[17:19] <tomreyn> grubissue: some parts about uefi are not well specified, and others are not always implemented as specified.
[17:19] <grubissue> better than the raspi that i was using before
[17:20] <tomreyn> hehe
[17:20] <grubissue> couldnt have more than 6 tabs open in that before it froze
[17:20] <tomreyn> a bug report would still be nice, if you can sum it up.
[17:21] <tomreyn> but you'd need to point out it's likely hardware / firmware specific
[17:21] <grubissue> tomreyn will see what i do. have to eat a bit first
[17:22] <grubissue> dunno what pkg to file the bug against
[17:22] <grubissue> what do you suggest?
[17:22] <Catzzye> journalctl -b | grep nvme
[17:22] <tomreyn> grubissue: i'd say efibootmgr
[17:23] <tomreyn> grubissue: it's what update-grub calls and whatreports the I/O issue
[17:23] <grubissue> okay will look into it later
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> !pastebin | Catzzye
[17:23] <tomreyn> grubissue: see lines 3 and 4 at https://termbin.com/mr52
[17:23] <Catzzye2> tomreyn: I got a lot of messages, but they dont sound very positibe
[17:24] <Catzzye2> positive
 Catzzye: tis would be an error:   nvme nvme0: I/O
[17:24] <grubissue> tomreyn do you still have the termbin url handy that had the weird 0000 boot order?
[17:24] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: does it report this?
[17:24] <grubissue> i lost the irc history over reboots
[17:25] <Catzzye2> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BrTNfpNwbP/
[17:25] <tomreyn> grubissue: https://termbin.com/xkc0
[17:25] <grubissue> what was the command again to produce that?
[17:25] <tomreyn> grubissue: there's also a channel log (but delaed by ~ 30 min or an hour), see /topic
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> grubissue: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2019/04/19/%23ubuntu.html
[17:25] <tomreyn> grubissue: efibootmgr
[17:26] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: yes this looks just like before
[17:26] <grubissue> tomreyn tnx
[17:26] <Catzzye2> tomreyn: well yikes
[17:26] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: so unless those acpi issues trigger this, i 'd say this storage is done.
[17:26] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: you can try examining this stoage more using the "nvme" (CLI) utilities
[17:27] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: but chances are it will just timeout again
[17:28] <Catzzye2> well, might as well try
[17:28] <grubissue> okay afk for some soup eatin
[17:28] <Catzzye2> how do I go around doing that
[17:28] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: do you actually reboot, or just suspend/resume ?
[17:28] <Catzzye2> have a nice meal grubissue
[17:28] <Catzzye2> tomreyn: The Ubuntu? I just booted back to it from flash
[17:29] <DuckyDev> :wq
[17:29] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: so a full reboot, you'Re saying, right?
[17:29] <myself> So, an old Windows reflex surfaced and I accidentally hit Alt-F4. Of course, a new console pops up. Alt-F1 takes me back to my GUI session easily enough, but now when I use Win+rightarrow to try to shove a window into the right half of the screen, I instead end up over on this other terminal. How do I make it go away?
[17:30] <Catzzye2> I think so? tomreyn
[17:30] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: i.e. you either chose the option to shutdown / powerdown, or the option to reboot, from the menu. not the option to "pause"
[17:30] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: i'm asking because suspend could cause these issues.
[17:30] <Catzzye2> I mean when I was taking it apart I choose shutdown
[17:31] <Catzzye2> And it shutted down completely
[17:31] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: okay, that's good enough.
[17:31] <Catzzye2> And I booted back from Boot menu and it took a couple minutes to load, meaning its most likely full
[17:31] <OerHeks> myself, there is a solution, moment..
[17:32] <myself> OerHeks: Thanks :) I know I could just reboot, but that wouldn't actually teach me anything...
[17:32] <Catzzye2> did you say there is something else to try out?
[17:32] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: actually, there may be a firmware update for the nvme you could install. let me check this.
[17:32] <OerHeks> myself, sudo kbd_mode -s # https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/467503
[17:33] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: the other thing i said you could try is this (windows only) firmware upgrade: https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/omen-by-hp-15-ce000-laptop-pc/15551437
[17:33] <tomreyn> actually this https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/swdetails/omen-by-hp-15-ce000-laptop-pc/15551437/swItemId/ob-221294-1
[17:33] <OerHeks> i believe it is persistent.
[17:33] <myself> OerHeks: Thanks, that did the trick!
[17:34] <Catzzye2> Windows only yikes
[17:35] <OerHeks> myself, have fun!
[17:38] <martind_> hello gus
[17:38] <martind_> I have a strange problem with my ubuntu related to the memory
[17:38] <Catzzye2> why do M.2 even need updates haha
[17:38] <martind_> i have 2Gigs of RAM and sometimes, when the apps eat almost all of it (95%) ubuntu freezes
[17:38] <ikanobori> That's not very strange.
[17:38] <martind_> how can I easily open task manager and kill whatever is eating it
[17:39] <amirite> hey guys, i just installed elementary OS (debian based) and I can't get X to start or even configure it. The first error I see in Xorg.0.log is '(EE) Failed to load module "ati" (module does not exist, 0)'. I can't figure out where the configure lives that is trying to load this module. It's not matched by grepping recursively in /etc/X11 or in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[17:39] <lotuspsychje_> martind_: your ubuntu version please?
[17:39] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: one of the ACPIU errors seems to refer to the nvme. i think a mainboard firmware (uefi) upgrade makes a lot of sense.
[17:39] <martind_> Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS
[17:39] <leftyfb> !elementary | martind_
[17:39] <tomreyn> !ot | amirite
[17:39] <leftyfb> oops
[17:39] <leftyfb> !elementary | amirite
[17:40] <lotuspsychje_> martind_: ubuntu-desktop with gnome?
[17:40] <amirite> :(
[17:40] <amirite> so I have to install ubuntu to figure this out?
[17:40] <leftyfb> amirite: type /join #elementary and ask for help there
[17:41] <lotuspsychje_> amirite: when you install ubuntu, you can get support here for ubuntu
[17:41] <tomreyn> amirite: you are welcome to ask for support in #ubuntu when you run ubuntu. makes sense, eh? ;-)
[17:41] <martind_> lotuspsychje_: yes
[17:42] <lotuspsychje_> martind_: 2GB ram for gnome3 is a bit low im affraid
[17:42] <lotuspsychje_> martind_: you might wanna try out other !flavors for your computer
[17:42] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: i can't tell what your NVMe model is from your log (it doesn't get that far), so can't tell whether there may be firmware upgrades available for it.
[17:43] <lotuspsychje_> martind_: unless you really wanna tweak to the max
[17:43] <OerHeks> fwupdate ..?
[17:44] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: but if you'll have to reinstall windows to be able to upgrade your mainboard firmware, you may want to re-use this 'opportunity' to also install the NVMe vendors' upgrade utility and check whether an NVMe upgrade si available.
[17:44] <martind_> my Motherboard support up to 4GB
[17:44] <martind_> if I upgrade ... will that be enough though?
[17:44] <lotuspsychje_> martind_: do you have an ssd or mechanical hd?
[17:44] <martind_> ssd - 120GB
[17:44] <martind_> runs like hell
[17:44] <lotuspsychje_> Matrix8967[m]: upgrade what to what?
[17:44] <martind_> until i reaches 95% memory
[17:44] <lotuspsychje_> martind_: ^
[17:44] <martind_> then it stucks for like a minute
[17:45] <Catzzye2> okay so if its not a problem for you to check I found a box
[17:45] <martind_> AMD® Phenom(tm) 9750 quad-core processor × 4
[17:45] <tomreyn> OerHeks: HP laptop, Insyde UEFI.
[17:45] <Catzzye2> it says PCIe SSD 110s, Gen 3 x4, 128GB tomreyn
[17:45] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: what doe you mean?
[17:45] <tomreyn> oh
[17:46] <Matrix8967[m]> ???
[17:46] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: no vendor?
[17:46] <lotuspsychje_> Matrix8967[m]: sorry, typo
[17:46] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: or brand
[17:46] <Catzzye2> vendor is Transcend
[17:46] <Matrix8967[m]> Ohh, haha, np.
[17:46]  * Matrix8967[m] resumes lurking
[17:46] <lotuspsychje_> !flavors | martind_
[17:47] <lotuspsychje_> martind_: just not kubuntu
[17:47] <martind_> lotuspsychje_: Yes, I ended with Unbuntu after trying few others
[17:47] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: https://www.transcend-info.com/Support/No-953
[17:47] <martind_> but ... will 4GB be enough ?
[17:47] <qualcuno> 萌
[17:48] <mike802> you don't understand the words you're typing
[17:48] <OerHeks> 4 gb would be minimum for 64bit, in my opinion
[17:48] <lotuspsychje_> martind_: 4g ram will work on gnome3 yeah, reccomended 8gb+
[17:48] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: the pre-selected Part Number on the top right should be correct.
[17:49] <mike802> have you ever used ANY computer before?  how does ram work on windows?
[17:49] <lotuspsychje_> !who | mike802
[17:49] <mike802> :)
[17:49] <mike802> np
[17:50] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: "SSD Scope" is the utility you 'd need
[17:50] <Catzzye2> yeah... but its Windows only again
[17:51] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: also note this https://www.transcend-info.com/Support/FAQ-1206
[17:51] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: and this https://www.transcend-info.com/Support/FAQ-1202
[17:52] <Catzzye2> oh god did I buy the wrong one
[17:52] <Loeb> I've gone and botched something in the kernel and now the "nvidia" driver is grabbing my secondary card instead of "vfio-pci" again. I don't know how exactly I fixed this before and all of those changes are still in place, so I'm at a loss.
[17:53] <Catzzye2> windows updates are the most evil thing, they always screw something up
[17:53] <Catzzye2> oh Goddd I bought the wrong oneeee
[17:53] <Catzzye2> the chips are facing downwards
[17:53] <lotuspsychje_> Loeb: you did what with kernel on wich ubuntu version?
[17:54] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: oops
[17:54] <Loeb> Went from 4.18 to 5.0 on dist upgrade from 18.10 to 1.04 lotuspsychje
[17:54] <Loeb> 19.04*
[17:54] <Catzzye2> are they not supposed to face downward
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> Loeb: pastebin: sudo lshw -C video please?
[17:55] <Catzzye2> they are facing the internal components
[17:55] <Catzzye2> I can take a picture
[17:55] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: i woupd not know, you really need to check these images on that FAQ and compare the connectors to your board. note that you have 2 lanes next to the notch on the one platform, 3 on the other. You can also ask for help with this in ##hardware
[17:56] <Loeb> lotuspsychje, nvidia 750ti and 950, both with the config line "driver=nvidia latency=0" IRC is on a different computer from the one being worked on so it's a pain to get text from here to there.
[17:56] <Loeb> Both have physical id: 0, curiously.
[17:57] <Catzzye2> B and M design are identical
[17:57] <Catzzye2> one is just flipped
[17:57] <Catzzye2> uhh this sucks hahaha
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> Loeb: you recall wich drivers you installed? stock ubuntu or ppa?
[17:57] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: you're right, and i was wrong about the lanes
[17:57] <Loeb> lotuspsychje, stock ubuntu.
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> Loeb: could you check: ubuntu-drivers list
[17:58] <Loeb> They got uninstalled/reinstalled a LOT when I was fixing this last week. When I switched to 418 everything started working.
[17:58] <Catzzye2> but what if it isnt just flipped
[17:58] <user_> JFHJAHJGÄS
[17:58] <Catzzye2> but why would it work in the first place
[17:58] <tomreyn> user_: please don't spam, thanks.
[17:59] <Loeb> lotuspsychje, that command returns nvidia-340, nvidia-driver-390, and nvidia-driver-418. Does that mean that those are installed? Or just available.
[17:59] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: i'm not qualified to help you figuring this out, and you'll best be served on a support forum for hardware. we support an operating system here only
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> Loeb: it means the drivers available for your card
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> Loeb: maybe try the 390 and reboot, see if that can fix things
[18:00] <Catzzye2> right, thanks tomreyn
[18:00] <Loeb> lotuspsychje, I could try that again, the conclusion I came to last time was 390 wasn't supported on the newer (4.18 at the time) kernel.
[18:00] <user_> H
[18:00] <mike802> :)
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> Loeb: we can test
[18:01] <user_> PENIS GEWEHR FICKT CHIARA IM DOGGY STYLE BIS DER ARSCH BLUTET
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> !ops | user_ spam
[18:02] <user_> LDFJKJFGJHFGKJKCJVBKHGBKJFVBKGHJBVKFBVaeipi> user__: dat klingt ziemlisch dütschaeipi> user__: dat klingt ziemlisch dütschaeipi> user__: dat klingt ziemlisch dütschaeipi> user__: dat klingt ziemlisch dütschaeipi> user__: dat klingt ziemlisch dütschaeipi> user__: dat klingt ziemlisch dütschaeipi> user__: dat klingt ziemlisch dütschNHFJGNJKJBGVFBKLJJHGFBJKF
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[18:02] <user_> LFPENIS PENIS PENIS
[18:02] <Loeb> feels like december 26
[18:02] <Catzzye2> lol why do they even troll in the most useless place
[18:02] <Catzzye2> out of all the places why harass the support channel
[18:03] <OerHeks> Catzzye2, let go, ops will handle it
[18:03] <Catzzye2> its just stupid and unneccesary but yeah
[18:03] <user_>   NÖH ÖH SEX
[18:03] <user_> OH IM GUCCI LUTSCHI
[18:04] <Catzzye2> I must be invited to #hardware apperantly, not sure what that means tomreyn
[18:04] <leftyfb> !op | user_
[18:04] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: it's ##hardware
[18:04] <user_> TGIZZUGFR←Ŧ←ĐŦŊ€←↓{ŊB Æ7Z6G< …←–′CGV
[18:05] <user_> R9805U68XU689U450896U3894I2O981O21
[18:05] <leftyfb> user_: please leave
[18:05] <Catzzye2> Thanks
[18:05] <leftyfb> user_: feel free to join #ubuntu-ops if you need help trolling
[18:05] <user_> WERbistdu
[18:05] <Loeb> lotuspsychje, well 390 seems to have worked in that the driver loaded on boot (unless 418 stuck around?) but it's still sticking on both cards
[18:05] <user_> dreine murt
[18:05] <Loeb> I just realized I haven't been using --purge so lemme run that real quick
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> Loeb: what do you mean with 'sticking' on both cards?
[18:06] <user_> deine mutter fickt 20 stunden pro tag
[18:06] <user_> haltsmaul du hurr
[18:06] <Loeb> lotuspsychje, lspci -nnk returns the "nvidia" driver being loaded on the 950 (secondary card, not being used on the desktop) as well as the 750 ti (primary card, being used to drive displays)
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> Loeb: does your bios have settings to prefer a card?
[18:06] <leftyfb> user_: bitte geh
[18:07] <M_aD> user_: learn to speak proper German since our not even able to and stop trolling
[18:07] <M_aD> our/your
[18:09] <Annexation> is it generally a bad idea to dual boot with ubuntu?
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> Annexation: the users choice
[18:09] <Annexation> or is it best to have a dedicated machine for ubuntu
[18:09] <OerHeks> Annexation, it is oke. and tested.
[18:09] <Loeb> Annexation, dual booting is usually fine, though if you just want a test drive you can run the OS from a USB drive without making any changes to your hard disk.
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[18:11] <Loeb> I want to say what licked it last time was moving the "vfio-pci ids=" list of devices for the vfio-pci driver to grab into modprobe.d instead of the grub command line
[18:12] <Loeb> that's obviously still in place
[18:12] <Loeb> I feel like this is just some weird race condition during boot
[18:13] <SomeT> in ubuntu server I have the following active screen, in screen: https://i.gyazo.com/1db666e2bd97073d88183f0bad64c52b.png its running in the background and I want to stop it, how do I switch back to it?
[18:13] <user_> shd
[18:13] <user_> dhf
[18:13] <user_> hfd
[18:13] <user_> uhj5
[18:13] <user_> f54
[18:13] <user_> 59
[18:13] <SomeT> uh?
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> come join to #ubuntu-server please SomeT
[18:13] <SomeT> I did already ;)
[18:13] <SomeT> I put in many channels to see which is most responsive
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> !crosspost | SomeT
[18:14] <leftyfb> SomeT: screen -d -r 1440.pts-0
[18:14] <SomeT> I know its frowned upon to do this, but last month it took 3 months of waiting to get a response and that was only because I nudged on a different irc server
[18:14] <user_> 564,
[18:14] <SomeT> thanks
[18:14] <user_> 44545,56,
[18:14] <user_> ,,
[18:14] <user_> ,
[18:14] <user_> ,
[18:14] <user_> ,
[18:14] <Loeb> maybe they'll get k-lined later
[18:14] <mike802> hopefully
[18:15] <mike802> this isn't a couple's get-away
[18:15] <Loeb> lotuspsychje, so remove and went to 390, and then remove --purge and went back to 418. Still no change.
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> mike802: please keep comments for offtopic channel
[18:15] <jcotton> what is the OT channel?
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> !ot | jcotton
[18:15] <jcotton> thank
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> !discuss > jcotton also
[18:16] <Loeb> man that heavy bot use never gets any less abrasive -.-
[18:16] <jcotton> automation is a harsh mistress
[18:16] <SomeT> leftyb: I tried what you mentioned, but it did not work
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> Loeb jcotton keep comments out of the support channel please
[18:17] <jcotton> alright
[18:17] <SomeT> leftyb: Attaching from inside of screen?
[18:17] <SomeT> thats what it comes up with
[18:17] <SomeT> when I type what you advised?
[18:17] <SomeT> *-?
[18:17] <leftyfb> SomeT: close your terminal first, then run it
[18:17] <leftyfb> in a new terminal
[18:17] <SomeT> ah
[18:18] <SomeT> now I see
[18:18] <SomeT> thanks
[18:18] <SomeT> how do I get rid of a screen completely?
[18:18] <Loeb> screen -ls will give you the procss id number, and you can just kill that
[18:18] <leftyfb> SomeT: why do you need to remove it? Just don't run it if you don't want to use it
[18:18] <Loeb> or attach to the screen and kill it
[18:19] <leftyfb> SomeT: sudo apt remove screen
[18:19] <jcotton> he said a screen
[18:19] <jcotton> so not thee screen program
[18:19] <SomeT> I got rid of it by accident anyway
[18:19] <SomeT> so no worries
[18:20] <leftyfb> SomeT: to exit out of screen and not leave it running, just type exit
[18:25] <SomeT> thanks
[18:28] <SomeT> how do I kill this process completely? I am about 99.9% certain the binary is terminated but the port is still in use?: 2019/04/19 18:28:01 listen tcp :80: bind: address already in use
[18:29] <leftyfb> SomeT: sudo lsof -i :80
[18:29] <leftyfb> to see what's using it
[18:30] <SomeT> https://hastebin.com/iyafoluxul.apache
[18:30] <SomeT> this
[18:31] <SomeT> I tried to do `kill 1940`
[18:31] <SomeT> but I still get same error
[18:31] <leftyfb> SomeT: sudo kill-9 1940
[18:31] <leftyfb> SomeT: or stop it properly
[18:31] <SomeT> `sudo: kill-9: command not found`
[18:31] <SomeT> how do I stop it properly
[18:32] <leftyfb> SomeT: I'm not familiar with any "backend" application. I  assume a systemd service
[18:32] <SomeT> nah its a webserver I written in golang
[18:33] <leftyfb> SomeT: ok, so unless you wrote it properly and/or wrote a systemd unit, you'll just need to kill the PID
[18:33] <SomeT> I tried to kill PID
[18:33] <SomeT> the command dont exist your method
[18:33] <SomeT> if I just type kill nothing happens
[18:33] <cryptodan> SomeT: its "sudo kill -9 1940"
[18:34] <SomeT> yay that worked
[18:34] <SomeT> thought there might have been a space
[18:34] <Brainiack> anyone know how to add a button to ubuntu taskbar name the button and then have it launch a bash script once pressed
[18:34] <SomeT> was going to try
[18:34] <SomeT> symlink possibly, but thats coming from unix / mac os x
[18:34] <lighthunter> hello; i have just updated to Ubuntu 19.04 from 18.10 on my laptop that has an NVIDIA graphics card, and now I can no longer connect to my external monitor via HDMI. happy to provide further details as requested. i have tried switching back from gdm3 to lightdm since that was a crucial step when i faced the same bug on Ubuntu 18.04. i have also ensured that Wayland is disabled in
[18:34] <lighthunter>  /etc/gdm3/custom.conf since that was also a crucial step when facing this bug on Ubuntu 18.04.
[18:35] <tomreyn> Brainiack: you will want to provide your ubuntu version and desktop environment / ubuntu flavour when asking questions specific to it.
[18:35] <Brainiack> 4.18.0-17-generic
[18:35] <Brainiack> tomreyn ==>4.18.0-17-generic
[18:36] <Brainiack>  4.18.0-17-generic #18~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 15 15:27:12 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:36] <pizza_guy> hello
[18:37] <pizza_guy> I want to ask about docker and prometheus, is that possible to monitor an app inside the docker container and expose it to the prometheus?
[18:37] <SomeT> whats prometheus?
[18:37] <pizza_guy> https://prometheus.io/
[18:38] <SomeT> yeah it should be
[18:38] <pizza_guy> how?
[18:38] <SomeT> try #prometheus
[18:38] <SomeT> ;)
[18:38] <pizza_guy> ah, thanks in advance
[18:38] <SomeT> np
[18:38] <SomeT> not to keen on docker myself, to many flaws right now
[18:39] <jje> ccccccjfkvhldbicdlnlditcnjehheveflirviujcgke
[18:39] <jje> ccccccjfkvhleldbvvieklnljirkbvhrkfcbvjdnhndl
[18:39] <jje> sorry
[18:40] <SomeT> whats wrong with you man?
[18:40] <SomeT> are you ok?
[18:41] <benharri> yubikey
[18:49] <SomeT> how do I set my time to daylight savings on ubuntu server?
[18:49] <SomeT> its currently one hour behind
[18:49] <cryptodan> SomeT: sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata"
[18:51] <jojero> Hi! Anyone can help me installing powerline on ubuntu 18.04? I restart already but the powerline still not activated
[18:52] <tomreyn> jojero: powerline, as in a software? or an ethernet connection?
[18:52] <KWhat4> Hi, I cant seem to find a package for reptyr
[18:53] <leftyfb> KWhat4: what version of ubuntu?
[18:53] <KWhat4> 18.04
[18:53] <SomeT> thanks that worked perfectly
[18:53] <leftyfb> KWhat4: sudo add-apt-repository && sudo apt update   # then install it
[18:54] <Loeb> How do I force the vfio_pci module to load before the nvidia module during boot?
[18:54] <KWhat4> leftyfb: Which repo?  I've already added universe...
[18:54] <leftyfb> KWhat4: it's part of the universe repo. If you're not seeing it, you have other issues. pastebin the output of: sudo apt update ; apt-cache policy reptyr
[18:56] <jojero> tomreyn software
[18:56] <Fah> jojero: assuming you have the addon manager installed just do " vim-addon-manager  install powerline"
[18:56] <jojero> I manage to hit the right loc now its showing but I cant see the branching for github
[18:56] <tomreyn> !info powerline
[18:56] <tomreyn> jojero: sudo apt update && sudp aop install powerline
[18:56] <leftyfb> jojero: I would read up on the documentation for powerline
[18:57] <tomreyn> jojero: sudo apt update && sudp apt install powerline
[18:57] <leftyfb> tomreyn: it's already installed
[18:57] <leftyfb> tomreyn: they don't know how to use it
[18:57] <tomreyn> leftyfb: how do you know?
[18:57] <leftyfb> "I restart already but the powerline still not activated"
[18:57] <mia> Hello channel
[18:57] <SomeT> hi
[18:58] <SomeT> what do you want?
[18:58] <mia> I'd like to know if it's possible to disable the curtain slide effect in ubuntu 18.04
[18:58] <tomreyn> leftyfb: i see
[18:58] <mia> I wasn't unable to find anything solid online
[18:58] <SomeT> is this ubuntu desktop?
[18:58] <jojero> tomreyn I install using pip is that okay?
[18:58] <mia> there seems to be an old extension, that does not seem to work with 18.04 LTS
[18:58] <jojero> leftyfb wait im gonna send imgur screenshots
[18:58] <leftyfb> mia: http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2018/03/disable-gnome-shell-animation-on-ubuntu-1710-and-1804.html
[18:58] <SomeT> https://askubuntu.com/questions/967842/how-to-remove-phone-style-gnome-swipe-to-unlock
[18:58] <SomeT> mia
[18:59] <mia> SomeT, this does not seem to work with 18.04
[18:59] <mia> even though it says, it does
[18:59] <KWhat4> leftyfb: http://dpaste.com/2THXXRY
[18:59] <tomreyn> jojero: not strictly wrong, but we only support apt installations here normally.
[18:59] <leftyfb> mia: please see my link
[18:59] <tomreyn> + snaps
[18:59] <mia> leftyfb, checking
[18:59] <leftyfb> tomreyn: powerline is a package
[19:00] <tomreyn> leftyfb: i'm aware, why do you say so?
[19:00] <leftyfb> KWhat4: you're running ubuntu-ports(I assume ARM?). That package might not be available for your architecture
[19:00] <mia> leftyfb, oh, my earlier question: disable animations?
[19:00] <mia> is this an answer for that?
[19:00] <leftyfb> mia: yes
[19:00] <mia> I think I sort of figured out a way to disable the animations only for window resizing -- that's what I was looking for
[19:00] <mia> still thank you for sending me this, I really appreciate it! and I'm quite surprised that you remember this!
[19:00] <KWhat4> leftyfb: ah that would explain it
[19:01] <KWhat4> yes this is arm
[19:01] <leftyfb> mia: I didn't. I googled for "Ubuntu 18.04 disable effects"
[19:01] <mia> so, need a way to disable this curtain thing in the lock screen
[19:01] <mia> the swipe thing
[19:02] <mia> whatever it's called..
[19:02] <leftyfb> mia: you know you can just hit enter or start typing your password right?
[19:02] <mia> oh! let me try!
[19:02] <mia> OH WOW
[19:03] <mia> thanks leftyfb
[19:03] <mia> I'm new to all this and the visual language of this does not communicate with me perfectly
[19:03] <mia> so thanks for this manual guidance
[19:03] <mia> :)
[19:04] <jojero> tomreyn I can only see directory listing in powerline, I can't see the branch. :(
[19:04]  * SomeT thinks this is most friendly socially intelligent person to ever enter IRC lol
[19:05] <leftyfb> jojero: https://powerline.readthedocs.io/en/latest/   Please read the documentation on how to use powerline
[19:05] <tomreyn> jojero: i can't guide you on using this software, do not know it.
[19:06] <SomeT> #powerline
[19:06] <SomeT> ##powerline
[19:07] <leftyfb> SomeT: Please try to only provide helpful answers
[19:09] <SomeT> apologies
[19:20] <martind_> thank you guys.   How buggy is it?
[19:25] <tomreyn> !ot | lastebill1
[19:25] <ducasse> lastebill1: that's not a support question, which is what we do here
[19:25] <jcotton> it also just came out
[19:28] <FTMichael> Anyone else having desktop issues after upgrading to 19.04? (Can't do a fresh install just yet but will in a few days)
[19:29] <tomreyn> FTMichael: better discuss the very issues you're seeing, polls don't work well here.
[19:30] <FTMichael> Fair. When I open the dash, it will not close. I can open an app from the dash, but the app is not clickable or usable. I haven't found anything to do except log out or reboot.
[19:30] <jojero> I fixed it yay! tomreyn, thanks btw!
[19:31] <tomreyn> jojero: i didn't do much, lefty pointed you to the docs, which probably helped.
[19:31] <FTMichael> Googling is getting me a bunch of results from 2013. :P
[19:31] <jojero> hihi still you guys help me thank you so much, my terminal is now so cool
[19:31] <tomreyn> FTMichael: does "dash" refer to the unity desktop environment there?
[19:32] <FTMichael> I guess? I press the Super key and it asks me to search for apps.
[19:32] <FTMichael> It's been a long long time since I upgraded instead of doing a fresh install. I upgraded from 18.10 to 19.04
[19:32] <leftyfb> FTMichael: what version did you upgrade from and was that a fresh install or upgraded as well?
[19:32] <tomreyn> FTMichael: can you show a screenshot?
[19:32] <FTMichael> The 18.10 was a fresh install
[19:32] <leftyfb> ok, so no, it's gnome, not Unity
[19:33] <FTMichael> Can't screenshot because nothing works once I open the dash.
[19:33] <tomreyn> FTMichael: probbaly gnome then, yes.
[19:34] <tomreyn> FTMichael: does ctrl-alt-t open a temrinal window, and can you run a command such as "echo" there (should just return to a new line)?
[19:34] <FTMichael> Yes.
[19:34] <tomreyn> FTMichael: please run this, posting the http address returned here:  nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};)
[19:34] <FTMichael> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/ofca
[19:35] <tomreyn> FTMichael: please run this, posting the http address returned here: sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog
[19:35] <FTMichael> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/jm57
[19:36] <tomreyn> FTMichael: please run this, posting the http address returned here: ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:36] <FTMichael> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/mjjm
[19:37] <tomreyn> FTMichael: you will need to get this fiexed:  E: The repository 'http://deb.playonlinux.com disco Release' does not have a Release file.
[19:37] <FTMichael> oh, that's more recent. That's not connected to the error. But I can fix that now
[19:37] <tomreyn> FTMichael: this is an apt repository you have configured, it may have worked before you upgraded, but it doe snot support ubuntu 19.04
[19:37] <tomreyn> FTMichael: correct, that's unrelated to the issue
[19:37] <FTMichael> No, I know. :) Just disabled that.
[19:38] <tomreyn> FTMichael: you may also want to look at this later: https://termbin.com/mjjm
[19:38] <tomreyn> FTMichael:  please run this, posting the http address returned here: journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:38] <FTMichael> I was looking at it, but slightly unclear why apps like hexchat and audacity aren't supported
[19:39] <FTMichael> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/hhysg
[19:39] <tomreyn> FTMichael: they receive community support, this output is from a Canonoical perspective.
[19:39] <FTMichael> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/hhysq
[19:40] <tomreyn> FTMichael: take a look at the bottom of the latest post
[19:40] <FTMichael> tomreyn, looking at it, but not really sure what I'm looking at
[19:41] <Loeb> Ok so after doing some work trying to blacklist the nvidia driver and reload it later, I somehow got it to load later on in the boot process WITHOUT blacklisting it at any point. Why did this happen?
[19:41] <tomreyn> !info ayatana
[19:42] <OerHeks> what fixed it... sudo apt-get remove indicator-multiload from answer #7
[19:43] <tomreyn> OerHeks: that's for FTMichael, I suppose?
[19:43] <FTMichael> Is indicator-multiload my entire problem?
[19:43] <OerHeks> sorry, yes, FTMichael ^^
[19:43] <FTMichael> I'll try removing that
[19:43] <sonicwind> I had problems with indicator-multiload on my Gnome 18.04 LTS and had to remove it... there's a gnome extension that you can replace it with
[19:44] <tomreyn> FTMichael: try this, and logout and login.
[19:44] <FTMichael> tbh that indicator hasn't worked well for quite a while. Just hadn't found anything better.
[19:44] <FTMichael> Right, relogging
[19:44] <antonino> hi all
[19:45] <FTMichael_Androi> Nope. Problem persists.
[19:46] <tomreyn> FTMichael: what your system log (which you can always access using journalctl -b) showed was that an error message regarding ayatana is constantly thrown. i assume OerHeks searched the web for this error message and came up with the finding he posted here.
[19:47] <OerHeks> from bug #1768127 and #1739468
[19:47] <tomreyn> FTMichael: i suggest you reboot fully, then post "journalctl -b" again
[19:47] <FTMichael> I rebooted, tomreyn. https://termbin.com/up1u
[19:48] <tomreyn> this error message seems ot be gone, though, that's a good start
[19:48] <sonicwind> FTMichael, , the gnome extension "system-monitor" is the replacement I've read about for indicator-multiload.
[19:48] <FTMichael> Noted, sonicwind. Thanks :)
[19:48] <FTMichael> When I get this sorted I'll go have a look
[19:50] <tomreyn> FTMichael: i'm reading your log, may take another 5-10 minutes
[19:50] <FTMichael> Much appreciated tomreyn :)
[19:55] <OerHeks> FTMichael, redshift, does that ring a bell?
[19:56] <FTMichael> OerHeks, I do also have redshift and saw that it's also connected to ayatana, but it doesn't seem to throw that same error
[19:57] <atheodo> hi
[19:57] <atheodo> building a new ubuntu box with M.2 and an HDD and SSD
[19:58] <atheodo> my plan is hook up the M.2 only and install ubuntu
[19:58] <tomreyn> FTMichael: maybe we'll make better progress by asking you whihc non standard configurations you have
[19:58] <_genuser_> hello people. I'm trying to see if I can upgrade nodejs to 8 or higher. But the in the repos, all it shows is 4.2.6. that's pretty old. Is there a way to get the higher versions? Or does one have to install from source?
[19:58] <atheodo> once that is done, shut down hook up HD and SSD, restart and use Disks to format the SSD and HDD
[19:58] <atheodo> do you see any issues with that plan?>
[19:58] <_genuser_> on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[19:59] <tomreyn> FTMichael: i don't see other obvious major issues on the logs. you have some gnome shell extensions which may be causing trouble.
[19:59] <tomreyn> FTMichael: and an nvidia prime configuration apparently
[19:59] <_Sym_> _genuser_, I think the issue with upgrading nodejs on ubuntu 16.04 is related to upgrading openssl
[19:59] <_genuser_> atheodo: sounds fine. any reason you don't want to connect all of them together first?
[19:59] <tomreyn> !ppa | _genuser_
[20:00] <_genuser_> tomreyn: thanks. IO
[20:00] <_genuser_> I'll go look there first.
[20:00] <FTMichael> tomreyn, I was already using a proprietary nvidia driver, but I upgraded it to the tested one after upgrading to 19.04. I hoped that might help resolve the dash issue. No effect though
[20:00] <_genuser_> _Sym_: thanks.
[20:01] <mike802> have you bothered checking with your dev team about actual coding issues?
[20:01] <tomreyn> FTMichael: did you have more 3rd party software package repositories configured before the upgrade than you have now?
[20:01] <FTMichael> tomreyn, extensions I have: Alternate Tab (which I think I read that I no longer need in 19.04), desktop icons (which I don't want and I'm sure I didn't install), Ubuntu AppIndicators, Ubuntu Dock, and Workspace Grid
[20:02] <FTMichael> Prior to the upgrade, it was just that one that gave an apt error. The upgrade disabled it; I re-enabled it after the upgrade; it gave an apt error, which  you saw. I've now disabled that again
[20:02] <tomreyn> FTMichael: dpkg -l gnome-shell-extension*
[20:02] <mike802> even if this terrible idea of yours DID work, some teams use the version they are familiar with ON PURPOSE
[20:02] <tomreyn> FTMichael: ^ this lists the packaged extensions you have installed, 3 of them comae along with the ubuntu desktop
[20:03] <tomreyn> ! who | mike802
[20:03] <FTMichael> tomreyn, appindicator, autohidetopbar, caffeine, dash-to-panel, dashtodock, desktop-icons, multi-monitors, pixelsaver, taskbar, top-icons-plus, ubuntu-dock, workspaces-to-dock
[20:04] <tomreyn> FTMichael: quite a few. i can't comment on those, but would recommend you try whether the same issues occur with those disabled first of all.
[20:04] <FTMichael> tomreyn, how do I disable them via the command line?
[20:04] <OerHeks> dashtodock https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-dashtodock/+bug/1819086
[20:05] <FTMichael> Or via GUI, but https://extensions.gnome.org/local/ gave me an incomplete list.
[20:05] <OerHeks> that immediatly rings a bell
[20:06] <OerHeks> Dash to Panel and Dash to Dock are not working anymore.
[20:06] <FTMichael> Disabled a few, let me try a relog.
[20:06] <tomreyn> FTMichael: gnome shell extensions are quite version dependant, you need to use those that are known to work with your verison of gnome-shell
[20:08] <FTMichael_Androi> SUCCESS
[20:08] <FTMichael_Androi> I think it was Workspace Grid
[20:09] <sonicwind> awesome
[20:09] <tomreyn> FTMichael: gnome shell extensions are quite version dependant, you need to use those that are known to work with your verison of gnome-shell
[20:09] <tomreyn> FTMichael_Androi: ^
[20:10] <FTMichael> tomreyn, thanks so much :) I disabled most of them but Workspace Grid had an Error icon and wouldn't let me disable. Restarted and had the same error. Fully removed Workspace Grid and Alternate Tab, restarted again, and it seems to work now
[20:11] <tomreyn> FTMichael: very well, this hopefully scaled down on the amount of   gnome-shell[PID]: JS ERROR: ...   you have in your system journal, too.
[20:11] <FTMichael> https://termbin.com/9mlg
[20:11] <FTMichael> That does look calmer
[20:13] <tomreyn> nice. it'll add some over time, but it looks good now
[20:14] <FTMichael> tomreyn, thanks again! You saved me from a whole lot of aggravation. :)
[20:14] <OerHeks> !cookie | tomreyn
[20:15] <tomreyn> !cookie | OerHeks
[20:15] <tomreyn> FTMichael: you're welcome
[20:19] <tomreyn> FTMichael_Androi: btw. you might want to take a look at https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/Z390%20Phantom%20Gaming-ITXac/index.asp#BIOS
[20:19] <tomreyn> yours is BIOS P1.20 09/04/2018
[20:20] <s3nd1v0g1us> I accidentally deleted the folder icon from the desktop/dash. How can i replace it?
[20:20] <s3nd1v0g1us> Im on budgie, 18.10
[20:21] <leftyfb> s3nd1v0g1us: folder icon?
[20:21] <CyberManifest> I'm trying to install a package and I get the Error: Wrong architecture 'amd64' -- Run dpkg --add-architecture to add it and update afterwards; but I don't seem to understand the proper syntax; I tryed: 'dpkg --add-architecture aarch64 discord-0.0.9.deb' but that doesn't seem to work, I read dpkg --help but I obviously don't understand. Could someone please assist me in figuring this out?
[20:21] <s3nd1v0g1us> yes, the icon that is a folder and that allows you to open a window and explore one's files.
[20:22] <tomreyn> CyberManifest: what'S the output of dpkg --print-architecture
[20:22] <s3nd1v0g1us> lefyfb
[20:22] <jcotton> CyberManifest: sounds like the Discord deb doesn't have aarchy64 support
[20:22] <CyberManifest> tomreyn, arm64
[20:22] <s3nd1v0g1us> leftyfb the folder/file explorer icon.
[20:22] <jcotton> *aarch64
[20:23] <CyberManifest> jcotton, right but it sounds like there is a command to add it ?
[20:23] <tomreyn> CyberManifest: what jcotton says
[20:24] <jcotton> --add-architecture architecture
[20:24] <jcotton>               Add  architecture  to  the  list  of  architectures  for  which packages can be installed without using
[20:24] <jcotton>               --force-architecture
[20:24] <jcotton> it just lets you install amd64 packages
[20:24] <jcotton> but it won't work anyhow
[20:24] <allure> Hey guys. How do I disable the new dock keyboard shortcuts of meta+1, meta+2, etc on Ubuntu 19.04
[20:24] <allure> ?
[20:24] <jcotton> since you're on arm64
[20:24] <tomreyn> CyberManifest: you could add additional architectures to dpkg, which would enable you to install those packages. but this wouldn't enable your CPU to execute any binaries contained in those packages.
[20:24] <OerHeks> install the snap version ? https://snapcraft.io/discord
[20:24] <CyberManifest> oh that's very very sad :(
[20:24] <OerHeks> oh arm64, forget my post
[20:25] <dax> CyberManifest: please don't crosspost between #debian and #ubuntu. Use whichever channel matches the distro you're using.
[20:25] <s3nd1v0g1us> so how can i replace the folder icon to the dock/dash?
[20:25] <jcotton> s3nd1v0g1us: it's just Nautilus I think
[20:25] <jcotton> open it, then right click the icon > pin
[20:25] <jcotton> or w/e it's called
[20:25] <OerHeks> s3nd1v0g1us, drag it from the softwaremenu to the dock?
[20:26] <CyberManifest> dax, you weren't paying attention, I mentioned that it was wrong room, it was an accident [15:21:06] <CyberManifest> oops, I"m sorry wrong room
[20:26] <s3nd1v0g1us> thx.
[20:26] <dax> CyberManifest: ah, indeed. carry on :)
[20:26] <OerHeks> CyberManifest, so on what arch are you actually ? i386?
[20:26] <CyberManifest> arm64
[20:27] <OerHeks> as amd64 is wrong...
[20:27] <OerHeks> oke, no discord then :-(
[20:27] <s3nd1v0g1us> problem solved. :)
[20:27] <s3nd1v0g1us> i surely love IRC.
[20:27] <CyberManifest> yeah, very sad :(
[20:27] <tomreyn> CyberManifest: you may want to remove the foreign architecture if you previously added it
[20:28] <tomreyn> dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
[20:28] <CyberManifest> tomreyn, I think they all errored out anyways so nothing was added
[20:28] <tomreyn> ok
[20:28] <CyberManifest> dpkg --print-foreign-architectures #is only returning armhf (which should be kept)
[20:29] <jcotton> what's hf?
[20:29] <jcotton> in armhf
[20:29] <CyberManifest> hardware fixed or firm or something like that
[20:29] <CyberManifest> oh, no
[20:29] <OerHeks> armhf sounds like rasp pi
[20:29] <CyberManifest> hardware floatpoint
[20:30] <CyberManifest> OerHeks, yes raspberry pi does have armhf support
[20:31] <OerHeks> you might want to checkout purple-discord
[20:31] <OerHeks> !info purple-discord
[20:32] <OerHeks> debian gives a arm64 and armhf version https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=purple-discord
[20:32] <CyberManifest> what is libpurple?
[20:33] <Guest18706> hi everyone
[20:33] <Guest18706> i like ubuntu
[20:33] <allure> Hey guys. How do I disable the new dock keyboard shortcuts of meta+1, meta+2, etc on Ubuntu 19.04?
[20:33] <tomreyn> !info libpurple0
[20:34] <OerHeks> CyberManifest, sorry, never used it, it sounds like a message app .. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/purple-discord
[20:34] <CyberManifest> OerHeks, but this Ubuntu isn't based on either of those debian cores (buster, or sid) it's on (stretch) I believe
[20:35] <dax> purple-discord is a plugin for libpurple. libpurple is the IM library used by pidgin (plus a couple of other things)
[20:35] <tomreyn> CyberManifest: libpurple is a generic chat protocol library, which can be used by multiple GUIs. the most known software to use it will be pidgin.
[20:35] <dax> i suspect just using the discord web UI is going to be less crufty than trying to pipe it through pidgin, but ymmv
[20:35] <scooterd> hey guys need some help system trying to update but wont says ck internet connection
[20:35] <tomreyn> also less TOS violating
[20:36] <OerHeks> installing purple-discord would pull those packages in.. easy to check it out
[20:36] <fury> i'm having trouble getting my installer to recognize my new 1 TB SSD as the primary drive, it keeps putting it off to /dev/nvme1n1 and leaving the existing 512 GB drive as nvme0n1. i tried swapping them around in the M.2 card to no avail...tried removing the 512 GB drive, installing on the 1 TB, then reinstalling the 512 GB drive, then it wants to boot from the 512 GB drive again >.> what am i doing wrong? i have LVM on both
[20:36] <CyberManifest> I'll just open Discord in browser, I don't want to have to install pidgin extra bloat
[20:36] <Ben64> fury: why does it matter what it's called
[20:37] <fury> i don't know, just want it to boot from the 1 TB instead of the other one
[20:37] <tomreyn> scooterd: what does "wont says ck internet connection" mean?
[20:37] <fury> i've set it higher in the boot list in bios
[20:38] <Ben64> maybe it isn't bootable
[20:38] <fury> i just installed ubuntu on it about 30 minutes ago, told it "erase disk and install ubuntu" and "use lvm..."
[20:38] <scooterd> TOMsystem wont update says to ck connection when it is ok
[20:38] <fury> then when i put the 512 gig drive back in, it's like it can't boot from it at all
[20:39] <Ben64> did you make sure to install grub onto it
[20:39] <fury> yeah. if i take the 512 gig drive out, it'll boot up
[20:39] <tomreyn> fury: changing the boot order on your mainboard (UEFI?) firmware won't necessarily (probably not) change the irinitalization order. There are some firmwares which offer you to scan different types of buses before others, but in the end it really boild down to "why does it matter"?
[20:40] <scooterd> TOMREYN my firefox has been weird all day now all favorits missing too
[20:40] <fury> i wish i knew why it mattered... i can't seem to get it to pick the 1 tb drive as the bootup drive
[20:40] <tomreyn> scooterd: have you tried to reboot since?
[20:40] <fury> uefi yep
[20:41] <fury> both are M.2 nvme drives, on the same card, which has 4 slots, 0-3...tried putting the 1tb in 0 and the 512gb in 1, and vice versa
[20:41] <scooterd> tomryen yes have restarted couple of times
[20:41] <scaba> theres probably a way to select the drive in your bios fury
[20:41] <tomreyn> scooterd: what is the meaning of "says to ck connection when it is ok"?
[20:41] <bilb_ono> what do you do when sudo doesn't work ? sudo rm -rf <Some dir>
[20:41] <bilb_ono> permission denied
[20:42] <tomreyn> bilb_ono: you notice you weren't supposed to run this command in the first place and give up on it.
[20:42] <scooterd> tomryen internet is ok can browse but in pop up window says can't upload check internet connection
[20:43] <tomreyn> scooterd: do you know how to work in a terminal?
[20:43] <bilb_ono> tomreyn, but I dont want that directory there
[20:43] <scooterd> tomryen when trying to update ubuntu
[20:43] <bilb_ono> I want to remake it in fact
[20:43] <tomreyn> bilb_ono: which ubuntu version are you running, which directory are you trying to delete, do you run in a containment or virtualization environment?
[20:43] <scooterd> tomryen newby but have before
[20:44] <tomreyn> scooterd: please run this ina terminal and report the http address it returns here:  nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};)
[20:44] <bilb_ono> ubuntu 18. Trying to delete :/mnt/c/main/FemtoTest/TowerLightSensor/trunk/TowerLightSensor. Running ubuntu in a Linux Shell on windows
[20:45] <tomreyn> scooterd: please run this in a terminal and report the http address it returns here: sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog
[20:45] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | bilb_ono
[20:45] <tomreyn> !wsl | bilb_ono
[20:46] <jcotton> bilb_ono: sudo in WSL doesn't mean anything to Widfows
[20:46] <tomreyn> bilb_ono: the issue there will be that you are not allowed to delete this directory from WSL, you'll need to do this from within windows instead.
[20:46] <jcotton> you can do it from WSL, but only if you start the shell as admin
[20:46] <jcotton> assuming needing admin is the issue here
[20:47] <bilb_ono> ah interesting
[20:47] <bilb_ono> and lame
[20:47] <tomreyn> well, wrong channel anyways, please move to #wsl
[20:47] <bilb_ono> ok thanks
[20:47] <tomreyn> at least for anything WSL specific
[20:47] <jcotton> certain aspects of WSL are also topical in ##windows
[20:47] <_genuser_> jcotton: quit ubuntu'ing.
[20:47] <scooterd> tomryen forget how to get terminal up sorry
[20:48] <jcotton> i dualboot :P
[20:48] <tomreyn> scooterd: ctrl-alt-t
[20:49] <scooterd> tomryen  sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog
[20:50] <jcotton> why the `sudo /bin/true`?
[20:50] <tomreyn> jcotton: to have sudo cache the password.
[20:51] <tomreyn> scooterd: this is not a terminal window
[20:51] <jcotton> ic
[20:51] <scooterd> tomryen https://termbin.com/3eurj
[20:52] <tomreyn> scooterd: since my nickname is difficult to type correctely, you can just type "tomr", then press tab
[20:52] <scooterd> tomr ok
[20:53] <tomreyn> scooterd: oh this does not seem to work on the web chat you're using. just ignore my remark then.
[20:53] <tomreyn> scooterd: you didn't post the url produced by the first series of commands i posted, yet.
[20:54] <tomreyn> scooterd: as a reminder, this was: nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};)
[20:56] <deadmarshal> i have installed portaudio. how should i initialize it?
[20:57] <scooterd> tomreyn it wont produce a url ??
[20:58] <soee> Hi could you point me to some tutorial how can i resize my ext4 partition withoiut removeing it as it has live  data
[20:58] <tomreyn> scooterd: does it report an error?
[20:59] <fury> i've managed to lock up the installer, woo. ubi-partman failed with exit code 141...
[20:59] <OerHeks> soee, resize as in making it larger, can be done with gparted. not smaller, that requires a live iso.
[20:59] <fury> what it seems to come down to is that it does not like me telling it to set up LVM on the new drive while the old one is still there (upon which i did the same thing when i installed ubuntu there...)
[20:59] <OerHeks> and "live data " is no such thing on a HDD
[21:00] <OerHeks> tip: always have a backup before doing somthing with partitions
[21:00] <soee> OerHeks: i have VPS, m,y provider chnaged plan to bigger one. I have now 20 GB ext4 partition and i should be able now to resize it to 80 GB
[21:01] <soee> now i wonder how can i do this
[21:01] <scooterd> tomreyn no it has  my system 18.04   and other  too no error code
[21:01] <OerHeks> soee, maybe your VPS vendor gives a admin panel, maybe from there? did you read their docs?
[21:02] <fury> cool. now i can't even boot off the flash drive anymore O_o
[21:02] <fury> i have the worst luck
[21:02] <tomreyn> scooterd: please run these commands and post the output to https://paste.ubuntu,com , then post the http address of it here:   lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline}
[21:02] <fury> something something mmx64.efi not found
[21:02] <fury> then it shuts off
[21:02] <fury> sigh
[21:03] <soee> OerHeks: they pointed me to https://falstaff.agner.ch/2013/12/22/online-resize-root-filesystem-on-a-gpt-partition/
[21:03] <soee> :/
[21:03] <tomreyn> fury: make sure you installation media was properly written, and before that, that your installer iso downloaded correctly
[21:03] <fury> it seemed to be. i used ubuntu's startup disk creator to write it, and for the first hour or two it's been booting up from the flash drive fine when it was in there
[21:03] <tomreyn> !md5 | fury
[21:04] <tomreyn> fury: i usually use https://etcher.io to create bootable removable media from iso files
[21:05] <tomreyn> it does a validation step after writing the iso.
[21:05] <fury> "Something has gone seriously wrong: import_mok_state() failed"
[21:05] <fury> hmm. guess i'll boot back up with the old drive and retry flashing it with etcher
[21:06] <xamithan> soee: What's wrong with that guide?  Looks fine unless you are using LVM
[21:06] <bprompt> fury:    when booting from an external drive, you'd need to let it shutdown completely by itself, if you ever forced a poweroff by simply holding-down the power button, that'd shut it off but many unwritten files will remain and the disk filesystem will be rendered broken or incomplete, thus unbootable
[21:07] <OerHeks> soee, that guide deletes data, try gparted? simply drag the partition endmarker wider over the unused space
[21:07] <tomreyn> soee: you won't get another warning on the need to have current and complete backups.
[21:08] <scooterd> tomreyn buntu 18.04.2 LTS cat: /proc/{version,cmdline: No such file or directory
[21:08] <tomreyn> scooterd: you are not a professional at copy and paste. ;-)
[21:09] <tomreyn> scooterd: thanks anyways, we'll go with what we have for now.
[21:09] <tomreyn> scooterd: look at https://termbin.com/3eurj - what you posted earlier
[21:10] <tomreyn> scooterd: right on top you see the output of "sudo apt update" - this reports an error (E:) and two warnings (W:). you need to fix these.
[21:10] <tomreyn> scooterd: start with the error message
[21:10] <soee> OerHeks: yup, i do not want to wipe my data out
[21:11] <fury> nope, can't even boot from the original 512 gb drive now, same error "Something has gone seriously wrong: import_mok_state() failed"... wat
[21:12] <tomreyn> scooterd: run    sudo apt update    now, and if you're happy with this change, accept it.
[21:14] <tomreyn> fury: "mok" refers to secure boot. if secure boot is enabled, temporarily disabling it may help you boot.
[21:14] <fury> just tried that, no go... seems my mistake was checking "Install third-party drivers" which required some key to be put in, but then because i couldn't finish the installation, it never managed to put that key manager anywhere
[21:16] <tomreyn> fury: the key you entered there was probably the secure boot initialization / administration key, which ubuntu would have stored to your mainboard.
[21:17] <scooterd> tomreyn Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
[21:17] <tomreyn> in the worst case, the installation failed while writing this key to the mainboards' persistent storage, in which case you'll probably not be able to boot any operating system until you reset the mainboard's seccure boot enrollment state.
[21:18] <fury> i don't see anything like that in the setup - just a simple on/off switch for secure boot
[21:19] <tomreyn> fury: so you can still boot?
[21:19] <tomreyn> scooterd: please post the entire output
[21:19] <tomreyn> scooterd: alternatively, consider reinstalling
[21:20] <fury> nope, secure boot off or on, same error message
[21:20] <fury> doesn't matter which drive i select, the flash drive or the 512 gb drive
[21:20] <fury> there is a legacy boot option but it seems to ignore that too
[21:21] <tomreyn> fury: do you know which mainboard / computer model you have there?
[21:21] <fury> dell precision 7810
[21:21] <scooterd> tomreyn in paste bin now
[21:22] <tomreyn> scooterd: okay, we'll need to url here
[21:23] <tomreyn> fury: do you have another computer you can create an installer / livecd from?
[21:23] <fury> yes, downloading ubuntu again from a laptop
[21:23] <fury> which also happens to be running ubuntu
[21:24] <tomreyn> there is this for precision 3520 / kaby lake *and later systems* https://www.dell.com/support/article/de/de/dedhs1/sln301692/no-boot-device-found-when-you-change-the-boot-sequence-to-legacy-mode?lang=en
[21:25] <fury> yeah, just got that error message now, which i guess makes sense because it was installed as a uefi boot not legacy mode
[21:25] <scooterd> tomreyn dont see any url in output ??
[21:26] <tomreyn> scooterd: it's in the address bar of your web browser
[21:26] <fury> and i followed those same steps to turn uefi boot back on and that's when i get the "something has gone seriously wrong"
[21:26] <scooterd> tomreyn https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4y3zYpRQxx/
[21:28] <tomreyn> fury: i searched the web for this message you posted previously - "Something has gone seriously wrong: import_mok_state() failed" - but found nothing. maybe it's not actually a message printed by ubuntu / Linux but by the firmware. hard to tell.
[21:28] <tomreyn> scooterd: take a backup and reinstall
[21:28] <fury> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1109639/ubuntu-18-04-on-acer-spin-5-with-efi-boot-mmx64-efi-not-found
[21:29] <soee> i used parted and resizepart command
[21:29] <soee> than also resize2fs
[21:30] <tomreyn> fury: which ubuntu version were you trying to install there?
[21:30] <scooterd> tomreyn is that like a back up on windows and where do i find that
[21:30] <fury> 18.04
[21:30] <tomreyn> fury: .0, .1, .2?
[21:30] <fury> .2
[21:30] <fury> sorry. just found this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1798171 looks like something's been fixed for it in 18.10
[21:31] <tomreyn> !backup | scooterd
[21:31] <fury> i don't know if my stuff will work in 18.10 or 19.04 but i suppose worth a shot
[21:31] <donofrio> what channel would I goto to use TeX to perhaps remove a layer from a pdf?
[21:32] <fury> 18.04 was what i was running previously, on the 512 gb drive, before i got the bright idea to install the new faster 1 tb drive
[21:32] <fury> never had that issue, i had the third party drivers and all
[21:37] <tomreyn> fury: good find, this bug report. i'm still reading it.
[21:38] <CodeMouse92> Here's what seems to be a new weird phenomenon...
[21:39] <fury> what could possibly go wrong on a friday at 3:00 when i get my new goodies from the IT department and i'm about to start a company blog? :D
[21:39] <CodeMouse92> My system password (Ubuntu 19.04...Budgie, although this has nothing to do with the DE AFAIK) keeps *randomly resertting*
[21:39] <fury> i'll just go ahead and install a new SSD and try and put ubuntu on it while i'm working on it and ...oh, now i've broken it completely
[21:39] <CodeMouse92> I set it back to what it is SUPPOSED to be via recovery mode, and it works for a while...
[21:40] <CodeMouse92> And then, it randomly stops working. I slow way down in typing to ensure there's no entry errors.
[21:40] <CodeMouse92> (Possibly unrelated, GPG keeps randomly timing out in local operations; if that's unrelated, I'll address it separately later.)
[21:40] <CodeMouse92> Thoughts?
[21:41] <CodeMouse92> (aaaaaaaaaaand...password is back to working. Like I said, it goes in and out. Something's odd, and the GPG timeouts MAY be related)
[21:42] <tomreyn> fury: so before you broke it completely, installing with secureboot disabled, from an ubuntu 18.04.2 alternative server installer *daily image*, should fix it.
[21:43] <tomreyn> alternatively the latest current mini.iso
[21:44] <ducasse> CodeMouse92: anything in the logs, like disk errors?
[21:44] <tomreyn> CodeMouse92: resetting to what? how do you recover it when the password resets?
[21:45] <lighthunter> is there a channel that would be good to ask about an Ubuntu/NVIDIA graphics card compatibility issue? specifically, when i upgraded from Ubuntu 18.10 to 19.04, i lost the ability to connect my laptop to an external monitor.
[21:45] <CodeMouse92> tomreyn: I honestly don't know WHAT it resets to. It fails, even if I double-check the password, c/p it, slow down, whatever. So, I have to reset it with recovery mode.
[21:45] <CodeMouse92> ducasse: Hmm. Good possibility. Remind me again where to find those?
[21:46] <tomreyn> CodeMouse92: oh you use recovery mode to reset it aqfter it changed to a value you don't know, got it now.
[21:46] <tomreyn> CodeMouse92: journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:46] <iamanewbie> How to fix over 100 file names? Example: https://i.snag.gy/HgaRFA.jpg
[21:46] <ducasse> CodeMouse92: journalctl or /var/log/syslog or kern.log
[21:47] <tomreyn> lighthunter: here's a good place, but i won't personally be able to help.
[21:47] <tomreyn> iamanewbie: /join #bash
[21:47] <lighthunter> ty, tomreyn. any suggestions on which user might know or when to ask?
[21:47] <CodeMouse92> tomreyn: Yeah, I'll run that in a sec. nc didn't spit back the link (I've used that before)...
[21:48] <lighthunter> i realize it is a highly specialized question.
[21:48] <tomreyn> lighthunter: any time you like really. can't recommend anyone specifically. if you get no replies on the first try, try again later
[21:48] <CodeMouse92> tomreyn: I had to dump the whole journalctl... -b doesn't play well with pipes. https://termbin.com/3o9i
[21:48] <CodeMouse92> ducasse: CC ^^^^
[21:48] <lighthunter> he he, fair enough; will do.
[21:50] <tomreyn> CodeMouse92: normally piping   journalctl -b    works fine, but termbin.com will close the connection after some seconds, maybe it took to long to read the log.
[21:51] <tomreyn> so this is a W65_67SZ notebook, BIOS 1.03.06RNS1 07/28/2014
[21:51] <CodeMouse92> tomreyn: "Time out" seems to be the theme of the day, TBH. Which is weird. HDD has no bad sectors, I'm running 12GB RAM on a quad-core, 8-thread i7. ("New" computer). Timeout should not be a thing here.
[21:52] <tomreyn> the log states that the bios is broken, you should look for a bios update
[21:52] <CodeMouse92> tomreyn: Uhm...well, that would be weird, because I literally JUST got this back from Sys76 two days ago.
[21:52] <CodeMouse92> New motherboard, tested extensively
[21:52] <CodeMouse92> Fresh OS install, too
[21:53] <tomreyn> i'm just telling you what i rea don your log.
[21:54] <tomreyn> Apr 18 11:38:25 tardis kernel: Your BIOS is broken; DMAR reported at address 0!
[21:54] <tomreyn>                                BIOS vendor: American Megatrends Inc.; Ver: 1.03.06RNS1; Product Version: Not Applicable
[21:54] <CodeMouse92> tomreyn: Fair enough. Seeing it now, I think you can ignore that. I hit a couple of obstacles with an old install.
[21:54] <CodeMouse92> Yesterday
[21:55] <CodeMouse92> So, that was probably leftover from the OS knowing the old bios, seeing something new, and having a snit. It wasn't even seeing the 8 threads.
[21:55] <tomreyn> CodeMouse92: that's the latest boot log you posted, though
[21:55] <CodeMouse92> Ah...hm. Why is the date off by one?
[21:55] <tomreyn> because you tried to post ALL logs, not just the latest boot (-b)
[21:56] <cuddylier> Does anyone know why if I X11 forward an application from a docker container to the host system via SSH, it's actually quicker than opening the application directly on the host? I'm using Xfce for the GUI on the Ubuntu 18.04 host.
[21:56] <tomreyn> and then it got cut off
[21:56] <CodeMouse92> It's 19 April here...
[21:56] <CodeMouse92> tomreyn: OH! Fair, okay, let me see...
[21:56] <CodeMouse92> and NOW nc behaves
[21:56] <CodeMouse92> tomreyn, ducasse: try this. -b worked now: https://termbin.com/5vvv
[21:57] <CodeMouse92> Hm. Still "broken"...which, like I said, is alarming since I JUST got this back from System76 with a fresh mobo
[21:58] <tomreyn> CodeMouse92: the mainboard is probably fine, just the firmware isnt
[22:01] <CodeMouse92> Ugh, there goes the password again
[22:01] <CodeMouse92> GPG has been trying to generate entropy this whole time too :\
[22:02] <tomreyn> CodeMouse92: DMAR is DMA (direct memory access) request remapping. this is done as a security measure by the IOMMU (input/output memory management unit). on some firmware you can choose to disable IOMMU, thus the protection, and thus DMAR. not safe in the long run, but it could work around these issues. on the other hand, i think linux is already disabling DMAR in this situation, keeping IOMMU intact, which is safer.
[22:03] <tomreyn> CodeMouse92: you also have ACPI warninrgs there.
[22:03] <CodeMouse92> Well, I would DEARLY like to check for firmware updates, but the password just fritzed again
[22:04] <CodeMouse92> tomreyn: BRB, restarting darned computer
[22:13] <CodeMouse92> tomreyn: Back. i had to reset the password AGAIN
[22:13] <CodeMouse92> Something's definitely wrong here. Even the keyring does this
[22:13] <tomreyn> CodeMouse92: you have what looks like physical storage errors at Apr 19 09:50:56 tardis kernel: ata6.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x83c78080 SErr 0x50000 action 0x6 frozen
[22:14] <tomreyn> also you have gdbus failing, but this may be a side effect:  Apr 19 09:54:13 tardis kernel: gdbus[11456]: segfault
[22:14] <CodeMouse92> tomreyn: What, failing harddrive?
[22:14] <fury> so i reflashed 18.04.2 with etcher and same deal. in the "crazy hackjob" department, i've simply renamed grubx64.efi to mmx64.efi on the 18.04.2 flash drive, i am back in the ubuntu installer, and my 1 TB drive is now showing up as the first drive, only, i'm just getting an "Installation type" -> "Select drive" loop...goes back to installation type asking me whether i want to erase disk and install Ubuntu
[22:14] <fury> i am flashing another USB drive with 19.04 and will try that if i can't get this going soon...
[22:14] <OerHeks> CodeMouse92, why not fix the bios update first?
[22:15] <CodeMouse92> OerHeks: I have no idea how. I'm trying the System76 firmware updater now...
[22:15] <tomreyn> CodeMouse92: that's what it looks like. boot from a liveusb and run    sudo smartctl -x /dev/sda ; sudo smartctl -t short /dev/sda
[22:15] <CodeMouse92> But if the BIOS is screwed up, that's on THEM, not me. I paid enough money
[22:15] <Bashing-om> fury: "check disk for defects" ?
[22:15] <OerHeks> CodeMouse92, oh, then it is our problem now :-D
[22:15] <tomreyn> CodeMouse92: do the bioss update from the live usb, too, this current installation is not reliable
[22:17]  * CodeMouse92 weeps
[22:17] <fury> Bashing-om: it seems to have an issue with the LVM i attempted to put on it during a previous install, it won't let me do anything with the partition table, and i can't get a terminal open from the installer either
[22:17] <fury> ctrl+alt+f2 to the rescue
[22:17] <tomreyn> fury: 18.04.2 release won't work, you'll need the latest current build
[22:17] <CodeMouse92> tomreyn: It's highly unlikely there's a BIOS update to be had, honestly...
[22:17] <CodeMouse92> They did that when it was in
[22:18] <fury> oops
[22:18] <tomreyn> fury: told you above ;)
[22:18] <fury> i tried to find that and i couldn't see where to download anything newer than .2 for 18.04
[22:18] <fury> unless you mean 19.04 is the latest current build i need to try
[22:18] <tomreyn> so instead of asking you decided to use the one whic wouldnt work?
[22:18] <mike802> updates are typically fixes.  if you're confused about what's being updated, you might want ot visit forums or contact a support/dev team
[22:19] <fury> yeah, i was trying one of the earlier suggestions of reflashing with etcher first
[22:19] <fury> all the dailies point to 19.04, is that the one you mean?
[22:19] <mike802> :/
[22:19] <OerHeks> https://support.system76.com/articles/laptop-firmware/
[22:19] <mike802> fury: corruption...
[22:19] <CodeMouse92> OerHeks: I already know about that. Done, and nothing
[22:19] <tomreyn> fury: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/bionic/daily-live/current/
[22:19] <CodeMouse92> Checked, that is
[22:19] <CodeMouse92> No updates available
[22:20] <fury> whew. dunno why i couldn't find that one O_o thanks!
[22:20] <CodeMouse92> I'll restart into LIVE and check the hard drive, but SMART tests have been passing, soooooooooo
[22:20] <CodeMouse92> BRB :(
[22:20] <tomreyn> fury: but actually we only know the debian-installer is fixed, so maybe let's use that instead.
[22:22] <fury> tomreyn: debian installer, as in the graphical thing that comes up after booting the live USB?
[22:22] <tomreyn> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/bionic/daily-live/current/
[22:22] <fury> oh that one
[22:22] <tomreyn> wait, no
[22:22] <tomreyn> that's live
[22:23] <tomreyn> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/bionic/daily/current/
[22:23] <tomreyn> fury: ^ this
[22:24] <fury> tomreyn: is that still going to have the desktop environment? this's a workstation meant for Qt app development among other things (a CI runner)
[22:24] <tomreyn> fury: thsi is the classic server installer. you can install the desktop from it either after installation by running   "apt install ubuntu-desktop" or by selecting the ubuntu-desktop ttarget during installation (may be better in terms of usability)
[22:24] <fury> ah ok
[22:24] <fury> cool
[22:24] <fury> thanks, will download and try that
[22:29] <tomreyn> fury: i would very much recommend a firmware upgrade to you as well. the ubuntu changelog statement was very polite but indirectly suggests this can be a firmware error. also this seems to only affect certain dell models.
[22:29] <fury> makes sense - i don't think i've updated the firmware on this thing at all
[22:29] <fury> couple years old :X
[22:30] <jcotton> if an in-OS firmware updater doesn't work then you can also do an update from the BIOS
[22:30] <jcotton> at least, supposedly
[22:32] <oil_boi> how do I enable the ubuntu login sound? :D
[22:32] <oil_boi> Or is there a way to make startup sounds via the mac style bong during startup
[22:32] <tomreyn> jcotton: this really depends a lot on the firmware in my experience.
[22:32] <tomreyn> do you know about this model / series? dell precision 7810
[22:33] <jcotton> I have an XPS
[22:33] <jcotton> so no
[22:34] <oil_boi> Also, how do I cast to my samsung tv like in Windows 10's connect to wireless display?
[22:34] <jcotton> seems to be the page for it tho https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/product-support/product/precision-t7810-workstation/manuals
[22:34] <jcotton> oil_boi: that uses Miracast
[22:34] <jcotton> you need a compatible WiFi card
[22:35] <oil_boi> jcotton, but I could do it through the LAN with my standard ethernet on windows 10??
[22:35] <tomreyn> fury: oh look, dell released a firmware upgrade on apr 09 "Fixed an issue with Secure Boot Option Rom Signature Verification."
[22:35] <fury> HAHAHA i just saw that
[22:35] <jcotton> don't think Miracast works over Ethernet
[22:35] <jcotton> fu
[22:35] <jcotton> ack
[22:36] <jcotton> fury: according to dell f12 will bring up a boot menu
[22:36] <jcotton> an update option would be there, if anywhere
[22:36] <jcotton> https://topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/precision-t7810-workstation_owners-manual_en-us.pdf
[22:36] <jcotton> BIOS on this page https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/product-support/product/precision-t7810-workstation/drivers
[22:37] <jcotton> also says you can install from DOS
[22:37] <fury> hmm. don't have dos handy
[22:37] <jcotton> FreeDOS might work
[22:38] <jcotton> but try that F12 bit
[22:38] <jcotton> my XPS knows how to get the image out of the exe
[22:38] <fury> 18.04.2 managed to install with my hackjobbed flash drive that had grubx64.efi renamed to mmx64.efi...now wondering if i should touch it at all or just leave it
[22:39] <fury> still gonna try to update teh bios tho
[22:40] <tomreyn> fury: you need a usb drive with a fat32 file system on the first partition, and the .exe file on it. the firmware should be able to flash from that when you press F12 at the dell boot logo screen.
[22:41] <fury> yep, bios flash update in the boot menu, woohoo
[22:42] <tomreyn> dell also supports mainboard firmware upgrades from linux on some hardware. not sure they support yours.
[22:42] <fury> doesn't seem so, didn't spot a linux download from the downloads page. no biggie tho. it's updating now
[22:43] <fury> yeesh. 3 hours later, updated bios, and a working ubuntu install, simple as that
[22:43] <fury> think i'm just gonna not touch secure boot with a 10 foot pole
[22:44] <tomreyn> firmware is no different than software. don't use early releases for longer than strictly necessary.
[22:44] <jcotton> Ubuntu works pretty well with SB
[22:44] <jcotton> IME
[22:46] <tomreyn> CodeMouse92: how's your firmware + HDD coming?
[22:46] <CodeMouse92> tomreyn: Terrible.
[22:47] <CodeMouse92> tomreyn: HDD is fine. No problems. Passed test
[22:47] <CodeMouse92> Firmware update fails, can't even recognize this machine.
[22:47] <CodeMouse92> Same errors in journalctl -b from LIVE
[22:47] <CodeMouse92> Contacted system76, back to waiting.....again.....................
[22:49] <tomreyn> hmm, that's not ideal. this could also be broken memory modules. i didn't check, but if you have mutliple you could do some cross checking there as well. or just have system76 handle it.
[22:49] <tomreyn> CodeMouse92: so you sis the short smart check on the hdd and waited for it to complete?
[22:50] <tomreyn> sis -> did
[22:50] <tomreyn> i had expected this to take longer
[22:50] <CodeMouse92> tomreyn: y
[22:52] <CodeMouse92> tomreyn: Nope. Short test is 2 minutes. (I do those a lot.)
[22:52] <CodeMouse92> Long test is about 11 hours (ha). Not really needed here, I was using this same HDD in the last laptop, checked it regularly.
[22:52] <tomreyn> CodeMouse92: oh that short, i wasn't aware, i always do the long ones ;)
[22:52] <CodeMouse92> Heh, yeah. I think the fact that journalctl is the same rules it out, TBH
[22:53] <CodeMouse92> So, really, no grounds to spend 11 hours, since everything else is the same in logs on LIVE
[22:53] <tomreyn> for the HDD, right?
[22:53] <tomreyn> not the USB flash.
[22:53] <CodeMouse92> tomreyn: Yes
[22:54] <Bambus> .
[22:54] <CodeMouse92> tomreyn: Yeah, data recovery and hard drive stuff is part and parcel for me, over here. I fix a lot of older computers
[22:55] <CodeMouse92> This is definitely NOT the HDD :(
[22:55] <tomreyn> i see. well, good luck on this.
[22:55] <CodeMouse92> tomreyn: In terms of the passwords, here's a weird tidbit....
[22:56] <CodeMouse92> The deterioration time...how long until the password stops working at random...is longer the shorter the password is.
[22:56] <CodeMouse92> So, a 35 character password "dies" in about 10 minutes.
[22:56] <CodeMouse92> A 25 in about 30 minutes
[22:56] <CodeMouse92> And a 15 in about 2 hours
[22:57] <CodeMouse92> Roughly guesstimating here
[22:57] <tomreyn> CodeMouse92: let's move to a different channel for hardware chatting, such as #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:57] <CodeMouse92> Well...it's not really a hardware chat, BUT, yeah, sure
[23:01] <dont-panic> anyone in here familiar with sox?
[23:03] <lotuspsychje> dont-panic: its best to ask your full issue about it to the channel with all details
[23:05] <dont-panic> lotuspsychje: Probably, but if someone's not familiar with sox, they're likely not going to have incountered this issue...
[23:06] <dont-panic> I'm trying to split vinyl recordings with sox and it's a pain for albums like Elictric Light Orchestra - Time, due to the fading from one to the next factor.  Trying to find a way to do it anyways
[23:09] <lotuspsychje> dont-panic: maybe the ubuntu studio channel might be a good place to hang also for music related
[23:09] <dont-panic> lotuspsychje: I have a feeling that what i've got is close enough for most ablums and I'll have to do albums like dark side of the moon etc by hand
[23:36] <icemaiden> I have ubuntu 16.04 unity, and 3 displays ..is it possible to mirror 2 of the 3 dispays only?
[23:36] <icemaiden> if so, how please?
[23:47] <tomreyn> icemaiden: i don't know how or whether you can do this with the drivers and graphics hardware you may or may not have. but maybe give it another try on 18.04, too.
[23:50] <mia> Hey channel
[23:50] <mia> how can I exit the gui session completely go to a terminal from ubuntu
[23:51] <mia> I would like to test the limits of my single poor gpu and I think having no GUI could help
[23:51] <mia> (would it?)
[23:54] <xamithan> "systemctl set-default multi-user.target" and a reboot should do it
[23:54] <xamithan> set it again to graphical.target when you want gui back
[23:55] <mia> oh thanks
[23:55] <xamithan> Or if you want to just test it once,  systemctl isolate multi-user.target


[11:32] <webmind> Hi, trying to upgrade to 21.04 on my gpd pocket2, I followed the steps on https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-hirsute-hippo-final-release/ but at 'update-manager -c' is says my system is up to date and /usr/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/check-new-release-gtk gives a timeout?
[11:33] <webmind> WARNING:root:timeout reached, exiting
[11:34] <webmind> 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d' seems to work
[11:35] <webmind> But I've told it to notify me for 'For any new version'
[11:37] <Maik> it's not recommended to force the update due a bug https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-April/041448.html
[11:38] <Maik> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/04/why-you-cant-upgrade-to-ubuntu-21-04-for-now
[11:38] <Maik> that's why it won't notify you webmind
[11:39] <Maik> i also was told that the -d option puts you on a development release
[12:16] <webmind> yeah, I was told to try that last time it didn't work
[12:17] <webmind> shouldn't this be on the release page? that's currently recommending you to upgrade
[12:18] <webmind> but uhm yeah, I now only see my background with sometimes the terminal flipping in
[12:23] <Maik> webmind: they mentioned it here: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/hirsute-hippo-release-notes/19221#heading-release-upgrades
[12:23] <Maik> quote: Release Upgrades - Upgrades from Ubuntu 20.10 to Ubuntu 21.04 are not enabled as it is possible for some systems to end up in an unbootable state if they use EFI version 1.10 - bug 1925010. 580 Release upgrades will be enabled once an updated version of shim is available which is compatible with EFI version 1.10.
[12:35] <webmind> I ended up here: https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-hirsute-hippo-final-release/ not even in the known issues
[12:36] <webmind> Do you need to read both before installing ubuntu-mate ?
[12:38] <webmind> my pocket 2 is now showing my background and one in a while blinking my terminal, I can get a new terminal ctrl-alt-f1, but what is now the best tactic to not end up completely broken?
[12:40] <Maik> webmind: of course, if Ubuntu MATE doesn't mention it then check the Ubuntu releasenotes too
[12:40] <Maik> the base is after all Ubuntu
[12:42] <webmind> if ubuntu mate -doesn't- mention? how do I know if it's not mentioning it?
[12:44] <Maik> i meant to say just check both release notes
[12:44] <Maik> it's their fault not to mention this important bug imho
[12:45] <webmind> it is, but when ubuntu-mate knowns, shouldn't the page be updated?
[12:45] <webmind> *knows
[12:46] <Maik> you can notify them about it on either their forum or on discord
[12:51] <Maik> webmind: i asked them why it wasn't included in the UM release notes
[13:05] <webmind> thank you
[13:05] <webmind> but my current bug doesn't look efi related, and do you have any idea how to save my currently running upgrade?
[13:12] <Maik> upgrades can't be saved afaik, just let it finish
[13:14] <Maik> imo Ubuntu should have waited on releasing 21.04. Fedora doesn't release when they found a possible show stopper bug.
[13:15] <Maik> they postpone a release by one week to make sure such bugs are squashed
[13:22] <webmind> it's waiting for me to answer a question, but the terminal is only there for 1 second and then I get my background again
[13:22] <webmind> I tried just typing it in, but the terminal doesn't seem to have the focus
[13:22] <webmind> alt-tab doesn't do anything
[13:26] <webmind> looks like marco is crashing
[13:26] <webmind> keeps having new pid's
[13:30] <webmind> yep, giving errors that it can't load themes
[13:36] <webmind> export DISPLAY=:0 and compiz --replace gave me something working again
[13:37] <webmind> (on tty0)
[13:54] <alkisg> It's possible to redirect a tty into another process. E.g. to migrate an upgrade process inside mate-terminal, to another process started via ssh.
[13:56] <alkisg> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hirsute/man1/reptyr.1.html
[14:06] <webmind> that's pretty cool
[14:07] <webmind> installation finished, but does this mean I shouldn't reboot until it's fixed?
[14:08] <webmind> also compiz --replace, doesn't stop marco from trying to start anyway. It got into a restart loop eating a lot of cpu
[17:16] <Maik> webmind: according to the team the shim bug was mentioned in the Ubuntu MATE release notes
[17:19] <superkuh> I wish the MATE team would patch the gtk3 they link against to bring back the ability to paste filepaths and type into into File->Open dialogs.
[17:20] <superkuh> Without a patched gtk3 MATE is pretty much just modern GNOME.
[17:22] <superkuh> Last MATE release before gtk3 got GNOME'd was ~ 2013 with 1.8.
[19:09] <alkisg> superkuh: hm? I go to pluma > file > open, type / to show the path edit box, and I can paste paths there...
[19:16] <superkuh> Yes, after you type ~ , /  or .
[19:16] <superkuh> But if you just try to paste it errors out.
[19:17] <superkuh> Whereas with older gtk3 you can just paste the file path.
[19:17] <superkuh> http://erewhon.superkuh.com/gtkfilechooserwidget-paste-fail.jpg
[19:17] <alkisg> Oh I completely agree that gnome is heading to the wrong direction... I'm actually looking at Debian+KDE lately
[19:18] <superkuh> I tried kate in Qt as a text editor but it's gtk imitation so was good it had the same bugs as the gtk3 application.
[19:18] <superkuh> For a while I thought it was doing xdg-desktop-portal stuff.
[19:19] <alkisg> Unfortunately MATE doesn't have control over gtk3... I doubt they could patch the libs, as all Ubuntu flavors share the same repository
[19:19] <superkuh> Ah. Dang.
[19:19] <alkisg> For text editing, I moved to vscode
[19:33] <tomreyn> webmind: first topic under "known issues": https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/hirsute-hippo-release-notes/19221#heading--release-upgrades
[19:34] <tomreyn> the blog post points to these release notes.
[19:35] <tomreyn> Indeed, the blog post states "You can upgrade to Ubuntu MATE 21.04 from Ubuntu MATE 20.10. " which makes it sound like you can do so *now*, which is misleading.
[19:36] <tomreyn> the "known issues" section of the blog post does point to the blocking bug.
[19:38] <tomreyn> Wimpress: you may want to consider editing the blog post to point out the 20.10 -> 21.04 upgrade path is not yet supported.


[05:20]  * Kilos greets ubuntu-za
[05:27]  * magespawn waves back to Kilos o/
[05:57] <Kilos> wbb
[05:59] <Kilos> internet very fast here today
[06:00] <Kilos> qyou so cute
[06:01] <Kilos> oops
[06:04] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[06:13] <magespawn> Kilos thought you had lost it a bit there.
[06:13] <Kilos> hehe
[06:27] <Squirm> morning
[06:27] <Squirm> just realised I've been on irc for 7 years already 0o
[06:30] <Kilos> wow
[06:30] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[06:32] <superfly> ola!
[06:33] <Kilos> hiya superfly
[06:33] <Kilos> you have mexican for supper?
[06:34] <Kilos> or i got my peeps mixed up
[06:34] <superfly> nope
[06:34] <superfly> nope to mexican dinner, that is
[06:34] <superfly> actually... I did
[06:34] <superfly> we had quesadillas
[06:34] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:35] <Kilos> there you go
[06:35] <superfly> (kay-sa-dee-ya for all you peons)
[06:35] <Kilos> good start to the day with some lols
[07:05] <Kilos> some settings required a restart
[11:12] <Kilos> hmm all quiet on the western front
[12:40] <zeref_campus> Symmetria:
[13:05] <jrgns> hey amanica
[13:06] <Kilos> hey jrgns
[13:06] <jrgns> hi Kilos
[13:06] <Kilos> tell me how to open the ports in nm
[13:06] <Kilos> hehe
[13:07] <WOLFEYES> Good day all.
[13:07] <zeref_campus> Kilos: open ports for?
[13:13] <Kilos> lol i have a program called umit that scans networkss and it says all 1000 ports in my ip are closed
[13:13] <Kilos> for second pc to use 3g on this one
[13:19] <zeref_campus> internet connection sharing in nm not working?
[13:19] <superfly> Kilos: I wouldn't worry about that
[13:19] <superfly> Kilos: the PC that is connected to the internet needs that "ip..." command
[13:20] <Kilos> where do i look fo the reason its not sharing the 3g
[13:20] <Kilos> it has
[13:20] <Kilos> <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:20] <superfly> Kilos: and the PC that needs the internet connection needs to have its default gateway set up to be the first one
[13:20] <Kilos> oh command not addy sorry
[13:21] <Kilos> i have told .2 to use <IP_ADDRESS> in the dns setting
[13:21] <Kilos> dns servers
[13:22] <superfly> Kilos: no, you must not do that
[13:23] <superfly> DNS and default gateway are not the same thing
[13:23] <Kilos> oh
[13:23] <superfly> Kilos: are you running a forwardning DNS server on PC1?
[13:23] <superfly> *forwarding
[13:23] <Kilos> thats what we trying to do
[13:24] <superfly> Kilos: you don't need a forwarding DNS server
[13:24] <Kilos> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/docs/howto/other-formats/html_single/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO.html
[13:24] <Kilos> followed that
[13:24] <superfly> Kilos: forwarding DNS server != traffic forwarding
[13:24] <Kilos> ok superfly what do i need then
[13:27] <superfly> Kilos: which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[13:27] <Kilos> 12.04 on both pcs
[13:28] <superfly> Kilos: can you install a package on PC 1?
[13:29] <superfly> it's 138K
[13:29] <Kilos> yes i am online
[13:29] <superfly> install arno-iptables-firewall
[13:30] <superfly> it's what I use on my routing server
[13:31] <Kilos> i dont have a router superfly
[13:31] <Kilos> direct cable
[13:32] <WOLFEYES> crossover or straight?
[13:32] <Kilos> straight but the socket here switches them
[13:32] <WOLFEYES> Which socket?
[13:32] <Kilos> on the mb
[13:33] <Kilos> i can ping both ways
[13:33] <superfly> Kilos: you do, PC1 is your router
[13:33] <Kilos> oh yes that the idea
[13:33] <superfly> Kilos: PC 1 is /routing/ traffic from PC 2 onto the Internet
[13:34] <Kilos> ya and it worked for one night then killed nm on next mornings boot
[13:34] <superfly> Kilos: then when you install arno-iptables-firewall, it has a nice little wizard on the command line to help you set it up
[13:34] <superfly> Kilos: then all you need to do is make sure that PC2 always has PC1's ip address as a default gateway
[13:35] <Kilos> i have installed it and it opened a window here but when i typed to you it disappeared
[13:35] <superfly> Kilos: that's OK, we can configure it again from the command line
[13:36] <Kilos> its here under xchat
[13:36] <Kilos> grrr
[13:37] <Kilos> cant drag from one workspace to another with unity
[13:37] <superfly> Kilos: OK, what's the first screen you see?
[13:37] <Kilos> external network interface
[13:37] <superfly> (and can't you right-click on the title-bar and say "move to workspace 2"
[13:38] <superfly> OK, so with that you want to type in "ppp+"
[13:39] <Kilos> then open external tcp ports
[13:39] <superfly> leave that at what it is
[13:39] <superfly> (if it's blank, that's even better)
[13:39] <Kilos> empty line there
[13:39] <Kilos> lol
[13:40] <superfly> then you can leave the UDP ports blank too
[13:40] <Kilos> k
[13:40] <Kilos> internal network interface
[13:40] <superfly> that's your network card
[13:40] <superfly> in most cases, eth0
[13:41] <Kilos> ya
[13:41] <Kilos> internet subnets
[13:41] <superfly>  <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[13:43] <Kilos> restarted now
[13:43] <Kilos> oh my its gone
[13:43] <superfly> Kilos: OK, you'll probably need to disconnect from the internet, restart the firewall, and then reconnect to the internet
[13:44] <superfly> Kilos: that's fine, that was the last screen
[13:44] <Kilos> ah ok brb
[13:50] <superfly> hey kilos-, what's up?
[13:50] <kilos-> cant find how to start it
[13:50]  * kilos- cries
[13:50] <superfly> kilos-: start what?
[13:50] <kilos-> you said start it then connect
[13:51] <kilos-> the arno goodie
[13:51] <superfly> oh, restart it
[13:51] <superfly> simple
[13:51] <superfly> sudo service arno-iptables-firewall restart
[13:51] <superfly> just checking the service name quickly
[13:51] <kilos-> ty lemme try
[13:51] <kilos-> ok
[13:52] <superfly> yup, that's what it is on my machine at home
[13:52] <kilos-> ok ty ill try
[13:52] <kilos-> brb again
[13:55] <kilos> lol
[13:55] <superfly> what's up now?
[13:55] <kilos> its going with 3g connected first
[13:56] <kilos> but doesnt it show anywhere
[13:56] <superfly> kilos: what doesn't show anywhere?
[13:56] <kilos> that gui thingie
[13:56] <superfly> what gui thingie?
[13:56] <kilos> is it a cli tool
[13:56] <superfly> what? what are you talking about?
[13:57] <kilos> that pretty window you set it up with
[13:57] <kilos> lol
[13:57] <superfly> kilos: if you're talking about the firewall, it's a firewall, it doesn't have a GUI
[13:58] <kilos> ok so its running now what more must i tell it or nm to do?
[13:59] <superfly> now you go to PC2 and I think you can tell NM to set PC1 as a default gateway
[14:04] <kilos> must i delete that primary dns <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:05] <kilos> in the info i see default route <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:05] <kilos> but cant ping www.google.com
[14:10] <kilos> cant tracepath or nslookup www.google.com superfly
[14:10] <kilos> but can ping both ways
[14:11] <superfly> kilos: yes, no DNS entries
[14:11] <superfly> kilos: you can set DNS to <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:12] <kilos> on pc1 or 2
[14:13] <superfly> both, if you want
[14:13] <superfly> but PC2
[14:13] <superfly> kilos: I need to go now, but I'll come back online when I'm on the train
[14:14] <kilos> ty superfly go safe
[14:33] <superfly> kilos: what can you tell me?
[14:33] <kilos> not sharing superfly
[14:34] <superfly> kilos: did you set the default gateway? Do you know how to?
[14:34] <kilos> i set gateway in nm
[14:34] <superfly> but is it the defau.t gw?
[14:35] <superfly> kilos: what does "route -n" on pc2 say?
[14:36] <kilos> top line has <IP_ADDRESS> under gateway
[14:37] <kilos> next 2 lines nothing under gateway
[14:37] <superfly> kilos: oh, you know what? I think we need to make a tweak to the firewall
[14:37] <kilos> ok im ready to start tweaking
[14:37] <kilos> lol
[14:37] <superfly> kilos: any way you can give me the exact line?
[14:37] <superfly> from pc2
[14:38] <kilos> there is 3 lines
[14:38] <kilos> will give the info here from each next to each other ok?
[14:38] <superfly> What does the first line say?
[14:38] <superfly> Ya
[14:39] <kilos> destination <IP_ADDRESS>     <IP_ADDRESS>   <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:40] <kilos> gateway <IP_ADDRESS>           <IP_ADDRESS>      <IP_ADDRESS>        <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:40] <kilos> aw
[14:41] <kilos> third gateway is also <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:42] <kilos> genmask is <IP_ADDRESS>       <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:43] <kilos> flags UG   U   U
[14:43] <kilos> Metric   0     1    1000
[14:44] <kilos> ref   0 on all
[14:44] <kilos> use iface all eth0
[14:45] <kilos> lemme show gateway again        <IP_ADDRESS>          <IP_ADDRESS>       <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:46] <superfly> kilos: the way you pasted it i can't figure out what is going wrong, have you got a flash drive?
[14:46] <kilos> i even tried another link that said do it with firestarter
[14:46] <kilos> oh ya sec
[14:48] <kilos> you want me to pastebin it superfly ?
[14:49] <superfly> ya
[14:50]  * superfly is soooo sleepy
[14:51] <kilos> lol dont sleep youll miss you stop
[14:51] <kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2LXiPnvqg
[14:56] <superfly> That's MUCH better, and that's right
[14:56] <superfly> That's MUCH better, and that's right
[14:57] <superfly> Eish, bad connection
[14:58] <kilos> oh my thats right
[14:59] <kilos> maybe i must remove dhcp3-server
[15:00] <superfly> kilos: on which machine?
[15:00] <kilos> pc1
[15:01] <superfly> uh, not necessarily
[15:01] <kilos> ok
[15:01] <superfly> kilos: how does pc2 get its ip address?
[15:01] <kilos> i set ti up in nm
[15:01] <kilos> it
[15:02] <kilos> pc2 is <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:02] <superfly> ok, then you can probably uninstall it
[15:03] <kilos> the dhcp3-server?
[15:03] <superfly> Yes
[15:03] <kilos> ok
[15:06] <kilos> and dmasq-base as well?
[15:06] <kilos> dnsmasq
[15:06] <superfly> Ya
[15:06] <kilos> k
[15:07] <kilos> it wants to remove network-manager
[15:07] <kilos> thats no good
[15:07] <superfly> K, then just leave it
[15:07] <kilos> k
[15:08] <kilos> lol
[15:09] <kilos> dhcpd?
[15:09] <superfly> Nm is supposed to support connection sharing, dunno why we going the long route
[15:10] <superfly> Don't need
[15:10] <kilos> k
[15:10] <kilos> gone
[15:13] <superfly> Yay, my station next
[15:13] <kilos> yay
[15:13] <kilos> good thing you werent asleep hey?
[15:13] <superfly> Mmmm
[15:14] <kilos> we can try later to tweak the firewall superfly
[15:14] <kilos> been a week or more already so np
[15:14] <superfly> Ya, later
[15:16] <WOLFEYES> lol
[15:19] <kilos> dont laugh WOLFEYES its been hard work with no success
[16:50] <smile> :)
[16:50] <kilos> hi smile
[16:51] <smile> :D
[16:51] <smile> you lost your capital letter :p
[16:51] <kilos> hmm
[16:52] <Kilos> i was on and off lots
[16:56] <WOLFEYES> Btw up ^ I was laughing at the time period taken, I know the feeling just taken a few weeks to complete something, totally out of my hands to rush anything, so ya I know the feeling, cheers everyone.
[16:56] <Kilos> cheers boy
[16:57] <WOLFEYES> ;-)
[17:20] <Kilos> evening magespawn_
[17:20] <Kilos> does QP greet?
[17:20] <smile> Kilos: I understand :)
[17:20] <Kilos> i did everything the same but i dont think she works
[17:45] <superfly> Kilos: from PC2, type "traceroute <IP_ADDRESS>"
[17:45] <Kilos> sec
[17:46] <Kilos> eish it wants to first install traceroute superfly
[17:47] <superfly> hrm
[17:48] <Kilos> i need to steal the modem quick
[17:48] <Kilos> sorry
[17:50] <superfly> no problem Kilos
[18:01] <kilos> aw gotta take modem back again
[18:09] <Kilos> wow the modem didnt want to connect here after i brought it back
[18:10] <Kilos> it says network is unreachable superfly
[18:11] <superfly> Kilos: can you pastebin the output?
[18:11] <Kilos> there isnt any
[18:12] <superfly> Kilos: one question: why did you decide to use <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[18:12] <Kilos> oh wait 1 line/
[18:12] <Kilos> was in one of those links
[18:14] <Kilos> traceroute to <IP_ADDRESS>  (<IP_ADDRESS>) 30 hops max 60 byte packets
[18:14] <Kilos> connect: network is unreachable
[18:15] <Kilos> and i think pro help then too
[18:16] <Kilos> thats bout 2 weeks ago i think
[18:16] <Kilos> we can change it to anything you like that works
[18:17] <Kilos> hehe
[18:17] <Kilos> i can take both nm off manual too
[18:18] <Kilos> and put on auto dhcp?
[18:18] <Kilos> or share
[18:25] <superfly> Kilos: well, a more common range is <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:26] <Kilos> ok ill change them
[18:26] <Kilos> must i leave them on manual superfly ?
[18:28] <superfly> Kilos: yes
[18:29] <Kilos> and the gateway on pc1 is the same as its ip superfly ?
[18:31] <Kilos> and pc2 as well or must pc2's gateway show pc1's ip
[18:33] <smile> bye :p
[18:33] <Kilos> bye smile
[18:33] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:36] <superfly> Kilos: no, PC should get its gateway from the modem
[18:40] <Kilos> on pc2 the save button is grayed out if there is no gateway entry
[18:40] <Kilos> pc1 made its own <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:43] <Kilos> ah had to let it take 24 as netmask
[18:45] <Kilos> ok they can ping each other
[18:46] <Kilos> traceroute <IP_ADDRESS> still says network is unreachable
[18:46] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday wb girl
[18:47] <Kilos> nice to see you again
[18:48] <maiatoday> Hi Kilos I am on the in flight wifi on my phone :)
[18:48] <Kilos> where you going or coming from maiatoday ?
[18:49] <maiatoday> Jozi to cpt
[18:49] <Kilos> but still nice to see yuou even if you inna sky somewhere
[18:49] <maiatoday> Thanks can't type quickly
[18:49] <Kilos> np
[18:53] <Kilos> hmm that remote is inna sky too
[18:56] <superfly> Kilos: did you make the gateway on PC2 PC1's ip address?
[18:57] <Kilos> nope
[18:57] <Kilos> must it be pc1's address superfly
[18:57] <Kilos> it went o.o.o.o o on its own
[18:57] <superfly> always
[18:58] <Kilos> both netmasks are 24
[18:58] <superfly> PC1 must get its gateway from the modem and pc2's gateway must be pc1
[18:58] <Kilos> ok i go change it
[19:02] <Kilos> pc2 the netmask keeps going to <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:03] <Kilos> oh they both show <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:04] <superfly> Kilos: that's perfect
[19:04] <Kilos> still network unreachable with trceroute <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:19] <Kilos> route -n http://slexy.org/view/s2AFHHH2Pb
[19:19] <Kilos> thats from pc2
[19:22] <Kilos> route -n  from pc1 is  http://slexy.org/view/s2mxxhJLik
[19:37] <magespawn> Evening all
[19:37] <kilos-> hi magespawn
[19:37] <magespawn> Whats with the tail?
[19:38] <kilos-> oh off and back with disconnect nm to try get sharing going
[19:38] <magespawn> This is turning int9 an epis quest
[19:38] <magespawn> into
[19:39] <Kilos> haha the fly helping me use arno fw
[19:39] <magespawn> The electricity is off here, had a thunderstorm.
[19:39] <Kilos> i think we just gotta tweak it now
[19:39] <Kilos> whatever that means
[19:39] <Kilos> eish
[19:39] <Kilos> you got lotsa rain coming
[19:39] <magespawn> m
[19:40] <magespawn> Mmh
[19:40] <Kilos> all blew past here and dropped 4 drops
[19:40] <magespawn> Do not mind the rain, just do not like the electricity problem.
[19:40] <Kilos> hehe
[19:41] <magespawn> Power is back on in town i see, my server just reconnected
[19:41] <Kilos> ours is much better since they put new p[oles and non copper wires
[19:41] <magespawn> Brb
[19:41] <Kilos> that fone goodie is clever hey
[19:49] <magespawn> Hey Kilos
[19:49] <Kilos> hey magespawn
[19:49] <Kilos> lol
[19:49] <magespawn> No luck getting through to my server
[19:49] <Kilos> ai
[19:50] <magespawn> Ahh well one of those things.
[19:50] <Kilos> what isnt starting up properly
[19:51] <Kilos> youre core thing
[19:56] <magespawn> No that has started thats why you have magespawn_
[19:57] <magespawn> I just cannot log into it, which means my dyndns has not updated properly
[19:58] <magespawn> Or something else but thats what i think
[19:59] <magespawn> Any way, i am off to bed, ihave 03:15 start tomorrow. Good night Kilos
[20:00] <Kilos> night magespawn  sleep tight
[20:04] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[19:24] <wludi> Hi, I have one problem with my gnome 16.04.03  my touchpad doesn't work with three fingers gesture. How can I solve it?