[12:12] <gooseuk> Hey... I need help
[12:14] <gooseuk> Any one?
[12:15] <mhz> gooseuk: hi
[12:15] <mhz> what's wrong?
[12:15] <gooseuk> Hey!
[12:15] <gooseuk> I installed the OS onto a new hard drive on my system to test it, but I can't connect to the internet through the router now
[12:16] <gooseuk> What information do I need to correctly allow the computer to access the net?
[12:16] <mhz> hmm
[12:17] <mhz> let me get this right...
[12:18] <mhz> you have: Edubuntu on a HD, 1 eth0, 1 router, 1 ISP ?
[12:18] <gooseuk> yes
[12:18] <mhz> only 1 ethX?
[12:18] <gooseuk> I just entered <IP_ADDRESS> for the ip information on install, it was confusing
[12:18] <mhz> haaaa
[12:18] <mhz> no way
[12:19] <mhz> you did not read Install Notes  :D
[12:19] <gooseuk> nope, I guess I will just try it again in the morning lol
[12:19] <gooseuk> where are the install notes?
[12:19] <mhz> ok, let's fix it immediately, shall we?
[12:19] <gooseuk> sure
[12:20] <mhz> ok, do you have access to this IRC while we work on the Edubuntu box
[12:20] <mhz> ?
[12:20] <gooseuk> Erm, give me two minutes
[12:20] <mhz> okidoki, however, it is pretty simple
[12:21] <gooseuk> Ok
[12:22] <mhz> you tell mw when we start
[12:22] <mhz> please ping me
[12:22] <gooseuk> np thank you, it will be about a minute
[12:22] <mhz> np
[12:27] <gooseuk> mhz: Ready
[12:28] <mhz> okidoki
[12:28] <mhz> so, first thing, please run a Terminal
[12:28] <mhz> .oO(maybe there's a GUI way, but I have never used it)
[12:29] <gooseuk> How do I open a terminal
[12:29] <mhz> or... At the menu upper bar you should have an option like System or Preferences?
[12:30] <gooseuk> I do
[12:30] <mhz> ok
[12:30] <mhz> the one at the right most side should present you a Network something. Please read me those options
[12:31] <gooseuk> Erm I don't understand, what option do you want me to open in the preferences menu
[12:31] <mhz> do not open, just read me thos options that mention 'network' please
[12:31] <gooseuk> Erm I have found a network settings window
[12:32] <mhz> ok
[12:32] <mhz> that one!
[12:32] <gooseuk> Great :(
[12:32] <gooseuk> :)
[12:32] <mhz> that will ask you for password
[12:32] <mhz> enter the user password
[12:32] <gooseuk> ::nods:: done
[12:32] <mhz> ok, there it will show/mention to you eth0.
[12:32] <mhz> is eth0 Active?
[12:32] <gooseuk> its active
[12:33] <mhz> ok, what ip number?
[12:33] <gooseuk> <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:33] <mhz> hhm, of this is what we'll do. very simpply/
[12:33] <mhz> we need to have an ip # like: <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:34] <mhz> ip address: <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:34] <mhz> then
[12:34] <mhz> netmask: <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:34] <mhz> what other fields are there to be filled in or change on eth0?
[12:34] <gooseuk> gateway
[12:35] <mhz> gatway: <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:35] <gooseuk> ok now what
[12:35] <mhz> other fields?
[12:35] <gooseuk> no other fields
[12:36] <mhz> ok
[12:36] <gooseuk> just click ok?
[12:36] <mhz> besides eth0 tab, are there any other tabs?
[12:36] <gooseuk> General / DNS / Hosts
[12:37] <mhz> Can you read me the info on those fields, please?
[12:37] <gooseuk> General - Hostname: + Domain name:
[12:38] <gooseuk> DNS - DNS Servers: ADD
[12:38] <gooseuk> Hosts - ip address + aliases
[12:38] <alison_> can anyone help me out with the "next step" after freshly installing edubuntu? I think I need to configure my dhcpd.conf, but I'm not sure what should go in there.
[12:39] <mhz> alison_: yes we can. gimme a couple of minutes, please
[12:39] <alison_> sure. thanks.
[12:39] <mhz> alison_: however, id you provided a valid ip during install, then nothing else to edit :D just bootup your clients via PXE
[12:40] <mhz> gooseuk: then we need to set Hostname and DNS
[12:40] <mhz> hostname is the name you want the machine to be called
[12:40] <alison_> I tried, and got an error like: PXE-E11: ARP timeout
[12:40] <mhz> (i suggest you choose one word)
[12:41] <gooseuk> rgr done
[12:41] <mhz> alison_: then i need a little bit of extra info from the install you did
[12:41] <alison_> ok
[12:41] <mhz> gooseuk: now, DNS info. Do you have that? (we can skipt it anyways :D )
[12:42] <gooseuk> I don't have it, shoot
[12:42] <mhz> ok
[12:42] <mhz> then save those changes you just made
[12:42] <gooseuk> ok done
[12:42] <mhz> cool
[12:42] <gooseuk> internet still not working :/
[12:43] <mhz> how do you paln to boot the clients?
[12:43] <mhz> gooseuk: yes, of course.
[12:43] <mhz> gooseuk: oooh,, excuse me, Very important question:
[12:44] <mhz> usually, all clients get internet from the router?
[12:44] <gooseuk> yes
[12:44] <mhz> duh!
[12:44] <gooseuk> through a hub to the router
[12:45] <gooseuk> Id that a problem?
[12:45] <mhz> so my guess is that a) you manually assign IPs to each client or b) the router provides IP to each client
[12:45] <mhz> if it is a) then we are ok by doing this. if it's b) then the router will do it automatically
[12:45] <mhz> :D
[12:45] <gooseuk> I installed mandrake before and it could connect to the internet straight away... hmm do you have the link to the install notes?
[12:46] <mhz> oooh, then the router assigns the IP automatically!
[12:46] <mhz> hehehehe
[12:46] <gooseuk> so why doesn't this work then?
[12:46] <mhz> because we assigned IP manually and did not let the router work :D
[12:47] <gooseuk> I had tried it before we changed the settings and it still didn't work
[12:47] <mhz> gooseuk: solution is: go back to Network settings and in eth0 specify "automatic"
[12:48] <gooseuk> ok, do you have the link for install notes?
[12:49] <gooseuk> mhz: thanks for your help again, I will have a look at it again in the mornin, going to get some sleep lol
[12:50] <mhz> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes
[12:50] <mhz> gooseuk: if router assigns ip automatically, you need to stop manual ip
[12:50] <mhz> otherwise it will not work
[12:51] <gooseuk> how can I stop it
[12:51] <mhz> assign "automatic" in Network Settings for eth0 and save that config.
[12:52] <gooseuk> whats the command line for it?
[12:53] <mhz> sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop
[12:53] <mhz> then...
[12:53] <mhz> sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[12:54] <mhz> change 'static' for 'dhcp' in eth0 line
[12:54] <mhz> then...
[12:54] <mhz> sudo /etc/init.d/networking start
[12:54] <mhz> and finally...
[12:54] <mhz> sudo nano /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[12:55] <mhz> and make sure that matches the IP settings provded by router
[12:55] <mhz> :)
[12:55] <mhz> and finally...
[12:55] <mhz> sudo /etc/init.d/dhcpd restart
[12:55] <mhz> adn you're ready
[12:55] <gooseuk> how do i find out if it matches the ip normally given out
[12:55] <mhz> in a command line environment or terminal
[12:55] <mhz> write
[12:55] <mhz> ifconfig
[12:56] <mhz> that will show you the current settings assigned to eth0 and lo
[12:57] <gooseuk> ok
[12:58] <gooseuk> thanks again mhz, will try it in the morning
[12:58] <gooseuk> night
[12:58] <mhz> nite
[12:58] <mhz> alison_: shoot
[12:59] <alison_> ok, well I followed that link to the install notes, and I configured my dhcpd.conf. I'm currently fiddling with my client and about to try booting again
[12:59] <mhz> did you edit /ltsp/dhcpd.conf?
[12:59] <mhz> or /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf?
[01:02] <alison_> I edited /etc/ltsp/dhcps.conf
[01:02] <mhz> cool
[01:02] <alison_> *dhcpd
[01:02] <alison_> still the same error
[01:02] <alison_> PXE-E11: ARP timeout
[01:02] <mhz> does it correspond to same current IP in ifconfig?
[01:02] <mhz> I had same exact error for 19 hours until i saw the problem :D
[01:04] <mhz> alison_: if IP settings are ok on /network/interfaces and /ltsp/dhcpd.conf then another question:
[01:04] <alison_> well, I'm running two ethernet interfaces. eth0 is connected to the switch which goes to the clients. it's setup with a static IP. that's the IP I used in the dhcpd.conf
[01:04] <mhz> what is there between the server and client. crossover cable?
[01:04] <mhz> oh, a swithc
[01:05] <mhz> switch
[01:05] <alison_> yup
[01:05] <mhz> so..
[01:05] <mhz> server -> eth0 static -> switch -> clients ?
[01:05] <alison_> yes, that's right.
[01:06] <mhz> can we double check /dhcpd.conf please?
[01:06] <mhz> could you paste it here?
[01:06] <alison_> ok
[01:06] <mhz> cool
[01:07] <alison_> oops, I'm on a different computer, so this will be a little tricky
[01:07] <mhz> hehehe
[01:07] <mhz> sorry
[01:09] <alison_> authoritative;
[01:09] <alison_> subnet <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> {
[01:09] <alison_> 	range <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>;
[01:09] <alison_> 	option domain-name "example.com";
[01:09] <alison_> 	option domain-name-server <IP_ADDRESS>;
[01:09] <alison_> 	option broadcast-address <IP_ADDRESS>;
[01:09] <alison_> 	option routers <IP_ADDRESS>;
[01:09] <alison_> 	option subnet-mask <IP_ADDRESS>;
[01:09] <alison_>
[01:09] <alison_> 	filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";
[01:09] <alison_> 	option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"
[01:09] <alison_> }
[01:09] <mhz> ok
[01:10] <alison_> I set my static IP on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:10] <mhz> could you please comment the line: option domain-name-server <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:10] <alison_> ok
[01:10] <mhz> and change option routers to <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:11] <mhz> oh, no wait
[01:11] <mhz> you don't have a router right? you have a switch?
[01:12] <mhz> if yu have a switch, then do hange to <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:13] <mhz> so that it matches your static IP
[01:13] <alison_> I'm connected to a router on eth1, using DHCP, but the switch is going to the clients
[01:13] <mhz> yes, then it should work. BUT could you please just desconnect the eth1 for this tests
[01:13] <mhz> ?
[01:14] <alison_> sure
[01:14] <mhz> usually, 2 dhcps running is conflictive
[01:14] <mhz> and I wanna make sure we are attacking step by step
[01:14] <alison_> so I should set the option routers to my eth0 static IP
[01:14] <mhz> yes
[01:14] <alison_> ok
[01:15] <mhz> now, /etc/init.d/dhcpd restart  , of course :)
[01:15] <mhz> are you sure your static ip is currently <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[01:16] <mhz> also, please make sure the /etc/inet.d is pointing to right /dir for /ltsp
[01:17] <alison_> ifconfig shows eth0 having "inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>
[01:17] <mhz> ok
[01:17] <mhz> and inetd.conf?
[01:18] <mhz> tftp           dgram   udp     wait    root  /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/
[01:18] <mhz> tftpboot  ?
[01:18] <alison_> which? I'm confused.
[01:19] <mhz> /etc/inetd.conf
[01:19] <alison_> ok
[01:20] <alison_> hehe... well, I've been using ubuntu on my main box since May... just a dummy at ltsp stuff
[01:20] <alison_> lol
[01:20] <mhz> no problem, i was a dummy until last friday
[01:20] <mhz> lol
[01:21] <pitux> hello
[01:21] <mhz> hello
[01:21] <alison_> ok, inetd.conf has:
[01:21] <alison_> tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd - s /var/lib/tftpboot
[01:22] <alison_> looks like what you posted
[01:23] <mhz> yesp
[01:23] <mhz> so let's give this baby a try
[01:23] <alison_> ok
[01:23] <mhz> before.. you do have /opt/....
[01:25] <mhz> alison_: you did restarted dhcp, right?
[01:25] <alison_> I restarted it, yes
[01:26] <mhz> okidoki
[01:26] <mhz> did the client boot?
[01:26] <alison_> this time it appeared to boot, and it's now stopped after a whole bunch of text with "Done." and then a little blinking _
[01:26] <mhz> cool!!!
[01:26] <mhz> i had that too
[01:26] <mhz> simple to solve
[01:26] <alison_> oh, now it's trying to boot some more...
[01:27] <mhz> re try to boot the client
[01:27] <alison_> it's trying to sync the clock with ntp, which i'm supposing won't work
[01:27] <mhz> it happens like twice
[01:27] <mhz> oh, it is working then???????????????
[01:27] <mhz> educool!!
[01:27] <alison_> I got a login screen~
[01:27] <mhz> hehehe
[01:27] <mhz> do you feel good now?
[01:28] <alison_> absolutely!! thank you so much.
[01:28] <mhz> no problem
[01:29] <mhz> now, we gotta make your internet work plugin eth1
[01:29] <alison_> actually, I gotta get logged in... it keeps booting me back to the login screen... maybe because I only have one account, and I'm logged in on that on the server?
[01:29] <mhz> no
[01:30] <mhz> that happens -supposedly- because you need to update your ssh keys
[01:30] <mhz> ogra provided me with a command lin to do so.. let me get in in my logs
[01:30] <alison_> ok
[01:35] <alison_> a login screen never looked so beautiful
[01:35] <mhz> hehehe
[01:36] <mhz> alison_: ltsp-update-sshkeys
[01:37] <alison_> ok, done
[01:38] <mhz> and can you login now?
[01:39] <alison_> no... do I need to restart anything?
[01:39] <mhz> hmmm, don't know I have not yet tried that solution
[01:39] <mhz> :D
[01:40] <mhz> i was wiking some docs when I started the help to goosuek
[01:40] <alison_> lol... ok... lemme try again
[01:40] <mhz> and then you :)
[01:41] <alison_> oh, so is that why things were appearing there that I never saw before? lol
[01:42] <mhz> lol
[01:42] <mhz> alison_: please do let me know if that ssh updating worked
[01:44] <mhz> alison_: obviously, IF does work :D
[01:46] <alison_> nope, still can't log in. it goes to a black screen, then comes back to the login
[01:46] <mhz> hmmmmm
[01:46] <mhz> and you rebooted?
[01:46] <alison_> rebooted the client
[01:47] <alison_> should I reboot the server?
[01:47] <mhz> ah, but the server?
[01:47] <mhz> what's there to lose now?
[01:47] <mhz> :D
[01:47] <alison_> heh heh... I'm just so used to almost never having to reboot in this world of linux
[01:48] <mhz> me too, but after so many hours, my head can't hink of a logical reason while ogra is not here
[01:48] <mhz> ogra needed a hughe rest so I am not complaining
[01:48] <alison_> :)
[01:55] <alison_> *sigh* still a no-go.
[01:55] <mhz> hmmm
[01:55] <alison_> is it normal to see several things fail and lots of complaining about fstab during the client bootup?
[01:56] <mhz> meybe
[02:03] <alison_> is xdmcp necessary? I keep reading about it on the LTSP docs, but it doesn't appear to be installed on my server
[02:03] <mhz> alison_: so far, i am getting blocked
[02:03] <mhz> sorry
[02:03] <mhz> i wish i could understand tonite
[02:04] <alison_> no problem
[02:09] <alison_> alright, I have to go. I will probably be back asking more questions later or tomorrow. :)
[02:10] <alison_> Thanks again for your help. you at least got me off to a good start.
[02:10] <mhz> educool!
[02:11] <alison_> mhz: if you happen to get any info on this, maybe post it on the wiki? :)
[02:11] <mhz> of course
[02:11] <alison_> thanks
[02:11] <alison_> have a good night
[02:11] <mhz> but you please specifyu the problem on
[02:11] <mhz> UserComments
[02:11] <alison_> oh, ok, I'll do that
[02:45] <mwright1night> Hi all
[02:45] <mwright1night> I'm after a package called Teachers pet
[02:45] <mwright1night> how do I find it
[02:45] <mwright1night> i've installed edubuntu
[02:46] <mwright1night> 5.10 breezy release
[02:47] <Nancy> http://www.teachers-pet.org/index.html
[02:47] <Nancy> ?
[02:48] <mwright1night> not very funny
[02:48] <mwright1night> teachers pet is the replacement of teachers tool
[02:48] <mwright1night> and i've been looking all over
[02:50] <Nancy> Thats what this site says it is.
[02:50] <Nancy> But I guess you want something else.
[02:51] <Nancy> http://www.kacper.com/teacherspet/teacherspet.html
[02:51] <Nancy> This one?
[02:51] <mwright1night> it's the replacement for k12ltsp's teacher tool
[02:51] <mwright1night> which runs vnc in various ways too and from terminal server clients
[02:52] <mwright1night> it's supposed to be core edubuntu software
[02:56] <Nancy> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet?highlight=%28Teacher%29
[02:56] <Nancy> This one.
[02:56] <Nancy> OK.
[02:58] <Nancy> You tried TeachersTool?
[03:04] <Nancy> Looks like its a to-do.  Not implemented yet.
[04:38] <pedersoj> test
[04:40] <pedersoj> Test
[04:50] <watanabe88> hello
[04:50] <watanabe88> anyone here
[06:57] <swamych> can i expect free edubuntu cds
[09:59] <ajmitch_> \win 41
[09:59] <ajmitch_> hm
[01:11] <Jeromee> good mornin ogra
[01:11] <ogra> moin
[01:11] <Jeromee> I think I slept to much
[01:11] <Jeromee> 14hrs
[01:11] <Jeromee> 0_o
[01:12] <ogra> i'm still taking up on my lack of sleep :)
[01:12] <Jeromee> hehe
[01:13] <Jeromee> I was up for ~60hrs before I crashed though
[01:13] <Jeromee> everytime I'd go and try to sleep, I'd just wake up again
[01:13] <Jeromee> I hate that shit.
[01:13] <ogra> similar here... and we had release party yesterday night, so not much sleep either
[01:14] <Jeromee> ah yeah, I have a party today at 1
[01:14] <Jeromee> I think
[02:39] <gooseuk> Hello any one around?
[02:57] <gooseuk> I need some help with trying to access my NTFS drives on the computer
[02:58] <juliux> re
[02:59] <gooseuk> RE?
[03:05] <Jeromee> damn
[03:05] <Jeromee> my 200GB hd is full.
[03:05] <Jeromee> =O
[03:07] <gooseuk> I had to get another 80 GB hard drive for this OS lol
[03:07] <JohnnyCastaway> Can anyone help with install probs?
[03:09] <gooseuk> I wish I could help you
[03:09] <JohnnyCastaway> I have d/led 3 times burned 6 cd's all md5sums checkout used 3 different burners 3 different pc's 2 hd's and cant get past 6% of base install
[03:09] <gooseuk> What speed are you burning the CDs at?
[03:10] <JohnnyCastaway> 48 40 32 24 2 1 take your pick...went slower rach time it failed
[03:10] <JohnnyCastaway> each
[03:11] <gooseuk> I burnt mine at x8, it burnt well
[03:11] <gooseuk> What version of the program did you download?
[03:11] <JohnnyCastaway> Ubuntu works well I just cannot get edubuntu to work

[03:12] <gooseuk> Weird...
[03:12] <gooseuk> It could be a hardware issue I suppose
[03:12] <JohnnyCastaway> I know...AND REALLY PISSING ME OFF
[03:13] <JohnnyCastaway> Ubuntu burned fine its edubuntu
[03:13] <JohnnyCastaway> That wont
[03:13] <gooseuk> I can't understand why it wouldn't work
[03:14] <JohnnyCastaway> I even used nero then dvd decrypter to burn
[03:14] <JohnnyCastaway> Im gonna give it 1 last shot on all new equipment
[03:24] <Yagisan> gooseuk: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mount/windows
[03:24] <Yagisan> gooseuk: replace /dev/hda with your windows partition
[03:24] <Yagisan> gooseuk: replace /mount/windows with where you want to access it
[03:24] <JohnnyCastaway> I wanna just del my windows partition
[03:24] <gooseuk> Yagisan: How on earth do I find the floppy drive?
[03:25] <Yagisan> gooseuk: it's dev/fd0 - but I don't have one - so I forgot where it is mounted
[03:26] <gooseuk> I have a problem then
[03:27] <Yagisan> JohnnyCastaway; when you install - you have an option to delete the partions
[03:27] <Yagisan> gooseuk: as far as I can tell - you can't access the floppys on the clients yet
[03:28] <JohnnyCastaway> I let it set its own up...
[03:30] <gooseuk> Yagisan: erm... is there a way around that?
[03:30] <JohnnyCastaway> Does this have a good assortment of proggies for kids to learn on?
[03:30] <Yagisan> gooseuk: as yet - no, but check with ogra
[03:31] <Yagisan> JohnnyCastaway: yes - can you use fdisk ?
[03:33] <JohnnyCastaway> Its been a while since I have
[03:34] <Yagisan> JohnnyCastaway: there is an application called cfdisk, you can use that to delete a windows partition
[03:35] <gooseuk> Error: given UDI is not a mountable volume
[03:36] <Yagisan> gooseuk: you will need to adjust my example for your specific setup
[03:36] <gooseuk> What does that mean? Thats the error I get when I double click on the floppy icon
[03:36] <Yagisan> gooseuk: I think it means can't find floppy drive
[03:37] <gooseuk> damm, thats going to be a problem
[03:37] <Yagisan> gooseuk: server ?
[03:37] <gooseuk> yeah this is the server version i am running
[03:37] <Yagisan> gooseuk: or clients need it ?
[03:37] <gooseuk> All of the systems need floppy access
[03:38] <JohnnyCastaway> They do?
[03:38] <Yagisan> gooseuk: best to speak to ogra about this
[03:38] <Yagisan> JohnnyCastaway: just for what gooseuk wants to do
[03:38] <JohnnyCastaway> I havent built a pc with a floppy in years
[03:38] <JohnnyCastaway> Oh ok
[03:39] <JohnnyCastaway> Had me worried there
[03:39] <Yagisan> guys - what arches are you using ? ppc ? amd64 ? i386 ?
[03:40] <JohnnyCastaway> i386
[03:40] <gooseuk> Roger Yagisan, also I have another problem, can I have different menu options for different users
[03:40] <gooseuk> i386
[03:40] <JohnnyCastaway> If I can get it going
[03:41] <Yagisan> gooseuk: it's a yes but answer too that
[03:42] <gooseuk> Do you know how to do it?
[03:42] <Yagisan> gooseuk: are you adding or removing - I know how to add
[03:43] <gooseuk> Well for the student accounts I want menus removed
[03:45] <Yagisan> gooseuk: what menus ?
[03:47] <gooseuk> Admin section in the System menu
[03:48] <Yagisan> gooseuk: I don't see an option to remove it - unless you are a member of the group admin you can't run it anyway
[03:49] <gooseuk> Ok great :)
[03:49] <Yagisan> gooseuk: only first user created when installing the server has admin rights
[03:50] <gooseuk> This floppy disk issue is going to be a problem :/
[03:51] <Yagisan> gooseuk: I'm sure it can be fixed - I think ogra is celebrating the breezy release - he's normally here
[03:51] <gooseuk> The kids use floppy disks to bring their homework back home and then put them back on the system
[03:52] <JohnnyCastaway> Get thumb drives
[03:52] <gooseuk> I hope so... Hopefully you guys can come up with a fix before friday...
[03:52] <gooseuk> You mean USB drives?
[03:52] <JohnnyCastaway> Bigger and hot plug supports them
[03:52] <JohnnyCastaway> yes
[03:52] <gooseuk> School can't afford them
[03:52] <JohnnyCastaway> Mommy and daddy can...
[03:53] <gooseuk> In this case only some could
[03:53] <JohnnyCastaway> Use a group buy through the school
[03:53] <JohnnyCastaway> Get a discount
[03:53] <Yagisan> JohnnyCastaway: not all boxes have usb
[03:54] <JohnnyCastaway> So much for that idea then
[03:55] <gooseuk> ::nods:: But again cost is an issue, its an underfunded school, in a underpriviledged area
[03:56] <JohnnyCastaway> Well than not all will have pc access at home either
[03:57] <gooseuk> ::nods:: but some do, thats the issue, it still has to have that basic feature, not to mention teachers
[03:58] <gooseuk> They need that type of access
[04:00] <JohnnyCastaway> Be back shortly time to pick kids up
[04:01] <gooseuk> Yagisan: How do I install a internet filter to this client?
[04:02] <Yagisan> gooseuk: on the system that you installed squid on - install dansguardian
[04:02] <gooseuk> how do I install dansguardian?
[04:03] <Yagisan> gooseuk: synaptic - search dansguardian
[04:06] <gooseuk> Ok I think its installed
[04:07] <Yagisan> gooseuk: there is documentation is /usr/share/doc/dansguardian
[04:07] <Yagisan> gooseuk: and here http://dansguardian.org/
[04:07] <gooseuk> how do I get there?
[04:09] <gooseuk> I can't find any thing about dansguardian in any menu
[04:09] <Yagisan> gooseuk: applications -> Assecories -> File Browser and navigate to /usr/share/doc/dansguardian
[04:10] <Yagisan> gooseuk: dansguardian is an add on for squid
[04:10] <Yagisan> gooseuk: it won't have a menu of it's own
[04:11] <gooseuk> Ok I found the documents for dansguardian?
[04:12] <Yagisan> gooseuk: hopefully they should be clear about how to configure it
[04:12] <gooseuk> I can't understand how I can start it etc..
[04:12] <Yagisan> gooseuk: squid is installed right ?
[04:13] <gooseuk> no...
[04:13] <Yagisan> gooseuk: dansguardian is a webfilter that hooks into squid (the www-proxy)
[04:14] <gooseuk> Installing as we speak
[04:14] <Yagisan> gooseuk: it will automatically filter all www traffic that goes through squid - no client configuration required
[04:15] <gooseuk> ok I installed squid etc
[04:15] <gooseuk> I even installed a web admin feature
[04:16] <Yagisan> gooseuk: have a look at the website I listed - it has some useful information on the filter
[04:16] <Yagisan> gooseuk: cool - you'll hate me now - but I haven't configured squid in a long time so I have to RTFM to tell you what to do now
[04:17] <Yagisan> gooseuk: I just know what you need to use
[04:19] <gooseuk> I have a problem I can't access this web admin thing, it is asking for a username and password, I tryied my root username and password and nothing
[04:21] <gooseuk> Shit, its blocked me now! lol
[04:23] <Yagisan> gooseuk: sorry, I'm trying to get up to speed with it (last time I used it - it didn't even have web admin)
[04:24] <gooseuk> Lad, don't worry, you are helping me out alot
[04:27] <Yagisan> gooseuk: there is a user guide here (450k) http://squid-docs.sourceforge.net/latest/book-full.html
[04:30] <gooseuk> hmm I don't know where to start, I am not sure how to even start it
[04:31] <Yagisan> gooseuk: squid will automatically start itself on system boot
[04:31] <gooseuk> So I have to reboot?
[04:31] <Yagisan> squid should start dansguardian once it has been configured to use it
[04:31] <Yagisan> gooseuk: no, a sudo/etic/ini.d/squid restart should work
[04:33] <gooseuk> it says no such file or directory
[04:35] <Yagisan> gooseuk: typo. sudo/etc/init.d/squid restart
[04:36] <gooseuk> Still no such file or directory
[04:37] <Yagisan> gooseuk: should not be a space between sudo and /
[04:38] <Yagisan> gooseuk: be back soon - need to put little girl to bed
[04:38] <gooseuk> no problem, but it still doesn't work
[06:05] <JohnnyCastaway> Does edubuntu fit on a cd-rw?
[06:07] <jsgotangco> yes
[06:07] <jsgotangco> 700MB
[06:10] <gooseuk> I have a problem, I can't edit a tinyproxy.conf file... do you know of a reason why now?
[06:10] <gooseuk> not*
[06:11] <gooseuk> How do I change permissions
[06:25] <JohnnyCastaway> Ok new disc and 4x rw
[06:26] <jsgotangco> awesome that'll work
[06:28] <JohnnyCastaway> Hasnt yet this is number 8
[06:29] <JohnnyCastaway> 4 d/l all mathing md5sums
[06:29] <JohnnyCastaway> And thin is a brand new machine
[06:29] <JohnnyCastaway> matching
[06:29] <JohnnyCastaway> this
[07:18] <JohnnyCastaway> Ok 8 tries and it failed again
[07:19] <JohnnyCastaway> How do I check /target/var/log/bootstarp.log
[07:20] <JohnnyCastaway> It contiuously fails install base system
[07:20] <gooseuk> i would say hardware then
[07:20] <JohnnyCastaway> 3 different machines?
[07:24] <JohnnyCastaway> How do I check /target/var/log/bootstarp.log
[07:25] <JohnnyCastaway> How do I check /target/var/log/bootstrap.log
[07:27] <JohnnyCastaway> Is this picky about master/slave drive issues?\
[08:16] <Robla64> anyone home?
[08:17] <JohnnyCastaway> Should I use lvm when partitioning the hard drive?
[08:24] <JohnnyCastaway> Libcurses.so.n.5 cannot open shared object file this is the error I get in terminal f3 any help?
[08:24] <JohnnyCastaway> No n
[08:47] <JohnnyCastaway> Reburn no.9
[09:11] <JohnnyCastaway> #9 may have been the lucky number today made it past 6%
[09:24] <juliux> somebody nows which cheap thinclients works with edubuntu?
[09:35] <Jeromee> bigger, the better
[09:35] <Jeromee> :-D
[09:36] <juliux> hm i search a diskless version
[09:45] <JohnnyCastaway> 9 disks later we made it to phase 2 and booted from the hd
[10:21] <JohnnyCastaway> Is 6gb enough for edubuntu?
[10:23] <juliux> JohnnyCastaway, yes
[10:24] <JohnnyCastaway> More and more probs
[10:24] <juliux> but it is not very much space for user files
[10:24] <JohnnyCastaway> Now its missing gcompris
[10:25] <juliux> hm
[10:25] <juliux> i have no install problems
[10:26] <juliux> do you use the final?
[10:28] <juliux> cu all
[10:32] <JohnnyCastaway> I used the 1 on the site..i think its final


[04:09] <coolcoder613> Hello!
[04:09]  * coolcoder613 is installing kubuntu
[04:09] <coolcoder613> Sorry Xubuntu
[04:09]  * coolcoder613 has kubuntu before
[04:10] <coolcoder613> *had
[12:05] <sorinello> Hello. Is there any remapping tool included in Xubuntu ? I want to remap some of my mouse buttons to other mouse buttons. Any idea ?
[12:30] <torv> sorinello: Not Xubuntu specific but maybe AutoKey (`autokey-gtk`): https://autokey.github.io/api/mouse.html
[12:32] <sorinello> torv, thanks
[12:40] <torv> sorinello: yw


[02:32] <rick_h_> woot, that was a nice ride out and about.
[02:32] <rick_h_> snap-l: you get back from the meeting ok?
[03:25] <snap-l> rick_h_: Didn't go
[11:30] <rick_h_> snap-l: bummer
[11:43] <snap-l> Yeah, no worries.
[12:29] <rick_h_> phew, driveway clean. This is some heavy stuff. Will make a good snowman
[12:44] <snap-l> Yeah, it's the perfect sibling snowball weather
[12:47] <rick_h_> hah, time to teach the boy some life lessons :P
[12:47] <brousch> Ut oh
[12:50] <brousch> Many people were stuck on my street. Those with balding tires or RWD vehicles
[12:51] <brousch> $73 for a shovel?
[12:51] <rick_h_> brousch: not a shovel, a snow pusher!
[12:51] <rick_h_> <3 this thing
[12:52] <rick_h_> much faster doing the driveway this year
[12:52] <brousch> I don't need to push. I need to lift and throw!
[12:52] <rick_h_> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000A28780/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1 is my lift/thrower
[12:52] <rick_h_> push to the sides, then trim work with that
[12:52] <rick_h_> much nicer
[12:52] <snap-l> Well, the cat has given me the best reason for keeping inbox zero
[12:53] <brousch> It's so flat
[12:53] <snap-l> she just stole a receipt and ran off
[12:53] <rick_h_> snap-l: she delete something for you?
[12:53] <rick_h_> lol
[12:54] <brousch> I'm thinking about a big old scoop, but it seems like it'd be hard to throw http://www.amazon.com/Suncast-SF1850-22-Inch-Scoop-Shovel/dp/B000A1CENK/
[12:55] <brousch> Have to shove the handle under my stomach and lift with both arms equally
[12:55] <rick_h_> yea, use that to clear it to the sides and then use a smaller shovel to actually edge
[12:56] <brousch> You and your darn right tool for the job :P
[12:56] <rick_h_> hah
[12:56] <brousch> What I really need to do is fix my snowblower
[12:57] <brousch> Although it would have clogged instantly today
[12:57] <rick_h_> heh, yea I don't have one of those so I spend $$ on the right shovels to use
[12:57] <brousch> My snow blower is literally older than I am
[12:57] <brousch> 1973
[12:58] <snap-l> brousch: Might be time to either let it go, or get it fixed.
[12:59] <snap-l> Letting go might be an option
[12:59] <brousch> It's just a gas tank leak
[12:59] <brousch> It broke last year and with almost no snow I just let it sit
[12:59] <rick_h_> yea, last year I think I shoveled once or something
[13:32] <brousch> Django 1.5 is out! Are you guys pumped?!
[13:32] <snap-l> Like a 1990s shoe
[13:32] <brousch> I had a pair of those
[13:33] <snap-l> I'm sure you did
[13:33] <rick_h_> heh, it's out but py3 "is still considered beta"
[13:34] <brousch> Even better, experimental!
[13:34] <rick_h_> oh right
[13:34] <rick_h_> sorry, read it last night
[13:34] <snap-l> That's the kind of thinking that inspires confidence
[13:58] <jrwren> i'm pumped about django 1.6
[13:58] <jrwren> err... 1.5
[13:58] <jrwren> not much changed.
[13:58] <jrwren> streaming response looks good
[13:58] <jrwren> now just needs streaming request
[14:01] <brousch> rick_h_: I ran into a problem on your pastebin site https://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/snapshot19.png
[14:02] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, too many links causes it to captcha and I'm missing some imagemagic lib or something
[14:02] <brousch> OK
[14:02] <rick_h_> just not bothered to get it working, end up using ubuntu pastebin or something
[14:10] <brousch> No problem
[15:31] <brousch> Geeker Django deprecated one of my favorite commands: reset <app>
[15:39] <brousch> It would clear all data out of the database for that app. Now I have to clear the whole damn database or get the sql to flush one app and pipe it to a command line client for the DB (like psql)
[15:39] <rick_h_> what?! learn to use your db tools?! never!
[15:40] <rick_h_> :P
[15:40] <brousch> That's not the point
[15:42] <brousch> The command used the django settings, so it knew the database info (location, type, login, etc) and it knew which tables were in which app. It was simple.  The commands they recommend now clear the whole DB
[16:07] <snap-l> Oh, that's even better.
[16:07] <brousch> Much less convenient
[16:07] <snap-l> But tidier
[16:08] <snap-l> Think of it like a roomba for your database, but instead of a roomba, it's a quantum black hole.
[16:08] <brousch> They say it didn't work well with DBs that have referential integrity. I can see that, but I only ever used it on sqlite in development
[16:08] <snap-l> I think I'm getting an itch
[16:09] <snap-l> No, wait, that's me wondering why thing ship with ways to delete the whole database
[16:09] <snap-l> Admin is hard. Let's just DROP DATABASE
[16:10] <brousch> It drops each table
[16:10] <snap-l> for i in list_o_tables: DROP i
[16:10] <snap-l> How very PHP
[16:10] <snap-l> Grow a pair and just DROP DATABASE
[16:10] <snap-l> ;)
[16:11] <snap-l> You want referential integrity? Reference this.
[16:11] <brousch> It was really very nice. When you have a dozen apps in your project and you're working on one of them it saved a lot of time to just reset the tables for that one app
[16:11] <jrwren> anyone know where I can get libvirt built with esxi support? preferably a ppa
[16:12] <snap-l> http://www.gremwell.com/node/155
[16:12] <jrwren> brousch: its VERY easy to write a python script, load django settings and clear db for that app.
[16:13] <brousch> Now I'll have to create fixtures for each app so I can rebuild in dev in under 40mins
[16:13] <brousch> jrwren: But it already did that for me. now I have to do it myself!
[16:13] <rick_h_> brousch: which you should be doing anyway
[16:13] <rick_h_> re fixtures
[16:13] <snap-l> jrwren: Google seems to have a lot of instructions on how, but not a lot of packages.
[16:14] <snap-l> jrwren: VMWare doesn't ship with something?
[16:14] <rick_h_> snap-l: that's what I was thinking. vmware costs $$ so you get pretty tools. Enjoy
[16:14] <jrwren> snap-l: vmware vsphere client is windows only :(
[16:15] <snap-l> Well, I'd think they'd have at least something to interface with libvirt
[16:15] <jrwren> libvirt does, but apparently ubuntu doesn't build it - idiots
[16:15] <snap-l> though I believe Virtualbox routes around that by doing their own thing
[16:15] <jrwren> i'll just rebuild the package.
[16:15] <jrwren> *sigh*
[16:15] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, that's unfortunate
[16:16] <snap-l> Oh, apparently there is something for Virtualbox
[16:16] <snap-l> well I'll be.
[16:17] <jrwren> freedom is missing from virtualbox
[16:17] <snap-l> It's there as long as you don't use USB
[16:17] <jrwren> it is?
[16:17] <jrwren> freedom from the tyrany that is oracle?
[16:17] <snap-l> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions
[16:18] <snap-l> Well, no, unfortunately Oracle still comes bundled
[16:21] <rick_h_> jrwren: is https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-virt/+archive/ppa without?
[16:22] <jrwren> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/raring/libvirt/raring/view/head:/debian/rules  is :(
[16:23] <jrwren> i think those are since they are built from the ubuntu-virt package
[16:23] <jrwren> rick_h_: those are also all 1yr+ old
[16:23] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, bummer
[16:26] <jrwren> thank you for looking and finding
[16:26] <rick_h_> jrwren: figured someone must have one, but hard to tell of the tons of libvirt ppa and nothing that looks sane/official
[16:27] <jrwren> right
[16:29] <rick_h_> love USPS...sure, we got that package in IN on the 26th...but it'll take a week to get it to MI
[16:29] <rick_h_> nothing like taking 7 days for a 3.5hr drive
[16:30] <snap-l> rick_h_: I hate that
[16:30] <snap-l> You paid for ground, we're damn well going to make sure you don't get it next day
[16:30] <snap-l> Wait, that's not UPS.
[16:31] <snap-l> Not sure why USPS woould take longer
[16:31] <snap-l> Though if it's media rate, it takes a donkey-trail down some back roads to get anywhere.
[16:32] <snap-l> Honestly, if you don't ship first class or priority, the USPS takes forever
[16:32] <rick_h_> yea, media mail it looks like
[16:32] <snap-l> Whenever I ship things, I'll usually eat the difference between media and first class
[16:32] <snap-l> Saves me hassle
[16:33] <snap-l> unless it's something like a brick of a book
[18:32] <snap-l> Reminder: Ubuntu Global Jam is this weekend
[18:32] <snap-l> starting Friday and going through Sunday
[18:32] <greg-g> snap-l: is there an IRL version for us-mi?
[18:32] <snap-l> No, this is totally online
[18:32] <snap-l> Trying an experiment. :)
[18:33] <snap-l> Hopefully it'll get more people participating who might otherwise not participate because they can't make the venue
[18:33] <greg-g> snap-l: cool, I assume this is yet another example were Canonical is follow Ubuntu Michigan's lead ;)
[18:33] <snap-l> I'd like to think so. :)
[18:34] <snap-l> I know that's probably BS, but...
[18:35] <jrwren> i've not been following raring much.
[18:35] <snap-l> Me either
[18:35] <jrwren> timing wise, does this mean its a good time to try an alpha install?
[18:36] <snap-l> Usually, though usual caveats apply
[18:36] <jrwren> of course
[18:36] <jrwren> i'm thinking alpha must be soon
[18:38] <jrwren> hrm, nope https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Cadence/Raring
[18:38] <jrwren> is global bug jam earlier than in years past?
[18:39] <snap-l> Actually, I'm remembering something about not doing alpha releases
[18:39] <snap-l> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/02/14/13-04-raring-ringtail-alpha-2-released/
[18:39] <snap-l> Nope, I'm remembering wrong
[18:39] <jrwren> ah, ty.
[18:41] <jrwren> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing linked from there is not up to date :(
[18:41] <jrwren> seems like ubuntu is really falling apart these days.
[18:41] <snap-l> I'm finding links mentioning the "no alpha releases"
[18:42] <snap-l> but they're from places like PCWorld and Webupd8, so I question accuracy.
[18:42] <snap-l> I think there's no blessed alpha release
[18:43] <greg-g> :/
[18:43] <brousch> http://lwn.net/Articles/522232/
[18:47] <rick_h_> rolling baby
[18:48] <snap-l> I thought it was just Canonical being evil. ;)
[18:48] <snap-l> (That whole line of thinking drives me nuts)
[18:48] <rick_h_> yea, that too. I think they must hate all users
[18:48] <rick_h_> everyone, stop using the software...except it's cool and works so carry on
[18:49] <greg-g> unless you want real GNOME :/
[18:49] <rick_h_> but no one wants that :P
[18:51] <brousch> Indeed
[18:51] <jcastro> greg-g: UGR is well on its way to being official
[18:51] <jcastro> maybe even this cycle
[18:53] <rick_h_> ok, I can get a N10, but have to go to a walmart? hmmm...that's tough
[18:55] <greg-g> jcastro: thank god, this multimonitor support is killing me
[19:00] <snap-l> rick_h_: Are you shitting me?
[19:00] <snap-l> One more reason to hate Walmart. :)
[19:00] <snap-l> I'd pay for it in pennies soaked in dog piss
[19:01] <snap-l> actually, it's not their employees fault
[19:12] <jrwren> yes it is.
[19:12] <jrwren> but not the employees we see there.
[19:12] <jrwren> its execs and employees that set and practice corp policy
[19:33] <jrwren> what is the difference between quantal-security adn quantal-updates repos?
[19:35] <jrwren> nevermind https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#Updates_Tab
[19:46] <jcastro> you only need need security
[19:46] <jcastro> you can get by without -updates
[19:50] <jrwren> *nod*
[20:55] <jrwren> hrm, the esx support in libvirt deps libcurl, but I cannot imagine that is a good enough reason to exclude.
[21:02] <jcastro> greg-g: hypothetically speaking ...
[21:02] <jcastro> greg-g: what are the chances you can help me find someone willing to help us with the conversion of the content?
[21:02] <jcastro> I have the script OpenStack used ...
[21:04] <rick_h_> jcastro: coming out to CHC?
[21:04] <jcastro> I can't even get out of the driveway dude
[21:04] <rick_h_> what?!
[21:04] <jcastro> dead serious
[21:04] <jcastro> I've been going out every hour and shovelling
[21:04] <rick_h_> come on, that AWD volvo won't get out?
[21:04] <jcastro> jill's car isn't moving
[21:04] <rick_h_> it's all warm and melting
[21:04] <jcastro> and she couldn't make it into the garage last night
[21:05] <jcastro> so I have a VW sized mountain I need to dig out
[21:05] <rick_h_> hah
[21:05] <jcastro> before the Volvo can rock
[21:06] <snap-l> jcastro: Dude, what the hell?
[21:06] <jcastro> dude, why am I being flamed?


[00:18] <NCommander> Hey all. Anyone around who can reset my bugcontrol membership so it doesn't expire?
[00:23] <hggdh> NCommander, bdmurray, or ogasawara, I think
[00:23] <ogasawara> NCommander: I can update it, just a sec
[00:24] <bdmurray> ogasawara: please don't
[00:24] <bdmurray> NCommander: as a developer you are a member of the team already so your membership is redundant
[00:25] <ogasawara> bdmurray: ah, so if his personal membership expires he'll still have membership through the team.  roger that.
[00:26] <bdmurray> ogasawara: right, he just won't be a "direct" member which is what I'd prefer
[00:26] <ogasawara> bdmurray: ok cool, I leave it alone then
[00:28] <NCommander> bdmurray, oh, that's freaking odd. LP really should notify you better in that case
[00:29] <NCommander> bdmurray, I didn't know that little tidbit, thanks :-)
[00:29] <bdmurray> NCommander: No problem, thanks for understanding!
[00:35] <micahg> bdmurray: I wanted to ask you about the needs packaging bugs
[00:36] <micahg> is this a case where we can confirm our own bugs?
[00:36] <micahg> why not use the triaged state?
[00:39] <bdmurray> I'd say confirmed if really doesn't exist and triaged if doesn't exist and has license info + upstream url
[00:39] <micahg> ok, should the wiki be updated to reflect that?
[00:39] <micahg> that makes sense
[00:40] <bdmurray> okay, well if makes sense to someone else sure!
[00:40] <micahg> also, should the upstream url be to the site or to the tarball?
[00:40] <bdmurray> site I think is sufficient
[00:40] <micahg> ok
[00:42] <micahg> how I do I indent under a bullet?
[00:44] <micahg> neverminf
[00:44] <micahg> *nevermind
[00:44] <kakemann> Hi Guys! If I find a bug that is already reported upstream and link it, with "also affects this project", is it nescessary to anything else with status and importance?
[00:45] <bdmurray> kakemann: no, the upstreams status and importance will get auto updated
[00:45] <kakemann> bdmurray: Ok, that was what i thougt, just wanted to make sure. Thanks
[00:51] <micahg> bdmurray: do we want to request packaging in debian for stuff requested for Ubuntu in case they can do it first?
[00:52] <bdmurray> micahg: I don't think so due to the tremendous volume of needs-packaging requests that we receive
[00:52] <micahg> ok
[03:08] <bcurtiswx> anyone here get empathys sound events to work?
[03:15] <Laibsch> Why does "ldd /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader8/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread" tell me "/usr/bin/ldd: line 117: /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader8/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: No such file or directory" when the file is right there?
[03:15] <Laibsch> I'm trying to investigate why karmic FF3.5 recently started crashing when a tab with a PDF is closed
[03:39] <bcurtiswx> bug #400485 O:-)
[03:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 400485 in empathy "Empathy sounds not in default ubuntu theme" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/400485
[06:27] <dholbach> good morning
[07:20] <micahg> is there another app on KDE instead of synaptic?
[07:34] <micahg> hey thekorn
[07:35] <thekorn> hi micahg !
[07:35] <micahg> can you answer a few questions for the hugday?
[07:35] <micahg> are you familiar with synaptic?
[07:36] <thekorn> micahg, don't know, just ask you questions, I'll try my best to answer them
[07:37] <micahg> is there another app on KDE instead of synaptic?
[07:37] <thekorn> or maybe someone of the > 100 people in here knows the answer ;)
[07:37] <micahg> well already asked that 17 minutes ago
[07:37] <Hellow> Hmm
[07:37] <micahg> Hi Hellow
[07:38] <Hellow> I heard they replaced the old KDE package manager with a newer one - but I forgot what it is
[07:38] <micahg> bug 82959 would be wishlist if there is
[07:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 82959 in synaptic "synaptic tries to run gksu on kubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82959
[07:38] <Hellow> There is a KDE package manager
[07:39] <Hellow> I know that much
[07:42] <thekorn> isn't it adept?
[07:42] <Hellow> Yes. thats it
[07:44] <micahg> yeah
[07:44] <micahg> ok
[07:45] <micahg> so that
[07:47] <micahg> next Q, does synaptic get its list of filters from apt or internally?
[07:47] <micahg> bug 91167
[07:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 91167 in synaptic "wish: obsolete / "upgrade only" packages should be hidden" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91167
[07:47] <micahg> I think this is already done
[07:50] <micahg> but I don't know enmough about synaptic, I have an obsolete filter
[07:57] <thekorn> micahg, honestyl, I don't understand which kid of feature the reporter would like to see in synaptic,
[07:58] <thekorn> but since this bugreport is kind of old, what about aksing him if this obsolete status filter you described above is what he was looking for
[08:00] <thekorn> micahg, and my opinion about the bugreport about using synaptic on kde: I think it is won't fix or invalid since kde has it's own tools for such tasks
[08:01] <thekorn> which should do a much better job, per definition
[08:03] <micahg> well, I would think it's a simple fix to use gksu or kdesu
[08:04] <micahg> It's not like their asking to drop gtk or something
[08:48] <moxo> hi! I've installed a PPA for xorg some weeks ago. now my update manager wants to update X11. will my manually installed PPA get lost once I let the update manager update xorg?
[08:51] <micahg> moxo: regular support in #ubuntu
[08:51] <micahg> please :)
[08:51] <micahg> this channel is for bug triagin
[08:51] <micahg> g
[09:01] <dholbach> try #ubuntu-x
[09:02] <moxo> ok
[14:56] <bcurtiswx> bug #400485
[14:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 400485 in empathy "Empathy sounds not in default ubuntu theme" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/400485
[14:56] <bcurtiswx> O:-)
[15:54] <bdmurray> mvo: can you add my patch to software-properties in bug 399864?
[15:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 399864 in software-properties "add-apt-repository typ" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/399864
[15:54] <bdmurray> mvo: also where is the bzr branch for that now?
[15:58] <mvo> bdmurray: sure, doing that now
[15:58] <mvo> bdmurray: is it not there with lp:software-properties ?
[15:58]  * mvo checks the setup
[15:59] <bdmurray> mvo: its not and there is no xvcs bit in the package
[16:00] <mvo> bdmurray: ups, sorry for that. I fix it now
[16:00] <bdmurray> mvo: great thanks!
[16:05] <mvo> bdmurray: hm, I don't own it currently, I asked riddel to give me access
[16:42] <dtchen> bdmurray: pong, are you still experiencing the "only-stereo-speakers" symptom? (sorry about the lag; i'm travelling internationally ATM)
[16:43] <bdmurray> dtchen: nope, its working now
[16:43] <dtchen> bdmurray: ok
[16:43] <bdmurray> thanks for asking
[21:50] <jander991> Hello all.
[21:54] <jander991> I'm looking for some direction.  I'd like to help with cleaning up the "New / Undecided" bugs.  Doing a quick search, sorted by "Least Recently Changed," displays bug reports from over 2 years ago.  How should I proceed with these bugs? Most are from Fiesty/Edgy and I'm sure they have just been abandoned.
[22:01] <mrooney> jander991: that is a great thing to do!
[22:01] <mrooney> there has been discussion of this before, I don't remember exactly, it probably deserves a wiki page if there isn't one
[22:02] <jander991> mrooney: so there's no set procedure for bugs that have been long-abandoned?
[22:02] <mrooney> there may be, I just don't know it off-hand, I'd ask bdmurray or perhaps hggdh
[22:03] <mrooney> there is a stock response I think
[22:05] <mrooney> jander991:  there are a couple useful things to do though certainly
[22:05] <mrooney> if there are bugs marked as incomplete without a response, you can Invalidate them
[22:06] <mrooney> and bugs NOT in incomplete status that haven't been touched for so long, so probably either be marked incomplete or invalid
[22:06] <jander991> mrooney: Thanks, I've been trying to find a definition of the statuses available to me, and leaning toward invalid.
[22:07] <mrooney> this is a good resource: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[22:07] <mrooney> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase more generally
[22:08] <mrooney> jander991: if the bug is against unsupported distros there is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Distro%20has%20reached%20EOL
[22:09] <mrooney> Edgy, Feisty and Gutsy are unsupported so if they are things you can attempt to reproduce, you can triage them that way
[22:09] <jander991> mrooney: ok, thanks.  I'll give these a read.  Considering there are over 23,000 bugs marked New/Undecided, I wanna make sure I do right by those 23,000 people who took the time to fill out *something* heh
[22:09] <mrooney> yeah definitely good :)
[22:09] <mrooney> cleaning out the least recently touched bugs is definitely a good place to start
[22:10] <mrooney> just keep in mind you have two very different sets of users: ones that have long been ignored and ones that have been long ignoring triagers asking questions
[22:13] <jander991> mrooney: Indeed.  I know the bugs I've filed have sometimes "fallen of deaf ears" as it were.  Typically, however, new releases have fixed issues.  But even I've been lax in going and closing my own bugs.
[22:13] <mrooney> yeah, bugsquad can definitely use more help :)
[22:14] <jander991> mrooney: Be around a bit? Gonna read those links you provided me, might have a question or two.
[22:14] <mrooney> yeah certainly
[22:15] <mrooney> don't be afraid to ask anything!
[22:16] <mrooney> I think it would be neat to have a metric over time of 1) how long ago was the least-recently updated bug and 2) the average "age" of all bugs and try to get those down
[23:05] <hggdh> jander991: for bugs long-abandoned: first try to reproduce it on a current version; if it is still there, then update the description as shown in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Description
[23:06] <hggdh> jander991: also, add a comment asking if this bug is still an issue, ask about it. There is a stock response at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Old%20untouched%20bugs
[23:06] <hggdh> jander991: and finally: thank you for helping
[23:07] <jander991> hggdh: Hello.  Thanks for a response.  I've been marking them Incomplete, and attached the EOL message if I can determine the age of the release.
[23:07] <hggdh> :-)
[23:08] <hggdh> jander991: hum. Although the released might have reached EOL, the bug might be still existent on a supported release.
[23:09] <jander991> hggdh: It'd be almost impossibly show to attempt recreating some of these bugs, though.  Especially in software I don't normally use.  Should I leave them as "New / Undecided" or at least mark them Incomplete or Invalid according to the "Responses" policies and attach the message asking the reporter to confirm if it exists in a supported release?
[23:10] <hggdh> jander991: I would go with "Incomplete/is this still an issue on supported releases" option, then give it some 3 weeks. No response after that, close invalid
[23:11] <jander991> hddgh: With my default permissions on launchpad, does marking it "Invalid" close it altogether?
[23:11] <hggdh> jander991: yes, invalid is a final state. Also, I agree that for many packages it may not be possible to test.
[23:12] <jander991> hddgh: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rsibreak/+bug/118769  Something like this?
[23:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 118769 in rsibreak "countdown counter is clipped while drawing rsibreak screen and user is typing" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[23:12] <hggdh> looking it up
[23:13] <jander991> Thanks.  I'd like to make sure I'm doing it correctly enough just to get the 'New' marked off these 2+ year old bugs. :)
[23:15] <hggdh> jander991: yes, perfect. You will get an added bonus if you check is the package still exists on recent releases (you can look at, for example. http://packages.ubuntu.com, or try 'dpkg -l name\*')
[23:15] <hggdh> BTW the bonus is just theoretical ;-) -- our unbounded gratitude :-)
[23:16] <jander991> hddgh: Yes, I've been looking through my local apt, since I have all ubuntu repos enabled.  Unfortunately sometimes a version number is missing from launchpad.
[23:17] <jander991> moving to laptop, sun has come out in Georgia.
[23:18] <jander99> Well that explains why my name was taken, was already logged in!
[23:20] <jander99> hggdh: Is there any reason these bugs haven't been tackled before? Just lack of person-power to go through them?
[23:21] <mrooney> I think so
[23:22] <mrooney> but also by definition you are looking at old bugs
[23:22] <mrooney> so inherently they are untackled
[23:22] <mrooney> if I look at the oldest bugs after you clean up a bunch, I could say the same thing :)
[23:24] <jander99> I almost hope to spark a discussion on how older bugs could be solidly tackled.  Since there are procedures for new bugs, especially ones easily found in other bug trackers.  I feel as though I'm attempting to force a newer method of triage on older bugs.  I know it'd be easier to just mark them all invalid, and start over with new, more complete bugs, but I know that isn't the answer.
[23:27] <bcurtiswx> hey everyone, anyone else think this bug #400485 is a fairly important one?
[23:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 400485 in ubuntu-sounds "Empathy sounds not in default ubuntu theme" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/400485
[23:27] <hggdh> jander99: it is mostly lack of manpower. Almost all of us here are volunteers...
[23:28] <hggdh> every bug is a bug, and should be tackled. Unfortunately, most triagers tend to look a new, current bugs only
[23:29] <jander99> hggdh: Understood.  With the economy I...have some time on my hands now...so I'd like to at least contribute in some fashion.  If cleaning up launchpad so a better understanding of the numbers benefits the ones who have more experience in looking through bugs, I'd like to help in the best possible way I can.  I know when I first started looking for a way to help, I just saw numbers, lots and lots of numbers.
[23:30] <hggdh> upstream gnome, for example, has an approach on *new* bugs on older versions: they only accept bugs for the last two versions. But still, there are many old bugs untouched there...
[23:31] <hggdh> if you are willing to look at the old bugs, thank you. We need it.
[23:31] <hggdh> and yes, I *know* about the economy ;-)  am an independent consultant
[23:33] <bcurtiswx> hggdh and his cali ways :P
[23:33] <hggdh> uh?
[23:34] <bcurtiswx> s/cali/consult
[23:34] <hggdh> ah. Indeed.
[23:34] <jander99> hggdh: Willing to help if I can pad my resume a bit ;-)  But in all honestly, I hate not feeling useful at the moment, so I need to make myself useful.
[23:34] <bcurtiswx> jander99: interested in ubuntu bug triage?
[23:35] <bcurtiswx> its volunteer, but you get rewarded with people like hggdh
[23:35] <hggdh> jander99: triaging you are being *extremely* useful, and we will thank you again and again
[23:35] <bcurtiswx> and again and again.....
[23:36] <hggdh> unfortunately, it will do not much, in the short term, to feed you. But, in the medium/long term, can be added to your resume, like "Member of the Ubuntu Community". By itself pays nothing, but I am very proud of it
[23:37] <bcurtiswx> please kick me out if my responses are intrusive and annoying.. but hggdh is right.. we are all very proud of what we do with Ubuntu
[23:37] <jander99> Thanks guys.  I'd just like to make sure I'm doing it correctly rather than incorrectly.  I think for the next few days, I'm only going to see bugs that are 2 years old.  So no doubt they don't come close to Hardy+ at which point I'll need more guidance on how to deal with 'em.
[23:37] <hggdh> bcurtiswx: no, we do not kick people outta here ;-)
[23:38] <hggdh> jander99: if in doubt, please do ask for help. Any one of us here (and, in particular, the channel managers) will be happy to help out
[23:38] <hggdh> BTW, no, I am *not* a channel manager
[23:39] <bcurtiswx> channel managers?
[23:39] <hggdh> er, the bugmaisters
[23:39] <hggdh> Brian, Leann, Pedro, etc
[23:39] <bcurtiswx> ahh, ok
[23:40] <hggdh> shoot! s/bugmAisters/bugmEisters/ Not even my German works today :-(
[23:40] <bcurtiswx> i don't have german skillz :P
[23:40] <jander99> Well luckily I'm mostly dealing with bugs against what I would consider old versions, so the default "Can you try with the latest Ubuntu release?" message seems fitting, for now.
[23:41] <jander99> heh I learned sed the other weekend when I attmpted Linux from Scratch in a VM.
[23:42] <jander99> And by attempted I mean, got the point it was alot of typing and realized I'd learned enough.
[23:42] <hggdh> and I have a broken German. Married one, with grandparents that decided I not only spoke German, but the dialect of their villages. Unfortunately, they were from 3 different villages, and two rather differetn areas of germany
[23:42] <hggdh> heh. jander99, it is a good experience
[23:43] <jander99> hddgh: Yes, it gave me an appreciation of having others build a distro for me. :-D
[23:44]  * hggdh does not do Linux-from-scratch for quite a long time
[23:44] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: why doesn't a bugmaster make a script that goes through the bugs on old versions and asks the users to test on newer versions and sets them as incomplete until the reporter responds?
[23:45] <hggdh> bcurtiswx: usually this ends up as an email storm to those subscribed (or for subcribed teams), so it is not well seen. I think nowadays there is a way of updating a bug without spamming, but I am not sure
[23:45] <jander99> because then I wouldn't have anything to do to learn bug triaging! lol j/k.  that would be a good use of automation.
[23:46] <jander99> Could the email generated be sent only to the reporter, not to the other subscribers?
[23:46] <hggdh> well, there is also this aspect. Let's look, at least right now, at old bugs as a training ground
[23:47] <hggdh> jander99: this is what I am not sure if can be controlled. An email is usually sent to *all* subscribers. I think the new API might allow, but I have not looked at it. Yet.
[23:47] <jander99> you could file a bug...
[23:47]  * hggdh obviously has some idle time right now...
[23:48] <micahg> jander99, also, sometimes the original poster will abandon the bug and someone else will have the same problem still and be subscribe
[23:48] <hggdh> it is probably already filed. You can search for it...
[23:48] <micahg> just the reporter isn't always a good solution
[23:48] <hggdh> micahg: good point
[23:48] <micahg> direct subscribers maybe
[23:48] <micahg> but then you get duplicate subscribers as well
[23:49] <micahg> bdmurray has stated that it's better to triage the bugs coming in than clean up past bugs
[23:49] <micahg> if I remember correctly
[23:50] <bcurtiswx> micahg: you are right, because older bugs will eventually get dupes that are fixed as newer bugs.. and theoretically it will help with the older bugs
[23:50] <hggdh> as a generic rule, yes. But, still, the old bugs need to be looked at. And I appreciate jander99 efforts there
[23:50] <jander99> micahg: It would be only logical to focus on bugs less than, say 1 year old, since most people do end up upgrading.  But that doesn't mean the cruft in Launchpad will get any smaller.
[23:50] <hggdh> keep in mind that a new bug will became old in just half a year...
[23:51] <jander99> Hey look, one of the bugs I've marked today have already been labelled fixed.
[23:51] <hggdh> and -- given the lack of volunteers for triaging, *then* it is important to zero in new issues
[23:51] <bcurtiswx> if i haven't said it yet...
[23:52] <hggdh> say it!
[23:52] <bcurtiswx> jander99, work on old bugs is SOOO GREAT!!!! so sorry if i make it seem like its not.
[23:52] <hggdh> jander99: there you go, one less bug in the face of the earth, er, launchpad
[23:54] <jander99> I'm not saying the old ones don't count. I know they do.  Just...less so than newer ones people are facing right now.  So at least bringing some of these dusty ones up to the surface, others will be able to take action on them and get them appropriately fixed.  Just glad I can help in some capacity.
[23:54] <micahg> I'm not trying to discourage any efforts, but the hugdays can help clean out old cruft
[23:54] <micahg> If we can get people to adopt a package or 2 and make sure the new stuff coming in is taken care of fairly quickly, I think we might be better off
[23:54] <micahg> I'm trying to triage the firefox bugs and I can't keep up by myself
[23:55] <micahg> I'm can almost keep the number of new bugs from increasing but it's close
[23:55] <micahg> a lot of times the older issue might already have been fixed upstream or at least reported upstream
[23:55] <jander99> 3.5 was horrid installing from -proposed
[23:56] <micahg> that's why we have proposed :)
[23:56] <jander99> oh, its in -updates and -security
[23:56] <micahg> hopefully they fixed it for the final install
[23:56] <micahg> yeah
[23:56] <hggdh> micahg: I remember discussing hug days for old bugs, and we reached a consensus that they are better used on recent bugs
[23:56] <micahg> true
[23:57] <micahg> but older bugs can end up on hte list like they did for synaptic yesterday
[23:57] <bcurtiswx> with the fact that ubuntu wants to make empathy default.. im thinking of adopting that package
[23:57] <hggdh> yes indeed, so each hug day helps clean up old cruft
[23:57] <micahg> exactly
[23:57] <micahg> and if the rest of the time, we can keep the number of new bugs at bay, we can make a dent
[23:58] <hggdh> bcurtiswx: if you use it, you can help drive the fixes (and improvements) it needs
[23:58] <bcurtiswx> and I do
[23:58] <Laibsch> Hi, is Scott Remnant around?
[23:58]  * hggdh tried, but could not get used *not* having IRC commands
[23:58] <micahg> I use Firefox all day, that's why I chose it
[23:58] <micahg> if everyone can choose something they are comfortable with, I think we can really make a difference
[23:58] <hggdh> +1
[23:59] <micahg> the other problem I have is responding to old stuff while keeping up with the new stuff
[23:59] <yofel> what's the policy on bugs like bug 400573 ? That's not a packaging request but a request to include a package on the live cd
[23:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 400573 in ubuntu "[needs packaging]wvdial (1.60.1+nmu2)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/400573


[00:28] <directhex> micahg, time to recompile the world?
[00:28] <micahg> directhex: almost, we have to make sure it builds in Debian first, otherwise there will be a -3 :)
[07:24] <Laney> jesus
[07:24] <Laney> you scared me, I certainly hoped it wasn't unstable
[08:15] <iulian> :)
[08:17] <Laney> syncin'
[08:18] <Laney> (to proposed)
[08:18] <iulian> Great.
[09:18]  * dupondje trying to get pbuilder running for lenny :( damn
[09:18] <dupondje> changed sources.list (in pbuilder-dist lenny login --save-after-login
[09:18] <dupondje> but on pbuilder-dist lenny update it still uses other sources :(
[15:57] <Riddell> anyone know why http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/ doesn't do universe?
[15:58] <Laney> what do you mean 'do'?
[15:58] <Laney> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/no_updated.html lists universe packages for me
[16:03] <Laney> Riddell: ^
[18:06] <Laney> iulian: jbicha: other interested folks: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/ghc.html
[19:45] <geser> Laney: haskell-* packages from round 1 uploaded
[19:46] <Laney> oh, nice
[19:46] <Laney> good job I didn't do any yet :P
[19:46] <geser> do haskell-dummy and haskell-platform really need a rebuild too?
[19:46] <Laney> red there merely means they are uninstallable
[19:47] <Laney> just leave those until last and we'll see
[19:49] <geser> I noticed too late that haskell-diagrams doesn't need a rebuild either (no ABI in Depends:)
[19:51] <Laney> yeah it's a metapackage
[20:39] <paultag> hey kirkland - around?
[20:46] <paultag> kirkland: OK, I'll just leave this here for you - have you thought about getting overlayfs into Debian? It'd be really handy
[20:55] <arand> I'm getting this issue when trying to (fast-forward) merge from one bzr repo to the other, both contains patches which are committed as applied (LP import from Debian seems to do that bit :( ###bzr: ERROR: Unable to unapply quilt patches for 'other' tree: rmdir: failed to remove `.pc/security-text-command-fix.patch': No such file or directory
[20:56] <arand> ^that particular patch exists in the updated branch but not the one I'm merging into.
[21:01] <arand> Also, does the lp branch matter as far as the bzr repo goes, i.e. if the PP and QQ repos are content/commitwise identical would it matter if I branched PP, did some commits and sent that as a merge proposal for QQ?
[21:10] <geser> Laney: do you have an idea why haskell-text (-1build2) is still complete red?
[21:11] <geser> I tried "apt-get -s install" for the binary packages and all can be installed (tested on amd64 but it's red too)
[21:25] <Laney> geser: no
[21:25] <Laney> let's wait for the next refresh ...
[21:35] <geser> Laney: looks good now
[21:35] <geser> we can process level 2 now
[21:36] <Laney> i'll not do anything tonight
[21:36] <Laney> so feel free
[21:38] <geser> me probably neither