[12:28] <blubber> I'm experiencing a problem on my fresh Ubuntu 13.04 install, not sure if I should report a bug in launchpad.
[12:28] <blubber> The problem is that periodically my computer stalls for a short period (lees then a second).
[12:29] <blubber> After that it resumes as usual.
[12:29] <blubber> I looked at top, the logs and vmstat, but I can't find anything out of the ordinary.
[12:30] <blubber> Just noticed the music keeps playing when it occurs :]
[13:38] <mnaumann> hi jdstrand, do you have a minute to discuss https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/icecast2/+bug/894782 ? i'm the original reporter of this (less serious) security bug  you closed (after it was fixed in gentoo, fedora, suse, debian >= half a year ago) because - if i understand it correctly - the format of the patches provided is not suitable.
[13:38] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 894782 in openSUSE "Newline injection in error.log" [Low,Fix released]
[13:47] <jdstrand> mnaumann: that's correct. fyi, it's also fixed in Ubuntu 13.04 and higher. I'll update the bug
[13:58] <mnaumann> i'm looking forward to it, thanks.
[14:17] <aaalbatrosss> Hi. I'd like some help with targetting ( nominate ) this bug to raring please https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tvtime/+bug/1164457. Best regards
[14:17] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1164457 in tvtime (Ubuntu) "Crash when renumber current channel" [Undecided,Fix released]
[23:37] <psusi> could a release manager open a grub2 task for 12.04 in bug #807801?  Needs an SRU...
[23:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 807801 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "GRUB2 fails to detect/add Windows entries on a UEFI system" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/807801
[23:49] <bdmurray> psusi: just for P?


[00:47] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 295388
[02:51] <JontheEchidna> bug 293081
[02:51] <JontheEchidna> I can haz sponsor?
[02:51]  * JontheEchidna patents the LOLdev
[02:53] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Is there a pending merge for kdepimlibs too?
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: already uploaded
[02:54] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.  I'll have a look.
[02:55] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You've tested this?
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> yes
[02:58] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Is this already fixed in 4.2?
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> Yup, it was forward-ported to trunk
[02:59] <ScottK> OK
[03:00] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I got it.  I have to run out shortly to pick up a kid from ice skating, but I'll get it done.
[03:00] <JontheEchidna> k thanks
[03:03] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee :)
[03:03] <nixternal> you and I got Friday! :P
[03:14] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Build it started.  Back later.
[03:14] <JontheEchidna> ttyl
[03:28]  * JontheEchidna out
[04:10] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[09:14] <glade88> kde 4.1.3 on hardy can be installing it from ppa? (deb intrepid main repo)
[09:20] <NCommander> Hobbsee, ping
[10:34] <Hobbsee> NCommander: contentless pong.
[10:35] <Hobbsee> nixternal: indeed!  It should be interesting.
[10:35] <Hobbsee> nixternal: mind you, i don't know how much signage and stuff we'll be doing - if people don't know their way around by friday....
[10:35] <Hobbsee> nixternal: besides,i'm the sort of person who would probably need the signs!
[10:35] <NCommander> Hobbsee, care to upload something for me?
[10:36] <Hobbsee> NCommander: depends what it is
[10:36] <NCommander> patch to fix FTBFS/dep-wait in main for alsa-plugins?
[10:38] <Hobbsee> jaunty, i hope?
[10:38] <NCommander> yup
[10:39] <NCommander> its a critical bug
[10:39] <NCommander> Hobbsee, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-plugins/+bug/295278
[10:57] <Hobbsee> critical.  on jaunty at this point?
[10:57] <Hobbsee> anyone running jaunty now is absolutely mad.
[11:03] <Hobbsee> NCommander: sponsored
[11:03]  * NCommander hugs Hobbsee
[15:26] <nixternal> Hobbsee: haha, I will need the signs as well :)
[15:27] <nixternal> good morning Kubuntu!!!
[15:34] <Nightrose> good morning nixternal :)
[15:34] <Nightrose> how are you?
[15:37] <Riddell> morning nixternal, afternoon Nightrose
[15:37] <Nightrose> :)
[15:48] <ScottK> Good $TIMEOFDAY all.
[15:49] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you please accept the kdepimlibs in intrepid-backports.
[15:52] <Riddell> ScottK: what's new in it?
[15:53] <ScottK> Fixes a bad memory leadk in Knode IIRC.
[15:54] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^
[15:54] <Riddell> so it does, accepted
[15:54] <ScottK> Thanks.
[15:55] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^^ kdepimilbs accepted.
[15:55] <nixternal> so, what do we need to start working on here? taking a look at the merges wiki page and it looks complete for the time being
[15:55]  * nixternal checks out MoM
[15:55] <Riddell> nixternal: there's all the extragear ones
[15:56] <Riddell> I don't know if MoM is up to date yet
[15:56] <ScottK> It looks at unstable and not experimental anyway.
[15:56] <nixternal> ya
[15:58] <ScottK> IIRC smarter was looking at modifying DaD to look at experimental.
[15:59] <lex79> system settings -> accessibility crashes and there isn't log
[15:59] <lex79> in 4.1.3
[15:59]  * ScottK tries
[15:59] <nixternal> works here
[16:00] <ScottK> Here too.
[16:00] <lex79> here no :(
[16:01] <Riddell> lex79: anything in /var/crash ?
[16:01] <lex79> a moment
[16:01] <lex79> no, there isn't
[16:02] <ScottK> lex79: Do you have kdebase-dbg installed?
[16:02] <lex79> no ScottK
[16:03] <ScottK> My thought would be install the debug package and then see what happens when it crashes again.
[16:03] <lex79> ok ScottK, thx
[16:05] <ScottK> I just had to add libphonon-dev, libxft-dev, libxcursor-dev, and libsm-dev to build-dep for a plasmoid to get it to build in Jaunty.  Builds fine in Intrepid.  Did we change something on purpose?  Most of those things seem to be things all plasmoids will need.
[16:06] <nixternal> argh...can't remember my debian svn password
[16:06] <nixternal> err...not a password issue...damn you ssh keys!
[16:06]  * nixternal fires up the laptop with access
[16:06] <Riddell> ScottK: compare kdebase-workspace-dev, maybe we dropped -dev depends we shouldn't
[16:07] <ScottK> Riddell: Will do.
[16:10] <ScottK> Riddell: The updated merged version FTBFS and so what's there is still the same.
[16:10] <larsivi> hi - I see my knode bug has had the fix released :) but how can I install it, it doesn't show up in the updates :P
[16:11] <ScottK> larsivi: It shouldn't have been marked fix released.
[16:12] <larsivi> :/
[16:12] <ScottK> larsivi: It's just been uploaded to intrepid-backports as part of the 4.1.3 update.
[16:12] <larsivi> ok, but I think I have backports enabled
[16:13] <ScottK> OK.  Then you'll get it, but it will take some time to build and be copied to the mirrors.
[16:13] <larsivi> I do get kdelibs from backports now for instance
[16:13] <larsivi> ok, thanks :)
[16:17] <ScottK> Then you'll get it eventually.
[16:19] <ScottK> Riddell: It looks like kdebase-workspace in Jaunty may be missing a build-dep or something in QT has changed.  I don't know enough about QT to tell, but I think it's worth a look at the build log.
[16:20] <ScottK> larsivi: For i386 there's no buildd backlog.  It's building right now.
[16:33] <Riddell> ScottK: entirely possible
[16:33] <Riddell> what brings in libsm-dev ?
[16:34] <Riddell> libqt4-dev should
[16:34] <ScottK> OK.  plasmoid-cpuload is where I had the problem.
[16:35] <Riddell> yep, libqt4-dev looks like the culprit
[16:37] <lex79> I installed kdebase-dbg but no log or backtrace, other ideas ScottK?
[16:37] <ScottK> lex79: I'd create a new user and see if it has the same problem.
[16:38] <lex79> ok
[16:38] <Riddell> ScottK: uploading fixed qt4
[16:39] <ScottK> Riddell: Great.
[16:41] <ScottK> Riddell: Was that the culprit for kdebase-workspace too?
[16:42] <Riddell> ScottK: yes if it's the libsm-dev issue
[16:43] <ScottK> No.  It was different.
[16:43]  * ScottK gets the build log.
[16:45] <ScottK> Riddell: The deadly line in the build log is sipplasmapart4.cpp:2620: error: no matching function for call to 'Plasma::PanelSvg::paintPanel(QPainter*&, const QPointF&)' /build/buildd/kdebase-workspace-4.1.2/libs/plasma/panelsvg.h:196: note: candidates are: void Plasma::PanelSvg::paintPanel(QPainter*, const QRectF&, const QPointF&)
[16:46] <lex79> same issue with an other user :(
[16:47] <ScottK> lex79: I'm out of ideas then.
[16:47] <lex79> ya...
[16:48] <Riddell> meh, what's that about
[16:48] <ScottK> Riddell: I need to run off, but kdebase-workspace FTBFS on all archs.
[16:48] <ScottK> Riddell: Which, mine or lex79?
[16:49] <Riddell> kdebase-workspace
[16:49] <Riddell> I'll look into it
[16:50] <ScottK> Great.  Thanks.
[17:08] <smarter> [16:58:15] <ScottK> IIRC smarter was looking at modifying DaD to look at experimental.
[17:08] <smarter> yup, but DaD is currently broken due to snapshot.debian.net being out of data
[17:08] <smarter> hopefully this should be fixed soon
[17:08] <ScottK> smarter: Ah.  MoM code is also on Launchpad.
[17:09] <ScottK> And is GPL (now)
[17:09] <Riddell> yay
[17:09] <smarter> s/out of data/out of date/
[17:09]  * smarter is a bit too lazy to look into MoM code, especially if just waiting should be enough to have something working :P
[17:10] <smarter> a mail has been sent to the snapshot.d.n maintainer
[17:10] <ScottK> smarter: s.d.o has been dead for some time.
[17:11] <smarter> ah?
[17:11]  * smarter didn't use it until today :p
[17:11] <ScottK> Yeah.  Don't assume it's coming back soon.  The problem is out of disk space.
[17:12] <smarter> oh :/
[17:13] <smarter> but the only problem we had is that the Sources.gz which is used to know where the different versions are available is out of date
[17:13] <smarter> the packages themselves seem to be ok
[17:13] <ScottK> Maybe I misremember then.
[17:13] <smarter> [16:58:15] <ScottK> IIRC smarter was looking at modifying DaD to look at experimental.
[17:13] <smarter> oops
[17:13] <smarter> http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2008/11/07/debian/pool/main/k/
[17:13] <smarter> maybe they got another harddrive
[17:13] <ScottK> Maybe.
 Riddell: The deadly line in the build log is sipplasmapart4.cpp:2620: error: no matching function for call to 'Plasma::PanelSvg::paintPanel(QPainter*&, const QPointF&)' /build/buildd/kdebase-workspace-4.1.2/libs/plasma/panelsvg.h:196: note: candidates are: void Plasma::PanelSvg::paintPanel(QPainter*, const QRectF&, const QPointF&)
[17:15] <rgreening> ScottK: I know this error...
[17:16] <rgreening> ScottK: It may be caused basause of the missing totltip patch
[17:16] <rgreening> s/totltip/tool/tip
[17:20] <rgreening> ScottK: kubuntu_20_plasma_tooltips.diff is the patch which contains this function.
[17:20] <ScottK> rgreening: Thanks.
[17:20] <rgreening> np
[17:24] <ScottK> Cool.  The dget from the new devscripts (see intrepid-backports) gives you an eta for the download.
[17:24] <rgreening> neat
[17:25] <ScottK> rgreening: That patch is missing from the Jaunty version.  I'll fix it.
[17:25] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: did you manage to add that patch back and test the compile? ^^
[17:25] <rgreening> k.
[17:25] <ScottK> Riddell: It's not in what got uploaded.
[17:39] <Riddell> ScottK: no but he was going to add it back and check it compiles
[17:39] <Riddell> ScottK: but if you want to beat him to it, that would be groovy
[17:40] <ScottK> OK.  Well I just kicked off a build.  If it works I'll upload it.  If it doesn't, I don't have time to sort through it today.
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: it compiled, I just haven't prepared a diff yet
[17:50]  * JontheEchidna goes to do so
[17:52] <mitsarionas> hi... sorry if it's not the place to ask...but did some plasmoids break with kde 4.1.3?
[17:52] <lex79> dragon player does not start
[17:52] <lex79> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dragonplayer/+bug/289114
[17:55] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell and JontheEchidna: I give.  Over to you ....  http://paste.ubuntu.com/69284/
[17:58] <rgreening> ScottK: what gen'd that paste?
[17:58] <ScottK> rgreening: I added the tooltips patch back to kdebase-workspace and built it.
[17:58] <ScottK> That was during configure.
[17:58] <rgreening> ScottK: hmm... 1 sec
[17:59] <rgreening> let me have a quick look
[18:00] <rgreening> JontheEchidna got it to build... not sure what else may have been necessary
[18:01]  * ScottK needs to head out anyway.  Good luck.
[18:01] <rgreening> ScottK: k, I'll let JontheEchidnahandle it :)
[18:01]  * rgreening is on the way out now too...
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> blah
[18:02]  * JontheEchidna messed things up
[18:03] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Messing up is not a big deal (we all do it).  The true measure is what you do now.
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> I mean, generating the debdiff
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> I grabbed the series file from the wrong place :x
[18:03] <ScottK> Good luck.  See you later.
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> Riddell, ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/69292/
[18:14] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: That looks very much like what I tried.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/69284/
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> I built against the Intrepid stack
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> hmm, but it looks like the kde dev packages aren't getting pulled in?
[18:16] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Yeah.  Build against Jaunty.  It's different.  Updated tools you need are in intrepid-backports.
[18:18] <ScottK> Riddell: Dunno if we should do it or not, but there seems to be an interest in an updated qt4 backport for Hardy https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+question/38220
[18:39] <ryanakca> Could someone fire up Kopete, enable the OTR plugin, click the configure icon.... and go generate key? Does anything happen? *is wondering if he's doing something wrong or if it's a bug*
[19:20] <jjesse> afternoon
[19:39] <smarter> ryanakca: OTR works fine here
[19:40] <ryanakca> smarter: bummer... Hmm... what do you have with ``dpkg -l | grep otr'' ? Intrepid or Gutsy?
[19:40] <smarter> but I don't think I used the configure dialog to generate a key
[19:40] <ryanakca> s/gutsy/hardy/g
[19:40] <ryanakca> *nod*
[19:41] <smarter> IIRC, I just started a conversation, tried launching otr and it asked if I wanted to generate a key
[19:41] <ryanakca> ok
[19:41] <smarter> I have libotr2 and libotr2-dev
[19:42]  * ryanakca had to manually pull libotr2-dev ... should it be a depends?
[19:42] <smarter> I don't think it's needed
[19:42] <smarter> if a dev package needs to be a dependency, something is wrong :P
[19:43] <ryanakca> hehe
[19:44] <ryanakca> hmm... feel like testing over Jabber/XMPP?
[19:52] <smarter> my gtalk account doesn't seem to work
[19:52] <smarter> something about QCA not working
[19:53] <ryanakca> yay, I made kopete crash. *tries again*
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> ScottK, Riddell: for some reason kdelibs5-dev isn't being pulled in
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> even though other kde*-dev packages are being pulled in
[19:57] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Then I think the best thing to do is figure what pulled it in for Intrepid and see why it changed.
[19:57]  * ScottK heads out.
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> this could get fun :]
[19:59] <smarter> JontheEchidna: apt-cache rdepends is your friend :p
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> kdebase-workspace build-deps on kdepimlibs5-dev
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> and kdepimlibs5-dev should be pulling in kdelibs5-dev...
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> but it's not
[20:06] <JontheEchidna> Would this frack things up?
[20:06] <JontheEchidna> -Depends: kdepimlibs5 (= ${binary:Version}), ${sameVersionDep:kdelibs5-dev:kdepimlibs5-Depends-kdelibs5}
[20:06] <JontheEchidna> +Depends: kdepimlibs5 (= ${binary:Version}), ${sameVersionDep:kdelibs5-dev},
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> ^irt to kdepimlibs5-dev's deps
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, I think that is the problem.
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> nvm I think the issue is actually a patch for reducing recursive linking
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> or both of those could be the issue :P
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> or maybe not
[20:33] <smarter> so, Debian fault? :p
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> no clue
[20:35]  * JontheEchidna is getting more confused by the minute
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> omg, it even build-deps on libphonon-dev, which is an rdepend of libs5-dev
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> or apt-cache rdepends is lying
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> :/
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> actually libphonon-dev replaces kdelibs5-dev under a certain version
[20:47] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: 'oi!
[21:04] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: oy!
[21:04] <DaSkreech> Pizza came Sorry
[21:07] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: yes Myrtti is my twinsister
[21:07] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: Ah. Though that still doesn't explain where I know her from
[21:07] <Tm_T> heh
[21:11] <DaSkreech> Do you have any docs writen down for kwibber?
[21:11] <Tm_T> nope not yet
[21:11] <Tm_T> gotta go to sleep
[21:12] <Tm_T> see you later
[21:12] <DaSkreech> Bye
[21:12] <DaSkreech> sleep well
[22:04]  * JontheEchidna is thinking that the problem is the avoid recursive linking patchh
[22:04]  * JontheEchidna has to go for a few hours
[22:12] <DaSkreech> Bye
[22:25] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: is that the 97 patch #?
[23:26] <nixternal> gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use
[23:26] <nixternal> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[23:26] <nixternal> debuild: fatal error at line 1250:
[23:26] <nixternal> what was the fix for that again?
[23:27] <DaSkreech> rm -r *boot*


[02:50] <gwar> does anyone know about "perl: warning: setting locale failed" while running ltsp-build-kernel on a powerpc
[02:50] <gwar> ?
[03:02] <gwar> does anyone know about "perl: warning: setting locale failed" while running ltsp-build-kernel on a powerpc
[03:02] <gwar> ?
[04:57] <_46> On another box, I was installing edubuntu, at % a notice saidmemory too low mode80
[04:58] <_46> so, I shut the install down and now the monitor is blank, does that mean my CR2032 battery on mother board id dead?
[05:30] <mindslant> Hi, I'm working on a proposal for a school I was just hired into to finally use all there donated computers.  Of course I chose edubuntu (it's wonderful)  Does anyone know of any resources I might use for the presentation?
[05:31] <mindslant> I guess first things first, is anyone here?
[05:33] <kgoetz> hang around, someoen might be abel to help you
[05:34] <mindslant> I can for a bit
[05:35] <mindslant> I've never run a large network either.  I'm thinking I'll need to plug the modem into an edubuntu server, server to big switch box, to all the clients.  I'm guessing at spending about $300.
[05:35] <mindslant> I'm I kinda close or way off
[05:35] <mindslant> *Am I
[05:36] <kgoetz> depends how many clients, if you have cables, what teh switch is, etc
[05:36] <mindslant> Yeah, I figured a lot of variable would come into it
[05:37] <mindslant> I'm thinking ~20-30 clients per room (i.e. server) on cables (cat-5)
[05:37] <kgoetz> switches come in 24 then 48 ports
[05:38] <mindslant> If I'm not running a thin-client scenario, what is the purpose of the server?
[05:38] <kgoetz> usually +2 or +4 for uplinks
[05:38] <mindslant> I know there a lot of noob questions, I've just never run large networks
[05:38] <kgoetz> there isnt one. unless you create a erason
[05:38] <kgoetz> and you can run all the rooms back to a central serrver, if thats sane for you, otherwise  aserver per room or set of rooms
[05:39] <mindslant> So just modem to big switch box huh?  Much simpler.  I'm gaining confidence by the second.  Uh...+2 or  +4 <---what do the numbers mean?
[05:39] <mindslant> No big server, no budget
[05:40] <kgoetz> +2 or +4 ports on switches
[05:40] <kgoetz> depends on the switch
[05:40] <mindslant> Oh okay
[05:40] <kgoetz> what sort of modem?
[05:40] <kgoetz> servers can also == proxies
[05:40] <kgoetz> which may be important in a schooll......
[05:40] <mindslant> I appreciate you answering all my silly little quandries.  Proxies are?
[05:41] <kgoetz> used for filtering and speeding up the connection
[05:41] <kgoetz> questions are ok, if they help you make a good impression :)
[05:42] <mindslant> Well right now I'm the 6-9 social studies guy.  They saw my comp. sci background and want a computer guy.  I want to be a linux guy.  It's all coming together
[05:42] <mindslant> So a high speed line comes into the building.  I put that in a proxie.  The Proxie hooks up to switches which hook up to more switches which are located in each class room?
[05:43] <kgoetz> if i wasnt at work, i'd be able to just help you atm
[05:43] <mindslant> Your at work now...thx for the dedication helping
[05:43] <kgoetz> im sort of flicking back and forth between you and our servers ;)
[05:45] <mindslant> So does the reasoning above make sense?
[05:46] <kgoetz> more or less. not knowing any details of the network i cant be 100% 'yeh thats it' of course
[05:47] <mindslant> Yeah, I know I'm just trying to get the concept.
[05:47] <kgoetz> thats abotu it
[05:48] <mindslant> Well good news, I really appreciate it.  I'll just figure out how proxies work and I'm in business kind of
[05:49] <kgoetz> look at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/SquidGuard
[05:49] <kgoetz> it should be pretty much it :)
[05:50] <kgoetz> i used that and a bit extra at my work
[05:50] <kgoetz> my other work ;)
[05:50] <mindslant> Thx :).  I wikipediad Proxies and I get their purpose, now for the details.
[05:51] <kgoetz> see above:)
[05:52] <mindslant> I think I can stumble along quickly enough that they won't realize I'm not sure what I"m doing and fire me.
[05:53] <kgoetz> remember to come and ask. its teh key thing. and loko in the wiki. fair bit of help there and teh site above
[05:54] <mindslant> Can do sir.  I'll let you get back to your real work.  Really, thanks a lot.
[05:54] <kgoetz> its ok, i'm working atm ;)
[05:54] <kgoetz> and if your asking for help, expect to wait a bit
[05:54] <kgoetz> people arnt always around
[05:55] <mindslant> Do you work for ubuntu?  Or a school?
[05:55] <kgoetz> i use ubuntu at a community centre
[05:56] <mindslant> Either it stays open late or your accross the ocean from Texas
[05:56] <kgoetz> heh. the world does corss teh water ;)
[05:56] <kgoetz> *cross
[05:59] <mindslant> I meant you've got to live on another continent
[05:59] <kgoetz> yes, i'm in australia
[06:00] <mindslant> We think of Australia as the bigger Texas
[06:01] <kgoetz> ... i'im not sure how i'mi going to take that
[06:02] <mindslant> It's a compliment.  Every Australian I've met I've naturally got along with.  We love you guys
[06:02] <mindslant> Lots of similar mindsets usually
[06:03] <kgoetz> long as its a good thing
[06:04] <mindslant> I hope to visit someday.
[06:05] <mindslant> It's late here though, I just needed to spitball some ideas to make sure I wasn't about to bite off more than I could chew or that I wasn't way off track.  I really appreciate all the help. g'night sir.
[06:06] <kgoetz> later mate, sleep well :)
[07:34] <fxch> I just got a problem when I install Edubuntu yesterday. Could anybody help me?
[07:35] <kgoetz> tell us teh problem, and if someone is able and available tehy will help you
[07:38] <fxch> After I configured the keyboard, the installer checked the CD and told me the CD didn't contain a complete distro
[07:39] <fxch> It happened before the picture of 'IP address' of http://www.edubuntu.org/GettingStarted
[07:40] <kgoetz> is it a custom cd?
[07:40] <fxch> What do you mean 'custom cd'?
[07:41] <fxch> I received them from 'shipit.kubuntu.com'
[07:41] <kgoetz> edubuntu from kubuntu shipit?
[07:41] <fxch> Sorry, it is 'shipit.edubuntu.com'
[07:45] <fxch> Does anyone can solve this problem?
[07:45] <fxch> Sorry, poor english
[07:45] <kgoetz> i'm confused by your error - i havent heard of it before
[07:46] <fxch> I even can't believe it. But it happened
[09:30] <RichEd> hey nixternal ... doin' okay ?
[09:31] <LaserJock> hi RichEd
[09:31] <LaserJock> he seems to be having issues today
[09:31] <RichEd> hi LaserJock ... I picked up your comment on the doc spec yesterday.
[09:32] <LaserJock> mhm
[09:32] <RichEd> I must go through it, but my request to Will was basically:
[09:33] <RichEd> draw up a timeline based process for each dev cycle that indicates what doc work must be done and when, with "triggers" to make sure we start the work in good time.
[09:33] <RichEd> It should include things like "prepare release notes" "ensure that old dosc on wiki / web are updated" "clean out old LP specs that are no longer relevant" etc.
[09:34] <RichEd> Not just tech doc, but all docs asociated with a cycle.
[09:34] <LaserJock> yeah, you can get a bit more detailed like that
[09:34] <RichEd> And the "rule is" dock into ubuntu processes, try not to splinter.
[09:34] <LaserJock> yes
[09:34] <LaserJock> we got that going at the end of Feisty I think pretty well
[09:34] <RichEd> Same as artwork one basically, all about making a sausage machine, and less of a ad hoc seat of the panties.
[09:35] <LaserJock> we just had to blow off the doc string freeze because we were trying to get the first release going
[09:35] <LaserJock> but things like release notes and wiki updating is good
[09:35] <LaserJock> probably will need website update as well
[09:36] <LaserJock> RichEd: did you or ogra happen to prioritize the specs on the Roadmap wiki page?
[09:36] <LaserJock> I was going to suggest when he had his list of high, medium, and low that we should actually do that in the wiki page as well
[09:39] <LaserJock> blah, I gotta get to bed
[09:39] <LaserJock> silly research
[09:39] <LaserJock> don't they know I've got specs to impliment? ;-)
[09:41] <RichEd-1> *reset
 we just had to blow off the doc string freeze because we were trying to get the first release going
[09:42] <RichEd> did I miss anything after that ?
[09:43] <LaserJock> but things like release notes and wiki updating is good
[09:44] <LaserJock> probably will need website update as well
[09:44] <LaserJock> RichEd: did you or ogra happen to prioritize the specs on the Roadmap wiki page?
[09:44] <LaserJock> I was going to suggest when he had his list of high, medium, and low that we should actually do that in  the wiki page as well
[09:44] <LaserJock> blah, I gotta get to bed
[09:44] <LaserJock>  silly research
[09:44] <LaserJock> don't they know I've got specs to impliment? ;-)
[09:44] <RichEd> yep ... the more defined tasks we have, the more places that volunteers can pick up a ball to help
[09:44] <LaserJock> there, that's what you midded
[09:44] <LaserJock> *missed
[09:57] <pips1> good morning
[10:04] <RichEd> hi pips1 nixternal HedgeMage
[10:05] <HedgeMage> hi RichEd
[10:05] <pips1> hi all
[10:09] <RichEd> ping pips1
[10:10] <pips1> pong RichEd
[10:28] <Paul_UK> hi, is there much difference between edubuntu and ubuntu server 7.04, with server edition having ltsp installed?
[10:30] <RichEd> Paul_UK: ogra can answer that best ... te main difference is the \education apps
[10:30] <RichEd> *the
[10:31] <Paul_UK> ok, its just that i have a server running, ltsp is installed and im using the quickstart guide, but now i cant run any clients because of errors, such as : yeah - warning : xrdb command not found; X resources not merged and unable to start X session --- no "/home/paul/.xsession" file, no session managers, no windows managers, no terminal emulators found
[10:31] <Paul_UK> not sure where to go next.
[10:39] <Paul_UK> does edubuntu come with a gui, or is it cli based ?
[10:43] <pips1> Paul_UK: what do you mean by gui? do you mean a desktop environment and graphical applications?
[10:44] <Paul_UK> yep
[10:44] <pips1> There is the edubuntu-desktop debian package... which will provide a gnome desktop environment and educational applications
[10:44] <RichEd> Paul_UK: let me get you the link for the LTSP documentation
[10:45] <Paul_UK> RichEd: you mean the quickstart guide?
[10:45] <RichEd> the whole list ... brb ...\
[10:45] <Paul_UK> RichEd: ok cool
[10:45] <RichEd> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
[10:46] <RichEd> there you go ...
[10:46] <RichEd> note also that you can get good help in #ltsp as this is the core LTSP we bundle
[10:46] <Paul_UK> oh, i know abot that
[10:46] <Paul_UK> *about
[10:46] <RichEd> most folks there are on US time though
[10:46] <Paul_UK> no disrespect, but that documentation is a joke
[10:47] <RichEd> Paul_UK: none taken ... give us feedback ... what's good what's bad what's ugly
[10:47] <Paul_UK> i got an ubuntu server up and running, got dhcp setup and installed ltsp following the quickstart guide.  but now i have a client starting up with pxe and its looking like there is no x-session manager installed.  of which i cant find no mention, of how to administrate "published" thin client desktops.
[10:48] <Paul_UK> coming from a citrix background, well after an hour of working with ubuntu server and ltsp, i wanted to beat someone in the street lol.
[10:48] <Paul_UK> 1 thin client doesnt work because of this : warning : xrdb command not found; X resources not merged and unable to start X session --- no "/home/paul/.xsession" file, no session managers, no windows managers, no terminal emulators found
[10:48] <Paul_UK> so any help would be greatly appricated, otherwise i will download edubuntu
[10:49] <RichEd> our tech types take stuff for granted ... do to them beiing close to the coal face
[10:49] <RichEd> what I can tell you is that LTSP was born in Edubuntu ... and was built as a one process Edubuntu install
[10:49] <RichEd> LTSP is now being generalised to Ubuntu ... and you are in the cusp period
[10:50] <RichEd> the focus on this is ramping up
[10:50] <RichEd> So *my suggestion* would be to install Edubuntu LTSP ... and play around with that ...
[10:50] <Paul_UK> hmm, yeah i understand that.  its just i would love to have this installed in a production environment for next month
[10:50] <RichEd> Then go vanilla Ubuntu if you need to as a 2nd attempt.
[10:51] <RichEd> And by all means, bitch about the missing links ... but do so via email to the edubuntu-devel mail list so we can address.
[10:51] <pips1> Paul_UK: if you want to setup an LTSP server setup, it might be easier to go via edubuntu just now
[10:52] <Paul_UK> pips1: thats the conclusion im coming to, so yeah will just do that
[10:52] <RichEd> Paul_UK: I've been asked to clarify my broad statement above ...
[10:52] <Paul_UK> clarify?
[10:52] <RichEd> The Ubuntu effort to build an LTSP environment stared with the education project  - ogra to be precise
[10:53] <RichEd> We did not start LTSP ... which my earlier comment seemed to imply
[10:53] <Paul_UK> oh i realise that.
[10:53] <Paul_UK> I find its great you guys picked up LTSP and are wanting to bundle it with Ubuntu.
[10:53] <RichEd> Ubuntu tackled getting an LTSP implementation into place to address low spec h/w in resource strapped schools.
[10:54] <Paul_UK> Its just that, going to the server page, it states that LTSP is ready to go for server edition.
[10:54] <Paul_UK> maybe the wording needs to be changed.
[10:54] <RichEd> The distro team is in the process of taking on an LTSP dedicated reource for Ubuntu ...
[10:54] <RichEd> *resource
[10:55] <RichEd> He will look at some of those gaps
[10:55] <Paul_UK> ok, well let me take a look at Edubuntu and then monitor the progress made for the server + ltsp
[10:55] <RichEd> Right now, ogra would be able to help you ... and if somone could document the hand-holding required, that would give us a good Gap analysis
[11:21] <cbx33> anyone got any experience with firewalls?
[11:27] <ogra> Paul_UK, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[11:27] <ogra> Paul_UK, you need a desktop session to log in to ...
[11:29] <ogra> unless you want something special like a fullscreen xterm or something, then just set LDM_REMOTECMD=xterm or so ...
[11:29] <ogra> (in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf)
[11:35] <Paul_UK> ok, thanks will take a look
[11:36] <ogra> Paul_UK, the docs we have are suited for any normal ubuntu desktop install indeed sorry, its an assumption that users knw they need a desktop on the server side, i will fix the docs
[11:36] <Paul_UK> ogra, its cool.  i knew i needed a desktop, but didnt know how to go about it.  im totally new to ubuntu and ltsp, can really only do basic stuff with linux lol
[11:38] <Paul_UK> ogra, does edubuntu have this all configured and a desktop ready to go?
[11:39] <ogra> we're workig on a solution or the server CD by adding the necessary packages but there are some business related probs with that (desktop on long term supported releases will have only 3 years of support while server has 5 so puting these on a CD together is problematic) once these are properly solved we will just have an "install LTSP server" in the server installer
[11:39] <ogra> Paul_UK, yep, if yu have a two network card setup everything will work out of th box in edubuntu
[11:40] <ogra> if you have only one NIC you need to configure /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to match the IP of that one NIC
[11:42] <Paul_UK> ogra: good news to hear about the install LTSP option.  also i have 2 networking cards in the box.  another question, is the LTSP manager in edubuntu or do i need to download and install that?
[11:43] <ogra> ltsp manager isnt functional yet
[11:43] <ogra> its only a proof of concept mockup
[11:43] <Paul_UK> ahhh ok
[11:43] <Paul_UK> hehe just noticed the alpha comment
[11:44] <ogra> in feisty we introduced python-ltsp, it provides all backend functions for ltsp manager, in gutsy i'll connect the gui with the backend stuff
[11:44] <ogra> so in october there will be something functional
[11:44] <Paul_UK> cool
[11:45] <Paul_UK> ok well im downloading edubuntu, hopefully i can get something working soon. i really need up to 40/50 thinclients locally and maybe 20 clients remotely by july.
[11:59] <cbx33> ogra: did I tell you we have someone interested in working on the KDE front end to TCM?
[12:22] <ogra> cbx33, i met some people in spain who expressed interest, who is it ?
[12:31] <cbx33> Yuriy
[12:37] <ogra> ah, right he said that before in here i think
[12:42] <cbx33> yeh
[01:35] <rc55> Hello! :) - I'm working for a small youth club with 10 Windows XP systems and I need a way to block adult / myspace style sites - does anyone have any suggestions? I could quite easily put in a new server to act as a proxy if needed.
[01:36] <rc55> I was just curious as to whether there was a standard way of doing things.
[01:41] <Paul_UK> rc55, your router could have a word list to use to block sites.  otherwise use something like dansguardian with squid proxy
[01:44] <rc55> Paul_UK: funnily enough I could possibly use Ubuntu Christian Edition!
[06:52] <LaserJock> ogra: get my gcompris email?
[08:52] <ogra> LaserJock, i'll get to that tonight, currently i'm poking around in ltsp
[09:21] <Paul_UK> hey there, is there anyway to troubleshoot dhcp server not starting up?  i've change the interface to eth1, eth1 has a static ip, and the dhcpd.conf is setup.  but its not working.  can anyone suggest anything?
[09:22] <Paul_UK> *its not starting up
[09:22] <ogra> it should autodetect the right interace if you didnt fiddle around in /etc/defaults
[09:22] <ogra> *interface
[09:23] <Paul_UK> :) ok will remove what i put in
[09:23] <ogra> paste your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and the ourput of ifconfig -a to a pastebot
[09:23] <ogra> *output
[09:25] <Paul_UK> ah, theres me editing /etc/dhcpd3/dhcpd.conf
[09:26] <Paul_UK> and now dhcpd3 starts
[09:26] <LaserJock> ogra: great, I think as soon as gcompris and tuxpaint go through I'll submit my core-dev application
[09:27] <Paul_UK> and now my pxe client boots up
[09:27] <Paul_UK> thanks ogra
[09:27] <ogra> :)
[09:31] <Paul_UK> well since you are on.  any documentation to setup thinclients?  i have the same issue where i need to install the desktop, so im guessing its yum install ubuntu-desktop?
[09:31] <ogra> well
[09:32] <ogra> s/yum/apt-get/ :)
[09:32] <LaserJock> ogra: you sure you don't want to use yum?
[09:32] <LaserJock> it's tasty
[09:32] <Paul_UK> is the client the same as the desktop iso?
[09:32] <ogra> LaserJock, never tried to be honest, i'm happy with what i got
[09:33] <LaserJock> ogra: I don't blame you :-)
[09:33] <ogra> gar, ltsp-build-client fails on usplash
[09:35] <Paul_UK> ogra? is the apt-get ubuntu-desktop the same as getting the iso?  as im sure i'll break the server and dont want to keep on downloading 470mb
[09:35] <ogra> Paul_UK, ubuntu-desktop is on the alternate CD, get that one
[09:36] <Paul_UK> cool thanks
[09:36] <ogra> *sigh*
[09:36] <LaserJock> uh oh
[09:36] <Paul_UK> good luck
[09:37] <LaserJock> ah, cool
[09:38] <Paul_UK> so ogra, is there some documentation or do people bug you all the time :P
[09:39] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2007-May/001059.html
[09:39] <ogra> Paul_UK, ^^^
[09:41] <tristan_> lala
[09:41] <tristan_> do you ppl only talk about edubuntu?
[09:41] <Paul_UK> yes
[09:41] <tristan_> :(
[09:42] <tristan_> so when i bother you with news about my gaybike you kick my ass?
[09:42] <tristan_> actually gaybike isn't a good name
[09:42] <tristan_> have to give it another name
[09:42] <Paul_UK> gaylord bike?
[09:42] <tristan_> http://fotos.marktplaats.nl/kopen/e/31/z.133bcfee7cac89eb036125488464ec2e.jpg <= that one
[09:43] <tristan_> thought about spacebike too
[09:43] <tristan_> to confuse the police
[09:43] <tristan_> :P
[09:43] <tristan_> so I don't need insurance and license crap
[09:44] <tristan_> and a vehicle registration plate
[09:45] <tristan_> ok
[09:45] <tristan_> sorry for this offtopic shit
[09:45] <tristan_> how do I run ubuntu on it? :P
[09:45] <tristan_> edubuntu, sorry
[09:45] <tristan_> ohw wait.. I have stickers :)
[09:57] <LaserJock> mmmm, free hotdogs and hamburgers at the uni today
[09:57] <Paul_UK> hmm nice
[09:57] <Paul_UK> wish i was there
[09:59] <Paul_UK> oooooohhh yes
[09:59] <Paul_UK> i have a thin client
[10:03] <Paul_UK> ogra, am i right in saying, the thinclients take their desktop from the server?
[10:04] <ogra> right
[10:04] <Paul_UK> ok.
[10:05] <Paul_UK> oh ogra, two more things.  have you ever used thinstation with this and what protocol does edubuntu use, rdp, ica, nx ?
[10:06] <ogra> ssh
[10:07] <sbalneav> Paul_UK: X tunnelled over ssh
[10:08] <Paul_UK> right, i have no way to compare that, as i dont know x over ssh..  is it heavy on the bandwidth?
[10:08] <Paul_UK> and can you turn off the ssh?  to save on that bandwidth consumption?
[10:10] <sbalneav> Well, I guess the first question is, what are you trying to run over, a lan?
[10:10] <sbalneav> X is pretty bandwidth intensive.
[10:10] <Paul_UK> damn
[10:11] <sbalneav> Stub your toe?
[10:11] <Paul_UK> hehe yeah pretty much
[10:11] <Paul_UK> its over a lan, but really wanting something lightweight like rdp or ica
[10:12] <LaserJock> I think in general over lan X is faster
[10:13] <sbalneav> Well, RDP is a Windows only protocol, and ICA is not only windows only, but propriatary to Citrix.
[10:14] <Paul_UK> sbalneav: ica is used by 2x, as far as i know.
[10:14] <sbalneav> If you're worried about bandwidth on your main backbone, the simplest, and easiest way around that is simply to put two ethernet cards in one machine.  Hang the terminals off the second lan card.
[10:15] <sbalneav> Paul_UK: they're using the "free" ica client to connect to windows citrix boxes.
[10:15] <Paul_UK> yeah
[10:15] <sbalneav> You can't connect to a Linux machine with ica.
[10:16] <Paul_UK> i agree with the 2nd card, thats what im doing, but im going to have 40 thinclients, but also wanting to do voip as well.
[10:16] <sbalneav> Well, either way, you'd be looking at updating your backbone.
[10:16] <sbalneav> Is is gigE now?
[10:17] <Paul_UK> if it needs to be, its max 4GB
[10:20] <sbalneav> Well, that should be ok
[10:42] <Paul_UK> hey silly question, whilst i think about it.  can you set specific desktops to groups?
[10:44] <lynn_> i'm having trouble w/ ltsp
[10:45] <lynn_> anybody know how to netboot a powerpc thinclient?
[10:45] <Paul_UK> thru pxe?
[10:45] <ogra> you need a special dhcpd.conf
[10:46] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/dhcpd.conf
[10:46] <ogra> use that one as base
[10:46] <ogra> lynn_, ^^^
[10:46] <lynn_> thanks, i'll try it
[10:46] <ogra> :)
[10:47] <Paul_UK> ogra, is there a way to turn off ssh?
[10:47] <ogra> Paul_UK, you can use XDMCP with the loss odf all security and most of the features (sound/local devices)
[10:47] <Paul_UK> oh need the sound.
[10:48] <Paul_UK> ok last question, can you set a desktop to a group?
[10:57] <lynn_> ogra, do you know what command i should use to boot the thin-client?
[10:57] <lynn_> from yaboot?
[10:58] <ogra> there is a key combo you have to press to make  ppc netboot, i dont know it from the top of my head its a while ago i had to poke on ppc
[11:02] <lynn_> i held down "n", and it flashed a globe for a sec, but then fell back to the hard-drive
[11:12] <lynn_> ogra, did that dhcpd.conf work for you?
[11:16] <ogra> lynn_, yes
[11:16] <john_s> Hi all,
[11:17] <ogra> hey
[11:17] <john_s> Are they're any LTSP guru's local to the NW US on this channel?
[11:17] <john_s> Hey Ogra
[11:17] <john_s> Thanks for the help yesterday
[11:17] <ogra> NW like in north west ?
[11:17] <john_s> yes
[11:18] <ogra> there are some in the east ... maine michigan etc
[11:18] <john_s> I am wondering if anyone else is doing this thing within eyeball distance of me
[11:18] <john_s> yeah, I know that LTSP isn't folks main focus here, but I thought I would ask :)
[11:19] <ogra> well, i just dont know any from the westcoast but that doesnt mean there arent any :)
[11:20] <john_s> yeah
[11:20] <john_s> fair enough
[11:21] <john_s> what part of the world are you in?
[11:21] <lynn_> ogra, did you have to have to specify the hosts specifically in the dhcpd.conf?
[11:23] <ogra> lynn_, i used the file i gave to you 1:1
[11:24] <ogra> john_s, germany
[11:24] <ogra> but 1/3 of the year travelling arond (at least it feels like that)
[11:24] <john_s> Lucky you! I won't bug you anymore sounds like your busy and so am I
[11:24] <john_s> Ah well hopefully thats fun for you?
[11:25] <ogra> indeed it is
[11:25] <john_s> kewl
[11:25] <ogra> building edubuntu and promoting it is the best job i can imagine ;)
[11:25] <john_s> I would imagine so, it seems like a neat, eclectic crowd
[11:26] <john_s> also good for the world, which is a rare and happy thing
[11:26] <john_s> ok, bye and thanks!
[11:27] <lynn_> ogra, did you get it working with a mac?  i may be doing something else wrong
[11:27] <Meshezabeel> heya, I am creating some language learning software and need to use the Canadian Aboriginal Unicode fonts that are under Character Map. In edubuntu 6.10 none of them show up, in 7.04, some of them show up, but not all of them. What do I need to do to get all of them to show up? For example 1401 through 1406 show up, then 1407 to 1409 are missing, etc.
[11:27] <ogra> lynn_, yes, i got it working with a mac ... what did you do so far ?
[11:28] <ogra> Meshezabeel, if you know font names (instead of numbers) you might be able to find them in synaptic
[11:30] <lynn_> i got an i386 thin client running properly, then did the ltsp-build-kernel on an old mac, it said it built it successfully, but we can't get the ppc thin-clients running
[11:30] <Meshezabeel> ogra, in Character map it shows up as "Canadian Aboriginal" doesn't this mean the font is installed on the computer if it knows it's name?
[11:31] <lynn_> i replaced the dhcp.conf with the one u gave me, restarted the dhcp3-server successfully, but still cannot boot any macs
[11:32] <ogra> Meshezabeel, try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=170141
[11:33] <ogra> lynn_, how did you build your client for the ppc ?
[11:34] <lynn_> i mounted the /opt/ltsp file on a powerpc from the server, then ran ltsp-build-client
[11:34] <ogra> ok
[11:35] <ogra> you need ltsp-server installed on your server as well
[11:35] <ogra> and run ltsp-update-kernels and ltsp-udate-sshkeys
[11:36] <lynn_> i think i already did that, but i'll try again, thanks
[11:36] <ogra> http://elliot.ecowizards.com/wp/archives/2006/05/18/ltsp-booting-old-mac-hardware/
[11:36] <ogra> thats a bit better than the wii doc
[11:37] <ogra> *wiki
[11:38] <ogra> seems the wiki instructions dont wokr on all macs (they are from an G4 ibook)
[11:39] <lynn_> ok ogra, i just tried what u said and i got a "can't read elf" error.  I'll check out that wiki
[11:39] <Meshezabeel> thanks ogra
[11:39] <ogra> cant read elf ? that sounds like a wrong architecture
[11:39] <ogra> are yu sure you got a powerpc chroot in /opt/ltsp ? not i386 ?
[11:40] <lynn_> both folders are in there, how do I make it point to ppc?
[11:41] <ogra> the dhcpd.conf "root-path" needs to point to powerpc for the ppc clients
[11:42] <lynn_> i'm using the one u gave me and it does that for sure
[11:46] <racter> ogra do you have a sample yaboot.conf that you used?
[11:47] <racter> could it be a problem w/that?  we are just using whatever was generated by ltsp-build-client
[11:47] <ogra> hmm, not handy, the script should have generated one though
[11:48] <ogra> so how far does your boot get ? do you see any kernel messages or does it already hang in openfirmware ?
[11:48] <lynn_> can't read elf
[11:48] <racter> it just hangs in open firmware
[11:49] <ogra> (read since 7 months or so)
[11:50] <ogra> racter, i think there is a way t boot from opefirmware in verbose mode so you could see more errors (not sure though)
[11:50] <tristan_> anyone here who can help me with something offtopic?
[11:50] <tristan_> I'm looking for a new haircut
[11:50] <ogra> also check the server logs if you even get requests from the client
[11:51] <tristan_> I was thinking of shaving linux backwards on the back of my head
[11:52] <racter> ogra: we are definitely getting requests showing up in /var/log/syslog
[11:54] <ogra> on tftp as well or only for dhcp ?
[11:54] <racter> how can we check tftp?
[11:54] <racter> i'd like to check that out
[11:54] <ogra> it should show up in syslog
[11:54] <racter> o ok - nothing there
[11:54] <racter> ps aux | grep tftp is empty also
[11:54] <racter> should it be running?
[11:54] <racter> sorry n/m it's running
[11:55] <racter> /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
[11:58] <ogra> no, it shouldnt
[11:58] <racter> sorry?
[11:58] <ogra> it wil break if you run it as a static daemon, it needs to run from inetd to serve kernel and initramfs
[11:59] <ogra> ltsp-server should have set that up for ou during install ...
[12:00] <racter> ok it's set up in inetd; not sure how it got running as a daemon but i killed it
[12:00] <racter> but still can't read elf
[12:01] <ogra> do you see tftp requests now ?
[12:01] <racter> no still no requests in syslog
[12:01] <racter> nothing about tftp in there
[12:03] <ogra> well, that your tftpd was running is a bt strange
[12:03] <ogra> make sure you have disabled it in /etc/default so it doesnt break in the future
[12:04] <lynn_> ok done
[12:08] <racter> any idea what would stop the client from requesting a rom by tftp?
[12:09] <Meshezabeel> tristan_: nah, if you want a decent haircut then you should shave into it supercalifragilelisticexpiealladocious.
[12:12] <Meshezabeel> er, I guess it's spelt: Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
[12:15] <racter> ok i tried running a little tftp session independent of netbooting and there are no messages in syslog about it


[03:09] <ubotu> New bug: #175243 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "screen flickers only if text tty entered (radeon)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175243
[11:23] <ubotu> New bug: #175321 in xorg (main) "slideshow screensaver makes X to crash" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175321
[16:20] <ubotu> New bug: #175588 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "Occasional cursor corruption" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175588
[17:51] <ubotu> New bug: #119417 in xorg (main) "Pointer goes offscreen on non-rectangular dual-head" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119417
[19:11] <ubotu> New bug: #162827 in linux-meta (main) "[MadWifi] denial of service (dup-of: 156203)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162827
[19:21] <ubotu> New bug: #152512 in xorg (main) "Gutsy 7.10 RC - X will not start - warns of low res mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152512
[19:30] <ubotu> New bug: #175685 in xorg-server (main) "VT switching broken in Xorg" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175685
[19:56] <bryce> yay, first cut at the auto-packager done (about 50% successful)
[20:21] <ubotu> New bug: #127173 in xorg (main) "strange Xorg screen blanking control after resume from suspend to disk" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127173
[21:59] <bryce> heya tormod
[21:59] <tormod> hi bryce
[21:59] <bryce> tormod: did a ton of work on the script last night and just checked it in about an hour ago
[22:00] <tormod> I'll check it out
[22:00] <bryce> dummied up a webpage too - http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/BFAXoGHP/results.html
[22:01] <bryce> now that I got it this far, I'm going to be shifting focus to getting the xorg-server backport completed for UME; I think the auto script builds enough of my dependencies I can do it now
[22:02] <tormod> ume?
[22:02] <bryce> ubuntu mobile edition
[22:02] <bryce> they need bleeding edge xephyr to do some 3d app development for embedded stuff
[22:03] <bryce> (that was the primary reason for me putting in time with this script, although I also wanted to see it in general for lots of other needs)
[22:04] <bryce> I think the script's to a point where it might be able to auto-build all the various drivers as well, but I've not given that a shot yet
[22:46] <tormod> bryce: all the failing builds with "No available dir ../xsfbs from" - is it just because Debian has dropped xsfbs for those packages?
[22:47] <bryce> I think so yeah
[22:47] <bryce> I tried just having the script manually copy xsfbs into place, but it's not working... not sure why
[22:47] <tormod> that would get you to 90% I think :)
[22:50] <bryce> exactly my thinking
[22:50] <bryce> actually I think it'll take me to 80%
[22:51] <bryce> then there's some packages that have some mis-mapped package names that should be easy to fix, so that should do another 5-10%
[22:51] <bryce> and probably I can squeeze a few more merge workarounds to make up whatever's left


[09:25] <Ashiren> 3: https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aA0P9dR_460swp.webp
[11:26] <Ashiren> :3 https://i.redd.it/vlhs4ym8m5z91.jpg
[20:15] <Ashiren> :3 https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a9qYmpD_460svav1.mp4


[19:34] <tsimonq2> I really wish that when selecting a lot of packages in Launchpad, that I could use Ctrl (or Shift, whatever it is) Click to select a lot of them
[19:34] <tsimonq2> it's a real PITA to select a bunch of checkmarks :?
[19:34] <tsimonq2> *:/


[01:57] <ahoneybun> Riddell: ovidiu-florin valorie if we use readthedocs, they have support for mobile
[01:58] <Riddell> ahoneybun: how can you care about docs at a timelike this?!
[01:58] <ahoneybun> que
[01:58] <Riddell> haven't you seen the political landscape!
[01:58] <Riddell> it's not a tsunami it's an extinction event!
[01:58] <ahoneybun> it's my job?
[01:59] <ahoneybun> they support github
[02:21]  * ahoneybun is falling in love with RTD's
[03:45]  * Etriaph lovingly caresses a picture of Dolphin with working Places
[03:56] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: Do you mean ReadTheDocs?
[04:27] <ScottK> Riddell: Extinction of what?
[04:31] <ScottK> I guess he meant "out-and-out disaster that threatens the existence of the Labour Party in Scotland".
[04:31] <ScottK> (quote from BBC news)
[06:44] <ovidiu-florin> ScottK: you've said something about poking debian for an update of python-svn
[07:58] <akanouras> Dear Kubuntu Devs, could https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/1450137 be considered for an SRU?
[08:03] <sitter> Mirv: thoughts ^
[08:07] <Mirv> sitter: sounds good, if there's not much regression potential
[08:09] <sitter> Mirv: looks relative straight forward. worst regression potential is something getting slower because screen change signals are emitted a gazillion times per second ^^
[08:12] <Mirv> sitter: I can take care of it but it might take a while since there is another qtbase landing already in a PPA and I need to first check when that goes to wily, then this to wily, then a backport...
[08:12] <Mirv> s/qtbase/qtdeclarative/
[08:12] <kubotu> Mirv meant: "sitter: I can take care of it but it might take a while since there is another qtdeclarative landing already in a PPA and I need to first check when that goes to wily, then this to wily, then a backport..."
[08:14] <sitter> Mirv: not much to be done about that I guess. I am doing the SRU paperwork right now
[08:15] <Mirv> sitter: thanks
[08:17] <akanouras> sitter, Mirv: Thanks for your time! I'll be watching the bug and can test ASAP if/when needed. :D
[08:18] <sitter> shadeslayer: http://blog.gemnasium.com/post/118186520636/security-alerts-go-free \o/
[09:14] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: it's wily, not willy, really :)
[09:14] <Mamarok> totally different meaning
[10:09] <Tm_T> I'm with jospoortvliet in Helsinki at Happy Hacking Day
[10:10] <Tm_T> his turn to take the stage, I might be next, awww
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:20] <shadeslayer> sitter: huh :D
[19:16] <Guest86471> Hi Folks tis Sick_Rimmit in disguise - Do a live demo for Exeter Lug
[19:16] <Guest86471> Telling everyone about you friendly people
[19:17] <Guest86471> Say hi
[19:18] <yofel> I think most are having an usual friday and are k.o. ;)
[19:18] <yofel> hey
[19:18] <Guest86471> yofel: Hello
[19:19] <Guest86471> Are gone to the Pub
[19:19] <Guest86471> :-)
[19:21] <Guest86471> Going to show off Kubunut CI now
[19:22] <sick_rimmit> Oh look im in here too
[19:22] <genii> Exeter England or Exeter Canada?
[19:22] <Guest86471> England
[19:23] <genii> Ah. I'm near the other :)
[19:24] <sick_rimmit> genii: Oh well you can join us on Google+
[19:24] <Guest86471> exeter.lug.org.uk
[19:29] <soee> hiho
[19:33] <sick_rimmit> soee: Hello
[19:36] <ahoneybun> hey sick_rimmit
[21:13] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: If I haven't sent it already, here's my blog post http://ovidiu.geekaliens.com/en/2015/05/08/plasma-5-and-kf5-demo-at-uos-2015/
[21:13] <ovidiu-florin> I forgot


[00:56] <charles> Good day, trying to log in to launchpad.net to report problems to the Hugin development team. Launchpad won't let me log in, error code: (Error ID: OOPS-7889055944f65c11dfd893effd1e74df)
[10:26] <cjwatson> charles: I don't know if you'll see this, but I've fixed your account now
[10:29] <cristiangsp> that explains why I was seeing it properly set up now. Thanks Colin!


[02:40] <jalcine> mhall119: I think you should express the importance of D-Bus in Linux in your documentation quest for developers.
[02:40] <jalcine> It can save them tremendous amounts of time and allows them (almost all of the time) to code in their language of choice.
[02:48] <mhall119> jalcine: I'm focusing on the APIs were going to support
[02:49] <mhall119> and also what I could find documentation on
[03:00] <jalcine> If you find anything specific of Unity's Dash and querying it, please ping.
[03:00] <jalcine> I've been searching for quite some time and not being able to exactly download the code (on this slow connection) is a bit hard.
[03:01] <mhall119> jalcine: you mean responding to a search, or initiating one?
[11:21] <jarek___> Hello
[11:21] <jarek___> are Ubuntu Store apps allowed to have dependencies from Multiverse repository?


[17:43] <MarkDude> Zombie survival guide http://opensource.com/
[18:28] <MarkDude> akk >>> Zombie survival guide http://opensource.com/
[18:31] <akk> heh
[18:31] <akk> I like the graph ... had the impression zombie refs had exploded but it's nice to see the data.
[18:38] <MarkDude> I was amused to see it on OpenSource
[18:39] <akk> I'm still fuzzy on the open source connection.
[19:29] <MarkDude> akk, as near as I can tell, there is none
[19:29] <MarkDude> Well minus the licensing


[05:45] <MarkDude> Yay, ML reminders
[05:46]  * MarkDude foregets he has subscribed to said list, until this time of month
[17:16] <BotenAnna> well now i know what it feels like to be religious
[17:16] <BotenAnna> i just found an ubuntu logo on the bottom of my tea mug
[17:16] <BotenAnna> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-upiWp-1KsqA/Tte1Kpl_wFI/AAAAAAAABYE/x-3_1eOYluk/s640/IMG_20111201_091001.jpg
[17:17] <pleia2> hehe
[17:17] <BotenAnna> shuttleworth, who be at canonical, spaceman be thy name
[17:19] <akk> It's a miracle! :)


[00:15] <Elleo> viejotren: http://developer.ubuntu.com/scopes/
[00:41] <viejotren> thanks Elleo
[00:45] <Elleo> no problem :)
[08:10] <dholbach> good morning
[08:11] <akiva-thinkpad> moaning
[08:16] <Mirv> bzoltan_: can you comment on nik90_'s branch https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-seeds/add-qml-connectivity/+merge/237442 regarding adding our connectivity-api's QML module to the seed?
[08:17] <Mirv> nik90_: oh, btw, could you rebase it now to vivid since it has stuck there?
[08:59] <seb128> hey there
[08:59] <seb128> do we have a tutorial on how to run your simple touch app on a device from qtcreator?
[08:59] <seb128> I tried to run/deploy from qtcreator (on vivid) without luck, it looks like it tries to ssh to the device but fails
[09:10] <mivoligo> mzanetti: hi :)
[09:11] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  OK, I take a look
[09:13] <bzoltan_> seb128:  it should work out of box without any magic
[09:16] <seb128> bzoltan_, it doesn't (device is a krillin on current rtm image), how can I debug what is not working?
[09:17] <bzoltan_> seb128:  your environment might be broken. is the device dev enabled?
[09:17] <seb128> yes
[09:17] <seb128> I can adb to it
[09:17] <bzoltan_> seb128: good
[09:17] <bzoltan_> seb128: clean up the ~/.config/QtProject
[09:19] <bzoltan_> seb128: remove the ssh keys from ~/.config/ubuntu-sdk and from the device
[09:19] <bzoltan_> seb128: and redecet the device from the devices page
[09:24] <seb128> bzoltan_, hum, now qtcreator only lists an emulator and not the krillin anymore
[09:24] <Mirv> bzoltan_: thanks
[09:25] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Day With(out) Art Day! :-D
[09:27] <seb128> ok, dev mode was off, it's back on
[09:28] <seb128> bzoltan_, do I need to click on some of the "execute" buttons for things like "setup public key auth"?
[09:37] <bzoltan_> seb128:  no, it is automatic
[09:38] <bzoltan_> seb128:  just plug in and it is ready to play
[09:39] <seb128> bzoltan_, "run" should run on the device? qtcreator output's log has
[09:39] <seb128> "Warning: Permanently added '[<IP_ADDRESS>]:10000' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
[09:39] <seb128> Received disconnect from <IP_ADDRESS>: 2: Too many authentication failures for phablet"
[09:39] <seb128> and nothing runs neither on the device nor on the desktop
[09:39] <bzoltan_> seb128:  your ssh keys and pairing is busted
[09:40] <seb128> bzoltan_, I just deleted the config on both sides
[09:40] <seb128> how do I redo pairing?
[09:40] <seb128> should I install openssh-server on the device?
[09:40] <bzoltan_> seb128: it is installed
[09:41] <seb128> why does it try to connect to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[09:41] <bzoltan_> seb128:  what you see is an ssh issue, it can be caused by many things
[09:41] <seb128> that's localhost, not the device
[09:41] <bzoltan_> seb128:  the device ports are forwarded
[09:44] <bzoltan_> seb128:  the device connectivity is adb+ssh
[09:44] <seb128> bzoltan_, it's giving me a "too many auth failure", do you know how those are stored?
[09:44] <seb128> what to reset?
[09:47] <seb128> bzoltan_, it looks like it tries to ssh to my local desktop and not to the device
[09:49] <bzoltan_> seb128:  it connect to the device vi the ports the device  forwarded to your localhost
[09:50] <seb128> bzoltan_, how can I debug that not working?
[09:50] <bzoltan_> seb128:  we do not have usb net
[09:50] <seb128> bzoltan_, can I run a ssh command by hand to debug it?
[09:51] <bzoltan_> seb128: you ca try to ssh into the device from the devices page
[09:52] <seb128> bzoltan_, that open a command line for a second and close it
[09:52] <seb128> I can't see what is wrong, it's closing before
[09:52] <seb128> not sure if there are logs somewhere
[09:53] <mzanetti> mivoligo: hi
[09:53] <bzoltan_> seb128:  the logs are on the logs window or in the logs tab
[09:54] <bzoltan_> seb128:  but yes, you ca try from commandline, but you will see the same message.
[09:54] <mivoligo> mzanetti: great work with the zoom in effect on the level start!
[09:54] <seb128> bzoltan_, to what port do I need to ssh? how do I see what port have been fwded?
[09:54] <mzanetti> mivoligo: cool, thanks.
[09:54] <bzoltan_> seb128:  I remember I have seen the same problem... it is an ssh thing
[09:55] <mzanetti> mivoligo: I started to do the new levels yesterday. found a bug in level2 :/
[09:55] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ?
[09:55] <mzanetti> mivoligo: andi walking in level2 doesn'
[09:55] <mzanetti> mivoligo: andi walking in level2 doesn't fit into the road
[09:55] <bzoltan_> seb128:  adb forward --list
[09:55] <mzanetti> mivoligo: I think the path needs to be moved a wee bit down
[09:56] <mzanetti> mivoligo: I'll push my stuff soon, so you can see it yourself
[09:56] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ok
[09:56] <mzanetti> mivoligo: the underwater world is really cool :)
[09:57] <mivoligo> mzanetti: thanks :) what about the paths on the last 6 levels? DO you want to make them visible?
[09:57] <mzanetti> mivoligo: I'm still not sure about that... you do have a point about the increased difficulty
[09:57] <mzanetti> mivoligo: a friend of mine is playing the game (the old existing 9 levels) all the time. I'll ask him on his opinion
[09:57] <mivoligo> mzanetti: great
[09:58] <mivoligo> mzanetti: also I don't have a really good idea how to do the paths there
[09:59] <mivoligo> mzanetti: what I tried didn't feel right
[10:00] <mzanetti> mivoligo: I would go for a brighter stripe... hard to explain. let me try to find an example image
[10:01] <mzanetti> mivoligo: a bit like this: http://pixabay.com/en/away-path-trace-sand-desert-375842/
[10:02] <mivoligo> mzanetti: that might work
[10:03] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I hope no one will be offended by BSD reference in one of the level ;)
[10:03] <mzanetti> hehe
[10:03] <mzanetti> I don't think that'll be a problem
[10:03] <mzanetti> mivoligo: did you see the new layout in the level selector?
[10:03] <mzanetti> 6x5
[10:04] <mivoligo> yes, pulled yesterday just to check
[10:04] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I think it's even better now
[10:04] <mzanetti> +1
[10:06] <mivoligo> mzanetti: what about the destroying particles? can you use couple images for that or just one?
[10:06] <mzanetti> mivoligo: we can add different images, yes
[10:07] <mzanetti> mivoligo: are you thinking about a mix of images?
[10:07] <mzanetti> mivoligo: or one image per enemy, but different ones for each enemy?
[10:07] <mzanetti> or both? :D
[10:07] <seb128> bzoltan_, ok, it works if I don't use the ssh agent on my desktop
[10:08] <mivoligo> mzanetti: :D I made couple bolds and cogs and stuff
[10:08] <mzanetti> mivoligo: need to play around with the particle effect. not exactly sure how it works yet. but yeah, we can have a mix of images there
[10:09] <mivoligo> mzanetti: what size do we need?
[10:09] <bzoltan_> seb128: good to know... we have to cover that case somehow.  Would you mind to file a bug and describe your setup, please?
[10:09] <seb128> bzoltan_, sure can do, against what component?
[10:10] <bzoltan_> seb128: thank you -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu
[10:10] <mzanetti> mivoligo: good question... I think how it works is that it takes an image, copies that like a 50 times and uses each copy as a particle
[10:10] <mzanetti> mivoligo: depending on the parameters the size of those particles change, they can even grow and shrink during the animation
[10:11] <bzoltan_> seb128:  I have had similar problem long time ago and I have heard few people suffered from the same issue. So i have to address this case. Thank you for discovering the reason.
[10:11] <seb128> bzoltan_, you are welcome, thanks for helping me debug ;-)
[10:11] <mzanetti> mivoligo: I think it would make sense if you play around with it. I can prepare a sample QML file for you that just plays a particle effect and you play with the artwork and tweak the params
[10:11] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ok
[10:13] <mivoligo> mzanetti: another thing on my todo list is the About (info) page. What do you want to see there?
[10:14] <mivoligo> mzanetti: or is there some Ubuntu touch standard already for that?
[10:14] <mzanetti> mivoligo: our names, a list of names generated by the loaded level pack (e.g. credits for the music), the GPL disclaimer and I guess a donate button
[10:14] <mzanetti> mivoligo: there isn't a standard, but nik90_ did something great for fahrplan. let me find the screenshots
[10:15] <mzanetti> mivoligo: check out the first 3 screenshots here: https://github.com/smurfy/fahrplan/pull/139
[10:16] <mzanetti> mivoligo: doesn't need to be the same if you don't want to. just some food for thoughts
[10:17] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ok
[12:07] <uglyandstupid> hi
[12:08] <uglyandstupid> is there a way to put toolBar in the bottom ?
[12:08] <uglyandstupid> instead nf the default top
[12:16] <uglyandstupid> humm it's hardly coded
[12:38] <dholbach> dpm, what do you suggest we do about http://developer.ubuntu.com/web/api/?
[12:42]  * dpm looks
[12:42] <dpm> dholbach, I'm going to ask dbarth
[12:42] <uglyandstupid> is there a way to layout tooBar (ApplicationWindow) in bottom instead of top please ?
[12:45] <dholbach> great
[12:45] <DanChapman> uglyandstupid: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Components.MainView/#useDeprecatedToolbar-prop
[12:46] <DanChapman> uglyandstupid: or you can create one using a Panel component
[12:46] <uglyandstupid> DanChapman: i know, i was just hoping to avoid writing a new component
[13:53] <weeman1337> Hello there, I have some scope dev questions! Anyone here who can help?
[13:55] <davidcalle> weeman1337, I can try :)
[13:56] <weeman1337> davidcalle, thanks!
[13:56] <weeman1337> Here's the first one: Is it possible to limit an image height for a PreviewWidget?
[13:57] <davidcalle> weeman1337, I don't think you can, but that's a question for Saviq if he's around ^
[13:57] <weeman1337> Or alternatively disable scaling..
[13:57] <dholbach> jdstrand, I replied to the merge proposal again - unfortunately it's merged now :-/
[13:58] <Saviq> weeman1337, no, the image height is preset at 22 grid units
[14:01] <weeman1337> Saviq, ok it would be nice if an options for this will be added in the future..  If yes, how do I link them?
[14:03] <Saviq> weeman1337, hmm if you have a small image maybe it's better to use the Header widget and put it as the mascot?
[14:03] <Saviq> weeman1337, the Image widget is really geared towards high quality images
[14:04] <jdstrand> dholbach: yeah, I responded
[14:05] <weeman1337> Saviq, I tried this, but the image will be scaled to fit the mascot height and then left and right parts are missing..
[14:07] <Saviq> weeman1337, you could file a bug for ubuntu-ux so that the design team takes that into account
[14:09] <weeman1337> Saviq, ok I'll do this. Maybe it isn't actually a bug. But then the design may be improved.
[14:12] <dholbach> jdstrand, pindonga is looking into it and will propose another MP
[14:12] <pindonga> jdstrand, hi, thx for your comment
[14:12] <pindonga> was meaning to ask you about it
[14:12] <pindonga> the previous mp was done to unblock some packages having issues to land
[14:12] <pindonga> I'll back these changes out this week
[14:13] <pindonga> not today as I'm in the middle of other stuff, but will have it done by EOW
[14:13] <pindonga> jdstrand, just to confirm.. policy_version is and will be a float (for the foreseeable future)
[14:14] <jdstrand> pindonga: yes. that is an intentional, conscious design decision to have very simple versions for policy_version
[14:14] <pindonga> jdstrand, ack... sorry for the noise... will have it fixed by EOW
[14:26] <davidcalle> weeman1337, sure you can. Look at data/CMakeLists.txt to see how to ship icons. Then, you can access the scope install dir from your code with http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/scopes/sdk-14.10/unity.scopes.ScopeBase/#a32744a21076d9dacc98362412c6a63d5
[14:38] <renatu> dpm, how I can create a translation for "pt-BR" on this project? https://translations.launchpad.net/libusermetrics
[14:40] <dpm> renatu, you need to be a member of Ubuntu Translators, but I think you should at least be able to submit a translation suggestion. If you go to that page, do you have Brazilian Portuguese shown as an empty translation? For this, you'll have to have set Brazilian Portuguese as your preferred language in LP
[14:42] <renatu> dpm, the Brazilian Portuguese does not appear on the list
[14:43] <dpm> renatu, have you specified it as your preferred language? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/QuickStartGuide/FirstSteps#Telling_Launchpad_About_Your_Preferred_Languages
[14:43] <dpm> or directly: https://translations.launchpad.net/+editmylanguages
[14:44] <renatu> dpm, I clicked on " View all languages"
[14:44] <dpm> right, but have you done that? ^
[14:46] <renatu> dpm, ok now is showing a empty "Brazilian" translation, thanks
[14:46] <renatu> dpm, I will submit some suggestions
[14:47] <dpm> excellent
[15:09] <ahayzen> kenvandine, ping
[15:09] <kenvandine> ahayzen, pong
[15:09] <ahayzen> kenvandine, Hey, I've been playing about with Bacon2d and was wondering what is the best way of creating a semi-circle which is dynamic or can collide with dynamic/static objects.
[15:09] <kenvandine> ahayzen, give me a few, in a meeting
[15:09] <ahayzen> kenvandine, no problem :)
[15:21] <dpm> a new contributor to Calendar, nice!
[15:21] <dpm> https://code.launchpad.net/~acerisara/ubuntu-calendar-app/new-event-default-values/+merge/243071
[15:22] <kenvandine> ahayzen, so a semi-circle is probably not trivial
[15:23] <kenvandine> would it matter if it was a fixture that was a full circle just half of it visible?
[15:23] <kenvandine> like for example off the bottom of the screen, etc
[15:23] <ahayzen> thats what i have at the moment...but..
[15:23] <ahayzen> if i make it dynamic then it 'sits' on the 'ground' as a circle?
[15:24] <ahayzen> and if i have it as static then i can't enforce gravity on it
[15:24] <kenvandine> you could make it not collide with the ground
[15:24] <ahayzen> unless there is a way of cutting the bottom of the fixture off?
[15:24] <kenvandine> so you want the semi-circle to move?
[15:25] <ahayzen> kenvandine, basically the semi-circle is the character...which moves along the bottom of the screen and can 'jump'...then there is a dynamic ball flying around that they hit
[15:25] <kenvandine> ah
[15:25] <kenvandine> cool
[15:26] <kenvandine> ahayzen, i think it's groupIndex
[15:26] <ahayzen> i've just unsure of the best way of doing it... at the moment it is static and then i just move the x and apply a linearVelocity for jumping (but can't get it to 'float' back down)
[15:26] <kenvandine> you can change that, so it doesn't collide with the ground
[15:26] <kenvandine> then you can make the ball collide with both the ground and the semi-circle
[15:27] <ahayzen> would the semi-circle not then just keep falling down and off the screen?
[15:27] <kenvandine> does the semi-circle actually need gravity?
[15:27] <kenvandine> does it need to leave the ground?
[15:27] <kenvandine> can jump
[15:27] <kenvandine> right..
[15:27] <kenvandine> ok, so that makes it trickier
[15:28] <kenvandine> i think you need to create a polygon then...
[15:28] <ahayzen> unless somehow with linearVelocity we can emulate gravity :)
[15:28] <kenvandine> with lots of vertices
[15:28] <ahayzen> that was my other thought :)
[15:28] <kenvandine> that's the right way
[15:28] <ahayzen> guess i can try and figure out something that generates the vertices :)
[15:29] <kenvandine> there's a non-free tool that works well... it's windows, but works well in wine
[15:29] <kenvandine> https://www.codeandweb.com/physicseditor
[15:29] <kenvandine> i'm experimenting with creating an exporter for that which we can read in
[15:29] <ahayzen> oh cool :)
[15:30] <kenvandine> but... basically you can open an image for your semi-circle in it
[15:30] <kenvandine> and have it trace it to create the fixture
[15:30] <kenvandine> then export it for various physics engines
[15:30] <kenvandine> then you could parse the output to get your list of vertices :)
[15:30] <kenvandine> it has a really flexible pluggable exporting system
[15:31] <ahayzen> awesome
[15:31] <kenvandine> so i'm thinking of writing an exporter for it that creates qml :)
[15:31] <kenvandine> for an Entity
[15:31] <kenvandine> but for you now you can just the grab the vertices
[15:32] <kenvandine> Elleo, unless you want to add a feature like that to bacon2d-editor :)
[15:32] <kenvandine> open a sprite/image and trace it :)
[15:32] <ahayzen> hehe
[15:32] <kenvandine> it wouldn't be complicated to do for something like a semi-circle
[15:33] <kenvandine> it gets more complicated for things like terrain
[15:33] <Elleo> kenvandine: heh, sure, if you don't mind it being done at some far distant future date ;)
[15:34] <kenvandine> Elleo, i never complain about people taking a long time to do something in their spare time :)
[15:34] <Elleo> could try running an cv edge detector or something on the sprite
[15:34] <kenvandine> Elleo, have you ever seen PhysicsEditor?
[15:34] <Elleo> kenvandine: nope
[15:34] <Elleo> looks neat
[15:34] <kenvandine> it's pretty nice... but not free... and no linux version
[15:34] <Elleo> ah, yeah
[15:34] <kenvandine> you can use it for free...
[15:34] <kenvandine> but they annoy you into buying it :)
[15:35] <Elleo> reckon I could make an approximation of it with my vaguely remembered computer vision skills ;)
[15:35] <kenvandine> they make you wait to export stuff
[15:35] <ahayzen> kenvandine, anyway thanks for your help i'll try creating it via a polygon
[15:35] <Elleo> sprite's would be far easier to trace than real camera images
[15:35] <kenvandine> right
[15:36] <kenvandine> and... it would make it SOOOO much easier to create interesting stuff
[15:36] <kenvandine> games almost never use just circles and rectangles :)
[15:37] <kenvandine> and if we could just spit out the QML for an entity from it... WOOT
[15:37] <kenvandine> PhysicsEditor includes tweaking the physics properties too, not just tracing
[15:37] <kenvandine> so restitution, density, etc
[15:37] <kenvandine> and simulation
[15:37] <kenvandine> so overlaps with bacon2d-editor
[15:37] <Elleo> yeah
[15:38] <Elleo> it's definitely doable
[15:38] <Elleo> most of my freetime is spoken for at the moment though :P
[15:38] <Elleo> might get a chance to hack on the editor over christmas a bit though
[15:39] <Elleo> although I'd kind of like to rewrite that to save load tiled files instead of pure qml
[15:39] <Elleo> so might do that first
[15:39] <Elleo> (except for the entities, which'd still be qml)
[15:39] <kenvandine> cool!
[15:52] <popey> jdstrand: could you please respond to this app if you have time? https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/114/changerequest/
[15:58] <dholbach> mhall119, I always forget: for lp:developer-ubuntu-com changes to land, do we need IS?
[15:59] <mhall119> dholbach: depends on the page
[16:00] <dholbach> mhall119, https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/1338393/+merge/243299 (community page)
[16:00] <dholbach> here's also https://code.launchpad.net/~mpt/developer-ubuntu-com/bug-861031/+merge/77395 (home page)
[16:01] <mhall119> homepage requires IS, community I think is in the database
[16:01] <dholbach> ignore the latter
[16:04] <dholbach> mhall119, in the database - does that mean it can be landed through the ui somewhere?
[16:13] <mhall119> dholbach: yeah
[16:13] <mhall119> through the WP admin
[16:13] <dholbach> hum
[16:19] <dholbach> mhall119, I found it in the UI, but I can't see a "save" button (or "publish" or whatever)
[16:20] <mhall119> dholbach: ah, it looks like that page is hard-coded in the template as well, so it also requires a change in bzr branch and RT
[16:20] <dholbach> ok, cjohnston approved my MP - how do we move forward?
[16:21] <mhall119> once it's merged into trunk, file an RT asking them to update the WP theme to the new version (I usually specify the version #)
[16:21] <mhall119> IS should know where the code and branch live
[16:23] <jdstrand> popey: I don't have time to do a code review to see if those are safe. account-qml-plugin and account-provider need that right now until mardy updates signon so that they can run under confinement
[16:24] <jdstrand> (sorry)
[16:24]  * jdstrand notes there is no guarantee of timely code audits in the store (there is no staffing for them)
[16:26] <jdstrand> that said, even if there was code to audit, there is nothing saying the binaries in the click were compiled with the source, so...
[16:27]  * jdstrand is talking generally, no about this particular developer
[16:28] <mzanetti> I wish there was a way to link the uploaded source with the compiled binaries
[16:29] <mardy> jdstrand: but account plugins are QML code, so it should definitely be in the click; the only thing to pay attention for, is that it doesn't import a C++ module
[16:29] <mzanetti> but that would require building on the server... so I figure it's not something that can be done easily
[16:29] <jdstrand> that's true of qml-plugin and provider?
[17:39] <ahayzen_> kenvandine, if i go above 8 vertices i get "Polygon: Invalid number of vertices: 9" is this correct? the docs state "A polygon must have 3 or more vertices." but no maximum
[17:44] <wxl> hacksummit.org, a free online dev conference, just started, folks
[19:15] <dpm> popey, balloons, mhall119 -> http://developer.ubuntu.com/2014/12/the-showdown-deadline-is-approaching-get-your-scopes-ready
[19:25] <balloons> oO
[19:39] <zmaj> hello guys..I just finished my own web browser...I just need to find nice icons and to polish it a little :D
[20:00] <davmor2> ahayzen_: Hey dude I'm having an issue with one particular album, The details show correctly in the scope but if I click on play album nothing open, if I then select the album from the list it shows no track, the tracks are there in the folder and show on the scope so not sure what is going on :)
[20:01] <ahayzen_> davmor2, is it an album with various artists?
[20:01] <ahayzen_> davmor2, that sounds like a bug we were just fixing
[20:01] <davmor2> Adele 21 I don't think there are various artists on it
[20:01] <davmor2> ahayzen_: ^
[20:01] <ahayzen_> davmor2, eg bug 1377510 or bug 1393907
[20:02] <ahayzen_> davmor2, hmm ok ... i would be interested if the tweaks may have fixed your case as well
[20:02] <ahayzen_> otherwise that sounds strange
[20:02] <davmor2> ahayzen_: haha :)
[20:03] <ahayzen_> davmor2, are you able to take the latest version of lp:music-app ?
[20:03] <popey> i have the same album here
[20:03] <popey> plays fine
[20:03] <ahayzen_> it depends if albumArtist has been set in the metadata itself
[20:03] <ahayzen_> which depending how you have ripped/sourced the file may vary ;)
[20:03] <davmor2> ahayzen_: it is from 7 digital
[20:03] <ahayzen_> uhoh lol
[20:04] <ahayzen_> oh unless ur hitting that ms2 issue
[20:04] <ahayzen_> davmor2, are you on vivid or rtm?
[20:04] <davmor2> ahayzen_: rtm
[20:04] <popey> downloaded on the phone?
[20:04] <ahayzen_> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?distro=ubuntu-rtm&q=landing-001
[20:04] <davmor2> popey: no through u1 music store as was on downloaded in Rhythmbox
[20:04] <ahayzen_> oh ok not ^^ then :P
[20:05] <ahayzen_> davmor2, either you could try the latest version to see if it has fixed it...or ping across the actual track to me and i can try it on mine with the latest
[20:06] <davmor2> I'm wondering if it is the newly added media bug, I had added a new directory to the sdcard to store all the muziks in :)
[20:07] <ahayzen_> davmor2, if it works after restarting your phone then yes it is
[20:07] <davmor2> I'll try that first then look at the latest musicplayer trunk
[20:07]  * ahayzen_ wonders why that silo has not landed
[23:48] <ahoneybun> hey akiva-thinkpad
[23:48] <akiva-thinkpad> hey ahoneybun
[23:48] <ahoneybun> almost have 70 users
[23:48] <akiva-thinkpad> greg kroah hartman is doing an AMA on reddit
[23:49] <akiva-thinkpad> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2ny1lz/im_greg_kroahhartman_linux_kernel_developer_ama/
[23:49] <akiva-thinkpad> woah
[23:49] <akiva-thinkpad> i'm pretty surprised there is that many
[23:49] <ahoneybun> yea lol
[23:49] <akiva-thinkpad> very interesting
[23:57] <ahoneybun> yea I did not expect that many users