[12:20] <intelikey> well again implies a break.   more of implies contenuity
[12:21] <BluesKaj> implications aside .. enuff is enuff :)
[12:21] <kazon> hi guys
[12:21] <intelikey> and yes symantic to a fault
[12:23] <intelikey> possably even pedantic
[12:24] <BluesKaj> I'm still trying to figure out how to make kubuntu recognize my ATI TV Wonder Pro Card ...I've edited the modeles etc , cx88 , card=4 , tuner=44 etec etc , but nothing seems to stick
[12:24] <BluesKaj> err modules
[12:26] <intelikey> please clearify the last phrase "but nothing seems to stick"   ?
[12:26] <nahemoth__> I can't type unicode characters in amsn, could you help me with it
[12:27] <roland> hello
[12:27] <roland> anybody here how can help me with mythtv and dvb-s?
[12:28] <BluesKaj> dunno how to explain it , but I've folowed the tutorials available to edit the /etc/modprobe.d file to activate the card but TVtime still won't run
[12:28] <BluesKaj> !mythtv
[12:28] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[12:29] <intelikey> BluesKaj ok, that's what i was asking,  you threw me with "but nothing seems to stick"     thought you meant it would be changed back upon reboot or something.
[12:29] <BluesKaj> sorry didn't mean to mislead you, intelikey
[12:30] <aliasrush> anyone get kubuntu working with ati+xgl+beryl??
[12:30] <BluesKaj> !beryl-ati
[12:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beryl-ati - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:30] <BluesKaj> !beryl
[12:30] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:30] <intelikey> IF! it had been that.   chattr +i path/to/filename    will make it "stick"   unfortunately that wasn't the issue.
[12:31] <intelikey> just mentioned ffr
[12:32] <fdoving> nite
[12:32] <intelikey> fdoving g'night
[12:32] <BluesKaj> no intelikey , i edited as root and the changes required are still in the file , but I must be missing something ...yuy2 layering etc
[12:32] <roland> @ubotu, thanks for the link, if already followed this instruction and everything seems to work. just i get no picture and no sound
[12:33] <intelikey> yeah you're out of my league there.   sorry i can't help with it.
[12:33] <BluesKaj> yeah, it's a difficult one
[12:34] <BluesKaj> np, a lotta ppl don't bother wit tv on their pc's ...can't say i blame them :)
[12:34] <daleach> how do I add somethign to my $PATH permanently not via .bashrc?
[12:35] <intelikey> daleach /etc/profile
[12:35] <daleach> ah /etc
[12:35] <daleach> i thought it was like .profile in ~
[12:35] <daleach> k
[12:35] <daleach> thanks
[12:35] <intelikey> daleach well /etc/  is system wide   ~/.    is user specific.
[12:36] <daleach> right yeah thanks
[12:36] <daleach> wouldn't have made sense there true
[12:37] <intelikey> yes.  you didn't specify the path in question so i'm left making assumptions about your actual needs...
[12:38] <daleach> nah u were right no reason I should have this only being applied to just my user hehe
[12:38] <intelikey> "ask smarter questions, get more smart elics to answer"  homer
[12:40] <BluesKaj> bit of a parabox there "smart questions"  :)
[12:40] <BluesKaj> oops paradox
[12:40] <daleach> also can anyone give me the size they get for du -h /var on their system? so i can make a reasonable estimate if mine is too much?
[12:40] <intelikey> you think ?
[12:41] <cWolfe> http://tvplanner.comcast.net/  anyone with comcast? does this work for you?
[12:41] <daleach> i guess you could just say precise
[12:41] <dr_willis> daleach,  heh 'how big is it?'
[12:41] <dr_willis> :)
[12:41] <daleach> to get rid of the paradox
[12:41] <daleach> 1.5g
[12:41] <intelikey>  54M     /var
[12:41] <daleach> lol
[12:41] <cWolfe> nevermind, i loaded slow
[12:41] <BluesKaj> intelikey, if ya have to ask.....
[12:41] <dr_willis> thers a lot of stuff can get cached there..
[12:42] <daleach> i dunno since i've done some system changes i thought i was getting some crazy back up or somethign going on but..
[12:42] <dr_willis> 630M    /var
[12:42] <BluesKaj> 88Mb here
[12:42] <daleach> i mean its not like its writing to some sort of other duplicate drive so what good is it if there is soemthign like that.... going on in kubuntu that i don't know about.. ?
[12:42] <daleach> it looks like i'm way off
[12:42] <BluesKaj> err looka gain ... 880Mb
[12:43] <intelikey> BluesKaj no sir.   one can be very smart and yet ignorant.    smart refering not to accumulated knowledge but problem sloving ability.
[12:43] <daleach> and I have pretty much NO packages installed....... just base kubuntu few other things
[12:43] <BluesKaj> looks like around 1Gig daleach
[12:43] <daleach> well is there anything in here I can delete?
[12:43] <dr_willis> the apt cache dir can get huge
[12:44] <intelikey> daleach do you want to clear out the package cache ?
[12:44] <ardchoille> dr_willis: Yes, I found that out the hard way.
[12:44] <intelikey> sudo apt-get clean
[12:44] <BluesKaj> yes, ppl with good memories and poor problem solving skills are the norm , I think :)
[12:44] <daleach> yeah I guess I haven't done that in a while
[12:45] <intelikey> BluesKaj possably-ossably-ossably
[12:46] <BluesKaj> <--- no brainiac, just stubborn ...don't give up easily
[12:46] <daleach> okkkkk and that just got me 1.3 gigs thaks guys hah
[12:46] <intelikey> BluesKaj heh an experssion comes to mind.   'common sense is a very uncommon thing anymore'
[12:47] <BluesKaj> yup
[12:47] <hakaisou> question.  how do I mount an iso?
[12:48] <dr_willis> !iso
[12:48] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[12:48] <hakaisou> aha.  thank you
[12:48] <intelikey> daleach you can check in your /var/mail/  to see if that's got lots.   also /var/log/ can grow out of proportion if something is failing and logging a lot.
[12:48] <hakaisou> didn't know that was built in
[12:48] <BluesKaj> hakaisou, try acetoneiso...it's a very good converter
[12:48] <dr_willis> built in? heh :) its just a feature of the broad way Linux handles filesystems.
[12:49] <daleach> after i did the apt-get clean
[12:49] <intelikey> hakaisou always has been in linux.
[12:49] <daleach> i have 192M in var
[12:49] <daleach> heh
[12:49] <dr_willis> not needing some 'hack' like other os'd may need.
[12:49] <masterk> how do I install something from source files?
[12:49] <daleach> so nice job :)
[12:49] <daleach> heh
[12:49] <dr_willis> masterk,  a better q is why doyou need to do so?
[12:49] <ardchoille> masterk: The first task is to check the repos to see if the app is there. Which app is it?
[12:50] <dr_willis> unpack source, ./configure, make, make install :)
[12:50] <masterk> stepmania, it's a game so I doubt it's there
[12:50] <dr_willis> !find stepmania
[12:50] <intelikey> !b-e | masterk been here ?
[12:50] <ubotu> Package/file stepmania does not exist in feisty
[12:50] <ubotu> masterk been here ?: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[12:51] <dr_willis> !find step
[12:51] <ubotu> Found: addresses-goodies-for-gnustep, afterstep, backstep, gnustep, gnustep-back-common (and 36 others)
[12:51] <daleach> what does /var/lib have
[12:51] <intelikey> daleach system files.
[12:51] <masterk> !find ddr
[12:51] <ubotu> Found: kaddressbook, kaddressbook-plugins, addresses-goodies-for-gnustep, addresses.framework, addressmanager.app (and 16 others)
[12:51] <daleach> yeah just looked it up
[12:51] <daleach> k
[12:51] <intelikey> daleach you don't mess with anything /lib/
[12:51] <masterk> !find dancedancerevolution
[12:52] <ubotu> Package/file dancedancerevolution does not exist in feisty
[12:52] <daleach> k yeah
[12:52] <intelikey> or  /*bin/
[12:52] <intelikey> you're sure to break things if you do.
[12:52] <daleach> well i'm a developer to just STILL a lil silly ignorant with the *nix dir structure hehe
[12:53] <daleach> normally i'd have not asked about a /lib but with respect to /var
[12:54] <masterk> I got me an issue while running ./configure
[12:54] <intelikey> yes that's why i mentioned that.    in *nix'dom   lib   and bin are pretty much always system binaries
[12:54] <masterk> configure: error: No OpenGL library could be found.
[12:54] <daleach> i take it i don't modify /var/cache either heh
[12:54] <masterk> is opengl a package I need?
[12:54] <intelikey> not manually daleach
[12:55] <daleach> right
[12:55] <daleach> k
[12:55] <intelikey> you did modify it with the command
[12:56] <intelikey> even rm -r /var/cache/apt/archives/*      which would seem harmless will leave you wondering why you can't install anything.
[12:56] <daleach> oh that's right the apt stuff is in there
[12:56] <masterk> !find opengl
[12:56] <ubotu> Found: cl-sdl-opengl, libghc6-opengl-dev, libopengl-perl, libopengl-ruby, libtiff-opengl (and 2 others)
[12:57] <daleach> well yeah duh taht's why my apt-get clean
[12:57] <intelikey> simple answer   /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/  is the download dir used by the packagemanager and you awaxed it...
[12:57] <daleach> but yeah i mean ....I understand /var now
[12:57] <masterk> what do I need to run opengl for my game?]
[12:57] <daleach> variable changing stuff
[12:57] <intelikey> yep
[12:57] <intelikey> things that get modified a lot
[12:57] <daleach> but i kind of don't like the fact
[12:58] <daleach> it'd be cooler if there was some sort of... separation
[12:58] <daleach> withhin it
[12:58] <daleach> things like / mail
[12:58] <daleach> from more system stuff
[12:58] <daleach> masterk do u have a 3d graphics card?
[12:58] <masterk> wow I mispelled cries...
[12:58] <intelikey> !ati | masterk
[12:58] <ubotu> masterk: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:59] <daleach> the opengl error will go away or should if u have the right drivers for ur card either ati or nvidia
[12:59] <daleach> depending on what u have
[12:59] <masterk> umm... I don't know but this game ran in windows before I took out the windows hard drive and in case you were wondering I'm running on a thinkpad T22
[12:59] <trakinas> I keep getting that there would be a package conflict, so it cant install anything
[12:59] <masterk> it has a s3 savage card
[01:00] <trakinas> sudo dpkg --configure -a outputs nothings
[01:00] <trakinas> *nothing
[01:00] <masterk> and I also noticed in linux going from one page to another runs really slowly
[01:01] <masterk> so it takes a long time to browse the internet
[01:01] <masterk> anyone have any clues?
[01:01] <masterk> it ran really fast in windows
[01:01] <dr_willis> disable that ipv6 stuff perhaps ?
[01:01] <masterk> how?
[01:01] <dr_willis> !ipv6
[01:01] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[01:01] <dr_willis> :)
[01:01] <masterk> ty
[01:02] <intelikey> daleach i'm not sure you grasp /var/mail   that's system mails not your email account dl dir    your mail client dl's to your $HOME/.clientname/*
[01:02] <trakinas> anyone? Adept insist in confliting packahes...
[01:02] <daleach> masterk i had something like that to get the new drivers I think
[01:02] <mahdi> where would I find the docs on kicker applets? ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker/applets appears empty
[01:02] <trakinas> but dpkg --configure -a dont show any package
[01:03] <ardchoille> masterk: Is this in firefox?
[01:03] <daleach> intelikey i know hah
[01:03] <masterk> konqueror and firefox
[01:03] <chairmeleon> hey
[01:03] <daleach> but
[01:03] <daleach> the system won't die if i delete those right?
[01:03] <chairmeleon> just pulled kde from the repos and found a very odd thing
[01:03] <intelikey> confliting packahes  !=  unconfigured package
[01:03] <mahdi> trakinas: when adept detects a conflict it doesn't install the conflicting package at all, there wouldn't be anything to configure
[01:03] <daleach> they're just log ish right?
[01:04] <ardchoille> masterk: Ah, ok.. well I know you can change some of the pipelining stuff in firefox to increase speed, but start with the ipv6 stuff.
[01:04] <chairmeleon> I can't find the module to configure my screen resolution, refresh rate and stuff like that
[01:04] <daleach> like things like a mail is being sent (because some security breach attempt)
[01:04] <daleach> etc..
[01:04] <trakinas> mahdi: i know, but I used to use dpkg --configure to see which pack is conflicting
[01:04] <intelikey> trakinas   in adept you are trying to install something that confolcts with something already installed   so the package manager is saying 'i cant do that, it will break things'
[01:04] <trakinas> with gimp?
[01:05] <daleach> masterk get the right drivers I had an issue like that with the browser to i think
[01:05] <intelikey> dpkg --configure <<< does not show potential conflicts
[01:05] <trakinas> hmmm.
[01:05] <trakinas> it says the same with superkaramba.
[01:05] <intelikey> trakinas   use   sudo apt-get install <package>
[01:06] <gnomefreak> trakinas: try installing or upgrading the  packages again this time in terminal so you have output
[01:06] <red_> how do I set a desktop icon to a bash command?
[01:06] <intelikey> that will tell you what conflicts
[01:06] <masterk> I will start with the IPv6 stuff first then consult the channel for any other advice
[01:06] <red_> i.e. when I click the icon, command executes? I want this for a java application
[01:06] <intelikey> red_ script
[01:08] <trakinas> there's a not totally installed package, according to apt...
[01:08] <intelikey> red_  echo -e '#!/bin/sh \n\n (your command here) ' > muscript.sh ;chmod 755 muscript.sh
[01:09] <intelikey> trakinas sudo apt-get install -f          so it will finish.
[01:10] <trakinas> intelikey: thanks! more then one year without touching a debian-based distro... hehe
[01:10] <red_> intelikey: cheers
[01:10] <intelikey> ok kids have fun without me.   i'm went.
[01:14] <mau> Is it possible to make KMail only check my inbox when downloading new mail via IMAP?
[01:14] <mau> Right now it checks all of my folders, which takes a long time.
[01:17] <casanovahome> Hi!
[01:18] <mahdi> hello
[01:18] <dr_willis> Moo! :)
[01:18] <casanovahome>  :)
[01:19] <mahdi> anyone know where i can get some information on editing kicker applets?
[01:21] <Sanne> mahdi: what do you mean? Configuring or developing?
[01:21] <mahdi> either/or, the system menu applet is the one i'd like to configure yet has no configure options
[01:22] <masterk> ok my internet is great now, thanks guys
[01:22] <casanovahome> Hi dr willis, do you remember the problems I'm having with my sound?.. Well, I still can't hear any sound after I implemented the command you gave me.  Any other helpful advice you could give?  By the way, thanks for your help so far!
[01:22] <Sanne> mahdi: for development, this may be a good start: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Architecture/KDE3/Panel_Applets
[01:22] <masterk> now... what do I need to get openGL on my laptop so I can play my game?
[01:24] <mahdi> masterk: what is your video chipset?
[01:25] <masterk> s3 savage
[01:26] <mahdi> well you got me there, never heard of it. but you need your video drivers installed and it should work, though I don't know anything about that chipset to be honest, try the forums
[01:29] <ardchoille> !s3
[01:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about s3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:29] <ardchoille> !savage
[01:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about savage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:31] <nrcser> hello, question about mp3 playback, amarok 1.4.5, kubuntu feisty fawn libxine-extracodecs installed
[01:31] <nrcser> it doesn't work
[01:31] <ardchoille> !mp3
[01:31] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:32] <nrcser> hi ubotu
[01:32] <ardchoille> !
[01:32] <ardchoille> !bot
[01:32] <nrcser> i did look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:32] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:32] <nrcser> and even with libxine-extracodecs, i'm not getting playback
[01:32] <ardchoille> nrcser: The https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats is a very nice page
[01:33] <tekky> whats the desktop widget application for kubuntu? I cant seem to find it anywhere and I cant remember enough of its name to  search for it effectively :(
[01:33] <ardchoille> nrcser: I don't think amarok uses libxine-extracodecs
[01:33] <nrcser> it is indeed a very nice page, but the solution didn't work
[01:34] <ardchoille> nrcser: Nevermind, I'm wrong about that
[01:35] <nrcser> ardchoille: that's ok
[01:35] <ardchoille> nrcser: Did you install libxine1-ffmpeg?
[01:35] <ardchoille> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3
[01:35] <ardchoille> Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) -  To play mp3's with Amarok, install the package libxine1-ffmpeg (which will install libmad0 as well).
[01:37] <nrcser> ardchoille: i do have libxine1-ffmpeg installed.
[01:37] <tekky> nm, i found it
[01:37] <nrcser> but libxine-main1 is not installed.
[01:38] <Aresilek> How can I set up World of Warcraft for WINE?
[01:38] <Aresilek> Where can I get wxWidgets?
[01:38] <crimsun> Aresilek: which version?
[01:38] <Aresilek> And does anyone know how to install Planeshift?
[01:38] <Aresilek> 7.04 fiesty
[01:38] <crimsun> Aresilek: no, which version of wxwidgets?
[01:39] <Aresilek> wxWidgets latest
[01:39] <Aresilek> whatever that is
[01:39] <Aresilek> hmm and perhaps 2.4 as well
[01:39] <Aresilek> i find 2.4 easier to use
[01:39] <crimsun> 2.4 is wxwindows, not wxwidgets.
[01:39] <crimsun> 2.6 and 2.8 are wxwidgets
[01:40] <crimsun> 2.6 and 2.8 are not necessarily runtime compatible, hence you need to be very specific.
[01:41] <crimsun> well, I'll let you break your own system. The package names are libwxgtk2.6-0 and libwxgtk2.8-0, respectively.
[01:42] <crimsun> if you want to _compile_ wxwidgets programs, you want libwxgtk2.6-dev and libwxgtk2.8-dev, respectively.
[01:42] <alatriste> hi people
[01:43] <alatriste> some program for dvd covers in kubuntu?
[01:44] <jimmy> Can anyone answer some questions about KMyMoney?
[01:45] <defcon_> i dont have a wine menu in kde
[01:45] <defcon_> I have wine installed
[01:45] <defcon_> shows up in gnome, why not kde?
[01:45] <defcon_> is there something I need to install for this
[01:46] <dr_willis> hmm ive seen the wine menu under kde
[01:47] <defcon_> dr_willis, any ideas why not on mine?
[01:47] <Aresilek> sorry crimsun, i went afk
[01:47] <dr_willis> defcon_,  nope.
[01:48] <Aresilek> so getting both 2.6 and 2.8 can actually damage by system?
[01:48] <crimsun> Aresilek: no, it won't damage your system.
[01:48] <Aresilek> then what?
[01:49] <masterk> where do I get themes an add-ons?
[01:49] <crimsun> Aresilek: you're not clear on what you're attempting to do, so I covered both common use cases.
[01:49] <dr_willis> check the pakcage manager. theres a lot of themes and extras not installed by default
[01:49] <Aresilek> [19:41:40]  <crimsun> well, I'll let you break your own system. The package names are libwxgtk2.6-0 and libwxgtk2.8-0, respectively.
[01:49] <crimsun> Aresilek: scroll up and read what I typed regarding the package names for 2.6 and 2.8.
[01:49] <dr_willis> then theres the kde-look.org site
[01:50] <Aresilek> u said break my system
[01:50] <crimsun> Aresilek: yes, I have no idea what you're attempting to do, so I gave you the information you need.
[01:50] <Minataku> Heya, dr_willis
[01:50] <dr_willis> hi
[01:51] <Aresilek> so it sounds like if i getting this right, just to RUN wxwidgets programs i must get those libraries
[01:51] <Aresilek> as it seems that's what is neccessary in linux
[01:51] <Minataku> Correct
[01:51] <Minataku> It's necessary in Windows, too
[01:51] <crimsun> Aresilek: you need one of those, yes, and it will pull in necessary dependencies.
[01:51] <Minataku> It's just harder to tell
[01:51] <Aresilek> :-S
[01:51] <Minataku> Windows uses DLLs for the same functionality
[01:52] <Minataku> Aresilek: It makes individual binaries smaller to dynamically link them
[01:52] <Aresilek> but i dont need to distribute my programs with any dlls....
[01:52] <Minataku> The side effect is that the proper libraries must be available at runtime
[01:52] <Dekkard> wxwidgets is pretty small
[01:52] <Minataku> It's a good thing, trust me
[01:52] <Minataku> A lot better than having every binary on the system statically linked
[01:52] <juifsournois> hi, i keep getting errors when trying to compile software on kubuntu with jack support (i have everything jack installed) and google is proving useless on this issue. any ideas?
[01:53] <Aresilek> so, now to compile my programs i need something else?
[01:53] <Minataku> That is, needed parts compiled in, which would make all the binaries insanely huge
[01:53] <crimsun> juifsournois: do you want us to guess the error messages? :)
[01:53] <crimsun> (use pastebin)
[01:53] <Aresilek> [19:42:39]  <crimsun> if you want to _compile_ wxwidgets programs, you want libwxgtk2.6-dev and libwxgtk2.8-dev, respectively.
[01:53] <Minataku> Those are the -dev packages
[01:53] <Dekkard> juifsournois:  yo need to install build-essential
[01:53] <Minataku> Kubuntu separates the runtime needs from the development needs
[01:53] <Minataku> To add extra size consideration
[01:55] <juifsournois> no i just wanted to see if it sounded familiar :)
[01:55] <juifsournois> what is build-essential ?
[01:55] <juifsournois> (wich im installing)
[01:56] <juifsournois> ill pastebin the msg
[01:56] <enemyz> Im having a problem; when I try to use adeptmanager or do apt-get, it says that the root is already used by another program. Ive checked, dubblecheked and there is no other program using it.
[01:56] <defcon_> my wine menu in kde dissapeared, how do I get it back
[01:57] <Aresilek> if i get the dev packages do i still need to get the runtime libraries?
[01:57] <enemyz> Or, well, Ive looked in the differnt terminals and desktops and cant se anyone.
[01:57] <Minataku> Uh... I don't know that, Aresilek
[01:57] <crimsun> Aresilek: the dev packages depend on the runtime ones.
[01:58] <Minataku> There ya go
[01:58] <juifsournois> http://pastebin.ca/514919
[01:58] <Minataku> Get both
[01:58] <Minataku> Problems solved
[01:58] <crimsun> (it's useless to have static libs and headers without their corresponding runtimes)
[01:59] <Minataku> All you need are the libs and headers and you're set for both tasks
[01:59] <Minataku> But Kubuntu may do things differently
[01:59] <Minataku> And apparantly it does
[02:00] <Aresilek> :-S
[02:00] <Minataku> Aresilek: Just get all those and you should be set
[02:00] <Aresilek> when u say kubuntu do you mean*ubuntu (ubuntu, kubuntu, edubutu, etc?)
[02:01] <Minataku> Yeah
[02:01] <Minataku> I usually say *buntu when I mean them all, but I goof sometimes
[02:01] <BluesKaj> well kubuntu should be ubuntu-kde
[02:02] <Aresilek> so do get those packages i can do an apt-get?
[02:02] <BluesKaj> ubuntu is ubuntu-gnome
[02:02] <Minataku> Kubuntu should be Ubuntu... GNOME is crap
[02:02] <crimsun> Minataku: erm, no, that's why Kubuntu exists. :-)
[02:02] <Minataku> Heh
[02:02] <BluesKaj> Minataku, it's a matter of taste
[02:02] <Minataku> I'm just saying, why should the better DE have the secondary distro? ;3
[02:02] <nrcser> hey ardchoille, still there?
[02:02] <crimsun> it is -not- a "secondary distro"
[02:03] <Aresilek> :-O
[02:03] <Minataku> crimsun: Most people will think of or mention "Ubuntu" first
[02:03] <crimsun> that's those people's problem.
[02:03] <Minataku> "Kubuntu" typically gets the "second banana" status
[02:03] <Minataku> I always suggest Kubuntu
[02:03] <Minataku> Specifically
[02:03] <Aresilek> i agree Minataku, kubuntu should be ubuntu and ubuntu should be gubuntu
[02:04] <Minataku> See? This guy gets it? XD
[02:05] <Aresilek> :-D
[02:06] <Grant> if I'm running windows through VMWare, will installing the windows drivers change anything?
[02:07] <darryl_> Grant: huh?
[02:07] <Grant> like gfx card driver
[02:07] <darryl_> Grant: installl the vmware tools
[02:07] <Grant> I have windows running in vmware right now
[02:08] <darryl_> Grant: yes - i know
[02:08] <Mongey> anyone have urban terror ?
[02:08] <Grant> I'm just wondering if I still need to install the windows video drivers and such
[02:08] <Mongey> cause i cant get it to lauch, 64 bit kubuntu
[02:08] <darryl_> Grant: as I said above - install vmware tools first
[02:09] <Mongey> !commands
[02:09] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[02:09] <Grant> darryl_, oh ok
[02:13] <ace_> !multihead
[02:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about multihead - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:14] <ace_> ubotu: don't worry, someone else might no!
[02:14] <Aresilek> :-D
[02:16] <jack> use eclipse? ;p
[02:16] <ace_> Anyone know where the kde/kubuntu developers hang out ?
[02:16] <n8k99> try #kde-devel #kubuntu-devel ace_
[02:17] <ace_> thx
[02:19] <mas195> I have a quick question if anyone has a moment
[02:20] <n8k99> mas195: ask
[02:20] <mas195> ty, i have a file - staroffice.sh - how do i install it?
[02:21] <n8k99> staroffice.sh is a shell script mas195
[02:22] <n8k99> you need to make certain that it is executeable
[02:22] <mas195> my university provides it as an ms office alternative but no directions how to use it
[02:22] <n8k99> go to the directory its in and chmod + x staroffice.sh
[02:22] <n8k99> then ./staroffice.sh
[02:23] <n8k99> mas195: that should install staroffice-
[02:24] <n8k99> although its is remarkably similar to OpenOffice
[02:24] <mas195> is one better than the other cause openoffice installs with kubuntu
[02:24] <n8k99> and you could also use Koffice pretty succesfully mas1
[02:25] <BluesKaj> as Open Office is to MSOffice
[02:25] <Sanne> mas195: openoffice and staroffice share most of the code. Staroffice has some proprietary additions that aren't in openoffice.
[02:26] <BluesKaj> some ppl sat OO is better than the MS version.... dunno why , i'm not  a user of either
[02:26] <mas195> anything significant that would make star office a better choice than open office
[02:26] <n8k99> mas195: Sun will make money from it!
[02:27] <mas195> i have used ms office, some nice bells and whistles but basic functionality is basic functionality no matter the suite
[02:27] <BluesKaj> OO is less invasive of your oc than staroffice from the remarks i've read
[02:27] <Sanne> mas195: I don't know exactly, but I think those additions are something about the database and also about language tools.
[02:27] <BluesKaj> os and pc
[02:27] <mas195> if that is the biggest difference then i will diregard the star office and stick with oo or koffice...
[02:28] <mas195> are there any CBT's available for learning linux...
[02:28] <Sanne> mas195: I personally wouldn't bother installing staroffice, but I'm not a heavy user of openoffice either, so for me it's more than enough.
[02:29] <mas195> i am enrolled in a virtual university so using the office programs are a necessity
[02:29] <n8k99> mas195: which one?
[02:29] <Minataku> OpenOffice is the free version of StarOffice
[02:29] <Pollywog> anyone else find that ksnapshot leaves a trail of dots when a snapshot of a region is taken?
[02:30] <Pollywog> is there another app that does the same but without the trail of dots?
[02:30] <mas195> the files have to be in word 2003 format but OpenOffice will save files in that format... so it works well enough
[02:30] <mas195> university of phoenix
[02:31] <mas195> ditto
[02:31] <Pollywog> do online universities only have soft subjects?
[02:31] <jrick> i need some help install updates in my kubuntu instalation.  Whenever I try to update with Adept, it gives me an error.  I tried to update with the terminal, but it still doesn't work.
[02:31] <jrick> Heres the output
[02:31] <jrick> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22751/
[02:32] <n8k99> Pollywog: how do you mean?
[02:32] <Pollywog> do they have engineering and science?
[02:32] <n8k99> depends on the school
[02:32] <Pollywog> oic
[02:34] <morpheus> i'm tying to download kernel source, how do i find it?
[02:34] <crimsun> apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
[02:34] <jrick> It worked on KDE 3.5.6, but ever since upgrading to 3.5.7, it hasn't worked
[02:35] <Pollywog> apt-cache search linux-source-2.6
[02:35] <jrick> i'm not sure if it has anything to do with KDE, though, because it seems like an apt problem
[02:35] <morpheus> ahaa, thank you crimsun
[02:38] <jrick> should I ask on #ubuntu?
[02:39] <Pollywog> jrick you could get source and try to compile it
[02:40] <jrick> Pollywog: how?
[02:40] <Pollywog> apt-get source <packagename>
[02:40] <Pollywog> and before compiling it do 'apt-get build-dep <packagename>
[02:40] <jrick> and would this fix the problem so I can use packages again?
[02:40] <BluesKaj> jrick, what kinds of errors
[02:40] <BluesKaj> ?
[02:40] <Pollywog> no it would not, not if your db is corrupted
[02:40] <jrick> it's in the pastebin
[02:41] <enemyz> hmmm... I tried to get some snes emulators using adept, when it asked me to insert the ubunto CD. I cant find it, is there anyway to skip the CD?
[02:41] <jrick> how would i fix that?
[02:41] <jrick> can i reconfigure my database?
[02:41] <Pollywog> it is sometimes possible to fix it
[02:42] <jrick> Pollywog: how would i go around fixing it?
[02:43] <dwidmann> jrick: try running " sudo dpkg-reconfigure hal-info
[02:44] <Pollywog> have you tried 'sudo apt-get check'?
[02:44] <jrick> no output
[02:44] <jrick> no output on check either
[02:44] <Pollywog> k
[02:44] <dwidmann> jrick: then do "sudo dpkg --configure -a"  and if that doesn't work, try running "sudo dpkg --clear-avail && sudo apt-get update"
[02:44] <nahemoth> How do we include the header files in Kdevelop ?
[02:45] <nahemoth> or Kate
[02:45] <nahemoth> ?
[02:46] <jrick> dwidmann: well the first one didn't work, trying the second one
[02:46] <jrick> nope, the second one didn't work either
[02:47] <jrick> isn' there just some nice sudo dpkg-reconfigure <something> that could fix it?
[02:47] <jrick> working with deb's, there usually is
[02:47] <AutoMatriX_> are there soime Kismet-users inside ?
[02:48] <dwidmann> jrick: perhaps sudo dpkg-reconfigure hal-info ?
[02:48] <Pollywog> the only thing I can think of is to install a fake package but it is possible in this case that your system would be rendered unbootable
[02:48] <jrick> tried that.
[02:48] <jrick> didn't work
[02:48] <Pollywog> is that an essential package?
[02:48] <jrick> no, just updates
[02:48] <jrick> the packages are in the pastbin
[02:48] <dwidmann> Pollywog: essential, not necessarily, important, yes.
[02:48] <Pollywog> I wonder if the package itself is corrupt
[02:49] <jrick> then other's would be having the same problems
[02:49] <dwidmann> jrick: try running sudo apt-get clean
[02:49] <Pollywog> because if not corrupt, you could then reinstall the package over the fake one
[02:49] <dwidmann> it'll make it redownload that package ..., just in case yeah?
[02:50] <AutoMatriX_> any kismet users in here ?
[02:50] <Pollywog> fake packages have saved me a number of times
[02:50] <jrick> nope
[02:50] <jrick> E: The package index files are corrupted. No Filename: field for package hal-info.
[02:51] <jrick> should i try asking on #ubuntu or #debian ?
[02:51] <Pollywog> no not #debian
[02:51] <Pollywog> not unless you don't tell them it is an ubuntu system
[02:51] <jrick> ohh, i see
[02:51] <jrick> :)
[02:52] <jrick> they hate ubuntu, don't they
[02:52] <Pollywog> well they don't like to answer ubuntu questions
[02:52] <jrick> what about #ubuntu
[02:52] <Pollywog> yes that might help
[02:52] <jrick> ok
[02:52] <jrick> i'll try that
[02:53] <kane> hey all the sudden on my network drives im getting permison denied when trying to mount them, it worked fine and i rebooted and now, no.
[02:54] <Pollywog> Filename: pool/main/h/hal-info/hal-info_20070402-1ubuntu1~feisty1_all.deb
[02:54] <Pollywog> jrick which hal-info is installed?
[02:54] <jrick> not sure, but it's in the updates
[02:54] <jrick> (that i can't get to)
[02:55] <Pollywog> check /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:55] <Pollywog> for the filename
[02:55] <Pollywog> Filename: pool/main/h/hal-info/hal-info_20070402-1ubuntu1~feisty1_all.deb   < is that it?
[02:55] <jrick> let me check
[02:56] <jrick> uh, i only have two things in /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:57] <jrick> an empty folder and an empty document called lock
[02:57] <Pollywog> how were you doing the upgrade?
[02:57] <jrick> sudo apt-get update
[02:57] <Pollywog> k
[02:57] <jrick> sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:57] <Pollywog> so you must have done 'apt-get clean' recently
[02:57] <jrick> uh, yeah
[02:57] <Pollywog> k
[02:59] <jrick> is there any way to just reconfigure the database?
[02:59] <Pollywog> cd /var/lib/dpkg
[02:59] <Pollywog> jrick
[02:59] <Pollywog> cd /var/lib/dpkg
[02:59] <jrick> k
[02:59] <Pollywog> how many files do you see there?
[02:59] <Pollywog> approx
[02:59] <jrick> about 15
[03:00] <Pollywog> k
[03:00] <Pollywog> good
[03:00] <jrick> and this is good because?
[03:00] <Pollywog> because if it were two or three you would have a bigger problem
[03:01] <Pollywog> hold on
[03:02] <Pollywog> that package is listed as optional
[03:02] <jrick> what package?
[03:02] <jrick> hal-info?
[03:02] <Pollywog> jrick yes
[03:03] <Pollywog> cd /var/lib/dpkg
[03:03] <jrick> what about everything else, like python and stuff
[03:03] <jrick> k, i'm there
[03:03] <Pollywog> then do a 'less status' and look for hal-info
[03:03] <Pollywog> you can use /hal-info
[03:04] <nahemoth> How do we include the header files in Kdevelop  or Kate?
[03:04] <Pollywog> then it will drop down to that line
[03:04] <jrick> it's installed ok
[03:04] <jrick> optional
[03:04] <Pollywog> what version does it say is installed?
[03:04] <jrick> yeah, thought that was interesting
[03:05] <jrick> Replaces: hal (<< 0.5.9)
[03:05] <jrick> Conflicts: hal (<< 0.5.9)
[03:05] <Pollywog> mine says that too
[03:05] <jrick> 20070402-1ubuntu1~feisty1
[03:05] <Pollywog> what is in Version
[03:05] <Pollywog> k
[03:05] <Pollywog> same one I have
[03:06] <jrick> could it be because i have that hal installed?
[03:06] <jrick> not sure if i do...
[03:06] <Pollywog> do not remove hal
[03:06] <jrick> command not found
[03:06] <jrick> it's not on anyways
[03:07] <Pollywog> it is not a command
[03:07] <Pollywog> dpkg -l hal
[03:07] <jrick> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[03:07] <jrick> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[03:08] <jrick> is that bad?
[03:08] <Pollywog> that is all it shows?
[03:08] <jrick> no
[03:08] <jrick> you want everything
[03:08] <jrick> ?
[03:08] <Pollywog> show the part that stats ii
[03:08] <Pollywog> starts with ii
[03:08] <jrick> ii  hal                                     0.5.9-1ubuntu2~feisty1                  Hardware Abstraction Layer
[03:08] <Pollywog> just the one line
[03:08] <Pollywog> k
[03:09] <Pollywog> k this will take a while
[03:09] <Pollywog> I am trying to find something
[03:09] <Aresilek> Does anyone know how to install Planeshift?
[03:11] <hitmanWilly> Aresilek: download it?
[03:11] <daleach> can I have tomcat use sun's jvm if I install the ubuntu tomcat package?
[03:11] <Aresilek> hitmanWilly: i already have
[03:12] <Aresilek> it wont install
[03:12] <Aresilek> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[03:12] <hitmanWilly> Aresilek: what error does it spit out?
[03:12] <Aresilek> hitmanWilly: Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[03:13] <hitmanWilly> Aresilek: there's not much you can do about that other than recompiling it yourself
[03:13] <Aresilek> :-O
[03:13] <Aresilek> what causing it?
[03:14] <hitmanWilly> Aresilek: bad binary design
[03:14] <Aresilek> :-O
[03:14] <Aresilek> what does that mean?
[03:14] <Dekkard> or it could be that there are incompatabilities 2iwth some of kubuntus /ubuntus libs
[03:14] <Dekkard> download the source and see iof you can compile it
[03:15] <Aresilek> :-S
[03:15] <Aresilek> planeshift is a very hard game to compile
[03:15] <Dekkard> what??
[03:15] <Pollywog> jrick
[03:15] <hitmanWilly> Dekkard: i think planeshift only has cvs repos....that'll be fun...
[03:15] <jrick> yeah
[03:15] <Pollywog> cd /var/lib/dpkg/info
[03:15] <Kr4t05> Alright... I'm officially angry at my DVD+/-RW drive.
[03:16] <Pollywog> ls hal*
[03:16] <jrick> hal.conffiles  hal-info.list  hal-info.md5sums  hal.list  hal.md5sums  hal.postinst  hal.postrm  hal.preinst  hal.prerm
[03:16] <Pollywog> k
[03:16] <Aresilek> hitmanWilly: u know of the game right?
[03:17] <hitmanWilly> Aresilek: played around with it a little, but never on my kubuntu box
[03:17] <Dekkard> did you run psclient?
[03:17] <jrick> i'm not the only one
[03:17] <jrick> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=84872
[03:17] <hitmanWilly> Aresilek: so it could be a lib incompatibility
[03:17] <Aresilek> ok :-S
[03:18] <Pollywog> jrick did you do a apt-get dist-upgrade?
[03:18] <Dekkard> did yourun the fixlibs script?
[03:18] <Pollywog> or try to upgrade your distro?
[03:18] <Pollywog> from one to another?
[03:18] <Aresilek> fixlibs script?
[03:18] <jrick> no, did a fresh install of fiesty
[03:18] <Pollywog> k
[03:19] <Dekkard> Aresilek:  there is a whole thread on the forums on installign on linux..
[03:19] <jrick> i did upgrade to kde 3.5.7 though
[03:19] <Pollywog> jrick how did you do that?
[03:19] <Dekkard>  they highlight specific libs problems.. i suggest you do sowe work
[03:19] <jrick> but i don't see how this would make a difference
[03:19] <Dekkard> some
[03:19] <jrick> it's on kubuntu's home page
[03:19] <Pollywog> k
[03:20] <Dekkard> the nex time you deal with 5th party aosftware and have a prollem.. it would be best if you researched it at THAT site.,. they have a forum .. and talk about issues with installing the planeshift client on linux
[03:21] <Aresilek> !paste
[03:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:22] <jrick> Pollywog: oh well, i'll just ask on #ubuntu
[03:22] <Pollywog> k
[03:22] <jrick> this isn't kde specific i don't think
[03:22] <jrick> those gnome's could help me, right?
[03:22] <Pollywog> yes I think so
[03:22] <jrick> k
[03:22] <Pollywog> someone might know
[03:23] <Rictoo> `run cat --help
[03:23] <rafleg`> Usage: cat [OPTION]  [FILE] ...
[03:23] <rafleg`> Concatenate FILE(s), or standard input, to standard output.
[03:23] <rafleg`>
[03:23] <rafleg`>   -A, --show-all           equivalent to -vET
[03:23] <rafleg`>   -b, --number-nonblank    number nonblank output lines
[03:23] <Rictoo> ...
[03:23] <Rictoo> guys
[03:23] <Rictoo> I wanted to ask a question
[03:23] <Rictoo> how do i do math through terminal?
[03:23] <Rictoo> like this won't work:
[03:23] <Rictoo> `run echo 1+1
[03:23] <rafleg`> 1+1
[03:23] <Rictoo> see?
[03:24] <n8k99> Rictoo you could python print 1 + 1
[03:24] <Rictoo> how would I do that?
[03:24] <Rictoo> `run print 1+1
[03:24] <Rictoo> :S
[03:24] <Rictoo> nothing...
[03:24] <n8k99> type "python print 1 + 1"
[03:25] <Rictoo> `run python print 1 + 1
[03:25] <Rictoo> ok
[03:25] <Rictoo> prolly works
[03:25] <Aresilek> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22805/
[03:25] <Rictoo> just not through my bot :p
[03:25] <Aresilek> :-S
[03:25] <Jucato> Rictoo: echo $[1+1]
[03:25] <Rictoo> ok
[03:25] <Rictoo> `run echo $[1+1]
[03:25] <rafleg`> $[1+1]
[03:25] <Rictoo> ...
[03:25] <Rictoo> ok
[03:25] <Rictoo> it works through terminal
[03:25] <Rictoo> <3
[03:25] <n8k99> ah finally an expert!
[03:26] <Rictoo> just not through my bot :9
[03:26] <Jucato> oh you were referring to me? heheh
[03:26] <Jucato> hi n8k99!
[03:26] <Rictoo> `run echo OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG THIS IS MY BOT <3
[03:26] <rafleg`> OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG THIS IS MY BOT <3
[03:26] <Jucato> bash's math is very simple, doesn't do floating point afaik
[03:26] <Jucato> !caps | Rictoo
[03:26] <ubotu> Rictoo: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[03:26] <Rictoo> lol
[03:26] <Rictoo> it was my bot
[03:26] <Rictoo> not me :D
[03:27] <Dekkard> ] /version rafleg`
[03:27] <Rictoo> anyway, thanks all
[03:27] <Aresilek> ur bot wasn't brought up on it
[03:27] <Rictoo> cmon rafleg` let's go somewhere else now :)
[03:27] <Rictoo> `part #kubuntu
[03:27] <Rictoo> :)
[03:27] <Jucato> pfft
[03:31] <jrick> Pollywog, no one on #ubuntu is helping me, they have like 1000+ people on unlike the 400 some in here
[03:31] <jrick> i'll think i'll just post in on the forums
[03:31] <Pollywog> oic
[03:31] <Pollywog> k
[03:45] <xlinux__> anyone here?
[03:46] <Minataku> Nope
[03:46] <Minataku> All 356 of us are fake
[03:46] <Minataku> Turns out you're dreaming
[03:46] <xlinux__> haha.. doesnt seem active for 356 people...
[03:46] <Minataku> Dreaming of asking for help with Kubuntu
[03:46] <Minataku> X3
[03:46] <xlinux__> hey, gotta quick question
[03:47] <Minataku> And maybe I can even answer it
[03:47] <Minataku> XD
[03:47] <n8k99> xlinux__: ask and you might get an answer
[03:47] <xlinux__> how do I play .iso dvd files with Kaffeine
[03:47] <Minataku> Good question. Too good.
[03:47] <xlinux__> I have the .iso file, but kaffeine doesnt recognize it
[03:48] <n8k99> is not an .iso the same format as the installation
[03:48] <xlinux__> yeah.. I believe it is..
[03:48] <n8k99> i don't think you want to 'play' a dvd with a distro installation
[03:48] <Minataku> Uh
[03:48] <Minataku> No, n8k99
[03:48] <Minataku> It's an image of a DVD
[03:48] <Minataku> Bit-for-bit
[03:49] <n8k99> ah right-
[03:49] <n8k99> thanx
[03:49] <xlinux__> oh no.. this is a dvd image
[03:49] <Minataku> np
[03:49] <Minataku> Happens to us all
[03:49] <Minataku> I call it "Momentary DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH Syndrome"
[03:49] <Minataku> XD
[03:50] <n8k99> then would you need decss or what ever its called?
[03:50] <n8k99> the dvd decoding libs?
[03:50] <ardchoille> libdvdcss2
[03:51] <n8k99> yes that's the one- would you need that to be able to read an .iso
[03:51] <xlinux__> no, i dont think so.. i can play the DVD from disk. I cant read an .iso stored on the hard drive...
[03:52] <ardchoille> n8k99: That lib is for viewing dvd movies that use the Content Scrambling System as a protection
[03:52] <n8k99> of course it is!
[03:52] <n8k99> ^_^
[03:53] <n8k99> xlinux__: can you open the .iso with vlc?
[03:53] <ardchoille> I regularly mount read, create, etc iso files on another box that doesn't have that lib installed
[03:54] <xlinux__> n8k99: wow, well yes I can...
[03:54] <n8k99> sweet!
[03:54] <xlinux__> is there any plugin to allow Kaffeine to play this as VLC does?
[03:55] <xlinux__> Im cool with VLC if necessary.. just like Kaffeine...
[03:56] <xlinux__> 06:55:58 PM: xine: couldn't find demux for >/home/xlinux/.kde/tmp-xlinux-laptop/time_to_kill_side1_16x9.iso<
[03:58] <hendaus> ardchoille: r u there?
[04:00] <ardchoille> hendaus: No, I'm over here
[04:00] <ardchoille> :)
[04:02] <hendaus> ardchoille:  :( , i am stlling mad
[04:02] <Aresilek> how do i add myself to the games group<'
[04:02] <Aresilek> ?
[04:03] <hendaus> ardchoille:  look this --> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22768/
[04:03] <hendaus> maybe u are the one :)
[04:04] <ardchoille> hendaus: I don't use gnokii and don't even know what it is. I can't believe you're still messing with it.
[04:04] <Aresilek> How do i add myself to the games group?
[04:04] <ardchoille> sudo adduser username groupname
[04:05] <Aresilek> thx ardchoille
[04:05] <defcon_> which is better, crossoverlinux professional or wine?
[04:05] <defcon_> i know its the same thing but which is updated the most, etc
[04:05] <xlinux__> vlc media player is pretty nice...
[04:05] <hendaus> ardchoille:  ok thanx anyway, let me fight :)
[04:05] <defcon_> vlc rocks
[04:06] <ardchoille> hendaus: You're persistent, I'll give you credit for that :)
[04:06] <billytwowilly> anyone know of an applet that can countdown to a date?
[04:07] <Aresilek> ardchoille: do i need to restart after that pr anything?
[04:07] <hendaus> ardchoille:  i think anyone can help me, coz there is no credit :)
[04:08] <ardchoille> Aresilek: No need to restart. What are you trying to accomplish?
[04:09] <Aresilek> to play a game
[04:09] <Aresilek> it wont start
[04:09] <Aresilek> it's in opt/planeshift
[04:09] <ardchoille> How are you launching it?
[04:09] <Aresilek> and it has a big padlock on it :-S
[04:09] <Aresilek> it wont let me in
[04:09] <Aresilek> a shortcut on my desktop
[04:10] <_6StringKng_> !ATI
[04:10] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:10] <Aresilek> i'm gonna try relogin
[04:13] <trakinas> does anyone knows any good "icon bar" for superkaramba?
[04:14] <trakinas> (and Im with 226MB being used! o.o scaring)
[04:14] <compilerwriter> I have found a sound theme that I would like to try.  The Deb instructions to install the thing are to extract the tarball.  Then to use su -p to run an install script.
[04:14] <josh__> im trying to install google earth and i have a bin file
[04:14] <josh__> how do i execute it
[04:14] <Aresilek> It works!
[04:14] <compilerwriter> I have no problem with the tar thing, but do I just sudo the shell script or is there a sudo -p or some sort of equivalent I need to use?
[04:15] <trakinas> josh__: first, open konsole and check if it permisions: ls -lh google-earth.bin (whatever it is named)
[04:16] <trakinas> if it is executable, it will show smth like "rwxrw--r-- user group file"
[04:17] <trakinas> the X indicates it is executable. if does, then ./google-earth.bin
[04:17] <trakinas> if not, give executable properties: chmod +x file
[04:17] <josh__> -rw-r--r-- 1
[04:18] <Grant> eh
[04:18] <Grant> with VMWare, can you access the HD that your VMWare HD is on?
[04:18] <K1765> Hey all, I need help partitioning my HD, could anyone private message me?
[04:19] <josh__> ok so what now
[04:19] <josh__> oh ok
[04:19] <trakinas> josh__: tried chmod +x file?
[04:20] <K1765> Or could someone give me a link, that clearly explains how to parition
[04:20] <josh__> yup
[04:20] <josh__> thx
[04:20] <trakinas> you are welcome! :]
[04:20] <trakinas> K1765: on windows?
[04:20] <trakinas> !install kubuntu
[04:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about install kubuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:20] <trakinas> !partitioning
[04:20] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[04:20] <K1765> ty.. im on kubuntu right now.. I just need help partitioning =p
[04:21] <ardchoille> !install
[04:21] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[04:21] <K1765> !gparted
[04:21] <ubotu> GParted is is a !GUI partitioning program. Type  sudo apt-get install gparted  in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[04:22] <david_> hello
[04:23] <trakinas> on kubuntu try also qtparted.
[04:23] <trakinas> !qtparted
[04:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qtparted - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:23] <trakinas> ops
[04:23] <Minataku> Assbot
[04:23] <trakinas> !QTParted
[04:23] <K1765> !QTParted
[04:23] <hitmanWilly> !info qtparted
[04:23] <K1765> >.>
[04:23] <ubotu> qtparted: A parted frontend using QT. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.5-2ubuntu12 (feisty), package size 206 kB, installed size 720 kB
[04:23] <Minataku> It's not case sensitive
[04:23] <Minataku> It's just stupid
[04:23] <hitmanWilly> when in doubt, use !info :)
[04:25] <K1765> When partitioning, if I do "Guided - Use entire disk" would that screw up windows?
[04:25] <Jucato> the !info trigger is now necessary for displaying package information.
[04:27] <josh__> google earth is being REALLLLLY slow
[04:27] <josh__> 1 frame every 2 seconds
[04:30] <tinin> josh__ check out that you have 3d acceleration
[04:31] <josh__> i do
[04:31] <josh__> for sure
[04:33] <trakinas> soooo... what about nice karamba icon bars?
[04:34] <K1765> !gtparted
[04:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gtparted - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:35] <Jucato> !info gparted | K1765
[04:35] <ubotu> k1765: gparted: GNOME partition editor. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2.5-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 316 kB, installed size 1588 kB
[04:36] <nico_> i'm having a heck of a time installing the nvidia drivers for a GeForce4 4800 SE. the packages available through adept don't work at all, and i just tried the driver from nvidia.com. now it's saying "sh: /sbin/lrm-video: not found", when i try to "modprobe nvidia" ... which package provides /sbin/lrm-video?
[04:37] <tinin> nico_ try envy package by alberto milone
[04:38] <nico_> ok
[04:38] <walkerd> quit
[04:38] <walkerd> exit
[04:38] <walkerd> quit
[04:38] <hakaisou> pardon, could someone explain to me what this means?
[04:38] <Jucato> nico_: when you installed nvidia-glx, did you also install linux-restricted-modules-generic?
[04:38] <hakaisou> !paste
[04:38] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:38] <nico_> Jucato: yes
[04:38] <Jucato> nico_: then you ran "sudo nvidia-xconfig" ?
[04:38] <josh__> im using ati driver
[04:39] <nico_> Jucato: yeah. i've set up nvidia cards on about 8 different computers running linux before, three of those kubuntu machines
[04:39] <hakaisou> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22806/
[04:39] <Jucato> nico_: hm.. strange then. you're having problems only with this video card? :/
[04:39] <hakaisou> can someone explain that that means?
[04:39] <nico_> Jucato: yup
[04:39] <Jucato> hakaisou: you don't have "build-essential" installed, do you?
[04:40] <nico_> Jucato: with the (k)ubuntu provided packages, it kept on trying to load the 97xx series driver instead of the 96xx version
[04:40] <Jucato> nico_: er... edgy or feisty?
[04:40] <nico_> even though i had installed only 9631
[04:40] <compilerwriter> I am trying to customize my prompt but am having issues with figuring out how to do it in bash could someone please tell me what I am doing incorrectly?
[04:40] <nico_> Jucato: feisty
[04:40] <hakaisou> twould seem not.  thanks jucato
[04:40] <Jucato> nico_: hm.. are you sure you installed "nvidia-glx" and not "nvidia-glx-new"?
[04:40] <nico_> Jucato: absolutely
[04:41] <Jucato> compilerwriter: you might try ##bash (or is it #bash )
[04:41] <Jucato> might want to*
[04:41] <nico_> this is my friend's computer who i'm trying to impress with linux's coolness. it's not working so well
[04:41] <Aresilek> how can i get WoW to work in wine?
[04:41] <Jucato> oh :(
[04:41] <Jucato> !wow
[04:41] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[04:41] <Jucato> Aresilek: try that ^^^ or see if #winehq has some answers
[04:41] <nico_> Jucato: i installed and messed around with nvidia-glx, completely purged it out of frustration and tried again. i've done that 3 or 4 times now
[04:42] <compilerwriter> nico_  are you trying to impress the same person you were a few weeks ago?
[04:42] <nico_> Jucato: now i've moved on to trying the scripted installer from nvidia.com
[04:42] <nico_> compilerwriter: a few weeks ago?
[04:43] <nico_> compilerwriter: perhaps you're thinking of another nico?
[04:43] <Jucato> nico_: the installer from nvidia.com will work if you don't have nvidia-kernel-common and any linux-restricted-modules package installed
[04:43] <nico_> Jucato: i know. i removed them already and have pkg-config and my kernel headers installed
[04:43] <compilerwriter> It seems to me nico_ that someone using the same nick was trying the same thing a few weeks back.
[04:43] <hakaisou> go figure....  i go through the trouble to compile software, and what do you know?!  it's in the repository
[04:43] <nico_> compilerwriter: that's odd.
[04:43] <c|p> for some reason KDE just started to go extremely slow, any reason why it would do this so suddenly?
[04:43] <c|p> it was working quickly and fine a couple sessions ago
[04:44] <Jucato> hakaisou: it always pays to search the repos first :)
[04:44] <jonathan_> maybe a virus c|p?
[04:44] <hakaisou> indeed
[04:44] <jonathan_> sorry had to throw that out
[04:44] <compilerwriter> nico_ I was just wondering if you were out prosilitizing again or if you were still trying to tackle the same old bugaboo. :-)
[04:44] <c|p> jonathan_: i havent download anything outside of adept
[04:44] <hakaisou> jonathan_  are you new to linux?
[04:45] <nico_> compilerwriter: i'm a different nico
[04:45] <jonathan_> no i made a funny hakaisou
[04:45] <hakaisou> ok just making sure :D
[04:45] <jonathan_> but i guess not to funny...
[04:45] <jonathan_> too*
[04:45] <hakaisou> no not really
[04:45] <hakaisou> XFD
[04:45] <c|p> well, any ideas? =\
[04:45] <jonathan_> installed beryl/xgl/aiglx/compiz?
[04:46] <nico_> c|p: what software did you install in the last few sessions?
[04:46] <c|p> hmm
[04:46] <c|p> openarena, eclipse
[04:46] <c|p> xchat
[04:46] <c|p> i do have beryl but dont use it
[04:46] <jonathan_> use top
[04:46] <nico_> yeah. check your cpu usage with top, like jonathan said
[04:46] <nico_> see which program is bogging your computer down
[04:47] <nico_> now help me
[04:47] <nico_> i want opengl
[04:47] <c|p> Xorg
[04:47] <c|p> rumbling at about 28-33% cpu
[04:48] <c|p> nevermind that
[04:48] <c|p> its 87-100%
[04:48] <c|p> =\
[04:48] <nico_> is there any way to find out which package provides a certain file? i know that i need /sbin/lrm-video, but i don't know which package i should install to get that?
[04:48] <c|p> so, new question: why is Xorg whoring my cpu?
[04:49] <K1765> How do I get windows media files to run on kubuntu?
[04:49] <nico_> w32codecs
[04:49] <Cryoniq> Hi! Is there a way to enable so that a ethernet card can work at the same time as a wireless card with WPA-TKIP works?
[04:49] <Cryoniq> When I enable the wireless the ethernet is disabled in 7.04
[04:49] <nico_> !w32codecs
[04:49] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[04:50] <nico_> so can we get back to my nvidia problem? anyone else have a geforce4 4800 se?
[04:50] <trakinas> 21532k used! o.o
[04:50] <Cryoniq> I am using the wpasupplicant, knetworkmanager along with gnome-network-manager and network-manager
[04:51] <trakinas> ops. 421532k
[04:51] <trakinas> that's toooo much.
[04:51] <Aresilek> how can i get the drivers for my intel 950 graphics card?
[04:53] <Cryoniq> nico I am not sure but I have a feeling that there is some info over at wiki.ubuntu.org searching for nvidia and maybe a hardware support list is around there. Otherwize I think the GeForce4 is in Kubuntu along with the nvidia stuff
[04:53] <xlinux__> Aresilek; you try the restricted modules in the repos
[04:53] <Aresilek> hm?
[04:54] <Aresilek> i think i may have done that already
[04:54] <xlinux__> hmmm... lemme take a look
[04:54] <Aresilek> is that from the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[04:54] <c|p> right
[04:54] <nico_> can someone see if they have the file /sbin/lrm-video and figure out which package provided it?
[04:55] <c|p> back to my question: Xorg is maxing my CPU, whats up with it?
[04:55] <trakinas> there is too much memory in use!
[04:55] <xlinux__> no.. thats playing restricted filesv with codecs
[04:56] <nico_> what is this "envy" and where do i get it?
[04:56] <Hirvinen> nico_: http://packages.ubuntu.org
[04:56] <nico_> is it in the apt repositories?
[04:56] <nico_> apt-get install envy?
[04:56] <nico_> nope
[04:57] <Hirvinen> nico_: You can also do sudo aptitude install apt-file && sudo apt-file update && sudo apt-file search /sbin/lrm-video
[04:58] <Hirvinen> Which would tell you that linux-restricted modules has it.
[04:58] <Hirvinen> Whoops, linux-restricted-modules-common
[04:59] <c|p> well
[04:59] <c|p> i think i found part of the problem
[04:59] <Aresilek> why is ubuntu help site a secure site?
[04:59] <c|p> Xorg seems to  keep making new processes of itself
[04:59] <LastMall> sun-java6-jre is what we want for browsing sites ?
[04:59] <SeanTater> About how fast should a wireless-g network be?
[05:00] <trakinas> LastMall: in firefox, you want blackdown j2re
[05:00] <crimsun> LastMall: likely sun-java6-plugin
[05:00] <Minataku> SeanTater: 54Mbps
[05:00] <crimsun> (or sun-java5-plugin)
[05:00] <Hirvinen> Aresilek: It's a wiki, where people log in to edit. Running a site with user accounts without SSL encryption is sinful.
[05:00] <Minataku> That's LAN only
[05:00] <trakinas> because java plugin for firefox use blackdown hava, and not sun
[05:00] <Minataku> WAN is limited to what your ISP gives you
[05:01] <xlinux__> Areslisk: i dont know... i dont see any restricted packs for the intel 950
[05:01] <SeanTater> Minataku: "dd" says I'm getting 2552Mbps
[05:01] <Minataku> SeanTater: Uh, dd isn't a network benchmark tool
[05:02] <SeanTater> Minataku: dd blahblah | nc -ulp
[05:02] <Minataku> Yeah, dd isn't for that
[05:02] <Aresilek> ok Hirvinen, but few others if any do it
[05:02] <ses1959_> off subject but thought i migh get feed back is faster ram memory better or a faster processor better
[05:02] <jayteelin> hello - any change I could get some help ?
[05:02] <Aresilek> i've never seen it
[05:02] <LastMall> i'm using opera browser and I'm gonna give this sun-java6-jre a spin
[05:02] <Dragnslcr> ses1959_- depends on what the computer is doing
[05:02] <jayteelin> i want to install kubuntu on my e1505
[05:02] <SeanTater> Minataku: okay --
[05:02] <ses1959_> ram is 533 or 667 and process is due 2  or just due
[05:02] <jayteelin> but the live cd won't work
[05:03] <jayteelin> is there a better way to install?
[05:03] <ses1959_> it is a college laptop for my daughter
[05:03] <Minataku> dd is for transferring data between devices and converting a file's encoding from one to another
[05:03] <ses1959_> it is a dell e1505
[05:04] <jayteelin> yes - it's a dell e1505
[05:04] <Dragnslcr> DDR2-667 shouldn't be any more expensive than DDR2-533 anyway
[05:04] <jayteelin> it currently is running vista ultimate (sucks)
[05:04] <Dragnslcr> And a Core 2 Duo will most likely be faster than a Core Duo
[05:04] <Hirvinen> ses1959_: Whether adding more or faster RAM or a faster processor would help more depends entirely on your use profile.
[05:04] <Aresilek> jayteelin: why doesn't the live cd work?
[05:05] <Aresilek> e1505 = 6400 if i'm correct?
[05:05] <dwidmann> jayteelin: the alternate cd is nice, but if the live cd doesn't work, you may have trouble after installation
[05:05] <Aresilek> i had trbl running it at first
[05:05] <ses1959_> ok i think word processing and term papers but been long time since i was therr
[05:05] <ses1959_> there
[05:05] <jayteelin> when I try booting, the little light for the wireless card flashes a bunch of time
[05:05] <jayteelin> then the system won't boot
[05:05] <jayteelin> just a flashing cursor
[05:06] <jayteelin> then, I disabled the wireless and bluetooth and try booting up
[05:06] <jayteelin> still nothing
[05:06] <badube> Can some one tell me how to get flash working.  I just installed kubuntu and followed all the instructions for getting all the other restricted formats to work.  It also took some doing gett imbeded mov files to play in konqueror...
[05:06] <c|p> can _anyone_ give me some help
[05:06] <jayteelin> it just sits there
[05:06] <Hirvinen> !anyone | c|p
[05:06] <ubotu> c|p: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[05:06] <jayteelin> i haven't tried the alternate CD
[05:06] <Aresilek> hmmm
[05:06] <dwidmann> !ask | c|p
[05:06] <ubotu> c|p: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:06] <c|p> Hirvinen: i have been asking but i havent received an answer
[05:06] <Aresilek> mine used to say software lockup on cpu #0
[05:06] <ses1959_> cost difference is 25.00 for faster memory and 60.00 for faster processor
[05:06] <Hirvinen> badube: !Flash doesn't work for you?
[05:06] <jayteelin> is there a 'minimum' CD like gentoo has?
[05:06] <badube> !flash
[05:06] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[05:07] <dwidmann> c|p, well, it's long since out of the screen
[05:07] <c|p> then i will ask again
[05:07] <Dragnslcr> ses1959_- an extra $25 for DDR2-667 over 533 is kind of a rip-off
[05:07] <badube> I have all the rpos enabled and there is no flashplugin-nonfree in any of them.
[05:07] <badube> I mean repos...
[05:07] <Aresilek> jayteelin: turning off the wireless does help it boot a lot faster
[05:07] <c|p> Xorg is maxing my CPU, it seems to be making new processes of itself recursively
[05:07] <Aresilek> jayteelin: how long did you wait before giving up?
[05:07] <Dragnslcr> ses1959_- an extra $60 to go from a Core to a Core 2 is probably worth it
[05:07] <dwidmann> badube: you could just download it from adobe's website
[05:08] <Aresilek> jayteelin: it does take a long time
[05:08] <jayteelin> I gave it about 10 mins after I saw the kubuntu screen
[05:08] <Hirvinen> c|p: Sorry, but there's a lot of talking here right now(and usually all the time). I, for one only see the last minute or two.
[05:08] <dwidmann> c|p: that's really weird, anything special about your setup that might make it do that? When did the problem start?
[05:08] <ses1959_> ok thank you i will get the core 2 and leave the memory at 533
[05:08] <c|p> dwidmann: a few sessions ago
[05:08] <c|p> i just installed kubuntu a few hours ago to
[05:09] <mas195> can someone direct in extracting files from a .bin file?
[05:09] <jayteelin> i just wanted to try out the distro before doing an actual 'install' on the machine
[05:09] <ShadyTree> do you ask that every day
[05:09] <ses1959_> i think the computer will be fast enought to start college and will change ram later if I want to easer to change ram than processor
[05:09] <dwidmann> c|p: have you made any changes to the xorg.conf or installed anything that might be buggy or troublesome in the last few hours then?
[05:09] <dr_willis> mas195,  a .bin could be ANYTHING. :) what is the  thing supposed to be?
[05:09] <c|p> dwidmann: nope, ive had no reason to make any changes
[05:09] <Hirvinen> c|p: Command top shows several instances of Xorg?
[05:09] <Aresilek> jayteelin: and you shut down vista properly right?
[05:09] <mas195> the new java runtime files
[05:10] <c|p> Hirvinen: only one, but when i continuously ps ux | grep xorg the pid increases every time
[05:10] <jayteelin> I did 'full' shutdown before starting from the CD
[05:10] <ses1959_> have nice evening and thanks for in put
[05:10] <dr_willis> mas195,  if its a self-insgtalling executable ya chmod +x it and sudo whatever..bin
[05:10] <crrj> My pistons lost last month, requiring a new engine in the car :S
[05:10] <LastMall> i got flash to work in opera by downloading the flash tgz and then dumping the files in the plugins folder
[05:10] <mas195> i don't know anything about linux, trying to learn but the training software that i am using requires the new runtime
[05:10] <mas195> so i don't kow what sudo is or how to use it
[05:11] <c|p> sudo runs a command as root
[05:11] <c|p> sudo <command>
[05:11] <dwidmann> c|p: that might be normal, mine does that too
[05:11] <Aresilek> jayteelin: well it's not the problem i was getting, i was getting software lock up on CPU #0
[05:11] <Aresilek> jayteelin: apart from that it would just boot slowly
[05:11] <c|p> dwidmann: but mine is hogging all of my cpu
[05:11] <jayteelin> i wasn't sure where to look for an error - the computer just kinda sits there....
[05:11] <Hirvinen> ses1959_: I'd max out RAM. I personally wouldn't buy a computer with less than 1 GB and even with 1 GB I'd make sure it could be upgraded to at least 2 GB.
[05:11] <dwidmann> c|p: must be hogging it for some other reason
[05:11] <c|p> hrm =\
[05:11] <c|p> i havent done anything to it though
[05:12] <jayteelin> how much longer should i give it?
[05:12] <jayteelin> how much longer do I give it before giving up?
[05:12] <Aresilek> jayteelin: i didn't have any text?
[05:12] <dwidmann> c|p: what X driver are you using? X will hog a lot of cpu if it has to draw everything using the cpu instead of the graphics card
[05:12] <BluesKaj> interesting that opera was the only browser able to DL a pdf document that konq, FF and IE couldn't handle
[05:12] <jayteelin> no text - just a blinking cursor in the top left
[05:12] <Aresilek> jayteelin: i think 10 mins was enough
[05:12] <c|p> hold on dwidmann
[05:12] <c|p> ill be right back
[05:12] <jayteelin> when I booted with the wireless *on*
[05:12] <Aresilek> jayteelin: weird, did u do the check cd for defects option?
[05:12] <jayteelin> i got a message when i turned it off with fn+f2
[05:12] <epsi_> yay :D hi
[05:13] <jayteelin> i'm going to re-burn the CD from a different computer to see if that's the problem
[05:13] <mas195> dr_willis, i don't know what sudo is or how to use it...
[05:13] <c|p> ok
[05:13] <jayteelin> and no, I didn't do the check CD option
[05:13] <c|p> dwidmann: say again, i couldnt see what you typed
[05:13] <jayteelin> i could try that and come back here?
[05:13] <dwidmann> c|p: what X driver are you using? X will hog a lot of cpu if it has to draw everything using the cpu instead of the graphics card
[05:13] <c|p> dwidmann: im not sure what driver im using, its whatever kubuntu decided
[05:14] <c|p> i have an ati radeon x300 if you need to know
[05:14] <Aresilek> jayteelin: yeah you could
[05:14] <Hirvinen> c|p: ps ux shows Xorg?
[05:14] <dwidmann> c|p: it's probably using the generic ati driver, might be worthwhile to give fglrx a go and see if it works out
[05:14] <dwidmann> !ati
[05:14] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:14] <BluesKaj> fglrx proprietary most likely
[05:14] <jayteelin> thanks Aresilek, I'll give it a shot
[05:14] <c|p> Hirvinen: yes, dwidmann ill try it
[05:14] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: in linux you are, by default, not an administrator on your machine.  This is usually for security reasons.  If you need to do something as an administrator then you normally prefix the command with "sudo"  (for example.. sudo ./<filename>.bin)..
[05:15] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: in linux you are, by default, not an administrator on your machine.  This is usually for security reasons.  If you need to do something as an administrator then you normally prefix the command with "sudo"  (for example.. sudo ./<filename>.bin)..
[05:15] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: in linux you are, by default, not an administrator on your machine.  This is usually for security reasons.  If you need to do something as an administrator then you normally prefix the command with "sudo"
[05:15] <c|p> bash: fglrx: command not found
[05:15] <c|p> =\
[05:15] <dogatemycomputer> asdflkjsjfd
[05:15] <BluesKaj> c|p : http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[05:15] <dwidmann> !ati | c|p
[05:15] <ubotu> c|p: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:16] <Hirvinen> c|p: That's weird, because on my computer, ps ux doesn't show it at all. ps -e however, shows.
[05:16] <dwidmann> Hirvinen: c|p was mentioning that it's pid kept going up ... seems that might be normal though (mine does it)
[05:17] <Hirvinen> c|p: Just make sure that "ps ux | grep -i xorg" doesn't just show you the process "grep -i xorg", with *that* process's pid going up every time.
[05:17] <c|p> Hirvinen: it isnt
[05:18] <Hirvinen> Ok, just checking since that's what it did on my computer. I wonder where the difference comes from.
[05:18] <c|p> well, im going to see what i can do
[05:18] <Minataku> I upgraded my Macintosh Classic today, now it has 4MB of RAM instead of just 2MB :D
[05:19] <Minataku> I happened to have some 1MB SIMMs I pulled from another Mac
[05:19] <trakinas> gtg
[05:19] <dwidmann> Minataku: Oh my, a whole 2 mb of ram
[05:19] <phlawless> hello all
[05:19] <trakinas> cheers all!
[05:19] <Minataku> dwidmann: I know, I know, it's overkill
[05:19] <mas195> ok, i tried the sudo command and was prompted for a password but then when it attempted to execute the command i was presented with a command not found error...
[05:19] <phlawless> still checking to see if anyone currently on has gotten www.linuxmce.com installed
[05:19] <Minataku> Practically bulging at the seams now
[05:19] <phlawless> the apps that is
[05:19] <Minataku> XD
[05:20] <dwidmann> Minataku: have you had the chance to play with that SGI computer you picked up the other day yet?
[05:20] <Minataku> dwidmann: Not yet
[05:21] <Minataku> I still need the following: IRIX 6.5 install media, Monitor with Sync-on-Green
[05:21] <BluesKaj> mas195, what command ?
[05:21] <Minataku> But like I said, in the meantime the Macintosh Classic has enjoyed a boost
[05:22] <Minataku> Two 1MB, 30 pin, non-parity SIMMs
[05:22] <mas195> sudo jre-6ul-linux-i586.bin
[05:22] <masterk> sometimes when I go to web pages it stays on the same page and says it loaded the next page
[05:22] <masterk> does anyone have any idea what's wrong?
[05:22] <Minataku> 8 chips plus one unpopulated site
[05:22] <dwidmann> Minataku: ah, SIMMs ... I haven't seen any of those in a while, how ancient
[05:23] <Minataku> Yep. 30 pin, no less :D
[05:23] <BluesKaj> mas195, sudo ./jre-6ul-linux-i586.bin
[05:23] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: did you try "sudo ./jre-*.bin" ?
[05:24] <masterk> sometimes when I go to web pages it stays on the same page and says it loaded the next page does anyone have any idea what's wrong?
[05:24] <Minataku> Sidenote, at least in System 6.0.8, Multifinder is much smaller than Finder
[05:24] <Minataku> masterk: Perhaps the two are identical
[05:24] <mas195> yes and it presented the same command not found message
[05:24] <BluesKaj> as long as the file was downloaded to your /home file mas195
[05:24] <masterk> google.com and tv-links.co.uk are not identical
[05:25] <mas195> i tried the first command without the ./ in the folder the file is stored in...
[05:25] <BluesKaj> mas195, you have prefix the file with  ./
[05:25] <masterk> its been doing this since I blacklisted ipv6
[05:25] <Minataku> mas195: The ./ is fine
[05:25] <killux> does anyone have a snd_hda_intel soundcard?
[05:25] <Minataku> masterk: Unblacklist it
[05:25] <Minataku> That's a pointless thing to do
[05:25] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: well.. the "./" tells it to look for the file in the existing directory..
[05:25] <masterk> then internet will run really slow...
[05:26] <Minataku> Ah, that problem
[05:26] <Dragnslcr> Don't worry, masterk, the Internet will run fine if you don't blacklist IPv6
[05:26] <masterk> i blacklisted it because it was running slow
[05:27] <mas195> i tried it that way too but it's still saying command not found
[05:27] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: so if it can't find the file then that would at least tell it where to find it.  Its also possible the file isn't marked as an executable.  You can mark it as executable by trying "sudo chmod 777 ./jre*.bin"
[05:27] <Minataku> AHAHAH
[05:27] <Minataku> NOT 777
[05:27] <Minataku> 774
[05:27] <Minataku> Or even 744
[05:27] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: try that then.. 744..
[05:27] <K1765> Whats this mean, wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\help.exe": Module not found
[05:27] <K1765> mike@MichaelsPC:~$ wine helwineserver: could not save registry branch to /home/mike/.wine/system.reg : Permission denied
[05:27] <K1765> wineserver: could not save registry branch to /home/mike/.wine/userdef.reg : Permission denied
[05:27] <K1765> wineserver: could not save registry branch to /home/mike/.wine/user.reg : Permission denied
[05:28] <killux> does anyone have a snd_hda_intel soundcard?
[05:28] <dwidmann> Minataku: you're not being paranoid enough, 700
[05:28] <dogatemycomputer> LOL
[05:28] <Minataku> :P
[05:28] <Minataku> dwidmann: Well excuse me for restricting access to the undeserving members of the "others" category
[05:28] <Minataku> X3
[05:28] <mas195> i tried chmod command but the response is no such file found although i can see it when i do a directory list
[05:29] <BluesKaj> masterk, : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202838
[05:29] <Minataku> mas195: Are you in the directory the file is in?
[05:30] <mas195> yes
[05:30] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: what are you typing to get that directory listening exactly?
[05:30] <Minataku> RAther, what are you typing to chmod it?
[05:30] <mas195> just doing a dir command... or is that wrong
[05:30] <Minataku> Should be using ls
[05:30] <Minataku> You're in Linux, not DOS ;3
[05:30] <dwidmann> lol
[05:31] <dogatemycomputer> well..  dir is a valid command in some linux distros.
[05:31] <dogatemycomputer> could someone tell me if "dir" works in kubuntu?
[05:31] <Minataku> It's a crutch
[05:31] <dwidmann> Minataku: funny thing, I thought dir was an alias for ls, set in the the bash_profile
[05:31] <Minataku> It might be
[05:31] <mas195> i am using kubuntu and thats what i used...
[05:31] <Minataku> But it's still a crutch
[05:31] <Minataku> The Linux command is "ls"
[05:31] <BluesKaj> mas195,./ java*.bin
[05:32] <Minataku> You should learn the language of the place you are in
[05:32] <Minataku> You're in Linux now, learn Linuxese
[05:32] <Minataku> XD
[05:32] <dogatemycomputer> mas195:  don't be too concerned.  some of us are purists so "dir" is a bit, ummm... offensive to some.
[05:32] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: try ls -la and tell me if you see the file still listed..
[05:32] <Minataku> When I use DOS machines, I install ls.exe
[05:32] <Minataku> XD
[05:33] <Minataku> Because it's better :3
[05:33] <dwidmann> All you need to know to understand what goes on this channel is a working knowledge of sh and english :)
[05:33] <dogatemycomputer> Minataku: you're such a purist..
[05:33] <dogatemycomputer> ;)
[05:33] <BluesKaj> purists like to take the long way around sometimes , just to avoid the smell of ms fumes :)
[05:33] <dwidmann> Minataku: but isn't using ls in dos a lot like having a crutch?
[05:33] <mas195> i used ls to see the home folder contents and my file is there.... and with the sudo chmod 744 ./jre-6ul-linux-i586.bin - i still receive the no such file message
[05:33] <Minataku> dwidmann: Who cares? It's DOS.
[05:34] <BluesKaj> gawd ..i give up
[05:34] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: but you see the file in the list when doing "ls -la" .. right?
[05:34] <Minataku> XD
[05:34] <dwidmann> Minataku: why would you be using dos again anyway?
[05:34] <dwidmann> Minataku: who uses dos?
[05:34] <Minataku> dwidmann: Very old computer
[05:34] <Minataku> I'm a collector
[05:34] <Minataku> I have machines from 1980 to 2003
[05:34] <dwidmann> Minataku: can't get linux to run on it at all?
[05:34] <Minataku> dwidmann: I _could_, but it would be insanely useless
[05:35] <mas195> yes
[05:35] <dwidmann> Minataku:  so is DOS
[05:35] <Minataku> One, though, no, no Linux
[05:35] <mas195> the file is present
[05:35] <Minataku> Since it's an 8086
[05:35] <Dragnslcr> mas195- type sudo chmod 744 jre and then hit the tab key
[05:35] <Minataku> dwidmann: It's useful enough as a shell to launch things from
[05:35] <Dragnslcr> Tab-completion > spelling
[05:35] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: well.. i'm curious if the file you're seeing is actually a link to another file someplace else.. not sure how that would happen but i'm curious if its possible.
[05:35] <BluesKaj> wonder if an old pc that ran windows 3.1 could handle a linux distro
[05:35] <Minataku> Not useful as an OS, but useful as a command interpreter to run cool old games
[05:36] <dwidmann> true
[05:36] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: DSL?
[05:36] <Minataku> You'd need a distro from the era
[05:36] <Minataku> Which will be entirely useless
[05:36] <mas195> i tried what Dragnslcr suggested and did not get the error this time... so maybe it was a type-O
[05:37] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: coolness..
[05:37] <Minataku> I did install FreeBSD 2.something on one of mine before
[05:37] <K1765> Why is dam konsole saying wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\help.exe": Module not found
[05:37] <Minataku> But that was also fairly pointless
[05:37] <K1765> mike@MichaelsPC:~$ wine helwineserver: could not save registry branch to /home/mike/.wine/system.reg : Permission denied
[05:37] <K1765> wineserver: could not save registry branch to /home/mike/.wine/userdef.reg : Permission denied
[05:37] <K1765> wineserver: could not save registry branch to /home/mike/.wine/user.reg : Permission denied
[05:37] <masterk> where is the blacklist file?
[05:37] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: is there a reason you didn't just use apt-get to install the java app?
[05:37] <Minataku> It worked, but it was kinda too old
[05:37] <BluesKaj> no , older couple with no internet , but a lively interest in most things ...I'm thinking i could talk them into internet if we could get that old pc going ...very cheap old bastard :)
[05:38] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: I meant damn small linux :P
[05:38] <masterk> !blacklist
[05:38] <ubotu> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add  blacklist <modulename>  to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type  sudo update-initramfs -u
[05:38] <mas195> i am using kubunto so i used the adept manager to install and update the apps... still learning the rest
[05:38] <BluesKaj> yup, I have floppy somewhere
[05:38] <BluesKaj> damn small linux , i think
[05:38] <dwidmann> thought it took 50mb ... isn't that a bit much for a floppy?
[05:39] <mas195> so i don't about all the basics of using linux from a command prompt... just yet... but i like it better than ms so going to be cracking open alot of books and docs soon
[05:39] <Minataku> Try FreeDOS instead
[05:39] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: I was just curious..  I think the java app is available in adept so you wouldn't need to download/insatll the binary.  Either way.. happy to hear you're trying so no worries either way.
[05:39] <Minataku> mas195: Right, keep strong and keep at it
[05:39] <BluesKaj> yeah , much too much ...no cdrom drive , dunno if i coid even install one on it ...it's so old
[05:39] <Minataku> A Linux a day keeps Microsoft away
[05:39] <Minataku> And so on
[05:39] <Minataku> XD
[05:39] <dogatemycomputer> Minataku: ahahahahahaha
[05:40] <mas195> the adept manager downloaded and installed a much older version without any listings for the newer version...
[05:40] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: so long as it has an IDE controller it probably won't even give you trouble with a half decent one
[05:40] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: i'm taking up php and c++ because of my involvement in linux.
[05:40] <BluesKaj> I have a couple old cdroms , dwidmann
[05:40] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: kinda re-awakened my thirst for knowledge that went stale with Winblowz..
[05:40] <mas195> ok, so now that i got it extracted... is there anything that i need to do to install it?
[05:40] <BluesKaj> both work fine
[05:41] <mas195> i couldn't agree more... i am learning both as well simply because of my line of work
[05:41] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: I have a mountain of them, most of which are outside of my computer, I just don't feel the need to put all of them in the box at once, even though I could :D
[05:41] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: "cd jre<tab>".. then .. well.. you'd have to tell us what files are in the directory.. maybe someone here knows what file to run so the app will intall..
[05:42] <dogatemycomputer> intall = install
[05:42] <BluesKaj> ok, as long as i have the proper ide cable and psu hookup it should go
[05:42] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Should
[05:42] <BluesKaj> ok
[05:42] <Minataku> You'll need a driver for it
[05:42] <Minataku> Which is why I say just go for FreeDOS
[05:43] <mas195> the only things inside that directory are some license texts and some misc folders and a bin folder
[05:43] <BluesKaj> yeah i have a driver
[05:43] <Minataku> DR-DOS 7.03 is _very_ nice
[05:44] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: usually there is a file named "configure" or something very similar.  where did you download the file from?  or what is the exact name?  maybe I can find some info for you.
[05:44] <BluesKaj> i could hep him get the commodore 64 emulation going on it ...he knows that OS , whatever it's called
[05:44] <mas195> i downloaded the runtime directly from sun's website...
[05:46] <dogatemycomputer> downloading now
[05:46] <mas195> ty
[05:46] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: i never looked at the binary.. i always used apt-get.. so i'm a bit ignorant here..
[05:46] <K1765> Umm.. How do I uninstall Kubuntu, so I can reinstall it?
[05:47] <mas195> your ignorance is measure as something close to expert or genious by comparison to my own... :)
[05:47] <K1765> How do I uninstall Kubuntu, so I can reinstall it?
[05:47] <juifsournois> hi :) i get this when trying to compile mplayer with jack support on edgy http://pastebin.ca/515313
[05:48] <Dragnslcr> K1765- just format the disk?
[05:49] <Minataku> DANGER- THIS COMMAND WILL DESTROY ALL DATA ON THE DISK : sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=<device name of the drive> bs=512
[05:49] <Minataku> Then just let it run, but make sure it's what you really want to do first
[05:49] <K-Ryan> I've got a bit of a problem here.
[05:49] <killux> is upgrading from edgy to feisty easy?
[05:49] <K-Ryan> killux: Yes
[05:49] <K-Ryan> I can't seem to empty my trash, and no, it isn't empty.
[05:49] <Minataku> I've got a lot of problems, but those are more for a psychiatrist than a Linux channel
[05:49] <killux> does anyone have snd_hda_intel
[05:49] <Minataku> X3
[05:49] <killux> soundcard
[05:50] <K-Ryan> It won't let me delete a folder that I installed under wine.
[05:50] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Try deleting it manually
[05:50] <K-Ryan> Err
[05:50] <K-Ryan> There are thousands of files
[05:50] <K-Ryan> I'm not even joking
[05:50] <Minataku> That's what wildcards are for
[05:50] <Minataku> Just be really careful
[05:51] <Minataku> That asterisk is like a throwing star
[05:51] <Minataku> Very, very dangerous if used irresponsibly
[05:51] <K-Ryan> And there is no "delete" option when i right click stuff
[05:51] <Dragnslcr> Damn rm-ninjas
[05:51] <K-Ryan> Is there a way for me to root remove it or something through the terminal?
[05:51] <^RiaN^> Minataku: when i change my monitor resolution to 800x600, i can't login anymore
[05:52] <Minataku> ^RiaN^: Then don't do that
[05:52] <^RiaN^> how do i resolve it
[05:52] <Kr4t05> rofl
[05:52] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: no idea..
[05:52] <K-Ryan> Why do you need 800x600? Just out of curiosity,,,
[05:52] <Minataku> ^RiaN^: Try restarting X, if that fails, try changing the resolution back to what it was
[05:52] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: I downloaded the same file.. it looks like you have to copy each of the files individually to their respective directories..
[05:53] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: it doesn't look like a simple procedure..
[05:53] <K-Ryan> Guys is there a way for me to empty my trash through the terminal?
[05:53] <Kr4t05> Apparently, I look like Colin Farrell.
[05:53] <K-Ryan> Anyone?
[05:53] <mas195> well that sounds like no fun at all... how would i use the apt-get method
[05:54] <K-Ryan> !trash
[05:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:54] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Probably, yes
[05:54] <K-Ryan> !delete
[05:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about delete - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:55] <K-Ryan> =(
[05:55] <^RiaN^> Minataku:  how to change monitor resolution from konsole
[05:55] <Minataku> Unfortunately, I don't know where it is
[05:55] <K-Ryan> This is pissing me off
[05:55] <Minataku> ^RiaN^: xrandr
[05:55] <dogatemycomputer> !java
[05:55] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[05:55] <K-Ryan> Oh I might know what to do...
[05:55] <Minataku> !xrandr
[05:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xrandr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:55] <dogatemycomputer> there we go..
[05:55] <Minataku> Oh, piss off, you don't know crap
[05:55] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: "sudo apt-get install sun-java-jre" <-- I think that's right..
[05:55] <K-Ryan> No, really
[05:55] <Minataku> ^RiaN^: Type "man xrandr" and read that
[05:55] <mas195> ok, hang on.. going to try
[05:56] <Minataku> K-Ryan: I was talking to the bot
[05:56] <Minataku> Sorrty
[05:56] <^RiaN^> ok
[05:56] <Minataku> *Sorry
[05:56] <K-Ryan> Oh
[05:56] <Minataku> XD
[05:56] <^RiaN^> i'll try
[05:56] <K-Ryan> It's ok =P
[05:56] <K-Ryan> How do I make myself the owner of the folder?
[05:56] <K-Ryan> I've never had this issue before so I don't know how =)
[05:56] <dogatemycomputer> ~multiverse
[05:56] <dogatemycomputer> !multiverse
[05:56] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:56] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Don't bother, just go into the trash folder and "sudo rm *"
[05:56] <Minataku> If there are directories, you'll have to zap them, too
[05:57] <dwidmann> K-Ryan: ~/.local/share/Trash
[05:57] <K-Ryan> Thanks, I was just about to ask =)
[05:58] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: I think you need to add the multiverse to the repository list..
[05:58] <K-Ryan> Can I not zap it as a whole?
[05:58] <Minataku> Yeah
[05:58] <Minataku> MAKE SURE YOU ARE IN THE TRASH DIRECTORY
[05:58] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: then you can just install it.   Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[06:01] <Minataku> Thanks a bunch, nalioth
[06:01] <K-Ryan> He probably needed a reboot anyway =)
[06:01] <Minataku> I guess HE was easier to flush away.
[06:02] <mas195> besides, kubuntu runs better on my laptop than winxp or vista ever did....
[06:02] <K-Ryan> Kubuntu > Windows
[06:02] <K-Ryan> Hell
[06:02] <K-Ryan> Linux > Windows
[06:02] <Minataku> Heehee
[06:02] <mas195> no argument there
[06:02] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: sorry.. I missed that line above..
[06:02] <K-Ryan> =)
[06:02] <mas195> actually, the apt-get command responded with couldn't find package
[06:03] <dogatemycomputer> let me find some documentation for you..
[06:03] <K-Ryan> Thanks Minataku, that did it.
[06:03] <luqman> hi
[06:03] <titanix88> hendaus_:hi :)
[06:03] <K-Ryan> Freed myself of a nice 2 gigs.
[06:03] <K-Ryan> Hi there luqman!
[06:03] <luqman> How are you
[06:03] <Minataku> K-Ryan: No problem
[06:03] <luqman> k-Ryan
[06:03] <K-Ryan> Fine fine, yourself?
[06:03] <luqman> Good
[06:03] <luqman> so whats up
[06:03] <K-Ryan> Glad to hear
[06:03] <K-Ryan> You missed a Vista troll get booted
[06:04] <K-Ryan> By about a minute
[06:04] <kgx> mas195:
[06:04] <luqman> hmm
[06:05] <kgx> mas195: sun-java5-jre or sun-java5-jdk if u need the dsk
[06:05] <kgx> *sdk
[06:05] <dogatemycomputer> sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin sun-java6-fonts
[06:05] <epsi_> how can i make a bash script be executeable everywhere (not depending on the file with the script) ? (only ./command in konsole,)
[06:06] <hendaus_> titanix88:  hi
[06:07] <titanix88> :)
[06:07] <hendaus_> i am on #gnokii titanix88
[06:07] <mas195> that seems to be working perfectly dogatemycomputer
[06:07] <mas195> thank you very much
[06:08] <dwidmann> epsi_: put it in a directory that's in your $PATH
[06:08] <mas195> i have one final problem.... the network manager does not detect my wireless network.... i am thinking that it may be an ipv6 vs. ipv4 problem but don't know how to check it...
[06:09] <epsi_> dwidmann: and which directory is in "my $PATH" oO
[06:09] <mas195> kubuntu found my wireless network adapter but does not see my network.... any thoughts
[06:09] <epsi_> <sorry noob ;D
[06:09] <dwidmann> epsi_: echo $PATH
[06:09] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: that's way beyond me..
[06:09] <mas195> it's all good,  it's all way beyond me at this point
[06:09] <epsi_> hehe thx
[06:09] <mas195> :D
[06:09] <epsi_> the solution is most of the time so easy, you just have to know hot to get there ;D
[06:11] <SkiffX> any of you guys have gnome and kde on the same system?
[06:12] <dwidmann> K-Ryan: I could have counter-questioned the troll now that I think about it. What is the difference between $1 and $2+steam. The steam.
[06:13] <Minataku> >.>
[06:13] <Minataku> I don't get it
[06:14] <dwidmann> Minataku: $1 = Vista, $2 = pile of crap
[06:14] <Minataku> Ah
[06:14] <Minataku> Sorry, it's 12:12AM here X3
[06:14] <dwidmann> Didn't want to be too direct ...
[06:14] <dwidmann> Minataku: same time here
[06:15] <dwidmann> If I hadn't taken that nap I'd have been out a long time ago
[06:15] <dwidmann> punched in at work at 4:16am  ...
[06:15] <dwidmann> and out again at 3pm
[06:15] <mas195> thanks for all the help everyone... will log in again later on.... good night... or morning depending on your point of view...
[06:16] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: you said network manager sees yoru wireless network?
[06:16] <mas195> no, doesn't see the network... only the adapter
[06:17] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: is the knetworkmanager icon on the bottom right hand corner visible?
[06:17] <mas195> yeah...
[06:17] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: is your network hidden? or can you see it from anywhere?
[06:18] <mas195> i have the option to disable the adapter implying that it is enabled but the network doesn't show up when i click on the show networks.... and the network is visible to the public but it wep
[06:18] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: i can tell you that it usually works well if the network is visible and is either unsecured or uses wep.. it doesn't work (or at least not well) with WPA/WPA2.
[06:19] <dogatemycomputer> !wifi
[06:19] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:19] <fogwar> !printer
[06:19] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[06:20] <mas195> thanks... i will take a look at it tomorrow... i have a test to take and some homework to finish so i will check back later... thanks again for your help
[06:28] <SkiffX> guys is there a synaptic in KDE or it just comes with gnome?
[06:28] <Rictoo> `run echo lol
[06:28] <rafleg`> lol
[06:28] <ardchoille> SkiffX: Synaptic is a gtk2 app but you can use it in kde too
[06:29] <Rictoo> `run apt-get --help
[06:29] <rafleg`> apt <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu10 for linux i386 compiled on Mar 14 2007 17:43:24
[06:29] <rafleg`> Usage: apt-get [options]  command
[06:29] <rafleg`>        apt-get [options]  install|remove pkg1 [pkg2 ...]
[06:29] <rafleg`>        apt-get [options]  source pkg1 [pkg2 ...]
[06:29] <rafleg`>
[06:29] <Rictoo> :\
[06:29] <Rictoo> sorry guys :\
[06:29] <SkiffX> Rictoo, thanks
[06:29] <Rictoo> ardchoille is the one who answered you o.O
[06:30] <SkiffX> Rictoo, you use apt-get instead of the managers in kde/gnome?
[06:30] <Rictoo> of course
[06:30] <SkiffX> ardchoille, thanks as well :P
[06:30] <Rictoo> but I came to here to actually just show off my bot :D
[06:30] <ardchoille> SkiffX: You're welcome :) Although I only use apt-get
[06:30] <Rictoo> and apt-cache
[06:30] <ardchoille> Yeah
[06:30] <SkiffX> any reason why
[06:30] <Rictoo> `run apt-cache --help
[06:30] <rafleg`> apt <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu10 for linux i386 compiled on Mar 14 2007 17:43:20
[06:30] <rafleg`> Usage: apt-cache [options]  command
[06:30] <rafleg`>        apt-cache [options]  add file1 [file2 ...]
[06:30] <rafleg`>        apt-cache [options]  showpkg pkg1 [pkg2 ...]
[06:30] <rafleg`>        apt-cache [options]  showsrc pkg1 [pkg2 ...]
[06:30] <Rictoo> SkiffX: It's a ton faster to do it from command line
[06:30] <SkiffX> gotcha
[06:31] <Rictoo> You search for the file you want with apt-cache search file
[06:31] <SkiffX> yeah I suppose I should do it as well
[06:31] <ardchoille> SkiffX: I use screen + irssi + elinks + mutt, there are weeks that go by when I don't even use X
[06:31] <Rictoo> like apt-cache search amsn
[06:31] <SkiffX> ardchoille, damn :)
[06:31] <Rictoo> what's screen, elinks, and mutt? :\
[06:31] <Jack3> sweet new kernel
[06:31] <Rictoo> I'm using irssi right now
[06:31] <Rictoo> it's great
[06:32] <Rictoo> Jack3: ?
[06:32] <ardchoille> elinks is a text web browser, mutt is for email and screen is : Screen  is a full-screen window manager that multiplexes a physical terminal between several processes
[06:32] <Jack3> btw, anyone know why when i boot low latency kernel it causes my wireless driver to disapear...
[06:32] <Jack3> Rictoo: 2.6.20-16
[06:32] <ardchoille> Rictoo: Think of using several text apps in screen and not having to have x at all :)
[06:32] <Rictoo> Jack3: Nice :D
[06:33] <Rictoo> i wonder if this will work:
[06:33] <Rictoo> `run apt-cache search elinks
[06:33] <rafleg`> links-ssl - Dummy package for transition to elinks
[06:33] <rafleg`> wv - Programs for accessing Microsoft Word documents
[06:33] <rafleg`> elinks - advanced text-mode WWW browser
[06:33] <rafleg`> elinks-lite - advanced text-mode WWW browser (lite version)
[06:33] <Rictoo> Obviously not :\
[06:33] <Rictoo> WOAH
[06:33] <Rictoo> IT WORKED!!1 :D
[06:33] <Rictoo> my bot only prints the first 5 lines though
[06:33] <Rictoo> so that it won't really spam
[06:34] <Rictoo> ardchoille: What's the difference between elinks and elinks-lite ?
[06:34] <ardchoille> Rictoo: Don't know, never heard of elinks-lite
[06:35] <lenny> Hi. why colorzilla add-on for firefox doen't work in kubuntu? any idea? substitute? (sorry my english)
[06:35] <ardchoille> Rictoo: One day X broke and I was like pffft.. I'll fix it next week.
[06:35] <Rictoo> lenny: #firefox
[06:35] <Rictoo> ardchoille: haha.
[06:35] <lenny> ok, didn't know ; )
[06:35] <Rictoo> It's ok :)
[06:36] <Rictoo> Life is a learning expierience :D
[06:36] <Rictoo> `s expierience
[06:36] <Rictoo> experience*
[06:36] <Rictoo> there
[06:36] <Rictoo> `run apt-cache search mutt
[06:37] <lenny> ...with linux.
[06:37] <rafleg`> aptitude - terminal-based apt frontend
[06:37] <rafleg`> devscripts - Scripts to make the life of a Debian Package maintainer easier
[06:37] <rafleg`> dictionaries-common - Common utilities for spelling dictionary tools
[06:37] <rafleg`> emacs-goodies-el - Miscellaneous add-ons for Emacs
[06:37] <rafleg`> fetchmail - SSL enabled POP3, APOP, IMAP mail gatherer/forwarder
[06:37] <Rictoo> hmm
[06:37] <Rictoo> mutt...
[06:39] <Rictoo> `run apt-cache search amsn
[06:39] <rafleg`> amsn - An MSN messenger written in tcl
[06:40] <Rictoo> `part #kubuntu
[06:41] <SkiffX> when you do apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade
[06:41] <SkiffX> does all the temporary files get deleted afterwards or not?
[06:46] <dr_willis> SkiffX,  if by temp files you mean the .deb packages its downloading = NO they do not
[06:47] <SkiffX> but do I need them later on or should I delete them or what do you do ?
[06:47] <dr_willis> check /var/cache/apt
[06:47] <dr_willis> i keep them around.
[06:47] <SkiffX> not that Im low on space
[06:47] <dr_willis> I got it set where my 3 pc's all use the same 'pc' to cache the deb packages. that way only 1 box has the files
[06:47] <dr_willis> perhaps once a month i clean it out.
[06:47] <SkiffX> heh nice
[06:48] <dr_willis> yep. thees getting to be mor ework done in that area also.
[06:48] <SkiffX> funny I just ran apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade and 1 min later I was checking X and there on the bottom right side it was indicating that there was more updates available
[06:48] <SkiffX> like 3 more
[06:48] <SkiffX> shouldnt havethat command taken care of that
[06:51] <dr_willis> who knows. :)  im still amazed that it can tell
[06:52] <dr_willis> i noticed/saw some mention of a security 'auto updater' also.. but forget where i saw that at.
[06:52] <dr_willis> staroffice dosent need to be hogging all the internet connection for its updates.  when theres imporntant updates heh .
[06:52] <SkiffX> i c
[06:53] <SkiffX> dr_willis, ever had both gnome and kde installed ?
[06:53] <dr_willis> SkiffX,  thats the standard for my machines. :)
[06:53] <SkiffX> nice
[06:53] <dr_willis> i normally install ubuntu, then install kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop from the start.
[06:53] <SkiffX> because Im not really sure which one I want
[06:53] <dr_willis> and a few other things.
[06:54] <dr_willis> you dont hafve to decide. :) use them both.. Mixx and match the apps.
[06:54] <SkiffX> yep
[06:54] <dr_willis> at the Login Screen theres a menu that people tend to over look to pick what one to use.
[06:54] <SkiffX> I had ubuntu installed
[06:54] <dr_willis> I must have a dozen window managers on this box.
[06:54] <SkiffX> then I installed kubuntu over it
[06:54] <SkiffX> so now Im on kubuntu
[06:55] <SkiffX> so how do I get gnome from kubuntu now?
[06:55] <SkiffX> or is it better to have ubuntu as a base
[06:55] <SkiffX> then get kubuntu desktop?
[06:55] <SkiffX> as well as others
[06:55] <dr_willis> it dosent matter.
[06:55] <dr_willis> the kdm or gdm login manager has a menu that lets you piuck what desktop to use.
[06:55] <SkiffX> ok
[06:56] <SkiffX> so I should do apt-get gdm or something?
[06:56] <dr_willis> ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop
[06:56] <dr_willis> are the meta-packages to install
[06:57] <dr_willis> You can use kdm to get to gnome desktop, and visa versa
[06:57] <dr_willis> you are proberly better off using KDM if you perfer kde. and gdm if you perfer gnome
[06:57] <SkiffX> heh
[06:57] <SkiffX> I have no idea what I prefer
[06:57] <SkiffX> hmm probably kde I guess
[06:58] <dr_willis> its trival to switch from kdm to gdm. :) so it dosent matter much
[06:58] <SkiffX> yeah you are right
[06:58] <SkiffX> especially now that I configured xorg.conf to my taste
[06:58] <SkiffX> ok lets get ubuntu-desktop
[06:59] <dr_willis> it pays to keep notes and a arvhives of your xorg.conf files :)
[06:59] <SkiffX> dr_willis, you still use win on any of the machines?
[07:00] <SkiffX> yeah I definitely will start keeping notes
[07:00] <SkiffX> so I wont forget wtf I did :P
[07:01] <dr_willis> windows xp on my main game box. and the laptop.
[07:01] <dr_willis> ubuntu is on all 3 machines also.
[07:01] <dr_willis> ubuntu only on this box. Its my MythTV box.
[07:02] <SkiffX> which one is a fileserver?
[07:02] <SkiffX> well the main aggregate of data
[07:02] <SkiffX> win or ubuntu
[07:02] <dr_willis> My Mythtv box is also my fileserver for the rest of the lan
[07:02] <dr_willis> Its on 24/7 :)
[07:03] <ardchoille> I have 11 Kubuntu boxes networked through the house.
[07:03] <Rictoo> how do I see what distro I'm running through terminal?
[07:03] <SkiffX> dr_willis, Im thinking of doing that
[07:03] <SkiffX> once I have more knowledge about linux
[07:03] <ardchoille> Rictoo: lsb_release -a
[07:04] <Rictoo> thanks <3
[07:04] <dr_willis> Rictoo,  most have some sort of version file  - and that lsb command :) reads it i think
[07:04] <SkiffX> but I sure dont wanna lose my 3tb now
[07:04] <SkiffX> but windows is quite annoying
[07:04] <SkiffX> although I havent seen vista yet
[07:04] <SkiffX> but its still outdated crap
[07:04] <SkiffX> compared to everything else
[07:04] <SkiffX> but enough of bashing :)
[07:05] <dr_willis> a $100 pc can be a good file server with linux
[07:08] <SkiffX> dr_willis, yeah but when you know what you are doing
[07:08] <SkiffX> but I was surprised with ease of ubuntu
[07:08] <SkiffX> I tried gentoo before
[07:08] <SkiffX> about 2 years ago
[07:08] <SkiffX> for 1-2 months
[07:08] <SkiffX> it was fun but way too much work in maintaining it
[07:08] <dr_willis> That describes gentoo
[07:08] <dr_willis> :)
[07:09] <SkiffX> but emerge command similar to apt-get is what got me to ubuntu
[07:09] <dr_willis> Heck thers distros designed where you install them. and bam - instant fileserver specilized box.
[07:09] <SkiffX> instead of RH and other distros
[07:09] <dr_willis> package management is an.. interesting.. computer  area  :)
[07:13] <dr_willis> well night....
[07:13] <felzix> somehow I managed to make my konqueror browser no longer display the images of one particular webcomic.  Any idea how I can reverse this?
[07:14] <Cosmo__> how well does ubuntu support graphic cards in SLI?
[07:14] <Cosmo__> err 2 graphics
[07:14] <michael__> can i just delete my old kernels?
[07:14] <michael__> if so how?
[07:15] <Jucato> michael__: you uninstall kernels like any other app or package. using the package manager (apt-get, Adept, etc.)
[07:15] <michael__> oh okay, thanks
[07:15] <Jucato> michael__: although I suggest you keep at least one older working kernel
[07:16] <Jucato> for backup, in case the current one refuses to boot
[07:16] <sparr> i swore i would never buy hdcp hardware.  am i cheating if i buy a video card that isnt hdcp-capable, but that contains a gpu that supports hdcp in different cards?
[07:17] <michael__> i already checked they both boot
[07:17] <michael__> im having a nother problem though
[07:17] <michael__> for soem reason knetworkmanager isnt starting
[07:17] <michael__> i see the green globe in the right hand corner but when i right click it , it just says knetworkmanager isnt running
[07:17] <michael__> so i cant get wireless working
[07:17] <michael__> but iwconfig does show my wireless
[07:18] <Cosmo__> how well does ubuntu support dual graphic  cards running in SLI mode?
[07:20] <dogatemycomputer> !sli
[07:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sli - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:22] <michael__> is there anyway to show what kde packages i have installed?
[07:23] <fatman>  hello, i am fat man and i weigh 400 pounds!  you can see video of my supreme fatness at www.fat-man.org
[07:23] <michael__> uh
[07:23] <michael__> !kick fatman
[07:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kick fatman - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:23] <michael__> heh
[07:23] <fignew> :P
[07:23] <michael__> yay
[07:23] <michael__> bye fatman
[07:23] <michael__> :)
[07:24] <Jucato> just a simple kick.. for now...
[07:24] <fignew> hehe
[07:24] <michael__> it will take him a while to walk back him being 400lbs and all
[07:24] <michael__> ;)
[07:24] <fignew> such a fair mod ;)
[07:24] <Jucato> lol
[07:24] <fignew> still has a brain though :P
[07:24] <ardchoille> michael__: You can send a list of installed packages to a text file with: dpkg --get-selections > packagelist.txt   and then cat packagelist.txt to read it
[07:26] <michael__> okay thanks
[07:42] <Cosmo__> I am getting ready to build myself a new computer, it has been awhile since I bought a new processor. On AMDs is the fx-64 or the athlon 64 x2's better?
[07:53] <michael__> ugh
[07:53] <michael__> please help, my knetworkmanager seems to be running, its a green globe, but when i right click it , it says knetworkmanager is not running
[07:54] <radioaktivstorm> hello, why is it that some of the windows are several hundred pixels to long on my screen (resolution: 1280x800) and how can i fix it
[07:58] <arescorpio> ---
[08:02] <radioaktivstorm> hmm, silence....
[08:16] <michael__> is there anyway to have dpkg be able to remove files based on specifiying the packages that they are installed from
[08:16] <michael__> i dont know the installed name, just the debs
[08:19] <sivaji> how to configure kopete to send sms
[08:21] <ardchoille> michael__: You could probably do a search for the names in adept
[08:21] <michael__> omfg
[08:22] <michael__> OMFG
[08:22] <michael__> i was going to uninstall dbus
[08:22] <michael__> and then reinstall it
[08:22] <ardchoille> lol
[08:22] <michael__> and some how, it decided to remove like EVERY prgram i had installed
[08:23] <michael__> i managed to kill adept before it finished, but now adept manager is uninstalled, and i cant apt-get, it says archive.ubuntu.com cant resole, even though it does in my browser
[08:23] <michael__> how might i fix that?
[08:24] <tahsin> ardchoille: im stuck in step 4
[08:25] <michael__>  ah thank god i could reinstall dbus
[08:25] <michael__> that fixed it
[08:25] <michael__> god i dont even know what it uninstalled before i stopped it
[08:26] <tahsin> ardchoille: you here ?
[08:26] <chuen> hi. I have a problem with the boot procedure 'stalling' i have to enter the menu to slecet the kernel manually.
[08:26] <ardchoille> tahsin: Yep :)
[08:26] <tahsin> ardchoille: can you help me in step 4 of baghira
[08:26] <chuen> this happened after i installed gde.
[08:27] <tahsin> ardchoille: how do i get the icons
[08:27] <ardchoille> tahsin: I can take a look at the tutorial, but I don't use baghira. What's the tutorial url?
[08:27] <chuen> but uninstalling gde doesn't fix the problem.
[08:27] <tahsin> ardchoille: http://baghira.sourceforge.net/OS_Clone-en.php#step4
[08:28] <ardchoille> tahsin: See the last word in the first sentence in step 4?
[08:28] <Skiff> guys what do you recommend as an app for sshing from xp to ubuntu?
[08:28] <michael__> is there anyway to tell what adept did?
[08:28] <Rictoo|SLP> libxml2-dev: Depends: libxml2 (= 2.6.27.dfsg-1ubuntu3) but 2.6.28.dfsg-1 is to be installed
[08:28] <ardchoille> tahsin: Click that word
[08:28] <Rictoo|SLP> How do I downgrade?
[08:28] <Rictoo|SLP> libxml2-dev: Depends: libxml2 (= 2.6.27.dfsg-1ubuntu3) but 2.6.28.dfsg-1 is to be installed
[08:29] <tahsin> ardchoille: yes i have downloaded that
[08:29] <michael__> Is there anyway to check what adept did before it uninstalled itself
[08:29] <tahsin> ardchoille: how do i use it
[08:29] <ardchoille> tahsin: There are instruction right on the OS-L page and that buildkit comes with a README file that explains how to set it all up.
[08:30] <tahsin> ardchoille: well i read them but failed to understand
[08:30] <tahsin> ardchoille: :(
[08:30] <ardchoille> tahsin: Basically, you have to unpack the buildkit and run the buildscript.. and wait a few minutes while it builds the icon set.
[08:30] <tahsin> ardchoille: failed to make it work
[08:31] <tahsin> ardchoille: how do i unpack and how do i run the buildkit script
[08:32] <ardchoille> tahsin: Where did you download it to?
[08:32] <tahsin> ardchoille: /home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons
[08:33] <tahsin> ardchoille: i also extracted it there
[08:33] <ardchoille> tahsin: Ok, that's just a build kit, what it does is make the icon set and package it up. The package you moved to ~/.kde/share/icons isn't the icon set.
[08:34] <blekos> hi, is there a way to associate a certain icon to a certain file extension?
[08:34] <tahsin> ardchoille: okay so how do i make an icon set
[08:35] <tinyx> hii
[08:35] <Contrast> Greets, everyone...
[08:35] <tinyx> heya
[08:35] <ardchoille> tahsin: cd ~/.kde/share/icons/OS-L-IconSet-Buildkit && ./buildset
[08:36] <tinyx> I got this digital camera, and you have to use software to get the pics off the camera because the camera takes pics in the .raw format
[08:36] <tinyx> and the software it came with is for windows
[08:36] <ardchoille> tinyx: I'm using digikam to do that with my camera, ut I don't know if digikam handles raw format
[08:36] <tinyx> oh
[08:37] <tahsin> ardchoille:
[08:37] <tahsin> tahsin@tahsin-desktop:~/.kde/share/icons/OS-L-IconSet-Buildkit$ ./buildset
[08:37] <tahsin> This script builds an installable KDE iconset using bash and convert.
[08:37] <tahsin> Change what you want, add additional sizes, whatever... :)
[08:37] <tahsin> Checking for bzip2... found /bin/bzip2
[08:37] <tahsin> Checking for tar...  found /bin/tar
[08:37] <tahsin> Checking for convert...  no.
[08:37] <tahsin> No convert found in path.
[08:37] <tahsin> ardchoille: then ?
[08:37] <ardchoille> tahsin: That is not what I posted is it?
[08:37] <Jucato> !paste | tahsin
[08:37] <ubotu> tahsin: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:37] <tahsin> ardchoille: i dont know
[08:37] <Contrast> Is it safe to remove the non-latest versions of the "linux-headers," "linux-image," and "linux-restricted-modules" packages?
[08:38] <ardchoille> tahsin: sudo apt-get install imagemagick  . whe that is installed go back and run that command I gave you again
[08:38] <ardchoille> tahsin: convert is part of the imagemagick suite
[08:38] <tahsin> ardchoille:ok
[08:39] <ardchoille> tahsin: Also, in the future, please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste stuff in the channel.
[08:39] <tinyx> yeah... thank you ardchoille
[08:39] <tahsin> ardchoille: ok
[08:39] <tahsin> ardchoille: convert is a part of...... i didnt get u there
[08:39] <ardchoille> tinyx: digikam work with it?
[08:40] <tinyx> its installing
[08:40] <ardchoille> tahsin: You are installing imagemagik, the convert app is part of imagemagik
[08:40] <tahsin> ardchoille: installation complete
[08:40] <tahsin> ardchoille: now i run that comman again
[08:40] <ardchoille> yes
[08:41] <hudanetcafe> haiiiiiiiiiii
[08:41] <tahsin> ardchoille: thanks
[08:42] <ardchoille> tahsin: When the buildset script is done, it will leave you with a tarball of the icon set, you simply need to unpack it into your desired location (~/.kde/share/icons) and then choose them in kcontrol
[08:43] <tahsin> ardchoille: thanks a lot
[08:43] <ardchoille> tahsin: You're welcome :)
[08:43] <tahsin> ardchoille: guess its working ....converting all icons
[08:44] <ardchoille> tahsin: When it's all done, you should post a screenshot in the screenshots section of the ubuntuforums and show it off :)
[08:44] <tahsin> ardchoille: so when converting finishes i will get a tarball and ill use kcontrol to install it right?
[08:44] <tinyx> digikam doesnt have my camera on its list of camera
[08:44] <tinyx> cameras
[08:44] <Contrast> ImageMagick really should be included by default.
[08:44] <ardchoille> tahsin: Yes, you can do it that way, it's faster.
[08:44] <tahsin> ardchoille: hehe ill try that
[08:45] <ardchoille> Contrast: O agree
[08:45] <ardchoille> s/O/I/
[08:45] <tahsin> ardchoille: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Carbon+Mac+OS+X+clone?content=52541
[08:45] <tahsin> ardchoille: i wana make my one like this :)
[08:46] <Contrast> So does anyone know the answer to my question? (s it safe to remove the non-latest versions of the "linux-headers," "linux-image," and "linux-restricted-modules" packages?) All of these outdated packages are taking up nearly a gig of space, and I'm trying to clean up my harddrive.
[08:46] <ardchoille> tahsin: Wow, that one is nice.
[08:47] <tahsin> ardchoille: yeah i love that
[08:47] <tahsin> ardchoille: i want my one to look like that ...hope you can help me :)
[08:48] <Jucato> Contrast: yes it's safe. although you might want to keep at least one other working kernel as backup
[08:49] <ardchoille> tahsin: That tutorial is far better than any help I can give you.
[08:49] <Contrast> Jucato: Thanks... Would you mind looking at a list of what I'm going to remove and keep?
[08:49] <tahsin> ardchoille: no i meant that carbon OS clone
[08:49] <Jucato> Contrast: hm.. ok. put it in a pastebin.
[08:50] <Contrast> K, one sec....
[08:50] <Jucato> Contrast: usually, the linux- packages not being used by your current kernel is safe safe to remove.
[08:51] <tahsin> ardchoille: is it ok that its taking so long to convert the icons ?
[08:51] <tahsin> ardchoille: P4 1.7 Ghz
[08:52] <tahsin> ardchoille: done :) tarring and compressing :)
[08:52] <djdarkman_> does someone know how can I 'burn' a mini distro on an USB flash drive?
[08:52] <tahsin> ardchoille: brb
[08:52] <ardchoille> tahsin: Yes, it takes a while to convert. It's takeing each icon, and converting to to several different sizes.
[08:52] <tahsin> ardchoille: i got an error
[08:52] <ardchoille> What's the error
[08:52] <tahsin> ardchoille: rmv: cannot move `128x128' to a subdirectory of itself, `OS-L/128x128'
[08:52] <tahsin> ardchoille: mv: cannot move `128x128' to a subdirectory of itself, `OS-L/128x128'
[08:53] <tahsin> ardchoille: is it an error?
[08:53] <ardchoille> tahsin: I got that too, it doesn't seem to make a difference though. ignore it for now.
[08:53] <tahsin> ardchoille: all done its complete installation time now
[08:55] <KevinAlaska> Howdy Folks!  Linux expert WANNA BE here help give out terrible advice to the unsuspecting person...   ^o)
[08:55] <KevinAlaska> I hope all goes well for everyone. :)
[08:55] <tahsin> lol kevin
[08:55] <igi> hello, does anyone know something about yazpp, it seems to be missing in feisty reps?
[08:56] <KevinAlaska> I do.. yeah.. suuuuurre!  I can help!  j/k
[08:56] <KevinAlaska> <-- dumb nut
[08:56] <tahsin> ardchoille: i have installed the theme from kcontrol but i dont see any changes
[08:58] <tahsin> whats up kevin
[08:58] <tahsin> how are the mosquitoes ?
[08:58] <ardchoille> tahsin: try restarting kcontrol
[08:59] <Contrast> Jucato: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22830/
[08:59] <tahsin> ardchoille: i did that
[08:59] <igi> hello, does anyone know something about yazpp, it seems to be missing in feisty reps?
[08:59] <tahsin> ardchoille: but the icons remain the same
[08:59] <Jucato> Contrast: looks fine to me
[09:00] <ardchoille> tahsin: You have to click the icon theme (to choose it) and then click the "Apply" button in the bottom right of that window to "apply" the settings
[09:00] <Contrast> Jucato: Thanks a lot.
[09:00] <KevinAlaska> I have a question to those who might know though... I have a daemon I have to load each time I come on the computer via Konsole. I have do a "sudo g15daemon".  How can I do this with out the need of typing this each time? I think the file for the command is at /etc/sudoers and then something else but I have no idea after that.
[09:00] <Contrast> So why aren't those outdated packages removed automatically when doing sudo apt-get autoremove?
[09:01] <ardchoille> Contrast: Because they weren't a dependency of another package that was installed?
[09:01] <tahsin> ardchoille: yes i did that and it said updating configuration but nothing happened
[09:01] <Jucato> Contrast: you usually don't want kernels to be suddenly autoremoved. these are the type of things you want to be exactly sure you want removed
[09:01] <Contrast> Oh ok. Makes sense.
[09:01] <ardchoille> Jucato: Good point
[09:01] <Jucato> Contrast: and because, as ardchoille mentioned, they're not the dependency of some package that was removed
[09:01] <Contrast> KevinAlaska: Make a shell script with that line and put it in ~/.kde/AutoStart
[09:01] <ardchoille> tahsin: Open the file manager and see if the icons changed.
[09:02] <tahsin> ardchoille: i did but no change
[09:02] <Jucato> igi: try searching in http://packages.ubuntu.com
[09:02] <tahsin> ardchoille: same old kubuntu icons
[09:02] <Contrast> KevinAlaska: If you need help on how to do that, let me know.
[09:03] <KevinAlaska> Contrast, heh.. I do not think you saw my post a bit back there claiming my path of knowledge to the linux expert... I am some where in the Noob area.. :)  what do you mean by your advanced set of words? :) heh
[09:03] <ardchoille> tahsin: I don't know, then, without being there and seeing what you're doing. the icons changed here
[09:03] <tahsin> ardchoille: okay
[09:03] <tahsin> ardchoille: how do i copy as root?
[09:04] <ardchoille> tahsin: copying a file or folder?
[09:04] <tahsin> it says to copy that tarball to usr/share/icons
[09:05] <ardchoille> sudo cp /path/to/tarball /usr/share/icons
[09:05] <tahsin> ardchoille: thnx
[09:06] <Contrast> KevinAlaska: My apologies. Hehe. Just open Kate (or whatever text editor you use), then paste the text found here - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22831/ - into it. Save it as something like daemon-start or whatever you want under ~/.kde/Autostart, then do "chmod a+x ~/.kde/Autostart/daemon-start" from a terminal (e.g., Konsole).
[09:07] <Contrast> KevinAlaska: You'll be asked for your password after logging in each time, but that's the only way I know of achieving this. Someone else, feel free to step in here. :D
[09:08] <tahsin> ardchoille: my path to tarball is /home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons/OS-L-IconSet-Buildkit
[09:09] <KevinAlaska> ahhh.. then maybe you can give a step of insight on the weblink I have that touched bases on this.. one sec let me fetch it.
[09:09] <tahsin> ardchoille: i tried sudo cv /home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons/OS-L-IconSet-Buildkit
[09:09] <KevinAlaska> that was for Contrast
[09:09] <Contrast> K...
[09:09] <tahsin> ardchoille: can u plz tell me what to tpe?
[09:10] <Contrast> Anyone have any ideas as to why my system is trying to resume from a hibernate image every time I boot now, even though I never put it into hibernate mode?
[09:11] <|lostbyte|> How to check back block on hda5 ?
[09:11] <|lostbyte|> it askes for control-D or root pass
[09:12] <|lostbyte|> control-D goes back to same screen at booy
[09:12] <|lostbyte|> ??
[09:14] <Jack3> ugh please help
[09:14] <Jack3> i need to totally re do dbus
[09:14] <Jack3> and ive tried everyway of reinstalling it
[09:15] <Jack3> but knetworkmanager still wont start
[09:15] <Jack3> it just keeps giving the error about dbus
[09:15] <Jack3> is there some command that will reset essential packages to normal?
[09:15] <Contrast> Jack3: sudo dpkg-reconfigure dbus
[09:17] <Contrast> Jack3: I could be wrong. I just opened a terminal and did tab-completion to make sure that's a valid command, but based on what dpkg-reconfigure does for Xorg, I'd imagine that's what you're looking for.
[09:18] <Jack3> ugh
[09:18] <Jack3> no
[09:18] <Jack3> this is what happens when i do knetworkmanager
[09:18] <Jack3> Connection to D-Bus system message bus failed:
[09:18] <Jack3> Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory.
[09:19] <Jack3> can someone tel me what resides in /var/run/dbus
[09:21] <Jack3> hello
[09:21] <KevinAlaska> Contrast, dang.. took me long enough to find it.. I couldn't even find the link in my history.. well here it is ---> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2461304&postcount=285  I have a part near the bottom that reads the following.  "if you want to have the daemon autorun on startup try running (BE CAREFUL)"  I guess it more like 1/2 the way down the document.  its not very long
[09:22] <KevinAlaska> so the part that asks me to "Change the user part and add the following to the end of the file:" I am not sure exactly which part that is in the file.  to me that could be two different places.
[09:24] <KevinAlaska> my file output in konsole is http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/916317
[09:24] <Jack3> can someone please dcc me their /var/run/dbus folder :(
[09:25] <KevinAlaska> dcc?
[09:25] <Jack3> or upload it to rapidshare.com
[09:25] <KevinAlaska> file transfer?
[09:25] <Jack3> yeh
[09:25] <KevinAlaska> sure.. if no one else has it
[09:25] <Jack3> please :\
[09:28] <KevinAlaska> there are 2 files
[09:29] <KevinAlaska> did that first file transfer come up?
[09:29] <Jack3> no :\
[09:29] <DBO> Jack3, /var/run is a temporary filesystem
[09:29] <Jack3> if you want you can zip them and upload to rapidshare.com
[09:29] <Jack3> it is ?
[09:29] <DBO> yes
[09:29] <Jack3> fuck
[09:29] <DBO> it is generated at boot
[09:29] <KevinAlaska> okay
[09:29] <Jack3> god i hate this
[09:29] <DBO> what did you do?
[09:29] <KevinAlaska> ohh.. potty fingers!  :P
[09:30] <Jack3> heh
[09:30] <Jack3> ubuntu system panel?
[09:30] <DBO> guess not
[09:30] <DBO> you would know if you were
[09:30] <DBO> Jack3, have you rebooted, it sounds like dbus simply isnt running
[09:31] <Jack3> yes ive rebooted, and dbus is running
[09:31] <joakim_> hi
[09:31] <DBO> if you "sudo ls -l /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket" do you get anything
[09:32] <joakim_> I have a canon printer but there is no drivers for it for linux
[09:32] <joakim_> does anyone know what to do ..or how to intstall the printer anyway?
[09:32] <KevinAlaska> you have to use generic drivers....
[09:32] <DBO> joakim_, I know this is going to sound REALLY harsh... but cannon sucks get a HP...
[09:33] <joakim_> ok how do I do that?
[09:33] <joakim_> yeah next time hp for me
[09:33] <Jack3> ls: /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
[09:33] <DBO> Jack3, if you "sudo ls -l /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket" do you get anything
[09:33] <KevinAlaska> best thing about cannon is they use different colors in different carts so you do not have to throw out sets of 3 colors just because one is gone
[09:33] <Jack3> DBO ^^
[09:33] <DBO> Jack3, thank you =)
[09:34] <joakim_> so how do I use these generic drivers?
[09:34] <nagyv> is it normal in feisty, that amarok does not knows the details of the played last.fm track? in edgy it knew about it.
[09:35] <DBO> Jack3, "ps -e | grep dbus-daemon" turn anything up?
[09:35] <KevinAlaska> hummm.. let me check them out.  USB setup?
[09:35] <KevinAlaska> which model?
[09:35] <Jack3> DBO,  6279 ?        00:00:00 dbus-daemon
[09:35] <joakim_> yes conection through USB
[09:35] <joakim_> ip5300
[09:35] <joakim_> yes
[09:36] <KevinAlaska> so menu--->system settings--->Printers
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> click on add
[09:37] <DBO> Jack3, just stay with me ok?
[09:37] <Jack3> ok
[09:37] <joakim_> sorry cant find printer
[09:37] <joakim_> printers in system settings
[09:37] <joakim_> gotit
[09:38] <KevinAlaska> have you done this part before in trying to setup the printer?
[09:38] <joakim_> click on add printer & get option to chose clasic or special printer
[09:38] <joakim_> which one
[09:38] <joakim_> ?
[09:38] <KevinAlaska> might have to try both but classic should be the one
[09:38] <joakim_> no
[09:39] <DBO> Jack3, cat /etc/default/dbus | tail -1
[09:39] <Jack3> DBO, that returns ENABLED=1
[09:39] <joakim_> ok I am working with the wisard ad printer now
[09:40] <KevinAlaska> joakim_, isn't it add ---> then choose 'add printer/class'?
[09:40] <DBO> Jack3, does a pid file exist in /var/run/dbus?
[09:40] <KevinAlaska> okay good.. best of luck then. :)
[09:40] <Jack3> dbo, no
[09:41] <DBO> Jack3, can you please put your /etc/init.d/dbus in pastebin.ca for me
[09:41] <Etokura> !grub
[09:41] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:42] <Jack3> dbo, http://pastebin.ca/515533
[09:42] <joakim_> Kevin..now I want to chose USB port...but it say it is no a valid port
[09:43] <DBO> Jack3, well what the heck, lets just go ahead and nip this one in the butt then and try it the old fashioned way
[09:43] <DBO> Jack3, sudo /etc/init.d/dbus stop
[09:43] <joakim_> ok now it works
[09:43] <DBO> Jack3, sudo killall dbus-daemon
[09:44] <DBO> Jack3, sudo dbus-daemon --nofork --system
[09:44] <KevinAlaska> I found this really cool desktop (what do they call them?) widget that lets me do a search from a small window on the desktop that gives fast results.. called "KarambaLocate"... awesome little thing to have.. try it when wanting to find files folders etc... you then click on them to open them up.. I use "SuperKaramba" program that I loaded in to manage these widgets or what ever they are called.
[09:44] <DBO> then go ahead and tell me what wonderful error output you get, if none, go ahead and try an application for me Jack3 =)
[09:44] <Jack3> DBO, Failed to start message bus: The pid file "/usr/var/run/dbus/pid" exists, if the message bus is not running, remove this file
[09:45] <DBO> I see our problem
[09:45] <Jack3> hahaha
[09:45] <joakim_> no it found my ip5300... on the next page I can chose CANON there other models but not the ip5300...
[09:45] <Jack3> it puts it in /usr/var/run
[09:45] <Jack3> theres the dbus socket thing too
[09:45] <joakim_> what to chose?
[09:45] <Jack3> how do we get it to /var/run
[09:46] <KevinAlaska> joakim_, double check your cable and maybe try another cable if you have one.  Make sure printer power is on.  These steps seems trivial but from my years of none linux computer work, this is a big time common problem... just checking the bases
[09:46] <DBO> Jack3, just hold your horses for a moment I need to read man pages =)
[09:46] <Jack3> :P
[09:46] <KevinAlaska> well they normally use a series like ip5000 which would cover all ip5300 or ip5500 etc
[09:47] <joakim_> aha ok
[09:47] <KevinAlaska> horses? how many horses you got?
[09:47] <KevinAlaska> heh.. :P
[09:47] <joakim_> :) no that starts with ipxxxx
[09:47] <joakim_> bumer
[09:48] <DBO> Jack3, /etc/dbus-1/system.conf -> pastebin please
[09:49] <KevinAlaska> humm.. you might have to try different ones and see what happens.... look for a model number sticker that might give other information that might be on that list.  Otherwise try looking for pieces of that model number for a selection choice.. ie. choose different ipxxxx or as you said no ipxxxx choose other 5000 series etc
[09:49] <Jack3> http://pastebin.ca/515537
[09:49] <joakim_> you think BJC-xxxx or LBP-xxxx is the one?
[09:50] <harmental> hey everybody....
[09:50] <joakim_> ok I'll try
[09:50] <KevinAlaska> I will see if I can't google something for you real fast.
[09:50] <harmental> Im having a weird problem with my wifi connection.....
[09:50] <DBO> Jack3, ok now sudo killall dbus-daemon
[09:50] <harmental> at startup...it seeems like it is connected to my router....
[09:51] <joakim_> ok thanks
[09:51] <DBO> Jack3, sudo dbus-daemon --nofork --system --config-file /etc/dbus-1/system.conf
[09:51] <harmental> but when i ping google or my router it doesnt find anything...
[09:51] <harmental> i have to disconnect and then reconnect...
[09:51] <harmental> then its all ok...
[09:51] <harmental> im having this problem since my upgrade to feisty..
[09:51] <harmental> any ideas?