[03:35] <valorie> ok, finally found the email and voted
[06:27] <yofel> morning
[06:42] <DarkwingDuck> mornin
[06:43] <valorie> how can it be morning?
[06:44] <valorie> that's backwards even for me
[06:44] <valorie> unless you are in India
[06:44] <valorie> or somethign
[06:44] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[06:44] <persia> It's later than that: it's morning in Europe already (albeit early).  Something about Daylight Savings Time
[06:44] <valorie> did you move to India without saying?
[06:44] <valorie> lol
[06:44] <valorie> PERSIA!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:44] <DarkwingDuck> nawww
[06:45] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}
[06:45] <DarkwingDuck> persia: hows life?
[06:45] <valorie> so nice to see you here
[06:45] <valorie> and know you survived the earthquake and all
[06:45] <persia> DarkwingDuck, Fairly boring (which is a nice change).  For you?
[06:46] <DarkwingDuck> persia: things are looking up. have a second interview this week sometime
[06:46] <persia> valorie, Well, one more sense down.  3 to go?
[06:46] <persia> DarkwingDuck, Oh, nice!
[06:46] <DarkwingDuck> persia:  ypu, the canonical qa position
[06:46] <valorie> lol
[06:47] <DarkwingDuck> qa community position
[06:47] <valorie> cool, DarkwingDuck!
[06:47] <persia> Oh.  Interesting.
[06:47] <valorie> I did see a nice photo of you and Harald, Persia
[06:47] <valorie> the Men in Black
[06:47] <DarkwingDuck> Jono liked the first interview so i get a second one
[06:48] <valorie> would be excellent to get more Kub. people in Canonical
[06:48] <DarkwingDuck> aye
[06:56] <yofel> heh
[06:56] <yofel> it's 7:56 here :P
[06:57] <valorie> :-)
[06:57] <valorie> I was just kidding around with DarkwingDuck
[06:57] <valorie> good $timeofday to you
[06:57] <valorie> :-)
[06:57] <yofel> :)
[07:35] <jussi> May I have my daily rant?
[07:36] <valorie> only if you pass out candy first
[07:36]  * valorie missed the jussi party at UDS
[07:36]  * jussi passes candy *and* cookies
[07:36] <valorie> wooooooooooooooooo
[07:37] <valorie> rant away!
[07:37] <jussi> anyway, so, my unuseful, crazy rant is that Kmail sucks. its slow, ugly and frustrating.
[07:37] <valorie> I soooo agree
[07:37] <Tm_T> jussi: which version?
[07:37] <jussi> not to mention annoying and unuserfriendly
[07:38] <valorie> I can't wait for a successful rollout of 2
[07:38] <valorie> used to be GREAT
[07:38] <valorie> the BEST
[07:38] <jussi> Kontact
[07:38] <jussi> Version 4.4.10
[07:38] <Tm_T> ah, the old one
[07:38] <Tm_T> have to agree in certain degree
[07:39] <jussi> I am this || close to finding out which ppa the new one is in and trying it on my production machine...
[07:39] <valorie> i want the new one
[07:39] <valorie> I have soooo much old mail, I think it will choke
[07:40] <Tm_T> I'm so unproductive with email that I can use development builds of Kmail without any worries (as long as it doesn't eat them entirely)
[07:40] <valorie> I have gmail and just use it on the web
[07:40] <valorie> after kmail stopped sending mail
[07:40] <valorie> it would get it find
[07:40] <valorie> fine
[07:41] <Tm_T> valorie: I think my Kmail holds some 40 000 mails or more, haven't choked yet
[07:41] <Tm_T> initial download was slow, ofcourse
[07:41] <jussi> I have 4 gmail/google accounts - you can only log into 3 at a time. so Im screwed with that...
[07:41] <jussi> (unless I use a client)
[07:42] <valorie> I think I have twice that
[07:42] <valorie> maybe I should learn how to zip some of that up
[07:43] <Tm_T> I should learn to read my mails
[07:43] <valorie> there is only so much time in a day
[07:44] <valorie> I could spend all day on just email
[07:44] <Tm_T> that
[07:44] <valorie> that's not productive
[07:45] <jussi> ok, where is the ppa with new kontact in it...
[07:46] <yofel> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[07:46] <DarkwingDuck> does kmail2 work with imap yet?
[07:46] <yofel> wfm
[07:47] <yofel> I don't use it much though
[07:47] <DarkwingDuck> im tired of kmail
[07:48] <DarkwingDuck> was thinking mozilla
[07:49] <jussi> !ppa
[07:49] <yofel> I've been using thunderbird for years now, does all I need
[07:50] <yofel> and it actually quits when I close it..
[07:50] <DarkwingDuck> yeah?
[07:51] <yofel> well, bbl
[07:51] <jussi> !kppa is <reply>Kubuntu has several different PPA's for those who want to test or upgrade to the latest version. More information on the available Kubuntu PPA's can be found here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs
[07:51] <jussi> !kppa
[07:51] <jussi> :)
[07:52]  * yofel hugs jussi and vanishes
[07:53] <jussi> yofel: before you vanish, is kontact going to head to beta or backports soonish ?
[07:53] <jussi> and is it going to Oneiric?
[07:55] <yofel> not sure, afaik it should be released sometime soon, so oneiric probably, or backports together with 4.7 when it's out
[07:55] <DarkwingDuck> when is 4.7 due to drop?
[07:56] <yofel> http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.7_Release_Schedule
[08:00] <jussi> hrm, so it seems it should have gone beta already... therefore it should head to the beta repo, no?
[08:00] <jussi> shadeslayer: get on it! :D
[08:02] <Tm_T> DarkwingDuck: how it would not work with imap?
[08:02] <DarkwingDuck> Tm_T: last i checked it freaked out
[08:03] <Tm_T> hmmm, can't remember it doing that to me
[08:03] <Tm_T> but I use dimap
[08:04] <jussi> DarkwingDuck: hows your packaging training going?
[08:20] <DarkwingDuck> jussi: on hold till these interviews are over.
[08:20] <jussi> DarkwingDuck: fair enough.
[08:21] <DarkwingDuck> jussi: I really want and need this job LOL
[08:21] <jussi> DarkwingDuck: good luck!!
[08:22] <DarkwingDuck> jussi: Thanks mate
[08:29] <DarkwingDuck> Whoot, found yet another feature I LOVE about yakuake
[08:29] <DarkwingDuck> split windows
[08:30] <DarkwingDuck> kubotu: I voted
[08:30] <DarkwingDuck> no? Maybe?
[08:30] <DarkwingDuck> !vote
[08:30] <DarkwingDuck> One of these days I'll figure out how to use kubotu
[08:30] <Tm_T> kubotu: help
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[08:31] <Tm_T> awww
[08:36] <jussi> DarkwingDuck: --
[10:08] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: you need to order an i voted button
[10:08] <apachelogger> kubotu: order i voted button for DarkwingDuck
[10:08]  * kubotu hands DarkwingDuck a blue "I Voted" button with an annoyed rick on it.
[10:08] <kubotu> Thanks for voting -- The Illuminati
[10:08] <apachelogger> now you have got two of them
[10:09] <valorie> kubotu: order i voted button for valorie
[10:09]  * kubotu hands valorie a blue "I Voted" button with an annoyed rick on it.
[10:09] <kubotu> Thanks for voting -- The Illuminati
[10:09] <valorie> yay!
[10:13] <apachelogger> valorie: go to bed
[10:13] <valorie> in a minute!
[10:14] <valorie> and you should talk, my dear hypocrite
[10:14] <valorie> lol
[10:14] <Tm_T> apachelogger: son, that was rude
[10:15] <apachelogger> valorie: it is 11:15, I am supposed to be up!
[10:15] <apachelogger> Tm_T: depends on the POV
[10:15] <apachelogger> we should implement XPs way of dealing with overtime: no overtime
[10:18] <valorie> he knows me well, I stay up too late
[10:18] <valorie> but am soon going to bed
[10:21] <valorie> niters
[10:45] <ryrych> hello
[10:46] <ryrych> I’m coding web page for phonon that designed sheytan. http://ryrych.pl/null/phonon/
[10:46] <sheytan> apachelogger ^^
[10:46] <ryrych> could you tell me please what do you wish to have in text boxes?
[10:58] <apachelogger> phew
[10:58] <apachelogger> insanely hot in Graz today
[10:58] <apachelogger> ryrych: aloha
[10:58] <apachelogger> The User Base is the home for Phonon users and enthusiasts. It provides high quality information for end users on how to use Phonon.
[10:58] <apachelogger> The Tech Base is the primary place for high quality technical information about Phonon targeted at 3rd party developers.
[10:58] <ryrych> apachelogger: hey
[10:59] <apachelogger> If you are interested in joining the Phonon community and help making awesome things happen, the Community wiki is your place to start.
[10:59] <apachelogger> ryrych, sheytan: looks most awesome already :D
[11:01] <sheytan> apachelogger yeah :D
[11:01] <sheytan> now put it on phonon.kde.org and share the news :D
[11:11] <ryrych> apachelogger: ah, please give me the links to these pages: userbase, etc :)
[11:11] <apachelogger> ryrych: userbase.kde.org - techbase.kde.org - community.kde.org
[11:12] <apachelogger> sheytan: first I need to find out who controls that site ^^
[11:15] <jussi> A guy on -power-users just posted a link to a Marlin screenshot, (http://imagebin.org/154596), which seems to be just a gtk dolphin clone. There was one thing though that I liked, which is the "open with" thing on the right. any way we can get that in dolphin?
[11:16] <apachelogger> design fail
[11:17] <apachelogger> jussi: entirely possible, question is if peter wants it in dolphin at all
[11:17] <apachelogger> bugs.kde.org is your friend ^^
[11:17] <jussi> apachelogger: I thought it would be more a dolphine plugin, no?
[11:18] <apachelogger> jussi: that implies that there is a plugin system for adding stuff ot the info panel
[11:18] <jussi> oh?
[11:19] <apachelogger> which is not there and IMHO does not have sufficient use case
[11:20] <jussi> ok
[11:23] <apachelogger> sheytan: found sysadmin, stuff is moving :D
[11:24] <ryrych> apachelogger: is Phonon opensource or more specifically Free software?
[11:24] <ryrych> if the latter, sheytan used GNU logo and wrote about OS
[11:24] <ryrych> for some fanboys it is deadly sin :D
[11:28]  * apachelogger notes that he also did not like that :P
[11:28] <apachelogger> if you say open source, then use the OSI logo rather than GNU, of course the OSI logo does not go well with the site color wise
[11:30] <apachelogger> ryrych: so, to answer your question it is free software :)
[11:30] <apachelogger> by the definition of free software it is also open source though, so... *shrug*
[11:31] <sheytan> apachelogger: so, can i leave the gnu logo or should i use osi?
[11:32] <apachelogger> stay with gnu
[11:34] <apachelogger> ryrych: if you send me a zip/tar/whatever I can push it to our repository now
[11:34] <apachelogger> or if you by any chance have KDE commit access you could do that too I suppose :)
[11:34] <apachelogger> sheytan, ryrych: <bcooksley> apachelogger: btw, very cool looking site
[11:35] <ryrych> apachelogger: basically it is finished :)
[11:35] <apachelogger> ryrych: ok, send it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and I'll get it uploaded
[11:35] <apachelogger> server part is also ready, so I suppose we only need to switch the DNS record around :)
[11:36]  * sheytan & ryrych rock!
[11:36] <apachelogger> indeed
[11:36] <apachelogger> sheytan++
[11:36] <apachelogger> ryrych++
[11:36] <Tm_T> what about me?
[11:36] <ryrych> I’m glad that I could add my 0.3$ :D
[11:38] <apachelogger> Tm_T: isn't my continous love enough, mom?
[11:39]  * apachelogger is very jumpy as he is waiting for ryrych's mail ^^
[11:39] <Tm_T> hehe
[11:42] <ryrych> apachelogger: check your inbox :D
[11:44] <sheytan> apachelogger: you can blog about it, so it will be on planetkde. That way everybody will know about it :D
[11:45] <apachelogger> yeah, thought the same thing 5 minutes ago :P
[11:46] <danimo> debfx: hi
[11:47] <danimo> debfx: I am about to merge your request 328 into Qt Creator
[11:47] <debfx> danimo: hi
[11:48] <danimo> debfx: let me guess: before that patch you had some funny script in the Creator package to achieve the same?
[11:48] <danimo> (or patch)
[11:49] <debfx> cool :)
[11:49] <debfx> yeah I moved the icons around
[11:49] <danimo> debfx: the only thing that annoyed me a bit was that this patch adds new folders
[11:49] <danimo> debfx: then again, given qmake it's the simplest way
[11:50] <debfx> danimo: I tried to leave the icons where they are but haven't found a good way to achieve that with qmake
[11:54] <apachelogger> sheytan, ryrych: http://phonon.kde.org/ (depending on your DNS server it might not yet be populated to the new address)
[11:55] <ryrych> apachelogger: I’ve sent you a small fix :D
[11:56] <apachelogger> sheytan: btw, perhaps we should change the icons for the 3 wikis (having a caucasian male for all three seems a bit odd IMHO)
[11:56] <danimo> debfx: I think yours is also the first contribution to be reviewed via the the new codereview system :)
[11:57] <sheytan> apachelogger that's the fix ryrych is talking about
[11:58] <apachelogger> ah
[11:58]  * apachelogger waits a bit then ^^
[11:58] <debfx> danimo: heh, where is it? I only see the merge request on gitorious
[11:59] <danimo> debfx: I haven't closed it yet
[11:59] <ryrych> apachelogger: I will send subsequent ‘patches’  to your e-mail when I notice them, ok?
[11:59] <apachelogger> ryrych: sure, great :)
[11:59] <danimo> debfx: and it takes the usual 60 mins to show up on gitorious
[11:59] <ryrych> apachelogger: fine, so bye for now!
[12:00] <apachelogger> ryanakca: thank you, see you :)
[12:01] <danimo> debfx: just closed the merge request
[12:01] <sheytan> how do i see replays to me fron identi.ca web?
[12:07] <debfx> danimo: thanks :)
[12:07] <debfx> is the review system publicly accessible?
[12:16] <apachelogger> sheytan: I am bloggin, yet I Should be learing, thanks very much :P
[12:18] <sheytan> apachelogger you're welcome :)
[12:37] <danimo> debfx: no, not yet
[12:37] <danimo> debfx: but it will
[12:37] <danimo> debfx: we'll blog about it shortly
[12:48] <apachelogger> somehow I get to put a lot more blog posts into the wdp category than ever before
[12:48] <apachelogger> supposedly a good sign
[13:17] <kaleo> hi
[13:18] <ScottK> kaleo: Welcome.
[13:18] <kaleo> thank you
[13:18] <ScottK> Everyone: kaleo works on unity-2d and will likely want to get some changes done on our Qt packages to help minimize the amount of space it takes on the Ubuntu CD.
[13:19] <persia> Would we expect that to be a similar modularisation to that we were discussing for Mobile?
[13:20] <ScottK> My guess is related, but not the same.
[13:21] <ScottK> kaleo: Even if you don't end up being the one doing the packaging changes, you're still welcome to hang out.
[13:21] <ScottK> agateau can tell you we don't bite.
[13:22] <kaleo> ScottK: thanks :)
[14:15] <debfx> afiestas: does kamoso have a website or anything that announces new versions?
[14:17] <danimo> debfx: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/23/gerrit-joined-the-qt-creator-project/
[14:17] <danimo> debfx: your change should also be in the public repo now
[14:55] <shadeslayer> debfx: yes, lemme get the link
[14:56] <shadeslayer> debfx: and  for some reason ...i didn't notice qt-gstreamer was in universe altho i'm sure i checked it during the MIR and i saw it was in main :S
[15:01] <shadeslayer> debfx: i got the tar from http://kde.mirror.aussiehq.net.au/stable/kamoso/2.0/src/
[15:02] <shadeslayer> that's all that afiestas gave me ^_^
[15:02] <debfx> danimo: aha, interesting
[15:02] <debfx> next qt creator needs a desktop file :)
[15:03] <debfx> shadeslayer: yeah I've found that too but I was looking for an actual website :)
[15:05] <shadeslayer> debfx: all i could find was the page on kde-apps
[15:06] <persia> So, I'd like to install Kubuntu on a netbook from a debootstrap environment.  As a result, I won't be running the regular installer.  Do I need to do anything special to get the Netbook interface, or just install the kubuntu-desktop task and let it notice the lack of pixels?
[15:06] <debfx> afiestas: the kamoso 2.0.1 tarball doesn't have a po/ dir
[15:06] <maco> persia: should just notice the lack of pixels
[15:07] <maco> persia: if not, then you can pick between desktop & netbook interface (my netbook is highe res than my 15" laptop) in System Settings -> Workspace
[15:07] <persia> I'd argue that you have a small laptop and a large netbook, but then I generally believe functionality beats form :)  Thanks.
[15:08] <maco> hehe, but the 13 and 15 inch laptops (1280x800) can compile things in about 1/10 the time the 1336x768 netbook can
[15:08] <afiestas> debfx: 2.0.2 on its way
[15:08] <afiestas> brb
[15:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: if I say muon 3 times in front of a mirror, will a cow appear?
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> wow, everybody pings me the exact moment I wake up and start responding to pings that came throughout the night :P
[15:31] <Quintasan> \o
[15:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it is not supposed to make that sound, you leave the brakes on
[15:32] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[15:32] <JontheEchidna> but I like that sound :'(
[15:32] <apachelogger> :D
[15:34] <danimo> debfx: it exists -- in the installer generator :(
[15:34] <danimo> debfx: but we can add it, sure
[15:35] <danimo> debfx: I added loads of stuff to make creator's make install more FDO compliant
[15:35] <danimo> debfx: but it wasn't picked up for a long time
[15:35] <danimo> debfx: and bit-rotted
[15:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-NOltWYsJw
[15:38] <apachelogger> the youtubez makes you see awesome without having to digg through billions of files with other awsome
[15:40] <Quintasan> apachelogger: about persia's question, shouldn't Plasma automagically detect that the screen resolution is netbookish and ask user if he want's Netbook interface?
[15:40] <apachelogger> ask the user anything := fail
[15:41] <shadeslayer> No more VHDL
[15:41] <persia> I think that should only happen if the user has not previously expressed a preference.  I'd be rather annoyed if I started getting different interfaces depending on whether I had a monitor attached.
[15:41] <shadeslayer> my head might just explode
[15:41] <Quintasan> Hmm, true
[15:42] <Quintasan> kubotu: medal for Quintasan
[15:42] <apachelogger> persia: I do not think that is the case, unless you turn off the the netbook screen
[15:42] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: sneaky
[15:42] <persia> apachelogger, Some hardware does that automatically when you attach an external screen.
[15:42] <Quintasan> apachelogger: how does one get button from kubotu?
[15:43] <apachelogger> kubotu: order i voted button for Quintasan
[15:43]  * kubotu hands Quintasan a blue "I Voted" button with an annoyed rick on it.
[15:43] <kubotu> Thanks for voting -- The Illuminati
[15:43] <Quintasan> :O
[15:43] <apachelogger> persia: I am not saying it isn't a valid concern, just that it should not happen ;)
[15:44] <persia> Oh, I agree it should not happen.
[15:44] <apachelogger> persia: do you know it happens?
[15:44] <shadeslayer> oh i should vote for the council
[15:44] <apachelogger> because I believe we pull some copy magic to actually make plasma-netbook permanent no matter what the screen dimension is
[15:44] <apachelogger> though settings will be foobared
[15:44] <persia> I know that some hardware defaults to turning off the local screen when a remote screen is attached.  Such hardware tends to be less expensive than hardware that can drive two screens, so tends to end up in certain classes of equipment.
[15:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: make sure to rank me first and Quintasan last
[15:45] <shadeslayer> Quintasan isn't on the list
[15:45] <persia> Sometimes such hardware can be forced to behave properly with useful free drivers and shared system RAM, but not all hardware has such drivers.
[15:46] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I thought we wanted more non-developers on KC so I did not apply :)
[15:46] <shadeslayer> done
[15:46] <apachelogger> Quintasan: hence I told shadeslayer to rank you last :P
[15:46] <jussi> I voted...
[15:46] <apachelogger> kubotu: order i voted botton for jussi
[15:46]  * kubotu slides i voted botton down the bar to jussi
[15:46] <apachelogger> oh
[15:46] <apachelogger> typoz
[15:46] <Quintasan> jussi: late ping :P
[15:46] <apachelogger> kubotu: order i voted button for jussi
[15:46]  * kubotu hands jussi a blue "I Voted" button with an annoyed rick on it.
[15:46] <kubotu> Thanks for voting -- The Illuminati
[15:46] <apachelogger> kubotu: order i voted button for shadeslayer
[15:46]  * kubotu hands shadeslayer a blue "I Voted" button with an annoyed rick on it.
[15:46] <kubotu> Thanks for voting -- The Illuminati
[15:47] <shadeslayer> ooh
[15:47] <jussi> Quintasan: Im on mobile, but will ping soon.
[15:47] <Quintasan> jussi: Could not poke you earlier since school = tests = if you take out your phone and teacher sees it == confiscated
[15:48] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: there's no blink in debian
[15:48] <apachelogger>  /me goes looking for code
[15:48] <apachelogger> today really is typo day
[15:49] <apachelogger> or I had too much coffee
[15:49] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: seprate repo tho ...
[15:49] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I told you, what did you read it as?
[15:49] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you said that blink was packaged in debian
[15:49] <Quintasan> I said it was packaged in THEIR Debian repository
[15:49] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:50] <Quintasan> PROTIP: everyone can host Debian repository
[15:50] <shadeslayer> i just read that as blink was IN the debian repo ... like official package and such
[15:51] <apachelogger> that is the ultimate target here I believe
[15:51] <Quintasan> Not happening, tumbleweed wouldn't like another strange python package without official maintainer :D
[15:51] <shadeslayer> hehe
[15:51] <shadeslayer> there you have it jussi
[15:52] <shadeslayer> no blink for ya
[15:52] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: even has some weird repo .. darcs
[15:52] <apachelogger> darcs is not weird
[15:52] <shadeslayer> s/repo/rev. control system
[15:52] <apachelogger> just crap
[15:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i've never heard of it
[15:52] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Isn't that making it even worse? :D
[15:52] <persia> Why "without official maintainer"?  Would the people who already packaged it be willing to maintain it?
[15:52] <apachelogger> that is because you never read no nothing
[15:52] <apachelogger> dcars was very popular amongst certain kind of people
[15:53] <Quintasan> persia: if they were willing I think they would have already submitted it :)
[15:53] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Contact upstream first, maybe they are too lazy or don't know how to do it
[15:53] <persia> Quintasan, You presume that everyone understands the Debian social processes.
[15:53] <Quintasan> persia: See line above :)
[15:53] <apachelogger> considering they know how to package in such a way that they can build for multiple distros and multiple series I'd argue that they do have the knowledge
[15:54] <Quintasan> +1
[15:54]  * Quintasan bets on "too lazy"
[15:54]  * apachelogger bets on "don't give a rats behind"
[15:55]  * apachelogger just got lost in what appears to be very old kde code
[15:56] <shadeslayer> huh
[15:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: apparetly TI is going to release video drivers in a couple of months now instead of weeks
[15:57] <shadeslayer> ( for the pandaboard )
[15:57]  * jussi just grumbles
[15:57] <apachelogger> does not compute
[15:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: current natty video drivers for pandaboard are shot
[15:58] <apachelogger> they have a pvr driver for omap4 in their ppa, dont they?
[15:58] <shadeslayer> don't work etc
[15:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: doesn't work like the maverick one, loads of regressions etc
[15:58] <shadeslayer> a couple of days back they wrote that the new drivers will be released in a couple of weeks
[15:58] <jussi> shadeslayer: "no blink for me" isnt acceptable. at least put it in a ppa for me... :D
[15:59] <shadeslayer> now its a couple of months
[15:59] <shadeslayer> jussi: oh i can do that
[15:59] <shadeslayer> jussi: but first i'm going to contact upstream
[15:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: where?
[15:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where what?
[15:59] <jussi> shadeslayer: !! Excellent.
[15:59] <apachelogger> where they be announcing such things
[16:00] <shadeslayer> on their google groups mailing list
[16:00] <shadeslayer> one sec
[16:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/msg/9ddc308c20567247?dmode=source
[16:02] <shadeslayer> or rather http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/msg/9ddc308c20567247? :P
[16:04] <apachelogger> oh
[16:04] <apachelogger> float on
[16:04] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTAud5O7Qqk
[16:06] <shadeslayer> you mean photon :P
[16:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw did your welcome package arrive?
[16:07] <apachelogger> no, what package?
[16:07] <jussi> sooo... we have gone from 1 to 2 meego phones planned (link, in finnish: http://www.mobiiliblogi.com/2011/05/22/nokian-meego-puhelin-kehittajille-qwertylla-kuluttajille-ilman/ )
[16:07] <jussi> anyway, Im off
[16:07] <shadeslayer> jussi: LG is also making meego devices IIRC
[16:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: gsoc welcome package
[16:07] <apachelogger> I got one last year
[16:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: for this year ^_^
[16:08] <apachelogger> so I'd be twice as welcome?
[16:08] <shadeslayer> yes :D
[16:08] <apachelogger> that is a bit unfair perhaps
[16:11] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: are you going to https://desktopsummit.org/program?
[16:12] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: maybe
[16:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whats a AGM?
[16:12] <shadeslayer> GNOME and KDE AGMs
[16:12] <apachelogger> overlord meeting
[16:13] <apachelogger> anual general meeting
[16:13] <shadeslayer> ah
[16:13] <shadeslayer> overlord meeting seems so evil :P
[16:13] <apachelogger> i.e. the elite gnome foundation has their tedious sitdown and the kde e.v. too :P
[16:13]  * apachelogger shall hope to be member so he can get bored there too :D
[16:13] <shadeslayer> got it
[16:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you could go wearing your pink hat and entertain everyone
[16:14] <Quintasan> :O
[16:15] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: what happened?
 apachelogger: you could go wearing your pink hat and entertain everyone
[16:15] <apachelogger> my kickass new bathing suit might be equally efficient
[16:15] <shadeslayer> ah ... yes
[16:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: probably
[16:16] <apachelogger> much like this one http://www.anthonyshaffer.co.uk/Pics/Screenplays/EvilSun15.JPG
[16:17] <apachelogger> also it has the advantage that I can drive out to the wannsee and go for a swim right after the AGM
[16:17] <apachelogger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gro%C3%9Fer_Wannsee
[16:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what does one do if qdbus cannot handle return types of a dbus method call?
[16:19] <apachelogger> depends on what you want to do :P
[16:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://api.syncevolution.org/#Session.GetDatabases
[16:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i have no idea what 's' and 'a(ssb)' are ....
[16:22] <apachelogger> better read some documentation then
[16:22] <apachelogger> (qdbusviewer should be able to print that)
[16:24] <yofel> o/
[16:24] <shadeslayer> hey hey yofel
[16:25] <yofel> it's far too sunny today to use the notebook outside here :(
[16:26] <apachelogger> at least you can carry your notebook outside
[16:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer can't do that I reckon
[16:27] <Quintasan> apachelogger: :D
[16:27] <yofel> ^^
[16:27] <shadeslayer> i can
[16:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i bet your laptop weighs as much as mine
[16:27] <shadeslayer> you had a Studio 17 iirc
[16:27] <shadeslayer> or was it a Studio 15?
[16:27] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[16:27] <apachelogger> certainly not 17
[16:28] <shadeslayer> 15 then ... lemme check dell's site :P
[16:28] <Quintasan> lol
[16:28] <apachelogger> lord dell calls
[16:28] <Quintasan> There is no way that apachelogger's laptop can weigh as much as shadeslayer's
[16:28] <Quintasan> apachelogger could hold it in one hand and show us the screen :P
[16:29] <apachelogger> yeah, it is very tiny
[16:29] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I can do that as well
[16:29] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: without risking muscle pain afterwards?
[16:29] <apachelogger> not without risking permanent spinal injury
[16:29] <Quintasan> :D
[16:30] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072221079_M77ku-A-LB
[16:30] <shadeslayer> altho yes, i do see better and lighter laptops now
[16:31] <shadeslayer> might get something light in a couple of months before DS
[16:31] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: You have your backpack providing you counterbalance :P
[16:31] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: the backpack was empty
[16:31] <Quintasan> plus, apachelogger held it using the top border of screen with no support :P
[16:31] <shadeslayer> i didn't have a proper case to carry my laptop, so carried it in my backpack
[16:32] <Quintasan> as in, not supporting it with forearm
[16:32] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: most of the weight comes from the battery, i've removed the battery now :P
[16:32] <shadeslayer> the battery charging port is dead, hence no use of the battery
[16:32] <Quintasan> someone, quickly pull out shadeslayer's power cable
[16:32] <Quintasan> :D
[16:32]  * apachelogger giggles away
[16:33] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yeah, that happens when there's a power outage here ^_^
[16:33] <debfx> danimo: too bad. where is installer generator?
[16:33]  * Quintasan can't remember a power outage
[16:34] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, my team of not so awesome has fallen asleep again and I do not have the motivation to yet again try to kickstart the awesomness
[16:34] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: come to india :P
[16:34] <yofel> we had one a while ago, sure was glad that my server was a notebook back then ^^
[16:34] <Quintasan> buy me an airplane ticket and I'm there
[16:34] <apachelogger> in india power is produced by rubbing monkeys I hear
[16:34] <yofel> lol
[16:35] <Quintasan> LO>
[16:35] <apachelogger> hence the unrelability
[16:35] <apachelogger> actually it is a rather awesome idea if you think about it
[16:35] <apachelogger> also the monkeys could get pleasure out of it...........
[16:35] <Quintasan> herp derp
[16:35] <shadeslayer> rubbing monkeys and making unicorns run
[16:36] <yofel> shadeslayer: get yourself your own monkey farm then :P
[16:37] <Quintasan> He will have to pay for bananas then
[16:37] <yofel> true
[16:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: loan me some unicorns from your unicorn stables
[16:38] <shadeslayer> i hear they poop gold
[16:41] <danimo> debfx: in a private repo :)
[16:43] <apachelogger> Quintasan: that is easily resolved by introducing banana farming to the list of possible excuses for not doing things ;)
[16:43] <danimo> debfx: also the shared mimetype info
[16:43] <danimo> debfx: along with xdg-desktop-install.sh
[16:43] <danimo> debfx: do you know anything about that?
[16:43] <apachelogger> yofel: your 4.6.3 commit prevents me form doing important work on not so important files
[16:43]  * danimo doubts it's meant to be used by proper packages
[16:44] <yofel> where?
[16:44] <apachelogger> workspace
[16:44] <apachelogger> I does not have a 4.6.3 tar ^^
[16:45] <yofel> the tars are in ninjas?
[16:45] <debfx> danimo: no, is that a script that installs those files?
[16:47]  * apachelogger notes that xdg-* stuff is legit to be bundled with software for distributability reasons
[16:47] <Nightrose> apachelogger: -.-
[16:47] <Nightrose> totally not awesome
[16:47] <apachelogger> it cannot be assumed that every system actually got them on board
[16:47] <apachelogger> so generally I'd argue that it would even be good practise to have an own copy on board in case the target system does not have it
[16:48] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I agree
[16:48] <yofel> hm, are we going to rename projects and add new ones for the git split or are we going to use packaging branches like lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kdeedu/marble-ubuntu ?
[16:48] <apachelogger> new projects/renamed projects
[16:49] <apachelogger> having multiple packaging branches like that breaks scriptability of things
[16:49] <yofel> true
[16:49] <apachelogger> + is less obvious to everyone who does not know that it is handled like that
[16:49] <apachelogger> more possibly anyone
[16:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: do we have a viable fix for the ntrack loop of death yet?
[16:50] <yofel> the fix should be in oneiric, and does seem to work fine here
[16:50] <yofel> at least it didn't hang up yet since the update
[16:50] <ScottK> apachelogger: It seems like the simple patch that's in -proposed works OK.
[16:50] <apachelogger> roger that
[16:51] <ScottK> asac was worried about it causing problems, but I haven't seen any one complain about it.
[16:51] <ScottK> I had problems with his more complex patch (see my PPA).
[16:51]  * apachelogger is more worried about having all of plasma freeze on you ^^
[16:52]  * ScottK didn't have that.
[16:53] <ScottK> My problem was it triggered a crash in kmail (due to an existing kmail bug).
[16:54] <danimo> debfx: yes
[16:54] <danimo> debfx: I can tar things up for you, but in general they are part of the opendesktop tools for 3rd party apps
[16:54] <danimo> debfx: freedesktop.org I mean
[16:55] <apachelogger> ScottK: on my netbook if I am connected to vpn, suspend, resume, all of plasma is rather frozen
[16:55] <ScottK> Yeah, that sounds like the ntrack thing.  Install the package from -proposed.
[16:56] <apachelogger> can we please adopt the meego login sound?
[16:58] <danimo> debfx: http://daniel.molkentin.de/.stuff/xdg-qtcreator.tar.gz
[16:58] <danimo> debfx: fyi
[16:58] <danimo> debfx: gotta run, bbl
[17:02] <shadeslayer> arf
[17:05] <shadeslayer> erm
[17:05] <shadeslayer> debfx: aroundd?
[17:05] <shadeslayer> -d
[17:06] <shadeslayer> debfx: seems the qt gstreamer package builds with tests off , i don't think that sits well with the MIR team
[17:09] <debfx> shadeslayer: does it build with tests enabled?
[17:09] <shadeslayer> debfx: i'm trying that
[17:16] <shadeslayer> debfx: nope, seems 2 of the tests fail : http://paste.ubuntu.com/611914/
[17:22] <shadeslayer>     QGst::ElementPtr e = QGst::ElementFactory::make("playbin2");  ... so that particular line is a issue for the ref test
[17:22]  * shadeslayer tries to fix
[17:23] <apachelogger> well
[17:24] <apachelogger> obvously the gstreamer plugin for playbin2 is not installed
[17:24] <apachelogger> so the fix would be to install that
[17:24] <apachelogger> which depending on the POV might not be worth the effort, as it is not strictly a build dependency
[17:25] <shadeslayer> hmm .. and what about the parsetest.cpp failiure ?
[17:25] <apachelogger> in that particular test I'd say that the test should warn but not fail
[17:26] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:26]  * apachelogger thinks the tests should be more self-contained by introducing fake elements that can be created with the factory
[17:27]  * apachelogger is a kent beck fanboy though, so he has distrubing opionions regarding unit tests
[17:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/611923/
[17:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh ... is playbin2 in the rygel packages or sth?
[17:31] <apachelogger> the who?
[17:32] <shadeslayer> rygel .. the UPnP media sharing framework thingy
[17:32] <apachelogger> blink
[17:32] <apachelogger> you are speaking nonesense right now
[17:33] <apachelogger> kubotu: google gstreamer api playbin2
[17:33] <kubotu> Results for gstreamer api playbin2: 1. playbin2 - GStreamer: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-base-plugins/html/gst-plugins-base-plugins-playbin2.html | 2. Release notes for GStreamer Base Plug-ins 0.10.26 "You will know ...: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/releases/gst-plugins-base/0.10.26.html
[17:33] <kubotu> 3. Release notes for GStreamer Base Plug-ins 0.10.23 "Emergency de ...: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/releases/gst-plugins-base/0.10.23.html
[17:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i don't see anything remotely associated with playbin2 and gst in our packages
[17:33] <shadeslayer> !find playbin2
[17:33] <shadeslayer> ...
[17:34] <apachelogger> phew
[17:34] <debfx> shadeslayer: the tests work fine when gstreamer0.10-plugins-base is installed
[17:34] <apachelogger> !find gstplaybin.so
[17:34] <debfx> I'll upload a new version with the tests enabled
[17:35] <apachelogger> someone file a bug report with upstream
[17:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: about what?
[17:35] <shadeslayer> alrighto
[17:35] <shadeslayer> debfx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/611923/
[17:35] <apachelogger> tests that test something else than what is to be tested are not good tests IMHO
[17:35] <persia> playbin is in the rygel bundle
[17:35] <debfx> shadeslayer: what about that?
[17:35] <shadeslayer> debfx: apachelogger said that it should be a warning instead of a failiure
[17:36] <apachelogger> also I said that the tests are crap
[17:37] <ScottK> Build tests shouldn't fail for missing runtime stuff.
[17:37] <apachelogger> they are not only testing the functionality of ref pointers and the like but the presence and successful facotrization of a bin that is not part of the test enviornment
[17:38] <debfx> I'd rather add a build-dependency than patch the tests
[17:38] <debfx> if someone cares enough about it, send a patch upstream
[17:39] <apachelogger> supposedly the factory part is a necessary evil that cannot be eliminated in the test, but that does not prevent one from injecting a fake bin into gstreamer, a bin that is part of the test envrionment that said
[17:39] <apachelogger> debfx: at least report it upstream
[17:40] <apachelogger> persia: I support playbin is "part" of rygel because rygel uses gstreamer?
[17:40] <persia> So, it's more complicated than that.
[17:40] <apachelogger> oh why did I ask ^^
[17:40] <persia> There's the "playbin" program, which is in gstreamer, which pulls from a file source and sends to the default sink.
[17:41] <persia> rygel has the playbin Media Renderer, which previously floated around under all sorts of names.  This provides a Media Renderer interface, and then submits to playbin to render.
[17:41] <shadeslayer> debfx: i'm reporting it upstream with the patch ;)
[17:41] <persia> If you happen to have another handy renderer for arbitrary media files, you might put together a different wrapper :)
[17:42] <apachelogger> ah, confusing naming, I see
[17:42] <apachelogger> persia: is rygel any good?
[17:43] <shadeslayer> it works .. if thats what you mean :P
[17:43] <shadeslayer> we tried it out at conf.kde.in
[17:43] <shadeslayer> dolphin managed to find media files and such
[17:43] <apachelogger> oh which reminds me
[17:43] <apachelogger> persia: the kio upnp slave was proposed for inclusion in KDE 4.7
[17:44] <apachelogger> don't think it made it in though
[17:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what explanation do i write to for the patch? :P
[17:44] <apachelogger> might be because it does not actually build with the scary Qt library for upnp :S
[17:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what patch?
[17:44] <shadeslayer> the QFAIL -> QWARN patch
[17:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/611923/
[17:44] <apachelogger> it is a workaround
[17:44] <persia> Awwww...
[17:44]  * apachelogger does not like workarounds in case you do not remember
[17:44] <shadeslayer> QFAIL is a workaround?
[17:45] <apachelogger> qwarn is a workaround
[17:45] <shadeslayer> or my patch is a workaround? :D
[17:45] <shadeslayer> an
[17:45] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:45] <apachelogger> qfail is absolutely right
[17:45] <apachelogger> except the precondition to the qfail is bonkers
[17:45] <shadeslayer> derp
[17:46] <apachelogger> in that it depends on the presence of playbin2 thus testing that the test envrionment actually has plugins installed, hardly the intended thing that is supposed to be tested
[17:46] <apachelogger> hm, that must be the second most crappiest sentence of the day
[17:49] <apachelogger> oh
[17:56] <apachelogger> even the findhupnp is kap0tt
[17:56] <apachelogger> madness all around
[17:56] <apachelogger> oho
[17:57] <apachelogger> persia: I got the kio slave to build \o/
[17:57] <persia> \o/
[17:58] <persia> "With Oneiric, Kubuntu's Dolphin media player will be able to show media stored on Sony Playstations and other common household network appliances."
[17:58] <apachelogger> ah, not so quick my friend
[17:58] <shadeslayer> hehe
[17:58] <apachelogger> interestingly enough the slave appears to be incapable of actually searching for things
[17:58] <apachelogger> you can only access them using their uuid
[17:59] <apachelogger> #discover-not-implemented as one would say in microblogging english ^^
[17:59] <persia> Ah.  Well then, assuming *something else* can do discovery, it now becomes possible to do something like make a TV remote control in QML.
[18:00] <apachelogger> *nod*
[18:01] <apachelogger> oh, I believe very much that the master mind behind KDE's network share discovery magic is interested in making the discovery part happen (at least for 4.8 or whenver the slave arrives)
[18:01]  * apachelogger still does not like the underlying library
[18:18] <debfx> shadeslayer: are you going to file a MIR for qt-gstreamer? it's also needed for qapt
[18:18] <shadeslayer> debfx: yes, i just finished investigating it
[18:18] <shadeslayer> debfx: you enabled tests right?
[18:18] <debfx> yep
[18:18] <shadeslayer> alright, i'll file it
[18:24] <shadeslayer> debfx: bug 787109
[18:26] <debfx> thanks
[18:47] <danimo> debfx: back
[18:51] <apachelogger> persia: http://i.imgur.com/opVgy.png
[18:51] <apachelogger> n900 content omnomnom
[18:52] <apachelogger> not particularly surprising... you cannot actually do anything with anything as for some reason the slave is incapable of getting mimetypes or the like
[18:52] <persia> apachelogger, I thought you said it couldn't do discovery?
[18:52] <apachelogger> it can't, I had to fish for the uuid using upnp-inspector
[18:54] <persia> Well, it looks cool, at least.
[18:54] <debfx> danimo: this is what I currently have: http://pastebin.com/Nh6GzC3j
[18:54] <persia> Just needs a bit of glue (but then KIO slaves usually do)
[18:54] <apachelogger> indeed
[18:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ARM Farm .... lol
[18:55] <danimo> debfx: the tar ball I uploaded contains more mime types to associate with
[18:56] <danimo> debfx: I guess it should be even more by now (e.g. shader code)
[18:56] <shadeslayer> okay i need help with avogadro ...
[18:56] <micahg> it's a very large number :)
[18:56] <danimo> debfx: see here
[18:56] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:56] <danimo> debfx: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-creator/qt-creator/blobs/master/src/plugins/glsleditor/GLSLEditor.mimetypes.xml
[18:56] <shadeslayer> micahg: the package
[18:56] <bambee> evening
[18:56] <shadeslayer> hey bambee
[18:57] <bambee> :)
[18:57] <debfx> danimo: the link you gave me is 404
[18:57] <danimo> debfx: actually there should be a script that scans through all the mimetype definitions and creates an xml from that
[18:57] <micahg> shadeslayer: I know, just playing :)
[18:57] <danimo> debfx: oh, bummer
[18:57] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/611968/ << can't figure that out
[18:57] <debfx> does it also add them to the desktop file?
[18:59] <micahg> shadeslayer: sounds like a build dep needs to be ported to perl 5.12
[18:59] <danimo> debfx: hmm?
[18:59] <danimo> debfx: I said there should be, there isn't right now :)
[19:00] <danimo> debfx: point is: the .desktop file as well as the mimetype reg file are constantly changing
[19:00] <debfx> sorry, read it too quickly :/
[19:00] <danimo> debfx: so they should be auto generated
[19:00] <debfx> hm yes, though these mime types aren't qt creator specific
[19:00] <danimo> debfx:  which ones?
[19:01] <danimo> gsgl?
[19:01] <shadeslayer> @_@
[19:01] <debfx> yes
[19:01] <danimo> debfx: sure, creator has a dedicated gsgl editor
[19:01] <danimo> debfx: rocks when used with QML in particular
[19:03] <debfx> danimo: yeah but it's a generic file format, isn't it?
[19:03] <danimo> debfx: what do you mean generic? It contains shader code, which looks a bit similar to C
[19:03] <danimo> debfx: so in that sense it is as specific as any interpreted language
[19:04] <debfx> I mean a file format that is not only used by qt creator, so there may be other editors
[19:05] <danimo> debfx: sure, but the mimetype registration is not only meant to register exclusive file formats, or is it?
[19:05] <shadeslayer> micahg: nope, all the perl packages were rebuilt against the new perl 5.12
[19:06] <yofel> shadeslayer: but there's a package in your output that depends on 5.10
[19:06] <shadeslayer> libtext-charwidth-perl?
[19:06] <yofel>   libtext-charwidth-perl: Depends: perlapi-5.10.0 which is a virtual package.
[19:07] <yofel> and 3 otheres from what I see
[19:07] <yofel> *others
[19:07] <shadeslayer> was rebuilt for 5.12 according to changelog
[19:07] <micahg> shadeslayer: rebuilt doesn't matter if it needs its depends updated
[19:07] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:08] <debfx> danimo: no, but ideally they should be pushed to freedesktop.org (not sure how practical that is)
[19:08] <micahg> shadeslayer: i.e. could be manual depends and not using ${perl:Depends} like it should :)
[19:09] <danimo> debfx: I have to read up on how this whole fdo mime type stuff works. Last time I looked at it was 3 years ago
[19:09] <danimo> debfx: http://standards.freedesktop.org/shared-mime-info-spec/shared-mime-info-spec-latest.html ?
[19:11] <micahg> shadeslayer: actually ignore what I said about ${perl:Depends}, I don't think I have that quite right
[19:12] <danimo> debfx: also, there should be a way to translate the .desktop and .xml file contents at a later point
[19:12] <shadeslayer> micahg: i've checked manual depends too :P
[19:12] <danimo> debfx: but honestly, all apps incl. kde itself seem to ship their own mimetype definition
[19:12] <shadeslayer> infact the package doesn't build on natty too @_@
[19:12] <danimo> debfx: I cannot see any harm
[19:13] <persia> So, there's an "official" set of MIME types.  It's good to be included.
[19:13] <persia> There's also an extension mechanism (e.g. text/x-foo) for doing things in the meantime.
[19:14] <persia> Applications are expected to provide declarations of MIME types they support, so that the DE can always select appropriate applications for a given file.
[19:14] <danimo> persia: yepp, but we (upstream) have to assume that whereever we install ourselves the global mimetype db does not know about the types
[19:14] <danimo> persia: (we still run on 8.04 for instance)
[19:15] <persia> Right, so you need to provide a MIMEtype definition file (a type of .desktop file) describing the MIME types you support, and declaring which icons you'd like to show for them.
[19:15] <danimo> persia: that's what we do
[19:15] <danimo> persia: (sans the icons atm, but that's trivial to do)
[19:15] <persia> We've been using roughly the same MIME declaration model since at least 5.04.
[19:16] <persia> You don't need to include the icons: just names.  There is an XDG spec about certain common icon names that all themes are supposed to have available.
[19:16] <danimo> persia: I know, (puts on KDE hat) we introduced it with KDE 3.x some years ago
[19:16] <persia> So you'd list "Icon=TextFile" or similar.
[19:16] <persia> danimo, Indeed :)
[19:17] <danimo> persia: I can even have custom icons
[19:17] <persia> If you like, certainly.
[19:18] <danimo> persia: I was just arguing to auto-generate the xml mime type definition file from Qt Creator's pluginspec file
[19:18] <danimo> persia: because otherwise everytime we add a new plugin that can handle a new mimetype, we have to update the xml file (and the desktop file)
[19:19] <danimo> persia: and since I prefer autmatism over manual processes.. :)
[19:19] <persia> As long as you have an OOB process to try to move from foo/x-bar to foo/bar for new ones, that doesn't sound unreasonable.
[19:19] <persia> And I'll stop lecturing, since you already know everything I'm saying.
[19:20] <danimo> persia: it's been a few years, and I'm always glad for corrections
[19:22] <apachelogger> Quintasan: p-i-n-g
[19:23] <shadeslayer> micahg: yofel any other ideas?
[19:23] <apachelogger> ah
[19:23] <apachelogger> the shadeslayer!
[19:23] <apachelogger> you there
[19:23] <shadeslayer> yes
[19:23] <apachelogger> hello hello
[19:23] <shadeslayer> i'm not studying tonight
[19:23] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is the calligra covered by the mighty project neon?
[19:23] <shadeslayer> nope
[19:24] <apachelogger> needs fixing ASAP
[19:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: we ran out of space in the PPA ages ago iirc
[19:24] <apachelogger> http://www.calligra-suite.org/news/calligra-2-4-snapshot-1-tour/ <----
[19:24] <apachelogger> receive love, give love
[19:24] <apachelogger> love++
[19:24] <shadeslayer> looking
[19:25] <apachelogger> also someone should teach jr to use official templates ^^
[19:26] <shadeslayer>     8.0 GiB (80.12%) of 10.0 GiB
[19:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: will be fixed in a couple of hours ;)
[19:26] <apachelogger> grooviest
[19:26] <shadeslayer> i hope they have one repo
[19:26] <shadeslayer> and not a bazillion repos like tp
[19:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/611968/ << now tell me whats wrong there
[19:27] <apachelogger> solar flares
[19:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you don't use the shell hook, that is what is wrong :P
[19:29] <shadeslayer> which shell hook?
[19:29] <apachelogger> the one that drops you to a shell on error
[19:29] <shadeslayer> i haz that one
[19:29] <apachelogger> oh, I suppose that will not work if deps fail to satisfy
[19:29] <shadeslayer> yep
[19:30] <apachelogger> login and try to manually install that stuff
[19:30] <apachelogger> then you should see what is wrong
[19:30] <shadeslayer> @_@
[19:31]  * apachelogger at some point will start trolling the gsoc students list
[19:34] <shadeslayer> roflol
[19:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/611984/
[19:34] <yofel> apt-get update ;)
[19:35] <shadeslayer> wth
[19:35] <shadeslayer> it can install stuff without issues now
[19:35] <yofel> ...
[19:35] <apachelogger> yofel: I: user script /var/cache/pbuilder/build//9545/tmp/hooks/D10aptupdate finished
[19:36] <yofel> odd
[19:36] <shadeslayer> yofel: why is it that pbuilder can't install stuff but apt-get inside a pbuilder can @_@
[19:36] <shadeslayer> and what apachelogger said
[19:37] <apachelogger> well
[19:37] <apachelogger> I know why
[19:37] <yofel> don't ask me, ask aptitude
[19:37] <apachelogger> yet you do not see the obvious :P
[19:37] <yofel> or apachelogger ^^
[19:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what is the obvious thing here?
[19:39] <yofel> are you installing the same packages?
[19:39] <shadeslayer> yes
[19:39] <shadeslayer> i just copied over the build deps
[19:40] <yofel> did you update the pbuilder first?
[19:40] <shadeslayer> yes
[19:43] <apachelogger> :D
[19:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: tell me
[19:48] <apachelogger> what requirements must be met to install a set of build-deps?
[19:49] <shadeslayer> that the build deps exsist and the packages they depend on are installable and don't conflict with each other?
[19:49] <apachelogger> there is an essential part missing
[19:49] <apachelogger> perhaps one of the most important once
[19:50] <apachelogger> that is there for a good reason, a reason that would probably make your package not build even if everything installed
[19:51] <apachelogger> right, so someone asks a rather silly question on the gsoc student lists not half an hour ago
[19:51] <apachelogger> 10 replies and counting
[19:51] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:51] <apachelogger> how can you not troll them
[19:51] <apachelogger> srsly
[19:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i have no idea what you're talking about
[19:52] <apachelogger> I fear they are all no proper geeks and have no towel
[19:52] <apachelogger> clearly a reason to panic
[19:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: does you haz welcome pkg, cuz I dont :'( *sadstudent* maybe the googlez forgot me :'(
[19:53] <shadeslayer> googlez forgot me too
[19:53] <apachelogger> I haz no better things to do than worry about the welcome package
[19:53] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:53] <apachelogger> now I needs to write mail to gsoc students list, so that googlez notices I does not have no package
[19:53] <apachelogger> halp!
[19:53]  * apachelogger ponders sending that as-is to the list, just for the lulz of it
[19:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: someone might take it seriously
[19:54] <shadeslayer> attach a troll face to the mail
[19:55] <apachelogger> what for?
[19:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: because someone might think that google actually forgot them -.-
[19:58] <apachelogger> why do I care?
[20:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so you were saying something about the package build deps
[20:03] <apachelogger> that I did
[20:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what essential part is missing?
[20:04] <apachelogger> look at the build-depends in debian/control and think about what you did not mention as requirement at all
[20:04] <apachelogger> even though it is much more explicit
[20:06] <Quintasan> apachelogger: pong
[20:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan: calligra for neon plz
[20:06] <apachelogger> see what I said after the ping
[20:07] <shadeslayer> i already started working on that ^^ :P
[20:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you mean i missed a build dep?
[20:08] <Quintasan> ...
[20:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: a) I think we are running out of space in our PPA
[20:08] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: bug LP admins
[20:08] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: we still have 2 gigs of space
[20:08] <shadeslayer> should be enough for calligra
[20:09] <Quintasan> PROTIP: we are building for two distros
[20:09] <Quintasan> plus
[20:09] <Quintasan> Plasma Activ
[20:09] <Quintasan> +e
[20:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you realize you could just git clone the repo and run neonmake :P
[20:09] <Quintasan> we WILL need more space
[20:09] <shadeslayer> ah yes, in the future
[20:09] <apachelogger> Quintasan: 2 distros?
[20:09] <Quintasan> bleh
[20:09] <shadeslayer> 2 releases
[20:09] <Quintasan> two releases of Ubuntu
[20:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i have no idea what i'm missing
[20:10] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: spot the error : http://paste.ubuntu.com/611968/ :P
[20:10] <Quintasan> /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk:31: WARNING:  simple-patchsys.mk is deprecated - please use source format 3.0 (quilt) instead
[20:11] <shadeslayer> its used later on, ignore that
[20:11] <Quintasan> libtext-charwidth-perl: Depends: perlapi-5.10.0 which is a virtual package.
[20:11] <Quintasan> wtf?
[20:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I told you all you need to know
[20:11] <shadeslayer> ...
[20:11] <Quintasan> Why are you depending on virtual packages?
[20:12] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yeah, and i've seen all 3 perl packages and they don't have specific depends
[20:12] <apachelogger> Quintasan: the perl way of handling api
[20:12] <Quintasan> :S
[20:12] <shadeslayer> none of them depend on perl 5.10 explicitly
[20:12] <Quintasan> no freaking idea
[20:12] <Quintasan> need debian/contro
[20:12] <Quintasan> l
[20:13] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/612001/
[20:13] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/KIdWL.png
[20:13] <apachelogger> omnomnom
[20:15] <shadeslayer> oh hmm
[20:16] <Quintasan> oh wait
[20:16] <Quintasan> Depends: gcc-4.6-base (= 4.6.0-6ubuntu1)
[20:17] <Quintasan> but 4.6.0-7ubuntu1 is to be installed.
[20:19] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^
[20:19] <Quintasan> just a wild guess
[20:19] <shadeslayer> what about it?
[20:19] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: dude, i've been waiting for gcc to be fixed for 4-5 days now
[20:19] <shadeslayer> and other packages build fine
[20:19] <Quintasan> look at the depend version and what is about to be installed
[20:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: if i extract a pbuilder
[20:20] <shadeslayer> and install deps manually, it wokrs
[20:20] <shadeslayer> *works
[20:21] <apachelogger> Quintasan: is on to something
[20:21] <apachelogger> something shadeslayer did still not identify as requirement
[20:22] <apachelogger> awwww
[20:22] <apachelogger> carol shut down the welcome package thread :(
[20:22] <shadeslayer> hahah :D
[20:23] <apachelogger> how rude, I rather enjoyed it
[20:23] <Quintasan> what seems retarded to me is that gcc-4.6 depends on gcc-4.6-base (= 4.6.0-6ubuntu1) not on >=4.6.0-6ubuntu1
[20:23] <Quintasan> also, shadeslayer, what version pbuilder are you using?
[20:24] <apachelogger> Quintasan: not necessarily, patches can change the stuff in such a way that >= could result in broken gcc
[20:24] <shadeslayer> whatever natty uses i think
[20:24] <apachelogger> hence = might indeed the best choice
[20:24] <Quintasan> hmm
[20:24] <Quintasan> ture
[20:24] <apachelogger> at any rate the savest
[20:24] <shadeslayer> 0.199+nmu2~ppa1really+nmu1ubuntu1~ppa1 <<
[20:24] <Quintasan> bleh, true*
[20:24] <shadeslayer> yofel: you haz custom pbuilder?
[20:25] <Quintasan> 0.199+nmu2~ppa1really+nmu1ubuntu1~ppa1 ????
[20:25] <Quintasan> where the hell did you find that?
[20:25]  * apachelogger takes off his hat
[20:25] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: don't ask me, i've ssh'd into yofel's machine
[20:25] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: You are building on yofel's machine?
[20:25] <shadeslayer> yes
[20:25] <apachelogger> yofel is wicked clearly
[20:25] <Quintasan> ....
[20:26] <shadeslayer> oh your haven't seen what i'm seeing right now
[20:26] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: check /etc/apt/sources.list for lulz entries
[20:26] <apachelogger> hm
[20:26] <apachelogger> you were soooo close
[20:26] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/73825
[20:26] <apachelogger> and yet you fail
[20:27] <Quintasan> apachelogger: me?
[20:27] <apachelogger> both of you
[20:27] <shadeslayer> derpity derp
[20:27]  * apachelogger apparently left out important parts of minion training
[20:27] <Quintasan> apachelogger: just guessing lol
[20:27] <shadeslayer> i actually removed cdbs and got the error down, but i don't think thats the solution
[20:27] <shadeslayer> it came down to a couple of gcc base packages
[20:28] <Quintasan> blame cdbs for source of all evil?
[20:28] <shadeslayer> cdbs is evil
[20:28] <shadeslayer> for some reason
[20:28] <shadeslayer> this package is source 3.0 quilt AND has cdbs
[20:28] <apachelogger> requirements to fullfil a build dep: a) builddep and all its deps are installable and in appropriate version b) the builddep itself is available in required version
[20:28] <apachelogger> plenty of option for things to go wrong, right?
[20:29] <ScottK> When is that not the case?
[20:29] <apachelogger> good thing you can debug one of those rather easily and thus the other must be screwing with the build deps
[20:29] <apachelogger> if you don't want to disappoint an apachelogger you better find the problem now
[20:30] <Quintasan> apachelogger: well, you just stated the obvious for build-deps
[20:30] <apachelogger> did I?
[20:31] <Quintasan> well, if build-dep is not available and all of it's dependencies are not available then how the hell it can work?
[20:31] <apachelogger> not so obvious or you would have checked the 5 packages that could fail for the reason apparently not proofen wrong by installing all the plunder in the builder manually
[20:31] <apachelogger> my point exactly
[20:31] <apachelogger> you are always thinking of a)
[20:32] <Quintasan> PROTIP: I'm not in shadeslayer's pbuilder on yofel's computer
[20:32] <apachelogger> completely ignoring b) even though I mentioned it explicitly as requirement
[20:32] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you can spot the problem from poland with one web shortcut
[20:32] <apachelogger> anyhow
[20:33]  * apachelogger tries to find some cigars before bed time
[20:33] <shadeslayer> ARGH
[20:33] <shadeslayer> all it needed
[20:33] <Quintasan> it seems I should voice my whole logic before getting into any discussion which leads to almost a wall of text to sufficiently explain my logic
[20:33] <shadeslayer> was : sudo -E DIST=oneiric pbuilder --update
[20:33] <shadeslayer> thats it
[20:33] <Quintasan> ...
[20:34] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ^^
[20:34] <shadeslayer> i spent like 3 days on this
[20:34] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: HERP DERP
[20:34] <Quintasan> are you serious?
[20:34] <shadeslayer> yes
[20:34] <Quintasan> you are not upgrading your pbuilders at least once a week?
[20:34] <shadeslayer> and i was like, nah ... the toolkit must be broken or sth
[20:34] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: not my pbuilder
[20:34] <Quintasan> shadeslayer@yofel-thinkpad
[20:35] <Quintasan> shadeslayer@
[20:35] <shadeslayer> i don't have a sane connection for pbuilders, but i'm going to try and get a 1Mbps connection
[20:35] <Quintasan> that's yours pbuilder
[20:35] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: nope, yofel created the pbuilder
[20:35] <shadeslayer> i just have sudo rights to pbuilder :P
[20:35] <Quintasan> yofel: update shadeslayer's pbuilder for him
[20:35] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i can do that
[20:35] <shadeslayer> i just did
[20:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I did not even expected oudated pbuilder
[20:35] <Quintasan> expect*
[20:35] <shadeslayer> hehe
[20:36] <shadeslayer> i guess that was the issue, packages in pbuilder blocking other packages
[20:36] <shadeslayer> *headdesk*
[20:36] <Quintasan> *headdesk* doesn't even begin to describe it
[20:37]  * apachelogger puts a smile on his face and leaves for a bit, expecting much fun when he returns
[20:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: someone posted to the packages thread
[20:38] <Quintasan> apachelogger: no, seriously, broken gcc depends (who noone miraculously did notice) seem awfully unlikely
[20:38] <Quintasan> unless you don't update your install ^_^
[20:42] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://i.imgur.com/OBTUZ.png << this is what happens to me every single day when i leave for college
[20:43] <Quintasan> >he browses reddit
[20:43] <shadeslayer> hey reddit is awesome
[20:43] <Quintasan> I'll pass
[20:43] <Quintasan> I have my daily does of stuff on RSS
[20:45]  * Quintasan goes back to school stuff
[20:45] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: do you have a external monitor or such?
[20:46]  * Quintasan doesnt own a laptop
[20:46] <Quintasan> I have my 23" display
[20:46] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: right, what company/make/model
[20:47] <danimo> is anyone coming to QCS btw?
[20:47] <Quintasan> Samsung SyncMaster 2333SW
[20:47] <shadeslayer> awwww
[20:47] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^^ what about it?
[20:47] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i was thinking of getting a syncmaster too : http://goo.gl/nxCJg
[20:47] <shadeslayer> but it's not available here in india :<
[20:48] <shadeslayer> well .. it's not listed on samsung india anyways
[20:49] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: might buy this instead http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/snp/topics/en/ap/in/dhs/monitor-dell-u2311h?c=in&cs=indhs1&l=en&s=dhs&redirect=1
[20:50] <yofel> shadeslayer: er, I *did* ask you if you updated the pbuilder, and you said yes...
[20:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: i was logged into the pbuilder at that time ....
[20:50] <Quintasan> Oh god.
[20:50] <neversfelde> ScottK: no ballot in my inbox or spam folder
[20:51] <yofel> oh
[20:51] <yofel> and the version: I obviously did something wrong that had to be reverted :P
[20:51] <ScottK> neversfelde: Christian Mangold	2008-02-21	 Expired on 2011-02-19
[20:51] <neversfelde> really
[20:52] <ScottK> So says Launchapd.
[20:52] <ScottK> pad
[20:52] <ScottK> OTOH, council belongs to kubuntu-members.
[20:52] <ScottK> I can send you one.
[20:53] <ScottK> neversfelde: Sent.
[20:53] <neversfelde> ScottK: thanks
[20:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is it working now?
[20:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes
[20:53] <neversfelde> I never got a message about expiring from that team
[20:53] <neversfelde> and never realized, because I am an indirect member
[20:54] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: what happened now?
[20:55] <neversfelde> ScottK: ballot here, thanks
[20:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: okay now i need you to build this on ARM
[20:55] <shadeslayer> i'll upload the files, gimme a minute
[20:56] <ScottK> neversfelde: You can probably fix your own membership.
[20:57] <neversfelde> ScottK: yes, I can
[20:58] <neversfelde> that's weird :)
[20:58] <neversfelde> would someone else do this for me?
[21:01] <ScottK> neversfelde: Are you still active in Kubuntu?
[21:01] <apachelogger> neversfelde: you will expire on 2013-05-22
[21:01] <neversfelde> ScottK: sure, not as active as I should be, I am currently very busy with my job, but I am doing what is possible
[21:01] <ScottK> OK.
[21:01] <neversfelde> apachelogger: from council
[21:02] <ScottK> neversfelde: You got approved somehow
[21:02] <apachelogger> it was jr
[21:02]  * ScottK is suprised apachelogger didn't want a process for this and paperwork in triplicate.
[21:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: just build the debian package for ubuntu on ARM
[21:03] <neversfelde> ScottK: ok
[21:03] <neversfelde> thanks
[21:03] <apachelogger> ScottK: pff, not even a recommendation one can make
[21:05] <apachelogger> or suggestion
[21:05] <apachelogger> something that ends with tion anyway
[21:05] <neversfelde> and voted :)
[21:06] <neversfelde> "I voted" buttons?
[21:06] <neversfelde> apachelogger: you created them, right?
[21:06] <neversfelde> or at least found someone to do this
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> ~order I voted button
[21:06]  * kubotu hands JontheEchidna a blue "I Voted" button with an annoyed rick on it.
[21:06] <kubotu> Thanks for voting -- The Illuminati
[21:07] <yofel> kubotu: order I voted button for neversfelde
[21:07]  * kubotu hands neversfelde a blue "I Voted" button with an annoyed rick on it.
[21:07] <kubotu> Thanks for voting -- The Illuminati
[21:07] <apachelogger> next time around sheytan could make us proper buttons ^^
[21:07] <neversfelde> hehe
[21:07] <yofel> make it ascii art for kubotu :P
[21:07] <debfx> JontheEchidna: I've prepared some changes to the qapt package: http://paste.kde.org/73867/
[21:08] <debfx> do you mind if I upload that?
[21:08] <apachelogger> yofel: you cant stick that on your forehead
[21:08] <yofel> who cares about that :P
[21:08] <apachelogger> kent beck
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> debfx: go ahead, thanks
[21:09] <yofel> …
[21:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you start le build?
[21:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you hand me a dsc yet?
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> debfx: is libqtgstreamer-dev new?
[21:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: build the package from debian?
[21:10] <shadeslayer> oh
[21:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pull-debian-source is foobared?
[21:10] <apachelogger> what be me password
[21:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/avogadro/avogadro_1.0.3-1.dsc
[21:10] <apachelogger> oh noes
[21:10] <apachelogger> me password
[21:10] <apachelogger> woooooo
[21:11]  * apachelogger enters random characters hoping to hit the password
[21:11] <debfx> JontheEchidna: it's in binary NEW, I've synced the qt-gstreamer package from Debian
[21:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I think my password is in the welcome package!!!!!
[21:11] <shadeslayer> :O
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> k, cool. It'll have to wait for the QtGStreamer MIR anyway, so no harm there
[21:11] <shadeslayer> nooo
[21:11] <yofel> pull-debian-source works fine here
[21:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what if googlez forgets you?
[21:12] <shadeslayer> yofel: apachelogger says it doesn't work on ARM :P
[21:12] <yofel> ah, can't test that here ^^
[21:13] <apachelogger> arrrrrm
[21:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what happens to pull-debian-source on arm?
[21:14] <sheytan> shadeslayer ping
[21:14] <shadeslayer> sheytan: pong
[21:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: arm explodes
[21:15] <sheytan> shadeslayer where do i get neon ppa for natty?
[21:15] <shadeslayer> sheytan: pad.lv/~neon
[21:15] <apachelogger> sheytan: we probably should add some box with a short description of lord phonon to the website
[21:15] <apachelogger> sheytan: also j-b was wondering if we need them round background thingies for the icons
[21:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: seriously, what happens?
[21:16] <apachelogger> "kernel panic"
[21:16] <shadeslayer> what O_O
[21:17] <apachelogger> "kernel panic"
[21:17] <shadeslayer> the script makes the kernel panic, how is that even possible?
[21:17] <apachelogger> no towel, obviously
[21:18] <bambee> I had a kernel panic a half hour ago because I put dragon in fullscreen o_O  (nouveau is buggy with the 2.6.39)
[21:19] <apachelogger> s/with the 2.6.39//
[21:19] <kubotu> apachelogger: You did something wrong...  Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[21:21] <yofel> where have I seen that behaviour...
[21:22] <shadeslayer> hehehe
[21:22] <apachelogger> kubotu: I swear to kent beck, if you tell me one more time I will ctrl^c you
[21:22] <shadeslayer> resizing konsole
[21:22] <yofel> heh
[21:22] <sheytan_> shadeslayer can you point me right to the ppa?
[21:22] <yofel> ppa:neon
[21:22] <shadeslayer> sheytan_: dude, you open that page, there is only one ppa
[21:22] <shadeslayer> just add that ppa
[21:22] <shadeslayer> or what yofel said
[21:22] <sheytan_> shadeslayer i don't see it :D
[21:22] <yofel> yeah, we only have one
[21:22] <shadeslayer> whaaatttt
[21:22] <yofel> o.O
[21:23] <Quintasan> huh?
[21:23] <sheytan_> really i don't
[21:23] <apachelogger> NCommander, ScottK: when do we get natty for the arrrrm farm? I want an aubergine byobu
[21:23] <Quintasan> sheytan_: https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa
[21:23] <yofel> it's perfectly visible on pad.lv/~neon
[21:23] <Quintasan> sheytan_: add ppa:neon/ppa to your sources list using Muon or PackageKit
[21:23] <shadeslayer> sheytan_: http://i.imgur.com/jxHeC.png
[21:23] <bambee> apachelogger: don't feed the troll :P
[21:24] <sheytan_> shadeslayer the page you gave me is different from the Quintasan's one
[21:24] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/udw/10.07/videos/trollface.ogv
[21:24] <Quintasan> sheytan_: I pointed you directly to the PPA
[21:24] <shadeslayer> ^^
[21:24] <Quintasan> wheras shadeslayer pointed you to Team page
[21:24] <sheytan_> yeah
[21:24] <sheytan_> ok, nvm :D
[21:24] <shadeslayer> which then leads to the PPA page
[21:24] <Quintasan> sheytan_: be warned tough
[21:24] <apachelogger> can't you just hand out ppa: urls????
[21:24] <sheytan_> apachelogger you're bored, right? :D
[21:25] <apachelogger> no
[21:25] <Quintasan> sheytan_: Akonadi doesnt work and since it is monday, most modules can be quite unstable
[21:25] <apachelogger> I am making love to arrrrm
[21:25] <apachelogger> then again that could very well mean bored, cause arrrm is sloooow
[21:25] <NCommander> apachelogger: its in the process of being assembled
[21:25] <apachelogger> hooray
[21:25] <apachelogger> \o/
[21:25] <shadeslayer> whats being assembled? :P
[21:26] <sheytan_> Quintasan: no problem, i'm on a testing machine. My work and files and kubuntu are safe :)
[21:26] <apachelogger> talking about assembling stuff.... the superior oneiric pbuilder just finished
[21:26] <apachelogger> hooray
[21:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it builds?
[21:26] <Quintasan> sheytan_: they would be safe anyways, we store PN files in totally different place than your config files :P
[21:26] <apachelogger> no
[21:26] <shadeslayer> bah
[21:26] <ScottK> apachelogger: I need to mail NCommander some parts which are sitting in front of me to be mailed once I get done with the $WORK telcon I'm in the middle of.
[21:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pastebin the error log plz
[21:27] <sheytan_> Quintasan i want be safe even more :D
[21:27] <Quintasan> sheytan_: #project-neon
[21:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I: extracting base tarball [/home/oneiric-base.tgz]
[21:27] <shadeslayer> uh .... and?
[21:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I: extracting base tarball [/home/oneiric-base.tgz]
[21:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: its stuck at extracting the tarball?
[21:28] <apachelogger> stuck is the wrong word here
[21:28] <apachelogger> it is in the process of extracting
[21:28] <shadeslayer> ah
[21:29] <sheytan_> is it true, you're going to change the default desktop configuration for 11.10?
[21:29] <Quintasan> ha ha
[21:29] <Quintasan> no :D
[21:29] <apachelogger> yes
[21:29] <Quintasan> apachelogger was trolling
[21:29] <apachelogger> to windows seven
[21:29] <apachelogger> sheytan_: where did you hear that?
[21:30] <Quintasan> yeah, I am intrested in that too
[21:30] <sheytan_> apachelogger all that unity stuff on planetkde
[21:30] <Quintasan> :DDDDDDDDDDDDd
[21:30] <shadeslayer> lol
[21:30] <mupuf> hey guys, I heard that some of you have problems with the 2.6.39 and with nouveau. We(I'm a nouveau dev) are not aware of these errors. If you could show up on #nouveau, it would be great
[21:30] <apachelogger> what unity stuff?
[21:30] <sheytan_> well, first i thought it must be a joke, but then someone blogged about so i was cofused
[21:30] <Quintasan> links please
[21:30] <sheytan_> sec
[21:31] <apachelogger> bambee: go help resolve the nouveau issues
[21:32]  * apachelogger pokes bambee with a mickey mouse hand
[21:32] <apachelogger> bambee: actually, any news on the possible cppificatin of userconfig?
[21:32]  * bambee pokes apachelogger with a chain saw
[21:32] <bambee> apachelogger: I am rewriting it in cpp
[21:32] <sheytan_> can't find it now. But even some Polish blogger blogged about it.
[21:32] <sheytan_> I was really confused :D
[21:33] <apachelogger> bambee: you are wicked
[21:33] <bambee> apachelogger: I think , I've time enough to rewrite it in cpp and to add new features for the next release (I am talking about the planned features)
[21:34] <Quintasan> sheytan_: I wonder, do you mean this
[21:34] <Quintasan> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/11/plasma-desktopgp1838.jpg
[21:34] <apachelogger> sheytan_: do not trust anything that is not on the kubuntu-devel mailing list or a proper kubuntu team blog
[21:34] <Quintasan> props for jussi for that one
[21:34] <bambee> apachelogger: the pwd backend is mostly rewritten, I've just to finish the gui
[21:35] <sheytan_> Quintasan well, yes, this one. But i read on GreKoval's blogg that you're going to change the default plasma config
[21:35] <bambee> then I think I will upload it into my scratch repository (on git.k.o)
[21:35] <sheytan_> thought it was true
[21:35] <apachelogger> bambee: oh, groovy
[21:35] <sheytan_> apachelogger i never did, that's why i'm asking here ;)
[21:36] <Quintasan> sheytan_: GreKoval? No idea who is he
[21:36] <sheytan_> Quintasan Grzegorz Kowalewski, Konqui club is his blog called i guess
[21:36] <sheytan_> apachelogger you didn't blog about the phonon page :(
[21:36] <bambee> apachelogger: by the way, I know mupuf personnally, it's a friend. so I am already talking to him about nouveau ;)
[21:37] <sheytan_> no christmass presents anymore from me!
[21:37] <apachelogger> sheytan_: because DNS population is not done
[21:37] <apachelogger> if I blog now half the people will end up on the old site
[21:37] <bambee> and he's right, we should report issues on #nouveau :P
[21:37] <apachelogger> the post though is ready
[21:37] <sheytan_> this sucks :D
[21:38] <apachelogger> patience my friend, patience
[21:38] <Quintasan> apachelogger: omfg
[21:38] <apachelogger> a true jedi knight must be very patience
[21:38] <Quintasan> he really did mention that
[21:38] <apachelogger> oh
[21:38] <apachelogger> language fail
[21:38] <apachelogger> kent beck, save me!
[21:38] <apachelogger> my language engine needs unit tests
[21:38] <apachelogger> Quintasan: where?
[21:38] <Quintasan> http://konqiklub.ubucentrum.net/2011/05/kubuntu-na-uds-o.html
[21:38] <Quintasan> Polish
[21:39] <Quintasan> 3rd paragraph from the bottom
[21:39] <sheytan_> Quintasan told ya
[21:40] <apachelogger> if the translation is right he does not say that the default will change
[21:40] <apachelogger> and there are plans for a unity themed plasma
[21:40] <Quintasan> "Kubuntu will finally change it's face"
[21:40] <apachelogger> google says eventually
[21:41] <apachelogger> darn you google translate!
[21:41] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well, bad research on his part then
[21:41] <Quintasan> yup and then he says that (Plasma Unity) speaks for itself :D
[21:41] <apachelogger> esp considering that none of the referenced resources talk about it
[21:42] <apachelogger> IMHO he just made that up from the theme in the screenshots of the sneak peak
[21:42] <apachelogger> which in retrospect really wasn't the most fortunate thing, then again I was too lazy to change all the stuff back....
[21:42] <apachelogger> "At the end of information that probably raise the most discussion and perhaps controversy. Kubuntu eventually change its face. At the moment I have not found any further information on this subject, but one of the points of the plan for future release is to create a new topic Plasma Unity which is already very significant."
[21:42] <apachelogger> google translate is apparently utter shit
[21:43] <apachelogger> if I looked up al the words in a dict I'd probably be closer to the truth of the meaning -.-
[21:43] <sheytan_> "ale jednym z punktów planu przyszłego wydania jest stworzenie nowego tematu Plasma Unity" - "but one of the feature plan of the future development is to create a new theme Plasma Unity" something like that
[21:43] <sheytan_> apachelogger ^^
[21:43] <Quintasan> sheytan_: but "will change it face" implies that it will be default
[21:44] <Quintasan> no matter how you read it :D
[21:44] <apachelogger> well
[21:44] <apachelogger> "Create Plasma Unity template"
[21:44] <apachelogger> that is a valid todo item
[21:44] <apachelogger> hm
[21:44] <apachelogger> ah, I see how he drew the conclusion
[21:44] <apachelogger> that todo item is listed as parts of the defaults todos
[21:45] <sheytan_> apachelogger what for creating it?
[21:45] <sheytan_> Quintasan: true, that's why i was confused
[21:46] <apachelogger> sheytan_: cause there is demand for it + jussi already made the config so turning it into a proper plasma template is not terribly diffcult (if plasma didn't have one particular bug that prevents it right now)
[21:46] <bambee> apachelogger: jreznik has probably not time enough :(
[21:46] <Quintasan> apachelogger: That's how a troll turns into an awesome idea
[21:46] <Quintasan> :D
[21:46] <bambee> so actually I am alone
[21:47] <apachelogger> you did not convince him of the awesomeness clearly
[21:47] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Whom I did not convince?
[21:47] <apachelogger> I shall be looking for someone else on the weekend or so
[21:47] <apachelogger> Quintasan: bambee I meant
[21:48] <Quintasan> oh
[21:48] <apachelogger> Quintasan: also, the idea is not terribly awesome, just a useful idea
[21:48] <bambee> he is interested, but he has many things to do for fedora. he will try to help me, I said
[21:48] <shadeslayer> quick question before i sleep, whats happening on the KDE 4.7 side?
[21:48] <apachelogger> there is an awesome idea though, not entirely unrelated and making much more sense
[21:49] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Do you feel like reading some of my incoherent babbling on my personal opinion of UDS before I publish anything related to what we will be doing this cycle?
[21:49] <apachelogger> are we talking blog post?
[21:49] <Quintasan> yep
[21:49] <apachelogger> sure
[21:49] <apachelogger> you'd want more people to read it though :P
[21:49] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I want you to read it before I publish it :P
[21:50] <apachelogger> yeah
[21:50]  * shadeslayer tries out lightdm
[21:50] <sheytan> i'm dumb
[21:50] <apachelogger> beware it causes kernel panics
[21:50] <apachelogger> or so jr claimed ^^
[21:50] <shadeslayer> oh
[21:51] <sheytan> apachelogger a brain panic is worse
[21:51] <apachelogger> sheytan, Quintasan: todo item for unity template moved to coding as to avoid that confusion from now on
[21:51] <sheytan> trust me
[21:51] <sheytan> ++
[21:51]  * apachelogger once had a private parts panic
[21:51] <Quintasan> oh god...
[21:51] <apachelogger> not to be talked about in public though
[21:51] <Quintasan> okay, I am going to bed
[21:51] <Quintasan> school etc.
[21:51] <apachelogger> Quintasan: where is the blog post?
[21:51] <Quintasan> apachelogger: when it's more than a draft I will let you know
[21:52] <apachelogger> ah
[21:52] <Quintasan> most likely tomorrow or the day after tomorrow
[21:52] <apachelogger> you were just teasing me
[21:52] <apachelogger> how rude
[21:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I recall, you tell me that you would blog btw
[21:52] <Quintasan> +1
[21:53] <sheytan> apachelogger if you  come to Poland, your private part would turn to Windows. Panics everytime
[21:54] <sheytan> btw, you ever been in Poland?  I wish to meet you in person. Now i wonder what you're guys doin on uds istead of planning kubuntu's future :D
[21:58] <sheytan> yeah
[21:58] <sheytan> i guess so
[21:58] <apachelogger> oh
[21:58] <Quintasan> sheytan: ignore him, just make him come to Poland
[21:59] <sheytan> i remember when i was in school age :D
[21:59] <apachelogger> sheytan: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-ballmers-peak
[21:59] <Quintasan> sheytan: He is not that bad
[21:59] <sheytan> Quintasan he will not :D
[21:59] <Quintasan> and yeah
[21:59] <Quintasan> Ballmer's peak
[21:59] <apachelogger> Quintasan: did you ask wether uds-p can be in poland yet? :P
[21:59] <sheytan> i would come ;D
[21:59] <Quintasan> nope, we really should suggest that
[21:59] <apachelogger> actually
[21:59] <apachelogger> do not say that out loud
[21:59] <apachelogger> it turns out uds-pee
[21:59] <Quintasan> lol
[21:59] <sheytan> ahahahahaha :D
[21:59] <apachelogger> in fact, let's not ever talk about it again
[22:00] <Quintasan> sheytan: well, we drink, discuss Kubuntu, drink and eat
[22:00] <Quintasan> and pull Rodrigo's after lunch or so
[22:00] <sheytan> Quintasan you've been there?
[22:00] <apachelogger> and after breakfast
[22:00] <apachelogger> and after sessions
[22:00] <Quintasan> sheytan: on UDS? I was
[22:00] <sheytan> i don't wanna know!
[22:00] <sheytan> :D
[22:00] <sheytan> apachelogger stop :D
[22:01] <sheytan> Quintasan well, Poland... i mean uds-pee is a great idea :D
[22:01]  * apachelogger is sitting, thus not going anywhere
[22:01] <Quintasan> okay, it's seriously time for me to go
[22:01] <Quintasan> see you tomorrow
[22:01] <apachelogger> Quintasan: we shall miss you
[22:01] <apachelogger> o/
[22:01] <apachelogger> good bye
[22:01] <Quintasan> \o
[22:01] <apachelogger> see you soon
[22:01] <sheytan> bye, have a sweet dream with micky mouse ;)
[22:01] <apachelogger> or so we hope
[22:01] <shadeslayer> okay didn't work
[22:01] <Quintasan> sheytan: oh fkc, no please
[22:01] <Quintasan> no
[22:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what happened to le build?
[22:01] <apachelogger> hm, dreaming of KFC would be an option
[22:01] <sheytan> Quintasan dream about that apachelogger's picture :D
[22:02] <sheytan> i don't need to dream. All my amazing german wine is just 20cm away :D
[22:02] <apachelogger> sheytan: you really want to know?
[22:02] <sheytan> apachelogger yeah :D
[22:02] <shadeslayer> and lightdm did not wokr
[22:02] <shadeslayer> *work
[22:02] <shadeslayer> X starts up, but no actual GUI is drawn
[22:03] <sheytan> shadeslayer is it worth to switch  to lightdm, when kdm-plasma is almost out there?
[22:03] <apachelogger> scary
[22:03] <apachelogger> oh
[22:03] <apachelogger> someone turned the lights off
[22:03] <shadeslayer> sheytan: yes
[22:03] <apachelogger> fooey
[22:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: /usr/include/GLES2/gl2.h:38:26: error: conflicting declaration 'typedef khronos_intptr_t GLintptr'
[22:03] <apachelogger> /usr/include/GL/glew.h:1608:19: error: 'GLintptr' has a previous declaration as 'typedef ptrdiff_t GLintptr'
[22:03] <apachelogger> go fix you stuffz
[22:03] <shadeslayer> sheytan: both need to be evaluated actually
[22:03] <shadeslayer> meh
[22:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thats why the build was disabled initially
[22:04] <sheytan> i wonder how it's gonna look like (kdm-plasma)
[22:04] <apachelogger> so why did you waste precious resources on a build that we know would fail on arm?
[22:04] <apachelogger> sheytan: like a soap bubble
[22:05] <sheytan> apachelogger how do you know?
[22:05] <apachelogger> no, actually that was wrong
[22:05] <apachelogger> more like the end of a rainbow
[22:05] <apachelogger> with gold and stuff
[22:05] <sheytan> apachelogger and gnomes, too? :D
[22:05] <apachelogger> problem is no one ever has been to the end of a rainbow and reported about it on wikipedia
[22:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i didn't waste it, i thought it might have been fixed with new uploads and what not
[22:06] <apachelogger> wah?
[22:06] <sheytan> apachelogger i was once, but the gnomes had wine and stuff, i got drunk and i don't remember anything :(
[22:06] <apachelogger> if it still build depends on libglew it most apparently still is kap0tt
[22:07] <apachelogger> sheytan: case in point
[22:07]  * apachelogger prepares for sleeps and stuff
[22:07] <apachelogger> mostly stuff
[22:07] <shadeslayer> hmm
[22:07] <apachelogger> that reminds me
[22:08] <shadeslayer> could someone merge avogadro with this diff from debian : http://paste.ubuntu.com/612052/
[22:08] <apachelogger> tomorrow at 9 I need to explain the logic behind some 4 apps with an overal codebase of about 10k
[22:08] <apachelogger> it is slightly scary I might say
[22:08] <sheytan> apachelogger do  you have a ping pajama?
[22:08] <sheytan> pink*
[22:08] <shadeslayer> lol
[22:09] <sheytan> with ponnys and stuff :D
[22:09] <shadeslayer> anyways, i'm off to sleep
[22:09] <shadeslayer> ciao
[22:09] <sheytan> bye
[22:09]  * apachelogger is a bed nudist
[22:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: good night, and watch out for them dragons
[22:10] <apachelogger> what is interesting is that Quintasan went to bed before shadeslayer did, yet shadeslayer is living in the future, so it must be like tomorrow afternoon for him
[22:12] <sheytan> back to the future 2
[22:12] <sheytan> that was a cool movie
[22:13] <apachelogger> no
[22:13] <sheytan> yes
[22:13] <stalcup> yes
[22:13] <sheytan> i  mean doch! :D
[22:13] <apachelogger> barbie in the nutcracker was
[22:13] <stalcup> nothing beats the hoverboard
[22:13] <apachelogger> the name by itself is epic
[22:14] <sheytan> apachelogger what do you smoke, dude? :D
[22:14] <sheytan> share some :D
[22:14] <apachelogger> http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi3317170457/
[22:15] <apachelogger> this one is better actually http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi3300393241/
[22:16]  * sheytan is looking for someone who teach him turkich language :D
[22:17] <apachelogger> lord google can help
[22:18] <sheytan> apachelogger it can't. In turkish one word sometimes means a whole sentece :D
[22:18] <sheytan> which google translates wrong
[22:18] <stalcup> wth? I voted buttons?   :P
[22:19] <stalcup> sounds like some kind of trickery
[22:20] <micahg> apachelogger: what do you think of the idea of a qt-webkit packageset?
[22:21] <apachelogger> what would be the use case for it?
[22:22] <micahg> apachelogger: people that want to focus on qtwebkit and its rdepends
[22:23] <apachelogger> on first thought, wouldn't a general Qt packageset be more useful?
[22:24] <micahg> well, qtwebkit is its own beast, but that might be nice as well
[22:24]  * micahg has a specific need for it
[22:24]  * apachelogger fears the need is secret :P
[22:25] <micahg> apachelogger: no, I'll be touching it later this summer and hopefully keeping it up to date with security patches, and would like to be able to keep it up to date in the dev release as well
[22:26]  * micahg wonders how many packagesets he can get before they make him go for core-dev
[22:27] <apachelogger> generally I think a qtwebkit packageset would be good, but regarding the up-to-dateness I should mention that we plan on having tight control of what version we ship, so we can align with rekonq developers thus improving quality of rekonq in Kubuntu
[22:28] <persia> micahg, Not that many, generally speaking, unless you continue to pick especially esoteric ones.
[22:28] <persia> (being MOTU counts against you in this regard)
[22:28] <micahg> persia: qtwebkit + GTK webkit + mozilla :)
[22:29] <micahg> apachelogger: oh, definitely, not talking about up to date WRT version as much as security patches
[22:29]  * persia is unable to have a response
[22:29] <apachelogger> in fact that was one of the immediate things necessary to stay with rekonq as most issues we had in the past appeared to be coming from us having a different version than what rekonq upstream was developing against
[22:29] <apachelogger> micahg: oh, that would be cool
[22:29] <apachelogger> micahg: why not become kubuntu developer ;)
[22:29] <debfx> micahg: what's the point of a packageset with only one package in it? ;)
[22:29] <apachelogger> I reckon qtwebkit is part of the kubuntu packageset.... :D
[22:29] <micahg> apachelogger: I was wondering about that
[22:30] <micahg> debfx: it would have qtwebkit + rdepends
[22:30] <micahg> apachelogger: that's why I asked if you thought it was useful as its own stack, otherwise, I could just go for kubuntu-dev
[22:30] <debfx> hm why rdepends?
[22:30] <micahg> debfx: when you update qtwebkit, rdepends might need tweaking
[22:32]  * debfx hopes that will never be the case
[22:32] <apachelogger> micahg: IMHO kubuntu dev would be the better choice as the kubuntu packageset is probably the biggest stake holder of qtwebkit anyway
[22:32] <apachelogger> also we'll need to introduce a new qtwebkit based browser for touchscreens... :)
[22:32] <debfx> though a number of packages ftbfs with new qt versions in the past
[22:34] <debfx> micahg: with chromium constantly getting security updates, do the security issue usually not affect {qt,gtk}webkit?
[22:35] <micahg> debfx: no, it has its own copy
[22:35] <micahg> err, rather, yes, they are affected
[22:36] <micahg> but Google doesn't release exploit info
[22:36] <debfx> nice
[22:41] <debfx> micahg: do you think the situation is going to improve for {qt,gtk}webkit? it doesn't seem like upstream provides much security support for qtwebkit
[22:41] <micahg> debfx: yes, they're planning on point releases soon
[22:42] <debfx> I wonder how that will turn out since qtwebkit will still be bundled with qt 4.8
[22:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: I'll be eating the arm farm by the end of the week
[22:43] <apachelogger> going to get qt supplied with some meego patches for GL on the n900
[22:51] <apachelogger> rbelem: you are no kubuntu member? :O
[22:54] <ScottK> apachelogger: We should schedule a meeting.
[22:54] <ScottK> (for next week)
[22:54]  * apachelogger might not be on the council anymore by then :P
[22:54] <ScottK> FSVO we.
[22:56] <rbelem> apachelogger, nope :'(
[22:57]  * apachelogger cleans out pending memberships
[22:57] <apachelogger> rbelem: if you add yourself quickly to the meeting page I might not decline your membership :P
[22:58] <rbelem> apachelogger, i'm there
[22:59] <rbelem> apachelogger, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings :-D
[22:59] <apachelogger> that is cheating
[23:00] <apachelogger> ScottK: I really feel the team should be invite only
[23:00] <apachelogger> every few months I clean out the pending applicants and usually 0.01% are actually known to me, let alone no one I rejected thus far actually applied after that
[23:01] <ScottK> Sounds like a topic for the next meeting.
[23:01] <rbelem> apachelogger, Kubuntu/Meetings (last edited 19.04.2011 08:40:19 by Rodrigo Belem) :-D
[23:01] <apachelogger> rbelem: that is cheating
[23:02] <rbelem> :-D
[23:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Council/Messages
[23:09] <apachelogger> templates FTW I say
[23:10] <ScottK> Made some small edits in the elections one.
[23:11] <apachelogger> groovy
[23:12] <apachelogger> might also add one later for announcement of new kubuntu council members I suppose, though we never really announced that IIRC
[23:12] <apachelogger> which is a bit of a shame really
[23:12] <apachelogger> council work is highly under appreciated :S
[23:12] <ScottK> We should.
[23:13] <apachelogger> I am glad to report: pending memberships cleaned up
[23:13] <apachelogger> only valid one is rbelem
[23:14] <apachelogger> rbelem should get a free hug for that
[23:14] <apachelogger> kubotu: order a free hug for rbelem
[23:14]  * kubotu slides a free hug down the bar to rbelem
[23:14] <rbelem> :-D
[23:14]  * rbelem hugs apachelogger
[23:14] <apachelogger> haha, actually Tarun Kumar Mall I think I rejected to
[23:15] <apachelogger> not enlisted where he is suppoed to be
[23:15] <apachelogger> then again I think our meeting page needs a make over
[23:15]  * rbelem hugs kubotu
[23:15] <apachelogger> super confusing
[23:16] <apachelogger> ScottK: do you think there is actual merit to having a kubuntu themed wiki?
[23:17] <apachelogger> I remember well the days when I was young, I found it a bit confusing when you go to wiki.kubuntu.org and find loads of stuff about ubuntu, whereas kubuntu lives in /Kubuntu
[23:17] <ScottK> apachelogger: I do.
[23:17] <ScottK> I would get very tired of wikiing very quickly if I had to do it in orange or purple.
[23:18] <apachelogger> lol
[23:18] <ScottK> It would be nice, however, if our wiki theme didn't suck due to being super antiquated.
[23:18] <apachelogger> aubergine it is btw :P
[23:19] <debfx> apachelogger: why don't you mark the team as restricted?
[23:20] <apachelogger> debfx: that is the topic for next meeting :P
[23:20] <debfx> aha :)
[23:22]  * apachelogger likes how ubuntu wiki macros apparently are not documented at all
[23:25] <apachelogger> hm
[23:26] <apachelogger> is it just me or is "This page is linked directly from the Ubuntu Fridge, so please click here to return." on the meeting page rather moot considering browsers have a back button?
[23:28] <micahg> back button with HTTPS doesn't always work
[23:30] <apachelogger> hm, didn't know that
[23:40] <apachelogger> general observation: do not blog important things on friday, however I forgot this essential rule is a mystery
[23:43] <DarkwingDuck> Hey guys
[23:47]  * yofel_ is off to bed, good night
[23:58] <DasKreech> Hello
[23:59] <DasKreech> what's Ballmer's peak?