[04:00] <mwhudson> has anyone implemented du that works over a transport?
[04:58] <lifeless> mwhudson: repository info used to, I think. It was terrible.
[04:59] <mwhudson> ah yes, i think you're right
[04:59]  * mwhudson tries to remember why he asked
[07:16] <vila> hi all !
[07:19] <spm> heya vila!
[07:20] <vila> spm: hey there :)
[07:20] <spm> vila: nice shirt i noticed you wearing in some of the sprint photo's. something about google and to ask you instead. :-)
[07:20] <vila>  huh ? This got public ? OMG :-D
[07:20] <spm> hahaha
[07:21] <spm> I'll refrain from pointing out that you were walking around in public with that on....
[07:21] <vila> spm: for your enjoyment, you can try shuffling the words too, there are some interesting variations there :)
[07:21] <spm> quite possible
[07:21] <spm> possibly too even!
[09:08] <MAfifi> I've made a fatal mistake.
[09:09] <MAfifi> I've two projects on launchpad, namely listInstalledRPM and downloadRPM. I've, by mistake, pushed the trunk tree of the latter to the former.
[09:09] <MAfifi> Now I can't fall back.
[09:11] <poolie> MAfifi, did you do a push --overwrite?
[09:11] <poolie> or had you only pushed one of them
[09:12] <MAfifi> poolie: No it was just my first push to that project, so I normally used just push.
[09:22] <poolie> Mafifi ok so just push --overwrite what you do want to have there
[09:23] <MAfifi> poolie: Thank you, I used push --overwrite and it fortunately did exactly what I wanted.
[09:23] <poolie> great
[09:49] <jml> lifeless, I saw the bug report. ensaddening.
[09:52] <vila> jml, lifeless: who is 'he' ?
[09:57] <poolie> hi there vila
[09:58] <vila> poolie: hey
[09:58] <lifeless> vila: fuzzyman
[09:58] <poolie> how are you? what fabulous adventures will you have today?
[09:58] <poolie> lifeless,  this is your load_tests thing?
[09:58] <lifeless> yes
[09:59] <lifeless> he fairly casually, AFAICT, implemented a different protocol, breaking everyone using the bzr one.
[09:59] <poolie> ffs
[09:59] <james_w> rockstar: can you run the failing command again under "strace -o /tmp/strace.txt" and then send me that file?
[09:59] <spiv> yes, very ensaddening :(
[10:00] <rockstar> james_w, sure, one sec.
[10:00] <lifeless> I may be exaggeratig, I don't know the story behind the change.
[10:00] <lifeless> anyhooo
[10:01] <vila> on the -let-s-try-to-be-positive, 'pattern' can be said to be as arbitrary as 'module', in fact, I'm pretty sure both should be put in the loader letting any load_tests() function defines a new one for submodules if needed (or specialize whatever(
[10:01] <vila> s/(/)/
[10:01] <vila> hmm, not sure this sed command wont bring nasty comments...
[10:02] <rockstar> james_w, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/466360/
[10:02] <Meths> vila: like "That isn't the sed command you're looking for..."?
[10:03] <vila> Meths: this comment is ok :-)
[10:04] <james_w> rockstar: and that run gave the same error?
[10:04] <rockstar> james_w, yup.
[10:04] <james_w> rockstar: it's very odd
[10:04] <rockstar> james_w, yes, yes it is.
[10:09] <vila> poolie: I'm setting up a maverick slave to help jam/barry
[10:09] <poolie> in babune, running 2.7?
[10:09] <poolie> that sounds useful
[10:10] <vila> yeah, first step is: running default python, then py2.7
[10:10] <james_w> rockstar: it's looking for /home/rockstar/Projects/repos/tarmac/tarmac_0.3.2.orig.tar.gz but I think you are running the command in /home/rockstar/Projects/tarmac/packaging ?
[10:10] <rockstar> james_w, oh man.  Yeah, I've got lightweight checkouts setup.
[10:10] <vila> long term, I think we want a dedicated job to track python-trunk, at least the 2.x series
[10:11] <james_w> rockstar: then you have found a bug sir
[10:11] <james_w> rockstar: please to be filing with details of your setup
[10:11] <rockstar> james_w, indeed, and you have found a workaround for me.
[10:11] <vila> that would have helped detect this load_tests() issue far sooner, may be even in time to yell when it broke testtools/bzr
[10:11] <rockstar> james_w, thanks.
[10:14] <vila> poolie: well, when I said first step, I should have said 'next' :-) There were many small steps before to setup the new VM but it went pretty smoothly. I'm not ready to automate that though :)
[10:15] <vila> poolie: the nice thing is that I seem to have fixed an old bug there where some vms were failing to connect to dhcp and led to spurious failures in babune, so even less maintenance for me :D
[10:20] <vila> jam, lifeless: first run on babune for maverick/py26: http://paste.ubuntu.com/466370/
[10:21] <vila> subunit faliing to parse a date ? Rings anyone bell ?
[10:33] <poolie> spiv, do you know anything about automatic changelog merging?
[10:34] <poolie> vila that looks like stderr and stdout are getting mixed together badly
[10:34] <poolie> or something similar
[10:34] <jml> jam, https://devpad.canonical.com/~jml/no-accel-tree.gz (also -2, -3)
[10:35] <vila> poolie: subunit and testtools were out-of-date, dunno exactly why... retrying
[10:36] <vila> meh, this laste paste is bogus, where are my EOL gone ??? :)
[10:54] <spiv> poolie: bzr-builddeb registers a hook that does that, it seems to work quite well
[10:54] <poolie> ok, thanks
[10:54] <poolie> so that's one thing fixed from scottk's list
[10:58] <knittl> hi. is there a way i can print bazaar repository files?
[10:58] <knittl> hg has debug*
[10:58] <knittl> git has cat-file and ls-tree
[10:59] <LeoNerd> bzr cat $URL  ?
[11:00] <knittl> url?
[11:00] <knittl> no, i mean local repository
[11:00] <knittl> showing raw changelogs, indices, trees, blobs
[11:00] <LeoNerd> Oh.. Poke at the internals? No...
[11:00] <LeoNerd> For that, see /bin/cat  ;)
[11:00] <knittl> yep, internals
[11:00] <knittl> human readable if possible
[11:00] <knittl> so, not really raw
[11:00] <poolie> cat-inventory
[11:00] <knittl> git ls-tree also uncompresses the files :P
[11:01] <poolie> cat-revision
[11:01] <poolie> sorry that's just 'inventory'
[11:01] <LeoNerd> The internals aren't really meant for people to go prodding at
[11:01] <poolie> or open a python shell and poke at it
[11:01] <knittl> LeoNerd: but i need to :P
[11:01] <knittl> poolie: ok, that may help
[11:01] <poolie> for curiousity?
[11:01] <knittl> gotta go now, lunch time
[11:01] <knittl> poolie: no, for my bachelor's degree
[11:01] <poolie> i would use python
[11:02] <poolie> easier to script examination of ti
[11:10] <vila> spiv: http://babune.ladeuil.net:24842/job/selftest-maverick/3/ any chance you can produce a maverick version of your paramiko package
[11:10] <vila> ?
[11:14] <spiv> vila: sure
[11:14] <vila> spiv: great ! I thought you were asleep :)
[11:14] <spiv> I wonder what happened to my merge proposal for getting that patch added to ubuntu
[11:14] <spiv> vila: will be soon, most likely :)
[11:15] <spiv> vila: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~spiv/+recipe/paramiko-test/+build/340
[11:18] <vila> spiv: you rock !
[11:21] <spiv> vila: I just pressed a button :P
[11:22] <spiv> vila: hmm, build failed apparently.
[11:23] <spiv> In some obscure (to me) way.
[11:23] <spiv> Possibly it's just trying to tell me that the build-deps aren't right?
[11:24] <spiv> Hmm, I guess I am trying to build the lucid version on maverick with that recipe, so I suppose that's not so surprising.
[11:28] <vila> :-/
[11:30] <spiv> I'll make a new recipe tomorrow.  Hopefully I can figure out a way to use one recipe to apply the same patch to multiple distro series.
[11:31] <vila> spiv: ok, thanks
[15:24] <knittl> can i delete .bzr/obsolete_packs directory safely?
[15:24] <poolie> the contents of it
[15:24] <knittl> ok
[15:24] <knittl> thx
[15:24] <poolie> pack --delete-obsolete-packs does this
[15:25] <knittl> i don't want to repack again ^^
[15:26] <knittl> i only find a description of knit pack repositories
[15:26] <knittl> i know there exist several more formats
[15:26] <knittl> maybe not repo formats, but also branch formats
[15:26] <knittl> where can i find them?
[15:31] <knittl> and there is really no easy built-in way to have a look at bzr's internals?
[15:32] <poolie> use ipython
[15:32] <poolie> works very well
[15:38] <knittl> what is python?
[15:40] <knittl> just a python-shell?
[15:42] <lifeless> ipython
[15:42] <lifeless> its an interactive python shell with tab completion
[15:49] <knittl> docs.bazaar.canonical.com tells me to ask here :D
[15:49] <knittl> i don't want to write a lot of python …
[15:56] <jml> what's the constant for "null:"?
[15:56] <lifeless> revision.NULL_REVISION
[15:56] <lifeless> or something
[15:57] <lifeless> knittl: if you want to use bzr without writing python you can:
[15:57] <lifeless>  - use the xmlrpc server
[15:57] <jml> thanks.
[15:57] <lifeless>  - use java via jython or the xmlrpc server using bindings
[15:57] <knittl> i prefer not writing anything
[15:57] <lifeless>  - shell script it
[15:57] <lifeless> I don't know what you mean by that
[15:57] <knittl> the other dvcses all support some sort of debugprinting of repository structure
[15:58] <lifeless> there is a repositorydetails plugin
[15:58] <lifeless> or something-like-that
[15:58] <knittl> ok, i'll google it
[15:59] <knittl> hm no, statistics is not what i want
[16:00] <vila> knittl: there is no out-of-box solution for what you want, the plugin lifeless metioned will give you the best basis to write your own, which will be warmly welcomed
[16:00] <knittl> vila: ok, i'll have a look
[16:00] <knittl> although i'm _a little_ behind schedule :D
[16:00] <vila> knittl: giving a more precise explanation of what you want may help people help you find it
[16:01] <knittl> vila: i'm comparing different dvcs for university
[16:01] <knittl> and write about storage model, etc.
[16:01] <knittl> mercurial has debugindex and friends
[16:01] <knittl> git has cat-file commit, ls-tree and cat-file blob
[16:01] <knittl> bzr has nothing comparable. at least i could not find it easily
[16:02] <vila> knittl: great, you know hg and git, but here people knows bzr but not this level of detail about hg and git
[16:03] <knittl> ppl here know bzr, so i thought i'd ask
[16:03] <jelmer> knittl: I generally just use the Bazaar Python API
[16:03] <james_w> there's dump-btree, but not a complete suite of such tools I don't think
[16:03] <vila> so speaking about hg/git commands is not really enliHGtning
[16:03] <knittl> james_w: ok, that sounds better
[16:03] <knittl> although it segfaults here
[16:04] <knittl> vila: you asked what i wanted to do, and i told you what i did in git and hg to give a comparison of what i've already done and which worked
[16:04] <knittl> those were just examples. i want to view the storage model and write about it
[16:04] <knittl> types of objects, interactions, references, compression, etc.
[16:05] <vila> knittl: and I try to explain why you didn't get answers, if I failed, I'm sorry :)
[16:06] <knittl> vila: i can't really find good documentation on bzr's storage model
[16:06] <knittl> with google at least
[16:06] <knittl> reading source code seems like an endless adventure
[16:07] <knittl> but dump-btree suggests some form of binary tree
[16:07] <vila> knittl: *today* it's either reading the code or asking precise questions which requires some basic knowledge
[16:07] <vila> dum-btree will tell you which pack files are active for the repository
[16:08] <vila> repodetails will give you more entry points and how to access them
[16:08] <knittl> vila: i found my question rather precise
[16:08] <knittl> but i'll have a look at repodetails for that matter
[16:08] <poolie> knittl, ipytho
[16:08] <poolie> run ipython
[16:08] <knittl> before continuing complaining ^^
[16:08] <poolie> from bzrlilb.bzrdir import BzrDir
[16:08] <vila> knittl: my point is to explain why it wasn't precise enough to give you the answers you're after
[16:08] <poolie> bd = BzrDir.open('.')
[16:09] <poolie> then poke around in that object and follow links
[16:09] <poolie> repo= bd.open_repository()
[16:09] <knittl> vila: let's try this way: what objects uses bzr for storage of: commits, trees, files, tags, branches?
[16:10] <vila> knittl: start here: http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/MatthewFuller/SpotDocs/PiecesInBrief
[16:10] <knittl> ok. thanks
[16:10] <fullermd> Well, that's not gonna tell much about storage models  :p
[16:10] <vila> knittl: continue there: http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/MatthewFuller/SpotDocs/PiecesInLength
[16:10] <knittl> poolie: thanks to you too
[16:10] <vila> fullermd: it will give him the right words :)
[16:11] <vila> fullermd: and the entry points
[16:11] <vila> I'm not going to write the doc about the bzr data model right now and here :)
[16:11] <poolie> knittl, if you write docs and post them to the list we can correct them
[16:12] <vila> knittl: and keep in mind that bzr has used different formats with slight variations about the data model so you'd better focus on the last one: 2a
[16:12] <knittl> vila: yes, i know that there were different formats
[16:12] <knittl> but i can only find information on how to convert a repo, not about the exact differences between them
[16:13] <knittl> but now i'll read those wiki pages
[16:13] <knittl> thx
[16:13] <vila> I think jam blogged about the most important points in 2a
[16:14] <vila> knittl: chk maps and group compress
[16:14] <knittl> btw, are there any books about bzr?
[16:15] <knittl> the last time i looked i couldn't find a single one
[16:15] <jelmer> knittl: There are no books yet
[16:15] <knittl> jelmer: ok. bad for me :(
[16:21] <vila> jam: ping
[16:22] <jelmer> knittl: Yeah, we should fix that at some point :-(
[16:32] <jam> hi vila
[16:39] <vila> hey jam, I thought you mentioned a ppa with a python-2.7 from barry but I can't find it
[16:39] <vila> jam: I have a maverick slave setup on babune on the test suite ~passing there
[16:39] <jam> vila: ppa:doko/toolchain
[16:39] <jam> has maverick I believe
[16:39] <jam> and one of barry's starts making python2.7 as part of 'python-defaults'
[16:39] <jam> I don't really know the state
[16:40] <jam> so something like
[16:40] <jam>  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:doko/toolchain
[16:40] <jam> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install python2.7
[16:41] <jam> vila: ^^
[16:41] <vila> jam: almost done
[16:42] <vila> I need python-2.7-dev too I presume
[16:43] <vila> jam: I fixed 2 of the 3 failures on maverick if you want to review the patch ;-)
[16:44] <vila> hmm, default python is still 2.6.5+ but python2.7 is in the path
[16:46] <jam> vila: right, python-defaults describes what pythons are *available* as well as which is default
[16:46] <jam> the goal for maverick is 2.7 available-but-not-default
[16:46] <jam> vila: already reviewed the http one
[16:46] <vila> sure, I wasn't sure what the ppa was doing
[16:46] <jam> 3 times
[16:47] <vila> jam: cool, argh, sry for the second one then :)
[16:51] <vila> jam: so, since I override BaseHTTPServer, I closely followed what was done there, specifically the atttributes are used only by this method so putting them far away... make them *less* discoverable
[16:55] <jam> vila: though it doesn't conform to *our* style guide, which makes it harder for me as a bzr-hacker
[16:55] <jam> (not positive what style says, but we do avoid local class members)
[16:56] <jam> certainly it can be a bit tricky to recognize the ident level
[16:56] <vila> jam: inherited design
[16:56] <vila> jam: since we don't define the base class it's hard to follow *our* rules
[16:57] <vila> I can *delete* them even if that's make you more happy
[16:57] <jam> vila: it is *our* code...
[16:57] <jam> vila: ultimately, I'll let you decide.
[16:57] <jam> I just saw that and noticed that I find that kind of code hard to read.
[16:58] <vila> jam: try the base class for fun :-/
[16:58] <vila> jam: the responses attribute is the last one defined in the class after all existing methods and attributes
[17:03] <vila> gee, lp is... capricious today
[17:15] <jam> vila: what's up for you?
[17:16] <vila> landing the fixes and running the test suite with py27
[17:16] <jam> vila: I mean what is going wrong with lp for you
[17:17] <vila> timeouts on mps
[17:17] <vila> but transient ones
[17:19] <vila> argh, no pyrex...
[17:19] <vila> jam: what's the status across bzr/testtools regarding unittest._WritelnDecorator ?
[17:27] <jam> vila: we dropped some timeouts in the lp code
[17:28] <jam> vila: lifeless mentions "can you please file a bug including the OOPS info"
[17:28] <jam> (from 17+s down to ~12s)
[17:29] <vila> I didn't get OOPS, only 'try again later'
[17:29] <jam> you're in the beta tester team, right? (edge urls not regular ones)
[17:29] <vila> yup
[17:29] <jam> vila: there should have been an "OOPS-XXX" string in the try-again-later page
[17:29] <jam> but if you missed it that is ok
[17:29] <jam> mentioning that mp's are timing out is still useful
[17:30] <vila> jam: the pages are long gone
[17:30] <jam> vila: sure. Robert is pushing hard on lp performance, and trying to get that into the culture
[17:30] <jam> so expect some teething
[17:30] <vila> I thought the OOPS were reported to devs anyway, I didn't think I should poke especially for transient ones
[17:30] <lifeless> vila: for future ref' please make sure there is a bug with the oops number in it.
[17:30] <jam> vila: they get 100s of oops per day
[17:30] <lifeless> robots cause oopses
[17:30] <jam> unfortunately
[17:30] <lifeless> but robots don't file bug
[17:30] <lifeless> s
[17:30] <vila> lifeless: ok
[17:31] <jam> having poked at the code recently
[17:31] <jam> there are quite a few bits that are doing big scans and pulling out only a row or two
[17:31] <jam> which after the data is in memory, aren't that bad
[17:31] <jam> which are hard to push hard on
[17:36] <jam> btw vila, thanks for giving me access to saw, it means I can test meliae on a 64-bit platform easily :)
[17:36] <vila> jam: keep in mind I'll shut it down Thursday
[17:37] <jam> vila: for good? or just for a while?
[17:37] <jam> anyway, probably heading out to dinner now. Have a good evening
[17:37] <vila> jam: just during my vacations :)
[17:37] <vila> jam: you too !
[18:23] <adiroiban> Hi, any idea why I get - "wpad://": No host component
[18:23] <adiroiban> this is on a bzr-svn branch
[18:23] <adiroiban> and yesterday I was able to work on that branch
[18:24] <jelmer> adiroiban: Hi
[18:25] <jelmer> adiroiban: That's odd - can you paste a traceback?
[18:25] <jelmer> adiroiban: is "wpad://" part of a URL you're working with?
[18:25] <adiroiban> no
[18:25] <adiroiban> the url is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:26] <Meths> On windows?
[18:26] <adiroiban> i tried bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:26] <adiroiban> but same result
[18:26] <jelmer> adiroiban: a backtrace would be useful - if you don't get one on the command-line -Derror should help.
[18:28] <adiroiban> http://paste.ubuntu.com/466561/
[18:29] <adiroiban> I am now on Karmic with python 2.6 as default python version
[18:32] <jelmer> Any proxies involved?
[18:32] <lathiat> I am guessing that you have set a proxy in the Ubuntu settings
[18:33] <lathiat> which gets imported into the shell variables, go
[18:33] <lathiat> export -a |grep wpad
[18:33] <lathiat> sorry just
[18:33] <lathiat> export|grep wpad
[18:33] <adiroiban> jelmer: yep.
[18:33] <adiroiban> not sure who has defined that variable
[18:33] <lathiat> if you set it in ubuntu proxy settings theres something in the gnome session thing that sets it
[18:35] <adiroiban> thanks for the help. That was the problem. Web Proxy Autodiscovery Protocol was somehow set in gnome.
[18:37] <jelmer> makes for one hell of a confusing error though :-/
[18:37] <lifeless> hey jelmer, thanks for your note.
[18:37] <lifeless> are you back home ?
[18:37] <jelmer> hi lifeless
[18:38] <jelmer> lifeless: yep, got back late on Sunday
[18:38] <lifeless> cool
[18:38] <jelmer> are you still in Europe or just jetlagged ? :-)
[18:38] <lifeless> #launchpad-dev on this network might be worth adding to your joinlist
[18:38] <lifeless> in prague
[18:38] <jelmer> lifeless: I'm there actually, as rinze
[18:38] <lifeless> why not as jelmer ?
[18:39] <jelmer> I use two different IRC clients these days, in an attempt to keep work and private stuff separate
[18:39] <lifeless> ah
[18:39] <GaryvdM> Hi lifeless and jelmer
[18:39] <lifeless> hi GaryvdM
[18:39] <GaryvdM> How was the sprint?
[18:39] <jelmer> 'evening Gary
[18:39] <lifeless> GaryvdM: great
[18:40] <GaryvdM> lifeless: Good to hear.
[19:29] <GaryvdM> Hi mgz.
[19:32] <alkisg> Hi, can I tell bzr to ignore *.dcu but still clear them with bzr clean-tree?
[19:33] <GaryvdM> alkisg: Use bzr clean-tree --ignore ?
[19:33] <GaryvdM> sorry bzr clean
[19:33] <GaryvdM> sorry bzr clean-tree --ignored
[19:33] <alkisg> Thank you GaryvdM, that looks to be what I want.
[21:47] <mgz> hey GaryvdM if you're still up. I'll give your 2.2b4 installer a go.
[21:50] <stupenrose> Hi everyone.  I'm migrating some svn stuff to bzr using bzr-svn.  I'm running into a problem with a few of my svn branches.  Basically, I get an error like so:
[21:50] <stupenrose> stu@ruth:/home/stu# bzr branch http://my-svn-server.com/project-name/trunk
[21:50] <stupenrose> bzr: ERROR: The branch http://my-svn-server.com/project-name/trunk has no revision None
[21:51] <stupenrose> Anyway, I found some old bugs that seemed to match my symptoms, but they appear to have been fixed.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-svn/+bug/233964  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-svn/+bug/295284 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-svn/+bug/364416
[21:52] <stupenrose> running "bzr --version" gives:
[21:52] <stupenrose> Bazaar (bzr) 2.1.1
[21:52] <stupenrose>   Python interpreter: /usr/bin/python 2.6.5
[21:52] <stupenrose>   Python standard library: /usr/lib/python2.6
[21:52] <stupenrose>   Platform: Linux-<IP_ADDRESS>-rscloud-x86_64-with-Ubuntu-10.04-lucid
[21:52] <stupenrose>   bzrlib: /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/bzrlib
[21:52] <stupenrose>   Bazaar configuration: /root/.bazaar
[21:52] <stupenrose>   Bazaar log file: /root/.bzr.log
[21:52] <stupenrose> Copyright 2005-2010 Canonical Ltd.
[21:52] <stupenrose> http://bazaar-vcs.org/
[21:52] <stupenrose> bzr comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.  bzr is free software, and
[21:52] <stupenrose> you may use, modify and redistribute it under the terms of the GNU
[21:52] <stupenrose> General Public License version 2 or later.
[21:52] <stupenrose> Bazaar is part of the GNU Project to produce a free operating system.
[21:53] <stupenrose> Anybody else run across this?
[21:56] <mgz> if noone who knows bzr-svn shows up shortly, file a bug with the full traceback from .bzr.log and a link to your svn server if it's public
[21:57] <stupenrose> ok.  I'm working through the 'file a bug' wizard now.
[22:08] <jelmer> stupenrose, hi
[22:08] <stupenrose> howdy!
[22:08] <jelmer> stupenrose: what version of bzr-svn?
[22:08] <stupenrose> lemme see...
[22:09] <stupenrose> according to 'bzr plugins': svn 1.0.2
[22:10] <knittl> how are revids in bzr calculated
[22:11] <jelmer> knittl: They're globally unique per revision
[22:12] <jelmer> knittl: How they're generated depends on the way the commit is created
[22:12] <jelmer> knittl: if they're native commits made by "bzr commit" they're pseudorandom (formed from email-address, timestamp and randomized string)
[22:13] <toabctl>  i downloaded a package with "bzr branch lp:ubuntu/xf86-input-wacom" , changed the package to a new upstream version and want to push th package now back to launchpad and send a merge request. how can i push the package to launchpad?
[22:13] <jelmer> knittl: commits imported from bzr-svn for example use the branch path, repository uuid and revision number
[22:13] <knittl> aha. ok
[22:14] <knittl> so no hashing?
[22:14] <knittl> like 'identical' commits will give the same revid
[22:14] <jelmer> knittl: Hashes for each revision are stored but they are not used to address the commit
[22:15] <jelmer> only for integrity checking
[22:15] <jelmer> (hashes are bound to a particular serialization of commits)
[22:15] <knittl> i see. thanks
[22:46] <stupenrose> mgz: you mentioned including the full traceback from ."bzr.log" ... I'm not seeing such a file.  In my case, it fails before the branch is fully created, so there isn't really a .bzr directory.  I do have an assosciated repo dir, but I don't see such a log there either.  What am I missing?
   Bazaar log file: /root/.bzr.log
[22:48] <stupenrose> ah, I see.  thanks.
[22:48] <mgz> if you don't have write access to that location, set BZR_HOME to somewhere you do, and run the attempt again
[22:48] <mgz> though, jelmer is the right person to talk to if you can get his attention again
[22:48] <stupenrose> roger that.
[22:49] <stupenrose> jelmer: should I file a bug for this one?
[22:49] <jelmer> stupenrose, does your repository contain any revisions created by bzr-svn?
[22:51] <stupenrose> I believe so.  If you're asking whether I've pushed commits out to svn using bzr: yes.
[22:53] <stupenrose> If you're asking whether my /bzr/ repository hosts bzr-svn branches, the answer is also yes.  Though, as far as that goes, I've tried branching these problem branches without using my bzr repo, and the result is the same.
[22:54] <jelmer> stupenrose: please file a bug
[22:54] <stupenrose> ok.  will do.  thank you for your help.
[22:54] <jelmer> stupenrose: it would be useful to have the full backtrace though, that might require commenting out some code in bzrlib/builtins.py
[22:55] <stupenrose> does this look like it is full enough?:
[22:55] <stupenrose> Tue 2010-07-20 16:29:03 -0400
[22:55] <stupenrose> 0.038  bazaar version: 2.1.1
[22:55] <stupenrose> 0.038  bzr arguments: [u'branch', u'http://svn.cmaxdev.com/fortress/trunk', u'test1234']
[22:55] <stupenrose> 0.044  looking for plugins in /root/.bazaar/plugins
[22:55] <stupenrose> 0.044  looking for plugins in /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/bzrlib/plugins
[22:55] <stupenrose> 0.133  encoding stdout as sys.stdout encoding 'UTF-8'
[22:55] <stupenrose> 0.168  bzr-svn: using Subversion 1.6.6 ()
[22:55] <stupenrose> 1.808  Traceback (most recent call last):
[22:55] <stupenrose>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/bzrlib/commands.py", line 853, in exception_to_return_code
[22:55] <stupenrose>     return the_callable(*args, **kwargs)
[22:55] <stupenrose>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/bzrlib/commands.py", line 1055, in run_bzr
[22:55] <stupenrose>     ret = run(*run_argv)
[22:55] <stupenrose>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/bzrlib/commands.py", line 661, in run_argv_aliases
[22:55] <jelmer> stupenrose: please don't paste lots of lines of text but use pastebin instead next time :-)
[22:56] <stupenrose> sorry: I be IRC newbie.
[22:56] <jelmer> stupenrose: In particular the full error message - the actual revision id rather than "None"
[22:56] <stupenrose> (it all comes through on one line with jabber)
[23:00] <stupenrose> I've got builtins.py up in vim: any hints as to what needs to be commented-out?
[23:01] <jelmer> in the cmd_branch class, there should be a place where we catch NoSuchRevision
[23:01] <jelmer> and instead we raise a different revision (BzrCommandError I think)
[23:01] <jelmer> just re-raise the original exception
[23:01] <stupenrose> ok
[23:01] <jelmer> s/different revision/different exception/
[23:10] <stupenrose> ok.  I think I did it right.  this look better? http://pastebin.com/hNuLCDDi
[23:10] <LeoNerd> Anyone happen to know if bzr-git supports 'bzr branch URL' from any branch other than the head?
[23:11] <LeoNerd> I'm finding docs rather thin on the ground, also
[23:12] <jelmer> stupenrose, yep, thanks
[23:12] <stupenrose> cool. okey doke, I'll include that with the bug.  thanks again!
[23:12] <jelmer> LeoNerd: It does, but bzr doesn't have a UI for addressing such branches yet
[23:12] <LeoNerd> Ooh... hmmm.. I thought I'd try   bzr branch http://.../foo.git/branchname   but that didn't work
[23:13] <LeoNerd> Any way to abuse it into doing so, or am I ought of luck here?
[23:13] <jelmer> LeoNerd: http://.../foo.git,branchname should work in the future (bzr 2.3 hopefully)
[23:13] <LeoNerd> Ahhh
[23:20] <stupenrose> FYI, bug entered: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-svn/+bug/607986


[03:21] <DarkTrick> The installation dialoging is extremely slow
[03:22] <DarkTrick> E.g. after choosing Keyboard layout I need to way for 2 to 3 minutes to reach the next screen
[03:22] <DarkTrick> is this xubuntu specific or does installing from live CD come from Ubuntu?
[03:29] <DarkTrick> hm... it seems like ubuntu driven. The process called ubiquity
[03:46] <genii> It can also be that your USB port or stick is a bottlenck
[03:47] <genii> I bought some "Philips" branded USB sticks at Best Buy maybe a month ago that were fake and getting something like 5Kbps transfer rates
[03:52] <DarkTrick> genii, ah, and due to that the install process can get it's information only very slowly
[03:53] <genii> Yes
[03:55] <genii> This slowdown could also happen for other reasons. But at least it *is prgressing, if slowly
[03:55] <SQ> hello
[03:56] <SQ> hope you are having a nice time.  I just installed xubuntu, before I had mint
[03:57] <SQ> I was mainly just following the instructions of a friend. All day long I tried to install either windows 10 or xubuntu via USB
[03:57] <SQ> But was unable to do either because at the very end the grub file was missing and gave me a fatal error on both
[03:58] <SQ> I went into the terminal before the last installation antempt and tried some commands to install grub
[03:59] <SQ> and on the next restart it seems to be working. My friend is dead asleep now... and I need to work out if I did in fact get the installation through
[04:01] <SQ> if anyone could answer me one or both of these two questions you-d be doing me a fabulous favor and rock my world
[04:02] <SQ> 1> what ubuntu does xubuntu run_ how can I see this?
[04:02] <SQ> 2. does anyone know if davinci resolve runs on xubuntu?
[04:10] <Bashing-om> SQ: 1) (x)ubuntu is a sister/flavour of the (u)buntu sysyem. xubuntu runs xfce as the desktop environmnet, whereas ubuntu runs GNOME. Yo see what the present kernel is run terminal command ' uname -r ' // 2) Yes; see: https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/06/how-to-install-davinci-resolve-15-in.html for one instance.
[04:13] <SQ> thanks
[04:13] <SQ> <3
[04:14] <Bashing-om> SQ: :D Welcome to xubuntu .
[04:14] <SQ> one more, maybe too dumb, question... is there a way to make sure my grup is working properly
[04:15] <SQ> grub
[04:15] <SQ> I dont even know for sure if my installation finished succesfully
[04:16] <SQ> as just before reboot after grub error I could use firefox a bit
[04:20] <Bashing-om> SQ: Lots of commands to see aspects of grub - sudo grub-probe -t device /boot/grub ; sudo grub-probe -t fs_uuid /boot/grub ; sudo lshw -C Disk -short. All these look sane ? But in general if systems boot - grub is not broke.
[04:38] <SQ> It has been a crazy day of so many reboots and reinstalations
[04:38] <SQ> I-ve lost my mind
[04:40] <SQ> hehehe! But I guess I just got to reboot now and see. Also, change my keyboard settings. Thank you so much
[04:47] <Bashing-om> SQ: We are here to help :D
[04:47] <kotek14> Hiya Bashing-om
[04:47] <kotek14> I'm back
[04:48] <Bashing-om> kotek14: Back is a good thing ?
[04:48] <kotek14> Bashing-om: depends
[04:48] <kotek14> Bashing-om: Are you by any chance familiar with JavaScript?
[04:49] <Bashing-om> kotek14: No I must admit that I am not - that might be a good thing.
[04:50] <kotek14> Bashing-om: I might agree with you - Python seems much more logical.
[04:51] <Bashing-om> kotek14: So far python and bash have met all my needs.
[07:12] <Elvis> Installed xubuntu as guest on windows 10 using vmware player - configured windows host printer using thin print - however i printed a single page of a pdf document and it printed 8 pages of garbage before i powered off the printer - please help fix
[07:13] <Elvis> I am running 20.04 xubuntu


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUaJ8pDlxi8
 Damn it!
 @AdamOutler, I watched that yesterday and agree
 From qz.com … https://qz.com/1260811/apples-second-quarter-2018-analyst-expect-poor-iphone-x-sales/
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[04:12] <stephenthemartyr> how do you compile a tar.gz2 file?if anyone has time
[04:12] <holstein> that depends
[04:12] <holstein> how about this
[04:12] <holstein> what are you trying to do?
[04:13] <stephenthemartyr> trying to get the gx_head amp modular for jack
[04:14] <holstein> ok, so you have JACk and you want what?
[04:15] <stephenthemartyr> im looking for gx-head but i have guitarix but it has no way to choose between amp modulators
[04:16] <holstein> this is what you are talking about?
[04:16] <holstein> http://sourceforge.net/apps/wordpress/guitarix/tag/gx_head/ ?
[04:16] <stephenthemartyr> yea thats it
[04:17] <stephenthemartyr> i think i downloaded a 0.17.0 versioln
[04:17] <stephenthemartyr> *version
[04:18] <stephenthemartyr> dude that looks so awesome and i did download the .17 but i cant "make' it
[04:19] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: there should be instructions in the file
[04:19] <holstein> a README
[04:20] <stephenthemartyr> ddd
[04:20] <stephenthemartyr> yea i dont understand the directions
[04:20] <holstein> you'll need all the dependancies
[04:20] <stephenthemartyr> of the read me
[04:20] <stephenthemartyr> i got htem
[04:20] <holstein> its really case by case
[04:20] <stephenthemartyr> *them
[04:20] <holstein> ALSO, then you'll need to maintain it
[04:20] <holstein> i would look for a PPA
[04:20] <holstein> or a .deb
[04:21] <stephenthemartyr> oh brother
[04:21] <stephenthemartyr> ok
[04:23] <stephenthemartyr> http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/linux-distributions/linux-distributions4-ubuntu/1707-awoken-icon-set-20-is-available-ppa-ubuntu?amp&amp&+Tutorials%29
[04:23] <stephenthemartyr> you think this is legit?
[04:23] <stephenthemartyr> whats a .deb?
[04:24] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~alecive/+archive/antigone
[04:24] <holstein> look legit to me
[04:25] <stephenthemartyr> that link is the same as the one i put up?
[04:26] <holstein> thats the PPA hosting the icons pack
[04:26] <stephenthemartyr> i mean same ppa
[04:26] <stephenthemartyr> so how do i get gx-head?
[04:26] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~alecive
[04:26] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: if i were you, i would wait til someone builds a .deb or a PPA
[04:27] <holstein> i would ask in #opensourcemusicians and see if anyone is using it
[04:27] <stephenthemartyr> ok
[04:27] <holstein> falktx will build it for you if you catch him with enough time
[04:27] <holstein> he'll build it and put it in his PPA :)
[04:27] <stephenthemartyr> reaLLY?
[04:28] <stephenthemartyr> how do i find him?
[04:28] <stephenthemartyr> plus where do i sign up to get involved with ubuntustudio?
[04:28] <holstein> just join #ubuntustudio-devel and the mailing lists
[04:29] <holstein> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
[04:29] <holstein> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
[04:29] <stephenthemartyr> cool thanks man
[04:30] <stephenthemartyr> also i joined a linux beginners forum and I think i made people mad:( do you know any well explained sites that might teach me some stuff i need tro know?
[04:30] <stephenthemartyr> its ok if not
[04:31] <holstein> the wikis really
[04:32] <holstein> theres all kinds of wikis
[04:32] <stephenthemartyr> oh ok just type in wiki and i could find a list?
[04:32] <holstein> what are you looking for?
[04:33] <stephenthemartyr> also on these email forums how do i get in touch with falktx?
[04:33] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Python
[04:33] <holstein> i found that ^^ by googling 'ubuntu wiki python'
[04:33] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: you can find falk online
[04:33] <stephenthemartyr> i just want to know what im doing especially with getting the best programs and the music software
[04:33] <holstein> and you dont want to just hit him with 'build me a package'
[04:34] <stephenthemartyr> haha
[04:34] <stephenthemartyr> i know
[04:34] <stephenthemartyr> i wouldnt do that
[04:34] <holstein> you can search kxstudio and try emailing him there if you want
[04:34] <holstein> i would just catch him online and talk to him
[04:34] <stephenthemartyr> ok
[04:34] <stephenthemartyr> thanks
[04:34] <stephenthemartyr> i reALLY Appreciate you helpin me
[04:34] <holstein> there is no *best* music programs
[04:34] <holstein> period
[04:34] <holstein> not protools or any of em
[04:35] <stephenthemartyr> ok how to use them best
[04:35] <holstein> its just what works for you
[04:35] <holstein> JACK is really the only tool of its kind
[04:35] <holstein> other than that, its all a preference
[04:35] <stephenthemartyr> hey how did you put your jazz songfs on a webpage like that?they were awesome!
[04:37] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: thanks
[04:37] <holstein> thats a free service offered by bandcamp.com
[04:37] <holstein> they take a resonable cut of sales
[04:38] <stephenthemartyr> oh ok i put a link to my tumblr opn ardour in hopes of getting some mixing feedback but it requires you to have a tumblr yourself which isnt gunna get me lots of advice
[04:38] <stephenthemartyr> ha
[04:39] <holstein> i have a soundcloud account
[04:39] <holstein> dont use it much though
[07:29] <stephenthemartyr> hey holstein somehow i have jackdbus or something runnimng instead of reg jackd and i cant find any answers,i hate to bother nyou again but could you please help me
[07:31] <stephenthemartyr> i have no sound from any jack applications and i cant kill it in the terminal
[07:32] <stephenthemartyr> or can anyone please help me
[08:54] <astraljava> stephenthemartyr: Do you have any idea how you got that into your system? I cannot find any traces of it on 11.04.
[09:00] <astraljava> stephenthemartyr: Apparently you have either installed a .deb someone gave you, or you compiled from sources. If the former, do `sudo dpkg -r jackdbus` or whatever the package name is. If latter, then go to the source base directory, and type `sudo make uninstall`.
[09:00] <astraljava> Please report back.
[09:01] <AutoStatic> astraljava: Helped him out on #opensourcemusicians
[09:01] <astraljava> AutoStatic: Ahh... cool, cool. :)
[09:01] <AutoStatic> Flash plug-in was locking his soundcard
[09:01] <astraljava> Right.


[01:23] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Wouldn't be the first time we've seen that behavior from matasaman. Looking...
[01:24] <arraybolt3> Thanks :)
[01:40] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: I couldn't find anything extraordinarily CoC breaking, but I wouldn't mind seeing you quote it. That said, he toes the line a lot, but the other thing I'm objecting to is that he seems to be clearly steering people away from using Ubuntu while in an Ubuntu support channel, which IMO should be added to !guidelines.
[01:43] <arraybolt3> I mean, if it's not that big a deal, I can just let it go, but the number of times he insulted my intelligence for pointing out a difference in security maintenance was a bit... demotivating?
[01:43] <arraybolt3> dpaste.com doesn't want to let me make a paste :P
[01:44] <Eickmeyer> I know, he's done the same to me.
[01:44] <arraybolt3> Anyway, this is the main part: https://termbin.com/kc37
[01:45] <arraybolt3> I wouldn't think it was that big of a deal if this wasn't a recurring thing.
[01:45] <Eickmeyer> It's recurring, for sure.
[01:45] <Eickmeyer> Highly opinionated individual that seems to think everyone else's opinion is "silly".
[01:48] <arraybolt3> Anyway, that's all the info I have, and you know my opinion on it, so I guess I can consider this handled now. Thanks for taking the time to check :)
[01:48] <arraybolt3> (well that and I did tell him to google DARVO when he told me that saying he was unfriendly, was itself unfriendly :P)
[01:48] <arraybolt3> (but that was in a private message)
[01:49] <Eickmeyer> That's fine. Honestly, his behavior is more offtopic and unfriendly, but not overtly CoC violating. He's been a known problem for a while.
[01:50] <Eickmeyer> He's antagonistic for sure.
[01:50] <arraybolt3> +1, that makes sense to me.
[01:50] <arraybolt3> kk, I should probably go before getting kicked :P Thanks again!
[01:51] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Nah, it's OK, your situ... nvm.
[01:51] <Eickmeyer> His situation isn't yet dealt with.
[14:19] <cosmicwonder> hey we need assistance in #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:20] <cosmicwonder> this troll dude is going crazy and pinging me nonstop
[14:30] -ubottu:#ubuntu-ops- Eickmeyer called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic ()
[14:36] -ubottu:#ubuntu-ops- Eickmeyer called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (Guest38 consitent trolling)
[14:47] -ubottu:#ubuntu-ops- Eickmeyer called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (jailedIn / user9d CoC violations / rule violations / coarse language)
[14:50] <Eickmeyer> Sorry about the multiple calls, it was really bad. Was hoping to catch somebody.
[15:34] -ubottu:#ubuntu-ops- Eickmeyer called the ops in #ubuntu-server (Guest73 trolling in -server too)


[00:44] <pabloff9_> hello there
[00:45] <pabloff9_> I need help finding documentation on scopes for Unity 7
[00:45] <pabloff9_> I can only find them for Unity 8
[00:54] <inder_gt> hey guys, whats the better way to do indicator applets, pygtk or pygi?
[00:57] <sergiusens> pabloff9_: inder_gt both your questions might be better answered in #ubuntu-unity
[00:58] <inder_gt> got it sergiusens thanks
[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[07:04] <kalikiana> t1mp: please review this again https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/sourceOverflow/+merge/229960
[07:07] <justCarakas> Good mornign all
[07:24] <justCarakas> I'm working on a game, for those who want to try a test version: http://kamisado.gigapps.be/
[08:07] <t1mp> kalikiana: ok
[08:38] <kalikiana> t1mp: I fixed the typo in the FFFF florian noted and merged staging in https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/offWhite/+merge/229973 I can't see any failures except before I cleaned the branch after the merge, so I assume you had some left-over files when you got those errors
[08:40] <t1mp> kalikiana: perhaps it was an issue fixed in staging
[08:40] <t1mp> kalikiana: I'll review again
[08:40] <kalikiana> t1mp: it wasn't, it passed before as jenkins agrees on
[08:40] <kalikiana> hm, though I guess j would have merged it automatically
[08:41] <kalikiana> well, whichever it was, it seems to pass now
[08:54] <kalikiana> nik90: I noticed, as I got asked about example code, this is still collecting dust https://code.launchpad.net/~uonedb-qt/u1db-qt/advanced-game/+merge/209920
[08:55] <nik90> kalikiana: I will look at it now and try to get it merged today.
[08:55] <kalikiana> nik90: that would rock!
[08:55] <nik90> kalikiana: will ping you for a review a bit later
[09:35] <nik90> t1mp: Is it not possible to do Action { id: sampleaction }, and then use that in head.actions: [ Action { action: sampleaction } ] ?
[09:36] <nik90> t1mp: I want to define an action in one place and use it in other places
[09:37] <t1mp> nik90: yes
[09:37] <t1mp> nik90: did you try it?
[09:37] <nik90> t1mp: I did
[09:37] <nik90> t1mp: it says "Cannot assign to non-existent property "action""
[09:37] <t1mp> should be head.actions: [ sampleAction ]
[09:37] <nik90> ah that works yes
[09:37] <nik90> thnx
[09:37] <t1mp> :)
[09:55] <nik90> kalikiana: I updated the example to use the latest sdk headers and fixed some icon paths.
[09:56] <nik90> kalikiana: Is there anything in particular you would like to me to add?
[09:56] <nik90> kalikiana: I went through the example and it shows indexing and querying quite nicely
[10:02] <nik90> mzanetti: hey, good afternoon
[10:02] <nik90> mzanetti: when you have some time, can you show me how to run qmltestrunner within qtcreator
[10:08] <kalikiana> nik90: niiiiice upgrade. I think it's fine feature-wise. I'd probably add other samples rather than making this more complex.
[10:08] <kalikiana> if you're new, it tends to be more confusing than helpful if it there's too much at once
[10:11]  * kalikiana changed it to Needs Review to get CI going
[10:11] <DanChapman> Good Morning all o/
[10:16] <nik90> kalikiana: other samples to the same qml project? or as a new project?
[10:17] <nik90> kalikiana: nvrmind I got it :)
[10:17] <kalikiana> new project :-)
[10:18] <nik90> kalikiana, t1mp: Question for either of you. Say I have a PageStack where I push Page1 and then on clicking a button I push Page2. In my QML Unit Test, I have only defined PageStack and Page1. After pushing Page2, how do I access elements in Page2?
[10:19] <nik90> I tried, var page2 = findChild(Page, "page2objectname")
[10:19] <nik90> and then, var elementinPage2 = findChild(page2, "elementobjectname)
[10:19] <nik90> but that dint work
[10:20] <kalikiana> could it be a race? is the page in a loader?
[10:20] <nik90> Page2 isn't in a loader. It is just defined in a separate file.
[10:20] <nik90> I can access Page2 by clicking on a header button in Page1.
[10:20] <nik90> since I defined Page1 in my test, I can access the header button
[10:20] <mzanetti> nik90: hi
[10:21] <nik90> mzanetti: hi :)
[10:21] <mzanetti> nik90: I don't think I've ran qmltestrunner from within qtcreator...
[10:21] <mzanetti> nik90: however, if you have a make target for it, you should be able to select that in qtc
[10:21] <nik90> mzanetti: I thought u showed of runnign unity8 tests in qtc
[10:22] <mzanetti> nik90: hmm... maybe... IIRC someone asked that question and I just told the same
[10:22] <mzanetti> nik90: if you have a make target for it, you should be able to select that in qtc
[10:23] <nik90> mzanetti: can I add the make target in the cmake file itself?
[10:23] <nik90> mzanetti: or do I need a separate makefile
[10:23] <mzanetti> no, you don't need a separate make file
[10:23] <mzanetti> nik90: but don't you have that already?
[10:23] <mzanetti> "make test" does execute your tests, no?
[10:24] <nik90> make test does execute the tests, but that's defined in the cmake files
[10:24] <nik90> we don't have a separate make file
[10:26] <nik90> mzanetti: I think this is fine since it is a minor inconvenience. I think I hit a bigger issue though.
[10:27] <mzanetti> nik90: why would you want a separate make file?
[10:27] <nik90> mzanetti: I don't, its just that I noticed in the default qtc templates that they add a separate makefile with the instructions to run AP and unit tests
[10:27] <nik90> mzanetti: so I figured may be I might need it
[10:28] <mzanetti> nik90: no... drop that
[10:28] <mzanetti> we're not writing makefiles manually any more
[10:28] <mzanetti> :)
[10:28] <nik90> :)
[10:30] <nik90> mzanetti: I started writing a bigger qml test which involves creating a new alarm. However I am unable to access the elements in the pages I push.
[10:31] <nik90> mzanetti: these pages I push, I didn't declare them in my test file.
[10:31] <nik90> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/10-add-more-qmltests/view/head:/tests/unit/tst_alarm.qml
[10:31] <nik90> I only declared the first alarmPage.qml. The rest of the file like alarmRepeat.qml, alarmSound.qml etc are pushed but not declared. Any thoughts on how to access them?
[10:32] <nik90> or is that a wrong way to do in qml tests?
[10:32] <mzanetti> no... its ok
[10:32] <mzanetti> what exactly is the issue? I didn't understand
[10:32] <mzanetti> you can findChile() anything in the object tree
[10:32] <mzanetti> findChild() :)
[10:33] <mzanetti> line 60 is broken... what us "Page" ?
[10:33] <nik90> yup it fails at https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/10-add-more-qmltests/view/head:/tests/unit/tst_alarm.qml#L60
[10:33] <nik90> Page is a SDK Page. I am not sure how else to define it :P
[10:33] <mzanetti> yeah... what do you expect it to do?
[10:33] <mzanetti> create a new "Page" and search that?
[10:34] <t1mp> nik90, mzanetti the first parameter is the object id where you want to start searching for the child
[10:34] <t1mp> so Page is invalid there
[10:34] <mzanetti> t1mp: I know... that's what I'm trying to say
[10:34] <nik90> so can I do findChild("addAlarmPage") ?
[10:35] <t1mp> nik90: you are confused with select_single in autopilot
[10:35] <t1mp> nik90: findChild(parent_id, child_objectName)
[10:35] <nik90> t1mp: well the SDK docs for findChild() says the first argument is findChild( obj,  objectName)
[10:36] <nik90> t1mp: so I figured obj is ObjectType aka Page and the objectName is addAlarmPage
[10:36] <t1mp> nik90: obj is the object in which you search for the object with the specified name. It is not an object type
[10:36] <t1mp> nik90: for example, testCase.back_button = findChild(app_header, "backButton");
[10:37] <nik90> t1mp: ah ok
[10:39] <nik90> hmm, I am still stuck
[10:40] <nik90> so say I want to go from AlarmPage.qml -> EditAlarmPage.qml -> AlarmRepeat.qml. Do I have to declare all these pages in my qml test file?
[10:41] <nik90> atm I have only declared AlarmPage.qml in my file.
[10:41] <nik90> as a result I cannot access the object EditAlarmPage by its specified name
[10:55] <rpadovani> nik90, just fyi, alarms work very well. I set an alarm 2 weeks ago for a test, I forgot it, and now it sounds. I was very surprised to hear a sound from my nexus 4 device :D
[10:55] <nik90> rpadovani: :D
[11:04] <nik90> t1mp: In https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/view/head:/tests/unit/tst_components/tst_pagestack.qml, how would you access page2 if you didn't declare it in the test file but it was part of your project?
[11:04] <nik90> t1mp: that's what I am trying to do
[11:23] <nik90> mzanetti: So in https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/view/head:/tests/unit/tst_components/tst_pagestack.qml#L138, if page2 wasn't declared there, one cannot use page2 in the test?
[11:29] <mzanetti> nik90: no... that's not how it works :)
[11:29] <mzanetti> nik90: you know autopilot vis, do you?
[11:30] <nik90> mzanetti: yeah I do, can I use that?
[11:30] <mzanetti> nik90: so its basically the same with that...
[11:30] <nik90> mzanetti: hmm that would mean I need declare all the files alarm requires in my test..which seems like a waste
[11:30] <mzanetti> nik90: you have a tree of objects at any point when your application runs
[11:31] <mzanetti> nik90: and you can use findChild() to get any of those objects from the object tree
[11:31] <mzanetti> nik90: you shouldn't need to declare anything in your test except for the component you want to test...
[11:32] <nik90> mzanetti: true, but I want to test "creating an alarm" which in turn requires about 4-5 qml files
[11:32] <mzanetti> nik90: so?
[11:33] <nik90> mzanetti: well erm..I guess I can do that :D
[11:33] <mzanetti> sure
[11:33] <mzanetti> nik90:  I assume it works like this:
[11:33] <mzanetti> you have Page1.qml
[11:33] <mzanetti> and in there you have a button or whatever that does a pageStack.push(page2)
[11:33] <nik90> yup exactly that
[11:34] <mzanetti> so both pages are children of the pageStack, no?
[11:34] <mzanetti> so you can do findChild(pageStack, "page2")
[11:34] <mzanetti> and if the pageStack is a child of your mainView, you can also do findChild(mainView, "page2")
[11:35] <mzanetti> findChild searches the whole object tree
[11:35] <nik90> ah yes
[11:35] <nik90> that could work
[11:36] <nik90> mzanetti: ha that worked!
[11:58] <mihir> nik90: i have looked at clock app
[11:58] <mihir> nik90: i'll try that today and will push changes.
[11:59] <nik90> mihir: sure
[12:37] <dholbach> popey, mhall119, balloons, bzoltan: if we provide people at an event with virtualbox images of ubuntu+sdk installed... does it make sense to stay on 14.04 for this?
[12:38] <t1mp> dholbach: can you run the emulator or 14.10 chroot in a virtualbox?
[12:39] <dholbach> let me see
[12:46] <bzoltan> dholbach:  14.10 image at the moment would bring more... like running the scopes
[12:48] <dholbach> bzoltan, ok... so for Mac and Windows users at conferences we'd give them a vm image with the latest and greatest, you'd say?
[12:48] <dholbach> currently we have scopes docs, but no scopes training material yet
[12:49] <bzoltan> dholbach:  I would go with the Utopic, yes.
[12:49] <justCarakas> daker: did I do something wrong or has the HTML5 UI not changed since the app showdown ? I was looking to use the new header but it was nowhere to be found
[12:49] <dholbach> ok
[12:49] <daker> justCarakas: yes :/
[12:51] <justCarakas> daker: is there something I can do to get it in there ?
[12:52] <daker> justCarakas: most of the work i have done is still waiting review, since Alex is focusing is work on Oxide
[12:52] <daker> new header is here https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-html5-theme-devs/ubuntu-html5-theme/new-header
[12:53] <daker> still WIP
[12:53] <justCarakas> can I contribute ?
[12:53] <daker> sure
[12:54] <justCarakas> what should I do to get started ?
[12:54] <daker> juste grab the code and open the editor :)
[12:54] <justCarakas> oki :)
[12:55] <justCarakas> I'll look into it after work
[12:55] <daker> just ping if you want to ask/know something
[12:58] <justCarakas> oki
[13:12] <om26er> popey, Hi! are we testing an image ?
[13:12] <popey> om26er: I'm not, UK vacation
[13:12] <om26er> popey, ok, sure.
[13:28] <justCarakas> daker if I want to work on it, do I need to fork it ?
[13:33] <Drew____> Hi
[13:36] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: when you have a minute, this is the problem I was having last week with AP tests that I wanted to ask you about: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8140784/ -- all the tests fail with the same error
[13:46] <twstddev> Guys, do you need any help with development?
[13:57] <mhall119> dholbach: I would agree with 14.10 being used for VM images
[13:57] <dholbach> ok
[13:58] <dholbach> setting it up and testing it now
[14:00] <davidcalle> mhall119, dholbach, hi there :)
[14:00] <dholbach> hey hey davidcalle
[14:01] <dholbach> davidcalle, still sitting in the train? :)
[14:01] <davidcalle> dholbach, nope, home at last!
[14:01] <dholbach> excellent
[14:03] <mhall119> hello davidcalle
[14:06] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: the log says: "RuntimeError: Application Launch Failed: Application crashed." but the only crashfile in /var/crash is _usr_lib_python3_dist-packages_autopilot_run.py.32011.crash
[14:07] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, if you remove this crash file and run again, does it crash again?
[14:07] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: yes
[14:08] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, does the app run at all, outside of autopilot?
[14:08] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: yes, runs just fine
[14:09] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, you’re gonna have to inspect this crash file to know what’s happening then
[14:10] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: it just smells like something is bad with my setup, but i'll see if i can inspect that
[14:14] <balloons> nik90, ping
[14:17] <nik90> balloons: pong
[14:17] <balloons> nik90, so clock reboot becoming clock. We should be all set to do it now, eh?
[14:18] <nik90> balloons: we were supposed to do that last friday, unfortunately I decided against it since we had a fix in the SDK that I badly wanted in the promotion before making the replacement :D
[14:19] <nik90> balloons: the SDK bug fixes the alarm status toggling which I considered high priority
[14:19] <nik90> balloons: so I am back to waiting for the next promoted image.
[14:19] <nik90> balloons: the SDK fix is already in a silo and waiting to be pushed into an image
[14:21] <dholbach> davidcalle, does the login I sent over work now?
[14:21] <davidcalle> dholbach, yes thanks, I've just tried
[14:22] <nik90> balloons: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?distro=ubuntu&q=landing-009
[14:23] <dholbach> davidcalle, perfect - is there anything else you need? or are you generally set up?
[14:24] <balloons> nik90, ohh I thought that fix did land in the image
[14:24] <balloons> well then, we continue to ait
[14:24] <nik90> balloons: no previously we were waiting on another fix :)
[14:24] <nik90> balloons: this fix I am talking about landing just on friday in sdk-staging
[14:25] <nik90> s/landing/landed
[14:27] <davidcalle> dholbach, I should be fine : I'm setting up my dev env + phone and trying to work around https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1360582 . The first article is fully drafted, I just need to put the theory in practice...
[14:27] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1360582 in phablet-tools "Can't manually install clicks "Signature verification error" since #205" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:27] <dholbach> davidcalle, do you write up things in WP or anywhere else? I'm just wondering how best we could reviews, so you can get a bit of feedback from others
[14:27] <dholbach> bzoltan, did you find anyone to look into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1360582?
[14:28] <davidcalle> dholbach, I was planning to use gdrive, if that's ok
[14:28] <dholbach> davidcalle, that's brilliant
[14:28] <dholbach> davidcalle, it's a bit of a pain, if you copy it over into WP (because it has its own preferences of how to HTML), but it makes commenting and other stuff super easy
[14:29] <dholbach> so in general: sounds good to me :-)
[14:30] <bzoltan> dholbach:  only mvo can fix it and hopefully he will join us as the debconf lets him to do so
[14:30] <dholbach> ahhh ok
[14:30] <davidcalle> dholbach, yeah, that's what I was wondering... Well, we'll make it work :)
[14:30] <dholbach> bzoltan, you're right... he went to debconf - I totally forgot that
[14:30] <dholbach> davidcalle, of course :)
[14:31] <bzoltan> dholbach:  but the workaround is to use the RTM image instead of the Ubuntu
[14:32] <dholbach> davidcalle, let me know whenever you want to have a chat or anything else - maybe we can have a quick call to catch up tomorrow (if you're not in the train again :-))
[14:34] <davidcalle> dholbach, a call tomorrow sounds good. Please ignore the crying baby in the background. ;)
[14:35] <dholbach> davidcalle, and you ignore lazy, chatty coworking people around me :-P
[14:37] <davidcalle> dholbach, hehe
[14:37] <nerochiaro> bfiller: did you mention AP tests failing on gallery during the standup ?
[14:38] <nerochiaro> bfiller: nevermind, artmello updated me on these
[14:53] <ybon> thanks dholbach :)
[14:53] <dholbach> ybon, anytime
[15:07] <nerochiaro> zbenjamin: do you know why after flashing the latest image when i try to install a package on the device i get "Cannot install /home/phablet/com.ubuntu.gallery_2.9.1.latest_armhf.click: Signature verification error: debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed." (when clicking run from qtcreator but also if i try manually"
[15:08] <zbenjamin> nerochiaro: yes, package signing was enabled, but it should be disabled in developer mode. Seems to be a bug.
[15:09] <nerochiaro> zbenjamin: workarounds so i can keep on working ?
[15:11] <zbenjamin> nerochiaro: you can use the ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09-proposed channel to flash your device
[15:13] <nerochiaro> zbenjamin: doing that now, thanks
[15:16] <ybon> is the Dekko maintainer around?
[15:18] <nik90> DanChapman: ^^
[15:18] <ybon> thanks nik90 :)
[15:18] <nik90> :)
[15:19] <DanChapman> ybon, hey whats up?
[15:20] <ybon> DanChapman: well, I have an issue, and would like to see if you are interested in details, but first I want to send you a bunch of thanks for takling the missing email app! :)
[15:22] <DanChapman> ybon :-) yeah it's providing some challenges. What issues are you having?
[15:22] <ybon> DanChapman: it crashes when I try to save my account
[15:23] <DanChapman> meh still that :-(
[15:23] <ybon> :s
[15:23] <ybon> I can give you some info of what I've done previously
[15:23] <ybon> maybe it helps
[15:23] <DanChapman> ybon ok is that with the version just landed in the store
[15:23] <ybon> DanChapman: yes
[15:23] <ybon> but was the same before
[15:24] <DanChapman> ybon yeah info would be awesome. I just cannot reproduce it myself and the the log file would be handy.  :-D
[15:24] <ybon> DanChapman: I've first created an accoutn with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as username, which is wrong because my account is "ybon", so I renamed it, and then I've add two account instead of one
[15:25] <ybon> but even in the "ybon" one, I was able to rename the username for the stmp iirc, so I've deleted both
[15:25] <ybon> and since then I cannot create any new account
[15:25] <ybon> let me check the logs
[15:26] <ybon> humm, logviewer crashing too :p
[15:26] <ybon> let's ssh
[15:28] <ybon> strange, logviewer crashes only if I try to acces the Dekko logs
[15:28] <DanChapman> ybon, right first can you delete the conf file in ~/.config/com.ubuntu.developer.dpniel.dekko/ and try creating again. there were some quite big changes to the accounts saving process that I expected may break stuff for some people
[15:28] <ybon> DanChapman: ok, let me try that right away
[15:28] <ybon> DanChapman: FIY, this file is empty
[15:29] <ybon> it exists, but it has no content at all
[15:29] <ybon> 651908 0 -rw------- 1 phablet phablet 0 Aug 15 20:28 .config/com.ubuntu.developer.dpniel.dekko/com.ubuntu.developer.dpniel.dekko.conf
[15:31] <ybon> DanChapman: crashed again after deleting the config file :(
[15:32] <DanChapman> ybon :-( is that crash on start or crash when creating account?
[15:33] <ybon> when I click save on the last screen of the account creation process
[15:33] <ybon> note that now the config file isn't empty
[15:33] <ybon> ah
[15:33] <ybon> now it crashes also at start :s
[15:33] <DanChapman> ybon right that's progress and is there a log file?
[15:34] <ybon> I don't remember where I can find it (the log file)
[15:34] <ybon> it's not in /var/log it seems
[15:35] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: by reflashing the image these crashes I was having before disappeared. Now though I get this when running tests: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8141624/
[15:35] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: is there some configuration I'm missing ?
[15:35] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: (i'm following the instructions in the email you pointed out to me some time ago)
[15:36] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, I don’t know, maybe artmello can help?
[15:36] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: artmello: it was apparently hablet-config autopilot --dbus-probe enable that didn't work the first time I launched it
[15:37] <nerochiaro> no idea why as it didn't give any error message, but i ran it again and now tests work
[15:37] <ybon> found it
[15:37] <DanChapman> ybon under .cache/upstart i believe
[15:39] <ybon> yep
[15:39] <ybon> I'm reading it
[15:39] <ybon> do you want it?
[15:40] <DanChapman> ybon yes please :-)
[15:40] <ybon> DanChapman: https://gist.github.com/yohanboniface/90b763aa0c1e8913dd6b
[15:44] <DanChapman> ybon thanks. Just looking :-)
[15:46] <ybon> cool :)
[15:47] <nik90> mzanetti: I got a bare basic "create alarm" test finished :D. I still need to check if the alarm count increased by one or not...but it works for the most part.
[15:47] <mzanetti> nik90: hehe. congrats
[15:48] <nik90> mzanetti: I did not add any tests within the createAlarm test like checking if the alarm label was set correctly etc because i do that in the unit tests in those individual pages already
[15:48] <mzanetti> nik90: yes. perfect!
[15:49] <nik90> woohoo
[15:49] <nik90> mzanetti: quick question, everywhere i look in the sdk and unity8, you guys use signalSpy. I read the official docs on it but didn't really understand why it is required.
[15:50] <nik90> when I click on a button, I just do waitForRendering(page2) instead of the signal spy stuff
[15:53] <dholbach> mhall119, balloons: is https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1361276 what you had in mind0ß
[15:53] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1361276 in qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu "Build/run app locally, if host = target" [Undecided,New]
[15:53] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1361276 in qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu "Build/run app locally, if host = target" [Undecided,New]
[15:53] <dholbach> mind?
[15:56] <mzanetti> nik90: well, sometimes its not that easy :) and sometimes a SignalSpy is just convenient
[15:56] <mzanetti> nik90: for example to check signal arguments
[15:56] <mzanetti> or need to count how often a signal is triggered
[15:57] <nik90> ok
[15:58] <DanChapman> ybon ok so i have an idea of what's happening. Just to confirm do the contents of the config file look correct. And is there an [Accounts] section?
[15:58] <balloons> dholbach, mhall119 I was slightly confused by the conversation.. I can select my local system as the build target
[15:58] <dholbach> balloons, maybe it should automatically be default if that's what I'm building for?
[15:58] <dholbach> or add a "kit" for "local"?
[15:59] <ybon> DanChapman: yes and yes
[16:00] <ybon> [Accounts]
[16:00] <ybon> b2447d19-369a-4be7-b62e-5fcc66436677\AccountName=b2447d19-369a-4be7-b62e-5fcc66436677
[16:00] <ybon> this is the content of Accounts (the \AccountName seems a bit weird btw)
[16:00] <ybon> missing a \n maybeN
[16:00] <ybon> s/N/?/
[16:00] <balloons> dholbach, for me the default was/is 'Desktop', with system paths and no sysroot
[16:00] <balloons> aka, local..
[16:01] <dholbach> balloons, hunm
[16:01] <dholbach> hum
[16:01] <dholbach> then I misunderstood the discussion somewhat
[16:01] <dholbach> I thought the problem was that you were somehow brought to use a chroot in cases where just using "desktop" (or "local") would be easier
[16:02] <balloons> dholbach, lol.. I'm confused as well on the problem, and indeed there could be one, but I'm not sure what it is
[16:02] <dholbach> mhall119, ^ :)
[16:02] <dholbach> 1361276
[16:03] <dholbach> all rightie... I'm going to head out now - let me know on the bug report if I made sense or not ;-)
[16:06] <ahayzen> popey, are you able to set the status of powerd (ubuntu) back to confirmed from fix released for bug 1337239 ?
[16:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1337239 in powerd "Digitiser still works when phone locked" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337239
[16:06] <ubot5`> bug 1337239 in powerd "Digitiser still works when phone locked" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337239
[16:07] <ahayzen> yey 2 bots \o/
[16:08] <balloons> ahayzen, why the status change?
[16:08] <ahayzen> balloons, it was changed to fix released by accident
[16:08] <ahayzen> balloons, and it isn't fixed :P
[16:09] <ahayzen> balloons, just me, victor and jim can't change it back :/
[16:11] <balloons> ahayzen, I also cannot, I would ask in #ubuntu-bugs
[16:12] <ahayzen> balloons, thanks :)
[16:13] <ahayzen> balloons, when u have a spare moment would you mind scanning over https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/ap-helper-refactor-002/+merge/231815 ?
[16:16] <popey> ahayzen: done
[16:17] <ahayzen> popey, sweet thanks :)
[16:17] <popey> np
[16:17]  * popey goes to make food
[16:17] <swordfish> Hello app-develepers, I'm having some issues building the latest trunk of terminal-app. This is the the output I'm getting: http://pastebin.com/wk448Uji. I already setup an i386 emulator with a 14.10 chroot, and I'm able to deploy simple application on the emulator. Am I missing something or is this a problem in the CMakeFile.txt of the project?
[16:20] <DanChapman> ybon right I have a solution on the way are you going to be around in an hour or so? I've got to pop out.
[16:21] <twstddev> swordfish, Hello. Got to projects in creator and in "build" tab add -DCLICK_MODE=on to CMake arguments. As well in manifest.json change architecture to i386 in order to launch the app in emulator
[16:21] <ybon> DanChapman: yes, just ping me when needed :)
[16:26] <swordfish> twstddev, And that was it! :D ... Two hours trying everything and it was only the arch in the manifest. Thank you!
[16:26] <twstddev> no worries :)
[16:32] <mihir> nik90: ping
[16:33] <nik90> mihir: give me a few minutes, on a call
[16:33] <mihir> nik90: no issues, what are PPA for adding timezone modules?
[16:33] <mihir> balloons: hi
[16:34] <balloons> mihir, hello
[16:40] <gerlowskija> balloons: if you get a chance today, can you please take a look at the revisions I made on https://code.launchpad.net/~gerlowskija/ubuntu-calendar-app/fix-for-bug1350605/+merge/231252?
[16:41] <mihir> gerlowskija: it looks good to me
[16:42] <mihir> gerlowskija: it passes all the test cases as well
[16:42] <nik90> mihir: what timezone modules?
[16:42] <mihir> nik90: nothing resolved
[16:42] <mihir> nik90: it was my mistake
[16:42] <balloons> gerlowskija, certainly
[16:43] <nik90> mihir: oh ok :)
[16:45] <balloons> gerlowskija, can we just chat in IRC to finish?
[16:48]  * popey approves camera <IP_ADDRESS>0 into the store /cc bfiller
[16:48] <bfiller> thanks popey, gallery coming too
[16:49] <popey> will keep an eye out
[16:49] <popey> ooh its there
[16:50] <popey> bfiller: done.
[16:50] <popey> bug 1234
[16:50] <gerlowskija> balloons: sure, do you have time now, or want to chat later?
[16:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1234 in launchpad "Gina is an unmaintainable mess of command line options, environment variables and shell scripts" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234
[16:50] <ubot5`> bug 1234 in Launchpad itself "Gina is an unmaintainable mess of command line options, environment variables and shell scripts" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234
[16:52] <IdleOne> hmm
[16:52] <balloons> gerlowskija, now is fine. I guess I should just comment on the mp
[16:53] <popey> thanks IdleOne
[16:53] <balloons> I can't kick popey now :-(
[16:54] <popey> \o/
[16:54] <IdleOne> welcome
[16:54]  * popey goes to check on pie
[16:54] <popey> mmmm pie
[16:54] <popey> http://drool.popey.com/
[16:56] <IdleOne> bug 1234
[16:56] <ubot5`> bug 1234 in Launchpad itself "Gina is an unmaintainable mess of command line options, environment variables and shell scripts" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234
[18:20] <DanChapman> ybon hey, please could you try this click for me http://people.ubuntu.com/~dpniel/dekko/click/com.ubuntu.developer.dpniel.dekko_0.2.5_armhf.click. Hopefully should work or at least give a better idea of what's going on.
[18:22] <ybon> DanChapman: sure, doing that now
[18:23] <ybon> DanChapman: do you know from the top of you head the command line to install it? I usually install from QtCreator
[18:27] <DanChapman> ybon from commandline i usually use 'adb push' then 'phablet-shell' then i think it's pkcon install-local dekko.click. There's probably a better way :-) I usually use QtCreator aswell
[18:27] <balloons> gerlowskija, approved
[18:27] <ybon> ok thanks :)
[18:27] <balloons> left a couple comments
[18:28] <gerlowskija> balloons: Thanks balloons, I'll take a look in a little bit and respond if I can.
[19:03] <ybon> DanChapman: Installed   com.ubuntu.developer.dpniel.dekko-0.2.5.armhf (installed:click,removable=1,app_name=dekko)summary goes here
[19:03] <ybon> but still crash on start :/
[19:03] <ybon> DanChapman: should I modifiy/delete the config file?
[19:06] <DanChapman> ybon, no the config file should be fine now. The log should have a bit more info in it now though, could you paste it somewhere again for me?
[19:07] <ybon> DanChapman: humm, I don't see a 0.2.5 log file
[19:07] <ybon> not sure it's installed so
[19:07] <ybon> when I long click on Dekko icon, it still says 0.2.4
[19:08] <ybon> DanChapman: I need to step out for diner, bbiab
[19:08] <DanChapman> ybon I usually have to reboot to see a local install. Sure... enjoy your dinner :-)
[19:16] <ogra_> searching helps ...
[19:16] <ogra_> just search for something and the .desktop files get refreshed
[19:35] <balloons> nik90, did you get your translation stuff worked out?
[19:37] <nik90> balloons: ?
[19:38] <balloons> nik90, I remember last week the clock reboot needed something with translations?
[19:39] <nik90> balloons: dpm added the translation support in clock reboot.
[19:39] <nik90> balloons: the desktop file is not translated however
[19:39] <nik90> balloons: but I haven't any translations in the clock reboot though
[19:39] <nik90> not sure if it is a bug
[19:39] <balloons> nik90, yes, and that's a problem as it's not replaced the clock app yet
[19:40] <balloons> and I'm not sure it shows up as needing help
[19:40] <nik90> balloons: but even if it does, it will still stay in lp:ubuntu-clock-app/reboot?
[19:40] <nik90> or do we switch that to lp:ubuntu-clock-app ?
[19:40] <balloons> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+translations
[19:41] <balloons> hmm https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/reboot/+translations
[19:43] <balloons> nik90, so we can switch the translation focus for instance
[19:43] <balloons> and we also need to import on the reboot branch I think
[19:44] <nik90> balloons: I tried manually to add translations for my language for reboot, but couldn't find any way to do so
[19:44] <nik90> balloons: but yes we will come back to this when we do the switch
[19:44] <balloons> nik90, well I'm going to ask for a big translation push from everyone, and I want to make sure clock gets it
[19:44] <balloons> we really need to make the switch
[19:45] <nik90> yeah
[19:46] <nik90> when r u planning to make the call?
[19:47] <balloons> nik90, starting this week
[19:47] <balloons> today/tomorrow
[19:48] <balloons> I worry about the focus going to the current clock app (which is already happening)
[19:48] <nik90> hmm
[19:51] <ybon> DanChapman|afk: rebooted, but still the same, I will investigate
[19:52] <balloons> nik90, QA efforts are also focusing on the old app.. just feeling the crunch
[19:53] <balloons> I didn't mean this to turn into a guilt trip, heh, my apologies
[19:54] <nik90> sry
[19:57] <ybon> is pkcon install-local xxx.click the command to install a click package by hand on the device?
[19:57] <ybon> It's says installed, but then it still seem to be the old version
[20:04] <ybon> humm, even if I try to uninstall it from the UI, it's still there :s
[20:07] <ybon> I'm trying pkcon remove, but not luck to find the expected parameter, dekko doesn't work, full package name either
[20:11] <ybon> ok, reboot + pkcon remove seems to have done it
[20:16] <ybon> DanChapman|afk: https://gist.github.com/yohanboniface/8e8ab888fba106a90bf3 new log
[20:16] <ybon> (still crashing at start)
[20:44] <mihir_> nik90:
[20:45] <mihir_> nik90: i have pushed the new changes
[20:45] <mihir_> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calendar-dev/ubuntu-calendar-app/revamp-repetition-deisgn/+merge/231967
[20:45] <mihir_> nik90: it has small bugs , i will need to resolve that , i am doing that right nows
[20:45] <mihir_> now*
[20:46] <nik90> mihir_: ok. will check it now
[20:46] <mihir_> nik90: i am still left with the slider and all, as focusing on functionlity first
[20:48] <nik90> ok
[21:05] <mihir_> nik90: will you leave comments over there , i might probably go to bed
[21:06] <nik90> mihir_: ui wise it is mostly good
[21:06] <nik90> Just some small tweaks only
[21:06] <nik90> I will add comments tomorrow morning
[21:06] <mihir_> nik90: hmm , i am fixing functionally bugs i have noticed
[21:07] <mihir_> nik90: after this , we can merge our branch , and big task will be AP
[21:30] <nik90> Yes


[07:12] <alfonsox> So I am trying to build ubuntu touch halium port for my Samsung Galaxy S5 device on Lubuntu 20.04.
[07:12] <alfonsox> any one tried something like this before?
 Why don’t you ask it in an Apple community?
[11:59] <carmen> paz y bien familia, anoche baje la imagen y pase a unidad usb y tube que dejjar el ordenador y hoy quisiera seguir con la instalacion. ¿es posible, es correcto ?o hay que iniciar todo el proceso de nuevo formateando el USB? gracias
[12:20] <tomreyn> !es | carmen
[15:27] <lubuntu> wasap
 Any idea how can I show window that is outside screen?
 I have Android Studio running on laptop with main window visible, and emulator shown as subwindow
 Emulator rembered its location at the second monitor that is not attached
 Right clicking on task item and using maximize affects only main window
 Can I have temporarily oversized screen?
 If you right click do you see the option to move to next/previous monitor?
 No, right now only laptop monitor is active
 I managed to somehow solve this by clicking random things in Android Studio (for some values of "solved") but some more generic solution would be nice. If possible
 I think it is solved in newer lxqt-panel versions. I have the option to move it to a different monitor in 21.10


[00:36] <JoseeAntonioR> Hello! I'd like to know if lubot1 can join #ubuntu-pe, the Peruvian LoCo team channel, please.
[06:45] <AlanBell> lubotu1: join #ubuntu-pe
[06:46] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: looks like it doesn't obey you
[18:55] <m4v> JoseeAntonioR: there's the Spanish bot of #ubuntu-es available for y'know, Spanish factoids.
[21:25] <JoseeAntonioR> m4v: if that's possible, it would be great
[21:43] <m4v> JoseeAntonioR: the bot we use in #u-es is kubot, we should remove lubotu1 first.
[21:43] <m4v> er, i meant to say, "I can send it over but we should remove lubotu1 first"
[21:49]  * AlanBell has a chat with lubotu1
[21:49] <m4v> AlanBell: thanks


[06:55] <gaben> hi, a very quick question
[06:55] <gaben> my brightness controls stopped workin in 13.10
[06:56] <gaben> they worked fine ever since 12.04
[06:56] <gaben> which package do you think i should file a bug against?
[22:55] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh, around?
[23:25] <JMichaelX> is it likely that a bug like this one will get addressed in the near future?
[23:25] <JMichaelX> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/librcc/+bug/1183580
[23:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1183580 in librcc (Ubuntu) "librcc segfaults on latest saucy" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[23:26] <JMichaelX> (apologies, if this is an inappropriate question for this channel)
[23:31] <brainwash> JMichaelX: try to contact the package maintainer
[23:31] <JMichaelX> brainwash: ok, i may well do that. thanks.


[11:02] <Keybuk> \o/ half way through the merges
[11:07] <Hobbsee> yay!
[11:53] <seb128> fta: did you look at cairo 1.8.2 for jaunty and if it can be synced?
[13:11] <lool> seb128: I wanted to relay a couple of things to you on the intrepid i386 desktop cd
[13:12] <lool> From a French user
[13:12] <seb128> lool: hello
[13:12] <lool> (Hey!)
[13:12] <lool> Basically revolving around support for French
[13:12] <lool> a) langpack is obviously not installed   :-/  do we care more about features or languages?  I wonder
[13:13] <lool> b) menus are actually translated (upstream translations); not so much for the space savings, but for the effect it creates (top menus not translated but menus translated!), perhaps we should strip the translations in the .desktop files?
[13:14] <seb128> that's not an easy one, we already drop some feature on the default install
[13:14] <seb128> note that ubuntu-fr has a localized iso and they are getting cds pressed
[13:14] <lool> seb128: That's interesting
[13:15] <seb128> the menus items is a side-effects, I don't really care either way
[13:16] <lool> seb128: I wanted to relay the complaints I heard because I think it's not an obvious choice for Ubuntu at large; perhaps it's something which deserves discussion at UDS, I don't know
[13:16] <seb128> whoever is doing the comments should be joining IRC or the lists to discuss those ;-)
[13:16] <lool> I don't feel too good handing out CDs to French people anymore
[13:16] <seb128> well, that's things we know about
[13:16] <seb128> because the language packs are not on the CD?
[13:17] <lool> Yes
[13:17] <seb128> right, me neither, I would recommend using the french iso
[13:17] <lool> i think until hardy, french was included; I guess some other langs were dropped though
[13:17] <seb128> I think hardy still has the french language packs
[13:17] <seb128> right, every cycle adds new features or extra code so the CD margin are shrinking
[13:18] <seb128> and the easier way is to drop language packs on the way
[13:18] <seb128> the reality is that one CD is not an easy limit nowadays
[13:19] <seb128> we don't have good answer to that
[13:19] <pedro_> seb128: hey, may you look at bug 297223? it sounds to me like a libeel issue but not completely sure, having a second opinion would be good ;-)
[13:19] <seb128> we already stopped shipping changelog, symlink duplicates files in packages, etc
[13:20] <seb128> pedro_: not sure without looking at the code, just send it upstream on nautilus they will reassign if required, the people working on those components are the same anyway
[13:20] <lool> seb128: Is it sensible to offer our main installer in english is the question I'm worried about
[13:20] <lool> I never tried to install the langpacks from the live session though
[13:20] <seb128> lool: ubiquity translations are on the CD
[13:20] <seb128> lool: so the installer is localized
[13:21] <lool> Ok
[13:21] <seb128> lool: we don't have language packs for the livecd environment though
[13:21] <seb128> but that's not required to do the install
[13:21] <seb128> and language packs are downloaded transparently during the installation if you have internet access
[13:21] <pedro_> seb128: ok will do it, thanks!
[13:22] <seb128> pedro_: you're welcome
[13:22] <lool> I suspect installing them in the live session is too big
[13:22] <seb128> lool: probably not, but it would require downloading those and restarting the session, what is the goal exactly?
[13:22] <lool> Anyway, glad you know about it; I know it's not easy, and I'd welcome french back ;)
[13:22] <seb128> right, me too
[13:23] <lool> seb128: The goal would just be allowing people to try out Ubuntu
[13:23] <seb128> one way would be to drop openoffice ;-) but I don't think it's going to happen there
[13:23] <seb128> lool: well, I would recommend burning the localized iso, which is what people have to do for any other distro anyway
[13:24] <lool> Yup
[13:24] <seb128> lool: one other way we didn't really work on yet is to split the localized documentation
[13:24] <seb128> it's done for gimp for example
[13:24] <seb128> but doing it for evolution too would be a good win
[13:24] <seb128> it's on my list but there is just too much to do
[13:25] <lool> Heh
[13:25] <seb128> we could install the translations but not the localized documentation on the livecd
[13:25] <seb128> I think softwares translations are what matters for demos
[13:26] <lool> Yeah
[16:42] <tgm4883_laptop> Why is the totem mythtv plugin no longer available?
[16:43] <tgm4883_laptop> It's just gone, and from what I can tell from the changelog, for no other reason than we can use the UPNP server?
[17:19] <Ng> how come the logout/restart/shutdown options in FUSA do as asked immediately with no confirmation prompt?
[17:24] <mvo> Ng: there is a bug open about it
[17:24] <mvo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fast-user-switch-applet/+bug/283095
[17:25] <mvo> Ng: I personally find #282403 confusing
[17:30]  * Ng waits for firefox to load. I have far too many old tabs in my session ;)
[17:32] <Ng> mvo: hmm yeah, that should definitely display an option to authorise and shutdown anyway. Even if you pick a "actually no just log me out" type option I don't like being punted back to gdm because afair it gives no indication that people are logged in
[17:32] <Ng> we should definitely use a face browser login which shows who is logged in, and encourage the use of cheese/memaker to make user avatars, imho :)
[17:33] <dobey> nooooo :)
[17:34] <Ng> why not? :)
[17:38] <dobey> well, "who" integration with gdm would be nice, for multi-user i guess
[17:39] <dobey> i don't want to be forced to pick an avatar to use when i am the only user of the system though
[17:39] <Ng> a reasonable default image and non-annoying information about customising it? :)
[17:45] <dobey> no
[17:45] <dobey> no image is a reasonable default
[17:45] <Ng> also, I think this is in need of eplisis... http://mairukipa.tenshu.net/screenshots/2008-10-13-nm-harhar.png
[17:46] <dobey> unless it's the silouhette
[17:46] <Ng> dobey: it could be anything :)
[17:46] <dobey> not so much ellipses, as it needs brevity
[17:46] <Ng> it needs something :)
[17:46] <Ng> asac: see above URL :)
[17:47] <dobey> and why is it listed thrice?
[17:48] <Ng> good question
[17:48] <Ng> there's only one USB device
[17:48] <Ng> I see ttyACM0-2
[18:07] <asac> Ng: dobey: known MASTER bug
[18:07] <asac> its hal issue in the beginning
[18:07] <asac> and NM in the end
[18:12] <Ng> ok
[18:13] <asac> Ng: when you see this you can see with hal-find-by-capability --capability modem
[18:13] <asac> that the modem is exporteed N-times
[18:14] <asac> same for net.80211 and net.80203
[18:19] <Ng> can I provide any useful information to fix it? I probably won't have access to this laptop for much longer
[21:03] <MacSlow> gee ... the blender team is making quite some rounds in Hollywood ... didn't know they got screenings and talks about BigBuckBunny at Disney, Dreamworks and Rhythm&Hues during last Siggraph