[05:44] <fabbione> morning
[08:04] <desrt> fabbione; gamin issues still/again
[08:05] <fabbione> desrt: such as?
[08:05] <desrt> desktop not showing new files
[08:05] <fabbione> desrt: that's a gamin/nautilus problem
[08:05] <desrt> nod.
[08:06] <fabbione> if it works for a while and than stop working, blame userland
[08:06] <desrt> ah.  gotcha.
[08:06] <fabbione> it's a flow in the way in which gamin handles the "locks" on dirs to monitor
[08:06] <fabbione> i told upstream
[08:06] <fabbione> he shitted on me
[08:06] <desrt> DV?
[08:06] <fabbione> and i am not going to pick up another discussion with him
[08:07] <fabbione> i think so yeahg
[08:07] <fabbione> it has been a while ago
[08:07] <desrt> he's really bad at being critisised
[08:07] <fabbione> i didn't criticise him
[08:07] <fabbione> i explained to him a problem
[08:07] <fabbione> with all the debugging info
[08:07] <desrt> bugs reports are critisism :)
[08:07] <fabbione> he didn't care
[08:07] <fabbione> there are no bugs
[08:07] <fabbione> and he did run out of arguments
[08:07] <desrt> sigh.
[08:07] <fabbione> so he started complaining about my non-perfect english
[08:08] <desrt> makes you wonder why we all switched from fam
[08:08] <desrt> oh crikey
[08:08] <fabbione> and yes, i know my english is not perfect
[08:08] <desrt> here's a neat question
[08:08] <desrt> what is the problem with applications using libnotify themselves, directly?
[08:08] <fabbione> as i told him.. and he suggest to go to a school
[08:08] <desrt> *inotify
[08:08] <fabbione> and i suggest him to remove a dildo from his $(where the sun doesn't shine"
[08:09] <fabbione> i don't know..
[08:09] <fabbione> i didn't even know it existed such a lib
[08:09] <desrt> it doesn't.  i made a mistake :)
[08:09] <desrt> i meant to say "inotify" but said "libnotify" instead
[08:09] <desrt> hmmmmm
[08:10] <desrt> you gotta figure that almost everything that uses fam uses it via the gnome-vfs
[08:10] <fabbione> gamin uses inotify directly
[08:10] <desrt> which means that you'd just need to add inotify support to gnome-vfs's file method
[08:10] <fabbione> the point is that it does it in a very stupid way
[08:10] <desrt> gamin would be cut out of the picture
[08:10] <fabbione> oh yeah
[08:10] <desrt> and all of its silly problems would go away automatically
[08:10] <fabbione> that would be awesome
[08:10] <desrt> (and hopefully not too many new silly problems are introduced)
[08:11] <desrt> i'm sufficiently intrigued to attempt this
[08:11] <fabbione> desrt: the main issue with gamin are:
[08:11] <desrt> i wonder if robert is around
[08:11] <fabbione> - it doesn't keep an association table between clients and monitored directories
[08:12] <fabbione> - it uses signals even if there is a BIG FAT WARNING TO NOT USE SIGNALS for that kind of thing
[08:12] <fabbione> so it is basically bad designed
[08:12] <fabbione> it is possible to rewrite the code without changing the API
[08:12] <desrt> but why bother?
[08:12] <fabbione> but i really have no interest in doing it
[08:12] <desrt> i mean.. why gam_server?
[08:12] <desrt> the kernel is the new gam_server ala inotify
[08:13] <fabbione> hmm no
[08:13] <desrt> and honestly, i trust the kernel to not screw up an awful lot more than i trust the gam_server
[08:13] <fabbione> there is a difference
[08:13] <fabbione> be careful
[08:13] <fabbione> the kernel provide the feature
[08:13] <fabbione> but you need a link layer between the kernel and the clients
[08:13] <fabbione> inotify has not been designed to be used directly by many clients afaik
[08:13] <fabbione> so you need a "collector" or server
[08:13] <desrt> what else in ubuntu uses libfam other than gnome-vfs?
[08:14] <desrt> ah
[08:14] <fabbione> apt-cache rdepends libfam ?
[08:14] <desrt> hm.  that's an odd one.
[08:14] <fabbione> apt-cache rdepends libgamin0 | wc -l
[08:15] <fabbione> 174
[08:15] <desrt> so you think the kernel will start to suffer if it has to notify several clients of updates to a inode?
[08:15] <fabbione> at least 174 pkgs
[08:15] <fabbione> the point is the info dispatcher
[08:15] <fabbione> example:
[08:15] <fabbione> you change something in dir foo
[08:15] <fabbione> the kernel sends a notification to gamin
[08:16] <fabbione> gamin redistribute it to the clients that are registerd to that dir
[08:16] <fabbione> the last step is clearly not a kernel job
[08:16] <desrt> i don't understand why it isn't
[08:16] <fabbione> the kernel has no need to know how many clients are monitoring a dir
[08:16] <desrt> each client can open inotify for itself
[08:16] <desrt> and the kernel can tell all of them
[08:16] <fabbione> yes, that's correct
[08:16] <desrt> it actually seems silly to me that we have the indirection at all
[08:16] <fabbione> but the point is that inotify will make the kernel suffer during that operation
[08:17] <desrt> it made more sense with dnotify simply because dnotify was such a pain to use
[08:17] <desrt> hmm
[08:17] <fabbione> because you are stalling on kernel execution time
[08:17] <fabbione> when that kind of processing can be done in userland
[08:17] <desrt> i can't imagine it's worse (or better) than O(n)
[08:18] <desrt> plus... we have preempt :)
[08:29] <desrt> oh.  inotify is a syscall these days
[08:29] <desrt> weird.
[08:30] <desrt> that sort of seems a lot more reasonable....
[08:30] <desrt> except that i don't know how you poll for a syscall
[08:32] <fabbione> check how gamin does it
[08:32] <fabbione> the connection between gamin and the kernel is "okish"
[08:32] <fabbione> the issue with gamin is the rest
[08:32] <desrt> i bet the syscall creates an fd
[08:32] <desrt> like socket()
[08:33] <fabbione> iirc they use sysfs
[08:33] <desrt> i can just picture the politics
 include inotify in linus kernel!
 over my dead body if it uses /dev/inotify.  such a hack!
[08:33] <desrt> *weird solution*
[08:34] <fabbione> ehehhe
[08:35] <desrt> yup.
[08:35] <desrt> inotify_init is a new syscall which returns an fd
[08:35] <desrt> then instead of ioctling it you use inotify_add_watch, etc (also new syscalls)
[08:35] <fabbione> yes i saw the syscalls
[08:36] <fabbione> when backporting inotify from .13-rc
[08:36] <desrt> that's perfect
[08:36] <desrt> i really like this design
[08:36] <desrt> still lets you use standard poll/read io loop stuff with it
[08:45] <desrt> wow.  something fantastically bad just happened
[08:45] <desrt> oh.  it's an oops.
[08:58] <fabbione> doko: ping?
[09:00] <fabbione> doko: unping
[09:00] <desrt> something has gone terribly wrong inside the inotify code
[09:01] <desrt> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12987
[09:02] <doko> fabbione: pong anyway
[09:02] <fabbione> doko: thanks i already solved
[09:03] <fabbione> desrt: NOTABUG
[09:03] <fabbione> # define __NR_inotify_init      291
[09:03] <fabbione> # define __NR_inotify_add_watch 292
[09:03] <fabbione> # define __NR_inotify_rm_watch  293
[09:03] <fabbione> wrong syscalls
[09:03] <fabbione> kthxbyw
[09:03] <desrt> uhm
[09:03] <desrt> so userspace calling the wrong syscalls should generate oopses that take out the entire kernel?
[09:04] <fabbione> it is correctly OOPSING to tell you that you are calling the wrong syscall
[09:04] <fabbione> it's not crashing
[09:04] <fabbione> you need to use the inotify include or whatever defines the syscall
[09:04] <fabbione> no need to redifine them
[09:04] <desrt> no... the process goes into uninterruptable sleep
[09:04] <desrt> and then anything else that i try to open oopses from then on
[09:05] <desrt> at best that's a critical security flaw
[09:06] <fabbione> can you try do a syscall on another kernel that's not inotify related?
[09:06] <fabbione> calling syscall that way is delicate
[09:07] <desrt> i'm gonna figure out what actual syscall number causes it
[09:07] <desrt> btw: if i do it from the console, the virtual terminal stops working
[09:07] <fabbione> the 3 syscalls you are using are invalid
[09:07] <fabbione> that's as simple as it gets
[09:07] <desrt> it seems that whatever i am calling trashes the stdin/out/err/tty of the calling process
[09:08] <desrt> it's 291
[09:10] <desrt> inotify_rm_watch ...
[09:10] <fabbione> what arch is that?
[09:10] <desrt> i386
[09:11] <fabbione> asm/unistd.h:#define __NR_inotify_rm_watch      291
[09:11] <fabbione> asm-i386/unistd.h:#define __NR_inotify_rm_watch 291
[09:11] <desrt> nod.
[09:11] <fabbione> #define __NR_inotify_init       289
[09:11] <fabbione> #define __NR_inotify_add_watch  290
[09:11] <fabbione> #define __NR_inotify_rm_watch   291
[09:11] <fabbione> #define NR_syscalls 292
[09:11] <desrt> so i'm calling inotify_rm_watch as a void function
[09:11] <desrt> the inotify_rm_watch syscall doesn't do proper input validation
[09:12] <desrt> i really hope this isn't a problem in the upstream kernel......
[09:12] <fabbione> it is probably
[09:12] <desrt> ok
[09:12] <fabbione> can you try to use another syscall to something completely different?
[09:12] <desrt> i'm gonna figure out exactly what registers i'm passing it and what's on the stack
[09:12] <fabbione> it can be a flaw in inotify
[09:12] <desrt> i think it is a flaw in inotify
[09:13] <fabbione> also.. to use syscalls include asm/unistd.h
[09:13] <desrt> nod.
[09:13] <fabbione> so you don't need to care about numbering
[09:13] <desrt> i just copied those out of gamin
[09:13] <fabbione> you will need kernel includes...
[09:13] <desrt> i have them.  i was just being lazy
[09:13] <desrt> :/
[09:13] <desrt> sort of glad i was though.  found a nice bug :P
[09:14] <fabbione> does the kernel oops with gamin?=
[09:14] <fabbione> debian/patches/sth-fs_inotify.dpatch:+asmlinkage long sys_inotify_rm_watch(int fd, u32 wd)
[09:14] <fabbione> debian/patches/sth-fs_inotify.dpatch:+  int inotify_rm_watch (int fd, __u32 mask);
[09:14] <fabbione> debian/patches/sth-fs_inotify.dpatch:+cond_syscall(sys_inotify_rm_watch);
[09:14] <desrt> SYS_291(0, 0xbf993e00, 0x41111d8a, 0x8048438, 0x8049634)
[09:14] <desrt> ^^ this is the baddy.
[09:15] <fabbione> it's probably easier if i allign the numbers of our kernel
[09:15] <desrt> ya.. probably
[09:15] <desrt> is .13 out yet?
[09:15] <fabbione> desrt: i don't have much time right now
[09:15] <fabbione> i will send you a kernel to test
[09:15] <desrt> fabbione; it's ok.  i'm gonna download and build a vanilla kernel
[09:15] <desrt> oh.  ok.
[09:15] <fabbione> .13 is not out yet
[09:15] <desrt> well, i'll try vanilla too
[09:15] <desrt> this probably isn't ubuntu's fault
[09:15] <fabbione> ok that would be nice
[09:16] <fabbione> it might as well be .. but a double check will save me time
[09:39] <desrt> ok
[09:39] <desrt> problem appears to be in vanilla
[09:39] <desrt> and i've found the source of it
[09:40] <desrt> sys_inotify_rm_watch( int fd, u32 wd )
[09:40] <desrt> struct file *filp;
[09:40] <desrt> struct inotify_device *dev;
[09:40] <desrt> filp = fget(fd);
[09:40] <desrt> if(!filp) return -EBADF;
[09:40] <desrt> /* no check to find out what type of fd filp is */
[09:41] <desrt> dev = filp->private_data;   /* assign unknown datatype to an inotify_device pointer */
[09:41] <desrt> /* all downhill from hear */
[09:41] <desrt> *here
[09:45] <fabbione> desrt: meh....
[09:45] <desrt> should i email LKML or what?
[09:46] <fabbione> mail rlove first
[09:46] <desrt> ok
[09:46] <fabbione> just avoid the speech about different syscall nums
[09:46] <fabbione> use the vanilla one as reference
[09:46] <fabbione> otherwise we will start bouncing emails back and forward about ubuntu kernel being broken
[09:46] <fabbione> when the problem is in vanilla too
[09:47] <doko> fabbione, lamont: did the new curl 7.14 build on sparc and hppa?
[09:47] <desrt> :)
[09:48] <fabbione> doko: is it in universe or main=?
[09:49] <fabbione> well i guess until seb128 will learn to use versioned build-dep, it doesn't really matter..
[09:49] <fabbione> all of gnome on sparc is broken
[09:49] <doko> fabbione: main
[09:49] <fabbione> because it keeps coming up with _XOPEN_SOURCE somewhere
[09:50] <fabbione> doko: it's probably queued
[09:50] <fabbione>   curl_7.14.0-2ubuntu1
[09:50] <fabbione> yeah it is
[10:01] <doko> ok, thanks
[10:02] <fabbione> desrt: ehehhe
[10:02] <desrt> i don't really think there's a need to email andrew morton
[10:02] <fabbione> no i don't think so
[10:02] <desrt> btw
[10:03] <desrt> does 'UPSTREAM' mean upstream has been notified about the issue?
[10:03] <fabbione> desrt: yes
[10:03] <desrt> cool.
[10:04] <desrt> now that that's over and done with
[10:04] <desrt> thanks for your help
[10:04] <desrt> as per usual :)
[10:07] <fabbione> desrt: thanks to you for being so nice!
[10:08] <chmj> morning
[10:08] <chmj> O.O
[10:35] <fabbione> hey chmj
[12:21] <fabbione> doko:
[12:21] <fabbione> configure: error: jni.h could not be found. Mismatch between gcc and libgcj or libgcj-devel missing?
[12:21] <fabbione> (building OO2)
[12:21] <fabbione> what can cause that?
[12:22] <doko> strange. the build-deps are all there. which version do you build?
[12:22] <fabbione> 1.9.116-0.pre1ubuntu1
[12:22] <fabbione> the one in the archive
[12:25] <fabbione> i will forward the build log
[12:25] <fabbione> it's only 300K
[12:26] <doko> ok
[12:29] <doko> ls -l /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/include
[12:29] <doko> ok, we need an update for java-gcj-compat
[12:29] <fabbione> ok :)
[12:29] <fabbione> good to know
[12:29] <fabbione> see.. sparc isn't completely useless :)
[12:29] <fabbione> doko
[12:29] <fabbione> any news about binutils?
[12:30] <doko> what did I forget? :(
[12:30] <fabbione> sparc starts to feel the pressure of building half of the desktop
[12:30] <fabbione> the linking problem?
[12:30] <fabbione> with -Wl,--as-needed?
[12:31] <fabbione> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12822 <-
[12:31] <doko> hmm, I thought that was a libtool/pkgconfig problem, which keybuk and jbailey would address?
[12:31] <fabbione> no no
[12:31] <fabbione> look at the bug
[12:31] <fabbione> there is a simple test case
[12:31] <fabbione> with hello world
[12:32] <doko> ok, I'll look
[12:32] <fabbione> the other bug you are talking about is to do in such a way that gnome doesn't need --as-needed
[12:32] <fabbione> but binutils is still buggy :)
[12:32] <fabbione> on sparc and alpha
[12:33] <fabbione> i need to grab something to eat
[12:33] <fabbione> later
[03:09] <lamont> doko: several timeouts on hppa with defunct processes, during tests
[03:09] <fabbione> hey lamont
[03:09] <fabbione> lamont: any news about ia64?
[03:10] <doko> lamont: java?
[03:10] <lamont> doko: curl
[03:10] <lamont> fabbione: will have news either way in a few hours
[03:10] <fabbione> lamont: ok thanks
[03:11] <doko> lamont: hmm, I suspect, that is the buildd environment, I'll check here locally
[03:12] <lamont> doko: wouldn't terribly surprise me
[05:32] <fabbione> desrt: there is a big bunch of patches in git for inotify
[05:32] <fabbione> one of them is the one we need
[05:32] <fabbione> they will be in for the next upload
[05:50] <desrt> fabbione; ya.  i just got an email from robert :)
[05:50] <fabbione> desrt: i just finished the rediffing
[05:50] <fabbione> :)
[05:50] <desrt> that was my first kernel security vuln
[05:51] <desrt> i'm sort of disappointed that it was already fixed :P
[05:51] <fabbione> ehhee
[06:03] <fabbione> let see if it builds
[06:04] <fabbione> desrt: anyway we should seriously move our kernel talks to #ubuntu-kernel :)
[06:05] <desrt> heh.  i swear i originally came here to talk about the toolchain :)
[06:16] <jbailey> elmo: ping?   Breezy-i386 chroot on concordia seems to have way out of date apt sources.


[04:18] <xubuntu30w> hi
[04:20] <xubuntu30w> using 18.04 here and was wondering if there is any way to remove the desktop grid that prevent me from placing the icons anywhere I want.
[04:28] <appa> is there a reason I wouldn't be able to upgrade 12.04 to 14.04 (and eventually up to 18.04?)
[04:28] <appa> trying to salvage this efika
[05:14] <guiverc> appa, Xubuntu 12.04 LTS had 3 (flavor, 5 years is main Ubuntu) years of supported life; it's release-upgrade tools ceased working shortly after EOL due to location of repos changing b/c of EOL status  - you can re-install using something-else (no format) which is what I'd likely do, otherwise release-upgrade during supported life.
[05:14] <Unit193> !eolupgrades
[05:21] <appa> thanks I've got the EoL updates for precise, but the do-release-upgrade doesn't use EoL for Trusty (14.04)
[05:24] <appa> EOL  Upgrades seems to be about software upgrades not Ubuntu upgrades, or am I misinterpreting?
[05:27] <appa> https://superuser.com/questions/1287000/do-release-upgrade-not-using-old-releases-when-upgrading-from-ubuntu-10-04-to-12
[05:27] <appa> I'm trying to spoof the /etc/hosts to use old-release instead of archive.ubuntu
[05:27] <guiverc> 14.04 is EOL too
[05:28] <appa> yeah I'm working to pivot up to 18.04
[05:28] <appa> it's an old but loved system I'm trying to keep alive
[05:49] <guiverc> appa, fyi:  when you enter room it mentions https://xubuntu.org/releases for supported releases which are on-topic here, yes I've upgraded an eol release before but it was a pain thus I've avoided it since, so don't expect much help here sorry because it's off-topic to room
[05:51] <appa> fair enough, I'm learning as I go, figured there wasn't many places to ask, but I've gotten some goo ideas
[06:52] <pragomer> hi. what is the best way to assign specific programs to specific workspaces?
[06:59] <xubuntu55w> hello....newbie question. i am trying to download the iso file from the mirror websites. How to find out which iso file is the right one for my system please?
[06:59] <xubuntu55w> thsnks in advance
[07:01] <diogenes_> xubuntu55w, what do you mean the right for your system?
[07:03] <xubuntu55w> there are many iso files in the mirror webpage
[07:03] <diogenes_> and what are you pc specs? (cpu/gpu how old is your pc)
[07:06] <xubuntu55w> 3 years old, intel i7-6500, 64 bit, 8 GB RAM
[07:06] <diogenes_> then  xubuntu-18.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso
[07:07] <xubuntu55w> thank you sir. appreciate it. i am assuming 'amd64' has nothing to do with amd processor
[07:08] <diogenes_> of course not, it just means 64 bit system.
[07:08] <xubuntu55w> thanks again
[07:08] <diogenes_> it's called amd because amd was the first to implement this 64 bit technology and you're welcome.
[07:20] <Alabalistic> very strange problem, I left my laptop on for the night only with Hexchar running, and now all the 8 gigs of ram was full and some swap as well.
[08:28] <xubuntu30w> what's the code for moving title window up and down in 'themerc' found in xfwm4 folder when editing a theme ?
[08:29] <xubuntu30w> there is *title_horizontal_offset=0*
[08:29] <xubuntu30w> tried *title_vertical_offset* and did not work
[08:32] <xubuntu30w> nevermind I found it
[13:59] <appa> CorvetteZR1: There is something different about this hardware and how it boots (or different in what I don't understand)  I've been trying to upgrade out of EOL 12.04 but I haven't figured that out yet.  I did notice it's trying to use armel not armhf.
[14:16] <CorvetteZR1> ah, i see.  did you ask someone in #ubuntu or #debian?  maybe someone there can suggest something
[14:22] <appa> I'll check it out, I wanted to say thanks before.  I'm learning a lot about the mechanics I never fully understood before
[14:49] <xubuntu24w> Hola alguien sabe de xubuntu?
[14:50] <diogenes_> !es
[14:52] <Kumool> xubuntu24w: si
[14:52] <CorvetteZR1> da
[14:52] <Kumool> xubuntu24w: cual es tu pregunta?
[14:52] <Kumool> hello diogenes_!
[14:53] <diogenes_> hi Kumool
[14:54] <xubuntu24w> Hola!!   Trate hace poco mas de un mes de pasar de 18:10 y 19:04, y luego de terminar no booteo
[14:54] <Kumool> joins in the nick of time to help xubuntu24w, even if its just redirection, like some sort of superhero
[14:54] <xubuntu24w> Tuve que reintalar el 19:04 y actualizar al 19:10 y ahi me quede
[14:54] <xubuntu24w> Nunca me había pasado eso con una dist ubuntu
[14:55] <xubuntu24w> Ahora no me atrevó a reintentralo
[14:55] <Kumool> xubuntu24w: primero, entra a #ubuntu-es, escribe /join #ubuntu-es
[14:56] <Kumool> xubuntu24w: hay mas gente española ahi, si acaso no te pueda ayudar, alguien mas te ayuda
[14:56] <xubuntu24w> Gracias
[14:59] <Kumool> xubuntu24w: por el momento, no e intentado dar el upgrade a 19.04, pero si mantienes la particion de /home separada, puedes reinstalar xubuntu como si nada
[14:59] <Kumool> tendras que reinstalarlo todo, pero no debes temerle a hacer reinstalaciones
[14:59] <Kumool> xubuntu24w: porque siempre tendras tus datos :)
[15:53] <ScissorLiftFox> I'm in 18.04.2lt i386 right now, trying to burn an iso with xfburn
[15:53] <Guest45> Hi just demonstrating irc for a video don't mind me
[15:54] <ScissorLiftFox> but it always returned the error "Failure: Cannot reserve track of<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes" and ejects the media


[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80731 in xorg (main) "Xorg consuming too much memory in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80731
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80763 in xorg (main) "Feisty Herd 2 LiveCD crashes with 3dfx video card" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80763


[08:23] <arune> I'm following the procedure on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure to nominate a newer package to 16.04 LTS
[08:24] <arune> the bug is this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sssd/+bug/1641203
[08:24] <arune> should I send a mail instead of asking here?
[08:26] <davmor2> arune: depends on the question might be better to send to the ubuntu-devel lists
[08:30] <arune> hm, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure I should mail the ubuntu control team and the email adress is linked on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol
[08:30] <arune> the email address is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>which I first have to be a member of to be able to send a mail
[08:31] <davmor2> arune: yes then email that list
[08:31] <arune> davmor2, I can't, I have to join the team!
[08:32] <davmor2> You shouldn't need to you should be able to send to it but it will wait for authorisation before it is displayed
[08:39] <arune> thanks davmor2, I'll try then
[10:29] <rbasak> arune, davmor2: for bug nominations, I think asking on IRC is far easier. And people usually respond within a few hours.
[11:03] <arune> rbasak, ok! then I want to nominate this bug for SRU: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sssd/+bug/1641203
[11:03] <arune> then I just hang around and get some feedback or?
[11:06] <rbasak> Looking
[11:08] <rbasak> arune: Xenial is already nominated, so consider that step of the proess complete. You can tell it's nominated because "Xenial" appears underneath ding-libs and sssd at the top, and has a Status (Triaged in this case).
[11:08] <rbasak> arune: note that it'd be normal to SRU just a backport of the fix for this particular bug. Usually we don't backport a newer version wholesale.
[11:10] <arune> aha, so I'd have to test patching the source for the correct packages
[11:13] <rbasak> Right
[11:37] <arune> rbasak, can you help me figure out which packages I need to patch? sssd is a metapackage which I assume does not have any source but just depends on the good stuff, and ding-libs I cant even find
[11:42] <rbasak> arune: sssd the binary package is a metapackage. But sssd the source package contains everything (and generates all the binary packages, including the sssd binary metapackage but also the contentful others)
[11:43] <rbasak> ding-libs also exists as a source package but there is no binary package called ding-libs
[11:43] <rbasak> arune: use "pull-lp-source ding-libs xenial" and the same for sssd.
[11:44] <arune> rbasak, ok, I'll test as soon as possible
[11:45] <arune> rbasak, and when I have done that I just ping here again and it can be brought up for consideration?
[12:13] <rbasak> arune: attach debdiffs to the bug and subscribe ~ubuntu-sponsors. That'll add it to http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/index.html. Then use the #ubuntu-devel channel to talk about the bug - technically this channel is for bug triage only.
[12:54] <arune> rbasak, what do you mean exactly with "subscribe ~ubuntu-sponsors"? a mail list subscription?
[12:55] <rbasak> arune: use "Subscribe someone else" from the web bug view.
[12:55] <rbasak> arune: and put "ubuntu-sponsors" in the box (without the tilde)
[12:55] <arune> rbasak, aha, thanks!
[12:55] <rbasak> arune: please only do that after you have attached debdiffs ready to upload to the bug.
[12:56] <arune> ok ok
[14:36] <arune> rbasak, sorry for not needing help, but I can't find the diffs for the changes mentioned on https://pagure.io/SSSD/sssd/issue/2751#comment-224593
[14:37] <arune> according to https://code.launchpad.net/sssd the git repos should be at git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/sssd.git but that seams to be dead, maybe just right now
[14:39] <arune> fatal: unable to connect to git.fedorahosted.org:
[14:39] <arune> git.fedorahosted.org[0: <IP_ADDRESS>]: errno=Connection timed out
[14:39] <arune> git.fedorahosted.org[1: <IP_ADDRESS>]: errno=Connection timed out
[14:39] <arune> oh, maybe they moved to github


[00:30] <bobo123> to have flash-cookies deleted each time I run firefox I changed the command for the firefox-command in the Program menu to     bash -c 'rm -rf ~/.adobe; rm -rf ~/.macromedia; firefox %u'    instead of just    firefox %u      and it seems to work. Are there any bad side effects by doing this, or are there a better way to do this?
[01:04] <stlsaint> bobo123: a script to run at logout would do that for ya
[01:05] <bobo123> stlsaint: how do I do that?
[01:06] <Masamune> Erp... beginner user here, think I've snafu'd my bootloaders, can't boot into anything or from livecd, anyhelp?
[01:06] <stlsaint> Masamune: please explain what you did
[01:07] <bobo123> stlsaint: ah. you mean a script that runs automaticly (somehow) when I logout from ubuntu?
[01:08] <stlsaint> bobo123: sure
[01:08] <Masamune> was reinstalling 10.04 and decided to shift the 'mount point'? The bit that tells your computer which place to boot from, before now I've set it to the :/ and it's worked, this time I put it in HDA7 with the install, installed everything fine but when I restarted it just gave me Error: File Not Found - Grub Rescue>
[01:09] <Masamune> Checked online and I can't boot from Ubuntu 10.04 live cd and I don't have windows install disk
[01:09] <bobo123> Masamune: you should be able to boot from the livecd at least, since it doesn't depend on the grub bootloader. booting from cd only depends from bios-settings (some computers wants you to press a key for example F10 to get the bios'es boot-from-what menu)
[01:10] <Masamune> I set bios to boot from cd first, used the boot menu and it didn't work.
[01:10] <Masamune> I tried disabling all other boot devices and it just tells me that it is not a system file or something like that and to replace it with bootable media
[01:11] <bobo123> but it tries to read from the cd at least?
[01:11] <Masamune> Yeah it tries, I got as far as the blinking dash which lasts for a minute or so then it just drops out.
[01:11] <stlsaint> Masamune: are you able to try a usb?
[01:12] <Masamune> Not right now, that will have to be for tomorrow.
[01:12] <Masamune> I'm just wondering what the method will be?
[01:12] <Masamune> I've found stuff online describing how to reinstall the bootloaders where they should be but they have all required me to boot from live CD, I'm not even entirely confident that USB booting will work.
[01:13] <stlsaint> Masamune: yes if you are unable to boot from the harddrive, cd, or usb than i cannot currently think of  away to do anything less you do a network boot
[01:13] <stlsaint> but thats for installing mainly
[01:15] <Masamune> I have a USB boot option and Network something but I'm using an old eMac so I don't know if I'll be able to set up a bootable usb.
[01:15] <stlsaint> Masamune: this drive have data you need to save on it?
[01:16] <Masamune> If at all possible yes
[01:16] <Masamune> brb
[01:16] <bobo123> btw...
[01:16] <duanedesign> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Using%20CLI%20to%20Boot
[01:16] <bobo123> are you sure it doesn't boot from the cd but somehow hangs?
[01:18] <duanedesign> if itboots to grub-rescue> you could try the 4 commands listed on that link
[01:18] <Masamune> I should have written down the error message, I remember it being something along the lines of : No bootable media found. or something like that.
[01:19] <Masamune> Duandesgin, I'll have to try that, I tried something similar earlier but it some of the commands could not be found.
[01:20] <Masamune> Also, it's always booted from that CD before, not sure why it stopped this time, by the looks of things if I could boot to cd I could fix this pretty easily using the stuff that's about online.
[01:21] <Masamune> Thanks for the help :D
[02:16] <harrison> hello
[02:57] <harrison> hello?
[03:05] <stlsaint> my network doesnt work under my lucid
[03:08] <yax51> hey I cant seem to play dvds...Ive tried movie player, GNOME Mplayer and about to try Mplayer....but nothing has seemed to work...
[03:09] <head_victim> yax51: have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[03:16] <yax51> Victory!!!! Thanks!
[03:55] <tenach> Is there a way to make Empathy comply with my blocked user lists that are set up on the native protocols? People I've blocked on YIM can message me if I'm using Empathy, but can't if I'm using the chat in their web mail.
[06:34] <tenach> If I installed ubuntu, then xubuntu, can i remove the ubuntu metapackage?
[06:35] <tenach> Would that mess things up?
[06:40] <seidos> I've never tried it.  Only one way to find out!
[06:40] <seidos> but I'm not going to do it.  I've already tried too much stuff to break this thing.
[06:41] <seidos> at least for the time being
[06:41] <seidos> I'm kind of comfortable with how well it's working
[06:41] <pedro3005> by ubuntu metapackage you mean ubuntu-desktop?
[06:41] <pedro3005> I don't think it ever hurts to remove it
[06:41] <pedro3005> but I don't know
[06:42] <tenach> Okay.
[06:42] <tenach> A friend of mine put Ubuntu on their netbook, then installed the xubuntu packages.
[06:42] <tenach> Doesn't want to use the NBR
[06:42] <seidos> I've installed the xubuntu-desktop package
[06:43] <seidos> why doesn't he want to use NBR?
[06:43] <IdleOne> you can safely remove ubuntu-desktop package but if/when upgrading to a new version of ubuntu you will want to install it again, it could cause problems if missing.
[06:44] <IdleOne> !purexfce
[06:44] <ubot2> If you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce »
[06:54] <tenach> seidos, doesn't like the NBR interface.
[06:54] <seidos> tenach, oh
[09:45] <Silver_Fox_> o/
[11:33] <nogrill> hello?
[11:36] <Silver_Fox_> Hello nogrill
[11:37] <nogrill> following problem: metacity kept on crashing and I got a little impulsive, so i would eventually remove it with all of its dependencies trying to switch to the "mutter" alternative because it was the first the synaptics offered. now i ended up with a not booting gui and a networkless console-mode :( help?
[11:41] <nogrill> whoops... I almost forgot, it's a ubuntu 10.04 system
[11:42] <Silver_Fox_> Have you tried sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start ?
[11:44] <nogrill> what would it do ?(sry, there's only this machine available right now, so i will take notes and the try my look when rebooting it ;) )
[11:46] <Silver_Fox_> It restarts gdm
[11:47] <nogrill> :( gdm does start but i don't get past it...
[11:51] <nogrill> i get no desktop...am just dragged back to the login screen
[11:51] <Silver_Fox_> Oh, I misundestood. Sorry
[11:53] <nogrill> :) i don't really know how to describe what went wrong entirely because i don't know what the dependencies were... ;) maybe i should have written them down
[12:07] <nogrill> :) i got an idea....thx for takin the time.
[13:57] <philinux>  My Problem: Router resets after one minute from cold switch on. After that it's ok
[14:54] <hobgoblin> so any uk people (or anyone who possibly might know) have any idea why a bt homehub fails badly with nfs ?
[15:05] <philinux> Hi hobgoblin You asked that yesterday lol
[15:05] <hobgoblin> yep - and I will ask again if I get no answer
[15:05] <philinux> Try asking in ##networking
[15:06] <hobgoblin> I'd need to set the damn thing up to do that ... they's want information - not sure if I can go without music for that long lol
[15:08] <philinux> Whats going wrong
[15:09] <hobgoblin> it fails to read the nfs drives
[15:09] <hobgoblin> not sure tbh - I shall have one more go at the weekend
[15:09] <hobgoblin> possibly it's a firewall in the router doing it
[15:10] <hobgoblin> old netgear has no problems with it - and of course phoning BT will be completely pointless
[15:11] <philinux> Did you have to recompile the kernel
[15:11] <hobgoblin> whatever for?
[15:11] <philinux> Ah that was the old days lol
[15:12] <Silver_Fox_> If in doubt always recommend recompiling kernal
[15:12] <Silver_Fox_> Basic rule of thumb
[15:12] <hobgoblin> possibly, been using nfs for a few years without issue
[15:14] <hobgoblin> philinux: ty for the channel anway - I shall set the thing up and get as much info as I can before I go there
[15:15] <philinux> hobgoblin: would upnp work
[15:15] <hobgoblin> believe I tried that
[15:16] <hobgoblin> but I am sort of fairly sure it is some stupid firewall rule ... and I also need to change the IP addresses it gives
[15:33] <hobgoblin> hi swoody
[15:33] <hobgoblin> can we help you :)
[15:36] <philinux> hobgoblin: Edification: what does chanserv gives voice mean
[15:37] <Mohan_chml> hobgoblin, we surely can help swoody
[15:37] <Mohan_chml> (:
[15:37] <hobgoblin> just exactly that, there are some voiced people in here and some not
[15:37] <philinux> voiced?
[15:37] <slidinghorn> philinux, it's for members of the Beginners Team
[15:37] <philinux> ah ok
[15:38]  * slidinghorn is in beginners team limbo
[15:38] <hobgoblin> it used to be that this was the team channel and at one point we made meetings so that only voiced people would be able to talk
[15:38] <slidinghorn> :-P
[15:38]  * hobgoblin has wandered away from the fold
[15:38]  * Mohan_chml needs hobgoblin back to the team
[15:38] <hobgoblin> seeing if the grass is greenererer
[15:38] <hobgoblin> Mohan_chml: would like not need ;)
[15:39] <Mohan_chml> ?_?
[15:39] <hobgoblin> personally hobgoblin does not need the obnoxious and pompousness that took over
[15:39] <Mohan_chml> ;_;
[15:39] <hobgoblin> so will just wander in and help and wander out again
[15:39] <philinux> What obnox and pomp?
[15:40] <hobgoblin> philinux: stuff
[15:40] <philinux> ok
[15:40] <hobgoblin> don't worry :)
[15:40] <philinux> Who are the mods in here ?
[15:41] <hobgoblin> there are a couple of irc ops idling in here - and a few of the voiced members have ops
[15:41] <hobgoblin> but if stuff needs doing then a shout in ubuntu-beginners-team usually wakes someone up
[15:42] <philinux> can you tell who are irc ops from the sttus icons in right pane?
[15:42] <hobgoblin> no
[15:42] <Mohan_chml> philinux, why you need ops here??
[15:42] <Mohan_chml> ops names*
[15:42] <hobgoblin> I just happen to know some of them
[15:42] <philinux> Just learning IRC
[15:42] <philinux> Bit green in these parts
[15:43] <philinux> ops names*
[15:43] <hobgoblin> only rarely did I ever need to use ops in here when I had it
[15:43] <hobgoblin> there's a permatroll that visits from time to time but mostly it's a good channel
[15:43] <philinux> hob not just in here other channels etc
[15:44] <Mohan_chml> philinux, you mean you want to know the acces list of a channel??
[15:44] <hobgoblin> well I don't know for sure in a general sense
[15:45] <philinux> Just want to know how has ops in any channel for info. Does it show in the right pane of people singed in
[15:45] <hobgoblin> no
[15:46] <philinux> Ah
[15:46] <philinux> It currently says 1 ops 67 total
[15:46] <hobgoblin> that is chanserv
[15:47] <Mohan_chml> philinux, what client you are using?
[15:47] <hobgoblin> in xchat green node is ops - yellow is voiced
[15:47] <philinux> xchat
[15:47] <hobgoblin> then ^^
[15:49] <philinux> Ah ok. I guess some are eligile to take ops
[15:49] <hobgoblin> and of course afaik freenode staff can take ops anywhere they want
[15:50] <hobgoblin> nhandler would answer that one if he was about
[15:51] <nhandler> Need me?
[15:52] <nhandler> You can see who has OP access in a channel with: /msg chanserv access #channel list
[15:52] <hobgoblin> I knew you'd know
[15:52] <hobgoblin> :)
[15:53] <philinux>  /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-beginners list
[15:53] <philinux> err
[15:53] <Mohan_chml> philinux, lol
[15:53] <hobgoblin> remove the space philinux
[15:54] <philinux> What space. Need more coffee kettle is on
[15:54] <hobgoblin> at the beginning
[15:55] <philinux> Blimey
[15:56] <duanedesign> in a default install does the category Applications --> Other  have any application launchers?
[15:56] <hobgoblin> not afaik duanedesign
[15:56] <duanedesign> ahhh, thank you
[15:56] <hobgoblin> hang on - I think I am wrong
[15:57] <philinux> Yes it has a load
[15:57] <hobgoblin> thought so - just remembered I disable a whole bunch of menu stuff #
[15:58]  * duanedesign trying to decide if my app should install in other or accessories
[15:58] <philinux> duanedesign: Which app
[15:58] <hobgoblin> what is the app
[15:58] <duanedesign> clicompanion
[15:59] <hobgoblin> oh that - remind me
[15:59] <duanedesign> https://launchpad.net/clicompanion
[15:59] <duanedesign> about to push a new version
[15:59] <duanedesign> with a shiny new logo and desktop file to install a launcher in the menu.
[16:00] <philinux> duanedesign: I'd go with accessories
[16:00] <hobgoblin> accessories or maybe even system tools
[16:00] <philinux> duanedesign: since terminal lives there
[16:00] <duanedesign> hmm tough choice. there are so many apps in Accessories
[16:01] <hobgoblin> you gonna go to a ppa?
[16:01] <philinux> 13
[16:01] <philinux> Not as bad as systemprefs
[16:02] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: think so. I am going to put it here https://launchpad.net/~clicompanion-devs
[16:02] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: hoiw do you run it
[16:02] <philinux> duanedesign: system tools is not active as a menu item in the default install
[16:03] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: if you install the deb that is on the page now you have to issue the command clicompanion
[16:03] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: I get an error running it
[16:03] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: no .clicompanion file
[16:04] <hobgoblin> yea
[16:05] <hobgoblin> all good now - I would put it in accessories
[16:05] <duanedesign> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~duanedesign/clicompanion/1.0/annotate/head%3A/.clicompanion
[16:06] <duanedesign> if you put that in $home
[16:06] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: ok accessories it is :)
[16:06] <duanedesign> thanks. will get that ppa up now
[16:07] <philinux> duanedesign: defo access
[16:27] <duanedesign> https://launchpad.net/clicompanion  i have the new .deb up
[16:30] <philinux> Just installed and doesn't run
[16:31] <philinux> duanedesign: terminal output http://paste.ubuntu.com/470732/
[16:36] <duanedesign> thanks philinux
[16:36] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: I get some errors from some of the buttons  - http://ubft.pastebin.com/4ccY6jcu
[16:37] <hobgoblin> I removed the old one before I reinstalled it - so you know
[16:37] <philinux> duanedesign: next deb then ! ;)
[16:37] <duanedesign> aha
[16:38] <duanedesign> there is a blank line at the bottom of the .clicompanion file :P
[16:38] <duanedesign> thnk you for testing!
[16:38] <hobgoblin> there are 2 df -h's too
[16:39] <hobgoblin> maybe add sudo fdisk -l to the list too :)
[16:39] <hobgoblin> and you have sudo lspci and lspci - is sudo lspci not better as sudo lshw
[16:39] <hobgoblin> lsusb maybe
[16:39] <hobgoblin> I'll shutup now :)
[16:40] <philinux> hobgoblin: floodbot help
[16:41] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: no that is helpful. I need a good default setup
[16:41] <philinux> duanedesign: apt-get update && apget upgrade
[16:41] <philinux> must learn tospell
[16:42] <philinux> with the sudo would help
[16:42] <hobgoblin> mmm I must have the old list then
[16:44] <hobgoblin> and a remove the old list makes it not start
[16:48] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: ok i put up the new one
[16:48]  * philinux thinks Duane is packaging new deb
[16:48] <hobgoblin> new deb?
[16:48] <duanedesign> yes
[16:49] <philinux> Aha he we go again
[16:49] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: does the deb not include the basic . file?
[16:49] <duanedesign> https://launchpad.net/clicompanion
[16:49] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: yes if you remove the .clicompanion file it should reinstall it
[16:49] <hobgoblin> ok I can test that too
[16:51] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: cat .clicompanion cat: .clicompanion: No such file or directory
[16:51] <hobgoblin> oh it is elsewhere then
[16:52] <duanedesign> that is weird.
[16:52] <duanedesign> it is here as well   /etc/clicompanion.d/clicompanion.config
[16:52] <hobgoblin> run remove and quit still give the same errors
[16:52] <duanedesign> and the application copies it from there on first run
[16:52] <hobgoblin> gdebi made no mention of making a file in home
[16:52] <philinux> duanedesign: http://paste.ubuntu.com/470738/
[16:52] <hobgoblin> oh ok
[16:53] <philinux> duanedesign: I purged the old one
[16:53] <duanedesign> philinux: you must still have the old .clicompanion file. it wont overwrite it if it already exists
[16:54] <duanedesign> philinux: ok. I wonder if it is not installing over the one in /etc/clicompanion.d/clicompanion.config
[16:54] <philinux> duanedesign: no .clicompanion file in home I dont think it ran enough to create one
[16:54] <philinux> brb
[16:55] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: it works here - other than the errors above
[16:55] <duanedesign> ok. so it copied the fiile into your ~/home
[16:55] <duanedesign> ha ha ~/home
[16:56] <hobgoblin> yep it did
[16:56] <philinux> duanedesign: I just purge it and all in etc gone will reinstall
[16:58] <philinux> duanedesign: same errors as before in pastebin
[17:00] <Mjiig> i can't connect to other computers on my network with nautilus. it always returns an error. can anyone help me?
[17:00] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: I lied the run works - I was just not giving it aamything to run
[17:02] <duanedesign> philinux: can you open ~/.clicompanion and see if it has a blank line at the bottom?
[17:03] <philinux> duanedesign: no file created as it failed to run I guess
[17:03] <duanedesign> philinux: ok i am attempting to reproduce
[17:03] <philinux> Im using 64 bit
[17:04] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: do you want me to add a blank line to mine?
[17:09] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: I can reproduce it failing and I did
[17:09] <duanedesign> philinux: when you purged the config files did you leave the folder /etc/clicompanion.d
[17:10] <duanedesign> i can rm ~/.clicompaninon; rm /etc/clicompanion.d/clicompanion.config  and when it reinstalls it wont copy the file into home
[17:10] <philinux> I did apt-get purge and it removed everything
[17:13] <Mjiig> i can't connect to other computers on my network with nautilus. it always returns an error. can anyone help me?
[17:14] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: by adding the extra line?
[17:14] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: from purge to reinstall  - http://ubft.pastebin.com/B4Yt6PE3
[17:14] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: yes - by adding a line it failed to start
[17:15] <hobgoblin> Mjiig: what are you trying to connect to ? windows machines?
[17:15] <Mjiig> yes if i click Places>Network it comes up with a windows network option, clicking this returns an error
[17:16] <hobgoblin> Mjiig: never had much to do with samba - I assume the first time you tried it asked to install what it needed?
[17:17] <Mjiig> no, it never asked to install anything and never works
[17:18] <Mjiig> if i connect with smb://<ip address> i get onto the network but any other options i click return an error
[17:19] <hobgoblin> Mjiig: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba have a look there - unfortunately I only ever looked at it for a very short time
[17:20] <Mjiig> thanks i'll take a look
[17:21] <philinux> duanedesign: new deb in the wings?
[17:27] <duanedesign> philinux: think so :)
[17:43] <varun_> Hi all! I'm using this kind of service for the firs time. Just wanna try how I can seek/offer help if and when needed.
[17:43] <kohlers> i got a little problem with an external storage device... the (partitioned) disc is being detected, but won't be mounted because it is "not authorized". what might be wrong?
[17:45] <varun_> for a quick read/write access, you can try "gksudo nautilus".
[17:46] <kohlers> in terminalthat is?
[17:46] <varun_> Yes. For a permanent permission change, you may need to use commands like chmod, but I'm not familier with it.
[18:15] <duanedesign> philinux: i think i got it figured out
[18:15] <philinux> What was it
[18:15] <duanedesign> philinux: sudo apt-get purge clicompanion removes everything but the .clicompanion fiile because that gets copied from inside the app, not the installer
[18:16] <duanedesign> so it is seeing that .clicompanion file and not copying the new one
[18:16] <philinux> Yep but I never got a .clicompanion folder
[18:16] <duanedesign> it is just a file
[18:16] <philinux> Ah
[18:16] <duanedesign> if you do the purge and a rm ~/.clicompanion
[18:16] <duanedesign> then install the .deb, cross my fingers, it should work
[18:17] <philinux> stand bye
[18:17] <duanedesign> i was getting the same thing. I could not figure it out, lol
[18:18] <philinux> Yep running now wohoo
[18:18] <duanedesign> oh great!
[18:18] <duanedesign> philinux: thank you so much for testing it
[18:19] <philinux> Runs a treat
[18:20] <duanedesign> if you highlight a vommand and clickhelp the man page comes up
[18:20] <duanedesign> command*
[18:21] <duanedesign> i piped it through 'most' because people were having trouble figuring out how to close the man page. Most has the 'press Q to close' at the bottom
[18:21] <philinux> duanedesign: Yeah, I was expect to use mouse to scroll but it's cursor up down as usual
[18:21] <duanedesign> i noticed that too.
[18:22] <philinux> Good idea most, never heard of ot before
[18:22] <duanedesign> philinux: i stunbled upon it when i started using zsh instead of bash
[18:22] <philinux> duanedesign: you need to get debian certified and have it packaged in ubuntu
[18:23] <duanedesign> i got a .zshrc file from bodhi and it was set t open all man pages with most
[18:23] <duanedesign> philinux: i have done one blog post for the 1.0b1 and it was very popular
[18:24] <philinux> I beleive it takes ages to get in to debian packaging
[18:24] <duanedesign> wished i would of set up the PPA before i did that. Now a lot of people have an early 'buggy' version
[18:24] <philinux> This trusted thing I read
[18:24] <duanedesign> ahhh
[18:25] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: you know that running help against any of the sudo commands only gets man sudo
[18:26] <philinux> duanedesign: I wonmder if it's possisble to automate this. http://tuxtweaks.com/2009/12/remove-old-kernels-in-ubuntu/
[18:28] <hobgoblin> I'd not like that - could go horribly wrong :)
[18:29] <nhandler> Didn't the functionality of rm -rf / (DO NOT RUN THE COMMAND) change to display a warning or something?
[18:31] <IdleOne> nhandler: I would test "the command" but honestly I'm to affraid to
[18:31] <nhandler> IdleOne: Yeah, I was going to do it in TestDrive, but for some reason, testdrive is acting up
[18:31] <IdleOne> then again I do have a separate /home and a clean install wouldn't hurt me so much
[18:31] <hobgoblin> nhandler: something along those lines I am sure
[18:31] <philinux> hobgoblin: works a treat
[18:32] <nhandler> Anyone with a VM around to test that rm command ?
[18:32] <IdleOne> nhandler: I assume it requires sudo before it runs
[18:32] <nhandler> IdleOne: Yeah
[18:32] <hobgoblin> I was just looking and found I've not anymore
[18:33] <IdleOne> nhandler: let me know if you find someone with a vm to test, if not I will test later tonight.
[18:33] <hobgoblin> IdleOne: I'll do it shortly
[18:33] <nhandler> Thanks hobgoblin
[18:33] <IdleOne> hobgoblin: ok.
[18:35] <IdleOne> nhandler: if it does'nt ask for extra confirmation before running it would be a good feature to add.
[18:35] <IdleOne> doesnt should be proper spelling
[18:36] <hobgoblin> as opposed to duznt
[18:37] <IdleOne> ha
[18:37] <IdleOne> yes
[18:37] <IdleOne> lol
[18:38] <zkriesse> lol
[18:38] <zkriesse> hey IdleOne and hob
[18:38] <zkriesse> hobgoblin:
[18:38] <IdleOne> heya zkriesse
[18:41] <zkriesse> hello the100BiLL
[18:42] <hobgoblin> nhandler IdleOne - just booting xubuntu - what command exactly do you want to see run?
[18:43] <nhandler> hobgoblin: sudo rm -rf /
[18:43] <hobgoblin> k - 2 secs
[18:43] <hobgoblin> or a bit longer for this old thing lol
[18:43] <zkriesse> lol
[18:44] <hobgoblin> nhandler IdleOne  in xubuntu you get rm: cannot remove root directory
[18:45] <hobgoblin> I vaguely remember seeing something you need to add somewhere to allow it
[18:45] <nhandler> hobgoblin: Alright. If that is a backed up VM, could you try doing sudo rm -rf /*
[18:45]  * nhandler thinks that command actually runs
[18:47] <pedro3005> I think you need
[18:47] <pedro3005> sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root
[18:47] <hobgoblin> nhandler: it's not backed up - but it's not important - and the output is looooooooooooooooonng
[18:47] <nhandler> hobgoblin: Did it run?
[18:48] <nhandler> pedro3005: To run the first command, probably. I think the second command would run though
[18:48] <IdleOne> For officialness sake and for those who read logs: WARNING Do NOT run the above rm command on your system.  The command completely deletes everything in your / partition, in essence it destroys your install.
[18:49] <zkriesse> Figured I'd make it bold for ya IdleOne
[18:50] <hobgoblin> nhandler: something happened - as sudo is borked now
[18:50] <nhandler> zkriesse: It isn't, and the logs won't show it bold either
[18:50] <zkriesse> Oh
[18:50] <zkriesse> Argh
[18:50] <nhandler> hobgoblin: Yeah, the whole system is probably messed up (like I said it would be)
[18:50] <hobgoblin> I only got a warning from the first command - the second just ran
[18:50] <IdleOne> zkriesse: I have my client set to strip bold/color but the extra warning in the logs is always good :)
[18:50] <hobgoblin> nhandler: yea - good job I run it in the vm - that would have been a d'oh moment :D
[18:51] <nhandler> hobgoblin: Alright thanks for your help. I am reviewing a book, and wanted to double check my understanding of that command
[18:51] <IdleOne> one last time.
[18:51] <hobgoblin> I will reinstall and run the no preserve one if you like
[18:52] <IdleOne> For officialness sake and for those who read logs: WARNING Do NOT run the above rm command on your system. The command completely deletes everything in your / partition, in essence it destroys your install.
[18:52] <nhandler> IdleOne: No need. I really just wanted to know that the first command wouldn't run
[18:52] <zkriesse> hello geekerson!
[18:53] <IdleOne> nhandler: I know. I am thinking more about a new user who is reading the log and decides to test it themself
[18:55] <nhandler> IdleOne: That comment was meant to be for hobgoblin ;)
[18:55] <IdleOne> ahh
[18:55] <hobgoblin> aahh :)
[18:55] <hobgoblin> okey doke nhandler
[18:57] <IdleOne> maybe we need to open a #ubuntu-test-commands-at-your-own-risk :P
[18:57] <philinux> LOL
[18:58] <IdleOne> or a #ubuntu-you-must-be-crazy-to-try-this
[18:58] <hobgoblin> someone will still do it and complain
[18:58] <IdleOne> true
[18:58] <zkriesse> +1 hobgoblin
[18:58] <hobgoblin> or we would not need knives cut warnings :)
[18:58] <paultag> IdleOne: hahaha
[18:58] <paultag> IdleOne: I have the perfect command for that channel
[18:59] <IdleOne> paultag: heh
[18:59] <paultag> IdleOne: man hdparm
[18:59] <paultag> IdleOne: /DANGEROUS
[18:59] <paultag> IdleOne: nnnnn....
[19:02] <paultag> IdleOne: that's gotta be the most damaging command ever
[19:02] <IdleOne> it surely looks dangerous
[19:07] <hobgoblin> nhandler: the preserve and no preserve are actually in man rm now
[19:07] <nhandler> hobgoblin: I know :)
[19:07] <hobgoblin> :) - just wanted to see what happened did you
[19:10] <nhandler> hobgoblin: Yep. I like to ensure the suggestions I make to others are in fact accurate
[19:11] <hobgoblin> I should hope so :)
[19:11] <collinp> Accuracy is a good thing.
[19:12] <paultag> ah
[19:12] <paultag> Bah*
[19:12] <paultag> not always :)
[19:12] <hobgoblin> usually collinp - only usually
[19:12] <paultag> you've clearly never played on the CPU level collinp :)
[19:12] <collinp> No.
[19:12] <hobgoblin> or been shot at
[19:12] <collinp> hah
[19:12] <paultag> hobgoblin: or been shot at
[19:12] <collinp> No, I haven't been shot at either.
[19:13] <paultag> collinp: or races
[19:13] <paultag> raced *
[19:13] <paultag> or programmed :P
[19:43] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: and if you by chance happen to exit instead of quit it just sits there
[19:53] <philinux> duanedesign: sudo iwlist needs parameters
[19:54] <philinux> Gotta go
[20:04] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: exit? you mean the close button?
[20:10] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: no - if you happen to exit the thing on autopilot as you would a terminal it just echoes exit and sit's there
[20:14] <duanedesign> aha
[20:15] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: thank you. i will file a bug on that
[20:15] <hobgoblin> :)
[20:15] <hobgoblin> I missed a trick there - I should have filed the bug and then moaned about the dev :D
[20:17] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: and the help button man pages for sudo commands runs 'sudo man iwlist'
[20:17] <hobgoblin> does it?
[20:17] <duanedesign> the help button when highlighting a command with sudo.
[20:18] <hobgoblin> just gets me man sudo |most
[20:18] <duanedesign> ahh, so it..ok
[20:18] <duanedesign> i just saw the bug report :)
[20:20] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: do you get a warning from the help ps command
[20:21] <duanedesign> wow!
[20:21] <duanedesign> i wouldnt of seen that one
[20:21] <duanedesign> :)
[20:22] <hobgoblin> :)
[20:22] <hobgoblin> in fact any of the help for commands where there are more than 1 thing only gets help for the first
[20:23] <duanedesign> hmm,lokks like the help needs help
[20:23] <duanedesign> looks*
[20:25] <hobgoblin> maybe you could remove the first part from the table and prepend sudo when the command runs
[21:22] <jglauner> Hi!  I'm trying to figure out how to get jabber14 to work with jabber-muc on an intranet.  I've searched online and can't find anything that resolves my problem.  Where would be a good place to ask here?  Thanks!


[00:01] <nhaines> Snuck in a package for an Ubuntu release respin last night!  \o/
[00:01] <lynorian> nhaines, that was not the last one
[00:03] <lynorian> there was one that just landed a few minutes ago
[00:13] <nhaines> lynorian: yes, but it was the most trivial one.
[00:22] <lynorian> fixing the path to an icon so it shows up I think classifies as pretty trivial
[00:23] <nhaines> No, that's important.
[00:23] <nhaines> Mine was "put different pretty video and music on the live image."
[02:09] <nhaines> pleia2: hey, do you mind if I link directly to your xerus svg from this /r/Ubuntu FAQ and probably the mirror I'll put on my blog and Planet Ubuntu?
[02:09] <nhaines> I'll rehost it if not.
[02:11] <pleia2> nhaines: can't use the one on the wiki?
[02:11] <nhaines> pleia2: I don't think I can directly link to the wiki.
[02:12] <pleia2> nhaines: ok, probably better for you to self-host then
[02:12] <nhaines> I'll just rehost it.
[02:12] <pleia2> it's not mine :)
[02:12] <nhaines> Sure.  I'm just linking something about "cute mascot" in my explanation of Xerus to that.  :)
[02:12] <pleia2> hehe
[02:16] <nhaines> \o/ http://www.nhaines.com/blog/images/xerus_orange_hex.svg
[02:16] <darthrobot> Content type: [image/svg+xml] Size: [4224]
[02:20] <DonkeyHotei> it looks like it was crossbred from a squirrel and a t-rex
[02:28] <nhaines> You mean a squirrex?
[02:36] <DonkeyHotei> that's a better caption than xerus, but then it does not serve the intended purpose
[02:42] <ianorlin> For some reason it looks like charmander to me
[02:52] <MarkDude> Pokemon +1
[04:54] <b-yeezi> waiting for the 16.04 torrent to be available...
[04:57] <DonkeyHotei> waiting for the 16.04.1 torrent to be available...
[05:04] <b-yeezi> I'm thinking about waiting for the first point release for one of my machines. I will see how it goes on my laptop
[05:06]  * ianorlin tested  a lot of the lubuntu images and some server images as well
[05:07] <DonkeyHotei> i'll make a vm after release, but i won't put it on bare-metal hardware in the foreseeable future
[05:07] <DonkeyHotei> i don't trust the migration away from xorg
[05:08] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: that's six months away.
[05:08] <nhaines> Ubuntu 16.04 LTS FAQ now available: https://redd.it/4frg4a
[05:08] <darthrobot> [R: www.reddit.com] Title: [Ubuntu 16.04 FAQ : Ubuntu]
[05:08] <nhaines> Trigger warning: reddit.
[05:10] <DonkeyHotei> and then there is systemd
[05:13] <ianorlin> I have had it on bare metal for a while
[05:13] <ianorlin> DonkeyHotei, it is actually hard to notice the differnce with systemd vs upstart as a desktop user
[05:14] <ianorlin> and 15.04 and 15.10 have used it without that many problems
[05:15] <ianorlin> although it probably breaks commands for documentation is what I see as the bad part
[05:17] <MarkDude> systemd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d147Z-2a1X4&list=PLWh9erRwrFR2qPGQAPQIkyXCT2DR_-DIJ
[05:17] <darthrobot> Title: [systemD; To Serve Mankind. "It's a Cookbook!" (Dire warning from MarkDude from The Future) - YouTube]
[05:19] <DonkeyHotei> i don't really wanna be dealing with special new commands to do things like mount
[05:22] <DonkeyHotei> as for being hard to notice on the desktop, try telling that to desktop bsd users
[05:23] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: it's even worse for desktop Windows users.
[05:24] <DonkeyHotei> ironically, windows users accepted it all along in the form of svchost.exe
[05:50] <b-yeezi> I can't stand waiting anymore. I'm just gonna run my backups and get ready for a clean install tomorrow.
[05:50] <b-yeezi> My install is 2 years old in this laptop. I need to get the cruft out
[05:53] <DonkeyHotei> i just keep the cruft
[05:53] <nhaines> b-yeezi: it' always a good day for a backup.  :)
[05:55] <b-yeezi> agreed
[16:34] <nhaines> Ubuntu 16.04 LTS is now available!  :)  http://www.ubuntu.com/
[16:34] <darthrobot> Title: [The leading OS for PC, tablet, phone and cloud | Ubuntu]
[16:42] <pleia2> announced 40 minutes before my wall of meetings
[16:42]  * pleia2 panic to complete release tasks
[17:20] <nhaines> pleia2_: as is tradition!


[05:50] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:43] <DJones> Morning
[07:44] <MooDoo> morning :)
[07:51] <diplo> Morning all
[07:52] <SuperMatt> hmmm
[07:53] <SuperMatt> here's a question: is there a way I can rootlessly install byobu?
[07:53]  * DJones see's a pattern here, it may be morning
[07:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> SuperMatt: Extract the interesting files from the deb, copy them to your ~/bin directory, run from there?
[07:54] <SuperMatt> yeah, I was thinking that
[07:55] <SuperMatt> ah bugger, this is a rhel box
[08:03] <popey> morning
[08:03] <popey> SuperMatt: there's an rpm iirc
[08:03] <popey> SuperMatt: poke kirkland on irc, he wrote it
[08:03] <SuperMatt> ta
[08:04] <SuperMatt> I think I've managed to get screen to do what I need anyway
[08:04] <popey> When I worked on RHEL boxes I used screen heavily. I did try to install byobu in my home dir, but failed. That was 3 years ago
[08:04] <popey> might be easier now
[08:04] <popey> i didnt try that hard ☻
[08:06] <bashrc> morning
[08:10] <SuperMatt> I've managed to cobble together a good screen config from the arch wiki, so that'll fit my needs
[08:14] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: screen <3
[08:15] <SuperMatt> yes ineed
[08:15] <SuperMatt> it helps me deal with all the extra security stuff that's been put in place
[08:15] <MooDoo> I use it on my centos box.
[08:16] <MooDoo> ie i'm speaking to you lot on it :d
[08:36] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday and happy Let It Go Day! :-D
[08:37] <MooDoo> morning....
[08:41] <bashrc> let it go day?
[08:43] <JamesTait> bashrc, probably has nothing to do with http://youtu.be/moSFlvxnbgk but I'm going to have it in my head all day anyway.
[08:57] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:17] <awilkins> Seriously? A day for a (really good) song from a Disney film?
[09:18] <foobarry> java sucks so badly
[09:19] <foobarry> have 2 identical machines. one works with the jnlp file, another one doesn't
[09:19] <bashrc> lots of people seem to hate java
[09:23] <foobarry> "jars are not signed" :(
[09:31] <awilkins> So sign them, dear Henry...
[09:32] <awilkins> Or change the permissions on the other machine to permit unsigned jars
[09:33] <funkyHat> Yeah, I think the falsehood here is "identical machines"
[09:36] <foobarry> turns out its a icedtea bug
[09:36] <foobarry> they are signed already
[09:36] <foobarry> funkyHat is correct, there is a oracle java also in /opt on the other machine
[09:37] <foobarry> now to find out if oracle java do packages on ubuntu :S
[09:43] <bashrc> how many javas are there?
[09:43] <funkyHat> 4 or 5
[09:46] <funkyHat> And they are all horrible
[09:46] <dwatkins> yeah, I only installed it last week
[09:46] <foobarry> even worse, oracle produce buggy software that is security nightmare but no good distribution method of sending out updates
[09:47] <dwatkins> oops, wrong window (!)
[09:48] <dwatkins> also, good morning #ubuntu-uk
[10:00] <funkyHat> I've never really been particularly interested in Oracle the DBMS, as I tend to stick to open source stuff. I did kind of assume that Oracle was probably pretty good, because they charge so much for it. But my employer is an Oracle gold partner or whatever, so we have Oracle for free at work, and I discover that it's basically a mess of crap.
[10:07] <dwatkins> I've used an Oracle database, the front end was hideous. I'm not sure that's always the case, though.
[10:09] <mgdm> "I'd love to have enough money to run Oracle. I wouldn't, I'd just like the money"
[10:09] <funkyHat> ahaha
[10:10] <dwatkins> if someone asked me to implement an Oracle database, I'd be tempted to do it in MySQL with a web-based front end and just make an option to make it look like Oracle ;)
[10:12] <funkyHat> Or use Postgres with the Oracle compatibility layer installed
[10:12] <dwatkins> sure, why not?
[10:13] <dwatkins> wow, someone asked me for a cable that I didn't have - that's a first
[10:13] <dwatkins> (iPhone 5 charging cable)
[10:14] <mgdm> MySQL is made by Oracle, but it misses out quite a lot of its features...
[10:14] <mgdm> Postgres might be a better option
[10:14] <dwatkins> I gather MySQL was bought by Oracle, i.e. not originally made by them.
[10:14] <mgdm> Yes, it was bought by Sun and then Sun were bought
[10:14] <mgdm> but it is currently developed by them
[10:15] <dwatkins> even the version in the repos?
[10:16] <funkyHat> Yep
[10:16] <mgdm> Yes
[10:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> And MySQL has been forked by the original developer(s) after the Oracle ->Sun acquisition. See MariaDB ;-)
[10:17] <mgdm> that's the community edition (that said several distros have moved to MariaDB instead)
[10:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oracle has been the kiss-of-death to almost all the Opensource they have bought. lol
[10:22] <mgdm> I know a couple of folk who work there (though they were there pre-Sun
[10:23] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:23] <MooDoo> morning
[10:24] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:30] <bigcalm> I think I just heard the Wilhelm Scream in the Deus Ex video on steam
[10:30] <bigcalm> Maybe I'm just super sensitive to hearing it
[10:31] <bigcalm> 1m09s ish
[10:44] <awilkins> Heh, I hear it all the time
[10:45] <awilkins> And Oracle : Kiss of Death, definitely
[10:46] <awilkins> Hudson : Killed it completely by making version 2 non-compatible with existing job files
[10:46] <awilkins> Upgraded, swore vociferously as half my jobs vanished, removed it, installed Jenkins instead
[10:47] <awilkins> Still use Java (but OpenJDK)
[10:47] <awilkins> And VirtualBox (which is quite nice, even if the kernel drivers are apparently the stuff of pure tainted evil)
[10:48] <awilkins> We have an outstanding job to review all our current Oracle DBs for replacement
[12:10] <mapps> what a nice day today
[12:11] <MooDoo> it's chuffin it down here at the moment, or at least was
[12:15] <popey> yes, lovely and sunny
[12:15] <popey> got the sprinkler out
[12:15] <popey> (not an euphemism)
[12:16] <Laney> just had a very brief spell of thunder
[12:16] <Laney> not much rain though
[12:20]  * popey wonders if anyone found his balloon or if it is in the sea or a ditch somewhere... https://twitter.com/popey/status/480697494478028802
[12:20] <popey> well, Sophie's balloon
[12:24] <mapps> too much to do really ;/ gym...tennis...watch the world cup..go for a meal
[12:24] <mapps> hate having to keep to a schedule
[12:36] <MooDoo> popey:  I did see that, fingers crossed someone nice finds it and replies :D
[12:36] <DJones> popey: Its here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-27971658 :)
[12:37] <popey> haha
[12:39] <popey> "The only control you have is up and down"
[12:39] <popey> sounds like a video game
[12:40] <dwatkins> flappy balloon
[12:49] <DJones> Hmmh, listening to Wimbledon tennis in the background & was wondering why they keep bleeping swear words, then remembered its the electronic line judge :)
[12:50] <mgdm> he's a sweary one, that line judge
[12:51] <DJones> Certainly is, its either that of Andy Murray doing all the swearing
[12:51] <DJones> s/of/or/
[13:01] <bigcalm> Google is scary. I no longer need to specify which language I want results for. It seems to know that I'm after PHP results
[13:11] <bigcalm> Did you know that the Limo sound track is great to work by http://open.spotify.com/album/5Q6keDzZaWmnJfZKyfUn13 ?
[13:15] <foobarry> doesn't block out talking from loud people though
[13:21] <bigcalm> foobarry: use noise cancelling ear buds, or possibly over ear cans
[13:22] <foobarry> even tried ear plugs
[13:22] <foobarry> ear plugs+ headphones
[13:22] <foobarry> muffled the music, still hear noisy ppl
[13:22] <bigcalm> That sucks
[13:24] <foobarry> ok, not track 4
[13:25] <davmor2> bigcalm: it's down to usage and search terms
[13:26] <bigcalm> foobarry: :D
[13:26] <bigcalm> davmor2: thought it would be. Yay for tracking
[13:27] <Pendulum> foobarry, I don't know if you can find them in the UK, but in the US I know people who buy shooting earmuffs just for the sound blocking. You'd probably be able to wear them over earbuds.
[13:27] <bigcalm> Oh year. I have a pair of ear defenders for when I'm using the leaf vacuum
[13:28] <bigcalm> Apparently 99dB isn't good for one's hearing
[13:28] <foobarry> Pendulum: we have those for server room ,
[13:28] <bigcalm> s/Oh year/Oh yeah/
[13:28] <foobarry> shoudl try it
[13:29] <bigcalm> I think my noise cancelling ear buds might be annoying my wife. I hope she doesn't think I'm ignoring her, but they really are super effective
[13:29] <bigcalm> Then again, she as quiet as a mouse
[13:32] <bigcalm> Anybody here used Music Magpie?
[13:34] <DJones> bigcalm: I was going to use them until I found out how little they paid for cd's, ended up selling via ebay and making 10 times as much
[13:35] <foobarry> not sure how anything is viable via ebay anymore given post prices
[13:36] <foobarry> who can compete with amazon for books when 3.20 postage?
[13:36] <JohnRobert> nobody
[13:36] <foobarry> i bought bought before where the person made a loss on a book because postage was most than quoted price+postage
[13:37] <foobarry> i paid £5 for the book
[13:38] <foobarry> i wish there was a scribd for library books where you could read for 1 motnhs
[13:39] <foobarry> you can't even find the books i want to read in libraries
[13:40] <bigcalm> Just scanned 25 DVDs and Blu-rays. Came to £9.37
[13:40] <foobarry> lol
[13:42] <DJones> foobarry: I've started using https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kindook.kobofreebooks and https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kindook.freebooksbuddy on my tablet to get free ebooks from the kindle/kobo libraries
[13:42] <bigcalm> Can I be bothered to put them all on ebay?
[13:42] <bigcalm> TBH, the stack of films was going to go to a charity shop anyway
[13:43] <foobarry> bigcalm: got a list pls/
[13:44] <mapps> hm
[13:44] <foobarry> or a photo of the stack
[13:44] <bigcalm> foobarry: one mo
[13:47] <bigcalm> http://discworld.cuth.eu/dump/2014-06-23%2014.45.29.jpg
[13:47] <foobarry> feels like 1990s internet all over again
[13:48] <foobarry> ah, loaded now ;D
[13:48] <bigcalm> Sorry, I didn't resize the image
[13:48] <foobarry> grand theft aurto is a film?
[13:48] <bigcalm> Yep
[13:49] <bigcalm> Not watched it
[13:49] <bigcalm> Had it for years
[13:49] <foobarry> nothing take my fancy there i'm fraid
[13:49] <foobarry> i'm more artificial eye kind of eye
[13:49] <bigcalm> Directed by Richie Cunningham
[13:50] <bigcalm> Anybody else interested in any of the films in the above photo?
[13:52] <mgdm> You're getting rid of trap door?!?
[13:52] <MooDoo> it's coz there's something down there ;)
[13:52] <mgdm> hehe
[13:53] <mgdm> nail it shut and concrete over
[13:53] <mgdm> job done
[13:53] <awilkins> I'd stay away from that trap door
[13:53] <foobarry> cos there's something down there
[14:00] <dwatkins> That and Stoppit and Tidyup were fantastic shows.
[15:23] <ashd> hi all. i need to drop back to php5.4 from php5.5 on a 14.04 LTS new install - due to an ioncube ecoded set of php files.  brand new server - not running anything so can remove and re-install whatever is needed.. annoyed as i did not notice the requirements and cannot find out how to drop back a version
[15:32] <bigcalm> ashd: how did you install PHP 5.5?
[15:32] <ashd> fresh install of Ubuntu 14.04 LTS - was the default.
[15:33] <bigcalm> So Ubuntu 14.04 LTS comes with PHP 5.5 now?
[15:33] <bigcalm> So it does
[15:33] <bigcalm> :S
[15:34] <bigcalm> You could try pinning the version at version 5.4
[15:34] <ashd> bigcalm: yes, though that is something i have never done so am just reading about it.
[15:35] <bigcalm> And the encoded files won't work with PHP 5.5?
[15:35] <ashd> bigcalm: that is the case..
[15:35] <bigcalm> 18th Apr 2014 -  Encoder 8.3.0 released.
[15:35] <bigcalm> Encoder 8.3.0 is now released, including support for encoding PHP 5.5 language features.
[15:35] <bigcalm> Release notes
[15:35] <bigcalm> From their /news.php page
[15:36] <ashd> bigcalm: yea. but try to get some commercial bunch to rush something out for one client.. i think i am going to have to work out how to drop back to php5.4 - pinning…
[15:36] <bigcalm> One really quick way would be to install Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS
[15:37] <bigcalm> That would give you PHP 5.3
[15:38] <ashd> bigcalm: i think i am going to have to do that.. annoyed for not reading the docs as closly as i should - actually - i did not realise that 14.04 had php5.5… i think i will have to drop back and then pin the php at 5.4
[15:38] <ashd> will probably save time in the long run
[15:40] <bigcalm> What will save time for you in the future is to document what you're doing right now :)
[15:40] <bigcalm> Eugh, I just advocated documentation
[15:40]  * bigcalm shudders
[15:42] <ashd> bigcalm yes.. i do… but the small print was so small..
[15:42] <ashd> bigcalm: but at least you did not advocate reading it...
[15:43] <ashd> bigcalm: thanks for the confirmation - i’ll head off back and cook another VM.
[15:44] <bigcalm> Have fun :)
[15:45] <ashd> bigcalm: :S
[15:55] <diddledan> yawn
[15:56] <wheatley_ind_> diddledan, keeping you up?
[15:57] <bigcalm> Another 1h3m to the day :(
[16:06] <diddledan> http://www.tvbeurope.com/bbc-4k-test-first-many/
[16:06] <diddledan> \o/ for UHD
[16:06] <wheatley_ind_> diddledan, do you have a 4k TV
[16:06] <diddledan> nope
[16:06] <wheatley_ind_> Haha!
[16:07] <wheatley_ind_> Interesting they're being broadcast from the Eurovision satellite
[16:07] <bigcalm> The music contest has its own satellite?
[16:08] <diddledan> hah
[16:08] <diddledan> no, eurovision is a conglomeration of european broadcasters
[16:08] <popey> ~/71
[16:08] <wheatley_ind_> That would be the best place to keep it... miles away from civilisation
[16:09] <wheatley_ind_> Wonder if you can pick the transmission up from a regualar sat box
[16:09] <wheatley_ind_> Assuming it'll be encrypted though
[16:10] <diddledan> wheatley_ind_: no you won't be able to
[16:10] <wheatley_ind_> diddledan, shame... :)
[16:11] <diddledan> wheatley_ind_: not least because it's going to be HEVC compressed which no stb decodes yet
[16:12] <diddledan> then it's 4k which is probably not decodable by an "HD" box either
[16:12] <wheatley_ind_> Just read the HEVC compression :)
[16:13] <wheatley_ind_> diddledan, Technicolor do a 4K STB
[16:14] <diddledan> really?
[16:15] <diddledan> considering there's no standard for broadcast 4k I wouldn't expect it to be compatible once real services arrive
[16:17] <diddledan> I would expect that DVB will iterate another pair of standards in DVB-S3 and DVB-T3
[16:21] <ali1234> http://www.a516digital.com/2014/06/possible-uhd-test-signals-spotted-by.html
[16:27] <wheatley_ind_> ali1234, interesting!
[16:43] <diddledan> googley doodle is funny today
[20:17] <bigcalm> Just bought the 2 most recent LEGO games on Steam
[20:17] <bigcalm> Damn you Summer Sale
[20:17] <bigcalm> !
[20:22] <ali1234> movie licenses ruined lego
[20:37] <Azelphur> Hey folks, I'm trying to use runit to start a process inside screen, getting "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/console' - please check." any ideas how I can resolve that?
[20:53] <ali1234> runit is an init daemon so it probably wants to by pid 1 and write it's log to the console
[20:54] <diddledan> try daemontools for something similar to runit which works as not-pid1
[20:54] <Azelphur> ali1234: runit is quite happy to run not as pid 1, which is a cool feature as it gives me a nice process manager, which is portable, and doesn't stand a chance of breaking my dedicated server in a way that I can't fix remotely :)
[20:55] <ali1234> use containers
[20:55] <Azelphur> explain? :P
[20:55] <diddledan> I really should look into figuring out docker at some point
[20:56] <mgdm> Azelphur: that's probably little to do with runit and more to do with screen
[20:56] <ali1234> yes. coreOS, systemd, docker, lxc - this is the future
[20:56] <Azelphur> mgdm: Indeed, I mentioned runit because running screen inside runits environment is obviously breaking something
[20:56] <diddledan> the very fact that it (docker) wasn't even a thing this time last year (or maybe a very fledgling thing) kinda proves that it needs a second look considering the buzz surrounding it
[20:57] <Azelphur> ali1234: I know of systemd, but not the others. I opted against systemd as it potentially breaks my system in a way that I can't fix remotely.
[20:58] <ali1234> the idea of resetting to factory defaults by just doing rm -rf /etc/* is amazing
[20:58] <Azelphur> that is pretty cool :P
[20:59] <Azelphur> ali1234: maybe I should just give you my requirements and you can suggest whatever you think
[20:59] <ali1234> this stuff isn't available yet
[20:59] <Azelphur> oh, then runit is the answer, short of this screen problem.
[20:59] <ali1234> what are you trying to do?
[21:00] <Azelphur> ali1234: init scripts for srcds (the tf2 server)
[21:01] <ali1234> why not just use juju and lxc?
[21:01] <Azelphur> because I have no idea what they are
[21:03] <Azelphur> ali1234: neither of them seem to apply to what I'm trying to do though
[21:03] <ali1234> sure they do
[21:03] <ali1234> i know for a fact there is already a charm for tf2-server
[21:04] <Azelphur> juju says it's for cloud deployment? lxc is some funky stuff about containers...I want an init script
[21:04] <ali1234> lxc is basically a local cloud
[21:04] <ali1234> you can juju deploy on your dedicated server to containers
[21:05] <ali1234> the containers are restarted on reboot by an init script
[21:05] <Azelphur> ali1234: so you'd have one individual container per server? that doesn't work for me either
[21:05] <ali1234> why not?
[21:05] <ali1234> containers ave very light
[21:06] <Azelphur> ali1234: all of our servers run on the same install of srcds with tweaks to configs and such done by launching with different arguments, this greatly speeds things up both in terms of fs caching and update times
[21:07] <ali1234> yeah with magic hardlinks right?
[21:07] <Azelphur> nope
[21:07] <ali1234> you got rid of that system?
[21:07] <Azelphur> yup, ages ago :)
[21:08] <ali1234> anyway, btrfs can help you there
[21:08] <ali1234> btrfs is also the future
[21:08] <Azelphur> you can define the folder for the servers plugins and config files at startup
[21:08] <ali1234> this stuff isn't ready yet but when it is it's exactly what you need
[21:08] <Azelphur> so we literally just have all the servers running off the same install, with different plugin and config folders.
[21:08] <Azelphur> yea, for now of course lxc sounds like it's out :P
[21:08] <ali1234> not really
[21:09] <ali1234> you can do what you want to do now, it just isn't really tested
[21:09] <ali1234> or documented
[21:09] <Azelphur> untested undocumented things are totally good for deployment
[21:09] <Azelphur> xD
[21:09] <Azelphur> also you seem to think I can reformat my server, I can't - it's remote and I have no kvm.
[21:10] <ali1234> why would you reformat it?
[21:10] <Azelphur> to use btrfs?
[21:10] <ali1234> i guess
[21:10] <Azelphur> so yea, summary is that stuff doesn't seem like it'll work for me
[21:10] <ali1234> no, it's perfect for you
[21:11]  * Azelphur facedesks
[21:11] <ali1234> ou just have to think about it differently
[21:11] <Azelphur> I have to think that it's ok to put undocumented untested solutions into deployment?
[21:11] <ali1234> sure
[21:11] <Azelphur> ...not going to happen
[21:11] <Azelphur> xD
[21:11] <ali1234> it's not like people are going to die if the tf2 server crashes
[21:11] <Azelphur> no, but that doesn't mean I should deliberately try and make it shit :)
[21:13] <Azelphur> something like running all the tf2 servers in the same container may be possible
[21:13] <Azelphur> but somehow I doubt that solves my original init problem
[21:13] <ali1234> no, you should just make a container that serves all the config directories
[21:14] <Azelphur> this all seems entirely separate to my original question, xD
[21:15] <Azelphur> lxc seems to be somewhat akin to a virtual machine, doesn't it need its own init system?
[21:15] <ali1234> yeah, that's all done for you
[21:15] <ali1234> if you use a charm
[21:15] <ali1234> maybe you should just look at how the charm works?
[21:15] <ali1234> and then do that
[21:16] <ali1234> why do you want an initscript anyway?
[21:16] <Azelphur> isn't that obvious? to keep the servers running, start them on boot, and provide easy start/stop functionality
[21:17] <Azelphur> the same reasons you'd want an init script for anything, really xD
[21:17] <dogmatic69> been trying to make virualbox vm auto start on boot, but no dice. Anyone done this?
[21:17] <ali1234> you don't need init to keep the servers running
[21:17] <dogmatic69> 14.04
[21:18] <Azelphur> ali1234: and juju charms seem to use the built in init system, so that still leaves me with exactly the same issue I've always had xD
[21:18] <Azelphur> ali1234: sure I could use some other mechanism, but init is the proper way to do this
[21:19] <ali1234> it would be if you had access to a decent init, but on ubuntu you don't
[21:19] <Azelphur> I do, runit is a perfectly decent init
[21:19] <Azelphur> I'm also on debian, just fyi :P
[21:20] <ali1234> what is the actual problem you are trying to solve?
[21:20] <Azelphur> (21:37:12) Azelphur: Hey folks, I'm trying to use runit to start a process inside screen, getting "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/console' - please check." any ideas how I can resolve that?
[21:20] <ali1234> don't use runit
[21:21] <Azelphur> then what?
[21:21] <ali1234> i dunno, what is the actual problem you are trying to solve?
[21:21] <Azelphur> ali1234: I thought I'd already been over this, to start, stop and generally process manage srcds, along with a few other services that run on the server?
[21:22] <ali1234> i would just write a process manager specifically for the srcds
[21:22] <Azelphur> you would...write an entire process manager when there are plenty of perfectly good ones available?
[21:22] <Azelphur> O.O
[21:22] <ali1234> yes, because writing a process manager is trivial
[21:23] <Azelphur> I'd much prefer to just solve my original question
[21:23] <Azelphur> xD
[21:23] <Azelphur> seems like we're answering everything but my actual question
[21:23] <ali1234> i don't know how to solve your runit problem because i never used it and i don't know what exactly you're doing to make it break
[21:23] <Azelphur> it's a screen problem, as mentioned earlier
[21:23] <ali1234> that also isn't very helpful
[21:24] <ali1234> show the scripts you are using
[21:24] <ali1234> you probably need to use that switch that makes screen run without an initial console
[21:25] <Azelphur> ali1234: fairly boring script, http://pastebin.com/3qR3XXEL
[21:25] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea, that sounds like a solution
[21:26] <ali1234> check the manual page section for -m
[21:26] <ali1234> you probably want -D -m
[21:27] <Azelphur> ali1234: -D is detach an already running screen isn't it?
[21:28] <ali1234> maybe without -m
[21:28] <Azelphur> oh, -D -m, that's detached mode, I see
[21:29] <Azelphur> yup, fixed
[21:29] <Azelphur> thanks :)
[21:29] <Azelphur> amusingly that was serious case of PEBCAK, I removed -D when I created the script because I (incorrectly) assumed it would detach and leave the process manager unable to manage the process
[21:30] <ali1234> you're going to hit that problem where you need to send kill to the process inside screen, not the screen itself
[21:31] <Azelphur> ali1234: yup, already hit it \o/
[21:31] <Azelphur> but I can probably work around that, I remember seeing an example of how this is done in systemd
[21:31] <Azelphur> and that was to send the kill command to the screen on service stop
[21:32] <ali1234> this still doesn't give you an easy way to deploy/destroy services
[21:32] <Azelphur> ali1234: it actually does, runit services are really simple, just copy the file and change the arguments, can all be done as a normal user without root
[21:32] <Azelphur> and to destroy, just rm
[21:33] <Azelphur> and permissions are all based on Linux filesystem permissions, so I can set up who can manage services too.
[21:33] <Azelphur> for example I could let the webserver user start, stop, or even create new services, allowing me to create a web panel if I ever get around to it.
[21:33] <Azelphur> runit is pretty cool. :)
[21:34] <ali1234> juju already does all that
[21:34] <Azelphur> so does runit, apparently?
[21:34] <Azelphur> oh, you mean the web panel bit
[21:34] <ali1234> yes
[21:35] <Azelphur> that's cool :)
[21:48] <diddledan> ok, it's time to take the plunge and move to something other than truecrypt
[21:48] <diddledan> any suggestions? (it needs to work on mac and potentially windows, too)
[22:48] <daftykins> diddledan: you're not a paranoid user as well are you :<
[22:48] <diddledan> :-)
[22:49] <diddledan> I have some stuff that requires protection from offline attacks due to my clearance level (I have both governmental IL3 clearance as well as a specific police clearance for policey things beyond IL3)
[22:50] <diddledan> mainly passwords/ssh keys but the potential is there for other stuff
[22:51] <diddledan> http://www.ascentor.co.uk/2012/12/ilo-il12-il3-busting-g-cloud-accreditation-security-jargon/
[22:52] <daftykins> o rly, i'll let you off then
[22:52] <daftykins> don't they provide a solution though?
[22:53] <diddledan> they provide solutions for uploading the data to the secured network which requires FDE and a locked-down windows install, but for the developmental work I'm allowed to work on a system of my choosing
[22:54] <diddledan> just have to be strict about what I take via usb stick to the upload station
[22:58] <diddledan> don't you love when the client it allowed to upload their own stuff? http://www.app.college.police.uk/ (the security discussion got me checking the public-side of the site we developed under those regs) - on the slider click the third circle to scroll to the last slide - the image is butt ugly
[23:01] <diddledan> somebody didn't check the transparency
[23:12] <daftykins> the wordy one? they all look pretty rough to me :D
[23:13] <diddledan> the code of ethics one
[23:14] <daftykins> aaah
[23:14] <daftykins> i had a feeling it was randomising them ;)
[23:15] <daftykins> i see Steam is disappointing once more
[23:24] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa6yAUNoYNc
[23:43] <daftykins> diddledan: ooh that's why i know the name, my mate works for them
[23:44] <daftykins> he works on sourcetree for Mac afaik
[23:45] <daftykins> http://blog.sourcetreeapp.com/2014/05/31/say-hello-wwdc-2014/
[23:45] <daftykins> lol there he is


[12:19] <nalioth> jrib: c'mon and bring him here to share the bad news . .  .
[12:20] <kraypius> hel
[12:20] <kraypius> o
[12:20] <jrib> when you say "web dev", does that mean /var/www?
[12:21] <kraypius> no, its a fat32 partition i made so i can edit my web sites on both win and ubuntu
[12:21] <kraypius>  /media/SHARE
[12:21] <kraypius> /dev/sda4
[12:21] <nalioth> kraypius: fat32 doesn't respond to chmod
[12:21] <jrib> kraypius: ah ok, in this case we just need to make sure that partition gets mounted with proper permissions.  Can you paste the relevant line from your /etc/fstab?
[12:22] <nalioth> kraypius: please don't ever chmod -R your linux directories
[12:22] <kraypius> /dev/sda4 /media/SHARE vfat rw,umask=000 0 0
[12:22] <kraypius> all other folders in /media/share are fine
[12:22] <kraypius> but /media/share/webs is locked for writing
[12:23] <jrib> that should be working.  Try unmounting and mounting it again with this command:  sudo umount /dev/sda4 && sudo mount /dev/sda4
[12:24] <kraypius> device is busy
[12:24] <kraypius> dont know why it would be busy
[12:24] <kraypius> nm there it goes
[12:24] <kraypius> okay its fine now
[12:25] <kraypius> so my chmod didnt bork anything up?
[12:25] <jrib> kraypius: nope, fat32 doesn't actually store any permission info
[12:25] <kraypius> k
[12:25] <jrib> why not use ext3 btw?
[12:26] <kraypius> because windows needs to play nice
[12:26] <nalioth> jrib: shared drive? vestigial windows storage partition?
[12:26] <jrib> kraypius: you can read and write to ext3 in windows using fs-driver.org if you are interested
[12:27] <kraypius> cool
[12:27] <nalioth> i would not trust it
[01:26] <kjempe> seems more quiet here
[01:26] <jrib> yes
[01:26] <jrib> where did you get this script btw?
[01:26] <kjempe> the script worked well and was delivered with a remova-script
[01:26] <kjempe> then i tried a different howto
[01:27] <kjempe> the removal-instructions that wrecked my firefox were these: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion#head-51054869b8a40ea50859b0163c806e76f882499c
[01:27] <jrib> you still have diversions
[01:27] <kjempe> yes
[01:27] <jrib> but part of the removal process there is to remove diversions
[01:28] <kjempe> i then tried to reinstall firefox by synaptic, which didn't work
[01:28] <kjempe> oh, sorry i misunderstood diversions
[01:28] <jrib> kjempe: what is the output of this command:  dpkg-divert --list '*firefox*'
[01:28] <kjempe> i have no firefox-diversions whatsoever in my /usr/bin
[01:28] <kjempe> local diversion of /usr/bin/firefox.ubuntu to /usr/bin/firefox
[01:29] <kjempe> neither exist
[01:29] <jrib> because you deleted the files, you shouldn't do that.  The package manager knows nothing about what you do with rm
[01:29] <kjempe> yes, i was afraid that'd be by mistake
[01:29] <jrib> do this:  sudo dpkg-divert --remove /usr/bin/firefox
[01:29] <jrib> any errors?
[01:30] <kjempe> No diversion `any diversion of /usr/bin/firefox', none removed
[01:30] <jrib> kjempe: sudo touch /usr/bin/firefox.ubuntu
[01:31] <kjempe> still nothing
[01:31] <jrib> now try sudo dpkg-divert --remove /usr/bin/firefox
[01:31] <kjempe> same output
[01:31] <jrib> ok lets try: sudo touch /usr/bin/firefox
[01:31] <jrib> and then... sudo dpkg-divert --remove /usr/bin/firefox
[01:31] <kjempe> maybe i oughta touche /usr/bin/firefox.ubuntu and the diversion /usr/bin/firefox
[01:32] <jrib> right, I was just curious about how it worked so I wanted to do it step by step :)
[01:32] <kjempe> ok
[01:32] <kjempe> last step still gives the same output
[01:32] <jrib> gives error?
[01:32] <jrib> erm
[01:32] <kjempe> no
[01:33] <kjempe> just No diversion `any diversion of /usr/bin/firefox', none removed
[01:33] <jrib> hmm, what about sudo dpkg-divert --remove /usr/bin/firefox.ubuntu
[01:33] <kjempe> ok
[01:33] <jrib> that worked?
[01:34] <kjempe> i touched /usr/bin/firefox.ubuntu and did sudo ln /usr/bin/firefox.ubuntu /usr/bin/firefox
[01:34] <kjempe> now i'll try the sudo dpkg-divert thing
[01:34] <kjempe> output: No diversion `any diversion of /usr/bin/firefox', none removed
[01:34] <kjempe> aaah
[01:35] <kjempe> Removing `local diversion of /usr/bin/firefox.ubuntu to /usr/bin/firefox'
[01:35] <kjempe> yes....
[01:35] <kjempe> thanks a whole bunch of lots!
[01:35] <jrib> ok
[01:35] <kjempe> it worked!
[01:35] <kjempe> great
[01:35] <kjempe> i'll keep from fiddling with those files from now on, i guess
[01:35] <jrib> kjempe: get rid of the /usr/bin/firefox and /usr/bin/firefox.ubuntu now
[01:35] <jrib> since they are empty
[01:36] <kjempe> /usr/bin/firefox starts firefox 2.0 now
[01:36] <kjempe> weird
[01:37] <kjempe> man, this is what i love about linux
[01:37] <jrib> you've lost me, did you do something after we removed the diversion?
[01:38] <kjempe> i did the following
[01:38] <kjempe> i touched /usr/bin/firefox.ubuntu and created the diversion /usr/bin/firefox
[01:38] <kjempe> then i did sudo dpkg-divert --remove /usr/bin/firefox.ubuntu
[01:39] <kjempe> and finally sudo apt-get install -f
[01:39] <jrib> ah ok
[01:39] <jrib> kjempe: but are you on dapper or edgy?
[01:39] <kjempe> dapper
[01:39] <kjempe> waiting for feisty
[01:39] <jrib> strange, i thought dapper didn't have firefox 2.0
[01:39] <jrib> !info firefox dapper
[01:39] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> (dapper), package size 7761 kB, installed size 22992 kB
[01:40] <kjempe> it doesn't
[01:40] <kjempe> that's why i messed around with the .tar-gz from mozilla
[01:40] <jrib> but how is /usr/bin/firefox starting 2.0?
[01:41] <kjempe> i did create a diversion from /opt/firefox/firefox to /usr/bin/firefox but that was before all the trouble started
[01:41] <jrib> ok well as long as you understand and have it working I guess
[01:42] <kjempe> at least i got it working, understanding is a bit tricky
[01:43] <kjempe> /usr/lib/firefox/firefox starts firefox 2.0 as well, which is weird
[01:43] <jrib> kjempe: dpkg -S /usr/lib/firefox/firefox
[01:43] <kjempe> what does it do?
[01:43] <jrib> that will tell you what package owns that file
[01:44] <kjempe> firefox
[01:44] <jrib> apt-cache policy firefox
[01:45] <kjempe> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10601/
[01:46] <jrib> ok maybe dapper just incorporates 2.0 updates and calls it 2.0, that's just my guess
[01:47] <kjempe> hm
[01:47] <kjempe> i dunno
[01:47] <kjempe> now i'll have to redo all the plugins and stuff
[01:48] <jrib> yeah
[01:48] <kjempe> damn
[01:48] <jrib> your extensions should still be there though
[01:48] <kjempe> yes
[01:48] <kjempe> they are
[01:51] <kjempe> god
[01:51] <kjempe> but at least the browser is working again
[01:51] <kjempe> thanks again
[01:51] <kjempe> where are you from btw?
[01:52] <jrib> US
[01:52] <kjempe> ah, ok
[01:56] <kjempe> i'll start setting firefox up now
[01:56] <kjempe> thanks for the help and good bye!
[01:56] <jrib> bye
[02:02] <kraypius> is there a device manager that can enable/disable devices?
[02:09] <kraypius> or better yet how do you disable a device?
[02:09] <kraypius> i need to disable my touch pad
[02:16] <jrib> kraypius: #ubuntu is a better place to get help.  There usually isn't anyone active in this room
[02:17] <jrib> kraypius: you can try 'synclient'
[02:22] <kraypius> what about xorg.conf?
[04:43] <F00> hey StoneNote
[04:43] <StoneNote> hey F00
[04:43] <F00> have you ever used VHCS
[04:43] <StoneNote> no
[04:44] <F00> hmm
[04:44] <F00> if i give you access
[04:44] <F00> can you install ispconfig
[04:45] <F00> with all these package things
[04:46] <StoneNote> no brother, I can't. I'm just answering a few question in the other channel in between compiles. good luck.  you should paste the whole long error you are getting when you try to compile into pastebin and then ask for help. you're not giving enough information to diagnose the specific problem
[05:06] <jrib> a1a121: hi
[05:06] <a1a121> hey
[05:06] <jrib> what is the output of this command: mount
[05:06] <a1a121> look all i need is to copy some files on my desktop to my windows partition (im on livecd)
[05:07] <a1a121> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10621/
[05:07] <jrib> a1a121: yes, but I want to understand why /media is in its current state
[05:07] <a1a121> this is the output
[05:07] <jrib> a1a121: don't mount to /media, mount to a subdirectory of /media
[05:08] <jrib> after you do that, then we can set the proper permissions
[05:08] <a1a121> i know, it was my mistake :p
[05:08] <jrib> a1a121: how did you mount it?  Did you use a 'mount' command or just a line in /etc/fstab?
[05:09] <a1a121> a mount command
[05:09] <a1a121> i umounted it now
[05:09] <jrib> a1a121: ok, is there anything in /media now?
[05:10] <a1a121> i can list it
[05:10] <a1a121> cypher1 is helping me @ #ubuntu
[05:10] <jrib> so you have stuff like cdrom, floppy, etc?
[05:11] <a1a121> nah
[05:11] <a1a121> only my windows partition mounted in /media
[05:12] <jrib> you should unmount it and do it properly in a subdirectory of /media, then you can use ntfs-3g to write.  But mount it properly first
[05:12] <jrib> !ntfs3g
[05:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs3g - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:12] <jrib> !ntfs-3g
[05:12] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[05:13] <a1a121> can i install it on livecd?
[05:14] <jrib> a1a121: you should be able to.  But if you just want a livecd to write to ntfs, I'm sure you can find a livecd that does that ootb
[05:14] <a1a121> bash: deb: command not found
[05:14] <a1a121> i get this
[05:15] <jrib> read what it says, don't just copy commands
[05:33] <a1a121> jrib: i just installed ntfs-3g, how do i move something from my desktop to my win partition?
[05:33] <jrib> a1a121: please don't double post questions, that's annoying
[05:36] <a1a121> jrib: im just trying to get an answer asap
[05:36] <jrib> so is everyone else
[05:36] <a1a121> when i do cp
[05:36] <a1a121> i get this
[05:36] <jrib> it doesn't help if you ask the same question in two channels
[05:37] <a1a121> cp: cannot create regular file `/media/RTL1xxx_1.02.pkg.zip': Read-only file system
[05:37] <jrib> then two people try to help you instead of helping someone else
[05:37] <jrib> a1a121: I've never used ntfs-3g, #ubuntu is your best bet
[05:37] <a1a121> okay thanks
[07:34] <F00> hey. Thanks
[07:34] <foutrelis> :)
[07:34] <F00> Setting up libapache2-mod-php5 (5.1.6-1ubuntu2.3) ...
[07:34] <F00> root@WNDR:~/tmp/vhcs2.2/configs#
[07:34] <F00> done that too
[07:35] <foutrelis> F00: Could you please restart apache one more time?
[07:35] <foutrelis> F00: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[07:36] <F00> ok
[07:36] <F00> done it said [K]
[07:36] <F00> done it said [OK]
[07:37] <foutrelis> lets try [sudo a2enmod php5]  too
[07:37] <F00> root@WNDR:~# sudo a2enmod php5
[07:37] <F00> Module php5 installed; run /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload to enable.
[07:37] <F00> root@WNDR:~#
[07:37] <foutrelis> and restart apache once more :)
[07:38] <F00> [OK]
[07:38] <F00> huh
[07:38] <foutrelis> sudo a2enmod php5
[07:38] <F00> wtf
[07:38] <foutrelis> wrong paste.
[07:38] <F00> root@WNDR:~# sudo a2enmod php5
[07:38] <F00> This module is already enabled!
[07:38] <F00> root@WNDR:~#
[07:39] <foutrelis> sorry about that. wrong paste :)
[07:39] <F00> np
[07:39] <foutrelis> well php5 is enabled but it wasn't autoconfigured. :\
[07:39] <foutrelis> give me a minute
[07:40] <F00> foutrelis, i just noticed... /var/www/phpmyadmin is a shortcut to /usr/share/phpmyadmin
[07:40] <F00> is that right?
[07:40] <foutrelis> yes
[07:40] <F00> ok
[07:41] <foutrelis> just give me 2 minutes to find what conf file we need to edit :)
[07:41] <F00> ok
[07:41] <F00> thanks
[07:43] <foutrelis> cd /etc/apache2/mods-enabled
[07:44] <foutrelis> cat php5.conf | grep php
[07:44] <foutrelis> what's its output?
[07:44] <F00> root@WNDR:/etc/apache2/mods-enabled# cat php5.conf | grep php
[07:44] <F00> cat: php5.conf: No such file or directory
[07:44] <F00> root@WNDR:/etc/apache2/mods-enabled#
[07:44] <foutrelis> hmm
[07:46] <foutrelis> cd /etc/apache2/mods-enabled
[07:46] <foutrelis> sudo wget http://foutrelis.ath.cx/~foutrelis/php5.conf
[07:46] <foutrelis> sudo wget http://foutrelis.ath.cx/~foutrelis/php5.load
[07:47] <foutrelis> and then restart apache
[07:47] <foutrelis> I hope it works :)
[07:47] <F00> root@WNDR:/etc/apache2/mods-enabled# /etc/init.d/apache2 restart * Forcing reload of apache 2.0 web server... Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load:
[07:47] <F00> Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:47] <F00> [fail]
[07:47] <F00> root@WNDR:/etc/apache2/mods-enabled#
[07:48] <foutrelis> :\
[07:52] <foutrelis> could you give me your root's password in private so I can login via ssh?
[10:01] <phewl> teach me something :)
[10:05] <phewl> aw :(
[10:18] <jrib> phewl: a^p = a mod p