[00:00] <mads-> coreymon77 : Yessir..  :S
[00:01] <coreymon77> lol
[00:02] <ps3kimme> m namea borat, i lika you..i like sex...it's very niice :D..sry..im bored..
[00:03] <coreymon77> ummm
[00:03] <ps3kimme> yuuup
[00:03] <coreymon77> that was odd
[00:03] <ps3kimme> hahahahahhh
[00:04] <candan> how can i install xmms?
[00:04] <PhoenixGI> bah, Sounds aren't working right now...  A troll...
[00:24] <Lupus-SLE> Lets poke it!
[00:24] <scrote> yes a question
[00:26] <Lupus-SLE> xineui isn't very good at all
[00:26] <Lupus-SLE> I'd use a frontend like... kaffeine
[00:26] <Lupus-SLE> Also amarok is the best media player EVER
[00:26] <Lupus-SLE> Not just for x os... ever
[00:26] <Lupus-SLE> Means bend over and take it winamp... TAKE IT LIKE THE AOL TAINTED COW THAT YOU ARE!

[00:26] <Lupus-SLE> scrote: Continue
[00:27] <stdin> umm, offtopic much?
[00:27] <Lupus-SLE> Not at all
[00:27] <Lupus-SLE> It's Kubuntu related discussion.
[00:27] <stdin> no, it's a rant
[00:27] <stdin> and not on topic
[00:27] <Lupus-SLE> stdin: I didn't type </rage> for lulz
[00:27] <Lupus-SLE> I meant I was finished
[00:28] <stdin> that's not the point, the point is you should have said it here, that's why we have -offtopic
[00:28] <Lupus-SLE> I SHOULD of said it here?
[00:28] <Lupus-SLE> I'm glad you approve ^_^
[00:28] <stdin> of the sentiment, yeah :p
[00:29] <han_> hello every body
[00:29] <Lupus-SLE> sup
[00:29] <Lupus-SLE> !troll
[00:29] <han_> someone of Spain?
[00:29] <Lupus-SLE> Awww....
[00:29] <stdin> !es
[00:29] <stdin> !search troll
[00:29] <stdin> pick one :)
[00:30] <Lupus-SLE> !search
[00:30] <Lupus-SLE> !search lulz
[00:30] <Lupus-SLE> Aww... non lulz
[00:30] <stdin> you can /msg ubottu too, to save on the channel spam ;)
[00:30] <stdin> one or two, I don't mind though
[00:36] <luis__> hola
[00:36] <jabba_> how do i enable other repositories?
[00:36] <deffinne> brazil
[00:36] <luis__> alguien por alli??
[00:37] <jabba_> i have a clean install here and i think it's notlooking at, uh, multiverse?
[00:37] <luis__> mmm
[00:37] <stdin> jabba_: open Adept, go to Adept -> Manage Repositories
[00:37] <stdin> !br
[00:37] <stdin> !es
[00:37] <deffinne> nobody from brazil
[00:37] <engineer> sou de portugal
[00:38] <deffinne> mrs or ms ?
[00:38] <engineer> Mr
[00:38] <luis__> mr
[00:38] <luis__> und u?
[00:38] <deffinne> talk portuguese
[00:38] <engineer> not here
[00:38] <engineer> english only
[00:38] <luis__> español
[00:38] <engineer> yo hable espanol tambien
[00:38] <stdin> luis__: #kubuntu-es
[00:38] <engineer> hablo*
[00:38] <luis__> bien
[00:38] <deffinne> i am more or less
[00:38] <luis__> dime
[00:39] <deffinne> brazilian is here?
[00:39] <engineer> no
[00:39] <stdin> deffinne: #ubuntu-br
[00:39] <engineer> portuguese is in #ubuntu-pt
[00:39] <deffinne> ok men
[00:40] <engineer> luis__ que?
[00:40] <luis__> Luis MURGA
[00:40] <engineer> what about him?
[00:41] <stdin> #kubuntu is English only, use #ubuntu-br / #ubuntu-pt for Portuguese, or #kubuntu-es / #ubuntu-es for Spanish
[00:41] <stdin> offtopic chatter in #kubuntu-offtopic
[01:01] <draik> How do I setup a wired eth0 connection through CLI?
[01:01] <draik> The KNetworkManager keeps on deleting the information I put in for the configuration of eth0 and Domain Name Servers under the Domain Name System tab.
[01:24] <epimeth> draik: yes... it does that
[01:24] <draik> epimeth: How do I make it not do that?
[01:24] <epimeth> but what you can do is set up the card manually through network manager
[01:25] <draik> I have
[01:25] <draik> It still forgets everything
[01:26] <draik> I even set it up to activate when it boots, that disolves once I close KNetworkManager
[01:26] <epimeth> dunno... I only use dhcp
[01:26] <epimeth> I use manual configs for servers
[01:28] <slyboots> Hi :)
[01:29] <epimeth> ahoy!
[01:29] <monkeybritches> yoho
[01:29] <epimeth> who you calling a ho?
[01:29] <sensae> Okay, everyone seems braindead in #ubuntu.
[01:29] <monkeybritches> ahoy?
[01:29] <epimeth> thats what happens when you use gnome...
[01:29] <epimeth> :-D
[01:29] <sensae> lol
[01:30] <sensae> I'm trying to set up a RAID 5, and I can't write more than one partition to it
[01:30] <epimeth> ouch
[01:30] <epimeth> I'd love to help, but I can't :-)
[01:30] <sensae> Fdisk won't write any partitions to the md device, it just spits out an error 22. The built in server partitioner tells me the rest of the space is "unusable" because 1 partition is too many primary partitions
[01:30] <sensae> :/
[01:30] <epimeth> have you tried searching for "raid" in https://help.ubuntu.com/community
[01:31] <Lupus-SLE> Is it actually possible to get kubuntu to install to a partition on a raid drive?
[01:31] <monkeybritches> Is it a scsi raid?
[01:31] <sensae> Nope
[01:31] <sensae> Nope to the SCSI question
[01:31] <monkeybritches> SATA 'fake raid' then?
[01:31] <Lupus-SLE> Because that would make something for me considerably easier
[01:31] <slyboots> Is there a guide for setting up a Macbook pro in Kubuntu, (instead of Ubuntu)
[01:31] <sensae> Two PATA, one SATA
[01:31] <sensae> Well I'm using MDADM so it's fakeraid no matter
[01:32] <monkeybritches> I would start by looking in the BIOS
[01:32] <Walzmyn> anybody familiar with cinelerra?
[01:32] <sensae> monkeybritches: For what?
[01:32] <Lupus-SLE> Is kubuntu install to raid possible?
[01:32] <monkeybritches> If it's an onboard raid, it will need to be enabled
[01:33] <monkeybritches> That's assuming it is...
[01:33] <sensae> No, it's software RAID. mdadm is kernel-level
[01:34] <monkeybritches> slyboots: There should be little difference between setting up Kubuntu and Ubuntu
[01:34] <monkeybritches> sensae: Well you've got me there, I have yet to try that
[01:34] <sensae> Lupus-SLE: I wouldn't see why not. I've had text-only server installs on RAID.
[01:34] <draik> epimeth: I have set it up with Automatic DHCP and still won't do it
[01:35] <Lupus-SLE> sensae: My friend has 2 sata drives
[01:35] <Lupus-SLE> I'm thinking of giving him a fresh OS install
[01:35] <Lupus-SLE> Mostly because everythings fucked up
[01:35] <Lupus-SLE> But I'm thinking if I could I might reinstate his raid
[01:36] <sensae> Lupus-SLE: I don't think the standard 'desktop' Kubuntu or Ubuntu discs support RAID graphically, but it shouldn't be that hard to set up
[01:36] <Lupus-SLE> Does it depend on the driver as much as it does in Windows?
[01:36] <sensae> I'm not sure how Windows software RAID works, I've never done it.
[01:36] <Lupus-SLE> Because that gave me HELL
[01:37] <sensae> but mdadm is just a kernel module.  I'll leave
[01:38] <Lupus-SLE> sleep now
[01:39] <sensae> lol
[01:43] <mmm__> hi
[01:43] <draik> How do I setup a wired eth0 connection through CLI?
[01:43] <draik> The KNetworkManager keeps on deleting the information I put in for the configuration of eth0 and Domain Name Servers under the Domain Name System tab.
[01:49] <Walzmyn> this is right damned anoying - I've managed to wade through this weird interface to create my movie, but I can't figure out how to save/export it
[01:50] <BluesKaj> Walzmyn, just arrived ...what app did you use ?
[01:50] <Walzmyn> BluesKaj, you saw my only comment, it's cinelerra
[01:50] <keaton> I'm having major issues installing Kubuntu on a friend's system.
[01:51] <BluesKaj> oooh, not familiar with cinelerra at all :(
[01:51] <Walzmyn> BluesKaj, the save function offers you different formats (avi, mpg) but it saves it as file.mpg.xml and nothing can us eit
[01:51] <Walzmyn> All I wanna do is trim a bit off one file and add another on the back of it
[01:52] <Walzmyn> keaton, what's the problem?
[01:52] <keaton> First, using the standard install CD dosen't work because neither the standard or vga video drivers work. Now I'm trying the alternative CD, and that dosen't work, because A) It says that something called APIC dosen't work, and B) When I pass 'noapic' on the boot line, when it trys to install the system it gives me this: Debootstrap Error: Failed to determine the codename for the release.
[01:52] <BluesKaj> xml eh, maybe you need to use dvdauthor/makexml to create the dvd structure
[01:53] <Walzmyn> keaton what kinda computer?
[01:53] <Walzmyn> BluesKaj, huh?
[01:54] <BluesKaj> oh sorry , you obviously got it mpg'd , didn't realize
[01:54] <Walzmyn> BluesKaj, don't think i need a dvd structure, this is a 1 min clip bound for youtube
[01:54] <keaton> An HP Pavilion almost identical to mine, which works PERFECTLY I might add, except it uses Intel processors instead of AMD, and it's video card is a PCI Nvidia instead of an onboard Nvidia.
[01:54] <Walzmyn> keaton, fairly new?
[01:55] <keaton> Yeah, less than 2 years old, 2 GB of RAM, 250 GB HDD, all good stuff.
[01:55] <Walzmyn> BluesKaj, i don't care what format is gets out in, as long as youtube can read it. My mom wants to see the 5 month old playing with the dog
[01:55] <keaton> Also, I forgot to mention, it can't determine network information either during the alternative installation.
[01:56] <Walzmyn> keaton, hmm, odd. You shouldn't need anything other than the regular CD - d'ya think the disk might be courpted?
[01:56] <keaton> And the alternate install goes reaaaaally slow.
[01:56] <keaton> If you mean the installer CD, that's impossible, I burned it literally 30 minutes ago.
[01:56] <keaton> Plus, I got the same results a coulple months ago the last time I tired.
[01:56] <keaton> *tried
[01:56] <Walzmyn> keaton, i figured you were going to say that.
[01:57] <keaton> It's really aggrivating, I've never had this much trouble putting linux on anything.
[01:57] <Walzmyn> keaton, well, my appligies, but I don't think I can help ya.
[01:57] <keaton> I'll try asking elsewhere, thanks for the help though.
[01:57] <Walzmyn> try googling that apci problem
[01:58] <Walzmyn> you might need to change something in the bios on that computer
[01:58] <draik> Does anyone else have the same issue with KNetworkManager? The laptop won't go past connection to the router.
[01:59] <BluesKaj> keaton, definitely a strange problem, does it run a live cd ok ?
[01:59] <Walzmyn> draik, do you mean you can connect to the router but not to the internet?
[01:59] <keaton> No, that's why I'm using the alternate.
[01:59] <draik> Walzmyn: Yes.
[02:00] <keaton> It wouldn't boot because X couldn't start, and the Live CD's cli interface is garbadge.
[02:00] <BluesKaj> gotta be hardware recognition
[02:00] <Walzmyn> draik, i've got a similar issue - my router does not like linux....
[02:00] <Walzmyn> draik, i'm dual bootin gmy desktop and the connection is better and fast with winders
[02:00] <keaton> I looked up APIC, which wouldn't start at the beginning, it's something called an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller.
[02:00] <BluesKaj> hmm keaton , does it have windows on it right now ?
[02:00] <keaton> It's an essential part of the motherboard, and the system can't initialize it...
[02:01] <keaton> Yes, it has XP Pro.
[02:01] <Walzmyn> draik, i switched this laptop from vista to linux and now it's a good bit slower on the net, but fine connecting to the router
[02:01] <keaton> Using about 3/5ths of the drive, fyi.
[02:01] <FreckledP> I'm having troubles with my mixer under 8.04.  PCM is the only one that affects volume at all.  I have poked about and it appears that the mixer settings are pointing somehow mixed up (not sure what that means).  Anyone have an idea how to fix it?  (it's an Intel HD sound chip)
[02:01] <draik> Walzmyn: The strange part is that it used to go online with 7.10. With 8.04 I had it working two days ago. She rebooted and it was out. I had it on yesterday after applying "sudo dhclient eth0"
[02:02] <Walzmyn> keaton, be glad you don't have vista. clean install from the factory took up 40 gigs
[02:02] <Walzmyn> draik, just to cover the bases, you've rebooted the router and modem?
[02:02] <draik> Walzmyn: Yes
[02:02] <keaton> I meant that 3/5ths are partitioned NTFS, the rest is left empty for Linux.
[02:03] <damien_> Can someone help me install Java?
[02:03] <Walzmyn> keaton, and i meant that vista is a bloated resource hog  :)
[02:03] <FreckledP> sorry, what I mean is that there is somewhere a file that defines the device that the mixer affects, and the particular sliders of the mixer.  Anyone know where this file is and how to fix it?
[02:04] <BluesKaj> FreckledP, alsamixer, in the terminal
[02:04] <damien_> Can someone help me install Java?
[02:05] <FreckledP> BluesKaj, right.  if I play with the master slider, it doesn't do anything.  only the PCM slider
[02:05] <BluesKaj> use adept , damien_ , it has all the required up to date java versions
[02:05] <Walzmyn> damien_, didn't java come installed?
[02:05] <epimeth> !java
[02:05] <Walzmyn> does that say don't use adapt to install java at all, or just if you're on dapper?
[02:06] <BluesKaj> FreckledP, do you have all the slider ctrls unmuted , use the M key if not
[02:06] <damien_> epimeth: Thanks
[02:06] <epimeth> no worries
[02:06] <FreckledP> BluesKaj, yes, I checked that.  From what I read, the problem is that the mixer uses device numbers (hex of some kind, i think) and that the 'devices' are mixed up.
[02:07] <epimeth> Walzmyn: just if you're on dapper
[02:07] <Walzmyn> wonder why not?
[02:08] <damien_> Okay, now I'm stuck at a screen that says <Ok> at the bottom and cannot get out of it
[02:08] <damien_> And apparently it didn't install Java >_>
[02:08] <FreckledP> BluesKaj, this is the url/bug that it is mentioned in.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/alsa-driver/+bug/149622/comments/6
[02:08] <BluesKaj> FreckledP, you could try fooling with kmix , enable Master & PCM on the output tab , then CD & IEC playback (if listed) on the Input tab , next make sure Mix & IEC958 are enabled on the Switches tab , then click on Settings/Configure Kmix and apply
[02:10] <BluesKaj> FreckledP, sorry I have no clue what that url is referring to
[02:10] <draik> Walzmyn: Got any suggestions? I recall there was a file that you can add your information and it was saved for you, but it's been over 2 years since I recall this.
[02:10] <FreckledP> BluesKaj, haha...exactly
[02:11] <damien_> Can anyone help me :|
[02:11] <Walzmyn> draik, sorry, catching back up, you're trying to get it to keep your 'net password?
[02:11] <epimeth> damien_: what happens when you hit return/
[02:11] <damien_> Nothing
[02:11] <BluesKaj> damien_, it's waiting for you to answer yes to the licence agreement
[02:11] <epimeth> have you tried tab and then return?
[02:11] <draik> Walzmyn: Password? I'm trying to make it go online and continue being online after a reboot
[02:12] <damien_> No i didn't hold on
[02:12] <Walzmyn> draik, ok, right. No, i'm not sure what to tell you. it's the old "it works for me"
[02:12] <damien_> I got an error when trying this thing
[02:12] <draik> Walzmyn: Same here.  This is my friend's laptop. Today is day 3 with this issue.
[02:12] <damien_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:13] <damien_> Nothing else is using it as far as I can tell.
[02:16] <Agent_bob> what's the standard way to clear a function ?    "unset" ?
[02:16] <mrpenguin> i installed nvidia drivers for linux and now it only detects my old CRT monitor (but it says unknown)
[02:17] <mrpenguin> is there a way to get it to detect my other monitors
[02:17] <damien_> !java
[02:17] <mrpenguin> this 1024 resolution is unusable.
[02:18] <Admiral_Chicago> mrpenguin: did you try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[02:19] <damien_> Is there anyway to make it so I don't need to sudo before I do stuff?
[02:20] <Art_> damien_, Do sudo su, then <passwd> to run as root.
[02:20] <damien_> Okay
[02:22] <Art_> damien_, Then 'exit' to return to user.
[02:24] <rophy> hi
[02:24] <greeenpeas> hello
[02:25] <rophy> i wanna have some sort of fun chat on irc
[02:25] <rophy> how can i use Konversation
[02:26] <Art_> Has anyone gotten CUPS working on Kubuntu 8.04?
[02:26] <greeenpeas> i have
[02:26] <Art_> What's your secret?
[02:26] <greeenpeas> none. it just worked.
[02:26] <Art_> I keep getting permission error.
[02:27] <greeenpeas> mine's a network printer
[02:27] <greeenpeas> not sure if that makes a difference
[02:27] <Art_> Could be, I dunno.
[02:27] <greeenpeas> also, it's an HP printer
[02:28] <Art_> Mine is an Epson.
[02:28] <greeenpeas> perhaps it's better supported?
[02:28] <haryono> Why my kubuntu hang up many time
[02:28] <Art_> This one has always worked well with older distros.
[02:29] <greeenpeas> did it work with gutsy?
[02:29] <Art_> Yes, that's what I'm on right now.
[02:29] <greeenpeas> i had problems getting WPA to work
[02:30] <greeenpeas> it worked with edgy
[02:30] <greeenpeas> but not with gutsy or hardy
[02:30] <Art_> I just use WEP, no problems here.
[02:31] <greeenpeas> ok.
[02:31] <Art_> I don't leave it on all the time.
[02:31] <Art_> All my neighbors use WEP.
[02:31] <greeenpeas> ok. i reverted to using a wired  conn.
[02:33] <Art_> Re: CUPS, the message I get is "Unable to open parallel port device file: Permission denied."
[02:34] <greeenpeas> perhaps you should use sudo...
[02:34] <Art_> I allow both both root & art as users.
[02:35] <greeenpeas> and in both casses you get the same error message?
[02:35] <Art_> Yes.
[02:35] <greeenpeas> that's odd.
[02:35] <greeenpeas> not that I am an expert by any measure.
[02:35] <Art_> Maybe I should reinstall CUPS.
[02:36] <Art_> i can't move over to the new partition 'til I get printing working.
[02:36] <greeenpeas> ok.
[02:37] <greeenpeas> am curious: how do you configure CUPS? do you go through the "system settings" menu item?
[02:38] <Art_> No, i use <IP_ADDRESS>:631.  CUPS interface.
[02:38] <greeenpeas> ah, ok.
[02:38] <greeenpeas> i think i configured mine via system settings
[02:39] <Art_> I think I tried the system settings too.
[02:42] <intelikey> Join to #kubuntu was synched in 108.055 secs!!
[02:42] <intelikey> that seems just a little long to me.
[02:44] <intelikey> and code traveling to/from <IP_ADDRESS>:6667 sure seems slow.
[02:49] <intelikey> so what is the standard way to clear a function ?   unset function_name ?
[02:51] <Ferrenrock> hey guys I'm interested in installing kubuntu, am I on the right channel?
[02:52] <intelikey> no channel needed for that.   you just need the installation disk
[02:53] <intelikey> !install | Ferrenrock
[02:53] <Ferrenrock> yeah I know, I've already tested it on the liveCD but I have some questions
[02:53] <Ferrenrock> like my wireless card wasn't identified
[02:53] <Ferrenrock> I assume I need a package
[02:53] <Ferrenrock> is there a good place to find stuff like that?
[02:53] <intelikey> !wifi | Ferrenrock
[02:54] <Ferrenrock> thank you
[02:54] <Ferrenrock> I'll stay on the channel, but thank you for being so helpful
[02:54] <intelikey> welcome.
[02:56] <Ferrenrock> I tried out the other versions of ubuntu and some other linux distros, but I really like the KDE/ubuntu combo
[02:57] <intelikey> try them all then build your own.   only way to get what you really want.
[02:58] <Ferrenrock> yeah, unfortunately I'm still a novice programmer
[02:58] <Ferrenrock> *really* novice
[02:58] <Ferrenrock> like
[02:58] <Ferrenrock> I started learning C last week on my own
[02:58] <Ferrenrock> hahahaha
[02:58] <intelikey> i C
[02:59] <intelikey> err no i don't C or C++   really.
[02:59] <Ferrenrock> i C what you did thar
[02:59] <Ferrenrock> what do you use? python?
[02:59] <intelikey> shell grammer mostly
[02:59] <Ferrenrock> yeah I'm even more novice than that
[02:59]  * intelikey is a script writer.
[02:59] <Ferrenrock> so i C
[03:00] <Ferrenrock> I have arch on an old POS computer and it only has bash
[03:00] <Ferrenrock> so that's been hard to figure out
[03:00] <Ferrenrock> kubuntu uses dash right?
[03:00] <intelikey> yes
[03:00] <Ferrenrock> how big is the difference?
[03:00] <intelikey> "it only has bash" <<< i assume you mean "no gui"
[03:01] <Ferrenrock> yeah
[03:01] <Ferrenrock> pretty barebones
[03:01] <Ferrenrock> I have nano and a gcc compiler and some other fun stuff
[03:01] <Ferrenrock> but pretty basic
[03:01] <intelikey> Ferrenrock bash is installed as the default user shell dash is the default /bin/sh    dash is a fully posix compliant shell   it lacks many of the bash extentions and features but is quite usable.
[03:02] <BluesKaj> intelikey, if I post a python script , can pick out the faults in it ?
[03:02] <Ferrenrock> so basically bash is almost an extension of dash--it just has extra commands?
[03:02] <intelikey> probably not.    but a shell script i might.
[03:03] <intelikey> Ferrenrock no.
[03:03] <BluesKaj> well it is a shell script really
[03:03] <intelikey> BluesKaj lets not get nitpicky
[03:04] <Ferrenrock> so how different are we looking at this being?
[03:05] <intelikey> Ferrenrock bash is not really related to dash,  but both can provide a /bin/sh "shell"  some of the main differances is that dash is fully posix compliant and bash is not.  some of the bash tweeks like it's builtin echo command requiring the -e switch before it will recognize escaped chars is not posix.
[03:06] <Betus> someone to set up an ATI 9250?
[03:07] <intelikey> Ferrenrock most of the things that keep bash from being fully posix are accepted by most as being "better"  but that's another topic altogather.   the size differance is pretty big between the two also.
[03:07] <Ferrenrock> what differences does posix compliance bring to the system?
[03:07] <Ferrenrock> in layman's terms, if you could
[03:07] <BluesKaj> intelikey, ok , http://www.pastebin.ca/1046654 this script is in /etc/init.d and it's supposed to run as a daemon for the pyTivo app , which acts a server for media transfers to our TiVo.
[03:08] <Betus> someone to set one ATI 9250?
[03:08] <intelikey> on the surface little or none.  but when things like postinstallation scripts break because of non-posix code  it matters.
[03:09] <intelikey> BluesKaj looking
[03:09] <Ferrenrock> intelikey: I read the wikipedia entry and it seems that posix is like a set of standards. Is that correct?
[03:10] <intelikey> BluesKaj that's not python,  that a shell script
[03:11] <intelikey> and judging from line one   it needs to be fully posix compliant or line one should read #!/bin/bash insted
[03:11] <intelikey> Ferrenrock yes it is.
[03:11] <BluesKaj> yeah the actual pyTivo app is prolly python, sorry for the misleading statement
[03:12] <intelikey> !ati | Betus best i can do for ati is point you at this;
[03:12] <Ferrenrock> and I bet that the bash community believes that these standards 'hold down' a shell from realizing a better potential, so they think that putting bash outside of these standards the shell can perform better?
[03:12] <BluesKaj> ok intelikey , thanks
[03:12] <intelikey> BluesKaj welcome.
[03:13] <intelikey> BluesKaj do you want me to debug the script ?
[03:13] <intelikey> Ferrenrock probably   you can ask in #bash  they are all about that.
[03:14] <Ferrenrock> I'll bet
[03:14] <BluesKaj> ok, if you think it's required , intelikey
[03:15] <intelikey> Ferrenrock they will probably tell you that using the symlink /bin/sh to point to /bin/bash and starting it as /bin/sh will give you a posix compliant bash session.  but it does actually break a few minor standards.
[03:16] <Ferrenrock> but isn't that just layering the sh over bash?
[03:18] <intelikey> BluesKaj ummm checking $? on a command that was backgrounded may not work like you want it to   lines 29 & 30
[03:19] <BluesKaj> yeah intelikey , that script tutorial suggested to use bin/sh to symlink to cause the script to be executed when the system goes down, or comes up.
[03:20] <BluesKaj> ok what do you suggest?
[03:20] <asobi> i just wiped my ipod playlist with amarok, how do i get it back?
[03:21] <intelikey> BluesKaj to test;   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d6dcda2d3
[03:22] <intelikey> BluesKaj you will have to wait for the command to exit to recieve any exit code from it.   you can test for the existance of the command and the existance of it's target arg and use that for the return code   but you can't test for an exit code on a backgrounded process
[03:23] <intelikey> btw  $?  is exitcode of the last "exited" process
[03:24] <MachinatorSyver> anyone know how to play mkv files? kaffiene has no audio, mplayer de-syncs sound and video and vlc randomly crashes or the video stops for a bit while the audio continues
[03:25] <Ferrenrock> intelikey do you know any good resources that will help me familiarize myself with dash? How did you become familiar with it?
[03:25] <BluesKaj> well, it calls up ffmpeg when a video transfer is executed from the the Tivo and it will fail if ffmpeg is already running for example
[03:26] <intelikey> BluesKaj i'm just saying that line 30 will always be true.
[03:26] <intelikey> a more detailed example http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d43da4283
[03:27] <intelikey> sorry line 31 my bad.
[03:27] <intelikey> thus you script will exit at line 31 every time.
[03:27] <BluesKaj> should I delete that line ?
[03:27] <intelikey> no.
[03:28] <intelikey> just ammend the test to check for something useful
[03:28] <intelikey> checking exitcode of & is kinda bogus  ;/  :)))
[03:29] <BluesKaj> sorry , i don't understand ...this scripting is basicly greek to me
[03:32] <intelikey> give me a minute  i'll clean it up a little.
[03:33] <BluesKaj> ok cool
[03:36] <Pici> stdin: good thinking
[03:36] <stdin> best to be safe :)
[03:37] <BluesKaj> *!*@unaffiliated/taggard ?
[03:38] <stdin> a moron, don't give it another thought ;)
[03:43] <kubuntu-user-nee> hi... my internet isn't reliable, sometimes it works, most times it doesn't... it will stop working after a few hours or even a few minutes... so i'm in a ubuntu live cd atm... someone mind helping me figure out the problem?
[03:43] <kubuntu-user-nee> never had this problem before in kubuntu
[03:44] <kubuntu-user-nee> in suse, i was able to right click knetwork manager and select a wifi point to use, but wasn't able to do it in kubuntu.. though i think i've done it before in previous installations of it
[03:45] <intelikey> BluesKaj have a look at     http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d10d38aae        see if it likes you any better ?
[03:45] <intelikey> BluesKaj you also might get stdin to look at the py script    i here he reads snake tracks pretty well.
[03:46] <AndreMilton> salut
[03:46] <BluesKaj> Ok cool intelikey , thanks a bunch :)
[03:47] <caryjebus> all my compiz effects just like stoepd working
[03:47] <intelikey> welcome
[03:47]  * BluesKaj opens some cold ones and passes them around
[03:48] <intelikey> ah a cold one   :)
[03:48] <caryjebus> all my compiz effects just like stoepd working
[03:48] <intelikey>                                     ^^
[03:49] <intelikey> that's a question
[03:49] <skreech> HOw much slack does ext3 give to files?
[03:50] <intelikey> !compiz | caryjebus
[03:50] <skreech>  Iwas copying data across from a WIndows box to a Ext3 partition over ss
[03:50] <skreech> ssh
[03:50] <intelikey> skreech does that depend on the reserved bit ?
[03:50] <skreech> when I came back it was spitting a whole string of errors
[03:50] <skreech> I did a du -s on the ext3 partion and it was just over 14 GB
[03:51] <skreech> I did a du -s on the NTFS and it was just over 13 GB
[03:51] <skreech> can I assume that everything got carried over?
[03:51] <intelikey> prolly not.
[03:51] <intelikey> what kind of errors
[03:51] <intelikey> ?
[03:51] <skreech> intelikey: Does what squashfs
[03:52] <skreech> intelikey: does what dpened on the reserved bit
[03:52] <skreech> intelikey: It was throwing squashfs errors
[03:52] <intelikey> the file slack
[03:52] <skreech> maybe
[03:52] <skreech> can I get a count of the files in a directory structure?
[03:52] <intelikey> skreech i thought you said ntfs and ext3  not squash ?
[03:53] <skreech> intelikey: doing it from a LIVECD which is of course squashfs
[03:54] <caryjebus> >_<
[03:54] <intelikey> skreech ok there your sq errors  the livecd   and if the errors were all squashfs errors then it's either out of ram or cd hickup or something like that.
[03:54] <skreech> intelikey: Yeah I got that :)
[03:54] <BluesKaj> well folks it's sacktime for me ...long day tomorrow
[03:55] <intelikey> skreech ls -A /path | wc -l
[03:55] <skreech> intelikey: I just want to know if the scp went thorough
[03:55] <skreech> A ok
[03:55] <intelikey> you can add -R if you want recursive
[03:56] <caryjebus> can someone help me
[03:56] <intelikey> skreech i'm still wondering what this has to do with the origenal Q  "<skreech> HOw much slack does ext3 give to files?"
[03:56] <skreech> intelikey: Smells good :)
[03:56] <skreech> intelikey: Well I copied them across and they took up about 1GB more than they did on NTFS
[03:57] <caryjebus> is there a way to delete my session
[03:57] <skreech> I wanted to know if that was a reporting error or would i expect that?
[03:57] <skreech> caryjebus: KDE session?
[03:57] <intelikey> ok.  like i said that depends on the "reserved" bit in the fs table....  tune2fs -l /dev/<device>
[03:57] <caryjebus> yah
[03:58] <skreech> intelikey: Ok grand. Reserved bit = more space I assume
[03:58] <intelikey> provabably 5%
[03:58] <intelikey>    b
[03:58] <intelikey> probobably  :)
[03:59] <intelikey> and yes all it does is reports used+5% for users but to root only used   and that keeps a user from actually filling the fs.
[04:01] <caryjebus_> nvm
[04:01] <intelikey> skreech   it will always have the "Reserved block count: = * "  amount free for root unless root fills it.
[04:02] <intelikey> skreech that answer your Q suficently ?
[04:02] <lopin> Hello...  Does anyone know how I can get cups working with Vista?
[04:02] <lopin> Everything's just kinda going into printer limbo...
[04:03] <intelikey> !cups
[04:03] <intelikey> lopin last link there ^
[04:03]  * lopin applauds...
Yep, definitely didn't try that!</sarcasm>
[04:05] <jhutchins>  vista is not compatible with networks or other operating systems.
[04:05] <intelikey> heh
[04:05] <jhutchins> Not compatible with PC hardware either.
[04:05] <intelikey> vesta is not compatable
[04:05] <lopin> I had to laugh at that, but it's not helping me right now...  ^.^
[04:05] <jhutchins> It's interface is not compatible with humans...
[04:06] <lopin> It's installed the printer, and it acts like it's printing...  But then...  Nothing...
[04:06] <jhutchins> We had one guy who held out for almost six months before he ditched it and went back to xp.
[04:06] <lopin> Would I be able to print if I shared it over samba?  And if I could, how do I set up a samba share?  Samba's always confused the crap out of me...
[04:06] <lopin> And, it's a friends computer, and I can't move them back to XP...
[04:07] <skreech> intelikey: ok I think my math is off
[04:07] <jhutchins> lopin: well, that would have been the default way to serve it to windows.  Assuming that the vista cups compatibility isn't compatible...
[04:07] <lopin> But, they are dual booting Ubuntu, but it's installed through Wubi, and they think that it's kinda odd that it won't hibernate, and then the wireless card gets all hot...
[04:07] <lopin> I installed it with ipp, but it's just sitting there...
[04:07]  * intelikey thinks one could always accidently do a cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda on the windows box....
[04:07] <skreech> intelikey: ls -AR | wc -l on ext3 = 85625
[04:08] <lopin> Like, I have the page open, and I hit print test page, and it works instantly...
[04:08] <skreech> intelikey: ls -AR | wc -l on ntfs = 88568
[04:08] <intelikey> skreech there were other inodes on the ext3 already ?
[04:09] <lopin> Then, when I print something in firefox, it just sits there, and IE doesn't even give me a print button...
[04:09] <skreech> intelikey: ls -AR | wc -l on ext3/windows = 19844 (last dir copied and I'm rm it anyway)
[04:09] <skreech> intelikey: ls -AR | wc -l on NTFS\windows = 22828
[04:09] <skreech> intelikey: what's the diff between the two numbers
[04:09] <intelikey> yeah you got toasted by a full ram or something.
[04:09] <skreech> or the diff between the diff of the two discrepancies :)
[04:10] <skreech> I'm missing more files in a single dir than I am missing files in total
[04:10] <intelikey> skreech yes.  look again at the totals
[04:11] <skreech> or to put it again I'm missing -59 files
[04:11] <intelikey> right.    something puked on the fs.
[04:11] <intelikey> clean it up.
[04:12] <intelikey> i'm thinking that scp did a doodle on your ext3
[04:13] <intelikey> check the free ram.  and turn off the screen saver before you leave it to do that again.
[04:13]  * skreech doesn't like doodles
[04:13] <skreech> so blow that away and recopy?
[04:13] <intelikey> yes
[04:13] <intelikey> and turn off the screensaver first.
[04:13] <intelikey> that's probably what ate the ram
[04:14] <skreech> ha ha
[04:15] <intelikey> i mean a 3d screensaver on a liveCD by default    come on...
[04:15] <intelikey> opengl at that
[04:15] <intelikey> not even hardware
[04:16] <skreech> ok
[04:16] <skreech> going agin
[04:17] <intelikey> going into lag mode.   back in a few days.
[04:29] <ybit> what could be the cause of my internet being unreliable?
[04:29] <ybit> i was in here a littl while ago
[04:29] <ybit> it's working now..
[04:29] <ejm> grrrr how do I setup samba to work with xp and ubuntu?
[04:30] <ejm> I have a hp f300 series, and it's not working on the xp machine.
[04:30] <ybit> and my knetworkmanager doesn't show wireless connections :|
[04:30] <ybit> complain complain complain :P
[04:30] <ybit> srsly though, it gets slightly annoying
[04:35] <ejm> so sick of this happening...darn it.
[04:39] <Guest47129> !samba
[04:42] <Guest47129> ybit: I just checked and my knetwork manager won't even open but it's not needed to set up internet
[04:43] <ybit> Guest47129: i realize it isn't needed to setup internet.. but i'm wanting it to show me wireless networks to connect to when it fails to connect through my cable connection
[04:44] <ybit> so that i can google for my problem
[04:44] <ybit> without having to boot into a live cd
[04:44] <ybit> but.. now.. i'm installing ubuntu-desktop so that i can go into ubuntu to search for the problem
[04:44] <ybit> because ubuntu works
[04:45] <ybit> wish there was more money going into the kde development
[04:45] <ybit> and i wish it was ubuntu with diff. flavors: gnome, kde, fluxbox, xmonad, awesome, etc
[04:45] <ybit> but, meh, now i'm complaining
[04:47] <Guest47129> can't you just open a terminal and type netstat?
[04:48] <skreech> !samba
[04:49] <Guest47129> /identify at2727
[04:49] <skreech> anyone have a small KDE distro?
[04:49] <NickPresta> skreech, what do you mean?
[04:50] <skreech> NickPresta: one that can run in >100 Megs of RAM
[04:50] <rav> hello. when I try to open the printer section, in System Settings, it hangs up. Also if I try to open the HPLIP toolbox, or try to print from any KDE application. I have cups and foomatic installed, what could be wrong?
[04:52] <Guest47129> skreech: I know of a linux program that small but i don't think it's kde based
[04:54] <skreech> I think most linux programs can run in >100 MB of RAM :)
[04:54] <liza> hi anybody can help me on how to download music to mp3 im using amarok
[04:55] <NickPresta> liza, download music from where?
[04:55] <liza> im using amarok
[04:56] <NickPresta> liza, where is this music coming from? Your iPod? A CD?
[04:56] <liza> CD and from imeem
[04:56] <ejm> i hate samba and cups. and ubuntu for not dealing with this area the most...they make it easy for compiz to be enabled or disabled..but when it comes to cups and networked printing, it's no better than gentoo or slack.
[04:58] <NickPresta> liza, Open up the Amarok menu. Engage -> Play Audio CD
[04:58] <rav> ejm: the first time i plugged in my printer it recognized and it said it was ready to use. I thought 'yay', but now that I try to print, I can't
[04:58] <NickPresta> ejm, I found network printing quite easy. < 10 seconds to setup
[04:58] <ejm> i can print locally, but not over a network...
[04:58] <rav> i can't print at all
[04:58] <ejm> no offense, but could you show me a how to or something for doing it?
[04:59] <ejm> so annoyed....lol
[04:59] <NickPresta> ejm, did you use the "Add Printer Wizard"?
[04:59] <ejm> yeah
[04:59] <NickPresta> ejm, and? where did the error occur?
[05:00] <ejm> there's no error.
[05:00] <rav> NickPresta: where is that wizard?
[05:00] <ejm> my windows machine can't print to the hp...even though it can see it.
[05:01] <ejm> aw screw it...i'll go to b&n and get the huge ubuntu book tomorrow..maybe it can tell me what i'm doing wrong.
[05:01] <ejm> lol thanks though. somethings are hit & miss for me and linux..
[05:02] <NickPresta> rav, in Kcontrol -> Printers -> Add Printer/Class
[05:04] <rav> NickPresta: Kcontrol becomes non-responsive when i click on Printers
[05:04] <liza> Nickpresta,thanks for teaching me.but how to download the music to my mp3?
[05:05] <rav> liza: are you using an ipod?
[05:05] <skreech> !IPOD
[05:05] <liza> no
[05:06] <liza> RCA Lyra mp3 is what im using@rav
[05:07] <brand0con> im running kubuntu on an eee pc and i want to unconstrain windows on the top of the screen
[05:07] <brand0con> anyone know how
[05:09] <rav> liza: does it read it as a flash drive when you plug it in?
[05:09] <brand0con> im running kubuntu on an eee pc and i want to unconstrain windows on the top of the screen. anyone know how.  i cant seem to find the option
[05:09] <liza> yes rav
[05:10] <rav> liza: in amarok, Settings > Configure Amarok >Media devices
[05:11] <rav> liza: try the Autodetect
[05:11] <skreech> brand0con: unconstrain?
[05:12] <brand0con> unconstrain = make so it's not restricted to go beyond.  i want the top of my window to be above the visible screen
[05:12] <liza> rav it says no device detected
[05:13] <brand0con> i know i can hold alt to make the window move but it stops me at the top.  ive set this before in gnome through compiz but i dont know how in kde
[05:13] <rav> liza: then try Add device
[05:14] <rav> liza: I used the Generic Audio player with my old Creative mp3 player
[05:16] <brand0con> anyone?
[05:16] <michael_> I just installed kde4 and im a former gnome user.  I have one question, when i enable desktop effects all none kde apps are not visible when you try to view them  (eg. firefox)
[05:19] <liza> rav i did add it in my device does it mean i can download now?
[05:20] <rav> liza: if you specified the correct mount point, then you should be able to click on the Devices tab in the main amarok window and see what's inside
[05:26] <liza> when i add the device i select music sharing and i enter the name of the device but icannot enter the mount point of the device
[05:28] <rav> liza: use Generic Audio Player
[05:28] <benjamin> hello
[05:29] <benjamin> i just installed kubuntu 8.04... what repository do i need to add to adept manager to get firefox?
[05:30] <michael_> benjamin: jus search for it in aptitude
[05:30] <michael_> lol i mean adept
[05:30] <benjamin> i do, nothing shows up
[05:31] <michael_> wut distro u usin
[05:31] <benjamin> kubuntu 8.04
[05:31] <benjamin> brand spankin' new
[05:31] <michael_> SAME
[05:31] <ejm> search firefox.
[05:32] <ejm> or..do you have adept?
[05:32] <michael_> adept worked for me
[05:32] <benjamin> i have adept manager open
[05:32] <benjamin> i type "firefox" into the search box
[05:32] <michael_> but i updated from the reg kubuntu to kde4
[05:32] <benjamin> it doesn't find anything
[05:32] <michael_> wait a bit
[05:32] <ejm> yeah
[05:33] <michael_> lol
[05:33] <ejm> i've got firefox installed on kubuntu 8 right now.
[05:33] <michael_> same
[05:33] <michael_> ejm: did u ever get the 12 hr clock working?
[05:33] <ejm> sort of.
[05:33] <benjamin> ah, there we go
[05:33] <michael_> haha
[05:33] <ejm> i set the clock to lazy or whatever it is..
[05:33] <ejm> can't remember the right term
[05:34] <ejm> if i hold the mouse over the clock, it displays a 24 hr clock.
[05:35] <michael_> hmm did u right click on the clock or thru system settings do this
[05:36] <michael_> and i finnaly got rid of those dam notification every time u close and open a window
[05:37] <ejm> I think i right clicked on it.
[05:38] <ejm> i'm on my desktop ubuntu right now.
[05:38] <ejm> my laptop has kubuntu 64 bit on it.
[05:39] <michael_> oo
[05:39] <liza> rav what do you mean enqueue to transfer?does it mean i can transfer the music i want?
[05:41] <rav> liza: in amarok, you make a list of the songs you want to move from the pc to the mp3 player, the queue. once you're ready to transfer, you click on the Transfer button.
[05:42] <rav> liza: you have to click 'Connect' first
[05:42] <liza> all the music was already in the transfer queue box
[05:43] <brent_> hi i was just wondering what the cellphone icon on Pudgin means
[05:43] <rav> liza: that's what's inside the mp3 player. Try dragging a song from the playlist to the queue box
[05:45] <brent_> hi i was just wondering what the cellphone icon on Pidgin means. it sometimes appears by my buddies pictures. What does it mean?
[05:46] <liza> rav what do you mean with the pre-connect command?what should i put?
[05:46] <benjamin> i know msn has a feature whereby you can use it to exchange text messages with folks that have tied their cells to their msn... i don't know about pidgin for sure though
[05:46] <rav> liza: you shouldn't put anything there. it's for manual mounting of devices
[05:46] <brent_> yeah that might be what it means. thanx heaps for your help
[05:47] <liza> even in the post-diconnect command?
[05:48] <rav> liza: leave it blank, it should be fine if it's detected as a regular flash drive
[05:48] <liza> ok thanks rav
[05:49] <rav> liza: you're welcome
[05:49] <liza> now i did drag the music i want what's next?
[05:49] <rav> liza: click on 'Transfer'
[05:53] <norkmg> hola
[05:55] <liza> thank you for teaching me with this rav i really appreciate so much!
[05:56] <rav> liza: you're very welcome :)
[05:56] <liza> i have to go now :)
[06:27] <mrpenguin> does ubuntu include c standard library on default instal
[07:01] <noaXess> good morning
[07:01] <noaXess> how can i configur the email action from konqueror filemanager? rightclick/action/email...
[07:02] <tdm> got any kubuntu news - I'm installing 8.04 as we speak
[07:02] <tdm> any nknown bugs
[07:03] <tdm> any known bugs i should know about
[07:03] <tdm> is koffice better or openoffice
[07:03] <tdm> does koffice start quicker than openoffice
[07:03] <tdm> i've never tried koffice
[07:03] <tdm> ???
[07:04] <rvb> known bug is when you hover on an html file a nag screen appears
[07:04] <rvb> it can be solve though
[07:06] <tdm> how
[07:12] <rvb> @tdm : just search in google it has been filed and solved in kubuntu bugs i think
[07:14] <DreadKnight> is there anyway to see my computer specs in kubuntu?
[07:14] <DreadKnight> looking for something like hardinfo thingy...
[07:31] <tdm> use system > kinfocenter for system info
[07:38] <eagles051387> any one able to help me with some networking issues
[07:45] <eagles051387> anyone alive in here
[07:46] <eagles051387> the problem im having is yesterday i had to switch from a static ip to dynamic one using dhcp at my work. i edited the /etc/network/interfaces to allow for dhcp since the system settings gui wasnt storing teh settings and it seems like the same issue for goign from dhcp to static ip's i edited teh file mentioned earlier and still teh same issue it doesnt seem to like the setting it has
[07:47] <eagles051387> can anyone help me with this
[07:53] <eagles051387> anyone alive in here need some urgent help
[08:01] <wern> hello folks, cannot run my floppy disk under Kubuntu 7.04... anybody has any hint to solve this?
[08:04] <flaccid> !floppy | wern
[08:04] <eagles051387> flaccid can u help me with my issue
[08:04] <eagles051387> flaccid the problem im having is yesterday i had to switch from a static ip to dynamic one using dhcp at my work. i edited the /etc/network/interfaces to allow for dhcp since the system settings gui wasnt storing teh settings and it seems like the same issue for goign from dhcp to static ip's i edited teh file mentioned earlier and still teh same issue it doesnt seem to like the setting it has
[08:06] <flaccid> eagles051387: take out all interfaces except localhost from /etc/network/interfaces and then use knetworkmanager. if its wired ethernet you can test manually calling dhcp with sudo dhclient eth0 after killing existing dhclient processess
[08:07] <wern> Hi flaccid, thanks for the hint.. I will try..
[08:09] <eagles051387> flaccid at home here im on static ip internal net and the only 2 things there are in /etc/network/interfaces is loop back and ethneret device
[08:10] <flaccid> eagles051387: cool.
[08:10] <eagles051387> flaccid is there an entry in there for dns ip
[08:10] <eagles051387> or should there be
[08:11] <flaccid> eagles051387: read my response..
[08:11] <flaccid> you want dynamic right? thats given by the dhcp lease
[08:11] <eagles051387> flaccid want static
[08:12] <eagles051387> dont have a local host thing in that file
[08:12] <flaccid> eagles051387: so right click knetworkmanager and goto manual configuration and set it there, which will in turn set it in /etc/resolv.conf
[08:13] <eagles051387> flaccid thing is i have been doing that but it doesnt seem to store the settings
[08:14] <flaccid> eagles051387: most likely because dhclient is still running
[08:14] <eagles051387> flaccid when i click on the device it has the ip and right subnet but when i look under advanced settings the gateway is not set and then under routes its set then when i set the dns it seems to unset everythign after i apply
[08:15] <flaccid> ^^
[08:15] <flaccid> ps aux | grep -i dhclient
[08:16] <eagles051387> i did that what do u want me to tell ya
[08:17] <flaccid> pastebin it if you don't understand it
[08:17] <eagles051387> flaccid since im not on the offending machine im on my other laptop
[08:18] <eagles051387> jonathan 9987 0.0   0.0   5164    860pts/0     R+    09:16    0:00 grep -i dhclient
[08:18] <flaccid> you ran it on the wrong computer?
[08:19] <eagles051387> no i didnt
[08:19] <eagles051387> im on my other machine since i have no network connectivity to get on irc on the linux machine
[08:19] <eagles051387> what is above is the exact output on the cli
[08:21] <flaccid> some people have reported problems with avahi-daemon, you could stop that then put the settings staticly in /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces and see if that persists. if it does don't use avahi on startup.
[08:27] <dcrdpxt> why does kubuntu hardy-32 bit need noapic with amd64 comp?
[08:28] <eagles051387> flaccid how do i disable avahi on startup
[08:29] <flaccid> eagles051387: goto services in system settings
[08:30] <eagles051387> flaccid ok
[08:31] <eagles051387> im in system settings now
[08:32] <eagles051387> flaccid its showing up that its supposed to start at boot but it isnt running right now the avahi daemon
[08:33] <flaccid> um did you do what i suggested above?
[08:35] <eagles051387> going to disable at start up and reboot
[08:38] <eagles051387> flaccid what does avahi do anyway
[08:39] <terror_> um... hi all. I have a ASUS mobo p5k/epu, and the audio does not seem to work. plz help da newbie
[08:40] <terror_> 8.04
[08:40] <flaccid_> service discovery
[08:40] <terror_> where?
[08:40] <eagles051387> flaccid still isnt working so basically now i put in my info and it should work
[08:40] <flaccid_> sorry you are too vague
[08:41] <terror_> are there any drivers for that mobo available?
[08:42] <flaccid_> [Fri Jun 13 2008] [17:21:56] <flaccid> some people have reported problems with avahi-daemon, you could stop that then put the settings staticly in /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces and see if that persists. if it does don't use avahi on startup.
[08:42] <eagles051387> terror_cpp check the mobo website
[08:42] <terror_cpp> i have
[08:42]  * eagles051387 slaps self with big trout
[08:42] <terror_cpp> they are all for M$
[08:43] <eagles051387> flaccid do you mind copying ur /etc/network/interfaces for me plz cuz i feel like im missing something outa there
[08:44] <flaccid_> eagles051387: no. i only have localhost in there. i am also dynamic, you said you were static. so i have no idea how thats going to help
[08:44] <terror_gpp> is there any kind of an utility that's like Device Manager?
[08:44] <Daisuke_Ido> eagles051387: what's the issue?  static ip and can't access the outside network?
[08:45] <flaccid_> terror_gpp: kinfocenter
[08:45] <terror_gpp> ok...
[08:45] <eagles051387> flaccid rnt the defaults the same except up at the top it says dhcp or static or what not
[08:46] <flaccid_> eagles051387: i don't understand you
[08:47] <flaccid_> eagles051387: see man interfaces
[08:47] <eagles051387> flaccid_ ok
[08:47] <flaccid_> there is also a few hundred thousand hits on google :)
[08:47] <Daisuke_Ido> so what's the actual issue?
[08:47] <flaccid_> so iface eth0 inet static and then define your properties below that
[08:48] <eagles051387> flaccid_ ok
[08:48] <flaccid_> he apparently loses his static settings
[08:48]  * flaccid_ pats google
[08:48] <eagles051387> Daisuke_Ido after going to a dynamic and going back to static its not keeping the settings even after a reboot
[08:48] <Daisuke_Ido> still get the static ip but can't access the outside
[08:48]  * eagles051387 ponders resetting my router
[08:48] <eagles051387> Daisuke_Ido yep
[08:48] <Daisuke_Ido> it isn't the router
[08:48] <eagles051387> Daisuke_Ido lol u read my mind
[08:48] <eagles051387> *you
[08:48] <flaccid_> eagles051387: don't see how that would help at all
[08:48] <eagles051387> goign to reset it now
[08:48] <Daisuke_Ido> DNS settings are effed up
[08:49] <flaccid_> if you follow my suggestion then it should be fine, but you are resisting doing that
[08:49] <flaccid_> part of my suggestion is making sure as i said that avahi-daemon and dhclient are not running
[08:49] <Daisuke_Ido> eagles051387: also, pop open network manager, go to the DNS tab, and stick your router's IP in there.
[08:50] <terror_gpp> flaccid_: tnx man, got it working
[08:50] <flaccid_> np
[08:50] <terror_gpp> see u later ppl
[08:52] <eagles051387> Daisuke_Ido whats the command to stop the dhclient process cuz i am in services and its not showing up in run level 2\
[08:53] <flaccid_> eagles051387: ps aux | grep dhclient to check sudo killall dhclient to kill
[08:56] <eagles051387> Daisuke_Ido do i then run the command to restart teh devices
[08:57] <Daisuke_Ido> eagles051387: i was just giving you the quick way to do it through networkmanager
[08:57] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm not sure what flaccid_
[08:58] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm not sure what flaccid_ has in mind
[08:58] <eagles051387> right now i ran /etc/init.d/networking restart
[08:58] <eagles051387> Daisuke_Ido normally i do it the way u said it but yesterday when at work i was having trouble getting it to go from static usage to dhcp usage
[08:59] <Daisuke_Ido> ah...
[08:59] <eagles051387> so i edited /etc/network/interfaces file to dhcp and now since doing that i cannot get it back to static
[08:59] <Daisuke_Ido> no idea then, flaccid_ knows more about it than me
[08:59] <flaccid_> Daisuke_Ido: i already gave that method first too :)
[08:59] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[08:59] <Daisuke_Ido> i should pay attention then!
[09:00] <flaccid_> 'can't get it back'
[09:00] <flaccid_> means what exactly
[09:00] <Daisuke_Ido> anywho, it's late, and i'm advocating time travel for painless upgrades over in #ubuntu
[09:00] <eagles051387> flaccid_ get it back to using static again
[09:00] <Daisuke_Ido> so i should really get some sleep
[09:00] <flaccid_> eagles051387: why why why?
[09:00] <eagles051387> later Daisuke_Ido
[09:00] <eagles051387> flaccid_ why what
[09:00] <flaccid_> why can you not do it?
[09:01] <flaccid_> ie. !doesntwork
[09:01] <eagles051387> everything u and Daisuke_Ido have suggested seems to revert back to nothing
[09:02] <eagles051387> dns ip isnt stored neither under advanced settings for the device under manual the gateway ip doesnt stay
[09:02] <flaccid_> eagles051387: and did you ensure both dhclient and avahi-daemon were not running?
[09:02] <eagles051387> i think its time for a reinstall cuz i have junk on here and almost a full hdd
[09:02] <eagles051387> flaccid_ yep
[09:02] <flaccid_> im sure its either 1. user problem 2. a bug
[09:03] <flaccid_> either way reinstall may not help and is drastic
[09:03] <flaccid_> why don't you pastebin /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces and then i'll show you what they should be then you can check them frequently and check logs if the system resets them again?
[09:05] <eagles051387> flaccid_ im goign to do a reinstall cuz i have tons of junk i need to get rid of
[09:05] <eagles051387> i cannot uninstall a game that i have using wine and a bunch of other crud
[09:05] <flaccid_> ok, then shouldn't of wasted time then but fair enough
[09:06] <eagles051387> flaccid_ it wasnt a waste of time
[09:06] <eagles051387> we tried it doesnt seem to be working
[09:09] <flaccid_> yeah but i don't see a problem yet...
[09:10] <flaccid_> checking logs and dmesg would of been a good idea too
[09:10] <eagles051387> ill do it now actually
[09:10] <tekgeeklt> if one wants to just install firefox .. you only need the firefox 3.0 install right .. you don't need to install anything else?
[09:11] <flaccid_> tekgeeklt: yeah but there is deps
[09:11] <tekgeeklt> well it should add the dependancies right?
[09:11] <eagles051387> flaccid_ i did dmesg | grep eth0 and it says the link is up 100mpbs full duplex
[09:11] <tekgeeklt> I don't think I need any of the dev's
[09:12] <flaccid_> eagles051387: meh thats not what you do. do'nt know just do whatever you want...
[09:12] <flaccid_> its a bit tyring trying to help
[09:12] <flaccid_> when you don't do the suggestions
[09:12] <eagles051387> i have
[09:13] <flaccid_> [18:03] <flaccid_> why don't you pastebin /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces and then i'll show you what they should be then you can check them frequently and check logs if the system resets them again?
[09:13] <flaccid_> not really. each one of them you either didn't do or you did it differently
[09:15] <tekgeeklt> yea I guess that was all .. its working
[09:16] <flaccid_> yeah sorry tekgeeklt, adds deps always
[09:16] <tekgeeklt> I just saw a ton of stuff for firefox and wasn't sure if I needed anything else
[09:17] <flaccid_> ah fair enough, its dep tree is not as nice as something like opera
[09:18] <tekgeeklt> I just am used to using firefox and konquerer was the only thing installed
[09:18] <tekgeeklt> I just got this install in two nights ago and I am getting everything to where I like it
[09:18] <flaccid_> coolio
[09:19] <matt_> I am new to konversation and I wanted to see if I could get help removing kde4. How can I go about this...?
[09:19] <tekgeeklt> I was running pclinuxos on my laptop but it is in need of a new version
[09:20] <tekgeeklt> what do you want instead of kde4??
[09:20] <tekgeeklt> gnome or kde3 the older style?
[09:20] <matt_> to go back to kde3. I didn't like the new kde4
[09:20] <flaccid_> matt_: remove the -kde4 packages basically
[09:20] <matt_> yeah I removed it but I still have some kde4 apps hanging around
[09:20] <tekgeeklt> well there is two versions of kubuntu you can get it with kde3 or kde4
[09:20] <flaccid_> matt_: remove them
[09:21] <matt_> is there any easy way to remove all of them using apt-get
[09:21] <flaccid_> tekgeeklt: they use the same repos/system
[09:21] <tekgeeklt> okay
[09:21] <flaccid_> matt_: not that i know of
[09:21] <tekgeeklt> I don't like kde4 either ...
[09:21] <matt_> yea I thought it was lame. It has potential but I don't think it is ready yet
[09:22] <tekgeeklt> I downloaded every version and checked them all out via live cd before I installed
[09:22] <matt_> yeah I upgraded and didn't like it so I removed it but I still have like the kde4 version of kate and a bunch of others
[09:22] <tekgeeklt> I actually have like 20 different live cd's and tried all of them
[09:22] <matt_> in addition to the kde3 version. just a little annoying
[09:24] <alex__> помогите настроить выход в интернет Kopette выходит, броузер не хочет выдает ошибку
[09:24] <tekgeeklt> heh
[09:24] <flaccid_> !ru | alex__
[09:24] <tekgeeklt> I am not sure if anyone here speaks russian
[09:24] <alex__> спасибо
[09:24] <tekgeeklt> thats nice
[09:24] <tekgeeklt> the !ru
[09:40] <sancho21> To remove kde4, I think, you'd better remove the most basic package for kde4 only. Remove it by doing sudo apt-get purge the-base-package
[09:40] <sancho21> And later autoremove unused packages by doing. sudo apt-get autoremove --purge
[09:41] <sancho21> Oh, I've just submitted a Kubuntu 8.04 bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/239682
[09:43] <flaccid_> autoremove won't do it all
[09:55] <matt_> thanks sancho. I unfortunately already removed kde4 basic packages so would I have to reinstall them to purge them?
[09:56] <sancho21> mmm...
[09:56] <sancho21> I don't know...
[09:56] <flaccid_> matt_: nah you can use sudo dpkg --purge pkgname
[09:57] <sancho21> Oh, thank you matt_
[09:57] <eagles051387> has anyone had the issue after a clean install and first log in the loading of kde takes some tiem like something is bogging down the hdd
[09:57] <matt_> I can use this even if the package is no longer installed? I uninstalled kde4 but a lot of its smaller packages are still here
[09:59] <flaccid_> matt_: correct
[09:59] <flaccid_> eagles051387: could be regular disk check
[10:00] <matt_> okay I will try
[10:00] <matt_> sudo dpkg --purge kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[10:00] <matt_> dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove kubuntu-kde4-desktop which isn't installed.
[10:00] <eagles051387> flaccid_ after logging in to kde
[10:01] <flaccid_> matt_: you will get that. its the rcs that it removes after that...
[10:01] <flaccid_> eagles051387: probably the session restoring, is normal
[10:01] <flaccid_> eagles051387: check top i guess
[10:01] <matt_> um I am not sure what you mean. sorry I am a newb
[10:01] <eagles051387> flaccid_ i restarted x and it seems to have corrected itself
[10:03] <matt_> flaccid_ what do you mean the rcs that it removes after that? do I have to do another command?
[10:04] <flaccid_> eagles051387: a lot of what you describe is normal behaviour...
[10:04] <flaccid_> matt_: no thats it
[10:04] <sancho21> X problem. I have an X problem. Why does KUbuntu Live CD can use the same xorg.conf without problem meanwhile installed KUbuntu can not?
[10:04] <eagles051387> flaccid_ my machine lags like no other on first boot
[10:05] <matt_> flaccid: so did it remove anything then?
[10:05] <flaccid_> eagles051387: disable usplash and see what its doing
[10:05] <flaccid_> matt_: check
[10:05] <sancho21> I mean both live and installed one use the same xorg.conf
[10:05] <flaccid_> sancho21: different system. you would have to check the xorg log to see why
[10:06] <sancho21> No, its the same computer
[10:06] <matt_> flaccid: I just checked and the packages are still there
[10:06] <FoxII> matt_, use the autoclean function.
[10:06] <flaccid_> sancho21: different system as in different software
[10:07] <matt_> flaccid: they aren't really dependencies but just bonus packages that were install like kate version kde4
[10:07] <flaccid_> matt_: if you dpkg --purge they should remove unless you get an error
[10:07] <sancho21> flacid: I don't get what you meant.
[10:07] <flaccid_> sancho21: you are comparing an apple to a bannana
[10:08] <matt_> flaccid: I see what you are saying but I don't want to do that for each package. I want to remove every package on my computer that has "kde4" in its name
[10:08] <FoxII> sancho21, The Livecd for Kubuntu has a different setup to what is installed. What problems are you having?
[10:08] <sancho21> flaccid: so you what you mean is Kubuntu live cd is different from the installed one?
[10:08] <FoxII> Would sudo apt-get remove *kde4* work?
[10:09] <flaccid_> matt_: then you do it in the wone command sudo dpkg --purge pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 etc....
[10:09] <sancho21> I'm using via card on board. But, I can not enter kdm (but in live cd I can)
[10:09] <flaccid_> sancho21: correct
[10:09] <matt_> no it is not allowing wildcards unfortunately sancho
[10:10] <flaccid_> you can use wildcards if you want sudo dpkg --purge *-kde4
[10:10] <FoxII> ah, I did think two wildcards wouldn't work :#
[10:11] <sancho21> At the time the kdm is flickering just for a moment (3 times)
[10:11] <sancho21> But finally failed to open kdm but showed black screen
[10:11] <FoxII> sancho21, You will need to boot to the command prompt and have a look through your boot up files to see what is happening.
[10:11] <matt_> flaccid: I get this message:
[10:11] <matt_> sudo dpkg --purge *-kde4
[10:11] <matt_> dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove *-kde4 which isn't installed.
[10:11] <flaccid_> sancho21: if you used kdm-kde4 you need to reconfigure kdm
[10:12] <flaccid_> matt_: might have to do it one by one then
[10:12] <sancho21> I use kde 3
[10:12] <flaccid_> check /var/log/Xorg.0.log from a tty after restarting kdm
[10:13] <matt_> flaccid: thanks for the help. I am sure there's a better way somewhere out there.
[10:13] <FoxII> sancho21, It sounds like a problem with the xserver. You could try typing: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg from the command line.
[10:13] <flaccid_> matt_: there is, you write a shell script
[10:14] <matt_> flaccid: what would you put in the shell script then? does it allow wild cards?
[10:15] <noaXess> !mp3
[10:16]  * flaccid_ finds it funny how people are sure about something they don't know about
[10:17] <flaccid_> matt_: you could learn how to script, im not going to feed it here...
[10:17] <sancho21> I have done "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" but the file remain unchanged. When I remove the file, kdm can start. But the xvinfo video option is failed (in Live cd xvinfo is okay)
[10:21] <flaccid_> sancho21: remove what file?
[10:22] <sancho21> flaccid: xorg.conf
[10:22] <flaccid_> sancho21: so you run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg then when it fails from sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart you goto a tty and check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:24] <llutz> matt_: have you tried: sudo dpkg --purge \*-kde4
[10:26] <matt_> llutz that didn't work either but I installed synaptic and did a search in that then sorted by intalled. I highlighted all installed and said remove and it did. DONE!!!
[10:27] <flaccid_> what did the log say, sancho21
[10:27] <llutz> aptitude purge '~n-kde4'   would have also worked
[10:28] <matt_> thanks llutz. haha where were you an hour agao :)
[10:28] <llutz> houseworking :(
[10:29] <flaccid_> can you purge packages in adept manager, people seem to not be able to?
[10:30] <Jucato> flaccid_: yes you can purge
[10:30] <Jucato> right-click request purge
[10:30] <sancho21> EE No device detected
[10:30] <FoxII> apt-get -purge
[10:30] <flaccid_> rightio
[10:31] <flaccid_> its a desktop OS, so might as well use the GUI...
[10:31] <flaccid_> Jucato: do they have to remove first?
[10:31] <Jucato> flaccid_: nope
[10:32] <Jucato> purge implies removal, so you don't need to request removal first
[10:33] <llutz> flaccid_: cli isn't just for servers :)
[10:34] <flaccid_> llutz: no shit sherlock
[10:34] <jussi01> !ohmy | flaccid_
[10:34] <flaccid_> sorry that ones in the dictionary
[10:35] <flaccid_> and my family uses it all the time :)
[10:35] <ct529> what on earth is a Locking assertion failure.?
[10:35] <jussi01> flaccid_: but mine doesnt
[10:35] <flaccid_> jussi01: i didn't know your family was in the rules :)
[10:36] <stdin> flaccid_: don't argue
[10:36] <flaccid_> huh? in the rules it says no arguing?
[10:36]  * flaccid_ goes to check
[10:36] <jussi01> ct529: bug 185311 may be of some help?
[10:38] <flaccid_> nope not in there
[10:38] <stdin> flaccid_: they do say not to be annoying however ;)
[10:38] <martinus> Hi, I was wondering if anyone here could help out with some text mode install of kde from cd
[10:38] <jussi01> flaccid_: It certainly is ;) - if you want to discuss the rule further please join #ubuntu-ops
[10:39] <flaccid_> well everything we have talked about is subjectd stdin
[10:39] <flaccid_> i don't want to discuss it. i mean its not in there so nothing to discuss is there
[10:39] <flaccid_> i'd rather help people than cop flak
[10:41] <ct529> jussi01: thanks, did not solve it thought .... :)
[10:41] <jussi01> ct529: no - but at least you know you arent alone:)
[10:47] <ct529> jussi01: I removed the virtual line from my xorg.conf, and openoffice starts, but crashes on exit
[11:01] <sami> hi
[11:03] <martinus> hi
[12:11] <zk> kxo
[12:11] <zk> euskaldunenbar?
[12:14] <engineer> !es | zk
[12:15] <frybye> re all...
[12:19] <Nyad> Hi, how do I query the size of an installed package?
[12:22] <stdin> Nyad: apt-cache show <package>|grep Size
[12:24] <Nyad> stdin: It's an app that I downloaded the source for and make installed
[12:24] <Nyad> well it had a setup.py script so not quite that
[12:25] <stdin> Nyad: then it isn't a package, you'll have to see where it installed to and run "du /path/" on it
[12:27] <Nyad> ok, thanks
[12:32] <BlackDragonBE> Not much being said here?
[12:33] <BlackDragonBE> guess not
[12:33] <sharpe_uk> its the Kubuntu support channel, Kubuntu is so good it requires little support, if you want a busy channel try #Vista ;)
[12:33] <sonoftheclayr> OMG there is a vista channel on freenode?
[12:33] <BlackDragonBE> lol good remark :)
[12:34] <sharpe_uk> >sonoftheclayr, not really it just redirects to #bitbucket
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> 90% of the questions asked in here can be answered by a bot. :)
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> 90% of the WQuestions in #vista are answered with 'reformat and install xp' :)
[12:36] <BlackDragonBE> haha
[12:36] <sharpe_uk> re-installing XP doesnt answer any questions, it just raises new ones that people know the answers to ;)
[12:39] <BlackDragonBE> Does anyone here use Opera?
[12:39] <BlackDragonBE> Just a quick question
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> BlackDragonBE,  i have befor..
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:40] <BlackDragonBE> Okay, well I find it annoying when I middle-click a tab so it closes, a new tab opens because it's still registering the middle click
[12:41] <BlackDragonBE> How can I disable the new tab opening by middle clicking the tab bar?
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> No idea on that. Ive never noticed it even has that feature.
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> I would say check the settings and disable the new tab on middle feature.
[12:42] <BlackDragonBE> Yeah, I've been searching for that option, but can't find it
[12:44] <Elijah> Good day gentlemen
[12:45] <Elijah> How do I install pptp-config under Kubuntu? With no intenrnet connection there
[12:46] <BlackDragonBE> If you have no internet, how do you connect to this channel?
[12:46] <Elijah> Windows
[12:46] <BlackDragonBE> Oh I see
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> 'no internet'is rather vague also. :)
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> can you ping your router/gateway/dns server? or are you just trying to get a wireless card working?
[12:47]  * Dr_Willis rereads.. and goes DOh
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:47] <BlackDragonBE> Well, if you can download the source from the site with your Windows, put it on some kind of storage device and then put it in your Linux box, can't you compile it?
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> calculator was covering part of the line. Heh heh.
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> !info pptp-config
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> !find pptp
[12:48] <Elijah> I think I can't handel compiling
[12:48] <Elijah> handle*
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> Theres 3 pptp packages in the repos.. but no idea on what dependencies they have.
[12:48] <sonoftheclayr> Anybody any good at figuring out why my internet works in every browser that I've tried except for the one browser I want to use (Opera)?
[12:49] <CrypTom> Hi all, is it possible to make the KDE tray clock to show seconds, too?
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> CrypTom,  right click on it and adjust the time/date format. I think it can. but im not on kde right now
[12:50] <sivaji> CrypTom yes
[12:50] <drurew> hey guys....if i "copied the contents of a running "live cd" to a hard drive.... and booted into an alternative system ....to edit the files....would the files actually be in the "real" order ...as in true to correct filesystem ?
[12:51] <CrypTom> Dr_Willis: time/date format is set to HH:MM:SS but the clock in the tray only displays HH:MM
[12:51] <jussi01> CrypTom: its in the right click configure clock - seconds check box
[12:51] <Elijah> Will try to configure pptp manually, see ya
[12:51] <BlackDragonBE> drurew, I don't get exactly what you mean
[12:52] <CrypTom> jussi01: thanks!
[12:52] <jussi01> CrypTom: :)
[12:52] <BlackDragonBE> You mean copy files that are on the CD?
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> CrypTom,  the time/date changes do not take effect untill you restart the cloick applet. (YES its DUMB!)  logout/back in
[12:52] <CrypTom> Dr_Willis: got it, thanks!
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> I always found that clock.. lacking in that little feature..
[12:58] <nyuu> hi
[12:59] <nyuu> I have newly installed kde on my ubuntu
[12:59] <nyuu> and I want to remove gnome
[12:59] <nyuu> how can I do it?
[13:01] <engineer> sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[13:03] <Faust-C> morning
[13:03] <Faust-C> i need a lil help w/ a OOo plugin, on kubuntu
[13:04] <engineer> !help
[13:04] <Faust-C> engineer: that wont help i assure
[13:04] <engineer> i didn't say it was for you
[13:04] <Faust-C> oic srry
[13:05] <Faust-C> heh
[13:05] <engineer> just explain what the problem is
[13:06] <Faust-C> im trying to get the mediawiki extension to install but says jre not found
[13:06] <Faust-C> but it is
[13:06] <Faust-C> googled but nothing has worked
[13:07] <profoX`> Is Qt4 in Kubuntu Hardy compiled with GLib Event Loop integration?
[13:07] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[13:16] <eagles0513875> is there a command that will rebuild the deb pkg database besides sudo apt-get update
[13:16] <eagles0513875> wait let me rephrase
[13:16] <eagles0513875> i mean is there a command that i can query the database of pkgs installed on my local machine
[13:17] <engineer> apt-cache ?
[13:18] <Dragnslcr> apt-cache search
[13:18] <eagles0513875> engineer:  for an rpm to rebuild the database of the local pkgs installed on the machine u run rpm --rebuilddb
[13:18] <eagles0513875> that rebuilds the db of pkgs on the local machine
[13:18] <eagles0513875> is there a command similar to that on kubuntu
[13:21] <engineer> dpkg --set-selections
[13:22] <engineer> dselect && dist-upgrade
[13:22] <engineer> use man to find out more on taht
[13:23] <Rioting_pacifist> how do i find out what program is using a port?
[13:25] <engineer> netstat
[13:27] <Trevelyan`> If anyone is interested this explains what is wrong with ubuntu 8.04 initrd that causes persistent to fail: http://paste.debian.net/6374/. you may want to post it somewhere or file it against a bug
[13:29] <Rioting_pacifist> Dont think any devs hang out here, sticking it on launchpad is more likely to get the attention it needs
[13:29] <eagles0513875> Trevelyan`: u talking bout getting kubuntu on a usb pen drive
[13:30] <eagles0513875> Trevelyan`: why dont u just post it as a bug dude since u can probably confirm the bug
[13:30] <eagles0513875> !bug | Trevelyan`
[13:31] <Trevelyan`> i see lots of forums about persistence not working, one example would be pen drives.
[13:32] <Trevelyan`> i'm not really an *ubuntu user, i just created a pen for someone else, and i'm unlike to use a bugs account again. i figured someone here would have such an account
[13:33] <Trevelyan`> you can test it with a live cd. just create an empty ext2 partition labeled casper-rw
[13:33] <eagles0513875> Trevelyan`: can u confirm that the bug exists
[13:33] <eagles0513875> Trevelyan`: i tried it with the wiki thats up there and it didnt work
[13:33] <eagles0513875> !persistence
[13:33] <eagles0513875> that wiki is for edgy and dapper
[13:33] <eagles0513875> Trevelyan`: let me see if any bugs have been filed
[13:33] <Trevelyan`> you can look at the code, and see its clearly wrong
[13:34] <eagles0513875> Trevelyan`: i dont know any languages besides java right now working on c++
[13:34] <Trevelyan`> is calling mount -t ext2 with -o mode=755 which will fail
[13:34] <jussi01> Trevelyan`: Id say drop into #kubuntu-devel
[13:34] <eagles0513875> Trevelyan`: i agree with jussie
[13:34] <jussi01> eagles0513875: Please either Use tab or spell my name right!
[13:35] <eagles0513875> sry jussi01 some times my hands have a mind of their own
[13:35] <vlt> Hello. What do I need to make audio output from OpenOffice.org possible?
[13:42]  * eagles0513875 hi room
[13:45] <huie> Anyone know of a KDE Linux that can run in 100 Megs of RAM?
[13:46] <eagles0513875> !persistence
[13:46] <llutz> huie: it will swap all the time, no fun
[13:46] <huie> llutz: Linux?
[13:46] <Rioting_pacifist> i did it in 128 i think and it was actually ok, just dont do anything fancy
[13:47] <huie> Rioting_pacifist: using what?
[13:47] <llutz> huie: use what you want, but not KDE :)
[13:47] <Rioting_pacifist> programs tend to eat all the ram they can get, but if theres no ram to eat they should be fine
[13:48] <Rioting_pacifist> kubuntu ran fine in 128 (i think it was a while ago)
[13:48] <huie> Well it neeeds 256 to install now
[13:48] <sonoftheclayr> I've ran Kubuntu fine in 128
[13:48] <huie> should I run the last LTS?
[13:48] <sonoftheclayr> huie: You can always download the alternate install instead if you don't have enough RAM
[13:48] <huie> sonoftheclayr: It has the dubious honour of needing more RAM to install than it does to run
[13:49] <huie> sonoftheclayr: That needs more RAM than I have
[13:49] <huie> It freezes on the 4th screen
[13:49] <sonoftheclayr> huie: Yeah so get the alternate install CD. It's just the graphical installer that needs the ram
[13:49] <sonoftheclayr> The alternate install is just text only
[13:49] <huie> sonoftheclayr: I just said that it needs more RAM than I have
[13:50] <Rioting_pacifist> llutz: kde has about the same usage as all the other major enviroments (XFCE & gnome) and tbh once you start running programs kickers footprint is insignificant
[13:50] <sonoftheclayr> huie: The alternate install cd hangs on the fourth screen? The text-only install?
[13:50] <huie> Yes
[13:51] <sonoftheclayr> huie: That's odd. I've installed it on 128mb of ram using the alternate install, that was a couple of releases ago though
[13:51] <huie> I have less than 128
[13:51] <eagles0513875> sonoftheclayr: minimum for desktop functionality is 320
[13:51] <llutz> Rioting_pacifist: i wouldn't recommend any DE for use with 100MB RAM, maybe fluxbox or a small WM like that
[13:51] <huie> and the Hardy release notes say it uses 200 Megs of RAM
[13:51] <Rioting_pacifist> same, i had no problems on gutsy (128)
[13:51] <huie> Is there a fluxbox  CD ? :)
[13:52] <jussi01> yes
[13:52] <sonoftheclayr> huie: Maybe if you try one of the 'lighter' KDE distros out ther
[13:52] <llutz> in fact i wouldn't use X at all on such a box
[13:52] <jussi01> !fluxbuntu
[13:52] <Rioting_pacifist> eagles0513875: thats simply not true ive used 128 for months on kde, i just couldnt run compiz AND firefox at the same time
[13:52] <huie> sonoftheclayr: That's What I asked if anyone knew of a light KDE linux
[13:52] <vishnu> what is the diferance between ubuntu and Kubuntu
[13:52] <sonoftheclayr> eagles0513875: I agree with Rioting_pacifist, I'm running it fine on 256 now
[13:52] <Pennycook> vishnu: Ubuntu uses Gnome by default, Kubuntu uses KDE
[13:52] <huie> !kubuntu
[13:53] <Rioting_pacifist> vishnu:  default install has kde
[13:53] <sonoftheclayr> vishnu: Kubuntu is better :)
[13:53] <vishnu> what is gnome and kde ?
[13:53] <huie> sonoftheclayr: Shhh Don't let everyone know
[13:53] <huie> !kde
[13:53] <huie> vishnu: the graphical interface to the computer
[13:54] <huie> vishnu: They look and feel somewhat different but allow you to do the same things
[13:54] <sonoftheclayr> huie: I think I found Pardus to be quite fast, I just can't remember. It was a while ago
[13:54] <vishnu> which is better
[13:54] <sonoftheclayr> vishnu: Depends on what you want. Personally I say KDE along with almost everybody here
[13:54] <Rioting_pacifist> vishnu: its the interface that programs use, they can be mixed tho. if you like choice youll probably like kde more, if you like being told what options you need youll prefer GNOME
[13:55] <huie> vishnu: Wrong place to ask :)
[13:55] <Rioting_pacifist> shh huie this is the perfect place to ask to get an unbiased view of the situation :P
[13:55] <sharpe_uk> >vishnu, better implies an absolute where none exists (though of course KDE is better)
[13:56] <Pennycook> vishnu: KDE is definitely easier if you're moving to Linux from Windows, but Gnome probably has more in common with a Mac interface.
[13:56] <huie> vishnu: pretty much the one that works for you. If you don't like to play with anything on the computer then Probably Gnome. If you like things to bend to your will then probably KDE
[13:56] <sharpe_uk> >Penny, thats true, both make me want to puke
[13:56] <huie> There is that too
[13:56] <vishnu> when i try to play a divx file.i cannot play it.why ?
[13:57] <huie> Rioting_pacifist: #kde might be a place for more research :)
[13:57] <Pennycook> vishnu: You probably don't have the correct codecs installed.
[13:57] <huie> vishnu: in Kubuntu?
[13:57] <vishnu> codecs ?
[13:57] <eagles0513875> !codecs | vishnu
[13:58] <vishnu> is divx a free format
[13:58] <llutz> no
[13:58] <huie> vishnu: if you are in kubuntu you need to install libxine1-ffmpeg
[13:59] <vishnu> where can i get that
[13:59] <sharpe_uk> xvid is an open format
[13:59] <huie> vishnu: Are you in Kubuntu?
[13:59] <huie> I would guess so :)
[13:59] <vishnu> not now
[13:59] <eagles0513875> i would guess on the livecd
[14:00] <huie> vishnu: ok then open adept and search for libxine1-ffmpeg
[14:00] <huie> If you want to install Java abd other common problems then install kubutu-restricted-extras
[14:01] <Pennycook> I'd personally recommend against the restricted-extras package, because it installs OpenJDK (which doesn't work)
[14:01] <vishnu> i use a broadband connection which have to dial to connect
[14:01] <eagles0513875> vishnu: u mean adls
[14:01] <eagles0513875> *you mean adsl
[14:02] <vishnu> yes
[14:02] <eagles0513875> you connected through a router
[14:02] <vishnu> yes
[14:02] <huie> sonoftheclayr: Pardus. I assume you don't mean the game
[14:02] <eagles0513875> vishnu:  do you have it setup for a constantly on adsl connection to where u dont have to dial in
[14:03] <vishnu> i cannot understand
[14:03] <huie> vishnu: Do you have to dial to get on the internet?
[14:03] <vishnu> ya
[14:04] <eagles0513875> vishnu: on your router there is a way you set it up where u dont have to dial in the adsl connection is always on
[14:04] <huie> What kind of broadband connection ?
[14:04] <eagles0513875> huie: it would be adsl
[14:04] <eagles0513875> or isdn
[14:04] <huie> Isdn as well
[14:04] <vishnu> adsl
[14:04] <huie> okie :)
[14:06] <vishnu> i am running a small http server on my system. when i configured my modem as u said users cannot open my web page.
[14:07] <llutz> vishnu: you need to set up portforwarding in your router to access computers behind it from internet
[14:07] <eagles0513875> vishnu: probably the router firewall
[14:08] <huie> sonoftheclayr: there?
[14:08] <vishnu> it is the main problem. there is no portforwarding feature for my router. I am using Nokia Siemens SL2_141 Wireless modem
[14:08] <huie> >_<
[14:09] <ubuntu_> !seen toxic
[14:09] <huie> ubuntu_: Use seenserv
[14:09] <huie> ubuntu_: try /msg seenserv help
[14:10] <ubuntu_> thx
[14:10] <huie> Hi dad!!!
[14:10] <vishnu> what can i do now
[14:11] <engineer> bye a decent router next time
[14:11] <engineer> buy*
[14:11] <vishnu> ok ok
[14:11] <huie> Was probably the ISP choosing it
[14:11] <vishnu> ya u r right
[14:12] <engineer> wrt54gl is a cheap and good one
[14:12] <llutz> ^ better with tomato-firmware
[14:12] <vishnu> cost ?
[14:12] <engineer> dd-wrt firmware you mean
[14:12] <engineer> €60
[14:13] <llutz> no, i mean tomato ,http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato
[14:13] <Pici> !ot
[14:13] <engineer> dd-wrt is a lot better
[14:13] <llutz> engineer: not for me
[14:13] <engineer> does tomato suppport multi ssids ?
[14:13] <vishnu> yes
[14:14] <engineer> vpn and voip?
[14:14] <vishnu> yes
[14:14] <engineer> ok
[14:14] <vishnu> it is a good firmware
[14:14] <engineer> so is dd
[14:15] <vishnu> bye
[14:15] <huie> vishnu: See ya
[14:15] <vishnu> thaks for support
[14:19] <Nyad> is it just me or have the ubuntu repositories just died?
[14:23] <tdn> I have just bought a new monitor for my Thinkpad T61p laptop. How do I clone the screen to the new monitor, so that I can use dual screen? I have tried "xrandr --output LVDS --auto --output VGA --auto --same-as LVDS" but that did not work.
[14:24] <llutz> tdn: does xrandr report VGA as connected?
[14:26] <tdn> llutz, how do I check?
[14:26] <llutz> "xrandr"
[14:26] <tdn> llutz, http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1132.html output from xrandr
[14:27] <llutz> tdn: maybe this helps http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=679059
[14:28] <Nyad> is it just me or have the ubuntu repositories just died? I had 30 apps that needed updating and now nothing needs it anymore?
[14:28] <huie> Nyad: that's not an indication that the repos are dead
[14:29] <Nyad> did my apt die then or something?
[14:29] <huie> Nyad: Unattended install most likely
[14:29] <huie> if you have security updates they are silently installed
[14:30] <Nyad> it's not that, I clicked to view what needed downloading and then suddenly it said nothing needed downloading. there were 30 things, minimum. and I was watching
[14:32] <Nyad> huie: here's what apt says  http://nopaste.com/p/aCxSv2zu0
[14:33] <tdn> llutz, thanks, but I was hoping to be able to do it without editing xorg.conf.
[14:34] <huie> Nyad:
[14:34] <llutz> tdn the 61p has nvidia-graphics? maybe try nvidia-settings then
[14:34] <huie> I assume that apt-get update doesn't work ?
[14:35] <Nyad> that's the output, I'm not sure what it means though
[14:35] <nyuu> ow hi
[14:35] <nyuu> I have a problem
[14:35] <ken> hi
[14:35] <Nyad> nyuu: did you get that from elfen lied?
[14:35] <huie> Nyad: everytime?
[14:36] <nyuu> yea ^^
[14:36] <Nyad> yes, from today though
[14:36] <Nyad> nyuu-chan
[14:36] <nyuu> my problem is
[14:36] <nyuu> nearly all of my apps began to start slow after removing the ubuntu's gnome
[14:37] <nyuu> in my opinion my problem is about ...
[14:37] <nyuu> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=558731&highlight=gutsy+slow+kde
[14:37] <ken> nyuu:  u using kde now?
[14:37] <nyuu> yea
[14:37] <ken> geez
[14:37] <huie> \o/
[14:37] <ken> maybe u removed some gtk dependecies that were vital
[14:37] <ken> dependencies*
[14:37] <ken> ^_^
[14:37] <nyuu> yea I see :|
[14:38] <ken> try apt-get update?
[14:38] <ken> then apt-get upgrade?
[14:38] <nyuu> because I did it before
[14:38] <nyuu> yea
[14:38] <nyuu> but
[14:38] <huie> diist-upgrade
[14:38] <nyuu> it doesn't make a sloution
[14:38] <ken> lol
[14:38] <nyuu> I have  already have 8.10 ^^
[14:38] <ken> your dependencies are prolly screwed
[14:38] <ken> <_<
[14:38] <huie> Well if they start at all that's good
[14:39] <nyuu> psycats you know this is his solution to remove gnomee ^^
[14:39] <ken> do a fresh install of kubuntu lol
[14:39] <Nyad> huie: my apt has been doing that the whole of today, everytime I run that command
[14:39] <ougs> where is my addressbook located? i made a fresh install and need to copy my addressbook into kontact
[14:39] <nyuu> I have onther idea
[14:40] <nyuu> if I install some 'gnome reposities' it will turn back ^^
[14:40] <ken> -.-"
[14:40] <huie> Nyad: same one having a mismatch ?
[14:40] <nyuu> or maybe I can install kde-core-level
[14:40] <Nyad> huie:  yes
[14:40] <ken> anyone using superkaramba with kde 4? i cant seem to get my karamba widgets to run
[14:40] <huie> ougs: in ~/.kde/share/apps mostlikely
[14:40] <ken> they can be installed but they dont appear on my desktop
[14:41] <nyuu> maybe it has the 'necessity' repo
[14:41] <huie> Nyad: try removing that from the sources temporarily?
[14:41] <nyuu> hey don't you have another solution I dont want to say goodbye to everythin :)
[14:42] <ken> lol
[14:42] <Jucato> ken: I don't think support Superkararmba on Plasma is available in 4.0. although it seems to be possible in 4.1 (beta)
[14:42] <huie> nyuu: how slow?
[14:42] <ken> ok thanks
[14:42] <ken> lol
[14:42] <nyuu> it 's like
[14:42] <nyuu> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=558731&highlight=gutsy+slow+kde
[14:42] <nyuu> after removing gnome...
[14:42] <ken> Jucato: any idea why my comic strip widget doesnt display any comics?
[14:42] <Nyad> huie: it's not in sources.list
[14:43] <Jucato> ken: no idea. sorry
[14:43] <ken> i've googled to no avail lol
[14:43] <nyuu> kde turns into a granny :P
[14:43] <ken> :(
[14:43] <nyuu> the programs re working fast but they are starting slow
[14:43] <ken> thx anyway Jucato
[14:43] <nyuu> but there are some exceptions like firefox ^^
[14:43] <ken> ^^
[14:44] <huie> Nyad: O.o
[14:44] <Conundrum_> lol @ dad
[14:44] <huie> nyuu: is strigi running?
[14:45] <huie> I know Strigi used to go nuts on my computer
[14:45] <Conundrum_> what irc client are you guys using?
[14:46] <huie> irssi!! :)
[14:46] <huie> well Konvi right now
[14:46] <Conundrum_> lol
[14:46] <Conundrum_> im on konvo too
[14:46] <Conundrum_> bitchx is cool thou
[14:46] <Conundrum_> back in cli days
[14:46] <nyuu> huie: how could I know?
[14:47] <nyuu> I thinked it before and I used 'sudo killall strigi'
[14:47] <nyuu> but it couldn't find the strigi app
[14:48] <nyuu> how can I close it if it is open
[14:48] <Conundrum_> try ps -e
[14:48] <Conundrum_> ps -e | grep strigi
[14:49] <Conundrum_> iono if strigi has a daemon
[14:49] <huie> KOnversation is sweet
[14:49] <huie> Kan't think of anything for it to do on KDE4 though :-(
[14:49] <Conundrum_> lol
[14:49] <Conundrum_> yeap
[14:49] <jimmy51_> how do i allow myself to write to /mnt/test/testdir ?  i had to use sudo to create the ./testdir, and now i'd like to make it writeable by myself without sudo (from the command line...)
[14:49] <Conundrum_> huie:  are u using a laptop?
[14:50] <nyuu> Conundrum_: I have used it
[14:50] <Conundrum_> any problems with laptop brightness?
[14:50] <nyuu> Conundrum_: but changed nothing ... how can I use the iono stuff
[14:50] <Conundrum_> i had to manually input a line into the rc.local to tweak it up
[14:50] <Conundrum_> iono = i duno lol
[14:50] <nyuu> hehe ^^
[14:50] <Conundrum_> it's just to check if strigi is installed
[14:51] <Conundrum_> if it isnt
[14:51] <huie> Conundrum_: no
[14:51] <Conundrum_> u can eliminate the probability of strigi lagging up your kde
[14:51] <nyuu> sudo apt-get remove strigi?
[14:51] <rav> hello. I accidentally closed the battery monitor on the systray, and I can't find it on the KMenu. How can I turn it back on?
[14:51] <Conundrum_> kpowersave
[14:51] <Conundrum_> alrite geez
[14:52] <nyuu> Conundrum_:  I couldn't find the 'strigi' pacgace for installing or removing
[14:52] <Conundrum_> rav: use kpowersave
[14:52] <Conundrum_> alrite then i suppose u're safe =/
[14:52] <rav> Conundrum: it wasn't kpowersave, it was another battery monitor. kpowersave gives me bogus estimations of remaining battery, that's why i want to use the one that other one
[14:52] <Conundrum_> hmm
[14:52] <Nyad> nyuu: you make your gran work?
[14:53] <Conundrum_> rav: does it startup with kde?
[14:53] <nyuu> Nyad: no :(
[14:53] <Conundrum_> u could just restart :p
[14:53] <nyuu> Nyad: it is working but so slow
[14:53] <nyuu> Nyad: in my opinion, I have deleted a pacgace while I was removing the gnome
[14:54] <Nyad> I had issues where any sort of copying would completely slow the entire system down, the moment I installed nvidia drivers everything ran fine
[14:54] <rav> Conundrum: It did, until I turned it off when I installed kpowersave. I had both on the systray and I turned that one off to use kpowersave before I realized it wasn't reading the battery right
[14:54] <nyuu> Nyad: but which one is...?
[14:54] <Nyad> nyuu: proprietary ones
[14:54] <pteague_work> can i use the calendar to set up an alarm or is that only in gnome?
[14:54] <nyuu> Nyad:  do you know a way to turn them back ^^
[14:55] <nyuu> Nyad: don't say 'sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop' :)
[14:55] <Nyad> I did
[14:55] <nyuu> hmm maybe I don't have a chance
[14:56] <__ambi__> hello, just wanted to drop i to tell that kubuntu rocks. using x86_64, it's fast and has huge repos, great documentations and a huge community. only thing I really miss is the kewlness of kdemod in arch linux but can't have it all :P
[14:56] <Conundrum_> lol
[14:56] <Conundrum_> whats so cool about arch?
[14:56] <coreymon77> mornin everyone
[14:56] <Conundrum_> tried it before was really stale =/
[14:56] <Nyad> nyuu:  but I regret it because ubuntu starts to dominate my pc. instead of beautiful kubunu openfile dialogs I now get silly gnome ones :(
[14:56] <__ambi__> kdemod is nice
[14:56] <Conundrum_> sorry rav im equally lost on your issue
[14:56] <__ambi__> and the easy management of pure source packages
[14:56] <Nyad> Conundrum_: arch linux?
[14:57] <Conundrum_> yeap
[14:57] <nyuu> Nyad:  hehe ubuntu has a 'clear looks' philosopy unlike kde ^^
[14:57] <huie> Nyad: you could just use Kubuntu
[14:57] <Conundrum_> pacman drives me nuts
[14:57] <Conundrum_> lol
[14:57] <rav> Conundrum: the icon was a green battery with a lightning across it
[14:57] <Nyad> huie: I do, I said it dominates my pc because in kubuntu it's using gnome openfile dialog
[14:57] <nyuu> Nyad: ok I am turning back to gnome :P
[14:57] <Nyad> Conundrum_: try crux
[14:58] <Conundrum_> lol
[14:58] <Conundrum_> sick of all the manual config
[14:58] <Conundrum_> imma slob
[14:58] <Conundrum_> rav: are you talkign about kde-guidance?
[14:58] <huie> nyuu: ps aux | grep strig
[14:58] <Nyad> I compiled my kernel a minimum of 40 times before I finally got it working :P
[14:58] <Conundrum_> lol
[14:59] <__ambi__> well you get better with experience
[14:59] <Conundrum_> gentoo is a killer too :p
[14:59] <__ambi__> I do it nowdays in few minutes.. /flex
[14:59] <nyuu> huie: it gives me some details
[14:59] <Nyad> but I was trying to boot off a USB hd and it was because of one option was not enabled :(
[14:59] <huie> nyuu: pastebin
[14:59] <Conundrum_> ;p;
[15:00] <Conundrum_> lol
[15:00] <Nyad> __ambi__: a few minutes? you got a super computer ^^
[15:00] <Conundrum_> anyone tried installing linux on a thumb drive before?
[15:00] <Conundrum_> ;]
[15:00] <Conundrum_> the speed "owns"
[15:00] <__ambi__> Nyad: I mean make menuconfig.. I do that in a few minutes ;)
[15:01]  * Nyad loves make menuconfig
[15:02] <__ambi__> what it boiled down to that I chose ubuntu-base instead of arch: I couldn't easily install Psyco for Python. that's just something that can't be forgiven. It's so basic development tool that it should obviously be in repo, even the AUR version was over a year old
[15:02] <Conundrum_> ubuntu base doesnt even have gcc c++/c
[15:02] <__ambi__> well it does if you include all repos
[15:03] <Conundrum_> u have ot install build-essential yourself
[15:03] <Conundrum_> =/
[15:03] <Conundrum_> anyone tried osx86?
[15:03] <nyuu> nyuu      7900  0.0  0.0   2888   772 pts/0    S+   17:02   0:00 grep strig
[15:03] <nyuu> this is the print of ps aux ... stuff
[15:03] <huie> nyuu: that's it?
[15:03] <nyuu> yea
[15:03] <huie> no strigi running then
[15:04] <huie> how about top
[15:04] <nyuu> ok I will try it
[15:04] <huie> can you look at the top of the screen of top and tell me whaat the number beside load is
[15:05] <nyuu> they are changing but
[15:05] <nyuu> mostly init and Xorg
[15:05] <Conundrum_> anyone knows of any repos that have packages of security tools?
[15:05] <huie> about how much CPU?
[15:06] <__ambi__> is Strigi any good as a desktop search tool?
[15:06] <__ambi__> should I use it?
[15:06]  * huie keeps quiet
[15:06] <nyuu> Xorg is canging so fast I can't catch the value but it changes about %25 to %1
[15:06] <llutz> Conundrum_: what tools are you looking for? 1st step http://www.nessus.org/download/
[15:06] <huie> nyuu: How much % of Memory is it using?
[15:06] <Conundrum_> preferably the whole bunch of tools used in backtrack
[15:07] <Conundrum_> if there is a magic package which i can apt-get
[15:07] <Conundrum_> ^_^
[15:07] <llutz> i doubt there is
[15:07] <Conundrum_> yea
[15:07] <Conundrum_> wonder if kubuntu can use nubuntu repos
[15:07] <nyuu> virt 340 mb
[15:07] <Conundrum_> that would make my life easier
[15:08] <llutz> just use backtrack
[15:08] <huie> nyuu: out of?
[15:08] <nyuu> I don't know :S
[15:08] <sharpe_uk> it makes sense for ubuntu-base to not include build tools, Ubuntu is configured to be used in lots of different environments including corporate desktop's
[15:08] <FoxIII> nubuntu?
[15:08] <sharpe_uk> having developer tools on corporate desktops is both a waste of space and a security risk...
[15:08] <huie> !nubuntu
[15:08] <Conundrum_> nubuntu is the security oriented version of ubuntu
[15:08] <llutz> http://www.nubuntu.org/
[15:08] <Sadr> oy, does Wine run on Kubuntu?
[15:08] <Conundrum_> sharpe_uk: sounds logical :p
[15:09] <huie> nyuu: wanna guess ?
[15:09] <FoxIII> oh the irony. Thanks guys
[15:09] <huie> Sadr: yes
[15:09] <Conundrum_> yeap Sadr
[15:09] <Sadr> :)
[15:09] <nyuu> my ram is 1024
[15:09] <Sadr> doesn't support Age of Conan yet though :P
[15:09] <Conundrum_> lol
[15:09] <nyuu> but if u are asking the swap file
[15:09] <nyuu> it is about 2048
[15:09] <huie> Doesn't sound too ornerous
[15:09] <Conundrum_> 1gb of ram is more than enough i guess
[15:10] <Conundrum_> vista gobbles up ram like hotcakes thou
[15:10] <sharpe_uk> >Conundrum, it is logical, not sure why you needed the :p on the end though :p
[15:10] <nyuu> I like Vista too hehe ^^
[15:10] <Conundrum_> heh
[15:11] <nyuu> not too much
[15:11] <Conundrum_> sharpe_uk: im sure corporations wouldn't wanna use openoffice <_<
[15:11] <Conundrum_> it kills your brain cells
[15:11] <nyuu> xp is still better ^^
[15:11] <sharpe_uk> Conundrum, apples and oranges, an office suite isnt a development tool (MS VBA aside)
[15:11] <Conundrum_> alrite
[15:12] <Conundrum_> fair argument
[15:12] <Conundrum_> if half of microsloth users knew where to find 0day apps
[15:12] <Conundrum_> gates wouldn't be so rich <_<
[15:12] <drurew> a little help settingup bind 9 please .....i ma following this wiki....i am "configuring bind 9" at /etc/bind/named.conf.local.....i need to know if i am supposed to past the stated text into that file ?
[15:13] <drurew> http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Host-Your-Own-Domain-With-Bind9-on-Ubuntu-49585.shtml
[15:13] <nyuu> I think I think the 'free' versions of linux has some bundle
[15:13] <nyuu> it will make a huge fortunate for developers ^^
[15:13] <Conundrum_> try a wamp sever config?
[15:13] <Conundrum_> server*
[15:13]  * huie naps
[15:14] <Conundrum_> anyway, where do you guys hail from?
[15:14] <drurew> excuse the stupid question ....:D i know there is no such thing as a stupid question ..only stupid people
[15:14] <nyuu> ok if there is no way out, I will turn back to glossy gnome ^^
[15:15] <Conundrum_> lol
[15:15] <huie> I can figure out why I have no sound
[15:15] <huie> later
[15:17] <sharpe_uk> is from England
[15:17] <drurew> huie: try your terminal :alsamixer
[15:17] <Conundrum_> mm nice
[15:17] <Conundrum_> im from singapore
[15:17] <huie> drurew: yeah
[15:18] <love^_^me> can any one help me how to make own server ? MIrc new server
[15:18] <love^_^me> can any one help me how to make own server ? MIrc new server
[15:18] <love^_^me> can any one help me how to make own server ? MIrc new server
[15:18] <love^_^me> love^_^me is using [IRCop ScripT ] by love^_^me
[15:18] <huie> !ops
[15:19] <drurew> ban love^_^me
[15:19] <drurew> thanks "t"
[15:19] <t> np
[15:19] <jpds> t: hi Tom
[15:20] <josa> what was that... a part message or what :o?
[15:21] <drurew> dusel dusel
[15:22]  * drurew speaks jibberish
[15:22] <Conundrum_> lol
[15:24] <drurew> so anyone got an answer ot my above question about bind9 ?
[15:25] <Conundrum_> err nope
[15:25] <Conundrum_> im clueless
[15:25] <drurew> good golly
[15:25] <drurew> k fine
[15:25] <drurew> ill deal withit
[15:25] <drurew> grrrrrrrrrrr
[15:29] <veyron> hello, is there a boot option for kubuntu live cd to disable dma mode?
[15:29] <llutz> dma=off
[15:30] <ougs> how do i set the video driver? system settings?
[15:31] <veyron> i tryed ide=nodma, hda=nodma and dma=off without any result, still getting errors while booting kubuntu 7.10
[15:31] <Conundrum_> go to hardware drivers manager if you own a ati/nvidia graphics card
[15:31] <Conundrum_> veyron : are you using the splash screen?
[15:31] <Conundrum_> try running in verbose mode and see where it hangs
[15:32] <ougs> and where do i find the hardware drivers manager?
[15:32] <Conundrum_> under applications --> system
[15:32] <veyron> it hangs while trying to mount root file system
[15:32] <Conundrum_> assumming u're on kde4
[15:32] <Conundrum_> how long did you wait?
[15:32] <ougs> found it. thanks
[15:33] <veyron> the system then disables the dma mode for hda but it wont mount the root file system and ends in busybox
[15:33] <Conundrum_> oh
[15:34] <Conundrum_> i had the exact same problem
[15:34] <Conundrum_> after i installed linux mint
[15:34] <Conundrum_> wait lemme get you the boot parameters
[15:34] <veyron> I am doing it with a ide-cf card adapter that doesn't support udma mode
[15:34] <Conundrum_> all_generic_ide floppy=off irqpol
[15:34] <Conundrum_> all_generic_ide floppy=off irqpoll
[15:34] <Conundrum_> try this lol
[15:36] <stefanos_> hi
[15:36] <stefanos_> where has the "users and groups" gone in kubuntu 8.04/KDE4?
[15:36] <veyron> ok, thx. will try it! Where can I find infos about that? Did a very long research befor asking you.
[15:37] <Conundrum_> stefanos_: they haven't really got the control center done up yet , tough luck
[15:37] <josa> i had similar problem... "all_generic_ide" was my cure
[15:37] <stefanos_> Conundrum: i want to add myself to a group. is there any way to do this from terminal?
[15:38] <veyron> sry all_generic_ide seams to enable a vitual ata device...
[15:38] <Conundrum_> yes
[15:38] <llutz> stefanos_: sudo adduser user group
[15:38] <stefanos_> wow that's easy
[15:38] <Conundrum_> no
[15:38] <stefanos_> thanks a lot
[15:38] <Conundrum_> gpasswd
[15:38] <stefanos_> will try
[15:38] <Conundrum_> lol
[15:38] <sharpe_uk> useradd -G <group> <user>
[15:39] <Conundrum_> useradd is only for new accounts :p
[15:39] <llutz> hundred ways to do one thing
[15:39] <Conundrum_> yeai  suppose
[15:39] <Conundrum_> linux has its quirks
[15:40] <stefanos_> ok i did it
[15:40] <LetsGo67> How do I open Phobos links in Ubuntu?
[15:40] <stefanos_> going to restart
[15:40] <stefanos_> thanks guys
[15:40] <Conundrum_> gl
[15:40] <llutz> stefanos_: just relogin
[15:40] <datacrusher> hi there!
[15:40] <datacrusher> i just installed a virtual machine
[15:40] <datacrusher> so i can test the kubuntu to make a kiosk
[15:40] <Conundrum_> hello there
[15:40] <stefanos_> llutz: i want to restart to test my some fstab changes I did some time ago ;)
[15:40] <datacrusher> iv intalled the kiosq feature, but i got some issues
[15:41] <datacrusher> i need a service of screensaver, that can open pictures
[15:41] <datacrusher> just like the vista photo screensaver
[15:41] <datacrusher> and the pictures are on a remote pc
[15:41] <LetsGo67> Phobos links are the iTunes links.
[15:41] <datacrusher> wich gots windows vista, and a shared folder
[15:41] <datacrusher> any clues?
[15:42] <datacrusher> does kubuntu can access easily a shared folder on vista?
[15:42] <drurew> datacrusher: totaly dude
[15:42] <Conundrum_> can you ping your windows box from kubuntu?
[15:42] <veyron> datacrusher: via smb?!?
[15:42] <datacrusher> hm..
[15:42] <datacrusher> i cant install much things on vista, but if i need sort of a client
[15:42] <datacrusher> let me tell the picture
[15:43] <datacrusher> im on the library of an university
[15:43] <drurew> you probly already have a pcanywhere port open on it ...no ???
[15:43] <datacrusher> i got 8 pcs on the hall that students can acces the website of the consults
[15:43] <LetsGo67> How do you open iTunes links in Linux?
[15:43] <datacrusher> but they are all new (fast cpters) wich came with the crappy windows vista
[15:44] <datacrusher> i wanna replace them for a linux, that i can manage to block more stuff
[15:44] <datacrusher> and the students wont be able to get arround the block issues and open only the website i wont
[15:44] <datacrusher> BUT
[15:45] <datacrusher> im stucked on this screensaver problem, and the replication.. i dont wanna install 8 times and configure all again
[15:45] <drurew> datacrusher: is there a back up ?
[15:45] <datacrusher> what do u mean by backup?
[15:45] <ibo> hi
[15:46] <datacrusher> thres nothing to save on the stations
[15:46] <veyron> LetsGo67: try amarok
[15:46] <datacrusher> they only open the website
[15:46] <ibo> sind hier vlt welche die deutsch sprechen
[15:46] <datacrusher> lib2.biblioteca.unesp.br/F
[15:46] <jussi01> !de | ibo
[15:46] <stefanos_> worked like a charm
[15:46] <ibo> jusi01
[15:46] <drurew>  !de
[15:46] <ibo> wie biitte
[15:46] <LetsGo67> Example: http://ax.phobos.apple.com.edgesuite.net/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/browserRedirect?url=itms%253A%252F%252Fphobos.apple.com%252FWebObjects%252FMZStore.woa%252Fwa%252FviewAlbum%253Fi%253D269730045%2526id%253D269730034%2526s%253D143441%2526partnerId%253D30%2526partnerId%253D30%2526siteID%253DAhNPkT3_JHE-iPevN4ZX3sMHpJX0QxW6ng.  And I don't want to install amarok if it doesn't support iTunes store.
[15:47] <Jucato> ...
[15:47] <drurew> !de
[15:47] <ibo> !de
[15:47] <Jucato> LetsGo67: you'll have to try with Wine
[15:47] <ibo> nein ich will nur fragen wie
[15:47] <stefanos_> I have another annoying thing i can't get fixed. i want read-write support for my ntfs drives. i'm using ntfs-3g but they're mountable only bu root
[15:47] <drurew> datacrusher: i personaly dont really understand what you are trying to do
[15:47] <Conundrum_> are you using a stock kde4?
[15:48] <stefanos_> i tried adding user to fstab but it says i have to rebuild ntfs-3g or something like that
[15:48] <ibo> ich java runtime installiere auf firefox 2.0 sind kann ich nicht chatten
[15:48] <datacrusher> drurew: ill start all over
[15:48] <drurew> thanks datacrusher
[15:48] <datacrusher> i work on a library, wich have 8 cpters on the hall, for students search for the books
[15:48] <ibo> wie installiere ich java für chat programme
[15:48] <Dflies> !fi
[15:48]  * drurew wonders who this dad guy is
[15:48] <datacrusher> the cpters are blocked (crappy block, gpedit on vista)
[15:49] <drurew> ibo: was muchest du machen
[15:49] <datacrusher> only open a website, whith our library database, and when they are unused, theres a screensaver on them
[15:49] <stefanos_> anyone?
[15:49] <Conundrum_> rebuild the mbr to include only kubuntu , then implement your solutions on kubuntu?
[15:49] <veyron> ibo: tippe: /j #kubuntu.de
[15:49] <ibo> java installieren auf kubuntu so as ich chatten kann
[15:50] <ibo> da kann ich ja nicht schreiben
[15:50] <datacrusher> that access a folder on one of the librarians pc, a folder that he make some advertisements
[15:50] <pim> !de
[15:50] <ibo> ich kann kein java chat machen
[15:50] <drurew> ibo: spec auf welche client ?
[15:50] <datacrusher> so, when he copy the "library offline" .jpg on this folder, all of the cpters will instantly on the next time he gets on the screen saver
[15:51] <datacrusher> theese 8 cpters are new, and i got about 30 old cpters just stoped
[15:51] <Dflies> nobody talks in #kubuntu-kde4 so... [14:48] <Dflies> Hi. I downloaded kubuntu 8.04 kde4 remix edition. Now when I'm installing it, the part where you set up the partitions doesn't work. I mean it doesn't show any partitions, so I can't install this. What do I do?
[15:51] <ibo> was
[15:51] <datacrusher> p3 500, p3 700
[15:51] <datacrusher> i wanna use a linux, that u think its more secure, and better for the old cpters
[15:51] <Conundrum_> Dflies: what type of hard disk are you using?
[15:51] <drurew> !java
[15:51] <Conundrum_> !flash
[15:52] <datacrusher> that can be locked as a kiosk, with this webpage
[15:52] <datacrusher> and that can still use the screensaver service, remotly from the vista librarian cpter
[15:52] <datacrusher> drurew: capitche?
[15:52] <drurew> ibo: es kunte hilfreicher sein wen sie mall in die richtigen chat room mall fragst
[15:52] <Dflies> Conundrum_: what do you mean "what type"? It's a maxtor IDE hdd 200gb
[15:52] <Sarasvati> Hey guys, quick question. I just upgraded to 8.04, and want to configure my second screen.
[15:52] <drurew> datacrusher: im sorry but i cannot help you.
[15:53] <datacrusher> thanks
[15:53] <Sarasvati> However when I go to Monitor and Displays, and click Administrator mode, nothing happends
[15:53] <Sarasvati> I get a password screen, type my password, and everything is still greyd out
[15:53] <Sarasvati> including the Adminsitrator button
[15:53] <drurew> ibo: oben is ein post fon "ubottu" ....mit links zum thema java auf kbuntu installiren
[15:53] <Dflies> However, just before I was going to install this new, my previous version crashed, and wouldn't boot
[15:54] <Conundrum_> internal?
[15:54] <Dflies> yes
[15:54] <Dflies> internal
[15:55] <Conundrum_> check your /etc/fstab
[15:55] <Conundrum_> see if it's mounted
[15:56] <Dflies> there's no such directory fstab
[15:56] <Conundrum_> it's a file
[15:56] <Dflies> ah.. stupid me :p
[15:56] <Conundrum_> nano /etc/fstab
[15:56] <drurew> : nano /etc/fstab
[15:56] <drurew> :D
[15:56] <genii> perhaps sudo will be needed to edit that
[15:56] <Conundrum_> we don't need to edit it lol
[15:56] <Dflies> there's two lines
[15:56] <Conundrum_> paste it out
[15:56] <spanther> i edit with mc (midnight commander) no vi or nano :P
[15:56] <Dflies> ok
[15:57] <Conundrum_> lol
[15:57] <Dflies> nionfs / unionfs rw 0 0
[15:57] <Dflies> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0
[15:57] <Conundrum_> hmm
[15:57] <Conundrum_> it isnt mounted
[15:57] <Conundrum_> are u booting off the livecd now?
[15:57] <Dflies> yes
[15:57] <Conundrum_> btw, are you sure your drive isn't faulty?
[15:57] <Conundrum_> it failed to mount
[15:58] <Dflies> How can I check it?
[15:58] <Conundrum_> try mount /dev/sda1
[15:59] <Dflies> mount: can't find /dev/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[15:59] <genii> Dflies: What filesystem is it?
[15:59] <Dflies> umm.. ext3?
[15:59] <Conundrum_> check for loose ide connectors
[16:00] <Conundrum_> seems to be hardware related
[16:00] <Sadr> I'm planning on attempting to install Kubuntu (+wine etc.) on my old stationary later today... All I know about Linux, Kubuntu etc. is what I've read; never used. Can I hope to have a working dual-boot Kubuntu installation by the end of this day? ^^
[16:00] <Conundrum_> are you able to boot off it from any other os's?
[16:00] <tdn> llutz, it has an256MB  Nvidia Quattro, yes.
[16:00] <genii> OK. So then   sudo mkdir /mnt/tmp; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/tmp                then try to see if you can list any files in that directory
[16:00] <drurew> Sadr: yes
[16:01] <Dflies> mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
[16:01] <Conundrum_> anyone knows whats the command to run  kdeguidance?
[16:01] <Sadr> :) I hope you're right
[16:02] <llutz> Conundrum_: guidance-power-manager
[16:02] <Conundrum_> alrite
[16:02] <genii> Dflies:  Does:   ls /dev/sd*       report any hard drives at all?
[16:02] <llutz> Dflies: sudo fdisk -l
[16:02] <genii> r
[16:02] <genii> Bah
[16:02] <Conundrum_> genii:
[16:02] <chriszz> a
[16:02] <Conundrum_> he listed his fstab earlier on
[16:02] <Conundrum_> only the live cd is mounted
[16:03] <llutz> Conundrum_: fstab has nothing to do with "fdisk -l"
[16:03] <Conundrum_> oh
[16:03] <genii> Conundrum_: The fstab has nothing to do with what physical drives might be in the /dev directory
[16:03] <Conundrum_> pardon my puny knowledge
[16:04] <genii> Conundrum_: No worries, we all were novices once.
[16:05] <drurew> Sadr: it really depends on you
[16:05] <Conundrum_> llutz: guidance > kpowersave?
[16:05] <fusto> Hi, since upgrading to hardy I am unable to access my cdrom on the command line - I'm trying dd if=/dev/scd0 of=name.iso, what's going on?
[16:05] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[16:06] <ActionParsnip> fusto: is scd0 your cd drive?
[16:07] <Dflies> genii: no it doesn't report anything. llutz: doesn't echo anything
[16:07] <Dflies> so its hardware problem?
[16:07] <llutz> Dflies: check hdd-cable
[16:07] <genii> Dflies: About 99% sure hd crash, yes
[16:07] <fusto> ActionParsnip: It ejects with eject /dev/scd0
[16:08] <genii> (if all connections are correct hardware wise)
[16:08] <Dflies> mhm.. I'll close the comp and check :f
[16:08] <Nyad> Hi. I deleted a file yesterday and I want it back, how do I do that? I deleted it so that it doesn't go to the trash
[16:08] <llutz> Nyad: use your backup
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> fusto: makeisofs not do what you want
[16:09] <Nyad> llutz: I deleted that too
[16:09] <llutz> bad luck
[16:09] <Nyad> llutz: why would I have a backup?
[16:09] <Nyad> can't I use some file recovery program?
[16:10] <llutz> Nyad: if you don't have a backup, your data isn't important. deleted files are hard to recover on ext2/3
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> Nyad: its good to have a backup. I bet you have gigs of music / photos or whatever. What if the controller ono the drive dies? What do you do then?
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> you've lost all your stuff
[16:11] <Nyad> controller? is that what usually kills a drive?   I don't have enough space to backup 300GB of anime
[16:11] <spanther> how to install proprietary display drivers in kubuntu? :)
[16:12] <genii> !info recover
[16:12] <llutz> Nyad: buy another disk to backup it
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> Nyad: the pcb attached to the drive hardware, the IDE
[16:12]  * genii sips his coffee
[16:12] <Conundrum_> spanther: go to applications ---> system ---> hardware drivers manager
[16:12] <Conundrum_> from the launcher that is
[16:12] <spanther> Conundrum_, you made my day hehe thank you so much :)
[16:12] <Conundrum_> no prob
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> Nyad: even if you get another 300Gb drive to backup to it'll save you from this kind of issue
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> your 300Gb of data is clearly not important to you at all
[16:12] <Conundrum_> 3.5inch sata's are going for dirt cheap prices
[16:13] <Conundrum_> buy a simple enclosure and there u go :p
[16:13] <llutz> external HDDs are better than no backup at all
[16:13] <Conundrum_> yea
[16:13] <spanther> Conundrum_, i dont have an hardware drivers manager :(
[16:13] <Nyad> they not cheap where I live
[16:13] <Conundrum_> are you using kde 4?
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> Nyad: if your drive dies you'll be sat thinking "I wish i had a backup"
[16:14] <spanther> Conundrum_, 3.5
[16:14] <llutz> Nyad: then start saving money and pray that nothing happens
[16:14] <Conundrum_> u'll need to to get the envy package
[16:14] <gonzaloaf> hi, if I have 2 sound devices, how do I set one of then as the default?
[16:15] <spanther> Conundrum_, envyng-gtk ?
[16:15] <Conundrum_> is there a qt version?
[16:15] <spanther> yes
[16:15] <Conundrum_> get that
[16:15] <jussi01> gonzaloaf: asoundconf list and then asoundconf set-default-card cardname
[16:15] <spanther> qt gtk and core
[16:15] <drurew> am i barking up the wrong tree when i think i can use dyndns or similar without having acess to the router?
[16:15] <Conundrum_> since u're using kde
[16:15] <spanther> Conundrum_, and whats the "core" package?
[16:16] <Dflies> Thanks for help guys.. the cable wasn't properly, now I managed to boot to my current one. Gonna install it now->
[16:16] <Conundrum_> core is basically non gui
[16:16] <Conundrum_> just cmd line based
[16:16] <spanther> ah okay :)
[16:16] <ActionParsnip> Nyad: i dont know about recovering deleted files though dude
[16:16] <jussi01> gonzaloaf: and normally its polite to only ask in one place ata time
[16:16] <fusto> ActionParsnip: making an iso of a music CD is my current problem, I would like to be able to mount cdroms in the normal way. They are available in konqueror under system:/media/cdrom but not in the actual filesystem
[16:16] <Nyad> ActionParsnip: ok
[16:16] <ActionParsnip> Dflies: id run an fschk just to make sure its ok
[16:16] <Conundrum_> Nyad: Windows + Undelete Pro ftw :x
[16:17] <spanther> Conundrum_, got it and now? :D
[16:17] <Nyad> Conundrum_: ya but this is linux
[16:17] <Conundrum_> run it lol
[16:17] <drurew> am i barking up the wrong tree when i think i can use dyndns or similar without having acess to the router?
[16:17] <gonzaloaf> jussi01, ok thanks
[16:17] <spanther> where :)
[16:17] <Conundrum_> Nyad:  i wonder if you can use the ext drivers for windows for file recovery
[16:17] <Firefishe> How do I use the disk from 7.10 to update from 7.04?
[16:17] <Conundrum_> sounds far fetched thou
[16:17] <gonzaloaf> jussi01, Do I need to re-log on to see the changes?
[16:17] <jussi01> gonzaloaf: no
[16:18] <Conundrum_> Firefishe: u add the cd as a repo
[16:18] <Conundrum_> then do apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:18] <Nyad> Conundrum_: it's ok I'll just rewrite it
[16:18] <gonzaloaf> jussi01, thanks
[16:18] <Firefishe> Conundrum_:  How do I add the CD via the command line.  I've never done it before.
[16:19] <Conundrum_> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:19] <gonzaloaf> how do I enable compiz effects on kubuntu?
[16:20] <Conundrum_> spanther:  just run the gui and choose the driver version
[16:20] <spanther> Conundrum_, coool envy rocks :D first time its sooo easy and automatical to install and deinstall drivers :)
[16:20] <drurew> so as long as my network firewall is "on" there is no way to ddns a system ?
[16:20] <Conundrum_> lol
[16:21] <Conundrum_> yea
[16:21] <fusto> how do you get round the media kioslave 'hiding' music cd's in some kind of system:/ wrapper? Has KDE become too helpful?
[16:21] <drurew> shhooooot
[16:21] <Firefishe> Conundrum_:  Well, yes.  What's the proper syntax for adding a cd manually?  I usually use synaptic, but quite frankly, I'd like to learn something new today.
[16:22] <Firefishe> ;)
[16:22] <spanther> with the help of envy builds will be fine and uninstalls for kernel upgrades too :) easy ^^
[16:22] <Conundrum_> Firefishe: sudo apt-cdrom add
[16:22] <llutz> fusto: audio-cd don't contain a valid iso-fs, "cdda2wav -B -paranoia -L0 dev=/dev/scd0"
[16:22] <ougs> how do i assign a button to starting a specific application in kde4?
[16:22] <spanther> brb reboot
[16:22] <Firefishe> Conundrum_:  gracias :)
[16:22] <Conundrum_> :)
[16:23] <Conundrum_> Firefishe: sure you don't wanna do a dist-upgrade to 8.04?
[16:23] <Conundrum_> :p
[16:24] <stefanos_> am i the only one having trouble using ntfs-3g?
[16:24] <Conundrum_> i guess so
[16:24] <Conundrum_> worked fine out of the box for me
[16:24] <Firefishe> Conundrum_:  Well, here's what I'm doing.  I have the ubuntu 7.10 Gutsy dvd, and the kubuntu 8.04 cd-rom (thought Canonical was sending me a dvd, oh well).  I want to use both and save some time.  This connection is only about 40K actual.  Decently fast for a DSL, but still,.
[16:24] <stefanos_> you mean you just boot and everything works fine, the drives are mounted at boot and you can read and write as user?
[16:24] <Conundrum_> oh
[16:24] <fusto> llutz: I don't want to rip the cd into inividual tracks, it's just been mastered, I need to be able to ftp it so that it can be reproduced exactly at the other end
[16:24] <Conundrum_> yeap stefanos_
[16:25] <stefanos_> Conundrum_: wtf? really strange
[16:25] <gonzaloaf> hi. how do I enable compiz effects on kubuntu?
[16:25] <Conundrum_> oh wait
[16:25] <Conundrum_> i know why
[16:25] <Conundrum_> install the package fam
[16:25] <spanther> it works thank you so much Conundrum_  :)
[16:25] <Conundrum_> sudo apt-get install fam
[16:25] <Conundrum_> heh np spanther
[16:26] <stefanos_> what's fam?
[16:26] <Conundrum_> file alteration monitor
[16:27] <stefanos_> yeah, who should install it? were you talking to me?
[16:27] <Conundrum_> yeap you
[16:27] <stefanos_> oh ok
[16:27] <Conundrum_> helps in hotplugging too if im not wrong
[16:27] <spanther> Conundrum_, do you know how to get this theme too? http://www.fem.tu-ilmenau.de/fileadmin/fem-homepage/files/faq/fem-net/setup/2k-dns-g.gif
[16:28] <stefanos_> in fstab are you using the defaults?
[16:28] <ougs> anyone knows how to assign a key to a specific application?
[16:28] <Conundrum_> yea
[16:28] <Conundrum_> spanther:  isn't that windows ? -_-"
[16:28] <llutz> fusto: use cdrdao or cdda2wav without -B to read your cd
[16:28] <stefanos_> ok
[16:28] <stefanos_> let's try mount -a
[16:28] <spanther> Conundrum_, its the windows 2000 theme design hehe
[16:29] <Conundrum_> lol no idea about that
[16:29] <spanther> i wont have windows but this theme cause its slim basic and clean :)
[16:30] <gonzaloaf> hi. how do I enable the 3d effects in kubuntu?
[16:30] <Conundrum_> search for the compiz package
[16:31] <Conundrum_> and install the required (restricted)/ (open source) graphic card drivers
[16:32] <veyron> Conundrum_: all_generic_ide floppy=off irqpoll, doesn't help
[16:32] <Conundrum_> veyron: im sorry then im out of solutions
[16:32] <Conundrum_> try googling
[16:33] <gonzaloaf> Conundrum_, thanks
[16:33] <Persi_> hi, does anyone here have an idea on how to set up broadband through wireless?
[16:33] <gonzaloaf> Conundrum_, after installed, where do I enable it?
[16:33] <Conundrum_> compiz?
[16:33] <gonzaloaf> yes
[16:34] <Conundrum_> click on install package in adept / synaptic or manually install it in apt-get
[16:34] <spanther> Conundrum_, i have another prob i have installed ubuntu then switched software to kubuntu (cause i had no cd lol) now i've installed everything but my 2nd harddrive isnt mounted automatically how to do so? its fat32 and sdb1
[16:35] <veyron> I did a very long web research before asking you, thx
[16:35] <genii> gonzaloaf: Aside from the compiz package you will probably also like:  compizconfig-settings-manager and kde-window-decorator packages.  After all is done installing, switch to compiz by: alt-f2  compiz --replace
[16:36] <Firefishe> Conundrum_:  I did my <sudo apt-get update> then <sudo apt-get upgrade>.  After this, I did the <sudo apt-get dist-upgrade> and received the following ouput:  http://rafb.net/p/9MBDS266.html
[16:36] <gonzaloaf> Conundrum_, I mean, I've already installed them, now how do I enable the effects?
[16:36] <genii> gonzaloaf: You can configure the look and feel of it with the compizconfig-settings-manager which is called ccsm for short when running it
[16:37] <gonzaloaf> genii, I cant find the kde-window-decorator pkgs
[16:38] <genii> gonzaloaf: compiz-kde
[16:39] <genii> gonzaloaf: That is the package name. The kde-window-decorator is the name of the program in it, which allows you to use the theme or so on you already are using without compiz
[16:39] <gonzaloaf> genii, and if something goes wrong, how do I go back to my current configuration?
[16:40] <genii> gonzaloaf: If the alt-f2  compiz --replace    goes weird etc, and still have gui,   then alt-f2 and  kwin --replace
[16:40] <Conundrum_> dont know much about compiz since i've never meddled with it before
[16:41] <techbw> hi all...does anyone know where i can find a good tutorial to setup dovecot and postfix?  really need one that is easy to follow and understand, have found others but are quite complex
[16:41] <genii> gonzaloaf: If alt-f2 not accessible then close the X server by keystroke ctrl-backspace  which dumps you to login again
[16:42] <genii> Maybe ctrl-alt-backspace   I am sometimes forgetting those combos
[16:42] <Conundrum_> does anyone know if ext3 partitions can be resized?
[16:42] <Dr_Willis> alt-ctrl-F1 for the console
[16:43] <Dr_Willis> alt-ctrl-backspace = kills X.
[16:43] <Dr_Willis> but then X will restart
[16:43] <genii> Dr_Willis: Yes, I recommended it if he can't do the alt-f2 kwin --replace
[16:44] <Dr_Willis> I always got yakuake on F12 for a better terminal. :)
[16:45] <ougs> so, how do you actually get compiz going?? compiz --replace and then restart X or what??
[16:45] <genii> Conundrum_: Yes they can be resized in parted/gparted/qtparted but not recommended if they are mounted
[16:46] <genii> ougs: No, the   alt-f2    compiz --replace      immediately takes effect
[16:46] <Conundrum_> ok thanks
[16:46] <Dr_Willis> Check the !compiz factoid.  - Normally you start it. and it 'should' get saved to the kde session after you do that --replace bit.
[16:46] <ougs> i don't really see any difference apart from the windows changed decoration
[16:46] <Dr_Willis> You cant resize a mounted one - as far as i know. :)
[16:46] <Dr_Willis> ougs,  time to move the windows around and  install the ccsm tool and play with the wiggly windows!
[16:47] <genii> ougs: Thats why you run the ccsm      to set the cube or so on
[16:48] <ougs> ok. i get it now :)
[16:49] <gonzaloaf> !compiz
[16:49] <AdamTech1> Firefishe, hello
[16:49] <grendal_prime> how do i get rid of that progress indicator splash screen so i can see what is loading?  i got something that is taking forever to load and i cant figure out what it is.
[16:49] <Dr_Willis> You mean at boot time?
[16:49] <Firefishe> Hi AdamTech1 :)
[16:50] <Dr_Willis> if so - use the 'nosplash' kernel option in the grub config.
[16:50] <grendal_prime> ya Dr_Willis
[16:50] <rav> hello. is there a command to open the Printers module of System Settings at the command line?
[16:50] <grendal_prime> at boot time..
[16:51] <AdamTech1> hello Firefishe :)
[16:52] <hotpocket> how can i search my windows partition from ubuntu?
[16:52] <grendal_prime> this machine all of the sudden takes like 5 min to boot..and on that screen it hangs there about 1/3rd of the way through the progress indicator.On the debian systems im familar with the boot processes are output to the screen so you can see whats being loaded.
[16:53] <grendal_prime> hotpocket: mount the ntfs partition
[16:53] <hotpocket> how?
[16:53] <Dr_Willis> !nosplash
[16:53] <Dr_Willis> !ntfs
[16:53] <llutz> !ntfs | hotpocket
[16:53] <grendal_prime> ntfsutils
[16:54] <Conundrum_> !nfts
[16:54] <grendal_prime> or the 3g
[16:54] <Conundrum_> ntfs-3g
[16:54] <Conundrum_> alrite imma turn in
[16:54] <Conundrum_> peace out guys
[16:54] <grendal_prime> ya that thing works pretty good...tell it doesnt..(but i personally have never had it go south on me)
[16:54] <Dr_Willis> I think one of these days they need to make a 'setup-wizard' to let users tweak all these commonly wanted tasks and get things goung. :)
[16:54] <Dr_Willis> Ive had windows trash more ntfs filesystems then linux. :)
[16:55] <Giskard_Reventlo> hi. Using firefox-3 on kubuntu Hardy heron x86_64. Upgrading to firefox-3 from firefox-2 causes flash plugin to stop working with the following error: http://pastebin.com/m70635b8e
[16:55] <jason__> i'm a new ubuntu user
[16:55] <jason__> itz quite good!
[16:55] <Conundrum_> Giskard_Reventlo: get the restricted flash software from the repos
[16:55] <Giskard_Reventlo> I did
[16:55] <Conundrum_> hmm
[16:55] <Conundrum_> mine works fine /
[16:56] <Conundrum_> =/
[16:56] <Giskard_Reventlo> flash-restricted-nonfree right?
[16:56] <Conundrum_> yeap
[16:56] <Giskard_Reventlo> I have flashplugin-nonfree version 9.0.124 installed
[16:56] <hotpocket> i just need to grab a game from my windows C: drive from ubuntu and dont feel like rebooting
[16:57] <Giskard_Reventlo> Conunmdrum: Is that the package you have as well?
[16:57] <hotpocket> found it nevermind
[16:58] <Conundrum_> yes
[16:58] <Conundrum_> exactly the same
[16:58] <rav> there's no Kprint in Ubuntu?
[16:58] <Conundrum_> did u restart ff3?
[16:58] <Dr_Willis> !find kprint
[16:58] <Dr_Willis> hmm..
[16:58] <Dr_Willis> Guess theres no kprint.
[16:59] <Giskard_Reventlo> yeah, I restarted ff3
[16:59] <Giskard_Reventlo> Dr_Willis: There should bea kprint in ubuntu (there is for me)
[16:59] <hotpocket> kprint?
[16:59] <rav> I guess that's why I can't print in 8.04 64-bit
[16:59] <Dr_Willis> I just ran it and got not found..  of course i am installikg Kubuntu-desktop at this moment. :)
[17:00] <Giskard_Reventlo> KDE print dialog, right?
[17:00] <rav> correct
[17:00] <Giskard_Reventlo> do a search for "KDE print" - whatever on synaptic or something and install everything that comes up :)
[17:01] <rav> nothing on aptitude
[17:02] <ubuntu_> Kampf der Komponenten... DIE BORLAND DIE
[17:02] <Firefishe> LOL
[17:02] <Firefishe> kill the components...die borland die???  did I get that right?
[17:03] <ubuntu_> no
[17:03] <ubuntu_> war of the components
[17:03] <Firefishe> figures... ;)
[17:03] <ubuntu_> xD
[17:03] <Firefishe> as in xD picture card?
[17:04] <ubuntu_> yeah
[17:04] <Firefishe> where can I read about the controversy? ;)
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> xxxD?
[17:04] <Firefishe> Dr_Willis: That's for that new heavy-encrypted card for lewd photography ;) hee
[17:04] <rav> every application I try to print with becomes non-reponsive, and also the Printers module in System Settings
[17:05] <Firefishe> If your dna age sequence is less than 18, it won't let you view anything ;)
[17:06] <hariseldon99> sorry my wireless went down for a sec
[17:06] <hariseldon99> was Giskard Reventlo
[17:09] <rav> i tried re-installing the kdeprint module, got the same result
[17:12] <hariseldon99> rav: What happens if you try to print something?
[17:14] <rav> hariseldon99: the application becomes non-reponsive as I click the print button on the toolbar. The print dialog doesn't even show up
[17:14] <hariseldon99> have you configged cups properly?
[17:15] <rav> hariseldon99: I haven't done anything to cups, just got downloaded with KDE
[17:15] <hariseldon99> you have to config cups also I think
[17:15] <rav> how do i do that?
[17:16] <Dr_Willis> theres a kde control panel thing to configure printers.
[17:16] <Dr_Willis> Mine printers are old enough and simple enouhg. I just plug them in and they get auto-detected-configured. :)
[17:17] <rav> Dr_Willis: when I click on Printers, in KDE Control, KDE Control becomes non-reponsive
[17:17] <hariseldon99> rav: install cups, then point your web browser to https://localhost:631 and add your printer
[17:17] <Dr_Willis> sounds like some hardware issues. check 'dmesg' output also
[17:18] <hariseldon99> rav: Is your printer local or remote?
[17:19] <rav> hariseldon99: I just clicked on your link and it didn't work, it's my firewall!!!!
[17:19] <rav> the port is closed
[17:19] <hariseldon99> hehe
[17:19] <hariseldon99> then open it :)
[17:19] <huie> rav: Ha ha How can it close the port on your local computer?
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> that would be a good firewall to block a localhost address/port. :)
[17:19] <huie> you closed the ports with ipchains?
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> I would imagine that cups isent running or the web interface is disabled
[17:20] <huie> cups not running might explain a good deal
[17:20] <hariseldon99> keep cups off for now. best to connect printer, then start cups
[17:21] <hariseldon99> if your driver is installed, then cups shuld automagically config itself
[17:24] <rav> OK! It's working now. My firewall was blocking port 631 to the CUPS server
[17:26] <huie> rav: ^_^
[17:34] <flotishtu> how can i share some files on linux ubuntu . and windows as client?  isnt there a graphical way?
[17:34] <hariseldon99> flotishtu: google for samba
[17:35] <flotishtu> !samba | hariseldon99
[17:35] <hariseldon99> there ya go
[17:35] <flotishtu> :)
[17:35] <flotishtu> i need a gui
[17:35] <hariseldon99> google for smb4k
[17:35] <hariseldon99> and there is a kde control center dialog gui for samba config