[01:14] <gnewsensical> i'm the f33tingtime fellow :-)
[01:14] <gnewsensical> fl33tingtime*. typos typos
[01:15] <gnewsensical> and here is the work so far: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37158/
[01:15] <gnewsensical> ping
[01:16] <gnewsensical> beuno, jenda: anyone looking...?
[01:17] <gnewsensical> hello.....
[01:19] <gnewsensical> ping
[01:19] <gnewsensical> ping ping ping
[01:22] <gnewsensical> off to bed.


[00:59] <ToMaK> http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tomakramza/allenwall.jpg  <<--wallpaper that i made
[01:02] <desrt> ToMaK; !!
[01:03] <desrt> default hardy background image!!
[01:03] <_MMA_> cl34rly!!!!!
[01:03] <desrt> clearly!
[01:03] <Toma-> at least it would promote user theming
[01:04] <ToMaK> ?
[02:11] <_MMA_> Anybody know what font this is? http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/logos/community.pdf
[06:21] <mgunes> kwwii, ping
[06:22] <kwwii> mgunes: awake for another minute or so, how can I help?
[06:23] <mgunes> you may want to post a clarification to some people speculating about your involvement in kde and the hardy redesign here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=665874
[06:24] <mgunes> and/or just a note explaining the exact reason of the postponing first hand. or if you want me to, I can do so on your behalf
[06:25] <kwwii> let me read through that thread, one second
[06:26] <mgunes> ok. fyi, it's me who started it
[06:29] <kwwii> oh man, people can go off on anything :p
[06:30] <kwwii> the decision to make the LTS the last in the cycle has nothing to do with anything other than the fact that companies will use this and we need to have something which is well tested, etc.
[06:30] <kwwii> and it was not my decision anyway
[06:31] <mgunes> I know, but it's hard to get that across to people
[06:31] <kwwii> yepp, that is why I stay away from the forum
[06:32] <kwwii> I could spend all day every day defending myself to people who have little understanding of the situation
[06:32] <kwwii> the point is to get on a long term schedule and change things over time
[06:32] <kwwii> not make quick drastic decisions every 6 months
[06:32] <kwwii> we need a long term plan which is well thought out
[06:33] <kwwii> the way we are doing things now offers us a chance to really change things for the better over a longer period of time
[06:33] <mgunes> makes sense, but perhaps people are disappointed due to the announcements after UDS that a new theme is on the way
[06:33] <kwwii> see, the thing is, there were no announcements made on my part
[06:34] <mgunes> it's mostly the digg + ars technica effect I guess
[06:34] <kwwii> people read too much into comments made by people who have no idea what they are saying
[06:35] <mgunes> but the specs surely stated that a new theme is aimed at for hardy, right?
[06:35] <kwwii> I'll post a reply, but I doubt it will make real difference...when people want to rant they will ignore things anyway
[06:35] <kwwii> at that time the specs were only in the drafting stage
[06:35] <kwwii> they were just my idea for the future
[06:36] <kwwii> and we changed that as soon as we new the real plan
[06:36] <mgunes> did sabdfl make the call?
[06:37] <kwwii> he and others made the decision that this LTS is the last of a cycle, yes
[06:37] <kwwii> which really does make sense
[06:37] <kwwii> using kde4 as an example you will see that we started working on that 3 years ago
[06:38] <mgunes> true, makes every kind of sense
[06:38] <mgunes> perhaps it's just that people are too wound up for a change
[06:38] <kwwii> if you do not have a long term plan you will never be able to create a stable long-term base for a well planned change and really get what you want out fo things
[06:38] <mgunes> case in point, the amount of views the thread has had in one week is enormous
[06:38] <kwwii> perhaps it is just that people like to rant ;-)
[06:39] <mgunes> it's had more than twice the number of views my "contribute to hardy" thread has had in three months, which says something :)
[06:39] <kwwii> hehe
[06:39] <kwwii> I am used to the forums being this way
[06:39] <kwwii> it is like art-pirates or something
[06:40] <mgunes> me too; I'm actually burned out and will probably quit following it sometime soon
[06:40] <kwwii> aarrrgh! me wants a new theme!
[06:40] <kwwii> I'll post a response but I seriously doubt it will change anything
[06:41] <mgunes> I thought you clarifying that there's no relation between your kde involvement, which people seem to find strange for some reason, has nothing to do with the decision would be good
[06:41] <kwwii> yeah, I can at least clear that up
[06:41] <mgunes> other than that, it's not really possible to change people's mind and/or engage in a healthy debate
[06:42] <kwwii> I honestly do not think that the forum is the right place for serious discussion about this stuff
[06:43] <kwwii> all the people who are really interested and working on the artwork post mails to the mailing list or ask directly on irc
[06:43] <mgunes> I agree, but the "problem" is that most people use the forum as a one-stop shop for everything
[06:43] <mgunes> anyway, bedtime for me
[06:44] <mgunes> thanks for your time
[06:44] <kwwii> thanks for pointing that out
[06:44] <kwwii> sleep well
[06:44] <kwwii> I am actually sick and not even working :p
[06:44] <mgunes> oh, get well soon. see you :)
[06:45] <kwwii> see you
[09:01] <lapo> hi
[09:45] <troy_s> _MMA_: CL34RLY!
[09:51] <troy_s> _MMA_: And if I were to wage money, I would say that the font you are looking for is "Adobe Garamond Regular"
[09:51] <troy_s> _MMA_: But don't quote me ;)
[09:55] <troy_s> _MMA_: aka "InsertProprietaryNameHere Garamond"
[09:55] <troy_s> _MMA_: Akin to "Apple Garamond" during the "Think Different" campaigns.
[09:55] <troy_s> _MMA_: Which is further rounded out by the attempted Apple-esque mimicry.
[13:49] <_MMA_> Anyone ever resize a .svg in Inkscape and the image resizes as well?
[15:30] <kwwii> re
[15:31] <kwwii> so, for anyone wanted to read a long stupid rant:
[15:31] <kwwii> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4158330
[15:32] <_MMA_> No thanx. I've stopped looking. Its not the same forum I joined with Warty and through Edgy.
[15:35] <_MMA_> hehe http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9852603-1.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=Crave
[15:55] <kwwii> lol
[15:56] <kwwii> reading through that art thread I realize how useless it is to actually post on the forums
[15:57] <lapo> kwwii: forums are a waste of time
[15:57] <kwwii> lapo: yepp, totally
[15:58] <lapo> even wrost then mls
[15:59] <kwwii> :p
[22:13] <lapo> hi
[22:55]  * kwwii is off for the night, be back tomorrow afternoon, latest
[22:57] <_MMA_> bye


[08:10] <Takyoji>  Had a reasonable idea
[08:10] <Takyoji>  make video tutorials for basic computer applications (GNOME, OpenOffice, The GIMP) and so on; then give it a very passive license
[08:10] <Takyoji>  and that would help with open source promotion further
[08:18] <Takyoji> There's only things that are short, and don't completely cover all details of an app (just interesting non-commonly known things) in typical video tutorials
[22:21] <johnc4510> The newest issue of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is available:
[22:21] <johnc4510> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue148


[09:45] <cjwatson> (shouldn't take too long)
[10:02] <seb128> launchpad is down?
[10:03] <wgrant> See the topic
[10:03] <seb128> topic says it's read only but it just returns 503 errors for me (bzr push failing as well)
[10:03] <seb128> wgrant, read-only != erroring, the topic doesn't reflect what I'm seeing :p
[10:03] <seb128> ah, back
[10:03] <wgrant> Read-only makes pushes fail because they are writes
[10:03] <wgrant> It was totally down briefly as the switch occurred
[10:04] <seb128> right, well loading https://launchpad.net/ was returning as 503
[10:04] <seb128> seems back now
[10:04] <seb128> thx
[15:35] <tintou> cjwatson: Hi! just to remind you that https://code.launchpad.net/~tintou/git-build-recipe/+git/git-build-recipe-1/+merge/351699 is ready for review :)
[15:56] <cjwatson> Good point; looking
[16:14] <cjwatson> tintou: Nice work; just some things to fix up before merging
[16:14] <cjwatson> I've left review comments
[16:14] <cjwatson> Sorry for taking so long on this
[16:18] <cjwatson> Actually there's another much more difficult problem too.  Thinking about the details and writing it up as a comment ...
[16:38] <cjwatson> done
[20:42] <karstensrage> how is launchpad related to debian
[20:44] <karstensrage> it seems trivial to put something in launchpad and use the ppa's
[20:44] <karstensrage> but its hard to find sponsors for packages into debian
[22:11] <cjwatson> karstensrage: Launchpad maintains an import of source packages in Debian, and obviously Ubuntu is based on Debian so there are various associations arising from that, but it's otherwise unrelated
[22:11] <cjwatson> Certainly not at the social level you're looking for
[23:49] <karstensrage> cjwatson, well i notice you are debian mentor or w/e they call it
[23:50] <karstensrage> i was wondering what criteria are used, is it like the app store or just that the packaging is correct
[23:53] <cjwatson> I'm a Debian developer, but have very little time for sponsorship these days
[23:54] <cjwatson> It's not like an app store.  It depends a bit on the sponsor, but generally they'll be focusing on technical correctness of packaging, good compliance with Debian's policies, etc.


[00:54] <brainwash> bluesabre: bug 1398619 might affect gtk-greeter and xfce4-indicator-plugin
[00:58] <brainwash> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/xfce4-indicator-plugin/vivid/view/head:/debian/patches/01_upstart-init.patch
[00:59] <brainwash> ali1234: ^
[00:59] <brainwash> I guess we should add our packages to the lp report, or?
[01:06] <Unit193> Just call `upstart` (/sbin/upstart)
[01:10] <brainwash> sure, that's the solution
[01:10] <Unit193> For now.
[01:10] <bluesabre> yeah, go ahead and add them
[01:11] <brainwash> ok
[01:11] <bluesabre> subscribed myself to the bug
[01:16] <Unit193> bluesabre: http://paste.openstack.org/show/XJNXGBgvoZc0AUdYiEG2 diff for easy reading, dsc is in /source/
[01:17] <bluesabre> made sense until "dsc is in /source/"
[01:18] <Unit193> Too lazy to type https://sigma.unit193.net/source/inxi_2.2.16-0ubuntu1.dsc
[01:19] <bluesabre> danke
[01:21] <Unit193> Bitte schön.
[01:33] <Unit193> bluesabre: http://paste.openstack.org/show/mO9KSCpRfq6wwaVRzgee/ and https://sigma.unit193.net/source/xfce4-indicator-plugin_2.3.2-0ubuntu3.dsc
[01:34]  * bluesabre gives Unit193 a cookie
[01:35] <Unit193> Hopefully that's what you want. :D
[01:35] <Unit193> And cookies. :D
[02:08] <Unit193> Anything else to look into tonight?
[02:22] <bluesabre> not to my knowledge. doing a spot check on menulibre for trusty then uploading it and going to bed
[02:52] <brainwash> bluesabre: want to apply the patch from bug 1211933 ? it's a very simple patch and now is the right time to test it
[02:53] <brainwash> before we get closer to 16.04 :)
[02:57] <brainwash> Unit193: do you agree that the patch is harmless? ^
[02:57] <Unit193> Heey, I was staying out of that just fine and dandy. :(
[03:00] <brainwash> can no one review this patch? :D
[03:01] <Unit193> I am actually looking into it though. :P
[03:01] <Unit193> Of course, I defer to Sean.
[03:04] <brainwash> thanks
[03:12] <Unit193> Right, so I'm in full agreement with that bug, we should not be doing that where it is and we should in fact do it after prereqs.
[03:13] <Unit193> bluesabre: Please commit that patch.
[03:16] <brainwash> great!
[03:16] <brainwash> Unit193: oh, yet another systemd 217 upload
[03:17] <Unit193> brainwash: Yep, there sure was.  Can you also mark that as affecting  ubuntustudio-live  ?
[03:19] <brainwash> does it affect ubuntu studio?
[03:20] <Unit193> That'd be why I asked, yep.
[03:21] <Unit193> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntustudio-live/vivid/view/head:/livedvd/ubiquity/target-config/48ubuntustudio_maybe_ubiquity
[03:21] <brainwash> ah
[03:22] <brainwash> just found it also
[03:22] <Unit193> Mythbuntu is fine.
[03:24] <brainwash> I tend to forget about ubuntu studio, but we actually share many bugs :)
[03:27] <Unit193> I tend to forget about Mythbuntu more, or the fact it uses Xfce at the very least.
[03:48] <skellat> unit193, bluesabre: Are we going to have to introduce a "Conflicts" or "Breaks" in packaging for either xubuntu-meta or xubuntu-default-settings to ensure we don't have things like systemd-sysv let alone anything else from The War co-installed with systemd in the end this cycle?
[03:49] <Unit193> Erm, we should not be conflicting with systemd-sysv, that'd be joining "the war" and playing very poorly.
[03:55] <skellat> Unit193: The thread over on ubuntu-devel where people were bringing up Devuan had a few folks noting that choice of init hasn't really been part of Ubuntu or its flavors.  I'm just wondering if it is a social decision we need to fall in line with in terms of what we support or not at this point.
[03:58] <Unit193> We already have to go and fix things because of Unity and GNOME, there's no why trying to choose what init system we use and differing from the rest of the core systems would make any sense whatsoever, it'd just add a lot more work that we don't have the manpower for.  There's also the indicators breaking every release, the wayland/mir/xorg thing, and who knows what else.  It would make about as
[03:58] <Unit193> much sense as trying to support sysvinit, and adding init scripts to every package missing them and supporting it for the next n releases.
[03:59] <Unit193> The indicator and user session should be about the only thing that will matter, and I haven't heard anything abuot changing user sessions yet.
[03:59] <Unit193> (Indicators is heavily related to user sessions for that matter.)
[04:02] <skellat> This is why I'm asking after reading that bug traffic relative to indicators and systemd-sysv
[04:03] <skellat> More explanation is better than just staring at the driveway pondering how to best salt it to fend off ice build up
[04:03]  * skellat has been getting pelted with hail and freezing rain today
[10:15] <brainwash> skellat: people who care about which init system is being used most likely don't use ubuntu anyway :)
[10:17] <Luyin> why does anybody care about the init system 'most used'? I'd rather care about which is fulfilling my requirements best.
[10:20] <brainwash> used, most likely
[10:21] <brainwash> we just make sure that things don't break and if they do, we'll fix them
[10:22] <Luyin> oh, my mistake, brainwash. I thought 'likely' belonged to 'don't … anyway', which doesn't make much sense now I come to think of it
[19:36] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, mrpouit: Do we still need the 01_fix-48-migration.patch in notes-plugin? It's our only diff
[21:40] <Cykik> locked myself out of root; any tips?
[21:40] <knome> Cykik, first, you shouldn't have a root account, second, the support channel is #xubuntu
[21:41] <Cykik> hi knome.


[00:10] <hggdh> kirkland: there?
[00:38] <ScottK> cloakable: That's almost certainly not true.
[00:40] <cloakable> ScottK: Well, for the purposes of the ioncube loader.
[00:40] <ScottK> It wouldn't suprise me if it was all Free software, but all GPL is highly unlikely.
[00:41] <cloakable> possibly
[00:42] <cloakable> Tine 2.0, WordPress, Dokuwiki, RoundCube, Status.net :)
[00:51] <lukehasnoname> Why aren't server tasks (such as mail server, lamp server, VM host, etc.) documented more thoroughly? I assume those are the "easier" aka more preferred methods of service installation, yet the Server Guide shows traditional apt-getting packages.
[00:51] <lukehasnoname> Am I missing something?
[01:01] <jpds> lukehasnoname: Maybe you want tasksel?
[01:02]  * jpds is fine with traditional apt-get.
[01:10] <lukehasnoname> let me clarify my question to make sure it's valid: When using tasksel vs grabbing all the packages manually, are the configurations of the services different? Would tasksel provide options or configurations not offered by std installation?
[01:23] <pmatulis> lukehasnoname: no
[01:36] <lukehasnoname> pmatulis, I guess it's not as much of an issue, then. Still, I see little mention of tasksel in the server guide, which surprises me, given how useful it can be (esp to intro admins)
[01:38] <pmatulis> lukehasnoname: if tasksel can be applied to topics in the server guide then, yes, i agree with you.
[01:43] <pmatulis> lukehasnoname: feel free to file a bug [1] or get involved [2]
[01:43] <pmatulis> [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+filebug
[01:43] <pmatulis> [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation
[01:44] <lukehasnoname> Sounds good.
[02:17] <jeeves__> what would be the best soulition to build a WiFi hotsopt access server?
[03:11] <JackTO> anyone here have any experience with ioncube loaders?
[04:59] <lukehasnoname> I just watched Toy Story for the first time
[04:59] <lukehasnoname> Another reason to like Debian
[05:06] <scar> lukehasnoname, how so?
[05:13] <lukehasnoname`> scar, It was a fun movie and I think it's cool the Debian releases are named after characters in a movie
[05:59] <oren> i want to run nginx on boot (lucid). i am reading here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBootupHowto that 'Ubuntu is transitioning away from the sysv init system'.  what do u guys think?
[06:01] <oren> and if the answer is: use init script i have another question - will this script run on lucid? (it was tested on karmic) -http://code.google.com/p/nginx-init-ubuntu/
[06:11] <ScottK> oren: The last Ubuntu release to actually use sysv was Dapper (4 years ago).  Since then it's all been emulated by upstart.
[06:12] <lukehasnoname`> oren, I believe you can still use your sysv init script. But if you want to be really cool you'll learn upstart scripts
[06:13] <JanC> except upstart scripts maight look completely different in 10.10 or later, but yeah  ;)
[06:14] <lukehasnoname`> JanC, augh
[06:17] <lukehasnoname`> Now that Mako and Kyle Rankin are rich from the Ubuntu Server Book, having it open sourced and quasi-open for edit online would be incredibly useful
[06:18] <lukehasnoname`> That book is so very awesome
[06:21] <oren> ScottK: lukehasnoname` i never used those scripts before. can i simply take the nginx script (my link) , make it executable and locate it inside init.d, and run: sudo update-rc.d myscript defaults 98 02 ?
[06:22] <oren> (that's the instruction i see on ubuntu docs)
[06:22] <oren> and what is this book you guys are talking about?
[06:23] <lukehasnoname`> oren, The Official Ubuntu Server Book
[06:23] <lukehasnoname`> written by two Ubuntu/Linux guys
[06:24] <lukehasnoname`> It's not terribly useful for writing init or upstart scripts (mostly because Upstart's API changes daily, it seems) but it has good instructions for a lot of common tools and services in Ubuntu
[06:26] <oren> lukehasnoname`: so my steps above are accurate? and where can i get this book?
[06:28] <lukehasnoname``> effing IRC boots me all the time and I get these backup names... anywho oren it looks right, judging from the man page for update-rc.d
[06:28] <lukehasnoname``> never used it myself
[06:30] <oren> ok. i'll try it. thanks
[06:38] <JanC> oren: docs for writing upstart scripts for karmic & lucid can be found in init(5)
[06:38] <ccheney> Daviey, testing the kernels now, i think it broke between 2.6.32 and 2.6.33
[06:39] <oren> JanC: do u mean /etc/rc5.d
[06:39] <oren> i appologize for my ignorance..not sure what init(5) means
[06:40] <oren> i know there are run levels where each folder has scripts that are executed.
[06:40] <oren> rc0.d, rc1.d etc
[06:41] <jmarsden> init(5) means the man page for init in section 5 of the manual pages.  So do   man 5 init   to read it.
[06:41] <kaushal> hi
[06:41] <kaushal> can some one please help me about this post https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2010-June/004345.html ?
[06:44] <JanC> oren: what jmarsden says, or http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/en/man5/init.5.html if you want to read it online (that site has all Ubuntu manpages)
[06:47] <oren> JanC: jmarsden awesome
[06:47] <jmarsden> JanC: You're welcome
[06:53] <oren> is this the ubuntu server book you guys praised? http://www.amazon.com/Official-Ubuntu-Server-Book/dp/0137021186  if not, what is the best server book i should buy?
[06:53] <oren> only 7 reviews but they all liked it
[06:53] <ccheney> Daviey, headed to bed now, it appears to be 2.6.33 that broke the image registration
[06:54] <ccheney> Daviey, so my original idea was right but i am not sure how i came up with it originally, after more testing it seems reliable that it is 2.6.33 though
[06:55] <ccheney> Daviey, there aren't any 2.6.33 rc builds on the ppa so that is as narrow as i can make it
[06:55]  * ccheney bbl
[08:13] <daishadar> what's the best solution for automatic mounting/unmounting of usb drives for ubuntu server?
[08:14] <jpds> daishadar: mount/umount ?
[08:15] <daishadar> jpds:  um, how do you make those automatic?  like when i plug in a usb device i want it to be mounted
[08:28] <alonswartz> daishadar: this is what you are looking for: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/usbmount
[08:28] <alonswartz> oops - s/intrepid/lucid/
[08:29] <daishadar> funnily enough i'm still running an intrepid server... thanks, that looks like what i need
[08:30] <alonswartz> daishadar: just install via apt-get. what it does is add some rules to udev, to trigger the mount when the usb devices are plugged in
[08:45] <oren> alonswartz: nice!
[09:52] <_ruben> joy .. seems i made an error in my /etc/network/interfaces file .. now it wont come up after reboot, not even in recovery mode
[09:54] <_ruben> kinda wierd it complains about the start/stop of lo and eth0 though, didnt alter those
[10:03] <_ruben> ah .. bug #512253
[10:29] <Zorge> apache+mod-rewrites fun.  Where a simple rewrite "test" should be RewriteRule ^/$ redirected.php.   Only that gives "You don't have permission to access / on this server." Removing the caret seems to fix this, but everything I can find online says nothing about excluding carets.  Nice way to start :X
[11:22] <sanderj_> Eucalyptus is an open source cloud platform which is compatible in frontend with Amazon EC2 API, but implements a totally different design structure in backend.
[11:23] <sanderj_> What is the diffrence on backend and frontend api?
[11:23] <sanderj_> http://cloudy.liangz.info/2009/11/provisioning-on-existing-cloud.html <-- written here.
[11:26] <_ruben> frontend: the looks of a car .. backend: the engine (for example) inside
[11:26] <_ruben> you can change the engine and still be able to drive the car
[11:26] <_ruben> when done properly that is
[11:26] <sanderj_> Can you give me some examples of the backend api?
[11:28] <sanderj_> Is there any backend api at all?
[11:29] <sanderj_> Or is the only the backend design structure diffrent?
[11:29] <sanderj_> -the
[11:40] <_ruben> sanderj_: in this case the backend entails the software+hardware used .. euc is an opensource suite, whereas ec2 is most likely (mostly) closed source (never used it, so dont know the details)
[11:42] <sanderj_> _ruben, so the api for tracking how much resources each customer is using in euc is done trough a frontend ec2 compatible api?
[12:58] <trapmax> any experience using confluence + webdav?
[13:28] <cybrocop> UEC QUESTION: What should the VNET_BRIDGE value be on a NC in MANAGED mode?
[13:28] <cybrocop> Does it still need to be br0 in MANAGED mode?
[13:47] <sommer> morning :-)
[13:48] <Danawar> Sommer: Morning!
[14:15] <hggdh> kirkland: ping
[14:15] <kirkland> hggdh: morning!
[14:16] <hggdh> kirkland: good morning, sir
[14:17] <hggdh> kirkland: we have a new (tentative) patch for the public IP issue on UEC from Greg
[14:17] <hggdh> kirkland: I am not sure how to work on the bzr to set it up
[14:20] <kirkland> hggdh: awesome
[14:20] <kirkland> hggdh: would you like me to show you how?
[14:20] <kirkland> hggdh: i'm in a meeting at the moment
[14:21] <hggdh> kirkland: I would love to know how to do it, it would free you...
[14:21] <hggdh> kirkland: and I can wait if needed, right now in Lexington
[14:22] <kirkland> hggdh: good point, yeah
[14:22] <kirkland> hggdh: okay, i'll put it into a PPA
[14:23] <kirkland> hggdh: and send an email explaining how i did that
[14:23] <kirkland> hggdh: and just poke me if you need more
[14:24] <hggdh> kirkland: ack, and thanks
[14:25] <zul> lamont: what do you think of bug #596363
[14:27] <lamont> zul: I think meh.
[14:27] <lamont> but yeah, it prolly does
[14:27] <lamont> not worthy of an SRU, might be worthy of throwing into a point release for lucid, definitely worth doing for maverick
[14:32] <ccheney> hggdh, which public ip issue is that? (/me wonders if it what he saw before)
[14:35] <ccheney> kirkland, ^ ?
[14:42]  * ccheney brb
[14:42] <kobrien_> guys, problem: I just installed PAE kernel and my X server is broken. Please advise
[14:43] <kobrien> I assume the pae kernel doesn't support my graphics card
[14:46] <smoser> ok, embarrassing question
[14:46] <smoser> 'not worthy of an SRU, might be worthy of throwing into a point release for lucid, definitely worth doing for maverick'
[14:47] <smoser> i didn't realize there was any distinction between point release and SRU. i thought that point releases just picked up state of the archive, and to get into that you had to follow SRU
[14:47] <tgalal> I'm doing a pxe installation using kickstart. I'm placing a custom sudoers file for the installing machines. WHY THE HELL DOES UBUNTU ALTER MY SUDOERS FILE ?! lol  it adds "$admin ALL=(ALL) ALL" which I don't want ..
[14:47] <smoser> lamont, zul is that incorrect ?
[14:48] <zul> smoser: yes thats correct
[14:49] <smoser> tgalal, well, it does that because thats how you become root in ubuntu. i wonder when are you placing the custom sudoers file (ie, in post?)
[14:49] <tgalal> smoser, yes in post
[14:49] <tgalal> smoser, any advice?
[14:49] <lamont> smoser: inclusion in a point release might well require an SRU
[14:49] <lamont> smoser: I've pretty much avoided figuring such things out
[14:50] <smoser> tgalal, no, i've no advice. i guess that some things just happen after 'post' .
[14:52] <tgalal> smoser, I'm trying to have sudo on my machine passwordless out of the box. That's why I place my custom sudoers file in post. The problem with that line is that makes all users of group admin can gain root priviledges but WITH a password. Is their a workaround that you're aware of ?
[14:52] <smoser> well, definitely you can modify that to your liking
[14:52] <mathiaz_> kirkland: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/06/introducing-google-command-line-tool.html
[14:52] <smoser> but i don't know about through kickstart
[14:53] <tgalal> hmm ok thanks
[14:57]  * ccheney back
[15:18] <tgalal> so kickstart has " rootpw --disabled" for passwordless sudo.. but it's not working, advices?
[16:11] <Mrcheesenips> With Ubuntu Server, how would I put files onto the server?
[16:11] <Mrcheesenips> Would I mostly control everything with a remote computer?
[16:17] <Mateo_> Hi everyone !
[16:23] <Danawar> Mrcheesenips: it is 100% up to you!
[16:24] <Danawar> Mrcheesenips: I myself use a remote computer to connect to the server and do things using FTP/SSH
[16:24] <Mrcheesenips> oh'
[16:24] <Mrcheesenips> I see :D
[16:24] <Danawar> Mrcheesenips: What are you thinking of using the server for?
[16:24] <Mrcheesenips> A Garry's Mod Server
[16:25] <Mrcheesenips> Are you familiar with that game?
[16:25] <Danawar> Mrcheesenips: You will want to install an SSH client and do everything through that.
[16:25] <Danawar> Mrcheesenips: I believe you are following a guide of some sort to do that?
[16:25] <Mrcheesenips> Yeah
[16:26] <Danawar> Mrcheesenips: Would it be possible to see the guide you are going to follow?
[16:27] <Mrcheesenips> Its actually included in the readme with the tool
[16:27] <Mrcheesenips> I don't think its on the web
[16:27] <Danawar> Ok, what tool are you using?
[16:27] <Mrcheesenips> Its the Half Life Update Tool
[16:28] <Mrcheesenips> To download and install the Garry's Mod content from Valve's servers
[16:28] <Mrcheesenips> to run the server
[16:28] <Mrcheesenips> Then I have to run the server program itself
[16:28] <Mrcheesenips> And there is a Linux Client supported
[16:29] <Danawar> Mrcheesenips: Ok I understand, that's great!
[16:29] <Mrcheesenips> yus :D
[16:29] <Mrcheesenips> I understand the basics of Ubuntu Server now
[16:29] <Mrcheesenips> thank ya
[16:29] <Danawar> Mrcheesenips: I was just thinking instead of trying to move the update tool from machine to machine it would be quicker to download off the internet and execute.
[16:29] <Mrcheesenips> ya
[16:29] <Mrcheesenips> I was thinking the same thing
[16:30] <zul> ScottK: ping fyi im going to update dovecot to the new release if debian hasnt done it yet
[16:31] <ScottK> zul: OK.  I think I have the changes for renaming postfix-dovecot here.
[16:31] <zul> ScottK: can you push them to a bzr branch or give me a debdiff?
[16:34] <ScottK> zul: Yes.  I just found them ....
[16:35] <ScottK> zul: Untested, but I think complete: http://pastebin.com/tdvTjR6P
[16:37] <zul> ScottK: thanks
[16:37] <ScottK> zul: No problem.  Thanks for asking and taking it into your merge.
[16:41] <Mateo_> Anyone that is used to work with webmin please ? i would like to add the first domain name to my server, bind9 is installed, webmin too, but i don't know where to start
[16:41] <guntbert> !webmin | Mateo_
[16:42] <Mateo_> !ebox
[16:43] <guntbert> Mateo_: I'm not happy with ebox - but be warned about webmin
[16:43] <Mateo_> guntbert: why not happy ?
[16:45] <guntbert> Mateo_: it doesn't use the system config files (as webmin does) but runs it's own config -- which I don't like - but I don't use webmin either except for very limited tasks
[16:45] <Mateo_> ok guntbert
[16:46] <Mateo_> guntbert: so i'm going to install it and then i will try to setup my domain name
[16:48] <guntbert> Mateo_: your call :-)
[16:49] <bogeyd6> Mateo_, webmin is gonna break your junk
[16:49] <bogeyd6> !webmin
[16:52] <Mateo_> isntall is in progress
[16:53] <irvy> what tool should i use for managing partitions from the command line?
[16:54] <guntbert> irvy: fdisk ?
[16:55] <irvy> thx
[16:55] <irvy> is there anything that would give a slightly more guided user experience
[16:55] <guntbert> irvy: there is cfdisk too - a little nicer
[16:55] <irvy> like the editor in the installer
[16:55] <irvy> sweet, thanks
[16:57] <irvy> now, i wonder what this random 2155mb fat32 partition that came pre-loaded on this server is..
[16:57] <bogeyd6> irvy,  a restore partition?
[16:57] <Mateo_> guntbert: did you installed the 1.5 release of ebox ?
[16:57] <irvy> i feel as though i should wipe it
[16:58] <irvy> there was no os loaded
[16:58] <irvy> there's an 83mb utility partition
[16:58] <irvy> followed by 2155mb bootable fat32
[16:58] <irvy> hm
[16:58] <irvy> it's dell if that makes a difference heh
[16:58] <guntbert> Mateo_: I really don't remember, I installed ebox once and removed it almost immediately again - just not my type I guess :-)
[16:59] <ccheney> jjohansen, hi!
[16:59] <ccheney> jjohansen, i need some more kernels from you :)
[16:59] <jjohansen> ccheney: oh, what do you need
[16:59] <guntbert> irvy: dell servers come with a "service partition" (or so)  it is useful for support issues
[17:00] <irvy> ahh perhaps i'll refrain from wiping it just yet then
[17:00] <irvy> what would you guys recommend for a filesystem on a raid5 array of 3x 1tb drives
[17:00] <ccheney> jjohansen, bug 588861, i need kernels between 2.6.32 and 2.6.33 if possible to help narrow down which one broke eucalyptus image registration
[17:00] <irvy> i want a single partition for data
[17:00] <ccheney> jjohansen, 2.6.32 and 2.6.32-15.5 seem to work fine, but 2.6.33 does not, and there didn't seem to be any 2.6.33-rc's on the ppa
[17:01] <hallyn> Daviey: just curious, do you have any concept of what woudl be a *good* time for a 'virsh save'?  I'm getting 50-60 seconds to produce what becomes a 100M image
[17:02] <jjohansen> ccheney: give me a sec
[17:03] <ccheney> jjohansen, ok
[17:05] <jjohansen> ccheney: okay, I if you give me a bit I will build you some kernels
[17:05] <ccheney> jjohansen, thanks! :)
[17:09] <jjohansen> ccheney, Daviey: have either of you tested a .35 kernel for this bug?
[17:09] <ccheney> i didn't test 35 stock but i did try 2.6.35-4-server
[17:09] <ccheney> i can test out 35 stock if you would like should only take about 15m to run my script
[17:10] <jjohansen> ccheney: or a maverick .35
[17:10] <dominicdinada> blah how to mount an external driver remotly ?
[17:11] <dominicdinada> normally i am logged in on the machine and it automounts but i had to reboot. now my external drives are not accessable
[17:11] <ccheney> jjohansen, the v2.6.35-rc3-maverick? the one in the archive '2.6.35-4-server' had the issue
[17:12] <jjohansen> ccheney: ah right, I was just looking at the set listed at the end
[17:12] <jjohansen> ccheney: don't bother then
[17:12] <ccheney> jjohansen, ok
[17:18] <maek> Is preseed like kickstart? how would I do automated/handsfree ubuntu server installs over the network?
[17:20] <eagles0513875> hey guys i have a vps, and i want to know if i setup a primary dns server could i then use open dns as a 2ndary and tertiary dns servers if the primary fails
[17:24] <hallyn> Ng: hey, do you have an automated testcase to verify bug 588293 ?
[17:24] <hallyn> suppose maybe the ltp aio testcases in a guest might push it faster
[17:26] <hallyn> just leaving fedora in a guest does not appear to suffice...
[17:27] <Ng> hallyn: I just fire up 4 VMs (on a quadcore 8GB box) and run spew (exactly, I leave "spew -g --raw --statistics -t -v 5G foo" running in screen)
[17:28] <Ng> hallyn: the 4VMs appear to be sufficient to saturate the IO of the host, and 4*2GB VM will leak sufficiently large to be OOM killed within 8 hours
[17:28] <hallyn> Ng: i see, i missed that part - so you have to push the host in order to do this
[17:29] <axisys> how do I install ubuntu jeos ? just hit f4 to pick minimal ubuntu virtual machine and then select install ubuntu server ?
[17:29] <Ng> hallyn: I don't think the level of IO I'm doing is triggering the leak, given the comments in the bug about people having to deal with leaks every few days/weeks, I just happened to have found a way to provoke it very quickly ;)
[17:29] <hallyn> Ng: thanks!  I'll give that a shot
[17:29] <hallyn> (will leave my laptop unusable of course :)
[17:29] <axisys> or just get the vmware ubuntu 10.04 jeos appliance ?
[17:30] <Ng> hallyn: I suspect it would still be obvious with one VM doing as much IO as it can. The difference is quite dramatic - I either come back after 8 hours to find 4 almost exactly 2GB VIRT kvm processes, or horror and destruction ;)
[17:31] <dominicdinada> blah how to mount an external driver remotly ?
[17:31] <dominicdinada> normally i am logged in on the machine and it automounts but i had to reboot. now my external drives are not accessable
[17:45] <eagles0513875> hey guys about name servers. if i have a primary name server (bind9) can i use opendns as 2ndary and tertiary fall over name servers just incase
[18:03] <seanjohn> I just finished installing server edition; I selected the 3 options dns, openssh, and virtual machine host. it rebooted and booted but turned the screen off
[18:03] <seanjohn> evga 680i, radeon x1600
[18:03] <seanjohn> RAID 5
[18:04] <seanjohn> can someone help me just install a standard vga driver, BLIND
[18:04] <panfist> is there any documentation regarding lucid lynx server and request-tracker3.8 ?
[18:06] <seanjohn> what is the /etc/init.d/ filename of the openssh server?
[18:06] <seanjohn> If I get it started, I see where it was leased the ip .233
[18:08] <Hypnoz> after I rsync a file onto one of my nfs shares, trying to access it with apache gives me "Stale NFS file handle: access to /download/Sparkle.xml failed"
[18:08] <Hypnoz> so I cd into the directory, and do an "ls"
[18:08] <Hypnoz> and that fixes it
[18:08] <guntbert> seanjohn: /etc/init.d/ssh
[18:18] <seanjohn> i'm blind here :) I just installed ubuntu server, detected everything on my nvidia 680i and core 2 quad, but, after install was complete and rebooted, it booted up BUT the screen turned off. Can someone give me instructions on what exactly to type to get openssh server going? I selected openssh, dns, and virtualization host as the packages.
[18:18] <seanjohn> If i try to connected to the ip leased to it, it says "connection refused" so, it IS booted up
[18:19] <seanjohn> the screen won't turn on whatsoever
[18:19] <seanjohn> tried every key on the keyboard
[18:34] <Krazyderek> anyone good with samba shares for windows?
[18:34] <goldins> Hi,  I installed UEC and as far as I can tell neither the CC nor the NC is starting. When I try to start them and it only seems to start the apache components. It seems that there should be java components but I can't figure out what is supposed to start them
[18:35] <Egonis> I'm interested in giving Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud a spin.. and was wondering if it's possible to run Windows Server as a virtual image?
[18:37] <goldins> Egonis: it is, but I think it would be really complicated to have them automagically join an AD
[18:38] <zul> mathiaz: ping
[18:39] <Egonis> goldins: Essentially, I need the Windows Server only to run Blackberry Enterprise Server, and Pervasive.SQL for a weird windows application. So is 'AD' (which I presume you mean Active Directory) necessary in that configuration?
[18:43] <seanjohn> it sucks, especially that the entire distro is probably on the cd of 700 mb, that ubuntu doesn't ask what services should start at runtime, static ip config, and etc. so that YOU DONT NEED A SCREEN AFTER THE INSTALL.
[18:44] <seanjohn> this is a server edition; I feel sorry for rack-mount usage
[18:45] <jmarsden> seanjohn: Install the openssh-server package to get an SSH server...
[18:45] <seanjohn> that was part of the selection
[18:45] <seanjohn> of packages
[18:45] <Psi-Jack> seanjohn: Setup one host, and image it for multiple usages. Real simple./
[18:45] <jmarsden> Then it should be there and be started automatically at boot.
[18:45] <seanjohn> "connection refused" on attempt to connect
[18:46] <seanjohn> it doesn't use vga for command-line only? it seems to try to use opengl for a COMMAND LINE
[18:46] <seanjohn> only explaination of why it would't support all gpu's
[18:46] <Psi-Jack> Umm.
[18:46] <Psi-Jack> You mean the console?
[18:46] <seanjohn> yeah
[18:46] <Psi-Jack> It uses fbcons.
[18:46] <Psi-Jack> Not opengl.
[18:46] <seanjohn> hey psi-jack
[18:47] <seanjohn> well, the install went great BUT on reboot, after booting, it turns off the monitor
[18:47] <Psi-Jack> Anyway. I had an actual question and not a not-pit to do. ;)
[18:47] <Psi-Jack> I want to disable network-manager from starting at boot, but update-rc.d doesn't seem to be allowing me to disable it.
[18:47] <jmarsden> seanjohn: If you really need highly customized installations, you can do preseeding, see the Server Guide https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/installation-guide/i386/appendix-preseed.html
[18:48] <seanjohn> "customized installations" it setup raid 5 easier than it did just a standard graphics adapter
[18:48] <seanjohn> the raid 5 works cause its booting
[18:48] <seanjohn> I can blindly login and type shutdown -r now and it will restart
[18:49] <seanjohn> i tried doing sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[18:49] <seanjohn> i tried doing /etc/init.d/iptables stop
[18:50] <seanjohn> grrr, i feel like going for gentoo
[18:50] <JanC> you should be able to boot without the framebuffer console AFAIK
[18:51] <seanjohn> JanC: is that for me?
[18:51] <seanjohn> the post of the MB goes so fast, it doesn't present a flash screen for ubuntu before booting
[18:52] <JanC> keep left shift pressed down during boot to get into grub...
[18:53] <JanC> and if openssh is installed, it should run and work
[18:53] <JanC> don't forget you can't login as root though
[18:54] <goldins> Egonis: sorry, I think that explicitly is not something you want to use the cloud for: the BES and these other applications would be much better to run in a straight KVM without all the cloudy stuff
[18:55] <Egonis> goldins: Is there a moron's guide to Cloud Computing? I obviously don't have my head wrapped around it
[18:55] <Psi-Jack> Anyway. ;)
[18:55] <Psi-Jack> As for upstart jobs, is there like any tool that truely works to manage those?
[18:56] <RoyK> Egonis: see the ubuntu server guide for a start
[18:56] <Egonis> RoyK: Yes.. :P I suppose I need it dumbed down further
[18:56] <RoyK> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/uec.html
[18:56] <goldins> Egonis: I'm not sure, the idea is for clustering I'm pretty sure; if you for example want to be able to launch 20 nodes that are running the same job with different parameters, that's the kind of thing you want to have a cloud around for
[18:57] <Egonis> so for instance, a web application is what a cloud environment would be best for?
[18:57] <goldins> no...
[18:57] <Egonis> if so, does the language matter? I write Mono.ASP apps
[18:57] <goldins> a math application
[18:57] <Egonis> wow... I'm so far off then. :P
[18:57] <RoyK> Egonis: cloud computing is just virtualisation gone large
[18:57] <Egonis> so matlab types of scenarios?
[18:57] <RoyK> Egonis: anything, really
[18:58] <RoyK> Egonis: personally, I wouldn't use virtualisation for number crunching
[18:58] <Psi-Jack> How about documentation that details out how to work with scripts in /etc/init.d?   I'm basically just trying to disable network-manager from starting at boot-time, along with a couple others that update-rc.d isn't working on.
[18:58] <RoyK> Egonis: we have a few bunch-of-cores machines doing that sort of thing
[18:58] <Egonis> RoyK: Okay... I'm looking to aggregate my existing set of servers... I was hoping this would be an easy solution for expansion of VM's. My mistake. Thank you for clarifying
[18:59] <RoyK> Psi-Jack: /etc/init.d/skeleton is a good start
[18:59] <Psi-Jack> RoyK: Not making them. Disabling or enabling them at boot.
[18:59] <RoyK> oh
[18:59] <Psi-Jack> As I said, update-rc.d isn't working on network-manager, for starters.
[18:59] <RoyK> with 10.04 a few things changed there - I don't remember the details on how to disable the ones not in /etc/rc2.d
[19:00] <RoyK> Egonis: I think it could simplify things a bit - what sort of virtualisation are you using?
[19:00] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. And little to no documentation to be found, either, which is 1 of my 2 biggest gripes about ubuntu present-date. ;)
[19:00] <Psi-Jack> upstart == incomplete, and grub2 ;)
[19:01] <Egonis> RoyK: At the moment, VirtualBox for client application testing.. but we have separated physical servers at the moment. A mix and match of Windows Server 2003, SBS 2003, Server 2008, and Linux
[19:01] <Jordan_U> Psi-Jack: What problem are you having with grub2?
[19:01] <RoyK> Psi-Jack: heh - we still stay at 8.04 for now on most of our servers :)
[19:02] <Egonis> RoyK: Looking to do some house cleaning
[19:02] <RoyK> Egonis: kvm is quite good
[19:02] <RoyK> Egonis: vbox isn't really a server tool
[19:02] <Egonis> RoyK: I will check it out, thank you. Yes, vBox has been used only for at-hand testing.. not for server instances
[19:03] <Psi-Jack> Jordan_U: It's alpha. :p
[19:03] <RoyK> I used vbox for server instances on opensolaris for some time - it hung the host after some time - switched to ubuntu/kvm and problem solved
[19:04] <RoyK> there are some bugs with ubuntu+kvm too, especially with high network load between host and guest, but it hasn't hit me too hard
[19:04] <Psi-Jack> Jordan_U: And the way Ubuntu sets it up is painfully minimal. Like, for example. how do you get to the command prompt of grub when you absolutely need to? ;)
[19:04] <Jordan_U> Psi-Jack: Hold shift to get the menu, press 'c' to get to the grub shell.
[19:04] <Psi-Jack> RoyK: I had another bug on that myself, where it wasn't adding vnet# to the bridge device.
[19:04] <RoyK> Jordan_U: press escape
[19:05] <Psi-Jack> RoyK: So, my firewall was rejecting everything from my kvm guests. ;)
[19:05] <RoyK> Psi-Jack: ufw?
[19:05] <Psi-Jack> Not to mention it wasn't in the bridge, so no network capability.
[19:05] <Psi-Jack> RoyK: Heck no. shorewall.
[19:06] <RoyK> Psi-Jack: there are ways to configure ufw to allow the guests - don't know about shorewall
[19:06] <Psi-Jack> RoyK: I just manually brctl addif vnet0 br0, and it started working perfectly thereafter.
[19:06] <Psi-Jack> heh
[19:07]  * ccheney bbl lunch
[19:07] <Psi-Jack> So, still nobody knows how to stop network-manager from starting at boot-time when it doesn't use /etc/rc2.d/ etc?
[19:08] <Psi-Jack> I'm guessing it has something to do with /etc/init/*.conf, for example /etc/init/network-manager.conf
[19:14] <Psi-Jack> Ahh.. I'm seeing now.
[19:15] <Psi-Jack> Basically I have to edit the "start on" part of /etc/init/network-manager, but .. To what?
[19:34]  * ccheney back
[19:39] <SpamapS> smoser: around?
[19:39] <smoser> here
[19:41] <SpamapS> smoser: is ec2-describe-images with an AMI ID going to be super slow?
[19:43] <smoser> define super
[19:44] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/453040/
[19:44] <smoser> SpamapS, its mostly a cpu bound operation
[19:47] <SpamapS> smoser: its a once-per-run operation, and only if people choose "auto" instance type, so I won't worry about running it.
[19:49] <smoser> SpamapS, yeah, it does suck. when using euca-describe-images its much faster (~ .5 seconds)
[19:49] <hggdh> kirkland: can you talk? I want to discuss one thing with you
[19:49] <smoser> the time still stinks though.
[19:49] <smoser> i really only see 2 good ways to avoid it
[19:50] <smoser> a.) user specifies the type
[19:50] <smoser> b.) we cache the describe-images information for a given ami-id.
[19:51] <smoser> the issue with the caching is that right now, we are completely "region un-aware"
[19:52] <smoser> while possibly very unlikely it is possible that if we cached "ami-12345678 is amd64" and didn't attach the qualifier "on us-east-1 EC2 region" then we could have a collision and have wrong data
[19:52] <smoser> SpamapS, ^
[19:52] <smoser> i guess there is also
[19:52] <coder7> Hey folks, I've got some UEC questions...
[19:53] <coder7> I recently set up a simple cloud with a CC and one NC
[19:53] <coder7> but the defaults seem to prevent me from keeping anything across reboots
[19:53] <SpamapS> smoser: yeah unless we know about the env vars we can't do much caching really.
[19:53] <smoser> c.) only do 'auto' if specified as 'auto'.  otherwise, pass nothing (which will result in i386 on ec2).  this makes the default 'run' case faster... sort of. but it makes it more difficult to run.
[19:54] <coder7> if I shut down an instance, it is impossible to restart it, and if I reboot the NC, everything is wiped clean
[19:54] <smoser> SpamapS, i would consider peeking at EC2_URL on this.
[19:54] <smoser> shoot, but euca2ools doesn't necissarily have it set.
[19:54] <smoser> yeah, we'd have to deal with knowing the ocnfiguration
[19:54] <coder7> anyone know of any solutions?
[19:54] <smoser> and keeping it in line with those tools.
[19:55] <SpamapS> smoser: you have to look at the args and the env var.. this is where I start thinking API calls instead of exec... ;)
[19:55] <smoser> SpamapS, args and environment aren't enough
[19:55] <smoser> you'd also have to search ~/.eucarc
[19:55] <smoser> and parse that
[19:55] <smoser> so its one more thing
[19:56] <smoser> SpamapS, the reason i didn't want to do API calls is that the closest thing we have to "standard configuration" is having one of those sets of tools configured to work
[19:57] <smoser> i wou'dnt be opposed to creating "yet another ocnfiguratoin format"
[19:57] <smoser> but it seems like overkill for this
[19:58] <Krazyderek> anyone know of a slick bandwidth monitor that will tie into webmin nicely?
[19:59] <guntbert> !webmin | Krazyderek
[19:59] <coder7> It just seems really crazy to me to have a cloud with no ability for persistence...
[19:59] <Krazyderek> oh dear.... that explains a couple of things
[20:00] <Krazyderek> !webmin
[20:01] <bogeyd6> Krazyderek, it already has a bandwidth module
[20:01] <coder7> If there is a more appropriate channel for me to go to for UEC issues, please let me know
[20:01] <Krazyderek> @bogeyd6 which one?
[20:02] <jmarsden> coder7: You can try in #ubuntu-virt perhaps?
[20:02] <Krazyderek> @bogeyd6 or rather, is there any pre installed? or should i just pick from one of the lists i find on a ubuntu page?
[20:03] <bogeyd6> Krazyderek, already preinstalled tbh
[20:03] <Krazyderek> @bogeyd6 specifically i want to see real time usage of local users on a intranet on a fileserver
[20:03] <bogeyd6> Krazyderek, http://www.webmin.com/standard.html
[20:04] <guntbert> coder7: I guess you have seen https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/uec.html, see also  #ubuntu-virt, #eucalyptus
[20:04] <bogeyd6> !ntop | Krazyderek
[20:04] <bogeyd6> hmm
[20:04] <bogeyd6> Krazyderek, ntop
[20:05] <Krazyderek> @bogeyd6 that's a good one?
[20:05] <bogeyd6> the best one
[20:05] <bogeyd6> Krazyderek, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ntop
[20:05] <Krazyderek> @bogeyd6 ya the "bandwidth monitoring" in webmin gives me an error "Neither of the System Logs modules are installed on this system and supported by your OS. The Bandwidth Monitoring module cannot operate without one of them."
[20:06] <bogeyd6> Krazyderek, thats because webmin doesnt fully work on an ubuntu sytem
[20:06] <Krazyderek> i guess "all except windows" isn't entirely correct on the webmin page then lol
[20:07] <coder7> jmarsden & guntbert: thanks... and yes I've looked through the docs
[20:08] <guntbert> coder7: I assumed :-) I hope the other channels are more helpful today - Good luck :-)
[20:08] <Krazyderek> @bogeyd6 hmmm ntop isn't playing well so far
[20:09] <bogeyd6> Krazyderek, #ntop
[20:10] <bogeyd6> ntop is in the 10.04 repos
[20:10] <Krazyderek> @bogeyd6 **ERROR** ....open of /var/lib/ntop/prefsCache.db fail         ed: File open error
[20:10] <Krazyderek> Mon Jun 21 16:08:06 2010  Possible solution: please use '-P <directory>'
[20:10] <Krazyderek> Mon Jun 21 16:08:06 2010  **FATAL_ERROR** GDBM open failed, ntop shutting down..         .
[20:10] <Krazyderek> Mon Jun 21 16:08:06 2010  CLEANUP[t140709457868544]: ntop caught signal 2
[20:10] <Krazyderek> Mon Jun 21 16:08:06 2010  THREADMGMT[t140709457868544]: ntop RUNSTATE: SHUTDOWN(
[20:11] <guntbert> !paste | Krazyderek
[20:12] <Krazyderek> sorry
[20:13] <bogeyd6> Krazyderek, did you use the init script or just run ntop from the command line?
[20:13] <Krazyderek> cmd
[20:14] <bogeyd6> well derp
[20:14] <bogeyd6> Krazyderek, if you didnt read the link i gave you for ubuntu community ntop setup you deserve to fail :(
[20:14] <guntbert> bogeyd6: please stay helpful
[20:15] <Krazyderek> @bogeyd6
[20:15] <Krazyderek> @bogeyd6 lol
[20:15] <Krazyderek> fair enough
[20:15] <bogeyd6> kk
[20:15] <bogeyd6> go read that stuff bro
[20:15] <bogeyd6> its step by step
[20:16] <bogeyd6> Krazyderek, its supposed to run as a service and you visit a website for more specific setup
[20:16] <Krazyderek> @bogeyd6 awww my bad
[20:17] <Krazyderek> @bogeyd6 should i / how do i uninstall ntop and start over?
[20:17] <bogeyd6> no
[20:18] <bogeyd6> just start the step after apt-get install ntop
[20:18] <Krazyderek> ok
[20:18] <bogeyd6> Krazyderek, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ntop#Configuration
[20:27] <Krazyderek> @bogeyd6 oh dear... lol
[20:27] <Krazyderek> it doesn't want to monitor my bonded ethernet
[20:32] <bogeyd6> Krazyderek, dunno
[20:35] <bogeyd6> Krazyderek, just googling around shows me some kernel type things they are talking about but I generally have no idea on whats up
[20:35] <Krazyderek> @bogeyd6 i also forgot to restart the service
[20:36] <bogeyd6> Krazyderek, good, because no other articles mention a problem with bonding
[20:36] <blsmith> I have a belkin Wifi Adaptor, that I would like to use to setup a home web, print, music, ftp, and ssh server. How can I do this?
[20:36] <bogeyd6> and i thought to myself that to dump an entire 48 port switch to one machine you would need dual gigabits
[20:39] <blsmith> Is this even possible?
[20:42] <blsmith> nevermind, this came up right on the install.
[20:49] <blsmith> Actually it didn't work can I receive some assistance
[20:50] <CppIsWeird> blsmith, i just stumbled in. can you give a synopsis of your problem? no gurantees that i can help though. :-)
[20:50] <CppIsWeird> *guarantees
[20:52] <blsmith> CpplsWeird: I am attempting to set up a home server using a Belkin Wifi USB Adapter
[20:53] <Krazyderek> hmm
[20:55] <blsmith> I was under Ubuntu 10.04 Live CD and it worked just right.During the installation it was attempting to automatcally set up the network and found wlan0 and I attempted to set that up without sucess.
[20:55] <Krazyderek> @bogeyd6 even if i stop ntop i can't get it to start on bond0 using sudo ntop -i eth0
[20:55] <blsmith> *installation of the server
[20:56] <bogeyd6> init script Krazyderek
[20:56] <bogeyd6> /etc/init.d/ntop restart
[20:56] <CppIsWeird> blsmith, a home server to serve what specifically?
[20:56] <blsmith> print, web, ftp, music, and ssh
[20:56] <CppIsWeird> lol, this is going to take some time. :P
[20:57] <Krazyderek> @bogeyd6 that restarts it on eth0
[20:57] <bogeyd6> Krazyderek, then check the init script
[20:57] <blsmith> CpplsWeird: possible samba for backup of local computer. If I can just setup the network to work, then all should fall into place
[20:57] <CppIsWeird> ok so right now you're stuck on getting your usb wireless adapter working on ubuntu live cd?
[20:58] <blsmith> CPPlsWeird: Sorry the adapter works on the live cd but I can't set it up on the server side., I continually get the Network autoconfiguation failed msg.
[20:59] <blsmith> CpplsWeird: Should I not set up the network right now?
[21:00] <CppIsWeird> blsmith, try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12045
[21:01] <CppIsWeird> however be sure to use your adapters interface, wlan0.
[21:02] <blsmith> CpplsWeird: The network's password is under WPA/WPA2 TKIP + AES, not WEP
[21:02] <Krazyderek> **ERROR** RRD: Disabled - unable to create directory (err 13, /var/lib/ntop/rrd/graphics)
[21:03] <Krazyderek> @bogeyd6 i keep getting that error when i try to monitor bond0
[21:08] <CppIsWeird> blsmith, looks like you have some fun ahead of you. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202834
[21:08] <blsmith> CpplsWeird: Espically when i get debootstrapping errors when installing
[21:10] <CppIsWeird> "debootstrapping error"
[21:10] <CppIsWeird> ive never heard of such a thing
[21:10] <CppIsWeird> !google debootstrapping error
[21:10] <blsmith> CpplsWeird: I think thats what it said.
[21:11] <Krazyderek> hmm i guess i'll just take it as it is for now
[21:11] <blsmith> CpplsWeird: It alright I have another cd, that i'm going to tryp
[21:12] <CppIsWeird> yes, because if you stick enough cd's in the cdrom drive its bount to magically start working sooner or later.
[21:12] <CppIsWeird> *bound
[21:13] <blsmith> CppIsWeird, thats the theory i'm going with.
[21:13] <CppIsWeird> and i thought my strategy of cussing at people until things work was inefficient.
[21:14] <blsmith> CppIsWerid: Its working now, and I know why, I starting making a copy of Ubuntu 10.04 Desktop, but without realizing it I started the server version, and never through it away. So This cd I have now is working fine.
[21:15] <blsmith> CppIsWeird: I'm installing without any network settings and will change them using the guide you gave me.
[21:21] <Krazyderek> exit
[21:23] <panfist> i have an ubuntu server providing services on a completely private network, disconnected from the internet. what's the simplest solution for providing email to hosts on the network for integration with other services like wiki, request tracker, nagios, etc?
[21:26] <guntbert> panfist: did you see https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/email-services.html ?, then there is sudo tasksel to install all mail software,...
[21:27] <panfist> i was hoping there was some sort of condensed version that let me skip over all the internet related material
[21:36] <panfist> for example, if all my mail isn't going from my domain to any outside domain, it's all on the LAN only, that would simplify a lot of work done by the MTA
[21:48] <DannyT> Hi.  I'm looking at installing a Zimbra server.  Among underlying OS options are RH/Centos55 & Ubuntu 8 LTS.  Iiuc, both are on the road to being replaced soon-ish.  OS upgrades *under* an app make me ... nervous.  I come from an RPM-based distro bkg, but have rad that Debian/Ubuntu have the "install it once, never worry about upgrades" package mgmt.
[21:48] <DannyT> Tbh, I'm not sure what that means :-/
[21:48] <DannyT> Can anyone comment on how straighforward an Ubuntu 8 LTS -> 10 LTS should be?  If "painfuL', I lean to sticking with Centos ...
[21:53] <JanC> DannyT: Ubuntu 8.04 LTS server is supported for 3 more years, but upgrading from 8.04 LTS to 10.04.1 LTS should work out fine
[22:07] <goldins> DannyT: what that means is that you can upgrade the distribution painlessly. If you've ever used Fedora's preupgrade feature, this is how that feature would work if it ever worked correctly
[22:07] <DannyT> JanC: Sure, I know it "works out" ... lots of folks do it.  I've been burned by promises of "long term support" (not @ Ubuntu ...) where the support--rats abandon ship the moment I try to do _anything_ other than what's shipped with the original release.  I guess a better way to say what I'm looking for -- I'd *like* to install today-ZImbra on toady's supported Ubuntu 8 LTS, then when Ubuntu 10 LTS is supported by Zimbra (soon-is
[22:07] <DannyT> Yeah, I know its a "fuzzy" question -- best I can manage, atm
[22:08] <goldins> basically upgrading the distribution never requires running an installer. It just upgrades all the packages to their new versions and if you have a new kernel you need to reboot
[22:08] <DannyT> goldins: Ok, that's sort of what I'm hoping to hear.  Add to that that the community "in here" hasn't called me an idiot for wanting to "do anything" to the LTS distro in the first five minutes .... we're ahead of the game! ;-)
[22:09] <JanC> DannyT: everything after "(soon-i" was cut off (IRC doesn't support lines that long)
[22:09] <goldins> unlike centos, which doesn't actually have preupgrade yet so upgrading the distribution (from 4 to 5 or 5 to 6, say) which requires you to burn two DVDs and run an installer, possibly necessitating several hours of downtime.
[22:09] <DannyT> JanC: Sorry, didn't know that: (soon-ish ...) *not * end up with a hellish nightmare trying to updated to 10LTS ...
[22:11] <DannyT> goldins: Didn't realize that re: Centos, and therfore I assume RHEL? ... good to know
[22:12] <DannyT> Does Ubuntu Server 10 LTS run "happily" in/as a Xen DomU?  THat'd be my fastest way to get started ....
[22:28] <kirkland> hallyn: [serge-hallyn] Forward port libvirt (to 0.8.1?): TODO
[22:28] <kirkland> hallyn: that looks to be DONE
[22:31] <kirkland> hggdh: can you ensure that you update https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-maverick-uec-testing with your progress this week?
[22:31] <kirkland> hggdh: i think some of those items are to be solve by you guys up there this week
[22:33] <hggdh> kirkland: will do
[22:33] <hallyn> kirkland: uh, yeah.  though i am trying to get a version of that which actually does 'virsh save' in reasonable amount of time
[22:33] <hallyn> (but when i add the patch to fix that, i break 'virsh restore', still dont' know why)
[22:33] <kirkland> hallyn: okay, i updated that spec a bit
[22:33]  * hallyn looks
[22:34] <hallyn> kirkland: cool, thanks.
[22:34] <hallyn> i'd forgotten that was on that bp
[22:35] <hallyn> kirkland: should 'make virsh save work' be a separate item on there, or just keep it off since there's a bug (owned by Daviey) ?
[22:35] <kirkland> hallyn: hmm, why does daviey own that one?  sounds like it should be yours
[22:36] <hallyn> kirkland: cause he's had it since february :)
[22:37] <hallyn> hm, maybe he doesn't
[22:43] <hallyn> ok now i'm getting cranky.  even when i manually rebuild jdstrand's package with no other changes, it still won't restore vm's any more
[22:46] <jdstrand> hallyn: libvirt uses debian source version 3 (quilt)
[22:47] <jdstrand> hallyn: it is possible that even though you removed the patch from series or debian/patches that it is still applied in a 'debian' patch in debian/patches
[22:47] <jdstrand> hallyn: check down in debian/patches for a patch that starts with 'debian'
[22:49] <jdstrand> hallyn: the some thing happened to me during the merge. I'm sure this new source package quilt version works for someone, but I've yet had it not get in my way
[22:49] <hallyn> jdstrand: yeah, i just found that.  had to fight to keep from loudly exclaiming wtf
[22:49] <jdstrand> s/some/same/
[22:49] <jdstrand> hallyn: yeah, it is a bit weird to get used to
[22:49] <hallyn> so this means what, i left the patches applied in working tree and it automatically did a quilt refresh?
[22:49] <jdstrand> hallyn: exactly
[22:50] <hallyn> so now i have no idea whether my previous tests were also fubared
[22:50] <jdstrand> hallyn: so you need to 'export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches" then 'quilt pop -a' before building
[22:50] <jdstrand> then use quilt normally
[22:50] <hallyn> all right thanks - i'll try again later...
[22:50] <jdstrand> sure, np
[22:51]  * jdstrand kicks debian source format 3.0 (quilt) on hallyn's behalf
[22:51] <hallyn> thanks, i feel better :)
[22:51] <jdstrand> :)
[23:10] <ccheney> jjohansen, any updates about kernels?
[23:35] <jjohansen> ccheney: sorry not yet
[23:36] <ccheney> jjohansen, ok np
[23:38] <jjohansen> ccheney: I had a question about the 2.6.34-lucid kernel you tried
[23:38] <ccheney> jjohansen, ok
[23:38] <jjohansen> was that one of tim's backport kernels?
[23:39] <ccheney> its the one from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[23:39] <jjohansen> ah, so just from before renaming to maverick
[23:39] <jjohansen> okay thanks
[23:39] <ccheney> happy to help :)
[23:40] <ccheney> send me an email whenever you have the new ones ready and i can run my script on them and see if i can't find the spot it broke :)
[23:40] <jjohansen> ccheney: will do
[23:48] <Psi-Jack> Curious. Do upstart scripts generally read from /etc/default/$NAME like LSB scripts do?
[23:51] <SpamapS> Psi-Jack: hmm.. great question
[23:51] <SpamapS> /etc/init/ssh says
[23:51] <SpamapS> # if you used to set SSHD_OPTS in /etc/default/ssh, you can change the
[23:51] <SpamapS> # 'exec' line here instead
[23:51] <SpamapS> exec /usr/sbin/sshd
[23:51] <SpamapS> which is, rather lame IMO
[23:52] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. I looked at others and found out it doesn't, you have to enclose it into a script section in the conf.
[23:52] <Psi-Jack> irqbalance.conf was a good one to follow.
[23:52] <SpamapS> Psi-Jack: but some of them use a "script" clause instead of an 'exec' line
[23:52] <Psi-Jack> I'm converting some LSB scripts to upstart to see if I can get keepalived and linux-igd to play nice together on two servers.


[00:35] <TaiChiMustDo> Solve NetworkManager question from earlier on crashing upon adding to systemtray. Appears to be problematic for many. https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=120815#p316954
[02:28] <yahyaa> does anyone have an idea of when the plasma5 will be ready?
[02:29] <valorie> "ready"?
[02:29]  * valorie is using plasma 5 atm, and have been for a few months
[02:29] <valorie> to find out if it is ready for YOU, perhaps try the liveUSB?
[02:29] <yahyaa> the only release i saw is an unstable and unsupported version of it
[02:30] <valorie> we're planning 15.04 to be plasma 5 by default, if that is what you mean
[02:30] <yahyaa> yes
[02:30] <valorie> so about 5 months
[02:32] <yahyaa> ok thanks, I installed the unsupported version, but it could not find my printer, said it was missing a ppd file!
[02:32] <valorie> please file a bug, yahyaa
[02:33] <valorie> that's the point of running a testing version
[02:33] <yahyaa> how should I do that, I already uninstalled it and went back to plasma 4
[02:33] <valorie> I've heard of printing problems both here and in #kde
[02:33] <valorie> oh sad
[02:33] <valorie> filing bugs is an important contribution
[02:34] <yahyaa> no doubt
[03:02] <fossilchan> #userguide
[03:04] <fossilchan> who 0 o
[03:07] <valorie> fossilchan: what are you looking for?
[03:07] <valorie> perhaps alis can help
[03:07] <valorie> !alis | fossilchan
[07:17] <street> t
[07:21] <soee> good morning
[08:02] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:28] <alvin> Running plasma5 now. With KDE 4.14.1. If I add the Kubuntu PPA, will I get 4.14.2, or is the PPA not meant for plasma5 users?
[09:34] <street> can someone tell me if kubuntu 14.04 uses grub2 from the install?
[09:35] <valorie> alvin: which kubuntu ppa?
[09:35] <valorie> street: yes, grub2
[09:35] <valorie> for years
[09:35] <valorie> !grub2
[09:35] <alvin> Right. Ehm, backports I think. Let me check.
[09:36] <street> humm
[09:36] <alvin> valorie: No, this one: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[09:37] <alvin> backports is currently used for telepathy. That one too actually. Can I add both and not break plasma5?
[09:37] <lordievader> !info grub2
[09:37] <lordievader> Ah, finally an actual version 2 :P
[09:38] <street> thanx
[09:41] <valorie> alvin: I think you would get a warning of incompatable software
[09:41] <street> I lost it after my last update, and wanted to eliminate any conflicts with the packages I installed yesterday
[09:42] <alvin> valorie: In that case, I'll try. I'm already running plasma5, what's a little more risk :-)
[09:42] <valorie> me too, but I can't recall if I have backports or not
[09:42] <valorie> I should
[09:43] <valorie> so far so good with plasma 5 here
[09:44] <street> I received my first error installing updates today. I was a little surprised when I crashed...got it back now
[09:45] <alvin> Looks fine so far. I'm downloading. This morning I noticed that my kernel upgrades aren't getting trough. I let the installer partition, and it made a separate /boot and /boot/EFI. (encrypted LVM). Now I see that /boot is NOT automounted, and apt fails to see that. So, when update-grub runs, it places an initrd on my root volume. I'll have to remember to mount /boot.
[09:45] <valorie> that's a bit odd
[09:45] <valorie> I'm glad I don't have to deal with efi
[09:45] <alvin> This might qualify as a bug. If someone else uses encrypted LVM and notices his /boot is NOT mounted (df), please check.
[09:46] <alvin> valorie: You will in the future.
[09:46] <alvin> You can run from systemd, but not from EFI :-)
[09:47] <street> that seems related to my reboot problem..couldnt find partitions
[09:47] <street> thanx again
[09:47] <lordievader> alvin: How does your /etc/fstab look?
[09:48] <alvin> I'll install and reboot. brb. street, what reboot problem? I must admit I do have problems rebooting, but I didn't know that ahout the /boot partition. Kubuntu does not want to reboot directly. I have to drop to a shell
[09:48] <alvin> lordievader: I'll reboot first and paste it somewhere
[09:51] <alvin> Reboot succeeded. I already see stuff fixed using that PPA. Good!
[09:52] <alvin> The reboot problem I still have is very weird. When rebooting, the pc actually reboots, goes to grub, then shows a blank screen. Then I press Ctrl+Alt+Del, then it reboots, goes to grub and boots normally. Every time. I have to 'reboot twice'.
[09:52] <alvin> !paste
[09:53] <alvin> lordievader: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9454281/
[09:54] <alvin> I did change stuff. like the /tmp and the names (and especially size) of the LVM volumes. Makes no sense to create a single LVM volume anyway.
[09:55] <lordievader> alvin: The uuid of /boot is correct?
[09:56] <alvin> blkid says it is
[09:56] <alvin> I note that now, /boot and /boot/EFI actually did mount
[09:57] <alvin> I wonder what the problem was. There was an initrd placed on /boot when it was not mounted. I moved it to the correct partition before rebooting and ran update-grub
[12:10] <ahox> Hi, my plasmashell does not register any typing anymore. E.g. opening an plasmoid, say activities, selecting the search box and typing will result in the text appearing in the previous active application
[12:10] <ahox> Any idea what to do?
[12:32] <alvin> ahox: No. Plasma5?
[12:32] <alvin> Any idea where I can find the KDE wallet manager in plasma5?
[12:35] <ahox> alvin, yes
[12:35] <ahox> alvin, kwalletmanager
[12:36] <alvin> ahox: Thx. It was not installed.
[12:46] <alvin> On a related note, what's the package for KDE telepathy. It's not installed either.
[12:49] <alvin> Ok, that's not true.  I was looking for 'telepathy' in the Kmenu while "Instant Messenger Contacts" was staring me in the face in "favorites"
[13:14] <alvin> It looks like plasma5 is missing a status indicator for Instant Messaging. There's a warning however.
[13:21] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:38] <Roey> BluesKaj:  g'morning
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Hi Roey
[13:40] <Roey> bbiab
[15:17] <morgajel> question for you guys- when you install off a usb stick, have you noticed that your machine never ends up recognizing the optical drive?  I finally get around to trying the optical drive over a year after the initial install and it can't see the drive. no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd, nothing in lshw, and nothing in lspci. http://www.linlap.com/hp_elitebook_8570p says the drive works, and I've physically replaced the drive as well. same results.
[15:17] <morgajel> any thoughts as to what the problem could be?
[15:17] <morgajel> or where else to look?
[15:19] <morgajel> nothing in dmesg either ;/
[15:24] <MarcoPau> hello, I can't have chromium in my own language since a few upgrades. I have the language packages installed and reinstalled to make sure everything went properly. Do you have any hints?
[15:24] <BluesKaj> morgajel, uefi/bios ?
[15:27] <morgajel> BluesKaj: I'm not 100% sure- it's probably whatever was stock with the laptop. any suggestions on figuring out which it is?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> morgajel, how old is the laptop?
[15:28] <morgajel> two years old
[15:30] <BluesKaj> ok then it's definitely uefi , I've had the same problem since I removed windows 8 and installed Windows 7 and Kubuntu
[15:30] <morgajel> looks like bios- no trace of efi in dmesg, but plenty for bios
[15:30] <morgajel> BluesKaj: :/
[15:31] <morgajel> BluesKaj: I take it you didn't find a fix?
[15:31] <BluesKaj> morgajel, the only way I solved it was to install a new GPT partition table over the old one and reinstall both OSs
[15:31] <BluesKaj> gpt from the windows disk management
[15:32] <BluesKaj> ok gotta go for a while ..bbl
[15:32] <morgajel> thanks BluesKaj
[15:32] <morgajel> so basically I'm screwed :/
[16:08] <morgajel> BluesKaj: for the record, it was in legacy bios mode rather than uefi hybrid (with cmd) or uefi native
[16:09] <BluesKaj> morgajel, yes I did the same at first, but got tired of removing the batery for 5mins every time i needed the cdrom detected
[16:09] <BluesKaj> err battery
[16:10] <BluesKaj> so now i just use the usb option in the uefi/bios
[16:11] <BluesKaj> morgajel, I suggest you do the same
[16:12] <BluesKaj> it also helps to have access to a pc that has a working cdrom to transfer files and iso to a usb stick
[16:16] <morgajel> here's the most frustrating part
[16:16] <morgajel> I didn't even need to use it
[16:17] <BluesKaj> didn't need to use the cdrom?
[16:17] <morgajel> I just wasted 3 hours trying to read a disk that my coworker burned for me for a dell disk array; I can mount the iso through the idrac
[16:17] <morgajel> this is the second time in 2 years that I've needed to use it, so I thought I'd try to figure it out since previously I presumed It was a bad drive
[16:18] <morgajel> not a bad drive, just derpy hardware
[16:18] <morgajel> and I don't have the time or resources to reimage my laptop right now
[16:18] <morgajel> I'm trying to get a new vmware cluster up and running before Jan.
[16:21] <BluesKaj> well if you want to restore cdrom access then Is suggest gpt for the windows partition, if you have it installed. GPT keeps better track of hardware and partitions than the old mbr and windows recovery ntfs
[16:22] <morgajel> yeah, it'll probably be a project for January or Feb.
[16:22] <morgajel> thank you for your help though
[16:22] <morgajel> I really appreciate it.
[16:22] <BluesKaj> as soon as you install kubuntu the gpt partiton table reverts to the old msdos version for ext4
[16:23] <BluesKaj> and my cdrom still disappears for a while at times , just not as often :)
[16:24] <BluesKaj> it's not a complete fix, unfortunately
[16:28] <BluesKaj> morgajel, in the meantime I've decided to use usb as a my cdrom substsitute since it's much more reliable in the legacy mode.
[16:31] <BluesKaj> I have 3 usb sticks and they're very inexpensive nowadays, better reliability and much faster transfer speeds than cds
[16:59] <morgajel> BluesKaj: ugh, it's one of THOSE days. copied the ISO from the server to my local machine, vmware won't mount it for windows to use. move it to my linux install, loop mount it there in a place where windows could see it, and while the autoinstaller works, the paths are fubar'd since it's not a real disk.
[17:00] <morgajel> on top of that, using an actual win8 install disk, I was unable to boot off it regardless of bios configuration
[17:00] <morgajel> so everything is failing today
[17:02] <BluesKaj> morgajel, ok maybe secure boot is blocking the bootup, ..try disabling secure boot
[17:03] <morgajel> it was disabled :/
[17:06] <BluesKaj> try the removing the battery for a few mins then opening the bios to see if you can boot off the cdrom
[17:16] <AndersonS01> Boa tarde
[17:17] <AndersonS01> tem alguem que possa me ajudar
[17:17] <AndersonS01> ?
[17:18] <BluesKaj> !br | AndersonS01
[17:18] <AndersonS01> eu  sou novato e não entendo muito
[17:19] <AndersonS01> onde faço isso?
[17:19] <BluesKaj> AndersonS01, ^
[17:20] <AndersonS01> não tem na lista o br
[17:22] <BluesKaj> AndersonS01, English only please or, /j #ubuntu-br or #ubuntu-pt
[17:25] <arthurfiggis> hmm...anyone know their way around ufw particularly well? :) i have a bunch of rules set up to try and allow access from any address coming from <IP_ADDRESS>/24 as a range to port 8200 of my PC, to share out DLNA stuff...but it seems like it's still blocking a lot of connection attempts in the logs?
[19:41] <michael___> Hallo zusammen
[19:47] <michael___> habe eine hdd aus dem kubuntu ausgehängt und habe anscheinen was falsch gemacht, habe auch im google nach antworten gesucht leider ohne erfolg da ich noch zu wenig von linux verstehe und das ist die meldung wo ich beim starten des system bekomme  (The disk drive /home1 is not ready yet or not present. Continue to wait, or press Sto skip mounting or M for manual recovery)
[19:48] <soee> !de
[19:49] <michael___> ok danke für die miteilung
[19:50] <Jef91> is there an easy way I can keep KDE, but purge all the default apps that came with Kubuntu?
[19:55] <luc4> Hello! Anyone who knows how to add a new custom session to lightdm? I added a file in /usr/share/xsessions, but no new item in the login.
[22:43] <keithzg> Hmmph, just saw baloo_file jump to 100% CPU usage and start eating up gigabytes of memory; all hail the new file indexing regime, as broken as the last :P
[22:45] <rberg_> does anyone here use kde telepathy successfully?
[22:47] <rberg_> I am unable to log into a xmpp server that kopete works fine with. ktp has a spinning icon and never connects
[22:50] <keithzg> Hmm I use *telepathy* routinely but never on the desktop these days. I think there's a general telepathy log though? Although kde telepathy IIRC you run a specific other binary to debug.
[22:51] <keithzg> Hmm of course the official freedesktop page is purely gnome-focused: http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Debugging/
[22:52] <rberg_> I have been looking in ktp-debugger but I dont see any obvious errors
[22:54] <keithzg> rberg_: and your problem isn't just https://community.kde.org/KTp/Troubleshooting#I_can.27t_connect_jabber_accounts ?
[22:55] <rberg_> I do have a ~/.cache/dbus
[22:55] <rberg_> err dconf I mean
[22:55] <keithzg> Fair enough; and when I actually look I see that this bug was fixed long ago, heh. Time to update the community wiki!
[22:56] <rberg_> I have also removed my iptables rules just to be sure
[22:58] <keithzg> rberg_:Hmm, but the fact that Kopete works fine (on the same PC, I assume?) makes that seem unlikely anyways.
[23:04] <rberg_> yep same machine
[23:04] <rberg_> bonjour works much better without me blocking it :)
[23:04] <keithzg> rberg_: Wireshark time?
[23:05] <rberg_> thats a idea, I have never used wireshark.. is it anything like tcpdump?
[23:05] <keithzg> Yeah, just a nicer interface mostly, heh.
[23:05] <keithzg> Fairly easy to filter on the fly.
[23:06] <rberg_> cool, I will look into that
[23:11] <rberg_> I see packets going out but not back.. and a error "Could not get owner of name 'org.freedesktop.Telepathy.Connection.gabble.jabber.rberg_40XXX_2ecom_2fkde_2dtelepathy_2d498686': no such name""
[23:13] <rberg_> also "tp-qt 0.9.4 WARN: Error parsing config file for connection manager "haze" - introspecting"
[23:33] <nawar> is this the right channel for devs who are working on the plasma 5
[23:34] <valorie> nawar: you probably want #plasma
[23:52] <nawar> cool thanks!


[19:59] <tsimonq2> o/
[19:59] <kees> \o
[20:00]  * slangasek waves
[20:03] <slangasek> kees: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda suggests that you are chairing today :)
[20:03] <slangasek> otoh, mdeslaur sent regrets and I see no infinity or stgraber
[20:03] <kees> yeah, sorry, got caught up in the xchat bug-reading
[20:03] <kees> do we have enough folks?
[20:05] <kees> slangasek: infinity idle 11 hours.
[20:06] <kees> so... there's only 2 TB members here, we don't have quorum.
[20:06] <slangasek> ack
[20:06] <kees> slangasek: would it be valueable for us to discuss the xchat issue anyway, even though we can't have a binding decision?
[20:07] <slangasek> kees: well, I failed to follow up on that before meeting because I was instead focused on the ubuntu-seeded-snaps topic which I considered more urgent
[20:07]  * kees nods
[20:07] <slangasek> kees: but IMHO there's no reason for xchat to be escalated to the TB at all at this point, it's squarely in the domain of the archive admins
[20:07] <kees> that was my first reaction, yes. :P
[20:08] <rbasak> o/
[20:08] <rbasak> It wasn't obvious to me that it is within the domain of the archive admins, because it's at least in part a social decision.
[20:08] <rbasak> But without a reply to my post on ubuntu-release@, nobody seemed to be making a decision.
[20:09] <rbasak> This is why I added to the agenda.
[20:09] <slangasek> it is clear to me that the archive admins have the authority, and escalating to the TB is not going to get a decision *faster* than letting the archive admins think it through and respond
[20:09] <slangasek> any decision by the AA team can of course be reviewed by the TB
[20:10] <rbasak> How long should we wait for an AA decision before re-escalating to the TB if we don't get one?
[20:11] <rbasak> (since a lack of a decision before final freeze -ish is effectively a decision by default)
[20:11] <slangasek> I would say a week should be the minimum
[20:11] <kees> I would say just leave it on the agenda for the next TB meeting. if you get a resolution before then, remove it. :)
[20:11] <slangasek> (and certainly longer than the time between the Thursday of an engineering sprint, and the Monday when a lot of people are swapped on travel)
[20:12] <rbasak> I think (but it's not clear) that ~ubuntu-archive was subscribed when the bug was submitted which is over a week ago - but yeah, the engineering sprint didn't help.
[20:13] <jbicha> (I filed lots of ubuntu-archive removal bugs that are still open)
[20:13] <rbasak> But as I say I'm asking the TB because it (to me) wasn't clear it's an AA thing, and nobody said otherwise on the list. So I didn't want to wait weeks before being told that the AAs were ignoring it because they didn't see it as an AA decision.
[20:13] <jbicha> (killing libgnome stuff, old webkitgtk, gksu, etc.)
[20:14] <rbasak> kees: sure. Easy enough, thanks.
[20:15] <slangasek> jbicha: yes, and I would spend some time on these if not for launchpad timing out on the bug list for ~ubuntu-archive
[20:15] <rbasak> To be clear, I'm only trying to drive this because I think we owe it to the community as a project to be able to decide on this without letting it languish.
[20:16] <slangasek> anyway, since we don't have quorum, we also don't really have a meeting
[20:16] <kees> rbasak: yeah, I agree about avoiding a problem with a package living in LTS.
[20:17] <slangasek> so I'm going to wander off from this discussion, and follow up to the mailing list threads as appropriate
[20:17] <rbasak> kees: well, I'm not necessarily in favour of removal :)
[20:17] <rbasak> I just think the project should have a very clear line to a decision, and I don't feel that it has right now.
[20:17] <kees> rbasak: right, I mean "evaluating it" in case we have a solid concern to avoid it
[20:18] <rbasak> Ah. Yes, I agree then :)
[20:21] <jbicha> slangasek: for webkitgtk, the tricky one is still gnucash which I guess you're sort of following
[20:22] <jbicha> looking at the links from https://bugs.debian.org/892177 there is supposed to be a 2.7.6 release any time now
[20:24] <rbasak> Thanks for looking anyway.
[20:24]  * rbasak EODs


[17:33] <DzAirmaX> hi all
[17:33] <DzAirmaX> I have a problem concerning this script here http://guide.munin-monitoring.org/en/latest/example/rrdcached/upstart.html#example-rrdcached-upstart
[17:34] <DzAirmaX> can someone check and tell me if there is a writing pb in it ?
[17:37] <DzAirmaX> is someone alive here ?
[19:17] <cwillu_at_work> DzAirmaX, what's the actual problem?
[22:50] <switchflip> Hi everyone... relatively new to chef, but I'm trying to use chef resources inside of ruby_block... having trouble and scratching my head.
[22:51] <switchflip> the resource in particular is remote_file.


[01:24] <twitch_> ehlo
[01:40] <miketech> uhh
[01:40] <miketech> art.ubuntu.com is up. very nice
[01:42] <twitch> yeh, it's cool
[01:42] <miketech> very good work
[01:42] <twitch> inspired me to open Inkscape again :)
[01:43] <miketech> hehe
[01:44] <miketech> there are some very good ideas
[01:44] <miketech> do you know, what themes will be provided there?
[01:44] <miketech> only gnome themes?
[01:44] <miketech> or kde themes too?
[01:45] <twitch> at the moment it's setup mostly for gnome themes, so i'm not sure what will happen with kubuntu
[01:45] <twitch> i think the idea is to keep the artwork ubuntu centric though - i think that's the only requirement
[01:45] <twitch> rather than duplicating themes from art.gnome.org/{gnome,kde}-look.org
[01:45] <miketech> eah
[01:45] <miketech> yeah
[06:31] <daeb> hi