[16:02] <PCLine__> Good morning everyone.
[20:08] <Unit193> Howdy.
[20:38] <PCLine__> Hello Unit193
[20:39] <PCLine__> hows things with you?


[06:16] <dlPhreak> Mawnin
[07:20] <cal_py> morning!
[07:54] <Kilos> morning everybody
[07:55] <dlPhreak> Morning Kilos
[07:57] <cal_py> morning Kilos
[07:57] <cal_py> how are you today
[07:57] <Kilos> hi dlPhreak cal_py ok ty and you's
[07:57] <dlPhreak> Pretty swell
[07:57] <cal_py> all good here Kilos
[08:01] <dlPhreak> Did you guys have a good weekend?
[08:01] <Kilos> quiet
[08:02] <Kilos> actually very quiet here
[08:03] <dlPhreak> No hardcore minecrafting?
[08:03] <Kilos> no i gave up because it uses too much data
[08:04] <dlPhreak> Why don't you just get adsl? 3G is very expensive and so limiting.
[08:05] <Kilos> no lines to plots
[08:06] <dlPhreak> Oh okay that makes sense. We had the same problem when we lived on a farm.
[08:09] <dlPhreak> We didn't even get 3G there tho only edge... man that was aweful.  I used to be an aviation nut, loved hte Mig-29
[09:50] <Kilos> ah
[09:50] <fulcrum> it seems to have gotten me banned from some channels ... :-\
[09:51] <Kilos> oh my
[09:51] <Kilos> when you dont use a nick others do
[09:52] <fulcrum> looks like I can register it...
[10:30] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[10:30] <superfly> hi Kilos
[16:16] <Kilos> chesedo did you see the last mail from phiri about the learning
[16:34] <chesedo> no Kilos, have been lazy at emails lately
[16:34]  * chesedo goes to check
[16:34] <Kilos> a follow up from wwk
[16:41] <chesedo> wiki seems to be loading slow again... did wwk's mail reach the list (the inline in phiri's seems to be the only one i got for it)?
[16:42] <Kilos> sec
[16:42] <chesedo> wiki just opened
[16:43] <Kilos> dont you see all the links in the wwk section
[16:44] <chesedo> yes i do
[16:44] <Kilos> all you clever peeps should get involved there
[16:44] <chesedo> just never got the original for wwk's section (maybe he mailed phiri directly)
[16:45] <chesedo> Kilos: we will still need the help of a less clever guy to know that the material is not going over heads
[16:46] <Kilos> ill watch you guys
[16:46] <Kilos> the thing is to get a group together then work through all that stuff
[16:47] <Kilos> boom booms power could go
[16:47] <chesedo> the point is that we work together as a loco so the group should not be an issue... just have to find common interests
[16:48] <Kilos> yeah
[16:48]  * chesedo lost power for a 1s a while ago
[16:48] <chesedo> but seems to be coming from the west
[16:50] <chesedo> wwk and phiri might be keen on this one though so just need a few more
[16:58]  * chesedo wbb after the storm
[18:18] <Kilos> hi there melodie wb
[18:18] <melodie> hello Kilos !!!
[18:18] <melodie> I got your messages thanks!
[18:19] <Kilos> you ok?
[18:19] <melodie> hope you are fine too!
[18:19] <Kilos> yes im good ty
[18:19] <melodie> slight headache but I'll be ok
[18:20] <Kilos> someone here tried bento and i said support is good from you, then i couldnt find you
[18:21] <Kilos> dlPhreak wheres cal_py
[18:26] <Kilos> im still using bento 14.04 on old desktop pc melodie
[18:27] <Kilos> i like it
[18:32] <melodie> Kilos just send the people to http://linuxvillage.org then, and specifically the forum
[18:32] <melodie> and also we are about to install a new look/theme on the forum!
[18:33] <Kilos> ok ty
[18:34] <melodie> who here knows about recent CPU brands?
[18:34] <melodie> and how they behave with Ubuntu?
[18:34] <melodie> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=intel-skl-prelim-support
[18:34] <melodie> I need to choose either a i5 (but which one?) or a i7 (same, which one?) for someone
[18:34] <melodie> and I don't know enough about them
[18:36] <Kilos> dont know about new one, i have a lenovo i5 thinkpad that runs well
[18:37] <Kilos> i5 with 8g ram should be fine
[18:37] <Kilos> mine has 4g and works well
[18:43] <melodie> I also have a i5 lenovo, but this is recent hardware and the very new brands often need new kernels to handle the job under linux properly
[18:44] <Kilos> ouch
[18:45] <melodie> i5 thinkpad is M520 on my machine, 2.4 Ghz, the one I am suggested to pick up is either 3.3 Ghz, or 3.5Ghz. the fastest is a i7 that has 4 cores with 4 Ghz
[18:45] <Kilos> mine is a t410.i
[18:46] <Kilos> older i think
[18:46] <Kilos> i dont know anyone here that has just bought a new lappy
[18:47] <melodie> this will be a tower
[18:47] <Kilos> ah
[19:04] <Kilos> melodie have you looked at https://system76.com/laptops
[19:05] <Kilos> shouldnt be any probs with a ubuntu preinstalled laptop
[19:10] <melodie> omg!
[19:10] <melodie> leave it, I've visited the entire world before Xmas! (on the web)
[19:11] <melodie> it will be a tower!!!
[19:11] <melodie> :D
[19:13] <Kilos> lol
[19:16] <Kilos> ok bed time for me
[19:16] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:16] <Kilos> night melodie dont work too hsrd
[19:16] <melodie> Kilos good night, thanks


[10:22] <ubunter12> dabaSlon, physical connections are fine as same USB drive shows up if I bootup using LiveCD or also in Windows
[10:22] <mikekgr> malign-traps: I am very sure it freezed completelly...
[10:22] <Fackamato> _kevin: yes.
[10:22] <dabaSlon> ok, so you tried unplugging plugging back in?
[10:23] <dabaSlon> fackamato, I would remove firewalls to try, at least youll know if it is that.
[10:23] <malign-traps> mikekgr: There are two kinds of problems it could be:  A kernel panic/hang, or a console hang.  We need first to fiure out which it is.  Do you have another computer nearby on the same network?
[10:23] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: it works on windows computers in the same network here, so I don't think it's a firewall problem. There's also nothing in the logs about it.
[10:23] <dabaSlon> I mean, fackamato.
[10:24] <dabaSlon> do you see where it says adblock
[10:24] <dabaSlon> ?
[10:24] <dabaSlon> do you have an adblock program on your comp??
[10:24] <Akiyuki> Does anyone know if the WG311V2 card will work with UBUNTU?
[10:24] <reisio> dabaSlon: that tab is to optionally remove it
[10:24] <toonX> does anything has to do that this package is from the universe?
[10:24] <reisio> dabaSlon: it doesn't do it without you explicitly saying to
[10:24] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: I had the adblock extensino for firefox, and yes I saw that adblock button on the flash stuff. But I removed adblock to see if that was the problem, but no change.
[10:24] <reisio> Fackamato: that's not it
[10:24] <dabaSlon> did you have flash installed at that time?
[10:25] <reisio> Fackamato: you Flash or Firefox install is just goofed
[10:25] <ubunter12> dabaSlon, plugging / unplugging is not working
[10:25] <reisio> s/you/your
[10:25] <dabaSlon> toonX: apt-get isntall it?
[10:25] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: yes.
[10:25] <Marble2> crap, I just mv'd a file over another file
[10:25] <Marble2> how do I undelete the first file?
[10:25] <Hatred> mornin all
[10:25] <mikekgr> malign-traps: The problem appeared not in the booting but when the system tried to activate the X.org server ... and yes it hangs
[10:25] <reisio> Hatred: mornin'
[10:25] <dabaSlon> marble, no.
[10:25] <spinifex> I don't think you can, Marble2.  Welcome to *nix
[10:25] <dabaSlon> sorry./
[10:25] <Marble2> ugh
[10:25] <Marble2> dammit
[10:25] <malign-traps> mikekgr: Do you have another computer nearby on the same network?
[10:25] <Hatred> how are you reisio ?
[10:25] <Akiyuki> Does anyone know if the WG311V2 card will work with UBUNTU?
[10:26] <dabaSlon> hey,. haterd.
[10:26] <dooglus> I've messed up a bit.  How can I fix this mess?  First, I used 'synaptic' to uninstall shorewall.  I didn't use the 'completely' option.  Then I noticed that /etc/init.d/shorewall was still around, so I deleted it (rm as root).  Now I can't reinstall shorewall, because "invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/shorewall not found.".  What should I do?
[10:26] <mikekgr> malign-traps: no
[10:26] <Hatred> dabaSoln :p
[10:26] <dabaSlon> ubunter, not sure, mine mounts:-p:)
[10:26] <dabaSlon> I love my computer:)
[10:26] <toonX> dabaSlon,  no , it does not install it , it finds it but when it comes to download it , i get this error "size mismatch"
[10:26] <dabaSlon> no issues...everything working fine...
[10:26] <dabaSlon> really.
[10:26] <ubunter12> dabaSlon, wld you know the command for manually mounting the usb stick ?
[10:26] <dabaSlon> can you post teh error to pastebin?
[10:26] <spinifex> dooglus: go into synaptic, select "Not Installed (residual config)" and then completely remove it
[10:26] <dabaSlon> http://pastebin.com.
[10:27] <Akiyuki> Does anyone know if the WG311V2 card will work with UBUNTU?
[10:27] <reisio> Hatred: good good, you?
[10:27] <reisio> http://rafb.net/paste/
[10:27] <toonX> dabaSlon, how can i Force Version with apt-get install ? doesn't let me do it in synaptic
[10:27] <omie> anyone know how glibc 2.3.5 ends up getting into hoary?  which package(s) pulls it in?  some were saying backports, but we have a machine here that hasn't touched backports or breezy and it's got 2.3.5
[10:27] <Hatred> i'm running an application that says it sets the x root window to an image,
[10:27] <Hatred> though, i got nfi what the x root window is
[10:27] <Hatred> :s
[10:27] <dabaSlon> akiyuki, you can check out the ndiswrapper list of supported cards, or google for model+linux.
[10:28] <mikekgr> malign-traps: it is not possible to change to any console (alt+ctrl+F1) not possible to kill X server nor alt+ctrl+del ...
[10:28] <dabaSlon> omie, well, build-essential maybe.
[10:28] <dooglus> spinifex: it's not in 'residual config'
[10:28] <malign-traps> mikekgr:  Yes.  That doesn't tell us whether the console is hung or whether the kernel is hung.
[10:28] <dabaSlon> toonx, dunno, man apt-get.
[10:28] <reisio> Hatred: that's the "desktop"
[10:29] <dabaSlon> anyone watchin the champ league finals?
[10:29] <spinifex> dooglus: darn man, dunno then.  It's not possible to select "completely remove" on that package anymore?
[10:29] <reisio> Hatred: so you just ran an application for giving your desktop a wallpaper
[10:29] <toonX> dabaSlon, right :)
[10:29] <Hatred> reisio- correct,
[10:29] <dooglus> spinifex: I don't see it in the list of installed packages any more
[10:29] <reisio> Hatred: so you understand?
[10:29] <Hatred> i've been running numerous applications meant to run on the x root window
[10:29] <tone> hi there
[10:29] <toonX> i'll never get "round" that man :)
[10:29] <Hatred> hoever none of them have worked
[10:30] <dabaSlon> hey, tone.
[10:30] <malign-traps> mikekgr:  Best plan:  Boot the CD without X, from one console, "while sleep 1; do echo ^G; done" .  From another, start X.  If the beeping stops, then it's the kernel.
[10:30] <Hatred> it only when i shut it down and gdm squits that i see these things sitting behind my desktop :s
[10:30] <tone> i dont use ubuntu, but kubuntu, is there a channel for kubuntu problems ?
[10:30] <spinifex> tone: yes, read topic.  #kubuntu
[10:30] <mikekgr> malign-traps: the only sure is that knoppix 3.8.1 / 3.8.2 or older boots and run X server without any problem ... Why ubuntu not ???
[10:31] <reisio> Hatred: are you using GNOME?
[10:31] <Hatred> indeed i am
[10:31] <dabaSlon> hatredm, what??
[10:31] <dabaSlon> hatred, what app?
[10:31] <reisio> Hatred: GNOME has that functionality built in
[10:31] <tone> spinifex, sorry, im not familiar with xchat, i am just converting from windows/mirc
[10:31] <Hatred> xearth
[10:31] <Hatred> xgroach
[10:31] <reisio> Hatred: just right-click on the desktop
[10:31] <Hatred> xstarfish
[10:31] <dooglus> spinifex: you can type "/topic" I think
[10:31] <malign-traps> mikekgr: It has more vowels.  How the heck should I know.  Do you want to find out why, or mull over that it doesn't work?
[10:32] <dabaSlon> xwtf are those programs, please tell me.
[10:32] <dooglus> tone: you can type /topic to see the topic in xchat (or in any other IRC client)
[10:32] <mikekgr> malign-traps: how can boot without X server please explain
[10:32] <Hatred> dabaSlon- " Xearth sets the X root window to an  image  of  the  Earth,  as  seen  from  your
[10:32] <Hatred>        favorite vantage point in space, correctly shaded for the current position of the un."
[10:32] <reisio> mikekgr: remove xdm from whatever runlevel it's in
[10:32] <Hatred> Sun *
[10:32] <spinifex> tone: don't be sorry, no problem, I was just being concise
[10:32] <barroso> Hi, i can't open or save OOo files in a remote SMB server through Gnome VFS. I've installed the package openoffice.org-gnomevfs but it didn
[10:33] <reisio> Hatred: ya...are you looking for help with something or just chatting?
[10:33] <malign-traps> When first loading.  Guys?  Help this guy boot the Live CD without running X.  I've never run the Live CD.
[10:33] <Hatred> reisio- looking for help :\
[10:33] <mikekgr> reisio: I tried to boot live cd ...
[10:33] <mpq> firefox randomly crashes when I run flash files
[10:33] <reisio> mikekgr: oh
[10:33] <reisio> mpq: neat
[10:33] <reisio> mpq: URL?
[10:33] <Hatred> reisio- any ideas?
[10:33] <mpq> sometimes when I open a flash file firefox just randomly closes without a error message or anything
[10:34] <Hatred> you said 'right click on your desktop'
[10:34] <Hatred> then what?
[10:34] <Hatred> lol
[10:34] <mpq> and then the sound screws up
[10:34] <dabaSlon> hatred, did you figure out hwo to get it on top?
[10:34] <malign-traps> mikekgr: When the CD first starts to load, it prompts you for various schemes.  Choose the one that says something like "No GUI."
[10:34] <Hatred> dabaSlon- get what on top?
[10:34] <topyli> mpq: flash is like that :)
[10:34] <dabaSlon> what do you ned help with?
[10:34] <spinifex> =p actually I haven't seen flash do that.  Only Java
[10:34] <Hatred> i want these applications to wrk
[10:34] <spinifex> I'd blame hardware for that
[10:34] <Hatred> they say they display on something called the 'x root window'
[10:35] <topyli> spinifex: yeah, actually java(script) is worse
[10:35] <dabaSlon> ok, so they are working, just onder your desktop, kk, I am gonna log out now to see it, I have one running. Maybe its a screen saver, hatred,.
[10:35] <Hatred> ii don't see them, until i shut down my computer, gdm quits and then i see them sitting behind everything in the background......
[10:35] <spinifex> javascript and java are completely different things.  Java applets is what I was referring to, which have a habit of crashing firefox
[10:35] <malign-traps> Hatred: You have several programs wanting to write to the root window.  Nautilus does, for instance.  It's a config option deep in gconf, IIRC.
[10:36] <mikekgr> malign-traps: OK I dont remember that but I will boot it once again to see it one more time BUT I did not remember any selection or cheat code like this...
[10:36] <spinifex> javascript only crashes it if you make it do too much and end up 'not responding' on the client's machine
[10:36] <reisio> spinifex: well that's because of bad programming :p
[10:36] <reisio> spinifex: usually :)
[10:36] <Hatred> malign-traps- gconf?
[10:36] <malign-traps> mikekgr: I'm pretty sure it's there.  Did you get what I said to do with the echo-control-Gs?
[10:36] <danko123456> opk, yeah, I see it.
[10:36] <danko123456> just a sec.
[10:36] <spinifex> no, the mere existence of java applets makes firefox more likely to crash
[10:37] <spinifex> especially on windows
[10:37] <reisio> windows is another anomoly :p
[10:37] <spinifex> hey, I've used windows a lot
[10:37] <danko123456> heyl who awsa wanting to force a version...
[10:37] <mikekgr> malign-traps: sait it one more time please  "echo-control-Gs?"
[10:37] <danko123456> with bitchx?
[10:37] <malign-traps> mikekgr:  Best plan:  Boot the CD without X, from one console, "while sleep 1; do echo ^G; done" .  From another, start X.  If the beeping stops, then it's the kernel.
[10:37] <danko123456> Package, force version in synaptic, right in the menu.
[10:38] <malign-traps> That "^G" is a control-G.
[10:38] <Hatred> malign-traps- what would you suggest I do?
[10:38] <mikekgr> malign-traps: OK thanks, I will try it.
[10:38] <Jeezis> having trouble with my wireless card, it's an belkin f5d6020 ver. 2. everytime i boot with the card in i get an error for the irq the card has
[10:39] <jbailey> omie: I've checked my i386 system that has hoary and hoary-updates, and I don't see it there at all.
[10:39] <danko123456> hatred, did you read the man page?
[10:39] <Hatred> for what exactly danko123456 ?
[10:39] <danko123456> lets say for xstarfish, cause that is the one I have installed.
[10:39] <danko123456> now,
[10:39] <flodine> can we update to kernel 2.6.12
[10:39] <reisio> Hatred: are you sure they're compatible with GNOME/Nautilus?
[10:39] <Hatred> danko123456- of course i have
[10:40] <reisio> Hatred: see technically Nautilus covers the entire root window
[10:40] <Hatred> aaah
[10:40] <spinifex> ...   what is the root window?
[10:40] <danko123456> ok, cause --display DISPLAY
[10:40] <danko123456>               Name of the target display.
[10:40] <danko123456> seeems like what may ghelp it.
[10:40] <Hatred> i see, so though they draw on the x root window, nautilus is over the top
[10:40] <Hatred> argh
[10:40] <Hatred> how furstrating
[10:40] <reisio> spinifex: the desktop, basically
[10:40] <reisio> Hatred: probably
[10:40] <Hatred> is tehre anyway to kill nautilus acting as a desktop?
[10:40] <danko123456> hatredm likely possible to fix.
[10:40] <reisio> Hatred: there's undoubtedly a way to fix it, but I don't know myself
[10:40] <reisio> Hatred: yes
[10:40] <dooglus> I can type "apt-get shorewall" to install it.  what can I type to completely uninstall it?
[10:40] <reisio> Hatred: there's a pref for nautilus somewhere
[10:41] <Hatred> lol 'somewhere'
[10:41] <reisio> Hatred: but hopefully you can make it work without losing your icons/etc on desktop
[10:41] <danko123456> apt-get remove -f?? package name?
[10:41] <flodine> hello
[10:41] <spinifex> so this xearth thing..  do I need to log out and in again to get it to show?
[10:41] <reisio> Hatred: well I've never done it :) I just know you can
[10:41] <danko123456> dooglus: man apt-get
[10:41] <reisio> flodine: lo
[10:41] <Hatred> lol, ty reisio i appreciate it :p
[10:41] <flodine> anyone with kernel 2.6.12
[10:41] <danko123456> spinifex: , yes./
[10:41] <spinifex> okay.  I shall
[10:41] <spinifex> brb
[10:41] <dooglus> danko123456: -f doesn't do it.  I've tried the manpage, but can't see anything about completely removing stuff, or about removing config files
[10:42] <reisio> Hatred: got it, 1sec
[10:42] <reisio> Hatred: item #12: http://spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/xfce4/index.php
[10:42] <Hatred> ty reisio
[10:43] <reisio> Hatred: so gconf: /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop
[10:43] <Hatred> gconf: /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop ?
[10:43] <reisio> Hatred: but really for things as popular as some of those programs, I would imagine you can get them to work without killing nautilus' desktop stuff
[10:43] <reisio> Hatred: set it to false
[10:44] <spinifex> uh, I don't see it
[10:44] <Hatred> ah ok cool
[10:44] <Hatred> ...
[10:44] <Hatred> how
[10:44] <Hatred> lol
[10:44] <reisio> Hatred: lol
[10:44] <Hatred> gconf: /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop false
[10:44] <Hatred> ?
[10:44] <reisio> Hatred: oh
[10:44] <Hatred> in a terminal
[10:44] <reisio> Hatred: Applications > System Tools > Configuration Editor
[10:45] <reisio> Hatred: oh I know - maybe you can set nautilus' desktop to transparent
[10:45] <malign-traps> No no no.
[10:46] <Hatred> no that works fine reisio
[10:46] <Hatred> i have no icons on my desktop anyhow
[10:46] <reisio> hrmmm maybe not
[10:46] <reisio> Hatred: ah okay :p
[10:46] <spinifex> okay, I'll try that then.  brb
[10:46] <Hatred> it's just a black blank screen, now i can use these applications and my xroot window to make things a little more interesting
[10:46] <Hatred> thatnkyou so much reisio i appreciate your help,
[10:46] <reisio> Hatred: there are also other things you can use to make launchers/icons on root window
[10:46] <Hatred> :D
[10:46] <reisio> Hatred: like idesk or something
[10:47] <danko123456> there it is...
[10:47] <danko123456> good stuff. Got the xroot to showe up:)
[10:47] <malign-traps> Hatred: Check out xscreensaver's modules, too.
[10:47] <Hatred> malign-traps- i'll do that now ;p
[10:47] <danko123456> very cool bg ...
[10:47] <danko123456> hatred what other ones did you mention, x what?
[10:48] <spinifex> nope, still don't see xearth.  Did I miss anything?
[10:48] <malign-traps> Hatred:  /usr/lib/xscreensaver/ifs -root
[10:48] <danko123456>  Applications > System Tools > Configuration Editor
[10:48] <dooglus> I have an external USB2 hard disk drive, but no USB2 ports.  So I bought a PCMCIA USB2 interface.  I plug the PCMCIA card into the laptop, and plug the hard drive into the card.  If I boot ubuntu with the card in, eth0 doesn't work.  eth0 works if I boot without the card, or if I boot with the card into Mandriva.  What gives?  How might I fix that?
[10:48] <danko123456>  /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop false
[10:48] <danko123456> do that, and it will work.
[10:48] <spinifex> I did that.  It didn't work
[10:48] <danko123456> you have to run the app as well.
[10:48] <spinifex> oh, run xearth?
[10:49] <Hatred> run xearth from a terminal window,
[10:49] <Hatred> Applications > System Tools > Configuration Editor
[10:49] <spinifex> ooooo
[10:49] <Hatred>  /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop false
[10:49] <spinifex> I see
[10:49] <Hatred> do that :p
[10:49] <Hatred> danko123456- xstarfish, xearth  and xgroach
[10:49] <danko123456> thanks,.
[10:49] <danko123456> :)
[10:50] <reisio> btw you guys
[10:50] <reisio> if you google "gnome xearth" I think there is information on making them play nice together
[10:51] <reisio> actually the first one I see says to do what we just did :p
[10:51] <reisio> so maybe it's more of a mystery than I thought
[10:52] <Hatred> hehe
[10:52] <reisio> I bet you can use the new Xorg transparency stuff to set the Nautilus desktop to be 100% transparent
[10:52] <malign-traps> No, only one client can grab the root window at once.
[10:52] <danko123456> how do you customize the xearth?
[10:52] <makkia> hello
[10:52] <reisio> malign-traps: the GNOME desktop isn't the root window
[10:52] <reisio> malign-traps: iirc
[10:52] <reisio> makkia: lo
[10:52] <malign-traps> Errr, I bet it is.
[10:53] <reisio> pretty sure it's on top
[10:53] <reisio> but it's academic
[10:53] <resiak> I'll bet that the icons sure as hell aren't on the root window.
[10:53] <makkia> is possible make automatic an installation of ubuntu and exectuing scripts during the installation ?
[10:53] <makkia> sorry my buggy english
[10:54] <Burgundavia> makkia, the Ubuntu installer supports kickstart
[10:54] <danko123456> try again, tho,. I didnt get the question.
[10:55] <deviant> can i write data on a NTFS partition ?
[10:55] <malign-traps> Yes.  From Linux, eh not so well.
[10:55] <mjr> short answer: no
[10:55] <mjr> long answer: yes, if you fiddle around with captive-ntfs or shell out bucks for a commercial ntfs implementation
[10:56] <malign-traps> deviant: It's really risky, using most implementations.  You'll fsck your data, eventually.
[10:56] <willis_> anyone able to do a remote install of the nvidia drivers ?
[10:56] <deviant> mjr: what do you think? is it safe if i use captiv-ntfs?
[10:57] <deviant> i have 100Gb partition, and i`m stuck with it :(
[10:57] <mjr> don't know personally; I've heard mixed reports about it
[10:57] <willis_> I need any good linux user to help me install the nvidia drivers ...
[10:59] <dooglus> malign-traps: I'm pretty sure that the gnome desktop isn't the X root window.
[10:59] <deviant> what was that command that compiles programs and does all the stuff by itself ?
[10:59] <willis_> any able to do a remote install of the nvidia drivers ?
[11:00] <malign-traps> dooglus, reisio:  You're right, according to xprop.
[11:00] <benkong2> willis_; I used this guide http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[11:00] <dooglus> malign-traps: I did some work on 'root-tail' a while back - that's a program that draws on the root window by default.  It didn't work in Gnome, for that very reason.
[11:01] <reisio> malign-traps: right about what?
[11:01] <reisio> oh the nautilus thing?
[11:01] <reisio> whatever :p
[11:02] <willis_> ill see if i can get it
[11:02] <benkong2> I installed LAMP and webmin...what is wrong that I get access denied and told to use https for webmin...https://localhost:10000 gets accessdenied also
[11:02] <dooglus> reisio: right about nautilus making its own 'root' window
[11:02] <makkia> Burgundavia: thanks !!
[11:02] <deviant> what was that command that compiles programs and does all the stuff by itself ?
[11:03] <benkong2> apt-get install???
[11:03] <reisio> lol
[11:03] <deviant> benkong2: lol. not that one :P
[11:03] <benkong2> deviant; k :-(
[11:03] <willis_> brb i hope
[11:04] <dooglus> deviant: do you mean "make"?
[11:04] <Burgundavia> makkia, np
[11:04] <deviant> benkong2: it compiles from the source cod, and does all the installation ..
[11:04] <deviant> dooglus: nop, is not make :(
[11:04] <malign-traps> G'night.
[11:04] <dooglus> deviant: or maybe "./configure"?
[11:04] <deviant> damn, i can`t remeber
[11:04] <benkong2> check dooglus
[11:04] <dooglus> deviant: what do you want to do?
[11:04] <novaflare> is there a way to install a rpm in ubuntu?
[11:04] <deviant> dooglus: basicaly, compile & install mplayer from source.
[11:04] <biovore> novaflare: yes
[11:04] <novaflare> how?
[11:04] <biovore> alien
[11:05] <dooglus> deviant: I would be surprised if the steps weren't: 1. ./configure   2. make
[11:05] <ogi_> so is it possible to get irssi working in ubuntu
[11:05] <biovore> its a package converter
[11:05] <reisio> ogi_: yes of course
[11:05] <novaflare> ok how to use it
[11:05] <biovore> apt-get install alien
[11:05] <novaflare> nvm prob on forums
[11:05] <biovore> then man alian
[11:05] <biovore> its fairly simple
[11:05] <dooglus> ogi_: just run "sudo apt-get install irssi", then run "irssi"
[11:05] <novaflare> o om isnt installed by default
[11:06] <biovore> not installed by default
[11:06] <deviant> dooglus: i saw it at this guy. he compiled and installed a dc++ client with one command. but in can`t remember which is it :P
[11:06] <biovore> but its in the package tree so just apt-get it..
[11:06] <Goonie> ok.. I need help choosing a good media player. Ubuntu is the only distro I have had problems with using mplayer
[11:06] <biovore> nother one... :-/
[11:06] <reisio> Goonie: fix mplayer
[11:06] <ogi_> dooglus, E: Package irssi has no installation candidate
[11:06] <deviant> Goonie: what kind of problems ?
[11:06] <dooglus> deviant: maybe there's some kind of apt-get magic that will download the source and compile it for you, I don't know (I'm new here)
[11:06] <biovore> everyone has problems with mplayer on here..
[11:07] <Goonie> deviant~ just crashes
[11:07] <biovore> I compiled it from source the deb sucks
[11:07] <benkong2> ok...I need some help when I type http://localhost/testphp.php in my firefox it asks to open with gedit. What did I do wrong?
[11:07] <biovore> apache isn't setup to handle php
[11:07] <abisen_> benkong2, install mod_php with apache
[11:07] <reisio> mplayer is an incredibly complex package
[11:07] <benkong2> also http://localhost gives me a directory listing instead of the default apache page
[11:07] <biovore> apt-get install libapache2-lib-php4 I belive
[11:07] <deviant> dooglus: i`m a newbie myself. the source were download before. he just enter in the dir, and typed that command :P
[11:07] <dooglus> ogi_: sorry, my bad.  "apt-install irssi-text"
[11:07] <reisio> I don't know how people can stand using binaries :p
[11:07] <novaflare> um can you give me a example on useing alient?
[11:08] <ogi_> thanks
[11:08] <benkong2> abisen; I used the forum how to and all is installed
[11:08] <dooglus> deviant: it was probably "make" that he typed then.  you generally have to "./configure" once - that looks around your system and sets things up based on where things are.  then "make" compiles everything.
[11:08] <deviant> Goonie: try to recompile. i have troubles with mplayer myself.
[11:08] <benkong2> I also have webmin installed and its looking for an https connection
[11:09] <dooglus> ogi_: you can find things for yourself.  on the 'system' menu, choose 'administration', then 'synaptic', then click 'search' and type 'irssi'.  you can install from there too
[11:09] <deviant> dooglus: hehe. i know how to compile a program. i`m not THAT newbie. i was just curious about that command.
[11:09] <deviant> ermm
[11:09] <NXTG_Jonathan> hello everybody, i have installed ndiswrapper and my dwl-g650+ driver, now what?
[11:10] <deviant> where can i find that bash history ?
[11:10] <ogi_> dooglus yes that's true
[11:10] <danko123456> NXTG_Jonathan: now read the rest of the wiki.
[11:11] <reisio> deviant: ~/.bash_history
[11:11] <apollo2011> Is it safe to format a swap partition in the ubuntu install if it is already a swap partition for suse?
[11:11] <deviant> reisio: aha, 10x :D
[11:11] <NXTG_Jonathan> i agree, but will it not be a problem that ubuntu has already found my wifi card?
[11:11] <NXTG_Jonathan> the reason i installed ndiswrapper is because the "link" led of my card is dead
[11:12] <NXTG_Jonathan> in winxp it is alive at boot
[11:12] <reisio> apollo2011: you don't format swap partitions
[11:12] <reisio> apollo2011: you just set them as swap and turn them on as swap
[11:14] <reisio> apollo2011: ie: an existing swap partition from another Linux install should work fine with most any other Linux
[11:14] <reisio> apollo2011: with no modification
[11:14] <reisio> as well as most unices
[11:15] <dooglus> what's the best way to add a new entry to the 'applications' menu?
[11:15] <reisio> dooglus: open nautilus, type "applications:///" into the location bar
[11:16] <dooglus> reisio: I'm not trying to be funny, but I've never run nautilus before.  Do you mean 'places -> home'?  If so, I don't see a location bar there.
[11:17] <reisio> dooglus: File Browser?
[11:17] <reisio> dooglus: y'know the thing that's like Windows Explorer?
[11:17] <deviant> yey
[11:18] <deviant> hey, guys, "scons" whas that command :D
[11:18] <dooglus> reisio: ok.  I mostly use the command line or Emacs for file browsing.
[11:18] <reisio> dooglus: just hit ALT+F2
[11:18] <reisio> dooglus: type in "nautilus"
[11:19] <dooglus> reisio: "applications:/// is not a valid location"
[11:19] <reisio> dooglus: you'll see a bar with "Location:" to the left
[11:19] <reisio> dooglus: applications:/// ?
[11:19] <dooglus> I see it - it's "Go To:".  but it doesn't like that path.
[11:19] <reisio> dooglus: Go To:? hrmmm
[11:19] <anto9us> dooglus: to enable the location bar in nautilus select Edit | Preferences | Behaviour | Always open in browser windows
[11:19] <dooglus> reisio: yes.
[11:19] <Fator_Dee> could it be case sensitive?
[11:19] <reisio> dooglus: is there a tree view on left?
[11:20] <Kleggas> is it possible to apt-get an older file from a repository than the newest?
[11:20] <dooglus> reisio: no.  there's a giant picture of a folder, with some information about it.
[11:20] <reisio> dooglus: that's what you got with ALT+F2 & "nautilus"?
[11:21] <dooglus> reisio: no.  that's what I get with Application->System Tools->File Browser
[11:21] <reisio> dooglus: hmmmff
[11:21] <dooglus> reisio: if I do ALT+F2 & nautilus I see a window which shows the contents on my home directory, but no location bar and nothing on the left at all.
[11:21] <reisio> dooglus: what version? (Help > About)
[11:22] <anto9us> Kleggas: I think this may help http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PinningHowto
[11:22] <dooglus> reisio: I can get the file browser to show a tree - I had to select 'tree' from the top of the left pane.  version 'nautilus 2.10.0'
[11:22] <reisio> dooglus: k
[11:22] <reisio> dooglus: and it says Go To: then an input bar, then like magnifying stuff?
[11:23] <Fator_Dee> dooglus: did you try Applications:/// ? (note the "A" instead of "a")
[11:23] <Kleggas> anto9us: thanx
[11:23] <anto9us> yw
[11:24] <tim-n00b> hi, i have installed wmcube, a dockapp displaying cpu load, it runs fine from the command line but has an ugly border around it. How can i remove the border?
[11:24] <dooglus> Fator_Dee: I hadn't, but I just did.  Interestingly I get the same error:  "applications:/// is not a valid location" (note the small 'a', even though I copy/pasted your address)
[11:24] <dooglus> lucky lucky scousers!  :)
[11:24] <Fator_Dee> dooglus: ok, interesting dilemma :-\
[11:24] <reisio> dooglus: hum, they must've changed some things between 2.8 & 2.10
[11:24] <reisio> dooglus: lemme query some gnome ppl
[11:24] <langela> hello
[11:25] <reisio> langela: lo
[11:25] <langela> someone here knows how can I configure my mysql driver for java?
[11:26] <Mahl> Hey is there an easy HTML maker for linux?? a WYSIWYG kind of?
[11:26] <dooglus> I installed the package 'nethack-gnome' - it's a game - but the icon to run it hasn't shown up in applications/games.  I wanted to add it manually, if possible.
[11:26] <jonathan_> someone who already knows if java is fully installed on ubuntu? for example, it is able to install LimeWire without any trouble?
[11:27] <anto9us> Mahl: tried openoffice?
[11:27] <K_Dallas> jonathan_, you could always install it and check it out
[11:27] <Mahl> Openoffice yeah...
[11:27] <K_Dallas> Mahl, quanta
[11:27] <Mahl> But im not good with HTML coding
[11:27] <Mahl> I used to be...forgot it
[11:27] <reisio> Mahl: nvu
[11:28] <reisio> http://nvu.com/
[11:28] <jonathan_> K_Dallas: if i could get my wifi working :(
[11:28] <K_Dallas> ok
[11:29] <K_Dallas> i am not running ubuntu right now but i think it was all right vis-a-vis java
[11:29] <jonathan_> K_Dallas: thx
[11:29] <mintee> has anyone used a qlogic HBA iscsi card?
[11:29] <Mahl> ok im gonna try NVU
[11:29] <jonathan_> Qt, always with a price?
[11:29] <reisio> Mahl: good idea
[11:29] <K_Dallas> nvu is pretty neat, not too complicated yet good
[11:29] <Mahl> Thanks :D
[11:29] <Mahl> Gonna build it from source...
[11:30] <reisio> Mahl: bully
[11:31] <Mahl> bully?
[11:31] <reisio> Mahl: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bully definition #2
[11:32] <McBain> Here's a quick question;  I just installed fluxbox with apt-get, but when I run it, '.xsession-errors' got filed with "file missing" type of errors.  Anyone knows where I should get those files or how to solve the problem ?
[11:32] <Mahl> Im not a bully *laughs*
[11:32] <reisio> Mahl: :p
[11:32] <reisio> Mahl: it means "great!" basically
[11:32] <Mahl> oh ok :p
[11:35] <reisio> dooglus: got it
[11:35] <dooglus> cool.  I haven't.  :)
[11:35] <reisio> dooglus: point your favorite text editor to /usr/share/applications
[11:35] <Spug> The GIMP segfaults every time it brings up the Save As dialog :/
[11:35] <reisio> dooglus: or find the package "smeg" a simple menu editor for GNOME
[11:35] <reisio> dooglus: no idea if it's available through apt
[11:36] <reisio> dooglus: http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[11:36] <dooglus> I don't think it's available through apt.
[11:37] <reisio> dooglus: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/latest/smeg.deb
[11:38] <Spug> The GIMP segfaults and exits whenever I bring up the Save As window... I get the following error in a terminal:
[11:38] <deviant> how the hell do i get rid of the mplayer, after i compiled a new one ?
[11:38] <Spug> (script-fu:24950): LibGimpBase-WARNING **: script-fu: wire_read(): error
[11:38] <Spug> Segmentation fault
[11:38] <reisio> deviant: I assume there is some opposite of apt-get install
[11:38] <reisio> deviant: read man pages
[11:38] <deviant> reisio: yeah, apt-get remove :P
[11:38] <Spug> sudo apt-get remove --purge mplayer
[11:39] <Spug> ?
[11:39] <Fator_Dee> reisio: I think he didn't apt-get it
[11:39] <deviant> reisio: but what to revove ?
[11:39] <Troy_> hey guys
[11:39] <Fator_Dee> or did he?
[11:39] <Troy_> I need help getting ubuntu to see my usb hdd
[11:39] <deviant> Spug: ok, let me try it :P
[11:39] <Troy_> I plugged it in, but nothing...
[11:39] <reisio> deviant: heh, would've been easier if you removed _then_ compiled new
[11:39] <Troy_> :(
[11:39] <dooglus> reisio: thanks a lot.  it looks like I just need to copy an existing .desktop file from /usr/share/applications and edit it to fit...
[11:39] <admrl> will spca5xx work on the the kernel 2.6.11
[11:39] <reisio> dooglus: ya sorry, they changed a lot between 2.8 & 2.10
[11:39] <admrl> does anyone know..?
[11:40] <dooglus> reisio: why would you be running 2.8?  doesn't the update system keep you up to date with the current apt version?
[11:40] <deviant> Spug: Package mplayer is not installed, so not removed
[11:40] <deviant>  :D
[11:40] <Spug> :o
[11:40] <Spug> Did you apt-get it?
[11:40] <deviant> Spug: yeah, i think so ...
[11:41] <toran> hey guys, I'm having some stablity problem with my netgear prism-based wireless card.
[11:41] <toran> It worked out of the box, but..
[11:41] <reisio> dooglus: I'm using Gentoo - 2.10 is still 'unstable'
[11:41] <Spug> Does anyone know of a graphics program I can paste a picture into and save, since GIMP segfaults?
[11:41] <Spug> deviant: Oh, hmm, it's probably called mplayer-386
[11:41] <toran> whenever I transfer over the network at a high speed (maybe.. above 200k/sec) it eventually locks up
[11:41] <toran> I see in dmesg "Error -6 transmitting packet"
[11:41] <reisio> dooglus: I could still install it, but I don't really have any reason to - I can wait
[11:41] <toran> or something like that
[11:41] <toran> does anyone know of some alternative drivers I could use?
[11:42] <Spug> deviant, if you installed the 386 version of mplayer: sudo apt-get remove --purge mplayer-386
[11:42] <toran> I have a netgear ma311 802.11b wireless card, it's prism based
[11:42] <dooglus> reisio: oh, I see.  I tried to install gentoo before I installed ubuntu yesterday, but the kernel kept 'panic'ing when I tried to boot it, so I gave up and tried ubuntu instead.
[11:42] <Troy_> can anyone help with the usb hdd issue? Also, I would like to know of any apps for mp3 playback. Did not like amarok, xmms, juk or rhythmbox
[11:42] <dooglus> Troy_: mplayer?
[11:42] <poningru> hi guys got a prob
[11:43] <Spug> Does anyone know of a graphics program I can paste a picture into and save, since GIMP segfaults?
[11:43] <reisio> toran: you'll want to get GIMP fixed, but there is cinepaint
[11:43] <deviant> Troy_: try beep-media-player :)
[11:43] <Troy_> i will try it... I am a musicmatch user from windoze days, and I would like to have something like that...
[11:43] <dooglus> Troy_: you can put 'quiet=yes' in ~/.mplayer/config and then it's a great mp3 player - just plays tunes without any annoying output.
[11:43] <reisio> toran: which is a fork of GIMP
[11:43] <K_Dallas> Troy_, why did you not like those ones? mplayer is mostly a command line thingie
[11:43] <toran> reisio: I think you want to talk to Spug
[11:43] <K_Dallas> dooglus, what does quiet do?
[11:43] <reisio> toran: ah, heheh
[11:43] <dooglus> K_Dallas: it stops it printing stuff while it plays
[11:43] <poningru> hey guys I have a prob
[11:44] <Troy_> Well, I was big on the way that MMJB worked. I liked having the library right there, with tracks easy to get to. I use it to DJ with
[11:44] <K_Dallas> so can i run it like mplayer *mp3 &
[11:44] <Spug> reisio: Well, if you want to help me get GIMP fixed... ;) But okay, I'll check out cinepaint
[11:44] <poningru> the prob is that when I tried to ssh into a server
[11:44] <K_Dallas> Troy_, i think mplayer would not be your friend then
[11:44] <reisio> Spug: you just need to save a picture?
[11:44] <K_Dallas> but i might be wrong ;)
[11:44] <reisio> Spug: can't you right-click and download?
[11:44] <poningru> there was a prompt saying this has this key and do you want to connect?
[11:44] <toran> hmm... would the linux-wlan-ng drivers work with my PCI-based card?
[11:44] <poningru> well here here is the whole thing
[11:44] <poningru> The authenticity of host 'plaza.ufl.edu (<IP_ADDRESS>)' can't be established.
[11:44] <poningru> RSA1 key fingerprint is xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx.
[11:44] <poningru> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? y
[11:44] <poningru> Please type 'yes' or 'no': yes
[11:44] <poningru> Warning: Permanently added 'plaza.ufl.edu,<IP_ADDRESS>' (RSA1) to the list of known hosts.
[11:44] <Spug> reisio: I have to crop it and resize it first
[11:44] <toran> orinoco works, but it locks my computer up sometimes and is driving me insane
[11:44] <Spug> So I just need a simple program
[11:45] <poningru> how do I remove the thing from list of known hosts
[11:45] <Fator_Dee> poningru: I think it's in ~/.ssh/known_hosts
[11:45] <poningru> ok thanks dude
[11:46] <toran> hmm... would the linux-wlan-ng drivers work with my PCI-based card?
[11:46] <poningru> let me go check
[11:46] <reisio> Spug: kpaint, tuxpaint, xpaint, gpaint, killustrator, graphtool
[11:46] <reisio> Spug: one of those
[11:46] <Spug> Thanks :)
[11:46] <Seveas> toran, linux-wlan-ng is for prism chips
[11:46] <reisio> Spug: kpaint looks like it needs Qt stuff, so you might skip that one :p
[11:46] <poningru> yep thats it
[11:46] <Spug> Yeah, OK :)
[11:46] <toran> Seveas: yeah, mine's prism
[11:46] <poningru> thanks Fator_Dee
[11:46] <Spug> I kinda figured from the K
[11:46] <reisio> unless you have/like qt
[11:46] <Fator_Dee> np
[11:46] <Seveas> then it might work
[11:46] <reisio> Spug: :p
[11:46] <toran> Seveas: is it not as good as orinoco? why is one used over the other, by default?
[11:47] <Seveas> toran, no idea actually...
[11:47] <toran> thanks :)
[11:47] <Spug> deviant: Did you manage to remove it?
[11:48] <willis_> whats the command to install a run file
[11:48] <deviant> Spug: yeah
[11:48] <caonex> I am trying to use automounter (autofs) and whenever I try to access 3 of the resources, I get the file not found error. However, two of the actually work, and they are fat32 partitions. The others are ntfs, is there a problem with ntfs and autofs?
[11:48] <Spug> OK, great
[11:48] <willis_> trying to install enemy terratory on linux ... "a run file type"
[11:48] <Seveas> willis_, what do you mean?
[11:48] <Seveas> ah
[11:49] <Seveas> willis_, sh filename will usually do
[11:49] <willis_> etf_1.3-english.run
[11:49] <willis_> thank you
[11:49] <shadeofgrey> does anybody know of a channel dedicated to openoffice use?
[11:49] <mintee> has anyone used a qlogic HBA iscsi card?
[11:50] <Fator_Dee> shadeofgrey: #openoffice in this server?
[11:50] <shadeofgrey> i tried that
[11:50] <Fator_Dee> ok
[11:50] <shadeofgrey> it didnt have anybody in it, and doesnt seem to be a regidstered channel
[11:50] <Seveas> #ooo ?
[11:50] <willis_> anyone know where to get enemy teratory full virision ... without a membership or signup ?
[11:50] <Seveas> or #openoffice.org
[11:51] <Seveas> willis_, we do NOT support copyright infringmrnt in here
[11:51] <Fator_Dee> Seveas: it's free?
[11:51] <willis_> et is free
[11:51] <Fator_Dee> as in, you don't have to pay for it
[11:51] <willis_> enemy terratory is free .. no pay at all ..
[11:51] <darkaudit> Seveas: Enemy Territory is free
[11:51] <Fator_Dee> http://www.mrbass.org/enemyterritory/
[11:51] <Seveas> well, if it is free only if you signup, getting one without signing up is copyright infringment
[11:52] <Fator_Dee> is that so?
[11:52] <Seveas> absolutely
[11:52] <willis_> all the stupid download site want you to sign up or join ...
[11:52] <Fator_Dee> but you can get it without signing up so...
[11:52] <Fator_Dee> it's free, no copyright infringing involved
[11:52] <darkaudit> Seveas: sign up for what? AFAIK there isn't anything to sign up for
[11:52] <Fator_Dee> there's a bittorrent tracker by the developers also, so...
[11:52] <Seveas>  Fator_Dee if you can get it from an official source without signing up, then forget what i said. willis_ gave me the impression that signing up was needed
[11:53] <willis_> thats why i ask for the link ... and thank you for it ..
[11:53] <naderman> anybody knows a nice gui for cvs?
[11:53] <Fator_Dee> Seveas: it's available on sites such as gamespy.com and the likes
[11:53] <willis_> just the gamespy network .. if you want to download from them .. file shack same way
[11:53] <naderman> (I didn't like lincvs and gcvs)
[11:54] <Fator_Dee> Seveas: and I meant to add that you have to sign up to those sites :-)
[11:54] <willis_> like ubuntu say ... best software if free ... ;)
[11:54] <Fator_Dee> http://zerowing.idsoftware.com:6969/ there's idsoftware's tracker
[11:54] <K_Dallas> willis_, that is not true on all occasions but for many of the tools we use on a daily basis, i would say yes
[11:55] <mdipi> Hey guys, I have an install question, anyone think they can help?
[11:55] <anto9us> mdipi: it all depends on your question :)
[11:55] <K_Dallas> ;)
[11:56] <Seveas> mdipi, read the topic: just ask
[11:56] <Anubis> Seveas, no one EVER reads the Topic you know that;)
[11:56] <mdipi> whoops, sorry. Is it possible to install Ubuntu to a FW drive? if so how can i select that partition from the install?
[11:56] <Seveas> Anubis, sad but teue
[11:57] <Troy_> guys... beep looks to be little more than a skin for xmms/winamp
[11:57] <anto9us> mdipi: I imagine so but I guess your /boot wouldn't be able to reside on it
[11:58] <Anubis> Troy_, exactly
[11:58] <Troy_> ouch
[11:58] <Fator_Dee> Troy_: I think it's completely a new build with a same look
[11:58] <Anubis> Troy_, IMO not as good either
[11:58] <Troy_> is there anything in linux that is more like MusicMatch? I need easier access to the mp3 files that I use, and I want to get away from M$
[11:58] <mdipi> Hm, darnit, i was hoping to be able to boot off of it too
[11:58] <Fator_Dee> have you tried rhythmbox already?
[11:59] <Anubis> Troy_, IMO not as good either
[11:59] <naderman> nobody got an idea on a nice gui client for cvs? :(
[11:59] <anto9us> mdipi: I'm a lightweight helper, I could be wrong :)
[11:59] <Anubis> Troy_, Rythmbox in Gnome
[11:59] <Troy_> not as good as xmms?
[11:59] <Anubis> Troy_, Amaroth in KDE
[11:59] <mdipi> It's more help than i've found so far :-D
[11:59] <Troy_> I tried rhythmbox, but Im not too keen on how it lists the library... maybe i am asking too much
[11:59] <dooglus> whoever was asking, the enemy territory site accepts<EMAIL_ADDRESS>email addresses, so you don't need to register your real email address
[11:59] <willis_> i hated seeing loki go out of business
[11:59] <Anubis> Troy_, install em all and chose yourself
[12:00] <Troy_> is amaroth amarok for kde