[10:01] <l33o> hi
[10:02] <l33o> can i ask 2 things about ubuntustudio 11.10 ?
[16:10] <artzra> hi
[16:10] <artzra> every bodu
[16:11] <artzra> can i havehelp to add a sound card in my patchage or connect ?
[16:13] <artzra> how add a sound card in patchage
[16:13] <artzra> ?
[16:13] <artzra> is there a tricks or a plugin to do that ?
[19:16] <plotino> hi
[19:43] <Guest40323> hi
[19:45] <Guest40323> hi every body
[19:45] <Guest40323> i have a question about multi input control
[19:46] <Guest40323> anybody have a trick to control two sound card in input ??? thx
[19:48] <Guest40323> i have made my my loops effect with my sound card with jackd but i have a another usb card and a want to add this in a loop in connect jackd or patchage


[09:44] <slickymasterWork> damn connection
[16:59] <belkinsa> Doc Team meeting in Hour in #ubuntu-meeting!
[16:59] <belkinsa> In an hour*
[17:42] <belkinsa> Meeting is in 15 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting!
[17:49] <belkinsa> Meeting in 10 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting!
[17:54] <belkinsa> Meeting in 5 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting!
[17:59] <belkinsa> The meeting, in #ubuntu-meeting, is starting right now!
[18:00] <belkinsa> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda
[18:00] <belkinsa> Who is here for the Doc Team meeting?
[18:01] <belkinsa> Sorry, wrong window.
[18:39] <shaunm> GunnarHj: some teams have included virtual participants in their sprints in the past. I don't control what happens in the sprints
[18:40] <shaunm> I've done in-person sprints and I've done virtual sprints. they both have their strengths and weaknesses. but virtual sprints are just no substitute for face time with your community
[18:41] <pleia2> agreed, in person sprints are super useful
[18:41] <GunnarHj> shaunm: Ok, I see. The problem is the distance.
[18:41] <pleia2> yeah, it's hard for an all volunteer team to find resources for such a thing
[18:41] <shaunm> sure. unfortunately, the planet is rather big
[18:42] <pleia2> Canonical does have community funding that we might look into: http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/
[18:42] <shaunm> does canonical not have money to throw at volunteer community members?
[18:43] <knome> hmm.
[18:43] <belkinsa> knome, meeting in #ubuntu-meeting, if you want to join in.
[18:44] <pleia2> it would require a pretty detailed proposal to bring to canoncal and buy-in from the whole team, but I think it's a real option
[18:44] <pleia2> and they don't disclose how much money exists in this community pool, so I'd shoot for being frugal
[18:45] <knome> hehe
[19:03] <belkinsa> Well, that was a fail.
[19:03] <knome> what then? :)
[19:03] <belkinsa> Maybe we should do the meetings here instead.
[19:04] <godbyk> belkinsa: What was a fail?
[19:04] <knome> probably.
[19:04] <godbyk> We could hold meetings in this channel. We have the meetingology bot here.
[19:04] <pmatulis_> this channel could use some activity.  it's been dead for a few years
[19:04] <belkinsa> Yeah and we can have longer meetings.
[19:04] <godbyk> And we don't have to worry about scheduling conflicts with others.
[19:05] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: Are we returning to the meeting?
[19:05] <belkinsa> You think we can move on with the meeting here with meetingology?
[19:05] <knome> #startmeeting
[19:05] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed May  7 19:05:52 2014 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[19:05] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[19:05] <knome> #chair belkinsa
[19:05] <meetingology> Current chairs: belkinsa knome
[19:05] <belkinsa> godbyk, and pmatulis_
[19:05] <knome> #unchair knome
[19:05] <meetingology> Current chairs: belkinsa knome
[19:06] <belkinsa> #chair godbyk pmatulis_
[19:06] <meetingology> Current chairs: belkinsa godbyk knome pmatulis_
[19:06] <belkinsa> #unchair knome
[19:06] <meetingology> Current chairs: belkinsa godbyk knome pmatulis_
[19:06] <godbyk> knome: You were awfully spry with meetingology.. sure you don't want to be a chair? :-)
[19:06] <knome> yeah, i'm running in 5
[19:06] <godbyk> Anyway..
[19:06] <knome> heh, the #unchair command doesn't work
[19:06] <godbyk> We were discussing polling to see who users the docs and how often, etc.
[19:06] <belkinsa> #topic Desktop: Finding a driver
[19:06] <godbyk> knome: Guess you're stuck with it!
[19:07] <knome> ;)
[19:07] <knome> will contact people who'll fix the bot! :P
[19:07] <belkinsa> #topic Desktop: Making poll for Doc Team
[19:08] <belkinsa> Maybe this could be worked out via the mailing-list and brought up again in the next meeting?
[19:09] <godbyk> That's fine with me. Has anyone volunteered to start that discussion?
[19:11] <pmatulis_> i brought it up but it should really come from a desktop person
[19:12] <belkinsa> Well, it could be all forms of the docs.
[19:12] <belkinsa> it = poll.
[19:12] <godbyk> pmatulis_: There's no reason you can't send an email to the list about it, though. :)
[19:12] <pmatulis_> godbyk: i can send an email, no biggie
[19:12] <godbyk> pmatulis_: (I don't think there's are any toes to be stepped on. ;-))
[19:12] <belkinsa> #action pmatulis_ Send e-mail to the List about making a poll
[19:12] <meetingology> ACTION: pmatulis_ Send e-mail to the List about making a poll
[19:12] <GunnarHj> pmatulis_: Thanks. :) (There are not so many desktop people around, that's where we began the discussion.)
[19:12] <knome> bbl.
[19:12] <belkinsa> See ya knome
[19:13] <pmatulis_> GunnarHj: well, there's only one server people around :)
[19:13] <belkinsa> Moving on...
[19:13] <belkinsa> ;topic Desktop: Stable release update before 14.04.1?
[19:14] <belkinsa> #topic Desktop: Stable release update before 14.04.1?
[19:14] <pmatulis_> and if you guys don't mind, i need to pick up a certain small person at a certain school bus stop or a certain person is going to get into a whole heap of certain trouble.  be back in 10 for the server part
[19:14] <belkinsa> Sure, pmatulis_
[19:14] <GunnarHj> The bot seems to be off.
[19:15] <GunnarHj> My item anyway.
[19:15] <belkinsa> No, it's normal.  It only works like that in the meeting channel.
[19:15] <GunnarHj> Ok..
[19:16] <belkinsa> I think we will need it since there will many upgrading from 12.04 LTS to this one.
[19:17] <GunnarHj> I thought that since 14.04 is a LTS, we should make it possible to improve the desktop guide compared to what was shipped in April. But considering the item we just discussed, I'm currently not very inclined to open up ubuntu-docs for trusty.
[19:18] <belkinsa> Yeah, I agree until we know how many are really using the docs.
[19:18] <godbyk> Is there are to do list for desktop docs for 14.04.1?
[19:18] <GunnarHj> godbyk: No.
[19:18] <GunnarHj> godbyk: There are a few bug reports, that's all.
[19:19] <belkinsa> Maybe a to do list is needed to keep the sub-team on track
[19:19] <GunnarHj> Indeed. That's why a driver would have been nice to have. ;)
[19:20] <GunnarHj> I suggest that we leave it as is for now.
[19:20] <belkinsa> Maybe I can be the temp one to just get a task list going?
[19:21] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: Are you volunteering as a temporary desktop guide driver?
[19:21] <belkinsa> GunnarHj, yeah, but I  think I might be barking up the wrong tree here
[19:24] <GunnarHj> Actually, as long as we are only talking about fixing known bugs, we don't need a todo list.
[19:24] <belkinsa> Let's just leave it here until we know the usage of the docs
[19:25] <GunnarHj> +1
[19:25] <godbyk> brb
[19:26] <belkinsa> Okay.
[19:26] <belkinsa> We will be skipping to Ubuntu Manual since pmatulis_ is not here yet.
[19:26] <belkinsa> #topic Ubuntu Manual
[19:27] <belkinsa> godbyk, I know there was some talk in the mailing-list about the manual but do you have anything to bring up?
[19:29] <pmatulis_> back
[19:30] <belkinsa> Welcome back
[19:30] <belkinsa> We skipped your items but they will be next once godbyk gets back.
[19:32] <belkinsa> Or not.
[19:32] <belkinsa> #topic Server: Revisit option of moving from XML Docbook to RST Markdown
[19:32] <belkinsa> Objective: lowering barrier to contribution; a common complaint
[19:32] <belkinsa> We have lots of time since the Server Guide is only officially published every LTS
[19:32] <belkinsa> I've already gone over the main machinations to do this
[19:32] <belkinsa> Primary issue is fixing all the broken stuff caused by the conversion (lots of broken hyperlinks)
[19:32] <belkinsa> Secondary issue is settling on the appearance/theme; example here: http://serverguide.papamike.ca:8081/
[19:32] <belkinsa> Discuss changes in workflow for translators as part of changing to Markdown
[19:32] <belkinsa> What changes in workflow are needed to create the PDF version. Will pandoc do the job? Effectively YES
[19:34] <belkinsa> Also is there another other server person here along with pmatulis_?
[19:35] <pmatulis_> nope, just me to my knowledge
[19:35] <belkinsa> Then I think this could be talked in the list of this team and the Server team, if possible,
[19:35] <pmatulis_> er, ok
[19:35] <belkinsa> If that is okay with you.
[19:36] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: Why are you so reluctant to use the meeting to talk about things?
[19:36] <pmatulis_> it's fine, i'll send another email :)
[19:37] <belkinsa> Because we lack people and it's impossible to get anything done now.  And we are going to the 120 minute mark.
[19:38] <belkinsa> The start was fine.
[19:38] <pmatulis_> it's ok
[19:38] <GunnarHj> Ok.. Maybe this will improve when we meet more often.
[19:38] <belkinsa> I think it will.  ;)
[19:38] <belkinsa> And also I think when we know how many are really using the docs.
[19:39] <pmatulis_> the upshot is that i'm all alone with the server guide in terms of driving/reviewing/committing
[19:39] <GunnarHj> Re using the docs, personally I think that's part of a huge topic. But I'll comment on the list.
[19:40] <GunnarHj> pmatulis_: Upshot? ;)
[19:40] <pmatulis_> and contributions are dwindling to record low levels
[19:40] <pmatulis_> GunnarHj: s/upshot/summary
[19:41] <GunnarHj> ok
[19:41] <belkinsa> I see.
[19:41] <belkinsa> I think it's happening in most teams, losing numbers.
[19:41] <pmatulis_> i send emails out and get replies.  i take the time to reply, but nothing *ever* comes back
[19:41] <GunnarHj> So basically the situation for the server is just as poor as for the desktop guide. :(
[19:41] <pmatulis_> hence the agenda of moving to a more palatable format, markdown
[19:42] <belkinsa> And i think is the same for Ubuntu Manual and the wiki.
[19:42] <GunnarHj> I think we should highlight this at the vUDS.
[19:43] <belkinsa> +1
[19:43] <pmatulis_> we do every time
[19:44] <GunnarHj> Then let's do it louder. :)
[19:44] <belkinsa> Might not help.
[19:44] <knome> hmph.
[19:44] <pmatulis_> it's hard to compete with the likes of google/askubuntu/forums.  if readership is low (people tend towards 'gimme the answer'), people do not sense a big importance
[19:44] <belkinsa> I thought you were gone, knome.
[19:44] <knome> to be honest, i don't think any markup is the blocker.
[19:44] <knome> i'm back.
[19:45] <belkinsa> Welcome back.
[19:45] <belkinsa> knome, I agree, it's the readership.
[19:45] <knome> if there aren't people to guide the new contributors with whatever issues they have, they are not going to contribute
[19:45] <knome> most might have problems or be unsure with even reporting bugs
[19:46] <belkinsa> I think we are in that cultural sense of just give me the answer.
[19:46] <pmatulis_> knome: you feel that people do not contribute b/c of a lack of support/guidance?
[19:47] <knome> yeah.
[19:47] <pmatulis_> i don't think people even get far enough to know
[19:47] <knome> that's part of it
[19:47] <GunnarHj> I tend to agree with pmatulis_ on that one.
[19:47] <pmatulis_> they just look at the procedures and close the tab, or at best go to the wiki instead
[19:47] <belkinsa> I'm just chaning the topic since we are talking about already.
[19:48] <belkinsa> #topic Any other Business
[19:48] <knome> if we think the procedures page is a bit too daunting, rewrite it
[19:48] <belkinsa> We could.
[19:48] <knome> tbh, why point any new people to specific procedures anyway?
[19:48] <belkinsa> Didn't balloons say something about it?
[19:48] <knome> why not tell them "you can help us and it's easy (lies!)"
[19:49] <balloons> ^-^
[19:49] <knome> then point them to a resource where they can talk with people
[19:49] <pmatulis_> anyway, based on the last 4 or so UDSs, people keep mentioning lowering the barrier by replacing XML with something simpler.  it is definitely a PITA to deal with
[19:49] <knome> ...and get enough people to talk with them
[19:49] <knome> pmatulis_, who people?
[19:49] <knome> pmatulis_, the people who contribute?
[19:49] <pmatulis_> knome: the people who decide to show up to the UDS sessions or remotely on irc
[19:50] <belkinsa> And not do any work for the team?
[19:50] <GunnarHj> pmatulis_: Which are probably not prospective contributors.
[19:50] <belkinsa> or the project.
[19:50] <pmatulis_> if *those* people are saying this, you need to wonder about how the average joe feels
[19:50]  * knome shrugs
[19:51] <knome> we recently rewrote the whole xubuntu documentation
[19:51] <knome> while i converted most of the stuff to docbook, others have done that as well and it has been no problem
[19:51] <knome> there are enough examples around.
[19:51] <knome> in the documentation, that is
[19:51] <pmatulis_> interesting.  you get enough contributions for xubuntu?
[19:51] <knome> want to know how something is done? look that up in the source.
[19:52] <belkinsa> And readership.
[19:52] <godbyk> Sorry, guys. I had a phone call and I need to get back to some other work now. I'll read the logs of this conversation later, though.
[19:52] <pmatulis_> knome: look what up in the source?
[19:52] <GunnarHj> We would probably need more of that community spirit as you apparently have in xubuntu.
[19:52] <godbyk> belkinsa: Thanks for setting up and chairing the meeting today!
[19:52] <belkinsa> godbyk, alright/
[19:52] <belkinsa> Not a problem
[19:52] <knome> pmatulis_, look up how it's done.
[19:52] <pmatulis_> knome: how what is done?
[19:53] <knome> ~xubuntu-doc is 9 members, of which pretty much everybody are either active or were active when we did the rewriting
[19:53] <knome> pmatulis_, well, anything you want to know...
[19:53] <pmatulis_> knome: about writing XML?
[19:53] <belkinsa> Look, I think we *need* to first figure out the readership then work on lowering that barrier to entry to change something.
[19:53] <knome> pmatulis_, "hey, there's a cool infobox there"
[19:53] <knome> pmatulis_, -> go see the source and copypaste, change the content
[19:53] <knome> pmatulis_, "i wonder how to add that kind of header"
[19:53] <knome> pmatulis_, -> go see the source and copypaste
[19:54] <knome> i understand some people are not interested in doing things like that, or learn low-medium -difficulty things
[19:55] <knome> but hey... maybe docs is not for them then.
[19:55] <knome> maybe they prefer giving irc support
[19:55] <knome> but to my original point...
[19:55] <knome> i don't think any markup is a problem
[19:55] <knome> if people are motivated to help, they will
[19:55] <knome> we can't motivate them to help by telling how easy our markup is.
[19:56] <pmatulis_> there are degrees of motivation
[19:56] <knome> that's not a marketing point.
[19:56]  * belkinsa sighs.
[19:56] <knome> it's cool and nice that it is easy
[19:56] <belkinsa> I think I want to end this and just have it in a non-meeting setting.
[19:56] <knome> but it itself won't gather contributors
[19:56] <knome> belkinsa, why?
[19:56] <knome> belkinsa, aren't the meetings for discussion?
[19:57] <belkinsa> Good point but I think it's just you two now.
[19:57] <belkinsa> And we are at the two hour makr.
[19:57] <belkinsa> mark
[19:57] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: me too
[19:57] <belkinsa> Oh, sorry, GunnarHj.
[19:57] <knome> i imagine the logs for the meeting will be specifically up on the meetings page
[19:57] <belkinsa> They will.
[19:57] <knome> regular irc logs arent'.
[19:58] <belkinsa> Good point.
[19:58] <knome> or they are, but you really have to dig deep to find anything
[19:58] <GunnarHj> And this discussion is indeed important.
[19:58] <knome> seems like pmatulis_ went quiet though
[19:58] <belkinsa> FIne.
[19:58] <pmatulis_> i'm here
[19:58] <knome> pmatulis_, so if we had a simpler markup, contributors would flood in from doors and windows? :)
[19:59] <pmatulis_> pretend you are a horse
[19:59] <pmatulis_> and you see some obstacles up ahead
[19:59] <pmatulis_> you will tend to shy away from the really talls ones, unless you are a super horse
[20:00] <knome> now you are saying the markup is the first obstacle
[20:00] <knome> it shouldn't
[20:00] <knome> (be)
[20:03] <GunnarHj> knome: Well, you mentioned 9 active contributors to the xubuntu docs. If we had just half of that for standard Ubuntu we could accomplish a lot.
[20:04] <knome> exactly
[20:04] <pmatulis_> if we presume an interest in contributing, then, yes, the procedures presents an obstacle that the person either overcomes or does not
[20:05] <knome> the average contributor doesn't mind *any* procedures
[20:05] <knome> it makes contributing sound like a lot of work
[20:06] <knome> if they could chat with somebody who explained them some of the procedures while they were asking questions, the barried would be a lot lower
[20:06] <knome> "oh btw, we have these procedures, but you know half of them already"
[20:06] <knome> and if people do something "wrong"... what does it matter?
[20:06] <knome> the procedures should hardly be the starting point
[20:08] <pmatulis_> well, answer me this then.  why is the wiki & askubuntu & forums an evergrowing pile of contributions while those that depend on docbook are not?  because it's easy as hell, that's why
[20:09] <knome> they are different kind of projects to begin with
[20:09] <knome> the point is human interaction
[20:09] <GunnarHj> Well, I for one think the main problem is a lack of people with a true interest in contributing. People with a true interest in contributing are not intimidated by a few procedures. They understand that they are needed.
[20:09] <knome> except in wikis, where the point is "everybody acan edit"
[20:09] <knome> the documentation is different by design
[20:10] <knome> whether it was in docbook or markdown
[20:11] <GunnarHj> pmatulis_: I think I have an answer to why it's easier to make people contribute to askubuntu and forums: By answering there you instantly shows how skilled you are. People like that. :)
[20:12] <pmatulis_> GunnarHj: there is some of that isn't there.  good point
[20:12] <knome> yeah, social acceptance too
[20:14] <belkinsa> It is a today's culture thing.
[20:15] <GunnarHj> OTOH askubuntu, forums and such are ineffective. The same questions and answers are posted multiple times at multiple places. That's why a core set of docs is a good thing.
[20:15] <belkinsa> That's why I think we need to figire out readership.
[20:15] <pmatulis_> GunnarHj: you mean inefficient prolly
[20:15] <belkinsa> Indeed, GunnarHj and that's why I questioned why the need of AskUbuntu/Forums.
[20:16] <pmatulis_> GunnarHj: but, they supply what the people want
[20:16] <GunnarHj> pmatulis_: Yeah, I probably mean inefficient. Sorry.
[20:16] <pmatulis_> GunnarHj: a quick answer to their problem
[20:16] <GunnarHj> pmatulis_: True.
[20:16] <belkinsa> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2013-December/018229.html
[20:18] <GunnarHj> Which leads me to the conclusion that our difficulties in recruiting contributors depends on the fact that there are far too many willing answerers in the forums. :)
[20:18] <pmatulis_> so we are weak at both the readership level and the contributor level (boring anonymous xml drudgery)
[20:18] <belkinsa> +1
[20:18] <belkinsa> Yes.
[20:19] <pmatulis_> difficult for sure
[20:21] <pmatulis_> not to mention the fact that our own doc contributor pool is splintered into wiki.ubuntu.com, help.ubuntu.com/community, help.ubuntu.com, ubuntu manual
[20:21] <knome> wiki.ubuntu.com shouldn't be documentation.
[20:21] <belkinsa> Yeah, more for team pages and that such things/
[20:22] <knome> if there are documentation bits there, they should be directed at developers and at most, testers
[20:22] <pmatulis_> i stand corrected
[20:23] <knome> it's likely that there is some documentation there though... if you bump into it, notice it on the channel
[20:23] <pmatulis_> quick check gave me
[20:23] <pmatulis_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Support
[20:23] <pmatulis_> and it didn't take long
[20:24] <knome> that's borderline
[20:24] <pmatulis_> anyway, i made my point!
[20:24] <knome> and the kernel team probably prefers to maintain it there
[20:24] <belkinsa> I agree with knome.
[20:25] <pmatulis_> they evidently do prefer to keep their documentation there
[20:26] <pmatulis_> anyway, i'm fried.  anything else to the meeting?
[20:26] <GunnarHj> The big challenge is that there are few "average Joes" among the Linux users. "Average Joe" does not run his own server per se, and most desktop users are power users who don't mind googling around to get their expert questions answered.
[20:26] <belkinsa> Nothing.  I'm not in the mood to talk about the Wiki sub-team item since no one of the PopularsPages are here.
[20:27] <belkinsa> I think we just need to try to get monthly meetings going and a poll about readership up.
[20:27] <belkinsa> And network with developers.
[20:29] <belkinsa> And sorry for my mood shift.
[20:29] <GunnarHj> I'm going to problematize that readership poll. But let me do so on the list.
[20:29] <belkinsa> Sure.
[20:30] <belkinsa> ANd it's pmatulis_ action item to bring it up.
[20:30] <GunnarHj> right
[20:30] <knome> i'm sure he doesn't mind if GunnarHj brings it up.
[20:30] <knome> just get things done
[20:30] <belkinsa> #action GunnarHj Be the back up of pmatulis_'s item
[20:30] <meetingology> ACTION: GunnarHj Be the back up of pmatulis_'s item
[20:31] <GunnarHj> ok, I can be backup. :)
[20:31] <belkinsa> Okay!  I'm calling this meeting to an end.  Thanks for all for coming.
[20:31] <belkinsa> #endmeeting
[20:31] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed May  7 20:32:15 2014 UTC.
[20:31] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-doc/2014/ubuntu-doc.2014-05-07-19.05.moin.txt
[20:32] <pmatulis_> let's try to keep this channel active
[20:32] <knome> thanks.
[20:32] <knome> let's keep on doing regular meetings
[20:32] <belkinsa> pmatulis_, I agree and maybe use meetingology for discussion to log them.
[20:32] <belkinsa> knome, we will.
[20:32] <GunnarHj> Thanks all!
[20:33] <pmatulis_> bye peeps
[20:33] <belkinsa> See ya, pmatulis_


[09:10] <rbasak> Is anyone aware of a regression in precise for pandas? Or any changes made since yesterday that might be relevant? I had an automated install working yesterday, but it is failing to boot after the installer today, and I haven't changed anything.
[09:13] <infinity> rbasak: Not that I know of.
[09:13] <infinity> rbasak: You mean fresh installs don't work, or a dist-upgraded one has failed to continue working?
[09:13] <rbasak> fresh installs don't work
[09:13] <rbasak> I'm just trying oneiric now to check it's not something not archive related
[09:14] <infinity> There was a new kernel yesterday.  Could be broken, or the images could just be suffering from some archive breakage.
[09:16] <rbasak> ok, thanks. I might ask for some help debugging this in a bit
[11:11] <rbasak> OK I think there's a regression for panda in the new kernel. It just doesn't boot, no output after "Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.", even with quiet etc. removed from the command line. The installer works fine. Any help please?
[11:12] <rbasak> or can anyone reproduce?
[11:16] <janimo> rbasak, I know there was such a bug in omap4 kernel last Linaro release, worked around by passing a compiler flag
[11:16] <janimo> but not sure about latest kernels
[12:32] <Spider-Pork> I've followed this guide for booting from USB instead of SD card on my pandaboard. It boot but is really, really slow and the board seems to continuosly access USB HD. I'm using prebuild image for ubuntu 11.10 http://omappedia.org/wiki/Prebuilt_ubuntu_binaries. Is it normal? Thank you
[12:33] <Spider-Pork> ops, ---> this guide http://omappedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_on_OMAP_FAQ#I_want_to_install_Ubuntu_on_external_USB_hard_disk_instead_of_sluggish_SD_card
[13:52] <GrueMaster> Spider-Pork: Not sure what to tell you on that because I haven't tried that method.  I use the netinstall image to install to a USB drive (Sata) and it seems fairly responsive.
[13:52] <Giovani_br> Hi, I would like to have a console terminal in the serial port, instead of the hdmi. How can I configure?
[13:52] <GrueMaster> Giovani_br: Desktop image or server image?
[13:53] <Spider-Pork> GrueMaster: oh is possible to install on external drive with netinstall?
[13:53] <Spider-Pork> where you put the url to external disk?
[13:53] <Spider-Pork> you put image of netinstall on SD right?
[13:53] <Spider-Pork> and then from netinstall put external disk URL?
[13:53] <Giovani_br> GrueMaster: server image, I am using pandaboard. I have the serial port connected the last message says: "stopping read required files in advance [ OK ]" then the login screen is displayed in the hdmi
[13:53] <GrueMaster> It still requires an SD, but the rootfs & swap get installed on the usb drive.
[13:54] <Spider-Pork> GrueMaster: ok but how you done it?
[13:54] <GrueMaster> Giovani_br: The server image should create a login tty on the serial port.
[13:54] <Giovani_br> GrueMaster: it is not creating ;/
[13:55] <Giovani_br> ubuntu-11.10-preinstalled-server-armel+omap4.img this is the image
[13:55] <Quintasan> ARGH
[13:55] <Quintasan> ogra_: ping
[13:55] <Spider-Pork> ok, you wrote it on your SD right?
[13:55] <Giovani_br> GrueMaster: the login tty is on the hdmi port
[13:55] <GrueMaster> Spider-Pork:  Download the netinstall image from http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/oneiric/main/installer-armel/current/images/omap4/netboot/
[13:56] <GrueMaster> Spider-Pork: Use one of boot.img-[serial|fb].  The serial one puts the config screen out to the serial console, and the fb will run install from the screen.
[13:57] <Spider-Pork> ok and then how you indicate URL for external drive?
[13:57] <Spider-Pork> the alternate install ask to you?
[13:57] <GrueMaster> Giovani_br: What do you have on the serial console?  Do you see u-boot messages?
[13:57] <Giovani_br> GrueMaster: yes
[13:57] <GrueMaster> Spider-Pork: The installer will have a section on guided partitioning.
[13:57] <Giovani_br> GrueMaster: also linux messages
[13:57] <Spider-Pork> GrueMaster: thank you!
[13:57] <Giovani_br> but not the login
[13:57] <GrueMaster> Giovani_br: Which image are you running?
[13:58] <Giovani_br> GrueMaster: ubuntu-11.10-preinstalled-server-armel+omap4.img
[13:58] <GrueMaster> Very odd.  I have that running here on one of my pandas.  It sounds like you either are missing /etc/init/ttyO2.conf, or it is corrupted.
[14:00] <Giovani_br> I will see in the sd card
[14:11] <reisei> \quit
[14:20] <Spider-Pork> GrueMaster: on netboot installer, you have selected ubuntu desktop USB?
[14:22] <Spider-Pork> *have you
[14:23] <GrueMaster> No, select Ubuntu-desktop.  The other one isfor creating a live USBstick (and I think it is only for x86).
[14:24] <Spider-Pork> ok tyhankyou
[14:25] <GrueMaster> Spider-Pork: Are you using Oneiric?
[14:28] <Spider-Pork> GrueMaster: 11.10+
[14:28] <Spider-Pork> 11.10
[14:29] <GrueMaster> Ok, cool.  Reason I asked was we have a broken kernel in the 12.04 pool atm.
[14:29] <Spider-Pork> ok thank you
[14:30] <Spider-Pork> i came from openembedded. How ubuntu create these prebuild images?
[14:30] <ogra_> using the cdimage build servers in the canonical datacenter :)
[14:30] <Spider-Pork> for example: on openembedded I utilize bitbake my_image_recipe
[14:30] <GrueMaster> Magic fairy dust sprikled liberally over a lot of crappy scripts.
[14:31] <ogra_> they are assembled from the binary debs
[14:31] <Spider-Pork> ah ok
[14:31] <Spider-Pork> so i can't build my own ubuntu
[14:31] <Spider-Pork> i must wait prebuild images from canonical right?
[14:32] <ogra_> the tool building the filesystem is called live-build but that only gives you the content of the second partition
[14:32] <GrueMaster> You can, but I don't know how to get you started.  Others have before.
[14:32] <Spider-Pork> so i must build kernel and uboot
[14:32] <Spider-Pork> and boot.scr right?
[14:32] <ogra_> the image itself and the partitioninjg are done with the scripts from cdimage
[14:33] <Spider-Pork> ok
[14:33] <Spider-Pork> thank you
[14:33] <infinity> ppisati: *poke*
[14:33] <Spider-Pork> i'll study this system better
[14:34] <infinity> ppisati: Come join us in the ARM room for a second?
[14:34] <Spider-Pork> is there a doc about these stuff?
[15:03] <Spider-Pork> GrueMaster: are you sure about ubuntu desktop choice? After selected it nothing appeared then. Is blocked there, apparently doing nothing
[15:11] <GrueMaster> Spider-Pork: Unfortunately, I am not in a position to reproduce this at the moment.  I am going by memory.
[15:12] <GrueMaster> What are you seeing after the install finishes?    I'll be back online Monday to help further (1400 UTC).
[15:18] <Spider-Pork> thank you GrueMaster
[16:55] <rajo> hello
[17:51] <rajo> do anyone know how to extract omap armhf images
[17:51] <rajo> I want to modify those files offline ?
[17:52] <rajo> I have tried to mount, but with no luck
[17:52] <ndec> you mean something like this : http://omappedia.org/wiki/Add_Packages_To_Ubuntu_Preinstalled_Images#Mounting_the_pre-installed_rootfs
[17:54] <rajo> I will give it a chance. I am using Tegra2 based platform and want to test precise armhf port
[17:54] <rajo> thank you
[17:54] <ndec> the method in the wiki is exactly what you want to do I think!
[17:55] <rajo> I hope so ...
[23:57] <LetoThe2nd> rsalveti_: howdy. still remember poking the omap kernel and being intrigued by the '+' at the end of the name? in case you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/GitKernelBuild step 7 for where it comes from.
[23:58] <rsalveti_> LetoThe2nd: cool, didn't know about this wiki page
[23:58] <rsalveti_> something useful for people wanting to generate the deb packages from mainline
[23:58] <rsalveti_> thanks
[23:58] <LetoThe2nd> rsalveti_: np. whenever i stumble upon such things, i try t report back ;)
[23:59] <LetoThe2nd> (though i admit its been a few days ;P )
[23:59] <rsalveti> haha, np :-)
[23:59] <LetoThe2nd> good night and have a nice weekend then :)
[23:59] <rsalveti> you too, c-ya


[14:17] <mohamedalaa98> hey guys :D !
[14:17] <mohamedalaa98> Anybody there?
[14:19] <mohamedalaa98> ok, anyway I've submitted my app to the ubuntu app developer 6 months ago, in order to get it visible in the USC
[14:20] <mohamedalaa98> it's in the pending review state 6 for 6 months from now, so Can someone please review it?


[21:11] <krytarik> So I've just updated the 22.04 torrent link on the download page to .2 too.. I've been meaning to look earlier if all download links got updated already, but now we needed a reminder again at least for the other half.. >_<
[23:17] <knome> i wish somebody had coded an in-built check to see daily if links work, and try the expected next point release url if they didn't and update if that was found
[23:17] <knome> ..oh wait :P
[23:17] <knome> but tbh this is such an annoyance, why isn't there a "latest" symlink or sth


[07:32] <soee> good morning
[08:06] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:25] <Riddell> hola
[09:30] <soee> hiho Riddell
[09:31] <soee> got my message form yesterday ?
[09:34] <Riddell> soee: you had problems during an update?
[09:42] <soee> Riddell: a lot of packages where marked to be removed etc.
[09:42] <Riddell> soee: what were you updating?
[09:42] <soee> Riddell: just did apt update on Vivid
[09:42] <soee> that all
[09:43] <soee> so some packages in archive are a bit broken i think
[09:43] <soee> shadeslayer: ^ you remember this right?
[09:44] <Riddell> ah maybe they were/are incomplete for frameworks updates
[09:44] <Riddell> that's what was going through yesterday
[09:45] <Riddell> and still a couple to go
[09:46] <soee> ok, good to know :)
[10:19] <kranzer> Riddell: ping
[10:19] <Riddell> hi kranzer
[10:19] <kranzer> Riddell: can you help me now?
[10:20] <Riddell> where did you get to?
[10:20] <kranzer> where we were yesterday
[10:20] <kranzer> Riddell: don't know what to do with that patches
[10:21] <Riddell> have you looked at the patch to see what it does?
[10:21] <kranzer> yes
[10:21] <Riddell> have you looked at the code it patches to see what needs to be done now?
[10:22] <kranzer> Riddell: yes, but it is as patch needs
[10:22] <Riddell> no the layout of the CMakeLists.txt file has changed
[10:23] <Riddell> do you have a fresh digikam tar with debian/ directory ?
[10:23] <kranzer> Riddell: let's do it again(
[10:28] <Riddell> sitter: what does お早う mean? I hope it's not something rude
[10:28] <sitter> Riddell: ohayo
[10:28] <sitter> casual good morning
[10:28] <valorie> https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/%E3%81%8A%E6%97%A9%E3%81%86
[10:29] <kranzer> Riddell: okay, done fresh debian folder
[10:29] <Riddell> kranzer: pastebin  quilt push
[10:29] <kranzer> Riddell: what do I have to change in diffs?
[10:30] <kranzer> Riddell: https://paste.kde.org/pr9ichfrw
[10:32] <Riddell> well that looks broken
[10:32] <kranzer> Riddell: maybe chane versions?
[10:32] <kranzer> Riddell: in diffs?
[10:32] <Riddell> kranzer: pastebin  echo $QUILT_PATCHES; ls; ls extra/kipi-plugins/sendimages/
[10:33] <kranzer> Riddell: https://paste.kde.org/pjkd5lssw
[10:34] <Riddell> kranzer: export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches
[10:34] <kranzer> Riddell: done :)
[10:35] <Riddell> kranzer: quilt push  any different?
[10:35] <kranzer> File series fully applied, ends at patch debian/patches/upstream_bug338037.diff
[10:35] <kranzer> Riddell: what's now?
[10:36] <Riddell> sod it I'll set up another ec2
[10:36] <kranzer> Riddell: ??
[10:37] <kranzer> Riddell: sod it?
[10:40] <kranzer> Riddell: kranzer@kranzer-System-Product-Name:~/digicam/digikam-4.6.0$ quilt refresh Nothing in patch debian/patches/upstream_bug338037.diff
[10:43] <Riddell> kranzer: ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:43] <Riddell> password is foobar
[10:44] <Riddell> scp your .orig and debian/ directory into mnt/
[10:45] <kranzer> Riddell: how?
[10:54] <Riddell> kranzer: scp
[10:54] <Riddell> from your computer
[10:54] <Riddell> to the ec2 server
[10:54] <kranzer> Riddell: how?
[10:54] <Riddell> scp file<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:55] <Riddell> type password
[10:55] <Riddell> it copies
[10:57] <yofel> kranzer: do that on your pc, not on ec2
[10:57] <kranzer> ahhh
[10:57] <yofel> cp is always "cp SOURCE TARGET"
[10:58] <kranzer> Riddell: https://paste.kde.org/pp0d9yfda
[10:58] <yofel> kranzer: how do you copy folders with cp again?
[10:59] <kranzer> yofel:  scp /home/kranzer/digicam/digikam-4.6.0/debian<EMAIL_ADDRESS>
[10:59] <yofel> right, but what option do you need to pass to cp to recursively copy folders?
[11:00] <yofel> scp works the same as cp there
[11:01] <kranzer> yofel: kranzer@kranzer-System-Product-Name:~$ cp /home/kranzer/digicam/digikam-4.6.0/debian<EMAIL_ADDRESS> cp: omitting directory ‘/home/kranzer/digicam/digikam-4.6.0/debian’
[11:01] <yofel> ...
[11:02] <yofel> I said *recursively*, which means you need to pass -r for it to do that...
[11:02] <yofel> (see manpage)
[11:02] <kranzer> yofel: kranzer@kranzer-System-Product-Name:~$ cp -r /home/kranzer/digicam/digikam-4.6.0/debian<EMAIL_ADDRESS> cp: cannot create directory ‘ubuntu@ec2-54-211-4-59.compute-1.amazonaws.com/mnt:’: No such file or directory
[11:02] <yofel> manpages are a very useful thing if you're stuck
[11:02] <yofel> kranzer: well, you'll need scp
[11:03] <kranzer> yofel: the same
[11:03] <yofel> what does it say?
[11:03] <kranzer> cp: cannot create directory ‘ubuntu@ec2-54-211-4-59.compute-1.amazonaws.com/mnt:’: No such file or directory
[11:03] <kranzer> yofel: ^
[11:04] <yofel> ah, wrong target definition
[11:05] <yofel> use ubuntu@ec2-54-211-4-59.compute-1.amazonaws.com:/mnt/
[11:05] <kranzer> yofel: thanks
[11:06] <Riddell> no slash    ubuntu@ec2-54-211-4-59.compute-1.amazonaws.com:mnt/
[11:06] <yofel> ah oops
[11:07] <kranzer> yofel: Riddell: works
[11:09] <kranzer> Riddell: what to do now?
[11:10] <Riddell> kranzer: scp the .orig
[11:10] <yofel> you'll also want to copy the digikam orig file
[11:11] <kranzer> Riddell: done
[11:12] <Riddell> uh huh, now extract the tar and put the debian/ into it and apply the patches
[11:15] <kranzer> Riddell: tar -zxvf>
[11:15] <kranzer> ?
[11:15] <Riddell> tar xf should be fine
[11:18] <kranzer> Riddell: how to send debian there?
[11:19] <Riddell> https://www.google.es/search?q=move+files+in+linux
[11:19] <Riddell> I'm sure google knows
[11:22] <kranzer> Riddell: done
[11:24] <yofel> kranzer: now apply the patches the way you did before
[11:25] <yofel> QUILT_PATCHES
[11:25] <kranzer> yofel: ?
[11:26] <yofel> see the channel log, what did you do with QUILT_PATCHES earlier?
[11:26] <yofel> right
[11:26] <kranzer> yofel: do you have the access to ssh?
[11:26] <yofel> I'm watching
[11:27] <Riddell> from the top digikam directory
[11:27] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: ping Hi Scarlet r u around
[11:27] <kranzer> yofel: Riddell: now?
[11:27] <yofel> kranzer: that applied one patch, now go on
[11:27] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: it'll be too early for her, she might be up in a couple of hours
[11:28] <yofel> kranzer: until you get to the patch that was failing
[11:28] <kranzer> yofel: again quilt push?
[11:28] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: OK, that's cool, I will give her a shout later, thanks
[11:28] <yofel> kranzer: yes
[11:28] <kranzer> yofel: fails
[11:28] <yofel> right, now you'll need to update it
[11:29] <kranzer> yofel: how?
[11:30] <yofel> kranzer: start by looking at the file that it failed on
[11:30] <kranzer> yofel: CMakeLists.txt?
[11:31] <yofel> yes, also note that it told you the line in which it failed
[11:31] <kranzer> yofel: okay)
[11:32] <kranzer> yofel: how can I see lines?
[11:33] <yofel> in nano? no idea, google might help
[11:33] <kranzer> yofel: maybe I'll do it in local
[11:33] <yofel> you might also want to acutally read the patch itself
[11:33] <kranzer> then I will push
[11:35] <yofel> kranzer: also important: you're looking at the wrong CMakeLists.txt file
[11:35] <kranzer> yofel: core/CMakeLists.txt
[11:36] <yofel> right, you're looking at CMakeLists.txt, not core/CMakeLists.txt
[11:36] <kranzer> yofel: in local I look at core/CMakeLists.txt
[11:36] <yofel> ok
[11:37] <kranzer> yofel: this is the line #334                           "A library for extracting file metadata" "https://projects.kde.org/kfilemetadata" TRUE)
[11:39] <Riddell> it will have moved
[11:39] <Riddell> that's why the patch doesn't apply
[11:39] <Riddell> look in core/CMakeLists.txt.rej#
[11:39] <Riddell> and work out what needs to be done to core/CMakeLists.txt
[11:39] <Riddell> to make equivalent changes
[11:40] <kranzer> Riddell: what do I have to do with this?
[11:41] <Riddell> read it
[11:41] <Riddell> see what it's doing
[11:41] <Riddell> make the equivalent change in core/CMakeLists.txt
[11:42] <Riddell> it's replacing that call to look for mysql with one to just set it
[11:42] <kranzer> Riddell: ok, thanks, g2g
[11:42] <Riddell> sigh
[11:43] <Riddell> when I said no hand holding...
[11:43] <Riddell> but well he's only young bless
[11:54]  * Riddell eats kbroulik-lunch for lunch
[12:06] <sgclark> morning
[12:07] <Riddell> sgclark: buenos dias
[12:08] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit was after you
[12:08] <sgclark> ahh ok
[12:16] <Sick_Rimmit> morning sgclark
[12:16]  * Sick_Rimmit grins
[12:16] <Riddell> for some definition of morning
[12:17] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: I hope you are having a "Good Morning" Scarlet, how are things with you ?
[12:17] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: better ?
[12:17]  * Sick_Rimmit grins more
[12:17] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: just woke up :) I will let you know after my first coffee lol
[12:17]  * Sick_Rimmit grins even more
[12:20] <sitter> kubotu: order a fountain of coffee for sgclark
[12:20]  * kubotu slides a fountain of coffee down the bar to sgclark
[12:20] <sgclark> :)
[12:33] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:34] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[12:34] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[12:35] <BluesKaj> is the latest upgrade fixed yet?
[12:35] <BluesKaj> I'm on my 14.10 plasma 4 desktop atm
[12:40] <BluesKaj> last night's 15.04 upgrade on the laptop was about to remove a whole lot of necessary apps and not reinstall/upgrade them so I aborted the upgrade.
[12:44] <Riddell> try it and see :)
[12:46] <BluesKaj> heh:)
[13:00] <soee> more than 170 votes https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/1aa5GRRL5LC :)
[13:03] <BluesKaj_> just don't do a dist-upgrade then, check it out
[13:14] <BluesKaj> hmm, wifi is acting up after wakling from suspend
[13:16] <BluesKaj_> checking to see how long this connection holds, after reboot
[13:34] <soee> BluesKaj: how did the update go ?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> soee, the same, dist upgrade wants to remove a whole lot of packages without reinstalling/upgrading them
[14:02] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: How's the coffee, could I grab you for a couple of minutes, I have an idea I would like to run by you
[14:03] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: sure what's up?
[14:15] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: Hi
[14:15] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: Sorry, someone came to my desk for assistanfce
[14:16] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: We are going to setup Jenkins CI, here at work
[14:16] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: Our Embedded Linux Developer - Pawel is tasked with this job
[14:16] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: I think that there is a great opportunity for some 2 way knowledge sharing between you and him
[14:17] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: His coding knowledgge, and your experience with Jenkins and setting up CI for KDE
[14:17] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: With your permission I would like to introduce you and Pawel, via this IRC Channel, and perhaps you would be able to help each other out
[14:18] <sgclark> I have a pile of people wanting to do the same :( my problem is that my dealine is coming soon and I am deperately trying to learn groovy so that I can complete the DSL part
[14:18] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: What do you think of this idea ?
[14:22] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: OK, well that put the Kibosh on that idea. OK Not to worry, I was just trying to connect some network channles. :-)
[14:22] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: if he is a coder I suspect he will have no issues setting up jenkins. That is my weakness. But of course I am here and available should he need. I just don't think I am much help.
[14:23] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: Oh Boy, we need to discuss your self confidence, as I fell that you might be missing something
[14:23] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: You're AWESOME!!!!!
[14:24] <Riddell> ++
[14:25] <sgclark> yes this project has drained me, alas I am learning alot so that is good
[14:32] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: slowly slowly catch yee monkey, and don't over do it
[14:39] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: I will get Pawel to come join us here, probably be tomorrow sometime, and I can introduce him to some of the cool people at Kubuntu :-)
[14:40] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: ok sounds good
[14:40] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: Cool...
[14:42] <Sick_Rimmit> So I'm busy getting organised for FOSDEM right now. I packaged up Kdenlive mostly unsupervised, and I have a few bugs I am working on. I hoping to setup a meeting for my membership application later next week.
[14:43] <Sick_Rimmit> Just a quick update really. I know you've been helping me sgclark and I feel I want you to know that time spent has not been wasted..
[14:45] <sgclark> :)
[14:59] <shadeslayer> sgclark: whats your task with Jenkins again?
[15:00]  * shadeslayer has been extensively using jenkins for the last 3 months
[15:00] <sgclark> shadeslayer: jenkins with support for linux + osx + windows all automated w/ DSL
[15:01] <sgclark> most of my time was wasted getting our scripts working with windows...
[15:01] <shadeslayer> DSL?
[15:02] <sgclark> yeah the plugin that uses groovy scripting to automate job creation
[15:02] <shadeslayer> huh
[15:02] <sgclark> which as it turns out is where I should have spent the bulk of the time as nothing works for me haha
[15:02] <shadeslayer> We just use ruby to do that :D
[15:02] <sgclark> hmm
[15:03] <shadeslayer> see https://github.com/apachelogger/pangea-tooling/blob/master/update-projects.rb for example
[15:03] <kranzer> Riddell: ping
[15:06] <Riddell> hi kranzer
[15:06] <kranzer> Riddell: I'm here again)
[15:07] <sgclark> shadeslayer: hmm that looks much friendlier than groovy.
[15:07]  * sgclark ponders if I can talk them into it
[15:09] <arch_mac>  https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs  added  weekly ci ppa per the page steps but updating  gives 404 failed to fetch
[15:09] <arch_mac> 10:05 arch_mac: old info?
[15:09] <arch_mac> 10:05 arch_mac: im on 15.04
[15:13] <kranzer> Riddell: could you give me ssh chanel one more time?
[15:16] <Riddell> the server is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:18] <kranzer> Riddell: thanks
[15:20] <Riddell> kranzer: quilt refresh
[15:20] <Riddell> kranzer: it's all good, it worked the first time
[15:20] <Riddell> "Refreshed patch debian/patches/kubuntu_mysqld_executable_name.diff"
[15:21] <kranzer> Riddell: what now?
[15:21] <Riddell> it just was confused because it was set to spanish after my computer but didn't have spanish installed
[15:21] <Riddell> kranzer: see if you can push the next patch
[15:22] <kranzer> Riddell: as you see, no(
[15:22] <Riddell> kranzer: that patch is marked upstream which means it's a fix that comes from digikam
[15:22] <Riddell> kranzer: so digikam will have added it since the last release we packaged
[15:22] <Riddell> kranzer: so you can remove the .diff file and edit debian/patches/series to remove it
[15:23] <kranzer> Riddell: see, if I doing all right
[15:24] <Riddell> kranzer: looks good
[15:24] <kranzer> Riddell: now debuild?
[15:24] <Riddell> kranzer: yep
[15:27] <arch-kubu> https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-ci     kubuntu-ci does not have any download files registered with Launchpad.
[15:28] <Riddell> sitter: ↑
[15:29] <arch_mac> hope you can see the confusion these pages cause
[15:30] <arch_mac> So wheres the steps to bring 15.04  up to wekkly plasma5 pkgs?
[15:30] <arch_mac> weekly
[15:31] <Riddell> arch_mac: sitter is your man there
[15:32] <sitter> no such thing
[15:33] <arch_mac> I have 14.04 running daily builds nicely    I'd like the same but weekly on 15.04
[15:33] <kranzer> Riddell: could you assign my task?
[15:37] <sgclark> yeah I was looking for weekly on vivid too, does not seem to exist :(
[15:41] <arch-kubu> plasma next ppa ok for 15.04?
[15:48] <arch-kubu> nope its in muon but also cant find pkgs
[15:55] <shadeslayer> arch-kubu: you probably want http://pad.lv/~kubuntu-ci
[15:55] <shadeslayer> and yes, no weekly for Vivid
[15:55] <shadeslayer> kind of pointless
[15:55] <shadeslayer> you're running a dev release
[16:02] <kranzer> Riddell: what was that?
[16:04] <Riddell> kranzer: looks like the .install file is asking for something to be installed which no longer exists
[16:04] <Riddell> remove it from the .install file
[16:05] <Riddell> run dh_install --list-missing  to try the install again
[16:05] <Riddell> when that's happy run   debuild -nc  to restart the build (with no clean so it does not compile it all again)
[16:05] <mamarley> Riddell: Your two most recent messages would have saved countless hours of my life, had I only known those things before...
[16:06] <Riddell> mamarley: what what?
[16:06] <Riddell> ah  debuild -nc
[16:07] <Riddell> surpringly badly documented that
[16:07] <Riddell> kranzer: from top sources directory
[16:07] <mamarley> Yeah, I didn't know about those, so when I was trying to compile things, I would recompile them completely after fixing the missing file or whatever.
[16:08] <kranzer> Riddell: see that
[16:09] <Riddell> kranzer: yes, see my comments above
[16:09] <Riddell> 16:04 < Riddell> kranzer: looks like the .install file is asking for something to be installed which no longer exists
[16:09] <Riddell> 16:04 < Riddell> remove it from the .install file
[16:14] <arch-kubu> shadeslayer,   tried that link with key  no go
[16:14] <shadeslayer> key?
[16:14] <shadeslayer> what key
[16:15] <shadeslayer> that page opens fine for me
[16:15] <arch-kubu> one on the page
[16:15] <shadeslayer> what are you doing exactly
[16:15] <arch-kubu> have you added that ppa yourself?
[16:15] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:15] <shadeslayer> I'm running that ppa on utopic
[16:15] <kranzer> Riddell: in what .install file is that instruction?
[16:15] <shadeslayer> kranzer: grep for it?
[16:16] <arch-kubu> then your answer should be no im refering to vivid
[16:16] <Riddell> kranzer: dunno
[16:16] <arch-kubu> I have it on utopic   too
[16:16] <shadeslayer> vivid only has the unstable target
[16:17] <arch-kubu> right still no go
[16:17] <arch-kubu> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ci/unstable/ubuntu vivid main
[16:18] <arch-kubu> ill redo it
[16:18] <shadeslayer> works for me
[16:18] <shadeslayer> on vivid
[16:19] <shadeslayer> arch-kubu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9693536/
[16:21] <arch-kubu> got it now  tks
[16:21] <arch-kubu> musta missed the ppa ad comd
[16:21] <arch-kubu> add cmd
[16:22] <kranzer> Riddell: what to do??
[16:23] <Riddell> kranzer: find out what .install file it's in and remove it
[16:23] <kranzer> Riddell: just open and check?
[16:24] <kranzer> Riddell: one more
[16:24] <Riddell> yes
[16:24] <kranzer> Riddell: where to find them?
[16:24] <Riddell> in debian/
[16:25] <shadeslayer> sitter: http://www.wtxl.com/news/florida_news/florida-couple-told-to-remove-tardis-from-driveway/article_dc0ec42a-95c3-11e4-922b-0bfcb7ac4f6b.html?mode=story
[16:28] <sitter> shadeslayer: quickly comment #RonPaul2012
[16:28] <shadeslayer> lol
[16:30] <Riddell> kranzer: grep is your friend
[16:30] <kranzer> Riddell: like I do?
[16:33] <kranzer> Riddell: i need to find such command  debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde4/libexec debian/digikam//usr/lib/kde4/ ?
[16:36] <Riddell> grep libexec debian/*install   (as I did earlier on the server)
[16:38] <kranzer> Riddell: hmm, what's now?
[16:41] <arch_mac> reboot after upgrade gives black screen and box that says chk your  install ksmserver not found
[16:44] <arch_mac> startx  cannot establish any listening sockets in xorg log
[16:49] <arch_mac> maybe a pkg is missing?  or a step besides update-upgrade-dist-upgrade?
[16:58] <arch_mac> Is this step from the ci wiki needed  ?  sudo apt install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop   Im having to bounce around from place to place to get this simple upgrade done
[16:58] <arch_mac> apt cant find that either
[17:02] <kranzer> Riddell: hurray
[17:06] <kranzer> Riddell: what's that?
[17:06] <Riddell> kranzer: looks like it built
[17:06] <Riddell> test if it installs and runs
[17:06] <kranzer> Riddell: gpg error?
[17:07] <kranzer> Riddell: how to test it?
[17:07] <Riddell> that's fine, it wants to give it a digital siganture incase you want to upload it to ubuntu or a ppa but it doesn't have your digital keys on the server (and nor should you as it's a shared server)
[17:07] <Riddell> dpkg --install *deb
[17:07] <Riddell> you can copy the .debs onto your system although I think they're i386
[17:08] <kranzer> Riddell: nope
[17:08] <kranzer> Riddell: amd64
[17:08] <kranzer> Riddell: ahhh
[17:08] <kranzer> Riddell: sorry
[17:09] <kranzer> Riddell: done
[17:11] <Riddell> apt -f install  will fix the install issues
[17:13] <kranzer> Riddell: give me the bug link again
[17:13] <kranzer> Riddell: please
[17:20] <kranzer> Riddell: I attached
[17:22] <Riddell> thanks kranzer, will review tomorrow
[17:22] <kranzer> Riddell: why so?
[17:23] <Riddell> because I'm about to leave
[17:23] <kranzer> okay(
[17:26] <Riddell> _Groo_: sddm-kcm up for your packaging love http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma-5.1.95/
[17:30] <_Groo_> Riddell: ill create it and upload it to my ppa so you can copy it to ninja
[17:30]  * Sick_Rimmit Out
[17:30] <_Groo_> Riddell: i dont think i have write access to ninjas ppa
[17:30] <Riddell> _Groo_: I can sort that out later
[17:30] <Riddell> _Groo_: and if you fancy it there's other new bits needing packaged
[17:31] <_Groo_> Riddell: which is?
[17:31] <Riddell> kcm-touchpad ksshaskpass user-manager kde-gtk-config muon polkit-kde-agent-1
[17:31] <Riddell> http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/plasma-devel/2015-January/038145.html
[17:31] <Riddell> some have existing packaging from previous versions
[17:32]  * Riddell out
[17:41] <_Groo_> guys, how to i make the ppa compile for two versions? in this case utopic and vivid at the same time?
[17:42] <_Groo_> is it possible? or i need to dput one at a time?
[17:55] <_Groo_> Riddell: utopic and vivid packages for sddm-kcm 5.1.95 are available in https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/peppa/+packages
[17:55] <_Groo_> Riddell: enjoy
[19:11] <_Groo_> Riddell: utopic and vivid packages for kde-touchpad 5.1.95 are available in https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/peppa/+packages
[19:11] <_Groo_> Riddell: enjoy
[21:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you're going to have fun in your advanced class
[21:26] <Riddell> hmm good fun?
[21:26] <Riddell> sounds scary
[21:34] <shadeslayer> yeah, 'good'
[21:34] <shadeslayer> Mine was difficult enough
[21:34] <shadeslayer> my teacher doesn't speak any english
[21:34] <shadeslayer> so that's going to be fun
[21:34] <shadeslayer> and there's a no speaking in english rule in the class
[21:41] <soee> an chance to get the updates work again any soon (packages) ?
[21:48] <Riddell> yes it's tefl style
[21:54] <yofel> soee: what's broken again?
[21:54] <soee> yofel: everything :D
[21:54] <yofel> not here...
[21:54] <yofel> (vivid:amd64)
[21:55] <soee> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9695169/
[21:55] <soee> im also on Vivid 64
[21:56] <yofel> soee: please again with -o pkgproblemresolver=true
[21:56] <yofel> erm, -o debug::pkgproblemresolver=true
[21:57] <soee> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9695183/
[21:58] <yofel> o.O
[22:00] <soee> blueskaj also reported such problems
[22:02] <Sick_Rimmit> Hello folks
[22:03] <soee> hiho Sick_Rimmit
[22:03] <Sick_Rimmit> Hi soee
[22:03] <Sick_Rimmit> I am just finalising my Kubuntu Membership application..
[22:04] <Sick_Rimmit> I need to arrange a meeting, which I believe takes place here on IRC, does that sound correct ?
[22:04] <yofel> hm, strange. Here libical1 got removed fine...
[22:05] <soee> :/
[22:07] <yofel> looks like an incomplete transition got promoted to release o.O
[22:14] <soee> im not familiar with this stuff :/ can it be fixed somehow ?
[22:15] <kranzer> Riddell: are you here?
[22:15] <yofel> you could try to manually install libical1a and remove what's in the way - or wait until everything that needs libical1 got rebuilt
[22:15] <yofel> I had nothing of that left so I didn't run into that problem
[22:25] <soee> yofel: when all this might be rebuilt ?
[22:26] <yofel> supposedly it's done http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/libical.html
[22:27] <yofel> so things are either stuck in proposed or you have something installed that really doesn't want to get removed
[22:30] <soee> wonder what it might be


[09:48] <swp20> hello team, we switch using launchpad to trace feature and
[09:48] <swp20>  bugs, we have merged the config files, but it doesnot take effect, anyone give some guides?


[09:50] <newby> hello. I am trying to install lubuntu in vmware.  it is stuck in a type of shell screen with the blinking cursor next to (initramfs).  I typed help and gave me a list of built in commands.
[11:43] <Guest33447> anyone using fcitx got bad experiences of LDM getting stuck with it ?
[18:36] <exw7> Hello everybody just switched from Win7 to Lubuntu so nice to meet you all. :D And have 2 sound cards searching the web told me alsamixer is the software taking care of it, right ?
[18:36] <exw7> Now after select the sound card that needs to be used trough the terminal how do I save it?
[22:34] <KOLANICH> Hi all. sddm gives me black screen after some modifications in hardware. Xorg works, so does firefox. Lxqt doesn't, but openbox works. Who can help me fix this?
[22:47] <KOLANICH> agaida: 1 with lightdm instead of sddm I have managed to start lxqt 2 when I tried lxqt-session without any login manager it didn't work


[03:48] <dank> Looks like a deadlock in the forest-of-fifos protocol.
[04:52] <cjwatson> dank: ok, possible patch in the bug
[08:27] <psivaa> cjwatson: xnox: our preseeded default installation of amd64 desktop image reports http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5594979/
[08:28] <psivaa> i did not see any issues with manual installation though
[08:41] <cjwatson> looks like a python2.7 problem to me
[08:42] <cjwatson> but I wonder whether it's consistently reproducible ...
[08:43] <cjwatson> seems to be working fine on my raring laptop
[08:44] <cjwatson> can you get at the target system it's created?
[08:50] <stgraber> the only case where I've seen that was on my pandaboard (cosmic rays changing a couple of bits in a pyc apparently) but that was apport not the encodings module
[08:50] <cjwatson> we see that kind of thing occasionally on arms in the dc; they're crap
[08:51] <cjwatson> you notice it sometimes in build logs e.g.
[09:08] <cjwatson> well, my possible patch at least doesn't regress things in a test VM, although I can't reproduce the original issue
[09:09] <cjwatson> so I guess we wait for Larry to show up and see if he can give it a spin
[10:11] <stgraber> cjwatson: hey, I was looking into an LXC bug that's been annoying us for a while. Basically everytime we create a new container rootfs using debootstrap, the keyboard mode is changed from RAW to Unicode which makes using X a bit of a pain (alt+f4 will both close the window and change the VT).
[10:11] <stgraber> I've always assumed we were doing something wrong but now looking at bug 759674 it looks like it might be console-setup's postinst not doing the right thing
[10:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 759674 in console-setup (Ubuntu) "Upgrading console-setup in a chroot breaks X keymap" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/759674
[10:11] <stgraber> specifically the bit about running "setupcon --force -k" when under X
[10:12] <stgraber> do you have any opinion on the matter? I'd personally be tempted to just drop that call completely (and just keep the --save-only call that requires a reboot) but that's for my specific use case and I don't pretend to see the big picture there
[10:13] <stgraber> (no rush, not planning on getting this for 13.04, or at least not in the release pocket ;))
[10:16] <cjwatson> stgraber: the underlying tool in kbd that that calls is meant to detect this situation and not actually do the ioctl, IIRC
[10:17] <cjwatson> if that isn't working, that's a problem for other reasons because I think that's called from a udev rule
[10:17] <cjwatson> so I think we should fix it rather than remove it
[10:22] <stgraber> cjwatson: ok. I confirmed that calling "/var/lib/dpkg/info/console-setup.postinst configure" from within a chroot definitely changes the kbd mode (fixable with kbd_mode -s afterwards). I'll dig a bit deeper later
[11:15] <stgraber> cjwatson: hmm, so the problem appears to be that "kbd_mode -u < /dev/tty1" in a chroot actually changes the current tty instead of tty1 (and so changes tty7). The same outside the chroot works as expected.
[11:16] <stgraber> I'll have to play with strace a bit to see exactly what's going on as the device nodes for /dev/ttyX look correct (right minor/major)
[12:33] <xnox> ev: are you about? and/or bluefin? got a question about wubi boot helper that is not popping up / offering to help rebooting.
[21:33] <mwharris> im looking for advice on how to make d-i just emit a syslog message
[21:33] <mwharris> im making a PXE target that's basically a test that PXE is set up correctly for a machine
[21:33] <mwharris> and id like to use standard d-i infra, mainly because i need remote syslog
[21:51] <cjwatson> you should just be able to say   logger -t some-tag arbitrary message
[21:53] <antarus> mwharris: I'm confused why you don't just run a custom early_command ?
[21:53] <antarus> mwharris: is your question how to exit?
[21:53] <mwharris> yeah, i suppose so.
[21:53] <mwharris> i don't want to do an install, just emit a syslog message.
[21:54] <mwharris> is early command the way to do that?
[21:54] <antarus> and then...reboot?
[21:54] <antarus> I'm confused what you want to happen afterward
[21:54] <mwharris> yeah
[21:54] <mwharris> reboot afterwards is fine.
[21:54] <antarus> can't you just call logger and then call reboot? :)
[21:54] <mwharris> sure, but how do i do that?
[21:54] <mwharris> make an early_command?
[21:54] <antarus> you would need a custom preseed, yeah
[21:54] <antarus> with a custom early_command
[21:55] <mwharris> ok, cool. i already have a custom preseed, so that's fine.
[21:55] <antarus> not sure if you can preseed the early_command url on pxe?
[21:55] <cjwatson> should be fine
[21:55]  * antarus nods
[21:55] <antarus> mwharris: sorry, I didn't quite grok what you wanted to do earlier ;p
[21:55] <mwharris> heh no worries.
[21:55] <mwharris> thanks for the help
[21:55] <cjwatson> d-i preseed/early_command string logger -t d-i HELLO; reboot
[21:55] <cjwatson> or some such
[21:56] <cjwatson> kind of a heavyweight test, but ...
[21:57] <antarus> we are batshit crazy here
[21:57] <antarus> don't worry about it ;)
[21:57] <mwharris> hehe
[21:57] <antarus> (this is one of our lightest tests, don't poke fun!)
[21:57] <mwharris> basically i want to give people an easy to test PXE setup on a machine
[22:42] <mwharris> hmm, early_command is too early, there's no networking.
[22:42] <mwharris> is there a way i can have early_command run with networking up?


[00:04] <pragmaticenigma> Muligan: so low/no disk space is the issue it sounds like?
[00:05] <Muligan> i've tried to upload even a 1kb file
[00:05] <Muligan> still same effect
[00:06] <Muligan> Filesystem                     1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[00:06] <Muligan> udev                              946820         0    946820   0% /dev
[00:06] <Muligan> tmpfs                             198636      1400    197236   1% /run
[00:09] <Muligan> Filesystem                      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[00:09] <Muligan> udev                            925M     0  925M   0% /dev
[00:09] <Muligan> tmpfs                           194M  1.4M  193M   1% /run
[00:09] <Muligan> I mean, there's what, nearly 8GB of space left on this server
[00:09] <Muligan> /dev/mapper/nextcloud--vg-root  224G  216G     0 100% /
[00:09] <pragmaticenigma> Muligan: could be out of inodes
[00:10] <Muligan> you've got a point
[00:10] <Muligan> time to expand this VM once again
[00:10] <rbox> its got 5% reserved for root probably
[00:10] <rbox> what if you run that command as root
[00:11] <Muligan> those commands are as root
[00:11] <Muligan> :D
[00:11] <Muligan> df -i shows 7% free for that volume
[00:11] <Muligan> err
[00:11] <Muligan> 7% in use...
[00:13] <EriC^^> vg-root says 0 available and 100% in use
[00:14] <Muligan> yep
[00:14] <Muligan> ok, I'm gong to hang it up for the night, it's after 5, I'll jump in and expand the disk tomorrow
[00:14] <Muligan> thanks for your input fellas!
[00:17] <EriC^^> ncdu could be handy, maybe its a log out of control or something else
[00:18] <EriC^^> !info ncdu
[00:18] <Muligan> Need to get 42.8 kB of archives.
[00:18] <Muligan> After this operation, 105 kB of additional disk space will be used.
[00:18] <Muligan> E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/.
[00:18] <Muligan> :D
[00:18] <Muligan> def a disk issue
[00:20] <pragmaticenigma> yep
[00:20] <EriC^^> Muligan: sudo apt-get clean
[00:20] <EriC^^> and sudo apt-get autoremove
[00:37] <Bashing-om> Muligan: EriC^^: Vacum the old boot logs too :D
[01:46] <FKAShinobi> I saw on boot that the system couldn't read some sectors. It seems to have booted fine. How do I see those messages now that the system is booted?
[01:47] <sarnold> maybe dmesg; maybe journalctl; maybe in /var/log/boot.log*
[01:48] <pragmaticenigma> FKAShinobi: possibly in /run/initramfs/fsck.log
[01:49] <sarnold> oo, neat
[04:15] <constxqt> bros
[04:15] <constxqt> it's over
[04:16] <constxqt> i don't understand how i'm supposed to upgrade from 22.10
[04:16] <constxqt> tried following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[04:16] <constxqt> downloaded the specific upgrade tool for mantic
[04:16] <constxqt> >upgrade from kinetic to mantic isn't supported using this tool
[04:17] <constxqt> i can't `apt update`, can't `apt upgrade`, can't `do-release-upgrade`, can't use the mantic-specific upgrade tool
[04:17] <constxqt> this is deranged
[04:17] <bparker> >using a non-LTS version
[04:18] <constxqt> i didn't mean to i just used the default digitalocean droplet distro at the time i think
[04:18] <constxqt> i didn't ask for this suffering
[04:19] <mybalzitch> what does do-release-upgrade complain about specifically
[04:19] <mybalzitch> pastebin please
[04:20] <mybalzitch> have you tried 22.10 -> 23.04 -> 23.10 ?
[04:21] <constxqt> trying that now, i think it's working
[04:21] <constxqt> what version should i be on right now
[04:21] <constxqt> to minimize this kind of nightmare in the future
[04:22] <constxqt> how can a version newer than the *newest* LTS release be end of life
[04:23] <constxqt> seems like i should be downgrading to 22.04, not upgrading at all
[08:57] <kmikita> I have partitions in my system mounted via /etc/fstab to points /data0 /data1 /data2, etc. The snap applications does not allow me to read and write from them (symlinks through the home dir do not help). I guess it might be related to the apparmor. Please tell me how to fix it.
[09:41] <AmeliaMonaldo> hey there
[09:42] <AmeliaMonaldo> hey there
[09:43] <AmeliaMonaldo> how are you?
[09:43] <AmeliaMonaldo> cam
[09:44] <AmeliaMonaldo> Voglia di figa giovane?
[09:47] <AmeliaMonaldo> Gratis sexcall
[09:50] <Chosi> Funny how italians on irc never changed
[09:50] <Chosi> lol
[09:50] <AmeliaMonaldo> Ciao
[09:51] <AmeliaMonaldo> https://bdcash1.scaletrk.com/click?o=4422&a=6309
[10:48] <ogra_> kmikita, mount them in /mnt or /media then at least every snap that has the removable-media interface enabled can access them ... if you need more, stop using symlinks and switch to bind mounts, apparmor can not support symlinks, but bind mounts do work
[10:49] <kmikita> ogra_, thanks for the answer
[10:50] <kmikita> ogra_, can I edit apparmour profile to allow access to manual mount point?
[10:57] <ogra_> kmikita, no, apparmor profiles for snaps are generated on the fly ... they would just eb overwritten
[10:57] <ogra_> s/eb/be/
[10:59] <kmikita> ogra_, Thanks again! This is an exhaustive answer. I will use the bind mounts.
[10:59] <ogra_> 👍
[11:21] <Beladona> I use ubuntu, did `apt purge openjdk-jdk` but `java --version` still prints the version. `which java` gives /usr/bin/java. How can I remove?
[11:25] <Beladona> even tried `defaultjdk-jdk`
[11:25] <oerheks> openjdk will be running until you reboot, but ...openjdk is a core tool
[11:25] <oerheks> why remove that:?
[11:30] <Beladona> oerheks: ok, how to kill it?
[11:31] <Beladona> also I get this on apt. Which file should I remove https://pastebin.mozilla.org/to69bcij#L4
[11:32] <oerheks> how to kill it; reboot and it should be gone.
[11:33] <Beladona> cannot reboot server
[11:34] <oerheks> from that paste, remove old kernels?
[11:34] <oerheks> sudo apt --purge autoremove
[11:34] <oerheks> and reboot
[11:37] <Beladona> oerheks: sudo rm -rf /boot/System.map-5*  ?
[11:38] <oerheks> no, if you are on ubuntu; sudo apt --purge autoremove
[11:39] <Beladona> what if i just remove the old kernel files?
[11:40] <oerheks> do as you like, i am not going to repeat.
[11:41] <oerheks> that command does what you ask for, remove old kernels and parts
[11:42] <Beladona> repeating or responding is a choice of anyone who wants to participate in a chat. You don't have an obligation to. That command didn't do the expected in past or maybe I am mistaken. Will run it.
[11:43] <Beladona> I did both rm and purge autoremove. looks like it works. thanks
[11:44] <ogra_> note that a plain rm could always confuse the packaging system ... depending how bad the deb is packed, to a point where you break the system ... so better use apt/deb to remove any files owned by a package
[13:15] <Beladona> ogra_: ok. actually I already used rm. anyt remedy now?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:43] <ogra_> Beladona, that was rather a general statement (dont delete files that are meant to be handled via packages), i'd expect the kernel packaging to be good enough to deal with missing files though
[14:01] <spinningCat> how can i solve this problem https://dpaste.com/2EHW3JNFK
[14:02] <leftyfb> spinningCat: remove the 3rd party repository and the packages associated with it
[14:15] <spinningCat> Warning: Invalid locale (please review locale settings, this might lead to problems later):
[14:15] <spinningCat>   locale::facet::_S_create_c_locale name not valid
[14:16] <spinningCat> i got this because of some unofficial packages?
[14:19] <oerheks> spinningCat, yes, most likely the nodejs repo
[14:20] <oerheks> one could try to regenerate locales,  sudo locale-gen "tr_TR.UTF-8" && sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[14:21] <spinningCat> okay
[14:21] <spinningCat> thanks
[14:31] <spinningCat> https://dpaste.com/D3SP97WU8 i got this now i need to install nodejs
[14:32] <leftyfb> spinningCat: sudo apt remove --purge nodejs*
[14:32] <leftyfb> then remove the repository
[14:32] <leftyfb> then install nodejs from the official ubuntu repo
[14:33] <spinningCat> official ubuntu repo has 12 i need 16
[14:34] <leftyfb> spinningCat: why do you need 16?
[14:34] <spinningCat> well i am using prisma
[14:34] <spinningCat> and prisma orm request version 16 or above
[14:35] <leftyfb> spinningCat: You can install Ubuntu 12.10 which has nodejs 18.13
[14:35] <leftyfb> spinningCat: other than that, you'll have to reach out to the 3rd party repository for support with their repo
[14:36] <spinningCat> libnode72:amd64 can i remove this?
[14:36] <leftyfb> I would
[14:37] <spinningCat> this cause the problem
[14:38] <leftyfb> the 3rd party repo/packages cause the problem, yes
[14:38] <spinningCat> i used that repos i didnt encounter problem before
[14:38] <leftyfb> and now you do
[14:39] <spinningCat> seems weird :D
[14:40] <spinningCat> nice
[14:40] <spinningCat> removing libnode72 did smmoth things out
[14:41] <spinningCat> thanks for sharing your time i appreciated
[16:16] <jiatan> Hello! I could not find this information on the Ubuntu docs after a bit of searching. Does Ubuntu LTS use packages from Debian Unstable or Debian Testing?
[16:18] <oerheks> jiatan, Unstable
[16:20] <jiatan> oerheks: Thanks!
[16:20] <Paris> oerheks they used the debian packages to build the ubuntu ones? or just the same version?
[17:06] <Guest1630> Hello.
[17:08] <toddc> !ask | Guest1630
[17:24] <a_> Standardlib - a complete library for C, making C super easy, fun and secure: https://github.com/gregoryc/standardlib
[17:44] <magic_ninja> is there any way to check and see if I have a usb dongle intermittently disconnecting and reconnecting or if i have power management turning it off?
[17:44] <magic_ninja> I have a wireless mouse that randomly stops then starts right back up, almost as if I disconnected the dongle.
[17:45] <leftyfb> magic_ninja: sudo dmesg -Tw
[17:53] <magic_ninja> that's no good, bunch of btrfs errors
[18:01] <constxqt> bros i tried upgrading to 23.10 while ssh'd into my VPS
[18:02] <constxqt> nvm i thought it went horribly wrong but it's just not finished yet
[19:31] <ubuntu> Hello
[20:05] <Beladona> ogra_:  yes but now tha I hav edeleted the files, what should be done?
[20:52] <sarnold> Beladona: truncate the huge files, just a quick "> /boot/System.map-whatever" at bash would do the trick
[20:52] <sarnold> Beladona: then you'll have enough free space on the filesystem to purge the package properly
[22:09] <oerheks> sarnold, and update grub i guess
[22:16] <sreve> Hi there. My desktop environment (xfce) is totally broken. I don't know what happened:( ... Can someone tell me how to reset it to a fresh install?
[22:17] <leftyfb> sreve: start by creating a new user and seeing if logging in as that new user resolves your issues
[22:23] <sreve> leftyfb, ok a new user works well.
[22:23] <sreve> last thing I have done is to install open-shot and shotcut.
[22:24] <leftyfb> sreve: ok, then I would suggest moving ~/.config/<some fxce specific directory> maybe to your ~/ for the main user and try logging back in
[22:24] <sreve> and for some reason chrome is the new browser ... not firefox.
[22:25] <leftyfb> sreve: none of that happens without your doing
[22:25] <sreve> yes
[22:26] <sreve> I add a repo for openshot
[22:27] <sreve> I remember to run obs studio
[22:27] <sreve> thats all video stuff.
[22:33] <sreve> When I switch off one screen it is ok.
[22:34] <rdrg109_> [Question] Does anyone know why "node node.js" is throwing the following error? "Cannot find module 'node:http'" As far as I know"node:http" belongs to the standard library of Node.js, so I believe having "nodejs" installed in Ubuntu is sufficient for "node:http" to be found.
[22:35] <sreve> leftleg_, the problem was the multi screen setup.
[22:35] <sreve> ... only the panel is still gone.
[22:36] <rdrg109_> ^ rdrg109_: I'm trying to run the Example Node.js application in the official documentation: https://nodejs.org/en/learn/getting-started/introduction-to-nodejs
[22:38] <adriel> opa
[22:38] <adriel> é normal o pc travar quando eu abrir o firefox?
[22:38] <adriel> so volta reiniciando.
[22:41] <oerheks> !br
[23:26] <navarro> ouio
[23:26] <navarro> non
[23:29] <Muligan> EriC^^_, issue yesterday was def due to loaded up disk.  Expanded the partition and file sytem, good to go
[23:29] <Muligan> thanks for your input yesterday...
[23:30] <EriC^^_> Muligan: no problem, glad it's fixed
[23:32] <navarro> ,
[23:40] <navarro> freeboox v6
[23:40] <leftyfb> navarro: what is your ubuntu support question?
[23:41] <navarro> swap_horiz Migrer vers le Forfait Freebox Ultra
[23:43] <leftyfb> !fr | navarro
[23:45] <leftyfb> navarro: what makes you believe that an Ubuntu support IRC channel can help you with your French ISP service plan?