[12:04] <Zerlinna> good night
[12:07] <kwwii> Riddell: we have a statement in german for the linuxtag with pics, wanna put an english translation on .org?
[12:08] <kwwii> http://user.uni-frankfurt.de/~waeckerl/kmark.jpg
[12:08] <kwwii> that is one handsome looking man :-)
[12:10] <Riddell> kwwii: sure
[12:11] <raphink> kwwii: great pic
[12:11] <raphink> can't you have a bit more of the K ?
[12:11] <kwwii> http://www.flickr.com/photos/foobarbaz/141521711/
[12:12] <kwwii> he looks like superman
[12:12] <raphink> great
[12:12] <raphink> :)
[12:12] <kwwii> next comes the cape
[12:12] <kwwii> oh, that is not mine
[12:12] <raphink> ok
[12:12] <kwwii> I did not have my camera at the convention
[12:12] <raphink> mhm
[12:12] <kwwii> which reminds me to cut the video
[12:12] <OdyX> raphink: why ?
[12:13] <OdyX> raphink: don't liek Yahoo ?
[12:14] <raphink> wow
[12:14] <raphink> great message in minicli
[12:15] <raphink> KMessageBox::error( this, i18n("You do not exist.\n"));
[12:15] <raphink> lol
[12:15] <raphink> I love this error message
[12:20] <allee> raphink: su.cpp is a c++ file and m_User sounds like a member.  Is == overloaded in the class of m_User? If not you compare two memory addresses.
[12:21] <raphink> hmmm
[12:21] <raphink> well what I do is
[12:21] <raphink> if ( m_User == "root" ) {
[12:21] <raphink> superUserCommand = "su";
[12:21] <raphink> }
[12:21] <raphink> but then it seems it considers this is always the case
[12:21] <raphink> and I end up running su all the time with kdesu
[12:21] <raphink> at least now I can run as foo
[12:22] <raphink> but I can't use sudo anymore ;)
[12:24] <raphink> but then I wonder what the if ((m_Scheduler != SchedNormal) || (m_Priority > 50)) tests
[12:24] <raphink> any idea allee?
[12:24] <allee> add after the if { } test:   kdDebug() << m_User << ", " << superUserCommand << endl;
[12:25] <raphink> huh?
[12:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: uploaded
[12:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks
[12:26] <raphink> what is << for in c++ anyway?
[12:26] <raphink> :s
[12:26] <allee> raphink: no idea what Scheduler and Priority is
[12:26] <Riddell> raphink: bitshift
[12:26] <Lure> stream (like pipe in shell)
[12:26] <raphink> ah ok
[12:26] <raphink> in the same direction than | in shell ?
[12:26] <allee> raphink: afair, yes  << is overloaded
[12:26] <Lure> you pass m_user to kdDebug
[12:26] <Riddell> it often gets overloaded to mean sending a string to a pipe type class.  c++ is horrible like that
[12:26] <raphink> so it's the other direction
[12:26] <raphink> from right to left
[12:27] <allee> raphink: no you feed it into the object.  therefore the direction to kdDebug()
[12:27] <Lure> raphink: you can read that line as printing out m_User, followed by ", " followed by superUserCommand, followed by newline (endl)
[12:28] <raphink> ok
[12:28] <raphink> if the debug flag is on that is
[12:28] <raphink> so this is to trace the values of m_User and superUserCommand at this time
[12:28] <raphink> but I have to build kdelibs for 1 hour again to see the trace :(
[12:29] <crimsun> raphink: you want ccache.
[12:29] <allee> raphink: as long as configure is not called with --disable-debug you should get output
[12:29] <raphink> crimsun: what is that?
[12:29] <crimsun> raphink: install it and weep.
[12:29] <raphink> hmmm how do you mean?
[12:29] <allee> raphink: debuild -nc   # <- no clean and not configure run
[12:29] <raphink> ah
[12:30] <raphink> is that for the local dir or for the whole package ?
[12:30] <allee> raphink: these kdDebug() is 90% of my c++ knowledge ;)
[12:30] <raphink> allee: haha
[12:30] <crimsun> debuild would be for the source package; ccache would be for anything.
[12:30] <allee> raphink: whole pkg
[12:30] <allee> raphink: but ...
[12:30] <allee> make
[12:30] <raphink> allee: then it'll take 1 hours still
[12:31] <crimsun> (where anything is the subset of stuff that requires gcc or g++)
[12:31] <raphink> crimsun: ah, so I'd just type ccache to build
[12:31] <allee> cp kdesu to install dir may work too
[12:31] <crimsun> raphink: it takes a bit more configuration than that
[12:31] <raphink> hmm
[12:31] <raphink> it has to build though
[12:31] <raphink> and typing make in the current dir won't build it
[12:31] <crimsun> it maintains hashes of object code; if they match, no need to recompile
[12:31] <raphink> ah
[12:32] <allee> raphink: if no clean is run before -nc  does  make and make install then create pkg, so only recreating kdesu binary
[12:34] <raphink> I'll try something else
[12:34] <raphink> hehe
[12:35] <raphink> not sure of what I'm doing but it might work
[12:35] <raphink> and then I'm learning :)
[12:35] <raphink> and I love that :)
[12:38] <raphink> good night Lure
[12:38] <Lure> good luck raphink ;-)
[12:38] <allee> Anyone feels like testing digikam: downloading a digikam deb and 3 pictures?
[12:39] <raphink> thanks Lure
[12:39] <raphink> not right now allee
[12:39] <raphink> but when I'm building sure
[12:39] <allee> okay uploading ...
[12:40] <Tonio_> nite guys :)
[12:40] <allee> nite
[12:41] <Tonio_> raphink: demain faut qu'on parle de ce qu'on a dit
[12:41] <raphink> ah oui
[12:41] <Tonio_> on a pas beaucoup de temps pour faire entrer des modifs
[12:41] <raphink> je suis sr que je suis prt de rgler ce run as foo
[12:41] <Tonio_> c coule :)
[12:43] <allee> raphink: you can test an i386 deb or should I upload source?
[12:43] <raphink> source
[12:43] <raphink> my i386 server is busy building
[12:43] <raphink> so I'm on the ppc
[12:44] <raphink> since the other i386 I have here are still running breezy
[12:46] <allee> raphink: http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/argl/
[12:47] <allee> raphink: copy pictures of fake-camera into an empty dir.  Add a 'Mounted Camera' with the path to dir that contains the dir
[12:49] <allee> raphink: then download the pics.  Check in Properties dialog if 'EXIF' data of the pics in (hopefully not) empty
[12:49] <allee> s/in/is/
[12:49] <raphink> do I have to build the packages ?
[12:49] <raphink> or should I test with current digikam ?
[12:49] <allee> raphink: you wanted the source, so you have to build it ;)
[12:50] <allee> raphink: yes you can test with current digikam too.  In this case EXIF data will be lost after download.
[12:50] <raphink> sure
[12:50] <raphink> ah
[12:50] <raphink> well let's see if I understand what you mean
[12:50] <raphink> I copy your pics into an empty dir on my HD
[12:50] <allee> raphink: yes
[12:50] <raphink> I open digikam
[12:51] <raphink> and use this dir as a fake already mounted cam
[12:51] <allee> yes
[12:51] <raphink> so it will think it's downloading from it
[12:51] <allee> yes
[12:51] <raphink> hmmw
[12:51] <raphink> where do I add a camera this way?
[12:51] <allee> In the list in 'add camera' search 'Mounted camera' asmodel
[12:52] <allee> camera -> add camera -> new
[12:52] <allee> s/new/Add .../
[12:53] <raphink> found
[12:53] <raphink> ok
[12:53] <raphink> so I downloaded them
[12:53] <raphink> now what?
[12:54] <allee> RMB -> Properties, EXIF tab
[12:54] <raphink> I have no EFIX
[12:54] <raphink> no exif infos for these pics
[12:54] <raphink> :)
[12:54] <raphink> but I have them in konqueror
[12:54] <raphink> so ok
[12:54] <raphink> now I'm supposed to build the new package
[12:54] <allee> ah, this is expected with digikam from dapper
[12:54] <raphink> and test again
[12:54] <raphink> :)
[12:55] <raphink> right?
[12:55] <raphink> :)
[12:55] <allee> raphink: right
[12:55] <raphink> ok
[12:55] <raphink> let me update my pbuilder
[12:55] <raphink> then build :)
[12:58] <raphink> let's build now :)
[01:09] <poimen> what is the diference in the flight releases and the beta LTS ???
[01:10] <raphink> allee: still building if you wonder
[01:11] <allee> :)
[01:13] <OdyX> poimen: 2 weeks.
[01:14] <poimen> ok
[01:30] <kwwii> night all - time for sleep
[01:30] <raphink> bye kwwii
[01:37] <raphink> allee: still doesn't work it seems
[01:38] <allee> raphink: thx for trying.  So it's not my just system :(
[01:38] <raphink> sorry :(
[01:38] <raphink> I hope my fix for kdelibs will work
[01:38] <raphink> otherwise I'll have to wipe with you
[01:39] <raphink> updating now
[01:41] <raphink> argh
[01:41] <raphink> doesn't work
[01:42] <raphink> so not the right place to replace it
[01:42] <raphink> I'll keep tracking tomorrow
[01:42] <raphink> I'm sure I'm pretty much done fixing it
[10:17] <kwwii> can anyone play this movie?
[10:17] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/kubuntuAtLinuxTag2006.mov
[10:17] <kwwii> 65MB beware
[10:26] <\sh> not right now :(
[10:26] <\sh> moins kwwii btw :)
[10:26] <kasina> hi kwii. Its can open with Quicktime (Mac or on Windows)
[10:27] <kwwii> kasina: I hoped that the qt for linux stuff would work, or at least mplayer :-)
[10:27] <kwwii> it is mp4 video and audio
[10:28] <kwwii> \sh: howdy
[10:28] <kwwii> :-9
[10:28] <kwwii> erm, I am still waking up :-)
[10:30] <kasina> kwii: I doubt it. I tried before with such file formats but they failed to work on my Linux.
[10:33] <kwwii> kasina: yeah, that is what I am afraid of
[10:35] <kasina> Kwii: I'm interested in writing a coded for it, coz I'd also love to use files with such formats, but not soon though. My hands are full at the moment
[10:35] <kasina> "codec" not coded :)
[10:35] <kwwii> :-)
[10:35] <kwwii> actually, it plays on my mplayer
[10:36] <OdyXydO> kwwii but kaffeine gives error due to http plugin?
[10:37] <kasina> Does it? :/
[10:37] <kasina> I tried but it failed back then
[10:38] <freeflying> kwwii:  nice
[10:39] <kwwii> looking at that video makes me want to do it all again :-) It really was a great time there....the perfect group of people, we all had fun I think
[10:39] <pygi> Riddell: ping
[10:46] <OdyXydO> kwwii: I can try to make a Ogg-Theora-Vorbis version if you want..
[10:47] <_pradeepto> sorry got disconnected. But can anybody help me with a nice Kubuntu logo and such.
[10:47] <OdyXydO> _pradeepto: I made Kubuntu-fr version. What do you need ?
[10:48] <_pradeepto> OdyXydO: a simple Kubuntu logo thats all. One that can be used for printing stickers.
[10:48] <OdyXydO> _pradeepto: Riddel has one, wait, I find it.
[10:48] <_pradeepto> :)
[10:49] <OdyXydO> http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-dapper.svg <- SVG version.
[10:49] <kwwii> OdyXydO: that would be cool, what do you need as an input file?
[10:50] <OdyXydO> kwwii: I can try with that one, but plain mpeg is lot better.
[10:50] <kwwii> erm, you guys should get the newest version of the logo to print
[10:50] <OdyXydO> kwwii: isn't it that one the new ?
[10:50] <_pradeepto> OdyXydO: thanks.
[10:50] <kwwii> OdyXydO: I'll export a photo-jpeg if you want - that works everywhere, but the file size will be pretty big
[10:51] <kwwii> OdyX: I doub tit
[10:51] <OdyX> kwwii: let me first try with that one...
[10:51] <_pradeepto> kwwii: sorry to ask this but aren't you Ken? :)
[10:52] <kwwii> _pradeepto: yepp :-)
[10:52] <kwwii> hi
[10:52] <_pradeepto> kwwii: hey there
[10:52] <kwwii> that is the newest version for onscreen stuff, but for print stuff there is a better one
[10:52] <kwwii> I made that one in london
[10:52] <kwwii> and canonical has changed the colors a bit since then
[10:52] <_pradeepto> ah ok
[10:53] <_pradeepto> so any chance I can lay my hands on the,
[10:53] <kwwii> where are you printing it?
[10:53] <kwwii> t-shirt, sticker, etc, I mean
[10:53] <_pradeepto> I guess I will do it here locally or something.
[10:53] <_pradeepto> t-shirt ofcourse I got it done locally.
[10:54] <kwwii> so it will go on a t-shirt and a sticker?
[10:54] <_pradeepto> for now stickers and kwwii please please dont give me t-shirt ideas ;)
[10:54] <kwwii> hehe :-)
[10:54] <kwwii> I'd just have more work to do!
[10:55] <_pradeepto> heh
[10:55] <_pradeepto> kwwii: honestly during those days when I was fighting for t-shirt and all, you know what,
[10:55] <_pradeepto> the first sample t-shirt had your design on the front and kubutu logo in the back :)
[10:55] <kwwii> :-)
[10:55] <_pradeepto> your *first* design
[10:56] <OdyX> kwwii: I re-wrote yours entirely in SVG, for kubuntu-fr: http://didier.raboud.com/share/artwork
[10:56] <_pradeepto> kwwii: there's just one copy of that tee in the whole planet :)
[10:56] <kwwii> _pradeepto: lol
[10:57] <_pradeepto> OdyX: nice :)
[10:57] <kwwii> OdyX: why did you redo it? (no bad feelings or anything, just a question)
[10:57] <OdyX> well.. yours was not in "text"... in mine, you can type whatever you want, you will get the effect....
[10:58] <OdyX> So.. perfect for other communities.. making -de is 2mins...
[10:58] <kwwii> OdyX: yeah, but you cannot really type anything cause that font is pretty shitty
[10:58] <OdyX> kwwii: well.. sure.
[10:58] <OdyX> no big letters, have to modify if you use "y"
[10:59] <OdyX> but....welll.. for our use, it is fine ;D
[10:59] <kwwii> :-)
[11:01] <pradeepto> kwwii: any chance I can get the artwork you made in London?
[11:02] <kwwii> pradeepto: well, pretty much all of it is already available or in kubuntu
[11:02] <kwwii> pradeepto: that logo from riddell is the one I made in london
[11:02] <pradeepto> ahh
[11:02] <OdyX> kwwii: what is the original format of the video ?
[11:03] <pradeepto> kwwii: so can I not find some that is there on my dapper box or use the one OdyX gave me? Those are good for printing right?
[11:03] <kwwii> OdyX: well, I shot it in DV
[11:03] <OdyX> kwwii: well... then it's easy ;-)
[11:03] <kwwii> OdyX: what format do you want?
[11:03] <kwwii> DV might be kinda big
[11:03] <OdyX> converting from quicktime is a piece of sh**
[11:03] <kwwii> yeah, I kinda guessed that
[11:03] <OdyX> kwwii: well.. convertion is really a command line... :D
[11:04] <OdyX> kwwii: if you have good proc, it won't take too much time...
[11:04] <kwwii> OdyX: yeah, I could do that too, I am just too lazy to use mencoder
[11:04] <OdyX> kwwii: I will find you the command lines
[11:04] <pradeepto> hmm is there another LT video other than that I found on Riddell's page or something?
[11:04] <kwwii> OdyX: ok, deal
[11:04] <OdyX> (ffmpeg2theora, not mencoder) ;D
[11:04] <kwwii> ok, I even have ffmpeg on my mac :-)
[11:05] <kwwii> but I'll do this in linux anyway
[11:05] <OdyX> kwwii: it's special paquage...
[11:05] <OdyX> not plain ffmpeg
[11:05] <kwwii> ahhh
[11:05] <OdyX> install ffmpeg2theora
[11:05] <kwwii> ok
[11:05] <kwwii> first I will export this clip as DV and then reboot :-)
[11:06] <OdyX> kwwii: in fact, just type ffmpeg2theora... the script is really easy to use.
[11:08] <kasina> I'd wish to start contributing to Kubuntu - I'm based in Kenya, Africa and just wanted to know what the process is. :) Some guidance
[11:10] <kwwii> kasina: well, it is really simple...find something that needs fixing and fix it :-)
[11:10] <OdyX> kasina: ever walked through https://launchpad.net ?
[11:12] <kasina> not yet
[11:12] <kasina> Let me check it out
[11:13] <kasina> Actually I had some long time back in the first Kubuntu release. Then I got into some projects that hardly gave me any time for contribution.
[11:14] <kwwii> Riddell: how do you want to work on the installer UI stuff?
[11:14] <kwwii> Riddell: should I make mockups? can you tell me any limitations, etc.?
[11:43] <Riddell> kwwii: no paticular limitations that I can think of
[11:43] <Riddell> this is the UI file http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/bzr/ubiquity/ubuntu/ubiquity/frontend/liveinstaller.ui
[11:57] <kwwii> Riddell: cool. thanks
[11:58] <Riddell> my summer of code t-shirt came!
[11:58] <abattoir_> Riddell: for being a mentor?
[11:59] <abattoir_> or was it from last year?
[11:59] <Riddell> yes, from last year
[11:59] <pradeepto> and you got that now
[12:00] <pradeepto> Riddell: and yesterday they were discussion effeciency at G on #kde-devel , I think ;)
[12:00] <Tm_T> haha
[12:00] <abattoir_> hello Tm_T :)
[12:00] <Tm_T> abattoir_: well, hello :)
[12:58] <MidMark> Hi, Riddell I've problem with ubiquity in flight-7
[12:59] <MidMark> could you help me?
[12:59] <MidMark> probably some bugs
[01:00] <Riddell> MidMark: what's up?
[01:01] <MidMark> Riddell: I've run live-cd with flight-7 on an old pc, only keyboard, no mouse
[01:01] <MidMark> ages to run bot ok it runs
[01:02] <MidMark> then: click on install icon, choose next, choose Italian (yes I'm ITA)
[01:02] <MidMark> and the first bug in my op: only Welcome translated in italian, instructions remains in ENG
[01:02] <MidMark> then loads step 3, but it freeze
[01:03] <MidMark> ctrl-alt-F2 not working
[01:04] <MidMark> the cd-rom light is always on, the rest is all freeze
[01:06] <MidMark> don't know if the cd-rom is burned ok, it's the first time I used it, but I think freeze is abnormal
[01:07] <MidMark> Riddell: is there something I can do to provide more informations?
[01:13] <insanekane> is flight 7 out ?
[01:13] <kwwii> yepp
[01:13] <kwwii> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-7/
[01:13] <insanekane> damn me!
[01:13] <insanekane> i just finished the flight-6 download :P
[01:13] <insanekane> of course, having a flight-7 is a good thing :)
[01:14] <Riddell> MidMark: does stage three get loaded or does it freeze before that?
[01:14] <MidMark> Riddell: before that
[01:14] <MidMark> during loading step 3
[01:16] <Riddell> MidMark: i386 PC?
[01:16] <MidMark> Riddell: it a P3-450, 192 ram, riva tnt2 16 mb, 6,4+8,4 GB hdd
[01:20] <MidMark> mobo: Soyo i440bx2, sound: creatice PCI 128
[01:22] <Riddell> I wonder if it ran out of memory
[01:22] <Riddell> MidMark: can you kill it and try again?
[01:22] <Riddell> you'll also need to kill any debconf process going on
[01:23] <MidMark> I cannot kill it, it all freeze, I can reboot
[01:23] <MidMark> I can reboot and starts ubiquity from a console...
[01:24] <MidMark> probably show more infos
[01:24] <Riddell> yeah please
[01:24] <MidMark> ok, ubiquity is correct to start it?
[01:24] <Riddell> could well be an our of memory thing, we've had that before
[01:25] <Riddell> kdesu ubiquity kde-ui
[01:26] <MidMark> Riddell: during loading, but dma is always off in cd-rom and hard disk? It takes looong time to boot
[01:33] <Riddell> _Sime, sebas: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/soc2.png
[01:37] <Riddell> Add/Remove programs:
[01:37] <Riddell> [01:37] <Riddell> If you cancel a started download and install, you get a message
[01:37] <Riddell> "Application installed successfully!"
[01:37] <Riddell> mornfall: ^^  spotted in an e-mail to kubuntu-devel list
[01:38] <mornfall> Riddell: yeah, probably so... but, ui freeze?
[01:39] <Riddell> that's a bug, fixing it doesn't go against UI freeze so long as it can be done without adding a new string somehow
[01:39] <mornfall> well, but how?
[01:40] <Riddell> don't display any dialogue?  the person has already clicked cancel so should know what the result is
[01:40] <mornfall> hmm, jump straight back to selection?
[01:40] <mornfall> could do
[01:40] <MidMark> how can open a console without mouse? KDE is unusable without it
[01:41] <mornfall> good thing i didn't make the tarballs yesterday :p
[01:41] <Riddell> MidMark: alt+space
[01:41] <Riddell> konsole
[01:41] <Tm_T> done
[01:41] <Tm_T> or alt+f2 (?) and konsole
[01:41] <Tm_T> win+r here
[01:43] <Riddell> MidMark: you may also want to do `tail -f /var/log/syslog &`
[01:44] <MidMark> ah... I can open another konsole and do that
[01:44] <MidMark> how can I move windows without mouse?
[01:45] <Tm_T> like now in desktop 1 (from 8) I have 4 different terminal programs running err, 10 bash sessions
[01:45] <Tm_T> MidMark: whoo, enable keyboard mouse?
[01:46] <MidMark> tmt: how?
[01:47] <Tm_T> hummm
[01:47] <MidMark> it doesn't matter, I switch with alt+tab
[01:47] <MidMark> ok starting ubiquity...
[01:48] <Riddell> basse wants to know if we want more konqi graphics
[01:48] <Tm_T> MidMark: it can be enabled in kcontrol -> peripherals -> mouse
[01:51] <OdyX> Riddell: is there somebody still taking care of Breezy and older versions? (Bugs & Co) I see a lot of Breezy bugs, but nobody to confirm or manage?
[01:53] <Riddell> OdyX: if the bug is fixed in dapper then mark it as fixed released, breezy is long since released it doesn't get changes
[01:54] <OdyX> Riddell: so bugs in Breezy are not meant to be fixed ?
[01:54] <Riddell> OdyX: it's about 6 months too late for that :)
[01:54] <OdyX> Riddell: OK. Did not understand it correctly.
[01:55] <Tm_T> bug 31768
[01:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 31768 in k3b "Dapper:  k3b ignores manually set burn speed" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31768
[01:55] <Tm_T> OdyX: I'll check
[01:55] <Tm_T> just have to find something to burn
[01:56] <MidMark> freeze again, I can make a photo :/
[01:57] <Tm_T> OdyX: I found arson somewhat good burner
[01:57] <OdyX> arson ?
[01:57] <Tm_T> yes
[01:57] <OdyX> instead of k3b ?
[01:57] <Tm_T> yes, it's very simple, so it doesn't totally replace it
[01:57] <Tm_T> but if you just have to burn image... :)
[01:58] <OdyX> well.. Images and backups ;-)
[01:58] <Tm_T> yeah
[01:58] <OdyX> Tm_T: some burn:/ protocol is missing in Konqui...
[01:58] <Tm_T> ...hey! you criminal!
[01:58] <OdyX> Tm_T: ????
[01:58] <Tm_T> OdyX: ont when you do the kioslave ;-P
[01:58] <Tm_T> s/ont/not/
[01:59] <OdyX> Tm_T: hum... Well.... Not now ;-)
[01:59] <Tm_T> hehe
[01:59] <Tm_T> OdyX: later today?
[01:59] <OdyX> well later that decade?
[01:59] <Tm_T> ;(
[02:00] <kwwii> does the live installer always take so long to start?
[02:01] <OdyX> kwwii: as long as Breezy's ?
[02:02] <OdyX> I don't think...
[02:02] <mornfall> going back to office
[02:02] <Tm_T> mornfall: K-office? ;)
[02:03] <OdyX> Tm_T: could you explain me Ridel's explanation above? After the release, the bugs are note supposed to be fixed?
[02:04] <Tm_T> ?
[02:04] <MidMark> Midmark: this is a screenshot after freeze -> http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p50900017ag.jpg
[02:04] <MidMark> wnat to say Riddell :p
[02:04] <Tm_T> OdyX: no, "fix released" if there's fix released, whatever it's dapper or not ;-P
[02:05] <OdyX> Tm_T: but "fix released", means the guy has to go on Dapper, huh =
[02:05] <OdyX> ?
[02:05] <Tm_T> OdyX: yes
[02:05] <Tm_T> OdyX: not "fixed" but "fix released"
[02:06] <Riddell> MidMark: and it freezes when you click the "Next" button?
[02:06] <OdyX> Tm_T: OK. Then it's backport team's work ?
[02:06] <MidMark> Riddell: exactly it freeze about 4-5 seconds after I click next to go from step 2 to 3
[02:06] <Tm_T> OdyX: possibly
[02:07] <OdyX> Tm_T: Thanks. I will go on to close some bugs then ;-)
[02:07] <Tm_T> OdyX: heh
[02:07] <Tm_T> OdyX: ok, I check that k3b issue now
[02:07] <OdyX> Tm_T: Fine..
[02:08] <OdyX> Tm_T: as you are on it.. try bug 31950
[02:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 31950 in k3b "Dapper:  k3b tries to burn DVD with file size exactly 2**32, doesn't warn, fails" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31950
[02:09] <MidMark> Riddell: if you want I can fill a bug for this
[02:10] <MidMark> Riddell: or try the cd-rom on my pc to see if it is an hardware problem
[02:10] <Tm_T> OdyX: I have nothing to burn to dvd
[02:11] <Tm_T> OdyX: btw looks like here it burns happily at 40x as it should
[02:11] <OdyX> Tm_T: and slowing speed ?
[02:11] <Tm_T> nope
[02:11] <OdyX> Tm_T: that's the bug, no ?
[02:12] <Tm_T> real speed is between 30x and 42x
[02:12] <OdyX> Tm_T: just one more detail... There is no state "Fixed" ...
[02:12] <Tm_T> :o
[02:12] <Tm_T> well, I don't really know =)
[02:13] <Riddell> MidMark: both would be good
[02:13] <Riddell> MidMark: you could also try a different language, although I doubt that's what the problem is
[02:13] <MidMark> Riddell: now I'm trying with my mouse, after I can try with my pc
[02:14] <OdyX> for example, bug 31001. It seems solved in Dapper, but dunno for Breezy. What should be done? Changing to "Fix Released" or/and noting it for Brrezy (I dunno howto) ?
[02:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 31001 in kdebase "Cannot switch keyboard variants as easily as keyboard layouts." [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31001
[02:14] <MidMark> Riddell: the problem is in my pc I don't want to install it yet
[02:14] <MidMark> and I have a fakeraid installed now
[02:14] <MidMark> :(
[02:15] <Tm_T> OdyX: hum, I commented that bug
[02:15] <Riddell> MidMark: just going to the third page won't touch your PC
[02:16] <Tm_T> agh! I'm always mistyping in bug reports
[02:17] <MidMark> Riddell: ok, I'll report when done
[02:17] <Riddell> MidMark: thanks, much appreciated
[02:18] <MidMark> Riddell: I'm trying to report as bug as I can... Kubuntu will be my default OS
[02:20] <Riddell> raphink: do you have a floppy drive?
[02:21] <Riddell> or anyone else fancy looking at the media floppy fixes?
[02:22] <MidMark> Riddell: which bug?
[02:25] <OdyX> Riddell & MidMark: bug 30207
[02:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30207 in kdebase "media:/ does not handle floppy mounting correctly" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30207
[02:25] <raphink> Riddell: nope I don't
[02:25] <raphink> well I have a USB floppy drive, recognized as sda1 ;)
[02:25] <Riddell> nah, this is a floppy issue only
[02:26] <raphink> ok
[02:26] <Riddell> MidMark: do you have a floppy drive and a desire to try fishing out some patches to fix that problem?
[02:26] <raphink> I have had no floppy for years
[02:26] <raphink> sorry
[02:26] <Lathiat> i have a usb floppy
[02:26] <Lathiat> ah, doesnt help
[02:26] <Riddell> I have a drive here, but no disks
[02:26] <raphink> huhu
[02:26] <Riddell> Lathiat: it might do, give it a shot and see if you get that bug
[02:26] <raphink> I have disks
[02:26] <raphink> but no drive
[02:27] <Lathiat> whats the bug?
[02:27] <Lathiat> ah
[02:27] <Lathiat> hrm i dont have kubuntu on this machine atm
[02:27] <Lathiat> hah
[02:27] <Lathiat> i'l grab fl7 and install it
[02:27] <Tm_T> Riddell: what's problem with floppies?
[02:27] <MidMark> Riddell: I have floppy but can only run flight-7 live cd
[02:27] <Tm_T> I used my floppy drive just some time ago
[02:27] <MidMark> Riddell: ubiquity-> with english and my mouse NOT freezing
[02:27] <Riddell> Tm_T: media:/ doesn't work
[02:27] <Riddell> MidMark: interesting
[02:28] <Tm_T> Riddell: ah, I'll look at it
[02:28] <Riddell> MidMark: so question is whether the mouse or the italian is At fault
[02:28] <MidMark> now if I close ubiquity and reopen it, I can choose ita and A mouse ok?
[02:29] <Riddell> yes
[02:29] <Tm_T> Riddell: ah yes, this problem, now I remember why I did copy and all in bash =)
[02:30] <Tm_T> Riddell: test fix in kde bug report?
[02:30] <Riddell> Tm_T: it's in http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/coolos_media/mediamanager/
[02:30] <Riddell> looks like you need the recent changes to halbackend.cpp and halbackend.h
[02:31] <Tm_T> hum
[02:32] <kwwii> so either something is wrong with the CD burned or the ppc install is b0rked :-)
[02:32] <Tm_T> Riddell: hum, so I compile and install that or just take that latest change and try to put it to kdebase?
[02:34] <Riddell> Tm_T: get the diff out of websvn, apt-get source kdebase, apply diff, compile and see if it works
[02:34] <Riddell> then package it properly (diff in debian/patches, changelog) and send me debdiff
[02:35] <Tm_T> Riddell: aye sir :)
[02:36] <Riddell> Tm_T: thanks :)
[02:37] <MidMark> riddell: it freeze with ita and a mouse
[02:37] <MidMark> don't know if the ita package is broken on my cd
[02:38] <MidMark> someone could go to step 3 in live-flight-7 with ITA to confirm it?
[02:40] <Riddell> MidMark: I'll try it later today
[02:40] <MidMark> Riddell: ok so I wait for a bugreport^
[02:42] <Riddell> MidMark: in the mean time feel free to try and complete an install in english, see what other problems you can find
[02:43] <MidMark> Riddell: if I have time I'll do, but often localized OSes has >= than default-lang
[02:43] <MidMark> >= bugs I mean
[02:44] <MidMark> now I have to go to the bank to pay my new TFT, good work!
[02:47] <Riddell> kwwii: can I put you down on the suggested people to invite to the ubuntu developer summit?
[02:47] <Riddell> june 18th to 24th, Paris
[02:47] <kwwii> Riddell: definitely :-)
[03:08] <OdyX> Riddell: konversation will be added in Rosetta as every other KDE program, no ?
[03:09] <Riddell> OdyX: yes, I need to fix it today, along with some others https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MissingPotFiles
[03:09] <OdyX> Riddell: just a zh_CN wondering why not in Chinese.
[03:10] <OdyX> I comment and change the bug to "Work in Progress" ?
[03:11] <Riddell> OdyX: where?
[03:12] <OdyX> Riddell: just closed the tab. Wait
[03:25] <OdyX> Riddell: bug 32939
[03:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32939 in konversation "konversation does not appear internationalized" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32939
[03:26] <Riddell> thanks
[03:26] <Riddell> it's next on my todo list
[03:27] <OdyX> ;-) My TodoList is to get rid of 3000 "unconfirmed" ;-D
[03:27] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:27] <Hobbsee> good luck OdyX :)
[03:27] <Riddell> OdyX: you rock :)
[03:27] <OdyX> well... I just take Kde's ;D
[03:29] <freeflying> Riddell: hi
[03:30] <Riddell> hi freeflying
[03:31] <mornfall> Hobbsee: so you can spend more time playing minesweeper on an unloaded machine yay!
[03:31] <freeflying> Riddell: how about the update-notifier in kubuntu livecd?
[03:31] <Riddell> freeflying: we need to look at casper and see how it gets disabled in gnome
[03:31] <Hobbsee> mornfall: hehe!
[03:32] <mornfall> Hobbsee: how's your cupboard corpse btw? :)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> no, i've learned NOT to play excessive amounts of minesweeper - RSI from it...
[03:32] <Hobbsee> heh...rotting nicely..
[03:32] <mornfall> good for it
[03:32] <mornfall> right now i'd vote for a dinner and bed
[03:33] <mornfall> shame it's only half past three pm
[03:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:34] <Hobbsee> do my assignment, and i'll go to bed
[03:34] <Hobbsee> !
[03:34] <mornfall> that's very unlikely
[03:34] <mornfall> i can't very well even imagine the probability of all the electrons taking the right jumps to accomplish that
[03:35] <freeflying> Riddell: the scripts http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/191
[03:36] <Hobbsee> mornfall: hehe.  even evil calculus?
[03:36] <mornfall> i suppose 0.1^googleplex is a very big number in comparison
[03:37] <Riddell> "rm /root/etc/xdg/autostart/update-notifier.desktop"  well that's easy :)
[03:37] <Riddell> freeflying: any idea how it gets put back after install?
[03:37] <freeflying> Riddell: no clue
[03:37] <mornfall> postinst?
[03:38] <Riddell> I presume there's another script to add it back
[03:38] <freeflying> Riddell: haven't found any :)
[03:38] <Riddell> hmm, spooky
[03:39] <OdyX> Riddell: for bug 35786, is kaffeine still default ?
[03:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35786 in kdebase "konqueror with kaffeine-xine plugin crashes on certain sites" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35786
[03:40] <freeflying> Riddell: dose espresso copy the mounted dir to hdd, or use the squashfs file?
[03:40] <Riddell> OdyX: kaffeine is no longer default
[03:40] <Riddell> OdyX: but the bug still exists so we can't close it
[03:40] <OdyX> Riddell: OK. I will mention the fact in comments.
[03:40] <Riddell> freeflying: I though it copied the mounted directory but I could be wrong
[03:41] <Riddell> lets ask someone who knows
[03:41] <freeflying> okey, waitting for your confirm, or I'd file bug on it
[03:43] <Riddell> freeflying: can you get a diff of that file to add a line removing the adept-updater autostart too?
[03:43] <freeflying> Riddell: sure
[03:43] <mornfall> updater autostart?
[03:43] <freeflying> mornfall: in livecd
[03:43] <mornfall> you mean notifier?
[03:44] <OdyX> Bye all. Seeya later.
[03:44] <freeflying> OdyX: bye
[03:44] <Riddell> adept-notifier I mean
[04:08] <freeflying> Riddell:  bug 43806
[04:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43806 in casper "kubuntu livecd's update_notifier need been disable" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43806
[04:30] <Riddell> hi yogi q
[04:30] <yogi> Hey-hey, Riddell!  Whassup?
[04:31] <Riddell> word on the streets is that kmail filters aren't working
[04:32] <yogi> Uh-oh... word travels fast. ;-)  Yep... I submitted the bug# 39944 some time back, was given a provisional confirmation & asked for my kmailrc to make certain rules were correct.  Never heard back.
[04:32] <Riddell> I've not had time to look into it
[04:32] <yogi> Fact is, these same rules worked in Breezy & earlier versions of KDE.  Now, they don't.
[04:32] <Riddell> and probably won't be able to today
[04:32] <Riddell> we can poke danimo when we turns up
[04:32] <yogi> Can I send you my kmailrc file for your inspection?
[04:33] <Riddell> yogi: so it's just for your specific rules?
[04:33] <Riddell> yogi: is it attached to the bug?
[04:33] <yogi> Yep... I have several POP rules & other filters ...and none work.  Nope... not attached.  I'll do that.
[04:35] <yogi> It was reported on 4/17, and Rocco Stanzione stated he'd suspected it.  Not quite a confirmation.
[04:41] <MidMark> Riddell: I've done the same thing on my pc, with ITA I can go to step 3
[04:41] <MidMark> so now I cannot know what is the problem
[04:41] <MidMark> ram?
[04:44] <yogi> Riddell:I don't want to be a PITA ...however, the fact that they do not work is *definitely* a PITA. :-\ The file is attached ...and I found that I had already copied/pasted.  You got two copies. ;-)
[04:44] <Riddell> how much memory does  your PC have MidMark ?
[04:45] <Riddell> yogi: yes, it's an important bug I agree
[04:45] <MidMark> the PC that freeze with ITA and not with ENG -> 192 MB
[04:45] <MidMark> my PC that doesn't freeze -> 1 GB
[04:45] <yogi> Riddell:It'd be great if this was fixed b-4 the release date. :-)  Good luck!! ...and Thanks!!!
[04:45] <yogi> bye...
[04:46] <Riddell> MidMark: and you've ruled out it being the mouse?
[04:46] <MidMark> yes the mouse doesn't change things, the last thing I can do is trying the burner instead reader...
[04:46] <MidMark> to read the CD
[04:47] <Riddell> so probably memory :(
[04:47] <Riddell> MidMark: can you try it with the gtk frontend?
[04:47] <MidMark> Riddell: I have to download the ubuntu cd?
[04:47] <Riddell> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubiqiuty-frontend-gtk && kdesu ubiquity gtk
[04:48] <Riddell> no, kubuntu cd will be fine, unless it runs out of "disk" space
[04:48] <MidMark> that it's all in ram isn't?
[04:48] <Riddell> s/gtk/gtkui/
[04:49] <MidMark> but can I see the ram during loading step 3? Is reliable?
[04:51] <Riddell> df -h .  possibly
[04:52] <MidMark> Riddell: point me to the packages to download manually, I haven't internet on the other pc, so I can use usb
[04:53] <Riddell> probably can't do it then, it'll need a tonne of gtk dependencies
[04:53] <MidMark> mmm so df -h?
[04:54] <Riddell> df -h .  will say how much "disk" space you have
[04:55] <MidMark> not ram?
[04:58] <Riddell> on a live CD they're much the same thing
[04:58] <Riddell> free  gives memory
[04:59] <MidMark> to auto-update df-h ?
[05:00] <Riddell> I don't follow
[05:01] <MidMark> there is "tail" for df -h ?
[05:01] <Riddell> could try watch
[05:01] <MidMark> that update it before freeze
[05:01] <Riddell> `watch df -h .`
[05:01] <MidMark> ok
[05:10] <mornfall> watch is generally useful utility ;)
[05:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks, i was looking for that!
[05:13] <MidMark> I have to see to / ?
[05:13] <MidMark> or which line in df -h ?
[05:14] <Riddell> MidMark: add a "."
[05:14] <MidMark> ok
[05:19] <MidMark> damn! I haven't enough time to alt-tab to konsole that was under ubiquity... and it freeze!
[05:19] <MidMark> the pc is too slow!
[05:20] <MidMark> before click to step 3 it says 88% used, 57 MB free
[05:20] <MidMark> after clicking I don't knwo
[05:29] <MidMark> try again...
[05:32] <Riddell> MidMark: try doing a tail -f /var/log/syslog too
[05:35] <MidMark> ok I'll do it again, but I need a mouse... try with mine, hotplugging ps/w works?
[05:40] <MidMark> Riddell: it freeze with 78/647 MB free 12%
[05:41] <MidMark> syslog is identical like the photo provided before
[05:41] <MidMark> http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p50900017ag.jpg
[05:46] <MidMark> the strange thing it's the memory is free for 12% from the start to the freeze, it never changed
[05:47] <MidMark> it say unionfs
[05:52] <MidMark> Riddell: wait for order :)
[06:12] <Riddell> MidMark: hmm, I'm out of ideas
[06:12] <Riddell> MidMark: other than suggesting downloading the ubuntu CD and seeing if it has the same problem
[06:14] <MidMark> Riddell: ok I can do, last test!
[06:19] <OdyX> Riddell: you should wait tomorrow, it's hug day ;-)
[06:19] <OdyX> But thanks though
[06:34] <Riddell> mornfall: did you do the new adept tar?
[06:34] <mornfall> Riddell: not yet :\
[06:34] <mornfall> i just got home
[06:34] <mornfall> and want to eat
[06:34] <Riddell> I'm probably out for some of this evening
[06:34] <mornfall> i'll try to persuade myself that it needs to be done right after food
[06:35] <mornfall> Riddell: is there some near deadline? when is the RC flight?
[06:35] <Riddell> not for a bit, I was just checking incase I'd missed one you'd made
[06:35] <mornfall> like, i can do it tonight and you can pick it up tomorrow or something
[06:36] <Riddell> May 25th
[06:36] <mornfall> Riddell: if you are going to be away, i can mail you an url
[06:36] <OdyX> Riddell: If you have time, probably related with media:/ "crap", bug 43311
[06:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43311 in meta-kde "Impossible to read DVD-video's content" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43311
[06:36] <mornfall> Riddell: plenty of time then, even in case problems pop up with rc1 of adept
[06:40] <Riddell> CD candidates would start 23rd
[06:41] <pygi> Riddell: poke
[06:42] <pygi> please take a look at
[06:42] <pygi> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=yuriy.kozlov@gmail.com:16485917:52b034bb
[06:47] <Riddell> "Kubuntu Printing with CUPS 1.2"  interesting
[06:47] <OdyX> :D
[06:47] <Riddell> but he'd do better applying to KDE to find a good mentor for it
[06:48] <pygi> Riddell, indeed, but considering he applied here, perhaps you could mentor him?
[06:48] <Riddell> yes, trouble is there's a few like that
[06:49] <Riddell> and I doubt we'll get more than a couple kubuntu projects
[06:49] <Riddell> I havn't heard back from the floppy fomatting guy
[06:49] <pygi> indeed :-/
[06:49] <Riddell> I'll look at them all tomorrow once applications are closed
[06:49] <pygi> I just looked over all the applications, and a very lill' number is for kubuntu
[06:49] <pygi> oki Riddell
[06:50] <pygi> even those that are for Kubuntu, are duplicates
[06:55] <pygi> Riddell: I have another one
[06:55] <pygi> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=yuriy.kozlov@gmail.com:163a367b:88d89396
[06:55] <Riddell> I recognise that e-mail address :)
[06:56] <pygi> who is he? :)
[06:56] <Riddell> "KControl/KDE-guidance module for Wine" hmm
[06:56] <Riddell> pygi: same guy as the last application you pointed out :)
[06:57] <Riddell> doesn't sound like a summer's worth of work though
[06:57] <pygi> Riddell, aah, yes, indeed :)
[06:58] <Riddell> _Sime: did you see the one I posted this morning?  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/soc2.png
[06:58] <_Sime> nope, not unless you try to create installers etc for a heap of windows software and games.
[06:58] <_Sime> someone asked me about writing a init* config thingy for guidance.
[06:58] <_Sime> in C++.
[06:59] <_Sime> I don't know if is the sam person.
[06:59] <Riddell> _Sime: ah, the module would bittorrent your chosen game from the best warez sites, good idea
[06:59] <Riddell> an initng guidance module would depend on whether we used initng in edgy
[06:59] <_Sime> has that been decided yet?
[07:00] <Riddell> nope
[07:00] <_Sime> also...
[07:00] <_Sime> do you know why I can't upload .po files to rosetta?
[07:00] <_Sime> and are things being actively translated now?
[07:01] <Riddell> _Sime: seems Edgy won't use initNG
[07:01] <_Sime> oh, pity.
[07:01] <Riddell> _Sime: things are being actively translated yes
[07:01] <Riddell> upload translations, or templates?
[07:04] <_Sime> "Uplaod a file" ==> "NOt allowed here"
[07:05] <MidMark> Riddell: it seems to freeze also with ubuntu flight-7 and choosing ITA
[07:05] <MidMark> different burned cd, so I think it isn't a media problem
[07:05] <Riddell> _Sime: where?
[07:06] <Riddell> MidMark: oh good not my fault then :)
[07:06] <_Sime> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kde-guidance/+pots/guidance
[07:07] <MidMark> Riddell: so I can report to Malone?
[07:07] <Riddell> _Sime: are you uploading a template or a translation?
[07:07] <Riddell> MidMark: yes please do
[07:07] <MidMark> Riddell: ok
[07:07] <_Sime> Riddell: well, I can't get to an upload form, so it doesn't really matter yet.
[07:11] <Riddell> true
[07:11] <Riddell> carlos will know the details but I guess .pots can only be uploaded by elite people, and .po's by people who are on the translation team
[07:12] <OdyX> Riddell: seems to, yep. I could upload .po for koffice.
[07:14] <_Sime> Riddell: oh, then I need someone to upload the .pot from guidance. The .pot in the tarball is up to date BTW.
[07:14] <Riddell> if there's a .pot in the tar we just need to poke carlos to load it into rosetta
[07:17] <Riddell> _Sime: is the problem that the .pot in rosetta is out of date?
[07:18] <_Sime> it might be, but I can't tell because I have no idea when it was last uploaded.
[07:20] <MidMark> bug 43841
[07:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43841 in ubiquity "Ubiquity freeze during loading step 3 (Ubuntu AND Kubuntu flight-7)" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43841
[07:23] <Riddell> _Sime: well you can look at the strings it has.  but rosetta will sync the .pot files each time the package is uploaded so it should be up to date
[07:51] <dinofly> hello
[07:52] <freeflying-ibook> dinofly: hi
[07:59] <kmon> hi
[08:19] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[08:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[08:27] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_:  have you noticed that kio_beagle will search in system directions
[08:28] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: fepends on the beagled configuration I assume
[08:28] <Tonio_> depends
[08:28] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: I've excluded all system dirs
[08:29] <kmon> Tonio_: did anyone managed to separate gtk dependencies on beagle so installing kerry doesn't install them?
[08:29] <freeflying-ibook> kmon: seems jpatrick works on
[08:29] <kmon> freeflying-ibook: thanks
[08:29] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: I personnaly don't mind ;) I don't use beagle, but I don't find that shocking that it can search in the full system
[08:30] <Tonio_> kmon: I asked for this, but I was told that it will be done "in the future"
[08:30] <Tonio_> means that if we don't insist hard, that may never happen ;)
[08:30] <Tonio_> too late for dapper btw
[08:30] <Tonio_> but we need to keep in touch concerning this for edgy
[08:30] <kmon> I hope kde people bring a better desktop search solution
[08:31] <Tonio_> kmon: there is kat, wich works very nicelly
[08:31] <Tonio_> but the point is that it would be nice to have the same backend for gnome and kde
[08:32] <Tonio_> going onto 2 different technologies........... would be a pain
[08:32] <kmon> I went to ask about kat in their chat room
[08:32] <kmon> and they say they were a bit stalled
[08:32] <superstoned> hey riddell, great job on the liveinstaller ;-)
[08:32] <superstoned> looks cool
[08:32] <superstoned> very cool
[08:33] <superstoned> tough it bails out on custom partition setup (bug already there in bugdatabase)
[08:33] <superstoned> and i still think we could work a bit on the style (polyester and round top corners windeco)
[08:33] <freeflying-ibook> kmon: Huahua has a project writen in python , for index-search
[08:34] <kmon> it would be nice if all this desktop search ideas came together into a single app
[08:34] <kmon> but it won't happen...
[08:38] <kmon> I want to translate my recent addition to kubuntu
[08:38] <kmon> the send via email service menu
[08:38] <kmon> can someone refreshme how to do a debdiff?
[08:39] <freeflying-ibook> kmon: debdiff old.dsc new.dsc > outfile
[08:40] <kmon> thanks
[08:48] <kmon> arrg
[08:50] <kmon> which is first, dch or debuild?
[08:53] <freeflying-ibook> kmon: dch
[08:53] <kmon> freeflying-ibook: thanks
[08:53] <freeflying-ibook> then debuild
[08:53] <kmon> trial and error gave me the solution ;)
[08:55] <kmon> Riddell: I've sent the spanish translation of the email.desktop service menu
[08:55] <kmon> and I've send it using that same service menu
[08:55] <kmon> hehe
[09:11] <kmon> cannonical should invite aseigo to the paris summit. He's been talking nice about kubuntu on his blog and the dot
[09:25] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[09:25] <kmon> hi bddebian
[09:25] <bddebian> Any of you have any thoughts about konqplus?  I think we should remove it since both it and a build-dep (keasydlg) have been dropped from Debian?
[09:27] <kmon> what's konqplus?
[09:27] <bddebian> No freakin clue :-)
[09:29] <kmon> Aptitude reports: "Konqplus add some function to context menu"
[09:30] <kmon> it's seems to be a package of extensions to konqueror
[09:31] <kmon> the package contains information on the current functionality
[09:31] <bddebian> Yeah well good luck building it :-)
[09:31] <kmon> err
[09:31] <kmon> no thanks ;)
[09:37] <kmon> bddebian: are you a debian kde maintainer?
[09:37] <kmon> (just curious)
[09:37] <bddebian> Know, I'm just a (l)user :-)
[09:37] <bddebian> And MOTU
[09:38] <kmon> kubuntu user or ubuntu user? ;)
[09:38] <bddebian> Both now :-)
[09:42] <allee> bddebian: we welcome (l)user too :)
[09:42] <bddebian> :-)
[10:14] <kwwii> evening
[10:15] <bddebian> Hello kwwii
[10:15] <kwwii> bddebian: howdy
[10:23] <kwwii> well flight7 works worse on my laptop than before
[10:32] <kwwii> so why does adept say "BREAK(install)" in red letters when i try to install a package?
[10:33] <mornfall> i suppose it's broken
[10:33] <mornfall> (the package)
[10:34] <kwwii> but I mean in the list itself, request install leads to that
[10:36] <kwwii> wow
[10:36] <kwwii> guess os
[10:36] <kwwii> so
[10:36] <kwwii> so flight7 is pretty much still unusable
[10:36] <kwwii> nasty
[10:37] <kwwii> at least, I certainly have the wrong hardware for this stuff
[10:37] <kwwii> oh well
[11:07] <nikikko> Hi all
[11:07] <nikikko> I had a really strange bug with KPresenter and french locale
[11:07] <nikikko> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126990
[11:07] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 126990 in general "points are saved with , instead of . in e.g. french locale" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[11:07] <nikikko> I think the fix should be beckported in kubuntu dapper
[11:08] <nikikko> Because all my presentation are messy under open office or kpresenter with an us locale
[11:08] <nikikko> Which is really bad for OpenDocument
[11:09] <nikikko> Is it possible or is it too late ?
[11:11] <kmon> nikikko: don't know, maybe Riddell can tell. If it's too late, there's a good chance to have koffice 1.5.1 (first point release) for dapper.
[11:12] <nikikko> kmon: ok, thank you...
[11:15] <Lure> nikikko: is bug already opened in Launchpad - if not, you should open it and link to KDE bug entry
[11:15] <nikikko> Lure: no, not in launchpad, I'll open one
[11:16] <nikikko> I really hope koffice 1.5.1 can go in dapper...
[11:17] <Lure> nikikko: please do so - if it is not in LP it will probably be missed... (not that it will get in if it is there though ;-))
[11:19] <kmon> hi Lure
[11:20] <Lure> hi kmon
[11:20] <kmon> my .desktop file is in dapper ;)
[11:21] <Lure> kmon: you see how easy it is to contribute ;-)
[11:22] <kmon> yes, you are very helpfull here
[11:23] <kmon> I'm wouldn't mind help porting the hardware tool in ubuntu to pyqt
[11:23] <kmon> but I've no idea of pyqt :)
[11:25] <Lure> kmon: what kind of hardware tool?
[11:26] <kmon> ubuntu has a python tool to submit hw info to the devs
[11:26] <kmon> I don't know the name, but it's been there since the first releases
[11:26] <kmon> it's basically a tool to test if sounds ok, mouse, keyboard, etc
[11:27] <nikikko> Lure : bug #43887, thank you
[11:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43887 in koffice "In OpenDocuement file, points are saved with "," instead of "." in e.g. french locale" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43887
[11:29] <nikikko> by all
[11:31] <kmon> good night everyone


[03:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Canonical joins the OpenAirInterface<br>Software Alliance @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-joins-the-openairinterfacesoftware-alliance
[03:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Performance engineering on Ubuntu leaps forward with frame pointers by default in Ubuntu 24.04 LTS @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/ubuntu-performance-engineering-with-frame-pointers-by-default
[11:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::ubuntuonair:: ScaniVerse: A New Horizon in Unified Scanning for Linux Systems @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAeUseU35Cc
[11:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::ubuntuonair:: Importance of Measuring Trust in Organizations and How Community Presence can Help @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__7vf2AdPDM
[11:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::ubuntuonair:: Bpftrace Recipes: 5 Real Problems Solved @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMtArNjRYXU
[13:59] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::portugal:: E277 Em Casa De Ferreiro, Espeto De Murphy @ https://podcastubuntuportugal.org/e277/
[21:28] <guiverc> ~six weekly warning of lunar EOL is out... I'll grab link & massage for fridge when I can (maybe a couple of hours)
[21:37] <tsimonq2> https://ubuntustudio.org/2023/12/noble-numbat-updates-for-december/
[21:38] <Eickmeyer> The planet feed should be picking that up.
[21:38] <tsimonq2> It hasn't yet. XD
[21:40] <Eickmeyer> Planet is slower than planetary glaciation.
[22:35] <guiverc> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2023-December/000297.html
[23:09] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: Vivaldi 6.5 adds sessions panel, encrypted history sync + more @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/12/vivaldi-6-5-adds-new-sessions-panel-encrypted-history-sync-more
[23:32] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Clear to acces 818 - add the day's take ?
[23:33] <guiverc> yep, its clear...
[23:33] <Bashing-om> editing :D
[23:33] <guiverc> (me still intends massaging 23.04 lunar eol warning on mouspead locally; then pasting to fridge when I get to it)
[23:55] <Bashing-om> guiverc: saved and out of 818 :)


[01:41] <ralph> Unless I hear different I'll try and raise a bug on the installation guide;  it seems now /dev/sda is the norm only 11 logical partitions are possible.  Please speak up if you think I've got that wrong.
[10:18] <cjwatson> ralph: there is no intent to impose a maximum partition number beyond that imposed by the kernel, which is much higher than you state.  Any limit is a bug, not something we should enshrine in the installation guide.
[10:21] <cjwatson> ralph: oh, wait, I'm evidently misremembering and the /dev/sd* limit is indeed 16.  Yes, I suppose that should be documented in the installation guide.
[11:40] <tjaalton> cjwatson: do you have installer images for lucid built using the backported kernel from 10.10?
[11:41] <tjaalton> I probably asked about this earlier, but can't remember if they exist
[11:43] <cjwatson> not yet
[11:44] <tjaalton> ok. I realise it's just not a simple rebuild ;)
[12:30] <CIA-4> ubiquity: evand * r4479 trunk/debian/changelog: No change rebuild for new libindicator2.
[12:41] <CIA-4> ubiquity: evand * r4480 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.5.10


[10:33] <slashtommy> Firefox (10.04 LTS) was updated yesterday for some bizarre reason, tis now broke - i need an urgent fix
[10:33]  * slashtommy uses LTS so that these problems shouldn't occur
[12:13] <czajkowski> slashtommy: desktop?
[12:14] <slashtommy> czajkowski: laptop, if it makes a difference?
[12:15] <ebel> desktop ubuntu version, as opposed to ubuntu server
[12:15] <czajkowski> ebel: aye
[12:15] <ebel> slashtommy is using ubuntu desktop, not ubuntu server
[12:15] <czajkowski> slashtommy: have you filed a bug I can go ask in #ubuntu-desktop and see whats the issue if you want?
[12:15] <slashtommy> i haven't the time
[12:16] <slashtommy> i need a web browser that works with .aspx pages and can open PDFs inside salesforce.com
[12:16] <slashtommy> if i don't get this in the next few hours, i will have no alternative but to install debian on here and get a stable system
[12:16] <czajkowski> ok I'll go ask so
[12:16] <czajkowski> ok ok
[12:17] <czajkowski> would help to have a bug
[12:17] <czajkowski> but I cna ask
[12:17] <slashtommy> NB I use the LTS so i shouldn't get these issues
[12:18] <slashtommy> i have better things to do than to fix my computer
[12:19] <czajkowski> have pinged tis lunchitime
[12:21] <slashtommy> anyway, how are you czajkowski?
[12:21] <czajkowski> ntb
[12:22] <czajkowski> writing slides for a panel in fosdem at the weekend
[12:22] <czajkowski> slashtommy: can you join #ubuntu-desktop
[12:22] <czajkowski> have the guy who looks after ff in the desktop there ready to help please
[12:22] <slashtommy> tbh, i'm 2 hours behind with work i need to be done before lunch
[12:23] <czajkowski> then I cant help to give him the info
[12:23] <czajkowski> I want to help
[12:23] <slashtommy> (as i didn't have a working web browser)
[12:23] <czajkowski> but this is kinda hard
[12:26] <czajkowski> went to paris at the weekend
[12:26] <czajkowski> surpeie for jon for our anniversary 1 year :D
[12:28] <ebel> czajkowski: paris nice?
[12:29] <czajkowski> yup
[12:29] <czajkowski> but very cold
[12:29] <czajkowski> and it's just starting to semi snow here
[12:41] <tdr112> czajkowski: i must bring a coat tomorrow so
[12:41] <ebel> tdr112: going to france?
[12:42] <tdr112> na london tomorrow
[12:43] <czajkowski> tdr112: ahh thought you were there last night
[12:43] <czajkowski> its very cold today
[12:43] <tdr112> czajkowski: flying in tomorrow morning
[12:44] <czajkowski> tdr112: bookmark http://www.tfl.gov.uk/
[12:52] <tdr112> will do
[12:52] <tdr112> any apps i should have
[12:53] <czajkowski> there is a tube one
[12:53] <czajkowski> it'll tell you if there is good or bad service but not much use
[12:53] <czajkowski> better off using that site via the web to navigagte your way around
[12:58] <tdr112> ok thanks


[10:18] <mparillo> KFN had a spam problem some years ago, and its response may have locked you out. Or maybe that particular area is extra locked-down. It looks as if Rik and valorie have posted there. I sometimes see Claydoh posting on the Kubuntu sub-reddit. Perhaps one of them remembers.
[18:11] <valorie> sgmoore: I had all kinds of trouble posting I do recall, and sort of gave up after awhile
 OK, not just me then. We outta consider discussing a new forum, all the Kool kids are doing discourse. I need to be able help with user support, which requires being able to post 😆
 Has anyone heard anything on LFNW?


[01:19] <Logan_> hggdh: poke
[01:20] <Logan_> Does anyone know what to do if a bug has been filed against a package that was removed from the repositories after that bug was filed?
[01:20] <Logan_> Do we mark as Won't Fix or Invalid?
[01:20] <Logan_> (I don't appear to have the permissions to mark the bug as Won't Fix, if that's the answer.)
[01:52] <micahg> Logan_: invalid is fine (one should check if it needs an sru for previous releases and asks for tasks if appropriate)
[01:53] <Logan_> Alright, thanks. :-)
[01:53] <Logan_> By the way, I really want Gimp 2.8 in Precise. :-P
[01:53] <Logan_> Can I just say that all of the reverse dependencies work? ;-)
[01:55] <Logan_> (I kid, of course.)
[01:55]  * micahg suggests crowdsourcing
[01:56] <Logan_> Meh, too lazy. ;-P
[01:56] <Logan_> I'm busy fixing string bugs.
[01:56] <Logan_> Since they're so easy.
[01:56] <Logan_> I mean, you change the string.
[01:56] <Logan_> And then you request merging.
[11:44] <mitya57> Hi there, can anybody please add precise targets to bug 990689 and bug 1002802?
[11:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 990689 in unity-mail "No message count" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/990689
[11:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1002802 in unity-mail "[SRU] Unity-Mail 0.92.3 bugfix release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1002802
[13:23] <TheLordOfTime> micahg: around?
[14:27] <vibhav> Any bug supervisor around
[14:27] <vibhav> ?
[14:29] <vibhav> Can https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/644578 be nominated for oneiric?
[14:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 644578 in update-notifier "gettext required by package scripts, but not a dependency " [Medium,Fix released]
[14:37] <vibhav> micahg: ping
[16:37] <micahg> LordOfTime: vibhav: available for quick question or will be back soon
[16:40] <vibhav> micahg: Nevermind


[10:04] <pepe> me ayudais en español por favor?
[10:04] <Guest6079> buenos 'dias, me ayudais en español
[10:04] <kc2bez> !es
[10:05] <Guest6079> gracias
[10:05] <kc2bez> de nada
 !es
 ??
 Ah
[10:06] <kc2bez> You won't be able to trigger the bot from telegram
 Yup, I realized
 Am logging into IRC now
 What was the channel name?
[10:07] <kc2bez> #lubuntu
 Ah
 I thought it was #lubuntu-support
 No wonder it wasn't working
 Have connected
[10:08] <kc2bez> lubuntu.me/links
[10:09] <rs2009> By the way, I'm continuing LXDE in my own distro
 Hello everyone. If I install the ISO Daily Build 20.04 will go directly to 20.04 LTS ?
[11:53] <Mainframe1986> Hi .. If I install the daily build 20.04 ... then will I have to reinstall the LTS or will it automatically update to LTS?
 No, it will be the normal 20.04
[11:55] <Mainframe1986> then it will switch to LTS.  ok.  Thanks
[14:03] <izder456> will the 20.04 release feature lxqt or lxde?
 LXQt
 why not create a version for netbooks?
 featuring lxde
[14:08] <gridLok> Anyone with SFML and c++ experience that would be willing to answer a few questions?
 This is the support channel of Lubuntu, not SFML
[14:10] <gridLok> I know that... Just trying to spice things up a bit.
[14:14] <izder456> i just feel that lxqt can be too demanding for some machines
[14:15] <izder456> I like the interface and all but there should be a respin of it like how fedora does it
[14:15] <izder456> idk just an idea
 Yes, feelings are feelings. Not much, that we can do about the feelings of different people.
[14:15] <izder456> Yeah i hear ya
[14:16] <izder456> It's probably alot of work to change destop environment and update the packages to support it
 The development of LXDE is practically dead. And it is based on GTK2
[14:16] <izder456> Oh i didn't know that
[14:16] <izder456> Is that why it was switched
 https://lubuntu.me/taking-a-new-direction/
[16:51] <v_lens> Hi everyone !! I was asking yesterday about installing ubuntu.My girls laptop's drive cannot create a partition sized more than 18 gb . So i have decided to install lubuntu . Does lubuntu gets installed the same way as ubuntu ?
 more or less, yes.
 but 18GB is *very* small so it probably won't be able to hold much after the GUI is installed
[16:53] <v_lens> I saw somewhere that it need 2 gb or more
[16:53] <v_lens> not accurate ?
 It is about 4.8 or so just to get the system installed.
 2 Gb will hold the live iso but that is it.
[16:55] <v_lens> i see... Do i have to make a partition , or just select the first option it sais something about install lubuntu side by side windows
[16:55] <v_lens> what do you think ?
 erm
 18GB - is that what's NOT used by Windows?
 if so then yes
 otherwise, you've got something else going on
[16:58] <v_lens> got it ... I have to make a partition then . So i have just to install it on that 18 gb partition and thats it ?  Cant be any better place for lubuntu ! So ... just one partition and let it installed in that ?
[17:12] <alkisg> v_lens: sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:12] <alkisg> This will show the partition information
[17:14] <v_lens> thanks
 oh hey you're alive alkisg i need to torture yo ufor something separately
[17:19] <teward> alkisg: see PM
[18:23] <grinrause> Hi,
[18:24] <grinrause> Thanks for the great work.
[18:25] <grinrause> I just came here to say that I'm using lubuntu 20.04 and its great,
[18:26] <grinrause> The only thing i found that is no 100% is SNAPD and its APPS,
 @grinrause [<grinrause> The only thing i found that is no 100% is SNAPD and its APPS,], Do you mean it is not 100% snap packages?
 @aptghetto [LXQt], Aesthetically it is Top 😍
 at 20.04 lts, will lubuntu continue supporting 32 bit?
 18.04 is the only option for 32 bit support.
 @rs2009 [why not create a version for netbooks?], I have Netbooks with lubuntu 19.10, the only problem is if it has 32bit
 to free some ram you can disable autosart of lxqt-runner qlipper and if you don't print printer-applet


[09:02] <sillyslux__> https://spaceflightnow.com/2020/06/13/falcon-9-starlink-8-mission-status-center/
[09:02] <sillyslux__> T-minus 20 minutes
[09:11] <sillyslux__> pocelo strimanje