[06:29] <dholbach> good morning
[08:19] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Senior Health & Fitness Day! :-D
[09:07] <justCarakas> Good morning to you 2 JamesTait
[09:13] <nik90_> good morning :)
[09:30] <dpm> oSoMoN, nerochiaro. We've got complete translations for Gallery and Camera in zh_CN ready for the MAE image. These will need new app releases for them to be included. How do I request a new "translations release" from trunk for each one of these apps?
[09:31] <oSoMoN> dpm, have those translations been merged into the respective trunks already?
[09:31] <dpm> oSoMoN, yes, but let me double-check
[09:33] <dpm> oSoMoN, for Camera already in trunk since r275: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/camera-app/trunk/changes/277?start_revid=277
[09:34] <dpm> oSoMoN, for Gallery in trunk since r987: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/gallery-app/trunk/changes
[09:37] <oSoMoN> dpm, ok, so we need landing requests for the two apps with basically empty MRs, I can take care of that, and once they are released we’ll need someone to upload them to the store
[09:39] <dpm> oSoMoN, excellent, thanks! Do you need me to find someone to do the store uploads after the releases are done?
[09:39] <oSoMoN> dpm, I wouldn’t mind if you could take care of that part, I’ll submit a LR in a min
[09:40] <dpm> oSoMoN, ok, just let me know when the releases are done and I'll ping either Bill or Sergio to do the store uploads (I think they're the ones with permissions)
[09:47] <mihir> Good morning folks :)
[09:55] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: what's the process to request a silo to get the Malta changes in gallery-app and qtmultimedia out there ?
[09:55] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, you need to have MRs ready, reviewed and approved as a prerequisite
[09:56] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, then ask a lander to file a landing request for you (bfiller, boiko or myself)
[10:31] <dpm> Laney, so a while ago I asked you about how to reboot the system to fix a bug in the dualboot app and you showed me how to do it with dbus, and I finally got around to testing it last night. It turns out this works well on the desktop, but it does not work on a device. The dbus .service files to be able to do that are included either in consolekit or systemd-services, none of which are installed on the phone
[11:36] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: if I need to submit changes against a package, should I do that against trusty, trusty-proposed or utopic branches ?
[11:48] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: utopic i suppose, even though that's tricky as i haven't switched yet
[11:49] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, do you mean packaging changes?
[11:49] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i mean an ubuntu-specific patch
[11:49] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: which goes to debian/patches
[11:50] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, well you can’t submit changes to anything that’s in trusty unless it’s a candidate for a SRU
[11:50] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, anything touch-related targets utopic
[11:51] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: this is a change specific for stuff that's desktop-only
[11:51] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: but it has to do with apps that are both touch and desktop
[11:51] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, it doesn’t matter, unless it’s a security bugfix (i.e. candidate for a SRU), it has to target the current devel series, i.e. utopic
[11:52] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok, so utopic or utopic-proposed branch ?
[11:53] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, I’d say utopic
[11:53] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: cool, thanks
[12:20] <mihir> popey: when you get time , could  you test this on device , https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni/ubuntu-calendar-app/1297739/+merge/221109?
[12:46] <Laney> dpm: sure they are
[12:47] <Laney> dpm: you can't try it over ssh though
[12:47] <Laney> make a script and call it from the terminal app
[12:47] <Laney> gdbus call --system -d org.freedesktop.login1 -o /org/freedesktop/login1 -m org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.Reboot false
[12:47]  * Laney has just done this on the phone
[12:52] <dpm> Laney, I didn't trit with gdbus, but directly from code in a C++ plugin, using Qt Creator. When running this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7536379/ I got a reply along the lines "there are no .service files that provide this interface". But as the copy of the code to the phone is done over SSH with Qt Creator, I guess that's the issue? So probably if I just click-package the app and install it, it'll work?
[12:52] <Laney> dpm: We don't have consolekit
[12:53] <dpm> Laney, ah, sorry, that was me trying something else. I did try it with login1 in the first run
[12:53] <Laney> I'd try to build a minimal binary and run that from the terminal app
[12:54] <dpm> so http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7536402/ is what I initially tried
[12:58] <dpm> Laney, thanks, I'll give it a shot this evening. Another thing I realized is that this will help with rebooting into Android for dual boot, but I still don't know how to properly do a '/system/bin/reboot recovery' to reboot into Ubuntu, I didn't see how I could do this over Dbus. Do you happen to have any ideas?
[13:05] <Laney> dpm: Ah, that bug is because you need to use the system bus
[13:06] <Laney> dpm: I don't know anything about this recovery thing :(
[13:08] <mihir> dpm: ping !!
[13:16] <nik90_> ahayzen: are you okay with 12:00 tomorrow for the meeting?
[13:17] <ahayzen> nik90_, i should be but tht is the same time as the normal music-app-dev meeting :/
[13:17] <nik90_> ahayzen: lol
[13:17] <nik90_> ahayzen: what about 11:00 AM then?
[13:18] <nik90_> or is that too early for you
[13:18] <ahayzen> nik90_, ah hang on are you saying UTC or BST?
[13:18] <nik90_> ahayzen: UTC
[13:18] <ahayzen> nik90_, soo...yeah 1200UTC will be 1300 BST thts cool :)
[13:19] <nik90_> ahayzen: good lord I hate timezones (the irony)
[13:19] <ahayzen> nik90_, same lol why can't everyone stick with GMT ;)
[13:19] <nik90_> ahayzen: ok so 12:00 UTC it is...
[13:19] <ahayzen> \o/
[13:19] <nik90_> ahayzen: hehe
[13:20] <ahayzen> nik90_, nearly finished my blog post lol
[13:20] <nik90_> ahayzen: sending a mail to the core apps ML
[13:20] <ahayzen> nik90_, got massive writers block and fell asleep last night
[13:20] <nik90_> ahayzen: how the hell did I finish before you
[13:20] <ahayzen> nik90_, i died on my bed then was woken by the cleaners :/
[13:21] <dpm> Laney, ah, good catch with the system bus
[13:21] <dpm> hi mihir
[13:21] <nik90_> ahayzen: lol
[13:25] <nik90_> pmcgowan, bfiller: Good morning :)
[13:26] <pmcgowan> hey nik90_
[13:26] <bfiller> nik90_: hi
[13:30] <frecel> dpm: hi
[13:30] <frecel> dpm: how do I use my phone with the SDK now that the devices tab is all about the emulators?
[13:31] <dpm> hi frecel, the emulators are just a device as your phone, there shouldn't be any difference
[13:31] <dpm> so if you plug your phone, Qt Creator will use that as the device afaik, right zbenjamin?
[13:32] <frecel> oh ok, so another problem then is the fact that I get an error about some process running in the background and absolutely nothing useful about it in the log
[13:34] <dholbach> mhall119, there was a bug report about giving the "developer-portal" and the "ubuntu-developerportal" projects in LP more distinctive names
[13:34] <dholbach> mhall119, with infrastructure converging, do you think we could take a look at doing that again?
[13:34] <dholbach> mhall119, maybe use developerportal-content or some such?
[13:35] <dholbach> it's not a huge issue, but for some reason I just thought o fit
[13:35] <dholbach> of it
[13:37] <mihir> dpm: this is how you talking about , http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7536648/ for localization ?
[13:38] <dpm> mihir, exactly
[13:39] <mihir> dpm: but this is not returning me in two letters, i meant like Su,Mo,Tu. any idea how can we achieve this ?
[13:39] <dpm> mihir, what does it return?
[13:39] <mihir> Mon,Tue
[13:39] <mihir> and I feel , it is too much for showing in checkbox and it will eat up lot of space
[13:42] <dpm> mihir, how are the textboxes shown? Next to each other? Do you have a screenshot?
[13:44] <mihir> dpm: they are checkboxes, http://imgur.com/3ciVUTU
[13:44] <mihir> if you suggest to have three letters week Day i'll go ahead and push the changes.
[13:51] <dpm> mihir, I'd use 3 letters, and if there isn't enough space, I'd use two lines: the first one for "Repeats on:", and the second one for the days
[13:51] <mhall119> dholbach: a -content project might be good, or we can convert the existing WP project to that name
[13:51] <dholbach> mhall119, yes, I think I'd just do the latter
[13:51] <dholbach> mhall119, and have developerportal{,-content} or something along those lines
[13:52] <mihir> dpm: okay I'll do that.
[13:52] <dpm> great, thanks!
[13:53] <mihir> dpm: i'll try to get it in one row, if it doesn't work then will go with two rows.
[13:53] <Ashwin> Cannot create CordovaView object. Falling back on the plain Webview backend. Inspector server started successfully. Try pointing a WebKit browser to http://<IP_ADDRESS>:9221 QOpenGLShaderProgram: could not create shader program  QOpenGLShader: could not create shader  QSGMaterialShader: Shader compilation failed: ""  QOpenGLShaderProgram::uniformLocation( matrix ): shader program is not linked  QOpenGLShaderProgram::unif
[13:54] <Ashwin> I'm getting this error when I try to run an app
[13:54] <Ashwin> It's a HTML based app
[13:55] <t1mp> mihir, dpm or a multivalue optionselector? http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Components.OptionSelector/#multiSelection-prop
[13:55] <t1mp> whatever you like.. perhaps the checkboxes are better in this case
[13:56] <mihir> hmm t1mp yup , that looks more convienent to users i feel
[13:56] <mihir> this*
[14:00] <ahayzen> nik90_, +1 on the coreapps mail :)
[14:01] <nik90_> ahayzen: thnx. I hope I dint miss anything
[14:01] <ahayzen> nik90_, nope don't think so looks good :)
[14:03] <dpm> t1mp, bzoltan, so I wanted to look at what the multivalue option selector looks like, and it seems we're no longer shipping the showcase gallery?
[14:03] <dpm> I've only got the HTML5 component gallery on my system now
[14:04] <bzoltan> dpm:  I am positive that we are shipping it
[14:04] <t1mp> dpm: in a meeting now, questions can go in #ubuntu-on-air ;)
[14:05] <bzoltan> dpm: ubuntu-ui-toolkit-examples
[14:05] <dpm> bzoltan, ah, wait, it might be because I installed some packages from a silo to test the i18n fix, and it ended up with a broken -examples package
[14:05] <daker> Ashwin: what are you doing there ?
[14:05] <bzoltan> dpm:  yes, there must be an upgrade issue
[14:10] <t1mp> dpm: it is part of ubuntu-ui-toolkit-examples
[14:10] <t1mp> ah bzoltan was faster :)
[14:16] <dpm> :)
[14:18] <ahayzen> nik90_, https://plus.google.com/u/0/114266526651378562082/posts/6d75rA7pf7W
[14:18]  * ahayzen hides
[14:18] <nik90_> hehe
[14:19] <ahayzen> nik90_, probably loads of spelling/grammar errors lol
[14:19] <nik90_> ahayzen: not to worry, I made tons of them as well
[14:20] <ahayzen> nik90_, yey ... no wonder we doing programming :P
[14:20] <bzoltan> nik90: I am doing the release test for the latest UITK and I see a strange failure with the clock app
[14:20] <nik90_> +1
[14:20] <t1mp> nik90_: awesome blog post :)
[14:20] <nik90_> t1mp: thnx.
[14:20] <nik90_> bzoltan: you have a log?
[14:21] <bzoltan> nik90_: Yes, the error line is this: "ERROR: ubuntu_clock_app.tests.test_clock.TestClock.test_add_city_button_must_add_world_city" I will pastbin the longer version
[14:21] <nik90_> ok
[14:22] <bzoltan> nik90_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7536882/
[14:23] <nik90_> bzoltan: hmm..is it a consistent failure? From the log, it seems that the newly added world city is not being detected by AP.
[14:24] <bzoltan> nik90_:  I have never seen this failure before
[14:25] <nik90_> bzoltan: can you run the tests again? I have seen it rarely before, but have not being able to reproduce it locally.
[14:25] <bzoltan> nik90_:  sure I can do... I still have 3-4 hours tests to run and after that I will re-run the failing tests.
[14:26] <nik90_> bzoltan: ok. I think it might have been a timing issue and not related to the UITK update
[14:27] <bzoltan> nik90_: that was my speculation too :) but we better check it to be safe
[14:28] <nik90_> true
[14:30] <t1mp> nik90_: even better to get rid of the timing issues so we don't need to check again next time :)
[14:31] <nik90_> t1mp: agreed. I will take a look at it.
[14:31] <t1mp> thanks!
[14:32] <t1mp> maybe elopio can give some tips how to avoid timing problems
[14:33] <nik90_> t1mp: yeah I worked with him on the tests. But this is something that happened 1 out of 20 AP test runs, so it is a bit difficult to pinpoint where the timing issue lies.
[15:36] <kalikiana> t1mp: the script I mentioned https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/pushToPhone/+merge/221260
[15:38] <elopio> ping renato_, please remember my branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/address-book-app/refactoring_tests1
[16:16] <kalikiana> t1mp: bzoltan [Ubuntu-phone] ANNOUNCING: New phablet-shell tool. ← awesome!
[16:16] <bzoltan> kalikiana:  it is cool indeed
[16:58] <AskUbuntu> Can the c++ api be used to develop scopes for Unity 7? | http://askubuntu.com/q/473546
[18:33] <FellLnux> H !
[18:33] <FellLnux> Hello
[18:34] <FellLnux> ?
[20:47] <daker> hi t1mp
[20:48] <daker> t1mp: what will happen when you combine tabs with pagestack ?
[21:13] <t1mp> daker: you can push Tabs as the first thing on a PageStack. That will then show the tabs drawer in the header.
[21:13] <t1mp> daker: and if you push other Pages afterwards, you get the back button to return to the tabs
[21:14] <t1mp> daker: other combinations (for example pagestack inside tabs, tabs on top of a pagestack) are not supported, and are discouraged by design
[21:15] <daker> t1mp: ok, do you have the code of the demo you did show last week ?
[21:16] <t1mp> yes, sec
[21:17] <t1mp> daker: it is in the lp:ubuntu-ui-toolkit bzr repository, see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/view/head:/tests/resources/toolbar/header.qml
[21:18] <t1mp> daker: if app developers want to combine tabs and pagestack, they can use Tabs.selectedTabIndex and PageStack.pop() in their code to navigate
[21:19] <daker> t1mp: so here you can have tabs inside a pagestack ?
[21:19] <t1mp> daker: yes, but only as the first item that is pushed on the pagestack
[21:20] <t1mp> because then you don't need a back button
[21:20] <t1mp> when you push something else on top of the tabs, you get the back button to return to the tabs
[21:21] <daker> i see
[21:22] <daker> the actions bar needs to show only two icons ? if there is more than two display the first icon + the dropdown menu icon ?
[21:23] <t1mp> yes, that is the case when you have a back/tabs button on the left
[21:23] <t1mp> if there is no button on the left, then the actions bar can show 3 icons or 2 icons + dropdown menu
[21:24] <t1mp> daker: there is an extensive explanation here http://design.canonical.com/2014/03/new-apps-header/
[21:24] <daker> t1mp: ok
[21:25] <t1mp> the icon for the dropdown menu and the dropdown menu itself should get new visuals soon
[21:25] <t1mp> I don't have them yet, but I have seen videos from design how it should look
[21:26] <daker> t1mp: share :) i saw them too
[21:27] <t1mp> I don't have them, I saw them last week in Malta
[21:27] <t1mp> I have to finish some other stuff before I can work on that
[21:27] <t1mp> jounih should have them. I don't know when he will be around since tomorrow is a holiday in many places
[21:28] <daker> ok
[21:29] <gerlowskija> Has anyone seen this warning/message when running core apps through the SDK: " Could not determine application identifier. HUD will not work properly.
[21:29] <gerlowskija>  Provide your application identifier in $APP_ID environment variable."
[21:30] <t1mp> gerlowskija: yes, I always get that when I run an app on desktop
[21:30] <daker> gerlowskija: just ignore that message
[21:31] <gerlowskija> t1mp: daker: That's what I figured, the app seems to start up fine.  So it doesn't affect anything?
[21:31] <daker> gerlowskija: no that's for the HUD
[21:32] <t1mp> gerlowskija: no, it doesn't affect anything.
[21:32] <t1mp> I think we should disable that message
[21:35] <gerlowskija> Ok, just checking I didn't have environment problems.  Thanks for the sanity check!
[22:07] <rpadovani> daker, sorry for the late, but if you want a 'real' example of pagestack inside tabs with new header: https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/reminders-app/newHeader
[22:07] <rpadovani> you have to resize the app in phone mode
[22:07] <rpadovani> (just set a less width)
[22:07] <daker> ok thanks :)
[22:08] <rpadovani> and please leave a comment in the MR if something is broken :-)
[22:14] <t1mp> rpadovani: ahh I just got an update for reminders-app and it works now :) (I had problems with the account before)
[22:14] <rpadovani> yeah \o/
[22:14] <t1mp> rpadovani: I am working on search boxes in the new header :) maybe that will be interesting for your app too
[22:15] <rpadovani> t1mp, yes, sure, now there is an icon, it would be beatiful!
[22:16] <t1mp> rpadovani: https://www.dropbox.com/s/n3e60vwnu929ybn/Screenshot%202014-05-29%2000.16.13.png
[22:16] <t1mp> rpadovani: I am still prototyping, to figure out which API works best
[22:28] <nik90_> mhall119, popey: Who do I contact to host a hangout through ubuntu-on-air?
[22:28] <popey> nik90_: jose
[22:29] <nik90_> popey: thnx. Was making sure I contacted the right person.
[22:30] <nik90_> t1mp: wow it looks so awesome
[22:31] <t1mp> nik90_: :)
[22:31] <t1mp> nik90_: the branch is here in case you want to try it out - https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/110-headerInput
[22:31] <t1mp> nik90_: but beware that probably the API is going to change, I'm just testing now
[22:31] <nik90_> t1mp: hell yeah..will try it out tomorrow morning
[22:32] <t1mp> :)
[22:33]  * t1mp off now. Good night everyone
[23:45] <fdafweaf> Hi I've got a question about feedback I got submitting an app to the app store
[23:46] <fdafweaf> Where do I put the app icon?
[23:46] <fdafweaf> http://askubuntu.com/questions/417369/what-does-desktop-icon-mean/417370 doesn't specify
[23:46] <fdafweaf> popey, you're the one who answered the question, could you clarify it?
[23:47] <fdafweaf> Specifically Agmenor's request for clarification
[23:58] <popey> fdafweaf: hi
[23:58] <popey> just put the icon in the root directory of your app
[23:58] <fdafweaf> Ok
[23:58] <fdafweaf> Thanks
[23:58] <popey> and set Icon=foo.png
[23:58] <popey> e.g. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/bbcnewswebapp/view/head:/bbcnews.desktop


[09:08] <phurl> hey all
[09:09] <phurl> anyone want to man an ubuntu table on august 29/30
[09:09] <phurl> in prishtina
[19:39] <phurl> anyone want to man an ubuntu table on august 29/30 in prishtina
[23:32] <johnc4510> The  newest issue of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available:
[23:32] <johnc4510> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue151


[03:06] <kbmonkey> Hello all o/
[05:52] <inetpro> hi kbmonkey
[06:03] <kbmonkey> I am happy to see the za chan is back on irc inetpro. Back in July when I registered on libera I did not see it. I need to be on irc more often now :)
[06:09] <kbmonkey> Kilos, I hope you are keeping well and my compliments of the season to you and your family!
[06:10] <inetpro> we pretty much moved soon after the big drama happened which prompted the migration to libera.chat
[06:10] <inetpro> https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php
[06:10] <Kilos> morning guys
[06:10] <Kilos> thank you kbmonkey
[06:11] <Kilos> hi goosie
[06:11] <Kilos> nog n jaar agter die rug
[06:11] <Kilos> you guys are getting old now
[06:12] <inetpro> hi Kilos
[06:12]  * inetpro rushing to get ready for work, wbbl
[06:13] <Kilos> go safe its wet outside


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[12:21] <blahdeblah> Is there a way to clear out a .orig.tar.xz file from a PPA which resulted in a failed build from a source package?  I created the .orig.tar.xz incorrectly the first time and I don't want to have to bump the upstream version just to fix it.
[12:23] <cjwatson> No
[12:24] <cjwatson> Adding something like +repack1 to the end of the upstream part of the version is pretty normal in this sort of situation
[15:48] <PotentialUser-4> Hello, question about build dependency for deb package building: Is it possible preinstall dart (or flutter) if I have .dart sources? (I've tried to download dartlang deb (also tried 'snap install flutter') at building stage, but it doesn't work)
[15:49] <cjwatson> PotentialUser-4: you should use Build-Depends for that sort of thing
[15:50] <cjwatson> we don't preinstall anything for anyone, outside of a small base system.  everyone has to use Build-Depends for what they need
[15:50] <cjwatson> you can only build-depend on .debs that are in Ubuntu or in your PPA (or in another PPA if you use "Edit PPA dependencies" to specify it)
[15:52] <PotentialUser-4> @cjwatson how can I add dart or flutter to 'Build-depends', if flutter is present in snap package (or dart deb from external repo)?
[15:52] <cjwatson> you can't - it has to be in one of the places I listed above
[15:56] <PotentialUser-4> @cjwatson "you can only build-depend on .debs that are in Ubuntu or in your PPA", so that there's no chance to build binary from .dart sources? (even though it can be built on the local machine with installed flutter/dart)
[15:57] <cjwatson> If you can get dart into a PPA somehow, then you can do it
[15:57] <cjwatson> I don't know what that would involve
[15:58] <cjwatson> Or find an existing PPA that contains the stuff you need, since you might not be the first person with the same problem
[16:00] <PotentialUser-4> @cjwatson unfortunatelly, I cannot find out that, even cannot find out the way how to do "get dart into PPA"
[16:01] <cjwatson> Sorry, not something I can help with, all I can do is tell you the constraints
[16:03] <PotentialUser-4> I've .deb from dart sources that was built on github with workflow action, but there's no repo there. With launchpad I've a repo, but cannot build .dart sources here.)
[16:04] <PotentialUser-4> @cjwatson Thank you anyway for some hints
[16:05] <cjwatson> You might try asking the Ubuntu desktop team to see if they've done anything with .debs built using flutter
[16:07] <PotentialUser-4> Ubuntu offers snap packaging system, and I've successfully built these sources on snapcraft with packaging into .snap. There's I thought to build .deb...
[16:09] <cjwatson> Snaps are often based on .debs, but there's no support for the other way round
[16:12] <PotentialUser-4> a bit odd that I can easily build deb package on a local machine (and on github too btw), only lack of building tools can prevent it
[16:12] <cjwatson> There's simply no definition for the equivalent of build-depends where the target is snaps, even if we wanted to allow it to work that way round (which is unclear)
[16:17] <PotentialUser-4> idk, something like 'Build-depends: snapd" plus "snap install -y flutter" would be enough to have dart/flutter accessible
[16:18] <cjwatson> Sorry, this is the way it is and is fairly unlikely to change, you're going to have to work out how to fit into it
[16:18] <cjwatson> Builds don't have enough permissions to do snap install and we don't want to give that to them
[16:19] <cjwatson> Even if we did, we'd have to do a bunch of work to make it impossible for builds for Ubuntu itself, where this would be forbidden by policy
[16:20] <PotentialUser-4> Okay, thank you for clarifying details
[21:22] <blahdeblah> cjwatson: thanks


[00:47] <newbie|4> Is there a PPA for KVIRC?. I see KVIRC 4.20 is out now.
[00:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh wow. I've used that in windows, but never in linux. lol
[00:53] <Poisoned_Dragon> Where have I been?
[00:55] <valorie> $ apt-cache policy kvirc
[00:55] <valorie> kvirc:
[00:55] <valorie>   Installed: (none)
[00:55] <valorie>   Candidate: 4:4.2.0-2
[00:55] <FloodBotK1> valorie: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:55] <valorie> no ppa needed
[00:55] <Poisoned_Dragon> cool
[00:55] <valorie> fine, FloodBotK1
[00:55]  * valorie goes off to dinner
[00:55] <Poisoned_Dragon> But, he's gone
[00:55] <Poisoned_Dragon> too impatient.
[01:07] <fabio123> qtcurve vs oxygen-gtk http://pastebin.com/NF5jd7fr
[01:48] <naught101> I'm trying to install kubuntu with manual partitioning (trying to keep windows), on a hp 2000, which has EFI. Install appears to work, but thne when I start the computer, I get a grub terminal, and it doesn't boot to kubuntu
[01:49] <naught101> I've tried the install a few times, with the boot loader installed to /dev/sda, and to /dev/sda1, which is an EFI partition (although it's not at the start of the drive - does that matter?
[01:50] <naught101> I've also tried fixing it with boot-repair
[01:50] <naught101> twice, with different options. No joy.
[01:51] <naught101> Anyone know what the problem might be?
[02:09] <lars__> hi there
[02:10] <lars__> is there anyone here?
[02:10] <lars__> is this the support channel?
[02:11] <lars__> I don¨t see anyone talking here
[02:12] <lars__> there are so many users on the list
[02:12] <lars__> like a hundred or more
[02:12] <lars__> but no one is chatting
[02:13] <lars__> wow, 252 users, but no one is chatting
[02:18] <lars__> testing kubuntu channel
[02:19] <lars__> Wow, this is really weird
[02:19] <lars__> no one here is chatting
[02:21] <jackyalcine> lars__: people have lives
[02:21] <jackyalcine> we don't all just sit in front of a computer all day
[02:21] <jackyalcine> well, I do
[02:21] <jackyalcine> but I'm not speaking for everyone :)
[02:35] <valorie> lars__: this is a help channel, not a chat chan
[02:35] <valorie> if you want off-topic, try #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:56] <Strepi> alguem ?
[04:31] <dcmNindy_> any idea's on my dell xps laptop kubuntu 12.04LTS, kde login hangs on tty7 (kde default gear screen never finishes) but x does load on tty8.  X is not fully functional on tty8 but kde menu and docky do work.
[04:38] <valorie> dcmNindy_: is this a new laptop?
[04:44] <dcmNindy_> 2nd gen i7
[04:53] <jackyalcine> sounds shiny
[04:53] <jackyalcine> can you go into a tty and check X's log?
[04:58] <dcmNindy_> love the screen and backlit keys and it's an ebay score...yes i can, the system seems fully functional from tty8 except for some quirky X actions (screen saver in a xterm frame)
[05:02] <dcmNindy_> i did look at some X related logs suggested a few days go; but did not see anything from my inexperenced eyes. up until two days ago the kde menu would not come up in tty8; but after update / upgrade from the package manager, the K menu came up in the tty8.
[05:05] <dcmNindy_> i'm something of a distro hopper and was hoping to settle in with kubuntu.  right now i'm working out of my mint15 partition but can access the kubuntu partition
[07:46]  * yossman waves
[07:47] <yossman> i just wanted to pass along, i just put kubuntu 12.04.3 onto this toshiba laptop i've been testing.. and out of the 10 distros 12 different kernel revisions, this one works the network hardware properly ;)
[07:47] <valorie> nice!
[07:48] <yossman> very pleased, thanks for the great work ;)
[07:48] <valorie> that's a rather old release, but I'm glad it's working for ya
[07:48] <yossman> 10 distros AND 12 different kernel revisions, rather
[07:49] <yossman> yea i prefer to the stick with the LTS releases, i have too many systems to be fighting with upgrade quirks all the time ;)
[07:50] <valorie> new LTS out in April
[07:54] <yossman> so strange about this particular laptop's network hardware.. i have a laptop almost identical to it, same model, slightly different submodel (basically made 11 months earlier) and i never had a problem with it's network hardware yet on any ubuntu past 10.10
[07:55] <yossman> the wired network card is the same chipset on both, but the wireless is different
[07:56] <valorie> weird
[07:56] <yossman> sometimes the wired network card would just stop passing packets, other times the entire system would lock hard and the video would go fuzzed out.  oh well, just very glad it seems to be working fine now ;)
[07:57] <yossman> anything using kernels higher than like 3.2.x seems to not like this hardware combination anymore, put it that way ;(
[07:59] <Okitain> my laptop doesn't like ubuntu with kernels >3.5.
[07:59] <Okitain> And linux with pretty much any kernel - it locks up the wireless sometimes.
[08:00] <yossman> Okitain its also difficult to figure out which kernel subversion threads to follow too, when many of them are in concurrent development ;/
[08:00] <yossman> the kernel that comes with ubuntu 12.04.3 is 3.2.0-52 and it's more recent than some of the 3.5 and 3.7 kernels i tried
[08:03] <Okitain> RH is famous for their 2.6.18 being basically 3.5 or so because of backporting.
[08:10] <yossman> huh, damn.
[08:10] <yossman> it just finally froze up on me, the laptop ;.
[08:10] <yossman> sigh back to the drawing board..
[08:11] <yossman> i thought i had this problem licked finally but i guess not ;(
[08:11] <yossman> froze up while browsing web pages.  if i only use wireless on the laptop, it never locks up like this
[08:11] <yossman> and i tested windows 7 on the hardware for a few days, never locked up once, grr
[08:16] <stmsgebjgd> you should try the newest kernel
[08:17] <stmsgebjgd> just compile the newest vanilla kernel on your kubuntu, it can solve lots of problems
[08:22] <naftilos76> Hi eveyone, i am on Kubuntu 13.10 and tried both nouveau and nvidia drivers. I want to go back to nouveau but could not do it. I tried purging nvidia drivers but i get a black display after next time booting. So i had to switch to another virtual terminal and reinstal nvidia drivers.
[08:26] <naftilos76> Hasn't anybody tried to go back to nouveau after installing nvidia drivers?
[08:27] <naftilos76> Anybody?
[08:27] <valorie> not sure, naftilos76
[08:27] <valorie> has anyone filed a bug about that?
[08:27] <valorie> umm
[08:27] <TheFakeazneD525> mew?
[08:28] <jackyalcine> valorie: this goes back to what we're saying in #kde, can't help everyone
[08:28] <TheFakeazneD525> So what's going on guys?
[08:29] <valorie> yeah
[08:29] <valorie> well, he could have quit by mistake
[08:29] <valorie> or so
[08:29] <jackyalcine> true
[08:30] <naftilos76> valorie: Sorry, i had to log out. Did anybody else repond?
[08:31] <jackyalcine> naftilos76: have you tried using jockey?
[08:32] <naftilos76> i have no idea what that is
[08:32] <jackyalcine> !info jockey-kde
[08:32] <valorie> i asked if a bug has been filed about this
[08:32] <valorie> if so, please add your info
[08:32] <valorie> if not, please file a bug
[08:33] <jackyalcine> indeedy
[08:34] <naftilos76> It seems i have to reinstall from scratch...Too sad. Kubuntu used to be my favorite.
[08:34] <jackyalcine> If this affects Kubuntu, it'd affect other *ubuntu; that's a driver issue
[08:35] <valorie> naftilos76: did you try using jockey, as jackyalcine suggested?
[08:36] <naftilos76> no i haven't because i do not know what it is
[08:36] <valorie> last time I tried it, it did the trick
[08:36] <jackyalcine> !info jockey-kde
[08:36] <jackyalcine> naftilos76: ^; it helps with driver management
[08:36] <jackyalcine> you'd have to run this from the TTY (Ctrl+F1 - Ctrl+F6)
[08:36] <naftilos76> well let me do a little search
[08:36] <jackyalcine> and use 'jockey-text'
[08:37] <jackyalcine> naftilos76: we'll be here
[08:37] <naftilos76> thank you man
[08:37] <jackyalcine> no problem
[08:37] <qdata> when nvidia driver installs it puts a blacklist on the nouveau module
[08:38] <qdata> use lsmod to see what you're loading
[08:39] <qdata> I've done the remove nvidia and reinstall nouveau before just don't remember everything I did
[08:41] <qdata> remove the nouveau blacklist and if you don't see it in lsmod you'll need to do mkinitrd to get it to load with the kernel at boot, that is, after an apt-get install nouveau
[08:41] <TheFakeazneD525> huh? Jockey?
[08:41] <jackyalcine> TheFakeazneD525: you never used jockey?
[08:41] <TheFakeazneD525> Yeah, that thing is buggy for me, if you must, use softwarecenter-gtk
[08:41]  * jackyalcine wonders why no one's heard of it? lol
[08:42] <TheFakeazneD525> it can handle the driver bits
[08:42] <TheFakeazneD525> albiet... the nvidia driver isn't building for me anymore...
[08:42] <TheFakeazneD525> well, not for the 3.13 kernel at least
[08:43] <jackyalcine> I really forget what version of Linux I run at times.
[08:43] <jackyalcine> 3.11
[08:54] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:22] <maurizio_> ciao
[10:40] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[11:04] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:45] <sergey> Hello everybody!
[11:47] <TheFakeazneD525> hi
[11:48] <lordievader> Hey sergey, TheFakeazneD525
[11:48] <TheFakeazneD525> ohj mai gawd someone ban saheb for a bit...
[11:49] <lordievader> saheb__: Please fix your connection.
[12:20] <naught101> I just installed 13.10, on a HP 2000 laptop (using the "use entire disk" partitioning option). When I start it now, it gets to a grub console, and goes no further. Anyone know how I can fix that?
[12:33] <BluesKaj> so wnat do get after clicking on kubuntu in grub, a blank screen with blinking cursor.....or?
[12:33] <BluesKaj> what
[12:33] <BluesKaj> naught101,^
[12:34] <jackyalcine> I don't think he's getting the boot menu selection; he might be in a rescue console
[12:34] <naught101> BluesKaj: no, there is no grub boot selection menu. I just get a grub command line
[12:34] <jackyalcine> naught101: do you know if your laptop requires UEFI booting?
[12:34] <BluesKaj> grub resccue ?
[12:35] <naught101> jackyalcine: yep.
[12:35] <jackyalcine> now, is Secure Boot enabled?
[12:35] <naught101> jackyalcine: maybe it's this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/343980/kubuntu-uefi-dual-boot-with-windows-7-failed-at-installing-grub-efi I might try 12.10, then upgrade
[12:35] <jackyalcine> if so, try disabling it and booting.
[12:35] <naught101> jackyalcine: no, secure boot was never enabled.
[12:36] <jackyalcine> hmmm
[12:40] <BluesKaj> naught101, I just used legacy mode. After wiping W8, then partitioning for dual boot with W7 and Linux, but if you want EFI then keep researching , a lot depends on your machine.
[12:41] <naught101> BluesKaj: mmm... I wanted to keep windows 8 on it, just in case, since there was a license for it (friend's computer, not mine).
[12:41] <naught101> now I've screwed that though :P
[12:41] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:47] <BluesKaj> naught101, you might fix the problem with boot-repair utility, worked for my setup several times
[12:48] <naught101> BluesKaj: I tried that twice, with different settings, and got the same (null) result each time...
[12:51] <BluesKaj> naught101, ok what about looking at the partitions and checking for the rescue partition and BCD, http://www.boyans.net/RepairWindows/RepairWindowsBCD.html
[12:53] <naught101> BluesKaj: they're all gone now. I didn't want to keep them that badly, so I wiped all of the partitions except the windows8 partition and the EFI partition, and used the space to install linux. I think that screwed up anyway, but since then I've just wiped the whole hard drive, and tried installing from scratch, and it still won't work.
[12:57] <BluesKaj> naught101, then I think the legacy mode will worj for you since EFI boot is gone
[12:59] <naught101> BluesKaj: I assumed that since the installer was booted in EFI mode, it would install an EFI partition when it re-partitioned (I don't know exactly what the guided options do).
[13:02] <BluesKaj> naught101, yes that's the assumption , usually correct, but noy in my case
[13:02] <BluesKaj> not
[13:02] <naught101> BluesKaj: righto, I will give legacy a go in the morning.
[13:41] <jhello> hello?
[13:42] <jhello> I am setting up nfs,what should I set the Domain in /etc/idmapd.conf?
[14:18] <vimar> I've messed my panel somehow, probably removed some widget and now some application lik Ktorent are not showed as minimalised.
[16:38] <jackyalcine> vijay13: you want the System Tray widget
[16:55] <krise> does anybody know how to set up Lemon POS
[17:19] <Shura> Hi, since last updates, my NFS shares are not auto mounted at boot. I have to "sudo mount -a" every time.
[17:20] <Shura> Is there a way to fix nfs mount or launch "sudo mount -a" after the boot (without entering the password) ?
[17:27] <BluesKaj> Shura, set it up in /etc/fstab , like so: nfs-server:/   /mnt   nfs    auto  0  0
[17:29] <BluesKaj> Shura, this is my reference URL for NFS setup, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[17:29] <Shura> BluesKaj: Yes, that's the way i set it up. It'as been like that for years, and now, since 1 or 2 weeks, it doesn't mount anymore. But fstab is still ok beacause when I mount -a it works fine
[17:30] <Shura> That's weird
[17:43] <walcol> hallo
[18:40] <Engel> hello, I got a question about Kate: is it possible to run my javascript into it ?
[18:40] <Engel> sorry if it's stupid but i didn't found the answer
[18:42] <BluesKaj> Engel, yes
[18:42] <Engel> BluesKaj: how can I do ?
[18:44] <BluesKaj> Engel, http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/applications/kate/dev-scripting.html
[18:45] <Engel> I already saw that, but that's for scripting in Kate
[18:45] <Engel> what I need is to execute my javascript
[18:45] <Engel> inside Kate
[18:46] <Engel> instead of a browser for exemple
[19:02] <BluesKaj> Engel, ok sorry I misunderstood your question
[19:03] <Engel> BluesKaj: no prob, it seems that's not really possible in Kate to do it
[19:03] <Engel> thanks anyway :)
[19:04] <lordievader> Engel: I'm just being curious, why do you want Kate to run Javascript?
[19:05] <Engel> I like to use Kate but I'm not familiar at all with js, I was just wondering what's the best solution to code in ecmascript
[19:08] <lordievader> Engel: It calls itself the
[19:09] <lordievader>  'language of the web', wouldn't it be a better idea to install apache or lighthttpd?
[19:32] <Engel> lordievader: I found what I looked for: http://jsfiddle.net/ :)
[19:32] <Engel> but thxs !
[20:29] <sanya> у кого звуковая HDA Intel может кто подскажет , у меня микрофон не роботает
[20:29] <Unit193> !ru
[20:43] <lynn_> I'd like to know why Kubuntu recommends its 32-bit version when the 64-bit one is available for a 64-bit system.
[20:47] <lordievader> lynn_: There was a discussion about it a few months back: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2013-September/007305.html
 what was the result, consensus (?) of that discussion?
[20:55] <lordievader> lynn_: Err, can't remember. Thought it had to do with supporting older pc's.
  Sorry.  I just saw your link.  I've clicked it and now will read it.  Thanks.
[20:56] <lordievader> lynn_: No problem.
  However, do you know of any real reason not to use the 64-bit version on a powerful enough 64-bit machine?
[20:57] <lordievader> lynn_: Driver compatibility (though you shouldn't face that nowadays). If your machine only has 2GB of ram 32bit is in some cases faster than 64bit.
[20:57] <lordievader> lynn_: I'd say if you can go 64bit, go 64bit.
[20:58] <ElTimo> KDE keeps erasing my audio settings every half hour or so.
[20:59] <ElTimo> How do I make it not do that so I can get through my day without hurling my computer through a wall?
[20:59] <lynn_> lordiever:  I have the capacity for 4GB of ram but am down ot three now.    Shouldn't that be ok?'
[20:59] <lordievader> lynn_: I'm not really sure what you are planning.
[20:59] <lynn_> But I'm thinking of putting it on my auxiliary unit, which has only two gigs of ram.  I guess you'd suggest the 32-bit version for that one, eh?
[21:00] <lordievader> lynn_: For two GB it doesn't really matter. Both will do.
[21:00] <lordievader> (If the cpu supports it, that is)
[21:00] <lynn_> Ah, the cpu does support it; it's a 64-bit system, too.
[21:02] <lynn_> lordievader:  I see that you're in the Netherlands.  Did you see Amira Willighagen's performances on HGT?
[21:03] <lynn_> That's Holland's Got Talent.
[21:03] <lordievader> lynn_: Never heard of her, but that is more a topic for #kubuntu-devel
[21:04] <lynn_> What is #kubuntu-devel?  Wouldn't that be for developers?
[21:04] <lordievader> lynn_: Err that should be #kubuntu-offtopic ... -.-
[21:05] <lynn_> Ah, ok.
[21:05] <lordievader> Suppose my mind if falling asleep.
[21:05] <lynn_> Nah, you're good.
[21:06] <lynn_> Anyway, thanks.  I believe you've answered my question.
[22:52] <z3r0> Hi can someone help me (hi kann mir jemand bei einem Problem helfen)
[22:53] <z3r0> Trotzdem das ich libdvd css installiert habe kann ich keine dvds abspielen
[22:53] <z3r0> kennt sich da jemand aus
[22:54] <z3r0> I have install Libdvdcss but dvd playback dont work is there some one who can help me THX
[23:03] <elfadili> Hi =)
[23:34] <tertu> so I'm trying to set up a shared connection
[23:35] <tertu> in an attempt to allow wireless devices to use my ethernet connection
[23:35] <tertu> problem is i cannot figure out how to enable the shared connection.
[23:35] <tertu> it doesn't show up in the list and there's no way to enable it from the connection editor.
[23:53] <Dutchman> It's not quite that easy to do tertu, but here's a link that will help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
[23:57] <tertu> the problem is
[23:57] <tertu> i can create an adhoc connection
[23:57] <tertu> i cannot enable it
[23:58] <Dutchman> Are you trying as root, or as your user?


[20:16] <Zentaur> hello
[20:17] <Zentaur> I've got a doubt with thunderbird that maybe someone here could solve :)
[20:18] <Zentaur> I have a computer at home and a laptop both with ubuntu and thunderbird
[20:18] <Zentaur> I want to receive the same mails in both computers and also have the same sent mails synchronized.
[20:19] <Zentaur> I read that IMAP is the best for it bu t I want to download the mails to read tem offline.
[20:19] <Zentaur> Ok I know how to do that, but I also need to erase them from the server every 20 days
[20:20] <Zentaur> but I want to keep a copy in thunderbird in both computers. Does anybody know how to do that?
[20:47] <Zentaur> anybody there?


[08:25] <hotero> hello, my ubuntu precise newest uiquity (.29) installer hangs - I see the keyboard config screen, and I see that user-setup-ask uses about 40% of my CPU
[08:28] <hotero> syslog and debug log as well as --debug do not give hint
[12:18] <hotero> hello,  my ubuntu precise newest uiquity (.29) installer hangs - I see the keyboard config screen, and I see that user-setup-ask uses about 40% of my CPU
[12:23] <hotero> when I disable the user-creation plugin (I use "remastersys backup" so I already have a user in /home), I get further, but the installer crashes at end, with plugininstall.py trowing an exception back to /apt/cache.py saying "24: too many open files" in
[20:43] <Teduardo> Was there a new netboot image spun for 12.04.4?
[20:43] <Teduardo> i still see the old one from Jan10th which has no hardware support for anything useful