[00:05] <blizzz> how can i mount non-standard data dvds?
[00:07] <Mamarok> blizzz: what do you mean by non-standard?
[00:07] <blizzz> Mamarok: not iso9660
[00:07] <Mamarok> blizzz: should work, try it
[00:08] <blizzz> Mamarok: doesn't, i tried
[00:08] <Mamarok> blizzz: what format?
[00:08] <Mamarok> blizzz: could very well be because fstap expects iso9660 by default
[00:09] <blizzz> if i knew that... a friend burned it on windows a couple of months ago. i am relatively sure that i had could open it some time ago, but that was with a far prior kubuntu version
[00:09] <Mamarok> blizzz: check if your /etc/fstab has an iso95660 entry for the drive, then that is the problem
[00:10] <blizzz> Mamarok: it even fails mounting manually
[00:10] <Mamarok> blizzz: of course, if the fstab settings are as I expect they are...
[00:11] <Mamarok> blizzz: check if there is an entry in /etc/fstab for the drive
[00:11] <blizzz> http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/785
[00:12] <blizzz> Mamarok: no there isn't. other cds/dvds can be mounted anyway
[00:13] <kaddi> Hello, is there someone who would be willing to explain the differences between mounting an external fat-partition in windows and linux to me?
[00:13] <Mamarok> blizzz: most CDs and DVDs are iso9660...
[00:13] <blizzz> Mamarok: yes, but this one is obviously not
[00:14] <Mamarok> blizzz: could you paste the /etc/fstab file in http://paste.ubuntu.com, please?
[00:16] <blizzz> Mamarok: http://paste.ubuntu.com/201147/ i don't think it is a problem with the fstab because other discs are mounted as expected
[00:19] <Mamarok> blizzz: you don't have an entry for the drive, that's strange
[00:19] <blizzz> Mamarok: that's needless
[00:26] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: quick question : can i boot a ISO image from  a HD ?
[00:30] <shadeslayer> one of my files on the live USB drive is corrupted will copying (not installing) the contents of the ISO on to the USB solve the problem?
[00:34] <blizzz> gn8
[00:37] <kaddi> I'm still looking for information on how linux handles fat32 (especially on removable media). I think I'm probably looking for info on how it handles hidden sectors... Anyone know anthing about it? Or maybe has an idea where I could get this information?
[00:46] <bilicki> I want to install kubuntu... how large should my swap partition be?
[00:47] <Dragnslcr> I think the usual suggestion is somewhere around twice your RAM
[00:47] <bilicki> my ram is 4GB
[00:47] <bilicki> so 8GB???
[00:51] <Dragnslcr> If you have the extra disk space, might as well
[00:51] <bilicki> cool, thanks
[01:04] <shadeslayer> in kopete how do i set up a gmail account?
[01:05] <shadeslayer> i specifically need the settings under the connections tab
[01:10] <ActionParsnip> let me check
[01:10] <eamonn> Hey, I'm in a serious bind if anyone wants to help...
[01:10] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: never mind...i googled it
[01:10] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: i just need to find the place where i can hide offline contacts now
[01:10] <ActionParsnip> eamonn: sup?
[01:10] <Dragnslcr> shadeslayer- http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=57557
[01:11] <ActionParsnip> http://www.johnoriordan.ie/index.php/2007/06/06/using-gmail-on-kopete/
[01:11] <lovre> is it possible for me to install xfce but without all the additional programs? i would like to use all my existing programs from KDE, but use xfce... is this possible
[01:11] <eamonn> Yeah
[01:11] <eamonn> I had the same problem early on.
[01:12] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: where do i configure the hide offline contacts thing?
[01:12] <wallace> irc portuguese
[01:12] <shadeslayer> found it -_-
[01:12] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: i dont even know whatthat is :-/
[01:12] <eamonn> Just go to your package manager (synaptic, kpackage, or adept) and searck for xfce
[01:12] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: hehe..never mid :P
[01:12] <shadeslayer> *mind
[01:12] <ActionParsnip> lovre: sudo apt-get install xfce4
[01:12] <lovre> ActionParsnip: wouldnt that just install everything?
[01:12] <lovre> ActionParsnip: i dont want *any* additional programs
[01:12] <ActionParsnip> lovre: you can use kde apps in xfce
[01:13] <ActionParsnip> lovre: no, if you want everything you need: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[01:13] <lovre> ActionParsnip: ah, i see
[01:13] <lovre> ActionParsnip: thank you :D
[01:13] <ActionParsnip> lovre: it will install what is needed to run and configure xfce
[01:13] <lovre> ActionParsnip: so i can logout and select xfce?
[01:13] <ActionParsnip> lovre: it will not install mousepad / swiftfox etc
[01:14] <lovre> ActionParsnip: i dont have laptop... so its ok...
[01:14] <lovre> ActionParsnip: how about drivers, will they work?
[01:14] <ActionParsnip> lovre: sure, i use lxde instead for lightness, but use some kde apps
[01:14] <lovre> graphics, sound?
[01:14] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: i just did a comlete reinstall
[01:14] <ActionParsnip> lovre: the DE is nothing to do with drivers
[01:14] <eamonn> ActionParsnip: Okay, I set up a machine to dual boot windows and Ubuntu, right?  But when I go to select my OS in grub, my keyboard does not accept input, so I can't select before it times out.
[01:14] <lovre> ActionParsnip: yes, im tired and noob, ofcourse. stupid.
[01:15] <ActionParsnip> lovre: no, its good to ask. i treat all the same
[01:15] <lovre> ActionParsnip: thank you very much :)
[01:15] <ActionParsnip> eamonn: hmm strange
[01:15] <ActionParsnip> eamonn: laptop / desktop / usb keyboard / ps2 keyboard ?
[01:15] <eamonn> ActionParsnip: usb
[01:16] <lovre> ActionParsnip: would it require much setting up after install? if yes, where can i find instructions (clear ones possibly=
[01:16] <ActionParsnip> eamonn: tried a different port? is legacy usb enabled in bios?
[01:16] <ActionParsnip> lovre: depends what you want to change. most settings are ok but better support for the DE will be given in #xubuntu
[01:16] <eamonn> ActionParsnip: I've tried several ports, there are 8 in total, so I'll go test each one now.  I'll check the BIOS first.  brb
[01:18] <lovre> ActionParsnip: ok thanx again :)
[01:18] <eamonn> ActionParsnip: Thanks!  Looks like USB keyboard support is disabled.  I'll try again with it enabled.
[01:18] <ActionParsnip> eamonn: np man
[01:18] <ActionParsnip> lovre: np duder
[01:20] <skorpius> hello roo,
[01:20] <eamonn> ActionParsnip: Thank you very much, it is working just fine now.
[01:21] <skorpius> F1 F1 please
[01:21] <Dragnslcr> Near the top-left corner of your keyboard
[01:21] <Dragnslcr> Next to "Esc" probably
[01:22] <skorpius> i have a question as i am new to linux
[01:27] <ActionParsnip> skorpius: ask away
[01:27] <skorpius> can someone tell me any good video editor exept kdenlive and cinelerra
[01:28] <ActionParsnip> !info kino
[01:29] <ActionParsnip> !info avidemux
[01:30] <skorpius> another question
[01:31] <skorpius> can i install kde with ome without installing all K packages like koffice ketc etc
[01:32] <ActionParsnip> skorpius: sure, just need to find the right name
[01:32] <shadeslayer> bye all
[01:32] <Dragnslcr> Should be able to. I know koffice isn't part of kdebase
[01:32] <ActionParsnip> I'd shoot for kdebase-bin
[01:33] <skorpius> thnx let me have a look
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> kubuntu-desktop would give you a reasonable amount of KDE
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> or at least, what a default kubuntu install would give you
[01:35] <ActionParsnip> JontheEchidna: all the kubuntu apps are antedto be avoided. s/he only wats the DE without the extra appsin the meta package
[01:35] <skorpius> well honestly  i dont like to work in kde actually i love to use amarok and kdenlive.
[01:36] <skorpius> amarok is working smooth with gnome but kdenlive crashes all the time so i wanted to install kde just to edit videos in kdenlive
[01:36] <ActionParsnip> skorpius: then simply install amarok, the required packages will be pulled down and you cacontinue to use whichever DE you prefer
[01:38] <luis_> hello, i wanna connect to serebii channel, what i can do?
[01:39] <ActionParsnip> !serbia
[01:40] <skorpius> kdebase-bin looks smaller.
[01:40] <ActionParsnip> skorpius: it has Qt dependancies which will be needed. you will install more than just that package
[01:41] <skorpius> do you think after having these bineries kdenlive will work?
[01:41] <bjb1959> I use a program called gcstar to maintain my video/movie database and when I start movies with it (using the system default which I set to smplayer) there is no sound unless I stop the movie and re-open it through smplayer. any ideas why this would happen?
[01:41] <ActionParsnip> skorpius: its free to try
[01:42] <bjb1959> by the way, it doesn't happen if I use gnome or another window manager, just kde 4.2.3. any ideas?
[01:42] <skorpius> i have qt dependencies ActionParsnip but only kdenlive is giving troubles other K packages working smooth
[01:42] <luis_> !serebii
[01:44] <skorpius> after exploring alot of forums i got this conclusion that kdenlive is not very smooth with gnome
[01:51] <skorpius> nahhhh the same problem
[01:51] <skorpius> anyway thanks for the help
[02:00] <shadeslayer> which torrent manager should i install>
[02:00] <shadeslayer> no gnome libraries please
[02:01] <Dragnslcr> ktorrent works fine for me
[02:01] <shadeslayer> Dragnslcr: any other alternative?
[02:01] <Dragnslcr> I'm sure there are plenty
[02:02] <shadeslayer> yeah the !torrent factoid has many....half of them are gnome
[02:05] <_CommandeR_> Hi, anyone tried the USB boot, problem is how do you save the xorg.conf from changing back to deffault every time ?
[02:14] <Psi-Jack> Does Kubuntu 9.04 come with KDE 4.2 or 4.0?
[02:18] <Dragnslcr> Psi-Jack- I think the release discs have 4.2.2
[02:20] <halfsane> hey gents,  how do i change the login sound in KDE4?
[02:20] <halfsane> i cant find the sound prefs
[02:21] <Dragnslcr> halfsane- System Settings ->  Notifications
[02:22] <Dragnslcr> In the KDE System Notifications category
[02:22] <halfsane> Dragnslcr: oh  thanks!    i check there real quick and just kept looking around
[02:29] <_CommandeR_> How do you save settings to the xorg.conf when running Ubuntu from USB ?
[02:32] <Kalex> so
[02:32] <Kalex> this guy has a stupid question
[03:04] <subcool> could someone assist me with a search? i am trying to find a way to make my wrt54g into a wireless hub- Im at a hotel that doesn support lan lines..
[03:05] <subcool> supposedly the hyperwrt or something like that does it-
[03:06] <subcool> i have tomato on one of my wrt's ...
[03:06] <subcool> but thats for my VOIp.
[03:33] <shaffy> can someone help:  i am trying to restore my grub boot menu (installed windows7 dual boot) through the  live cd.  at the grub terminal i type "fine /boot/grub/stage1" and i get "error 15: file not found."  any ideas anyone?
[03:38] <Dragnslcr> !grub
[04:12] <TMKCodes> Anyone want to help me with radeon drivers and opengl? My opengl does not work. :/ http://tmk.pastebin.com/f1b67d2e8
[04:18] <adriano> to perdido
[04:18] <adriano> aqui
[04:18] <adriano> alguem sabe como entro no do brasil
[04:31] <jonny_> I have a question any 1 kno how i can change my video setting from 24 bit to 32 Bit i just resently installed linux and cant swap to my 32 bit setting any more
[04:32] <bryan_> i am trying to run a program from termianl, and have been typing just the name what am i doing wrong?
[04:45] <TMKCodes> bryan_:  ./programname
[04:48] <bryan_> does anyone have any experince with boxee?
[04:59] <sithlord48> anyone here using amarok 2.1.1 ? i have a slight issue w/ it insisting on stoping after each track. i can't seam to find out how i either enabled the setting or how to stop it from doing it ...
[05:00] <milo> Serpardum: please do you know how to switch from English to French in Open Office?
[06:12] <sumon> hi, good morning, i'm from indonesia
[06:13] <bazhang> sumon, need help in indonesian? #ubuntu-id
[06:13] <sumon> ok, thanx
[06:19] <sumon> hi
[06:45] <Neon_> Hi, i've been haveing problems with the bugginess of jaunty lately.  Anyone know of a way to downgrade back to intrepid?
[06:45] <bazhang> ful reinstall Neon_
[06:58] <bibstha> how do i reload .profile and .bashrc without logging out ?
[07:11] <noaXess> good morning
[07:12] <noaXess> if i create a raid1 (mirror) with my mainboard's sata-controller, then in the kubuntu installer i see two hd's, instead of one? should i create the riad1 with kubuntu?
[07:57] <donavan_> join ex-chat
[07:57] <staar2> where i can turn off the effects ? This fading and transparancy ?
[07:58] <donavan_> idk i am so new to ubuntu i am trying to find stuff out
[07:59] <donavan_> how do i join channels ?
[08:01] <jussi01> donavan_: type: /join #channelnamehere
[08:01] <donavan_> o lol
[08:01] <donavan_> thank you
[08:01] <jussi01> staar2: system settings - desktop - enable desktop effects
[08:01] <jussi01> donavan_: yw
[08:02] <staar2> jussi01: ty works better now
[08:02] <jussi01> :)
[08:05] <staar2> any improvments to make it more faster :D ?
[08:06] <donavan_> does any one here use ubuntu
[08:07] <jussi01> donavan_: I do on one pc...
[08:07] <jussi01> !anyone
[08:07] <jussi01> staar2: got your gfx card drivers installed if needed?
[08:08] <staar2> i got to say, i have no idea
[08:08] <staar2> as i got the integrated graphic card
[08:08] <jussi01> staar2: which brand?
[08:09] <staar2> but i can say it runs faster then XFCE now
[08:09] <jussi01> intel, nvidia, ati?
[08:09] <staar2> laptop NC6220
[08:09] <staar2> Intel
[08:09] <jussi01> ok :)
[08:09] <donavan_> i am trying to run wow on my pc with ubuntu and its a wnidows exe how would i be able to use it on ubuntu
[08:09] <staar2> 950 something
[08:09] <jussi01> no need for drivers then
[08:09] <jussi01> !wine | donavan_
[08:09] <wangyuan> I have question how to configure samba?
[08:09] <jussi01> !ask | wangyuan
[08:10] <staar2> what text editors you use for coding ? gvim ?
[08:10] <donavan_> thank you
[08:10] <jussi01> staar2: kate on kubuntu for graphical, but its very much up to you
[08:10] <jussi01> !editors
[08:11] <staar2> for kate is there a plugins page to ?
[08:12] <jussi01> staar2: are you looking for a text editor or an IDE?
[08:12] <jussi01> !code | staar2
[08:12] <staar2> php, sql, js, html
[08:13] <staar2> kate should be fine i think ?
[08:13] <staar2> is there some third-party plugins for that to ?
[08:14] <jussi01> staar2: have you had a look at it? ;)
[08:14] <staar2> yes i looked the extensions part
[08:15] <donavan_> i just tried to watch a vid on youtube and it said to install a flash driver i did and i tried to watch it again and it stilll says the same thing
[08:15]  * jussi01 doesnt know much about kate, but assumes so... google may help
[08:16] <jussi01> donavan_: install the kubuntu-restricted-extras package
[08:16] <donavan_> were would i do that
[08:16] <jussi01> donavan_: kmenu - system - kpackagekit
[08:16] <donavan_> ?
[08:17] <jussi01> donavan_: go to the kmenu, then to system, then to kpackagekit...
[08:18] <donavan_> were would i find that in ubuntu
[08:18] <jussi01> donavan_: you are in ubuntu, not kubuntu???
[08:18] <donavan_> o
[08:19] <donavan_> i am so sorry
[08:19] <jussi01> donavan_: /join #ubuntu
[08:19] <jussi01> :)
[08:19] <jussi01> donavan_: but its in system, administration, synaptic package manager
[08:20] <jussi01> then install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[08:24] <donavan_> now what would i do ?
[08:26] <donavan_> i found out i think
[08:27] <jussi01> donavan_: click search, type ubuntu-restricted-extras, click on the box, mark for install, click apply?
[08:27] <donavan_> i did that
[08:28] <jussi01> once its done, restart firefox, watch you tube!
[08:28] <donavan_> yay thank you
[08:37] <Idhan> can I install kdvi on ubuntu 9.04?
[08:38] <donavan_> what is the diff between ubuntu and kubuntu
[08:39] <Idhan> donavan_: the bases of both system are the same, but ubuntu use gnome as main desktop enviroment and kubuntu KDE
[08:39] <xjjk> Idhan: does kdvi still exist.. thought it was replaced by okular
[08:40] <neo_> hola
[08:40] <Idhan> but okular is really bad with forward/inverse search :-(
[08:40] <xjjk> Idhan: Intrepid was the last release that came with kdvi
[08:40] <jussi01> !info kdvi intrepid
[08:41] <xjjk> Idhan: don't think you can easily install it, as it depends on all these KDE3 libs which probably don't exist in Jaunty
[08:41] <Idhan> xjjk: thanks..
[08:45] <cody> Hey is there away to update from Kubuntu 7.04 to 9.04 just by changing the respitories?
[08:45] <cody> !update
[08:45] <bazhang> cody, no
[08:46] <cody> Well I will probably have to go up in distro versions then?
[08:46] <cody> because I edited the sources.list on my install of 7.04 so I can get to 7.10 but nothing happened.
[08:46] <bazhang> should read the upgrade notes, as 7.04 is end of life
[08:46] <cody> yeah I knw :[
[08:47] <bazhang> at this point backing up and doing a fresh install would be a better option
[08:47] <cody> Okay, I see.
[08:47] <cody> I was thinking the same thing, It's a fresh install anyways.
[08:47] <bazhang> read the notes though :)
[08:47] <cody> sure
[08:48] <bazhang> oh in that case not much lost
[08:48] <cody> doesn't hurt to learn more I guess lol.
[09:00] <nobode11> hello, how do i install kde 4 in hardy?
[09:02] <nobode11> *tap* *tap* *tap anyone here?
[09:02] <nobode11> echo!
[09:12] <Serpardum> echo... echo... echo...
[09:14] <nobode11> hi
[09:14] <nobode11> can i ask something?
[09:15] <nobode11> !ask nobode11
[09:15] <nobode11> !ask
[09:16] <Serpardum> By asking if you can ask, you've alredy asked a question. So Just ask you real question
[09:17] <nobode11> i want to install kde4 on hardy - but the guide says execute this: sudo apt-get install kde-nightly
[09:17] <nobode11> nightly builds are not stable right?
[09:19] <Serpardum> I would not say that "nightly builds are not all stable."  I would say some nihtly builds are not stable.  That might be what you wre trying to say bt it was confusion
[09:20] <Serpardum> !kde-nightly
[09:20] <Serpardum> !nightly
[09:20] <Serpardum> hmm
[09:20] <nobode11> !nightstand
[09:20] <nobode11> ...
[09:20] <nobode11> ok i am about to execute this: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-install-kde-42/
[09:21] <nobode11> sudo apt-get install kde-nightly
[09:21] <nobode11> someone stop me....
[09:21] <nobode11> strange....couldn't find package it says
[09:22] <Serpardum> too sleeply.
[09:24] <nobode11> wake up
[09:24] <nobode11> wake up
[09:24] <nobode11> where is everybody?????
[09:28] <refic> ..
[09:36] <denis> hello
[09:58] <edwinc> hellow
[10:37] <HalphaZ> hello
[10:37] <HalphaZ> I can I use nepomuk to create a view of files with 5 stars?
[10:40] <Mamarok> HalphaZ: you need to build the Index first
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[10:41] <HalphaZ> Mamarok: ok... how? I went in system setting and started nepomuk
[10:41] <HalphaZ> but not strigi
[10:42] <HalphaZ> nepomuk is running
[10:42] <HalphaZ> strigi not
[10:42] <ActionParsnip> !info strigi
[10:42] <HalphaZ> so I suppose that nepomuk had build the index
[10:43] <FeasibilityStudy> strigi rules
[10:43] <Mamarok> HalphaZ: well, you need Strigi of course, and if you look for apt-cache search strigi you will find it
[10:43] <Mamarok> Nepomuk doesn't build an index, Strigi does
[10:43] <Mamarok> and Nepomuk uses that index
[10:44] <Mamarok> see also here for more documentation: http://nepomuk.kde.org/node/2
[10:44] <HalphaZ> strigi-daemon?
[10:45] <HalphaZ> I'm on jaunty
[10:46] <FeasibilityStudy> HalphaZ Yeah you need strigi and you will also probably have to make a link to a java library to get it working properly.
[10:48] <nik_> hola
[10:48] <nik_> ??
[10:49] <FeasibilityStudy> HalphaZ: Once you get strigi installed and if it doesn't work properly, go here and follow the directions:  http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3102231.0
[10:49] <bazhang> !es | nik
[10:49] <HalphaZ> FeasibilityStudy: thank you, I'm going to read :-)
[10:49] <arvid_> Does anyone else has problems with installing plasmoid in kde 4.3 beta2 ?
[10:51] <Mamarok> arvid_: you mean the plasmapkg problem?
[10:51] <Mamarok> there seems to be a bug currently
[10:52] <arvid_> Mamarok: sounds likely
[10:53] <ubuntu> hy
[11:01] <HalphaZ> strigi seems to work :-)
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> HalphaZ: could just use the find command ;)
[11:02] <HalphaZ> ActionParsnip: yes... could use pen and paper
[11:03] <HalphaZ> could use letters instead of irc
[11:03] <HalphaZ> a "broadcast" letter .-D
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> HalphaZ: true, but how much searching do you actually do?
[11:04] <HalphaZ> ActionParsnip: I just need to understand what semantic desktop is
[11:04] <HalphaZ> I'm looking for answers
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> HalphaZ: http://www.semanticdesktop.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> HalphaZ: scroll 50% down
[11:08] <sugalo> hello, is it possible to disable to spell check on KNotes ?
[11:10] <HalphaZ> :-) going to try nepomuk... lol
[11:15] <ActionParsnip> sugalo: not used it, its on my removefluff script when i install a fresh system
[11:18] <sugalo> ActionParsnip: so what should i do ?
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> sugalo: no idea. as i said, i dont use it. i'm sure others do, maybe then can advise
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> sugalo: if not, try later in the day, different users etc
[11:20] <sugalo> ActionParsnip: ok sorry ; i thought you were saying your script compiles your system without aspell
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> sugalo: no it strips about 60% of the OS out
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> sugalo: as well as installing flash and video drivers
[11:22] <sugalo> heh ok
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> theres a lot i dont use, like knotes, evince, pdf rubbish, pppoe stuff
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> stuff like that, out
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> sugalo: my install is just over 2Gb by the end
[11:25] <sugalo> yeah it's amazing the number of softwares installed that i don't use ; maybe even more than on windows
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> sugalo: rip them out, save space
[11:28] <sugalo> ActionParsnip: i'm lazy :( and space is not a problem anymore nowadays ^^
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> sugalo: i like a punchy system hence me skimming the fat
[11:35] <HalphaZ> ActionParsnip: excuse me... I can I search file using ratings?
[11:35] <HalphaZ> now that strigi is running it should be possible
[11:35] <HalphaZ> the last problem is that I don't know how to do
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> HalphaZ: i dont use strigi so i woldnt know
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> HalphaZ: file ratings is another thing i am unfamiliar with
[11:36] <HalphaZ> thanks
[11:40] <matthew__> wow
[11:41] <matthew__> how much people are idle here?
[11:41] <jussi01> matthew__: a few :D
[11:41] <matthew__> damn
[11:41] <matthew__> 200 people and all of them are idle pretty much
[11:41] <jussi01> matthew__: is there something you need help with?
[11:41] <matthew__> sure I got a question
[11:41] <matthew__> I did sudo apt-get install kubuntu
[11:41] <coz_> where is the power management located on kde
[11:42] <matthew__> and when I run KDE programs under GNome is that like emulating KDE and running the application?
[11:42] <coz_> matthew__,    sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:42] <matthew__> i know that
[11:42] <matthew__> i done that already
[11:42] <coz_> matthew__,  oh sorry
[11:42] <jussi01> coz_: system settings - advanced - power management
[11:42] <matthew__> i'm wondering when I run KDE programs. UNDER gnome desktop
[11:42] <matthew__> does it emulate the KDE desktop under gnome?>
[11:42] <jussi01> matthew__: no, no emulation , just running them as normaö
[11:43] <jussi01> normal
[11:43] <matthew__> like wine?
[11:43] <jussi01> no
[11:43] <matthew__> Can I run xfce applications under gnome also?
[11:43] <jussi01> just loads the libraries it needs and runs them - they are all linux apps
[11:43] <jussi01> of course
[11:43] <matthew__> hmm what other desktop managers are there?
[11:44] <jussi01> many many of them, I really suggest you browse google for those
[11:44] <jussi01> coz_: got it?
[11:44] <matthew__> yeah I'm better off just uninstalling kubuntu and installing the applications from SPM
[11:44] <matthew__> to remove kubuntu just sudo apt-get remove kubuntu?
[11:44] <coz_> jussi01,  I think so I done want monitor to sleep   and I am used to gnome myself
[11:45] <jussi01> Hrm, small issue. I cant seem to get my iphone picture dir to mount on kubuntu. works on UNR and normal ubuntu out of the box... :/
[11:45] <coz_> jussi01,  but loving kde 4.3 beta:)
[11:45] <jussi01> coz_: the monitor power mangaement is under system settings, display, power control
[11:45] <coz_> jussi01,  ah let me check :)
[11:46] <matthew__> sudo apt-get autoremove kubuntu-desktop
[11:46] <matthew__> will that remove the desktop of kubuntu?
[11:46] <jussi01> !puregnome | matthew__
[11:46] <matthew__> I'm on gnome
[11:46] <matthew__> but I did the sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:46] <jussi01> yes...
[11:46] <jussi01> I know...
[11:46] <jussi01> read what the bot said...
[11:47] <matthew__> and this will remove the session on login screen also?
[11:47] <matthew__> so gnome will be the only desktop?
[11:54] <coz_> hey guys.. I notice unde system settings/login manager  tht the settings are greyed out....do I need to open t his as root to access those settings?
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> coz_: kdesudo systemsettings
[11:55] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  thanks   trying now :)
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> coz_: yes as its a system wide change which users are not allowed to change
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> coz_: kdesudo will run the gu iapp with elevated access
[11:58] <coz_> ActionParsnip,   thanks I kind of figured that  but wasnt sure on kde  ... so used to know... but loving kde 4.3 beta :)
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> coz_: no worries man, good to ask. I've given up on kde
[11:59] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  oh?   interesting  kde 4.2.4  I uninstalled and did want to deal with it again...tryed ubutu 9.10 with kde 4.3 beta and i may be sold  not sure   I am giving it a week :)
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> i'm sticking with lxde
[12:00] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  oh yeah love that as well but some issues running certain things including  dual monitors/nvidia
[12:00] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  love the speed of it though :)
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> coz_: surely dual monitor is managed by nvidia-settings like in any other de?
[12:01] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  it is but with compiz running there are strange issues   wall paper on secondary monitor doesnt get disaplyed just a transparent monitor :)
[12:02] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  eventually it shows it self  after playing with some settings but then I lose desktop right click
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> oh man compi, theres something i dont use at all
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> horrible junky thing
[12:03] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  :)  well I am one of the support team for it  cant escape it  but it's a good thing I really like it then ?
[12:03] <coz_> :)
[12:03] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  I thought I remember you on #compiz some time back ?
[12:04] <ActionParsnip> yeah when i as loking at it, breaks too much and i want my system to be fast rather than waiting for animations to finish
[12:04] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  oo shouldnt break  not 0.8.2
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> coz_: its good yuo like it if you use it. ive had people having to make scripts to disable compiz then run a game, then rerun compiz once its finished
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> coz_: not exactly practical, this was the other week too
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> and for the sake of a little gloss, not worth the heartache
[12:05] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  well some of that is dependent on video card but generally there is no need to disable it and with fusion icon it is a simple right click to disable that
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> coz_: but a WM shouldnt have to be disabled to run another app, its preposterous
[12:06] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  I never stop compiz for games   unless they dont respect the dual monitor setup and then I just disable dual monitors not compiz
[12:07] <coz_> ActionParsnip, I think you may have had bad advice
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> coz_: its adding an extra complication for users, they have to think which apps need compiz disable and which they can leave it running
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> i think its a joke
[12:07] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  well the only apps  are a couple games everything else runs fine with compiz even on kde :)
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> everything runs great on lxde, i just run things as i like
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> and i have a tonne ore ram free too
[12:08] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  compiz runs really fast on lxde :)
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> *more
[12:08] <libervisco> Hi..
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> seems kinda counter intuitive to run compiz on lxde dont you think...
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> !hi | libervisco
[12:09] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  nah :)
[12:09] <jussi01> !ot
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> coz_: lxde is supposed to be light, then you bloat it out with compiz..
[12:10] <libervisco> thanks :)
[12:10] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  ok i wont argue :)
[12:10] <libervisco> I have some issues with KDE's compositing (at least I think it's compositing)..
[12:10] <jussi01> and coz_, why run compiz on kde4? kwin has pretty much the same features and works nicely on nvidia dualhead...
[12:10] <jussi01> libervisco: do ask your question...?
[12:11] <coz_> jussi01,  no  the two are not quite the same and as I said I have to support compiz so its what I have to run
[12:11] <libervisco> there are a bunch of stuff.. but among the most annoying are the dots that appear on the top left part of the screen..
[12:11] <libervisco> and even flash sometimes..
[12:11] <libervisco> I'm using KDE 4.2.4 on kubuntu jaunty with Nvidia 9600GT (with installed drivers)
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> libervisco: do they appear no the normal deskto por when you run a particular app?
[12:12] <libervisco> desktop effects are enabled, plasma theme is glassified..
[12:12] <libervisco> they're above everything
[12:12] <libervisco> gonna upload a screenshot..
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> libervisco: ok, but are they triggered b a particular app running?
[12:13] <libervisco> hmm no as far as I can tell.. iirc they come up after login
[12:14] <libervisco> http://memenode.com/misc/dots.png
[12:14] <libervisco> http://memenode.com/misc/dots2.png
[12:15] <libervisco> it's like someone poked holes in it with a needle :D
[12:15] <coz_> same pattern o0
[12:16] <coz_> libervisco,  which video card is this out of curiosity?
[12:17] <libervisco> Zotac Geforce 9600GT
[12:17] <libervisco> just bought it.. (partly because of KDE4.. I was actually running windows 7 for a few weeks.. cause my old Radeon X800 was no longer supported with full drivers on linux)..
[12:20] <libervisco> hm that even shows when I turn off compositing..
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> libervisco: does it happen on more than one monitor, do you have one to test?
[12:23] <libervisco> ActionParsnip, no.. just this one..
[12:23] <libervisco> LCD, LG S1919S
[12:23] <libervisco> hm I could play with resolutions...
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> libervisco: makes sense, if they are in the same place and same size its the monitor
[12:24] <libervisco> I don't know about that.. then it should display everywhere else.. GNOME, Windows 7 etc.. and it doesn't
[12:25] <libervisco> changing resolution doesn't make it go away
[12:25] <coz_> libervisco,  out of curiousity ... are desktop effects enabled?
[12:25] <libervisco> also.. if it's the monitor how would I take a screenshot?
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> libervisco: but are the dots identical or have they chaged with the resolution?
[12:26] <libervisco> coz_, they were, I just disabled to see if it disappears, but it didn't so that doesn't make much difference..
[12:26] <libervisco> ActionParsnip, they changed.. on lower resolution everything is "bigger", including dots..
[12:26] <coz_> ah oh something is writing them to the desktop then
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> ok thats more information :)
[12:26] <libervisco> :)
[12:27] <libervisco> I wonder if anyone else had a similar issue..
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> libervisco: i use an onboard nvidia 6150 128mb, works awesomely but i dont use desktop effects or kde
[12:28] <libervisco> ah
[12:28] <coz_> libervisco,  when did this start happening?
[12:28] <libervisco> it's mostly weird glitches like this in KDE4.. I tried every game I could install, with maxed out settings.. the Nvidia card plus drivers is the awesomest 3D combination for linux..
[12:29] <zirikili> any help on using amarok 2 with ipod/iphone on kubuntu 9.04 ?
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> libervisco: amen!
[12:29] <libervisco> coz_, well.. this is a new install.. pretty much from the beginning..
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> !ipod | zirikili
[12:29] <ka> Hi. Anyone know why dropbox works fine on my laptop but not on my main PC? There is just a blank space in my system tray...
[12:29] <libervisco> I made a new install after putting the new card in
[12:29] <coz_> libervisco,  ooo  and you have already done all the updates etc?  and which nvidia driver are you using?
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> libervisco: full updated?
[12:29] <libervisco> yes
[12:29] <libervisco> and nvidia driver 180
[12:30] <libervisco> the "recommended" one
[12:30] <ka> !RockBox
[12:30] <coz_> libervisco,  right same here
[12:31] <libervisco> can't wait for 4.3 final... it might have some of this stuff fixed...
[12:31] <coz_> libervisco, well I am running the beta now  and it is really nice
[12:31] <coz_> libervisco,  although I have karmic istalled
[12:31] <libervisco> already? :D
[12:31] <libervisco> Karmis is still Alpha 2 right?
[12:31] <coz_> libervisco,  yeah its alpha 2 right now but seems to be just fine
[12:32] <libervisco> hehe
[12:32] <libervisco> I tried 4.3 beta 2 in a previous install, while I was still on Radeon X800.. and it was freezing like all other KDE4.. I guess the xorg driver and KDE4 don't play well..
[12:32] <coz_> libervisco,  i am actually quite impressed with kde 4.3 beta  I am a long time kde hater :)
[12:32] <libervisco> 4.2 would freeze too though so it's nothing specific about 4.3
[12:33] <coz_> libervisco,  sounds more like video driver issues
[12:33] <libervisco> yeah
[12:33] <libervisco> but there's no more freezing on the new nvidia :)
[12:33] <coz_> libervisco,  generally any freeze ups are video drivers problems
[12:34] <bryan__> I installed a program called Boxee, and now it runs for a sec and then exits. What should I try?
[12:34] <coz_> libervisco,  this dot pattern is strange
[12:35] <libervisco> yeah :S
[12:35] <coz_> libervisco,  it is the same pattern no matter what right?
[12:35] <libervisco> a bit related.. plasma elements sometimes leave trails behind them too..
[12:35] <libervisco> it seems so..
[12:35] <coz_> libervisco, mm  compiz running?
[12:36] <libervisco> the trail is more like.. when a plasma is closed, for example, the border of it partly remains until I move some window and it refreshes desktop..
[12:36] <libervisco> no compiz
[12:36] <coz_> libervisco, I did see that on 4.2.3
[12:36] <coz_> libervisco,  there were always ghost outlines of the windows  with plasma
[12:37] <libervisco> oh.. is that fixed in 4.3?
[12:37] <coz_> libervisco,  I have seen none of that so far
[12:37] <libervisco> great :)
[12:37] <coz_> libervisco,  actually it is much faster
[12:37] <libervisco> maybe I should upgrade..
[12:38] <coz_> libervisco,  and I have an nvidia 6600LE  with the 180.14 driver
[12:38] <coz_> libervisco,  your's should be flying
[12:38] <libervisco> yeah :)
[12:38] <coz_> libervisco,  give karmic a try
[12:39] <libervisco> that too.. it is kinda sluggish occasionally.. not a big deal but enough to be felt..
[12:39] <coz_> libervisco,  I never do upgrade on ubuntu but this time I decided to try
[12:39] <libervisco> like when minimizing a window it feels like it's not entirely smooth
[12:39] <coz_> libervisco,  well I am seeing none of that on the beta
[12:39] <libervisco> I'm thinking of getting the backport..
[12:40] <libervisco> full karmic still brings in a lot of the other stuff that could be unstable or work in progress.. :)
[12:41] <coz_> libervisco,  as I said it seems to be fine right now
[12:41] <coz_> libervisco,  this was a "throw away" install untill I upgraded
[12:46] <bryan__> how do i change from pulseaudio to alsa? I cant find where the setting is.
[12:50] <coz_> brad_,  system settings / multimedia?
[12:52] <bryan__> is there anyway to switch from kubunutu to ubunutu?
[12:52] <bryan__> \nick resnose
[12:53] <coz_> bryan__,  log off  username   then password but before you hit enter  click the "sessionis' button choose gnome
[12:53] <coz_> "sessions" button
[12:54] <bryan__> thanks :)
[12:54] <bryan__> coz_: thanks :)
[12:54] <coz_> brad_,  no problem :)
[12:58] <bryan_> coz_: i did not see an option for gnome.
[12:59] <coz_> brad_,  do you still have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[12:59] <bryan_> coz_: are you calling my brad?
[12:59] <coz_> sorry
[12:59] <coz_> bryan_,   that was for you
[13:00] <coz_> brad_,  sorry guy
[13:00] <coz_> bryan_,   do you still have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[13:00] <bryan_> coz_: ok. not sure if i do. i never installed it or anything.
[13:00] <coz_> brad_,  wait... when you installed ubuntu   did you install the gnome version or kubuntu?
[13:02] <coz_> brad_,  sorry again
[13:02] <coz_> bryan_,    did you install kubuntu or ubuntu
[13:06] <coz_> bryan_,  if you installed kubuntu  and nothing else then you wont be able to use gnome until you install   ubuntu-desktop
[13:06] <coz_> brad_,   then "gnome" will show up in the "sessions":  when you log on
[13:07] <coz_> brad_,  sorry again I leave her after this
[13:08] <coz_> bryan_,   then "gnome" wiill show up under "Sessions" during log in
[13:08] <coz_> bryan_,  in which case the command would be  sudo apt-get install ubuntu -desktop
[13:12] <adurit> hey all
[13:40] <e66> how can I configure apt so that packages in /var/cache/apt/packages are never deleted/removed???
[13:46] <buzan> Hi. I have just installed kubuntu 9.04. Is there a graphical software updater?
[13:47] <bryan_> buzan: what are you trying to update?
[13:47] <buzan> I would like to install a few more apps.
[13:47] <beatzz> How do you access the Folder View Settings menu if your Desktop Folder has been closed???
[13:47] <e66> buzan: yes, adept. from gtk flavour use synaptic
[13:48] <bryan_> buzan: yes there is adapt
[13:48] <bryan_> buzan: i mean adept
[13:48] <beatzz> My friends new system, he closed the nice clear looking desktop folder on his desktop, that had all of his icons in it
[13:48] <beatzz> and he hasent been able to get it back
[13:48] <e66> Its been so long I didnt get my cds shipped.
[13:48] <beatzz> when I right click on mine it gives me "Folder View Settings"
[13:49] <beatzz> where it looks like the place where he could turn his back on
[13:49] <buzan> I don't seem to have adept..
[13:51] <buzan> It's ok, I have it installed now but it is browse only.
[13:52] <buzan> I'm not used to sudo, I have always avoided it.
[13:54] <shadeslayer> how do i set transperency in konsole?
[13:55] <buzan> How do I improve the screen resolution? I am on 800x600 atm...
[13:55] <shadeslayer> !resolution | buzan
[13:55] <ubott2> buzan: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[13:56] <shadeslayer> never mind,i found it
[14:20] <Rob_Stan> this is my first text on IRC
[14:20] <Rob_Stan> Hmm - That was exicing:)
[14:26] <Guest57216> hi all
[14:27] <wd4lko> hi guest57216
[14:34] <buzan> How do I run debconf?
[14:34] <buzan> I have tried a few switches, but it's not interested
[14:37] <shadeslayer> anyone have the gpg key for neon?? i cant find it anywhere
[14:42] <buzan> kubuntu is no good. The resolution is sit, 800x600. I should double that. The configuration is al hidden, the software is all locked up. The whole point of *ubuntu was to make life easy for us. It is terrible. Mandriva may be unfriendly at installing sources, but at least I can configure the resolution and install some packages without too muck help!!
[14:42] <buzan> s/sit/shit s/muck/much
[14:42] <bazhang> buzan, please don't curse here
[14:43] <shadeslayer> buzan: did you see !resolution?
[14:43] <buzan> what is !resolution
[14:43] <buzan> ??
[14:43] <shadeslayer> !resolution | buzan
[14:43] <ubott2> buzan: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[14:44] <shadeslayer> buzan: also go to K > system settings > display and try setting it from there
[14:44] <buzan> I tried that. It hung my system fromn a tree
[14:44] <shadeslayer> buzan: ok go to K > system settings > display (i hope you have KDE)
[14:45] <buzan> I have a choice of 2, Win-3.1 or win-3.1
[14:45] <shadeslayer> buzan: ??
[14:45] <buzan> 640x480 or 800x600
[14:46] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:46] <buzan> mandriva will let me guess and test
[14:47] <shadeslayer> buzan: see the portion which says Setting resolution changes in xorg.conf in : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[14:47] <shadeslayer> buzan: whats your graphics card btw ?
[14:49] <fabrizio_> ciao!
[14:49] <fabrizio_> ciao a tutti!
[14:49] <shadeslayer> buzan: what happened??
[14:50] <fabrizio_> list/
[14:50] <buzan> my graphics is nvidia, but should do 1900x1600ish
[14:50] <shadeslayer> buzan: ok press alt+F2 and type " jockey-kde "
[14:52] <fabrizio_> ciao!
[14:52] <shadeslayer> buzan: did the driver installer come up??
[14:54] <buzan> I am updating the driver 173 to 180
[14:54] <shadeslayer> buzan: please do so :)
[14:54] <buzan> btw run command don't work!
[14:54] <shadeslayer> buzan: alt+F2 ??
[14:54] <buzan> used konsole
[14:55] <shadeslayer> buzan: in a console type krunner
[14:55] <buzan> in a mo
[14:55] <buzan> still updating
[14:55] <shadeslayer> buzan: start another tab!!
[14:56] <buzan> segmentation fault
[14:56] <buzan> for krunner
[14:56] <shadeslayer> buzan: ...
[14:56] <shadeslayer> buzan: you have bigger problems :P
[14:57] <buzan> I'm off for a bit to calm down. The computer needs a reboot anyway. (where have I heard that before?)
[15:12] <phalmy> heyo. I've just installed jaunty, but kde 4 is giving me gray hairs. Is it possible to revert to kde without too much acrobatics?
[15:12] <phalmy> revert to kde 3 *
[15:12] <max_> Hi, I seem to have a problem. Any time i close Ktorrent, next time i resume it i get errors from what ever was downloading saying it cant find the data and that it needs to recreate the files. So if i have something that is 98% done, and i close ktorrent, when i open it back up it has to start back from 0%. Does anyone know what its doing this?
[15:16] <ToreadorVampire> Hmm, this seems somewhat unscientific, but has anyone else experienced FF 3 being "significantly slower" in Kubuntu Jaunty than it was in Kubuntu Hardy?
[15:17] <ToreadorVampire> FF in Jaunty quite frequently stops dead and sits there for about 10-20 seconds, especially when opening new pages, and especially in .js/AJAX-heavy sites such as Facebook and Google Mail
[15:18] <ToreadorVampire> Didn't have the problem in Hardy though
[15:18] <ToreadorVampire> It's one of the few remaining "little things" that is stopping me from completing the switch from Hardy to Jaunty (along with my annoying copy-paste problem)
[15:21] <TMKCodes> Hey someone can help me out a bit? My OpenGL does not work. Got Ati Mobile Radeon X1100 gfx card
[15:27] <ka> Toreador FF sucks at ajax heavy siterendering...
[15:28] <ka> I just heard of a review of Chrome for linux which handles ja much better.
[15:28] <ToreadorVampire> ka> Er, yeah, I know it's not great at it - but AFAIK "the same version of FF" worked much better under Hardy
[15:29] <ka> Maybe try it out it's alpha though so your milage may vary.
[15:29] <ka> I just heard of a review of Chrome for linux which handles ja much better.
[15:30] <ToreadorVampire> ka> I mean, the difference is "FF takes 0.5 seconds to render a page in Hardy" against "The FF UI locks up totally and doesn't respond to anything for 10-20 seconds in Jaunty"
[15:30] <ToreadorVampire> And AFAIK it's the same core FF version between them
[15:31] <ToreadorVampire> Also, if Chrome is only alpha in Linux then I may as well install and run minefield, which means I would get Tracemonkey which is pretty much all of the benefits of Chrome anyway
[15:31] <ka> Sounds like a bug to me. But if it's ubuntu or FF seems hard to determine. Give me a link and I'll check it out.
[15:31] <ToreadorVampire> ka>  A link?
[15:32] <ka> To a page tha locks up FF
[15:32] <ToreadorVampire> ka> Oh, erm, take your pick from Facebook, Google Mail, or "just about anything" - it's intermittent - it doesn't always lock up
[15:33] <ToreadorVampire> ka> But - I've been using FF3 on Jaunty for a month or so now and "out of the many times it does lock up" it happens most on sites that are .js heavy
[15:34] <ka> Hm I use gmail everyday, all day, with no problemos. Maybe it's your Ff profile?
[15:34] <ToreadorVampire> ka> Possibly, I could trash it I guess and recreate - I have a bunch of extensions installed, but they're no different to the bunch I have installed on Hardy
[15:35] <ToreadorVampire> Hmm, --profilemanager IIRC
[15:35] <ka> In fact FF used to lock up in 8.10 but then I thrashed my profile and problem was solved...
[15:36] <ToreadorVampire> Gah
[15:37] <ToreadorVampire> New FF appeared, locked up, clicked "x" twice, and the close button for xchat as right underneath the FF window, thus closed xchat by accident
[15:37] <ka> So anyone know how I sync files to a sd card but let me skipp files bigger than say 5kb?
[15:37] <ka> ToreadorVampire: I hate it when that happens
[15:40] <ka> Or said another way: How can I sync my entire folder directory to my phones sd card but skip the big files?
[15:43] <ka> OK easier question: How come konqueror is a faster filebrowser than dolphin. Even though they use the same backend for filbrowsing?
[15:48] <genncelen> ciao a tutti
[15:51] <ToreadorVampire> ka> Dunno, but I don't use Dolphin, mainly because I dislike it's UI
[15:51] <ToreadorVampire> And whilst I could reconfigure it's UI to be "how I like it", that would result in reconfiguring dolphin to look identical to konqueror ... so ... feels like a waste of time :)
[15:52] <Dragnslcr> ToreadorVampire- you're getting a lot of 2-3 second freezes in Firefox?
[15:58] <ToreadorVampire> Dragnslcr> Yes, actually, a lot of them are lasting longer ... I'll try out that suggestion ka made though - just create a new/fresh FF profile and remove the old/original one
[15:58] <ToreadorVampire> But it'll take me a while to reconfigure that new profile to the same standard as my main profile - I have a number of extensions and configs that I absolutely cannot live without
[15:58] <ToreadorVampire> And I'm mid-project atm
[16:01] <Dragnslcr> I've had the same problem lately. Dunno if it's something in the newer versions of Firefox
[16:01]  * ToreadorVampire shrugs
[16:01] <ToreadorVampire> I didn't have the problem when I was using Hardy
[16:02] <ka> ToreadorVampire: Yeah I had the same problem. But surprisingly most of the config stuff from my broken profile was easy to import int the new one...
[16:02] <Dragnslcr> I don't remember it being a problem when I first installed 9.04
[16:28] <Edulix> hi
[16:29] <Edulix> does ubuntu 9.04 have any problem with acer aspire one? because I read it has problems with intel drivers
[16:30] <zettlm> don't think so.. ;)
[16:33] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, there were some issues with the Intel video drivers
[16:33] <Dragnslcr> !intel
[17:23] <footo9000> hi
 lol
[17:25] <corigo> reading and writing to the apple file system... which package?
[17:34] <borden> corigo: 'hfsplus' and 'hfsutils' what u lookin for, first google 'em they may be outdated somehow
[18:26] <www_> подскажите как порты открыть на kubunte
[18:27] <genii> !ru | www_
[18:30] <buzan> kubuntu is coming to me a bit, got software installation and some graphics control. I'm a bit suprised that flightgear is so out of date! It should be up to 1.9.1 by now!
[18:31] <buzan> As it stands, I have to install it from source, which is no problem for me, but a slight shock!
[18:31] <eric___> i have a second internal hard drive that i want to auto-mount when i login. at present, i have to give dolphin my password when i want to view the contents. how do i fix this?
[18:34] <eric___> hello?
[18:39] <buzan> eric2, luckily i had no problems with a second hard drive with kubuntu. Did you mount it as part of the setup?
[18:40] <eric2> buzan: you mean during the OS install? no.
[18:40] <eric2> i've been poking around google, and i think i need to add a line to fstab
[18:40] <buzan> maybe then you need to make a line in fstab to point to its partitions
[18:40] <buzan> me slow typist!
[18:41] <eric2> i'm trying to figure out how to do that now :P
[18:41] <buzan> I wonder where the hardware manager is???
[18:41] <eric2> back in kde3, there was a hard drive section in the system settings
[18:41] <eric2> you could do it through the gui
[18:41] <buzan> let me have a little look in my fstab
[18:41] <eric2> i miss that
[18:42] <buzan> uurgh! used uuid serial numbers! not nice!
[18:43] <buzan> UUID=A614288A14286013 /mnt/largespace ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[18:43] <eric2> icky
[18:44] <buzan> each partition has a different code....
[18:45] <eric2> i tried something... gonna re-login and see if it works
[18:45] <buzan> ok
[18:47] <buzan> I notice there is no hardware manager as such.....
[18:48] <buzan> so getting a wireless keyboard working needs a reboot, and as for eric2's partitions, there is nothing except rerun the CD!
[18:49] <buzan> any luck eric_
[18:49] <buzan> ?
[18:50] <eric_> still tweaking fstab
[19:01] <borden> hi all
[19:01] <borden> there is no konqueror specific debug symbol package in the repo, any ideas?
[19:14] <TMKCodes> Hey. Anyone can help out? I am running kubuntu 9.04 with ati mobile radeon x1100 and my opengl does not work havent changed anything from the driver setup after installing kubuntu
[19:19] <TMKCodes> Hey. Anyone can help out? I am running kubuntu 9.04 with ati mobile radeon x1100 and my opengl does not work havent changed anything from the driver setup after installing kubuntu
[19:20] <Captain_Haddock> Hi, what's the ideal way of VNC-ing into a Linux box from Windows?
[19:21] <ubsafder> hello how do i erase all my comand history in the shell ?
[19:21] <Pici> ubsafder: delete the ~/.bash_history file
[19:27] <Captain_Haddock> anybody? I'm using jaunty and there are a number of options for VNC
[19:30] <rens> hi.
[19:31] <rens> ....?
[19:31] <Unksi> hi
[19:35] <Mamarok> rens: hi
[19:35] <afonso> Salut, every body!!!
[19:36] <afonso> Anyone speak french in this hall chat??
[19:36] <makaveli> is anybody here
[19:37] <afonso> HALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[19:37] <makaveli> wasssuup
[19:37] <makaveli> hm...
[19:37] <Unksi> !fr | afonso
[19:37] <Unksi> hi
[19:37] <makaveli> This is my first time on kubuntu...
[19:38] <makaveli> any tips? :)
[19:38] <Unksi> ask here if you have problems :)
[19:38] <Unksi> kpackagekit/adept is a good way to install new programs
[19:38] <makaveli> there is no problem so far
[19:38] <Unksi> thats good :)
[19:38] <makaveli> one ?
[19:38] <makaveli> how do I install programs into OS
[19:39] <Unksi> in kmenu (that blue K button in lower left corner), find KPackageKit and search and install :)
[19:41] <makaveli> I have 4 blocked software updates
[19:41] <TMKCodes> Hey. Anyone can help out? I am running kubuntu 9.04 with ati mobile radeon x1100 and my opengl does not work havent changed anything from the driver setup after installing kubuntu
[19:41] <Unksi> thats been a common problem in the last few days
[19:42] <TMKCodes> makaveli: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:42] <makaveli> wow TMK I dont get it :)) can u tell me what is that
[19:42] <TMKCodes> makaveli: open terminal and write that command
[19:43] <Unksi> makaveli: type that into "konsole", you will find it from the same blue kmenu
[19:43] <dksoba88> hola
[19:44] <Unksi> hi
[19:44] <Unksi> !es | dksoba88
[19:44] <dksoba88> wait wait wait no no
[19:44] <dksoba88> I don't speak Spanish
[19:44] <Unksi> ok :p
[19:44] <dksoba88> haha I just live in San Diego
[19:44] <Unksi> heh :D
[19:45] <Unksi> thats nice :p
[19:45] <Unksi> how come? work?
[19:45] <dksoba88> I can speak a bit of Mandarin Chinese but ehh... it's getting rusty
[19:45] <dksoba88> I go to UCSD
[19:45] <dksoba88> (Mechanical Engineering)
[19:45] <Unksi> ahh ok :)
[19:45] <Unksi> whole degree or just exchange?
[19:45] <dksoba88> undergraduate
[19:45] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: are you there?
[19:45] <dksoba88> whole degree but I'm a transfer student
[19:45] <Unksi> ok :)
[19:45] <Unksi> i just did an exchange year in uk
[19:45] <dksoba88> Unksi: where's home?
[19:46] <Unksi> finland
[19:46] <makaveli> I do that
[19:46] <TMKCodes> Unksi, help out on my opengl problem. :P
[19:46] <makaveli> and he is installing somehing
[19:46] <makaveli> wtf
[19:46] <dksoba88> Unksi: sweet. My cousin just went to UK for a year...well he'll be back in August anyways
[19:46] <rens> Im the best! :D
[19:47] <Unksi> TMKCodes: you could try installing fgrlx from jockey or kpackagekit, thats as far as i can help with ati :/
[19:47] <TMKCodes> rens: I will belive it when you tell me how the heck i get my opengl to work on the open source drivers
[19:47] <Unksi> dksoba88: :) yeah its a nice place.. for temporary placement :D
[19:47] <dksoba88> I just installed Kubuntu 9.04 and I was messing around with the OS and widgets and stuff and I seemed to lose the default task bar/program launcher thingy
[19:47] <TMKCodes> Unksi: not for x1100 card
[19:47] <dksoba88> how can I get it back?
[19:47] <Unksi> ok
[19:47] <compilerwriter> Where would one begin to try to figure out why a fresh install of Jaunty boots only into console mode?  I can startx, but then windows runs so slowly I can barely stand it.
[19:47] <makaveli> hey TMK whats this command is for "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[19:48] <TMKCodes> makaveli: Super user package update command
[19:48] <Unksi> dksoba88: the kmenu? right click on desktop, select add widgets and find it from there, then drag to panel
[19:48] <compilerwriter> makaveli that will upgrade your entire your system to the next distribution
[19:48] <TMKCodes> makaveli: that command will install the blocked updates
[19:48] <makaveli> Im using 9,04
[19:48] <JabberWokky> makaveli: "Upgrade all packages and upgrade to the next major version"
[19:49] <Unksi> compilerwriter: not necessarily next, but all packages currently available
[19:49] <dksoba88> Unksi: thanks helps to know it's called kmenu... last time I used linux was like 5 years ago (Mandrake Linux)
[19:49] <makaveli> ok thank u guys
[19:49] <Unksi> :D
[19:49] <JabberWokky> makaveli: "Upgrade all packages and upgrade to the next major version if available"
[19:49] <yao_ziyuan> update-notifier doesn't work in my kubuntu 9.04
[19:49] <TMKCodes> Unksi: isn't the menu called kickoff?
[19:49] <Unksi> its called application launcher in that list
[19:49] <yao_ziyuan> update-notifier-kde is too buggy/memory hogging
[19:49] <yao_ziyuan> and slow.
[19:49] <compilerwriter> packagekit doesn'
[19:49] <yao_ziyuan> what can i do?
[19:50] <compilerwriter> t work for me.
[19:50] <Unksi> TMKCodes: kickoff was the panel in kde3, doesnt exist in kde4
[19:50] <Unksi> it was replaced by plasma
[19:50] <compilerwriter> I am about to do a fresh install of ibex anc skip Jaunty altogether.
[19:50] <yao_ziyuan> compilerwriter: packagekit doesn't check a downloaded package's signature
[19:50] <TMKCodes> Unksi: kd4 menu say's its name is kickoff still.
[19:50] <Unksi> oh :p
[19:51] <Unksi> its a plasma applet nowadays tho
[19:51] <Unksi> instead of being its own program
[19:51] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: here
[19:53] <Captain_Haddock> Hi, what's the ideal way of VNC-ing into a Linux box from Windows? I'm using jaunty and there are a number of options for VNC.
[19:53] <TMKCodes> Captain_Haddock: i'm using myself KDESVN client
[19:53] <Captain_Haddock> SVN?
[19:53] <TMKCodes> sorry, hups :P
[19:54] <Captain_Haddock> TMKCodes: :)
[19:54] <TMKCodes> Captain_Haddock: KRDC can connect to VNC server and to windows
[19:55] <Captain_Haddock> I want it the other way around, TMKCodes - remote access to Kubuntu from a Windows or another Kubuntu box
[19:55] <dksoba88> Unksi: it seems like application launcher just brings up the "start menu" so to speak from windows terms
[19:55] <Unksi> yeah
[19:55] <dksoba88> but the whole bar thingy with my clock and stuff is gone
[19:55] <dksoba88> do I have to reconstruct that w/widgets?
[19:55] <Unksi> ahh
[19:55] <Unksi> yeah
[19:55] <TMKCodes> Captain_Haddock: just use vnc :)
[19:55] <Captain_Haddock> dksoba88: I think it's just called a panel or something
[19:56] <Unksi> or you can restore ALL kde settings to defaults by removing .kde and relogging
[19:56] <Unksi> note that will affect every kde-based software
[19:56] <Captain_Haddock> TMKCodes: which one? :o I'll need a VNC server, presumably
[19:56] <Captain_Haddock> dksoba88: rename rather than remove :P
[19:56] <dksoba88> Unksi: probably should do something like that
[19:56] <Captain_Haddock> it's very drastic
[19:56] <Unksi> yeah, rename is better :p
[19:56] <Captain_Haddock> dksoba88: just try adding a panel... it's not too difficult
[19:57] <TMKCodes> Captain_Haddock: realvnc :/
[19:57] <Dragnslcr> Captain_Haddock- you can use krfb to set up a VNC server
[19:57] <Captain_Haddock> instead of "Add widgets", do "Add panel"
[19:57] <Captain_Haddock> Dragnslcr: ah, cheers.
[19:58] <Captain_Haddock> Dragnslcr: is there any way I can also log into the system using it?
[19:58] <Dragnslcr> Captain_Haddock- there are several other VNC servers as well (I use x11vnc), as well as xrdp for the Windows Remote Desktop program
[19:58] <dksoba88> Captain_Haddock: no "add panel" button
[19:58] <dksoba88> Captain_Haddock: take it back
[19:59] <dksoba88> Captain_Haddock: "add panel" is actually next to add widget but not in the "add widgets" window
[19:59] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: sorry for the late response but i sucessfully installed kde-nightly :)
[19:59] <TMKCodes> Wheepsakes.. Wants my opengl to work so i can code some sfml :/
[19:59] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: nice :)
[19:59] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i had to reinstall the complete system.....btw how do i add the google gadgets?
[19:59] <Captain_Haddock> Dragnslcr: I see.. as in Windows remote desktop vs. the VNC protocol?
[19:59] <dksoba88> Captain_Haddock: Thanks for making me do that panels are pretty friggin' sweet
[20:00] <Captain_Haddock> dksoba88: I just right click on the desktop to get that menu
[20:00] <Captain_Haddock> :)
[20:00] <Dragnslcr> Captain_Haddock- yup. I've never used it, though, so I'm not sure how well it works
[20:00] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: don't know if this is installable right now
[20:00] <TMKCodes> well RDP has some hacks before sp3 in xp :P
[20:00] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yeah,cause i click the add button and nothing happens :)
[20:00] <dksoba88> Captain_Haddock: is there a way to add a widget that's on your desktop right onto a panel?
[20:01] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: the widget you are talking about, right?
[20:01] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: but anyways if nightly is anything to go by....4.3 will rock :)
[20:01] <Mamarok> 4.3 does rock :)
[20:01] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yeah...the google gadgets thing in nightly
[20:01] <Captain_Haddock> dksoba88: rightclick on the panel itself and "add widget".. I think you can also drag stuff from the "add widget" list
[20:01] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: is it a plasma widget your are taling about?
[20:01] <Mamarok> talking
[20:02] <Captain_Haddock> Mamarok: you have a changelog handy by any chance? :)
[20:02] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: oh and i have the default oxygen theme,where can i find the one in the screenshot
[20:02] <dksoba88> Captain_Haddock: ic cool thanks
[20:02] <Mamarok> "gdget thing" is not a good definition....
[20:02] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: no,google gadgets in the add widget thing
[20:02] <Mamarok> Captain_Haddock: changelog of what?
[20:02] <Captain_Haddock> Mamarok: KDE 4.2 -> 4.3
[20:02] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: that's what I was talking about, it's third party, ping the author for that
[20:02]  * Captain_Haddock googles
[20:03] <Mamarok> Captain_Haddock: no, but it certainly is available online or in SVN
[20:03] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ok,what about the theme ?
[20:03] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: all the stuff in kde-apps.org and kde-look.org is third party, so you need to check with the author there
[20:04] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:04] <dark_> hallo welt
[20:04] <TMKCodes> Hey. Anyone can help out? I am running kubuntu 9.04 with ati mobile radeon x1100 and my opengl does not work havent changed anything from the driver setup after installing kubuntu
[20:06] <Mamarok> TMKCodes: hm, that's probably a driver problem from ATI-AMD, the fglrx driver doesn't support all cards anymore...
[20:06] <TMKCodes> Mamarok: i know that fglrx does not work on my card, i'm not trying to get it work, but the damn open source drivers dont work either :P
[20:07] <TMKCodes> well open source works except for opengl
[20:07] <Mamarok> TMKCodes: well it certainly does work, it just doesn't support 3D with OpenGL
[20:07] <Mamarok> TMKCodes: also, free drivers are reverse engineered, so patience, if it were that simple
[20:07] <TMKCodes> Mamarok: it does support
[20:07] <Mamarok> complaint to ATI, might one day be efficient
[20:08] <Mamarok> TMKCodes: you are sure you have the correct dirver installed then?
[20:08] <Captain_Haddock> "Mandelbrot fractals as real-time computed wallpaper "
[20:08] <Captain_Haddock> whee
[20:08] <Mamarok> Captain_Haddock: if you really want very good fractal artwork, use electric sheep
[20:09] <TMKCodes> Mamarok: DRI should work out of box with my card :/
[20:09] <Mamarok> TMKCodes: well, it should also with mine, but it doesn't....
[20:09]  * Mamarok has an ATI Radeon HD 3650
[20:09] <makaveli> is kubuntu using some kind of antiviruses?
[20:09] <TMKCodes> Mamarok: :P
[20:09] <Mamarok> makaveli: you don't need that in Linux
[20:09] <Captain_Haddock> electricsheep - screensaver showing collective dream of sleeping computers LOL
[20:09] <makaveli> how?
[20:10] <Mamarok> makaveli: but if you insist, install klamav
[20:10] <Unksi> makaveli: nope, because there isnt really any viruses for linux out in the wild
[20:10] <Captain_Haddock> makaveli: nobody is really out there making viruses for Linux, yet.
[20:10] <TMKCodes> Mamarok: i just think all my extensions are somewhere down there.. :/
[20:10] <makaveli> thats cool Unksi :)
[20:10] <Mamarok> and even if there were, as Linux is a closed system you would have to install it yourself, and nobody does that I hope :)
[20:11] <Mamarok> TMKCodes: extensions?
[20:11] <Captain_Haddock> makaveli: it's also relatively a lot safer compared to Windows as the system files are protected by default
[20:11] <makaveli> Ok Cap
[20:12] <TMKCodes> makaveli: http://paste.ubuntu.com/201639/
[20:13] <Captain_Haddock> TMKCodes: wrong nick
[20:13] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: just don't install stuff from SVN, we will all refuse to give support if you do that...
[20:13] <makaveli> Is that 4 me?
[20:13] <TMKCodes> Captain_Haddock: Wrong nick?
[20:14] <TMKCodes> hups yeah, wrong nick xD
[20:14] <TMKCodes> Mamarok: http://paste.ubuntu.com/201639/ :P
[20:14] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: oh...
[20:14]  * shadeslayer stops
[20:15] <TronX> hi
[20:16] <buzan> in Grub menu.lst, does sd0,0  point to sda1?
[20:16] <havocologe> where can i enable ssh to be run in kubuntu no matter what runlevel the system is in ?
[20:17] <dksoba88> I installed Kubuntu because I need a linux install for my research but now that it's installed I don't really want to go back to my windows install haha
[20:17] <Mamarok> TMKCodes: same here, the free driver doesn't support it, you can have elementar stuff like transparency with XRender, but not with OpenGL
[20:17] <Captain_Haddock> :)
[20:18] <TMKCodes> Mamarok: Goes and hangs myself :P
[20:18] <Mamarok> TMKCodes: well, welcome to the cruel world of closed source drivers
[20:18] <TMKCodes> Mamarok: Yeah. :/
[20:18] <TronX> im copying some files but plasma crashed. but how can i check the progress now?
[20:19] <Mamarok> TronX: well, plasma should restart itself
[20:19] <Mamarok> TronX: close the bug handler window if there is one and let it restart
[20:19] <TronX> but im still copying files
[20:20] <TronX> but the icon in the tray is gone
[20:20] <TronX> so how can i check the progress
[20:20] <Captain_Haddock> did plasma restart?
[20:20] <TronX> no it didnt
[20:20] <Mamarok> TronX: then restart it in a konsole
[20:20] <Captain_Haddock> you closed that bug report window?
[20:21] <TronX> it just crashed
[20:21] <Captain_Haddock> TronX: what he said... type "plasma &" in a terminal
[20:21] <TronX> when i restart plasma manually the notify icon is gone
[20:21] <Captain_Haddock> ah
[20:22] <Captain_Haddock> well, if you like, you can just monitor the destination directory
[20:22] <Captain_Haddock> file / directory sizes etc.
[20:22] <Captain_Haddock> I have no idea how to get the progress indicator back
[20:22] <Mamarok> TronX: well, open the kde system monitor and check if the process is still going on, else check with Dolphin if it copied correctly
[20:22] <Captain_Haddock> perhaps if you copy another file concurrently, the applet will come back and display the original operation as well.
[20:23] <TronX> i'll try
[20:25] <peabody> basic scripting question: I've got a directory with 150 subdirectories, and I want to run a script in each of the directories to organize files.. how do I do that?
[20:26] <peabody> I just did a disk recovery and I've got a bajillion directories with a handful of my documents, images, etc and I want to throw them in different directories by extension, and I've wrote a script that I can run in each directory but I don't want to change into each subdirectory and run it when I know you can script that too
[20:27] <TronX> Captain_Haddock:  didn't work
[20:28] <Mamarok> peabody: make a recursive call then
[20:28] <Mamarok> TronX: plasma crashing doesn't remove the copying process, check the system monitor for the process and the destination folder
[20:29] <TronX> yeah but i'm working on a live system
[20:29] <TronX> it takes much time
[20:29] <TronX> shit
[20:30] <TronX> now the whole system crashed
[20:36] <dksoba88> anyone know how to make a gesture for using "present windows"
[20:41] <PSiL0> is it possible to compile qt 4.5.x in intrepid?
[20:51] <commander_> is it possible to install ubuntu inside kubuntu?
[20:51] <hydrogen> install the ubuntu-desktop package
[20:52] <commander_> the reason i asked is because i getting GNOME desktop on here and wasngs can be run on this desktop? wondering if all the same thi
[21:00] <TronX> fuck
[21:00] <TronX> it crashed again
[21:00] <TronX> wtf is going on?
[21:00] <commander_> hello
[21:00] <Pici> !language
[21:01] <Rosa____> hallo
[21:03] <dksoba88> are there gestures in kde 4?
[21:06] <Captain_Haddock> makaveli; they are very likely kernel updates... I use the commandline to update stuff... when I do that, I do sudo apt-get install <paste 4 blocked apps here> to install them
[21:06] <Captain_Haddock> um, oops
[21:07] <Captain_Haddock> I was using vnc and mistakenly answered a question from ages ago.. scrolling error :/
[21:08] <orion76> help
[21:09] <orion76> NVidia nForce2 with CMI9761A+ at irq 21
[21:09] <orion76> NVidia nForce2 with CMI9761A+ at irq 21
[21:15] <orion76> ALSA и 5.1
[21:15] <orion76> NVidia nForce2 with CMI9761A+ at irq 21
[21:15] <orion76> ?
[21:15] <FloodBotK1> orion76: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:17] <Mamarok> orion76: please make understandable questions, all in one line
[21:28] <ali1234> hi. does kde4 compositing work with the newest virtualbox mesa passthru stuff?
[21:43] <Styx993> hello
[21:44] <Styx993> is anyone here?
[21:45] <Styx993> or you can just
[21:45] <Styx993> you know
[21:45] <Styx993> ignore me
[21:48] <Styx993> anyone here know how to work the kubuntu version update?
[21:49] <Styx993> sooo
[21:49] <Styx993> anyone here alive or anything?
[21:52] <Styx993> wow, this is a useless irc channel, amirite?
[21:52] <Styx993> or are you all busy fapping?
[21:52] <Dragnslcr> Styx993- it's pretty quiet around here this afternoon. You also might try asking a specific question
[21:52] <Dragnslcr> !language | Styx993
[21:52] <Styx993> i see
[21:53] <Styx993> well, halfway through the download of kubuntu 9.01, my connection died
[21:53] <Styx993> is there a way to get the updater back?
[21:55] <shadeslayer> Styx993: it always starts from the point it left
[21:56] <Styx993> it is gone now
[21:56] <Styx993> it decided to not start back up
[21:56] <shadeslayer> Styx993: so,whatever apt downloaded wont be downloaded again
[21:56] <Styx993> how do i start it back up?
[21:56] <shadeslayer> Styx993: is this a download of the ISO ?
[21:56] <Styx993> im upgrading from kubuntu 8
[21:56] <Styx993> no
[21:56] <Dragnslcr> Styx993- open /etc/apt/sources.list, look for the word "jaunty"
[21:56] <shadeslayer> Styx993: ah...upgrade
[21:56] <Styx993> k, 1 second
[21:57] <shadeslayer> Styx993: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade in a terminal
[21:57] <Styx993> my computer is moving at the blazing speed of frozen molasses
[21:57] <Styx993> aah, thank you
[21:57] <Styx993> thats what i needed
[21:57] <Dragnslcr> Styx993- if you see "jaunty" for all the sources instead of "intrepid", you can just do a normal update to get the rest of the packages you need
[21:58] <Styx993> k
[21:58] <Styx993> thx
[21:58] <Styx993> and theyre all intrepid still
[22:00] <shadeslayer> Styx993: change them to jaunty
[22:01] <shadeslayer> Styx993: search for a clean jaunty sources.list (google) and replace it with your sources.list and then dist-upgrade
[22:02] <Styx993> k, thank you
[22:11] <PapaChub> How can I configure the Terminal Bell in "konsole" (Jaunty) ? I can't find it under "Settings -> Edit Current Profile..."
[22:12] <Riddell> topicdiff: Tutorials Monday 19:00UTC https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay
[22:12] <Styx993> thanks for the help, shadeslayer and DragnsIcr
[22:12] <shadeslayer> Styx993: no problem
[22:14] <ign0ramus> hey Walzmyn
[22:17] <andrew__> I'm a bit diasappointed that I can't boot Windows or another Linux partition. Windows is on a scsi based sda1 and LFS is on effectively ide 0 slave, hdb7. kubuntu is on hdb5
[22:19] <andrew__> using sd0,0 for windows in my menu.lst is a parsing error
[22:19] <ikonia> how is that anything to do with kubuntu ?
[22:19] <Styx993> did you try hd0,0?
[22:20] <andrew__> hd0,0 is an invalid or unsupportable executable format
[22:20] <Styx993> for windows are you using chainloader +1?
[22:20] <ikonia> andrew__: sd0,0 is not a valid format
[22:21] <ikonia> andrew__: grub uses disks with "hd" pre-appenend
[22:21] <andrew__> Styx, yes
[22:21] <andrew__> as prepared by the kubuntu system itself.
[22:21] <Styx993> hmm
[22:22] <ikonia> andrew__: can you boot kubuntu yes/no ?
[22:22] <Styx993> wait, unsupported executable format for windows?
[22:22] <andrew__> kubuntu yes, anything else, no
[22:22] <andrew__> Styx, yes
[22:22] <ikonia> andrew__: ok - so the problem is the menu.lst config for the other OS's
[22:22] <Styx993> that's weird, it shouldnt look at that...
[22:23] <shadeslayer> where can i find the ktorrent plasmoid source?
[22:23] <ikonia> in the repo
[22:23] <ikonia> with the source for all the other packages
[22:23] <ikonia> shadeslayer: if there is a package for it - there is a source package
[22:23] <shadeslayer> ikonia: ok..but i need the tarball of it to be specific so that i can do plasmapkg -i <tarball>
[22:24] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, check out 'plasma-widget-ktorrent'
[22:24] <ikonia> shadeslayer: then look on the website
[22:24] <shadeslayer> ign0ramus: um...i have that installed..i need it on kde-nightly
[22:24] <shadeslayer> ikonia: whose website?
[22:24] <ikonia> shadeslayer: then you are not supported here
[22:24] <ikonia> shadeslayer: as you well know
[22:24] <shadeslayer> ikonia: i just need the source...
[22:24] <ikonia> shadeslayer: then you are not supported here
[22:24] <shadeslayer> im not asking for kde-nightly support
[22:24] <ikonia> shadeslayer: then you are not supported here
[22:25] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, check here: http://ktorrent.org/?q=downloads
[22:25] <shadeslayer> ign0ramus: nope
[22:25] <ikonia> shadeslayer: stop asking pleaqse
[22:25] <ikonia> please
[22:25] <shadeslayer> ikonia: im just asking for the tarball...whats the harm>
[22:25] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, if the widget is not part of the tarball, i don't know what else to say
[22:26] <shadeslayer> *?
[22:26] <ikonia> shadeslayer: because it's not supported
[22:26] <ikonia> shadeslayer: stop asking please
[22:26] <shadeslayer> ikonia: if you say so
[22:28] <andrew__> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/201715/ - my menu.lst
[22:30] <ikonia> andrew__: for some reason that pastebin is timing out
[22:33] <andrew__> Okay, try http://pastebin.com/m349d24b2
[22:33] <commander_> does anyone have cairo dock?
[22:34] <ikonia> andrew__: you have modified that file
[22:34] <andrew__> so? the original was useless for anything else
[22:35] <andrew__> if it worked I wouldn't have tried to fix it!
[22:35] <ikonia> andrew__: well you've modified it using "sd" grub knowns nothing about that, it only uses hd
[22:35] <andrew__> okay, we'll try that then.
[22:36] <andrew__> hd0,0 and hdb1,6
[22:37] <ikonia> you don't need to re-do "setup"
[22:37] <ikonia> just change the menu.lst
[22:38] <andrew__> I know. LFS taught me a few things.
[22:38] <ikonia> then why are you saying hd0,0  ?
[22:38] <andrew__> for Windows, sd0
[22:38] <ikonia> no
[22:39] <ikonia> sd0 means nothing to grub
[22:39] <andrew__> I'll try hd0
[22:39] <ikonia> what are you on about
[22:39] <ikonia> hd0 is the boot sector on your disk
[22:40] <andrew__> what should I try for my sda1? hd0 or hd0,0?
[22:40] <ikonia> depends on your device.map file, but hd0,0 is the norm
[22:40] <andrew__> ok
[22:40] <andrew__> back in 5
[22:41] <jean_pierre_cz> got a little problem with Ark - it doesn't extract RAR files
[22:41] <jean_pierre_cz> can anybody help me?
[22:41] <ikonia> jean_pierre_cz: have you installed the rar/unrar packages ?
[22:42] <jean_pierre_cz> yes
[22:42] <jean_pierre_cz> but I think that it is due to the upgrade to KDE 4.2.90
[22:42] <jean_pierre_cz> I can unrar in CLI
[22:42] <ikonia> so sounds like ark isn't linked into the rar libs
[22:43] <jean_pierre_cz> yeah, there is a problem with PATH
[22:43] <jean_pierre_cz> i got also a warning notification concerning this
[22:43] <jean_pierre_cz> but I don't know how to solve it
[22:44] <jean_pierre_cz> maybe the solution is just wait for KDE 4.3
[22:44] <Guest95161> Hola, alguien me puede ayudar y darme un link para ingresar a la comunidad en español?
[22:44] <Styx993> can you use dd to copy a specific number of bytes?
[22:44] <ign0ramus> !es | Guest95161
[22:45] <Guest95161> thanks!!!
[22:45] <ign0ramus> Guest95161, de nada :)
[22:45] <Styx993> anyway...
[22:46] <Styx993> is there any way i can copy 448 raw bytes from one disk to another using dd?
[22:48] <ign0ramus> Styx993, not sure, but i'd imagine it'd be something like "dd if=<source> of=<target> bs=<byte size> ..."
[22:48] <Styx993> hmm
[22:48] <Styx993> tried that, but it copied 6.7mb
[22:48] <Styx993> and destroyed the fs, so now i need to re-copy it
[22:48] <ign0ramus> Styx993, you specified a value for 'bs' ?
[22:49] <Styx993> yes
[22:49] <Styx993> i specified 448
[22:49] <ign0ramus> Styx993, also, there are restrictions on the number of bytes you can specify
[22:49] <Styx993> ?
[22:50] <ign0ramus> Styx993, i believe 512 is the smallest value you can specify
[22:50] <Styx993> crap
[22:51] <ign0ramus> Styx993, yeah... see here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/learn-the-dd-command-362506/#post1848006
[22:51] <JuJuBee> What do I need to install to get pico?
[22:52] <ign0ramus> JuJuBee, not that it answers your question, but what's wrong with nano?
[22:52] <JuJuBee> Ive used it for so long, my fingers know how to type it
[22:52] <JuJuBee> its automatic...
[22:52] <JuJuBee> and nothing wrong with nano...
[22:52] <JuJuBee> more curious as to why it is gone?
[22:53] <ign0ramus> JuJuBee, don't know, but a quick apt-cache search reveals only nano and nano-tiny (?)
[22:55] <Styx993> aha
[22:55] <JuJuBee> Yea, I  already looked.  Funny, last fresh install I had it now it is gone.
[22:55] <Styx993> i had to set the count
[22:56] <Dragnslcr> nano essentially supersedes pico
[22:56] <ign0ramus> JuJuBee, i never really used pico... are the shortcuts that much different/
[22:56] <Dragnslcr> If it's just a matter of habit of typing "pico" you can just symlink /usr/bin/nano to /usr/bin/pico
[22:56] <JuJuBee> no
[22:57] <Styx993> argh
[22:57] <Styx993> im gonna go, my usb is too slow for this
[22:57] <Styx993> cya
[23:02] <andrew___> http://pastebin.com/m55cfcdab for the last menu.lst (last section given)
[23:05] <andrew___> savedefault and makeactive look unusual to me
[23:05] <andrew___> maybe the root on lfs should be sdb7...
[23:07] <andrew___> remming out savedefault and makeactive for Windows and changing to root=/dev/sda7 for linux boot
[23:07] <andrew___> report errors shortly!
[23:08] <andrew___> (make that sdb7!)
[23:13] <andrew__> exactly the same errors! Kubuntu can only boot itself!
[23:32] <jackstraw> ok I am using kubuntu 8.10 and I am trying to install yahoo instant messenger. when I try to use the deb package installer it says libglib1.2 not satisfiable. I tried to re install the dependency and the same thing. is there anyone that can help me with this?
[23:36] <vbgunz> man amazon.com is just killing my konqueror
[23:38] <jackstraw> ok I am using kubuntu 8.10 and I am trying to install yahoo instant messenger. when I try to use the deb package installer it says libglib1.2 not satisfiable. I tried to re install the dependency and the same thing. is there anyone that can help me with this?
[23:43] <Cooltiger> Does anyone have problems with pidgin and yahoo msg. accounts?
[23:43] <LadyNikon> no
[23:43] <Cooltiger> the problem also exists with Kopete apperently
[23:43] <jackstraw> yeah it dosent work
[23:44] <Cooltiger> it was working about a day ago
[23:44] <LadyNikon> my yahoo messanger works fine
[23:44] <jackstraw> I am trying to install yahoo instant messenger for linux right now
[23:44] <jackstraw> I know I am having the same problom
[23:45] <jackstraw> you will have the same problom with all instant messenger programs
[23:45] <LadyNikon> lemme switch to kubuntu
[23:45] <LadyNikon> maybe i am wrong
[23:45] <LadyNikon> brb
[23:45] <jackstraw> I am trying to get this issue resolved right now and no one seems to be helping
[23:46] <jason__> I have fixed it before by a full reinstall of ubuntu but that is not as fun as it sounds
[23:50] <LadyNikon> ok maybe i was wrong
[23:51] <jackstraw> thaks a whole hell of alot for sending me in ubuntu-chat all of you people can go to hell
[23:51] <LadyNikon> you people?
[23:51] <cooltiger> ?
[23:51] <LadyNikon> ook.
[23:52] <LadyNikon> i just booted into kubuntu to help him out
[23:52] <LadyNikon> heh
[23:52]  * LadyNikon shrugs
[23:52] <darkmatter> you'd think he would yell at yahoo instead
[23:53] <LadyNikon> funny i guess i never set it up on this side


[07:59] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> its out
[08:47] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:46] <Fudge> good evening
[09:47] <lordievader> o/
[09:49] <Fudge> :)
[11:17] <lotus|xenial4-4> confirmed xenial install fresh by usb stick and after update to kernel 4.4 succeeded
[11:41] <dreamon> Hello. having issue with skype. selfcall I can here my own voice very very quiet and there is a crackle with it. Recording with audacity sound is perfect loud and total clear
[12:40] <dreamon> Hello. having issue with skype. selfcall I can hear my own voice very very quiet and there is a crackle with it. Recording with audacity sound is perfect loud and total clear
[12:40] <lotus|xenial4-4> dreamon: skype from repos or website?
[12:40] <dreamon> lotus|xenial4-4, from website
[12:41] <dreamon> Version <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:41] <lotus|xenial4-4> dreamon: try the one from partner repos perhaps, see if you got same issue
[12:46] <dreamon> lotus|xenial4-4, But I think its a ubuntu/software issue .. cause if I end skype and take a look in pavucontrol I can see microfone soundlevel jumping. a few %.
[12:46] <dreamon> but audacity makes a perfect sound.. very strange.
[12:50] <dreamon> On a other PC its same but not so much.. and only pump up it I make some noises. Maybe a sounddriver issue
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> dreamon: yes but the problem is i think if you make a bug, would be better if using the skype from repos
[12:51] <dreamon> no problem I will do so.
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> dreamon: maybe also try a pulseaudio restart
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> !sound | dreamon
[12:54] <dreamon> maybe the new laptop hardware is issue. Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.[AMD] FCH Azalia Controller
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> dreamon: yeah could be mate, try to check your dmesg and syslog
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> dreamon: or tail -f /var/log/syslog in realtime
[13:14] <dreamon> lotuspsychje, the bad noises starts at that moment I push up Internal Mic Boost in Alsamixer.  I found a solution.
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> dreamon: oh yes, what did the trick?
[14:43] <dreamon> I found out that the booster creates that crackle. so did booster to zero. zero.. but sound was very quiet.
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> !yay | dreamon
[14:44] <dreamon> I pressed accidently q and only the left channel got a little higher of booster. and sound was great
[14:44] <dreamon> If I do boath sides of mic up.. sound is gone again.. really strange
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> kernelpanic: xenial not ready for production right
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> kernelpanic: things can still break in this stage
[16:19] <kernelpanic> I understand. But if I install alpha2, it'll get apt-get upgraded to become stable over time, correct?
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> kernelpanic: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> kernelpanic: its more recommended when official release to install fresh
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> kernelpanic: why take the risk of breakage or security risks on a server
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> kernelpanic: this stage is only for testing so
[16:22] <kernelpanic> Got it! I'll play with it and see how much time I have for reinstalling in April *g*
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> kernelpanic: you can install, look around, test, help bugging out but not really to use as daily driver Os yet
[16:22] <kernelpanic> Thanks lotuspsychje!
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> kernelpanic: the more usual way is server 14.04 and upgrade to 16.04 in april
[16:26] <hggdh> kernelpanic: if you install alpha2 you can apt-get dist-upgrade continuously until release, and you will have an up-to-date 16.04
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: but thats doenst mean nothing can go wrong...
[16:34] <kernelpanic> lotuspsychje: which is true for any strategy of getting 16.04 on a server once its released :)
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> kernelpanic: not very advisable for production
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> kernelpanic: maybe even wait on 14.04 a month and then upgrade to xenial
[16:46] <hggdh> kernelpanic: the best approach is to install it on a test server and *test*. Then you will gain experience on the new packages/options
[16:46] <hggdh> but, right now, do not run it on prod machines
[19:39] <znc_> hi there. i'm wondering about snappy package support. do i have to install ubuntu core 16.04 to get that?
[19:39] <znc_> and is that a bad idea / too early ?
[19:42] <znc_> i.e. this one, which is not in your TOPIC line here ---> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/current/
[20:12] <elhoir> genii, i think i fixed it :)
[20:13] <genii> elhoir: Congrats! ..any idea how?
[20:14] <elhoir> yes --> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=689942   message #24
[20:15] <genii> Interesting
[20:15] <elhoir> but the message does not say, you must run update-grub after that :)
[20:15] <elhoir> otherwise it doesnt work
[20:16] <genii> I think I recommended that the last time we were discussing this
[20:16] <genii> ( running update-grub)
[20:16] <elhoir> hm? dont remember...
[20:16] <elhoir> but maybe.. .
[20:18] <elhoir> vivid - you`re outdated LOL
[23:54] <znc_> nobody can answer? about ubuntu core 16.04 query?
[23:55] <znc_> Why is this other image not in TOPIC here ^^ --> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/current/
[23:55] <znc_> it's bad?
[23:56] <znc_> in particular, i want to know if there's any issue with partition scheme etc. being weird and / or cant use LUKS on it
[23:56] <znc_> nothing on google


[02:43] <Kris_away> I'm wondering, what kinda manpower does ubuntu-gnome have behind it, is it the distro of them gnome team?
[02:43] <darkxst> Kris_away, not enough manpower right now
[02:44] <Kris_away> How many guys, just a few?
[02:44] <darkxst> yeh
[02:44] <Kris_away> You one of em'? :)
[02:44] <darkxst> yeh
[02:45] <Kris_away> Well, now that I've met most of the team... I'm thinking of putting g'nobuntu on my box, is the 13.04 daily the best to go with? I'll complain when I find bugs :)
[02:46] <Kris_away> Also, i looked up some domain names... .com .org. net are all available... I'm thinking... I have a spare server...
[02:47] <darkxst> sure, we have iso tracker now, so you can report bugs against the image http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/40208/testcases
[02:47] <darkxst> Kris_away, we did ask Canonical to setup a website, but they have been slow to respond
[02:48] <Kris_away> Why even bother bugging them?  There's few "pure gnome" distros, once you get a site up they could list you
[02:49] <Kris_away> wordpress/drup is kinda slow
[02:50] <Kris_away> Could make it gogle-blogger based for dynamic stuff and a simple static front
[02:50] <Kris_away> Or cloudfront
[02:51] <Kris_away> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/ Downloading 32 and 64 right now...
[02:52] <Kris_away> If canonical was the host, would it be a VPS or some sort of web panel access? it's VM based you could stick on properly quick and simple stuff to ru the site
[02:53] <darkxst> Kris_away, I don;t particularly like wordpress or drupal, just saying that other flavours have sites hosted by canonical
[02:53] <Kris_away> Once you got a 13.04 stable, gotta torrent dat out, spread the word, tech blogs, reddit, etc
[02:54] <Kris_away> Is the 386 actually 386, or 686
[02:54] <darkxst> news seems to spread pretty quickly
[02:54] <Kris_away> linux is droppping 386 support
[02:55] <darkxst> 686 I presume, no way it would run on a 386!
[02:56] <darkxst> I don't know why anyone still uses 32-bit images anyway, unless they are stuck with ancient hardware that is 32-bit only, but that seems not to be the case mostly
[02:57] <Kris_away> Have you seen the Steam-linux numbers? noone uses 32-bit these days
[02:57] <Kris_away> http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
[02:57] <Kris_away> 300'000 linux users, all 64-bit
[02:57] <Kris_away> supporting 32-bit is kinda a waste
[02:58] <darkxst> well I often see random mis-information posted around the net, suggesting to use 32-bit if you have < 4GB ram
[02:58] <darkxst> but that is just plain wrong
[02:58] <Kris_away> Well PAE is shit on Windows compared to Linux :P
[02:58] <darkxst> PAE is shit on linux too
[02:58] <Kris_away> Ehh, it's not that bad
[02:58] <darkxst> (as in massive overheads)
[02:59] <darkxst> it works well
[02:59] <darkxst> just slower
[02:59] <Kris_away> The weakest 64-bit CPU is the single core 1.something GHz Atom
[03:00] <Kris_away> Actually.. wrong, AMD has a weaksauce 1.1GHz chip, and Intel has a celron... ugh
[03:01] <Kris_away> 64-bit linux can support anything 32-bit, even drivers with hacks...
[03:03] <darkxst> Kris_away, yeh but point is that 64-bit OS is going to be faster than running 32-bit (even despite the memory addressing overheads in 64)
[03:03] <darkxst> even if you only have say 2GB memory etc...
[03:04] <Kris_away> Even the weakest 64-bit cpus seem to run no slower
[03:04] <Kris_away> despite puny L1/L2
[03:05] <darkxst> same cpu, 64 vs 32 ...
[03:06] <Kris_away> I've benched Atom/Athlons/Core2 and it's either equal or faster for AMD64, with complex things that use the bigger construction set, faster, also the compilers are being tweaked more on 64-bit these days.
[03:07] <Kris_away> You should just be 64-bit and support 32-bit apps within, since everyone, with the exception of Winodws XP users, are 64-bit these days...
[03:09] <Kris_away> You're not big like caninical which has arm/ppc/386/amd64 and the manpower to cover it all
[03:09] <darkxst> none of us actually use the 386 packages
[03:09] <Kris_away> Should maket yourself as "An OS for everything AMD64, from tiny single core systems to 4P workstations"
[03:10] <darkxst> but I would like to see arm support in the future (I guess the archive packages already get this, but likely buggy)
[03:11] <Kris_away> ARM's big problem is how much the  CPUS vary from on another, many different sets
[03:12] <Kris_away> Although these days everything is big-arm
[03:12] <Kris_away> Drivers and input is the pain
[03:12] <darkxst> yeh I think that is why Canonical are using a partial android stack for mir
[03:13] <Kris_away> Rasperry Pi is the most popular ARM board, 1.1 Million sold, but very limited litle thing, there's lots of nice beefy $50 arm boards.
[03:13] <darkxst> its the easiest way to get kernels for each device
[03:13] <darkxst> yeh, seems to be a new one every week!
[03:14] <Kris_away> I hope there will be a new Pi with SATA, it's all it's mising
[03:15] <Kris_away> Via's APC has SATA, but it's more a slow andriod thing
[03:15] <darkxst> what is the Pi? just USB2?
[03:15] <Kris_away> USB2, yup, and the ethernet is USB2 based :-/
[03:15] <Kris_away> Tere's also a slow SD slot
[03:16] <darkxst> lol, so 3x slow....
[03:16] <Kris_away> Some ARM boards have USB3... BUT NO SATA
[03:16] <darkxst> I was thinking of putting one in my car, but havent been able to find a screen just yet ;(
[03:17] <Kris_away> THe new Pi will support lvds LCDs
[03:17] <Kris_away> mini hdmi lcds are rare for some reason...
[03:18] <darkxst> I need a 6.5 or 7" touch screen, which are incredibly hard to find at all
[03:18] <darkxst> i.e. not pre-packaged
[03:18] <Kris_away> Lots of crappy quality chinese 5" ones
[03:18] <darkxst> in a plastic bezel that makes them more like 9" total
[03:18] <Kris_away> rip it apart lol
[03:19] <darkxst> they are still crap
[03:20] <Kris_away> So... 13.04 is going to have a shorter support cycle, and they say it'll be smoother upgrading to new versions... I always have a few problems upgrading
[03:20] <darkxst> a nexus screen might work, but I would have to cut the glass off the ends of the digitiser (without breaking it!)
[03:20] <darkxst> Kris_away, minor problems? or major problems
[03:21] <Kris_away> package hell
[03:21] <darkxst> really? never hit that
[03:21] <Kris_away> YOu do when you have a huge amount of stuff installed and non-repo things lol
[03:21] <darkxst> I tend to go through 4-5 release before I re-install
[03:21] <darkxst> Kris_away, sure, I am a dev
[03:22] <darkxst> my current stack looks more like S
[03:22] <darkxst> whatever that will be called ;)
[03:23] <Kris_away> Will ubuntu-gnome be the official name or... g'buntu gnobuntu gubuntu
[03:23] <darkxst> ubuntu GNOME
[03:23] <Kris_away> with space, no space, or dash lol
[03:24] <darkxst> Kris_away, does a space really matter? proposed logo has no space, packagesets have a dash
[03:24] <Kris_away> Although this distro ruins me calling ubunutu "shuttle-gnome" lol
[03:25] <Kris_away> no space works since spaces are evil things
[11:47] <IdleOne> are there any 13.04 daily iso's yet?
[11:49] <IdleOne> found them http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/