 Hello
 I dont run Lubuntu but im internet friends and I work with Simon and I would like to see what pops here in the Lubuntu telegram
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/au89RAY.jpg Night guys
[04:06] <MrCrackPot> i found this issue https://github.com/lxqt/qterminal/issues/103 but the fix isnt working for me has there been any updates ??
[04:16] <MrCrackPot> its ok i removed it completely seems its not possible.
 ping
 is lubuntu supporting for wireless mouse indicator?
[11:57] <_jagged> Hello, has anybody had trouble using Allegro5 audio with Lubuntu?
[11:57] <_jagged> I ask here because I'm thinking it's an lxqt thing
[11:58] <_jagged> Because, as seemingly always, it's only me who has this problem
[12:18] <guiverc> _jagged, fyi: i've never used allegro audio, but looking at what it is I'd suspect other places in the software stack more than de(lxqt) - but this is guess
[12:19] <apt-ghetto> And please don't forget to describe the problem
[13:12] <_jagged> Thanks for the reply guiverc2, to be honest I only asked here out of frustration from Googling/debugging and a few glasses of red.
[13:12] <_jagged> I'm thinking it's ALSA or something like that.
[13:12] <_jagged> Damn..  XD
[13:16] <apt-ghetto> Maybe it does not work from telegram
[13:16] <_jagged> Ok, so this is not mIRC circa '99
[13:17] <_jagged> I'll be carefu... asl?
 @_jagged [<_jagged> Now it's spitting language warnings at me], And it's not "it" It's @aptghetto: XD
 @_jagged [<_jagged> Ok, so this is not mIRC circa '99], This IRC channel is bridged to the telegram channel and vice versa.
[16:36] <n-iCe> Hello
[16:36] <n-iCe> Is lubuntu actually lightweight than xubuntu?
 @n-iCe [<n-iCe> Hello], Namaste!
 @n-iCe [<n-iCe> Is lubuntu actually lightweight than xubuntu?], Yup! It is.
[16:37] <n-iCe> I'm tempted on try it
[16:37] <n-iCe> now lxde is gone
[16:37] <n-iCe> should I make the jump? of course clean install
 we have lxqt form 18.10 onwards.
 @n-iCe [<n-iCe> should I make the jump? of course clean install], Yup! you should.
[16:38] <wxl> though 18.10 is dead, so get 19.04
[16:38] <wxl> and yes, do it
[16:38] <n-iCe> hi wxl !
[16:38] <wxl> o/
 @wxl [<wxl> though 18.10 is dead, so get 19.04], RIP 18.10
[16:38] <n-iCe> yeah, I'm in an old version
[16:38] <n-iCe> Let me download it
[16:38] <n-iCe> Lubuntu 19.04 (Disco Dingo) Released!
 wxl: check dev channel plox!!
[16:40] <n-iCe> oh 32bits was removed
 wxl checks all his pings, no need to crossping ;)
 ... though I just annoy wxl until he does stuff lol @The_LoudSpeaker
 n-iCe yes, 19.04 32bit ISOs were removed
 @teward001 [... though I just annoy wxl until he does stuff lol @The_LoudSpeaker], XD
 you need to install 18.04 and do upgrades to newer releases in-place to still get 32bit Lubuntu installations
 though that will only work for a limited amount of time (and I think you can only get 19.04 with that?)
[16:41] <wxl> something like that
 32 bit support should have ended on an LTS release. 19.04 will aslo die soon.
[16:43] <n-iCe> but my old laptop has 32bits
[16:43] <n-iCe> :<
[16:45] <apt-ghetto> Then you can choose between Xubuntu or Lubuntu 18.04, which are both supported until april 2021
[16:45] <apt-ghetto> And you can consider Xubuntu a bit better supported
[16:46] <wxl> just because XFCE isn't dead upstream like LXDE :/
[16:46] <wxl> but in general in the Ubuntu world, 32 bit should not be considered well supported
[16:48] <n-iCe> what about Debian
[16:49] <wxl> i've heard there has been some rumbling about dropping it but nothing serious
[16:50] <wxl> they have pretty good support for old useless equipment XD
[16:50] <n-iCe> is debian that bad?
[16:51] <The_LoudSpeaker> Actually in a sense, its good. For old systems.
[16:51] <wxl> debian isn't bad at all!
[16:51] <wxl> *at all*
[16:51] <wxl> it's very good
[16:51] <wxl> it's really what ubuntu is based on
[16:51] <wxl> we just put a much more friendly face on it
[16:52] <wxl> but they do a lot of support of old things that we don't
[16:52] <wxl> so just to clarify: Debian = good; old hardware = bad
[16:55] <n-iCe> I see
[16:55] <apt-ghetto> LXDE in Debian come from the same dead upstream, I suppose
[16:56] <wxl> yep
[18:33] <Guest75841> hi
[20:49] <dabblerdude> Hello, I have an issue on Lubuntu. I plugged in my phone to my laptop and was able to view images on there, but when I transferred some images to the desktop and tried to view them, they were unable to be viewed.
[20:50] <dabblerdude> Same with videos as well.
[20:50] <wxl> what happens?
[20:52] <dabblerdude> wxl: I don't know. I'll share a pastebin link with some pictures explaining the problem.
[21:53] <dabblerdude> Ok, here's the link.
[21:53] <dabblerdude> I decided to use an imgur link instead.
[21:54] <dabblerdude> https://imgur.com/a/7tUOI31
[21:54] <wxl> interesting. you're on 18.04?
[21:55] <wxl> OH
[21:55] <wxl> look at the file size
[21:55] <wxl> it's much smaller
[21:55] <wxl> i bet you made a shortcut rather than actually copying/moving the file
[21:56] <wxl> if the shortcut pointed back to the phone but the phone was disconnected, then it would just consider it as a standard file and then it would complain
[21:56] <wxl> also: i really urge you to use 19.04 and not 18.04.
[21:58] <dabblerdude> I just dragged the file from the camera to the desktop; how would that reduce the file size?
[21:58] <wxl> it wouldn't
[21:58] <wxl> but it might make a shortcut
[21:59] <dabblerdude> I'm using 18.04 LTS because I'm gonna sell this laptop of mine, and I don't want whoever buys it to update the system every 6 months.
[21:59] <dabblerdude> It would be better if the customer updates it every 3 years, as that's how long a Ubuntu derivative LTS release lasts.
[22:00] <noizk> Hi
[22:00] <dabblerdude> noizk Hi.
[22:01] <noizk> Hi. Touchpad click is not working (I'm using Lubuntu 19.04) any idea how to fix it?
 Try restarting
 Always happens with school laptops
[22:02] <noizk> I already did
[22:02] <wxl> 18.04 will become basically obsolete in 2021
 uh
[22:02] <wxl> it uses LXDE which is essentially upstream
[22:03] <wxl> essentially dead i mean
 Try installing applications that work with the computer brand like Dell or touchpad software
 If not, you might have to reinstall
[22:03] <wxl> even Fedora's kind of dropping it
[22:03] <noizk> let me see something
[22:03] <wxl> the transition between LXDE and what we've used since 18.04 (LXQt) is not a simple one. you'd be way better off putting on 19.04 if you want less headaches
[22:04] <wxl> also: confirmed that by default pcman in 18.04 makes shortcuts when you DND
[22:04] <wxl> hold down control while DND to get a copy
[22:04] <wxl> also: LTS means old software and that's not always a plus for a customer
[22:05] <wxl> noizk: it's not work AT ALL?
[22:05] <noizk> Hey beautiful people, in gnome and mate there is some workarounds in the "Setting -> Touchpad" is there something like it in 19.04?
[22:05] <wxl> yep
[22:06] <dabblerdude> So in the long run, is it better to put non-LTS release on this PC if I'm selling it?
[22:06] <lynorian> https://manual.lubuntu.me/3/3.2/3.2.8/keyboard_and_mouse.html
[22:06] <dabblerdude> With LTS releases, they're more stable.
[22:06] <noizk> touchpad is working beautifully, amazingly, it's so much better than on Ubuntu or Xubuntu but no touchpad click
[22:06] <wxl> https://manual.lubuntu.me/3/3.2/3.2.8/keyboard_and_mouse.html?highlight=touchpad
[22:06] <wxl> GMTA
[22:07] <wxl> dabblerdude: LTS is not necessarily more stable. in our case, LXDE is dead upstream. LXQt is heavily developed. that said, LXQt (non-LTS currently) is way more stable
[22:07] <wxl> dabblerdude: also i find in general that having old software is NOT usually beneficial
[22:07] <wxl> noizk: what do you mean by touchpad click? you mean tap to click?
[22:08] <noizk> wxl yes sir
[22:08] <dabblerdude> wxl: So do you recommend, for selling PCs, non-LTS releases because they're more stable?
[22:08] <noizk> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it's working
[22:08] <wxl> dabblerdude: i don't recommend 18.04 to anyone unless they're on 32 bit. that's it.
[22:08] <noizk> I had to enable the first option
[22:09] <dabblerdude> wxl: I'm talking about for selling PCs with Ubuntu on them.
[22:09] <dabblerdude> wxl: LTS or non-LTS for the better choice?
[22:09] <noizk> Non-LTS
[22:09] <wxl> dabblerdude: for Ubuntu proper, it depends. still, though, it necessarily means old software. and that sucks. upgrading is easy. this isn't windows.
[22:10] <dabblerdude> wxl: Yeah, I was wondering why Microsoft's OS' go up to 10+ years of support compared to Ubuntu which is 5 years for an LTS release.
[22:11] <dabblerdude> Or 6 months for the non-LTS ones.
[22:11] <wxl> dabblerdude: because they have to figure out some way to justify charging you an arm and a leg.
[22:12] <noizk> There is something I don't understand: Every time I tried using IRC before I had to register my user name. Now here with Lubuntu bundled client it just works. What magic is this?
[22:12] <wxl> there are certain things that will require you to register
[22:12] <wxl> channels sometimes set modes that require it
[22:12] <wxl> ours doesn't
[22:12] <noizk> Nice
[22:13] <wxl> but it has in the past when spam has been craszy
[22:13] <noizk> when I was 13 and 14 I spent every day on IRC
[22:13] <noizk> I forgot about everything
[22:14] <noizk> "/away" I used to do this before I sleep
[22:15] <dabblerdude> wxl: It's easier to upgrade on Ubuntu?
[22:15] <dabblerdude> That's nice.
[22:16] <noizk> If I remember correctly there wille a new version of 19.10 this year
[22:16] <noizk> or january 2020.
[22:16] <noizk> Just type sudo apt-get upgrade I think
[22:17] <noizk> *Dist-upgrade
[22:19] <dabblerdude> I have been using Ubuntu for a while, and I have some residual parts of using Windows in my mind.
[22:19] <dabblerdude> So I got to remember the differences between the two.
[22:20] <noizk> I use Linux for 1.5 year and I'm still dumb, newbie and I forget things all the time
[22:20] <noizk> If I was introduced to Linux when I was 12 or 13 I would remember things better now. It's normal
[22:21] <noizk> I'm having aliasing issues and even though I fixed compton conf about 4 months ago I don't remember how to do it
[22:22] <dabblerdude> wxl: Btw, you make a good point about the old software. That is an issue that the customer could charge me for.
[22:22] <dabblerdude> I thought the non-LTS releases were less stable and more buggy.
[22:22] <noizk> wxl is there anything I can do in compton conf to improve tearing?
[22:28] <noizk> ?
[22:33] <dabblerdude> So I just copied and pasted some pictures from my phone onto the desktop, and they were able to be viewed.
[22:34] <dabblerdude> For some weird reason, if I drag them onto the desktop and view them from there, they can't be viewed.
[22:37] <noizk> https://github.com/yshui/compton is there any way I can copy this git and install using the terminal?
[22:40] <wxl> dabblerdude: LTS releases can be considered as more stable....... because they have old software. there's less of a chance of putting in cutting edge stuff. but we (Lubuntu) don't tend to do that anyways. Ubuntu often makes huge sweeping changes.
[22:41] <wxl> noizk: i'm not the graphics expert. i just live with the default, really. but i would expect that you'd have more luck with the graphics driver.
[22:41] <wxl> dabblerdude: if you ctrl-drag it will work
[22:41] <wxl> (i said this before)
[22:43] <dabblerdude> wxl: I looked through the chat and didn't see you mention using ctrl-drag.
[22:44] <wxl> noizk: i wouldn't recommend using that considering it's a development branch. instead, if you see something useful, i would suggest you urge the developers to send a pull request upstream.
[22:45] <wxl> 1504 < wxl:#lubuntu> also: confirmed that by default pcman in 18.04 makes shortcuts when you DND
[22:45] <wxl> 1504 < wxl:#lubuntu> hold down control while DND to get a copy
[22:45] <dabblerdude> wxl: So the PC that I'm trying to sell is a Dell Latitude D520, it currently has a Core Duo CPU in it, 2GB of RAM, and I can't get any version above 18.04 because the future versions are 64-bit only.
[22:46] <dabblerdude> It can run YouTube videos at decent quality and can navigate the web well.
[22:46] <noizk> wxl: I found a very interesting 6.2-0york0~18.04 build uploaded in launchpad.net
[22:46] <noizk> I'm going to restart. Let's see if ot works
[22:50] <wxl> dabblerdude: it's not a 32-bit only computer
[22:51] <dabblerdude> Yeah, I could upgrade the CPU in that to a Core 2 Duo.
[22:51] <noizk> Reboot complete
[22:51] <wxl> it had one by default
[22:51] <dabblerdude> Core Duos are 32-bit only whereas the Core 2s support 64 bit.
[22:52] <wxl> from what i can see, it was a core 2 by default
[22:52] <wxl> https://ark.intel.com/content/www/id/id/ark/products/27253/intel-core-2-duo-processor-t5500-2m-cache-1-66-ghz-667-mhz-fsb.html to be specific
[22:52] <noizk> No more tearing wxl
[22:52] <wxl> ij
[22:52] <wxl> uh
[22:52] <wxl> english https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/27253/intel-core-2-duo-processor-t5500-2m-cache-1-66-ghz-667-mhz-fsb.html
[22:52] <noizk> I need to tell devs the https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/compton/+build/16640099 build is sexy
[22:52] <noizk> How do I tell them?
[22:53] <wxl> might want to `lscpu` that thing
[22:53] <wxl> if it's got the `lm` flag, it's 64 capable
[22:54] <wxl> noizk: https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf
[22:54] <wxl> I am not an Ubuntu or Debian developer or maintainer. I offer no warranty for any of these packages. These are created for my own systems
[22:55] <wxl> that's what he says
[22:55] <wxl> i would NOT be using that casually
[22:55] <noizk> I see
[22:55] <wxl> plus he only supports bionic, i.e. 18.04
[22:55] <wxl> so not even sure how it worked on 19.04. it shouldn't have even installed.
[22:55] <dabblerdude> Wait, I'm running 18.04 right now.
[22:55] <noizk> It would be interesting if Lubuntu devs could compile that latest compton github I sent you earlier
[22:56] <dabblerdude> Oop, my mistake.
[22:56] <wxl> as a Lubuntu Developer, i can tell you: no way.
[22:56] <noizk> why not?
[22:56] <wxl> it's a development branch
[22:56] <noizk> I see
[22:56] <wxl> it would be like shipping a prototype car
[22:56] <wxl> i mean sure it comes with lots of neat features
[22:56] <wxl> but when it blows up in someone's face, you've got a problem
[22:56] <noizk> Well I should have done this because that build was made for 18.04 but it ws working
[22:57] <noizk>  I meant I should have done
[22:57] <noizk> *Shouldn't
[22:57] <noizk> sorry
[22:57] <wxl> you should also know something else: no one except that guy will provide you support with those packages
[22:58] <noizk> Right.
[22:59] <noizk> I wish I could compile myself that development git but I would mess something up anyway
[23:00] <noizk> btw Lubuntu is fast now, tearing free
[23:00] <noizk> It's going to be my distro for the next 4 years
[23:00] <wxl> you could
[23:00] <wxl> but compilation is not necessarily a beginner sport
[23:01] <noizk> Yes.
[23:01] <noizk> one day I'll be good at it though
[23:01] <wxl> try doing linux from scratch
[23:02] <wxl> seriously, you'll learn so much
[23:02] <noizk> I tried last year
[23:02] <noizk> I almost cried for 2 hours after breaking my system lol
[23:02] <wxl> do it in a virtual machine
[23:02] <noizk> Good idea. I'm going to do this next month or during Christmas
[23:02] <wxl> with virtual machines you can take snapshots and if you break something, revert back to them
[23:04] <wxl> i may revert my thinking about this fork of compton but it needs further investigation
[23:05] <noizk> perhaps it has nothing to do with the new version because I did a reboot
[23:06] <wxl> https://github.com/chjj/compton/graphs/code-frequency
[23:06] <wxl> :(
[23:06] <noizk> however I killed compton and restarted before
[23:06] <wxl> upstream *is* looking unmaintained
[23:06] <wxl> plus i see that the fork is providing actual releases, which is a good thing
[23:06] <wxl> if i can get a sense of the stability, that would help a lot
[23:06] <wxl> when they say "development branch" that really makes me concerned
[23:07] <noizk> for what I read the fork is the new thing since the original project is half-dead
[23:07] <wxl> that graph above kind of suggests as such
[23:08] <dabblerdude> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_Latitude#Other_Models
[23:08] <wxl> there are 21 pull requests.. oldest is from 2013.. last commit at all from 2017
[23:08] <noizk> if the fork becomes stable do you believe it's going to be ok ?
[23:08] <dabblerdude> wxl: There were different versions of the D520 that had either a Core Duo, Core 2 Duo, or Celeron CPU by default.
[23:09] <wxl> dabblerdude: IC :/
[23:09] <wxl> noizk: yes
[23:09] <noizk> nice
[23:11] <dabblerdude> wxl: I'll put in a Core 2 in there.
[23:11] <dabblerdude> The chipset supports that.
[23:14] <dabblerdude> wxl: Sorry if I annoyed you, I just saw that you posted that emoji there.
[23:14] <noizk> poor wxl heping two newbies today
[23:15] <noizk> Let's give him a rest :)
[23:22] <dabblerdude> Ok.
[23:54] <wxl> sorry i'm at work so i come and go
[23:55] <jugaad> is there any gui way to change opengl settings ?
[23:57] <jugaad> i have installed e17 desktop using cmd- sudo apt install e17 , installation was done, while switching to the e17 desktop and setting it up, i get only blank screen with a cursor that's it.


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[10:19] <beni> Anybody any idea how I could get my USB devices working with ltspfs on hardy? Floppies work by the way.
[17:11] <RichEd_> stgraber: hello ?
[17:14] <stgraber> RichEd: hi
[17:14] <RichEd> how did the presentation go ?
[17:29] <Nick_M_> @ RichEd : http://eyeedu.org
[17:29] <Nick_M_> Hello, again ;)
[17:29] <RichEd> hi Nick_M_
[17:30] <RichEd> still travelling ... sitting in london hotel now preparing for company sprint tomorrow
[17:30] <RichEd> i'm just busy, not avoiding you :) ... next week life should be more normal
[17:30] <RichEd> (after a 18 hour trip home)
[17:30] <Nick_M_> Ahh, well sorry for the bothers then
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[21:15] <edenadmin> Hi we were having problems logging into edubuntu after an upgrade to Hardy - user not recognised at login screen. ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-image changed the problem to fail at busybox with mount errors visible on the console (ctl-alt-f1). This is like "http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=686966&highlight=ltsp+busybox" - see the edenlab post at the end. Any ideas?
[21:27] <edenadmin> Please help


[01:26] <head_victim> jea: any idea where we log the bug against empathy to get it showing completed? Is it against empathy itself or against the translation team?
[01:31] <jea> I am not entirely sure, but I think the translation team would be best. They can always move it to empathy if it is in the wrong place
[01:33] <head_victim> Actually, wouldn't the translation team just put it back on us?
[01:34] <jea> Do you mean the enAU translation team, or translations in general?
[01:37] <head_victim> Actually bug 128324 seems to fit
[01:38] <head_victim> Even better, bug 503421 already mentions the string in question
[01:39] <jea> it is good it has been raised already, but bad it is still a work in progress
[01:41] <jea> it seems like nobody really wants to take responsibility to fix it
[01:41] <head_victim> You haven't come across any other packages like this in enAU?
[01:42] <jea> There were two from memory - empathy and one other
[01:43] <jea> I'll look it up now
[01:43] <jea> empathy and evolution are the two
[01:44] <head_victim> I'll finish up evolutino then
[01:44] <head_victim> So I can link to it and show the rest is translated
[01:45] <jea> Ok
[01:49] <head_victim> Getting timeout errors :/
[01:49] <jea> i had a few earlier also. they seem to be more common over the past few months
[01:51] <head_victim> Ok, giving up on batches of 50.
[01:51] <head_victim> Third strike.
[01:51] <jea> i had to resort to 10 a couple of weeks ago
[01:56] <head_victim> Hah just about made trash a kiwi translation "rubbish bun".
[01:56] <jea> That would be funny to see
[01:57] <head_victim> We had some German students in our classes with a heavily accented Kiwi as well. We were doing a group marketing plan and the Germans had so much trouble understanding the Kiwi.
[02:00] <jea> Accents often cause issues like that. I have a hard time understanding one of my group members, because his english is not that great, and he speaks very quickly and softly
[02:01] <head_victim> The Germans were good at researching and preparing findings as they were essentially finished their Master's already. So we got them to do that and we'd just tidy up their use of language.
[02:01] <head_victim> We don't have as many international students as I expected though really.
[02:02] <jea> I think we have a few in Engineering, which is understandable
[02:02] <jea> It is nice when the group works out well
[02:03] <head_victim> I expected more for the MBA, but apparently a lot of private firms run MBA programs these days catered to international students. So the universities don't get as many.
[02:05] <jea> oh, ok. didn't realise that
[02:24] <head_victim> Alrighty
[02:24] <head_victim> Just updated the bug report with the strings
[02:24] <head_victim> I gotta run :)
[02:25] <jea> ok. see you later
[10:24] <ScottHarrison> does anyone here attend the LUV meetings at Trinity College in Melbourne?
[10:26] <jea> I am up in Brisbane, so not much use with that
[10:42] <head_victim> ScottHarrison: I'm in Brisbane as well but I konw there is a #LUV channel that might have a few more people that go
[10:43] <ScottHarrison> thanks