[06:06] <alkisg> Hi, is it possible to change the description of a ppa (https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+edit) without changing the Release Label?
[06:06] <alkisg> Because I think both are updated at the same time, which results in this apt warning, which can be very confusing to inexperienced users:
[06:06] <alkisg> E: Repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/ts.sch.gr/ppa/ubuntu focal InRelease' changed its 'Label' value from 'Αποθετήριο Τεχνικής Στήριξης ΣΕΠΕΗΥ' to 'Αποθετήριο ενημερώσεων ΣΕΠΕΗΥ'
[11:22] <cjwatson> alkisg: The Label field is always taken from the PPA's *display name*, but the *description* is separate and you can change that freely
[12:17] <alkisg> cjwatson: oh I'm sorry I didn't express myself properly. I meant that I want to change the PPA "display name" without affecting the "Label" field (as it's causing apt warnings), which I guess you already answered that it can't be done...
[12:18] <cjwatson> alkisg: It cannot, no
[12:18] <alkisg> There's a "PPA description" there (https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ubuntu/ppa) and a Description there (http://ppa.launchpad.net/ts.sch.gr/ppa/ubuntu/dists/focal/Release), but I didn't mean any of them, I meant the display name
[12:20] <alkisg> Thank you once more :)
[12:20] <cjwatson> https://git.launchpad.net/launchpad/tree/lib/lp/archivepublisher/publishing.py#n1012 is fairly straightforward
[13:35] <alkisg> If I put appstream metadata in my PPA packages, they'll still not show up in `gnome-software` due to launchpad not exporting metadata, right?
[13:35] <alkisg> Are there any plans to support appstream metadata in launchpad?
[15:18] <cjwatson> alkisg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1574948, but it's not currently planned
[15:19] <cjwatson> (I don't disagree with the suggestions there though)
[18:01] <alkisg> Merci! :)


[18:18] <akik> ComMan: your rpcbind is inactive. use journalctl -xe after trying to start it to see where it goes wrong
[18:18] <ComMan> akik: let me make a suggestion, i will re-setup the system and show you the paste, everything will be active by no sharing bare with me
[18:19] <jrmiah> are any committers here? are you aware that the default bootup for ubuntu server on a machine with no monitor attached is 'off'? I'm using intel AMT machines and the thing boots blank...
[18:19] <SpeccyMan> bear, we don't get bare in here ;-)
[18:20] <nacc> jrmiah: 'default bootup is 'off''?  what does that mean?
[18:20] <ComMan> akik: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/386827/67310825/
[18:20] <jrmiah> nacc: boot your linux box without a monitor attached
[18:20] <nacc> jrmiah: no, explain your problem.
[18:21] <jrmiah> nacc: are you aware of what intel AMT / vPro is? remote KVM out of band.
[18:21] <craptalk> does ubuntu pidgin dont work on facebook?
[18:21] <akik> oh my god. why is there ... in the output? systemd madness
[18:21] <jrmiah> its actually builtin to consumer level stuff now - Intel NUC MYE has it. $389 unit.
[18:21] <craptalk> or is it something else?
[18:22] <n3wborn> Hi there. I didn't know the journalctl command and this is what I saw... Am I Hacked by a chineese man ?! http://paste.ubuntu.com/18186654/
[18:22] <Evan> Hey guys, I'm looking at IFCONFIG and see "inet6 ipv6_addr/64 scope link " ... what is the actual IPv6 of the server though? I can't connect to  ipv6_addr/64 or  ipv6_addr
[18:22] <jrmiah> anyway I don't to rant :) I shuld do that on the mailing list or something...
[18:22] <tgm4883> jrmiah: can you explain what you mean by "default bootup for ubuntu server on a machine with no monitor attached is 'off'"
[18:22] <n3wborn> Is someone trying to hack my computer ?
[18:22] <akik> ComMan: ok so it's working. what happens between now and when it stops working?
[18:22] <molgora> ciao
[18:22] <molgora> !list
[18:23] <tgm4883> n3wborn: doesn't appear to be so
[18:23] <n3wborn> tgm4883: so what is it ? I am the only one to connect using ssh and the Ip seems to be located in china
[18:23] <jrmiah> tgm4883: yes. disconnect your monitor from your box. Boot your machine. The video card is not sending a signal to the output.... this is not how things used to be. It didn't use to matter if a MONITOR was detected on console boot, it just 'turned on' anyway. Now it doesn't. I assume for APMI goodness it turns off the video
[18:24] <jrmiah> video card rather... saves a few watts
[18:24] <tgm4883> n3wborn: oh wait, I misunderstood your question. Yes it does appear to be that
[18:24] <nacc> jrmiah: do you mean KVM like Linux or KVM like keyboard,video,mouse?
[18:24] <tgm4883> nacc: it's remote access software
[18:24] <jrmiah> nacc: heh like remote desktop.
[18:24] <tgm4883> nacc: it's remote access hardware
[18:24] <nacc> tgm4883: ah i see
[18:25] <ComMan> akik: so when i reboot, rpcbind is turned off, i sent you the paste of it. i have to run the first two commands from the last paste in order to activate it
[18:25] <jrmiah> tgm4883: hardware and software technically
[18:25] <akik> ComMan: and you have ran the systemctl enable command for both services?
[18:25] <jrmiah> but the thing is it just relays whats on the actual video display - its a separate chip from the bios + cpu - if nothing is on the video, then it can't show anything
[18:25] <n3wborn> tgm4883: Ok. What could I do to be coller with this kind of thing ? only allow some users with their own keys ? (mine btw)
[18:25] <jrmiah> I should video cap it
[18:25] <jrmiah> to you can see what happens....
[18:25] <n3wborn> tgm4883: cooler*
[18:26] <ComMan> akik: i don't know that command, what is it?
[18:26] <tgm4883> !denyhosts | n3wborn
[18:26] <tgm4883> !fail2ban | n3wborn
[18:26] <tgm4883> fine ubottu, be that way
[18:26] <n3wborn> tgm4883: thanks
[18:26] <akik> ComMan: it creates the links from /lib/systemd to /etc/systemd to enable the service
[18:26] <tgm4883> n3wborn: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fail2ban
[18:26] <ComMan> akik: ok, what is the command? is it sudo systemctl enable rpcbind?
[18:27] <akik> ComMan: sounds about right
[18:27] <jrmiah> tgm4883: are you or anyone a committer?
[18:27] <tgm4883> jrmiah: no, that all makes sense. I would guess there is a way to force that on
[18:27] <ComMan> akik: ok let me try it
[18:27] <Robin_Jadoul> Is there any way to get the quassel irc client in the system tray? It seems to want to use the DBus DockManager interface, but the systray doesn't seem to support that
[18:27] <tgm4883> jrmiah: lots of people are committers...
[18:27] <jrmiah> tgm4883: uhhh yeah... not sure what
[18:27] <jrmiah> tgm4883: haha
[18:27] <akik> ComMan: of course the same for the main nfs server service
[18:27] <jrmiah> apparently your more of a buddist than a committer
[18:28] <jrmiah> ... 'the committer is within'
[18:28] <ComMan> akik: can i also sudo systemctl enable nfs-kernel-server?
[18:28] <akik> ComMan: sounds right. i don't know the service name  by heart
[18:28] <mr_yogurt> whenever i run a sudo apt-get install <whatever>, at the end i get an "errors were encountered while processing: libnm-glib4:amd64 libnm-gtk0:amd64 unity-control-center indicator-bluetooth" at the end
[18:28] <tgm4883> jrmiah: well you're asking if I have commit access, which I do, but probably not for the packages you need
[18:29] <tgm4883> jrmiah: nor have you filed a bug, which would be the first step to resolution
[18:29] <ComMan> akik: ok rebooting now
[18:30] <jrmiah> tgm4883: well thats probably the best step anyway.... filing bugs in an informal software engineering org though - its hard enough at enterprise software companies to manage them :_
[18:30] <jrmiah> :)
[18:30] <tgm4883> jrmiah: I'm assuming there is a video card in the box?
[18:31] <tgm4883> jrmiah: I'm wondering if this will resolve it for you http://askubuntu.com/questions/453109/add-fake-display-when-no-monitor-is-plugged-in
[18:31] <jrmiah> tgm4883: with a monitor attached linux acts normally. without a monitor attached BIOS and iPXE work normally until post kernel semi-init (it gets to some point then blanks completely)
[18:31] <OerHeks> mr_yogurt, try libnm-glib4 without :amd64
[18:31] <ComMan> akik: ok after boot both rpcbind and nfs-kernel-server are active, but showmount -e gives me      clnt_create: RPC: Program not registered
[18:31] <OerHeks> libnm-gtk0 too
[18:32] <jrmiah> i would love if mine acted like that :D
[18:32] <mr_yogurt> OerHeks: i never tried it with. it pops up after installing anything. unless you mean for me to run apt-get on it?
[18:32] <jrmiah> but hey lets try
[18:33] <jrmiah> tgm4883: the thing is that a non framebuffer console would be great - any idea how to force that?
[18:33] <OerHeks> mr_yogurt, odd, where does this come from, wat were you trying to install??
[18:33] <tgm4883> jrmiah: nope
[18:33] <jrmiah> passed in 'vga' kernel args but no avail
[18:33] <tgm4883> jrmiah: on a separate note, can you detect whether that AMT is supported from inside linux?
[18:33] <akik> ComMan: check "journalctl -xe" for errors
[18:33] <mr_yogurt> oerheks: literally anything. although i just tried sudo apt-get install --reinstall libnm-glib4:amd64 and the problem seems to have one away
[18:33] <tgm4883> I've not tried or researched it, but it would be handy for my closet destktop/server
[18:33] <mr_yogurt> *gone away
[18:34] <jrmiah> tgm4883: not per se... its a totally 'out of band' chip
[18:34] <ComMan> akik: No journal files were found.
[18:34] <tgm4883> jrmiah: yea I figured as much, but you can query some stuff on the board
[18:35] <tgm4883> jrmiah: I'll just hook up a monitor and look
[18:35] <mr_yogurt> does ubuntu have emacs preinstalled?
[18:35] <nacc> mr_yogurt: i don't think so?
[18:35] <akik> ComMan: how about "journalctl -u nfs-kernel-server.service"
[18:36] <jrmiah> tgm4883: while it can share an IP with your OS through a sort of proxying, I just run it on it's own IP address. You can't really do this stuff any other way either - an IP KVM that decodes / sends HDMI is a hacker project... and besides you still need input via mouse / keyboard. I don't think Intel even realizes that the only people buying computers now are gamers and guys that run servers in their closets with no need for a monitor :D
[18:36] <jrmiah> tgm4883: so basically what was meant by if linux can talk to it is it can, but only via web interface and VNC ... it has it's own VNC server builtin which is how the remote desktop works.
[18:36] <ComMan> akik: No journal files were found.
[18:36] <jrmiah> (and API)
[18:37] <tgm4883> jrmiah: I was more just wondering if I could see if my closet "server" supported it
[18:37] <tgm4883> without having to dig out a monitor
[18:37] <nova3d-macmini01> Is freenas good to file storage?
[18:37] <tgm4883> nova3d-macmini01: wrong channel
[18:37] <jrmiah> tgm4883: which motherboard is it?
[18:38] <nova3d-macmini01> is a linux distribution
[18:38] <nacc> nova3d-macmini01: this is the ubuntu support channel
[18:38] <nova3d-macmini01> ok, sorry
[18:38] <tgm4883> nova3d-macmini01: no it isn't. And even if it was, this is the ubuntu support channel
[18:38] <akik> ComMan: can you pastebin "ps -ef | grep -E 'nfs|rpc'"
[18:39] <tgm4883> jrmiah: Asus X79 Deluxe ATX LGA2011 Motherboard
[18:39] <jrmiah> tgm4883: mine seems DOA but try this one - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182990
[18:40] <jrmiah> tgm4883: dual NICs, ATM, mini ITX, 32GB max.
[18:40] <ComMan> akik: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/386835/31202014/
[18:40] <akik> ComMan: it looks like the nfs service didn't start up
[18:41] <tgm4883> ComMan: Do you have ubuntu on this pi?
[18:41] <thegreenhundred> nova3d-macmini01: I use freenas at home and for my lab at work and it makes a great & very flexible box. cant hurt to learn the same things on RHEL/CentOS though
[18:41] <ComMan> thegreenhundred: no raspian
[18:41] <akik> ComMan: try "sudo systemctl restart nfs-kernel-server.service"
[18:41] <ComMan> tgm4883: no raspian
[18:41] <akik> uh
[18:41] <tgm4883> ComMan: that seems off topic
[18:41] <Pencil2> Is there a Cent0S chat?
[18:42] <tgm4883> !centos | Pencil2
[18:42] <dax> Pencil2: #centos
[18:42] <ComMan> akik: when i use this command everything is fine, i restart it and it works, but i have to rpeat that every after every reboot. i will repeat it now and paste you the result
[18:42] <dax> and raspbian belongs in #raspbian, not here
[18:42] <ducasse> ComMan: but you're not running ubuntu.
[18:42] <Pencil2> !centos
[18:43] <OerHeks> !alis
[18:43] <tgm4883> Pencil2: no, you need to '/join #centos'
[18:44] <ComMan> akik: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/386836/12229146/
[18:44] <akik> ComMan: ok there's your problem. after party at #raspbian
[18:45] <ComMan> akik: you want us to continue talking at #raspian?
[18:45] <tgm4883> yes
[18:45] <akik> ComMan: no i'm not there :)
[18:45] <dax> we want you to use your distro's support channel instead of some other distro's support channel
[18:45] <akik> ComMan: you need to figure out why that nfs service doesn't start on boot
[18:45] <ComMan> akik: how?
[18:45] <dax> /join #raspbian
[18:45] <tgm4883> ComMan: ask in #raspbian
[18:55] <johnakabean> o/ how do I put a key for encryption in /boot so that it doesn't have to be manually entered to unlock encryption on hard drive?
[18:55] <johnakabean> on startup
[19:02] <ducasse> johnakabean: doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of encrypting the drive in the first place?
[19:03] <n3wborn> tgm4883: I installed and configured denyhosts, then added the ip that tried to connect via ssh. Do I need to restart denyhosts after the modifications made in /etc/denyhosts.conf ?
[19:03] <djapo> hello, i want to create a udev rule that creates a device with certain product id and vendor id that just symlinks to another device
[19:03] <djapo> does anyone here have the experience or knowledge to do this?
[19:04] <tgm4883> johnakabean: 0_o
[19:04] <tgm4883> n3wborn: possibly. Although you should look at fail2ban instead
[19:05] <ducasse> djapo: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Udev
[19:05] <n3wborn> tgm4883: ok, thanks, but why fail2ban instead ?
[19:06] <tgm4883> n3wborn: more powerful, I have a nagging thought that denyhosts isn't updated anymore but not finding anything on that ATM
[19:07] <johnakabean> ducasse sorry meant usb drive
[19:07] <johnakabean> instead of /boot
[19:07] <johnakabean> like ln something
[19:07] <n3wborn> tgm4883: All right. Thanks for help and advice !
[19:10] <johnakabean> more like what line of http://www.cheshirekow.com/wordpress/?p=810 do I start at and stop when I already have encryption setup and have key in head
[19:11] <johnakabean> well i don't want to erase whole drive which i see dd ...... of=/dev/sdb1
[19:16] <ioria> johnakabean, i mean... , you want to store the key on a usb pen in order to boot your machine ?
[19:24] <Mitchell92> Hello... I'm preparing to install Ubuntu on my notebook, I haven't used Unity before and am not sure if I'd like it, could I just then install XFCE or will I need to reinstall everything from the XFCE derivitive, or can I just install xfce from ubuntu if i dont like unity?
[19:26] <nacc> Mitchell92: you'd just install the xubuntu-desktop package, aiui, and choose that DE when you login
[19:26] <Mitchell92> Thanks. What is aiui?
[19:26] <nacc> 'as i understand it'
[19:26] <Mitchell92> okay
[19:26] <Mitchell92> thanks
[19:26] <Mitchell92> for a moment i thought it was another package.
[19:27] <Madhu__> I am installing ubuntu 12.04( 64 bit ) in IBM x3100 M5  machine. It is having inbuilt RAID and I have configured the RAID in BIOS. But, When I installing the OS at the time of partitioning disk, I am getting the error as "Operation not permitted during write on /dev/md126
[19:28] <Madhu__>  Hi
[19:28] <Madhu__> Suria
[19:28] <syria> Hi guys, I think I have bad sectors in my hdd please help me to fix it I cannot afford a new one. :(
[19:29] <djapo> using udev rules i know how to indentify a device and set a symlink for it, i was wondering if with that symlink could i assign it a different id for vendor and product
[19:29] <syria> Madhu__:  Hi !
[19:29] <djapo> syria: what filesystem are you using?
[19:29] <ducasse> syria: you can't fix bad hardware with software.
[19:29] <Madhu__> Pls help to install ubuntu
[19:29] <djapo> you can stop using those sectors tho
[19:29] <nacc> Madhu__: is there a reason you are installing 12.04 instead of, say, 14.04?
[19:30] <syria> djapo: I am running kubuntu so it woruld ext i think!
[19:30] <SchrodingersScat> doesn't it normally blacklist the bad sectors automatically?
[19:30] <djapo> check, will you
[19:30] <Madhu__> 3200 m5 not support raid in bos
[19:30] <syria> djapo: How can I do this please?
[19:30] <syria> djapo: Kubuntu 16.04
[19:30] <nacc> Madhu__: was that a response to me?
[19:30] <rodrigopaiva> syria , you can fix about using PartedMagic - https://partedmagic.com/
[19:31] <Madhu__> .yes my applucation works on that
[19:31] <syria> rodrigopaiva: Have you tried this app by yourself buddy? do you recommend it?
[19:31] <djapo> syria: fdisk
[19:31] <syria> djapo: Only the fdisk command?
[19:31] <rodrigopaiva> and burn this on media live (usb / dvd), start on boot and use the "DiskEraser" tool
[19:32] <Madhu__> Nacc ..y3s
[19:32] <ducasse> syria: if the disk is starting to give you bad sectors you need to get a new one. asap.
[19:32] <djapo> syria: df -T
[19:32] <nacc> Madhu__: what? i asked why you are using 12.04, you haven't given me a clear answer. I know it's supported, but it also goes EOL relatively soon
[19:32] <Madhu__> Nacc .. my app has testedon 12.04 only
[19:33] <syria> djapo: sda1 ext4
[19:33] <rodrigopaiva> the "Disk Eraser" tool you can choose zeros erase mode
[19:33] <syria> rodrigopaiva: And this will not corrupt the current OS ?
[19:34] <djapo> true, the disk will continue to get more bad sectors
[19:34] <djapo> syria: fsck.ext4 -cDfty -C 0 /dev/sd**
[19:34] <djapo> make sure you understand what that command does before you run it
[19:35] <rodrigopaiva> https://partedmagic.com/ - for you work with your HD - format and dimension the partitions and eraser in th 4 types
[19:35] <ducasse> syria: you're not listening at all, you _cannot_ trust that disk anymore. you will not be able to fix this with software.
[19:35] <Madhu__>  Nacc .. are you there
[19:35] <rodrigopaiva> syria, yes - you need to do backup before
[19:36] <syria> ducasse: I am listening but I have no other option buddy!
[19:36] <Eightynine> Hi. I'm using Xubuntu 16.04 with all updates and sometimes stops working. And in afternoon after installing updates I got blurred image. I got this issue in Ubuntu-based systems not the first time. Issue with image fixed by reboot.
[19:36] <nacc> !patience | Madhu__
[19:36] <nacc> Madhu__: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1881537&page=2 perhaps the advice there is good
[19:36] <Madhu__>  Syris ... Please help
[19:36] <ducasse> syria: then backup frequently and watch the smart data closely.
[19:36] <syria> Madhu__: Help who?
[19:36] <djapo> syria: you might loose data, just by running the command be warned :P
[19:36] <Madhu__> Ok
[19:36] <syria> ducasse: djapo Okay guys thnx!
[19:37] <rodrigopaiva> or you can cloning your disk first  to other disk using another tool (Clonezilla)
[19:37] <Madhu__> I wiil refer and revert
[19:37] <Eightynine> Please, help me.
[19:37] <syria> djapo: fsck.ext4 -cDfty -C 0 /dev/sda1 -p  is that correct?
[19:38] <nacc> Madhu__: and i would suggest you start future-proofing your application against trusty sooner rather than later.
[19:39] <rodrigopaiva> syria, in this moment i am in my work fixing bad block
[19:39] <syria> rodrigopaiva: And how are you doing this please?
[19:40] <rodrigopaiva> i am using  PartedMagic by usb drive (its live)
[19:40] <rodrigopaiva> yep, i do
[19:40] <syria> rodrigopaiva: How?
[19:40] <djapo> syria: yeah, i have not had good things happen when i start to get bad blocks .. my advice is/ backup than repair
[19:40] <rodrigopaiva> 97% fineshed
[19:40] <syria> djapo: I have no important data at all, thnx again buddy.
[19:41] <syria> rodrigopaiva: What is the name of the software?
[19:41] <rodrigopaiva> i am using the tools that I say u
[19:41] <syria> rodrigopaiva: After booting using it, Which option should I select please?
[19:43] <ComMan> is there a way to setup a bash script to be run after each and every reboot and shutdown?
[19:43] <rodrigopaiva> Parted Magic - https://partedmagic.com/ (read about this)
[19:43] <ducasse> syria: what he's suggesting is not going to help you at all. harsh, but true.
[19:44] <syria> ducasse: And the software is paid! :P
[19:44] <ducasse> syria: it can't fix a bad disk anyway, so it doesn't matter.
[19:45] <rodrigopaiva> you can to do backup first of your datas, etc for another disk / flashdrive / external hd
[19:45] <Madhu__> Nacc .. I refered
[19:45] <rodrigopaiva> its free
[19:45] <nacc> Madhu__: ok...
[19:45] <johnakabean> ioria, yes I want to store keyfile on usb pen
[19:45] <rodrigopaiva> open source
[19:45] <djapo> western digital blue 1Tb 49$
[19:46] <ioria> johnakabean,  try #20   http://askubuntu.com/questions/59487/how-to-configure-lvm-luks-to-autodecrypt-partition
[19:46] <Madhu__> Through live cd. Need to creat new partions and install ubuntu
[19:47] <Madhu__> Here md126_raid1 readonmy.. whay is it
[19:48] <Madhu__> Thanks Nacc.
[19:49] <Madhu__> Where to check for trouble shooting documents
[19:49] <ducasse> Madhu__: i would suggest dropping the bios raid and use software raid instead.
[19:49] <rodrigopaiva> Syria going now to downloads(https://partedmagic.com/downloads/) and burn a dvd / usb with unetbootin (https://unetbootin.github.io/) or yumi (http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/)
[19:49] <nacc> Madhu__: general opinion here: unless you have a dedicated RAID card (not on-board RAID), just use SW RAID
[19:50] <Madhu__> Is it better than bios raid
[19:51] <ComMan> is there a way to setup a bash script to be run after each and every reboot and shutdown?
[19:51] <Madhu__> Nacc ... Good idea
[19:52] <nacc> Madhu__: i would do some general research (mdraid, dmraid, etc.) but basically, on-board raid (fakeraid) is not very good really :)
[19:52] <hggdh> ComMan: after every reboot, yes; after a shutdown, no.
[19:52] <Mitchell92> I'm preparing to install Ubuntu 16.04 on a notebook I bought for class in the Fall. I've disabled secure boot in the bios. It's a HP notebook. Also has an option for some sort of legacy operation for Windows 7 and prior. Will Ubuntu work in UEFI mode? Or do I need to set it to legacy bios mode?
[19:52] <nacc> !uefi | Mitchell92
[19:52] <ComMan> hggdh: there is no way to auto run a script after shutdown?
[19:52] <nacc> ComMan: your computer is off after its shutdown?
[19:52] <nacc> ComMan: do you mean on ever boot?
[19:52] <hggdh> ComMan: no. After shutdown there is no system for the script to run on
[19:53] <Madhu__> Nacc .. last question. Id pissible to replace a disk  like  hw raid1  If any disk failed
[19:53] <ComMan> ok how can i setup a script to auto run after a reboot?
[19:54] <ComMan> ok how can i setup a script to auto run after a reboot? nacc hggdh
[19:54] <ducasse> ComMan: you're still on raspbian...
[19:54] <nacc> Madhu__: yes, cf. https://www.howtoforge.com/replacing_hard_disks_in_a_raid1_array
[19:55] <nacc> Madhu__: that's a RAID general definition, regardless of how it's implemented, I'd say (it wouldn't be RAID if you couldn't do that, depending on the level of RAID we're talking about)
[19:55] <hggdh> ComMan: add it (or a call to it) under /etc/rc.local
[19:55] <Madhu__>  Ok nacc ...
[19:55] <hggdh> ComMan: this should be enough even on systemd
[19:55] <hggdh> ComMan: just remember it will run as root. Make sure it is doing the right thing
[19:56] <jiggawattz> yo
[19:56] <jiggawattz> when is 16.04.1 being released?
[19:56] <jiggawattz> is it usually 1 month after or so?
[19:56] <nacc> !ltsupgrade | jiggawattz
[19:56] <ComMan> hggdh:  so just add the script to /etc/rc.local
[19:57] <hggdh> ComMan: yes. And make sure it is Doing the Right Thing
[19:57] <jiggawattz> nacc ▸ thanks broheme
[19:57] <k12> How do I permanently disable a network interface?
[19:57] <ComMan> hggdh: rc.local is a file, i have a bash script
[19:57] <gabriel> Why does the default Ubuntu installation use a lot of RAM?It's usually 800MB on idle.
[19:57] <synju> I'm having issues with libc-client.a: "configure: error: Cannot find imap library (libc-client.a)" -- even though its installed, can anyone help?
[19:58] <synju> its for phpbrew
[19:58] <synju> on ubuntu 16.04
[19:58] <k12> I followed a guide online that said to edit /etc/rc.local , but that didn't work.
[19:58] <k12> So, I dunno what to do.
[19:59] <nacc> ComMan: call your script from that file
[19:59] <hggdh> ComMan: chmod 755 it, if needed. rc.local is used for you to run additional commands after full reboot.
[19:59] <nacc> k12: how do you mean disable?
[19:59] <k12> On arch, it's much easier. For wired, it's sudo systemctl disable dhcpcd@<wired intergace here>.service
[20:00] <nacc> k12: are you using network manager? just don't configure it there
[20:00] <k1l_> k12: and that doesnt work?
[20:00] <djapo> i have a simple USB sound card which is seen as a USB microphone, i want to create a device with different vendor, product ids that just symlinks to this one. can anyone help me with this?
[20:00] <k12> k1l_ no.
[20:00] <ComMan> nacc: hggdh ok, i have my script chmod 775, how do i call it? i am not familiar with this language
[20:01] <synju> lol
[20:01] <nacc> ComMan: you're not familiar with bash but you wrote a bash script you want to run as root?
[20:01] <synju> can Anyone help me with libc-client.a ?
[20:01] <nacc> ComMan: /etc/rc.local isn't bash, but POSIX shell, which is close enough for script invoking purposes
[20:01] <ComMan> no nacc i am not familiar with the language the rc.local file is written in, so i do not know how to make it call my cript
[20:02] <nacc> ComMan: yes, /etc/rc.local is a shell script too
[20:02] <hggdh> ComMan: this is a shell script. If you do not understand shell scripting, I *strongly* suggest you *not* to add something you do not know what it doing on rc.local
[20:02] <ducasse> ComMan: why don't you just ask in #raspbian?
[20:02] <hggdh> ComMan: the risk is big
[20:02] <ComMan> hggdh: hmmm
[20:02] <k12> nacc: that's just it... when installing ubuntu base, I never configured wired. I configured wifi. But fsr, I can't stop ethernet from starting on startup.
[20:03] <nacc> k12: using network manager?
[20:03] <hggdh> k12: try editing /etc/network/interfaces
[20:03] <k12> Not that I know of.
[20:03] <synju> brb
[20:03] <nacc> k12: ok, probably in what hggdh said then
[20:04] <k12> hggdh: "ls: cannot access '/etc/network': No such file or directory"
[20:04] <k12> Oh wait...
[20:04] <k12> derp... I'm ssh'd into my arch server.
[20:04] <hggdh> heh
[20:05] <hggdh> k12: wait. Is this a server? If a desktop, nacc is more correct
[20:06] <k12> hggdh: no. I have WeeChat up and running on my server, so I connected to my server so I could get support.
[20:07] <k12> The problem lies on the computer that I'm connected from.
[20:07] <johnakabean> if something is formatted as fat (usb stick) what do you put in fstab?
[20:07] <k12> So, I modified /etc/network/interfaces to make wifi the primary interface.
[20:08] <Ben64> johnakabean: vfat
[20:09] <johnakabean> Ben64, anything after that?
[20:09] <johnakabean> defaults? or ?
[20:10] <Ben64> whatever you want i suppose
[20:10] <ComMan> hggdh: can i just add my script to /etc/init.d   ?
[20:10] <ducasse> johnakabean: for a usb stck you want nofail, at least.
[20:10] <johnakabean> ty both
[20:11] <synju> so.. anyone here use phpbrew?
[20:11] <johnakabean> synju, is it a knockoff of php or another port?
[20:11] <Choko> .-.
[20:12] <synju> its a app to switch phpversions on the fly
[20:12] <synju> ann*
[20:12] <synju> an* - god..
[20:12] <synju> I need help with a dependency..
[20:17] <k12> So... uh...
[20:18] <k12> I edited the /etc/network/interfaces file...
[20:18] <k12> but now wifi is configured as ethernet...
[20:18] <cantstanya> nice job
[20:18] <k12> I'm assuming because I forgot to hange the thing from dhcp to whatever...
[20:19] <zuberry> hi
[20:20] <k12> How do I set the primary network interface to the wifi device?
[20:33] <andrej> I'm trying to get 16.04 onto a Dell r320 via foreman ... the default preseed provisions OK, but the machine won't boot afterwards.
[20:33] <andrej> A manual install of ISO image works
[20:34] <genii> !info foreman
[20:34] <andrej> using the selections of that very install in the foreman leads to it never getting past "partman: reading all physical volumes" - that's been going for ~ 15 hours now
[20:34] <genii> Hm
[20:35] <andrej> genii - no, it doesn't. you have to add the foreman repo to install.
[20:36] <k12> I'm reading this source: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo
[20:36] <k12> >wireless-key
[20:36] <andrej> and foreman works OK for the VMs I've been using, and installs OK on soekris net6501 (makes a bootable system)
[20:36] <k12> Is that the password to the wifi?
[20:36] <OerHeks> foreman = puppet?
[20:36] <k1l_> k12: yes
[20:36] <k12> kk
[20:36] <Mitchell92> I just installed Ubuntu and under Wi-Fi networks it says "device not ready". Could someone help me make sense of this?
[20:37] <andrej> OerHeks - not quite ... foreman is first and foremost a provisiong tool. It can integrate w/ puppet, salt, ansible (with a prefertence for puppet).
[20:37] <andrej> I don't think the problem hinges on foreman, though, but on the hardware & preseed
[20:40] <ozberk> what happened to uoff topic channel
[20:40] <SnoopyDgg> guys, how do I delete a user from terminal and remove his home folder?
[20:40] <YankDownUnder> Mitchell92: Have you checked if the driver requires installation?
[20:40] <andrej> SnoopyDgg userdel -r
[20:40] <tgm4883> !ot | ozberk
[20:40] <Mitchell92> I haven't, YankDownUnder how would I do that?
[20:41] <SnoopyDgg> andrej, spasibo!
[20:41] <andrej> heh. i'm not russian, you're welcome :)
[20:41] <andrej> nic zakaj in my mother tongue ;}
[20:42] <YankDownUnder> Mitchell92: You should be able to do it through whatever package you're using to install software packages...
[20:43] <YankDownUnder> Mitchell92: Check this out, bro: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-16-04-lts
[20:43] <Mitchell92> thanks
[20:44] <andrej> Any pressed experts here? :)
[20:44] <andrej> preseed
[20:45] <Mitchell92> that doesn't really solve my issue YankDownUnder . I'm not a new linux user. its an intel 3165 rev 81 chipset, according to my lspci output
[20:46] <YankDownUnder> Mitchell92: Did it work in versions prior to 16.04?
[20:46] <Mitchell92> I just got this laptop.
[20:46] <loubilk> hello
[20:46] <Mitchell92> So I don't know.
[20:46] <Ben64> Mitchell92: what is the output of "rfkill list"
[20:47] <Mitchell92> Ben64, the one I think that would be of interest would be the "acer-wireless: Wireless Lan", soft blocked yes, hard blocked no
[20:47] <Mitchell92> its a HP two in one notebook I purchased for my fall semester
[20:47] <YankDownUnder> Mitchell92: http://askubuntu.com/questions/657774/how-to-get-my-intel-wireless-3165-to-work
[20:48] <Ben64> Mitchell92: well that should get you started. i have to leave for work, gl!
[20:48] <Mitchell92> thanks both of you
[20:58] <kzh>  /j #ubuntu-us
[21:03] <eelstrebor> why is synaptics (wiley) installed instead of synaptics (trusty) on ubuntu 14.04 (trusty)?
[21:04] <tgm4883> eelstrebor: what do you mean?
[21:04] <eelstrebor> just what i said
[21:04] <dax> synaptics as in the touchpad drivers? probably you have a HWE stack installed
[21:04] <dax> !hwe
[21:05] <tgm4883> ah yea
[21:05] <eelstrebor> the package name .....lts-wiley but the version shows trusty - very confusing
[21:05] <tgm4883> I was thinking the package manager
[21:05] <tgm4883> eelstrebor: you've got the HWE
[21:06] <eelstrebor> dax, yes i do have hwe stack installed
[21:06] <tgm4883> eelstrebor: well that's where you get it from
[21:08] <eelstrebor> just trying to figure out why i have erratic mouse point when using either the synaptic pad or the mouse on a laptop
[21:08] <eelstrebor> so far, googleing hasn't produced a solution
[21:08] <Mitchell92> I've done this, clicking enable wifi doesn't seem to do a thing.
[21:08] <YankDownUnder> eelstrebor: Have you tried to disable bluetooth to see if that helps?
[21:10] <Mitchell92> YankDownUnder, I've followed said instructions... wifi card won't enable.
[21:10] <caravagio> Hello. Can I update 16.04 to 16.10 Alpha 1?
[21:10] <Mitchell92> device not ready
[21:10] <k1l_> caravagio: use the developer path
[21:11] <caravagio> k1l_: You mean?
[21:11] <YankDownUnder> Mitchell92: Have you tried using the keyboard combination? Or is there a button on the laptop specifically for wifi?
[21:11] <Mitchell92> I've tried YankDownUnder
[21:11] <k1l_> caravagio: use "-d" when running the updater. that is for development
[21:12] <caravagio> k1l_: I did it, but said that there is no dowload for this for now.
[21:12] <Mitchell92> i'm also pressing the airplane mode button on keyboard and its not doing anything, just disabling / enabling bluetooth
[21:12] <k1l_> caravagio: where does the release prompt show to?
[21:12] <YankDownUnder> Mitchell92: Is it safe to assume that you've Google that make/model of laptop and Ubuntu + wifi + kernel + driver?
[21:12] <caravagio> k1l_: In Terminal: "No new release found"
[21:13] <Mitchell92> yes
[21:13] <zykotick9> caravagio: might want to ask in #ubuntu+1
[21:13] <k1l_> caravagio: see /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[21:13] <caravagio> zykotick9: Good point.
[21:14] <Mitchell92> how do i check my kernel version?
[21:14] <YankDownUnder> Mitchell92: Here's something to ask - and it's not a matter of "loyalty" to any specific distro - but have you tried the Fedora liveUSB to see if THAT picks up the driver?
[21:14] <zykotick9> Mitchell92: "uname -a" will show you
[21:14] <YankDownUnder> Mitchell92: Open a terminal, type: uname -a
[21:15] <Mitchell92> 4.4.0-28-generic
[21:16] <Mitchell92> i have the laptop off to the side of my desk plugged in now, trying to get wifi working
[21:16] <Guest78290> during boot I have error "missing operative system". Can anyone help me?
[21:16] <YankDownUnder> Mitchell92: In the BIOS of that machine, do you have the ability to turn off bluetooth and possibly is there anything to do with "legacy" drivers/"legacy" anything?
[21:17] <Mitchell92> Legacy something, in regards to my OS and the UEFI
[21:17] <Mitchell92> I'm looking on the ubuntu forum and i think i found something.
[21:17] <YankDownUnder> Mitchell92: Coolbeans...
[21:24] <Guest78290> can anyone help me? pls
[21:24] <Guest78290> during boot I have error "missing operative system". Can anyone help me?
[21:28] <YankDownUnder> Guest78290: What was done right before you got this - please describe in full.
[21:29] <Guest78290> YankDownUnder, i followed this guide http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/RipristinoMbrWindows
[21:29] <Guest78290> I'm on ubuntu live, atm
[21:29] <YankDownUnder> I don't speak Italian
[21:30] <Guest78290> YankDownUnder, it's about MBR Windows "rescue"
[21:30] <Guest78290> i did sudo ms-sys -w /dev/sdx
[21:30] <Guest78290> chosing the right one
[21:30] <Guest78290> i think
[21:30] <capum321> hello
[21:30] <YankDownUnder> Guest78290: In all honestly, I'm here to assist, not to read. I'm working. I give my spare time to help. This is not my job. If you tell me fully what you've done, where you're at, I might be able to help. Does that make sense?
[21:31] <Guest78290> YankDownUnder, i just used that comand. sudo ms-sys -w /dev/sda. Nothing else. I'm glad for your help
[21:32] <Guest78290> YankDownUnder, i did it cos i had error: unknown filesystem during boot. I have Ubuntu and WIn7 in the same hard drive
[21:32] <YankDownUnder> Guest78290: That doesn't appear to be a means by which to fix the MBR. You would have to use "gparted" and make the "Windows" partition "active".
[21:33] <Guest78290> YankDownUnder, how can i make Windows partition active again?
[21:34] <YankDownUnder> Guest78290: run "gparted" from the liveCD/USB. Locate the Windows partition. Make the partition active. Reboot and test it. Otherwise, read through this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[21:35] <Guest78290> YankDownUnder, I'm running "gparted" from the liveCD/USB. I have located Windows partition. I can't figure out how make that partition "actiove".
[21:36] <capum321> why my system doesn't have /etc/network/interfaces set up, and still I have connection on ethernet and wlan?
[21:38] <YankDownUnder> Guest78290: Find correct partition, highlight it. Right-click. Choose "Manage Flags" => tick "boot" => close dialogue. Click "Apply", reboot.
[21:39] <Guest78290> YankDownUnder, it is alread on "boot"
[21:39] <YankDownUnder> Guest78290: Right - well, then I would suggest reading completely through that webpage I sent you...
[21:41] <Guest78290> YankDownUnder, thank you
[21:41] <YankDownUnder> Guest78290: Here is a great tool to use for recovery of "Windows" systems - check it out: http://www.hirensbootcd.org/
[21:42] <Potao_> hi
[21:43] <Guest78290> YankDownUnder, i'll try even if i'm not understanding what's going on with my computer
[21:50] <draxdeveloper> hello, i am using ubuntu 16.04 and i want to use something to debounce my mouse
[21:50] <andrej> *sigh* ... that's just great. For shits & giggles I tried to install Debian8 via foreman and see if I can get questsions answered there if the preseed install fails
[21:51] <draxdeveloper> i have found this: http://blog.guntram.de/?p=16 but it's not updated
[21:51] <andrej> However, telling foreman about Jessie, changing the hosts OS from ubuntu to debian in foreman, kicking off a build and installing, 45 minutes later I have a working server
[21:52] <andrej> Back to the drawing board, waste another week on ubuntu
[21:52] <HackerII> !ot | andrej
[21:53] <andrej> heh
[21:53] <andrej> thanks
[21:54] <andrej> I would have thought that failing ubuntu preseed installs are relevant
[21:54] <andrej> feel free to disagree
[21:54] <andrej> :P
[21:59] <capum321> https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration "To create a network interface without an IP address" what's the obejctive here?
[22:06] <andrej> So in what weird and wonderful ways does Ubuntu tweak preseed? According to https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/amd64/apbs04.html#preseed-partman it uses debians installer preseeds; but debian works, ubuntu doesn't .. how do I make ubuntu work? :)
[22:06] <capum321> 'modprobe rtl8187' load up log has this "wlx00aa11bb22cc: renamed from wlan0" why this happening?
[22:11] <user___> guys
[22:12] <user___> have you seen my new disto
[22:12] <user___> https://www.instagram.com/goodmorningubuntu/
[22:29] <Mitchell92> I'm still having ubuntu wifi issues with the Intel 3165 chipset... card won't enable. I ran lshw -class network and I see, *-network DISABLED"
[22:29] <Mitchell92> it says its using iwlwifi 4.4.0-28-generic drivers.
[22:31] <capum321> mitchel92
[22:31] <capum321> Mitchell92: hello
[22:32] <maciej> hi all
[22:32] <Mitchell92> hi
[22:32] <maciej> I just entered irc chat first time since like from 15 years :)
[22:32] <capum321> what happens if you 'ifdown (eth0?)' && 'ifup (eth0?)'
[22:32] <capum321> maciej: why don't you surprise me?
[22:35] <capum321> maciej you did actually
[22:37] <maciej> surprise you? why?
[22:38] <capum321> there is people who are here but left the computer on since like 15 years!!
[22:38] <capum321> AFK!
[22:38] <capum321> rules
[22:39] <nacc> Mitchell92: do you happen to have a killswitch for the wireless?
[22:40] <nacc> Mitchell92: `rfkill list` may help if you do
[22:40] <Mitchell92> I got it to work http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2323700
[22:40] <Mitchell92> I had to blacklist acer_wmi
[22:40] <nacc> Mitchell92: ah ok
[22:44] <Mitchell92> now i just can't join the network
[22:46] <capum321> Mitchell92: do ifdown ifup
[22:46] <capum321> how is /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf set managed=true?
[22:47] <capum321> is today holiday over there? it quiet too quiet
[22:47] <Mitchell92> managed is set to false
[22:47] <Mitchell92> should i set managed to true?
[22:48] <capum321> wait
[22:48] <capum321> i think it isn't required, let's check /etc/network/interfaces
[22:49] <capum321> could you send me the file with cat or tee to pastebinit?
[22:49] <Mitchell92> yeah, one moment.
[22:50] <Mitchell92> it connects to non-secure networks fine
[22:50] <Mitchell92> which seems strange
[22:50] <Mitchell92> trying to connect to my networks regular 2.4ghz signal isn't working
[22:51] <Mitchell92> i'll try the 5ghz one
[22:51] <Mitchell92> i have a dual band modem / router all in one from my ISP
[22:51] <capum321> you are using a unadvertised ssid own network?
[22:51] <lickalott> Guys I'm having a heck of a time getting persistence to work on a thumb drive.  I've tried unetbootin, manually editing the grub.cfg, usblinux installer....and none of them actually do it.  Does anyone know of a full proof way/tut that I could run through?
[22:51] <azbarcea> I'm trying to clone the project of git-mediawiki ... http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/git-mediawiki
[22:51] <Mitchell92> no, i just tried connecting to a network that isn't protected and it let me on no problem
[22:51] <azbarcea> I'm tracking it and I see it comes from: https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/git
[22:51] <azbarcea> which points to: https://repo.or.cz/r/git/debian.git/
[22:51] <capum321> lickalott: mkusb?
[22:52]  * lickalott listens
[22:52] <azbarcea> any idea where the .git repo is for git-mediawiki - the one that creates the .deb for ubuntu?
[22:52] <capum321> what
[22:52] <lickalott> How do you enable persistence with mkusb?
[22:53] <capum321> lickalott: the new version you actually can be possible. version 10 IIRC
[22:53] <lickalott> Ahhh.....
[22:54] <Mitchell92> capum321, yeah it wont let me connect to secure networks, just ones without encryption... inside that file I have, "auto lo" on one line then "ifcae lo inet loopback"
[22:54] <draxdeveloper> so, i had to leave. But again i need to debounce my mouse
[22:55] <capum321> ifcae ?
[22:55] <lickalott> Thanks capum!  I'll play around tonight
[22:55] <capum321> draxdeveloper: what is 'debounce a mouse'?
[22:55] <Mitchell92> yes capum321 iface
[22:55] <capum321> ok
[22:55] <capum321> you know it has to be the right names
[22:55] <capum321> so you should populate it
[22:56] <Mitchell92> okay
[22:56] <Mitchell92> how would i do that?
[22:56] <draxdeveloper> i have this one http://blog.guntram.de/?p=16
[22:56] <draxdeveloper> but it's not updated
[22:56] <nacc> azbarcea: probably the ubuntu package is not maintained in a git tree
[22:57] <draxdeveloper> then someone made this: https://github.com/yuyuyak/input-evdev-debounce.patch
[22:57] <capum321> can you pastebinit lshw -C network   --  under logical name
[22:57] <nacc> those links you found are for the debian package
[22:57] <draxdeveloper> but i don't know how to apply the path
[22:57] <nacc> azbarcea: if all you need is the current source, use `pull-lp-source` as appropriate
[22:58] <azbarcea> nacc: thanks
[22:58] <azbarcea> nacc: I was expecting to see the git source (and packaging) here: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/
[22:58] <nacc> azbarcea: that would be true for the debian package, yes
[22:59] <kulelu88> Hi all
[22:59] <Mitchell92> capum321, would i just enter wlp2s0?
[23:00] <nacc> azbarcea: not every package (in ubuntu) is maintained in a git tree
[23:00] <zykotick9> azbarcea: just fyi, but most of ubuntu is unmodified debian test/unstable packages... just sayin'
[23:00] <azbarcea> nacc: I see everywhere (ubuntu+debian) references to: https://repo.or.cz/r/git/debian.git ... for me is kind of a blank page :D
[23:00] <capum321> draxdeveloper: This is for Ubuntu 14.04 all right?
[23:00] <nacc> zykotick9: good point, when they are in sync, azbarcea you can use the debian git tree
[23:00] <azbarcea> zykotick9: nacc: that's why I was searching in debian ... I think git (and packages related) come all from debian
[23:01] <nacc> azbarcea: i don't know about everywhere
[23:01] <nacc> !info git trusty
[23:01] <kulelu88> I am attempting to copy *.txt files across from 1 section of /var/lib/ to another section of /var/lib/ , with these .txt files being 'owned' by 'root', but when I run the cp command with full filepath of the source/destination, it gives me an error of::: cp: cannot stat ‘/var/lib/pathto/*.txt’: No such file or directory
[23:01] <capum321> Mitchell92: how would you do it?
[23:01] <kulelu88> oh and yes, I ran this with sudo
[23:01] <zykotick9> azbarcea: actually i'd think it goes developer's GIT -> debian -> ubuntu MOST of the time...
[23:01] <nacc> azbarcea: would be an SRU fo 1.9.1 to trusty, with 2 revisiosn after the SRU
[23:01] <Mitchell92> I've done it capum321 - rebooting that machine now.
[23:02] <azbarcea> nacc: (everywhere = http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/git-mediawiki :-) )
[23:02] <draxdeveloper> capum321, yeah =/
[23:02] <nyk2005> I installed ubuntu 16 server and for some reason it's incredibly slow! For example, "import pgdb" in python takes 2 seconds! It's a 16 core 3200mhz 24gb machine, so it should not be that slow...
[23:02] <draxdeveloper> capum321, i need something to 16.04
[23:02] <capum321> kulelu88: have you seen any capital letters?
[23:02] <nacc> azbarcea: that page doesn't menntion the page you referred to?
[23:02] <capum321> Mitchell92: so you know the drills
[23:02] <draxdeveloper> the closest i have found is the one in the github
[23:02] <capum321> Mitchell92: use that interface name
[23:02] <bprompt> kulelu88:    try without the dot, that is ->   cp *txt
[23:03] <azbarcea> nacc: click on git -> http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/xenial/git which click on Git: https://repo.or.cz/r/git/debian.git/
[23:03] <nyk2005> I ran a previous version of ubuntu for 7 year on the same machine, and it was always fine. What can be wrong with the current version??
[23:03] <draxdeveloper> but, the actual version of evdev is 2.10, not 2.92
[23:03] <kulelu88> capum321: what I did to make sure I was getting the correct paths was opening them with my file manager and copy/pasting the paths as the filemanager displays them
[23:03] <capum321> draxdeveloper: you should compile then!
[23:03] <azbarcea> zykotick9: you're right, the maintainer seems to be a Git maintainer
[23:03] <nacc> azbarcea: i think you're misapprehending what you are reading
[23:04] <nacc> azbarcea: but that specifically says "Debian Source Repository"
[23:04] <nacc> azbarcea: as in, that's the Debian version, not Ubuntu's
[23:04] <draxdeveloper> compile the patch? I will try
[23:04] <kandal> wanna host a domain name in my local server? who can help ?
[23:05] <kulelu88> same problem bprompt
[23:05] <nacc> azbarcea: in particular, git in xenial was updated out of band with debian
[23:05] <nacc> !info git xenial
[23:05] <nacc> azbarcea: 2.7.4-0 implies it was pulled in from upstream before Debian did
[23:05] <Mitchell92> it works... connected to the 5ghz network. 2.4ghz wasn't working.
[23:06] <draxdeveloper> capum321, tried this: apt-get source xserver-xorg-input-evdev-dev but it's says that it can't find the source package
[23:06] <bprompt> kulelu88:   hmmm .... alll I can think of is, capital letters and spaces in your paths
[23:06] <azbarcea> nacc: I see, thanks
[23:07] <nacc> azbarcea: so in that case, getting the debian tree won't help you at all
[23:07] <bprompt> kulelu88:    anyhow, for spaces, either escape them with \ , or double-quote the path
[23:07] <nacc> azbarcea: do you need the history actually?
[23:08] <capum321> draxdeveloper: i am on it, allow me some time
[23:09] <draxdeveloper> capum321, ty :)
[23:09] <kulelu88> bprompt: should there be a "/" in front of both paths? eg. sudo cp /var/lib/pathto/*.txt /var/lib/pathnew/ ?
[23:09] <nacc> azbarcea: stepping away, but if you don't, just use `pull-lp-source`
[23:10] <bprompt> kulelu88:     sure, the TARGET path may not need it though
[23:10] <kulelu88> bprompt: I think the issue may be somewhere else, cause I am attempting to try to copy .deb files from 1 container to another
[23:11] <nyk2005> I installed ubuntu 16 server and for some reason it's incredibly slow! For example, "import pgdb" in python takes 2 seconds! It's a 16 core 3200mhz 24gb machine, so it should not be that slow... I ran a previous version of ubuntu for 7 year on the same machine, and it was always fine. What can be wrong with the current version??
[23:12] <bprompt> kulelu88:   well, your command is syntactically correct
[23:13] <Guest4130> In bash script how do you check if a file name contains some string?
[23:13] <bprompt> Guest4130:    grep it
[23:14] <capum321> draxdeveloper: you should get from here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev
[23:14] <capum321> according to you release
[23:14] <draxdeveloper> capum321, ok, i will get it
[23:14] <kulelu88> bprompt: thanks mate, I've asked my question in #lxcontainers now
[23:15] <draxdeveloper> but they have debouncing?
[23:15] <Guest4130> bprompt: this does not seem to work... grep 'test' "tests/input-ASP-2.txt"
[23:15] <capum321> kulelu88: you have write permission to the destination?
[23:16] <bprompt> Guest4130:    looks good, you could try making it case-insensitive with -i, grep -i "test"  maybe
[23:16] <draxdeveloper> capum321, i have this version. The thing is:
[23:16] <bprompt> Guest4130:   well, you don't quote the filename searched in though, just the string to be found
[23:17] <Guest4130> bprompt: doesn't work
[23:17] <kulelu88> nice spotting capum321 . The owner of the folder has Read/write permissions, everyone else just has read permissions
[23:17] <draxdeveloper> I need debouncing
[23:17] <draxdeveloper> and those patchs have it
[23:17] <Jordan_U> Guest4130: What happens when you run that grep command? Please pastebin your test file and the output of "file /test/input-ASP-2.txt".
[23:17] <capum321> draxdeveloper: you don't know hoe to do it?
[23:18] <Guest4130> bprompt: removing the quotes didn't work. The command doesn't output anything, it should output the file name right?
[23:18] <capum321> how*
[23:18] <Jordan_U> bprompt: Guest4130: In this case quoting or not is equivalent.
[23:18] <draxdeveloper> capum321, debouncing? I tried, but don't have the option
[23:18] <Mitchell92> capum321, it works fine but it only gets on 2.4ghz wifi networks successfully not 5ghz networks... is this something to be concerned about? mine at home operates on both... although i'll be taking it along to classes with me. not sure if this is something i should try to resolve too?
[23:18] <capum321> draxdeveloper: i don't understand where you at.. are you followin the tutorial?
[23:19] <bprompt> Guest4130:   outputs the flilename and line with the string highlighted
[23:19] <capum321> Mitchell92: you computer or laptop?
[23:19] <Guest4130> Jordan_U: tests/input-ASP-2.txt: ASCII text, with no line terminators
[23:19] <bprompt> Guest4130:    but as Jordan_U said, pastebin your code and results
[23:19] <draxdeveloper> capum321, yep. I will try again
[23:19] <Jordan_U> Guest4130: It will only output anything if a match is found.
[23:19] <Mitchell92> capum321, laptop isn't connecting to 5ghz networks just 2.4ghz
[23:19] <Mitchell92> its an 802.11ac card
[23:20] <Mitchell92> it sees 5ghz networks but wont connect
[23:20] <capum321> how did you setup interfaces file?
[23:20] <Mitchell92> one moment
[23:20] <draxdeveloper> capum321, http://pastebin.com/gc4Vsps3
[23:21] <draxdeveloper> i don't have the tutorial option. I tried to apply the patch but it's just says that can't find the source package
[23:21] <Guest4130> Jordan_U:  bprompt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/18200828/
[23:22] <Mitchell92> capum321,  /etc/network/interfaces... I added "auto wlp2s0"
[23:23] <Jordan_U> Guest4130: -q means "quiet", so it won't output anything except possibly error messages.
[23:23] <Guest4130> Jordan_U:  It wont output anything from the grep command but ti should execute echo right
[23:23] <draxdeveloper> capum321, its not finding the source of xserver-xorg-input-evdev
[23:24] <capum321> draxdeveloper: did you use the link I gave you?
[23:24] <Jordan_U> Guest4130: Also, quotes prevent glob expansion.
[23:24] <capum321> Mitchell92: what else?
[23:24] <Guest4130> Jordan_U:  single or double or both?
[23:25] <Jordan_U> Guest4130: Both, but don't try to expand globs in variables anyway, therein lies madness and dangerous mistakes.
[23:25] <capum321> draxdeveloper: i understood now, doesn't have the option, try another id?]
[23:26] <Jordan_U> Guest4130: What is your end goal?
[23:26] <draxdeveloper> capum321, the problem is. Debouncing is not a default feature in evdev
[23:26] <kulelu88> bprompt: turns out the issue is with using /*.deb , as it worked when I copied a single file over
[23:26] <Guest4130> Jordan_U: if "ASP" is found in any file name i want certain commands to run
[23:26] <draxdeveloper> capum321, that's why i need to patch. But to patch i need the source of evdev
[23:27] <Mitchell92> Thats it, capum321 thats what I added.
[23:27] <draxdeveloper> maybe in the link i can find the source
[23:27] <capum321> draxdeveloper: the link I gave you!1111111
[23:27] <capum321> yes
[23:27] <capum321> please
[23:27] <Mitchell92> its working now capum321
[23:27] <Jordan_U> Guest4130: What is your end goal though? What eill this script actually do, and why?
[23:28] <capum321> draxdeveloper: this launchpad site is working, I have used it
[23:28] <capum321> draxdeveloper: did you find the correct download?
[23:28] <bcx> Why do I get NO_PUBKEY errors with some PPAs (but not all) ? and How could I preventively get the 16 chars hash from ppa.launchpad.com ?
[23:29] <draxdeveloper> capum321, looking here
[23:29] <Guest4130> Jordan_U: if "ASP" is found in any file name i want an executable to run with certain arguments otherwise it runs with different arguments. I just want to run an executable on a bunch of files and check their outputs.
[23:29] <draxdeveloper> installing
[23:30] <Jordan_U> Guest4130: Are you intentionally not telling me your end goal or do you not understand my request?
[23:30] <capum321> Mitchell92: how you manage to do it?
[23:31] <Guest4130> Jordan_U: I think I dont understand what you are asking from me
[23:31] <draxdeveloper> capum321, i got this one xserver-xorg-input-evdev_2.10.1-1ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[23:31] <draxdeveloper> i have a 64 bits system
[23:31] <capum321> no, i don't think this is it
[23:33] <monsterco> what kind of storage should i use to be able to share it with other containers when i am using LXC?
[23:33] <Jordan_U> Guest4130: I can write a script that checks mp3 metadata agaimst a certain regex after mounting a samba share but my end goal would be "find all balkan music in my library for an upcoming balkan dance party".
[23:33] <Mitchell92> capum321, I hve comcast / xfinity, and they by default set the network names to HOME-something, mine was HOME-1ED0-5 and HOME-1ED0-24 and I think I clicked the wrong one for 5GHZ... I can see all of my neighbors, all HOME-xxx-5 and HOME-xxx24 and a neighbor had one listed as HOME-1ED*something*-5
[23:33] <Mitchell92> I probably clicked the wrong one for that network
[23:34] <bprompt> Guest4130:   Jordan_U  is asking, not what you're doing or want to do in the script, but, why are you making the script in the first place, what are you trying to achieve?   I mean, pretty sure you didn't wake up this morning and just decided to write it beause some epiphany
[23:34] <capum321> draxdeveloper: where you get this .deb file?
[23:34] <Jordan_U> Guest4130: I will be away for a few hours. #bash can likely help, but they will also probably want an end goal and a simplified test case.
[23:34] <capum321> draxdeveloper: can't find it
[23:34] <draxdeveloper> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev
[23:34] <draxdeveloper> just expanded xenial xerius
[23:35] <draxdeveloper> capum321, it's on the bottom
[23:35] <Guest4130> Jordan_U: bprompt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/18201273/ This is my entire script. Bits and pieces I got from internet. End goal would be execute a command on all files in a particular folder with arguments for command differing wrt file names.
[23:36] <capum321> draxdeveloper: ok i found
[23:36] <capum321> draxdeveloper: listen, what are we searching for?
[23:36] <capum321> isn't the source?
[23:36] <draxdeveloper> capum321, yes
[23:36] <capum321> draxdeveloper: so it isn't a deb file
[23:36] <capum321> draxdeveloper: instead of expand, click on xenial xerus
[23:36] <draxdeveloper> capum321, tar.gz?
[23:38] <capum321> xserver-xorg-input-evdev_2.10.1.orig.tar.gz to be precise
[23:38] <bprompt> Guest4130:      hmm you may want to check out #bash as Jordan_U  said, "processing all files in a folder for names", you don't need a script for that, grep does all that already, so clearly is not your end goal, anyhow, the guys at #bash wouild ask the same
[23:39] <draxdeveloper> capum321, ok. I will try and see if it's works
[23:39] <Duckboot> Halp!
[23:39] <Duckboot> Lost my /var/lib/dpkg after a faulty filesystem
[23:39] <Duckboot> I have recovered most by using /var/backupos
[23:40] <Duckboot> but now I have lots of packages in dpkg --audit
[23:40] <Duckboot> How to proceed?
[23:40] <Duckboot> (Missing packages - Need to reinstall)
[23:41] <lerner> how do I change a directory recursively? chown albert:albert directory just changed the directory...
[23:41] <lerner> aherm...
[23:41] <lerner> how do I change a directory's permissions recursively? chown albert:albert directory just changed the directory...
[23:42] <Duckboot> -R
[23:42] <bprompt> lerner:   use the -R for chown, to make it recursive
[23:42] <lerner> chown albert:albert -R directory ?
[23:42] <dax> chown -R albert:albert directory
[23:43] <capum321> chown --help
[23:43] <lerner> ok, many thanks!!
[23:43] <capum321> for usage
[23:43] <Duckboot> Anyone with dpkg-foo?
[23:43] <Duckboot> Lost my /var/lib/dpkg after a faulty filesystem
[23:43] <Duckboot> I have recovered most by using /var/backups
[23:43] <Duckboot> but now I have lots of packages in dpkg --audit
[23:43] <Duckboot> How to proceed?
[23:43] <Duckboot> (Missing packages - Need to reinstall)
[23:44] <capum321> duckboot have you looked google?
[23:44] <Duckboot> capum321: Yeap
[23:44] <Duckboot> But most solution I find is for 1 or 2 missing packages.
[23:44] <bprompt> Duckboot:     sudo apt-get install -f;    # to fetch any needed dependencies and configure any packages
[23:44] <Duckboot> I have like 100 or so
[23:45] <Duckboot> This is not dependencies
[23:45] <capum321> build-dep?
[23:46] <kulelu88> is there a way to recursively copy files from 1 folder to another on the commandline?
[23:46] <Duckboot> Nope - As I stated, I have lost my /var/lib/dpkg due to a fsck gone haywire
[23:46] <james_> i don't have any terminals because the boot messages aren't cleared
[23:47] <capum321> kulelu88: cp --help
[23:47] <bprompt> kulelu88:    didn't we cover that about 45mins ago?
[23:47] <capum321> haha
[23:47] <kulelu88> bprompt: I am trying another way to copy the files now. the problem was the *.deb issue
[23:47] <capum321> i get this, there is a point your brain just throttle anymore
[23:48] <capum321> don't throttle*
[23:48] <Duckboot> root@chinook:~# dpkg --audit
[23:48] <Duckboot> The following packages are missing the list control file in the
[23:48] <Duckboot> database, they need to be reinstalled:
[23:48] <Duckboot> ....
[23:48] <Duckboot> And lots of packages
[23:48] <Duckboot> follows
[23:48] <james_> duckboot, please use a pastebin for a long list or lots of output
[23:49] <draxdeveloper> capum321, http://pastebin.com/dGrkNGCa
[23:49] <james_> http://pastebin.com
[23:49] <capum321> duckboot from internet or from local?
[23:49] <james_> duckboot is a user on this channel.
[23:49] <draxdeveloper> i have xorg-server, but the here is server-xorg
[23:50] <capum321> draxdeveloper: install those packages too
[23:50] <nyk2005> What could explain this behaviour: "import pgdb" in python ALWAYS takes 2 seconds, as if the hdd was very slow AND there was no caching. What can cause this in ubuntu 16 server on a machine with fast cpus and lots of ram and fast hdd?
[23:50] <draxdeveloper> capum321, but like i said. I have xorg-server. But the name here is server-xorg
[23:51] <Duckboot> capum321: http://pastebin.com/AwRTArSR
[23:51] <nyk2005> (pgdb is just an example, also other command like things take long, this is just what I would use)
[23:51] <Duckboot> james_: ^
[23:51] <bprompt> !server | nyk2005
[23:52] <capum321> draxdeveloper: the name server-xorg here? where?
[23:52] <Duckboot> capum321: This is a VM at an unnamed ISP which is going to loose 1 customer today because no backup of their SAN!
[23:54] <nyk2005> bprompt: what about it should help?
[23:54] <draxdeveloper> capum321, found almost everything. now just have to found libevdev
[23:55] <capum321> Duckboot: http://askubuntu.com/questions/50622/how-to-reinstall-many-removed-packages-at-once
[23:56] <capum321> draxdeveloper: how you manage to resolve xorg-server?
[23:58] <capum321> Duckboot: as I thought you should use awk
[23:58] <Duckboot> capum321: Nope - That is for installing recently removed packages. On my system the packages still are present, but the dpkg-database is out of sync.
[23:59] <Duckboot> capum321: But I see you point. Use awk too make a list
[23:59] <Duckboot> I probs must go down that road
[23:59] <Duckboot> (Just hoped there was an easier way)


[01:03] <christin00> helo @ll
[01:04] <christin00> i have problem with install game[im noode]  ;/
[01:04] <christin00> when i tried and wrote make i had : c:56 and c:52
[01:05] <christin00> :[
[02:07] <nothlit_> its funny, everybody who needs help here leaves really quickly
[02:08] <gnomefreak> nothlit: this isnt a help channel :)
[02:09] <nothlit> gnomefreak: it is when there aren't classes :P
[02:09] <gnomefreak> no it still isnt
[02:10] <nothlit> it is, people use this for extra long help
[02:10] <gnomefreak> this channel is used for when people need extensive help on a problem
[02:10] <nothlit> more involved procedures
[02:12] <nothlit> but there were people that were helped here and had to go, then came back and always left before someone could answer
[09:59] <DerXero`migraene> soo... bis sonntag abend nicht zuhause


[03:13] <coryc> tgm4883: when I go to Mythbuntu Control Centre -> Repositories and activate the Mythbuntu Updates repository it creates the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mythbuntu-testing-trusty.list file with the following:
[03:13] <coryc> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/testing/ubuntu trusty main
[03:13] <coryc> # deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/testing/ubuntu trusty main
[03:13] <coryc> which when I try to apt-get update I get:
[03:13] <coryc> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/testing/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[03:13] <coryc> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/testing/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[03:16] <coryc> when I uncheck "Activate Mythbuntu Updates repository" it empties out the mythbuntu-testing-trusty.list file but the mythbuntu-0_27-trusty.list file still has:
[03:16] <coryc> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/0.27/ubuntu trusty main
[03:16] <coryc> # deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/0.27/ubuntu trusty main


[08:07] <sivang> SteveA: mornin
[08:20] <sivang> SteveA: you probably know about this, ut I'll paste just in case - http://www.zope.org/Members/tseaver/Zelenium/Zelenium-0.8/README.txt
[08:21] <sivang> SteveA: (re our discussions about integrating ajax and pagetests)
[09:07] <SteveA> hi sivan
[09:07] <SteveA> thanks.  cool, isn't it?
[09:15] <sivang> SteveA: very much,  although I wonder why I can't just "record" the tests through the selenium browser control rather then the instructions there with tcpwatch. I recall from what I played with it, that is has the recording facility from the selenium web page.
[09:15] <sivang> s/web page/web interface/


[03:30] <woli> hi
[03:30] <woli> look, this is the thing
[03:30] <Jack_Sparrow> Hey
[03:30] <woli> i want to install ubuntu in my brand new vista system
[03:30] <woli> but it comes with a lot of small partitions
[03:31] <woli> well 3, but thats still too much for a brand new system
[03:31] <woli> and i want to know which partitions could I wipe out.
[03:31] <woli> do you have vista?
[03:31] <Jack_Sparrow> so the first problem is the 4 primary partition limit.
[03:31] <woli> is there one actually?
[03:31] <Jack_Sparrow> you will need to create an extended partition and create logicals inside that
[03:32] <woli> oh i want that
[03:32] <Jack_Sparrow> no I dont use vista.. and I wont let my frineds do vista
[03:32] <woli> but there goes my other problem, the os partition, which occupies the 90% of the hdd is not inside the extended...
[03:32] <woli> if i want to resize it, i need to turn off the 'round to cylinders option
[03:32] <Jack_Sparrow> how big is the extennnded and what is on it now
[03:32] <woli> i dont know what that is, and if its evil or if its not
[03:33] <Jack_Sparrow> woli, best to break partitions on cylinder boundaries
[03:33] <woli> the extended is 2,50GB big and only a fat partition called MEDIA DIRECT is on it...
[03:33] <Jack_Sparrow> how big is the extended and what is on it now
[03:33] <woli> that
[03:34] <Jack_Sparrow> 2.5 gig   extended only
[03:34] <woli> yes...
[03:34] <woli> my hdd is 500 gb big..
[03:34] <woli> is it a big problem?
[03:34] <Jack_Sparrow> 2.5 gig extended is worthless
[03:35] <woli> it is
[03:35] <woli> i can resize it, can't i?
[03:35] <Jack_Sparrow> make sure it has nothing you need.. and delete it   and the extended, then resize your vista partition
[03:35] <woli> what happens if i turn the 'round to cylinders option' off?
[03:35] <Jack_Sparrow> then crerate a new extended with two ext3 and one swap
[03:36] <Jack_Sparrow> woli, why are you needing to do that
[03:36] <woli> i am an order freak..
[03:37] <Jack_Sparrow> not a good idea.. you will waste space
[03:37] <woli> will i?
[03:37] <woli> well, i managed to do it rounding cylinders... i just unchecked it and checked it again... it worked...
[03:37] <Jack_Sparrow> defrag vista, twice... before you resize
[03:37] <woli> the problem is now i have 3 unallocated separate partitions
[03:37] <woli> ok i will...
[03:38] <woli> do i still need to, even when being able to do it rounding to cylinders?
[03:39] <Jack_Sparrow> use gparted .. the gparted livecd would be my choice but you can run it from ubuntu livecd, there are occasionally issues whickh is why I use the standalone gparted
[03:39] <Jack_Sparrow> woli, on a new system I doubt you need to defrag, but safer to do it.. twice
[03:39] <woli> well, i am in the live session, with gpa7rted
[03:40] <woli> but ok, i will return with defraing done...
[03:40] <Jack_Sparrow> Ok, so you have the basics of what you need
[03:40] <woli> i will just erase the recovery partition, or should i leave it for now?
[03:40] <Jack_Sparrow> I will NOT be here
[03:40] <woli> you will not?
[03:40] <Jack_Sparrow> leave the recovery partition
[03:40] <woli> Jack_Sparrow: why?
[03:41] <Jack_Sparrow> I told You I was leaving and could only give you a couple minutes
[03:41] <woli> look, i will only use vista for games and other software
[03:41] <woli> ok, ill look for somebody else then
[03:41] <Jack_Sparrow> leave the recovery partition..
[03:41] <Jack_Sparrow> goodnight
[09:06] <somaunn> hello guys
[17:08] <daredevilthere> Hey all


[02:48] <guiverc> I just tried to explain the Ubuntu *year.month* format (easy, 20.04) with point release (additional .9 where the 9 represents the update status of a system (eg. currently 20.04.1 is the status).  The 9 makes sense to me; it's a PIC 9(1) value... but what would people use instead of my "9"
[02:49]  * guiverc ponders that no-one here may understand my PIC 9 ref, or if they do, won't admit it :)
[02:49] <daftykins> drawing a blank here! also don't quite get the 9 at all :>
[02:49] <daftykins> unless we're saying that's the max value for a sub release of an LTS
[02:50] <guiverc> PIC 9 being shorthand for "PICTURE IS 9."  ... defining a value in COBOL
[02:51] <guiverc> I was a mainframe programmer long ago.. sometimes my mind returns & gets stuck there.. how would you describe the year.month.9 bit.. year.month.upgrade-level maybe
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:00] <guiverc> lotuspsychje, I suggest these edits on your discouse post https://pad.ubuntu.com/BlcFJrbAaU   (I'm assuming you can access pad; it allows for my changes to show colored).  suggestions only  (doesn't mean it's better)
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: says openID requiered
[04:03] <guiverc> yeah, then it takes me to login to my Ubuntu SSO, which I can access b/c of locoteams, ubuntu-etherpad, ubuntu-members..  do you not have access?
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> got a launchpad, but doesnt let me in so it seems
[04:06] <guiverc> :(  hold on
[04:11] <guiverc> try https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTagT2HFjYUU8uYWKYGZH7jhxU38oCXoiO4IGpNrRt92hY38ADGjvHQjBdx2XPj6_s5lsKwIgR-Rjmy/pub   (in gdoc.. missing the color of changes, will add)
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: want me to copy paste this in my original thread to show colours, is that it?
[04:15] <guiverc> no the color was there only with the intention of seeing my suggested changes
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: changes? i dont see what you mean mate
[04:18] <guiverc> addition of a few \n's (line breaks) .. s/as much bugs/as many bugs/  (i changed 'much' to 'many') so 'any' will be green; at least my intention
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> oh, you perfectionized it, i must be blind lol
[04:21] <guiverc> it was done in pad.ubuntu.com; colors show edits.. I've tried to replicate them in gdoc copy..   they are suggestions only
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: arghh, in discourse; sorry, new users can only post 2 urls in a thread :p
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> im too discourse noob lol
[04:23] <guiverc> you only have 2 URLS , you don't need to change any urls.. it was minor text edits only i suggested (unless I made errors)
[04:23] <guiverc> I feel like a discourse newbie still... and I shouldn't !
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: copy pasting your pad, makes it forward all links to pad also hence why
[04:24] <guiverc> Can't you just edit the few changes you agree with?
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> i could yeah
[04:26] <guiverc> (I'd don't have mod powers so can't edit for you on that discourse)
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: well it would be easier if you hand me a straight text i can copy paste ofc
[04:30] <guiverc> try https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gntyn5kFzF/
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/the-ubuntu-pre-debug-team/19132
[04:31] <guiverc> thanks :) looks good
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> great, and thank you!
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> you can spread that on UWN too if that fits
[04:33] <guiverc> it was working on UWN that made me do the (suggested) edits..
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> great guiverc, editing the post brought it back up the recent threads hehe
[04:36] <guiverc> :)
[07:04] <ducasse> good morning
[11:35] <ap4lmtree> hi
[11:36] <Maik> ap4lmtree: Mint is based on Ubuntu so almost the same
[11:36] <Maik> there are other Ubuntu flavors you can choose from
[11:36] <Maik> if you don't like Gnome that is
[11:37] <Maik> ap4lmtree: https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours
[11:40] <Maik> ap4lmtree: so you can choose from LXQt, Xfce, KDE, Budgie and MATE
[11:40] <Maik> as DE
[11:40] <ap4lmtree> i can choose debian, ubuntu, mint, gentoo
[11:40] <ap4lmtree> i guess i have to do ubuntu with some de
[11:41] <ap4lmtree> the default de for ubuntu is gnome?
[11:41] <Maik> yes as i told you already
[11:41] <ap4lmtree> what do you think about gentoo
[11:42] <Maik> if you're new then i would pick one distro, stick to it and learn the basics first
[11:42] <Maik> gentoo is not for noobs
[11:42] <ap4lmtree> i have been around since early 90s
[11:42] <ap4lmtree> i use windows a host, i use differnet linux as in vm or as a second desktop. i am simply doing my main desktop os change and not windows host anymore
[11:43] <Deano59> ap4lmtree: gentoo is hard for first time linux users. just stick with xubuntu or lubuntu.
[11:43] <Maik> then what's your problem, choose what you want on go for it.
[11:43] <ap4lmtree> early 90s means i edit text file for slackware linux
[11:43] <ap4lmtree> and i use obsd , fbsd, and nbsd
[11:43] <Deano59> lol we're going in circles.
[11:43] <ap4lmtree> i mean edit text file to compile slackware kernel
[11:43] <Maik> have fun, need to go. Bbl
[11:44] <ap4lmtree> i had this yellow book, it said stuff like how to edit kernel file, then you mess with it off and on until you get kernel right
[11:44] <ap4lmtree> pre 2000 i think, linux did not have out of box gui  xorg or server or so
[11:45] <ap4lmtree> it would start from just cli   and then you do lots of work to make it graphical
[11:45] <ap4lmtree> now it is just you installl and you get click click stuff
[11:45] <ap4lmtree> so, i am not asking if it hard. i am asking in what is most for future and stuff
[11:45] <ap4lmtree> i am thinking about what is competitive with macos stuff
[11:45] <ap4lmtree> bc that is more future than windows, which is why i am quiting windows
[11:46] <ap4lmtree> early 90s, redhat was not a corporation and private and stuff. it was major competitor of slackware
[11:47] <ap4lmtree> i remember redhat ipo coming out
[11:57] <ap4lmtree> back then, you wouldn't download linux. you would get it from slckware linux book or you would order some linux via mail order cheapbytes  in northern california
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> !who | ap4lmtree
[11:59] <ap4lmtree> i talked about how you would have to mail order linux after someone tells me some linux is "hard"
[11:59] <ap4lmtree> then someone tells schools me on how to use irc
[11:59] <ap4lmtree> lol
[11:59] <ap4lmtree> i really really need to learn how to use irc
[11:59] <ap4lmtree> wow
[11:59] <ap4lmtree> lol
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> ap4lmtree: lets avoid long monolgues and try to have a real discussion when someone wants to reply with you
[16:38] <lapion> I finally found out what the reason was for having to reinstall ubuntu up to 10 times until I decided to manually fix the unbootable system by using a second partition to recreate the initrd and grub.
[16:39] <lapion> The reason the system would not boot on first try each time was /usr merge..
[16:46] <tomreyn> if you read releas enotes, you could blame them for not mentioning the /usr merge, and file a documentation bug about it.
[16:46] <tomreyn> i think this was most likely missed
[16:48] <tomreyn> why did this make you need to reinstall, though - just out of interest? i mean, what's the very paart where this broke something for you?
[16:49] <daftykins> surely you'd change something after the 5th try too ;)
[16:57] <lapion> tomreyn each time the system started up to a non workable system
[16:58] <lapion> due to some installation quirk the initrd was not correctly configured and so at the first boot the system ended up with a system without binaries..
[16:59] <mgedmin> if you want a separate /usr partition, you need to make sure the initrd mounts it
[17:00] <mgedmin> I somehow thought ubuntu's update-initramfs made sure of that?
[17:00] <mgedmin> eh, linux gives you the freedom to break anything you want
[17:08] <lapion> That's just the thing I wasn't using a separate partition however druing the install something went wrong with the initrd so the system could not boot
[17:08] <mgedmin> huh
[17:09] <lapion> would only boot to a rescue shell untill the initrd got reinstalled by chroot-method
[17:15] <tomreyn> i haven't heard of anyone else reporting this, which makes me assume that you must have used some kind of customization. or maybe your installer was corrupt.
[17:18] <tomreyn> "something went wrong with the initrd so the system could not boot" is not too specific, though (i know it's not so easy to debug this)