[00:43] <rawfodog> was that update tested ? I am the only one with two computers that had problems upgrade lubuntu ?
[00:44] <Unit193> I don't know the numbers, no.  What went wrong?
[00:44] <rawfodog> I dont want to sound entitled here, just want to voice that some issues
[00:44] <rawfodog> Even the load screen changed
[00:45] <rawfodog> before the login was this really nice lubuntu branded screen
[00:45] <Unit193> Plymouth theme may have, and the login sure would.
[00:45] <rawfodog> now it looks like xcfe or something
[00:45] <rawfodog> I got a lot of errors for packages, and when I rebooted one computer the applications menu crashed and I got an error
[00:46] <rawfodog> anyway
[00:46] <Unit193> I'm updating a non-Lubuntu one now, we'll see how that goes.
[00:54] <rawfodog> oh man . uggg just opened audacious and it looks like shit
[00:54] <rawfodog> like Visual basic form or something
[00:54] <rawfodog> Man the update is lame
[00:54] <Unit193> Did you ever change your theme?
[00:55] <rawfodog> Ill try I guess
[00:55] <rawfodog> but I dont think its a theme issue
[01:52] <HBX> anyone know how to turn off error reporting ?\
[03:12] <Unit193> rawfodog: My non-Lubuntu upgrade went very well.
[03:34] <rawfodog> thats nice to hear Unit193
[03:35] <Unit193> Doesn't help you, but...
[03:35] <rawfodog> lol
[03:35] <rawfodog> I just tried reinstalling lubuntu on the laptop, somewhere I screwed up and now Im getting a grub error
[03:35] <rawfodog> lol
[03:36] <rawfodog> one of those "turn off all the computers and dont touch them for the rest of the night" moments
[03:36] <holstein> hehe
[03:36] <holstein> thats when you know you are just about to get it :)
[03:36] <rawfodog> I know its not lubuntus fault
[03:37] <holstein> rawfodog: thanks for assuming that
[03:37] <rawfodog> lol :)
[03:37] <holstein> rawfodog: these days at new release time, thats a refreshing attitude to have in the support channels :)
[03:37] <rawfodog> Im a programmer for a living so lol
[03:37] <rawfodog> I dont like having that crapped dropped on me
[03:37] <rawfodog> I know how it is :)
[03:38] <rawfodog> Speaking of, I'd love to contribute to lubuntu but I'm not entirely clear how the whole thing works
[03:38] <rawfodog> I can program in c etc, I just never really used git or understand how to submit improvements
[03:39] <holstein> rawfodog: i would /join #lubuntu-offtopic
[03:39] <rawfodog> k
[03:39] <holstein> start there ...its a smallish team AFAIK
[03:39] <holstein> good folks
[04:50] <aazcod1999> hello?
[04:51] <aazcod1999> can someone help me with lubuntu i need to figure out how to play minecraft
[04:51] <aazcod1999> i installed it, but when i get to the main menu it freeze's and i cant play at all :/
[04:51] <aazcod1999> anyone?
[04:54] <EvilResistance> aazcod1999, define "Freeze"
[04:54] <EvilResistance> and explain the steps you used to 'install' minecraft
[04:54] <aazcod1999> well
[04:54] <aazcod1999> i downloaded java
[04:54] <aazcod1999> the sun java
[04:54] <EvilResistance> !enter
[04:55] <aazcod1999> and the opensourse java, and then i did something with a downloaded file and it reinstalled java and when i tried to run it i get to the sp/mp/options screen but i cant click anything and it stops
[04:56] <EvilResistance> how are you running minecraft, with any specific command, or just double-clicking the jar or something?
[04:56] <aazcod1999> double clicking and using commands xD
[04:56] <EvilResistance> okay, give me one second
[04:56] <aazcod1999> i ran both and the same thing happens i even tried uninstalling all my java stuff and reinstalling and nothing works D:
[04:56] <aazcod1999> !help
[04:57] <aazcod1999> !patience
[04:57] <EvilResistance> aazcod1999, open a console and do `java -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp /path/to/Minecraft.jar`
[04:58] <EvilResistance> so you can see if any errors are being thrown (they'll show up in the console)
[04:58] <EvilResistance> if there's no errors, then it could be a million different reasons
[04:58] <aazcod1999> theres lots of things that poped up?
[04:58]  * EvilResistance can't see your screen
[04:58] <EvilResistance> :P
[04:58] <EvilResistance> hang on a sec
[04:59]  * EvilResistance grabs his LInux VM
[04:59] <aazcod1999> should i pastebin.com it?
[05:00] <aazcod1999> http://pastebin.com/jNNW46ty
[05:01] <IAmNotThatGuy> aazcod1999, Could you please post the command you executed?
[05:01] <aazcod1999> java -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp /path/to/Minecraft.jar
[05:01] <bioterror> common sense, please
[05:01] <aazcod1999> you mean the one i used to run minecraft?
[05:01] <EvilResistance> might need -jar instead of -cp
[05:01] <EvilResistance> bioterror:  running via command line will output the errors
[05:02] <EvilResistance> if Minecraft is throwing any (thereby causing the freeze)
[05:02] <bioterror> ofcourse if he uses /path/to/Minecraft.jar
[05:02] <bioterror> gee
[05:02] <EvilResistance> well granted, that was meant as a placeholder :P
[05:02] <EvilResistance> aazcod1999:  actually replace /path/to/Minecraft.jar with the path to where Minecraft is on your system
[05:02] <aazcod1999> its on my desktop
[05:03] <IAmNotThatGuy> bioterror, you never made a mistake like this before? when you were a n00b? ;P
[05:03] <aazcod1999> hey hey
[05:03] <EvilResistance> then use /home/UserNameHere/Desktop/Minecraft.jar  BUT replace 'UserNameHere' with your username on your computer
[05:03] <bioterror> IAmNotThatGuy, you're talking to me, ofcourse not
[05:03] <aazcod1999> im no noob, i accually code minecraft mods but im a windows fiend
[05:03] <aazcod1999> xD
[05:03] <IAmNotThatGuy> bioterror, lies
[05:03] <bioterror> IAmNotThatGuy, I do not lie
[05:03] <bioterror> IAmNotThatGuy, but glad you told us that you made them ;)
[05:04] <IAmNotThatGuy> aazcod1999, I am just pulling the legs of bioterror. ;]
[05:04] <bioterror> ~/Desktop/Minecraft.jar
[05:04] <bioterror> saves you same time
[05:04] <bioterror> some
[05:07] <aazcod1999> pastebin.com it?
[05:07] <aazcod1999> and i did get errors :D
[05:08] <aazcod1999> http://pastebin.com/gGW9MPCq
[05:08] <bioterror> looks quite normal
[05:09] <aazcod1999> lubuntu environment plugin errors or something?
[05:09] <bioterror> but it says it did not find any controllers like keyboard and mouse?
[05:09] <aazcod1999> how do i fix that?
[05:10] <IAmNotThatGuy> do you have any emulators to run minecraft iin Linux?
[05:10] <IAmNotThatGuy> I'm not a minecraft fan :|
[05:10] <seekwill> What's minecraft?
[05:10] <aazcod1999> no i dont know how to get emulators
[05:11] <bioterror> hmmmm
[05:11] <aazcod1999> i could just goto ubuntu but lubuntu is soooooooo fast, so i kinda wana stay so i hope we can fix this D:
[05:11] <bioterror> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613995
[05:11] <EvilResistance> IAmNotThatGuy:  Minecraft can be run directly from a .jar, or from WINE if you install Sun Java for Windows in WINEM
[05:11] <EvilResistance> WINE*
[05:11] <bioterror> by default I think lubuntu does not use ibus
[05:11] <bioterror> or does it?
[05:13] <aazcod1999> how do i install wine?
[05:14] <IAmNotThatGuy> aazcod1999, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613995 read that please :)
[05:16] <aazcod1999> were do i find were to put the jar files?
[05:26] <aazcod1999> ok well
[05:26] <aazcod1999> woops sorry hit enter, but anyways; it kinda worked but it still freezes at the beggining screen
[05:30] <aazcod1999> :'( i just wana play minecraft grrrrr.... D:
[05:47] <aazcod1999> hello?!
[05:51] <bioterror> aazcod1999, you have correct java installed?
[05:54] <aazcod1999> yes
[05:54] <aazcod1999> im installing wine hopefully this helps...
[06:19] <aazcod1999> My problem still isnt resolved nothing is working please help D:
[07:08] <aazcod1999> how can i change the screen refresh time? everytime i change it and click apply or save it closes the little window and doesnt stay
[08:03] <aazcod1999> how can i make a ubuntu boot usb from my lubuntu?
[08:11] <gordonjcp> aazcod1999: these days the isos will boot if you just dd them to a USB stick
[08:16] <aazcod1999> dd?
[08:17] <aazcod1999> and is there a light version of ubuntu like lubuntu but accually works with minecraft?
[10:53] <a_b0y> is the firefox on linux any different than the one on windows?
[10:55] <Unit193> Some, for example the Preferences option is under "Edit" rather than "Tools"
[10:56] <MrChrisDruif> And I think their aim is on Windows nowadays, so new features are presented on that platform earlier
[12:04] <a_b0y> Unit193 i am having problems with moodle when i am using firefox on ubuntu, but firefox on windows works fine
[12:12] <g00denough> what app do i need in 12.04/lxde to get a "runcommand" prompt when pressing alt-f2?
[12:13] <bioterror> lxpanelctl run
[12:14] <bioterror> but I prefer "gmrun"
[12:14] <bioterror> it's not tied to lxpanel
[12:15] <g00denough> thank you, i will look at it
[13:09] <Shinka> Just installed Lubuntu 12.04: great job, I like it! One thing though: I'm looking for the xml file to configure the openbox menu (the menu that appears when right-clicking on the desktop).
[13:10] <bioterror> it's disabled by default and lxde handles the menu
[13:10] <bioterror> but if you want to use it and configure it, ~/.config/openbox/menu.xml
[13:10] <Shinka> Ok good, so I just need to activate it and create this file? Thanks!
[13:15] <Shinka> bioterror: it works, thanks!
[13:18] <souliaq> Aspire One 722 with Lubuntu 12.04 no sound!
[13:18] <bioterror> checked alsamixer yet?
[13:19] <bioterror> if you have volume icon in the systray, right click it and choose mixer
[13:19] <souliaq> alsamixer in terminal, show nothing
[13:19] <bioterror> hmmm
[13:19] <souliaq> VLC reports no sound
[13:19] <bioterror> sounds like your soundcard is not recognized
[13:19] <souliaq> alsamixer in terminal just show S/PDIF alone
[13:20] <bioterror> google for chipset and try to load correct module
[13:20] <bioterror> I'm off to grocery store with angry kids :d
[13:22] <phillw> souliaq: have aread through the stickies at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334
[13:23] <phillw> should be faster than hunting it down with google :)
[13:24] <souliaq> I going to try this: http://bernaerts.dyndns.org/linux/202-ubuntu-acer-ao722, it fails I look your link.
[13:24] <souliaq> if fails
[13:25] <phillw> if you're on a laptop, it's also worth checking out http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=332 I've found Acer's to be quite compatible.
[13:34] <souliaq> Is not compatible!
[13:34] <souliaq> damn, I must install Lubuntu 11.10
[13:35] <souliaq> thanks.
[13:38] <Rullakee1ab> terooooo
[13:39] <Rullakee1ab> wc
[14:30] <corvus_> Has anyone else noticed the increased memory usage of Lubuntu 12.04 over 11.10?
[14:30] <corvus_> Idle in 11.10 for me was usually between 83-86. With 12.04, it sits at around 99-103.
[14:32] <corvus_> When I close Firefox after having browsed for only a few minutes, the ram usage sits in the 250-260 mb range.
[14:32] <corvus_> This is with nothing else open.
[14:33] <corvus_> Anyone else having increased memory issues?
[14:38] <corvus_> Anyone?
[14:46] <Gege71> hello
[14:47] <Gege71> did anyone upgrade to 12.04 ? how does it come the upgrade manager want to add lot of useless package : bluez, evolution, gnome-themes , ....  i don't want them !
[14:48] <Gege71> I just want my packages updated, not others
[14:54] <koolbuntu> hi guys
[14:54] <koolbuntu> anyone in?
[14:55] <koolbuntu> how do i disable password authentication on startup ?
[14:55] <koolbuntu> couldn't find the file in /etc/
[14:58] <koolbuntu> k found it
[14:59] <koolbuntu> lxdm.conf
[15:14] <koolbuntu> back
[15:14] <koolbuntu> i set timeout to 0
[15:14] <koolbuntu> but nothing happened
[15:15] <koolbuntu> anyone home ?
[15:23] <nady> hi
[15:24] <koolbuntu> hi
[15:24] <nady> kybord
[15:24] <nady> layout
[15:26] <nady> help
[16:12] <bioterror> all the askers comes and goes
[16:14] <souliaq> how I can change the default sound device in Lubuntu 11.10?
[16:18] <bioterror> with .asoundrc
[16:35] <razvan> is lubuntu faster then xubuntu?
[16:36] <razvan> it so sluggish
[16:36] <bioterror> you tell us ;)
[16:36] <razvan> xubuntu work more faster
[16:37] <razvan> you cant even have weather aplication :((
[16:37] <razvan> on lubuntu :(
[16:37] <razvan> :))
[16:37] <bioterror> look out from the window
[16:37] <razvan> hahah
[16:37] <bioterror> my irc client tells me 12°C, Mostly Cloudy
[16:38] <bioterror> you can configure conky to tell you weather, for example
[16:38] <razvan> 1 thing i love on lubuntu: my netbook heats so slow :)..less cpu usage...but on xubuntu i need a cooler pad :))
[16:38] <bioterror> I'll buy you a beer if you make conky to sniff weather from google.com
[16:39] <razvan> conky?
[16:39] <razvan> whats that
[16:40] <Unit193> bioterror: What if I pull it, but not from google
[16:40] <Unit193> ?
[16:40] <bioterror> Unit193, I want it from google
[16:41] <razvan> google here...google there....why always google
[16:41] <bioterror> Unit193, I'll transfer you some beer money with paypal
[16:41] <bioterror> Unit193, like I did with mohi :D
[16:41] <bioterror> razvan, becouse all the other weather services seems to suck less or more
[16:41] <razvan> try yahoo weather
[16:42] <razvan> ?
[16:42] <bioterror> too many cludges
[16:42] <Unit193> No, either wunderground or I suppose google
[16:43] <bioterror> as you wish, but something else than weather.com or any other ;)
[16:43] <bioterror> which requires some logins and so on
[16:43] <bioterror> most of the conky's weather scripts sucks
[17:16] <JohnDoe_71Rus> who use kvirc?
[17:28] <pcroque> bioterror: here's a simple yahoo weather script for conky: http://paste.ubuntu.com/953041/
[17:44] <melodie_> hi,
[17:44] <bioterror> pcroque, nice
[17:45] <melodie_> I have installed lubuntu to virtualbox and can't find a way to get higher resolution nor find where the driver in use is show : any solution ?
[17:45] <pcroque> bioterror: It's just a one liner...but it seems to work.
[17:45] <melodie_> +n
[17:45] <melodie_> shown
[17:47] <bioterror> melodie_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Workarounds#Screen_resolution_is_wrong.2C_no_matter_what_I_do
[17:47] <JohnDoe_71Rus> melodie_: host+f ?
[17:47] <melodie_> hi bioterror hi JohnDoe_71Rus
[17:47] <JohnDoe_71Rus> melodie_: hi
[17:47] <bioterror> if you have 12.04, then lightdm instead of lxdm
[17:47] <melodie_> JohnDoe_71Rus, I didn't say full screen I sayd resolution setup
[17:48] <Unit193> Driver in jockey.
[17:48] <melodie_> my computer has a 1400x1050 screen and the distro offers 1024x768 max, and I don't know what driver is in use either
[17:48] <melodie_> which could help me find out a solutin
[17:48] <melodie_> +o
[17:48] <JohnDoe_71Rus> melodie_: it was fullscreen with natural resolution
[17:48] <melodie_> ok I try
[17:49] <melodie_> JohnDoe_71Rus, same, I get full screen with 1024x768 and a nice black rectangle around, as I expected
[17:50] <JohnDoe_71Rus> strange
[17:51] <JohnDoe_71Rus> how much video memory?
[17:51] <JohnDoe_71Rus> 32Mb enough
[17:51] <melodie_> bioterror, lxdm : service unknown
[17:51] <melodie_> 12 mo
[17:52] <bioterror> Sat20:47 <bioterror> if you have 12.04, then lightdm instead of lxdm
[17:52] <melodie_> virtualbox
[17:52] <melodie_> ah ha
[17:52] <melodie_> what is lightdm ? where does this component come from ?
[17:52] <bioterror> it comes from the Internet
[17:52] <JohnDoe_71Rus> lightdm is new login screen
[17:53] <melodie_> yes, who develops it ?
[17:53] <JohnDoe_71Rus> people ^)
[17:53] <melodie_> more it's light better I like it
[17:53] <bioterror> people from the internet
[17:53] <melodie_> people or paid devs ?
[17:53] <Unit193> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lightdm
[17:53] <bioterror> I bet LightDM aint light after canonical touched it :D
[17:54] <bioterror> it should be forked with a name "BloatDM"
[17:54] <melodie_> launchpad : so it might be canonical itself ? or maybe not...
[17:55] <melodie_> bioterror, I would not be, could be surprised
[17:56] <JohnDoe_71Rus> melodie_: what is the maximum resolution for 12Mb and 24bit?
[17:56] <melodie_> wait wait
[17:56] <melodie_> the driver is vesa, so it probably can't do better
[17:57] <bioterror> vesa by default? :D
[17:57] <gordonjcp> bioterror: it's a good bit lighter on resources than gdm
[17:57] <JohnDoe_71Rus> do you install virtualbox plugins?
[17:57] <gordonjcp> bioterror: rather than calling upon most of the full Gnome set of libraries, it uses webkit
[17:57] <gordonjcp> seems an "interesting" choice to render a GUI, but there you go...
[17:58] <bioterror> I would like to see some statistics about lightdm being superior
[17:58] <gordonjcp> superior to what?
[17:58] <bioterror> but I have to say, that it gave to Lubuntu multiuser sessions
[17:58] <bioterror> gordonjcp, compared to GDM ;)
[17:58] <gordonjcp> it looks nicer
[17:59] <gordonjcp> who cares how much memory it uses, it's a login screen
[17:59] <gordonjcp> your computer isn't doing anything else
[18:00] <bioterror> actually it might be doing something else
[18:02] <melodie_> JohnDoe_71Rus, what plugins could I install ?
[18:02] <melodie_> I know only about virtualbox video driver and same for mouse, not plugins
[18:02] <gordonjcp> bioterror: in which case, it would end up getting swapped out
[18:03] <JohnDoe_71Rus> melodie_: version virtualbox?
[18:03] <melodie_> I lool
[18:03] <melodie_> look
[18:04] <melodie_> 4.1.12
[18:07] <JohnDoe_71Rus> melodie_: can't open virtualbox site
[18:07] <melodie_> same here JohnDoe_71Rus
[18:07] <melodie_> since several hours
[18:10] <JohnDoe_71Rus> melodie_: "VirtualBox Extension Pack"
[18:11] <melodie_> thanks JohnDoe_71Rus
[18:11] <melodie_> I try
[18:12] <venik212> how do I get Java to work in Lubuntu 12.04?
[18:12] <venik212> I installed the various java packages, but no go
[18:12] <holstein> share what "no go" looks like
[18:13] <venik212> when I run the test from the java tester, I am told I do not have java
[18:14] <venik212> also, when running TKchess it tells me I have no java
[18:14] <venik212> using chromium or firefox
[18:14] <holstein> venik212: check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[18:14] <bioterror> java makes me sad
[18:15] <bioterror> thank you oracle
[18:15] <bioterror> I miss you Sun Microsystems
[18:15] <holstein> yeah...
[18:17] <venik212> given how pervasive java is, should it work right out of the box with a new OS release?
[18:18] <holstein> yeah?
[18:18] <holstein> its doesnt come with the OS.. and its not made or maintained by any OS really
[18:18] <holstein> maybe if there were a java OS
[18:18] <venik212> ok
[18:19] <bioterror> the license is made that it can only be installed by leeching from Oracle's website
[18:19] <bioterror> if you mean propietary java
[19:16] <melodie_> the package I needed is virtualbox-guest-x11
[19:17] <melodie_> now I can get 1440x1050 and this could get even higher if needed !
[19:17] <melodie_> and the driver used is "vbox"
[19:17] <bioterror> you got another driver than vesa?
[19:17] <bioterror> yep
[19:17] <bioterror> sounds better to me
[19:18] <melodie_> yes, that's perfect !
[19:19] <pcroque> melodie_: how do you change the driver? I'm trying to do the same thing.
[19:20] <pcroque> I already installed virtualbox-guest-x11.
[19:20] <melodie_> if you have xorg.conf remove it
[19:20] <melodie_> go to a tty login, become root or use sudo, restart lightdm
[19:21] <melodie_> then go back to X session, and in the menu there is a gui configuration tool for the size of the screen
[19:21] <melodie_> menu Preferences
[19:23] <pcroque> Hmmm...I don't seem to have an xorg.conf
[19:26] <pcroque> No big deal...it's just for testing 12.04 before installing, so the resolution isn't very important.
[19:29] <aazcod1999> Hello?
[19:30] <holstein> !ask | aazcod1999
[19:32] <aazcod1999> Well, i just got lubuntu because i tried to mess with things on my windows i didnt know how to fix XD , but anyways i really want to play minecraft but everytime i load it , it seems to load each screen SUPER slow and when it gets to the main menu the screen stops (minecraft only) and then like 60 seconds later it updates and the freezes again. what do i do D: and i also have iced tea plugin java 6 & 7 sun's java BTW
[19:36] <holstein> aazcod1999: might want to look at the graphics driver
[19:37] <holstein> try a different one
[19:37] <aazcod1999> how do i change it?
[19:38] <holstein> aazcod1999: depends on what you have and what driver you are using
[19:38] <holstein> aazcod1999: i would have realistic expectations for your hardware too
[19:38] <holstein> i would not expect better performance from linux that windows (graphics wise)
[19:41] <aazcod1999> well i have a nvidia card and im running the newest driver
[19:41] <holstein> aazcod1999: the newest proprietary driver?
[19:41] <holstein> from the repos? or nvidia?
[19:41] <phillw> nvidia are well known not to 'like' linux.
[19:42] <holstein> im not saying this is the issue anyways... its just an avenue to explore while troubleshooting
[19:43] <aazcod1999> how can i change the dirvier?
[19:44] <aazcod1999> driver**
[19:44] <holstein> aazcod1999: depends on which one you have
[19:45] <holstein> aazcod1999: do you have the newest from nvidia? or the newest from the ubuntu repos?
[19:45] <aazcod1999> nvidia
[19:45] <holstein> do you have the proprietary one?
[19:45] <holstein> aazcod1999: right.. which one?
[19:45] <aazcod1999> *looking
[19:45] <holstein> let me get you a wiki page...
[19:45] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual
[19:46] <aazcod1999> idk i got it from additional drivers
[19:46] <aazcod1999> i tried it when the one with the green light(by default) didnt work?
[19:47] <holstein> also, try referencing https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual
[19:47] <holstein> sorry.. http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334
[19:47] <holstein> aazcod1999: i would say this is not going to help much though
[19:48] <aazcod1999> holstein what do you mean?
[19:48] <holstein> aazcod1999: i mean, its probably not going to help
[19:48] <holstein> i dont think its the driver
[19:49] <aazcod1999> what is it then?
[19:49] <aazcod1999> sorry, what do you think it is
[19:49] <holstein> aazcod1999: not sure
[19:49] <holstein> could be the hardware is just too low powered
[19:50] <holstein> could the the driver support for that device just isnt there
[19:50] <aazcod1999> this all ran on my windows and ubuntu
[19:50] <aazcod1999> just not lubuntu
[19:50] <holstein> aazcod1999: ubuntu = lubuntu
[19:50] <holstein> you are running ubuntu right now
[19:50] <aazcod1999> i know
[19:51] <holstein> maybe just a differnt version
[19:51] <holstein> that would be relavant.. a different kernel
[19:51] <holstein> you cant compare the windows installation since the driver support is different
[19:51] <holstein> aazcod1999: if that was ubuntu 11.10, and lubuntu 12.04 is not working, you might consider lubuntu 11.10
[19:52] <aazcod1999> and a lighter, but anyways my internet browser,Chromium just lagged and did it to its like the screen starts to load but loads slowly and the image like loads but its scrooling own loading so; the loading starts from the top
[19:52] <holstein> yup
[19:52] <aazcod1999> and how can i download lubuntu 11.10 and put it on my usb from lubuntu ????? because i dont have acses to any other computers and im a linux noob XD
[19:53] <holstein> you can download it and use unetbootin, or whatever tool you choose
[19:53] <holstein> or use the installation media you used before to install ubuntu and switch it to lubuntu
[19:53] <aazcod1999> i was asking what tool i should use, so just use unetbootin
[19:53] <aazcod1999> and i deleted that a long time ago
[19:54] <holstein> aazcod1999: thats the one i just suggested above
[19:54] <holstein> there are others
[20:05] <Gege71> hello, did anyone upgrade to 12.04 ? how does it come the upgrade manager want to add lot of useless package : bluez, evolution, gnome-themes , ....  i don't want them !
[20:08] <holstein> Gege71: useless is a matter of opinion... you are asking to be upgraded to 12.04, which has a default set of packages which can be removed later
[20:12] <Gege71> holstein: ok, but why install some package if I want to remove them just after ? do you know how to avoid installation of those unwanted package
[20:19] <aazcod1999> how do i download the mtools package for lubuntu inetbootin said i need mtools and 7zip
[20:19] <KM0201> inetbootin?
[20:19] <KM0201> or unetbootin?
[20:20] <aazcod1999> unetbootin sorry
[20:32] <holstein> Gege71: there has to be a "default"
[20:32] <holstein> your default might disclude some packages i want
[20:33] <holstein> aazcod1999: i would just install unetbootin from the repos... sudo apt-get install unetbootin or search in the pacakge manager of your choice
[20:37] <aazcod1999> i already got unetbootin :D im installing lubuntu desktop iso on my usb now :D thanks
[20:46] <Onionnion> I have been at trying to get this done for well over 3 hours now..nVidia drivers.
[20:46] <Onionnion> I have nouveau blacklisted but it still says it's tehre
[20:47] <Onionnion> there*
[20:50] <aazcod1999> well one thing you should know its sorta a law of physics... if something is relavent and THERE it simply cannot NOT be there maybe you need to uninstall it?
[20:51] <Onionnion> excuse me, I'm pretty frustrated as this is an issue that keep hitting me everytime I install a different distro or anything
[20:51] <aazcod1999> Well i dont exactly know your problem and i dont know if i can help but usually google helps unless you have a problem like i had and it could be 1000's of things
[20:53] <Onionnion> I think I got help in ##linux
[20:57] <Dorito2> hi
[20:57] <Dorito2> where can i download lubuntu ?
[20:58] <Rullakeebab> http://tinyurl.com/GetLubuntu
[20:58] <THEJUICEBOX> Dorito2: well lubuntu is hard to find to download but you can go to cnet.com or ubuntu.com and look there
[20:59] <aazcod1999> no juicebox
[20:59] <THEJUICEBOX> huh
[20:59] <aazcod1999> its quite easy. i just googled, " lubuntu" and it takes you to the lubuntu-ubuntu extenison and there is a downloads page there :D
[20:59] <Unit193> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/precise/release/
[20:59] <Unit193> Easy.
[21:00] <THEJUICEBOX> what you did, did it take you to the lubuntu page?
[21:04] <THEJUICEBOX> well i had to download PenDrive and boot it from mu USB
[21:07] <Dorito2> do u have orange juice in your box please ?
[21:12] <THEJUICEBOX> no it's apple favor
[21:19] <THEJUICEBOX> what is the best browser to use
[21:20] <Unit193> !best
[21:20] <Rullakeebab> dunno but i like chrome
[21:21] <THEJUICEBOX> ok name some of the best
[21:21] <Rullakeebab> :D
[21:22] <THEJUICEBOX> :(
[21:24] <THEJUICEBOX> how do i get the right format for Opera browser, and who know about Maxthox browser?
[21:48] <melodie_> hi, in Lubuntu, there is a bug with UCK
[21:48] <THEJUICEBOX> UCK???
[21:48] <melodie_> when starting it from the menus the lxterminal starts, but no prompt, no message all empty
[21:49] <melodie_> yes that's wht I said
[21:49] <melodie_> look with "apt-cache show uck"
[21:50] <melodie_> then if I start it from another console with the exact command found in it's desktop file, "uck-gui --wait-before-exit" it works, and I get the first menu displayed in lxterminal
[21:50] <melodie_> where should I say about it ?
[21:50] <melodie_> is there a dev chan ?
[21:53] <Unit193> !bug
[21:55] <m4t> hey, is this a problem?: (polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:3241): polkit-gnome-1-WARNING **: Failed to register client: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files
[21:56] <m4t> without installing gnome-session
[21:59] <m4t> also, is there a way to get mounted drives to show up on the desktop?
[22:39] <kanliot> m4t you can get mounted drives to show up
[22:39] <kanliot> but not automatically i beleive
[22:39] <kanliot> so it not useful at all if i understand correctly
[22:40] <kanliot> actucaly m4t i also get that gdbus.error:
[22:40] <kanliot> its annoying as hell
[22:40] <kanliot> i would love to fix it
[23:21] <melodie_> good night


 The following packages will be REMOVED: …   kde-style-qtcurve-qt5
 Anybody else experiencing issues with task switcher.  Once box is very slow (Large Icon mode) and a quick alt-tab is lost entirely.
 On another box, I get this error: The Window Switcher installation is broken, resources are missing. … Contact your distribution about this.
 I can switch active windows, but no feedback from the Window Switcher.
[03:18] <valorie> quick as a flash here, on disco
[03:18] <valorie> but I get the same error!
[03:18] <valorie> still works though
 yep
 both systems work, but one that does not flag/warn behaves slowly/intermittently.
[03:24] <carbonzero> hello devs!
 hey carbonzero, I don't think any devs are active at the moment.
[03:30] <valorie> @DarinMiller you are a developer!
[03:31] <valorie> but the leads are sleeping I hope
[03:31] <valorie> that was a new tester
[03:32] <valorie> which is timely
 :)
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[08:46] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » master build #2883: SUCCESS in 1 min 39 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=master/2883/
[08:49] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » swy-01 build #2883: SUCCESS in 4 min 18 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=swy-01/2883/
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:45] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » linode-01 build #2884: SUCCESS in 50 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=linode-01/2884/
[14:46] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » master build #2884: SUCCESS in 1 min 26 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=master/2884/
[14:49] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » swy-01 build #2884: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=swy-01/2884/
[22:42] <clivejo> Hi folks, quite a serious regression in akonadi making it slow WAY down if you have a lot of accounts with a lot of mail in them, affecting 18.12 (which I believe you have in disco) - patches are linked here - https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/distributions/2019-April/000314.html
[22:44] <acheronuk> clivejo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/akonadi/+bug/1822978
[22:44] <acheronuk> clivejo: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3693
[22:44] <acheronuk> will probably finish that off tomorrow
[22:45] <clivejo> good stuff :)
[22:46] <clivejo> which did he mention that?
[22:46] <clivejo> what IRC channel?
[22:46] <acheronuk> clivejo: #kde-devel
[22:47] <clivejo> totally missed that!
[22:48] <acheronuk> clivejo: on Thursday, @ about 10:30 am
[22:49] <clivejo> yeah found it
[22:50] <clivejo> who found the regression?
[22:52] <acheronuk> Luca Beltrame and 'Dan', whowever 'Dan' is!
[22:52] <acheronuk> Daniel Vrátil probably
[22:53] <clivejo> I guess he pinged you directly on there
[22:53] <acheronuk> all I know in in that IRC
[22:53] <acheronuk> clivejo: yeah, me and the archlinux KDE guy
[22:53] <clivejo> thanks for the heads up :P
[22:56] <acheronuk> clivejo: your are welcome. I nagged Luca to do those emails to distros :P
[22:58] <clivejo> well it definitely hogs the akonadi !
 @acheronuk is there any word on my suggestions?
 @MichaelTunnell, I doubt I'll be able to get much or any of it in this release. Too many other things have kept cropping up. 😢
 If that is the case, then will have to try to get things like that in early in 19.10, instead of after feature freeze.
 no problem, just wanted to check in. No rush
 I have some more to suggest for 19.10 I suppose :D like Alt+Space should not be KRunner . . . no idea who decided that but thats not good since every other DE even Windows uses Alt+Space for the window context menu (the thing that Alt+F3 loads)
 Super+Space should be KRunner because that just makes sense. Alt is usually to affect Application Windows. Ctrl affects the content inside a Window. Super is more universal. … Plus Super+Space would be close to Super launching the main menu so it just makes sense. … Alt+Space doesnt make any sense to be fighting a standard


[13:13] <xu-irc77w> Hello I have problem with installing matploitb, there is freetype2 which i installed through brew. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CVymJwYsTH/
[13:17] <meleh> Anyone ?
[13:28] <tomreyn> !ask | meleh
[13:28] <tomreyn> oh, i missed that this question was yours, sorry
[13:29] <tomreyn> this looks more like a (home)brew question, though
[13:30] <tomreyn> you'll have more luck here when you have questions regarding packages
[20:04] <xu-help47w> Hi! I'm trying to create HDD image that could install Xubuntu on itself without my attention.


[03:59] <lifeless> wow quiet day
[04:00] <beuno> we're all coding away before 1.0 closes  ;)
[04:08] <Peng> I'm pinging out. :)
[04:08] <lifeless> ;)
[04:17] <lifeless> Peng: thanks for your patch to the docs; it's been merged I believe.
[04:23] <Peng_> Lagggg.
[04:23] <Peng_> lifeless: :)
[04:23] <Peng_> 34.7s!
[04:24] <lifeless> Peng_: :)
[04:24] <lifeless> Peng_: did you see what I said ?
[04:24] <Peng_> "thanks for your patch ...", yes.
[04:24] <Peng_> Nothing after that.
[04:25] <lifeless> that was all
[04:31] <Peng__> Jesus!
[04:42] <Peng> Sighhh.
[04:43] <lifeless> lagathon?
[09:48] <dato> abentley: yeah, thanks
[11:47] <AfC> How come `bzr gdiff` doesn't work if multiple files are given as arguments?
[11:49] <jelmer> AfC, simply hasn't been implemented yet
[11:49] <AfC> jelmer: k
[11:49] <AfC> jelmer: do you need a bug for that?
[11:50] <jelmer> AfC: please
[11:50] <AfC> Fine.
[11:50] <AfC> I've actually been meaning to try and get into the gdiff code
[11:50] <AfC> I'm not much for pygtk, but there are a couple of behaviours I want to recommend changing
[11:52] <AfC> [*every* single time I run it I a) maximize, then b) drag the Paned divider to give it enough room to show me the file names, then c) move from "combined" to first file.]
[11:52] <AfC> [getting a bit tedious]
[12:03] <jelmer> there has been some talk about what to do with the diff window
[12:03] <jelmer> perhaps we could call out to meld or something like that
[12:03] <AfC> jelmer: (meld?)
[12:04] <jelmer> meld.sf.net
[12:04] <AfC> I came across some neat code in devhelp relating to remembering previous maximized-or-not state and acting accordingly to restore it on new instantiation.
[13:04] <sverrej> but I can try to unbind
[13:04] <sverrej> or check out again
[13:04] <sverrej> thanks!
[13:05] <lifeless> sverrej: it's a double negative - thats already unbound
[13:05] <mneisen> One question about the new knitpack format: is it possible to automatically delete the obsolete packs in obsolete_packs, or is it even possible to stop bzr putting obsolete packs in there at all?
[13:05] <lifeless> mneisen: they should auto delete; I thought I had merged that
[13:05] <lifeless> I'll check
[13:06] <mneisen> lifeless: I just did a small benchmark with the new format, and i ended up with about 60 megs of files in obsolete_files.
[13:06] <mneisen> lifeless: I use the 0.92rc1 version of bzr.
[13:06] <Enquest> I did a "rm foo.css" how can I bring a file back ... With svn I only needed to do "svn update"
[13:06] <lifeless> mneisen: it's not merged sorry; I have a patch to clean it up though
[13:06] <lifeless> Enquest: bzr revert foo.css
[13:07] <mneisen> lifeless: great news. Hope to see it soon in the released packages ... :-D
[13:07] <lifeless> mneisen: it'll be in 0.93/bzr.dev later today; it's unlikel to be cherry picked into 0.92
[13:07] <mneisen> OK. Thanks anyway ...
[13:08] <mneisen> lifeless: Do you know by any chance when bzr-gtk will be up to speed, i.e. when bzr-gtk can be used with up-to-date bzr packages?
[13:08] <lifeless> you can rm the contents of that dir safely
[13:08] <lifeless> we use it to make operations wit flakey networks safer
[13:08] <mneisen> lifeless:OK, will use rm.
[13:08] <lifeless> just leave the dir itself around
[13:15] <mneisen> lifeless: Anything about bzr-gtk (see above)?
[13:16] <lifeless> it's just been released today
[13:16] <lifeless> so 24 hours probably
[13:19] <mneisen> lifeless: oic, didn't know that it was released today.
[13:19] <mneisen> Thanks!
[15:44] <dato> lifeless: "strict arch limits" (I'm unfamiliar with PAA)
[15:45] <dato> er, PPA (see? :)
[15:45] <siretart> dato: it builds for i386, amd64 and lpia only (well, anything xen supports)
[15:45] <dato> oh, and bazaar-vcs.org has ppc?
[15:47] <lifeless> hope to soon; need to hook it up
[15:47] <siretart> currently amd64 and i386 only
[15:48] <siretart> and I doubt that we'd have a lot of lpia users
[15:48] <lifeless> also I'd like to get rpm's up
[15:48] <siretart> lifeless: aren't there any plans to offer PPAs for debian chroots as well? (no idea about that)
[15:49] <dato> why are debian packages on bazaar-vcs.org anyway?
[15:49] <dato> sid is covered, lenny as usual, and I normally upload backports.
[15:49] <siretart> they used to be undermaintained in the past?
[15:49] <dato> plus lifeless could do any of those uploads if/when necessary.
[15:49] <siretart> oh, I forgot backports. thanks dato!
[15:50] <dato> (and backports is autobuilt these days)
[15:50] <lifeless> dato: debian waits for releases
[15:50] <lifeless> bazaar-vcs.org uploads beta's
[15:50] <dato> lifeless: rc
[15:50] <dato> sid gets rcs
[15:51] <dato> and lenny, they'd migrate if there was time :)
[15:51] <lifeless> It didn't in the past;
[15:51] <dato> yeah, I'm just talking about the present
[15:51] <siretart> lifeless: we do since the pkg-bazaar team got into shape
[15:51] <lifeless> but more importantly, when debian next starts to release it will probably stop taking bzr versions
[15:51] <lifeless> when the UVF kicks in.
[15:51] <lifeless> It's true that this may be next decade :)
[15:52] <siretart> there is backports.org for stable and oldstable
[15:52] <dato> (I'm personally not uploading for oldstable atm)
[15:53] <lifeless> siretart: and it's great the team is in shape - I'm in it too :)
[15:53] <dato> lifeless: anyway, I'm not unhappy in any way, just wondering.
[15:53] <lifeless> the basic thing is that the bazaar-vcs.org is geared around bzr's release cycle; even sid is geared around debians release ccle, so we need something for bzr enthusiasts during debian stabilisation.
[15:54] <lifeless> (this is why we have ubuntu debs too)
[15:54] <lifeless> the ubuntu one is much more visible because its 6 monthly
[15:58] <lifeless> I'd also like to get daily builds up; its on my todo
[15:58] <lifeless> we had them for baz and users lovd them
[16:18] <pattern> i'd like to put keep some of my system configuration files in /etc under revision control... so should i do something like "mkdir /etc/bzr ; cd /etc/bzr ; bzr init ; cd /etc"  ?
[16:19] <pattern> and then, how would i add, say, /etc/make.conf to my new /etc/bzr repository?
[16:19] <pattern> oops
[16:19] <pattern> oh, that's right... i thought i mistyped that question
[16:19] <pattern> but it's typed correctly :)
[16:21] <pattern> or maybe i should just "cd /etc ; bzr init" and then just "bzr add make.conf" from /etc itself ?
[16:31] <lifeless> statik: where are you ?
[16:47] <nevans> pattern: I simply put my entire /etc dir into bzr.
[16:48] <nevans> cd /etc; sudo bzr init; sudo bzr add; sudo bzr commit -m "version controlled /etc"
[16:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi there, I am using bzr-gtk found in ubuntu gutsy
[16:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and olive does not seem to correctly recognize bzr branches on my disk
[16:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it only shows the directories and not the files, and offers disabled menu entries for handling the branch
[16:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> how do I open a branch with olive? And how do I bookmark it?
[16:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it's such a simple program that you easily exhaust all the possible operations :)
[17:29] <pattern> nevans: nice :)
[17:29] <pattern> the only thing is that with gentoo, there's a lot of automatic messing with files in /etc
[17:29] <pattern> so i don't want to keep having to commit a ton of changes by hand
[17:30] <pattern> there are handful of files that i edit manually, and those are the ones i really want to keep under bzr's version control
[17:30] <pattern> anyway, the stuff that gentoo messes with itself are automatically kept under RCS version control via dispatch.conf
[17:40] <bialix> luks: hi
[17:40] <luks> hi
[17:40] <bialix> I fixed problem with lock and pack repo in my branch
[17:41] <bialix> I just wonder: when you're planning to release QBzr 0.7.0?
[17:42] <luks> hmm, I guess I could do it over the weekend
[17:42] <bialix> it will be great
[17:42] <nevans> pattern: I just do the whole /etc directory because it's easier.  simply "sudo bzr add; sudo bzr commit", and you're done.  I don't mind that I'm versioning a few extra things that I don't care as much about.
[17:44] <pattern> it's going to be a ton of extra things for me
[17:44] <pattern> on the other hand, when i do a "bzr status", it lists a ton of "unknown" files and directories
[17:45] <nevans> yeah, that's the other reason I do the whole thing... then I know when anything in there changes.
[17:45] <bialix> luks: do you still prefer to file wishes to QBzr in bug tracker?
[17:45] <fullermd> pattern: I version just a few files out of /etc (and /usr/local/etc, and similar places).  I just have '*' in .bzrignore, and manually add the bits I care about.
[17:45] <nevans> fullermd: that makes sense... that's what I do in my home directory.
[17:46] <luks> bialix, yes, since otherwise it's very easy to forget them
[17:46] <nevans> err... the home directory itself ignores .*  ...some of the subdirectories ignore *
[17:47] <nevans> (although... my home directory is actually still using svn, not bzr... and ignores behave a little bit differently in svn)
[17:47] <pattern> ahh... ".bzrignore" ... i should look in to that :)
[17:47] <bialix> luks: ok, because I have 2 new items to wishlist: search in qlog and working with tags in qlog window
[17:47] <luks> search in qlog was on my unwritten todo list already
[17:48] <luks> but please add it anyway
[17:48] <luks> it's better to have all ideas on one place
[17:48] <bialix> can we collaborate on search feature sometime?
[17:49] <luks> I haven't touched the code for a while, so I'm not sure when I'll have time and motivation to work on it
[17:49] <bialix> ok
[17:50] <luks> I usually add new features only when something really annoys me or I'm really bored :)
[17:50] <bialix> me usually too
[18:54] <Jamon> is there a way to uncommit a specific commit out of order?
[18:54] <Jamon> perhaps undo changes is a better way of saying it
[18:54] <lifeless> not really; there is a way to merge it out - to reverse it. But it is part of the written history so it can't be removed without rbeaking referntial integrity
[18:55] <lifeless> so - 'bzr merge -r234..233 .'
[18:55] <lifeless> that will remove commit 234 for you
[18:55] <lifeless> (you need to commit after that naturally)
[18:56] <Jamon> i made a commit that changed mysql functions to pgsql, now later on i just want to switch back to mysql... so bzr merge -r will allow me to do that?
[19:03] <lifeless> yes
[19:04] <Jamon> whats the diff between that and revert?
[19:04] <lifeless> revert undoes all changes to the selected paths from the revision forward
[19:05] <lifeless> spiv: reconcile on launchpad is up to 4.5Gb and no progress marker yet
[19:06] <Jamon> so revert is full sequential, and merge is from points out of sequence
[19:07] <lifeless> yes
[21:52] <dodijk> Hello! Does anybody have any experience with using bazaar on a branch on a hfsplus filesystem? I get permission errors (on .bzr/branch-format) when trying to add files. Moving the branch to ext3 fixes this...
[22:04] <dato> dodijk: maybe jam-laptop knows about that, but he doesn't seem to be around right now
[22:06] <dodijk> data: ok, i'll try again some other time
[23:28] <nir> Is there a shortcut to create a new branch WITH the current changes in the tree?
[23:29] <beuno> nir, uncommited ones?
[23:33] <nir> yea
[23:34] <beuno> nir, I don't think you can do that with bzr, no. As far as I can tell, bzr brings in the repository and restores the working tree from it
[23:34] <beuno> rsync would work though
[23:34] <fullermd> branch ; merge --uncommitted
[23:34] <beuno> ah, there you go
[23:35] <beuno> I learn new things here everyday...
[23:35] <nir> great
[23:35] <nir> although branch --uncommitted would be even nicer
[23:37] <beuno> nir, you can file a bug requesting it. Unless fullermd has a good reason why not to have it
[23:38] <nir> its a feature request, not a bug
[23:40] <beuno> nir, right, it would be wishlist, I don't believe there is something specific for feature requests in Launchpad
[23:40] <beuno> blueprints seem like and overkill, and I believe they don't have "states" so you would know when it gets implemented


[02:11] <bryce> ogasawara, thanks for the kernel for bug 419264 - I'm testing it now, so far so good
[02:11] <ubot3`> Malone bug 419264 in linux "Uses 100% CPU with latest mesa/libdrm update" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419264
[02:12] <ogasawara> bryce: ok cool.  let me when your finished with the testing and assume the results are good, I'll submit for inclusion in karmic.
[02:13] <bryce> will do
[02:14] <bryce> ogasawara, btw, we'll be discussing this bug at the 9:30am desktop team meeting tomorrow, in case you would be interested in poking your head in.
[02:14] <ogasawara> bryce: sure, I'll try and sit in.  I have a ubuntu dev week class I have to teach at 10am so may have to drop out.
[06:02] <ericm> anyone knows how to extract the initramfs from a zImage binary?
[06:02] <jk-> ericm: not off the top of my head, but should be doable with a couple of 'objcopy's
[06:03] <ericm> y, I think so - wondering if there is simple command for that
[06:26] <jjohansen> ericm: if the initramfs in builtin to the kernel it is in the section .init.ramfs
[06:26] <jjohansen> readelf should give you the ranges to grab
[06:26] <ericm> jjohansen: ok, let me try
[06:27] <jjohansen> and then you should just be able to cpio --extract the data
[06:30] <ericm> objdump reported not recognized file format - stumped - weird image binary
[06:32] <jjohansen> is it gziped?
[06:33] <jjohansen> what does head of the file show, or if that is garbage head <file> | hexdump -C
[06:34] <ericm> let me see
[06:35] <ericm> if that's gziped, 'file' should give me some hints
[06:35] <ericm> 00000000  00 00 a0 e1 00 00 a0 e1  00 00 a0 e1 00 00 a0 e1  |................|
[06:35] <ericm> *
[06:35] <ericm> 00000020  02 00 00 ea 18 28 6f 01  00 00 00 00 24 1e 12 00  |.....(o.....$...|
[06:35] <ericm> 00000030  01 70 a0 e1 02 80 a0 e1  00 20 0f e1 03 00 12 e3  |.p....... ......|
[06:36] <ericm> mmm... this makes sense - the 00 00 a0 e1 stands for a jump instruction in ARM - and that's where the vectors are
[06:37] <jjohansen> yeah, extracting from that is not going to as straight forward as an elf
[06:38] <ericm> yes - the final zImage of ARM did append some raw code ahead - just like head.S in x86
[06:39] <ericm> I guess I have to find out the original source instead of dis-section this binary into known pieces
[06:40] <jk-> you could find the gzip header, and extract from there on
[06:41] <jk-> 0x1f 0x8b, I think
[06:59] <ericm> jk-: that's useful, I extract a gz file from there, however, 'file' still thinks it's a 'data' file, but it looks a bit closer :)
[07:01] <ericm> I doubt that's a correct 0x1f 0x8b - since there are many of them - but at least looks like a most correct one to me, though
[07:18]  * amitk wonders what ericm and jjohansen are upto
[07:19]  * jjohansen has no idea what ericm is up to
[07:19]  * jjohansen is looking at config diffs for xen
[07:20]  * ericm gave up dissection that binary
[08:31] <amitk> ikepanhc: when you send a multi-patch series, could you consider using the --in-reply-to option of git-send-email? That makes sure that 1/n...n/n come as a reply to 0/n and the email client keeps them together.
[08:31] <amitk> ikepanhc: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/262954/ is a script that I use to ease that process.
[08:32]  * ikepanhc reading
[08:32] <ikepanhc> amitk: thanks, I remember you have told me once before
[08:34] <amitk> ikepanhc: it just makes it easier to follow threads.
[08:34] <ikepanhc> amitk: got it
[08:38] <ericm> anyone knows if grub is able to run on top of an existing kernel and load another kernel via kexec?
[08:38] <amitk> ericm: why do you want grub to kexec to another kernel? the old kernel can do so itself.
[08:40] <ericm> this way - the old way of kernel loading by grub - let's say config files and kernel build scripts (grub hooks) needn't be changed?
[08:41] <ericm> grub is actually runnable as an individual console application - just wondering if kexec can be added
[08:41] <amitk> I am not sure what you are trying to do. But from Karmic onwards (?) we use kexec in our reboot init scripts. /etc/init.d/kexec*
[08:42] <ericm> OK, let me take a look
[09:07] <amitk> smb: what does PREFIX do in printk(KERN_INFO PREFIX ....);
[09:07] <smb> amitk, ADD a "ACPI: "
[09:08] <amitk> ok
[09:19] <shobhit> can any one tell me where do i find this flag named as "PSEUDO_RANDOMLY_DISCHARGE_BATTERY" ?I need to set this flag to 0 during recompilation.
[09:20] <shobhit> I heard that by setting this to 0 and recompiling the kernel,i will get a better battery life.
[09:20] <amitk> shobhit: please don't depend on slashdot.org for your daily dose of technology. :)
[09:22] <shobhit> amitk: Is it so?but why?
[09:22] <amitk> shobhit: because someone was making a joke there.
[09:23] <shobhit> amitk : what?are you sure about that?
[09:23] <amitk> Doesn't the name PSEUDO_RANDOMLY_DISCHARGE_BATTERY tell you so?
[09:26] <shobhit> Oh!!! you are right i guess....:-)
[09:28] <shobhit> and can you suggestl me any method to increase the battery life in ubuntu 9.04?
[09:29] <amitk> shobhit: use powertop and follow its suggestions. If you are happy with them, then make them permanent by putting in /etc/rc.local
[09:33] <shobhit> amitk: thnx... :-)
[09:58] <AnAnt> Hello, is there hope that this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/417748 gets implemented in karmic ?
[09:58] <ubot3`> Malone bug 417748 in linux "Please enable CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS" [Medium,Triaged]
[10:06] <amitk> AnAnt: That is a deprecated kernel feature. The application should be fixed to use the new way to probe usb devices. Hence I am loathe to fix it in karmic
[10:07] <AnAnt> will it hurt to enable the feature in karmic ?
[10:07] <amitk> But I'll send a patch to fix it if you promise to contact the application writer to fix their apps
[10:08] <amitk> AnAnt: applications don't get fixed if we keep supporting old features forever. I'll send a patch recommending that this be enabled for Karmic only.
[10:10] <AnAnt> ok, I'm finding out how to contact them
[10:14] <AnAnt> amitk: ok, do you know what I should tell them ?
[10:16] <AnAnt> amitk: I mean, what's the new way to probe usb devices (if you can provide any links...)
[10:17] <amitk> AnAnt: tell them that USB_DEVICEFS is now deprecated and they should use libusb and udev to probe for usb devices
[10:17] <AnAnt> amitk: thanks
[10:17] <amitk> I've made some comments on the bug if you want to point them to it
[10:32] <AnAnt> thanks, I've submitted a service request there !
[12:11] <smulcahy> hi, i'm having problems getting the forcedeth module to use options at boot-time (using 8.10). I've put them in /etc/modprobe.d/options but they seem to get ignored.
[12:11] <smulcahy> Do I need to do anything special to pass options to a kernel module in 8.10 ?
[13:18] <amitk> hmm, where did the rebase-branch script disappear?
[13:20] <smb> amitk, After getting rid of all-including-debian and having moved to debian.* there was no need for it anymore
[13:37] <amitk> we still require to rebase the branches, I guess they are to be done manually
[13:41] <smb> Yes, but as branch specific things are in a directory which is independent from the main branch. A simple git rebase should work without too much trouble
[13:49] <NCommander> bjf-afk, ping, do you know if a kernel upload is planned before A5 for dove?
[15:55] <haruspexed> hei, 2.6.31rc8 fails with dkms at nvidia 185.18.14 module build with "bad exit status:10"... is that kernel fault or mine? :/
[16:11] <SlickT10> Hey guys, Ive exuasted every resource on this issue. Ive run out of leads, and have no idea where to go next. Im not expecting you guys to have to give me support on this one, but maybe at least point me in the right direction. It is important that I get this working. The question has been posted at: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/81460. No one in the #ubuntu support channel even notice my inquiries, i think thats due to the highl
[16:21] <amitk> SlickT10: it is better to file a bug in launchpad since IRC makes a very bad bug tracker. answers.lp.net allows you to create a bug out of this very easily.
[16:21] <mjg59> It's a bug in the kernel, probably in pciehp
[16:22] <mjg59> Likely to be related to the firmware tables in the Mac
[16:24] <SlickT10> hmm,
[16:24] <mjg59> Might be acpiphp, though
[16:25] <mjg59> File a bug with the full dmesg output
[16:25] <SlickT10> ok
[16:25] <SlickT10> thanks
[16:25] <SlickT10> i finally now have a next step
[16:26] <junior1> help with kernel issue...  My CPU locks up and gives me flashing scroll and caps lock... any ideas??
[16:26] <mjg59> SlickT10: Any time something straightforward doesn't work without you having to try to reconfigure stuff, file a bug
[16:27] <SlickT10> ok, not just put it answers.launchpad
[16:27] <SlickT10> im at work right now, but during lunch ill post it as a bug with full dmesg
[16:32] <smb> junior1, That is a kernel panic. If you can repeatedly get into this state you might switch to a console before this happens to see the error message
[16:33] <smb> mjg59, Do you thing acpi=noirq might be worthwhile to try for SlickT10 ?
[16:35] <mjg59> smb: Worth a go, but if it's using acpiphp then I suspect it still won't have a lot of luck in finding an IRQ
[16:37] <SlickT10> ill try that, but I think I may have already tried that one
[16:40] <smb> If it is acpiphp there seems to be a debug option... acpiphp.debug=1
[18:19] <EagleScreen> hi
[18:19] <EagleScreen> are we on kernel bug day session?
[19:00] <ogra> bjf, http://paste.ubuntu.com/263307/ :(
[19:00] <ogra> lots and lots of that in my dmesg
[19:01] <bjf> ogra, sigh
[19:01] <ogra> yeah
[19:01] <ogra> its under heavy load though
[19:02] <ogra> i havent seen it before
[19:02]  * ogra is building webkit atm ... running since about 6h
[19:02] <ogra> system is permanently at 100% CPU
[19:51] <JFo> ogasawara, I am once again available for bug work
[19:52] <ogasawara> JFo: sweet!  good timing, today is a bug day.
[19:52] <JFo> oh excellent
[19:52] <JFo> :)
[19:52] <ogasawara> JFo: take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/BugDay/20090901
[19:52] <JFo> ok
[19:53] <ogasawara> JFo: that'll just explain what we're focusing on for the bug day today and eventually point you at http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/kernel-bugday/20090901.html
[19:53] <JFo> okey dokey
[19:53] <ogasawara> JFo: the Community section could definitely use some help
[19:54] <JFo> right, I'll start looking at that then
[19:54] <ogasawara> JFo: awesome, lemme know if you have any questions
[19:54] <JFo> I certainly will
[20:16] <rtg> ogasawara, Linus picked up Anholt's i915 fence patch already.
[21:13] <ogasawara> rtg: ah cool, then disregard that pull request
[21:14] <rtg> ogasawara, too late, but it should be ok
[23:55] <tewk> looking for the latest suspend/resume debugging guide for karmic.


[02:35] <Guest31273> hey, guys. anyone know how to uninstall an application here on Ubuntu-Mate?
[03:52] <Gallomimia> uh, well i usually apt on the command line
[03:53] <Gallomimia> but with the same utility you installed it, usually works
[07:12] <inerkick> Hi guys. My Ubuntu mate wifi doesn't work. Kindly help.
[07:13] <alkisg> Does it work under any linux distribution?
[07:14] <inerkick> it used to work when i had 14.04
[07:14] <inerkick> I did try in Manjaro and Puppylinux, it was working
[07:15] <inerkick> now I got 17.10
[07:15] <inerkick> Ubuntu mate
[07:16] <inerkick> It wasn't even working on 16.05, and all up versions
[07:17] <alkisg> If it is a kernel driver issue, it may affect all kernels
[07:17] <alkisg> So it would be useful to try other flavors or distros with recent kernels
[07:17] <alkisg> If you see that it's working in any distro with e.g. 4.10+ kernel, then it's an ubuntu issue...
[07:18] <alkisg> If not, it's a kernel issue, to be reported against the linux-kernel package
[07:18] <alkisg> Which kernel did Manjaro have?
[07:18] <inerkick> So bad
[07:18] <alkisg> The kernel is millions of lines of code, regressions happen all the time
[07:18] <alkisg> Then people report them, and some of them get solved...
[07:19] <inerkick> i did report on ubuntu and their forum and various of their channels. But I have seen this issue has been like since pretty long time and no one is addressing it, alkisg
[07:20] <alkisg> inerkick: you need to find the proper place to report it
[07:20] <alkisg> To the persons that write that part of the code
[07:20] <alkisg> if it affects all distributions, then of course you should not report it to ubuntu
[07:20] <alkisg> But to the kernel bugzilla
[07:20] <alkisg> That's why I'm suggesting that you test in different distributions with recent kernels first
[07:21] <alkisg> For example, I discovered a kernel bug 2 weeks ago. People were suggesting that I should file it in Ubuntu. But I know that if I file kernel issues there, they won't get solved. So I reported it upstream to the kernel, and it got solved in 5 days.
[07:22] <alkisg> And it will be solved for all distros, not just ubuntu...
[07:22] <inerkick> true
[07:22] <inerkick> it wasn't issue on like even Lxle, i tested it today
[07:22] <alkisg> So it works on lubuntu?
[07:23] <alkisg> Ah lxle, didn't know that one
[07:23] <alkisg> Which kernel does that have?
[07:23] <alkisg> uname -r tells you the kernel version
[07:24] <inerkick> but in lxle it was working on 16.05 version
[07:24] <inerkick> on Manjaro xfce 17.02, It was working, and lxle 16.04 wifi was working
[07:25] <alkisg> There's no 16.05 version
[07:25] <alkisg> Maybe you mean 16.04...
[07:25] <alkisg> There are 3 different kernels in 16.04: in 16.04.1 kernel is 4.4, in 16.04.2 kernel is 4.8, and in 16.04.3 kernel is 4.10
[07:25] <alkisg> So you need to compare
[07:25] <alkisg> uname -r
[07:26] <alkisg> For example the bug that I was mentioning above, happened after kernel 4.11 and before kernel 4.12
[07:27] <inerkick> currently i'm using ubuntu mate and connected with mobile's internet using a cable. and I got 4.12.0-11-generic kernel
[07:27] <inerkick> i am trying to open distro watch to check the kernel of both manjaro and lxle but it's so weak internet i got
[07:28] <alkisg> You can't easily check via the internet, because 16.04 has 3 kernels
[07:28] <alkisg> It will be the same in lxle too, 3 kernels
[07:28] <alkisg> You should best boot it and run uname -r
[07:28] <alkisg> And then mention that "my card works in these kernels and doesn't work in these kernels"
[07:28] <inerkick> ok
[07:28] <inerkick> i will check for sure
[07:28] <alkisg> For example, if you install 4.12 in lxle, it may stop working
[07:31] <inerkick> i can't compare on distrowatch isnt? alkisg
[07:33] <inerkick> like i was checking https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lxle and  https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=manjaro
[08:41] <inerkick> hI alkisg http://paste.ubuntu.com/25712579/ this is the versions of kernel i got
[08:47] <alkisg> inerkick: so maybe your card works until kernel 4.9, and it doesn't work in kernel 4.12
[08:47] <alkisg> There's a wiki page in ubuntu describing how to test other kernel versions
[08:47] <alkisg> So, test with 4.4
[13:37] <mate|20411> hi
[13:37] <mate|20411> haw are you
[13:37] <mate|20411> ar you okey
[13:37] <mate|20411> hay alguien aki
[15:06] <swift110-phone> hey
[15:15] <baimafeima> any Samba experts here?
[16:10] <NoCode> Hey anyone around?
[16:11] <NoCode> Trying to setup my printer, there's no "Printers" icon in Control Center.
[16:13] <NoCode> Using 16.04
[16:13] <nemo> hiya
[16:14] <nemo> woah.
[16:14] <nemo> where's system-config-printer ??
[16:15] <nemo> NoCode: you're right. I was expecting to find it under System → Preferences
[16:15] <nemo> what the heck
[16:15] <nemo> has someone screwed w/ the .desktop file recently, making it no longer appear in menus correctly?
[16:15] <nemo> let's see...
[16:15] <nemo> NoCode: (wonder if it's a gnome3/mate conflict)
[16:15] <NoCode> I actually installed KDE > MATE
[16:16] <NoCode> BUT, this is an old install. Very old.
[16:16] <NoCode> So don't take what I say to be 100%
[16:16] <nemo> mine is really old too.
[16:16] <nemo> but it was there until recently
[16:17] <nemo> wonder if it needs a new mate-foo .desktop file
[16:17] <NoCode> I wonder if I should install system-config-printer-common, system-config-printer-gnome. I guess one at a time to see what it pulls in.
[16:18] <NoCode> system-config-printer-udev is installed already
[16:18] <nemo> oh duh
[16:18] <nemo> System → Administration → Printers
[16:18] <nemo> maybe I just forgot and was always there
[16:19] <NoCode> nothing here
[16:19] <nemo> NoCode: maybe you overrode it in your .local...
[16:19] <nemo>  check in a clean user?
[16:21] <nemo> the division between System → Preferences and System → Administration always seemed a bit arbitrary to me
[16:21] <nemo> and. hardly anything is under "Administration" so I forget to look there
[16:22] <nemo> Gnome Disks is under Preferences but gparted under Administration - even though they are very similar tools ☺
[16:23] <NoCode> bahaha, I just went into KDE config manager thing and added it from there. :|
[16:23] <nemo> oh heh
[16:23] <nemo> why not MATE's ? ☺
[16:24] <nemo> right click on menu, choose edit...
[16:24] <nemo> maybe you'd even see it had been disabled
[16:24] <nemo> but oh well whatev
[16:35] <NoCode> Nothing in the menu editor has printers. :D
[16:37] <NoCode> nemo, Oh, hey! it was system-config-printer-gnome
[16:42] <nemo> O_o
[16:42] <nemo> whaaat
[16:42] <nemo> hm
[16:42] <nemo> time to ask apt where mine comes from
[16:43] <NoCode> printer queue in the menu does not come up either. lol.