[12:00] <topyli> this i don't know :(
[12:00] <Thundercracker> safrican, don't see why not
[12:00] <rainer> Hi there, just got a short question: I got Ubuntu now running on two maschines and wanna use one just as x display so I added the other to xhost, but still can't open the display, anybody can tell me why?
[12:00] <Thundercracker> safrican, the sources are in the ubuntu servers
[12:00] <Thundercracker> safrican, feel free to d/ld
[12:00] <topyli> francisco: anyway, it's 1AM, i have to go to bed
[12:00] <safrican> Thundercracker: awesome. Thanks!
[12:00] <CarlK> starhaw1, when you do the install, pick "server" at the boot promt, that will not install anyhting other than what you need to run apt-get
[12:01] <Gokhan-> is there going to be a release today?
[12:01] <computerguy867> has anyones gdeskelets stopped working after the hoary gdesklets update that came out in the last day or two
[12:01] <francisco> topyli, no problem. Thanks for all your help :)
[12:01] <starhaw1> thank you very much thats all for today I am going to try the new cd  now and again thank you
[12:01] <Burgundavia> Gokhan-: friday, got bumped due to the gnome 2.10.1 release
[12:01] <Gokhan-> Burgundavia, thanks...
[12:02] <topyli> francisco: by all means. there are others here you can ask :)
[12:02] <topyli> bye
[12:02] <kevogod> Do you know when Ubuntu CDs will be shipped? (how many days after release)
[12:02] <CarlK> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ReleaseParty
[12:02] <computerguy867> does anyone have any suggestions for fixing them?
[12:03] <yfir> kevogod: I got my warty CDs about 2 weeks after Warty was released (if that helps). I live in NA
[12:03] <kevogod> Thanks, yfir.
[12:03] <kevogod> (and CarlK)
[12:04] <safrican> Thundercracker: mind if i ask you fi they are where you can d/l the ISOs or on a different mirror ?
[12:04] <brrrt> crimsun: i have no idea what i did wrong :(
[12:04] <thully> does anyone know how to change the bitrate you're ripping at in Sound Juicer?  This is baffling me quite a bit...
[12:05] <Jimbob> thully: What version of s-j?
[12:05] <thully> the one in Hoary RC
[12:05] <Thundercracker> safrican, that is a good question....one that i don't know the answer to unfortunately ..its prolly on the wikki or maybe some one here knows
[12:05] <thully> BTW, I want to rip to MP3
[12:06] <kro> Where can I find policy describing the criteria used for adding packages to a stable release of Ubuntu?
[12:06] <safrican> Thundercracker: alright - thanks
[12:06] <kro> Like for instance, once hoary releases, what criteria is necessary to add an update?
[12:06] <toresbe> hmm
[12:06] <toresbe> how can I switch off unicode?
[12:07] <yfir> kro: packages aren't really added to a stable release. mostly just security updates
[12:07] <LadyRoot> toresbe, dpkg-reconfigure locale
[12:07] <toresbe> LadyRoot: bahhhhhhhh
[12:07] <dcraven> thully, I'm not sure you can. IIRC it is hardcoded to make it less confusing... As silly as that sounds.
[12:07] <toresbe> I should be shot
[12:07] <Burgundavia> kro: new packages are added to a stable release, only to the next release
[12:08] <toresbe> Package `locale' is not installed and no info is available.
[12:08] <toresbe> ?!
[12:08] <LadyRoot> toresbe, dpkg-reconfigure locales
[12:08] <LadyRoot> sorry
[12:08] <kro> Why are there 3 repositories?  For hoary it looks like there is a hoary secction, a hoary-updates, and a hoary-security
[12:08] <thully> what does it use, BTW?  I'm thinking probably 128, or maybe VBR...
[12:08] <toresbe> I thought it *was* locale
[12:08] <toresbe> oh well
[12:08] <dcraven> thully, lemme look at the code.
[12:09] <e_machinist> Does anyone here have any experience with installing MOHAA under Ubuntu?
[12:09] <brrrt> crimsun: is C-Media Electronics CMI9761 mixer the problem ?
[12:10] <brrrt> crimsun: it seems i have a C-Media Electronics CMI9761 mixer
[12:10] <toresbe> LadyRoot: thanks :)
[12:10] <LadyRoot> toresbe, no problem
[12:10] <brrrt> crimsun: but it works on suse
[12:11] <brrrt> crimsun: and on the ubuntu live-cd
[12:11] <thully> also, I've been trying to get Sound Juicer working with AAC format (by way of gstreamer-faac).  I duplicated the instructions for MP3 format for AAC (changing MP3 references to appropriate values for AAC) and I get huge, unreadable files.  any way to fix this?
[12:11] <shivy> hya :-)
[12:12] <shivy> I have a question, where is my gameport under Ubuntu ?
[12:12] <toresbe> shivy: where it always has been, behind your computer ;)
[12:12] <toresbe> shivy: what do you mean?
[12:12] <dcraven> thully, I'm not seeing the bitrate set anywhere obvious just yet...
[12:12] <shivy> I know but I mean :-) hehehe Where in /dev
[12:12] <toresbe> shivy: /dev/js0 /dev/js1 ...
[12:13] <shivy> or js0 ?
[12:13] <membreya> anyone managed to successfully get OO.o2 and an AMD64 working yet?
[12:13] <shivy> ah
[12:13] <shivy> =-)
[12:13] <shivy> ok this is whats up I have a laserpen for gameport which is used for reading barcodes
[12:14] <shivy> Now how could I do this ...its on js0
[12:15] <dcraven> thully, you might want to try grip... It's a bit more flexible I hear. Have a look.
[12:15] <ubll> How necessary is a firewall in Ubuntu?
[12:15] <CarlK> starhaw1, did kb3 complain about "unable to find cdrdao" ?
[12:16] <kbrooks> ubll, very necessary, imo, if you are running a server on it or browsing the web
[12:16] <CarlK> hmm, no starhaw anymore...
[12:16] <thully> what about ripping to AAC?  any clue how to get that going (I actually added the info to RestrictedFormats wiki for this, but discovered that the ripped files were unreadable).
[12:16] <ubll> kbrooks, can you reccomend me a firewall similiar to Zonealarm?
[12:16] <CarlK> kbrooks, in Ubunto, the default is "no open ports" so what would the firewall do?
[12:17] <kbrooks> ubll, "similar"? with all the bells and whistles?
[12:17] <ubll> kbrooks, I like the "learning" ability of it. When I open an app it asks if I would like it to have access or not
[12:17] <kbrooks> ubll, Well,
[12:17] <CarlK> Win boxes need a FW because they are like swis chease (no offence to the Swiss)
[12:17] <Thundercracker> ubll, iptables should do everything you want
[12:17] <dcraven> thully, I dunno what AAC is, so I'll not be much help :)
[12:18] <bufalo73> ubll, choose the  one you like. there are many... and free
[12:18] <Thundercracker> ubll, you prolly want a front end to help you set it up
[12:18] <kbrooks> ubll, unfortunaely, no firewall FWIK provides support for that
[12:18] <ubll> Alright, thank you all for the advice.
[12:18] <kbrooks> ubll, iptables is just a firewall
[12:18] <kbrooks> ubll, recommendation:
[12:19] <kbrooks> firestarter
[12:19] <ubll> kbrooks, I'll look into it
[12:19] <ubll> ok
[12:19] <CarlK> ubll, unless you start installing servers, I don't think a FW will do anything
[12:19] <thully> AAC= Advanced Audio Codec, also sometimes known as mp4, works on iPods
[12:19] <Thundercracker> kbrooks, yeh thats actually quite good
[12:19] <that> hi
[12:19] <kbrooks> Thundercracker, i find it good, too.
[12:19] <dieman> heh, totem feels sort of heavy duty to play .wav files with :)
[12:20] <Thundercracker> ubll, also just by not starting services you don't need you effectively don't need a firewall unless you want to do rate-limits and stuff like that
[12:21] <Vjaz> Hi.
[12:21] <ubll> thundercracker, I have a simple desktop atm. I think a firewall might be overkill but I'm used to windows
[12:21] <ubll> I'll try firestarter
[12:21] <Vjaz> Anyone else annoyed by the fact that now that Nautilus no longer opens extra windows, the "single window" seems to bounce around when moving in directories?
[12:22] <Vjaz> It seems to me that Nautilus still opens a new window for each directory, but it just closes the old ones.
[12:22] <that> somebody have try kubuntu?
[12:22] <dieman> Vjaz: yes, its awful, i hate it too
[12:22] <dieman> Vjaz: try double middle clicking
[12:23] <speedy2782> what is better, more reliable, faster, more versatile- open or koffice
[12:23] <Nikos__> can anyone tell me how to download SIMULTANEOUSLY more than one files with wget ?
[12:23] <dcraven> Vjaz, In gconf-editor set /apps/nautilus/preferences/no_ubuntu_spatial to true. You need to create the key yourself, as a boolean.
[12:23] <LeeJunFan> that: many people. There is also a #kubuntu channel.
[12:23] <dcraven> Vjaz, I know it's silly, but if you want it back to normal, that's how.
[12:23] <that> tnk you sorry for ot :)
[12:23] <LeeJunFan> that: it's not really OT.
[12:23] <that> that's right
[12:24] <gordonjcp> crimsun: the noapic etc. line works for me
[12:24] <LeeJunFan> that: kubuntu and ubuntu are really the same thing with a different default desktop environment.
[12:24] <gordonjcp> crimsun: thanks for your help, that's got it
[12:24] <dcraven> Nikos__, open more terminals? :)
[12:24] <that> but my very question is if apt repositories are the same of the 5.04 RE
[12:24] <LeeJunFan> that: yes, kubuntu and ubuntu use same repositories.
[12:25] <speedy2782> what is the best office suite?
[12:25] <that> tnk
[12:25] <LeeJunFan> speedy2782: MS Office.
[12:25] <Nikos__> dcraven its time consuming
[12:25] <Nikos__> istn there a command ?
[12:25] <LeeJunFan> :)
[12:25] <Thundercracker> ubll, its all good. Its always difficult to understand a new way of doing things
[12:25] <Amaranth> speedy2782: OpenOffice.org if you want completeness, AbiWord and Gnumeric if you want speed
[12:25] <Vjaz> dieman, dcraven: Thanks.
[12:25] <dcraven> speedy2782, you'll probably get as many answers as there are office suites. I like Abiword/Gnumeric myself.
[12:25] <ubll> :)
[12:25] <dcraven> Vjaz, no sweat.
[12:25] <Amaranth> speedy2782: Although Abiword and Gnumeric are really good with MS Office compatibility too
[12:26] <ubll> Oh, one other question. What's a good Genesis emulator?
[12:26] <Vjaz> Hm... double middle clicking seems ok I guess. I'll use that until it's made more sane.
[12:27] <loaofwar3> hi i have a printer problem
[12:27] <LeeJunFan> Am I the only one who either a) doesn't reboot every day, or b) has Xorg eating large amounts of ram?
[12:27] <loaofwar3> i tried to ask in the ubuntu foroms but nobody would answer
[12:27] <dcraven> ubll, I see dgen in synaptic.
[12:27] <ubll> dcraven, thank you :)
[12:27] <loaofwar3> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=118535#post118535
[12:27] <loaofwar3> can someone help me?
[12:27] <dcraven> Ewww.. Anyone else noticing a change in some ubuntu-artwork colours as of a few hours ago?
[12:28] <holycow> lao just ask
[12:28] <icecube> wheb is the final relese 5.04 or should i start downloading RC
[12:28] <holycow> -+oh heh
[12:28] <holycow> sorry -_-
[12:28] <dcraven> loaofwar3, you asked on the forum like 10 minutes ago dude...
[12:28] <Burgundavia> icecube: this friday
[12:28] <holycow> lao, check www.linuxprinting.org for compatability
[12:29] <punkrockguy318> Burgundavia, i thought the release date was set for today
[12:29] <punkrockguy318> Burgundavia, did they back it up?
[12:29] <loaofwar3> it is pefectly compatible
[12:29] <Burgundavia> punkrockguy318: they bumped to friday to allow testing of gnome 2.10.1
[12:29] <jnc> punkrockguy318: there's no way they'd release it;  printing is broken in OpenOffice for amd64
[12:29] <icecube> friday it is i'll wait tell friday :)
[12:29] <jnc> AFAIk
[12:29] <punkrockguy318> jnc, oh
[12:29] <jnc> i've tried asking about who i can help out to fix that
[12:30] <jnc> but i get the runaround from overworked devs
[12:30] <punkrockguy318> nvidia-glx is also broken
[12:30] <jnc> :/
[12:30] <punkrockguy318> and i'm hoping they fix they fork bomb holes
[12:30] <jnc> well nvidia is unsupported
[12:30] <punkrockguy318> this is true
[12:30] <dcraven> brb
[12:30] <punkrockguy318> jnc, it's working alright, except for the permssions..
[12:30] <jnc> punkrockguy318: so really what you're saying is "i hope i learn how to fix it myself" ;)
[12:31] <holycow> lao nothing obvious that i can think of, i gotta get back to work, sorry wish i was of more help
[12:31] <loaofwar3> jnc: punkrockguy318: there's no way they'd release it;  printing is broken in OpenOffice for amd64? is this true?
[12:31] <punkrockguy318> jnc, i know how to fix it, i was just hoping that it would be fixed by default
[12:31] <loaofwar3> i have amd64 and ooo doesnt print
[12:31] <jnc> loaofwar3: i keep saying it.   it's in bug tracker (the summary of the bug isn't making this obvious)
[12:31] <punkrockguy318> loaofwar3, did you update today? there was an ooo update
[12:31] <jnc> search bugzilla.ubuntu.com for 'spadmin'
[12:32] <brrrt> i still have no luck with my via82xx/CMI9761
[12:32] <jnc> punkrockguy318: take a look at the same bug and you can see for yourself what version
[12:32] <loaofwar3> i updated today but still no luck
[12:32] <brrrt> has anyone a hint for me, please?
[12:32] <jnc> i posted on it the version that is not working for me
[12:32] <punkrockguy318> jnc, i'm not using amd64
[12:33] <dcraven> Oh my, the new Human colours are nasty!
[12:33] <jnc> ?
[12:33] <punkrockguy318> dcraven, in a good way?
[12:33] <jnc> dcraven: #ubuntu-graphicsflamewars  i believe
[12:33] <dcraven> Well.. should I maybe say different.
[12:33] <punkrockguy318> it was a shock at first, but i guess i kind of liek themn
[12:33] <jnc> i like the earthtones
[12:33] <dcraven> punkrockguy318, if you like red/brown.
[12:33] <dcraven> jnc, hehe I guess it's already been discussed :)
[12:34] <jnc> dcraven: bright colours are hard to use for a long time, i'd say
[12:34] <jnc> especially with 1000:1 contract LCD panels
[12:34] <punkrockguy318> dcraven, i'd like to see gtk start to use seperate color/engine themes... like kde... i REALLY like the Human engine, but i'm not to fond of the earthtones
[12:34] <jnc> you know what i mean.  retnia-scalding bright.
[12:34] <ubll> exit
[12:34] <dcraven> Maybe I'll get used to this, but I quite liked the duller brown I must say.
[12:35] <dcraven> punkrockguy318, I like the earthtones, but if I saw any earth that was this colour, I'd avoid it.
[12:35] <dcraven> Hmm.. Maybe it's not that bad.
[12:36] <dcraven> Gotta be original though for sure... heh
[12:36] <jnc> dcraven: just you wait, next thing y'know you'll be painting the walls in your kitchen that colour
[12:36] <Burgundavia> PEI look something like this
[12:36] <sanmarcos>  Hi, I am getting a very weird error, when i try to su, and I put the right passwd, I get auth failed, and I try changing it with ro single at boot.. this is weird, a few days ago I had probelms with all my permissiones being changed, any ideas?
[12:36] <punkrockguy318> sander_, you need to do a sudo su
[12:36] <jnc> sanmarcos: su root is disabled
[12:36] <jnc> sanmarcos: 'sudo bash'  is what i use
[12:37] <punkrockguy318> or that
[12:37] <sanmarcos> jnc: I am in debian
[12:37] <jnc> sanmarcos: there's a channel for that
[12:37] <jnc> ;)
[12:37] <punkrockguy318> i've been seeming to have a problem... my middle mouse button doesn't work
[12:37] <accuser> sanmarcos: 'sudo su' will do the business
[12:37] <sanmarcos> all apathetic people, nobody answers
[12:37] <sanmarcos> sudo: must be setuid root
[12:37] <punkrockguy318> how can I troubleshoot this?
[12:37] <jnc> sanmarcos: that sounds like #debian alright
[12:37] <sanmarcos> accuser: can it have anything to do with /bin permissiones being fscked?
[12:38] <jnc> sanmarcos: did you make a backup?
[12:38] <sanmarcos> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root those were the old perms
[12:38] <sanmarcos> -rwxrwxrwx  1 root root thats what I have now
[12:38] <accuser> sanmarcos: ohh - that is significant
[12:39] <jnc> sanmarcos: i would check for rootkits, then restore from backup if you don't find something
[12:39] <jnc> if you do find something, don't bother calling the feds unless there's more than 10kusd damages
[12:39] <dcraven> jnc, hehe.. restore from backup...
[12:39] <jnc> dcraven: some of us still do backups, ya'herd.
[12:39] <sanmarcos> jnc: I dont think I was hacked
[12:39] <dcraven> :)
[12:39] <kbrooks> I neeed the latesdt firestarter
[12:40] <jnc> kbrooks: wal-mart.   you mean software though
[12:40] <kbrooks> yes
[12:40] <jnc> i wonder how similar firestarter is to fire...   i mean fwbuilder
[12:40] <kbrooks> jnc, no
[12:40] <kbrooks> i meann gurd dog
[12:40] <kbrooks> guarddog
[12:40] <jnc> ah
[12:41] <dcraven> I'm gonna go to the forum and read the bazillion different flame threads about the new colour.
[12:41] <sanmarcos> see but I can login
[12:41] <sanmarcos> or else I wouldnt be here
[12:41] <sanmarcos> I just cant su, or su to another user
[12:43] <punkrockguy318> I'm having mouse problems.. My middle button does not work.. What steps should I take to diagnos this problem?
[12:43] <i0n_st0rm> what's the date for hoary becoming the "current" release again?
[12:44] <punkrockguy318> friday
[12:44] <i0n_st0rm> sweet thanks
[12:44] <administrator> I already have it ;P
[12:45] <i0n_st0rm> i'm on it right now.. was just trying to figure out when they would be marking it officially as being the current stable
[12:45] <i0n_st0rm> :)
[12:46] <jnc> i0n_st0rm: my campaign is to make sure the devs are aware of OpenOffice failing to print for amd64 platform and Hoary
[12:46] <i0n_st0rm> now doesn't that just make your day?
[12:46] <jnc> i0n_st0rm: bug has been submitted, and i'd say this is a major feature for business casual users
[12:46] <jnc> yea
[12:46] <Rebroad> kernel 2.6.10-25 works on my PC, but sometime after that version, they've introduced a bug.. anyone know who I should notify about this please?
[12:46] <jnc> it used to work
[12:47] <jnc> now it don't.  what gives?  dunno.
[12:47] <jnc> Rebroad: have you submitted a bugzilla.ubuntu.com report?
[12:47] <dazed|ubu> where are most of the icon files located?
[12:47] <Rebroad> jnc: I'm not sure. let me check my emails to see if what I submitted was one of those.
[12:48] <i0n_st0rm> jnc: hopefully just a minor oversight that will be fixed in a near-future update
[12:48] <flodine> is there a new release on friday
[12:49] <jnc> i0n_st0rm: i realise, though myself i do not know enough to debug this problem
[12:49] <proth> dazed|ubu: /usr/share/pixmaps
[12:49] <jnc> and it seems the devs are so busy preparing for release, they will miss this
[12:49] <i0n_st0rm> flodine: it seems that hoary becomes the current release friday, if that is what you are asking
[12:49] <jnc> also meanwhile I have made the decision to depend on Ubuntu Hoary for my day-to-day business
[12:50] <jnc> i won't complain, though I feel it is important that they fix this before release
[12:50] <jnc> or a lot of people for amd64 are going to be submitting bugs
[12:51] <i0n_st0rm> jnc: look on the bright side.. even if they fail to fix that specific issue before release, they will be ahead of microsoft on the bugs-on-release issue
[12:51] <jnc> i0n_st0rm: the bright side is so much brighter when your desktop is brown.
[12:52] <brrrt> crimsun: i got it!
[12:52] <i0n_st0rm> jnc: while i do use the default background in ubuntu, i will likely not do so for an extended time
[12:52] <brrrt> crimsun: aktivating all channels in alsamixer was a BAD idea !
[12:52] <jnc> i0n_st0rm: i keep telling myself "down. load. new. wall. paper"
[12:52] <jnc> it never happens!
[12:52] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[12:52] <i0n_st0rm> i've just not gotten around to it
[12:52] <whiskey_2> yes i would say oo is nice but not necessary unless you just  want to use it
[12:53] <brrrt> crimsun: i had to  deactivate "IEC958 C" , now i can hear sound :)
[12:53] <i0n_st0rm> i'll likely just end up throwing on one of my standard wall papers and call it a day
[12:53] <whiskey_2> abi/gnumeric/gimpshop/glom fairly cover the basics
[12:53] <jnc> whiskey_2: gnome-office ?
[12:53] <whiskey_2> jnc, what is gnome-office?
[12:54] <jnc> whiskey_2: meta package for what you just mentioned, i think
[12:54] <whiskey_2> jnc, yes it would be nice to have one metapackage install for those
[12:54] <jnc> gimpshop and glom?
[12:54] <whiskey_2> jnc, yes they are nice
[12:55] <jnc> i haven't heard of glom before
[12:55] <whiskey_2> jnc, man where have you been
[12:56] <imka> hi
[12:56] <whiskey_2> jnc, go over to www.glom.org and learn something
[12:57] <jnc> oh
[12:57] <jnc> access work-alike
[12:57] <imka> after a recent upgrade, ndiswrapper is not loaded at boot. it says smthg like "modprobe.conf exists but doesn't include modrpobe.d". i'm running hoary
[12:57] <imka> any ideas what is up?
[12:57] <CrashTECH> I am having trouble building ndiswrapper so that I can install my linksys wireless card, can anybody provide some insight?
[12:57] <imka> CrashTECH, what's the problem?
[12:57] <e_machinist> How goes it?
[12:57] <whiteknight> CrashTECH, what are you running, you don't need to build ndiswrapper.
[12:58] <CrashTECH> ver 4.10
[12:58] <jnc> warty. hm..
[12:58] <CrashTECH> I was following a how-to from the forums
[12:58] <whiteknight> CrashTECH, its really easy, have you got hold of the ndiswrapper-utils package?
[12:58] <imka> does anyone have a clue to my problem? ^^
[12:58] <i0n_st0rm> lol damn.. how do i find and kill a running process?
[12:59] <whiteknight> i0n_st0rm, ps ax
[12:59] <imka> i0n_st0rm, top
[12:59] <CrashTECH> I wasnt able to find the utils package.
[12:59] <i0n_st0rm> ah thanks.. it's been quite a few years since actually getting into that
[12:59] <CrashTECH> I have no network connection in *nix from the if not in windows
[12:59] <CrashTECH> I was trying to get either the wired or wireless lan going
[12:59] <imka> after a recent upgrade, ndiswrapper is not loaded at boot. it says smthg like "modprobe.conf exists but doesn't include modrpobe.d". i'm running hoary
[12:59] <whiteknight> CrashTECH, http://packages.ubuntu.com/warty/misc/ndiswrapper-utils
[01:00] <i0n_st0rm> there we go
[01:00] <flipy> hi!!!
[01:00] <i0n_st0rm> whiteknight: thanks :)
[01:00] <whiteknight> imka, does it work manually?
[01:00] <whiteknight> i0n_st0rm, no worries
[01:01] <flipy> i want to control all modules loaded at boot, where can i check modules being loaded? (i want to check the acpi support)
[01:01] <imka> whiteknight, yes. it worked before automatically
[01:01] <xiaogil> how to choose the default chinese font for the system ?
[01:01] <CrashTECH> so that package will have what I need in it?
[01:01] <xiaogil> for gnome ?
[01:01] <imka> whiteknight, should i use modprobe -C?
[01:01] <whiteknight> CrashTECH, yeah that and also the windows .inf for the card
[01:02] <CrashTECH> I have the drivers downloaded and transfered via usb drive
[01:02] <whiteknight> imka, try ndiswrapper -m (i think, from memory)
[01:03] <imka> thanks. brb
[01:03] <whiteknight> when i get my programming skills up to date i'm going to write a gui to set up ndiswrapper!
[01:04] <CrashTECH> that would be nice WK
[01:04] <whiteknight> CrashTECH, it'll be a while though :)
[01:04] <Sauron21> Hi....I was wondering if anyone could tell me what IN BLOODY HELL IS.......sry about that.....its just that I have just installed ubuntu and I seem to have a slight problem.....I dont know the root password....that I didnt give the computer in the first place.....
[01:05] <Sauron21> could anyone help me out here?
[01:05] <CrashTECH> i would do the same, but yeah, I am not quite that versed yet myself
[01:05] <Sauron21> :'(
[01:05] <whiteknight> Sauron21, there isn't a root password
[01:05] <i2oboDude> does any one know if they have fixed the GRUB issue when installing ubuntu in a SATA and PATA HD configuration?
[01:05] <Sauron21> ...there isent?
[01:05] <whiteknight> Sauron21, just use sudo and your other password
[01:05] <hyphenated> Sauron21: there isn't one. you use 'sudo' instead of logging in or using 'su -' to get root
[01:05] <garrut> zz
[01:06] <Sauron21> so all commands that I before did as su....I now must do sudo ?
[01:06] <CrashTECH> I am going to try to get that working, brb
[01:06] <Sauron21> thats was.....different...
[01:06] <e_machinist> How do I run the fglrx control panel?
[01:06] <whiteknight> Sauron21, you could activate the password (though a lot of people don't agree with it!)
[01:07] <whiteknight> Sauron21, something like sudo passwd
[01:07] <hyphenated> Sauron21: instead of doing 'su -' to get a root shell and then running a bunch of commands, you prefix any commands that require root privileges with 'sudo'
[01:07] <hyphenated> eg: sudo apt-get update
[01:07] <Sung> caanyone use the hoary verison of ubuntu ?
[01:07] <e_machinist> Does anyone know how to run or access the fglrx control panel?
[01:08] <Burgundavia> fglrx_control
[01:08] <Burgundavia> I think
[01:08] <Sung> hmm
[01:08] <flodine> how do i configure my satas
[01:08] <e_machinist> Burgundavia, yah, I tried that... keeps saying command not found.
[01:08] <Burgundavia> fireglcontrol
[01:09] <Burgundavia> is a qt app
[01:09] <CrashTECH> AGH... now it wont mount my usb drive
[01:09] <e_machinist> ahh, I get it. Thanks Burgundavia.
[01:09] <whiteknight> CrashTECH, type dmesg to see the kernel info
[01:09] <whiteknight> CrashTECH, and see if there is an error
[01:10] <CrashTECH> yep... did that. it says it found a usb mass storage dev at 10
[01:10] <CrashTECH> no error
[01:10] <ago73> hi
[01:10] <whiteknight> CrashTECH, you could manually mount it...
[01:10] <CrashTECH> before it was showing up as sda1 or something
[01:10] <libben> I want nice icons on my desktop... displaying cpu usage, mem usage, empty space, etc etc... is it gdesklet the thing for me?
[01:10] <whiteknight> CrashTECH, it might have moved to sdb1
[01:10] <libben> or should i use anything else?
[01:10] <dcraven> So like now I have to adjust the colours in my Ubuntu gvim theme...
[01:11] <Sauron21> does anyone have opera running with ubuntu?
[01:11] <whiteknight> libben, right click on the top bar in gnome and add to panel then select system monitor
[01:11] <CrashTECH> it says it is /dev/scsi/host5/bus0/target0/lun0
[01:12] <libben> whiteknight, not the thing i want
[01:12] <libben> i want it on desktop..
[01:12] <libben> cute pngs and info to it =)
[01:12] <whiteknight> libben, gkrellm
[01:12] <ctr-> anyone know how I can reset my gnome desktop to the stock gnome desktop ?
[01:13] <IRCMark> hi, I've just updated from warty to hoary but I can't find synaptics now, can you tell me where it is?
[01:13] <whiteknight> CrashTECH, that is the true place though it usually has a link to sda1 or sdb1
[01:13] <libben> whiteknight, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1851 so this aint the thing ?
[01:13] <ago73> for external repositories to go with hoary, should I choose unstable or testing?
[01:14] <IRCMark> hi, I've just updated from warty to hoary but I can't find synaptics now, can you tell me where it is? please help me
[01:15] <goldfish> yeah
[01:15] <whiteknight> IRCMark, systems -> administration ->
[01:15] <goldfish> i have the same problem
[01:15] <goldfish> im using xfce though :/
[01:15] <whiteknight> libben, it might be :) i quite like gkrellm
[01:16] <goldfish> when i try run synaptic from the terminal it says command not found
[01:17] <cikilin> can anibody tell me haw i restore the panel?
[01:17] <IRCMark> I can't find synaptics in my Sistem > Administration
[01:17] <dcraven> cikilin, what does that mean? Is yours gone?
[01:18] <whiteknight> IRCMark, perhaps it wasn't installed! got to a console and sudo apt-get  install synaptic
[01:18] <cikilin> the panel witch contains the thrash i just delete by mistake
[01:18] <cikilin> from down
[01:18] <diego> cikilin: right click on an existing panel and go to new panel
[01:18] <diego> cikilin: then add the trash applet to it
[01:19] <cikilin> how?
[01:19] <diego> how what?
[01:19] <cikilin> to add?
[01:19] <Nigelenki> hi
[01:19] <Nigelenki> I need to print a .ps file
[01:19] <Nigelenki> to something other than what lpr prints to
[01:19] <diego> right click on the panel, select to panel, select Trash, select add
[01:19] <Nigelenki> specifically, to a pdf
[01:20] <diego> cikilin: above was to you and i meant 'add to panel'*
[01:20] <cikilin> k
[01:20] <cikilin> done
[01:21] <cikilin> if i minimize a window it goes to left of the screen
[01:21] <cikilin> not down
[01:22] <scottj> for some reason rhythmbox says it can't play my mp3s and muine is seg faulting when I try to play one, yet totem plays them fine. any ideas?
[01:22] <chibifs> Using Xine totem?
[01:22] <occy> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[01:22] <occy> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]
[01:22] <whiteknight> hehe now when i go to firefox it welcomes me to the ubuntu 5.04 hoary hedgehog release
[01:22] <crimsun> /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
[01:23] <scottj> chibifs, yeah
[01:23] <occy> what should I apt-get install?
[01:23] <crimsun> so you need linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:23] <occy> crimsun: heyaz
[01:23] <crimsun> occy: hi
[01:23] <occy> crimsun: just apt-get install that huh.
[01:23] <chibifs> That would be the main thing then, Try re-installing Gstreamer.
[01:23] <chibifs> Might be borken.
[01:23] <CrashTECH> w00t... after taking the usb drive out, then rebooting, then plugging it bakc in, it showed up.
[01:24] <carlos_> any E17 users here?
[01:24] <ago73> hoary: unstable or testing external repositories?
[01:24] <son> i still dontknow what a kernel is *harumph*
[01:24] <chibifs> Kernel is the very core of the Operating system, it communicates with the hardware.
[01:24] <diego> son: the core of the OS
[01:24] <scottj> chibifs, which of all the gstreamer packages?
[01:24] <scottj> carlos_, sometimes
[01:24] <son> oh ok
[01:24] <son> forgot
[01:25] <chibifs> scottj - Probably all of them. :P
[01:25] <carlos_> scottj how may I install it? does it have many dependencies?
[01:25] <chibifs> I'm not sure on the exact problem, but gstreamer is picky! D:
[01:25] <jldugger> hey, is there a way to mount a .iso onto the filesystem? the guide im reading says to use mount -oloop but i get an error saying there are no /dev/loop# devices =(
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> sudo modprobe loop
[01:25] <scottj> chibifs, is there any easy command to do that instead of apt-get removing all and then installing them all?
[01:26] <carlos_> scottj I am interested in 17 or maybe CVS in case it's got new stuff
[01:26] <jldugger> HrdwrBoB, thanks.
[01:26] <chibifs> Do it with synaptic, and re-install them. Command line is SO last week :D
[01:26] <diego> command line is next week actually
[01:26] <lok> scottj, gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:26] <jldugger> man, i remember when synaptic brought the GUI to its knees.
[01:26] <chibifs> And it will fluxuate each and every week.  Doughnut.
[01:27] <jldugger> they've improved and i bought a new computer
[01:27] <diego> jldugger: heh, yeah :)
[01:27] <occy> E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.10-4-386
[01:27] <occy> hmm
[01:27] <scottj> carlos, it's cake, once you figure it out :) I wrote instructions for Foresight Linux at http://wiki.foresightlinux.com/index.php/Enlightenment and it's mostly the same with ubuntu, but I haven't checked to see how many differences there are
[01:28] <whiskey_2> i saw the strangest comment on slashdot today....someone said how come all the businesses see free software as "bad" but don't mind pirating commercial software.
[01:28] <whiskey_2> it is somewhat hypocritical
[01:29] <scottj> whiskey_2, get a job. business don't pirate software on the whole, and they think free software is bad because normally there's no one to call and fix it for them
[01:29] <whiskey_2> scottj, this government will not let me have a job for 11 years now....so that is out....and "if it aint' broke, why fix it?"
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> the government won't let you have a job?
[01:30] <occy> crimsun: think I'll need to dist-upgrade to get linux-headers?
[01:30] <occy> I'm running Hoary, and haven't apt-get dist-upgraded in a whiel.
[01:30] <occy> errr while.
[01:30] <diego> whiskey_2: does that make you 4 years old?
[01:30] <diego> i don't think a 4 year old can type that well
[01:30] <whiskey_2> HrdwrBoB, uh...no...i have had some disagreement with the government for many years and the FBI says they are shitting on me!
[01:31] <scottj> whiskey_2, ha! you think you're bad stuff eh?
[01:31] <whiskey_2> scottj, uh ...no....there are just some unresolved issues.
[01:31] <imka> after todays hoary upgrade, esound is not working properly. i get the "drums" when loading gdm, but after starting gnome, esd doesnt seem to work. no sound with rhythmbox, but i can play music in xmms, but only with alsa. any ideas?
[01:31] <scottj> what did you do that was so major the FBI gives a hoot about your employment? my guess is imagination.
[01:32] <imka> i don't even get the gnome startup sound
[01:32] <whiskey_2> scottj, well i was fired for not being a nigger....i was told that the blacks needed a black role model.
[01:32] <Xannix> I am very new to Ubuntu/debian based systems all together, how/where do i set the root password on a new install of ubuntu
[01:32] <scottj> whiskey_2, anyway, businesses aren't piraters nearly as often as home users.
[01:32] <diego> Xannix: why would you?
[01:32] <scottj> whiskey_2, and the fbi cares why?
[01:33] <imka> Xannix, "sudo su" enter your password, "password" and set your roor password
[01:33] <imka> anyone else having problems with esd under hoary?
[01:33] <sysrq> ... why? just use sudo -s
[01:33] <sysrq> heh
[01:33] <whiskey_2> scottj, well hey i did not say home users were not....but there seem to be many businesses that don't mind saying hey joe see if you can get a copy of this.
[01:33] <Burgundavia> Xannix: for your information, Ubuntu uses sudo to do most things, so you really don't need a root password
[01:33] <diego> Xannix: imka meant the `passwd` command
[01:33] <imka> diego Xannix yea sorry
[01:34] <Xannix> ahh is that why
[01:34] <goldfish> anyone use root-tail on ubuntu?
[01:34] <diego> i miss cable, i used to have 5mbps and now i only have 3 :(
[01:34] <whiskey_2> scottj, i have no idea why the FBI does what it does...they don't give out information....about all you can do is argue with them.
[01:34] <scottj> whiskey_2, they're typically small businesses. any decent sized business has multi-million-dollar offices in charge of just one thing, buying software.
[01:34] <imka> any clues why esound stopped working after todays upgrade?
[01:34] <Xannix> It looks similar to Fedora but thing seem very different
[01:35] <whiskey_2> scottj, well if that is what you believe i am not going to argue with you.
[01:35] <scottj> whiskey_2, it's not what I believe, it's what I've seen and anyone can see if they work for a big company or even go to visit.
[01:37] <FirefoxKal-linux> can anyone tell me how to install a .deb in GUI?
[01:37] <inter> anyone here know how to add/remove boot services from ubuntu? (update-rc.d removes the whole boot script but I just want to keep it from loading)
[01:37] <whiskey_2> scottj,  well i did work for a big company some 20 years ago and you would be surprised in those days how many used their zerox machines to make illegal copies of materials.
[01:38] <diego> inter: i think you're supposed to remove a symlink somewhere
[01:38] <whiskey_2> scottj, so you have what you see and i have what i see.
[01:38] <occy> anyone recommend doing an upgrade with hoary now?   I'm running Hoar currently, but it's a few weeks old.
[01:38] <diego> occy: no large reason why not
[01:38] <inter> diego, thats what I thought but according the debian boot services documentation your not supposed to touch the symlinks o_O
[01:39] <occy> 606 upgraded, 9 newly installed, 2 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[01:39] <occy> Need to get 447MB/448MB of archives.
[01:39] <occy> After unpacking 81.8MB of additional disk space will be used.
[01:39] <occy> heh
[01:39] <xiaogil> how to tell the system which font to use for which language ?
[01:39] <cikilin> can anybody tell :when mimimize a window is not going down is going left of the screen
[01:39] <rob_> hey can anyone help me here:
[01:39] <cikilin> and i want it down
[01:39] <diego> inter: well i think there's an updaterc or rcupdate proggie that touches the symlinks for you...i don't know. that stuff was better back on gentoo
[01:39] <rob_> rob@here-be-dragons:~/Desktop$ ./waste
[01:39] <rob_> ./waste: error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk2u_xrc-2.5.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:40] <rob_> it's in /usr/lib
[01:40] <inter> diego, hmmm
[01:40] <scottj> whiskey_2, what was the company that you worked for that said "hey joe go see if you can download photoshop off IRC"?
[01:40] <akk> inter: update-rc.d will remove the symlinks for you, but they come back in an upgrade.
[01:40] <inter> diego, thanks...I think the updaterc program actually removes the whole script from /etc/init.d
[01:40] <occy> scott: heh
[01:40] <crimsun> rob_: ltrace it
[01:40] <diego> inter: meh, **shrug**
[01:41] <inter> akk, isn't there away to just tell ubuntu _not_ to load a service without blowing it away?
[01:41] <rob_> ltrace: "./waste" is ELF from incompatible architecture
[01:41] <akk> inter: I finally ended up writing a script that keeps a list of services I want turned off: it calls apt-get update, apt-get -f dist-upgrade, then update-rc.d for each disabled service.
[01:41] <inter> diego, ya...seems kinda lame
[01:41] <whiskey_2> scottj, no company ever told me that and i have never seen photoshop
[01:41] <rob_> i downloaded the waste client from the sf site
[01:41] <scottj> whiskey_2, that's what I thought.
[01:41] <inter> akk, ugh
[01:41] <whiskey_2> scottj, so why spew nonsense.
[01:41] <njan> akk, rcconf? sysv-rc-conf?
[01:41] <cikilin> hellllllllllllllllloooooooooooo
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> um it's not nonsense
[01:41] <inter> akk, sounds like the debian boot services standard needs some work
[01:41] <whiskey_2> scottj, sounds like you have some kind of hidden agenda with a biased mind
[01:41] <i2oboDude> no flash player for amd64s?
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> small companies I have found will pirate things
[01:42] <akk> inter: Yes, it does.  But debian people seem happy with it.  I don't know about rconf, that njan just mentioned, though.
[01:42] <njan> HrdwrBoB, s/small/all/
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> but generally many would prefer open source
[01:42] <scottj> whiskey_2, alright, now I see why the FBI might be after you
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> njan: yes but small companies it's a company thing
[01:42] <inter> rcconf?  never heard of it
[01:42] <rob_> wine: L"Z:\\usr\\home\\rob\\Desktop\\waste" is a Unix binary, not supported
[01:42] <akk> inter: The funny thing is: it's such a FAQ that debian has a bunch of pages about complicated-and-temporary ways to do it
[01:42] <mike998> has anyone got sim city 3000 running on their box?
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> larger companies it's generally people, not a company thing
[01:42] <rob_> crimsun: ideas?
[01:42] <whiskey_2> scottj, well so what....at least i don't use the law to murder helpless women by starving them to death or otherwise.
[01:42] <akk> inter: with rude remarks aimed at people who want something more permanent.
[01:43] <njan> HrdwrBoB, it's a people thing in small companies too, the difference is that when one person pirates software in a small company it affects the whole business, whereas with larger businesses it generally affects only a portion of it.
[01:43] <inter> akk, well...I think i'll just remove the symlinks manually o_O
[01:43] <rob_> rob@here-be-dragons:~/Desktop$ file waste
[01:43] <rob_> waste: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped
[01:43] <scottj> whiskey_2, how is the FBI using the the law to starve helpless women?
[01:43] <x_or> I think I have gnome-pilot setup correctly, but I am unsure what app I use to view my data.  Is this jpilot?  Is there a way to sync using gnome-pilot but use jpilot?
[01:43] <inter> akk, debian ppl aren't always the niecest ;)
[01:43] <whiskey_2> scottj, well they support this goddammed government.
[01:43] <inter> akk, nicest*
[01:43] <scottj> njan, most large businesses have site licenses for about everything imaginable.
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> whiskey_2: they support ANY government
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> .. that's their job
[01:44] <akk> inter: They refer people who want non-rude behavior to ubuntu. :-)
[01:44] <whiskey_2> scottj, and this government murders helpless women by starving them to death...a la  Shiavo case.
[01:44] <rob_> i'd kill for some insight here
[01:44] <scottj> whiskey_2, they're law enforcement, what do you expect?
[01:44] <njan> scottj, not in my experience. Most vendors nowadays don't do such a thing as a 'site license', it's all per-seat.
[01:44] <njan> scott, 5,000 seat license for borderware firewalls? sure. Site license? no. :)
[01:44] <akk> inter: (actually there are lots of nice debian people, in addition to the less nice ones)
[01:44] <inter> akk, hehe...or a stable distro that isn't 10yrs old
[01:44] <njan> s/scott/scottj/
[01:44] <inter> akk, ah...i liked the gentoo ppl the most
[01:44] <inter> akk, just my expereince though
[01:45] <CrashTECH> hrm... apparently ndiswrapper loaded the driver, but the pcmca driver isnt there, so the card is not physically detected
[01:45] <inter> akk, don't ;)
[01:45] <rob_> someone, anyone?
[01:45] <inter> akk, nice ppl...bad distro idea
[01:46] <i0n_st0rm> hrm.. how do i see what to remove to get rid of old unused kernels again? updated to k7 and want to be rid of the 386 ones cluttering me up
[01:46] <whiskey_2> and there is a real damn problem with this government...the damn Mexicans want to kill little children...a la Gonzalez Case of Colorado....and the niggers want to take over the world for the niggers and all their benefits systems...and the lying Jews go along with anything that makes them money.
[01:47] <diego> scottj: days is an understatement. to get a gentoo system working similar to a ubuntu system takes weeks for a non-1337 haxx0r
[01:47] <jldugger> i0n_st0rm, well, synaptic can let you search for linux-kernel packages
[01:47] <John__> whiskey_2: the hell?
[01:47] <diego> whiskey_2: tone down the racism would you?
[01:47] <whiskey_2> diego, hey what do you expect from an insane person.
[01:47] <i0n_st0rm> i suppose it could.. i'm just more used to doing things hands-on (i originally started back into linux with gentoo, so i'm more used to dealing with command line :))
[01:48] <jldugger> hey, is swat availble in hoary?
[01:48] <FirefoxKal-linux> can anyone tell me how to install a .deb in GUI?
[01:48] <diego> i0n_st0rm: i wasn't trying to say that gentoo is bad for it. i think it's wonderful for learning, but i'm here in #ubuntu because _most_ of that hands-on work is done for me on ubuntu and i can just _use_ the os
[01:48] <diego> jldugger: let me check
[01:49] <diego> jldugger: samba web admin tool? yeah
[01:49] <x_or> "...and the niggers want to take over the world for the niggers and all their benefits systems.."  You talking about welfare here?  Corporate welfare is the real problem, social welfare is miniscule comparatively.  Racists are easily confused by the papers.
[01:49] <goldfish> FirefoxKal-linux: it's handy to install from command line
[01:49] <jldugger> hmm. im in warty right now, and i get a depends error
[01:49] <i0n_st0rm> hehe i know :)
[01:49] <goldfish> FirefoxKal-linux: dpkg -i file.deb
[01:49] <scottj> chibifs, reinstalling gstreamer didn't do it. the error I get is "Could not open resource for writing." then "Could not pause playback"
[01:49] <FirefoxKal-linux> goldfish, i know... but it doesn't offer... GUI?
[01:49] <rob_> somebody... help me!
[01:50] <jldugger> cant figure out where it got the package description from though
[01:50] <i0n_st0rm> diego: i was just saying that i'm more used to doing everything hands-on, so i try that route first :)
[01:50] <goldfish> FirefoxKal-linux: oh right, sorry
[01:50] <mello> man i love xchat
[01:50] <akk> FirefoxKal-linux: Maybe synaptic has an option to install a deb?
[01:50] <mello> but i don't know how to change the color
[01:50] <mello> s
[01:50] <whiskey_2> x_or, hey don't tell about damn papers...just walk to the local food stamp lines and look whos there.
[01:50] <goldfish> irssi all the way
[01:50] <mello> could someone help me change the text colors
[01:50] <FirefoxKal-linux> akk, i want to know where..?
[01:50] <scottj> whiskey_2, there are lots of forms of welfare besides foodstamps.
[01:50] <crimsun> rob_: are you on amd64?
[01:50] <FirefoxKal-linux> akk, it opens the application installer
[01:50] <jldugger> FirefoxKal-linux, I don't think there is one yet.
[01:51] <x_or> Yep, 'cause we don't fund education here in the US, so people have no choice.  You see what you want to see anyway.   How to share internet connection between two ubuntus. Mine is <IP_ADDRESS> and other is <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:51] <whiskey_2> x_or, no i won't
[01:51] <billyoc> whiskey_2 == typical red welfare stater.
[01:51] <mello> whiskey_2: shush man, nobody wants to hear this
[01:51] <scottj> x_or, but he'll sure amuse us :)
[01:51] <FirefoxKal-linux> How to get Firestarter to use dhcp3?
[01:51] <diego> drasko: do you have a router then or are you feeding one off the other?
[01:52] <jldugger> FirefoxKal-linux, maybe file a feature request with synaptic
[01:52] <akk> FirefoxKal-linux: Isn't the application installer what you want?
[01:52] <scottj> whiskey_2 = typical white-trash redneck inbred west-virginia folk
[01:52] <FirefoxKal-linux> akk, it only can add/remove what's on the CD
[01:52] <drasko> diego, one to another. 01 is a gateway
[01:52] <whiskey_2> scottj, make that Greek.
[01:53] <akk> FirefoxKal-linux: Doesn't it have someplace to change that?  I think I remember seeing that.
[01:53] <x_or> But, you might look into how much this country spends on military compared to the next twenty countries.  If you looked closely, you'd realize we could spend a little more on social programs and there would be shorted welfare lines.  But, again, Fox News would rather you don't think about that.
[01:53] <diego> drasko: i imagine you just configure the slave to have an ip of <IP_ADDRESS>/24 and a default gw of <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:53] <FirefoxKal-linux> akk, i can't find it.
[01:53] <jldugger> FirefoxKal-linux, in synaptic?
[01:53] <diego> drasko: on the master i'm not sure...probably some sort of tunneling
[01:54] <whiskey_2> x_or, piss on the social programs...why should all those niggers and Mexicans get food stamps for their bastards when this government won't even let me talk to my wife and kids for 11 years.
[01:54] <FirefoxKal-linux> jldugger, hmm tell me where please
[01:54] <i2oboDude> woohoo I installed the Nvidia drivers, umm is there a way to get rid of the Nvidia Spash screen?
[01:54] <akk> FirefoxKal-linux: I just looked: you can change repositories in the Settings menu, but I don't see anything to install a single .deb.
[01:54] <FirefoxKal-linux> akk, that's sucks
[01:54] <scottj> whiskey_2, because your wife and kids have a restraining order against you because you're crazy?
[01:54] <John__> because they realize how idiotic you are?
[01:54] <CrashTECH> is there an easy way to edit grub so that it loads windows by default instead of Ubuntu?
[01:54] <billyoc> scottj: rofl
[01:54] <akk> FirefoxKal-linux: Maybe there's some other program that can do it; sorry, I don't know, never looked.
[01:55] <whiskey_2> scottj, well there is more to it than what is on the surface.
[01:55] <John__> scottj: nice
[01:55] <diego> i2oboDude: yes there is, modify your xorg.conf file (hoary) to have Option "NoLogo"
[01:55] <x_or> whiskey_2:  I honestly, honestly, sympathize with you.  I agree our government is completely fucked up, but they manipulate people into thinking the problem is with the people at the bottom, not the ones at the top.
[01:55] <i2oboDude> thanks you
[01:55] <x_or> The history of the US is using the poor against each other.
[01:55] <jldugger> FirefoxKal-linux, if you're looking to install stuff over the net, look at settings-> repositories
[01:55] <whiskey_2> x_or, well now it may be just everyone not some here or there.
[01:55] <diego> CrashTECH: i'm sorry you want to do that but edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and put the Windows one before the others
[01:55] <bwlang> CrashTECH: yes... just change default to whatever then number windows is on your system
[01:56] <diego> i2oboDude: np
[01:56] <CrashTECH> diego till i get all my drivers and stuff working....
[01:56] <diego> CrashTECH: meh, how bad is the situation?
[01:56] <CrashTECH> no network, no sound, no pci/pcmca... nothing
[01:57] <CrashTECH> HP Pavilion zx5000 lappy
[01:57] <diego> CrashTECH: ouch
[01:57] <rob_> crimsun: sorry for the late reply, but yes
[01:57] <x_or> See, tort reform should not be about making sure corporations are limited in the amount they pay out when they injure someone, but about making sure you are not put in a situation where you cannot talk to your kids.  But, guess which one GW is going after?  Not to help you...
[01:57] <i2oboDude> diego, is there a good 3d demo to test out how my card opperates in 3d?
[01:57] <CrashTECH> its all HP stuff... and Texas Inst
[01:57] <dcraven> I'm on a ze5610 right now!
[01:57] <diego> i2oboDude: run `glxgears`
[01:57] <i2oboDude> cool
[01:57] <diego> i2oboDude: and then play tuxracer, lol
[01:57] <rob_> crimsun: i should be able to run a 32-bit program... i have the emulation libraries
[01:58] <John__> applauds even
[01:58] <jonathan_> is there software for ubuntu like bearshare or Winmx
[01:58] <CrashTECH> dcraven: how do I get all this crap working then? Will HP provide me drivers for *nix?
[01:58] <scottj> anyone played wargus?
[01:58] <merlin__> Does someone know where I can get /usr/lib/autofs/autofs-ldap-auto-master from (required by autofs). auto-apt search autofs-ldap-auto-master returns empty
[01:58] <akk> FirefoxKal-linux: someone tells me that nautilus may do it if you're root, but that's not much help (don't want to have to run X as root ...)
[01:58] <i2oboDude> Is there a linux modern game demo like Doom3 or something... ehehe i have a 6600gt
[01:58] <dcraven> CrashTECH, no.. Don't even bother looking for HP support...
[01:58] <cef> diego: or scorched3d *grin*
[01:58] <diego> i2oboDude: doom3 works on linux
[01:59] <CrashTECH> then my options are... ?
[01:59] <jldugger> i2oboDude, ut2k4 works well
[01:59] <FirefoxKal-linux> akk, me too... too dangerous
[01:59] <i2oboDude> oh what... dope!
[01:59] <dcraven> CrashTECH, Is it wireless network you are having trouble with or ethernet?
[01:59] <dcraven>  or wired...
[01:59] <CrashTECH> becuase I really would like to be able to dual boot... FC picked up the eth, but its display support for the lappy was aweful
[01:59] <CrashTECH> both...
[01:59] <CrashTECH> i cant get either network to work
[01:59] <rob_> crimsun: i am modestly begging you
[02:00] <dcraven> Okay well let's start with wired... Is it a National Semiconductor like mine?
[02:00] <CrashTECH> Realtek
[02:00] <CrashTECH> Ubuntu picks up all the right names for the hardware, it just doesnt know what it is.
[02:00] <dcraven> CrashTECH, oh.. Well that's not gonna be the same.. How about wireless, Broadcomm?
[02:01] <CrashTECH> Linksys
[02:01] <jldugger> is it just me, or is the playlist editor in beep-media-player messed up?
[02:01] <dcraven> CrashTECH, well it seems as though these lappies are quite different after all.
[02:01] <scottj> anyone else find it amusing that whiskey_2 would use ubuntu?
[02:01] <billyoc> yes
[02:01] <CrashTECH> well, the wireless is a card, not built in
[02:01] <jldugger> humanity towards others
[02:01] <dcraven> Ahh.
[02:01] <billyoc> what with black people on the web site and all.
[02:02] <CrashTECH> the cardbus is by Texus Inst i think
[02:02] <scottj> anyone know, is ubuntu zulu?
[02:02] <rob_> crimsun: ya there?
[02:02] <CrashTECH> The digital media card reader is by TI i know...
[02:03] <CrashTECH> hey, i got a couple errors here...
[02:03] <CrashTECH> damnit
[02:03] <dcraven> CrashTECH, have a look in the forums if you haven't already. This stuff is asked all the time so I'm sure someone asked about the same hardware.
[02:03] <CrashTECH> I checked aroudn today, didnt find anything specific... it doesnt seem too many people use zx5000s
[02:04] <CrashTECH> where is the boot log located? there were some modprobe errors
[02:04] <dcraven> CrashTECH, don't search the laptop model, but the components.
[02:04] <dcraven> CrashTECH, try "dmesg".
[02:04] <akk> TI chips often aren't well supported, might need extra work.
[02:04] <i2oboDude> I how do i RUN a .run file? its the ut2k4 demo file, do I do  ./filename.run?
[02:05] <jldugger> i2oboDude, two ways
[02:05] <dcraven> i2oboDude, chmod 755 filename && ./filename
[02:05] <jldugger> either make it executable and ./filename.run it, or sh filename
[02:05] <jldugger> sh filename is easier
[02:05] <crimsun> rob_: are you running it from within a 32-bit chroot?
[02:05] <crimsun> rob_: or have you tried obtaining a 64-bit version of waste?
[02:05] <i2oboDude> whats sh?
[02:05] <jldugger> not sure
[02:06] <i2oboDude> lol
[02:06] <i2oboDude> indeed
[02:06] <awb4422> If i want to get qt on my machine, do I only need to install libqt3-dev?
[02:06] <dcraven> i2oboDude, it just runs the file as a bash program.
[02:06] <rob_> crimsun: no, no
[02:06] <rob_> crimsun: where could i get a 64-bit version?
[02:06] <dcraven> i2oboDude, man sh
[02:06] <ToothAway> What keeps the livecd from being the install cd?
[02:06] <dcraven> ... if interested.
[02:06] <diego> ToothAway: time
[02:07] <i2oboDude> hehee, sorry i forget about the MAN pages from time to time
[02:07] <CrashTECH> well, at least one of the errors had to do with my usb...
[02:07] <CrashTECH> my keyboard and mouse didnt work
[02:07] <dcraven> i2oboDude, no biggie ;P .. Sometimes people avoid them on purpose :)
[02:09] <rob_> crimsun: any ideas?
[02:09] <rob_> or how to build it?
[02:09] <akk> awb4422: -dev are if you want to build qt programs.  You shouldn't need that to run them.
[02:10] <merlin__> does anyone know how auto-apt search really works?
[02:10] <libben> what is applications/system tools/Add-Remove program ? is it something u should use instead of --purge? or synaptic complete removal?
[02:10] <crimsun> rob_: it seems to be specifically for 32-bit OSes, which means you need to install a 32-bit chroot. Search the wiki for "debootstrap".
[02:10] <libben> merlin__, apt-cache search PROGRAMNAME
[02:10] <rob_> ack okay
[02:10] <rob_> gotcha
[02:10] <mello> fellas, how do i configure x-chat 2.4.1 to open urls in a new tab in firefox?
[02:10] <merlin__> libben: yeah, but that doesn't work for many files. Try this: auto-apt search autofs-ldap-auto-master
[02:10] <akk> awb4422: I seem to have ended up with libqt3c102-mt = Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version)
[02:10] <rob_> crimsun: i could build it myself, right?
[02:11] <rob_> crimsun: don't go anywhere... i'll be right back
[02:11] <akk> awb4422: I don't run a lot of qt stuff but I think that's enough for the basics.
[02:11] <merlin__> libben: autofs-ldap-auto-master ended up being in autofs-ldap, but I had to grep for it in /var/lib/apt/lists/* because auto-apt didn't work
[02:11] <awb4422> akk: I'm trying to build mythtv on my machine...
[02:11] <libben> never used auto-apt
[02:11] <awb4422> this is the error I'm getting... from what i've seen, google tells me I need "my own" installation of qt
[02:12] <awb4422> Starting MythTV server: mythbackendQSettings: error creating /home/andrew/.qt
[02:12] <akk> awb4422: Ah, okay, then you will need the -dev, and possibly libqt3-headers and qt3-dev-tools and such
[02:12] <dcraven> merlin__, you don't like synaptic?
[02:12] <awb4422> Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[02:12] <geneo93> i use qt apps that required qt-desinger
[02:13] <billyoc> geneo93: something requires the *designer*?
[02:13] <geneo93> moc files and a few others
[02:13] <billyoc> ah, ic
[02:13] <merlin__> dcraven: synaptic is nice, but doesn't tell which package has file foo. Also, it's not command line :)
[02:13] <dcraven> Omg I don't miss those moc files...
[02:13] <dcraven> merlin__, I see.
[02:14] <merlin__> In many years of using debian, I never really found out why auto-apt only works for some files and not all
[02:14] <dcraven> geneo93, so why would a qt application require designer? Are you trying to compile them?
[02:14] <dcraven> Just curious.
[02:15] <geneo93> dcraven:  yes they have to be compiled
[02:15] <serendipity> how much hd space does a starndard installation take?
[02:15] <awb4422> dang i've installed almost every qt3 package for ubuntu...and echo $QTDIR doesn't bring anything up still
[02:16] <dcraven> geneo93, I doubt they need designer to build, but of course I could be mistaken.
[02:16] <Buddyo-> ubuntu :D
[02:16] <geneo93> serendipity:  about 3 gigs for standard install
[02:16] <serendipity> thx
[02:17] <geneo93> dcraven:  yes it has libs it need for compiling
[02:17] <dcraven> awb4422, you could always set it yourself if need be (using export).
[02:17] <serendipity> 433 ppl and no ops ;D
[02:17] <dcraven> geneo93, well that's just weird.
[02:18] <george_> hey everyone
[02:18] <dcraven> serendipity, there were 500+ earlier today. I was suprised.
[02:18] <geneo93> well one app is for chat and file sharing dcraven
[02:18] <george_> hey anyone know why my sound isnt working?
[02:18] <george_> i have a toshiba satellite
[02:18] <goldfish> laptop?
[02:18] <george_> yep
[02:18] <goldfish> emm
[02:19] <serendipity> ac97?
[02:19] <goldfish> i had to add some boot parameters to get my sound working
[02:19] <george_> uhh let me check
[02:19] <awb4422> dcraven - is that by export PATH QTDIR="/usr/share/qt3"
[02:19] <dcraven> george_, try running alsamixer and make sure that no channels are muted and that PCM is turned up.
[02:19] <awb4422> in /etc/profile?
[02:19] <dazed|> where is the menu config file for gnome?
[02:19] <dcraven> awb4422, minus the PATH part.
[02:19] <george_> how do i get into alas mixer?
[02:20] <stack> is anyone else experiencing full lockups from visiting certain sites in firefox and mozilla?
[02:20] <goldfish> george_: run it from command line
[02:20] <george_> im in alas mixer
[02:20] <goldfish> george_: alsamixer
[02:20] <dcraven> george_, in a terminal, type "alsamixer" minus the quotes.
[02:20] <goldfish> oh
[02:21] <dcraven> stack, I did once earlier this week, but I'm not sure what site it was now... I didn't pay attention.
[02:21] <dazed|> anyone?
[02:21] <awb4422> dcraven - is there something I need to do to update /etc/profile to register with something to notice the changes?
[02:21] <george_> ok heres what my alsa mixer shows
[02:21] <stack> dcraven, i;m getting it from an ant.apache.org site, i believe the ant beta cvs view
[02:21] <george_> y33_ is now kno
[02:21] <dazed|> where is the menu config file for gnome?
[02:21] <dcraven> dazed|, I don't think there is one for gnome 2.10.. You need to use a 3rd party app. There is one in the forums.
[02:21] <crimsun> george_: what model satellite?
[02:21] <george_> one sec
[02:22] <george_> Card: Intel 82801DB-ICH4                                                      Chip: Realtek ALC250 rev 2                                                    View: Playback                                                                Item: Master
[02:22] <stack> dcraven: this is the one im crashing on: http://cvs.apache.org/dist/ant/v1.6.3beta1
[02:22] <george_> and its a sattelite m35x-s309
[02:22] <dazed|> how can i find where the icons are located for specific apps?
[02:23] <dcraven> awb4422, there probably is a better way, but you could always source it.
[02:23] <geneo93> dcraven:  if you would like to try this app its on cvs under unizone
[02:23] <george_> crimsun u get that?
[02:23] <crimsun> george_: yep
[02:23] <dcraven> stack, I am able to view that URL.
[02:23] <crimsun> george_: did you say you're using Hoary or Warty?
[02:24] <dcraven> geneo93, I'm not much of a qt guy anymore :)
[02:24] <george_> crimsun: hoary
[02:24] <stack> dcraven: my computer completely locks when I go there... http://live.gnome.org/Luminocity does it too
[02:24] <jono> hi all
[02:24] <crimsun> george_: lsmod output onto pastebin.com, please
[02:24] <dazed|> anyone know how can i find where the icons are located for specific apps?
[02:24] <geneo93> dcraven:  it uses muscled server
[02:24] <george_> crimsun: what is that?
[02:25] <kbrooks> o f it
[02:25] <dcraven> stack, I wonder what that is... I don't see anything too fancy on those sites.
[02:25] <kbrooks> i need the kde control center. everything in it. package?
[02:25] <crimsun> george_: type ,,lsmod'' (without the quotes) and paste the output onto http://pastebin.com
[02:25] <kbrooks> i need the kde control center. everything in it. package?
[02:25] <Riddell> kbrooks: kcontrol!
[02:25] <kbrooks> k
[02:26] <george_> crimsun: it went to fast to read and exited
[02:26] <stack> dcraven: it doesn't even load the page, i just get a title in the title bar, and then lock!  I get mouse movement, but nothing interacts and i cant switch to consoles either
[02:26] <dcraven> kbrooks, kcontrol
[02:26] <crimsun> george_: open a terminal.
[02:26] <dcraven> err.. little late :)
[02:26] <george_> crimsun: got it
[02:27] <george_> ok ill paste
[02:27] <stack> dcraven: i think im going to ssh into this box and force it again, to see what happens
[02:27] <dcraven> stack, that's weird.
[02:27] <george_> crimsun: now what do i do
[02:27] <george_> crimusn: i posted it
[02:28] <CrashTECH> the drivers that fail to load during boot up are shpchp.ko and pcichp.ko it says the operation is not permitted
[02:29] <diego> CrashTECH: those can safely be ignored
[02:29] <CrashTECH> i think that is why my wlan isnt working tho
[02:29] <george_> crimsun: uu there?
[02:29] <diego> CrashTECH: it's not
[02:30] <diego> CrashTECH: add those to /etc/hotplug/blacklist if you don't want them to here them complain. it's a common error
[02:30] <crimsun> george_: please be patient
[02:30] <george_> crimsun: ok
[02:30] <CrashTECH> when I do ndiswrapper -l it says "linksys hardware not present" but the card is plugged in
[02:31] <crimsun> george_: please paste the output of amixer onto pastebin
[02:31] <george_> sure
[02:31] <occy> crimsun: any faster mirrors I can use.  This one is slooooow:   14% [88 kaddressbook 1133124/2062kB 54%]                       19.8kB/s 5h23m16s
[02:32] <occy> crimsun: I'd want to use an official mirror (if there is such a thing)
[02:32] <george_> crimsun: posted
[02:33] <Gavrila> hi
[02:33] <dazed|> anyone know how can i find where the icons are located for specific apps?
[02:33] <Gavrila> is there any ubuntu installer with 2.6.11
[02:33] <Gavrila> ?
[02:33] <serendipity> i got a stupid q
[02:33] <occy> serendipity: so ask it.
[02:33] <tritium> dazed|, dpkg -L <app>
[02:33] <geneo93> george_:  you should have gotten url to paste here though
[02:34] <serendipity> p 2 is i386 correct? what procs r i686?
[02:34] <george_> http://www.pastebin.com/268192
[02:34] <occy> serendipity: yah
[02:34] <george_> crimsun:sorry
[02:34] <geneo93> p2 is 686
[02:34] <occy> serendipity: pentium* is i386
[02:34] <occy> well
[02:34] <occy> technically it's 686
[02:34] <QMario> How do I put Windows printer drivers into the /var/lib/samba/printers file?
[02:35] <serendipity> will a i686 distro run on a p2 then?
[02:35] <geneo93> occy:  pentium is 586
[02:35] <Gavrila> I don't think s
[02:35] <geneo93> serendipity:  yes
[02:35] <crimsun> occy: there are a number of different country-based mirrors
[02:35] <uphu> Oh this is crowded, to crowded to ask a question and get a response?
[02:35] <occy> crimsun: got a url handy?
[02:35] <george_> serendipity: it should have a i386 version
[02:35] <occy> crimsun: something that lists them?
[02:35] <Gavrila> anyway nobody answered my only ubuntu question
[02:35] <QMario> How do I put Windows printer drivers into the /var/lib/samba/printers file?
[02:35] <Gavrila> is there any installer with 2.6.11???
[02:36] <BFC> is 5.04 final coming today? (thought thats what it said in the slashdot interview)
[02:36] <uphu> It's safe to run i386 on an AMD64 right?
[02:36] <tritium> BFC, Friday
[02:36] <Gavrila> uphu: yes
[02:36] <CrashTECH> I have these 2 messages: PCI: Cannotallocate resource region 0 of device 0000:00:14.0 and the same thing for region 4 if 14.1
[02:36] <uphu> thanks
[02:36] <serendipity> i feel bad asking about a different distro on here ;X
[02:36] <george_> Gavrila: Yes, after u burn the iso boot it and look
[02:36] <BFC> tritium: thanx
[02:36] <diego> QMario: please don't repeat yourself. there are already 431 others in here, this channel doesn't need more traffic
[02:36] <george_> Gavrila: Its sorta like DOS
[02:37] <Gavrila> george_: what are u talkin about?
[02:37] <occy> crimsun: don't see them on the site... (not anything that would indicate what I'd need to put in my /etc/apt/sources.list that is.
[02:37] <crimsun> occy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[02:37] <george_> Gavrila: you askeda bout an installer is it one to actually install the OS or programs
[02:37] <occy> (and bookmarks)
[02:38] <Gavrila> george_: if u read more carefully, I asked for an ubuntu installer based on a 2.6.11 kernel
[02:38] <uphu> Ok, you know in the ubuntu installer?  Ok nevermind, well I did all of it up to the point where it asks for the resolution I want.  I check all the ones my monitor can handle, but then once I get to the end of the installer my screen is showing all these funky colors like it's trying to display a resolution that it can't.  I'm suppose to check the resultions my monitor can handle, right?  Or is it the other way around?
[02:38] <crimsun> george_: mute the External Amplifier
[02:38] <george_> Gavrila: i believe the rc is 2.6.11
[02:38] <rob_> crimsun: doesn't work in the chroot either
[02:39] <Gavrila> no it's not
[02:39] <Gavrila> it's 2.6.10-5
[02:39] <george_> crimsun: how?
[02:39] <FirefoxKal-linux> can I update from 5.04 RC to 5.04 Final?
[02:39] <tritium> FirefoxKal-linux, sure
[02:39] <FirefoxKal-linux> :)
[02:39] <Gavrila> FirefoxKal-linux:  sure apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade :)
[02:39] <FirefoxKal-linux> when is 5.04 come out?
[02:39] <crimsun> george_: amixer sset 'External Amplifier' off
[02:39] <tritium> Friday
[02:39] <stack> so, http://cvs.apache.org/dist/ant/v1.6.3beta1 makes my X server go to 100% CPU, this is the latest hoary by the way
[02:39] <diego> what's the command to erase a cd-rw? graveman (on hoary) is failing and just giving me a generic error message
[02:40] <stack> any ideas on what's causing this?
[02:40] <uphu> no one knows? aw, crud ball...
[02:40] <FirefoxKal-linux> anyone got a CD from Ubuntu? i wanna know what the CD looks like
[02:40] <rob_> FirefoxKal-linux: I've got two
[02:40] <george_> crimsun: still nothing
[02:41] <rob_> FirefoxKal-linux: they're nice... google for it
[02:41] <rob_> http://images.google.com/images?q=ubuntu%20cd&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wi
[02:41] <rob_> many results
[02:41] <FirefoxKal-linux> I can say this disto of linux is getting like OSX :)
[02:41] <phlaegel> anybody using perl plugins in gaim? does gaim in hoary support them?
[02:41] <george_> order one
[02:41] <george_> shipit is free!
[02:42] <dazed|> tritium: i did that dpkg -L <app> and its not bringing up icon files
[02:42] <tritium> dazed|, it lists all files in the package, not just the icon (if there's one)
[02:42] <FirefoxKal-linux> :)
[02:42] <FirefoxKal-linux> i will send my AOL cds back to shipit
[02:42] <FirefoxKal-linux> :D
[02:42] <rob_> worked now crimsun
[02:42] <rob_> :)
[02:43] <EricNeon> morning all ~
[02:43] <george_> crimsun: still nothing man
[02:43] <akk> phlaegel: I have one that wasn't working, but I just discovered I didn't have sox installed.  I think the perl plugin part is working.
[02:43] <occy> :/  This mirror isn't that fast either.
[02:43] <occy> heh
[02:44] <rob_> bye!
[02:44] <phlaegel> akk: hm. I can't even get them to show up in the prefs list
[02:44] <uphu> In the ubuntu installer I get to the point where it asks for the resolution stuff.  i know this is a stupid question but what do I do?!
[02:45] <uphu> Do I check off the one's my monitor can handle? or the one's it can't?
[02:45] <diego> uphu: make sure the ones you want are selected
[02:45] <uphu> I did that
[02:45] <diego> then proceed.
[02:45] <uphu> but then it won't display it
[02:45] <thundrcleeze> not necessarily the ones it can use, just the ones you want it to use
[02:46] <syn1> i cant find xfce in the apt-get
[02:46] <syn1> what repos do i need
[02:46] <akk> phlaegel: Oh, hmm, just realized I'm running an xchat I built myself anyway, so I'm not a good test case.
[02:46] <uphu> Well my monitor can do 1280 x 1024.  It can do 1024 x 768 but when I do that... and it boots... the screen is all multicolored
[02:46] <occy> do you have to escape .  in sed?
[02:46] <occy> and : ?
[02:46] <occy> or just the /'s
[02:46] <diego> uphu: multiple colors? oh no!
[02:46] <crimsun> syn1: it's called 'xfce4'
[02:47] <crimsun> syn1: and it's in universe
[02:47] <uphu> you talking to me?
[02:47] <george_> crimsun: anyother suggestions?
[02:47] <crimsun> george_: I'm looking
[02:48] <occy> :%s/http:\/\/mirror\.clarkson\.edu\/pub\/distributions\/ubuntu/http:\/\/ftp\.ale\.org/pub\/mirrors\/ubuntu\//g
[02:48] <uphu> I mean the multicolors looks like it's displaying something which it can't handle
[02:48] <occy> hmm
[02:48] <syn1> crimsun: E: Couldn't find package xfce4
[02:48] <george_> crimsun: ok sweet thanks
[02:48] <uphu> but normally my monitor prints "out of bounds" if it is
[02:48] <crimsun> syn1: enable universe
[02:48] <Mestapheles> dcraven: I finished upgrading sid to hoary.  There was not much software to upgrade from sid to hoary, or sarge to sid for that case.  I did do a server upgrade though
[02:48] <knucks> anyone here have problems printing? Ubuntu seems to recognize the printer but doesnt want to print
[02:49] <Mestapheles> try differeent drivers
[02:49] <knucks> this worked on the old version..
[02:49] <Xeon3D> how can I limit the speed of apt-get ?
[02:49] <regeya_> a little underwhelmed by the gimpshop announcement
[02:49] <Mestapheles> in gnome highlight the printer icon, right click properties
[02:50] <crimsun> george_: what jack is it plugged into?
[02:50] <knucks> on the previous hoary update
[02:50] <Mestapheles> and select a diff driver from one of the tab
[02:50] <Mestapheles> s
[02:50] <george_> crimsun: it is integrated as far as i know
[02:50] <uphu> question: I finished installing the distro but there is nothing on the screen when I boot.
[02:51] <crimsun> george_: no, your output (speakers/headphones)
[02:51] <knucks> doesnt want to print
[02:51] <syn1> who's Christian Marillat
[02:51] <zenrox> uphu try doing a alt+ctrl+f1-6
[02:51] <syn1> ?
[02:52] <Mestapheles> there is more than one driver for most printers, and they don't always work from on version to another or one distro to another
[02:52] <george_> speakers
[02:52] <george_> crimsun:speakers
[02:52] <george_> crimsun: laptop speackers
[02:52] <uphu> zenrox: uphu try doing a alt+ctrl+f1-6:  Are you kidding or being serious?
[02:52] <adobbie> syn1: Debian devel
[02:52] <uphu> I never heard of that combo
[02:53] <knucks> hm wow it doest even recognize it now
[02:53] <knucks> bah
[02:53] <adobbie> syn1: he also packages things like lame and mplayer
[02:53] <syn1> adobbie: high in the food chain or ?
[02:53] <zenrox> uphu, that will get you to a console login so you can fix drivers for your vidcard
[02:53] <adobbie> syn1: think he does gnome stuff but I can check for you
[02:53] <crimsun> george_: toggle whatever setting 'PCM Out Path & Mute' is using alsamixer
[02:53] <uphu> Oh!!
[02:53] <uphu> That might be it!
[02:53] <Sauron21> Hi...I was wondering if anyone could tell me why apt-get gives me this idiotic message when I try to install a .deb file...."E: Couldn't find package ~~~~.deb" ??
[02:53] <uphu> See, it's plugged into my video card right now
[02:53] <occy> is it always slow doing apt-get update  ?
[02:53] <uphu> maybe if I plug it into my mobo
[02:53] <occy> no matter your mirror?
[02:53] <uphu> I dunno
[02:54] <occy> only getting 11k/sec
[02:54] <occy> should be getting 400k/sec
[02:54] <occy> heh
[02:54] <zenrox> uphu,  is it a nvidia card
[02:54] <uphu> yes
[02:54] <george_> crimsun: dude im a newb sorry to be sorta helpless but a little more detail
[02:54] <uphu> oh boy, is this a common problem?
[02:54] <zenrox> ask in #nvidia uphu
[02:54] <uphu> ok
[02:54] <occy> zendog: heyaz
[02:54] <crimsun> occy: please consider what time it is
[02:54] <complxor> after i set up bluetooth on my comp i can't send files throught nautilus because the send to button doesn't appear can somone help me?
[02:55] <Xeon3D> does anyone know how to limit apt-get's download speed...
[02:55] <occy> crimsun: time to get ill?
[02:55] <occy> crimsun: ;)
[02:55] <crimsun> occy: it's barely one day before release, there's a lot of syncing occurring
[02:55] <dazed|> tritium: for example i know GAIM has an icon...but it did not list it.. :(
[02:55] <Xeon3D> Sauron21,  use dpkg -i file.deb
[02:55] <occy> crimsun: ahhh
[02:55] <occy> crimsun: did not know that.
[02:55] <uphu> but, I selected all resolutions that my monitor can handle, thanks for the help though
[02:55] <george_> crimsun: i muted the pcm
[02:55] <occy> zenrox: err hey :)
[02:56] <ubuntu> hi! Wow, this is the first time I've used IRC X Chat
[02:56] <tritium> dazed|, it's in gaim-data
[02:56] <occy> ubuntu:  /nick foo
[02:56] <crimsun> george_: I think you'll want to be able to hear sounds ;)
[02:56] <thundrcleeze> I'm getting an error of "no screens found" after I updated, and X won't start.
[02:56] <Sauron21> it worked.....atleast I think it did...
[02:56] <Sauron21> hehe....
[02:56] <crimsun> george_: so muting PCM might not be the smartest choice ;)
[02:56] <george_> crimsun: lol id think so
[02:56] <spades> complxor: you install gnome-bluetooth?
[02:56] <george_> crimsun: ok what should i do lol
[02:57] <ubuntu> can anybody tell me if I can use my floppy drive if I'm using the Live CD or not?
[02:57] <ubuntu> I heard I have to change fstab
[02:57] <syn1> will xfce run smoother/faster than gnome on a P3 600Mhz 128MB laptop?
[02:57] <thundrcleeze> you should be able to, Ubuntu
[02:57] <zenrox> hay occy
[02:57] <Blissex> syn1: yes.
[02:57] <zenrox> how it going
[02:57] <crimsun> george_: use alsamixer to toggle that setting
[02:57] <complxor> yea
[02:57] <Sauron21> thx Xeon3D....it worked...:D
[02:57] <complxor> spades, yea i did
[02:57] <tritium> dazed|, most are in /usr/share/pixmaps
[02:58] <occy> zenrox: never did get that silly phone thing working.
[02:58] <george_> crimsun: to toggle my pcm out?
[02:58] <zenrox> lol
[02:58] <syn1> Blissex: thanks
[02:58] <zenrox> occy join #ubuntuforums
[02:58] <dazed|> well i pointed my menu generator to that folder but it didnt pickup a few of em so im looking for specific ones
[02:58] <ubuntu> but when I try to mount it says fd0 doesn't exist
[02:58] <syn1> well, the moment of truth
[02:58] <Blissex> syn1: GNOME is notoriously a bit heavy on small machines, especially if you dont disable a lot of the cool features. Nautilus is also particularly heavy.
[02:59] <tritium> ubuntu, perhaps the floppy module is not loaded?  lsmod | grep floppy
[02:59] <dazed|> ok i found em tritium but i need to convert .png to .xpm are there any specific apps that can do that
[02:59] <idn_1> hi, anyone having trouble with gnome bit torrent, basically there are no errors but its not downloading
[02:59] <idn_1> btw bt works in windows
[02:59] <tritium> dazed|, imagemagick can do that easily
[02:59] <ubuntu> let me see
[02:59] <Blissex> synic: XFCE is good though. But also try disabling all the cool GUI things, like animations, antialiasing, backgrounds, ...
[02:59] <crimsun> george_: no, your 'PCM Out Path & Mute'
[02:59] <tritium> dazed|, the program is called "convert" (part of imagemagick)
[03:00] <sophie_msumu> tritium: hello any e16 user out there ?
[03:00] <dazed|> sooo i dooo need that huh lol
[03:00] <tritium> sophie_msumu, hi
[03:00] <george_> crimsun: i have 2 optins post 3d or pre 3d
[03:00] <fallstorm> idn_1, are you on a router or something?
[03:00] <ubuntu> OK, I used the command you said tritium and it shows this:floppy                 54864  0
[03:01] <idn_1> yeah i am, but its not the router i think
[03:01] <idn_1> because it works ok in winxp
[03:01] <flodine> is there a ubuntu release soon
[03:01] <kbrooks> can i ping the chan? ping
[03:01] <kbrooks> flodine, certainly
[03:01] <kbrooks> friday afaik
[03:01] <^thehatsrule^> ping? pong!
[03:01] <fallstorm> BT requires certain ports to be open because it links your download to your upload... if the router isn't forwarding those ports to your Ubuntu machine, BT either won't download or will download extremely slowly
[03:01] <tritium> ubuntu, okay, then the module is in fact loaded
[03:02] <fallstorm> Try setting your router's DMZ IP adress (or the router's option for "Send everything to this IP") to your Ubuntu IP
[03:02] <idn_1> ok
[03:03] <ubuntu> OK. I'm pretty new to linux and didn't get exactly what you want me to do fallstorm
[03:03] <thundrcleeze> what's the command to reconfigure x.org's display?
[03:03] <fallstorm> ubuntu, huh?
[03:04] <george_> crimsun: neither options seem to make a difference
[03:04] <CarlK> thundrcleeze - xorgcfg or xorgconfig ?
[03:04] <ubuntu> I don't know what you mean by setting my router's DMZ...
[03:04] <complxor> anyone has any idea on why the send to bluetooth isn't appearing on my context menu?
[03:05] <tritium> thundrcleeze, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:05] <Marble2> How come when I go to System -> Lock Screen, it doesn't lock my screen
[03:05] <thundrcleeze> tritium, it doesn't seem to be a command.
[03:06] <tritium> thundrcleeze, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:07] <george_> crimsun: i ahve to go soon if you find any additional info please email me at skaterkid1212@sbcglobal dot net
[03:07] <synd> hoorah
[03:07] <george_> lol
[03:08] <synd> george_: .net too much?
[03:08] <thundrcleeze> he's thinking this is usenet :)
[03:08] <george_> synd: worried about email scourers
[03:08] <synd> george_: good point
[03:08] <george_> what none of those on IRC?
[03:09] <cef> must admit, I'm quite happy that this dual AMD64 server I have here is running ubuntu (hoary)
[03:09] <synd> cef: nice, isnt it?
[03:09] <kbrooks> i want to import a key
[03:09] <cef> now, if only the winbind package was in main... *sigh*
[03:09] <thundrcleeze> eh, I always give out it in a /msg.  Of course, this channel does have 400 people in it.
[03:09] <synd> wow xfce is so much better for low end laptops
[03:09] <cef> synd: well I'm running quite a few ubuntu boxes, but the amd64 is the only one running as any sort of server
[03:09] <george_> crimsun: got my email?
[03:10] <spades> complxor: you can use command line: gnome-obex-send filename
[03:10] <synd> cef: i see
[03:10] <george_> someone pass on my email to crimsun
[03:11] <george_> PEACE OUT
[03:11] <synd> is there any way to login from one ubuntu computer to another on the same LAN..?
[03:11] <cef> synd: just find it annoying that while samba is in main, winbind (which is really part of any samba install where you've got a Windows domain on a Windows PC) isn't. *sigh*
[03:11] <Sumido> synd: y xfce is great for that. I'm looking for the new xffm though . . .
[03:11] <tritium> synd, ssh (you need to install openssh-server on the one you want to login to)
[03:11] <synd> with the ability to see and control the desktop on that computer?
[03:12] <thundrcleeze> are there any "easy to use" terminal irc programs?
[03:12] <synd> thundrcleeze: i dont think easy and terminal should be in the same sentance
[03:12] <synd> sentence
[03:12] <paul__> easy and irc probably shouln't either
[03:13] <paul__> +d
[03:13] <tritium> thundrcleeze, irssi
[03:13] <sophie_msumu> synd: you do use xfce for real ?
[03:13] <synd> tritium: with the ability to see and control the desktop on that computer?
[03:13] <thundrcleeze> thanks, tritium
[03:13] <synd> sophie_msumu: i'm on it right now.
[03:13] <mlambie> synd: check out xnest, rdesktop (the terminal server client) and enabling XDMCP on the target machine (through the GDM login configuration)
[03:13] <tritium> synd, no
[03:13] <flodine> is ubuntu 5.04 buggy?
[03:13] <Jamminpotato_> flodine, no
[03:14] <kbrooks> no bugs anymore
[03:14] <thundrcleeze> tritium, do you know offhand where to get the program?  It's not in any of the repositories I have, but it's referred to.
[03:14] <uph1> so anyway, I tried that.  I boot into ubunto, everything on the screen is scrammbled.  I do ctrl-alt-f1, everything in the prompt is scrammbled.  What is this?
[03:14] <mlambie> synd, tritium: I use x11vnc to control the *actual* desktop displayed on a remote machine
[03:14] <synd> mlambie: is it easy to set up?
[03:15] <Jamminpotato_> uph1, sounds liek a video problem
[03:15] <tritium> thundrcleeze, apt-cache search irssi should find it (irssi-text, for example)
[03:15] <paul__> sounds like a monitor refresh problem
[03:15] <uph1> yes but how do I fix it :)
[03:16] <uph1> I kinda know what the problem is already
[03:16] <zenrox> uph1, tell your bios to load thegf card first
[03:16] <zenrox> or disabe the onboard one
[03:16] <zenrox> disable
[03:17] <uph1> Yea, the thing about that is I never figured out how to disable it because I could never find it in bios
[03:17] <mlambie> synd: you need to add x11vnc to the session in GNOME, but the x11vnc website shows you how, and there's ubuntu packages
[03:17] <synd> mlambie: alright, ill check that out
[03:17] <uph1> However, I did try booting with my onboard and nothing appeared on the screen.  Makes me think it is disabled (I forget how I did it though)
[03:18] <zenrox> uph1, dig out your mobo manual
[03:18] <uph1> My mobo manuel is squat
[03:19] <Jamminpotato_> uph1, on some mobos its a jumper
[03:19] <uph1> jumper?
[03:19] <Jamminpotato_> to enable onboard or not
[03:19] <mlambie> synd: I then setup a password in ~/.vnc/passwd using vncpasswd on my laptop. i added an icon that links to "/usr/bin/vncviewer -passwd /home/mlambie/.vnc/passwd duke:0" where duke is my server, and :0 is the display
[03:19] <uph1> What do you mean jumper?
[03:20] <montana_> uphl: cable you have to adjust on your mobo under different circumstances (bus speed, etc)
[03:20] <synd> mlambie: ah... i see
[03:20] <mlambie> synd: i click that and it brings up the VNC session without asking for a password. note though it only seems to like one single session at a time, and x11vnc has crashed on me a few times after about two weeks.
[03:21] <uph1> you guys are making this too hard.  So if I just disable the onboard you think that will fix it?  Why would the onboard be effecting it anyway?
[03:21] <mlambie> that's no problem because this machine is on a home lan raping bit torrents, so a reboot isn't anything i can't live with every few weeks or so.
[03:21] <mlambie> and that's only been once or twice; it's farily stable. ssh etc will still respond, just vnc is dead
[03:22] <synd> mlambie: oh ok. well i just wanna have it to be able to check my Gaim running on a computer in my room while im at other places in the house working on other ubuntu computers
[03:22] <mlambie> can yo unot be logged in on all the computesr with GAIM? will it log you out when you log in elsewhere?
[03:23] <synd> mlambie: yes, but you cant check what messages were left on the other computer
[03:23] <mlambie> ofcourse
[03:23] <synd> and thats what i wanna do..
[03:24] <billy`> When I minimize my my programs, then arent showing up in my menu bar, does anyone know what may cause this?
[03:25] <synd> another unrelated thing.. when I use xfce or KDE my wireless connection (using ndiswrapper) works fine and continuously, but when i use gnome.. it drops seemingly randomly.. ive used xfce for the past week straight without a single drop.
[03:25] <billy`> alright, thanks guys!
[03:25] <synd> does the ability to keep the wireless connection have to do with the type desktop i have running?
[03:27] <pauliukas> How can I install Skype on Ubuntu?
[03:28] <montana_> Question, what is Skype? I installed at but when I run it it does nothing.
[03:28] <pauliukas> If I do with the .deb file, I always get an error message saying that "the program cannot be displayed"
[03:28] <pauliukas> montana_, The world's most popular voice chatting client www.skype.com :-)
[03:28] <merlin__> Is this is a known problem with the multiuniverse release file?
[03:28] <merlin__> Failed to fetch file:/auto/corpsoftware/ubuntu/dists/hoary/Release  Unable to find expected entry  multiuniverse/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[03:29] <montana_> okay, how do i whisper? i can tell you how to get skype if you want
[03:29] <pauliukas> montana_, Go ahead.
[03:29] <montana_> make sure you have universal repositories first. then $ sudo apt-get install libqt3c102-mt
[03:29] <synd> montana_: /msg <nick>
[03:30] <synd> montana_: or /query <nick>
[03:32] <pauliukas> This is the error message that I get: http://img171.exs.cx/img171/395/screenshot4zr.png
[03:32] <synd> american idol is the worst show ever
[03:34] <synd> pauliukas: you gotta dpkg -i <.deb file here>
[03:34] <pauliukas> synd, Thanks
[03:35] <liberie_> Hello
[03:35] <synd> pauliukas: ps, i like the OSX background
[03:35] <pauliukas> synd, I'm a mac-wanabee
[03:35] <liberie_> anyone here know if ubuntu support more than 4GB of ram (any special kernel ?)
[03:35] <pauliukas> Costs too much for my budget, right now
[03:36] <synd> pauliukas: seen the new Mac Mini?
[03:36] <synd> pauliukas: im a mac freak
[03:36] <pauliukas> synd, Yeah... but still
[03:36] <pauliukas> It's like steve jobs saying that it's ONLY 620$ canadian!
[03:36] <synd> pauliukas: haha. understandable
[03:36] <MrRagga> hi, is it a known problem, that ubuntu does not find the partition table when installing in vmware?
[03:36] <pauliukas> While I can get the best rig for 1400 here!
[03:37] <pauliukas> Also. While I'm here...
[03:37] <pauliukas> How can I disable the evolution-data-server taking up 30mb of my RAM?
[03:38] <synd> pauliukas: true. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/pmartin245/DSCN0553.jpg & http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/pmartin245/DSCN0554.jpg
[03:38] <pauliukas> I'll be glad to use another email client as long as I canf ree up that RAM
[03:38] <pauliukas> synd, Show off...
[03:38] <synd> pauliukas: why not just uninstall it?
[03:39] <pauliukas> synd, apt-cache uninstall?
[03:39] <pauliukas> Or how do I proceed?
[03:39] <geneo93> pauliukas:  apt-get remove (app)
[03:40] <pauliukas> geneo93, Ah. thanks
[03:40] <synd> pauliukas: or, you can mark for removal in synaptic
[03:40] <pauliukas> synd, What's that?
[03:40] <MrRagga> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=15308 ;) <-- seems to solve my problem with vmware ;)
[03:41] <pauliukas> Can anyone tell me when will the 3D accelerated X is gonna come out?
[03:41] <synd> a GUI package manager, basically apt-get type stuff
[03:41] <pauliukas> These "lagging" windows are killing me!
[03:41] <pauliukas> synd, Where can I find it?
[03:42] <^thehatsrule^> lol... its fast for me :P
[03:42] <EricNeon> jdub, mailing list is ok?
[03:42] <synd> load up root terminal
[03:42] <synd> type synaptic
[03:42] <pauliukas> ohhh. ammazing!
[03:42] <^thehatsrule^> lol... its in the gnome menu too
[03:42] <complxor> i burnt the ubuntu disc in my computer, now i am trying to install it on my dad's laptop but i get checksum error
[03:42] <pauliukas> muahhahahah! Uninstallation spree!
[03:42] <complxor> anyone knows what might be wrong?
[03:43] <hyphenated> complxor: does it work on your computer?
[03:43] <complxor> yea
[03:43] <complxor> i installed ubuntu with that disc
[03:43] <geneo93> check the md5sum of iso
[03:43] <complxor> and i recieve the same error with the fedora core 3 boot disk
[03:43] <daniels> A mix-up that led to a stillborn baby being sent away and washed with dirty linen would not happen again, a Melbourne hospital said today.
[03:43] <daniels> A Melbourne newspaper reported today that the stillborn foetus, delivered at the Royal Women's Hospital, was accidentally placed in the hospital laundry system.
[03:43] <daniels> sorry, stupid mouse
[03:43] <synd> pauliukas: you can click on Status and see what you have installed
[03:43] <hyphenated> it could be that the drive on your dad's laptop is more fussy about the media than the one on your machine
[03:43] <goldfish> what login manager does ubuntu use?
[03:43] <pauliukas> uhhh
[03:44] <complxor> so do you have any recommendation?
[03:44] <hyphenated> goldfish: the gnome one
[03:44] <goldfish> k
[03:44] <pauliukas> If I uninstall Evolution, it says that "ubuntu-dekstop" will be also uninstalled?
[03:44] <goldfish> thanks
[03:44] <geneo93> complxor:  it take about 128 mb of ram for install files
[03:44] <smouche> complxor, I found I could only get a good disk if I burned at the slowest possible speed.
[03:44] <pauliukas> So does this means that Evolution is equivalent to IE on Windows?
[03:44] <complxor> but i don't have the iso anymore so i can't burn it
[03:45] <smouche> pauliukas, no I think that's just a metapackage
[03:45] <synd> pauliukas: youre fine
[03:45] <pauliukas> smouche, synd, So it's safe to delete ubuntu-dekstop?
[03:45] <synd> pauliukas: evolution is a whole suite..
[03:45] <geneo93> yes
[03:45] <^thehatsrule^> lol...
[03:45] <smouche> I believe so pauliukas.
[03:46] <synd> yup
[03:46] <darkgamer20> has the offical 5.04 release been released becuase i haven't seen any news on it
[03:46] <darkgamer20> ???
[03:46] <pauliukas> Yeah. I don't want to end up with a computer without an OS!
[03:46] <synd> darkgamer20: no
[03:46] <synd> darkgamer20: this friday it will be
[03:46] <complxor> anyone can help me?
[03:46] <darkgamer20> synd: was it delayed?
[03:46] <synd> darkgamer20: believe so.
[03:46] <^thehatsrule^> download it?
[03:46] <geneo93> darkgamer20:  the 8th
[03:46] <smouche> pauliukas, get synaptic.  It's quite informative about various packages, and usually indicates which are metapackages that you can safely remove.
[03:46] <synd> darkgamer20: it was sposed be released today
[03:47] <synd> smouche: he's on synaptic
[03:47] <darkgamer20> synd: yea cause they said it would be released on the 6th today
[03:47] <hyphenated> complxor: no private messages please
[03:47] <complxor> sorry bro
[03:47] <complxor> well best thing i can do is burn disc again on slowest speeD?
[03:47] <darkgamer20> synd: dose it matter if i install today or on friday?
[03:47] <hyphenated> it's worth a try
[03:47] <pauliukas> still one prob...
[03:48] <pauliukas> If I remove evolution0data-server
[03:48] <smouche> It wouldn't hurt, complxor.
[03:48] <pauliukas> It wants to remove gnome
[03:48] <complxor> ok thanks
[03:48] <pauliukas> is thta a metathing also?
[03:48] <pauliukas> hehe
[03:48] <synd> darkgamer20: id just wait til friday
[03:48] <EricNeon> jdubare you here?
[03:48] <darkgamer20> synd: ok thanks
[03:48] <EricNeon> smurfix, are you here
[03:48] <darkgamer20> see ya
[03:48] <synd> pauliukas: weird
[03:49] <synd> pauliukas: maybe its best to just leave on there hmm
[03:49] <airmikey> anyone get mplayer or gdesklets running on amd64 ?
[03:49] <geneo93> pauliukas:  killall evolution
[03:49] <pauliukas> synd, But damn! 32 megs! That's worse than windows services!
[03:50] <synd> true
[03:50] <pauliukas> http://img34.exs.cx/img34/6310/screenshot11lf.png
[03:50] <synd> well its worth a try
[03:50] <airmikey> yes ,no maybe ,kinda ?
[03:50] <synd> lol
[03:50] <synd> you can always, reinstall ; )
[03:51] <pauliukas> yeah. Thanks
[03:51] <synd> haha, kidding.
[03:51] <pauliukas> Why do you think I came to Linux: reliability
[03:51] <pauliukas> I reinstall windows eevry year or so because of all the build ups!
[03:51] <synd> i know this.
[03:52] <geneo93> pauliukas:  if you dont want evolution install kubuntu
[03:52] <pauliukas> So you were always happy with the Evolution 32mb datacerver?
[03:52] <pauliukas> geneo93, I hate KDE...
[03:52] <pauliukas> I like Gnome for it's Mac OS X wanabee look
[03:52] <pussfeller> kontact is alot more functinal than evolution
[03:52] <synd> pauliukas: it dont look too much like osx :p
[03:52] <synd> i think xfce looks more like osx
[03:53] <geneo93> pauliukas:  you can get mac looks with kde as well
[03:53] <smouche> pauliukas, if you hate it you hate it, but I used to hate it to, and I have to say the new version of kde is incredibly better.
[03:53] <synd> at least it has a window theme of aqua
[03:53] <pauliukas> geneo93, I've used 2 years of KDE now... I didin't like it
[03:53] <pauliukas> It was buggy
[03:53] <pauliukas> it crashed when I wanted to move an icon
[03:53] <SirGrok> I have a problem: I was upgrading to 5.04 via apt-get dist-upgrade and my system crashed. Now I try to boot up and I can't start X11... I can get into the recovery mode (and I finieshed up apt-get dist-upgrade) but it still isn't booting... Any ideas.
[03:53] <pauliukas> all sorts of unexplainable things happened
[03:54] <synd> i dont like kde, it has a winxp feel
[03:54] <hyphenated> it has whatever feel you tell it to have
[03:54] <geneo93> pauliukas:  its you and only you then i used it for 6 years and never had problems
[03:54] <synd> well i dont wanna have to tell it anything
[03:54] <windexh8er> SirGrok:  Did you have nvidia drivers installed?
[03:54] <SirGrok> Yes I do.
[03:54] <Fackamato> SirGrok: Check the X log.
[03:55] <synd> anyone use fluxbox?
[03:55] <pauliukas> synd, So... How do I install XFCE :-)?
[03:55] <Lithi> Whens the next public / non preview release of Ubuntu? 14th?
[03:55] <geneo93> me
[03:55] <SirGrok> Fackamato: I am somewhat of a linux n00b.... I have only been on it for about 6 months. Is it /etc/X11/ somewhere?
[03:55] <synd> pauliukas: apt-get install xfce4
[03:55] <windexh8er> SirGrok, then more than likely your kernel got bumped and nvidia.ko is still in your old modules directory...
[03:55] <pauliukas> synd, Excellent. Muahhahahahah!
[03:55] <smouche> I never understand why people say that, synd.  If anything, gnome seems more windowish to me, because it's harder for me to get it to do what I want.  Kde lets me make my setup vastly different-seeming from windowsXP...
[03:55] <SirGrok> windexh8er: How would I fix taht problem?
[03:56] <geneo93> reboot
[03:56] <Arnia> hyphenated: You can't alter some things I view as quite important... button order, HIG, typography (for some reason KDE's text layout engine positions the text very very tightly and it bothers me)
[03:56] <windexh8er> SirGrok, seemingly you could try to remove the old install from apt (of nvidia-glx, or whatever) and then reinstall, and reboot...
[03:56] <pauliukas> synd, root@paulius:/home/paulius # apt-get install xfce4
[03:56] <pauliukas> Reading Package Lists... Done
[03:56] <pauliukas> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[03:56] <pauliukas> E: Couldn't find package xfce4
[03:56] <pauliukas> root@paulius:/home/paulius #
[03:57] <smouche> But I'm not too happy with either gnome or kde right now; gnome crashes my panels constantly, kde crashes the file browser.
[03:57] <synd> smouche: try xfce?
[03:57] <windexh8er> SirGrok, it's easier to just install the Nvidia drivers from the package Nvidia puts out.  Ubuntu doesn't handle new kernels and those types of modules well...
[03:57] <synd> pauliukas: you need the repos
[03:57] <SirGrok> windexh8er: I will try that... What is the command apt-get purge nvidia-glx ?
[03:57] <pauliukas> synd, ....
[03:57] <complxor> is there a way to skip the checksum check
[03:57] <complxor> ?
[03:57] <pauliukas> synd,
[03:57] <smouche> xfce4 with rox-filer is probably what I'll settle on, synd.  It's very nice and very fast
[03:57] <resiak> pauliukas: Looks like you need universe
[03:57] <pauliukas> synd, What's that?
[03:57] <synd> pauliukas: one sec
[03:57] <pauliukas> synd, Okey-dokey
[03:58] <synd> pauliukas: http://ubuntuguide.org/temp/#extrarepositories
[03:58] <windexh8er> SirGrok, that should work...
[03:58] <SirGrok> I will try. Thanks a lot. Back in a flash.
[03:58] <windexh8er> K.  Good luck...
[03:59] <windexh8er> Arnia, because they have nothing better to do.  :)
[03:59] <Arnia> Just found out the spec of a machine my friend bought... I have to ask who needs 2 gigabyte ethernet cards
[03:59] <pauliukas> synd, I'll try that now
[03:59] <Arnia> *gigabit
[03:59] <synd> pauliukas: make sure you dont put the $
[03:59] <pussfeller> hds wont even write that fast
[03:59] <smouche> speed for what?  The only speed I care about is not having to see a damn cursor telling me what I already know- that I'm waiting!
[04:00] <cef> Arnia: I've got a machine here that has 2 gigabit cards and 1 100baseTX card in it.. all on board *sigh*
[04:00] <windexh8er> Yeah, but if you had a huge DB with a ton of RAM and you were doing a shitload of transaction Gb cards are a must...
[04:00] <Arnia> cef: These are add ons
[04:00] <Arnia> windexh8er: Yes, but he just wants it to play games and code
[04:00] <cef> the only real reason dual gigabit would be useful is for failover/redundacy
[04:01] <synd> smouche: whats rox-filer?
[04:01] <cef> or if it's a router (one in, one out)
[04:01] <windexh8er> Arnia, well then I guess he'll be ahead of the curve for a few years.  :)
[04:01] <SirGrok> windexh8er: It is telling me when I try to run apt-get purge nvidia-glx it tells me that purge isn't an option.
[04:01] <cycom> can I use debian apt sources for ubuntu?
[04:01] <Arnia> windexh8er: He just thinks its cool to have the fastest system he can get. He's the sort who will do a stage 1 gentoo with agressive optimisation to get a few clockcycles
[04:01] <pussfeller> roxfiler is a file manager
[04:01] <windexh8er> SirGrok, then just apt-get remove nvidia-glx
[04:01] <smouche> synd, it's just a file browser, beautifully designed and quick
[04:01] <cef> SirGrok: 'apt-get --purge remove'
[04:01] <synd> smouche: avail from apt-get?
[04:02] <pussfeller> i dont like the way it resizes, drives me nuts
[04:02] <smouche> synd, I'm not sure; probably in universe...
[04:02] <pauliukas> yay! Now I get a broken package error?
[04:02] <smouche> It works very well with xfce
[04:02] <cef> cycom: for usual packages no, for special repositories (ie: commercial packages), then you can, but be careful
[04:02] <pauliukas> Anyway of simply downloading the .deb file?
[04:02] <cycom> cef: ok
[04:02] <dur> was today the official release of 5.04?  Because I don't see it anywhere, just the RC
[04:02] <smouche> I use it in kde to, because I love the way it presents info.
[04:02] <^thehatsrule^> friday
[04:03] <pussfeller> what is ubuntu going to do abut the new java-openoffice meld
[04:03] <cycom> cef: I can't find kismet and stuff like that.  Does that just mean there aren't packages for it, or what?
[04:03] <flodine> anyone running 64bit here
[04:03] <flodine> holla
[04:03] <cef> cycom: try adding universe (see /etc/apt/sources.list)
[04:03] <cycom> oh, ok.
[04:03] <cef> flodine: dual AMD64's (amongst other things)
[04:03] <hawke> friday in what timezone?
[04:04] <smouche> synd, I'm not sure if it's called "rox-filer" or just rox, actually.  I think there's a whole distro put out called rox, using xfce and zero install...
[04:04] <pussfeller> did you get any noticable boost with amd64?
[04:04] <kbrooks> grrrr
[04:04] <cef> cycom: like debian has main, contrib and non-free, ubuntu has main restricted and universe
[04:04] <pussfeller> im thinking about getting a laptop with an amd64 in it
[04:04] <cef> cycom: and multiverse as well, but lets not go there yet
[04:05] <flodine> are there repository for 64 bit
[04:05] <christian_> I bought a amd64 last summer from compaq, its pretty nice.  Haven't tried 64 bit verison of linux yet htough
[04:05] <smouche> pussfeller, I have one.  I'm having problems with the cpu throttling, and things are sluggish.  But I'm an ignoramus, so your mileage might be better.
[04:05] <flodine> new ones
[04:05] <flodine> holla
[04:05] <cycom> cef: soucef: thank you
[04:05] <cycom> er...cef:
[04:05] <flodine> holla back
[04:05] <hawke> ^thehatsrule^: friday in what timezone?
[04:05] <pussfeller> smouche, i guess, at least on these gateway laptiops i was looking at, unless its plugged in, it caps itself at 700mz
[04:05] <smouche> I'm not using 64 bit kubuntu, because all this chmod stuff is still confusing to me...
[04:06] <Pluk> 64bit ubuntu is working just fine here :) i like it
[04:06] <pussfeller> i cant wait to get it so I can run linux on a modern machine
[04:07] <flodine> pluk do you have munine or mplayer installed
[04:07] <smouche> pussfeller, you're right, but even plugged in, I can't seem to change any settings; anyway, it's nowhere near as fast as when I'm using (32 bit) windows...
[04:07] <Pluk> dont notice a speed change though.. they  are both fast
[04:07] <pussfeller> this legacy equipment is starting to get old
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> that's why they call it legacy
[04:07] <pussfeller> heh, that was a bit redundant
[04:07] <hawke> pussfeller: how legacy?
[04:07] <Pluk> yeah i have mplayer installed but cant play wmv cuz theyre 32bits only
[04:07] <smouche> but frankly, amd64 was an impulse buy for me, I'm a total flaming noob with all this.
[04:07] <pussfeller> p3, p2, and a k6
[04:07] <regeya> pussfeller, I'd love to put that in my .sig: "<pussfeller> this legacy equipment is starting to get old"
[04:08] <pussfeller> just leave out the <pussfeller> :)
[04:08] <regeya> heh
[04:08] <regeya> np
[04:08] <kbrooks> :)
[04:08] <regeya> thx
[04:08] <smouche> just how low can you go with ubuntu in terms of cpu and ram, I wonder?
[04:09] <hay> if u dont want a gui pretty low i'd imagine
[04:09] <pussfeller> it runs on my p2 400mz ok, but i got an nvidia in there and that gives it some boost i think
[04:09] <cef> cycom: no problem
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> smouche: you wouldn't want much lower than a P2 class machine
[04:09] <hawke> pussfeller: It works fine on my p3 400 as well.
[04:09] <smouche> yeah, hay, I should have said "with a gui"...;-)
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> (realistically)
[04:09] <geneo93> smouche:  386 with 128 mb of ram
[04:09] <ryman> hi guys, anyone using Hoary and have sound problem ?
[04:09] <hawke> pussfeller: your quote submitted to bash.org as well. :-)
[04:10] <pussfeller> played divx5 avis over the lan smoothly
[04:10] <cef> flodine: amd64 is a released architecture on ubuntu (unlike debian)
[04:10] <HrdwrBoB> and 256 mb ram to run a few things, 128 should work
[04:10] <pussfeller> im going to be famous!
[04:10] <complxor> whats the best way of burning the ubuntu disk?
[04:10] <complxor> dao, tao, or raw?
[04:10] <geneo93> 386 is before pentium
[04:10] <pussfeller> that k6 works great as a server with gentoo on it
[04:11] <hawke> gen: Yeah, just a bit.
[04:11] <pussfeller> no gui
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> complxor: doesn't matter
[04:11] <cef> I'm guessing that 386 won't work with ubuntu.. 486 is probably the minimum..
[04:11] <smouche> pussfeller, funny you mention divx-- they play really smoothly on my nvidia via lan too-- but I can't get dvd's to play decently at all!
[04:11] <lim_> hi all
[04:11] <complxor> what speed should i pick?
[04:11] <pussfeller> smouche, you might need to tweak some things, i dont think its supposed to run that badly
[04:12] <lim_> smouche: have you enabled DMA in DVD ?
[04:12] <pussfeller> i would post to the forum and/or mailing lists about it
[04:12] <cef> complxor: whatever the disk you're burning onto and the writer have in common
[04:12] <cycom> hrm
[04:12] <smouche> thank you pussfeller and lim_ -- I'll check
[04:13] <pussfeller> xvids strain the p2 tho
[04:13] <pussfeller> some more than others
[04:13] <cycom> cef: do I have to do something like env-update to get apt to see the new config?
[04:13] <cef> cycom: try 'apt-get update'
[04:13] <cycom> ok
[04:14] <cycom> that's what I'm doing now
[04:14] <cef> cool.. should pull down any new sources you've added
[04:14] <pussfeller> only thing i dont like about that gateay laptop im looking at is it has ati card in it, and only a 64 mb and i don't know how good the state of ati drivers on linux is
[04:15] <Pluk> theyre getting better pussfeller
[04:15] <HrdwrBoB> pussfeller: if you want 3d .. it kinda works...
[04:15] <Pluk> still lacking acpi though
[04:15] <smouche> pussfeller, I get the feeling nvidia is much better supported than ati, but I could be wrong...
[04:15] <Pluk> and on a laptop you prolly want acpi support :)
[04:15] <HrdwrBoB> smouche: in general yes
[04:15] <lim_> i'm having troubles with suspend to ram in ubuntu 5.04 and a Samsung M40.. any with this similar problem ?
[04:15] <HrdwrBoB> the ati free driver is much better than the nvidia free driver
[04:15] <Pluk> true
[04:15] <HrdwrBoB> but the ati binary driver is much worse than the nvidia binary driver
[04:16] <pussfeller> nvidia puts out regular drivers that are close to their windows ones in functinality, while the ati drivers,  i dont know
[04:16] <Pluk> ati free driver even has dynamic clock in it
[04:16] <Pluk> it can adjust your gpu corespeed
[04:16] <pussfeller> is the free driver better for ati?
[04:16] <Pluk> only for 2d
[04:16] <smouche> HrdrBoB, what's the difference between the free driver and the binary driver?  I've never been clear on this -- I'm just using what I got with my default install
[04:17] <HrdwrBoB> smouche: the default is the free driver
[04:17] <ryman> hi can someone help me with my sound ? I'm on Hoary .
[04:17] <christian_> Is there anyway to send my processor calculations to my gpu hehe j/k
[04:17] <cycom> shoot. I just needed to apt-get -f install
[04:17] <HrdwrBoB> it works for the most part
[04:17] <HrdwrBoB> but does not support all acceleration or 3d acceleration or TV out etc etc
[04:17] <pussfeller> you have nvidia smouche ?
[04:17] <pussfeller> you should get the binary drivers
[04:17] <smouche> yes, pussfeller -- geForce4
[04:17] <pussfeller> the ones released by nvidia
[04:18] <pussfeller> its on the wiki somewhere how to do it
[04:18] <synd> im trying to play a stream in Music Player, but im getting this error "There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg."
[04:18] <synd> ideas?
[04:18] <geneo93> pussfeller:  i have ubuntu's 7174 installed and they are just fine
[04:18] <HrdwrBoB> synd: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins iirc
[04:18] <smouche> all right, this is great info-- thanks everyone
[04:19] <synd> HrdwrBoB: thanks bud
[04:19] <Mestapheles> hmmm rhythmbox i still broken in hoary
[04:20] <geneo93> HrdwrBoB:  does that install mad as well
[04:20] <ryman> Mestapheles, do you have sound in Hoary ?
[04:20] <Mestapheles> yes
[04:20] <ryman> I can't get any sound in Hoary even though rhythmbox is working
[04:20] <Mestapheles> xmms works really good
[04:20] <pauliukas> XFCE is nice@!
[04:20] <ryman> Mestapheles, can you help me with the sound ?
[04:20] <ells> tritium: hey Mike what is up
[04:20] <pauliukas> But... How can I change the resolution and refresh rate in it?
[04:20] <ryman> I dont' have any sound even boost up sound
[04:20] <Mestapheles> hold on I made a wiki
[04:20] <tritium> ells, Hi Steve - just working hard.  You?
[04:20] <ryman> oh ok
[04:21] <synd> pauliukas: try settings, its the tool looking icon in the dock
[04:21] <ells> tritium: just hangin out, took the kids to soccer practice
[04:21] <pauliukas> synd, Then what..
[04:21] <synd> HrdwrBoB: E: Couldn't find package iirc
[04:22] <christian_> what version of xfce will ubuntu 5.04 have?
[04:22] <smouche> hmm, that's a good question, pauliukas; I noticed my display seems degraded on xfce compared with kde-- I'm not sure where you'd find a setting for that...
[04:22] <christian_> does anyone know which version will be in the repository?
[04:22] <synd> pauliukas: no idea either.
[04:22] <pauliukas> okkkk. Back to gnome
[04:22] <pauliukas> brb
[04:22] <montana_> is anyone willing to help me install Cedega? I've read the readme, but am sort of confused.
[04:22] <tritium> christian_, <IP_ADDRESS> is already there
[04:22] <Mestapheles> ryan:http://ubuntuppc.webplazahosting.com/index.php?SettingXmmsAndUsbSound
[04:22] <casimir> pauliukas, if you have gnome installed, try running gnome-display-properties
[04:23] <christian_> tritium, thanks :)
[04:23] <Mestapheles> ryan: hope that helps
[04:23] <tritium> np
[04:23] <_antonio> hi friends
[04:23] <thundrcleeze> hi
[04:23] <Pluk> hiya
[04:23] <_antonio> could anyone explain me what version is going to be release on april 8?
[04:23] <synd> _antonio: hoary final
[04:24] <_antonio> is diferent than http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/.?
[04:24] <_antonio> release candidate i mean
[04:24] <synd> yes
[04:25] <_antonio> then i should wait until april 8 to get that release?
[04:25] <smouche> I don't understand why 16 bit color looks better hthan 24 bit on my amd64! (and in windows, I can run 32 bit color depth) yeah, I should try the nvidia driver...
[04:25] <geppy> Where can I get gnome-config?
[04:25] <synd> smouche: i can never tell a difference
[04:26] <smouche> synd, I normally can't either, except with gradient images, like some linux wallpaper, and for example the backgrounds used by open office 2.  I just see bars instead of smooth gradients.  Very patchy.
[04:27] <montana_> how do I run a script from the terminal?
[04:27] <thundrcleeze> ./
[04:27] <goldfish> make sure it is executable
[04:27] <goldfish> then
[04:27] <goldfish> yeah that :)
[04:27] <geppy> Come on, gnome-config has _got_ to be in a package, somewhere.
[04:27] <thundrcleeze> with chmod +x
[04:27] <montana_> thanks
[04:27] <smouche> I would expect that moving down to 16 would make the gradients worse, but it actually improved things slightly.
[04:27] <pauliukas> chmod 777 filename
[04:28] <thundrcleeze> not +x, pauliukas?
[04:28] <daniels> geppy: gnome-config is from gnome 1.x, not 2.x
[04:28] <synd> smouche: weird
[04:28] <casimir> montana_, alternatively you can use sh [scriptname]
[04:28] <dazed|> whats a good ftp program
[04:28] <sysrq> geppy: libgnome-dev: /usr/bin/gnome-config
[04:28] <geppy> daniels: Oh!
[04:28] <crimsun> sysrq: older gnome version
[04:28] <pauliukas> thundrcleeze, oh...
[04:28] <sysrq> crimsun: and?
[04:28] <synd> dazed|: samba
[04:28] <crimsun> sysrq: and not what he thinks he wants.
[04:29] <montana_> casimir: thanks, that one worked
[04:29] <dazed|> samba is an ftp program?
[04:29] <synd> believe so?
[04:29] <sysrq> crimsun: he asked for gnome-config, gnome2 doesnt provide it
[04:29] <dazed|> i believe samba is windows networking
[04:29] <dazed|> not ftp
[04:29] <crimsun> sysrq: that's the point daniels and I are making
[04:29] <John__> so I've come to the conclusion that Eric Clapton is Gordon Freeman
[04:29] <hay> samba is used to create shared folders so windows computers can access them, and vice versa
[04:31] <smouche> and if you just want, say, a linux box to access a windows share, but not vice-versa, you don't need the full Samba package; just the smb-client, I think...
[04:31] <hay> smbfs
[04:31] <membreya> so who here knows python/qt? :P
[04:32] <geneo93> samba-common also
[04:32] <dazed|> so anyone know a good ftp program?
[04:32] <hay> client or server
[04:32] <PacoBCN> gftp, dazed|
[04:33] <geneo93> gftp
[04:33] <dazed|> ahh thanks
[04:33] <synd> how can i add some radio stations to Music Player
[04:33] <synd> ?
[04:33] <christian_> When people say free as in beer, is it just a rhyme or is there free beer...if so where is it?
[04:33] <PacoBCN> synd, try streamtuner, you'll find hundreds
[04:33] <synd> PacoBCN: where? apt-get?
[04:33] <PacoBCN> synd, yes
[04:34] <geneo93> dazed|:  if you have kde there is kbear
[04:34] <xf_> question; the RC ISO's, have they been updated at all in the last 2 weeks or so?
[04:34] <synd> PacoBCN: gotcha, thanks bud
[04:34] <christian_> apt-get install free.beer-1.10-1?
[04:34] <dazed|> neg on the kde gnome all da way lol
[04:34] <xf_> and, wasn't hoary due for release a few days ago, or am i getting confused?
[04:34] <synd> xf_: yes
[04:34] <PacoBCN> synd, no problem and enjoy it
[04:34] <synd> xf_: today, actually. and now its due on the 8th
[04:34] <xf_> oh, right, what's the hold up?
[04:35] <xf_> just, i'm about to do another  hoary install, i'd like to avoid needing to download 300mb or so of packages _again_ if i can just download a later ISO :)
[04:35] <synd> xf_: you'd have to ask the devs :P
[04:35] <xf_> are methods of building iso's such as jidgo supported?
[04:35] <synd> xf_: just wait til friday
[04:35] <xf_> but, but, i want to install it now! :p
[04:36] <membreya> noone here can help with python/qt? I'm just trying to use scons to configure a program and it's saying QT not found
[04:36] <synd> lol
[04:37] <Pluk> membreya, you prolly need libqt3-dev
[04:37] <Pluk> or libqt3-mt-dev
[04:37] <membreya> Pluk: tried em both :(
[04:38] <flodine> help guy my mplayer wont play avi files do i need a file for it?
[04:38] <flodine> holla back
[04:40] <synd> Failed to execute child process "xmms" (no such file or directory).
[04:41] <synd> apt-get install xmms ?
[04:42] <synd> ??
[04:43] <synd> i get the error "Failed to execute child process "xmms" (no such file or directory)."
[04:44] <synd> how do i fix? apt-get install xmms ??
[04:44] <jldugger> that is a wierd error
[04:44] <jldugger> how'd you accomplish that?
[04:44] <synd> jldugger: trying to play a stream in streamtuner
[04:44] <jldugger> ah
[04:44] <synd> any idea?
[04:45] <jldugger> yea, xmms is the name of the program
[04:45] <blahrus> use beep-media-player
[04:45] <Jazon> hello
[04:45] <Jazon> how is everyone tonight?
[04:45] <Whiffle> synd, sounds like you need to install xmms..
[04:46] <synd> Whiffle: doing that now.. hope so!
[04:46] <xMaximex> is there a way to install iTouch for logitech media keyboard ?
[04:46] <Whiffle> should work,
[04:46] <xMaximex> to get the volume key works
[04:46] <membreya> how do I tell if I have QT installed? :|
[04:46] <blahrus> anyone know how to build transcode from source because it is not in the amd64 tree
[04:46] <Whiffle> xMaximex, hotkeys
[04:46] <christian_> is beagle available for hoary?
[04:47] <xMaximex> Whiffle, thanks
[04:47] <Jazon> can anyone tell me if ubuntu will work with my HP Media Center m1080n ???  Fedora Core 3 is REALLY difficult...
[04:49] <thundrcleeze> How does Knoppix work, Jazon?
[04:49] <xMaximex> cool, that work
[04:49] <Jazon> not well at all - it stretches off of the screen.... can't really use it
[04:51] <smouche> Does anyone know if mono apps work with kde?  I installed mono, but I couldn't get Tomboy or Muine to work
[04:53] <synd> is it me or does xmms look extremely like winamp
[04:53] <Whiffle> lmao
[04:53] <Whiffle> yes.
[04:53] <Whiffle> it can use the same skins
[04:53] <synd> is this a coincidence.. ?
[04:53] <Whiffle> i doubt it
[04:53] <synd> same people make it?
[04:53] <Whiffle> but there isn't a winamp version for linux
[04:54] <synd> well, of course
[04:54] <Whiffle> im not sure
[04:54] <synd> it'd be called linamp :p
[04:54] <Whiffle> lol
[04:54] <chibifs> Or beep-media-player? :D
[04:54] <synd> hah
[04:55] <chibifs> Because XMMS smells old, like GTK 1.x
[04:55] <chibifs> :P
[04:55] <Whiffle> yeah i use xfmedia
[04:55] <synd> beep media player?
[04:55] <smouche> synd, are you talking about stream-tuner --?  It works with totem if you have that.
[04:55] <synd> smouche: yeah, but when i click Tune In, it wants to use xmms
[04:56] <smouche> you can change that
[04:56] <smouche> Just click edit-prefs- applications in stream tuner
[04:56] <synd> im ok with xmms though, it reminds me of the FEW things i use to like on windows
[04:56] <Whiffle> synd, edit ~/.streamtuner/config
[04:56] <Whiffle> or be crazy and use the gui lol
[04:57] <smouche> I always disliked winamp myself, so, heh heh, xmms reminds me too much of windows! ;-)
[04:57] <cycom> why does apt-get kernel-source only have the sources for 2.6.9, and not for 2.6.10
[04:57] <synd> Whiffle: GUI? who uses those?!
[04:58] <Whiffle> synd, not me!  i came from gentoo :D
[04:58] <cycom> mmm...gentubuntu
[04:58] <synd> Whiffle: i use Matrix-encoded prompt. yes, i can read vertically scrolling matrix code
[04:58] <Whiffle> whazzat cycom ?
[04:58] <Whiffle> lol
[04:58] <synd> haha
[04:59] <ryman> do you guys have sound on Hoary ?
[04:59] <flodine> need help with mplayer wont play movies
[04:59] <Whiffle> ryman, yes
[04:59] <montana_> ryman, sure do
[04:59] <auto> no sound problems here
[04:59] <Nekohayo> ryman, yep yep
[04:59] <ryman> I don't have any sound on Hoary. my sound card is Creative 2zs
[04:59] <xMaximex> why beep is better than xmms ?
[04:59] <Nekohayo> ryman, unplug your USB webcam :)
[04:59] <Nekohayo> XD
[04:59] <ryman> can someone help me with the sound ? I'm new to linux
[04:59] <smouche> hey, synd, this streamtuner is awesome!  I just set it to work with xine-ui -- even better!
[04:59] <ryman> Nekohayo, I dont have USB webcam
[05:00] <Whiffle> yeah streamtuner rocks
[05:00] <Nekohayo> oh well too bad, I was guessing
[05:00] <cycom> but yeah, what the heck? I can't get kernel-source-2.6.10
[05:00] <montana_> lol, thats what was wrong with my sound, tried to output sound to my usb camera
[05:00] <Nekohayo> montana_, everyone I've seen with a logitech webcam couldn't get sound XD
[05:00] <cycom> hehe. microphone speaker
[05:01] <synd> smouche: nice!
[05:02] <sunpascal> hey, anyone know how to uncompress 7z files in ubuntu?
[05:02] <synd> smouche: i have xine too lol why did i bother with xmms?!
[05:02] <smouche> It just amazes me how well my laptop soundcard (nvidia I think) is working with kubuntu; and I even have decent speakers on here...
[05:02] <cef> ok, anyone with kernel skills want to suggest where to start in getting DMA working on an AMD 8111 IDE chipset? hdparm simply reports "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted" if I try enable DMA
[05:02] <synd> smouche: me too. im on this old school toshiba p3 600mhz
[05:03] <synd> laptop at that
[05:03] <Rene_S> Yikes, Ubuntu looks a tad rusty
[05:03] <Whiffle> linux likes my computer
[05:03] <Whiffle> windows hates it
[05:03] <nasboy> Is anybody else having problems with rhythmbox importing files?
[05:04] <synd> i think windows hates everything
[05:04] <Nekohayo> ryman, you don't get any sound, any at all? do you have an onboard sound card too?
[05:04] <smouche> This "Xiph" thing ion streamtuner is great, never heard of it -- Live365 takes forever to load, though.
[05:04] <Whiffle> probably
[05:04] <cef> sunpascal: p7zip, .. it's on sourceforge or downloadable from http://www.7-zip.org/
[05:04] <montana_> anyone know why warcraft 3 would think i have windows 95 installed when i have the latest cvswine?
[05:04] <Nekohayo> ryman, if you got an onboard sound card, deactivate it from bios
[05:04] <synd> smouche: i like the shoutcast ones
[05:04] <synd> smouche: winamp baby! : )
[05:05] <PacoBCN> if you want some good streaming radios check somafm.com
[05:05] <msh_> hi
[05:05] <ryman> Nekohayo, i have i have onboard soundcard
[05:05] <msh_> coudl someone help me with ubuntu's init process?
[05:05] <Whiffle> msh_, whats it doing?
[05:05] <ryman> let me try to deactive it
[05:05] <msh_> well
[05:05] <Nekohayo> good luck ryman
[05:05] <Whiffle> yeah try and deactiveate the onboard, mine was giving me trouble too
[05:05] <msh_> its not doing anythign wrong
[05:06] <msh_> its just that im used to slackware
[05:06] <ryman> Nekohayo, thanks
[05:06] <msh_> and this is different
[05:06] <smouche> I'm getting addicted to full-screen visualizations-- I think 64 mb dedicated video memory must be helping there-- very smooth
[05:06] <cef> sunpascal: there is also an experimental debian package you could try out (should work in this case). hold a sec
[05:06] <cycom> dammit. why can't I get the 2.6.10 sources?!
[05:06] <msh_> like
[05:06] <smouche> I used to dismiss that stuff before, always turned it off
[05:06] <msh_> i want it to boot to console, and then i log in and startx
[05:06] <Whiffle> ah
[05:06] <msh_> but it seems to have a scritp in rc.d that starts gdm
[05:06] <sunpascal> cef, does it work with file roller?
[05:07] <nasboy> Is anybody else having problems with rhythmbox importing files?
[05:07] <Whiffle> msh_, sudo update-rc.d remove gdm default
[05:07] <Whiffle> should do it i think
[05:07] <Pol> hello :)
[05:07] <Whiffle> maybe not..
[05:07] <msh_> kzetts@ubuntu:~ $ sudo update-rc.d remove gdm default
[05:07] <msh_> Password:
[05:07] <msh_> update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/remove: file does not exist
[05:07] <msh_> kzetts@ubuntu:~ $
[05:07] <Pol> is it possible to install Ubuntu with only a live CD ?
[05:07] <Whiffle> yeah im trying to remember which one it is
[05:08] <synd> msh_: please, goto #flood if you need to paste a few lines
[05:08] <etzerd> hello room
[05:08] <msh_> hey synd, go to #gofuckyourself
[05:08] <synd> smouche: haha!
[05:08] <msh_> anyways
[05:08] <cef> sunpascal: no idea.. I'd doubt it... command line interface
[05:08] <sysrq> msh_: update-rc.d gdm remove
[05:08] <msh_> k
[05:08] <sysrq> msh_: and next time, change the man page
[05:08] <sysrq> *check
[05:08] <etzerd> is peck here tonight?
[05:08] <Whiffle> ok  here we go
[05:08] <cef> sunpascal: but you never know.. you may be able to teach fileroller to use it somehow
[05:08] <Whiffle> sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[05:08] <Whiffle> should do it
[05:08] <smouche> I'm really impressed with these, what are they called, goob? visualizations.
[05:08] <msh_> kyup
[05:08] <msh_> just did it
[05:09] <sunpascal> ok, thanks cef
[05:09] <msh_> also
[05:09] <etzerd> can someone tell me how to install real player in ubuntu?
[05:09] <Whiffle> now i need to figure out how to re-add it lol
[05:09] <msh_> si there anyway to install xorg instead of xfree?
[05:09] <msh_> eh
[05:09] <msh_> ill just remove em in synaptic
[05:09] <Whiffle> msh_, xorg comes with hoary
[05:09] <msh_> then compile xorg formsource
[05:10] <msh_> hoary sint released as stable yet
[05:10] <Whiffle> bah
[05:10] <Whiffle> oh well
[05:10] <Whiffle> lol
[05:10] <Whiffle> it will be in a couple days
[05:10] <msh_> oh ya?
[05:10] <msh_> when?
[05:10] <Whiffle> 8th i think
[05:10] <msh_> wow
[05:10] <msh_> k
[05:10] <etzerd> ?
[05:10] <msh_> today is 6th?
[05:10] <smouche> etzerd, unless you're using the 64 bit distro, the instructions on www.ubuntuguide.com for installing RealPlayer will work
[05:10] <cef> sunpascal: here's the i386 deb: http://http.us.debian.org/pub/debian/pool/main/p/p7zip/p7zip_4.14.01-1_i386.deb
[05:10] <Nekohayo> anybody knows a blog / news site that relates only to Xorg stuff?
[05:11] <etzerd> ok let me check the web site
[05:12] <jnc> Nekohayo: i think there are some, ask in #freedesktop
[05:12] <Nekohayo> thanks jnc
[05:13] <Xeon3D> does anyone have sound on embebbed flash movies? (Firefox)
[05:14] <Whiffle> i think so
[05:14] <Xeon3D> I don't.
[05:14] <montana_> yup, watching some right now on newgrounds
[05:14] <Xeon3D> man.. I am watching stuff on NG as well.
[05:14] <Xeon3D> but I get no sound!
[05:14] <Xeon3D> :(
[05:14] <jnc> Xeon3D: amd64 here, i'm lucky if i get flashed at a bar
[05:14] <Whiffle> yep they work for me too..
[05:14] <synd> how can i pull whats playing in my xmms and store it as a string so i can maybe put it as a status thing on gaim?
[05:14] <Xeon3D> what shuld I do...
[05:15] <Xeon3D> synd, check for gaim plugins... I'm sure there's one for that.
[05:15] <Whiffle> synd, xmms-infopipe does that, and theres a gaim plugin to do it
[05:15] <Xeon3D> montana_, why the question?
[05:15] <synd> good deal
[05:15] <synd> is xmms infopipe in apt-get?
[05:15] <jnc> synd:  there's a gaim plugin for rhythmbox
[05:16] <Xeon3D> I'm gonna try and reinstall the flash plugin...
[05:16] <jnc> synd: apt-cache search infopipe
[05:16] <plagerism> Is it possible to use the fglrx driver(with tv out) to create two dependant displays? Or is a single dual head display the best I am gonna get??
[05:16] <plagerism> independent I mean
[05:16] <plagerism> t
[05:17] <smouche> synd, what's a "status thing"  on gaim-- ?
[05:17] <etzerd> Snouche: the address www.ubuntuguide.com does not exist.
[05:17] <cef> ok, anyone with kernel skills want to suggest how to get DMA working on an AMD 8111 IDE chipset? hdparm simply reports "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted" if I try to enable DMA
[05:17] <smouche> sorry etzerd, let me check...
[05:17] <smouche> hang one
[05:17] <smouche> on
[05:17] <synd> smouche: away message, user info
[05:17] <Whiffle> man I am so glad I saved my hotkeys config from gentoo..
[05:18] <smouche> my bad, etzerd, that's www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:18] <etzerd> Thanks
[05:18] <smouche> ah, synd-- I see- but you mean you just want to display the url of what you're listening to ...?
[05:19] <synd> smouche: kinda, and id like for it to display what's playing
[05:19] <synd> smouche: some internet radio sites send the info of whats playing and some dont
[05:19] <calc> hmm less than 48hr until hoary is declared erm stable yea ;)
[05:20] <flodine> do we have to download a new then
[05:20] <synd> i love proton radio
[05:20] <synd> flodine: yes
[05:20] <Whiffle> im jsut going to update..
[05:20] <flodine> cool
[05:21] <montana_> synd: we cant just update?
[05:21] <synd> montana_: yes
[05:21] <synd> thats what i meant
[05:21] <montana_> okay, phew
[05:21] <smouche> synd, maybe you can help me with this:  when I click on those streamtuner stations, xmms, or totem or whatever plays the stream, but what I want is streams to queau up in the playlist--
[05:21] <synd> if youre up to date now, then it shouldnt be much of an upgrade i dont think
[05:21] <synd> smouche: hmm.. i see what youre saying.
[05:21] <smouche> I can't get them to do that-- they just replace the previous streams.  The bookmarks are ok in streamtuner, but I really want to save a playlist
[05:22] <jsgotangco> you have to update early *grin*
[05:22] <jsgotangco> but then
[05:22] <jsgotangco> we will probably have gnome 2.10.1
[05:22] <jsgotangco> so that would be hefty yes
[05:22] <smouche> the current application command is "totem %q" (or xmms %q) -- I don't know what the q is for, or if there's another string I should try to have stuff just apended to the playlist...
[05:23] <cef> *sigh*
[05:23] <nullaresnata> Hello all, just a question. What are the yast/drake utils equivalent on ubuntu (if any)?
[05:23] <synd> smouche: i think you may have to manually add it
[05:23] <synd> smouche: i think q is for queue
[05:24] <jsgotangco> there are none
[05:24] <jsgotangco> ubuntu uses the gnome admin tools
[05:24] <nullaresnata> Ah.
[05:24] <nullaresnata> Thanks.
[05:24] <synd> smouche: i wonder if you can replace it with another string that queues to the end of the current playlist
[05:24] <nullaresnata> That should do the trick.
[05:24] <jsgotangco> the only ubuntu specific app at the moment is Ubuntu Update Manager which is a frontend of a frontend
[05:24] <smouche> synd, exactly.  That's what I need...
[05:25] <jsgotangco> but there are some python stuff thats ubuntu specific as well
[05:25] <nullaresnata> Noticed that on the live cd.
[05:25] <nullaresnata> the frontend to the frontend ;) good point.
[05:25] <cartel_> anyone use citrix ica?
[05:25] <daniels> cef: for me, it was module load order; ide-generic was getting loaded but not ide-ck804 or whatever it is
[05:25] <smouche> guess I'll google it... I never liked winamp, er xmms playlists!  in windows I use foobar2000 -- open source and awesome
[05:26] <jsgotangco> Ubuntu Update Manager is a simplified synaptic in which synaptic is a gui for apt
[05:26] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[05:26] <nullified> obento reformatt my computar!
[05:26] <nullified> just kidding.
[05:26] <synd> smouche: i cant find anything
[05:26] <jsgotangco> obento?
[05:26] <synd> smouche: in the help file