[22:48] <hans109h> @apw I finally figured out how to apply your patches to the source and compile the latest kernel so that my serial port works.  Thanks for the help.


[04:45] <nigelb> 52
[04:45] <nigelb> grr
[07:45] <dholbach> good morning
[08:57] <philipballew> chilicuil, sorry to not be around for the loco hangouts. Finals week here next two weeks at school.
[11:02] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:06] <smartboyhw> aloha
[12:23] <vibhav> Good Morning
[12:33] <czajkowski> hmm very unsure about this communities thingymegiggy on G+
[12:36] <daker> dholbach: i need you NOW! can i PM ?
[12:36] <dholbach> daker, sure
[12:40] <jcastro_> czajkowski: yeah I don't get how it's much different from Pages
[12:40] <jcastro_> but whatever, shrug
[12:43] <dholbach> jcastro_, people can have actual discussions in there - without having to resort to commenting on threads which have nothing to do with it? :)
[12:48] <jcastro_> heh, yeah
[12:49] <jcastro_> dholbach: we can have subforums in there too
[12:49] <jcastro_> but I don't want to replicate the forums and/or askubuntu for those sections, so I haven't created any
[12:53] <dholbach> we'll just see how it works out
[12:57] <dholbach> daker, replied
[12:58] <daker> thanks :)
[13:36] <czajkowski> jcastro_: yeah I dont mind the ubuntu stuff but I'm getting invited to communiies I've no interest in or are no where near m location
[13:39] <jcastro_> yeah
[13:40] <jcastro_> like, I like BSG but I'm not going to join a battlestar page, heh
[13:40] <czajkowski> also you can get notifications or not
[13:40] <czajkowski> but no way to set the amount like you can on circles
[13:40] <czajkowski> so I suspect the notifications are going to irritate me
[14:11] <daker> mhall119: thanks for the reply :)
[14:39] <AlanBell> http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do looks like we are evil again
[14:53] <marcoceppi> AlanBell: Isn't this old news? Aren't they a little behind on this FUD?
[14:53]  * czajkowski tends not to read the rants of RMS
[15:05] <popey> many people do though
[15:08] <IdleOne> long winded bag of FUD
[15:09] <czajkowski> no dpm this week ?
[15:10] <dholbach> czajkowski, he was there beginning of the week - now I think it's a bank holiday or an extended weekend or something
[15:10] <czajkowski> ah ok
[15:10] <czajkowski> want to do a join post to get someone to look after the translations team on LP
[15:11] <czajkowski> as currently not much going on there. it's not so much the LP team as the translations team so it appears in my queue as we no longer have the devs looking at those questions and dpm has said he's busy
[15:23] <mhall119> dholbach: both I think
[15:23] <mhall119> he'll be back on Tuesday
[15:56] <AlanBell> marcoceppi: indeed, the issue isn't new, but that article is new
[15:58] <jono> mhall119, jcastro_, balloons so we are missing dpm and dholbach from the call - did you guys have any demos?
[15:58] <jcastro_> nope
[15:58] <balloons> no demo for me this week
[15:59] <jcastro_> it actually feels like it's been 5 horus since our last demo call
[15:59] <balloons> though, lol, I could give my same demo with sound :-)
[15:59] <jcastro_> this week has flown!
[15:59] <balloons> ^^ agreed
[15:59] <jono> yeah seriously
[15:59] <jono> I can't believe that Jack is already three weeks old
[15:59] <jono> which is *nutS*
[15:59] <balloons> WHA?
[15:59] <jono> indeed
[15:59] <jono> and he is already taller than his mom
[15:59] <jono> lol
[16:00] <mhall119> jono: I was going to show of Quickly, since I couldn't last week
[16:00] <jono> mhall119, cool
[16:00] <jono> I will set it up
[16:01] <jono> mhall119, balloons, jcastro_ invite sent
[16:01] <balloons> ROFL
[16:04]  * balloons crossing fingers
[16:25] <SergioMeneses> balloons, around?
[16:25] <balloons> SergioMeneses, yes, indeed
[17:23] <bkerensa> morning
[17:30] <SergioMeneses> bkerensa, hi
[19:06] <jcastro_> guido -> dropbox: http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/07/dropbox-guido-van-rossum-python/
[19:30] <jcastro_> AlanBell: around?
[19:33] <AlanBell> hi jcastro_
[19:33] <jcastro_> hey so I put out a second call for help on ubuntu-devel wrt. the juju unprovider/ssh thing
[19:34] <jcastro_> but still little interest other than "yeah that would be awesome"
[19:34] <jcastro_> ideas?
[19:35]  * AlanBell goes to read
[19:37] <AlanBell> so, what is involved in making it? what language?
[19:42] <jcastro_> python
[19:42] <jcastro_> sec I have the reqs somewhere
[19:44] <jcastro_> https://juju.ubuntu.com/the-juju-unprovider/
[19:44] <AlanBell> I think it would be massively valuable to the juju project
[19:45] <jcastro_> indeed, you're speaking to the choir
[19:45] <AlanBell> I would love to install all stuff via juju so I later have the option to scale out
[19:47] <jcastro_> right, so you can't be the only guy who wants that, heh
[19:47] <AlanBell> indeed, at the moment juju is lolno for pretty much everything at the start
[19:49] <AlanBell> ok, I have the code, I will look at it later, see if I understand it
[19:49] <AlanBell> we have a minion starting in January, might be a nice starter project for him
[19:49] <jcastro_> AlanBell: well, I didn't mean you specifically, I was more thinking "Alan knows many python folks"
[19:49] <jcastro_> but your solution is just as good. :)
[19:50] <jcastro_> I was more thinking I have a marketing problem finding a person
[19:51] <AlanBell> ooh, not much code involved
[19:52] <AlanBell> I am a bit surprised that this isn't strategic to the project and internally funded
[19:52] <jcastro_> we want to do it
[19:52] <jcastro_> but tbh we're moving in the other direction on the scaling ... scale.
[19:52] <jcastro_> we're more thinking thousands.
[19:53] <jcastro_> though scaling down would be awesome too, but given limited resources ... :-/
[19:53] <jcastro_> that's why we were thinking it's a nice bit that someone can round out
[19:53] <AlanBell> hmm, looks like it does ssh key auth to root@sever address
[19:53] <AlanBell> do we log in as root on cloud stuff these days then?
[19:54] <jcastro_> no, on real clouds there's an ubuntu account
[19:54] <jcastro_> and it's key based based on the keys in your account
[19:54] <AlanBell> does that do sudo from there?
[19:54] <jcastro_> maybe? I'm not quite sure, but I can round someone up on #juju if it'll help make things clearer
[20:05] <bkerensa> jono: is your blog offline?
[20:06] <jono> bkerensa, having some hosting issues
[20:07] <jono> it is a bit variable right now
[20:07] <bkerensa> jono: ok
[20:08] <jono> :-)
[20:20] <bkerensa> jono: did you ever move to the cloud?
[20:21] <jono> bkerensa, moved to a VPS
[20:21] <jono> the cloud scares me
[20:21] <jono> my blog gets *hammered* from time to time
[20:21] <jono> and I don't want to wake up to a second mortgage :-)
[20:21] <bkerensa> jono: oh :) you should consider cloudflare? I assume the site is down due to high traffic? :)
[20:21] <jono> bkerensa, no
[20:22] <jono> it is down due to hosting issues with my provider
[20:22] <bkerensa> oh
[20:22] <jono> timing, eh?
[20:22] <jono> hey so bkerensa
[20:22] <jono> still want to help with CLS in terms of staff on the day?
[20:23] <bkerensa> jono: most definately...


[01:59] <criptixo> hello
[01:59] <criptixo> can anyone hear me
[02:06] <Kumool> criptixo: no
[02:06] <Kumool> i mean yes
[02:06] <Kumool> i mean no
[02:07] <criptixo> lol
[02:07] <criptixo> I'm so bored
[02:30] <Kumool> have you tried gaming?
[02:31] <Kumool> you can also stop procrastinating and do something with your life
[05:22] <Ortheas> hello there
[05:23] <Ortheas> I'm new to Linux, and having issues with installing kernel modules, says the system isn't set up to build them
[05:25] <well_laid_lawn> Ortheas:  the actual error is most helpful
[05:26] <well_laid_lawn> you can try build-dep
[05:26] <well_laid_lawn> !build-dep
[05:27] <Ortheas> ok, that ran, says "E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
[05:28] <well_laid_lawn> !repos
[05:28] <Ortheas> thanks, I'll take a look at those
[05:28] <well_laid_lawn> it's about setting up the package manager
[05:28] <well_laid_lawn> !apt
[05:29] <well_laid_lawn> !packages
[06:19] <Ortheas> Thank you all, I'm up and running
[06:31] <well_laid_lawn> Ortheas:  well done
[12:13] <xubuntu19w> Всем привет!
[12:15] <xubuntu19w> Прошу помощи от сообщества. Необходимо настраивать динамически частоту процессора, как в gnome расширении CPU Power Manager
[12:15] <gnrp> !ru
[12:21] <xubuntu13w> Good day. It is necessary to adjust the frequency of the processor dynamically as in the addition to the gnome CPU Power Manager
[12:23] <xubuntu13w> any ideas
[12:27] <brainwash> xubuntu13w: gnome?
[12:28] <brainwash> what is the problem (actual data)?
[12:33] <xubuntu13w> well i use xubuntu gnome extension not supported
[12:34] <xubuntu13w> I thought maybe someone knows an analog for
[12:35] <xubuntu13w> xubuntu
[12:37] <diogenes_> xubuntu13w, what do you need to achieve?
[20:45] <xubuntu19w> i have downloaded xbuntu but how to install it
[20:45] <xubuntu19w> what is the procedure


[00:43] <Cheri703> https://chzdailywhat.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/82fd3a98-ee62-4028-9ef4-a6f71e9508f1.gif
[01:56] <jrgifford> lol...
[01:56] <jrgifford> canthus13: oh ok.
[02:01] <Unit193> I'd have to agree...
[02:01] <Unit193> He just knows more from personal
[02:09] <canthus13> Unit193: Just one server right now. Bob is handling everything -- shells, media, web... Titan was fried a while back.
[02:10] <Unit193> Eh, no fun. I still want to set ONE up and not just randomly stick it across several computers :/
[02:11]  * canthus13 had duties divided originally.. Media server, web/shell/mail server, and a tackling dummy for exploits.
[02:27] <jrgifford> way i set things up was something like this:
[02:28] <jrgifford> VM host, VM1=media, VM2=web/shell, and then the ability to add VM3-5 if needed for other things.
[02:28] <jrgifford> but now we're down to VM host and then VM1.
[02:29] <canthus13> jrgifford: I may do something like that with Xen when I get a better CPU and more RAM.
[02:29] <Unit193> ^^
[02:33] <jrgifford> canthus13: i just run everything off 128MB or 512 of RAM, its not like Ubuntu server needs a *lot*...
[02:33] <jrgifford> ssh, screen and a http server?
[02:33] <Unit193> Debian....
[02:33] <jrgifford> well, straight debian might be easier. :)
[02:34] <canthus13> jrgifford: My machine right now has a 3ghz proc and 1GB ram. It'll support a 6 core AMD CPU and 8 GB...
[02:34] <canthus13> But yeah, SSH/screen/irssi for several people, http, NFS, mail...
[02:35] <canthus13> ...and maybe DVL when/if it ever rereleases, just for fun.  And then maybe Win 2k8 server as a tackling dummy.
[02:35] <jrgifford> oh, if you start doing that yeah i could see that getting rather heavy on the CPU and RAM.
[02:56] <Cheri703> I'm contemplating combining my stuff onto one server, I think it will have to wait until a. I get another/bigger hdd, and a nice large monitor
[02:57]  * canthus13 has one monitor for his servers... no KVM, even.  he doesn't really need one. once they're up and running, they rarely need console access.
[02:58] <Cheri703> well, I have my media/storage/whatever server, and then my heavier duty/more powerful computer that I use for specific things. I want to get a nice 30ish inch monitor to use as a tv, and then I can also use it when needing the quad-core for stuff (and yes, that is heavy duty in my household)
[03:00] <Cheri703> want one of these with a 30" monitor: http://www.ergotron.com/Products/tabid/65/PRDID/56/language/en-US/Default.aspx
[03:00] <Cheri703> holds up to 30lbs
[19:37] <jrgifford> paultag: slow down with the github following man!
[19:37] <jrgifford> i check for the first time in a few days, and the entire front page is YOU. :D
[19:39] <paultag> jrgifford: hey man, that was you for a while
[19:39] <paultag> jrgifford: also, those are all my new coworkers :)
[19:39] <paultag> jrgifford: also, screenshot or it never happened :)
[19:40] <jrgifford> haha, i know, one good turn deserves another. ;)
[19:41]  * jrgifford takes screenshot
[19:41] <jrgifford> oh, its only 2/3rds...
[19:41] <jrgifford> close enough. :D
[19:41] <paultag> :)
[19:44] <jrgifford> http://i.imgur.com/DQ0kO.png and http://i.imgur.com/FjZ6W.png. :)
[19:45] <paultag> jrgifford: hahaha!
[19:45] <paultag> :)
[21:23] <thafreak> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/12/how-hackers-gave-subway-a-30-million-lesson-in-point-of-sale-security.ars
[22:15] <Cheri703> Unit193: still home?
[22:17] <Unit193> Yeah, can't really get there :/
[22:17] <Unit193> There is someone else there I hope?
[22:18] <Cheri703> no worries, I'm here eating, then will go run errands, so no issue either way
[22:19] <Unit193> Eh, I guess. Still a bummer either way
[22:20] <Cheri703> it would be, but I got my super yummy sandwich, so happy tummy :)
[22:21] <Unit193> Heh, have fun eating that : D
[23:26] <canthus13> wow.  Oneiric  has serious wireless issues. :/
[23:27] <canthus13> It's freezing every few seconds for 2 or 3 seconds at a time.


  I need windows for reasons but want to reduce memory footprint.  Is anyone here familiar with the "dark arts"?  I'd use bblean64 but it's outdatedand buggy
[12:44] <Scary_Guy> alternatively if anyone has a badass gaming laptop they want to sell cheap I can take this thing to the range and load up a nice target wallpaper, then have some fun destroying it.  It's barely useable for e-mail, and I need it to do way more
[13:17] <Scary_Guy> bbl, question still stands if anyone has any advice, thx
[15:08] <cmaloney> Good morning
[15:09] <cmaloney> I haven't played much with the Windows "Dark Arts"
[15:09] <cmaloney> (I know he's offline but not sure if reading online archives)


[00:15] <gary_poster> lifeless, fun idea.  I added it to the bug
[00:16] <gary_poster> night all
[00:27] <wallyworld__> StevenK: i can get a asus with i7-2670QM and 16GB RAM and 1920x1080 15.6" display for $1300. sounds ok i think
[00:32] <wgrant> That's huge.
[00:32] <wgrant> But nice res.
[00:33] <wallyworld__> wgrant: huge? you mean screen size?
[00:33] <wgrant> Yeah
[00:33] <wallyworld__> i wouldn't go smaller
[00:34] <wallyworld__> 15.6" is the smallest i've had ever
[00:34] <wgrant> I guess if you're using it as a desktop without an external monitor it might make sense.
[00:34] <wallyworld__> i have an external monitor too
[00:34] <wgrant> OK, so it doesn't make sense :)
[00:35] <wallyworld__> i like to move about a bit sometimes
[01:23] <gary_poster> lifeless, I was shutting down my juju instances and realized I forgot to give the new subunit/testtools/testrepository packages a whirl.  I just replaced everything on the master and slave and started a new run.  Everything seems great.  Once that packaging snafu is dealt with for subunit, everything looks good for a release from what I can tell.
[01:23] <gary_poster> thank you!
[01:24]  * gary_poster disappears again
[01:24] <StevenK> Bah
[01:24] <StevenK> Disappeared before I could tease him.
[01:35] <wallyworld__> StevenK: are you going to update factory methods to use info_type for branches?
[01:36] <StevenK> Down the line, yes.
[01:36] <StevenK> It's a bit premature right now.
[01:36] <wallyworld__> StevenK: ok. i've got some tests with placeholders for when that happens
[01:37] <StevenK> wallyworld__: I'm happy to sprinkle in information_type into makeBranch() in the current branch I'm doing.
[01:37] <StevenK> I just won't remove private yet
[01:37] <wallyworld__> StevenK: that would be nice, thanks
[01:37] <StevenK> wallyworld__: Aye, I shall.
[01:38] <wallyworld__> you ocr?
[01:38] <StevenK> I should be.
[01:38] <wallyworld__> i will have a mp soon :-)
[01:39] <StevenK> I'll be sure to give it the appropiate amount of attention.
[01:39] <StevenK> (IE, none at all.)
[01:43] <StevenK> cjwatson: Re your db branch, don't worry about the +8, it's a DB patch, and I don't think it should count.
[01:48] <lifeless> wgrant: have you read the browserid spec?
[01:53] <wgrant> lifeless: Not in depth, but I know roughly how it works.
[01:55] <wgrant> lifeless: Assuming it becomes semi-standardised and gains some widespread support, I see no technical reason to forbid it.
[01:55] <lifeless> the thing I wonder, quite apart from whether its a good idea
[01:56] <lifeless> is whether someone can create an openid thunk
[01:56] <lifeless> and we can avoid supporting it entirely
[01:56] <lifeless> wgrant: overhead is overhead
[01:57] <wgrant> Sure, one could pretty easily implement an OpenID provider which effectively proxies BrowserID.
[01:57] <lifeless> wgrant: I skimmed it about 6 months ago
[01:57] <lifeless> but the details are paged out
[01:58] <lifeless> so, if you can do that, one wonders my mozilla didn't just do that instead.
[02:01] <wgrant> lifeless: Well
[02:01] <wgrant> lifeless: Part of the idea of BrowserID is that browsers will implement it.
[02:01] <wgrant> So there'll be no bouncing around.
[02:01] <wgrant> The browser will authenticate directly with its keypair and a time-limited certificate signed by the provider.
[02:02] <wgrant> One could implement an OpenID gateway, but it would still involving hideous redirects and ugliness.
[02:09] <lifeless> wgrant: yes, I'm aware of that
[02:09] <lifeless> wgrant: my HTTP nazi hate just loooves that
[02:12] <wgrant> It does mean that you have to trust the browser, and you can't really seamlessly integrate server-side 2FA.
[02:13] <wgrant> But it in all otherwise a tonne less hideous, sick and wrong.
[04:18]  * wallyworld__ -> computer shop @#$%%$#!
[04:19] <StevenK> Hahaahaha
[04:19] <wallyworld__> bastard :-(
[05:34] <jtv> StevenK, wgrant: just had another silly idea… one of the more expensive parts of publishing is now the “ls -lR.”  Could we maybe kick that off earlier, using the MF?
[05:35] <wgrant> We might be able to, yeah.
[05:37] <jtv> It's getting hard to single out culprits now, but IIRC this was a relatively big one.
[06:04] <StevenK> wallyworld__: Are you back yet?
[06:46] <wallyworld__> StevenK: back. bloody traffic accident. took 1 hour for a 15 minute trip :-(
[06:50] <bigjools> haha
[06:50] <jtv> wgrant: interested in reviewing the scrubber change?  https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/bug-994650-scrub-faster/+merge/105169
[06:51] <wgrant> jtv: It would be my pleasure.
[06:51] <jtv> \o/
[06:54] <jtv> I think I'll grab some food, meanwhile.
[07:15] <wgrant> jtv: Looks good.
[07:15] <wgrant> jtv: I'm not sure if avoiding loading the POFiles is a useful optimisation at this stage, but it can't hurt.
[08:24] <wgrant> StevenK: Have you run the garbo job over dev and test sampledata?
[08:26] <StevenK> wgrant: Nope, I was going to do that with the db patch
[08:26] <wgrant> StevenK: Sounds reasonable.
[08:27] <wgrant> Just means you have to practice a bit of necromancy.
[08:27] <StevenK> Meh, the garbo job is still in db-devel ... :-)
[08:27] <wgrant> True
[08:28] <stub> Should garbo tasks become celery tasks, or should we keep the garbo infrastructure?
[08:34] <wgrant> I think it'll all become celery once that's stable.
[09:01] <jtv> wgrant: are you well?
[09:02] <jtv> You approved my branch without comments.  Naturally I'm concerned.
[09:07] <wgrant> Heh
[09:12] <nigelb> hahahahah
[09:12] <nigelb> jtv: remember to make some pep8 violations so you both can breathe easy :D
[09:13] <jtv> Thanks.  I'll try to remember that.
[09:13] <jtv> And if I don't, then wgrant can point out that I forgot.
[09:13] <nigelb> Heh.
[09:14] <StevenK> Oh, sure. "You forgot to make some silly mistakes in this branch so I can comment. Oh wait, I just did comment. Damn it!"
[09:40] <adeuring> good morning
[11:16] <rick_h_> morning adeuring
[11:16] <adeuring> morning rick_h_
[12:09] <jtv> Any reviewers about?  If so, have an MP!  https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/bug-994650-scrub-in-batches
[13:29] <czajkowski> morning
[13:31] <rick_h_> morning czajkowski early out west isn't it?
[13:32] <czajkowski> yes
[13:32] <czajkowski> 6:35
[14:00] <czajkowski> any advice folks https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/196568
[14:17] <abentley> adeuring: is "name.find('/eggs') >= 0" equivalent to "'/eggs' in name" ?
[14:17] <adeuring> abentley: ah, sure...
[14:17] <abentley> adeuring: I find the latter more intuitive.
[14:18] <adeuring> right
[14:20] <abentley> adeuring: So most of this code is about determining whether the src directory is sys.path, and adding it if it's not?
[14:21] <adeuring> abentley: yes
[14:22] <abentley> adeuring: Have you tested this with lazr.jobrunner installed as an egg?  Seems like this kind of thing could easily break in that environment.
[14:23] <adeuring> abentley: I haven't tested it yet. But why should it break?
[14:24] <abentley> adeuring: I find the whole eggs/buildout thing magical, and I never know what's going to break it, so I would want to test it.
[14:25] <abentley> adeuring: In particular, I'd worry that /usr/bin/python -m celery.bin.celeryd_detach is not going to pick up all the other eggs that Launchpad installs.
[14:26] <adeuring> abentley: Have a look at the scripts in <lp-branch>/bin. Most of them are thin wrappers around a real script and just configure sys.path. Take celeryd as an example
[14:27] <adeuring> abentley: celeryd starts fine
[14:27] <abentley> adeuring: Sure, but most of them specify a giant load of paths.  I thought yours was just about adding one path.
[14:27] <adeuring> abentley: no: extended_path = [name for name in sys.path if '/eggs' in name]
[14:27] <adeuring> that adds the whole bunch
[14:28] <adeuring> abentley: the extra steps with this_path is about the development environment
[14:28] <adeuring> where lazr.jobrunner is not W"eggified"
[14:29] <abentley> adeuring: Is there any need to configure CELERYD_PREFETCH_MULTIPLIER now that we're using CELERY_ACKS_LATE?
[14:30] <adeuring> abentley: I am not 100% sure but don't want to test it either. I must admit that I did not understand the related docs fully...
[14:35] <abentley> adeuring: r=me
[14:35] <adeuring> abentley: cool, thanks
[14:47] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/db-packageset-score/+merge/105113 looks like it has sufficient review now - could somebody mark the MP as Approved for me and then I can land it?
[14:51] <adeuring> abentley: what were the jobs again which we wanted to run via celery on stanging/qastaging? i.e., which classs names should appear in jobs.celery.enabled_classes ?
[14:51] <rick_h_> cjwatson: done
[14:51] <abentley> adeuring: BranchScanJob.
[14:51] <adeuring> abentley: thanks
[14:53] <cjwatson> rick_h_: ta
[15:15] <rick_h_> abentley: https://code.launchpad.net/~rharding/launchpad/ga_combo/+merge/105219 for you when you get a sec pls
[15:16] <rick_h_> abentley: note that there's a lot of qualifications and such with it
[15:16] <rick_h_> looks worse than it is because of the file move/copy of the ga.js around :/
[15:16] <abentley> rick_h_: "a diff'd version"?
[15:17] <rick_h_> abentley: in the google-analytics directory is a diff to the raw google provided js file so that it strips the things against our 'outside js/css' policy
[15:25] <abentley> rick_h_: I don't think that copyright statement is correct.  They don't nest like that.
[15:25] <rick_h_> abentley: yea, wasn't sure about that. I tried to state the "Code below" to help clarify
[15:28] <abentley> rick_h_: I believe that including Google's code makes the whole file a derived work, so the header should be "Copyright 2012 Canonical Ltd, Copyright Google Inc." or similar.
[15:29] <rick_h_> abentley: ok, sounds reasonable to me. Is there someone I should run this by/check officially you know of?
[15:31] <abentley> rick_h_: You could try Amanda Brock.  The dept is https://wiki.canonical.com/LegalServices
[15:31] <rick_h_> abentley: ty
[15:34] <abentley> rick_h_: Where was this file before now?
[15:34] <rick_h_> abentley: icing/google-analytics/ga.js
[15:35] <abentley> rick_h_: So with this change, do we have it in three places?
[15:35] <rick_h_> abentley: yes, for the moment
[15:36] <rick_h_> we have to support both combo loader/non-combo loader users
[15:36] <rick_h_> I guess we could get rid of the copy in the app/js/google-analytics directory, only the .diff file is *required*
[15:37] <abentley> rick_h_: If we can get rid of a copy, that would be good.
[15:37] <rick_h_> abentley: yea, I don't think we'd lose anything. Will do.
[17:44] <gmb> Ursinha, czajkowski said you were looking for me.
[17:44] <Ursinha> gmb, yeah, I have a lot of questions about launchpad code... but will enter a session in a few minutes :/
[17:49] <gmb> Ursinha, Okay, let's try and catch up later on then. Some time after lunch if you're free.
[18:30] <lifeless> morning
[18:30] <lifeless> allenap: hi
[18:33] <lifeless> sinzui: \o/ \o/
[18:33] <sinzui> lifeless, I am glad you are happy
[18:38] <lifeless> sinzui: contact-this-team
[18:38] <sinzui> I was sure you were tracking that
[18:39] <lifeless> :)
[18:40] <czajkowski> sinzui: nice blog post have posted in all the places.
[18:40] <lifeless> I'm sure we'll still get admins of casual 'groups' making the same mistake, but hopefully at a much lower incident rate
[18:40] <sinzui> I wish I could have solved the Cc sender issue too, but the the objects need restructuring. I reverted aft 3 hours so that I could get your bug fixed
[18:40] <czajkowski> nods I know tis fine
[18:40] <lifeless> sinzui: thats a shame
[18:41] <sinzui> yes. barry and I over-specialised the recipient set object. I need to make it behave more like a normal object.
[19:33] <allenap> lifeless: Hi there.
[19:34] <lifeless> allenap: hi, if you'd like some voice time, I'd be delighted to do so.
[19:34] <allenap> lifeless: Cool, that sounds good. I've just seen your reply, so I'll read that.
[19:37] <lifeless> allenap: skype ?
[19:41] <allenap> lifeless: Is G+ okay? I don't have Skype installed right now.
[19:41] <lifeless> tis fine
[19:42] <lifeless> it has nearly as good echo cancellation
[19:42] <lifeless> which is, for high latency, esssssential
[19:43] <allenap> lifeless: Okay, invited.
[20:01] <rick_h_> lifeless: ping, when you get a sec
[20:48] <lifeless> rick_h_: pong; afk for a sec, but write here and I'll reply in a few
[20:48] <rick_h_> lifeless: working on wrapping the ga.js code into a YUI module so I can combo load it and drop the request/icing/etc.
[20:49] <rick_h_> lifeless: in code review, dealing with the copyright notice stuff came up and trying to figure out how to handle documenting the "This is a LP YUI module, all this code inside here is Copyright Google" as it is now
[20:49] <gmb> czajkowski, about?
[20:49] <rick_h_> lifeless: so came up to ping legal on it and legal is asking me " How do we get permission from Google to modify and redistribute their code?" and can't find anything atm
[20:50] <rick_h_> lifeless: think you were involved and wondered if you 1) know how to handle it or 2) know the info I can give legal about how we got/get permission from google to mod/distribute the ga.js script
[20:50] <rick_h_> lifeless: see https://code.launchpad.net/~rharding/launchpad/ga_combo
[20:53] <lifeless> interesting
[20:53]  * lifeless runs screaming
[20:54] <rick_h_> lifeless: so in particular looking at lib/lp/app/javascript/google-analytics/google-analytics.js commenting
[20:54]  * rick_h_ is waiting for bzr.lp.net to finish thinking
[20:54] <rick_h_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rharding/launchpad/ga_combo/view/head:/lib/lp/app/javascript/google-analytics/google-analytics.js
[21:00] <lifeless> rick_h_:
[21:00] <lifeless> http://support.google.com/analytics/bin/answer.py?hl=en-GB&answer=1032389
[21:00] <lifeless> I believe flacoste checked with Google when we first put it in the tree
[21:01] <rick_h_> lifeless: rgr, I understood there was some conversation but wasn't sure if it was you someone else and didn't find any reference in the docs/code
[21:01] <lifeless> rick_h_: so why do you need to convert it to yui ? is it a combo loader limitation ?
[21:01] <czajkowski> gmb: looking for me ?
[21:02] <lifeless> rick_h_: or is it because you're going to batch it with all the other modules needed? Could we not not do that and just reference that one file via a combo loader url ?
[21:02] <rick_h_> lifeless: well, it was blocking/hanging when I was doing combo loader testing. If I make it a YUI module I can combo load it in the same request with the other JS on every page
[21:02] <lifeless> rick_h_: keeping the unaltered google file and unaltered async-loading snippet from google
[21:02] <lifeless> that would keep the delta lower too
[21:02] <rick_h_> so it's benifit of -1 request per page done, and servied via our combo loader removing one more thing in icing
[21:02] <lifeless> http://support.google.com/analytics/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1008080
[21:02] <lifeless> - goes in the end of <head>
[21:03] <lifeless> you can serve via the combo loader just by using a combo loader url
[21:03] <lifeless> so its solely -1 request, per the very first page they land on
[21:04] <lifeless> rick_h_: or am I misunderstanding something about combo loader internals ?
[21:04] <rick_h_> lifeless: well in order for YUI to know how to request it from the combo loader we parse the YUI modules (make jsbuild) and it's listed
[21:04] <rick_h_> lifeless: but we could manually muck with/modify that I think
[21:04] <lifeless> rick_h_: nono, *not* yui
[21:04] <rick_h_> right, I gotcha
[21:04] <lifeless> if we use http://support.google.com/analytics/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1008080
[21:04] <lifeless> which we probably do today
[21:05] <lifeless> and replace the url in it with one pointing at the combo loader
[21:05] <lifeless> we'll get back unaltered content.
[21:05] <lifeless> right ?
[21:05] <rick_h_> yes
[21:05] <lifeless> so just moving the url - trivial. No delta vs google's authoratitive copy.
[21:05] <lifeless> and still async, nonblocking on the page.
[21:06] <rick_h_> ok, so we can work with the async version, our old one just wasn't using that one?
[21:06] <lifeless> I don't know, you're the one doing the debugging :)
[21:06] <rick_h_> k, I'll pull down and compare tomorrow
[21:06] <lifeless> rick_h_: I gotta run, TL meeting; will pick this up after that.
[21:06] <rick_h_> rgr
[21:06] <lifeless> if we're blocking today, I'd say keep blocking, do the minimal work
[21:07] <lifeless> move the url to the combo loader, add a bug saying we should be async, move on :)
[21:23] <rick_h_> jcsackett: hey, have you been testing out/using the auto reloader for the JS?
[21:24]  * rick_h_ is curious
[21:28] <jcsackett> rick_h_: i have not.
[21:28] <jcsackett> how does one use that?
[21:29] <rick_h_> make jsbuild_watch
[21:29] <rick_h_> then just edit the js files and on save it'll auto jsbuild them
[21:29] <jcsackett> i will have to check that out.
[21:29] <rick_h_> that's the idea at least
[21:29] <jcsackett> that would make somethings *way* easier.
[21:30] <rick_h_> yea, I got wondering, I've not done a ton of JS since adding it, but seems you are
[21:30] <jcsackett> and the more i do, the more it seems i need to do. :-P
[21:30] <rick_h_> ruh roh
[21:30] <jcsackett> ah, the life of cleaning up old bad code.
[21:30] <jcsackett> :-P
[21:30] <rick_h_> that's the truth
[21:30] <rick_h_> give it a try next time and let me know if you hit issues
[21:30] <jcsackett> so, by "next time" you mean tomorrow? :-P
[21:31] <rick_h_> :)
[21:31] <rick_h_> I didn't want to presume
[21:31] <rick_h_> just deeper than you thuoght it was or issues you're hitting?
[21:31] <jcsackett> more things making use of it than i thought.
[21:31] <rick_h_> going to be hacking at the coffee house tonight if you need a second set of eyes on anything
[21:31]  * jcsackett nods.
[21:31] <rick_h_> ah, gotcha k
[21:32] <jcsackett> quick thought? know any reason that a BuiltClass from Y.Base.create might barf when it's constructor.NAME is grabbed?
[21:32] <jcsackett> in that, it's constructor has no .NAME.
[21:32] <rick_h_> yea, you didn't create the formal constructor. You'd have to inspect it and try to see if it even has a NAME property
[21:33] <rick_h_> I think you'd have to get it from your instance?
[21:33] <jcsackett> hm. wonder why Banner was fine but something derived from Banner dies ...
[21:33] <rick_h_> not sure, honestly, never used the NAME bit :/
[21:33] <jcsackett> i'm not either, YUI throws the error.
[21:33] <jcsackett> i'll keep poking.
[21:33] <rick_h_> well that NAME should change to the Base.create('ISNAME'... right?
[21:33] <rick_h_> make sure your requires is correct
[21:33] <rick_h_> the error I got today on that was waaay out of left field
[21:34] <jcsackett> already checked requires. would that it was that easy.
[21:34] <jcsackett> i'll keep poking. :-)
[21:34] <rick_h_> k
[21:38] <cjwatson> I forgot to add a COMMENT in db-devel r11582.  I guess since stub didn't comment on that during review it's not the end of the world; but is there anything I should do?
[21:38] <cjwatson> As in is it worth landing a follow-up commit?
[21:38] <jcsackett> rick_h_: just realized. no `new` call. :-P
[21:38] <jcsackett> it's always the little things.
[21:38] <rick_h_> jcsackett: ah, yea that one bites me all the time. I've learned that error hard core
[22:00] <sinzui> wallyworld, how goes the morning? What is your preferred means of voice today?
[22:03] <sinzui> jcsackett, mumble?
[22:03] <jcsackett> sinzui: yup. signing on.
[22:04] <sinzui> wallyworld, wgrant_ look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/702429
[22:04] <_mup_> Bug #702429: Pillar owners and private non-security bug visibility <bugs> <disclosure> <qa-ok> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by wallyworld> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/702429 >
[22:05] <wgrant_> cjwatson: Not really, but you can if you want.
[22:09] <lifeless> cjwatson: it is worth it, jfdi it, and it can land on devel
[22:09] <lifeless> the comments are only used for dev machines anyhow
[22:18] <jcsackett> damn thunderstorms...
[23:53] <StevenK> wallyworld_: wgrant_ is stealing your thing!
[23:54]  * wallyworld_ wants it back


[13:40] <ahasenack> hi guys, does anyone know if {debupstream} in a launchpad/bzr recipe take into account the epoch? I have something like 1:0.4.0-0ubuntu1 in the changelog
[13:42] <ahasenack> the documentation is lacking in that regard
[13:42] <czajkowski> mgz: ^^ any idea?
[13:43] <ahasenack> it feels like it doesn't take the epoch
[13:45] <mgz> er, it uses the debian changelog stuff, so it should implement policy correctly if they do
[13:45] <mgz> what specifically is the problem?
[13:45] <james_w> ahasenack, it does not
[13:46] <james_w>         # Should we include the epoch?
[13:46] <james_w>         return self._version.upstream_version
[13:46] <mgz> explictly not james_w or incidentally?
[13:46] <mgz> ah.
[13:48] <jelmer> ahasenack: I'm pretty sure it doesn't include the epoch
[13:56] <ahasenack> james_w: jelmer: ok, thanks
[13:56] <ahasenack> ok, so I need to add it explicitly to the recipe
[18:51] <arges> Hi. Is there a currently known bug such that I can't access private projects via the web API? I'm not even getting a prompt to log in.
[18:54] <arges> nevermind user error


[02:00] <guiverc> Bashing-om, read thru complete. no comments
[02:01] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Good deal - Our senior editor has reservations about "draft release notes" inclided - thoughts ? >> "< krytarik> We can wait for more opinions on that one.".
[02:01] <Bashing-om> included*
[02:02] <guiverc> as in nothing stood out.. the draft.release.notes grabbed me when I saw in gdoc, which influenced how I wrote summary (amended .. more details added.. as they become firm) and no longer does.   I'm okay with it's removal (it was mostly a blank doc), but I was hoping for more freeze notice & took that as the 'freeze' notice so am okay with it
[02:03] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: ^^ your take ?
[02:03] <guiverc> freeze; ie. UI freeze notice; but wasn't touched on by anything I read
[02:46] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I just got done working and I am sick so I can not think well enough to read it through
[02:52] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: :( regreats - hope a nights rest puts things to right.
[02:53] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I do not think it will I got exposed to mold for a few days and that caused a sinus infection that is trying to turn into bronchitis, I cant rest enough to get well
[02:54] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Sound like a hot toody will do you good.
[02:55] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, yes I think it would, I can barely talk
[02:56] <guiverc> go rest up Wild_Man ... sleep well
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[19:37] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" log checked, no further edits are known. Time to push 20:00 UTC :D
[19:59] <Bashing-om> UWN: ubuntu-news@lists is away - doing the Forum post next :D
[20:33] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forum posted - abrdiged Update sections; doing the re-directs next.
[20:43] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs done - pending is release to the Social Medias :D
[21:44] <guiverc> Bashing-om, okay to push #675 to fridge?
[21:51] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yup - no issues seen - push to the Fridge and others too :)
[21:52] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/03/22/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-675/
[21:52] <guiverc> tweeted 675
[21:54] <Bashing-om> Fridge: spot check checkds as good :D
[21:54] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Clear now to wipe Gdoc ?
[21:54] <guiverc> yep
[21:54] <Bashing-om> whipping.
[22:00] <guiverc> fb posted
[22:02] <Bashing-om> \o/ ^ .... We now do issue 676 :D
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