[00:30] <alex_mayorga> Why is archive.ubuntu.com slooow?
[00:30] <alex_mayorga> 70.4 kB/s
[00:36] <bjsnider> 263
[00:40] <bjsnider> 190
[00:40] <silverarrow> anyone clever with alsamixer?
[00:40] <silverarrow> I have no alsamixer
[00:40] <bjsnider> it's never super-fast because everybody is using it instead of their local mirrors
[00:45] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: Thanks! I'll try the .mx mirror, but it is not much better most of the times
[00:45] <alex_mayorga> silverarrow: Didn't ALSA go the way of the dodo some time ago?
[00:46] <silverarrow> not in lubuntu?
[00:46] <silverarrow> and I still think alsa is in ubuntu, under there some where
[00:46] <silverarrow> even when pluseaudio is the new thing
[00:47] <alex_mayorga> silverarrow: ask!
[00:47] <bjsnider> alsa is how we have sound card drivers, it works with pulseaudio
[00:48] <silverarrow> yeah, trouble is I have no alsmixer in terminal !!! even though packages are reinstalled
[00:49] <silverarrow> how do I get sound and aslamixer working ?
[00:49] <silverarrow> alex_mayorga: did you like the question better?
[00:50] <bjsnider> silverarrow, this probably isn't going to be the best channel for those questions
[00:50] <silverarrow> lol
[00:50] <silverarrow> are you kidding
[00:50] <bjsnider> no
[00:50] <bjsnider> i am not
[00:50] <silverarrow> where is the better channel then?
[00:50] <silverarrow> it is not lubuntu
[00:51] <bjsnider> well, first of all, leaving alsamixer out of it, what is the actual problem?
[00:51] <silverarrow> I have no sound, no loudspeaker icon in taskbar,
[00:52] <bjsnider> have you ever had sound/when was the last time?
[00:52] <silverarrow> I had sound AND alsamixer in 12.04
[00:52] <silverarrow> but in quantal not ever
[00:53] <bjsnider> i'm not sure what lubuntu uses as far as sound goes
[00:53] <bjsnider> does it use pulse?
[00:53] <silverarrow> no pulse in lubuntu as far as I know
[00:53] <bjsnider> ok, check dmesg for sound related messages
[00:54] <silverarrow> major lits of text
[00:56] <silverarrow> paste.ubuntu.com/1259163
[00:56] <silverarrow> I cannot make any sense of it
[00:58] <bjsnider> snd-powermac no longer handles any machines with a layout-id property in the device-tree, use snd-aoa
[00:59] <bjsnider> it almost looks like you're using a machine made by the hateful apple corps
[01:00] <bjsnider> if this is ppc i don't think it's supported
[01:01] <bjsnider> i guess you need to modprobe snd-aoa
[01:01] <silverarrow> a few of us are wroking on making ppc suported
[01:02] <silverarrow> it is the last iBook, a white G4
[01:02] <silverarrow> thanks
[01:03] <bjsnider> i think the module that will drive that chip is snd-aoa
[01:04] <bjsnider> silverarrow, take a shot at #alsa or whatever it's called. maybe there's a ppc nerd there who can help you
[01:06] <silverarrow> thanks
[01:07] <silverarrow> there are a few of us on ubuntu-testing, but I am the only one with this model iBook G4 and sound troubles
[01:09] <bjsnider> silverarrow, try googling the message i posted above from dmesg and you'll get quite a few results. quite a few indeed
[01:09] <bjsnider> this issue seems to go back many years
[01:10] <silverarrow> oh
[01:10] <silverarrow> I am all new to the testing team, just an amateur really
[01:10] <silverarrow> ...and struggeling a bit
[03:37] <bjsnider> are we going to have two versions of gstreamer simultaneously with quantal?
[03:37] <Daekdroom> Are we? D:
[03:38] <Daekdroom> !find gstreamer
[03:38] <Daekdroom> !find gstreamer1.0
[03:39] <Daekdroom> Well, only 0.10 is a dependency of ubuntu-desktop.
[03:39] <bjsnider> Daekdroom, my system doesn't seem to work without 1.0
[03:40] <bjsnider> some stuff seems to use the 0.10 and others use 1.0
[03:41] <Daekdroom> It's not even installed currently in here.
[03:44] <bjsnider> i wonder if it's maybe required by the ppa
[04:49] <micahg> 0.10 is in main and 1.0 is in universe for quantal
[07:01] <gsedej_work> Hi! Ubuntu 12.10 beta2 does not have "logout" option in menu.
[07:02] <gsedej_work> this is bad, because user can't change to other desktop enviroment (KDE, LXDE, ...)
[07:02] <gsedej_work> it's quite usable with USB with persistance
[07:02] <gsedej_work> should I report bug?
[07:42] <tim> hi, for some reason, i cannot upgrade to quantic on my laptop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1259515/
[07:47] <Volkodav> Anybody has issues with sopcast player? It starts up, buffers to 100% and stays blank
[08:13] <tim> hm also: "do-release-upgrade -d" does not find a new version and for some reason my system things that it is already 12.10, but it is still 12.04
[08:18] <edgy> Hi, kubntu images are now 900+ M,  how am I supposed to burn it on a CD?
[08:27] <howlymowly> hi poeple.. short question: I just installed kubuntu 12.10  and now have ligthdm as default login manager. I would like to use login as a certain user by default and lock the screen afterwards. but it seems there is no option for doing this in light dm?  any workaround?
[08:27] <howlymowly> *is ther any workaround?
[08:33] <tim> ... or maybe to rephrase my question: how does do-release-upgrade determine the installed version of ubuntu?
[08:35] <edgy> tim: if you want to know the installed version of ubuntu, check /etc/lsb-release
[08:36] <vega-> hmm empathy "internal error" after todays updates, no connection to server
[08:37] <tim> edgy: i've changed that file from quantal to precise ... probably a stale version from an early upgrade ...
[08:37] <tim> thing is, my machine *is* precise, not (yet) quantal
[08:38] <edgy> vega-: empathy is causing lots of errors for me, try removing the account and adding it again
[08:38] <tim> edgy: but even after `downgrading' the lsb-release file, `do-release-upgrade -d` does not find a new version
[08:38] <edgy> tim: what's the output of lsb-release -a command
[08:39] <edgy> s/lsb-/lsb_/
[08:39] <vega-> edgy: same error..
[08:39] <tim> edgy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1259578/
[08:41] <tim> funny ... after running that, do-release-upgrade *does* find an upgrade
[08:43] <tim> ... but then it tells me that it `could not calculate the upgrade'
[08:43] <edgy> tim: after running what?
[08:43] <tim> do-release-upgrade -d -f kde
[08:44] <edgy> tim: maybe it checks other files, try to edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and use lts
[08:44] <tim> edgy: changed from normal to lts ... no effect ... back to normal ... no effect
[08:45] <edgy> check this file too /etc/update-manager/meta-release
[08:46] <tim> edgy: also `do-release-upgrade -d` now reports again: No new release found
[08:46] <tim> edgy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1259586/
[08:46] <tim> looks fine to me
[08:47] <edgy> tim: I don't know then
[08:47] <tim> it seems that the apt sources have been updated: apt-get dist-upgrade reports about 2000 upgradable packages
[08:47] <tim> is it sufficient to run that? or will i expect some further problems?
[08:48] <edgy> tim: I don't think we can predict but take a backup first and try
[09:17] <TheOneRing> kubuntu 12.10 beta 2 still only boots into a black screen on a gma 600
[09:18] <Mamarok> TheOneRing: read your question on #kubuntu: is it an upgrade or a fresh install?
[09:19] <TheOneRing> it is on first bootin the instalation media
[09:20] <Mamarok> oh, that is weird
[09:21] <TheOneRing> i gess it has to do  with the new driver shiped with the new kernal
[09:21] <TheOneRing> kernel
[09:22] <TheOneRing> dammned touch keyboard... :P
[09:22] <Mamarok> could you just ask the question again so the others can see it here
[09:26] <TheOneRing> i already did that right after joining
[09:28] <Mamarok> oh, OK then :)
[09:59] <simplew> im running the quantzal live cd and when i click to install and i set the mount points, i click to continue and then i get that it cant use the swap partition, why is this happening???
[10:00] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, try sudo swapoff -a
[10:00] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, then try the installer and see what you get :D
[10:00] <simplew> WarOfTheNerd, why is needed to disable swap?
[10:01] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, sometimes it uses it before installer loads and thus it goes dumb and can't repartition properly
[10:01] <simplew> well thats a bug...
[10:01] <simplew> WarOfTheNerd, anyway thanks
[10:02] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, well yeah, but it's an ancient one that has been fixed in the past - try it and if installer works, it's probably a stupid regression
[10:02] <simplew> WarOfTheNerd, why is not possible to select the encryption cypher and why isnt possible to set encrypted lvm?
[10:03] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, Ubuntu uses a different method of encryption, based on encrypted /home folders
[10:03] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, cipher selection has to my knowledge never been available in the live installer
[10:04] <simplew> WarOfTheNerd, just great....
[10:04] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, do you need full disk encryption?
[10:04] <simplew> of course
[10:04] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, remember that it's unnecessary except for defending against evil maid attacks
[10:04] <simplew> i always encrypt my systems
[10:05] <simplew> just encrypting home its a false security
[10:05] <WarOfTheNerd> So is encrypting the whole disk if you don't know what you're defending against
[10:05] <simplew> im defeding from entering in my machine
[10:06] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, so you're planning to always boot from CD?
[10:06] <WarOfTheNerd> if not, remember /boot is unencrypted and anyone can replace the kernel ;)
[10:06] <simplew> WarOfTheNerd, why would i need to boot from cd???
[10:06] <Mamarok> he jsut told you why :)
[10:06] <Mamarok> just*
[10:07] <dr_willis> ;P
[10:07] <simplew> i dont need to encrypt boot files
[10:07] <simplew> and if those get screwed its easily workaround
[10:07] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, why not?  What's to stop someone replacing them with trojaned versions and capturing your passphrase?
[10:07] <dr_willis> i dont really see the need to encrypt / either.. but  i dont even know the original problem
[10:08] <simplew> with a aes-xts-benbi cypher i dont see how would it be possible to crack it
[10:08] <WarOfTheNerd> dr_willis, people think encrypting / means they'll be secure because people can't modify most system files - but then they have to boot from CD or USB stick with their own known safe kernel/bootloader/initrd
[10:08] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, if someone trojaned your kernel, bootloader or initrd; since it's unprotected, they could keylog the passphrase off you
[10:09] <simplew> WarOfTheNerd, im not using a cbc cypher that can be exploited
[10:09] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, it's not about the cipher, it's about evil maid attacks against the kernel, bootloader and initrd
[10:09] <simplew> WarOfTheNerd, i really dont see how would that could happen but its a scenario
[10:11] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, it's a scenario that full disk encryption was invented to cover; because encrypting /home/* and swap provides as much security as encrypting everything but booting from an unencrypted, exposed kernel
[10:12] <simplew> i have not considered that, but having the an encrypted system its far better that having none
[10:12] <WarOfTheNerd> it is, but only having /home and swap encrypted is equal to doing everything when you're not factoring in the exposed kernel
[10:13] <simplew> but the issue is that the install should provide the encryption to the user, that is available in other main distros like Opensuse and Mageia for example
[10:13] <simplew> reboot time
[10:13] <WarOfTheNerd> You can do it with the alternate installer, which is comparable to what the other two provide
[10:32] <simplew> in /etc/fstab of the isntalled quantzal i see this: overlayfs / overlayfs rw 0 0       why is that line in fstab for / ?
[11:52] <lampsBR> good morning. Is this the right place to ask about the gnome 3.x launcher? =D
[11:58] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:59] <drbobb> hi, today's update of quantal seems to want to remove apper, libpackagekit, kde-standard
[12:00] <drbobb> and some other stuff which doesn't look like it should be removed
[12:00] <drbobb> is something broken?
[12:01] <lampsBR> I did the update and my system appears to be running ok. But i'm not running kde, i'm on gnome 3.6
[12:02] <drbobb> are you on a laptop? mine seems to have lost the ability to switch off the toughpad
[12:02] <drbobb> touchpad
[12:03] <lampsBR> nop, i'm on a lenovo desktop. usb kb and mouse.
[12:03] <drbobb> I can't type a single line without touching the damn thing and throwing the cursor all over the place
[12:04] <drbobb> I use a usb wireless mouse anyway, can't stand touchpads
[12:05] <lampsBR> =]
[12:06] <drbobb> there is an option "switch off touchpad while typing" in system settings, but it doesn't work
[12:07] <drbobb> yeah I know this is a beta, I just hope this is gone before release
[12:11] <drbobb> anyway, not trying to flamebait or anything, but kde nowadays is so much better than gnome or unity, it isn't even funny ;)
[12:14] <lampsBR> hahahaha u troll. ;]
[12:15] <drbobb> my personal opinion of course (but then, why would I be voicing someone else's)
[12:30] <Simplew> i have followed the howto https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemLVMHowto to have ubunti QUANTZAL encrypted in LVM but when booting it does not aks for the passord to open the encrypted container, can anone tell me whats going on
[12:30] <Simplew> appears to me that ubuntu is not reading /etc/crypttab
[12:32] <ferni> Simplew: check that you do have the package "cryptsetup" installed
[12:33] <Simplew> ferni: yes it is
[12:33] <kawaiidesu> what's new in the final beta?
[12:33] <kawaiidesu> where's the blueprints
[12:37] <kawaiidesu> Meh found it, thanks guys
[14:17] <bercik1> Hi!
[14:18] <bercik1> Is ATi 12.9 beta compatible with Ubuntu 12.10 beta? I cant get it working
[14:30] <philinux> bercik1: it's a very slow channel at time. You might be better with a thread here. http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=416
[14:38] <Daekdroom> Did Empathy stop working for anyone else?
[14:38] <silverarrow> has anyone tried quantal on powerpc?
[14:47] <TheOneRing> [11:17:13] <TheOneRing> kubuntu 12.10 beta 2 still only boots into a black screen on a gma 600
[14:47] <TheOneRing> could anyone investigate?
[14:51] <wilee-nilee> TheOneRing, Are you familiar with nomodeset as a option?
[14:52] <wilee-nilee> !nomodeset
[14:52] <silverarrow> for quantal bootup?
[14:53] <silverarrow> yeah, I tried it
[14:53] <silverarrow> not for the latest dailies though
[14:54] <TheOneRing> ok Ill test nomodeset
[15:05] <TheOneRing> wilee-nilee: hm I still get a black screen
[15:07] <wilee-nilee> TheOneRing, This a install or booting a cd, and have you installed any graphic drivers?
[15:08] <TheOneRing> yes its on booting the image
[15:08] <TheOneRing> using unetbootin
[15:08] <wilee-nilee> TheOneRing, Ah you were able to find the option for nomodeset with unetbootin?
[15:08] <TheOneRing> because I dont have a cd drive or a second usb slot (the one I got is used by the keyboard)
[15:09] <TheOneRing> I added them manually
[15:10] <TheOneRing> kernel /casper/vmlinuz boot=casper only-ubiquity quiet splas nomodeset --
[15:10] <wilee-nilee> TheOneRing, Ah I'm not familiar with unetbootin other then straight booting in so I can't really confirm if what you have done is correct, I think others may be more helpful here.
[15:10] <wilee-nilee> probably correct I'm just used to the f6 option.
[15:10] <TheOneRing> eit more or less enables you to boot the cd image from your harddrive(windows)
[15:11] <TheOneRing> its a grub but the grafical grub is disabled but I can edit the boot options
[15:11] <wilee-nilee> I have to get going to a meeting so best of luck. ;)
[15:11] <TheOneRing> hm thx
[15:13] <TheOneRing> btw I installed a kubuntu 12.4 and made a distupgrade, so now I have kubuntu 12.4 installed and the same issue
[15:13] <TheOneRing> getting a black screen after booting
[15:13] <TheOneRing> but I was able to install sshd before
[15:14] <TheOneRing> so I could give you some logs or stuff like that
[15:17] <BluesKaj> TheOneRing, this channel is for 12.10 support , join #ubuntu for 12.04 help
[15:17] <TheOneRing> I need help with both :P
[15:18] <silverarrow> ...that binds us all
[15:18] <silverarrow> them all
[15:18] <silverarrow> should be banned really
[15:18] <BluesKaj> you have both 12.04 and 12.10 installed ?
[15:19] <TheOneRing> 12.04 installed with wubi
[15:19] <BluesKaj> oh
[15:19] <BluesKaj> and 12.10?
[15:19] <TheOneRing> and 12.10 not yet installed because I cant boot it :P
[15:19] <silverarrow> if he has done a dist upgrade he should be in 12.10
[15:19] <TheOneRing> getting a black screen on boot
[15:20] <BluesKaj> in wubi?
[15:20] <Pici> no, thats not what a dist-upgrade is.
[15:20] <TheOneRing> Welcome to Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS (GNU/Linux 3.2.0-32-generic-pae i686)
[15:20] <BluesKaj> a dist upgrade doesn't upgrade to a new release
[15:21] <BluesKaj> !dist-upgrade
[15:21] <silverarrow> yeah, you are right, that is the sude release upgrade
[15:22] <BluesKaj> no , it's sudo do-release-upgrade -d if you want to upgrade to a alpha or beta release
[15:23] <silverarrow> exactly
[15:23] <silverarrow> but I always have to look them up to get them right
[15:24] <silverarrow> I am looking into two subjects at the moment
[15:24] <silverarrow> one missing alsamixer
[15:24] <BluesKaj> TheOneRing, so you're still on 12.04 in wubi
[15:24] <TheOneRing> yes
[15:24] <silverarrow> two, radeon drivers actually working with xorg and graphics card
[15:25] <BluesKaj> so for 12.04 support , join #ubuntu
[15:25] <silverarrow>  you get help fast in the #ubuntu channel, at least usually
[15:26] <silverarrow> unless you are on ppc
[15:26] <TheOneRing>  sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[15:26] <TheOneRing> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[15:26] <TheOneRing> No new release found
[15:26] <TheOneRing> so how to get the dist upgrade via console?
[15:26] <silverarrow> or wear a green shirt
[15:27] <silverarrow> maybe you have to mark of  in settings for it to take
[15:27] <myk_robinson> Morning, all
[15:28] <myk_robinson> Got a weird problem. hoping to get some help. Graphics on some sites, for some reason, I just cannot see
[15:28] <BluesKaj> the open the software center and disable the option LTS upgrade notification only , or something similar , TheOneRing
[15:28] <TheOneRing> hm I only can acces the device over ssh
[15:28] <myk_robinson> Looking at Google Ad Words, and lots of the graphics are missing. The same is true of my remote management site with GFI Max. They work fine on my Windows machine, however.
[15:28] <TheOneRing> and x over ssh is quite slow
[15:28] <myk_robinson> Screenshots coming shortly
[15:29] <BluesKaj> myk_robinson, install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:29] <myk_robinson> BluesKaj: It's already installed
[15:30] <myk_robinson> Here's a shot
[15:30] <myk_robinson> http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/bplvuvyl/Selection_001.png
[15:30] <TheOneRing> BluesKaj: ok got it with ssh xforwarding
[15:31] <myk_robinson> ..and again from the Google AdWords page:    http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/v5oxrjk8/Selection_003.png
[15:31] <myk_robinson> For whatever its worth, i get the same issue in Firefox or Chrome
[15:33] <BluesKaj> GFI Max?
[15:34] <myk_robinson> yes
[15:34] <silverarrow> what would it take to get city and area code right?
[15:34] <silverarrow> I am in Bergen
[15:34] <myk_robinson> BluesKaj: its a tool for managed service providers
[15:35] <BluesKaj> myk_robinson, I'm asking what  GFI Max is
[15:35] <myk_robinson> remote management solutions, etc, for IT service providers
[15:35] <myk_robinson> That screenshot was from my dashboard where I can check on some of the systems I am monitoring
[15:36] <myk_robinson> weird, now the images are showing.. Hasn't worked in a few days, seemed to coincide with me beta testing Ubuntu 12.10... I now also notice on the Google AdWords page, as I refresh the page, I get random results. Sometimes they will show, sometimes not...
[15:37] <myk_robinson> Perhaps server issues either on the other end or something abnormal going on with the ISP...
[15:38] <myk_robinson> have no clue what it is, seems to only be affecting these two pages at the moment. My "normal" browing is working just fine..
[15:38] <BluesKaj> myk_robinson, sorry I have no experience with remote management and I don't think that's a support subject for ubuntu
[15:38] <myk_robinson> My issue is not with the remote management, but with the graphics not displaying in the browser
[15:38] <silverarrow> I`m lost at sea
[15:39] <myk_robinson> I was simply answering your inquiry as to what GFI Max is :)
[15:39] <silverarrow> don`t even know what to search for, sound and kernel changes in quantal
[15:39] <myk_robinson> My screenshots are showing the missing graphics on webpages
[15:39] <BluesKaj> well , GFI Max seems to be the problem , doesn't it , myk_robinson?
[15:39] <silverarrow> myk_robinson: yeah, it is interesting
[15:40] <myk_robinson> NO! It also occurs on the Google AdWords page...
[15:40] <myk_robinson> and as I stated before, the pages in question work fine on my Windows machine, which leads me to wonder if something is amiss in this release of Ubuntu
[15:40] <myk_robinson> This is all stated in my original question
[15:41] <BluesKaj> well ,it is beta after all ...it's not for a production/office situation
[15:41] <myk_robinson> i understand that.... Just asking a question, relax
[15:41] <myk_robinson> this is not mission critical, just finding possible bugs like everyone else
[15:42] <myk_robinson> This is one that I can only duplicate on the 12.10 beta, and makes no sense, as the graphics in question are simple .gif files
[15:42] <myk_robinson> The fact that the issue spans two broswers on the same system but works fine on a another computer on the same network suggests the issue is somewhere within this clean install of the OS
[15:43] <myk_robinson> just trying to find the root so I can properly report it, but somehow it is wrong for me to pose this on a public forum that is for spotting bugs in the beta OS?
[15:50] <whitman> Anyone else seeing this nvidia-settings-updates error? http://pastebin.com/D14PQV1R
[15:56] <BluesKaj> whitman, that's nvidia-current upgrade which seems to have failed , try sudo dpkg --configure -a , then sudo apt-get install -f
[15:59] <whitman> BluesKaj, I'd already purged nvida-settings-updates in the hope it would install properly after that but still the same error.
[16:00] <BluesKaj> whitman, which nvidia card ?
[16:01] <whitman> An old AGP GeForce 6200
[16:02] <BluesKaj> whitman, yeah the updates can be troublesome thru the software center , seems to coatin breakages for nvidia upgrades
[16:02] <BluesKaj> contain
[16:02] <whitman> I'll give it a few days and try again
[16:04] <BluesKaj> geforce 6200 should be supported ..I've seen 6150s working ok on 12.10 but I think they're pcie cards
[16:05] <whitman> The drivers seem to be installed ok, just seems to be nvidia-settings-updates that won't install.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> whitman, don't use them , uninstall them
[16:10] <BluesKaj> I haven't used nvidia-settings-updates , since they broke my setup about 5-6 weeks ago
[16:11] <BluesKaj> whitman, I installed the new 304.51 driver successfully without errors this morning
[16:12] <whitman> Hmm, well there's a bug open about it which I'll keep an eye on, everything else seems to work. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-settings-updates/+bug/1061659
[16:16] <bjsnider> there should be an alternative for that file which would resolve that issue
[16:17] <bjsnider> i understand the .51 blob breaks compiz though
[16:17] <whitman> Technically I'm using Xubuntu on that machine so that's ok for me :)
[16:21] <BluesKaj> no need for compiz here altho my understnding is that kwin integrates compiz or parts of it
[16:22] <BluesKaj> bbl
[16:26] <komputes> How can I make a request to get twinkle (sip client) back in the repos?
[16:27] <micahg> komputes: get it ported to qt4
[16:27] <micahg> then get it into Debian...then request a backport
[16:28] <komputes> micahg: Is that necessary?
[16:29] <micahg> komputes: which part?
[16:29] <komputes> porting to qt4
[16:29] <micahg> yes
[16:29] <micahg> qt3 is gone in quantal
[16:29] <komputes> but I use the command line part of twinkle too
[16:29] <micahg> (should've been gone for precise, but that's another story)
[16:31] <micahg> sflphone, linphone, qutecom, and ekiga are other options currently in quantal
[16:33] <micahg> komputes: twinkle is available in precise for 5 years FWIW
[16:34] <komputes> micahg: yeah, but I'm encouraged to use the latest
[16:34]  * komputes starts testing alternatives
[17:35] <IdleOne> tomasm-: in the topic there is a link that should give you the info you need
[17:48] <tomasm-> i've read theres some new amazon suggestions in the dashboard..... is this something that can be turned off easily?
[17:49] <bazhang> !adlens
[17:49] <tomasm-> k
[17:50] <tomasm-> i'd think it might be less intrusive to have it disabled by default until someone clicks on 'show me suggestions from amazon' or something.... have it be a setting rather than simply installing/removing the package... what about if there are multiple users, and some want it and some dont?
[17:52] <IdleOne> it is up to the admin to decide what is best for all the users
[17:53] <IdleOne> if the admin is half decent he/she will take users opinions into consideration.
[17:54] <tomasm-> hmmmm, sounds very totalitarian. i thought linux was about freedom and customizability per user
[17:54] <IdleOne> it is.
[17:54] <IdleOne> but even in a free society there needs to be someone who makes the final decision
[17:56] <tomasm-> i take it ubuntu/unity is headed in the 'no-customization-needed' direction
[17:56] <bazhang> not really no
[17:56] <thiebaude> tomasm-, im trying to like it
[17:57] <thiebaude> but....
[17:57] <bazhang> I have around ten choices when I login
[17:57] <tomasm-> bazhang, you mean other WMs? or customization within unity?
[17:57] <bazhang> and GNOME classic *no effects* wfm
[17:57] <bazhang> on 12.10
[17:57] <tomasm-> thiebaude, but??
[17:58] <IdleOne> tomasm-: I should say there is probably a way of using the shopping lens on a per user base. I don't know how that is done though
[17:58] <thiebaude> everything is slow to open
[17:58] <thiebaude> its almost unusable
[17:58] <bazhang> so troubleshoot or use something else
[17:58] <tomasm-> thiebaude, I installed xcfe only and it's fast as heck
[17:58] <thiebaude> i think i'll put gnome classic on here
[17:59] <bazhang> there are *tons* of choices
[17:59] <thiebaude> yep
[17:59] <thiebaude> been using linux since ubuntu 6.10
[17:59] <thiebaude> :)
[17:59] <bazhang> gnome-panel and gnome-shell I added right away
[17:59] <thiebaude> ok bazhang i'll do that
[17:59] <yofel> are you running unity in a VM? I've tried a live disk a while ago and it was ok, just in a VM it's slow as hell
[17:59] <IdleOne> I got Kubuntu and it runs smooth as ice
[17:59] <bazhang> not even checked anything out about gnome-shell yet
[18:00] <thiebaude> no vm here
[18:00] <bazhang> the thing about unity is it has some very nice lenses
[18:00] <thiebaude> yes it does
[18:00] <bazhang> like the askubuntu one
[18:00] <thiebaude> i like where ubuntu is going with that
[18:00] <tomasm-> IdleOne, I just got the impression that unity is deliberately being stripped of flexibility/customization... kinda like the apple philosophy of minimalism. but i think advanced users should still have a choice.
[18:00] <TheOneRing> hm hzow to fix The following packages have been kept back:
[18:00] <TheOneRing>   linux-generic-pae linux-headers-generic-pae linux-image-generic-pae
[18:00] <TheOneRing> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[18:01]  * yofel doesn't particulary see why he needs his webbrowser integrated into the Desktop
[18:01] <thiebaude> ok guys bbl
[18:01] <jtaylor> TheOneRing: apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:01] <bazhang> and the system settings, and so many other areas are just *so* polished
[18:01] <bazhang> ok
[18:01] <IdleOne> tomasm-: it's the opposite really, there is more flexibility now then there was on the first Unity release
[18:01] <bazhang> whoops
[18:02] <TheOneRing> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:02] <TheOneRing> Reading package lists... Done
[18:02] <TheOneRing> Building dependency tree
[18:02] <TheOneRing> Reading state information... Done
[18:02] <TheOneRing> Calculating upgrade... Done
[18:02] <TheOneRing> The following packages have been kept back:
[18:02] <TheOneRing>   linux-generic-pae linux-headers-generic-pae linux-image-generic-pae
[18:02] <TheOneRing> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[18:02] <yofel> !paste | TheOneRing
[18:02] <TheOneRing> :P
[18:03] <yofel> looks like the meta package was published before the kernel binaries
[18:03] <yofel> wait a few hours
[18:03] <tomasm-> IdleOne, well im glad the unity developers are loosening up
[18:03] <bazhang> hah
[18:03] <IdleOne> tomasm-: I agree that it could be better.
[18:03] <BluesKaj> TheOneRing, what's point of your post?
[18:04] <TheOneRing> that I get the  3 not upgraded message on dist-upgrade
[18:04] <TheOneRing> so dist-upgrade wont help me
[18:04] <yofel> just wait
[18:04] <IdleOne> TheOneRing:  looks like the meta package was published before the kernel binaries ~yofel~
[18:07] <thiebaude> when i click on tweak-tool is does not come up, any suggestions?
[18:10] <thiebaude> im re-installing it now
[18:11] <Simplew> i have created an encrypted lvm and installed ubuntu quantzal beta 2 in it, however when booting it does NOT asks for the password to open the encrypted container, seams it does not read /etc/crypttab, can anyone tell whats going on?
[19:09] <Simplew> i just reinstalled ubuntu and the file /etc/crypttab does NOT exist!!! and the package cryptsetup is installed by default, how can this be???
[19:23] <zoktar> is there a way to create custom launchers in unity for 12.10?
[19:25] <trism> zoktar: sure, just create .desktop files for them and put them in ~/.local/share/applications/
[19:25] <zoktar> thanks
[20:08] <Simplew> i just reinstalled ubuntu and the file /etc/crypttab does NOT exist!!! and the package cryptsetup is installed by default, how can this be???
[20:21] <trism> fun, compiz crash during do-release-upgrade, and on respawn: compizconfig - Error: dlopen: /usr/lib/compizconfig/backends/libgconf.so: cannot open shared object file, so I guess compiz already upgraded
[20:23] <foormea> hi. quick question, in telepathy i ticked the box to let it run in the background
[20:23] <foormea> how do i then close the background job?! i tried killing it but it kept coming back. after a reboot it fixed it but... apart from rebooting, what can i do?
[21:50] <silverarrow> does anyone use RTL8187 drivers
[21:50] <silverarrow> ?
[21:50] <silverarrow> they should be tested for quatal,
[22:12] <TheOneRing> yea I updated the kubuntu 12.4 instalation installed with wubi to 12.10
[22:12] <TheOneRing> now I get a error when I try to start x11
[22:12] <TheOneRing> http://paste.kde.org/562490/
[22:13] <Guest57307> hey all, I installed quantal amd64 today which works very nicely btw, the installer had all the options I needed (entryption, lvm, etc.)
[22:13] <Guest57307> but now I can't get jhbuild to build anything
[22:13] <Guest57307> it complains about wireless-tools not being installed, though it is installed
[22:13] <Zta> Upgrading to Ubuntu 12.10 wiped all my custom keyboard bindings.  Now I would like to make a script that make it easy to restore them.  Anyone happen to know how?  Back in 11.04 I used gconf...
[22:13] <jrib> Zta: dconf has replaced gconf
[22:13] <Guest57307> I'm using the same .jhbuildrc I used previously on an arch setup that worked fine
[22:14] <jrib> Guest57307: you have the corresponding -dev package installed?
[22:14] <Guest57307> jrib, there doesn't seem to be any -dev package for wireless-tools
[22:14] <Zta> Is it a known bug that the Launcher won't autohide?
[22:14] <Guest57307> at least apt-cache search wireless-tools isn't showing one
[22:14] <Guest57307> maybe it's got some funky name?
[22:14] <jrib> Guest57307: I haven't used jhbuild in a long time.  Maybe you can pastebin exactly what you are seeing?
[22:15] <silverarrow> can anyone do me a favor? look up the package linux-image-3.5.0-16-
[22:15] <jrib> silverarrow: why not use http://packages.ubuntu.com ?
[22:15] <silverarrow> it is a driver package, for wireless
[22:15] <Guest57307> jrib, it just says No matching system package installed: wireless-tools (required=25)
[22:16] <Guest57307> ubuntu has version 30, so I changed the 25 to 30 in the moduleset xml files, but it still complains
[22:16] <silverarrow> well, trouble is I cannot launch bug report
[22:16] <Guest57307> it seems to be looking for a wireless.h file according to the xml
[22:16]  * Guest57307 looks for what package provides that
[22:17]  * Guest57307 installs libiw-dev and tries
[22:17] <Guest57307> phew, much better
[22:18] <Guest57307> thanks for listening guys, good job on the installer too btw, it rocks
[22:20] <silverarrow> jrib, no, it does not help
[22:21] <silverarrow> why would a package not be recognized in the bug-report launcher?
[22:22] <yofel> silverarrow: linux-image-3.5.0-16- is incomplete, for the kernel 'ubuntu-bug linux' is enough
[22:28] <TheOneRing> http://paste.kde.org/562490/ with a gma600


[06:30] <yopuz> Hi, I want to submit a bug but I don't know how to proceed, is an audio related bug with my laptop and the docking station
[06:38] <yopuz> oh I've found there is an app for that, ubuntu-bug :)


[03:43] <vubuntor915> I can't open Ubuntu Software Center, how to fix this problem
[09:40] <CoconutCrab> ps -e | grep hav
[09:40] <CoconutCrab> ops


[08:31] <soee> good morning
[09:38] <allee> vhanda
[09:53] <Riddell> hola
[09:55] <Riddell> valorie: have you spokes to sgclark about travel?
[10:00] <soee> Riddell: this meta package for plasma-next you mentioned last week was missing is ready now ?
[10:01] <Riddell> not yet I'm afraid, too many releases!
[10:05] <Riddell> hey looking nice and green :) http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_4.98.0_utopic.html
[10:07] <soee> Riddell: yeah thats why i asked about this package - to test this green stuff :)
[10:08] <Riddell> you can install it all, you just need to look at each source package and work out what binary packages it makes to install
[10:11] <Riddell> I'll install it in an hour or two once I fix a couple of compile issues I see, I'll let you know how that works
[10:13] <soee> Riddell: ok, thanks
[10:14] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:15] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[10:17] <BluesKaj> Hey soee
[10:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: alive?
[10:30]  * soee wonders why in plasma-next ppa some packages are with version 4:4.97.0 when we have already 4.98
[10:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: which ones?
[10:38] <Riddell> soee: which ones?
[10:40] <soee> Riddell: for example kde-baseapps 4:4.97.0~git20140627-0ubuntu1, konsole 4:4.97.0~git20140623-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa3 or baloo5 and baloo-widgets5
[10:41] <Riddell> soee: konsole and kde-baseapps don't get released yet so we just take a snapshot
[10:41] <Riddell> soee: baloo5 source has been renamed to baloo
[10:41] <Riddell> and baloo-widgets5 is also a snapshot
[10:41] <Riddell> so that's all good
[10:42] <soee> Riddell: why do theu dont released /tehy arent part of the plasma5  ?
[10:43] <Riddell> soee: they're not part of plasma5, they'll be part of applications which is still work in progress
[10:45] <soee> ok to have it more clear: kf5 = frameworks for apps and other stuff, plasma5 = more or less GUI and apps = apps build on top of kf5 ?
[10:46] <Riddell> soee: yep :)
[10:47] <Riddell> which were all released together as KDE SC in the olden days but now are released separately
[10:47] <soee> so in first plac we have kf5, than plasma5, than we can expect apps right ?
[10:49] <Riddell> yep
[11:15] <Corodius> just out of pure curiousity, will there (eventually) be packages for Kubuntu 14.04, in some form (I assume a different PPA) for KF5/Plasma 5 similar to Kubuntu-Next PPA? Or will it only be packages as project neon 5 is now? just curious as I said :)
[12:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no, I died, this is my ethereal form
[12:24] <Riddell> Corodius: I doubt we will package KF5 for 14.04, I don't think there will be much demand and it'll take a lot of time
[12:31]  * yofel spots a slayer's ghost lingering about in the shade...
[12:34] <shadeslayer> :>
[12:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[12:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: u got utopic plasma5?
[12:45] <shadeslayer> no
[12:45] <shadeslayer> I got the supreme neon one
[12:45] <apachelogger> :@
[12:45]  * apachelogger needs a dpkg -L of plasma-workspace-data
[12:45] <Riddell> hi apachelogger
[12:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: yo, please be pasting dpkg -L plasma-workspace-data
[12:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma-workspace-data
[12:46] <apachelogger>  /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/klipper
[12:46] <apachelogger> hurr durr, I think khelpcenter won't find that
[12:46] <Riddell> muchos translations
[12:46] <apachelogger> ah it will
[12:46] <apachelogger> :O
[12:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do we have no plasma5 khelpcenter in neon
[12:47] <apachelogger> what is this?
[12:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: all goody, thanks for the paste
[12:47] <Corodius> Riddell: No worries, Thank you for the reply!
[12:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nope
[12:51] <shadeslayer> not that I can tell
[12:59] <soee> Riddell: tested the latets plasma in VB, plasma-desktop held back as usual, after installing it  and rebbot problem with dbus after login and back to login screen
[13:05] <Riddell> soee: try installing qt5-default
[13:07] <sgclark> Riddell: good morning, should I make new snapshots of the apps, or is there another priority for me today
[13:09] <Riddell> sgclark: plasma-workspace could do with some love
[13:09] <sgclark> Riddell: ahh missed that, on it
[13:10] <BluesKaj> hard to love something that has the word "work" in it :)
[13:11] <BluesKaj> for me anyway
[13:12] <soee> Riddell: worked with qt5-default ;)
[13:12] <Riddell> yay!
[13:12] <Riddell> I should work out how to make qt5-default not required
[13:13] <Riddell> something needs qdbus, not sure what
[13:13]  * soee wonders how this ll wil work on my laptop (not VB)
[13:13] <Riddell> it'll work awesome
[13:13] <Riddell> money back guarantee
[13:14] <soee> after last try im not so optimistic
[13:14] <Riddell> sgclark: ignore the KF5XmlRpcClient that plasma-workspace wants, shadeslayer is working on that but the others should be easy to add
[13:14] <sgclark> ok
[13:14] <soee> here wss a fresh installation in VB, while on laptop it will use current user folder/settings
[13:15] <soee> and they might result with som problems
[13:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: sgclark http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/plasma-devel/2014-July/033409.html
[13:16] <BluesKaj> i see a lot of qt5 libs in muon that aren't installed, why not ?
[13:16] <Riddell> because you haven't installed them?
[13:16] <BluesKaj> not ready for prime time I suppose
[13:17] <shadeslayer> what
[13:17] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: if they're not required they won't be installed
[13:18]  * BluesKaj refrains from asking anymore dumb questions
[13:23] <soee> Riddell: just wonder, if i now install plasma withoout meta files, and i miss some files, are they going to be installed when you add this meta info ?
[13:33] <Riddell> soee: yes
[13:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: override_dh_auto_configure:
[13:38] <shadeslayer>         $(overridden_command) -- -DECM_MKSPECS_INSTALL_DIR=/usr/share/qt5/mkspecs/modules/
[13:38] <shadeslayer> why the ECM_MKSPECS_INSTALL_DIR in karchive
[13:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: probably historical, you can get rid of it as we set that in ecm directly now
[13:39] <shadeslayer> cheers
[13:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'll upload karchive to the archive after some changelog cleanup then
[13:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yay :)
[13:49] <shadeslayer> mmm
[13:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: karchive has no VCS packaging entries
[13:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: many of them probably miss that
[13:50] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:55] <shadeslayer> ScottK: karchive uploaded to the archive
[13:55] <shadeslayer> plz be reviewing
[13:55] <shadeslayer> oh
[13:55] <ScottK> I'll probably have not much time for that this week.
[13:55] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:55] <shadeslayer> I'll work on ecm next
[13:56] <shadeslayer> ScottK: it's not time sensitive
[13:56] <shadeslayer> ScottK: as long as it gets in before FF
[14:00] <Riddell> or I can review
[14:00] <Riddell> but why upload karchive before ecm?
[14:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah, I forgot about ecm
[14:00] <shadeslayer> doing that right now
[14:00] <shadeslayer> for some reason I thought ecm was already in the archive
[14:01]  * soee second attempt to install plasma5 +.+
[14:01] <Riddell> sgclark: your packaging is now entering the archive!
[14:02] <sgclark> Riddell: ?
[14:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: there, ecm uploded
[14:03] <shadeslayer> I need to acquire food now
[14:03] <shadeslayer> brb
[14:07] <kubotu> feed branches-next had 7 updates, showing the latest 6
[14:08] <Riddell> sgclark: shadeslayer is taking the kf5 packaging and putting it into the ubuntu archive for all to use, no PPA needed
[14:08] <sgclark> oh wow
[14:09] <Riddell> at last your chance for fame and glory :)
[14:09] <sgclark> Riddell: shadeslayer: want me to update all of them to include VCS, actually been meaning to do that
[14:09] <Riddell> sgclark: yeah that would be good
[14:10] <sgclark> on it
[14:10] <Riddell> and writing a blog post saying how great it is and how more people should come and help out would be nice too :)
[14:10] <sgclark> Riddell: ok lol, need to dust off my blog
[14:13] <soee> back :O
[14:13] <soee> Riddell: i had the same issue - plasme did not load after login
[14:13] <soee> *plasma
[14:13] <soee> so i emptied my user folder, reboot and now im on plasma-next :)
[14:18] <Riddell> sgclark: oh breeze needs some love, it's putting everything into breeze-cursor-theme but it now installs icons and other bits
[14:18] <sgclark> Riddell: ok, on it
[14:21] <soee> some icons missing in system-settings
[14:21] <soee> also, im not sure is system-seetings package is updated as some entries liek Compositor are missing
[14:23] <soee> dolphin crashes :/
[14:24] <Riddell> well, it's allowed to, it's unreleased :)
[14:25] <soee> what about krunner its also  not available ?
[14:25] <Riddell> soee: works for me
[14:26] <Riddell> plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/krunner
[14:27] <soee> ok so its probably the problme with not working shortcuts
[14:28] <soee> i have krunner process but can activcate it with ALT + F2
[14:30] <soee> then new icons theme is not available yet ?
[14:32] <Riddell> it's not complete, you can install breeze-cursor-theme (sgclark will fix the packaging) and switch to it in system settings
[14:33] <Riddell> soee: do you have /usr/bin/kglobalaccel5 running?
[14:33] <Riddell> plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/kglobalaccel5
[14:33] <shadeslayer> sgclark: go ahead
[14:33] <soee> Riddell: this is some command: plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/kglobalaccel5 ?
[14:33] <Riddell> command is /usr/bin/kglobalaccel5
[14:33] <Riddell> package is plasma-workspace
[14:34] <Riddell> although it should get started by dbus I think
[14:34] <soee> Riddell: yes i can see it in system monitor
[14:35] <Riddell> soee: those missing patches in system settings are nice easy bugs to fix if you want to get your hands dirty
[14:35] <Riddell> missing icons I mean
[14:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8002194
[14:36] <soee> Riddell: probably but atm i would have to spend a lot of time working out how to create, send them etc :)
[14:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: bah, no mention of kubuntu :(
[14:37] <shadeslayer> yep
[14:37] <Riddell> jmux: I'll sue!
[14:37] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:37] <soee> milou is not working here also ?
[14:38] <shadeslayer> soee: huh?
[14:38] <shadeslayer> does milou not work for you in trusty?
[14:38] <soee> no idea :) im on 14.10
[14:43] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[14:48] <shadeslayer> sgclark: you might also want to add the stable url in debian/watch
[14:48] <sgclark> shadeslayer: ok will do
[14:55] <sgclark> Riddell: can you review breeze to see that I split them out correctly
[14:58]  * Riddell in meeting for a few minutes..
[15:06] <soee> workspaces dont work with new plasma
[15:06] <kubotu> feed branches-next had 10 updates, showing the latest 6
[15:07] <Riddell> soee: what do you mean by workspaces?
[15:08] <soee> sorry, *activities
[15:08] <soee> switching activity leads to plasmashell crash
[15:09] <Riddell> mm
[15:10] <soee> at first 1-2 crashes it retsarts but than it dies for good
[15:11] <soee> and after reebot  crashes after login, deleteing som dot folders in home dir helps
[15:11] <soee> disn't inspect what folder/folders exactly
[15:11] <Riddell> how do you even add or change an activity?
[15:12] <Riddell> ah needs the plasma applet on the panel
[15:12] <Riddell> works good here
[15:12] <Riddell> got kactivities installed?
[15:13] <soee> Riddell: yes
[15:14] <Riddell> soee: best report a bug I guess
[15:15] <jmux> Riddell: Hmm. Nobody I asked knew of it. I don't think there is a problem, but it would have been polite to ask for an Ok... and yes, we're using Kubuntu ;-)
[15:15] <Riddell> hah, so canonical just being cheeky
[15:15] <jmux> Those BSP and Hackfests are for a reason
[15:16] <Riddell> jmux: I think we'll schedule ours for the end of november to space it out for akademy by the way
[15:16] <shadeslayer> I am unsure if we want one tbh :p
[15:17] <Riddell> you and your swanning off to switzerland
[15:17] <shadeslayer> we could just crash the BSP and get frameworks into debian
[15:17] <Riddell> crash our own BSP?
[15:17] <shadeslayer> crash Debian's BSP
[15:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the idea is to have it joint with debian (at least)
[15:17]  * shadeslayer throws some tacos at kconfig
[15:17] <Riddell> that's why I send them the same doodle poll
[15:17] <shadeslayer> ah ok
 jmux: I think we'll schedule ours for the end of november to space it out for akademy by the way < made me think we were going to have a separate one
[15:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the other people invited are libreoffice and kdepim
[15:21] <jmux> Well - I guess LO won't be at a BSP, as theiy have their big konference in September and a Hackfest in Toulouse at November. Yesterday I finally got a reply from Debian.
[15:21] <jmux> I'll send a writeup tomorrow
[15:21] <soee> hmm
[15:27] <Riddell> jmux: oh? what did they say?
[15:27] <Riddell> jmux: anything from kdepim?
[15:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I keep forgetting, workspace is not meant to be co installable right?
[15:28] <ScottK> It's not
[15:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no, except parts which overlap with kde-runtime
[15:28]  * shadeslayer goes back to replying to email thread
[15:29] <ScottK> apachelogger: You should see my latest mail to kubuntu-devel.  It involves somewhat fancy use of make and sed in combination.
[15:29] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ you too.
[15:30]  * ScottK would like some feeeback on this.
[15:30] <Riddell> wibble, control.in, they're quite fragile from anything I've seen using them
[15:31] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I actually think it's a neat idea
[15:31] <shadeslayer> less manual work
[15:31] <shadeslayer> and everyone knows I'm all for less work :p
[15:32] <ScottK> Riddell: One thing a non-prototype instantiation would do is have a big comment across the top that says something like "### DO NOT EDIT - CHANGES WILL BE LOST - EDIT CONTROL.IN INSTEAD ###"
[15:32] <ScottK> That's really the only issue I've seen with it.
[15:33] <ScottK> The thing that's really fragile (and IIRC forbidden) is to try to generate dependencies this way.
[15:33] <ScottK> We use control.in on the python metapackages and it's fine as long as you remember to edit control.in and not control.
[15:34] <jmux> Riddell: Well - you also got all the reply, I have. KDE PIM had their doodle poll linked in the initial mail. Basicalyy they just wait for my announcement, preferably in November,
[15:35] <jmux> Riddell: Seem I misread a name - the wasn't Debian but the KDE PIM...
[15:39] <jmux> BTW - anybody already tried to port an app to KDE5? I'll get 5 students in September for half a year and I had the idea to improve the LO KDE4 backend (I have a plan) and a port to KDE5 (I have no plan).
[15:40] <Riddell> jmux: I've not yet but there are plenty of Kubuntu specific buts that need ported to Qt5/KF5
[15:41] <Riddell> and surely LO KDE needs some Qt5 porting
[15:44] <jmux> Well I just want to prevent major fights with KDE5 before assigning the students. I didn't try KDE5 yet. The students should focus on the KDE5 port and not struggling to much with the very new KDE5 desktop.
[15:44] <jmux> We have other projects - the students are free to choose. I just thought it might be an interesting project.
[15:44] <Riddell> jmux: yeah that's fine, no need to run Plasma 5 to port apps to KF5
[15:44] <Riddell> interesting and useful
[15:46] <jmux> So installing Kubuntu 14.04 with kde5 libs (from PPA?) should be fine.
[15:48] <Riddell> jmux: 14.10
[15:48] <Riddell> needs to be utopic to get kf5 bits
[15:48] <Riddell> but it's perfectly stable
[15:49] <shadeslayer> ^^
[15:49] <soee> iv installed latest updates and now activiteis work oO
[15:49]  * jmux fixes LO bugs since three months - deep inside low level LO code
[15:50] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:50] <soee> but the main issue is shortcuts now, kurunner etc
[16:06] <soee> not usre why but i have baloo v. 4.13.2 installed
[16:06] <soee> is it valid ?
[16:07] <shadeslayer> soee: why not
[16:08] <shadeslayer> or well, why would it be wrong?
[16:08] <soee> shadeslayer: because in plasma-next ppa i see 4.98.0
[16:08] <Riddell> soee: install baloo-kf5
[16:09] <soee> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7766350/
[16:10] <soee> gwenview to be removed ?
[16:11] <Riddell> soee: upgrade it to version 4:4.13.2-0ubuntu1build1
[16:14] <soee> where can i find thi updated version ?
[17:00]  * ScottK pokes at apachelogger again.
[17:05] <soee> Riddell: all the issues i have might be related ot some missing packages, i have installed some now i can open krunner but it searches nothing :)
[17:14] <soee> ha linkf5runner-data was missing i think
[17:14] <soee> *libkf5runner-data
[17:16] <lordievader> Good evening.
[17:42] <shadeslayer> waaaaaaaaaaaaattttttt
[17:42] <shadeslayer> I can't revert a rev in bzr?
[17:42] <shadeslayer> what is this? the 90's?
[17:43] <yofel> huh?
[17:43] <yofel> uncommit?
[17:43] <sgclark> ?
[17:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: it's not the last commit
[17:43] <shadeslayer> it's like HEAD~3
[17:43] <shadeslayer> anyway, git bzr to the rescue
[17:43] <yofel> oh yeah, that's applying the reverse diff svn-style :P
[17:44] <shadeslayer> >.>
[17:45] <shadeslayer> oh lol
[17:45] <shadeslayer> Initial release 	20 October 2000
[17:45] <shadeslayer> for subversion
[17:45] <shadeslayer> thats my birthday
[17:45] <shadeslayer> or well, not that year
[17:45]  * yofel thought it was older...
[17:46] <shadeslayer> kind of weird how alot of initial releases happened on 20th October
[17:46] <shadeslayer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases#Ubuntu_4.10_.28Warty_Warthog.29
[17:46] <shadeslayer> I should compile a list of these things :p
[17:48] <shadeslayer> oh
[17:49] <shadeslayer> sgclark: minor note, you replaced unstable with stable, what I suggested was adding stable to the watch file
[17:49] <shadeslayer> and having unstable there too
[17:49] <shadeslayer> atleast thats what I did
[17:49] <yofel> that is the better choice in general
[17:49] <sgclark> shadeslayer: oh? oops ok, will do
[17:50] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[17:50] <shadeslayer> sgclark: it's alright :)
[17:50]  * sgclark fixes
[17:50] <shadeslayer> so far it's only been minor issues, packaging looks quite alright
[17:50] <shadeslayer> sgclark: don't do kcodecs, I'm doing it
[17:50] <sgclark> adding VCS while I am at it
[17:51] <sgclark> ok
[17:51] <shadeslayer> cheers :)
[17:52] <shadeslayer> do we *need* to build-dep on Qt5 Default?
[17:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: as regex master, do you have a way to add un/stable urls in one line?
[17:54] <shadeslayer> I tried a couple of ways, but they didn't work
[17:54] <soee> thers no polish translation atm for plasma-next ?
[17:55] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:55] <shadeslayer> lconvert: could not find a Qt installation of ''
[17:55] <shadeslayer> hm
[17:55] <shadeslayer> most interesting
[17:55] <yofel> hm
[17:56] <shadeslayer> I thought qtchooser automatically chose whichever binary is isntalled
[17:56] <yofel> shadeslayer: something like this maybe:
[17:56] <yofel> ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/((un)?)stable/([\d\.]*)/src/kde-workspace-([\d\.]*).tar.xz
[17:57] <yofel> need to try it on something that's actually in unstable though
[17:57] <shadeslayer> seems to work
[17:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: try karchive
[17:58] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[17:58] <shadeslayer> exclusively in unstable?
[17:59] <shadeslayer> plasma
[18:01] <yofel> what kind of syntax is this -.-
[18:02] <soee> *plasma-next -  if i open Muon, select some packages to be installes and want to apply changes i have error message: This operation cannot continue since proper authorization was not provided. Usually i should be asked for password. Any idea wht can be wrong ?
[18:03]  * ScottK sees that every now and then.
[18:03] <ScottK> No idea why.
[18:04] <ScottK> When I see it, I take it as a sign I should be using apt.
[18:04] <yofel> shadeslayer: looking at the manpage the path part until the final slash needs to be an exact match for a single directory as I understand it
[18:05] <kubotu> feed branches-next had 11 updates, showing the latest 6
[18:09] <danikvsn> I have a question
[18:09] <danikvsn> How long would it approximately take to adapt the plasma update to Ubuntu for stable use?
[18:11] <ScottK> Probably about 10 months when 15.04 is released.
[18:12] <shadeslayer> ScottK: soee sounds like polkit kde issues
[18:12] <shadeslayer> is the polkit kde daemon running?
[18:12] <shadeslayer> drat
[18:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: drat
[18:13] <soee> shadeslayer: i see polkid proccess
[18:13] <shadeslayer> what about the kde daemon
[18:13] <soee> *polkitd
[18:14] <soee> oh  is it normal i have running kded4 and kded5 ?
[18:14] <shadeslayer> yes
[18:15] <shadeslayer> especially if you're using kde4 applications
[18:15] <soee> yup
[18:15] <soee> someone here runnign atm plasma5 ?
[18:16] <shadeslayer> yep
[18:16] <shadeslayer> but from neon :p
[18:16] <shadeslayer> I should nag apachelogger to bootstrap it for utopic
[18:16] <soee> shadeslayer: would you be so kind and check one thing ?
[18:16] <shadeslayer> sure
[18:17] <soee> in System Settings -> Shortcuts -> Global Keyboard Shortcuts
[18:17] <soee> on the list - do you have entry releated to activities ?
[18:17] <soee> *components list
[18:20] <shadeslayer> nope
[18:20] <shadeslayer> try plasmashell
[18:20] <shadeslayer> if not there, file a bug
[18:20] <soee> ok :( btw does th printscr button works for you - can you take screenshot ?
[18:21] <shadeslayer> nope
[18:21] <ovidiu-florin_> yofel: can you please help me with the IRC commands to switch my nick again
[18:21] <ovidiu-florin_> something with ghost
[18:21] <ovidiu-florin_> I think
[18:22] <BluesKaj> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit
[18:22] <BluesKaj> by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST «username» «password»
[18:22] <soee> shadeslayer: ok last thing :) you go desktop properties and want to change wallpaper do you see previews there ? also if you click to select different file do you have previes ?
[18:22] <shadeslayer> I thought that was released
[18:22] <shadeslayer> yes and yes
[18:22] <shadeslayer> soee: ^^
[18:23] <ovidiu-florin_> BluesKaj: how do I switch nick?
[18:23] <soee> shadeslayer: i dont have them  (thumbs) :/
[18:23] <shadeslayer> soee: none at all?
[18:23] <soee> any idea what this can be related to
[18:23] <soee> shadeslayer: nope
[18:23] <newnick>  /nick newnick
[18:23] <shadeslayer> make sure you have kio-extras installed
[18:25] <ovidiu-florin_> newnick: doesn't work
[18:25] <ovidiu-florin_> I have to ghost it showhow
[18:25] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin_: try /msg nickser help release
[18:25] <soee> shadeslayer: dependencies problem  kio-extras : Depends: libexiv2-13 but it is not installable
[18:25] <shadeslayer> mmm
[18:26] <shadeslayer> soee: what happens when you try to install that package
[18:26] <shadeslayer> I need to run soon
[18:27] <soee> shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7766929/
[18:27] <Blueskaj_> ovidiu-florin_:  usw a different bick , newnick was just an example
[18:27] <Blueskaj_> nick rather
[18:27] <shadeslayer> stuck in proposed
[18:29] <shadeslayer> soee: aha
[18:30] <shadeslayer> exiv2 will cause breakage
[18:30] <shadeslayer> so it's being held back
[18:31] <soee> so atm it is impossible to install kio-extras right ?
[18:31] <shadeslayer> yep
[18:31] <yofel> ovidiu-florin_:  use the ghost command BluesKaj gave you, then you should be able to use /nick
[18:33] <ovidiu-florin_> yofel: it replyes ovidiu-florin is not online.
[18:33] <yofel> ovidiu-florin_: how does /nick fail then?
[18:34] <ovidiu-florin_> doesn't do anything
[18:34] <soee> shadeslayer: thank you for your help :)
[18:34] <shadeslayer> soee: np
[18:34] <shadeslayer> soee: you could download kio-extras and recompile it yourself
[18:34] <yofel> ovidiu-florin_: that can't be... no server response at all?
[18:35] <shadeslayer> heading home I am
[18:35] <shadeslayer> night
[18:35] <yofel> nini
[18:35] <ovidiu-florin_> yofel: no
[18:36] <yofel> ovidiu-florin_: if neither server nor nickserv respond I'm out of ideas, #freenode might help
[18:37] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin_:  is your nick registered?
[18:37] <ovidiu-florin_> yofel: I ran /nick ovidiu-florin
[18:37] <ovidiu-florin_> is this command wrong?
[18:37] <yofel> no..
[18:38] <ovidiu-florin_> * 435 ovidiu-florin #gcc Cannot change nickname while banned on channel
[18:38] <ovidiu-florin_> WTF? again?
[18:38] <ovidiu-florin> Done
[18:38] <yofel> hehe
[18:38]  * yofel wonders if he's still banned in #bash
[18:39] <ovidiu-florin> ask the admins to fix that
[18:39] <ovidiu-florin> it happened to me to
[18:39] <yofel> ah, I'm not, so that's good :)
[18:41]  * BluesKaj is still banned in #ubuntu, but can't be bothered to appeal an unjust decision
[18:42] <BluesKaj> i don't know enough about unity etc anyway
[18:49] <Etriaph> G'day folks.
[18:49] <lordievader> o/
[18:50] <BluesKaj> hey Etriaph
[18:54] <Etriaph> I trust everyone is well today?
[18:54] <BluesKaj> fine here
[18:57] <lordievader> Doing good here, what about you Etriaph?
[18:58] <Etriaph> Pretty well, listening to Chopin and writing some code.
[18:58] <Etriaph> Good way to spend the afternoon :D
[18:58] <lordievader> :)
[19:02] <BluesKaj> how many bits to the bar ?
[19:04] <kubotu> feed branches-next had 10 updates, showing the latest 6
[19:55] <Etriaph> Riddell: ping
[20:04] <kubotu> feed branches-next had 12 updates, showing the latest 6
[21:05] <kubotu> feed branches-next had 11 updates, showing the latest 6
[21:49] <soee> someone knows if it is possible to make yakuake works in plasma5 ?
[21:56] <soee> now i know why thers no shortcut for activities: http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2014/06/07/the-future-of-activity-switching/
[22:05] <kubotu> feed branches-next had 12 updates, showing the latest 6
[22:26]  * apachelogger has much tired eyes
[22:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: u still up?
[23:05] <kubotu> feed branches-next had 8 updates, showing the latest 6
[23:46] <valorie> Riddell: I've replied to her last email, yes (and I got the money from Canonical finally)
[23:46] <apachelogger> someday I should also ask for money from canonical
[23:47]  * apachelogger always feels like he has to look at things into a kubuntu capacity then; limits the view :P


[00:00] <aschmitz> Does anyone have experience with Orchestra and OpenStack?
[00:09] <jMCg> Is there a way to create virtual interfaces for a bridge and assign them IPs with /etc/networ/interfaces?
[00:18] <Cpt_Othello> Hello, I just tried to install ubuntu-server and when it boots up all I get is "Out of Scan Range". is there anything i can do at this point to get it to work? Any way to at at least get to a terminal of some sort?
[00:19] <Cpt_Othello> It boots up the BIOS fine but afterwards all I'm getting is a Information Box telling me that it's out of scan range
[00:22] <jMCg> What kind of scan range? Did it do that before you set it up?
[00:22] <Cpt_Othello> 46.2KHz / 86Hz, I used to have Cent6 and then windows server 2008 on it before. This is the first time that I've seen it do this.
[00:23] <jMCg> Ah.
[00:24] <jMCg> You're talking about a monitor.
[00:24] <jMCg> I haven't had a monitor attached to a server in 3 years.
[00:24] <jMCg> I have no idea what you're talking about :-/
[00:24] <jMCg> (I accidentally killed the sshd and had to go to the DC to fix it.)
[00:25] <Cpt_Othello> :( ok thanks for trying. Boss wants me to set it up as a streaming media server and wants to be able to remote into it with a gui so I'm just sort of bumbling along as I try to figure this out.
[00:26] <jMCg> (remote) GUI doesn't need a monitor in my book :)
[00:26] <Cpt_Othello> I know, I would much rather have it all just command line but he wants a gui so I need to make sure it happens ;(
[00:27] <Cpt_Othello> actually, i think i just got lost
[00:28] <jMCg> Cpt_Othello: well you can ssh in?
[00:28] <jMCg> What's running? Kill off gdm or lightdm and startx, see what happens, watch the logs, etc.
[00:33] <Cpt_Othello> Sorry, this is basically my first time dealing with servers and am learning everything from scratch as I go so I'll just keep looking things up. The joys of free family labor. Thanks for your help :)
[01:02] <qman__> Cpt_Othello, probably an issue with your card/monitor and KMS
[01:03] <qman__> try booting with the nomodeset option
[01:04] <qman__> there really should be some kind of hotkey for save video mode
[01:04] <qman__> safe*
[01:05] <Cpt_Othello> I'm not at the office anymore so I don't have access to the machine atm :( I've also been looking around to find the key to get to some kind of command line boot mode but keep coming up short. Is there some key I can press to get to ubuntu's boot options?
[01:06] <qman__> hold left shift to get a grub menu
[01:06] <qman__> during the boot process
[01:06] <qman__> if grub doesn't display in a working mode you'll have to boot live
[01:06] <Cpt_Othello> Noted, thanks I'll try that tomorrow
[01:08] <qman__> or try to modify the boot line blind
[01:08] <qman__> I've done that kind of thing before too
[01:08] <Cpt_Othello> boot line blind?
[01:08] <qman__> do the key presses needed to modify the boot line blindly, as in without a display
[01:09] <qman__> I can do it with grub1, but I don't know grub2 that well
[01:11] <Cpt_Othello> I don't think that'll work out too well on my part. I'm probably going to end up trying to ssh into it with a different monitor if anything. Thanks for your help :) going to afk for food
[02:03] <josePhoenix> Hello all
[02:04] <josePhoenix> I've got a somewhat odd issue... I'm using unix sockets fairly extensively internally (though there should only be about 40 more in use than on a usual system)
[02:05] <josePhoenix> actually, this may not be related now that I look at the error.
[02:05] <josePhoenix> It's trying to open a connection to a PostgreSQL server and saying "could not fork new process for connection: Resource temporarily unavailable
[02:09] <josePhoenix> One common thread seems to be that people get this error when they run into the process limit
[02:09] <josePhoenix> ps ax | grep Z doesn't show zombie processes
[02:10] <josePhoenix> ah, ps -el does show a lot of defunct processes
[02:13] <josePhoenix> ... which are now gone! o.O
[02:13] <josePhoenix> They were all named 'fuse'
[02:30] <josePhoenix> How can I see what depends on fuse? I'm pretty sure I didn't install it on purpose
[02:31] <qman__> lots of things use it
[02:31] <qman__> NFS, SSHFS, GVFS and other GUI-mounting systems
[02:31] <qman__> NFS goes both ways, depending on what you install
[02:32] <josePhoenix> I'm not using any of the things I saw in the reverse dependencies list (that I know of)
[02:32] <josePhoenix> Does ubuntu install it by default on servers?
[02:32] <qman__> I don't think so, but I'm not sure
[02:32] <qman__> but in order to have fuse processes, you have to be using it with something
[02:32] <josePhoenix> hmm I guess it'll yell at me if I try to uninstall it
[02:32] <TheEvilPhoenix> i think those fuse based things require the GUI stuff right?
[02:32] <qman__> it doesn't run unless something mounts with it
[02:33] <TheEvilPhoenix> ^
[02:33] <josePhoenix> TheEvilPhoenix: I don't think they necessarily do
[02:33] <josePhoenix> But afaik I'm not using any userspace filesystems
[02:35] <josePhoenix> looks like it installs ntfs-3g by default... but I'm not mounting anything with it o.O
[03:01] <A_B_> Q: I upgraded a very standard server installation running Samba server with no GUI to 11.10. Now the network doesn't start giving me the error "Unable to connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: connection refused"
[03:42] <AnGrYfUrBy> hey guys i upgraded to ubuntu 11.10 and it deleted my network adapter
[04:02] <josePhoenix> Why would I have zombie processes created and reaped 500 at a time?
[04:03] <josePhoenix> I can't seem to catch them.
[04:03] <josePhoenix> The one time I saw them in the process table, they were fuse processes
[04:03] <josePhoenix> I uninstalled fuse, but I think I need to reboot for that to take effect
[04:03] <qman__> not really
[04:03] <qman__> only stuff that would remain is that which is loaded in RAM
[04:04] <qman__> once the processes end, there'd be no way to start new ones because the files aren't thre
[04:04] <qman__> there*
[04:04] <josePhoenix> I can't seem to catch the processes though :\
[04:04] <josePhoenix> So I'm not sure what's starting them
[04:06] <josePhoenix> Hmm, no processes currently running with fuse in the title
[04:51] <webPragmatist> anyone know how to replace the comma with foo
[04:51] <webPragmatist> I have preg_replace('#(.*),(/w+{/if})#', '$1foo$2', '},   {/if}');
[04:53] <webPragmatist> wonder if /i is a thing
[04:53] <webPragmatist> nope
[04:53] <webPragmatist> woops wrong chan
[05:12] <kthomas1> APC only using 30M of 128M setting,  can't see why.
[05:36] <pdtpatrick_> Question .. after installing ubuntu-orchestra-server ... what is the address for the web? i didn't get any output saying ur sever is now available at ...
[06:05] <pdtpatrick_> Nvm figured it out
[06:12] <kthomas1> ah;  apc 4 accepts 128M etc;  apc 3.x does NOT.
[06:45] <caeci11ius> trying to connect macos 10.7 to afp / samba shares on an ubuntu 11.10 server, it connects fine provided it doesn't need to authenticate (i.e. as a guest), but won't work when a username/password is required. Any ideas?
[06:46] <caeci11ius> had it working in the past on 11.04, no luck with 11.10 though
[06:56] <kthomas1> is the a debugging output mode for the connection?
[06:56] <kthomas1> ie,  look for the log file
[10:51] <piegod> Hi, upgraded to 11.10 and now on boot it spends ages doing the Waiting for network configuration thing, and then when i finally get in all the interfaces (which should be static as per /etc/network/interfaces) are down... can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? :(
[10:54] <piegod> i have to bring them up and set their address manually each time, its as though /etc/network/interfaces is completely ignored.
[10:59] <w00> piegod check this http://uksysadmin.wordpress.com/2011/10/14/upgrade-to-ubuntu-11-10-problem-waiting-for-network-configuration-then-black-screen-solution/
[11:00] <piegod> could you tinyurl it? cant click links, running irssi in a tty and only have text-based browser w/no mouse :>
[11:00] <w00> piegod http://goo.gl/W9fd9
[11:00] <piegod> thanks
[11:03] <piegod> well, here goes. Will give this a try and see what happens :D
[11:04] <piegod> Wahay
[11:04] <piegod> Worked, thanks
[11:04] <w00> np :)
[11:04] <w00> Weird that i did an upgrade yesterday and that wasn't needed anymore
[11:04] <piegod> does this issue present itself on fresh installs?
[11:05] <w00> Shouldn't
[11:05] <piegod> might just do a fresh blank install sometime soon then :V
[11:05] <piegod> anyway, time to move this server back downstairs, thanks again
[12:14] <Juv1228> hello, im having trouble getting ubuntu server installed to my esxi host
[12:15] <Juv1228> the install runs fine, but after that when trying to boot into the system i am greeted by the ubuntu logo/load screen thing
[12:15] <Juv1228> it proceeds to a black screen where it hangs indefinitely
[12:16] <Juv1228> left it running for a good 20 minutes and it was just flashing its cursor away the whole time
[12:23] <jasef> O.o is there a GUI system installed on it or is it the normal tty that's crashing?
[12:24] <Juv1228> jasef, its a bare install, so it should be booting to a term
[12:24] <Juv1228> no gnome etc
[12:26] <jasef> Juv1228, :| Dunno what to suggest, if it was a gui, you could try ctrl+alt+f1 or something, but I doubt that'd help on a system that's meant to boot to tty1 anyway
[12:26] <Juv1228> i dont think its even fully booting
[12:27] <jasef> Does the same thing happen if you boot into recovery mode?
[12:27] <Juv1228> hmm. booting in recovery mode drops me into a shell no problem
[12:28] <jasef> Sorry - this touchpad quits channels on me lol. It clicks when it shouldn't
[12:29] <Juv1228> heh, keyboards alway have my vote
[12:29] <jasef> What happens if you boot in recovery mode and then choose to "try to continue normal boot"
[12:29] <jasef> :P It's the touchpad on my laptop though, I cant replace it with a keyboard.
[12:30] <Juv1228> thats what i meant, try to continue normal boot works
[12:30] <Juv1228> boots the system fine
[12:30] <jasef> :| That's awfully weird.
[12:30] <Juv1228> just tried again with a normal boot tho. black screen
[12:31] <jasef> When you get the ubuntu logo up, hit escape and see if any particular error message comes up before it goes to the black screen
[12:32] <Juv1228> hmm. it seems to be something to do with kernel options
[12:33] <Juv1228> default options are "quiet splash vt.handoff=7"
[12:34] <Juv1228> remove all of them and it boots fine
[12:35] <jasef> O.o that's strange. I guess it's the vt.handoff that's causing the problem, but not sure
[12:35] <Juv1228> thats a new one for me, never had a problem installing ubuntu to esxi
[12:36] <Juv1228> seems to be, just tried with only it removed and it boots too
[12:37] <jasef> Lol, weird, I don't think my server ever had that in it's boot options
[12:38] <jasef> I'll ssh in and check
[12:46] <jasef> that took way too long
[12:46] <jasef> But no, I don't have that in my boot options
[12:51] <Juv1228> ya, i have no clue
[12:51] <Juv1228> but removing it worked
[13:09]  * RoyK added Icinga checks SMART data for all drives and just got the first message "drive is failing" :)
[13:09] <RoyK> it's nice to see things like that reported _before_ the drive fails.....
[14:09] <potatoe> Do I really need anything other than netmask and address when defining a static IP in network/interfaces ? It seems to me that broadcast and network can be determined based on the subnet mask and address, and gateway and DNS are only needed if i want a DNS or gateway available to the machine. The netmask should automatically assume the older class a, class b and class c networks, no ?
[14:13] <RoyK> potatoe: the old class-based networking idea is rather outdated...
[14:15] <potatoe> ok
[14:15] <potatoe> what about the network and broadcast lines ? are they necessary ?
[14:15] <RoyK> dunno if the broadcast is set according to the subnet mask - test it
[14:16] <RoyK> anyway - it shouldn't matter much - if broadcast is set to <IP_ADDRESS>, it'll still work, but might be non-optimal if you have different IP subnets on the same physical network
[14:16] <RoyK> but then again, most don't
[14:18] <potatoe> ok
[14:18] <potatoe> thx
[15:28] <geekd> Hello everone, is this the correct place to talk to someone about issues on a server?
[15:31] <cloakable> geekd: Depends on if it's running Ubuntu Server or not :P
[15:32] <geekd> it's running Ubuntu server 8.04
[15:32] <cloakable> Oh wow
[15:32] <jasef> O.o seriously, geekd, I think you should upgrade to 10.04
[15:32] <jasef> O-o
[15:32] <cloakable> Someone forgot to run do-release-upgrade for a few years >.>
[15:32] <geekd> it's really old equipment
[15:33] <cloakable> Trust me, 10.04 will still run on it :P
[15:34] <geekd> No the laptop it is on is a 1991 model 300Mhz with 48Mb and 6GB HDD
[15:34] <cloakable> Yes
[15:34] <RoyK> geekd: ask away
[15:34] <geekd> I tried starting at 10.04 ...too slow, went to 9.94 ...too slow, 8.04 seems to run decent on it
[15:35] <RoyK> geekd: I use 8.04 on a number of servers myself
[15:35] <cloakable> Oh wow.
[15:35] <cloakable> I just finished upgrading my server to 11.10 last night. >.>
[15:35] <RoyK> 8.04 will be upported until april 2013, so no reason to use anything newer unless you need newer software :P
[15:35] <geekd> I installed Postfix, and can receive mail just fine, When I send it however, Evolution says it sent but I never get it....
[15:36] <geekd> What could be an issue to lookat
[15:36] <RoyK> cloakable: I still have solaris 8 in production at work :P
[15:36] <jasef> I'm running 10.04 on my server. I can't wait till 12.04 comes out though lol
[15:36] <cloakable> Heh
[15:36] <RoyK> jasef: I'd wait until 12.04.1 is released :P
[15:37] <jasef> RoyK, Lol, most people would. I like cutting edge though
[15:37] <jasef> My laptop has bleeding edge all the time, running 12.04 desktop atm
[15:37] <RoyK> geekd: hwat does mailq have to say?
[15:37] <geekd> Once I get this first real server doing what I want I will prolly put together a real Box for a newer release
[15:37] <cloakable> jasef: 12.04? So what, pre-alpha? >.>
[15:37] <geekd> one sec
[15:38] <jasef> cloakable, basically, yeah.
[15:38]  * RoyK somewhat prefers servers to be stable :P
[15:38] <cloakable> jasef: Ow. You may be safer running Debian Sid+Experimental. :P
[15:39] <RoyK> Sid, the kid that breaks toys :P
[15:39] <cloakable> Exactly
[15:40] <geekd> -Queue ID- --Size-- ----Arrival Time---- -Sender/Recipient-------
[15:40] <geekd> 1472820E2       609 Fri Oct 28 10:06:52<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:40] <geekd>       (connect to mta6.am0.yahoodns.net[<IP_ADDRESS>]:25: Connection timed out)
[15:40] <geekd><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:40] <geekd> 932C620D9       607 Fri Oct 28 04:41:23<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:40] <geekd>       (connect to mta5.am0.yahoodns.net[<IP_ADDRESS>]:25: Connection timed out)
[15:40] <geekd><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:40] <RoyK> !pastebin
[15:40] <jasef> Lol.
[15:41] <geekd> RoyK is that what you wanted
[15:41] <RoyK> geekd: it is, but please use a pastebin next time
[15:41] <geekd> new to IRC
[15:42] <RoyK> geekd: is this a home server? if so, try setting up a relay host - most ISPs block outgoing SMTP these days because of spammers
[15:42] <geekd> hmmmmm wonder if that could be it....it is a home server
[15:43] <RoyK> geekd: run dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[15:43] <RoyK> geekd: and set it to use your ISPs SMTP host
[15:45] <geekd> Weeeeeeeell...... Technically it is at a family members house, because they have better internet connection
[15:46] <geekd> I don't know there ISP's SMTP host
[15:46] <cloakable> what ISP?
[15:46] <geekd> I have to ssh to it
[15:46] <geekd> AT&T
[15:47] <geekd> They have that new AT&T Fiber connection
[15:48] <cloakable> geekd: three seconds of googling reveals http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19926669-Using-ATT-as-smarthost-with-Exchange-2k3
[15:54] <geekd> !pastebin
[15:55] <geekd> http://paste.ubuntu.com/722401/
[15:56] <geekd> I guess I did that right
[15:56] <RoyK> geekd: run dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[15:56] <geekd> RoyK: Anyway that is the message I got
[15:57] <RoyK> geekd: not dpkg -reconfigure :P
[15:57] <geekd> oh
[16:00] <geekd> working on it.... like I said slow
[16:00] <RoyK> :)
[16:04] <geekd> now to test .... do I use that smarthost smtp in my evolution?
[16:06] <cloakable> No, the smtp daemon should use it automatically
[16:07] <geekd> ok well here goes nothing
[16:07] <cloakable> I use a smarthost in postfix on my server
[16:08] <RoyK> geekd: try telnet into the smarthost on port 25
[16:08] <RoyK> telnet somehost 2
[16:08] <RoyK> telnet somehost 25
[16:10] <geekd> could not resolve geekdeity.com/25: name or service not known
[16:11] <RoyK> geekdeity.com/25 isn't a hostname :P
[16:11] <RoyK> geekd: and the smarthost is your ISP's SMTP server, not your own box
[16:13] <geekd> ok at command prompt  mike@www
[16:13] <geekd> so www is my hostname?
[16:14] <RoyK> what are you trying to do?
[16:14] <RoyK> geekd: from the server, try to "telnet name.of.smtp.relay.host 25"
[16:14] <geekd> telnet my host 25
[16:14] <geekd> oh
[16:15] <geekd> one sec it is doing something
[16:16] <geekd> first line of response is : trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[16:16] <geekd> waiting on more
[16:17] <RoyK> geekd: http://support.netdoor.com/email/smtpauth.php
[16:17] <RoyK> geekd: a whois lists you as connected from netdoor.com...
[16:18] <geekd> again my server is on a AT&T connection though I am on netdoor
[16:18] <RoyK> ok
[16:18] <RoyK> then check with the ISP which SMTP host to use
[16:19] <geekd> so I used the smtpauth.sbcglobal.net from the link cloaked sent me
[16:19] <RoyK> can you telnet into port 25 on that machine?
[16:19] <RoyK> if not, find another, call support
[16:19] <geekd> it was unable to resolve: connection timed out
[16:20] <RoyK> that means it's not your SMTP host
[16:20] <geekd> hmmmm
[16:21] <geekd> wait if I can get into the router, would it have the smtp host info in it?
[16:21] <RoyK> doubt it
[16:21] <geekd> dang
[16:21] <RoyK> can't you just call support?
[16:21] <geekd> so I have to go to the family members house and call their support
[16:21] <RoyK> it's probably on the ISP's FAQ
[16:22] <geekd> Don't know if they will give me that since not my account
[16:22] <geekd> I can try
[16:22] <RoyK> just lie :)
[16:22] <RoyK> or even better - tell the truth :P
[16:24] <geekd> I wouldn't want to cause them to lose their account.
[16:26] <RoyK> erm - why would they?
[16:26] <RoyK> it's just a server
[16:26] <geekd> Letting someone run a server.....I don't know
[16:27] <RoyK> http://www.iw-webhosting.co.uk/smtp_hosts.htm
[16:29] <RoyK> geekd: try one of those two - telnet into port 25 on them to see if they're open
[16:29] <geekd> will do
[16:32] <geekd> first one no
[16:32] <geekd> rying second
[16:34] <RoyK> what's the server's IP?
[16:34] <RoyK> a whois search can easily lookup whatever ISP it's on
[16:34] <geekd> <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:34] <RoyK> or even a reverse dns
[16:34] <RoyK> <IP_ADDRESS>.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 99-25-3-21.lightspeed.jcsnms.sbcglobal.net.
[16:35] <RoyK> try smtp.sbcglobal.net
[16:35] <geekd> on it
[16:38] <geekd> don't think it is going to work
[16:38] <geekd> taking long time
[16:39] <RoyK> geekd: it should answer immediately if it's open
[16:39] <RoyK> geekd: again, call support!
[16:40] <geekd> I guess I will have to
[16:40] <geekd> thanks for the help... I will let ou know what happens
[16:40] <RoyK> :)
[16:42] <geekd> hmmm this site says you can't use ssl
[16:43] <geekd> how would I remove the ssl from postfix
[16:43] <RoyK> geekd: postfix won't use ssl by default
[16:44] <RoyK> the way to check is to test telnetting into port 25
[16:44] <geekd> oh ok
[16:44] <RoyK> if that port is blocked, there's no way around it unless the server in question uses another port, such as 587, like some do
[16:45] <geekd> do I have to reconfigure everytime or can I just try the server ....reconfigureing is getting old
[16:45] <RoyK> you only have to reconfigure it once
[16:46] <geekd> rather just try telnetting it
[16:46] <RoyK> try telnetting first
[16:46] <RoyK> if it doesn't answer, there's no point of telling postfix to try
[16:46] <geekd> ok cause I have been reconfigureing very time I got a new server to try
[16:47] <geekd> now I feel stupid
[16:47] <RoyK> :)
[16:48] <RoyK> geekd: messing up is just another step in learning :)
[16:51] <geekd> Ahhhh while searching for support # it connected
[16:52] <RoyK> try to send an email manually - type HELO asdf.com <enter> from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:52] <RoyK> that's after telnetting into port 25
[16:53] <geekd> what is the command to mail manually
[16:53] <qman__> that is the command
[16:53] <qman__> first you helo, then you mail from:, then rcpt to:
[16:54] <qman__> data, your message, . to end
[16:54] <geekd> helo command not found
[16:55] <qman__> inside the telnet session
[16:55] <RoyK> erm, 'mail from' and 'rcpt to', yes
[16:55]  * RoyK is tired
[16:56] <geekd> getting 501 missing fully quailfied domin name
[16:58] <geekd> now getting 530 Authenication required
[16:58] <RoyK> geekd: just try to reconfigure postfix then
[16:58] <RoyK> oh
[16:58] <RoyK> bad sign
[16:59] <RoyK> try to reconfigure postfix anyway
[17:00] <geekd> ok
[17:00] <geekd> brb
[17:11] <geekd> still 530 Authentication required
[17:13] <jMCg> geekd: what, exactly, does the auth log say? (If you don't know where the auth log is, grep -ri auth /etc/*syslog*)
[17:13] <geekd> trying to get out of telnet
[17:18] <geekd> could I email you login and let you look I don't know which part you want.....
[17:19] <qman__> the escape sequence is ^], which means control+]
[17:19] <geekd> qman I saw that thanks
[17:22] <geekd> jMCg here is authlog from today.... http://paste.ubuntu.com/722441/
[17:24] <ogra_> soren, around ?
[17:25] <ogra_> did you guys change the handling of dummy ethernet devices in oneiric ?
[17:25]  * ogra_ just sits next to rccGodFather_ and after upgrading to oneiric his dummy devices stopped working
[17:26] <geekd> jMCg: did you get it?
[17:28] <geekd> RoyK: still here?
[17:34] <geekd> oh no.....
[17:36] <geekd> RoyK: does this mean I need that family members account login and pw to be able to do this?
[17:40] <geekd> well gotta make store run....bbl
[17:48] <TimR> can anybody tell me how to correct internal error of 500 after I did suPHP + userdir?
[17:50] <rccGodFather_> how to create aliased dummy interfaces in oneric
[17:54] <RoyK> TimR: your logs may tell you the cause :P
[17:54] <TimR> i found it its smaller than min_uid
[17:54] <TimR> that is the issue
[17:56] <TimR> how do i fix that error
[18:14] <jMCg> ge.. gone.
[21:41] <RoyK> I've read it's possible to change from raid5 to raid6, is the other way possible? reducing redundancy to raid5?
[22:25] <TimR> hi guys have a question how do I limit users disk space in home directory because I only want the user have 100mb
[22:25] <TimR> i have quota setup
[22:29] <somnoliento> If I type "lc_all=C df" (or almost any command), I can see its output in english. How come "lc_all=C lpstat -t" still shows it in my locale?
[22:31] <RoyK> !quota
[22:31] <RoyK> TimR: google for disk quota
[22:31] <TimR> ya didnt you see i have quota setup?
[22:32] <RoyK> it's all in the docs....
[22:34] <RoyK> man edquota
[22:45] <josePhoenix> Anyone know why the cron task for php is filling up my process table? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/500216/
[23:14] <soren> ogra_: "dummy? You mean aliases (like eth0:0)?