[12:19] <johan> Hi, which product/project should I report bugs which are related to the javascript menus used in launchpad?
[12:20] <thumper> johan: launchpad
[12:20] <mpt> TheSheep, I fixed that bug over a week ago, I'm sorry the fix hasn't been applied yet
[12:21] <TheSheep> mpt: to me it looks like some elemnts are not closed properly, and ff and opera autoclose them differently
[12:21] <johan> hi mpt
[12:21] <mpt> hi johan
[12:21] <johan> mpt: you'll love this bug; it should not be possible to select/active a menu entry if there are submenus
[12:21] <TheSheep> mpt: it would be much easier to debug if the (x)html validated in general :(
[12:21] <mpt> mthaddon, when are you next applying cherrypicks? Did you apply any last week?
[12:22] <mthaddon> mpt: didn't last week - scheduled to apply Thursday 05:30 UTC
[12:22] <mpt> TheSheep, it's because Opera 9.2 pays attention to a workaround for a CSS bug in Internet Explorer, without having the same CSS bug as Internet Explorer
[12:22] <TheSheep> mpt: * html ?
[12:22] <mpt> TheSheep, no, the triple-X hack
[12:23] <mpt> TheSheep, in the meantime, you can use edge.launchpad.net
[12:23] <TheSheep> mpt: thank you
[12:23] <mpt> (if you receive a URL in an e-mail notification or whatever, change "launchpad.net" to "edge.launchpad.net", e.g. bugs.edge.launchpad.net)
[12:23] <TheSheep> mpt: by the way, great job, I find the options much faster with the new layout
[12:24] <mpt> It's an improvement, yes
[12:25] <mpt> johan, why not?
[12:25] <johan> mpt: none of the menus I've used provides a way to both select and have sub menus/options
[12:27] <mpt> johan, Mac OS menus used to :-)
[12:27] <mpt> but the menus aren't my business, really
[12:27] <johan> mpt: how confusing!
[12:27] <mpt> yes
[12:28] <mpt> The nearest analogy I can think of is the "File Bookmark" submenu in Netscape 4
[12:28] <johan> luckily most of the people that ever used old Mac OS are now dead :-)
[12:28] <mpt> johan, meanwhile, we're wondering why you're not jdahlin any more
[12:29] <johan> mpt: easy, johan is now available
[12:30] <mpt> The previous johan is now dead? :-)
[12:30] <johan> mpt: I /ghost him almost everyday :D
[12:31] <johan> Maybe, but only if he ever used old Mac OS.
[12:35] <ubotu> New bug: #114921 in launchpad "Javascript menus are difficult to use" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114921
[01:07] <atoponce> is there an admin around that can make an admin decision? :)
[01:08] <thumper> atoponce: not really, most are sleeping
[01:08] <atoponce> thumper: i think we chatted last time
[01:08] <thumper> atoponce: what decision are you after?
[01:08] <atoponce> about the CA LoCo page
[01:08] <atoponce> i need to make a member an admin
[01:09] <atoponce> as the current admin has gone awol, with no email replies from me at all
[01:09] <atoponce> https://launchpad.net/~california.team/
[01:09] <thumper> atoponce: perhaps best to go through Jono as he is LoCo person, and he can poke the appropriate people
[01:10] <atoponce> mark nielson is the current admin, and he's approving new members, but every attempt to contact has failed
[01:10] <atoponce> jono is tough to get ahold of
[01:10] <thumper> atoponce: I'm sure he'd answer his emails
[01:10] <atoponce> ok. i'll fire an email his way
[01:11] <thumper> atoponce: if still you have no success, try during the workday of europe
[01:12] <atoponce> ok
[01:12] <atoponce> thx
[01:56] <ubotu> New bug: #114929 in launchpad "Team description field should suggest including participation instructions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114929
[04:11] <gdoubleu> do I contact<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to request the import of a project from CVS or is there an online form to request this?
[04:27] <jamesh> gdoubleu: what is the project?
[04:30] <gdoubleu> jamesh: I just registered the pymetrics project on launchpad, which I was wanting to import from the PyMetrics sourceforge project
[04:31] <jamesh> gdoubleu: okay.  You'll notice that there is a "trunk" link in the Timeline section of the project page
[04:32] <jamesh> gdoubleu: Launchpad binds imports to a particular release series of the project
[04:32] <jamesh> gdoubleu: so if you go to the trunk series (https://launchpad.net/pymetrics/trunk), and then click the "Edit source" link in the actions menu you can fill in the details
[04:33] <jamesh> that'll trigger a test import.  If the test passes, one of the admins will need to approve the import and make it available.
[04:36] <ajmitch> jamesh: and if it comes back as "Do Not Import"?
[04:36] <jamesh> ajmitch: ddaa or mwh would investigate it
[04:36] <jamesh> to check whether it is a problem with our importer, or if the details were entered wrong
[04:36] <ajmitch> do I need to file a support request to get it looked at?
[04:37] <jamesh> I don't think so.
[04:37] <jamesh> ddaa often emails the person directly.
[04:38] <jamesh> ajmitch: ah.  we don't generally do non-mainline imports, since cscvs doesn't easily handle related branches
[04:38] <ajmitch> right
[04:38] <ajmitch> so I just need to use bzr-svn directly
[04:39] <jamesh> so e.g. you wouldn't be able to merge the changes you make on a 0.3 branch forward to one based on the main branch
[04:44] <gdoubleu> jamesh: so on the import page I've selected CVS, entered ":pserver:anonymous@pymetrics.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/pymetrics" as the Repository, "metrics" as the Module.  What am I supposed to enter for Branch?
[04:49] <jamesh> gdoubleu: MAIN
[04:53] <gdoubleu> and after the import, I will be able to make bzr branches from that, correct?
[04:55] <jamesh> gdoubleu: yes.
[04:55] <gdoubleu> jamesh: very cool, thanks for the help
[04:56] <jamesh> you'd be able to do "bzr branch lp:pymetrics"
[04:58] <gdoubleu> I saw that when you add a branch you can tie it to a bug.  Is this still possible if the project is using an external bug tracker?
[04:59] <jamesh> gdoubleu: not directly.
[04:59] <jamesh> gdoubleu: if you have a bug on the Ubuntu package of pymetrics, you could link that to the remote SF bug and to your branch
[05:01] <jamesh> gdoubleu: you should probably link the project to the SourceForge tracker here: https://launchpad.net/pymetrics/+launchpad
[06:42] <mpt> BjornT, have you seen Valient Gough's message on launchpad-users@?
[07:22] <jamesh> mpt: I think it is a case of confusion between bugs on upstream projects and ubuntu packages
[07:22] <jamesh> compare https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/encfs with https://bugs.launchpad.net/encfs
[08:57] <carlos> morning
[10:07] <lifeless> moin
[10:07] <lifeless> bdmurray: yo
[11:47] <gnomefreak> the guy with the postfix issue is at it again :(
[11:49] <jamesh> same bug?
[11:50] <gnomefreak> yes
[11:51] <gnomefreak> its not a dupe either so noone ever redupped it
[11:52] <jamesh> what's the bug number again?
[11:52] <gnomefreak> im looking at it im not sure if same but this bug is bug 114943
[11:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114943 in firefox "[EDGY]  firefox crashed [@gtk_style_realize]  [@IA__gtk_style_attach] " [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114943 - Assigned to Mozilla Bugs (mozilla-bugs)
[11:55] <jamesh> gnomefreak: last message is 2 hours ago according to the bug page.  Are the messages still coming through?
[11:56] <gnomefreak> let me check times on emails
[11:56] <gnomefreak> yep almost 3 hours ago
[11:56] <gnomefreak> i guess you got this one already?
[11:57] <jamesh> maybe
[11:59] <jamesh> gnomefreak: fyi: the problem appears to be related to mangling performed by spammotel.com (it appears to lose the return-path and rewrite the from address).  BjornT is putting together a fix to drop these sort of messages despite the mangling.
[11:59] <gnomefreak> jamesh: ok ty
[02:26] <ubotu> New bug: #115020 in rosetta "Allow copying translations when creating a new product release" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115020
[02:30] <putt1ck> hi
[02:31] <putt1ck> A question: has does a project become a super-project?
[02:32] <Odd_Bloke> putt1ck: It could get bitten by a spider... :p  I believe the standard procedure is to ask in Answers and wait for a response.
[02:35] <putt1ck> Then off I go to ask... Thanks :)
[04:00] <BjornT> time for this week's non-au reviewer meeting
[04:00] <BjornT> == Agenda == * Roll call
[04:00] <BjornT>  * Next meeting
[04:00] <BjornT>  * Queue status.
[04:00] <BjornT>  * Other Business
[04:00] <BjornT> who's here?
[04:01] <bac> me
[04:01] <salgado> me
[04:02] <BjornT> flacoste: ping
[04:02] <BjornT> barry: ping
[04:02] <flacoste> me
[04:02] <barry> me
[04:04] <BjornT> == Next meeting ==
[04:05] <BjornT> next meeting will be 2007-05-23, at 1400 UTC as usual
[04:05] <BjornT> == Queue status ==
[04:05] <BjornT> there are 9 open reviews, 5 of them are over the 2 day service target.
[04:06] <BjornT> bac: you have an old one. how's it going with it?
[04:06] <bac> i did that review last wednesday and submitted it to kiko for mentoring.  he's been in london/uds/london until yesterday
[04:07] <BjornT> salgado: do you know how statik is doing with his branches?
[04:07] <flacoste> BjornT: statik is on vacation this week
[04:07] <bac> yesterday he acknowledged it and said he'd make it a priority
[04:07] <salgado> BjornT, I couldn't talk to him before he went on holidays
[04:07] <barry> i wonder if we don't need a new tag, something like mentor-review ?
[04:07] <bac> barry:  +1
[04:08] <flacoste> i don't think it's needed
[04:08] <flacoste> since this is a transition thing
[04:08] <bac> statik indicated he would be reading email in the evenings
[04:08] <flacoste> should we reassignthem?
[04:08] <BjornT> ok. i'll re-assign statik's branches after the meeting.
[04:09] <BjornT> i also don't think mentor-review is needed, it should go away soon anyway.
[04:10] <BjornT> SteveA: you have a (trivial) branch in your queue that's almost a month old.
[04:11] <BjornT> == Other business ==
[04:11] <BjornT> anything else?
[04:11] <flacoste> not from me
[04:11] <barry> i'm good
[04:12] <BjornT> cool, meeting ended. thanks for coming.
[04:12] <bac> BjornT: thanks
[04:12] <barry> short and sweet.  thanks BjornT!
[04:15] <flacoste> thx BjornT!
[04:47] <siretart> is it possible to have 'private' bzr branches in launchpad?
[04:47] <siretart> like in 'only members of the team can look at them'
[04:51] <radix> siretart: not as far as I know
[04:58] <bac> siretart: at the moment private branches are not available in launchpad
[04:59] <siretart> k. thanks!
[04:59] <bac> np
[05:05] <ubotu> New bug: #115050 in launchpad "[feature request]  XMPP uri for Jabber address" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115050
[06:50] <pochu> https://launchpad.net/~pochu/+packages has a broken link (the first package listed there, liferea 1.2.10c-0ubuntu1.1, which points to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/liferea/1.2.10c-0ubuntu1.1
[06:51] <pochu> It seems like some packages (or some -proposed uploads, at least) lead to a broken link. Another example is firestarter 1.0.3-1.2ubuntu3.2 at https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit/+packages
[06:52] <pochu> Is there a known reason for that (e.g. I should wait some time till the package build or something else) or should I file a bug report?
[06:55] <pochu> btw, it hasn't been uploaded to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/liferea/ yet, maybe that's the reason?
[07:50] <carlos> pochu: having 404 errors is not correct so yes, you should file a bug (or check whether it's already reported)
[07:50] <pochu> carlos: it isn't, gonna report right now :)
[07:51] <carlos> pochu: ok, thanks
[08:12] <Niwatori> is there anyone know how to create blueprints in launchpad?
[08:26] <ubotu> New bug: #115078 in launchpad "Broken link in /people/me/+packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115078
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #115084 in launchpad-answers "Find questions which have a bug linked" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115084
[09:29] <kbrooks> need help quick
[09:29] <kbrooks> (sorry to interrupt if meeting now)
[09:30] <kbrooks> anyway um how to ask a question to a project?
[09:30] <kbrooks>  ah nm sry bye
[09:48] <keir> is launchpad ever going to get a tighly integrated wiki?
[09:48] <keir> after working with trac for ages, and REALLY liking it, i find the lack of pervasive wiki text unfortunate
[09:51] <kiko> keir, it's a planned feature, definitely
[09:51] <kiko> I also miss being able to format things nicely
[09:52] <keir> also: what about integrating bundle buggy?
[09:52] <keir> it's really become a linchpin(sp?) of bzr development
[09:53] <kiko> that I don't think we have ever discussed
[09:55] <pochu> kiko: I would like to add a bugwatch for a bug in Gentoo to a bug report, but Gentoo is not registered as a distribution. Is it possible to register it, as Debian and other distros are registered, or isn't it worth just for one bug report?
[09:55] <keir> pochu, i suspect if you add Gentoo, then others will add other bugwatches.
[09:56] <pochu> keir: that's a good point :)
[09:56] <pochu> But I can't (neither want) add it myself. Maybe the registry administrators?
[10:00] <kiko> pochu, it is possible to register it. what bug tracker does it use?
[10:04] <pochu> kiko: it's bugzilla: http://bugs.gentoo.org/
[10:09] <kiko> hang on.
[10:14] <kiko> pochu, added.
[10:15] <pochu> kiko: cool, thanks!
[10:17] <johnc4510> atoponce: you here?
[10:20] <atoponce> johnc4510: yeah. what's up?
[10:21] <johnc4510> atoponce: is there a meeting here today, or have i missed it?
[10:21] <atoponce> Wed May 16 20:21:10 UTC 2007
[10:21] <atoponce> yeah. it was 12 hours ago
[10:21] <johnc4510> rats
[10:21] <johnc4510> atoponce: never can convert properly
[10:21] <johnc4510> HEE HEE
[10:22] <atoponce> 'date -u' is your friend
[10:23] <johnc4510> atoponce: thanks, my problem is our launchpad page is administered by banditti and he is not active in loco, I need to find some way to add myself and one other as admins
[10:23] <atoponce> what's your launchpad page?
[10:23] <johnc4510> ?
[10:23] <johnc4510> atoponce: here:  https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-arizona
[10:27] <atoponce> johnc4510: so 'banditti' is no longer active?
[10:28] <johnc4510> atoponce: he is not coming to meetings or answering emails
[10:28] <johnc4510> atoponce: he has never come to a meeting or visited the irc channel
[10:29] <atoponce> johnc4510: ok. i would recommend getting in contact with a launchpad admin then. i am having the same issue with the california team LP page
[10:29] <johnc4510> atoponce: thanks, is there a link for that?
[10:29] <atoponce> not that i know of. you may want to email jono at ubuntu.com
[10:29] <atoponce> he might be able to help
[10:30] <johnc4510> atoponce: thanks so much    come visit us anytime,
[10:48] <Rinchen> johnc4510, please submit the request here https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[10:48] <kiko> what's going on?
 atoponce: thanks, my problem is our launchpad page is administered by banditti and he is not active in loco, I need to find some way to add myself and one other as admins
[10:50] <Hobbsee> kiko: the world is exploding.  nothing major.  go back to sleep.
[10:51] <kiko> yawn
[10:53] <LaserJock> kiko!
[10:56] <kiko> LaserJock!
[10:56] <kiko> nice to see all these UDS people survived :)
[10:56] <Hobbsee> kiko: sort of
[10:57] <kiko> now now
[10:59] <ajmitch> survived?
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #115109 in malone "Search box not always visible at 800x600" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115109
[11:01] <kiko> the trip
[11:01] <kiko> dupe
[11:03] <mpt> yah, dup
[11:03] <mpt> Yet another example, kiko, of a duplicate that probably wouldn't have been reported if we were using a single project for Launchpad
[11:04] <mpt> because it was reported on Malone, and the original was on Launchpad, so wouldn't have shown up in the list of suggestions
[11:04] <kiko> mpt, I think that's not the only explanation. we could also search for dupes through a project group's projects.
[11:04] <kiko> there is a way to fix that without regrouping all our projects.
[11:04] <mpt> That would be inappropriate most of the time, I think
[11:04] <mpt> maybe it would be appropriate for bzr vs. bzrtools
[11:05] <kiko> and for rosetta versus launchpad
[11:05] <mpt> no, that's the same as the first example
[11:05] <mpt> duplicate! :-P
[11:05] <kiko> s/no, //
[11:05] <kiko> yes
[11:06] <kiko> I just don't see concrete evidence that grouping all our projects into one will help much.
[11:06] <kiko> if it just means I need to file dupes every blue moon I am not bothered.
[11:06] <mpt> there are other problems
[11:06] <mpt> e.g. marking spec dependencies
[11:06] <kiko> spec dependencies?
[11:07] <mpt> You can't mark a blueprint in one project as dependent on a blueprint in another project
[11:07] <matsubara> so, bug 94323 should be the master bug for 103303 as well?
[11:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 94323 in launchpad "Large headings appear under tabs or push search field under tabs" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94323 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko)
[11:07] <mpt> Someone e-mailed me to apologize for reporting a duplicate and wanting to know what "soyuz" meant
[11:07] <kiko> yes.
[11:07] <mpt> "Well, you shouldn't need to know this, but ..."
[11:07] <kiko> mpt, the blueprint limitation sounds like a bug.
[11:08] <kiko> mpt, and again, searching through bugs in the project group would solve that.
[11:08] <kiko> I mean, you should be able to depend a launchpad spec on a zope spec, hopefully.
[11:08] <mpt> true
[11:09] <mpt> but we're just dancing around the lack of bug categorization which large upstreams will need eventually anyway
[11:09] <kiko> mpt, I think projects and project groups provide a good framework for that, whereas it appears you don't. I would rather we believed that what we have right now is good enough until we have good proof of otherwise.
[11:10] <mpt> Mozilla is evidence otherwise
[11:10] <mpt> so is Gnome
[11:10] <kiko> I know that it isn't perfect but I also know that there are things we could do to make things better.
[11:10] <mpt> and KDE
[11:11] <kiko> evidence?
[11:11] <kiko> I think that's a bit strong of a word.
[11:11] <mpt> Yes, they have multiple projects which themselves have multiple components
[11:12] <mpt> some of them have only two components, but others would be inconvenienced by their bugs being in a single bucket
[11:12] <kiko> if you look real close up at the components you'll see that many projects don't actually split them up so well, and they could use tags to categorize them (in particular if we did official bug tags)
[11:12] <kiko> so...
[11:12] <kiko> I don't think we have /evidence/ that that's the right split
[11:12] <kiko> just that there are other systems with more than two-level hierarchies
[11:12] <kiko> with which i would agree
[11:12] <mpt> If we can make tags fulfil this role, then great
[11:13] <mpt> because that would be simpler than tags+categories
[11:13] <kiko> mpt, help me get official bug tags implemented. the database table is already there!
[11:13] <mpt> the who the what now?
[11:13] <mpt> official bug tags?
[11:13] <kiko> it's a way for projects to mark bug tags that are blessed
[11:13] <kiko> we'd be able to favor them in many ways in the UI
[11:13] <kiko> it'd be the bomb
[11:13] <mpt> "official tags" is a near-oxymoron
[11:14] <kiko> really?
[11:14] <mpt> well
[11:14] <mpt> in the Web apps that I see using tags
[11:14] <mpt> other than Launchpad
[11:14] <kiko> I don't think it's crazy to say that certain contexts will have blessed certain tags.
[11:15] <mpt> auto-completion would be nifty
[11:15] <kiko> there are many other improvements we could make.
[11:17] <mpt> hmm
[11:19] <mpt> so for tags to replace the LP projects, we'd need a bugtracking tag and a translations tag and a distributions tag etc
[11:19] <mpt> and for those to be offered as suggestions on the bug-reporting page
[11:19] <mpt> "Customers who used this tag also used..."
[11:19] <mpt> (j/k)
[11:20] <kiko> I'd still rather they were separate projects
[11:20] <kiko> but maybe that will change my mind once we see how it affects use of the feature.
[11:22] <mpt> My motives are partly selfish here, because getting rid of the "malone" project probably would fix bug 88818 at a stroke
[11:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 88818 in malone "Many people report non-Launchpad bugs on Launchpad products" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88818 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)
[11:23] <thumper> morning kiko
[11:23] <kiko> I don't care very much about that bug. :)
[11:23] <kiko> hey thumper!
[11:24] <kiko> good to see you around
[11:24] <thumper> of course we are around
[11:24] <kiko> matsubara, flacoste: why is https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-answers/+question/6692 a 404?
[11:24] <thumper> kiko: why do we need to have the project in the above url?
[11:24] <matsubara> kiko: probably because someone changed the question target
[11:25] <mpt> kiko, I reported that bug a few days ago
[11:25] <mpt> the URL shouldn't contain the question target at all IMO
[11:25] <flacoste> kiko, bug 112990
[11:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112990 in launchpad-answers "Question URL shouldn't break when the question is retargeted" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112990
[11:25] <kiko> thumper, good question, but mostly because we want the question to appear in the correct context.
[11:25] <kiko> flacoste, thanks.
[11:25] <mpt> and showing the correct context shouldn't rely on what's in the URL
[11:25] <kiko> mpt, what should it rely on?
[11:25] <thumper> kiko: oooh kay...
[11:26] <mpt> kiko, context as retrieved from the DB
[11:26] <flacoste> kiko: well, the context object could set it
[11:26] <kiko> thumper, mostly. mpt and you know we could fetch that information from the question itself. but it's a lot easier if the URL stays sane while navigating under questions for launchpad..
[11:26] <mpt> I think we overestimate the importance of URLs, *a bit*
[11:26] <flacoste> that's exactly what I replied in the bug discussion
[11:27] <thumper> kiko: I was more thinking of situations where the question moves between projects
[11:27] <flacoste> well, not the overestimate part, but that URLs were part of the UI
[11:27] <mpt> partly because we (the Launchpad team) got so used to navigating by URL when Launchpad's navigation was much worse than it is now
[11:27] <thumper> kiko: and a good base url to hit like /bugs/+nnn
[11:27] <kiko> mpt, it is easier both from the UI perspective and from the implementation perspective in Zope3, mind you.
[11:27] <kiko> thumper, yeah, I don't disagree that's important
[11:28] <mpt> kiko, I know it's easy to implement, but I still think the harder way needs implementing, eventually for bugs too ;-)
[11:28] <mpt> easier, I mean
[11:28] <kiko> I don't think contextless bugs will help us..
[11:29] <mpt> I'm not saying they should be contextless, but that they should have simple URLs if they have only one context
[11:29] <mpt>  /questions/1234
[11:29] <mpt>  /bugs/1234
[11:29] <kiko> I think that as a shortcut is fine, but I am not sure the inconsistency in having them live there canonically is a good idea.
[11:29] <mpt>  /bugs/1234?context=projectthatitwasfiledonsubsequently
[11:29] <flacoste> hey mpt, thanks for your feedback on LiveHelp, but you still owe me comments on AnswerSpec
[11:29] <flacoste> just a reminder...
[11:29] <kiko> and I really don't like ?context=foo
[11:30] <kiko> REALLY
[11:30] <mpt> flacoste, sorry, I hadn't forgotten, I didn't get time for that one yesterday
[11:30] <mpt> kiko, not only is it better Google-wise, it's also an easier URL to hack
[11:30] <flacoste> mpt, no problem
[11:31] <flacoste> mpt, what about the problem that the URL switch from /ubuntu/+questions to /questions/XXXX as you navigate from the listing to the question itself?
[11:32] <flacoste> do you think we shouldn't care about that?
[11:32] <mpt> flacoste, I don't think that is a problem. At all.
[11:32] <kiko> I think it is, but..
[11:32] <mpt> Getting back to the question list is a single mouse click.
[11:33] <mpt> It's like Amazon not including category segments in its product URLs.
[11:34] <kiko> I can't believe you are talking about amazon URLs!
[11:34] <thumper> no one really looks at amazon urls
[11:34] <thumper> they use the sensible search stuff
[11:34] <thumper> and click through
[11:35] <thumper> . o 0 (no one looks at the urls cause  they are long and ugly)
[11:35] <mpt> ah, so there's the solution then
[11:35] <kiko> bespoke URLs from the devil himself
[11:35] <mpt> Make Launchpad URLs long and ugly so people don't look at them :-)
[11:36] <mpt> Remember, I'm suggesting making them *shorter*...
[11:36] <mpt> and without +s, even
[11:38] <mpt> It's not as if I can take "https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-answers/+question/6692" and lop off the "/6692" and get something useful, that's *still* a 404!
[11:38] <kiko> I think the fix for the bug could include making that DTRT..
[11:43] <flacoste> kiko, redirect +question to +questions?
[11:44] <kiko> flacoste, that too! I was thinking more of /6692 and /6691
[11:44] <jml> mpt: don't cry.


[12:16] <mibofra> hello guys
[19:59] <mibofra> guys, a thing, I'm trying to build from source mir. The mesa libs/binaries in the packages provided in the repo with ubuntu touch are already patched?
[19:59] <mibofra> or have I to recompile the mesa too?
[19:59] <mibofra> *the mesa exes/libs
[20:47] <mibofra> RAOF, http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/building_source_for_pc.html (I see your name on the git repo so), Do I need to compile also mesa after compiling mir, or the packages provided on ubuntu touch are patched?


[09:39] <obfuscated> Hello, is there some place where I can see the actively built series on launchpad.net. I've uploaded a package for 20.10 and I see that it is no longer supported.
[10:23] <cjwatson> obfuscated: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+series


[12:26] <zyth> Does anyone know why xubuntu doesnt let me find and connect to a WPA network like Ubuntu does, and how I can rectify this?
[12:29] <cellofellow> !wpa
[12:29] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:29] <Troubled-Jay> you have install WPA support, omething like WPA supplicant. i think wifi-radar or kwifi manager might have tools for it...
[12:29] <cellofellow> not sure though, never actually used Linux and wifi.
[12:29] <cellofellow> try wifi-radar
[12:29] <zyth> Oh, I could use WPA-supplicant, I just dont see why *Ubuntu* has a zeroconf-like thing and xubuntu doesn't
[12:29] <zyth> cellofellow, and is that on the CD?
[12:30] <cellofellow> nope, may be on the DVD
[12:30] <zyth> Hmm k.
[12:30] <zyth> I'll look into it.
[12:30] <zyth> thncx
[12:30] <zyth> *thnx, even
[12:30] <cellofellow> you can always just plug in to internet or use a thumbdrive to install software from inet.
[12:31] <zyth> yep, I can put the deb on SD card.
[12:31] <cellofellow> :-)
[12:31] <zyth> just figured I *had* to be missing something, since both Ubuntu and Kubuntu have zero config wifi setups
[12:31] <zyth> lol
[12:31] <cellofellow> Ubuntu and Kubuntu have heavy-duty DE's, with over-done apps.
[12:32] <zyth> Thanks! :)
[12:32] <cellofellow> Still, I have to admit, wirelessassistant or whatever the KDE app is works really well, on LiveCD.
[12:32] <cellofellow> Worked perfectly with my dads laptop.
[12:33] <Troubled-Jay> that's a point, actually, i just "repaired" (read: reformatted, replacing windows with xubuntu) a lappy for a friend. i've not tested the wifi, i'll mibby replace xubuntu with ubuntu or kubuntu before i give it back to him.
[12:34] <cellofellow> nah, just install that one app, like wifi-radar, and go.
[12:34] <cellofellow> I got wifi-radar to work on Ubuntu livecd too.
[12:34] <cellofellow> had to install from thumbdrive.
[12:35] <varustah> is there a setting to fix the lockout when u are asked for your user password?
[12:35] <Troubled-Jay> will wifi-radar support wpa, or will i have to go through all the trouble i had with getting wpa on damnsmall, manually editing the interfaces file?
[12:35] <varustah> i am using onboard
[12:36] <cellofellow> wifi-radar I think is profile based.
[12:36] <cellofellow> varustah: lockout?
[12:37] <varustah> k when im asked for my password, i cant use onboard
[12:37] <cellofellow> Troubled-Jay: it has wpasupplicant as a recommended package, so it should support it.
[12:37] <cellofellow> varustah: what's onboard?
[12:37] <varustah> onscreen keyboard
[12:38] <cellofellow> :(
[12:38] <cellofellow> you mean when gksu shows up? The password prompt for admin programs?
[12:38] <varustah> well i use gnome more
[12:39] <varustah> ya i think
[12:39] <cellofellow> I guess you could just use sudo and a terminal instead. You'd have to learn the lauching commands.
[12:39] <varustah> like login window settings
[12:40] <cellofellow> that one is gdmsetup
[12:40] <cellofellow> y not use hardware keyboard?
[12:40] <varustah> well gnome has "password dialogs as floating window"
[12:41] <varustah> mobility
[12:41] <cellofellow> if the gnome tool works, use it
[12:42] <varustah> gnome is good with accessability
[12:42] <varustah> but xfce is faster
[12:42] <neozen> xfce however, lacks a few things
[12:43] <cellofellow> or else it would just be gnome
[12:43] <varustah> ya
[12:43] <varustah> good point
[12:44] <Troubled-Jay> with the right libs, most gnome-based apps work in xfce, in my experience
[12:44] <neozen> but a little careful searching and selective installation of a few things that it does lack (easy wireless networking for an example) can result in perfectly good apps with only a few dependencies
[12:44] <varustah> i love gnome, just like trying others
[12:45] <Troubled-Jay> gnome reminds me too much of MacOS, or Amiga Workbench
[12:45] <varustah> i tried fluxbox and enlightenment
[12:45] <Troubled-Jay> but not enough like Workbench to be nostalgically worth using
[12:46] <varustah> kde is sweet too i guess
[12:47] <varustah> i havent used ubuntu as a main os yet, still virtualization
[12:49] <cellofellow> I've used XFCE for a good 9 months or so now. Before that I was Mr. KDE, cause I started with Knoppix and moved to Kubuntu, but my computer is too slow.
[12:49] <cellofellow> When I get a new computer, it will include gnome by default (Dell N-series) but I will try KDE and may just fall back to XFCE.
[12:50] <varustah> i wanna dual boot ubuntu/xp
[12:51] <cellofellow> Sounds cool. I never used XP.
[12:51] <cellofellow> Only windows I ever used was 98, and now I upgraded that to 2000.
[12:51] <varustah> stable imo
[12:51] <cellofellow> b4 that I used Mac OS Classic.
[12:51] <cellofellow> :)
[12:52] <varustah> vista horror stories are all i hear
[12:52] <cellofellow> oh, and my moms laptop, that I used to have, has WinME. Even more horror stories than Vista.
[12:53] <varustah> and dell is helping with ubuntu/linux support
[12:53] <varustah> with drivers
[12:53] <varustah> ewwww
[12:53] <varustah> lol
[12:53] <cellofellow> Hope they get that Wireless-N card that is optional on the windows version of the 1420 working with Ubuntu.
[12:56] <cellofellow> only option on 1420 N is a 802.11a/b/g card, no n option.
[12:56] <varustah> gotta eat, thx, gnite
[01:07] <Troubled-Jay> what's the command to mount bin/cue files on a virtual drive?
[01:07] <Troubled-Jay> wait, that's iso you can do that with
[01:08] <zials> yea, conver it to ISO first
[01:09] <zials> this site offers a good enough guide -> http://www.jonhoweonline.com/blog/node/82
[01:11] <Troubled-Jay> is there an easier way to burn KVCD iso -> DVD?
[01:19] <zials> mhmm... can't you burn it on a CD-R?
[01:20] <Troubled-Jay> VCDs don't play on playstation2 and my standalone DVD player broke...and i only have 4 CDRs left and i'm flat broke
[01:21] <Troubled-Jay> i've got about 10 or 15 DVD-Rs
[01:23] <zials> well... I only know about devede... though I'm not sure if it will take in a KVCD
[01:23] <wckdkl0wn> will xubuntu run ok on a amd k6-300?
[01:24] <wckdkl0wn> it would only be used to web surfing and card games pretty much
[01:24] <zials> yup
[01:25] <zials> well, there have been people who've been able to run it, so... well, how much ram do you have?
[01:25] <wckdkl0wn> i think it is 128
[01:25] <wckdkl0wn> its possible it has 256 i dunno
[01:25] <zials> thats good enough
[01:25] <wckdkl0wn> maybe if i remove the desktop and add fluxbox? it would run faster?
[01:26] <zials> well, the only thing I recommend is using the alternate CD to install instead of the LiveCD
[01:27] <zials> yup
[01:30] <wckdkl0wn> shoot i am about half way through the cd download
[01:30] <wckdkl0wn> lol
[02:22] <wckdkl0wn> download of alternate cd is taking forever
[02:22] <wckdkl0wn> only getting 56k a sec
[02:22] <wckdkl0wn> should be well over 100
[02:35] <neozen> time to use a different mirror
[02:37] <neozen> a question
[02:39] <neozen> would anyone consider having the icon box support flashing (via something fast like color inversion) the application's icon upon change of the application (in the same instances where the button in the task-list would flash?
[02:39] <Jester45> i wouldnt like that
[02:40] <Jester45> i dont even like when the task ones flash
[02:42] <wckdkl0wn> i used the torrent version instead
[02:42] <wckdkl0wn> going much faster now
[02:43] <Jester45> thats what its there for
[02:43] <Jester45> and to make the server downloads faster because they have less load then
[02:59] <mrpo1> hello hello
[03:00] <mrpo1> /getinfo pok
[03:00] <mrpo1> whoops
[03:01] <mrpo1> Well I succesfully installed xubuntu, and downloaded gnomebaker, and am currently burning away. :)
[03:02] <wckdkl0wn> what is gnomebaker?
[03:02] <mrpo1> Although, gnomebaker says it has approx 450 minutes remaining...
[03:02] <mrpo1> CD burning app
[03:02] <wckdkl0wn> why dont u just use k3b?
[03:03] <mrpo1> I've never heard of it.
[03:03] <wckdkl0wn> i was told to use k3b for burning cd's
[03:04] <wckdkl0wn> its in the repositories too
[03:04] <mrpo1> The program that's pre-installed, xfburn, I had problems with, so I checked the web and somewhere mentioned gnomebaker
[03:04] <mrpo1> I'll track down k3b and try that one later on
[03:04] <wckdkl0wn> well for ubuntu it is i dunno about xubuntu but i would assume it would be
[03:04] <wckdkl0wn> i just did apt-get install k3b from terminal and it install in like 10 seconds lol
[03:04] <mrpo1> Thanks for the tip. :)
[03:05] <wckdkl0wn> doesnt have mp3 suport right away though
[03:05] <wckdkl0wn> there is something else u have to install to use it with mp3's and such
[03:05] <mrpo1> I've only ever used the synaptic package manager
[03:05] <wckdkl0wn> go to terminal
[03:05] <wckdkl0wn> type sudo apt-get install k3b
[03:05] <wckdkl0wn> pretty simple
[03:06] <mrpo1> alright, it's d/ling now
[03:07] <mrpo1> so 'apt-get' calls the repositories?
[03:07] <wckdkl0wn> yea
[03:07] <mrpo1> which is just a list of known working apps?
[03:07] <wckdkl0wn> sudo gives it admin rights to install
[03:07] <wckdkl0wn> pretty much
[03:09] <mrpo1> Well I'm a little less stupid then when I woke up.
[03:09] <mrpo1> now pretty much any program can be used from the terminal, right?
[03:11] <wckdkl0wn> yea
[03:11] <mrpo1> I just need to know the commands to use.
[03:12] <wckdkl0wn> after u install it in terminal look at ur menus up top
[03:12] <mrpo1> At a guess, if I wanted to install Opera, i'd 'sudo apt-get install opera'
[03:12] <wckdkl0wn> should be in there
[03:12] <mrpo1> It's still downloading.
[03:12] <wckdkl0wn> i believe so
[03:13] <wckdkl0wn> really?
[03:13] <mrpo1> Can I do that in the same terminal that's d/ling k3b, or should I open another window?
[03:13] <wckdkl0wn> i would wait til that is done first
[03:13] <wckdkl0wn> do u have a slow internet connection?>
[03:14] <mrpo1> Not really, just a few extra packages that need to be installed, I guess.
[03:14] <wckdkl0wn> cause k3b installed for me in like 10 seconds
[03:14] <vidd> mrpo1, you can open a new terminal....no harm done
[03:14] <mrpo1> this is only the second app I've installed, so it probably needs support packages
[03:14] <mrpo1> Thanks vidd
[03:14] <vidd> wait...dl'ing? or installing ?
[03:15] <wckdkl0wn> both
[03:15] <wckdkl0wn> lol
[03:15] <mrpo1> Yeah, both. :)
[03:15] <mrpo1> 'apt-get' ing
[03:15] <vidd> well,,,,then apt is locked and you have to wait
[03:16] <wckdkl0wn> if ur installing soemthing with apt-get then u cant open another terminal and try to do anoyther apt-get
[03:16] <mrpo1> OK, no worries.
[03:16] <mrpo1> thanks guys. :)
[03:16] <wckdkl0wn> same reason u cant go into ur package manager right now lol
[03:16] <wckdkl0wn> ur basically using package manager right now just not the gui manager
[03:17] <mrpo1> nod, ok.
[03:28] <mrpo1> Gnomebaker seemed to burn OK, if a little slow.
[03:29] <mrpo1> I've not used this burner before, though, so I'm not sure how fast it should be.
[03:29] <wckdkl0wn> mrpo1, ok after u isntall k3b if u intend to burn mp3's to audio cd's u will need to do 2 things
[03:29] <mrpo1> Just backing up audio CDs right now
[03:29] <mrpo1> one drive to another
[03:29] <wckdkl0wn> "sudo apt-get install libk3b2-mp3"
[03:30] <wckdkl0wn> and "sudo apt-get install libmad0"
[03:31] <mrpo1> Is that a zero or capital 'o'
[03:32] <wckdkl0wn> zero
[03:32] <mrpo1> done and done, thank you.
[03:32] <wckdkl0wn> np
[03:33] <mrpo1> So where do you get this information from?
[03:33] <wckdkl0wn> lmao i just closed the window with the link
[03:33] <mrpo1> Would I just google info on k3b?
[03:34] <wckdkl0wn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[03:34] <wckdkl0wn> To add mp3 support to GnomeBaker, install gstreamer0.8-mad and gstreamer0.8-misc.
[03:34] <wckdkl0wn> To add mp3 support to K3b, install libk3b2-mp3.
[03:44] <mrpo1> So whats a good alternative to firefox in xfce?
[03:45] <zials> well, you mean asside from firefox itself?
[03:46] <zials> theres... Dillo, which is more lightweight
[03:46] <mrpo1> Yeah- Is there anything that's a bit slimmer?
[03:46] <mrpo1> Does it still have tabbed browsing?
[03:46] <zials> I believe theres a patch...
[03:46] <mrpo1> Thanks, I'll check it out
[03:47] <zials> http://www.dillo.org/
[03:49] <wckdkl0wn> i wonder if there is a program that will go to a website u tell it to and keep refreshing until a new link shows up on the page and then alerts u
[03:50] <wckdkl0wn> anyone hear of something like this?
[03:50] <zials> ... I don't think I understood the point of that
[03:50] <wckdkl0wn> well see i use a site for the ad clicks thing and it pays out
[03:51] <wckdkl0wn> but not all the time are there ads to click on
[03:51] <wckdkl0wn> have to keep going back and refreshing
[03:51] <wckdkl0wn> and most of the time i miss them cause i wasnt there to refresh it
[03:51] <mrpo1> iCab has something like that, but its a osx app
[03:52] <wckdkl0wn> osx?
[03:52] <wckdkl0wn> oh
[03:52] <wckdkl0wn> lol
[03:52] <mrpo1> Mac OS
[03:52] <wckdkl0wn> duh
[03:52] <mrpo1> :)
[03:52] <mrpo1> The 'other other' OS
[03:53] <Jester45> you could wget url maybe
[03:53] <Jester45> or w3m
[03:54] <mrpo1> Dillo is available in Debian, GNU-Darwin, Slackware, RPMs and NetBSD. I want the Debian one, right?
[03:54] <zials> yup
[03:55] <Jester45> you can  apt-get isntall dillo
[03:55] <Jester45> install*
[03:55] <wckdkl0wn> sudo apt-get
[03:56] <Jester45> useing apt or source is best as debain packages are becoming less and less compatiable
[03:56] <mrpo1> Jester, do you mean use apt-get instead of sudo apt-get?
[03:57] <mrpo1> I'm a complete newbie, forgive me.
[03:57] <zials> no, he means don't use the debian package
[03:57] <wckdkl0wn> sudo just tells linux that the admin is installing this not just a user  (more or less kinda like that lol)
[03:57] <mrpo1> So install from the terminal, rather than downloading from the page?
[03:58] <wckdkl0wn> yup
[03:58] <zials> or use synaptic if you like a graphical interface
[03:59] <Jester45> sudo makes the command be run by root
[03:59] <Jester45> and is needed when installing packages
[03:59] <mrpo1> I may as well get used to the terminal. :)
[03:59] <Jester45> i keep a root terminal open all the time so i dont use sudo to often
[03:59] <mrpo1> Thanks guys
[04:00] <Jester45> mrpo1: for later package needs try seaching apt-cache search term
[04:00] <Jester45> sudo isnt needed
[04:00] <Jester45> it will save you time
[04:00] <wckdkl0wn> make terminal ur friend
[04:00] <wckdkl0wn> lol
[04:00] <zials> does apt-cache give descriptions too?
[04:01] <mrpo1> Jester, I don't quite follow
[04:01] <Jester45> linux is not windows you dont have to use google to find programs
[04:01] <Jester45> mrpo1: if you want a program use apt-cache search <term>
[04:01] <Jester45> term being what you are searching so
[04:01] <Jester45> for*
[04:02] <zials> wouldn't synaptic be more new-user-friendly?
[04:02] <Jester45> so apt-cache search dillo would find things related to dillo or more generally you could do web browser
[04:02] <Jester45> maybe
[04:02] <mrpo1> Ah, I see
[04:02] <Jester45> i wouldnt think so
[04:02] <wckdkl0wn> yea but he would eventually need to learn terminal
[04:03] <Jester45> need = should
[04:03] <Jester45> and probly will
[04:05] <wckdkl0wn> without terminal ur pretty much a windows user lol
[04:16] <mrpo1> OK, I seem to have found a Dillo patch with tabs at http://www.geocities.com/ikbenfrank/, but I'm not sure if it will work with xubuntu
[04:18] <Jester45> it should be
[04:20] <tupa> where are the C and C++ manual pages??, I installed gcc-doc but there isn't a single C/C++ manual
[04:20] <mrpo1> OK so when I'm not using apt-get to install, how do I install the .gz from the desktop?
[04:20] <Jester45> have you looked at   man gcc
[04:20] <mrpo1> or how do I apply the patch
[04:21] <Jester45>   mrpo1 its source code
[04:23] <Jester45> im kinda busy right now i could help in a while maybe someone else could explain
[04:24] <mrpo1> No worries, I'm about to head into town anyway.
[04:24] <mrpo1> Forgive my ignorance. :)
[04:28] <Jester45> np your new i was new once apon a time
[04:30] <mrpo1> Do I need to add this source code to the dillo source, then recompile it? Or am I on the wrong track completely?
[04:30] <Jester45> yea
[04:30] <Jester45> getting there
[04:31] <Pumpernickel> Use `patch`, merge the patch, and then compile.
[04:34] <wckdkl0wn> hrmm setup on the k6 2/300 hangs
[04:34] <wckdkl0wn> before it gets to setup anyway
[04:35] <Jester45> wckdkl0wn: error?
[04:35] <wckdkl0wn> no error just hangs
[04:35] <wckdkl0wn> right after it starts to boot from cd it says
[04:36] <wckdkl0wn> initializing gfx....
[04:36] <wckdkl0wn> then has 4 lines of memory malloc ******
[04:36] <wckdkl0wn> and just hangs after that
[04:37] <wckdkl0wn> has a blinking cursor under all that
[04:39] <wckdkl0wn> i wonder if i could install my copy of ubuntu to it and then downgrade it to run better
[04:42] <wckdkl0wn> nvm hangs on that too
[04:42] <wckdkl0wn> same thing
[04:42] <Jester45> downgrade? you mean upgrade it to xfce
[04:42] <wckdkl0wn> make it smaller i meant lol
[04:43] <wckdkl0wn> its a very old system and its just used by the kids for web browsing and card games
[04:43] <Jester45> maybe try a diffrent version
[04:44] <wckdkl0wn> i tryed ubuntu 5.04 earlier
[04:44] <wckdkl0wn> got about half way through and errored out
[04:45] <Jester45> try 7.10
[04:45] <Jester45> older is probly not better
[04:45] <wckdkl0wn> i just did
[04:45] <wckdkl0wn> lol
[04:46] <wckdkl0wn> thats the ubuntu i was talkin about trying to install then downgrade
[04:46] <Jester45> o
[04:46] <Jester45> how about a debain netinstall?
[04:46] <wckdkl0wn> ?
[04:47] <Jester45> just get the most basic system change the source.list then install xubuntu-desktop
[04:48] <wckdkl0wn> "sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop"
[04:48] <wckdkl0wn> right?
[04:49] <Jester45> yea after you change the /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:49] <wckdkl0wn> ok
[04:50] <Jester45> dont install the DE
[04:50] <Jester45> as that will give you the debain gui and related programs
[04:50] <Jester45> the basic system is the same and should convert with no problem
[04:52] <wckdkl0wn> i wonder if it is the gfx that is hanging it up
[04:53] <Jester45> anyone here good with grub?
[04:53] <Jester45> what would you use for grub inreplacement of /hdb1
[04:53] <Jester45> hd1,0?
[05:18] <_MMA_> Hi all. Can anyone tell me what package holds the "Task List" applet for the panel?
[05:21] <Jester45> um
[05:25] <Jester45> not sure
[05:25] <Jester45> you can search synatics or using apt-cache search
[05:26] <_MMA_> I did. Its not obvious.
[05:27] <Jester45> it might just be intergrated into the panel package
[05:27] <Jester45> why do you need it
[05:29] <_MMA_> Jester45: Because just grabbing xfce4 and xfce4-panel doesnt seem to get it. So it looks to be an applet. Which one, I dont know.
[05:29] <Jester45> try xfce-goodies
[05:31] <_MMA_> Im sure one of the packages is part of that. Im just trying to narrow it down.
[05:46] <Linuturk> how do I upgrade edgy xubuntu to feisty?
[05:51] <_MMA_> Linuturk: Hi. :) Just change the entries in your sources.list to feisty. The dist-upgrade. I would have thought you would know that. ;)
[05:52] <Linuturk> I knew how to do that, just thought there was another way
[06:00] <coldsteal> hello i am trying to get a softphone working and i have tryed allot of them and i cant get my mic to work with some of them i get the error /dev/dsp missing or /dev/esp mising
[06:21] <Dark_Nexus> hello
[06:22] <Dark_Nexus> trying to modify mime types, and i'm not sure how
[06:26] <wckdkl0wn> what are some other cool desktop addons like desklets?
[06:53] <capo> will compiz work on xubuntu?
[06:55] <hyper_ch> capo: yes
[06:55] <capo> thanks
[07:16] <corevette> is there a battery icon for xubunut?
[07:16] <corevette> xubuntu
[07:27] <hyper_ch> corevette: yes, there is
[07:59] <tupa> I noticed ubuntu not having alsaconf, how do I configure alsa, I come from debian, so ubuntu should have alsaconf
[08:08] <radioaktivstorm> for anyone thats around....i much prefer the feel of xubuntu to kubuntu, but for some reason....my laptop gets very very hot if i use xubuntu.... and generally says cooler under kubuntu. can someone explain why this happpens?
[09:07] <mrpol> hey hey
[09:08] <mrpol> What should I do when a program hangs? K3B is just sitting there on the burn dialog, 0% done.
[09:09] <mrpol> I've hit cancel, no response, hit the close button, no response.
[09:12] <tupa> mrpol kill the app
[09:13] <tupa> mrpol you have several options, the easier one is to do a CTRL+ALT+ESC and click on k3b so the processes are killed
[09:14] <tupa> the other one is looking at the processes table with ps -e and using kill -9 pid_number or killall -9 nameofapp
[09:20] <mrpo1> OK, remind me not to kill K3B on the taskbar next time. :)
[09:21] <mrpo1> I think I killed the taskbar, rather than K3B.
[09:21] <mrpo1> I had to restart
[09:23] <mrpo1> Is there a keyboard shortcut to get a terminal line?
[09:47] <tors> mrpo1: CTRL + ALT + (F1-F6, F7 will get you back to the Desktop)
[09:53] <anto> Hi!
[09:54] <anto> I am new with Ubuntu and I need to find related info regarding to Oracle installation within Linux Ubuntu. Can you help me to find the informations?
[09:57] <anto> Hi Linuxers ! :)
[10:00] <anto> Hmm..very tranquil.
[10:00] <anto> Signing out...
[02:22] <FactTech> Question: I am trying to install Xubuntu on a very low memory older machine (32MB). Even the 6.10 alternate install CD is reporting that there isn't enough memory. Will it install a command line system? If so, will hardware detection happen on install?
[03:06] <taxman> hmm, weird, just installed 7.04 on my laptop and after logging in, if I try to run terminal, it crashes X every time and brings me back to the login screen. I found I can run xterm. What should I be looking for for the error?
[03:49] <fijam> hello
[03:49] <Countess_Julia> hi
[04:09] <silvertip257> Hello, I'm trying to use the alternate xubuntu 7.04 cd to install on an old-er pc but it fails at "Select and Install Software" ... any ideas?
[05:45] <th3man> how do i change time format from edt to utc?
[05:45] <th3man> can someone tell me where that file is located?
[06:29] <panfist> hello, im using feisty installed on a laptop and i have two questions...1) when i close my screen an app called "x screen saver" or something comes on and locks my computer, how can i set it up so that it doesnt lock but just turns the screen off,
[06:29] <panfist> and two, how can i troubleshoot my laptop not being able to resume from standby
[06:35] <zials> well, for #1, try going to Applications -> Settings -> Screensaver settings
[06:35] <zials> and uncheck the "lock screen after x minutes"
[06:36] <panfist> well zials i have the screensaver completely disabled actually, just when i shut the laptop it comes on
[06:36] <panfist> in the .xscreensaver config file there is even a line that says lock: false
[06:37] <zials> ahh, that
[06:38] <zials> I believe theres a file to modify.. 1 sec
[06:38] <zials> ok, open /usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank with mousepad or any text editor
[06:39] <zials> and remove the "xscreensaver-command - lock" line
[06:39] <panfist> ok
[06:40] <zials> or remove the whole "if" statement
[06:40] <hyper__ch> hiho
[06:40] <zials> up to you
[06:40] <panfist> does # start a comment?
[06:41] <panfist> i'll just comment it out instead of deleting it until i know it works
[06:41] <zials> yup...
[06:41] <hyper__ch> panfist: what language?
[06:41] <zials> hyper__ch - its the file /usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank
[06:41] <hyper__ch> panfist: bash script?
[06:41] <panfist> i dunno
[06:42] <panfist> some kind of OS scripting i think
[06:42] <zials> looks like bash to me
[06:42] <hyper__ch> zials: bash script?
[06:42] <panfist> do i need to restart X for it to take effect?
[06:44] <zials> I'm guessing so.. since it uses X
[06:44] <zials> and yea, its bash
[06:45] <panfist> i didnt have to restart x...i guess it just reads the file whenever it needs it
[06:46] <zials> it works though?
[06:46] <panfist> yup it does exactly whati want, turns off the monitor but leaves it unlocked if i shut the screen
[06:46] <hyper__ch> then the # will comment that line
[06:46] <panfist> i commented out the whole nested if within the first if
[06:47] <Countess_Julia> hey guys
[06:47] <Countess_Julia> someone knows a better way to install xubuntu 7.04 in a pc
[06:47] <panfist> better than what
[06:47] <zials> better than alternate CD?
[06:47] <Countess_Julia> a better way than the descripted in the help page
[06:48] <panfist> if the live CD and alternate CD both give you errors, it might be due to a bug between the new kernel in feisty and your specific hardware configuration
[06:48] <Countess_Julia> i have the live cd, i have started the xfce and it doesnt work
[06:48] <zials> did you try the alternate one?
[06:49] <Countess_Julia> how can i do that
[06:49] <zials> its at the same place as LiveCD
[06:50] <zials> http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[06:50] <zials> get the alternate version for your system
[06:50] <Countess_Julia> but
[06:50] <Countess_Julia> i have 64k connection
[06:51] <Countess_Julia> i had to wait 2 weeks to download the live cd
[06:51] <zials> mhmm... I wonder where the mini xubuntu download is
[06:51] <bambam_> hi
[06:51] <panfist> you can request a CD by mail and they will send it to you, probably faster than you can download
[06:51] <Countess_Julia> i'm in argentina
[06:52] <Countess_Julia> they can do that?
[06:52] <panfist> i believe so
[06:52] <Countess_Julia> send the cd to argentina?
[06:52] <Countess_Julia> whats the cost?
[06:52] <zials> they don't have any for xubuntu
[06:52] <Countess_Julia> o.o
[06:53] <hyper_ch> Countess_Julia: https://shipit.ubuntu.com/login
[06:53] <Countess_Julia> i think i have to download it
[06:53] <hyper_ch> Countess_Julia: you have bittorrent?
[06:53] <Countess_Julia> thanks hyper_ch
[06:53] <Countess_Julia> i'll try
[06:53] <hyper_ch> Countess_Julia: or can you go to a university or something like that?
[06:54] <hyper_ch> Countess_Julia: you could also try a ubuntu loco in argentina if they could send you the alternate cd
[06:54] <hyper_ch> Countess_Julia: why do you want to use xfce and not gnome?
[06:54] <Countess_Julia> no, we here, in argentina, use windows xp pirated
[06:54] <zials> wasen't there that.. mini download (like 8mb in size)
[06:55] <Countess_Julia> it works?? the mini download
[06:55] <hyper_ch> who doesn't use pirated windows software?
[06:55] <zials> o.o
[06:55] <hyper_ch> Countess_Julia: I don't think it was 8MB... I thought it was more than that... but then you will need to download everything else through the net
[06:56] <zials> well, there are other smaller distros...
[06:56] <Countess_Julia> ouch
[06:56] <Countess_Julia> like puppy linux??
[06:56] <Countess_Julia> i had heared it's 80 mb
[06:56] <hyper_ch> Countess_Julia: puppy or I use DamnSmallLinux on my USB stick
[06:57] <Countess_Julia> kk
[06:57] <zials> DSL is... 50 mb
[06:57] <zials> or somewhere in that area
[06:57] <Countess_Julia> i have 64 kbps in cablemodem
[06:59] <Countess_Julia> we all, in argentina, have windows xp, no one has linux
[07:00] <Countess_Julia> i dont have no one to ask
[07:00] <hyper_ch> a cablemodem capped at 64kbps? wow, that sux :(
[07:02] <zials> well... theres also fluxbuntu... but its not really in a final state
[07:02] <zials> although... how much ram do you have?
[07:03] <hyper_ch> hmm, something's killing my inet conn
[07:03] <hyper_ch> Countess_Julia: http://www.ubuntu-ar.org
[07:04] <hyper_ch> Countess_Julia: maybe someone there can send you the cd
[07:04] <Countess_Julia> ehhh...
[07:04] <Countess_Julia> 192 mb ram
[07:04] <hyper_ch> Countess_Julia: how much ram do you have?
[07:04] <Countess_Julia> 1ghz proccessor
[07:05] <Countess_Julia> 192 mb
[07:05] <hyper_ch> ah, that's little ram
[07:05] <hyper_ch> Countess_Julia: alternate install cd is very much recommended
[07:08] <Countess_Julia> thank you, but i think i better install damn small linux
[07:08] <Countess_Julia> i'm downloading it's torrent version
[07:09] <Countess_Julia> good bye thanks for the help
[07:38] <Hidan> hmm... does xubuntu have Asian language(Japanese/Chinese) support?
[07:43] <Pumpernickel> To some extent, yes.  You can check what people are working on, here: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+translations
[07:47] <pascal80> Which command is Applications -> System -> Network on Xubuntu?
[07:50] <hyper_ch> !install
[07:50] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[07:53] <hyper_ch> hm
[07:54] <pascal80> I'm trying to reassign bug #127948 to the right package but don't have Xubuntu installed
[07:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127948 in Ubuntu "network admin doesnt change interfaces file" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127948
[07:55] <pascal80> Can somebody tell me which command Applications -> System -> Network is on Xubuntu?
[07:59] <Balaams_Miracle> pascal80, it's network-admin
[08:03] <pascal80> Balaams_Miracle: thanks, can you also tell me what dpkg -S network-admin returns for you?
[08:05] <Balaams_Miracle> pascal80, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31129/
[08:08] <pascal80> Balaams_Miracle: Thanks again, the bug is in xubuntu-system-tools
[08:09] <Balaams_Miracle> pascal80, i have VirtualBox installed with Xubuntu, Ubuntu and Kubuntu in seperate virtual machines. They often come in handy for various reasons :-)
[08:11] <pascal80> Balaams_Miracle: Thanks for the tip!
[08:13] <pascal80> Balaams_Miracle: any debian packages available?
[08:13] <Balaams_Miracle> pascal80, see for yourself at http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads   :-)
[08:14] <Balaams_Miracle> (that was a "yes" :-))
[08:14] <pascal80> Balaams_Miracle: ok thanks, was looking in ubuntu repos...
[08:15] <Balaams_Miracle> pascal80, i feel that VB should be in the Ubuntu repos, but i guess it will take some time before that happens
[08:15] <hyper_ch> Balaams_Miracle: VmWare handles USB devices better
[08:16] <Balaams_Miracle> hyper_ch, true. But in VB you can at least create your own VM's
[08:16] <hyper_ch> Balaams_Miracle: maybe with gutsy but I doubt it
[08:17] <Balaams_Miracle> hyper_ch, What is it you are doubting?
[08:28] <pascal80> !newpackage
[08:28] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[08:28] <pascal80> Balaams_Miracle: did you check the above link for getting a package integrated into Ubuntu?
[08:31] <pascal80> Balaams_Miracle: already requested, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/102098
[08:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102098 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  VirtualBox" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[08:31] <Balaams_Miracle> Not yet, i currently busy helping someone fix a problem :-)
[09:06] <hyper_ch> any networking gurus here?
[09:06] <fijam> hyper_ch, not really a guru but might help
[09:07] <hyper_ch> fijam: well, I have two nics and two independant networks... how can I make that application 1 only uses nic1 and application2 only uses nic2?
[09:14] <madhatter349> hey
[09:14] <madhatter349> i need to enable line in input how do i do that
[09:15] <madhatter349> what should i do
[09:15] <madhatter349> its so i can get audio from my tv card
[09:17] <khatuido> t
[09:17] <Balaams_Miracle> madhatter349, click the volume icon on your panel. Then click "show switches" and tick the appropriate checkbox
[09:18] <madhatter349> i dont see any volume icon
[09:18] <madhatter349> i can go to the xfce setting managers
[09:18] <madhatter349> if u want
[09:18] <Balaams_Miracle> It's supposed to be next to the system tray in the top panel
[09:19] <madhatter349> nope
[09:19] <madhatter349> unless im nto seeing it
[09:19] <madhatter349> lol
[09:20] <Balaams_Miracle> Hmmm.. Try this: right-click the top panel and choose "add new item". Then add "volume settings" (or something similar, i'm using Dutch language)
[09:21] <madhatter349> k
[09:21] <madhatter349> done
[09:21] <Balaams_Miracle> Now you can click the volume icon and make the changes to the mixer
[09:21] <khatuido> hey guys
[09:21] <madhatter349> k
[09:22] <khatuido> someone know a ubuntu yahoo messenger for linux with cam?
[09:22] <khatuido> i got amsn with cam but i don't see one with yahoo and cam
[09:22] <khatuido> cos i can go in gaim but no cam
[09:22] <Balaams_Miracle> I seem to remember that Pidgin/Gaim does have a cam plugin somewhere. But i am not 100% sure
[09:23] <madhatter349> anybody hear install mythtv on xubuntu
[09:24] <khatuido> oki balaams i will check
[09:24] <Balaams_Miracle> khatuido, you may have to check the Pidgin website though
[09:25] <khatuido> it's a yahoo client?
[09:25] <khatuido> i don't know pidgin
[09:25] <Balaams_Miracle> Pidgin is the new name for Gaim
[09:26] <khatuido> oh
[09:26] <khatuido> oki
[09:26] <khatuido> :)
[09:44] <cryosphere> hi
[09:44] <cryosphere> Im trying to figure out if my video card is using the correct driver
[09:45] <cryosphere> hello?
[09:47] <ablomen> crimsun, what kind of video card is it?
[09:47] <ablomen> woops sorry
[09:47] <ablomen> ment cryosphere
[09:48] <cryosphere> ati radeon express 200m
[09:48] <ablomen> ok well type 'cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep "driver"' in a terminal
[09:48] <ablomen> and post the output :)
[09:49] <ablomen> woops sorry
[09:49] <ablomen> wrong
[09:49] <ablomen> ok well type 'cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep "DRIVER"' in a terminal
[09:49] <cryosphere> lsmod | grep ati
[09:49] <cryosphere> i think I using agpgart
[09:50] <cryosphere> cryosphere@temnozor:~$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep DRIVER
[09:50] <cryosphere> cryosphere@temnozor:~$
[09:50] <cryosphere> cryosphere@temnozor:~$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep DRIVER
[09:50] <cryosphere> cryosphere@temnozor:~$
[09:50] <cryosphere> Section "Device"
[09:50] <cryosphere>         Identifier      "ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M] "
[09:50] <cryosphere>         Driver          "ati"
[09:50] <cryosphere>         BusID           "PCI:1:5:0"
[09:51] <ablomen> ah sorry capital D small evice, my bad ;)
[09:51] <cryosphere> ok Il use pastebin
[09:52] <ablomen> cryosphere, well it sais it uses ati
[09:52] <ablomen> so that should be alright
[09:52] <cryosphere> so the dirver is ati
[09:52] <cryosphere> right
[09:52] <ablomen> and agpgart is a kernel module, no video driver :)
[09:52] <cryosphere> but glxgears only gives me 570 fps
[09:53] <cryosphere> seems kinda low
[09:53] <ablomen> hmm well i dunno about ati cards, so cant help you, sorry
[09:53] <ablomen> maybe you need to look at fglx or whatever it is
[09:54] <cryosphere> is that a different driver
[09:54] <ablomen> yeah
[09:54] <ablomen> but i dont know if it supports your vcard or how you install it
[09:55] <cryosphere> ok
[09:55] <cryosphere> thanks
[09:55] <ablomen> fglrx << thats it btw
[09:55] <ablomen> np, good luck
[09:59] <cryosphere> how can I see my chipset
[09:59] <cryosphere> for the video card
[10:00] <ablomen> try lspci
[10:19] <godless> cryosphere:  According to what you pasted you have a radeon...
[10:31] <panfist> hey
[10:31] <khatuido> hello
[10:31] <panfist> is anyone familiar with the mass rename utility
[10:31] <khatuido> not me
[10:36] <Pumpernickel> !anyone
[10:36] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[10:39] <panfist> how can i add different id3 tag renaming schema to the bulk rename utility
[10:41] <panfist> next question, how can i bind my windows key to the xfce menu
[10:44] <fijam> panfist, check out picard and xfce wiki
[11:21] <panfist> is there a command for show desktop?
[11:29] <zials> err... doesn't the button on the bottom-left work?
[11:56] <Jester45> anyone know why my /home partition doesnt auto mount i have to login to a failsafe terminal and run sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /home
[11:57] <Jester45> but its in my fstab just fine
[11:57] <Jester45> i didnt mess with the file
[12:02] <Jester45>  kalikiana would you know why my /home partition doesnt mount but i havent edited fstab?
[12:02] <Jester45> i have to run sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /home to mount it
[12:04] <kalikiana> What did you change until that happended? There must be something.
[12:04] <kalikiana> Did you check your permissions on /home?