[02:01] <lfaraone> The "foo has been converted to an upstart job" symlink is automatically created whenever you install an upstart job on a package that supports upstart, right?
[02:01] <lfaraone> *install a package that supports upstart on a system that uses upstart
[02:05] <xnox> lfaraone: no, not any more.
[02:05] <lfaraone> xnox: oh, what happens these days?
[02:06] <xnox> lfaraone: init.d script & upstart jobs can co-exist. and $ service command knows which one to pick
[02:06] <xnox> lfaraone: use $ service, for both init.d and upstart job control.
[02:06] <lfaraone> xnox: okay. What if somebody calls the init job directly?
[02:06] <xnox> lfaraone: how?
[02:07] <lfaraone> xnox: I don't know, somebody has muscle memory for `/etc/init.d/foobar start`
[02:07] <xnox> exit 1
[02:07] <lfaraone> xnox: so, we should have the script test if upstart is installed and if so exit?
[02:07] <xnox> at the moment. which imho is regression from previous ways, where the real thing was still called & warning messages printed.
[02:08] <xnox> lfaraone: yes, there is a guide about it. One sec.
[02:08] <xnox> lfaraone: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpstartCompatibleInitScripts
[02:09] <xnox> lfaraone: there is a helper function "init_is_upstart" and one does: if init_is_upstart; then case $1 in stop) exit 0 ;; case start|restart|force-restart) exit 1;; esac
[02:09] <xnox> fi
[05:40] <pitti> Good morning
[05:43] <pitti> rsalveti: Ah sorry, forgot to drop Md's custom rules; will upload a fix now
[09:12] <ogra_> pitti, your last systemd upload broke touch completely ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/6389687/
[09:13] <ogra_> pitti, i guess you forgot to rebuild the initrd when testing it ?
[09:13] <pitti> ogra_: fix uploaded this morning, sorry
[09:13] <pitti> I rebuilt it on my desktop, but Debian's rules work there
[09:13] <pitti> so I didn't notice at first
[09:14] <ogra_> ah, k
[09:23] <pitti> ogra_: the fix is in trusty, but I suppose we might not have a daily build after that yet
[09:23] <ogra_> we do all builds manually, since we have a no regression policy and test the images first
[09:23] <ogra_> (imagine each image is a milestone)
[09:24] <ogra_> s/is/as/
[09:25] <ogra_> pitti, did you test this on touch ? (we have a bunch of people out there with bricked phones from the weekend due to the issue, i would like to be 100% sure that we dont do that again)
[09:26] <pitti> ogra_: no, I didn't; can do it now
[09:26] <ogra_> great, thanks :)
[09:27] <ogra_> if it still boots we're fine
[09:29] <pitti> ogra_: dist-upgrade running (but ports.u.c. is slooow)
[09:35] <ogra_> pitti, oh, i would only have installed udev
[09:36] <ogra_> pitti, the rw space is very limited, dist-upgrade might make you run out of sapce
[09:36] <ogra_> *space too
[09:37] <pitti> that went well, but hicolor-icon-theme trigger failed because it can't write /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
[09:37] <ogra_> yes, rw has various issues (hardlinks dont work across the loop dev mounts)
[09:39] <pitti> ogra_: update-initramfs has a few complaints: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6398748/
[09:40] <pitti> and lxc-android-config doens't upgrade because of the hardlink issue you mentioned
[09:40] <ogra_> pitti, yeah, thats fine
[09:40] <ogra_> (sounds more fatal than it is :) )
[09:41] <pitti> ogra_: but with udev 204-5ubuntu5 it boots fine
[09:41] <ogra_> pitti, awesome, thanks !
[09:41] <pitti> (i. e. complete dist-upgrade except lxc-android-config)
[09:41]  * ogra_ will start an image build
[09:41] <pitti> ogra_: sorry for ruining the weekend :(
[09:43] <jamespage> apw, I discussed dropping the openvswitch dkms package with the dev's upstream; there are still some experimental features still not in the kernel tree (specifically LISP overlay networking)
[09:43] <ogra_> pitti, all fine ... no worries
[09:44] <jamespage> so I'll fixup for the time being - the recommendation for openstack will be to use the GRE/VXLAN support in tree though - which makes deployment might faster \o/
[09:56] <Laney> doko__: seen http://paste.ubuntu.com/6398826/ ?
[10:06] <zyga> good morning
[10:06] <zyga> pitti, ogra_: interesting thoughts guys, thanks for sharing them
[10:07] <apw> jamespage, ack, and if they are 'experimental' we can care less about temporary breakage in that package too
[10:07] <jamespage> apw, ack
[11:28] <arrun> Hello and greetings to all the sir/maam here , I  wanted to ask a question for language stuffs , please help me fix those
[11:36] <knocte> arrun: don't ask to ask, simply ask your question and wait
[11:37] <arrun> I wanted to add a new language having code ISO 639-3: the in the Language support , how can I do that ??
[11:44] <xnox> arrun: what language is it? to add translations to launchpad, a new language may need to be added there. For installer it should be enabled in Debian. Once there are some translations language packs can be generated for it.
[11:47] <arrun> xnox: the Language is ISO 639-3: the Chitwania Tharu , I have created the po and mo files by translating the pot in the Launchpad ...
[11:48] <arrun> xnox: I have the both po and mo files downloaded from the launchpad for the "the" Chitwania Tharu, but how can I have it installed and named it in the Language support
[11:50] <xnox> arrun: i see "the" is in launchpad already.
[11:50] <xnox> arrun: at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+lang/the there are no translations available.
[11:51] <xnox> arrun: i guess we could generate an "empty" translation pack with no translations.
[11:51] <arrun> xnox: yup I had requested "the" to be added in Launchpad
[11:52] <arrun> xnox: I had translated the pot files, to po and mo in another sections and has already downloaded, how can I add the language packs in the Language Support ??
[11:53] <xnox> arrun: you should setup "Ubuntu Translation group" on launchpad for the Ubuntu/the, then upload translations to translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ and then we can generate a language pack for hte language support.
[11:54] <xnox> pitti: do you know how to enable a previously non-existant in ubuntu language for language packs et. al.? ^
[11:54] <arrun> xnox: oh, so won't I be able to create it in it  ??
[11:54] <pitti> xnox: does it have a locale already?
[11:55] <xnox> pitti: looks like it's called "the" in ISO standard, locale defined where?
[11:55] <pitti> arrun, xnox: in /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED
[11:55] <pitti> there's no existing locale for that ATM
[11:56] <xnox> =(
[11:56] <rsalveti> ogra_: will revert the initrd revert, as that broke the emulator
[11:57] <pitti> xnox, arrun: langpack-o-matic already knows about it, so as soon as we'll have a locale, it'll start building langpacks
[11:58] <rsalveti> pitti: and thanks for the fix :-)
[11:58] <pitti> rsalveti: no worries, sorry for breaking it; I didn't notice the regression on the desktop
[12:00] <rsalveti> pitti: yeah, I wonder why debian is shipping it's own custom rules files for storage
[12:00] <arrun> pitti: can I be able to produce the langpacks myself ??
[12:01] <pitti> rsalveti: hysterical raisins mostly, I hope Md will eventually switch to the upstream rules too
[12:01] <rsalveti> got it, cool
[12:13] <ogra_> rsalveti, ah, i was planning to do that after we could test #19
[12:14] <rsalveti> ogra_: I'm building the emulator from scratch to test it first
[12:14] <ogra_> ok
[12:14] <ogra_> i'm waiting for stgraber to enable system-image imports again
[12:20] <pitti> arrun: in principle yes, but they aren't useful without a locale
[12:37] <fabcal> Hi all
[12:38] <fabcal> please could any of you tell me by when is the next "ClamAV" ver. 0.98 supposed to be released as an UBUNTU package?
[12:42] <xnox> fabcal: it needs to be in debian first.
[12:42] <xnox> fabcal: then it needs to be merged, since ubuntu has modifications on top of debian.
[12:43] <ogra_> iirc in the past ScottK maintained it in both distros
[12:43] <xnox> fabcal: see http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/clamav.html
[12:43] <ogra_> (not sure thats still the case)
[12:43] <xnox> fabcal: and the ubuntu box on the right on that page.
[12:44] <fabcal> xnox, thanks alot
[12:59] <diwic> pitti, hi, is /run/* not emptied on bootup?
[12:59] <pitti> diwic: it's a tmpfs, so it starts as empty on boot
[12:59] <diwic> pitti, if you have time, there is bug 1197395
[13:00] <diwic> pitti, people are claiming it happens after a forced shutdown
[13:01] <pitti> diwic: I also have a root:root /tmp/pulse-PKdhtXMmr18n/ directory
[13:02] <pitti> diwic: I have a suspicion that lightdm starts that somehow, but we never tracked it down
[13:03] <diwic> pitti, ok...
[13:03] <pitti> or perhaps something using pulse that you start with sudo?
[13:03] <diwic> pitti, yeah, could be
[13:04] <pitti> diwic: as you said, pulse itself doesn't even have that permission, so it's certainly related to logging int
[13:04] <pitti> in
[13:04] <pitti> or running something sudo
[13:05] <diwic> pitti, could it be apport related ...I'm thinking that if the system hard shuts down, maybe apport/whoopsie/etc will come up and try to analyze the error
[13:05] <diwic> pitti, and trying to take debug logs from PulseAudio or something
[13:08] <pitti> diwic: on crash time apport doesn't run hooks, but certainly when you click on "report"
[13:08] <diwic> pitti, also could you read https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1197395/comments/26 and see if the comment there makes sense to you or not?
[13:09] <diwic> pitti, right, but are those hooks run as root or as the logged in user, or as some kind of hybrid that could cause this error perhaps?
[13:12] <pitti> diwic: as the user of the process that crashed, so usually not root for pulse
[13:42] <ScottK> fabcal: I've almost got the package done, just a few issues to sort.
[13:48] <fabcal> ScottK, this is great, thanks alot for your information
[16:02] <stgraber> ogra_: sorry, didn't see the hilight up until now... enabling auto-import now
[16:02] <ogra_> stgraber, i already did :)
[16:03] <ogra_> stgraber, i only copied orig over config
[16:03] <ogra_> so remove it to your liking
[16:04] <stgraber> ogra_: ok
[16:23] <jamespage> barry, whats the conventions for managing file path conflicts between python2/python3?
[16:24] <jamespage> i.e. /usr/bin/jsonpatch is causing be problems right now :-)
[16:24] <jamespage> bug 1250088 for reference
[16:24] <barry> jamespage: looking
[16:24] <jamespage> I was thinking /usr/bin/jsonpatch3 ?
[16:26] <barry> jamespage: debian doesn't have strong concensus on this (we hit similar issues with things like nose and other cli-providing packages), but generally we try to use X.Y versions with symlinks for X versions.  e.g. /usr/bin/jsonpatch3.3 and symlinked from /usr/bin/jsonpatch3
[16:26] <jamespage> barry, OK _ I'll hack something out and try it
[16:26] <jamespage> thanks for the help
[16:26] <barry> jamespage: +1.  np.  i'll follow up on the bug for posterity
[16:30] <barry> jamespage: my recommendation above is a little off, but watch the bug
[16:31] <jamespage> ok
[16:45] <lfaraone> Ugh. Are the PPA builders in a different environment from the archive builders? I built a package for trusty locally, it FTBFS, so I tried to build it in a PPA, and it succeeded at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/156299609/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.ogre-1.8_1.8.1%2Bdfsg-0ubuntu3_UPLOADING.txt.gz , so I assumed I just had a broken local environment.
[16:45] <lfaraone> then I upload it and am greeted with https://launchpadlibrarian.net/156332270/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-arm64.ogre-1.8_1.8.1%2Bdfsg-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ;(
[16:49] <xnox> lfaraone: yes, all three are different (local, ppa, distro builders)
[16:50]  * lfaraone sobs softly.
[16:50] <xnox> lfaraone: your first one (PPA) doesn't have trusty-proposed enabled.
[16:50] <xnox> (which is actually where all packages are built)
[16:50] <lfaraone> Right.
[16:51] <lfaraone> oh, it BFS on i386 and amd64, its just sad on arm.
[16:51] <xnox> but from proposed only python is fethed so it can't be just that.
[16:51] <lfaraone> the current version in saucy is also FTBFS on arm64
[16:52] <lfaraone> so, not my fault at least :)
[16:54] <xnox> lfaraone: anyway why do you care about ogre-1.8 in the first place? things should be rebuild against 1.9, and 1.8 removed from the archive.
[16:54] <xnox> =)
[16:54] <lfaraone> xnox: idk, just going through the sponsor queue
[16:54] <xnox> lfaraone: ah, ok.
[16:54] <lfaraone> xnox: Laney motivated me to actually make some uploads :P
[16:55] <Laney> \o/
[16:55] <mlankhorst> lucky, I'm stuck on red tape
[16:56] <lfaraone> the queue is now at 64!
[16:56]  * lfaraone admittedly has been sort of out of it on Ubuntu development; the last time I was seriously involved was late 2011
[18:34] <zyga> mhall119: ping
[18:34] <zyga> mhall119: who is handling ubuntu community translations?
[18:50] <clefebvre> hi pitti, sorry for the highlight. There's a critical bug in Saucy (and most distros right now) in PAM/Systemd, I'd love to chat with you about.
[18:51] <clefebvre> I left a comment at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1197395 to explain a little (it's not related to pulseaudio in particular)
[18:54] <mhall119> zyga: pong
[18:55] <mhall119> zyga: dpm-afk is our goto guy for community translations
[18:55] <dpm-afk> hi zyga, what's up?
[18:55] <zyga> dpm-afk: hey, a community member asked me about how the translation stuff works
[18:56] <zyga> frecel: ^^
[18:56] <zyga> dpm-afk: apparently there are 5000 translations that need to be reviewed on launchpad for the polish language
[18:56] <frecel> here!
[18:56] <zyga> dpm-afk: and frecel was worried that his work is not getting used because of that
[18:57] <frecel> Well I'm just thinking that it kinda looks abandoned so I figured I could help
[18:58] <frecel> I couldn't get in touch with the administrators of Polish Translation Team btw
[18:58] <dpm-afk> zyga, I've not been in touch with the Polish translations team coordinator for a while, but I get the impression he's not very active and thus there's not much of a team atm
[18:59] <zyga> dpm-afk: is there a process where a new team can be formed if the old team is (theoretically) unreachable?
[19:03] <xnox> dpm-afk: have translations been moved to trusty series yet? from https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu all language links point to saucy.
[19:04] <frecel> Is there any way to check when the last suggestion was reviewed on launchpad?
[19:28] <frecel> and it got quiet...
[19:28] <dpm-afk> zyga, yes, there is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/RoleReassignmentPolicy
[19:29] <dpm-afk> xnox, they've not been opened yet, no
[19:51] <hallyn_> ok, i installed a precise desktop from the desktop image.  installed qemu-kvm.  proposed is not in sources.list.  but the version of libvirt-bin is the one in -proposed (.15), not in -updates (.13).
[19:51] <hallyn_> haven't yet figurd out why
[20:06] <TJ-> hallyn_: "security" ?
[20:09] <TJ-> hallyn_: ahh, no... but what does "apt-cache policy  libvirt-bin" show?
[20:14] <hallyn_> TJ-: WTF.  there's a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/proposed.list
[20:14] <Frodo> Hello all,
[20:14] <Frodo> I am truly intrested to join the Ubuntu community. I am a software developer and I am looking to participate in Ubuntu development. As far as i read, I should start doing junior jobs first as i am new to Linux development.
[20:14] <Frodo> I am looking for somebody to guide me what i should do to get started. And what technologies i should learn. If somebody can adobt me as a student and start assignining me homeworks until i become ready for junior jobs, i would truly appreciate it.
[20:14] <Frodo> If you do not have time to help me, at least let me know what technologies i should learn and then whom to ask about jounior task.
[20:14] <Frodo> Thanks for you help and kindness...
[20:22] <blueyed> Frodo: you might want to start here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment
[20:22] <blueyed> Also, come over into #ubuntu-motu, and ask there.
[20:23] <ersi> (motu stands for "Masters of the Universe" and universe is the packaging universe ;)
[20:23] <Frodo> thnaks alot friends
[20:24] <Frodo> :)
[20:36] <melodie> hello
[20:36] <melodie> does someone know if the kernel series 3.2.0-x for Precise always be PAE free until 2017 when the support for 12.04 will be ended?
[20:45] <mdeslaur> melodie: that is the plan, yes
[20:46] <melodie> mdeslaur thanks you! If I may, could I ask when the commit for the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1246664 will be integrated? You could have a look at my last comment
[20:46] <melodie> if you have any idea of course... :)
[20:47] <mdeslaur> melodie: perhaps ask in #ubuntu-kernel, I don't really know and it's off-topic for this channel
[20:47] <melodie> mdeslaur ok, I will, thank you very much!
[20:47] <mdeslaur> yw
[20:57] <dupondje> jamespage: I saw you worked on Bacula. Are there eventually plans to include Bareos as Bacula replacement?
[21:41] <tjaalton> hrm, is the PPA build environment somehow different from a typical sbuild one? Trying to update xmlrpc-c but it fails to run the tests on LP
[21:48] <tjaalton> hmm it probably was something transient after all
[22:01] <saiarcot895> If a package uses a slightly-modified version of a third-party library, should it still have the option to use the system version of the library?
[22:05] <infinity> saiarcot895: Ideally, it really shouldn't use a modified library at all, and if they have fixed, we should get those into the shared system library.
[22:06] <infinity> saiarcot895: But if a package absolutely MUST bundle a broken fork of a library, then that seems at odds with also being able to use the system version.  You can't really have both situations.
[22:06] <saiarcot895> infinity: ok, just making sure of policy. It will be going into a PPA soon, so it's not critical at the moment, but regardless, I like to follow policy
[22:07] <saiarcot895> infinity: From what I can tell, it's just additional header files and a few defines (it's C code)
[22:08] <infinity> saiarcot895: Well, you could move the new bits into static definition in the application proper or, if they're generically good fixes/changes that all consumers of the library should want, get that into the upstream version of said library and into its packaging.
[22:09] <infinity> saiarcot895: But yeah, both policy and common sense dictates that shipping forked libraries sort of defeats the purpose of shared libraries, so do try to avoid it unless you really can't.
[22:09] <infinity> (There are many packages in the archive that ship private copies of libraries, you wouldn't be the first, it's not *forbidden*, but it's highly discouraged)
[22:10] <infinity> And the security team and others will frown heavily on such things for inclusion in main, since keeping track of embedded libraries in various packages is very painful.
[22:10] <saiarcot895> I believe chromium-browser is an exception, the reason being they keep their libraries up-to-date generally
[22:11] <infinity> They're not an exception because we think they're a good upstream, they're an exception because maintaining their massive maze of twisty awful is painful. :P
[22:12] <infinity> (Also, it's in universe)
[22:12] <saiarcot895> true
[23:32] <orbisvicis> I am running into an error with dh I don't understand: "dh: Unknown sequence list-missing" with the rule "%: dh: Unknown sequence list-missing"
[23:33] <jtaylor> orbisvicis: how does the rules look like?
[23:34] <orbisvicis> oh, "%: dh --with-quilt $@"
[23:34] <jtaylor> exactly like that?
[23:34] <jtaylor> its --with quilt
[23:34] <jtaylor> without the -
[23:36] <orbisvicis> exactly like: "%:\n\tdh --with quilt $@"
[23:36] <orbisvicis> sorry about that, can't copy to the clipboard over ssh for some reason
[23:38] <jtaylor> do you have dh_install call somewhere?
[23:39] <jtaylor> because that takes the --list-missing argument
[23:39] <jtaylor> maybe its in DH_OPTIONS?
[23:44] <orbisvicis> no. it tries to run "dh --with quilt list-missing", not an "--list-missing" argument
[23:45] <jtaylor> how are you calling the rules file?
[23:46] <orbisvicis> pdebuild -> dpkg-buildpackage -> (trying to read the output)
[23:47] <jtaylor> I don't know why it would call the rules with that argument
[23:48] <jtaylor> maybe clean your environment and grep for list-missing
[23:48] <orbisvicis> jtaylor: yes already grep'ed and not an env. variable
[23:48] <orbisvicis> ok I see: fakeroot debian/rules clean -> debian/rules build -> fakeroot debian/rules binary
[23:49] <orbisvicis> then "   dh_builddeb" as the last binary target, followed by lots of builddeb output, then "I: checking for missing files." \n "dh --with quilt list-missing" \n "dh: Unknown sequence list-missing (choose from: binary binary-arch binary-indep build clean install patch)"
[23:50] <jtaylor> maybe a broken pbuilder hook
[23:50] <orbisvicis> so I'm not sure if its part of the binary sequence, or a new target
[23:50] <orbisvicis> jtaylor: hmm good idea, let me check
[23:50] <orbisvicis> 1st time having this problem, first time using hooks....
[23:50] <jtaylor> why are you even using --with quilt and not format 3.0 (quilt)
[23:51] <jtaylor> list-missing is a cdbs rule
[23:51] <jtaylor> possibly something tries to use cdbs with a dh-7 package
[23:56] <orbisvicis> jtaylor: modification of an old package
[23:56] <orbisvicis> what do you mean, dh-7 package? such as? and how could they get mixed with cdbs
[23:57] <orbisvicis> anyway, it was one of the hooks. builds fine now


[00:09] <fuze> I installed windows 10 over kubuntu 19.10 and i am trying to reinstall grub on my efi partition. when i try to mount it i get mount: /mnt/boot/efi: /dev/nvme0n1 already mounted or mount point busy.
[00:09] <fuze> boot-repair says "Please use this software in a live-session (live-CD or live-USB). This will enable this feature." https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kRX3H75JJV/
 Fuse: hey can you help me to get boot-repair?
 I am trying to install it over my live boot usb but it said I have held broken packages
[00:13] <fuze> IrcsomeBot: I have the same issue on my ubuntu 19.10 usb, it was installable on kubuntu 19.10 usb
 I understand.. I am trying to fix broken packages via recovery mode and try to install boot-repair
 I really don't know what to do.. Trying to fix it via terminal is jist too complicated for me
[00:25] <magic_ninja> IrcsomeBot, typically, in the windows or macOS world, a reinstall is performed in this sort situation. In linux, we have an interface to do it. Don't worry, over time you will learn more about it.
[00:27] <magic_ninja> IrcsomeBot, use lsblk to list your drives. You will want to look at the size of the drives to get an idea of which is which.
[00:28] <magic_ninja> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[00:35] <valorie> IrcsomeBot is a bot from Telegram to IRC - the nick following that is the person on T
[00:35] <magic_ninja> what is telegram?
[00:35] <valorie> using @ gets their attention on Tg
[00:35] <valorie> @Franzpow ^^^
 Yep
[00:37] <valorie> magic_ninja: a chat service that works on people's phones
 Magic_ninja: I tried different options...
[00:38] <valorie> I use it when I'm traveling for my IRC-linked channels
[00:38] <valorie> v. useful
 Sda1/2/5 etc.. It said that It could not acces /cow or something like that
 That's funny
 But this is what the terminal said
[00:39] <valorie> sudo will be necessary
 I tried this terminal way …  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#The_graphical_way
[00:39] <magic_ninja> @Franzpow you need to unplug the usb drive you booted from prior to running grub-update
 Valorie: I surely did that
[00:40] <valorie> ah
 Magic_ninja: I can unplug it even while running live-usb?
 Should it result in a mess?
[00:41] <magic_ninja> @Franzpow as long as nothing is being read or written. It loads into memory. Don't do it except for that specific circumstance. It is trying to set up your USB in grub but is unable to.
[00:42] <magic_ninja> @Franzpow basically do everything you gotta do. Get ready to run that command. Unplug it. Give it a second. Run that command. Plug it back in, and reboot.
[00:43] <magic_ninja> Just to be fair though, that is from my experience reinstalling grub from a command line in debian, where I ran into the issue that it was trying to install on my flash drive. I don't promise it will work, but it sounds like the same issue I had.
 I want to trust you.. i am actually rebooting after tried to fix packages with recovery mode
[00:45] <fuze> IrcsomeBot: what version is your ubuntu usb
 19.10
[00:45] <fuze> IrcsomeBot: use latest lts version, boot-repair works
[00:46] <fuze> must be a bug in the new one
 Eeew I should install a live usb of ubuntu 18.04 on my usb drive  and try it?
[00:47] <fuze> yes
 It's night here.. I must sleep. I am trying the method that Magic_ninja suggested me
 Or.. i will try tomorrow as you said
[00:49] <fuze> i literally had the same problem and just fixed it...
[00:50] <fuze> 19.10 has a bug that causes boot-repair to not install
[00:50] <valorie> that is an awful bug! has it been reported?
[00:51] <valorie> I mean, it's a bit late to fix it in the 19.10 installer
[00:51] <valorie> but it should be checked out for the upcoming LTS
[00:51] <fuze> its actually only a bug in vanilla ubuntu not kubuntu
[00:51] <valorie> aha
[00:51] <fuze> kubuntu boot repair has a different bug
[00:51] <valorie> lol super
[00:51] <fuze> says you need to boot from a live usb
[00:51] <valorie> again, reported?
[00:52] <fuze> im not sure
[00:56] <valorie> probably will not be fixed with no BR
 Magic_ninja: same issue … Grub-install:error: failed to get canonical path of '/cow'
 Can I install more ubuntu live usb versions on one usb drive?
[01:01] <fuze> yes but its very complicated, just overwrite it
 Ok I will do it now
 After creating the live usb did you just ruan boot-repair by terminal?
 Run*
[04:19] <onworks> ..
 Yesterday my other machine with kubuntu suddenly freezed and plasma crashed several times..
 After that I rebooted and used the pc with no issues
 Now it won't even display the bios.. I can't get even into the bios
 Now I Have two pc to fix.. Is it possible that kubuntu did something to the hardware? Or it was a complete mess already before?
[09:48] <lordievader> Very unlikely
 So the pc was a traitor from the beginning.. I lost important data
 Worked fine until the day before
 With no warnings
 @RikMills
[09:53] <YuraVakulenko> Hi! Can anybody help update my Kubuntu 18.04 to Kubuntu 19.10 or 19.04
[09:54] <YuraVakulenko> Hi! Can anybody help update my Kubuntu 18.04 to Kubuntu 19.10 or 19.04?
 Hey.. I tried with boot-repair and after I used the tool nothing has changed. Could it be worse?
 I can give you the pastebin if you could help me
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
 If someone lost all the conversation yesterday I am writing down what happened:  … I tried to change de from xfce. I had Gnome installed but I was using xfce. I used the guide on "itsfoss" and uninstalled xfce. Rebooted and it won't boot in Ubuntu. I tried to fix the grub as someone said but I did not succeed via terminal. Today I tried boot-repair with no luck. What to do now?
 Hi BluesKaj
[11:26] <BluesKaj> hi Franzpow, install kubuntu-desktop in the terminal
[11:27] <BluesKaj> then reboot
 Sorry, how to install kubuntu with Ubuntu not booting up?
[11:29] <BluesKaj> you're able to get to VT/TTY terminal, correct?
 Ehmm maybe? Via Ubuntu recovery mode?
[11:29] <BluesKaj> yes, you could try that
 Meanwhile I am giving you the pastebin of boot-repair … Http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/V9v5qJgGpN
 I am rebooting and trying what you suggested me. Just a question: will it do a mess with my other windows partition? Am I going to lose data?
[11:31] <BluesKaj> ctl+alt+F2-F6 for the terminal
[11:32] <BluesKaj> not if you can boot into the terminal you'll be in ubuntu, just won't have a desktop environment
 Ok so I am starting ubuntu not in recovery mode
 And trying to boot terminal
[11:33] <BluesKaj> try recovery mode
 Ok
[11:34] <BluesKaj> maybe it will boot to a login where you can chose your desktop
[11:34] <BluesKaj> choose rather
 I was able to boot the terminal (not recovery) can I run the command from here?
[11:34] <BluesKaj> yes
 It says login incorrect
[11:35] <BluesKaj> login then, sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop
 But the password is correct
 Damn
 Sorry for my extreme inexperience
[11:36] <BluesKaj> login with your normal username and password
 I do.. But keep saying me login incorrect
[11:36] <BluesKaj> yje one's you chose during installation
[11:37] <BluesKaj> the
[11:38] <BluesKaj> username first, hit enter , then your password and enter
 Strange enough.. My user name is Franzo and only when I wrote it without the F maiusc it booted..
 Ok now I am gonna install the kubuntu system
[11:39] <BluesKaj> sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop
 Working..
 But it's so slow at downloading don't know why
[11:41] <BluesKaj> there will be many packages installing, once it finishes then run, sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade.
 I will try but I am forced to wait a lot
 My usual speed is 1.4mB/s now it dropped to 100kB/s
[11:44] <BluesKaj> that's a function of your package  server and your internet connection
[11:44] <BluesKaj> it may be very busy
[11:46] <BluesKaj> Franzpow, where are you located?
 I am in Italy but I have a connection that reach up to 200mbit/s
 Now we are experiencing a lot of slowdown even on other pcs.. From 200 mbit to 35
 Maybe due to the heavy raining occuring now..
[11:50] <BluesKaj> that doesn't matter, if your package source server is busy then the download speed is determined by that
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Franzpow, perhaps we should reboot before doing the update and upgrade, that can be done once we know you have a working desktop
 Mmm okay. So when I finished installing it I reboot and I should have  a working desktop?
 After that I do update and upgrade, right?
[11:56] <BluesKaj> yes
 Fun fact: I wanted to install Kde on this machine.. So I thought about uninstalling xfce and installing kde. Now I am getting installed it anyway :')
[11:58] <BluesKaj> I've tried xfce, it's ok, but awfully boring :-)
[11:58] <BluesKaj> but that was on a RPI
 I agree.. That's also slower than kde that's actually my favourite one
[12:00] <BluesKaj> kde/plasma has so many more options etc
 I love it.. I am just so sad that also my laptop died with plasma
 With plasma installed*
 Never trust used laptops
 2 pcs dead in one day :/
[12:01] <BluesKaj> laptops, expecially the cheaper models are throwaways after 4-5 yrs
[12:02] <BluesKaj> espcially
[12:02] <MrTux889_> especially :-)
 This is an used model from 2017 bought on warehouse amazon.. :'(
[12:03] <BluesKaj> MrTux889_, yes, especially :-)
 Acer it's just rubbish as always
[12:03] <BluesKaj> acer are the elcheapos of all laptops
 Ah yes :') Meanwhile my desktop core2duo 10 yrs old, (the one we are installing kubuntu on) is still kicking ass
[12:05] <BluesKaj> heh, how much RAM in your 10yr old?
[12:07] <BluesKaj> hope it's more than 4GB
[12:08] <BluesKaj> 4GB is adequate, but even 2GB more will make a big difference in performance
 It's 4gb
 But that's ok for most of things.. Watching videos.. Playing redeclipse
 That is my home pc.. But the laptop I used to work on.. That's the big loss.
 I had all presets of my VST on
 VSTs
 Yesterday it booted.. Today.. Ops..your pc does not work anymore
[12:14] <BluesKaj> an audio workstation?
[12:15] <BluesKaj> are you sure it's dead?
 Yep.. Sort of.  I will first repair my desktop and after that I'll try something on that
 But without anything booting up it's difficult
[12:17] <BluesKaj> what do you "play live"?
 Keyboard
 I use two midi keyboards and connect them to bitwig
 I use another machine to produce music.. A pc with win 10 on it.. Sigh
[12:20] <BluesKaj> interesting
[12:20] <BluesKaj> we use reaper on W10 for recording our band
 Oh cool.. I am still stuck on cubase but I was planning to use bitwig in the future with linux on that production machine
[12:22] <BluesKaj> cubase is beyond our scope, it's much too complex for our needs anyway
 Oh I understand
 That's my first love anyway :)
[12:24] <BluesKaj> how's the install going ?
 It's around 50%.. i am still waiting
[12:25] <BluesKaj> ok, kde/kubuntu-desktop is a large series of packages
 The issue this time is the slow downloading speed
[12:26] <BluesKaj> I recall waaay back it took 90 mins to install
 Btw Could it be that when I uninstalled xfce it tried to set lightdm and I uninstalled it?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> like around 2005-6
 Maybe it did not set automatically gdm3
[12:28] <BluesKaj> kubuntu default is sddm, altho ligtdm should work ok
[12:28] <BluesKaj> lightdm
 I mean, when I installed xfce I choose lightdm
[12:30] <BluesKaj> if you have no login screen then install sddm
 Maybe uninstalling xfce uninstalled also lightdm and Ubuntu still tried to boot  with lightdm.. I am just thinking what could have been wrog
 Wrong*
 I will try that when I finish the kubuntu installation
[12:32] <BluesKaj> let's wait to see how far your boot goes after the kubuntu install finishes
[12:33] <BluesKaj> to keep the installation as simple as possible at this point
 Yeah.. Thanks a lot for the help
[12:38] <BluesKaj> you're welcome, i'm happy to help on a boring Saturday morning
 Cool :) where are you located?
[12:40] <BluesKaj> I'm in Canada and winter has set in here 400KM North of Toronto
[12:40] <zxq9> What's the temperature like this time of year up there?
 Wow! Beautiful
 You are in the north
[12:41] <BluesKaj> zxq9, it's -7C @ 7:40 AM
 The real north :) we act as victims of the winter here in Italy but we barely see any snow at all during the year
[12:42] <BluesKaj> not the real north at 46 degrees , we're the same latitude as Paris France
 I live in the south of Italy
[12:42] <zxq9> Nice. I live on a Pacific island, so it never gets very cold here, but I came from a place with much colder winters. My wife thinks 12℃ is cold.
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Franzpow well, that's in the middle of the Mediterranean
 :') here the same. I like cold temperatures but now he have around 15-16 °C
 That's not cold
[12:44] <BluesKaj> zxq9, it's what we acclimatize ourselves to
 BluesKaj: Yeah, I live in the middle of mediterranean
[12:45] <BluesKaj> it was -20C here 2 days ago
[12:45] <BluesKaj> we get the Siberian cold coming down from Russia here
 I understand
[12:46] <zxq9> Indeed. I'm at 26N latitude and live in the middle of the very warm kurishio current. Doubly warm. Unless one of those sudden ice-age drops happens, I think we'll continue to be covered in coffee and pineapples rather than snow.
[12:46] <BluesKaj> hehe
 That hard to live at those temperatures for us
 zxq9: that's almost Italian :P
[12:47] <zxq9> Haha :-)
 We also are covered with coffee :")
[12:47] <zxq9> :-D
[12:47] <zxq9> There is a coffee farm on the north part of my island, actually. It gets juuuust cold enough here on the worst winters that they have to wrap the trees. Maybe once every 5 or 10 years.
[12:47] <BluesKaj> I grew up here, we did sports year round as kids, but I think we loved winter more due to the fsct we could ski all over the countryside
[12:48] <zxq9> I used ski with my brother every year in winter. Now it is just strange to me that it never snows!
[12:48] <BluesKaj> fsct=fact
[12:48] <zxq9> The disk utility version of a fact.
 Strangely enough, we had snow last year
[12:49] <zxq9> Franzpow: Which part of Italy are you in?
 It's very rare at this latitude
[12:49] <zxq9> Isn't the north part of Italy mountainous and snowy?
 I live near Naples
 Yes but I live in the South :)
[12:50] <zxq9> Ah.
[12:50] <BluesKaj> nice
[12:50] <zxq9> Probably not regular snow there since maybe Roman times?
 Maybe in those times there was snow
 Even here
 Last year we had -5 °C here in the morning
 This year just heavy heavy rain
[12:51] <BluesKaj> I'll take the -5C
[12:51] <zxq9> I took my family north to a place called Aomori -- it is super cold there, frozen rivers, etc. My kids were mesmerized by all the ice. It was really fun to watch the littlest ones sort of discover all the things you can do in the snow. hehe
[12:51] <zxq9> I prefer -5 + snow to 5 + rain.
 Snow is beautiful
[12:52] <zxq9> It really is.
[12:52] <BluesKaj> yup, we used to play hockey on the some of the frozen lakes in our area
[12:52] <zxq9> Some of the ugliest places on the planet look suddenly beautiful when all the junk is covered up by the snow.
[12:53] <zxq9> Like Vladivostok.
[12:53] <zxq9> (Not dinging Russia in general, but some Russian cities have a certain punched-in-the-face aesthetic left over from the Soviets)
[12:54] <zxq9> But snow is positively transformative!
[12:54] <BluesKaj> no kidding, Russian cities still look like ghettos
[12:55] <zxq9> Many do.
[12:55] <zxq9> There are a few breathtakingly beautiful parts of Russia, too, though.
[12:55] <zxq9> Just some of the, er, "planning" didn't seem to go very well to plan, that's all.
[12:56] <zxq9> St. Petersburg is something to see. Very different history than the places east of the Urals, of course, but anyway, quite a place.
 I think that you are right
 And the same thing applies to Bucarest in Romania for me
 The old part.. It's really ugly
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Peter the Great tried to make it the Paris of the North
 Yeah.. They have an enormous parliement
 But they destroyed many historical buildings to build that monster
 I visited it..so sad
[12:58] <BluesKaj> that was the Bolsheviks tho
 Yep
[12:59] <zxq9> Haha
[12:59] <zxq9> History is a remarkable thing.
[12:59] <zxq9> "goddam hoomans!" mixed with "WOW! ZOMG! HUMANS ARE AMAZING!"
[13:00] <zxq9> Still apes on a rock doing ape things to each other, but anyway, fascinating all the same.
 You are right :-')
 BluesKaj: I am around 90%
[13:03] <BluesKaj> ok good, Franzpow
 Ok..finished installation
[13:13] <BluesKaj> rebooting?
 I have to choose the display manager. Should I choose gdm3 or sddm?
[13:14] <BluesKaj> sddm
[13:14] <BluesKaj> it's the kde default
 I trust you
 What are the differences between them?
[13:17] <BluesKaj> sddm is a systemd design login screen I think
[13:17] <BluesKaj> not really sure
 Blues Kaj: I finished
 Now I just reboot?
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Vamsi Krishna Reddy Mudamala, use system settings>harware>driver manager for your drivers
[13:29] <BluesKaj> harware=hardware
[13:30] <BluesKaj> do you still have a terminal prompt, Franzpow?
[13:32] <BluesKaj> Vamsi Krishna Reddy Mudamala, then it's using the default open source drivers
 BluesKaj: Yes! All worked fine.
[13:34] <BluesKaj> Franzpow run this before you reboot, sudo update-grub
 Do I just do upgrade?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> then reboot
[13:36] <BluesKaj> Vamsi Krishna Reddy Mudamala, what gpu do you have ?
[13:39] <BluesKaj> ok Vamsi Krishna Reddy Mudamala, which Kubuntu OS?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Vamsi Krishna Reddy Mudamala, do you have the Radeon gpu set as default in the EFI/BIOS ?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> most Dell laptops use F12 to access the bios during the postpage with dell logo
[13:45] <BluesKaj> Franzpow, how's it going?
 I am trying to remove a widget from the desktop bar
 :/
 I made 5 copy of the same widget unintentionally.. How to fix that?
 Wait I solved that. I am doing upgrade
[13:48] <BluesKaj> click on the far right icon probly 3 dashes like hamburger to open the widgets then you pass over the icons to remove them
 yeah. I fixed that. Trying to upgrade now
 BluesKaj: terminal said there is nothing to upgrade
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Franzpow, did you run sudo apt update, first ?
 Yep
[13:53] <BluesKaj> Vamsi Krishna Reddy Mudamala, what about additional devices, click there to see
 Maybe  that'all up to date.. i don't  know
 Yesterday I tried to update packages from the ubuntu recovery
[13:54] <BluesKaj> Franzpow, then you up to date and reaby to rock! :-)
 Maybe that is the reason
[13:54] <BluesKaj> ready
 Yeah! Thanks BluesKaj
 What is the name of your band?
[13:55] <BluesKaj> we have 3 guys with guests sitting in alot of the time, but we joke about being "Tres Hombres"
 Oh
 Would be cool to listen something
[13:57] <BluesKaj> we're old guys who no longer do any outside gigs ..too much work
 This is not your main job?
[13:58] <BluesKaj> we'll be recording some songs later this winter but we need to rehearse a lot of them first
[13:59] <BluesKaj> no, I'm a retired Lab Tech guy, Franzpow
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Vamsi Krishna Reddy Mudamala, I don't see any Radeon Graphics listed there
 Blueskaj: that's cool you keep playing!
 I am recording my second album with my trio
[14:05] <BluesKaj> Vamsi Krishna Reddy Mudamala, ok go back to the desktop and run this in the terminal, sudo lshw -C video, then pastbin the results
[14:06] <BluesKaj> !pastebin
[14:10] <BluesKaj> Vamsi Krishna Reddy Mudamala, you have to find the Graphics section in your UEFI/BIOS and choose the Radeon gpu as default
[14:20] <BluesKaj> the video card is your graphics
[14:21] <BluesKaj> in https://irc-attachments.kde.org/zCbaOpij/file_21124.jpg
[14:21] <BluesKaj> click on the video card
[14:23] <BluesKaj> should be in your devices section
[14:25] <BluesKaj> or PCI devices or some such
[14:26] <BluesKaj> post what you mean by this
[14:28] <BluesKaj> what image?
[14:32] <BluesKaj> this might help you find the correct driver https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97fj4bGJxVM
[14:42] <BluesKaj> yes, Kmenu,System-Settings>Hardware>DriverManager
[14:47] <BluesKaj> these and/intel hybrid graphics systems are difficult on linux
[14:47] <BluesKaj> amd/intel
[15:10] <BluesKaj> Vamsi Krishna Reddy Mudamala, i was mistaken, the amd and intel gpus work together as one graphics system so there's no default individual gpu in the uefi/bios
[15:12] <BluesKaj> Vamsi Krishna Reddy Mudamala this is the best i could find that seems to fit your situation https://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/04/sln298475/a-guide-to-hybrid-video-on-dell-pcs-with-an-ubuntu-operating-system?lang=en
[16:07] <TLLC-chuck> anyone know of a good crossplatform p2p chat client? I am running Kubuntu and want to be able to communicate with the other machines on my network. We have several running various Ubuntu spins as well as an Arch and a couple of Windows 10 machines
 telegram, thunderbird IMS, skype, hangouts....
[16:15] <TLLC-chuck> they all go over the internet...I'm looking for one that is local network hence p2p
 I know about hamachi
 But I don't know if it is crossplatform
 Surely you can use it without internet
 Yep, there is hamachi for linux
 Try it and let me know
[16:33] <BluesKaj> Franzpow, unfortunately he left before you mentioned hamachi
 Oh..
 I think it could work for him
 BluesKaj: some advices for a good live-music laptop with kubuntu?
 I now have to send my broken laptop back to amazon.. And buy a new one
 Hopefully around 300€
[16:38] <BluesKaj> Franzpow, i don't know ... our band uses W10 since everyone else uses windows in our music circle \
 It's ok with w10.. I will change the so when I buy it
 I just need an hardware compatible laptop and an afforfable onr
 One*
[16:42] <BluesKaj> I love audio, but I'm not really knowledgeable about laptops for music recording and producing
 Oh ok.. Thanks anyway
[16:44] <BluesKaj> some say buy a mac , but I detest their marketing and customer service so I won't go near their products
 I hate them too.. But.. I know a lot of people here with mac for music production
 They are expensive and I think that at that cost you don't get what you deserve for how much you pay
[16:45] <BluesKaj> and they pay thru the nose for a pretty ordinary computer
 Yep.. With a so anywhere near to the lightweight distro like kubuntu
 I was doing well with a celeron quadcore on Kubuntu.. But acer.. That's not reliable :P
 Plus an used one
 I also hate the fact that I am forced to use logic on the mac.. That's the only reason I think to use it for music. Using cubase on a Mac just don't have any sense to me
[16:53] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do for a while
 Bye
[18:48] <HighMemoryDaemon> Is there something similar to Ubuntu's "Software & Updates" in Kubuntu? I would like to adjust some of its settings.
[18:48] <HighMemoryDaemon> Particularly the livepatch and the "Notify me of new Ubuntu version"
[18:49] <diogenes_> discover  maybe.
[19:13] <user|42130> hi
[23:45] <mc35> I on youtube looking at the linux app summit day 3 from last month on desktop setting. I run zorin os 9 and I would know do any esle run this os
[23:48] <mc35> I not new to the linux os but I want what most of the community os is?


[10:47] <mauriz> hi there
[10:47] <mauriz> does the launchpad actually work?
[10:48] <mauriz> i can't register


[04:09] <sbalneav> Evening all
[10:23] <imperfectionest> good morning
[10:32] <subp> hi guys can anybody help me with the x11vnc install on a thin-client. Don't seem to work for me
[14:48] <sbalneav> Morning all
[15:19] <stgraber> moin sbalneav


[01:51] <Muscovy> Hi aprilg.
[01:53] <aprilg> HI Muscovy
[01:53] <Muscovy> Good to have you back. :D
[01:53] <aprilg> how's everything going?
[01:53] <aprilg> thanks :)
[01:53] <Muscovy> Well.
[01:53] <Muscovy> We've got a PPA up.
[01:53] <aprilg> I'll look into the content this weekend. I'm still at work :/
[01:53] <aprilg> that's good!
[01:53] <Muscovy> I think we're a few days away from a "hey, test this out, everyone".
[01:54] <aprilg> excellent :)
[01:54] <Muscovy> Just one annoying bug to fix, it keeps putting duplicate entries.
[01:54] <Muscovy> http://i.imgur.com/2RzoC.png
[01:57] <aprilg> exciting times :D
[03:20] <UndiFineD> o/
[19:14] <UndiFineD> !help


[13:53] <lazyPower> rick_h_: Whoooooops! I swear i know what team you work on
[13:53] <rick_h_> lazyPower: :)
[13:53] <rick_h_> old habits die hard
[14:31] <jcastro> rick_h_, we should have juju publish by may right?
[14:36] <rick_h_> jcastro: yes, we've got a call later today to talk about it
[14:36] <jcastro> ok, there's a conference in may for a charm I want to show off but we'll need publish by then
[14:36] <jcastro> is that a risky move for me or a safe  bet? :)
[14:37] <rick_h_> jcastro: when it gets closer let me know nad we'll make it happen
[14:37] <rick_h_> if we're not 100% there we'll flesh out the tools to demo
[14:38] <jcastro> "let my code on github be listed on the store" is all I want
[14:38] <jcastro> well, I want lots of things, but mostly that, heh
[14:38] <rick_h_> jcastro: sounds good
[14:38] <rick_h_> jcastro: yes, with confidence you can demo that in may
[17:20] <hatch> problem with fitbit - it only counts your steps not that you've been standing around for 4h :)
[21:04] <hatch> hmm I have finally run out of space on my cell phone....32GB has lasted me 2 years of bloat
[21:04] <rick_h_> lol
[21:05] <hatch> now what....I suppose I could delete some songs or photos
[21:05] <hatch> games, apps
[21:29] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: lazyPower mbruzek https://twitter.com/mitechie/status/555838939878027264 fyi, you have to click on the tweet details to see it
[21:30] <mbruzek> nicely done rick_h_
[21:30] <lazyPower> rick_h_: opengraph data?
[21:30] <rick_h_> lazyPower: twitter card support
[21:30] <rick_h_> lazyPower: have to get it all signed off and such through them
[21:30] <lazyPower> nice
[21:31] <rick_h_> lazyPower: soon we'll turn the svgs into pngs and then each charm can have it's own icon in the tweet
[21:31] <lazyPower> i was following the other metadata task and saw the hangup on svgs and shed a tear
[21:31] <rick_h_> but that's later
[21:31] <rick_h_> yea
[21:31] <rick_h_> though the work on that has started
[21:31] <rick_h_> just a chunk of work to do on the fly svg->png translations at the required sizes since everyone is different, G+, twitter, etc
[21:31] <rick_h_> and performant
[21:34] <hatch> oh that's working now? Nice - I tried this morning and i couldn't get it to work
[21:35] <rick_h_> you have to click through to the details on the tweet
[21:35] <hatch> lemme try again
[21:35] <hatch> nice it's working now
[21:35] <hatch> it wasn't working before
[21:35] <rick_h_> woot
[21:36] <rick_h_> cool
[21:36] <hatch> sucks that it says it's by charmers :(
[21:36] <hatch> I want credit damnit!!!
[21:36] <rick_h_> then finish publish work :P
[21:37] <hatch> lol
[21:38] <hatch> it's unfortunate that it doesn't support svg :(
[22:00] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:01] <hatch> morning huw


[18:04] <arraybolt3> It appears that download byte counts have mysteriously vanished from lubuntu-upgrader.
[18:04] <arraybolt3> https://i.imgur.com/pEFkMyQ.png
[18:06] <arraybolt3> Sigh. I was about to try an experiment with LXQt + Miriway. Now I'm going to be doing bugfixing instead :P
[18:07] <arraybolt3> Why are all the bugs only hitting now?!
 because
[18:13] <teward> arraybolt3: because you didn't take out the trash last week now the bugs have found their way to the evil
[21:08]  * arraybolt3 knocks over teward's trash can
[22:58] <guiverc> arraybolt3, re: openbox 'new patch'; did you upload to your PPA; I've not seen updated package (unless I missed it)
[22:58] <arraybolt3> guiverc: I did not. I probably won't since dbungert intends to look at and sponsor it, in which case it will likely upgrade over the top of what's in the PPA.
[22:59] <arraybolt3> I'm somewhat disappointed that the existing patch was rejected because of a might-not-even-be-truly-upstream patch with possible technical problems that had itself been rejected by another distro. But it's not my call, and really the other patch works, so...
[23:47]  * guiverc notices there is no mention of any flavors on 20.04.6 (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2023-March/000287.html)


[10:34] <huats> does anybody can sponsor bug 234463, it is a bit blocking for me right now...
[10:37] <geser> huats: rebuilds should get a -xbuildy version (if there are no ubuntu changes)
[10:38] <geser> and please close your bug in the changelog
[10:38] <huats> geser: sure geser for the bug
[10:38] <huats> I'll change that right now
[10:44] <sebner> huhu cody-somerville
[10:44] <cody-somerville> hyea
[10:44] <cody-somerville> :)
[10:45] <sebner> cody-somerville: recieved my mail?
[10:45] <cody-somerville> sebner, yes but I'm not sure what I did, lol
[10:45] <sebner> cody-somerville: nvm ^^
[10:45]  * sebner hugs cody-somerville
[10:46]  * cody-somerville wants to know though :(
[10:46] <cody-somerville> Are you sure you don't mean to thank persia?
[10:57] <huats> geser: can you have another look at bug 234463 ?
[10:57] <huats> is it better now ?
[10:59] <geser> huats: yes, you just need to wait now for a main sponsor
[11:00] <geser> huats: I collect mine perl rebuild debdiffs for main in bug #230016
[11:00] <huats> geser: ok
[11:01] <huats> geser: do you need any help ?
[11:02]  * RAOF notes that Fedora's 'Make a live USB image' howto would be more useful if it didn't start "Install livecd-utils in your Fedora system..."
[11:03] <Laney> I thought that too...
[11:04] <geser> huats: once libreadyonly-{,xs-}perl got synced, one can look again which -perl packages can be given-back (see the FTBFS list)
[11:05] <huats> ok
[11:05] <huats> geser: well if you need help for this task, just let me know...
[11:06] <geser> huats: the main part is to figure in which order the -perl package needs to get build/given-back
[11:06] <geser> huats: will do
[11:09] <leifdk1978> hey does building pacages requrire programming knowlege like c++ or
[11:10] <geser> no, more how a Makefile looks like
[11:10] <leifdk1978> ahh that one i know :)
[11:11] <leifdk1978> just wondered if i could be of help
[11:12] <geser> help is always needed :)
[11:13] <leifdk1978> cool just need a pointer in the rigth direction
[11:15] <leifdk1978> is there a place to get source code or tar.gz/bz2 files and to know where to start
[11:16] <ruiboon_> leifdk1978: you can get the sources of many packages using apt-get source pkgname
[11:16] <leifdk1978> ohhh nice
[11:18] <leifdk1978> do motu hava a wike or
[11:18] <huats> leifdk1978: have a look here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[11:24] <huats> geser: I just put the rebuild for libdbd-sqlite3-perl
[11:25] <leifdk1978> hmm so this thing is just to make deb files and fix any realy easy bugs or
[11:29] <geser> huats: see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdbd-sqlite3-perl/+bug/230016/comments/24 :)
[11:30] <huats> geser: ok you have a point
[11:30] <huats> :)
[11:31] <geser> I've set it back to New so it doesn't get overlooked by a main sponsor
[11:31] <huats> sure
[11:32] <huats> I mean remove my
[11:32] <huats> debdiff and stuffs
[11:32] <huats> you did it firet ;)
[11:32] <huats> first
[11:38] <huats> well I let you do as you planed geser :)
[11:38] <huats> once again ping/mail me if you need help...
[11:39] <huats> got to go soon but I might be available to do stuff in the we
[11:54] <thp> how can I get an updated universe package into hardy?
[11:55] <geser> thp: what kind of update?
[11:56] <thp> a new upstream version of a package that fixes lots of bugs in the version that is currently available in hardy (gpodder)
[11:58] <geser> the best approach would be through a hardy-backport (if the new version is already in intrepid)
[12:04] <geser> huats: if you interested: rrdtool (main) needs a merge (for the perl 5.10 transition)
[12:05] <huats> geser: ok I'll have a look
[12:06] <huats> geser: cannot find it on dad
[12:07] <huats> sorry I haven't seen it was on main
[12:07] <huats> ..
[12:09] <geser> huats: ming (universe) needs also a merge (please check if bug #174956 can be easily fixed)
[12:14] <huats> geser: ok I cannot do it right now, but I keep that on my mind and I let you know soon about...
[12:14] <huats> thanks
[12:19] <pwang> just a little moan here guys. why is firefox 3 rc1 not released for hardy yet? it's released for intrepid.
[12:21] <pwang> just a little moan here guys. why is firefox 3 rc1 not released for hardy yet? it's released for intrepid.
[12:22] <pwang> *sigh* i guess i'll have to go with the launchpad package instead.
[13:35] <Laney> slangasek: Mind if I take the pdns merge?
[13:42] <\sh> moins
[13:43] <\sh> Ng: I just filed a bug report about terminator segfaulting when no $DISPLAY is set :)
[13:56] <\sh> the backport procedure is somehow complicated
[14:07] <leifdk1978> hmm this thing motu seeem ok fun
[14:11] <\sh> "this thing motu"?
[14:12] <leifdk1978> to make new versions of deb files a bit complex but fun and help full
[14:14] <\sh> nah...generating debian packages is not as hard as playing with rpm source packages where the whole package info and build info and post/pre-inst/rm stuff is inside one file and you need to read weired rpm macros :(
[14:15] <jdavies> \sh: pity he left
[14:16] <\sh> that's life ;)
[14:17] <Iulian> Troll?
[14:17] <jdavies> Iulian: think Harry Potter
[14:18]  * Iulian smiles
[15:24] <\sh> uh...my first propose to merge branch ..
[15:28] <bddebian> Heya gang
[15:29] <sebner> hihu bddebian
[15:37] <bddebian> Hi sebner
[15:42] <jdong> urgh stupid slow airport wifi
[15:42] <jdong> I guess beggars can't be choosers
[16:31] <LucidFox> smarter, you here?
[16:31] <smarter> yep
[16:31] <LucidFox> You don't need to use REVU to update packages already submitted to Ubuntu
[16:32] <LucidFox> File a bug on LP for qdevelop and attach the diff.gz for the new version, and I'll sponsor it
[16:32] <smarter> okay, didn't know that
[16:32] <smarter> thanks
[16:33] <smarter> feel free to nuke the upload then ;)
[16:33] <LucidFox> okay
[16:34] <smarter> what is the "Updated packages" for in revu?
[16:34] <LucidFox> archived
[16:34] <LucidFox> From what I understand, it's a remnant from before this practice was developed
[16:35] <smarter> ok
[16:47] <smarter> LucidFox: bug #234605
[16:47] <LucidFox> smarter> will do
[16:47] <smarter> thanks
[16:48] <LucidFox> wait... debdiff?
[16:48] <LucidFox> I asked for diff.gz
[16:48] <LucidFox> a debdiff will be huge, it will include all upstream changes
[16:50] <LucidFox> debdiffs are for changes within the same upstream version, e.g. from -0ubuntu1 to -0ubuntu2
[16:52] <smarter> oh sorry, didn't realise ^^'
[16:53]  * smarter uploads the diff.gz and tar.gz right now
[16:56] <smarter> LucidFox: done
[16:57] <LucidFox> smarter> thanks, will upload
[16:58] <LucidFox> the orig.tar.gz isn't necessary, by the wa
[16:58] <LucidFox> y
[17:01] <smarter> LucidFox: why?
[17:02] <LucidFox> because it can be created with get-orig-source
[17:03] <smarter> yes, but then you will get today snapshot and need to change the version number in debian/changelog
[17:30] <Festor> Is there a problem with the PPA?
[17:30] <Festor> see this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/156872
[17:30] <Festor> Already 10 hours have passed and still no package. I can only see the sources.
[18:22] <LucidFox> smarter> uploaded
[19:24] <emgent> hello
[19:25] <\sh> oh prague is coming home
[19:28] <devfil> hi emgent!
[19:43] <emgent> Yeah \sh :)
[19:59] <sebner> \sh: why weren't you in prague? I think it will never be so near in the near feature
[20:00] <\sh> sebner, time contraints
[20:00] <\sh> sebner, I have to earn money :)
[20:00] <sebner> \sh: what a pitty
[20:00] <sebner> \sh: bah money ^^. btw, why is gentoo bad on servers? ^^
[20:01] <\sh> oh...I have to repeat my speech from 2006 ;)
[20:01] <sebner> \sh: was using XP at that time :P
[20:01] <\sh> sebner, gentoo will never have a real "stable release" as we know it from rh, deb, ubu, suse
[20:02] <pwnguin> heh, i just cleaned up the office in my mom's house and found a gentoo installer from 2002
[20:02] <sebner> \sh: this sucks for servers but on the desktop it's the best you can do. Damn ubuntu :P
[20:02] <\sh> gentoo is dynamic...which is good for a source based distro...
[20:02] <\sh> sebner, no it sucks
[20:02] <\sh> sebner, you sit the whole day and compile software but you don't use it
[20:02] <sebner> \sh: argh. only bleeding edge is rue
[20:02] <sebner> \sh: ah gentoo. ok ^^
[20:02] <pwnguin> with gentoo, you can't really hold off on updates for very long
[20:03] <directhex> gentoo doesn't need a bugzilla though - if someone reports a bug, just update the package, and say the bug is invalid because it was filed against an old version!
[20:03] <\sh> indeed, gentoo is nice for software people who needs the latest software for their development...
[20:03] <\sh> but for stability and reliabilty gentoo is wrong
[20:04] <\sh> I was blind these days...I'll pray that I'll never do such a mistake again...never ever promised
[20:04] <\sh> lol
[20:06] <pwnguin> oh the other hand, our cluster admin enjoys gentoo
[20:06] <directhex> pwnguin, lies
[20:06] <pwnguin> lots of CPUs mounted on an NFS boot saves a bit on that whole compile thing
[20:07] <pwnguin> compiles the kernel in 26 seconds it does
[20:07] <directhex> who in their right mind uses gentoo on a cluster?
[20:07] <pwnguin> instead of?
[20:09] <directhex> something with some actual support - from both the vendor and the guys making third party apps like abaqus
[20:09] <pwnguin> na
[20:10] <pwnguin> its academic
[20:10] <pwnguin> the whole department's servers run gentoo anyways
[20:10] <directhex> madness :|
[20:11] <pwnguin> according to the sysadmins, the dept's needs were too demanding for debian
[20:11] <pwnguin> too many "please install this software i wrote" etc
[20:11] <directhex> still madness!
[20:11] <pwnguin> probably
[20:12] <pwnguin> on the other hand, they didnt have to expire two years worth of ssh keys
[20:12] <\sh> pwnguin, they don't know it yet ,-)
[20:13] <pwnguin> directhex: im sure theres a redhat server somewhere running oracle
[20:13] <pwnguin> but for the most part, the dept supports itself it seems
[20:14] <\sh> gentoo has its reasons to be there...and I'm thankful for people who ran and used gentoo...they are known to put away more pain and are not children anymore
[20:14] <directhex> i like vendor support. being able to send them core dumps & say "it breaks, fix it!" is a better situation that feeling around in the dark
[20:15] <\sh> directhex, do that with adobe
[20:15] <pwnguin> define vendor
[20:15] <pwnguin> adobe?
[20:15] <pwnguin> dell?
[20:15] <directhex> pwnguin, sgi, dell, people like that
[20:15] <\sh> "Dear Adobe, your FMS3 doesn't honour your umask settings...even if it says different"
[20:15] <pwnguin> well, the company they buy hardware for does that
[20:15] <pwnguin> for "linux"
[20:16] <pwnguin> i dont know the details, but i know they've been back and forth about hardware support a few times
[20:20] <\sh> anyways...I'm the only one, at least in the company of this customer, who had the experience with gentoo...and I was wrong to believe they could learn the gentoo ways these days...now they know the confixx way of doing things, and I'm fcked, because I have to fix the shit
[20:20] <\sh> that's why gentoo was a sin...and I have to be punished for that
[20:21] <pwnguin> \sh: it's probably a bit different with a campus Computer Science department with a large gentoo user base in the LUG
[20:22] <\sh> pwnguin, yes...as I said, gentoo needs to be there...I'm not blaming gentoo for my mistake :)
[20:22] <\sh> I blame myself
[20:22] <\sh> it cost me again hours of my life...
[20:23] <\sh> lucky i've been, two years ago, this company had still 7 gentoo servers of me ;) they replaced 6 of them with centos , because they don't want to pay RHEL money ;)
[20:24] <\sh> but this one...the whole mail infrastructure , incoming and outgoing :( they are frightened to replace this server, too...and yesterday somewhat around midday their harddrives were 100% full ;)
[20:25] <pwnguin> anyways, i think the main campus computing services uses solaris for the paid support
[20:45] <\sh> oh guys, terminator is really lovely .. the new release will rock ;)
[21:32] <emgent> \sh: sure! terminator rocks!
[21:33] <sebner> bah. all this advertisment ^^
[21:33] <emgent> ScottK: big lol!
[21:33] <sebner> emgent: got your question anwered?
[21:33] <sebner> *answered
[21:33] <emgent> no
[21:34] <emgent> http://en.emanuele-gentili.com/index.php/2008/05/24/ubuntu-developers-summit-some-photos/#comments
[21:34] <emgent> hahaha
[21:35] <sebner> emgent: linus torvalds xD hey but that's somehow true =)
[21:54] <norsetto> howdy
[21:54] <sebner> hiuhu norsetto
[21:56] <emgent> o/ norsetto
[21:56] <norsetto> hey emgent, so, you left the italian community too ....
[21:57] <sebner> norsetto: I didn't left the italian community but also don't want to be ignored :P
[21:58] <emgent> norsetto: yes
[21:58] <\sh> oh god...pitti like aseigo
[21:58] <\sh> no ways
[21:58] <emgent> hehe
[21:59] <norsetto> sebner: do you want me to kiss you wildly in public?
[21:59] <\sh> and scottk looks like linus? hell...this john guy doesn't have a clue about age ,-)
[21:59]  * RoAkSoAx hi yall xD
[21:59] <\sh> norsetto, *ROTFLBTC*
[21:59] <sebner> norsetto: public? public IRC yes :P
[21:59] <emgent> norsetto: where do you read the news?
[22:00] <\sh> oh damn...
[22:00] <\sh> I need to get up at 6 tomorrow...and I need to shave
[22:00] <emgent> \sh: heya man!
[22:00] <emgent> argh
[22:00] <sebner> baba \sh
[22:01] <norsetto> emgent: ubuntu-it-dev m.l.
[22:01] <\sh> I wonder why people hate my captcha :)
[22:02] <norsetto> \sh: is that an article about UDS!?
[22:02] <\sh> norsetto, hmm?
[22:02] <norsetto> \sh: [22:59] <\sh> and scottk looks like linus? hell...this john guy doesn't have a clue about age ,-)
[22:02] <\sh> norsetto, yeah it's a comment on emgents blog
[22:02] <\sh> about uds pictures
[22:03] <emgent> yes
[22:03] <norsetto> \sh: too bad you weren't there, I would have been happy to meet you
[22:04] <\sh> norsetto, well...the invitation came too late and I really don't have the time...this coming week the LT fair...it was hard to get holiday from work
[22:04] <emgent> mee to \sh
[22:04] <emgent> s/to/too/
[22:04] <\sh> norsetto, what about next UDS ? ;)
[22:05] <\sh> norsetto, we are young enough :)
[22:05] <norsetto> \sh: indeed ;-)
[22:05] <emgent> hehehe
[22:05] <\sh> norsetto, and at least..italy is not far away .. a short jump over swiss and I'm there ;)
[22:05] <sebner> \sh norsetto emgent : Did you participate at the daniel flashhug? ^^
[22:06] <sebner> \sh: AUSTRIA ole ole
[22:06] <emgent> sebner: yes!
[22:06] <emgent> see youtube video, I'm in. :)
[22:06] <norsetto> sebner: I refrained, another 100 kg could have been too much ...
[22:06] <sebner> hehe
[22:07] <sebner> emgent: well I couldn't recognise anybody except jono and daniel ^^
[22:07] <norsetto> \sh: yeah, I talked with Claire about the next European UDS, I hope we will be able to do that in Rome
[22:08] <\sh> norsetto, hmmm?? I thought we will have a nice UDS somewhere in brasilia with nice chicks and hot drinks ;) far away from home so nobody can see us ;)
[22:08] <\sh> well...just an idea...
[22:09] <norsetto> \sh: Brasil? Hmmmm, I think I like that
[22:09] <\sh> guys, I really need to go...shaving and to bed tomorrow morning 4 o'clock UTC the night is over
[22:09] <\sh> cu tomorrow :)
[22:09] <RoAkSoAx> nxvl, wanted to propose Perú for the next UDS
[22:10] <norsetto> \sh: good night
[22:11] <emgent> woow Peru` ?
[22:12] <sebner> google is everywhere xD
[22:12] <sebner> google maps/earth xD
[22:12] <RoAkSoAx> ember, yeah!! Cusco maybe xD
[22:13]  * norsetto wonders if there is any motu-sru team member around
[22:17] <RoAkSoAx> emgent, yeah!! Cusco maybe xD (Where macchu picchu is xD)
[22:30]  * norsetto thinks we should get rid of hit-and-run packages like memaker
[22:34] <Gralco> hey guys
[22:35] <sebner> norsetto: hmm? hit and run?
[22:36] <norsetto> sebner: call it package-and-forget
[22:37] <Gralco> how exactly does pbuilder work
[22:37] <sebner> norsetto: but why?
[22:37] <norsetto> sebner: why what?
[22:38] <norsetto> !pbuilder | gralco
[22:38] <sebner> norsetto: why package and forget? Have you anything against it?
[22:38] <Gralco> i know what it is
[22:38] <norsetto> sebner: I have everything against it
[22:38] <sebner> norsetto: lol. why?
[22:38] <Gralco> its just when i went through the package managing guide i got lost
[22:39] <norsetto> sebner: because, what good to the distro is having stuff which is broken and unmaintained?
[22:40] <sebner> norsetto: broken and unmaintained? If that's true and you are right with your package and forget thing
[22:43] <sebner> norsetto: but I thought they were busy developing and getting it into ubuntu as important part
[22:44] <Laney> It's weird that Memaker installs itself into System->Preferences
[22:46] <sebner> Laney: maybe really b0rken
[22:46] <Gralco> I turn an application in to Brian Murray for the ubuntu bug control team a week ago and I still haven't had any notice from it.
[22:46] <Laney> Gralco: Try #ubuntu-bugs for that
[22:46] <norsetto> sebner: it can be the greatest software on the planet, but if its broken and unmainteined I still think its wrong to have it
[22:46] <Gralco> how long does it usually take
[22:46] <sebner> norsetto: and are you sure that it is?
[22:47] <Gralco> laney okay
[22:48] <norsetto> sebner: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/memaker/
[22:49] <sebner> norsetto: ok bugs but https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/memaker/+bug/204595
[22:49] <norsetto> sebner: yes, exactly what I mean ....
[22:50] <sebner> norsetto: but it seems that upstream isn't dead so no not what you mean ;)
[22:50] <norsetto> sebner: and what good is upstream if nobody takes care of it in the distro?
[22:51] <sebner> norsetto: the MOTUs do :)
[22:52] <Laney> norsetto: But the upgrade bug is "In Progress", so someone is looking at it
[23:27] <norsetto> g'night all
[23:27] <emgent> night Cesare


[00:47] <tafa2> Does anyone know where I can modify the default 50-cloud-init.yaml template?
[02:49] <teward> tafa2: you might want to simply roll your own that gets installed and overwrites the cloud-init one.
[02:50] <teward> not sure you can override the default 50-cloud-init.yaml during install (which is normally populated by what you put into subiquity during the installer phase, or is autopopulated by an autoconfig)
[09:47] <leumashm> Hi guys, when i try to run the command line history, i notice it starts from line 1000+ how to retrieve back from line 1 all the way to the last command used in history?
[14:37] <smoser> man
[14:38] <smoser> oops. wrong window.
[14:45] <ogra> What manual page do you want?
[14:45] <ogra> For example, try 'man man'.
[23:31] <aloini> I am having some issues with a software tool that mentions that the server has a different date than the remote server: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PMt5zndPSY/ - is there any other tool that I can use to validate the date and time skew?


[14:26] <brainwash> Noskcaj: bug 1308533 is fixed in utopic/vidid, right?
[14:43] <brainwash> bluesabre: parole > xdg-screensaver resume > xset s default  causes bug 1363540
[14:50] <elfy> ochosi: ^^ and therein lies my mysterious screensaver keeps setting to 10 minutes \o/
[15:12] <brainwash> elfy: can you confirm this part? "Also, it does not matter whether the option to prevent the screen saver is on or off in parole preferences."
[15:13] <elfy> yep
[15:14] <brainwash> ok, so we got two bugs, one in parole and one in xdg-screensaver
[15:15] <elfy> actually there's a bug in xfpm as well
[15:17] <elfy> parole sets to 600s - open pm, still set to never (here) you have to change time to foo - close pm, open pm to reset to Never (here) for it to actually set
[15:22] <brainwash> so pm does not read the current timeout value
[15:23] <brainwash> I cannot test it right now
[15:33] <elfy> I guess not
[15:34] <elfy> anyway - all that aside - I'm just glad I know what was causing it :)
[15:46] <jjfrv8> ochosi, can you take another look at the powerman docs? I've updated the screenshots and filled in the Plugin section.
[15:48] <jjfrv8> I really wanted to get a shot of an external device showing in the indicator dropdown but so far I've been unable to find any that show up.
[17:54] <ochosi> elfy, brainwash thanks for unriddling that! should be fixable (e.g. by using xfce4-powerman instead of xdg-screensaver where available)
[17:55] <elfy> ochosi: I was very pleased to see that bug - I thought I was going nuts :p
[17:55] <ochosi> yeah, i can relate :)
[17:56] <ochosi> jjfrv8: thanks a bunch, i'll check them out!
[17:57] <elfy> ochosi: tomorrow at the meeting - I've got a forum council one at the same time in -meeting (which will be short) then one in another channel with the same people, but I'll try and keep up with in here - might take pings to get me though
[17:57] <ochosi> ok, good to know
[17:58] <ochosi> sorry, i wasn't aware of the forum council meeting, otherwise i'd have chosen a different hour
[17:58] <elfy> that's ok :)
[17:59] <ochosi> jjfrv8: cool, screenshots look great so far, guess only the devices are missing and then we can soon move this over to docs.xfce.org
[19:17] <Noskcaj> brainwash, yeah
[19:18] <Noskcaj> You can check by looking at the .deb size differences
[20:17] <brainwash> Noskcaj: ok, I'll mark it as fixed
[20:28] <brainwash> ochosi: fixing xdg-screensaver would be the right approach, it's just strange that no one else has noticed this issue yet (or reported it)
[20:28] <ochosi> brainwash: not sure it is, tbh
[20:28] <ochosi> it's a script, so it can't easily restore the settings
[20:28] <ochosi> unless it saves them somewhere already
[20:29] <brainwash> but is has to be fixed anyway, because other players depend on it too
[20:29] <ochosi> can't remember, it's been too long that i looked at this crappy script
[20:29] <brainwash> you can store values in a tmp file
[20:29] <ochosi> yeah, i guess others do that too
[20:29] <ochosi> well frankly the last time i tried to fix it upstream, i just ended up getting not so helpful replies
[20:30] <ochosi> so feel free to give it a stab yourself
[20:32] <brainwash> the bug in the parole code needs to be fixed too
[20:33] <brainwash> it seems to run xdg-screensaver regardless of the "prevent screensaver while playing stuff" setting
[20:33] <ochosi> possible, i haven't looked in a while
[20:33] <brainwash> fairly easy to fix, maybe I'll take a look
[20:33] <brainwash> where are the new people who want to contribute? :)
[20:35] <ochosi> yeah, where are they?
[20:40] <brainwash> ochosi: and regarding the file manager entry showing up twice in the whisker search page, how about highlighting entries from the settings category? something like "File Manager"  + " - Settings" -> "File Manager - Settings"
[20:40] <brainwash> maybe in italic
[20:41] <brainwash> would be a feature request for gottcode
[20:42] <brainwash> this way we won't need to rename or hide anything


[04:36] <mikeputnam> UUUUUUBUUUUUUUUUUNTUUUUUUUU
[04:37] <mikeputnam> also Linux!
[05:08] <intok> mikeputnam also cheese


[02:28] <almoxarife> [404] almoxarife #ubuntu Cannot send to channel <-- how long is this set to last? and what is the official reason given, plse
[02:28] <ikonia> almoxarife: hi there
[02:28] <almoxarife> hi ikonia ...
[02:29] <ikonia> you know exactly why you are muted
[02:29] <almoxarife> ikonia: no i dont really
[02:29] <ikonia> really you don't remember telling a user to re-install to "punish" him for using gentoo
[02:30] <ikonia> and then being proud of it enough to ping me in ##linux to laugh about it
[02:30] <almoxarife> i told some nick who had arch running on a vm to re-install yeah, but i am thinking he knew better than what he seemed
[02:31] <ikonia> the guy had a basic dns problem
[02:31] <ikonia> he was pointed at the #archlinux channel (sorry arch not gentoo)
[02:31] <almoxarife> ikonia: the guy was running arch on a vm
[02:31] <ikonia> you then made a point of telling him to re-install
[02:31] <ikonia> which was just uncalled for
[02:32] <ikonia> you also then pinged me in linux to confirm you tried to "shaft him"
[02:32] <ikonia> so the mute stayed in place
[02:32] <almoxarife> ikonia: seems like the answer in channel for alot of other reasons not needing a re-install
[02:32] <ikonia> sometimes re-installs are needed
[02:32] <ikonia> no question of it
[02:33] <almoxarife> ikonia: i am just wanting to know the time period of the penalty thing
[02:33] <ikonia> but you work out the best approach and help, sometimes that's pointing them at the right channel, sometimes a simple fix, sometimes a re-install
[02:33] <ikonia> as well you know
[02:34] <almoxarife> ikonia: i have seen 're-install' for some really ridiculous reasons, and not a peep, but who am i to argue
[02:34] <ikonia> almoxarife: then you should have said something
[02:34] <almoxarife> as you can tell i have no love for arch, it shows
[02:34] <ikonia> and if others are giving bad advice, that doesn't mean you then copy it
[02:34] <ikonia> I don't care if you like arch or not, but you don't try to punish users for using it
[02:34] <almoxarife> ikonia: really, argue it? it never works out, you tend to own it issue from then on,
[02:35] <ikonia> almoxarife: no you don't
[02:35] <ikonia> and if you don't understand the issue enough to help or "own" it, then you probably are not in a place to say if a re-install is needed
[02:35] <ikonia> if you know a re-install is not needed then you should step in to help
[02:35] <almoxarife> well, if i argue it then i feel i own the fix to the nick
[02:35] <ikonia> that's your issue then
[02:35] <almoxarife> fine
[02:35] <ikonia> there is no obligation to help
[02:36] <ikonia> but that has nothing to do with your recent behaviour
[02:36] <almoxarife> i just want to know how long to bug out for, thats all
[02:36] <ikonia> no idea at this time
[02:37] <ikonia> I can't see you coming back until your attitude changes
[02:37] <ikonia> and I don't see anything to suggest it will
[02:37] <almoxarife> oh, i see, lets just give it a date, shall we, its not life and death, i have done that
[02:37] <ikonia> why ?
[02:37] <almoxarife> ikonia: thats fine, make it permanent, see ya , it was fun
[02:38] <ikonia> I've just told you the reason it's not got "a date"
[02:38] <ikonia> bye
[02:38] <ikonia> ok
[04:05] <ikonia> hello chillpill_
[06:14] <Tm_T> hi chillpill_
[06:15] <Tm_T> bkerensa_: identify? (:
[06:44] <bkerensa_> Tm_T: sorry my znc has been acting up it should do that automagically
[06:44] <bkerensa_> :D
[06:50] <Tm_T> no excuses! (;
[10:35] <OpenSorce> What happened? Last week you guys changed ubottu's !netflix response to reflect the support channel #netflix-desktop now it no longer mentions it...
[10:36] <Tm_T> OpenSorce: it was reversed, as we would rather point to official support channel or estamblished community
[10:36] <OpenSorce> Right, the channel is official support
[10:37] <Tm_T> OpenSorce: officialness is indicated in where?
[10:37] <OpenSorce> Would you like to join the channel and speak to Mr. Hoover himself about it?
[10:39] <Tm_T> if you could discuss with him about listing support options here? http://www.compholio.com/netflix-desktop/
[10:39] <Tm_T> !netflix
[10:40] <Tm_T> hmmmph
[10:41] <OpenSorce> I will, in the meantime it would be great if ubottu could let people know that there is a channel that will give them more help than "Netflix doesn't work with Linux" which we see so often in #ubuntu that would be awesome :-)
[10:41] <OpenSorce> Also, web support is handled through https://bugs.launchpad.net/netflix-desktop not the comments section of the page ubottu states.
[10:42] <Tm_T> I understand, but I'm not enthusiasted about leading people on #ubuntu to some channel that has no trrail, so to speak
[10:42] <Tm_T> OpenSorce: yeah, I'm changing that factoid currently
[10:43] <OpenSorce> Trail? The developer is a channel owner and constant resident of the channel. We help people there every day. So he just needs to mention the channel on the webpage then?
[10:44] <Tm_T> OpenSorce: yes please
[10:44] <OpenSorce> Great, I'll check back in here after he does that...
[10:45] <Tm_T> ubottu: no, !netflix is <reply> If you use Netflix, there is an unofficial solution for using it in Ubuntu detailed in http://www.compholio.com/netflix-desktop/ - bug reports in https://bugs.launchpad.net/netflix-desktop
[10:45] <Tm_T> ubottu: no, netflix is <reply> If you use Netflix, there is an unofficial solution for using it in Ubuntu detailed in http://www.compholio.com/netflix-desktop/ - bug reports in https://bugs.launchpad.net/netflix-desktop
[10:45] <Tm_T> thank you
[16:25] <tbrtrb> hi
[16:25] <tbrtrb> someboy here ?
[16:25] <DJones> Hi tbrtrb
[16:26] <tbrtrb> I was bann since 20 Min  I think in ubuntu servers
[16:26] <tbrtrb> there were a troll who was COMPUTER
[16:26] <tbrtrb> and I was COMPUTER_
[16:26] <DJones> tbrtrb: I was the op who set the bans, just let me check something
[16:26] <tbrtrb> and I was ban coz I had a similar name
[16:27] <tbrtrb> notwist tell me that also
[16:27] <tbrtrb> nice open proxy you rookie troll
[16:28] <tbrtrb> that same man said ' !op computer is still in the channel as nick computer_ from open proxy'
[16:28] <tbrtrb> then I said that there were 2 computer, the troll computer and me computer_, notwist tell a wrong thing and ban
[16:30] <tbrtrb> U are still here DJ ? can I pm u ?
[16:30] <IdleOne> tbrtrb: Please be patient a moment
[16:30] <DJones> tbrtrb: Just hold on, still checking
[16:31] <tbrtrb> ok, is it ok to pm admin ?
[16:31] <tbrtrb> * computer<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu (requested by DJones (Please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess if you feel mistreated))
[16:31] <tbrtrb> * caddoo<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[16:31] <tbrtrb> * caddoo has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[16:31] <tbrtrb> * ChanServ gives channel operator status to DJones
[16:31] <tbrtrb> * peddor<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[16:32] <tbrtrb> * DJones sets ban on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:32] <tbrtrb> * ChanServ removes channel operator status from DJones
[16:32] <tbrtrb> * Gamer1990_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu
 lucido: ok i had to install adobe version to get youtube right
[16:32] <tbrtrb> * jtheuer__ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
[16:32] <Pici> tbrtrb: please don't paste here.
[16:32] <Pici> We have logs.
[16:33] <tbrtrb> what is * Pici sets mode -q #ubuntu-ops tbrtrb!*@*
[16:34] <tbrtrb> and
[16:34] <tbrtrb> * Pici removes channel operator status from Pici
[16:34] <Pici> I quieted you because you were spamming the channel.
[16:34] <IdleOne> tbrtrb: Please be patient a moment
[16:35] <DJones> tbrtrb: Sorry about that, looks like I caught you in the ban by mistake, apologies for that, give me a minute to remove the ban
[16:38] <DJones> tbrtrb: You should be fine to continue now
[16:39] <tbrtrb> I'm not anymore ban normally ops
[16:39] <DJones> Nope, the bans been removed, you can go back to your old nick of "computer_" as well if you want
[16:39] <tbrtrb> ok allright thk bye ppl


[00:05] <simon_> aloha, amigos!
[00:07] <simon_> could anyone tell me, as i have a semi pernament brain fog, how does the snaps solve the issues of updated libraries? i.e. let say there is a library widely shared amongs the snaps, and it has a vulnerability. is there any way to push the patched version onto the snaps? or does every maintainer has to update it and push it?
[08:25] <simon_> .... anyone?
[14:59] <mup> PR snapd#12269 opened: image/image_linux: Show snap revision when fetching <Created by AristoChen> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12269>