[00:02] <almoxarife> Belial`: system settings/configure desktop > application appearance > gtk settings
[00:03] <Belial`> yeah, that's where gtk-configuration is.
[00:03] <Belial`> but is there a way to set custom icons that i downloaded? so far i haven't been able to.
[00:03] <Belial`> the drop down list doesn't list all the icon sets.
[00:04] <BarkingFish> but, I'll give it another shot.
[00:04] <BarkingFish> right, I've reconfigured kdm as default dm, I'm now going to stop lightDM and have another go.
[00:04] <BarkingFish> back in a tick
[00:04] <Belial`> maybe i need to put icons in /usr/share/icons for it to see them?
[00:07] <almoxarife> Belial`: you would be better off 'installing' the icon sets thru the 'install' process, then look for them
[00:08] <BarkingFish> I don't know what you did,or how, but KDM is working now,and so is VLC, gimp, usw. Thank you, Snowhog and almoxarife :D
[00:08] <BarkingFish> No more lightDM to content with :P
[00:08] <BarkingFish> Beats the hell out of me why they made it into the default
[00:08] <Belial`> almoxarife, well i have the kfaenza icon set installed through settings, but that's not showing in the drop down menu in gtk-configurator. i wasn't expecting it to though. i think i may have found the answer. it requires editing the gtk rc file.
[00:08] <Belial`> i'll give that a shot.
[00:09] <almoxarife> BarkingFish: you just need to re-install it :)
[00:10] <almoxarife> Belial`: not sure, i installed qtcurve for gtk and kde, nice uniform icon set that looks good on both, no more worries
[00:10] <BarkingFish> well I'm glad I did.  What possessed us to use a non KDE app as the dm for KDE?  Surely KDM is and *should be* the default for KDE.
[00:11] <Belial`> almoxarife, yeah, i was thinking about checking into that too. it's more or less the reason why i don't use firefox. oxygen kde for firefox breaks every time firefox updates, so i've been sticking with rekonq for now.
[00:13] <almoxarife> BarkingFish: there is a good reason to use lightdm, its centers on the screen, great if your nvidia card overscans on a big plasma screen, you still get to see the dm :) , one good use for lightdm
[00:13] <Snowhog> BarkingFish: See http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE2NTg
[01:00] <johnjacobjingerh> what happened to quanta plus? it's not in the repositories?
[01:09] <OerHeks> johnjacobjingerh, long time no see quanta+
[01:10] <OerHeks> http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/4.2.0/kdewebdev/quanta/ 3 years old ...
[01:19] <johnjacobjingerh> oh
[01:19] <johnjacobjingerh> damn
[01:19] <johnjacobjingerh> i am only just starting to use it
[01:20] <johnjacobjingerh> sooo... is there any way to get it
[01:20] <johnjacobjingerh> or is there something better for css website design
[01:23] <nafg> johnjacobjingerh: What are you looking for?
[01:26] <johnjacobjingerh> nafg quanta plus
[01:45] <sHIERO> moning all
[01:46] <oneadvent> hi sHIERO
[01:46] <sHIERO> hey...
[02:42] <nafg> johnjacobjingerh: Have you seen Kompozer?
[02:43] <nafg> johnjacobjingerh: Personally for WYSIWYG I've been doing something else recently.
[02:43] <nafg> I use a regular text editor, and livereload.
[02:44] <nafg> It's a script + browser plugin that lets you reload the browser page whenever you save the source file.
[02:44] <nafg> johnjacobjingerh: are you still there? :)
[02:45] <oneadvent> ok i have an odd problem,just realized. my middle click isn't working. any ideas on trouble shooting if it is a hardware or software problem
[02:45] <oneadvent> i really only use it in chrome...
[02:45] <nafg> oneadvent: By software you mean driver?
[02:45] <nafg> Or browser code?
[02:45] <nafg> javascript
[02:46] <oneadvent> yea, like the new 12.10 maybe removed the driver
[02:46] <oneadvent> or something...
[02:57] <oneadvent> ok used xinput and i get no response on middle click
[02:58] <oneadvent> i get it on all other button and scrolling and moving actions
[03:09] <oneadvent> arrrggg tried it on lappy, same result, think my mouse button broke :(
[03:13] <OerHeks> oneadvent, same here, middle mouse just scrolls the page. didn't miss it untill you just noticed it.
[03:23] <alex20032> Hi
[03:24] <alex20032> Last time i was here, people suggested me to use "dont remember the name" instead of muon software center
[03:26] <avihay> alex20032: what is synaptic ?
[03:27]  * OerHeks was thinkin about synaptic too
[03:27] <alex20032> no it was not synaptic
[03:27] <alex20032> I alway use synaptic
[03:27] <alex20032> Was something like easy to use software center like ubuntu
[03:28] <alex20032> You know, normally, we use ubuntu software center in combo with synaptic...
[03:28] <alex20032> Just dont remember what people suggested me to use in combo with synaptic
[03:28] <avihay> well, there's package-kit/apper, but I wouldn't recommend it
[03:28] <alex20032> yes, apper
[03:28] <alex20032> this name remember me something
[03:28] <avihay> apt-get?
[03:29] <alex20032> i am not talking about console command
[03:29] <alex20032> Why  you wouldnt recommend apper?
[03:30] <alex20032> I am looking for something better than muon software center
[03:30] <avihay> same reason I wouldn't recommend muon
[03:30] <alex20032> Muon software center dont have thing well sorted(category), top rated, popular download... I am looking for something like ubuntu software center made for kde
[03:32] <alex20032> But i dont want to install ubuntu software center, or it will install lot of dependance file
[03:32] <avihay> they both broke my system, a bit more often then I'd like. did so and told me everything was fine or gave me obscure error messages, and both don't provide the dpkg output, that would have alerted me to errors properly regardless of the gui's poor understanding of what's going on
[03:33] <alex20032> Normally, I use synaptic, but when i what to see, whats hot these time, whats cool... see picture, some info, and rating, popular program... then install with synaptic
[03:34] <alex20032> What about Linux Mint KDE, does it use Muon software center?
[03:38] <alex20032> Ok, mint look like to use a software center i will like more
[03:38] <OerHeks> I don't keep up with all ubuntu forks.
[03:38] <alex20032> But i never understood what is the difference with mint and ubuntu...
[03:39] <alex20032> *Except different desktop and software manager
[03:40] <alex20032> Well, except the main version instead of unity use Mate or cinamon, other version are, at my eye, ubuntu(Kubuntu->Linux mint KDE, Xubuntu->Linux mint XFCE....) with a different theme and software manager
[03:40] <alex20032> I can see what else is different
[03:42] <alex20032> Currently, there is 2 thing i didnt like with kubuntu: Last time i used it, KDE was unstable each time i was copying file(12.04) and also, the software manager. I guess with the new version of KDE, it should be resolved, but I still have a problem with the software manager
[03:49] <johnjacobjingerh> i dunno... i just installed KDE and it's terrible so far
[03:49] <johnjacobjingerh> the konsole crashed twice
[03:49] <johnjacobjingerh> and so did the web browser and all i did was load www.google.com
[03:51] <Jekyll> johnjacobjingerh: backtrace ?
[03:51] <johnjacobjingerh> didnt
[03:52] <johnjacobjingerh> just happened, i'm only using to test something for a sec
[04:52] <Sector7> Hello everybody :D
[05:37] <syria> Hi, I want to update from 12.04 to 12.10 but I get this error! http://im16.gulfup.com/RJX61.png
[05:39] <hateball> syria: What does it say if you click on details
[05:40] <syria> hateball:  It says "   Encountered a section with no Package: header"
[05:40] <xixor> hi everyone!
[05:45] <syria> hateball:  Do you have an idea what should I do please?
[05:45] <xixor> yo! Can anyone provide some tips for upgrading from 12.04 to 12.10 before I proceed?
[05:45] <hateball> syria: do you get the same result if you run this in a terminal: sudo apt-get update
[06:01] <noaXess> moring
[06:01] <noaXess> someone also uses citrix icaclient on 12.10?
[06:01] <noaXess> or.. ther question.. whats the package name for ms core fonts? i think i need them..
[06:03] <syria>  Hi, I want to update from 12.04 to 12.10 but I get this error! http://im16.gulfup.com/RJX61.png
[06:04] <noaXess> syria: what about running this command: sudo do-release-upgrade
[06:04] <syria> noaXess:  I will try it now.
[06:05] <syria> noaXess:  Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[06:05] <syria> No new release found !!!
[06:06] <syria> noaXess:  I am running under Kubuntu 12.04
[06:06] <noaXess> syria: so you need to enable normal releases upgrade in software sources..
[06:07] <syria> noaXess: How do I navigate to the software sources please?
[06:07] <syria> noaXess: Do I have to navigate to the file itself?
[06:08] <noaXess> syria: got to kmenu searc for software, take "muon software Center" and go to "Settings / Confogure Software Sources" and check this http://i.imgur.com/Qx55O.png
[06:10] <syria> noaXess: I cannot do anything after clicking okay, The update will close itself.
[06:10] <syria> noaXess: http://im16.gulfup.com/RJX61.png After clicking okay on the error message.
[06:10] <noaXess> hm... but you can open kmenu?
[06:11] <syria> noaXess: Yes.
[06:11] <noaXess> syria: open apper software center?
[06:11] <syria> but I cannot do anything with http://im16.gulfup.com/RJX61.png
[06:11] <syria> one moment please.
[06:12] <syria> noaXess: I am getting the same message in software center!  " The package system could not be initialized, your configuration may be broken."
[06:12] <noaXess> hm
[06:12] <noaXess> what are in details?
[06:13] <syria> noaXess: It says "   Encountered a section with no Package: header"
[06:13] <noaXess> syria: do a: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:13] <syria> Working....
[06:23] <Wizard> Hello.
[06:26] <syria> noaXess: Err http://dl.google.com stable/main i386 Packages !
[06:27] <syria> noaXess:  I have got some error messages ! 97% [20 Packages xz 0 B]/usr/bin/xz: (stdin): File format not recognized
[06:28] <syria> noaXess:  Please check this http://paste.ubuntu.com/1296854/
[07:42] <noaXess> what is default sftware manager/updater in kubuntu 12.10? muon or apper?
[07:42] <Wizard> Muon.
[07:46] <noaXess> Wizard: so i can remove or just disable apper?
[07:51] <syria> noaXess:  Hey
[07:52] <noaXess> syria: hey. sorry. got own prolems with my debugging system after upgrade to 12.10.. but fixed now ;)
[07:52] <noaXess> you fixed sours=
[07:52] <noaXess> yours
[07:52] <syria> noaXess: No worries :)... i had a problem>>> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1296854/
[07:52] <noaXess> syria: seams there is a google repo problem
[07:53] <noaXess> you disabled google repo?
[07:53] <syria> noaXess:  I don't remember doing this! but few days ago the update operation was not successful, because I lost the internet suddenly.
[07:54] <noaXess> syria: do a sudo apt-get -f install
[07:54] <noaXess> whats the output
[07:55] <syria> noaXess:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1296942/
[07:57] <noaXess> syria: ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/ | grep talkplugin
[07:58] <syria> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1296946/
[07:58] <syria> noaXess: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1296946/
[08:00] <noaXess> syria: hm.. don't know what happend if you move all those talkplugin files and rerun sudo apt-get update.. may they should be regenerated..
[08:00] <noaXess> i would move them to a temp dir and run: sudo apt-get update
[08:00] <noaXess> and reckeck the files with ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/ | grep talkplugin
[08:01] <syria> noaXess:  I will try it.
[08:04] <syria> noaXess:  I cannot move the files seems like it needs permission, I am using the default file manager "Dolphin"
[08:05] <noaXess> syria: do it with sudo ;)
[08:06] <syria> noaXess:  Using the graphical user interfaces is making me lazy! :P
[08:06] <noaXess> sudo mv file newfiel ;)
[08:07] <noaXess> file
[08:08] <syria> noaXess:  Do I have to move the files in this location ? /var/lib/apt/lists/ or this one please? /var/lib/apt/lists/partial ?
[08:11] <noaXess> syria: move it to your home folder or /tmp: sudo mv dl.google.com_linux_talkplugin_deb_dists_stable_* /tmp
[08:11] <noaXess> better sudo mv /var/lib/apt/lists/dl.google.com_linux_talkplugin_deb_dists_stable_*
[08:12] <noaXess> this is it: sudo mv /var/lib/apt/lists/dl.google.com_linux_talkplugin_deb_dists_stable_* /tmp
[08:12] <noaXess> grrr
[08:12] <syria> noaXess: It works!!!
[08:13] <noaXess> syria: now: sudo apt-get update
[08:13] <syria> noaXess:  okay
[08:13] <noaXess> and then: ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/ | grep talkplugin
[08:14] <syria> noaXess:  After this command only, sudo mv /var/lib/apt/lists/dl.google.com_linux_talkplugin_deb_dists_stable_* /tmp ,,, I have received a system notification telling me that security updates are available, then in konsole sudo apt-get update
[08:15] <noaXess> does last command success?
[08:15] <syria> Now I am waiting, If it didn't work, I will move all the files.
[08:15] <noaXess> syria: only talkplugin files have problems
[08:15] <syria> noaXess:  Still working, 100% [Waiting for headers]                                         255 B/s 0s
[08:15] <syria> I have a very slow INTERNET  connection.
[08:16] <syria> Yeah I mean move all the files related to google talk.
[08:16] <noaXess> with above move command all talkplugin files are moved ;)
[08:17] <syria> aaaah I see!!
[08:18] <syria> noaXess:  Google doesn't allow Syrians to use most of all its services.
[08:19] <noaXess> syria: okeee.. so you can't use talkplugin?
[08:20] <syria> noaXess:  No! it is completely useless, Removing it is easier than fixing the problem right?
[08:20] <noaXess> syria: yes.. you need to remove it and also remove the software repo in software sources
[08:21] <noaXess> syria: the package name is: google-talkplugin
[08:21] <syria> "sudo apt-get remove google-talkplugin"
[08:21] <noaXess> you should remove it with: sudo apt-get remove google-talkplugin
[08:21] <noaXess> yeah ;)
[08:21] <syria> Okay
[08:24] <syria> noaXess: I have removed the plugin and the source and now i am waiting for the output of apt-get update
[08:25] <syria> noaXess:  This is how it ended >>> Reading package lists... Done
[08:25] <syria>  I guess we are fine now. :)
[08:25] <noaXess> syria: fine .. now do the sudo apt-get upgrade to ugprade latest packages.. after that you can run the release upgrade over software manager.. or over console with sudo do-release-upgrade
[08:27] <syria> noaXess:  Now I am waiting for the output of sudo do-release-upgrade
[08:28] <noaXess> syria: thing it will take long time to upgrade 12.10
[08:29] <syria> noaXess:  Yeah sure, Thank you very much for your time. :)
[08:29] <noaXess> syria: your welcome ;)
[09:39] <bux> hi there,
[09:40] <bux> I have a data folder in my /home and I like to mount it as /data/
[09:40] <bux> should I use mount cooamnd for that ?
[09:41] <bux> command *
[09:42] <navlelo> you could just symlink it
[09:45] <dogweather> bux: the --bind option to mount does this.
[09:46] <dogweather> Symlinking works as well; there'll be slight differences in how the directories appear under these two methods.
[09:57] <bux> dogweather: yes, but I have this issue
[09:57] <bux> mount: mount point /data/ does not exist
[10:02] <dogweather> Not a problem. Become superuser, then create it.
[11:04] <root5_all_SYS> !backtrack
[11:04] <akis> i am running on xubuntu some kde apps. any idea why skanlite cannot scan images in grey/color mode (i take a smudged image) but it can scan perfectly at lineart mode. SimpleScan nca alos perfectly scan b/w and color images. any advise?
[11:05] <root5_all_SYS> !help
[11:06] <oepra> hello, i've just upgraded to kubuntu 12.10, and i'm now getting a black screen when i start vmware
[11:07] <gardian> i have a login screen problem; my login screen a blue (like the blue of the bsod) and it's very buggy; how can i fix that? (i'm on 12.10)
[11:07] <root5_all_SYS> hi, i want to backup my Operating system, what is the procedure please?
[11:11] <Wizard> root5_all_SYS: There is wide range of backup tools available.
[11:11] <Wizard> From simple to very robust server solutions.
[11:11] <Wizard> If you want to clone your os, clonezilla should be enough.
[11:14] <root5_all_SYS> hi, i want to backup my Operating system, what is the procedure please?
[11:15] <hateball> !backup | root5_all_SYS
[11:15] <FlyingElvis> root5_all_SYS: best thing to do is put your entire home folder on another drive
[11:16] <FlyingElvis> the rest of it is expendable IMO if you have a copy of the iso
[11:16] <hateball> Separating /home on another partition/drive is not making a backup of things, even if it's a good idea.
[11:17] <root5_all_SYS> FlyingElvis: i want to backup with my installed programs, getting internet connection is very dear where i am living
[11:17] <FlyingElvis> ahh then read ubottu
[11:17] <hateball> root5_all_SYS: If you have drivespace, I like clonezilla for doing that
[11:17] <hateball> just dump the entire drive/partition to an image you can restore
[11:18] <root5_all_SYS> hateball: how?
[11:19] <root5_all_SYS> how to make an image?
[11:19] <hateball> root5_all_SYS: here is a nice start http://clonezilla.org/general-live-use.php
[11:30] <root5_all_SYS> my main hard drive is mounted on /, is i partition it without backuping my os , am i going to lose evrething?
[11:37] <L1nk_error_404> my main hard drive is mounted on /, is i partition it without backuping my os , am i going to lose evrething?
[11:37] <Peace-> L1nk_error_404: mm?
[11:37] <yofel> L1nk_error_404: you're only on the safe side with backups. But if you select the current / disk as the new one *without* formatting, it should only erase the OS and keep at least /home intact if that's on the same partition
[11:38] <Peace-> L1nk_error_404: if you install the new system in your harddriver it willl ask you to format
[11:38] <yofel> L1nk_error_404: if you re-partition you will loose all data
[11:40] <L1nk_error_404> grrrrrrrrrrr, thanks to all of you
[11:40] <L1nk_error_404> !thanks
[11:41] <L1nk_error_404> !i know you are a bot
[11:41] <L1nk_error_404> hihi
[11:41] <kroson> Hi, can anyone use libreoffice plugin in Firefox, so it opens document, presentation... files embedded? Thanks
[12:47] <swex_> hello everybody
[12:48] <swex_> after upgrade my kubuntu to 12.10 I've got mouse and keyboard turn off
[12:48] <swex_> and I have to restart X to get them work again
[12:48] <swex_> where to explore issue? any log file etc?
[12:49] <noaXess> swex_: hey and welcome
[12:49] <noaXess> swex_: are you on a notebook?
[12:49] <swex_> I'm login remotely and see keyboard and mouse in lsusb but they dont response to my actions
[12:49] <swex_> noaXess, no desktop pc
[12:50] <noaXess> swex_: hm.. strange...
[12:51] <noaXess> swex_: tail -f /var/log/syslog
[12:51] <swex_> nothing useful in there..
[12:51] <noaXess> swex_: and then unplug keyboard and replug again.. whats the output?
[12:52] <swex_> noaXess, kernel sees them but they kind of hooked by X
[12:52] <swex_> and dont response to me untill I restart X
[12:53] <noaXess> swex_: hm....
[12:57] <swex_> noaXess, so no X experts?))
[12:57] <noaXess> swex_: yre you using /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[12:57] <swex_> no
[12:59] <natman> Hi, i am unable to shut down my pc using kubuntu
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:14] <Nine_9> hey guys, saturday I`ve updated all the packages then shutdown the pc, today when i turned it on, before the splash screen it displayed a dialog and the network and sound devices doesn`t work. I`m on live cd right now.
[13:16] <Nine_9> every time i start it displays a dialog before the splash screen, and after it it asks if i want to remove my audio devices. The network manager says there`s no network interface
[13:16] <Nine_9> can somebody help me please (insert interrogation point here)
[13:16] <Peace-> mm
[13:17] <Nine_9> bad kd layout
[13:17] <Nine_9> kb
[13:17] <Peace-> Nine_9: your audio is working ?
[13:17] <Peace-> or not?
[13:17] <Nine_9> Peace-: with the live distro yes
[13:17] <Peace-> Nine_9: i mean with the system
[13:17] <Peace-> = no livecd
[13:17] <Nine_9> nope, it doesn`t even detect the interface
[13:18] <Nine_9> and the kernel is the same
[13:18] <Peace-> Nine_9: ok so the kernel is your problem
[13:18] <Peace-> mmm?
[13:18] <Peace-> how can be the same if you have upgraded?
[13:18] <Nine_9> only linux related stuff that i installed is linux-firmwares
[13:19] <Peace-> have you tried with an older kernel ?
[13:19] <Nine_9> i have updated all packages, but there was no kernel update
[13:19] <Peace-> have yoou tried with a new fresh user?
[13:19] <Nine_9> i also have tried an older kernel
[13:19] <Nine_9> Peace-: nope.
[13:19] <Nine_9> nope for the new user
[13:19] <natman> Hi, i am unable to shut down my pc using kubuntu
[13:20] <Nine_9> should i try a new user?
[13:20] <Peace-> Nine_9: try it just to figure out faster
[13:20] <Nine_9> Peace-: ok. be back in a moment
[13:20] <Peace-> Nine_9: sudo adduser testuser
[13:21] <Peace-> natman:     qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer logout 0 2 0  this close your computer
[13:21] <BluesKaj> natman, did you try logging out then choosing shutdown
[13:21] <Peace-> natman: try that from konsole
[13:21] <BluesKaj> or sudo halt
[13:22] <natman> BluesKaj: Peace-, hi bottom of thread is attached pic of what happens when i try shutdown -h now from konsole
[13:22] <Peace-> natman: ?
[13:23] <natman> Peace-:  sorry http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?60591-Unable-to-shut-down!
[13:23] <natman> Peace-:  is my thread
[13:23] <Peace-> natman: i am not login in
[13:23] <Peace-> i can 't see it
[13:23] <BluesKaj> natman, are you reading our answers ?
[13:24] <natman> BluesKaj:  i tried the log out and shutdown, gives the same problem
[13:24] <Peace-> natman:     qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer logout 0 2 0
[13:24] <Peace-> natman:     qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer logout 0 2 0
[13:24] <Peace-> natman:     qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer logout 0 2 0
[13:24] <FloodBotK1> Peace-: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:25] <Peace-> xD
[13:25] <BluesKaj> nat did you try Peace- , command in the terminal ?
[13:25] <BluesKaj> nat
[13:25] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i guess yes :D
[13:26] <Peace-> BluesKaj: 5:24] <-- natman has left this server (Quit: Konversation terminated!).
[13:26] <BluesKaj> looks that way
[13:26] <BluesKaj> yeah
[13:26] <Smurphy> Anyone tested KUbuntu on a Geforce GTX660Ti  yet ?
[13:26] <Smurphy> Guess I'll ne checking it out next week - on my Gaming machine :)
[13:27] <BluesKaj> oh yeah ..we have so many ppl with that card ?
[13:29] <natman> Peace-: BluesKaj hi back again, ya that command gave the same issue, stalls on shutdown at gre kubuntu logo
[13:31] <BluesKaj> natman, what about Peace- 's command ?
[13:32] <natman> BluesKaj:  It turned my laptop 'off', when i got to the shutdown screen ( gey Kubuntu logo ) it just stalls, and i had to power off by pressing the power button
[13:36] <BluesKaj> natman, I'll ask once more and rephrase. Which command did you use ?
[13:36] <Nine_9> hello guys. Nope, i`ve tried another user and the same thing.
[13:37] <natman> BluesKaj: qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer logout 0 2 0
[13:37] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:37] <BluesKaj> natman, did you try sudo halt , ?
[13:38] <natman> BluesKaj:  yes, it also gives the same problem
[13:38] <Nine_9> after loggin in a message appears complaining that it ``can`t open ConsoleKit session, setuid permission is not correct``
[13:39] <Nine_9> on the network manager it says "network manager is not running" but i`ve tried starting it both with "init.d/ntework-manger start" and "start network-manager" but doesn`t work
[13:40] <Nine_9> any help?
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Nine_9, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[13:41] <BluesKaj> or start
[13:41] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: ok. i'm lemme try that. thanks.
[13:44] <Peace-> natman: you need to tweak your kernel line
[13:44] <Peace-> natman: i guess i can't see your pic
[13:44] <Peace-> natman: so i am not sure
[13:44] <natman> Peace-: ill past it up for you
[13:47] <natman> paste.kde.org wont load for me, where should i post my pic?
[13:47] <Peace-> natman: ubuntu stuff
[13:50] <natman> Peace-:  BluesKaj http://tinypic.com/r/2ij2f79/6
[13:51] <Peace-> natman: did you mount something not very well ?
[13:52] <natman> Peace-:  nope, all i did was upgrade from 12.04, it all went well then this happens, ( tried shutting down loads of times since, gte the error every time )
[13:52] <Peace-> natman: try thsi sudo stop lightdm & sudo shutdown -h now
[13:52] <natman> Peace-:  ok, brb
[13:54] <Nine_9> Nope, it doesn`t work. It don`t even mount usb devices automatically anymore. It changed the keyboard layout. Is there a way to install packages from the usb device like if it was a CD?
[13:54] <Nine_9> what a disastrous update
[13:55] <Peace-> Nine_9: mm
[13:55] <Peace-> Nine_9: so it's not a user related problem
[13:55] <Peace-> but a system problem
[13:56] <natman> Peace-:  ya same problem, after i ran the command the following appeared before asking for my password " [1] 2773"
[13:58] <Nine_9> is there a way to revert back some packages to the ones in usb
[13:58] <Nine_9> ?
[13:58] <Peace-> mm revert back ?
[13:58] <Nine_9> the muon manager has a wizard to add repo from cdrom, is there a way to add from usb drive?
[13:59] <natman> Peace-:  back to 12.04?
[14:00] <Nine_9> or a way to revert the system to the state it was before the latest update?
[14:00] <BluesKaj> Nine_9, sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[14:00] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: i`ve tried that already.
[14:00] <Peace-> natman:  dmesg | grep -i "mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)"
[14:00] <BluesKaj> Nine_9, you mentioned a usb , usb what ?
[14:01] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: usb drive
[14:02] <natman> Peace-:  output was http://paste.ubuntu.com/1297552/
[14:02] <Peace-> natman: not sure but read this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2008576
[14:02] <Nine_9> man, the worst thing is when network doesn`t work on linux.
[14:03] <Peace-> Nine_9: iwconfig
[14:04] <BluesKaj> Nine_9, ok , sudo dhclient eth0
[14:04] <Nine_9> Peace-: isn`t that for wireless?
[14:04] <Peace-> Nine_9:  iwconfig  | pastebinit
[14:04] <Peace-> Nine_9: do it
[14:04] <BluesKaj> yes it wifi
[14:04] <Nine_9> my network is wired
[14:04] <Peace-> Nine_9: do it
[14:04] <natman> Peace-:  okay, sounds complicated, will read it and try later
[14:05] <Peace-> Nine_9: or fix by yourself then
[14:05] <Peace-> dude i have to go no time to answer
[14:05] <BluesKaj> Nine_9, ok try , sudo dhclient eth0 , this should work
[14:05] <Nine_9> Peace-: ok thanks.
[14:06] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: lemme try.
[14:06] <BluesKaj> Peace-, no need to be rude
[14:06] <Peace-> ...
[14:06] <Peace-> ok bye
[14:07] <BluesKaj> iwconfig  just gives no wirelkess extensions on a wired connection
[14:08] <Peace-> BluesKaj: if eth0 is recognized shoul dbe in the list
[14:08] <Peace-> if not you have not in the list
[14:09] <BluesKaj> ifconfig is what he needs
[14:10] <Peace-> try iwconfig
[14:10] <Peace-> you will se your eth
[14:10] <sailor_scott> Hi everyone, I'm trying to use a s/mime cert in kmail but I'm getting a red cross when I select it in the identity settings. Can anyone help?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> I see your ppoint Peace- , you could have explained that instead of the other thing you said
[14:10] <Peace-> like i said before no time
[14:10] <Peace-> bye :P
[14:11] <BluesKaj> Peace-, still no reason to be rude
[14:14] <Nine_9> here are the returns of the commands: http://paste.kde.org/577682/
[14:21] <Nine_9> here is the dpkg log> http://paste.kde.org/577694/
[14:22] <Nine_9> I`m thinking about reinstalling the entire system.
[14:23] <Nine_9> the problem is... I`ll have to keep using an outdated version of it, because there`s no way to know when shit will happen, and if it happens, there`s no easy way to revert that.
[14:23] <BluesKaj> Nine_9, your ethernet connection isn't even recognized , run lspci and look for something like this , 00:07.0 Bridge: NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 Ethernet (rev a2)
[14:24] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: isn`t it easier to reinstall the entire thing? Because there are more things that doesn`t work. If it were only the ethernet, but the entire system is broken.
[14:25] <Nine_9> I dunno why i had this dumb idea to update something that was working perfectly well.
[14:26] <Nine_9> I blame the update manager though.
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Nine_9, that's your call , but if we knew the kernel module/driver your NIC needs then the networking problem should be eassily fixed . If this is an older pc I suggest the ' alternate install  '
[14:27] <BluesKaj> if a clean install is what you intend
[14:28] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: wait... I can run that command from the live system right?
[14:28] <BluesKaj> Nine_9, yes
[14:29] <BluesKaj> have you updated upgraded the system since the install ?
[14:29] <Nine_9> kubuntu@kubuntu:~$ lspci | grep Ethernet 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR8151 v1.0 Gigabit Ethernet (rev c0)
[14:29] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: nope, just some packages.
[14:30] <Nine_9> i`ve installed it this month
[14:30] <Nine_9> sorry, upgrade != update. so nope
[14:31] <BluesKaj> yeah kind of difficult without an internet connection
[14:33] <march84> hello everyone
[14:34] <march84> i have found a bug in 12.10 but no idea how to search for it or how to report it
[14:36] <L3top> !bug
[14:36] <BluesKaj> Nine_9,  try loading the atheros module : sudo modprobe atl1e  , thiis might do the trick
[14:37] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: ok. however, i wonder why there are so many "half-installed" packages in dpkg log
[14:37] <march84> when i unplug/plug power supply or the battery is fully charged, i found all the mounted partition (/home, /windows,/whatever) mounted but not accessible
[14:37] <march84> and not unmountable either (busy)
[14:37] <march84> only way to solve is rebooting
[14:37] <march84> how can i "name" this bug
[14:37] <Nine_9> anyway, lemme try that
[14:42] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: yeah! It works! Thank you man!
[14:42] <BluesKaj> cool , Nine_9  :)
[14:43] <BluesKaj> now you can run your updates and upgrades , Nine_9
[14:43] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: yeah, and the module was atl1c in fact
[14:43] <Nine_9> atl1e didn't work
[14:44] <BluesKaj> how did you dind the correct module ?
[14:44] <BluesKaj> find
[14:44] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: well. i was going to try all atheros modules (atlXXX) the second one i've tried after atl1e was atl1c and it worked :) heh
[14:45] <BluesKaj> ok good
[14:46] <SIR_Taco_> ath5k or ath9k don't work?
[14:46] <Nine_9> i'm gonna disable all the non official repos and also the backports one and update/downdate everything
[14:46] <Nine_9> SIR_Taco_: nope
[14:46] <SIR_Taco_> weird
[14:46] <Nine_9> mine is atheros 8151
[14:46] <SIR_Taco_> ah
[14:46] <Nine_9> ar8151
[14:52] <Nine_9> is there a program or something that allows you to "restore" the system to a previous state?
[14:52] <Nine_9> It would be useful imho. So I could create a backup of the working system before updating
[14:53] <BluesKaj> Nine_9, have you run the updates and upgrades to finish the half installed packages
[14:53] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: running right now
[14:53] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:54] <Nine_9> you know, a kind of system backup helper, but for the system itself, disconsidering /home
[14:54] <BluesKaj> you'll probly find your setup will work fully afterwards, 12.10 is pretty stable
[14:56] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: but I'm using the lts version (12.04) should i upgrade the entire thing to 12.10?
[14:56] <Nine_9> LTS
[14:56] <Nine_9> i was planning to keep using the LTS
[14:57] <Nine_9> until the next LTS. I wasn't planning to use these rapid release versions
[14:58] <Nine_9> but if it's more stable it's not a bad idea to upgrade i think.
[14:58] <BluesKaj> Nine_9, it has a longer support period , and if you require that for work or home office etc then yes it is a good idea to stay on 12.04LTS
[14:58] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: ok.
[15:14] <Fifo> hi everybody
[15:15] <Fifo>
[15:16] <Fifo> HI
[15:17] <march84> hi
[15:20] <Fifo> hi
[15:26] <ggggguest> hi
[15:30] <ggggguest> Could someone please help me out. I just upgraded to Kubuntu 12.10 and in muon and in the software center searching for packages only gives very limited results. i couldn't find the package for synaptic or mdam for example. had to apt-get them. synaptic's quick search is the same, the only thing that works is the search button in synaptic. anything else won't display the packages i search for
[15:30] <Peace->  ggggguest apt-cache search stuff
[15:31] <Peace-> ggggguest: just do an alias for that
[15:32] <ggggguest> isn't it possible to search for the packages with a graphical client like muon anymore in 12.10? it used to work fine in 12.04. i'm on a fresh install by the way.
[15:32] <Peace-> ggggguest: i guess you can but idon't use it btw
[15:33] <Peace-> i find konsole faster
[15:34] <Peace-> ggggguest: i find synaptic btw in muon ... http://wstaw.org/m/2012/10/22/plasma-desktopl23480.png
[15:34] <ggggguest> Peace: i see. i prefer browsing through the packages with muon or synaptic
[15:36] <Nine_9> okay, it took some decades, but now it's installed and i'm going to restart to see if it works
[15:36]  * Nine_9 cross fingers
[15:36] <march84> i have mount problems since 12.10
[15:36] <ggggguest> Peace:  thanks for checking it out on your machine! looks like it's working perfectly for you.
[15:39] <Nine_9> yay! it works!
[15:39] <Nine_9> BluesKaj: thank you very much! You're really an awesome kubuntu guru :D
[15:40] <Nine_9> it was just a matter of running "apt-get install -f"
[15:40] <Nine_9> as superuser o'course
[15:40] <Nine_9> after disabling those repos also
[15:40] <BluesKaj> no I'm not a guru , just a guy who's glad to see ppl using open source :)
[15:41] <Nine_9> a humble guru :D
[15:41] <BluesKaj> yeah , sometimes the dependencies get broken and a quick re-upgrade is in order
[15:43] <ggggguest> Peace: really strange
[15:43] <ggggguest> Peace: i can only see the packages: Muon and the xserver driver for synaptics
[15:55] <Fifo> hi
[15:57] <ggggguest> Peace: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/827/snapshot1sd.jpg/ that what it looks like here
[15:59] <Nine_9> What's the irc client in Peace's screenshot?
[16:02] <ggggguest> webchat.freenode.net
[16:03] <ggggguest> webirc by freenode because my quassel kept crashing
[16:03] <Nine_9> oh noes, web-based irc client! :B
[16:04] <ggggguest> Nine_9: horrible!
[16:04] <Nine_9> but i was talkin bout the client here: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/10/22/plasma-desktopl23480.png
[16:04] <Nine_9> quassel works very well here
[16:04] <Fifo> but i think i finally fixed quassel now (me=gggggeust)
[16:05] <Fifo> oh i thought you ment my screenshot
[16:06] <Fifo> i still haven't figured out why i can't find my packages
[16:07] <Nine_9> i can find synaptic here, but i agree it's hard to find some packages in muon
[16:08] <Nine_9> for example, nm-appled
[16:08] <Fifo> i don't get why i can't find it...
[16:08] <Fifo> can't find gnome-disk-utility either
[16:09] <Nine_9> when i type gnome-disk the first item that appears is  gnome-disk-utility
[16:12] <Fifo> not here. not in synaptic. not in muon. not in software center
[16:12] <Nine_9> =/
[16:13] <Nine_9> that's why i almost always use apt-get and tab-completion :)
[16:14] <Nine_9> a good search tool would be useful though, sometimes you forget the packages names
[16:14] <Fifo> but i find it hard to find software that i don't know the name of that way
[16:14] <Fifo> exactly what i meant
[16:15] <Fifo> i'll try a restart
[16:15] <Nine_9> last time i checked the search in synaptic (not the quick filtering one) were pretty good
[16:29] <Nine_9> #games
[16:29] <Nine_9> wrong channel
[16:32] <Fifo> no luck
[16:33] <Fifo> refreshed packages a gazillion times..
[16:34] <Fifo> no clue how to make this work. repo settings look good
[16:34] <_jam> Fifo: i just joined, you having issues upgrading?
[16:35] <Fifo> i did a fresh install of 12.10; now i can't see most of the packages when serching for them in muon, software center and synaptic
[16:36] <_jam> n/m then. good luck
[16:36] <Fifo> for example i couldn't find synaptic in muon - had to install via commandline
[16:36] <Fifo> n/m?
[16:37] <Fifo> _jam: n/m?
[16:40] <OerHeks> Fifo, n/m = short for never mind.
[17:11] <Fifo> OerHeks thanks
[17:11] <Nine_9> Fifo: synaptic search tool isn't working properly also?
[17:11] <Nine_9> not the quick filter thing
[17:11] <Fifo> the quicksearch is not working
[17:11] <Fifo> the search is
[17:12] <Fifo> sorry it's called quick filter
[17:13] <Fifo> i still couldn't figure out what's wrong
[17:13] <Fifo> maybe i'll do another fresh install of kubuntu and hope it wont't be there any more
[17:14] <Nine_9> maybe it's a cache problem dunno if it makes sense because i think every package manager has its own independent search engine
[17:14] <Nine_9> try to clean apt cache
[17:19] <Fifo> you're a genius!!
[17:20] <Fifo> it's working again! thank you so much Nine_9
[17:20] <Wizard> :D
[17:20] <Nine_9> nope, i'm not a genius. I'm glad it worked :)
[18:06] <ptomblin> After the upgrade, my email isn't getting delivered to /var/mail/ any more.  Instead, I see the following in my logs: /usr/lib/dovecot/deliver -c /etc/dovecot/conf.d/01-mail-stack-delivery.conf -m "${EXTENSION}"
[18:06] <ptomblin> How do I get my email?
[18:14] <Wizard> ptomblin: Do you use dovecot on Kubuntu o_O?
[18:15] <ptomblin> Yes, but up until I upgraded, it was great because it didn't mess with the way I stored email (so local users could use mutt and remote users could use imap)
[18:15] <ptomblin> but now it's hiding my email somewhere else, and even my imap users can't find it.
[18:16] <Wizard> Hmm.. Have you checked package changelog?
[18:16] <Wizard> Maybe there is some info about it :)
[18:16] <Wizard> Than, check this config files.
[18:16] <Wizard> s/files/file/g
[18:16] <ptomblin> Where would I find that?  I'm used to Debian, where they don't change the entire way the package works without some sort of option to keep the old config.
[18:18] <Wizard> They do, sometimes.
[18:19] <Wizard> Check /etc/dovecot/conf.d/01-mail-stack-delivery.conf
[18:20] <ptomblin> I can't find the option called "totally_fuck_up_your_users_email"
[18:23] <bazhang> ptomblin, no cursing here
[18:23] <shadeslayer> !language > ptomblin
[18:24] <shadeslayer> ptomblin: and apt-get changelog foobar will get you the changelog for foobar
[18:27] <ptomblin> The changelog doesn't mention "move people's email from mbox to maildir, but don't tell imap about the change so it's still looking in the mbox"
[18:30] <Wizard> This is funny :)
[18:34] <ptomblin> It appears this package "mail-stack-delivery" make some really annoying changes to my postfix configuration as well, including stripping out some of my spam protections.
[18:34] <ptomblin> Way to go, Kubuntu.
[18:35] <shadeslayer> ptomblin: not Kubuntu's fault really
[18:36] <shadeslayer> blame dovecot packaging, Kubuntu has nothing to do with dovecot
[18:38] <ptomblin> I think I'm going back to Debian - they know how to do an upgrade without breaking everything.
[18:40] <Wizard> Brave words.
[18:49] <Quintasan> ptomblin: FYI I do not think Kubuntu Developers are responsible for any changes to that package. It would be far more productive to report a bug against that package (if you are sure that a change in that package broke the whole thing) to let people know about possible problems instead of implying that we are incompetent
[18:50] <ptomblin> Right now, my priority is to get email working again for my users.  I'll consider a bug report when I have things working like they did before the upgrade.
[18:55] <Quintasan> ptomblin: You might as well try asking in #ubuntu-devel
[20:46] <alesan> hi
[20:46] <alesan> I use kubuntu, with all the effects disabled etc
[20:47] <alesan> do you think an AMD card that I want to buy will work? I will be connecting 3 monitors to it
[21:07] <artao> hai .. how can I completely disable a piece of hardware? the digital audio on my graphics card keeps taking over from the mobo audio ... i won't be using the video card's audio any time in the forseeable future, so I want it gone
[21:12] <maxstyvason> what happened to all the emulators in the repositories?
[21:12] <maxstyvason> am I the only one who noticed them missing?
[21:23] <rozmuq> hi. when i'm trying to install something, i get many errors.. http://pastebin.com/8Li15u4K
[21:24] <maxstyvason> looks like the downlaoded package is in shambles
[21:25] <maxstyvason> try another repository
[21:46] <maxstyvason> haha in mario all stars 9-4 it has japanese text in the english version
[21:47] <maxstyvason> wew a2
[21:47] <maxstyvason> whats the furthest anyone has ever made it in this game
[22:06] <DarthFrog> artao: you can disable it in pulseaudio, using (I think) pavucontrol.
[22:31] <artao> i'll try that DarthFrog
[22:44] <artao> well. that seems to have disabled it, for now.
[22:44] <artao> now to see if it persists
[22:45] <jmichaelx> are there any xorg-edgers users here?
[22:45] <dougl> xorg-edgers?
[22:46] <jmichaelx> if you don't know what it is, you're not using it
[22:47] <artao> that appears to have worked DarthFrog .. that which previously triggered the audio takover no longer does
[22:47] <artao> i suppoe i should logout-in to save those settings
[22:48] <dougl> ah - so must mean you dont have time to explain... if ya talked about it more the channel would have more opportunity to help you.
[22:48] <dougl> jmichaelx, ^^^
[22:50] <dougl> jmichaelx, I always try to chat about issues, even when I know nothing about them... eventually the channel starts then we all learn something... thats just me tho - best of luck to you ::)
[22:51] <jmichaelx> dougl: many thanks for your helpful attitude, but i really only wanted to know whether anyone else was using that PPA.
[22:52] <dougl> jmichaelx, cheers...
[22:53] <jmichaelx> dougl: the bigger issue i am working on, is trying to get nvidia + vdpau working. it winds up being broken a good deal of the time.
[22:54] <dougl> jmichaelx, I thot vdpau was out long enough that it would be working without a hitch - sorry to hear about the trouble...
[22:55] <jmichaelx> vdpau has not worked for me (on three machines, with three different nvidia cards) at release, for the last three kubuntu releases
[22:55] <jmichaelx> dougl: no, it's broken much of the time
[22:56] <dougl> I was looking forward to vdpau when I was interested in media center since then have not tried to keep up or had any interest...
[22:56] <dougl> that sucks
[22:56] <jmichaelx> dougl: i think it mostly sucks that proprietary drivers are involved
[22:57] <dougl> jmichaelx, that always seems to be at the root of the issue... all comes back to that.
[22:57] <jmichaelx> yep. it sure does
[22:58] <dougl> are the opensource drivers ever gonna support vdpau?
[22:58] <jmichaelx> i seriously doubt it, but who knows. i think that would depend a lot on whether or not nvidia would ever open up more of their specs
[23:00] <dougl> jmichaelx, yeah - not likely... if they are gonna be so closed minded maybe they should make a Nvidia Linux - err maybe not.
[23:01] <jmichaelx> dougl: i'm surprised that you've never heard of the xorg-edgers PPA. it provides a newer xorg and drivers (both free and closed) than what are found in the repos... but it is also a 'use at your own risk' kind of a deal. for me, their packages *usually* work MUCH better that the packages provided by ubuntu
[23:01] <dougl> just do a better job on the drivers is better spent.
[23:02] <dougl> jmichaelx, I am stock out of the box these days... work is very time consuming - I want to be able to get up an running in less that 4 hours if need be...
[23:03] <jmichaelx> using both ubuntu's repos, and the exorg-edgers PPA, i find that i will get VDPAU working, but then it will break again at the next upgrade.
[23:03] <dougl> jmichaelx, doh! damn upgrades.
[23:03] <jmichaelx> dougl: yea, but playing high def does not work out of the box on much of anything i have... without VDPAU
[23:05] <dougl> jmichaelx, when I got the new job I bought appletv for entertainment... computers are just for youtube and facebook and sound and printer server...
[23:05] <dougl> HD does not work or gives your cpu a hernia?
[23:05] <jmichaelx> dougl: i understand what you're saying, but it really is not supposed to be that way
[23:06] <dougl> ah - re read = better understanding
[23:06] <jmichaelx> dougl: it does not work. audio & video wind up wau out of sync... CPU usage goes very high... it's ridiculous
[23:06] <dougl> right
[23:06] <jmichaelx> way*
[23:07] <artao> well. ... logging out crashed .. i gotta remember to unplug my dictaphone and camera before doing that .. but the disabled hdmi audio remained disabled, and the mobo audio is still in charge ... so YAY
[23:07] <jmichaelx> good video performance in linux is still a very problematic thing
[23:08] <dougl> jmichaelx, not sure what to say here regarding the channel chiming in on our chat...
[23:08] <dougl> everyone is sleeping today.
[23:09] <dougl> supper time here - gotta run.
[23:10] <dougl> jmichaelx, you take care and save some hair to pull out next upgrade... seriously - good luck
[23:10] <jmichaelx> dougl: ok, bon appetit!
[23:12] <jmichaelx> what's bad, is that i had vdpau working, using xorg-ppa packages. at that point, i should have commented out that PPA in sources.list....    but instead, i let it upgrade again... now VDPAU is broken
[23:15] <jmichaelx> the words torvalds had for nvidia a few months back were none too strong
[23:15] <isaac> does anyone know where to obtain  libjpeg.so.8 please?
[23:16] <tsimpson> !find libjpeg.so.8
[23:18] <isaac> and just what package would that be?
[23:18] <tsimpson> isaac: libjpeg-turbo8 is the package name
[23:18] <isaac> Okie. Thanks.
[23:18] <tsimpson> you should have it already though
[23:19] <tsimpson> it's part of the default install
[23:19] <isaac> not if U're still running 10.x LTS
[23:19] <isaac> But I may backup / and upgrade this weekend.
[23:20] <isaac> I'm not sure I'm going to like 12.x
[23:20] <tsimpson> I don't see libjpeg-turbo8 in Lucid, so I don't think it's available
[23:20] <isaac> it is available in 11.x LTS apparently
[23:21] <tsimpson> yes, 11.04
[23:21] <tsimpson> but not 10.04
[23:21] <isaac> 10.x getting old, I have to upgrade
[23:22] <tsimpson> you have until next April to upgrade from 10.04 (Lucid), and you can upgrade straight to 12.04 (Precise) from it
[23:22] <isaac> managed to get this far with it though :-)
[23:22] <isaac> I won't like 12.x
[23:22] <tsimpson> why not?
[23:22] <isaac> What happens in april,  10.x repositories evaporate?
[23:23] <tsimpson> no, updates for the desktop components will end
[23:23] <tsimpson> server support continues until 2015
[23:23] <isaac> ...and probably some repo's
[23:23] <isaac> incentive to upgrade
[23:24] <tsimpson> no, the repos will remain until the server support ends
[23:24] <tsimpson> but they are still accessible, just from a different server
[23:25] <tsimpson> see http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ it goes right back until 4.10
[23:58] <BlackBsd> :-) have not been here in a while. hello


[00:49] <bluesabre> ok, TJ-'s script is pretty amazing
[01:19] <bluesabre> Updated the proposals page https://pad.ubuntu.com/x-19-04-proposals with more information. Need to update xubuntu-bugs' subscribed packages to get a better picture
[10:06] <brainwash> bluesabre: can you give me permissions to view proposals page? https://launchpad.net/~lastonestanding
[17:29] <flocculant> brainwash: don't think he can, pleia2 probably can - or you'll need to find someone to ack you https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad
[19:50] <pleia2> brainwash: approved
[19:50] <flocculant> pleia2: :)
[19:50] <flocculant> thanks
[19:54] <brainwash> thanks pleia2
[21:03] <brainwash> bluesabre: bug 1514912 is fixed in xenial too, isn't it?
[21:03] <brainwash> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/1.6.11-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[21:04] <brainwash> o.O
[21:04] <brainwash> wrong title :D
[21:05] <brainwash> version 1.6.11 was pushed to xenial-updates last year


[00:13] <tr4ck3ur> let's focus on the first question, anyone succeed to trust its own ssl certificate on ubuntu-touch default browser ?
[00:41] <tr4ck3ur> ok, just found that a requirement is not met, retry
 Is the Volla Phone based on an Android subsystem?
 Yes
 :/
 I feel compelled to buy a new phone (I'm now thinking Meizu's USB C ports aren't that reliable, especially second hand) which is especially frustrating as I bought this second MP5 just this summer, nightshift and overtime money notwithstanding.
 but I'm torn between a nice budget Pinephone which I know will have long term support vs a powerful, more expensive Android-based phone which is unconfirmed for LTS.
 [Edit] But I'm torn between a nice budget Pinephone which I know will have long term support vs a powerful, more expensive Android-based phone which is unconfirmed for LTS.
 I wish I just knew a smartphone specialist who had a heatgun etc to help me properly unmount the battery then resolder or replace the USB port. But no luck in this small town.
 Usb port replacements suck.
 I've tried to do them in the past and it's not fun when it's a microsolder job
 If I can just vise the phone to charge it, that's fine, I can workaround not being able to practically USB connect it to a PC. But even clamping it is hard.
 My DIY right now is to keep it between the handle of a roll-on bag and a wall, but it has to be just right to get the electrons flowing.
[02:25] <tr4ck3ur> hum, great i finally succeed to build and install the "ubp-5.1" \o/ but still stuck with my ssl certificate
 Not sure morph has an feature to support self signed certs yet, but it is in the end based on chromium
 Perhaps an chromium guide might help
[02:30] <tr4ck3ur> hum, you mean, installed from libertine ?
 Hm? No the morph browser that is shipped is based on chromium
[02:32] <tr4ck3ur> ah ok
 I was supposing it reads certs the same way chromium does
[02:33] <tr4ck3ur> ok, thanks for the hint, let's dig on that direction
[02:38] <tr4ck3ur> "chrome://settings" don't seems to work, nice try
 Ah no that won't work but setting it in the same fol- hmmm
[02:51] <tr4ck3ur> https://rolandschnabel.de/blog/2016/09/certificate-authorities-cas-in-google-chrome-chromium-and-firefox/
[02:52] <tr4ck3ur> and phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~/.pki/nssdb exists...
[02:53] <tr4ck3ur> you're probably right, too late for today, but thanks for the hint, i will continue investigating it later
 People I would like to know something ... But UBports, besides the development of UT, seems to be engaged in the development of Unity 8, but I haven't seen or heard about it ..... I would just like to look at this shell on the PC .... Nobody knows how things are with the Yunit fork now ?
 Lomiri is unity8
 It is currently used on ut, and it needs a lot of work to become useable on pc
 in my opinion it's already usable on desktop in terms of UX/UI … just need to to something with the indicators … maybe something similar to the global menu
 @Fuseteam [It is currently used on ut, and it needs a lot of work to become useable on pc], It looks like it won't work on your pc ... 😅
 @Fuseteam [It is currently used on ut, and it needs a lot of work to become useable on pc], [Edit] It looks like it won't work on pc ... 😅
 It will as kugi has said ;3
 @Javacookies [in my opinion it's already usable on desktop in terms of UX/UI … just need to to s …], Ohw so ayatana?
 Didn't the global menu already work?
 @Fuseteam [It will as kugi has said ;3], But the main question is floating ... when
 @Mister_Tails121 [But the main question is floating ... when], When someone dive deep enough in the code :p
 I think the issue is mainly having it run on normal desktop distros … on mobile devices, it runs well already
 @Mister_Tails121 [But the main question is floating ... when], And how will it work with X applications on the same Ubuntu 20 ..... By the way, even earlier Yunity had its own website, but now it is closed unfortunately
 @Fuseteam [Ohw so ayatana?], I don't think ayatana changes the look of it, I think it's just the backend code
 Wait the looks need to change?
 @Javacookies [I think the issue is mainly having it run on normal desktop distros … on mobile de …], I would put it differently .... On mobile devices it works PERFECTLY
 @Mister_Tails121 [And how will it work with X applications on the same Ubuntu 20 ..... By the way, …], Depends on the move;to xwayland :p
 @Mister_Tails121 [And how will it work with X applications on the same Ubuntu 20 ..... By the way, …], [Edit] Depends on the move to xwayland :p
 Also there two things lomiri on a traditonal desktop or ut on the desktop :3
 @Fuseteam [Depends on the move to xwayland :p], (now it seems that the Nvidia 340 driver is not approved by wayland, considering that even the kernel above Linux 5.4 is not approved anymore)
 @Mister_Tails121 [(now it seems that the Nvidia 340 driver is not approved by wayland, considering …], Oof nvidia at it again :/
 @Fuseteam [Also there two things lomiri on a traditonal desktop or ut on the desktop :3], About lomiri .... And who else can describe the difference between Lomiri and UT unity ....
 @Fuseteam [Wait the looks need to change?], I mean the indicators is not working well with mouse … while the global menu's UI kind of works with both touch and mouse although when I tried the 2 global menu UIs don't work with both touch and mouse at the moment
 @Mister_Tails121 [About lomiri .... And who else can describe the difference between Lomiri and UT …], Ut unity? Eh?
 @Javacookies [I mean the indicators is not working well with mouse … while the global menu's UI …], Ah i see
 @Fuseteam [Oof nvidia at it again :/], Alas .... Nvidia is the same needle that will stab developers by the heels all their life.
 @Mister_Tails121 [About lomiri .... And who else can describe the difference between Lomiri and UT …], Unity 7 is the one used on Ubuntu desktop before … Unity 8 is the successor with UT use but recently renamed to Lomiri
 @Fuseteam [Ut unity? Eh?], Well, I mean the Unity that comes with UT
 That's called "lomiri"
 [Edit] That's now called "lomiri"
 Lomiri = unity 8
 @Javacookies [Unity 7 is the one used on Ubuntu desktop before … Unity 8 is the successor with U …], Hmm ... strange but I thought he remained unity8 ... It seems that even UT Tweaker says that it is Unity8 too
 UT is everything else including l3miri
 @Mister_Tails121 [Hmm ... strange but I thought he remained unity8 ... It seems that even UT Tweak …], Yes because unity8 is lomiri :p
 @Fuseteam [Yes because unity8 is lomiri :p], Ah .... Got it .... It looks like there is no way to try lomiri on pc yet
 @Mister_Tails121 [Hmm ... strange but I thought he remained unity8 ... It seems that even UT Tweak …], the rename was relatively recent so it's not renamed on everything yet
 well Lomiri can now run on wayland and there are works on other distros like Manjaro so I would guess it's now easier to make it work on desktops
 @Javacookies [well Lomiri can now run on wayland and there are works on other distros like Man …], Ah .... So now I can already try it on ubuntu 20?
 not sure, never tried...I'm just guessing 😅
 Yes but its not usable it has mouse issues and x apps issue if memory serves
 @Javacookies [not sure, never tried...I'm just guessing 😅], And ... Or maybe I'll check it then ... Only now I would get the deb packages lom
 @Javacookies [not sure, never tried...I'm just guessing 😅], [Edit] Ah ... Or maybe I'll check it then ... Only now I would get the deb packages lom
 A desktop enviroment take more than that but ok 👀
 @Fuseteam [Yes but its not usable it has mouse issues and x apps issue if memory serves], It is still unusable for PC hike
 Which is the best phone to flash with ubuntu touch
 I was using oneplus one but its battery died few days back
 So looking for something new compatible with UT
 guys please tell me where to download the latest gsi firmware? and is it possible to install via ubports installer on Samsung Galaxy J7 device ??
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 https://twitter.com/lanux_mage/status/1328056469951045632
 @☆SHADOW☆ [guys please tell me where to download the latest gsi firmware? and is it possibl …], Not 'immediately' possible but may be possible 'in principle'
 When choosing which phone to port, "I have that phone" is about as relevant and useful as "Can I get one in red metallic finish"?
 @Stereofont [When choosing which phone to port, "I have that phone" is about as relevant and …], Haha well its more about: I would buy a used phone X since its abailable in my vicinity and not too expensice
 @Stereofont [When choosing which phone to port, "I have that phone" is about as relevant and …], [Edit] Haha well its more about: I would buy a used phone X since its abailable in my vicinity and not too expensive
 @Mister_Tails121 [It is still unusable for PC hike], why would take a pc on a hike 🤔
 @Flohack [Haha well its more about: I would buy a used phone X since its abailable in my v …], Yes. Decently specified, reliable, widely used
 @Fuseteam [why would take a pc on a hike 🤔], That portable generator would need a wheeled carrier 🤔
 🤔🤔🤔
 @Flohack [Haha well its more about: I would buy a used phone X since its abailable in my v …], In fact, it should be more about: I would buy a used phone X at a future unknow date when the port is usable giving I don't know if it will be available in my vicinity, not too expensive and in a good state.
 @Flohack [Haha well its more about: I would buy a used phone X since its abailable in my v …], [Edit] In fact, it should be more about: I would buy a used phone X at a future unknow date when the port is usable giving at this time I don't know if it will be available in my vicinity, not too expensive and in a good state.
 @Flohack [Haha well its more about: I would buy a used phone X since its abailable in my v …], [Edit] In fact, it should be more about: I would buy a used phone X at a future unknow date when the port is usable given at this time I don't know if it will be available in my vicinity, not too expensive and in a good state.
 Too many unknowns; it's why people logically choose  the latest device on the market.
 Which is okay ^^
 I think so too.
[11:44] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @libremax [Too many unknowns; it's why people logically choose  the latest device on the ma …], Considering support for kernel and firmware, buying a recent device usually is not the worst decision ... It's certainly nice to have an up-to-date UT-OTA, but if firmware or kernel have bugs that remain unfixed ...
 in fact, options of devices that are theoretically possible to port are somewhat limited now
 Huawei is a plain no-go because of their bootloader that can't be unlocked policy for example
 same goes for Nokia, though some devices can be unlocked unofficially, but that often costs
 Samsung is kind of possible, but not very popular since they tend to deviate much
 smaller Chinese brands ignore GPL and won't provide kernel source code even if they are sold in stores in EU
 Oneplus ???
 OnePlus works
 non-MediaTek Xiaomi often as well
 [Edit] Oneplus ??? Not perfect, but Opo, Op3/3t , Op2 are there and hopefully newer ones with USB-C 3.0 could be ported as well.
 But Mediatek Volla phone works as well.
 @Stefano0101 [But Mediatek Volla phone works as well.], A special case because they have access
 MediaTek itself is fine, but Xiaomi do weird things that make devices easy to brick
 [Edit] MediaTek itself is fine, but Xiaomi do weird things that make devices easy to brick with recent models
 Like Canonical used to have with MX4?
 I still think, Google fu.ked up the whole Android world as the did not want to create a Linux phone fully GPL and created same way as classic Linux distro.
 Plus No Bios standard, no open drivers, just a mess.
 Modern smartphones are a mess generally tbh
 @Stefano0101 [I still think, Google fu.ked up the whole Android world as the did not want to c …], They not only did not want it, it was never even considered. Why would they, they needed a quick competition against iPhone and that also came in a locked Software/Hardware bundle. just their problem was they had no hardware manufacturing ex
[12:50] <ubptgbot> perience.
 @Flohack [They not only did not want it, it was never even considered. Why would they, the …], I think it's always the same. It's all about money.
 Of course. But everybody should be free to create a product out of an idea without being contrained to certain success factors. As it seems Google was successful without going bankcrupt ther must be some truth in what they did ;)
 yeah it comes down to bsd vs gpl
 gpl gives the users al lot of freedoms but bsd considers the freedoms of the devs
 it's a debate we shouldn't go into in here tho :P
 @NotKit [same goes for Nokia, though some devices can be unlocked unofficially, but that …], iirc nokia does allow unlocking but they waive any warranty
 no, they don't
 they allowed only for a single model to make the claim that they allow
 [Edit] they allowed only for a single model (Nokia 6) to make the claim that they allow
 [Edit] they allowed only for a single model (Nokia 8) to make the claim that they allow
 https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_int/bootloader
 If there was a unified bootloader/ Bios unlockable, we wouldn't have this conversation I guess.
 Sir
 So Sony, Oneplus and Google devices seem to have a future for us or what :)
 @Stefano0101 [If there was a unified bootloader/ Bios unlockable, we wouldn't have this conver …], Not really if you cannot access the vendor and device tree you cannot build a custom OS
 I am using redmi HM NOTE 1 LTE … I AM INTERESTING USE UBUNTU OS … BUT I AM SEE NOT AVAILABLE THIS WAS FOR MY MOBILE
 So kindly considered this was enabled for this device
 Sir
 @Flohack [Not really if you cannot access the vendor and device tree you cannot build a cu …], Yes, off course vendor partition (drivers)
 @DINE6 [I am using redmi HM NOTE 1 LTE … I AM INTERESTING USE UBUNTU OS … BUT I AM SEE NOT A …], No shouting, please …
 Sir
 In India lot of people using redmi mobiles
 @DINE6 [So kindly considered this was enabled for this device], unfortunately we're not a company that can just put an item to backlog of things to do. Each device needs to be ported and that requires work specific for that device that can be done only by someone owning that device
 @DINE6 [In India lot of people using redmi mobiles], number one position
 @NotKit [unfortunately we're not a company that can just put an item to backlog of things …], Ok sir
 4X is the oldest available in UT
 Sir
 Poco mobile … In future available UBUNTU OS
 there is a port for beryllium (Poco F1)
 @NotKit [they allowed only for a single model (Nokia 8) to make the claim that they allow], hmm guess i was wrong
 VOLTE is not fixed though, so UT has little utility in India at present, as I understand it
 must've confused it with https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_int/opensource
 @Stereofont [VOLTE is not fixed though, so UT has little utility in India at present, as I un …], depends if someone needs to make voice calls though
 @NotKit [depends if someone needs to make voice calls though], We don't have that in Axolotl or Teleports though
 @Stereofont [VOLTE is not fixed though, so UT has little utility in India at present, as I un …], there are non volte only operators too
 but it seems majority users are using volte only operator
 @ItsMeShouko [there are non volte only operators too], Ah, interesting. I thought there were none
 @DINE6 [number one position], as things stand you are the most suitable to bring the os to those devices as they are easily available in your area
 Well, in.Teleports you could have a voice message interchange 😂
 @Fuseteam [as things stand you are the most suitable to bring the os to those devices as th …], There is an India group where a strategy can be planned
 tell him, i'm not in india :jo
 [Edit] tell him, i'm not in india 😂
 https://t.me/UBports_India
 [Edit] tell him :P  … i'm not in india 😂
 @Fuseteam [tell him :P  … i'm not in india 😂], 😀
 @Stereofont [There is an India group where a strategy can be planned], Competition is too hard, only if some high ranked government official says, "let's be independent, let's say no to ios and android and let's use [this os/that os], then you can expect buzz"
 otherwise no chance
 @Stereofont [There is an India group where a strategy can be planned], [Edit] Competition is too hard, only if some high ranked government official says, "let's be independent, let's say no to ios and android and let's use [this os/that os]", then you can expect buzz
 @Stereofont [There is an India group where a strategy can be planned], [Edit] Competition is too tough, only if some high ranked government official says, "let's be independent, let's say no to ios and android and let's use [this os/that os]", then you can expect buzz
 @Fuseteam [as things stand you are the most suitable to bring the os to those devices as th …], The thing is some devices may have volte on by default and could work. We just need to try ^^
 true but whoever has access to the device is the most suitable person to try ;)
 @ItsMeShouko [Competition is too tough, only if some high ranked government official says, "le …], Russia said that and invest in Aurora OS (aka Sailfish Mobile OS RUS).
 sounds weird when the question is "please support device x" the answer is "do it yourself, we'll help you do it" but that's how things stand :P
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[14:06] <ubptgbot> Oxy Kali was added by: Oxy Kali
[14:06] <ubptgbot> <Oxy Kali> hello everyone
[14:08] <ubptgbot> <Oxy Kali> i want to ask
[14:08] <ubptgbot> <Oxy Kali> whatsapp work on anbox
 @Flohack [Of course. But everybody should be free to create a product out of an idea witho …], yeah, they already had a crapload of money and phones with advertisements and customer data obviously feed more into that
 @dohbee [yeah, they already had a crapload of money and phones with advertisements and cu …], Yes sure. But I am not willing to take a position where business ideas will be limited by non-measurable constraints like "usefulness", "free of bugs", or, similar, "benefit for society". You can use measurable constraints like "does not throw hi
[14:17] <ubptgbot> ghvoltage sparks when turned on" etc. Product safety, data protection, etc. can be defined. But not philosophical thoughts about whats good and whatsnot
 It will be abused otherwise
 @Flohack [Yes sure. But I am not willing to take a position where business ideas will be l …], "public safety, data protection, etc…" are all philosophical thoughts about what's good and what's not. we simply generally agree as a society that those things are good.
 @dohbee ["public safety, data protection, etc…" are all philosophical thoughts about what …], Ok bad description, of course pholosphical intent, but put into measurable goals. But just "forbid it, its capitalism" is not enough
 Or "Governments should only allowed to use FOSS software" is no solution
 [Edit] Or "Governments should only be allowed to use FOSS software" is no solution
 of course it's not a solution, to a completely different undefined problem. however, it is a solution to the fact that governments are using public funds for software, so therefore it's only right that the public owns that software
 @Flohack [Or "Governments should only be allowed to use FOSS software" is no solution], In a true democracy, people should be able to decide that their country have to go that way.
 Hmm if you buy a software you also most of the time just buy a license. Why would that be different for public money, taxes vs your private money
[14:22] <ubptgbot> <Oxy Kali> i asked
 @Oxy Kali [whatsapp work on anbox], some people have been able to use it, though it is quite limited from running on an android host phone. anbox is also quite experimental right now, and doesn't work on all devices
[14:24] <ubptgbot> <Oxy Kali> @dohbee [some people have been able to use it, though it is quite limited from running on …], oh i have mi a2
 @libremax [In a true democracy, people should be able to decide that their country have to …], Basically they are able to do that, by voting for a party the has this promise. But its a typical misunderstanding of what democracy can do: Do you really expect that 35 million of some country XY are well-informed enough to even understand the
[14:24] <ubptgbot> question?
 You cannot let all people decide about everything, the society will come to a halt, just hating each other
[14:25] <ubptgbot> <Oxy Kali> @dohbee [some people have been able to use it, though it is quite limited from running on …], with snapdragon 660 and 4 go ram
 @Flohack [Basically they are able to do that, by voting for a party the has this promise. …], if you present it in a way that can be understood by the masses, and get the message out, yes, they can be informed
 @Flohack [You cannot let all people decide about everything, the society will come to a ha …], speaking of not having philosophical metrics, i think we're getting off topic. :)
 True ^^
 when will the redmi 5 plus gets Ubuntu touch officially...
 @cupidz_foe [when will the redmi 5 plus gets Ubuntu touch officially...], When enough people get to work on it, I guess. That's the case with every single phone out there.
 @Oxy Kali [with snapdragon 660 and 4 go ram], doesn't matter. it depends on whether the porter did the work to enable anbox or not, though even if so anbox itself is still quite experimental. all we can really tell you is to try and see if it works well enough for you. there will be significantly increased battery usage and such though, wi
[14:27] <ubptgbot> th anbox
 @elsandosgrande [When enough people get to work on it, I guess. That's the case with every single …], ok bro.. thanks
[14:28] <ubptgbot> <Oxy Kali> @dohbee [doesn't matter. it depends on whether the porter did the work to enable anbox or …], okay i test it
 A quick question. which programming languages are used most extensively in Ubuntu Touch?
 @Flohack [Basically they are able to do that, by voting for a party the has this promise. …], It's a typical misunderstanding to believe indirect democracy is the only way possible.
 @elsandosgrande [A quick question. which programming languages are used most extensively in Ubunt …], C/C++, JavaScript, QML, Python i guess. some golang and vala in a few components
 Thank you!
 @libremax [It's a typical misunderstanding to believe indirect democracy is the only way po …], wink wink nudge nudge https://t.me/UBportsOF if people want to keep discussing off topic things :)
 @libremax [It's a typical misunderstanding to believe indirect democracy is the only way po …], I am happy to misunderstand it :) buts its offtopic so lets be silent here
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 @elsandosgrande [A quick question. which programming languages are used most extensively in Ubunt …], If you use clickabke to make a default app starting point, it gives you a few languages with some simple bindings. … However, Rodney is right with which languages that have been majoritally used in Ubuntu Touch.
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[15:36] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> How can I make (free) calls via internet in UT, like Signal on Android? Free worldwide encrypted videl calling is a really nice feature to stay in touch with friends ...
[15:36] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> [Edit] How can I make (free) calls via internet in UT, like Signal on Android? Free worldwide encrypted video calling is a really nice feature to stay in touch with friends ...
 FWEVL
 @silasantanaa [FWEVL], are you a person? did you join this group to discuss/follow Ubuntu Touch?
 @dohbee [are you a person? did you join this group to discuss/follow Ubuntu Touch?], of course
 free worldwide encrypted video calling FWEVL
 @X YZ [How can I make (free) calls via internet in UT, like Signal on Android? Free wor …], People here before were recommending linphone for SIP calls, not really sure what else. Axolotl is a signal client available for ut, but as far as I know it doesn't implement calling.
 @X YZ [How can I make (free) calls via internet in UT, like Signal on Android? Free wor …], there's no native video calling apps. there is a linphone app to do SIP voice calls
 @silasantanaa [free worldwide encrypted video calling FWEVL], I can't find that in the store, is it an abbreviation for something?
 F free W world ...............
 @silasantanaa [F free W world ...............], O right
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[16:33] <ubptgbot> <Beckenbauer camilla> https://toncryptosignals.in/
 @silasantanaa [free worldwide encrypted video calling FWEVL], Don't you mean VC :p
 [Edit] free worldwide encrypted video calling FWEVC
 @Fuseteam [Don't you mean VC :p], Video Calling ;P
 Yes VC :p
 sneaky edit eh?
 well played
 @silasantanaa [FWEVL], demo amai >:3
 [Edit] FWEVC
 @Fuseteam [sneaky edit eh?], you got me
[17:17] <ubptgbot> Markj76 was added by: Markj76
 Can anyone tell me about experiences with Nexus 7 please, I'm looking at buying a tablet to try Ubuntu touch on and this is one I can find available locally.
 :p
 @Markj76 [Can anyone tell me about experiences with Nexus 7 please, I'm looking at buying …], 2013 WiFi, not the 2012
 @Markj76 [Can anyone tell me about experiences with Nexus 7 please, I'm looking at buying …], It is underpowered and slow but can be got very cheap in some places
[17:37] <ubptgbot> parmodiris was added by: parmodiris
 @Markj76 [/Is there a better place than ubports site for list of devices as that looked li …], that the only site we have, if its "underpowered" it due to the specs not due to things not working, the nexus 7 is also not the only tablet on that list
 @Markj76 [/Is there a better place than ubports site for list of devices as that looked li …], [Edit] that the only site we have, if its "underpowered" it due to the specs and its age, not due to things not working, the nexus 7 is also not the only tablet on that list
 I need boot image for redmi 8 (olive)
 The Xperia tablet is worth considering
 @parmodiris [I need boot image for redmi 8 (olive)], Please don't cross post
[17:43] <ubptgbot> Danny was added by: Danny
 @Stereofont [Please don't cross post], Ok, sorry
[18:19] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @joeth [People here before were recommending linphone for SIP calls, not really sure wha …], Thanks for pointing out linphone - will check that out. 👍 … Any experience with Jitsi and UT anybody?
 @X YZ [Thanks for pointing out linphone - will check that out. 👍 … Any experience with J …], main issue right now with video chat in browser, is that qtwebengine (aka chromium) only works with v4l2 for camera, and doesn't use the qt camera/multimedia backend stuff
 @Fuseteam [that the only site we have, if its "underpowered" it due to the specs and its ag …], I have read and reread the list, am I blind or am I trying to find a Sony Z4 for sale?
 that list is not a list for devices for sale :p
 if it's not on the list the device is not supported and ubuntu touch will need to be ported for said device
 Which phones (not tablets) are Android subsystem-agnostic?
[18:45] <ubptgbot> Jaap van Wingerde was added by: Jaap van Wingerde
 @TartanSpartan [Which phones (not tablets) are Android subsystem-agnostic?], Could you rephrase the question? I don't understand
 what do you mean?
 @TartanSpartan [Which phones (not tablets) are Android subsystem-agnostic?], you want a phone that has no android components at all? only pinephone currently i guess
 @Fuseteam [that list is not a list for devices for sale :p], I know they aren't for sale I was just asking if by other tablets that weren't under powered you meant the Sony. As you state the one I was able to find to buy was not powerful enough to run properly and rather than advising simply state that others are in list.
 Because my understanding is that only those without Android subsystems will be guaranteed for LTS. Thank you Rodney.
 @Markj76 [I know they aren't for sale I was just asking if by other tablets that weren't u …], there's the pinetab and M10 for example 👀
 @Fuseteam [there's the pinetab and M10 for example 👀], Pinetab is out of stock and still stating more stock July, so not looking like a real world option and M10 is same spec as Nexus 7 so wouldn't that be underpowered too?
 What application do you need power for? I find the M10 hefty enough apart from the RAM limits how many apps can be up at once.
 [Edit] What use case do you need power for? I find the M10 hefty enough apart from the RAM limits how many apps can be up at once.
 is it the same spec? i have heard reasonable feedback on the m10, but don't take my word for i own neither of the two
 @TartanSpartan [What use case do you need power for? I find the M10 hefty enough apart from the …], I am just looking to give Ubuntu touch a try and due to lockdown have lots of time to try things but limited options for buying. Would I be better porting to newer devices?
 @Markj76 [I am just looking to give Ubuntu touch a try and due to lockdown have lots of ti …], if you want to use it on a tablet more powerful than a nexus 7 2013, then i guess you'd have to do a port
 @dohbee [if you want to use it on a tablet more powerful than a nexus 7 2013, then i gues …], I just wanted to try it before going that route but it is quite limited on devices and with so many stores closed at present I'm a bit stuck as if Amazon or eBay can't help it's a no go
[19:36] <ubptgbot> Satish Upadhyay was added by: Satish Upadhyay
 Look at android 9 devices
 From a well known OEM
 @Markj76 [I just wanted to try it before going that route but it is quite limited on devic …], This is in reply to this
 @dohbee [if you want to use it on a tablet more powerful than a nexus 7 2013, then i gues …], Sony Xperia Z4 Tablet is far more poweful than a nexus 7 2013.
 Make sure kernel source exists
 @dohbee [if you want to use it on a tablet more powerful than a nexus 7 2013, then i gues …], [Edit] Sony Xperia Z4 Tablet is far more poweful than a nexus 7 2013: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/karin/
[19:43] <ubptgbot> <Andy Bleaden> @dohbee [if you want to use it on a tablet more powerful than a nexus 7 2013, then i gues …], Well the other way is to hover the pine tab forum on pine64 for someone looking to sell theirs (I have been tempted many times but like tinkering)
[19:44] <ubptgbot> <Andy Bleaden> But you may want domething more powerful
[19:44] <ubptgbot> <Andy Bleaden> Something sorry
 @libremax [Sony Xperia Z4 Tablet is far more poweful than a nexus 7 2013: https://devices.u …], oh if someone already did a port for it then great
 @dohbee [oh if someone already did a port for it then great], I don't think the community is really developed enough for a rapid growth, I think I will get some old tablets and use them to progress the /e/ project as I'm getting the vibe that the Ubuntu touch os is too bloated for the devices it is aimed at.
 uh what
 Why "bloated"? care to explain?
 If what you want is continuing to use /e/ that's fine, but I don't think our OS is bloated, quite the opposite.
 Yeah bloated is a super ambiguous term.
 I actually think that UBports UT is the most mature from battery management and usabillity side (at least right now)
 Just curious as to why the Gitlab issue list for the Pinephone also includes those for the PInetab?
 Same hardware mainly? I think they share soc
 And even cameras and all
 Hmmm I see.
[20:46] <ubptgbot> <Gerald Ryan> 🥰Thanks you all very much for your wonderful feedback we're happy that you are benefiting from our Service / program we promise you that we shall not relent in making you win & make more money … @CAPITAL_FX009
 @Markj76 [I don't think the community is really developed enough for a rapid growth, I thi …], uh what?
 @Fuseteam [uh what?], hey that was my line, get your own :P
 @Markj76 [I don't think the community is really developed enough for a rapid growth, I thi …], uh what
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/jL0ZsspD.webp
 @dohbee [hey that was my line, get your own :P], no :P
 How do I structure the maintenance of "my" ubports for bq x2?
 what do you mean?
 i think the question is about how to get it into installer and CI?
 @dohbee [i think the question is about how to get it into installer and CI?], The one further I want to fix it first so the end user has no problems
 @Fuseteam [what do you mean?], Regarding the bugs that I do not detect with daily use
 are you porting it?
 @Fuseteam [are you porting it?], Yes
 @CinicoDoc [The one further I want to fix it first so the end user has no problems], are you looking for testers?
 @Fuseteam [are you looking for testers?], There doesn't seem to be much demand for this device
 @CinicoDoc [Yes], ah, are you in @halium and @ubports_porting?
 @Fuseteam [ah, are you in @halium and @ubports_porting?], Yes
 @CinicoDoc [There doesn't seem to be much demand for this device], i don't think many in this group owns one i guess
 @CinicoDoc [Yes], i think you'll get an answer more easily @ubports_porting
 @Fuseteam [i don't think many in this group owns one i guess], I think I'm the only one who has it, only me in this group of bq x2 talked about it
 @Fuseteam [i think you'll get an answer more easily @ubports_porting], Ok thanks
 good luck o/
 @Fuseteam [good luck o/], thanks a lot
[21:39] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> There is also a group "UBPorts BQ".
 ohw?
 i'm on the bq e5, what's the group for?
 👀👀
[21:42] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> Amy got that started. Not much happening there as ofqnow ...but that could change.
 hmmm
[21:44] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> Might make sense to focus bq-specific things there, easier to find.
 there's not much that is really bq centric tho
[21:45] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> Tenshi has its own group, though ....
 isn't tenshi a port in progress?
[21:46] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Fuseteam [there's not much that is really bq centric tho], Sad, but true. Nice devices, gut bq has now dropped from the net.
 it has?
 dang the build quality is really nice too
[21:47] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Fuseteam [isn't tenshi a port in progress?], Try bq.com ...
 bq was acquired by vsmart and is now slowly deleting everything
 ooof
[21:48] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> Tenshi is well advance, thanks go guf. Ota seems the main remaining challenge.
 the least they could've left us is the kernel device and vendor trees for the bq devices :x
[21:49] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @CinicoDoc [bq was acquired by vsmart and is now slowly deleting everything], Got my unlock code from them just in time before they disappeared.
 @X YZ [Got my unlock code from them just in time before they disappeared.], Unlock code?
 @Fuseteam [the least they could've left us is the kernel device and vendor trees for the bq …], For safety I would save all the sources so I don't live with the anxiety that they could delete everything even on GitHub
[21:53] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Fuseteam [the least they could've left us is the kernel device and vendor trees for the bq …], There may be help in a mostly spanish bq group in tg, there seemed to be (former?) Bq devs there.
 Internet archive time
 Might have some e4.5 firmware somewhere
 Android
 i don't have them, now i'm not sure anyone has them
 @Fuseteam [i don't have them, now i'm not sure anyone has them], What e4.5 android?
[21:54] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @CinicoDoc [Unlock code?], For bootloader
 @X YZ [There may be help in a mostly spanish bq group in tg, there seemed to be (former …], ohw i'm particularly wondering about the bq e5 and m10 of the supported devices
 @X YZ [There may be help in a mostly spanish bq group in tg, there seemed to be (former …], [Edit] ohw i'm particularly wondering about the bq e4.5, bq e5 and m10 of the supported devices
 @X YZ [For bootloader], Ah, do they have a code to unlock the bootloader? I did not know
 @amyosx [What e4.5 android?], whatever we need to rebuild the kernel/ update the phones :3
 Lol kernel is foss
[21:57] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @CinicoDoc [Ah, do they have a code to unlock the bootloader? I did not know], Bought an x5+ used ans needed a flashtool + code from them - and ubuntu 16.04 to run it.
 the idea that the bq devices at some point because we can't rebuild the kernel/can only do so much has been floating around for a while
 [Edit] the idea that the bq devices will be dropped at some point because we can't rebuild the kernel/can only do so much has been floating around for a while
 @amyosx [Lol kernel is foss], drivers :p
[21:58] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> Would be sad...
 @X YZ [Bought an x5+ used ans needed a flashtool + code from them - and ubuntu 16.04 to …], Ah okay thanks
 Yeah archive it now
 @Fuseteam [the idea that the bq devices will be dropped at some point because we can't rebu …], In what sense can we no longer rebuild it?
 @Fuseteam [the idea that the bq devices will be dropped at some point because we can't rebu …], not the kernel. the vendor/device part and recovery
 not sure of the full details, rodney may know :p
 kernel source was published
 ah there we go
 Mirroring anyway
 i hope the vendor/device/recovery aren't lost now :x
 [Edit] i hope the vendor/device/recovery aren't completely lost now :x
 Got the 1.5 firmware
 The ubuntu touch firmware is saved
 For e4.5
 Others I have nothing to do with uhhh
 Between I start saving all the sources from bq and there is a guy who is collecting and uploading all the bq firmware to a telegram
 that's a step i suppose 🤔
 @Fuseteam [that's a step i suppose 🤔], Passage for what?
 👀
 He means that is some sort of progress 😀
[23:55] <ubptgbot> kokonutti was added by: kokonutti
 Hiya
 I'm interested installing Ubuntu touch on a nexus 7 I 6m
 [Edit] I'm interested installing Ubuntu touch on a nexus 7 have laying around
 Is apt? Available?
 Is it reliable to use?
 Be
 Because Ubuntu Bluetooth and  WiFi etc seem to be working, I was thinking making this a secondary laptop
 Is touch eve.
 [Edit] Is touch even capable of running desktop software?
 The website was r
 [Edit] The website wasn't very helpful about this
 @  e k
 [Edit] @  me if someone knows, I'm heading to sleep rn, just had to get my questions written down before I fall asleep and forget