[13:16] <Afdal>  I to Ignore, S to skip mounting, M manual recovery".  Only no matter what of those options I choose it never seems to really do anything.  I thought this was being caused by my RAID0 array failing originally, but that definitely seems to not be the case as I go back to Windows and have weeklong uptimes with no issues.  Can anyone help me?
[13:17] <Afdal> Xubuntu is pretty much unusable for me until I resolve this because when the file system locks to write-protect I can't save any program settings and such.
[13:19] <ikonia> Afdal: next time it happens you need to do diags on it
[13:19] <Afdal> "diags"?
[13:19] <ikonia> is it one file system, all file systems, are they on the same disk, are they falling back to read only in the OS, or being set to read only at a hardware level and the OS still thinks it's read/write
[13:20] <ikonia> when you fix it, what is the error that comes up,
[13:20] <ikonia> then you work backwards to what is causing that error
[13:20] <Afdal> it's the ext3 partition where my xubuntu OS resides that locks up, I should say I have some other file partitions and even another HDD that experience no problem
[13:21] <Afdal> At one point I was able to reliably reproduce this due to a corrupted Xchat log file that caused the file system locking whenever I joined a particular channel and tried to load it up.  However I think that was just a symptom of the overall problem because it has returned after I deleted that file and switched to Hexchat as well
[13:22] <brunch875> heyhey! Is it possible to search from soundcloud on unity dash?
[13:22] <Afdal> okay I just had it happen again now actually, ikonia
[13:23] <ikonia> Afdal: ok - so what file systems are read only ?
[13:23] <Afdal> just my ext3 OS partition
[13:23] <Afdal> oh you know what
[13:23] <Afdal> I actually am unable to mount my other Windows RAID partition on the same HDD
[13:24] <Afdal> So perhaps this is a dmraid issue?
[13:24] <ikonia> errr raid
[13:24] <ikonia> is this motherboard raid
[13:24] <Afdal> yes
[13:24] <ikonia> I'd say thats going to be a good starting point
[13:24] <Afdal> again though, I am certain the array itself isn't failing because it runs flawlessly on Windows
[13:24] <ikonia> motherboard raid just sucks in my view
[13:24] <ikonia> it's flawless on windows as windows will more than likley have excellent driver support for it
[13:25] <Afdal> Well...  I've ran Xubuntu on this RAID setup for three or four years now without this issue cropping up, so I:
[13:27] <Afdal> ohhh, you know what I also am unable to mount this non-RAID FAT32 partition on my storage drive as well here
[13:28] <Afdal> Oh wait these mount failures are probably due to the mount point being read-onyl aren't they
[13:29] <peyam> hi. I have my made in china android box connected to my ubuntu . I want to know what model and vendor that is made of. anybody know how I can get the info out of it? this is lshw -short http://paste.ubuntu.com/16474676/
[13:30] <peyam> which one is my android box?
[13:30] <Habbie> peyam, how is it connected to your ubuntu?
[13:30] <Afdal> Okay so I'm looking at /media/myusername/ and the directory icon has a box with an X on it.  Anyone know what that stands for in Thunar?
[13:30] <peyam> usb
[13:30] <peyam> Habbie, usb
[13:30] <Habbie> peyam, try lsusb -v
[13:30] <peyam> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16474697/ Habbie
[13:31] <peyam> Habbie, http://paste.ubuntu.com/16474700/
[13:31] <Habbie> peyam, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12111005/how-to-register-this-tablet-to-ubuntu-udev-list seems relevant
[13:32] <Habbie> peyam, regarding line 848 in your paste
[13:32] <peyam> Habbie, but do you know what model that is based on theat output
[13:32] <Habbie> peyam, no, i could google '2207:310b' for you but you can do that yourself
[13:32] <Habbie> peyam, beyond that i suggest getting adb up and running, perhaps based on that stackoverflow post
[13:33] <peyam> Habbie, but how do you that it is the android box?
[13:33] <Habbie> peyam, because none of the other devices are it, and googling for 2207 gave me that post about an android tablet
[13:33] <peyam> Habbie, thank you very much
[13:33] <Habbie> peyam, but, disconnect it, run lsusb again, compare output, and you'll have certainty
[13:34] <Afdal> I just don't know what to do about this.  Do I have to reinstall linux to fix it :/
[13:35] <cruncher> hi
[13:35] <cruncher> was /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf removed? where do i do now the "session-cleanup-script="?
[13:36] <Afdal> And of course I can't even log out of my account properly since xubuntu wants to save settings on a locked file system when logging out
[13:36] <peyam> Habbie, but it seems to be something else. I just want to know the manufactorer name
[13:37] <Habbie> peyam, either google those numbers, or get adb running, are the options i know of
[13:39] <ikonia> Afdal: what file systems are read only
[13:39] <ikonia> Afdal: thats the first question
[13:39] <Afdal> just the ext3 OS file system
[13:39] <Afdal> root file system, whatever
[13:40] <Afdal> of course, since the mount point resides on the root file system, that's what's preventing me from mounting other partitions after this read-only locking occurs
[13:41] <ikonia> Afdal: no, which mount points
[13:41] <Afdal>  /media/myusername/whateverthenameofthepartitionIwanttomountis
[13:41] <ikonia> Afdal: so thats dynamic mount points
[13:41] <ikonia> Afdal: is / read only
[13:41] <Afdal> see I just rebooted now and I have no problem mounting them
[13:41] <codepython777> I want to host my own PPA using nginx - apart from reprepro - what else can help me do that easily?
[13:42] <wuschLOR> Hi there how can is disable cups from auto adding printers in my network ?
[13:42] <Afdal> yeah, the whole / is read-only
[13:42] <codepython777> has anyone here setup their own PPA up recently?
[13:42] <ikonia> Afdal: is it read only now ?
[13:42] <Afdal> yep, just locked up again
[13:43] <ikonia> Afdal: so if you do "sudo touch /test" what do you get
[13:43] <Afdal> this time I had an extra partition mounted beforehand, and that partition is still mounted
[13:43] <kgirthofer> hey all - I'm t rying to scrape a website with wget and every scrape i do creates a file named after each directory that has the contents of index.html withint that directory
[13:43] <ikonia> Afdal: please don't tell me this is raid 0
[13:43] <kgirthofer> i.e. if there's a directory uploads
[13:43] <kgirthofer> hten a file uploads.1.html will be created with the contents of uploads/index.html
[13:43] <codepython777> Anyone has their own PPAs here?
[13:43] <Afdal> unable to open /var/lib/sudo/afdal/2: no such file or directory
[13:43] <Afdal> touch: cannot touch '/test': ready-only file system
[13:43] <ikonia> Afdal: so thats not read only thats a missing file
[13:43] <Habbie> codepython777, repo.powerdns.com is powered by reprepro
[13:44] <ikonia> Afdal: as your non-privileged user can you do "touch ~/test-file"
[13:45] <Afdal> cannot touch '/home/afdal/test-file': read-only file system
[13:45] <ikonia> Afdal: is /home on the same partition as /
[13:45] <ikonia> or a different partition
[13:46] <Afdal> same partition
[13:46] <ikonia> Afdal: do you have any other partitions on the same disk mounted, or is it just one partition
[13:46] <codepython777> Habbie: I was hoping to find someone using nix, or snapcraft, or something more modern to ship software
[13:46] <Habbie> codepython777, i don't have any idea about those
[13:46] <Afdal> well I have a swap partition I guess
[13:46] <Afdal> otherwise no
[13:47] <ikonia> Afdal: is this raid 0 ?
[13:47] <Afdal> I guess that's not "mounted" though :)
[13:47] <Afdal> yeah, RAID0
[13:47] <ikonia> yeah, this is not going to be good
[13:47] <concord> Where is the best place to ask a question about getting Windows 10 installed in KVM/QEMU using QCOW2 disk type?
[13:47] <Afdal> Shall I try rebooting and mounting my other RAID0 partition and seeing what happens when the file system locks up again?
[13:47] <ikonia> Afdal: I can't advise the use of raid 0 for root file system
[13:47] <Afdal> pfff :D
[13:47] <ikonia> Afdal: I can't advise using the motherboard raid devices
[13:47] <ikonia> you're doing boht
[13:47] <ikonia> both
[13:48] <ikonia> thats just an advert for failure
[13:48] <Afdal> well too bad, I need to dual boot Windows and software RAID over linux won't let me accomplish that
[13:48] <ikonia> Afdal: the easy solution is to buy another disk for linux
[13:48] <Afdal> not easy for me
[13:49] <ikonia> I appreciate that is money, but using questionable hardware and dubious raid levels is not worth the effort
[13:49] <Afdal> all right, I guess I'll try rebooting and mounting my other partition in addition before the file system locks
[13:49] <ikonia> tht won't help
[13:49] <ikonia> that will just cause more problems and possibly add corruption to your other partitions
[13:49] <Afdal> :/
[13:51] <Afdal> I don't load anything from the other partition and most of my stuff is backed up, I'll take my chances :)
[13:51] <tpw_rules> hey. i'm using Files over an x2go connection and it seems trash isn't supported. i found this out only after deleting some files, trying to go to the trash, and getting a "not supported" error. that's a rather nasty surprise. fortunately i didn't void anything important, but i think it's dangerous to not change the option if Files can't use the trash for some reason (or are they in a trash, but just not accessible? i tried ctrl+z and
[13:51] <tpw_rules>  that didn't work either)
[13:51] <ikonia> I advise against it
[13:55] <tpw_rules> ah okay that's already been reported
[13:57] <icey> any idea when AWS will have 16.04 images?
[13:57] <somsip> icey: already up
[13:57] <icey> somsip: I don't see it as an option in us-east
[13:58] <Afdal> "The disk drive for /tmp is not ready yet or not present."  What does that error I see on one of these useless disk checks even mean?
[13:58] <somsip> icey: https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/ec2/
[13:58] <ikonia> Afdal: /tmp is normally ram based
[13:59] <ikonia> Afdal: if it's disk, it means /tmp the file system is not available to be mounted so it can't progress beyond the init process that depends on /tmp
[13:59] <icey> thanks somsip
[14:00] <Afdal> how does my OS manage to even boot up after that then?
[14:01] <ikonia> Afdal: probaly doesn't need /tmp at that point
[14:01] <ikonia> just a warning
[14:02] <Afdal> Well I don't have an exotic RAM setup so I'm using whatever the default Xubuntu setup is
[14:02] <Afdal> okay, file system locked again
[14:03] <Afdal> my other RAID partition isn't locked however
[14:03] <Afdal> only the root file system partition is locked
[14:04] <Afdal> so there's more evidence that it's not my RAID setup failing
[14:05] <skyyr> is it possible to redirect a port to another machine like this: client -> ssh from ubuntu desktop to ubuntu server -> port on other machine in server's lan?
[14:05] <ikonia> Afdal: what raid partitions
[14:05] <ikonia> Afdal: I asked what other paritions there where and you said "none" it's all one partition
[14:05] <ikonia> now you're saying "other raid partitions"
[14:05] <skyyr> I'm trying to route a vnc client through ssh to a vncserver on the host's network
[14:05] <ikonia> and that is not evidence that your raid 0 file system is stable
[14:05] <Afdal> oh I thought you asked which raid partitions were mounted
[14:06] <ikonia> Afdal: you have 2 disks in a raid 0 stripe, correct ?
[14:06] <Afdal> yeah
[14:06] <ikonia> Afdal: you have Linux root file system, and Linux swap on there, what OTHER linux partitions are on there
[14:06] <Afdal> I have my NTFS partition on the same RAID setup mounted right now and it reads and writes just fine while the root / linux partition is locked
[14:06] <Afdal> No other linux partitions than those two
[14:06] <ikonia> Afdal: so that still suggests to me your raid 0 root file system is a problem
[14:07] <ikonia> look in the syslog and see if you have any warnings
[14:07] <ikonia> but again, raid 0 + motherboard raid = high risk
[14:07] <Afdal> where and how :o
[14:07] <Afdal> I'm aware :)
[14:07] <ikonia> it's a text file in /var/log
[14:08] <Afdal> hmm, this is interesting actually.  I may not be the entire partition that's locked to read-only after all.  I'm seeing some other files and folders here that don't appear to be locked
[14:08] <ikonia> Afdal: such as ?
[14:09] <Afdal> uh
[14:09] <Afdal> such as syslog for instance :)
[14:09] <ikonia> Afdal: how do you know thats not read only ?
[14:10] <Afdal> oh that might just be due to thunar not reporting the read/write status of files that require root privileges to modify though
[14:10] <ikonia> Afdal: touch /var/log/test
[14:10] <ikonia> Afdal: or "sudo touch /var/log/test"
[14:11] <Afdal> oh okay false alarm, they're all write-protected yeah
[14:11] <ikonia> you're root file system will have dropped state on raid 0
[14:11] <ikonia> I'm confident that will be your problem
[14:11] <ikonia> you only need the slightest instability and it's useless
[14:12] <mrbinaer> skyyr: Yes it is possible. You can use ssh -L [localport]:[vncserver]:[remoteport] [ubuntuserver]
[14:12] <Afdal>  touch /var/log/test gives read-only file system error
[14:12] <skyyr> mrbinaer, thanks, trying it
[14:12] <ikonia> Afdal: yes, because it's read only device
[14:12] <Afdal> Okay what am I looking for in my syslog here?
[14:12] <ikonia> Afdal: errors around the file system, the device, the mount point
[14:12] <Afdal> The last item in the log was on April 13
[14:13] <ikonia> Afdal: that suggests your in more trouble than you think
[14:13] <mikeymop> hey all
[14:13] <ikonia> Afdal: that file system has not been read/write since 13th
[14:13] <Afdal> well I did stop using linux for like a month because I hate spending entire days dealing with these issues
[14:14] <UbuntuDude> is there any fix for Ubuntu desktop icons overlaping?
[14:14] <mikeymop> Afdal: you get fewer issues that are quicker to resolve with time
[14:15] <ikonia> you won't get any better/easier while you are running raid 0 root file system on fakeraid devices
[14:15] <ikonia> it's just inviting complex problems
[14:15] <mikeymop> UbuntuDude: did you try dragging them, they may not be locked to grid
[14:16] <SpecialKay> heyo
[14:16] <Afdal> Umm...  Okay does anyone know that commandline copypaste uploader thingy?  I can't pastebin this log file since most likely some corrupted Firefox file is triggering one of these file system logs and preventing me from using my browser at the moment
[14:16] <SpecialKay> Has anyone here managed to get Steam working on 16.04 ?
[14:16] <ikonia> Afdal: what are you talking about corrupted firefox ??
[14:16] <ikonia> Afdal: pastebinit
[14:17] <cruncher> does anyone know how to run a script on X logoff?
[14:17] <ikonia> but you won't be able to install it while your root file system is read only
[14:17] <ikonia> Afdal: how big is your linux partition ?
[14:17] <Afdal> 50 GB
[14:17] <UbuntuDude> mikeymop: I just tried the organize option and seems to work fine ... but still one question to go, Is it possible to make icons size equal?
[14:17] <SpecialKay> Has anyone here managed to get Steam working on 16.04 ?
[14:17] <UbuntuDude> same as in windows desktop
[14:18] <Afdal> Let me jump in this channel on the computer in question and then someone direct me to that terminal copypaste uploading utility since I can't just open a browser and pastebin this
[14:19] <SpecialKay> Has anyone here managed to get Steam working on 16.04 ?
[14:19] <lyze> SpecialKay, runs just fine
[14:19] <SpecialKay> are you getting it from the multiverse repository?
[14:19] <Afdal-xubuntu> Okay I know there's some sort of simple terminal tool to upload text dumps, I've used it in here before, anyone know what I'm talking about?
[14:20] <mikeymop> UbuntuDude: i would advise you just install a new icon theme
[14:20] <mikeymop> UbuntuDude: numix round will look nice with just about anything
[14:21] <mikeymop> SpecialKay: sudo apt install steam worked fine for me
[14:22] <SpecialKay> hm let me try with apt-get, might have been gdebi
[14:22] <OerHeks> !steam
[14:24] <OerHeks> SpecialKay, if you have an ATI gpu, you are bound to the opendriver, so steam will not be that advanced/fast
[14:24] <donofrio> ubottu, graet news but will that allow people to play windows steam games in ubuntu
[14:24] <intense> How do I use GNU make to build all the files in a directory and put the ouput of each of the files in a seperate file? Example if I have 1.c 2.c 3.c, I need 3 Output files 1.out, 2.out, 3.out
[14:25] <OerHeks> donofrio, there is wine and playonlinux for windows .. eh.. games
[14:25] <SpecialKay> I just looked in additional drivers, it doesn't even show my gpu, any ideas? ;(
[14:26] <OerHeks> SpecialKay, open terminal "lspci | grep VGA "# and show us the line
[14:26] <OerHeks> maybe you just have intel, or ati
[14:26] <SpecialKay> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Blackcomb [Radeon HD 6970M/6990M]
[14:26] <snckrs> Good morning!  I faced a small problem while trying  to "rice" my ubuntu vm: I wanted to have  the global menu to be always  shown instead of only when I hover the mouse over it, but the window names  are always cropped out if they  are too long. Is there a way to prevent that?
[14:27] <Afdal-xubuntu> ikonia, do you know how I can upload this syslog file through command line?
[14:27] <Afdal-xubuntu> terminal, whatever
[14:27] <donofrio> OerHeks, no I was asking him because it seems when an app/game is in steam it's only for one platform at a time.... ;(  aka my kids cannot play games from windows steam without "windows"
[14:28] <OerHeks> Afdal-xubuntu >>  cat <file >  | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:28] <OerHeks> donofrio, well, they have to be linux compatible.
[14:28] <TomyWork> donofrio there are some steam games for linux. they're getting more each day
[14:28] <SpecialKay> OerHeks any idea as to what the problem might be?
[14:28] <Afdal-xubuntu> http://termbin.com/i2dl
[14:28] <Afdal-xubuntu> Did that work?
[14:29] <TomyWork> donofrio  the #steamlug channel has a bot that announces changes to linux game and new linux games
[14:29] <OerHeks> SpecialKay, read back, told you about ati
[14:29] <TomyWork> +s
[14:29] <OerHeks> Afdal-xubuntu, yes
[14:29] <nettoweb> Hey guys, is htere a faster mirror than http://mirror.bit.edu.cn/ubuntu/ ? Mine is taking so long to download tiny packages: http://cl.ly/3S3F103N3t1G
[14:29] <SpecialKay> Does Ubuntu not show drivers for those cards?
[14:30] <OerHeks> !ati | and here some official wiki
[14:30] <SpecialKay> thank you, im a bit of a linux newbie :]
[14:30] <OerHeks> SpecialKay, we are waiting for 16.04.1 and *hope* ati and xorg will get friends
[14:30] <intense> How do I use GNU make to build all the files in a directory and put the ouput of each of the files in a seperate file? Example if I have 1.c 2.c 3.c, I need 3 Output files 1.out, 2.out, 3.out
[14:30] <OerHeks> for now: no
[14:30] <SpecialKay> okay sorry one more thing, running Steam spits this out:
[14:30] <SpecialKay> Running Steam on ubuntu 16.04 64-bit
[14:30] <SpecialKay> STEAM_RUNTIME is enabled automatically
[14:30] <SpecialKay> [2016-05-18 00:29:14] Startup - updater built Apr 29 2016 22:18:33
[14:30] <SpecialKay> SteamUpdateUI: An X Error occurred
[14:30] <SpecialKay> X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
[14:32] <OerHeks> !paste
[14:32] <symbolicadmin> that was amusing
[14:32] <SpecialKay> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16475334/
[14:33] <OerHeks> SpecialKay, so steam does not run, can't help you there
[14:33] <SpecialKay> okay, is there another IRC room for stream specifically?
[14:33] <SpecialKay> someone mentioned it earlier, can't remember it although
[14:33] <OerHeks> !steam
[14:33] <SpecialKay> okay thank you
[14:34] <SymbolicDeathwsh> !Social
[14:34] <SymbolicDeathwsh> worth a try.
[14:34] <Pici> !offtopic | SymbolicDeathwsh
[14:37] <Afdal-xubuntu> Do you see anything in that log that might help, ikonia?
[14:41] <hexafluoride> hey, how do I mount a VHDX image?
[14:41] <SymbolicDeathwsh> does everyone here use HexChat? or is mIRC still the irc client of choice?
[14:42] <brunch875> I use pidgin as IRC now
[14:42] <SymbolicDeathwsh> interesting
[14:42] <Afdal-xubuntu> HexChat on GNU, Icechat on Windows here
[14:43] <OerHeks> this join/part block page, gives a lot of clients http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/hide_join_part_messages
[14:43] <intense> r4hul: Hey
[14:45] <Brainbox> is there any magic tricks to getting godaddy SSL certs to work w/ apache on ubuntu ?
[14:46] <tgm4883> Brainbox: I would imagine you use them like every other SSL cert
[14:46] <de-facto> Brainbox you might want to take a look at https://mozilla.github.io/server-side-tls/ssl-config-generator/ and https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/
[14:47] <OerHeks> hexafluoride, not sure vhdx is the same >> https://nathan.vertile.com/blog/2015/02/27/mounting-a-vhd-ntfs-image-on-ubuntu/
[14:47] <hexafluoride> tried that, Oatmeal
[14:47] <hexafluoride> uh
[14:47] <hexafluoride> OerHeks
[14:47] <Brainbox> yeah ive looked at tons of tutorials etc and its the same way ive always done em... getting ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR in chrome...
[14:47] <hexafluoride> the tool doesn't support VHDX
[14:48] <OerHeks> hexafluoride, then i have no clue, maybe someone else in this channel knows??
[14:48] <hexafluoride> hopefully
[14:48] <hexafluoride> it's a shame if there's no actual VHDX support
[14:48] <hexafluoride> it's even native in Windows
[14:50] <de-facto> Brainbox usually you always need your cert and all intermediate certs up to (but not including) the trust anchor root cert which the clients use to verify your cert chain
[14:50] <OerHeks> hexafluoride, errr it is a hyper-v windows format, logically it will read under windows yes .. but maybe this page is any help https://rwmj.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/using-libguestfs-to-read-hyper-v-vhdx-disk-images/
[14:50] <mikeymop> i'll have to check out mirc I've been using weechat
[14:51] <hexafluoride> OerHeks, I'll check it out
[14:51] <OerHeks> !find libguestfs
[14:52] <OerHeks> i think you want libguestfs-tools
[14:52] <hexafluoride> yeah
[14:52] <hexafluoride> installing that
[14:52] <de-facto> hexafluoride i think virtual box can read (and maybe convert) those, but not entirely sure, could be worth a check though
[14:52] <hexafluoride> atm
[14:53] <tgm4883> Brainbox: any errors in apache?
[14:53] <Brainbox> doesn't look like errors
[14:53] <Brainbox> ill throw in pastebin
[14:53] <tgm4883> Brainbox: is the server publically accessible?
[14:54] <tgm4883> Brainbox: if it's publically accessible, digicert has a tool that can check the certs
[14:56] <Brainbox> http://pastebin.ca/3602236
[14:59] <Brainbox> yeah no errors that i can see cause an issue
[15:00] <de-facto> Brainbox there is def something wrong with your ssl. you can test with "openssl s_client -connect example.com:443" from command line too
[15:01] <cod23> Brasileiros aqui?
[15:01] <OerHeks> !br
[15:01] <de-facto> Brainbox also, if you want, you can use the test of this tool, its very helpfull https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/
[15:03] <de-facto> Brainbox if you dont want your results listed in public make sure you check "Do not show the results on the boards"
[15:05] <tgm4883> Brainbox: can you pastebin your apache config
[15:05] <tgm4883> for the vhost
[15:05] <stacy-> can some body here guide me step by step on how to turn my ubuntu laptop into a AP or a hotspot?
[15:06] <brym> afternoon all
[15:06] <mikeymop> stacy-: you need a special card that supports broadcast mode
[15:06] <mikeymop> stacy-: run an iwconfig and find out your wireless card chipset and see if it can do broadcast mode
[15:07] <stacy-> nikeymop.. i had my laptop working as Access point 2 months ago using nmtui
[15:07] <stacy-> but i have forgotten the process
[15:07] <de-facto> stacy- very simple you go to settings > network > wireless and click "use as hotspot" :)
[15:07] <snckrs> how come that when I add a PPA from launchpad.net its packages wont be found?
[15:08] <stacy-> defacto.. ubuntu 15.10 did not let me select the WPA..only nmtui was able to do that
[15:08] <tgm4883> snckrs: did you do an 'apt update' after adding it?
[15:08] <snckrs> tgm4883, i did sudo apt-get update
[15:08] <snckrs>  yes
[15:09] <tgm4883> snckrs: what ppa?
[15:09] <snckrs> https://launchpad.net/~flexiondotorg/+archive/ubuntu/slingscold
[15:09] <tgm4883> snckrs: how did you add it?
[15:10] <snckrs> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:flexiondotorg/slingscold
[15:10] <de-facto> stacy- hmm in xenial it seems to use WPA as default there, but it may depend on your wireless card
[15:10] <Faiz> hey ppl
[15:10] <stacy-> defacto..i got my laptop working as a hotspot before
[15:10] <stacy-> but i forgot the steps i took to do it
[15:10] <Seveas> snckrs: which Ubuntu version are you on?
[15:11] <snckrs> Seveas, 16.04
[15:11] <stacy-> defacto please guide me in 4 steps to click through to make the laptop a AP
[15:11] <Seveas> snckrs: that ppa has no packages for 16.04
[15:11] <Faiz> is there to way to restore each nd every setting nd driver ?
[15:11] <snckrs> Seveas, so I cant install that app?
[15:11] <Seveas> you could try the 15.10 packages
[15:12] <tgm4883> snckrs: nope
[15:12] <OerHeks> stacy-, "in 4 steps"???
[15:12] <Faiz> can someone tell me how to restore internet drivers ?
[15:13] <ikonia> restore internet drivers ?
[15:13] <stacy-> oerkeks.. 4 or five steps i remembered that it was the steps using nmtui
[15:13] <Brainbox> hah
[15:13] <Brainbox> it was an issue with the virtual host
[15:13] <Faiz> network drivers
[15:13] <Brainbox> lol
[15:13] <Brainbox> fixed
[15:13] <Brainbox> needed * wildcard or ip
[15:13] <Brainbox> and works
[15:13] <ikonia> Faiz: you're best explaining what you've actually done
[15:14] <Faiz> when i turn on my laptop , the wifi says im connected
[15:14] <stacy-> my devices arent able to connect .. its been down for 3 days now
[15:14] <Faiz> then after using the net for , like 3 mins , the neet stops
[15:14] <Faiz> net*
[15:14] <Faiz> but it shows im connected
[15:14] <ikonia> Faiz: ok - so what have you done that requires the drivers to be re-installed /
[15:14] <de-facto> stacy- you go into settings, then click on network, then on wireless network and click on "use as hotspot", then enable with the switch in wireless network
[15:15] <Faiz> i didnt do anything
[15:15] <Faiz> i was just asking how to re install them
[15:15] <ikonia> Faiz: then why do you need to reinstall them ?
[15:15] <ikonia> Faiz: why do you want to re-install them ?
[15:15] <Faiz> yes
[15:15] <Faiz> oh
[15:15] <de-facto> stacy- but you need another internet connection then (like wired LAN cable), so your laptop provides an access point and shares that internet connection
[15:15] <Faiz> cause
[15:15] <stacy-> defacto... please guide me on using nmtui to get the AP working again..because for some reason hotspot button and unity gui network does not work on my ubuntu 15.10
[15:16] <ikonia> Faiz: why ?
[15:16] <Faiz> a window comes saying tht failed to connect to error
[15:16] <Faiz> failed to connect *
[15:16] <Faiz> error 45 or something like tht
[15:16] <stacy-> defacto.. yes my laptop is wired LAN cable
[15:16] <ikonia> Faiz: again - why do you want to reinstall them
[15:16] <de-facto> stacy- what do you mean by "does not work"? what happens if you click on "use as hotspot"?
[15:16] <Faiz> so they might solve my problems ?
[15:16] <ikonia> Faiz: ok, so no reason
[15:16] <Faiz> i thnk they r damaged or something
[15:16] <Faiz> yes
[15:17] <ikonia> Faiz: in future, state your problem, rather than what you think the solution is
[15:17] <Faiz> k
[15:17] <stacy-> defacto... there isnt a configeration option
[15:17] <ikonia> Faiz: your problem is "after surfing the net for a few minutes, my connection stays active but I can't reach the internet"
[15:17] <ikonia> Faiz: not "I need to reinstall my drivers"
[15:17] <Faiz> k
[15:17] <de-facto> stacy- but what happens if you "use  as hotspot"?
[15:18] <transhuman_> hi have a question: The concept of root window is no longer relavant to Ubuntu is that correct ( I would like to run a video on my desktop(for desktop) is that any longer possible?
[15:18] <stacy-> defacto.. my devices cant detect the SSID
[15:18] <Faiz> so do u know wht happens ? or wht is the reason behind it ?
[15:19] <de-facto> stacy- the SSID is your computer's name
[15:19] <ikonia> Faiz: not without debugging it - if you ask the channel your real problem, someone will help if they can
[15:19] <stacy-> defacto..there is not a WPA inside the gui for unity network
[15:19] <stacy-> defacto.. please assist me in using nmtui
[15:20] <stacy-> i remember it only too a few steps to get nmtui working
[15:20] <Faiz> btw if tht helps , but i ran fsck thing
[15:20] <stacy-> for the wifi AP
[15:20] <ikonia> Faiz: why ?
[15:20] <ikonia> Faiz: why did you run that
[15:20] <de-facto> stacy- so what does happen if you click on "use as hotspot"? does it show you a summary of network name, encryption and password?
[15:20] <Faiz> cause someone told me here to
[15:21] <Faiz> i asked
[15:21] <Faiz> tht is there some kind of software tht can detect problems nd then repair them automaticlly
[15:21] <stacy-> defacto.. can you login to my system and take a look
[15:22] <de-facto> stacy- also make sure you enabled that hotspot with the slider on that summary screen (switch it to "on"), then your client devices shoudl be able to connect
[15:22] <Faiz> nd someone said to use tht command
[15:22] <de-facto> stacy- no
[15:22] <stacy-> defacto... i see the bottom it says use as hotspot
[15:22] <de-facto> then click that
[15:23] <stacy-> after i click on it .. the wifi of the laptop says its connected but its using WEP
[15:23] <ikonia> Faiz: you'll do better, just clearly stating your problem and waiting for someone to help
[15:23] <stacy-> the laptop is connected to a LAN cable also
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> Faiz: sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall?
[15:24] <ikonia> he doesn't need drivers
[15:24] <de-facto> stacy- yes you either use your wifi as hotspot or as wifi client
[15:24] <Faiz> i was gonna ask tht
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> Faiz: what do you need then exactly?
[15:24] <Faiz> i hve many problems
[15:24] <Faiz> but the first one is
[15:24] <Faiz> to get my internet working back
[15:25] <stacy-> defacto.. i need mmy laptop as a hotspot for WPA
[15:25] <Faiz> i cant use it without using my TP-link
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> !details | Faiz
[15:26] <Faiz> k i will give details
[15:26] <Faiz> but
[15:26] <RandomUser1234> Hi all, I'm trying to use a subtitle that i found online but the formatting for some characters is all weird
[15:26] <Faiz> is ubottu
[15:26] <Faiz> a user or a program ?
[15:26] <RandomUser1234> is there a way to fix the formatting of some characters in a text file?
[15:26] <somsip> !bot | Faiz
[15:26] <de-facto> stacy- so can you please tell me, what happens if you click on "use as hotspot"?
[15:26] <stacy-> defacto.. the wirelss hotspot is using WEP.. and my devices are still not picking up the wifi signal
[15:27] <de-facto> is the switch above that in "on " position?
[15:27] <Faiz> k
[15:27] <stacy-> defaccto.. yes
[15:27] <Faiz> then i will give the error info
[15:27] <Faiz> i will hve to remove my TP-link for tht
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> Faiz: can you tell us whats going on first?
[15:27] <somsip> Faiz: concisely...
[15:28] <stacy-> defacto.. a few months ago i made the laptop an AP with WPA ..it was wroking..but now it does not work.. i made it work using nmtui
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> Faiz: ubuntu version? wifi? cable? chipset details?
[15:28] <de-facto> stacy- sorry i dont know how to use nmtui
[15:29] <stacy-> if i use gui it says i am connected to wireless on the laptop..but my laptop is connected using a LAN CABLE ALEADY!!!
[15:30] <nacc> stacy-: you can be multiply connected to a network (or multiple networks) in network-manager, fwiw
[15:31] <stacy-> NACC... i have a laptop ubuntu 15.10 .. i need it to have the Access point working again .. it is not working and my tablet and phones are not able to see the laptop
[15:32] <nacc> stacy-: i'm pretty sure everyone in the channel knows your issue -- you've been asking for help for a few days now, I believe
[15:33] <stacy-> nacc.. what step did i miss.. why is my laptop unable to work like a AP like beofe
[15:33] <OerHeks> i haven't seen you part this channel when you setup wifi adhoc, so i guess you need to restart networkmanager to complete, stacy-
[15:33] <de-facto> stacy- maybe editing your hotspot with "nm-connection-editor" could help?
[15:33] <nacc> stacy-: I have no idea, I've never setup a hotspot, sorry
[15:34] <stacy-> oerheks.. it worked befoe with AP ..not adhoc
[15:34] <OerHeks> ap/adhoc whatever, basicly the same, restart networking
[15:34] <stacy-> defacto.. i am unfamilar with the shell editing method
[15:35] <SpecialKay> OerHeks: kudos to you, you're still here helping people out ;]
[15:35] <OerHeks> SpecialKay, just because we know ubuntu can be fun
[15:35] <stacy-> oerheks.. restart after nmtui .. you mean?
[15:35] <de-facto> stacy- its not shell: press Alt + F2 then enter      nm-connection-editor        and press enter
[15:36] <stacy-> defacto.. do  you mean open shell prompt?
[15:36] <de-facto> nope
[15:37] <de-facto> but you can start that from a terminal too of course if you like
[15:37] <stacy-> nothing happens to my laptop if i click on alt F2
[15:37] <de-facto> you press the ALT key hold and press F2 key then release both
[15:38] <stacy-> when i click on alt on top it says hexchat
[15:38] <de-facto> not with the mouse, with your keyboard
[15:39] <stacy-> defacto..i did what you said.. with a keyboard..does the alt F2 open up the command proompt?
[15:40] <k1l_> stacy-: on ubuntu with unity it should open a "dash"  labeled "run a command"
[15:40] <stacy-> the shortcuts metothos are not all univeral on ubuntu
[15:40] <de-facto> stacy- it opens an input dialogue where you can enter a programs name, in that box type    nm-connection-editor      and hit your ENTER key then
[15:40] <k1l_> stacy-: they are. what ubuntu do you run exactly? what version number, what desktop?
[15:40] <de-facto> im pretty sure that works on all GUIs
[15:41] <stacy-> i am using ubuntu 15.10
[15:41] <ReddyTeddy> Hi guys. I'm getting an error 'Unable to contact settings server' Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-2q3XWaZNaE: Connection refused'
[15:41] <ReddyTeddy> When I fire up VNC
[15:41] <ReddyTeddy> When I close out of that one, I get 'Unable to load a failsafe session'
[15:41] <stacy-> kil.. can you please guide me to getting my laptop to work as AP for my tablet and phone?
[15:42] <ReddyTeddy> Unable to determine failsafe session name. Possible causes: xfconfd isn't running (D-Bus setup problem); environment variable $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS is set incorrect (must include "/etc"), or xfce4-session is installed incorrectly
[15:42] <stacy-> it worked before but soemthing inside broke ubuntu ..its not working
[15:42] <ReddyTeddy> How could I check which of those the issue is?
[15:42] <compdoc> ReddyTeddy, which OS?
[15:42] <ReddyTeddy> Ubuntu 16.04, sorry.
[15:42] <k1l_> stacy-: there are several users trying to help you. but you cant run easiest commands. maybe you should get someone to support you in real life because people in here need you to run commands and provide feedback.
[15:43] <ReddyTeddy> I do see that xfconfd isn't running, actually; I followed this guide for installing VNC : https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-configure-vnc-on-ubuntu-16-04
[15:43] <compdoc> ReddyTeddy, with Unity? doesnt work with vnc
[15:43] <k1l_> stacy-: i have not seen a linux desktop not working with alt+f2 so far.
[15:43] <ReddyTeddy> Nah, no Unity. I just got a new Dedicated Server and am trying to set it up.
[15:43] <ReddyTeddy> I think I have a Dbus setup problem, since xfconfd isn't running
[15:43] <stacy-> kil... all afternoon i had been typing cat grep feed backs onto websites so they could find out..nobody seems to know
[15:44] <techknight_> I have a centralized log management server (graylog) and I want to be able to see the installed/updated/removed packages from a couple of ubuntu serveres there is running.
[15:44] <stacy-> kil... alt F2 only brings up the hexchat menu on top of the screen
[15:44] <techknight_> But is there anyway to redirect the apt history logs to syslog so rsyslog can push them to the graylog server? I know CentOS yum's package manager does this by default but i haven't been able to fina a solution for Ubuntus apt.
[15:45] <compdoc> ReddyTeddy, I have 16.04 server with a minimal Mate desktop working with x2go, but other software I use (bacula) doesnt run on 16.04 yet. Or at least I cant get it working
[15:45] <ReddyTeddy> Ah, OK
[15:45] <stacy-> kil.. can you please help me the nmtui?
[15:47] <thirax> hi!
[15:47] <nacc> techknight_: i don't believe there is, at least not easily. you can use the syslog imfile stuff, but it's sort of a hack
[15:47] <curlyears> I have a new laptop coming, a,8Ghz quad core i5 processors, 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD, should I just install 16.04 on it from the getgo, or install 14.04.4 on it, and upgrade it in July?
[15:47] <k1l_> stacy-: there was de-facto trying to help you. but you could not even run the easy task he asked you to run.
[15:47] <stacy-> ubuntu is not user friendly many of the interfaces are difficult to find
[15:47] <techknight_> nacc damn that was not what i was hoping :S
[15:47] <nacc> techknight_: i guess you might be able to hook into dpkg, though?
[15:47] <nacc> techknight_: if you're ok being a layer lower than apt
[15:47] <k1l_> curlyears: if you want to upgraade anyway you can install the 16.04 from the start
[15:48] <stacy-> kil.. defacto does not how to use nmtui
[15:48] <OerHeks> anyway, restarting networking is more than nmtui, all networks should restrt to do dhcp bring life to all adapters
[15:48] <nacc> techknight_: https://wiki.debian.org/AptConf
[15:48] <nacc> techknight_: you could make 'Dpkg:Pre-Install-Pkgs' be any command, afaict
[15:48] <stacy-> this requires nmtui.. because unity gui network manager does not show the WPA for AP
[15:49] <OerHeks> stacy-, anytime we ask you to do something, you come up with another unrelated question, i noticed that.
[15:49] <curlyears> k1l:  OK.  The laptop ought to be here tommorrow or Thursday, I have a USBthumb just waiting for it.  (I finally  have my system stable enough to d/l and copy to USB 16.04. n Befroe that, every time I d/led it, I ran into one of those weird problems I have been having, and lost the foile before backing it up )-:
[15:49] <stacy-> oerheks.. i have done what everybody told me to do.. switch on the hotspot.. but it goes into WEP and does not broadcash the ssid !
[15:50] <techknight_> nacc thanks! i will look into that!
[15:51] <fleopixel> hello
[15:51] <nacc> techknight_: np, gl!
[15:51] <Faiz> hey ppl im back
[15:51] <curlyears> I sure hope the notebook will boot fromn USBthumb.  My desktop doesn't seem to
[15:52] <stacy-> nacc.please help me one last time.. if things doesnt work..i'll have to install windows and try to get it working again
[15:52] <curlyears> fleopixel:  hi
[15:53] <Faiz> The problem of my wifi still presists but his time it did show any nd istead it showed my nd but i wasnt able to connect to it
[15:53] <stacy-> ubuntu has too many ways to do 1 thing and not all the menthods are in uniform and difficult to understand
[15:53] <Faiz> this*
[15:53] <nacc> stacy-: stop pinging random people. I have already said that I don't know how to setup a hotspot.
[15:54] <stacy-> any channel i can go to on setting up ubuntu to work as a AP ?
[15:55] <curlyears> fle histacy-  the fact that there is ALWYS more than one way to do virtually anything under linux *Unix) is considered one of its strongest features
[15:55] <stacy-> i had my ubuntu laptop working as an AP but it does not work now foor some reason
[15:55] <curlyears> stacy-:  this is probably your best bet
[15:59] <curlyears> stacy-:  OK.  How did you originally get your laptop ato work as an AP?
[15:59] <curlyears> stacey-:  also, is English your native language?
[15:59] <stacy-> curlyears.. i used nmtui
[16:00] <stacy-> yes english is my native language
[16:00] <curlyears> stacy-:  and why can you not use nmtui again?
[16:00] <hypermist> englush stacy- * ;D
[16:00] <stacy-> culryears..when i tried to make a AP connection this time ..it does not work
[16:01] <curlyears> rhinos are cute and cuddly
[16:01] <stacy-> the tablet and phones both dont detect the SSID
[16:01] <curlyears> stacy-:  be more specific:  what, excatly happens?
[16:01] <nikkei> hey
[16:02] <curlyears> this is under ubuntu, right?  Which version?
[16:02] <stacy-> curlyears.. first step i would create a connection enter the ssid name
[16:02] <stacy-> ubuntu 15.10
[16:02] <curlyears> OK...
[16:02] <stacy-> culryears.. i then setup th WPA
[16:02] <stacy-> inside nmtui
[16:03] <curlyears> OK, WPA
[16:03] <stacy-> WPA2 personal inside nmtui is easy to find.. but inside unity network gui ..sometimes its there sometimes its not
[16:04] <stacy-> curlyears.. if i use nmtui ..do i need to reboot the computer for the configerations to take effect?
[16:04] <curlyears> stacy-:   ahhh, and that is your question?
[16:05] <leftist> afternoon. i run dual boot and i was wondering if updating to windows 10 is going to cause me any issues with my dual boot?
[16:05] <curlyears> stacy-:   to be honest, I don't know, but that is entirely possible, yes.  Try rebooting
[16:05] <stacy-> curlyears.. i am unable to get nmtui to create a AP on my laptop using WPA again.. i must be missiing a step
[16:06] <curlyears> stacy-: and yyou-ve looked at the available documentation?
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> leftist: normally not, but if you cant enter windows anymore you might try an update-grub
[16:06] <stacy-> curlyears.. everybody here keeps refering to use the built in hotspot button to turn my laptop into a hotspot..but that method is buggy and does not work
[16:06] <curlyears> what, exactly, *IS* nmtui?  I understand it iss a user interfaxce, but for what package?
[16:07] <leftist> lotuspsychje ok thanks
[16:07] <tertiary> i need to raise my ulimit values for my HPC configuration. is there a proper way to find my real upper limits instead of guessing?
[16:07] <curlyears> how is it "buggy?"
[16:08] <nacc> curlyears: network manager (hence nm prefix)
[16:08] <leftist> btw i don't need to keep anything in /tmp do i?
[16:09] <curlyears> right.  Have you checvked all the docs available at ubuntu.com for netwrok manager?
[16:09] <curlyears> leftist:  nope
[16:09] <stacy-> curlyears.. the WPA isnt there in the gui network manager of unity
[16:09] <leftist> thanks
[16:09] <curlyears> answer my question, stacey.
[16:10] <curlyears> !bug report
[16:10] <stacy-> curlyears..yes and the documentation are not in uniform .. all are different with each ubuntu version
[16:11] <stacy-> i was shown a 14.04 documentiation but i have an ubuntu 15.10
[16:11] <curlyears> stacy-:  Of course they are.  You need to use the correct version of nmtui for you ubuntu version.  Perhaps you ouught to upgrade to 16.04/
[16:11] <stacy-> curlyears.. try and find the WPA inside the unity netowrk manager gui
[16:12] <stacy-> curlyears.. the nmtui is working fine
[16:13] <curlyears> stacy-:  To be honest, I have never used the unity netwirk manager nnor nmtui explicitly, so I am just going through some basic debuggiing exercise wit you
[16:13] <curlyears> so use nmtui
[16:13] <stacy-> curlyear..nmtui is able to configuer the wpa settings .. but unity network manager gui can not have the WPA settings
[16:14] <stacy-> curlyears.. how would you turn a laptop into a AP using uubuntu..
[16:14] <buntunoob> Anyone knows of a terminal app that allows you to create shortcuts in its menus? eg. I'd like to create a shortcut to ping <IP_ADDRESS>, say.
[16:15] <stacy-> curlyears.. both nmtui and unity network manager in ubuntu work differently ..
[16:15] <curlyears> stacy-  I have no clue.  I'd start by collecting and reading the available pertinent documentation
[16:15] <dddshroom> Anyone familiar with UFW and prerouting traffic from one interface/port to another IP/port? I've followed the basic setup docs but the rules don't seem to be doing anything.
[16:15] <zincrokx> how to play with ssh
[16:15] <nacc> buntunoob: 'terminal app' ? do you mean a terminal emulator? what menus are you referring to?
[16:15] <zincrokx> i am new to it
[16:16] <stacy-> curlyears.. are you using ubuntu ?
[16:16] <OerHeks> i just read this, stacy- >>>>
[16:16] <OerHeks> At time of writing, nmtui does not support all types of connections. In particular, you cannot edit VPNs, Wi-Fi connections using WPA Enterprise, or Ethernet connections using 802.1X
[16:16] <OerHeks> so no wpa then
[16:16] <curlyears> of course they work differently.  One pre-existed the other, and the second was probably written because someone, somewhere, decided the first didn't do everything they wanted, or didn't do things the way they thought they should be done
[16:17] <OerHeks> now i wonder, did you really ever did this before with WPA?
[16:17] <curlyears> yes, thius particular machine iscurrently live botted form the DVD into 14,04.4 LTS Desktop
[16:17] <stacy-> oerheks.. nmtui can edit WPA .. unity networkmanager CAN NOT EDIT WPA
[16:18] <buntunoob> nacc, correct, a terminal emulator. Do you know of any that allows you to create custom command shortcuts? Preferably with the shortcut adding itself to the application's menu for clicking easiness.
[16:18] <stacy-> curlyears.. do you see the differences btween nmtui and unity networkmanager?
[16:19] <nacc> buntunoob: if you're using a terminal, why do you need to click?
[16:19] <nacc> buntunoob: those seem contradictory and highly inefficient :)
[16:19] <buntunoob> nacc, because some commands can be long and painful to write, whereas clicking is easier. To each his own.
[16:19] <nacc> buntunoob: but you can create command shortcuts in the shell (`man bash`, search for alias)
[16:20] <nacc> buntunoob: but you're making a shortcut for the command ... so it's almost guaranteed to be faster to tab-complete?
[16:20] <buntunoob> nacc, the command and its arguments, which can be multiple.
[16:21] <nacc> buntunoob: are the command and arguments static (like you always want to ping <IP_ADDRESS> or you wan to spawn a dialog box and ping the inputted address?
[16:21] <stacy-> any experts in ubuntu AP confiueration in here using nmtui?
[16:21] <stacy-> please help
[16:22] <curlyears> stacy-    no, but then, I am not looking
[16:22] <buntunoob> nacc, static
[16:22] <nacc> buntunoob: ok, then alias is what you want
[16:22] <nacc> buntunoob: or satisfies your needs
[16:22] <buntunoob> nacc, thanks buddy, I'll look into that!
[16:23] <nacc> buntunoob: but i don't know how to setup any UI stuff in a terminal, sorry :)
[16:23] <curlyears> stacy-:  if you don't get a response after this long, either no one here knows, or for whatever reason, someone who knows chooses not to interact with you
[16:24] <curlyears> nacc:   you're strictly a windowing freak?
[16:25] <nacc> curlyears: no, i mean i don't use my terminal's menus or anything
[16:25] <stacy-> how is it possible nobody know how to setup ubuntu AP using nmtui
[16:25] <stacy-> i feel so depressed
[16:25] <nacc> stacy-: what was the version you had it working on?
[16:26] <stacy-> nacc.. 15.10 ubuntu
[16:26] <nacc> stacy-: i thought you were on 15.10 now and it's not working?
[16:26] <stacy-> nacc..my laptop was on 15.10 and it worked before as a AP
[16:27] <nacc> stacy-: ok, so maybe it's more useful to figure out what changed?
[16:27] <stacy-> but now i dont know why when i configuer the settings it doesnt work any more
[16:27] <nacc> stacy-: as in, did you update, etc
[16:27] <stacy-> nacc.. i deleted everything in the network connection..
[16:28] <nacc> stacy-: that seems like a bad decision.
[16:28] <nacc> stacy-: why would you delete a working configuration?
[16:28] <stacy-> nacc.. because it was not working
[16:29] <nacc> stacy-: i think you are simply withholding information at this point. You just said it was working in 15.10. I asked what changed, you said you deleted everything in the network connection. Now you say it was not working.
[16:30] <stacy-> nacc.. it worked 2 months ago.. then i unpugged the laptop for 1 week and turned it back on.. from theere it did not work
[16:31] <Cursed_God> stacy-: nmtui > edit a connection > add > wifi > set device name to: wireless interface mac ; security: WPA & WPA2 Personal ; Mode: Access Point: ipv4 config: shared ; ipv6 config: auto; tick "available of all users"
[16:32] <stacy-> cursed god ...do i need to reboot after that?
[16:33] <symbolicDeathwsh> lol
[16:33] <Cursed_God> stacy-: no and use ifconfig for wifi interface mac address
[16:34] <stacy-> cursed god..what do you mean use ifconfig for wifi interface
[16:35] <nacc> !tab | stacy-
[16:35] <carrotcorn> Hi! I'm currently on a Lenovo Yoga 2, dual booting Ubuntu 15.10 and Windows 10 (of which I am currently using the latter). The laptop has a Realtek RTL8723BE Wi-Fi adapter which works perfectly on Windows, but doesn't on the installation of Ubuntu (it used to, but stopped abruptly). I followed the guide at http://askubuntu.com/questions/590414/wifi-problems-with-rtl8723be-in-ubuntu-14-04 with absolutely no success.
[16:36] <stacy-> nacc.. i have hexchat the tab key does not autocomplete the nicks
[16:36] <symbolicDeathwsh> !paste
[16:36] <squinty> stacy-,  yes it does
[16:37] <stacy-> squnity...it must be the sequice i been trying to do this.. for some reason it does not work
[16:38] <Cursed_God> stacy-: run ifconfig, copy and paste 'HWaddr' of wifi interface(wlp2s0) to 'device name' in nmtui config
[16:38] <squinty> stacy-,  case sensitive    so if nick starts with capital letter then the first character you type must be a capital letter
[16:39] <OerHeks> squinty, not true, i can type oer<tab> and OerHeks appears
[16:39] <OerHeks> in hexchat
[16:39] <squinty> really
[16:39] <squinty> OerHeks, oh you are correct. mea culpa
[16:39] <OerHeks> but if there is an other oer<name> before me in the list, it won't work indeed
[16:40] <OerHeks> i have to tab twice or more
[16:40] <carrotcorn> Sorry, I got disconnected :[
[16:40] <carrotcorn> Hi! I'm currently on a Lenovo Yoga 2, dual booting Ubuntu 15.10 and Windows 10 (of which I am currently using the latter). The laptop has a Realtek RTL8723BE Wi-Fi adapter which works perfectly on Windows, but doesn't on the installation of Ubuntu (it used to, but stopped abruptly). I followed the guide at http://askubuntu.com/questions/590414/wifi-problems-with-rtl8723be-in-ubuntu-14-04 with absolutely no success.
[16:40] <squinty> yes
[16:40] <Archeus_> hey ppl
[16:40] <curlyears> !ask
[16:41] <curlyears> !patience
[16:41] <carrotcorn> ubottu: Thanks, my bad
[16:41] <curlyears> my newe, larger cursor under gnome is nice, I can see it quite well
[16:41] <OerHeks> carrotcorn, al the steps, also the answer below the page >echo "options rtl8723be fwlps=N ips=N" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/rtl8723be.conf ( especially the ips=N might be important
[16:41] <carrotcorn> OMG i was just about to ask XD
[16:42] <tearsA> guys how can i make a clone of my ubuntu? i mean a disk image. and can i create this packup image when iam logged on?
[16:42] <OerHeks> !clone
[16:42] <carrotcorn> Why doesn't Ubuntu detect the WiFi adapter though?
[16:42] <carrotcorn> Windows does :/
[16:42] <carrotcorn> And Ubuntu used to :/
[16:43] <tearsA> ty ubottu
[16:43] <OerHeks> carrotcorn, did you see my answer?
[16:43] <curlyears> \/whoia oerheks
[16:43] <stacy-> cursed god.. the device name is in red
[16:43] <curlyears> oops
[16:44] <carrotcorn> OerHeks: Oops. Was on a seperate tab. I shall boot into Ubuntu, and attempt to resolve it that way, and return with my findings :)
[16:44] <carrotcorn> OerHeks: Thanks, BTW
[16:47] <Mandalord> I need help. I'm using Ubuntu 14.04.1. Ethernet (eth0) does not work (does not get IP, DNS, gateway etc). Ifconfig still show it eth0. Windows 7 dualboot works without any problem.
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> Mandalord: update to latest 14.04.4 asap please
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> Mandalord: perhaps with a wifi dongle?
[16:49] <Guest19368> hi
[16:49] <Mandalord> lotuspsychje: I don't know about 14.04.4. dist-upgrade does not show it. do-release-upgrade still wait for 16.04.1
[16:50] <Guest19368> hello
[16:50] <Cursed_God> stacy-: device name should look like this xx:x:xx:xx:xx:xx (wlp2s0) ; where wlp2s0 is wifi interface
[16:50] <Mandalord> lotuspsychje: I'm connecting using my wifi. But I want to play game and wifi makes connection unstable
[16:50] <Guest19368> any hacker are there?
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> Mandalord: did you sudo apt-get update first?
[16:51] <stacy-> cursed god.. my wifi is wlp3s0
[16:51] <OerHeks> !hacker
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> Guest19368: this is the official ubuntu support channel
[16:51] <Mandalord> lotuspsychje: yes, certainly. I almost update and dist-upgrade everyday. Is 14.04.4 a new thing?
[16:51] <Cursed_God> stacy-: and pls use my full nick
[16:51] <OerHeks> Guest19368, this channel is not for hackers
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> Mandalord: check lsb_release -a please?
[16:52] <nacc> lotuspsychje: i don't think the hwe stacks are offered automatically? that is, you specifically request the appropriate hwe stack? e.g., utopic-lts vs. wily-lts?
[16:52] <Guest19368> ada poga da
[16:52] <stacy-> cursed god.. its working!!!!!!
[16:52] <Cursed_God> stacy-: then use wlp3s0
[16:52] <stacy-> you are the greatest!!!!!!!
[16:52] <stacy-> i am on my knees now!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> nacc: normal dist-upgrade should move to latest .4 no?
[16:53] <Mandalord> lotuspsychje: oh lsb_release shows 14.04.4. uname -a still shows 14.04.1 tho
[16:53] <ikonia> no it doesn't
[16:53] <ikonia> uname -a doesn't show a release number
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> Mandalord: ok looks good
[16:53] <nacc> lotuspsychje: i can't recall, tbh :) maybe once you've enabled the hwe stacks, it will
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> nacc: seems like he's having .4 so :p
[16:54] <nacc> lotuspsychje: yep :)
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> Mandalord: did you try a sudo service network-manager restart?
[16:54] <carrotcorn> OerHeks: Hi again :)
[16:55] <carrotcorn> It didn't work
[16:55] <Mandalord> lotuspsychje: I did. Not working. Here is ifconfig http://paste.ubuntu.com/16478015/
[16:55] <carrotcorn> OerHeks: The `lspci` command doesn't list the WiFi adapter :/
[16:55] <OerHeks> usb adapter?
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> Mandalord: sudo lshw -C network showing network card driver?
[16:56] <OerHeks> carrotcorn, then use lsusb
[16:56] <argon__> ip link does
[16:56] <Mandalord> lotuspsychje: yes. It shows Ethernet Connection I217-V
[16:56] <carrotcorn> OerHeks: Oh look it's theme
[16:56] <carrotcorn> *there
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> Mandalord: and behind driver= ?
[16:57] <carrotcorn> How might I get it working again?
[16:57] <Mandalord> lotuspsychje: Oh I have to mention I'm using a laptop, and change mainboard (with the ethernet chip) recently
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> Mandalord: ethernet isnt disabled in bios or so right?
[16:59] <Mandalord> lotuspsychje: I don't understand behind driver, so i just post the result here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16478083/ . I did not check the Bios, but it works in Windows 7 dual boot, so I guess Bios is ok
[16:59] <argon__> Mandalord: Can you post the output of "ip link"?
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> Mandalord: driver=e1000e driverversion=2.3.2-k looks good
[17:00] <romare> someone updated from 14.04 to 16.04 lts and he's having a black screen on the opening. what might be the reason?
[17:00] <Mandalord> argon__: here is "ip link" http://paste.ubuntu.com/16478136/
[17:01] <nacc> !ltsupgrade | romare
[17:01] <nacc> romare: they probably shouldn't have updated yet? :)
[17:01] <romare> nacc, yeah I also thought so but there's also this link that tells you can do it? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-14-04-to-ubuntu-16-04-lts
[17:02] <nacc> romare: you *can* doesn't mean you should :)
[17:03] <romare> nacc, thanks
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> romare: wich graphics card does your friend have
[17:03] <romare> lotuspsychje, let me ask
[17:03] <nacc> romare: specifically in that article, i'd focus on "If stability matters more than shiny new features, you can always wait a few months for the (inevitable) early kinks to get worked out and upgrade then."
[17:03] <Mandalord> lotuspsychje: I guess my NIC is not something special, the thing is somehow it does not work, even when system recognize it well
[17:03] <nacc> romare: but it's probably something that can be fixed anyways
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> Mandalord: take a look at your syslog and see whats happening with your network card
[17:07] <argon__> Mandalord: Are you having problem with ethernet or your wireless card?
[17:07] <Mandalord> argon__: ethernet card
[17:07] <nacc> Mandalord: are you using network manager?
[17:07] <nacc> Mandalord: has it not worked since you updated your mainboard?
[17:09] <Mandalord> nacc: yes. It worked unreliably before I changed my mainboard also
[17:09] <nacc> Mandalord: static networking or dhcp?
[17:13] <Mandalord> nacc: dhcp. dhcpclient not work. when I tried sudo dhcpclient eth0 it result into No DHCPOFFERS received and No working leases in persistent database - sleeping
[17:15] <ice_> HELLO[
[17:16] <nacc> Mandalord: hrm, that's not great -- so maybe things are working right, but no dhcp offers are actually coming in? do you control your dhcp server? do you use mac filtering? did you already paste the output of `ip link` ?
[17:16] <Mandalord> nacc: argon__ lotuspsychje: this is the last part of syslog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16478483/
[17:17] <pixxel> Any ubuntu guru that wouldn't mind helping me? My computer freezes for about 1-2 seconds eachtime i move my mouse over a open application window and try to move my mouse between screens. Using the X.org X server, if i use the Nvidia proprietery drivers it works better but then my computer crasches when playing dota.
[17:17] <nacc> Mandalord: yeah it seems to just not be getting an IP from the dhcp server?
[17:19] <Mandalord> yeah it seems so. I'm not in control of dhcp server. I live in a dorm in Korea. It seems my network hook directly into Korea internet :D. This is the Gateway IP I get in Windows 7 using the same NIC <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:20] <nacc> Mandalord: you didn't have to register your laptop or anything with your dorm before? just wondering if possibly the infrastructure is doing mac-based filtering. You put a new ethernet device in and it has a different mac so the dhcp server is ignoring it
[17:20] <Mandalord> nacc: here is ip link http://paste.ubuntu.com/16478136/
[17:21] <nacc> Mandalord: right so you have link and such. It's just dhcp that's failing. My above guess is my best one right now
[17:21] <Mandalord> nacc: No my dorm does not require any MAC registering. I've never done that before. I moved here from Vietnam
[17:21] <nacc> Mandalord: hrm, and it worked in this dorm before with the older mainboard?
[17:22] <Mandalord> nacc: yes it did before. and it works now in windows 7. It just does not work in ubuntu
[17:25] <nb_ff> I'm having sound issues... Everything sounds muffled, echo-y, and far away
[17:25] <nb_ff> I don't know where the problem lies, except that it isn't the hardware
[17:26] <nb_ff> I've been changing settings in pavu and alsa for the last hour trying to get this to work - no dice :(
[17:27] <nacc> Mandalord: i am not sure, sorry -- nothing in the logs indicates (to me) an Ubuntu issue. It's doing what it's been told to, request a DHCP address and just not getting a response from the server.
[17:28] <henry__> What is the aplications for conections an Ubuntu machine by remote desktop to windows?
[17:28] <Mandalord> nacc: yes. I also dont see any problem with my laptop in the log. I just cannot understand why there is no dhcp response for me
[17:28] <Mandalord> henry__: try vnc
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[17:30] <DArqueBishop> henry__: use Remmina. https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/saucy/remmina/
[17:30] <henry__> Another, please!
[17:30] <henry__> Thanks
[17:30] <henry__> !
[17:30] <nacc> henry__: you mean you want to connect to a windows desktop from ubuntu?
[17:31] <henry__> Yes,
[17:31] <nacc> henry__: rdesktop also may work, it uses RDP
[17:31] <nacc> henry__: but i think it needs more windows-side help than others
[17:31] <henry__> yes, Thanks! it is!
[17:32] <argon__> Mandalord: Might be a little farfetched, but have you tried a different port?
[17:33] <sebsebseb> hi
[17:34] <Mandalord> argon__: not yet. I did not think about that. I will find another one tomorrow. However, my room has only 1 line plugged into the wall. So if the neighbor's room's line works, then my cable has problem
[17:36] <argon__> Mandalord: Alright, good luck :) I found a very detailed answer over at http://askubuntu.com/questions/46518/wired-internet-eth0-suddenly-stopped-working-dhcpv4-timed-out which I think might be related to your issue!
[17:37] <henry__> Rdesktop: only it allows me to connect to servers 2000 but I run 2012
[17:37] <Mandalord> ok thank you very much, nacc, lotuspsychje and argon__ i will just try everything until something works :D
[17:38] <henry__> Autoselected keyboard map es
[17:38] <henry__> ERROR: <IP_ADDRESS>: unable to connect
[17:38] <pocimaci> re
[17:40] <tgm4883> henry__: I've not looked too hard for a solution to this, but on the windows servers there is a checkbox that you can uncheck "Allow connections only from computerse running Remote Desktop with Network Level Authentication"
[17:40] <tgm4883> henry__: that should allow you to connect
[17:41] <DArqueBishop> henry__: use Remmina with xfreerdp.
[17:41] <DArqueBishop> I'm using Remmina now to connect to a Windows 10 Professional desktop.
[17:41] <henry__> Ok. Thanks!
[17:44] <henry__> renmina it's Ok. Good
[17:44] <henry__> I am connected to windows server 2012
[17:44] <user121212> Can I sync a remote and local folder always using scp?
[17:45] <henry__> Thakns!
[17:45] <ipatrol> Ok, I know sysadmins at least use to do this quite often, but, in this day and age of unified DEs and fancy GUIs, is there any danger in sharing the same /home partition between different flavors of Ubuntu?
[17:46] <ipatrol> Most people have asked about completely different distros, I'm just talking about different flavors of the same
[17:46] <MonkeyDust> ipatrol  no, it's the normal way to do it
[17:47] <MonkeyDust> ipatrol  or do you mean two different installations?
[17:47] <ipatrol> MonkeyDust: and assuming I use the same username?
[17:47] <k1l_> ipatrol: you can do that easily on ubuntu. just install another desktop meta-package and choose the other desktop in the login screen
[17:47] <MonkeyDust> ipatrol  you can then logout, switch DE, login
[17:48] <ipatrol> k1l_: problem with that idea is that my flavor does some non-standard messing around with the xdg menus, and uses a different kernel
[17:48] <pocimaci> good bye
[17:48] <k1l_> ipatrol: so its not a flavor then
[17:48] <k1l_> ipatrol: if you mean mint, you will have to ask the mint support.
[17:48] <ipatrol> k1l_: it's Ubuntu Studio, which I've been told is a "special case"
[17:48] <Rex_Sum_Ego> I know deb Linux shud i learn arch?
[17:49] <Pici> Rex_Sum_Ego: not if you intend to use Ubuntu.
[17:49] <k1l_> ipatrol: ah. that still should work with ubuntu studio
[17:49] <ipatrol> k1l_: so far my attempts to even do something as straightforward as edit my menu have ended in repeated disaster
[17:50] <ipatrol> apparently Xfce lacks a good menu editor
[17:50] <curlyears> damn.   I just installed 14.04.4  fresh to my HDD, the ionstall went without  hitch, ended with no errors, and asked me to reboot.  When I tried, the BIOS got as far as "Verifying dmi..." abd then hung,.  On several attempts to boot to the HDD
[17:50] <curlyears> help???
[17:51] <ipatrol> curlyears: how old is the HDD?
[17:51] <curlyears> ipatrol:  brand new as of November
[17:52] <Rex_Sum_Ego> Pici: i just wonder if i should learn arch because it's more customizable, I have heard.
[17:52] <ipatrol> Rex_Sum_Ego: no idea, go ask ##linux
[17:52] <k1l_> Rex_Sum_Ego: we focus on ubuntu support in here. if you want to talk about different linux distributions better ask in ##linux
[17:53] <Rex_Sum_Ego> I did, didn't get an answer. They are taking about running Linux on an xbox360
[17:53] <curlyears> is this the only distro that has its own support channel?
[17:53] <ipatrol> Rex_Sum_Ego: not our problem, keep asking
[17:53] <Habbie> Rex_Sum_Ego, arch also has a channel
[17:53] <ipatrol> curlyears: no, most of them do
[17:53] <Habbie> Rex_Sum_Ego, or, just try arch!
[17:53] <Rex_Sum_Ego> Habbie: oo
[17:53] <curlyears> ahhh
[17:53] <Habbie> Rex_Sum_Ego, in the end nobody can judge for you
[17:53] <k1l_> Rex_Sum_Ego: you could ask the arch guys in #archlinux then
[17:53] <curlyears> ipatrol:  any thoughts on my issue?
[17:53] <Rex_Sum_Ego> Will probably just try arch
[17:54] <ipatrol> curlyears: I would usually in your place take a Knoppix CD and see if there are any problems with the bootloader or the kernel image
[17:54] <curlyears> note:  I haave a new PSU on order, it has been determined that my PSU is flakeym, which, theoretically, has been causiong all sort of weird problems
[17:55] <nb_ff> curlyears: I've had hdd issues go away with a new psu
[17:55] <BluesKaj> curlyears:  could be another uefi boot problem. i don't suggest you this ,m but got fed up with the gpt and uefi/bios and wiped my drive clean and crqated anew msdos partition table formatted to ext4 and installed ubuntu the old fashioned way. disabled secure boot and used legacy mode o=in the bios.
[17:55] <curlyears> KNoppix?  Why not ubuntu LiveDVD?
[17:55] <argon__> Rex_Sum_Ego: try it in vm and see if you like it.
[17:55] <ipatrol> curlyears: Because it's small and can boot on just about anything
[17:55] <ipatrol> but like I said, that's just me
[17:56] <curlyears> ipatrol:  this machine is an 8 core AMD64 FCm with 24GB RAM and 3,5TB hadd
[17:56] <nb_ff> curlyears: also I've used freezing successfully, but I don't think that would help your problem, nor would it actually be useful (it being a fresh install with no user data)
[17:56] <Rex_Sum_Ego> aragon_:Will try it in VM box
[17:56] <ipatrol> curlyears: it probably won't work right until you get that new PSU installed
[17:56] <Rex_Sum_Ego> By
[17:57] <curlyears> I suppose.   Running under Live-DVD is so limiting.    *sigh*
[17:58] <marcinlawnik> Hello, I have broken my php7 to apache bridge. I have both installed, but doing sudo a2enmod php7.0 says no module found. I have libapache2-php7.0 installed. Does anyone have any ideas? I also found a thread on a german forum, posted yesterday, no solutioon yet.
[17:58] <marcinlawnik> Anyone any ideas?
[17:58] <ipatrol> curlyears: in the mean time you might be able to set up some kind of UnionFS scheme, that's the other reason I said Knoppix, because you can do that, with the OS on the CD and the other data on a USB stick
[17:58] <symbolicDeathwsh> Hey guys im using Ubuntu Mate with a Raspberry pi 2 and Im having resolution problems. My problems are that at first it doesnt allow me to change the resolution within the display settings section. When i try to run tvservice i get an error and when i manually configuture the resolution myself in boot/config.txt the resolution changes however its the text etc is really pixualated like im using an non
[17:58] <symbolicDeathwsh> native resolution form my monitor (which im not)
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> !arm | symbolicDeathwsh
[17:59] <curlyears> can't do that with ubuntu, eh?
[17:59] <symbolicDeathwsh> Does anyone have any ideas haha
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> marcinlawnik: wich ubuntu version are you on mate?
[17:59] <ipatrol> curlyears: you can, just not easily. Knoppix can do it fresh out of the box
[17:59] <marcinlawnik> 16.04 server
[17:59] <esiodos> hello
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> marcinlawnik: the #ubuntu-server channel might perhaps know more about this also?
[18:00] <curlyears> or go to #raspberrypi
[18:00] <marcinlawnik> I'll try there then,, thanks for directions ;)
[18:00] <symbolicDeathwsh> Danke :)
[18:00] <ipatrol> whereas for UbuntuLiveDVD you'd probably have to make a customized ISO
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> esiodos: welcome, how can we help you?
[18:02] <OerHeks> knoppix, really wonder why someone suggest that, in #ubuntu
[18:03] <ipatrol> OerHeks: different distros serve different purposes. Ubuntu is a distro for you to live and work in, day in, day out. Knoppix is a swiss army knife to get you out of a jam.
[18:03] <compdoc> I dont like jam
[18:03] <ipatrol> compdoc: what about jelly? :-P
[18:05] <moldo> hello i have trouble login in ubuntu can somebody help me please ? i put the correct password but it makes a sound, a black screen; and loop me back to login screen
[18:06] <argon__> moldo: try to boot in recovery mode
[18:07] <moldo> ok lets try argon__
[18:07] <OerHeks> moldo, after an update?
[18:07] <moldo> yes after update
[18:07] <moldo> and upgrade
[18:08] <ipatrol> moldo: *sigh* figures
[18:08] <ipatrol> probably something wrong with the DE, but at least your session manager works
[18:08] <x220_> I am installing U16.04 on a blade server and when I went to reboot after install and I see a Shim UEFI key management prompt, what is it and how do i get rid of it?
[18:08] <OerHeks> moldo, if you are on 14.04, known issue, see http://askubuntu.com/questions/462272/cant-login-to-ubuntu-14-04
[18:08] <moldo> DE ?
[18:09] <OerHeks> remove or rename .xauthority and restart
[18:09] <argon__> moldo: desktop enivronment
[18:09] <moldo> ok let s try this
[18:09] <ipatrol> if you know bash you can fix it by Ctrl-Alt-F1 into the terminal
[18:10] <OerHeks> ipatrol, that is what is suggested in the answer
[18:10] <moldo> no i dont have bash skills
[18:11] <nb_ff> That's making the brash assumption that you need bash skills to enter a few commands
[18:11] <ipatrol> moldo: the instructions are fairly straightforward
[18:12] <argon__> moldo: Have you ever been able to login?
[18:12] <nb_ff>  I know some laptops can be tough to actually press ctrl+alt+f1
[18:12] <ipatrol> nb_ff: you might need two hands to do it, but it's always doable
[18:12] <nb_ff> True.
[18:13] <nb_ff> Speaking of doable, has audio always been this f'd up?
[18:13] <nb_ff> Well, not-doable, i should say
[18:13] <argon__> It's CTRL-Alt-F2 to terminal, CTRL-ALt-F1 to go back
[18:13] <k1l_> F7 is the xserver
[18:14] <ipatrol> nb_ff: Linux audio has historically had a lot of problems, including competing standards
[18:14] <reisio> has it? :p
[18:14] <nb_ff> why is it so hard just to listen to youtube...
[18:15] <nb_ff> I should say that I am getting sounds
[18:15] <reisio> it isn't :)
[18:15] <moldo> argon__, i have the login screen and the password field. when i put the right password it make a sound and roll back to login screen
[18:15] <nb_ff> it's just really bad sounds...
[18:15] <reisio> nb_ff: "bad"?
[18:15] <k1l_> moldo:  what ubuntu version? what video card?
[18:15] <moldo> nb_ff, i can enter commands if you tell me what to run
[18:15] <ipatrol> nb_ff: for some sound cards you need to install pavucontrol and manually adjust some things
[18:15] <argon__> moldo: press CTRL-Alt-F1 and run this: /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p and post the output here
[18:15] <moldo> 14.04 ati 7000 series
[18:16] <argon__> moldo: CTRl-Alt-F2 to go back
[18:16] <nb_ff> I've been messing around with pavu and ALSA for the last hour
[18:16] <nb_ff> everything sounds like it's muffled and echo-y
[18:17] <nb_ff> and vocals in the music I'm listening to sounds like it's being whispered 20 feet away...
[18:17] <ipatrol> could be a bad audio driver
[18:17] <nb_ff> It's worked in the past
[18:17] <DJVG> Hey all, are there some known issues with the new ubuntu 16.04 installer at the moment? I just downloaded the iso but I can't get it to install on any machine. All installs faill with the message that kernel-generic is unable to install.
[18:17] <nb_ff> that's the annoying thing :/
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> DJVG: did you md5?
[18:17] <k1l_> DJVG: what machines are that?
[18:17] <DJVG> I'm a bit worried that i'm doing something wrong. I start the install in expert mode but not doing anything else fancy
[18:17] <moldo> it says no such file or directry  should i run that in root ?
[18:18] <ipatrol> nb_ff: did you check which version of the drivers are being used?
[18:18] <nb_ff> No, how would I go about that?
[18:18] <DJVG> lotuspsychje: yes, md5 sums passed.
[18:18] <antoro> Hi, do you recommend Scheneier's Cryptography Engineering book for beginners?
[18:19] <antoro> sorry :D
[18:19] <antoro> wrong channel
[18:19] <DJVG> k1l_: One Supermicro machine with an X8 bord in it, my Sabertooth P67 moterboard and my Lenovo T420 laptop
[18:19] <ipatrol> nb_ff: Ubuntu Software Center -> Edit -> Software Sources -> Additional Drivers
[18:19] <DJVG> k1l_: No fancy hardware at all, and a upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04 worked on my laptop but not using a regular install
[18:20] <argon__> moldo: Try to run it as root yes.
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> DJVG: you could try to load safe defaults on bios to test
[18:20] <k1l_> DJVG: ok, are you sure the iso is ok? and that the usb is made correctly?
[18:20] <nb_ff> I'm only using a proprietary wifi driver
[18:20] <argon__> moldo: another possibility is to try out a differenct DE, like gnome or mate
[18:21] <DJVG> k1l_: md5sum matched and I've tried PXE booting and now trying to use IPMI virtual drive to install
[18:21] <SYNA> hey where can i find the software center in debian gnome interface?
[18:21] <tables> how can i supply a password to 'sudo su' ?
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> DJVG: on wich ubuntu version did you create the usb with wich program?
[18:21] <tables> through the terminal
[18:21] <k1l_> SYNA: #debian for debian issues
[18:21] <b4ck> g
[18:21] <ipatrol> SYNA: you'd have to install it with Synaptic first
[18:21] <SYNA> i am kind a new in linux
[18:22] <ipatrol> but yeah, -> #debian
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> !sudo | tables
[18:22] <k1l_> DJVG: so no regular usb install?
[18:22] <SYNA> sorry ,  thanks
[18:22] <DJVG> lotuspsychje: I did not use any usb drive yet, but PXE or IPMI install should work
[18:22] <TJ-> DJVG: if "kernel-generic" is what you see then something is wrong, the packages are "linux-generic" which depends on "linux-image-generic" and "linux-headers-generic"
[18:23] <DJVG> k1l_: No, not yet. And I don't really want to because that means I need to drive to DC to plug-in a usb drive haha
[18:23] <DJVG> I'
[18:23] <DJVG> I'm trying to get some log from the installer but my console won't let me scroll
[18:23] <moldo> it says unable to open display
[18:23] <TJ-> DJVG: how about Shift+PgUp ?
[18:23] <DJVG> Tried that ;)
[18:24] <TJ-> DJVG: is it the IPMI console you're referring to?
[18:24] <moldo> argon nb_ff  i m going to try with gnome
[18:24] <romare> lotuspsychje, Nvidia Geforce 920M
[18:24] <k1l_> moldo: 7000series of what?
[18:24] <moldo> ati radeon
[18:24] <k1l_> moldo: what video card driver did you install? how did you install it?
[18:24] <DJVG> TJ-: Yes, direct VGA output. I'll try to scp syslog outside this machine
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> romare: optimus?
[18:25] <moldo> i installed the one given during the update upgrade
[18:25] <DJVG> Yes, nc is present
[18:25] <romare> lotuspsychje, I don't know
[18:25] <romare> lotuspsychje, is it important?
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> romare: wich driver do you have in use?
[18:26] <romare> lotuspsychje, I don't know, it's not my pc
[18:26] <MIJ> hi all
[18:26] <moldo> when i try to install gnomme with apt  it says unable to fetch some achives maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missiong
[18:26] <romare> lotuspsychje, he's a guy from internet
[18:26] <RandomUser1234> I have a 2.3 Ghz quadcore cpu and 6 GB DDR3 RAM. Why does firefox freeze up when loading heavy pages?
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> romare: cant he come to here?
[18:26] <TJ-> DJVG: you're using the ubuntu-server installer, so you can use its menu to access a root shell at any time, so you should be able to bring up networking, and redirect files/fds with "... | nc termbin.com 9999" (assuming 'nc' is in the installer :p
[18:27] <romare> lotuspsychje, he doesn't speak english
[18:27] <romare> lotuspsychje, plus he's on mobile
[18:27] <RandomUser1234> I have a 2.3 Ghz quadcore cpu and 6 GB DDR3 RAM and a fresh install of Ubuntu 16.04. Why does firefox freeze up when loading heavy pages?
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> romare: tell him he can try sudo apt purge nvidia* to go back to nouveau to login
[18:28] <TJ-> RandomUser1234: because something in those pages is hammering the single-threaded Javascript engine most likely. Try loading the pages with JS disabled
[18:28] <RandomUser1234> TJ: the pages run off javascript
[18:28] <romare> lotuspsychje, he cannot reach the OS, how can he type a command?
[18:28] <moldo> i think i should just reinstall it from a 14.04 dvd
[18:28] <RandomUser1234> TJ: It's all AJAX
[18:28] <OerHeks> RandomUser1234, any plugins like adblocker?
[18:28] <RandomUser1234> OerHeks, I'm usng ublock
[18:28] <OerHeks> RandomUser1234, lots of traffic then, up and down
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> romare: ctrl alt F1 to tty
[18:29] <TJ-> RandomUser1234: sounds like the code has a bottle-neck. Use firefox dev-tools to analyse
[18:29] <MonkeyDust> romare  how can you, can he be helped if you cannot follow instructions
[18:29] <k1l_> moldo: you say "update" all the time. which ubunut version was that before?
[18:29] <RandomUser1234> TJ-: It's not my website or addon.
[18:29] <TJ-> RandomUser1234: so? that doesn't stop you using firefox dev-tools to analyse the loading behaviour
[18:29] <moldo> k1l_, it was ubuntu 10.02 i think
[18:29] <MIJ> Can you tell me which is better  CFS or Deadline sched for desktop use, coz i think yesterday my desktop chocked
[18:29] <DJVG> TJ-: NC is there. Was able to copy syslog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16479981/
[18:30] <moldo> romare, i can reach command from recovery mode
[18:30] <romare> moldo, ok, gonna let him try
[18:30] <pryorda> Is there a way to do a memory device like freebsd does with mdconfig??
[18:30] <RandomUser1234> TJ-: But how would I fix it if it's not my website or addon?
[18:31] <DJVG> TJ-: I'm always using a 512MB partition for /boot, which should be enough afaik
[18:31] <k1l_> moldo: maybe remove the driver?
[18:31] <moldo> k1l_,  yes lets remove the driver
[18:31] <pryorda> DJVG: I usually do 2G at a min. That way you can store multiple versions of the kernel.
[18:32] <k1l_> moldo: "sudo apt purge fglrx*"
[18:32] <gustav___> Quick question for you people. Is there an open source search engine?
[18:32] <moldo> ok
[18:32] <gustav___> That's online.
[18:32] <pryorda> gustav___: duckduckgo?
[18:32] <gustav___> pryorda: Is the software open source?
[18:32] <OerHeks> best search engine would be ddg indeed
[18:32] <k1l_> !ot | gustav___
[18:32] <MonkeyDust> gustav___  how is that ubuntu related?
[18:32] <pryorda> gustav___: oh you mean like your own?
[18:32] <pryorda> I unno
[18:32] <gustav___> MonkeyDust: I'm using Ubuntu.
[18:32] <rohan> hi.. how does Ubuntu 16.04 do on hidpi screens these days? Is cinnamon still my best bet for hidpi screens, or is unity good enough?
[18:33] <gustav___> Fine. I'll find some open source channel.
[18:33] <TJ-> DJVG: that looks very revealing; give me a few minutes to analyse it more carefully. It does seem to have captured the problem. Whilst I do that check if there are also installer logs under /var/log/apt/ and maybe /var/log/install (use ls -latr /var/log/ to identify which files/dirs were touched last)
[18:33] <moldo> it remove all the stuff
[18:33] <genii> gustav___: https://www.gigablast.com/
[18:33] <OerHeks> rohan, depends on the videocard i guess
[18:33] <DJVG> TJ-: Sec, i'll copy those too
[18:34] <TJ-> DJVG: the crux seems to start with "mkinitramfs: failed to determine device for /"
[18:34] <rohan> OerHeks: I meant scaling of the font and the UI elements
[18:34] <moldo> k1l_,  ok done
[18:34] <k1l_> moldo: reboot
[18:34] <OerHeks> rohan, yes, that is supported without extra tools
[18:34] <DJVG> TJ-: This machine does use a 3ware raidcontroller configured in raid 10
[18:35] <jnxd> hello, I just installed xenial on my laptop, and somehow it's not detecting wifi at all
[18:35] <gustav___> genii: Thanks. Looks awesome.
[18:35] <MonkeyDust> jnxd  in a terminal, type   nmtui
[18:35] <moldo> hey k1l_ it woooooorkkss !!!
[18:36] <TJ-> DJVG: that's likely it, since the mkinitramfs will run within the chroot /target/ its building
[18:36] <RandomUser1234> TJ-: But how would I fix it if it's not my website or addon?
[18:36] <moldo> :-) thanks guys
[18:36] <MonkeyDust> k1l_  +1
[18:36] <jnxd> I can't even start a hotspot if I connect through wired
[18:36] <jnxd> MonkeyDust: next?
[18:36] <TJ-> RandomUser1234: first thing is to identify if there is problem, enough to be able to report it to the web-site owners at least.
[18:37] <MonkeyDust> jnxd  do you see your hotspot, wifi etc in the list?
[18:37] <TJ-> DJVG: does the 3ware device present as a regular SCSI Device (/dev/sd*) or use some other naming scheme?
[18:37] <TJ-> DJVG: this rings a vague bell from 2007ish with a Dell PowerEdge for me
[18:37] <DJVG> TJ-: It's not a software raid but an exisiting hardware raid. There's not apt dir or installer log file, the only other log is called partman: http://termbin.com/gbb2
[18:37] <jnxd> MonkeyDust: edit a conn, activate a conn, set system hostname
[18:37] <DJVG> TJ-: The device shows up as sda.
[18:38] <DJVG> TJ-: I never had this issue before with any ubuntu release on this machine I must admint
[18:38] <DJVG> admit*
[18:38] <MonkeyDust> jnxd  'activate'
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> DJVG: wich ubuntu version worked?
[18:38] <DJVG> lotuspsychje: I've used 10.04, 12.04 and 14.04 on this machine
[18:38] <TJ-> DJVG: Right, so no apparent reason it'd barf on looking for /dev/sda. In the terminal run "blkid /dev/sda*" and check it identifies the device and any partitions on it correctly
[18:38] <jnxd> MonkeyDust: just the wired connection
[18:39] <jnxd> and I can nly deactivate it
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> DJVG: clean installs?
[18:39] <DJVG> TJ-: Here you go: http://termbin.com/38frm
[18:39] <DJVG> lotuspsychje: Yes, always full clean installs
[18:39] <DJVG> TJ-: Looks good to me
[18:40] <TJ-> DJVG: partman log looks correct. Are you using a separate /boot/ file-system partition?
[18:40] <jnxd> MonkeyDust: hello?
[18:40] <DJVG> TJ-: Yes, sda1 is used as /boot with a size of 512MB
[18:40] <DJVG> TJ-: sda3 is root
[18:40] <MonkeyDust> !wifi | jnxd read this
[18:40] <AaronMT> !warty
[18:41] <TJ-> DJVG: right, do you have a root shell in the installer right now on that machine?
[18:41] <DJVG> TJ-: Yes!
[18:41] <TJ-> DJVG: great, lets get to work! first confirm if /target/ contains the new root file-system being created
[18:42] <TJ-> DJVG: if it doesn't you'll need to "mount /dev/sda3 /target" and "mount /dev/sda1 /target/boot"
[18:42] <DJVG> TJ-: sda3 is mounted to /target and sda1 is mounted to /target/boot
[18:42] <curlyears> TJ-:  why do you suppose I get 0 output when running blkid /dev/sd* and replacing * with 1, 2, or 3?
[18:43] <TJ-> DJVG: it's ahead of me :) Right, "chroot /target update-initramfs -uv -k all |& tee /tmp/initrd.log"
[18:43] <EriC^^> curlyears: try sudo blkid
[18:43] <TJ-> curlyears: because /dev/sd1 is not a valid device.
[18:43] <TJ-> curlyears: "blkid /dev/sda*" would report the device and all its partitions
[18:44] <curlyears> sudo /dev/sdc yields no ooutput
[18:44] <TJ-> curlyears: how about "blkid /dev/sdc*"
[18:44] <EriC^^> sudo blkid /dev/sdc
[18:44] <DJVG> TJ-: No much: http://termbin.com/sae6
[18:45] <curlyears> just tried that under sudo, TJ-, and it stilll only outputs nothing, then returns to the prompt
[18:45] <DJVG> TJ-: There's no initrd image in /boot at the moment.
[18:45] <curlyears> that would be a very usefil command for me
[18:46] <TJ-> DJVG: OK! great, so "chroot /target dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-4.4.0-21-generic |& tee /tmp/dpkg.log"
[18:46] <TJ-> DJVG: we'll work backwards to the point of the failure, then work forwards once its fixed
[18:46] <patcable> hi there. i've got a bug fix into xenial. I was wondering what the process was to backport something into, say, trusty? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1575877
[18:46] <TJ-> curlyears: maybe there's nothing on /dev/sdc ?
[18:47] <TJ-> patcable: see the docs on SRUs (Stable Release Updates)
[18:47] <patcable> TJ-: thanks
[18:47] <nacc> patcable: SRU is roughly the same for any older release
[18:47] <DJVG> TJ-: linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-generic is broken or not fully installed
[18:47] <k1l_> patcable: file a bug and talk to the maintainer
[18:47] <nacc> patcable: i think you can request LP: #1580952 (the xenial sru) also be tracked to trusty
[18:47] <patcable> k1l_: I did, and i patched upstream and it's been accepted into Xenial
[18:48] <nacc> patcable: but they're unlikely to take a whole new version in trusty
[18:48] <TJ-> patcable: nice work, and thanks, it nice to see others fixing things :)
[18:48] <nacc> patcable: so you'll need to provide a debdiff to the version in trusty
[18:48] <patcable> debdiff, okay
[18:48] <shiftx_> hi
[18:48] <k1l_> patcable: ah sorry, didnt properly understand your first question.
[18:49] <curlyears> maybe because I am live-DVD booted, but the drives show up on my launch bar
[18:49] <nacc> patcable: as to requesting the above fix for trusty i believe that is covered in the sru page
[18:49] <TJ-> DJVG: so, the reconfigure didn't work, let's try forcing a complete reinstall "chroot /target apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-4.4.0-21-generic"
[18:49] <patcable> nacc: ok, i'll give that a read. first time going through this process so its a bit confusing
[18:49] <nacc> patcable: sure, feel free to ask questions, #ubuntu-devel may be a more appropriate place
[18:49] <TJ-> DJVG: I'll let you tack on the pipe through tee for logging if you want it from now on :)
[18:50] <patcable> ah ok. I'll go there.
[18:50] <patcable> thanks for the help nacc and TJ-!
[18:51] <MIJ> i ask again can some one advise if its better to use CFS or Deadline sched for desktop use?
[18:51] <TJ-> DJVG: I just noticed "Failed to process /etc/kernel/postinst.d at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-4.4.0-21-generic.postinst line 1052"
[18:52] <DJVG> TJ-: Internal error, NO file name for linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-generic:amd64
[18:52] <DJVG> 4.4.0-21*
[18:52] <TJ-> DJVG: can you "cat /target/var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-4.4.0-21-generic.postinst | nc termbin.com 9999"
[18:52] <TJ-> DJVG: I don't have the -21 here, only -22
[18:53] <hypercube32> how can i get guest additions to work for proper resizing of screen resolution when its a mac as a host?
[18:53] <DJVG> TJ-: I've tried to use "linux-image" too which referes too 4.4.0-21-generic
[18:53] <DJVG> TJ-: My system only shows -21
[18:53] <TJ-> DJVG: yes, the others all depend on linux-image-4.4.0-21-generic so it needs fixing first
[18:54] <MIJ> i ask again can some one advise if its better to use CFS or Deadline sched for desktop use?
[18:54] <TJ-> DJVG: yes, -21 is what the installer has, but since that ISO was released there's been a kernel update to running systems
[18:54] <TJ-> MIJ:  I generally use the lowlatency kernels for desktop
[18:54] <DJVG> TJ-: http://termbin.com/lo1e
[18:54] <angel1604lts> excuse me I have a little problem with ubuntu 16.04does not see me the bluetooth card on my laptop and an hp 4540s
[18:55] <TJ-> DJVG: reading it now
[18:55] <MIJ> tell me more about it TJ
[18:55] <gde33> lol, I just dropped a bunch of files from my desktop onto a folder. They vanished alright, but they are not in the folder?
[18:56] <DJVG> TJ-: /etc/kernel/postinst.d contains apt-auto-removal and initramfs-tools
[18:56] <TJ-> DJVG: that confirms the issue is earlier, in "/target/etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools" I have that here, let me read it
[18:56] <MonkeyDust> gde33  in a terminal, cd to the folder, then: ls -a
[18:57] <TJ-> DJVG: what does "ls -latr /target/boot/" show ?
[18:57] <MIJ> TJ-: hi can you tell me more about it your low latency kernel?
[18:58] <gde33> MonkeyDust: which folder? the Desktop or the target?
[18:58] <DJVG> TJ-: http://termbin.com/v4jz
[18:58] <MonkeyDust> gde33  where you dropped the files
[18:58] <TJ-> MIJ: ubuntu ships -generic and -lowlatency kernel packages, the difference being basically cooperative multitasking versus pre-emptive multitasking
[18:58] <gde33> MonkeyDust: do I just type ls -a or do I have to add something else?
[18:59] <MonkeyDust> gde33  ls -a
[18:59] <MIJ> TJ-: so where can i the instruction and place to install these kernels?
[18:59] <gde33> MonkeyDust: i c, dir does show them there, will ls -a make them visible in the file browser?
[19:00] <turboooooo> hi, I'm running an ubuntu 14.04 on a webserver (on a vserver) - i keep getting these errors: http://pastebin.com/gdvg3gWd
[19:00] <MonkeyDust> gde33  do you see the files in the terminal? do they have a dot?
[19:00] <TJ-> MIJ: "sudo apt install linux-lowlatency"
[19:00] <gde33> MonkeyDust: no, they look normal there
[19:00] <MonkeyDust> gde33  odd
[19:00] <gde33> MonkeyDust: what exactly happened here?
[19:01] <TJ-> DJVG: I think we should try directly calling that script with the correct arguments and confirm the script is good but the update-initramfs but fails
[19:01] <MonkeyDust> gde33  not sure ... and they are invisible in the file manager?
[19:01] <DJVG> TJ-: You mean "
[19:01] <gde33> yeah -.-
[19:01] <DJVG> TJ-: "/target/etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools" right
[19:01] <sebsebseb> hi
[19:02] <DJVG> TJ-: Got my new tobo today with a different return key size to I keep pressing return by accident >.<
[19:02] <sabzeta>  /msg NickServ identify pisica
[19:02] <gde33> MonkeyDust: o lmao, I have a different folder with the same name but an underscore in stead of a space
[19:02] <MonkeyDust> gde33  ok, put what you just did in one line and repeat it every 15 minutes or so, until someone can help
[19:02] <TJ-> DJVG: "chroot /target sh -x /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools 4.4.0-21-generic /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-21-generic"
[19:02] <gde33> MonkeyDust: thanks for the help anyway, ill be quite now :P
[19:03] <sabzeta>  /msg NickServ identify pisica
[19:03] <DJones> sabzeta: New password time
[19:03] <OerHeks> sabzeta, time to change password
[19:03] <TJ-> DJVG: the "-x" ought to make the script debug itself by showing each line before executing it
[19:04] <DJVG> TJ-: Think i need /sys mounted
[19:04] <sobersabre> hi. I'm on 14.04.4 and I'm trying to run rsyslogd as a user "user1" with specific config, so that it listens on a port 10514.
[19:05] <TJ-> DJVG: ahhh maybe: "for n in proc sys dev dev/pts; do mount -B /$n /target/$n; done"
[19:05] <angel1604lts> excuse me I have a little problem with ubuntu 16.04does not see me the bluetooth card on my laptop  hp 4540s
[19:05] <sobersabre> I think my config is ok, but still logger did not make any impression on that instance of rsyslog. I'm suspecting I am missing something in apparmor area.
[19:05] <MIJ> ok let me reboot
[19:05] <TJ-> angel1604lts: what does "hcitool dev" report?
[19:05] <lfitz> i have three partitions for my OSes: win7, ubuntu 16.04, and another distribution, if i install the distribution to the third partition and run update-grub from ubuntu (2nd partition) will it detect the third distro?
[19:06] <sobersabre> can somebody throw some hints on how to validate the problem indeed is apparmor?
[19:06] <lfitz> grub already detected win7
[19:06] <TJ-> lfitz: it ought to, grub has a script /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober that does that stuff
[19:06] <lfitz> ...im dual booting, looking to triplbe boot btw
[19:06] <OerHeks> angel1604lts, internal BT? is there a special FN key to activate ?
[19:07] <angel1604lts> TJ-, I do not give me anything
[19:07] <DJVG> TJ-: Finished without errors
[19:07] <TJ-> angel1604lts: OK, then it may need firmware to operate. try "dmesg | grep firmware" and see if there are any messages reporting missing firmware files
[19:07] <TJ-> DJVG: And "ls -latr /target/boot/" shows an initrd.img-4.4.0-21-generic ?
[19:08] <DJVG> TJ-: Yes
[19:08] <MIJ> TJ-:  hey running on low latency kernel now
[19:08] <angel1604lts> TJ-, ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Info - Loading firmware file 'rt3290.bin'
[19:08] <TJ-> DJVG: so, the problem is that when that script is called arguments are missing
[19:09] <MIJ> TJ-: will this kernel get updated everytime?
[19:09] <TJ-> angel1604lts: OK, that'll be for the Wifi network. maybe something else went wrong. Can you do "pastebinit <( dmesg )" ?
[19:09] <TJ-> MIJ: yes
[19:09] <nickfontana> you guys heard about demonsaw ? i got it a few weeks ago but not many populate it, great open source project, we get to share files between us anonymously and with added encryption for private grouping on top of standard one.... maybe check it out join the community ? Im on debian, it works great....
[19:09] <lfitz> is there a setting for font configs? most of the displayed fonts are fairly bold.. is there a way to make them *thin*
[19:10] <MIJ> TJ-:  thanks mate
[19:10] <DJVG> TJ-: Do you have any clue why? If 16.04 finishes smoke testing in our env. we'll want to reinstall to 16.04 soon, the question is if this is device specific or some kind of b ug
[19:10] <vitorsture> Hi guys, i'am new on linux and need a little help here. I want to scroll down pages on google chrome but it dont work. How can i fix it?
[19:10] <TJ-> DJVG: I'd seriously hold off if I were you; 16.04 is seeing a lot of serious bugs, wait for the .1 release in July
[19:10] <TJ-> DJVG: as to this, now we know what's wrong we an try to figure out why and how to fix
[19:11] <TJ-> DJVG: we know the kernel package postinst script calls the initrd script, so the problem is likely there
[19:11] <DJVG> TJ-: Understood. I was just installing this machine because we always want to stay on top of the latest updates and security patches.
[19:11] <nb_ff> vitorsture: make sure you're on the newest version of chrome
[19:11] <angel1604lts> TJ-,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/16480709/
[19:12] <vitorsture> Thanks nb_ff i will check it
[19:13] <TJ-> DJVG: hold on let me see if I can get a kernel dev's attention on this whilst you've got the system in front of you
[19:13] <DJVG> TJ-:  can try to start a SSH deamon if you want so you guys can login?
[19:13] <DJVG> SShd*
[19:13] <Caleb--> hi
[19:14] <Caleb--> has anyone been experiencing what seem to be random reboots with the recent 16.04 with intel igpus?
[19:15] <Caleb--> i'm not even sure how to troubleshoot this
[19:15] <nb_ff> Caleb--: temps?
[19:15] <TJ-> angel1604lts: I don't see any sign of a Bluetooth device there; has that PC ever used bluetooth with another operating system, such as Windows?
[19:15] <Caleb--> nb_ff, i'm on a desktop
[19:15] <nb_ff> Still - check that the fan is on and working
[19:16] <Caleb--> hmm
[19:16] <nb_ff> and not set to run at 1% or something silly
[19:16] <angel1604lts> TJ-,  ye  in windows
[19:16] <nb_ff> step 1 for me is always to eliminate the possibility of hardware errors/faults
[19:17] <TJ-> DJVG: drop into #ubuntu-kernel. No-one has reacted yet but its quieter there too
[19:17] <jnxd> MonkeyDust:
[19:17] <Caleb--> nb_ff, can i check that from ubuntu itself?
[19:17] <Caleb--> nb_ff, or do i have to drop to BIOS for this?
[19:18] <TJ-> angel1604lts: OK, I'm going to take a wild stab and suggest this is caused by the motherboard's ACPI DSDT not enabling all devices for Linux
[19:18] <nb_ff> I would assume there's something for it. I'm mainly a windows guy, sorry :p
[19:18] <vitorsture> Another thing i am trying to make work is the headphone connector on my keyboard (logitech g110). I plug my earphone in but it dont work. The only way to make it work is to use it directly on the cpu jack but the problem is that my cpu is way to far from me so i want to use the earphone connected in the keyboard. Can i make it work? Sorry for my english (ubuntu mate 16.04)
[19:18] <DJVG> TJ-: Done
[19:18] <nb_ff> Caleb--: http://askubuntu.com/questions/15832/how-do-i-get-the-cpu-temperature
[19:19] <nb_ff> vitorsture: pulseaudio probably has the options you're looking for
[19:19] <angel1604lts> TJ-, and then there are no solutions?
[19:19] <hydrajump> is `ipmitool` no longer available in apt on 16.04?
[19:20] <Caleb--> nb_ff, or do i have to drop to BIOS for this?
[19:20] <Caleb--> woops
[19:20] <Caleb--> nb_ff, temps are ok.  ~ 40c
[19:20] <TJ-> angel1604lts: it is possible that making Linux pretend to be Windows might help
[19:21] <nb_ff> Do you have auto-updating enabled?
[19:21] <TJ-> angel1604lts: do "pastebinit <( sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows ) "
[19:21] <nb_ff> it's possible that it's automatically rebooting after installing updates, Caleb--
[19:22] <OerHeks> hydrajump, yes it is, from universe repo, make sure you enabled that >> http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/ipmitool
[19:22] <squinty> hydrajump,  http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=ipmitool&mode=exactfilename&suite=xenial&arch=any
[19:22] <angel1604lts> sorry TJ-  inside of wiki http://askubuntu.com/questions/300964/hp-probook-4540s-wifi-and-bluetooth-not-working-in-ubuntu-12-04lts is the same o no ?
[19:23] <TikityTik> I have a 2.3 Ghz quadcore cpu and 6 GB DDR3 RAM and a fresh install of Ubuntu 16.04. Why does firefox freeze up when loading heavy pages?
[19:23] <TikityTik> I hear it might be because of javascript
[19:23] <hydrajump> thanks d0lph1n98 squinty
[19:23] <TJ-> angel1604lts: I don't think so, that reports the wifi doesn't work, your dmesg log shows the wifi is working
[19:24] <vitorsture> Thank you so much nb_ff it worked!!!
[19:24] <nb_ff> TikityTik: does it completely freeze or what?
[19:24] <chandwer> I have an external display connected to my laptop, my laptop's screen resolution is 2880x1800 and my external display is 1920x1080. The problem is that windows on my primary display look normal but on the external display everything is ridiculously gigantic. When I am in OSX things scale properly between the displays so it should be possible. Any ideas?
[19:24] <TikityTik> nb_ff: When I use firefox to load a page, the cpu usage goes over 100%. And I don't have the same thing happening with chrome
[19:24] <TikityTik> i have no idea why chrome is working fine but firefox isn't.
[19:24] <nb_ff> They use different implementations of javascript, iirc
[19:25] <nacc> chandwer: it's not an easily fixed thing in linux, unfortunately
[19:25] <squinty> TikityTik,  might want to start firefox in safe mode (which will disable al add-ons) and see if the problem persists
[19:25] <TikityTik> squinty: same thing happens in safemode
[19:25] <angel1604lts> TJ-, is the wifi is fine but does not see me any bluetooth adapter
[19:25] <chandwer> nacc: it should just work out of the box... is there a bug report somewhere for this?
[19:25] <romare> is it true that you can change the location of launcher on unity now?
[19:26] <nb_ff> TikityTik: what page are you loading? is it a public page or something you are working on?
[19:26] <TJ-> angel1604lts: run the command I gave you and give us the URL of the pastebin it generates
[19:26] <TikityTik> squinty: It's still freezing hard even in safemode
[19:26] <TikityTik> nb_ff: A public page.
[19:26] <xangua> romare: you can change it to the bottom in xenial
[19:26] <nacc> chandwer: dunno, it's not a trivial problem to solve (iirc has to do with the basic nature of the x windowing system and where dpi is stored). Supposedly yyou can use xrandr to try set the dpi scaling per-monitor, but i didn't have much success with it.
[19:26] <squinty> TikityTik, there is #firefox channel here on freenode
[19:26] <dbz2k> does somebody know where I can get pf-kernel for ubuntu 16.04?
[19:27] <angel1604lts> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/16480921/
[19:27] <nb_ff> TikityTik: this may help: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-uses-too-many-cpu-resources-how-fix
[19:27] <nacc> dbz2k: what is it?
[19:28] <w00tburger> anyone here use a webcam for home security?
[19:28] <chandwer> nacc: Yeah, I tried messing around with xrandr without much luck. I mean OSX is able to figure it out so... like it must be possible. I was wondering if there is a bug report or a place I can file a bug report.
[19:28] <chandwer> like... it's pretty broken
[19:28] <dbz2k> nacc, https://pf.natalenko.name/
[19:28] <nacc> dbz2k: i see, an unofficial fork of the linux kernel? they provide the source, just build it from there? ubuntu does not support said kernel
[19:28] <TJ-> angel1604lts: so the latest Windows version the ACPI DSDT recognises looks to be "Windows 2013", which is what Linux needs to pretend to be
[19:28] <nb_ff> chandwer: http://askubuntu.com/questions/393400/is-it-possible-to-have-two-different-dpi-configurations-for-two-different-screen maybe helpful?
[19:29] <chandwer> nb_ff: yeah, i tried that with no luck
[19:29] <genii> w00tburger: Better to just ask your actual question about webcams and Ubuntu
[19:29] <nb_ff> Dang :/
[19:29] <nb_ff> I've met a few people who do, but they all use windows
[19:30] <w00tburger> I did. I am curious to know what other peoples setups are like
[19:30] <nacc> chandwer: you can of course file a bug in launchpad, but honestly, i don't think this is an ubuntu-only thing
[19:31] <MIJ> TJ-: hi
[19:31] <genii> w00tburger: For that, #ubuntu-offtopic is a better channel. This one is for helping users who have actual support issues
[19:31] <nacc> chandwer: i think it's a basic OOB experience in any Linux distribution, mixing dpi (quite common with hidpi) is not perfect
[19:31] <w00tburger> rodger that. thanks
[19:31] <nacc> !bug | chandwer
[19:32] <chandwer> it at least needs to be discussed, I'll do that thanks
[19:32] <chandwer> kinda embarrassing when OSX and Windows does it just fine XD
[19:32] <TJ-> angel1604lts: "sudo sed -i 's/^\(GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=".*\)"/\1 acpi_osi=! acpi_osi=\\"Windows 2013\\" "/' /etc/default/grub "  then do "sudo update-grub" then try a reboot
[19:32] <nacc> chandwer: however, note that it's not really validly a bug that "OSX figures it out, so Ubuntu should too" :)
[19:32] <nacc> chandwer: i don't think that logically follows or is embarassing
[19:33] <nacc> chandwer: both companies (and their customers) pay for that privilege...
[19:33] <nacc> chandwer: and probably the hw vendors make it easy for them :)
[19:33] <nb_ff> windows does NOT do it fine
[19:33] <chandwer> I mean, I take pride in being a Linux user so to me it's embarrassing and would like to do whatever I can to help fix it lol
[19:34] <nb_ff> well, windows 7 does it ok. win10 is shit at it
[19:34] <chandwer> because I want linux to be the best
[19:34] <nick_name_123451> How do I sell software on Ubuntu; using the software center?
[19:35] <angel1604lts> TJ-, I'm sorry you can write the commands that I have to give?
[19:36] <chandwer> nacc: this is what it ends up looking like lol, http://i.imgur.com/TaaNoCX.jpg
[19:36] <nacc> chandwer: i don't really need to see it, i have a similar setup at home
[19:37] <TikityTik> nb_ff: I already tried that page. I tried deleting the default firefox profile and creating a new one. Still pretty bad cpu usage.
[19:37] <nb_ff> TikityTik: one thing I've found to be true of browsers: chrome eats RAM, firefox eats CPU
[19:38] <TikityTik> nb_ff: I would use chrome, but chrome has issues with some videos. Not sure why
[19:38] <nb_ff> whichever I have excess of is the browser I use on that machine
[19:38] <argon__> we should all go with lynx, doesen't do either :p
[19:38] <TikityTik> argon__: :|
[19:40] <nb_ff> chandwer: I'd say your best bet for now is to set it per-app. Chrome, terminal, and probably most will respond to ctrl and +/-
[19:40] <sobersabre> chandwer: this is my subjective opinioin, but currently graphical area in linux sux. the wayland is still not too useful, but xorg is already undermaintained and new chipsets are not supported very well.
[19:41] <ziscqo> moin
[19:41] <sobersabre> chandwer: I moved to windows on my laptop due to that.
[19:41] <sobersabre> ziscqo: moin moin
[19:42] <nb_ff> TikityTik: https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/6138475?hl=en
[19:42] <nb_ff> maybe helpful, maybe not
[19:43] <k1l_> chandwer: make sure you got the right driver for your video card running.
[19:44] <chandwer> yup, nvidia drivers
[19:45] <nb_ff> not the best solution - change the resolution of the higher-dpi one
[19:45] <nb_ff> or force a higher resolution to the lower-dpi one
[19:45] <nb_ff> either one will give you 'blurry' but at least you can get the text to be the same size across screens
[19:46] <TikityTik> nb_ff: Chrome seems to have the videos crash or the browser crash itself. I forgot which.
[19:47] <angel1604lts> TJ-, Thanks now I see
[19:48] <nb_ff> What CPU do you have (do you know the exact model?)
[19:48] <daniele_> Hi everyone
[19:48] <daniele_> :)
[19:48] <Codfection> guys my chrome screen flashes sometimes while browsing (ubuntu 16.04)
[19:49] <Codfection> any fixes?
[19:49] <TikityTik> nb_ff: I'm on a laptop. AMD Quad-Core Porcessor A6-3400M.
[19:49] <daniele_> Can anyone help me with a problem with Gnome themes?
[19:49] <sanguisdex> how do I turn off auto package updating. its breaking my config managment
[19:49] <Nixen_> hi, is the port guide for porting ubuntu touch still validate?
[19:49] <sanguisdex> ^ xenial
[19:50] <setre> i have an old version of ubuntu and i can't update/upgrade via apt. what to do?
[19:50] <OerHeks> Nixen_, join #ubuntu-touch for that
[19:50] <vitorsture> I am trying to press & hold the middle mouse button and move my mouse to scroll but it actually dont work anywhere. It seems that In Linux, the default behavior for this action (pressing middle mouse button) is generally used for pasting text. How can i change it? Its very annoying to me
[19:50] <Nixen_> ok, sry
[19:50] <nb_ff> setre: have you tried using sudo :p
[19:50] <OerHeks> sanguisdex, go into updates and choose manual?
[19:50] <k1l_> setre: "lsb_release -d" gives you what output?
[19:51] <sanguisdex> OerHeks: on the command line, no gui access
[19:51] <setre> ubuntu 13.04
[19:52] <nb_ff> TikityTik: sorry man, I've nothing. Best of luck in figuring it out, though.
[19:52] <nb_ff> hm.. actually, going back to my first step
[19:52] <nb_ff> is it thermal throttling?
[19:52] <k1l_> setre: uh. you missed to upgrade a long time ago. you would need to do 2 eolupgrades to get to 14.04 which still is supported.
[19:52] <k1l_> !eolupgrade | setre
[19:53] <setre> thanks
[19:54] <vitorsture> What should i do?
[19:54] <OerHeks> sanguisdex, see this manual, set 1 to 0 in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic > https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/automatic-updates.html
[19:55] <k1l_> vitorsture: middle mouse click is only used on windows for scrolling.
[19:56] <vitorsture> There is no way to change it? I cant use it even in chrome
[19:57] <angel1604lts> TJ-, ok I restarted and after restart I do not see more
[19:57] <OerHeks> vitorsture, there is no option in unity tweak too, so i guess the answer is no
[19:59] <R13ose> Some programs include files y
[20:00] <Codfection> Guys why I cant use this command on terminal?
[20:00] <Codfection> "--disable-gpu-driver-bug-workarounds" --enable-native-gpu-memory-buffers"
[20:00] <R13ose> Some programs including files the only certain letters are showing the rest have disappeared, how do I get them back?
[20:00] <OerHeks> R13ose, sounds like a driver issue, what videocard?
[20:01] <R13ose> OerHeks: how do I check?
[20:01] <vitorsture> lol, I cant get used to this. The ONLY way to use this simple feature is use Windows? wtf I am new on linux but it seems very strange to me, I just want to scroll down things hahahaha
[20:02] <k1l_> vitorsture: use the mousewheel :)
[20:02] <OerHeks> vitorsture, use the scrollwheel hahaha
[20:02] <OerHeks> R13ose, look in systemsettings - details
[20:03] <vitorsture> I am using it at the moment but it to slow/strange to me.  WTF
[20:04] <nb_ff> I'm actually pretty annoyed with the click/scroll thing in windows so...
[20:04] <OerHeks> vitorsture, keep calm, that language is not appreciated here, thanks
[20:04] <R13ose> OerHeks: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[20:04] <k1l_> OerHeks: yes. nice spot. could be the reason.
[20:04] <nb_ff> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/autoscroll/occjjkgifpmdgodlplnacmkejpdionan?hl=en
[20:05] <OerHeks> R13ose, any scaling set in systemsettings - monitors?
[20:06] <R13ose> OerHeks: I can't really navigate with hardly any labels in there
[20:07] <vitorsture> Thank you again nb_ff, this solves my problem at least with google chrome!!
[20:09] <OerHeks> R13ose, no clue then :-(
[20:09] <OerHeks> R13ose, you might want to play with fonts and settings, to see if all fonts and sizes behave like this
[20:10] <R13ose> OerHeks: this is not happening all the time.
[20:12] <TJ-> angel1604lts: use "cat /proc/cmdline" to ensure the acpi_osi= ... values are in use
[20:16] <angel1604lts> TJ-, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16481557/
[20:16] <R13ose> Any other thoughts on my question?
[20:17] <krabador> oh angel1604lts ma quanti ne hai messi di acpi ...
[20:18] <brym> is it a good idea to dd a drive while it's being used?
[20:18] <angel1604lts> krabador,  salve maestro  dammi una mano
[20:18] <krabador> !english | angel1604lts
[20:18] <OerHeks> brym, try it, you cannot.
[20:18] <k1l_> brym: no its a bad idea
[20:18] <krabador> ;)
[20:18] <brym> nice one, cheers guys
[20:19] <brym> i'm in a bind then. can't mount my nas from a live cd to dd it.
[20:20] <OerHeks> brym, NAS running ubuntu?
[20:20] <k1l_> brym: get that hdd out and use that on another machine. or ask that NAS support
[20:23] <Yxhuvud> hmm. my usb network adapter shows up as enx9cebe804ab9c instead of eth0, and isn't able to get any network going.
[20:24] <brym> OerHeks, k1l_: not running ubuntu on the nas, and i'd rather not start pulling drives... but if it comes to it, guess i'll have no choice.
[20:26] <imr> hi, I'm trying to find xrandr 1.2 in a xenial package
[20:27] <OerHeks> info xrandr
[20:27] <OerHeks> !info xrandr
[20:28] <imr> actually, I found it
[20:28] <imr> It was x11-xserver-utils
[20:29] <TJ-> angel1604lts: it looks like you ran the command to add those entries a few times, there should only be one set of "acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2013"  " :)
[20:29] <imr> but it says 'newest version' when apt-getting the package
[20:30] <OerHeks> !info x11-xserver-utils
[20:31] <zicus> ciao
[20:31] <devhero> Hello everyone , I need hlep with my ubuntu 14 please
[20:32] <MonkeyDust> devhero  14.04 or 14.10?
[20:32] <Bashing-om> !details | devhero
[20:32] <angel1604lts> TJ-, solutions? please
[20:32] <imr> don't ask to ask, just ask. ;p
[20:32] <devhero> alright ..just wanted to make sure there is someone listening :)
[20:33] <devhero> here is the problem, I have dual OS on my laptop , I have Windows and Ubuntu .
[20:33] <OerHeks> imr, so no newer xrandr, why do you need that version
[20:33] <Ben64> devhero: you'll get better results if you just ask your actual question, nobody really responds to the "i need hlep" kind of stuff usually
[20:33] <devhero> after a Windows update, both systems failed to boot
[20:33] <imr> OerHeks, xfce display settings says that
[20:34] <imr> 'you have xrandr 1.1, you need 1.2'
[20:34] <devhero> I got the grub resuce screen, I tried to fix the grub without any luck , I ended up using the Windows CD to repiar the boot and my laptop boot directly now to Windows
[20:35] <devhero> when I try to view the partitions , the ubuntu partion appears as free space !
[20:35] <imr> probably because windows reformatted? maybe?
[20:35] <devhero> and maybe this is why I couldnt fix it via the grub rescue tools
[20:35] <devhero> I don't think windows is stupid enough to do that
[20:35] <TJ-> angel1604lts: firstly, use a text editor to clean up the line in /etc/default/grub so it only has one set of options . something like "gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub" and goto the line starting GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= and edit it to have only one set of "acpi_osi=! acpi_osi=\"Windows 2013\"  "
[20:36] <TJ-> angel1604lts: then save the file and do "sudo update-grub"
[20:36] <minimec> devhero: Windows cannot read ext4 partitions. So the partition might show as something as unknown...
[20:36] <devhero> it was a major windows update that started all this
[20:36] <OerHeks> imr, hmm you might want to reask in #xubuntu
[20:36] <imr> OerHeks, okay, I'll try.
[20:36] <devhero> what is #xubuntu ?
[20:37] <imr> support channel for xubuntu
[20:37] <Ben64> devhero: pop in an ubuntu dvd/usb and come back here
[20:37] <OerHeks> !flavors
[20:37] <devhero> ok , I just noticed it is an answer for someone else :)
[20:37] <OerHeks> xubuntu is a DE
[20:38] <devhero> @minimec, you are right, the patition format should appear as unknow or anything else but not as free space
[20:38] <OerHeks> devhero, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2320440 maybe it applies to you too
[20:39] <devhero> in the grub resuce , when i tried to run : ls (hd0,msdosx)/
[20:39] <OerHeks> Thread: Windows 10 update wiped grub and ubuntu 12.04 dual boot.
[20:39] <devhero> I get nothing
[20:39] <Ben64> devhero: pop in an ubuntu dvd/usb and come back here
[20:40] <devhero> thanks @OerHeks, I will check it out now
[20:40] <devhero> I read many articles , none of them was quite solving the same exact problem
[20:41] <OerHeks> to solve it, follow Ben64 advice, boot the live iso
[20:41] <Ben64> don't even know what the problem actually is yet, just speculating so far
[20:43] <OerHeks> see #10
[20:46] <devhero> yes , I will follow the last post (#10) and I hope this will fix the problem , thanks so much guys !
[20:50] <anops> hi
[20:51] <thebluesquirel> hi
[20:51] <anops> Which Ubuntu Version should I pick? I mainly do research and have to run complex environments in VMs for machine-learning or web-development
[20:52] <thebluesquirel> How can I take music off an apple device in ubuntu?
[20:52] <Ben64> anops: version? 16.04
[20:52] <anops> I also really want to have zfs snapshots for my real important tasks
[20:53] <anops> Ben64: I only have a 5y old legacy notebook with switchable AMD Radeon HD4500 graphics, would that run?
[20:53] <imr> server 16.04 would help, probably.
[20:54] <anops> imr: server 16.04?
[20:54] <imr> if you need gui though, you'll have to manually apt-get it
[20:54] <imr> anops, yes, server 16.04
[20:58] <anops> imr: that really sounds like a good idea, but is it possible to run VMs int tty1-7?
[20:59] <anops> I really would love to have something like this https://www.qubes-os.org/attachment/wiki/GettingStarted/r2b1-dom0-konsole.png
[20:59] <Ben64> not sure you can run a bunch of vms on a laptop you're not sure can even run ubuntu
[21:00] <anops> Oh I runs Ubuntu, but I don't know if 16.04 dropped some compatibility for legacy laptops and graphics cards
[21:00] <anops> it
[21:01] <OerHeks> ati 4xxx is supported by the open driver
[21:01] <OerHeks> !ati
[21:01] <anops> OerHeks: oh that's greatnews!
[21:01] <OerHeks> limited 3d, maybe youtube can run ..
[21:01] <Codfection> how to update to new kernal?
[21:01] <Codfection> guys?
[21:01] <Codfection> OerHeks,
[21:02] <Ben64> Codfection: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[21:02] <OerHeks> Codfection, wait for an update, else you can use a kernel from mainline, but then you are on your own
[21:02] <imr> Codfection, you can usually upgrade through this command
[21:02] <OerHeks> !mainline
[21:02] <k1l_> Codfection: what new kernel?
[21:02] <imr> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[21:02] <Codfection> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade is same as full upgrade?
[21:03] <Ben64> yep
[21:03] <Codfection> k1l_, 4.6
[21:03] <OerHeks> why do you need a newer kernel ?
[21:03] <imr> yes, I believe so
[21:03] <k1l_> Codfection: no ubuntu ships 4.6. you will need the mainline for that
[21:03] <Codfection> OerHeks, perhaps improvement
[21:03] <Codfection> in security
[21:03] <Codfection> and existing kernal
[21:03] <Ben64> perhaps is not a good reason to do that
[21:03] <OerHeks> 4.6 is just released, i wouldn't try ..
[21:03] <OerHeks> security .. really?
[21:04] <anops> Most of my research projects would require lots of compilation and installation of stuff I wouldn't need after it's completed. Is there a comfortable way to manage lightweight Containers for this task?
[21:04] <k1l_> Codfection: ubuntu includes the security stuff into the old kernels.
[21:04] <Codfection> k1l_, oh I see.. thanks. didnt know about that
[21:04] <k1l_> !usn  | Codfection
[21:04] <Codfection> so the kernal we use in ubuntu is different than original kernal for linux?
[21:04] <Codfection> modified version?
[21:05] <k1l_> yes. its called security backports.
[21:05] <OerHeks> there are more than 1 stable kernels that get security updates
[21:05] <Codfection> k1l_, thanks. didnt know about that.
[21:05] <Codfection> OerHeks, alright
[21:05] <Codfection> so I guess I should wait
[21:06] <Bomber4Chats> I would highly appreciate it if someone could help me with my issue with make-ing opencv on my machine: http://pastebin.com/VDtcC4Yz
[21:06] <Codfection> for ubuntu to officially release the latest kernal
[21:06] <k1l_> Codfection: ubuntu versions stay on one major kernel version.
[21:07] <Codfection> so k1l_ .
[21:07] <anops> Is there a way to create a lightweight containers for work which only isolates the application and environment for me, but shares the kernel?
[21:07] <Codfection> security backports are done by debian team right?
[21:07] <anops> in Server 16.04
[21:07] <Codfection> as ubuntu is based on debian
[21:07] <k1l_> Codfection: so 15.10 was released with kernel 4.2 and stays on 4.2. but it gets security and heavy bug updates all the time, as long as 15.10 is supported.
[21:07] <OerHeks> anops, that is the key of containers <> vm, it shares kernel
[21:07] <k1l_> Codfection: no. ubuntu got an own security team dealing with that.
[21:08] <Codfection> k1l_, wow. good to know that. thanks :)
[21:08] <k1l_> but it will stay on 4.2 just the number after that will change. so like 4.2.13 to 4.2.19 etc
[21:09] <Codfection> so it wont ever get updated to latest kernals?
[21:09] <Codfection> how about 16.04
[21:09] <anops> OerHeks: oh and how should I manage such containers in server 16.04, so that I can start one isolated graphical desktop on tty1 and a research project on tty2?
 so it wont ever get updated to latest kernals? wrong, eventually it will
[21:09] <k1l_> Codfection: only difference is for the LTS versions. they get an additional kernel version 3 month after that kernel was released in a new ubuntu
[21:10] <sebsebseb> Ok I have just upgraded 15.10 to 16.04 and installed the Unity8 package from the repos which bought in quite a few other packages as well, as expected from a meta package.  Howevever Unity 8 is not an option on the log in screen after install, which I was hoping it would be. So how do I launch it?
[21:10] <OerHeks> Codfection, somehow this is not a support question, just chit-chat
[21:10] <OerHeks> :_D
[21:10] <Codfection> OerHeks, its ubuntu related I guess. we should know about kernals if we are actually using the system
[21:10] <k1l_> sebsebseb: look at mhall119 s website posting to see what you need to install and do.
[21:10] <sebsebseb> k1l_: got a link ?
[21:11] <tgm4883> which is what #ubuntu-discuss is for
[21:11] <k1l_> Codfection: that is basically true for all ubuntu packages. you dont get version udpates. just security fixes ported back to the old version (except webbrowsers).
[21:12] <k1l_> sebsebseb: http://mhall119.com/2016/05/dogfooding-unity-8/
[21:12] <Codfection> that should be changed. shouldnt it? what do you think k1l_
[21:12] <k1l_> Codfection: no
[21:12] <k1l_> Codfection: please read about stable-relase-system (what debian and ubuntu is) and a rolling-release-system what you say you want.
[21:13] <Codfection> alright k1l_. thanks :)
[21:13] <Codfection> regarding sebsebseb. unity 8 will come to ubuntu 16.04?
[21:14] <sebsebseb> k1l_: hmm his package starts mentiong a ppa,  so the actsual Unity8 package in the 16.04 repos is pretty much useless maybe then?
[21:14] <k1l_> Codfection: read the link. its already in 16.04. its not the default desktop.
[21:14] <k1l_> sebsebseb: no. but there is a lot of development now and the packages in the repos dont get updated.
[21:14] <sebsebseb> k1l_: his guide I meant
[21:15] <sebsebseb> k1l_: ok but I guess I Got a older Unty 8 installed then, it's just showing on the log in screen for some reason,  so can't just load it up,  any idea how to get that one loading up?  editing the log in screen or whatever
[21:15] <k1l_> sebsebseb: read his blockpost please. he talks about common issues and stuff.
[21:15] <k1l_> *blog
[21:16] <sebsebseb> k1l_: yeah didn't finnish reading, bbut it started menting a ppa like straight away so
[21:16] <sebsebseb> so not the one from repos
[21:17] <sebsebseb> k1l_: maybe this will work for the one from repos: sudo apt install unity8-desktop-session-mir
[21:17] <alexmh> anops, if you're trying to run graphical apps from docker, check out these resources https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/docker-containers-on-the-desktop/ http://fabiorehm.com/blog/2014/09/11/running-gui-apps-with-docker/
[21:18] <sebsebseb> k1l_: if I got a older version installed I would want to try the older version, before doing a later one, but well that's me :D
[21:18] <k1l_> sebsebseb: yes. that package is what is needed and its in the official repos.
[21:18] <sebsebseb> k1l_: ok I'll try that I guess :)
[21:18] <sebsebseb> k1l_: can run a ppa later on for an update anyway as well so
[21:18] <k1l_> sebsebseb: but i will stop answering until you read that blogpost so i dont have to write the blogpost complete in here again ;p
[21:19] <paolo__> ciao
[21:19] <paolo__> hi
[21:20] <paolo__> hi
[21:20] <paolo__> ciao
[21:20] <k1l_> hi paolo__
[21:20] <paolo__> somebody expert abou xfce here ???
[21:21] <paolo__> somebody expert abou xfce here ???
[21:21] <paolo__> somebody expert abou xfce here ???
[21:22] <OerHeks> paolo__, try #xubuntu
[21:22] <k1l_> paolo__: we dont know until you ask a real technical question
[21:22] <paolo__> yes, I am using xfce since years...  I changed the default file managers with nautilus
[21:23] <anops> alexmh: That really sounds like what I want. Wish it would be a little more easy though, sometimes you just want to get work done, hope you don't missundersand. It's not about being lazy, but having just too much work to do other than learning docker or lxc
[21:23] <safari_> hi everyone! I"ve tried sending udp through bash and python and keep getting UDPsock.sendto errors and "operation not permitted" when trying to echo udp commands, both   even when sudo.  Anyone know about this?
[21:24] <paolo__> I changed the default file managers with nautilus but desktop and volumes mounting still use thunar, which gives problems...  how can I change desktop and volumes mounting settings in order to purge thunar ?
[21:24] <sebsebseb> k1l_: ok  read it mostly  and word for wordd or mostly
[21:24] <alexmh> anops, oh, well you said containers, so docker and lxc came to mind immediately :)
[21:24] <paolo__> thanks if you can answer
[21:24] <sebsebseb> k1l_: yes may bump into a few issues then
[21:24] <OerHeks> paolo__, remove thunar then,  sudo apt-get purge thunar*
[21:24] <sebsebseb> k1l_: trying the repos one or the ppa
[21:24] <k1l_> unity8-desktop-session-mir is the right pacakge, sebsebseb
[21:25] <sebsebseb> k1l_: and then it depends if something comes up or not I guess
[21:25] <sebsebseb> k1l_: but yes I'll try that first
[21:25] <k1l_> because unity8 is running on MIR only. so you need that wrapper to be able to run that at all. but that is in the repos, in the ppa its just a newer version.
[21:25] <anops> alexmh: no, you're absolutely right, I think I need to setup Server 16.04 and learn how I can use zfs to snapshot important work in these containers
[21:26] <k1l_> you will need to enable the service as explained in the blogpost.
[21:26] <sebsebseb> k1l_: yes I understand that ppa is for newer version, so  will probably do that later on,  first do repos stuff
[21:26] <alexmh> anops, Why not just use duplicity to back things up?
[21:27] <anops> alexmh: I usually do two remote copies of important files onto seperate disks and zfs send is very fast
[21:27] <paolo__> changing the file xfce4-session.xml the voice 'thunar'  with 'nautilus'  should solve the problem ?
[21:27] <anops> alexmh: I'm just very new to zfs, so I've learned howto backups snapshots via zfs send, but have no clue how I reliably rollback without destroying newer snapshots
[21:28] <sebsebseb> k1l_: ok thanks for your help :)
[21:30] <OerHeks> paolo__, you might want to reask in #xubuntu
[21:30] <sebsebseb> k1l_: whats silo in his brackets?
[21:31] <alexmh> anops, well good luck, duplicity is pretty great for backup though, so you could consider it, I backup my home directory and /etc/ and it only takes about 2.5 minutes to do so incrementally
[21:31] <paolo__> yes
[21:31] <alexmh> It also supports a variety of storage solutions
[21:32] <Maynard> Heello All.  I installed AMD64 14.04 through transmission and sent it upon download directlly to the USB I wanted to use for a bootable flash.  I can see the files on there but it will not boot from the drive.  Any suggestions?
[21:32] <OerHeks> anops, see snapshots, all of them get an unique name https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/ZFS
[21:32] <k1l_> sebsebseb: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg08977.html
[21:33] <OerHeks> logically
[21:33] <sean_> wait how would i add another server on xchat-gnome
[21:33] <sean_> it sent me here by default
[21:33] <OerHeks> Maynard, that is not how it is done, you have the .iso on usb now, use usb creator to make a bootable usb
[21:33] <Ben64> Maynard: "installed through transmission" ???
[21:34] <sean_> wait how would i add another server on xchat-gnome
[21:34] <Ben64> ctrl+t
[21:34] <OerHeks> sean_, logout, and choose another server?
[21:34] <sean_> not working
[21:34] <Ben64> it does work
[21:34] <k1l_> sean_: better use "hexchat" instead of xchat-gnome
[21:34] <sean_> ok i'll try that
[21:35] <dax> ugh xchat-gnome
[21:36] <kamild1996> Hello, anyone here using oibaf's or padoka's mesa driver for AMD? I would like to know if there are any tweaks that can be applied to make them work better
[21:37] <OerHeks> kamild1996, ppa's are not supported here
[21:37] <OerHeks> !ppa
[21:37] <kamild1996> Sorry, didn't know that. Where can I ask then?
[21:38] <Maynard> OerHeks_OK........I thought that would be easier but will do.  Thanks.  Ben64_installed through Ubuntu' program called Transmission. It's for torents.
[21:38] <OerHeks> not sure there are valid tweaks.
[21:39] <OerHeks> Maynard, now you have the iso, insert a 2nd usb and use usb-creator?
[21:39] <anops> OerHeks: Isn't it much safer to install from PPAs solely in Containers?
[21:40] <OerHeks> anops, maybe, depends on what purpose that ppa has, if it is a videodriver, container is of no use then, even vm is no use