'll probably change for kde4 too
[05:34] <calc> hopefully change for the better
[05:34] <calc> aiui kde4 won't be in ubuntu until gutsy+2?
[05:35] <calc> grr i'm hungry, calc find food, food good ;)
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120585 in music-applet (universe) "Please sync music-applet (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120585
[05:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120586 in texlive-base (main) "epstopdf is vey old" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120586
[05:50] <ubotu> New bug: #120587 in Ubuntu "open dialog does not show "File System" item for root" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120587
[06:11] <ubotu> New bug: #120589 in Ubuntu ""Starting Root Terminal" displayed more than 10 sec after terminal started" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120589
[06:20] <calc> whoa half of the bugs in ubuntu are unconfirmed
[06:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120590 in vmware-player (multiverse) "vmware doesn't install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120590
[06:20] <calc> where are all of them at
[06:21] <calc> there are only ~ 200-250 on ooo
[06:24] <bdmurray> calc: in bug 66864 the original reporter stopped using Ubuntu. should we close it?
[06:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 66864 in openoffice.org "crash from saving Office document" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/66864
[06:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120592 in emacs-snapshot (universe) "emacs-snapshot-gtk crashes using ediff" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120592
[06:26] <calc> bdmurray: suppose so, the original file wasn't included and it is from an old version of ooo as well
[06:27] <calc> bdmurray: and there is no backtrace (afaict)
[06:28] <calc> who was the other person besides carlos that does rosetta imports?
[06:30] <Hobbsee> calc: i've got a suspicion that a lot are on packages we autosync from debian
[06:31] <calc> Hobbsee: ah
[06:32] <Hobbsee> but i dont know
[06:32] <pochu> calc: pitti, afaik.
[06:32] <pochu> and probably danilos.
[06:35] <calc> how long have the bug days been going on?
[06:35] <pochu> The Hug Days?
[06:35] <calc> looks like we just started to make a dent in the past month on the steep increase, so whatever happened recently was a good thing ;)
[06:35] <calc> pochu: yea
[06:36] <calc> ie the unconfirmed chart for 180 days
[06:36] <pochu> They were running before I joined this channel for first time, which was about ~ 6 or 8 months ago, IIRC
[06:36] <calc> oh ok
[06:36] <pochu> but bdmurray or sfllaw will know it :)
[06:37] <calc> well something else must have happened to cause it to work well
[06:37] <calc> maybe that was when apport was turned off? ;)
[06:37] <pochu> hehe :)
[06:38] <calc> probably need to have hug days once a week to resolve the ~ 15K outstanding bugs within a year or so
[06:38] <pochu> It was in April, before Feisty's release
[06:38] <calc> pochu: ok
[06:38] <pochu> calc: or asking the launchpad folks to mass-reject them ;)
[06:38] <calc> appears about 250 bugs were confirmed this week during hug day
[06:39] <calc> so a years worth of hug days could potentially confirm 13K/bugs
[06:39] <calc> pochu: hehe yea
[06:40] <pochu> bdmurray has been doing something similar with bugnumbers :)
[06:40] <bdmurray> Personally, I think weekly is too frequently.
[06:40] <pochu> i.e. closing old 'needs info' bugs without an answer
[06:41] <pochu> bdmurray: twice a month is reasonably though, right?
[06:41] <calc> bdmurray: yea weekly could cause people to get lax and not go to them :\
[06:41] <bdmurray> pochu: I'm working on every 2 weeks and trying to time it with the release cycle
[06:41] <Hobbsee> i havent seen sfllaw in *ages*
[06:41] <pochu> But most of us get to bugs every day... :-)
[06:42] <Hobbsee> there's gotta be some better way of killing the bugs a bit
[06:42] <pochu> Hobbsee: neither have I...
[06:42] <bdmurray> The next one is scheduled for the 27th and then the 5th due to a US holiday
[06:43] <pochu> I'll probably be here for the 5th one :)
[06:44] <Hobbsee> hey BjornT_
[06:45] <calc> that reminds me who do i contact to import german translations for ooo-draw
[06:45] <pochu> calc: is OOo Java?
[06:45] <BjornT__> hi Hobbsee
[06:45] <Hobbsee> BjornT__: a question for you....
[06:45] <calc> pochu: c++ mainly
[06:45] <pochu> calc: I'd say carlos or danilos in #launchpad
[06:45] <calc> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/openoffice.org/+pots/ooo-draw
[06:45] <pochu> calc: ah, ok.
[06:45] <Hobbsee> BjornT__: are you interested, or arre you busy?
[06:46] <Hobbsee> BjornT__: how hard would it be to get a https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs  type of thing implemented for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ ?
[06:47] <BjornT__> Hobbsee: well, i am kind of busy, but i always have time for quick questions :)
[06:47] <Hobbsee> BjornT__: okay, see ^
[06:47] <Hobbsee> BjornT__: i suspect this would be of great help to the bugteams and triaging and such, as it would let us see exactly where these 30K of ubuntu bugs are.
[06:48] <Hobbsee> BjornT__: and it seems like the code partially exists for it, if you've got the packagebugs by teams
[06:48] <BjornT__> Hobbsee: iirc, there's a bug for it. it's kind of hard, since the page will need a slight re-design to cope with the number of packages in ubuntu.
[06:48] <BjornT__> Hobbsee: but it shouldn't be too hard to do
[06:48] <Hobbsee> BjornT__: do it queue style, with a <next> page.  *shrugs*
[06:49] <Hobbsee> BjornT__: any way we could escallate it to be done a bit faster?  :)
[06:50] <BjornT__> Hobbsee: well, how important is it to have such a page? :)
[06:50] <ubotu> New bug: #120594 in evolution (main) "parsing of From lines broken if period in display name" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120594
[06:51] <Hobbsee> BjornT__: from bug triaging?  it's certainly very helpful, with that current kubuntu one.
[06:52] <BjornT__> Hobbsee: i'm going to plan the work for the next two months next week, so i'll see if i can fit it in
[06:52] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: if there is a particular package you are interested in bug numbers can do a query for you
[06:52] <Hobbsee> BjornT__: okay, thanks
[06:52] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: it's more that i want to know overall, and see where the trouble spots are
[06:53] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: i mean, if i knew a troublesome package, then i'd look it up
[06:53] <Hobbsee> but it's very hard at the moment to actually find a package with bugs on it, if i've not heard of it's name somewhere else
[06:53] <Hobbsee> as in, any random package that we sync from debian no dev looks at.  so any bugs there get ignored.  it'd be interesting to have a better way of finding those types of packages, and forwarding them elsewhere
[06:54] <Hobbsee> because the 30K clearly arent hiding only in the packages that we modify
[06:54] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: a while I go I updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/AdoptPackage with packages with 100+ bugs would that be useful?
[06:55] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: automated is good.  wikipages are not automated.
[06:55] <Hobbsee> those are reasonably popular - people know about most of htose
[06:55] <pochu> Hobbsee: I know them. They are OOo, X, and Ubiquity. So please look at them and fix those bugs kthxbye
[06:56] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:56] <ubotu> New bug: #120595 in firefox (main) "A pop-up window informed of a bug with a firefox-bin.1000.crash file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120595
[06:56] <calc> what i think would be cool to see is a descending list of bugs per package for certain types of searches like: overall, imprortance, status, etc
[06:57] <pochu> And looks like kdebase too
[06:57] <calc> pochu: ooo only has ~ 500 bugs total
[06:57] <pochu> calc: as X and Ubiquity more or less :)
[06:57] <calc> pochu: thats ~ 1.7% of the overall total
[06:57] <pochu> calc: ONLY? :)
[06:57] <calc> pochu: well if x and ubiquity are about the same that is only 5% of the bugs there are probably other high bug count packages as well
[06:57] <pochu> Providing there are more than 10000 source packages, IIRC... :)
[06:57] <Hobbsee> calc: that's what i'm thinking.
[06:57] <pochu> kdebase also has ~500 bugs.
[06:58] <calc> pochu: true, but a lot probably don't have bugs, it could be the rest average 3 bugs each, but unlikely
[06:58] <pochu> Firefox is another hug package
[06:58] <Hobbsee> pochu: true that.  i look forward to when dapper EOL's.
[06:58] <Hobbsee> well, i guess it's gutsy+1 EOLing too.
[06:58] <Hobbsee> if that's going with kde3
[06:58] <calc> still it would be nice to be able to see a list like that so people could see what the current high priority to fix packages are
[06:58] <calc> in the event X and OOo bug counts drop
[06:58] <Hobbsee> indeed
[06:59] <calc> or some other package all of sudden starts getting really buggy ;)
[06:59] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:59] <Hobbsee> BjornT__: there you go, yes it's deemed important by others too :)
[06:59] <calc> to a certain extent we will see that via ubotu
[06:59] <calc> if its really hard to do we could do something else as a workaround perhaps
[06:59] <calc> but if not it would definitely be nice to have
[07:00] <pochu> Hobbsee: EOL?
[07:00] <Hobbsee> pochu: end of life
[07:00] <calc> or end of line ;)
[07:00] <pochu> ah, hehe :)
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120596 in firefox (main) "A pop-up window informed of a bug with a firefox-bin.1000.crash file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120596
[07:00] <ccm>  /lastlog Undecided,Unconfirmed
[07:00] <ccm> wups
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #103829 in gnome-panel (main) "Panel icons justified left and not right" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103829
[07:05] <calc> ouch bug per minute
[07:05] <pochu> about 1000 bugs per week.
[07:06] <pochu> If each one on this channel closed 2 bugs per day, the bug count will decrease :)
[07:06] <pochu> s/will/would/
[07:08] <bdmurray> http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/25745/
[07:09] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: what exactly is that?
[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120598 in ksniffer (universe) "Please synce ksniffer (0.3~alpha2-1) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120598
[07:11] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: the number of bugs per package for packages in main
[07:14] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: ah right, so that's main.
[07:14] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: i was thinking there wasnt enough
[07:14] <Hobbsee> interesting :)
[07:14] <calc> lots of really buggy crap ;)
[07:14] <calc> xorg is #6
[07:15] <calc> ubiquity, firefox, update-manager, kdebase, openoffice.org, xorg, nautilus, evolution, network-manager, synaptic
[07:15] <calc> update-manager being in that list is concerning
[07:15] <Hobbsee> that's all the broken updates
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120600 in Ubuntu "gnome doesn't start. " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120600
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120601 in rhythmbox (main) "rithym box" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120601
[07:16] <calc> bdmurray: is there a way to keep that list automatically generated daily in descending order? ;)
[07:16] <calc> bdmurray: or a command line that mere mortals like us can run to get that output ;)
[07:17] <calc> 32 packages with over 100 bugs
[07:17] <calc> 66 with 50 or more
[07:17] <bdmurray> calc: I'll work on doing something better with it in the next couple of days
[07:17] <calc> bdmurray: cool :) thanks
[07:19] <seb128> calc: update-manager tends to get all the upgrade bugs
[07:20] <calc> seb128: oh ok, so it is probably in need of triage, heh
[07:20] <seb128> right
[07:21] <Hobbsee> seb128: what's your take on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/atk1.0/+bug/104724 ?
[07:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 104724 in atk1.0 "GTK apps freezing randomly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[07:23] <seb128> Hobbsee: I've no clue about the a11y bugs
[07:23] <seb128> sorry
[07:23] <Hobbsee> seb128: okay.  i thought you might, as it was GTK
[07:23] <seb128> it's atk
[07:23] <seb128> dholbach does the updates
[07:26] <ubotu> New bug: #2999 in gnome-media "gnome-volume-control segfaults (dup-of: 36214)" [Unknown,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2999
[07:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120603 in hwdb-client (main) "hwdb-kde crashed with UnboundLocalError in get_xorgdata()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120603
[07:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120604 in Ubuntu "random freeze of the computer for 10-30 seconds" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120604
[07:47] <Laibsch> pochu: bzr co http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bughelper-dev/python-launchpad-bugs/main python-launchpad-bugs crashes
[07:48] <pochu> can you pastebin the output?
[07:48] <Laibsch> Sure
[07:49] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: for bugs like aspell-de-alt's one, can you look into it, see if it's sane, and give a way of fixing it?  it loosk like it applies to multiple packages
[07:49] <pochu> Laibsch: hmm, what crashes, the checkout or the program itself? :)
[07:49] <Laibsch> http://paste.stgraber.org/1609
[07:49] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: it'd be useful to keep updating that, and putting it onto p.u.c though
[07:49] <Hobbsee> or wherever
[07:50] <pochu> Laibsch: I think mvo had a similar problem. Can you try with python2.5?
[07:51] <pochu> Laibsch: btw, what command are you running?
[07:52] <pochu> Night Hobbsee
[07:52] <Laibsch> pochu: what command?
[07:52] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: good night
[07:52] <Laibsch> bzr co http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bughelper-dev/python-launchpad-bugs/main python-launchpad-bugs
[07:53] <thekorn> Laibsch: what version of bzr do you use? 'bzr --version'
[07:54] <Laibsch> edgy
[07:54] <Laibsch>  0.11.0
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120606 in gnome-panel (main) "When i use the workspace switcher the top and bottom ber disapear" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120606
[07:56] <thekorn> Laibsch: bzr changed the data format,
[07:56] <thekorn> i think with 0.14
[07:57] <thekorn> so you need atleast bzr 0.14 to commit data to bughelper-data
[07:57] <Laibsch> Well, right now I just want to check out
[07:59] <thekorn> Laibsch: that doesn't work with <0.14, sorry
[08:02] <Laibsch> well, that precludes all edgy and dapper users
[08:02] <Laibsch> not a good idea IMO
[08:02] <Laibsch> excludes
[08:05] <Laibsch> The whole intro for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper/doc/getting-started becomes a joke really
[08:06] <Laibsch> You can just install the package on feisty
[08:06] <Laibsch> And if you are not on feisty you need to upgrade to feisty version of bzr ;-)
[08:06] <Laibsch> just to get the code in another way
[08:07] <Laibsch> Well, the page is too broken.  I can't spend more time on fixing it today.
[08:09] <bdmurray> Laibsch: while you could just install the package on Feisty not every feature of bughelper is available in the package
[08:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120607 in gnome-menus (main) "fuzzy app launchers" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120607
[08:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120608 in Ubuntu "Add /usr/local/lib to ld search path" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120608
[08:51] <ubotu> New bug: #120609 in gparted (main) "gparted 0.2.5 doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120609
[08:51] <ubotu> New bug: #120610 in eclipse (universe) "eclipse-package misses org.eclipse.jdt.apt.core" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120610
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120611 in evolution (main) "in evolution cannot move recursive events" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120611
[09:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120612 in Ubuntu "unable to start udate or synapitc manager could not initialise the package information" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120612
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120614 in udev (main) "udev missing rules for various input devices" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120614
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #120615 in Ubuntu "/proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ folder empty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120615
[10:21] <ubotu> New bug: #120617 in evolution-data-server (main) "Excessive memory use" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120617
[10:21] <Bassetts> if i can reproduce a bug should i mark it confirmed?
[10:23] <bdmurray> Bassetts: most likely what bug number is it?
[10:24] <Bassetts> 107370
[10:24] <bdmurray> bug 107370
[10:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107370 in Ubuntu "Coming back after going into hibernation causes 'Sleep' light to blink in Feisty amd64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107370
[10:24] <Bassetts> althought its not just on amd64
[10:25] <bdmurray> Bassetts: okay, looking now
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120616 in pango1.0 (main) "link error: pango_fc_font_create_metrics_for_context undefined" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120616
[10:25] <bdmurray> Bassetts: would you be willing to add some more information to the bug?
[10:26] <Bassetts> sure, anything that is needed,
[10:26] <Bassetts> im new to all this thought so i am not sure what is needed
[10:26] <Bassetts> *though
[10:30] <bdmurray> Bassetts: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI has some relevant questions
[10:30] <bdmurray> Bassetts: If you need any help let me know
[10:30] <Bassetts> i thought it would be acpi
[10:30] <Bassetts> shall i change the package?
[10:32] <bdmurray> Bassetts: The package should be linux-source-2.6.20 as that is the Feisty kernel
[10:32] <Bassetts> ok
[10:35] <Bassetts> bdmurray, how/where should i paste the lspci
[10:36] <bdmurray> Bassetts: you could do 'lspci -vvnn > lspci.txt'.  this will redirect the output of lspci to the file lspci.txt.  Then add that file as an attachment to the bug report.
[10:37] <bdmurray> Does that help?
[10:37] <Bassetts> yep
[10:37] <bdmurray> The same applies with dmidecode
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120618 in gtk+2.0 (main) "g_hash_table_ref not defined" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120618
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120619 in libcairo (main) "[Gutsy]  invalid resolution detected resulting in BIG fonts on i915" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120619
[10:43] <calc> bdmurray: 74793 look ok to reject? someone asked a question of the user the same day it was filed and they never responded
[10:43] <calc> bdmurray: and that was 6 months go
[10:43] <calc> er ago
[10:43] <bdmurray> bug 74793
[10:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 74793 in openoffice.org "Button blank after document recovery in openoffice" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74793
[10:45] <bdmurray> calc: Do you think there is enough information there though?
[10:47] <calc> i might be able to attempt to reproduce it on i386 but if it doesn't happen for me i would need the user to see if it is still an issue on feisty
[10:47] <bdmurray> There is no Feisty for powerpc afaik
[10:47] <calc> and seeing as he didn't respond to a question the same day he posted that is somewhat doubtful
[10:47] <calc> bdmurray: oh, doh
[10:48] <bdmurray> Or maybe I am looking in the wrong places for it
[10:48] <calc> bdmurray: ok, will look into that and see, thanks for the help
[10:49] <bdmurray> calc: Incidentally I didn't see OpenOffice.org for amd64 at their site.  Is it special somehow?
[10:50] <Bassetts> bdmurray, can i only attact 1 file at a time
[10:50] <bdmurray> Bassetts: yes, I believe so
[10:50] <Bassetts> ok
[10:52] <calc> bdmurray: i don't know for sure whether it is supposed upstream yet
[10:54] <Bassetts> bdmurray, i added all the files
[10:55] <bdmurray> Bassetts: okay, looking again
[10:55] <Bassetts> im updating 84625 also
[11:03] <bdmurray> Bassetts: are you always booting the 2.6.20-16 kernel now?
[11:03] <Bassetts> yes
[11:04] <bdmurray> so you boot up (no blinking), hibernate (no blinking), resume (blinking) correct?
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120621 in gnash (universe) "[gutsy] gnash 0.8.0 will not play youtube, auto codec installation not working, other videos not working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120621
[11:06] <Bassetts> it starts blinking just before the login screen comes up
[11:06] <Bassetts> when everything is resuming
[11:07] <bdmurray> and after it is fully resumed / usable it still blinks right?
[11:07] <Bassetts> yep
[11:07] <Bassetts> until shutdown
[11:07] <Bassetts> if you restart it keeps blinking
[11:08] <Laibsch> pochu: Sorry to keep you waiting.  the output of "bughelper" is at http://rafb.net/p/SyQsXu29.html
[11:08] <bdmurray> that sounds annoying
[11:09] <Bassetts> it is very bdmurray
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120622 in Ubuntu "zydas wireless cards report 100% quality signal" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120622
[11:15] <Bassetts> bdmurray, for bug 84625 i know how to fix it, shall i just mention what needs adding?
[11:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 84625 in hotkey-setup "A few hotkeys not working Lenovo 3000 C200" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84625
[11:15] <bdmurray> Bassetts: okay, thanks for the additonal information
[11:16] <bdmurray> re 84625 that would be great
[11:18] <Bassetts> bdmurray, do you know how the hotkeys-setup .hk files work?
[11:19] <bdmurray> Bassetts: I am afraid not.
[11:19] <Bassetts> ok
[11:20] <bdmurray> You might check in ubuntu-devel
[11:22] <Bassetts> ok
[11:43] <Bassetts> bdmurray, is there a wiki page on how i can help out with bugs
[11:44] <bdmurray> Bassetts: a few actually
[11:45] <bdmurray> Bassetts: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[11:45] <bdmurray> That is a good start.
[11:45] <Bassetts> thanks, i wold like to help out :)
[11:45] <bdmurray> We'd be happy to have your help.  Do you have any specific interests?
[11:47] <Bassetts> erm, my new laptop but i already found the only two bugs for it
[11:47] <Bassetts> other than that, erm, not really
[11:47] <Bassetts> bluetooth, graphics, media
[11:50] <bdmurray> That's cool.  A good way to start off is by helping bugs find a home.
[11:50] <bdmurray> like bug 120622
[11:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120622 in Ubuntu "zydas wireless cards report 100% quality signal" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120622
[11:50] <Bassetts> so even if i cant reproduce something or dont have the same hardware i can help the bug out?
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #120625 in Ubuntu "The curson position is lost on OpenOffice writer when switching applications" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120625
[11:51] <bdmurray> Absolutely, not every bug has enough information in it for a developer to successfully work on it.
[11:51] <Bassetts> ok
[11:51] <bdmurray> And that bug in particular does not have a package associated with it so is unlikely to get looked at.
[11:52] <bdmurray> See how in Affects it just says Ubuntu?
[11:52] <Bassetts> yep
[11:55] <x0qa> upgraded to gutsy g. and the gdm background color has changed. "system>admininistration>login window"'s settings don't change anything. has anyone run into this problem?
[11:56] <x0qa> is there a default settings file somewhere i could edit?
[11:57] <bdmurray> x0qa: that bug sounds familiar
[11:57] <x0qa> i was unable to find it.
[11:57] <Bassetts> bdmurray, i dont suppose you know how i can find which key has the hex code given in keyboard shortcuts
[11:57] <x0qa> but it seems so obvious, i didn't want to report on the site.
[11:58] <bdmurray> Bassetts: try showkey
[11:58] <bdmurray> in a terminal
[11:59] <x0qa> /etc/gdm/gdm.conf maybe? is looking into the matter :)
[12:00] <Bassetts> bdmurray, how do i use it?
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120626 in python-pqueue (main) "PQueue segfaults in Python2.5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120626
[12:00] <Bassetts> i keep forgetting about man
[12:01] <bdmurray> It has been a while you might actually have to use it in a vty because otherwise X will grab the key
[12:02] <x0qa> yep, the setting is in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf, seems sys>admin.>login window doesn't change that setting
[12:02] <Bassetts> it works just it scrolls too fast to see the output
[12:03] <bdmurray> Bassetts: give me a sec
[12:03] <Bassetts> ok
[12:04] <Bassetts> the hex is 0xed


[01:41] <N-S[X1]> Hello. I'm experiencing random lock-ups of my Xubuntu 9.04. Where should I start looking for answers?
[01:41] <N-S[X1]> They can go on for several minutes and then suddenly un-freezes and the system acts normal again.
[02:30] <anom01y> no luck with the plymouth / nvidia issue and 10.04 ?
[02:41] <ochosi_> anom01y, what do you mean?
[02:42] <anom01y> well like 1000 people are in Ubuntu complainaing about blank screens, failed bootups and other problems.
[02:42] <ochosi_> i don't have any problems
[02:42] <anom01y> apparently its from Plymouth (part of Ubuntu), and Nvidia
[02:42] <anom01y> well I sure did
[02:42] <ochosi_> using the proprietary nvidia driver and plymouth
[02:42] <anom01y> couldn't install it after 3 days of trying
[02:42] <anom01y> hmm
[02:42] <anom01y> yeah well it should just work, I know.  But it didn't
[02:42] <ochosi_> at first i used nouveau, but not having power management on a laptop makes it pretty useles imo
[02:43] <ochosi_> can't say it just worked
[02:43] <ochosi_> had to install the kernel headers
[02:43] <ochosi_> somehow the dependencies of nvidia-current weren't all too great
[02:44] <ochosi_> but with a tiny grub hack you can even get plymouth and flicker-free boot with nvidia's drivers
[02:44] <ochosi_> anyways, the problem is that the proprietary nvidia driver doesn't support kms (kernel mode setting) which is needed for plymouth
[02:44] <ochosi_> so ubuntu introduced a fallback option for that
[02:45] <ochosi_> and that's working pretty ok if you ask me
[03:02] <nicholast> hello
[04:20] <ramenfan123> if my laptop had a problem with the ubuntu 10.04 kernel (intel graphics card problem), would xubuntu have the same problem?
[04:35] <robertzaccour> how do i set my wireless to connect at startup?
[04:40] <robertzaccour> how do i set my wireless to connect at startup?
[04:56] <_pg_> i downloaded xubuntu 9.10 for PPC iso but its 757 mb! how can i burn this on a cd?
[04:57] <_pg_> anyone?
[05:02] <_pg_> anyone?
[05:03] <robertzaccour> how do i set my wireless to connect at startup?
[05:05] <ramenfan123> _pg_ make a bootalbe usb drive
[05:09] <robertzaccour> _pg_, try a dvd
[05:09] <robertzaccour> ubuntu is still developed for ppc?
[05:09] <robertzaccour> i thought ppc was a dead arch
[05:09] <ramenfan123> xubuntu still supports it
[05:10] <robertzaccour> oh ok
[05:10] <ramenfan123> i think...
[05:10] <robertzaccour> but why ppc?
[05:10] <ramenfan123> _pg_ have you had a look at debian?
[05:11] <robertzaccour> CentOS and YellowDog are PPC
[05:11] <robertzaccour> and slackintosh is ppc
[05:12] <Besogon> Can nybody help me with samba?
[05:12] <Besogon> I can't share my homedir
[05:12] <Besogon> for guest account
[05:13] <robertzaccour> Besogon, is it for a business? just curious
[05:14] <robertzaccour> i'm a one computer kinda guy. always works out for me
[05:14] <robertzaccour> actually using my new netbook right now, works great :)
[05:15] <aigoo> Does anyone have suggestions for a good pdf viewer?
[05:15] <xubuntu215> hi
[05:15] <xubuntu215> hola
[05:16] <Besogon> aigoo, go to adobe site
[05:18] <Besogon> robertzaccour, You said you were one computer kind of guy. But all the same. Home dirrectory should be visible for my netbook for guest acount because the netbook  has SHARE sequrity
[05:24] <aigoo> What should I download to make the mouse work in cli?
[05:28] <ramenfan123> aigoo you dont need to dl anything to use a mouse in cli...
[05:28] <Besogon> what is cli?
[05:29] <ramenfan123> command line interface
[05:30] <Besogon> I did it. there should be nstalled a package... I can't remember now what exactly
[05:30] <robertzaccour> i prefer gui for almost everything
[05:31] <Besogon> yes. but when you hove no X on your server mouse is usefull too.
[05:33] <robertzaccour> Besogon, what happened?
[05:34] <aigoo> I've installed gpm and it works now.
[05:34] <Besogon> What are you interested about?
[05:35] <Besogon> robertzaccour,
[05:36] <Besogon> OK. In my samba file I have string: guest account = nobody
[05:37] <Besogon> and at the [homes] section :guest ok = yes
[05:37] <Besogon> "net rpc user" told me that "nobody" account exists
[05:38] <Besogon> then I'm trying to connect to my [homes]
[05:39] <Besogon> smbclient //roma-desktop/homes
[05:39] <Besogon> And get: "Anonymous login successful"
[05:40] <Besogon> but "tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME" after this
[05:40] <robertzaccour> Besogon, sounds complicated
[05:42] <Besogon> yes.
[06:16] <_pg_>  I need help installing ubuntu on a ppc g3 iMac. I downloaded ppc xubuntu but it won't fit on a cd. And I cant get any intel macs to boot to it to install via target disk mode.
[06:18] <Sysi> !ppc
[06:18] <Sysi> mmh, was there irc channel..
[06:18] <moetunes> ther's #ubuntu-ppc iirc
[06:19] <moetunes> it's #ubuntu-powerpc
[06:20] <Sysi> i've heard there isn't very much ppc users/devs anymore
[06:20] <moetunes> _heh - he left straight after asking
[06:20] <moetunes> 15 ppl on that channel
[06:59] <homebrewcider> hi all, just upgraded from xubuntu 9.10 to 10.04, now thunar is acting weird. it won't let me select a file, say a jpg
[07:03] <moetunes> homebrewcider: you can open dirs?
[07:04] <homebrewcider> from the tree on the left, yes
[07:05] <moetunes> but not in the larger are on the right?
[07:05] <moetunes> s/are/area
[07:05] <homebrewcider> correct
[07:06] <moetunes> in terminal does   ls -l   show that you own all files in your home dir?
[07:07] <moetunes> there's been a couple of ppl mention this issue
[07:13] <homebrewcider> I assume so, it has mal mal ....with me being Mal
[07:15] <homebrewcider> should i uninstal thunar?
[07:15] <homebrewcider> and try again
[07:18] <moetunes> might be better to close thunar and remove its' config as a first go
[07:18] <moetunes> ~/.config/xfce4/thunar   iirc
[07:19] <moetunes> homebrewcider: do it from terminal
[07:26] <homebrewcider> says no such directory
[07:28] <moetunes> homebrewcider: it might be .config/thunar - use the tab button in terminal
[07:29] <homebrewcider> there's a .config/Thunar directory
[07:30] <homebrewcider> now it's working
[07:30] <homebrewcider> without me really doing anything
[07:30] <homebrewcider> did I wake it up?
[07:35] <moetunes> who knows? :]
[07:39] <homebrewcider> now it's not working again
[07:39] <homebrewcider> aarrgghh
[07:45] <moetunes> I wonder if it is having issues due to hd errors...
[07:50] <homebrewcider> i have a .config/thunar filw but waht file am I looking for in there?
[07:51] <moetunes> homebrewcider: if you delete the folder it will remake all relevant files
[07:52] <homebrewcider> delete the whole .config/Thunar folder?
[07:52] <moetunes> I would
[07:52] <homebrewcider> ok
[07:52] <moetunes> to start from scratch with it
[07:53] <moetunes> homebrewcider: do it while thunar isn't running
[07:54] <homebrewcider> yes
[07:58] <homebrewcider> no, no difference
[07:59] <moetunes> homebrewcider: if you do   sudo thunar   in terminal does it then work?
[07:59] <homebrewcider> same problem if I do that
[08:00] <homebrewcider> one thing I noticed though
[08:00] <homebrewcider> it remade the thnar folder and I opened the file in it using krusader
[08:00] <homebrewcider> the file isthunarrc
[08:00] <homebrewcider> thunarrc
[08:00] <moetunes> yep - it is where your settings are saved
[08:01] <homebrewcider> first line says DefaultView=void
[08:01] <homebrewcider> ?
[08:02] <moetunes> says the same here so that's not it
[08:02] <homebrewcider> ok
[08:03] <moetunes> you could   sudo apt-get remove --purge thunar   then reinstall it
[08:04] <homebrewcider> yeah, might do that
[08:04] <homebrewcider> cheers
[08:04] <moetunes> apart from that I don't know what else to suggest
[08:04] <homebrewcider> thanks for your help
[08:04] <moetunes> np helping a fellow aussie :]
[08:04] <homebrewcider> oi oi oi
[08:04] <homebrewcider> where are you?
[08:05] <moetunes> brisbane
[08:05] <homebrewcider> cool
[08:05] <homebrewcider> cheers
[08:05] <moetunes> yourself?
[08:06] <homebrewcider> adelaide
[08:06] <moetunes> :]
[09:29] <evanthia_> hi
[09:29] <evanthia_> after upgrading to lucid, thunar doesnt show my sd card on my Asus eee 901
[09:29] <evanthia_> is there some missing software?
[09:30] <evanthia_> in dmesg the card gets detected
[09:35] <evanthia_> running thunar as root I see the sd card
[09:35] <evanthia_> what gives?
[09:36] <_Techie_> is it mounted with read access for regular users?
[09:55] <MaxFrames> hello
[09:56] <MaxFrames> ok, so I have a problem since I've upgraded to 10.04 and no one's been able to help me yet
[09:57] <MaxFrames> 1 time out of 3 approximately, when I shut down the system the screen goes black, the cursor stops blinking and two of the keyboard leds start flashing (caps lock and scroll lock)
[09:57] <MaxFrames> and the PC freezes so that I have to shut it down pressing the power button
[09:58] <MaxFrames> this never happened with 9.10 and I have no clue as to what the led flashing means and how to solve this
[10:17] <TheSheep> it means kernel panic
[10:19] <_Techie_> i find it funny that your getting  akernel panic on shutdown
[10:32] <MaxFrames> it's not that funny actually... expecially because I have no idea why it is happening, I did nothing but upgrading to 10
[10:33] <MaxFrames> anyway, are you sure it means kernel panic? shouldn't all three leds blink? in my case the num lock led is not blinking
[10:39] <MaxFrames> oh and another thing... this is admittedly non-important... the splash xubuntu logo in 10.04 is butt ugly... surely it can't be meant to be that way... must be a resolution problem... in my case it' all jagged and in false colors like it was a 65k colors image viewed in 16 colors
[11:02] <subspider> hello
[11:02] <subspider> :D
[11:03] <subspider> Sysi, how are you man ??
[11:04] <Sysi> fast visit
[11:14] <ramenfan123> if my laptop had a problem with the ubuntu 10.04 kernel (intel graphics card problem), would xubuntu have the same problem?
[11:16] <Sysi> yes
[11:30] <MaxFrames> er... no one can help me then? (see above)
[12:42] <frnknstn> Who do I send flowers to over the decision to swap to xscreensaver?
[13:08] <killrog> hello all... I am real new to this linux/Xubuntu thing and am having problems with my res
[13:08] <killrog> I seem to have only 256 colors
[13:09] <killrog> on  an ATI rage 128 VR
[13:10] <killrog> hello? any1 out there
[13:11] <psycho_oreos> you'll need legacy ati driver
[13:11] <killrog> ok, I think I have that
[13:12] <psycho_oreos> hm
[13:12] <psycho_oreos> !ati
[13:13] <killrog> I think I got the driver, I did a get-app for ati driver
[13:13] <psycho_oreos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[13:13] <ocs> hi. I can't hear audio on 10.04. In the previous installation (9.10) it worked... what could I do?
[13:14] <_Techie_> ocs, check your outputs arent muted
[13:16] <killrog> srry to be such a noob, but I did the first thing it said to do on that help page and got nothing
[13:16] <killrog> what does that mean
[13:17] <killrog> I cut my teeth on DOS but linux blows my mind\
[13:20] <ocs>  <ocs> hi. I can't hear audio on 10.04. In the previous installation (9.10) it worked... what could I do?
[13:20] <ocs> alsamixer is ok
[13:21] <opm595> howdy all
[13:23] <opm595> Looking for the eqivalent of gnomeppp for Xfce. Trying to crank a Hauwei K3520 USB Modem via Vodafone. Or should I keep away from the GUI's and stick with wvdial?
[13:25] <psycho_oreos> killrog, which driver did you get?
[13:25] <psycho_oreos> opm595, I use network manager (albeit I'm with 3) for that
[13:26] <opm595> Yep, everyone seems to be saying the same thing. Three seems to be much more Nix happy for some reason. Hmmm
[13:28] <psycho_oreos> well I have huawei E1803, I'm sure network manager should work with it, can't see why not
[13:28] <psycho_oreos> and no, their support on nix is shoddy, I managed to figure out some myself
[13:29] <psycho_oreos> there's another tool which I don't think depends on gnome but possibly Qt called umtsmon (albeit that doesn't have fields to input pin)
[13:29] <opm595> Ok, might be worth a try
[13:29] <psycho_oreos> on the other hand 3's user-less and password-less configuration doesn't work well with wvdial
[13:30] <psycho_oreos> what's wrong with network manager anyway
[13:32] <opm595> Right. bottom line is I've had heaps of headaches connecting Vfone via any Nix distro that's been released in the last 12 months. (x)Ubuntu 8.10 I found was brillaint just setup the packages from Betavine + Net Manager and bingo  - online in 5 mins
[13:33] <psycho_oreos> ahh I haven't bothered connecting my huawei dongle directly to my nix recently, initially I purchased their (3's) router, needless to say that it was complete garbage
[13:34] <psycho_oreos> s/nix\ recently/nix\ until\ recently/
[13:39] <opm595> Aah, just call a friend of mine who works for Three. Said he'd bring around a handful of USB modems/cards and see what works etc.
[13:39] <opm595> I'll report back what happens
[13:45] <opm595> Crickey! It's pumkin hour! I'm off to count Penguins  :) Seeya's
[13:45] <opm595> qhit
[17:01] <AUX129> i installed skype on a fresh xubuntu 10.04 installation, and i cannot seem to get my mic working. how do i configure pulseaudio to detect my microphone?
[17:22] <TheSheep> !skype
[18:01] <_pg_> hello, I am trying to put Xubuntu on a g3 ppc imac and I have issues, I downloaded the cd but it is like 722 mb and wont fit on a cd. So i downloaded the alternate (xubuntu 9.10 ppc alternate) and burned it to a cd and now i cant boot to that either. any ideas?
[18:02] <TheSheep> !ppc
[18:29] <xubuntu013> alguien habla español??
[18:32] <_pg_> !es
[18:32] <_pg_> pero hoblo un poco
[18:32] <_pg_> \
[18:48] <lilleman> Yo! My eth0 is missing when I start. It works fine on the liveCD, and I can start it manually by adding it to /etc/network/interfaces and then do /etc/init.d/networking restart
[18:49] <lilleman> But I cant get the network manager to work :/ And I need the network at boot, since I have NFS shares in my fstab
[18:50] <arthurjohnson> lilleman: Your trying to run it via network manager?
[18:50] <lilleman> arthurjohnson: Network in network manager is disabled... and enabling it has no effect
[18:50] <lilleman> tried to add a wired network there to, didnt work
[18:51] <arthurjohnson> lilleman: Check to see if auto eth0 is set, and that its commented out in interfaces
[18:51] <arthurjohnson> lilleman: like this:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/427796/
[18:51] <arthurjohnson> lilleman: Network Manager won't work if there is an "iface" line
[18:52] <lilleman> Okies. First out there was only the loopback in my /etc/network/interfaces... then it didnt work (it worked when I first installed, and even after reboot yesterday.)
[18:52] <lilleman> So I added "auto eth0"
[18:52] <lilleman> didnt work
[18:53] <arthurjohnson> lilleman: Did you restart?
[18:53] <lilleman> erh... hm.... *thinking*
[18:53] <lilleman> :)
[18:53] <lilleman> *trying*
[18:53] <arthurjohnson> lilleman: I would reboot the computer
[18:53] <arthurjohnson> lilleman: That way your sure
[18:55] <lilleman> awsum
[18:55] <lilleman> so
[18:55] <lilleman> now it works
[18:55] <lilleman> when I added "auto eth0"
[18:55] <arthurjohnson> giggity!
[18:55] <lilleman> :)
[18:55] <lilleman> But, why did it shut down in the firstplace?
[18:55] <arthurjohnson> yeah, the auto line needs to be in there.  Otherwise network manager won't look at the interface.
[18:55] <lilleman> I shouldnt need to to that after a fresh install, would I?
[18:56] <arthurjohnson> lilleman: Sometimes.  Did you use desktop or alternate?
[18:56] <lilleman> desktop
[18:56] <xubuntu983> hniii
[18:56] <arthurjohnson> lilleman: Odd.  Might have found a bug ;)
[18:56] <lilleman> :)
[18:56] <xubuntu983> xubuntu 10.04 installation is really sweet
[18:56] <arthurjohnson> If I do a ubunbu minimal install then add xfce4 or xubuntu-desktop from the command line, it doesn't always show up.
[18:57] <lilleman> Hm... just a thought, I run ubuntu 9.10 on my "normal" computer, and it only has the loopback in /etc/network/interfaces
[18:58] <xubuntu983> anybody running vdr on xubuntu 10.04?
[18:58] <lilleman> arthurjohnson: hm... Alrighty. I could see if I can reproduce... but not today. I want to watch a movie on my new xubuntu HTPC :D
[18:58] <lilleman> tyvm for the help!
[18:58] <arthurjohnson> lilleman: You are most welcome.
[18:59] <xubuntu983> lilleman: what are you using for your htpc? xbmc?
[19:35] <_pg_> any g3 users?
[19:42] <moetunes> _pg_: there is #ubuntu-powerpc for that mate :]
[19:42] <_pg_> im in there too ;) thnx
[19:42] <moetunes> np
[20:11] <S0210> I upgraded from 9.10 to 10.4 but my Thunar is screwed up. Sometimes it stops accepting left mouse clicks. Is there a way to debug what's going on? :-(
[20:12] <charlie-tca> switch it back to icon view or use compact view instead of detailed view
[20:13] <charlie-tca> see https://launchpad.net/bugs/520118
[20:13] <S0210> ?! It works. Ctrl-1 Ctrl-2 solved it...
[20:14] <S0210> ah.. and already reported. Great! Thank you!
[20:14] <charlie-tca> yes. You are welcome
[20:20] <_pg_> can xfce use compiz? or does it come with something comprable?
[20:21] <Sysi> xfce has own copositing
[20:21] <Sysi> in window manager tweaks
[20:21] <Sysi> *compositing
[20:21] <Sysi> but it also works with compiz
[20:28] <_pg_> Sysi: cool thanks!
[20:29] <_pg_> Sysi: is there anything like E's panels in xfce?
[20:29] <Sysi> E?
[20:29] <_pg_> Sysi: Enlightenment?
[20:30] <Sysi> idk, never used that
[20:30] <Sysi> docks work with compositing on
[20:30] <Sysi> !dock
[20:30] <Sysi> no..
[20:33] <_pg_> gotta run, thanks for the nfo
[20:42] <S0210> Where is menu.xml?
[20:43] <S0210> I found it. :-]
[20:44] <S0210> No, it's not the one. :-[
[21:22] <ircipimp> hi
[21:23] <ircipimp> what is the preferred way to install xubuntu with encrypted lvm? Until karmic i used to start the live cd and perform a manual encryption and partitioning. then i ran the installer on top of it. I've read in the technical notes and one bug report, that encrypted lvm+swap has issues. So: Can i use the livecd for this? or the alternate installer?
[21:23] <ircipimp> thanks for any help
[21:24] <ircipimp> also i'd like to perform raid configuration
[21:25] <charlie-tca> I don't think it makes any difference how you do it, lvm + swap + raid is going to be a fail
[21:27] <ircipimp> ok. will it work without swap?
[21:27] <ircipimp> i probably have enough ram anyways
[21:32] <ircipimp> can the live cd do an encrypted lvm install at all?
[21:53] <arthurjohnson> Anybody else here using Chrome on 10.04?
[22:00] <lostson> arthurjohnson: im using chromium
[22:02] <arthurjohnson> Hm. Google Chrome Beta is acting flakey on one of my xubuntu machines.  Won't load tabs sometimes, while the same tabs in firefox on the same machine load fine.
[22:07] <lostson> arthurjohnson: so far mine has been solid i use the daily builds
[22:11] <server_side> can i install from a usb pen drive?
[22:15] <TheSheep> !usb
[23:03] <S0210> I've just installed firetray add-on in my Thunderbird 3.04 (under Xubuntu 10.04) but starting Thunderbird gives "Segmentation fault". Can I manually delete/remove this extension?
[23:05] <S0210> I found it :-]
[23:11] <haavaros> I'm trying to start a live USB session on a comp that usually runs ubuntu. I'm just now looking at a blinking screen, and the process has stopped at "Starting init crypto disks [OK]". I've checked the USB for error, none found. Is there a way I can install xubuntu in another way? e.g. alternate iso, and then installing the desktop environment?