[00:04] <mindframe-> any idea why mplayer wont start my videos?  it just says 'loading xxxxxxxx' then goes back to video browser
[00:16] <mindframe-> im getting a segfault when trying to run mplayer on 64bit arch
[01:46] <vvarder> Quick question for anyone who can help...autotranscode as an option during a recording schedule doesn't work for me - but flagging commercials does.  I've looked on the Wiki but haven't found the nugget I need, am I missing a service or some configuration?
[02:08] <MythbuntuGuest68> Hi all, when I first installed mythweb I could download recordings right off it, now all of a sudden its trying to launch some application... any idea how to fix it?
[03:19] <mindframe-> anyone familiar with the mplayer-rar.pl script?
[03:30] <justinh> morning all
[03:32] <justinh> how is it possible to make mythfrontend (built myself) start automatically in the default mythbuntu session? I've tried playing with .dmrc & .config/xfce4-session/xfce4-session.rc to no avail. I assume I'm missing some simple bit of info but I'm out of ideas right now
[04:04] <justinh> nm.  sorted it
[04:27] <rhpot1992> 2007-12-06 21:31:02.929 MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: Error getting codec params using old IVTV ioctl
[04:27] <rhpot1992>                         eno: Bad address (14)
[04:27] <rhpot1992> is that error anything to worry about?
[04:29] <rhpot1992> then I got this: 2007-12-06 22:26:08.239 RingBuf(/mythtv/recordings/1001_20071206213100.mpg): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/mythtv/recordings/1001_20071206213100.mpg'.
[04:29] <rhpot1992> and eventually the box locked up
[04:30] <rhpot1992> seems it created the file but for some reason couldn't write to it, as its only a byte in size
[04:30] <rhpot1992> perms are fine, it recorded everything else
[14:12] <eric[d]> hey all, I'm still getting my feet wet with myth on ubuntu, and I thought I'd ask for some advice...
[14:12] <eric[d]> I'm running myth on standard fiesty, and am thinking of moving to a mythbuntu install, which runs on gutsy
[14:13] <eric[d]> should I upgrade my box to standard gutsy first, then install the mythbuntu components?
[14:14] <eric[d]> I'm running a box with two tuners: a Hauppage PVR-250 and an ATI All-in-Wonder.
[14:15] <eric[d]> The ATI card has started intermittently become "unavailable", and a reboot doesn't help
[14:15] <eric[d]> I'm hoping a standard mythbuntu install will help(?).
[14:15] <eric[d]> Thanks in advance, I'll sit back for a while. =)
[14:21] <superm1> eric[d], surprised to hear you've had any luck with the all-in-wonder in the first place
[14:22] <superm1> but i'd say, go for the upgrade from feisty->gutsy first
[14:22] <superm1> and if things are smooth, add on the mythbuntu components
[14:22] <superm1> if for some reason they're not smooth, backup whatever you need and then install from the live disk
[14:24] <eric[d]> I was able to get the AIW to work using the custom firmware surprisingly quickly
[14:25] <eric[d]> getting it to tune in any channels was the hard part.
[14:25] <eric[d]> thanks for the advice.
[14:25] <superm1> eric[d], interesting
[14:25] <superm1> i've not heard of this custom firmware
[14:26] <superm1> do you have some documentation you can point me to for some (light) reading upon the matter?
[14:27] <eric[d]> I may have misspoke, it's not custom to the AIW per se. Let me double check what I did
[14:27] <eric[d]> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty_hardware_list
[14:27] <superm1> is it an HD TV wonder?
[14:28] <eric[d]> I had to download and run a script to d/l the firmware
[14:28] <eric[d]> heh, yes
[14:28] <eric[d]> my bad
[14:28] <superm1> oh okay that makes a lot more sense
[14:29] <eric[d]> I see it listed here under fiesty, but not under gutsy. Would that be a problem, you think?
[14:30] <eric[d]> ah, I can look that up.
[14:30] <eric[d]> I'm sure that's documented on the myth site somewhere
[14:31] <superm1> it's supported under gutsy, just that page for gutsy probably hasn't had anyone update it with a "verified" mark
[14:31] <superm1> whereas the hardware on the feisty page has had someone ack it
[14:31] <superm1> should be the same situation though with just needing the firmware
[14:31] <eric[d]> well, I suppose I could do it.
[14:31] <superm1> there are plenty of cards that use that driver otherwise
[14:34] <eric[d]> cool. I'm feeling optimistic (famous last words). I'll give it a try over the weekend. Thanks!
[14:35] <superm1> have fun :)
[14:35] <superm1> if you end up needing to use the mythbuntu disk, hopefully it goes very smooth, that's it goal.
[14:37] <eric[d]> yeah, I'm tempted to do a backup and fresh install just to get every component talking to the others in the way they expect.
[14:38] <eric[d]> superm1: heh, just saw you in a thread on the ubuntu forums
[14:46] <eric[d]> Thanks again, superm1
[15:33] <pdragon> my parents get free HD channels on their TV by tuning to stations between others (like 67.5). Would the HDHomrun be the thing to get for them to be able to record those channels plus the other normal ones?
[15:33] <pdragon> would like to make them a mythtv box
[15:34] <pdragon> they don't have a digital box or anything from the cable company
[15:34] <bendailey> pdragon: yes hdhomerun should work great
[15:36] <pdragon> any idea whether schedulesdirect.org gets those in-between HD channels for their listings?
[15:36] <pdragon> or just have to check and see?
[15:36] <bendailey> are they getting them via cable feed or off the air?
[15:36] <pdragon> cable feed
[15:36] <pdragon> just the same cable line they've had forever
[15:36] <pdragon> only reason they have those channels now is cause of the new tv they got
[15:37] <bendailey> you will have to check schedules direct then
[15:37] <bendailey> yeah their new tv has a ATSC/QAM tuner which is what the hdhomerun has 2 of
[15:38] <pdragon> ahh ok
[15:38] <pdragon> thanks :)
[15:38] <bendailey> schedules direct has a 7 day free trial period so you can check for lineups without a commitment
[15:38] <ejk> I was able to map over the air schedules to my HD tuner card's channels using schedules direct
[15:38] <pdragon> perfect. that was my only real concern about building them one
[15:39] <pdragon> oh, i'd still get them an SD account for their regular stuff anyway even if it didn't have the inbetween HD ones
[15:39] <pdragon> was just curious if anyone else had seen if their SD account had them in it
[15:41] <ejk> I have that exact setup
[15:42] <ejk> I have 2 lineups from Schedules Direct: one for comcast, one as Local Antenna listings that map to the HD tuner's channels
[15:42] <bendailey> pdragon: the hdhomerun will not do "regular cable" just a clarification
[15:43] <pdragon> hmm... how does that work then when they want to record things on regular chanels?
[15:43] <ejk> all the unencrypted HD channels on comcast have the same channel number as the Antenna channels so they line up perfectly
[15:43] <ejk> They'll see two guides, one for regular cable, and one for the HD channels
[15:43] <bendailey> you will need an ntsc capture card probably one with a hardware mpeg encoder
[15:44] <pdragon> like a regular hp150?
[15:44] <bendailey> yeah
[15:44] <bendailey> here is a list: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_capture_card#Analog_Hardware-Encoding_Cards
[15:45] <pdragon> yeah, i have an hp150 myself in my mythbox
[15:45] <pdragon> ejk: how does that work with multiple guides? they see one guide when tuned to regular channels and a different guide when tuned to HD?
[15:47] <bendailey> you could opt for a kworld ATSC-115 which does ATSC/QAM as wells as NTSC without hardware encoder in one card but you have to create dependencies on tuners
[15:47] <bendailey> pdragon: you will have one guide with all channels in the case of duplicate contents you can set a priority to the HD tuners to get used first
[15:48] <bendailey> pdragon: I should clairfy that I can only speak for the svn version so if something isn't true for you my apologizes but it will be coming
[15:49] <pdragon> well, before i'd go building it, i'd probably post all my hardware to the forums and see if it's a workable solution
[15:49] <pdragon> didn't know they had all-in-one cards like that
[15:49] <pdragon> any disadvantage to not having a hardware encoder for the NTSC stuff?
[15:50] <bendailey> your main cpu will be busy encoding captured video
[15:51] <pdragon> so, just get a better CPU in it, and it would be fine?
[15:52] <directhex|bsp> there are several limitations on the file format used by lamegrabbers
[15:52] <bendailey> yeah cpu encoding isn't super tasking but it does burn cycles
[15:52] <directhex|bsp> e.g. capture from a digital tuner card will just work, over a network, with non-myth things like a ps3, but that's not the case with framegrabber output
[15:52] <bendailey> directhex|bsp: when have you had problems iwthe the file format?
[15:53] <directhex|bsp> it's also very low quality video
[15:53] <directhex|bsp> bendailey, NUV? since forever. nothing except myth understands it
[15:53] <bendailey> directhex|bsp: understand I never watch video on anything but myth
[15:53] <pdragon> so stuff recorded on regular channels would look like crap? :/
[15:54] <bendailey> it will look good but will be playable by only myth
[15:54] <pdragon> that's fine
[15:56] <pdragon> iffy reviews of that all-in-one card
[15:57] <pdragon> seems a lot of people having sound problems and bad NTSC quality
[16:01] <bendailey> pdragon: possible I only use off air ATSC
[16:04] <pdragon> hmmm... looking like the better (but more expensive) choice is separate HD and NTSC tuners
[16:05] <pdragon> honestly, i think most of the stuff they still watch/record is NTSC. might be best to just get them an hp150 and if they want to record HD stuff, get them an HDHomerun later
[16:06] <pdragon> actually, hp500. need dual tuner
[16:08] <padan> I just got the pinnacle mce kit and I am trying to get lirc setup.  I have it setup for mceusb2, the module is loaded, but I have no actual device loading up (eg. ls /dev/lirc* just returns the daemon driver, /dev/lircd)
[16:08] <padan> i am assuming that for some reason the ir/usb receiver is not working
[16:09] <padan> it is seen in lsusb: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 2304:0225 Pinnacle Systems, Inc. [hex]
[16:09] <padan> any ideas on how to troubleshoot this?
[16:37] <ejk> sry pdragon was afk for a while
[16:39] <ejk> yes, you see a separate guide on each tuner, but the full guide shows them together
[16:45] <sebrock> anyone knows if pad2keys-patch is included in mythbuntu 7.10? or if it is possible to patch the source?
[16:45] <sebrock> is the lirc source even included in mythbuntu?
[16:45] <superm1_> sebrock, you can apt-get source
[16:45] <superm1_> it's on the deb-src repositories
[16:45] <superm1_> the source isn't shipped on disk though to save space
[16:46] <pdragon> ejk: cool thanks
[16:46] <superm1_> sebrock, which patch are you referring to
[16:46] <superm1_> for pad2keys?
[16:46] <sebrock> superm1_ so can I apply it to the source, compile and just replace the lirc_imon and lirc_dev?
[16:46] <superm1_> sebrock, if its for a kernel module, that's a little more troublesome
[16:46] <sebrock> superm1_ its a patch that makes a sertain PAD working on the imon remote
[16:47] <superm1_> can you point me at the patch?
[16:47] <superm1_> i can double check
[16:47] <sebrock> sure hold on
[16:47] <sebrock> superm1_ http://www.brakemeier.de/electronics/vdr/lirc-imon.html
[16:48] <sebrock> I have no idea why this is not in lirc sources already
[16:49] <superm1_> Okay that isn't in ours no
[16:49] <superm1_> if you want to see it in hardy though, file a bug in LP against lirc with that patch referred to and/or attached
[16:49] <sebrock> hm, how do I get this into my lirc_imon and lirc_dev sources?
[16:49] <superm1_> i would also say that you should send a message to the lirc-list and see if you can get this applied upstream
[16:49] <superm1_> okay well so to apply this...
[16:50] <sebrock> superm1_ I think someone did this but it was rejected and told to put into lirc bugs instead
[16:50] <padan> i have a more or less clean install of mythbuntu and i need to modify one the code for mceusb2 to include my remote, but when I try and autoconf the lirc cvs I get this: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL
[16:50] <padan> any ideas as to why?
[16:50] <superm1_> padan, did you apt-get builddep lirc?
[16:50] <superm1_> sebrock, so start out by getting the build dependencies for lirc
[16:50] <superm1_> by apt-get build-dep lirc
[16:50] <sebrock> ok
[16:50] <superm1_> and then apt-get source lirc
[16:51] <sebrock> ok
[16:51] <superm1_> and then apt-get devscripts
[16:51] <padan> nope, i'll give that shot
[16:51] <superm1_> sebrock, and then you will apply the patch to that lirc tree that you have
[16:51] <sebrock> ok
[16:51] <superm1_> and then you will increment the changelog version via dch
[16:51] <superm1_> dch -i
[16:51] <superm1_> is what will do it
[16:52] <sebrock> what is the last bit?
[16:52] <superm1_> it makes sure that the package doesn't conflict with anything
[16:52] <superm1_> so the current version is
[16:52] <sebrock> can I then remove the source?
[16:52] <superm1_> 0.8.2-0ubuntu8
[16:52] <superm1_> well after you build this and install the deb yeah
[16:52] <superm1_> your version will be 0.8.2-0ubuntu8+sebrock1
[16:52] <sebrock> will it overwrite the lirc I have installed now?
[16:53] <superm1_> it will replace the package
[16:53] <sebrock> or do I have to clean this first
[16:53] <superm1_> that way if things don't work you can roll back to the old package
[16:53] <superm1_> you are going to be building a deb out of this
[16:53] <sebrock> ok
[16:53] <sebrock> the deb how?
[16:53] <superm1_> well once you make the new changelog entry
[16:54] <superm1_> you type
[16:54] <superm1_> debuild
[16:54] <superm1_> and then it will build everything and make you all the .deb's
[16:54] <sebrock> ok
[16:54] <sebrock> well, I'll try
[16:54] <sebrock> is this the easiest way of patching?
[16:55] <superm1_> well this is the "cleanest"
[16:55] <superm1_> because if things fail, you just open synaptic and roll the package back
[16:55] <sebrock> ok, so it saves the old package somehow?
[16:56] <superm1_> well the old package is just pulled from http if necessary
[16:56] <superm1_> if you roll back
[16:57] <sebrock> ok
[16:57] <sebrock> thanks I'll try it
[16:58] <superm1_> sebrock, hopefully that works out well
[16:58] <sebrock> however, you can consider putting the patch into your sources aswell
[16:58] <superm1_> sebrock, please file a bug against lirc
[16:58] <sebrock> I cant imagine anyone with this remote that doesnt want this
[16:58] <sebrock> I'll do
[16:58] <superm1_> sebrock, and i'll get to it next time i update lirc
[16:58] <superm1_> otherwise will most definitely forget :)
[16:58] <sebrock> alright
[16:58] <sebrock> thank you!
[16:59] <superm1_> sebrock, okay i need to be running for a little bit here.  if you run into difficulties that no one else in the room can help you with, ping superm1 and i'll get to it when i get back later on tonight
[17:01] <padan> ok I just finished installing lirc from source and i have /dev/lirc now... irw starts and doesn't crash lircd, which is nice, but when I hit buttons on the remote, nothing is coming up in irw
[17:03] <sebrock> superm1_ just saw this: 0.8.3~pre1-0ubuntu1 includes the patches
[17:05] <sebrock> Hardy rep that is
[17:08] <superm1_> sebrock, oh so i did apply it to hardy then :)
[17:08] <superm1_> see i forget these things easily
[17:08] <superm1_> easier solution for you then
[17:08] <superm1_> grab the sources for hardy
[17:08] <superm1_> and build them
[17:09] <superm1_> sebrock, dget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/lirc/lirc_0.8.3~pre1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[17:09] <superm1_> sebrock, then dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[17:09] <superm1_> and then switch into the directory
[17:09] <superm1_> and type debuild
[19:59] <cornell_work> I've got a problem...  Myth is trying to auto-expire tv episodes whose files aren't there anymore.  It throws an error to the log.  Log  fills up drive, Myth hangs.  How can I stop it from trying to auto-expire?  Or, auto-expire these files?
[20:00] <wsuetholz> can you go into view recordings and delete them?
[20:00] <directhex> why aren't the files there anymore?
[20:01] <cornell_work> wsuetholz: they're not there
[20:02] <cornell_work> directhex: Had an lvm failure.  They were lost.
[20:02] <directhex> try to delete the recordings. worst case, remove them from the sql table
[20:02] <cornell_work> I mean, I assume that's the case, the only files in the recorded list were recorded in the past week or two.
[20:03] <cornell_work> Do you know which sql table?
[20:03] <cornell_work> Or could I just update them with some flag?
[20:04] <directhex> "recorded" i think
[20:04] <directhex> off the top of my head
[20:06] <cornell_work> Could I just create, touch, those file names and let it "expire" them?
[20:16] <Jeff_D> hey is anyone around who can help?
[20:16] <Jeff_D> i'm having a bit of a set back
[20:23] <Jeff_D> well if anyone comes back ill be here
[20:24] <padan> i think i have my remote almost setup, but i need to use irrecord to create the config file.  however, when I use irrecord, about 60 or so dots into the recording, it crashes with this error:
[20:24] <directhex> you need to state your problem, you don't ask to ask
[20:24] <padan> irrecord: could not find gap.
[20:24] <padan> irrecord: gap not found, can't continue
[20:24] <padan> it doesn't happen on any particular key
[20:24] <padan> anyone know why this is happening?
[20:27] <Jeff_D> well my problem is basically this. I'm installing mythbuntu on a computer. I select the first option which is something like "install on hard drive". then i go through the loading process, and when i get to a screen thats supposed to have white writing, 2 icons, and a bar at the top the picture is all distorted. it looks like i have 4 blurry desktops on my one screen.
[20:29] <directhex> ati graphics card?
[20:29] <Jeff_D> yes
[20:30] <directhex> notice how i guessed that detail, without you mentioning it? what does that suggest
[20:30] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: you around?
[20:30] <Jeff_D> its not compatable is it?
[20:33] <padan> ati hasn't been as forthcoming with linux developers as nvidia has, but basic 2d support is availbale for the majority of ati cards, 3d support and hw acceleration is available with the ati driver from ati
[20:33] <directhex> random screwups is not uncommon
[20:34] <padan> i had no problems with the new radeon series after installing hte newest ati driver
[20:34] <Jeff_D> so i should try updating the driver before running the instaliation?
[20:35] <padan> no you have to do it after installation
[20:36] <padan> i do not know why you get the error you are getting
[20:36] <Jeff_D> well i might be able to rough it through with screen shots
[20:37] <padan> if that doesn't work you could always just try installing ubuntu and hten myth tv over that
[20:38] <Jeff_D> yes good point
[20:38] <padan> ive long since moved to nvidia for desktop machines
[20:38] <padan> but i still have a radeon in my laptop
[20:38] <Jeff_D> yes i had a nvidia actually but it wouldnt fit inside the case
[20:39] <Jeff_D> so i moved to a radeion because its cut out in the area where a part had to lay
[20:39] <Jeff_D> Linux X86 or X86_64 driver?
[20:39] <padan> what processor do you have?
[20:40] <padan> intel or amd?
[20:40] <Jeff_D> intel
[20:40] <padan> go with x86 then
[20:40] <Jeff_D> ok, thank you for all your help
[20:40] <padan> gl
[20:42] <directhex> padan, that's a bit of an all-encompasing suggestion isn't it? intel has been 64-bit since late pentium 4's
[20:42] <padan> they do
[20:43] <padan> but the standard core-dou type line is 32bit
[20:43] <padan> is it not?
[20:43] <padan> desktop procs
[20:43] <padan> i know the xeon line is 64
[20:43] <directhex> core 1 was never released as a desktop cpu
[20:43] <directhex> core 2 is 64-bit
[20:43] <directhex> pentium-d is 64 bit as well
[20:44] <directhex> the new "pentium dual core"
[20:44] <directhex> and even celeron these days
[20:44] <padan> ok well 32bit will work no matter what intel processor he has
[20:45] <padan> 64 may or may not
[20:45] <padan> it also depends if he installed the 32bit binaries of mythbuntu
[20:45] <padan> or thre 64
[20:45] <directhex> yes, that's a rather big question
[20:46] <Jeff_D> :O
[20:46] <padan> i was basically assuming that if he had amd then he may have dl'ed something like 'amd64' disk
[20:46] <padan> :)
[20:46] <padan> but its nice to know that the intels are 64bit for hte most part
[20:48] <sebrock> superm1, did I talk to you before?
[20:48] <sebrock> superm1, I installed 0.8.3~pre1-0ubuntu1 from repository by adding hardy to my sources.list. However, I still cant see any reaction on the PAD using irw command
[20:49] <sebrock> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/lirc/0.8.3~pre1-0ubuntu1
[20:49] <sebrock> changelog says it should be there
[20:49] <sebrock> anything I need to do extra?
[20:51] <Jeff_D> i think im going to install ubuntu first then mythtv
[20:52] <Jeff_D> oh maybe not
[20:52] <Jeff_D> it calmed down
[20:55] <Jeff_D> ya im going to install ubuntu first. its like a cartoon. every time i move closer everything starts moving again
[21:17] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, ping
[21:19] <tgm4883> Jeff_D, did you try the safe graphics mode?
[21:23] <MythbuntuGuest07> Hi,  I got a question about mythbuntu.  I just built my PVR and tried to boot the CD last night.  I downloaded the AMD64 build and put the CD in.  It boot the CD and I chose Start Mythbuntu.  My screen went blank.   I waited for around 5 minutes, and then gave up for the night and went to bed.  It may just be because I didn't wait long enough, but it seemed wierd that the Monitor turned off.  When I have installed ubuntu on other computer
[21:23] <tgm4883> what video card?
[21:23] <MythbuntuGuest07> http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814127297
[21:24] <MythbuntuGuest07>  MSI NX8500GT
[21:24] <tgm4883> does the motherboard have onboard video?
[21:24] <MythbuntuGuest07> yes
[21:24] <MythbuntuGuest07> i believe so
[21:25] <MythbuntuGuest07> i'll look it up on newegg
[21:25] <tgm4883> is it possible that it's trying to use the onboard video?
[21:25] <MythbuntuGuest07> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813135039
[21:25] <MythbuntuGuest07> yea it has onboard video
[21:26] <tgm4883> 6100, not bad
[21:26] <MythbuntuGuest07> I thought about that, and tried pluggin in the monitor on the onboard, but there was still no signal
[21:26] <tgm4883> ok
[21:26] <tgm4883> have you tried the safe graphics mode?
[21:26] <MythbuntuGuest07> then again, i was really tired last night when i was doing this.  When i get off work, I am going to try again
[21:27] <MythbuntuGuest07> No, I didn't.  I tried the Check for CD Defects, but when I ran that - the monitor turned off again, and I coudln't see the results
[21:28] <MythbuntuGuest07> btw, thanks tgm4883 for the help.  I talked to you yesterday about C2D and HD and HDHomeRun.
[21:28] <tgm4883> np
[21:28] <tgm4883> i'd try the safe graphics mode and see if that works for yo
[21:29] <MythbuntuGuest07> k, thanks.  I'll try it when I get off work.  I should have thought of that last night
[21:36] <mindframe-> MythbuntuGuest07, safe graphics mode is best bet.  After installation is complete go get the nvidia beta drivers and install them.
[21:37] <mindframe-> tgm4883, no surprise that LG still hasnt responded to my request for the specs on that TV.
[21:38] <mindframe-> i ended up using my girlfriends 30" olevia LCD
[21:38] <mindframe-> LG moved to the bedroom with the xbox
[21:39] <tgm4883> kinda a little surprised
[21:39] <Jeff_D> (16:17:44) (tgm4883) Jeff_D, did you try the safe graphics mode? <- no im about to try that, thank you
[21:39] <tgm4883> LG at least sticks the RS232 commands in their books
[21:40] <mindframe-> well they were claiming that "your TV is not meant to be hooked up to a computer so we don't provide refresh rates for it"
[21:40] <mindframe-> i love the picture on that tv though
[21:40] <mindframe-> slim CRT
[21:40] <tgm4883> how do you have it hooked up?
[21:41] <mindframe-> i HAD it hooked up via HDMI
[21:41] <tgm4883> what TV is it again?
[21:41] <mindframe-> LG 32FS4D-UC
[21:42] <mindframe-> also known as 30FS4D
[21:44] <tgm4883> heh
[21:45] <tgm4883> from the manual
[21:45] <tgm4883> Check the image on your TV set. There may be noise associated with the resolution, vertical pattern, contrast or brightness in HDMI
[21:45] <tgm4883> Source Devices. If noise is present, change the HDMI Source Devices to another resolution, change the refresh rate or adjust the bright-
[21:45] <tgm4883> ness and contrast on the menu until the picture is clear.
[21:45] <tgm4883> "oh just change the refresh rate, ok"
[21:45]  * tgm4883 blows up tv
[21:46] <Jeff_D> well it works in safe graphics mode
[21:47] <Jeff_D> so should i continue to install and then update the graphics driver?
[21:47] <tgm4883> Jeff_D, I would say yes
[21:47] <Jeff_D> ok, thanks
[21:47]  * Jeff_D runs into other room
[22:01] <padan> does anyone know what it means when irrecord says this: irrecord: could not find gap.
[22:01] <padan> i am trying to map out the buttons for a pinnacle mceusb2 remote
[22:03] <tgm4883> padan, what are you using for an IR receiver?
[22:03] <padan> its what comes with "pinnacle remote kit for windows media center"
[22:03] <padan> shows up as
[22:03] <padan> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 2304:0225 Pinnacle Systems, Inc. [hex]
[22:04] <padan> there are some forum posts floating around talking about how to get it working with mceusb2
[22:04] <padan> but you are supposed to map out your own config
[22:04] <padan> at least from what other people are saying
[22:32] <williammanda_> hey guys
[22:33] <williammanda_> anyone have a snapstream firefly remote?
[22:34] <williammanda_> i have two now and they both operate on the same channel frequency
[23:32] <sebrock> superm1, your there?
[23:47] <sebrock> aw man...
[23:51] <sebrock> I need some help here: I've installed this: lircd 0.8.3pre1 from ubuntu rep. According to this https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-patches/2007-October/013993.html it should inlcude pad2keys right?
[23:57] <williammanda__> not sure


[04:09] <evon> How do I sync my online ubuntuone folder with the one i have on my computer?
[06:42] <elzapp> Yay... it seems that my transfer queue is (slowly) decreasing
[09:33] <duanedesign> mo
[09:33] <duanedesign> err, morning all :)
[09:36] <rye> duanedesign, morning!
[09:37] <elzapp> morning
[09:39] <kermiac> hello rye :)
[09:40] <rye> kermiac, i am nearly 20 minutes away from running ./oops-fighter.py and it will process all server-side bug reports and mark them as duplicates....
[09:40] <rye> ubottu, you are not helping, at all
[09:40] <rye> you are not helping nevertheless
[09:40] <duanedesign> lol
[09:41] <kermiac> rye: duanedesign: is there a better workaround for the "STANDOFF state" bug than killing the login & syncdeamon processes?
[09:41] <rye> kermiac, unfortunately no, it stucks in that state
[09:41] <kermiac> rye: re oops script - that's awesome :)
[09:42] <duanedesign> rye and it gets stuck in that state because of a disruption in the connection?
[09:43] <rye> duanedesign, well, because it did not get the notification that connection broke and it will happen more often now that the servers are crowded which is now being fixed by adding more server and making it super fast. I am waiting to become a victim of a new db layout to see how much fast that is..
[09:46] <duanedesign> thank you. Just making sure i understand it. :)
[09:46] <kermiac> should "killall ubuntuone-login && killall ubuntuone-syncdaemon" be enough to temporarily get around the STANDOFF state? I feel like I might be missing another setep - I'm trying to put together another gm-scripts response
[09:47] <kermiac> s/setep/step
[09:48] <duanedesign> also i have not had my coffe yet this morning, but this is not something i think i have seen before. bug 533277
[09:49] <duanedesign> kermiac: maybe, quit the client ?
[09:51] <kermiac> duanedesign: hmm... maybe "killall ubuntuone-login && killall ubuntuone-syncdaemon && killall ubuntuone-client-applet" ? This is for karmic where there is an applet
[09:51] <rye> gm-scripts response... why my gm scripts do not work with lp?..
[09:52] <kermiac> rye: I'm not sure mate, what's going wrong?
[09:53] <rye> kermiac, well, the monkey sits in firefox status bar, displays that lp scripts are loaded but they do not have any effect...
[09:55] <kermiac> rye: I had issues with greasmonkey & karmic... what about using the lp-improvements ff plugin? It's pretty much exactly the same as the greasemonkey scripts. I'm using that on my Karmic box
[09:56] <rye> hmmm
[09:56] <kermiac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~gm-dev-launchpad/+archive/ppa
[09:56] <kermiac> rye: then just modify or add any responses as required
[09:57] <kermiac> not ideal, but it's the workaround I use on my karmic box. Greasemonkey seems to work fine on my lucid machine though
[10:01] <kermiac> re STANDOFF state, should a reboot get it "unstuck" from the STANDOFF state, or would you need to kill the processes manually if it's stuck?
[10:02] <kermiac> sorry, just trying to make sure I've got my head around it properly & I haven't reproduced it locally
[10:04] <kermiac> rye: duanedesign ^^ ?
[10:04] <duanedesign> i think so. But from what ihave noticed the problem is usually caused by something else that causes it to keep happening
[10:05] <duanedesign> But i have only worked with a couple people who have had this.
[10:05] <rye> kermiac, the problem is as follows - connection drops and syncdaemon switches to STANDOFF state waiting for the notification about closed connection to arrive (i.e. to retry), however that notification does not come because it is lost
[10:06] <kermiac> ah, so that won't really help hehe thanks. I need to investigate the OP's issue further to get to the cause of the problem (i.e. why the connection was lost). Thanks for the explanation - it makes sense now
[10:12] <rye> kermiac, connection can be lost now due to server overload :(
[10:13] <kermiac> rye: yes, I've seen that mentioned in here :( is there any way to tell if the connection was lost due to overload?
[10:13] <kermiac> ah, life calls.... bbs
[10:13] <rye> kermiac, well, it is more likely connection is lost due to overload if nothing else is specified in the bug report
[10:13] <rye> perl knowledge interferes with basic python skills...
[10:13] <rye> grrr
[10:19] <popey> rye: i managed to get my notes to sync from ubuntu up to u1 in the end, which is great, but windows fails to sync
[10:20] <duanedesign> hmmm, i cant do a half smilie...
[10:22] <duanedesign> popey: were you having an issue syncing your notes on Lucid?
[10:22] <teknico> rye, then you know what to do :-P
[10:23] <duanedesign> this morning i cant seem to sync. Havent started to look into it yet.
[10:23] <rye> duanedesign, can't sync couchdb or files?
[10:23] <duanedesign> Tomboy
[10:24] <rye> duanedesign, hmm
[10:24] <rye> popey, you just get server error, right?
[10:24] <popey> duanedesign: i was but i have fixed it
[10:24] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/423272/
[10:27] <duanedesign> yeah i got a 404  http://fpaste.org/OOsX/
[10:29] <rye> 404.. grrrrrrrrrr
[10:29] <rye> 404 means that token has expired, which is strange because they do not expire
[10:33] <popey> ah, i just cleared my sync settings and tried to re-set it up. Clicked the connect button and it says "Server not responding. Try again later"
[10:33] <popey> the url I have in there is https://one.ubuntu.com/notes
[11:25] <elzapp> Is the musicstore down today?
[11:25] <elzapp> "Connecting you to the Ubuntu One Music Store..." when I'm proceeding to checkout
[11:39] <rye> aquarius, ^
[11:41] <aquarius> elzapp, does it happen repeatedly, or has it just happened once?
[11:42] <elzapp> I can only do it once, because when I return it still says the same. However, I've tried on two machines, and it's happened on both
[11:43] <aquarius> elzapp, we know there's a problem there, but we've never managed to replicate it to debug it.  Quit Rhythmbox (make sure it's actually quit, not just minimized to the notification area), and then start a terminal (applications > accessories > terminal)
[11:44] <aquarius> (sorry if you already know this stuff; do say so if you do)
[11:44] <aquarius> and then start rhythmbox as: rhythmbox -D U1
[11:45] <aquarius> then try adding the song to your basket again and going to checkout, and tell me if you get the same problem.
[11:45] <elzapp> Damn. Now it worked.
[11:47] <rye> ok, starting to auto-duplicate server-side bug reports
[11:48] <aquarius> elzapp, heh. You see our problem. We can't make it happen on demand, either, which makes it almost impossible to debug :(
[11:53] <elzapp> I know very well that sort of problems
[11:53] <elzapp> I'll attempt to do it on the other machine as well
[11:55] <aquarius> if you manage to get the error while you're running as rhythmbox -D U1, I would very much like to see the terminal output in a pastebin
[11:57] <elzapp> aquarius: I have one question... does my music purchases use space off my quota?
[11:58] <elzapp> No dice on the other machine either
[11:58] <aquarius> yes. However, you can purchase music even if you are up to your quota limit; music purchases themselves avoid the quota.
[11:59] <aquarius> thanks for attempting to debug; if it happens again in the future, do please try again if you get the chance. I'd really like to nail this bug, I just can't find a way of making it happen.
[12:02] <elzapp> By the way, it was not in checkout, but when adding a release to the shopping cart
[12:05] <elzapp> Antother question: can I control the "mountpoint" for syncronized folders?
[12:06] <elzapp> Say, I have one machine with English language, and one with Norwegian language. On the english machine the music folder is Music, on the norwegian folder it's called "Musikk". Can I make the same folder on U1 syncronize to the correct location on each machine?
[12:07] <elzapp> Without symlinking Musikk to Music?
[12:13] <elzapp> aquarius: I think I've spotted another bug in the music store...
[12:14] <elzapp> Search for "Tron"
[12:14] <elzapp> err
[12:14] <aquarius> elzapp, the folder *does* synchronize to the same location on each machine.
[12:14] <elzapp> I mean, search for "Joker", then select the release "Joker - Tron"
[12:15] <aquarius> elzapp, the library folder in Rhythmbox is ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/XXX, where XXX is a translation of "Purchased from Ubuntu One" in your language.
[12:15] <elzapp> aquarius: Yes, I'll explain my question better in a moment
[12:16] <elzapp> In that release (Joker - Tron) there's two tracks
[12:16] <elzapp> Tron (Original Mix) and Tron (VIP mix)
[12:17] <aquarius> elzapp, ok, I can see those two tracks
[12:17] <elzapp> Then when you buy the release, you'll notice that both is named Joker - Tron in the downloadlist.
[12:17] <elzapp> And, in the end it seems that only one of them will be downloaded
[12:17] <aquarius> elzapp, ah, yep; files with the same name is a known bug which is being worked on.
[12:18] <elzapp> So, now I didn't get the track I actually wanted, since I bought the whole release :/
[12:18] <aquarius> elzapp, honest truth: it did not occur to me when I built the original download code that an album would have two songs with the same name, hence this bug :( We're working on it, though.
[12:18] <elzapp> I see
[12:19] <elzapp> Yes, I would've thought that the mixname also was included in the filename
[12:19] <aquarius> as would we
[12:19] <elzapp> joy
[12:19] <aquarius> but the metadata we get for the track does not include it. It is most vexing.
[12:19] <elzapp> how about the tracknumber then?
[12:19] <aquarius> so we're going to work around it, but it's quite fiddly. Sorry that you've been tripped up by this bug
[12:20] <elzapp> I would've liked to have the tracknumber in the filename anyways
[12:20] <aquarius> so would the rest of us. The track number isn't in the metadata, though :(
[12:21] <elzapp> lovely :p
[12:21] <aquarius> elzapp, welcome to my life ;)
[12:21] <elzapp> I feel with you... I know very well how it is to integrate against incomplete and crappy API's
[12:23] <rye> aquarius, can we pre-fetch the song, look at its metadata first (which is in the file itself) and then start operating on the new data... or no tracknumber in e.g. mp3 metadata at all?
[12:24] <elzapp> Come again when the apps you're developing against is produced by another team in your own company, and since you, beeing a collegue, are not a paying customer, and thus is in the back of the queue to get the bugs fixed
[12:24] <aquarius> rye, no, not without a complete and total rewrite of *everything*.
[12:25] <elzapp> do you have *anything* that's unique in the metadata?
[12:26] <elzapp> I know musicstores like www.beatport.com is prefixing each trackname with a track-id
[12:26] <aquarius> elzapp, it's not clear -- that's why this bug isn't fixed yet, because I need to be sure that the uniqueness is applicable to every track.
[12:26] <elzapp> which is that track's ID in the catalogue
[12:27] <elzapp> ok
[12:27] <aquarius> Also, I don't want to use the unique thing I do have (track ID) in the filename, because having files called 987654-Tron.mp3 would be really irritating.
[12:27] <elzapp> heh, yeah, but that's how beatport does itr
[12:27] <elzapp> -r
[12:28] <aquarius> What I'll probably do is only use it for duplicates, so you'd get FirstTrack.mp3, DupeTrack (123456).mp3, and DupeTrack (234567).mp3
[12:28] <Treenaks> that sounds reasonableish
[12:29] <aquarius> but that's a bit non-trivial to do, because you have to walk over the whole list first to see if you've got any duplicates, and then walk back over it again to allocate names, and you have to be careful that adding (trackid) doesn't make the name too long, and...etc, etc, etc. This is why this is not fixed yet.
[12:29] <elzapp> yes... I would run my own rename-script on it anyway, and use the id3-tags
[12:29] <aquarius> I recommend that you don't rename purchased tracks, because if you do that the Music Store thinks that you don't have them any more...
[12:29] <elzapp> too long filenames?
[12:30] <aquarius> elzapp, ya. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/567339
[12:30] <elzapp> aquarius: thanks for the warning
[12:30] <aquarius> ah, is a private bug.
[12:31] <elzapp> what would happen when the store thinks I don't have the file anymore?
[12:35] <aquarius> It'll show it as "You've deleted or moved this file; click to download it again" in My Downloads
[12:35] <aquarius> so it's not a crisis or anything.
[12:35] <elzapp> Can I use that to get the other track?
[12:35] <aquarius> hrm.
[12:36] <aquarius> sneaky.
[12:36] <aquarius> I don't think so.
[12:36] <aquarius> but I'd be interested in what happens if you try :)
[12:36] <aquarius> (I recommend taking a second copy of the mp3 you've got first, though)
[12:37] <elzapp> I provoked the problem with the cart again
[12:37] <elzapp> http://pastebin.com/LuL1yPwS
[12:38] <aquarius> aha!
[12:39] <elzapp> there you go, aquarius
[12:39] <aquarius> rodrigo_, we have a replication of the "libu1 shows the error page when checking out" problem
[12:39] <aquarius> rodrigo_, http://pastebin.com/LuL1yPwS -- looks like calling the login D-Bus method failed
[12:39]  * rodrigo_ looks
[12:39] <aquarius> rodrigo_, what might cause that? how do we fix it?
[12:39] <aquarius> elzapp, rodrigo_ is the expert on this part :)
[12:40] <elzapp> I have an idea why this happens :)
[12:41] <elzapp> Yesterday, when I was debugging a file synchronization problem, I noticed that the client disconnects pretty often from the u1 filestorage
[12:41] <elzapp> then, each time that happens, it takes the DBus service down and up again
[12:42] <elzapp> If I then use the store at the same time, it can't access the dbus for syncdaemon
[12:42] <rodrigo_> well, from that log, dbus calls are failing, yes
[12:42] <rodrigo_> we don't deal correctly with dbus going down after having started the music store
[12:44] <rodrigo_> elzapp, if you restart rhythmbox, does it work, right?
[12:45] <elzapp> rodrigo_: Probably, just a sec
[12:45] <rye> rodrigo_, hm, can we just follow dbus name change in rb plugin?..
[12:45] <rye> name owner change
[12:46] <rodrigo_> rye, yes, we can
[12:47] <elzapp> I can fonfirm that
[12:47] <elzapp> confirm even
[12:47] <elzapp> that it works after restarting rhythmbox
[12:50] <rodrigo_> elzapp, if you file a bug, I can cook a fix quickly and, maybe, we can ask for an update to the lucid package, although not 100% sure we'll can
[12:52] <elzapp> I'll file a bug then :)
[12:52] <elzapp> What parts of the logfile do you need attached?
[12:53] <elzapp> and where is U1s launchpad? (cuz I'm lazy)
[12:54] <elzapp> Ok, seems that I guessed right
[12:55] <aquarius> ubuntu-bug libubuntuone-1.0-1 will file the bug for you
[12:56] <elzapp> aquarius: according to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/544596 a fix is committed for the filename conflict problem ... or?
[12:57] <aquarius> elzapp, the fix is committed but not yet rolled out
[12:58] <elzapp> Yes
[12:59] <elzapp> Hm, wait a minute...
[13:00] <rye> couchdb is down, pinged admins
[13:00] <elzapp> If you already have a bug on "libu1 shows the error page when checking out", shouldn't I justb attach my data to that one?
[13:01] <rodrigo_> elzapp, attach the log you pastebin'ed
[13:02] <elzapp> but I can't seem to find the bug
[13:02] <rye> couchdb is up
[13:02] <rodrigo_> elzapp, file a new one, the other one was fixed, and the cause was different
[13:03] <elzapp> ah
[13:03] <rodrigo_> elzapp, the new bug is about not working ok with syncdaemon being killed
[13:04] <aquarius> yeah. There are about six ways that you can get the error page when you check out. This has made tracking down the problems be quite hard
[13:04] <aquarius> and every time we think we've finally fixed it it turns out there's another reason why it might fail ;)
[13:07] <elzapp> :)
[13:07] <Treenaks> aquarius: Time for "Your error id is musicstore-12345"-style errors? :)
[13:09] <aquarius> Treenaks, I have been thinking about that in some detail for maverick.
[13:10] <aquarius> At the moment we swallow all errors up into one single error page, which gives you the option to reload because the most common error by miles is "you are not connected to the internet".
[13:10] <aquarius> But I think we need something a little more detailed, and a Back button as well as reload.
[13:17] <elzapp> Um... Isn't it possible to attach more than one file when reporting a bug?
[13:20] <elzapp> there we go https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libubuntuone/+bug/570672
[13:58] <elzapp> aquarius: I renamed the Joker - Tron track.. Nothing has happened yet, though..
[13:58] <aquarius> elzapp, what happens if you go back to My Downloads?
[13:59] <elzapp> the my downloads screen still shows 0% downloaded for one of the tracks, and "transferring to ubuntu one" for the other. Just as it did before
[13:59] <aquarius> hrm.
[13:59] <aquarius> OK, so renaming a duplicate song doesn't work :(
[13:59] <aquarius> slightly concerned that you're seeing 0% downloaded for a track which actually is downloaded, mind.
[14:00] <elzapp> or to be exact "Tron - Joker
[14:00] <elzapp> Tron
[14:00] <elzapp> err
[14:01] <elzapp> or to be exact "Transferring to your Ubuntu One storage" and "0MB downloaded" respectivelt
[14:02] <elzapp> No idea which is the one I got and which is the one I didn't get though...
[14:03] <elzapp> both listings is bad
[14:05] <elzapp> http://twitpic.com/1iuxlc
[14:09] <bac> hi verterok -- last week i turned on the debugging like you asked for the syncdaemon.  the sync still has not happened.
[14:10] <elzapp> bac: turning on debugging won't make the problem go away by itself. It just makes it possible to find out why stuff doesn't work
[14:11] <bac> elzapp: yes.  i was alerting verterok that the debugging has been in place for a while and there should be plenty of data to look at now.
[14:11] <bac> elzapp: i just wasn't that verbose.  :)
[14:11] <elzapp> aha, that makes more sense :)
[14:11]  * bac passive aggressive this morning
[14:12] <elzapp> bac: if you do "u1sdtool --current-transfers", does all transfers have bytes written/bytes read equal to deflated size?
[14:14] <bac> elzapp: no.  it shows 0, 0.  for some reason the syncdaemon is not recognizing there are files that need to be transfered.
[14:15] <bac> elzapp: verterok and i worked on debugging this issue quite a bit last week.
[14:15] <elzapp> Is u1sdtool -s saying "connection: With User With Network"?
[14:16] <verterok> bac: hi
[14:16] <verterok> bac: refresh my memory, it was an issue with purchased music?
[14:17] <bac> verterok: yes.  a couple of albums got stuck due to issues on the server you resolved.  now one album has downloaded and the other shows up on the web files list but has not transfered locally.
[14:18] <bac> verterok: rhythmbox shows "transferring to your U1 storage"" for the affected files, though they are already transfered on the server.
[14:22] <verterok> bac: and you can download the affected files from the web?
[14:22] <bac> verterok: haven't tried
[14:24] <verterok> bac: please try it, and check if the file is "ok"
[14:24] <bac> verterok: yes, downloaded one file and it is playing now.
[14:25] <verterok> bac: is there a bug for this?
[14:26] <verterok> bac: please could you upload full debug logs to pastebin/devpad/chinstrap or to the bug?
[14:26] <bac> verterok: sure
[14:30] <bac> verterok: it's at http://people.canonical.com/~bac/syncdaemon.log.gz but looks pretty boring
[14:31] <verterok> bac: indeed, please: tar -cjf syncdaemon-logs.tar.bz2 ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log ;)
[14:32] <facundobatista> bac, sorry if you already told this: which song is "stuck"?
[14:33] <bac> facundobatista: an entire album -- django reinhardt
[14:33] <bac> verterok: no, i never filed a bug.
[14:34] <bac> verterok: http://people.canonical.com/~bac/syncdaemon-logs.tar.bz2
[14:35] <bac> facundobatista: which is a little ironic...
[14:35] <facundobatista> verterok, do you know who calls current_status every 5 seconds?
[14:35] <verterok> facundobatista: no idea
[14:36] <verterok> bac: ok, nothing interesting in the logs...looks like the files were rotated and now most of the useful info is gone :(
[14:37] <facundobatista> bac, are you calling SyncDaemon's get current status every 5 seconds somehow?
[14:38] <bac> facundobatista: no
[14:44] <rye> verterok, there was a metadata upgrade issue with didrocks - see people.canonical.com:~didrocks/ubuntuone. http://paste.ubuntu.com/420938/
[14:44] <verterok> rye: yes
[14:44] <rye> verterok, the location there is full of metadata, so if you are interested - feel free to grab
[14:44] <verterok> rye: looks like a partially upgraded metadata, e.g: syncdaemon was killed/terminated during metadata upgrade :(
[14:45] <verterok> rye: there is all the metadata from didrocks machine?
[14:46] <rye> verterok, hm, he uploaded it as is, w/o archiving...
[14:46] <CardinalFang> lucio__, hihi!  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/desktopcouch/+bug/451809   You re-set to Confimed on 25 Jan.  Is that true?
[14:46] <verterok> rye: ok, I'll check, thanks
[14:46] <rye> verterok, thanks!
[14:47] <lucio__> CardinalFang, i really cant tell now.
[14:48] <lucio__> CardinalFang, it really looks like i did change to confirmed, but i did not comment (-1 on me)
[14:49] <CardinalFang> lucio__, do you mind terribly if I set it Incomplete?
[14:49] <lucio__> CardinalFang, not at all. i can re test if you tell me how
[14:50] <CardinalFang> lucio__, Well, if you use a desktop-couch--using app, and it crashes, then you have tested.  Gwibber is a good test.
[14:50] <lucio__> im not touching gwibber, sorry, any other candidates?
[14:52] <rye> i got my own "server" couchdb...
[14:53] <rye> now i need to make it timeout
[14:54] <facundobatista> bac, the logs are rotated and we lost the info because of this: #570724
[14:55] <facundobatista> bac, please, restart the syncdaemon, so, it will start again, let it go to IDLE, and we can check those logs
[14:55] <facundobatista> bac, and avoid staying in the Downloads page of Rhythmbox, to avoid that bug
[14:56] <CardinalFang> lucio__, Hah.  'ps x |grep desktopcouc[h]' and if service isn't running , then just run  /usr/lib/desktopcouch/desktopcouch-service from the terminal.
[14:57] <bac> facundobatista: ok
[14:57] <facundobatista> bac, thanks
[14:59] <lucio__> CardinalFang, hitting "We seem to be running already, or can't publish our zeroconf advert." now. my isp has a .local domain
[15:03] <verterok> CardinalFang, lucio: I filed a similar bug regarding desktopcouch-pair or a related app
[15:04] <rye> bug #506601
[15:05] <rye> lucio__, are you running a linux router?
[15:05] <verterok> rye: bug #564068
[15:05] <verterok> :)
[15:06] <lucio__> rye, yes. i was hpoing somehow i could come across the knowledge i imagine you are about to share with me.
[15:07] <rye> lucio__, if you are running dnsmasq then you can make local to be really local -     --local=/domain/                Never forward queries to specified domains.
[15:08] <rye> I have --local=/local/ in the config, or option 'local' '/local/' in config 'dnsmasq' in OpenWRT config
[15:09] <rye> heeeey, my blogspot template removed blogspot thingie on top...
[15:10] <lucio__> rye, cool, added the --local thing into the text box, dc wont start with the same message, maybe stuff needs to be rebooted
[15:10] <bac> facundobatista, verterok: http://people.canonical.com/~bac/syncdaemon.log
[15:10] <rye> lucio__, dnsmasq needs to be restarted, right
[15:11] <lucio__> rye, tomato said it was restarting, but that did not help, ill try rebooting everything later today
[15:12] <rye> lucio__, it should read --local=/local/ for it to work
[15:12] <lucio__> it does
[15:13] <lucio__> rye: i dont have dns in my local network anymore :) i need to run, ill play with this later
[15:14] <CardinalFang> lucio__, thanks.
[15:14] <rye> if --local is supported in your dnsmasql config...
[15:14] <rye> s/config/release/
[15:36] <greg-g> quick (stupid) question: In lucid, does the UbuntuOne client create an indicator applet or similar so I can A) visualy see the status and B) start/stop U1?
[15:37] <greg-g> (iow: I don't have one, but this FAQ refers to one: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+faq/778 or at least something like it in step 10)
[15:39] <duanedesign> greg-g: in Lucid the applet has been replaced by Ubuntu One Preferences. Found in the Me Menu or System > Preferences > Ubuntu One
[15:40] <greg-g> duanedesign: ah, gotcha.
[15:40] <verterok> bac: hi, I'm working on a script to dump the metadata of your syncdaemon in order to diagnose what might be the problem
[15:40] <greg-g> duanedesign: thanks.
[15:44] <rye> We'll be down for a little over an hour starting at 1700 UTC today (http://bit.ly/9k343s) to improve your sync performance
[15:45] <rye> hm, timezone.. hm
[15:46] <verterok> bac: here is the script: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/423403/
[15:47] <verterok> bac: save it as dump_metadata.py and run: python dump_metadata.py ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon > syncdaemon-md.dump
[15:47] <bac> verterok: will do
[15:57] <mandel> ping teknico
[15:58] <teknico> mandel, pong
[15:59] <mandel> teknico, what is the "extended_address" field for?
[15:59] <mandel> teknico, cause you updated the wiki, right?
[16:00] <teknico> mandel, yes, I did
[16:00] <facundobatista> bac, thanks, verterok will work with you to ask for more data, and we'll analyze it together later
[16:00] <bac> thanks facundobatista
[16:00] <teknico> mandel, it's for whatever address information does not fit on the first address line
[16:01] <teknico> mandel, the changes comes from this discussion: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-users/msg00555.html
[16:01] <verterok> facundobatista: I missed to add UDF support to the script :/ working on it ATM
[16:01] <facundobatista> verterok, ok
[16:02] <teknico> mandel, does that change create problems to you (or who knows, maybe new opportunities ;-) )?
[16:03] <mandel> teknico, no problem at all, I'm very open to this changes
[16:04] <mandel> teknico, I'll just update my code
[16:05] <teknico> mandel, that's good, however we'll have to track them more closely, we're going to have more and more user data impacted
[16:07] <mandel> teknico, I was thinking about that kind of things lately, but I think is better to talk about it in UDS. application_annotations would have been a good way to solve it, but since there is no many other desktopapp working with the data is not a problem
[16:08] <mandel> teknico, right now I'm focused on releasing a mono(thinking about tagging photos in f-spot with U1 contacts) lib to access desktopcouch to enable more apps so I'm on stand by right now in the address book
[16:08] <teknico> mandel, I see
[16:08] <teknico> mandel, application_annotations is useful to keep each app data from interfering with each other
[16:09] <teknico> mandel, but it's not going to prevent having to change the common part of the contacts definition, once in a while
[16:10] <mandel> teknico, indeed, but in this case I think that something with a name2 is an app extra data. But evo is the big guy here, so the rest can adapt
[16:44] <autarch> tracks from the u1 music store are transferring very slowly, and I was referred to this channel for help
[16:44] <autarch> the tracks are _finally_ starting to come through now
[16:45] <autarch> but it is very slow
[16:45] <autarch> anything I can investigate?
[16:47] <rye> autarch, we are now working to improve the filesyncing speed , there will be a service outage starting from 1700 UTC that will speed things up
[16:47] <autarch> so nothing I can do locally?
[16:48] <rye> well, the service outage is required to reconfigure the syncing service
[16:50] <autarch> sounds good
[17:02] <jay-tmt-2> I was having trouble with Ubuntu One file syncing, so I deleted a bunch of the files that were in my ~/Ubuntu\ One folder.  Now, in the web interface, those files are are all listed in gray text with the status "Uploading."  How can I remove them?
[17:04] <rye> jay-tmt-2, currently filesync is extremely slow, so the changes you have made (i.e. removed the files) might not be picked up by the server, there is an ongoing work to make the service faster so i'd suggest to wait for 3 hours (the reconfiguration should happen at 1700 UTC) before trying to recover the state
[17:05] <jay-tmt-2> Thanks rye; this has been going on for almost a week though.  Has filesync been slow for that long?
[17:06] <rye> jay-tmt-2, i'd rather say it was in this state during last month
[17:08] <jay-tmt-2> Ok, thanks again.  I'll just wait it out.  Also, how can I tell which of the several registered computers I'm currently working at?
[17:13] <easter_egg> I need some help with ubuntu one and evolution
[17:14] <easter_egg> I been install the evolution-couchdb
[17:14] <easter_egg> but
[17:14] <easter_egg> when I open evolution
[17:14] <easter_egg> none dialog appears
[17:15] <easter_egg> and
[17:15] <rodrigo_> none dialog appears?
[17:15] <easter_egg> rodrigo_, none
[17:15] <easter_egg> and
[17:15] <easter_egg> I can add
[17:15] <easter_egg> in the contacts place
[17:15] <easter_egg> but Ubuntu One contacts appears empty
[17:16] <rodrigo_> appear empty where?
[17:16] <easter_egg> an this isn't empty
[17:17] <easter_egg> something like this should be happen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Tutorials/Contacts
[17:18] <easter_egg> but none to to Allow access appears
[17:19] <easter_egg> and when I try to add Ubuntu One in contacts place of evolution, it appears inoperative
[17:19] <easter_egg> rodrigo_,  explained better?
[17:20] <rodrigo_> no, sorry, still don't understand what the problem is
[17:20] <easter_egg> rodrigo_, whell
[17:20] <rodrigo_> you shouldn't be adding Ubuntu One in contacts place, it's done automatically
[17:20] <rodrigo_> don't you already have a 'Ubuntu One' addressbook on the evolution left tree?
[17:20] <easter_egg> robtaylor, no... I don't have
[17:20] <easter_egg> I need to install the evolution-couchdb
[17:21] <rodrigo_> yes, you need to, have you restarted evolution after doing so?
[17:21] <easter_egg> and its suppose to do all automatically
[17:21] <easter_egg> yes.. I restartated
[17:21] <rodrigo_> run on a terminal -> evolution --force-shutdown and restart evolution again
[17:22] <easter_egg> ohh! XD
[17:23] <easter_egg> its work ;P
[17:23] <easter_egg> the evolution-data-server and the evolution-alarm-notify were still connected.
[17:23] <easter_egg> rodrigo_, thanks and sorry by the stupid mistake xD
[17:24] <rodrigo_> yeah. np, if running,. it doesn't get the new backends
[17:25] <easter_egg> yes, that's correct
[17:26] <easter_egg> :)
[21:29] <milanbv> hi! is it a known bug that the "More" link for files doesn't unroll (on the website)?
[21:35] <jay-tmt-2> milanbv: the server is undergoing some maintenance right now.  Check here for updates: http://identi.ca/ubuntuone
[21:36] <milanbv> OK, thanks
[21:36] <jay-tmt-2> No problem :)
[21:36] <milanbv> though I think it was also failing, but differently, a few days ago
[21:36] <jay-tmt-2> Hopefully whatever caused it to fail then will be addressed by this update.
[21:37] <milanbv> cool
[21:37] <milanbv> U1 is starting to be very nice, just need to fix a few annoying bugs (non-ASCII filenames...) :-)
[21:38] <rye> jay-tmt-2, milanbv the "More" links were disabled deliberately for the time being
[21:38] <rye> milanbv, as per failing in a different way - that's interesting
[21:38] <milanbv> let's see
[21:38] <rye> milanbv, non-ascii filenames are not supported, i.e. they will not be uploaded and the warning will be issued to the log
[21:38] <rye> milanbv, erm
[21:38] <milanbv> yeah, but that's pretty annoying for a LTS
[21:38] <rye> milanbv, no, non-utf8 filenames are not supported
[21:39] <milanbv> you guys are only English speakers, aren't you? ;-)
[21:39] <rye> milanbv, could you please describe what exactly is "not supported" regarding non-ascii
[21:39] <milanbv> I don't mean non-UTF8, I really mean non-ASCII
[21:39] <milanbv> cf. bug 557160
[21:40] <rye> what?
[21:40]  * rye subscribes
[21:40] <milanbv> not really confirmed, though
[21:40] <milanbv> I've not been able to find somebody who would explain the trace
[21:41] <rye> :-/
[21:42] <rye> milanbv, well, i found a related UDF error (thanks!), but as per e.g. cyrullic folders sync - that works for sure
[21:43] <rye> milanbv, will file it once the servers are brought up
[21:44] <rye> milanbv, ah, that's _about_ UDF
[21:45] <rye> milanbv, i believe this is easy to fix and will most likely go to SRU - stable release update. Adding this to my todo list (i am not really a developer, but i occasionally patch things that do not work)...
[21:48] <milanbv> rye: cool, thanks!
[21:48] <milanbv> that will really help
[21:49] <milanbv> (for now, I have renamed the dir to be ASCII, and I'm using a symlink for my work)
[21:51] <rye> there is a "# XXX Unicode boundary?" comment there...
[21:53] <milanbv> people should really avoid leaving those comments ;-)
[21:55] <rye> milanbv, no, there is an util that searches for such types of comments. If everything is great, this is one line change, but need servers back up to test. Stay tuned. I am assigning this bug to myself since I am extremely interested in having full non-latin1 support
[22:50] <Moe> Hey guys
[22:51] <Moe> I'm having trouble running the Ubuntu One Preferences on Xubuntu Lucid (updated a few minutes ago)
[22:51] <Moe> http://pastie.org/938154
[22:51] <Moe> Any help or pointers would be greatly appreciated
[22:52] <Moe> Oh, uhm
[22:52] <Moe> honk ?
[22:53]  * Moe chuckles
[22:53] <rye> Moe, hi
[22:53] <Moe> Hey
[22:53] <Moe> Guess honking on IRC does help at times
[22:53] <rye> Moe, currently file sync is under maintenance so it won't work, but your traceback is weird
[22:53] <Moe> rye: I know, I couldn't figure it out as well
[22:54] <Moe> My Python isn't exactly prime (I'm more of a C/perl type of guy)
[22:54] <Moe> But I couldn't find anything about it in Launchpad or the wiki
[22:54] <rye> Moe, could you please pastebin your /etc/xdg/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf and ~/.config/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf ?
[22:54] <Moe> So I stopped by to ask for help
[22:54] <dobey> looks like it's not finding your config file
[22:54] <Moe> Sure, sec
[22:54] <dobey> the former is probably not there
[22:54] <joshuahoover> Moe: do you have a ~/.config/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf file?
[22:56] <Moe> http://pastie.org/938171 < /etc/xdg/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf
[22:57] <Moe> http://pastie.org/938173 < .config/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf
[22:57] <Moe> joshuahoover: They're both present
[22:58] <dobey> Moe: apt-get remove python-ubuntuone-client, rm both those files, and then apt-get install ubuntuone-client-gnome
[22:58] <joshuahoover> Moe: try adding this to the syncdaemon.conf file
[22:58] <joshuahoover> [__main__]
[22:58] <joshuahoover> log_level = DEBUG
[22:58] <dobey> joshuahoover: no
[22:58] <dobey> joshuahoover: there is a LOT missing
[22:58] <joshuahoover> dobey: ah, ok
[22:58] <dobey> do what i said instead :)
[22:59] <Moe> On it
[22:59] <joshuahoover> Moe: yeah, do what dobey tells you to do ;)
[22:59]  * Moe obeys
[22:59] <dobey> since it looks like the one in /etc/ got overwritten with the wrong data
[22:59] <dobey> and was probably therefore not replaced on update
[23:00] <dobey> Moe: if after that, it still doens't work, please file a bug
[23:00] <dobey> i have to go get away from the computer now. later :)
[23:00] <Moe> Sec, reinstalling
[23:01] <Moe> I suppose there's no ETA on the current maintenance, right?
[23:01] <dobey> it shouldn't be long
[23:02] <Moe> Ok
[23:02] <Moe> Alright, it finished reinstalling
[23:02] <Moe> However, now there are no configuration files whatsoever
[23:02] <Moe> So I have to run anything besides ubuntuone-preferences first?
[23:03] <dobey> no
[23:03] <Moe> That's a shame really then ..
[23:03] <Moe> The error message stayed exactly the same
[23:03] <dobey> really?
[23:03] <Moe> Do note I'm running this on Xubuntu .. not on a "regular" installation
[23:04] <dobey> and what is in /etc/xdg/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf now?
[23:04] <Moe> If that makes for any difference
[23:04] <Moe> Nothing, it's gone
[23:04] <Moe> (You told me to remove it earlier)
[23:04] <dobey> what files are in /etc/xdg/ubuntuone/ ?
[23:04] <Moe> (And it hasn't come back since)
[23:04] <rye> dobey, residual config, removed config do not reappear
[23:04] <Moe> Nothing but a single directory
[23:04] <dobey> rye: huh?
[23:04] <rye> Moe, try apt-get --purge remove python-ubuntuone-client now
[23:04] <rye> Moe, and reinstall it
[23:05] <Moe> Okay!
[23:05] <dobey> oh, right --purge might do better i guess
[23:05] <dobey> that seems like a bug in dpkg
[23:05] <dobey> if the file doesn't exist, it should put it there
[23:05] <rye> dobey, no, if config is removed then dpkg honors that - it was not it who removed the file
[23:05] <rye> dobey, it was the mighty root
[23:06] <Moe> Okay, running
[23:06] <Moe> (The reinstall)
[23:06] <dobey> i don't understand what you just said
[23:06] <dobey> but anyway, i have to go :)
[23:06] <Moe> hehe
[23:06] <Moe> Yeah, I'm sorry
[23:06] <Moe> Okay, now I have all the necessary files as it seems
[23:07] <Moe> Drat!
[23:07] <Moe> ubuntuone-preferences still tanks
[23:07] <Moe> Makes me a sad panda
[23:07] <rye> Moe, ok, now we just need to wait until maintenance is done... and it is waaay night here...
[23:07] <rye> Moe, hm
[23:08] <rye> Moe, what's apt-cache policy ubuntuone-client ?
[23:08] <Moe> I do have a syncdaemon.conf in /etc/xdg/ubuntuone/ now
[23:08] <Moe> But none in .config/ubuntuone
[23:08] <Moe> Sec
[23:09] <rye> Moe, .config/ubuntuone are created by preferences
[23:09] <Moe> http://pastie.org/938191
[23:09] <Moe> That's the output you just requested
[23:09] <Moe> Sorry for the German
[23:10] <rye> Moe, apt-cache policy python-ubuntuone-client ?
[23:10] <rye> Moe, and could you please re-paste  /etc/xdg/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf now?
[23:11] <Moe> http://pastie.org/938196 < output
[23:11] <Moe> Configuration coming
[23:12] <Moe> http://pastie.org/938198 < syncdaemon.conf
[23:12] <rye> Moe, is there anything ubuntuone-related running - ps auxw | grep [u]buntuone
[23:12] <Moe> Checking
[23:13] <Moe> moe       1651  0.2  3.8  40284 19408 ?        SLl  Apr27   0:06 /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon
[23:13] <Moe> Uh
[23:13] <Moe> Suppose that could be the bummer, right?
[23:13] <rye> Moe, it can be though i not yet understand why
[23:13] <rye> could you please kill it?
[23:14] <Moe> Did so via u1sdtool -q
[23:14] <Moe> Still no go on ubuntuone-preferences :(
[23:15] <rye> what does ubuntuone-preference respond with?
[23:15] <Moe> The exact same error as before
[23:15] <Moe> Shall I paste it again?
[23:15] <Moe> It does look pretty much the same
[23:16] <rye> Moe, i am a bit more puzzled now
[23:16] <rye> Moe, are you sure that's the same machine?
[23:16] <Moe> Don't look at me .. I'm probably you-puzzled + 1
[23:17] <Moe> Absolutely
[23:17] <rye> Moe, could you please try killing syncdaemon completely , w/o u1sdtool
[23:17] <Moe> Uhm sure .. but there is no daemon running according to ps aux
[23:18]  * Moe checks to make sure
[23:19] <rye> Traceback (most recent call last):
[23:19] <rye>   File "/usr/bin/ubuntuone-preferences", line 801, in files_check_toggled
[23:19] <rye>     self.__music_check_toggled(self.music_check)
[23:19] <rye> AttributeError: 'UbuntuOneDialog' object has no attribute '_UbuntuOneDialog__music_check_toggled'
[23:19] <rye> wow
[23:19] <Moe> Okay, scratch my earlier assumption .. there actually way one daemon still running
[23:20] <Moe> *was
[23:20] <Moe> However, ubuntuone-preferences still isn't a go
[23:20] <Moe> rye: I don't suppose your wow is related to my issue (just making sure)?
[23:21] <rye> Moe, no, it is something different that actually makes [ ]  File sync checkbox a bit bad...
[23:21] <Moe> Ok
[23:22] <rye> Moe, so you run ubuntuone-preferences and it fails again?
[23:22] <Moe> Let me cycle that machine
[23:22] <Moe> Yes, indeed
[23:23] <rye> but howw???
[23:23] <Moe> Waiting for the boot process to settle
[23:24] <Moe> Alright, it's up again
[23:24] <Moe> Arg, no go
[23:25] <Moe> Just a quick check .. I'm running Python 2.6
[23:25] <Moe> It's supposed to work with that, right?
[23:26] <rye> Moe, python -c 'import xdg.BaseDirectory; print xdg.BaseDirectory.xdg_config_dirs'
[23:26] <rye> Moe, what does that ^ print?
[23:27] <Moe> moe@moe-laptop:~$ python -c 'import xdg.BaseDirectory; print xdg.BaseDirectory.xdg_config_dirs'
[23:27] <Moe> ['/home/moe/.config', '/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu']
[23:27] <rye> Moe, aaaha!
[23:27] <Moe> Ow!
[23:27] <rye> Moe, it does not read the config because it does not have to read that
[23:27] <rye> why?
[23:27] <Moe> The ubuntuone directory is missing
[23:27] <rye> ['/home/rtg/.config', '/etc/xdg/xdg-gnome', '/etc/xdg']
[23:27] <rye> that's what I have
[23:27] <Moe> I see
[23:27] <rye> ok, at least this is now not that scary
[23:28] <Moe> Indeed
[23:28] <Moe> I wonder why I'm missing the /etc/xdg part
[23:28] <rye> Moe, echo $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS
[23:28] <Moe> Just this: /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu
[23:29]  * ajmitch wonders why xubuntu has to be different there
[23:29] <Moe> Somehow it dawns on me this might be a Xubuntu error
[23:29]  * Moe wonders along with ajmitch
[23:31] <rye> # readd default if was empty
[23:31] <rye>   if [ -z "$XDG_CONFIG_DIRS" ]; then
[23:31] <rye>     XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=$DEFAULT_XDG_CONFIG_DIRS
[23:31] <rye>   fi
[23:31] <rye>   export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=${DEFAULT_XDG_CONFIG_DIRS}/xdg-${GDMSESSION}:$XDG_CONFIG_DIRS
[23:32] <rye> whatever
[23:32] <rye> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60xdg_path-on-session
[23:33] <rye> something is broken
[23:34] <Moe> hm, yeah
[23:34] <rye> Moe, ok, quick solution is to have export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg:$XDG_CONFIG_DIRS somewhere before preferences/syncdaemon startup
[23:34] <rye> but i will look into this tomorrow, addint TODO item
[23:34] <Moe> Awesome, thank you
[23:34] <rye> Moe, what's your lp username, so that I could subscribe you to the bug report?
[23:35]  * rye will d/l xubuntu and see what's wrong...
[23:35] <Moe> Given that syncing isn't working right now I might as well wait for you to fix it
[23:35] <Moe> rye<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is my launchpad login
[23:35] <Moe> mheiber should be the right user credentials
[23:36] <rye> Moe, ok, found you
[23:36] <Moe> Brilliant
[23:38] <rye> ok, so far i am disconnecting since it is 01:38 here
[23:38] <Moe> So I actually hit a bug
[23:38] <rye> Moe, yes, but with xubuntu, not ubuntuone
[23:38] <Moe> Right, thank you so much for your help and consideration
[23:38] <Moe> nod
[23:38] <Moe> Sleep well
[23:39] <rye> so good night all!
[23:55] <Bookman> My ubuntuone is still not syncing on my 10.04 or 9.10 machines....not sure what is wrong.  Do I have to start it up manually every login?
[23:56] <Bookman> Oh, I guess it is down.


[04:11] <Sveta> hi :-)
[04:12] <Sveta> http://au.ubuntuforums.org redirects to http://ubuntuforums.org, is that intended ?


[04:16] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:34] <pygi> hey sbalneav
[04:35] <sbalneav> Hello pygi
[07:08] <mykil> hellos
[07:45] <eps_> I'm after edubuntu that will just work on a ppc imac; I'm a touch confused as to which release cd's I need to download.  can some one just confirm that I want the 'desktop' cd and the add-on cd?
[07:48] <eps_> mmm ppc isn't supported anyway :(
[07:48] <eps_> is it possible to get a package list of the apps used in edubuntu so default ubuntu could be setup like it?
[08:14] <LaserJock> eps_: you might try http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/ports/releases/7.04/release/
[08:15] <LaserJock> and you probably want the Classroom Server CD and Addon
[08:28] <edistar> cheers, anyone have experience with sabayone? It somehow does not want to save the changes..
[08:28] <edistar> its very important!
[08:29] <LaserJock> well, does it give you an error?
[08:31] <edistar> no, it doesn't, thats the problem
[08:32] <LaserJock> ok, and are you editing the profiles using sudo?
[08:33] <edistar> yes
[08:33] <edistar> one moment, I started it in the terminal now, I got a lot of errors now, shall I nopaste it?
[08:33] <LaserJock> sure
[08:35] <edistar> http://nopaste.php-q.net/301971
[08:37] <LaserJock> hmm
[08:38] <LaserJock> I'm not really sure
[08:39] <edistar> any suggestions?
[08:40] <LaserJock> is this on an LTSP server?
[08:40] <edistar> yes
[08:41] <LaserJock> and are you running sabayon directly on the server or from a thin client?
[08:41] <edistar> on the server
[08:42] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm not sure
[08:42] <edistar> ok
[08:43] <LaserJock> it seems like it's having trouble finding a file
[08:43] <edistar> yes
[08:43] <edistar> but it could read a profile..
[08:43] <edistar> cause I could login afterwards..
[08:44] <LaserJock> did you add a Firefox button somewhere?
[08:44] <edistar> no
[08:44] <edistar> sabayon seems to add a lot everytime it starts
[08:44] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:45] <LaserJock> I wonder if you unchecked some things that it's trying to add
[08:45] <edistar> no, I didn't
[08:45] <LaserJock> I don't have sabayon installed right now so I can't remember
[08:46] <edistar> just locked every change to see what happened..
[08:46] <edistar> ok
[08:46] <LaserJock> I mean, I wonder if you did uncheck some things if it would help
[08:46] <edistar> I'll try no
[08:46] <edistar> now
[08:46] <LaserJock> especially the Firefox stuff
[08:47] <edistar> I didn't do _anything_ with firefox
[08:48] <LaserJock> yes
[08:48] <LaserJock> but I think sabayon marks some changes for firefox automatically
[08:48] <edistar> ok
[09:24] <moquist> LaserJock: poking at that moodle package again now
[09:24] <LaserJock> excellent
[09:33] <moquist> ogra: Tomorrow (when I have access to the hw again) I'll contrast an Xdialog greeter with a zenity greeter; I'm interested to see if zenity is significantly slower than Xdialog.
[09:39] <pygi> morning bluekuja
[09:39] <bluekuja> heya pygi !
[09:39] <bluekuja> :)
[09:40] <bluekuja> how are you man?
[09:40] <pygi> tired, very
[09:40] <bluekuja> :)
[09:40] <bluekuja> how its going with your software?
[09:40] <pygi> perfect? :)
[09:41] <pygi> bluekuja, you all good?
[09:42] <bluekuja> pygi, yeah, I just found something bad in a package
[09:42] <bluekuja> can you please try to reproduce it there too?
[09:42] <bluekuja> (gutsy version)
[09:42] <pygi> bluekuja, ergh, not now, sorry
[09:42] <pygi> exam tomorrow :)
[09:42] <pygi> which package/what's the problem??
[09:42] <bluekuja> oh oki :)
[09:43] <bluekuja> I paste you on pastebin
[09:44] <bluekuja> pygi, something is in italian
[09:44] <bluekuja> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/102632
[09:45] <bluekuja> but you will understand
[09:45] <bluekuja> ^^
[09:45] <pygi> I've got no idea what that package is
[09:46] <bluekuja> I was merging gtk2hs (where it got that dep)
[09:46] <bluekuja> and I get it
[09:46] <bluekuja> (inside/outside pbuilder)
[09:47] <moquist> LaserJock: do you prefer to PM or talk in a #channel about package dev?
[09:47] <LaserJock> well, if it's of general interest we can do it here
[09:47] <LaserJock> but whatever you want really
[11:51] <skipper> Hi everyone!
[11:52] <skipper> Got the "Official Ubuntu Book" and installed Ubuntu on my laptop.  So long Microsoft!
[12:16] <eps_> thanks LaserJock :)
[12:17] <LaserJock> eps_: did it help?
[12:18] <eps_> hopefully, getting the ppc port now :)


[05:04] <Kuki> can i get help with ubuntu mate 14.04 here?
[06:20] <darkxst> Noskcaj, can you clean up and submit libinput transition, required patches all cherry-picked from upstream are in my libinput ppa
[06:21] <darkxst> though maybe weston could just be bumped to 1.6.1 (along with wayland of course)
[06:23] <Noskcaj> ok
[06:33] <darkxst> thanks
[06:37] <Noskcaj> darkxst, 0.8.0 or 0.9.0?
[06:37] <darkxst> Noskcaj, 0.8.0 is enough for 3.16 (I think)
[06:38] <darkxst> but if there are no further api changes 0.9 would be fine also (or may require extra patches)
[06:38] <Noskcaj> "This release is ABI-compatible with libinput 0.8, but a set of new functions
[06:38] <Noskcaj> has been added."
[06:38] <Noskcaj> most finger hover support and a new lenovo thing
[06:38] <darkxst> yeh that should be fine then, just test build ;)
[06:39] <Noskcaj> ;)
[06:40] <Noskcaj> Is there a way to get files of debian NEW? I'd prefer to take debian 0.8.0 package
[06:45] <darkxst> dget .dsc link?
[06:46] <Noskcaj> I'm too stupid to find the .dsc link
[06:50] <darkxst> not sure, but have managed to do it in the past
[09:33] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Would it be better to add the earlier patch at https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=342893 for kwin
[09:34] <Noskcaj> Or should i be asking the kubuntu guys about that?
[09:44] <darkxst> Noskcaj, I took the later patch since that was from the maintainer, however I don't think it really matters much
[09:45] <darkxst> support in kwin is still very much experimental
[09:45] <darkxst> but go ahead and ask them
[09:46] <darkxst> gtg noe
[12:02] <jhenke> hi folks!
[12:03] <darkxst> hi jhenke
[12:04] <darkxst> !ask
[12:18] <jhenke> darkxst thanks for the hint, just ideling here since I consider migrating to ubuntu gnome (from xubuntu) due the better hidpi support in gnome3 compared to xfce
[12:20] <jhenke> but a question, in the test vm right now I had the stange behaviour that it was impossible to enter the password on the unlock screen, no matter which key you typed the chracter was removed again from the input box before you could type the complete password, though I am not sure wehter that is a vnc or gnome bug
[14:15] <lindol> good evening
[14:15] <lindol> : )
[15:16] <lindol> good night i am going to the bed. :)
[15:16] <lindol> see again
[21:09] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Are we planning to have clutter-gst 3.0.4 in vivid?
[21:13] <darkxst> Noskcaj, are all rdepends ported?
[21:14] <Noskcaj> I think it needs a new source package like 1.0 to 2.0 did
[21:14] <darkxst> yes it will, however its unlikely they will allow 3.0 and 2.0 to live in main
[21:15] <darkxst> so its all or nothing for rdeps in main
[21:17] <darkxst> though they are mostly all gnome things, so hopefully have been ported already
[22:44] <Noskcaj> darkxst, What should i rename the gstreamer1.0-clutter binary package to? gstreamer1.0-clutter-3.0?
[22:50] <darkxst> Noskcaj, yes that seems reasonable
[22:51] <darkxst> btw is the libgstreamer plugin versioned?
[22:52] <Noskcaj> yes
[22:52] <Noskcaj> libgstclutter-3.0.so
[22:52] <darkxst> ok
[22:53] <Noskcaj> I'll push it to my ppa to test build, then gnome3-staging. Hopefully everything in main is already done
[22:54] <darkxst> Noskcaj, only totem is building against 3 upstream
[22:54] <Noskcaj> ok, this might take some time then
[22:57] <darkxst> yeh, so probably just -staging for the time being, it will be needed there for totem anyway
[23:12] <Noskcaj> turns out both clutter-gst-1.0 packages can be updated to clutter-gst-2.0, so we can drop that
[23:20] <darkxst> Noskcaj, ok


[05:21] <firstofth300> rharper: The problem I'm facing is that I don't necessarily know any of the information ahead of time. It's all queried at runtime through the DigitalOcean data source. One of the pieces is the presence of an anchor IP which is only provided via the metadata server which I potentially could be using for floating IPs. If I could just configure the
[05:21] <firstofth300> VPC with proper routes, I would. I really wish that cloud-init would provide an option to append routes as that seems like it is a potentially more common use case for the smaller independent clouds like DO and Linode.
[05:22] <firstofth300> It would make things more portable in case I need to use a combination of CentOS/Debian/Ubuntu, etc.
[05:26] <firstofth300> I suppose since I'm using a combination of Saltstack and cloud-init that I can just runcmd this and then use a salt state to add the routes itself.
[17:30] <rharper> firstofth300: yeah, the challenge as you mentioned, is knowing certain info ahead of time; that's what the platform tells cloud-init;   If there is additional metadata from DO about the route you need to configure, then the DO datasource could be updated to include that route when it renders networking.
[18:08] <firstofth300> Yeah, I suppose there could be some sort of metadata set ahead of time that specifies routes to add.
[18:08] <firstofth300> I solved the problem using runcmd and Saltstack though which I'm happy enough with.
[18:09] <firstofth300> runcmd to configure the networking to be able to reach the Salt master and salt to actually render the routes.


[16:37] <CarstenG> Hi together
[16:44] <CarstenG> Hi Nora
[16:49] <nautu> hi
[16:49] <nautu> how are u?
[16:51] <CarstenG> Thanks, fine. :-)
[16:51] <CarstenG> Still preparing some dinner :-)
[16:51] <nautu> its night there
[16:51] <nautu> lunch time here
[16:52] <CarstenG> Where do you live?
[16:52] <nautu> Argentina
[16:53] <nautu> can you cook and chat at the same time? ;)
[16:53] <nautu> i dont think so
[16:54] <CarstenG> No, I don’t cook :-)
[16:54] <CarstenG> Only cold dishes today
[16:56] <nautu> nooo
[16:56] <nautu> today, what are you having?
[16:56] <nautu> im curious
[16:59] <CarstenG> Well, some slices bread with cheese and sausage, some vegetables...
[16:59] <nautu> it sounds tasty
[17:00] <nautu> are u from germany?
[17:00] <CarstenG> Yes it is :-)
[17:00] <CarstenG> Yes
[17:01] <nautu> is there anything you need from argentina or me?
[17:01] <nautu> ;)
[17:02] <nautu> or ure curious about what a teacher is doing here
[17:02] <CarstenG> Mmmh, I have to think about it
[17:02] <nautu> wine
[17:02] <nautu> footballers
[17:02] <nautu> ;9
[17:02] <CarstenG> Are you visiting Germany in the near future?
[17:03] <nautu> u  must be kidding me
[17:03] <nautu> im a teacher i would love to travel
[17:03] <CarstenG> :-)
[17:03] <nautu> but havent you heard?
[17:03] <nautu> in argentina its impossible to save money in a different currency
[17:03] <CarstenG> What?
[17:03] <nautu> as inflation goes it is impossible to travel
[17:04] <CarstenG> Oh, sorry
[17:04] <nautu> honestly, i would love to visit italy
[17:04] <nautu> i dont know germany
[17:04] <CarstenG> I didn't know that.
[17:04] <nautu> i guess if im in europe, i can go up
[17:04] <nautu> a bit further
[17:05] <nautu> can you speak spanish?
[17:06] <CarstenG> No
[17:06] <CarstenG> Only english
[17:06] <nautu> and german
[17:06] <CarstenG> And a little russian
[17:06] <CarstenG> yes of cource :-)
[17:07] <nautu> i cant speak german
[17:07] <nautu> thats fair
[17:07] <CarstenG> And my local dialect :-)
[17:07] <nautu> where are you from in germany?
[17:08] <CarstenG> I was born in Saxony, in the eastern part
[17:09] <CarstenG> But live now since 5 years near Düsseldorf, in the west
[17:09] <nautu> it sounds like the name of a beer
[17:09] <nautu> i like taht
[17:09] <nautu> that
[17:09] <nautu> where I live theres a German community
[17:09] <nautu> a school
[17:10] <nautu> I mean in my town
[17:10] <nautu> in the rest of argentina there are huge cities full of german immigrants
[17:12] <CarstenG> Nice, than you can taste the german beer there. :-)
[17:12] <nautu> i cant spell the name of the good
[17:12] <nautu> food
[17:13] <nautu> this is supposed to be a place to talk about serious stuff, is it? im new here
[17:13] <nautu> i dont want to break any rule
[17:13] <nautu> s
[17:15] <CarstenG> I think it’s ok. Only remember that this channel will be logged.
[17:16] <CarstenG> And everybody can read what we are speaking about :-)
[17:17] <nautu> I know that
[17:17] <nautu> what do you mean by this channel?
[17:24] <CarstenG> I mean this chat room, #ubuntu-manual, see here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/08/26/%23ubuntu-manual.html
[20:40] <CarstenG> good night


[21:18] <mneptok> does Upstart now privide for running jobs as a user other than root without su execs?
[21:18] <mneptok> *provide