[00:01] <goatius> hey all
[00:01] <goatius> i am on my fresh install of ubuntu 14.04
[00:02] <goatius> i got my pci-e sound card working but the mic is apparently a bit quiet for others, any suggestions for mic boost?
[00:02] <goatius> hello
[00:03] <dkorras1> did anyone respond?
[00:03] <goatius> nope
[00:04] <goatius> anyone active in here?
[00:05] <goatius> anyone active on here?
[00:05] <KenB> Question.  If I install Ubuntu on an ARB based system, can I then install all the regular apps that Ubuntu has to offer such as Eclipse?
[00:06] <goatius> i am not sure anyone is really active on here
[00:06] <goatius> but i am new so i don't know
[00:06] <KenB> I'm not familiar with chat.  thanks goatius.
[00:07] <goatius> KenB, i had a question about mic boost, think you could help?
[00:07] <KenB> I'll give it a shot.
[00:07] <goatius> i am on my fresh install of ubuntu 14.04 and i am pretty new to linux
[00:07] <goatius> i got my pci-e sound card working but the mic is apparently a bit quiet
[00:07] <goatius> any idea how to get the mic louder?
[00:08] <goatius> the alsamixer mic boost isn't there
[00:08] <RaMcHiP> in
[00:08] <KenB> so you've been to system settings
[00:09] <goatius> yes, the sound settings i've looked at too
[00:09] <_Sigma_> hey, im having an issue with mpich2 on a cluster of ubuntu computers. is this the right room to be in?
[00:09] <KenB> sorry.
[00:09] <goatius> i'd love to help but i'm pretty new...
[00:09] <goatius> looks like nobody is really active on here
[00:09] <Monotoko> _Sigma_ - I'd say #ubuntu-server
[00:09] <_Sigma_> ok thanks
[00:10] <KenB> perhaps there may be a specific channel we should each be using.
[00:10] <goatius> perhaps
[00:10] <Monotoko> goatius - people are generally active on here, but it's Saturday night
[00:11] <KenB> goatius, did you check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[00:12] <dkorras1> hi all, can anyone please help me setup ifplugd so that it boots to eth0 and when the network cable is unplugged switch to wlan0 and vice versa
[00:13] <Monotoko> _Sigma_ - wouldn't mpich2's support be better?
[00:13] <KenBer> tt
[00:15] <mariorz> hey anyone know why a udev rule would not match for ID_USB_INTERFACE_NUM in 12.04?
[00:15] <mariorz> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1437794.html
[00:15] <mariorz> even though udevadm info says the decide has a matching ID_USB_INTERFACE_NUM
[00:15] <mariorz> the device*
[00:15] <_Sigma_> Monotoko: yeah but i dont know if they have a channel. i cant find my issue in their doccumentation
[00:16] <ddoom_> stupid question, is there a command lstat?
[00:16] <Monotoko> ddoom_ - there is
[00:16] <Monotoko> man lstat
[00:18] <ddoom_> Monotoko: command or only c function? question is becaue when I $ lstat     I get command not found
[00:23] <keir> is there any way to make the gnome terminal copy to the primary buffer on select? if i have to hit "Ctrl-C" to copy in a terminal i will explode
[00:24] <Daghdha> bye bye cruel world
[00:25] <Vivekananda> hey everyone. I partitioned a fresh  new computer C ( only drive) in three parts. now the C works fine . I have a ubuntu live cd and want to create a disk image of the partition and save it
[00:25] <Vivekananda> can someone tell me
[00:26] <Monotoko> Vivekananda - you want a disk image of the partition?
[00:26] <Monotoko> what do you mean?
[00:26] <Monotoko> and... as you can tell, Freenode is under a DDoS right now
[00:28] <z1haze2> can someone please help me with a shell script? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7718912/ i dont know whats wrong with it but im getting a weird unknown option error
[00:28] <z1haze2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7718933/
[00:30] <trism> z1haze2: those ” quotes look wrong if nothing else, instead of "
[00:30] <sadpuppy> there all dead jim
[00:30] <z1haze2> alright
[00:30] <keir> Is it just me ore is the following behaviour broken in Ubuntu 14.04: Open a terminal. Select some text with RMB. Middle-click to paste. Expected: Paste happens. Actual behaviour: Pastes whatever was in the primary buffer (not what was selected)
[00:30] <mariorz> l
[00:31] <Beldar> Vivekananda, get a clonezilla iso and put it on a usb or burn it and clone those partitions to an external HD. C means windows partitions linux is sdXX
[00:33] <Beldar> Vivekananda, http://clonezilla.org/
[00:33] <fabricio_> oi
[00:34] <mariorz> anyone know if there is a timeout for programs executed with udev rules?
[00:34] <x_root> fabricio_, #ubuntu-br :D
[00:35] <Beldar> !away > away
[00:36] <x_root> any channel for ubuntu phone?
[00:37] <rsw> hey all.  running 12.04, will using update-manager provide most recent versions of libraries and shared resources (same as 14.04)?
[00:37] <Beldar> x_root, #ubuntu-touch
[00:37] <rww> rsw: No. Ubuntu does not upgrade to new major versions of packages after release, with some exceptions.
[00:37] <x_root> thanks Beldar
[00:37] <Beldar> x_root, np
[00:38] <rsw> well, specifically, does the acroread version 9 program run in 12.04?
[00:39] <Beldar> rsw, I have it installed all the way to utopic
[00:42] <rsw> netsplits strike anyone else as violent?
[00:43] <SchrodingersScat> rsw: rocky net-seas
[00:43] <Beldar> never see them here, hehe
[00:44] <tux_> Hi, i installed Linux Mint on my older machine, was ok, wlan card worked etc. I thought to then though try Ubuntu 14.04... Installed fine but wlan card not recognized and i have no cable. Why is this? Why does Mint work on this but Ubuntu does not?
[00:45] <rsw> i might be mistaken, does mint not ship with some proprietary and closed-source software like drivers and codecs, while ubuntu typically uses only generic and libre-licensed stuff?
[00:45] <Vivekananda> did I misss someting ?
[00:46] <Vivekananda> Monotoko: sorry got dc . guess I missed something
[00:46] <Beldar> tux_, Mints original thang was a few drivers loaded on installs.
[00:46] <Beldar> few more*
[00:47] <Beldar> Vivekananda, Yeah Elvis stopped by while you were gone.
[00:47] <tux_> Well, so i can't install Ubuntu then? As they are for only these "generic" non-propriatery stuff?
[00:47] <Vivekananda> hahah okay but help me out everyone. I have a ubuntu live cd and I am hoping to use it to create an image of a partition
[00:47] <Beldar> tux_, No you have to do the work, those drivers are available for anyone
[00:48] <tux_> why would i choose to do more work than necessary?
[00:48] <rsw> you could attempt to install the driver yourself, tux_, if tinkering doesnt appeal to you then mint is certainly the best choice concerning your old machine
[00:48] <Beldar> Vivekananda, Use a regular cloner like clonezilla they have a iso to burn for booting, there are a handful out there.
[00:48] <tux_> i'd really like Ubuntu... but i can't have it.
[00:49] <tux_> Mint installed and recognized all ok.
[00:49] <Beldar> tux_, Tell people who care golly. ;)
[00:49] <tux_> golly? what is that?
[00:50] <Beldar> sarcasm
[00:50] <Vivekananda> Beldar: I already have a usb flash drive which has a live ubuntu. I am trying to use it to create a bback up of a windows installed partition. how do I do that ?
[00:50] <rsw> tux_: i care, and might not get much like in saying this, mint is probably a superior distribution compatibility-wise
[00:50] <sadpuppy> god protects you
[00:50] <sadpuppy> lol
[00:50] <Beldar> Vivekananda, Not an ideal setup for cloning.
[00:50] <tux_> thanks, rsw
[00:50] <SchrodingersScat> tux_: seems you haven't really investigated what steps you would even have to take.
[00:50] <tux_> i go for Mint then
[00:51] <meetai1> Hello - need to install Ubuntu on a headless, keyboardless computer, without physical network, but with a usb wifi stick.
[00:51] <Beldar> rsw, That is an opinion and pure fud
[00:51] <tux_> i don't want to take any steps, as i noticed that Mint did all automatically.
[00:51] <Beldar> This is linux get used to doing some work
[00:51] <rsw> Beldar: if it ships with drivers ubuntu excludes, yet includes everything ubuntu includes...
[00:52] <tux_> Beldar, Mint is Linux too... and it's all automatical. Why would i choose more work?
[00:52] <Beldar> rsw, means nothing that is a dichotomy and a weak one at that, dichotomies do not exist in  the real world.
[00:53] <jefimenko> does anyone know if 14.04 generates an initrd that runs "btrfs dev scan"
[00:53] <Beldar> tux_, YOU seem to think any one cares here this is support not twitter
[00:53] <jefimenko> i tried setting up 14.04 to boot from a btrfs w/ two disks in raid1. it goes straight to busybox on startup after adding the second disk.
[00:53] <tux_> Beldar: sorry, i'm not trying to be negative. Just asked.
[00:53] <Carom> Hello!
[00:54] <Carom> Good evening :)
[00:54] <jefimenko> the guys in #btrfs said it will work if initrd does a btrfs dev scan
[00:54] <picko> Hello - need to install Ubuntu 12 on a headless, keyboardless computer, without physical network, but with a usb wifi stick.
[00:54] <tux_> I will return to try Ubuntu in few years time, when all works like in Mint.
[00:54] <tux_> i think it's a matter of time.
[00:54] <Beldar> Carom, no greetings needed, do you have a support issue. ;)
[00:54] <picko> anyone knows how?
[00:55] <picko> have been looking the guides
[00:55] <picko> difficult to say if its possible
[00:55] <picko> ideally
[00:55] <picko> Hello - need to install Ubuntu on a headless, keyboardless computer, without physical network, but with a usb wifi stick.
[00:55] <picko> ups
[00:55] <picko> ideally would be to install on VirtualBox first
[00:55] <picko> then move it to the real hardward
[00:55] <picko> anyone have experience on this?
[00:56] <picko> The ubuntu version I have now is Server v12
[00:57] <picko> the thing was: need to install Ubuntu on a headless, keyboardless computer, without physical network, but with a usb wifi stick.
[00:59] <jefimenko> how can i find out if my initrd runs btrfs dev scan
[00:59] <Carom> PLEASE, Someone here uses the UBUNTU PHONE ??? I wanna change my Android... I have a Note 2 N7100. Thx a lot
[00:59] <Beldar> !touch | Carom
[01:00] <Carom> Sorry!  Thanks !!!
[01:01] <Carom> Oh, have a channel for the ubuntu touch ? I already read this site but don't help enough
[01:01] <rsw> Carom: #ubuntu-touch
[01:01] <Vivekananda> Beldar: did  not get you
[01:02] <Beldar> jefimenko, Just a guess but make sure you are booting from the same disc as you were.
[01:02] <Carom> THANKS !  Good lucky for all
[01:02] <jefimenko> i still am
[01:02] <Beldar> Vivekananda, A ubuntu disc is not an ideal cloning disc, it is for installing, there are that are.
[01:02] <picko> ok, anywhere were I could look info on my issue?
[01:03] <picko> need to install Ubuntu on a headless, keyboardless computer, without physical network, but with a usb wifi stick.
[01:03] <Vivekananda> Beldar: okay . is there a wya that I can install an app on the flash drive disk itself that can create such an image ?
[01:04] <Beldar> Vivekananda, I have given you info to use, that is it for me.
[01:04] <Vivekananda> you mean clonezilla ?
[01:05] <Beldar> Vivekananda, Yes that is one, there ones specifically for windows and free, some make a mirror that is easily accessible.
[01:05] <picko> would it be possible to install first on VirtualBox and then move the hdd to the hardware?
[01:07] <pythonista> I am trying to copy a folder, but cannot seem to preserve the correct permissions. http://askubuntu.com/questions/461403/copying-folder-while-preserving-permissions-ownership-error-operation-not-permi
[01:07] <Beldar> Vivekananda, You want to get used to doing some research, this is easy info to find. ;)
[01:08] <sveinse> What do I need to do to install 14.04 on /dev/sda2, when /dev/sda1 contains 12.04 and grub2 is installed there? Omit bootloader config in the installer and manually edit grub?
[01:08] <picko> my main concern is with the wifi
[01:08] <picko> because its the only way to connect to the machine
[01:08] <picko> I would need to create an ad-hoc connection, as I don't have a router
[01:10] <Beldar> sveinse, Do you have a preference for which install has the grub control?
[01:11] <causative> what's the problem, sveinse ? what happens if you try to install it to there?
[01:11] <Elengil> well, i have to say im surprised...
[01:11] <Beldar> sveinse, In other words which will when a grub-update is run modify the grub boot menu.
[01:11] <picko> hi guys, anyone: need to install Ubuntu on a headless, keyboardless computer, without physical network, but with a usb wifi stick.
[01:11] <sveinse> causative: haven't tried it yet. in case there is something I need to ensure prior to the second ubuntu installation
[01:12] <Elengil> ubuntu setup somehow created a 55.5GB "instalation.iso" file on a usb stick...
[01:12] <Beldar> Elengil, It does not happen that way.
[01:12] <usr13> Elengil: Cool
[01:12] <Elengil> im still unsure what the hell i did to do that...
[01:12] <sadpuppy> god protects you
[01:12] <sadpuppy> lol
[01:13] <Elengil> Beldar, it did...
[01:13] <Elengil> i can send you the file if you like...
[01:13] <usr13> Elengil: How?
[01:13] <Beldar> Elengil, Lets get on the same page, is this a iso loaded to the usb with an app?
[01:13] <pythonista> How do I copy a folder while preserving permissions and ownership? http://askubuntu.com/questions/461403/copying-folder-while-preserving-permissions-ownership-error-operation-not-permi
[01:14] <causative> sveinse, I think it should be okay to just do an install to sda2
[01:14] <usr13> pythonista: sudo
[01:14] <picko> pythonista, can you check the permissions on source and then just apply them again?
[01:14] <Elengil> Beldar, it was with the "alternative" boot option in the offical install app
[01:15] <usr13> pythonista: cp -p
[01:15] <causative> you might want to back up the mbr first (dd if=/dev/sda of=mbrbackup.iso bs=512 count=1)
[01:15] <sveinse> causative: Yeah. My question is in line of: There will now be installed a /boot on /dev/sda2 as well. Won't then the two grubs be competing over installing themselves over the MBR
[01:15] <pythonista> picko: that also fails (see the link for what I tried)
[01:16] <Beldar> Elengil, what is the alternative boot option?
[01:16] <Elengil> im almost afraid to think about what it would have done if i had been using the 2 TB external i was intending to use for media storage...
[01:16] <causative> well first sveinse I'm not sure it will install a second grub, it might ask you if you want to...
[01:16] <usr13> pythonista: What is the filesystem of the partition newpath is on?
[01:16] <causative> but even if it does that doesn't seem like a problem
[01:16] <causative> the mbr would just point to the second grub instead of the first, so the first would be inactive
[01:17] <pythonista> usr13: file starts on ext4 and goes to fat32
[01:17] <Elengil> Beldar, when trying to install ubuntu, it game me an option to either just reboot and hope it loaded (it hasnt so far) or to try an "alternative" boot method...
[01:17] <Beldar> causative, YOu are guessing I asked this user pertinent questions, and they are following you as it seems understandable.
[01:17] <usr13> pythonista: There is  your problem.
[01:17] <Beldar> Elengil, a Wubi?
[01:18] <Elengil> sadly yes...
[01:18] <sveinse> causative: No, it does not. And grub2 has some os detect script in it, so perhaps it finds the first ubuntu automatically. Let's go ahead and try!
[01:18] <pythonista> usr13: I have nothing on the second drive, do I need to reformat it?
[01:18] <usr13> pythonista: You know about fat32, right?  You know the differences between ext4 and fat32?
[01:18] <pythonista> usr13: Not exactly
[01:18] <usr13> pythonista: Yes, (if you want permissions and ownership preserved).
[01:18] <Elengil> i know it has issues, but this result surprised even me...
[01:19] <Beldar> Elengil, A wubi has a max of 40 gigs, and is a bad idea, not supported just per the developers words a try out install towards a dual boot if you like it.
[01:19] <usr13> pythonista: But if the fat32 disk is not a perminate place for the data, don't bother.
[01:19] <Beldar> Elengil, That be a user error bro.
[01:19] <pythonista> usr13: it will be the permanent place for the data
[01:20] <Elengil> all i did was tell it to try the alternative (since the normal one didnt seem to be working) and let it play itself out
[01:20] <usr13> *parmanent* Thanks for correction.
[01:20] <Beldar> Elengil, What is your end goal?
[01:21] <Elengil> um, a media center, for doing basic stuffs on a pc connected to the family tv
[01:21] <Beldar> Elengil, This computer havd a HDMI port?
[01:21] <Beldar> have*
[01:21] <usr13> Elengil: raspberry-pi?
[01:22] <Elengil> not quite that techy here usr13 :P
[01:22] <Elengil> and trying to repurpose a moderately older pc...
[01:23] <usr13> Elengil: Cool
[01:23] <Elengil> and was planning on using a usb to hdmi converter (which is listed as linux compatible)
[01:24] <usr13> Elengil: Good project.   I'd like to put them into the /pool tree on the usb stick
[01:36] <whitepowder> When do they get deleted?
[01:36] <vrement> hey hey hey... just one question: Trisquel (fully open source and free, gratis Linux OS) recognized my broadcom wlan, Ubuntu does not! How can this be?
[01:37] <dotDeb> vrenent that is very strange
[01:37] <dotDeb> though stallman would be very happy :P
[01:37] <whitepowder> That lunatic is still alive?
[01:37] <Omega9> vrement: loadable kernel module
[01:38] <dotDeb> whitepowder very much so
[01:38] <whitepowder> Dang i was hoping linux would finally be taken seriously
[01:38] <vrement> Yes, i thought so too... can you take this info forward in Ubuntu community? My machine is old Acer Travelmate 7520
[01:38] <whitepowder> vrement: More than likely you need to enable nonfree firmware and all will be OK
[01:39] <dotDeb> whitepowder cmon give him SOME credit, no?
[01:40] <vrement> whitepowder: no no, in Trisquel, wlan card is recognized right on. As i try to install Ubuntu,,, no.
[01:40] <dotDeb> my computer runs Linux with a deblobbed kernel and no nonfree drivers
[01:40] <whitepowder> vrement: Again, more than likely its because the firmware required for the driver is binary-only and thus in the non-free package
[01:41] <vrement> but in Trisquel, ALL and everything is free.
[01:41] <dotDeb> whitepowder you misread again
[01:41] <dotDeb> trisquel works, Ubuntu doesn't
[01:41] <vrement> so how can this be?
[01:41] <dotDeb> for this particular piece of hardwarw
[01:41] <vrement> thanks dotweb for helping
[01:41] <whitepowder> Which broadcom card?
[01:41] <dotDeb> isn't trisquel Ubuntu based?
[01:42] <vrement> i don't know what is Trisquel based or anything.... it just works, and Ubuntu did not.
[01:42] <vrement> all i know is that Trisquel is free and gratis.
[01:43] <dotDeb> yea trisquel is Ubuntu based, so this problem makes even less sense
[01:43] <vrement> well, i tried installing Ubuntu 14.04... my wlan card is NOT recognized.
[01:44] <vrement> i then tried, as a test, for like fun... test Trisquel... all free etc.. and lo and behold, my wlan card was on right away.
[01:44] <Guest95457> Hi, what is the name of this IRC client http://pascalpoitras.com/my-weechat-configuration/
[01:44] <Omega9> vrement: what does dmesg say about your card?
[01:44] <vrement> what is dmesg?
[01:45] <OerHeks> !info weechat
[01:45] <Elengil> wonder if a usb wlan would be any better
[01:45] <Omega9> !info dmesg
[01:45] <vrement> how can Trisquel work on broadcom wlan card, and Ubuntu does not? this is my question.
[01:47] <vrement> Trisquel is all open source and gratis, so this is VERY weird on Ubuntu part.
[01:47] <Omega9> vrement: you just need to configure it.
[01:47] <kyle__> Anyone here using multiple disks with an encrypted install?  Is there a tutorial that covers the "right" way of adding more disks to the crypto setup?
[01:47] <vrement> i don't want to configure anything, when i can see that i have an automatic option where it works.
[01:47] <Sunstream> Only thing I know is USB wlan is better than an internal card.
[01:48] <Omega9> ubuntu, is not bad, I'd like to see ubuntu be more multimedia focused, as in all the internet requirements are all upto date with the latest java,flash etc installed as standard
[01:48] <kyle__> Sunstream: Greatly depends on the internal card.
[01:48] <vrement> So why is this in Ubuntu? Trisquel, as i have read, is far behind in progress... being all open etc.
[01:49] <Sunstream> well for "distance"
[01:49] <kyle__> Omega9: If you want multimedia creation, try ubuntu-studio.
[01:49] <dotDeb> omega9 openjdk7 is in the repos and I believe flash is too, but flash is on the way out so I don't know why you care about that being preinstalled
[01:50] <Omega9> flash is used by youtube
[01:50] <causative> doesn't youtube have an option to use htm4 instead of flash
[01:50] <causative> html4
[01:51] <kyle__> Sunstream: Again, greatly depends on the system.  USB wifi adapters have notoriously bad antennas.  You need to modify them or add an antenna to work properly.  Internal wifi cards are usually attached to a reasonable antenna, _but_ they're often out of date very quickly, so can't attach at the latest greatest speed/version, and some cheap manufactuers have horrible QC, and the antenna cable is sometimes not connected.
[01:51] <dotDeb> omega9 no you can force YouTube to use html5
[01:51] <vrement> so.... no one can answer this? Trisquel automates Broadcom Wlan card right on, being open source and gratis OS... but Ubuntu does not recognize that same card on same laptop in any way.
[01:51] <causative> html5
[01:51] <whitepowder> html5 and yea, thankfully flash is dying
[01:51] <dotDeb> also pitivi is a great Linux video editor
[01:51] <kyle__> Omega9: youtube defaults to html5 unless you have a bad browser now.  I think.
[01:51] <dotDeb> very modern
[01:52] <LapJup>  the fedora repo shows 2 versions of unetbootin for fc 20.0. 0-14.581.bzr.fc20 and 608-1fc20. which one should i grab?
[01:52] <Omega9> dotDeb: as you can see from this channel, a lot of people use the net, and they want an OS that is highly capable of the internet requirements. Most people in general likes to have PnP, no funny business of configuring the network card etc
[01:52] <Sunstream> At one time I saw a wifi card that had an external antenna and had a 100mW power output. I can use more than that. I can use up to 1KW if I really wanted to
[01:52] <dotDeb> omega9 java and flash are not internet requirements
[01:52] <jeevesmoss> how do I install Ubuntu on an Asus Transformer pad T100?  I have a known working boot USB, and all I get is the unit looping into the bios
[01:52] <causative> mW means milliwatts
[01:52] <Sunstream> But i have no reason to do that.
[01:53] <Omega9> well then that's where ubuntu has failed
[01:53] <causative> 1 KW is 10,000 times more power than 100 mW
[01:53] <causative> Omega9, you can get flash in ubuntu if you want it, and you can get java too
[01:53] <vrement> No one can answer this then. This is a definitive flaw in Ubuntu, can some dev take this issue forward?
[01:53] <kyle__> Sunstream: Unless you've got the right license, no, you can't use 1KW transmissions without risking some serious fines or jail time.
[01:53] <dotDeb> vrement have you checked for available drivers?
[01:54] <Sunstream> I have the license
[01:54] <Omega9> vrement: dmesg | cat broadcom
[01:54] <kurogoma> which driver would i use for the touchpad on the galago ultra?
[01:54] <vrement> dotDeb: i already said... Trisquel does NOT need any configuring.
[01:54] <kurogoma> synaptics?
[01:54] <vrement> works right on... being gratis and open source.
[01:54] <kurogoma> there's no real description
[01:54] <dotDeb> vrement so are you actually trying to get Ubuntu to work or are you just here to bash Ubuntu?
[01:55] <kyle__> Sunstream: awesome.  What do yo use it for?
[01:55] <Sunstream> as long as I stay within a certian section of the band I can even use 5 watts (which is more than part 15)
[01:55] <vrement> No, not trying to bash. Just asking: how can this be?
[01:55] <Sunstream> I use it to talk to people
[01:55] <Sunstream> there are 2 or 3 channles of the WIFI allocation that falls within a band I can use.
[01:56] <vrement> how can FOSS and gratis Trisquel recognize my wlan broadcom, but Ubuntu does not?
[01:56] <Omega9> vrement: are you on ubuntu right now?
[01:56] <kyle__> Neat.  I've been tempted to get a license, but I'd only use it for data & RC stuff, so I never feel like it's worth going through with it.
[01:56] <dotDeb> vrement the trisquel devs could have written a driver
[01:56] <vrement> Omega9: no
[01:56] <Beldar> jeevesmoss, This a wiped computer and you were on earlier?
[01:56] <Sunstream> Part 97 rules in the USA apply once I use more power than the part 15 allow
[01:57] <Sunstream> I am an amateur Radio operator
[01:57] <kurogoma> and what kind of power drivers would i need?
[01:57] <Sunstream> I have to put HMSS:*My callsign* to do this but I have no reason to do that
[01:57] <Omega9> vrement: You only have one computer?
[01:58] <vrement> i do not understand how can it be, that Ubuntu is less functional in compatibility, than FOSS and gratis Trisquel.
[01:58] <vrement> Omega9: no, i have many.
[01:58] <kyle__> vrement: troll harder summer friend.
[01:58] <vrement> kyle_: how can this be trolling?
[01:59] <vrement> can you tell be the answer why Trisquel works on that issue?
[01:59] <vrement> Ubuntu does not.
[01:59] <dotDeb> vrement because you're evangelizing for trisquel
[01:59] <Omega9> vrement: can you turn on your ubuntu pc? open up a terminal type dmesg | cat broadcom
[01:59] <vrement> dotDeb: i just tried it for first time for fun, and found out this.
[02:00] <vrement> first i tried installing ubuntu, but no wlan found.
[02:00] <dotDeb> vrement Ok so are you on trisquel now?
[02:00] <vrement> no, i'm right now on Mint 17
[02:00] <kurogoma> vrement: drivers are installed? lspci -v should tell you if they're loaded
[02:01] <dotDeb> vrement and mint worked?
[02:01] <dotDeb> vrement mint is Ubuntu based too
[02:01] <vrement> yes, tried it before Ubuntu and Trisquel
[02:01] <vrement> yes i know it is
[02:01] <vrement> that's why it is weird to me
[02:02] <dotDeb> it's weird to everyone
[02:02] <Beldar> no it's not
[02:02] <vrement> so, Trisquel and Mint recognized this broadcom wlan
[02:02] <vrement> Ubuntu did not
[02:03] <vrement> so my question still is... how can this be ?
[02:03] <dotDeb> beldar I figured someone would say that :P
[02:03] <Omega9> vrement: that's just the way linux is. It's getting there, it's slowly evolving with different forks. Use the distro that works for you. No need for bashing
[02:03] <Beldar> This is not trisquel support
[02:03] <dotDeb> beldar vrement isn't asking a support question
[02:03] <vrement> Omega9: Mint and Trisquel are Linux also, so why are you saying this?
[02:04] <Beldar> dotDeb, I know their rap they were on earlier with a different nick same ip
[02:04] <dotDeb> vrement you missed his point
[02:04] <dotDeb> beldar oh, still Ubuntu bashing? :/
[02:04] <Beldar> yes they were
[02:04] <dotDeb> dang
[02:05] <vrement> i use the working distro, yes, but my question is still... How can the leading distro Ubuntu not work like for example Trisquel, on hardware?
[02:05] <dotDeb> the stallman koolaid is potent stuff, kids
[02:05] <Beldar> lol
[02:05] <vrement> and it's not fun you make jokes on that i've been payed or something
[02:06] <dotDeb> and I'm not anti-stallman, I just don't like the evangelizy fundamentalist stuff
[02:06] <Omega9> vrement: linux has many many distros to choose from. Each one has their own objective. Some are multimedia focused like linux mint. If you are happy with linux mint, stick to it.:)
[02:07] <Omega9> vrement: ubuntu has a different ideology
[02:07] <vrement> i just would like Ubuntu to work right on... it's the first Linux distro the newcomers choose... and then: wlan card not recognized. Then what the Joe Average does? He tosses it.
[02:07] <dotDeb> vrement your problem is rare
[02:08] <kurogoma> i don't think his problem is rare, it's a legitimate concern
[02:08] <Omega9> vrement: hence you made your choice, linux mint. :)
[02:08] <vrement> I just did what i said: i first put on Mint 17... Wlan card right on ok. Then Ubuntu... no, nothing... then for fun, i tried Triaquel (FOSS and gratis) worked too! For my amazement.
[02:08] <dotDeb> kurogoma really? how many wlan cards have this problem?
[02:09] <kurogoma> i think a lot can go wrong with the install process
[02:09] <Beldar> kurogoma, Hardly they don't want to do the simple work needed, nor have the skills
[02:09] <kurogoma> it's happened to me in my old laptop
[02:09] <kurogoma> well, the point is for newcomers like my grandparents to not have to worry about it
[02:09] <kurogoma> once ubuntu is set up it's fine
[02:10] <dotDeb> I think wireless card compatibility is a much bigger issue
[02:10] <kurogoma> but getting stuff to work out of the box is always a plus for people wanting to take the next step
[02:10] <kurogoma> dotDeb: driver support at large is
[02:10] <dotDeb> and ubuntu definitely tops trisquel in that regard because lots of wireless firmware is nonfree
[02:11] <dotDeb> kurogoma that's true
[02:11] <Beldar> kurogoma, it's linux not ever computer plugs and plays, not even with big providers, externalized blame is just a lack of any critical thinking development
[02:11] <Beldar> every*
[02:11] <kurogoma> yeah, i remember using windows 8 around release time and couldn't get an arduino to compile using it, no driver support
[02:12] <Omega9> kurogoma: hence you get other linux distros with that focus in mind, to be PnP, user friendly, internet capable etc out of the box. ie: linux mint, netrunner etc etc. :)
[02:12] <kurogoma> hence i choose linux every day of the week for hardware support on that kind of stuff
[02:13] <kurogoma> i just started compiling my own kernels, that way i know what drivers are on it at startup
[02:13] <kurogoma> everything else is an added module or not supported
[02:13] <Beldar> this is all offtopic can we get back to support
[02:13] <hdm> am i being dense, or is there not 32-bit server iso for 14.04?
[02:14] <Omega9> Beldar: your right lol. I'm outta here. Later guys :)
[02:14] <kurogoma> i have a galago ultrapro and was wondering if there are any specific drivers for power related issues on the battery
[02:14] <hdm> tldr: getting a laptop setup for a 5 yo, unity/xubuntu/etc all work out of the box, but after the first upgrade, fail to find the disk
[02:14] <hdm> going for console mode, but seems overkill to use any server mode iso given the use case --- login and do console stuff
[02:15] <vrement> if it's of any help on future development, my laptop is and old Acer Aspire 5520. Wlan card was right away recognized on Mint and even Trisquel... Not on Ubuntu. This is what i experienced.
[02:15] <kingbeowolf> getting an annoying error fatal error: ImfChromaticities.h: No such file or directory
[02:15] <kingbeowolf> what package is this even to?
[02:16] <Beldar> hdm, http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[02:17] <hdm> Beldar: tyvm, must be the mirror i was looking at
[02:17] <Beldar> np
[02:18] <pythonista> I am trying to change the data directory for a mysql database, but after changing the directory the database will not restart. Here is a longer description of the problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/461350/error-changing-mysql-data-directory
[02:18] <hdm> random: is there a `buntu variant designed for kid use in mind?
[02:19] <Beldar> hdm, not from canonical
[02:19] <kingbeowolf> hdm, what age?
[02:19] <lukemorrison> hdm: Maybe Edubuntu?
[02:19] <hdm> 5 yo, reads, does math just fine
[02:19] <hdm> thanks
[02:20] <hdm> the box is underpowered for gimp - 1s draw latency
[02:20] <hdm> mostly we hack on cowsay-based math apps
[02:20] <smokie> anyone know how to list folders in MB instead of bytes ?
[02:20] <smokie> from terminal
[02:20] <hdm> smokie: du -sh
[02:21] <FredddyTo> hi.. i constantly have to share files between multiple operating systems either by harddrive or USB
[02:21] <FredddyTo> the operating systems are ubuntu 12.04, windows and osx.. no matter what I can not find a stable filesystem that i can share between them
[02:22] <holstein> FredddyTo: most use fat32
[02:22] <FredddyTo> My most recent one i've tried is ext4 with paragon on osx and it seems useless... basically the usb gets currupted all the time
[02:22] <hdm> FredddyTo: fs-based sharing has drawbacks, you might look at a p2p+cloud based setup
[02:22] <holstein> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/08/access-ext4-ext3-or-ext2-partitions-in.html
[02:22] <FredddyTo> isin't fat32 limited to 4gb?
[02:22] <FredddyTo> hdm: cloud sharing isin't really an option
[02:22] <holstein> http://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-manage-ext2ext3-disks-in-os-x/
[02:22] <hdm> FredddyTo: personally i recently did spideroak between OSs after using a mix of cifs + offline folders for years
[02:22] <lukemorrison> hdm: http://www.lifehack.org/articles/technology/linux-for-children.html
[02:22] <pythonista> I am trying to change the data directory for a mysql database, but after changing the directory the database will not restart. Here is a longer description of the problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/461350/error-changing-mysql-data-directory
[02:23] <holstein> i make other os's use ext. personally
[02:23] <FredddyTo> hdm: i'm in central china.. so nearly all of the cloud sharing options (google drive, dropbox etc don't work)
[02:23] <hdm> holstein: win32 ext2 drivers have been datalossy for me :/
[02:23] <FredddyTo> holstein, i've tried that.. with ext4 but they keep currupting the drives
[02:23] <hdm> FredddyTo: gotcha, fat32 + crypto container isnt too bad
[02:23] <holstein> FredddyTo: set them up locally.. samba, ssh.. whatever
[02:23] <hdm> fate32 with a truecrypt + ntfs image
[02:24] <hdm> seems to work fairly well these days
[02:24] <FredddyTo> oh how's that work?
[02:24] <hdm> whether TC is trustable is a big unknown
[02:24] <FredddyTo> fat32 is limited to 4gb right?
[02:24] <holstein> ntfs is an option..
[02:24] <FredddyTo> holstein: and install ntfs drivers on osx?
[02:24] <hdm> FredddyTo: ntfs is decently supported in linux now, can ntfs-3g a usb disk, stick a TC container on it, it becomes x-compat
[02:24] <FredddyTo> is ntfs supported by linux?
[02:24] <FredddyTo> oh nice
[02:25] <holstein> FredddyTo: i mean, on some level, if you want one file system in all places, you'll make a compromise
[02:25] <hdm> if you dont trust TC anymore, use bitlocker, but install the fuse bitlocker drivers on linux to access
[02:25] <hdm> the main problem is sync
[02:25] <hdm> in which case you dont want a fs, you want a sync srevice
[02:25] <hdm> offline folders that are based on a samba + luks/ecrypt setup work wonders
[02:25] <hdm> granted its not encrypted in transport unless you use a vpn
[02:25] <FredddyTo> oh
[02:26] <FredddyTo> samba is not encrypted?
[02:26] <hdm> in that setup, each windows box has an "offline folder" that is a samba share
[02:26] <maddawg2> FredddyTo, yes you can read and write from NTFS but i'm not sure about using it as a boot drive
[02:26] <maddawg2> i stick to ext4 nowadays for that
[02:26] <hdm> sync center/ scheduled sync, but... add a drivers\etc\hosts entry to the ip of your openvpn samba share
[02:26] <FredddyTo> maddawg: this would be for extenral media
[02:26] <z1haze> can someone help me? i have a bash script that completes backups for specific folder on my system; how could i limit to say keep only the 28 most recent files and started deleteing the oldest onces after reaching 28
[02:26] <hdm> or your windows box will send your creds to whoever
[02:27] <z1haze> like i want to have up to 28 backups stored, after than i need to start deleting, starting with the oldest
[02:27] <hdm> FredddyTo: luks or bitlocker-to-go, no real good interop besides fuse-absed bitlocker apps now
[02:27] <FredddyTo> right
[02:27] <hdm> assuming you dont trust truecrypt after recent stuff
[02:27] <causative> that's not much of a backup if it only covers 28 recent files
[02:27] <FredddyTo> hdm: do you not trust it now?
[02:27] <z1haze> no causative: 28 backups
[02:27] <FredddyTo> if it was vulnerable it would be nsa :)
[02:28] <z1haze> they are tar backups
[02:28] <hdm> FredddyTo: tbh, im somewhere in between
[02:28] <hdm> ive been switching to spideroak + sync folders and then native crypto
[02:28] <hdm> whether its bitlocker or luks
[02:28] <z1haze> i have a shell script in crontab that backs up every 6 hours a specific folder
[02:28] <hdm> my few remaining TC systems im on the fence about
[02:28] <FredddyTo> do you guys encrypt everything?
[02:28] <z1haze> it does it every 6 hours so i want to keep 1 weeks woth
[02:28] <hdm> i kinda half to, but there are lots of gaps :/
[02:28] <causative> oh, well you could try ls -t | head -n 28 to get the 28 most recent files in the directory
[02:28] <hdm> s/half/have/
[02:29] <FredddyTo> I talked to a guy about 2 years ago who claimed that the intel tcm chip could have the encryption reversed if you had supercomputer time and could get access to the chip itself
[02:29] <z1haze> causative: lets say i create a blank backup folder, i want to place my backup-date.tar files in there
[02:29] <causative> or you could do:  ls -t | tail -n +29 | xargs rm
[02:29] <hdm> FredddyTo: for example, ecryptfs is nice... except its derived from your password
[02:29] <pythonista> Can anyone help with moving mysql directory? After changing data directory mysql will not restart
[02:29] <z1haze> i want to accumulate up to 28 backupos
[02:29] <hdm> tc is nice, except its possible compromised according to its devs
[02:29] <z1haze> then after 28, start knocking off the oldest ones first, to keep 28
[02:29] <hdm> luks is solid, but XTS mode is under fire
[02:30] <FredddyTo> hdm: do you encrypt everything?
[02:30] <hdm> imo, pick who you defend against, dont leave cleartext lying around
[02:30] <FredddyTo> i.e. boot drives, external media etc
[02:30] <Beldar> !ot | FredddyTo
[02:30] <hdm> FredddyTo: yes basically, go pm if you like
[02:30] <hdm> thanks all to the kiddo/bunto responses
[02:30] <z1haze> causative: can you help with that?
[02:31] <causative> I said:  ls -t | tail -n +29 | xargs rm
[02:31] <causative> that removes all but the most recently modified 28 files in the current directory
[02:31] <Beldar> hdm, welcome to ignore, this channel has protocols far a reason
[02:31] <z1haze> im really terrible at writing this stuff though; 1 sec ill show my backup script
[02:31] <z1haze> it may be messy but it does work
[02:31] <syntroPi> Which is the most capable DVB-T/C video player software (preferably with timeshifting) based on GTK3? Currently I am using VLC but it has QT gui...
[02:32] <z1haze> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7719322/ causativ
[02:33] <z1haze> could i put it in there?
[02:34] <causative> sure
[02:34] <causative> ls -t $DESTDIR | tail -n +29 | xargs rm
[02:35] <z1haze> it would go after line 9?
[02:35] <pythonista> Trying to change data directory for mysql server, having issues: http://askubuntu.com/questions/461350/error-changing-mysql-data-directory
[02:35] <causative> you could put it anywhere really
[02:35] <causative> after line 9 works
[02:36] <causative> this assumes your backup directory has no files in it other than your backups
[02:36] <z1haze> ok ill give it a shot
[02:36] <causative> because if it has other files, it's going to delete all but the most recent 28
[02:36] <z1haze> thats fine
[02:36] <z1haze> i created that directory
[02:36] <z1haze> for these tar files
[02:36] <z1haze> thats all that will be in it
[02:38] <causative> it also assumes nothing is modifying those backup tars after they are created
[02:38] <z1haze> rm: missing operand
[02:38] <z1haze> they wont be modified
[02:38] <causative> oh that's because you don't have any old files to delete
[02:38] <adamcunnington> Hi, has anyone used aptik?
[02:39] <z1haze> ok so once i get up to 28 it should work
[02:39] <causative> yeah
[02:40] <hdm> Beldar: no worries mate, moved to pm after the suggestion, thanks again
[02:40] <linuxuz3r> hey guys how do i administer services in ubuntu
[02:40] <causative> use the service command
[02:40] <linuxuz3r> i want to shutdown unneeded services and run my own service
[02:41] <causative> man service
[02:41] <holstein> linuxuz3r: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBootupHowto http://askubuntu.com/questions/58404/how-to-start-and-stop-a-service
[02:42] <z1haze> hey causative: rm: cannot remove `backup-2014-06-28-220402.tgz': No such file or directory thats odd because i know 100% the file is there im looking at it
[02:42] <holstein> z1haze: try using the entire path
[02:42] <causative> oh yeah
[02:43] <z1haze> what do you mean?
[02:43] <z1haze> dont use the variable?
[02:43] <causative> you might want to change to the backup directory first
[02:43] <holstein> z1haze: /path/to/file, rather than just rm file
[02:43] <z1haze> i wont know the file though
[02:43] <holstein> z1haze: ~/Downloads or /home/z1haze/Backup or whatever
[02:43] <z1haze> its going to change
[02:44] <holstein> z1haze: you said you are looking at the file, and asking why you are getting an rm error.. thats what im addressing..
[02:44] <z1haze> sorry im not getting it
[02:45] <z1haze> what do you mean /path/to/file rather than just rm file
[02:45] <causative> sh -c "cd $DESTDIR && ls -t | tail -n +29 | xargs rm"
[02:45] <holstein> z1haze: why are you getting an error when running "rm filename".. its because you should either, as causative suggested, cd into the directory, or just use the full path
[02:47] <z1haze> so like this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7719350/ sorry im not a coder at all, i know basic java stuff at best.. but i did test and it seems to work
[02:48] <z1haze> where can i read what sh -c means?
[02:48] <linuxuz3r> what are the different runlevels in ubuntu
[02:48] <linuxuz3r> 0-6
[02:49] <linuxuz3r> how do i know what runlevel im in right now
[02:49] <linuxuz3r> im on desktop unity
[02:49] <holstein> http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl1_sh.htm http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?sh , z1haze
[02:49] <z1haze> ok awesome thanks
[02:50] <holstein> linuxuz3r: should be stock, if you havent changed anything
[02:50] <causative> z1haze, sh -c starts a new shell that runs that command inside the quotes, the purpose is so that cd doesn't affect anything that happens afterwards
[02:50] <z1haze> ohh
[02:53] <boy_wanders> how do I find out where /var/lib/mysql is mounted?
[02:55] <causative> what do you mean, where it's mounted?  it's a directory
[02:55] <causative> it isn't mounted anywhere
[02:55] <maddawg2> lol
[02:55] <maddawg2> thats funny
[02:55] <richiefrich> o_0
[02:55] <causative> you mount devices
[02:55] <maddawg2> boy_wanders most likely /var/lib/mysql
[02:56] <maddawg2> that's where it's "LOCATED"
[02:56] <boy_wanders> I want to know how much disk space that directory has
[02:56] <causative> du -h /var/lib/mysql
[02:56] <maddawg2> how much disk space?
[02:56] <richiefrich> du -sh /foo
[02:56] <maddawg2> you mean howmuch disk space it USES?
[02:57] <maddawg2> boy_wanders, are you looking for how LARGE that directory is or how much space is left on your hard drive
[02:57] <maddawg2> two different things
[02:57] <boy_wanders> Basically MySQL is saying it can't start because it's out of disk space
[02:57] <richiefrich> df -h
[02:58] <maddawg2> yea so you want to know how much disk space you have
[02:58] <boy_wanders> it's a 40GB disk with 5.11GB used
[02:58] <Ben64> boy_wanders: pastebin "df -h"
[02:58] <richiefrich> are you using all the inodes?
[02:58] <maddawg2> mmmm inodes
[02:58] <richiefrich> df -i
[02:58]  * maddawg2 drools
[02:58] <boy_wanders> Ben64,
[02:59] <boy_wanders> http://pastebin.com/DvevaSVJ
[02:59] <pythonista> I am trying to move my mysql data directory. After changing the directory mysql will not restart
[02:59] <Ben64> boy_wanders: that looks quite strange, what kind of system is this
[02:59] <pythonista> http://askubuntu.com/questions/461350/error-changing-mysql-data-directory
[02:59] <richiefrich> pythonista: did you set the new directory in my.cnf
[02:59] <boy_wanders> it's an OpenVZ container with an assigned IP address
[03:00] <richiefrich> boy_wanders: df -i
[03:00] <pythonista> richiefrich: yes, I changed the datadir
[03:00] <maddawg2> does it say you are out of disk space or out of memory boy_wanders ?
[03:00] <boy_wanders>  * /etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full!
[03:00] <richiefrich> boy_wanders: df -i
[03:00] <causative> boy_wanders, well it looks like /dev/ploop36036p1 is the device in question
[03:00] <maddawg2> yea do a pastebin of df -i
[03:01] <pythonista> richiefrich: more details here http://askubuntu.com/questions/461350/error-changing-mysql-data-directory
[03:01] <boy_wanders> http://pastebin.com/52Dvv4y0
[03:01] <richiefrich> odd
[03:02] <richiefrich> pythonista: is that your error exactly?
[03:02] <Ben64> boy_wanders: df -i this time not df -h
[03:02] <pythonista> yes, I posted it
[03:02] <Ben64> boy_wanders: oh wait, clicked the wrong link, sorry
[03:02] <boy_wanders> that was -i :)
[03:02] <richiefrich> pythonista: ok
[03:02] <maddawg2> Ben64 he already did
[03:03] <maddawg2> ben64: http://pastebin.com/52Dvv4y0
[03:03] <cirkit> ?
[03:03] <richiefrich> pythonista: paste me your my.cnf
[03:03] <maddawg2> it looks like you are using all the inodes
[03:03] <richiefrich> pythonista: also i need the .err file
[03:03] <maddawg2> quite odd that it says you are out of space tho
[03:03] <Ben64> boy_wanders: try this.... "sudo dd bs=1M count=100 if=/dev/zero of=/var/lib/mysql/delete_me"
[03:04] <richiefrich> he is only using 1%  of inodes
[03:04] <pythonista> [client]
[03:04] <pythonista> port		= 3306
[03:04] <pythonista> socket		= /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
[03:04] <pythonista> [mysqld_safe]
[03:04] <pythonista> socket		= /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
[03:04] <pythonista> nice		= 0
[03:04] <pythonista> [mysqld]
[03:04] <cirkit> ???
[03:04] <pythonista> user		= mysql
[03:04] <pythonista> pid-file	= /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid
[03:04] <pythonista> socket = /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
[03:04] <pythonista> port = 3306
[03:04] <cirkit> Please use a pastebin
[03:04] <pythonista> basedir		= /usr
[03:04] <boy_wanders> 100+0 both in and out then 104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 0.0915954 s, 1.1 GB/s
[03:04] <pythonista> datadir = /media/D/mysql
[03:04] <pythonista> tmpdir		= /tmp
[03:04] <Ben64> pythonista: pastebin! don't flood the channel
[03:04] <pythonista> lc-messages-dir	= /usr/share/mysql
[03:04] <pythonista> skip-external-locking
[03:04] <cirkit> Please use a pastebin
[03:04] <richiefrich> pythonista: not here "\
[03:04] <pythonista> bind-address = <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:04] <pythonista> key_buffer		= 16M
[03:04] <pythonista> max_allowed_packet = 16M
[03:04] <cirkit> what the fuck!!
[03:04] <pythonista> thread_stack		= 192K
[03:04] <Ben64> boy_wanders: then you're not out of space.
[03:04] <pythonista> thread_cache_size       = 8
[03:04] <pythonista> myisam-recover         = BACKUP
[03:04] <pythonista> query_cache_limit	= 1M
[03:04] <cirkit> Wow!!!!
[03:05] <pythonista> query_cache_size = 16M
[03:05] <pythonista> log_error = /var/log/mysql/error.log
[03:05] <cirkit> Wow!!!!
[03:05] <pythonista> expire_logs_days	= 10
[03:05] <pythonista> max_binlog_size         = 100M
[03:05] <boy_wanders> Ben64, well mysql seems to disagree with you :p
[03:05] <Ben64> cirkit: don't start using bad language because someone floods though :)
[03:05] <IdleOne> !paste | pythonista
[03:05] <Ben64> boy_wanders: how are you starting it?
[03:05] <zhaotongxue> hi
[03:05] <boy_wanders> K /etc/init.d/mysql start
[03:05] <pythonista> http://pastebin.com/R68Yn7Sw
[03:05] <zhaotongxue> how to config ibus well
[03:05] <linuxuz3r> well it seams that ubuntu doesnt have a stray service
[03:06] <IdleOne> cirkit: no swearing please
[03:06] <linuxuz3r> everything is clean
[03:06] <linuxuz3r> at least in my ubuntu install
[03:06] <zhaotongxue> ???
[03:06] <Ben64> boy_wanders: sudo?
[03:06] <zhaotongxue> i can't use my ibus will
[03:06] <boy_wanders> nope, I'll try that
[03:06] <boy_wanders> well that works
[03:06] <boy_wanders> I'm dumb
[03:06] <Ben64> :)
[03:06] <boy_wanders> Thanks Ben64 <3
[03:07] <zhaotongxue> 你好世界
[03:07] <zhaotongxue> 为什么不行呢？
[03:07] <pythonista> richiefrich: http://pastebin.com/R68Yn7Sw
[03:07] <zhaotongxue> 但是为什么呢？
[03:07] <Ben64> !cn | zhaotongxue
[03:07] <zhaotongxue> i love you
[03:15] <pythonista> richiefrich: any ideas?
[03:15] <richiefrich> sec
[03:15] <pythonista> k thanks
[03:16] <zhaotongxue> how to config ibus?
[03:19] <richiefrich> pythonista: can you do ....  tail -100 /var/log/mysql/error.log     and pastbin that
[03:19] <OerHeks> zhaotongxue, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ibus
[03:19] <zhaotongxue> thanks
[03:20] <OerHeks> !ibus
[03:20] <richiefrich> pythonista: stat /media/D/mysql
[03:20] <richiefrich> is it owned by mysql.mysql
[03:21] <pythonista> richiefrich: http://pastebin.com/egw96Rms
[03:21] <holstein> !server
[03:22] <holstein> pythonista: ^ i would try there, and the mailing lists associcated. and mysql specific support
[03:22] <pythonista> richiefrich: http://pastebin.com/kM4Zi6LJ
[03:22] <holstein> pythonista: dealin specifically with the errors from there.. like .. Fatal error: Can't open and lock privilege tables: Table 'mysql.host' doesn't exist
[03:23] <richiefrich> pythonista: it seems you have a lot going on here i mean inndb is in recovery mode, and you are missing Table 'mysql.host' doesn't exist
[03:23] <holstein> yup.. and .. /usr/sbin/mysqld: Table 'mysql.plugin' doesn't exist
[03:23] <holstein> pythonista: you have not dont the migration correctly
[03:23] <pythonista> richiefrich: note the timestamps are from before I shut down the database, it works fine before I made the changes in my link
[03:24] <richiefrich> how did you copy the files over>/
[03:24] <richiefrich> rsync or cp?
[03:24] <pythonista> richiefrich: cp and then changed ownership http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1795176/how-to-change-mysql-data-directory
[03:25] <richiefrich>  basedir         = /usr
[03:25] <richiefrich>  datadir = /media/D/mysql
[03:25] <pythonista> holstein: obviously
[03:25] <richiefrich> i would think that is wrong
[03:25] <richiefrich>  basedir         = /media/D
[03:25] <richiefrich>  datadir = /media/D/mysql
[03:25] <pythonista> richiefrich: ok , I'll give it a try
[03:26] <richiefrich> idk if that will help but to me its wrong
[03:27] <pythonista> richiefrich: no luck
[03:27] <richiefrich> ok
[03:28] <richiefrich> so if you change it back to
[03:28] <richiefrich>  basedir         = /usr
[03:28] <richiefrich>  datadir = /var/lib/mysql
[03:28] <pythonista> yep, did that
[03:28] <richiefrich> it works?
[03:29] <pythonista> If I change everything changed in that link back it will work again
[03:30] <pythonista> richiefrich: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1795176/how-to-change-mysql-data-directory
[03:30] <richiefrich> ok so why do you wanna move /var/lib/mysql
[03:30] <richiefrich> to /media/D/mysql
[03:30] <pythonista> richiefrich: because the second hard drive is much larger and I don't want to fill up the first which is solid state
[03:30] <richiefrich> i would run an rsync -avP /var/lib/mysql /media/D
[03:31] <richiefrich> and see what you get
[03:31] <richiefrich> then start it
[03:32] <pythonista> richiefrich: still fails
[03:32] <pythonista> richiefrich: "start: Job failed to start"
[03:33] <richiefrich> pythonista: right but i need the error from the logs
[03:33] <richiefrich> not from when you start it with your script
[03:34] <pythonista> richiefrich: that is what it returns from the command line. Which log do you want?
[03:34] <richiefrich>  /var/log/mysql/error.log
[03:34] <richiefrich> but only the tail of it
[03:34] <richiefrich> the errors are always in the logs
[03:36] <richiefrich> pythonista: you can try and start it by doing this too.
[03:36] <richiefrich> mysqld_safe --defaults-file=/etc/my.cnf &
[03:36] <pythonista> richiefrich: that log did not change at all, still has a last timestamp of 90 minutes ago before I started doing this
[03:37] <richiefrich> unless yours is in /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[03:37] <balonhead> richiefrich: Yo!
[03:37] <richiefrich> ho!
[03:37] <balonhead> pythonista: Yo!
[03:38] <richiefrich> pythonista: then you have an .err file in /media/D/mysql
[03:38] <richiefrich> or sohuld
[03:39] <kid22> hello guys
[03:40] <Geo> how do I tell what filesystem a hard drive is running?
[03:40] <balonhead> kid22: Yo!
[03:40] <pythonista> richiefrich: no dice. Parenthetically, is their a GUI like mysql workbench for ubuntu that might be able to do all of this automatically? (wishful thinking?)
[03:41] <cfhowlett> Geo sudo fdisk -l
[03:41] <balonhead> Geo: Yo!
[03:41] <richiefrich> pythonista: no sir
[03:41] <richiefrich> pythonista: do you know where your config is?
[03:41] <richiefrich> my.cnf i mean
[03:41] <holstein> !ot | balonhead
[03:42] <hamiltont> Anyone have some tips for fixing nobody:nogroup on NFSv4? My exports are correct, my domain is correct, my gids/uids/passwd/shadow are synchronized, and *sometimes* files are properly owned by the correct local users
[03:42] <hamiltont> Not always...
[03:42] <richiefrich> holstein: just put him on ignore he is uselss
[03:42] <Geo> cfhowlett: not sure that lists the filesystem...
[03:42] <richiefrich> hamiltont: thats a nightmare, i always use v3
[03:42] <Geo> I see partitions, but looking for ext3, ext4, etc
[03:42] <cfhowlett> Geo sadly, you are right.  sorry for the mal-intel
[03:43] <anonymous> hello' how to install ubuntu iso for in windows
[03:43] <sveta> balonhead, Hi. Please don't greet folks. It may be hard to pick up the pace with mobile, but I'm sure you can read. Thanks.
[03:43] <hamiltont> richiefrich: Darn, thanks for the heads up. I can't control that part unfortunately
[03:43] <Geo> no worries, I'm pretty sure you've given me good info before :)
[03:43] <cfhowlett> anonymous install virtualbox in windows.  install ubuntu in virtualbox
[03:43] <richiefrich> hamiltont: oh that sucks
[03:43] <hamiltont> Trying to use restart idmapd currently, but I can't make it work consistently
[03:43] <anonymous> hello
[03:43] <hamiltont> it==NFS
[03:43] <richiefrich> hamiltont: i would say you might have to do some magic in fstab
[03:44] <pythonista> richiefrich: ok, well thanks for trying to help fix it
[03:44] <anonymous> thank's cfhowlett
[03:44] <hamiltont> Hmmm non-defaults perhaps. I can take a look at that
[03:44] <cfhowlett> anonymous happy2help
[03:44] <hamiltont> perhaps an odd sync vs async issue
[03:44] <richiefrich> pythonista: np but where is your config at you can try starting it with the command line
[03:44] <richiefrich> pythonista: is it in /etc/mysql/my.cnf or /etc/my.cnf
[03:45] <anonymous> cfhowlett thank's you are very nice
[03:47] <richiefrich> pythonista: if you let me know i have an idea
[03:49] <Geo> hi, cloning a drive using rsync, and I need to be able to boot from the destination drive when done (diff filesystem, so no dd). Using a live cd, i mounted old/ and new/ ... about to run rsync -aAXvp old/ new/ --exclude=new/    ... any improvements or cautions on that?
[03:50] <holstein> Geo: i use clonezilla.. you can use https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair to repair or install grub
[03:50] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys I am having some difficulties, I keep getting complete freezes, in the sense that i cannot follow all  suggestions and my problem is similar to the one mentioned here
[03:50] <Psil0Cybin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/993187
[03:50] <Psil0Cybin> i recently took away acspi_osx=Linux from my grub
[03:50] <Psil0Cybin> i thought it fixed the issue as for one day i did not get any freezes
[03:50] <Psil0Cybin> but today i did again
[03:50] <holstein> Psil0Cybin: have you tried the vesa driver? that would tell me if its graphics related.. or, at least help
[03:51] <Psil0Cybin> how would I try the vesa driver?
[03:51] <holstein> Psil0Cybin: i use this xorg.conf http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209 as is.. just to see if it works, and is stable..
[03:52] <balonhead> Amd and Intel offer open source drivers. Linux is always screaming open-source. But Linux graphic works Best with closed source Nvidia.
[03:53] <holstein> balonhead: "best" is always a matter of opinion and use case.. but, the drivers the manufacturer make are using the "best" at supporting the device
[03:54] <holstein> i usually suggest trying the open drivers, and if they meet needs, then thats the "Best", since its included with the kernel
[03:54] <Psil0Cybin> holstein, thank you
[03:54] <Psil0Cybin> will try this
[03:54] <Psil0Cybin> i think i will back it up as well just incase :P
[03:54] <Psil0Cybin> does not mention that but that is always good
[03:54] <holstein> Psil0Cybin: back what up? you shouldnt have one..
[03:54] <holstein> !xorgconf
[03:54] <Psil0Cybin> oh it said originally to over write ha
[03:55] <balonhead> holstein: the drivers AMD and Intel graphic drivers are open-source and from the manufacturer. But Linux refuses to optimize with them. Instead they stick with closed NVPAu acceleration.
[03:55] <holstein> balonhead: linux refuses to optimize them? linux is not reponsible for them.. or the hardware..
[03:56] <laryu_bsod> you no tools hacking the most popular
[03:57] <cfhowlett> !english|laryu_bsod
[03:57] <holstein> balonhead: providing open drivers is an "optimization" step that the kernel devs try, to provide support in the kernel.. but, the vendors can also provide proprietary drivers.. the user can use which ever they choose
[03:59] <Psil0Cybin> holstein, if that config does not work, is that my only bet
[03:59] <Psil0Cybin> what can be another step in diagnosing this?
[03:59] <Psil0Cybin> I know for a fact it is not a memory issue.
[04:00] <holstein> Psil0Cybin: that "config" is just to force the vesa driver for you to isolate and hopefully test with the driver out of the equation
[04:03] <stormageddon07> I'm having a little trouble with an error message on boot. I'm running 12.04 LTS, and I have error messages that say /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 is present or is not ready, and the same message that pertains to the /dev/mapper/envy--m4--vg-swap_1. I skip mounting the disks, and I can log in. But I'd really like to boot with no errors.
[04:03] <holstein> stormageddon07: its a message, though.. i have seen that as my disks become "ready"
[04:07] <laryu_bsod> you know! not clear how the virus flame and stunex cyberware can be a tool of war to tell my friends computer virus is a strong stand to
[04:08] <bukkit> hello. I am trying to get a program (server, minecraft) to start when my machine starts. the instructions say to use an init.d, by creating a symlink to their file, then to update the rc.d I created to lini running update-rc.d says no file exists
[04:08] <cfhowlett> laryu_bsod what language do you speak?
[04:08] <bukkit> ironlically, when I use autofinish in the /etc/init.d dir, it finds the correct file
[04:09] <stormageddon07> holstein, it may be a message, but it comes up on every boot.
[04:09] <holstein> stormageddon07: sure.. it did for me to, as the disk became ready..
[04:09] <holstein> stormageddon07: you have to skip it? to get around it? or if you wait, you can proceed? correct?
[04:09] <balonhead> holstein: nvidia seems to be Linux gold standard for hw acceleration.
[04:10] <holstein> balonhead: nvidia is not related to linux
[04:10] <stormageddon07> holstein: I haven't waited, I just skipped it because I assumed it was an error.
[04:10] <holstein> balonhead: the "gold standard" is arguably intel, which typically provides linux support by default for inclusion in the kernel
[04:11] <holstein> stormageddon07: try waiting.. an error would state error. this says "not ready".. meaning, if thats the case, when its ready, you'll be able to enter..
[04:12] <laryu_bsod> sorry my english is not good :) cfhowlett
[04:12] <cfhowlett> laryu_bsod what language do you speak?
[04:12] <stormageddon07> Gotcha. Thanks.
[04:12] <holstein> stormageddon07: its related to encrption.. security measures are always a trade off..
[04:13] <stormageddon07> holstein: I thought it was related to encryption, as it was cryptswap that it was waiting to load.
[04:14] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/341979/what-to-do-about-the-disk-drive-for-dev-mapper-cryptswap1-is-not-ready-yet-or is relevant, stormageddon07 .. if you find you are actually not getting into the swap
[04:15] <laryu_bsod> cfhowlett My language is Malayasia
[04:15] <cfhowlett> !malaysia| laryu_bsod
[04:16] <cfhowlett> !my| laryu_bsod
[04:17] <stormageddon07> holstein: Found my problem. Gparted says I have no swap, despite the fact that it's in /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab.
[04:18] <laryu_bsod> thank's my firend cfhowlett you are very nice
[04:18] <cfhowlett> laryu_bsod happy to help
[04:18] <holstein> stormageddon07: seems like, you are skipping the mounting of it
[04:19] <stormageddon07> In that case, let me reboot and see what happens.
[04:25] <stormageddon07> holstein: I waited for them to mount, and Gparted still looks the same. I have 3 partitions: sda1 is /boot/efi, sda2 is /boot, and sda3 is crypt-luks. sda3 has a red exclamation mark out beside it, and when I check the error, it says, "Linux Unified Key Setup encryption is not yet supported."
[04:25] <stormageddon07> holstein: Either way, no swap.
[04:37] <luis_> hola
[04:37] <cfhowlett> !es|luis_
[04:41] <c0re_> how come i can access all of my three monitors simultaneously on Ubuntu but not on Debian or windows...
[04:42] <Geo> After cloning a drive using rsync, I now can't boot from the new drive. Where should I start troubleshooting?
[04:42] <cfhowlett> c0re_ ???? why ask ubuntu?  It's a windows/debian problem.  not supported here.  ##windows  #debian
[04:43] <xixi-chan> did you pay windows the extra $300 fee for the rights to use that extra monitor?
[04:43] <c0re_> just been wondering because it just worked out-of-the-box
[04:44] <xixi-chan> they are a nickel and dime company, so that could be the problem
[04:44] <c0re_> xixi-chan, more of a AMD driver problem i think
[04:44] <cfhowlett> c0re_ "it just works" = ubuntu > windows/debian
[04:44] <Sunstream> what???! You have to pay Microsoft 300 bucks to use a 2nd monitor?
[04:44] <c0re_> didn't get it to work with proprietary drivers on Deb ... and not with the official AMD drivers on Win... (but that is because i dont have an active adapter for DP to HDMI yet)
[04:45] <c0re_> sure thing Sunstream
[04:45] <xixi-chan> windows is probably because you didn't pay for the extra usage/debian sounds like a user error ask the folks over at #debian
[04:46] <c0re_> funnily i can use full landscape mode on ubuntu... guess ill stick to it for some time
[04:49] <Bashing-om> Geo: Might check the UUIDs in /etc/fstab, /etc/grub.d and /boot/grub/grub.cfg againsy what  -> sudo blkid <- indentifies the parttions as.
[04:50] <Sunstream> lol
[04:59] <Beldar> Geo, Not sure rsync saves the mbr, this msdos?
[05:02] <Beldar> !bootinfo | Geo
[05:15] <luis_> hi
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> luis_: hello
[05:16] <luis_> hello anyone knows that you can not update ubuntu
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> luis_: whats your error?
[05:18] <luis_> upgrade me to mark errors in dependencies
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> luis_: from wich ubuntu version are you trying to upgrade?
[05:19] <luis_> Imposible obtener http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty-security/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[05:20] <luis_> of 11,04 to 11.10
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> luis_: natty is end of life
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> luis_: you need to install a version from topic, maybe 14.04
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> !eol | luis_
[05:21] <luis_> yes like I can not update
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> luis_: you cannot update from 11.04, you need to install a new ubuntu version
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> luis_: download 14.04 to install clean
[05:23] <luis_> my pc no soport a new vercion
[05:24] <luis_> my pc does not support this vercion
[05:24] <dotDeb> Luis_ what's the problem?
[05:24] <luis_> is a p3 a 1.7 1ram
[05:24] <histo> luis_: upgrade to 12.04 then
[05:24] <histo> luis_: follow the end of life instructions
[05:25] <histo> luis_: you can run 14.04 just use a lighter desktop like lubuntu or xubuntu
[05:25] <luis_> if I can not update from the pc so the solution I see is from another cd
[05:25] <luis_> xubuntu
[05:27] <luis_> 4.04 requires the 2g ram
[05:27] <dotDeb> Luis_ how much ram do you have
[05:28] <luis_> i'not $$$
[05:31] <luis_> as upgrade from the terminal to not download the ISO
[05:32] <dotDeb> Luis_ I still don't understand the problem
[05:33] <luis_> ok
[05:33] <dotDeb> what's the problem
[05:34] <linuxuz3r> seems like stallman is really against profit
[05:34] <linuxuz3r> lol
[05:35] <linuxuz3r> i saw a video him bashing amazon integration in unity
[05:35] <linuxuz3r> oh well
[05:35] <dotDeb> linuxuz3r you're just learning this? I believe he was a communist at one point
[05:36] <linuxuz3r> he is to the far left and i understand his point
[05:36] <linuxuz3r> it sucks to be a victime of spyware malware and hacking
[05:36] <linuxuz3r> he is the other end that balances it out
[05:36] <dotDeb> linuxuz3r I totally understand his points and now he is a green party supporter which I mostly support
[05:36] <linuxuz3r> yeah
[05:37] <linuxuz3r> well dotDeb i learned that using ubuntu needs little maintenance
[05:37] <dotDeb> linuxuz3r what do you mean
[05:37] <linuxuz3r> its unlike the yesteryears of linux where you have to manually configure services and software
[05:38] <linuxuz3r> i wonder what linux system administrator jobs do in their field
[05:38] <Ben64> can you move this discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[05:38] <dotDeb> k
[05:38] <linuxuz3r> ok ill stop
[05:38] <linuxuz3r> dotDeb, do you play with terminal alot
[05:39] <dotDeb> linuxuz3r play with terminal? what?  I use it when I need it
[05:39] <linuxuz3r> i found a cool software that lets you do multitasking using 1 terminal
[05:39] <linuxuz3r> oh
[05:39] <linuxuz3r> yeah
[05:39] <linuxuz3r> try byobu
[05:39] <dotDeb> I use Debian anyways
[05:39] <linuxuz3r> its ciool
[05:39] <dotDeb> but this all belongs in offtopix
[05:39] <dotDeb> c
[05:39] <linuxuz3r> i use debian and ubuntu
[05:39] <linuxuz3r> ok
[05:39] <dotDeb> let's go
[05:42] <xenturion> hola estoy probando mi primera instalacion de linux
[05:42] <DeadxBeat> Hello all.
[05:43] <dotDeb> xenturion que es la problema?
[05:43] <dotDeb> hi
[05:44] <xenturion> necesito hacer una usb booteable de windows 8.1
[05:44] <xenturion> desde xubuntu 14.04
[05:44] <Ben64> xenturion: windows support is in ##windows
[05:44] <DeadxBeat> I just finished building a home server and I'm going to be installing ubuntu on it. I have an 120gb SSD for the main os and swap and a 4TB HDD for media. Can anyone help me with the partitioning please?
[05:45] <xenturion> necesito hacer la usb desde xubuntu
[05:46] <Ben64> xenturion: well support is still in ##windows for windows issues. making a windows boot usb is most definitely a windows issue. they will know the best method to accomplish that goal.
[05:47] <xenturion> el problema es que al instalar xubuntu y estar haciendo pruebas para configurar grub jodi el boot de windows
[05:48] <Ben64> xenturion: this channel is for English language only
[05:50] <DeadxBeat> Anyone?
[05:50] <Ben64> DeadxBeat: are you having a problem with the partitioning?
[05:51] <rohan_> I am trying to run a server at startup, it fails, when I look at the boot log I get a can't start /var/run/screen Permission Denied, how can I fix this?\
[05:51] <DeadxBeat> Ben64: Well when I installed ubuntu I chose a guided partitioning with LVM for my 120GB SSD. I'm not sure how to add my 4TB HDD to the LVM since its GPT and fdisk doesnt support it
[05:51] <Ben64> rohan_: can you pastebin the full command and error you're getting
[05:52] <rohan_> Not sure the command as it is part of the script to start my bukkit (minecraft) server
[05:52] <rohan_> error on boot.log is
[05:52] <rohan_> * CraftBukkit was not already running. Starting...
[05:52] <rohan_>  * Using map named "world"...
[05:52] <rohan_> Cannot make directory '/var/run/screen': Permission denied
[05:52] <Ben64> DeadxBeat: so you already have ubuntu installed?
[05:52] <luis_> bye
[05:53] <DeadxBeat> Ben64: Yes but i'm willing to reinstall it. I was looking for a recommended partition scheme for a general server(web/file/etc) so i only want the OS and swap on the SSD and everything else on the HDD
[05:53] <histo> rohan_: you on a vps?
[05:54] <rohan_> histo: what is vps?
[05:54] <rohan_> I am running my own box in front of me
[05:54] <DeadxBeat> I've never configured a server with multiple hard disks before so im not sure about what filesystems to use and mounting points
[05:54] <histo> rohan_: k I've seen that error with people using certain hosting providers
[05:54] <histo> DeadxBeat: do you want to use raid?
[05:54] <rohan_> histo: gotcha. nope, my own older box here
[05:54] <Ben64> DeadxBeat: i don't think ssd is a good place for swap. you probably don't need to reinstall. i don't use lvm myself, but if i were you i'd mount the new drive in a new location, like /mnt/stuff, or /home, or however you prefer
[05:55] <rohan_> running 14.04
[05:55] <histo> DeadxBeat: What are you going to store on the 4tb drive?
[05:55] <histo> !partition | DeadxBeat
[05:56] <DeadxBeat> histo: Eventually I want to use raid as i plan on adding more 4tb disks; But for now i just have the SSD and one HDD and I will be storing videos/music/websites
[05:56] <DeadxBeat> !GParted
[05:57] <histo> DeadxBeat: then you may want to use the 4tb as a mount in /home somewhere.
[05:58] <histo> DeadxBeat: don't worry about it at install you can always mount it later
[05:58] <rohan_> histo: from looking around, looks like I might need a timer to delay the screen startup?
[05:59] <syntroPi> Does somebody know a trustworthy ppa for totem 3.12??
[06:01] <DeadxBeat> What filesystem would you recommend for the 4TB HDD? I tried ext4 but parted doesnt support ext4 apparently
[06:01] <histo> rohan_: sleep
[06:01] <histo> DeadxBeat: yeah it does
[06:02] <histo> DeadxBeat: just stick with ext4 for now.
[06:03] <DeadxBeat> "No Implementation: Support for creating ext4 file systems is not implemented yet."
[06:04] <DeadxBeat> When i run mkpartfs primary ext4 0GB 4001GB
[06:04] <histo> DeadxBeat: what are you using getting that error?
[06:04] <Ben64> DeadxBeat: you can format after
[06:04] <histo> DeadxBeat: partition the drive then mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdX#
[06:05] <rohan_> histo: you think that putting sleep for a time would work okay? I don't know how to find where it is called
[06:05] <syntroPi> DeadxBeat, maybe you can do it similar to this here? http://www.ctheroux.com/2012/06/initializing-a-brand-new-disk-with-parted/
[06:05] <histo> rohan_: I don't know what your script does.  If you want it to wait for a certain ammount of time use sleep # of seconds
[06:07] <rohan_> histo: here is the init'd script: http://pastebin.com/upeBUfJJ
[06:09] <rohan_> histo: would the script call screen, or the server that is java? If so perhaps I put the sleep before the call to java?
[06:09] <DeadxBeat> Should i use LVM for a server(if i plan on switching to RAID later on)
[06:09] <histo> rohan_: yeah it's calling screen what is the error again?
[06:10] <histo> rohan_: why on earth they are using screen is beyond me though.
[06:10] <Ben64> rohan_: you should maybe find a better script
[06:11] <histo> that is just silly, perhaps they haven't heard of nohup
[06:11] <Ben64> its minecraft people, they only use linux because you can easily get a linux vm
[06:12] <histo> ahhh
[06:12] <rohan_> histo: Here is the error:
[06:12] <rohan_> * CraftBukkit was not already running. Starting...
[06:12] <rohan_>  * Using map named "world"...
[06:12] <rohan_> Cannot make directory '/var/run/screen': Permission denied
[06:12] <rohan_> histo: the call in the script is line 183
[06:12] <syntroPi> maybe even http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/en/man8/start-stop-daemon.8.html
[06:12] <histo> rohan_: can your bukkit user use screen?
[06:13] <histo> rohan_: no it's line 184... but try running screen as bukkit
[06:13] <rohan_> histo: I how do I check, and more importantly, how do I allow them to
[06:13] <Ben64> type "screen"
[06:13] <rohan_> the bukkit user is only for the server called bucket
[06:13] <histo> rohan_: how did you create bukkit?
[06:14] <rohan_> I don't recall now :-(
[06:14] <rohan_> histo I type screen, and it says I can't open the terminal
[06:14] <histo> rohan_: su bukkit -c screen
[06:15] <rohan_> histo: Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/23' - please check. is the response as bukkit
[06:15] <histo> rohan_: how did you create the bukkit user?
[06:15] <rohan_> histo: how can I give bukkit permission
[06:15] <rohan_> histo: I don't recall :-(
[06:16] <histo> grep bukkit /etc/passwd
[06:16] <histo> rohan_: ^    what does that command say
[06:16] <rohan_> histo: bukkit:x:1001:1001::/home/bukkit:/bin/bash
[06:17] <Elengil> i would think a very minimized interface could be useful for some of the smaller game servers...
[06:17] <histo> rohan_: interesting..  groups bukkit
[06:17] <histo> Elengil: what do you mean?
[06:18] <xGLaDER> Hi! I'm trying to solve the issue w/ having a shared Dropbox folder over my different operating systems. I thought mounting the harddrive holding the dropbox folder would solve the issue but it seems like there's something more I need to do in order for Ubuntu to "find it". Anyone who knows what I might have to do?
[06:18] <rohan_> histo: perhaps remove that user, and recreate?
[06:18] <histo> rohan_: what is the output of 'groups bukkit'
[06:19] <DeadxBeat> So i used mkpartfs primary ext4 0GB 4001GB and it created the partition now how do i change it to ext4 and mount it as /home?
[06:19] <histo> DeadxBeat: are you still installing?
[06:19] <rohan_> histo: bukkit : bukkit
[06:20] <histo> rohan_: log in a terminal as bukkit and try running screen
[06:20] <rohan_> histo: Idid
[06:20] <rohan_> I did
[06:20] <histo> rohan_: and the error?
[06:20] <DeadxBeat> histo: no, i've already installed using guided partitioning with LVM on the main 120gb SSD
[06:20] <rohan_> Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/23' - please check.
[06:20] <histo> DeadxBeat: are you going to be serving media on this drive?
[06:21] <histo> DeadxBeat: why not mkdir /srv/media   and mount it there.
[06:21] <histo> rohan_: screen -ls as bukkit
[06:21] <DeadxBeat> Not the SSD. Just the 4TB HDD that i added, i also want it as the location apache reads from instead of /var/www
[06:21] <rohan_> histo: same error
[06:21] <histo> rohan_: did you su bukkit or actually log in?
[06:21] <rohan_> I su
[06:22] <histo> rohan_: exit out of that ctrl+d and login as bukkit
[06:22] <Ben64> rohan_: is this a local computer or...?
[06:22] <histo> Ben64: he said it was local.
[06:22] <rohan_> Ben, yes I am on it now
[06:23] <histo> rohan_: it's because the user's screen is protected and you are tunneling through another user
[06:23] <rohan_> histo: error was No sockets found /var/run/screen/S-bukkit
[06:23] <Ben64> rohan_: is it actually ubuntu? like you popped in an ubuntu cd/dvd/usb and installed? or is it mint, or kali, or elementaryos, or...?
[06:23] <DeadxBeat> ext4 is still not working
[06:24] <Ben64> DeadxBeat: define "not working"
[06:24] <histo> DeadxBeat: what do you mean?
[06:24] <rohan_> Ben64: fully legit 14.04
[06:24] <rohan_> Ben64: upgraded from 13.10
[06:24] <Ben64> rohan_: ok, then do what histo suggests and actually log into bukkit user
[06:24] <DeadxBeat> Well, i tried the mkpart primary ext4 1 -1 and when i run print it still shows as ext2
[06:24] <histo> rohan_: please log in a console as bukkit and it should work
[06:24] <rohan_> Ben64: I just did to get that last error message
[06:24] <histo> DeadxBeat: lsblk
[06:24] <histo> DeadxBeat: find the NAME of your 4tb drive partition
[06:25] <histo> DeadxBeat: then mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdX#   to format it
[06:25] <rohan_> histo: I am not tracking. I logged out of here, in as bukkit, entered screen -ls and it came back No sockets found /var/run/screen/S-bukkit
[06:25] <histo> rohan_: good now type screen
[06:26] <Ben64> histo: whats the other thing that is similar to lsblk but needs root?
[06:26] <rohan_> histo: it did work that time
[06:26] <histo> Ben64: blkid ?
[06:26] <rohan_> so, does the script need a sleep?
[06:26] <Ben64> histo: thanks!
[06:26] <histo> Ben64: fdisk -l?
[06:26] <histo> rohan_: okay your script is silly
[06:27] <rohan_> histo: bummer, it isn't my script :-/.
[06:27] <Ben64> indeed. starting a minecraft server does not need a 500+line script
[06:27] <Ben64> java -jar blah.jar
[06:27] <Ben64> done.
[06:27] <histo> lol
[06:27] <histo> rohan_: write your own script
[06:27] <rohan_> Ben64: I had tied that, BUT then the server started with a mess
[06:27] <Elengil> wow, i didnt know that NTFS was quite that forward thinking...
[06:27] <rohan_> histo: I had one, the server would start but threw an error message and no one could help
[06:28] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> I was wondering if anyone could help me in awesome wm as it displays military time and i want it to show standard time I looked around a lot and cant find anything
[06:28] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> HELP
[06:28] <rohan_> histo: Ben64 My script was this: http://pastebin.com/wJzE2QsS
[06:29] <histo> GuyThatNeedsHelp: thats probably in your rc.lua somewhere
[06:29] <rohan_> histo: BUT when the server started it thre an error, and no one knew why
[06:29] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> histo: Yes yes
[06:29] <Ben64> rohan_: that is still very strange
[06:31] <histo> GuyThatNeedsHelp: look at teh mywibox  section
[06:31] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> the what?
[06:31] <histo> GuyThatNeedsHelp: in your rc.lua file
[06:32] <histo> GuyThatNeedsHelp: ~/.config/awesome/rc.lua
[06:32] <histo> robairt: the chdir part is wrong
[06:33] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> -- {{{ Wibox
[06:33] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> -- Create a textclock widget
[06:33] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> mytextclock = awful.widget.textclock({ align = "right" })
[06:36] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7719919/
[06:37] <histo> GuyThatNeedsHelp: change the local format line
[06:37] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> change it to?
[06:39] <histo> GuyThatNeedsHelp: change %H:%M  to just %I:%M %p
[06:39] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> local format = format or " %a %b %d, %H:%M "
[06:39] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> what the heck
[06:39] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> I CAN READ MINDS
[06:40] <histo> GuyThatNeedsHelp: yeha should be local format = format or " %a %b %d, %I:%M %p "
[06:40] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> local format = " %a %b %d, %H:%M "
[06:40] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> but change it to just
[06:40] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> local format =  %a %b %d, %H:%M "
[06:40] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> right?
[06:40] <histo> yeah just like I typed
[06:41] <histo> local format = format or " %a %b %d, %I:%M %p "
[06:42] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> YES
[06:42] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> :histo THANK YOU
[06:43] <histo> GuyThatNeedsHelp: np it's using date format... if you man date you can see why that worked
[06:44] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> thanks military time made me mad
[06:45] <histo> I prefer it but whatever floats your boat
[06:47] <histo> and i3wm
[06:47] <xGLaDER> Hi, I tried to do a backup of all my files to my server and all the files containing "special chars" i.e. é, ö, etc. got "Invalid Encoding". Why is that?
[06:50] <blueingress> xGLaDER, who  and why create the file
[06:51] <xGLaDER> blueingress: Sorry, come again?
[06:51] <blueingress> xGLaDER, who create the file?
[06:52] <nicolas__> hi guys: I can t read jpeg pictures on ubuntu, do you know if I have to convert it on odt or do I have to donwload a picture reading app, or a codec pack...
[06:52] <xGLaDER> I did. I dragged and dropped the files from my disk to the server in "Files".
[06:52] <blueingress> xGLaDER, maybe you shoulc check the time and the owner.
[06:53] <linuxuz3r> what are containers in openstack
[06:53] <dkorras> hi all, can anyone please help me setup ifplugd so that eth0 starts on boot and switches to wlan0 when cable unplugged and then backto eth0 and disable wlan0
[06:54] <xGLaDER> blueingress: I figured it was an issue w/ the encoding being different in Ubuntu in comparison to DSM (running a Synology NAS). But I've never had an issue using Windows.
[06:54] <histo> dkorras: did you check out the link I gave you yesterday or the day before?
[06:55] <dkorras> ,histo, yes i still cant get the wlan0 to automatiically start
[06:57] <histo> dkorras: did you bond the interfaces?
[06:57] <dkorras> no, just allow-hotplug on wlan0
[06:58] <dkorras> histo, can you please send me that link again, iw ill remove all the config and try ifplugd again
[06:58] <nicolas__> on ubuntu I can't read JPG pictures, how do it please ? THX
[06:59] <dotDeb> shotwell doesn't open them?
[07:02] <xGLaDER> nicolas__: What is the issue? Can't click them, won't show up when doing so?
[07:05] <nicolas__> Pictures re from my android phone. M on my ubuntu 14 computer and I can t read them cause they re in JPG. Do I have everytime to convert them in PNG OR does it exist a kind of codec who automaticly permit me to read it ? Thanks for your help xGlader
[07:07] <nicolas__> ok I ve found Thanks xGlader ;-))
[07:14] <dkorras> histo, now the bond interface wont start on boot, cant find device bond0
[07:28] <lclc> which version of Ubuntu has a C++11 compiler by default (not 12.04)?
[07:31] <cylonmath> For 14.04, I have GCC 4.8
[07:32] <lclc> Yes I hope so, but what was the version Ubuntu version with a C++11 compiler?
[07:32] <lclc> how can I figure that out?   (I do not have an Ubuntu, but I'm rewriting some install-doc files ATM)
[07:39] <meek_geek> hi
[07:46] <ackley> Greetings, how would you like to earn $500 per day?
[07:47] <Beldar> ackley, Don't spam the channel.
[07:51] <cadefy> how can i stop my laptop from going blank (logging out after 10mins or so??)
[07:52] <svetlana> Hi. It is in power saving preferences.
[07:53] <cadefy> it says never suspend tho
[07:54] <svetlana> It is probably a "blank the monitor after..." setting, not suspend.
[07:56] <Hxxx> what other ways you guys use to connect to remote linux desktops? other than ssh tunneled vnc, or solus vnc.
[07:57] <xenoa> adidas network
[08:08] <dididodo> hi... can i install a amd64 version on a i386 box (=backward compatibility)?
[08:13] <_95A31_> Hi guys, I just installed catalyst  but  after restart I have not backlight, in this conditions I can not login. Can someone help me?
[08:14] <lclc> dididodo: that would be upward compatibility (amd64 is 64bit, so newer). WIll not work afaik
[08:17] <dididodo> lclc ... ok thanks
[08:17] <lclc> you can try to build it on your own if you dont find a package :)
[08:18] <nos09> just changed static ip via etc/interface. but i am afraid nameserver is not resolved can anybody tell me how to do that ?
[08:19] <lclc> nos09: http://askubuntu.com/questions/203261/editing-dns-nameservers-in-etc-network-interfaces-without-a-restart
[08:20] <lclc> second line, add something like this dns-nameservers <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:21] <nos09> lclc, thanks i saw that .. somehow missed it !! bad nos09.
[08:21] <lclc> :D
[08:29] <chrirc> hi ...i just installed ubuntu 14.04 and want to install ubuntu restricted extras but it says that ..oxideqt-codecs must be removed....what is that package? will i have problems if i remove it?
[08:47] <haiwei> hello everyone
[08:47] <Energy> hello little jew who take creation for african people because you are tightwad !!!
[08:49] <abcminiuser> Hi guys, strange issue here
[08:49] <abcminiuser> I have a custom ARM toolchain I've just downloaded and put into ~
[08:50] <abcminiuser> I've added the path to it to $PATH, and I can run it from the command line
[08:50] <abcminiuser> But my makefile tries to run the same command, and shows a "command not found" error for the exact same binary
[09:01] <iceburnt> hi, what music player you installed the most?
[09:02] <bekks> Good morning ladies and gentlemen, soomeone please can tell "what happened" to my grub, since the menu entries still show "/boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-30-generic" but I get a "file not found" until I change them to "/vmlinuz-3.13.0-30-generic"?
[09:05] <pea_> Help. I'm dying
[09:08] <pea_> ubuntu how to install android app
[09:08] <bekks> pea_: you cant.
[09:08] <edition> can't you use qemu?
[09:09] <PhilippeGeek> edition: use virtualbox
[09:09] <edition> or virtualbox
[09:09] <PhilippeGeek> edition: what is your problem ?
[09:10] <edition> nothing
[09:11] <edition> Qemu can emulate the ARM chip used for an Android device...
[09:11] <pea_> thank you
[09:12] <Elpopov> hi !
[09:12] <sveta> hi Elpopov
[09:12] <iceburnt> could you tell me that is there any application like minilyric in ubuntu?
[09:13] <Elpopov> Is this a room for support if problems are directly linked to Ubuntu, or could I find help on wider problems here ?
[09:13] <Elpopov> Thank you
[09:14] <bekks> Elpopov: This is the room you are looking for.
[09:14] <sveta> on wider problems too; ask
[09:14] <Elpopov> Thanks a lot
[09:16] <Elpopov> I got some connectivity problems.We're two in the house running Ubuntu Gnome, and the other don't have the same problem
[09:16] <Elpopov> wich is
[09:16] <Elpopov> I can't access any secured website with a password. (ie mailbox, Facebook, Bank....)
[09:17] <pea__> Which brother can help an iPhone to me?
[09:17] <Elpopov> I've tried with Firefox and Chromium, same result
[09:18] <Elpopov> The strange thing is i can access them for a very short time if I erase cookies etc....
[09:18] <bekks> pea__: Can you rephrase that please?
[09:18] <nos09> pea_, the brother with ming.
[09:20] <Elpopov> (If you think of any other room more fitted to the request, i'd gladly go there and ask)
[09:20] <Elpopov> thank you
[09:21] <nos09> Elpopov, is it shtml pages that you are not able to access ?
[09:22] <Elpopov> Yep, but only the ones that need login and password, it seems
[09:22] <Elpopov> For example, I got no problem with Duckduckgo
[09:23] <nos09> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/41067/cant-access-secure-sites/
[09:23] <nos09> Elpopov, I think that is the problem, is it not ?
[09:25] <Elpopov> I've tried most of these, or there equivalent with Firefox
[09:25] <Elpopov> And when I erase cookies, I can acces the sites for a very short time
[09:26] <Elpopov> And strangely, I had this problem for a week, then it was fine for two, and it started again two days ago...
[09:26] <nos09> Elpopov, i'd imagine you are not getting ssl certificates properly.
[09:28] <nos09> Elpopov, for a try try setting up your time/date (maybe?)
[09:28] <Elpopov> they're correct
[09:31] <Elpopov> it's really strange, it was working again today for like two houres, and then, not anymore
[09:31] <gelos> Hello (:
[09:32] <gelos> Got a lil question for you experts if you don't mind (:
[09:32] <bekks> gelos: so just ask.
[09:32] <gelos> Basically I want to download the entire packages archive so users with not internet access would be able to get them from local server
[09:33] <gelos> no*
[09:33] <gelos> is there a way to create a local mirror or something of that kind?
[09:33] <edition> are these offline users using windows?
[09:34] <bekks> edition: which would be pointless when asking in an ubuntu channel :)
[09:34] <gelos> ubuntu Desktops and some servers
[09:34] <edition> just asking
[09:34] <bekks> gelos: you can create a package mirror.
[09:35] <gelos> something like this ? http://www.packtpub.com/article/create-local-ubuntu-repository-using-apt-mirror-apt-cacher
[09:36] <bekks> gelos: No, by using apt-mirror
[09:37] <bekks> gelos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Rsyncmirror
[09:40] <gelos> Thanks @bekks
[09:42] <karooga> Hi, I'm trying to cross build packages for armhf.  Anyone had experience with this?
[09:42] <dings> What would be the easiest way for me redirecting trafic comming in on wlan0 to a local socks proxy?
[09:42] <Elpopov> thanks anyway guys !
[09:44] <monkwitdafunk> where can i get the 14.04.0 repositories?
[09:45] <monkwitdafunk> i want to be running a system as soon as i patch and get network time protocol
[09:45] <bekks> monkwitdafunk: So which ubuntu are you running, currently?
[09:48] <monkwitdafunk> i was running precise alternate and trusty desktop
[09:48] <makemyday>  good day ..
[09:48] <makemyday>  i have problem with my usb wireless adapter i  i cant install my driver for realtek 802.11n rtl892cu wlan adapter on my backbox..
[09:49] <monkwitdafunk> should there be a domian address just for downloading torrent files for ubuntu supported software?
[09:49] <makemyday> theres an error while installing install.sh
[09:49] <makemyday> here's the error
[09:49] <makemyday> rtl8192_8188CU_linux_v3.0.2164.20110715/os_dep/linux/os_intfs.c
[09:49] <makemyday> rtl8192_8188CU_linux_v3.0.2164.20110715/os_dep/linux/pci_intf.c
[09:49] <makemyday> rtl8192_8188CU_linux_v3.0.2164.20110715/os_dep/linux/recv_linux.c
[09:49] <makemyday> rtl8192_8188CU_linux_v3.0.2164.20110715/os_dep/linux/sdio_intf.c
[09:49] <makemyday> rtl8192_8188CU_linux_v3.0.2164.20110715/os_dep/linux/usb_intf.c
[09:49] <karooga> I'm trying to "apt-get install crossbuild-essential-armhf" but I keep getting "crossbuild-essential-armhf : Depends: libc6-dev:armhf but it is not installable" - any ideas?
[09:49] <makemyday> rtl8192_8188CU_linux_v3.0.2164.20110715/os_dep/linux/xmit_linux.c
[09:49] <makemyday> rtl8192_8188CU_linux_v3.0.2164.20110715/os_dep/osdep_service.c
[09:49] <makemyday> rtl8192_8188CU_linux_v3.0.2164.20110715/runwpa
[09:49] <makemyday> rtl8192_8188CU_linux_v3.0.2164.20110715/wlan0dhcp
[09:49] <makemyday> rtl8192_8188CU_linux_v3.0.2164.20110715
[09:49] <makemyday> Authentication requested [root] for make driver:
[09:49] <dings> makemyday: paste in a pastebin of some kind
[09:49] <makemyday> make ARCH=i386 CROSS_COMPILE= -C /lib/modules/3.11.0-24-generic/build M=/home/someone/Linux/150M Linux/RTL8192CU_8188CUS_8188CE-VAU_linux_v3.0.2164.20110715/driver/rtl8192_8188CU_linux_v3.0.2164.20110715  modules
[09:49] <makemyday> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.11.0-24-generic'
[09:49] <makemyday> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `Linux/RTL8192CU_8188CUS_8188CE-VAU_linux_v3.0.2164.20110715/driver/rtl8192_8188CU_linux_v3.0.2164.20110715'.  Stop.
[09:49] <makemyday> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.11.0-24-generic'
[09:49] <makemyday> make: *** [modules] Error 2
[09:49] <makemyday> Compile make driver error: 2, Please check error Mesg
[09:50] <makemyday>
[09:50] <makemyday> please help me
[09:50] <bekks> monkwitdafunk: USe a pastebin first.
[09:51] <bekks> !pastebin | monkwitdafunk
[09:51] <bekks> monkwitdafunk: Sorry, tab fail. :)
[09:52] <bekks> !pastebin | makemyday
[09:53] <makemyday> here http://paste.ubuntu.com/7720536/
[09:54] <dings> Would iptables be the correct tool to look into to redirect trafic from wlan0 to a local socks4 proxy? (or is there a way to do this with routes?)
[09:56] <makemyday> bekks; ubottu; here the link http://paste.ubuntu.com/7720536/
[10:01] <cristian_c> Hi
[10:01] <cristian_c> how can I know which gpu drives the display?
[10:01] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[10:01] <bekks> cristian_c: lspci -k
[10:01] <riqo> what's this
[10:02] <cristian_c> bekks, no, it shows the active gpus
[10:02] <bekks> cristian_c: Which is the same, effectively.
[10:02] <cristian_c> bekks, I was told it's not the same
[10:02] <cristian_c> here
[10:02] <bekks> cristian_c: By whom?
[10:03] <bekks> cristian_c: And whats the actual support question behind that?
[10:03] <cristian_c> Vyse007
[10:03] <cristian_c> bekks, it needs to know what command to use to disable the discrete gpu
[10:03] <bekks> cristian_c: So which GPUs do you have, actually?
[10:04] <cristian_c> bekks, 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS880M [Mobility Radeon HD 4200 Series] [1002:9712] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Madison [Radeon HD 5000M Series] [1002:68c1] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[10:05] <makemyday> ubutto: can you help me
[10:05] <cristian_c> bekks, both active
[10:05] <ManchesterUK> Hi All, is this the help forum please?
[10:05] <bekks> cristian_c: And which one is the "discrete" on you are talking about?
[10:05] <ManchesterUK> Ive just moved from Windows 7 to Linux as suggested by a friend
[10:05] <cristian_c> bekks, they use at the same moment the radeon drivers (this is the reason of 90°C)
[10:06] <bekks> cristian_c: And which one is the "discrete" on you are talking about?
[10:06] <k1l_> ManchesterUK: this is the technical ubuntu support channel. the forums are on ubuntuforums.com
[10:06] <anudas> put question
[10:07] <ManchesterUK> Thanks. Maybe this is the right place for my question, Im running Ubuntu 14.04LTS 64bit on a Toshiba R840 laptop and sometimes my laptop will just hang, the fan kick in and everything freeze. Only way to stop this is a battery pull. Never did it in Windows
[10:07] <cristian_c> bekks, 5000 if I remember well
[10:07] <anudas> ManchesterUK: its hardware problem
[10:07] <bekks> cristian_c: There is no way to disable that one when it is using the same driver as the onboard GPU. All you can do is to remove it from your computer.
[10:08] <cristian_c> bekks, it's a laptop
[10:08] <ManchesterUK> Anudas - Even though it never did it in Windows? Made me think it could be a driver issue?
[10:08] <cristian_c> bekks, and why?
[10:08] <bekks> cristian_c: Why what?
 cristian_c: There is no way to disable that one when it is using the same driver as the onboard GPU. All you can do is to remove it from your computer.
[10:09] <bekks> cristian_c: Because there is no way to do so, as I just told you.
[10:09] <anudas> ManchesterUK:  i mean, its hardware problem
 cristian_c: Because there is no way to do so, as I just told you.
[10:10] <anudas> ManchesterUK: you can try to use live cds of different os
[10:10] <cristian_c> bekks, I don't understand
[10:10] <cristian_c> bekks, I don't see reasons
[10:11] <cristian_c> bekks, why different drivers yes and same drivers no?
[10:11] <bekks> cristian_c: Thats nothing I cant change then. There is no way to do so, if you dont believe in it, you may participate in the OSS community and program your own way.
[10:11] <cristian_c> bekks, but you say 'no' and nothing
[10:12] <cristian_c> bekks, where is it this info?
[10:12] <bekks> cristian_c: Where is which info?
 bekks, why different drivers yes and same drivers no?
 cristian_c: There is no way to disable that one when it is using the same driver as the onboard GPU. All you can do is to remove it from your computer.
[10:13] <bekks> cristian_c: Ok, I am getting tired of explaining things again and again just in reply to you pasting what I just said. Good luck. And stop pasting the things I just said again and again.
[10:13] <cristian_c> bekks, you have repeated 'no', but you have linked no info
[10:13] <makemyday> may i know if debian is better than kali linux?
[10:13] <cristian_c> only 'no'
[10:14] <cristian_c> I can doubt, at this moment
[10:14] <k1l_> makemyday: thats better to ask in ##linux as this question is not an ubuntu issue
[10:14] <cristian_c> So, I've not received a reply about the problem
[10:14] <bekks> cristian_c: I am not going to comment that any further to you.
[10:14] <cristian_c> bekks, ok, I'll aks to other users
[10:15] <cristian_c> *ask
[10:15] <cristian_c> if they know
[10:15] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[10:16] <makemyday> K1l_: ok thanks :)
[10:30] <Sven_vB> cristian_c, i've read above, but couldn't easily find what problem you're trying to solve, like what would make you want to disable one gpu. could you explain?
[10:31] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, 90°C
[10:31] <cristian_c> overheat
[10:31] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, both the gpus are active at the same moment
[10:31] <makemyday> debian or linux mint?
[10:31] <cristian_c> lol
[10:32] <cristian_c> makemyday, ?
[10:32] <k1l_> makemyday: neither: ubuntu (or ask in ##linux like ltold you last time)
[10:33] <k1l_> cristian_c: look into the driver and if that can make use of disabling one gpu
[10:33] <cristian_c> k1l_, I'd like to use vga_switcheroo
[10:33] <cristian_c> k1l_, but I've found difficulties with the wiki page
[10:33] <cristian_c> in the ubuntu wiki
[10:34] <k1l_> the tell where exactly you got some difficulties
[10:34] <makemyday> what is better? debian or linux mint?
[10:34] <cristian_c> k1l_, a user has given me this command: lspci -vnnn | perl -lne 'print if /^\d+\:.+(\[\S+\:\S+\])/' | grep VGA
[10:34] <cristian_c> k1l_, ok, I link the paragraph
[10:34] <bubble_beam> heylo
[10:35] <Sven_vB> cristian_c, so paste the output of that command to pastie or ghostbin and show us
[10:35] <bubble_beam> i have multiple lan cards in my system
[10:35] <k1l_> makemyday: stop that. this is a technical ubuntu support channel and that sort of qeustions are offtopic
[10:35] <bubble_beam> one on board and one external
[10:35] <bubble_beam> so when i type ifconfig eth0
[10:35] <Sven_vB> bubble_beam, use less lines per sentence
[10:35] <bubble_beam> Sven_vB, okay
[10:35] <cristian_c> k1l_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics#Using_vga_switcheroo
[10:36] <bubble_beam> when i use ifconfig eth0, its hardware adress is shown with full 0's . what should i do about it
[10:36] <bubble_beam> ?
[10:36] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS880M [Mobility Radeon HD 4200 Series] [1002:9712] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Madison [Radeon HD 5000M Series] [1002:68c1] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[10:36] <Ben64> cristian_c: if your real problem is overheating, then solve that. don't focus on the gpus
[10:36] <k1l_> cristian_c: where is you problem? is it the wiki page? you cant read it?
[10:36] <Sven_vB> cristian_c, i really meant every part of my request for the output.
[10:37] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, but it makes no sense, because it shows tow gpus instead of one
[10:37] <k1l_> cristian_c: you have 2 gpus.
[10:37] <Sven_vB> bubble_beam, paste the relevant parts of ifconfig's output to a pastebin so we can see it in context
[10:37] <cristian_c> Ben64, gpus is the reason of the overheating -,-
[10:37] <cristian_c> *are
[10:37] <Ben64> cristian_c: incorrect
[10:38] <cristian_c> Ben64, it's correct, instead
[10:38] <Sven_vB> actually, the reason is the gpus working, converting power to heat
[10:38] <Ben64> cristian_c: no, it isn't. a computer will not overheat normally from having the gpu enabled
[10:38] <cristian_c> Ben64, two gpus enabled
[10:38] <cristian_c> not one
[10:38] <Sven_vB> but i think it's valid to shorten that to "the gpus"
[10:38] <Ben64> cristian_c: thats what its designed for, its fine
[10:39] <cristian_c> k1l_, I don't know what command to use to disable the discrete gpu
[10:39] <bubble_beam> Sven_vB, its a different system
[10:39] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, ok, what command, then? :)
[10:39] <Ben64> cristian_c: you should hop over to ##hardware and see if you can solve the overheating problem. likely by taking apart the laptop, cleaning it out
[10:39] <Sven_vB> bubble_beam, then you might have to transfer the output over some network channel
[10:40] <Sven_vB> cristian_c, the command probably was right, you just missed the part about pastie/ghostbin
[10:40] <bubble_beam> well Sven_vB the hardware adress is shown as 00:00:00:00:00:00
[10:41] <Sven_vB> bubble_beam, i see, and what value would you prefer?
[10:41] <cristian_c> Ben64, not, usually with various method , in ubuntu it's possible disable one of these
[10:41] <bubble_beam> something valid
[10:41] <bubble_beam> its original mac adress Sven_vB
[10:42] <Ben64> cristian_c: but it won't even solve your problem. focus on the actual problem, not your assumed solution
[10:42] <cristian_c> Ben64, it's a software problem, windows has already the solution to manage them
[10:42] <Sven_vB> bubble_beam, is the original MAC printed on the device?
[10:42] <bubble_beam> yep
[10:42] <cristian_c> Ben64, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
[10:42] <bubble_beam> Sven_vB, yep
[10:42] <Ben64> cristian_c: but it won't even solve your problem. focus on the actual problem, not your assumed solution
[10:42] <Sven_vB> bubble_beam, one idea would be to use MAC spoofing to insert that MAC
[10:43] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, I don't know, I don't remember the regexs
[10:43] <Sven_vB> cristian_c, so i read it's a laptop, and i agree, fix the hardware first. you wouldn't want to have to rely on software working properly just to avoid physical damage.
[10:48] <p137> hey suche ein programm für die erstellung grafischer oberflächen.
[10:49] <Sven_vB> (translating p137:) hey i'm looking for a program to create GUIs
[10:49] <p137> Thx
[10:51] <Sven_vB> if there are no other constraints (that you might want to add), you could start with inkscape
[10:52] <p137> Thank you, i need something for c++
[10:52] <cristian_c> Ben64, many users have solved the problems with this methods
[10:52] <cristian_c> *these
[10:53] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, you are right, but windows has not these problems because it manages the two gpus
[10:53] <p137> Inkspace looks like Adobe Photoshop xD
[10:54] <cristian_c> ubuntu does not this by default
[10:55] <Sven_vB> cristian_c, back when i used windows, there was a possibility it crashed and hung in ways it wouldn't even update keyboard LEDs. also i had cases where it would reboot and not properly restart until i confirm stuff near bootloader stage. i wouldn't want to rely on the graphics driver being able to manage gpus in those states.
[10:56] <reny> gdfgdf
[10:56] <reny> heellloo
[10:56] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, beyond the clean of the pc (that must be done regularly), a correct management of the gpus can get teperature lowers
[10:56] <cristian_c> :)
[10:57] <Sven_vB> indeed. i'm reading up on the logs to see whether you pastebinned the gpu list while i was away ;)
[10:57] <bitcoinassassin> Inkscape, perhaps?
[10:58] <Sven_vB> ok, those logs aren't up to date yet
[10:58] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, ok, but this is the solution that users usually use
[10:58] <cristian_c> why can't I use this solution too?
[10:59] <Ben64> cristian_c: because it still isn't a solution to the problem
[10:59] <Ben64> cristian_c: just curious though, how do you know its overheating
[11:00] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, I've missed your command. This command returns only these info on another pc. This command: lspci -vnnn | perl -lne 'print if /^\d+\:.+(\[\S+\:\S+\])/' | grep VGA
[11:00] <cristian_c> Ben64, system has an indicator to show the temperature
[11:00] <Ben64> cristian_c: well don't believe it
[11:00] <cristian_c> lol
[11:01] <Ben64> amd does not report actual temperatures
[11:01] <Ben64> nothing to "lol" about
[11:01] <cristian_c> it's very strange, it's easy hear the fan noise
[11:01] <cristian_c> and if a pc is hot or not
[11:01] <Sven_vB> cristian_c, as i read in the wiki, that switching only works with the open drivers. an easy way would be to test whether the non-free driver does other magic to manage heat better. (i assume you can use non-free since you compared windows.)
[11:02] <Ben64> my amd cpu is reporting 24°C right now
[11:02] <Ben64> which is impossible
[11:02] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, no, I talk about radeon drivers, the open ones
[11:02] <cristian_c> Ben64, cpu? O.o
[11:02] <Ben64> yes, amd makes cpus
[11:02] <cristian_c> very strange
[11:03] <Ben64> they've made cpus for quite a while
[11:03] <Ben64> in fact, you have one in your laptop
[11:03] <Ben64> the point is, don't believe the number
[11:04] <Sven_vB> also i agree with don't rely on internal heat displays only. if in doubt, rent a infrared thingy from the toolstore. one of my nvidias used to run at 30~32°C for 8 hours and then within 1 second go to constant 129°C. suuuuure
[11:04] <cristian_c> Ben, in this moment 46°C with an amd cpu
[11:04] <cristian_c> *Ben64
[11:05] <Ben64> cristian_c: ok?
[11:05] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, on my computers, I've always found realistic temperatures
[11:06] <Ben64> well i'm telling you, amd doesn't do realistic
[11:07] <Sven_vB> cristian_c, so, did you decide whether to compare the non-free driver?
[11:07] <cristian_c> Ben64, ok, you say your amd cpu temperature is not realistic (24°C)
[11:07] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, in that laptop, there are no closed drivers
[11:07] <Ben64> cristian_c: so you have 3 options. 1) open laptop and clean it, maybe re-do thermal paste. 2) try fglrx 3) do nothing
[11:07] <cristian_c> in Additional drivers
[11:08] <Ben64> cristian_c: what version of ubuntu?
[11:08] <Sven_vB> 4) take it to a shop to have thermal conductivity fixed
[11:08] <Ben64> Sven_vB: yeah i guess, i always do my own work though, that didn't even cross my mind :)
[11:09] <arun__>
[11:10] <arun__> iii
[11:10] <arun__> l
[11:10] <Ben64> arun__: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[11:10] <arun__> hai
[11:10] <arun__> ya i hava some doubts
[11:11] <cristian_c> Ben64, how I said before the 1st option is very good and mandatory, but it's surely a software problem, also cleaning the laptop
[11:11] <makemyday> how to format usb that is write protected?
[11:11] <Ben64> cristian_c: it surely is not a software problem
[11:11] <cristian_c> an upper temperature respect windows
[11:11] <arun__> that default player ask plugin? how its rectify?
[11:12] <cristian_c> Ben64, it's a software problems, many many cases and experience of users tell that
[11:12] <Ben64> cristian_c: well you are incorrect
[11:12] <cristian_c> Ben64, 12.04
[11:12] <arun__> i need that plugin code
[11:12] <Ben64> cristian_c: try 14.04 and this ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/HybridGraphics
[11:12] <cristian_c> Ben64, fglrx is unable for these gpus on the 12.04
[11:13] <arun__> i am using 13.10
[11:13] <cristian_c> Ben64, nothing isn't a solution for overheating problems
 4) take it to a shop to have thermal conductivity fixed
[11:13] <arun__> hello ban64 rply me
[11:13] <cristian_c> I've not understood :O
[11:13] <Ben64> arun__: i have no idea what you're talking about
[11:14] <Ben64> cristian_c: if it really is overheating, then it is a hardware problem. if you take it to a shop, they can repair it
[11:14] <kostkon> arun__, install the ubuntu-restricted-extras package
[11:14] <arun__> i cant play any mp3 in Rhythm box,
[11:15] <cristian_c> Ben64, in 14.04 always two active gpus ath the same moment
[11:15] <k1l_> !codecs | arun__
[11:15] <cristian_c> *at
[11:15] <Ben64> cristian_c: again, follow the instructions in the link i gave you
 cristian_c: well you are incorrect
[11:15] <cristian_c> why?
[11:15] <arun__> k i ll try it
[11:16] <cristian_c> Ben64, the overheating is due to two active gpus
[11:16] <cristian_c> instead of one
[11:16] <cristian_c> windowsw disable one or the other
[11:16] <cristian_c> *windows disables
[11:17] <Ben64> cristian_c: i've explained this at length already. this is the very very last time i will do so. overheating is a hardware problem. it is not a software problem. it is a hardware problem. it is not due to two gpus. the laptop was designed with two, so it can have two without overheating. also, the temperature reported by amd is incorrect and it may not be overheating at all
[11:18] <cristian_c> Ben64, in the page yopu have linket, there is: AMD systems:    fglrx or fglrx-updates
[11:18] <cristian_c> (14.04)
[11:18] <cristian_c> Ben64, yes, the laptop is designed with tw gpus, but they are managed
[11:18] <Ben64> cristian_c: i'm aware of what i linked to, yes. that is the driver that amd makes for their gpus, it will manage them
[11:19] <cristian_c> the problem is that in ubuntu I've to set this config
[11:19] <cristian_c> Ben64, I've already told you that no closed drivers are present in Additinal drivers
[11:19] <cristian_c> *additional
[11:20] <Sven_vB> cristian_c, sounds like your laptop, unfortunately, is not designed to work with ubuntu
[11:20] <Ben64> cristian_c: thats why i suggested installing 14.04
[11:20] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, why?
[11:20] <cristian_c> Ben64, in 14.04 closed drivers are not present for these gpus
[11:20] <Sven_vB> cristian_c, a lot of vendors just don't care to make them compatible.
[11:20] <cristian_c> in 'addtional drivers'
[11:21] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, many users solve this problem with varous methods: bumblebee, vga_switcheroo, etc...
[11:21] <cristian_c> windows users are lucky
[11:21] <cristian_c> *various
[11:21] <Sven_vB> for strange definitions of "lucky"
[11:22] <Sven_vB> probably "replying on luck"
[11:22] <Sven_vB> *relying
[11:22] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, because windows drivers already manage this problem automatically
[11:22] <Sven_vB> i mean, i used windows myself some years ago, and still help some windows users make their windows suck less
[11:23] <cristian_c> hybrid graphics
[11:23] <Sven_vB> cristian_c, i still prefer a volounteer-driven OS. it might take a bit longer to get drivers, and not every hardware is compatible, but for my use cases it's still much less worrisome.
[11:24] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, ok, bujt these solution are third-party
[11:24] <cristian_c> *but
[11:24] <Sven_vB> cristian_c, also, if you prefer paid solutions, you're free to hire someone or some agency to provide you with drivers
[11:24] <cristian_c> *solutions (sorry for the typos)
[11:24] <Sven_vB> or to pay the graphics card vendor for providing them
[11:25] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, I'm not saying I want paid solutions, I only reply to ben64 criticism
[11:25] <Ben64> you haven't tried anything and you're all out of options
[11:25] <cristian_c> and to the questions made to me
[11:25] <Ben64> everything suggested to you in the past 24 hours has been met with "nope"
[11:26] <Ben64> so you're free to do what you want, good luck
[11:26] <bitcoinassassin> ... so why do you keep helping
[11:26] <CodeGosu> do amd APU's like Kaveri work fine with WebGl under ubuntu?
[11:26] <bitcoinassassin> I mean it's admirable; but ........
[11:26] <Ben64> this is my graceful exit, bitcoinassassin :)
[11:26] <cristian_c> Ben64, how can I isntall the closed drivers (if there aren''t in the repositories)?
[11:26] <bitcoinassassin> ;-)
[11:26] <cristian_c> *official
[11:26] <bitcoinassassin> Ben64, believe me, I've been there
[11:26] <cristian_c> Ben64, what are you reffering to?
[11:27] <bitcoinassassin> .... sometimes I think "If I just had a long enough stick . . . "
 everything suggested to you in the past 24 hours has been met with "nope"
[11:27] <cristian_c> *referring
[11:28] <bitcoinassassin> so... adding a 3tb drive as a back up drive .... I should just use gparted to format . . . running 14.xxx 64 bit
[11:28] <bitcoinassassin> that was a question
[11:28] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, any other ideas?
[11:28] <Ben64> bitcoinassassin: gparted is perfect for that
[11:29] <Ben64> bitcoinassassin: automatically aligns partitions for best performance
[11:29] <bitcoinassassin> Ben64, that's what I did and it seems to be fine; but there is 5gb at the front of the drive occupied by I don't know what
[11:29] <Ben64> bitcoinassassin: can you show that somehow? pastebin/screenshot ?
[11:30] <bitcoinassassin> Ben64, no, it's on a home server; I think I might have mucked it up trying to do a manual format before I researched the subject .... shoot first, ask questions later
[11:30] <Sven_vB> cristian_c, nope, doesn't look like suggestion will make you approach a solution
[11:31] <bitcoinassassin> Ben64, sorry, and I am on a laptop at my local cafe
[11:31] <bitcoinassassin> forgot that part
[11:31] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, ok, I've said that cleaning is helpful, but it's not enought to obtain good temoratures
[11:31] <Ben64> bitcoinassassin: then i'm not sure. could be reserved blocks, you may have slid the partition start over 5G, or... idk what else
[11:32] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, because it occurs that the discrete gpu is disabled :)
[11:32] <bitcoinassassin> Ben64, yeah, sorry - I will ask later when I'm at home and can post a screen shot
[11:32] <Ben64> bitcoinassassin: no problem
[11:32] <Sven_vB> cristian_c, then i misread, i thought you had cleaned it already. i meant that software solution suggestions don't seem to work within the constraints you set
[11:33] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, ok, clean up done too, but it get the temoerature down, but not enough
[11:33] <cristian_c> because both are active
[11:34] <cristian_c> *gets
[11:34] <Sven_vB> cristian_c, yeah. looks like that (version of your) hardware just isn't made for the Ubuntus available.
[11:34] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, the problem is that no suggestions has been written to disable the gpu :)
[11:35] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, yes, but many users have solved with the method I've listed before
[11:35] <cristian_c> *methods
[11:36] <Sven_vB> if irc can't guess how they did it, you'll have to ask someone who succeeded to do it
[11:36] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, with these methods: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
[11:36] <cristian_c> not irc methods
[11:37] <cristian_c> *told on irc channel
[11:38] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, bumblebee, vga_switcheroo, acpi_call, etc...
[11:38] <Sven_vB> well, they seem to not work for you, and seems like IRC can't make them work for you
[11:39] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, no, I don't know if vga_switcheroo is working or noit
[11:39] <cristian_c> *not
[11:39] <Sven_vB> i'd just sell that notebook and re-invest in easier compatible hardware
[11:39] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, I've to try, yet
[11:39] <Sven_vB> oh, ok, then do that
[11:40] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, you are right, hp + dual amd gpu is very bad
[11:40] <cristian_c> *gpus
[11:41] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, no, I entered in #ubuntu to know what command use to disable it
[11:41] <cristian_c> :(
 oh, ok, then do that
[11:41] <Sven_vB> so you want to try vga_switcheroo and don't know how to try it?
[11:42] <cristian_c> because the section (using vga_switcheroo) in the wiki page'it's not very clear for me (the right command to type)
 so you want to try vga_switcheroo and don't know how to try it?
[11:42] <cristian_c> Yes, I've asked this in these days
[11:43] <infinity_> alias hidelevels.set set activity_hide_level parts joins quits nicks modes
[11:43] <cristian_c> but I get always strange replies or absurd  (as the ben64 replies, but in particular, he about each argument)
[11:44] <Sven_vB> well, the wiki says: To test if vga_switcheroo is enabled, look for the switch file: ls -l /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch
[11:44] <infinity_> "/alias hidelevels.set set activity_hide_level parts joins quits nicks modes"
[11:44] <Sven_vB> so if ls can show you the file it's active
[11:44] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, I've already checked it in past
[11:45] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, the switch file is present :)
[11:45] <cristian_c> with sudo ls -l /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch
[11:45] <Sven_vB> then gratis, it's probably working
[11:45] <Sven_vB> *grats
[11:45] <cristian_c> else, it returns denied permission
[11:45] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, no, the wiki page says to type the commands
[11:46] <cristian_c> the check of the switch is only the first step
[11:46] <Sven_vB> so which command would you want to try, or which action to trigger?
[11:46] <cristian_c> 'Enabling vga_switcheroo' and then 'Using vga_switcheroo'
[11:46] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, ok, this is the pioint :)
[11:46] <cristian_c> *point
[11:47] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, it's not clear what command is right for me
[11:47] <cristian_c> this I asked in the past days
[11:48] <Sven_vB> maybe xrandr can help. show us the output of "xrandr" on http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[11:48] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, ok, but xrandr shows the screens
[11:48] <cristian_c> not the gpu
[11:48] <cristian_c> :)
[11:49] <Sven_vB> yeah, i just poke in the dark and maybe it shows any hints of which GPU is used
[11:49] <cristian_c> I've tried but this doesn't help :(
[11:50] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, but i thank you for the help you have tried to give me
[11:50] <Sven_vB> oh, "Turns off the graphics card that is currently disconnected." sounds good
[11:50] <Sven_vB> try that
[11:50] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, yeah, I've had the same doubt
[11:50] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, an user, yesterday has told me:
[11:51] <kanha_> Hi
[11:52] <cristian_c> cristian_c: How is it confusing? You are using only one of the two GPUs right now. Even if they both are ON, only one of them is being used to drive the output. So this command will just switch OFF the one that is not driving any output.
[11:52] <cristian_c> cristian_c: They both are ON, and which one is driving your display?
[11:53] <cristian_c> Vyse007, how can I know which gpu drives the display? :)
[11:53] <cristian_c> cristian_c: what does this command give you? lspci -vnnn | perl -lne 'print if /^\d+\:.+(\[\S+\:\S+\])/' | grep VGA
[11:53] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, ok
[11:53] <Sven_vB> probably with the command above "Allows you to verify the current state of the hybrid graphics."
[11:54] <cristian_c> Allows you to verify the current state of the hybrid graphics. Typically, there will be two lines of output - one should indicate "Pwr" and the other should indicate "Off".
[11:54] <cristian_c> ah, ok
[11:54] <alexa> When do we expect touch this year?
[11:55] <alexa> I mean Ubuntu touch
[11:56] <Sven_vB> cristian_c, in case we can't solve it soon, please open a forum thread where you keep the first post updated with what you have already tried and what has been suggested, so that when you ask again on IRC, you don't have to repeat it all and users can more easily see an overview.
[12:03] <Sven_vB> does anyone know of this channel's logs that are updated more real-time than those linked in the topic?
[12:10] <DJones> Sven_vB: None that I'm aware of, as long as the logbot that deals with them hasn't fallen off IRC, those logs should be updated on the hour
 cristian_c, in case we can't solve it soon, please open a forum thread where you keep the first post updated with what you have already tried and what has been suggested, so that when you ask again on IRC, you don't have to repeat it all and users can more easily see an overview.
[12:12] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, I don't know if this works but I check surely :) I've already submitted the problem to my locoteam wiki editors
[12:12] <cristian_c> in the my locoteam forum
[12:12] <cristian_c> -the
[12:12] <cristian_c> *localized forum
[12:13] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, anyway, I can open a topic in the international ubuntu forum
[12:13] <cristian_c> :)
[12:13] <cristian_c> thanks
[12:14] <Sven_vB> nah, better use the existing thread, else it will be harder to keep them all up to date
[12:14] <Sven_vB> if you already have a thread for it on the loco forum, you could show us that… well if it's public of course
[12:14] <UnHolyTerror> I have a Dell (Latitude, 64bit) that when plugged into the mains only runs at 800MHz. If I boot unplugged it runs at 1900 MHz (that's the max). Soon as I plug it in it drops again. Anyone seen anything like this? Should I be looking for something obvious? I didn't notice anything in the BIOS but...
[12:15] <cristian_c> Sven_vB, the existing thread is in italian language :P
[12:15] <cristian_c> it's not very useful for english users :P
[12:15] <Sven_vB> oh ok, yeah then a thread in english will help. :))
[12:16] <cristian_c> ok
[12:16] <cristian_c> In bad case I'll do so :)
[12:19] <linuxius> hello! my brother laserprinter (@ airport express) won't print. on a different machine with ubuntu it works. here is the error_log (paste.ubuntuusers.de/419232). can anyone help?
[12:23] <priuon> hello. Is it legal behavior of an app to change modification flags by itself as gmusicbrowser does? (I would deem it illegal ...)
[12:24] <Sven_vB> priuon, probably depends on your jurisdiction ;)
[12:24] <priuon> Sven_vB, how can i prevent such behavior?
[12:25] <Sven_vB> priuon, dunno, i opted for just not using gmusicbrowser
[12:25] <Sven_vB> priuon, maybe an SE linux policy can help
[12:25] <priuon> Sven_vB, gmusicbrowser seems rather well written
[12:25] <Sven_vB> priuon, i'm not sure what you meant with midification flags, could you explain?
[12:26] <Sven_vB> *modi…
[12:26] <priuon> Sven_vB, i had files 440 and gmusicbrowser would change them.
[12:26] <priuon> Sven_vB, chmod +
[12:27] <Sven_vB> oh, file access permissions then. well it's easy, use gmb on a read-only version of your collection. you can make one on-the-fly with bind mounts.
[12:27] <Sven_vB> application permissin frameworks like SE linux might help, too.
[12:28] <priuon> Sven_vB, is a 440 file not read only?
[12:28] <Sven_vB> a better approach might be to re-compile a version where you remove the chmod
[12:28] <priuon> Sven_vB, sounds like a good but time intense solution.
[12:29] <priuon> Sven_vB, i might try changing folder permissions. But i don't see how this is supposed to help
[12:29] <Sven_vB> you'll have to write-protect not the file itself but its directory, or if gmb won't respect that, the entire file system. i'd prefer the latter (a read-only bind mode) as you could still access the files normally from other programs.
[12:30] <Sven_vB> err, bind mount… sorry for my sloppy fingers today
[12:30] <priuon> Sven_vB, it's weird that gmb doesn't have chmod optional btw.
[12:30] <Sven_vB> i'd think it's some strange bug triggering, maybe not directly in gmb
[12:31] <Sven_vB> could be some "share your music easily" solution "fixing" the permissions as it detects any read access
[12:32] <Sven_vB> in worst case, use that new fancy "cgroups" virtualization to make it really only have read access ;)
[12:35] <Sven_vB> and then i remembered user accounts. you could start gmb in an account that doesn't have write access to your stuff, so you won't need a bind mount and still _you_ can change those files.
[12:38] <priuon> Sven_vB, how is the latter done?
[12:38] <priuon> Sven_vB, i really dislike running applications with my accesspriviledges
[12:39] <Sven_vB> priuon, add a user account for gmb, or re-use a low-privilege daemon user if you prefer. setup sudo to allow your desktop user to execute gmb as the gmb user. make a shortcut to invoke gmb via sudo.
[12:39] <serge> bonjour
[12:39] <priuon> that's a apple service is it not serge?
[12:40] <Sven_vB> priuon, depending on access permissions, you might want to make a user group that you share with gmb and chown your music's group to that.
[12:40] <Sven_vB> haha, it just means "hello" in french
[12:40] <Sven_vB> so, hi serge
[12:41] <serge> like  ubuntu  the best
[12:41] <enedil> hi
[12:42] <serge> merci
[12:42] <serge> me from canada
[12:42] <priuon> Sven_vB, i tried setting up some user accounts on mint before with the UNIX administrative tools but didn't succeed in dooing so. I think this case should be less effort as is, am I right?
[12:42] <serge> you
[12:43] <Sven_vB> priuon, just use adduser on the console, avoid any Mint problems
[12:43] <priuon> how do i tell chmod to only change files or folders permissions?
[12:43] <priuon> or is it always done with a find invokation?
[12:43] <nick07> I want to restore a backup, but it looks like I miss the .backup file, I have the .mbr and all the part files, anyone?
[12:46] <priuon> Sven_vB, i have a blind mounted folder now, is it not thoroughly abstracted though? i think it should have the same behavior as the previous folder had, but i'll try..
[12:48] <meek_geek> how can I verify that my ubuntu installation is not compromised ?
[12:48] <domul> lnet
[12:48] <priuon> Sven_vB, so gmb gives an error message now. Can you tell me what the difference is to the unmounted folder?
[12:48] <meek_geek> lnet ?
[12:49] <priuon> does linux check permissions of the mount point folder for all operations within?
[12:49] <priuon> Sven_vB, i am on xubuntu now btw.
[12:52] <whiskers75> meek_geek: `last`?
[12:53] <meek_geek> how can I verify that my ubuntu installation is not compromised ?
[12:53] <meek_geek> whiskers75, ^
[12:54] <whiskers75> meek_geek: run `last`
[12:54] <whiskers75> that lists last logins
[12:54] <meek_geek> ok
[12:54] <meek_geek> then?
[12:54] <whiskers75> pastebin it?
[12:54] <whiskers75> is there anything there that you don't like the look of?
[12:56] <meek_geek> whiskers75, no you are not getting my point I want to verify whether all the packages installed are original from ubuntu
[12:57] <meek_geek> what does pts/1 means ?
[13:01] <enedil> meek_geek: http://www.unix.com/unix-for-dummies-questions-and-answers/8223-what-dev-pts-1-a.html
[13:02] <vak> hi all
[13:03] <vak> how could one disable mdadm no boot? (mdadm runs into an infinite loop and prevents system from booting into Ubuntu) #mdadm isn't any alive now (((
[13:04] <meek_geek> enedil, how r u
[13:04] <vak> i am booting from live CD and am trying to repair Ubuntu that won't boot ((
[13:05] <enedil> meek_geek: hail stallman
[13:07] <JoshDreamland> could anyone tell me if the liblzma-dev package available through apt is the same one available from 7-zip.org/sdk.html?
[13:07] <JoshDreamland> .
[13:08] <meek_geek> enedil, yep did you see aaron's movie?
[13:09] <enedil> meek_geek: nope, so what?
[13:09] <meek_geek> nothing
[13:10] <jellow> meek_geek, if you're checking against corrupt .debs then you can use debsums ( which is in repo )
[13:13] <jellow> meek_geek,  but if you're trying to detect malicious activities / modifications then I recommend you look into tripwire, or aide, integrit, samhain
[13:18] <Sven_vB> re
[13:19] <Sven_vB> priuon, with a read-only file system, folder permissions are either re-arranged so that they even display as read-only, or they may show original permissions any write operation will fail.
[13:20] <priuon> Sven_vB, i noted that the permission flags traverse to the original folder
[13:20] <Sven_vB> priuon, that sounds too complcated for my taste
[13:20] <priuon> Sven_vB, now i really have no clue what has happened. gmb seems to behave legally with both folders now.
[13:21] <Sven_vB> priuon, maybe it wasn't even gmb in the first place. see my speculation about some sharing software.
[13:21] <adamcunnington> Hi,I want to dual boot 14.04 with Windows 8.1 on a barebones machine. An I right in saying if I make a bootable usb for both OS's,I can use ubuntu usb first to use the partition tool but then install Windows first and ubuntu after?
[13:23] <adamcunnington> Also, what partitions would be wise? Ideally data would be shareable across both OSs, it's that possible?
[13:23] <Sven_vB> adamcunnington, data sharing on a partition is the easiest part
[13:24] <Sven_vB> adamcunnington, last time i checked, ntfs support in ubuntu seemed solid
[13:25] <priuon> Sven_vB, thanks for your help.
[13:25] <Sven_vB> yw
[13:26] <AndChat|433929> Sven sorry disconnected, can you elaborate what partitions you'd suggest
[13:27] <meek_geek> jellow, those tools are not documented well
[13:28] <adamcunnington2> Swap, boot, ubuntu system, Windows inc. data?
[13:29] <Sven_vB> well i have /=ext3 /home=ext3 /tmp=ext3 /var/log=ext3 and various data partitions. i don't like swaps.
[13:29] <Sven_vB> i'd prefer /tmp to be a RAM drive if i knew an easy way to restrict its size in a flexible way
[13:30] <jellow> meek_geek, what are you trying to do ?
[13:32] <meek_geek>  ok the problem is a yesterday I did purge smc* ( hoping to remove a gaME CALLED secret mario something ) but it did remove a lot more ( including packages from  xfce4* too ) which i did not notice as i just used the command and went out fr food ; the problem was i guess that it did not ask for confirmation for me the packages and started purging them
[13:33] <meek_geek> I did recover the situation by booting into shell and then installing ubuntu-desktop ( but I believe something is wrong with the installation ) it did remove flash and some plug-ins of libreoffice .. removes java etc
[13:33] <meek_geek> jellow, ^