[00:00] <nova> #xubuntu-es too perhaps
[00:01] <xubuntu51i> gracias, probaré por ahí
[00:05] <xubuntu51i> En el canal en español, nadie me responde. Les cuento por si alguno de ustedes sabe y me dice.
[00:06] <xubuntu51i> Tenemos una pc en el trabajo con xubuntu, es el server desde el cual acceden todas las computadoras con windows, a traves de XMing
[00:07] <xubuntu51i> Todos los días a las 14 hs aparece un mensaje de actualización y la computadora se pone terriblemente lenta por unas dos horas.
[00:07] <xubuntu51i> Mi intención es hacer que esto suceda, x ejemplo, a las 2 de la mañana.
[00:08] <xubuntu51i> sólo tengo acceso al servidor por medio de línea de comandos, a través de ssh
[00:09] <xubuntu51i> busqué información referente al tema, pero sólo encuentro como activar o desactivar las actualizaciones automaticas, o decidir si son diarias o semanales
[00:09] <xubuntu51i> pero en ningun lugar encuentro la hora en que suceden las mismas.
[00:19] <drleviathan> La pregunta es: ¿qué está causando que el servidor se desacelere?
[00:20] <drleviathan> Puede ejecutar el comando "top" para mostrar dónde está ocurriendo la carga de la CPU.
[00:22] <drleviathan> Además, examina los archivos de registro en /var/log podría dar algunas pistas
[00:24] <nova> xubuntu51i, Parece que cron.daily ejecuta "actualizaciones desatendidas". La siguiente página explica cómo cambiar el tiempo de ejecución de cron.daily:
[00:24] <nova> https://askubuntu.com/questions/36971/at-what-time-does-cron-execute-daily-scripts
[00:25] <nova> Sí, estoy de acuerdo con drl. Las actualizaciones automáticas no deberían reducir la velocidad durante 2 horas.
[00:27] <nova> https://serverfault.com/questions/431013/how-to-change-the-time-cron-daily-is-run-in-linux
[01:38] <xubuntu51i> investigaré con esta información que me pasaron, muchas muchas gracias a todos!
[03:11] <tatai> 8:25 AM <tatai> Hello, I am a first time user of xubuntu and I am having a problem with vlc media player. Whenever I jump forward in vlc, the video becomes pixelated after being halted for a couple of seconds, though the audio runs just fine. After 7-10 seconds everything goes back to normal. OS- xubuntu 16.04 LTS, graphics card- nvidia GT650M. Googling it gave a link-
[03:11] <tatai> https://askubuntu.com/questions/778933/vlc-pixelated-video-when-skipping?utm_medium=organic&utm_source=google_rich_qa&utm_campaign=google_rich_qa.   Though a solution was not exactly offered. Is there any way to tweek it back to normal?
[05:29] <nova> tatai that might just be a limitation of the codec, the way the frames are encoded
[05:30] <nova> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_compression_picture_types
[05:31] <nova> tatai: ever so often in the video is a complete frame (i frame), then there are a number of p or b frames after that use that i frame as a referene point
[05:32] <nova> when you skip, it would be ideal if you only snap to the nearest i frame
[05:32] <tatai> Thank you for replying.
[05:32] <nova> if you skip to a p or b frame you start off with limited information until the next i frame
[05:33] <tatai> nova: thanks for replying.
[05:33] <nova> youre welcome
[05:34] <tatai> nova: If this is a problem with the encoding of the codec, then does it mean that it should happen irrespective of the video player?
[05:35] <nova> unless another play snaps to the nearest i frame
[05:35] <tatai> nova: I am asking because on mplayer that problem does not arise.
[05:36] <nova> MPLayer and VLC
[05:36] <nova> VLC appears be unable to skip/seek to key-frames. MPlayer on the other hand will use key-frames when you press the forward/backward buttons. These short-cuts will try to go ahead/backwards by 10 seconds but will use the nearest key-frame when doing so. This makes it extremely fast, especially if you have loaded the video from a RAM disk.
[05:36] <nova> the source for that remark is here :https://blog.programster.org/fast-video-seeking
[05:37] <tatai> Thanks a lot. Being a novice, such things are completely unfamiliar to me. I will be sure to read on it.
[05:38] <nova> so the question is if its wanted or unwanted behavior...with vlc you have precisions down to a single frame, but that frame might not look right until the next complete frame occurs
[05:39] <nova> basically think of an i frame as a complete picture, then imagne if the next several frams only store information about what has changed on the screen
[05:39] <nova> if the camera is in a fixed position...then the codec only needs to store the parts that have moved or changed alot
[05:39] <tatai> Ohhh, now I understand.
[05:39] <tatai> You are exactly right.
[05:40] <tatai> Usually the pixelated graphics does not get corrrected until there is a change in the camera angle.
[05:41] <tatai> So the first frame in the new camera angle is serving as a reference point....right?
[05:42] <tatai> nova: 11:09 AM <tatai> You are exactly right.
[05:42] <nova> yes a drastic change in the scene will trigger a key or i frame early
[05:43] <tatai> nova: 11:11 AM <tatai> So the first frame in the new camera angle is serving as a reference point....right?
[05:43] <nova> they will ahppen at a set interval or when there is enough of a change in the scene
[05:43] <nova> so perhaps every 60 frame or if there is a camera change
[05:43] <tatai> Okay....now I understand this much much better.
[05:44] <nova> you might notice different file formats behave a little differently
[05:44] <tatai> Yes, that is also correct.
[05:44] <nova> the questio is if theres a way to have vlc skip only to the nearest i frame
[05:45] <tatai> .avi 's are a little sluggish on vlc on jumping
[05:47] <emptyflask> (new xubuntu 18.04 installation) I'm wondering what's going on with ANSI colors in my terminal... I've got TERM=xterm-color, set force_color_prompt=yes, etc. https://imgur.com/a/WZe3B8e
[05:48] <nova> oh...wow your prompt is not looking right
[05:49] <nova> i did a fresh 18.04 install and did not need to change anythign to get colors in my terminal
[05:50] <nova> you did this in .bashrc i assume
[05:50] <emptyflask> well, tried in bash & zsh
[05:51] <nova> did you not have a colored prompt to begin with?
[05:52] <emptyflask> no, and I get the same results setting PS1 under root
[05:53] <emptyflask> weirdly, `echo -e "\033[31;1;4mHello\033[0m"` works as expected
[05:53] <nova> i dont know what zsh and ps1 are im afraid
[05:53] <emptyflask> ah. PS1 being the environment variable that holds the prompt string
[05:54] <nova> are you using xfce4-terminal?
[05:54] <nova> well you seem to have colors its just your prompt is all mangled
[05:56] <nova> mine just worked out of the box, heres my unmodified .bashrc  https://pastebin.com/Hn6TW6zE
[05:56] <nova> i use the stock terminal, and set the colors in the GUI
[05:57] <nova> in the presets i dont see xterm-color i see only XTerm
[06:09] <nova> emptyflask, https://pasteboard.co/Hoi8Hhj.png
[06:10] <nova> it seems strange that ill of your folders show a forward slash at the end
[06:10] <nova> all*
[06:10] <emptyflask> hmm, I'm able to set a color prompt using `PS1="$(tput setaf 2)$ $(tput sgr0)"`
[06:11] <tatai> Have a good day everyone.
[06:16] <well_laid_lawn> PS1='\n\[\033[0;33m\]\D{%l:%M:%S %P}\n\[\033[01;34m\] [ \[\033[01;37m\]\W\[\033[01;34m\] ]\[\033[1;33m\]$\n\342\224\224\342\224\200\342\224\200\342\225\274\[\033[00m\] '
[06:19] <nova> yikes
[06:19] <emptyflask> I've probably just screwed up my dotfiles by importing bash/zsh stuff from my macos config. setting force_color_prompt on a fresh user account works fine
[06:19] <nova> but you still had to set it?
[06:20] <emptyflask> yeah, it's commented out by default
[06:20] <nova> i get a colored prompt with it commented out
[06:21] <nova> i have this: #force_color_prompt=yes
[06:22] <emptyflask> this is my usual monstrosity: PS1='\[\e]0;\w\a\]\n\[\e[0;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[0;30m\]:\[\e[1;32m\]\w\[\e[0m\] \[\033[1;30m\]$(get_git_prompt)\[\e[0m\]\n\$ '
[06:22] <emptyflask> (requires a get_git_prompt function)
[11:41] <cr1mson_king> Hello. I'm trying to enable natural scrolling through Xfce's Mouse and Touchpad settings, but some apps ignore the change and keep scrolling with the default behavior.
[11:41] <pmjdebru1jn> presumably non-GTK apps?
[11:41]  * pmjdebru1jn is just guessing
[11:42] <cr1mson_king> pmjdebru1jn, for example, Thunar works with natural scrolling, but GNOME Software doesn't.


[16:04] <soee> nvidia-settings package shouldn't be in version sync with driver ?
[16:05] <mamarley> soee: What is out-of-sync?  I think we have 361.28 uploaded for all supported distros.
[16:07] <soee> mamarley: no no, i'm talking about situation like this if we have installed for example driver 358 but repository contains also driver 361 than nvidia-settings 361 will be installed not 358
[16:07] <mamarley> That's fine.  New nvidia-settings versions work just fine with old drivers.
[16:08] <soee> ah, that explain all. thank you
[16:12] <tjaalton> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-x/+archive/ubuntu/vulkan/+packages
[16:24] <soee> uh, driver 358 does not work on Xenial, just a black screen after plymouth
[16:28] <soee> and now the same with 361, i broke something
[19:14] <soee> mamarley: ping


[06:14] <nixternal> hey, I would like to create a "Welcome to Kubuntu" wiki page that will act like a one-stop shop that we can also link to in #kubuntu in order to shrink down that massive topic. That or fix /Kubuntu up a little bit. Comments?
[06:21] <freeflying> nixternal: cool :)
[06:21] <nixternal> there is one :)
[06:21] <jsgotangco> should work nicely too
[06:22] <nixternal> oh man, they just come out of the wood work around here ;p
[06:22] <nixternal> jsgotangco: Chicago is actually having a nice 2 day open source event for once
[06:22] <nixternal> this weekend. I am being urged to talk, however Chris DiBona and Mike Brown are talking, impossible for me to follow that act
[06:23] <jsgotangco> why not
[06:23] <jsgotangco> just say a few words or something
[06:44] <crimsun> nixternal: err, you're in an excellent position to speak about open source
[06:44] <nixternal> I sit on IRC all day, how is that an excellent position ;)
[06:44] <crimsun> speak about your doc work with edubuntu and kubuntu
[06:45] <crimsun> you're part of the doc team for arguably the most popular distro(s) ever
[06:45] <nixternal> about time someone realizes that Kubuntu is the most popular :)
[06:45] <crimsun> I'd say that despite their pedigrees, they have nothing to your actual involvement
[06:45] <nixternal> ya, it definitely won't be the first time for sure, but that is a powerful lineup
[06:46] <nixternal> so I shouldn't talk about my mad packaging skills then :)
[06:46] <crimsun> people will remember your enthusiasm far longer than they will your place in the speaking lineup
[06:47] <nixternal> crimsun: and lets not forget that I am also apart of KDE now as well, which is w/o a doubt teh greatest DE in the world!
[06:47] <nixternal> we are doing distro-wars as well. There will be Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu, and Kubuntu going against SUSE, Fedora, and Linspire. That should be easy
[06:48] <nixternal> the entire Chicago group is going, about 20 deep to win that battle
[06:51] <giangy> 'morning guy
[06:51] <giangy> +s
[07:00] <manchicken_> Does anybody know why libmjs-dev conflicts with libnss3, firefox, and evolution?
[07:09] <manchicken_> yuriy: I'm gonna look at bug #62475 really quick.
[07:09] <ubotu> Malone bug 62475 in adept "view menu disabled" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/62475
[07:09] <manchicken_> I haven't been able to pay attention to free software work lately.  Sorry I've been so absent.  heh
[07:21] <nixternal> no excuses please ;p
[07:44] <manchicken_> Nice.
[07:44] <manchicken_> Quiet you!  I just submitted a patch ;)
[07:50] <manchicken_> And I may submit a second one.
[07:50] <manchicken_> :P
[08:04] <manchicken_> nixternal: There.  I've submitted two patches tonight.  Consider yourself silenced ;)
[08:04] <manchicken_> With that, I do believe I'll crash for the night.
[08:05] <manchicken_> Nighty night.
[09:52] <asyd> "/S 12
[09:53] <asyd> oups
[10:00] <Hobbsee> basket done.  yay :)
[10:00] <apokryphos> basket's awesome 8)
[10:00] <Hobbsee> it is :D
[10:00] <Hobbsee> and this version fixes major crashers
[10:01] <apokryphos> ubotu: info basket
[10:01] <ubotu> basket: User-friendly way to run programs and manage links in KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-6 (edgy), package size 334 kB, installed size 1176 kB
[10:01] <apokryphos> ubotu: info basket feisty
[10:01] <ubotu> basket: a multi-purpose note-taking application for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-1 (feisty), package size 4797 kB, installed size 7360 kB
[10:01] <apokryphos> yeah, the guy started adding features waaay too fast and it picked up loads of crashes. Pretty good these days though :D
[10:02] <apokryphos> I deluded myself thinking into it would be _the_ app for my revision, but it did at least help a lot with note-taking from different texts
[10:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:03] <Hobbsee> it's not bad - i dont think iv'e fully "gotten" it yet -but i'm getting there
[10:03] <Hobbsee> keep discovering neat bits that i use - makes a great todo list
[10:04] <apokryphos> yeah; it's still got so many features though; fortunately things you won't use don't get in your way at all
[10:04] <apokryphos> I think he's the same developer that's working on kirocker
[10:05] <apokryphos> which is also great 8)
[10:43] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: ack'd.  will be done on archive day
[10:54] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: eh?
[10:54] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: the sync request, sorry
[10:54] <Hobbsee> for 1.0.1 for feisty
[10:54] <apokryphos> ah, I see
[10:56] <_StefanS_> hey Hobbsee
[10:57] <Hobbsee> hi _StefanS_ :)
[11:07] <kwwii> when you resize a window with the mouse it resizes in both directions
[11:08] <Hobbsee> neat
[11:08] <kwwii> so when I grab the side of a window and make it bigger it gets bigger not only on the side you grabbed, but also on the opposite side
[11:08] <kwwii> so it does scale, just not as one would expect
[11:10] <Hobbsee> fun
[11:11] <apachelogger> kwwii: not sure whether this is a bug
[11:11] <apachelogger> happens with beryl as well IIRC
[11:12] <kwwii> apachelogger: yeah, I am running compiz
[11:12] <apokryphos> same issue with kwin?
[11:16] <apachelogger> anyone knows how to set the mail address 'dch' is using?
[11:18] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: in .bashrc
[11:20] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: thx
[12:28] <Jucato> :D
[12:28] <Jucato> lol
[12:28] <greeneggsandham> hahaha
[12:29] <giangy> yawn
[12:29] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: :P
[12:29] <Jucato> @schedule
[12:29] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 03 Apr 11:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 15:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 18:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 12:00: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Apr 20:00: Technical Board
[12:30] <jsgotangco> spa?
[12:30] <Jucato> what's the trigger again to show the meetings schedule in local time?
[12:30] <jsgotangco> not bad combo
[12:30] <jsgotangco> @schedule foo
[12:30] <purpleeggsandham> freenode nick limit
[12:30] <giangy> I'm preparing an 8-pages article about KDE 4 for an Italian Linux magazine, hooray \o/ :)
[12:31] <DoomStick> there.
[12:33] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[12:33] <jsgotangco> i should think of something better
[12:39] <Jucato> :D
[12:39] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: heh.  Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  is taken
[12:40] <jsgotangco> ha ha ha
[12:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: how was Zagreb?
[12:46] <Jucato> hi Tonio_, hi Riddell!
[12:46] <Jucato> CC meeting in 15 minutes?
[12:47] <Hobbsee> Jucato: seems so
[12:48] <Jucato> Hobbsee: does the CC meeting include ubuntu members that got accepted through the KCC? (like me?)
[12:48] <Riddell> it's open to anyone
[12:48] <Jucato> ah ok :)
[12:48] <Riddell> anything on the agenda we should care about?
[12:49] <Hobbsee> Jucato: but they're not going to ack you for membership again, or anything
[12:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: world domination.  if it's nto there, i'll add it by osmosis
[12:49] <Jucato> oh nothing. just wondering what happened to jsgotangco's nomination :D
[12:49] <jsgotangco> hrmmm?
[12:49] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco's a member, isnt he?
[12:50] <Jucato> I mean nominated to the council... whatever you call it :D
[12:52] <jsgotangco> ahh that, perhaps its just waiting for launchpad 2.0
[12:53] <jsgotangco> or LP Reloaded whatever its called now
[12:53] <jsgotangco> oh wait LP isn't even on 1.0
[12:53] <jsgotangco> is it?
[12:53] <Jucato> :)
[12:54] <Hobbsee> it is now, yes
[12:54] <Hobbsee> iirc
[12:54] <Hobbsee> oh yes,
[12:54] <Hobbsee> that, then
[12:56] <Jucato> ooh apokryphos is finally going to be a member :)
[12:58] <kwwii_> Riddell: ping?
[12:59] <Riddell> hi kwwii
[01:00] <ded_> in kdevelop how to regenerate dialog underclass from qt ui without delete implemented slot?
[01:00] <kwwii> Riddell: I am working on the example-content stuff (oo-presenting-kubuntu.odp)... who can tell me the "highlights" of Feisty
[01:00] <kwwii> or do we want to remove that slide?
[01:01] <Tonio__> hey kwwii
[01:01] <kwwii> hi Tonio__
[01:02] <Riddell> kwwii: pick whatever jumps out at your from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Beta/Kubuntu and the previous herd pages
[01:02] <kwwii> Riddell: great, will do...thanks :-)
[01:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: no tips for k3b, be happy :)
[01:02] <Riddell> yay
[01:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll review yury's mail for bgs with solutions posted
[01:04] <Riddell> bgs?
[01:04] <Tonio_> bugs
[01:05] <Hobbsee> bugs that are decreasing in size, hence have less letters.
[01:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just have sometimes problems with the macbook keyboard :)
[01:06] <Tonio_> missing some letters since the keys are not exactly at the same place
[01:06] <Tonio_> ;)
[01:22] <Tonio_> are we in freeze atm ?
[01:25] <Riddell> no
[01:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: great, let's go then
[01:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I also removed the multimedia things from k3b, it is now nativelly supported
[01:27] <Tonio_> with konqueror integration and everything
[02:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/74262
[02:10] <ubotu> Malone bug 74262 in adept "Two "Manage Repositories" entries under different menus in Adept Manager" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[02:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: patch looks to fix this, are you okay so that I can upload this ?
[02:11] <Tonio_> I don't see any reason that we have duplicate entry...
[02:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: unless that's your decision :)
[02:13] <asyd> hello Tonio_
[02:14] <Tonio_> hi asyd :)
[02:14] <Tonio_> asyd: as announced, someone had to shake me up in the train when arrived orlans :)
[02:16] <asyd> ahahah
[02:20] <Tonio_> asyd: you may have seen that in my eyes
[02:20] <Tonio_> "reguard bovin" mode :)
[02:28] <Tonio_> lots of patches to merge from launchpad
[02:30] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[02:30] <giangy> wey Tonio_ :)
[02:30] <Tonio_> hi giangy ;)
[02:31] <dandel> hello hobbsee.
[02:32] <Hobbsee> hi dandel
[02:33] <dandel> hobbsee, you got the recent qt update right?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> dont know, havent looked
[02:33] <dandel> ah, well there is an updated version of that now.
[02:34] <asyd> 15
[02:34] <asyd> oups
[02:34] <Hobbsee> right
[02:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was looking at bug 90445
[02:53] <ubotu> Malone bug 90445 in pbbuttonsd "powerprefs problems with touchpad "tap" and function key settings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90445
[02:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: that requires a patch to be applied to HAL (see bug 90451)
[02:53] <ubotu> Malone bug 90451 in hal "Add Tablet PC support (patch included)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90451
[02:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'd like to go with this, what's your opinion ?
[02:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll ping pitti
[03:01] <giangy> Tonio_: http://blog.fubar.dk/?p=86 (have you read it?)
[03:01] <Tonio_> giangy: not yet, gimme a moment :)
[03:02] <giangy> np
[03:02] <Tonio_> giangy: interesting :)
[03:02] <Tonio_> giangy: I'll ping pitti who is in change of hal
[03:02] <Tonio_> giangy: would be nice to improve tablet pc support according to what opensuse does...
[03:03] <Tonio_> giangy: but I won't do the hal part without pitti's approval... then I'll do the kdebase/libs part
[03:03] <giangy> the maintainer seems to be pitti
[03:03] <giangy> Tonio_: is awesome if the taplet pc support works :)
[03:03] <giangy> *tablet
[03:04] <Tonio_> of course it os
[03:04] <Tonio_> s/os/is
[03:04] <Tonio_> giangy: I'm just affraid that'll eventually break the feature freeze....
[03:04] <Tonio_> technically that's a new feature, not a bugfix
[03:04] <giangy> mh, true
[03:05] <giangy> better to wait pitti :))
[03:06] <Tonio_> giangy: yep
[03:06] <Tonio_> giangy: good point is that I thik I think we can go with this as no risk
[03:06] <Tonio_> giangy: that's been widelly tested at suse side so......
[03:08] <giangy> wait :)
[03:08] <Tonio_> giangy: yeah, that's to do before pitti comes back :)
[03:08] <jeroenvrp> k3b-i18n (0.12.17-2)
[03:08] <Tonio_> giangy: I have other fixes to review
[03:08] <jeroenvrp> that one is not needed anymore
[03:08] <Tonio_> giangy: will you be there when I ask pitti ?
[03:09] <giangy> Tonio_: I think yes
[03:09] <Tonio_> giangy: cool
[03:10] <giangy> Tonio_: nothing about.
[03:11] <giangy> Tonio_: the only is related to Qt3 tablet support that was/is missing, but related to Suse only. ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=253392 )
[03:11] <ubotu> Novell bug 253392 in Other "qt3 tablet support missing" [Normal,Needinfo]
[03:12] <Tonio_> giangy: there are also patches for kdebase/libs against this
[03:12] <giangy> our qt-package contains tablet support?
[03:12] <Tonio_> giangy: no but our kde packages can do so
[03:12] <Tonio_> giangy: only thing is that I need hal to be patched first to test those
[03:13] <Tonio_> giangy: therefore I don't want to waste time testing if patching hal is to late
[03:13] <giangy> ah okey
[03:13] <giangy> now I understand :)
[03:21] <giangy> mh, I have to edit http://k3b.plainblack.com/download on the Kubuntu section (at least update the branch that contains the latest packages -> feisty)
[03:22] <giangy> for the Maintainer field what can I insert? (Ubuntu Core Developers ? or some names?)
[03:24] <Riddell> giangy: Ubuntu Core Developers or Kubuntu Members
[03:24] <giangy> ok
[03:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: what do you suggest about the "repo manager" link in adept menus ?
[03:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: should I patch to remove it from "view" ?
[03:35] <giangy> btw guys, I have to say that after 7-8 days that I'm staying here in channel I very like the kubuntu team :)
[03:35] <Tonio_> giangy: thanks ;)
[03:35] <Tonio_> giangy: you have been very appreciated too :)
[03:35] <giangy> heh thanks :))
[03:35] <Tonio_> ;)
[03:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: that whole view menu can go
[03:36] <Tonio_> hum okay, let's patch then !
[03:36] <giangy> but I'm (was..) working in the Slackware packaging team but now is the time to search other places.
[03:36] <Tonio_> giangy: hehe :)
[03:37] <Tonio_> giangy: yes I saw you where the k3b maintainer in slack
[03:37] <Tonio_> giangy: well we need packagers for kde apps, so if you have time......... I'd be glad to help you with the specifics of debian/kde packaging if you want
[03:38] <giangy> well, I tried.. but behind Slackware there is *one man*, *one decision*, this breaks my balls.
[03:38] <Tonio_> giangy: hum, I can understand this
[03:38] <giangy> Tonio_: well, I have time, but I don't know any debian packaging specifics, I have to read something about (hint for myself: google is my friend :>)
[03:38] <Tonio_> giangy: we here are your friends too :)
[03:39] <Tonio_> no rtfm here
[03:39] <giangy> oki
[03:43] <Tonio_> giangy: ust ask if you have questions
[03:44] <Tonio_> giangy: aknowledged people are more efficient than google at some points
[03:44] <giangy> Tonio_: ok, I have to finish an article about KDE4 and I'll start to read something about :)
[03:45] <imbrandon> moins all
[03:45] <Tonio_> giangy: sure
[03:45] <Tonio_> hi mr brandon
[03:45] <imbrandon> heya papa
[03:45] <imbrandon> :)
[03:45] <Tonio_> imbrandon: not yet :'(
[03:45] <Tonio_> unfortunately
[03:45] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:45] <Tonio_> gf comes back today, so maybe tomorrow I'll be a potential papa :)
[03:46] <giangy> gh
[03:46] <imbrandon> sounds like a good plan :)
[03:46] <Tonio_> depends the amount of bugs to fix lol
[03:46] <imbrandon> lol
[03:46] <imbrandon> gf> bugs
[03:46] <Tonio_> imbrandon: obsously yes :)
[03:46] <Tonio_> obviously
[03:46] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:53] <Hobbsee> damn thing just freezes most of the time, when the kill switch isnt enabled on my 3945 wifi card.
[04:06] <bddebian> Morning
[04:06] <Tm_T> moin
[04:09] <Hobbsee> right.  we have edgy
[04:25] <manchicken> WHY does amarok have their lists.sf.net email address hard-coded into amarok crashes if it isn't working?
[04:26] <vprints> Good afternoon!
[04:26] <manchicken> nowdy
[04:26] <manchicken> howdy*
[04:26] <manchicken> Goodness, that was a bad typo.
[04:26] <manchicken> Riddell: Dionne Wheeler got back to me on travel stuff.
[04:26] <Hobbsee> manchicken: yay, lucky
[04:26] <manchicken> Riddell: Does she handle hotel accommodations as well?
[04:27] <manchicken> Hobbsee: My passport is pretty :)
[04:27] <Hobbsee> manchicken: mine's terrible - i'm not using that as a form of ID more than i have to!
[04:27] <vprints> Is there any specific reason why does firefox use Kghostview instead of Kpdf ?
[04:27] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Mine has all sorts of pretty colors and holograms and such.
[04:27] <Hobbsee> neat
[04:28] <manchicken> vprints: Is there any specific reason why you're using firefox instead of konqueror? :P
[04:28] <manchicken> heh
[04:28] <vprints> ye, it is familiar for people i convert from windows
[04:29] <Hobbsee> vprints: we dont set that.  is kghostview regarded as the default pdf app?
[04:30] <Riddell> manchicken: no, canonical books the hotel
[04:31] <manchicken> Riddell: Okay.  If I go through Dionne Wheeler, does Canonical directly handle the bill for the flight?
[04:32] <vprints> kpdf is the default, but not for firefox
[04:32] <Jucato> about:config or something...
[04:32] <vprints> firefox still uses kghostview
[04:33] <vprints> i think it should be changed generally to use kpdf
[04:33] <vprints> because kghostview fails to show previews of pages
[04:33] <Hobbsee> vprints: afaik, we dont actually set the firefox preffered apps
[04:33] <manchicken> vprints: Konq is pretty darn easy to pick up.
[04:34] <vprints> ok, sorry i asked
[04:34] <Hobbsee> last i saw, anyway
[04:41] <kwwii> Tonio_: if you're busy fixing bugs, let me know and I'll take care of your other duties :p
[04:43] <kwwii> manchicken: yes, if you do it that way they will pay for it directly
[04:44] <Tonio_> kwwii: sure :)
[04:44] <Tonio_> kwwii: I fixed the font size on kdm
[04:44] <kwwii> Tonio_: what was the problem with the font?
[04:44] <Tonio_> kwwii: as you know french is the language with largest words, so it might be okay for everyone now
[04:44] <kwwii> hehe
[04:44] <kwwii> cool
[04:44] <Tonio_> kwwii: too large...
[04:44] <kwwii> line wrapping
[04:44] <Tonio_> I changes from 12 to 11
[04:44] <Tonio_> kwwii: exactly
[04:45] <Tonio_> I have to go for a moment, brb
[04:47] <Hobbsee> oh, spain details here too
[04:51] <claydoh> I am in a foul mood today
[04:51] <claydoh> oops oops
[04:51] <claydoh> sorry
[04:51] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:51] <claydoh> not meant for here
[04:53] <Jucato> :)
[04:53] <LongPointyStick> kde black looks quite nice
[04:53] <LongPointyStick> heh
[04:53] <Jucato> :)
[04:53] <Jucato> goodnight LongPointyStick/Hobbsee
[04:53] <claydoh> Jucato: I would *never* let it show here, in public so to speak
[04:53] <LongPointyStick> :)
[04:54] <claydoh> night LongPointyStick\
[04:54] <Jucato> ah
[04:55] <LongPointyStick> ahh
[04:55] <Jucato> ??
[04:56] <LongPointyStick> a month till spain :)
[04:56] <Jucato> aah :)
[04:56] <Jucato> the next one will be in Boston right? :D
[04:56] <LongPointyStick> :)
[04:57] <LongPointyStick> yeah
[04:57] <Jucato> aw... :(
[04:57] <Jucato> anyway, let me not keep you from your beauty sleep :P
[04:58] <LongPointyStick> why wouldnt you be?
[04:58] <Jucato> hm... dunno... the future is always uncertain :)
[04:58] <Jucato> I might be on Windows... :D
[04:59] <LongPointyStick> heh
[04:59] <Jucato> and if (only if) I do... I will always be doing Kubuntu work :)
[05:03] <Tm_T> my eyes...
[05:03] <LongPointyStick> :)
[05:03] <Tm_T> it really does take some time before eyes gets used to it
[05:04] <LongPointyStick> heh, yes.
[05:04] <LongPointyStick> you had none before?
[05:23] <apokryphos> Riddell: I see irssi have that old ban problem you were talking about in their faq, btw: http://irssi.org/documentation/faq
[05:23] <Jucato> hi apokryphos!! how did the membership go? :)
[05:24] <apokryphos> Jucato: I completely forgot it was today, actually :o
[05:24] <apokryphos> pictured it some time further in the future 8). Hopefully I'll be around next time..
[05:24] <Jucato> oh... :P
[05:26] <Riddell> apokryphos: interesting
[05:26] <Riddell> if not very enlightening
[05:27] <apokryphos> 'people say they have this, I'm guessing what it would be, but we don't know why it happens' :P
[05:46] <ded_> hi is there somone who know if there is a soft to install a packet in beta without destroy the system if it is bad
[05:47] <DaSkreech> ded_: Sorry?
[05:47] <DaSkreech> ded_: You want to install something without harming your system?
[05:47] <ded_> DaSkreech: excuse my english
[05:47] <DaSkreech> ded_: I figured ;-)
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Is that correct though?
[05:47] <ded_> harming ?
[05:48] <ded_> i did nt understand
[05:48] <Jucato> apt-get with the -s (simulate) switch?
[05:48] <DaSkreech> ded_: Which packet in beta do you want to install?
[05:49] <ded_> in reality this is not for beta packet
[05:49] <DaSkreech> ah What is it for?
[05:49] <ded_> this is rmp packets transform whith alien
[05:49] <ded_> in deb
[05:49] <DaSkreech> ok
[05:50] <ded_> but i don't want to destroy system if they are bad
[05:50] <DaSkreech> For which program?
[05:50] <ded_> this is for develop a prog doing this automatiquely
[05:51] <DaSkreech> :-) Wouldn't it be easier to make a deb?
[05:51] <ded_> yes i make deb from rpm
[05:52] <DaSkreech> No make a deb from the source code :)
[05:52] <ded_> all right but this is for install packet found on the web
[05:52] <DaSkreech> Which packet?
[05:52] <ded_> everyone
[05:53] <DaSkreech> What is it's name?
[05:53] <ded_> not one in particular
[05:56] <ded_> i am developing on kedevelop a prog for installing local package
[05:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: would be nice if you could upload these changes http://aplg.kollide.net/debdiff_amarok_1.4.5-6to7.diff
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Ah
[05:56] <DaSkreech> !chroot
[05:56] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[05:57] <DaSkreech> ded_: Read that. It will give you a way to test without hurting your system
[06:01] <ded_> thanks i will do it
[06:48] <manchicken> What is IB?  A Train or an airline?
[06:58] <Tm_T> hmmh, shame, I think I cancel my aKademy plans from this year
[06:58] <Tm_T> that means have to be ready next year :)
[06:59] <claydoh> manchicken: probably Iberia Airlines, if it's Spain yer looking at
[07:07] <manchicken> Yeah.
[07:07] <manchicken> Okay.  cool.
[07:13] <Lure> alleeEdgy32_: ping
[07:27] <kwwii> Riddell: the example-content package has been updated - you might want to check it out to see if I missed anything or if we should add anything
[07:29] <nixternal> someone told me I was violating the CoC and bashing/disrespecting Microsoft on my blog.   How unamerican.
[07:47] <nixternal> I am sorry Lord Ballmer
[07:47] <manchicken> That's better.
[07:47] <manchicken> Now scream excitedly in line to buy an autographed copy of Vista!
[07:48] <nixternal> Gates I can somewhat respect as he wasn't *as* dirty as Ballmer, plus he does distribute a lot of money to underfunded educational centers around the world
[07:48] <nixternal> I respect that
[07:48] <manchicken> Totally.
[07:48] <nixternal> manchicken: umm, can't do that one now
[07:48] <nixternal> although the bookstore here on campus has Vista on sale
[07:48] <manchicken> But he also undermines their freedom.  And I think he should be held accountable for that.
[07:49] <nixternal> I asked how many they have sold in the 2 months they have been on the shelf, and they said 1
[07:49] <manchicken> My new employer had a Vista OEM machine shipped to me for use in testing.
[07:49] <nixternal> I will admit though, Vista packaging is very nice, so Microsoft's marketing team was working hard for this one
[07:49] <manchicken> It'll sit in the box for a little while.
[07:50] <nixternal> tell you new employer they need documentation experts (doxygen and docbook/xml/sgml), hell I can even do some C++, or Marketing or Management
[07:50] <manchicken> heh
[07:51] <nixternal> soon I will learn Java, c#, ASP (eww), more C++, oh and I am doing my Qt books as well, which makes writing KDE stuff way easier than say, using the STL
[07:52] <nixternal> forgot about Python and PyQt
[07:52] <nixternal> although my Python books refer to GTK quite a bit
[07:53] <fdoving> don't forget lisp :)
[07:54] <nixternal> fdoving: please no more. I have played around with that and ocaml because the glug guys in Chicago always talk about it
[07:54] <nixternal> those will come later when I have spare time on my hands. oh wait, I already do ;o
[07:58] <fdoving> nixternal: http://norvig.com/21-days.html and http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html are good.
[07:58] <nixternal> haha, teach yourself programming in 10 years
[07:59] <fdoving> read it all :)
[08:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: the changelog mentions kio but I don't see anything else in the diff about kio
[08:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: description of package amarok was talking about playback support from kio
[08:03] <apachelogger> though that only worked for arts
[08:03] <apachelogger> and xine is still working on kio support
[08:05] <nixternal> man, this is some good reading
[08:08] <mhb> good evening folks
[08:15] <fdoving> are there any remote chances to get new upstream versions of packages into feisty at this time?
[08:15] <fdoving> universe, that is.
[08:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh, I see it
[08:16] <apachelogger> :)
[08:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: uploaded
[08:16] <apachelogger> thx
[08:18] <Lure> fdoving: yes. mailody?
[08:19] <fdoving> Lure: that's what i have in mind, yes.
[08:19] <fdoving> 0.5.0 have huge improvements.
[08:19] <Lure> fdoving: it might  be good to poke in #ubuntu-motu first just to have some hope
[08:19] <Riddell> fdoving: possibly, if you're fast
[08:19] <Riddell> yes
[08:19] <nixternal> fdoving: has it moved out of playground yet?
[08:19] <fdoving> nixternal: no, not yet. i belive the process is ongoing.
[08:19] <Lure> fdoving: I am just doing digikam-doc UVFe, but this is documentation only
[08:20] <fdoving> Lure: ok.
[08:20] <nixternal> ahh, OK, and then you or toma will get it tagged and rock-and-rollin' I take it :)
[08:24] <Lure> fdoving: will you prepare the package?
[08:25] <fdoving> Lure: yes.
[08:28] <Lure> fdoving: ok, you can ping me if you need upload
[08:29] <fdoving> Lure: mailody is actually in incoming.debian.org, can one request syncs at this time?
[08:29] <\sh> cd12vf34
[08:29] <\sh> argl
[08:29] <Lure> fdoving: yep, just fill in bug and reference what to sync
[08:30] <Lure> fdoving: when you get +1 for UVFe, just susbcribe archive-admin to process the sync
[08:30] <fdoving> so it's no difference from a normal sync from debian, just an UVF-sync.
[08:30] <fdoving> thanks.
[08:30] <fdoving> i'll go make the debdiffs etc.
[08:31] <Lure> fdoving: nope, just need to get from incoming to unstable/expiremental to be able to request sync
[08:32] <fdoving> Lure: yes, i'll fetch the package anyhow, so if it doesn't make it i'll just have it uploaded with an ubuntu version, doesn't matter that much, it's a pretty simple package and we keep track of it pretty well.
[08:32] <Lure> fdoving: yep, just write in bug that is already in incoming and that sync may be possible
[08:33] <Tonio_> hum no pitti arround......
[08:41] <yuriy> hey Tonio_
[08:41] <Tonio_> yuriy: ;)
[08:42] <Tonio_> yuriy: thanks for the nice bug triage, that helps a lot
[08:42] <Tonio_> yuriy: everything okay except the hal and tablet pc stuff
[08:42] <yuriy> Tonio_: the patch to bug 47312 as is isn't violating string freeze?
[08:42] <ubotu> Malone bug 47312 in kdebase "Message partially hidden in "File Sharing"" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47312
[08:42] <Tonio_> yuriy: no
[08:42] <Tonio_> yuriy: that's not a new string
[08:42] <Tonio_> yuriy: just reuse of reexisting one
[08:42] <yuriy> Tonio_: the message box part
[08:42] <yuriy> oh
[08:42] <yuriy> ok : )
[08:43] <Tonio_> yuriy: not a problem in that case
[08:44] <yuriy> hmm i need to find some bugs i can fix. then figure out this debdiff thing...again
[08:49] <\sh> Tonio_: dude, I just managed to get holidays, for linuxtag :)
[08:50] <Tonio_> \sh: ho nice :)
[08:50] <Tonio_> \sh: the point is I'm unsure I can be there....
[08:51] <Tonio_> \sh: I may have a new job very soon....
[08:51] <Tonio_> and I'll already have to negociate for the uds
[08:51] <\sh> Tonio_: well, I'll be there for kubuntu/ubuntu and for FAI
[08:51] <Tonio_> \sh: maybe I can come for the WE
[08:51] <\sh> and at some stage also for lpi ;)
[08:51] <Tonio_> \sh: very nice :)
[08:52] <Tonio_> yuriy: if you manage to debdiff yourself, would be nice, just ping me for review and upload
[09:01] <yuriy> Tonio_: did i understand right, you removed the view menu from adept?
[09:03] <manchicken> Okay, so does anybody have any idea why libsmjs-dev conflicts with evolution, firefox, libnss3, etc?
[09:04] <yuriy> !info libsmjs-dev
[09:04] <Tonio_> yuriy: yes
[09:04] <ubotu> libsmjs-dev: Migration package for the Mozilla SpiderMonkey JavaScript library. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-4.2 (edgy), package size 31 kB, installed size 92 kB
[09:05] <yuriy> "This package exists solely for the purpose of migrating from the old package naming to the new one."
[09:05] <yuriy> Tonio_: but didn't manchicken fix the show last dpkg view option?
[09:05] <manchicken> Okay, so what package holds jsapi.h these days?
[09:06] <manchicken> Tonio_: I submitted a patch for that last night.
[09:06] <Tonio_> manchicken: yes but we discussed with Riddell and well.... that's not very usefull
[09:06] <manchicken> That depends whether or not the last dpkg run was successful or not.
[09:06] <Tonio_> honnestly the people interested in show last dpkg action are using apt-get in the shell....
[09:07] <Tonio_> hum, let's consider it works then :)
[09:07] <manchicken> If it failed to install something then the last dpkg run thing is useful.
[09:07] <yuriy> there's a bug somewhere requesting that option..
[09:07] <Tonio_> manchicken: better ask Riddell his plan, I wanted to use your patch and he told me to remove the menu, so.......
[09:07] <Tonio_> :)
[09:07] <yuriy> i think it's useful just because adept has a tendency to show that "something went wrong" message and not tell you anything else
[09:08] <manchicken> Tonio_: heh
[09:08] <yuriy> so it's a workaround of sorts
[09:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: your opinion ?
[09:10] <Riddell> what are we talking about?
[09:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: you told me remove the all "view" menuj in adept, which I did
[09:11] <manchicken> My view menu patch
[09:11] <Tonio_> but looks like some of the option are interesting to keep
[09:11] <Riddell> best keep them then
[09:11] <yuriy> manchicken: the show list option in there wasn't working either right? that needs to be fixed too if the menu is to go back
[09:11] <manchicken> show list?
[09:11] <Tonio_> hum okay
[09:11] <yuriy> i think that's what else was in there.. there were 4 options iirc
[09:12] <Tonio_> manchicken: will reupload with your patch toonight, and only keep access to the repos management in the "adept" menu
[09:12] <yuriy> one of them always said "show list" and was disabled. should probably be show list when in details view and show details when in list view
[09:12] <Riddell> more important is getting the list item arrow back
[09:15] <yuriy> Riddell: reject bug 92979 or change description according to your comment?
[09:15] <ubotu> Malone bug 92979 in adept "adept on kubuntu feisty manage repositories does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92979
[09:17] <manchicken> Okay...
[09:17] <manchicken> I'll focus on that then.
[09:17] <Riddell> yuriy: change description
[09:18] <yuriy> is the dist-upgrade tool in LP?
[09:19] <yuriy> bug 93677
[09:19] <ubotu> Malone bug 93677 in adept "adept-manager (v2.1 cruiser) shows weird message" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93677
[09:21] <Erunno> Good evening. Is it too late to ask for skipping the filesystem check on ext2/3 systems when a laptop is running on battery ?
[09:21] <Erunno> Gentoo did that too and it's really beneficial towards the lifespan of a battery ;-)
[09:25] <yuriy> manchicken: fix released for bug 80618?
[09:25] <ubotu> Malone bug 80618 in adept "adept-installer crashes when clicking next on 'there seems to be an update' dialog" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80618
[09:26] <manchicken> I believe so.
[09:26] <manchicken> I should go thank the LP team.
[09:27] <yuriy> Riddell: so is 92979 an adept or software-properties or sudo bug?
[09:29] <Majost> does anyone have the i386 daily iso for 20070327?
[09:29] <Majost> or perhaps a torrent file?
[09:30] <manchicken> yuriy: could you assign that on with the arrow missing from the adept display to me? I'll try to find the number.
[09:31] <yuriy> manchicken: woulda done it already if i could find it
[09:32] <yuriy> manchicken: want bug 68949?
[09:32] <ubotu> Malone bug 68949 in adept "Package descriptions are sometimes incorrect and do not match descriptions stored in the package database" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68949
[09:32] <manchicken> Ooh, I'm not sure I should say yes to that one.
[09:32] <manchicken> heh
[09:32] <manchicken> Riddell: Is there a bug posted for the expanding icon missing issue?
[09:33] <manchicken> yuriy: Do we know if 68949 is happening on feisty still?
[09:34] <yuriy> manchicken: how about bug 52461? that one _looks innocent enough
[09:34] <ubotu> Malone bug 52461 in adept "Fix expanding item description at bottom of table so it no longer expands out of view" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/52461
[09:34] <yuriy> manchicken: not for sure
[09:35] <manchicken> yuriy: That one (52461) seems like it could be done better by switching it to a scrollable widget...
[09:47] <Lure> Riddell, Tonio_: can you sponsor one bugfix upload for me: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/digikam.debdiff
[09:49] <manchicken> Does someone have the most up-to-date adept bzr branch?
[09:54] <Lure> interesting bug 102532 with k3b in gnome...
[09:54] <ubotu> Malone bug 102532 in Ubuntu "k3b does not run in gnome ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102532
[09:57] <manchicken> This is frustrating.  I can't figure out which package has jsapi.h in it.
[09:58] <fdoving> manchicken: doesn't packages.ubuntu.com help you?
[09:59] <manchicken> Let me try.
[09:59] <fdoving> firefox-dev, mozilla-thunderbird-dev, libmozjs-dev
[09:59] <Tonio_> Lure: will do toonight
[09:59] <manchicken> fdoving: Very nicely put RTFM :)  It's nice to know which documentation to go for :)
[10:00] <fdoving> !find jsapi.h
[10:00] <ubotu> File jsapi.h found in firefox-dev, libmozjs-dev, mozilla-dev, mozilla-thunderbird-dev, nvu-dev
[10:00] <fdoving> there you go, ubotu is smart :)
[10:00] <Tm_T> smarter than manchicken?
[10:01] <manchicken> Nice.
[10:01] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks
[10:04] <manchicken> !find jsobj.h
[10:04] <ubotu> File jsobj.h found in firefox-dev, libmozjs-dev, mozilla-dev, mozilla-thunderbird-dev, nvu-dev
[10:05] <manchicken> !find jsinterp.h
[10:05] <ubotu> File jsinterp.h found in firefox-dev, libmozjs-dev, mozilla-dev, mozilla-thunderbird-dev, nvu-dev
[10:06] <manchicken> Hmm...
[10:06] <manchicken> libmozjs-dev conflicts with the same things that libsmjs-dev did.....
[10:10] <DaSkreech> manchicken: New employer?
[10:10] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Yup.
[10:10] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Where have you been? :P
[10:10] <DaSkreech> Lunch
[10:16] <vprints> bug 102544
[10:16] <ubotu> Malone bug 102544 in kdegraphics "Firefox uses not fully functional Kghostview to open PDF's in KDE instead of the system default KPDF" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102544
[10:22] <ScottK> vprints: Why did you file that bug against kdegraphics?
[10:23] <vprints> cause it didn't let me to do that against kpdf nor kghostview
[10:23] <ScottK> But isn't the issue that Firefox is calling the 'wrong' application?
[10:25] <vprints> no, it is the mailcap entry of KPDF
[10:26] <vprints> mailcap value
[10:26] <ScottK> Ah. OK.  Thankns
[10:26] <ScottK> Thanks...
[10:27] <vprints> np
[10:29] <Riddell> yuriy: sudo
[10:39] <manchicken> Grumble...
[10:40] <manchicken> I'm just gonna work off of the deb-src adept package.
[10:41] <fdoving> where is the bzr branch? should i fetch it and tar it for you?
[10:43] <fdoving> Lure: i have a user in #kubuntu with special-key-problems. nick: 'jnowka' if you have anything special you want him to add to the bugreport.
[10:44] <fdoving> his 'enable touchpad button' launches khelpcenter.
[10:45] <Lure> fdoving: probably wrong mapping, we can follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuLaptopKeycodes
[10:45] <fdoving> ok.
[10:45] <Lure> fdoving: and LaptopTestingTeam/HotkeyResearch  for the keys that do not work
[10:46] <fdoving> great, thanks.
[10:49] <DaSkreech> Whoot Debtags work again :)
[11:16] <Tonio_> Lure: patching digikam, fyi
[11:17] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks
[11:25] <DaSkreech> hi jjesse
[11:30] <giangy> 'evening guys
[11:43] <Tonio_> manchicken: uploading adept with your changes
[11:43] <manchicken> Tonio_: Groovy.
[11:44] <Tonio_> manchicken: sorry for the misscomprehension :)
[11:44] <manchicken> Totally not a problem :)
[11:44] <Tonio_> is that correct ? misscomprehension ?
[11:44] <manchicken> So many moving pieces, I'm surprised this is the first misunderstanding of the sort with me :)
[11:44] <manchicken> Tonio_: Misunderstanding
[11:44] <Tonio_> okay ;)
[11:44] <manchicken> Both make sense.
[11:49] <manchicken> Automated testing rant: http://blog.notsosoft.net/
[11:53] <DaSkreech> manchicken: manchicken's house of hacking?
[11:53] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Yup.
[11:53] <DaSkreech> New job/
[11:53] <DaSkreech> ?
[11:54] <manchicken> Yup.
[11:54] <manchicken> You already asked that.
[11:54] <DaSkreech> No I asked if you had a new job
[11:54] <DaSkreech>  I didn't ask if the manchicken house of hacking was the new job
[11:55] <manchicken> Oh, nope.
[11:55] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Oh Welcome to the nut house
[11:55] <manchicken> Thanks.
[11:55] <jjesse> hi DaSkreech
[11:55] <jjesse> was out running
[11:55] <manchicken> The new job is actually just an old job, but better this time around :)
[11:55] <DaSkreech> the new job has nothing to do with your house of hacking?
[11:55] <DaSkreech> jjesse: :-)
[12:00] <DaSkreech> manchicken: So still doubleclick?
[12:00] <DaSkreech> Just ... faster?
[12:01] <DaSkreech> hey kwwii
[12:02] <kwwii> howdy DaSkreech
[12:02] <manchicken> No.
[12:02] <manchicken> Not doubleclick anymore.
[12:02] <manchicken> Back to DigitalWork.
[12:02] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Feisty got someone to switch from Ubuntu to Kubuntu cause it was so much prettier
[12:02] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Ok what do they do?
[12:02] <kwwii> hehe, kool
[12:03] <kwwii> :-)
[12:03] <manchicken> DaSkreech: http://www.zoomshare.com
[12:03] <kwwii> so my work on Ubuntu is paying off in a different way :p
[12:03] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Other than give you OEM great views (tm) ?
[12:03] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Great views?
[12:03] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Other than Pay? :-)
[12:03] <DaSkreech> Youknow
[12:03] <DaSkreech> like a  Vista (tm) almost
[12:04] <kwwii> I am secretly trying to Konvert people
[12:04] <kwwii> from now I writing everything with K
[12:04] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Making me run windows isn't a benefit :)
[12:04] <manchicken> DaSkreech: It's a concession :)
[12:05] <DaSkreech> Kool keep it up
[12:05] <DaSkreech> *koff*
[12:05] <manchicken> *skratch*
[12:05] <DaSkreech> Tikks?
[12:09] <DaSkreech> manchicken: So just Live CD till they admit that' it's much much more practical
[12:09] <manchicken> Except that they want internet exploder testing.
[12:10] <DaSkreech> So Install it under Wine


[20:26] <israeldahl> Hi, I have some questions about packaging... specifically about updating a package in the repos.  Can anyone help?
[20:29] <israeldahl> Is anyone here?
[20:35] <israeldahl> No?
[20:36] <commandoline> israeldahl: better to just ask the question, you're more likely to get an answer then.
[20:37] <israeldahl> OK, I recently was bestowed the maintainer postition for LMMS and do not know how to force it to become the newest version.  It is currently 0.4.10 and the current is 0.4.13  Where should I start looking to find info on how to do thi?
[20:37] <israeldahl> thi=this
[20:39] <israeldahl> I am also posting info on ubuntu forums currently to aquire help there.  I don't know where to start, but I really want the bugs to be fixed, and the new features to be available.
[20:39] <commandoline> israeldahl: basically you use the new source package and add an entry in the changelog file.
[20:40] <commandoline> there's a packaging guide, let me find the link...
[20:40] <commandoline> http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/
[20:42] <israeldahl> OK!!  Thanks. What file tells USC what category to put it in (how do I  do that?)
[20:48] <commandoline> hmm, good question. I guess the desktop file (which also puts an icon in the menus of various desktop environments), but I'm not sure.
[20:49] <commandoline> http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ <- description of the file format.
[20:51] <commandoline> the menu file is also a possiblity. (The same for some other desktop environments.)
[20:52] <commandoline> israeldahl: ^
[20:54] <israeldahl> I thought it would be the desktop file.  I am not sure where the menu file is in the heirarchy... I will do some checking around.  The latest LMMS has a valid desktop file.... so if I can figure out how to upload it then all should be well
[20:56] <commandoline> the file should end up in /usr/share/applications if I recall correctly.
[20:58] <israeldahl> I meant the menu file... I know the desktop file ends up there
[21:00] <israeldahl> By the way thanks alot for your help!!
[21:10] <commandoline>  /usr/share/menu . The file name is the name of the application you're packaging (or actually the packaging name I guess, it looks all lowercase here in that directory.)
[21:11] <israeldahl> ok, thanks
[21:11] <commandoline> and no problem :). israeldahl ^
[21:23] <israeldahl> Ok, looking in my source package I founf something that I think is the menu file it starts with the line ?package(lmms):needs="X11" section="Apps/Sound" \
[21:23] <israeldahl> founf = found
[21:24] <israeldahl> if so it looks all right it also has    hints="Audio" listed later on
[21:24] <israeldahl> Or, I think it is alright... I don't really know
[21:31] <commandoline> Yes, that's the menu file.
[21:32] <israeldahl> Ok, thanks you have been extremely helpful!!  I am working on fixing this right now
[21:32] <israeldahl> I am currently learning about bzr branching and all that
[21:36] <israeldahl> I'm still not completely clear on how I can upload the newest version of a package.  the Debian package maintainer no longer exists, so no one upstream is including the new version.  Sorry if this is in the documentation you gave me... I am unsure where to look to find that specific info.
[21:39] <israeldahl> Though.. I am pretty sure I can FIX the bugs, I don't know if I can UPDATE the package.  Thanks for being so patient with me
[21:41] <commandoline> hmm, I've no experience with that personally. You'd need to google for the debian policies, I guess, unless anyone else has extra information. You could ask that in #ubuntu-devel too I think, there are more people there who might know.
[21:46] <israeldahl> oh... ok I'll try there
[21:51] <israeldahl> hmm... when I got the bzr everything looks perfect.  the desktop file and menu file exist
[21:52] <israeldahl> the bug has been confirmed in quantal as well.  and probably in raring (i am downloading it to test it out)
[21:54] <israeldahl> Ok...  the debian INSTALL file!  Do you think this could be the problem?
[22:08] <israeldahl> well... alright then
[23:21] <aquarius> mhall119: ping


[16:26] <mowthegrass> Hi there
[16:28] <mowthegrass> Anyone encountered issues durning installation the installer just seem to get frozen on screen (Not really getting killed) it just needs to manually be woken up by a key stroke on the screen, Post the key stroke it just continues the installation
[16:28] <mowthegrass> it appears to be little strange we are observing this on both precise and trusty
[18:14] <dmj_s76> xnox: so can we perhaps merge the nvme patch.
[18:15] <dmj_s76> It fixes single drive nvme scenarios and doesn't regress any mixed/multiple/non-nvme configurations I've tried.
[23:25] <dmj_s76> xnox: multiple drive boot issue was unrelated to the nvme-bug and in fact was a limitation in firmware that prevents booting from nvme in bios mode
[23:25] <dmj_s76> I believe the patch fixes ubiquity for single and multiple nvme drive systems