[03:40] <TheCheggs> howdy!
[04:26] <lortech> getting alot of : Failed 404 when doing a apt-get update         fetch http://id.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/universe/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[04:27] <lortech> what command to update the respositories list
[04:28] <Unit193> You may want to switch repo locations, open synaptic and check the preferences for local server or close.
[04:33] <lortech> okay
[04:37] <lortech> tryed using the US server, getting 404s
[04:37] <lortech> Care for me to show what I have herE?
[04:37] <lortech> which sites are a issue?
[04:38] <lortech> or does some one know of a site that does not have broken links?
[04:42] <Unit193> Can you pastebin(.com) your sources.list? /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:43] <Unit193> (I just ran it without issues, to test(
[04:44] <lortech> for some reason, My hard drive space is eaten up.
[04:44] <lortech> may have to rm -a asterisk
[04:45] <lortech> or figure which app is taking up the most hard drive space. not sure if there is a quick command to do this
[04:50] <lortech> might as well download ubuntu seems more activitiy on the ubuntu channel
[04:51] <bioterror> Unit193, you are too slow
[04:51] <bioterror> look what you did
[04:51] <bioterror> shame on you!
[04:51] <Unit193> bioterror: I'm watching Dead Silence, of course I am.
[05:49] <mi3> HELLO
[05:50] <Unit193> Howdy.
[05:51] <mi3> whats new...
[05:51] <mi3> :D
[06:00] <windbuntu> new: unscathed, pristine, still in the wrapper.
[06:02] <mi3> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=60122&d=1203437427
[06:07] <not_found> mi3, if found on the forum it would be removed as it is against the CoC...
[06:07] <mi3> remove what ??
[06:08] <not_found> the attachment you posted... the wallpaper is against the forum CoC...
[06:08] <mi3> err sorry!!
[06:08] <not_found> np... just saying :p
[06:08] <mi3> I wont post it anywhere....
[06:08] <mi3> :(
[10:25] <zydingxiaomei> who can tell me chinese lubuntu room ,thank you.
[10:25] <bioterror> !ch
[10:25] <bioterror> d'oh
[10:25] <bioterror> !cn
[10:26] <bioterror> probably they can assist you somehow, we can only in english
[11:00] <leszek> hi
[13:12] <morri> hi, where do I find the the default desktop picture?
[13:13] <morri> I like the design so far apart from the bigger arrows at drop down boxes and menu, but meh- apart from that it is sweet :)
[13:13] <leszek> I think it is in /usr/share/images
[13:13] <leszek> or /usr/share/lubuntu
[13:13] <leszek> search somewhere there
[13:14] <leszek> I don't have lubuntu running currently
[13:14] <morri> oh noted that the new kernel doesnt work with older versions of ndsiwrapper btw
[13:16] <morri> okay found it :) thanks
[13:24] <mi3> hi
[17:34] <lman> just wondering how i remove the default "workgroup" directory from appearing in the network browse
[17:41] <lman> just wondering how i remove the default "workgroup" directory from appearing in the network browse
[17:44] <holstein> lman: hey.. no need to repost
[17:44] <holstein> pretty sure you just right-click and say delete.. if that doesnt work, you'll just need to be patient, or try #ubuntu where maybe someone is using the same filemanger you are using :)
[19:39] <lman> anyone familiar with sylpheed
[19:44] <wxl> !ask lman
[19:45] <wxl> oops
[19:45] <wxl> !ask
[19:45] <wxl> i.e. what's your question re: sylpheed, lman?
[19:46] <Unit193> wxl: Let me give you a |
[19:46] <wxl> ah duh
[19:46] <wxl> !ask | lman
[19:46] <wxl> ;)
[20:22] <bolosaur> Hi, I'm a first time lubuntu user and somewhat new to Linux as well. I'm trying to install some VM drivers on it
[20:23] <bolosaur> and I'm almost done, but it's asking me "what is the location of the gcc program on your machine?"
[20:23] <bolosaur> and i have no idea what to put
[20:23] <bolosaur> i tried typing "which gcc" and it gives me nothing
[20:23] <bolosaur> anything i can do to resolve this?
[20:24] <wxl> bolosaur: whereis gcc
[20:24] <wxl> should be /usr/bin/gcc
[20:24] <bolosaur> it says its not a valid path to the gcc binary, evne though whereis gcc tells me so :(
[20:25] <bolosaur> I literally wrote "/usr/bin/gcc" as the path
[20:25] <bolosaur> sans quotes
[20:25] <wxl> try /usr/bin/
[20:25] <bolosaur> same thing
[20:25] <bolosaur> also tried /usr/bin/gcc/ :/
[20:25] <wxl> maybe just /usr/bin
[20:26] <wxl> what vm is this?
[20:26] <bolosaur> VMware Fusion
[20:26] <bolosaur> I've managed to install these drivers on both ubuntu and mint before
[20:26] <bolosaur> so i expected it to work on lubuntu as well
[20:26] <wxl> no experience
[20:26] <bolosaur> Dang.
[20:26] <bolosaur> Alright, well thanks for taking the time.
[20:26] <wxl> i'd use virtualbox
[20:26] <wxl> did you do whereis gcc?
[20:26] <wxl> maybe you don't have gcc installed
[20:27] <wxl> seems strange
[20:27] <bolosaur> Well, I'm already running VMware Fusion for several other things, so I'd like to keep my virtualization flora under one app
[20:27] <bolosaur> And yeah I did wheres gcc
[20:27] <bolosaur> and it gave me the path you told me
[20:27] <bolosaur> but perhaps its only partially installed somehow? or maybe outdated?
[20:27] <wxl> you could update it for sure although that seems strange
[20:28] <bolosaur> apt-get update gcc?
[20:28] <wxl> http://communities.vmware.com/message/1883496
[20:30] <bolosaur> What's libglib?
[20:30] <bolosaur> Is this something I should install?
[20:31] <wxl> !info libglib2.0-0
[20:31] <bolosaur> Sorry if that's a dumb question but I'm not very experienced with this.
[20:31] <bolosaur> should i specify the verison number? or is there a way to fetch the latest
[20:31] <wxl> that will fetch the latest
[20:31] <bolosaur> ok
[20:32] <wxl> ubuntu, mint, lubuntu all use the same package management
[20:32] <bolosaur> it says libglib2.0-0 is already the latest version
[20:32] <bolosaur> :/
[20:32] <wxl> if you've done it there, it's the same as doing it here
[20:32] <wxl> did you update before ?
[20:32] <bolosaur> 0 to upgrade, 0 to install and 53 to skip
[20:32] <bolosaur> nope, i just installed the OS
[20:32] <wxl> well you wont' get the latest if you don't update :)
[20:33] <bolosaur> Well, what I mean is, I just did sudo apt-get update libglib2.0-0
[20:33] <bolosaur> and it told me its already up to date
[20:33] <wxl> sudo apt-get update
[20:34] <wxl> first
[20:34] <bolosaur> alright
[20:34] <wxl> then you can do sudo apt-get install libglib2.0-0
[20:34] <wxl> i'd also do the same with gcc
[20:36] <bolosaur> ok
[20:36] <bolosaur> one sec
[20:38] <wxl> you can see gcc-4.7 gets installed http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/gcc
[20:38] <wxl> /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink to it
[20:40] <wxl> honestly tho i think this is a vmware problem
[20:40] <wxl> bbl
[20:42] <wxl> oh there is a #vmware channel
[20:42] <wxl> ok gone for real
[20:47] <bolosaur> wxl: I got all the available updates
[20:47] <bolosaur> now im trying again
[20:49] <bolosaur> damn
[20:49] <bolosaur> its still complaining about gcc, wxl :/
[20:49] <bolosaur> but thanks for the help
[20:50] <Unit193> Did you try #vmware? You could also try #ubuntu, though it's quite busy. (Never used vmware myself, so no good)
[21:24] <bolosaur> Alright, I managed to get it sorted with a different VM package.
[21:24] <bolosaur> Thanks for the help guys, and especially wxl.
[21:25] <Unit193> Glad you got it then!
[21:26] <bolosaur> Indeed. Cheers!
[21:41] <gnufun> Hello.  I am having trouble getting my Flash player to work.  I keep seeing "Missing Plugins" where flash content is supposed to be.  I have tried purging and reinstalling lubuntu-restricted-extras, installing flash-player-nonfree.  I even purged those and tried gnash, and got the same result.  I then installed Firefox and used the Flash extention that is supposed to retrieve the latest version for you, all with the same result:
[22:18] <Multbrelch> gnufun, u mean u tried also: sudo apt-get update
[22:18] <Multbrelch> sudo apt-get clean
[22:18] <Multbrelch> sudo apt-get purge flashplugin-*
[22:18] <Multbrelch> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[22:18] <Multbrelch> ?
[22:20] <Multbrelch> gnufun: What you can try for Mozilla is to copy libflashplayer.so into ~/.mozilla/plugins
[22:21] <Multbrelch> I had to this under ubuntu, when I had 10.10.
[22:23] <Multbrelch> Anyway ... good luck
[22:24] <Multbrelch> sry, need to sleep. To go further on, just google this libflashplayer.so, you find many hints and tricks ...
[22:26] <gnufun> Multbrelch: Hello.  Thank you for the reply.  Somehow I don't have that directory.  I only have firefox and extentions
[22:27] <gnufun> If I go to about:plugins in chromium, there are three flash copies (Probably from all of the tinkering I have been doing)
[22:27] <gnufun> whoops
[22:27] <Multbrelch> hmmm
[22:27] <gnufun> that wasn't supposed to be a face
[22:28] <Multbrelch> I would de-install all flash..whatever and restart.
[22:28] <Multbrelch> restart=re-install flash manually ... there are many infos in the net
[22:28] <Multbrelch> keyword: libflashplayer.so
[22:29] <Multbrelch> libflashplayer.so <= you get it from Adobe (I think)
[22:29] <gnufun> how can I clean up that chromium plugins folder?  I have been looking for that location so I can delete everything from it
[22:30] <apusateri> /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins
[22:30] <gnufun> When you say de install all flash, are you thinking: sudo apt-get purge lubuntu-restricted-extras flashplugin-installer
[22:31] <Multbrelch> for instance ... but read before in the internet
[22:31] <Multbrelch> btw: you get the file from here: http://get.adobe.com/de/flashplayer/
[22:32] <gnufun> Multbrelch: All of the tutorials teach you how to do this for FF.  I haven't been able to locate the plugin directory for Chromium
[22:32] <apusateri> /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins
[22:32] <apusateri> that's the plugin directory for chromium
[22:32] <Multbrelch> Ah, chromium ... I donno, I only know it for Mozilla
[22:32] <gnufun> ahh thank you for that
[22:32] <Multbrelch> ^^
[22:33] <Multbrelch> okay, need to go ... good luck
[22:33] <gnufun> libflashplayer.so is listed in /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins
[22:33] <gnufun> Ok, thank you
[22:34] <apusateri> you're trying to remove flash player?
[22:34] <gnufun> apusateri: Hello.  I am trying to get it to work.  I always see:  "Missing Plugin" wherever flash content should be
[22:35] <gnufun> I have purged and reinstalled lubuntu-restricted-extras and flashplugin-installer
[22:36] <Unit193> I always recommend adobe-flashplugin as it seems to work better.
[22:36] <Unit193> From the !partner repo  that is.
[22:36] <apusateri> that's strange - i'm running a stock install of chromium os and flash is working without issue
[22:36] <apusateri> not chromium os, chromium browser, durr
[22:37] <gnufun> apusateri: Yes, it is strange, because I installed it on a netbook last week and everything worked perfectly
[22:37] <apusateri> FYI my plugins directory is empty
[22:38] <apusateri> have you tried uninstalling/reinstalling chromium, just out of curiosity?
[22:38] <gnufun> I have not tried that, but I did install FF, and I couldn't get Flash to work in that either
[22:40] <apusateri> does this file exist on your system?
[22:40] <apusateri> /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
[22:40] <gnufun> Yes
[22:41] <apusateri> hmm - that's the only libflashplayer.so file that I have on my system
[22:42] <apusateri> can you go to chrome://plugins/ in your browser?
[22:43] <gnufun> Yes, there are now 3 files listed under Flash
[22:43] <apusateri> Here's the one that I have:
[22:43] <apusateri> Flash - Version: 11.2 r202 Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202
[22:44] <gnufun> Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202
[22:44] <apusateri> all three say that?
[22:44] <gnufun> Yes
[22:44] <apusateri> how about a $locate libflashplayer.so
[22:45] <apusateri> to find out where the other ones are hiding?
[22:45] <gnufun> /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[22:46] <apusateri> i thought you had one here?  /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
[22:47] <gnufun> steven@ach-chiro-1:/usr/lib/flashplugin-installer$ ls
[22:47] <gnufun> install_plugin  libflashplayer.so
[22:47] <gnufun> I know we aren't supposed to do that
[22:47] <gnufun> sorry
[22:48] <apusateri> meh, no worries
[22:48] <apusateri> i assume you've tried disabling the plugins on the chrome://plugins/ page?
[22:48] <gnufun> But yes, it is strange that it is listed there, but didn't show up in the $locate commandc
[22:48] <apusateri> yeah that's weird for sure
[22:49] <gnufun> I could disable them.  Which one should be enabled?  The top one?
[22:49] <apusateri> yeah just leave one of them enabled, shouldn't matter which
[22:53] <Farrell_> hi
[22:53] <Farrell_> i have a problem
[22:53] <Farrell_> i cant choice size of partition
[22:53] <Farrell_> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B4elpabxpZWZUTRWei1KNEN4VW8 https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B4elpabxpZWZbWRoM1N1cjlLWkE https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B4elpabxpZWZTnY2Zjg3ZFZKZFE
[22:53] <gnufun> I think we are getting somewhere, because now it asks me for permission to run the plugin.  I clicked enable, but it doesn't play
[22:54] <apusateri> okay now check your chrome://plugins/ again and see if there is more than one enabled?
[22:55] <gnufun> just one is enabled.  That is good.
[22:56] <apusateri> wish i knew how to repro the problem so i could mess around with it here, lol
[22:56] <apusateri> try enabling the second one and disabling the first, and trying flash again?  just to see if one of the plugins is behaving badly?
[22:59] <n1ckn4me09876543> where will i find System Icon Theme   location path?  I can change the icons from Applications menu fine, but I'm trying to change icon from a program- Cairo Dock and it ask me for icon path and idk
[22:59] <gnufun> I get similar behavior.
[23:00] <apusateri> n1ck: n1ckn4me09876543
[23:00] <apusateri> err
[23:00] <apusateri> /usr/share/icons
[23:00] <apusateri> n1ckn4me09876543: that's where the icons are
[23:00] <n1ckn4me09876543> apusateri: thank you
[23:01] <apusateri> gnufun: I'm running out of ideas... might just be easier to re-install chromium browser, see if that fixes it?
[23:01] <apusateri> n1ckn4me09876543: no prob
[23:02] <gnufun> apusateri: Ok, thank you for the suggestions.  I will try that


[05:37] <PerfM> Is that rule about me waiting 3 months to become an oper still going on?
[05:38] <pangolin> hah
[05:38] <pangolin> You are something.
[05:40] <PerfM> :)
[05:44] <pangolin> it wasn't a rule, it was a deal I was willing to make with you but did not include you becoming an op after 3 months
[05:44] <PerfM> what was the deal for then?
[05:45] <PerfM> that I would "behave and you would unban me from all ubuntu channels"?
[05:45] <pangolin> iirc it was you not coming here for 3 months and then we would consider removing the ban in #ubuntu where you could then start working towards becoming an op.
[05:45] <PerfM> Oh, snap.  :P
[05:49] <PerfM> pangolin, will you talk to me in #defocus if I ping you?
[05:49] <pangolin> I'll try to acknowledge you, yes.
[05:50] <PerfM> fair nuff, I suppose
[05:51] <PerfM> ^_^
[11:26] <Gskellig> lisa_ in #ubuntu pm'd me a sex advertisement as soon as I entered #ubuntu, thought you guys might want to know
[11:26] <ikonia> delt with
[11:26] <Gskellig> =D
[13:23] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu kittybunny many many warnings about language/topic - final warning given, ban on next deviation
[20:42] <Myrtti> is #ubuntu+1 active and running?
[20:49] <Tm_T> running yes, no not very active
[20:49] <pangolin> has been yes
[20:49] <pangolin> it didn't get locked down this time around.
[20:52] <Tm_T> apparently there were no harm on letting it open either
[20:52] <Tm_T> atleast I haven't heard anyone complaining it (:
[20:53] <pangolin> we had a few people asking for oneiric support after release but very little
[20:53] <pangolin> this cycle has been quiet so far, still early though.
[20:59] <Myrtti> aking1012 was asking abt 1204
[21:15] <Myrtti> !pangolin
[21:16] <Myrtti> should that be changed then to reflect the channel?
[21:26] <Tm_T> yes please (:


[17:32] <scott-work> persia: TheMuso jussi : i am going to UDS this year, i hope to see you there
[17:32]  * scott-work is adding you to a list of people i want to make sure i meet
[18:14] <jussi> scott-work: sorry, wont be there :(
[18:46] <falktx> btw, where is the UDS hosted?
[18:46] <falktx> united states?
[19:13] <jussi> falktx: In Florida this time
[19:13] <scott-work> falktx: i think it alternates, one in the us, the next in europe
[19:13] <jussi> scott-work: nah, the next will also be in the states afaik (accordign to some rumours)
[19:14] <scott-work> oh, interesting
[19:14] <scott-work> i wonder if it will be dallas again, that's three hours from me
[19:14] <falktx> too far away for me
[19:14] <falktx> scott-work: jussi: does ubuntu sponsors the travellers?
[19:14] <jussi> falktx: many of them
[19:15] <jussi> Ive been sponsored 4 times...
[19:15] <falktx> really?
[19:15] <falktx> wow, I would love that
[19:15] <jussi> falktx: really really
[19:15] <scott-work> i'm still curious who nominated me for sponsorship
[19:15] <falktx> but I don't think I'm that important to ubuntu...
[19:16] <jussi> falktx: I suggest you contribute lots, and explain what you have done and want to do on the sponsor ship form
[19:16] <jussi> scott-work: you get auto nominated because you are leader of an official derivative iirc
[19:17] <scott-work> oh, that's kinda disappointing then, i wanted to think someone secretly nominated me ;)
[19:17] <jussi> hehe
[19:18] <falktx> found the page
[19:18] <falktx> http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/sponsorship/
[19:20] <jussi> ;)
[19:21] <falktx> "We are not currently accepting sponsorship applications for uds-p in Orlando, FL, USA. Please check back again later!"
[19:21] <falktx> :(
[19:24] <jussi> falktx: yeah, sponsorship for this one is all done and set
[19:24] <jussi> toull have to wait for the next one.
[19:24] <falktx> I'll try my best to get into LAC this year though
[19:24] <falktx> err, 2012 I mean
[20:09] <knome> anybody know the email for scott?
[20:16] <knome> or, maybe i should just wait him to get back to irc.
[20:40] <scott-work> eh, webchat.freenode.net dropped me
[20:41] <knome> hey scott-work
[20:41] <scott-work> for what it is worth, here is the link for ubuntu studio 11.10 download:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/oneiric/release/
[20:41] <scott-work> hi knome  :)
[20:41] <scott-work> how are you doing?
[20:41] <knome> fine, but a bit busy with work :)
[20:41] <knome> did you see the new tab-style?
[20:41] <scott-work> aye, i understand about work :9
[20:41] <scott-work> :(
[20:41] <knome> should get a bit better soon
[20:42] <scott-work> i remember it, but would appreciate a link again if you have i handy
[20:42] <knome> just a sec
[20:42] <scott-work> oh, i'm starting to see the light at the end of this tunnel
[20:42] <scott-work> of course it could just be a train ;)
[20:42] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/ubuntustudio/www/
[20:42] <knome> hehe
[20:43] <scott-work> hey, that looks really good :)
[20:43] <knome> good to herar
[20:43] <knome> hear
[20:43] <knome> is that something you were after when you said something about preserving space?
[20:44] <scott-work> yes it is, much better than before :)
[20:44] <knome> good
[20:44] <knome> it's also much better extend-wise
[20:44] <knome> it's easy to add new tabs
[20:45] <knome> and all the tabs can have unique bg img/color as you can see in the example
[20:45] <knome> (and that's quite easy too)
[20:45] <scott-work> i noticed that
[20:45] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/ubuntustudio/www/inc/img/featured-studio.png
[20:46] <knome> that's the fullsize
[20:46] <knome> a part of the image gets hidden if the window isn't wde enough
[20:46] <knome> as you can see, i left some space for artwork in the tab-space too
[20:47] <knome> so you can integrate eg. application screenshots in the bg images
[20:48] <knome> (or, we can just print them to fg too if you like them to link somewhere)
[20:48] <knome> was there something else specific you wanted to have a chat about? :)
[20:48] <knome> or just generally the progress
[20:50] <scott-work> did you make that image?  that's pretty good looking
[20:50] <knome> i did
[20:50] <knome> thanks
[20:51] <knome> i can create something like that for all the tab while we are a bit closer to publishing stuff :)
[20:52] <knome> sorry for the missing letters, typing on eeepc is not always so easy ;)
[20:52] <knome> (trying to learn that once again)
[20:55] <scott-work> lols
[20:56] <knome> meh
[20:56]  * knome forces a terminal-irc icon to be pushed in the next xubuntu release
[21:11] <knome> okay, i'm going to bed
[21:12] <knome> i'll try to be available for some FOSS stuff at 9am-noon UTC tomorrow, if you happen to be online then :)
[21:12] <knome> see you later!
[21:13] <scott-work> knome: yes, i should be here then
[21:13] <scott-work> good night
[21:15] <scott-work> thank  you dtchen :)
[23:09] <falktx> question
[23:10] <falktx> is a US live-dvd ISO much important?
[23:10] <falktx> "UbuntuStudio - KXStudio Remix" - that is


[16:56] <FyshY> i have a 10yrd computer and need a linux distro that will work well with its epuiptment and suggestions ?
[17:00] <thorwil> FyshY: strange place to ask. but of the ubuntu flavors, xubuntu is meant to be light-weight, good for old hardware
[19:20] <toros> hi
[19:26] <qense> hello
[19:30] <toros> Ubuntu-wanted starts in 30 minutes? :)
[19:32] <qense> yes
[19:32] <toros> great \o/ - Some months ago we (hungarian loco) wanted to create a feature on our loco site similar to ubuntu-wanted...
[19:33] <toros> but we never made it
[19:34] <qense> I had thoughts for adding localisation features to Ubuntu Wanted, but I never really wrote something down, especially because of a lack of time.
[19:35] <qense> When we've got something up and running you could always set up a local instance, but we'd have to implement translation support first, although the t() function is already called most of the times.
[19:39] <toros> qense: localisation would be a nice feature later, but now I'm happy that ubuntu-wanted exists
[19:39] <toros> will be there some official announce?
[19:41] <qense> What about? The existance of UW or it's deployment?
[19:42] <qense> I'm not even sure if we'll get a subdomain, maybe it's just going to be a community project, independent from Ubuntu/Canonical's main websites.
[19:43] <toros> about the existance of UW... I would write about it on our LoCo site
[19:45] <qense> It has already been announced and I'm already working on it.
[19:45] <qense> It's just that since I'm the only developer, the development is slow.
[19:46] <qense> I do write reasonable regulary about it on my blog and new revisions in my development branch get published to Identi.ca
[19:47] <toros> and what's the actual url? still this? http://ubuntu-wanted-devel.ideatorrent.org/
[19:47] <qense> the project page is at https://launchpad.net/ubuntuwated
[19:48] <qense> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-wanted actually
[19:48] <qense> I've created some blueprints so people can see what roughly needs to eb done.
[19:49] <qense> the site at ideatorrent.org is the stable branch being apached
[20:00] <qense> who's here for the meeting?
[20:01] <MadsRH> I'm here!
[20:01] <qense> yay! the themer's here!
[20:01] <qense> /ping nand
[20:01] <qense> :)
[20:01] <qense> toros, do you want to join as well?
[20:02] <qense> OK, since MadsRH is already here I think it would be the best to start with the theme.
[20:03] <MadsRH> Would be great if nand (Nicolas Deschildre) was here to discuss the inter- menubar
[20:03] <qense> there are a lot of people on at #ubuntu-meeting, we could hijack that channel  ;)
[20:04] <MadsRH> sounds fine to me :-D
[20:04] <nand> hello?
[20:04] <toros> qense: I'm just listening... :)
[20:04] <qense> ok
[20:04]  * nand is reading the backlog
[20:05] <qense> do you know if jcastro was going to attend as well? He did said he was going to research some front page designs at the UDS, but I've heard nothing from him since.
[20:05] <qense> He is on at #ubuntu-meeting, so if we'd move to that channel we could easily ping him.
[20:07] <nand> you may just ping him, not sure he will be here
[20:07] <nand> what's the agenda?
[20:07] <qense> the new theme mock-up by MadsRH
[20:07] <qense> how to gain developers
[20:07] <qense> and the limitation of the feature scope
[20:07] <qense> I thought it would be good to finish technical discussion that we didn't finish at the UDS.
[20:08] <qense> Especially the team/LP integration needs some talking.
[20:08] <qense> I'll PM jcastro to ask
[20:08] <qense> Did you see the latest mock-up?
[20:09] <MadsRH> https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/attachments/20090207/eedcaa67/attachment-0001.jpg
[20:09] <jcastro> hi!
[20:09] <jcastro> sorry I am late
[20:09] <qense> welcome
[20:09] <qense> we were just starting
[20:10] <nand> waah, nice mockup
[20:10] <nand> hello
[20:10] <qense> We have three points this meeting: this mock-up: https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/attachments/20090207/eedcaa67/attachment-0001.jpg
[20:10] <qense> gaining manpower
[20:10] <qense> and some design discussion we didn't finish at the UDS, especially team/LP integration and permission stuff seem important to me
[20:11] <qense> What would we think of converting this mock-up to a Drupal theme for Ubuntu Wanted?
[20:11] <jcastro> I think it looks fine
[20:12] <qense> I really like it, but I'm not sure about the inter website navbar.
[20:12] <jcastro> though
[20:12] <jcastro> what do we think about having help available as the default view?
[20:12] <jcastro> I am concerned that this will just be a flood of people looking for help
[20:12] <nand> may be a better way to introduce people yeah...
[20:12] <jcastro> and not people signing up TO help
[20:13] <jcastro> otherwise I think you'll ge a bunch of "My project needs programmers"
[20:13] <qense> you could indeed question the relevance of the latest of all tasks to visitors
[20:13] <jcastro> which would be a waste because every project needs programmers, etc.
[20:13] <qense> jcastro, you said you would look into some designs for UW after the UDS. Did you find some spare time to do so?
[20:14] <jcastro> I did but they all sucked
[20:14] <jcastro> this one seems the best so far tbh
[20:14] <jcastro> though I think the simplicity of craigslist might work too
[20:15] <qense> would that be understandable for people new to contributing to Ubuntu?
[20:15] <jcastro> it might be too cluttered
[20:16] <qense> It's a bit like Gnome Do, powerful, but you have to know how to use it.
[20:16] <qense> Maybe MadsRH's style together with a small help thing at the frontpage would be the best.
[20:17] <jcastro> is there a link to what he proposed?
[20:17] <qense> https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/attachments/20090207/eedcaa67/attachment-0001.jpg
[20:17] <qense> that's the latest mock-up we've got
[20:17] <qense> so far only MadsRH has created mock-ups
[20:17] <jcastro> ah
[20:17] <nand> jcastro: MadsRH is here btw
[20:18] <MadsRH> :-)
[20:18] <jcastro> I think that looks great
[20:18] <qense> How would the side menus look with a small help text -- possible with nice icons -- in the centre?
[20:18] <jcastro> I would make it obvious like
[20:18] <jcastro> "Find help"
[20:18] <jcastro> and "Donate help" or something
[20:19] <qense> we don't have enough manpower for the donate help part yet ;)
[20:19] <jcastro> heh
[20:19] <qense> I'm currently the only dev
[20:19] <MadsRH> We talked about a front page long ago: http://madsrh.googlepages.com/wanted-site2.jpg
[20:19] <qense> that was also a nice design, but the three things aren't equal of sort
[20:20] <jcastro> hey I like that one
[20:21] <jcastro> I like the idea of big buttons
[20:21] <qense> hello knome
[20:21] <knome> 'lo
[20:21] <knome> hi everybody o/
[20:21] <qense> big buttons often prevent confusion\
[20:21] <nand> hey!
[20:21] <jcastro> so it's obvious that you're either looking for help, or offering help
[20:21] <qense> yeah
[20:21] <qense> we're talking about these two mock-ups: https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/attachments/20090207/eedcaa67/attachment-0001.jpg and http://madsrh.googlepages.com/wanted-site2.jpg
[20:22] <knome> ok.
[20:22] <knome> maybe we could integrate these two designs.
[20:22] <qense> I think using the second one as a frontpage would be nice, once we have both parts.
[20:22] <qense> and the subparts with the first
[20:23] <qense> however, we need something to theme first
[20:23] <qense> what if we'd use the first mock-up at first and once we've got something more add the second one as a frontpage?
[20:24] <jcastro> or once we play with it add the buttons up top or somethin
[20:24] <jcastro> I think we'll figure that out as we play with it
[20:24] <qense> that's also a nice suggestion
[20:24] <knome> maybe we should just fire up an xhtml mockup of this.
[20:24] <qense> use the upper part of the second mock-up as a menu bar
[20:25] <qense> Last time I saved all theme files as HTML and sent it to MadsRH, he edited it and I converted it back to a Drupal theme.
[20:25] <qense> But I'm not sure if that's the best solution. :)
[20:26] <knome> i can do png/jpg -> drupal
[20:26] <qense> Is there someone who would be able to guide MadsRH through the process of converting the mock-up to XHTML?
[20:26] <qense> with PHP template stuff in it
[20:26] <knome> i can
[20:26] <qense> Maybe it would also be better to start over again since the current Ubuntu theme contains a lot of clutter.
[20:26] <knome> i don't know much about phptemplate, but i have quite an experience with drupal.
[20:26] <knome> however...
[20:26] <knome> i think it still would make sense to do a basic html mockup first
[20:27] <knome> because it's way easier to edit
[20:27] <qense> true
[20:27] <jcastro> I would think the theme doesn't matter, get the guts working first
[20:27] <knome> and you don't have to think about breaking things.
[20:27] <jcastro> and polish at the end?
[20:27] <knome> sure, but the theme needs to be worked on as erll.
[20:27] <knome> *well
[20:28] <MadsRH> If knome would help out that would be great :-) then qsense can focus on the code
[20:28] <qense> what if knome and MadsRH would start working on the theme alongside the development?
[20:28] <qense> I have no time for theming
[20:28] <jcastro> yeah that's fine
[20:28] <knome> that's ok, but i suppose i will be quite busy also.
[20:28] <jcastro> I was just saying, it's way too early to nitpick on the themes
[20:28] <knome> i have time next weekend.
[20:28] <knome> jcastro, you're right.
[20:28] <qense> yeah
[20:29] <MadsRH> so, we will just be using the current theme until knome and I have something new?
[20:29] <knome> but i think, to make a good site and a theme, we need to know which kind of information we want to show
[20:29] <knome> but also we have to think about the theme when we are creating the content
[20:29] <knome> so the theme has suitable places to put things in
[20:30] <qense> I created a blueprint for the task, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWanted/Tasks
[20:30] <qense> If we would use that page to document all kinds of information being shown
[20:30] <qense> there is more information in other blueprints at the LP project page
[20:31] <qense> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wanted
[20:31] <qense> do we basically agree on this subject?
[20:31] <qense> I think it's time to move on to another important subject.
[20:32] <MadsRH> agreed
[20:32] <knome> +
[20:32] <jcastro> nod
[20:32] <qense> OK, next point: gaining manpower
[20:32] <qense> especially developers
[20:33] <qense> At the moment I'm the only developer.
[20:33] <jcastro> we could post on ubuntu wanted!
[20:33] <qense> that has been suggested before.
[20:33] <knome> well, i'm open to helping out.
[20:33] <knome> (as i pointed out at UDS)
[20:33] <MadsRH> jcastro -> :P funny!
[20:33] <knome> but i've been busy and will be until april at least
[20:34] <qense> If you give me enough time it will eventually be finished some time, but its code won't have been reviewed by another person at all.
[20:34] <qense> Which isn't good practise according to me.
[20:34] <qense> We need to somehow attract more PHP developers.
[20:34] <jcastro> ok
[20:35] <jcastro> let's each blog, find people in loco's, etc.
[20:35] <qense> I already regularly blog about it and ask for help, but I didn't get much response so far.
[20:35] <jcastro> and everytime we have a meeting each of us can report
[20:35] <MadsRH> qense -> didn't you get any reply from the ubuntu-website team?
[20:35] <qense> I got a mail from one person, but he didn't reply after I had sent him a mail.
[20:36] <qense> I'm going to ask in Ubuntu NL and other people I see, but that's it.
[20:36] <qense> well, there isn't much that can be discussed about this as long as there is no Ubuntu Wanted.
[20:36] <jcastro> this should just be an ongoing effort by everyone
[20:36] <qense> yes
[20:37] <qense> ok, next point?
[20:38] <jcastro> sure
[20:38] <qense> At the UDS we didn't finish talking about team/LP integration.
[20:39] <jcastro> yeah
[20:39] <jcastro> so, I was chatting with someone this week
[20:39] <jcastro> forgot who
[20:39] <jcastro> and I think for the Wanted portion of the site
[20:39] <jcastro> (not the people donating time)
[20:39] <jcastro> that it should be tied to a /project/ in lp
[20:39] <jcastro> so when they click on "My project needs help" or whatever
[20:40] <knome> i have to go now. i'll read the log later. see you.
[20:40] <jcastro> it has to be an existing project on lp and the person requesting should be in that team
[20:40] <qense> bye knome
[20:40] <qense> thank you for attending
[20:40] <jcastro> so we don't get random "Xorg needs programmers" type stuff
[20:40] <knome> np.
[20:40] <jcastro> have a good one knome!
[20:40] <qense> what team?
[20:40] <qense> the driver?
[20:40] <jcastro> the team for the project
[20:40] <jcastro> so like, if I submit one for gwibber I would have to be in gwibber-team
[20:40] <knome> jcastro, you too.
[20:40] <jcastro> or whatever group owns "gwibber"
[20:41] <qense> that would also widen the scope from Ubuntu Community to Ubuntu and its software
[20:41] <qense> and it would make it harder for teams like the bugsquad or translation teams to post tasks
[20:41] <jcastro> hmm, I see what you mean
[20:41] <qense> but ti is an interesting idea
[20:42] <qense> I do think a lot of projects would benefit from such a service.
[20:42] <jcastro> let's keep that in our heads as a "2.0" idea or something then
[20:43] <qense> maybe we'd have to rename it to OpenWanted if we'd allow that :)
[20:43] <qense> anyway, is team integration necessary?
[20:43] <jcastro> I would think so
[20:43] <qense> Or is writing the team's name in the task's body enough?
[20:44] <jcastro> that's kind of fundamental on how ubuntu works
[20:44] <qense> yeah
[20:44] <qense> at the moment team integration would allow this: searching for tasks by team, application management for team administrators, assigning teams to tasks
[20:44] <qense> especially application management would be useful
[20:44] <jcastro> nod
[20:45] <jcastro> anything else?
[20:45] <jcastro> I need to hit another meeting here shortly
[20:45] <qense> ok
[20:45] <qense> however, at the moment the application form is a mail form and there isn't any LP integration
[20:46] <qense> I think we'd better stick witht he current idea for team integration for now
[20:46] <jcastro> I agree
[20:46] <qense> I'll have another look at the Drupal LP plugins soon.
[20:47] <qense> that's probably it
[20:47] <qense> for now I just need to start coding :)
[20:47] <qense> to code a lot
[20:47] <jcastro> \o/
[20:47] <jcastro> hero
[20:47] <qense> coffee! :P
[20:48] <qense> I'm going to finish the rewrite of the model system soon, I just have to implement updating the data in the controller.
[20:48] <MadsRH> qense -> what language should people be able to write if they want to contribute? PHP?
[20:48] <qense> after that I can work on adding LP integration
[20:49] <qense> MadsRH: You don't really need to have to write it fluently, just understanding it with help of the only code reference would be good enough
[20:49] <qense> just make sure you understand the basic logic so you can work with Drupal themes
[20:50] <MadsRH> okay
[20:50] <qense> well, lets officially end this meeting now
[20:50] <qense> thank you for attending
[20:53] <qense> the basic conclusion is: lets start to do some work
[20:53] <jcastro> heh
[20:53] <jcastro> so we can just idle in here then?
[20:54] <qense> in this channel? yes
[20:54] <qense> I'll be off soon
[20:56] <qense> I'm going offline now, bye everyone!


[07:51] <ogra_> slangasek, pmcgowan wanted to keep them for demo purposes ... not sure if they are still needed, i doubt it but pat should be asked
[11:08] <rbasak> Any chance an SRU team member can take a look at juju-core and juju-quickstart in the Trusty queue, please?
[11:36] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: poke, can you give me a high level idea if you have special handling on the ISO making side for EFI?
[11:47] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: and since the TB seems to agree on moving this forward, can we get ISO's next week? :D
[11:59] <cjwatson> I can do the build (the argument about whether they can be released is a separate one, it seems to me), but I have a *lot* to do just now so a bit wary of making exact time promises I might have to break
[11:59] <cjwatson> EFI isn't a problem, I won't be using ubuntu-defaults-image for it
[13:32] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: yay :)
[15:07] <slangasek> ogra_: "wanted to keep them for demo purposes" - what them?
[15:07] <ogra_> slangasek, the old touch images
[15:07] <slangasek> ah, right
[15:07] <slangasek> ok
[15:08] <ogra_> raring and quanmtal
[15:08] <slangasek> I don't think those are still a useful demo, but I'll check with pmcgowan, thanks
[15:08] <ogra_> yeah, i'll dance if we can drop them so porters stop using that old cruft
[18:18] <rsalveti> can someone care to review the hammerhead kernel packages that are in new? once in we can generate the android system image for nexus 5 out of the archive
[18:25] <infinity> rsalveti: How scarily different will this be from linux-mako?
[18:26] <rsalveti> infinity: it's quite different regarding the qcom changes
[18:26] <rsalveti> as this is a new soc revision
[18:26] <infinity> rsalveti: But outside arch/arm?
[18:27]  * infinity grabs both to generate the diff...
[18:27] <rsalveti> probably not much, but I personally didn't do the diff
[18:27] <rsalveti> as historically each android tree is quite different from the rest
[18:29] <infinity> rsalveti: No tools?
[18:31] <infinity> Ugh, that's an enormous diff.  </3 android. :/
[18:31] <rsalveti> let me check, I thought I had tools
[18:31] <infinity> +do_tools               = true
[18:31] <infinity> +do_tools_perf          = true
[18:31] <infinity> rsalveti: You have them in the kernel package, but not in the metapackage.
[18:32] <rsalveti> right
[18:32] <rsalveti> let me check the meta package for mako
[18:32] <infinity> rsalveti: A debdiff of linux-meta-mako and linux-meta-hammerhead makes it obvious.
[18:33] <infinity> rsalveti: control.common completely dropped the tools stanza instead of just renaming it.
[18:33] <rsalveti> yeah, I probably used another meta as base
[18:33] <rsalveti> let me get that updated
[18:33] <infinity> -Depends: ${misc:Depends}, linux-image-${kernel-abi-version}-mako, linux-firmware
[18:33] <infinity> -Description: Linux kernel image for the Nexus4 (mako).
[18:33] <infinity> +Depends: ${misc:Depends}, linux-image-${kernel-abi-version}-hammerhead
[18:33] <infinity> +Description: Linux kernel image for the Nexus 5 (hammerhead).
[18:33] <infinity> ^-- Dropping linux-firmware dep intentional?
[18:34] <infinity> rsalveti: I'll review the actual source in a while, when I have some free time, but if you can address the meta first, so we're not dancing back and forth on that, that'd be cool.
[18:34] <rsalveti> infinity: nops, that's probably because I used manta or some other meta as base
[18:34] <rsalveti> let me sync that with mako
[18:35] <rsalveti> that's fine
[18:35] <infinity> rsalveti: The source, I just need to do a copyright review of every changed/new file, and make sure it generates the right packages, then I'll close my eyes, scream LA LA LA, and let it in. :P
[18:35] <rsalveti> cool
[18:36] <infinity> Hrm, mako isn't quite right either.  linux-mako-tools should be linux-tools-mako.
[18:36] <infinity> apw: Man, didn't we try to fix all of this? :(
[18:37] <infinity> apw: Or after fixing master, did we run out of steam and only half-fix android ickiness?
[18:38] <infinity> goldfish is right.  Most of the others are a mess.
[18:40] <infinity> rsalveti: Sync with mako for now (minus the transitional nexus4->mako packages, of course), even though it's wrong.  At least they'll be consistently wrong.
[18:41] <infinity> rsalveti: Andy and I can revisit our tools hatred some time to try to fix the world to be consistent.
[18:41] <rsalveti> right :-)
[18:41] <rsalveti> sounds fine
[18:44] <apw> infinity, that is changing linux-image-${kernel-abi-version}-mako linux-image-${kernel-abi-version}-hammerhead ?
[18:45] <apw> that doesn't make any sense ?
[18:45] <infinity> apw: Hrm?
[18:45] <apw> oh that was a diff from mako to hammerhead was it ?
[18:45] <infinity> apw: Yeah. :P
[18:45] <infinity> apw: I dragged you in for tools discussions, not for that snippet. :)
[18:45] <apw> and i thought i fixed all the tools, but happy to have an action for sort that s*it out
[18:46] <infinity> apw: The linux-$(flavour)-tools things we did to master (and goldfish, apparently) didn't quite make it to all the android kernels.
[18:46] <infinity> Err, linux-tools-$flavour
[18:46] <infinity> Now I'm doing it wrong.
[18:46] <infinity> *sigh*
[18:46] <apw> hmmm, that is odd if i did goldfish, how miss others
[18:46] <infinity> apw: mako, at least, is still the old method.
[18:47] <apw> ok ... i'll see about fixing this
[18:47] <infinity> apw: I didn't check them all, don't have the time right now, but we can chat about it next week.
[18:47] <apw> yep
[18:54] <infinity> rsalveti: Also, this appears to have an older version of apparmor than mako.
[18:55] <rsalveti> now, yes
[18:55] <infinity> rsalveti: Did this get passed by the security team on the way to the archive? :P
[18:55] <rsalveti> as I approved the rest of the other packages after pushing the initial rev of hammerhead
[18:55] <rsalveti> will be updating that as well
[18:55] <infinity> rsalveti: Can you update it before I review/accept, so it's a smaller and less disturbing delta?
[18:55] <rsalveti> infinity: sure, will get this upload in a few
[18:56] <infinity> rsalveti: Ta.  No huge rush, I didn't intent to review/accept in the next few hours, my afternoon is already chock full of other things, but it's something I'm happy to spend some time doing on the weekend if you clean it up and reupload.
[18:56] <rsalveti> cool, no worries
[21:16] <OvenWerks> cjwatson: Just sent you email regarding libavcodec-extra it seems to have the wrong name
[21:21] <OvenWerks> cjwatson: sorry, I should clarify it seems 54 should 55? (the non-extra may need the same thing)
[22:06] <cjwatson> OvenWerks: I already changed that in the seeds and will deal with it in the metapackage shortly, but it's all part of a big and complicated transition
[22:07] <cjwatson> mail with slightly more details


[01:16] <Pwnna> i'm trying to use lxc and i set a lxc.rootfs = overlayfs:.....:.... but when i try to start the container it says file not found?
[05:53] <lordievader[m]> Good morning
[06:42] <DK2> can i install the e1000e  <IP_ADDRESS> driver on a 3.16 kernel verison?
[06:44] <DK2> im seeing errors in dmesg: e1000 0000:00:05.0 eth0: Detected Tx Unit Hang
[06:45] <DK2> the e1000 driver is version version:        2.3.2-k
[07:16] <DK2> 5344 6625464 mms what is the "mms" process? its causing alot of ram usage it semes
[07:36] <TafThorne> good morning
[07:40] <lordievader[m]> o/
[11:47] <Pha4drus> Am I correct to assume Samba CVE-2017-7494 has been patched in 4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>?
[11:48] <Pha4drus> Reason for asking: https://www.samba.org/samba/security/CVE-2017-7494.html seems to address slightly different things than https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3296-1/ and https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3296-2/
[12:21] <Munt> Hey folks, where is the best place for a nooby to ask questions bout setting up a linode ?
[12:24] <Pha4drus> Hey Munt. It's pretty quiet here right now. But this seems to be the right place
[12:24] <Pha4drus> What's your question?
[12:25] <Munt> I've got so many right now that my heads swimming a little.  I'm gonna have to sit and actually figure that out :p
[12:25] <Pha4drus> good luck :)
[12:26] <Munt> thank you Pha4drus
[12:30] <Munt> When going through their securing your server page they suggest adding a limited user account.  https://www.linode.com/docs/security/securing-your-server#add-a-limited-user-account       When I did this before I found myself having to jump through a lot of hoops in order to upload to the apache www directory (it wants the files as root and i'm uploading them as new-limited-user)   So I had to upload them as new-limited-user and
[12:30] <Munt>  then via ssh chmod all the files in the directory to root.   I'm doing it wrong I can tell :p   What's the standard way to upload a website usinga limited user account ?
[12:36] <patdk-lap> it does NOT want the files as root
[12:37] <Munt> patdk-lap  :  That's good to know.  I've had problems in the past of the webserver not being able to access the files and having to mess with the ownership
[12:39] <patdk-lap> well you have to give the webserver permission to access it
[12:39] <patdk-lap> that has nothing to do with ownership
[12:40] <Munt> ok, I'll go do some testing and get back to you with some more sanity-checked questions :D
[12:43] <Pha4drus> Munt, webserver group is www-data
[12:43] <Pha4drus> I mean, webserver apache writes and reads as user www-data
[12:45] <Munt> I've /encountered/ this before.   Does that mean I have to manually change the owner to www-data after every upload ?
[12:53] <jonfatino> Hello I am trying to build a pxe boot ubuntu desktop livecd. The issue here is where do I specify squashfs. I do *NOT* want to use a nfs server as the root for livecd
[12:54] <jonfatino> I have reach 100 different web pages and it seems like you can place squashfs inside your initrd. Does anyone here know how to do that?
[12:56] <Pha4drus> Munt, there is a way to have SSH write files forcing a default group other than your own. I'll be back in a bit with the details
[12:57] <soahccc> I have a full disk but no file or directory that even get's close to the disk size... What can that be? I tried to locate it with du command but there is nothing big enough :( I'm confused
[12:57] <zioproto> coreycb: I am having some trouble rebuilding horizon with the xstatic stuff. I am working on stable/newton. Did something change from usual ?
[12:57] <zioproto> the problem is
[12:57] <Munt> Thanks Pha4drus.  I'm currently locked in a cycle of setting up the server , wrecking it and re-imaging it >,<
[12:57] <zioproto> I do the collect static and compress steps
[12:57] <zioproto> but I never get the right css files in place
[12:58] <zioproto> I end up with horizon that points to css files that dont exist
[12:58] <Pha4drus> Munt: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3106005/how-to-set-default-group-permissions-for-sftp-uploads
[12:58] <Pha4drus> Scroll down a bit to the short post
[12:58] <Munt> Sweet, thanks a lot sir!
[12:59] <coreycb> zioproto: nothing has changed that i know of. for stable releases I don't regenerate xstatic files.
[12:59] <zioproto> so you dont do ./debian/rules refresh-xstatic
[12:59] <soahccc> The only thing that du cannot access are /proc/<number>/task directories but can they eat 200GB?
[13:00] <coreycb> zioproto: not for stable releases
[13:00] <zioproto> talking about git://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-dev/ubuntu/+source/horizon
[13:00] <zioproto> anyway if I do
[13:00] <zioproto> ./debian/rules refresh-xstatic
[13:00] <zioproto> in git status
[13:00] <zioproto> It looks like nothing has really changed
[13:01] <zioproto> or there are hidden changes in .gitignore ?
[13:02] <zioproto> sorry my question made no sense
[13:03] <zioproto> I mean, how do I get the original horizon_10.0.3.orig-xstatic.tar.gz to build horizon then ?
[13:03] <zioproto> in the pristine-tar branch I dont have this
[13:07] <coreycb> zioproto: you can pull it from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/horizon and rename it
[13:10] <zioproto> ok, lets try this
[13:11] <zioproto> if this work, we shoud document it for who tries to rebuild the stable release
[13:23] <zioproto> coreycb: it works, hold on, I tell you what I did
[13:30] <zioproto> coreycb: https://github.com/zioproto/ubuntu-cloud-archive-vagrant-vm/blob/newton/Readme.md
[13:30] <zioproto> looks at the section Special case of building Horizon
[13:30] <zioproto> coreycb: basically the Readme says to generate the orig-xstatic.tar.gz
[13:31] <zioproto> I have always done like that in the past
[13:31] <zioproto> and then you end up with horizon without CSS
[13:43] <coreycb> zioproto: ok i updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenStack/CorePackages as well
[13:46] <zioproto> thanks
[14:57] <nacc> ahasenack: nice work on the samba backlog :)
[15:10] <ahasenack> nacc: still ongoing :)
[16:58] <adrian_1908> hello, on my 16.10 Desktop I have the file `/lib/systemd/system/php7.0-fpm.service` that contains data. I cannot find such a file on my 16.04 cloud image (also running PHP7-fpm), any idea where it would be?
[17:00] <adrian_1908> I have an empty one at `/var/lib/systemd/deb-systemd-helper-enabled/multi-user.target.wants/php7.0-fpm.service` but that's probably not serving the same role.
[17:03] <adrian_1908> Ah silly me, I had temporarily disabled the php service and that removed the file apparently, problem solved :)
[17:28] <Munt> hey folks I have my url pointing to my linode server, it loads /var/www/ , when trying to use webmin to set the virtual server I get the error "Failed to create virtual server : 'thedomainname.site' is not a valid address"
[17:29] <Munt> any ideas what I'm doing wrong ?
[17:30] <Poster> there's not really enough there to troubleshoot with, can you post a screenshot of the window you're seeing?
[17:35] <Munt> Poster : http://picpaste.com/pics/yUuZhYzA.1495820076.png http://picpaste.com/pics/MXMAhRf0.1495820108.png
[18:56] <sarnold> Munt: please be careful with webmin and similar tools; they're one of the top vectors for remote breakins; firewall the thing to listen to only a few IPs if you must use it.
[18:58] <Munt> oh! ... I guess I'm feeling a little overwhelmed as I cannot get my server operational.  Currently formatting the VM and trying again. This time I'll omit the webmin
[18:58] <sarnold> I like that better :) it may be more work to get going initially but in the long run you'll get more done without it
[19:02] <genii> sarnold: Is zentyal or whatever the recommended choice these days?
[19:02] <sarnold> genii: I think I've heard good things about that from channel regulars but I've never read the code..
[19:03]  * genii makes more coffee
[22:27] <adrian_1908> On Ubuntu, PHP7 appears to just use symlinks to enable modules, i.e. the `extension=module.so` lines are included into `php.ini` by importing `conf.d/*` right?
[22:35] <nacc> adrian_1908: php cli? apache?
[22:36] <adrian_1908> nacc: php cli/fpm. I saw instructions to uncomment `;extension=module.so` on a CMS website, but it seems that isn't how it's done in modern PHP anymore.
[22:38] <adrian_1908> Just wanted to make sure I understand right what I see. There's a conf.d/ folder full of symlinks that point to a `mods-available/` directory where each module has a file containing the line to include/load the module.
[22:39] <nacc> adrian_1908: yeah, there's phpenmod/phpdismod to wrap that
[22:40] <adrian_1908> neat, i'll readup on those commands, thanks.
[22:44] <nacc> adrian_1908: np
[22:44] <nacc> adrian_1908: sorry for being slow to respond/terse -- nearing EOD/EOW
[22:46] <adrian_1908> all good man, have a good weekend.
[22:47] <nacc> adrian_1908: you too


[06:40] <jppiiroinen> Kaleo_: that is still on my todo list
[06:43] <dpm> goog morning all
[07:30] <dholbach> good morning
[07:32] <penk> morning!
[07:37] <dpm> morning dholbach, morning penk
[07:49] <dholbach> hey dpm
[07:53] <dpm> hey :)
[08:10] <nerochiaro> om26er: good morning, any news on the tests for the browser component ?
[08:11] <om26er> nerochiaro, no, not much luck... didn't look at that much. I am looking at that now... Did you get a fix for the unittests ?
[08:12] <nerochiaro> om26er: i was away the past few days, didn't work on it
[08:12] <nerochiaro> om26er: but i'll look into the unit tests, and you keep looking into the autopilot
[08:12] <nerochiaro> om26er:  does that sound good ?
[08:13] <om26er> nerochiaro, yes, sure. I started on that already :)
[08:13] <nerochiaro> om26er: thank you !
[08:14] <dpm> oSoMoN, I've updated https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-calendar-app/rename/+merge/169732 to address the points in your review. Could you have a look at it and re-review? :)
[08:14] <om26er> nerochiaro, you'r welcome
[08:18] <oSoMoN> dpm: sure, on it now
[08:18] <dpm> oSoMoN, perfect, thanks. On separating them, they've become quite easy to review I hope
[08:19] <oSoMoN> dpm: you’ll need to set a commit message for autolanding to work
[08:19] <dpm> argh, it didn't pick up the one from the earlier MP. Thanks, fixing it now
[08:21] <dpm> done, description updated as well
[08:36] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Eat Your Vegetables Day! :-D
[08:40] <timp> JamesTait: I *knew* it, I don't have to eat my vegetables *every* day :)
[08:41] <JamesTait> timp, mmmmmmaybeeeee.... ;)
[08:46] <oSoMoN> dpm: commented on https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-calendar-app/package-translations/+merge/166029 with a suggestion
[08:47] <dpm> thanks! looking
[08:48] <om26er> nerochiaro, the problem is that the way we are starting the app, the startup parameter is not working...
[08:48] <nerochiaro> om26er: what do you mean ? what startup parameter ?
[08:49] <om26er> nerochiaro, the default weblink that we pass is not working... lets say we want to open the browser with 'google.com' in normal cases 'webbrowser-app google.com' will work but in this case its not
[08:50] <om26er> nerochiaro, 'qmlscene -I ../../src/ browser/emulators/runner.qml google.com'
[08:51] <om26er> that won't open google.com.. so in our autopilot tests we actually provide a default link
[08:51] <nerochiaro> om26er: ok, i think we should split the tests in two groups, one is the tests that test the component only, and the one is the test that test the entire application. i would remove the tests for the entire application (which will need to remain as part of webbrowser-app)
[08:52] <nerochiaro> om26er: this one you mentioned for example is a test for the entire app
[08:55] <om26er> nerochiaro, yeah, makes sense. I am trying to figure out what really needs to be tested with autopilot.. like which components should I write tests for ?
[08:56] <nerochiaro> om26er: only the browser component, and the tests are already there, we just need to remove the application-specific ones
[09:01] <om26er> nerochiaro, can we do a quick mumble for a few minutes ?
[09:01] <nerochiaro> om26er: yeah, let me grab my headphones
[09:03] <nerochiaro> om26er: just logged in
[09:03] <om26er> nerochiaro, yeah, I am there
[09:04] <nerochiaro> om26er: ok, let me try reconnecting
[09:05] <om26er> nerochiaro, let me reconnect as well
[09:06] <nerochiaro> om26er: no idea, i can hear you but my mic isn't working it seems
[09:08] <Laney> is saucy/grouper fixed-ish now?
[09:08] <Laney> oops, meant to send that to #ubuntu-touch :P
[09:29] <dpm> oSoMoN, I've added a comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-calendar-app/package-translations/+merge/166029https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-calendar-app/package-translations/+merge/166029 if you could have a look when you've got a minute, that'd be great
[09:30] <oSoMoN> dpm: sure
[09:33] <dpm> great
[10:11] <dholbach> JamesTait, dpm, lool, mhall119, beuno: I think it'd make sense to start documenting a few things on the Ubuntu wiki - even if just briefly and in the form of a few bullet points - wiki.u.c/AppStore is unclaimed - shall we start using it or is there any other place you'd rather see decisions/docs/stuff go?
[10:11] <dholbach> I'd mail the list afterwards
[10:12] <JamesTait> dholbach, +1 from me, the more info we have in public resources the better.
[10:12] <dpm> dholbach, if app store is the name we'll be using, sounds good. We might want to put it under Touch/ but I think for now it's best to just get started. We can always set up a redirect if we decide to move it afterwards
[10:13] <dholbach> dpm, I thought about Touch/ first, but thought that the idea would be to use it more broadly in a converged world
[10:13] <dholbach> not entirely sure though
[10:14] <dholbach> but yeah +1 on getting started :)
[10:14] <dpm> dholbach, yeah, that sounds good to me. We can always move it later if we decide to
[10:14] <dholbach> rock and roll
[10:14] <JamesTait> dholbach, yeah, I'm also consciously avoiding references to Touch for that reason.
[10:15] <dholbach> I'll set it up and mail the list afterwards
[10:15] <JamesTait> Thanks dholbach.
[10:21] <oSoMoN> dpm: commented on https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-calendar-app/package-translations/+merge/166029
[10:26] <dholbach> JamesTait, dpm: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppStore (and /Decisions)
[10:27] <lool> dholbach: +1000
[10:28] <dholbach> great - that's the +1002 I was looking for
[10:28] <lool> dholbach: I'd go for /Click at a nicer toplevel for now, but it's not worth bikeshedding
[10:28] <JamesTait> dholbach, :)
[10:28] <lool> I'm too late it seems
[10:28] <dholbach> and another +1000 if you guys help keeping it up to date ;-)
[10:29] <lool> (wasn't there some trademark dispute over the name "appstore"?)
[10:29] <dholbach> lool, yeah, that'd be a possibility too, I'm just not sure if we want to advertise "apps", "get apps into the store", "ubuntu app store" as "click" or anything like that
[10:29] <dholbach> lool, I'll mention it in my mail to the list
[10:29] <lool> cheers
[10:29] <dholbach> I'm happy for us to discuss it for a week and then count votes for whatever options come up ;-)
[10:51] <dpm> oSoMoN, thanks. I've now updated https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-calendar-app/package-translations/+merge/166029
[10:55] <oSoMoN> dpm: looks good now, btw is a changelog entry really necessary?
[10:55] <dpm> oSoMoN, I thought it was, as the packaging was changed. But I can remove it if necessary
[10:59] <oSoMoN> dpm: I don’t know, that’s a genuine question :) in the core apps developed in-house, we don’t add changelog entries anymore, not sure whether the same applies to community developed apps
[11:00] <dpm> oSoMoN, for the community apps we just set up a very basic packaging. I'm not sure it's that important until they get into the distro proper, so I think for now I'd choose the path of least effort and leave the changelog entry there other than remove it. If you're ok with that, can you approve and top-approve?
[11:03] <oSoMoN> dpm: sure, approving now
[11:05] <oSoMoN> gusch, nerochiaro: would one of you be available to review a trivial MR? https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/addressbar-spacing-tweak/+merge/169477
[11:06] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: from the looks of it it seems it's trivial enough to just approve it as it is
[11:07] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: indeed it is
[11:07] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i comment approved it
[11:07] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: thx
[11:15] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: do you have any idea in cmake how to copy a binary file into the unit tests directory after building but before running the tests ? I tried using the "install" command but it's run after the tests it seems. and i tried using the file command (with COPY option) but it's run before the build
[11:16] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: no, no idea
[11:19] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: know anyone who might know ?
[11:19] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: try gusch, I don’t know if we have cmake experts around…
[11:20] <nerochiaro> gusch: any ideas on the above ?
[11:20] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i wonder how other applications that do unit tests and have binary plugins do it
[11:20] <nerochiaro> if we have any
[11:20] <gusch> nerochiaro: sorry - no
[11:21] <gusch> nerochiaro: but I might need that as well
[11:21] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: there must be a way, it’s just a matter of finding someone who knows it…
[11:28] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: who was our expert back in the unity-2d days ?
[11:30] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: it was agateau, not sure where he can be pinged those days
[11:30] <oSoMoN> s/those/these/
[12:11] <kalikiana> Kaleo_, ping whenever you have time to discuss the spreadsheet you made
[12:11] <Kaleo_> kalikiana: sure, which spreadsheet?
[12:12] <kalikiana> Kaleo_, aha, you are there, thought you were absent since you weren't in the daily
[12:15] <timp> Kaleo_: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av4_up3vZmkvdGNHdW1mWGtwSndPWkRJQkdwNFgtM3c#gid=0 I am also interested in where the priorities come from and whether design has the same priorities
[12:16] <Kaleo_> timp: they come from a variety of places and can be changed
[12:16] <Kaleo_> timp: there was no sync with design on these priorities in a a long time
[12:25] <timp> Kaleo: ok. Would be good to have a chat with someone at design to sync our priorities
[12:26] <timp> or we leave it to the developer to contact design ahead of working on a component
[12:41] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: would you mind top-approving https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/addressbar-spacing-tweak/+merge/169477 ?
[12:44] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: certainly not. done
[12:47] <Kaleo> timp: 14:20 < Kaleo_> timp: I'll bring it up with Calum and John
[12:49] <timp> Kaleo: ok, great
[12:49] <timp> Kaleo: if you said something else in that time period, I may have missed it also
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[12:54] <Kaleo> timp: nope, nothing else :)
[13:09] <timp> gusch_, zsombi I am preparing a change in the tools API, and I have changes ready for gallery-app to reflect this
[13:10] <timp> gusch_: could you have a look and give me your comments? Don't approve because the changes are not in UITK
[13:10] <timp> zsombi: ^ if you will be reviewing my UITK MR on this later, you can see in gallery-app already what the changes would be for apps
[13:11] <gusch_> timp: ok - and can I see the changes in the UITK? To check is autopilot will break
[13:11] <timp> gusch_: the idea is that eventually, all Actions can show up in the HUD, and their visual representation in the toolbar is a ToolbarButton
[13:12] <timp> gusch_: sure, https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/toolbarItems
[13:12] <timp> gusch_: I guess autopilot will break, but will become easier to use because you define the buttons now in your own code
[13:14] <seb128> the system settings design have often buttons in lists that are supposed to be the same width than text in a ListItem ... does that seems like a case for a standard widget (should I file a wishlist about it?)
[13:15] <seb128> or should we play with spacing/marging and copy those tweaks around (and update them the day spacing change for listitems)
[13:15] <zsombi> (04:10:55 PM) timp: zsombi: ^ if you will be reviewing my UITK MR on this later, you can see in gallery-app already what the changes would be for apps
[13:16] <zsombi> timp: ok
[13:16] <timp> zsombi: thanks
[13:16] <timp> seb128: try this http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/qml-ubuntu-components-listitems0-singlecontrol.html
[13:16] <timp> seb128: is that what you mean?
[13:16] <seb128> timp, can I turn the separators off?
[13:17] <timp> seb128: yes, showDivider: false http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/qml-ubuntu-components-listitems0-empty.html#showDivider-prop
[13:18] <zsombi> Kaleo: I was thinking to move Arguments stuff under Ubuntu.Services together with Alarms API + some others which would be better to be packaged in a separate module
[13:18] <zsombi> Kaleo: opinion?
[13:19] <seb128> timp, sorry, my nm-applet has been unhappy
[13:19] <Kaleo> zsombi: not sure about that; in any case not really critical right now
[13:19] <seb128> timp, I was asking if I can disable separators
[13:19] <timp> 15:17:30 < timp> seb128: yes, showDivider: false  http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/qml-ubuntu-components-listitems0-empty.html#showDivider-prop
[13:19] <timp> seb128: ^
[13:19] <seb128> timp, ah, thanks!
[13:19] <zsombi> Kaleo: so you would suggest to have the Alarms API also in Ubuntu.Components?
[13:20] <seb128> timp, I was looking at http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/qml-ubuntu-components-listitems0-singlecontrol-members.html
[13:20] <seb128> timp, which doesn't have those properties listed
[13:20] <timp> seb128: weird. it should be there because SingleControl inherits from Empty, but the docs don't show it
[13:21] <seb128> timp, want a bug report about that?
[13:21] <timp> dpm: ^ documentation problem.
[13:21] <Kaleo> zsombi: right now yes
[13:21] <timp> dpm: the link to Empty is in the documentation I generate locally with 'make docs', but not on the webpage. Will this be fixed automatically the next time the docs are updated?
[13:21] <timp> dpm: or is it a different issue and we need to report a bug?
[13:22] <timp> seb128: I don't know. Let's ask dpm
[13:23] <zsombi> Kaleo: I kinda would like to keep the UI components separated from UI-less ones, especially from the service functionality providers... but...
[13:23] <timp> kalikiana: ^ or perhaps you know what's happening with the docs?
[13:24] <dpm> timp, we're not updating the docs automatically yet. kalikiana set them up, but his MP is pending on some help that we should get from the Web team to make the breadcrumbs in the docs appear correctly
[13:24] <dpm> timp, seb128 I can update the docs manually, but it will have to be in a few hours time
[13:24] <timp> dpm: but if it is correct locally when I run 'make docs', does that mean it will be correct after the next docs update?
[13:27] <dpm> timp, no, I didn't switch automatic online doc updates yet as it was pending another MP to add the d.u.c headers to the docs. But if I update them manually later on and merge the branches currently in review, they should be ok
[13:27] <kalikiana> dpm, so it's simply outdated isn't it?
[13:29] <dpm> kalikiana, yeah. Do you know if the mp to add the header and footer landed? Since there were so many doc fixes, I'm not sure if that was coupled with your breadcrumbs branch or if it's already landed
[13:29] <kalikiana> dpm, that was separate
[13:30] <kalikiana> afair navi is the only unmerged branch
[13:30] <seb128> timp, sorry, my laptop was in weird state, I had to reboot
[13:30] <seb128> hopefully it fixed it
[13:30] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: gusch_: om26er: after battling half a day with cmake this is how i convinced it to copy some files post-build and pre-test to the test directory: add_custom_command(
[13:30] <nerochiaro>             TARGET ubuntu-ui-extras-plugin
[13:30] <nerochiaro>             POST_BUILD
[13:30] <nerochiaro>             COMMAND ${CMAKE_COMMAND} -E copy
[13:30] <nerochiaro>                 $<TARGET_FILE:ubuntu-ui-extras-plugin>
[13:30] <nerochiaro>                 ${CMAKE_BINARY_DIR}/tests/unittests/Ubuntu/Components/Extras/)
[13:30] <nerochiaro> hope it helps, for reference
[13:32] <gusch_> nerochiaro: ok - thx - in which package will it be?
[13:32] <timp> seb128: ok. you got the links for the online docs, but they are outdated and they don't correctly list that SingleControl inherits the properties from Empty
[13:33] <dpm> kalikiana, great, I'll see if I can switch automatic docs later on. timp ^
[13:33] <seb128> timp, ok, thanks
[13:33] <seb128> I see that dpm is on it
[13:33] <kalikiana> +1000 for automatic docs
[13:34] <dpm> seb128, in the meantime, you can read the docs from the ubuntu-ui-toolkit-doc package. Those should be up to date
[13:34] <nerochiaro> gusch_: ubuntu-ui-extras, new package that will contain browser and later on mediaplayer components
[13:34] <seb128> dpm, timp: file:///usr/share/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/doc/html/qml-ubuntu-components-listitems0-singlecontrol-members.html is correct indeed
[13:34] <seb128> thanks!
[13:35] <gusch_> nerochiaro: ah - ok - thx
[13:36] <dpm> super
[13:37] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: thanks for the reference
[13:43] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: wasn't the merge request approved last week ?
[13:45] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: looking at the history, I’m not seeing any commits that looks like this, and there are no pending MRs against notes-app
[13:46] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok, so what happened is that i did the translations for share and camera, including desktops, but never went back to notes to do the desktop files
[13:46] <timp> gusch_: do you think this API change would be good? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/gallery-app/toolbarItems/revision/729 do you like it?
[13:46] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: also there was some uncertainity about how the desktop file translations actually worked, for the camera MR. was that resolved ?
[13:47] <nerochiaro> gusch_: ^
[13:47] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: ok, so please do so today if possible
[13:47] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: dunno, I don’t think I was involved in reviewing that one, do you have a link?
[13:48] <gusch_> nerochiaro: yes, resolved. I was wrong (didn't get the magic begind gettext)
[13:48] <gusch_> timp: let me see ...
[13:50] <gusch_> timp: sometimes it's Button, sometime ToolbarButton ?
[13:51] <gusch_> timp: sometimes the anchors.verticalCenter ist set, sometimes not?
[13:52] <gusch_> timp: oh - I see - it's when a real button is used (Cancel for example)
[13:52] <timp> gusch_: yes. It is Button on those places where you used to have an itemHint
[13:53] <timp> gusch_: ToolbarButton automatically sets anchors, Button does not. But I admit that I don't like that I have to explicitly add the anchor to the Button
[13:58] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok, on doing it today
[13:58] <gusch_> timp: looks ok - but I guess it will break autopilot ;)
[13:59] <oSoMoN> dpm: is there a specific reason why https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-calendar-app/rename/+merge/169776 is marked "Work in progress" ?
[13:59] <oSoMoN> dpm: or is it safe for me to top-approve it?
[13:59] <timp> gusch_: should I include the fixes for autopilot in that branch?
[13:59] <timp> gusch_: how do I run the gallery autopilot tests?
[13:59] <gusch_> timp: otherwise it won't integrate ;)
[14:00] <gusch_> timp: got to "cd tests/autopilot; autopilot run gallera_app"
[14:00] <dpm> oSoMoN, yeah, I noticed that for some reason after merging the other branch it depended on, the diff now generates conflicts. I couldn't figure it out and today I don't have more time to look at the MPs, so I marked it as WIP and I'll have a look at those merge conflicts tomorrow morning
[14:04] <oSoMoN> dpm: it merges fine locally (albeit with a criss-cross warning), it may just be launchpad being confused, shall we give a try at approving it?
[14:04] <timp> gusch_: I get a bunch of errors like ImportError: Failed to import test module: gallery_app.tests.test_album_view
[14:05] <timp> gusch_: and ImportError: No module named input
[14:05] <dpm> oSoMoN, fine by me, thanks for testing it!
[14:06] <oSoMoN> np
[14:06] <timp> gusch_: do I need autopilot-phablet?
[14:07] <gusch_> timp: libautopilot-qt
[14:07] <gusch_> timp: and libqt5test5
[14:07] <timp> gusch_: from which ppa?
[14:08] <gusch_> timp: http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-unity/daily-build-next/ubuntu/ raring/main
[14:11] <oSoMoN> dpm: do you have credentials to login to the jenkins instance to request a rebuild?
[14:11] <oSoMoN> dpm: i.e. http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/ubuntu-calendar-app-ci/31/rebuild
[14:11] <timp> gusch_: thanks
[14:11] <dpm> oSoMoN, I don't. Either mmrazik or fginther should have
[14:13] <gusch_> timp: "autopilot list gallery_app" gives you the names, to run tests individually (as a full run takes 4 minutes and blocks for computer essentially)
[14:13] <oSoMoN> dpm: mmrazik did it, let’s see what jenkins says
[14:15] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: regarding the desktop file in notes app, let me know as soon as you have a MR, and let’s work to ensure it gets merged today
[14:18] <dpm> cool, thanks oSoMoN
[14:21] <oSoMoN> dpm: the CI job passed, I just top-approved
[14:23] <dpm> oSoMoN, awesome, thanks!
[14:24] <timp> gusch_: oops.. after adding the ppa and upgrading my packages I don't have a window manager after I log in.. :s
[14:30] <gusch_> timp: did you do a full upgrade?
[14:31] <timp> yes, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:32] <timp> ah, a bunch of packages have been kept back
[14:32] <gusch_> timp: oh oh - I do only it as well - but I use KDE
[14:36] <timp> gusch_: oh, after dist-upgrade I have windows again :)
[14:37] <timp> gusch_: and the gallery_app autopilot tests run :)
[14:37]  * timp bbl
[14:50] <oSoMoN> dpm: looking at the last MR in the series, will the qmake/make trick for the po/ folder be automatically picked up and executed, or is it still a manual step for now?
[14:51] <dpm> oSoMoN, still a manual step. Right now it is not more than a developer aid. In the future, most probably there should be a proper build system in the apps
[14:52] <oSoMoN> dpm: ok, sounds good enough to me
[14:53] <oSoMoN> dpm: maybe an entry in the README file to explain how to generate an up-to-date pot file?
[14:54] <dpm> oSoMoN, indeed, that's a very good point. I'll add it to my todo and prepare it for the rest of the apps as well
[15:08] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: bfiller: https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/notes-app/notes-app-desktop-i18n/+merge/169827
[15:08] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: bfiller: desktop file i18n for notepad
[15:09] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: I’m on it
[15:29] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: commented on the MR
[15:29] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: looking
[15:30] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: see if it's better now
[15:32] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: nope, there’s a lot of extra garbage now because you had files resulting from a previous package build in the debian dir, please run it on a clean tree
[15:42] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: try now
[15:45] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: approved, let’s wait for jenkins to run the CI, and then feel free to top-approve
[15:46] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok, thanks
[15:51] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: tests seem to fail, but i didn't touch them
[15:51] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: something is odd
[15:51] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: looking into it, please have a look at the logs yourself too
[15:51] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i am, it seems the app isn't quitting
[15:52] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: please ask om26er about it, I think I recall something related that was discussed last week
[15:54] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN:  om26er: any ideas why these tests fail on notepad ? https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/notes-app/notes-app-desktop-i18n/+merge/169827
[15:55] <om26er> nerochiaro, I tried to fix that in my branch (https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/notes-app/fix_jenkins_failures) but failed..
[15:56] <om26er> nerochiaro, it seems alt-f4 event is not happening in jenkins setup due to some reason
[15:56] <om26er> nerochiaro, we need to fix another way to kill the app.
[15:57] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: om26er: yeah. but in the meantime i think oSoMoN we can approve that MR since it has nothing to do with the code i submitted for review
[15:57] <om26er> nerochiaro, I think it may make sense to disable these tests for now...
[15:57] <om26er> I wonder if the MR will go in till those tests pass...
[15:57] <nerochiaro> om26er: you tell me
[15:57] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu/Qt Application | http://askubuntu.com/q/309302
[15:58] <om26er> nerochiaro, Yes. I thought of disabling them as well. I didn't find a way to kill the app.. we could do 'killall qmlscene'
[15:59] <om26er> alt-f4 doesn't work on touch anyways so this is a partial solution anyways...
[16:00] <nerochiaro> om26er: sounds a bit brutal, but might work. for now i'm disabling these two tests though
[16:00] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: is it ok if i do that in the same MR ?
[16:00] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: don’t comment them out, just skip them
[16:00] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: yes
[16:00] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: how do i skip them ?
[16:01] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: I don’t remember the exact syntax, but I believe there a skipTest decorator for test methods that should not run, and you can pass it a string to explain why the test is being skipped
[16:01] <om26er> nerochiaro, import unittest ; use it as decorator a line before the test.. like this: @unittest.skip("Quick is not working")
[16:02] <om26er> or you may even want to skip the entire class...
[16:08] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN:  om26er: any way to skip the tests only when running on device ? it's the only place where they fail,no ?
[16:08] <om26er> nerochiaro, they fail in jenkins as well..
[16:09] <nerochiaro> om26er: but they work on desktop
[16:09] <om26er> nerochiaro, yes, they are working fine on my desktop as well. but due to some reason unknown they fail in jenkins.. I tried 3-4 experiments but none of them worked..
[16:10] <nerochiaro> om26er: exactly, so my question is: can we leave them enabled on desktop and disable them on jenkins ?
[16:10] <om26er> nerochiaro, no, we can't differentiate..
[16:10] <nerochiaro> om26er: ok
[16:11] <om26er> nerochiaro, I tried to do this: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~om26er/notes-app/fix_jenkins_failures/revision/136 that didn't work
[16:17] <nerochiaro> om26er: when i add that decorator, are the tests still supposed to appear in autopilot list ?
[16:17] <om26er> nerochiaro, yeah, they should
[16:18] <om26er> nerochiaro, try running them. the app window will just appear and then disappear quickly
[16:18] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN:  om26er: i pushed the changes with the disabled tests already, let's see what jenkins does
[16:32] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: would you mind approving this trivial MR? https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/cmakelists-qt-creator/+merge/169845
[16:33] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: done
[16:33] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: thanks
[16:40] <om26er> nerochiaro, so I have fixed 20 tests for the browser component
[16:41] <om26er> nerochiaro, others are bit tricky to fix it seems...
[16:42] <nerochiaro> om26er: just a moment, can you trigger a rebuild on this MR ? https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/notes-app/notes-app-desktop-i18n/+merge/169827
[16:42] <nerochiaro> om26er: it seems jenkins isn't running it, or it's taking a long time
[16:43] <om26er> nerochiaro, its running already
[16:48] <nerochiaro> om26er: ok. regaring the browser component, can you please commit the fixed tests ?
[16:48] <nerochiaro> om26er: and why are the tricky ones more tricky ?
[16:50] <om26er> nerochiaro, one of them makes sure the app starts chromeless,,, which requires a parameter '--chromeless' which we cannot provide...
[16:50] <om26er> nerochiaro, others are related to 'browser history' it seems the dummy database is not being picked by the app in that mode
[16:54] <Laney> Kaleo: Hey, last week you told me that UbuntuShape accepts a ShaderEffectSource but I don't see that here - any clues? (Unable to assign QQuickShaderEffectSource to QQuickImage)
[16:55] <om26er> nerochiaro, lp:~om26er/+junk/fix-autopilot-tests
[16:56] <om26er> nerochiaro, or should I push to your branch ?
[16:56] <nerochiaro> om26er: please push to my branch
[16:56] <nerochiaro> om26er: all those are ok being tested as part of the webbrowser-app i tink
[16:56] <nerochiaro> think
[16:57] <om26er> nerochiaro, done
[17:01] <om26er> I'll be back later.
[17:01] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: would you have a moment to review https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/target-blank-relative/+merge/169854 ?
[17:04] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: looking
[17:04] <oSoMoN> thx
[17:05] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: if the tests pass it looks ok to me
[17:06] <nerochiaro> bfiller: FYI since you wanted to be notified: notes-app desktop file i18n approved: https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/notes-app/notes-app-desktop-i18n/+merge/169827
[17:07] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: cool, feel free to approve then, I can top-approve once CI succeeds
[17:13] <Kaleo> Laney: let me think
[17:16] <timp> Laney, Kaleo UbuntuShape does not accept it directly, but its parent class (Shape, made available from c++) does
[17:17] <Kaleo> Laney: timp: ahy yes!
[17:17] <Kaleo> of course
[17:17] <Kaleo> that's a glitch we will have to remedy
[17:20] <timp> there is a bug for that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1089595
[17:20] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1089595 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "[shape] UbuntuShape should shape more general Item-based components" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[17:37] <seb128> do you guys have a widget to use for cases like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AboutThisDevice?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=phone-storage.png
[17:38] <seb128> the [ by name ][ by size ] splitted button
[17:40] <timp> seb128: nope
[17:41] <seb128> timp, ok, any planned?
[17:42] <timp> seb128: yes it is planned, but I cannot find a bug report for it
[17:42] <seb128> timp, ok, good to know that it's planned ;-)
[17:44] <timp> seb128: it is currently low priority and won't arrive before the beta
[17:45] <seb128> timp, I should maybe talk to design to have an alternative UI suggested then
[17:45] <seb128> timp, thanks
[18:04] <bfiller> nerochiaro: thanks
[18:29] <Laney> timp: Kaleo: hrm, alright then - so I'll be able to propose CrossFadeImage to the toolkit but probably not actually use it just yet until that gets fixed
[18:47] <Kaleo> Laney: that's a misunderstanding
[18:48] <Kaleo> Laney: you can already use the Shape object
[18:48] <Laney> oh yeah?
[18:48] <Kaleo> Laney: yes, instead of UbuntuShape use Shape
[18:48] <Laney> but then I won't be all UbuntuShapey
[18:48] <Laney> or?
[18:48] <Kaleo> Laney: like it is dong in UbuntuShape.qml
[18:48] <Kaleo> Laney: it will be
[18:49] <Kaleo> Laney: it's just that the UbuntuShape got rewritten from QML to C++ in a hurry*
[18:49] <Kaleo> Laney: and now we have UbuntuShape.qml as a wrapper for the C++ Shape
[18:50] <Laney> well, that file does appear to do some things
[20:29] <nik90> Does anybody here know how to solve http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17155915/does-qml-support-converting-to-different-timezone-based-on-timezoneid ?
[20:29] <nik90> or atleast ppoint me in the right direction?
[20:49] <netcurli> nik90: you have seen this: http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-5-QTimeZone
[20:49] <netcurli> ?
[20:51] <nik90> netcurli: I am looking at it now
[20:52] <nik90> netcurli: I remember briefly looking at it before. But as I see many of its API for timezone is scheduled for qt 5.1
[20:52] <netcurli> yes..
[20:53] <nik90> and I am not sure when exactly qt 5.1 will be packaged for ubuntu
[20:53] <netcurli> I mean, the data you are looking for is available in the tz database
[20:53] <netcurli> it's just a matter of how to access that information
[20:54] <nik90> netcurli: I looked at tz database..and I see that it provide timezone info about a city
[20:54] <nik90> netcurli: but meanwhile I was able to find an online API which gives me that same info
[20:54] <nik90> but it returns it as Europe/Amsterdam or etc....
[20:55] <nik90> netcurli: I just need to know how to convert that into time
[20:55] <netcurli> with the tz database you can get the difference between a timezone by id and utc at some point in the past or future
[20:56] <nik90> and will the difference be in minutes? as in Amsterdam is 120 minutes from UTC
[20:58] <nik90> netcurli: for now in the ubuntu clock app, I am getting the current local time at a place and then subtracting it from my system time to know the diff
[20:58] <nik90> I then can calculate the time at that city by using the diff anytime
[21:17] <netcurli> how would you deal with daylight saving time?
[21:18] <nik90> netcurli: my current plan to check with the online api once every day
[21:18] <nik90> netcurli: so that would take care of updating with daylight saving time
[21:20] <netcurli> btw: https://github.com/eggert/tz that is the source code of the tz database. and you can try "TZ='Europe/Amsterdam' date" in a terminal
[21:24] <nik90> netcurli: yes I have explored the use of tzdata already present in ubuntu
[21:24] <nik90> but js or qml does not have native capability to read tz files
[21:26] <netcurli> that is correct, you could either make a c++ plugin or compile the tz files to json (but you would have to provide updates then)
[21:26] <nik90> netcurli: okay


[01:02] <arraybolt3> Finally getting to take a look at the recent install failures.
[01:06] <arraybolt3> OK so it looks like it's not so much the removal of muon from Lubuntu as it is the removal of muon *from the entire Ubuntu archive*.
[01:06] <arraybolt3> *Ubuntu Noble archive I mean
[01:06] <arraybolt3> So, preparing an upload
[01:09]  * arraybolt3 thwacks tsimonq2 for not fully uploading his packaging changes to Gitea
[01:32] <arraybolt3> Update pushed.
[02:30] <arraybolt3> x
[02:30] <arraybolt3> sigh, wrong window - now you know the root password for the VM I just spun up
 how fortunate its just for your vm :P
 i use a simple test pw too in devel-test VMs.
[03:37] <arraybolt3> z is for users, x is for root, and qwe is for disk encryption :P
[03:38] <arraybolt3> All sensitive VMs are stored on my encrypted SSD, and *that* uses a strong password, so it should be good.
 Thanks Dan and also for endorsement (re @kc2bez: Congratulations! @Leokolb)
 https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/708661
 Yikes
 Subscribed
 Anyone with info about the QA testracker site downage 503 error?
[17:46] <tsimonq2> @Leokolb: I pinged the appropriate people, they're aware now.
[17:46] <tsimonq2> Thanks for the heads-up!
[17:49] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: what did I miss? IRC bouncer disconnected a few times I see.
[17:49] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Well, when it rains, it pours.
[17:49] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/708661
[17:49] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: And iso.qa.ubuntu.com is down
[17:50] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: And arm64 packages aren't updating on packages.ubuntu.com
[17:50] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: And I'm slowly running out of coffee.. :P
[17:51] <arraybolt3> Yuck XD
[17:54] <tsimonq2> Yeaaaaaaahp.
[17:57] <RikMills> the coffee is really bad news!
[17:57] <tsimonq2> Don't worry, I'll get some more over lunch. ;)
[17:58] <tsimonq2> RikMills: Thanks for taking the lead on that Launchpad question. I hope we get it solved in a timely manner!
[17:59] <tsimonq2> I'm told Eickmeyer is also aware.
[17:59] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: Rik specifically went to #ubuntustudio-devel to make us aware.
[17:59] <RikMills> I did
[17:59] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Just making sure you're still around XD
[17:59]  * tsimonq2 remembers aaronprisk aaronprisk aaronprisk aaronprisk ... from yesterday.... :P
[18:00]  * Eickmeyer checks his IRC client, johntravolta-pulpfiction-wtf.gif
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/a06b5a4e/helix_travolta.mp4
[18:01] <tsimonq2> @Leokolb: I say, until the Ubuntu QA team fixes the ISO QA tracker, since you've done the tests so many times you probably have them memorized, just keep submitting your results in the Ubuntu Quality channel. :P
[18:07] <arraybolt3> Gah, I forgot to fix theming last night while fixing the installer failure.
[18:09] <arraybolt3> And yeah, versions are cheap, but I bet server build power isn't. tsimonq2: can I push an update to gitea but not to LP, leave it marked unfinished, and then whoever touches the package and uploads it next will also end up uploading a theming fix? I know Debian does something like that.
 Off for the evening but back in the A.M. as usual..
[18:14] <tsimonq2> Be well, @Leokolb :)
[20:21] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: installer> Yes, that works.