[07:21] <dholbach> good morning
[07:38] <dholbach> nigelbabu: I'll blog about patch day lite now - I hope we can invite a couple more people :)
[13:00] <dholbach> nigelbabu: how's the review day coming on?
[13:46] <dholbach> nigelbabu: what would I do with a bug like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/548851?
[13:47] <ubot3> Malone bug 548851 in rhythmbox "IM Status plugin does not reset status message on end playback." [Low,Fix committed]
[13:47] <dholbach> the patch is fixed upstream
[13:47] <dholbach> but won't go into lucid because it's frozen and stuff
[13:48] <nigelbabu> sorry, was stuck at work.  Just got back.
[13:48] <nigelbabu> dholbach: ^
[13:49] <nigelbabu> for that we could mark it fix committed and milestone for late I suppose :/
[13:49] <nigelbabu> I dunno of anything else we could do
[13:50] <dholbach> nigelbabu: the problem is: it'll stay on the patch list forever
[13:50] <dholbach> or at least until somebody decides to integrate it
[13:50] <nigelbabu> generally I keep track of those bugs when I run into them upload them or ping someone who cares about the package
[13:52] <dholbach> yeah, but it means that it will stay on the "TODO list" for others
[13:52] <nigelbabu> do we upload a debdiff and subscribe sponsors in that case?
[13:52] <dholbach> or I could mark it as patch-accepted-upstream
[13:52] <dholbach> that'd be sensible
[13:52] <nigelbabu> wait, isn't that done?
[13:53] <dholbach> nope
[13:53]  * dholbach does that
[13:55] <dholbach> nigelbabu: and we should probably link to information about how to test and review a patch :)
[13:56] <nigelbabu> dholbach: I shuold probably write it.
[13:57] <dholbach> I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff on the wiki that could help explain things
[13:57] <nigelbabu> I'll hunt and add those stuff tomorrow.
[13:57] <dholbach> great
[13:58]  * dholbach checks a couple more bug reports to get a feel for the process
[13:59] <nigelbabu> dholbach: any idea why the patch review mailing list doesn't contain any action done on the bug report?
[13:59] <nigelbabu> only the patch tag being added comes up
[13:59] <nigelbabu> if everything was coming on the M/L I could keep track of who's helping out
[14:00] <dholbach> I have no idea
[14:01] <dholbach> maybe bdmurray knows
[14:01] <nigelbabu> hm, I'll ask him later today :)
[14:03] <dholbach> maybe we should also add a link to the bugs that are patch-accepted-* with some explanation how to get stuff accepted in the distro
[14:03] <dholbach> nigelbabu: what do you think?
[14:03] <nigelbabu> like a standard reply.  Makes sense.
[14:03] <dholbach> nigelbabu: so we have a couple of different working lists
[14:03] <dholbach> nigelbabu: oh, I meant on the wiki
[14:03] <nigelbabu> But I was also thinking adding that as a report to the overview I was making
[14:04] <nigelbabu> so people who want to have a headstart with development can gelp :)
[14:04] <nigelbabu> help rather
[14:04] <dholbach> I guess it makes sense to give it more exposure in different ways
[14:04] <dholbach> I'll add something to the wiki about the patch-accepted-* bugs
[14:07] <nigelbabu> dholbach: I had a look at the motu wiki and how it started off, it looks hopeful how small they started :)
[14:12] <nigelbabu> Ciemon: thanks for the edit. :)
[14:12] <nigelbabu> I was supposed to add that quite a long time back and forgot
[14:16] <Ciemon> :)
[14:16] <Ciemon> next time you ask for people to check things I'll read rather than skim
[14:16] <Ciemon> mind you, the more I do this the more I find I need to do more!
[14:16] <nigelbabu> haha
[14:17] <nigelbabu> Ciemon: how are you finding the workflow?
[14:17] <nigelbabu> i.e. from the perspective of someone who's seeing it for the first time..
[14:17] <Ciemon> Seems to be fine.. my stumbling block is over feeding upstream, it's something I've not done, and tbh, not looked into
[14:18] <Ciemon> I must this week
[14:18] <Ciemon> As I have a couple of bugs line up for Maverick that need it
[14:19] <nigelbabu> ah, you can always ask the #ubuntu-bugs folks for help if you get stuck there
[14:19] <Ciemon> thanks
[14:19] <dholbach> nigelbabu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReviewersTeam/GettingInvolved?action=diff&rev2=16&rev1=15
[14:19] <nigelbabu> dont get scared at the number of replies.  Too many helpful folks there :)
[14:20] <Ciemon> This is an interesting line: " If the change is significant enough to be fixed in Ubuntu, get the patch uploaded"
[14:20] <nigelbabu> dholbach: ROCK!!
[14:21] <nigelbabu> Ciemon: look at ^ see if clears your worries?
[14:22] <Ciemon> it does to a point, but I think that you/Daniel may need to define "important bug"
[14:23] <Ciemon> without a definition, all bugs are important
[14:24] <nigelbabu> I think the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance high and critical fall under important
[14:26] <nigelbabu> Do we have any documention about testing patches?
[14:26] <nigelbabu> I dont find any
[14:26] <dholbach> Bugs/Importance is a good idea
[14:27] <dholbach> and the classification in StableReleaseUpdates probably too
[14:27] <nigelbabu> I'll add to wiki
[14:27] <Ciemon> but it's left to individual interpretation as to importance
[14:27] <Ciemon> So.. I'm not part of UbuntuBugControl.. and I can't change importance
[14:28] <Ciemon> but I can review
[14:28] <Ciemon> so, you probably need to use the levels to indicate which bugs are at the level required to go to Ubuntu without upstream acknowledgement
[14:28] <nigelbabu> you just pop by in #ubuntu-bugs and caks someone to set it for you :)
[14:28] <nigelbabu> ask rather
[14:29] <nigelbabu> thats the problem.  We're not sure.  It varies
[14:29] <Ciemon> :D
[14:29] <nigelbabu> some patches are important, but we'd rather have upstream comment on it at least
[14:30] <Ciemon> I'd suggest that Critical, High and Medium need to go into Ubuntu straight away
[14:30] <Ciemon> the others "could" wait
[14:31] <Ciemon> anyway.. I'm waaay out of my league here
[14:31] <nigelbabu> some times, upstream makes some comment about it.
[14:31] <nigelbabu> I'm hesitant to therefore accept the Medium ones in immediately
[14:31] <Ciemon> and keeping you from work
[14:31] <nigelbabu> My work is this today.
[14:31] <nigelbabu> Getfeedback about the review guide.
[14:32] <Ciemon> ok, well, just need to do a bit of work and I'll be back
[14:36] <dholbach> Ciemon: there's no way all the Medium bugs can go into Ubuntu straight-away
[14:37] <dholbach> Ciemon: there's freeze times, stable release updates need extensive testing
[14:37] <dholbach> have a look how many bugs are "medium"
[14:38] <dholbach> and even if patches looks it obviously fixes the issue, it might still break other stuff
[14:41] <dholbach> Ciemon: bug 548851 is an example for that
[14:41] <ubot3> Malone bug 548851 in rhythmbox "IM Status plugin does not reset status message on end playback." [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/548851
[14:41] <dholbach> oh sorry, that's "Low" already :)
[14:43] <dholbach> it'd be nice to get as many fixes in as possible, but because of release schedule decisions we need to draw a line
[14:44] <dholbach> otherwise you'd keep spinning new images and people would need to test them, you'd delay the release, etc.
[14:44] <dholbach> and you'd probably always keep working on the same release
[14:44] <dholbach> and as nigelbabu said: it's good to get the ACK of upstream
[14:45] <dholbach> because if upstream (who are usually more experienced - it's code they wrote) decide to go with a different solution it might mean that we need to maintain the side-effects of our solution for 18 months to 5 years (depending on what kind of release it is)
[14:48] <Ciemon> dholbach: thanks for helping my understanding. The reason I went for Medium and above is, from Medium: "A bug that has a moderate impact on a core application."
[14:48] <Ciemon> whereas Low "can be easily worked around"
[14:48] <dholbach> Ciemon: yeah, from that viewpoint it definitely makes sense
[14:49] <Ciemon> As I've only being doing this for 3 weeks I only have these docs to go from, rather than experience, which could be a good thing :)
[14:50] <dholbach> Ciemon: I guess Medium is used in a lot of cases where it probably shouldn't :)
[14:50] <Ciemon> ahhhh! Now we come to it.
[14:50] <dholbach> :-)
[14:50] <Ciemon> :)
[14:50] <dholbach> nigelbabu: what do you think about making GettingInvolved more of a "you might want to check these pages out" and "this is what we do" page?
[14:51] <dholbach> nigelbabu: the page is growing and growing (which is good) and contains like all the process documents :)
[14:51] <dholbach> and todo lists
[14:51] <nigelbabu> and making the review guide separate?
[14:52] <dholbach> it was an idea I just had, right now I'm adding more stuff to it :)
[14:52] <nigelbabu> I had that idea long back, but I didn't want to break everyone linking to it.
[14:53] <Ciemon> it's a great page
[14:53] <nigelbabu> Either we can work on a new page and then put it there.
[14:53] <nigelbabu> Or we can do it after patch day
[14:53] <dholbach> yeah, maybe let's just keep it on the radar until later on
[14:54] <nigelbabu> I'll make a separate page in a sandbox and we can may be flip at some point
[14:56] <dholbach> just added a link to all the bugs with patches that were accepted in debian or upstream else already
[14:57] <dholbach> might be a nice working list for either SRUs or maverick
[14:57] <nigelbabu> a query right?
[14:58] <dholbach> yep
[14:58] <nigelbabu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReviewersTeam/KnowledgeBase#Tag%20Query
[14:58] <nigelbabu> but we could make it part of getting started
[14:58] <nigelbabu> like how you could package stuff
[14:59] <dholbach> I added it to the "Inclusion in Ubuntu" paragraph
[15:00] <nigelbabu> :)
[15:11] <nigelbabu> dholbach: may be, just may be, we can turn our landing page to different types of ways folks can help reviews team
[15:11] <dholbach> nigelbabu: yeah, why not
[15:12] <nigelbabu> (a) triage patches, (b) pacakges stuff
[15:12] <nigelbabu> so we can have new or prospective MOTU to review team to package stuff
[15:15] <Ciemon> is there a page showing a clearly mapped path for newbie to motu?
[15:16] <dholbach> not yet, but important ingredients are all linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted
[15:16] <Ciemon> fine, just thought I'd ask :)
[15:18] <dholbach> what makes it hopefully a bit "easier" is striving for doing stuff in Ubuntu and making the world a better place for millions of users and learning something new, you enjoy
[15:19] <dholbach> so joining a team or getting a badge in launchpad it not the central interest :)
[15:22] <nigelbabu> Its like karma, after the first excitement
[15:22] <nigelbabu> it wras off
[15:23] <nigelbabu> then all you think off is getting things fixed and not badges or how much karma you get for it
[15:24] <maco> Ciemon: closest i can think is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ubuntu-developers6.png
[15:37] <Ciemon> thanks maco
[15:38] <Ciemon> we're going to talk about all of this on the podcast tonight (ubuntu uk)
[15:38] <maco> that chart leaves out per package uploaders thoug
[15:38] <maco> and the new stuff with packagesets
[15:39] <maco> because now you can be a kubuntu-dev and have access to all the kde packages but not be a core dev
[15:48] <vish> nigelbabu: how did you change the topic here? [/me forgot]
[16:00] <Ciemon> vish: use /topic "some text"
[16:01] <vish> Ciemon: that doesnt work in all channels , and not here though
[16:03] <Ciemon> vish: it does, but you need to be a channel op to make changes.
[16:11] <vish> Ciemon: yup , but i dont think nigelbabu was the op here.. hence was wondering how  :)
[16:20] <nigelbabu> vish: /msg chanserv help
[16:20] <nigelbabu> there is an option there
[16:21] <nigelbabu> maco: package sets would be just a stand-alone item
[16:40] <nigelbabu> Vish: what are you doing?
[16:41] <Vish> baaah! :s
[16:41] <nigelbabu> Vish: part all channels and do it please.
[16:42] <Vish> nigelbabu: what?
[16:42] <Vish> how do i fix the nm problem ?
[16:43] <nigelbabu> Vish: before you /nick, part all channels
[16:43] <Vish> nigelbabu: heh , tel that to nm , so that it doesnt disconnect me :s
[16:43] <nigelbabu> lol
[16:44] <Vish> oh great! i cant use a system for more than 24hrs , before stuff starts to go bonkers..! :/
[16:46] <nigelbabu> haha
[18:52] <qense> nigelbabu: You might also want to keep track of <https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-launchpad-upstream-improvements-patches> as it will probably affect this team a lot.


[04:44] <a_b0y> what is Lubuntu 12.04 going to be released?
[04:44] <a_b0y> when*
[04:51] <Unit193> !outyet
[04:52] <Unit193> By end of the 26th UTC time.
[04:54] <bioterror> I would do-release-upgrade -d
[04:54] <bioterror> and make a small apt-get dist-upgrade :-)
[04:54] <bioterror> before it gets released
[04:54] <bioterror> D:
[04:54] <a_b0y> i'm talking about lubuntu tho
[04:55] <Unit193> ...And?
[04:56] <a_b0y> is it going to be released today also?
[04:56] <bioterror> Ubuntu, Lubuntu - What's the difference?
[04:56] <a_b0y> the L :P
[04:57] <bioterror> you know the answer then ;)
[04:57] <a_b0y> so i guess that is a yes?
[04:57] <bioterror> yes
[04:57] <a_b0y> ok thanks
[04:57] <bioterror> you better change your pants and trousers and get ready for the party!
[04:58] <a_b0y> lubuntu better be good or else...
[05:42] <drlaban> Hm, is there a keyboard shortcut for maximising windows? I'm having a real hard time finding it...
[05:46] <sva> drlaban: try alt space - think the menu open then, there you will see which letter it is
[05:46] <sva> (not sure, as i am just on an phone right now i cannot try)
[05:47] <sva> maybe ctrl+space - and having the window you wanna maximize in focus, sure thing
[05:47] <drlaban> sva: Well, it did indeed bring the window menu down and lo and behold, Alt-space -> X, it is
[05:47] <sva> :) great
[05:48] <drlaban> sva: Also, at more or less the same time I found out how to write a keybind for it as well. Two good things.
[05:49] <sva> yes there is that xml file somewhere... there you can write keybinds yourself
[05:50] <drlaban> sva: .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml on my box. Had to do some wiki crawling to figure out what command it was that toggled the window size.
[05:52] <sva> btw is there a keybind to make a window bigger and smaller?
[05:52] <sva> (need to look it up later, when i am on my machine)
[05:53] <drlaban> sva: You mean like incrementally growing/shrinlking the window?
[05:56] <sva> drlaban: ack
[05:57] <drlaban> sva: Can't say I found any action to support that. There are quite a few window actions but not like that it seems: http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Actions
[05:58] <sva> okay, np. was just coming into my mind by "keybind for modify window size" - something nice-to-have :)
[05:59] <sva> tnx for the link! havent seen that one before :)
[05:59] <drlaban> sva: Sure thing
[10:41] <akls> 12.04 release? or not yet?
[10:41] <Unit193> Ubuntu will be released by the end of 26th, UTC.
[10:41] <akls> thanks
[10:42] <half-duplex> mian release is out.... but not offically yet
[10:42] <bioterror> people are really shaking here like drugs abusers without their daily fixies ;)
[10:42] <half-duplex> http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[10:42] <Unit193> !isitout
[10:42] <Unit193> That's basically a RC.
[10:43] <half-duplex> release says 26th
[10:43] <bioterror> download the latest daily, and do dist-upgrade ;)
[10:43] <Unit193> Yep, and that's still here.
[10:43] <bioterror> and you have the release
[10:43] <half-duplex> last release was downloadable from other links like sofpedia about 1 hour before official release
[10:44] <half-duplex> I'm already of 12.04 any way
[10:45] <bioterror> !cookie
[10:46] <half-duplex> ok ok.......... I'll shut up and eat cookie
[11:05] <vuth_> hi
[11:05] <vuth_> hi
[11:05] <half-duplex> hey vuth_
[11:05] <vuth_> sup half duplex
[11:05] <vuth_> did u see my question on  the other room?
[11:06] <half-duplex> no sorry
[11:06] <half-duplex> looking
[11:06] <vuth_> was wondering if lubuntu 1204 be released  same time as ubuntu 1204
[11:06] <MrChrisDruif> About 12.04?
[11:06] <vuth_> i just dont want to waste bandwidth
[11:06] <vuth_> yes
[11:06] <MrChrisDruif> It will, I answered you already
[11:06] <MrChrisDruif> I just pointed you out to the proper support channel for lubuntu as well
[11:07] <half-duplex> vuth_, you may also want to hang in #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:07] <vuth_> im just looking for a netbook OS...that doesnt take long to boot up...LM11 takes close to 2 minutes to boot up..ubuntu around 1.5
[11:07] <vuth_> kk
[11:07] <half-duplex> I use lubuntu on desktop and atom based netbook
[11:08] <half-duplex> still ubuntu based..... so familiar
[11:09] <vuth_> n450 :P
[11:26] <Tichodroma> 12.04 is coming: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[11:26] <Tichodroma> starting torrents :)
[11:28] <half-duplex> already on it
[11:28] <half-duplex> tracker isn't running yet
[11:29] <Tichodroma> it is
[11:29] <Tichodroma> at least for lubuntu-12.04-alternate-amd64.iso
[11:30] <half-duplex> arrrr
[11:30] <half-duplex> I waiting on desktop
[11:30] <half-duplex> i386
[11:38] <akls> o!o!o!o!o!
[11:42] <Soojin> wooo
[11:43] <KM0201> \o/\o/o/
[11:45] <half-duplex> you guys use 32 or 64bit?
[11:45] <Tichodroma> 64
[11:48] <tootai> Bonjour
[11:49] <tootai> pour information, sur le site lubuntu.fr, les boutons pour le téléchargement indiquent 12.04 alors que les liens pointent sur les versions 11.10
[11:50] <bioterror> !fr
[11:50] <tootai> sorry
[11:51] <tootai> FYI on ubuntu.fr website -> download, buttons are showing 12.04 version but links point to 11.10 ones
[11:55] <tootai> you should put the language of the channel in the subject. I came from lubuntu.fr website -> help -> chat which show #lubuntu channel so I was thinking that itś still french
[11:56] <akls> wooo, 16 peers already on 32 bit desktop :D
[11:56] <Tichodroma> first download finished: lubuntu-12.04-alternate-amd64.iso
[11:57] <akls> err, so fast :D
[11:58] <akls> so.. is it a release? XD Really? can't believe it
[12:06] <half-duplex> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Announcement/12.04
[12:43] <yassu> ubuntu 12.04 is out..when can we expect Lubuntu?
[12:47] <Tichodroma> now
[12:47] <Tichodroma> here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[12:47] <Tichodroma> use the torrents
[13:03] <czz> any links for the new release?
[13:05] <Tichodroma> here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[13:05] <Tichodroma> use the torrents
[13:40] <Kalidarn> does lubuntu havea dvd?
[13:42] <holstein> Kalidarn: doesnt need one.. you can burn the iso to a DVD if you need for some reason
[13:42] <Kalidarn> yeah but they've got the alternate and desktop discs
[13:42] <Kalidarn> i used to like having the dvd so i had both
[13:43] <Kalidarn> guess i can just install lubuntu from my ubuntu or kubuntu dvd
[13:43] <holstein> Kalidarn: its all open, you can literally do what you like
[13:44] <holstein> make a DVD like i suggested, and you have a DVD
[13:50] <gordonjcp> is there a way to stop the annoying xscreensaver lock from popping up when I bring my laptop out of suspend?
[14:21] <holstein> gordonjcp: i use a different locker.. i removed the screensaver
[14:22] <gordonjcp> holstein: ah, I want the screensaver but not the locker
[14:22] <a_b0y> is lubuntu 12.04 released??
[14:22] <holstein> gordonjcp: they are connected AFAIK
[14:22] <Tichodroma> yes: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[14:22] <Tichodroma> use the torrents
[14:22] <gordonjcp> holstein: yes, but I just don't want the lock activated when I suspend
[14:23] <holstein> gordonjcp: should be in the GUI... dont lock when going to standby? something like that
[14:23] <a_b0y> tichodroma that link is not working
[14:23] <Tichodroma> a_b0y, maybe too many people try to download 12.04 :)
[14:24] <a_b0y> what version of LXDE is it using
[14:25] <czz> I got 12.04 in 3 minutes using the .torrent file
[14:25] <czz> :)
[14:25] <holstein> a_b0y: try and be patient, and keep trying..
[14:25] <holstein> or, torrent :)
[14:26] <a_b0y> which one is the torrent link?
[14:27] <gordonjcp> holstein: I don't see it
[14:27] <Tichodroma> I've copied the torrents for your convenience: http://www.dev-random.de/mirror/
[14:27] <a_b0y> its going to take over 2 hours for me to d/l
[14:28] <holstein> a_b0y: again, patience will help.. maybe the speed will pick up for you :)
[14:29] <a_b0y> what is the difference between the desktop and alternate iso?
[14:29] <Tichodroma> alternate has no graphical installer
[14:29] <EvilResistance> a_b0y:  alternate is a text-only installer, allows for specialist-installations
[14:30] <a_b0y> oh ok
[14:30] <EvilResistance> also, the Desktop ISOs (i think) can be turned into Live discs
[14:30] <Kalidarn> i had no idea ubuntu still supported ppc
[14:31] <Kalidarn> i thought they dropped ppc ages agp
[14:31] <EvilResistance> !ppc
[14:31] <EvilResistance> Kalidarn:  ^
[14:31] <EvilResistance> its a community port, i dont think its maintained actively
[14:32] <Kalidarn> i guess it's used on ibm machines
[14:32] <Kalidarn> of some sort
[14:32] <EvilResistance> (i also know a lot of programs die on PPC)
[14:32] <EvilResistance> (and some don't even build)
[14:34] <a_b0y> is lubuntu using lxde version <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[14:48] <a_b0y> lubuntu would probably be perfect if google chrome was switched with firefox :)
[14:50] <EvilResistance> firefox is gnomey though, chrome isnt afaik
[14:51] <EvilResistance> (or at the least, ffox is GTK)
[14:55] <a_b0y> does google pay canonical to put google chrome as default browser and homepage like it pays firefox $300 million to have google as the default homepage?
[14:56] <EvilResistance> i think you're gleaning incorrect information
[14:56] <EvilResistance> the ffox default homepage isnt a google.com page
[14:56] <EvilResistance> its a page with google search *embedded*
[14:56] <holstein> http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/contact
[14:57] <EvilResistance> and having said this, i highly doubt google pays canonical for this, canonical doesnt financially fund the non-GNOME derivatives of ubuntu
[14:57] <EvilResistance> (so therefore, its the communities and groups which develop those flavors of Ubuntu's decision)
[14:57]  * EvilResistance knows this is the case in Kubuntu
[15:01] <a_b0y> oh
[15:01] <a_b0y> i don't trust google with my privacy
[15:02] <holstein> a_b0y: you dont have to use any of the software.. you can choose to remove, or install what you like
[15:02] <a_b0y> true
[15:02] <a_b0y> i'm going to do that when i finish installing
[15:03] <a_b0y> i just wish ubuntu made a smartphone o/s to replace android
[15:03] <holstein> ubuntu *is* that OS... its just not cool with the vendors to give you control to do that
[15:04] <a_b0y> do the vendors have to pay google to use google android?
[15:05] <holstein> you'd need to ask the vendor in question and/or google
[15:05] <holstein> im just saying, my phone does not allow me to choose to run ubuntu on it
[15:05] <holstein> but, theres nothing about ubuntu or linux that makes that a non-possibility
[15:06] <a_b0y> w youtube videos of people installing ubuntu on their smartphone somehow
[15:06] <a_b0y> i saw*
[15:06] <holstein> sure... some of them can be hacked to do it.. but there are consequences
[15:06] <holstein> and the vendors dont have to support you anymore, nor the carriers
[15:08] <holstein> i peronally dont hae a tin-foil hat.. i just have a phone thats locked down due to a buisness decision...
[15:08] <drlaban> a_b0y: Let's hope B2G becomes a consumer reality quick. That's a pretty interesting and real alternative to Android as well.
[15:08] <drlaban> consumer OS*
[15:09] <a_b0y> what is b2g?
[15:09] <drlaban> Boot2Gecko, Mozillas mobile device OS-suggestion
[15:09] <a_b0y> oh
[15:10] <drlaban> I'd pay a bit to get a hold of a developer phone but I have no idea of where to get one.
[15:12] <a_b0y> is this lunbuntu long term support?
[15:14] <drlaban> Well, Ubuntu (which this is based on) says, when i run: cat /etc/issue.net, "Ubuntu 12.04 LTS"
[15:15] <a_b0y> on wikipedia it says there is no long term support for ubuntu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubuntu
[15:15] <drlaban> Maybe that's "lxterminal in the Lubuntu I'm running, says..."
[15:15] <a_b0y> lubuntu*
[15:17] <drlaban> Well, I'm not certain that Lubuntu is LTS, but as said Ubuntu is. Look at a_b0y: Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop under the "Start download" button
[15:17] <a_b0y> yeah
[15:23] <phillw> Lubuntu 12.04 is not LTS. We do not have enough devs.
[15:24] <phillw> the security updates of kernel etc., will continue to be offered by 'main'.
[15:39] <Kalidarn> hmm what was the command line command to get it to update distribution version
[15:39] <Kalidarn> update-manager-core?
[15:39] <Kalidarn> oh update-manager that's right
[15:40] <AngelForget> very good lubuntu 12.04
[15:42] <Kalidarn> is it worth reinstalling or should the upgrade from oneric work smoothly
[15:52] <phillw> Kalidarn: the update manager should spot there is a new release (it will say Ubuntu, but it knows to upgrade Lubuntu)
[15:55] <Kalidarn> yeah i ssumed so
[15:56] <Kalidarn> its just i configured that oneiric system quite a lot and hope it doesn't break anything :)
[16:12] <tamm> i was wondering if i could get some help with the upgrade of lubuntu. it says a new version is available. its called "new ubuntu release 12.04 lts". will that still be lubuntu afterwards or will it replace lubuntu with ubuntu?
[16:14] <bioterror> yes
[16:14] <bioterror> it will use lubuntu-desktop for the upgrade
[16:14] <tamm> ah. i was not sure about that. thank you
[16:15] <bioterror> I bet Kubuntu behaves same way
[16:15] <bioterror> and Xubuntu too ;)
[16:15] <tamm> i wouldnt know really
[16:16] <bioterror> me either, but I love assuming :D
[16:53] <Kalidarn> when you click on that "update the installer" how long does that usually take
[16:54] <phillw> Kalidarn: depends on your computer, the speed of your internet connection & how hammered the servers are (they're absolutely hammered at the moment!).
[16:55] <Kalidarn> yeah i assumed that
[16:55] <Kalidarn> i wonder if it is critical
[16:56] <phillw> the installer update for a clean install is not essential unless you have 32bit programmes (e.g. skype) on a 64 bit system.
[16:56] <Kalidarn> oh okay nope
[16:57] <Kalidarn> i just want a fresh install on an old pc
[16:57] <Kalidarn> i like the new buttons they're nice and clean
[16:57] <Kalidarn> ubuntu sure knows how to do good themes
[16:57] <phillw> okay, if you have the iso, you can skip that & grab it once the servers have stopped melting :)
[16:58] <Kalidarn> yeah that's what i was going to do phillw :P
[16:58] <Kalidarn> im getting the kubuntu dvds i386/amd64 and ubuntu dvds off bitorrent because it's a lot faster
[16:58] <Kalidarn> and i have the upload, so i'll help seed
[16:59] <Kalidarn> unfortunately those never make their way off cdimage onto aarnet :P
[16:59] <phillw> It would be too complicated for me to host the update new version on the secondary server.
[16:59] <Kalidarn> i thought about waiting, and getting it at uni :)
[16:59] <Kalidarn> 100mbit link direct to the mirror
[17:00] <phillw> Kalidarn: the secondary server is also on 100Mb/s link. I was getting ~ 11,000 kBs when I did the last zsyncs from the master server.
[17:01] <Kalidarn> heh
[17:02] <Kalidarn> i do hope this works this time last time i ran the installer got some grub error and it bailed
[17:05] <phillw> Kalidarn: it should do, the devs had a sprint week on ubiquity a while back. There are some minor niggles with time-zone slection but that seems to be that the TZ server is also struggling.
[17:05] <Kalidarn> oh that worked perfectly :)
[17:06] <Kalidarn> it is surprising i think 12.04 has really got a lot of new users
[17:06] <Kalidarn> previous releases haven't crippled the servers like this :)
[17:07] <phillw> that was the general feed back during testing - hence thesii.org mirroring the lubuntu images :D
[17:07] <phillw> I had hoped to have a torrent server installed on it in time, but RL got in the way.
[17:08] <Kalidarn> are you part of the team?
[17:08] <Kalidarn> you kind of sound like it :)
[17:09] <phillw> I'm coordinator for the QA team, and also help out on the wiki pages when Chris is not available / has too much to do.
[17:09] <Kalidarn> ah fair enough
[17:10] <phillw> it's been a hectic last few weeks as we approached D-Day :)
[17:10] <Kalidarn> heh no doubt
[17:10] <Kalidarn> and as ubuntu is one of the most popular distros it gets a lot of attention
[17:10] <phillw> he he, lubuntu does not too badly according the stats :)
[17:11] <Kalidarn> *buntu is what i meant
[17:12] <Kalidarn> as not any specific variant
[17:12] <phillw> as we are family, we share resources; so our lubuntu testers will help other teams & *buntu will help us with problems we have
[17:12] <Kalidarn> yeah
[17:12] <Kalidarn> well it's all the same distribution :P
[17:14] <Kalidarn> i think my kubuntu system i'll use the dvd media for update, don't want to stress the servers anymore than they are
[17:14] <bioterror> stress them!
[17:14] <bioterror> they only live for these days!
[17:14] <Kalidarn> :D
[17:15] <phillw> bioterror: one the -release noted that it looks like a DDOS attack on release day :)
[17:16] <bioterror> :D
[17:16] <bioterror> yeah
[17:16] <bioterror> people hammerin ubuntu.com all the time
[17:16] <Kalidarn> need some better distributed apt protocol
[17:16] <Kalidarn> instead of ftp or http
[17:16] <bioterror> hammering f5 for refresh :D
[17:16] <Kalidarn> i remember reading you could run apt off freenet
[17:16] <Kalidarn> which is kind of distributed
[17:16] <phillw> I get my images early, one advantage of being a tester :D
[17:17] <Kalidarn> heh
[17:17] <phillw> you can upgrade from alternate image.
[17:18] <phillw> *buntu spots you have an installer iso in & asks if you want to use it.
[17:18] <phillw> I've never done it, but it is evidently possible.
[17:18] <Kalidarn> i kind of which lubuntu had a dvd iso, like ubuntu-12.04-dvd-amd64.iso
[17:18] <reflexrg> hey bioterror what's up man
[17:18] <Kalidarn> allowing for text, server, desktop etc
[17:18] <Kalidarn> these days i don't actually have too many CDRs
[17:19] <Kalidarn> dvds are the same price :P
[17:19] <bioterror> reflexrg, nothing much. pondering if I should open word and try to finish one essay :D
[17:19] <phillw> I have about 5 CDRWs and 5 DVDRWs - saves me running out of blanks :)
[17:20] <Kalidarn> is ubuntu doing the commercial printing?
[17:20] <Kalidarn> again like they used to, i remember in highschool... back in grade 10
[17:20] <bioterror> :D
[17:20] <Kalidarn> some guy brought 100s of ubuntu cds in
[17:20] <Kalidarn> and shared them
[17:20] <reflexrg> when was that?
[17:20] <Kalidarn> mmm 5.04 i think
[17:20] <bioterror> Kalidarn, it was awesome time
[17:20] <Kalidarn> could have been 5.10
[17:20] <Kalidarn> i remember i was using breezy badger at the time
[17:20] <phillw> yeah, Ubuntu still hand out Ubuntu CD's. The UK LoCo have an allocation,
[17:21] <bioterror> those can be ordered for some happenings
[17:21] <bioterror> like a demo scene happening
[17:21] <Kalidarn> unfortunately our campus uses RHEL
[17:21] <Kalidarn> on all the campus systems anyway
[17:22] <bioterror> that's becouse of support
[17:22] <Kalidarn> yeah but it's horribly out of date.
[17:22] <Kalidarn> tried using my vim configs, and vim had a cry my plugins required a newer version of vim :(
[17:22] <phillw> My best buy from the ubuntu-shop was the 4GB stick with ubuntu allready on it & branded. It has saved my bacon a few times now :D
[17:23] <Kalidarn> does ubuntu automatically align partitions properly now?
[17:23] <Kalidarn> like for ssd drives
[17:23] <Kalidarn> i remember i had to manually partition that so that it would pass http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/other/157
[17:25] <phillw> Kalidarn: it should, they did a lot of work on the installer.
[17:26] <Kalidarn> yeah i haven't tried it recently
[17:29] <Kalidarn> woot it worked that time
[17:29] <Kalidarn> not sure what that grub error was about
[17:30] <Kalidarn> mm android update 4.0.4 i swear every device is updating in my house today all at the same time
[17:31] <phillw> as 12.04 is an LTS for most, a heck of a lot of testing has gone into it.
[17:31] <Kalidarn> yeah
[17:31] <Kalidarn> im looking forward to it. i'm quite disillusioned with apple
[17:31] <Kalidarn> mountain lion certainly does not look impressive in the slightest
[17:31] <Kalidarn> just more social networking crap
[17:32] <Kalidarn> what i don't get is how on earth my friends have that much time they can spend on them
[17:32] <Kalidarn> essentially doing nothing
[17:33] <phillw> lubuntu has its first release for Macs (Intel & ppc) this cycle. Some long standing bugs for ppc have finally been squished owing to the devs having some testers who were willing to test things for them. Instead of the previous "well, here's how to fix it"
[17:34] <phillw> We've had a few scares along the way, one of the guys' test machine decided to throw up major errors.... sadly, it was the machine that was dying.
[17:36] <Kalidarn> who uses ppc these days
[17:36] <Kalidarn> ppc macs are old skool
[17:37] <phillw> Kalidarn: you have to remember that lubuntu is dedicated to older kit.
[17:38] <Kalidarn> ah that's true i guess
[17:38] <Kalidarn> the sort of users who'd certainly want something
[17:38] <bioterror> I'm running Lubuntu on Thinkpad T42 with 1.5GB of RAM and that computer is unusable
[17:38] <Kalidarn> i admit i do use Kubuntu on my modern systems, I only use lubuntu on my ancient laptop and a virtual machine
[17:39] <phillw> My Mum has only just upgraded machine as her ppc was the standard 'all in one' indigo and she needs a larger screen.
[17:39] <Kalidarn> i have a 1.82ghzcentrino with 1GB of ram i use it on
[17:39] <Kalidarn> (my oldest computer)
[17:40] <phillw> bioterror: I have no idea what you did to break it :D
[17:40] <bioterror> it's just sluggish
[17:40] <bioterror> 1.7GHz Pentium M
[17:41] <phillw> bioterror: did you go via core and just add in what you needed? such as xxxterm instead of Chromium etc?
[17:41] <bioterror> sure I did ;)
[17:42] <phillw> most odd, it runs a little sluggishly on a P2 with 64Mb of ram.
[18:49] <bartman_> hi guys. Just got the upgrade to 12.04 upgarde gui window and clicked the button to upgrade, was then presented with an option for "partial upgrade" and clicked "partial upgrade", then the gui vanished. I believe something is still running because I can't launch the upgrade gui again because it can't get a lock and I have a process called "precise" running taking up all available cpu...
[18:50] <bartman_> ideas?
[18:52] <jalundbe> I don't think partial upgrades are recomended
[18:53] <bartman_> understood.. I believe I got it because I have Chrome installed... it's the only thing I've installed from default
[18:54] <jalundbe> could be that the repo you are using is inconsistent, maybe wait a while
[18:57] <jalundbe> my upgrade tries to install pulseaudio among other things, I am not entirely pleased
[18:58] <phillw> bartman_: have a read of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1343434 it was written a while back, but what it says has never chenged.
[18:58] <phillw> s/chenged/changed
[19:03] <phillw> there are zero-day updates filtering through the system, as all the servers are hammered, the updates will most likely take 24 hours to arrive.
[19:06] <bartman_> so at this point what should I do?
[19:07] <bartman_> something is running but I don't know what it's doing and think it may be a bad idea to reboot
[19:13] <mickysantomax> Hi all
[19:13] <mickysantomax> can anyone halp me with a problem with Lubuntu 11.10 login ?
[19:14] <mickysantomax> My problem is that I installed the rabbitCSV software by the packet manager
[19:14] <mickysantomax> reboot the system
[19:14] <mickysantomax> and now login fails
[19:15] <mickysantomax> if I put right credentials seems that it would login
[19:15] <mickysantomax> but ask me login credential every time
[19:15] <mickysantomax> what could be the problem ?
[19:16] <bioterror> can you login from tty?
[19:16] <bioterror> ctrl+alt+f1
[19:16] <bioterror> alt+f7 brings you back to X11
[19:20] <mickysantomax> no I'm not because I run Lubuntu in virtual machine
[19:20] <mickysantomax> Sorry, I can't
[19:21] <mickysantomax> sorry for the error
[19:27] <mickysantomax> anyone know what could be the problem ?
[19:28] <bioterror> boot your virtual computer into tty
[19:28] <bioterror> cant say to init 3 as that doesnt exist anymore :D
[19:29] <mickysantomax> yes I do it
[19:29] <mickysantomax> now in logged in in tty successful
[19:30] <mickysantomax> and now ?
[19:32] <mickysantomax> what is init 3 ?
[19:33] <bioterror> okay
[19:33] <bioterror> so you can log into your system without a problem
[19:34] <mickysantomax> yes
[19:34] <bioterror> init 3 = text
[19:34] <bioterror> init 5 = graphics
[19:35] <mickysantomax> ok
[19:35] <mickysantomax> I typed "sudo init 5 = graphics"
[19:35] <mickysantomax> now ?
[19:36] <bioterror> you can try: sudo init 5
[19:36] <bioterror> but it wont work
[19:36] <mickysantomax> it doesn't say nothing
[19:37] <bioterror> mickysantomax, sudo service lxdm start
[19:37] <bioterror> was it 11.10?
[19:37] <mickysantomax> yes
[19:37] <bioterror> yeah
[19:37] <bioterror> start lxdm
[19:39] <mickysantomax> it returns: "job is already start"
[19:39] <bioterror> weird
[19:39] <mickysantomax> "job is already running: lxdm"
[19:39] <bioterror> instead of start, use restart
[19:40] <mickysantomax> ok
[19:41] <mickysantomax> just a moment, it is starting some other things, for example postgreSQL, VirtualBox guest additions and so on
[19:41] <mickysantomax> but it is too slow
[19:42] <mickysantomax> no, it doesn't work
[19:42] <mickysantomax> LXDE starts well
[19:43] <bioterror> good
[19:43] <bioterror> but you still cannot login?
[19:43] <mickysantomax> yes
[19:43] <mickysantomax> I cannot login
[19:43] <mickysantomax> with LXDE
[19:43] <mickysantomax> with tty yes
[19:44] <bioterror> rabbitcvs should not have any impact on those things regarding logging into desktop
[19:44] <mickysantomax> Yes, I think the same thing
[19:45] <mickysantomax> but I mess to say that previously I installed also the postgreSQL 9.1
[19:45] <mickysantomax> hence from Packet Manager
[19:46] <mickysantomax> sorry, also from Packet Manager
[19:47] <mickysantomax> infact, if I go to tty I see that the daemon for postgreSQL doesn't start
[19:50] <mickysantomax> no help ?
[19:54] <bioterror> mickysantomax, wondering why it would not let you login
[19:54] <mickysantomax> could be a disk space problem ?
[19:55] <bioterror> are you low on disk space?
[19:55] <mickysantomax> yes, now I'm verified this
[19:55] <bioterror> df -h
[19:55] <bioterror> :D
[19:56] <mickysantomax> yes I do it
[19:56] <mickysantomax> /dev/sda1 => dim. = 19 GB; Used 18 GB
[19:56] <bioterror> sudo apt-get clean
[19:57] <mickysantomax> oh yeah
[19:58] <mickysantomax> that was the problem
[19:58] <mickysantomax> I'm sorry for this stupid error
[19:58] <mickysantomax> thanks a lot bioterror
[19:58] <bioterror> :D
[19:58] <bioterror> you could also do: sudo apt-get autoremove --purge
[19:59] <mickysantomax> ok I will do it immediately
[20:03] <khmerog> hi
[20:04] <bioterror> evening
[20:04] <khmerog> is lubuntu and ubuntu related? same group of ppl made both of the os?
[20:04] <bioterror> no and yes
[20:04] <bioterror> the difference between Lubuntu and Ubuntu is what you see
[20:04] <bioterror> the desktop and the applications
[20:04] <khmerog> kk thnx...nice to see the update/releases came out same day
[20:05] <bioterror> what we have in our meetings decided to suit you the best ;)
[20:05] <khmerog> lubuntu is recommended for netbook or is there such thing as ubuntu Light/netbook version
[20:05] <bioterror> just regular lubuntu will do fine
[20:06] <khmerog> thanks..is there a way to install is while running ubuntu? i want to install it over ubuntu
[20:06] <khmerog> ubuntu laggs me too much on my netbook.
[20:06] <bioterror> yes
[20:07] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[20:07] <bioterror> and then
[20:07] <khmerog> can u please send me the link on how to install
[20:07] <bioterror> !purelxde | khmerog
[20:09] <khmerog> will this install lubuntu 12.04?
[20:09] <bioterror> if you have ubuntu 12.04, yes
[20:09] <khmerog> ohh..
[20:10] <khmerog> i have ubuntu 11.10
[20:10] <khmerog> so no?
[20:10] <khmerog> i hate wasting bandwidth lol
[20:10] <bioterror> it would install Lubuntu 11.10
[20:10] <bioterror> I dont, I have lots of to be wasted
[20:10] <bioterror> lots of it
[20:11] <khmerog> ok and then from lubuntu 11.10 i can install lub 12.04 from the updat manager?
[20:11] <bioterror> you can open terminal
[20:11] <bioterror> and run command: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[20:11] <khmerog> i had lots of it too..but near the end of the month not soo much
[20:11] <bioterror> khmerog, so you have quota for the traffic :(
[20:11] <khmerog> yeah 80gb
[20:12] <bioterror> huh :D
[20:12] <khmerog> u get 1 warning a year
[20:13] <khmerog> then u get suspended for 1 week if u continue to do it they raise ur monthly price
[20:15] <khmerog> bioterror how come u use lubuntu? do u have a netbook or low spec pc/latop?
[20:15] <bioterror> yes and no
[20:16] <bioterror> I just happen to use it, I found it around summer of 2010
[20:20] <khmerog> lubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu which one is the least - high system req. ?
[20:20] <bioterror> lubuntu is the best
[20:21] <bioterror> otherwise I would say gnome 3 with gnomeshell
[22:06] <rawfodog> Hi, I was wondering where failed unlock attempts in XSCREENSAVER log to in lubuntu.
[22:07] <rawfodog> If you get the password incorrect, it warns that the administrator has been contacted. I would like to know where to find this info.
[22:09] <Unit193> I thought it was in the authlog, no?
[22:18] <rawfodog> Unit193, I dont know where that is
[22:18] <rawfodog> Is there a log viewer or something in lubuntu I can use ?
[22:20] <Unit193> /var/log/
[22:21] <AngelForget> is very very good lubuntu 12.04 more compliment  for all
[22:23] <rawfodog> whens the next lubuntu release ?
[22:24] <Unit193> Oktober.
[22:26] <rawfodog> does todays ubuntu release mean anything for lubuntu ?
[22:27] <AngelForget> rawfodog,  is new Lubuntu 12.04
[22:28] <rawfodog> oh sweet !
[22:28] <rawfodog> Should I update ?
[22:28] <rawfodog> Ah why not :)
[22:29] <AngelForget> yes update
[22:29]  * rawfodog updates lubuntu
[22:29] <rawfodog> I hope my new wacom tablet works with this new one