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[12:17] <Riddell> hmm, right
[12:18] <Hawkwind> Hmmm, there is a way you can change the images there but I don't remember how
[12:18] <Hawkwind> Riddell: Looks like you can only actually register as a Ubuntu user, but you can change images and get a Kubuntu image for forums and things
[12:23] <Hawkwind> Riddell: The person I was referring to was trappist
[12:24] <Hawkwind> Figured I'd just tell you here since the emails keep being rejected for some strange reason
[01:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: it looks like the first issue with openwengo is getting a tarball.....
[02:02] <bddebian> Howdy
[02:05] <nixternal> i think konversation needs a new default color scheme in edgy ;)
[02:27] <TheBearded1_> i have a bug to report, and a couple questions about usability
[02:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdesu still fails here, even after reinstall kdebase-bin...
[02:32] <Tonio_> I just restarted kde to be sure, but it still wants to talk to su
[02:34] <TheBearded1_> Tonio_: where can I sign up for kubuntu development?
[02:34] <TheBearded1_> is there any shortage of kubuntu developers?
[02:35] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: there is no "signup"
[02:35] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: need any info on how it works in fact ?
[02:36] <Tonio_> the structure etc ???
[02:39] <TheBearded1_> well, i've tried this before and I just couldn't get into it (not I didn't want to, but nobody would let me package anything/touch existing packages)
[02:39] <Tonio_> hum, strange
[02:39] <Tonio_> okay let's resume the thing
[02:39] <Tonio_> everything starts with contribution
[02:39] <Tonio_> there is no signup
[02:39] <TheBearded1_> but I installed edgy a couple days ago, and I'm really liking what it's shaping up to be
[02:40] <Tonio_> you have dozens of way to contribute (packaging, docs, debugging etc...)
[02:40] <TheBearded1_> well I'd like to start my contributions by getting knetworkmanager to be a package installed from the very beginning
[02:40] <Tonio_> best place if you wanna start is this channel, since you can easilly find people to sponsor your work
[02:40] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: hehe, we'll rediscuss about knetworkmanager :) it is a complicated issue
[02:41] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: when you have done significant contribution, you can apply to become kubuntu-member
[02:41] <TheBearded1_> I figured it had atleast discussed before, what was the decision about knetworkmanager, or rather, why was it not decided on, it or some other network manager?
[02:42] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: the problem with knetworkmanager is that all wifi cards linux drivers are not wext compatible
[02:42] <TheBearded1_> NetworkManager only has a wext backend?
[02:42] <Tonio_> so there are people for which (k)networkmanager don't work, while other tools do
[02:43] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: it uses wpa_supplicant
[02:43] <h3sp4wn> wpa_supplicant has multiple backends
[02:43] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: so it has the same limitations, need to be launched with a driver
[02:43] <h3sp4wn> Is kde 3.5.5 definately not going to go into edgy ?
[02:43] <Tonio_> h3sp4wn: yes, it has, but most of the time wext is used by default if your card isn't support by any other driver
[02:44] <Tonio_> h3sp4wn: could be if accepted, we will ask for it to get in
[02:44] <TheBearded1_> are newer driver developers not using wext? I mean, who in their right mind wouldn't code a wireless driver against it?
[02:44] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: there is no "work" needed for knetworkmanager to be shiped by default, just that it needs to be discussed and approved
[02:45] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: there is an effort to go to wext for most drivers
[02:45] <TheBearded1_> and i'm gonna take a guess and say that a discussion started by a newcomer isn't gonna make it happen :( ?
[02:45] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: I think in the near future, we will ship it by default, but that'll probably wait for networkmanager 0.7, with IP settings support
[02:45] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: not everyone uses dhcp so knetworkmanager isn't the perfect solution at the moment
[02:45] <TheBearded1_> is that something being developed upstream right now?
[02:46] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: yes, networkmanager 0.7 is supposed to support this
[02:46] <TheBearded1_> release eta?
[02:46] <TheBearded1_> in time for edgy?
[02:46] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: I agree to the fact knetworkmanager should at least feet on the cd, if not installed
[02:46] <h3sp4wn> What is wrong with wpagui ? its qt and small (and written by the people who write wpasupplicant)
[02:46] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: no it'll be in a few month, probably for edgy +1
[02:47] <TheBearded1_> it's not on by default
[02:47] <TheBearded1_> i think the fact that there's not a user friendly way to configure network devices out of the box should be seen as a bug
[02:47] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: edgy is in post beta state now, so appart from essential components like kde, no updates are allowed, only bugfixing
[02:47] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: If I had to choose, I would ship it :) but I am not the only one to decide :)
[02:48] <Tonio_> I am only the maintainer of knetworkmanager, but that also includes wpa_supplicant, networkmanager, and I can't decide for those
[02:48] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: what are you interested in concerning kubuntu dev ? packaging, coding, bug fixing ?
[02:49] <TheBearded1_> i'd like to do some ui programming
[02:49] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: have some knowledge in QT/kde dev ?
[02:49] <TheBearded1_> packaging.........not a big fan of
[02:49] <Tonio_> we miss UI developpers
[02:50] <TheBearded1_> a lot of c++ experience, and a little qt experience
[02:50] <Tonio_> definitly miss, so there are lots of potential work to do if you want to
[02:50] <TheBearded1_> but i know how to read api docs :)
[02:50] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: well, that could be interesting
[02:50] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: no new development will be done for edgy now, but will for edgy+1
[02:50] <TheBearded1_> yeah i understand that
[02:51] <Tonio_> and that can be started right now
[02:51] <TheBearded1_> if edgy is already locked out for new apps, sounds like it has to in order for a package to make it in
[02:51] <Tonio_> examples : better Adept UI, python/kde application to install packages locally like gdebi
[02:51] <TheBearded1_> yeah i found an adept bug that i'm not sure has been reported (a bug search for adept was huge)
[02:52] <TheBearded1_> I went to install sun-java5-jre through adept the other day
[02:52] <TheBearded1_> BIG mistake
[02:52] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: yes, mornfall is developing it, and most of the time, he is here
[02:52] <TheBearded1_> it got stuck, because aptitude was waiting for the OK on the license agreement
[02:52] <TheBearded1_> so i ended up having to kill adept
[02:52] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: ah you had issues with debconf too ? ;)
[02:53] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: mornfall is searching for help, really
[02:53] <TheBearded1_> so i had to kill it, run dpkg --configure -a, unlock a few databases, reinstall a couple packages, then install sun-java5-jre manually
[02:53] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: if you have experience in C++ and are ready to help, adept is probably THE project that currently needs live
[02:53] <Tonio_> love
[02:54] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: if you feel ready to help on that point, best is to come back tomorow so that we can discuss this with Riddell (kubuntu boss) and mornfall if he is there
[02:54] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: would you be interested in that eventually ?
[02:55] <TheBearded1_> I got a sort of pc load letter error here
[02:55] <TheBearded1_> when i run apt-get source: E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_edgy_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory)
[02:56] <TheBearded1_> i've ran aptitude update a few times, and jacked with my sources.list, but i can't download package sources because of this
[02:56] <Tonio_> hum, never saw that error before....
[02:56] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: tried to remove that file and ran update ?
[02:56] <TheBearded1_> "No such file or directory", it doesn't lie
[02:57] <TheBearded1_> the file doesn't exist
[02:57] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: probably need to recreate your cache
[02:58] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: sudo rm -rf /var/cache/apt/* && sudo mkdir -p /var/cache/apt/archives/partial && sudo apt-get update
[02:58] <Tonio_> that can help, but I'm unsure
[02:59] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: so, could cotribution to adept improvement be interesting for you somehow ?
[03:00] <TheBearded1_> i'd like to help with adept
[03:00] <TheBearded1_> i agree that it needs love
[03:00] <TheBearded1_> it's pretty minimal
[03:00] <Tonio_> mornfall will be happy :)
[03:00] <TheBearded1_> i mean, i have a fresh install of edgy here, and i click on add/remove packages: 5 packages show up in adept
[03:00] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: yes, I agree, for example it should be able to repair the problems (lock file) created after a crash, like synaptic does
[03:01] <TheBearded1_> and for example
[03:01] <TheBearded1_> it just crashed on me
[03:01] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: ahhhhh that's different :)
[03:01] <Tonio_> adept installer is just for the most common apps :)
[03:01] <Tonio_> I was talking about adept-manager
[03:01] <TheBearded1_> oh
[03:01] <Tonio_> that's the complete one, for advanced users
[03:01] <TheBearded1_> common packages == firefox, gaim, menu editor, calculator ??
[03:02] <Tonio_> "add/remove programs" is just for your mother
[03:02] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: there are more packages than this
[03:02] <TheBearded1_> when i click unsupported packages, well there used to be, now it just crashes
[03:02] <Tonio_> you can check "unsuported" and you'll see the full list
[03:02] <TheBearded1_> and if i remember right when I click unsupported it shows a bunch of gnome packages
[03:03] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: you can choose between gnome and kde packages
[03:03] <Tonio_> but yes that needs improvement too
[03:03] <Tonio_> adept is composed of 4 apps :
[03:03] <Tonio_> adept-install, that we can call from scripts to install one package
[03:03] <TheBearded1_> see this is what i want to be able to do, i don't like coming into channels and bitching, i like coming into channels, bitching, fixing it, and then coming back with a patch
[03:04] <Tonio_> hehe I can understand you on that point
[03:04] <Tonio_> the problem is that mornfall is alone to maintain and improve 4 apps.... quite a big job for just a humain personn
[03:05] <Tonio_> he his asking for help for month, so if you can do it, he'll be *very* happy
[03:05] <TheBearded1_> i got pissed at the ubuntu people because i was like "i wanna help i wanna help", so they sent me to this list of a bunch of crappy programs that hadn't been packaged yet
[03:05] <Tonio_> and adept suite is the big thing we have to improve in my opinion
[03:05] <TheBearded1_> and I was like but I want to package this, NO NO NO NO ONLY FROM THE LIST
[03:06] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: yes, indeed, concerning a distro, most of the stuff is packaging
[03:06] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: when was it ?
[03:06] <TheBearded1_> maybe.....6 months ago, 7 at the most
[03:06] <Tonio_> which channel ?
[03:07] <Tonio_> that's strange......... unless you came during a special merging or debugging session, I don't see any reason you can't package want you want to....
[03:07] <TheBearded1_> don't remember exactly, but i really just got the feeling like i was invading into a bunch of 12 year olds' clubhouse, kind of this do our special handshake or leave thing
[03:07] <Tonio_> that's free software ;)
[03:07] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: maybe it was on #ubuntu
[03:07] <Tonio_> and yes, most have 12 years old :)
[03:07] <Tonio_> on -devel channels, that a bit different
[03:08] <Tonio_> well the point is it is 3 am in france, time to bed to me :)
[03:08] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: ready to come backl tomorow so that you can expose your wishes and projects/plans to contribute ?
[03:08] <TheBearded1_> what time, err, and what time zone
[03:08] <Tonio_> can be interesting
[03:09] <TheBearded1_> i can be on, from 8am-5pm Central Timezone US
[03:09] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: when you want, the channel is active between 8 utc to midnight utc
[03:09] <Tonio_> about
[03:09] <Tonio_> that's perfect, I'll be there and most other kubuntu devs too
[03:10] <TheBearded1_> france == UTC+2 than right?
[03:10] <Tonio_> seya tomorow then :)
[03:10] <Tonio_> yes
[03:10] <TheBearded1_> k
[06:20] <Tm_T> whoa
[06:20] <Tm_T> Riddell: you've seen last kdesu commit?
[06:28] <Tm_T> "add --with-sudo-kdesu-backend configure switch
[06:28] <Tm_T> instead of hardcoding stuff in a couple of files"
[06:30] <Tm_T> work ->
[06:33] <nixternal> who broke fglrx again ? grrr
[06:34] <crimsun> probably another missing abi bump?
[06:36] <nixternal> so it seems
[06:36] <nixternal> should be fixed soon im guessing
[07:01] <nixternal> imbrandon: you see the "kde-look.org" bug pop up today for wallpapers?
[07:01] <imbrandon> huh ? no
[07:01] <imbrandon> guess not
[07:12] <nixternal> well, i marked it duplicate of another ;)
[07:17] <Hobbsee> nixternal: heya
[07:18] <nixternal> woohoo...hiya Hobbsee!!!
[07:18] <nixternal> g'day mate!
[07:18] <nixternal> just talked to my daughter's god mother and she said that to me
[07:18] <nixternal> says the weather is just lovely in Sydney right now
[07:19] <Hobbsee> indeed :)
[07:23] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: how'd the kicker bug go?
[08:03] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you're great!  thanks for a working kicker again :D
[08:06] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, hows 3.5.5
[08:06] <imbrandon> ?
[08:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: good, except for the kdesu bug.  everything else works, due to tonio.
[08:08] <freeflying> Hobbsee: ppc's package are ready?
[08:09] <Hobbsee> freeflying: no idea, doubt it
[08:11] <freeflying> Hobbsee: thanks :)
[08:15] <imbrandon> cool , are Tonio_ packages update on kubuntu.org ?
[08:15] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, ^^
[08:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yep.
[08:17] <imbrandon> coll
[08:17] <imbrandon> cool
[09:34] <serzholino> hi! are there any kubuntu-related mailing listst?
[09:35] <serzholino> on kubuntu.org there is no reference to any
[09:36] <abattoir> serzholino: you can find the list at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/
[09:40] <serzholino> oh, thanks. it would be great if this page be accesible from kubuntu.org too.
[09:47] <Lure> kwwii_: btw, thanks for kdm fix for large fonts!
[09:48] <kwwii_> Lure: so it is fixed on your machine?
[09:48] <Lure> kwwii_: yep - it looks nice now!
[09:48] <Riddell> serzholino: they're listed on the support page, where would you expect them to be listed?
[09:49] <kwwii_> Lure: cool, thanks for catching that
[09:49] <Riddell> kwwii_: "kubuntu branded kmenu icon" what plans for that?  I've always left the kmenu icon to be just the kde logo to keep upstream branding strong
[09:50] <Lure> kwwii_: are powermanager icons now final (the one's in svn)? We will probably need to have another upload soon (if we address KUniqueApplication/dcop issue)
[09:50] <Riddell> Lure++ that's on my todo but if someone else wants to take it over please do
[09:50] <Riddell> it's fiddly though
[09:50] <kwwii_> Lure: hehe, actually I started yet another version, but we could use the current ones without major problems, I think
[09:51] <kwwii_> Riddell: I know, that is why I waited till the end to make it :-)
[09:51] <Lure> Riddell: Tonio_ volunteered yesterday
[09:51] <kwwii_> Riddell: if we don't use it, it is no big deal in my opinion
[09:51] <kwwii_> Riddell: but several people have asked for one
[09:52] <Lure> Riddell: it would be good if we would at least include it, even if not by default - so people like me can switch to full Kubuntu look ;-)
[09:52] <Riddell> kwwii_: if we maintain kubuntu-default-settings in bzr would you use that?  i.e. would it make the process easier than e-mailing/irc pinging me
[09:53] <Riddell> Lure: oh we'll definately include it
[09:53] <kwwii_> Riddell: definitely
[09:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok with us maintaining kubuntu-default-settings in bzr under the kubuntu-members launchpad group?
[09:55] <imbrandon> yea i liek the idea of the kmenu using a logo , as there really isnt any other branding on the desktop
[09:56] <imbrandon> but would be good if its easy to change
[09:56] <imbrandon> kwwii_, !!!!!!!!!!11
[09:56] <imbrandon> lol
[09:56] <imbrandon> Riddell, sounds good to me ( w.r.t bzr )
[09:56] <Riddell> imbrandon: system menu icon has a kubuntu logo on it
[09:56] <kwwii_> imbrandon: I think you drank too much mt. dew
[09:56] <imbrandon> kwwii_, haha
[09:57] <imbrandon> Riddell, it does? heh i never seen that untill now ( screen is too small to really be seen ) heh
[09:57] <Riddell> I think I'll have to take lots of irn-bru to the summit so I can wean imbrandon of that mountain dew nonsense
[09:57] <imbrandon> wow , i really never did notice that, but it is good to brand kubuntu imho
[09:58] <imbrandon> irn-bru ?
[09:58] <kwwii_> several people have expressed the desire to see the logo on the wallpaper (which I am totally against)
[09:58] <Riddell> kwwii_: what's wrong with logo on wallpaper?
[09:58] <kwwii_> so maybe having it in the kmenu would be enough
[09:59] <imbrandon> yea i dont like it on the walpaper but the kmenu would be nice as ok we're NOT apple/ms/ubuntu/suse but if you look all of them do it ;)
[10:00] <kwwii_> Riddell: well, a) mark says don't do it b) if we use it, it would have to part of the overall design, not just overlayed on an existing design
[10:00] <imbrandon> infact have you seen the new vista start button ? looks ALOT like KDE ( even the windeco looks like dapper crystal )
[10:01] <imbrandon> have a peek http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/vista.jpg
[10:01] <imbrandon> no more "start" just a logo like KDE/GNOME/Apple
[10:01] <imbrandon> heh
[10:02] <kwwii_> the blue arrows could be from crystal
[10:02] <Riddell> that panel background is a lot like ours
[10:02] <nixternal> is it just me, or is vista gaudy as all hell?
[10:03] <imbrandon> Riddell, yea thats not the default pannel bg for vista, the normal one is transparent
[10:03] <nixternal> the user image is out of place i think
[10:03] <allee> freeflying: Hi, set's see when one of the pkg-kde admins turns up to add you :)
[10:03] <imbrandon> nixternal, thats not the user image, it changes when you hover over an app to the app icon
[10:03] <freeflying> allee: :)
[10:03] <nixternal> ahh, evern more useless...like the freakin' icon isn't enough
[10:04] <imbrandon> yea vista is looking more and more like KDE4 every time i see it
[10:04] <imbrandon> even the address bar, did you notice thats liek the one in KDE4 blogs Riddell
[10:04] <imbrandon> like*
[10:05] <nixternal> to me it looks more and more like windows xp with windowblinds
[10:05] <imbrandon> i wish i still had that link, it was on p.k.o not to long ago
[10:06] <imbrandon> with the address bar mockup
[10:06] <nixternal> for a second i thought that garbage can had a kubuntu logo on it
[10:07] <nixternal> heh, imbrandon, you know that stupid msa logo everyone has been talking about looking like the ubuntu logo?
[10:07] <imbrandon> yes ?
[10:07] <nixternal> i totally forgot about that...the downers grove office where i was at, that was the main project there...we all had t-shirts with that logo and i totally didn't even catch it
[10:08] <imbrandon> and becouse the OS is garbage dosent mean it looks ugly nixternal
[10:08] <nixternal> it looks ugly to me ;)
[10:08] <Riddell> allee: could you add a pointer to your kde extras team page onto the ubuntuWeeklyNewsletter?
[10:08] <nixternal> i shouldn't say ugly, because some of the graphics are nice..but that color scheme is horrid, and it looks cluttered
[10:08] <imbrandon> nixternal, what they dident look at was that the MSA logo predates ubuntu
[10:09] <nixternal> i would be closterphobic running that ;)
[10:09] <nixternal> oh ya..i worked there from 2002-2005, and that was the logo the entire time
[10:10] <nixternal> oh i used to hate those kiosks they had with that too..it had like children of the corn type laughing and giggling
[10:10] <nixternal> freaky stuff
[10:11] <imbrandon> heh
[10:11] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:11] <Hobbsee> scary
[10:11] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, [02:57]  <Riddell> I think I'll have to take lots of irn-bru to the summit so I can wean imbrandon of that mountain dew nonsense
[10:11] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:11] <Hobbsee> hah
[10:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sounds good.
[10:13] <nixternal> hrmm...is that the iron stuff?  my x-wife talked about some funky drink before and it sounds familiar
[10:13] <kwwii_> hehe
[10:13] <kwwii_> Riddell loves it
[10:14] <kwwii_> it tastes like a mt dew which someone put a nail in weeks before, if you ask me :-)
[10:14] <Hobbsee> hah
[10:15] <nixternal> hahahaha
[10:15] <nixternal> ya, that is the iron stuff then
[10:15] <nixternal> that is the exact phrase i think my x said as well
[10:16] <nixternal> im actually drinking mt. dew now, only cuz i ran out of dr. pepper
[10:18] <imbrandon> hum Riddell you know about these qt/non-qt plugins stuff in qt4 ?
[10:18] <imbrandon> err 4.2
[10:18] <imbrandon> quote "Qt 4.2 allows developers to create Qt plug-ins for use with non-Qt applications."
[10:22] <nixternal> g'nite all!
[10:22] <imbrandon> gnight nixternal
[10:24] <Riddell> imbrandon: nope
[10:25] <imbrandon> ahh okies, i was just reading the release feature
[10:25] <imbrandon> s
[10:25] <windshear> Hello
[10:25] <windshear> If you use the install script in kubuntu 6.10 life cd and you have entered all the requested data you get to the -Ready to install- screen. This shows you the summary of the necessary info you provided to install kubuntu. (Language, Keyboard layout... till grub).
[10:25] <windshear> Then there is a note: If you continue, the changes listed below will be written to the disks. [...]
[10:25] <windshear> But unfortunately there are no changes listed below eventhough I told the script to format 2 partitions.
[10:25] <windshear> In 6.06 the changes were listed correctly.
[10:26] <Riddell> windshear: I've seen that, I'll make sure to investigate it before RC
[10:27] <Hobbsee> do we really have a meeting tomorrow? well, your today?
[10:28] <imbrandon> bout ~12 hours
[10:28] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, afraid so
[10:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right...
[10:29] <Riddell> not unless you have stuff on the agenda
[10:29] <Hobbsee> right.  1 agenda item.  poor.
[10:29] <Hobbsee> from Tonio_, not from myself
[10:30] <windshear> Riddell tanks,   so is it gui only? I mean does it format the right partitions?
[10:30] <Hobbsee> apart from that
[10:30] <Riddell> windshear: it does format them yes.  it's curious because the message displays correctly on powerpc.  I'm curious to know if ubuntu/i386 has the same problem
[10:32] <windshear> Riddell I could try it - if you want me to do it-
[10:32] <Riddell> windshear: please, that would be very useful
[10:33] <windshear> Riddell ok, but it takes me some time
[10:36] <kwwii_> http://sinecera.de <--the first version of the basic layout for my new site...ideas?
[10:37] <Riddell> kwwii_: looks totally lovely
[10:38] <kwwii_> Riddell: thanks :-)
[10:38] <imbrandon> kwwii_, looks good man
[10:40] <kwwii_> Riddell: I thought about adding a discussion about the final graphics to the meeting tonight...get a feeling for what is the most important stuff to still include, as well as discuss the website graphics
[10:41] <kwwii_> sound like a good idea or a waste of time?
[10:42] <Riddell> kwwii_: sounds good
[11:03] <windshear> Riddell yes the problem is also in ubuntu 6.10 beta
[11:04] <Riddell> windshear: yay!  means it's not my fault :)
[11:04] <windshear> :)
[11:04] <Riddell> windshear: file a bug on ubiquity then, kamion is usually pretty responsive
[11:05] <windshear> hm, where?
[11:06] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+filebug
[11:08] <windshear> ik, thx
[11:09] <windshear> ik=>ok
[11:09] <windshear> so i report it as a bug in the ubiquity package
[11:10] <Riddell> yes
[11:11] <windshear> ok, reported, its bug  Bug #64142
[11:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64142 in ubiquity "installer - ready to install- screen incomplete" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64142
[11:12] <windshear> but there is another bug in the kubuntu installer that is not present in ubuntu
[11:13] <Riddell> what's that?
[11:13] <windshear> if I select "manually partition table" i get to a screen I can see all the partitions on the harddisk
[11:13] <windshear> I have the following partition table:
[11:14] <windshear> /dev/sda1 ntfs
[11:14] <windshear> /dev/sda2 extended
[11:15] <windshear> /dev/sda5 ntfs in extended
[11:15] <windshear> /dev/sda3 ext3
[11:15] <windshear> /dev/sda4 linux-swap
[11:23] <windshear> no wait
[11:24] <windshear> its correct
[11:24] <windshear> i was confused because of the numbers in front of the partition
[11:25] <windshear> they don't match the partition number
[11:25] <windshear> by the way Riddell, what do you need the partition mumber for
[11:26] <windshear> ubuntu doesn't even display the numbers
[11:29] <sebas> Riddell: Do you have unfilled proposals dor SoC?
[11:30] <sebas> I'm looking for project proposals for CodeYard students
[11:30] <Riddell> windshear: doesn't display where?
[11:30] <Riddell> sebas: yep
[11:30] <sebas> plzsendme! :>
[11:47] <Riddell> sebas: various things in umbrello.  kde version of onboard, port ubiquity to qt 4, port dist-upgrade tool and gdebi to kde
[11:52] <sebas> Riddell: Can I have those proposals, so I present them to our students?
[11:52] <sebas> Maybe someone wants to work on them
[11:52] <Riddell> sebas: I'll write you an e-mail when I get a minute
[11:52] <sebas> Riddell: Cool
[12:28] <GNUro> hi
[12:36] <Riddell> kwwii_: if you're interested, this is going to be the debian wallpaper http://cdd.debian-br.org/~si0ux/artwork/debian/wallpapers/01.png
[12:38] <kwwii_> Riddell: hrm, the logo would look better if it was actually on the velvety background instead of overlayed
[01:22] <windshear> re
[01:23] <windshear> Riddell on the prepare partitions page
[01:30] <Riddell> windshear: what about it?
[01:40] <raphink> "
[01:40] <raphink> Kubuntu Default Settings is now being maintained in bzr with write
[01:40] <raphink> access to anyone in kubuntu-members.
[01:40] <raphink> Riddell: does that mean people who are not developers can modify the package now?
[01:41] <Riddell> raphink: yes, e.g. kwwii_
[01:41] <raphink> hmmm
[01:41] <Riddell> raphink: obviously they can't upload, only core-dev can do that
[01:41] <raphink> yes
[01:41] <raphink> so the dput will only work for core-dev
[01:41] <Riddell> raphink: and if anyone makes any stupid changes we throw them out of kubuntu-members (or just revert and slap wrist)
[01:41] <Riddell> raphink: of course
[01:41] <raphink> hmm I see the point
[01:41] <raphink> can be interesting
[01:42] <Riddell> yes, it's an experiment :)
[01:43] <raphink> :)
[01:43] <raphink> is this part of the NoMoreSourcePackages experiment?
[01:45] <Riddell> raphink: its half way there, the other half I believe is to get rid of dput and have a button on launchpad saying "make this bzr archive into an ubuntu package now"
[01:45] <Riddell> which is a lot less hassle than having essentially two revision control systems (archive and bzr)
[01:47] <imbrandon> arg
[01:47] <imbrandon> Riddell, you ever compile gcc ?
[01:47] <imbrandon> know how i can make it NOT try to strip the binarys when making the debs ?
[01:48] <imbrandon> ( even if its only for me localy )
[01:48] <Riddell> gcc doesn't make debs
[01:48] <imbrandon> no no , making "gcc debs"
[01:48] <imbrandon> not gcc to make debs
[01:48] <Riddell> oh, no idea
[01:48] <Riddell> doko's area
[01:48] <imbrandon> e.g. /usr/bin/strip: Unable to recognise the format of the input file `debian/lib64gcc1-powerpc-cross/usr/powerpc-linux-gnu/lib64/libgcc_s.so.1'
[01:49] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[01:49] <imbrandon> i'll poke him
[01:49] <imbrandon> i'm like <--> this close to have my i386 pbuilder cross compiling for ppc debs
[01:49] <imbrandon> heh if i can fix that one error
[01:50] <imbrandon> so " pbuilder-edgy-ppc build *.dsc " will work or s/ppc/x86/g etc ;)
[01:54] <mhb> good afternoon
[01:57] <imbrandon> heya mhb
[02:03] <Riddell> anyone tried printing with kde 3.5.5?
[02:04] <imbrandon> Riddell, nope but i'm gonna install it this afternoon on the amd64
[02:04] <imbrandon> so i will try then
[02:04] <mhb> I can test it today as well
[02:05] <freeflying> ppc's packages avaliable?
[02:11] <imbrandon> it dont think so yet freeflying
[02:11] <Riddell> freeflying: I'm afraid not
[02:11] <imbrandon> if Riddell says there wont be any changes to the packages today ( with reasonable doubt ) i can start builds on my ibook
[02:11] <imbrandon> it will take most of the day to compile though as its slow ;)
[02:12] <Riddell> shouldn't be any changes
[02:12] <imbrandon> kk
[02:13] <imbrandon> you dont happen to have a list of the source packages handy so i dont have to rummage the pool do you ? hehe
[02:13] <imbrandon> Riddell, ^^
[02:14] <Riddell> arts     kdeaccessibility  kdeadmin    kdebase      kdeedu    kdegraphics  kdemultimedia  kdepim  kdetoys   kdevelop kdeaddons         kdeartwork  kdebindings  kdegames  kdelibs      kdenetwork     kdesdk  kdeutils  kdewebdev
[02:14] <imbrandon> sweet you rock
[02:14] <imbrandon> freeflying, i'll start the builds now and ping you and Riddell when they are done
[02:19] <freeflying> imbrandon: need I build some for u? :)
[02:20] <imbrandon> if you wish, will get it done faster ( but do it in a clean edgy pbuilder so we can put it on kubuntu.org )
[02:21] <imbrandon> and let me know what ones you start so we dont do the same ones ;)
[02:21] <imbrandon> well actualy
[02:21] <imbrandon> the more i think about it that wont work
[02:21] <imbrandon> becouse you have to have the basepackages
[02:22] <imbrandon> so i'll just do them , but thanks anyhow
[02:22] <Riddell> they need to be build together
[02:22] <imbrandon> it wont take tooo long
[02:22] <imbrandon> right
[02:22] <imbrandon> i just realized that after i said it
[02:22] <freeflying> :)
[02:22] <imbrandon> so i'll just do them all
[02:22] <imbrandon> ;) thansk for the thought thoguh
[02:22] <Riddell> raphink: hmm, another sidebar
[02:22] <freeflying> Riddell: can we add another package to desktop-cd?
[02:23] <raphink> hmm sorry wrong channel indeed
[02:23] <raphink>  anyone has seen/worked on http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=14779 ?
[02:23] <raphink> hop
[02:23] <Riddell> freeflying: what is it?
[02:23] <raphink> yes Riddell, but it can be interesting
[02:23] <raphink> if it's well integrated
[02:23] <freeflying> Riddell: scim-pinyin
[02:24] <Riddell> freeflying: that should be added to language-support-zh dependencies
[02:24] <Riddell> freeflying: actually it's already there
[02:24] <freeflying> raphink: it has deb package
[02:24] <raphink> yes freeflying
[02:25] <windshear> ok i'm now fully back
[02:25] <windshear> always these interruptions...
[02:25] <freeflying> Riddell: I see, but if the cd space permitted, will u add this, then guys using zh_CN can input in livecd
[02:26] <Riddell> freeflying: if CD space permits yes, but I doubt we will have enough space
[02:26] <raphink> freeflying: doesn' tseem to be a valid deb
[02:27] <freeflying> raphink: ok, I'd like package it
[02:27] <raphink> :)
[02:27] <freeflying> Riddell: thanks  :)
[02:27] <windshear> Riddell: in the kubuntu installer on the prepare partitions screen, in the first row called numbers, the found paritions are numbered.
[02:27] <raphink> freeflying: do you want to contact the dev?
[02:27] <windshear> What are these numbers good for because they don't necessary match the partition number
[02:27] <freeflying> raphink: ya, maybe i need send out a ITP  :)
[02:27] <raphink> sure
[02:28] <windshear> and this can be quite confusing
[02:28] <raphink> there's no ITP/RFP yet
[02:28] <windshear> in my case /dev/sda5 has number 03
[02:28] <freeflying> raphink: ok,
[02:28] <freeflying> windshear: maybe you'd read the man of fstab
[02:29] <imbrandon> windshear, normaly sdaX where X is the order it was created in and the 03 is the actual order on the physical drive
[02:29] <windshear> i know where these numbers come from
[02:29] <imbrandon> e.g 01 can be /dev/hda2 and 02 can be /dev/hda1 if dev/hda2 is the first on the physical hdd
[02:30] <imbrandon> and the first partition was put at the end of the drive
[02:30] <imbrandon> when it was made etc etc etc
[02:30] <windshear> but do you actually need the numbers how they are on the drive
[02:30] <windshear> i find it quite confusing
[02:31] <windshear> just displaying /dev/sda3 would be enough i think
[02:31] <freeflying> raphink: you know the author of konqburn?
[02:31] <raphink> nope
[02:31] <windshear> anyway ubuntu does it this way
[02:32] <windshear> ok, its just an idea to make it more user friendly...
[02:32] <imbrandon> all linux does it this way ;)
[02:32] <raphink> let's switch to the grub way everywhere!
[02:33] <raphink> media:/(hd0,0)
[02:33] <raphink> hehe
[02:33] <raphink> j/k
[02:33] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:34] <Riddell> windshear: you mean on the qtparted page or the page after that?
[02:34] <windshear> i mean step 5 of 6 in the installer script
[02:35] <windshear> if i select manually create partition table
[02:36] <Riddell> sounds like qtparted page, in which case yes qtparted is silly
[02:37] <Riddell> imbrandon: since you have an amd64 you could try these qt4 packages http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/qt4/
[02:37] <Riddell> just incase you're looking for things to do :)
[02:37] <imbrandon> Riddell, sure
[02:37] <imbrandon> just install them ?
[02:37] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes, and test some qt4 apps
[02:38] <imbrandon> k
[02:38] <windshear> i don't know how to find out the name of the page... there isn't displayed anything
[02:39] <windshear> perhaps its also just me getting confused about this... anyway now i know not to look at the wrong numbers :)
[02:39] <Riddell> windshear: does it have a toolbar and stuff to format partitions, or does it have dropdown boxes to assign mount points to paths?
[02:40] <windshear> it has toolbars to format, partition, resize...
[02:41] <windshear> not the one with the mount points
[02:41] <raphink> Riddell: do we keep the .bzr dirs in the package?
[02:41] <raphink> for k-d-s
[02:41] <Riddell> ok, so yes qtparted is crap, known issue
[02:41] <Riddell> raphink: up to you really, I don't mind either way
[02:41] <windshear> hm, ok then :)
[02:42] <raphink> I do Riddell
[02:42] <raphink> the .bzr dir is 11MB
[02:42] <Riddell> windshear: we were going to get rid of qtparted for edgy, but it'll be edgy+1 now
[02:42] <raphink> more than the size of the package itself
[02:42] <raphink> I think if we keep the package in bzr
[02:42] <windshear> ok
[02:42] <raphink> we need to have a clean rule that removes the .bzr dir
[02:42] <raphink> otherwise our packages will be more than twice bigger
[02:43] <raphink> just as we remove the cvs and svn dirs
[02:45] <windshear> ko now a completely different question
[02:45] <windshear> is the sound system different on ubuntu and kubuntu?
[02:46] <windshear> I have an AC97 audio chipset and in kubuntu 6.06 and ubuntu 6.10 beta it works with no problems
[02:46] <Riddell> windshear: yes, at various levels
[02:46] <serzholino> fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory
[02:46] <serzholino> how can i create this /dev/fuse ?
[02:46] <Riddell> serzholino: wrong channel?
[02:46] <windshear> In kubuntu 6.10 beta my "c-media AC97 Audio Device" does not work anymore.
[02:46] <windshear> I keep on getting the following error message: Sound server fatal error: CPU overload, aborting
[02:47] <serzholino> Riddell: why? this is in kubuntu 6.06
[02:47] <windshear> if i manually select 'open sound system' everything is ok
[02:47] <windshear> -but why can't the system correctly detect it automatically any more?
[02:47] <serzholino> in 5.10 fusermount worked well
[02:48] <imbrandon> serzholino, try #kubuntu for support
[02:48] <serzholino> something udev related maybe?
[02:48] <serzholino> imbrandon: no response
[02:48] <serzholino> on #kubuntu
[02:48] <mhb> serzholino: sudo modoprobe fuse
[02:49] <mhb> serzholino: sorry, "sudo modprobe fuse"
[02:49] <serzholino> oh, yes, works now :) thanks a lot
[02:50] <mhb> serzholino: then the device should work fine (and yes, this is a wrong channel, next time you should go to #kubuntu)
[02:50] <serzholino> ok, sorry
[02:54] <Tonio_> hi !
[02:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning kubuntu-default-settings in bzr.... why not ;)
[02:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: too late, already done it :)
[02:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe, when will that change ? for edgy+1 I assume ?
[02:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hey ;)
[02:55] <imbrandon> Tonio_, now
[02:55] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_.  you fixed it!  :)
[02:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: true :)
[02:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about fixes, kdesu still fails here
[02:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure you have latest kdelibs4c2a and kdebase-bin?  the version numbers didn't change so you'll need to wget && dpkg --install
[02:57] <Tonio_> I did --reinstall, but maybe I miss kdelibs4c2a
[02:57] <Riddell> and run kdesu from the command line, else it'll go through kdeinit and get the old libraries
[02:59] <Tonio_> my apt config really does strange things with its cache...
[02:59] <windshear> i dont know how the sound detection works, but i thought it would be done by the kernel, thats why i was surprised that it works in ubuntu and not in kubuntu
[03:00] <Tonio_> windshear: indeed, there is no reason that kubuntu reacts differently
[03:00] <Riddell> windshear: where do you get that error?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> windshear: is pcm muted in kmix, by any chance?
[03:00] <windshear> in kde
[03:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, works, was due to apt cache once again...
[03:01] <Riddell> windshear: what happens if you run artsd from the command line?
[03:01] <windshear> when it has finished launching kde it freezes for 5 sec, then gives me this overload message
[03:01] <windshear> if i manually select 'open sound system' everything is ok
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nice.  kdesu works now.
[03:03] <Hobbsee> adept comes up really quickly now too, yay
[03:03] <Riddell> groovy
[03:04] <Tonio_> of Riddell I discussed with a guy that night, that has free time and would like to code on kubuntu
[03:04] <windshear> Riddell I tried to run artsd, i get the following: there are already artsd objects registered, looking if they are active......    cpu overload, aborting
[03:05] <Riddell> windshear: so arts is broken for you
[03:05] <Tonio_> he uses C++ for a very long time and has some knowledge in kde/qt... so I talked him about adept, since mornfall wants some help
[03:05] <Riddell> windshear: which is strange since I have an AC97 too
[03:05] <Tonio_> he should come back today to rediscuss this with us
[03:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: cool
[03:05] <windshear> hmm
[03:06] <windshear> it is a c-media AC97 Audio device
[03:06] <windshear> and always worked with linux before
[03:07] <Riddell> windshear: try the kde 3.5.5 packages?
[03:07] <Riddell> maybe arts there fixes it
[03:08] <windshear> so ubuntu does not use artsd?
[03:09] <Riddell> no, gnome uses esd
[03:14] <Tm_T> moin
[03:15] <mhb> Tm_T: moin
[03:15] <windshear> i'll do a full system update, this perhaps already fixes it
[03:18] <gnomefreak> is there a link that shows the difference betweet server kernel and reg. kernels?
[03:18] <jdong> gnomefreak: diff the config files?
[03:18] <gnomefreak> k ty
[03:19] <windshear> Riddell by the way it would be nice to have a button in the installer where you can select if it should try to connect to the internet
[03:21] <Riddell> windshear: why?
[03:21] <windshear> in my case the pc is connected to lan but no direct internet connection is avaliable
[03:21] <windshear> so the setup always hangs at: scanning for mirrors
[03:23] <Riddell> ah, hmm
[03:23] <windshear> i have to pull the lan plug before starting my pc so that it doesn't get an ip
[03:23] <Riddell> file a bug
[03:23] <windshear> if it has no ip, it just says no internet, comments out all the apt servers and continues
[03:24] <windshear> this problem already existed in 6.06 dapper
[03:26] <Hobbsee> sebas: you around?
[03:27] <sebas> Hobbsee: y
[03:27] <sebas> But I might be in a meeting in two minutes
[03:27] <Hobbsee> sebas: in g-p-m, why's the about button right next to the OK button?  i keep hitting it instead of OK?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> sebas: isnt a more sensible place to put it in the other corner, or something?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> im' sure el would say something about it :P
[03:28] <sebas> Hobbsee: Probably yes, but I think it's a problem of KAboutDialog
[03:28] <TheBearded1_> is the developer of adept-manager around?
[03:28] <sebas> I'll check when I have my notebook handy
[03:28] <Tonio_> hi TheBearded1 ;)
[03:28] <Hobbsee> sebas: ahh okay.
[03:28] <sebas> If I forget, ping me, please
[03:28] <Hobbsee> sebas: sure
[03:28] <sebas> TheBearded1_: nope
[03:28] <Tonio_> TheBearded1: mornfall isn't there but Riddell is
[03:28] <sebas> It's mornfall, AFAIK
[03:28] <Hobbsee> TheBearded1_: mornfall?  seems not
[03:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: TheBearded1 is the guy I told you about
[03:29] <Tonio_> hey sebas :)
[03:29] <sebas> Hey Tonio_
[03:29] <sebas> !meeting
[03:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about meeting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:29] <Tonio_> !lastseen mornfall
[03:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lastseen mornfall - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:29] <Hobbsee> !seen mornfall
[03:29] <ubotu> mornfall is on IRC right now!
[03:30] <Tonio_> grmpf..... we need an eggdrop here
[03:30] <Hobbsee> [23:30]  [Whois]  mornfall is a user on channels: #kde-devel
[03:30] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: thanks :) I forgot lastseen wasn't supported
[03:30] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: :)
[03:30] <imbrandon> Riddell,
[03:30] <imbrandon> Unpacking libqt4-debug (from libqt4-debug_4.2.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb) ...
[03:30] <imbrandon> dpkg: error processing libqt4-debug_4.2.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--install):
[03:30] <imbrandon>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libQt3Support.so.4.2.0.debug', which is also in package libqt4-qt3support
[03:30] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: also /msg seenserv seen mornfall works too
[03:30] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hu ? he blacklisted kubuntu-devel or ?
[03:30] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: interesting
[03:31] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_ you probably can contact him on #kde-devel then
[03:31] <Hobbsee> dunno
[03:38] <Tonio_> my god.... wengophone source is 7500 folders, 33000 files........
[03:38] <Tonio_> 5 times more than kdebase....
[03:38] <Tm_T> haha
[03:39] <Tonio_> I really would lke to wait for debian to package it and then sync ;)
[03:39] <Tm_T> yeah, I once tried compile it from cvs(?)
[03:39] <Tonio_> but I promissed to do it
[03:39] <Tonio_> Tm_T: it is a mess isn't it ? ;)
[03:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: do wengo provide .debs?
[03:39] <Tm_T> it was, no idea what it is nowadays
[03:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, but no source packages, not even a tarball
[03:39] <Tonio_> I asked them why and it seems they just didn't even think about it......
[03:40] <Tonio_> they just say "then use svn"
[03:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: did they think about it after you asked?
[03:40] <Tonio_> stupid....... tarball is usefull because it is stable
[03:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh, so there's no source package at all?
[03:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, they think about it
[03:40] <Riddell> wonder how GPL compliant that is
[03:40] <Tonio_> we were several people saying that on the channel, so we'll discuss this on their ML
[03:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: well technically, if they provide a deb, but no source package, that's a gpl violation afaik
[03:41] <Tonio_> all you have if svn access
[03:42] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: stevenk's already playing with wengophone
[03:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: from debian ?
[03:43] <Tonio_> don't know this guy
[03:43] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i think he was fixing the bugs in it.  ask him in -motu if you want
[03:43] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: in ubuntu
[03:48] <Tonio_> how can a softphone be 538MB big (svn sources) ? that's completly stupid
[03:49] <Tm_T> hehe
[03:51] <TheBearded1> Tonio_: being cross-platform, do they implement video encoding and such things on their own?
[03:52] <aeig> is there a big bug in the monitor & display module in system settings on edgy?
[03:52] <Tonio_> TheBearded1 yes they do, but honnesly, I never saw something that messy
[03:52] <Tonio_> aeig: works for me, but several people reported it failed launching
[03:52] <aeig> changes made in none administrator mode wouldn't be stored
[03:52] <aeig> change something in administrator mode results in a destroyed xorg.conf
[03:53] <Tonio_> aeig: better talk with _Sime, he's docing this
[03:53] <aeig> ok
[03:53] <Tonio_> coding
[03:55] <freeflying> raphink: do u need konqburn now?
[03:55] <aeig> _Sime: here?
[03:55] <raphink> nope freeflying
[03:55] <raphink> just think it could be nice
[03:56] <freeflying> but universe is freeze, or I can upload soon :)
[03:56] <raphink> universe is frozen
[03:56] <raphink> but it could be for edgy+1
[03:57] <raphink> if the dev wants to take care of it
[03:57] <raphink> it can be a good idea to talk with him now
[03:57] <raphink> to have it on revu
[04:00] <Tm_T> what's situation with kdesu?
[04:00] <Riddell> fix0red
[04:00] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:00] <Tm_T> what version of what package I should have then
[04:01] <Tm_T> still broken here
[04:02] <Tm_T> kdebase/edgy uptodate 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1
[04:03] <raphink> these are not official packages though
[04:03] <raphink> yet
[04:03] <imbrandon> that version but you might need to wget it and reinstall it manualy
[04:04] <Tm_T> aah, I see, then no prob, I do that :)
[04:04] <imbrandon> Riddell, did you see my qt4 thing from above ?
[04:05] <Riddell> imbrandon: nope
[04:07] <imbrandon> [08:30]  <imbrandon> Riddell,
[04:07] <imbrandon> [08:30]  <imbrandon> Unpacking libqt4-debug (from libqt4-debug_4.2.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb) ...
[04:07] <imbrandon> [08:30]  <imbrandon> dpkg: error processing libqt4-debug_4.2.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--install):
[04:07] <imbrandon> [08:30]  <imbrandon> trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libQt3Support.so.4.2.0.debug', which is also in package libqt4-qt3support
[04:07] <Riddell> oh, blurg
[04:08] <Hawkwind> Is there an Edgy repo that we can test kde 3.5.5 yet ?
[04:08] <Riddell> yes
[04:08] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ edgy main
[04:08] <Riddell> note hat it's top secret
[04:08] <Hawkwind> Riddell: Thanks.  Going to test it now
[04:08] <Tm_T> Hawkwind: what's your name?
[04:09] <Hawkwind> Tm_T: I don't know :P
[04:09] <Tm_T> hehe
[04:09] <Tm_T> that's my boy ;)
[04:10] <Riddell> Tm_T: launchpad knows all
[04:10] <imbrandon> *cough*Cliff Wade*cough*
[04:10] <imbrandon> netsol.com/whois knows too ;)
[04:10] <Tm_T> haha
[04:11] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Hah!
[04:11] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:15] <imbrandon> Hawkwind, just fyi too it took 1and1 2 weeks of dragging their feet torelease the domain after the fax of cancleing
[04:16] <imbrandon> so when you switch give it plenty of time
[04:16] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Ah thanks.  I was wondering about that.  I've got about 2 months til I have to worry about it
[04:16] <Tm_T> weird, my settings isn't applied thru kdesu
[04:16] <Riddell> Tm_T: they won't be, since it's run as root
[04:16] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:16] <Tm_T> but, err
[04:16] <Tonio_> imbrandon: how about kds and the alternatives thing ?
[04:17] <imbrandon> e.g goto custom dns and point the domain to dh and make sure it proigates BEFOER you cancle )
[04:17] <Tm_T> I'm almost sure it did
[04:17] <Tonio_> imbrandon: another bug has been reported about this
[04:17] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i didnet finish it, i'll do that now
[04:17] <Tonio_> imbrandon: bug  64175
[04:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64175 in kubuntu-default-settings "[edgy]  reverts to kubuntu's usplash at each upgrade" [Undecided,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64175
[04:17] <Tonio_> imbrandon: just fyi so that you can close the bug ;)
[04:17] <imbrandon> kk
[04:17] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Yeah my DNS is all handled with domainordering.com actually so I don't have to rely on my webhosts to have the options or whatever
[04:17] <imbrandon> kk
[04:28] <imbrandon> anyone have dapper handy ?
[04:33] <TheBearded1> it probably is xine's fault
[04:33] <imbrandon> did you file a bug in kde bts?
[04:33] <jdong> imbrandon: that hairy thing? :)
[04:33] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:33] <imbrandon> that hary thing gives you the right to complain, other wise shush
[04:33] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:34] <jdong> I'm not complaining... I said I was amused
[04:34] <TheBearded1> jdong: internet explorer can't handle 302's on url's set from within javascript
[04:34] <jdong> complaining is when my ICH8 SATA does not work on Edgy
[04:34] <jdong> HINT HINT
[04:34] <imbrandon> wrong chanell HINT HINT ;P
[04:34] <imbrandon> channel*
[04:34] <jdong> imbrandon: I already bitched in the other channel this morning :)
[04:35] <imbrandon> other channel ? that would imply this would be correct too <grin>
[04:35] <imbrandon> clearly false heh
[04:35] <jdong> well.. it affects kubuntu too :P
[04:36] <jdong> finding my hard drive might help towards loading kdm
[04:57] <Hawkwind> Riddell: If you're around trappist is around as well if you'd like to or need to speak to him about the ops thing
[05:05] <Riddell> I've opped him
[05:06] <Hobbsee> night all
[05:06] <imbrandon> gnight Hobbsee
[05:06] <mhb> gnight
[05:08] <Hawkwind> Riddell: Many thanks :)
[05:39] <jdong> _Sime: poke
[05:39] <jdong> _Sime: unpoke
[05:43] <gnomefreak> amarok can be used with ipod? and some sort of "itunes?
[05:46] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: yes and no
[05:46] <Tonio_> it can be used with ipod, but does not stand as an "itunes like"
[05:46] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[05:46] <Tonio_> you can only manage files in the ipod, that's all
[05:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: shoudn't we ship an email notification system with kubuntu ?
[05:50] <Tonio_> I miss that sometimes :)
[05:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: notification of what?
[05:50] <gnomefreak> email notification?
[05:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: email notification
[05:52] <Tonio_> it checks the mails in the background and when new mails are there, you get an icon in the systray
[05:52] <gnomefreak> yay
[05:52] <Tonio_> better than starting kontact everytime to check........ at least in my opinion
[05:53] <sistpoty> hi folks
[05:53] <gnomefreak> support multiple email boxes please :(
[05:53] <Tonio_> that's very usefull for people that don't receive a lot of emails
[05:53] <marseillai> Tonio_: kmail
[05:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: sounds like your want a watching feature in ksystemlog
[05:53] <Tonio_> marseillai: kmail can't do that afaik
[05:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum I don't see the point with ksystemlog ?
[05:53] <marseillai> euh it stay in systray and show umber of unread mail
[05:54] <Tonio_> marseillai: but you can't configure it to "open reduced", so that you have to launch it first
[05:54] <Tonio_> marseillai: the point a real email notification client is a daemon
[05:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: you want a feature in ksystemlog that monitors the log files for important stuff and gives you a notification
[05:55] <Tonio_> marseillai: close kmail and it doesn't work anymore, that's why email notification clients exist :)
[05:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: no, you missunderstoof me
[05:55] <marseillai> Tonio_: oki! perhaps it could be better to ask a feature for kmail : hide icon when no new mail or something similar ?
[05:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I want an app, like kded daemon, that checks for my mails and popups me when new mails are available
[05:55] <pascalFR> marseillai: already present
[05:56] <Tonio_> I didn't found a way to do that with kmail
[05:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: no you don't, since ubuntu doesn't e-mail anything
[05:56] <Riddell> oh, you mean general e-mails
[05:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: AHHHHHHHHHHHH ! ;)
[05:56] <Riddell> I misunderstood, appologies
[05:57] <Tonio_> yes, I'm talking about an "email notification client"
[05:57] <Tonio_> but in general
[05:57] <marseillai> Tonio_: "configurer kmail -> apparence -> boite a miniatures -> n'afficher kmail que s'il y a des messages non lu" it's not what you want ?
[05:57] <Tonio_> marseillai: let me check
[05:57] <pascalFR> marseillai: that's what I said
[05:58] <Tonio_> I'm sure that's not that
[05:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: investigate korn
[05:58] <marseillai> pascalFR: i didn't know i've just find that! it must be recent feature
[05:58] <pascalFR> marseillai: yeah just one year ago ;)
[05:58] <marseillai> oki pascalFR ....
[05:58] <marseillai> sorry
[05:58] <pascalFR> marseillai: dont be :)
[05:58] <Tonio_> marseillai, pascalFR: okay it works, but will that restart automatically with a kde session
[05:58] <Tonio_> ?
[05:59] <Tonio_> doesn't that need to launch kmail manually the first time ,
[05:59] <pascalFR> Tonio_: as long as kontact is running when u stop kde   yes
[05:59] <marseillai> Tonio_: just launch kmail at start
[05:59] <pascalFR> kontact / kmail is part of session
[05:59] <Tonio_> marseillai: yes but I want to avoid that
[05:59] <pascalFR> Tonio_: avoid what ?
[06:00] <Tonio_> pascalFR: having to unsure kontact/kmail is launched when I stop
[06:00] <marseillai> Tonio_: it would need a "start on start-up" feature for kmail
[06:00] <Tonio_> pascalFR: a "real" email notification client is a daemon
[06:00] <pascalFR> Tonio_: yes of course   but this one is integrated to kmail only when it is running
[06:01] <pascalFR> that's the main problem of too much integration
[06:01] <pascalFR> idem for akregator notif
[06:01] <Tonio_> pascalFR: hum, the other point is I'm getting a systray icon even when I don't have unread messages, as long as kontact is closed
[06:02] <pascalFR> Tonio_: marseillai has found the option for that
[06:02] <Tonio_> pascalFR: yes, but it respects your choices only when kontact is opened :)
[06:02] <Tonio_> close kontact/kmail, and you get the icon everytime
[06:02] <Tonio_> marseillai: can you confirm this ?
[06:02] <pascalFR> Tonio_: I find thius icon practical because cliking on it allows  to  hide/show kontact  and send msg etc
[06:03] <Tonio_> pascalFR: yes I agree on that point
[06:03] <marseillai> Tonio_: no if i close kmail icon disappear
[06:03] <Tonio_> marseillai: hu ?
[06:03] <pascalFR> Tonio_: you are true  if kontact is stopped  u have no more notification
[06:04] <pascalFR> there is no difference I think marseillai
[06:04] <pascalFR> the kmail icon is just a RUNNING indicator
[06:04] <marseillai> yes
[06:04] <pascalFR> that can change on no read emails
[06:04] <Tonio_> hum, marseillai it looks like your right
[06:04] <marseillai> as usual Tonio_ ........ :p
[06:05] <Tonio_> pascalFR: in fact I choosed to hide icon and that works pretty nicelly
[06:05] <Tonio_> let's wait for a mail to come....
[06:05] <pascalFR> Tonio_:  yes but kmail is still running
[06:05] <Tonio_> pascalFR: yes
[06:05] <pascalFR> ok :)
[06:05] <Tonio_> so it is possible to configure it as a notification client
[06:05] <Tonio_> now the question is what happens if I logout/login
[06:06] <pascalFR> if will still be there
[06:06] <pascalFR> as long as kmail runs when you logout
[06:06] <marseillai> i'm not sure
[06:06] <pascalFR> I am
[06:06] <pascalFR> I do that everyday
[06:06] <marseillai> pascalFR: i don't use restore seesion
[06:06] <marseillai> so it'll not start
[06:06] <TheBearded1> you have to have it autoatically save your session when you logout
[06:06] <TheBearded1> automatically*
[06:07] <marseillai> i launch it with ~/.kde/Autostart
[06:07] <pascalFR> and since kmail freeze a lot when reading mails I delayed first auto retrieving of mails
[06:07] <pascalFR> marseillai: yes  session or autostart
[06:08] <pascalFR> sessions now start very fast on edgy
[06:08] <sistpoty> Tonio_: I've been playing with kubuntu-default-settings a little bit... imo it shouldn't ship /.hidden and /media/.hidden in the package, as an admin might want to modify them (and thus these would just get overwritten)
[06:09] <sistpoty> Tonio_: I've already patched the package to put these to /etc/kubuntu-default-settings and create symlinks instead... what do you think?
[06:09] <Tonio_> sistpoty: hum, that can be said for any file in fact
[06:09] <Tonio_> sistpoty: that's interesting indeed
[06:09] <Tonio_> sistpoty: did you upload that to bzr ?
[06:10] <pascalFR> wow since last edgy update I cannot open dirs on konqueror
[06:10] <sistpoty> Tonio_: I'm not in kubuntu-devel... I'm just pushing to tiber (will take some more minutes I guess *g*)
[06:10] <Tonio_> sistpoty: can you send me your modifications ?
[06:10] <pascalFR> clicking on dirs start kaffeine !? :D
[06:10] <Tonio_> pascalFR: hu ?????????
[06:10] <sistpoty> Tonio_: ok... will do a debdiff
[06:10] <pascalFR> something weid with file assos
[06:10] <pascalFR> weird
[06:11] <pascalFR> where should I look?
[06:11] <Tonio_> pascalFR: remove ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc and ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror
[06:11] <Tonio_> pascalFR: something going wrong there probably
[06:11] <pascalFR> saving my bookmarks and cookies !
[06:13] <pascalFR> is it normal to have lots of *.new files in ~/.kde/share/config/ ?
[06:15] <pascalFR> file:///home/pascal/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc
[06:15] <pascalFR> file:///home/pascal/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc0yIf9a.new
[06:15] <pascalFR> file:///home/pascal/.kde/share/config/konquerorrcDGJsbb.new
[06:15] <pascalFR> file:///home/pascal/.kde/share/config/konquerorrcil69eb.new
[06:15] <pascalFR> file:///home/pascal/.kde/share/config/konquerorrclJ9Pha.new
[06:15] <pascalFR> file:///home/pascal/.kde/share/config/konquerorrcNgIOUa.new
[06:19] <Riddell> pascalFR: I have plenty
[06:19] <sistpoty> Tonio_: http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/kubuntu-default-settings.debdiff
[06:19] <pascalFR> humm file assos for inode/directory is now kaffeine by default !
[06:20] <pascalFR> it worked this morning
[06:20] <pascalFR> i just did an upgrade one hour ago
[06:22] <Riddell> sistpoty: why are symlinks better than files?
[06:22] <toma> pascalFR: kaffeine not starting?
[06:22] <sistpoty> Riddell: if I change the files locally, these will just get overwritten with the next version of the package...
[06:23] <sistpoty> Riddell: however being in /etc, these are treated as conffiles
[06:23] <Riddell> interesting
[06:23] <Riddell> win 11
[06:23] <Riddell> tsk
[06:24] <pascalFR> toma: yes  not starting
[06:24] <pascalFR> kaffeine is now the first choice in file assos
[06:25] <pascalFR> konqueror the second
[06:25] <toma> pascalFR: i spotted a debian report for that as well, iirc it is forwarded upstream
[06:25] <imbrandon> Riddell, w00t we have dedicated guineypigs^Wtesters in #kubuntu-testers now ;)
[06:25] <Riddell> imbrandon: that's rather exciting
[06:25] <toma> pascalFR: oh, that i dont know
[06:25] <pascalFR> and this happens just after kubuntu-defauts-setting as been updated ...
[06:25] <pascalFR> has
[06:26] <pascalFR> very strange
[06:26] <pascalFR> i cannot be the only one in this case
[06:28] <Tonio_> sistpoty: why .PHONY: install clean build ?
[06:28] <sistpoty> Tonio_: these targets don't create any files called install/clean or build?... then these are phony targetes
[06:29] <sistpoty> Tonio_: but that's just asthethics w.o. real impact ;)
[06:29] <imbrandon> Riddell / sistpoty , i think the bug number in that changelog is wrong too
[06:29] <Tonio_> sistpoty: okay, I'm testing and comitting if that works, thanks !
[06:29] <sistpoty> Tonio_: cool, thanks
[06:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: if you're doing k-d-s you can remove the dep on lipstick as well if we've changed to plastik
[06:29] <sistpoty> imbrandon: /me looks
[06:29] <marseillai> Tonio_: kxmame problem is solve?
[06:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: heh, indeed, I forgot that :)
[06:30] <sistpoty> imbrandon: right... type here :)
[06:30] <Tonio_> marseillai: nope, that's a bit complicated in fact...
[06:30] <marseillai> ok
[06:31] <pascalFR> ii  kubuntu-default-set 6.10-53
[06:31] <Tonio_> marseillai: will requires a new version build, and as the app is now unmaintained, I wonder if that's necessary...
[06:31] <sistpoty> Tonio_: the bugnumber should be 63048
[06:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: and remember to do it in the bzr archive :)
[06:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just finished cleaning the sources....
[06:31] <marseillai> Tonio_: is there a replacement for this package ?
[06:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: for openwengo.... still 130 MB
[06:31] <Riddell> whee
[06:32] <Tonio_> marseillai: don't think so, but xmame as its own gui
[06:32] <Tonio_> sistpoty: will correct the bug number too, thanks (klipper funky sometimes)
[06:32] <imbrandon> did anyone make a debian/rule to rm -rf the .bzr ? and what about upgrades for people that have .hidden already in / ?
[06:33] <sistpoty> imbrandon: it will get removed if the old package is removed... then the new package's postinst will create the symlinks to the correct files
[06:34] <imbrandon> removed yes, but replaced ?
[06:34] <imbrandon> or both
[06:34] <imbrandon> heya \sh
[06:35] <\sh> moins
[06:36] <\sh> hmm...why doesn't  cdrecord has the permissions to burn a cd via k3b?
[06:36] <\sh> edgy that is
[06:37] <Tonio_> \sh: isn't that done ? I asked for the same thing a moment ago and I was told it was resolved in edgy
[06:37] <\sh> Tonio_: hmm...I should wait for my dist-upgrade ,)
[06:38] <Tonio_> \sh: hehe
[06:38] <\sh> the other thing is, shouldn't we have  smp kernels in edgy by default, even for desktop installs?
[06:38] <sistpoty> imbrandon: it's s.th. like that: old package get's uninstalled, removing /.hidden (since it was in the package). new package get's unpacked with /etc/kubuntu-default-settings/hidden-root. upgrade get's run (noop for hidden-files stuff) and finally configure is run, which creates the symlinks to /etc/.../hidden-root
[06:38] <sistpoty> hey \sh
[06:38] <\sh> because my dual core laptop tells me I just have one cpu and not two ,)
[06:39] <imbrandon> sistpoty, ahh yes becosue it wasent a config file before, right , my mistake
[06:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: and openwengo as no scons configure directive, so dealing with builddeps is a real........ pleasure.......
[06:39] <imbrandon> err "seen" as a config
[06:40] <sistpoty> imbrandon: yes... but for the postinst/postrm scripts, it's better to have another look, since it mustn't fail in any case
[06:41] <imbrandon> \sh, you do have the -generic kernel installed correct ? ( e.g. the -386 isnt smp enabled )
[06:41] <imbrandon> ( assuming your on edgy )
[06:41] <\sh> imbrandon: oh damn...why is it installing -386v ;)
[06:42] <imbrandon> afaik becosue of some rare driver issues with smp kernels to be fixed by edgy+1 but for now if you have smp you need the -generic kernel
[06:42] <imbrandon> and hope you dont need the ralink driver ;)
[06:43] <imbrandon> easy , just " sudo apt-get install linux-generic " and reboot , problem solved, but yes it should be handled better
[06:43] <imbrandon> but thats the "hot-to" for now
[06:43] <imbrandon> s/hot/how
[06:44] <\sh> imbrandon: THX :)
[06:46] <bddebian> Howdy
[06:47] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[06:47] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[07:03] <mhb> Riddell: two minutes faster :o)
[07:04] <Tonio_> sistpoty: uploaded
[07:04] <sistpoty> Tonio_: cool, thx
[07:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: first real kds bzr version is out :)
[07:22] <sistpoty> cya
[07:28] <aeig> _Sime: are you here ?
[07:30] <mhb> Riddell: in your meeting invitation email you wrote "see you in #ubuntu-devel" but meeting's as usual in #ubuntu-meeting (looks like it's scheduled there), right?
[07:33] <Riddell> doh
[07:35] <imbrandon_> okies i'm off to take a nap before the meeting while this kde compiles some more heh
[07:35] <imbrandon_> see yall in  a few hours
[07:35] <mhb> imbrandon_: enjoy the well-deserved rest :o)
[07:39] <jdong> \sh_away: if  had the 386 kernel before your dist-upgrade, it'll still pull in a 386 kernel
[07:39] <jdong> if you pulled in ubuntu-desktop, it'll also pull in linux-generic, too :D
[07:43] <jdong> sysmond: CRITICAL load average: amadeus.jd.lan reported 1175.50
[07:44] <jdong> *blink*
[07:46] <jdong> *sigh*, amazing what bad indenting in Python could do
[08:10] <Riddell> yay!
[08:10] <Riddell> _Sime: I take it you can't come to the US summit?
[08:10] <_Sime> Riddell: it sounds nice, but I don't have the holiday time AND I'm going to Oz for 5 weeks at the end of the year.
[08:11] <Riddell> ooh, save your holiday for oz then
[08:12] <_Sime> it is just not possible to organise that with my Real Work.
[08:12] <_Sime> Riddell: you've going?
[08:12] <Riddell> _Sime: to the US?  of course
[08:12] <Riddell> so's sebas (yay!)
[08:12] <jdong> Riddell: can bug 61946 be marked higher priority and targetted at 6.10?
[08:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61946 in kdebase "umount progress dialog missing in Edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61946
[08:13] <jdong> Riddell: that's a high data loss potential bug
[08:13] <Riddell> jdong: has _Sime responded to that?
[08:13] <_Sime> Bastard!
[08:13] <jdong> Riddell: IIRC _Sime didn't cause the bug :)
[08:13] <_Sime> :-)
[08:13] <_Sime> I'll see sebas on the weekend.
[08:14] <_Sime> jdong: I'm hacking on it right now actually.
[08:14] <_Sime> Riddell: I want to get to Akademy 2007, and whatever summit there is mid-2007 for Ubuntu.
[08:15] <Riddell> akademy sometime in july in glasgow, ubuntu probably May time
[08:16] <_Sime> glasgow sounds do-able.
[08:16] <_Sime> once i figure out where it is. ;-)
[08:18] <_Sime> jdong: does the unmount dialog work in dapper for you? or anyone?
[08:18] <jdong> _Sime: it works in stock dapper
[08:18] <jdong> _Sime: I've not tried dapper 3.5.4 repos recently but IIRC they worked
[08:19] <_Sime> jdong: stock eh
[08:19] <jdong> as in dapper + dapper-updates
[08:20] <_Sime> I'm using dapper plus the 3.5.4 repo.
[08:24] <jdong> _Sime: and does that work?
[08:24] <jdong> (I'm guessing no, from your questions)
[08:24] <_Sime> I've tried to make it appear, but it won't.
[08:26] <jdong> _Sime: are your usb devices mounted async?
[08:26] <jdong> can you see activity after unmounting?
[08:28] <_Sime> jdong: on dapper or edgy?
[08:28] <jdong> on either
[08:28] <jdong> After I umount on either, I can clearly see iowait activity for a while, depending on how much data I wrote
[08:29] <jdong> in an extreme case, around 1 minute's worth of iowait
[08:29] <jdong> during which time KDE is basically telling me it's safe to yank out my stick
[08:33] <_Sime>   /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
[08:40] <jdong> hmm
[08:40] <jdong> yeah, that should make for a dangerous umount
[08:40] <jdong> kde 3.5.2 definitely showed a unmount progress dialog for that
[08:44] <_Sime> jdong: have you looked through bugs.kde.rog?
[08:45] <jdong> _Sime: it's a hairy mess, and I could never get search to narrow bugs below half a quintillion hits
[08:45] <jdong> so if you have more eperience with it, good luck :)
[09:24] <fdoving> hmm.. anyone know where the prism2_usb driver is on edgy? can't find it on a freshly installed edgy-beta
[09:25] <fdoving> nevermind.. they are gone.
[09:31] <jdong> fdoving: I believe the next kernel upload is turning it back on?
[09:31] <jdong> but then that might've been my dream last night where I was browsing upstream changelogs
[09:33] <fdoving> haha.. you should take a break. a walk in the forest is nice. :)
[09:33] <fdoving> the next kernel really should turn it back on.
[09:33] <fdoving> and it should also update the bcm43xx driver,  currently my ibook hard-freezes every ~5-6 hours if the wlan is enabled.
[09:34] <fdoving> googled it and found it's a known bug.
[09:34] <jdong> as much as I'd love to sit here and put on a BenC hat, your best bet is to go poke him about it :)
[09:36] <fdoving> if you say so :)
[09:49] <trappist> what package do I want if I want to poke at the way kde handles changing desktop backgrounds when it's cycling through a directory of images
[09:51] <danimo> heya folks
[09:51] <Riddell> yo yo danimo
[09:51] <danimo> heya
[09:51] <trappist> for example, I'd like add a feature to let it search directories recursively for images to use
[09:51] <danimo> Riddell: I guess you still haven't tried amarok and daap?
[09:51] <danimo> (along with zeroconf)
[09:51] <Riddell> can't say I have
[09:52] <danimo> Riddell: doesn't work for me it seems :(
[09:52] <Riddell> zeroconf I've tried, I need to fix that
[09:52] <danimo> Riddell: fixed what?
[09:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: wengophone should be done toonight
[09:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: but that'll not be accepted in uvf exception request
[09:55] <Tonio_> that's not a bugfix release....
[09:56] <Riddell> danimo: I need to fix zeroconf
[09:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: well, maybe we can talk nicely to the masters :)
[09:56] <danimo> Riddell: what's wrong with it?
[09:56] <Riddell> danimo: libnss-mdns doesn't set up nss.switch properly
[09:57] <danimo> Riddell: ah, that's why I cannot find anything :)
[09:59] <Riddell> add mdns at the end of hosts:
[09:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe :) not to mention him ;)
[09:59] <danimo> Riddell: does mdns-scan have to be installed?
[10:00] <danimo> Riddell: I did that, before dns as adviced on the kde wiki
[10:00] <Tonio_> I have finished the code cleaning and builddeps, just the "install" part needs to be done (because that doesn't go in standard folders of course, so debhelper cannot install the files...)
[10:00] <danimo> Riddell: nothing happens
[10:40] <Lure> interesting bug 62703 - another reason not to use gtk... ;-)
[10:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62703 in Ubuntu "huge desktop memory leak" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62703
[10:46] <Tonio_> meeting in 15 minutes
[10:47] <marseillai> question : when we will be able to add some feature request for edgy+1 ?
[10:48] <jdong> marseillai: his name is Santa... he comes about once a year
[10:49] <marseillai> edgy +1 will be call santa ?
[10:49] <marseillai> jdong: scuse me i'm not sure i've well understand
[10:50] <jdong> marseillai: never mind, launchpad, distro ubuntu, the features button on the left
[10:51] <jdong> marseillai: I was basically trying to tell you that from my experience, putting things on that list is like writing your government welfare system for a 16-core opteron server :)
[10:52] <marseillai> lol
[10:52] <marseillai> oki
[10:53] <marseillai> i was wondering two things for ubiquity : simplify partionning! i didn't understood it at all and came back to alternate cd because of it! and create a power-user mode of installation with package selection, sources.list modification .....
[10:59] <Riddell> ** three minutes to meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[11:27] <GNUro> Hi
[11:28] <seaLne> kwwii: the background i get on my second head (xinerama) looks a bit disjointed and dosen't seem to match up with the main one, not sure if its just my setup
[11:29] <seaLne> i'll try to remember to get a screen shot tommorow at work
[11:29] <kwwii> hrm, sounds funny, the file itself is quite big, perhaps there is some scaling problems going on
[11:29] <seaLne> i ahve 2 1280x1024
[11:30] <kwwii> well, if they are both the same size, you should get exactly the same ratio
[11:30] <kwwii> if they are different ratio's the pic will be stretched a bit different
[11:31] <seaLne> probably easier to wait till screenshot :)
[11:31] <seaLne> i'm stil trying to decide if i like xinerama, previously i've always had seperate heads, but haven't worked out how to do it on ne ati dual head card
[11:32] <kwwii> hehe
[11:32] <kwwii> yeah, I actually liked having seperate logins
[11:33] <seaLne> i didn't have seperate logins but they were distinct, so apart from shared kbd+mouse they behaved independantly and i could change desktops on 1 without affecting the other
[11:34] <kwwii> there almost needs to be a bigger themeing idea behind multi-head setups
[11:35] <kwwii> that would be really cool
[11:35] <kwwii> like staying at the movie long enough to learn the real secrets which only came at the very end
[11:35] <kwwii> :p
[11:38] <seaLne> normally i just have a black background which is simpler :)
[11:38] <kwwii> hehe, no doubt
[11:38] <kwwii> actually, a tiled bg is perfect for this kinda thing as well
[11:38] <kwwii> but tiled bgs are soooo out
[11:39] <seaLne> but big improvement recently(?) when kdm has a background on both heads
[11:42] <kwwii> one day, when Tonio_ is some big, famous KDE guy I will saw I knew him when he was young
[11:43] <Tonio_> kwwii: mouarf :) hard to become famous when you don't code :)
[11:43] <Tonio_> kwwii: I don't plan to learn C++ at all :)
[11:45] <Lure> Tonio_: you can do it in php ;-)
[11:45] <Tonio_> Lure: lol
[11:45] <Lure> Tonio_: and you mentioned that you are learning python
[11:45] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, true
[11:46] <Tonio_> but I am at the very begining
[11:47] <kwwii> Tonio_: don't worry...the grasshopper does not know the extent of the world until he makes his first jump (/me tries to sound mystical)
[11:48] <kwwii> one day you can say I was a mentor or some crap like that
[11:48] <seaLne> jdong: isn't that what flash drives are for?
[11:48] <Tonio_> kwwii: lol :)
[11:48] <jdong> seaLne: dvd+rw's are considerably cheaper
[11:48] <seaLne> jdong: is it something many people do?
[11:48] <toma> Tonio_: is digikamimageplugins also on the cd?
[11:49] <jdong> seaLne: I use that functionality of +RW's a lot
[11:49] <jdong> seaLne: I have flash drives, but I can't buy 40GB worth of flash drives for 5 bucks
[11:50] <jdong> those with too much free time on their hands have attempted ubuntu installs to dvd+rw's, actually, and I've heard limited success stories :D
[11:50] <seaLne> is it specific to + rather than -?
[11:50] <Tonio_> toma: no
[11:51] <toma> Tonio_: hm.
[11:51] <Lure> Tonio_: why not?
[11:51] <Tonio_> toma: we don't ship showfoto
[11:51] <Tonio_> and they are mostly usefull with it
[11:52] <jdong> seaLne: it's specific to +. - does not support truly random access, i.e. block device
[11:52] <toma> Tonio_: no, thats not true
[11:52] <seaLne> i only just ordered some rw dvds recently to play with
[11:53] <Lure> Tonio_: but digikam editor uses them too
[11:53] <Tonio_> toma, Lure: Size: 4462602
[11:54] <Tonio_> maybe the day we have freed some space on the cd, we can ship it
[11:54] <toma> Tonio_: i prefer them above kipi
[11:54] <Lure> Tonio_: they are not even in main :-(
[11:54] <Lure> toma: +1
[11:55] <Tonio_> that's why I really hope we'll give a try at koffice for edgy+1, but that'll probably be discussed at UDS
[11:55] <Tonio_> yes, but kipi-plugins can be used in several applications, not only digikam
[11:55] <allee> toma, Lure: really?  YOu do lot's of image editing?  Compared to slideshow sendimage etc in kpi-plugins?
[11:55] <toma> allee: well, digikam without the plugins is kind of running outside naked
[11:55] <Tonio_> I beleive yes
[11:55] <allee> Tonio_: no
[11:56] <Lure> allee: adjustcurves/levels are useful
[11:56] <Tonio_> allee: okay
[11:56] <Tonio_> Lure: I would like to include them, but the size on the cd becomes a problem, really......
[11:57] <Tonio_> winfloss can be discussed too... but not a chance to remove that....
[11:57] <seaLne> i wonder if we can teach the cat "rm -rf /" :)
[11:57] <Tonio_> although I think that winfloss shouldn't be prior to kubuntu content
[11:57] <Lure> Tonio_: does not help for ppc and amd64 where we have the least space
[11:57] <seaLne> isn't winfloss what the opencd is for?
[11:57] <Tonio_> Lure: yes,
[11:58] <Tonio_> seaLne: true, that's why, even if that's usefull, I think that'll have to be removed one day
[11:58] <Tonio_> winfloss + OOo are about 100 MB
[11:58] <Tonio_> 15% of the cd
[11:58] <seaLne> i'd be interested to know if there are any statistics about anyone ever using the winfloss stuff
[11:58] <Tonio_> but I agree winfloss isn't THE solution since amd64 as the same problem
[11:59] <Tonio_> seaLne: very few people in my opinion
[11:59] <seaLne> yeah
[11:59] <Tonio_> Lure: concerning amd64, that's another debate.... maybe one day that'll just be a dvd, I don't know...
[12:00] <Tonio_> amd64 computers generally have a dvd and a dsl line :)
[12:04] <Riddell> kwwii: https://launchpad.net/people/jr/+branch/kubuntu-website/main
[12:04] <Riddell> you need to bzr branch that one
[12:04] <Riddell> and you can  bzr checkout https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-members/+branch/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu
[12:05] <Riddell> see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2006-October/001364.html
[12:06] <kwwii> Riddell: erm, am I in kubuntu-members?
[12:06] <imbrandon_> kwwii: yes
[12:07] <freeflying> imbrandon_: kde-355 ok now?
[12:07] <imbrandon_> https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-members
[12:07] <imbrandon_> kwwii: ^^
[12:07] <kwwii> imbrandon_: thanks
[12:07] <imbrandon_> freeflying: still compiling , its only about 1/3 the way done
[12:07] <imbrandon_> my ppc compiler is SLOW heh
[12:08] <kwwii> this whole launchpad thins makes my head spin
[12:08] <imbrandon_> freeflying: but Riddell said he is going to get a uvf for it tomarrow so it will be in the main archive soon
[12:08] <imbrandon_> ( and qt4.2 )
[12:08] <freeflying> imbrandon_: yep
[12:09] <imbrandon_> kwwii: hehe yea it took me a long time to get used to ut
[12:09] <imbrandon_> it*
[12:09] <imbrandon_> but its nice once you figure out all the bits
[12:12] <kwwii> imbrandon_: definitely true


[00:47] <Laserbear> How do I check the status of a config
[00:47] <Laserbear> For example how do I get the status of Apt::Install-Recommends
[00:49] <Laserbear> nvm
[00:49] <Laserbear> got it
[04:25] <MatthewAllen> flocculant or balloons can I get some clarification on "
[04:25] <MatthewAllen> Add bug report link to tracker testcases (Ubuntu)"
[05:30] <KHa_> .
[05:31] <KHa_> How do u install Ubuntu on mac?
[05:44] <wxl> Girish: i don't see anything in review anymore?
[06:02] <magi_> KHa_: are you planning to install on a virtual machine or as a dual-boot?
[06:04] <magi_> KHa_: Dual booting: http://www.howtogeek.com/187410/how-to-install-and-dual-boot-linux-on-a-mac/
[06:05] <magi_> I don't use a Mac though, so I can't guarantee it is up to date.
[06:05] <magi_> Virtual Maching: http://www.simplehelp.net/2015/06/09/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-your-mac/
[06:05] <magi_> *Machine
[06:05] <magi_> Hope the links helped you :)
[06:08] <Girish> wxl: Check again. I've left a comment on the task linking to my youtube video.
[06:08] <Girish> https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/5880796325871616/
[06:19] <wxl> ah
[06:19] <wxl> watching a movie right nwo, girish
[06:20] <wxl> Girish: popey himself will likely get to it before me :)
[06:30] <Girish> wxl: No problem.
[06:33] <Girish-android> Also, star wars?
[11:36] <Girish-android> Can anyone review? https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/5880796325871616/
[11:36] <Girish-android> !patience
[11:36] <flocculant> MatthewAllen: I clarified on the task.
[11:45] <flocculant> twice ...
[12:25] <MatthewAllen2> How's everyone going progress wise? How many tasks you guys completed?
[12:51] <Rob1507> I have 4 tasks completed :/
[14:31] <MatthewAllen2> flocculant are you able to check out my task?
[14:31] <flocculant> MatthewAllen2: I've done what I can - the code looks good, but you need to wait for balloons to ack it
[14:32] <MatthewAllen2> flocculant, mmk awesome :)
[14:32] <flocculant> thanks for working on the tracker ;)
[14:33] <MatthewAllen2> flocculant, Balloons said that tasks were being added to the qatracker - should I be able to find more than the one i just did and the "Remove Hello username link from QA Tracker" or is that it for the qatracker?
[14:36] <xcub> Does anyone know why I am getting the error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14116015/ whenever I try to run an application with a desktop kit in the ubuntu-sdk? Doing qmlscene main.qml works just fine though.
[14:37] <flocculant> MatthewAllen2: that's the last one not being worked on
[14:37] <MatthewAllen2> flocculant, ahh - so each of those tasks is limited to 1 student?
[14:38] <flocculant> MatthewAllen2: there might be more, but I at least don't want to add anything until what we've got is in production - any more changes are likely to be affected by what you and others have done
[14:38] <MatthewAllen2> flocculant, mmk good to know - thankyou very much :-)
[15:37] <Rob1507> Is there anyone to answer my question?
[15:37] <DanChapman> Rob1507, what's up?
[15:37] <Rob1507> My task is to add unit test to wiki.py and I don't really understand what's going on
[15:38] <Rob1507> DanChapman, there is a file wiki.py and test-wiki.py and unittests are in latter one.
[15:38] <DanChapman> Rob1507, got a link to the task? :)
[15:38] <Rob1507> https://codein.withgoogle.com/task-instances/5930718593024000/
[15:39] <Rob1507> DanChapman, here it is
[15:39] <DanChapman> hmmm i get a 404
[15:40] <DanChapman> Rob1507, is it the one for snapcraft?
[15:40] <Rob1507> DanChapman, yes
[15:40] <Rob1507> DanChapman, try this link  https://codein.withgoogle.com/task-instances/5930718593024000/?sp-page=1
[15:41] <DanChapman> nope that 404's as well. Weird!
[15:41] <DanChapman> I've found it now anyway. just looking....
[15:42] <Rob1507> ok
[15:46] <robbert> darkxst: hey, are you there?
[16:00] <DanChapman> Rob1507, sorry about that. Had a phone call. Anyway.... so do you know what test you need to add?
[16:01] <Rob1507> DanChapman, no :/ I don't know where to start
[16:05] <Rob1507> DanChapman, I don't understand what wiki.py is testing. I read the code and imagine that it is only managing parts for further using.
[16:08] <DanChapman> ok so wiki.py doesn't contain tests. Thats part of the snapcraft api. test-wiki.py test the functions in wiki.py. So take a look here https://coveralls.io/builds/4512175/source?filename=snapcraft%2Fwiki.py#L50 you can see the current tests never hit line 50. So it needs another test to check that line of code does what it should
[16:14] <Rob1507> ok, so I should add it on test_wiki.py right?
[16:15] <DanChapman> yep :)
[16:17] <Rob1507> DanChapman, that was what I asked because I understood from the task that wiki.py is test file and we should add there. :)
[16:17] <Rob1507> So after opening it I messed up all :D
[16:24] <Rob1507> DanChapman, thanks DanChapman  for great help
[16:27] <xcub> is anyone here familiar with the ubuntu-sdk
[16:28] <xcub> ?
[16:28] <subins2000> flocculant: Hey, my mentor didrocks is not going to come I think for a few days
[16:28] <subins2000> flocculant: Meanwhile, can you guide me through the task : https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5131342014578688/?sp-page=1
[16:36] <subins2000> balloons: ?
[16:36] <flocculant> subins2000: I'm afraid not - the tasks I can guide people with I am a mentor on
[16:36] <subins2000> flocculant: Ok, I understand
[16:36] <flocculant> all I can do is what I did yesterday for you
[16:37] <Ritwick> hello
[16:37] <Ritwick> im asking that can i get the file that i have to modify to make it simpler and redeable by others
[16:49] <DanChapman> Rob1507, your welcome :-)
[16:49] <DanChapman> xcub, what's up? you having some issues with the sdk?
[16:50] <xcub> Yeah, I'm trying to create an application using Bacon2D
[16:50] <xcub> So I create it using the template
[16:51] <xcub> And when I try to run it using the desktop kit, it says qrc:///main.qml:2:1: module "Bacon2D" is not installed
[16:52] <xcub> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14117380/
[16:53] <DanChapman> xcub, right so the desktop kit is broken. Is doesn't include qml modules that aren't part of the ubuntu sdk. The desktop kit looks for them in /usr/ubuntu-sdk-dev/* which you don't have bacon 2d installed in that location
[16:54] <DanChapman> xcub, you will need to run your app from the commandline instead and make sure you have ubuntu-sdk-libs installed
[16:55] <xcub> with qmlscene?
[16:57] <xcub> and i do have ubuntu-sdk-libs installed
[16:58] <DanChapman> xcub looks like the template produces a binary so you would want to use qmake / make. qmlscene just loads qml documents
[16:59] <DanChapman> xcub have you used qmake before?
[16:59] <xcub> no, i always used qmlscene
[17:01] <DanChapman> xcub so from the root of your project you can do something like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/14117491/
[17:04] <xcub> I've been getting this error whenever I run qmake qmake: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/qmake': No such file or directory
[17:04] <xcub> qmake: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/qmake': No such file or directory
[17:04] <xcub> qmake: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/qmake': No such file or directory
[17:04] <xcub> qmake: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/qmake': No such file or directory
[17:04] <xcub> qmake: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/qmake': No such file or directory
[17:04] <xcub> qmake: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/qmake': No such file or directory  It's giving me that error whenever I try to run qmake, should I install "qt-sdk"?
[17:04] <xcub> did not mean to post that many, sorry
[17:05] <DanChapman> xcub ahh try $ QT_SELECT=qt5 qmake ..
[17:06] <xcub> =qt5: command not found
[17:08] <DanChapman> urrrgh can you paste the whole output for me
[17:08] <DanChapman> please
[17:08] <xcub> that's all there was
[17:09] <DanChapman> have you got qt5-qmake installed?
[17:09] <xcub> yes
[17:11] <DanChapman> that should work then.
[17:16] <DanChapman> xcub what happens if you run
[17:16] <DanChapman> export QT_SELECT=qt5
[17:17] <DanChapman> then qmake ..
[17:18] <xcub> yup, that did it :)
[17:19] <DanChapman> cool :-)
[17:20] <xcub> but how would i install bacon2d in /usr/ubuntu-sdk-dev/* so i don't have to do this whenever I want to build it?
[17:23] <Rob1507> DanChapman,  In test file, should I add another function or change existing one?
[17:23] <DanChapman> with difficulty unless bacon 2d has been compiled with the same version of qt even which then you would have to manually move it all into the correct location.
[17:23] <DanChapman> *same version of qt as the sdk
[17:25] <DanChapman> Rob1507, the task is asking for another test so I would add another one.
[17:25] <xcub> oh, alright then, thanks for all your help!
[17:25] <DanChapman> no problem :-)
[17:29] <Rob1507> DanChapman, ok, thanks for help
[18:02] <jose> !cookie
[18:37] <Rob1507> Can we know about leaderboard?
[18:42] <Girish-android> DanChapman: could you review this task?https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/4993872342024192/
[18:43] <Girish-android> https://codein.withgoogle.com/task-instances/4993872342024192/
[19:01] <jose> !cookie
[19:07] <Rob1507> DanChapman, How can I run the code to see the output of a function. I mean there is an import of javashceme in yaml.py and I can find it to compile wiki.py
[19:07] <Rob1507> can't find it *
[19:22] <robbert> darkxst: hey, are you there?
[19:24] <DanChapman> Rob1507, sounds like your missing a python library. take a look in snapcraft/debian/controls and check you have all those packages installed
[20:36] <krishna_ravi732> Hey, can anyone help me run the dialer app?
[20:36] <krishna_ravi732> ok the ubuntu-emulator
[20:36] <krishna_ravi732> *on
[20:48] <fazer> popey, are the tests for the terminal app no longer being used because the app was re-written, and the tests no longer apply to the current structure of the app?
[20:49] <fazer> also ballons, I pushed the changes that ahayzen had requested. I believe the branch can be merged now.
[20:56] <ahayzen> fazer, i saw that :-) i now need to check that the test passes on all of my devices and doesn't destroy my ~/Music :-)
[20:56] <fazer> ahayzen, alright.
[20:57] <ahayzen> and check its cool for Victor as well
[20:57] <fazer> ok. just wanted to make sure you were aware that I pushed those changes :)
[20:58] <ahayzen> yeah :-) i'll try and do that in the next day or so
[21:02] <fazer> balloons or anyone else who works on the terminal app: are the tests for the terminal app no longer being used because the app was re-written, and the tests no longer apply to the current structure of the app?
[21:13] <fazer> ahayzen, I'm looking at the task that says add fast scroll to the music app. It talks about the contacts app, would that be referring to the address-book-app? Because I can't find a core app called contacts-app
[21:15] <mcinitreevan> fazer: I think that'd be it. As for the terminal app, I've worked with it a little and it does seem that the unit tests were dropped in the rewrite but there are some open bugs to add them back
[21:16] <fazer> mcinitreevan, the tests were dropped because they would no longer work after the rewrite right? So will they have to be re-written now?
[21:17] <fazer> Or is it possible that some variable names have to be changed and the tests will work?
[21:26] <krishna_ravi732> Hi, i am trying to run the dialer-app as per the HACKING file, however it talks about Ubuntu.Telephony and Ubuntu.Contacts module not being installed
[21:26] <krishna_ravi732> What packages do i have to install to get these modules?
[21:33] <mcinitreevan> fazer: Im not too sure, I havent looked at the old code for the terminal
[21:35] <mcinitreevan> krishna_ravi732: One second, let me take a look at the file so I can help out
[21:35] <krishna_ravi732> mcinitreevan: thank you!
[21:36] <mcinitreevan> krishna_ravi732: So when are you getting the error? (What command are you running?)
[21:36] <krishna_ravi732> ./src/dialer-app
[21:37] <mcinitreevan> So it build properly and everything?
[21:37] <krishna_ravi732> yes
[21:37] <krishna_ravi732> just running fails as its ubuntu contacts and telephony modules arent there
[21:40] <mcinitreevan> Yeah Im getting the same issue, what I would try is grabbing the source for those and building them, and then running 'make install' to install them, and then try running the dialer app, but Im not sure how well that would work
[21:40] <krishna_ravi732> mcinitreevan: oh thanks i got it!
[21:40] <mcinitreevan> You could also try running an emulator of a ubuntu phone, I think you can create emulators through the Ubuntu SDK
[21:41] <krishna_ravi732> sudo apt-get install qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-telephony0.1 qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-contacts0.1
[21:41] <krishna_ravi732> that fixed it
[21:41] <mcinitreevan> Aha, there you go
[21:41] <mcinitreevan> Much better than what I was thinking, lol
[21:41] <krishna_ravi732> mcinitreevan: i was trying to run it via an emulator, but i couldnt deploy it
[21:42] <mcinitreevan> Ah, well at least you figured it out :)
[21:48] <krishna_ravi732> again, it looks like i really need to run it in emulator
[21:48] <krishna_ravi732> attempting to replicate this bug: https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/4555594971217920/?sp-is_beginner=False
[21:48] <krishna_ravi732> but i get no network, and the call isnt made on the desktop
[22:07] <Girish> DanChapman: Updated the video. Can you check? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7coKgskZYZw
[22:08] <Girish> DanChapman: https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/5880796325871616/
[23:08] <darkxst> robbert, hi
[23:17] <ahayzen> fazer, yup the address-book-app, i even had a prototype branch somewhere
[23:18] <robbert> darkxst: hey, i will be finished in about 20 minutes
[23:23] <darkxst> robbert, ok, I just replied to your email btw
[23:25] <robbert> darkxst: ya thank you, thats why ill be finished :D
[23:34] <robbert> darkxst: so the debdiff of the old and the new package gives me no output, as files just have been modified but not added/removed
[23:35] <darkxst> debdiff shows all changes, did you apply the changes via quilt?
[23:37] <robbert> darkxst: havent yet, will do
[23:38] <darkxst> do you have a git patch?
[23:39] <robbert> darkxst: not yet, i thought i should do that with bazaar, but then you told me to use quiltj
[23:41] <darkxst> well bzr is ok as well, you can put that patch in debian/patches folder and add it the series file
[23:55] <fazer> ahayzen, can you direct me to the part of the address-book-app that has the fast scroll implemented, I can't find it.
[23:57] <ahayzen> fazer, let me try and find it, this was my prototype branch https://code.launchpad.net/~ahayzen/music-app/refactor-prototype-fast-scroll-tracks ... also I'm not sure how well this will work its sortof an explorative thing :-) but if it works well we'll merge it :-)
[23:57] <ahayzen> fazer, the FastScroll component itself is here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/address-book-app/trunk/view/head:/src/imports/Ubuntu/Contacts/FastScroll.qml and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/address-book-app/trunk/view/head:/src/imports/Ubuntu/Contacts/FastScroll.js
[23:58] <ahayzen> fazer, probably have a look at my old branch and then the address-book one.. then make a new branch that does it in the current app :-)
[23:58] <fazer> yeah I just saw that on the bug request for the music-app :P thanks
[23:58] <ahayzen> fazer, weather has it in the locations list IIRC as well
[23:59] <fazer> whats iirc?
[23:59] <ahayzen> fazer, yup http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-weather-dev/ubuntu-weather-app/reboot/view/head:/app/ui/AddLocationPage.qml#L269
[23:59] <ahayzen> IIRC = if i recall correctly


[06:38] <viejotren> folks i got question
[06:38] <viejotren> anyone may help?
[22:16] <Fanfare> Hi Folks, will rosegarden 10 be in Lucid?
[22:17] <Fanfare> Anyone working on that?
[22:42] <louiethecuban> hi everyone, sorry im late
[22:42] <louiethecuban> i had work and couldn't get here on time
[22:42] <louiethecuban> :[
[22:45] <louiethecuban> so, what's going on today