[00:00] <acuster> Jordan_U, is there a way to get there from the command-line if I can't get that far in X?
[00:00] <ubox> like the package manager lol
[00:00] <ikt> how does one set a bug report to 'public' from private
[00:00] <ikt> ?
[00:00] <drbobb> but gnome in jaunty does't work right for me due to h/w isues
[00:00] <ikt> in launchpad
[00:00] <DopeGhoti> I am _no_ fan of PackageKit.
[00:01] <ubox> i suppose all options will have their issues, and then more so for some than others. at least we all like the same conceptual operating system
[00:01] <ubox> me neither
[00:01] <ubox> it doesn't even list packages unless you search
[00:01] <Jordan_U> acuster: You can run "DISPLAY=:0.0 metacity --replace" from a tty while X is running, or "sudo apt-get remove compiz"
[00:01] <DopeGhoti> 'couse, I do most of my package managment in a terminal
[00:01] <ubox> i might install the gnome one, what is it's true name?
[00:01] <DopeGhoti> ubox: the package?  'ubuntu-desktop' I think
[00:01] <ubox> me too lately, but it is nice for browsing stuff
[00:02] <acuster> Jordan_U, thanks, I'll try with that
[00:02] <DopeGhoti> ubox: for browsing, I use apt-cache :)
[00:02] <ubox> that is the gnome package manager?
[00:02] <DopeGhoti> ubox: oh, that: synaptic I believe
[00:02] <ubox> oh :) lol i didn't know there was an option for it with apt
[00:02] <ubox> like the add/remove programs thing in the applications menu?
[00:02] <drbobb> well the old kde package manager was a lot more functional
[00:03] <drbobb> aptitude, iirc
[00:03] <drbobb> nope
[00:03] <DopeGhoti> ubox: I don't know if the Software Store¹ is in KDE or not
[00:03] <DopeGhoti> ¹: Or whatever it's called this weel
[00:03] <ubox> this one might be ok, if it could authenticate properly
[00:03] <drbobb> wait aptitude is the terminal package manager
[00:03] <drbobb> ah forgot the name already
[00:03] <ubox> synaptic was not too bad
[00:03] <ubox> old and cludgy though
[00:03] <drbobb> ok ,adept was the name
[00:04] <ubox> ok, i will try and get it
[00:04] <drbobb> but adept was deprecated and i don't think it's available in new releases anymore
[00:04] <ubox> it is in the karmic/universe
[00:05] <drbobb> it will bitrot, cause nobody maintains it, afaik
[00:06] <ubox> hmm, it doesn't look to have been adept. that worked though. still not the one though
[00:07] <drbobb> adept worked very well for browsing through what's available
[00:07] <ubox> i just updated yesterday and already 34 more
[00:07] <ubox> developement is fast
[00:09] <ubox> gnome-app-install
[00:09] <ubox> :)
[00:10] <Lars_G> So I'm here
[00:10] <Lars_G> is there word from the coronel?
[00:10] <DopeGhoti> Lars_G: no, you're there.  *I* am here.
[00:11] <olivier83> need help!!  i boot up ubuntu today and now i got no sound what going on??
[00:11] <Lars_G> Oh dogs, I got in the wrong place again
[00:11] <Lars_G> DopeGhoti: will you switch with me?
[00:11] <timber> why every file or folder in my computer has a green icon?
[00:11] <DopeGhoti> Lars_G: I can't. Wherever I go, I always seem to be here.
[00:11] <Lars_G> olivier83: jic checked your mixed volume?
[00:12] <olivier83> Lars_G yes and no muted
[00:12] <DopeGhoti> timber: green icons seemed to indicated' updating the icon, hold on a sec' earlier after a just-finished upgrade
[00:12] <timber> DopeGhoti: is an emblem
[00:12] <DopeGhoti> timber: Hmm. Screenshot?
[00:13] <Lars_G> yeah screenshotr
[00:13] <timber> dooglus: ubuntu-sychronized
[00:13] <timber> DopeGhoti: ubuntu-synchronized
[00:13] <timber> wait a minute
[00:14]  * Lars_G floats by
[00:15] <wildweathel> LP says that the green-icon issue was just fixed.
[00:15] <DopeGhoti> timber: were yousaying that your icons *are* emblems, or that they *have* them?
[00:16] <Lars_G> wildweathel: Loss Prevention?
[00:16] <timber> DopeGhoti: how can i send the screenshot?
[00:16] <timber> DopeGhoti: they have
[00:17] <Jordan_U> !paste | timber
[00:18] <wildweathel> LP=launchpad
[00:18] <wildweathel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/450112
[00:19] <timber> http://imagebin.org/67680 and http://imagebin.org/67681
[00:19] <legend2440> timber: green checkmarks?  they are a known bug. the devs in #ubuntuone said they have a fix that will be released soon
[00:19] <timber> legend2440: i got it...thanks
[00:21] <acuster> any pointers for fixing a mixed up grub2 setup from the liveCD?
[00:21]  * acuster forgets the error message, soemthing about an invalid environment
[00:22]  * IndyGunFreak hates grub2
[00:22] <olivier83> need help!!  i boot up ubuntu today and now i got no sound what going on??
[00:22]  * legend2440 hates Grub2 too
[00:23]  * DopeGhoti knocks on wood, as he is having no trouble with grub-pc
[00:23] <acuster> no man pages! grrr
[00:24] <acuster> oooh, i am wrong! cool.
[00:26] <wildweathel> oliver, did it work before?
[00:27] <froodie> is there any sign that nvidia problems will be fixed in the next while?
[00:27]  * acuster contemplates the fourth install
[00:27] <zaccour> is it a good time to upgrade to beta?
[00:27] <froodie> not for me ;_;
[00:27] <DopeGhoti> zaccour: that depends on how dear stability is to your heart.
[00:28] <wildweathel> If you have an Alienware m5550, yes.  Can't speak for other hardware.
[00:28] <zaccour> i don't like the brown theme in 9.10 when i upgrade later i'm changin the theme colors and wallpaper back to 9.04 style
[00:28] <zaccour> i mean the shade is too dark imo and in 9.04 its beautiful
[00:28] <DopeGhoti> zaccour: Huh. I just upgraded, and my theme was grey, not brown.  I dig it.
[00:29] <zaccour> DopeGhoti, i thought its a dark brown
[00:29] <zaccour> they changed to gray?
[00:29] <zaccour> when did it change to gray?
[00:30] <cwillu_at_work> can somebody confirm a bug for me?  Openoffice, calc document, make one cell a number, and another cell a formula using the first cell.  Copy the second cell, and try to paste the value (not the formula) via ctrl-shift-v (deselect 'all' and 'formula', and make sure 'numbers' is selected)
[00:31] <cwillu_at_work> Should result in the value being pasted, I just get an empty cell
[00:31] <zaccour> when did it change to gray from brown? are you serious?
[00:31] <wildweathel> cwillu, I'm trying it now.
[00:31] <cwillu_at_work> wildweathel, thanks :)
[00:32] <cwillu_at_work> zaccour, I suggest filing a bug: "Grey is not a shade of Brown.  Neither is Gray" :)
[00:34] <acuster> I suspect the grey thing is a beta branding
[00:34] <wildweathel> cwillu, make sure that "numbers" is checked.  I did that and it worked.
[00:34] <acuster> and that the real release will have colour restored
[00:34] <cwillu_at_work> wildweathel, doesn't work here :/
[00:34] <acuster> but yes, 9.04 is particularly tasteful
[00:34] <cwillu_at_work> (yes, I've got numbers checked)
[00:35] <cwillu_at_work> wildweathel, ugh
[00:35] <cwillu_at_work> wildweathel, try it with a forumula pointing to a formula pointing to a value
[00:35] <KnifeySpooney> Uhh. I just ran a daily update and now my two windows partitions and my cd drive are given the iPod icon instead of the hard drive icon
[00:35] <cwillu_at_work> (i.e., one more formula)
[00:37] <wildweathel> My version is 1:3.1.1-4ubuntu1.  I think there was an update recently.
[00:38] <cwillu_at_work> wildweathel, it works here on the first formula, but not in a formula pointing to a formula
[00:38] <wildweathel> Okay, I'll try that.
[00:39] <cwillu_at_work> hmm, no, that works too
[00:39] <wildweathel> No, it still works.  What's your test case?
[00:39] <cwillu_at_work> wildweathel, give me a sec, I'll send you the file
[00:40] <wildweathel> Can't send over IRC, I'm on empathy..
[00:40] <cwillu_at_work> it's a sum of a few rows + a tax calculation, and I can't paste the results, although I can paste every test case I've told you so far :p
[00:40] <wildweathel> You're using the latest version?
[00:40] <cwillu_at_work> yes
[00:41] <cwillu_at_work> but, the problem is actually related to a filter that I had on the data, let me check if that's actually a known bug first
[00:41] <wildweathel> Maybe there's something in the more complex test case, then.
[00:41] <wildweathel> Oh, like filtering.
[00:41] <cwillu_at_work> well, you should be able to copy and paste out of a filter, that's the whole point
[00:41] <wildweathel> Right.
[00:42] <wildweathel> If the data's not confidential, you should file a report including it.
[00:42] <cwillu_at_work> I can strip out the confidential info easily enough
[00:43] <cwillu_at_work> ugh, I just did that thing where I reflexively 'ctrl-a, ctrl-c, alt-tab, ctrl-v', and now I'm waiting for oo to copy a few billion empty cells :(
[00:43] <cwillu_at_work> there, done :p
[00:43] <wildweathel> lol.
[00:45] <cwillu_at_work> wildweathel, okay, so it works in a different file, but the same data
[00:45] <thumper> attn kde people: latest update causes ubuntu-bug script to fail with http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/292710/
[00:45] <cwillu_at_work> <3
[00:46] <zaccour> so the selected window color for beta should not be dark brown?
[00:46] <alteregoa> zfs for linux
[00:47] <cwillu_at_work> alteregoa, you mean btrfs?
[00:47] <cwillu_at_work> :p
[00:48] <wildweathel> thumper, I think you should try "ubuntu-bug ubuntu-bug" ;)
[00:49] <thumper> wildweathel: funny, but I've tried that :)
[00:49] <KnifeySpooney> Uhh. I just ran a daily update and now my two windows partitions and my cd drive are given the iPod icon instead of the hard drive icon
[00:50] <KnifeySpooney> anyone know how to return the normal icons?
[00:50] <wildweathel> I think it's a bug.
[00:50]  * wildweathel checks launchpad
[00:50] <KnifeySpooney> wildweathel: did you mean me? Is this happening to you too?
[00:50] <james^^> hi, why was ttf-bitstream-vera removed from ubuntu 9.10 desktop?
[00:51] <jbuncher> What's with the new icons today?  Why do my internal drives look like mp3players?
[00:54] <cwillu_at_work> jbuncher, rather unfortunate bug introduced in the last hal update, it converts internal devices into ipod's.  I took 2 iTouches and a nano out of my server just yesterday where I had two 500gb satas and a _really_ expensive solid state drive the day before :(
[00:54]  * cwillu_at_work shakes his fist at the apple gods
[00:55] <HoopyCat> cwillu_at_work:  can i backport this to jaunty?  i have a bunch of hard drives, but no portable music experience managers
[00:55] <jbuncher> cwillu_at_work, har har, but seriously.  I also seem to have a green check-mark next to every icon in nautilus.
[00:55] <wildweathel> Green check bug is known and was recently fixed
[00:55] <james^^> Any ideas about the missing bitstream fonts in Ubuntu 9.10?
[00:55] <jbuncher> wildweathel, lol recently fixed?  it just showed up today?
[00:56] <Lars_G> jbuncher: they're fast
[00:56] <wildweathel> That's what launchpad says.
[00:56] <wildweathel> I haven't actually installed the update, since it hasn't percolated through the mirrors yet.
[00:56] <wildweathel> Actually,
[00:56]  * wildweathel checks.
[00:56] <jbuncher> Lars_G, I guess so.  Hopefully the drive icons get fixed as well.  Internal drives should not look like ipods.  I'll just have to wait until the green check fix hits the repos
[00:57] <KnifeySpooney> @wildweathel: lol, i just uninstalled ubuntuone because that green check annoyed me so much. I won't even use ubuntu one anyway
[00:58] <KnifeySpooney> Is anyone else having issues with Compiz's "normal" resizing setting?
[00:58] <KnifeySpooney> it shows white rectangles where the window border should be whenever I resize
[00:58] <KnifeySpooney> I can use any of the other resize types fine
[01:00] <wildweathel> Resize is working okay for me.
[01:00] <jonathank89> hello all
[01:01] <jonathank89> I've been testing karmic for a while now and it's been working great! but after a batch updates i've been getting this really annoying system beep. eg. if i'm in gedit and there's nothing in the document and press backspace it beeps
[01:03] <wildweathel> Oops.  I was mucking about with pulse earlier today and managed to turn it off.
[01:03] <dotblank> Can anyone test the guest session in 9.10 cause in my VM it fails miserably
[01:03] <wildweathel> So, these instructions are blind: but,
[01:03] <wildweathel> jon, try right-clicking the speaker icon -> sound preferences.
[01:04] <Lars_G> Odd there's a bug I'm sure, almost know, others have, and I can't find anything on LP, I knwo must be there but must be searching wrongly
[01:04] <Lars_G> basically the machine will suspend every time I connect or disconnect AC
[01:05] <dotblank> How does the grub pop-up in 9.10 cause it seems to randomly show up for me
[01:05] <KnifeySpooney> Does anybody know why my two Windows partitions and my CD-ROM drive are being given an MP3 player icon?
[01:06] <wildweathel> Lars, you might be the discoverer of that bug.  Congrats!
[01:06] <Lars_G> wildweathel: o.O
[01:06] <wildweathel> Knifey, I'm trying to find the bug in launchpad, but I'm not having much luck.
[01:06] <undeconstructed1> wow, unexpected win.  If anyone else comes along with a failing boot and an nvidia card, suggest boot from livecd, chroot to there installation, go to their apt cache and run dpkg -i nvidia*180*.deb
[01:06] <KnifeySpooney> wildweathel: Oh, i didn't know you meant me. Thanks then :)
[01:07] <wildweathel> I think what's happening is that HAL is calling your windows partitions music players.
[01:07] <wildweathel> I'm seeing the same thing with my livecd.
[01:07] <Volkodav> guest session seems to be buggy all over - Snow Leopard's as well
[01:07] <bjsnider> devicekit, not hal
[01:07] <KnifeySpooney> Ah
[01:07] <KnifeySpooney> and yeah, i thought hal was replaced
[01:07] <jonathank89> wildweathel, i've looked in there i turned off all sound alerts, its the pc speaker like.
[01:07] <bjsnider> dave has shut down hal
[01:07]  * cwillu_at_work starts singing 'daisy'
[01:08] <Lars_G> hal is still pumping our xorg config afaik
[01:08] <wildweathel> Well, that would explain why there are no bugs in HAL!  lol.
[01:09] <coz_> KnifeySpooney, did you try one of the other resize options like stretch or rectangle ?
[01:09] <KnifeySpooney> Yes, the other types work fine
[01:09] <coz_> KnifeySpooney,  ok
[01:09] <coz_> hey guys are there any issues with intel video on karmic ?
[01:09] <cwillu_at_work> coz_, not really
[01:10] <davisc> I know this is a very general question, but is there a simple/known fix for nvidia problems on karmic?
[01:10] <coz_> davisc,  which issues?
[01:10] <bjsnider> davisc, are you having such problems?
[01:10] <davisc> coz_: Yes, but the latest karmic kernel fixed it for me
[01:10] <cwillu_at_work> coz_, at least, not general issues; you'll have to search for your chipset to get any more detail
[01:10] <dmj727> COmpiz with the cube worked fine for me on an eee pc 900.
[01:10] <dotblank> hmm odd if ubuntu cleanly shuts down then it doesnt show grub. anyway to envoke it?
[01:10] <dmj727> try pressing escape during boot?
[01:10] <coz_> KnifeySpooney,  did you do sudo apt-get update  then   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:10] <davisc> coz_: Well, a friend is. Just about to SSH into her machine and was wondering if there was a big known issue
[01:11] <KnifeySpooney> coz_: I ran 'sudo apt-get update' then 'sudo apt-get upgrade'
[01:11] <coz_> davisc,  well so far on this system no  I havent seen any issues
[01:11] <cwillu_at_work> davisc, I haven't had any nvidia issues myself
[01:11] <Travis-42> The following root process is taking up all of my CPU: "/usr/bin/X :0 -br -verbose -auth /var/run/gsm/auth-for-gdm-stuff/database -nolisten tcp vt8" any ideas?
[01:11] <bjsnider> davisc, when you do, run dkms status
[01:11] <KnifeySpooney> coz_: I have to run 'dist-upgrade' not just 'upgrade'?
[01:11] <cwillu_at_work> Travis-42, is cryptsetup installed?
[01:11] <coz_> KnifeySpooney,   no   sudo apt-get update  then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:11] <Travis-42> cwillu_at_work: yes
[01:11] <davisc> cwillu_at_work: Cool, well then at least it should work somehow :-)
[01:11] <cwillu_at_work> Travis-42, known bug
[01:11] <KnifeySpooney> coz_: Ok, I'll try that now
[01:11] <davisc> bjsnider: Okie dokie
[01:12] <undeconstructed1> davisc: I've had nvidia problems today, but they seem specific to me, other people have had other nvidia things, not sure what the deal is
[01:12] <Travis-42> cwillu_at_work: any workarounds?
[01:12] <Travis-42> it won't let me kill the process
[01:12] <Lars_G> I think I'll have to make udev debug
[01:12] <cwillu_at_work> Travis-42, it's a race condition, a slower computer will fix it I think :p
[01:12] <Travis-42> heh
[01:12] <cwillu_at_work> Travis-42, "sudo stop gdm; sudo start gdm"
[01:13] <cwillu_at_work> Travis-42, alternatively, boot up into single user mode, and start gdm by hand
[01:13] <ojii> hi all, I tried to update but I get "Not all updates can be installed" in update-manager, what does that mean and how do I fix it?
[01:13] <cwillu_at_work> (well, sudo start gdm)
[01:13] <ojii> in apt-get it tells me something about 'packages being held back'
[01:13] <wildweathel> In my case, it was a bad hard drive.
[01:13] <KnifeySpooney> coz_: Ah, I already see an update for the package called 'devicekit-disks'. That's probably the fix right there.
[01:14] <ojii> wildweathel: how would I check if it's really a bad hard drive?
[01:14] <coz_> KnifeySpooney, essentially  upgrade is used to install the newest versions of all packages currently installed on the system  where as  dist-upgrade, in addition to performing the function of upgrade, also intelligently handles changing dependencies with new versions
[01:14] <coz_> of packages"
[01:14] <ojii> wildweathel: and how would apt know how well my harddrive feels?
[01:14] <undeconstructed1> ojii: running synaptic will show you the details, it sounds like you updated at a bad moment and there's some inconsistency in the index
[01:14] <KnifeySpooney> coz_: Oh. That may explain other breaks i've had in my system before .. (oops) .. great tip to know!
[01:15] <wildweathel> Well, when you get Karmic installed, it has this sweet little app that tells you.
[01:15] <coz_> KnifeySpooney,  no problem and on a beta OS like karmic  dist-upgrade is probably a good idea on occasion maybe even every other day :)
[01:15] <coz_> KnifeySpooney,   at least until release
[01:15] <ojii> undeconstructed1: synaptic wants to remove ubuntuone client and also talks about stuff being held back, it doesn't warn as explicit as update-manager tho
[01:16] <davisc> bjsnider: dkms status comes back blank
[01:16] <bjsnider> blank?
[01:16] <bjsnider> install nvidia-glx-185
[01:16] <davisc> Is there a replacement for the linux-restricted package in karmic?
[01:16] <bjsnider> i'm assuming this is a modern card
[01:16] <KnifeySpooney> coz_: Yeah i've been eager to run updates every day because something cool comes out almost every day. Should I run 'dist-upgrade' even after the finalrelease is out, or is this only for the beta?
[01:16] <ojii> oh also sudo apt-get update runs WAY too fast
[01:16] <davisc> bjsnider: GeForce 8400M GS
[01:17] <bjsnider> yeah, that's fine
[01:17] <davisc> bjsnider: nvidia-glx-185 already installed
[01:17] <coz_> KnifeySpooney,  after release   dist-upgrade once a month  may be enough   but during pre release stages it is smart to run that at least every other day as I said :)
[01:17] <bjsnider> davisc, try modprobe nvidia
[01:17] <KnifeySpooney> coz_: Ok, thanks for the help! Updates are finished so i'll restart
[01:17] <coz_> ok
[01:18] <wildweathel> ojii, if you want to check your HDD, info is here: http://www.averyjparker.com/2009/01/12/checking-the-smart-details-of-a-hard-drive-with-an-ubuntu-boot-cd/
[01:18] <wildweathel> you don't need to boot if you're already running ubuntu, of course.
[01:18] <davisc> bjsnider: FATAL: Module nvidia not found
[01:18] <davisc> I'm obviously missing some package...
[01:18] <bjsnider> davisc, install nvidia-185-kernel-source
[01:18] <ojii> wildweathel: tried to run SMART the other day but that takes AGES
[01:19] <davisc> bjsnider: Already there...
[01:19] <wildweathel> Just look at the report.
[01:19] <bjsnider> davisc, reinstall that package
[01:19] <wildweathel> There should be very few bad sectors.
[01:19] <wildweathel> But, (for example) I had ~130,000 on an 80 GB disk.
[01:20] <lfaraone> How do I disable the system beep in Karmic?
[01:20] <wildweathel> PC speaker beep, or sound effects?
[01:20] <lfaraone> wildweathel: Speaker beep.
[01:20] <wildweathel> Ifara, hmm, not sure.
[01:20] <bjsnider> there's a kernel module for that, pc_spkr or something
[01:21] <wildweathel> I'm kinda busy though, so if you could wait a few minutes...
[01:21] <bjsnider> you blacklist it
[01:21] <davisc> bjsnider: Haha! modprobe nvidia now works :-)
[01:21] <lfaraone> bjsnider: tried "sudo modprobe pcspkr", no output, but it still beeps
[01:21] <lfaraone> bjsnider: tried "sudo modprobe -r pcspkr", no output, but it still beeps
[01:21] <bjsnider> davisc, try dkms status
[01:21] <davisc> bjsnider: Yeah, now gives me nvidia, 185.18.36, 2.6.31-13-generic, i686: installed
[01:21]  * davisc starts gdm
[01:21] <bjsnider> davisc, now it will work
[01:22] <lfaraone> bjsnider: it's already blacklisted in modprobe.
[01:22] <bjsnider> must be a new procedure then
[01:23] <Lars_G> someday I'll have to restart my machine to make my nvidia driver and module match
[01:24] <wildweathel> Ifra, what does "lsmod | grep pcspeaker" show?
[01:24] <lfaraone> I guess bug 77010 must be reopened.
[01:24] <bjsnider> i think it's exclusively in alsa/pulse now
[01:24] <lfaraone> wildweathel: "".
[01:25] <ojii> wildweathel: do you mean "reallocated sector count"? I have 1, is that bad?
[01:25] <cwillu_at_work> ojii, not especially, no
[01:25] <ojii> okay
[01:25] <wildweathel> Not really.  It's probably an issue with the repositories, then.
[01:26] <ojii> hm okay
[01:26] <ojii> really hope that those update fix those annoying icon-bugs
[01:26] <wildweathel> The green checks, yes.  But, I'm not sure that the music player thing has been reported yet.
[01:27] <ojii> yea just got the music player after reboot and the green checks bfore
[01:27] <ojii> and yea it looks very much like repositories failing, sudo apt-get update is done in 1 second, that's not really possible with 400KB/s for 10MB worth of repository index I usually have
[01:29] <davisc> bjsnider: Cheers. That seems to have worked. I should know all this, just didn't know the package that the driver came in :-)
[01:30] <bjsnider> no prob
[01:30] <wildweathel> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devicekit-disks/007-2ubuntu2  Yay!  Here comes the media player icon bug fix.
[01:30] <ojii> nice
[01:30] <ojii> is it a bad idea to do a partial upgrade?
[01:31] <wildweathel> On the forum, there's some info about that.
[01:31] <wildweathel> Not always.
[01:31] <wildweathel> But, usually.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1286309
[01:34] <vox> is thumbnail generation broken in nautilus?
[01:34] <wildweathel> vox, I don't think so.
[01:34]  * wildweathel checks.
[01:35] <alteregoa> xorg is a cpu hog
[01:35] <vox> i've installed every gstreamer package i can find, and nautilus is refusing to generate thumbnails for .avi/.mpg/etc
[01:35] <alteregoa> it uses 50 percent cpu for unknow reason
[01:35] <coz_> vox,   open nautilus  and   Edit  Preferences
[01:36] <coz_> vox,  go to the Preview tab and make  Other previewable files   "only for files amaller than" and make that  1 gig
[01:36] <coz_> vox,   see if they show up then
[01:36] <vox> nup
[01:36] <vox> no change
[01:36] <coz_> vox,  mm
[01:37] <wildweathel> vox, do those files play?
[01:37] <coz_> yeah do they open at all?
[01:37] <vox> wildweathel: yes
[01:37] <coz_> vox,  unless you have a fairly low end video card
[01:38] <coz_> vox,   which card do you have?
[01:38] <wildweathel> Okay, I'm getting my external HDD of many animes to try it with some video files...
[01:38] <coz_> although the previews should works regardless I beleive
[01:38] <vox> coz_: nvidia 9600gt
[01:38] <coz_> vox,  oh that's more than efficient enough :)
[01:39] <vox> yeah
[01:39] <coz_> vox,  is this a clean install of karmic  or an upgrade from jaunty?
[01:39] <vox> clean install
[01:39] <vox> 3 days old
[01:39] <coz_> vox,  mm  I have nvidia here as well....  did this happen right after install or just recently after updates?
[01:40] <vox> it hasnt worked since karmic was installed
[01:40] <coz_> vox,    then it may have been a bad install... did you check the disck  or md5sums before installing?
[01:40] <coz_> vox,  did you check disk with the live cd or the md5sums
[01:40] <coz_> ?
[01:41] <vox> md5sum was correct
[01:41] <vox> i must just be missing a codec somewhere
[01:41] <coz_> vox,  ok open a terminal run  sudo apt-get update  then   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:42] <vox> did that three hours ago :)
[01:42] <coz_> damn
[01:42] <wildweathel> Oops.  I think I need to restart thanks to devkit upgrade.  Be back in a couple of minutes
[01:42] <coz_> vox,   then I am puzzled..... since this is beta  I would just go ahead and reinstall to see if the same situation occurs,,,if it does I would redownload the live cd
[01:43] <vox> it's not a huge concern, just a bit of a "...what the"
[01:44] <vox> i'll re-install when karmic is in full release if need be
[01:44] <coz_> vox,  well my guess is that  this issue may efffect other things...i would try a reinstall just to see if it occurs again
[01:45] <wildweathel> back.
[01:46] <wildweathel> Oh, noes.   It looks like my external disk isn't automounting...
[01:47] <wildweathel> oop, no there it is.
[01:47] <wildweathel> Slow, though.
[01:48] <ojii> speaking of slow, is it normal that karmic takes 4 times as long to boot than jaunty?
[01:48] <wildweathel> ojii, No, it should be much faster
[01:48] <wildweathel> well,
[01:48] <wildweathel> at least a little. :)
[01:48] <ojii> that's what I thought
[01:49] <ojii> my last boot on jaunty: 25 seconds, the last boot i did (karmic): 1 minute 34 secs
[01:49] <wildweathel> Well, video thumbnails work for me.
[01:49] <ojii> also filed this to launchpad a couple of days ago but didn't see any action on it
[01:50] <wildweathel> Link to bug, please
[01:50] <ojii> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/444405
[01:50] <vox> coz_: just worked it out. some $obscure ffmpeg package wasnt installed
[01:50] <coz_> vox, oh cool
[01:51] <coz_> vox,   thats interesting   do you have the exact name of the package?
[01:51] <Amaranth> !info boot
[01:51] <vox> coz_: heh i dont now, just closed synaptic
[01:51] <Amaranth> ojii: you filed it against the wrong package
[01:51] <ojii> oh
[01:51] <coz_> vox,  ok well it should be in history but that's ok
[01:51] <ojii> how do I fix that Amaranth
[01:51] <blueglasses> info !rtkit-deamon
[01:51] <ojii> ?
[01:52] <blueglasses> !info rtkit-deamon
[01:52] <Amaranth> although scott seems to have noticed people were doing this as he subscribed to all 'boot' bugs
[01:52] <mandara> does the two way sync(read/write) with google calendar works now in evolution 2.28?
[01:53] <blueglasses> !rtkit-deamon
[01:53] <ojii> Amaranth: what's the correct package then?
[01:54] <Amaranth> ojii: depends on where the slow down is
[01:54] <ojii> well how would I know?
[01:54] <alteregoa> does bonobo reflect the sexual activity of their species?
[01:54] <ojii> that's what I filed the bug for, so ppl can find out
[01:54] <wildweathel> It looks like you have some more digging to do (sorry).
[01:54] <Amaranth> ojii: look at your bootchart
[01:55] <ojii> I did
[01:55] <Amaranth> alteregoa: Uh, what?
[01:55] <wildweathel> And compare it to /var/log/messages
[01:55] <ojii> Amaranth: it's just loads of times/bars/names for me
[01:55] <alteregoa> yeah bonobos are known for the most sexual active mammals including humans
[01:55] <Amaranth> ojii: oh, not a bug
[01:55] <Amaranth> ojii: bootchart is configured to run 45 seconds after the boot is finished so it can profile the desktop too
[01:55] <blueglasses> !info rtkit-daemon
[01:56] <alteregoa> and i think whats up with this bonboboactivationserver
[01:56] <ojii> Amaranth: meaning?
[01:56] <Amaranth> ojii: so subtract 45 seconds from the time it says and you get something similar to your jaunty time
[01:56] <blueglasses> anyone knows what is this package?
[01:56] <alteregoa> just use a debian package instead
[01:56] <ojii> Amaranth: nope, 96 - 45 = 51, 51 > 25! actually twice!
[01:57] <Amaranth> ojii: my boot is twice as slow too
[01:57] <Amaranth> ojii: did you upgrade or do a clean install?
[01:57] <ojii> upgrade
[01:57] <alteregoa> i got a billion english bytes
[01:57] <Amaranth> ojii: sreadahead doesn't take location on disk or fragmentation into account so it seeks really badly
[01:57] <ojii> but I had no regression when i upgraded to jaunty 6 months ago...
[01:57] <ojii> and it's really notably slower
[01:58] <Jordan_U> Amaranth: I thouhg that was only used with ssds?
[01:58] <Amaranth> ojii: so clean installs will be about as fast as jaunty or faster but upgrades will almost certainly get slower
[01:58] <Amaranth> Jordan_U: nope, readahead isn't even in the archive anymore
[01:58] <alteregoa> yeah there is no way to defrag with karmic because the e4defrag isnt in the kernel
[01:58] <shawn_> How stable is karmic so far?
[01:58] <Amaranth> sreadahead is used for all systems
[01:58] <Jordan_U> Amaranth: :(
[01:58] <alteregoa> shawn unstable at all
[01:58] <alteregoa> wait aprox 3 months after releasing the final
[01:58] <wildweathel> shawn: if you don't like pain, stick with Jaunty.
[01:58] <ojii> Amaranth: how did my upgrade to jaunty get faster then? And is there some way to remove that slow down even tho I upgraded? Clean install is absolutely no option
[01:59] <shawn_> alteregoa Oh really? I got Jaunty like the day it was released in final... I should really wait 3 months?
[01:59] <alteregoa> shawn:; you ask me something, and accept it or don't ask anymore
[01:59] <Amaranth> ojii: jaunty got faster because ext3/4 doesn't fragment unless you run out of disk space and readahead loaded files from the disk in the order they are laid out on the disk
[02:00] <ojii> I use ext4
[02:00] <Amaranth> ojii: sreadahead just loads them in the order they are used by the boot so it seeks a lot
[02:00] <alteregoa> shawn: i know its what i said, gdm and all those underlying stuff is still buggy
[02:00] <alteregoa> lol ext3 doesnt fragment don't tell lies please
[02:01] <Amaranth> alteregoa: you'll get about 5% fragmentation after using it for a year (if that) so long as you keep the partition less than 80% full
[02:01] <alteregoa> every FS fragments, but in real-life you didn't notice that
[02:01] <Amaranth> ext4 even more so
[02:01] <wildweathel> So, how did readahead know what order the files were on disk?
[02:01] <alteregoa> get a SSD drive, so you can use 98 percent of the space
[02:02] <Amaranth> wildweathel: If you stat them you get the inode so you can sort by that
[02:02] <Amaranth> still some seeking to stat them but it only takes like 200ms or so iirc
[02:02] <alteregoa> myspace is changing to ssd arrays
[02:03] <alteregoa> 1000x better IOPS
[02:03] <Amaranth> alteregoa: even only using 80% of a HDD I get more storage than 100% of an SSD for the same price
[02:03] <Amaranth> or even for double the price
[02:03] <alteregoa> gnome spaghetti code monitor eats 50 percent of my cpu
[02:04] <Amaranth> alteregoa: Do you even program?
[02:04] <alteregoa> yes, in c
[02:04] <Amaranth> Apparently not well enough to know better...
[02:04] <alteregoa> and in the past with turbo pascal, and basic
[02:04] <dumby_> anyone get VMWare Tools install sucessful  on 9.10? i need help on it ~ all i got after install is black screen
[02:04] <alteregoa> amaranth: yeah im not a professional, im just a amateur
[02:04] <neoTheCat> hello.  i updated my desktop to 9.10, everything worked fine.  on my laptop, when i upgraded, firefox complains about the wrong sqlite version, yet it is the same version as my desktop.  any ideas?
[02:05] <alteregoa> skalariak is cool
[02:06] <dumby_> !VMtools
[02:07] <dumby_> !VMware
[02:08] <LordMetroid> How do I get the Japanese input activated
[02:08] <dumby_> LordMetroid: System -> Admin -> Lang. Support
[02:08] <LordMetroid> SCIM doesn't seem to appear with anthy in the notification area and I can not use the key to switch between alphabetic and japanese
[02:08] <dumby_> 9.10 use ibus ~
[02:09] <LordMetroid> dumby_, I've installed Japanese and choosen a japanese keyboard
[02:09] <dumby_> LordMetroid:  System -> Pref. -> iBus
[02:10] <LordMetroid> よしゃ
[02:10] <LordMetroid> there we go
[02:10] <LordMetroid> thank you
[02:11] <Laibcoms> hmm... grub2 is supposed to be using UUID right?
[02:12] <dumby_> Laibcoms: default yes~ you can switch that off thou
[02:13] <mole_> i just updated to karmic and now my flash sound isn't working... now cause of the new linux kernel i have two sound devices so i need to make firefox use /dev/dsp1 instead of /dev/dsp but /etc/firefoxrc i don't see a documented option for this
[02:13] <mole_> anyone have any clue
[02:14] <dumby_> anyone get VMWare Tools install sucessful  on 9.10? i need help on it ~ all i got after install is black screen
[02:14] <kklimonda> doesn't flash use pulseaudio?
[02:14] <kklimonda> though some alsa plugins
[02:14] <Laibcoms> dumby_: ah thanks. Im having problems with Karmic following the HDD cable setup instead of my BIOS setup. I checked grub.cfg on a fresh install and the new grub.cfg produced after update-grub is run.  I noticed that grub2 is using the old format (/dev/sd*), known bug?
[02:15] <Laibcoms> On a fresh install, grub2 used UUID
[02:15] <mole_> i have no idea... not really familiar with pulseaudio
[02:15] <Amaranth> dumby_: this is known, vmware needs to update the tools
[02:15] <kklimonda> mole_, is flash the only place you have no sound?
[02:16] <alteregoa> skype doesnt work with junky nor with kazmic
[02:16] <mole_> kklimonda: that i've noticed.... amarok works by default... teamspeak i changed to /dev/dsp1 and it started working
[02:17] <dumby_> Laibcoms: what old format?
[02:17] <Laibcoms> dumby_: /dev/sda ; /dev/sdb
[02:17] <kklimonda>  /dev/dsp? you are still using OSS then.. curious.. I haven't had any experience with OSS for years..
[02:18] <mole_> i guess i could just remove the second sound card i was just wondering if there is a way to change it
[02:18] <mole_> alsa uses /dev/dsp too
[02:18] <mole_> i'm pretty sure
[02:18] <dumby_> Laibcoms: i don't know they change that ~ but (hd0,1) is the first partition insted of (hd0,0)
[02:19] <kklimonda> mole_, /dev/dsp is only for oss emulation
[02:19] <dumby_> Amaranth: oh ~ so no work yet ?
[02:19] <mole_> kklimonda: i don't believe you
[02:19] <Laibcoms> dumby_: since Karmic is following the "cable" setup of my HDD and not my BIOS boot-order, my SATA where Ubuntu and XP are installed becomes /dev/sdb - and XP fails to boot. But if I change grub.cfg back to using UUID, it works fine.
[02:20] <Laibcoms> dumby_: but thanks! will try to search the launchpad if any.  :D
[02:20] <mole_> maybe u r right i dunno
[02:21] <dumby_> Laibcoms: i don't think /dev/sd* order are meant to follow the boot-order in bios
[02:22] <dumby_> Laibcoms: since you are booting well~ what changes are you trying to make?
[02:24] <Laibcoms> dumby_: hoping to make update-grub to default to UUID instead of /dev/sd*  but grub2 is new so Im still trying to learn the new system ^^;;
[02:24] <Laibcoms> dumby_: so if there are kernel updates, I don't have to edit grub.cfg everytime :p
[02:32]  * IndyGunFreak hates grub2
[02:32] <IndyGunFreak> do we really need a full featured menu to choose between OS's?
[02:34]  * dumby_ agree with IndyGunFreak
[02:34] <ripps> well, they've been really throwing out the updates lately
[02:39] <dschulz> hi
[02:40] <dschulz> anyone noticed weird behavior while reproducing sound and switching between ttys?
[02:41] <dschulz> is it normal that all activity in tty07 (Xorg) stops when one switchs to tty01 ?
[02:42] <RussellAlan> i always do this by accident... how do i view my windows in a flat layout
[02:42] <RussellAlan> a second ago, i screamed and moved my mouse upward and clicked something, lol, and of course it pulled up a flat layout of the windows.
[02:45] <Jordan_U> dschulz: Pulseaudio ( for security reasons? ) stopps outputting when you are on a different tty that the sound was produced from, and it pauses any apps trying to output to pulse
[02:46] <dschulz> Jordan_U: sounds like a good explanation, I was expecting something like that :)
[02:46] <alteregoa> dwight schultz
[02:47] <alteregoa> hey murdoch
[02:47] <dschulz> haha
[02:47] <alteregoa> reginald barclay
[02:47] <dschulz> this is diego, not dwight :)
[02:48] <alteregoa> diego, what a goddess
[02:48] <dschulz> but i'm a big fan of a team
[02:48] <dschulz> as everyone born in the 80s here in Paraguay
[02:48] <alteregoa> yeah ok james
[02:49] <alteregoa> paraguay paranormal paranoid
[02:49] <alteregoa> whats so special in paraguay?
[02:50] <dschulz> look at uncyclopedia for a good definition :)
[02:50] <dschulz> that Josef Mengele was here?
[02:51] <alteregoa> yeah
[02:51] <alteregoa> he was married to a guarani girl
[02:51] <dschulz> naa, that's not true
[02:52] <alteregoa> that was a joke
[02:55] <alteregoa> broccoli
[02:56] <alteregoa> heh barclay
[02:58] <ransom> hey all.  I having trouble getting Karmic beta to load from a USB.  It will load just fine until it is time for GDM to come up, then I just get a blinking mouse cursor.  I know a few other people have had this issue.  Any suggestions?
[02:59] <ransom> oh, and I am pretty sure it is a GDM issue, b/c Kubuntu and Xubuntu load just fine.
[03:01] <Jordan_U> ransom: Does it boot from the LiveCD ok?
[03:01] <cdm101> whaa? update-manager's back to gksudo? :(
[03:01] <ransom> Jordan_U yeah, it does
[03:02] <ransom> Jordan_U: i tried both using unetbootin and the built-in USB creator
[03:02] <Jordan_U> cdm101: back? It's always used gksudo
[03:02] <cdm101> Jordan_U: nah, in Karmic it switched over to PolicyKit and aptd
[03:03] <mips-BR> hey there evry1.. I ran across a serious trouble over here
[03:03] <mips-BR> anyone could give me some advice? I upgraded libncurses5 to 5.7 and now everything I run, that was linked to the older versions 5.6 and lower, segfaults!!!
[03:04] <Jordan_U> cdm101: Ahh, Software Center uses PolicyKit and will eventually replace update-manager at least
[03:04] <mips-BR> has anyone gone through the same?
[03:04] <GodfatherofEire1> Is that whole issue with nm-applet & static IPs fixed?
[03:04] <ransom> cdm101: yeah, i heard that change will take place in the next version
[03:05] <cdm101> Jordan_U: for some time in Karmic, update-manager started using policykit and aptdaemon just like software-center.
[03:05] <cdm101> ransom: meh, I liked the new way of doing things :-/
[03:05] <Jordan_U> cdm101: Use packagekit-gnome ;)
[03:06] <cdm101> I mean, to me it doesn't really matter which is used, it just seemed that the new way was better and was a nice default.
[03:06] <Amaranth> Jordan_U: nope, update-manager is the one thing software-center isn't going to replace
[03:06] <cdm101> Amaranth: thought that was in the distant future or something?
[03:07] <GodfatherofEire1> Also, any devs of Karmic in here?
[03:07] <Amaranth> cdm101: if the distant future means lucid, sure
[03:07] <Amaranth> GodfatherofEire1: depends on what your next question is
[03:07] <Jordan_U> Amaranth: My "eventually" meant after Karmic
[03:08] <Amaranth> Jordan_U: no they changed their mind
[03:08] <GodfatherofEire1> Amaranth: Just a question on why a couple of things weren't updated to their current versions, like GRUB and GNOME in Karmic
[03:08] <Amaranth> Jordan_U: there is no plan for software-center to replace update-manager anymore
[03:08] <Amaranth> Jordan_U: they are just too different
[03:08] <Amaranth> GodfatherofEire1: we're up-to-date on all GNOME packages afaik
[03:09] <Amaranth> should be for grub as well (prerelease grub 2)
[03:09] <Jordan_U> Amaranth: I assume that update-manager will at least use policykit and aptdaemon by lucid?
[03:09] <Amaranth> Jordan_U: it does in karmic
[03:09] <cdm101> Amaranth: it did. Now it doesn't.
[03:09] <ransom> Amaranth: do you know anything about a GDM bug in Karmic that, when booting from a USB, GDM won't load and will only display a blinking mouse cursor?
[03:10] <GodfatherofEire1> Amaranth, yeah, disregard that, I was just looking on wiki, and it said that Lucid would be the last to use GNOME 2.x and would then go to 3 (Which seemed to already exist from the way it was phrased)
[03:10] <cdm101> Amaranth: unless my system's just messing with my head :)
[03:10] <Amaranth> GodfatherofEire1: nope, we don't even know if GNOME 3.0 will be the next release yet
[03:10] <mips-BR> anyone using beta ubuntu KK with ncurses lib problem got an idea on solving it?
[03:11] <Amaranth> ransom: no idea
[03:11] <jimpop> oooh, another kernel update.  This is like the 5th new kernel for a Beta product....
[03:11] <GodfatherofEire1> Amaranth; yeah, sorry bout that
[03:11] <Amaranth> jimpop: we're nearing kernel freeze so they are revving rapidly to get people to test fixes
[03:11] <Amaranth> GodfatherofEire1: it's ok
[03:12] <Amaranth> GodfatherofEire1: but don't be surprised if the next GNOME release is 2.30 and not 3.0
[03:12] <jimpop> Amaranth, kernel freeze should have been before Beta, no?
[03:12] <GodfatherofEire1> Amaranth: I wouldnt be in the least bit, I just assumed from the wording that the frameworks (at the least) were already implimented
[03:13] <Amaranth> jimpop: no, why would it be?
[03:13] <GodfatherofEire1> Amaranth: One other thing. Are they ever going to fix the shutdown/log off sounds?
[03:13] <jimpop> Amaranth, usually Beta is the break between what was in testing and what is close to shipping
[03:14] <jimpop> Beta updates should be serious bugs.. but not much else
[03:14] <Amaranth> jimpop: beta is feature freeze, that is all
[03:14] <jimpop> were there 5 serious kernel bugs in the past week?
[03:14] <Amaranth> jimpop: you're thinking of release candidate
[03:14] <jimpop> no
[03:14] <HoopyCat> jimpop:  idle here for awhile, *every* bug is a serious bug to somebody ;-)
[03:14] <jimpop> RC should be all known fixes and normally expected that RC1 is golden
[03:15] <mips-BR> anyone having trouble with libncurses from today's repository?!?
[03:15] <dschulz> mips-BR: ncurses was upgrades here too. Everything is working fine (ncurses vers.  5.7+20090803-2ubuntu2)
[03:15] <Amaranth> jimpop: this is the way our system has worked for 5 years now
[03:15] <jimpop> to me, Karmic Beta was decided more on time than code quality (given the continuous number of fixes and re-fixes we've seen this week)
[03:16] <Amaranth> jimpop: and there were a couple serious kernel issues
[03:16] <jimpop> Amaranth, it should be better after 5 years.
[03:16] <Amaranth> jimpop: um, duh
[03:16] <Amaranth> all our releases are based on time
[03:16] <mips-BR> dschulz: well I have no idea why everything is segfaulting here :(
[03:16] <dschulz> mips-BR:  what is the version you get with  apt-cache policy libncurses5
[03:16] <Amaranth> we do, wait for it, "time based releases"
[03:16] <dschulz> ?
[03:16] <cdm101> anyone know if we've fixed the "Ubuntu clobbers existing OS's" issue?
[03:16] <mips-BR>   Installiert: 5.7+20090803-2ubuntu2
[03:16] <mips-BR>   Kandidat: 5.7+20090803-2ubuntu2
[03:16] <jimpop> Amaranth, i'd prefer quality based releases.  but that could just be me
[03:17] <Amaranth> jimpop: you want RHEL
[03:17] <dschulz> mips-BR: weird
[03:17] <jimpop> lol
[03:17] <HoopyCat> jimpop:  LTS is closer to that
[03:17] <alteregoa> yeah weird, looks like german
[03:17] <Qtpaxa> Amaranth: Barney Stinson.. that's goood
[03:17] <alteregoa> eat my shorts
[03:17] <GodfatherofEire1> Amaranth: they ever gonna fix the shutdown/log off sounds?
[03:18] <Amaranth> GodfatherofEire1: I don't even know what you're talking about
[03:18] <dschulz> mips-BR: aptitude crashes too?
[03:18]  * jimpop goes to reboot into yet another new kernel.... (crossing fingers)
[03:18] <cdm101> ...guy's running a beta, if it doesn't boot up after the update, oh well.
[03:20] <mips-BR> dschulz, nope
[03:20] <mips-BR> dschulz, aptitude is fine
[03:20] <GodfatherofEire1> Amaranth: like when you shut down or log off, and even though you have a sound set, it doesnt play?
[03:20] <bjsnider> Amaranth, you didn't know those sounds were broken?
[03:20] <Amaranth> Nope
[03:21] <bjsnider> just kidding
[03:21] <dschulz> mips-BR: try to update
[03:21] <Amaranth> tbh if it's not compiz I probably don't know all the details
[03:22] <dschulz> mips-BR: sudo aptitude update  (or hit 'u' in aptitude interface)
[03:22] <GodfatherofEire1> Amaranth: its in both metacity and compiz, hasnt worked since 8.04 (and probably before that even)
[03:22] <mips-BR> dschulz, I will do that
[03:22] <mips-BR> I tryied an apt-get update/upgrade a while ago
[03:22] <Amaranth> GodfatherofEire1: that would mean it isn't related to compiz
[03:22] <mips-BR> I guess all the fault is mine, since I did a symlink (that just didn't exist, but anyway it was a missing library!)
[03:22] <mips-BR> libncurses5.0 simply disappeared
[03:23] <dschulz> mips-BR: try to reinstall
[03:23] <mips-BR> okay
[03:23] <GodfatherofEire1> Amaranth: true enough. Also, whats up with compiz and openGL, ATi still hasnt fixed that one yet?
[03:24] <bjsnider> GodfatherofEire1, ask ati
[03:24] <dschulz> mips-BR: sudo aptitude reinstall libncurses5
[03:24] <Amaranth> GodfatherofEire1: Do you mean OpenGL apps drawing on top of everything else when using compiz with fglrx?
[03:25] <GodfatherofEire1> Amaranth: yep
[03:25] <Amaranth> GodfatherofEire1: yeah, fglrx problem :)
[03:25] <GodfatherofEire1> I figured
[03:26] <bjsnider> in other words, it's another example of ati's comical tail-chasing escapades
[03:26] <bjsnider> they'll have a perfect driver by the year 2047
[03:27] <Amaranth> bjsnider: but it's already better than nvidia's driver :P
[03:28] <bjsnider> Amaranth, sure it is
[03:28] <bjsnider> nvidia hater
[03:29] <GodfatherofEire1> Well, I gotta give nVidia credit, at least there workin on DRI 2.0
[03:29] <mips-BR> dschulz, now this is happening
[03:29] <mips-BR> # ldd /bin/bash.old
[03:29] <mips-BR> 	linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0x0063b000)
[03:29] <mips-BR> 	libncurses.so.5 => not found
[03:29] <mips-BR> I moved bash to bash.old and symlinked bash to /bin/sh otherwise I wouldn't be able to use a terminal
[03:30] <cwillu_at_work> Amaranth, in what world is fglrx even in the same league as nvidia's?
[03:30] <Amaranth> cwillu_at_work: the "users filing compiz bug reports" world
[03:30] <cwillu_at_work> compiz under fglrx just looks horrendously broken compared to nvidia
[03:30] <bjsnider> never had a problem with compiz using this card
[03:31] <cwillu_at_work> I've had three nvidia cards, never a problem
[03:31] <dschulz> mips-BR: what is the bash version?
[03:31] <cwillu_at_work> I've had 3 radeon cards, and haven't had compiz work properly under a single one
[03:31] <dschulz> mips-BR: i mean, the version installed
[03:31] <cwillu_at_work> s/radeon/ati/
[03:32] <dschulz> mips-BR: looks like broken dependencies
[03:34] <mips-BR> yeah
[03:35] <mips-BR> I will check out wait a sec
[03:35] <timber> why sometimes the gnome freezes?
[03:35] <mips-BR> dschulz, I got an idea, will try to reinstall bash
[03:35] <mips-BR> wait a sec
[03:36] <mips-BR> # bash
[03:36] <mips-BR> bash: error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:36] <mips-BR>  <- same thing
[03:36] <dschulz> mips-BR: try opening aptitude
[03:36] <dschulz> mips-BR: then press 'f'
[03:37] <dschulz> mips-BR: then move to 'Installed packages' and press '+'
[03:37] <dschulz> mips-BR: then move to 'Not installed packages' and press _
[03:38] <dschulz> mips-BR: then press 'g'
[03:38] <dschulz> mips-BR: 'g' twice
[03:40] <Billiard> in karmic is where is $PATH set?
[03:40] <dschulz> mips-BR: are there any broken packages (a red line at the bottom)?
[03:41] <mips-BR> dunno
[03:41] <mips-BR> it started to do something
[03:41] <mips-BR> lol
[03:41] <dschulz> mips-BR: but you don't see any red message, right?
[03:42] <mips-BR> problems
[03:42] <jonndsa> damn I updated via the update manager to 9.10 and after the boot it was just black
[03:42] <mips-BR> it called bash and it is broken, i will symlink and try again wait a sec :/
[03:42] <jonndsa> that sucks
[03:42] <timber> sometime the gnome has freeze?
[03:43] <jonndsa> it may break your ssytem, yes it did
[03:43] <mips-BR> there are a lot of magenta lines
[03:43] <dschulz> mips-BR: try installing sash, a statically linked version of bash
[03:43] <mips-BR> is this normal?
[03:43] <jonndsa> im going to try reinstalling with the disc, hopefully that works
[03:43] <dschulz> mips-BR: yes, those are packages not really installed but with residual config files
[03:43] <mips-BR> I don't see anything red... now it is working
[03:44] <jonndsa> do you think karmic will work if I install it from the disc?
[03:44] <dschulz> mips-BR: depending on how many are these 'a lot of magenta lines'  :)
[03:44] <jonndsa> I hope so, I have been downloading it forever
[03:46] <dschulz> mips-BR: not sure, but i'd recommend you not to reboot until you solved the issue
[03:47] <mips-BR> I know ;)
[03:47] <mips-BR> I wont, unless the system locks up lol... but it's been pretty stable since I upgraded to KK
[03:47] <mips-BR> this system is not fail-safe.. it's an old faulty desktop PC.
[03:48] <mips-BR> lucky me I got a 12MBPS connection
[03:48] <dschulz> 12Mpbs ?!
[03:55] <alteregoa> 12mbit is slow
[03:55] <Steil> no
[03:56] <alteregoa> next year i got ftth with 1gbps
[03:59] <cdm101> ...there's a 1gbps ftth service?
[03:59] <alteregoa> yeah but of course not in the usa
[03:59] <alteregoa> korea has already 1gbit ftth
[03:59] <cdm101> fastest I can get here is 50. I'm on 20.
[03:59] <dave1231> does anybody know if my graphics issues with the two monitor support with ati is solved in 9.10?
[04:00] <cdm101> (er, Mbps)
[04:01] <virtuald> dave1231: what issues?
[04:01] <error404notfound> how can i upgrade to karmic using commandline. do-upgrade-release -d on my jaunty desktop says no new releases available
[04:02] <alteregoa> !update
[04:02] <jimpop> dave1231, ATI proprietary or the radeon drivers?
[04:02] <dave1231> virtuald: my graphics driver do not support the dual mode and i have heard of other people in forums which have the same problem
[04:02] <dave1231> jimpop: the prorietary
[04:03] <error404notfound> alteregoa, i have tried those... i don't wanna use GUI, and on commandline it says no new release
[04:03] <alteregoa> urgh
[04:04] <virtuald> when the proprietary driver worked for me (i have an x1950) xinerama worked for dual monitors
[04:04] <jimpop> dave1231, the proprietary drivers always worked well for me.  what was your issue?
[04:04] <alteregoa> maybe add the repos
[04:05] <evilaim> Hey, do you know if I could install Ubuntu on an SD Card?
[04:05] <Jordan_U> error404notfound: If you follow the directions in the upgrade notes do-release-upgrade will work
[04:05] <evilaim> I guess not since it would never be bootable right?
[04:05] <alteregoa> no its possible if your bios supports
[04:05] <Jordan_U> evilaim: I've done it
[04:06] <dave1231> jimpop: i would like two have two monitors working at the same time and they do, but not paralell, if i start the catalyst control center, the button for the "dual mode" is gray, even if i start it as superuser
[04:06] <duncan> is there any disadvantage to using the daily build to install over using the beta and updating?
[04:06] <jimpop> dave1231, in Karmic?
[04:06] <Jordan_U> evilaim: If your BIOS can do it ( mine can ) or if it can boot from USB and you have a USB reader, it's just like any other disk
[04:06] <dave1231> jimpop, in 9.04, i dont know the nicknames
[04:07] <jimpop> dave1231, 9.04 is Jaunty
[04:07] <virtuald> dave1231: use aticonfig from the command line
[04:07] <alteregoa> 1.12 jiggawatts!
[04:07] <jimpop> dave1231, i've only used ati drivers on Intrepid and Karmic
[04:08] <jimpop> dave1231, have you tried d/l'ing the latest from ati and re-installing?
[04:08] <virtuald> dave1231: like aticonfig --dtop horizontal --something (my card has been unsupported for a year so i don't remember exactly)
[04:08] <dave1231> jimpop, why dont you have switched to jaunty?
[04:08] <dave1231> virtuald: i am gonna try
[04:08] <jimpop> dave1231, Jaunty broke hibernation on my IBM T61p
[04:09] <jimpop> so i stayed (reverted) with Intrepid until Karmic went Beta
[04:10] <leaf-sheep> duncan: It's mostly about updated packages. If you already have a Karmic ISO, you might want to zsync to latest karmic.  If not, you can install and update afterward.
[04:11] <mips-BR> well
[04:11] <mips-BR> still got the same problem
[04:11] <mips-BR> is there any command in apt that would reinstall every package in the system?
[04:11] <mips-BR> ^^
[04:11] <duncan> leaf-sheep, aye, that's what I was not wanting to have to do was update again, i'm running Karmic on my desktop and it's now stable enough for my laptop (main work computer) and was wondering if I lost anything by going with a daily build for installing
[04:11] <cdm101> mips-BR: what on earth did you DO?? :)
[04:11] <Jordan_U> mips-BR: What problem?
[04:11] <ArkoldThos> ubuntu karmic isn't starting the X, already did sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:12] <ArkoldThos> since I updated
[04:12] <leaf-sheep> duncan: Mind you that Karmic isn't final yet, there are always little bugs that needs to be ironed out.  There was 75 new packages just for today. :)
[04:12] <Jordan_U> duncan: The daily is less likely to install successfully, but if it installed there is probably no difference
[04:13] <ArkoldThos> I did sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg too
[04:13] <duncan> Jordan_U, leaf-sheep thanks
[04:13] <Jordan_U> duncan: np
[04:16] <error404notfound> Jordan_U, alteregoa : http://pastebin.com/m524d417d after trying again and again, i couldn't convince it that there was a newer version avilable
[04:16] <error404notfound> available*
[04:16] <vivid> ArkoldThos, what error are you getting?
[04:17] <dave1232> re
[04:17] <dave1232> jimpop: how do i install the newest driver? just download from the ati website or is their another way?
[04:18] <vigo> ArkoldThos: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1260518 ,,,maybe
[04:18] <Amaranth> dave1232: system->administration->hardware drivers
[04:19] <dave1232> amaranth: okay, thats what i have already tried
[04:19] <Amaranth> dave1232: if that failed I doubt anything on ati's website is going to help
[04:19] <jimpop> dave1232, d/l it from ati.com then run it
[04:20] <Amaranth> it'll be the same version you get from our GUI or something older (which won't work at all)
[04:20] <jimpop> Amaranth, Ubuntu now ships with the ATI proprietary drivers?
[04:20] <error404notfound> anyone?
[04:21] <dave1232> so then, i dont have to dl at ati?
[04:21] <dave1232> at all?
[04:21] <Amaranth> jimpop: in the Hardware Drivers GUI you can get it to download, install, and configure the driver
[04:21] <Jordan_U> error404notfound: What mirror are you using?
[04:21] <Jordan_U> dave1232: It's better to install the latest drivers with envy-ng
[04:22] <basix> hi everyone, can someone please confirm whether karmic beta works as good as it says here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Karmic
[04:22] <jimpop> Amaranth, my Hardware Drivers gui is blank with no option to add/specify anything else
[04:22] <Amaranth> jimpop: Do you have fglrx-modaliases installed?
[04:23] <error404notfound> Jordan_U, general, archive.ubuntu.com
[04:23] <jimpop> Amaranth, no, but will add
[04:25] <dave1232> jimpop do you recommend karmic for dual monitors, i have not the time to experiment?
[04:25] <jimpop> dave1232, i would wait if you don't have the time to deal with any potential problems (hourly kernel updates, etc.)
[04:26] <jimpop> Karmic is marketed as Beta right now.... but i'd still call it Alpha at this point
[04:27] <error404notfound> Jordan_U, even tried with the US one..
[04:27] <dave1232> jimpop: so karmic is the newest version?
[04:27] <jimpop> dave1232, yes, it's what this IRC chan if dedicated to
[04:27] <alteregoa> yeah, after karmic comes lunatic lemur
[04:28] <jimpop> alteregoa, lol
[04:28] <vivid> lol
[04:28] <vivid> such lies
[04:29] <dave1232> jimpop: okay i am going to wait for karmic, thx
[04:29] <dave1232> jimpop: just 20 days
[04:29] <dave1232> or so
[04:29] <jimpop> dave1232, wait for Karmic v1.1  ;-)
[04:30] <duncan> dave1232, depends on your proficiency, karmic is perfectly stable for me atm
[04:30] <dave1232> duncan: okay ill try it now then
[04:31] <jimpop> to be clear, Karmic *is* coming together quite nicely and quite fast.  BUT, there are still issues that remain and are being conquered.  However, if you can;t afford dealing with some problems then you shouldn;t jump in at this point.
[04:31] <vivid> perfectly stable for me as well
[04:31] <sgraham> hi, i just upgraded from jaunty to karmic and rebooted to a (mostly) black screen after the white ubuntu for a few seconds
[04:31] <sgraham> boots fine into recovery mode, but i'm not sure how to diagnose from here
[04:31] <Jordan_U> error404notfound: What does do-release-upgrade -d output?
[04:31] <vigo> Karmic has been stable(ish) since I put Alpha 2 on. still running smooth and gets better every day.
[04:31] <vivid> sgraham, try removing 'splash' from the grub kernel line
[04:32] <error404notfound> Jordan_U, "Checking for a new ubuntu release, No new release found", funny thing is update-manager -d shows 9.10 available and even tries to upgrade, but i am try cli
[04:32] <sgraham> vivid, ok will do
[04:32] <basix> hi everyone, can someone please confirm whether karmic beta works as good as it says here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Karmic
[04:34] <sgraham> doh! i think it might just have been fsck'ing a 2T drive with no output
[04:34] <sgraham> unfortunate that it happened right after an upgrade :/
[04:34] <assoguerozen_sx> somebody here have qjoypad working?
[04:35] <jimpop> basix, you might want to ask over in #ubuntu-mactel
[04:35] <vivid> sgraham, im having an issue where i have to tty screens as well
[04:35] <vivid> no*
[04:35] <basix> jimpop, yeah i did. there are 2 people in there :|
[04:35] <jimpop> :-) srry
[04:36] <sgraham> vivid, ok. i tried ctrl-alt-f1..7'ing but didn't get away from the mostly black screen
[04:36] <sgraham> (mostly becase it's still got part of the logo hanging around)
[04:36] <vivid> sgraham, if you want to be able to ctrl+alt+f1 and actually see the console, you need to disable bootsplash, im still trying to figure out how to get them working with it enabled
[04:37] <sgraham> vivid, oh ok.. that's "splash" on the grub line?
[04:37] <Jordan_U> error404notfound: Maybe there is another configuration file causing problems, try purging and reinstalling udpate-manager-core
[04:37] <vivid> unless someone here already knows how to fix it :p
[04:37] <Jordan_U> vivid: It's not a universal problem, it only affects some hardware
[04:38] <vivid> Jordan_U, as in, nvidia cards?
[04:38] <sgraham> heh, that's a bit broad :)
[04:39] <Jordan_U> vivid: I don't know what specifically, most computers I've used don't have the problem, doesn't seem at all related to nvidia
[04:39] <vivid> meh, i just ignore it for now, figure there will be a fix or workaround eventually
[04:39] <arrrghhh> hey i'm having issues with my wireless card.  ubuntu seems to "provide" both drivers, the ones it uses by default (rt2800usb) do not work at all.  i see no networks.  when i switch to the rt2870sta driver, i see networks but cannot connect to my own.  i don't see nearly as many as other cards either...
[04:39] <Jordan_U> vivid: I have one machine that has had the problem on every other release :)
[04:39] <error404notfound> Jordan_U, it also tried to remove ubuntu-desktop on purge, which i think isn't something i would like, i tried "apt-get install --reinstall update-manager-core", didn't worked
[04:39] <arrrghhh> there's drivers provided online by ralink, but i can't compile it... make fails.
[04:40] <Jordan_U> vivid: Since Breezy
[04:40] <dave1232> hey guys, is it possible to update from 9.04 without burning it?
[04:41] <cdm101> my new ralink card drops out about once a day.
[04:41] <Jordan_U> dave1232: Yes, see the beta release notes
[04:42] <dave1232> thx jordan
[04:42] <arrrghhh> cdm101, what driver are you using?  i'd love to try the newest ones from ralink... they're very new in fact, but i can't build them...
[04:43] <arrrghhh> i'm probably missing some package... i installed build-essential and linux-headers-`uname -r`
[04:43] <vivid> arrrghhh, did you install linux-source?
[04:43] <arrrghhh> vivid, no, is that the package?
[04:43] <vivid> arrrghhh, if youre going to build a module against the kernel, you will need its source installed
[04:44] <arrrghhh> k i'm installing it now.
[04:45] <Jordan_U> arrrghhh: Drivers directly from Ralink usually don't compile with the latest linux version without work, I'd look at the ralink drivers in the staging area of the linux kernel as they are kept up to date ( and are being cleaned up as well )
[04:46] <arrrghhh> Jordan_U, yea... cuz that didn't fix my issue..
[04:46] <arrrghhh> i used modprobe to remove the rt2800usb driver
[04:46] <arrrghhh> and put the rt2870sta driver in its place.  some networks showed up, including mine.  but it wouldn't connect.
[04:48] <arrrghhh> makes me mad that this card works so well in windows... maybe ndiswrapper would solve my problems?
[04:49] <arrrghhh> i hate doing that.  i thought i was buying a card that would work in linux, crap.
[04:49] <Jordan_U> arrrghhh: Go with Madwifi, they provide specifications and good Free drivers
[04:50] <Jordan_U> arrrghhh: I mean Atheros
[04:51] <bjsnider> d-link has atheros chips in its wifi cards
[04:51] <arrrghhh> i'd like to get this card to work, if possible.  it worked stupid fast under windows.  didn't even have to install a damned driver.
[04:51] <Jordan_U> arrrghhh: Have you tried the ralink drivers from any of the 2.6.32 rc's?
[04:52] <bjsnider> arrrghhh, try the linux-backports-modules package. it has newer wifi stuff
[04:52] <arrrghhh> Jordan_U, no... do you suggest i run a newer version of the kernel, or just the ralink driver piece?
[04:52] <arrrghhh> bjsnider, just that meta-package?
[04:53] <bjsnider> it will pull other stuff in
[04:53] <bjsnider> then you have to reboot
[04:53] <arrrghhh> well it wants a more specific package than that
[04:53] <arrrghhh> -karmic
[04:53] <arrrghhh> or -`uname -r`
[04:54] <arrrghhh> there's some others as well
[04:54] <arrrghhh> -karmic-virtual
[04:54] <arrrghhh>  -karmic-generic
[04:54] <Jordan_U> arrrghhh: Probably easiest to test with the latest full kernel, there are even pre-built packages for Ubuntu. Incompatabilities with things like Xorg might make you want to use just the ralink drivers if you find the new kernel works
[04:54] <bjsnider> karmic generic
[04:54] <douglasawh> does anybody have any suggestions about: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8101248
[04:54] <douglasawh> seems no matter what I do I keep getting a "file too short" error
[04:55] <douglasawh> what, does it need some viagra or something?
[04:55] <arrrghhh> bjsnider, i don't know what you're having me install... it doesn't want to install 'em tho.
[04:56] <arrrghhh> Jordan_U, i'm just worried about stability.  i just want to set this box up and forget about it essentially.  it'll be my music box in my bedroom :D
[04:56] <bjsnider> arrrghhh, install linux-backports-modules-karmic
[04:56] <arrrghhh> bjsnider, doesn't work either.
[04:56] <bjsnider> that package was created spcifically to solve problems like yours
[04:57] <bjsnider> what do you mean doesn't work?
[04:57] <arrrghhh> it's saying there are unmet dependencies, and that the packages are BROKEN as it so claims!
[04:57] <Jordan_U> arrrghhh: Can you pastebin the error?
[04:58] <bjsnider> arrrghhh, run sudo apt-get -f install
[04:58] <leaf-sheep> Can I ask what those "verified" green check baby icon on top-right of all my files are for?
[04:59] <arrrghhh> http://pastebin.com/d69054ecd
[05:01] <legend2440> leaf-sheep: its a bug pertaining to ubuntuone. the fix just came down here. ubuntuone-client (1.0.0-0ubuntu1) to 1.0.1-0ubuntu1 fixes it
[05:01] <arrrghhh> or how about http://pastebin.com/db34e27c
[05:02] <vivid> i dont think 2.6.31-14 has been added to the repos yet
[05:03] <douglasawh> vivid: I saw -14 come across one of my many attempts to update
[05:03] <douglasawh> so, if it's not there, there's something telling apt it's there
[05:03] <vivid> no its there
[05:04] <leaf-sheep> legend2440: Thanks. It was strange to see those yet I felt comfortable knowing all files are "secured" for some silly reasons. :)
[05:05] <legend2440> leaf-sheep: yea. i was just getting used to seeing them and now their gone
[05:10] <thiebaude> im still having problems with nvidia-settings, i have the drivers installed, but everytime i login i have to set the resolution manually
[05:11] <thiebaude> anyone have a suggestion?
[05:11] <alteregoa> sudo nvida-xconfig
[05:11] <bjsnider> NO
[05:11] <thiebaude> ok thanks i'll try
[05:11] <bjsnider> do NOT use that command
[05:11] <thiebaude> ok
[05:11] <alteregoa> it works for me
[05:12] <thiebaude> i try to save to X configuration in nvidia-settings and it won tlet me
[05:12] <bjsnider> that command creates an unusable xorg.conf based on old x-server parameters
[05:12] <thiebaude> let
[05:12] <alteregoa> yeah, because it doesnt start with admin privilegs
[05:13] <legend2440> thiebaude: if you  run   gksudo nvidia-settings and change the res then Save the x configuration it should write it to your xorg.conf
[05:13] <spencer_> when i try to run Xephyr, it's giving me seg fault.. i don't know if it's a QEMU issue or Xephyr issue or something else in general in X windows.. how can i find out?
[05:13] <thiebaude> legend2440, it brings up an error
[05:14] <legend2440> thiebaude: the way i got around that was i had to  open the Previw window and copy paste the settings to my xorg.conf
[05:14] <alteregoa> in Turkey, Kurdish is forbidden,so Microsoft never makes a Kurdish support for windows or they would loose Turkey's market but Ubuntu doesn't give a damn about fascists governments ,"it is not for market, it is for humans."
[05:15] <thiebaude> legend2440, it brings up- failed to parse X config file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:15] <akio> anyone here know how to use xrandr in the gdm startup scripts?
[05:16] <bjsnider> alteregoa, market != fascism
[05:16] <akio> I have xrandr lines that I know work when run as a script, put them at the end (before exit) of /etc/gdm/Init/Default
[05:16] <legend2440> thiebaude: yes i am familiar with that error
[05:16] <thiebaude> legend2440, where is preview?
[05:16] <thiebaude> i have nvidia-settings open
[05:16] <akio> still starts up at the wrong resolution
[05:17] <douglasawh> bjsnider: he wsn't calling MS fascist
[05:17] <alteregoa> dr. noonien soong
[05:17] <legend2440> thiebaude: when you click the Save X configuration its supposed to open a box. inside that box is a Preview button. but it sounds like that box is not opening for you
[05:18] <thiebaude> legend2440, no, it wont open it gives me an error
[05:19] <legend2440> thiebaude: can you paste your   /etc/X11/xorg.conf  file?
[05:19] <legend2440> !paste
[05:19] <thiebaude> so everytime after i login i have to set the resolution manually
[05:19] <thiebaude> ok
[05:22] <thiebaude> legend2440, i got my xorg.conf open but dont know how to show it
[05:22] <thiebaude> legend2440, how about a screenshot
[05:22] <legend2440> thiebaude: copy and paste it  here  http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[05:23] <thiebaude> ok
[05:23] <legend2440> thiebaude: then paste the url here
[05:23] <thiebaude> legend2440, http://paste.ubuntu.com/292844/
[05:26] <bjsnider> good, solid xorg.conf
[05:26] <legend2440> thiebaude: wow thats pretty sparse. you can use mine as a template if you want  http://paste.ubuntu.com/292846/
[05:27] <thiebaude> ok thanks
[05:27] <bjsnider> the nvidia settings issue is because it expects to find a section of the xorg.conf file that is now missing
[05:27] <bjsnider> that's why it says there's a parse error
[05:27] <thiebaude> bjsnider, ahh ok
[05:28] <legend2440> bjsnider: yes thats true. but i cant remember which Section it needs for Save X to work
[05:28] <thiebaude> legend2440, im trying to figure out what to put in my xorg.conf
[05:28] <bjsnider> i think my version of nvidia-settings fixes that problem, but i'm not 100% sure
[05:28] <thiebaude> bjsnider, is it a bug?
[05:29] <bjsnider> it was
[05:30] <bjsnider> mine, the one in the nvidia-vdpau ppa, fixes that problem, i think
[05:30] <legend2440> my nvidia-settings app is   Server Version Number    11.0
[05:31] <bjsnider> no, you need look look at the package name
[05:33] <legend2440> nvidia-settings 180.25-0ubuntu1
[05:33] <bjsnider> mine is 190.32
[05:33] <bjsnider> https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa
[05:34] <mips-BR> people I got what happened here
[05:34] <mips-BR> was getting segfault for everything
[05:34] <mips-BR> I deleted apt's cache
[05:34] <bjsnider> mine is a lot different than that old one
[05:34] <mips-BR> all the packages downloaded
[05:34] <mips-BR> changed to main repository
[05:34] <mips-BR> did apt-get update / upgrade again and reinstalled libncurses
[05:34] <mips-BR> everything worked again
[05:34] <legend2440> bjsnider: are you using the 190 drivers too?
[05:34] <mips-BR> =)
[05:34] <achiang> fresh install of karmic, gnome-keyring doesn't seem to unlock my ssh key, so when i ssh from the terminal, i get prompted for my passphrase every time. known issue?
[05:35] <bjsnider> legend2440, no, it doesn't depend on the beta driver
[05:35] <legend2440> bjsnider: oh ok
[05:35] <douglasawh> so, no one has seen my error before? I never got a response
[05:35] <douglasawh> gtk-update-icon-cache: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libobject-2.0.so.0: file too short
[05:36] <Koterpillar> Vuze fails to start on x64 complaining about SWT: http://paste.ubuntu.com/292854/ - am I missing some packages, is my Java broken, or is it a known bug?
[05:37] <douglasawh> it's somehow related to startx not working...the only link may be a lock up during an update, but now I can't seem to update anything...have to use netroot to try
[05:37] <kindofabuzz> what's up with the new checkmark icons in my ~?
[05:38] <FFEMTcJ> I'm trying to install startupmanager, however I get a message saying grub-pc is broken.. it then wants to remove grub-pc.. any suggestions?
[05:38] <legend2440> kindofabuzz: its a bug pertaining to ubuntuone. there is a fix on the way. i just got the fix about half hour ago
[05:38] <alteregoa> try grub2
[05:38] <kindofabuzz> legend2440, thanks
[05:38] <FFEMTcJ> alteregoa: by try grub2, what do you mean?
[05:39] <alteregoa> grub version 2
[05:39] <legend2440> kindofabuzz: update called   ubuntuone-client (1.0.0-0ubuntu1) to 1.0.1-0ubuntu1   fixes it
[05:39] <FFEMTcJ> right.. how do i 'try' it
[05:39] <alteregoa> yeah thats easy
[05:39] <Koterpillar> FFEMTcJ, aptitude install grub-pc
[05:40] <FFEMTcJ> Koterpillar: says no packages to install upgrade or remove
[05:40] <kindofabuzz> legend2440, must be in proposed?
[05:40] <Koterpillar> FFEMTcJ, then you already have it
[05:41] <FFEMTcJ> right.. however startup manager is saying its broken
[05:41] <hatchetman82> whats the recommended directory into which to install a JDK ? (java dev kit)
[05:41] <legend2440> kindofabuzz: no i dont have proposed enabled. its a regular update
[05:41] <Koterpillar> startup manager appears not to be compatible with grub2
[05:42] <kindofabuzz> legend2440, hmm just ran an update and don't get anything
[05:42] <FFEMTcJ> is there a replacement?
[05:43] <Koterpillar> file a bug on it
[05:43] <Koterpillar> it says to be compatible with grub2, but lists grub as a dependency
[05:43] <legend2440> kindofabuzz: ubuntuone-client is in the main repo. you using the US server?
[05:43] <kindofabuzz> legend2440, yes
[05:44] <legend2440> kindofabuzz: it should be coming along soon
[05:44] <kindofabuzz> kk
[06:00] <eross> any word yet on fragmentation of this ext4? Yah I've googlyed it and read where some online tools blah bla blah bla.. exist etc. Is there a current lowdown, if ext4 fragments similar to NTFS?
[06:01] <sebsebseb> !defrag |  eross
[06:01] <sebsebseb> eross: and Ext4 is better than Ext3
[06:01] <eross> better could mean compromises :/
[06:02] <sebsebseb> eross: You don't have to defrag Linux file systems it's as simple as that
[06:02] <DopeGhot2> Is it, all things considered, safe to do an upgrade from Jaunty to Karmic on a wubi installation?
[06:02] <eross> ok ty
[06:02] <sebsebseb> DopeGhot2: Wubi and upgrade hmm
[06:02] <sebsebseb> DopeGhot2: doesn't sound that good at all
[06:03] <sebsebseb> in fact good idea to clean install  Ubuntu  for the Ext4 in 9.10 :)
[06:03] <sebsebseb> and people get problems with Wubi sometimes
[06:03] <sebsebseb> DopeGhot2: the final isn't out yet,  I woudn't recommend upgrading your  wubi install to the beta, but not the final either,  if you can it's better in the long run to do real partitions
[06:04] <DopeGhot2> sebsebseb: This I know, but the Windows installation is on a Dynamic Disk, and that doesn't play well with GRUB
[06:04] <sebsebseb> DopeGhot2: How so?
[06:04] <sebsebseb> Dynamic Disk what do you mean also?
[06:05] <DopeGhot2> When you boot Windows on a Dynamic Disk, it klobbers GRUB as an "error correction"
[06:05] <sebsebseb> DopeGhot2: If you want Wubi I suggest waiting for there to be a 9.10 installer, and starting over
[06:05] <sebsebseb> what's a dynamic disk?
[06:05] <eross> anyone forsee any issues when I reformat my partition into ext4, after the karmic release? Currently am running latest release ubuntu on a 60Gb SSD harddrive and mount of home on a 1Tb harddrive. I've backed up my important home directory files just in case, it is formatted in ext3.
[06:05] <kindofabuzz> i installed 9.10 on my laptop and 9.10 on my server, both clean installs. SSH'ing into my server seems slower than 9.04. anyone know what's up?
[06:05] <DopeGhot2> It's like LVM for Windows, to oversummarize
[06:06] <DopeGhot2> kindofabuzz: meaning it takes a while for SSH to connect / ask for authentication? That's usually a DNS issue (serverside)
[06:06] <sebsebseb> eross: Doing a clean install of  9.10 is the way to go,  then  get Ext4 by default,  as well as Grub 2
[06:06] <sebsebseb> where as  Ext3 9.04 upgrades will have neither
[06:06] <sebsebseb> by default
[06:06] <eross> would it be good to reformat my 1Tb to ext4 too?
[06:06] <sebsebseb> eross: probably not
[06:06] <sebsebseb> eross: Which file system is it currently?
[06:06] <kindofabuzz> DopeGhot2, to connect, but i'm connecting internally
[06:07] <eross> ext3
[06:07] <sebsebseb> eross: ok and you don't have any really massive files on it?
[06:07] <sebsebseb> Ext4 is better  than Ext3 for much bigger files, but I am talking huge stuff
[06:07] <DopeGhot2> kindofabuzz: does the server also take a couple extra moments sshing to localhost?
[06:07] <eross> no, lots of development hobby stuff
[06:07] <sebsebseb> eross: keep it as Ext3  I think, since you probably won't notice any benefits if you change it to Ext4
[06:08] <kindofabuzz> DopeGhot2, little faster connecting localhost
[06:08] <sebsebseb> the main thing when it comes to Ext4  is to have / in it :)  so  fast boot up, shut down, and disk checking, plus  9.10 has something else in it to speed up boot up and shut down
[06:08] <eross> i keep my games on it though, open arena, quake live, x-plane..
[06:08] <sebsebseb> eross: that's fine
[06:09] <sebsebseb> eross: an Ext4  Ubuntu install can read and write to a Ext3 partition
[06:09] <eross> savage 2  - so no benefit to playing fps' then
[06:11] <sebsebseb> eross: as  far as I know a file system does not speed up  frames per second in a game ever
[06:12] <DopeGhot2> sebsebseb: eross: indeed not.  Best case is a minor improvement in level load times.
[06:12] <sebsebseb> eross: fps is graphics so your graphics card,  and any  driver  for it, will be taking care of that, and xorg
[06:12] <coordinador> hi
[06:13] <coordinador> i havent the "services" item in administration menu
[06:13] <coordinador> does anymore have it?
[06:13] <eross> that makes sense, I don't like the anticipation of waiting for the release, it drives me crazy when I count the days :P
[06:14] <sebsebseb> eross: well the release isn't amazing
[06:14] <sebsebseb> it won't be amazing
[06:14] <coordinador> eross, or sebsebseb (assuming that only you are awake) if you have ubuntu 9.10beta, could you please check if you have the services item in menu?
[06:14] <sebsebseb> far from amazing even,  that's what it will be it seems, and I say this as someone who has been testing it since alpha 4
[06:15] <DanaG> eh, not right now, but maybe tomorrow?
[06:15] <DanaG> Eh, I don't need a pie.
[06:15] <eross> far from amazing in a neg or pos direction?
[06:15] <coordinador> i was testing karmic since the repos are online, and i think this karmic release is awesome
[06:15] <DanaG> er,
[06:15] <DanaG> sorry, was meant for another channel.
[06:15] <eross> see if i have karmic in the software updates?
[06:15] <DanaG> damn scrolly tabs.
[06:16] <sebsebseb> coordinador: I coudn't see it, but  things don't always up date properly when updating since an alpha 4.  I wonder if I am meant to be having the add/remove in the admistration menu for example, as well as the software centre
[06:16] <sebsebseb> coordinador: awesome if you need it to fix hardware issues such as  an Intel graphics card,  otherwise  not quite
[06:16] <eross> my update manager was empty. it complained about a launchpad key first
[06:17] <coordinador> sebsebseb, i erase each prerelease and install newest each time , i am using beta clean installed
[06:17] <DanaG> ssh servers are very handy for testing.
[06:17] <DanaG> And so is a serial console.
[06:17] <eross> oh duh sorry.. not using beta
[06:17] <sebsebseb> coordinador: I didn't want to waste CD's, so I didn't do that, even though I have many CD R's here
[06:17] <coordinador> sebsebseb, i use a usbdrive
[06:17] <coordinador> and install from it
[06:17] <coordinador> with a couple of gigs is enough
[06:18] <sebsebseb> coordinador: I haven't installed from USB before
[06:19] <sebsebseb> coordinador: and the bigger  USB stick I have, I might not be able to make into an Ubuntu one
[06:19] <coordinador> sometimes if you update since alpha versions somethings doesnt work perfectly, thats why i prefer to use a clean install. Installing from a usbdrive is more quick
[06:19] <sebsebseb> coordinador: exactly  if updating since an alpha version, but even the beta for that matter,  things may not always up date properly, hence why  I will clean install the final in  November
[06:20] <coordinador> sebsebseb, you could install it in a virtual machine, so you can check the new appearance, new software, etc... and report bugs if you want to
[06:20] <sebsebseb> coordinador: and next time round I will probably do Lucid in  a vm  clean installing releases
[06:21] <coordinador> and without use cds
[06:21] <coordinador> hehe yes :)
[06:21] <sebsebseb> coordinador: plus by then I might even be using another distro as my main distro :)
[06:22] <sebsebseb> really I wanted to get away from 9.04, and do Fedora 11, but  it woudn't like  my partition set up
[06:22] <glick> hi
[06:22] <coordinador> i am using karmic as my main distro, is working ok in my machine. I will install fedora12 alpha tomorrow, its already available
[06:22] <coordinador> hi glick
[06:22] <glick> is anyone running ubuntu 9.10 on their netbook already?
[06:23] <eross> sebsebseb, you're not impressed with karmic?
[06:23] <sebsebseb> eross: indeed
[06:23] <coordinador> sebsebseb, do you have a problem with karmic? hardware maybe?
[06:23] <glick> im wondrin if i should put 9.10 on my netbook
[06:23] <sebsebseb> coordinador: no
[06:23] <coordinador> glick, you should try to run live
[06:24] <sebsebseb> 8.10 was a great release,  shame it lacked stable Ext4 support though
[06:24] <Koterpillar> glick: yes, if you are prepared to deal with everything failing
[06:24] <sebsebseb> plus 8.10 isn't LTS
[06:24] <glick> Koterpillar, heh you think everything will fail?
[06:24] <glick> theres only 16 days left till launch
[06:24] <glick> everything is frozen for the most part
[06:24] <coordinador> Koterpillar, what are you talking about? did you have bad experience with karmic in your machine?
[06:25] <coordinador> in my machine everything works fine
[06:25] <Koterpillar> Yes, because I run it from Alpha.
[06:25] <coordinador> its a dell intel chipset
[06:25] <sebsebseb> I can rip apart  the releaes since 8.04 and say what is good and bad about them,  plus I have used Ubuntu since the second release in 2005,  so I have seen this distro grow,  become  better, but also worse in certain ways
[06:25] <Koterpillar> Once X refused to start, numerous times suspend did strange things
[06:25] <coordinador> Koterpillar, well i think glick dont want to install the alpha
[06:25] <glick> Koterpillar, your running alpha?
[06:25] <sebsebseb> as for 7.10 and releases before that, oh  yes they were pretty good at the time, but I don't remember them that much now
[06:25] <glick> well alpha is alpha
[06:25] <Koterpillar> I am running... what's current now? Beta already
[06:26] <coordinador> Koterpillar, you should try to install a clean beta
[06:26] <Koterpillar> but i have a backup instance of 9.04... well, on desktop.
[06:26] <glick> coordinador, i remimber really liking the one before gutsy
[06:26] <Koterpillar> coordinador, everything is running fine now
[06:26] <coordinador> feisty? yes
[06:26] <coordinador> oh i see
[06:26] <coordinador> glick, well... you should try karmic in live mode
[06:26] <glick> what was before feisty
[06:26] <sebsebseb> coordinador: 7.10  is  Gutsy Gibbon  the first release to get proper  NTFS read and write support
[06:26] <Koterpillar> again, save for the question I asked earlier
[06:26] <coordinador> glick, edgy
[06:27] <glick> yeah edgyu
[06:27] <sebsebseb> !edgy
[06:27] <glick> edgy was one of my fav releases
[06:27] <coordinador> !eol
[06:27] <glick> koala is a 2 year desktop release and 5 year server
[06:27] <sebsebseb> glick: no
[06:27] <glick> koala is a LTS release
[06:27] <coordinador> 10.04 lucid is lts
[06:27] <sebsebseb> glick: no it is not
[06:27] <glick> oh
[06:27] <sebsebseb> !10.04
[06:28] <sebsebseb> !lts
[06:28] <glick> ok ok my bad
[06:28] <coordinador> i cant wait that lucid repos are online :3~~
[06:28] <coordinador> i always have 2 partitions, one with current release and other with next
[06:28] <glick> will i have to change anything if i install beta when the release becomes official
[06:28] <glick> or do i just do a regular update
[06:28] <glick> ?
[06:29] <sebsebseb> 9.10 is not a great release,   it's not all  Ubuntu's/Canonicals fault though,  for example it's not their fault that the new GDM  2, can't be themed like the old one
[06:29] <coordinador> oh well, sebsebseb  that is true
[06:29] <coordinador> but in general i think 9.10 has a LOT of good thinks, more quick, more stable, more compatible, better looking, etc...
[06:30] <coordinador> the last technologies
[06:30] <SwedeMike> the kernel is a bit too fresh for my liking though, but I guess by time of the release most will be fixed
[06:30] <SwedeMike> 2.6.31 hasn't been a great release so far, though
[06:30] <kindofabuzz> kernel freeze is tomorrow i think
[06:30] <coordinador> SwedeMike, why do you say that?
[06:30] <sebsebseb> coordinador: Ext4 by default at last,  Fedora 11 already did that a while ago.  With  a nice stable kernel for it and all that.  Ext4 can be done in 9.04, but they don't have a proper kernel and that for it,  so  maybe a lock up issue when deleting big files.
[06:31] <glick> is there a big diff between ext3 and ext3?
[06:31] <kindofabuzz> none
[06:31] <coordinador> glick,  no
[06:31] <coordinador> hahah
[06:31] <SwedeMike> coordinador: the 2.6.31.x releases have contained quite a lot of fixes.. and mucking with the vty layer is always dangerous
[06:31] <glick> so whats the big hoopla about ext4>?
[06:31] <coordinador> ext3 and ext3 are the same XD, may be you wanted to say between ext3 and ext4 :P
[06:31] <SwedeMike> glick: ext4 isn't ext3
[06:32] <sebsebseb> glick: noticable differences,  when it's done to /  in 9.04 this is,   faster  boot up,  faster shut down, and rather fist disk checking after the 23 or so boots,  9.10 with Ext4 is like that, but they also have  the new boot up stuff to speed things up
[06:32] <vivid> where is the System > Administration > Services menu?
[06:32] <coordinador> SwedeMike, oh i see
[06:32] <coordinador> vivid,  i dont have it neither
[06:32] <coordinador> vivid, i reported that as a bug
[06:32] <coordinador> a couple of days ago
[06:32] <vivid> is there a cmd line to access it?
[06:34] <coordinador> vivid,  i dont remember the command
[06:34] <coordinador> but you can edit services in /etc/ dir
[06:34] <coordinador> i dont remember which subdir neither, my memory sucks i know
[06:34] <coordinador> and sorry for my english , my main language is spanish
[06:35] <assoguerozen_sx> guys, what is the command to activate gnome-volume-control tray icon?
[06:35] <Koterpillar> /etc/init.d ? /etc/rc?.d/ ?
[06:35] <coordinador> yes
[06:35] <Seventoes> is it possible to boot off of the 9.10 iso with grub (not grub2)?
[06:35] <coordinador> assoguerozen_sx, i think is an applet of gnome panel
[06:35] <sebsebseb> Seventoes: I think so, but  it won't be easy to set up
[06:35] <coordinador> assoguerozen_sx, check private
[06:35] <assoguerozen_sx> coordinador not here
[06:36] <Seventoes> sebsebseb: clue on where to start? :P
[06:36] <sebsebseb> Seventoes: I think you have to made a CDFS  partition or something
[06:36] <sebsebseb> make not made above
[06:36] <Seventoes> trying to avoid partitioning and extracting the files if possible, i have about 10 other OSes booting off the same drive
[06:37] <petafile> I need to use a verson of a package (matplotlib) that is available for karmic, but not jaunty (what I'm running).  is there a way to do this without upgrading to karmic beta?
[06:38] <assoguerozen_sx> coordinador btw, that applet just works with pulseaudio
[06:39] <assoguerozen_sx> i remove it, then no more applet to show
[06:40] <Koterpillar> petafile, download it and install with dpkg
[06:40] <glick> is anyone running karmic on a netbook?
[06:40] <Koterpillar> glick, I am
[06:40] <glick> Koterpillar, the full version or the netbook remix
[06:41] <Koterpillar> yes
[06:41] <Koterpillar> the netbook remix
[06:41] <Koterpillar> but it's by no means not "full"
[06:41] <glick> whats the difference
[06:42] <Koterpillar> some fancy default settings, like windows all maximized (which I like) and some launch manager instead of desktop (which I don't like and have disabled)
[06:42] <glick> i actually dont like the all maximized setting
[06:42] <glick> it ws  the first thing i disabled
[06:42] <habanany_> anybody knows why i cant use my logitech notebook deluxe webcamera with skype, ( karmic koala )
[06:44] <yukongt> every time i check for updates it tells me: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  404  Not Found
[06:44] <yukongt> Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. Am i missing updates i need because of this or can i get it to stop trying to check there? What is the problem?
[06:45] <Koterpillar> yukongt, you do not. Go to software sources and delete that line
[06:46] <habanany_> how do i report bugs for karmic?
[06:47] <Koterpillar> habanany_, ubuntu-bug <package-name>
[06:47] <Koterpillar> if you are running Karmic, that is
[06:49] <hatchetman82> how do i change the default domain used when connecting to a windows metwork share ?
[06:49] <hatchetman82> by default, the user field is the same as the logged in ubuntu user and the domain is WORKGROUP
[06:49] <hatchetman82> can i change those defaults ? (at least the domain part)
[06:50] <hatchetman82> (im using gnome, btw)
[06:56] <alteregoa> in the smb.conf it hink
[06:56] <eagles0513875> alteregoa: ya i think its in the smb.conf file as well
[06:58] <alteregoa> smb.conf in the global section
[06:58] <alteregoa> there is a entry workgroup = WHATEVERYOUWANT
[06:59] <alteregoa> if you're done smbd reload or something
[07:00] <alteregoa> maybe someone builds a gui to configure that, but this takes forever, because the average developer doesnt care
[07:01] <Koterpillar> alteregoa, system-config-samba
[07:03] <hatchetman82> lol
[07:03] <evanpro> Hi all
[07:04] <evanpro> Oh!
[07:04] <evanpro> I'm having a problem with reboot
[07:04] <hatchetman82> is tweaking the smb.conf the same as editing the gnome configuration editor ?
[07:04] <evanpro> It's probably VirtualBox
[07:04] <hatchetman82> because i've found /system/smb/workgroup in there
[07:04] <evanpro> THanks for adding the topic tonyyarusso
[07:04] <hatchetman82> and i think thats where the default is kept
[07:04] <freenose> What app does karmic uses for cpu freq scaling?
[07:05] <alteregoa> this program crashs random
[07:06] <hatchetman82> what smb.conf to edit ? i see it at /usr/share/samba and /etc/samba/
[07:06] <alteregoa> etc
[07:07] <hatchetman82> ok. out of curiosity, whats the purpose of the /usr/share file ?
[07:07] <evanpro> gonna reboot
[07:07] <evanpro> wish me luck folks
[07:08] <hatchetman82> good luck
[07:08] <alteregoa> i wish me luck yeah
[07:08] <Koterpillar> $ head /usr/share/samba/smb.conf: # Sample configuration file for the Samba suite for Debian GNU/Linux.
[07:08] <alteregoa> hmm i hope some distro tries to merge every config file into a single registry
[07:09] <Koterpillar> Vuze fails to start on x64 complaining about SWT: http://paste.ubuntu.com/292854/ - am I missing some packages, is my Java broken, or is it a known bug?
[07:09] <Koterpillar> alteregoa, Windows :(
[07:09] <alteregoa> koterpillar: i know, but the idea is good
[07:09] <Koterpillar> alteregoa, Disagree. Say I want to try out my new Samba/X/etc. config, how do I back it up?
[07:09] <alteregoa> i remember pre windows 95 times, win31 with those wierd .ini's
[07:10] <Koterpillar> cp smb.conf smb.conf.bak
[07:10] <vivid> ffs, can i safely remove pulseaudio in karmic?
[07:10] <Koterpillar> How do I restore it if I messed up? Same. How do I restore a registry if the system doesn't boot, and I can't use whatever registry editor?
[07:11] <alteregoa> koterpillar? central managing linux(es) becomes more easy if you have just a single file to modify
[07:11] <alteregoa> koterpillar: a registry to restore is easy, there are many backups
[07:13] <Koterpillar> My point is: you should't need an utility to read it, or to edit it.
[07:13] <evanpro> dang
[07:13] <evanpro> it wasn't VirtualBox
[07:14] <evanpro> So, I have a problem with karmic
[07:14] <alteregoa> koterpillar: i agree, but this utility could fit within the mbr
[07:14] <evanpro> I updated & upgraded this afternon
[07:14] <evanpro> When I rebooted this evening
[07:14] <evanpro> The boot sequence stops at "Starting init crypto disks"
[07:14] <Koterpillar> !enter | evanpro
[07:14] <texnofobix> anyone here using kubuntu netbook version?
[07:14] <evanpro> Koterpillar: thanks.
[07:15] <ArkoldThos> anyone got this after upgrading to karmic? Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module
[07:15] <evanpro> My theory is that the init script that runs after /etc/init.d/cryptdisks-early is failing.
[07:15] <texnofobix> i'm seeing issues with the panel with application and newspaper to stay in an edit mode after going to the application (widget) menu
[07:16] <ArkoldThos> evanpro, just wait MANY time there, waited for me :)
[07:16] <ArkoldThos> i mean, worked for me*
[07:16] <eagles0513875> evanpro: will reboot to see if it happens to me as well
[07:16] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: will check that as well for ya
[07:16] <hatchetman82> alteregoa: i think a better idea would be some sophisticated configuration editor that _presents_ everything as if it was lone large conf structure, but stores it into the original seperate files
[07:17] <ArkoldThos> eagles0513875, that just happens, when you booted the system 20+ times without fsck checking
[07:17] <hatchetman82> lone = one*
[07:17] <ArkoldThos> so it checks it, but unlike other ubuntu versions, it doesn't advices, no clue why
[07:17] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: i havent run fsck yet i have another 3 reboots before it does
[07:17] <Koterpillar> hatchetman82, and I don't have to use it if I don't want to
[07:17] <hatchetman82> while browsing the smb.conf file i see 2 performance-enhancing lines commented out ((SO_RCVBUF and socket options)
[07:17] <hatchetman82> is it same to uncomment them ?
[07:17] <eagles0513875> ohhh new kernel
[07:17] <hatchetman82> safe*
[07:17] <slacker_nl> web interface to packages.ubuntu.com down?
[07:18] <evanpro> But I don't know how to figure out which script that actually is. I've booted from a USB key, chrooted to the hard drive, and done an apt-get update & upgrade. I've also removed VirtualBox ,which is mentioned in the /topic.
[07:18] <slacker_nl> can anyone confirm? ^^^
[07:18] <Koterpillar> slacker_nl, seems so
[07:18] <ArkoldThos> anyone having this with while updating? :/ Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module
[07:18] <slacker_nl> Koterpillar: kthnx
[07:18] <hatchetman82> slacker_nl: yeah, cant load the page either
[07:18] <eagles0513875> evanpro: no problem with it hanging in regards to  your issue
[07:18] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: it loaded the driver just fine for me
[07:19] <texnofobix> brb
[07:19] <evanpro> ArkoldThos: so, it's a fsck that's taking a while and not giving good output? I'll try doing an fsck in my USB-key environment and then reboot. Hopefully it won't try to fsck again.
[07:19] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: are you using the 185 driver or the generic nv one
[07:19] <hatchetman82> ok, smb.conf tweaked, rebooting to test
[07:19] <evanpro> eagles0513875: thanks for checking
[07:19] <eagles0513875> no prob :)
[07:20] <evanpro> Just did an fsck, going to reboot now. Wish me luck!
[07:20] <eagles0513875> good luck evanrmurphy
[07:20] <eagles0513875> whoops wrong person
[07:20] <hatchetman82> is it possible that after a couple of successful boots to a new kernel the system removes the prev kernel entries from grub ?
[07:21] <ArkoldThos> eagles0513875, i think is generic one... is for a friend that is stuck but he is slow at answering
[07:21] <ArkoldThos> since he just installed jaunty and updated to Karmic, I belive he didn't even install the propietary one
[07:21] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: in my honest opinion its best to do a clean install
[07:22] <coordinador> hatchetman82, if you still have installed the prev kernels i think is not possible
[07:22] <eagles0513875> but then again upgrade results may vary
[07:22] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: i would have him try the proprietary one from nvidia thats in the repos
[07:22] <coordinador> hatchetman82, but if you uninstall it, the system will remove
[07:22] <hatchetman82> uninstall, as in from synaptic ?
[07:23] <ArkoldThos> eagles0513875, what is the name of the package to install it from the console?
[07:23] <eagles0513875> hold on let me boot up vm to check for you ArkoldThos
[07:23] <ArkoldThos> kk
[07:23] <hatchetman82> thats too bad actually, would have been a nice feature (even if opt-in from some setting somewhere) to keep a system clean after dist-upgrades
[07:23] <slacker_nl> could anyone do me a favor and paste the output of aptitude changelog update-manager? Since i'm not running karmic and cannot reach packages.u.c
[07:23] <ArkoldThos> im unfamiliar to nvidia packages :p
[07:23] <eagles0513875> slacker_nl: packages site down for you?
[07:23] <ArkoldThos> slacker_nl, sec
[07:24] <coordinador> hatchetman82, yes, from synaptic
[07:24] <ArkoldThos> slacker_nl, from what date? :O
[07:24] <ArkoldThos> or what version
[07:24] <coordinador> hatchetman82, thats how i do, and the system removes automatically from grub list
[07:24] <slacker_nl> eagles0513875: yes
[07:24] <hatchetman82> coordinador: thanks.
[07:24] <slacker_nl> ArkoldThos: take the top 3 changes :)
[07:25] <hatchetman82> i think i'll go suggest the auto-remove-after-X-boots feature. should be really helpful on most new user's computers
[07:25] <eagles0513875> where can i report that http://packages.ubuntu.com/ is down
[07:25] <ArkoldThos> slacker_nl, http://pastebin.com/m1a2221be
[07:25] <slacker_nl> merci!
[07:25] <hatchetman82> i dont think a lot of people really wish to keep all their kernels, and a lot of them are probably afraid of synaptic
[07:25] <ArkoldThos> np
[07:25] <ArkoldThos> hatchetman82, i have them all since 2 yrs ago i believe :p
[07:25] <coordinador> hatchetman82, sometimes the new kernel doesnt work perfectly so in that case you could go back to the older kernel, that is why the kernels are kept
[07:26] <hatchetman82> coordinador: thats why its after-X-boots, and opt-in
[07:26] <hatchetman82> ArkoldThos: and you consider yourself to be a representative case ? :-)
[07:26] <coordinador> hatchetman82, what about if wifi doesnt work, or sound, or something else than x
[07:26] <ArkoldThos> is like coordinador says, somethings got broken from time to time
[07:26] <hatchetman82> by X boots i meant configurable number, not the window system
[07:27] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: its nvidia-glx-185
[07:27] <eagles0513875> thats the name of the driver
[07:27] <ArkoldThos> thanks eagles0513875
[07:27] <hatchetman82> or maybe make it an off-by-default option in the janitor application
[07:27] <eagles0513875> no problem it could be for him his nv driver is bugging out ArkoldThos
[07:27] <coordinador> hatchetman82, maybe a tool that manages the kernels... or some
[07:27] <hatchetman82> ....the janitor
[07:28] <ArkoldThos> eagles0513875, after installing the driver the next action is dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg right?
[07:28] <coordinador> ...or the system probe  (comprobador del sistema in spanish)
[07:28] <eagles0513875> no
[07:28] <eagles0513875> no need ArkoldThos
[07:28] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: just reboot
[07:28] <ArkoldThos> kk
[07:28] <hatchetman82> where do i file suggestions ?
[07:29] <coordinador> since the janitor cannot differentiate between a good working system and a bad one
[07:29] <coordinador> hatchetman82, you could use ubuntu-bug , may be
[07:29] <eagles0513875> launchpad.net hatchetman82
[07:29] <hatchetman82> so off by default. the user would need to select the old kernels for removel himself
[07:29] <hatchetman82> k
[07:29] <hatchetman82> thanks
[07:29] <eagles0513875> or hatchetman82 could ask in the channel coordinador said
[07:30] <hatchetman82> no such channel. mailing list maybe ?
[07:30] <coordinador> ubuntu-bug is a command
[07:30] <coordinador> and its argument is a package
[07:30] <eagles0513875> also a channel if im not mistaken
[07:30] <eagles0513875> its ubuntu-bugs
[07:30] <coordinador> oh i see
[07:30] <coordinador> ubuntu-bug
[07:30] <eagles0513875> ya ubuntu-bugs is the channel hatchetman82
[07:31] <coordinador> and ubuntu-bug is the command hah
[07:31] <hatchetman82> thanks, ill ask them
[07:36] <ghendar> it would make more sense to do a kernel-image rotation... keep original, last and newest
[07:37] <coordinador> bye guys,  i hope that in karmic final , the Services item reappear in administration menu
[07:37] <coordinador> :p bye
[07:39] <ArkoldThos> eagles0513875, it returns that it is installed
[07:39] <ArkoldThos> x.x
[07:43] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: :) then thats a bug in the nv generic driver
[07:44] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: anyway thats better then the nv driver he has 3d acceleration now
[07:44] <ArkoldThos> x still doesn't work :(
[07:48] <hatchetman82> well, i've posted my idea. if you like it, you can vote : http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/21844/
[07:50] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: ?
[07:50] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: is it dropping right down to a console
[07:50] <ArkoldThos> eagles0513875, yup
[07:51] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: funny solution for this
[07:51] <eagles0513875> remove the nvidia driver that u installed from the repos and download and install the one from the nvidia website cuz on alpha 5 thats what i did was having the exact same issue and i used the driver from nvidia site instead of what was in the repo and it fixed not having x
[07:52] <hatchetman82> rael men dont need x :-D
[07:52] <hatchetman82> real*
[07:52] <karmic> people do you have any issues with Networkmanager or it just happpening to me ?
[07:52] <hatchetman82> everything is fine with metwork manager on my machine
[07:53] <ArkoldThos> eagles0513875, im thinking that something different is happening, like my friend being a noob and giving wrong logs, since I got the drivers and it works as always
[07:53] <DanaG> grr, stupid usb 2.0.
[07:53] <DanaG> 1.1GB of 5.9GB copied -- approximately 4 hours left (307.8 KB/sec)
[07:53] <DanaG> That is utterly pathetic.
[07:54] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: its possible how come he isnt in here
[07:54] <karmic> My network manager do not save any setting like user name passwords/satatic ip and so , I had to setup internet sharing in my other windows machine my network managert only can connect to "auto eth0"
[07:55] <eagles0513875> karmic: kde or gnome network manager
[07:55] <ArkoldThos> eagles0513875, he doesn't know nothing about the console, so he can't log on irssi :p
[07:55] <karmic> Gnome
[07:55] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: there are gui based clients and is he on gnome or kde
[07:55] <ArkoldThos> x doesn't start :p
[07:55] <eagles0513875> karmic: not that i know of i know on kde the network manager doesnt work with wifi
[07:56] <eagles0513875> does he have a win based machine he can get on
[07:56] <eagles0513875> lol
[07:57] <ArkoldThos> eagles0513875, he installed some msn console client
[07:57] <ArkoldThos> no clue xd
[07:57] <eagles0513875> O_o
[07:57] <karmic> :O
[07:57] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: i think he just needs to reinstall
[07:57] <ArkoldThos> yup
[07:57] <eagles0513875> and do a clean install instead of upgrade
[07:57] <ArkoldThos> clean install of the beta?
[07:57] <eagles0513875> especially since he isnt well versed in command line
[07:57] <eagles0513875> ya
[07:57] <eagles0513875> karmic: whats wrong
[07:58] <karmic> nothing :D
[07:58] <ArkoldThos> D:
[07:58] <ArkoldThos> i wonder why karmic is more unstable than debian sid :p
[07:59] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: that will change
[07:59] <Ian_Corne> is it unstable?
[07:59] <Ian_Corne> haven't noticed tbh
[07:59] <SwedeMike> ArkoldThos: probably because of newer kernel?
[07:59] <SwedeMike> sid is at 2.6.30 afaik?
[08:00] <indus> why is the new gdm black and not brown like the mock up
[08:01] <ArkoldThos> eagles0513875, yeah, just about 15 days more D:
[08:01] <ArkoldThos> SwedeMike, yup 2.6.30
[08:01] <SwedeMike> so it has 3 more months of kernel fixes
[08:01] <glick> hey, in netnbook remix, how can i adda folder to my home folder
[08:01] <eagles0513875> SwedeMike: and ArkoldThos the kernel isnt bad has some issues in my studies for linux certification if i learned anything about the kernel the odd numbers are usually dev versions even numbers are release versions
[08:01] <glick> when i right click nothing happens
[08:02] <ArkoldThos> never said the kernel was bad :p the kernel is okay, is just that everytime I update the packages alsa goes broken and other things do too, but well, just 15 days more of 10329103 updates daily :p
[08:04] <glick> wow, the new UNR interface is pretty damn sweet
[08:04] <glick> i didnt like it before but  now i love it
[08:04] <glick> it adds sooo much realestate
[08:05] <ArkoldThos> glick, what netbook you got :O?
[08:05] <ArkoldThos> im thinking on buying one, not sure yet though
[08:05] <glick> i got the 1000HE
[08:05] <glick> eee
[08:05] <glick> i love it
[08:06] <ArkoldThos> =)
[08:06] <eagles0513875> ArkoldThos: i have duel boot on my macbook pro and its the same i have no audio what so ever
[08:06] <eagles0513875> ahhhhhh i hate vista
[08:07] <glick> im running 9.10 off a usb drive and so far im VERY impressed
[08:08] <vivid> ive had troubles with this is the past...what is the recommended method to uninstall pulseaudio
[08:09] <SwedeMike> eagles0513875: that is not correct anymore, it hasn't been correct for several years. there is nothing with odd and even numbers anymore.
[08:09] <SwedeMike> eagles0513875: it used to be that 1.x where x was odd, it was dev version
[08:10] <eagles0513875> but from what i have seen with kubuntu SwedeMike is that they always seem to use even numbered kernels
[08:10] <SwedeMike> must be a coincidence.
[08:10] <glick> hmm i think i found a small bug in unr
[08:10] <glick> nothing major though
[08:10] <glick> but slightly annoying
[08:11] <mac_v> glick: big or small... any bug is a bug ;)
[08:12] <ArkoldThos> eagles0513875, the thing that is going broken on every update is alsa-base so you dont have to deal with it heheh
[08:12] <eagles0513875> humm
[08:12] <eagles0513875> i wonder if compiling it from source package would fix it
[08:18] <nowimproved> installed karmic koala, and it killed my whole system
[08:18] <nowimproved> so I reinstalled with an old ubuntu cd I had, and it somehow combined 2 of my hard drives
[08:18] <nowimproved> I cant start ubuntu unless they are both connected
[08:18] <wekt> nowimproved: do you understand how it did that?
[08:19] <nowimproved> no
[08:19] <wekt> nowimproved: which installer?
[08:19] <nowimproved> 8.0.4
[08:19] <nowimproved> one of my hard drives had windows on it
[08:19] <nowimproved> and still has it
[08:19] <wekt> nowimproved: the debian installer (a.k.a. 'alternative') or ubuntu installer?
[08:20] <nowimproved> you need both of the drives connected to boot ubuntu though
[08:20] <nowimproved> the live cd one
[08:20] <nowimproved> I dont care though, I will wait until karmic stable comes out , and format both of them
[08:20] <nowimproved> and make sure not to have 2 hard drives connected when installing
[08:21] <wekt> What are the bug targets for the debian & ubuntu installers?
[08:31] <Ian_Corne> the update just installed both -13 and -14 kernel
[08:31] <Ian_Corne> and it took the -13 kernel as the one to use actively
[08:31] <Ian_Corne> how can i change that?
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> 2.6.31-14-generic   is being used here
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> Try reruning 'update-grub' ?
[08:33] <Ian_Corne> well i saw something like -13 has been configged last, not creating symlinks
[08:34] <mysticdarkhack> morning
[08:34] <glick> hey does anyone know a good tutorial on how i can enable bootbooster on my eeepc with ubuntu?
[08:36] <mysticdarkhack> anyone here experience keyboard problem where it slow typing respond?
[08:37] <wekt> no, mystic
[08:37] <wekt> no, mysticdarkhack
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> Not really had any keyboard issues here in a while.
[08:37] <bullgard4> Is Karmic supposed to display an applet if I plug in an USB web cam (which works all right in this Karmic computer)?
[08:37] <mysticdarkhack> strange
[08:38] <wekt> but i have not updated to the most recent XServer for fear that something may break
[08:38] <wekt> and i don't wish to re-log in
[08:39] <wekt> i will do that now, though.  Bye.
[08:43] <mysticdarkhack> nevermind, it the cheap battery for my wireless keyboard
[08:43] <mysticdarkhack> lol
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:46] <thepianoguy> hi guys
[08:46] <thepianoguy> my pulseaudio doesn't see any devices
[08:46] <thepianoguy> is there anything else I need to install/configure other than default package
[08:46]  * Dr_Willis sucks at sound trouble shooting
[08:46] <thepianoguy> - the new skype supports pulseaudio only AFAIK... no alsa/oss anymore
[08:47] <|eagles0513875|> morning Dr_Willis was talking with ArkoldThos about sound he said the updates are constantly breaking alsa base package
[08:47] <glick> does ubuntu unr automatically encrypt your home folder?
[08:48] <glick> why does it give me the option to require password to login and decrypt home folder?
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> I was?  :)
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> heh.
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> glick:  sounds like its asking if you want to encrypt. I dident think it did it by default. But ibe not tested the UNR version lately.
[08:49] <ArkoldThos> hi D:
[08:49] <glick> does it decrease performance a lot?
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> glick: it might a little.. i dobt if its a lot.
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> If you are paranoid about someone stealing you rlaptop and getting your data - it may be a good idea
[08:56] <lodder> Help, on every icon in nautilus there is a check icon, how can i get rid of it?
[09:09] <topyli> lodder, yeah ubuntu one decided to put them there for both my laptop and desktop
[09:10] <lodder> topyli: is it ubuntu one? that causing it ?
[09:10] <topyli> lodder, well at least the emblem is named "ubuntuone-synchronized"
[09:11] <topyli> lodder, here's the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/450112
[09:12] <yoritomo> hello
[09:12] <yoritomo>  every web browsers are extremely slow on my karmic
[09:12] <yoritomo> i thought it was coming from the new firefox
[09:12] <yoritomo> but i tryed arora and some others one
[09:12] <yoritomo> looks like it has a problem in the config
[09:14] <yoritomo> for a page of google needs 10 secs to appears :s
[09:14] <yoritomo> that is a fresh install the the cash is almost empty
[09:15] <lodder> topyli: thx
[09:16] <yoritomo> looks like a bug
[09:16] <yoritomo> can anyone check with me please ?
[09:18] <vivid> firefox opens for me in 1.14 seconds
[09:20] <sarmisak> hi all
[09:20] <yoritomo> even for a page of google it is like that
[09:20] <sarmisak> I am using openoffice 3.1, but when I start it, it dies without warning after displaying the splash.
[09:22] <dbugger> Hey guys! Can anyone tell me why after the latest update, every icon has a green tick?
[09:23] <glick> hey how come when i do a update on a freshly installed system  i get an error message that says not all updates can be installed
[09:23] <glick> and it aske me if i wanna do a partial update
[09:23] <vivid> what updates?
[09:24] <glick> via the update manager
[09:24] <glick> after a fresh install
[09:24] <glick> over 400
[09:24] <vivid> which packages will not update?
[09:26] <yoritomo> glick i got it too
[09:26] <yoritomo> try to change the server to see
[09:26] <yoritomo> source server
[09:27] <vivid> glick, 'sudo apt-get upgrade' , what packages are under will not be upgraded?
[09:29] <topyli> dbugger, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/450112
[09:30] <dbugger> lol, funny bug :D
[09:30] <topyli> glick, in such situations, use synaptic. the updates need to remove/install packages, which an upgrade won't do but dist-upgrade will
[09:32] <glick> what do you do with dialog screens that are too big for the physical screen and you cant click 'ok'
[09:32] <glick> ?
[09:33] <topyli> glick, alt-drag
[09:34] <glick> thanks topyli
[09:34] <yoritomo> what can make the web browsers so slow like that?
[09:34] <glick> i hope they fix that papercut during final release
[09:35] <glick> thats diffinatly an annoyance
[09:35] <topyli> glick, which papercut?
[09:36] <topyli> oversized dialogs exist in many apps that should be fixed. it's not really a single problem
[09:37] <topyli> to make matters worse, compiz constrains (or at least used to constrain) windows to the top of the screen by default so you couldn't even move them
[09:38] <yoritomo> glick what is your screnn resolution?
[09:38] <vivid> compiz should be optional to install anyway imo
[09:40] <Dr_Willis> But the cube effect is the whole REASON for running Linux!
[09:40] <Dr_Willis> CubeOS
[09:40] <vivid> oh yea, most people run linux because it has flashy desktop effects right?
[09:41] <Dr_Willis> It worked for OS-X :)
[09:41] <glick> yoritomo, 1024x600
[09:41] <vivid> i guess
[09:42] <yoritomo> perfect anyway, :s
[09:42] <vivid> but it should still be optional to install, instead of optional to remove, like *cough* pulse
[09:42] <yoritomo> how comes you experience such window problem
[09:42] <glick> hey do i have to reinstall when 9.10 is officially released?
[09:42] <vivid> no
[09:42] <glick> or will the update manager bring everything up to speed?
[09:43] <elumbella> vivid: what do you run instead of pulse?
[09:44] <vivid> elumbella, alsa, but it would seem i cant do that in karmic
[09:44] <elumbella> well, i use pulse and it works fine for me
[09:45] <vivid> for me, it causes more problems than it adds features that i will ever use
[09:45] <vivid> the largest of which is microphone functionality
[09:45] <elumbella> hehe, and for me, without pulse my sound didn't work correctly
[09:45] <Dr_Willis> glick:  i tend to wait a week or 3 after release.. then do a clean reinstall.. just  to clear out all the cruft i was beta-testing
[09:46] <vivid> elumbella, but, wouldnt it be easier for you to 'apt-get install pulseaudio' to fix than it is for me to take an ice pick to my computer to get pulse to go away
[09:47] <elumbella> vivid: yeah, that of course. but you could do that with a lot of packages and then we dont have a distribution anymore...
[09:48] <vivid> well i would advocate pulseaudio if my microphone would work
[09:48] <glick> yeah good idea Dr_Willis
[09:48] <vivid> hell, i would even settle for them actually making an attempt to help get it working, rather than telling me my configuration is wrong
[09:50] <yoritomo> in virtualbox i use jaunty and the web pages are extremely faster
[09:50] <yoritomo> but on karmic can't use a browser
[09:50] <yoritomo> i think i will stop to use karmic, not yet on maturity i will reinstall jaunty
[09:50] <glick> so far the nbr is pretty nice
[09:50] <glick> im liking the netbook interface
[09:50] <glick> before i hated it
[09:53] <yoritomo> for me the experience will stop here, web browser is a thing i can't do without
[09:53] <vivid> yoritomo, try back when karmic is no longer Beta
[09:54] <glick> if i add a folder to my home directory why cant i see it in appear in the files and folders of the ubr interface?
[09:54] <yoritomo> yes, but untill now, nobody can tell me the problem about browsers, than means it is difficult case
[09:55] <vivid> yoritomo, i would tell you why, but i dont have that problem and no idea what to tell ya : /
[09:55] <vivid> are you running a LiveCD by chance?
[09:56] <glick> is that a bug?
[09:57] <yoritomo> no :) it is installed on hard drive :)
[09:57] <yoritomo> and not usb ;)
[09:57] <glick> no
[09:57] <glick> ive installed it
[10:00] <yoritomo> vivid i can provide logs, but need to know which one
[10:12] <glick> why arnt all my folders in my home directory listed under files & Folders?
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> what 'files and folders' ?
[10:13] <glick> Dr_Willis, in the ubr interface
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> no idea on that. I hate the UNR interface.  :) fisrt thing i did on my AAO was install ubuntu-desktop
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> :P
[10:14]  * Dr_Willis imagines we will need a #ubuntu-UNR+Moblin channel soon.
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> its proberly getting what ones to show from a directory of links, or other settings
[10:15] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. HULUdesktop for Linux is getting me... annoyed.. pause a video..  and it then cant resume it.
[10:16] <vivid> hulu for linux?
[10:17] <dumbby> hallo~ha~
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> Yes. Hulu came out with a linux client last week
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> it works 'ok' but has issues.. or it could be hulu servers are the issue
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> but at least it lets me legally watch some shows. :)
[10:17] <vivid> i thought hulu was a website
[10:18] <tosse_> hi, im having problems getting kernel output on serial console in karmic (amd64), normally console=ttyS0,115200 in the kernel line in grub does it but i get no output
[10:18] <tosse_> i get "Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console" but I don't know if thats related
[10:20] <Dr_Willis> vivid:  yes. it is.. and they have had 'stand alone' clients for ages.
[10:20] <glick> anyone use netbook remix with the UNR interface?
[10:23] <rob0> I wonder why, with UNR Karmic, there was an ISO of the beta and not a USB img? How many netbooks have CD drives, and what's the point of a tiny little computer if you're also toting along an external CD/DVD drive?
[10:24] <Lego9998> Hello volks, perhaps anyone can help mei have done a upgrade from Jaunty to Karmic with apdate-manager -d
[10:25] <Lego9998> the upgrade was very well done but at the next reboot Grub can't find the Partition (there is encryptet with LUKS)
[10:25] <Lego9998> what can i do to learn Grub the correct way ? thanks for propositions
[10:25] <Dr_Willis> You can easually use unetbootin, or the usb-creator tool to make a bootable flash gizmo rob0
[10:25] <Dr_Willis> rob0:  when we had the IMG many people wanted it to be an iso.. or though tit was an iso and tried to put it on cd.
[10:25] <rob0> yeah I know, but I don't have either of those, my only ubuntu is the netbook.
[10:26] <Dr_Willis> It was a little annoying when you dd'd the 1gb img to a 8gb flash drive.. then discovered that the other 7gb was basically unuseable...
[10:26] <Dr_Willis> Now if unetbootin could just set up a peristant save file.. and if persistant save stuff worked better.....
[10:27] <Dr_Willis> then that would be nice. :)
[10:27] <rob0> true, but that's only an issue for the install, once you're past the install, repartition the flash.
[10:27] <Dr_Willis> But i wan tto keep the flash useable as a restore/recover/live portable system also
[10:28] <rob0> yes, an OS-on-USB would be handy.
[10:28] <glick> why arnt all my folders in my home directory listed under files & Folders?
[10:28] <Dr_Willis> I have to tweak my usb-os - things to get the peristant save working properly
[10:29] <glick> in the nbr interface
[10:33] <joaopinto> glick, no nbr users here
[10:34] <vivid> Dr_Willis, yes the hulu client is pretty neat, a little laggy though, gg flash
[10:34] <glick> dang
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> vivid:  been trying to watch some videos.. it fails 3x now to play the 2 comercial break.. then  cant resume the video
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> sort of makes it suck :)
[10:36] <vivid> havent gotten that far yet, are you on 64bit?
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> vivid:  the moovida progral in the repos is a similer interface for your local files.
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> 64bit here.
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> I had to edit my .huludesktop file to point to the right flash plugin
[10:36] <vivid> same
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> [flash]
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> flash_location = /var/lib/flashplugin-installer/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> was what i got from the forums. :)
[10:38] <wekt> If you have a backlog of stale unsent apport crash reports, how can they be summarily deleted?
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. grub2 can aparantly boot .iso files? from what i just read in a forum.
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> wekt:  not sure.. i end up having to clean out a dozen a day.
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> im so used to that crash icon being there..
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> Id be happy if the crash reporter could rember my sudo password.. so i dont have to keep reentering it.
[10:40] <Dr_Willis> devkit-disks-helper-ata-smart-collect is Always crashing
[10:40] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, right, in some place that other app would be able to get :)
[10:40] <wekt> i haven't seen that one
[10:40] <joaopinto> :P
[10:41] <wekt> joaopinto in private non VM RAM
[10:41] <joaopinto> wekt, private RAM ? what is that ?
[10:41] <glick> hard to believe to one uses nbr
[10:41] <joaopinto> glick, believe it :)
[10:42] <wekt> There is 'shared memory' by 'private', i mean not shared.
[10:42] <wekt> then the kernel & CPU prevent access to it by other processes
[10:42] <joaopinto> wekt, hum, I am not aware of memory controlled on a per process basis, only on a per user/group basis
[10:42] <wekt> it is per process
[10:43] <joaopinto> still, that would require ubuntu-bug to run as a service, which is not the case :)
[10:43] <joaopinto> wekt, any link where I can read about that ?
[10:43] <wekt> yes, that would be required.
[10:43] <wekt> i'll check my bookmarks.
[10:44] <rob0> I use NBR and the NBR interface for it, but the file browser works for me.
[10:52] <aprilhare> hello
[10:52] <aprilhare> is anyone having problems with zeroconf?
[10:53] <aprilhare> cause i can't access my linux box's attached printer from windows machine..
[10:53] <stonk> hi. WQuick question, does karmic have better support for photocopiers that use mailbox/passwords? thanks
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> aprilhare: do youhave samba installed?
[10:54] <aprilhare> ActionParsnip, not using samba. not sure if its installed.
[10:54] <wekt> joaopintoi i don't know anything exact links to the topic, but these are good resources for that sort of thing.
[10:55] <wekt> http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/
[10:55] <aprilhare> ActionParsnip, yes samba installed
[10:55] <wekt> http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/index.html
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> aprilhare: ive not done it any other way, your printers (i believe) are default shared with samba. If you jump on the windows system and open a run dialogue and type: \\<host name>    you should see the printer which you can right click and click connect
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> aprilhare: you may need to provide the driver for the printer in windows
[10:58] <joaopinto> wekt, I am familiar with C apps development in Linux, I am not familiar with the feature you have described :)
[10:58] <aprilhare> ActionParsnip, all that is taken care of. its the resolving the mdns thats the problem
[10:59] <aprilhare> HP WeirdJet on http://aprilhare-x64-desktop.local
[10:59] <aprilhare> :631
[10:59] <aprilhare> forgot that bit
[10:59] <aprilhare> so yeah zeroconf is stuffing up
[10:59] <joaopinto> wekt, private memory usually referes to non shared memory, however, it is not protected from an OS perspective
[11:00] <wekt> joaopinto, the protection is what causes SegFault
[11:01] <joaopinto> wekt, not really, a segault is when you try for example to write data on a code segement
[11:01] <joaopinto> it protects segements flaggeds for different purposes
[11:01] <wekt> i did not know that would also produce seg fault.
[11:02] <joaopinto> wekt, the name implies it "segmentation fault" :)
[11:02] <wekt> do you have a reference about that?
[11:02] <wekt> There is self modifying code
[11:03] <joaopinto> wekt, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmentation_fault
[11:05] <aprilhare> for those out of the loop, zeroconf is also branded as Bonjour by Apple: http://support.apple.com/downloads/Bonjour_for_Windows
[11:06] <wekt> joaopinto, well they don't cover code segments in that article, but they do address constant strings, so one can expect that code is also protected.
[11:07]  * aprilhare checks the version of bonjour on his laptop and discovers it is old
[11:07] <joaopinto> wekt, they described read-only areas, code segements can be flagged as read-only
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> aprilhare: you can have it printing directly to cups
[11:07] <wekt> certainly
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> aprilhare: http://www.kindawannadothat.com/2009/06/connect-windows-to-a-cups-printer/
[11:08] <aprilhare> ActionParsnip, i suspect thats what i set it up to do :)
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> aprilhare: seems like a decent guide. review your settings
[11:08] <aprilhare> its odd. you can't check printer settings in windows for a network printer unless it can connect to the printer.
[11:09] <Dr_Willis> cups security.
[11:09] <aprilhare> since it has worked once it may work again (you never know) lol
[11:09] <Dr_Willis> You could set up guest accounts to let anyone/everyone connect/print to the printer
[11:09] <Dr_Willis> cups is 1/2 voodoo 1/2 logic 1/2 luck
[11:09] <Dr_Willis> and  smb on windows is 90% luck it seems
[11:09] <aprilhare> its worked right for a long time now
[11:10] <aprilhare> as i said, its not the printing its the zeroconf/bonjour
[11:10] <Dr_Willis> I still cant figure out why  the one xp box i got hass to connect to the shared printer on linux via ip# not servername
[11:10] <aprilhare> i prefer it that way actually Dr_Willis
[11:10] <aprilhare> zeroconf is the best
[11:10] <Dr_Willis> not when the wife wants to print. and she cant. :)
[11:10] <aprilhare> ... when its working that is
[11:11] <Dr_Willis> ive never really dug into zeroconf. it seems like a cool feature taht no one mentions/uses/knows about
[11:11] <aprilhare> gotta quit bonjour install wants xchat dead brb
[11:11] <aprilhare> zeroconf is very cool
[11:11] <aprilhare> brb
[11:13] <ActionParsnip> jesus sql is sloow :(
[11:13] <aprilhare> re
[11:13]  * aprilhare restarts windows
[11:14] <aprilhare> silly windows installers
[11:14] <aprilhare> you blow your nose on a windows pc you need to reboot
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> or move the mouse
[11:15] <aprilhare> gfloppy still missing from karmic :/ how am i gunna format my floppy disks? :D
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> mkfs command. :)
[11:16] <aprilhare> i suppose i could install kfloppy... but its so not gnome!
[11:16] <aprilhare> mkfs command somehow seems overkill :D
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> a gui to do it seems overkill
[11:18] <rob0> Floppies are ... underkill?
[11:18] <aprilhare> Dr_Willis: you never used amigaos then :) gui >> cli for some tasks. such as formatting floppies
[11:18] <Dr_Willis> I used the AmigaOS for a great many years
[11:18] <Dr_Willis> and i had command line tools in it to format my floppies to the fastfilesystem :)
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> and copy them to the RAD: disk so i could boot from Rad:
[11:19] <aprilhare> yay for RAD:!
[11:19]  * Dr_Willis misses the CanDO for many tasks
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> Such a handy program/ide/language
[11:19] <Jaymac> is ayone else having huge usb stick issues?
[11:20] <aprilhare> actually RAD: didn't work at the end for me. for some reason caching my kickstart to fast ram broke rebootable RAD disks
[11:20] <aprilhare> Jaymac: i hope not.
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> Jaymac:  they are not auto mounting automacially?
[11:20] <aprilhare> yay for CanDO!
[11:20] <aprilhare> is there an equivalent of CanDO! for linux?..
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> aprilhare:  yep. Still havent found a good replacement for it..
[11:21] <aprilhare> Dr_Willis: time to get coding :)
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> aprilhare:  Not that ive seen.  but i dont really need it any more
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> I rarely need to program much these days. but if i had the tools i might
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> Then theres the Amiga Emulators out I could really use if i wanted..
[11:22] <Jaymac> Dr_Willis, it mounts automatically - i see it on my desktop
[11:22] <Jaymac> but it takes nautilis several minutes to open it
[11:22] <Jaymac> and even trying command line transfer or listing on it takes ages
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> but i realized the power of Regular expressions -  a 200+ lines of CanDoo Scripting.. i replaced with 3 lines of perl and a regular expression or 2.... :P
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> Jaymac:   so they are 'slow' Hmm
[11:23] <|eagles0513875|> hehe i need to pick up scripting when i have some time
[11:23] <|eagles0513875|> just swamped wtih school atm
[11:23] <aprilhare> Dr_Willis: i give u a programming challenge and you turn to emulators? what sort of linux hacker are you? :D
[11:24] <Dr_Willis> aprilhare:  one that gets the job done.
[11:24]  * Dr_Willis is an Engineer.
[11:24] <aprilhare> aaahhhh.
[11:24] <C-S-B> mmm... the ubuntu kernel seems to be a lot more stable than my one. Does that say more about me or ubuntu?
[11:24] <Dr_Willis> well im trainded as an enginere.. and am 'skilled trades' who actually DOES real work fixing things.
[11:24] <aprilhare> Dr_Willis: i've worked as engineer too