[02:37] <head_victim> blahdeblah: I now have View, Edit, Revisions and Track. Thanks for sorting that
[02:37] <head_victim> I might have to hit you up one day for a drupal masterclass so I can actually be useful
[02:57] <blahdeblah> head_victim: good to hear
[02:58] <blahdeblah> But if you hit me up for a drupal master class, expect to come out knowing less than you did before. ;-)
[02:59] <head_victim> Hah "that's unpossible!"
[03:34] <blahdeblah> head_victim: You underestimate my unmasterness in Drupal. ;-)
[03:35] <blahdeblah> Anyway, now you should be able to edit it and see the HTML code for lines.
[03:35] <blahdeblah> links.
[03:35]  * blahdeblah obviously needs more coffee
[04:04] <head_victim> blahdeblah: cheers mate, coffee is useless for me, I've gone through 26 hours of awakeness
[04:14] <head_victim> Well I'll no doubt be back later. I promise next time I'll try to remember to do the links properly, if I don't make me go and edit them myself :D
[05:42] <Swathe> lol we put mates iphone sim in his my tab and the phone rang
[09:20] <LanoX> wow kitchen looks amazing
[09:20] <LanoX> Doc and steff
[09:20] <LanoX> great work boys
[09:28] <sagaci> Hi
[09:37] <sagaci> blahdeblah: ping
[10:24] <ozzynotwood_> Hello Room
[10:25] <sagaci> Room says hi
[10:26] <ozzynotwood_> Has anyone here used the program "Motion" for ubuntu?
[10:26] <sagaci> Security camera software, yeah?
[10:28] <ozzynotwood_> im having trouble with it, if I run sudo motion restart (the only way I can get it to work) all the saved images get deleted after i reboot, how do I stop this?
[10:29] <sagaci> Don't know, haven't used it
[10:31] <ozzynotwood_> ok, well from what i've read, its got something to do with me running the program as 'root', does that mean anything?
[10:32] <head_victim> ozzynotwood_: does it want you to run it as root or not run it as root?
[10:32] <ozzynotwood_> im not sure how it wants me to run it, but the only way I can run it is with "sudo motion restart", if i just run "motion" in the terminal it starts, but hangs.
[10:34] <head_victim> Were you following any guides?
[10:36] <ozzynotwood_> No, i looked around, but the only useful thing was finding the command "sudo motion restart" that actually got it working, getting it to work is fine, the problem is after the reboot the saved images are gone.
[10:36] <head_victim> ozzynotwood_: if not I'd suggest reading http://www.chriswpage.com/2009/05/setup-an-advanced-webcam-security-system-with-ubuntu-8-04-and-motion/ and http://infectedproject.wordpress.com/2007/06/26/set-up-a-webcam-security-system/ as they seem to be pretty thorough
[10:37] <head_victim> They show you how to back it up and configure it
[10:39] <ozzynotwood_> ok, there appears to be a way to backup everything using an external program, i will check this out, thanks alot mate!
[19:12]  * ikt dances


[00:00] <iceroot> wxl: its not affected
[00:00] <wxl> iceroot: that's what i find too oddly
[00:00] <iceroot> wxl: its using the default lubuntu gtk theme without this black bug
[00:00] <iceroot> i will post that on the bug and then go sleeping
[00:01] <wxl> k nite
[00:01] <CXIV> I made lubuntu on usb by usb creator and I cannot see my copied files on desktop
[00:01] <CXIV> ls shows them on desktop
[00:01] <CXIV> But they are invisible
[00:01] <CXIV> How fix that?
[00:02] <iceroot> CXIV: you are using an english system?
[00:02] <CXIV> Yes
[00:02] <iceroot> CXIV: because "desktop" is translated
[00:02] <iceroot> ok
[00:03] <iceroot> i have ~/desktop and ~/Arbeitsfläche and only ~/Arbeitsfläche is shown, everything in ~/desktop is ignored
[00:03] <CXIV> Its lubuntu with persistant save
[00:03] <iceroot> CXIV: do the files start with "."?
[00:03] <CXIV> So should I made new user?
[00:03] <iceroot> CXIV: are they readable by the current login user?
[00:04] <CXIV> Yes , they are.
[00:04] <CXIV> And I copied some folders there.
[00:04] <iceroot> CXIV: plese paste the output of "ls -all ~/desktop" and "whoami"
[00:04] <CXIV> ls shows them
[00:04] <iceroot> !paste | CXIV
[00:05] <CXIV> http://paste.ubuntu.com/856007/
[00:05] <CXIV> Its desktop
[00:06] <CXIV> It seems that live user desktop is locked.
[00:07] <Unit193> Mine uses ~/Desktop rather than ~/desktop
[00:07] <CXIV> I will make new user
[00:07] <iceroot> CXIV: do you have desktop and Desktop?
[00:07] <iceroot> in ~
[00:07] <CXIV> Desktop
[00:07] <iceroot> CXIV: ls -all ~/Desktop
[00:08] <CXIV> I pasted it :D
[00:08] <iceroot> Desktop != desktop
[00:08] <iceroot> so you changed it already?
[00:08] <CXIV> Sorry
[00:08] <CXIV> I forget about case sensitive thing
[00:09] <CXIV> Its ubuntu@ubuntu:~/Desktop$
[00:09] <CXIV> I haven't change anything
[00:09] <CXIV> brb
[00:09] <iceroot> CXIV: so when you put smething in ~/Desktop its there?
[00:14] <CXIV> I made new user.
[00:14] <CXIV> And i logged in again into live user.
[00:14] <CXIV> And now I can see folders.
[00:15] <CXIV> I will reboot now.
[01:43] <ignoredthoughts> lubuntu is AWESOME
[02:26] <Celltech> How do I change the clock to american time?
[02:27] <Celltech> Clock Format %R What's it for 12hr time?
[02:28] <phillw> Celltech: give me one mo
[02:28] <Celltech> Ok
[02:29] <phillw> I thought you asked a different Q.
[02:29] <phillw> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#I_have_an_English_desktop_and_I_want_calendar_week_to_start_from_Monday_instead_of_Sunday
[02:29] <phillw> does the setting of the day of the week, I'll go get the time version for you.
[02:30] <Celltech> Got it.
[02:30] <Celltech> Lowercase r
[02:30] <Celltech> Does lubuntu need restricted extras?
[02:31] <phillw> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/CustomizingTheClock
[02:33] <phillw> Celltech: only if you want to access the stuff not freely under licence, it can be added via https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#Playing_Restricted_Formats I'll let you guess which link to click on :)
[02:34] <Celltech> I just changed the clock. Now I'm wondering about restricted extras. Do I just instal the standard ubuntu ones?
[02:35] <phillw> Celltech: if you are running lubuntu... I'd suggest the lubuntu link?
[02:35] <Celltech> Where's that at ?
[02:36] <phillw> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#Playing_Restricted_Formats
[02:36] <phillw> Celltech: ^^
[02:36] <Celltech> Thank you
[02:36] <phillw> all 4 flavours are listed
[02:37] <Celltech> Link only opens chrome. Doesn't do anything
[02:38] <Unit193> apt:lubuntu-restricted-extras?section=universe?section=multiverse This link does? If so, odd...
[02:38] <Unit193> `sudo apt-get install lubuntu-restricted-extras`  at any rate
[02:40] <Celltech> That's better. Thank you again
[02:40] <phillw> Celltech: chromium should just ask for permission
[02:41] <phillw> if you say "yes" than it should get on and do it?
[02:41] <Celltech> It's installing.
[02:44] <phillw> Celltech: sudo apt get will do anything, just checking as to why the posted link does not.
[02:45] <Celltech> I'm still learning the sudo apt-get thing
[02:45] <Celltech> I just switched from Ubuntu, to Xubuntu, Just now to Lubuntu
[02:45] <Celltech> in a week
[04:09] <rawfodog> Does lubuntu run in seamless mode via virtualbox ? Do the additions work with it ?
[04:09] <rawfodog> Ive only tried a real install
[04:22] <phillw> rawfodog: I ran lubuntu in VB, it behaves perfectly, as would be expected from one of the ubuntu family. As to alpha's and beta's, well they are supposed to mis behave... that's why we have VB's :)
[04:24] <phillw> rawfodog: just make sure you add the 'additions' to each VB and not to the core, as ubuntu has KVM in the core and they will not work together.
[04:24] <phillw> you can remove kvm from the core if you wish.
[04:25] <rawfodog> thanks phillw
[04:25] <rawfodog> How do I specify that ? Won't running ./VBox___etc work ?
[04:29] <phillw> rawfodog: I use
[04:30] <phillw> used vbox from synaptics, then you get the newer version
[04:31] <phillw> rawfodog: pop over to #lubuntu-offtopic
[07:20] <rawfodog> so I cant get lubuntu guest additions working
[07:36] <rawfodog> apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r`
[07:36] <rawfodog> that worked
[07:36] <rawfodog> thanks lubuntu room
[09:50] <answerNOW> anyone here???!!!
[09:51] <answerNOW> Asnwer me now!!
[09:51] <answerNOW> HEy
[09:51] <answerNOW> which one should I get? Windows (zip) ~8MBWindows (exe) ~8MBUbuntu PPALinux (tgz, 32/64-bit) ~12MBMac OS X ~6MBor get the source code (GitHub
[09:51] <answerNOW> Which one?
[09:51] <answerNOW> which one?
[09:51] <Myrtti> huh?
[09:51] <Myrtti> what are you even talking about
[09:51] <answerNOW> which should I download for bitcoins
[09:52] <answerNOW> I'm trying to instal bitcoins
[09:52] <Myrtti> first of all, you need more patience
[09:52] <answerNOW> Windows (zip) ~8MBWindows (exe) ~8MB or Ubuntu PPALinux (tgz, 32/64-bit) ~12MB or Mac OS X ~6MBor get the source code (GitHub
[09:53] <Myrtti> answerNOW: well what do you think you should get?
[09:53] <answerNOW> sorry
[09:53] <answerNOW> whether ubuntu or PPA Linux
[09:53] <answerNOW> or get source code?
[09:53] <answerNOW> Windows (zip) ~8MBWindows (exe) ~8MB  or   Ubuntu   or   PPALinux (tgz, 32/64-bit) ~12MB  or  Mac OS X ~6MBor get the source code (GitHub
[09:54] <Myrtti> heyheyhey, we saw that on the first try
[09:54] <answerNOW> windows, ubuntu, PPA Linux or Mac OS
[09:54] <Myrtti> and are you sure it's Ubuntu OR PPA Linux?
[09:54] <answerNOW> so which one?
[09:54] <answerNOW> yes! two links!
[09:54] <answerNOW> one for ubuntu
[09:54] <answerNOW> another for PPA Linux
[09:55] <Myrtti> I'm looking at the website now, and it looks like it
[09:55] <Myrtti> s Ubuntu PPA *OR* Linux
[09:55] <answerNOW> k whatever but which one should I choose?
[09:55] <answerNOW> I'm using lubuntu oneric
[09:56] <answerNOW> 11.10
[09:56] <answerNOW> which one?
[09:56] <answerNOW> which one?
[09:56] <Myrtti> patience!
[09:58] <Myrtti> I could give you a quick answer so you'd stop asking, but I'm in the mood of showing you how to make the decision yourself in the future
[09:58] <Myrtti> so
[09:58] <answerNOW> so?
[09:58] <answerNOW> you're slow
[09:59] <answerNOW> very slow
[09:59] <Myrtti> and you really need more patience
[09:59] <answerNOW> I'm going to die!
[09:59] <answerNOW> but I dunno when
[09:59] <answerNOW> all human die
[09:59] <iceroot> answerNOW: i told you some days ago to leave this channel please
[09:59] <answerNOW> no no no
[10:00] <answerNOW> That's harsh
[10:00] <answerNOW> and not fair
[10:00] <Myrtti> if I tell you that most, if not all packages that are labeled as "Ubuntu packages", work in Lubuntu, would you be able to make an educated decision which one you should use?
[10:00] <iceroot> !guidelines | answerNOW
[10:01] <Myrtti> don't even let me start by telling you what's not fair and what is harsh.
[10:01] <answerNOW> what have I done, iceroot?
[10:01] <iceroot> answerNOW: you called people stupid the last time and so on
[10:02] <Myrtti> answerNOW: so, which link should you pick based on that information?
[10:02] <answerNOW> ubuntu but I dunnow which one I should pick now
[10:02] <answerNOW> iceroot, you don't have proof!
[10:02] <Myrtti> THERE IS ONLY ONE LINK THAT HAS WORD UBUNTU ON IT
[10:03] <iceroot> answerNOW: i guess the most important link for you is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[10:03] <answerNOW> there is 2 version for oneiric? which one?
[10:03] <answerNOW> 0.5.2-oneiric0
[10:03] <answerNOW> or 4.8.30-10oneiric3
[10:04] <Myrtti> "Adding this PPA to your system"
[10:04] <Myrtti> "You can update your system with unsupported packages from this untrusted PPA by adding ppa:bitcoin/bitcoin to your system's Software Sources."
[10:05] <Myrtti> there is a link after that text that says (Read about installing) - click it - it has information on how to do it.
[10:07] <answerNOW> that is the problem, where is the ppa?
[10:07] <answerNOW> sudo apt-get repository ____________?
[10:08] <iceroot> answerNOW: in the answer of Myrtti
[10:08] <Myrtti> all the information in the world is in your reach and available faster than we can type it for you, if you only search a bit, and use time in reading and understanding it.
[10:09] <answerNOW> E: Invalid operation repository
[10:09] <Myrtti> there is a link after that text that says (Read about installing) - click it - it has information on how to do it.
[10:09] <iceroot> answerNOW: /nick readingNOW
[10:09] <iceroot> answerNOW: if you flame people becuase they are "slow" do you really think that persons want to help you when all infos are already provided?
[10:10] <answerNOW> I did this, sudo apt-get repository ppa:bitcoin/bitcoin
[10:10] <answerNOW> E: Invalid operation repository
[10:10] <iceroot> answerNOW: reread the text
[10:10] <iceroot> !tab | answerNOW
[10:10] <answerNOW> hah?
[10:10] <iceroot> answerNOW: apt- TAB TAB
[10:11] <answerNOW> apt- TAB TAB
[10:11] <answerNOW> what?
[10:11] <Myrtti> answerNOW: the link on the page, it has a step by step instructions
[10:11] <iceroot> !ppa | answerNOW
[10:11] <Myrtti> answerNOW: there is a step 2
[10:11] <iceroot> !addppa | answerNOW
[10:11] <Myrtti> there is also a step 3
[10:12] <answerNOW> no step 3!
[10:12] <iceroot> answerNOW: are you a troll?
[10:12] <answerNOW> no way!
[10:12] <iceroot> answerNOW: ubottu told you the exact command
[10:13] <answerNOW> I'm here for bitcoins and the nick said it all, ASAP
[10:13] <Myrtti> I'm getting a bit bored at spoonfeeding
[10:13] <iceroot> answerNOW: then read the infos ASAP
[10:13] <iceroot> Myrtti: its just a troll, last time the same and he flamed people of being stupid
[10:14] <Myrtti> iceroot: I'm trying to give benefit of doubt and assume good faith
[10:14] <answerNOW> I'm not a troll
[10:14] <iceroot> Myrtti: have fun :)
[10:14] <Myrtti> although my good faith is running out very fast
[10:14] <answerNOW> I'm suing you
[10:14] <iceroot> Myrtti: but i am allowed to say "i told you"? after that?
[10:14] <Myrtti> that was my good faith running out.
[10:14] <Myrtti> sure
[10:14] <iceroot> :)
[10:15] <Myrtti> I knew it in the beginning, I just tried and tried to be nice
[10:15] <iceroot> that is the reason why i am not an op
[10:15] <iceroot> i would wait 10 seconds and hit the kick-alias
[10:16] <iceroot> as it seems this "spaces between lxpanel when using xfce4-power-manager" is an lxpanel bug
[10:17] <iceroot> after the latest dist-upgrade, if i move a window over my systray the systray does not get a redraw and i see e.g. my firefox on the nm-applet-icon
[10:19] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/846878
[10:23] <judgeKen> iceroot and myritti
[10:23] <judgeKen> after I add repository and update..then?
[10:23] <judgeKen> how do I install?
[10:23] <judgeKen> what is the code?
[10:23] <judgeKen> myrtti
[10:23] <judgeKen> ikonia
[10:24] <judgeKen> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:bitcoin:bitcoin
[10:24] <judgeKen> then
[10:24] <judgeKen> sudo apt-get update
[10:29] <ngaum> I have a concern
[10:29] <ngaum> sudo apt-get install bitcoin Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package bitcoin
[10:29] <ngaum> sudo apt-get install bitcoin
[10:29] <ngaum> Reading package lists...
[10:29] <ngaum> Done Building dependency tree
[10:29] <ngaum> Reading state information... Done
[10:30] <ngaum> ikonia
[10:30] <ngaum> well what happened?
[10:30] <ngaum> E: Unable to locate package bitcoin
[10:30] <ngaum> kghk
[10:30] <Myrtti> you not only show a huge amount of inpatience, you're also incredibly rude
[10:30] <ngaum> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:bitcoin/bitcoin
[10:31] <ngaum> sudo apt-get update
[10:31] <Myrtti> why are you hilighting random people?
[10:31] <ngaum> didn't work
[10:32]  * iceroot is holding the "i told you trigger" again
[10:32] <smile> :o
[10:35] <ikonia> errr why did nagm just ping me ?
[10:35] <ikonia> and I assume judgeKen is the same
[10:55] <solojin> howdy there! loving lubuntu and just found this place. was hoping to get help with a small matter. :D
[10:57] <solojin> im using wine and im trying to move a few files around in the "virtual" c drive but whenever i open the c drive it opens in my chromium browser, anyone know how to get it to open in a regular window so i can move a few things around?
[11:07] <smile> solojin: just start pcmanfm (file manager) and go to /home/user/.config/wine
[11:07] <smile> there is a c directory in it i think :)
[11:07] <solojin> right
[11:08] <solojin> but when i click the c drive it opens in my web browser
[11:08] <solojin> and i cant copy or paste anything from file manager to the web browser lol
[11:09] <smile> xD
[11:10] <smile> solojin: you tried right click => open? ;)
[11:10] <smile> (in pcmanfm :p )
[11:10] <solojin> yeah :D
[11:10] <solojin> and in the .config folder there is no wine folder
[11:11] <solojin> theres a .wine folder in the same directory as the .config tho
[11:12] <solojin> the path i was trying was menu://applications/wine-wine
[11:12] <Myrtti> I thought it was .wine/drive_c/
[11:13] <solojin> strangely my files arent in that directory
[11:13] <solojin> but when i browse to them through menu://applications/wine-wine i can see them in my web browser lol
[11:15] <solojin> ok well i guess what im really doing is using winetricks to browse the files
[11:15] <solojin> so the wierd thing is i can use winetricks to find the files but then they arent there if i browse to them normally
[11:32] <solojin> i give up good night D:
[11:51] <thor_> How do get htop to run in lxterminal when click on the htop icon
[11:52] <thor_> how do i
[11:53] <thor_> i dont no howto
[13:23] <jailtonpierre> I'm having some difficulties about icons on desktop. Can you help me?
[13:25] <jailtonpierre> I'm having some difficulties about icons on desktop. Can you help me?
[13:28] <jailtonpierre> nobody?
[13:33] <phillw> jailtonpierre: what problems?
[13:34] <jailtonpierre> I don't know how to create icons
[13:35] <phillw> jailtonpierre: take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#How_can_I_create_a_shortcut_on_the_Desktop
[13:35] <jailtonpierre> for programs and folders
[13:35] <jailtonpierre> Thanks
[13:35] <jailtonpierre> I'll try
[13:38] <jailtonpierre> phillw: thanks again, it worked
[13:43] <phillw> yvw
[13:44] <jailtonpierre> you know anything about a lubuntu software center?
[13:44] <phillw> jailtonpierre: yeah, it is a low resource version of the ubuntu software center.
[13:49] <jailtonpierre> but is it working?
[14:24] <milen8204> hello all how can I set desktop change to be whit Ctrl+ALt+Left not whit mouse scroll ?
[15:42] <milen8204> how can I share a afolder in Lubuntu ?
[17:25] <ignoredthoughts> Celltech: how much RAM is your Lubuntu using at idle?
[18:04] <Boris_> hello
[18:06] <Boris_> i need some help if possible...
[18:07] <Boris_> i'm running on lubuntu and i updated to 11.10 when it was released and had no issue
[18:07] <valdur55> And what is your issue?
[18:08] <Boris_> a few days ago, i had to create an user account for a friend with limited acces and i deleted it later
[18:08] <Boris_> but now i can't log in
[18:08] <Boris_> i've tried to change password using the recovery mode but dosen't change anything
[18:09] <valdur55> can you login with you limited account?
[18:10] <Boris_> i delete the limited account a few daays ago
[18:11] <Boris_> i found out on the web that it's was u know bug and a searched for a solution but nothing i've tried has worked
[18:11] <Boris_> *a known bug
[18:12] <valdur55> Boris_, maybe you get your answer on #ubuntu room.
[18:13] <Boris_> i heard it was a bug with a file named Xauthority but can't find it
[18:13] <Boris_> i'll go chack on that room
[18:13] <Boris_> thanks for your help
[18:25] <phillw> Boris_: it will most likely be .IDEAuthority
[18:35] <phillw> Boris_: sorry for the delay, it is Xuathority, usually the permissions have been messed up.
[18:37] <Guest15844> Hello all. Looking for assistance with Lubuntu 12.04 booting in Virtualbox. Is this the right place? Thanks.
[18:38] <Unit193> Well, not if you don't ask your question...
[18:39] <Guest15844> Thanks. While booting 12.04 is booting in VB I'm dumped to a CL. This happens in live and install options. Any ideas?
[18:40] <Unit193> Big long thread in the mailing list, phillw may be able to remember some of it, but generally, it's a dev version, it's not going to work out the best for now.
[18:41] <Guest15844> Not going to work best for now ... for VB in particular or booting in general?
[18:41] <Unit193> In general, but he may have ideas.
[18:42] <phillw> Guest15844: I have seen the issue mentioned - I'm trying to find a bug report for you.
[18:42] <phillw> I can only find a reference for ppc
[18:43] <Guest15844> Thanks phillw, appreciate the effort.
[18:43] <phillw> Guest15844: can you start lubuntu?
[18:43] <phillw> from CLI?
[18:44] <Guest15844> The only command I attempted from CLI was 'startx' and it failed.
[18:45] <Unit193> I got it to work once by starting x, then `startlubuntu`, but that was an odd way and a while ago...
[18:45] <Guest15844> I'll give 'startlubuntu' a try ...
[18:46] <phillw> Unit193: I'm also struggling to dust off my memory cells, it's been a while since I faced this one :(
[18:47] <Guest15844> for reference: Originally got no boot, until manually selected PAE option in VB.
[18:49] <phillw> Guest15844: try /usr/bin/startlubuntu
[18:49] <Guest15844> Feedback: 'startlubuntu' from CLI give output - GTK warning cannot open display
[18:52] <Unit193> Either `sudo service lightdm start` or `sudo X` and type the `startlubuntu` only for the second in another TTY
[18:54] <phillw> Guest15844: are you using the latest daily for 12.04?
[18:56] <Guest15844> iso date is 2/25/2012, d/l'd it about 30 minutes ago.
[18:57] <phillw> Guest15844: it is possible the build has a major gremlin. Infuriatingly I do not have my VM's running.
[18:58] <Guest15844> phillw - thanks. tyring Unit193 advice - gave 'sudo X' command - for clarity now I should go to 2nd TTY and issue 'startlubuntu'?
[18:58] <Unit193> Might be worth a shot...
[18:59] <Unit193> At best.
[18:59] <Guest15844> Forgive me, how to open a second TTY from VB screen? Pecking around but no joy yet...
[18:59] <phillw> Guest15844: when testing, expect it to break - the 'fun' is in reporting what broke & what you did to fix it.
[19:00] <Guest15844> I agree.
[19:00] <Unit193> Think it's the command char +F2?
[19:00] <phillw> ctrl
[19:00] <Guest15844> thanks, standby
[19:01] <phillw> fortunantely linux does keep a few spare console logins :)
[19:04] <Guest15844> sudo x - starts the boot process, but in locks with a blank screen (as far as I can tell) and was never able to switch TTY's <con't>
[19:06] <Unit193> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8109343&postcount=2 ?
[19:06] <Guest15844> sudo service lightdm start - command not found
[19:06] <Guest15844> Unit193 - going to your link now ...
[19:08] <Unit193> Hmmm... We should be using lightdm, but you can check in /etc/init.d/ if you really want (and sudo /etc/init.d/*whatever*dm start )
[19:08] <Guest15844> Good info on VB TTY switching ... trying to boot again now
[19:08] <Unit193> Well, it worked once, but not really sure I remember what I did exactly.
[19:15] <Guest15844> got to a second tty and can also now see output on sudo x command - from 2nd tty startlubuntu gives: GTK warning cannot open display
[19:18] <Guest15844> feedback on sudo x command: the boot seems to die on error - failed to load module 'vboxvideo' module does not exist
[19:22] <phillw> Guest15844: that is a vbox problem, not a lubuntu one :(
[19:26] <Guest15844> Could be my VB version (4.0.6). I think this is a little old.
[19:26] <phillw> Guest15844: as I do not have access to VB, the best I can find is http://forums.funtoo.org/viewtopic.php?pid=4055
[19:27] <phillw> Guest15844: yeah, it may be worth updating to the newest one.
[19:30] <Guest15844> Got to go. Out of playtime for now. Thanks for the help everyone.
[20:12] <thor_> I've just tested lubuntu 12.04 daily-live 64bit in virtualbox and come only to black terminal?
[20:14] <valdur55> thor_, same here, wait next build.... startx fails...
[20:16] <thor_> valdur55: Do you mean that it's okay tomorrow
[20:16] <valdur55> thor_, maybe yes, maybe not
[20:17] <thor_> valdur55:  ok :)
[20:18] <valdur55> thor_, try startx and you get some driver failure
[20:19] <thor_> valdur55:  've tried it and it did not help
[20:19] <valdur55> did you get driver erros?
[20:20] <thor_> valdur55: maybe but can not remember it
[20:21] <valdur55> ok :). It's simpler to wait new daily build.
[20:22] <thor_> valdur55:  indeed he he
[20:31] <uskerine> hi, how can i config a given and limited set of applications in the launch button of the task bar for a certain user?
[20:31] <uskerine> so that specific user can not access all installed applications but a few specific ones
[23:47] <trakinas> hi guys! Im trying to start memtest, but it looks like it is doing nothing/not starting
[23:48] <jason2007> did you try starting it threw terminal?
[23:49] <trakinas> to run memtest with my system booted
[23:49] <trakinas> ?
[23:49] <trakinas> or in grub terminal?


[17:21] <scootergrisen> Can anyone help me getting danish translation included in the ISO files? So i can use danish translation live without having to install it after loggin in and then having to log out and log in to use the new language
[17:22] <scootergrisen> I tried selecting deutsh during boot and that unity translation seems to be included in the ISO.


[12:12] <kwwii_> I do not think that they can do it in the installer legally
[12:12] <Tonio_> danimo: not more than an amarok script that installs mp3 support
[12:12] <Tonio_> it is exactly the same, and we already do that
[12:12] <zorglu_> so the package way seems a good alternative, no ?
[12:12] <danimo> Tonio_: I was surprised that that was allowed in
[12:12] <kwwii_> btw...anyone seen the new amarok theme?
[12:12] <Tonio_> danimo: me too....
[12:12] <danimo> Tonio_: actually, I am surprised that universe/multiverse are hosted by them
[12:13] <Tonio_> danimo: but legally there is no difference between the mp3 install script and an installer option to activate universe and multiverse
[12:13] <danimo> Tonio_: (I don't belive that none of the ubuntu mirrors is)
[12:13] <Tonio_> danimo: universe is not a risk
[12:13] <Tonio_> danimo: concerning multiverse, I agree
[12:13] <danimo> Tonio_: isn't e.g. libmad in universe?
[12:13] <Tonio_> danimo: hum....... I don't think so
[12:13] <zorglu_> "sudo apt-get install universe-repo-config" is easier for the user as he can cut/paste the command and less error prone
[12:14] <Tonio_> danimo: haha ;) Filename: pool/main/libm/libmad/libmad0_0.15.1b-2.1_i386.deb
[12:14] <danimo> Tonio_: and the really "hot" stuff (libdeecss) isn't even in there
[12:14] <Tonio_> it is in MAIN
[12:14] <Tonio_> my god !
[12:14] <danimo> Tonio_: wtf?
[12:14] <Tonio_> danimo: maybe they bought the mp3 licence....
[12:14] <beligum> Hi all
[12:14] <danimo> Tonio_: no, then it would be in the canonical extra repo
[12:15] <Tonio_> danimo: nope, since libmad0 is free, which opera isn't for example
[12:15] <Tonio_> I think the commercial repo is for proprietary softwares
[12:15] <zorglu_> hehe :) ok guys why not let their lawer handle the legal matter and focus on the usuability matter ? what about a package ? :)
[12:15] <Tonio_> like for example googleearth, it could go in the commercial repo one day
[12:15] <Tonio_> but that's just my feeling, maybe I'm wrong
[12:16] <Tonio_> the point is libmad0 is in main
[12:16] <danimo> Tonio_: does the changelog say something?
[12:16] <zorglu_> i am under the impression that such pacakge is trivial to write for people doing package all day, am i correct ?
[12:16] <Tonio_> danimo: let me check
[12:17] <danimo> Tonio_: never touched by ubuntu guys it seems
[12:17] <Tonio_> danimo: nope, nothing in the changelog
[12:17] <Tonio_> danimo: yes it is a direct sync from debian
[12:18] <danimo> Tonio_: aren't repo switches recorded somewhere?
[12:19] <Tonio_> danimo: look at main inclusion queue on the wiki....
[12:19] <Tonio_> danimo: you should see it if it has been included in main
[12:19] <Tonio_> zorglu_: nope, not that easy to do, for a simple reason, it is impossible to guess what is the sources.list of the user
[12:19] <Tonio_> so it is not that easy of you want something clean
[12:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's always been in main
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ? that's surprising, since there are parterns on mp3 I think
[12:20] <danimo> Riddell: just not on the cd?
[12:20] <Tonio_> zorglu_: that's why the ideal would be to ask that during the installation
[12:20] <Riddell> danimo has it
[12:20] <Tonio_> zorglu_: but that'll never happen :)
[12:20] <Riddell> makes do different what repository it's in
[12:20] <Riddell> s/do/no/
[12:21] <zorglu_> Tonio_: you dont have to modify the /etc/apt/sources.list, putting a new file in the /etc/apt/sources.d/ will do, no ?
[12:21] <zorglu_> Tonio_: yep i understand that modifying the installer wont be accepted,
[12:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: however if you want to split out themp3 stuff from akode and tunepimp nobody would complain
[12:22] <danimo> Riddell: so is this why is the amarok script acceptable?
[12:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: no no, thank you :)
[12:22] <danimo> Riddell: and why does it include universe when libmad0 is in main?
[12:22] <Riddell> danimo: libxine-extracodecs is in multiverse
[12:23] <danimo> Riddell: ok, but why not decouple mp3 support from there
[12:23] <Riddell> danimo: from where?
[12:23] <danimo> Riddell: and why is libmad in main?
[12:23] <danimo> extracodecs
[12:24] <Riddell> danimo: libmad is in main because of akode and tunepimp
[12:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes but you said "no matter what the repo is"
[12:24] <Riddell> danimo: mp3 is in libxine-extracodecs because it can not go in libxine which is on the CD
[12:25] <zorglu_> btw would the issue of mp3 patent goes away if everybody start using the fluendo code (which is legal) ?
[12:25] <Riddell> if by fluendo code you mean gstreamer, not really
[12:26] <Riddell> since amarok and kaffeine don't currently support gstreamer
[12:26] <Riddell> and people would still want to play mp3 files
[12:26] <Tonio_> zorglu_: afaik a patent cannot by avoided by any kind of code
[12:26] <zorglu_> could they hack some workaround ? like a wrapper ?
[12:26] <Riddell> oh, you mean the fluendo gstreamer mp3 plugin
[12:26] <Tonio_> zorglu_: since the patent is on the "concept" or the simple access to a file format...
[12:26] <Riddell> no, that's not GPL compatible
[12:26] <zorglu_> Tonio_: yep but fluendo paid for the patent http://www.fluendo.com/resources/fluendo_mp3.php
[12:26] <danimo> does gstreamer really bye a free-from-jail card for all gstreamer-users with their plugin?
[12:26] <Tonio_> zorglu_: if they paid, yes, that's different
[12:27] <zorglu_> rhmm too bad
[12:27] <Riddell> danimo: no, it has copying restrictions
[12:27] <zorglu_> ok what about my suggestion about a package to ease the configuration of universe/multiverse ?
[12:27] <Riddell> and amarok is GPL, so no go there
[12:27] <Riddell> zorglu_: that's what we have, Amarok does that
[12:27] <Riddell> in Edgy
[12:28] <kwwii_> ok, /me goes totally freaky and includes whatever the hell he likes...you'll be recieveing emails including instructions soon!
[12:28] <Tonio_> kwwii_: hehe :)
[12:28] <Riddell> kwwii_: mind the beta next week
[12:28] <Riddell> kwwii_: freeze on 21st
[12:28] <kwwii_> oh, no....no response means we'll run the limit :p
[12:28] <kwwii_> 21st
[12:29] <kwwii_> wow
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: it would be nice to resolve the kdeprint issue before the beta is out, since it'll be widelly tested...
[12:29] <danimo> Riddell: the media stuff is totally broken for me btw :(
[12:29] <kwwii_> Riddell: after that, no more fun? just serious bug fixing?
[12:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: true; danimo: true
[12:29] <Riddell> kwwii_: in theory...
[12:29] <zorglu_> :))))))))
[12:29] <kwwii_> gotcha
[12:29] <danimo> Riddell: when I insert a USB drive and the dialog opens, it tells me "invalid url"
[12:29] <zorglu_> the new concept of freezing :)
[12:30] <Riddell> danimo: talk to _Sime_
[12:30] <kwwii_> it is practically speaking the last chance to try something a bit different art-wise
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning kdeprint, I searched without any success.... just one thing is sure, the issue is not a simple 'foomatic-cleanupdrivers' :)
[12:30] <Riddell> danimo: I guess we'll make a decision shortly after beta on whether we keep in those patches or not
[12:30] <zorglu_> ok is worthy for me to retry/rexmit later about the universe config package ? or it is just not a good idea ?
[12:30] <Tonio_> danimo: new kdebase upload should resolve this I assume
[12:31] <kwwii_> I still think we should use the yellow-purple version of the wallpaper
[12:31] <danimo> ok
[12:31] <Riddell> kwwii_: current one is more popular
[12:31] <danimo> more purple looks too much sun'ish
[12:33] <kwwii_> Riddell: I still think I will reduce the saturation of the edges so that people don't think their monitor is broken
[12:33] <zorglu_> [00:33]  <Hawkwind> ditte: Your sources list is incorrect
[12:33] <zorglu_> [00:33]  <Hawkwind> ditte: You need to add multiverse to the lines that have universe on them
[12:33] <zorglu_> 10sec ago :)
[12:33] <zorglu_> ok i will rxmit later :)
[12:33] <Tonio_> zorglu_: yeah I know
[12:34] <Hawkwind> zorglu_: Huh ?
[12:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: couldn't "add universe and multiverse" be asked by adept at the first launch ?
[12:34] <Tonio_> there are options to activate this in synaptic
[12:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: patches welcome
[12:34] <zorglu_> Hawkwind: nothing personnal, i was just trying to get an easier way for the user to config their unniverse/multiverse
[12:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: will think about it, but adept's code is......... complicated for me :)
[12:35] <zorglu_> Hawkwind: and you just happened to deal with the Xieme user having this particular issue :)
[12:35] <Hawkwind> zorglu_: As in using Adept I assume ?
[12:35] <Hawkwind> zorglu_: Ah gotcha
[12:35] <mornfall> bleh
[12:35] <kwwii_> ok, tomorrow we can update the k-d-s stuff...I have enough together to make it worth it
[12:35] <zorglu_> Hawkwind: more as in 'sudo apt-get install config-universe-repo' i think this is trivial to write such package, not too sure tho
[12:35] <Tonio_> mornfall: hehe, highlighting "adept" ?  ;)
[12:35] <mornfall> Tonio_: yes, in this channel
[12:35] <mornfall> i should stop :p
[12:36] <Tonio_> mornfall: hehe
[12:36] <Hawkwind> zorglu_: Nice.  That would certainly make life easier and less repetative :)
[12:36] <Tonio_> mornfall: so yes, how about an option to activate universe and multiverse ?
[12:36] <mornfall> well
[12:36] <zorglu_> Hawkwind: push with me :)
[12:36] <Tonio_> mornfall: I agree it is the n1 issue for newbies on channels...
[12:36] <mornfall> someone promised it'll be on by default
[12:36] <toma> tabbed email, OMG that is fantastic
[12:36] <mornfall> so i didn't care anymore
[12:37] <Tonio_> mornfall: ah ?
[12:37] <Riddell> yes, it was due to be on by default
[12:37] <mornfall> in paris at least
[12:37] <Riddell> which is why we didn't look at it in paris
[12:37] <Hawkwind> Repeating that over and over all the time gets a bit old. A simple command such as the one mentioned above would save tons of time for everyone and make life easier for new users
[12:37] <Tonio_> well that would be nice, but I'm surprised that could happen
[12:37] <mornfall> Hawkwind: what's your problem? a little sour? or bitter?
[12:38] <zorglu_> 'sudo apt-get install config-universe-repo' which would simply add a file in /etc/apt/source.d/ <- how hard it is to write such package ?
[12:38] <Hawkwind> mornfall: Neither actually.  Just suggesting that we should make life as easy as possible when it comes to enabling repos
[12:38] <Riddell> it's not hard to enable currently, right click->enable.  writing a howto wouldn't be hard and make answering questions a URL
[12:38] <mornfall> go and do :)
[12:38] <Hawkwind> mornfall: I don't mind repeating myself.  But a lot of users have asked how to simplify it if possible and unfortunately there doesn't seem to be such an option
[12:39] <danimo> does anyone see a console symbol when typing "konversation" in minicli?
[12:39] <zorglu_> Riddell: people finds it hard :)
[12:39] <mornfall> yeah, the repo manager is screwed
[12:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: well you have to know what line to activate.... there are lots and lots of lines in the default sources.list
[12:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: for a newbie, that file is non very understandable, although it is not licalized....
[12:40] <zorglu_> Tonio_: Riddell: yep i think that usning /etc/apt/sources.d would make the matter easier
[12:40] <mornfall> zorglu_: how so?
[12:41] <mornfall> append a line or add a file... sounds about same complexity
[12:41] <Riddell> zorglu_: it wouldn't because none of the GUIs support it
[12:41] <mornfall> it doesn't make much sense to have it controlled by a package IMO
[12:41] <mornfall> it's a setting
[12:41] <Hawkwind> Since everyone basically needs/wants both universe and multiverse, why not make them default ?
[12:41] <zorglu_> mornfall: you only have to copy/remove one file per repository, as opposed to edit a 'large' file
[12:41] <zorglu_> Riddell: this is a real argument :)
[12:42] <mornfall> zorglu_: wow, large file :) dozens of lines, am scared :p
[12:42] <Tonio_> _Sime_: kdebase uploaded (finally...........)
[12:42] <zorglu_> Riddell: how many gui read this /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:42] <Hawkwind> Tonio_: I agree.  The file is not all that *user friendly* to a brand new linux user
[12:42] <Riddell> zorglu_: all of them?
[12:42] <Tonio_> zorglu_: all GUIs
[12:42] <zorglu_> mornfall: you are not, but a beginner is :) it is not a impression i got, it is output from #kubuntu
[12:42] <mornfall> umm
[12:43] <zorglu_> Riddell: how many is that ? :) i mean too many to be modified ?
[12:43] <mornfall> zorglu_: come on, i was talking about a script
[12:43] <mornfall> zorglu_: not about a newbie with an editor
[12:43] <mornfall> zorglu_: it shouldn't be hard to script with pyqt or something a small dialog that has maybe some checkboxes in it and enables what needs to be enabled
[12:43] <mornfall> or kommander if that's in default install
[12:44] <Tonio_> mornfall: it isn't :)
[12:44] <zorglu_> good :)
[12:44] <mornfall> Riddell: good idea
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: night !
[12:45] <zorglu_> well just wanted to point out this issue :) as a report from #kubuntu. not always easy to find out what is hard for beginner :)
[12:46] <mornfall> night...
[12:46] <zorglu_> ok bed for me too
[12:46] <Tonio_> mornfall: good night
[12:47] <Tonio_> mornfall: that could even be done by a shellscript and kdialog I think...
[12:47] <Tonio_> mornfall: I'm having a look
[01:01] <kwwii_> how does one reconfigure sound??
[01:02] <kwwii_> as in,until now my sound does't work
[03:14] <bddebian> Heya
[03:15] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[03:15] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[03:46] <jdong_> *sigh*, no, the kernel update did not break your wine.....
[03:46] <bddebian> Is that wine or whine? :-)
[03:46] <jdong_> bddebian: I'm just amused what people are blaming on the recent kernel updates :)
[03:46] <jdong_> grub errors, dpkg/status corruption....
[03:46] <jdong_> you name it :)
[03:47] <bddebian> :-)
[03:47] <bddebian> I think the latest kernel update broke my CPU and Canonical needs to buy me a Core Duo system.. ;-P
[03:47] <jdong_> yeah, I think that happened here, too
[03:47] <jdong_> I keep on typing in apt-get install conroe-extreme and nothing happens
[03:47] <bddebian> Heh
[03:49] <crimsun> I'm still awaiting a pony.
[03:49] <jdong_> crimsun: your ALSA patches broke my pony :P
[03:50] <crimsun> clarify?
[03:51] <bddebian> No longer sounds coming from the appropriate orafices?
[03:51] <jdong_> crimsun: I'm messing with you
[03:51] <crimsun> I generally don't joke about alsa, so if it broke...
[03:51] <jdong_> :)
[03:52] <jdong_> bddebian: I used to have more mixer channels :)
[03:52] <bddebian> jdong_: crimsun doesn't joke in general which is why he hates me :-)
[03:53] <crimsun> bddebian and I have history. Apparently he carted a pony intended for me to some animal rights organisation.
[03:53] <crimsun> that coupled with the "no pony for you" picture was just too much to bear
[03:53] <bddebian> heh
[04:13] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[04:13] <Jucato> Hobbsee!! :)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal, Jucato
[04:21] <nixternal> mine never has problems booting, just rebooting and shutting down
[04:21] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:21] <Jucato> :)
[04:30] <Jucato> ooh.... dangerous
[04:31] <Jucato> pirate day?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> yep
[04:31] <Hobbsee> the guys in #amarok related channels are having fun with it :P
[04:31] <Jucato> heh
[04:39] <SwordedHobbsee> Jucato: yarrr!
[04:39] <Jucato> elow matey! :)
[04:39] <SwordedHobbsee> aye!
[04:41] <ajmitch> oh dear
[04:41] <ajmitch> someone take it away from her, please
[04:42] <Jucato> I'd hate to be the one to do that :P
[04:42] <SwordedHobbsee> hehe
[04:44] <ajmitch> Jucato: then you distract her
[04:44] <Jucato> heh
[04:44] <Jucato> here Hobbsee Hobbsee. here girl...
[04:45] <SwordedHobbsee> a few fast jabs were effective :)
[04:45] <Jucato> :)
[04:45] <SwordedHobbsee> you cant.
[04:45] <bddebian> hah
[04:45] <Jucato> hm... a pirate with a kangaroo instead of a parrot...
[04:45] <bddebian> I thought it was a wombat?
[04:48] <SwordedHobbsee> no
[05:17] <nixternal> oh no..quit yielding weapons Hobbsee ;)
[05:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:24] <bddebian> nixternal: Any particular reason for jumping Debian on all these packages?
[05:25] <nixternal> jumping them how?
[05:25] <nixternal> i can't even jump rope
[05:25] <bddebian> qucs for example.  Debian has 0.9 and you have uploaded .10 :-)
[05:26] <nixternal> how was i supposed to do it?
[05:26] <nixternal> im a no0b at it, i apologize
[05:26] <bddebian> I am asking if it was necessary?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> probably get a DD to sponsor you, and sync it :P
[05:26] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Debian doesn't have the version he uploaded :-)
[05:26] <bddebian> Oh, a DD..
[05:26] <Hobbsee> bddebian: well, yes, obviously :P
[05:26] <bddebian> Damn, I can't read tonight
[05:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:28] <nixternal> bddebian: in the future, how should i go about this?  so i don't "jump debian"
[05:28] <bddebian> nixternal: If there is a valid reason it's fine.  If not, probably best to poke Debian as Hobbsee suggests, if possible
[05:29] <nixternal> ok, so if there is updates to a version, go through debian first?
[05:29] <bddebian> Ideally but not always possible
[05:30] <ajmitch> debian maintainers aren't always responsive
[05:30] <nixternal> ok..so if it is possible, poke one of their devs on oftc, let them know of the update, wait for them to update, and then request a sync?
[05:30] <nixternal> or a merge
[05:30] <bddebian> nixternal: Ideally sure.  Or file a BTS bug and point to your diff/packages if you have already done the work
[05:31] <nixternal> ok, BTS stands for?
[05:31] <nixternal> build team...
[05:31] <nixternal> heh
[05:31] <bddebian> Bug Tracking System
[05:31] <nixternal> omg
[05:31] <bddebian>  http://bugs.debian.org
[05:31] <nixternal> ya
[05:31] <nixternal> im there already looking dead at BTS  ;)
[05:31] <ajmitch> poking people on irc may not be the best way at times
[05:33] <nixternal> ok, so if i do my diff/packages, put them on revu, then i could place a link in the bug..got it...email as well, but im always on irc, so it is my main mode of communications
[05:33] <nixternal> even my x-wife knows she can get me here before i answer the phone ;)
[05:35] <bddebian> nixternal: Mine too and it bites me in the ass a lot :)
[05:35] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:35] <nixternal> i hear you
[05:35] <nixternal> cuz she will sneak in on me
[05:36] <nixternal> i stopped using Kopete as it gave me away
[05:36] <nixternal> if i didn't ignore or accept i had that popup the entire time
[05:38] <nixternal> Riddell: take a look at the latest revision to the release notes on the doc-svn that i just committed when you get a chance
[05:40] <nixternal> bddebian: despite the debian stuff, which i will work on in the future, thanks for pointing that out, how is the packaging overall?  I am learning, and with proper "pointy stick" handling im sure I will get it eventually ;)
[05:42] <bddebian> nixternal: So far so good but damn, qucs is taking forever to build :-)
[05:42] <nixternal> ya..i remember that as well ;)
[06:21] <gnomefreak> metabar doesnt install and --force-overwrite dont work either
[06:23] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, i was supposed to fix that, iirc.
[06:25] <gnomefreak> thought i would let you know :)
[06:26] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: you could fix it yourself *looks hopefully*
[06:26] <Hobbsee> :P
[06:27] <gnomefreak> wish i got that far with packaging :(
[06:27] <Hobbsee> awww...
[06:27] <Hobbsee> i thought you had
[06:27] <Hobbsee> what was the problem with metabar?
[06:28] <Hobbsee> if force overwrite doesnt fix it?
[06:28] <gnomefreak> i know why --force-overwrite didnt work :( its a png not a deb
[06:29] <gnomefreak> but it wont overwrite /usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/metabar.png
[06:29] <crimsun> what package currently owns it?
[06:32] <gnomefreak> me screwed that up i was supposed to overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/metabar_0.7-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[06:32] <gnomefreak> holy crap it overwrites alot of crap
[06:33] <gnomefreak> with --force
[06:42] <ajmitch> gnomefreak: this is why --force is considered bad :)
[06:43] <gnomefreak> ajmitch: i know :)
[08:35] <fdoving> what's the edgy-way of doing cpu-scaling on cpus not supporting the ondemand kernel-thing?
[08:48] <fdoving> powernowd.
[09:41] <imbrandon> Riddell: ping
[09:45] <Riddell> hi imbrandon
[09:48] <imbrandon> moins Riddell ;)
[09:49] <imbrandon> heya is all thats needed for qmake is qt{3,4}-dev-tools ?
[09:49] <imbrandon> i'm trying to figure out where dholbach is doing wrong " MESSAGE Qt qmake not found! "
[09:50] <imbrandon> CMake Error: Error in cmake code at
[09:50] <imbrandon> /usr/share/CMake/Modules/FindQt4.cmake:857:
[09:50] <imbrandon> MESSAGE Qt qmake not found!
[09:51] <imbrandon> Build-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-core, cmake, qt4-dev-tools
[09:51] <Hobbsee> do you have to export the directory or something?
[09:52] <imbrandon> i wouldent think so
[09:52] <imbrandon> no in an automated build
[09:52] <imbrandon> could be wrong
[09:52] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[09:52] <imbrandon> qmake IS in the patch though
[09:52] <imbrandon> path*
[09:53] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~/devel/telepathy-qt/telepathy-qt-0.1.0$ qmake -v
[09:53] <imbrandon> Qmake version: 1.07a (Qt 3.3.6)
[09:53] <imbrandon> Qmake is free software from Trolltech AS.
[09:53] <Riddell> it's finding qmake for qt 3, when it needs qt 4 qmake
[09:54] <imbrandon> ahh umm ok
[09:55] <imbrandon> so can qmake for qt4 be specified ?
[09:55] <imbrandon> would it be easier if i posted what he has so far somewhere for you to look at ?
[09:56] <Riddell> I wonder if we should edit /usr/share/CMake/Modules/FindQt4.cmake
[09:56] <Riddell> FIND_PROGRAM(QT_QMAKE_EXECUTABLE NAMES qmake qmake-qt4 PATHS
[09:56] <Riddell> try swapping around qmake and qmake-qt4 in that line
[09:56] <imbrandon> k
[09:58] <imbrandon> same error
[09:58] <imbrandon> and i dont have a qmake-qt4
[09:58] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~/devel/telepathy-qt/telepathy-qt-0.1.0$ qmake-qt4
[09:58] <imbrandon> bash: qmake-qt4: command not found
[09:58] <Riddell> ah, well
[09:59] <fdoving> qmake is in /etc/alternatives probably a symlink to qmake-qt3
[09:59] <imbrandon> ahh
[09:59] <imbrandon> well hrm
[09:59] <fdoving> you should use qmake-qt4
[10:00] <imbrandon> welp qt4-dev-tools dosent put qmake-qt4 in the path
[10:00] <Riddell> you need libqt4-dev:
[10:00] <imbrandon> ok not -core
[10:00] <imbrandon> or both
[10:02] <imbrandon> woot , ok now its building , got another error but its building ;)
[10:14] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/175931 is a code problem not a build deb probelm correct ?
[10:17] <imbrandon> The following packages have unmet dependencies: libdbus-qt4-1-dev: Depends: libdbus-1-dev (= 0.62-4ubuntu4) but 0.92-2ubuntu2 is to be installed
[10:17] <imbrandon> E: Broken packages
[10:18] <imbrandon> ugh
[10:19] <Riddell> needs dbus
[10:20] <Riddell> I wonder if we can fix libdbus-qt4
[10:20] <Riddell> hmm, no
[10:20] <Riddell> the dbus package no longer includes it
[10:20] <Riddell> that's quite silly
[10:23] <ajmitch> dbus package has dropped the bindings
[10:23] <Riddell> imbrandon: so not much we can do until qt 4.2 comes out
[10:24] <imbrandon> Riddell: ok
[11:05] <Tm_T> wow
[11:05] <Jucato> lol
[11:06] <Tm_T> err, no join on invite, hmm, settings not right
[11:06] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: *g*
[11:06] <Jucato> I'm laughing out loud like crazy here :)
[11:06] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: i +i'd you back in :)
[11:06] <Tm_T> yes, but it didn't autojoin when you invited
[11:06] <Tm_T> like it should, well, that's how I used to keep settings iirc
[11:06] <Tm_T> anyway, off ;) ->
[11:26] <imbrandon> wb Hobbsee
[11:26] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:26] <Hobbsee> heya
[11:26] <Hobbsee> i had slight problems killing off irssi sessions
[11:27] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: what's the new password to your machine?
[11:28] <Hobbsee> is it the original, or what i changed it to?
[11:28] <imbrandon> umm i forgot to setup your account
[11:28] <imbrandon> hold on
[11:28] <imbrandon> heh
[11:28] <Hobbsee> haha
[11:53] <Riddell> fabo: going to do a new icecream upload to debian?
[11:56] <fabo> Riddell: yes, 0.7.14-3 fixing init script issue
[11:57] <Riddell> fabo: lets request a sync once that's in
[11:57] <fabo> Riddell: i've got many package to sync
[11:57] <Riddell> :)
[11:57] <fabo> could you create a batch sync for me ;)
[11:57] <Riddell> 9 days until cut off
[11:57] <Riddell> can't do batch syncs, they have to be each reviewed by the archive admins
[11:58] <fabo> put me on whitelist :)
[11:58] <Riddell> no whitelist I'm afraid, everyone needs to have syncs reviewed
[11:58] <Riddell> fabo: do you have source packages?
[11:59] <Riddell> fabo: I need to compile icecc now-ish for akademy
[11:59] <fabo> http://fboudra.free.fr/debian/icecc_0.7.14-2/icecc_0.7.14.orig.tar.gz
[12:00] <Riddell> it was the .diff.gz I was after, but I can get it out of svn
[12:01] <fabo> Riddell: no builded yet, i can do it in 2 minutes ;)
[12:01] <fabo> not
[12:11] <fabo> Riddell: http://fboudra.free.fr/debian/icecc_0.7.14-3/icecc_0.7.14-3.dsc
[12:12] <Riddell> thanks
[12:12] <Riddell> abattoir: are you requesting sponsorship for the developers summit?
[12:15] <abattoir> Riddell: I hope to, yes
[12:15] <abattoir> Riddell: i'll add myself to the wiki page soon
[12:16] <Riddell> install -D -p -m0644 debian/icecc.conf debian/icecc/etc/icecc/icecc.conf
[12:16] <Riddell> install: cannot stat `debian/icecc.conf': No such file or directory
[12:16] <Riddell> fabo: hmm ^^
[12:17] <Riddell> fabo: there's an icecc.config, should that be renamed or the install command fixed?
[12:19] <fabo> Riddell: there's icecc.conf and icecc.config
[12:19] <fabo> icecc.conf must be installed in /etc/icecc/
[12:19] <fabo> and icecc.config you know the use
[12:20] <fabo> so the install command must be fixed
[12:21] <fabo> but it's strange... i don't understand why the command must be fixed ...
[12:22] <Riddell> fabo: there's no icecc.conf file in SVN
[12:24] <Riddell> but it is in your package on fboudra.free.fr, so I can use that
[01:26] <Tonio_> hum, that lighttpd rocks !
[01:30] <imbrandon> ello Tonio_ ;)
[01:30] <Tonio_> hi imbrandon :)
[01:30] <Tonio_> I'm on a complete apache2 -> lighttpd migration......
[01:30] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:30] <Tonio_> so I'll not have a lot of free time today
[01:31] <Tonio_> it rocks except lighttpd documentation is a bit limited somtimes
[01:31] <imbrandon> i dont think there is alot going on
[01:31] <Tonio_> but it is REALLY light for the cpu and ram
[01:31] <Tonio_> I'm sick of apache2
[01:31] <imbrandon> cool , support php_5 and python ?
[01:31] <Tonio_> okay it has 1000000 functionnalities, but who needs this ?
[01:31] <imbrandon> i've run apache for years, guess i'm just used to it heh
[01:32] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes, but the ubuntu package provides a false config, so I had pain to activate php
[01:32] <imbrandon> ahh
[01:32] <imbrandon> if it has php/python/mysql support i might look at it
[01:32] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes, as companies are used to oracle even they don't need 2% of what it does :)
[01:32] <imbrandon> thats all i use really
[01:32] <Tonio_> imbrandon: concerning mysql it is in php config, since it runs php with fastcgi
[01:33] <Tonio_> concerning python I didn't look at the moment, but I read it was supported
[01:33] <Tonio_> I may fix the package for correct config too
[01:33] <imbrandon> ouch, that will eat some cpu there cgi version of python and php are slow
[01:33] <Tonio_> imbrandon: nope ;)
[01:33] <Tonio_> fastcgi is really fast and doesn't eat your cpu
[01:34] <Tonio_> currently with 200 personns on my website, php-cgi uses 7% of the cpu
[01:34] <Tonio_> lighttpd 2%
[01:34] <imbrandon> nice
[01:34] <Tonio_> apache2 was running about 35%
[01:35] <imbrandon> yea i've been converting all my stuff to python.web lately, seems much more stable that way
[01:35] <imbrandon> but its a pain to setup
[01:35] <Tonio_> hehe
[01:35] <Tonio_> display looks globally a bit faster too
[01:36] <imbrandon> cool
[01:38] <imbrandon> hrm i cant find anything on the website about python support, but i'lll look at it more after i eat, looks cool
[01:42] <Tonio_> imbrandon: look for SCGI and lighttpd for python
[01:43] <imbrandon> yea i just found a howto
[01:43] <imbrandon> http://cleverdevil.org/computing/24/python-fastcgi-wsgi-and-lighttpd
[02:24] <n8k99> avast ye mateys
[02:27] <Riddell> yarr
[02:30] <imbrandon> heya n8k99
[02:31] <imbrandon> Riddell: i just updated the amarok dapper packages if you wanna make a copy on kubuntu.org ( they are uptodate with edgy now ) still need backports etc etc etc http://www.imbrandon.com/packages/pool/dapper/amarok/
[02:31] <imbrandon> all 3 arches btw
[02:31] <n8k99> so, i have edgy on my TiBook now - nice work so far
[02:31] <Jucato> imbrandon: nice! you're the amarok man :)
[02:34] <nixternal> people are still using dapper ;)
[02:40] <imbrandon> nixternal: a few poor souls ;)
[02:40] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:41] <imbrandon> ok i'm gonna pop in the shower bbiab
[02:42] <imbrandon> wow you know what i just noticed? kmail hasent segfaulted all day, hrmm
[02:42] <Hobbsee> hah
[02:42] <Hobbsee> and *that* is why i dont use it for my email
[02:42] <n8k99> huh?
[02:42] <imbrandon> heh well i cant get thunderbir to do what i want
[02:43] <imbrandon> BUT this last rebuild of kmail seem to stabize it out, dunno why, guess we'll see over the next few days
[02:43] <imbrandon> but normaly i get 1 or 2 segfaults an hour
[02:44] <n8k99> <counts self as very fortunate> kmail has always been very stable on my machines
[02:44] <Lathiat> yeh kmail is rock solid for me
[02:44] <Lathiat> i was using it daily fo rabout 4 months on my work email that saw tonnes of mail
[02:45] <n8k99> in fact I live in Kdepim, if only kopete could be tightly integrated into it!
[02:46] <imbrandon> well it always was here till i switched to imap
[02:46] <n8k99> aha!
[02:46] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehe, same here
[02:46] <n8k99> i have not done that - (thought I remembered you mentioning that yesterday)
[02:46] <imbrandon> Lathiat: yea i get many thousand emails a day ;)
[02:46] <imbrandon> litterly
[02:47] <imbrandon> ok shower ( /me stinks, ewwwwww ) bbiab
[02:47] <Lathiat> mm i dont get thousands
[02:48] <Lathiat> probably hundreds
[02:48] <Lathiat> ah imap
[02:48] <Lathiat> i found kmails imap actually to be quite good
[02:48] <Lathiat> but i think thunderbirds beats thema ll
[02:48] <imbrandon> yea about 2.5 to 2.8 a day avg
[02:48] <imbrandon> thundirbird is quite slow compared and dosent do all the stuff i'm used to in kmail
[02:49] <imbrandon> s/2.5 to 2.8/2.5k to 2.8k/
[02:49] <imbrandon> depends on how much spam slips though ;)
[02:49] <n8k99> the only thing i wish were availble in kmail is a plugin that allow you to stack the folders and email windows to allow the message to be full window
[02:51] <Riddell> bah, KGlobalAccel doesn't work in pykde
 <offtopic>I want the email address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>too </offtopic>
[03:01] <nixternal> now this is getting out of control scary style
[03:01] <Hobbsee> :D
[03:01] <nixternal> haha
[03:02] <Hobbsee> hey!  it can match my hostmask :P
[03:02] <nixternal> you can send email from that address
[03:02] <nixternal> lol
[03:02] <Hobbsee> the meeting's going slow enough...
[03:02] <nixternal> right
[03:11] <Tm_T> mooh
[03:11] <Tm_T> ooh, nixternal is apllying to membership?
[03:12] <Tm_T> ignore mistyipng
[03:12] <nixternal> what membership?
[03:12] <Tm_T> bah, more coffee ->
[03:12] <nixternal> did i click "join" on another launchpad page and don't remember ;)
[03:13] <Tm_T> nixternal: nah, I''m having messy head, ignore me totally =)
[03:13] <nixternal> haha
[03:31] <nixternal> oh lord
[03:31] <nixternal> what did i do now?
[03:31] <nixternal> i don't know whats worse, the eggs or that damn stick
[03:31] <Tm_T> nixternal: I assume you dared to smile
[03:31] <nixternal> im tracing my steps right now, i don't see a ;) anywhere ;)
[03:32] <nixternal> whoa, 2 of them right there..belay my last
[03:32] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i'm watching this CC, and trying to push it along.
[03:32] <nixternal> but why do i get the rotten egg attack?
[03:33] <Hobbsee> you were the last to speak
[03:33] <nixternal> <steve erkle voice>did i do that?</steve erkle voice>
[03:33] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:33] <Tm_T> =)
[03:33] <nixternal> haha
[03:33] <nixternal> throw them at jono, he took over the meeting
[03:33] <nixternal> i didn't do anything ;)
[03:34] <Hobbsee> he's having the best attempt at chairing, yes
[03:34] <nixternal> we are in #ubuntu-locoteams making fun of it
[03:43] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[03:44] <sebas> Howdy me dear buccanneer!
[03:44] <Jucato> yarrr matey bddebian! :)
[03:45] <bddebian> Hmm did I not get the memo about Pirate day? :-)
[03:45] <bddebian> Hello sebas, Jucato
[03:46] <Hobbsee> bddebian: it started with the amarok people
[03:47] <Jucato> I received the rss feed about it a few hours later after Hobbsee told me about it
[03:48] <bddebian> Ah
[03:48] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:48] <imbrandon> bddebian: http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/240-guid.html
[03:48] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[03:49] <bddebian> Oh brother :-)
[03:49] <imbrandon> ;-)
[03:50] <imbrandon> bddebian: you have to get the planet.k.o feed if you wanna hang out with us ;) ( just teasin )
[03:50] <Jucato> lol
[03:50] <bddebian> :-)
[03:50] <Jucato> and if you wanna get a glimpse of imbrandon's face everytime he blogs about something
[03:50] <Jucato> :P
[03:51] <imbrandon> Jucato: thats planet.u.c ;)
[03:51] <Jucato> oh yeah
[03:51] <Jucato> lol
[03:51] <Jucato> imbrandon: why aren't you aggregated on  planetkde?
[03:51] <imbrandon> planet.kde.org ;) ( almost all projects have a planet )
[03:51] <imbrandon> Jucato: never emailed and ask to be i guess
[03:51] <imbrandon> dunno
[03:52] <Jucato> ah
[03:52] <Jucato> :)
[03:52] <imbrandon> sides i dunno how much a kubuntu developer would look, but i guess suse develoeprs are there
[03:52] <imbrandon> dunno , i might sometime
[03:53] <imbrandon> oh lord
[03:53] <Jucato> imbrandon: Riddel and mdz (he's martin meredith right?) are there
[03:54] <imbrandon> Jucato: but they are also both upsteam kde develoeprs ;)
[03:54] <imbrandon> Jucato: yes thats mez
[03:54] <Jucato> ah
[03:54] <imbrandon> Jucato: i dont have a upstream "home"
[03:55] <imbrandon> ( other than apt-mirror and pytunes but neither are in the kde svn and apt-mirror isnt even kde based ) heh
[03:56] <imbrandon> its pretty simple, look at it like this, ok a mountain peek, where a river starts right ?
[03:56] <Jucato> uhuh
[03:56] <imbrandon> kde , linux kernel , etc are all at the "peek" of the mountain ( or where the river starts )
[03:57] <dholbach> heya
[03:57] <imbrandon> debian, is a little downstream and catches those parts and puts them togather, they are down stream
[03:57] <andrunko_> dholbach: :)
[03:57] <Jucato> oh. and Ubuntu's further down?
[03:57] <imbrandon> then we are a little further downstream and catch debians parts ( and also some of kdes ) and re-put them togather diffrently
[03:58] <imbrandon> so debian is our upstream, kde is our upstream:upstream
[03:58] <dholbach> andrunko_: made an observation wrt to qt-copy and kde4 - I hope somebody can help
[03:58] <Jucato> oooh...
[03:58] <imbrandon> dholbach: sure , shoot
[03:58] <dholbach> that should be "andrunko_ made an observation wrt to qt-copy and kde4 - I hope somebody can help" :)
[03:58] <andrunko_> hi guys, i am trying to compile telepathy-qt on edgy, it depends on libqt4-debug-dev-kdecopy~svn20060818-0ubuntu. but qt-copy (kde svn) is already updated
[03:58] <andrunko_> and they changed qdbusconnection.h
[03:59] <Riddell> andrunko_: so our qt-copy package is out of date?
[03:59] <Jucato> imbrandon: so Riddell and mez are like salmon that can swim upstream :)
[03:59] <andrunko_> Riddell: yep
[03:59] <imbrandon> ahh thats a Riddell poke ( well i /could/ do it but he is WAY more familiar with it )
[03:59] <imbrandon> Jucato: exactly
[03:59] <Riddell> it's fiddly
[03:59] <andrunko_> Riddell: so should i create a debian/patch dir, and fix telepathy-qt to compile and depend specifically on the version on edgy?
[04:00] <Jucato> ok... why on earth did I compare them to salmon.. :)
[04:00] <Riddell> andrunko_: that's probably the quickest thing
[04:01] <Riddell> andrunko_: I can put updating qt-copy on my todo list but I don't know when I'll get round to it
[04:01] <imbrandon> oh wow installing libqt4-debug-dev-kdecopy wants remove 3/4 of the desktop , i ahte this new apt
[04:01] <andrunko_> Riddell: nice, i will do it
[04:01] <dholbach> you guys rock
[04:01] <dholbach> imbrandon: I doubt it's apt's fault
[04:01] <Riddell> hopefully qt 4.2 will be out soon then we can get rid of the -kdecopy lark
[04:01] <Jucato> apt-get still using autoremove by default?
[04:02] <dholbach> Jucato: it never did
[04:02] <imbrandon> dholbach: well its that apt wants to remove everything once *-desktop is gone
[04:02] <Jucato> I thought in Edgy it did?
[04:02] <dholbach> imbrandon: you use apt-get?
[04:02] <imbrandon> dholbach: yup
[04:02] <imbrandon> dholbach:  hold on , lemme pastebin
[04:03] <dholbach> it auto-removes, if you run   apt-get autoremove
[04:03] <imbrandon> look at all the stuff apt wants to remove after *-desktop is gone http://pastebin.ca/176190
[04:03] <imbrandon> dholbach: yea but if you dont it spams you with a big list every time
[04:04] <dholbach> that's interesting
[04:04] <dholbach> imbrandon: you should have a chat with mvo.
[04:04] <imbrandon> is he alive/awake atm ?
[04:04] <dholbach> yes
[04:04] <jdong> are we talking about autoremove again?
[04:04] <imbrandon>  /join #ubuntu-devel
[04:04] <imbrandon> err
[04:04] <dholbach> cf #ubuntu-devel
[04:05] <Jucato> jdong: yes :P
[04:05] <jdong> imbrandon: holy crap you beat my record :)
[04:06] <imbrandon> jdong: thats a default edgy install
[04:06] <jdong> imbrandon: yeah, what metapackage(s) did you remove?
[04:09] <imbrandon> jdong: kubuntu-desktop
[04:12] <Tonio_> dholbach: hey ;)
[04:12] <dholbach> hey Tonio_
[04:12] <Tonio_> Yeah we discussed that with imbrandon and I must say I agree...
[04:12] <imbrandon> moins Tonio_
[04:12] <Tonio_> dholbach: lots of people are removing kubuntu-desktop and then the ouput of apt gets very annoying :)
[04:13] <Tonio_> time to forget apache once and for all :)
[04:14] <Tonio_> jdong: vbulletin forums ?
[04:14] <Tonio_> jdong: cause I had a very annoying issue
[04:14] <jdong> Tonio_: yep
[04:14] <Tonio_> jdong: be sure to remove the "standard http headers" in vbulletin config
[04:14] <Tonio_> that setting is not compatible with lighttpd
[04:14] <jdong> ah, ok, thanks for the heads-up :)
[04:14] <Tonio_> jdong: you're welcome :)
[04:15] <Jucato> jdong: please test it on our beloved you-know-what  :)
[04:15] <Jucato> see if it takes it down :P
[04:15] <Tonio_> jdong: that causes redirections on search.php and post.php to fail
[04:15] <jdong> Tonio_: yeah, that can get annoying :)
[04:15] <Tonio_> jdong: also, espacially on the forums, using eaccelerator improves the speed and reduces cpu usage a lot
[04:15] <jdong> alright, let's get off the topic of the f-word before you-know-who gets you-know-what :)
[04:15] <Tonio_> jdong: only problem is that we don't have a package for this.......
[04:16] <jdong> Tonio_: yeah, we wanted to use it but our apache segfaults when we tried :)
[04:16] <jdong> which is kind of bad
[04:16] <jdong> apparently it wasn't built with DSO support or something along those lines
[04:16] <Tonio_> jdong: works here, like a charm with lighttpd
[04:16] <jdong> Hobbsee: you missed the forums debate... :)
[04:17] <Hobbsee> jdong: when was that on?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> jdong: i think i was busy poking the meeting into order
[04:17] <jdong> Hobbsee: a few days back
[04:17] <Hobbsee> oh
[04:17] <Hobbsee> i thought i was there :P
[04:17] <jdong> oh, were you?
[04:17] <jdong> well, you kept pretty quiet then :)
[04:18] <Tonio_> jdong: I just finished my migration, so if you have any question, please ask
[04:18] <Hobbsee> jdong: yes, i know when to keep my mouth shut, usually :P
[04:19] <jdong> Tonio_: absolutely, you'll be our #1 contact if we decide to go down that path :)
[04:19] <Hobbsee> jdong: you learn pretty quickly when you're with people who are a lot bigger and stronger than you are :P
[04:19] <jdong> :)
[04:20] <jdong> whoa, would you look at that? python finally supports try/except/finally
[04:20] <jdong> without double-nesting try blocks
[04:21] <jdong> it only took them like 10 releases to get it!
[04:21] <imbrandon> jdong: fwiw py 2.5 is in the edgy repos afaik
[04:21] <jdong> imbrandon: rc2 :)
[04:21] <imbrandon> yes
[04:22] <jdong> imbrandon: but final was out 1 hour ago... why isn't it in edgy yet :P
[04:23] <imbrandon> Riddell: is there a howto/doc/something about importing streight UI files in py apps instead of pyuic ? or a simple-ish app i can disect ....
[04:23] <Jucato> guys, what happened to the DVD download pages?
[04:23] <imbrandon> jdong: dir irl kthxbye ;) ( if you dont know thats a joke between me and Hobbsee )
[04:23] <imbrandon> s/dir/die
[04:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:24] <Jucato> lol
[04:24] <jdong> :)
[04:24] <imbrandon> Riddell: is there a howto/doc/something about importing streight UI files in py apps instead of pyuic ? or a simple-ish app i can disect ....
[04:24] <imbrandon> whoops sorry
[04:24] <imbrandon> wrong paste
[04:25] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, Riddell seems really busy today , heh ( if there is something we can help with let us konw Riddell ;P )
[04:25] <imbrandon> its getting crunch time ;)
[04:25] <Jucato> er.. I thought he went out for lunch?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> oh goody, then i can kick you without gettign told off :P
[04:26] <imbrandon> not /ME/ , Jucato yea he is at lunch atm but i mean in general
[04:26] <Jucato> ah
[04:26] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: leaste not in here save that for u-offtopic ;)
[04:26] <imbrandon> too bad you dont come into k-offtopic ;)
[04:26] <Jucato> Hobbsee: would you happen to know why the DVD download pages are down?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> we've been using that to discuss the CC meetings
[04:27] <Hobbsee> Jucato: none at all.  i dont even know where they are :P
[04:27] <Jucato> http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php scroll to the bottom
[04:27] <imbrandon> Jucato: the dvd images are only for stable releases afaik ( eg breezy dapper )
[04:27] <Jucato> imbrandon: yes for Dapper.
[04:28] <Jucato> the download page for Dapper DVD's...
[04:28] <imbrandon> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/
[04:28] <imbrandon> that was easy ;)
[04:28] <Jucato> well, because you knew where to look :P
[04:29] <imbrandon> cdimage.ubuntu.com ;)
[04:29] <Jucato> poor soul in #kubuntu didn't even know where to start
[04:29] <imbrandon> well thats for edgy
[04:29] <Jucato> yikes?
[04:29] <Jucato> rawr...
[04:29] <imbrandon> looks like daily builds too
[04:30] <Jucato> none for Dapper?
[04:30] <imbrandon> ummmbrowse cdimage, i'll look too
[04:30] <jdong> why do I get the strange feeling that a kernel update will break my laptop today?
[04:31] <imbrandon> jdong: becosue you have no faith ( and you obviously changed the default grub then becouse it will hold old kernels so no biggie )
[04:31] <Jucato> imbrandon: I got this, can you very if it's correct? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/release.1/
[04:32] <jdong> imbrandon: my faith is greatly outshadowed by update paranoia :)
[04:32] <jdong> imbrandon: mainly because of how flaky my setups love to be
[04:32] <imbrandon> Jucato: yea there ya go
[04:33] <Jucato> imbrandon: thanks! the "cdimage" part of the url is a bit misleading :P
[04:33] <imbrandon> jdong: yea you seem to have more problems than the avg joe, stop messin with things of the unknown ( and pickup an apple ) ;)
[04:33] <imbrandon> Jucato: its been cdimage since the early days of debian ;)
[04:33] <jdong> imbrandon: I don't think a mactel would have any easier a time....
[04:33] <Jucato> imbrandon: so now I learn a new thing. :)
[04:33] <jdong> imbrandon: compared to a centrino duo
[04:33] <imbrandon> jdong: it woudlnt be flackey hardware issues then ;)
[04:34] <jdong> imbrandon: not flaky hardware.. flaky drivers for bleeding edge hardware
[04:34] <imbrandon> ...
[04:34] <jdong> imbrandon: you should've seen how much last-second nagging I had to do for my laptop to be supported by dapper :)
[04:34] <imbrandon> and that is plain wrong ...
[04:35] <jdong> imbrandon: psssht, sabdfl was doing the same for ipw3945 support
[04:35] <jdong> but then again, he has the right to :)
[04:35] <imbrandon> ...
[04:36] <imbrandon> ugh sleep time bbl
[04:36] <Jucato> heh
[05:16] <Riddell> k3b getting backported I see
[05:25] <Tm_T> hmm, I see second or third set of kde packages today
[05:30] <jdong> Riddell: k3b backported? really?
[06:54] <imbrandon> Riddell: scratch copying amarok to kubuntu.org, looks like backports is fixed ( and it just hit the buildd's for dapper )
[06:54] <Riddell> yay
[06:54] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:55] <imbrandon> Accepted:
[06:55] <imbrandon>  OK: amarok_1.4.3-0ubuntu6~dapper1.dsc
[06:55] <imbrandon>      -> Component: main Section: kde
[06:55] <imbrandon>  OK: amarok_1.4.3.orig.tar.gz
[06:55] <imbrandon>  OK: amarok_1.4.3-0ubuntu6~dapper1.diff.gz
[06:55] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:12] <Riddell> fabo: icecc -2 got into ubuntu :)
[07:21] <imbrandon> oh wow , i dont think i should be seeing the accept/reject buttons on the NEW queue on LP
[07:21] <fabo> Riddell: request another sync or -2ubuntu1 :)
[07:30] <Riddell> _Sime_, sebas: it looks like mountconfig needs some fixes for the UUID changes
[07:33] <Riddell> "OSError: [Errno 2]  No such file or directory: '/usr/local/lib/wine'"  hmm, wineconfig not too functional
[07:34] <Riddell> yuriy: wineconfig should do something sensible when wine isn't available
[07:34] <Riddell> yuriy: and does it only look in /usr/local?
[07:38] <kwwii_> ummm, is krita not a part of edgy defualt?
[07:39] <Riddell> kwwii_: it does seem to have wandered
[07:39] <Riddell> kwwii_: however koffice is broken on ppc just now
[07:40] <Riddell> yay, taskjuggler got into the archive
[07:41] <kwwii_> Riddell: ok, thanks
[08:04] <zorglu_> root      4993  1.1 28.8<PHONE_NUMBER>64 tty7    Ss+  03:20  11:40 /usr/bin/X <- 128mbyte of rss for X.org on a unupgraded install from 6.06.1 cd, and growing with time, aka memory leak. is it a known bug ?
[08:06] <Riddell> zorglu_: we don't maintain X here
[08:06] <zorglu_> ok you mean this is not the proper place to do bugs and stuff ?
[08:07] <Riddell> zorglu_: not for X, we just do KDE
[08:07] <zorglu_> ok
[08:07] <hunger_> zorglu_: How much video ram do you have? IIRC that is included in the mem requirements of the X server.
[08:09] <zorglu_> hunger_: not sure, 64mbyte taken from the main ram (aka not included in the video card), but the fact this is consistently growing with time, seems to show a memory leak. its is cool, i can reboot X once or twice a day as a manual garbage collector :)
[08:10] <hunger_> zorglu_: Closing your apps does not help?
[08:10] <zorglu_> nope
[08:11] <hunger_> zorglu_: X uses shared mem with apps... that is reported for both X and the apps. So X seems to grow with the number of apps opened.
[08:13] <hunger_> zorglu_: ... or it might just leak memory like mad;-)
[08:13] <zorglu_> yep, about that, i was wondering about the 'funky stuff' done by kde to speed up the apps launch... are the apps actually closed/terminated as in freeing their X memory ? or are they kept in a idle state somewhere ? (even if no window of it appears anywhere)
[08:14] <zorglu_> like i have a 'konqueror --silent' process using 21mbyte of rss when i have no konqueror running
[08:14] <hunger_> zorglu_: From what I understand it just plays tricks with dlopen/mmap to speed up loading. It should not effect terminating apps (but I am no expert).
[08:15] <zorglu_> ok
[08:20] <imbrandon> okies i'm off for a while, i think the backport issue was just only with k3b , amarok is officialy in the archive now ( https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/247050  <-- success build log for i386 )
[08:21] <zorglu_> hunger_: before rebooting X (with all apps closed) i had 237mbyte free with swap+ram, after rebooting X, i have 570. i definitly got a leak :)
[08:22] <zorglu_> ok sorry for the offtopic
[08:22] <hunger_> zorglu_: Where do you get those numbers from? The ram measurement tools are somewhat unreliable.
[09:16] <JohnFlux> Hey al
[09:16] <JohnFlux> all also
[09:16] <Riddell> hi JohnFlux
[09:17] <Riddell> everyone welcome our newest Kubuntu developer, JohnFlux!
[09:17] <JohnFlux> :P
[09:17] <JohnFlux> In amarok, when you play an mp3 it offers to download the packages for you
[09:17] <JohnFlux> however it needs to set the focus correctly
[09:18] <JohnFlux> focus stealing preventation stops the user from usually seeing the dialog box it pops up
[09:18] <Riddell> not sure how to get round that
[09:18] <JohnFlux> well how is the program launched?
[09:19] <JohnFlux> you just have to set the user timestamp to that of the program that launched it
[09:19] <JohnFlux> full details in the kwin/ directory
[09:19] <JohnFlux> but it's fairly straightforward
[09:19] <JohnFlux> quite a few programs in kubuntu suffer this problem
[09:20] <JohnFlux>  kdebase/kwin/README
[09:20] <Riddell> JohnFlux: it's in /usr/share/services/amarok_xine-mp3_install.desktop
[09:20] <Riddell> which runs /usr/lib/amarok/install-mp3
[09:21] <Riddell> which just uses kdialog
[09:22] <Riddell> well, and kdesu and adept
[09:23] <Riddell> :)
[09:25] <mornfall> what's the default terminal text editor in kubuntu?
[09:25] <gnomefreak> Riddell: koffice 1.6 is named 1.5.91-0ubuntu1?
[09:25] <gnomefreak> mornfall: terminal is konsole
[09:25] <gnomefreak> text ed. is kate i think
[09:25] <mornfall> obviously...
[09:25] <Riddell> gnomefreak: so far
[09:25] <mornfall> er
[09:25] <mornfall> i mean
[09:25] <Riddell> mornfall: nano
[09:25] <mornfall> Riddell: yes! thanks
[09:25] <mornfall> that's what i was asking :)
[09:29] <gnomefreak> ok ty Riddell
[09:32] <JohnFlux> Riddell: hi
[09:32] <Riddell> hi JohnFlux
[09:32] <JohnFlux> Riddell: okay the best way to do this is:  install-mp3  needs to take an argument - the winid of amarok
[09:33] <JohnFlux> Riddell: kdialog  should then use   --embed <winid>
[09:33] <JohnFlux> Riddell: the .desktop file when called from amarok needs to pass this info
[09:34] <Riddell> hmm, tricky, we'd need to get the amarok winid somehow
[09:34] <JohnFlux> well ideally this should be done from amarok
[09:34] <JohnFlux> but we can cheat
[09:34] <JohnFlux> and use the cookiejar d
[09:35] <Riddell> how do we use that?
[09:36] <JohnFlux> Riddell: how does amarok call the desktop file?
[09:37] <Riddell> not sure, I'd guess it reads it in KConfig for the Exec line and uses KProcess to use it, but I don't kow
[09:42] <JohnFlux> Riddell: I think this really needs to be passed at the amarok level
[09:44] <Riddell> JohnFlux: look like we need to find mxcl
[09:45] <JohnFlux> ow
[09:46] <Riddell> Mez: could you put the spellcatalogue into the next release of katapult
[09:46] <Riddell> Mez: and the edgy display
[09:52] <Mez> Riddell: It's in the bzr branch already ;) but - no problems ;)
[09:52] <Mez> though I'm still waiting for BT to come out and install my phone line so I can get internet at home
[09:54] <JohnFlux> Riddell: does mxcl come on occasionally?
[09:55] <Riddell> JohnFlux: occationally, or we could e-mail him<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:55] <Riddell> JohnFlux: note that he only does the amarok side, the install-mp3 script is our doing
[10:09] <Mez> Tonio_, ping
[10:12] <Tonio_> Mez: ping ?
[10:12] <GNUr> apt-get give me a segfault error... it's a new bug?
[10:12] <GNUr> it'a my apt-get bug?
[10:12] <jdong> GNUr: haven't you had this problem before?
[10:12] <jdong> or was it someone else?
[10:13] <jdong> and none of my apts are segfaulting :)
[10:13] <JohnFlux> Riddell: related to chris howell?
[10:13] <Tonio_> Mez: I'm there
[10:13] <GNUr> jdong: this is the first time... i've just upgraded my box
[10:13] <jdong> hmm, don't know what to tell you
[10:14] <jdong> other than I've heard someone else having this problem before
[10:14] <jdong> and nobody else seems to have it :)
[10:14] <jdong> try reinstalling apt, I guess?
[10:14] <GNUr> ok..
[10:14] <GNUr> jdong: sorry for my bad english =)
[10:15] <GNUr> ~] >apt-get install apt-get --reinstall
[10:15] <GNUr> Segmentation faulta dei pacchetti in corso... 0%
[10:15] <GNUr> it's impossible O_o
[10:16] <Mez> Tonio_ - you said that you're using edgy with amarok1.4.3 and katapult launching tracks works ?
[10:17] <yuriy> hi Riddell
[10:17] <yuriy> it looks in /usr/lib, then in /usr/local/lib
[10:17] <Tonio_> Mez: yes it works here
[10:18] <imbrandon> Mez: i'm not on my kubuntu box atm but it works for me too
[10:18] <yuriy> and umm yeah i guess i need to fix that. still trying to get a patch in for winebrowser (what a pain)
[10:19] <Mez> using >=1.4.2?
[10:20] <imbrandon> mez yea
[10:20] <imbrandon> edgy and 2:1.4.3-0ubuntu6
[10:21] <Mez> what version of katapult ?
[10:21] <Mez> Tonio: what was with the tarball rebuild for katapult ?
[10:21] <imbrandon> casnt check atm but latest edgy as of last night
[10:22] <Mez> Tonio_ *
[10:22] <Mez> weird ...
[10:22] <Mez> imbrandon - do this
[10:22] <imbrandon> mez i'm in osx atm ;(
[10:22] <Mez> dcop amarok collection query "SELECT url from tags LIMIT 1,1"
[10:23] <Mez> :'(
[10:23] <imbrandon> rember i did that
[10:23] <imbrandon> it returned a track
[10:23] <Mez> yeah - and back then it didnt work ...
[10:23] <Mez> some reason it's now working
[10:23] <imbrandon> yea it returned a track from /media/server/brandon/.....
[10:24] <Riddell> yuriy: but if it's not installed in either it should still start up
[10:24] <Ingmar^> GNUr: I fixed a segfaulting apt-get by deleting the /var/cache/apt/*bin files ( there's 2 of them) then apt-get update -ing
[10:24] <Tonio_> Mez: yeah strange, but that's it
[10:24] <Tonio_> it works here
[10:26] <jdong> GNUr: hehe, of course, can't use apt to install apt if apt is segfaulting.... sorry about that silliness
[10:27] <Mez> Tonio_, can you do his
[10:27] <Mez> dcop amarok collection query "SELECT url from tags LIMIT 1,1"
[10:27] <GNUr> Ingmar^:  now works! =) my solution is: run apt-get with all entry commented in source.list
[10:27] <jdong> what did you have in your sources.list that could make apt choke that badly?
[10:27] <GNUr> Ingmar^: thnx however! =)
[10:28] <Mez> Riddell: with KDE's SVN - how do I get the admin directory checked out so I can build ?
[10:28] <Ingmar^> GNUr: you're welcome :-)
[10:29] <Tonio_> Mez:
[10:29] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~$ dcop amarok collection query "SELECT url from tags LIMIT 1,1"
[10:29] <Tonio_> object not accessible
[10:29] <GNUr> jdong: i'm using a default source.list with all entry uncommented!
[10:29] <GNUr> Ingmar^: =)
[10:29] <Tonio_> Mez: oups, needs to be launched maybe ;)
[10:29] <Tonio_> lol
[10:29] <Mez> Tonio ;)
[10:29] <imbrandon> svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/3.5/kde-common/admin
[10:29] <Tonio_> dcop amarok collection query "SELECT url from tags LIMIT 1,1"
[10:29] <Tonio_> ./Datas/Musiques/Albums/Ben Harper/Burn To Shine/01 - Alone.mp3
[10:29] <imbrandon> mez ^^
[10:29] <Mez> Tonio_, why did you have to rebuild the katapult tarball
[10:29] <Tonio_> Mez: no pb
[10:30] <Mez> Tonio_, now try using katapult to launch that track
[10:30] <GNUr> the segfault was in a stat64(bad_file_argument)
[10:30] <Tonio_> Mez: okay
[10:31] <Tonio_> Mez: yeah I launched the file with katapult
[10:31] <Tonio_> works
[10:31] <Mez> and plays ?
[10:31] <Ingmar^> could someone tell me what script checks for the available cpu frequences, when you boot with upstart ?
[10:31] <Ingmar^> if i boot, i only get the max freq, so apparently I need to manually load those modules each boot :(
[10:31] <Tonio_> Mez: yes, it works as it is supposed to be
[10:31] <jdong> Ingmar^: /etc/init.d/powernowd.early
[10:32] <Mez> Tonio_ weird
[10:32] <jdong> Ingmar^: what kind of CPU are you working with?
[10:32] <Tonio_> Mez: hehe
[10:32] <Ingmar^> ty
[10:32] <Ingmar^> intel Pentium M 1.6 gHz
[10:32] <jdong> hmm, strange that doesn't work out-of-the-box....
[10:32] <jdong> :-/
[10:33] <Mez> Tonio_, and still you havent answered ...
[10:33] <Tonio_> Mez: which question ? Why i rebuilt it ?
[10:33] <Ingmar^> jdong: indeed, and i'd like to make / have a fix for edgy final :-)
[10:33] <jdong> Ingmar^: does powernowd.early start properly?
[10:33] <Ingmar^> let me see
[10:34] <jdong> Ingmar^: my core duo worked out of the box, which uses the same cpufreq modules as your P-M
[10:34] <imbrandon> Ingmar^: best to poke keybuk when he is arround in #ubuntu-devel he handles most all of that
[10:34] <Ingmar^> alright, i'll do that
[10:34] <jdong> Ingmar^: mjg59 was real helpful the last time I had powernowd issues, too
[10:35] <Mez> Tonio_, yes
[10:35] <Ingmar^> someone told me how to manually load those modules, so it's not that bad for me
[10:35] <jdong> Ingmar^: the thing is, you should never ever have to do that on a pentium M
[10:35] <Tonio_> Mez: hum, I could have patched cvs.sh yes :)
[10:36] <jdong> Ingmar^: so something's wrong.. either with powernowd.early or with your edgy install :)
[10:36] <Ingmar^> jdong: true, but i haven't found anyone else with the same problem :)
[10:36] <Tonio_> Mez: that's true, but well.... it is always better when autobla is used to use a modern admin folder
[10:36] <jdong> Ingmar^: in that case, you'll have better luck poking mjg59 than keybuk :)
[10:38] <Mez> Tonio_, oh, the admin dir wasnt consistent with KDE's SVN ?
[10:38] <imbrandon> svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/3.5/kde-common/admin admin
[10:38] <imbrandon> err
[10:38] <Ingmar^> jdong: will do
[10:39] <Ingmar^> jdong & imbrandon : thanks
[10:39] <GNUr> my audio card don't work properly with the 2.6.17-7-generic (snd_via82xx). if i reboot edgy with a old dapper kernel (2.6.15-23) all wark fine...
[10:40] <Ingmar^> GNUr: lsmod | grep snd
[10:43] <GNUr> Ingmar^: i can hear the sound, but it's is not "continous"... i've tryed mplayer and xine based application, like amarok... and the bug persist.. it's a kernel problem
[10:44] <Ingmar^> ah
[10:46] <Tonio_> Mez: nope it was an old version
[10:57] <kwwii_> arrr...y'er luck, matey
[10:57] <kwwii_> :p
[10:57] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[11:00] <Mez> Tonio_, want to try out some new debs ?
[11:04] <Tonio_> Mez: hum, no time today, possible tomorrow ?
[11:04] <Tonio_> Mez: sorry but I'm on a server migration, so it is a bit hot now ;)
[11:04] <_Sime_> Tonio_: hi, is ubuntu22 the latest kdebase version?
[11:04] <Tonio_> _Sime_: yes
[11:04] <Mez> Tonio_, no problems
[11:05] <_Sime_> Tonio_: I just did a apt-get source kdebase and saw that kubuntu_73_nomediaioslave_mounthelper.diff is the old version.
[11:05] <Mez> bug 58178
[11:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58178 in katapult "Opening config dialog gives segfault on edgy" [Untriaged,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58178
[11:05] <Mez> bug 56918
[11:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56918 in katapult "doesn't produce anything on edgy" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56918
[11:06] <Tonio_> _Sime_: hu ?????????,
[11:06] <_Sime_> Tonio_: -rw-r--r-- 1 sbe sbe 15882 2006-09-19 22:07 kubuntu_73_nomediaioslave_mounthelper.diff
[11:06] <_Sime_> Tonio_: does the length match what you have locallly?
[11:06] <_Sime_> Tonio_: 15882 byte
[11:06] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I put the V4 patch yesterday.......
[11:06] <_Sime_> Tonio_: was the source uploaded?
[11:06] <Tonio_> _Sime_: yes.......
[11:07] <_Sime_> Tonio_: my patch was bad. sorry.
[11:08] <Tonio_> _Sime_: ........ ;)
[11:08] <Tonio_> _Sime_: instead of keeping all patches version
[11:09] <Tonio_> remove them all and just have one online
[11:09] <Tonio_> and possibly name them like in kdebase
[11:09] <_Sime_> Tonio_: man, all theses patches and versions piss me off.
[11:09] <Tonio_> that will avoid errors in the future :)
[11:09] <Tonio_> _Sime_: shoot them all
[11:09] <Tonio_> just keep the last
[11:10] <_Sime_> Tonio_: it is hard because I try test on the same version as what edgy is using.
[11:11] <Tonio_> _Sime_: yes I understand........
[11:11] <Tonio_> _Sime_: should I upgrade the patch once again ? I can do it tomorrow
[11:11] <_Sime_> Tonio_: and with the debian stuff patching things all the time makes it hard too.
[11:12] <Tonio_> _Sime_: sure......
[11:12] <Tonio_> _Sime_: well can you put the new version online ? I'll prepare kdebase packages
[11:13] <andrunko> Riddell: you there?
[11:17] <_Sime_> Tonio_: the v5 patch is on the wiki. Once you have made the packages, just quickly test them by inserting a CD or USB stick etc. :-/
[11:27] <Tonio_> _Sime_: okay, will do, thanks
[11:47] <gnomefreak> is it possible to add webboard to kicker? i cant find it in any of my menus


 wxl: Yo, around?
[18:39] <wxl> yep
 Got today's Lubuntu daily handy?
[18:39] <wxl> no, sorry
 Can you get one? :)
[18:40] <wxl> sure
[18:40] <wxl> whatcha need?
[18:40] <wxl> care about live, alternate, lxqt?
 Looking for a fix with gQuigs and I need the output of /proc/swaps
[18:41] <wxl> is live sufficient?
 Yep.
 In fact, only live matters.
 But desktop, not alt
[18:41] <wxl> k working on it
 Thanks man
 I got daily
 VM works?
 Yep
[18:43] <wxl> ^^ still need me?
 Depends if @Neyder can get me the output of /proc/swaps :)
 (via pastebin)
 BTW wxl, I'm hunting bug 1763611. gQuigs' theory is that Ubiquity is wrong. Take a look: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/scripts/plugininstall.py#L761
 @Luiz Cláudio, No.
[18:47]  * wxl kicks ubot
[18:47] <wxl> ah
 Thanks for asking. :)
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/nhXjfBl.jpg
 Wait
 Oh no.
[18:51] <wxl> twiddle from a tty and back
 Did ut
 It
 But lost my mouse xD
[18:52] <wxl> oh vbox
 Wait trying again
[18:53] <wxl> huh i'm getting some weird stuff too
 I happen to be friends with the VirtualBox maintainer. XD
 I'll ask.
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/Jq0gLr8.jpg
 @Neyder, Ah, see, wxl that isn't what's being picked up.
 I'll throw forth a Ubiquity patch tonight.
 Many thanks @Neyder!
 @tsimonq2, Still need pastebin
 @Neyder, Nah, you should be good. ;)
 @Luiz Cláudio, Some flaws at first boot but great
 @Neyder, True.
 @Luiz Cláudio, Cool. :)
 BTW wxl, did you see that super quick Qt transition last week? o_o
 30 hours is a record as far as that's concerned.
[19:30]  * lyn||orian has mostly been working on manual lately
 Thank you for that! :)
 I did highlight your recent work in the recent newsletter.
[19:34]  * lyn||orian smiles
[19:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] ianorlin opened pull request #34: make chapter titles consistent in office applications. (master...master) https://git.io/vpm5c
[19:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] ianorlin closed pull request #34: make chapter titles consistent in office applications. (master...master) https://git.io/vpm5c
 By the way, if anyone wants to help lyn||orian with the manual, help is much appreciated. :)
[20:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] ianorlin opened pull request #35: add portion for screenshot (master...master) https://git.io/vpmbW
 Hi! If Lubuntu Next is continually being improved, have not you thought about turning Lubuntu Next into a rolling release?
 We don't have that option.
 And, it's not feasible.
 Ok. Just to know. Thanks
[21:53] <tsimonq2> wxl: https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/ubiquity/lp-1763611/+merge/343742