[07:34] <robitaille> @topic
[07:44] <cbx33> @schedule london
[08:11] <Seveas> robitaille, you don't need to call @topic after each change - the bot picks them up automatically within an hour
[08:12] <robitaille> Seveas:  I know.  I was just playing around with it
[11:22] <Yagisan> @schedule gmt+10
[11:23] <Yagisan> @schedule GMT+10
[11:24] <Yagisan> @schedule Australia/Sydney
[11:24] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 17 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 17 May 23:30: Xubuntu | 19 May 00:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 May 07:00: Kubuntu | 24 May 06:00: Technical Board | 24 May 23:30: Xubuntu
[11:25] <GNAM> @schedule Italy
[11:25] <GNAM> @schedule Italy/Rome
[11:25] <GNAM> .
[11:26] <GNAM> @schedule Europe/Rome
[11:26] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 17 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 17 May 15:30: Xubuntu | 18 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 22 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 22:00: Technical Board | 24 May 15:30: Xubuntu
[01:13] <freeflying> @schedule Shanhai
[01:13] <freeflying> @schedule Shanghai
[01:13] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: 17 May 20:00: Edubuntu | 17 May 21:30: Xubuntu | 18 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 May 05:00: Kubuntu | 24 May 04:00: Technical Board | 24 May 21:30: Xubuntu
[01:50] <cbx33> afternoon all
[01:55] <cbx33> @schedule london
[01:55] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/London: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 17 May 14:30: Xubuntu | 18 May 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 22 May 22:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 21:00: Technical Board | 24 May 14:30: Xubuntu
[01:59] <spacey> hi
[02:01] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu meeting in +- 2 mins
[02:02] <spacey> sorry that i wasn't able to attend meetings last month, somehow it wasn't possible
[02:03] <flint> Good Morning I got the schedule messed up last week and was away from my terminal at 16:00 EST
[02:03] <JaneW> hi all
[02:03] <ogra> flint, heh, for guys like you we made up that new schedule :)
[02:04] <JaneW> hi spacey
[02:04] <flint> ogra, you software wenies are just out to confuse us old fools :^)
[02:04] <JaneW> ok is everyone here?
[02:04] <JaneW> ok meeting notes are an issue
[02:05] <cbx33> Yes,
[02:05] <flint> JaneW, Good Morning
[02:05] <cbx33> I was going to bring that up
[02:05] <ogra> JaneW, i heard we'll get some kind of newsletter ?
[02:05] <cbx33> I'm working on the new wiki fromt page
[02:05] <JaneW> I would love to have someone voluteer to help with posting a meeting synopsis somewhere
[02:05] <JaneW> ogra: possibly...
[02:05] <JaneW> ogra: TBD
[02:05] <cbx33> and I wanted to include meeting notes
[02:05] <ogra> JaneW, that should just be aq fleshed out version of the meeting notes then i think
[02:05] <JaneW> I find it hard to do all the talking/typing, and summarise in note format too
[02:06] <JaneW> cbx33: done
[02:06] <cbx33> but thinking about all the doc writing I still have to do
[02:06] <cbx33> oh what the hell
[02:06] <cbx33> sign me up
[02:06] <JaneW> cbx33: you are it
[02:06] <cbx33> thought so
[02:06] <JaneW> cbx33: we love you
[02:06] <cbx33> :p
[02:06] <cbx33> seeing as I'm doing the wiki front makes sense I think
[02:06] <ogra> welcome our new official edubuntu secretary :)
[02:06] <JaneW> note to all if something needs to be noted pls try to explicitely mention it to cbx33 so he doesn;t have to wade through everyone
[02:06] <cbx33> can I just mention we have a YouthLUG member today dave-YL is joining us for the meeting :D
[02:06] <JaneW> something like cbx33 please make a note of that ^^
[02:07] <JaneW> hi dave-YL
[02:07] <dave-YL> hi
[02:07] <cbx33> he's on work experience with me in the office so I thought I'd bring him along :D
[02:07] <JaneW> cbx33: does that sound ok? re the explicit note requests?
[02:07] <cbx33> show him how cool the edubuntu gang are :p
[02:07] <cbx33> JaneW: that sounds great
[02:07] <JaneW> I found that helped when I was doing minutes (in my youth)
[02:07] <spacey> YouthLUG?
[02:07] <cbx33> :p
[02:07] <flint> dave-YL, Hi how youthful is youthful?
[02:08] <JaneW> so instead of recording a 2 hours debate, just get the results down
[02:08] <dave-YL> 14
[02:08] <JaneW> ok back to the business at hand
[02:08] <cbx33> indeed
[02:08] <JaneW> Edubuntu
[02:08] <JaneW> 15 days to RELEASE DAY
[02:08] <cbx33> Yikes :p
[02:08] <ogra> tech update ... not much, apart from artwork being final (usplash still arguable)
[02:08] <JaneW> before we plan the party, are we ready
[02:09] <cbx33> the homies have a crib :p
[02:09] <JaneW> ogra: so artwork is in?
[02:09] <ogra> amd64 was down to 1.3M oversizednedd last week, but is up to 3M again
[02:09] <ogra> *ness
[02:09] <JaneW> what's the issue with usplash?
[02:09] <ogra> so i'll need to find something big to drop *again*
[02:09] <cbx33> ogra: are we goign to have to drop a package?
[02:09] <ogra> sigh
[02:09] <ogra> there is not much left on amd64
[02:10] <ogra> i'm inclined to drop kstras to solve it once and for all
[02:10] <ogra> *kstars
[02:10] <cbx33> hmm, not good
[02:10] <JaneW> ogra: why is and64 so much larger?
[02:10] <spacey> binaries so much biggier on amd64?
[02:10] <ogra> not mutch, but it sums up
[02:10] <cbx33> ogra: is ther a possiblilty of just removing some of teh data files for kstars?
[02:10] <JaneW> are the other arches at capacity?
[02:10] <sladen> ogra: did /var/log/* getting cleared?  and do a du -sch on /usr/share/doc
[02:10] <ogra> i386 is exactly at 695M (max value)
[02:10] <JaneW> yikes
[02:10] <ogra> amd64 in sum is at 698
[02:10] <JaneW> ogra: is it safe to fill it that much?
[02:11] <ogra> sladen, on the CD ?
[02:11] <ogra> JaneW, yep
[02:11] <JaneW> ok good
[02:11] <sladen> ogra: the LiveCD was not getting its logfiles cleared after creation
[02:11] <ogra> its fine unless we slip over 695
[02:11] <cbx33> sladen: i hear you down in soton tomorrow, really bummed I can't make it
[02:11] <JaneW> ogra: you said usplash was arguable, what/who is arguing?
[02:11] <ogra> sladen, ah, i dont care about live, we wont ship it
[02:11] <flint> ogra, would it be a safe assumption that anyone running an AMD 64 has access to a DVD?
[02:12] <cbx33> flint: I'd say not :p
[02:12] <ogra> flint, sure, and the DVD is available, thats not the prob
[02:12] <flint> ok then what?
[02:12] <ogra> the prob is that if we dont have a working iso on release day, we wont have that arch at all
[02:12] <ogra> a CD iso that is
[02:13] <flint> a DVD iso would suffice for AMD 64 IMHO.
[02:13] <JaneW> ogra: how when can you sort it all out?
[02:13] <ogra> flint, we wont have a DVD iso if we dont have a CD
[02:13] <JaneW> ogra: are all changes frozen now? so the size won't vary daily anymore...
[02:13] <cbx33> i'd say go for the kstars drop
[02:13] <ogra> JaneW, i'm doing it alongside with my last minute ubuntu bugwork
[02:13] <JaneW> ok
[02:13] <ogra> needs to be sorted until flight8
[02:13] <JaneW> how utilized is kstarts?
[02:14] <flint> ogra, it was merely a thought... :^)
[02:14] <JaneW> stars
[02:14] <ogra> some MB
[02:14] <JaneW> let's cut it if that's the best bet
[02:14] <JaneW> but you may get complaints if it is popular and ppl can;t find it
[02:14] <cbx33> people can alsways install it later
[02:14] <ogra> kstars itself is quite small, but it puls in a huge amount of data
[02:14] <JaneW> but I guess they can d/l it
[02:14] <cbx33> JaneW: true
[02:14] <ogra> yep
[02:14] <JaneW> ok done
[02:14] <cbx33> we can possibly put a note on the AMD64 page?
[02:14] <ogra> it wont just be in the default install on an arch we dont send through shipit
[02:14] <JaneW> cbx33 please make a note of that ^^
[02:15] <cbx33> :p
[02:15] <spacey> you kick it out of amd64 only or all arches?
[02:15] <JaneW> ogra: did you test the shipit site?
[02:15] <ogra> the only real important arch for us is i386
[02:15] <ogra> yep
[02:15] <ogra> all others are just nice to have ones
[02:15] <JaneW> ogra: and all working well?
[02:15] <ogra> yep
[02:15] <JaneW> great
[02:15] <ogra> i didnt get any virtual CD yet though :P
[02:16] <JaneW> it takes up to 8 weeks :P
[02:16] <flint> ogra, the i386 imperitive is clear.  That is why we should get out of the box (or CD) for the AMD 64...
[02:16] <ogra> but probably "a bunch" inst a proper volume for marilize :)
[02:16] <JaneW> ok what else are you doing ogra, but and testing?
[02:16] <JaneW> but=bugs
[02:16] <ogra> bugs
[02:16] <ogra> lots of missed ubuntu bugs still
[02:16] <JaneW> ok, what do you need from us all for the next 2 weeks?
[02:16] <ogra> will have at least one nightshift
[02:17] <ogra> CD testing indeed
[02:17] <JaneW> cbx33 please make a note of that ^^
[02:17] <ogra> we'll start with the tests for release candidate on monday
[02:17] <JaneW> whoever is able to test please do
[02:17] <JaneW> and feedback results and issues
[02:17] <ogra> especially people who can test ltsp
[02:17] <JaneW> we need this realease to be really great
[02:17] <flint> ogra, will this test iso be called flight 7 essentially?
[02:17] <JaneW> we are hoping to do great things with it
[02:17] <pips1> (sorry for being late) what should I test?
[02:18] <JaneW> pips1: the CD images
[02:18] <ogra> (and no, i dont mean powerpc clients on amd64 servers or other exotic stuff :) )
[02:18] <pips1> which flight?
[02:18] <cbx33> ogra: you know I'll test
[02:18] <ogra> pips1, from monday on we'll need to test extensively
[02:18] <JaneW> and let some kids try it too if at all possible
[02:18] <pips1> ok
[02:18] <cbx33> JaneW: youth lug will be helping
[02:18] <cbx33> right dave-YL ?
[02:18] <JaneW> ogra: how's the art looking now that it's packaged, has it come together nicely?
[02:18] <ogra> there will be no changes anymore from next week on
[02:18] <flint> ogra, can efts fly? :^)
[02:18] <JaneW> cbx33: awesome, thanks Youth LUG
[02:19] <JaneW> flint: no they scuttle (at best)
[02:19] <ogra> JaneW, its fine ... i'm still not thrilled by chalkboards but it fits into the rest now
[02:19] <cbx33> were we ever thrilled with chalkboards :p
[02:19] <ogra> we have one open bug about NZ missing on the map
[02:19] <JaneW> ogra: good, let's see how;s it received, maybe we'll get rave reviews :P
[02:19] <ogra> so we might get a last minute change here
[02:19] <JaneW> ogra: LMAO
[02:19] <flint> JaneW, so the first new release will be called a scuttle?  I like it!!!
[02:19] <ogra> silbs is on it
[02:19] <flint> :^)
[02:20] <JaneW> flint: no that was my sugestion though, doubt it will be taken...
[02:20] <ogra> oh, and the homies are in as well
[02:20] <JaneW> YAY
[02:20] <flint> JaneW, got my vote!
[02:20] <JaneW> flint: thanks
[02:20] <JaneW> ok so Edubutu 6.06 ROCKS
[02:20] <ogra> i had to make them a jpeg instead of png to reduce the size
[02:20] <cbx33> ogra: np
[02:20] <JaneW> I think I may need to back a cake
[02:20] <cbx33> do as you wish
[02:20] <JaneW> or draw on a chalkboard or something
[02:21] <cbx33> at least the Homies have a Crib :p
[02:21] <ogra> cbx33, i did as i *could*
[02:21] <cbx33> hehe
[02:21] <JaneW> ok docs
[02:21] <ogra> if someone would listen to my whishes, we'd have 800MB default CDs :)
[02:21] <cbx33> oooh big things happening in docs
[02:21] <JaneW> jsgotangco: and not a moment too soon :)
[02:21] <pips1> junior = homies, default (= senior?) = chalkboard, plain = ?
[02:21] <ogra> plain = plain color
[02:21] <pips1> ah
[02:21] <ogra> no wallpaper
[02:22] <JaneW> ok what's the status of the docs
[02:22] <flint> ogra, I see your point.
[02:22] <JaneW> About Edubuntu - done?
[02:22] <JaneW> did it get translated in the end?
[02:22] <ogra> pips1, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/dapper_art/Screenshot_plain_2.png
[02:22] <jsgotangco> sorry im late
[02:22] <JaneW> jsgotangco: np
[02:22] <jsgotangco> (really bad traffic)
[02:22] <jsgotangco> yes
[02:22] <jsgotangco> so is the FF page
[02:22] <jsgotangco> no
[02:22] <JaneW> huh>
[02:22] <JaneW> ?
[02:22] <JaneW> yes no
[02:23] <jsgotangco> yes
[02:23] <jsgotangco> lag
[02:23] <jsgotangco> he
[02:23] <JaneW> oic, done but not traslated?
[02:23] <ogra> i havent gotten any translations for it
[02:23] <ogra> i know mhz made one though
[02:23] <ogra> but thats the only one i'm aware of
[02:23] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:23] <JaneW> is it a problem that it's not translated?
[02:23] <cbx33> has it been posted on to docs ml for tans?
[02:23] <JaneW> and it the deadline passed? I think it is...
[02:23] <ogra> JaneW, not imho
[02:23] <jsgotangco> its too late in the cycle
[02:24] <cbx33> ok
[02:24] <jsgotangco> unless we delay our release :)
[02:24] <ogra> JaneW, we decided to make our deadline for our doc and artwork teams ourselves
[02:24] <ogra> so what i can get in before tomorrow will get in
[02:24] <JaneW> ogra: but just how far can you push it
[02:24] <JaneW> we are WAY past the official ubuntu deadline
[02:24] <ogra> but i'm merely busy with uibuntu stuff so bets are not good
[02:24] <JaneW> ok so your deadline is flight 8?
[02:24] <ogra> yep
[02:25] <JaneW> ok, but we don;t want to rush stuff through, too risky
[02:25] <JaneW> shall we stick to english?
[02:25] <jsgotangco> yes
[02:25] <cbx33> I'd say yes
[02:25] <ogra> yep
[02:25] <JaneW> I am biased being english
[02:25] <JaneW> will the rest of the world accept that?
[02:25] <cbx33> hehe
[02:25] <JaneW> ok good done
[02:25] <ogra> i'd like to get the gettingstarted guide in and probably about edubuntu
[02:26] <ogra> but that really depends if i survive tonight
[02:26] <JaneW> cbx33 please make a note of that ^^
[02:26] <cbx33> will do
[02:26] <JaneW> ta
[02:26] <JaneW> ok CookBook
[02:26] <ogra> ubuntu is higher prio by mdz's call atm for me
[02:26] <JaneW> I appologise that I have not been in a position to help with it
[02:26] <JaneW> as I expected
[02:26] <ogra> same for me
[02:26] <cbx33> i've been trying to....
[02:26] <JaneW> so with that in mind, has anything been done
[02:27] <ogra> a lot
[02:27] <JaneW> and is it in a useable form yet?
[02:27] <jsgotangco> dunno
[02:27] <JaneW> I know ppl have been working
[02:27] <flint> ogra, mdz has you laboring on ubuntu flight 8 eh?
[02:27] <JaneW> which is very encouraging
[02:27] <JaneW> spacey: you have an update?
[02:27] <spacey> partly
[02:27] <cbx33> partly an update :p
[02:27] <ogra> flint, nope, he complained that i didnt do enough ubuntu bugwork this release (which is totally true)
[02:27] <JaneW> pygi is not here
[02:28] <JaneW> has he been working on it?
[02:28] <spacey> pygi said he was working on it
[02:28] <cbx33> yes and hedgemage too
[02:28] <spacey> but didn't see it in the wiki
[02:28] <JaneW> yes that's right
[02:28] <spacey> didn't talk to him for the last two weeks
[02:28] <cbx33> it's all on their locals at the mo, or was last time I heard
[02:28] <spacey> i was really busy
[02:28] <ogra> i think LaserJock did also a good bunch of work there
[02:28] <spacey> i'm a bit behind schedule
[02:28] <cbx33> I'm trying to help with the last sections when i get a spare second
[02:28] <JaneW> so do we have anything to include (or space to put it in) or shall we leave it as an on-line resource?
[02:28] <flint> ogra, he has Fabio... we need you.
[02:28] <spacey> and would like to get rid of a chapter, or have suggestions what to put in it
[02:28] <JaneW> either way it must be finished
[02:29] <JaneW> it is worth it
[02:29] <flint> :^)
[02:29] <jsgotangco> id really suggest not beating release
[02:29] <ogra> flint, in any case i need to do less work on edeubuntu in edgy
[02:29] <ogra> we need more devs that help out with it
[02:29] <JaneW> can we ask the contributors to put what they have done on the wiki so we can start reviewing it?
[02:29] <cbx33> ogra: I'm working on that
[02:29] <jsgotangco> flint, that's where i come in *gulp*
[02:29] <cbx33> JaneW: I would
[02:30] <JaneW> yes dev volunteers always welcome
[02:30] <ogra> cbx33, i know, youre one of my big hopes ;)
[02:30] <spacey> JaneW: that would be good in anycase, that everyone puts their stuff up in the wiki
[02:30] <ogra> JaneW, we'll get there :)
[02:30] <cbx33> teach me I'm a blank page :p
[02:30] <cbx33> ^^ I'll not that too :p
[02:30] <JaneW> everyone put your CookBook Contributions ON THE WIKI
[02:30] <cbx33> JaneW: noted :p
[02:30] <JaneW> :))
[02:30] <spacey> before the end of this week? before next meeting?
[02:30] <cbx33> ASAP
[02:30] <JaneW> asap
[02:30] <cbx33> :p
[02:31] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i'd really suggest not rushing this, it'll still be good even a few weeks after release
[02:31] <JaneW> before end of week please
[02:31] <ogra> yesterday
[02:31] <JaneW> jsgotangco: not rushing it
[02:31] <ogra> jsgotangco++
[02:31] <cbx33> jsgotangco: sure but people can start proofing and suggesting
[02:31] <JaneW> jsgotangco: just applying some pressure
[02:31] <spacey> :)
[02:31] <JaneW> jsgotangco: ppl like pain
[02:31] <JaneW> next is the whip
[02:31] <spacey> JaneW: thats a good thing :)
[02:31] <cbx33> JaneW pain
[02:31] <ogra> jsgotangco, JaneW knows what she's talking about ;)
[02:31] <cbx33> awww....
[02:31] <spacey> some people only perform under pressure :P
[02:32] <JaneW> also congrats to those selected for the Paris Summit
[02:32] <jsgotangco> your call
[02:32] <ogra> oh yes :)
[02:32] <JaneW> jsgotangco, highvoltage and LaserJock
[02:32] <spacey> who is going?
[02:32] <spacey> ah
[02:32] <ogra> looking forward to meet you all
[02:32] <JaneW> they are representing Edubuntu
[02:32] <cbx33> congrats guys, - wish I could have gone too :p
[02:32] <ogra> highvoltage is final ?
[02:32] <JaneW> and will be exoected to help to spec and plan the edgy release, so please start thinking along those lines
[02:32] <ogra> cbx33, next time :)
[02:32] <JaneW> ogra: yes
[02:33] <cbx33> ogra: one can only hope :p
[02:33] <ogra> cbx33, likely at a more exotic place :)
[02:33] <cbx33> yikes....
[02:33] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i will do it but i dare you to bring a whip
[02:33] <cbx33> ok back to docs
[02:33] <JaneW> cbx33: yes keep going and I am sure the next one (which will be bigger) will be a good target for you
[02:33] <JaneW> jsgotangco: oooh a DARE
[02:33] <ogra> jsgotangco, just bring some leaher armory
[02:33] <cbx33> ESA is going to final freeze on friday
[02:33] <jsgotangco> JaneW, and a nurse costume too
[02:33] <JaneW> *blushe*
[02:33] <ogra> lol
[02:33] <cbx33> we're in the the SVN now and working hard
[02:33] <JaneW> cbx33: great
[02:34] <JaneW> cbx33: it almost done?
[02:34] <cbx33> just somethings to tidy up which Corey is helping out with
[02:34] <JaneW> awesome, that's a really great doc
[02:34] <jsgotangco> i uploaded his patch a few hours ago
[02:34] <cbx33> HedgeMage was working on some screenshots, but I know that there's pressure there for otehr things
[02:34] <cbx33> so screenshots from others of the app in use would be great
[02:34] <JaneW> cbx33: will it stay on the wiki too?
[02:34] <cbx33> of course
[02:35] <cbx33> we're thinking it maky be a little downsized for the pamphlet
[02:35] <JaneW> cbx33: hows the web/wiki stuff coming along for the release too?
[02:35] <spacey> whats ESA?
[02:35] <cbx33> good
[02:35] <cbx33> I'm working the new wiki front
[02:35] <ogra> edubuntu school advocacy
[02:35] <JaneW> when the release announcements go out the URL will get a lot of exposure so lots of traffic will hit the site, we need to make ppl want to stay there
[02:35] <cbx33> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWikiMock
[02:35] <spacey> whats that?
[02:36] <JaneW> and we need a release announcement!
[02:36] <cbx33> ideas suggestions....put em in a mail :p
[02:36] <ogra> and a working css for the homepage
[02:36] <JaneW> ogra: is corparate handling that? I haven't heard
[02:36] <cbx33> and mail it to someone whocares....oh that's me :p
[02:36] <ogra> its broken since a while+
[02:36] <JaneW> last time we did it ourselves
[02:36] <cbx33> yes, highvoltage was working on that
[02:36] <jsgotangco> i will draft the announcement
[02:36] <JaneW> jsgotangco: *HUG*
[02:36] <ogra> JaneW, no idea, i guess we'll have to list the features ourselves at least
[02:36] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I mean *1 whipping*
[02:36] <ogra> since management doesnt know about them
[02:37] <JaneW> ogra: yes please do and take care to make them mdz acceptable
[02:37] <cbx33> true :p
[02:37] <ogra> JaneW, will do
[02:37] <JaneW> ogra: he complained about the dteail in my last monthly report
[02:37] <cbx33> mdz compliance :p
[02:37] <JaneW> need a good balance between technical reality and exciting sounding consumer stuff
[02:37] <ogra> JaneW, he also didnt understand why i summarized all flight features in the beta announcement
[02:37] <JaneW> cbx33: that's it
[02:38] <JaneW> ogra: made sense to me
[02:38] <cbx33> ok, lastly I think from me is the LTSPDocs
[02:38] <ogra> yep, to me too
[02:38] <JaneW> cbx33: yes?
[02:38] <cbx33> I've started, making a new page on wiki
[02:38] <cbx33> UbuntuLTSP
[02:38] <cbx33> which will detail ALL LTSP docs
[02:38] <JaneW> cbx33: documentation?
[02:38] <JaneW> really? ogra that the stuff you were trying to get to one day?
[02:38] <cbx33> so I'm currently in the process of moving and updating all LTSP related material
[02:39] <cbx33> to make it ubuntu generic
[02:39] <flint> cbx33, the re-use of LTSP docs is a great idea.
[02:39] <JaneW> cbx33: excellent
[02:39] <cbx33> indeed
[02:39] <ogra> JaneW, its partially my stuff, but cbx33 is doing great work in collecting *everything* ltsp realted
[02:39] <cbx33> if anyone has written an LTSP doc please update to make it ubuntu generic
[02:39] <cbx33> oooooh
[02:39] <JaneW> haven't used those for a while
[02:39] <ogra> wow
[02:40] <ogra> cbx33, they are really rare
[02:40] <ogra> kepp it in a frame
[02:40] <ogra> *keep
[02:40] <cbx33> I'll contact all page maintaners
[02:40] <cbx33> if I can
[02:40] <jsgotangco> good luck
[02:40] <cbx33> I'll put that i nthe meeting notes :p
[02:40] <ogra> :)
[02:40] <cbx33> my aim is to hopefully create an LTSP cookbook of sorts
[02:41] <ogra> an alternative to the thin client howto would be fine ...
[02:41] <cbx33> :p
[02:41] <ogra> that doc is horrible, but it has useful advanced info
[02:41] <cbx33> well u know what I mean
[02:42] <cbx33> indeed, why I was goign to break it down a little
[02:42] <cbx33> but we can talk abotu that later
[02:42] <ogra> i'd like to have a doc that really only shows the three steps needed to get ltsp running
[02:42] <cbx33> yes ogra definite
[02:42] <ogra> thin client howto hides the easiness
[02:42] <cbx33> and then links to some advanced materials
[02:42] <ogra> yep
[02:42] <cbx33> :D
[02:42] <JaneW> things have come together really nicely this cycle
[02:43] <ogra> things like NAT and hosts.allow/deny are surely overkill
[02:43] <ogra> yep
[02:43] <cbx33> they can go in advanced advanced section :p
[02:43] <ogra> this cycle was a lot better than the last, but it was also a lot less work for me
[02:43] <ogra> i.e. no main inclusion fighting for every single package
[02:44] <ogra> the only one i had on my list for main inclusion disqualified itself
[02:44] <cbx33> just as a note, I'd like to do so much more on edubuntu, but time is an issue for me :p
[02:44] <ogra> (gobby)
[02:44] <JaneW> cbx33: btw feel free to eidt the wiki as much as you want and write or trash stuff etc, much of what is there (esp front page) was thrown together by me, so there's lots of room for improvement
[02:44] <jsgotangco> cbx33, who does?
[02:44] <cbx33> jsgotangco: indeed
[02:44] <jsgotangco> cbx33, before it was only me
[02:45] <cbx33> JaneW: I'm taking as diplomatic approach as I can to the wiki :p
[02:45] <JaneW> also once 6.06 is out we'd like to encourage ppl to evangelise Edubuntu, talk about it where you can and make it know to all
[02:45] <ogra> yeah
[02:45] <ogra> do the big promotion dance
[02:45] <JaneW> Breezy was kept low key, now we want everyone to know and everyone to use Edubuntu
[02:45] <ogra> flint, ^^^^
[02:45] <cbx33> JaneW: ESA !!!!
[02:45] <JaneW> flint you and jelkner can go wild now
[02:46] <JaneW> and use the ESA!!!
[02:46] <ogra> yeah
[02:46] <cbx33> would be excellent if we can get this printed off
[02:46] <JaneW> get it printed locally etc
[02:46] <cbx33> and sent to some of our more advoacative people
[02:46] <cbx33> JaneW: think funding could be available for that?
[02:46] <JaneW> we may get a small and selective marketing budget in this cycle
[02:46] <JaneW> to use wisely
[02:46] <cbx33> now that would be ace
[02:47] <ogra> yeah
[02:47] <JaneW> we are never going to have a big budget though so we need to be wise
[02:47] <cbx33> indeed
[02:47] <JaneW> ok next?
[02:47] <ogra> i'd also like to have another edubuntu summit in edgya or edgy+1
[02:47] <ogra> -a
[02:47] <jsgotangco> JaneW, ok we'll resort to painting graffitti then
[02:47] <ogra> if we have a bigger community
[02:48] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes!
[02:48] <cbx33> w00t just like the homies did :p
[02:48] <flint> ogra, flint dancing == hindenburg landing at lakehurst nj...
[02:48] <JaneW> jsgotangco: pictures of the homies
[02:48] <ogra> flint, lol
[02:48] <JaneW> ogra: yes I think another summit would make sense
[02:48] <ogra> JaneW, we should have stickers for schoool toilets :)
[02:48] <JaneW> I think to plan edgy +1
[02:49] <ogra> yep
[02:49] <JaneW> ogra: for school bags
[02:49] <ogra> as well, yes :)
[02:49] <flint> JaneW, we could produce a special brand of cigarretts - say with filters - edubuntu brand hmmm...
[02:50] <jsgotangco> +1
[02:50] <ogra> mmmm
[02:50] <flint> :^)
[02:50] <ogra> :)
[02:50] <flint> ogra, down ma man...
[02:50] <schoolinux> :)
[02:50] <cbx33> :)-
[02:50] <ogra> flint, got contacts to phil morris ?
[02:50] <jsgotangco> ogra, i'd really like to advocate dopewars for main inclusion to edubuntu
[02:50] <JaneW> flint: lol
[02:50] <jsgotangco> :)
[02:50] <flint> ogra, what do you need got the art?
[02:50] <ogra> jsgotangco, beware of the DEA
[02:50] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:50] <flint> ogra, they need back into this market bad...
[02:51] <ogra> flint, the art of smoking ?
[02:51] <ogra> sure
[02:51] <flint> ogra, i am a bad man...
[02:51] <flint> :^)
[02:51] <JaneW> oh I nearly forgot
[02:51] <JaneW> the edubuntu install video
[02:51] <flint> JaneW, thanks.
[02:51] <JaneW> I want to ask Chris if we can use it
[02:51] <ogra> yeah, we need to put it on the wiki or website
[02:52] <cbx33> I could link to it on the wiki homepage
[02:52] <JaneW> yes in .ogg and .wmp format
[02:52] <JaneW> I just need him to save the formats and let us use them
[02:52] <JaneW> I'll contact him
[02:53] <ogra> oh, one thing
[02:53] <flint> JaneW, seriously, you bring up a good point.  a flash install product would be nice, but flash is not open.
[02:53] <ogra> if someone could also test upgrades breezy->dapper including ltsp, that would be very helpful next week
[02:53] <cbx33> ogra: I'll try my best buddy :p
[02:53] <jsgotangco> how is amd64?
[02:53] <JaneW> yes and test test tes
[02:53] <ogra> flint, we support ogg out of the box in edubuntu
[02:54] <JaneW> flint: yup, it;s a problem
[02:54] <ogra> jsgotangco, 3M oversized again :(
[02:54] <jsgotangco> doh
[02:54] <ogra> i'm working on it
[02:54] <JaneW> flint: he has a flash version, but says the original is a .wav
[02:54] <ogra> looking for something to drop
[02:54] <JaneW> jsgotangco: kstars is being dropped
[02:54] <jsgotangco> pfftt who needs it
[02:54] <ogra> likely
[02:55] <ogra> i still need to determine the exact numbers
[02:55] <flint> ogra, indeed Ollie, but there is no product that uses the ogg format in a completed film maker package.
[02:55] <jsgotangco> totem
[02:55] <ogra> flint, there is ... edubuntu :)
[02:55] <cbx33> should I put a note to that effect in ESA?
[02:55] <flint> ogra, I heard that there  may be something called "wink" that does it...
[02:55] <jsgotangco> kino
[02:55] <ogra> cbx33, just link to the RestrictedFormats page
[02:55] <flint> jsgotangco, kino will?
[02:55] <JaneW> ok we have 5 or so minutes
[02:55] <JaneW> anything else?
[02:56] <ogra> flint, wink is proprietary windows software iirc
[02:56] <JaneW> or is it 'free play' time?
[02:56] <cbx33> i meant about kstars being dropped, my connection is becomming slow...lots of lag
[02:56] <ogra> cbx33, not yet
[02:56] <flint> i recently looked at the window$ program Camtasia, anything like it in open?
[02:56] <ogra> lest me see if it helps us first
[02:56] <JaneW> next week at 20:00 (under duress)
[02:56] <cbx33> yup
[02:56] <flint> JaneW, the reason I asked was to develop docs...
[02:56] <ogra> i suspect the data is in the kdeedu-data package, if thats the case we wont win with it
[02:56] <jsgotangco> ogra, i was thinking kvoctrain
[02:56] <ogra> i'll notify you
[02:57] <ogra> jsgotangco, how big is the binary ?
[02:57] <flint> jsgotangco, i will look at kino... thanks.
[02:57] <JaneW> flint: huh?
[02:57] <jsgotangco> Size: 843724
[02:57] <jsgotangco> pfftt
[02:57] <ogra> 800k
[02:57] <jsgotangco> sorry
[02:57] <ogra> thats not enough
[02:57] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:57] <flint> JaneW, go look at the camtasia web page.  you will get it then.
[02:58] <JaneW> flint: ok
[02:58] <ogra> kstars is 4.3M
[02:58] <cbx33> that's nothing
[02:58] <ogra> that should help
[02:58] <jsgotangco> ogra, kstars is ok
[02:58] <flint> JaneW, there is a revolution brewing in educational software, and it is spelled FLASH.... sadly :^)
[02:58] <cbx33> man my lag is slowa the mo....
[02:59] <JaneW> flint: once we can use flash I will dance a jig
[02:59] <ogra> flint, in norway they do their exams and tests in flash forms
[02:59] <ogra> would be a major gain if we could ship it
[02:59] <flint> JaneW, I can tell you how to use flash, but it will tick off Oliver, so I will not.
[02:59] <schoolinux> excuse me, but dropping kstars will put away some astro guys
[02:59] <JaneW> Cape Town may be under water soon, it has rained and rained for 18 hours
[02:59] <cbx33> heheh flint :p
[03:00] <jsgotangco> schoolinux, only for amd64
[03:00] <ogra> flint, there is nothing wrong about flash ... just that its not shippable
[03:00] <JaneW> and our swimming pool was very low, and is now overflowing
[03:00] <ogra> schoolinux, only on amd64
[03:00] <flint> JaneW, Masachusetts is in the same rain mode...
[03:00] <jsgotangco> schoolinux, unless you can suggest somthing bigger to drip that is not used
[03:00] <cbx33> we need a start up app...to display links to install all these extras
[03:00] <schoolinux> there are astonomers there, too!
[03:00] <jsgotangco> cbx33, edgy
[03:00] <flint> ogra, I understand the issue.  Read Ventor Vinge and be very afraid...
[03:00] <JaneW> flint: I have flash, and it's great, until all my FF windows just vanish suddenly
[03:00] <cbx33> heheh
[03:00] <ogra> schoolinux, we'll ship only i386 CDs anyway and that will pervent the amd64 arch from being dropped completely
[03:01] <jsgotangco> schoolinux, its only 4.3MB we couldn't build amd64
[03:01] <flint> JaneW, you have flash on your ubuntu box?
[03:01] <JaneW> yes
[03:01] <schoolinux> ogra, got it
[03:01] <ogra> schoolinux, i'd love to keep it, but we only have 695M :)
[03:01] <flint> JaneW, do not tell Oliver how you got it... and I will not use the "A" word.
[03:02] <ogra> and amd64 binarys are bigger than i386
[03:02] <JaneW> flint: he knows how, he just can;t package it, or include anything that relies on it
[03:02] <flint> ogra, is that because they are 64 bits long?
[03:02] <schoolinux> ogra, i understand that
[03:02] <ogra> flint, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree ?
[03:02] <ogra> flint, yep, partially
[03:02] <flint> ogra, interesting...
[03:02] <ogra> also the kernel packages are bigger
[03:03] <cbx33> JaneW: i second that
[03:03] <flint> why cannot you declare your CD to be 100 mb bigger?
[03:03] <ogra> JaneW++
[03:03] <JaneW> cbx33: make a note of that ;) :P
[03:03] <sladen> just proclaim that amd64 requires 700MB CDs
[03:03] <ogra> flint, because that wont help, people need to have the media :)
[03:03] <sladen> (which are the common case for alot of people anyway)
[03:03] <ogra> sladen, we use 700MB CDs by default for all arches
[03:03] <JaneW> ok our time is up
[03:03] <cbx33> :)
[03:03] <JaneW> thanks everyone
[03:04] <ogra> sladen, since breezy already :)
[03:04] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:04] <spacey> bb :)
[03:04] <JaneW> next week I want to hear about how everyone is planning to celebrate on 1 June
[03:04] <flint> JaneW, thanks to Jane and Oliver...
[03:04] <jsgotangco> we've always passed the barrier since
[03:04] <flint> and the rest!
[03:04] <ogra> thanks for attending
[03:04] <cbx33> back to #edubuntu
[03:05] <JaneW> ogra: in Paris you must get some edubuntu circle of friends photos
[03:05] <cbx33> <-------meeting notes will end here----->
[03:06] <jsgotangco> good idea while we are drunk
[03:06] <ogra> JaneW, yeah
[03:06] <JaneW> ogra: and find out where to get those space suit things
[03:06] <JaneW> or nurses outfits :P
[03:07] <ogra> hehe
[03:25] <sivang> johehehe
[03:25] <sivang> that is:
[03:25] <sivang> jsgotangco: hehe
[03:32] <janimo> hi
[03:34] <Gloubiboulga> hello janimo
[03:34] <janimo> hi Gauvain
[03:35] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: how's xkb progressing?
[03:35] <janimo> there's a separate bug on it in LP
[03:36] <janimo> maybe you can take a look at that too if you think it's worth it and you got familiar with the code
[03:36] <Gloubiboulga> still working on it, it should be ready soon
[03:36] <janimo> you forgot '(TM)' ;)
[03:36] <Gloubiboulga> about the variant not displayed ?
[03:36] <janimo> yes
[03:36] <Gloubiboulga> I'll look at this
[03:36] <janimo> is that much work?
[03:36] <Gloubiboulga> don't think so
[03:36] <janimo> I mean bug or feature req?
[03:36] <Gloubiboulga> it's more a feature request
[03:37] <Gloubiboulga> but if I can add it i will
[03:37] <janimo> then  we should just defer it
[03:37] <janimo> it is not as important as the layout addition from ui
[03:37] <Gloubiboulga> I agree :)
[03:37] <janimo> so we just bugfix :)
[03:38] <janimo> there are a few minor UI bugs on the various plugins, most will probably be deferred as well
[03:38] <janimo> I'll concentrate on xfdesktop/gamin bugs instead
[03:38] <Gloubiboulga> I've not reported it yet, but there's a little bug with clearlooks too
[03:38] <janimo> and other bad interactions with gnome volume manager
[03:39] <janimo> the engine/theme itself or in the context of xubuntu?
[03:39] <janimo> I'll be looking at the xfrun you confirmed today as well
[03:39] <Gloubiboulga> is there a clearlooks theme ?
[03:40] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: clearlooks gtkrc I think
[03:40] <janimo>  /usr/share/themes/Clearlooks/
[03:40] <Gloubiboulga> I think it's a theme issue, the colors in the systemload plugin are not displayed
[03:40] <janimo> uses the clearlooks engince
[03:40] <Gloubiboulga> everything is blue
[03:40] <janimo> means the system is not loaded :)
[03:40] <Gloubiboulga> I have the colors with the other themes
[03:40] <janimo> ever
[03:41] <Gloubiboulga> :)
[03:41] <janimo> possibly a plugin bug, as clearlooks is better tested I guess
[03:41] <janimo> or just a misinteraction between the plugin and this specific theme?
[03:41] <Gloubiboulga> maybe, it's not a major bug anyway
[03:42] <Gloubiboulga> misinteraction between the plugin and this specific theme I guess
[03:43] <janimo> right one of the plugin bugs. goodies are not all well maintained. I'd say we remove the ones with visual glitches from default install
[03:43] <janimo> and just have them on CD
[03:43] <janimo> most are geeky anyway (ssyload, cpugraph, wavelan)
[03:43] <janimo> what do you say?
[03:43] <janimo> it makes the plugin choser dialog less overwhelming too
[03:44] <Gloubiboulga> It's a minor issue, it doesn't eat a lot of space, I think we can keep the plugins installedd
[03:44] <janimo> anyway most should be in main soon
[03:44] <janimo> right spacewise they're fine
[03:45] <janimo> just most of them don;t yet even have a logo and all have the mouse instead in the chooser
[03:45] <janimo> anyway minor issue
[03:45] <janimo> most important plugins are all here and working
[03:45] <Gloubiboulga> yep
[03:47] <janimo> we have about 30 bugs reported
[03:48] <janimo> and a few unreported in LP but in xfce bugzilla which affect us
[03:49] <janimo> of the LP ones, an xfdesktop crasher and print not working from mousepad (or in xfce generally) look the most serious
[03:49] <janimo> I'll ask on the list for printing testers
[03:50] <Gloubiboulga> these bugs has been reported on the Xfce bugzilla too or are xubuntu specific ?
[03:50] <janimo> oh and the requirement to get xubuntu-system-tools on the CD, but I am not sure that will happen :(
[03:50] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: mostly xubuntu ones, although the xfdesktop g-v-m interaction affects upstream as well
[03:50] <Gloubiboulga> xubuntu-system-tools is really missing :/
[03:51] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: yep, sad that it's not in main
[03:52] <janimo> and the plugin bugreports may be in their upstream bugzilla, but their maintenance depdns much on the plugin affected
[03:52] <janimo> battery and weather the ones with most reports seem orphaned
[03:53] <Gloubiboulga> and the battery plugin is really buggy
[03:53] <Gloubiboulga> the weather plugin has only a config bug iirc
[03:53] <Kamion> I'll promote the other ones with approved main inclusion reports later on today - I need to go out now though
[03:54] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: battery worked for me when I used it
[03:55] <Gloubiboulga> It worked for me too since I don't have batteries :)
[03:55] <Gloubiboulga> I can't even try to reproduce the bugs
[03:55] <janimo> see, most users don't so only a fraction of them is affected :)
[03:56] <janimo> I wish gnome-power-manager did not use gnome_session. We could use it then
[03:56] <janimo> put it in autostart and there, no need for 30 gnome libs
[03:57] <janimo> something to talk about for edgy, since the battery plugin is not cutting it. Although last week it has been rewritten with HAL support by one of the xfce devs
[03:57] <janimo> it may be better than what we have now
[03:57] <Gloubiboulga> indeed
[03:58] <janimo> anyway, as out main target is old desktops and thin clients battery is not such a big issue.
[03:58] <janimo> xfce users on modern hw tend to launch various gnome goodness anyway
[03:58] <Gloubiboulga> I know that the Xfce devs doen't want to provide too many tools, but keyboard/battery are really usefull and should be part of Xfce imo
[03:58] <janimo> g-p-m is just ok for them
[03:59] <janimo> I agree, if maintained they'd be a good candidate for core plugins
[03:59] <janimo> in-panel
[03:59] <Gloubiboulga> yes
[03:59] <janimo> so maybe you make xkb that good ;)
[03:59] <Gloubiboulga> I try :)
[04:00] <janimo> anything else to discuss?
[04:01] <janimo> any questions?
[04:01] <Gloubiboulga> no
[04:02] <Gloubiboulga> my plan is 1. finish the xkb plugin, 2. dive into bugs
[04:02] <Gloubiboulga> and test installs...
[04:02] <janimo> ok, thanks
[04:02] <janimo> mine is : dive into bugs :)
[04:03] <Gloubiboulga> good luck with that :)
[04:03] <Gloubiboulga> will you upload new svn snapshot ?
[04:03] <janimo> and update xubuntu-system-tools to have latest pactehs of g-s-t
[04:03] <janimo> new snapshot of what? genrally xfce stuff?
[04:03] <Gloubiboulga> yes
[04:04] <janimo> I think so, since some bugs are fixed upstream, and rather than handpicking them I'd rather upload
[04:04] <janimo> there's a crasher in xfwm4 , thunar has quite some fixes too
[04:04] <janimo> the other packages are mostly ok, I'll only touch xfdeskto, that has the most issues with removable media and icons generally
[04:05] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[04:05] <Gloubiboulga> xfrun is really buggy too
[04:05] <janimo> what else does it do?
[04:06] <Gloubiboulga> it never stops :)
[04:06] <janimo> oh?
[04:06] <Gloubiboulga> when you run an app with it it still runs in background
[04:06] <janimo> you mean it is in the background?
[04:06] <Gloubiboulga> yep
[04:06] <janimo> that's a feature not a bug :)
[04:06] <Gloubiboulga> oops
[04:06] <janimo> really it's in the background and when you laucnh it it contacts that daemon using dbus
[04:06] <Gloubiboulga> ok then :)
[04:07] <janimo> so lauch is fast instead of >1second
[04:07] <janimo> I worked hard on this feature ;)
[04:07] <Gloubiboulga> sorry...
[04:07] <janimo> don;t you call it a bug!
[04:07] <janimo> :)
[04:07] <janimo> but the pwd thing I'll need to fix
[04:07] <janimo> it is really more responsive than 4.2
[04:08] <janimo> np,, I agree it is suspect to be in the background
[04:08] <Gloubiboulga> I don't use it a lot, since I have the verve plugin installed
[04:08] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: which reminds me I need to update it to 0.3.1
[04:08] <Kamion> can I just remind that we are deep-freezing on Monday?
[04:08] <janimo> it has some fixes as well
[04:09] <Kamion> new upstreams are getting increasingly less appropriate :)
[04:09] <janimo> Kamion: yup I heard something along those lines :)
[04:09] <janimo> Kamion: no new upstream but bugfixes still good right?
[04:10] <janimo> or even those restricted to crahser and dataloss bugs starting Monday?
[04:10] <Kamion> absolutely critical only
[04:10] <Kamion> from Monday
[04:10] <janimo> Kamion: ok, busy weekend then :)
[04:10] <Kamion> and at the moment, I would very much recommend bug fixes only
[04:10] <janimo> right, that is the case now.
[04:14] <janimo> ok, nothing else I guess.
[04:15] <janimo> if so bye everybo^W Gauvain
[04:15] <Gloubiboulga> see you Jani
[05:24] <Klaidas> @schedule Vilnius
[05:24] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Vilnius: Current meeting: Xubuntu | 18 May 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 May 00:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 23:00: Technical Board | 24 May 16:30: Xubuntu | 24 May 23:00: Edubuntu
[05:44] <stgraber> @schedule Zurich
[05:44] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Zurich: Current meeting: Xubuntu | 18 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 22 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 22:00: Technical Board | 24 May 15:30: Xubuntu | 24 May 22:00: Edubuntu
[06:55] <GNAM> @schedule Europe/Rome
[06:55] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 18 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 22 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 22:00: Technical Board | 24 May 15:30: Xubuntu | 24 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team


[00:54] <helpmepls>  0 down vote favorite 	  Every time I log off my wallpaper and icons get reset. I tried deleting my lxsession folder as it says here since it seemed like a similar problem but no luck. http://askubuntu.com/questions/451858/blank-desktop-after-upgrading-lubuntu-to-the-next-version Using the latest Lubuntu.
[07:11] <jam__> hi all, I been asking before about the F4 (Install a command-line system) and what this option give you.)
[07:13] <jam__> it seems there are no documentation available so my question is if it is possible to run a Diff against ubuntu.mini ? and see what packages are installed and not ?
[09:08] <jam__> ... unbelevable that you are not able to install ubuntu/xubuntu minimal system with wifi
[09:08] <jam__> *xubuntu lubuntu
[09:09] <jam__> don't want to use debian or arch for different reasons
[09:12] <jam__> ?
[09:29] <jam__> S wifi
[09:30] <Unit193> jam__: Can you ask whatever question you have?
[09:32] <jam__> Unit193, I want to install a minimal ubuntu based system but the ubuntu mini iso don't come with drivers for wifi.
[09:33] <Unit193> jam__: You can't use ethernet to install those drivers?  Perhaps just grab the desktop ISO and remove unneeded packages then.
[09:34] <jam__> I am traveling a lot and can't find Internet connections everywhere I go
[09:35] <jam__> Unit193, to remove unwanted packages is an alternative, but how do I know what to remove ?
[09:37] <jam__> Unit193,  acctually maybe have the drivers on usb stick could be an option
[09:37] <Unit193> Depends, what ones did you need?
[09:38] <Unit193> And, mini.iso isn't live, nor does it have enough to boot into a GUI without internet.
[09:43] <jam__> Unit193, I found this http://askubuntu.com/questions/203122/how-do-i-do-a-minimal-install-without-an-internet-connection  and they suggest I use the server edition,  I already have the lubuntu.iso and there are an option to install without GUI,  do you know what the diffrence is between this one and the ubuntu mini? if there are any differences ?
[09:45] <Unit193> I'd say the alternate version, not the server version.  mini.iso is 30MB, but downloads all needed packages during install; the alternate uses the same installer, is about 700MB, but does not need an internet connection to install the system.
[09:47] <jam__> Unit193, there are no ubuntu alternate version, I have the lubuntu alternate version and selecting F4 using install gives you an
[09:47] <jam__>  a command-line system
[09:47] <Unit193> Right, we're in #lubuntu, thus I was commenting about installing Lubuntu.
[09:47] <jam__> the problem is I do not know how this " a command-line system" are diffrent from the ubuntu mini distro
[09:48] <jam__> (sorry for my spelling and typing errors)
[09:50] <jam__> right  :   )   ...  I can't find any documentation using the F4 option so I don't know what I have installed.
[09:50] <Unit193> I'd think a system without a DE/WM, and one that skipped tasksel.
[09:50] <jam__> is there a way to figure this out ?  run a DIFF against the ubuntu mini version?
[09:51] <Unit193> You can get a package list...
[09:51] <Unit193> dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Package}\n'
[09:55] <jam__> Unit193, ah so if I run both the ubuntu mini.iso and the lubuntu "command-line system" in virtualbox I should be able to get two lists I can compare ?
[09:56] <Unit193> I don't see a point in doing so, but yes you can.
[09:56] <jam__> how else should I know what the lubuntu "command-line system"  installs and not ?
[09:58] <jam__> ...maybe some important security packages are missing or something ?
[10:03] <jam__> Unit193,  still here ?  forgot to add your name in my reply
[22:37] <Harish_> Hello, I have a question about Lubuntu. WHat are its advantages over Kubuntu if I'm running ti on a 2008 macbook pro?
[22:38] <ianorlin> Harish_: it has benefits if you don't like too many menus and settings
[22:39] <ianorlin> uses less ram for applications and uses gpu to animate the desktop
[22:39] <Harish_> I see. That's good. Will the availabe software choices change?
[22:40] <tsimonq2> Harish_: And in general Lubuntu is faster than Kubuntu, especially on older computers/laptops.
[22:40] <tsimonq2> Nope
[22:40] <tsimonq2> Same software
[22:40] <Harish_> Cool. Will give give it a try.
[22:40] <ianorlin> less memmory useage
[22:41] <tsimonq2> ianorlin: too late lol :P :)