[12:01] <simber> come on, anybody ?
[12:03] <Quest-Master> Does absolutely ANYONE have any idea why a piece of compiled software is returning floating point exceptions?
[12:03] <Quest-Master> While, a fellow Gentooer has the same libs. and stuff as me and it runs perfectly fine for him
[12:03] <Dj_AlTeK> i dont like floating point exceptions
[12:03] <Quest-Master> ><
[12:04] <mozzi> simber: sorry no
[12:04] <flankk> Quest-Master, gentoo source files have bugfixes.
[12:05] <Quest-Master> flankk: It's not Gentoo software by any means, it's just a program which has Windows and Linux downloads and it works for him but not me
[12:05] <mozzi> simber: what is your prob?
[12:05] <Dj_AlTeK> i run gentoox on my xbox
[12:06] <simber> i just want to buy a new printer and i just wanted to know if somebody as used it
[12:06] <flankk> Quest-Master, what is 'Gentoo software' ? if it is from the gentoo repos, then it has been patched, if you used the original.. then figure it out for yourself.
[12:06] <Quest-Master> It's not from Gentoo
[12:06] <Quest-Master> Figure it out for myself? Thanks for the help!
[12:07] <flankk> Quest-Master, er.. this is #ubuntu
[12:07] <Dj_AlTeK> not #gentoo
[12:07] <Quest-Master> flankk: Yeah. And it's an #ubuntu problem if it works on other distros. but not mine. This has nothing to with Gentoo. :)
[12:08] <flankk> Quest-Master, ah, now comes a glimpse of clarity
[12:08] <ThE__OnE> whats a good firewall?
[12:08] <flankk> Quest-Master, you haven't given the name of the package, and if you are compiling, it is not platform-dependant.
[12:08] <mbirkis> ThE__OnE: iptables
[12:09] <mozzi> simber: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1010
[12:09] <ThE__OnE> a firewall which can ask me if i should allow certain program to access the internet like winxp firewall
[12:09] <jward> hmm.. ubuntu ships with firefox 1.0.2... does it upgrade to 1.0.4?
[12:09] <mozzi> google is your friend
[12:09] <mozzi> :D
[12:10] <mbirkis> ThE__OnE: i don't know of any application based firewalls... maybe google can help, or someone else has an idea... sorry
[12:10] <flankk> ThE__OnE, apt-cache search is also your friend
[12:10] <ThE__OnE> ya google is your friend, but google is filles with many choices, narrowing it down is not easy
[12:10] <mozzi> ThE__OnE: try www.clarkconnect.org
[12:10] <simber> mozzi: thank you very much
[12:11] <nalioth> ThE__OnE: i have somethign for you, hang on a minim
[12:11] <mozzi> simber: next time do this http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&biw=795&q=hp+laserjet+1010&btnG=Search
[12:12] <ThE__OnE> nalioth, oh i will
[12:12] <nalioth> ThE__OnE: check this out:  http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[12:12] <ThE__OnE> ok
[12:13] <Thanatermesis> ThE__OnE, ? hi
[12:13] <mozzi> ThE__OnE: you can also try smoothwall
[12:14] <mozzi> just out of interest what has xp firewall have to do with this?
[12:14] <Thanatermesis> I have packaged a serie of libs and utils for E17 for debian, any person speak me of in ubuntu have problems (diferents versions of libs), if any person like to try the packages and help me for repair dependences for use in ubuntu same to debian... speak me
[12:14] <llaama> "/ whois ChanServ"
[12:14] <llaama> !!
[12:14] <ubotu> llaama: Are you smoking crack?
[12:14] <llaama> huh?
[12:15] <llaama> what?
[12:15] <llaama> to a whois to ChanServ
[12:15] <llaama> amiga!
[12:15] <llaama> gghd
[12:16] <llaama> what happened here/
[12:16] <llaama> ...
[12:16] <llaama> did everyone die?
[12:16] <nalioth> llaama: yes, you killed us all
[12:16] <mozzi> ThE__OnE: winxp firewall just blocs stuff how can you let it through?
[12:16] <sirri^> llaama, I'm still here.. asking a question soon
[12:16] <anto9us> hehe
[12:16] <llaama> ahhh
[12:16] <Thanatermesis> any person like to try E17 ?
[12:16] <mozzi> you seem to have another problem
[12:16] <asadf> setting up setting setting up
[12:16] <asadf> taking foever
[12:17] <asadf> but i cant wait
[12:17] <mozzi> Thanatermesis: what is E17?
[12:17] <nalioth> mozzi: enlightenment desktop mangler
[12:17] <nalioth> mozzi: version .17
[12:17] <mozzi> aha! sorry run kubuntu
[12:18] <llaama> there arent any operators in this channel?
[12:18] <catch> what user does apache2 run as in ubuntu?
[12:18] <sirri^> Is it just me and my messed up system or why does this happen: apt-get upgrade: e2fslibs: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is installed \n e2fsprogs: PreDepends: e2fslibs (= 1.35-8ubuntu2) but 1.37+1.38-WIP-0509-1 is installed ?
[12:18] <nalioth> llaama: are you gonna cause trouble?
[12:18] <mozzi> llaama: what you bleating about?
[12:18] <llaama> no
[12:18] <Thanatermesis> mozzi, enlightenment 17
[12:18] <nalioth> sirri^: are you using non-ubuntu repos?
[12:18] <sirri^> nalioth, universe :)
[12:19] <rBo3Db> hello... i had until recently ubuntu on the hdb... i took out the hda for some reason, and the former hdb is now hda... can anyone direct me how should i start to tell grub (/boot--hda5) to boot? thanks...
[12:19] <sirri^> nalioth, and marillat
[12:19] <nalioth> sirri^: the marillat is causing the problem
[12:19] <catch> rBo3Db: backup grub.conf and menu.lst in /boot/grub and run update-grub
[12:20] <catch> can anyone tell me, what user does apache2 run as in ubuntu?
[12:20] <llaama> ChanServ has been logged in for 35 years?!
[12:20] <asadf> setting up xlibs
[12:20] <asadf> how far until done?
[12:20] <dajar> hey all
[12:21] <colin__> hello, i just have a quick question
[12:21] <dajar> how easy is it to set up ssh
[12:21] <catch> dajar : sudo apt-get install ssh
[12:21] <colin__> the ubuntu-5.04-dvd-i386.iso is an install dvd right? not a live dvd?
[12:21] <sirri^> nalioth, right. I'll look in to it
[12:21] <rBo3Db> catch: thank u... from which point am I supposed to run that command? i can't get into ubuntu... running knoppix now?
[12:21] <asadf> both i think!
[12:22] <catch> colin__ : you can do both
[12:22] <nalioth> dajar: you should have a ssh client by default
[12:22] <dajar> how would i configure it
[12:22] <nalioth> dajar: did you want a ssh server?
[12:22] <colin__> thanks so much
[12:22] <dajar> i want ot be and ssh server
[12:22] <TokenBad> anyone know the url for the unstable repository? it has the new version of electric sheep on it..
[12:22] <catch> dajar: it auto configures
[12:22] <Thanatermesis> what are the version of libc6 used in ubuntu ?
[12:22] <dajar> so i set it up
[12:23] <concept10> rBo3Db, you can edit the boot comands from the grub menu upon startup
[12:23] <dajar> then it adds users form my users and groups?
[12:23] <nalioth> dajar: then install "openssh-server"
[12:23] <catch> dajar : that's correct
[12:23] <catch> unless you've done something cleaver with pam :)
[12:23] <catch> does anyone know what user apache2 runs as please?
[12:24] <rBo3Db> concept10: thanks... well, my hda just won't get me into the grub shell... should i try to put grub into MBR somehow?
[12:25] <amonkey> what package do i need to open up ace files
[12:25] <GreaseMonkey> Pingout already!
[12:25] <nalioth> amonkey: unace-nonfree
[12:25] <catch> GreaseMonkey : if you haev it registered then ghost it :)
[12:26] <amonkey> nalioth, i don't see that package, what rep do i need?
[12:26] <GreaseMonkey> catch: How?
[12:26] <catch> so long as you have it registered /nickserv identify <nick> <pass>
[12:26] <nalioth> amonkey: uni and multi should cover it
[12:26] <catch> . /nickserv ghost <nick>
[12:26] <concept10> rBo3Db, if you are in Knoppix right now, edit menu.lst and then reboot
[12:26] <catch> i think from memory
[12:27] <catch> concept10 : do you know which user apache2 runs as by default ?
[12:27] <rBo3Db> concept10: well, should i change all those references to hd1,5 to hd0,5?.. only that?
[12:29] <GreaseMonkey> catch: Isn't working
[12:29] <amonkey> nalioth, i see unrar-nonfree, no unace
[12:29] <GreaseMonkey> keeps saying that <GreaseMonkey> isn't registered
[12:29] <catch> GreaseMonkey : you have registered it?
[12:30] <GreaseMonkey> I registered Kyral
[12:30] <catch> and identified to it correctly
[12:30] <nalioth> amonkey: really? let me look
[12:30] <rBo3Db> concept10: indeed, don't mean you should know my partition numbers...
[12:30] <GreaseMonkey> GreaseMonkey is my alt
[12:30] <GreaseMonkey> Kyral SHOULD have pinged out by now
[12:30] <nalioth> amonkey: my apt-cache search turned it up
[12:31] <concept10> rBo3Db, correct.  Just find out what your partitions are and change them accordingly
[12:31] <catch> GreaseMonkey : did you do /nickserv identify Kyral <your password> ?
[12:31] <GreaseMonkey> yah
[12:31] <concept10> catch, let me see
[12:31] <GreaseMonkey> said the nick GreaseMonkey isn't registered
[12:31] <catch> and then /nickserv ghost Kyral ?
[12:31] <catch> hmmmm .... 2 secs
[12:32] <dajar_> thanks for helking my with everything guys :D
[12:32] <rBo3Db> concept10: i appreciate your help, will give a try...
[12:32] <amonkey> nalioth, mine doesn't, and i just verified i have uni and multi. do you have additional reps?
[12:32] <dajar_> ive installed open-sshserver do i need to run it
[12:33] <concept10> catch, I dont know about ubuntu but in debian the user is www-data, may be the same, I dont run apache in ubuntu
[12:33] <GreaseMonkey> catch: Found the command
[12:33] <nalioth> amonkey: only source repos
[12:33] <dajar_> or does it automaticly run
[12:33] <catch> GreaseMonkey :)
[12:33] <catch> concept10 cheers, will try that now :)
[12:33] <amonkey> nalioth, odd
[12:34] <GreaseMonkey> nickserv ghost <nick> <password>
[12:34] <catch> GreaseMonkey : ahh thoguht you had to identiy first
[12:34] <GreaseMonkey> and guess what
[12:34] <jesus> bluetooth in a Toshiba Sat.Pro M10... help!
[12:34] <GreaseMonkey> it already pinged out :P
[12:34] <dajar_> and ssh uses port 23?
[12:35] <sirri^> nalioth, commenting out those marillat repos doesn't work. Any ideas on how to fix this?
[12:35] <catch> dejar_ : 22
[12:35] <catch> isnt ti?
[12:35] <catch> or am i just tired
[12:35] <llaama> so, does anyone here know why my wireless network connection is sending but not receiving?
[12:35] <dajar_> 22? dammit i jsut unlocked port 23
[12:36] <dajar_> and does it autorun?
[12:36] <dajar_> or do i have to start it
[12:36] <catch> dajar_ : depends on your setup ;) if you just have a straight build of ubuntu, it should auto run, but test it first :)
[12:37] <dajar_> thanks 1 min
[12:37] <nalioth> sirri^: remove the offending item (use synaptic)
[12:37] <nalioth> sirri^: then reinstall from ubuntu repos
[12:37] <nalioth> amonkey: are you overwhelmed?
[12:37] <nalioth> dajar_: if you install "openssh-server" you do nothing. it does it all on its own
[12:37] <dajar_> thanks :)
[12:38] <dajar_> and its port 22?
[12:38] <Mez> hmm
[12:38] <Mez> trying to run mythtv - it's segfauklting
[12:38] <amonkey> nalioth, not really, unace without the nonfree was there
[12:38] <amonkey> nalioth, and it worked
[12:39] <nalioth> amonkey: well there you go
[12:39] <catch> dajar_ http://www.lb.shuttle.de/apastron/ports.htm
[12:40] <nalioth> amonkey: i run PPC, which is why i have all the deb-src lines
[12:40] <dajar__> i looked at wikipeida :)
[12:40] <dajar__> thanks anyway
[12:41] <sirri^> nalioth, The package which I get complaints when trying to upgrade, e2fslibs, can't removed due to dependencies.
[12:42] <hyrax42> ok
[12:42] <hyrax42> this is drivign me nuts
[12:42] <kong0> can i get quake? my friend runs gentoo and he inputs the command emerge quake, can i do something like that?
[12:42] <lesliev> bye!
[12:43] <hyrax42> totem wont' let me set the option NOT to play stupid visualisations over audio files
[12:43] <hyrax42> I click, it resets the checkbox right away
[12:43] <Kyral> Then don't use Totem :P
[12:43] <hyrax42> well what do I use for just doube click type playing?
[12:43] <Kyral> XMMS?
[12:44] <Kyral> Beep Media Player?
[12:44] <hyrax42> booo
[12:44] <hyrax42> what's beep?
[12:44] <nalioth> sirri^: to solve your problem, you will have to dismantle the house marillat made for you
[12:44] <nalioth> sirri^: a piece at a time
[12:44] <seb128> do you use a backport?
[12:44] <kong0> ok nobody here has quake?
[12:44] <hyrax42> seb128: I think so
[12:44] <Kyral> another WINAMP look-a-like
[12:44] <seb128> somebody send a bug today about this
[12:44] <seb128> and closed it saying that's due to a backport version
[12:44] <Kyral> uses GTK2 rather than GTK1
[12:44] <seb128> try with the hoary version ...
[12:44] <hyrax42> hrmmmm
[12:44] <hyrax42> how can I "downgrade"
[12:45] <Kyral> I believe the package is beep-media-player
[12:45] <seb128> sudo apt-get install totem/hoary
[12:45] <hyrax42> will that remove the other?
[12:45] <JonA> kong0: Which Quake?
[12:45] <seb128> it will downgrade to the hoary version, yep
[12:45] <kong0> hmm i guess the latest
[12:46] <JonA> kong0: Quake 1?
[12:46] <kong0> i want 2
[12:46] <Kyral> its fine when skinned out...
[12:46] <kong0> if there are any players on the internet anymore that is...
[12:46] <^thehatsrule^> no i like it Kyral
[12:46] <sirri^> nalioth, they made a big house of doom for me. I see couple of options, 1) blow the whole house and rebuild it 2) wait for next ubuntu release to upgrade packages or 3) get packages from debian unstable, try to work it out and then revert to option number 1. No other options?
[12:47] <Kyral> Linux is all about choices :D
[12:47] <JonA> kong0: Can't really help you with Quake 2, there is a fine Quake 1 distribution (engine, datafiles, GPLed textures etc) at equake.quakeworld.nu. If you try the forums on quakeworld.nu, they might be able to help you with Quake 2.
[12:47] <sirri^> nalioth, and it can't be done. Packages such as sysvinit and ubuntu-base depend on e2fslibs indirectly.
[12:47] <asadf> finally
[12:47] <kong0> ok thx
[12:47] <xooooz> so many choices that you may end up exhausted
[12:47] <asadf> i see an os up
[12:47] <hyrax42> seb128: gives error
[12:47] <seb128> what error?
[12:47] <nalioth> sirri^: sounds like you have it well in hand
[12:48] <hyrax42> unmet dependencies
[12:48] <nalioth> sirri^: this is why backports and marillat are not advised
[12:48] <hyrax42> E: Broken packages
[12:49] <hyrax42> if they're not advised, why are they advised?
[12:49] <TokenBad> no one knows anything about the unstable repository and what its url might be?
[12:49] <hyrax42> at least backports
[12:49] <nalioth> hyrax42: the wiki is open to all writers
[12:49] <Kyral> backports is safe....
[12:49] <asadf> yo guys
[12:49] <hyrax42> how else can one play mp3
[12:49] <Burgundavia> TokenBad, mixing debian and ubuntu sources is bad
[12:49] <seb128> hyrax42: what packages?
[12:49] <asadf> how come i cant make my screen resolution higher than 800x6000
[12:49] <concept10> nalioth, i need your help brother
[12:50] <TokenBad> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/06/msg01347.html
[12:50] <nalioth> hyrax42: got my mp3 stuff from multivers/universe
[12:50] <asadf> how come i cant make my screen resolution higher than 800x600 i mean
[12:50] <Kyral> Hyrax: Beep, Rhythm Box
[12:50] <TokenBad> its just a screen saver
[12:50] <refuze2looze> asadf: your xorg.conf file is most likely not configured correctly
[12:50] <sirri^> nalioth, I understand that backports suck and was amazed to see it as a official project of ubuntu. It seems to be very much in conflict with ubuntu idea and doesn't do any good. I used marillat due to decoders and such, it worked with debian (if I remember correctly) so I saw no problem using it.
[12:50] <Mobius> asadf what graphics card do you have?
[12:50] <TokenBad> and thats the info posted to me about it being uploaded to unstable repository
[12:50] <asadf> thats why
[12:50] <asadf> its a crpa one
[12:50] <asadf> nm
[12:50] <asadf> i made a computer from donated parts
[12:50] <asadf> lol
[12:50] <asadf> this ubuntu looks neat
[12:51] <nalioth> sirri^: in the future, enable the "off" repos, get what you need and disable them
[12:51] <sirri^> nalioth, I'll do that. Thanks for your tips
[12:52] <concept10> I installed Ubuntu on my sisters computer but grub didnt detect her Windows XP partition.  How do I log onto her computer so I may edit her grub?  I havent used ssh over internet, just local networks
[12:52] <nalioth> sirri^: another way is to build from source (using apt-get)
[12:52] <asadf> yo
[12:52] <asadf> when i change my repositories to universe
[12:53] <Bols> hi, is there a way to prevent a module from being loaded at boot, plz?
[12:53] <asadf> do i change the CD ubuntu binary
[12:53] <asadf> or just the ubuntu binary?
[12:53] <nalioth> asadf: dont bother with the CD line
[12:53] <asadf> ok
[12:53] <nalioth> asadf: unless you want to disable it
[12:53] <Kyral> How do you built Apt-Get stuff from source anyway?
[12:53] <nalioth> asadf: it wont hurt anything
[12:53] <sirri^> nalioth, right. Gotta get some sleep, it's been a long day. Good night
[12:53] <dajar__> yey ssh works
[12:53] <Kyral> I know there are two options, but I don't know how to use them
[12:53] <nalioth> Kyral: "sudo apt-get source -b <pkgname>"
[12:53] <dajar__> :)
[12:53] <dajar__> thanks all
[12:54] <dajar__> next on the list - ftp server
[12:54] <Kyral> so, in theory, you could start with a server install, and compile from source?
[12:54] <nalioth> Kyral: yes
[12:54] <rlklee> Hey, I've got a DVD problem, anyone interested in helping out (if able)?
[12:54] <Kyral> and all the depends would compile from source too?
[12:54] <xooooz> /lastlog Kyral
[12:55] <nalioth> Kyral: there are two steps
[12:55] <nalioth> Kyral: one: "sudo apt-get build-dep <pkgname>"
[12:55] <Kyral> 'cause yanno, I'm bored, and I may try this on my next reinstall :D
[12:55] <nalioth> Kyral: then the other line
[12:55] <Kyral> niiiiice
[12:56] <rlklee> Libdvdcss2 *is* installed, and the players I've tried play all the way through the first DVD chapter and then claim either to be unable to play onwards due to either my no haing the priviledges to play it, or due to my trying to play an encrypted dvd w/o libdvdcss2 installed.
[12:56] <hyrax42> hrm
[12:56] <hyrax42> I think I screwed up my install then
[12:57] <Kyral> Welcome to Linux :P
[12:57] <ChinaCatJones> what do I need to do after I do a full system restore to get back on track, I am having all sorts of little problems
[12:58] <hyrax42> seb128: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:58] <hyrax42>   totem: Depends: totem-gstreamer (= 1.0.1-0ubuntu1) but 1.1.1-0ubuntu3~5.04ubp1  is to be installed or
[12:58] <hyrax42>                   totem-xine (= 1.0.1-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be instal led
[12:58] <hyrax42> E: Broken packages
[12:58] <hyrax42> so what's my recourse if I polluted it with backports?
[12:58] <Kyral> funny
[12:58] <hyrax42> I don't have any particular attachment
[12:58] <seb128> apt-get install totem-<version>/hoary
[12:58] <Kyral> I enabled Backports immediately and I never had any problems
[12:59] <hyrax42> well the totem in backports is the broke
[12:59] <Kyral> heck, I use backports-staging
[12:59] <davidmccabe> Hi folks.
[12:59] <davidmccabe> I'm trying to get a recent mono on hoary in the safest way possible. I tried adding a backports repository, but then it wants to upgrade a whole bunch of other stuff that I'm not sure if I want or not.
[01:00] <davidmccabe> because I don't, in general, want to run untested stuff.
[01:00] <davidmccabe> any pointers on *selectively* installing newer stuff? thanks!
[01:00] <Kyral> I broke Beagle somehow lol
[01:00] <Kyral> not that I need it, locate works fine :D
[01:00] <nalioth> davidmccabe: enable whatever repos you want, get your stuff, and then comment the repos back out
[01:00] <hyrax42> davidmccabe: you don't want to upgrade from backports :)
[01:01] <hyrax42> or at least I don't
[01:01] <hyrax42> before I know wtf I'm doing
[01:01] <davidmccabe> nalioth: oh, and it won't screw things up when those repos disappear? neat.
[01:01] <hyrax42> :/
[01:01] <rlklee> Does anybody have any clue as to my DVD playing issue?
[01:01] <davidmccabe> another question: If I want to compile a program from CVS, do I need to tell APT anything about that?
[01:01] <davidmccabe> like, on gentoo, I have to put that package name in /etc/portage/packages.provided.
[01:01] <hyrax42> what is a regexp that could get just the directory path from a full filename?
[01:01] <davidmccabe> just use dirname, hyrax.
[01:02] <hyrax42> ah, there we go :)
[01:02] <hyrax42> thanks
[01:02] <TokenBad> can someone look at this page and tell me if you can see how I am supposed to use apt-get to get the file: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/06/msg01347.html
[01:02] <ChinaCatJones> cvs operate independent of cvs, i believe
[01:02] <nalioth> davidmccabe: if you compile your own stuff, i advise you to check a progrem called "checkinstall"
[01:02] <Kyral> Any idea when Colony 2 is coming out?
[01:02] <nalioth> davidmccabe: it makes debs (to keep your system in order)
[01:02] <davidmccabe> backports is unauthenticated. that's normal, right?
[01:02] <Kyral> yah
[01:03] <hyrax42> ok so I want to do locate .mp3 and send that to dirname and then to sort -u
[01:03] <hyrax42> pipe on the first doesn't work though
[01:03] <dajar__> is there an ftp server with a gui?
[01:03] <hyrax42> is there a find like --exec?
[01:04] <nalioth> TokenBad: ya got all your src repos enabled?
[01:04] <TokenBad> yeah but it just downloads the 2.5 version
[01:04] <Thanatermesis> what are the version of libc6 used in ubuntu ?
[01:04] <TokenBad> it don't see the 2.6.2 version
[01:05] <nalioth> TokenBad: i don't know anything about the different levels of repo
[01:05] <Thanatermesis> any person like to are a beta-tester for the packages of E17 ? (from debian originally)
[01:05] <nalioth> TokenBad: perhaps its for breezy?
[01:05] <TokenBad> no its debian..
[01:05] <ChinaCatJones> dajar- I use vsftpd and manage it through webmin
[01:05] <Thanatermesis> I need to adapt my packages for ubuntu users
[01:05] <sly> dajr................. good question
[01:05] <sly> from leeds ?
[01:05] <dajar__> yeah
[01:05] <nalioth> Thanatermesis: check out #ubuntu-motr
[01:05] <dajar__> webmin
[01:05] <Thanatermesis> motr?
[01:05] <Thanatermesis> ok
[01:06] <dajar__> how easy is that to install?
[01:06] <asadf> to is it safe to put a wubwoofer ear the computer tower?
[01:06] <nalioth> crap
[01:06] <sly> <--------- Sheffield :)
[01:06] <fus3> ?
[01:06] <asadf> sub*
[01:06] <Thanatermesis> o_O
[01:06] <nalioth> Thanatermesis: sorry, #ubuntu-motu
[01:06] <Thanatermesis> oh
[01:06] <PoopinClumpin> asadf, as long as it doesnt vibrate enough to shake the hard drives
[01:06] <dajar__> lol
[01:06] <dajar__> nice
[01:07] <dajar__> im just trying to set up a simple server for a couple of us
[01:07] <dajar__> the last thing on the list is ftp
[01:07] <rodimus> guys, i really like to get to learn linux, i heard ubuntu is a fine first choice
[01:07] <rodimus> is that true
[01:07] <rodimus> and will it run on my 333 mhz 192 ram?
[01:07] <hyrax42> ok... what is the benejit of backports
[01:07] <hyrax42> then
[01:07] <hyrax42> ?
[01:07] <dajar__> ive installed a server
[01:07] <hyrax42> I'm confused
[01:07] <dajar__> i just have no idea how to configure it
[01:07] <dajar__> or how to start it
[01:07] <sly> good westion bout server gui i wouldnt mind one
[01:07] <dajar__> inded
[01:07] <PoopinClumpin> rodimus, yeah, but it will be slow
[01:07] <cthulfuego> rodimus: Yes, but Gnome might be a bit slow. There are other window managers that will run fine, though.
[01:07] <dajar__> im loving unbuntu
[01:08] <sly> great stuff indeed
[01:08] <rodimus> thats too bad
[01:08] <dajar__> i ordered 2000 disks for my college and had a linux day
[01:08] <nalioth> rodimus: run just fine on that hardware
[01:08] <dajar__> gave them all out
[01:08] <rodimus> hmm
[01:08] <mbirkis> it isn't that difficult to set up a ftp server without gui...
[01:08] <dajar__> had demonstrations
[01:08] <rodimus> you all say different things, i mean, gnome is the most fancy one
[01:08] <sly> our lass is in bed at side of me................................ imavin type type slow/quiet
[01:08] <cthulfuego> apt-get install proftpd; done
[01:08] <dajar__> mbirkis ive never done it before
[01:08] <rodimus> and i like to keep it fancy ;)
[01:08] <rodimus> but you all believe gnome will run slow on it?
[01:08] <nalioth> mbirkis: not really, as long as ya got a text editor
[01:08] <sly> aint proftpd got any gui frontends ?
[01:08] <cthulfuego> rodimus: Yes.
[01:09] <mbirkis> dajar__: look for guides on google... it is great learning
[01:09] <nalioth> rodimus: not so, KDE is much more fancy than gnome
[01:09] <cthulfuego> rodimus: Gnome likes lots of ram and a fast cpu.
[01:09] <rodimus> and kde is faster than gnome?
[01:09] <cthulfuego> sly: wtf would you need a gui?
[01:09] <nalioth> rodimus: nope, it requires more power
[01:09] <cthulfuego> rodimus: No, KDE is much of a muchness.
[01:09] <PoopinClumpin> i believe the default ubuntu install will run slw on it. im sure there are many ways to increase the performance on a 333mhz box
[01:10] <rodimus> ah , can one choose among these when installing?
[01:10] <cthulfuego> rodimus: if you install with the 'server' boot parameter it will install only the basics and you cana dd whatever you like.
[01:10] <rodimus> i have no clue how to tweak linux so i hoped it would run pretty ok from the start
[01:10] <sly> how about for pure easyness of my girlfriend running it ............... just cos most of us can use text editors , not every one can
[01:10] <nalioth> rodimus: you'll be fine
[01:11] <rodimus> does the live cd give a decent impression of ubuntu?
[01:11] <PoopinClumpin> rodimus, it will run, and you will be able to use it. but a faster processor and more ram would be needed to get good performance
[01:11] <cthulfuego> rodimus: Yes, except that running Gnome off a CD is a LOT slower again ;-)
[01:11] <Thanatermesis> any person like to are a beta-tester for the packages of E17 ? (from debian originally)
[01:11] <Thanatermesis> I need to adapt my packages for ubuntu users if any ubuntu user are interessed
[01:11] <PoopinClumpin> if you dont mind waiting a split second for dropdown menus and cmboboxes to appear then you wont have a problem
[01:11] <rodimus> damn, win xp runs fine, i thought ubuntu would run even faster
[01:11] <flankk> rodimus, the live cd gave me such a good impression, i put racing stripes over the windows logo on my box.
[01:12] <rodimus> flankk: really? i've downlaoded the live cd, gonna burn it in the morning and try it out
[01:12] <PoopinClumpin> rodimus, every machine is different though. you should probably just try it out and see how it works before you start making choices
[01:13] <rodimus> poopin: guess it takes a while to switch over completly
[01:13] <flankk> rodimus, the neat thing about a live cd, is you are actually using a full-blown linux system, but a lot slower :)
[01:13] <rodimus> i tried out lighter live cd's like dsl and feather
[01:13] <flankk> rodimus, how much ram do you have?
[01:14] <rodimus> but they werent too much eye candy
[01:14] <rodimus> 192
[01:14] <ChinaCatJones>  I am having a post recovery nightmare, I reinstalled ubuntu and then untarred my backup file, and now everything is wonky
[01:14] <flankk> rodimus, it should run fine
[01:14] <fus3> 640k
[01:14] <rodimus> flannk: guess the only way is to try it out
[01:14] <rodimus> i heard installing programs is really simple on ubuntu
[01:15] <ChinaCatJones> someone please save me from myself
[01:15] <flankk> rodimus, naw, the way i did it was just format my drive and force-fed myself linux programs.  you get used to it after 2 months, then it actually is more convenient.
[01:16] <rodimus> flannk: are there any programs you miss having on linux that you had on xp?
[01:16] <Bols> where can I find the sources for my kernel, plz?
[01:16] <cthulfuego> Bols: After you install them they'll be in /usr/src
[01:17] <debugger> bob2, maybe this helps: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html
[01:17] <flankk> rodimus, that's exactly what you think for the first two weeks; you're like, 'shit.. linux sux.. it has nothing that xp does' but if you force yourself to find ways around it, you will adapt fine.. there are alternative for -everything- nowadays.  most people have just become so attached to ms
[01:17] <robertj> useful yes, but convenient is stretching it unless your compiling lots of exotic stuff
[01:17] <robertj> flankk: What's the iDVD alternative?
[01:17] <cthulfuego> rodimus: it's got office, gimp and a shell. What else do people need?
[01:17] <robertj> flankk: or the Age of Kings alternative?
[01:18] <flankk> robertj, if a system that can do everything automated however -you- want isn't convenience, then you define the term.
[01:18] <rodimus> hmm, well im gonna miss jeskola buzz tracker in that case
[01:18] <cthulfuego> rodimus: WinXP doesn't have iDVD either and the windows dvd software is *shit*
[01:18] <rodimus> although i heard someone had succeded in installing it on linux
[01:18] <robertj> flankk: convenience is doing what you want in a fashion that doesn't impede your lifestyle
[01:18] <rodimus> cthul: i didnt write that idvd thing though :)
[01:18] <refuze2looze> don't want to start another big argument, but i still think photoshop is better than the gimp..
[01:18] <cthulfuego> rodimus: No, tab went wrong
[01:19] <rodimus> ah
[01:19] <robertj> flankk: so, yes, God willing I could perhaps devote my life to learning about the dev process and round up an OSS possy, and create gDVD, but it wouldn't be convenient
[01:19] <cthulfuego> refuze2looze: it is for professionals, but not for hiome users who edit the odd digital photo for the web
[01:19] <rodimus> ohwell thanks guys, im gonna try out the live cd, see if i like it
[01:19] <ChinaCatJones> flankk, I am realitive newbie to linux, but I forced myself to keep with it for a couple of weeks, and the first time logged back into XP I was thinking what a clunker
[01:19] <robertj> refuze: yeah it is IMO, but its not got the gap that iDVD and...whatever it is have
[01:19] <Bols> cthulfuego, I know it, but I have no internet connection on my ubuntu, so I would like to download these sources linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386, do you know where I can find this pkg?
[01:20] <refuze2looze> cthulfuego, i use it mostly for webdesign, among other things..
[01:20] <robertj> Cupid is umm, not quite there yet.
[01:20] <rodimus> cheers, sleep tight all
[01:20] <cthulfuego> refuze2looze: Then the only advantage photoshop has fo you is that you know where menu items are.
[01:20] <cthulfuego> refuze2looze: Gimp does *all* the same things; just works slightly different;y.
[01:20] <GNULinuxer_> bob2> hi
[01:21] <refuze2looze> cthulfuego, only more than slightly
[01:21] <cthulfuego> Bols: pool/l/linux-* - hceck on the ftp/http server.
[01:21] <nalioth> refuze2looze: if you like the menu placement of Photoshop, try gimpshop
[01:21] <GNULinuxer_> bob2> you there?
[01:21] <cthulfuego> refuze2looze: Only not.
[01:21] <refuze2looze> nalioth, i've tried it, it's prtty cool
[01:21] <robertj> cthul: Photoshop does have features the GIMP does regarding colorspaces and other such I know nothing about
[01:22] <robertj> but they are important to serious pre-press types
[01:22] <robertj> cthul: but thats water under the bridge compared to some of the other things that are missing
[01:22] <Bols> cthulfuego, thx
[01:22] <cthulfuego> refuze2looze: You don't _need_ colourspaces for web design.
[01:22] <robertj> And the big stuff that is happening, people don't notice
[01:22] <robertj> Is anyone besides me following Avahi?
[01:22] <refuze2looze> nalioth, only i had the incorrect version of libc in order to use it so i installed a version from sid and broke my linux installation
[01:23] <dsmith-texas> hey, does anyone know if audigy 2 works with ubuntu?
[01:23] <robertj> dsmith: i'm pretty sure as long as its an internal
[01:23] <robertj> not sure on that, but I think you are ok
[01:23] <dsmith-texas> i tired live cd and it didnt work
[01:23] <Luddite> anyone ever used the driverloader software for Ubuntu
[01:23] <dsmith-texas> it looked like the drivers were loaded, but no sound
[01:24] <refuze2looze> cthulfuego, i don't know what it is.. maybe it is because i've been using photoshop for 5 years and gimp for less than 1 year
[01:24] <Luddite> hey dsmith? you ever used driverloader
[01:24] <dsmith-texas> nope
[01:24] <LinuxJones> dsmith-texas, you checked your volume settings/mute controls ?
[01:24] <okaaay> Hey, what luck.. Heard someone mention freenode, and I thought "hey, maybe there's an ubuntu-channel there". Goodie.
[01:24] <dsmith-texas> i am new to linux
[01:24] <dsmith-texas> ya
[01:24] <refuze2looze> cthulfuego, btw, dreamworks studios runs linux but uses photoshop via vmware
[01:24] <dsmith-texas> i tried all that
[01:24] <Funraiser> do you guys think that now that Apples will run on intel processors there will be a lot of pirated Mac OS X out there? (in torrents and stuff)
[01:24] <cthulfuego> refuze2looze: I by far prefer photoshop too, but functionality wise they're pretty much on par for non-print work. Notable exception being my gimp doesn't like non-72-dpi TIFFs.
[01:24] <dsmith-texas> there was a simtel audio device on there
[01:25] <nalioth> refuze2looze: hmm, mine compiled just fine (but i'm on ppc)
[01:25] <okaaay> Anyone got any experience installing an ATI-card (in my case, radeon X800XT) with (k)ubuntu? Got some problems(..).
[01:25] <dsmith-texas> but i dont have anything like that
[01:25] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, no
[01:25] <QMario> Do any of you guys know how to install XRMS?
[01:25] <Funraiser> LinuxJones, it doesn't change anything about piracy?
[01:25] <Luddite> I tried installing it but it says it can't find my kernel sources and headers
[01:25] <robertj> there is also a #kubuntu
[01:25] <dsmith-texas> my ati radeon worked fine, 9600 pro
[01:25] <okaaay> There is? Oh. How nice. (:
[01:25] <Luddite> and i even looked in the dir and they were there
[01:25] <okaaay> Well, more people here.
[01:26] <refuze2looze> Funraiser, there already are pirated versions of Mac OS X out there
[01:26] <dsmith-texas> is kubunti for k desktop
[01:26] <okaaay> kde, yeah
[01:26] <ChinaCatJones> Funraiser- The first thing I thought when I saw OS-X was M$ is screwed if they ever port to x86
[01:26] <Funraiser> refuze2looze,  i know but one needs the machine too, right?
[01:26] <dsmith-texas> ;errm
[01:26] <robertj> refuze: I haven't seen any credible evidence of that
[01:26] <okaaay> Well, I'll type, and if you know anything, just respond.
[01:26] <dsmith-texas> does anyone here actually run an audigy2 under ubuntu?
[01:26] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, why would it. Apple software will still only run their chosen hardware and they will likely impose DRM to prohibit just that.
[01:26] <refuze2looze> Funraiser, yeah. if you're asking whether the x86 version of Mac OS will most likely be hacked in order to run on non-macintosh hardware, my guess would be yes
[01:27] <robertj> Refuze: I'd give it 2 more weeks, they said Developers wouldn't get their machines for 2 weeks from the day of the keynote
[01:27] <ChinaCatJones> Funraiser- I haven't heard that it was going to be a move to x86 nesecarilly, maybe intel build ppc for them or a new chip family
[01:27] <Funraiser> ohhh
[01:27] <Bols> cthulfuego, linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>_<IP_ADDRESS>-16_all.deb << does it mean that this pkg contains all the sources from <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS>-16 ?
[01:27] <robertj> China: I think its pretty safe to say they will be x86
[01:28] <refuze2looze> robertj, credible evidence of what?
[01:28] <okaaay> I've followed most guides I've been able to find, and nothing has worked. What I just saw though was that even when I ran fglrxconfig and set my monitor to use 1280x1024 res, it reverts to 1600x1200, wich I set manualy earlier. It seems as though it doesnt even load the xorg.conf file.
[01:28] <dsmith-texas> audigy2 soundcards, anyone?
[01:28] <robertj> They said there is no technical reason it wouldn't run XP and that they weren't going to make any effort to impede that
[01:28] <robertj> refuze: that OSX86 is out yet
[01:28] <robertj> dsmith: check the wiki I suppose
[01:28] <Dj_AlTeK> ne1 know how to install steam onto a linux system??
[01:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm trying to comple wineCVS anyone know what the heck a c header is and how to get?
[01:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> you need cedega to do that
[01:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and steam runs awsome
[01:29] <Dj_AlTeK> is it free?
[01:29] <Davey> no
[01:29] <Dj_AlTeK> >.>
[01:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> unfortunatly not
[01:29] <Dj_AlTeK> can I use Wine?
[01:29] <dsmith-texas> does anyone know if there is a hardware compatibility list for ubuntu?
[01:29] <okaaay> What has happend before  (and still is) is that it's giving me an errormessage when I type fglrxinfo.. Something like Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". And on no forums have I found an answer to this message.
[01:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm not shure i never tryed it as i was tld it's more
[01:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> for applications
[01:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> than games
[01:30] <refuze2looze> robertj, i never said that os x on x86 was out yet, although steve jobs did announce that they had it running on x86 chips for years
[01:30] <nalioth> dsmith-texas: linux hardware compatability list will do
[01:30] <thenuke> I think steam needs cedega
[01:30] <thenuke> instead of wine
[01:30] <dsmith-texas> where can i get one?
[01:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can anyone tell me how to get the c headers for the x i686 kernal so i can comple wine?
[01:30] <dsmith-texas> i got a good pc (alienware)
[01:30] <nalioth> dsmith-texas: not sure, but you can google it
[01:31] <dsmith-texas> but want to drop ms...
[01:31] <dsmith-texas> ok
[01:31] <dsmith-texas> thanks
[01:31] <robertj> 	refuze2looze	Funraiser, there already are pirated versions of Mac OS X out there
[01:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> alienware ::::DROOL:::::::
[01:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats like the caddelac of the pc systems
[01:31] <vinux> ChurcH_of_FoamY, too pricey for me
[01:31] <refuze2looze> robertj, i just said that 5 minutes ago..
[01:31] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: i can build my own 'cadillac'
[01:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i found that falcon northwest makes some nice systems too
[01:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> same i have built every computer i have ever owend
[01:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's much more price effciant and i know exactly whats in there
[01:32] <vinux> ChurcH_of_FoamY, yea I will build my system next time
[01:32] <ChinaCatJones> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I got it one piece at a time and it didn't cost me a dime
[01:32] <gek> id rather have a sweet little shuttle box
[01:32] <gek> and a big lcd
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> most of my stuff diden't cost either
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i want an lcd my self
[01:33] <okaaay> Seems no die-hard nerds are here to answer my questions. ):
[01:33] <vinux> ChurcH_of_FoamY, I'm going to build a AMD 64bit 3000 with a gig of ram
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> just can't afford one now
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nice very nice
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i made the mistake of building a p4 system
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what shitty performance in games
[01:34] <vinux> ChurcH_of_FoamY, that's what I got now
[01:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i shoulda listend to my instinct and went amd and nvidia all the way
[01:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have like 2 gigs of 800mhz rambus in it
[01:34] <black-whisp> ChurcH_of_Foamy: are you useing cedega for games?
[01:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but it's still laggy
[01:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes
[01:34] <vinux> ChurcH_of_FoamY, I got a Geforce 5900 XT it's works nice with wow
[01:34] <black-whisp> ChurcH_of_Foamy:
[01:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nice
[01:35] <nalioth> vinux: no smp amd64 machine?
[01:35] <black-whisp> ChurcH_of_Foamy: is it possible to get cedega for 64bit arch?
[01:35] <robertj> vinux: does it play nice with xcompmgr?
[01:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have a gforce 5400mx and it's pritty nice
[01:35] <vinux> nalioth, what's smp?
[01:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes it is but i herd tell that it's not running at a full 64bit
[01:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and that 32bit apps have trouble in the enviroment
[01:35] <vinux> robertj, what's xcompmgr?
[01:36] <black-whisp> okay.. :S damn.. :) but still worth the try. :) i guess. :)
[01:36] <robertj> vinux: pretty window shadows and such ;)
[01:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so anyone answer my questions about compiling wineCVS"
[01:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i need some sorta c headers
[01:36] <robertj> you have to edit your xorg.conf file to enable composite, render, and damage, restart X, and then run xcompmgr from the command line with some flags
[01:36] <vinux> robertj, yea it's ok. Tolerable
[01:37] <robertj> you got it running?
[01:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm just stuck at this c header problem....and it's preventing me from finishing this
[01:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> install
[01:37] <Funraiser> someone knows why so far apple hasn't ported it's OS on x86? seems to me that it would be the best way to really compete against MS...(?)
[01:37] <vinux> robertj, oh wait no I thought you were talking about something else
[01:38] <refuze2looze> anybody else experience segmentation fault in firefox with the mplayer plugin?
[01:38] <vinux> robertj, I didn't do all that with X
[01:38] <Burgundavia> Funraiser, ummm, they have?
[01:38] <Funraiser> refuze2looze, i do
[01:38] <Burgundavia> Funraiser, and every version of OS X has run on x86
[01:38] <Zodiac> Hey guys
[01:38] <Burgundavia> just internally
[01:38] <Zodiac> My flash doesnt play sound
[01:38] <Zodiac> is that weird?
[01:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i know why
[01:38] <vinux> hey who has a 64 bit box in here?
[01:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i think i might be able to help you fix it
[01:39] <refuze2looze> Funraiser, it's freakin annoying.. have you figured out any way to solve it or any video player plugin that works ?
[01:39] <PoopinClumpin> me, vinux
[01:39] <Zodiac> I see
[01:39] <vinux> PoopinClumpin, hows the performance with ubuntu 64 bit?
[01:39] <refuze2looze> Funraiser, it's because Macintosh doesn't want to sell a stand alone operating system but a whole computer system
[01:39] <PoopinClumpin> vinux, i dont know, i have never used the 64 bit version
[01:39] <Funraiser> refuze2looze, it's weird, i have that problem on my laptop (ati drivers) but not on my desktop (nvidia drivers) dunno if there is a link or not...
[01:40] <nalioth> vinux: 2 amd64 3000 processors on the mobo
[01:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY>  :::DROOL::::
[01:40] <Dj_AlTeK> ne1 know where I can download point2play?
[01:40] <nalioth> vinux: or more.   smp = symetric multiprocessing
[01:40] <vinux> nalioth, your box?
[01:40] <Zodiac> Does anybody elses flash not play sound??
[01:40] <refuze2looze> Funraiser, that's weird.. i have the problem with crappy intel integrated graphics card
[01:40] <asadf> yo
[01:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mine diden't
[01:40] <asadf> how can i check to see how much free space i have left on my hdd
[01:40] <nalioth> vinux: i'm fixin to build a dual-proc amd64 box
[01:40] <goldfish_> asadf: df -h
[01:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> then i went into a config and changed the version number
[01:40] <asadf> ?
[01:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> to 1.0.4
[01:40] <asadf> that means nothing to me lol
[01:40] <etacidnys> asadf: open a console
[01:40] <goldfish_> asadf: run that in a terminal
[01:41] <Zodiac> hmm
[01:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> abd now it works
[01:41] <vinux> nalioth, awsome! let me know how it works out :)
[01:41] <asadf> ok
[01:41] <likkashot> whats the best way ton costumize ubuntu , another way then themes
[01:41] <Zodiac> I think I have done that...
[01:41] <etacidnys> likkashot: gnome-look.org
[01:41] <etacidnys> likkashot: try there
[01:41] <nalioth> likkashot: with a text editoor
[01:41] <refuze2looze> Dj_AlTeK, isn't point2play commercial? even if you do download a pirated version you need a subscription for it to work
[01:41] <Zodiac> you mean in the about:config right?
[01:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats odd i typed in for the url for mozilla "about:config
[01:41] <likkashot> I went there
[01:41] <Funraiser> refuze2looze, i had to watch the "war of the worlds" trailer on windows because of that...
[01:41] <black-whisp> hey what tool do you use for changing the theme of gnome?
[01:41] <likkashot> but I want to change my menu bar
[01:42] <vinux> robertj, I hope to have a 64bit system by christmas
[01:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and changed the version number from 1.0 to 1.0.4
[01:42] <Funraiser> refuze2looze, no u don't
[01:42] <asadf> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=16761
[01:42] <asadf> zoom into the pic
[01:42] <PoopinClumpin> vinux, i have used a couple of other 64 bit linux distros and they were very fast. probably 20% faster overall on the dekstop. and maybe twice as fast when encoding an mp3 or something processor intensive
[01:42] <Zodiac> Do you know the specific preference that I am supposed to change?
[01:42] <asadf> I want my ubuntu desktop like that!
[01:43] <asadf> how do i do it!
[01:43] <thechitowncubs> asadf: gdesklets
[01:43] <vinux> PoopinClumpin, nice
[01:43] <asadf> u wanna step me throgh man
[01:43] <asadf> please chito
[01:43] <refuze2looze> Funraiser, you don't need a subscription? i admit i tried using it a while ago but it needed a subscription.. don't really remember exactly
[01:43] <thechitowncubs> its easy
[01:43] <asadf> pm me
[01:43] <thechitowncubs> google gdesklets
[01:43] <thechitowncubs> pm me
[01:43] <vinux> PoopinClumpin, hey you think a AMD 64bit 3000 would be ok for a desktop? I don't really run games anymore
[01:43] <etacidnys> hmm
[01:44] <PoopinClumpin> yeah vinux
[01:44] <Zodiac> Church of foam, do you know what preference it is?
[01:44] <PoopinClumpin> mine is a 3200
[01:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmmm...
[01:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> let me think
[01:44] <odie5533> how do I add a folder to the path?
[01:44] <Zodiac> ok
[01:44] <vinux> PoopinClumpin, yea I like speed :)
[01:45] <nalioth> vinux: any amd64 is ok for a desktop, shseeesh
[01:45] <asadf> dude
[01:45] <vinux> nalioth, hehe yea I figured
[01:45] <asadf> thaT DF -H THING did nothing
[01:45] <asadf> it came up with screen for like half a secon
[01:45] <asadf> d
[01:45] <asadf> then closed
[01:46] <PoopinClumpin> try lower case letters
[01:46] <asadf> i did
[01:46] <vinux> nalioth, I got a 1.5ghz P4 , 512ram PC800 right now
[01:46] <asadf> shall i try not to run it in a terminal
[01:47] <Zodiac> Any luck foamy>
[01:47] <Zodiac> ?
[01:47] <asadf> is thier another way to find out how much hdd space you have left?
[01:47] <Ed_Gein> hey
[01:47] <nalioth> vinux: better then waht i have (hardware speaking)
[01:47] <fus3> 90% me
[01:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok i have the info pm me and i'll give it too oyu
[01:48] <nalioth> asadf: "apt-get install discus"
[01:48] <nalioth> asadf: and then run it in a terminal
[01:48] <Zodiac> oh poop, how do I pm?
[01:48] <fus3> what's pm? o_o
[01:48] <refuze2looze> asadf, df -k
[01:48] <Ed_Gein> Question about x and ubuntu. I just had to send my 6800 gt off for an rma and replaced it with a 5700 ultra. Do I need to manualy  reconfigure x or will ubuntu take care of that for me?
[01:48] <vinux> I think I got only 6% full on hardrive space hehe and I got a 40gig
[01:49] <asadf> nothing happened
[01:49] <asadf> it shows a screen for like a split second then disspears
[01:49] <Xappe> Zodiac: /msg <nick> <message>
[01:49] <odie5533> How do I add to the path?
[01:49] <Ed_Gein> Zodiac: "/msg username message "
[01:50] <Ed_Gein> permanent menstrual syndrome
[01:50] <asadf> none of those work
[01:50] <refuze2looze> asadf, you have to run the command from a terminal...
[01:50] <fus3> ?
[01:50] <fus3> ^_^
[01:50] <refuze2looze> asadf, open a terminal and type df in there
[01:51] <Ed_Gein> Question about x and ubuntu. I just had to send my 6800 gt off for an rma and replaced it with a 5700 ultra. Do I need to manualy  reconfigure x or will ubuntu take care of that for me?
[01:51] <asadf> wow
[01:51] <asadf> a screen shwos up for like a second
[01:51] <asadf> then goes away
[01:51] <asadf> I type df in run application right?
[01:51] <refuze2looze> asadf, did you read what i told you? run the command in a terminal
[01:51] <Funraiser> damn the icetea is still warm
[01:51] <asadf> I did!
[01:51] <Ed_Gein> asadf: open a terminal
[01:51] <refuze2looze> asadf, no you didn't, you ran it from run application
[01:52] <nalioth> asadf: open a terminal (applicatons > system tools > terminal
[01:52] <asadf> ok
[01:52] <asadf> i agot amit@ubuntu $ w/e
[01:52] <asadf> then what
[01:52] <vinux> Ed_Gein, too be honest I only had that problem in Suse I think and it reconfigured it for me
[01:52] <kong0> aww man u got ice tea?
[01:53] <asadf> then what?
[01:53] <kong0> im so dmn thirsty....
[01:53] <GNULinuxer_> asadf> df -h
[01:53] <Funraiser> kong0, home-made
[01:53] <Ed_Gein> vinux: I'm afraid to boot into ubuntu. Don't want to screw anything up
[01:53] <kong0> suger and lemon?
[01:53] <quicoju> hi! i got trouble burning with cdrecord in my ubuntu i'm using kernel 2.6
[01:53] <asadf> ./dev/sdal
[01:54] <asadf> is that the one?
[01:54] <kong0> Funraiser..where do you live?
[01:54] <Funraiser> kong0, , 1 gallon of tea + sugar + fridge
[01:54] <sly> asdf
[01:54] <sly> sly@DarkStar:~$ df -h
[01:54] <sly> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[01:54] <sly> /dev/hdd1              37G  6.5G   28G  19% /
[01:54] <vinux> Ed_Gein, me personally I would reinstalled the nvidia drivers. In windows it reset it for me but it was using a driver that handled all the Geforce cards. Now if the linux one is the same then you have nothing to fear
[01:54] <sly> that simple
[01:54] <Funraiser> kong0, france
[01:54] <kong0> dmn to far away....im in sweden
[01:54] <GNULinuxer_> asadf> kya problem hain amit?
[01:54] <asadf> thanks guys
[01:54] <quicoju> has anyone heard about issues of cdrecord and kernel 2.6?
[01:54] <GNULinuxer_> quicoju> what issues?
[01:55] <Funraiser> did someone install the new kernel?
[01:55] <Ed_Gein> cdrecord has issues with everything
[01:55] <GNULinuxer_> quicoju> the technique is different
[01:55] <fus3> quicoju:  cdrecord + 2.6 = ok
[01:55] <quicoju> GNULinuxer_: how is it?
[01:55] <kong0> i reeeaaally gotta get ice tea into this house....
[01:55] <Ed_Gein> nero to the rescue
[01:55] <fus3> quicoju:  I am sure.
[01:55] <GNULinuxer_> quicoju> instead of 0,0,0,  you use /dev/hdc
[01:56] <asadf> what category would gdesklets be in on the package manager?
[01:56] <GNULinuxer_> asadf> just search
[01:56] <goldfish_> asadf: just do a search for it
[01:56] <Ed_Gein> lol
[01:56] <quicoju> GNULinuxer_: okay i'll try, thanx
[01:56] <GNULinuxer_> quicoju> np
[01:57] <Ed_Gein> Has anyone here tried Nero for inux yet?
[01:57] <Ed_Gein> linux*
[01:57] <GNULinuxer_> Ed_Gein> it's non-free
[01:57] <Ed_Gein> I know
[01:57] <vinux> Disk usage(QUANTUM FIREBALLP AS40.0): 2.0/35.3 GB (6%) <---- This is what i'm using right now
[01:57] <Ed_Gein> that wasn't the question
[01:57] <Funraiser> Ed_Gein, i did
[01:57] <GNULinuxer_> Ed_Gein> we don't use non free sw
[01:57] <Ed_Gein> Funraiser: What did you htink?
[01:57] <fus3> nero for linux ( It must be free)
[01:58] <Funraiser> I found that i could only burn on cd-rw not on cd-r for some reason...
[01:58] <GNULinuxer_> fus3> it's now
[01:58] <Ed_Gein> hmmm
[01:58] <fus3> + GPL
[01:58] <PoopinClumpin> Ed_Gein, i have tried the nero linux and it's ok. but i prefer cdrecord
[01:58] <Funraiser> Ed_Gein, so i'm using k3b unless i need to convert mp3s
[01:58] <GNULinuxer_> fus3> you can download it if and only if you have a valid license for the win version
[01:58] <Sly> i had a similer prob with k3b.. would only burn +r dvdr not -r
[01:58] <asadf> i marked them for installation
[01:58] <asadf> now what
[01:58] <GNULinuxer_> asadf> apply
[01:58] <quicoju> great it's working! thank you
[01:58] <Ed_Gein> apply
[01:59] <GNULinuxer_> quicoju> buy me a beer
[01:59] <Ed_Gein> mmmm beer
[01:59] <Ed_Gein> thats a grand idea
[01:59] <fus3> nero non-free -> GPL for linux -> oss's nero -> nero abandon
[01:59] <Sly> ^ lmao
[01:59] <GNULinuxer_> Ed_Gein> yep ... guinnes
[01:59] <fus3> ^_^
[01:59] <Ed_Gein> mmmmm
[01:59] <quicoju> GNULinuxer_: you got it man!
[02:00] <GNULinuxer_> quicoju> FedEx it to me
[02:00] <Ed_Gein> Sweetwater Exodus Porter here
[02:00] <GNULinuxer_> quicoju> forget the beer ... even if you mail me a letter i will be happy :)
[02:00] <mdipi> Hey guys, can anyone know how I can mount my OSX partition into ubuntu?
[02:00] <quicoju> i heard that i don't need de scsi simulation in kernel 2.6 but when i run xcdroast it says that i need it.
[02:00] <Zodiac> Guys, my flash player does not play sound... what is the dilly>
[02:00] <mdipi> *tell me how
[02:00] <quicoju> how is that?
[02:01] <fus3> quicoju:  yes
[02:01] <GNULinuxer_> quicoju> it's really not needed in 2.6
[02:01] <Ed_Gein> mdipi: did you check ubuntuguide.org?
[02:01] <asadf> ok now how do i load the program/ or where would i find it?
[02:01] <mdipi> Ed_Gein, nope, I'll look there now, i didnt even know that site, thanks for the tip =D
[02:01] <GNULinuxer_> asadf> do you understand hindi?
[02:01] <nalioth> mdipi: you should ask me
[02:01] <fus3> quicoju:  it works
[02:01] <asadf> no
[02:01] <asadf> im indian though....
[02:01] <Funraiser> mdipi, it's not on ubuntuguide
[02:01] <GNULinuxer_> asadf> good
[02:01] <Ed_Gein> mdipi:ubunutguide is the bible
[02:02] <Funraiser> mdipi, what's the filesystem?
[02:02] <GNULinuxer_> asadf> that's great ... you are an ABCD
[02:02] <Ed_Gein> sorry
[02:02] <asadf> LOL
[02:02] <asadf> you gotta be kidding me
[02:02] <asadf> lol
[02:02] <asadf> aneways
[02:02] <GNULinuxer_> asadf> why?
[02:02] <quicoju> fus3: but why does xcdroast tells i need the scsi simulatoin?
[02:02] <asadf> how do i find or load the program i jsut installed
[02:02] <fus3> quicoju:  mine is ok
[02:02] <Ed_Gein> what program?
[02:02] <GNULinuxer_> asadf> you are an indian and don't understand hindi?
[02:02] <fus3> quicoju:  atapi cd-rw
[02:02] <asadf> gdeskletsa
[02:03] <asadf> gdesklets
[02:03] <GNULinuxer_> asadf> start panel > accessories
[02:03] <fus3> quicoju:  no problem
[02:03] <quicoju> fus3: yes
[02:03] <GNULinuxer_> asadf> applications > accesories
[02:03] <nalioth> Ed_Gein: bite your tongue Ed_Gein> mdipi:ubunutguide is the bible  <<<that is patently false
[02:03] <GNULinuxer_> nalioth> true
[02:03] <fus3> quicoju:  you must be something wrong
[02:03] <GNULinuxer_> nalioth> that book is a farce
[02:04] <odie5533> What packages are being added for Breezy?
[02:04] <Ed_Gein> nalioth: why do you say that? THere is a plethora of information there
[02:04] <GNULinuxer_> odie5533> loads
[02:04] <quicoju> fus3: with the xcdroast config?
[02:04] <odie5533> Is there a list?
[02:04] <GNULinuxer_> Funraiser> may be ... but it misleads you
[02:04] <fus3> quicoju:  no
[02:04] <odie5533> Warty and Hoary are fairly packageless as I see it
[02:04] <GNULinuxer_> quicoju> use nautilus cd burner
[02:04] <fus3> quicoju:  no config
[02:04] <nalioth> Ed_Gein: and quite a lot of it is dead wrong
[02:04] <fus3> quicoju:  it just works
[02:04] <Funraiser> GNULinuxer_, misleads in what way?
[02:04] <quicoju> fus3: is it better?
[02:05] <GNULinuxer_> Funraiser> wrong info
[02:05] <fus3> quicoju:  what?
[02:05] <Ed_Gein> nalioth: I've never had a problem wiht any of the info found there
[02:05] <nalioth> Ed_Gein: then you are very luck
[02:05] <nalioth> y
[02:05] <GNULinuxer_> Funraiser> tells n00bs to use backports by default ... that's wrong
[02:05] <quicoju> fus3: nautilus interfase than xcdroast?
[02:05] <fus3> quicoju:  I have no problem in cdrecord ...
[02:05] <Ed_Gein> nalioth: better to be lucky than good
[02:05] <Ed_Gein> lol
[02:06] <fus3> quicoju:  cdroast ...ummm...bad bad bad
[02:06] <apprentice> is ubuntu nice?
[02:06] <GNULinuxer_> apprentice> it rocks!
[02:06] <apprentice> how old are you?
[02:06] <Ed_Gein> apprentice: it won't yell at you if thats what you mean
[02:06] <Funraiser> i think Ubuntu would not have gone that far without that guide, there might be mistakes but it's very useful for noobs IMHO
[02:06] <GNULinuxer_> apprentice> me?
[02:06] <apprentice> yeah
[02:06] <GNULinuxer_> apprentice> 21
[02:06] <fus3> apprentice:  ur +1
[02:07] <apprentice> im 17
[02:07] <sly> wow cool
[02:07] <GNULinuxer_> apprentice> why?
[02:07] <asadf> the damn weather one is mseed up
[02:07] <GNULinuxer_> apprentice> so?
[02:07] <asadf> it just shows a damn bar
[02:07] <quicoju> fus3: okay, i'll try the nautilus's burner, thanx
[02:07] <apprentice> ok GNULinuxer_: depending on your age i would try ubuntu or not
[02:07] <sly> i just tryed playing gta2 with cedega and i had to restart x to do anything
[02:07] <sly> coolw or what
[02:07] <GNULinuxer_> apprentice> lol
[02:07] <fus3> apprentice:  .... no thanks...
[02:07] <apprentice> the 70s punk collection?
[02:07] <GNULinuxer_> apprentice> i have 8 years experience in GNU/Linux
[02:07] <asadf> the gdesklets weather one doesnt display anything?
[02:07] <fus3> ?
[02:08] <GNULinuxer_> asadf> i can help you ... but won't
[02:08] <asadf> ok..
[02:08] <apprentice> ok i might try ubuntu
[02:08] <asadf> this is a help channel
[02:08] <viktor> hi.. can anyone help me with nfs? i have set up a nfs server on my other comp.. but when i try to mount it i get a permission denied on my local machine
[02:08] <apprentice> is it good with usb?
[02:08] <Ed_Gein> asadf: you probably have to read the directions
[02:08] <GNULinuxer_> apprentice> what usb device?
[02:08] <viktor> mount: <IP_ADDRESS>:/ failed, reason given by server: tkomst nekas
[02:08] <asadf> thier aren any
[02:08] <apprentice> a web cam
[02:08] <GNULinuxer_> apprentice> sidewinder?
[02:08] <PoopinClumpin> there are no hand holding channels, but there are help channels
[02:08] <asadf> its just a damn bar
[02:08] <Funraiser> viktor, what guide did u follow for nfs?
[02:08] <GNULinuxer_> apprentice> flaky ... depends on the cam ... not the usb
[02:09] <GNULinuxer_> asadf> do some research
[02:09] <Ed_Gein> http://gdesklets.free.fr/board/
[02:09] <viktor> Funraiser, the one on their home
[02:09] <viktor> nfs.sourceforge.net
[02:09] <GNULinuxer_> Ed_Gein> asadf's problem is very trivial
[02:09] <viktor> homepage even
[02:09] <abbas> ./join debian.tr
[02:09] <Ed_Gein> GNULinuxer_: I know
[02:10] <GNULinuxer_> Ed_Gein> i don't understand why guys don't research ... they just want answers
[02:10] <PoopinClumpin> umm lazy
[02:10] <nalioth> the lazy sometimes become trollbait
[02:10] <Ed_Gein> he knows how to open a term now and use synaptic. That's a reasonable starting point
[02:10] <dicrapio> anyone here by any chance has a similar setup to this? laptop with pcmcia firewire card with an ipod connected through it
[02:10] <abbas> how can  root
[02:10] <GNULinuxer_> Ed_Gein> it's 05:40 here ... am i sitting here with sleepy eyes to answer idiotic q's?
[02:10] <abbas> paswwd error
[02:10] <Funraiser> viktor, how did u edit /etc/exports ?
[02:10] <exjinn> abbas sudo = root
[02:11] <viktor> Funraiser, yes.. and i edited hosts.deny and .allow
[02:11] <PoopinClumpin> dicrapio, my girlfriend uses that setup
[02:11] <Ed_Gein> GNULinuxer_Absolutely not
[02:11] <viktor> i have ALL:<myip> in allow and ALL:ALL in deny
[02:11] <abbas> yes i know bot it doesn't
[02:11] <abbas> yes i know but it doesn't
[02:11] <Ed_Gein> Although you have never helped me personally your dedication is greatly appreciated
[02:11] <exjinn> same password as your regular user
[02:11] <dicrapio> PoopinClumpin: do u know by any chance if the ipod recharges when she plugs it in or not?
[02:11] <Funraiser> viktor, are u sure about the IPs?
[02:11] <GNULinuxer_> dicrapio> it does
[02:12] <PoopinClumpin> dicrapio, only if its plugged in to power supply
[02:12] <viktor> Funraiser, yeah.. :P
[02:12] <Funraiser> viktor, the server is 2?
[02:12] <viktor> the server is 0.1
[02:12] <juxhi> how do i edit grub entris? what file shold i edit?
[02:12] <nalioth> !root
[02:12] <ubotu> [root]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:12] <asadf> ok i read
[02:12] <dicrapio> and is on a non-apple laptop?
[02:12] <Funraiser> viktor, and yours is 01?
[02:12] <asadf> peeople are getting displays and im not getting anething
[02:12] <exjinn> nalioth, neat trick :)
[02:12] <PoopinClumpin> i dont believe it charges thru the pcmcia adaptor
[02:12] <viktor> no mine is 0.2
[02:13] <Ed_Gein> asadf: did you check the link I posted?
[02:13] <Funraiser> viktor, what do u get with  rpcinfo -p ?
[02:13] <asadf> yes
[02:13] <dicrapio> hmm, cause when i plug mine it doesnt charge it actually uses the battery to keep it on, so im guessing isbecause is connected through pcmcia and not a port directly on the motherboard
[02:13] <apprentice> GNULinuxer_: so do i go with ubuntu
[02:13] <apprentice> cause i use slack now
[02:13] <asadf> do i have dl the candy display things?
[02:14] <GNULinuxer_> apprentice> try the livecd first
[02:14] <viktor> Funraiser, lots of stuff.. the things thats suposed to be on :)
[02:14] <vinux> apprentice, slackware is nice
[02:14] <GNULinuxer_> apprentice> then stick to slack
[02:14] <apprentice> u think?
[02:14] <GNULinuxer_> apprentice> does you web cam work on slack?
[02:14] <Ed_Gein> asadf: read man read Noone is going to hold your hand
[02:14] <Funraiser> viktor, did u type the line to auto mount on startup?
[02:14] <GNULinuxer_> apprentice> if it does, then 100% it will work on Ubuntu
[02:15] <viktor> Funraiser, nope
[02:15] <vinux> apprentice, I used slackware for a few years but now that's ubuntu is out I don't really see myself going back to slackware.
[02:15] <Sly> apprentce ..... if your happy the way slack installs things & everything works good why would u want to switch to ubuntu
[02:15] <apprentice> cause im bored
[02:15] <nalioth> apprentice: bored? install windoze
[02:15] <apprentice> i am on win right now
[02:15] <viktor> Funraiser, is writing ALL: <IP_ADDRESS> in allow and ALL:ALL in .deny the right way to do it?
[02:15] <GNULinuxer_> vinux> everybody has his own reasons of sticking to a stupid distro
[02:16] <Funraiser> viktor, no
[02:16] <Funraiser> lol
[02:16] <GNULinuxer_> apprentice> doesn your webcam work on slack?
[02:16] <Funraiser> hold on
[02:16] <apprentice> havent really tried
[02:16] <GNULinuxer_> apprentice> ans. my q
[02:16] <viktor> Funraiser, ok.. i read somewhere that it FIRST check allow.. and if it's not in allow it check deny.. and if it's in none it allow anyway
[02:16] <GNULinuxer_> apprentice> hah
[02:16] <brodmann> how do you become the owner of a folder
[02:16] <GNULinuxer_> apprentice> which make is it?
[02:16] <brodmann> i'm trying to delete a file
[02:16] <GNULinuxer_> brodmann> chown
[02:17] <viktor> brodmann, chown user:group /hi/hello
[02:17] <asadf> god
[02:17] <vinux> GNULinuxer_, lol well I don't think it was stupid but ubuntu has apt-get and seems to be stable from what I can see. So why build form source when you can apt-get :)
[02:17] <thenuke> brodmann: chown brodman:brodman folder
[02:17] <Ed_Gein> sudo rm -rf blah blah blah
[02:17] <GNULinuxer_> vinux> true
[02:17] <Funraiser> viktor, it's ok that way
[02:17] <GNULinuxer_> asadf> you want your solution?
[02:18] <dicrapio> k so is not the card
[02:18] <asadf> please
[02:18] <viktor> Funraiser, ok.. wonder whats wrong then :(
[02:18] <Ed_Gein> GNULinuxer_: do't give in
[02:18] <apprentice> im dont care im jjstu bored
[02:18] <Sly> got bored ?
[02:18] <Ed_Gein> don't give in*
[02:18] <Funraiser> viktor, did u reboot?
[02:18] <viktor> no.. why would i reboot? :P
[02:18] <GNULinuxer_> Ed_Gein> i am trying to get rid of him
[02:18] <Ed_Gein> lol
[02:19] <anne> hello..can someone help me please???!!!!!!!  i am desperate!
[02:19] <GNULinuxer_> Ed_Gein> i am helping him privately
[02:19] <GNULinuxer_> anne> asl?
[02:19] <Funraiser> viktor, well i've seen it working after a reboot, even though it's not the linux way to make an app work lol
[02:19] <Sly> how can you get bored?
[02:19] <brodmann> thx
[02:19] <anne> all i need is to know how to get cups back on my comp so i can print from hp...
[02:19] <viktor> Funraiser, ok :P
[02:19] <anne> asl?
[02:19] <GNULinuxer_> anne> age/sex/location?
[02:19] <Funraiser> lol
[02:19] <Ed_Gein> lol
[02:19] <Sly> lmao
[02:19] <anne> hmmm...
[02:19] <GNULinuxer_> lol
[02:19] <nalioth> anne: american sign language?
[02:20] <anne> sure--i am up afor anything
[02:20] <GNULinuxer_> anne> a/s/l?
[02:20] <exjinn> wow. people still do that entering a chan?
[02:20] <Funraiser> lol
[02:20] <anne> i have an important paper due by tomorrow and all of a sudden my printer does not work--does not recognize "cups"
[02:20] <brodmann> do you know of a cmd line that will give me permission over all the folders and files
[02:21] <Kyral> We know ASL
[02:21] <anne> you really want to know my sex/age/location? or are you kidding?
[02:21] <GNULinuxer_> anne> do you mean the A,B,C cups?
[02:21] <anne> hahaha
[02:21] <Funraiser> anne, between two ubuntus or between an ubuntu and a windows machine?
[02:21] <Sly> 18 . m . uk .. please explain why cedega likes shoving a pole up my a**
[02:21] <Kyral> American Sign Language
[02:21] <Sly> :P
[02:21] <Funraiser> lol
[02:21] <anne> ohhh--sorry--kubuntu
[02:21] <Kyral> which game?
[02:21] <vinux> GNULinuxer_, the main reason why I like slackware is because the distros that were out thier pkgs just did work on my system. Slackware at the time was stable, fast and just worked! But now that ubuntu is around. Slackware well is just basically a Dinosaur!
[02:21] <Ed_Gein> anne: cups is probably already installed. Most likely you need to install the right drivers linuxprinting.org will help determine which ones you need then apt-get should take care of the rest
[02:21] <anne> and no--just kubunutn
[02:22] <Kyral> 'cause BF1942 is fsckin me in the arse
[02:22] <anne> your are wonderful!!!!!1 brb
[02:22] <Xappe> 25/rarely/~ 18 cm
[02:22] <GNULinuxer_> vinux> yeah, but ubuntu is debian == god
[02:22] <Ed_Gein> Kyral: that box fits?
[02:22] <Ed_Gein> that's got to hurt
[02:22] <Sly> gta2 at moment i got bored and wanted a little game
[02:22] <Kyral> lol
[02:22] <Sly> it just dies and sits at a black screen till i restart x
[02:22] <vinux> GNULinuxer_, well ubuntu I see it as the easier side of debian :)
[02:23] <Kyral> I cannot install the fscker (can we sat f*ck) in here?
[02:23] <Kyral> but Jedi Academy works great :D
[02:23] <Sly> lol
[02:23] <GNULinuxer_> vinux> no doubt ... but damn, it doesn't recognize 'cups' !
[02:23] <Ed_Gein> jedi academy blows
[02:23] <Ed_Gein> the ai is awful
[02:24] <Sly> the only other proper disk i got here is sim city 4
[02:24] <Ed_Gein> stupid troopers walk off ledges
[02:24] <Kyral> download and install the All Enemy Sabers patch
[02:24] <GNULinuxer_> Ed_Gein> the worst AI was james bond
[02:24] <Ed_Gein> never tried it
[02:24] <vinux> GNULinuxer_, really hmmm let me see hmmm let me try to configure my printer real quick hehe I forgot to do it hehe. Last time it took like 2 min to set it up in ubuntu :)
[02:24] <Kyral> I got wtfowned on Normal
[02:24] <GNULinuxer_> Ed_Gein> you could walk past the enemy
[02:24] <Ed_Gein> lol
[02:24] <GNULinuxer_> Ed_Gein> and finish the game without any kill
[02:24] <Ed_Gein> splinter cell without the shadows
[02:25] <Ed_Gein> or should I say sneaking
[02:25] <Kyral> all enemies have LS, and the Stormie Captains are SwampTroopers with Level 2 Force
[02:25] <Kyral> when you are still in the first Tier
[02:25] <vinux> GNULinuxer_, ok it's done :)
[02:25] <vinux> GNULinuxer_, i'm using cups too
[02:25] <GNULinuxer_> vinux> kool ... so which cup is it ? i love B+
[02:26] <apprentice> i love JB
[02:26] <apprentice> im a big james bond fan
[02:26] <Kyral> Goldeneye was the MP game until Halo came around
[02:26] <GNULinuxer_> apprentice> yeah kiddo
[02:26] <Kyral> even now Goldeneye rocks
[02:26] <apprentice> i love goldeneye
[02:26] <vinux> GNULinuxer_, hmm let me see
[02:27] <GNULinuxer_> okay ... guys ... we are severely OT here .... let's talk about CUPS
[02:27] <Funraiser> i don't think anything is best than splinter cell for that kind of games
[02:27] <Kyral> sorry
[02:27] <GNULinuxer_> how do you config cups in ubuntu?
[02:27] <Funraiser> i didn't have to config it to share a printer between two ubuntus...
[02:28] <Dj_AlTeK> ne1 here know how to download winetools throu8gh SPM?
[02:28] <GNULinuxer_> Funraiser> then?
[02:28] <Funraiser> (?)
[02:28] <GNULinuxer_> where is anne ?
[02:28] <Funraiser> miss her already?
[02:28] <GNULinuxer_> Funraiser> yeah ... alot
[02:28] <Sly> anyone tryed san andreas thru cedega yet ?
[02:28] <GNULinuxer_> Funraiser> even female sounding names are rare on a GNU/Linux chan
[02:29] <vinux> GNULinuxer_, It says 1.1.23 1ubuntu12 whatever that means hehe
[02:29] <Kyral> Anyone try Battlefield 2 through Cedega yet?
[02:29] <Kyral> or even the Demo?
[02:29] <Tm_T> hullo folks
[02:29] <GNULinuxer_> viktor> ahh ...
[02:29] <GNULinuxer_> guys ... do you want Ubuntu pr0n ?
[02:29] <Kyral> You mean the old wallpapers/splash screens?
[02:29] <Sly> its 1:30am im bored as sh** so im gonna try roller coaster tycoon 3 in cedega i can play that for hours
[02:30] <Kyral> It works?
[02:30] <GNULinuxer_> Kyral> not the old ones
[02:30] <GNULinuxer_> Kyral> new stuff
[02:30] <Tm_T> err, is there support for squashfs?
[02:30] <Kyral> SCORE! I have it pirated >_> <_<
[02:30] <Funraiser> san andreas is GTA III?
[02:30] <nalioth> GNULinuxer_: ubuntu pR0n?
[02:30] <GNULinuxer_> nalioth> yes
[02:30] <Kyral> You know you are a geek when....
[02:30] <Tm_T> Funraiser: no
[02:30] <Sly> Funraiser next one after vice city
[02:31] <HrdwrBoB> Funraiser: GTA III, then Vice city, then san andreas
[02:31] <Kyral> Cedega/P2P installs onto your /home, right?
[02:32] <Tm_T> ~/Trasngaming_Drive/ ?
[02:32] <Tm_T> -typo
[02:32] <nalioth> GNULinuxer_: so please share with us.. .. .. ..
[02:32] <Kyral> score...I only have 14 GB left on / :P
[02:32] <exjinn> i haven't even seen the old stuff
[02:32] <GNULinuxer_> nalioth> sure
[02:32] <Kyral> and 250 GB on /home :P
[02:32] <Sly> install of roller tycoon 3 lookin good so far
[02:32] <Kyral> SHARE! SHARE!
[02:33] <Funraiser> Kyral, i think u can install it in /home
[02:33] <Funraiser> don't remember well though
[02:33] <vinux> Kyral, I got like 2gig on my 35gig hard drive taken up hehe
[02:33] <GNULinuxer_> nalioth> nothing sort of  porn really ... just a few nude wallpapers
[02:33] <GNULinuxer_> http://freemind.in/pub/ubuntu-porn/
[02:33] <ttyS1> hello all. i have a question. is it any clone of flashget for ubuntu?
[02:33] <GNULinuxer_> ttyS1> flashgot
[02:34] <Funraiser> for the games that work on linux check http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Games&from=Need+For+Speed%3A+High+Stakes
[02:34] <vinux> ttyS1, what's flashgot?
[02:34] <GNULinuxer_> vinux> a firefox extension
[02:34] <Tm_T> GNULinuxer_: yuuuk, nudity ;p
[02:34] <vinux> GNULinuxer_, oh ok
[02:34] <ttyS1> ty
[02:34] <nalioth> GNULinuxer_: you mean the ubuntu calendar package?
[02:34] <Funraiser> looks line anne ?/?/? fixed her problem
[02:35] <Dj_AlTeK> hey ne1 here know how to use/install wine and winetools
[02:35] <GNULinuxer_> nalioth> yeah
[02:35] <GNULinuxer_> nalioth> you have all of them?
[02:35] <Funraiser> Dj_AlTeK, just use synaptic
[02:35] <GNULinuxer_> nalioth> i just have a few
[02:35] <nalioth> GNULinuxer_: gaaa! thought you had some ubuntu fan made wallpapers
[02:35] <GNULinuxer_> nalioth> nope
[02:35] <Tm_T> so there's no support for squashfs then :/
[02:35] <nalioth> GNULinuxer_: i have what has come down from the great and wise apt
[02:36] <GNULinuxer_> nalioth> what's the pacakge?
[02:36] <nalioth> ubuntu-calendar something
[02:36] <Dj_AlTeK> funraiser: i did but now i just need to install winetool's
[02:36] <Funraiser> Dj_AlTeK, and then when u hava a .exe right click and choose, open with wine (for example: grabit)
[02:36] <GNULinuxer_> nalioth> aha
[02:36] <Dj_AlTeK> ah ok
[02:36] <GNULinuxer_> UBUNTU IS GREAT! YOU CAN APT-GET INSTALL PR0N
[02:36] <exjinn> lol
[02:36] <Funraiser> Dj_AlTeK, wine tools is there too (synaptic)
[02:37] <Razor-X> hmmmm, it seems screen supports native emacs commands
[02:37] <coolkev> What do i need to know or do tog et Wine installed and workign on my Ubuntu
[02:37] <coolkev> get*
[02:37] <Razor-X> nice, now I don't have to keep using arrow keys in my stuff
[02:37] <Funraiser> coolkev, just go to synatic and install it
[02:38] <unome> Guys is there an open source swish progy I can use under Ubuntu for flash?
[02:38] <Funraiser> anne left!
[02:38] <coolkev> i want to install and play some old win 95/98 games and i heard wine is good for those small games like Duke Nukem
[02:38] <Razor-X> coolkev: Duke Nukem was a DOS game
[02:38] <juxhi> how do i mount an lv partition under ubuntu?
[02:38] <Razor-X> juxhi: lv? you mean using lvm?
[02:39] <Sly> E: Couldn't find package PRON
[02:39] <Sly>   :( :(
[02:39] <juxhi> lvm
[02:39] <Sly> :P
[02:39] <Funraiser> the games that work on linux http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Category:Games
[02:39] <coolkev> Funraiser if i install it from synaptic it'll work perfect as it should and also, is the latest version there?
[02:39] <Funraiser> it will work
[02:39] <GNULinuxer_> see guys ... we will only help others in solving problems ... WE WON'T SOLVE THE PROBLEMS, they should try too
[02:39] <Dj_AlTeK> Funraiser: i have wine and when i download and save the steam installer, it says open with other application but wine isnt in the list
[02:39] <juxhi> Razor-X i meant lvm
[02:39] <GNULinuxer_> Sly> ubuntu-calendar
[02:40] <Razor-X> juxhi: ahhh, not familiar with the notation for lvm, but, I believe i've read an article on that
[02:40] <Sly> your kidding me right
[02:40] <Sly> lol
[02:40] <exjinn> ugh.
[02:40] <coolkev> Is cedega free and will it let me play some old games.. my video card is only 32 Mb so i wanna play old games like Need For speed Hot Pursuit 1
[02:40] <Razor-X> coolkev: why matter? DOS games work better in DOSemu, or DOSbox
[02:40] <exjinn> anyone have a mail client that doesn't suck
[02:40] <GNULinuxer_> coolkev> no. it's not free
[02:40] <Razor-X> WINE is better for Windows applications
[02:40] <exjinn> okay well at least does threaded viewing
[02:41] <coolkev> ok
[02:41] <Razor-X> coolkev: CVS is free, or so I here, but it doesen't play old games
[02:41] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> nfs is not a DOS game
[02:41] <vinux> Sly, I found pornview. Hmmm wonder what I could view with that pkg
[02:41] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: nfs?
[02:41] <Sly> damn i might try that theme hospital under them two things you just said
[02:41] <coolkev> need for speed
[02:41] <Razor-X> offf
[02:41] <coolkev> the third one
[02:41] <Razor-X> never say that in a Linux channel
[02:41] <Razor-X> NFS == Network File System
[02:42] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> need for speed
[02:42] <Razor-X> i'm pretty sure WINE can play NFS III (Hot Pursuit, IIRC ;), but i'm not 100% sure on that
[02:42] <HrdwrBoB> I wouldn't say 'never'
[02:42] <HrdwrBoB> i know about NFS and NFS, and I can identify their use by context :)
[02:42] <goldfish_> lol#
[02:42] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: I can't ;)
[02:43] <stevenj> If I wanted to over right the gaim folder in /usr/share/pixmaps/gaim (how would I?) or is there an easier way to use an alternate gaim icon set (not smilies) thanks!
[02:43] <Razor-X> I know about Need For Speed, but I instinctively think of Network File System
[02:43] <ChinaCatJones> I am trying to get an ancient laptop up and running with ubuntu for kicks, i hardwired an IP into to get setup to go, it didn't find the card, now I need to set it back to dhcp, what file do I need to touch?
[02:43] <vinux> GNULinuxer_, hey I didn't find pron with synaptic but I did fine pornview. Hmmm I wonder what I could use it for :P
[02:43] <Funraiser> Need For Speed 3: Hot Pursuit Works, but needs special configuration
[02:43] <Razor-X> stevenj: overwrite, and, i'm pretty sure GAIM can manage smilies sets
[02:43] <nalioth> vinux: it'll tell you in the pkginfo
[02:44] <vinux> oh ok let me see
[02:44] <Razor-X> now, don't make me get stuck in this channel helping!
[02:44] <Razor-X> I have homework, and a self-given project
[02:44] <ChinaCatJones> btw, X is puking too, so I am at a prompt
[02:44] <Funraiser> ChinaCatJones, no files just system/administration/network
[02:44] <stevenj> Razor-X, I am not talking about smiles but an entire gaim icon replacement (http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22348) thanks!
[02:44] <Razor-X> I'm gonna distill all of Algebra II into one LaTeX document, so that I can show myself, and classmates that Algebra II is like a walk-in-the-park
[02:45] <Razor-X> stevenj: hold up, lemme take a read
[02:45] <Ghetek> i always get tons of errors in my terminal. what can i do to just reinstall all applications safely?
[02:45] <coolkev> stevenj: try #Gaim
[02:45] <Dj_AlTeK> hey i got steam running on my computer but i dunno where i can find the .exe
[02:45] <stevenj> Razor-X, thanks-the icons look better better than the original :)
[02:45] <GNULinuxer_> vinux> do  you know what mozilla's image rendering library is called?
[02:45] <Razor-X> ChinaCatJones: I suggest 'sudo apt-get install twin' to have some of X's niceties
[02:46] <Razor-X> in a console, that is
[02:46] <stevenj> coolkev, this is more of a basic linux question coolkev...how to overright something..thanks
[02:46] <kvidell> I'm fairly certain replacing the application icons in gaim requires a recompile.
[02:46] <GNULinuxer_> can anybody tell me what mozilla's image rendering library is called?
[02:46] <vinux> nalioth, It told me in pkginfo that If was reading it I'm too young to download it. lol jk
[02:46] <vinux> GNULinuxer_, nope no idea
[02:46] <GNULinuxer_> kvidell> nope, you just change the theme
[02:46] <nalioth> vinux: well, its made for one-handed manipulation (from pkginfo)
[02:46] <davidmccabe> hey folks.
[02:46] <kvidell> GNULinuxer_: Not for copmletely custom icons
[02:46] <vinux> nalioth, LMAO
[02:46] <ChinaCatJones> Funraiser: that command was from the console?
[02:46] <kvidell> that's for smiley themes
[02:46] <GNULinuxer_> vinux> you won't believe if i tell you
[02:47] <davidmccabe> Can I make it so that when I install a package that has a corrisponding -dev package, the -dev package gets installed as well?
[02:47] <kvidell> we're talking changing the aim and msn icons, etc, I think
[02:47] <GNULinuxer_> kvidell> which icons?
[02:47] <vinux> GNULinuxer_, tell me
[02:47] <Razor-X> uggghhh, Algebra II is so boring
[02:47] <GNULinuxer_> vinux> libpr0n
[02:47] <Razor-X> but, our teacher makes it interesting, with cool stuff
[02:47] <Funraiser> ChinaCatJones,  this one yes: sudo apt-get install twin
[02:47] <Razor-X> like proving that 0/0 is indeterminate
[02:47] <stevenj> I am taking cal III this summer
[02:47] <davidmccabe> Razor-X: *learn it* or you'll regret it.
[02:47] <vinux> GNULinuxer_, lol
[02:47] <davidmccabe> Razor-X: :)
[02:47] <Razor-X> davidmccabe: I already know all the stuff in this course ;)
[02:47] <GNULinuxer_> vinux> because they think the lib will ultimately render only pr0n
[02:47] <Razor-X> hoping to be a Pure Math major
[02:47] <davidmccabe> Razor-X: oh, then it sucks to be you, big time.
[02:47] <Razor-X> my school won't let me go ahead, even though i'm at Calculus level
[02:48] <GNULinuxer_> vinux> and the second reason is ... imglib2 is so boring
[02:48] <Razor-X> i'm gonna do it, and take the AP test mid-next-school-year
[02:48] <etacidnys> Razor-X: ever go in #math ?
[02:48] <davidmccabe> Razor-X: some states have a program where you can attend a local community college and get high school credits.
[02:48] <Razor-X> taking Algebra II over summer, and it's _boring_
[02:48] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> how old are you?
[02:48] <Razor-X> etacidnys: they're a real helpful bunch, they were helping me learn some elementary Calculus concepts
[02:48] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: 15
[02:48] <stevenj> Razor-X, get a TI 89 does alot of the simple stuff for you ;)
[02:48] <etacidnys> Razor-X: nice
[02:48] <davidmccabe> Razor-X: awesome that you're ahead in math though.
[02:48] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> not old enough for the razor?
[02:49] <davidmccabe> Razor-X: sorry to hear your school sucks so much.
[02:49] <Razor-X> stevenj: using Maxima at the moment, awesome awesome thing
[02:49] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: as someone already said, yes i'm too young for the Razor ;)
[02:49] <Ghetek> !mount
[02:49] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Ghetek
[02:49] <Ghetek> !iso
[02:49] <ubotu> Ghetek: Are you smoking crack?
[02:49] <ChinaCatJones> funraiser: the issue is that I don't have a good IP connection, so apt is no good for the moment
[02:49] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> lol
[02:49] <Razor-X> davidmccabe: they don't have an assessment to show that I know stuff
[02:49] <fus3> what's Razor?
[02:49] <Ghetek> anybody remember the mount iso command?
[02:49] <GNULinuxer_> Ghetek> yes
[02:49] <Ghetek> wanna share?
[02:49] <kvidell> loopback!
[02:49] <Razor-X> you have to have the damned prerequisite courses
[02:49] <GNULinuxer_> Ghetek> will you gimme a beer?
[02:49] <kvidell> loopbackloopback!
[02:49] <kvidell> o.o;
[02:50] <Funraiser> lol
[02:50] <Ghetek> um... a digital irc one
[02:50] <fus3> what's warez?
[02:50] <Razor-X> Matricies *yawn* Logarithms *yawn* Factorials *yawn*
[02:50] <brodmann> hey, how do i gain ownership of all the files under Filesystem?
[02:50] <GNULinuxer_> Ghetek> mount file.iso /mnt/cdrom -o loop
[02:50] <Funraiser> fus3, it's softwarez...
[02:50] <Razor-X> on the assessment at the community college, I placed in Calculus level ;)
[02:50] <GNULinuxer_> Ghetek> now give
[02:50] <Ghetek> i did!
[02:50] <davidmccabe> Razor-X: say!
[02:50] <Ghetek> "* Ghetek gives the channel a round"
[02:50] <GNULinuxer_> Ghetek> aha
[02:50] <fus3> what's 0-day?
[02:50] <stevenj> is anyone using this Alternate GAIM icon set  ref: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22348
[02:50] <fus3> what's dood?
[02:50] <nalioth> fus3: just fell off the turnip truck
[02:50] <Funraiser> big bang?
[02:50] <GNULinuxer_> Ghetek> but it tasted like horse piss
[02:50] <Razor-X> and so, i'm gonna condense the damn course into a document
[02:50] <PoopinClumpin> 0-day is today
[02:50] <vinux> I think they need a compression program that will compress a 1mb file into 1kb :)
[02:51] <Xappe> i hate gaim, so I don'r use it at all
[02:51] <kvidell> brodmann: you want your user to "own" everything? That's not a good idea :)
[02:51] <fus3> oh oh oh
[02:51] <kvidell> you can use sudo to manipulate individual files.
[02:51] <GNULinuxer_> I use GNU Emacs
[02:51] <Razor-X> holy crap!
[02:51] <Funraiser> fus3, ain't we funny?
[02:51] <Razor-X> I just realized, I binded something to C-n in BitchX
[02:51] <brodmann> kvidell: well it's just me
[02:51] <Razor-X> oh, the HORROR!!!
[02:51] <kvidell> doesn't matter
[02:51] <fus3> umm,snaky
[02:51] <GNULinuxer_> Funraiser> this chan is now flooded with n00bs
[02:51] <kvidell> the software expects certain users to own stuff
[02:52] <kvidell> if you own it instead of that software's user, it wont run
[02:52] <Razor-X> davidmccabe: well, would that be that hard, really?
[02:52] <kvidell> and you end up screwed bad
[02:52] <Razor-X> err!
[02:52] <fus3> ^_^
[02:52] <brodmann> ah
[02:52] <Funraiser> GNULinuxer_, which proves linux is on it's way to world domination
[02:52] <GNULinuxer_> Funraiser> yeah ... and I am loving it
[02:52] <kvidell> use sudo -s -H to get a root prompt for doing lots of stuff at once.
[02:52] <vinux> Funraiser, AMEN
[02:52] <Funraiser> me too lol
[02:52] <Dj_AlTeK> hey i need some help with wine!!!!!
[02:52] <GNULinuxer_> Funraiser> read this http://www.freemind.in/blog/
[02:52] <GNULinuxer_> Dj_AlTeK> just sip it
[02:53] <Sly> Dj_Altek again ?
[02:53] <Dj_AlTeK> >.>
[02:53] <GNULinuxer_> Dj_AlTeK> it's easy ... trust me
[02:53] <vinux> Dj_AlTeK, be sure to smell it frist though
[02:53] <Dj_AlTeK> haha
[02:53] <Sly> and swirl it
[02:53] <Dj_AlTeK> in not talking bout that
[02:53] <cantieeq> where can i get package XFree86-devel for ubuntu ?
[02:53] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: I have to add emacs binds to my .bashrc
[02:53] <vinux> Dj_AlTeK, oh you need some helping drinking it?
[02:53] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> what's stopping you
[02:53] <Razor-X> using the arrow-keys is an unwanted hell indeed
[02:53] <vinux> Dj_AlTeK, ok
[02:53] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: absolutely nothing ;)
[02:53] <Dj_AlTeK> i put in my hl2 cd and i cant find the wine program
[02:54] <GNULinuxer_> kvidell> how good is ubuntu on PPC?
[02:54] <pocho> ddsadas
[02:54] <Dj_AlTeK> when i right click on it and choose open with other application I cant find wine in there
[02:54] <Sly> u aint gonna run hl2 on a simple wine installation
[02:54] <pocho> helllllllloooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[02:54] <kvidell> cantieeq: I believe ubuntu uses xorg instead of the old xfree libs
[02:54] <goldfish_> Dj_AlTeK: you run wine from a terminal
[02:54] <GNULinuxer_> pocho> ?
[02:54] <Dj_AlTeK> >.>
[02:54] <kvidell> GNULinuxer_: Wouldn't know. I don't like linux as a laptop/desktop platform :)
[02:54] <GNULinuxer_> kvidell> it does
[02:54] <unome> Guys is there a flash editor for linux?
[02:54] <pocho> yes thats my name
[02:54] <vinux> pocho, hellllloooo
[02:54] <exjinn> GNULinuxer_, was that article supposed to be humorous?
[02:54] <Funraiser> GNULinuxer_, nice
[02:54] <GNULinuxer_> unome> nope
[02:54] <Dj_AlTeK> what command do you use to get wine started??
[02:54] <pocho> hello vinux
[02:54] <kvidell> well..     I looked and /dev/inotify doesn't exists.  How can I create it?
[02:58] <UdrunKnow> I was slow
[02:58] <UdrunKnow> sorry
[02:58] <apprentice> i am gau
[02:58] <apprentice> gay
[02:58] <Funraiser> kvidell, lol
[02:58] <GNULinuxer_> i was joking guys ... i am not an op
[02:58] <Citizen> ..
[02:58] <kvidell> aw. pishposh.
[02:58] <Flying-Penguin> what is the latest kernel for a P4???
[02:58] <vinux> apprentice, it's ok there is help for you out there
[02:58] <nalioth> well, that was horrible, i rarely say things like that
[02:58] <GNULinuxer_> Flying-Penguin> what?
[02:58] <UdrunKnow> apprentice: I think whatever you are or not does not really matter here :)
[02:58] <Dj_AlTeK> hey how do i get my cdrom mounted when i have a windows disc in the drive??
[02:59] <GNULinuxer_> Flying-Penguin> 2.6.12-686
[02:59] <apprentice> i will stop
[02:59] <Razor-X> DAMN IT ALL
[02:59] <Razor-X> a package came
[02:59] <Flying-Penguin> GNULinuxer_: thank you
[02:59] <nalioth> y'all please, lets keep the dog fellating and pig sodomizing comments amongnst ourselves, ok?
[02:59] <Razor-X> and I thought it was my Calc book
[02:59] <GNULinuxer_> Flying-Penguin> but ...
[02:59] <Razor-X> but it was my mom's sister -_-
[02:59] <Razor-X> *mom's steamer
[02:59] <Razor-X> holy shit... that didn't sound right!
[02:59] <Flying-Penguin> GNULinuxer_:???
[02:59] <Funraiser> Razor-X, lol
[02:59] <Razor-X> yeah, I was hoping the book came -_-
[02:59] <GNULinuxer_> Flying-Penguin> you won't find it in the repos
[02:59] <Razor-X> too much adrenaline...... -_-
[02:59] <GNULinuxer_> Flying-Penguin> do you really need it?
[03:00] <Razor-X> my aunt is rich!
[03:00] <Razor-X> really really really rich, actually
[03:00] <GNULinuxer_> Flying-Penguin> you can use 2.6.11
[03:00] <Razor-X> a celebrity in India ;) 10 story marble house with armed guards
[03:00] <exjinn> razor-x is your aunt single?
[03:00] <socomm> This is lame.
[03:00] <Razor-X> exjinn: married to the most famous magician India ;)
[03:00] <Funraiser> Razor-X, the slip of the tongue is when you say something but mean your mother
[03:00] <exjinn> heh
[03:00] <Razor-X> Funraiser: ;)
[03:00] <cthulfuego> Razor-X: Can the magician make himself disappear?
[03:01] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: PC Sorcar JR
[03:01] <Flying-Penguin> well GNULinuxer_ I am using 2.6.10-5-386 right now
[03:01] <Razor-X> cthulfuego: he made the Taj Mahal disappear
[03:01] <nalioth> Funraiser: tongueing the slip?
[03:01] <cthulfuego> Flying-Penguin: Is 2.6.10 somehow not working?
[03:01] <cthulfuego> Razor-X: That's not very useful.
[03:01] <Funraiser> nalioth, yuk
[03:01] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> aah ... but he doesn't have a 10 storied bulting
[03:01] <Flying-Penguin> yes cthulfuego it isn't smp :)
[03:01] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: he doesen't?
[03:01] <cthulfuego> !rule 1
[03:01] <ubotu> Rule number one: Don't fix it if it isn't broken!
[03:01] <Razor-X> it felt like that....
[03:01] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> your aunt?
[03:01] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: he's married to my Aunt ;)
[03:01] <HrdwrBoB> Flying-Penguin: so get the smp version :)
[03:01] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> I am from kolkata too
[03:01] <apprentice> aunt == ant
[03:01] <apprentice> ?
[03:01] <Razor-X> nice!
[03:02] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> i know your cousins ... moubani
[03:02] <cthulfuego> apprentice: No. ant == small insect. aunt == sister of your parents
[03:02] <Razor-X> I still refer to it as Calcutta, so mind me
[03:02] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: then... you know me?
[03:02] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> and Mumtaz
[03:02] <Flying-Penguin> IS there something better abought 2.6.10 that I don't know abought? what is the best one for ati drivers how abought that?
[03:02] <Funraiser> well we are all cousins
[03:02] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> you indian?
[03:02] <Razor-X> yes, I know Mumtaz, Moubani, and Paroma
[03:02] <Razor-X> yeah, i'm Indian (but not in India)
[03:02] <vinux> who uses Shoutcast here?
[03:02] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> great
[03:02] <Razor-X> ;)
[03:02] <exjinn> I use modprobe i8k force=1 on boot to enable my fans, and gkrellm to regulate them is there any way to tell linux to regulate the fans without having to run gkrellm?
[03:03] <vinux> Razor-X, you american indian?
[03:03] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> you bengali too?
[03:03] <Anon7960> ubuntu rox my sox
[03:03] <Razor-X> my dad is a Mechanical Engineer from IITK
[03:03] <Razor-X> yeahp
[03:03] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> tomar naam ki?
[03:03] <Anon7960> ubuntu rox
[03:03] <Razor-X> amar naam Koushik
[03:03] <vinux> Anon7960, what's uuuuup? UBUNTU IN THE HOUSE!!!
[03:03] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> aha ... do you have bangla fonts installed ?
[03:03] <Anon7960> UBUNTU UBUNTUUBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNTU UBUNT
[03:03] <Razor-X> beware, my Romanized Bengali isn't the best
[03:03] <Anon7960> rox
[03:03] <cthulfuego> Anon7960: Can you not, please?
[03:03] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: can't read Bengali, unfortunately
[03:03] <GNULinuxer_> Anon7960> don't do that
[03:03] <Flying-Penguin> what is the best kernel for ATI???
[03:03] <Ghetek> this isnt working
[03:04] <Ghetek> sudo mount '/hdc1/ISO/Worms Armageddon/WA.ISO' /mnt/iso -o loop
[03:04] <Razor-X> Anon7960: h ave fun bleating, Mr. Script-kiddie
[03:04] <kvidell> god I love IRC
[03:04] <Razor-X> *have
[03:04] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> born and brought up in US?
[03:04] <Anon7960> ubuntu still rox
[03:04] <Razor-X> kvidell: you mean, you get to see Idiots display their idiocy?
[03:04] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: yeahp
[03:04] <GNULinuxer_> Anon7960> don't do that please
[03:04] <Razor-X> but, I speak a generous dose of Bengali at home
[03:04] <cthulfuego> Anon7960: We know. It's why we're here.
[03:04] <Anon7960> why, im showing affection
[03:04] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> good ... khub bhalo
[03:04] <joseph> Let me guess this has been asked a billion times... I can't open shoutcast streams with gstreamer. It tells me there is no thing for audio/mpeg
[03:04] <cthulfuego> Anon7960: No, you're spamming.
[03:04] <Razor-X> it's a very effective way of speaking amongst yourselves when other people are there
[03:05] <Anon7960> fine: any who, my audio doesnt work
[03:05] <cthulfuego> !dict affection
[03:05] <Chris`Everitt> isn't 'sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin' supposed to work with Ubuntu?
[03:05] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> yeah
[03:05] <ubotu> Dictionary 'affection' a positive feeling of liking; "he had trouble expressing the affection he felt"; "the child won everyone's heart"
[03:05] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: it's also incredibly rude
[03:05] <Razor-X> joseph: VLC works with shoutcast streams
[03:05] <cthulfuego> !dict spam
[03:05] <joseph> What is VLC
[03:05] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: not if you whisper it
[03:05] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> tomar surname ki?
[03:05] <Ghetek> !dict tomato
[03:05] <Razor-X> joseph: an awesome media-player
[03:05] <Anon7960> i have a sudigy 2 z5 platinum pro and it doesnt work in ubuntu but it does in window
[03:05] <ubotu> Dictionary 'tomato' (2 shown): mildly acid red or yellow pulpy fruit eaten as a vegetable ;; native to South America; widely cultivated in many varieties  .
[03:05] <goldfish_> joseph: sudo apt-get install vlc
[03:05] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: amar surname Roy
[03:05] <goldfish_> it rocks
[03:05] <Chris`Everitt> I keep getting a 'Could not find package phpmyadmin' message.
[03:05] <joseph> sweet
[03:06] <Ghetek> but seriously... sudo mount '/hdc1/ISO/Worms Armageddon/WA.ISO' /mnt/iso -o loop
[03:06] <cthulfuego> Chris`Everitt: it might be in universe
[03:06] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: tomi jaano amaderke?
[03:06] <Ghetek> what am i doing wrong?
[03:06] <Funraiser> joseph, it's a media player that really opens everything
[03:06] <cthulfuego> Ghetek: -t iso9660
[03:06] <Ghetek> ah
[03:06] <vinux> Isn't a tomato a fruit?
[03:06] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> not all
[03:06] <cthulfuego> $EDITOR Yes, that's what it said.
[03:06] <Ghetek> vinux... your right
[03:06] <Funraiser> joseph, made by french dude though so be careful
[03:06] <Ghetek> tomoto isnt a veggie
[03:06] <cthulfuego> vinux: "fruit eaten as a vegetable"
[03:06] <vinux> Ghetek, cool
[03:06] <joseph> could not find vlc on apt-get...
[03:06] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> tomar uncle is the greatest in the world ... after david copperfield may be
[03:06] <Chris`Everitt> cthulfuego, I'm not sure what you mean by that.  Could you explain that a bit more?
[03:06] <vinux> cthulfuego, cool
[03:07] <Funraiser> joseph, check on synaptic it's there
[03:07] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: yeah, i'm pretty sure of that too
[03:07] <cthulfuego> GNULinuxer_: David Copperfield is a book, mate.
[03:07] <Razor-X> but, I don't like to boast about him, unneccessarily
[03:07] <GNULinuxer_> cthulfuego> nope ... he's the greatest illusionist
[03:07] <Razor-X> cthulfuego: David Copperfield attended my Uncle's shows
[03:07] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> that speaks of your lineage
[03:07] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: heh
[03:08] <Funraiser> David copperfield dated my girlfriend
[03:08] <Razor-X> i'm proud! yes I am
[03:08] <thenuke> joseph: vlc ineed is in university repositories
[03:08] <Razor-X> Funraiser: if you don't believe me... look up the family ties
[03:08] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> now make them proud
[03:08] <cthulfuego> GNULinuxer_: He should get a job ;-)
[03:08] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: well, I love math, so that'll probably be what I do something in
[03:08] <Funraiser> Razor-X, i do believe u
[03:08] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> that's great ... and BTW, prolly I have a crush on Moubani
[03:09] <GNULinuxer_> :-)
[03:09] <Razor-X> Funraiser: i'm his wife's nephew (PC Sorcar Junior)
[03:09] <Funraiser> k
[03:09] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: hah! my mom tells her not to eat too little
[03:09] <Funraiser> not that i care but, that's cool
[03:09] <mrplum> Error ****Jun 21 20:42:37 localhost kernel: usb 6-1: device not accepting address 9, error -71*** when I try and insert my usb floppy, any ideas what's happening?
[03:09] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> lol
[03:09] <Razor-X> my mom took care of Paroma all the time, and Moubani for a bit to
[03:09] <Razor-X> I know of what she did when she was young too ;)
[03:09] <Razor-X> she called my dad 'leboo' (long story)
[03:09] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> lol
[03:10] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> anything to do with balls?
[03:10] <exjinn> I remember someone here owns an internet cafe
[03:10] <Razor-X> nopes ;)
[03:10] <exjinn> anyone know who?
[03:10] <GNULinuxer_> :)
[03:10] <GNULinuxer_> exjinn> no
[03:10] <GNULinuxer_> exjinn> why?
[03:10] <Razor-X> an Ubuntu cafe would be kickarse
[03:10] <Funraiser> no but i remember seeing him around here
[03:10] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> my name is Baishampayan Ghose
[03:11] <exjinn> I've been mulling over the idea of a non profit linux based community computer lab here in philadelphia
[03:11] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: nice to meet ya
[03:11] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> yeah you too.
[03:11] <Funraiser> Ubuntu chocolate for me thanks
[03:11] <exjinn> ubuntu would be a great distro to start with
[03:11] <Razor-X> I think I have enough money for a Das Keyboard ;)
[03:11] <GNULinuxer_> exjinn> i support you
[03:11] <vinux> I
[03:11] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> das kb?
[03:11] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> the hacker kb
[03:11] <Razor-X> time to ask my fried to buy it, and claim that I painted my old keyboard, and throw it away so my parents don't get suspicious ;)
[03:11] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> it too costly
[03:11] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: the very one
[03:12] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> lol
[03:12] <exjinn> west philadelphia is pretty progressive but also pretty ghetto, there aren't many resources for people to access the internet which honestly is a tool...most can't afford it
[03:12] <Funraiser> mrplum, when nobody answers...no one knows...
[03:12] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> since how many years are you using Linux?
[03:12] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: 4, currently
[03:12] <Razor-X> since I was 11, basically
[03:12] <Razor-X> I had my first dose of Linux, muLinux
[03:12] <cthulfuego> That's cheaper then a Happy Hacker
[03:13] <Razor-X> and after that, i'm hooked
[03:13] <Razor-X> cthulfuego: it's either Das, or HHKL2
[03:13] <cthulfuego> Razor-X: I have the latter
[03:13] <cthulfuego> Razor-X: *very* nice
[03:13] <Razor-X> but my parents may grow suspicious as to why I shrank my old keyboard
[03:13] <Razor-X> or rather, how
[03:13] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> lol
[03:13] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> tell them you washed it
[03:13] <Funraiser> on hot waters
[03:13] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: and, a whole portion just got chopped off? ;)
[03:14] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> where is your dad working?
[03:14] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: Applera, at the moment
[03:14] <Razor-X> he's kind of out of touch with his IIT-K buddies
[03:14] <sknroiws> How do I get another hard drive to work with ubuntu?
[03:14] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> what does applera make?
[03:14] <Razor-X> sknroiws: plug it in, and mount it
[03:14] <sknroiws> How do I mount it?
[03:14] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: medicine, I believe
[03:14] <sknroiws> Is there a mounting program?
[03:15] <Razor-X> specifically, he can do MEMS and MOEMS
[03:15] <Razor-X> (I just know the names, not the specifics)
[03:15] <GNULinuxer_> sknroiws> yeah ... you get it in any porn shop
[03:15] <ubotu> Dictionary 'spam' (3 shown): send unwanted or junk e-mail ;; unwanted e-mail (usually of a commercial nature sent out in bulk) ;; a canned meat made largely from pork.
[03:15] <Razor-X> still, my dad doesen't like me majoring in Pure Math
[03:15] <GNULinuxer_> sknroiws> the MOUNTING program
[03:15] <sknroiws> ><
[03:15] <Razor-X> sknroiws: yeah, 'sudo mount /dev/path/to/hdd /mnt/mount/point'
[03:15] <mp3wolf> question for someone in here....  can i get my wireless card in my laptop to work with ubuntu?
[03:15] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> where you you guys stay?
[03:16] <Razor-X> my dad being an Engineer, he doesen't lik Pure math's purely analytical "unrealistic" perspective
[03:16] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> depends
[03:16] <mp3wolf> on?
[03:16] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: Silicon Valley, California
[03:16] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> the card
[03:16] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> great
[03:16] <mp3wolf> ok, what do i need to know?
[03:16] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> the make
[03:16] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> what's sosdg.org?
[03:16] <mp3wolf> dang, wish i had checked that when i had xp on it
[03:16] <mp3wolf> LOL
[03:16] <Razor-X> the site that hosts my shell
[03:16] <sknroiws> How can I tell which one is a hard drive
[03:16] <Razor-X> and the anti-spam organization
[03:17] <sknroiws> There is lots of stuff in the dev folder
[03:17] <Razor-X> sknroiws: try /dev/hdb
[03:17] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> you IRC via remote login?
[03:17] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: yeahp
[03:17] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> why?
[03:17] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: I like my programs to run all the time
[03:17] <sknroiws> I see hba-hbc are those all hard drives?
[03:17] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> once i get ubuntu on the computer will i be able to find out with card i have?
[03:17] <Razor-X> sknroiws: hda == first hard drive, hda1 == first partition of hda
[03:17] <GNULinuxer_> sknroiws> ya
[03:18] <sknroiws> ok
[03:18] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> if it's good yes
[03:18] <Razor-X> and, a increments, and 1 increments
[03:18] <Razor-X> it's a real simple naming convention, much beter than the convoluted one of BSD
[03:18] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> you have no idea which make it is?
[03:18] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> if its a good card?
[03:18] <mp3wolf> not really, i havent ever checked
[03:18] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> it will work out of the boz
[03:18] <GNULinuxer_> box
[03:18] <mp3wolf> its an hp zd7000 laptop
[03:18] <Razor-X> the good thing about the Das keyboard is that it's weighted
[03:18] <Razor-X> plus, I _can't_ look at the keys, I run software Dvorak
[03:19] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> right
[03:19] <bionic> command for cpu etc info ?
[03:19] <Razor-X> so, wiping the keys will have no effect on me
[03:19] <GNULinuxer_> bionic> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[03:19] <benplaut> nzaurus
[03:19] <benplaut> woops
[03:19] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> the weighted thing is the best
[03:19] <Razor-X> it's a very convenient way to learn to touch-type, since I can't look at the keys, there's no way I can do that
[03:19] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: of course
[03:19] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> so what do you recommend me do?
[03:19] <Razor-X> my trackball is already ergonomic, now my keyboard should be high-quality as well
[03:19] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> what's software dvorak?
[03:20] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> is it internal?
[03:20] <Razor-X> Dvorak keyboard layout applied using software
[03:20] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> yes
[03:20] <Razor-X> the home row is 'aoeu id htns'
[03:20] <kvidell> Oh I miss dvorak
[03:20] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> do an lspci and show me the output
[03:20] <kvidell> I'm too lazy to switch. it's not used at work or anything :-\
[03:20] <Razor-X> voweles on the left  hand, most-used consonants on the right
[03:20] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> why is DVORAK better than QWERTY?
[03:21] <Razor-X> it's a totally scientificall designed layout
[03:21] <Razor-X> *scientifically
[03:21] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> well im on my desktop right now, installing ubuntu on the laptop as we speak
[03:21] <coolkev> I have two files NeroLINUX-<IP_ADDRESS>-6-intel.deb  and nero-<IP_ADDRESS>_6-i386-1.tgz. Which of these is best suited for my ubuntu and how do i install from that specific one. I'm running on an AMD athlon Thunderbird which is i386 i'm guessing
[03:21] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> do it
[03:21] <kvidell> GNULinuxer_: it's faster, more ergonomic, efficient++
[03:21] <GNULinuxer_> coolkev> the deb one
[03:21] <Razor-X> from the ground up, the home row is much more effecient that the home row of QWERTY, and so are the other rows
[03:21] <GNULinuxer_> kvidell> i see
[03:21] <Razor-X> *than
[03:21] <kvidell> type-writers were originally dvorak but the typists kept getting the beaters locked
[03:21] <kvidell> so they had to create something else.. qwerty
[03:21] <Razor-X> kvidell: no, not really
[03:21] <kvidell> it's slower by nature
[03:21] <Razor-X> they were originally alphabetical
[03:21] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> im finishing installation right now, it just kicked out the boot cd
[03:21] <kvidell> oh.. well that, yes
[03:22] <Razor-X> Dvorak was engineered much after Sholes created QWERTY
[03:22] <coolkev> GNULinuxer> read the whole question and tell me how to install it
[03:22] <kvidell> (411 operators still use alphabetical key layouts x.x my sister was one)
[03:22] <coolkev> please
[03:22] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> that's not finshed yet
[03:22] <cthulfuego> And now, unless you use only one computer, you're stuck with qwerty
[03:22] <kvidell> Razor-X: You sure about that? Not what I read.
[03:22] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> yeah i know
[03:22] <Funraiser> coolkev, type sudo dpkg -i NeroLinux_your_file.deb
[03:22] <Razor-X> kvidell: one hundred percent
[03:22] <GNULinuxer_> coolkev> sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[03:22] <kvidell> hm, k
[03:22] <coolkev> ok thanks
[03:22] <GNULinuxer_> coolkev> buy me a beer
[03:22] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> i just installed this on a friends pc, really liked it, so i decided to put it on my laptop tonight
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> coolkev: intel is still your architecture
[03:22] <GNULinuxer_> *us
[03:22] <benplaut> QWERTY's whole point is to make you type slower... so that you wouldn't jam keys on a typewriter
[03:22] <coolkev> I have at home
[03:22] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> good idea
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> coolkev: deb is a debian package, which is an ubuntu package
[03:23] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> :)
[03:23] <coolkev> You welcome to join me
[03:23] <Razor-X> http://www.theworldofstuff.com/dvorak/
[03:23] <Razor-X> yeah, it was made to type slower, basically
[03:23] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> ill let you know when its done
[03:23] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> ok
[03:23] <DonL> I guess I learned on Qwerty and I'm probably going to stay with it
[03:24] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> why is it called DVORAK?
[03:24] <cthulfuego> GNULinuxer_: Why it is called QWERTY?
[03:24] <Razor-X> there's no point to refuse to change because of laziness
[03:24] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> are most apps free?
[03:25] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: the guy who made it, his name last name is Dvorak
[03:25] <benplaut> zthulfuego: first few kays in the top row
[03:25] <AlwaysModest> razor-x: i beg to differ, thats why i still use the english system of measurement
[03:25] <GNULinuxer_> cthulfuego> due to the sequence in which the keys are
[03:25] <sknroiws> Whats the command to check hard drive space?
[03:25] <Razor-X> AlwaysModest: that's why you use Linux? ;)
[03:25] <GNULinuxer_> sknroiws> df -h
[03:25] <exjinn> df -h
[03:25] <djs> sknirows: df
[03:25] <DonL> Razor-X, not so much because of laziness, but what I've learned, and have worked with for 30 years or so
[03:25] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> which apps?
[03:25] <Razor-X> DonL: true, I haven't done it for 30 years, but I did it for 10
[03:25] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> all apps are free
[03:26] <Razor-X> err, 9
[03:26] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> free as in freedom
[03:26] <Razor-X> from age 5 to age 14 I typed Dvorak
[03:26] <exjinn> exit
[03:26] <Razor-X> *QWERTY
[03:26] <DonL> Viva the chance to be different though
[03:26] <sknroiws> How do you unmount
[03:26] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> like dvd burning, mp3 playing, cd burning, etc
[03:26] <GNULinuxer_> sknroiws> umount
[03:26] <sknroiws> :/
[03:26] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> ALL are free
[03:26] <sknroiws> Why cant it be unmount
[03:26] <Funraiser> GNULinuxer_, so it's actually your blog that u made me read :-)
[03:26] <sknroiws> Why does it have to be confusing
[03:26] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> yessssssss
[03:26] <Razor-X> that's why a lot of typos confuse me, because when I see them, I look down at my keyboard to see whether the keys are next to each other on a Dvorak keyboard
[03:27] <Razor-X> I can do 130 ;)
[03:27] <cthulfuego> sknroiws: it can. ln -s /bin/umount /usr/local/bin/unmount
[03:27] <GNULinuxer_> sknroiws> the N was lost somewhere ... if you find it please return to the AT & T bell labs
[03:27] <Razor-X> reason enough to choose Dvorak, in my opinion
[03:27] <GNULinuxer_> Funraiser> yeah ...
[03:27] <Razor-X> up from a 90 I had on QWERTY
[03:27] <Razor-X> that's the main reason I can do full punctuation and grammar in my phrases
[03:27] <cthulfuego> sknroiws: Nobody is stopping you from aliasing the command and calling it 'wibble'.
[03:27] <DonL> 130??? Good heavens
[03:27] <sknroiws> lol
[03:27] <Razor-X> because my typing-thought tradeoff is very minimal
[03:27] <Razor-X> (but still there)
[03:28] <Razor-X> and, because I hate the word 'lol' ;)
[03:28] <DonL> lol
[03:28] <Razor-X> I specifically use 'heh', been using it through QWERTY too
[03:28] <Razor-X> even easier to use now that I have a Dvorak keyboard
[03:28] <vinux> I type 30 words per minute
[03:28] <AlwaysModest> i'm not sure how fast i type though its pretty quick
[03:28] <Razor-X> vinux: ouch, that's the average user
[03:28] <vinux> That's just because I can't spell
[03:28] <AlwaysModest> mario's teaches typing told me i didn't type very fast
[03:29] <Razor-X> I have great spelling skills, maybe that works on my favor... ;)
[03:29] <GNULinuxer_> i program as fast as i type [i use python]
[03:29] <Razor-X> *in my
[03:29] <cthulfuego> !lol DonL
[03:29] <ubotu> cthulfuego: Bugger all, i dunno
[03:29] <cthulfuego> ubotu: You suck
[03:29] <ubotu> cthulfuego: I haven't a clue
[03:29] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> you type damn fast
[03:29] <DonL> vinux, that's what I think we have to work on
[03:29] <mp3wolf> LOL
[03:29] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: either you program slowly, or you're crazy ;)
[03:29] <vinux> Razor-X, well I think I can do 40 if I really try to go fast
[03:29] <AlwaysModest> but methinks i was using an 80386 then or something when i was 10
[03:29] <Razor-X> vinux: without thought, I can do a nice 100-120
[03:29] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> why do you think so?
[03:29] <vinux> DonL, if I rush 40
[03:29] <AlwaysModest> nah i was like 6
[03:29] <sknroiws> Is there a way to use sudo cd?
[03:29] <mp3wolf> you respond quite quickly
[03:29] <sknroiws> It says cd not found
[03:29] <vinux> Razor-X, hehe you are in the uper skill range
[03:30] <GNULinuxer_> sknroiws> what the hell are you asking?
[03:30] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> yes
[03:30] <cthulfuego> sknroiws: 'cd' is a shell builtin, not an application.
[03:30] <Funraiser> Razor-X, so u bought a new keyboard or one can learn on top of a qwerty one?
[03:30] <DonL> vinux,  maybe it's not so much of a race
[03:30] <Razor-X> AlwaysModest: after 8086, the 80286, 80386, and continuations thereof have an appended 'i'
[03:30] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> me likes
[03:30] <cthulfuego> sknroiws: Run 'sudo -s' then cd.
[03:30] <mp3wolf> haha
[03:30] <cthulfuego> sknroiws: keep in mind you'll be in a root shell.
[03:30] <Razor-X> Funraiser: can learn on a normal keyboard
[03:30] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> hah
[03:30] <vinux> DonL, yea I don't try to rush
[03:30] <Razor-X> i'm not about to spend money to switch layouts ;)
[03:30] <sknroiws> Alright
[03:30] <Funraiser> Razor-X, what do u do?
[03:30] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> is ubuntu pretty easy to get used to using?
[03:30] <Funraiser> the old one?
[03:30] <cthulfuego> Razor-X: Pulling keys and sticking 'em back on isn't exactly expensive.
[03:30] <GNULinuxer_> Funraiser> he's a stud
[03:30] <sknroiws> Could I change the permissions of the folder to allow my user to open it?
[03:30] <Razor-X> Funraiser: in linux, lemme get you the page
[03:30] <DonL> mp3wolf, I loooooove it
[03:31] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> yes ... since there is this great channel
[03:31] <Razor-X> cthulfuego: what's the point of doing that, and ruining the keyboard slant?
[03:31] <nalioth> mp3wolf: can you point and click?
[03:31] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> yeah it really is
[03:31] <cthulfuego> Razor-X: With cheap keyboards it doesn't matter
[03:31] <mp3wolf> DonL> what makes you like it so much?
[03:31] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> and in any way ... ubuntu is debian and debian rocks
[03:31] <Razor-X> Funraiser: try 'loadkeys dvorak'
[03:31] <Funraiser> k
[03:31] <AlwaysModest> mp3wolf: i like it because it makes my grape imac rev. c run fast again
[03:31] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> yeah so ive read
[03:31] <Razor-X> cthulfuego: ahh, but the packaged keyboard on this machine came with a pretty nice keyboard
[03:31] <Razor-X> and, after this i'm getting a Das Keyboard
[03:31] <Razor-X> so, no loss there
[03:31] <cthulfuego> Keep in mind that dvorak is optimised for _english_ btw, not anything else.
[03:32] <DonL> After about 6 years of trying different distros, this is the one (for me anyway)
[03:32] <Razor-X> there are other layouts, in fact
[03:32] <mp3wolf> DonL> gotcha
[03:32] <Razor-X> and while they aren't 'True Dvorak' (not made by Dvorak himself" they try and use the same mentality
[03:32] <Razor-X> *)
[03:32] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> it think its about done
[03:32] <vinux> DonL, ubuntu has taken the GOLD!
[03:32] <Funraiser> well i'm out of here see y'a
[03:33] <Razor-X> Funraiser: you can also take some mock typing courses online in Dvorak
[03:33] <Razor-X> but, I learned through experimentation, mainly
[03:33] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> oay
[03:33] <GNULinuxer_> okay
[03:33] <DonL> mp3wolf, debian is great, apt-get rocks, and synaptic is the greatest thing
[03:33] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> man this is so nice!  it just finished and im logged in
[03:33] <Razor-X> I remember thinking i'll never memorize the positions of 'c' and 'r' ;)
[03:33] <coolkev> what is a good audio cd burning software for ubuntu that lets me make no pause in between tracks, so when i play it on a cd player i don't hear a pause when it changes to next track
[03:33] <Razor-X> AlwaysModest: I correct almost all of my typos
[03:33] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> yep .. and it has pr0n too!
[03:33] <mp3wolf> DonL> what is synaptic?
[03:33] <Razor-X> again, part of my ingrained sense of netiquette
[03:33] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> LOL
[03:33] <Razor-X> mp3wolf: graphical package manager
[03:33] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> you'll see what is synaptic
[03:33] <DonL> Synaptic is a gui front-end to apt-get
[03:34] <Razor-X> I prefer aptitude, meself
[03:34] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> is the laptop connected to the net?
[03:34] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> k what did you want me to do to see wireless card?
[03:34] <mp3wolf> yeah through ethernet
[03:34] <GNULinuxer_> Razor-X> aptitude is intelligent
[03:34] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> try opening a webpage
[03:34] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer_: *gasp* XD
[03:34] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> it works
[03:35] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> great
[03:35] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> but that is through ethernet, not wireless
[03:35] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> now ... on the top right corner ... do you see a read circle?
[03:35] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> i know
[03:35] <mp3wolf> yes
[03:35] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> yes
[03:35] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> click
[03:35] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> it will update your system automatically
[03:35] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> ok doing that now
[03:36] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> 25 new updates
[03:36] <mp3wolf> LOL
[03:36] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> you are a fast learner
[03:36] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> why laugh?
[03:36] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> im kinda handy with pcs
[03:36] <DonL> There you go, mp3wolf
[03:36] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> must be a little out of date
[03:36] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> thats why i laugh
[03:36] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> Hoary was released in april ... so there will be updates
[03:36] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> oh ok
[03:37] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> guess im a little late
[03:37] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> yeah may be ... but later than never
[03:37] <DonL> mp3wolf, if you have broadband, it shouldn't take too long
[03:37] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> exactly
[03:37] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> yeah 3 mins
[03:37] <mp3wolf> DonL> yeah 3 mins
[03:37] <DonL> good
[03:37] <kvidell> oh christ
[03:38] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> Applications > System tools > Root terminal
[03:38] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> man this kernel is nice!
[03:38] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> kernel?
[03:38] <ttyS1> "# apt-get install flex"    but it tells me - "/var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)" and "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?" what to do? thank you :)
[03:38] <sknroiws> I have a 200GB SATA Harddrive plugged in but I cant seem to find it
[03:38] <sknroiws> :/
[03:38] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> or whatever its called
[03:38] <mp3wolf> LOL
[03:38] <GNULinuxer_> ttyS1> you have two package managers open
[03:38] <djs> ttyS1: Do you have Synaptic open?
[03:38] <nalioth> ttyS1: 1: you are not using "sudo" or 2: another apt is open somewhere
[03:38] <kvidell> I switched back to dvorak
[03:38] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> distribution
[03:38] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> k root is open
[03:39] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> oh ok
[03:39] <ttyS1> yes I have Synaptic open :)
[03:39] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> lspci
[03:39] <GNULinuxer_> ttyS1> close that
[03:39] <djs> ttyS1: close it and try again
[03:39] <ttyS1> ok :)
[03:39] <GNULinuxer_> DonL> you are old
[03:39] <Mobius> Does anyone here run a relatively new ASUS notebook?
[03:39] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> Broadcom Corporatoin BCM4306
[03:40] <DonL> GNULinuxer_, thanks. I needed to hear that!!!
[03:40] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> show me the full output
[03:40] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> does that tell you anything?
[03:40] <nalioth> mp3wolf: are you on a mac?
[03:40] <GNULinuxer_> nalioth> no
[03:40] <mp3wolf> nalioth> no on a HP
[03:40] <nalioth> GNULinuxer_: are you channeling?
[03:40] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> how can i connect to irc on ubuntu?
[03:40] <nalioth> mp3wolf: perhaps you should try one out
[03:40] <srb715> hello, i'm just curious as to where i run a command that looks like this "$ sudo mkdir /mnt/winxp"
[03:41] <nalioth> mp3wolf: many different ways
[03:41] <mp3wolf> nalioth> i wish i had now
[03:41] <nalioth> mp3wolf: xchat, irssi, others
[03:41] <GNULinuxer_> srb715> Applications > System tools > Root terminal
[03:41] <mp3wolf> nalioth> how do i open one of those?
[03:41] <srb715> ermm but it starts with a # and not a $
[03:41] <nalioth> GNULinuxer_: not required the root terminal
[03:41] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> what?
[03:42] <GNULinuxer_> nalioth> i know
[03:42] <vinux> Thunder is one of my best friends! He tells me when lightning is coming to fight with my computer :)
[03:42] <kvidell> srb715: that's just the prompt, ignore it :)
[03:42] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> show me the output
[03:42] <kvidell> that's not part of the command, it signifies that you're at a terminal
[03:42] <djs> mp3wolf: Applications -> Internet -> XChatIRC (or Gaim)
[03:42] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> im trying to connect to this channel via the ubuntu
[03:42] <GNULinuxer_> djs> XChat is better
[03:42] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> it's easy
[03:43] <kvidell> GAIM's irc is terrible :-\
[03:43] <djs> GNULinuxer_: k
[03:43] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> open xchat
[03:43] <kvidell> I use BitchX running in a screen session on my BSD file server :D
[03:43] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> k, now what
[03:43] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> what network?
[03:43] <kvidell> irc.freenode.net
[03:44] <benplaut> i hate moral issues like this...
[03:44] <GNULinuxer_> mp3wolf> if you don't find it, press Alt+F4 and type xchat
[03:44] <kvidell> what's up, benplaut?
[03:44] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> i found it
[03:44] <nalioth> ubuntu xchat is hardcoded to start up in here
[03:44] <soco> I have just installed ubuntu5.0.4; I cannot make totem play anything. Any ideas?
[03:44] <mp3wolf> GNULinuxer_> trying to coneect to freenode
[03:44] <nalioth> soco, ubotu has the answer
[03:44] <nalioth> !Restricted
[03:44] <ubotu> [restricted]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:44] <benplaut> i have a legal copy of Studio MX 2004, and yet i need Studio MX to run with WINE...
[03:44] <soco> It says it's missing plugins, but gstreamer is installed
[03:45] <lee_> hey this is mp3wolf
[03:45] <kvidell> Hio, mp3wolf^2.
[03:45] <suser> no op?
[03:46] <suser> wow
[03:46] <kvidell> suser: Read freenode's policy on "Catylysts" sometime :)
[03:46] <srb715> ermm ok i'm trying to open fstab and edit it to let me see my ntfs partition, but its read only.  how do i change that
[03:46] <sknroiws> !faq
[03:46] <ubotu> I heard faq is Frequently Asked Questions you can check it out from here ---> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[03:46] <lee_> GNULinuxer> what all do you want?
[03:46] <kvidell> there are ops about but they make it a point to be quiet.
[03:46] <kvidell> srb715: edit it as root. click on your desktop and hit Alt+F2, then type "gksudo gedit /etc/fstab" (without the quotie-marks)
[03:47] <benplaut> yup... i see one right now
[03:47] <srb715> ty
[03:47] <kvidell> yep
[03:47] <sasquatc4> i got a question about getting direct acceleration on my ati IGP chipset, I completely removed fglrx and restored mesa and gl to the oringal xorg releases, but im still getting indirect rendering
[03:47] <sasquatc4> anyone know how to fix this
[03:47] <benplaut> make that 2 :)
[03:48] <`psycho> anyone had experience with dc++ client for linux?
[03:48] <`psycho> i installed it like in ubuntuforums howto described...
[03:48] <`psycho> i run into a problem while hashing stuff...
[03:48] <`psycho> it finishes hashing...and starts all over again
[03:48] <`psycho> and doesn't end
[03:49] <`psycho> anyone experienced this?
[03:49] <suser> Where can I find an available package list?
[03:49] <srb715> kvidell, i just ran that but its blank?
[03:49] <nalioth> suser: packages.ubuntu.com
[03:49] <suser> shanks!
[03:49] <lee_> GNULinuxer> what all do you want?
[03:50] <GNULinuxer> lee_> i don't understand
[03:50] <x_or> Anyone having trouble running firefox under new installs of Ubuntu?  The CPU usage hits 99% when I try to run it.
[03:50] <GNULinuxer> mp3wolf> you there?
[03:50] <bphan> When you create a boot image for dual boot under windows XP, how do we know what partition we should create?
[03:50] <sknroiws> How do you format a hard drive?
[03:50] <lee_> GNULinuxer> oh sorry this is mp3wolf
[03:50] <kvidell> srb715: your fstab is blank? o.O;
[03:50] <`psycho> um?
[03:50] <`psycho> :(
[03:51] <GNULinuxer> sknroiws> mkfs
[03:51] <srb715> hmmm no, i guess it wasn't.  just user error because it works now
[03:51] <bphan>  dd if=/dev/hda1 of=linux.lnx bs=512 count=1   <= /dev/hda1 hda2... or what?
[03:51] <kvidell> ah, okay
[03:51] <lee_> GNULinuxer> what did you want me to copy and paste to you?
[03:51] <GNULinuxer> lee_> who are you?
[03:51] <GNULinuxer> mp3wolf> ?
[03:51] <lee_> yes
[03:52] <kvidell> lee == mp3wolf, GNULinuxer :)
[03:52] <lee_> haha thanks kvidell
[03:52] <GNULinuxer> lee_> don't worry i have the thing sorted
[03:52] <djs> lee_/mp3wolf: Check BCM4306 on this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[03:52] <sknroiws> I want to format /dev/sdb1 so would I do mkfs /dev/sdb1?
[03:52] <lee_> thanks djs
[03:52] <odie5533> How do I install the SUN JDK?
[03:52] <GNULinuxer> lee_> this is your solution
[03:52] <GNULinuxer> http://mattsmith.hostmatrix.org/zx5078cl/ubuntu.html
[03:52] <lee_> k
[03:52] <sknroiws> Or do I do the mount point
[03:52] <GNULinuxer> lee_> follow the instructions and enjoy!
[03:53] <lee_> GNULinuxer> thanks
[03:53] <GNULinuxer> lee_> buy me a beer
[03:54] <GNULinuxer> kvidell> what's that?
[03:54] <lee_> GNULinuxer> sounds like a deal, but it says to compile, how do i g?o about doing that
[03:54] <x_or> Anyone having trouble running firefox, my cpu is hitting 99% when I launch it.
[03:54] <kvidell> GNULinuxer: The only american beer I like.
[03:54] <GNULinuxer> lee_> very easy
[03:54] <lee_> GNULinuxer> Shiner Bck is a good beer
[03:54] <kvidell> It's from Texas, oddly enough
[03:54] <GNULinuxer> lee_> will be done in 2 mins
[03:54] <GNULinuxer> kvidell> aha ... i like fosters
[03:54] <lee_> GNULinuxer> k ill look at it and see what i can do
[03:55] <lee_> GNULinuxer> might have some more questions
[03:55] <GNULinuxer> lee_> wait
[03:55] <GNULinuxer> lee_> don't do anything now, just read
[03:55] <lee_> GNULinuxer> ok
[03:55] <lee_> im readin over it
[03:55] <josie> what does ubuntu use as its network manager.... and more importantly, to autoconfigure wireless stuff
[03:56] <lee_> GNULinuxer> k i think i can do this :)
[03:56] <lee_> GNULinuxer> need a nice cold guiness though, brb
[03:56] <sknroiws> I want to format /dev/sdb1 so would I do mkfs /dev/sdb1?
[03:56] <josie> what does ubuntu use as its network manager?
[03:56] <nalioth> x_or: use galeon (another web browser)
[03:57] <x_or> nalioth:  Ok, will try this.  Is there a known issue with firefox?
[03:57] <GNULinuxer> lee_> okay ... have it sorted
[03:57] <GNULinuxer> lee_> are you ready ?
[03:57] <srb715> what is synaptic?
[03:57] <GNULinuxer> srb715> damn you
[03:57] <lee_> GNULinuxer> hold on getting the files
[03:57] <GNULinuxer> lee_>
[03:57] <GNULinuxer> lee_> no no
[03:57] <GNULinuxer> lee_> do as i say
[03:58] <djs> !synaptic
[03:58] <ubotu> [synaptic]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[03:58] <lee_> GNULinuxer> ok
[03:58] <cthulfuego> But not as I do.
[03:58] <nalioth> x_or: not that i know of, i just find it bloated and slow
[03:58] <GNULinuxer> lee_> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:58] <lee_> GNULinuxer> do this in my terminal or root terminal?
[03:58] <nalioth> x_or: galeon uses the gecko engine, but is gtk based (i believe)
[03:58] <x_or> OK, I will try galeon.  Does galeon support plugins, like the RealPlayer and Flash?
[03:58] <x_or> Oh, OK.
[03:59] <josie> nalioth:  galeon suddenly got bloated and slow about 2 years ago
[03:59] <nalioth> x_or: yes it does all the plugins that firefox/mozilla do
[03:59] <kvidell> x_or: You could also try Dillio
[03:59] <josie> x_or: or epiphany
[03:59] <nalioth> josie: but it's still faster (imho) than firefox currently
[03:59] <lee_> GNULinuxer> do this in my terminal or root terminal?
[03:59] <GNULinuxer> talk on the private window
[03:59] <kvidell> lee_: Your own
[04:00] <kvidell> that's why he appened "sudo" to it
[04:00] <TTT_Travis|G3> hi guys
[04:00] <nalioth> x_or: dillo, kazehakaze, epiphany are all gui browswers (as weell as mozilla-suite and firefox)
[04:00] <TTT_Travis|G3> anyone think they can help me with this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=223005&posted=1#post223005
[04:00] <schnits> I hate asking stupid questions, but I can't find the answer anywhere. I installed ubuntu and I had the GDM the graphical log-in screen. Now it says GDM is running (when the system boots up), but it uses CLI for the login. I can start the GUI via startx, but I would like it to start automatically like it did after being installed. Thanks
[04:00] <kvidell> is it "Dillo" or "Dillio" ?
[04:00] <suser> I take it apt-get is the primary package util in Ubuntu?
[04:00] <nalioth> kvidell: dillo
[04:00] <kvidell> oh, okay :) thank you.
[04:00] <nalioth> suser: yes, but you can use synaptic
[04:00] <kvidell> suser: apt-get aptitude or synaptic
[04:00] <kvidell> all use teh same backend
[04:00] <sproingie> suser: synaptic, usually.  anything that does apt is find
[04:00] <suser> What's the dif?
[04:01] <sproingie> er fine
[04:01] <kvidell> preference
[04:01] <TTT_Travis|G3> gook21
[04:01] <kvidell> synaptic is the only gui based one
[04:01] <sproingie> suser: interface.  it's all the same behind the scenes
[04:01] <suser> OH, like a front-end
[04:01] <kvidell> aptitude is CLI Synaptic
[04:01] <sproingie> kvidell: there's kynaptic ... which isn't that hot
[04:01] <kvidell> apt-get is cli with no shell
[04:01] <netsniper> im having problems with starterbar-gdesklet
[04:01] <suser> What really does the front-end give you?
[04:01] <kvidell> (referring to the fact that aptitude starts up this big "environemtn" that looks like emacs)
[04:01] <kvidell> suser: clickability
[04:01] <kvidell> hehe
[04:01] <TTT_Travis|G3> anyone here use MythTV?
[04:02] <kvidell> aptitude remembers deps better than the other two
[04:02] <suser> It seems to simple a process to require a front-end...