[00:00] <sergio__> and ctrl 1,9, and 0 work but no other numbers? i might have to peek at that code later to see what kind of mess is going on
[00:21] <Omega> sergio__: did you report it?
[00:25] <nhaines> sergio__: Ctrl-I is a tab character.
[00:25] <nhaines> I don't know what Ctrl-J is.
[00:25] <sergio__> i see
[00:26] <sergio__> yOmega im submitting now, got sidetracked
[00:26] <nhaines> Oh, used to be linefeed.
[00:27] <sergio__> funny, i may be retarded but I can't seem to press the printscreen button with the launcher up
[00:29] <Omega> That is correct.
[00:29] <sergio__> damn
[00:29] <Omega> (meaning, I can't either)
[00:29] <sergio__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/759290
[00:30] <Omega> You should file that as a separate bug
[00:33] <sergio__> its probably's taking control of screen input, so maybe the fix will bubble those things through.
[01:03] <hicham> firefox window doesn't seem to be matched correctly
[02:03] <Omega> hicham: Hmm?
[02:05] <Omega> Here's someone reviewing 11.04: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaLDMz_e2jQ
[02:18] <hicham> Omega: I get one icon per firefox window on the dash
[02:19] <hicham> Omega: so the firefox window isn't matched correctly, unlike the other apps who have only one icon on the dash, no matter how many windows are open
[02:24] <Omega> Hmm, that's a bamf bug then.
[02:27] <hicham> yeah
[02:27] <hicham> you don't have that issue ?
[02:28] <Omega> Nope
[02:29] <hicham> weird
[02:29] <hicham> either firefox or bamf is patch in ubuntu then
[02:29] <hicham> *patched
[02:29] <Omega> firefox isn't patched in ubuntu, that's for sure
[02:29] <Omega> File a bamf bug.
[02:30] <hicham> ok
[02:30] <hicham> other apps work fine from what I can see
[02:30] <hicham> I am gonna finish building the whole stack then report bugs
[02:30] <hicham> thanks
[02:34] <Omega> alright
[03:00] <PASJR> Can anyone tell me how do I change the background on the launcher?  I changed the image files I could find, but still have the same black launcer.
[03:03] <pasjr_> Can anyone tell me how do I change the background on the launcher?  I changed the image files I could find, but still have the same black launcer.
[03:05] <RAOF> pasjr_: As far as I'm aware it's not (yet) possible.
[03:06] <pasjr_> Well that really is not cool.
[03:06] <pasjr_> It may be time to leave Ubuntu
[03:09] <jbicha> I expect it will be themeable for natty+1
[03:12] <RAOF> Maybe.  It's a rather inoffensive matte black bar; the titlebar and such follow the GTK themes.
[03:35] <floorian> where is the best place to leave feedback on Unity?
[06:59] <smspillaz|z> nerochiaro: pong, but I'm going to be out in a few minutes
[07:44] <didrocks> good morning
[07:46] <didrocks> RAOF: hey, any hint on the X freeze since yesterday?
[07:46] <RAOF> Ggggrrrargh?
[07:47] <RAOF> I've got some small testcases which *don't* reproduce the problem :/
[07:47] <didrocks> urgh :/
[07:47] <RAOF> Also, compiz for some reason seems to segfault when run under X trace.
[07:48] <RAOF> So I'm going to attach gdb to compiz and X and watch their communication *that* way.
[07:48] <RAOF> That's a bit more hairy, though.
[07:48] <didrocks> hum, sounds fun! :)
[07:49] <RAOF> It's like three *whole* barells of monkeys!
[07:49] <RAOF> Thrown, using a trebuchet, across a *cravasse of fire* into a tarpit of weasels!
[07:50] <didrocks> heh, that sentence can be directly attribute to Monkey Island I won't be surprised :)
[08:01] <oSoMoN> v
[08:01] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:03] <didrocks> RAOF: you fixed bug #758307
[08:03] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[08:04] <RAOF> didrocks: No, that was smspillaz|z, wasn't it?
[08:04] <didrocks> oh assignee: nobody → Chris Halse Rogers (raof)
[08:05] <didrocks> but yeah, it's Rick :)
[08:05] <RAOF> :)
[08:05] <MacSlow> greetings everybody
[08:06] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, hey MacSlow
[08:06] <didrocks> smspillaz|z: ^^
[08:06] <didrocks> Guten Morgen MacSlow
[08:06] <MacSlow> salut didrocks
[08:06] <MacSlow> hey oSoMoN, smspillaz|z
[08:16] <elricl> hello
[08:16] <elricl> I just upgraded my natty after a long time and it crashed during boot.
[08:16] <elricl> It said unable to mount /
[08:17] <elricl> Wait or skip mount
[08:32] <elricl> Anyone?
[08:52] <elricl> Anyone?
[08:58] <didrocks> RAOF: maybe bug #750775 can help you triggering the issue?
[08:59] <dbarth> elricl: hi, what's up?
[08:59] <elricl> dbarth: as i said after the upgrade natty wont boot
[09:00] <elricl> dbarth: during the ubuntu plymouth screen it says, cant boot /
[09:03] <elricl> njpatel: a little help? After upgrade natty stops at plymouth screen,says it cant mount / and goes to a maintainence shell
[09:04] <njpatel> elricl, :/ I can't really help with that dude, I think you need to try #ubuntu-desktop
[09:04] <elricl> njpatel: ok. thanx
[09:19] <TheMuso> elricl: Actually, #ubuntu+1 would be a better channel for your query.
[09:57] <jbache> any unity 2d devs in here
[09:58] <jbache> ?
[09:59]  * jbache would be happy to help out with gtk2 theming
[10:03] <cdbs> seb128: ping, it appears Apport isn't picking up crash reports when Unity/Compiz crashes
[10:04] <seb128> cdbs, hi, how do we receive all those crash bugs on launchpad then?
[10:05] <cdbs> seb128: I myself am confused
[10:05] <cdbs> seb128: but for some reason the crash files aren't coming up there
[10:05] <seb128> where is "there"?
[10:05] <cdbs> seb128: Not just me, many others are also experiencing similar things
[10:05] <cdbs> seb128: /var/crash
[10:05] <seb128> you are sure it's crashing?
[10:05] <seb128> do you get anything in that dir?
[10:05] <cdbs> seb128: yeah, segfault
[10:06] <cdbs> seb128: nope
[10:06] <seb128> is apport enabled?
[10:06] <cdbs> seb128: yeah
[10:06] <seb128> can does status apport says?
[10:06] <cdbs> apport start/running
[10:06] <cdbs> seb128: ^
[10:06] <seb128> can you check apport.log?
[10:07] <seb128> or pastebin it
[10:07] <cdbs> seb128: empty
[10:07] <seb128> then apport.log.1
[10:08] <hicham> morning didrocks
[10:08] <cdbs> seb128: okay, that makes sense:
[10:08] <cdbs> seb128: ERROR: apport (pid 3714) Tue Apr 12 15:54:51 2011: this executable already crashed 2 times, ignoring
[10:09] <cdbs> Old compiz crash files are lying there alredy
[10:09] <cdbs> *already
[10:09] <seb128> cdbs, right, you need to clean the old crashes
[10:09] <cdbs> sudo rm -r /var/crash
[10:09] <cdbs> oops, wrong window
[10:10] <cdbs> seb128: thanks for the info then
[10:10] <cdbs> I thought it should overwrite the old crashes
[10:10] <seb128> cdbs, it's doing that to avoid spamming you with apport dialogs if a service keeps crashing and restarting for example
[10:10] <didrocks> hey hicham
[10:10] <cdbs> seb128: AFAIK it used to do that in the Maverick cycle
[10:10] <hicham> didrocks: unity finally works here
[10:10] <cdbs> dbarth: ^ problem solution found
[10:10] <seb128> cdbs, no, it has a counter in the .crash
[10:10] <didrocks> hicham: nice! what was the cause of the touch crash?
[10:10] <seb128> cdbs, it clean those after a delay
[10:11] <cdbs> hmm
[10:12] <hicham> didrocks: it seems that it was supposing that xi2.1 support was there, while it itsn't
[10:12] <didrocks> hicham: oh ok ;)
[10:12] <hicham> didrocks: removing the crashing code from utouch-geis made it work
[10:12] <didrocks> cool :)
[10:12] <hicham> didrocks: now I am trying to build the indicators
[10:13] <didrocks> hicham: good luck! that's another big piece :)
[10:15] <hicham> didrocks: as a side note, vala bindings generation fails when using gtk2
[10:15] <hicham> didrocks: the work fine for gtk3 bindings
[10:16] <didrocks> hicham: yeah, we got a lot of headache with this since maverick, hence the fact we export them ourself
[10:24] <hicham> didrocks: so to install an indicator, I just have to build/install it ? no other step needed ?
[10:25] <didrocks> hicham: we have patches for some applications to get the indicator integration
[10:25] <didrocks> hicham: talk to kenvandine when he's back, he's in charge of the integration of them
[10:26] <hicham> didrocks: thanks
[10:42] <zniavre> good morning
[10:43] <zniavre> i asked few days ago how to change the color of small blue triangle when apps requires attention (im color-blind blue is un-visible for me)
[10:52] <jbache> are there current plans for using gtk3 with unity?
[10:52] <didrocks> zniavre: it's currently hardcoded though :/ would you mind opening a bug and post it there? We can ask design to have a look at how it should be handled (it should impact the indicator messaging menu color as well)
[11:02] <hicham> didrocks: the search function doesn't work yet ? ( in what replace traditional gnome menu )
[11:02] <didrocks> hicham: do you have unity-place-applications and unity-place-files installed?
[11:02] <hicham> didrocks: not yet
[11:03] <didrocks> you need them for the search
[11:10] <hicham> didrocks: thanks, how do you start the unity session ? I created two files in /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions and /usr/share/xsessions
[11:10] <hicham> didrocks: but I still don't see how to default to unity (example, for building a live cd )
[11:12] <didrocks> hicham: we are using compiz profiles for that
[11:12] <didrocks> hicham: look in an ubuntu box at /etc/compizconfig/
[11:12] <hicham> didrocks: is there a package for that ?
[11:12] <didrocks> hicham: and /etc/X11/Xsession.d/65compiz_profile-on-session
[11:13] <didrocks> hicham: it's in the ubuntu compiz package
[11:13] <hicham> didrocks: and the session/desktop files are in compiz package too?
[11:13] <didrocks> hicham: we basically activate a gconf profile which sets the unityshell plugin by default
[11:14] <didrocks> hicham: the sessions are in gnome-session
[11:16] <hicham> didrocks: so compiz should be using the gconf backend ?
[11:16] <hicham> didrocks: instead of the default ccp one
[11:16] <didrocks> hicham: instead of init you mean
[11:16] <didrocks> (ccp load init or gconf)
[11:17] <didrocks> hicham: just create a compiz profile init or gconf with unityshell by default in it
[11:17] <didrocks> hicham: we choosed gconf for natty
[11:20] <zniavre> didrocks,  i already changed the messaging menu icons  i ll fill report this afternoon thank you
[11:21] <didrocks> zniavre: thanks to you :)
[11:22] <hicham> didrocks: which package provides unity.pc file ?
[11:23] <didrocks> hicham: libunity, it's a binding that application can implement to interact with the launcher
[11:23] <didrocks> like setting progress bar, icon urgency
[11:23] <hicham> didrocks: thanks, I am sorry if I am asking too much questions
[11:24] <didrocks> hicham: no worry, I may not be so responsive every time though :-)
[11:32] <dbarth> jbache: hi; you should ping Kaleo or agateau for example (well, they're pinged now ;)
[11:33] <jbache> dbarth: Thanks. I just pinged kaleo
[11:46] <agateau> dbarth: jbache: what is the question?
[11:48] <jbache> agateau: I am wondering about theming integration. Since I already do something similar with qml and gtk.
[11:49] <jbache> agateau: also plans with regards to scenegraph etc. You already support translucency so why no drop shadows?
[11:50] <jbache> agateau: some context http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/10/qml-components-for-desktop/
[11:50] <jbache> agateau: also if you need any specific things from qt qt the moment
[11:53] <agateau> jbache: primary target for unity-2d was machine without much gfx power so we did not spend too much time on adding visual effects
[11:54] <agateau> jbache: about needing something from qt, yes we need review for this:
[11:54] <agateau> jbache: https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointOne/Features/ApplicationMenu
[11:54] <agateau> oups
[11:54] <agateau> wrong url :)
[11:54] <jbache> agateau: hehe
[11:54] <agateau> jbache: https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/merge_requests/916/
[11:55] <jbache> agateau: I'll see what I can do
[11:56] <jbache> agateau: are there any valid technical reason why you couldnt essentially use qml for unity itself?
[11:58] <agateau> jbache: unity-3d you mean?
[12:01] <jbache> agateau: yes
[12:01] <jbache> agateau: it seems rather simple to extend it to support those graphical effects
[12:02] <agateau> jbache: i'd let dbarth answer this one
[12:05]  * jbache senses it is not the first time the question came up
[12:55] <lucazade> ping om26er ... i've updated bug 696427 because I still get it
[13:06] <zniavre> didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/759719    (sorry for english )
[13:06] <hicham> didrocks: I installed unity-places-applications and now I can find my applications :)
[13:08] <didrocks> hicham: nice :)
[13:08] <didrocks> zniavre: I'm adding some design task so that designers can have a look
[13:08] <zniavre> thank you
[13:09] <didrocks> zniavre: no worry on the english btw, it's better than mine :)
[13:14] <zniavre> :o)
[13:18] <AnAnt> Hello, how can I add software categories in Unity's application browser ? I've got extra-xdg-menus installed , yet I don't see the Electronics category for example
[13:24] <hicham> didrocks: it would have been nice to have mono as optional build dep, instead of hard-depending on it :(
[13:25] <didrocks> hicham: mono is a theme name
[13:26] <hicham> didrocks: no, i mean mono (.Net clone)
[13:26] <didrocks> hicham: where is it a dep?
[13:27] <hicham> didrocks: libappindicator for example ( it is only a build dep, not a runtime dep)
[13:27] <didrocks> hicham: well, indicator is for kenvandine and tedg
[13:28] <didrocks> I think it's for generating some mono bindings
[13:29] <hicham> didrocks: what part do you develop ?
[13:29] <didrocks> hicham: unity itself
[13:30] <hicham> didrocks: thanks for the great job !
[13:30] <didrocks> yw, all the team does :)
[13:31] <hicham> I hope unity will get into fedora sometime
[13:31] <hicham> there is no real blocker for now
[13:32] <hicham> I am surprised by how big it is
[13:32] <hicham> I have installed 12 packages now for basic functionality
[13:34] <didrocks> hicham: yeah, it's very modular
[15:10] <hicham> didrocks: how can I load newly installed indicators without restarting unity ?
[15:10] <didrocks> hicham: you can't right now unfortunately
[15:15] <AnAnt> am I asking in the right place ?
[15:17] <mirac> hello
[15:18] <mirac> I liked the interface naty
[15:18] <mirac> Ubuntu how can I support  ?
[15:19] <mirac> Ubuntu how can I support  ?
[15:36] <aquarius> RAOF, ping?
[15:37] <aquarius> ah, man, RAOF's in australia, isn't he?
[16:03] <hicham> didrocks: where ubuntu_gtk_widget_set_has_grab is defined ?
[16:08] <didrocks> hicham: it's a gtk patch (backported from gtk3.0)
[16:28] <hicham> didrocks: bad news, indicator-datetime won't work in fedora
[18:47] <hicham> indicator-datetime works
[18:47] <hicham> but I can't seem to bet the menu on the panel
[18:52] <henridv> hi all
[18:53] <henridv> I'm new to unity hacking, and i'm looking on how to obtain the icon height in the launcher?
[19:26] <NateW> anyone from the design team around?
[19:29] <NateW> well, when an application is asking for attention. in the dash, the arrow turns blue showing that it needs attention.
[19:30] <NateW> that is way too subtle in some cases.
[19:30] <NateW> when im working, I usually don't wear my glasses and I have a 1920x1080 screen on a 15" laptop. this makes it almost impossible to tell which application is asking for attention
[19:31] <NateW> instead, the app icon in the launcher should pulsate or do some sort of animation to make it more distinguishable
[19:33] <nhaines> NateW: it does this for 1-2 seconds, then it turns blue after that.
[19:33] <Saamm> can someone help me out...I made a custom launcher and changed icon image...but unity only shows default custom launcher image :(
[19:34] <NateW> what turns blue? and also, the launcher is usually hidden because of a maximized window
[19:35] <NateW> rhaines: this is what it is like for me. launcher is hidden, a blue triangle appears at the top left, i reveal the launcher and then have to search for what application is asking for attention
[19:36] <nhaines> NateW: the little arrow turns blue.  When the launcher is hidden, the icon still slides out and shakes.
[19:36] <NateW> you shouldn't have to look for the application
[19:36] <NateW> it doesnt slide out here
[19:36] <nhaines> The easiest way to demonstrate this is to have Firefox in the background, then click on a hyperlink in another window.
[19:37] <jbicha> yes, I agree the blue arrow & the blue triangle are too small & subtle
[19:37] <NateW> nhaines: that works.. but as an example, i was using firefox, and when you sent a message through irc here, empathy didnt pop out and shake
[19:38] <nhaines> I wouldn't mind seeing a background color pulse similar to the fade-in and -out when you launch an app.
[19:38] <NateW> thats what i'd like
[19:38] <nhaines> NateW: that is by design in Empathy, I believe... the expected user behavior is to use the Messaging Menu.
[19:39] <NateW> the messaging icon didnt turn blue either
[19:39] <nhaines> I think applications can denote "notification" and "urgent notification" seperately.
[19:39] <NateW> but back to the point i was originally bringing up.. there should be a bigger effect in the launcher
[19:39] <NateW> such as the app backlight pulsing
[19:40] <nhaines> NateW: file a bug and post it here.  I'll chime in and confirm it.
[19:40] <NateW> sure.
[19:45] <NateW> Here is the bug. Hopefully it's straight forward enough: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/760103
[19:50] <NateW> nhaines: ^^
[19:54] <nhaines> NateW: thanks!
[19:56] <nhaines> NateW: now we'll see what happens.
[19:57] <NateW> nhaines: hopefully this gets fixed. it would make my life easier
[19:59] <nhaines> NateW: I hear you.  I'm campaigning for 740515 myself.
[19:59] <nhaines> Err, that's bug 740515.
[20:02] <NateW> that would also be nice
[20:03] <NateW> but i usually find myself using alt+f4 for exiting, and using the grid plugin for maximizing and i dont minimize
[20:03] <nhaines> I usually do Alt-Space, x to maxmize/unmaximize.
[20:04] <nhaines> But if I'm mousing around by the Application Menua anyway, it'd be nice.
[20:25] <kim0> Guys bug 750464 has been proposed for merging with bug 486154, but they don't seem the same to me
[20:26] <kim0> Unity by design doesn't handle xkb bell event .. while the old bug was about metacity having problems emitting a beep sound
[20:38] <Saamm> is there a way to minimize pulse time on unity launcher?
[20:41] <Saamm> I have dragged a custom launcher on unity launcher...once i click it, it keep on pulsating for 5 seconds so I cannot do two clicks in succession. How to solce this?
[23:48] <RAOF> aquarius: Correct!  00:36 is not a good time to get me :)
[23:59] <kais58> what would the equivelant of "gnome-session-save --logout" be for unity?


[00:00] <Wafficus> so where should I place my folder with the welcome center code
[00:00] <Wafficus> like you have it on phabricator as
[00:00] <Wafficus> "lubuntu-welcome-center"
[00:00] <Wafficus> mine is:
[00:00] <Wafficus> lubuntuWelcomeCenter
[00:00] <wxl> huh
[00:00] <Wafficus> aka a folder full of the necessary code
[00:00] <wxl> you did git clone whatever, right?
[00:00] <Wafficus> like I have both directories side by side in my "phabricator" folder
[00:00] <Wafficus> um yeah just the git clone command yes
[00:00] <Wafficus> so should I drag and drop my code into the "branches" folder?
[00:00] <wxl> so move the files from the one folder to the other one
[00:01] <Wafficus> yeah for sure
[00:01] <wxl> then add, commit, push
[00:01] <Wafficus> but its just a matter of where I should put them is what confused me for some reason
[00:01] <wxl> you
[00:01] <wxl> put
[00:01] <wxl> them
[00:01] <wxl> in
[00:01] <wxl> the
[00:01] <wxl> folder
[00:01] <Wafficus> that's it?
[00:01] <Wafficus> no branches?
[00:01] <wxl> don't sweat that for the time being
[00:01] <Wafficus> ok cool
[00:01] <Wafficus> just want to make sure
[00:01] <wxl> we can always move stuff around
[00:01] <Wafficus> don't want to screw it up for everyone else
[00:01] <Wafficus> great I'll try that real quick then
[00:01] <Wafficus> thanks for bearing with me
[00:01] <Wafficus> glad you're here hah
[00:01] <wxl> np
[00:02] <Wafficus> its super basic
[00:02] <Wafficus> but I have buttons laid out vertically so far
[00:02] <Wafficus> so obviously things will change
[00:02] <Wafficus> and we have to add actual functionality to it
[00:02] <Wafficus> but this is sort of the biggest qt project i've done so far haha so bear with me guys on the design (super simple)
[00:02] <Wafficus> anyway
[00:02] <wxl> keep at it. you're doing great!
[00:02] <Wafficus> i'll try that real quick
[00:04] <Steedalion> I've got 2 pull requests for documentation on github, will someone kindly merge when they have time. Thanks.
 I'll get it
[00:05] <wxl> we should work out a way to have github automatically create a arc diff
[00:05] <Wafficus> wxl: place it in the .git folder right wxl?
[00:06] <wxl> noooo
[00:06] <wxl> .git is a special folder
[00:06] <wxl> you want it in the containing folder
[00:06] <Wafficus> gotcha
[00:07] <Wafficus> ok so I just placed the files in there
[00:07] <Wafficus> gonna read your instructions
[00:07] <Wafficus> like not in the .git folder
[00:07] <Wafficus> just the lubuntu-welcome-center folder
[00:07] <Steedalion> I'll think I should learn the arc thing. It's unreasonable to expect the whole workflow to change for me. But github is more familiar and would break down some barriers for new controibutors.
[00:07] <Wafficus> git add, git commit, git push
[00:08] <Wafficus> hmm, so do I git add all of these files like "git add lubuntuWelcomeCenter.pro" for ex?
[00:08] <wxl> yeah
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[00:08] <wxl> or just do `git add -A` to add them all
[00:08] <Wafficus> cool I'll try that
[00:08] <Steedalion> Thanks.
[00:08] <wxl> or do `git commit -a` to commit and add at the same time
[00:08] <Steedalion> Thanks for merge.
[00:09] <Wafficus> what would you like for me to place in the git commit command?
[00:09] <wxl> but safer to add explicitly
[00:09] <Wafficus> thanks but too late ha, i did commit separately
[00:09] <wxl> whatever you think is reasonable
[00:09] <Wafficus> ok
[00:09] <Wafficus> I only ask cause I forget the styling guide from last time
[00:09] <wxl> "initial commit" is traditional, but it might be reasonable to say "initial commit of UI"
[00:09] <Wafficus> since this is isn't like patch specific
[00:09] <Wafficus> ok will do
[00:10] <wxl> we don't need to worry about packaging until we do XD
[00:10] <Wafficus> it keeps saying "Aborting commit due to empty commit message"
[00:10] <Wafficus> it opens up VIM
[00:10] <wxl> well duh
[00:10] <wxl> you need a commit *message*
[00:10] <wxl> i thought yuo said you used github XD
[00:11] <Wafficus> and then I just placed # Initial commit for UI
[00:11] <Wafficus> well
[00:11] <Wafficus> I use Github in the most noob way possible
[00:11] <Wafficus> like I prefer the GUI to just upload stuff and be done with it
[00:11] <wxl> don't prepend a # because that ignores what's after it
[00:11] <Wafficus> for some reason it gets complicated for me real quick, idk
[00:11] <wxl> ewwwwwwwwwww git UI
[00:11] <Wafficus> ah gotcha
[00:11] <Wafficus> well
[00:11] <wxl> that's worse than IRC on a UI
[00:11] <Wafficus> maybe I'm too much late 90s kid
[00:11] <Wafficus> TRUE that
[00:11] <Wafficus> i will agree
[00:11] <wxl> mmmmmm
[00:11] <wxl> maybe too much windows
[00:12] <Wafficus> but the concept of uploading files seems like a ftp server to me
[00:12] <Wafficus> just drag and drop lol
[00:12] <wxl> but that's not what git is
[00:12] <Wafficus> anyway I'll take out the comment and try that
[00:12] <wxl> it's not uploading files AT ALL
[00:12] <Wafficus> see this is why I'm still a noob at it tbh
 ❤
[00:12] <Wafficus> I understandt hat the git concept was Linus's idea though
[00:12] <Wafficus> to work on related kernel projects
[00:12] <wxl> version control wasn't
[00:13] <wxl> ultimately git has become the predominant tool for version control
 I don't know why I posted a heart...
[00:13] <wxl> and though purists will argue, there's very little difference between them
[00:13] <Wafficus> I tried git push
[00:13] <Wafficus> and it said requested URL returned error: 403
[00:13] <Wafficus> the commit did work though
[00:13] <wxl> ah
[00:13] <wxl> you used the https remote
[00:13] <wxl> that's the problems
[00:13] <Wafficus> ah I see
[00:13] <wxl> do `git remote remove origin`
[00:14] <Wafficus> is there any way I can add the https prefix to that part of the CLI?
[00:14] <Wafficus> ok i'll try that
[00:14] <wxl> then `git remote add origin whatever-the-ssh+git-uri-is`
[00:14] <Wafficus> ok i did that
[00:14] <wxl> then git push
[00:14] <Wafficus> gotcha i'll look that up on Phabricator now
[00:14] <Wafficus> thanks
 @TheWendyPower [I don't know why I posted a heart...], We all love git, it is ok.
 @kc2bez I jumped back into this thread and there a a beautiful ❤... And I don't remember doing that. But git awesome arc is nicer 😊
[00:16] <Wafficus> haha lol
[00:16] <Wafficus> got it: ssh://git@phab.lubuntu.me:2222/source/lubuntu-welcome-center.git
[00:17] <Wafficus> "fatal: The current branch master has no upstream branch. To push the current branch and set the remote as upstream, use git push --set-upstream origin master
[00:18] <wxl> follow the instructions
[00:18] <Wafficus> I did:
[00:18] <Wafficus> git remote add origin ssh://git@phab.lubuntu.me:2222/source/lubuntu-welcome-center.git
[00:18] <Wafficus> permission denied public key
[00:18] <Wafficus> weird
[00:18] <Wafficus> I just did: git push --set-upstream origin master
[00:18] <wxl> you probably don't have your ssh config set up correctly
[00:19] <Wafficus> the key on this comp is the same on phabricator and even on my own webhosting site too
[00:19] <Wafficus> dang
[00:19] <wxl> have something like the following in your ~/.ssh/config:
[00:19] <wxl> Host phab.lubuntu.me
[00:19] <wxl>   User git
[00:19] <Wafficus> it saying that: Permissions 0664 for 'home/sam/.ssh/id_rsa' are too open
[00:19] <wxl>   Port 2222
[00:19] <Wafficus> ok i'll look there
[00:19] <wxl>   IdentityFile /path/to/your/key
[00:19] <wxl> ok well that's a problem too
[00:20] <Wafficus> I'm in ~/.ssh but there's no config directory
[00:20] <Wafficus> I just have the "id_rsa" file and "known_hosts"
[00:20] <wxl> it's a file not a directory; create it if it's not there
[00:20] <wxl> oh
[00:21] <wxl> well
[00:21] <wxl> i guess that's the other thing
[00:21] <wxl> if you have id_rsa you proabbly don't need it
[00:21] <Wafficus> i'm screwed :/
[00:21] <wxl> the issue is likely the permissions
[00:21] <wxl> chmod 600 ~/.ssh/id_rsa
[00:22] <Wafficus> ok I did that
[00:22] <Wafficus> gonna go back in that git folder and try git push again
[00:22] <wxl> now `git push --set-upstream origin master`
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[00:23] <Wafficus> ok looks good
[00:23] <wxl> ^ you did it
[00:23] <Wafficus> sick :)
[00:23] <Wafficus> thanks man
[00:23] <wxl> np
[00:23] <wxl> thank you
[00:23] <Wafficus> weird question, but could you update the "how to" for new idiots like me with that
[00:23] <Wafficus> like its just a basic gui, and obviously buttons need to be made
[00:24] <wxl> hm?
[00:24] <Wafficus> I just literally brainstormed what i thought a user would want and just made buttons flush from top to bottom
[00:25] <Wafficus> for the Welcome Center
[00:25] <Wafficus> a news section, a submit bug button, look for icons / themes, etc
[00:25] <Wafficus> you'll see
[00:25] <Wafficus> I had to use a template from qtcreator as well
[00:25] <Wafficus> since I've been following the qt docs guide for beginners
[00:26] <wxl> i mean we don't have a how to at all
[00:26] <wxl> any more than we have a how to on how to use python
[00:29] <Steedalion> Does anyone have a guide on the arc, phab stuff?
[00:30] <Wafficus> wxl: well, more or less that contribution guide. just to include those git command ideas would be great
[00:30] <Wafficus> wxl: Either way, I'm gonna continue that qt guide for today
[00:30] <wxl> yeah well that's not something most people should have to do
[00:31] <Wafficus> wxl: you never know though, I see what you're saying, but just in case they wanna do dev stuff, make it easy you know
[00:31] <wxl> Steedalion: basically you git clone the repo using the urls on phabricator, do normal git stuff, instead of pushing, you arc diff. see the packaging tutorial
[00:32] <kc2bez> https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging-tutorial/
[00:32] <Wafficus> @TheWendyPower let me know what you think of that basic GUI i did. The buttons don't function yet, but I wanted the team's input of what should be even on that welcome screen
[00:32] <Wafficus> wxl: aha, so the packaging tutorial is the newbie section
[00:32] <Wafficus> that's what I was saying
[00:32] <Wafficus> even just to include it there would be great
[00:32] <wxl> it's the second for PACKAGING
[00:33] <wxl> not necessarily for writing brand new code which we do very little of
[00:33] <wxl> s/second/section/
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[00:35] <Steedalion> @wxl, wiki/packaging tutorial. Got it!
[00:35] <lynorian> That is for setting up arc which I still need to get in the manual
[00:35] <lynorian> I have the command to clone
[00:38] <Wafficus> gotcha
 @Wafficus I'll take a look when I get the computer back from my husband. During the research phase, one thing I want to put on/in the welcome is the ability to set up multiple monitors.
[00:42] <wxl[m]> Steedalion: not all of that is necessary. We need to rewrite that for manual contributions
[00:42] <Steedalion> Can I install arcanist using apt-get?
[00:43] <wxl[m]> Steedalion: supposedly @TheWendyPower is working on a video
[00:44] <wxl[m]> Steedalion: yes you can but I've only ever followed the instructions given so I'm not sure if that might not be problematic in some way
[00:45] <Steedalion> Yeah I am just lazy. I just hope it's not too old and going to cause issues. I'll test apt-get version and change if it gives problems.
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[00:46] <Steedalion> so do I just git add remote PHAB,  git pull PHAB, arc diff ?
[00:47] <lynorian> I haven't had problems with the manual for the repos version of phab
 @wxl @Steedalion I am making a video, my house has been loud with sick coughing kids.
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[01:04] <Steedalion> It's chilled. I the guide is good.
[01:04] <Steedalion> Do I need quilt for Docs?
 @TheWendyPower good idea about multiple monitors. Nice.
[01:11] <lynorian> Steedalion: no
 @Wafficus It would be super handy to get some of the "first thing" configurations out of the way at the welcome screen. Like, thanks for installing Lubuntu. Let's get some of this configuration crap out of the way!
 True
 I forgot about that tbh
 I thought about it more like a hub for other issues to check in on
 I forgot that it would be a section after install
 I thought of it akin to the updating packages section
 Good to clarify it
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[01:17] <Steedalion> @lynorian Okay so the guide is good. Got through it with no sweat. After you submit a commit for review, do you have to  merge it or does that happen automatically?
[01:18] <lynorian> I can merge it yeah if it is on phab
[01:18] <lynorian> yeah
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[01:24] <Steedalion> Okay @lynorian, I'm just testing. I did push but it requires review. How do I set reviewers?
[01:25] <lynorian> I can see that Steedalion
[01:26] <Steedalion> Okay, so that's how I'll do it from now on. @lynorian, did I forget anything?
[01:28] <Steedalion> Okay so the Phabricator is like social media git?
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[01:31] <teward> it's a software development collaboration suite.  :P
[01:31] <teward> git is a minor piece of that ;)
 @Wafficus ya, the welcome center will be the first thing users see on the first boot.
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 Ok, tried this in a clean install and worked
 Someone knows why lxqt is grabbing info from a file called .config/kdeglobals ???
 Welcome @TimApple!
 Good to have you here
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[05:29] <Steedalion> @lynorian arc diff'd
[05:29] <lynorian> ok
[05:35] <lynorian> nice screenshots
[05:37] <Steedalion> I hope I didn't over do it. It's just that chapter 1 is the install and I don't want to make it too intimidating for newbies.
[05:37] <Steedalion> @lynorian what do you think about adding an appendix for keyboard shortcuts?
[05:37] <lynorian> Steedalion: I have been thinking about that myself a bit but have not done it
[05:38] <lynorian> probably a good idea
[05:38] <Steedalion> I am hoping we can parse the .xml files and automate the process.
[05:39] <Steedalion> It may be too many commands to do by hand.
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[05:50] <lynorian> well some of them are in the screenshot I added of shortcut keys
[05:51] <lynorian> but for all applications yeah that would take a while
[06:03] <Steedalion> @lynorian, I was thinking we should rename some of the applications also. For example, there is no benifit in calling transmission Qtransmission, but it should be Transmission in Documentation and Application menu. So the change needs to happen in the default settings too.
[06:18] <lynorian> Steedalion: yeah espically for someone like my mom to understand
[06:43] <Steedalion> lol
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 @HMollerCl I was able to set my Qt theme to Breeze Dark using your pasted kdeglobals file.
 @TheWendyPower Let me know what you think of the basic design so far. It's just a window that's 800 x 600 with buttons present. I'll include your idea to also have a change desktop resolution / monitor settings too
 I was just getting back to my computer. I'll take a look!
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 @lbssousa [<reply to image>], Welcome!
 @tsimonq2 [Welcome!], Thanks!
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 wxl: ^ agaida has spoken XD
 He's like
 (Document) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/GgX0Fq9z/file_4369.mp4
 A note for the newbies, don't take agaida personally :)
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[15:56] <wxl[m]> ^ and that's where he gets fish slapped
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 @tsimonq2 [A note for the newbies, don't take agaida personally :)], he's from melmac?
[16:08] <wxl[m]> Naboo
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 Now we get to make fun of him for his small screen. XD
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[16:14] <wxl[m]> Already did
 HAHAHAHA
 Turns out we were on the same page.
 Thanks for the assistance wxl.
[16:39] <wxl> @kc2bez yeah agaida has a tendency to look for opportunities to be a sardonic naysayer
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 This group is up to 100 members and the Spanish group is up to 120 💪
 Huzzah!
 ^
 (Document) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/Ew4afLXH/file_4376.mp4
 (Document) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/nIXa0Dkd/file_4378.mp4
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[22:39] <qwebirc83150> I've been trying to create a LVM install of Lubuntu 18.10 with LUKS. I'm trying to get full disk encryption but I don't know if I can do it with the GUI installer.
[22:39] <wxl> not with efi but otherwise yes qwebirc83150
[22:40] <qwebirc83150> So, it won't work with EFI enabled?
[22:40] <wxl> correct
[22:40] <wxl> @tsimonq2 theoretically has some workaround to the problem but hasn't shared it with us yet :)
[22:40] <qwebirc83150> Is there a bug for that or is that just a limitation?
[22:41] <qwebirc83150> Gotcha
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2 theoretically has some workaround to the problem but hasn't shar …], No I don't XD
 Bad wxl is bad
[22:41] <wxl> oh well, i guess anyone who wants to do encryption and efi is screwed
 For now
 I'll figure it out
[22:42] <wxl> that's what we should do.. and provide some reasonable workaround
 But that isn't there yet. And I haven't had the time between mountains of homework and work to get back on my feet. :P
 Why can't you do it wxl? XD
[22:43] <wxl> because i don't know what the problem is.
 You have an EFI machine, right?
[22:43] <wxl> irrelevant
 Reproduce the problem and then try to fix it.
 Once you have a fix, standardize it.
[22:44] <wxl> yeah gee thanks
 If I get hit by a bus tomorrow you're gonna have to figure it out either way so XS
 *XD
 Anyway, yeah, I don't know the solution yet.
 I want to, but I don't unfortunately.
 I could have sworn it did work at one point though.
[22:44] <qwebirc83150> Gotcha
[22:44] <wxl> that should something we work to solve immediately
[22:45] <qwebirc83150> Is there a bug for that somewhere or would the calamares folk be the target contact for that?
 Don't contact them, we'd be the target.
[22:48] <qwebirc83150> Where should I check for updates on the issue then?
 We'll update the release notes.
[22:49] <qwebirc83150> Gotcha
[23:35] <thatrandomguy> I just want to double check on the EFI and LUKS conflict thing... this is not related to calamares, correct? Additionaly, is there a way to install Lubuntu via terminal?
[23:41] <lynorian> thatrandomguy: Does sever install with efi and luks correctly ?
[23:41] <lynorian> if so you can then install the lubuntu-desktop metapackage
[23:41] <lynorian> but that would only work for amd64 as no i386 server for 18.10
[23:43] <thatrandomguy> I haven't tried it yet. I was on earlier and Simon said it was a known issue dealing with EFI. What I wasn't sure of is if it was something wrong with Calamares or....
[23:44] <lynorian> thatrandomguy: it did affect ubiquity too and they had a hacky workaround our team did not find out about is what I heard
[23:44] <lynorian> thatrandomguy: a lot of the efi problems seem to be with grub
[23:44] <thatrandomguy> Gotcha
[23:45] <thatrandomguy> Would you happen to know if there's a bug out there for this somewhere?
[23:46] <lynorian> I don't know the number
[23:47] <thatrandomguy> Gotcha. As long as it's out there, I can search for it. Thank-you.


[06:37] <xubuntu41w> Hi, I'm using Xubuntu 16.04 on my laptop and I want to configure dual-monitor with external monitor.
[06:38] <xubuntu41w> When I connect an external monitor through VGA connector, the 2nd screen is appeared as "DO NOT USE - SEG 2"" on Display setting. If I try to use this screen, even Mirror or Extend, 1st screen is gone too. What can I do?
[06:41] <xubuntu41w> I used this configuration with xubuntu 14.04.
[07:48] <xubuntu16i> hi
[07:49] <xubuntu16i> anybody here?
[07:49] <xubuntu16i> hi
[07:50] <xubuntu16i> why everyone ignore
[07:51] <xubuntu16i> i have big error when i plug my portable hdd laptop gives kernel panic! pls help
[09:54] <aaran> Hi, I have xubuntu running and I would like to use the following login theme https://github.com/FallingSnow/lightdm-webkit2-material2 ,  I followed the install guide, however if I try and run "lightdm-gtk-greeter" I get the following error https://paste.fedoraproject.org/541042/48577003/ and if I lock the desktop I just get a black screen and the usual login box
[09:58] <aaran> any help would be appreciated
[17:02] <xubuntu94w> hey guys, I want to try xubuntu as a dual boot...downloaded the image; whats the next step? do I need special software to run the image
[17:03] <xubuntu94w> ?
[17:03] <xubuntu94w> thank you in advance
[17:07] <akxwi-dave> xubuntu94w:  you will need to  create a bootable  disk/usb from the iso image.. then you can boot your pc with the resulting live version to test  that everything will work
[17:07] <flocculant> xubuntu94w: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[17:08] <akxwi-dave> ^^ what he said.. :-)
[17:10] <flocculant> well - what you said - and those links ;)
[17:20] <xubuntu94w> thank you! :)
[17:35] <lobito> Hi. Anyone else getting "W:The repository 'http://ar.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file., W:Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use." while performing an update?
[18:52] <slee> hi, can someone verify it isn't just me? all of a sudden today, xubuntu won't play vids on the liveleak.com website(they were working fine yesterday)...even tried rebooting, all i get is auto from the vids, no video
[18:52] <slee> not sure if it has something to do with a recent xubuntu update or if liveleak.com is borked
[18:53] <slee> oops, auto = audio
[18:54] <flocculant> slee: working here (zesty)
[18:55] <slee> weird, i haven't installed anything new since yesterday
[18:55] <slee> youtube(html5) works fine
[18:57] <slee> ok, thanks, i'll dig around a bit more and see if i can figure it out
[20:41] <klderos> Hello I am having issues running Xubuntu 16.04 in qemu-kvm
[20:41] <klderos> I do not know if there is anything about qemu-kvm that is causing this problem
[20:42] <klderos> The main issue is sometimes graphical.target does not finish
[20:42] <klderos> the gui login screen never shows up
[20:43] <klderos> If I disable grub "quite nosplash" I will get a login prompt
[20:43] <klderos> I can then log in and start graphical.target just fine
[20:44] <klderos> This only seems to happen about 1 out of every 5 boots
[22:31] <glitchd> so heres the dilemma, turn computer on, it connects to the network i can browse internet use ssh everything works. i suspend machine, then i resume it but cant browse internet, or update, but i can connect with ssh still. what in the jim bob is going on here?
[22:39] <xubuntu62i> oh hi
[22:39] <xubuntu62i> I always get corrupt ISO when downloading the 64-bit version of Xubuntu
[22:40] <xubuntu62i> is anyone there?
[22:40] <xubuntu62i> ???
[22:40] <xubuntu62i> ?
[22:40] <xubuntu62i> hello?
[22:42] <knome> patience please
[22:43] <knome> where do you download it and how do you check if it is corrupt?
[22:44] <xubuntu62i> I downloaded it at school
[22:44] <xubuntu62i> In 2 minutes!
[22:45] <knome> when i ask where, i meant from which server?
[23:48] <adrian_1908> Anyone else have the problem that downloading archives and picking the "Open" rather than "Save" option, tries to open the downloaded file with a text editor, rather than the archive manager? I could swear I fixed this once before, but can't remember.
[23:49] <adrian_1908> Within Xubuntu, archives are assigned the correct program and Firefox suggest the correct program in the dialog as well. It just doesn't use it once the file has downloaded.


[14:08] <phillw> balloons: is there a QA meeting today?
[14:09] <balloons> phillw, I was idling in #ubuntu-meeting :-)
[14:09] <balloons> didn't see anyone about
[14:09] <phillw> makes 2 of us!
[14:10] <balloons> well then, it won't be me talking to me, so sure


[15:59] <teward> ElementaryOS is not supported in #ubuntu correct?
[15:59]  * teward is verifying his list of officially supported variants
[15:59] <teward> k1l: ping ^
[16:00] <k1l> teward: yep
[16:00] <k1l> !flavours
[16:01] <IdleOne> if it isn't available for download from the canonical servers it is not supported in #ubuntu
[16:01] <k1l> yes, that is a good rule of thumb.
[16:02] <teward> that's what i suspected, but i haven't updated my officially-supported variants list yet :)
[16:03] <teward> there we go
[16:03] <teward> thanks!
[16:03] <Mikaela> Ubuntu MATE is missing, but maybe it will come with 15.04 when it starts to be officially supported and the only difference to Ubuntu is that added PPA.
[16:04] <k1l> Mikaela: its not official so far, iirc.
[16:04] <k1l> the planed for 14.10 but were too late?!?!
[16:06] <xnox> Mate is an approved flavour, but has not yet been released as part of the Ubuntu Project / on Ubuntu Infrastructure
[16:06] <xnox> i don't believe
[16:09] <k1l> i cant find actual info about the state of ubuntu mate. my last info was from popey who said, that they were kind of late for 14.10 but wanted to solve that for the next release.
[16:10] <Mikaela> k1l: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFlavors
[18:09] <DJones> Mikaela: So 15.04 may well be "official"
[18:11] <DJones> k1l: That my understanding as well, it missed the .10 release for "officialness" & is still in development, #fosdem hangovers permitting
[18:12] <rww> correct, once 15.04 comes out it'll be officially supported in #ubuntu
[18:12] <rww> (the unofficial stuff they already released tends to get support there too, but technically shouldn't)
[18:13] <DJones> Yeah, must admit I wouldn't call somebody for that
[18:13] <rww> same
[18:13] <Mikaela> (I see, that is what I was wondering. The only difference that I see is that one PPA)
[18:15] <DJones> I think they do have their own channel as well #ubuntu-mate (But that could be a figment of my imagination)
[18:19] <Mikaela> they do, but it's a little inactive or questions don't get answered
[18:22] <DJones> I know over the last weekend anyway, some of the poeple involved will have been a fosdem, so fairly quiet on irc, plus as its a semi-unofficial channel, its not that well known yet
[18:24] <popey> +1
[18:24] <popey> :)


[13:33] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +54 cases (now 1.6 million), +22221 tests (now 9.6 million) since 20 hours ago
[15:37] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +980 cases (now 1.6 million), +21 deaths (now 27414) since 23 hours ago


[01:46] <bjsnider> nvidia is now saying the 195 unix blobs are affected by the gpu fan issue in the 196 windows drivers. unfortunately, this is the nvidia-current driver in lucid
[01:48] <BUGabundo> I noticed
[01:49] <BUGabundo> my fan is always at max
[01:49] <BUGabundo> the clock is almost always at 400MHz too
[01:50] <bjsnider> i don't think it would affect integrated hardware since there's no gpu fan there
[01:53] <Sarvatt> he doesnt have integrated, and that explains why the battery life is sucking on that machine my wifes using
[01:55] <bjsnider> who doesn't have integrated?
[01:55] <BUGabundo> I think I do have
[01:55] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo had the same 8400M GS I did last I checked?
[01:55] <BUGabundo> its a 8400 GM
[01:55] <bjsnider> it's a laptop
[01:55] <BUGabundo> or better 8400m G
[01:55] <BUGabundo> right
[01:55] <BUGabundo> its _just_ a chip there
[01:55] <bjsnider> unless laptops are using pci-express cards now he's got integrated
[01:56] <Sarvatt> ah yeah thats got lower clocks than GS but the same thing basically
[01:56] <BUGabundo> I had it clean, and applied new temp mass a few weeks ago
[01:56] <Sarvatt> yep they are wired up over PCI-E internally on the board
[01:56] <BUGabundo> but I do notice much more fan, latelly
[01:57] <BUGabundo> then again we keep getting new gnome-power-managers in lucid
[01:57] <BUGabundo> and new kernels
[01:57] <BUGabundo> so its hard to pin point
[01:57] <Sarvatt> ya cant adjust the profile BUGabundo?
[01:57] <Sarvatt> theres a module option you can use to force it but i dont have it off the top of my head
[01:57] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: nvidia-settings gives me two choices
[01:58] <BUGabundo> adaptive and performance
[01:58] <Sarvatt> oh the RegistryDwords option doesnt work anymore since they added it to nvidia-settings :(
[02:03] <Sarvatt> yay mesa_7.9.0~git20100305.67277a6d-0ubuntu0sarvatt_source.changes -- up to 7.9 already
[02:04] <Sarvatt> ugh there's already a bug against apw's -16 kernel where r100 KMS is crashing
[02:04] <libv> bjsnider: about the openchrome/gnome-shell guy: ohloh doesn't lie: https://www.ohloh.net/p/gnome-shell/contributors/116060753925724
[02:17] <bjsnider> libv, you mean jon nettlet?
[02:26] <bjsnider> he does a lot of testing with owen taylor. jon doesn't always do the commit after a problem is fixed
[02:28] <libv> gnome uses git, author and committer are separate, ohloh checks author
[02:28] <bjsnider> jon's not here to defend himself
[02:28] <bjsnider> what would he tell me about you if i were to ask him?
[02:28] <libv> bjsnider: ask him when he is around, nickname is jnettlet
[02:29] <bjsnider> yes, i know
[02:29] <bjsnider> he's not in the gnome-shell channel right now
[02:31] <libv> bjsnider: but try to match talk to code, it tells a very clear story here, but does require you to look at actual code
[02:32] <bjsnider> well, any contribution is better than none at all, which would be the case with me
[02:33] <libv> sure, but the point i was trying to make about the openchrome people is that they're mostly into talking
[02:33] <libv> (the fact that i am saying instead of coding is slightly ironic, yes)
[02:33] <bjsnider> jon and who else?
[02:34] <libv> xavier bachelot and ivor hewitt
[02:34] <libv> the guy who doesn't talk in the openchrome deal, he's the coder.
[02:34] <libv> or at least the bugfixer.
[02:34] <libv> bartosz (gang65)
[02:35] <bjsnider> the original reason i mentioned this is that jon told me he had to go off and fix that driver so it would work with gnome-shell
[02:35] <bjsnider> or work on it anyway
[02:35] <bjsnider> maybe they're caucusing on how to fix it
[02:36] <bjsnider> but i woudln't actually use the hardware if someone had a .44 magnum to my head
[02:37] <libv> bjsnider: but did he fix the driver so it would work with gnome-shell?
[02:37] <bjsnider> hahahaa
[02:37] <bjsnider> you've got me there
[02:37] <bjsnider> this was two weeks ago
[02:38] <bjsnider> in that time he has not fixed it
[02:38] <libv> bjsnider: via might be an almost dead company, but it is still the 4th x86 graphics hw maker out there
[02:38] <libv> with a market percentage smaller than the error margin, but still :)
[02:39] <bjsnider> yeah, it's the most popular, right after all of the others
[02:40] <libv> VIA was doing something amazing in 2003, when they, almost as an error i think, handed alan cox the code to their xfree86 driver
[02:41] <bjsnider> is this 2003?
[02:41] <libv> they claimed that they opensourced their graphics driver, in marketing, 3 times after that, but at that point, marketing totally overlooked that
[02:41] <bjsnider> libv, why are you working on this driver?
[02:41] <libv> bjsnider: because i bought this hw in 2003
[02:42] <bjsnider> on a board or in a laptop?
[02:42] <libv> board
[02:42] <bjsnider> i know how you can save yourself a lot of work
[02:42] <libv> heh.
[02:42] <bjsnider> you know those massive jet engines on a 747?
[02:42] <bjsnider> go near one and ask the pilot to crank it up to full throttle
[02:43] <bjsnider> toss the board into the engine
[02:43] <bjsnider> problem solved
[02:43] <libv> *shrug*
[02:44] <libv> so what do i do with those 24 other boards and laptops/netbooks?
[02:44] <bjsnider> the pilot will wait until they have all been vaporized
[02:45] <bjsnider> then buy something made by the nvidia corporation
[02:48] <bjsnider> it's interesting that nobody's bought via, if they're the 4th largest gpu manufacturer. they must be an almost owrthless property, with only obligations to their customers left at this point
[02:52] <libv> maybe because it is largely owned and run by one and the same family?
[03:10] <bjsnider> mac folks cannot play 24/96 flac audio files without vlc
[03:10] <bjsnider> good thing apple doesn't leech off the open source community
[07:02] <tjaalton> bryceh: bh.org down again?
[10:04] <Duke`> Sarvatt, will you package mesa 7.9-devel for Karmic, or stay with 7.8?
[16:39] <Sarvatt> ok i managed to get plymouth working in the screwed up manner that sends sigquit to X when you press enter on one of my machines to troubleshoot it some more
[16:41] <BUGabundo> woot
[16:41] <Sarvatt> and the isig flag IS set on tty7 *sometimes* which is for sure whats sending sigquit when you press enter, I can see it with sudo stty -F /dev/tty7
[16:42] <Sarvatt> and sudo stty -F /dev/tty7 -isig from another VT fixes it
[16:43] <Sarvatt> i think this is more prevalent when you aren't using the drm plymouth renderer which is why its hitting nvidia blob drivers more
[16:53] <Sarvatt> where the heck is the ubuntu plymouth bzr branch at? I just see lp:plymouth
[17:30] <Sarvatt> Duke`: probably wont do 7.9 for karmic honestly unless someone else decides to do it, at least I know 7.8 will work under karmic for the near future and thats already a huge jump from 7.6.0. why dont you upgrade to lucid already if you like the crack that much? it's not far from release :)
[17:32] <Sarvatt> things are just so different in lucid vs karmic and i'm already spending most of my free time keeping the ppa up to date
[17:32] <tjaalton> yeah drop it already
[17:41] <Sarvatt> Duke`: if you want to help keep karmic up to date in edgers it'd be *much* appreciated
[17:42] <Sarvatt> i live in development releases from the day they open, though i plan on keeping lucid going for a long time in there
[17:44] <Sarvatt> i think readding the tty-device-added requirements to the plymouth upstart job might help with this sigquit problem since it screws with the flags when the tty isnt ready at the start, have to test that out when i get some time
[18:49] <Duke`> well I'm not sure I'll have the time for that, unless a script can do it all in one or two commands (build & upload or something like this)
[22:51] <chrisccoulson> does anyone know what would cause XF86VidModeSetGamma to throw a BadValue error?
[22:51] <chrisccoulson> (there's not much documentation for that)
[22:52] <chrisccoulson> i'm trying to debug a screensaver crash (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/40255454/xtrace-mdeslaur.log) and can't see anything obvious that the screensaver is doing wrong


[02:11] <mate|15617> Hi all
[03:44] <ubuntu-mate_> w
[09:22] <mate|96980> hello. good morning
[09:23] <mate|96980> I'm spanish and my english level is not so good. Sorry for that
[09:23] <mate|96980> I have a question and perhaps anybody can solve it to me here.......
[09:24] <mate|96980> I'm trying to install burg on Ubuntu Mate 18.04 and it's no possible to do it by now for me
[09:25] <mate|96980> The repository is not available
[09:26] <mate|96980> How could I install it? Or it's no possible by now?
[09:26] <mate|96980> Thank you
[09:28] <diogenes_> !es | mate|96980
[10:04] <alkisg> mate|96980: do you mean burg the boot manager, https://code.launchpad.net/burg ?
[10:04] <alkisg> This was last updated in 2010, why would you use that?!
[10:21] <mate|96980> Because I want a more beautifull and graphic environment for boot menu
[10:21] <mate|96980> Are there any alternatives for it?
[10:29] <mate|4730> When will  Ubuntu Mate 18.04 be released?
[10:31] <alkisg> mate|96980, google for grub themes
[10:52] <enyc> mate|96980: I think, hopefully today, along with other forawld release, unelss they get delayed
[10:54] <enyc> mate|96980: theres some fun with an intermittent-bug while running the live-cd at the moment ;p
[10:55] <enyc> mate|96980: patience =)
[10:57] <mate|96980> And...when this version 18.04 will be released....will be availabled all repositories?
[11:00] <alkisg> mate|96980, the repositories of 18.04 are available since November
[11:05] <guest-1ist7y> hello
[11:05] <guest-1ist7y> i need help guys
[13:36] <mate|3738> when is the release of version 18.04 LTS of ubuntu Mate??
[14:03] <sixwheeledbeast> some time today.
[14:11] <mate|3738> any news?
[14:19] <krosonp> mate|3738: no ETA. Release is as soon as possible :)
[14:19] <krosonp> mate|3738: also join #ubuntu-release-party
[14:20] <mate|3738> i only use ubuntu /mate
[14:22] <krosonp> mate|3738: That channel refers to all official flavors of Ubuntu and all of them release at the same time.
[14:22] <mate|3738> i 'll take a look
[14:28] <mate|3738> What time of day is the launch?
[14:29] <mate|3738> I'm urgently in need
[14:29] <mate|3738> my system are broken
[14:34] <PaulW2U_> mate|3738: no set time - it'll be released when it's ready
[14:36] <mate|3738> Thanks
[14:46] <sixwheeledbeast> Use 16.04 LTS and upgrade later?
[14:49] <pavlos> 18.04 should be released soon
[15:01] <sixwheeledbeast> OOI will there be a Pi/arm build?
[15:03] <pavlos> the webpage will be updated ... I assume there will be a pi build since many use pi and mate
[15:30] <mate|7988> hello chatroom
[15:31] <mate|7988> does anyone know when final release of 18.04 will happen?
[15:35] <PaulW2U_> mate|7988: when it's ready - developers are still fixing bugs
[15:36] <mate|7988> cool thanks
[15:56] <mate|38879> .
[16:12] <Eightynine> Hello. I knew Ubuntu 18.04 will be released on 26 of April and wanted to switch to it from Windows 8.1 today. When will it be released?
[16:12] <Markdown1_> Eightynine yes I was told, by the end of today.
[16:12] <Markdown1_> Eightynine so wait for couple more hours.
[16:13] <Eightynine> Sorry, haven't seen that message. Thanks for your answer.
[16:14] <diogenes_> hehe it looks like people don't wait for the new year with so much excitement as they wait for new ubuntu :)
[16:14] <Markdown1_> depending on the part of the world you live, it may even be April 27 :)
[16:15] <Markdown1_> I think for the Raspberry Pi 3 version, it will still take longer?
[16:19] <Eightynine> Speaking about "Known issues" do they relate to all Ubuntu editions or only original with Gnome?
[16:20] <Eightynine> diogenes_: That's just because I tired from Windows :D Markdown1_ I live in GMT+3 timezone.
[16:25] <Markdown1_> its already 27th April in Oceania and Eastern Asia :)
[16:26] <Eightynine> Markdown1_:  I think you're from Australia or New Zealand :)
[16:33] <mate|3738> join #ubuntu-release-party
[16:35] <smashes000> Hello all.  I was curious is UM 18.04 scheduled to release on the same day as Ubuntu Proper?
[16:36] <sixwheeledbeast> yep
[16:36] <smashes000> Thx!
[16:36] <Markdown1_> smashes000 check after couple of hours.
[16:38] <Markdown1_> smashes000 also join #ubuntu-release-party
[16:38] <smashes000> sweet! Thx
[20:10] <mate|02200> any news
[20:10] <mate|02200> ?
[20:44] <mate|02200> ubottu
[20:44] <mate|02200> !isitout
[22:37] <krosonp> It's out!! https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-bionic-final-release/
[22:39] <kendell> woot woot! Downloading now
[22:42] <kendell> I love open source software. Ms just can't compete with free OS images
[22:47] <Markdown1_> Download Link http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/18.04/release/
[22:52] <krosonp> Ubuntu MATE 18.04: Perfect
[22:57]  * kendell has been running it since february and have had few issues with it. A bug in slick greeter was the worst bug I ran into
[22:57] <kendell> I have to give everyone who works on ubuntu mate credit for remembering accessibility. UM has always been one of the most accessible popular linux distros. It doesn't go un-noticed either
[23:12] <Markdown1_> Pantheon is the best mode in Mate Tweak Tool :P
[23:12] <Markdown1_> some likes Redmond though
[23:13]  * kendell likes the default layout, especially the brisc menu. It's essentially an open source windows 10 start menu without the cortana stuff.
[23:15] <mate|02200> puilsemixer??
[23:18] <kendell> I wonder. Is this a patched setting in ubuntu mate only or in all pulse audio? Ubuntu mate now switches over to a newly plugged in sound device, like a headset, when it is connected, just like windows does.
[23:23] <jahtemg> Does MATE have lower hardware reqs than normal ubuntu ?
[23:24] <kendell> I'm no expert, but I believe so. There's really no way of knowing how well ubuntu mate will work on your system without trying it though.
[23:25] <jahtemg> Alright... lets see :)
[23:26] <mate|02200> i downloading the torrent yet
[23:26] <Markdown1_> Torrent is Pretty slow right now
[23:26]  * kendell will seed the torrent. Since I cannot code, it's the least I can do to help out my favorite distro
[23:26] <Markdown1_> it is Uploading like Crazy
[23:27] <kendell> very very impressed with ubuntu mate, and with linux as a whole. I can easily sync my music and videos and podcasts with my iPod with zero issues, and I don't need bulky iTunes to do it. Thanks to gtkpod and all the tools included with libimobiledevice
[23:28] <pavlos> seeding ...
[23:29] <mate|02200> i also using gtkpod, very handy, love my ipod classic
[23:30] <kendell> does mate display the battery level on the iPod classics like it does for the newer ones? Now that is very handy
[23:55] <Markdown1_> kendell I use Pocket Casts anyways :P
[23:55] <Markdown1_> kendell so Podcasts are always in nyc
[23:55] <Markdown1_> *in sync
[23:56] <kendell> pocketcasts?
[23:56] <Markdown1_> yes
[23:56] <kendell> hmm. I may have to try those.
[23:57] <kendell> hmm, no pocketcasts in the ubuntu repositories. Must be an apple thing
[23:57] <Markdown1_> kendell no its a Website actually
[23:58] <kendell> nods. I actually have an iPad not an iPod, but gtkpod works equally well with those. And I can do nearly anything with the device I could do with iTunes, and a couple that iTunes can't do, or at least that I don't know how to do


[05:00] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/try_ubuntu
[05:00] <lophyte> hey johnlittle
[05:00] <johnlittle> yo
[05:02] <lophyte> how goes?
[05:03] <johnlittle> not bad..you?
[05:03] <lophyte> pretty good... we had an ubuntu toronto meet today.. about 12 people showed
[05:03] <lophyte> we're working on a marketing project for SFD right now.. but after that I'll bring up the video project again
[05:05] <johnlittle> 12 people is a pretty good start
[05:06] <lophyte> indeed
[05:08] <lophyte> i've got an old Dell machine here without an ethernet card.. I have no clue how to open it
[05:24] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: ready to work on the UWN?
[05:28] <johnlittle> burgundavia : sure. whats going on?
[05:30] <Burgundavia> gobbied up\
[05:30] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue13
[05:34] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: I was thinking about the Kubuntu specific information
[05:34] <Burgundavia> I think I want to split it out and not have a distro specific section
[05:34] <Burgundavia> thoughts?
[05:34] <Burgundavia> for any distro
[05:40] <johnlittle> burgundavia: split it out how?
[05:40] <Burgundavia> like I am doing
[05:41] <johnlittle> It's much more flexible that way
[05:42] <johnlittle> let the weeks news dictate the structure instead of trying to force the news into a format
[05:42] <Burgundavia> yep
[05:55] <johnlittle> burgundavia: got a link for the edgy artwork?
[05:58] <Burgundavia> asked in artwokr for one
[05:58] <Burgundavia> I can create one
[06:09] <johnlittle> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1475232&postcount=18
[06:30] <johnlittle> burgundavia: ping
[06:30] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: pong
[06:31] <johnlittle> see my question in gobbhy chat?
[06:32] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:53] <johnlittle> burgundavia: Gobby ping
[08:22] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: gobby down
[08:27] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: back in the wiki
[10:01] <Burgundavia> anybody awake?
[10:08] <popey> define $anybody
[10:10] <Burgundavia> popey: what to help me proofread UWN?
[10:10] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue13
[10:12] <popey> sure
[10:13] <Burgundavia> thanks
[10:13] <popey> is "the default init for edgy" going to mean much to some people? Should it briefly state what init is and why it's replaced?
[10:13] <popey> or is that too much information?
[10:13] <Burgundavia> you can add a sentence about what init is
[10:19] <popey> has the new ubuntu-sounds been mentioned in a past UWN?
[10:20] <Burgundavia> nope
[10:20] <Burgundavia> add that under the edgy section
[10:25] <Burgundavia> popey: ping me when you are done editing
[10:25] <popey> ok
[10:27] <popey> Burgundavia: done
[10:27] <Burgundavia> cheers
[10:27] <Burgundavia> ompaul: morning
[10:28] <Burgundavia> ompaul: very sorry, but I had to yank your feature of the week. It was very techny and not very "featurey"
[10:28] <ompaul> Good morning - my lag is always bad for the first few seconds
[10:29] <ompaul> no proble
[10:29] <ompaul> m
[10:29] <Burgundavia> can you give the UWN a once over for typos, etc.?
[10:29] <ompaul> yap
[10:29] <ompaul> yeap even
[10:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> Issue # for the week of Sept 3 <- should that # be something?
[10:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> and 'in this issue' is empty....
[10:36] <ompaul> it could do with: ||<tablestyle="float:right; font-size: 0.9em; width:40%; background:#F1F1ED; margin: 0 0 1em 1em;" style="padding:0.5em;">'''Contents'''[[BR] ] [[TableOfContents] ] ||
[10:37] <ompaul> some kind of termination of a line after: These two packages are the upstart equivalent of "initscripts"
[10:38] <ompaul> forbes lies: Ubuntu works in 22 languages,
[10:39] <ompaul> the forbes quote should be abandoned, it is so badly written: Ubuntu now has 4 million users, half of which are governments
[10:40] <ompaul> there are 2 billion governments on planet earth .. you have a one in three chance of being a .gov ;-)
[10:40] <Burgundavia> ompaul: umm, where did you those numbers/information from?
[10:41] <ompaul> The FSF.hu Foundation and the Hungarian Ubuntu Community
[10:41] <ompaul> woops in the press
[10:41] <ompaul> that last one, perhaps should read: The FSF Foundation in Hungry (fsf.hu) and the ...
[10:42] <ompaul> that is from the upcomming events
[10:42] <ompaul> with one m
[10:42] <ompaul> :)
[10:42] <Burgundavia> sorry?
[10:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> ompaul, say it again...i dont get it ;)
[10:43] <ompaul> okay: forbes info is from, in the press
[10:44] <ompaul> the upcoming events part, says: The FSF.hu Foundation and the Hungarian Ubuntu Community, I think it would be better as: The FSF Foundation in Hungry (fsf.hu) and the Hungarian Ubuntu Community
[10:44] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[10:44] <Burgundavia> edit as you please
[10:44] <ompaul> it just looks better
[10:45] <ompaul> I thought you were editing :)
[10:46] <ompaul> shall I add the menu?
[10:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyone else that contributes <- want a capital A to start with
[10:50] <ompaul> Kamping_Kaiser, done
[10:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> wd
[10:52] <elkbuntu> hmm i dont get a mention in the press section? -- joke :P
[10:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> aw, bl elkbuntu :(
[10:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[10:54] <ompaul> elkbuntu, smh.com.au what was the actual url again please :)
[10:54] <elkbuntu> http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/linux-wins-over-new-fans/2006/09/04/1157222061911.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
[10:55] <ompaul> pci bus went for an overheated chip style walk
[10:55] <elkbuntu> awww
[10:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> ouch
[10:56] <elkbuntu> good excuse to buy a new machine?
[10:59] <ompaul> I have sevearl I had to adjust the function of one
[11:00] <elkbuntu> you've been around seveas too long
[11:00] <elkbuntu> you're now incorporating his nick into your typos
[11:02] <ompaul> haha
[11:06] <ompaul> Burgundavia, I would like to take those figures out of the forbes item
[11:07] <ompaul> I would like to leave it to be just the last part
[11:07] <ompaul> I would like to leave in the fedora command and the last line so it would look like this:
[11:08] <ompaul> "After its public release in October 2004, Ubuntu quickly deposed Red Hat's Fedora as the most popular version of Linux on DistroWatch, a Web site that caters to Linux users. ... New users rave about the simple user interface, which has gained recent converts in a couple of well-known bloggers who switched from Apple Computer's OS X."
[11:08] <Burgundavia> except all the facts are wrong
[11:08] <Burgundavia> I would rather leavce the quote and then put underneath that:
[11:09] <Burgundavia> then say: closer to 7 million
[11:09] <Burgundavia> deposed Mandriva
[11:09] <Burgundavia> 30+ languages
[11:09] <ompaul> and is it not 95 langauges
[11:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> wow. thats tottaly different
[11:09] <Burgundavia> I have no idea, but rosetta can tell you
[11:10] <ompaul> rosetta front and centre please :)
[11:10] <Burgundavia> just a sec
[11:10] <ompaul> okay I will put that in there
[11:10] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+translations
[11:11] <Burgundavia> hmm, coverage kind of sucks
[11:11] <elkbuntu> sort it by status and it looks better
[11:12] <Burgundavia> looking at that
[11:12] <elkbuntu> cant see it reflected in the url though :-/
[11:12] <Burgundavia> yes, the problem with ajax
[11:12] <Burgundavia> I would say 30+{
[11:12] <ompaul> okay
[11:15] <ompaul> Burgundavia, this text okay?
[11:15] <ompaul> However these facts are in need of some revision, firstly the install base is currently suggested to be in the region of 7 million, it deposed Mandriva, and it works in over thirty languages, the current state of translation can be seen here.
[11:15] <ompaul> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+translations  Click on status, for a better view.
[11:15] <ompaul> here:
[11:17] <ompaul> saved anyone else want to take a shot at it?
[11:17] <ompaul> I never took out in this issue
[11:17] <ompaul> just a sec
[11:18] <ompaul> with the table on the right there is no need for in this issue
[11:19] <Burgundavia> Better: While we appluad Forbes for covering Free Software, we thought we might correct a few of their facts. Ubuntu is installed on somewhere between 6 and 7 million computers (the exact number is hard to tell) in a great many languages, about 30 of which are fairly complete and the reining champion on Distrowatch was Mandrake (later Mandriva) not Red Hat or Fedora.
[11:22] <ompaul> done
[11:22] <ompaul> right I am going to so some alterations to this machine to try and get it back to a point where it is more useful to me ;-)
[11:26] <Burgundavia> ompaul: please add edit summaries
[11:26] <Burgundavia> or I will shot you
[11:26] <ompaul> where?
[11:26] <ompaul> ahh
[11:26] <ompaul> okay
[11:26] <ompaul> it is a bit late now
[11:26] <Burgundavia> no, but in th efuture
[11:27] <ompaul> could we have a red box around that to bring ones eye to it? (and that is serious)
[11:27] <Burgundavia> there is a switch you can turn on that forces people to fill it out
[11:28] <ompaul> hit is
[11:28] <ompaul> it
[11:29] <ompaul> seriously hit it
[11:29] <Burgundavia> not my call
[11:29] <ompaul> no point in having the tools for best practice is your not going to follow it
[11:29] <ompaul> :)
[11:29] <Burgundavia> ok, I am going to send out the weekly news
[11:30] <Burgundavia> new format, however: only the TOC is going out
[11:30] <Burgundavia> and a short summary
[11:30] <Burgundavia> thoughts?
[11:31] <ompaul> fine
[11:31] <ompaul> as long as the url is there :)
[11:33] <Burgundavia> that also means we can continue to tweak it
[11:33] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: to make up for forgetting you, I am going to mention your interview in the summary
[11:36] <elkbuntu> :)
[11:42] <Burgundavia> ok, text to review
[11:43] <Burgundavia> paste alert
[11:43] <Burgundavia> Welcome to this weeks Ubuntu Weekly News, covering the happenings and events in the Ubuntu community during September 3rd through 10th. In this issue, we cover Scott James Remnant's upstart going live, Edgy getting GNOME 2.16, Melissa Draper's interview with the Sydney Morning Herald in Australia and much more. Read on at
[11:43] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue13
[11:43] <Burgundavia> should I add a section about us trying out this new format?
[11:45] <Burgundavia> ompaul, elkbuntu: ^
[11:46] <elkbuntu> yeah, people will be wondering
[11:50] <Burgundavia> I need to play with the template
[11:50] <Burgundavia> can I get feedback on the text of the announcement before I send?
[11:54] <elkbuntu> sounds good but then i could be biased here ;)
[11:54] <Burgundavia> right
[11:54] <Burgundavia> ok, I will send
[12:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol elkbuntu
[12:18] <Burgundavia> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/2006-September/000053.html
[12:18] <Burgundavia> we are done this week
[12:18] <Burgundavia> please keep cleaning up the typos
[12:18] <Burgundavia> I am going to sleep
[12:19] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: would you mind editing the template to reflect this weeks layout?
[12:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> shes away atm.
[12:21] <Burgundavia> you can do it to
[12:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'll tell her when shes back :)
[12:23] <Burgundavia> sure
[12:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[12:36] <elkbuntu> edit the template, as in put in the contents box?
[12:39] <ompaul> I think we should then make versions 15 16 and 17 include the "forward looking information about those days"
[12:39] <ompaul> s/days/editions
[12:41] <ompaul> so if there is an event 3 three weeks away we could have a note about it, and we could google it to see if the info got better than the previous releases
[12:42] <ompaul> i.e. so if you wanted to talk about an event on New Years day you might do monthly Sept Oct Nov and weeks 1 3 4 Dec and an event wrap up in jan
[07:21] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: you around?
[11:34] <poningru> how come that ubuntu christian thing hasnt been shutdown yet?


[05:27] <amitk>
[07:33] <apw> amitk,
[07:36] <amitk> apw: :) that would've been about the time my son was banging on the keyboard and managing to switch to a different tmux session
[07:36] <amitk>
[07:36] <apw> amitk, i am impressed :)  he will clearly be a geek
[07:37] <amitk> apw: how is the ubuntu kernel team?
[07:38] <apw> amitk, we're good ... still churning out kernels
[07:38] <smb> grumpy and whining. as always that means
[07:39] <amitk> heh
[07:39] <apw> heh and that of course, but that needs no saying
[07:39] <amitk> smb: LPC/ELC is in your neighbourhood this time
[07:39] <amitk> will you be there?
[07:40] <smb> amitk, I will be there. Though neighbourhood is a loose term (about 5hrs from here)
[07:40] <amitk> smb: beats a 15 hr flight, right?
[07:40] <amitk> smb: great, I'll see atleast some of you there
[07:41] <smb> Yeah, true. Actually we all are there
[07:41] <smb> amitk, So you won't even avoid apw :-P
[07:43] <amitk> smb: apw drinks beer, why would I want to avoid such an outstanding citizen?
[07:43] <smb> amitk, :) Don't we all do that
[07:43] <apw> amitk, sounds like a plan :)
[07:43] <smb> mostly
[07:45]  * amitk makes a note to avoid you guys the evening before the EAS microconf
[07:46] <amitk> apw: when is the phone coming out?
[07:46] <apw> amitk, i don't think i am privy to such minutia :)
[07:46] <amitk> apw: what SoC will it contain?
[07:52] <apw> amitk, i am definatly not the one to ask :)  i tend to look at these things and coo about the shiney case; plus i've not see any yet
[07:52] <amitk> apw: haha :)
[09:25] <cking> ppisati, did you get the fluke meter working?
[09:27] <cking> apw, can you sync stress-ng 0.01.31-1 into utopic, I had to make some minor fixes to the man page and help after autosync'ing got turned off earlier this week
[09:27] <apw> cking, sure
[09:27] <cking> ta
[09:32] <apw> cking, and done
[09:37] <ppisati> cking: nope, because the meter didn't turn on
[09:38] <ppisati> cking:  i did the hw mod instead
[09:38] <ppisati> cking: i think it's a problem with the fuse behind
[09:38] <ppisati> cking: it says "1/8amp for 220v" but there was a 250mA fuse
[09:39] <cking> ppisati, there is a 220/110 V voltage selector on the back - did you follow the manual?
[09:39]  * cking hopes it didn't blow up
[15:45] <ppisati> mlankhorst: FYI - bug 1359262
[17:16] <mlankhorst> ok I'll look
[17:30] <leighman> hey, trying to load a backported drm module on 14.04 using dkms but it is tainted
[17:30] <leighman> is it to do with signing? can I enable that?
[17:31] <leighman> taint code in 4098
[17:31] <leighman> drm and i915 module
[20:58] <apw> leighman (N,BFTL), i think  it tells you why when  it taints, in dmesg


[08:18] <TheMuso`> Ok the on-screen keyboard profile has been switched to classic GNOME./
[09:18] <popey> TheMuso`: do you know of any decent documents aimed at developers to help them make accessible applications?
[09:19] <popey> TheMuso`: like gnome/gtk guidelines
[09:23] <TheMuso`> popey: Not that are current I'm affraid, there used to be guides for GNOME, but they haven't been updated for quite a while.
[09:23] <TheMuso`> And I don't even know where to find them. There may be something on live.gnome.org/Accessibility.
[09:26] <popey> thanks TheMuso`
[10:44] <TheMuso`> popey: np
[13:36] <Pendulum> just in case people weren't aware, UndiFineD is going for membership at tomorrow's EMEA board meeting :)
[13:36] <UndiFineD> yes ! :)
[13:37] <UndiFineD> oh and happy birthday popey
[13:37] <popey> thanks UndiFineD
[13:38] <UndiFineD> do you have special plans ?
[13:39] <popey> I'm at work :(
[13:39] <Pendulum> UndiFineD: if I haven't left you a testimonial by this time tomorrow, can you poke me?
[13:39] <popey> will go home early and eat steak, cooked perfectly, by me :)
[13:39] <Pendulum> (I want to write one, I'm just trying to decide what to say :) )
[13:40] <Pendulum> popey: at least the food sounds yummy?
[13:40] <UndiFineD> thanks
[13:40] <UndiFineD> will do
[13:40] <UndiFineD> steak , it should be a meal of it own
[13:41] <UndiFineD> or perhaps a foodgroup
[13:41] <Pendulum> I thought it was a meal of its own
[16:07] <Pendulum> informal pole (i'm also sending this to the mailing list) for a meeting on wednesday are people better with 2200 UTC or 2100 UTC?
[16:07] <Pendulum> *poll
[16:09]  * charlie-tca prefers 2100UTC
[17:28] <AlanBell> 21:00 is best for me
[17:30] <Nafai> Pendulum: either is fine with me at the moment
[17:42] <UndiFineD> aw thanks alan
[17:42] <Pendulum> UndiFineD: do you have a meeting time opinion for wednesday?
[17:42] <UndiFineD> anytime is ubuntu time


[17:23] <mup> Bug #2012139 opened: maas commands occasionally fail with NO_CERTIFICATE_OR_CRL_FOUND when TLS is enabled <field-high> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2012139>


[00:16] <slickymaster> flocculant will have a review for you on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1633110 next wednesday
[00:16] <slickymaster> I'll be way tomorrow
[00:17] <slickymaster> and it's been a long time since I last saw Lubuntu's installer so I want to grab an image before reviewing
[00:46] <bluesabre> ochosi, no problemo :)