[08:40] <lazypower|Travel> sebas5384: juju run can shut down the service if there's an upstart job associated with the service
[08:41] <lazypower|Travel> but juju doesn't have a concept of shutting down the machine, no.


[01:32] <Bashing-om> Hyper86: Hey no problem at all - there is also a general #ubuntu-discuss channel.
[01:35] <Bashing-om> Hyper86: Ya found us :P
[01:36] <Hyper86> Yes!
[01:38] <Bashing-om> Hyper86: \o/
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:06] <ducasse> good morning
[11:18] <VMGuy23> Why does Software Updater appear so often when it needs to restart?


[15:00] <barry> #startmeeting
[15:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is barry.
[15:00] <barry> hello and welcome to this week's ameu reviewers meeting.  who's here today?
[15:00] <bigjools> me
[15:00] <rockstar> ni!
[15:00] <bac> me
[15:00] <henninge> me
[15:00] <allenap> me
[15:00] <abentley> me
[15:00] <mars> me
[15:00] <noodles> yup
[15:00] <sinzui> me
[15:00] <BjornT> me
[15:01] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[15:01] <barry> intellectronica sends his apologies
[15:01] <barry> adeuring: ping
[15:01] <adeuring> me
[15:01] <gmb> me
[15:01] <barry> cprov, danilos ping
[15:02] <cprov> me
[15:02] <barry> gary_poster: ping
[15:02] <barry> salgado: ping
[15:02] <gary_poster> barry: thanks
[15:02] <gary_poster> me
[15:02] <salgado> me!
[15:02] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[15:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[15:02] <barry>  * Roll call
[15:02] <barry>  * Wednesday AMEU hard stop, barry
[15:02] <barry>  * Action items
[15:02] <barry>  * Mentoring update
[15:02] <barry>  * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)
[15:03] <barry> i have a hard stop at 14:45 today.  hopefully we won't go that long anyway :)
[15:03] <barry> [TOPIC] action items
[15:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  action items
[15:03] <barry>  * adeuring to update wiki pages regarding `except Exception`, `KeyboardInterrupt` and `SystemExit`
[15:03] <adeuring> done
[15:03] <barry> adeuring: thanks!
[15:04] <barry>  * gary_poster to take importfascist and rSP() discussion to ml
[15:04] <gary_poster> nope.  I will bring new energy to the task. ;-)
[15:04] <barry> gary_poster: cool.  keep it on the list then?
[15:04] <gary_poster> y
[15:04] <barry> +1
[15:04] <danilos> me
[15:04] <barry> intellectronica's not here today, so...
[15:05] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Mentoring update
[15:05] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Mentoring update
[15:05] <barry> lessee, i think we're missing both deryck and leonardr
[15:05] <barry> any word from their mentors?  how are things going?
[15:06] <rockstar> barry, things is going well.
[15:06] <barry> leonardr_: hi!
[15:06] <gmb> Very well.
[15:06] <leonardr_> hi barry
[15:06] <gmb> Speaking of which...
[15:06] <barry> rockstar: great, thanks for mentoring.  leonardr_ any comments, problems, feedback on reviewing?
[15:07] <barry> gmb: what's up?
[15:07] <gmb> barry: Oh, nothing, I just realised deryck wasn't here :)
[15:07] <barry> :)
[15:07] <barry> deryck: how's the reviewing going?
[15:08] <gmb> barry: FTR, deryck's doing a fine job. He'll graduate in no time.
[15:08] <deryck> barry, I think going well, if I could remember to show up for things. :)
[15:08] <barry> gmb, deryck excellent
[15:08] <barry> deryck: isn't it almost your eod? :)
[15:08] <leonardr_> barry: i was hoping for some more interactive mentoring. on thursday i was reviewing a complicated branch and both rockstar and the person who submitted the branch were afk. i did the review but i don't think i learned as much from it as i could have
[15:08] <deryck> barry, not quite. :)
[15:09] <barry> leonardr_: you can always ping me if needed
[15:09] <leonardr_> barry, ok, cool
[15:09] <barry> anything else on mentoring?
[15:09] <rockstar> leonardr_, I was afk?  Hm.  I don't remember that.  I'll make sure to be around.
[15:09] <bigjools> leonardr_: if the submitter is not around, drop the review if you have questions
[15:10] <rockstar> I don't think dropping the review is right.  I think you can respond without voting.
[15:10] <barry> or just ask all those questions in the review!
[15:10] <bigjools> if it was requested as an OCR, it goes to the back of the queue until that person shows up
[15:10] <leonardr_> that's what i did. i did other reviews which were easier, and then i did this one
[15:11] <bigjools> these are the rules we agreed on a long time ago
[15:11] <barry> bigjools: +1
[15:11] <leonardr_> and i asked my questions in the review
[15:11] <bigjools> but leave a question in the review and mark it needs-reply
[15:11] <leonardr_> the reason it was difficult is it took me a long time to understand the code well enough to formulate the questions
[15:11] <rockstar> bigjools, hm, I guess you have different rules than I, but my team spans more timezones than yours.
[15:11] <rockstar> leonardr_, was this cprov's branch?
[15:12] <leonardr_> rockstar, yeah
[15:12] <bac> we should reiterate that people requesting an OCR need to be around or negotiate their absense with the reviewer
[15:12] <barry> leonardr_: that'll happen at first, don't worry about it too much
[15:12]  * bigjools is shocked that cprov was not around :)
[15:12] <rockstar> bac, why do they need to be around?
[15:12] <bigjools> leonardr_: yeah, don't feel too bad about doing another review
[15:12] <bigjools> instead of that one
[15:13] <abentley> rockstar: OCR is supposed to be interactive.
[15:13] <rockstar> leonardr_, I was around last week.  Remember, we got swamped?
[15:13] <bac> rockstar: so the review can be interactive.  that was one of the principles of having OCR
[15:13] <cprov> leonardr_: I thought it was perfectly fine to jump to another review when I was out
[15:13] <barry> rockstar: they need to negotiate their absence with the reviewer, who might not want to take a particular branch if the submitter isn't around to answer questions in realtime
[15:13] <bigjools> this is written up on the OCR page I thought
[15:13] <rockstar> barry, okay, I think "negotiate with the reviewer" is better than "drop it until they come back"
[15:14] <cprov> leonardr_: there was enough time for finishing the review while I was around, but you had problems with your account, remember ?
[15:14] <leonardr_> cprov: i did
[15:14] <barry> rockstar: right. but if the submitter just disappears, the reviewer has every right to move on
[15:14] <bigjools> exactly
[15:14] <leonardr_> i don't blame anyone for not being around at my convenience. and i did move on--i reviewed the other two branches in the queue before coming back
[15:14] <rockstar> barry, yes, because it wasn't negotiated.  I'm happy with that.
[15:14] <cprov> leonardr_: right, I think when something like this happens there isn't much you can do, abstain and move on, no worries.
[15:15] <barry> cool
[15:15] <barry> cprov: yep
[15:15] <leonardr_> ok, in the future i'll abstain and do other work rather than bang my head against a branch all day
[15:15] <barry> leonardr_: thanks for bringing this up
[15:15] <leonardr_> np
[15:16] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)
[15:16] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)
[15:16] <barry> does anybody have any other topics today?
[15:17] <barry> that seems like a "no" :)
[15:17] <henninge> barry: just to mention:
[15:17] <barry> henninge: go ahead
[15:17] <henninge> I changed my OCR slot to Monday Euro.
[15:17] <rockstar> barry, do we have a policy on multiline list comprehensions?
[15:17]  * bigjools thought of something
[15:17] <barry> henninge: thanks.  did you update the wiki page?
[15:17] <henninge> barry: yes
[15:18] <barry> rockstar: i believe we do, in our python style guide
[15:18] <barry> henninge: thanks!
[15:18] <barry> bigjools: go ahead
[15:18] <bigjools> ok
[15:18] <salgado> leonardr_, another option is to use kiko's approach and ask tons of questions on the review.  once the developer answers them you can do a proper review
[15:18] <bigjools> in a fix I made this week I had a hellish time dealing with code that was a mix of unicode and ascii strings
[15:18] <bigjools> Bjorn had some interesting post-review points
[15:19] <bigjools> but the upshot is that the code should be using unicode strings throughout, up until the point where you have to encode it as utf
[15:19] <bigjools> is this enforceable?
[15:19] <leonardr_> salgado, true
[15:19] <bigjools> across LP I mean
[15:19] <cprov> salgado: yes, that would work too, but unnecessarily binds the reviewer to the branch.
[15:19] <rockstar> bigjools, it'd be nice.
[15:20] <abentley> bigjools: In bzr, we often hold strings as utf-8-encoded bytes, for performance reasons.
[15:20] <barry> when we're on python 2.6, i really want to add "from __future__ import unicode_literals" to the header of every file
[15:20] <bigjools> abentley: interesting, how much of a performance hit is there?
[15:20] <barry> (and absolute_import but that's a different issue)
[15:20] <abentley> bigjools: dunno.  And I know that bzr manipulates a lot more data than your typical Launchpad page.
[15:21] <bigjools> right
[15:21] <barry> abentley: bzr is probably more byte-oriented than launchpad, which is more text oriented
[15:21] <bigjools> it probably won't make much difference for us, we have bigger performance problems to worry about
[15:21] <abentley> barry: Lots of things are defined as unicode, like filenames and revision-ids.
[15:22] <barry> abentley: good point about filenames, didn't know about revids
[15:22] <bigjools> the thing I was fixing were error messages in our upload processor, as soon as an ascii string formatter pulls in some unicode from the database, you're in trouble
[15:22] <barry> i do think enforcing unicode literals will help, but it will probably expose places where we are being sloppy
[15:23] <flacoste> barry: won't that means a 100,000 line diffs?
[15:23] <bigjools> it might need a larger concentrated cross-team effort on it at some point
[15:23] <flacoste> barry: to update the expected output of doctests?
[15:23] <barry> flacoste: not if people are printing string values!
[15:23] <flacoste> barry: they are not
[15:24] <flacoste> barry: just grep for u' in the tests
[15:24] <abentley> barry: Python's willingness to convert ascii-encoded str into unicode is convenient, but can mask problems later.
[15:24] <barry> flacoste: it's our rule (now) but yeah there's legacy code
[15:24] <barry> abentley: yep
[15:25] <barry> anyway, we're not on python2.6 so it's kind of a moot discussion, but it should be a goal of ours to be explicit in our code whether we're talking strings or bytes
[15:25] <barry> (where byte literals are defined with b'' prefix)
[15:25] <barry> it won't be painless though ;)
[15:26] <barry> anyway...
[15:26] <barry> anything else on this or other topics for today?
[15:26] <bigjools> my immediate question is, it might be worth trying to enforce unicode now in reviews to reduce the potential for more problems.  What do you think?
[15:27] <barry> bigjools: possibly.  i hate to introduce more u'' prefixes when we can soon make them all go away
[15:27] <barry> bigjools: otoh, we can probably convert module-by-module
[15:28] <bigjools> I guarantee there will be lots of pain unless it's done all at once
[15:28] <bigjools> but ok, let's move on
[15:28] <barry> bigjools: which isn't to say you guarantee it will be painless if it is all done at once :)
[15:28] <bigjools> there's relative levels of pain :)
[15:29] <barry> :)
[15:29] <barry> okay, anything else?
[15:29] <barry> 5
[15:29] <barry> 4
[15:29] <barry> 3
[15:29] <barry> 2
[15:29] <barry> 1
[15:29] <barry> #endmeeting
[15:29] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:29.
[15:29] <barry> thanks everyone!
[15:29] <abentley> barry: thanks yous
[15:30] <gmb> Cheers barry
[15:30] <bigjools> cheers
[23:34] <mwhudson> barry: hello
[23:35] <barry> #startmeeting
[23:35] <MootBot> Meeting started at 17:35. The chair is barry.
[23:35] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[23:35] <barry> mwhudson: hi
[23:35] <barry> thumper: hi
[23:35] <barry> jml: hi
[23:35] <thumper> hi
[23:35] <barry> well, not much to recap from ameu today
[23:36] <barry> so i'll just open up the floor to anything you guys have
[23:36] <thumper> I don't have anything
[23:36] <mwhudson> oh
[23:37] <mwhudson> me neither
[23:37] <barry> mwhudson: record breaking
[23:37] <barry> i guess we're done then :)
[23:37] <thumper> w00t
[23:37] <barry> #endmeeting
[23:37] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 17:37.
[23:37]  * mwhudson wonders what the relationship between number of attendees and length of meeting is
[23:37] <mwhudson> i think it's not linear :)
[23:37] <thumper> exponential
[23:38] <barry> you don't even want to know how long the meeting is when i'm the only one there
[23:38]  * barry -> more dinner


 well, that did not worl either.
 try the latest beta as per bug report, at the bottom
 Then i reverted to 0.4.14-beta
 that seemed to work t first, but I got an erroer just at end of the install. now I have a constant boot-loop
 i'll give the latest beta a try
 I cant even turn it off.... its constantly reebooting
 ok, found a way to power off
 you have to be fast enough
[00:29] <ubptgbot> April Rodriguez was added by: April Rodriguez
 fails
[01:11] <ubptgbot> fan zhaohui was added by: fan zhaohui
 @NyamkaTg [<reply to media>], I think your screen is broken
 @NyamkaTg [<reply to media>], which device is this? it doesn't look like any I know
[02:50] <ubptgbot> <    > Hello, … I just noticed that ( ubports installer ) doesn't flash the recovery-bacon as it should. good evening ++
 @Javacookies [Haven't seen it myself but if it does work, you'll be delighted to see it and pr …], Not good.. … Rotation not working (on phone)  … Bluetooth mouse not working (on convergence)
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/6yo29JVx.png
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/HoyWg0Eo.png
 Touch pad with phone is not working too, but it's also not working on stable channel.
 wow well I know you said its not good but it actually looks really cool
 once the mouse is going that will be awesome
 I like the bigger icon size used
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/00IoJr02.png Rc channel
 I do this with my note 4, its actually pretty nice
 @Christopher [I like the bigger icon size used], I see the bigger icon when I use my monitor (the one that flicker). I'm not sure it's intended or not.. Seems to big for me
 @dokie80 [I see the bigger icon when I use my monitor (the one that flicker). I'm not sure …], also with convergence, the icons should be at the top if your wired into the screen, one sec while I find the pic
 @dokie80 [<reply to media>], U mean like this?
 Why edge version is lower than rc?
 @dokie80 [U mean like this?], yeah, exactly like that lol
 @Shakendo [yeah, exactly like that lol], That's on stable
 Stable channel
 my note 4 is devel, edge is where the potential to break everything is very real (and not available on my note 4) Id reccomend devel or rc unless you absolutely need your device to work, then use stable lol
 I was commanded to try edge 😜
 He said that if it break my n5, he will buy me a new one 🤣
 Devel looks okay. Video streaming is working while before Its not working on stable.
 @dokie80 [He said that if it break my n5, he will buy me a new one 🤣], n5 as in nexus 5? I have one of those as well, but no slimport adapter for it sadly.  in total I have 4 devices that run UT atm, Im looking into porting a tablet, and a couple more phones, but my life has been getting busy as of late
 yes nexus 5
 @TotalSonic [No, there is not, but there is a real need for a developer to tackle the major t …], Can you please share  addition details?link may be?Do you mean amazon redshift?
 great device, I wish it had a bigger screen though, but otherwise really good when you know what to look for in terms of common issues
 @Sanath [Can you please share  addition details?link may be?Do you mean amazon redshift?], I think he meant night light
 Flux kinda app?
[05:19] <ubptgbot> Kevin was added by: Kevin
 Display a listing of all the files in the current working directory ending with letter ‘t’ using one command, e.g. unix.txt or doodad.text. … does someone know which command to use for this...
 I am so confused
 ls *t … ?
 thank you :)
 Yw
 😌
 @fredldotme [That 0x error has been reported before: https://github.com/ubports/ubports-insta …], 0x error can be fixex by specifying type:raw or so in the installer config. Jan is on it, but it will take some time. For now all affected devices need the installer config to be changed
 ok, my device (suzu) is either off or stuck in this 5-10sec boot-loop. It comes up until reaching the bootloarder screen with options: " ubuntu options", "Android options", "Advanced" and then restarts.
 This bootloop starts as soon as I connect in fastboot mode. Therefore flashing firmware is almost impossible. Now, Is it safe to install the ASOP Image via fastboot?
[08:09] <ubptgbot> <claudomiro Jonelson> Does Someone here live in Canada
 Hi guys! Does anybody know how to run apache2/nginx? I’m trying to install with Libertine, but there’s installation errors…
[08:41] <ubptgbot> Kanceza was added by: Kanceza
 Hello … Can you share the Oneplus 5 halium boot img file?
 How stable is ubuntu touch for oneplus 3t
 Also where can i get oneplus one if possible now
 ok, the issue is, the device stays several seconds in the bootloader and then reboots. I am not able to stop it. So, if the Ubports-Installer starts flashing - the device reboots and connection is lost.
 this is really frustrating
 @Max [Hi guys! Does anybody know how to run apache2/nginx? I’m trying to install with …], I don't know if you'll be able to allocate the ports to inside the container, because as far as I know the container runs as your user and the default user doesn't have permission to open port 80 or 443
 Unless you use a higher port like 8080
[09:57] <ubptgbot> MZGDev was added by: MZGDev
 @dokie80 [Not good.. … Rotation not working (on phone)  … Bluetooth mouse not working (on conv …], yeah edge has many things that might not work 😅 Edge channel is like a lab rat 😄
 you did not notice anything on the phone screen while connected to the monitor? Multi-display and workspace suppprt landed on the edge 😉
 @Javacookies [you did not notice anything on the phone screen while connected to the monitor? …], nope, on phone is like usual, touchpad that didnt work 😁
 fyi, i just switch channel... not re-installing
 Guys m the Open store is not opening on my phone
 Meizu Pro 5
 for some time now  and my 2FA is not working
 any idea how to fix this
 @dokie80 [nope, on phone is like usual, touchpad that didnt work 😁], The touchpad was fixed some OTAs ago but it seems that it got broken again
 @dokie80 [<reply to media>], You can see the phone here.
[11:10] <ubptgbot> monajemia was added by: monajemia
 well, i managed to install trwp 3.3.1 via fastboot. BUT the installer fails again because of exact same reason as before - the device does not stay in Fast-boot mode during file-transfer. It reboots suddenly during file transfer.
 after that, twrp is gone and boot-loop is back
 NOW, i have reverted to TWRP again and leave it like ta
 that, at least i can switch it on/off reliably
 @CW [well, i managed to install trwp 3.3.1 via fastboot. BUT the installer fails agai …], you use adb sideload?
 i have seen this button in TWRP, but what for should I use it?
 please give me a hint
 adb sideload is when you stream the installation zip from pc onto phone and it installs on the go
 So if not, you copy the installer some where and install from zip, right?
 @CW [well, i managed to install trwp 3.3.1 via fastboot. BUT the installer fails agai …], I was confused by "file-transfer"
 Also what's your phone?
 Xperia?
 aha. I see there is a misounderstanding. Refering to my previous posts, i have posted quite an elaborate log about what I did and at what point it fails.
 Yes its suzu, and I was using the ubports-installer running on Xubuntu 18.04
 The Image was downloaded by the installer and at the point where the System Image ist transferred to the phone (by the ubports-installer via fastboot) the phone leaves fastboot-mode (LED turns RED, instead keeping blue color) and finally reboots.
 Is your phone unlocked?
 the ubports-installer reports connection-loss (obviously 😉)
 YES
 Have you gone through https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/suzu/?
 [Edit] Have you gone through https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/suzu/ ?
 I gat a warning screen at boot
 exactly
 each and every step
 and succeded
 problems came afterwards, when trying to install vie ubports-installer 0.4.20-beta and running into a known bug: https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/issues/1377
 @CW [problems came afterwards, when trying to install vie ubports-installer 0.4.20-be …], And then you tried installing manually using TWRP?
 no, then I was stuck in a bootloop
 and went to bed.
 this morning I tried to solve it but wasnt able. So TWRP is just a different try to get control over the phone back.
 Target ist to get Ubports running. TWRP is just an intermediate step
 Yeah, how do you boot into twrp?
 via fastboot flash boot *.img
 well its the curernt bootloader, so its the only thong that loads
 TWRP tells me there are actually 4551MB in system partition
 what android version did your phone have when you bought it?
 maybe I should wipe it
 It had 6.0 and i updated it to 8.0
 took a hole day and 7 to 8 inceremental updates
 @CW [TWRP tells me there are actually 4551MB in system partition], boot loops are often because of boot.img being corrupted, in your case it may be system
 what method did you use for flashing stock firmware?
 i let it do the updates by itself, so android updated itself
 so after you got stuck on boot, you didn't try flashing stock?
 no
 I was reluctant to download the 2.7GB which take quite some time in this remote place of Germany
 ^
 well that is the way that almost always works, I don't know which partition is corrupted, the easiest fix is to revert back to stock and start from there
 Ok, i can do that.
 and try the flashtool provided for xperia
 flash the firmware using that
 ok, I'll give it a try
 fastboot is impossible?
 the flashtool actually uses fastboot I think
 it's just that your boot and system partition may be corrupted in several ways
 ok I'll figure it out
 haven't installe the xperia flashtool yet. Maybe I have to update my JRE
[12:23] <ubptgbot> Mf Mm was added by: Mf Mm
 @Hungry_BB [any idea how to fix this], Your clock is wrong. Fix the time/date to be correct
 Thank you , sir ! That was the problem
[13:23] <ubptgbot> T-Bag was added by: T-Bag
 please what is the passphrase for ubuntu touch?
 @T-Bag [please what is the passphrase for ubuntu touch?], phablet
 thanks
 I have an emergency situation
 would it possible to install and run node.js on ubtuch?
 [Edit] would it possible to install and run node.js on ubtouch?
 libertine?
 I'd need persistense
 [Edit] I'd need persistence
 set rootfs to read write?
 Anyone else having issues to start apps after updating to OTA-13? I am on a Xperia X, and can't start any app anymore (both on devel and stable). Messages in `.cache/upstart/*.log say "Unable to exec 'teleports' in '/opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/users/phablet/teleports.ubports': No such file or directory"
 [Edit] Anyone else having issues to start apps after updating to OTA-13? I am on a Xperia X, and can't start any app anymore (both on devel and stable). Messages in `.cache/upstart/*.log say for example "Unable to exec 'teleports' in '/opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/users/phablet/teleports.ubports': No such file or directory" Are all apps re
[14:39] <ubptgbot> moved? Should I reinstall them via Settings->Update?
 @Mattias [Anyone else having issues to start apps after updating to OTA-13? I am on a Xper …], it's now arm64 so most apps won't work … go to Update settings > reinstall all apps
 not all apps may be reinstalled so you have to check each app and reinstall manually from the store
[15:03] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Shakendo [I do this with my note 4, its actually pretty nice], You mean UT on the Samsung galaxy Note 4? That's what i am just typing on and had no idea it could run UT. Could i ask you to point me in the right direction on what/where to read to get started?
 well are you using a snapdragon or exynos variant? I have only got the snapdragon variant so far since I dont own a exynos one
 @Javacookies [it's now arm64 so most apps won't work … go to Update settings > reinstall all app …], Thanks! 👍 That worked for most apps :) I guess I somehow missed that all apps needed to be reinstalled. Too bad the config of Dekko is not restored, but he, most things work again. 😁
 @X YZ [You mean UT on the Samsung galaxy Note 4? That's what i am just typing on and ha …], I have some older builds that are twrp flashable, but they lack OTA, and I just recently found out that the installer currently will only be able to install to my variant, so Ive been trying to fix that (with limited success)
[15:10] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Shakendo [well are you using a snapdragon or exynos variant? I have only got the snapdrago …], It's the SM N910F - have to find out more later when i am back home. 📱🤔
 @X YZ [It's the SM N910F - have to find out more later when i am back home. 📱🤔], I have UT running on 910F (trltexx)
[15:11] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> Don't even have twrp on it yet and did not know it was available.
 my note 4 is a 910V, but all the snapdragon ones use the same base
[15:11] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Shakendo [I have UT running on 910F (trltexx)], Sounds promising. 👍
 @X YZ [Don't even have twrp on it yet and did not know it was available.], the ubports recovery will eventually replace twrp, at least for UT, I gotta fix a variance I didnt know existed until recently
[15:15] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> I see i will have some reading to do. 😉 … Offline for a few hours now, though. … But thanks already for giving me hope for my nice little Note 4. 😀👍
 @Mattias [Thanks! 👍 That worked for most apps :) I guess I somehow missed that all apps n …], Yeah I think it should have been pointed out in the OTA 13 posts. Anyway, app data shouldn't be affected and should work as is
 @Shakendo [I have some older builds that are twrp flashable, but they lack OTA, and I just …], Is their no option for multiple codenames?
 a unified build? there is, but Im having trouble getting it to work, and it requires system.img to be mounted r/w which isnt really plausible with UT, it can be run in recovery, but after asking and researching theres no way to have it automatically run after the install
 I have 3 builds that I based from the unified build info
 @X YZ [I see i will have some reading to do. 😉 … Offline for a few hours now, though. … Bu …], welcome, just let me know if you wanna try one of the twrp builds
 Tell me, is there an application for reading books in fb2 format?
 Sturm Reader is the one I hear people use.
 @pv_bl [Sturm Reader is the one I hear people use.], Not read fb2 :(
 Don't know, then. Maybe we just don't have one.
 @Sanath [Can you please share  addition details?link may be?Do you mean amazon redshift?], probably the open source `redshift` package - http://jonls.dk/redshift/ - or the Gnome project's `Night Light`would be good pre-existing code base to build on for an OS wide PR, or perhaps port to clickable, for use in UT
 @Sanath [Can you please share  addition details?link may be?Do you mean amazon redshift?], [Edit] probably the open source `redshift` package - http://jonls.dk/redshift/ - or the Gnome project's `Night Light` would be good pre-existing code base to build on for an OS wide PR, or perhaps port to clickable, for use in UT
 @TotalSonic [probably the open source redshift package - http://jonls.dk/redshift/ - or the G …], afaik, redshift doesn't support mir or wayland, nor android. there are different ways to filter out blue light across different devices, and we want to use the most efficient method for each device possible, ideally
 @dohbee [afaik, redshift doesn't support mir or wayland, nor android. there are different …], makes sense, thanks for the info
 @Verevka86 [Not read fb2 :(], You could try using an (online) tool to convert it to PDF or some other format.
 @Verevka86 [Not read fb2 :(], maybe `fbreader` in a Libertine container could work. I will test later today.
 @TotalSonic [maybe fbreader in a Libertine container could work. I will test later today.], I would be very grateful, I am not yet familiar with libertine, while I ran it through anbox, but I figured out the device memory 😔
 @Verevka86 [I would be very grateful, I am not yet familiar with libertine, while I ran it t …], lots of online and offline tools (such as Calibre) can convert fb2 to epub as well - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=convert+fb2+to+epub&t=brave&ia=web
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/4d4Kr8M7.png
 @TotalSonic [lots of online and offline tools (such as Calibre) can convert fb2 to epub as we …], Anbox work :)
[18:28] <ubptgbot> coelicidium was added by: coelicidium
 does ubuntu touch support android apps?
 kinda sorta
 Not really
 Its more like, things exist to make running android apps easier and Marius has worked on it, but if things go wrong you're on your own
 cant say ive ever tested anbox on ubports... there was a n anbox build for sailfish OS (for devices that didnt have an official alien dalvik support) and it worked well though
 @PiecerEdd [cant say ive ever tested anbox on ubports... there was a n anbox build for sailf …], yeah, I have yet to try Anbox myself as well, even after being on UT for my daily driver for 2 years now - but luckily for my needs I can get by well on just what is available for UBports natively and via webapp, as well as a few things via
[21:17] <ubptgbot>  Libertine.  I do hope that anbox can be made to function much more stably and with decent power management - as there are a couple of Android apps (such as Lyft and Simpletask) that it would be nice to have access to again.
[21:40] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Shakendo [welcome, just let me know if you wanna try one of the twrp builds], Thanks, i would love to. Right now, though, the Note 4 is my dd under Android with a few apps that i am not sure i can replace under ut at once. Also it is vendor branded and boot-locked, i think. Never given that much thought, since i have never seen any OS for i
[21:40] <ubptgbot> t other than Android. So I will first have to migrate my "must have"-apps to another Android-phone (los or de-googled), before i can try anything on the Note 4.  … Would like to contact you again once i have finished these preparations. 😀
[22:26] <ubptgbot> Kian Decker was added by: Kian Decker
 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/HRusH006.png
 @X YZ [Thanks, i would love to. Right now, though, the Note 4 is my dd under Android wi …], no worries, it should be showing up in the installer soon
[23:23] <ubptgbot> <Kian Decker> (Photo, 958x960) https://irc.ubports.com/MWvlfyS8.png
 @UniversalSuperBox SPAM


[07:57] <duflu> anpok: Fun for you:   https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/fix-1528109/+merge/291860
[07:58] <anpok> oh
[07:58] <duflu> It works!
[07:59] <anpok> o**g displacement is not storing floats?
[07:59] <anpok> args..
[08:07] <anpok> hmm make ptest passes in 16 seconds
[08:13] <duflu> Passes? Too good to be true
[08:19] <duflu> anpok: Would you kindly own that branch? I'm not meant to be looking at such things
[08:23] <anpok> oh interesting
[08:23] <anpok> on a 32 core machine it runs in 14 seconds -j 64..
[08:23] <anpok> but on a 8 core it fails with -j 64..
[08:23] <anpok> meh
[08:24] <anpok> duflu: hmm i would want to change displacement and point
[08:24] <anpok> so that confining just works..
[08:24] <duflu> anpok: That's a can of worms. What I've proposed works and doesn't require any type changes
[08:25] <anpok> what do you think is missing in your MP?
[08:25] <duflu> anpok: Tests
[08:25] <anpok> hm i guess the same is true for scroll events
[08:26] <anpok> but we do ticks now.. so it will only be a problem later when we also supply scroll motion axis
[08:26] <duflu> Heh. It would be amusing it smooth touchpad scrolling was always there and we just accidentally lost precision
[08:26] <anpok> unless of course you scale down the scroll ticks..
[14:53]  * alan_g realizes he pushed to the wrong miral branch


[08:00] <dholbach> good morning
[08:00] <elfy> morning dholbach
[08:03] <dholbach> hi elfy
[14:39] <jcastro> hey dholbach or mhall119
[14:39] <dholbach> hey jcastro or mhall119
[14:40] <jcastro> hey so I have this guy, SuperMatt
[14:40] <jcastro> who has been experimenting with Google Helpouts
[14:40] <jcastro> to help Ubuntu users
[14:40] <jcastro> I was wondering if we could have him give a session on how they work etc. so if people want to use them they know what to do.
[14:40] <jcastro> from a quick glance they look really useful and it might be worth investigating
[14:40] <dholbach> a session at vUDS to demo helpouts?
[14:41] <jcastro> yeah, kind of show people how they work, he's done a few already
[14:41] <jcastro> it might be worth organizing them a bit
[14:41] <jcastro> like, best practices, etc
[14:41]  * popey knows supermatt
[14:41] <jcastro> https://helpouts.google.com/104760950939866700163/ls/835dad061e4b03e7
[14:41] <jcastro> for example
[14:41] <popey> the problem is you can't sign up for them
[14:41] <popey> you need an invite
[14:41] <popey> so even if our support people are super keen to do it, they can't.
[14:42] <jcastro> yeah but people are already doing them
[14:42] <popey> sure.
[14:42] <popey> he's the only one in the community doing it
[14:42] <jcastro> so might as well start figuring out limitations, etc.
[14:42] <popey> others are non-ubuntu people from what I can tell
[14:42] <jcastro> I'm just saying we should check it out
[14:43]  * popey has been ☻
[14:43] <jcastro> sweet! then you can corun the session and write stuff down. :p
[14:43] <dholbach> he could just propose a meeting for uds here: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/propose_meeting/
[14:43] <jcastro> https://helpouts.google.com/103850205879393866467/ls/a6aafe46ff620239
[14:43] <jcastro> man
[14:43] <dholbach> there are some community slots open
[14:43] <jcastro> $25 for 30 minutes
[14:43] <jcastro> I should do these
[14:44] <jcastro> dholbach, ok I will do so!
[14:45] <jcastro> done
[14:45] <jcastro> just needs to be scheduled
[16:51] <dholbach> all right my friends, I call it a day
[16:51] <dholbach> have a great weekend!
[16:52] <elfy> cya dholbach
[16:52] <dholbach> bye elfy


[06:03] <spayne> hey all
[06:12] <mgalvin> hi spayne
[06:13] <spayne> yo mgalvin
[06:14] <spayne> can i ask your advice?
[06:16] <mgalvin> sure
[07:04] <spayne> on IPodHowto it only talks about gtkpod
[07:04] <spayne> should i mention banshee in breezy
[07:04] <spayne> which is a more elegant solution
[07:11] <spayne> mgavlin:?
[07:12] <spayne> mgavlin: any thoughts?
[07:14] <spayne> mgalvin: also, do i need to test the instructions on hoary or is there no point?
[07:17] <mgalvin> diff people will always want diff solutions, go ahead and mention banshee (its a nice app)
[07:17] <spayne> it is a Cleanup doc
[07:17] <spayne> and Burgvandia said to test it out
[07:18] <mgalvin> spayne, bashee is not available in hoary iirc, just make sure you mention that banshee is only available in >= breezy
[07:18] <spayne> i know
[07:18] <spayne> i will def. mention that
[07:18] <spayne> but do i need to install Hoary on an old machine to test things out
[07:18] <spayne> but with such little time to Breezy, it is there any point
[07:19] <mgalvin> i would say don't bother testing on hoary, besides if someone really wants it to work on hoary they are free to add it themselves
[07:19] <spayne> thanks
[07:20] <mgalvin> np
[07:20] <mgalvin> :)
[07:20] <spayne> so i will change to doc for gtkpod and banshee but mention it has been breezified
[07:21] <mgalvin> yea, i would say that is fine, hoary info can always be added later if needed
[07:43] <spayne> mgalvin: when it the next meeting?
[08:05] <mgalvin> spayne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamMeetingAgenda


[01:41] <OerHeks> after today, XP and VISTA are dead, no more browsers :-D
[01:41] <OerHeks> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/03/final-firefox-version-with-windows-xp-plugin-support-released-today/
[01:44] <daftykins> not a moment too soon
[02:59] <nicomachus> but a few years too late
[03:01] <daftykins> =]
[03:01] <daftykins> everyone kept giving XP users way too much charity
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:52] <OerHeks> tadaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[05:52] <OerHeks> hi lotus
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> hey OerHeks
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> lets c whats new in wikiland
[05:53] <OerHeks> I understand this is the 1st batch of vault7
[05:53] <OerHeks> hi hi
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: yep, more parts are comming
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> https://twitter.com/wikileaks
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/mozilla-firefox-52-0-lands-in-all-supported-ubuntu-linux-oses-update-now-513674.shtml
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> and .66 kernel
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> jesus its noob nightmare today :p
[07:13] <daftykins> =]
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[07:17] <daftykins> mornin'
[07:39] <ducasse> good morning all
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: crazytux has been spamming again under wildpenguin
[07:44] <ducasse> fantastic.
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> brb breakfast guys
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> :p
[08:22] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> hi there Wirehunter
[11:01] <Wirehunter> lotuspsychje, Hi
[11:36] <BluesKaj> HI all
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[11:48] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[18:40] <Bashing-om> Back on .,. Are we seeing any additional flack from the Firefox upgrade to -52 ? I see no problem here .
[18:41] <OerHeks> Me too .. but i use no firefox :-D
[18:42] <Bashing-om> Well, I be a chrome devotee .. but on this install was FireFox by default . thought to give FF another chance .
[18:43] <OerHeks> one good thing .. flash is dead
[18:43] <OerHeks> .. and 52 is the last FF for XP and Vista ..
[18:46] <Bashing-om> Now that OerHeks is a good thing ! I a, forunate that I my uses I never was greatly dependent on flash . However, flash/graphic's-issues did drive my other half back to Windows :(
[18:52] <OerHeks> So far no issues here, i can play 2 movies at the same time, 2 monitors ..
[18:53] <OerHeks> ( not sure why i want that, but i can)
[19:00] <Bashing-om> Pushing the boudries of possibilities :)
[19:00] <Bashing-om> boundries*
[19:05] <nicomachus> boundaries*
[19:06]  * Bashing-om might could do with another cup .
[22:42] <Bashing-om> !pinning
[22:54] <OerHeks> most silly evening with support, Bashing-om
[22:55] <nacc> it feels like a rough day
[22:55] <daftykins> \o
[22:55] <nacc> lots of inane questions
[22:55] <daftykins> hey all
[22:55] <daftykins> oh? what like?
[22:55] <OerHeks> just be a mirror: fix it!
[22:55]  * nacc refocuses on his udd replacement :)
[22:55] <nacc> daftykins: just lots of things not really ubuntu related, it seems like
[22:56] <OerHeks> They all perfectly know how they enter this mess ... but asking 'is there a tool to do this' ... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkConfigurationCommandLine/Automatic
[22:56] <nacc> OerHeks: right
[22:56] <nacc> or the person earlier asking how to add a eth1 to their system
[22:56] <nacc> because they want to do OVS + sFlow
[22:56] <nacc> if you know enough about networking to setup OVS and don't understand why that's not a sensible question, i don't understand where to start even
[22:57] <OerHeks> even 105'C is normal for these days for i7
[22:57] <OerHeks> :-D
[22:59] <Bashing-om> Please do not yell at me because you do not know - I am just an innocent bystander here ; huh :)
[22:59] <OerHeks> no no no, we are members, and know all about it
[23:01] <Bashing-om> " I want to know ubuntu developmemt, can you teach me " . Now this in one hour please caise I am in a hurry .
[23:01] <Bashing-om> because*
[23:02] <daftykins> lol
[23:02] <OerHeks> some even try: mail me the answer, i have to go!
[23:02] <daftykins> must be university dissertation season
[23:02] <Bashing-om> daftykins: And this is not even a Friday !
[23:05] <daftykins> :D
[23:25] <OerHeks> Silence .. or i kill you!
[23:27] <OerHeks> .. wait for it ..
[23:27]  * daftykins waits
[23:30] <Bashing-om> and me continues to wait .. patience --- patience .. wait for it .. wait ........
[23:37] <OerHeks> I feel so happy today .. http://imgur.com/a/NpP77
[23:37] <OerHeks> 1999 :-D
[23:38] <nacc> OerHeks: excellent
[23:38] <daftykins> haha
[23:39] <OerHeks> 'with cd' is wrong, or i must have overlooked the trash
[23:39] <Bashing-om> someone has been visiting the storage shed :P


[08:49] <pdk_knight> First time using irc. Any one please help on edubuntu menu profiles
[08:51] <alkisg> pdk_knight: hi, on saturdays not a lot of people monitor irc, so you may want to try on a weekday instead
[09:15] <pdk_knight> Thanks will do


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 https://matterbridge.thomas-ward.net/0efc567d/file_212.jpg
 wait, what? The 'old' Unity that was part of standard ubuntu?
 yep, it's using Unity7 (which is now being actively development) (re @MrkiMike: wait, what? The 'old' Unity that was part of standard ubuntu?)
 Congrats ...well done! (re @rs2009: )
 thanks! :) (re @Leokolb: Congrats ...well done!)
[19:04] <luna> Ubuntu 22.10 is now listed on ubuntu.com
 https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.10/ubuntu-22.10-desktop-amd64.iso
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[19:46] <Eickmeyer> @bittin1 PLEASE DO NOT DO THAT.


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[00:03] <bkerensa> ?
[01:05] <MrChrisDruif> You were surprised by something bkerensa ?
[01:10] <mcbaine1> MrChrisDruif, Nice rig ! :: http://goo.gl/jWYpf
[01:13] <mcbaine1> MrChrisDruif, nightie night .. -_-
[07:52] <dholbach> good morning
[16:59]  * Silverlion waves
[17:28] <pleia2> summary day! need lots :)
[17:52] <akgraner> pleia2, whatever isn't finished when I end my day  - I'll tackle or review depending on the status of the summaries
[17:53] <pleia2> thanks akgraner
[19:53] <pleia2> akgraner: btw, ubuntu.com/news still goes to canonical news
[20:46] <Silverlion> hey there ...
[23:41] <akgraner> pleia2, hmm they said it was fixed
[23:41] <akgraner> I'll re-open the RT ticket
[23:42] <pleia2> I never actually saw it working, I was hoping it was just taking time to "update the caches" but it's been 5 days
[23:42] <akgraner> nods


[03:25] <dax> Pici: 02:19 < lotuspsychje> dax: http://ubottu.com/y/shortcuts results in blank page from !hotkeys
[03:25] <dax> is that a you thing
[03:31] <Unit193> dax: I'd say that page is dead, /xx works.
[06:31] <Unit193> No crap.
[06:32] <dax> Unit193: this is a pm
[06:32] <Unit193> LIES!
[06:32] <dax> Unit193: it is though :(
[06:33] <Unit193> My irssi is messed up. :(
[12:48] <Pici> dax: the credentials for that thing are in ops-team's topic.
[15:07] <dax> i logged in and it said "YOURLS version 1.7.1 is available. Please update!" lol
[15:11] <Pici> :[
[15:24] <dax> !shortcuts =~ s,ubottu.com.*$,www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=2209015&seqNum=3
[15:24] <dax> !shortcuts =~ s,ubottu.com.*$,www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=2209015&seqNum=3,
[15:24] <dax> !shortcuts
[15:24] <dax> yays
[15:24] <Pici> (upgraded to 1.7.1 btw)


[00:08] <mapps> hmm
[00:08] <mapps> i really dont go far and gibs small
[00:09] <mapps> havent been to spain for absolutely ages:)
[00:09] <mapps> finally registerring for my id card tomorrow, would be cool if i could travel on it
[03:36] <m0nkey_> TIL that Falcon 9 has a users guide you can download .. http://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/falcon_9_users_guide_rev_2.0.pdf
[07:43] <knightwise> mownin
[08:28] <popey> *yawn*
[08:28] <popey> morning
[08:49] <foobarry> realised i'd never had the tooth fairy discussion with the missis
[08:49] <zmoylan-pi> be careful everyone, it's monday out there...
[09:05] <diplo> Morning all
[09:07] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:43] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Monday, and happy Martin Luther King Jr. Day! 😃
[09:48] <zmoylan-pi> and not to the american police station that opened their gun range for people to use on martin luther king day...
[10:01] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:09] <mapps> hola
[10:10] <brobostigon> hi mapps
[10:13] <mapps> hey mate
[10:13] <mapps> you ok
[10:18] <brobostigon> could be worse, could be better.
[10:20] <zmoylan-pi> so... you _didn't_ win the lottery we take it... :-)
[10:30] <mapps> :D
[10:33] <brobostigon> if only,
[10:48] <davmor2> JamesTait: I got you covered bro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avbNOjCOHJE
[10:52] <davmor2> See I do know music from this decade, where's popey when you want to rub it in :D
[11:04] <zmoylan-pi> off rubbing ointmnt into his bunions... :-P
[13:13] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: cheesy bunions! (that's a nice flavour of crisp!)
[13:13] <diddledan> the blue packet of Walkers
[14:15] <DJones> Nice, new Doom level released http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35343089
[14:15] <DJones> Created by the the original creator
[14:29] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/BBCTech/status/689091591458451458
[14:32] <davmor2> diddledan: did people actually use it?
[14:33] <diddledan> for small values of use, yes I did.. or rather: I was signed-up and then did nothing
[14:34] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_Reunited
[14:34] <zmoylan-pi> sold and then valued at less than what was paid for it.  a proper social network :-)
[14:36] <zmoylan-pi> but closing down instead of selling it back to the original owner for a pittance would be extra social network points... :-)
[15:45] <SuperMatt> Crikey, I forgot that Friends Reunited even existed
[15:46] <davmor2> and that is why it has shut down :)
[15:48] <zmoylan-pi> but but... you have no friends... :-P
[15:52] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: not everyone is like you, so of us know and see real people :P
[15:52] <davmor2> s/so/some
[15:53]  * zmoylan-pi reports davmor2 for halucinating again and summons the men in white coats with butterfly nets... :-P
[15:56]  * davmor2 shows the men the photographic evidence and they go away (Fooled them again \o/)
[15:57] <zmoylan-pi> that rubber stamp 'sane' is a godsend to mark the back of your hand...
[15:58] <davmor2> no it's the photo of the certificate that says I'm sane  no idea how I got away with that I can only assume it was a good day :)
[15:59] <zmoylan-pi> bermuda school of psychiatry and scuba diving approved...
[16:03] <diplo> Any of you guys use logstash
[16:03] <diplo> ?
[16:03] <diplo> Just watched a couple of vids, seems good, debating playing
[16:07] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[16:08] <davmor2> diplo: no
[16:13] <diddledan> diplo: it does look good. I keep meaning to investigate it
[16:14] <diddledan> it’s a shame that it doesn’t do magic like splunk does to create fields
[16:17] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: not morning. no way. it's home time
[16:17] <SuperMatt> either that or I've worked really hard today
[16:17] <bigcalm> Home time?!
[16:17] <bigcalm> Gah
[16:17] <SuperMatt> which is very unlikely
[16:17] <diddledan> :-o
[16:17] <diddledan> I would go home, except, I’m already there
[16:20] <diplo> diddledan: I believe you can do matching in the configs, does splunk do it automagically though ?
[16:21] <diddledan> diplo: yeah, splunk invents fields on-the-fly
[16:21] <diplo> Opensource too ?
[16:21] <diddledan> alas, no
[16:22] <diplo> hahah well that's my company out :D
[19:24] <diddledan> lol, check the processor on these specs: https://ting.com/shop/Alcatel-OneTouch-Fling-New-CDMA
[19:26] <m0nkey_> hahah
[19:26] <m0nkey_> totally has one!
[19:26] <diddledan> :-p
[19:27] <foobarry> diplo: yes we use logstash
[19:27] <foobarry> ELK
[19:27] <diddledan> there’s a road-worthyness check called “the elk test"
[19:27] <davmor2> diddledan: nice maybe Ubuntu Phone should start doing that just Processor: Yes :)
[19:27] <foobarry> elastic search - logstash - kibana
[21:49] <Myrtti> Guest60986: http://freenode.net/sasl/
[23:48] <mapps> hi all


[07:06] <praisethemoon> good morning o/
[08:44] <elacheche> Morning
[10:08] <praisethemoon> elacheche, guten tag!
[10:16] <elacheche> Guten Morgin praisethemoon, Wie geht's?
[10:16] <elacheche> Bonjour nizarus :)
[10:16] <praisethemoon> ich bin but, und Du?
[10:16] <praisethemoon> qsdqsdqsd
[10:16] <praisethemoon> i messed up :'(
[10:17] <praisethemoon> that's what happens when you stay late at night coding and you have work the day after :(
[10:17] <nizarus> salam elacheche & all
[10:18] <pavlushka>  praisethemoon missing something?
[10:19] <praisethemoon> pavlushka, yeah
[10:19] <praisethemoon> some sleep
[10:19] <praisethemoon> :(
[10:19] <pavlushka> praisethemoon: and probably the cloak too
[10:19] <pavlushka> Hello nizarus :)
[10:20] <praisethemoon> oh xD
[10:20] <pavlushka> XD
[10:20] <praisethemoon> that was the consequence of the main thing i was missing (sleep)
[10:20] <praisethemoon> life can be complicated sometimes ..
[10:21] <pavlushka> since when coz I am noticing that for few days
[10:26] <pavlushka> praisethemoon: you can use SASL option in your client for networks :)
[10:26] <pavlushka> so that you dont have to do it everytime manually :)
[10:28] <pavlushka> praisethemoon: now I am feeling sleepy, lets see who's first!
[10:28] <praisethemoon> pavlushka, what time is there?
[10:28]  * pavlushka on a siesta
[10:28] <pavlushka> 4.28 PM
[10:32] <praisethemoon> :'(
[10:32] <praisethemoon> omg
[10:32] <praisethemoon> 11am here
[10:32] <praisethemoon> :'(
[10:32] <praisethemoon> wanna swap counties?
[10:45] <pavlushka> lol
[11:27] <praisethemoon> ichihi, hello :)
[11:27] <ichihi> praisethemoon, Salam
[11:27] <praisethemoon> ichihi, how are you today?
[11:28] <ichihi> praisethemoon, al-hamdu lillah, doing well.
[11:29] <praisethemoon> good to hear that
[14:09] <elacheche> pavlushka: http://www.linuxhints.co.uk/
[14:13] <pavlushka> wow, thank you elacheche :)
[14:20] <elacheche> :)
[14:25] <elacheche> nizarus: https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html#
[14:32] <elacheche> "I often connect in a person's home. The person of course knows who I am, but that does not bother me. What I would object to is putting my identity in a database that can be searched. I prevent that by changing my mac address at each location." #rms x)
[14:58] <nizarus> il est "particulier" ce rms
[15:03] <elacheche> :D x) I loved that article :D
[19:06] <praisethemoon> hello o/


[01:36] <astroo-> How to Shield Your Calls, Chats, and Internet Browsing From Government Surveillance    http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2013/06/07/how_to_secure_and_encrypt_your_email_and_other_communications_from_prism.html
[04:10] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[21:01] <astroo-> ola pessoal
[21:02] <tcarrondo> ola
[21:04] <astroo-> ola
[21:06] <tcarrondo> tudo bem contigo?
[21:09] <astroo-> tudo e contigo?
[21:20] <tcarrondo> também
[23:00] <astroo-> PRISM: Europe reacts to U.S. surveillance revelations with anger   http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/08/prism-europe-reacts-to-u-s-surveillance-revelations-with-anger/


[01:18] <siva> I am trying to deploy my charms and I find that the machine creation itself has not succeeded
[01:18] <siva> it is showing the 'pending' state
[01:18] <siva> How do I debug this problem?
[01:19] <siva> What can be the issue?
[01:19] <siva> MAAS2.0 UI shows that the status of the machine is 'Deployed'
[01:20] <siva> MACHINE   STATE    DNS            INS-ID   SERIES  AZ 0         pending  <IP_ADDRESS>  4y3hkh   trusty  default
[01:21] <siva> The above state is there for hours
[01:21] <siva> Any help to debug this is much appreciated
[01:38] <bildz> hey I'm having an issue with conjure-up on xenial.  I have 5 machines allocated for MAAS (1) and Openstack (4).  Maas works great and I can conjure-openstack, but im having an issue with it wanting another host and there isnt one for neutron.  Do I need 5 openstack machines, instead of the 4 the previous one could work with?
[01:42] <bildz> http://pastebin.com/ZfDciFgM
[01:42] <stokachu> bildz: so 1 machine is always created for the 'controller' or 'juju admin' node
[01:42] <stokachu> so if the bundle requires 5 machines that means you need at least 6
[01:43] <bildz> I'm assuming thats the bundle requirement
[01:44] <stokachu> bildz: yea
[01:45] <bildz> stokachu: where would i have read that?
[01:46] <bildz> I can barely find install information for 2.0-rc1
[01:46] <stokachu> bildz: jujucharms.com
[01:47] <stokachu> we use https://jujucharms.com/openstack-base/ for conjure-up
[01:47] <stokachu> juju docs https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/getting-started
[01:47] <bildz> thank you
[01:48] <bildz> thankfully, i have another to get me through the install, but i've been playing around with the cli commands and am getting familiar with managing the deployment
[01:48] <stokachu> :)
[07:07] <KpuCko> can somebody help me with container stuck in error/pending state?
[07:08] <KpuCko> i have machine which hosting kvm container (this juju says) so i want to remove role from this server
[07:08] <KpuCko> how to do that? how to fix services on the host machine which is in broken state?
[07:22] <spaok> juju resolved, but if you want it retry the last hook use juju resolved -r  then the name
[07:22] <spaok> KpuCko: ^^
[07:23] <KpuCko> spaok http://pastebin.com/BBkFtA4D
[07:23] <KpuCko> i don't know anythink for this machine: 11
[07:23] <KpuCko> how to recognize it?
[07:25] <spaok> so, typically that happens when you run a add or deploy command it didn't match one of the other nodes
[07:25] <spaok> it's trying to add a new one
[07:25] <spaok> you can juju remove-machine 11 --force
[07:26] <KpuCko> mhm, command runs fine, but result is the same
[07:27] <KpuCko> oh sorry, i have to wait some time after im running juju status again
[07:27] <spaok> ya
[07:27] <spaok> its a queue like system
[07:27] <KpuCko> thanks a lot
[07:27] <spaok> np, that happens a lot :)
[07:28] <spaok> if your testing stuff, using --to against one of your machine ID's will help
[07:29] <KpuCko> yeah, yeah im working with juju gui
[07:30] <KpuCko> but i'm trying to learn how to debug hooks
[07:30] <KpuCko> how to fix them, etc
[07:30] <KpuCko> many thanks for the help
[08:53] <magicaltrout> alrighty, signed off to talk Juju at Pentaho Community event this year.... better sort out some more travel
[09:34] <spaok> does anyone know a charm that uses the current python-basic template? trying to get a feel for writing a charm
[09:38] <magicaltrout> there is a python basic template?
[09:38] <magicaltrout> what you looking at spaok ?
[09:39] <marosg> Hi, I am very new to Juju. I was following https://www.stgraber.org/2016/06/06/lxd-2-0-lxd-and-juju-1012/   and I am getting an error when bootstrapping controller
[09:39] <marosg> test@lxd:~$ sudo apt install juju
[09:39] <marosg> [sudo] password for test:
[09:39] <marosg> Reading package lists... Done
[09:39] <marosg> Building dependency tree
[09:39] <marosg> Reading state information... Done
[09:39] <marosg> The following additional packages will be installed:
[09:39] <marosg>   distro-info juju-2.0
[09:40] <spaok> magicaltrout: its part of the charm create command
[09:41] <spaok> marosg: that should work, that's the error?
[09:42] <spaok> This post assumes that you already have LXD 2.0 installed
[09:42] <spaok> you got that?
[09:42] <marosg> yes, LXD is working
[09:42] <spaok> there's a bug with images, not sure if they fixed it
[09:42] <spaok> might be that
[09:43] <spaok> try sudo lxc image copy ubuntu:16.04 local: --alias ubuntu-xenial
[09:44] <magicaltrout> ah just the default stuff spaok ?
[09:44] <magicaltrout> most charms start with it
[09:44] <magicaltrout> I've got some basic-ish stuff kicking around hold on
[09:44] <spaok> ya, just reading about the services framework
[09:45] <spaok> be nice to see a current example
[09:45] <magicaltrout> https://github.com/buggtb/layer-mesos-master/blob/master/reactive/layer_mesos.py
[09:45] <magicaltrout> thats a simple one
[09:45] <spaok> cool, thanks
[09:46] <magicaltrout> https://github.com/buggtb/layer-drillbit/blob/master/reactive/drillbit.py
[09:46] <magicaltrout> there's a slightly more complex or messy one
[09:46] <magicaltrout> depending how you look at it ;)
[09:48] <marosg> spaok, thanks, looks like it did the trick
[09:48] <spaok> marosg: np, I ran into that one also, I just pull the image now as ubuntu-xenial as part of my deployments
[10:10] <marcoceppi> spaok: you need to update your version of charm
[10:10] <marcoceppi> python-basic isn't the best template, python-reactive is
[10:11] <spaok> ok
[10:11] <marcoceppi> spaok: if you `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:juju/stable` and upgrade charm and charm-tools you'll get a better experience
[10:12] <magicaltrout> ah that explains my confusion
[10:12]  * magicaltrout didn't use python pre reactive
[10:13] <spaok> I looked at https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/tools-charm-tools
[10:13] <spaok> and http://pythonhosted.org/charmhelpers/getting-started.html
[10:13] <magicaltrout> read 2.0 docs
[10:13] <magicaltrout> they are
[10:13] <magicaltrout> fail
[10:14] <spaok> hah, ya, I've had a lot of problems with things in 2.0 docs
[10:15] <marcoceppi> s/fail/in progress/ :P
[10:15] <spaok> fair enough
[10:16] <magicaltrout> sorry i was referring to my comment
[10:16] <magicaltrout> not the docs
[10:16] <magicaltrout> as I said read 2.0 without clicking the link as I read stable :)
[10:16] <magicaltrout> said/read
[10:16] <spaok> ya, the ones I was looking at don't really change between stable and dev
[10:17] <magicaltrout> coffee clearly didn't have the desired effect this morning
[10:17] <spaok> heh, its 3am here
[10:17] <magicaltrout> yeah i don't think charm build has changed much if at all
[10:17] <magicaltrout> west coaster
[10:17] <spaok> yar
[10:17] <magicaltrout> where abouts?
[10:17] <spaok> san jose
[10:18] <spaok> heart of silicon valley pretty much
[10:18] <magicaltrout> ah very nice
[10:18] <magicaltrout> took a drive up that way when I was out in Pasadena last week
[10:18] <spaok> nice
[10:19] <spaok> some nice beach roads
[10:19] <magicaltrout> indeed
[10:19] <magicaltrout> nice part of the world
[10:20] <spaok> this current?
[10:20] <spaok> charm 2.2.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04.1~ppa2
[10:20] <spaok> charm-tools 2.1.4
[10:21] <spaok> cause no template found for python-reactive
[10:21] <magicaltrout> more current than mine
[10:21] <magicaltrout> don't you just run "charm create"?
[10:22] <spaok> wasn't sure, I saw different things about using -t python, or -t python-basic
[10:22] <spaok> I can create it
[10:22] <magicaltrout> na
[10:22] <spaok> s/create/try/
[10:22] <magicaltrout>  charm create mycharm
[10:22] <magicaltrout> then i see
[10:22] <magicaltrout> INFO: Using default charm template (reactive-python). To select a different template, use the -t option.
[10:22] <magicaltrout> which is what you want
[10:23] <spaok> kk, ya
[10:23] <spaok> ok, now to figure out how to populate it
[10:23] <magicaltrout> before you build it
[10:23] <magicaltrout> make sure you have the environment vars set
[10:23] <magicaltrout> else you'll end up build stuff wonky
[10:24] <magicaltrout> JUJU_REPOSITORY etc
[10:24] <spaok> for local repo?
[10:24] <magicaltrout> yeah it'll stomp on your charm if you aren't careful
[10:24] <spaok> ok
[10:24] <magicaltrout> you have to build before deploying or pushing to the charmstore
[10:25] <magicaltrout> so JUJU_REPOSITORY INFERFACE_PATH and LAYER_PATH
[10:25] <magicaltrout> need setting
[10:25] <spaok> cd
[10:29] <spaok> ok, I'm going to mess with this some more in the day light, thanks for the help magicaltrout and marcoceppi, gives me a good starting place
[10:29] <magicaltrout> no problem
[10:29] <magicaltrout> swing back round in the afternoon and more clued up people are around
[12:30] <MrDan> hello
[12:30] <MrDan> if I shutdown physical mahcines on which i have juju units as LXDs, when I boot up the machines again, the LXDs should come up themselves, right?
[12:32] <magicaltrout> I don't believe that is the case although I've never tried
[12:36] <marcoceppi> MrDan: they should
[12:38]  * marcoceppi powers off a node in maas to test
[12:39] <rick_h_> MrDan: yes, they should come back up
[12:39] <rick_h_> MrDan: I do it on my laptop all the time, but not tried it on a maas server
[12:48] <magicaltrout> booo i'm 0 for 2 today
[12:48] <magicaltrout> someone else the other day said theirs weren't coming back up
[12:49] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: it could be a bug
[12:49] <magicaltrout> surely not?
[12:49] <marcoceppi> but the agent should bring back not just the workload on the machine, but also the containers (if any)
[12:50] <rick_h_> +1, definitely it should
[12:50] <magicaltrout> fair enough
[12:50] <magicaltrout> sounds sensible ;)
[12:51] <magicaltrout> i'm still waiting for my kickstarter stuff to finally have a way to test MAAS properly
[12:51] <magicaltrout> looking forward to it
[12:52] <rick_h_> kickstarter stuff?
[12:52] <magicaltrout> http://www.udoo.org/udoo-x86/
[12:52] <magicaltrout> bought a bunch of these
[12:53] <magicaltrout> altough they now have 32GB ram not 8
[12:54] <magicaltrout> if they arrive before i'm due to demo Juju at the Pentaho meetup this year I'm gonna take them and do a "MAAS" big data deployment
[12:54] <rick_h_> ah nice
[12:54] <zeestrat> Cool stuff. Do they have some sort of management interface so they can be managed by MAAS?
[12:55] <magicaltrout> you mean powerwise zeestrat ?
[12:55] <zeestrat> magicaltrout: Yes.
[12:56] <magicaltrout> dunno, good question
[12:56] <MrDan> Hi, testing now beta18 for the neutron-gateway issues
[12:57] <magicaltrout> the maas docs are a bit of a black hole
[12:57] <rick_h_> MrDan: k, the team's landing that fix today for the rc2 tomorrow as well so please watch for that to help you get back to rc
[12:59] <magicaltrout> looks like there might be ipmi support zeestrat
[13:00] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout zeestrat if there's IMPI it'll work for sure with maas
[13:00] <zeestrat> magicaltrout: Then you are probably good to go. The MAAS docs aren't too bad. There's a list of power driver capabilities here: http://maas.io/docs/manage-power
[13:00] <magicaltrout> yeah
[13:00] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: I know a guy who built a BMC with an arduino for raspberry pis. A lightweight restful api that would power on one of the GPIO pins to turn on or off an RPI
[13:00] <magicaltrout> the problem with the docs is where they land on google
[13:00] <magicaltrout> they don't seem to get indexed
[13:01] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: yeah, getting google juice has always been...a struggle for us on some of our properties
[13:01] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: I gave up googling and just go to the source, or use `site:jujucharms.com` or `site:maas.io`
[13:02] <marcoceppi> maas.io is pretty new compared to maas.ubuntu.com
[13:02] <magicaltrout> yeah but you google maas and you end up at maas.ubuntu.com but then maas.io is listed lower down but only the landing page
[13:02] <magicaltrout> which is weird
[13:03] <magicaltrout> anyway.... yeah these boards have an arduino built into them which is pretty crazy
[13:03] <magicaltrout> interesting to see what you can do with an X86 board with an Arduino 101 on them
[13:03] <MrDan> rick_h: it works, the neturon gateway services are installed
[13:04] <rick_h_> MrDan: cool, hope that unblocks you until rc2.
[13:04] <MrDan> yep
[13:04] <MrDan> tomorrow rc2 is out on ppa?
[13:04] <rick_h_> MrDan: yes, that's the plan
[13:05] <MrDan> cool
[13:24] <rock> Hi. We developed a "cinder storage driver"  charm. In this charm we are using "subordinateconfigcontext" to pass configuration values to cinder.conf. [I mean to modify the cinder.conf  charm]. we followed https://github.com/openstack/charm-cinder/blob/master/templates/mitaka/cinder.conf
[13:26] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: did we have the ability to list/etc plugins before? I don't see it in the command lists but curious how we missed this when doing the cli stuff
[13:26] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: `juju-1.0 help plugins`
[13:27] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: it was a help topic, but I don't see why it wouldn't be list-plugins today
[13:28] <rock> Similary, Using the same charm we need to modify the nova.conf. We need to add use_multipath_option: true/false.
[13:28] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: gotcha, ok yea. I was trying to see why we didn't have any plugin based commands make it into the new cli planning
[13:28] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: but if it was under help we probably just missed it
[13:29] <marcoceppi> rock: there is a way to do that without modifying the nova charm, but I don't remember what that is
[13:29] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: I can build a `juju list-plugins` plugin, but it won't show up in help ;)
[13:29] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: lol yea
[13:29] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: which brings up an interesting point
[13:29] <marcoceppi> should `help commands` show plugins as well ;)
[13:30] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: yea, replying to your email thinking that through
[13:30] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: cool, thanks
[13:30] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: if plugins is a noun in the juju-verse...what all does that mean.
[13:30] <marcoceppi> you can list-plugins or `juju plugins` which are aliases
[13:30] <rick_h_> list, show, add/remove is done automatically via install. What's the command to get to a list of available plugins to install?
[13:30] <marcoceppi> but I wonder about register-plugin
[13:30] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: that kind of stuff
[13:30] <marcoceppi> where you whitelist the plugin so it shows up in commands
[13:31] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: hmm, not sure about that one
[13:31] <marcoceppi> but that's a feature, listing plugins is parity
[13:31] <marcoceppi> well, add-plugin, probably not register-plugin
[13:31] <marcoceppi> fwiw, plugins still work
[13:31] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: yea, tbh as a whole this will have to fall into a 2.0.1 atm
[13:31] <marcoceppi> pfft, PATCH RELEASE?
[13:31] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: exactly, we've got bugs of things that don't work that we need to get fixed for GA with it coming down to rc2 tomorrow and then a little gap for GA
[13:31] <marcoceppi> jk, that sounds good
[13:32] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: so will file a bug and link it in my email reply
[13:32] <marcoceppi> ta
[13:32] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: I made sure to cc the -dev list ;)
[13:32] <rock> marcoceppi: OK. I have a question. To modify nova.conf we are trying to use https://github.com/openstack/charm-nova-compute/blob/master/templates/mitaka/nova.conf.
[13:33] <marcoceppi> rock: I imagine #openstack-charms would be a better room, a lot of good openstack charm knowledge there
[13:33] <rock> marcoceppi: OK. Thank you.
[14:35] <aisrael> tvansteenburgh: I know I asked this recently, but wrt python-jujuclient, can we get a new release with the 2.0 rc1 support? A PPA won't work, in this case, because it's being run from fedora
[14:36] <tvansteenburgh> aisrael: i'll do that now
[14:36] <aisrael> tvansteenburgh: thanks!
[14:41] <tvansteenburgh> aisrael: uploaded
[14:41] <tvansteenburgh> (v0.53.3)
[14:41] <aisrael> excellent, thanks!
[15:04] <kwmonroe> hey rick_h_, if i add a user to my controller, and grant that person (let's call him tvansteenburgh) 'write' privileges to a model, should he be able to 'juju ssh X' into units of that model?
[15:05] <rick_h_> kwmonroe: you'll need to add his ssh key
[15:05] <rick_h_> kwmonroe: see juju add-ssh-key and such
[15:05] <rick_h_> kwmonroe: since he's not admin he can't manage keys and without a key, no access
[15:06] <kwmonroe> add-ssh-key?!?!?  rick_h_, you're the best.  i didn't know of such sorcery.
[15:06] <rick_h_> kwmonroe: let me know how it goes
[15:23] <pascalmazon> hi. Can I provide --resource foo=bar when deploying a bundle? how will it know what application it is for?
[15:29] <rick_h_> pascalmazon: sorry, bundles currently only support resources from the charmstore
[15:29] <rick_h_> pascalmazon: as you note, the bundle deployment scenario is a bit more complicated and was pushed past rev1 atm
[15:31] <pascalmazon> rick_h: ok, thanks for the info!
[16:18] <kwmonroe> hey beisner, suchvenu emailed mbruzek and i with some questions about the cinder charm (stuff like cinder for Z and cinder in lxd).  who is the best contact for those?  or would it be better to ask on the juju ML?
[16:30] <kwmonroe> (stand down beisner ^^; we got the routing sorted)
[17:33] <beisner> woot thx kwmonroe
[18:10] <tvansteenburgh> rick_h_: is there any way to tell `juju ssh` which key to offer?
[18:12] <rick_h_> tvansteenburgh: hmm, with juju scp you can specify args to the underlying scp functionality with a --, but I think we redid juju ssh in a OS agnostic way.
[18:13] <rick_h_> tvansteenburgh: so honestly not sure, will have to ask around/look and see if I can see anything in the code
[18:14] <tvansteenburgh> rick_h_: ok. right now i'm in a situation where i have to rename my keys to get juju ssh to work
[18:15] <tvansteenburgh> rick_h_: should i file a bug about that
[18:15] <tvansteenburgh> ?
[18:15] <rick_h_> tvansteenburgh: yes please. Will see if there's a flag that's just not in help/etc
[18:15] <tvansteenburgh> rick_h_: roger, thanks
[18:16] <rick_h_> mgz: around? you were just in ssh-key land recently. any ideas on ^
[18:23] <rick_h_> tvansteenburgh: looking at https://goo.gl/0q2KWq
[18:23] <rick_h_> tvansteenburgh: looks like not supported :(
[18:25] <tvansteenburgh> rick_h_: ack, thanks for looking
[18:28] <rick_h_> bdx_: heads up, comment/etc coming in on https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1627554
[18:28] <mup> Bug #1627554: juju binary broken on sierra <juju:Triaged by jamesbeedy> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627554>
[18:28] <rick_h_> bdx_: let me know if you're up for seeing it through or want to punt.
[18:50] <junaidali> Hi, i'm getting error 'ERROR unrecognized command:' for charm publish command. any idea?
[18:51] <junaidali> charm * packages version: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23247897/
[18:59] <lazyPower> junaidali: the command changed to charm release
[19:00] <junaidali> thanks lazyPower. I missed the latest update
[19:12] <marcoceppi> lazyPower junaidali I'm adding a silent plugin to the next charm snap, where charm publish is just an alias to charm release
[19:29] <beisner> wait what, is the next charm tools command for publishing changing?
[19:31] <beisner> we've got automation on that, will need to know when that will affect stable users (deb)
[19:40] <firl> lazyPower, congrats on getting kubernetes enterprise support ready!
[19:41] <firl> I had a question around it when you get a moment
[19:41] <lazyPower> firl: sure, i'm in/out but whats up?
[19:42] <firl> I saw the kibana / es / filebeat configuration with kube, awesome!
[19:42] <firl> is there a way to expose services yet like gce?
[19:44] <lazyPower> firl: we ship with an nginx reverse proxy, there's a demo action of microbots
[19:44] <lazyPower> it has limited support for sockets, i'm still working to make that easier
[19:44] <firl> gotcha, I remember that being an issue
[19:44] <lazyPower> i want to add an action that will let you pick from pre-configured ingress LB's and specify a namespace and it "just works" after that
[19:44] <firl> Gotcha, yes that would be wonderful
[19:45] <gQuigs> are there daily builds available for juju 1.25?
[19:45] <lazyPower> so we're 1/2 way there with whats in there :)
[19:45] <firl> yeah, sounds awesome
[19:45] <lazyPower> gQuigs: not daily, 2.0 is what would be in daily
[19:45] <lazyPower> firl: i'm highly interested in your return feedback this go around, please capture it for us
[19:45] <firl> yeah, I will try it out in Openstack
[19:45] <lazyPower> firl: if there's *anything* yinz need over there in the short term beta cycle, i want to get that captured.
[19:45] <firl> I am considering if I need to try it on bare metal
[19:45] <lazyPower> well your networking will be pokey
[19:46] <gQuigs> lazyPower: right, but 1.25 is still maintained and I'd like to try a fix that's committed but not released
[19:46] <lazyPower> overlay in an overlay and all that
[19:46] <firl> do I need juju 2 for it?
[19:46] <firl> yeah the docker config would need to have 1404 mtu
[19:46] <lazyPower> firl: yeah, i def need that feedback of your network findings when deployed in openstack
[19:46] <lazyPower> i'm probably going to have to expose some of the guts of the container rumtime for configuration there
[19:46] <firl> cool. I have a few nodes to test it in
[19:47] <firl> whats the repo / guide again to get it going and I will try to test it this week
[19:47] <lazyPower> gQuigs: ah good point, try checking in #juju-dev
[19:47] <lazyPower> firl: the readme - jujucharms.com/canonical-kubernetes
[19:47] <gQuigs> will do, thanks
[19:49] <firl> lazyPower perfect, I will try it with an openstack overlay. If it’s working enough I might put it on a couple bare metal machines.
[19:50] <firl> does nodeport work through the juju overlay also?
[19:50] <firl> or do i have to do a nginx reverse
[19:52] <thumper> lazyPower: hey there
[19:52] <lazyPower> if you want to do nodeport, you'll need to manually open the ports for now
[19:52] <lazyPower> any worker can perform as a reverse proxy for both nodeport and for ingress
[19:52] <lazyPower> thumper: yo
[19:55] <lazyPower> firl: but our recommendation is to use the ingress controller so its encapsulated. for the workdloads that demand nodeport, like a znc bouncer, we'll have to brianstorm and make that better
[19:55] <firl> im just thinking through if i wanted to have socket support
[19:55] <firl> but this is all awsome, nice job!
[19:56] <lazyPower> firl: https://github.com/kubernetes/contrib/tree/master/ingress/controllers/nginx
[19:56] <lazyPower> its pretty extensive
[19:56] <lazyPower> i mean you can throw kubelego as a pod on the ingress and get free tls with letsencrypt
[19:57] <lazyPower> but thats the LB we shipped with for beta. it has the biggest portfolio of supported options without compromising support through advanced configuration.
[19:57] <firl> yeah
[19:57] <firl> currently I have an ssl secret with a single ssl proxy node that just acts as a termination point
[19:57] <firl> just to get ssl so that might be a nice change of pace
[19:58] <lazyPower> lots of options
[19:58] <firl> ya, I will have to get a juju 2.0 environment working and test it out
[20:11] <kwmonroe> lazyPower: how often do you refresh your boot2docker/docker-machine?  my charmbox is kernel panic'ing more frequently these days, and i realize i haven't updated since 1.11.2
[20:40] <natefinch> lazyPower: is it me, or does the demo button here not work? https://jujucharms.com/canonical-kubernetes/
[20:41] <natefinch> lazyPower: I presume it's supposed to bring up the demo page with canonical-kubernetes deploying/deployed, right?  for me it just brings up an empty demo window
[20:41] <natefinch> lazyPower: it says "fetching bundle data" but then... nothing
[20:43] <rick_h_> natefinch: known issue, gui team is updating the gui to make it work
[20:47] <natefinch> rick_h_: ahh, good to know.  Sucks that it happened after the announcement
[20:48] <rick_h_> natefinch: yea
[21:52] <magicaltrout> Congratulations, and welcome to Apache: Big Data Europe! Your submission, "Highly Scalable Big Data Analytics with Apache Drill",  has been accepted
[21:52] <magicaltrout> Seville here I come
[21:53] <magicaltrout> kwmonroe we have some interesting shit to work on
[21:53] <magicaltrout> sorry stuff
[21:53] <magicaltrout> not allowed to swear
[21:56] <kwmonroe> right on magicaltrout!  i've always wanted to do Highly Scalable Big Data Analytics with Apache Drill ;)
[22:01] <magicaltrout> meh
[22:01] <magicaltrout> i detect irony
[22:01] <magicaltrout> well I can crack out the Big Top Stuff, Drill Stuff
[22:01] <magicaltrout> at ApacheCon
[22:02] <magicaltrout> I suspect it'll go down reasonably well and give me an excuse to have that upstream discussion
[22:05] <kwmonroe> magicaltrout: do you know if there's any work behind https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BIGTOP-2001?  it hasn't been updated in forever :/
[22:06] <kwmonroe> and from the drill side, even more foreverer: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DRILL-114
[22:06] <magicaltrout> they both seem like odd requests
[22:07] <magicaltrout> which is why they're probably both open
[22:07] <kwmonroe> i'm guessing they're requests for bigtop to take over drill builds (or at least pin build versions for a particular bigtop release)
[22:08] <magicaltrout> hmm, yeah but you can run Drill over anything in HDFS, Hive or HBase
[22:08] <magicaltrout> its not vendor specific
[22:10] <kwmonroe> at the summit, we talked about a hackathon with bigtop (c0s, specifically).  when that happens, i'll see if there is any movement in bringing drill under the bigtop umbrella.
[22:13] <magicaltrout> I don't see that happening
[22:13] <magicaltrout> MapR have their claws in Drill
[22:14] <magicaltrout> I also don't see the benifit but thats neither here nor there
[22:14] <magicaltrout> especially as drill queries a bunch of non hadoop stuff
[22:50] <spaok> magicaltrout: is there a list of layers or interfaces you can use?
[22:51] <magicaltrout> indeed spaok
[22:51] <magicaltrout> interfaces.juju.solutions
[22:52] <spaok> interesting
[22:52] <spaok> thanks
[22:56] <spaok> magicaltrout: sorry to bug ya, just wondering, if I want to write an interface, do I just make something in charms/interfaces? not sure the difference between charms/interfaces and charms/deps/interface
[23:00] <magicaltrout> no worries spaok i'm just trying to figure out where 150GB of non backedup science data has gone :)
[23:00] <magicaltrout> yeah you just put it into charms/interfaces
[23:00] <magicaltrout> no magic required there
[23:06] <lazyPower> spaok: https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/developer-layers-interfaces
[23:07] <spaok> lazyPower: thanks
[23:08] <spaok> https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/developer-layer-example
[23:08] <spaok> had a link to https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/charms-layers-interfaces/
[23:08] <spaok> which is 4040
[23:08] <spaok> s/4040/404/
[23:15] <lazyPower> spaok: thanks for reporting that https://github.com/juju/docs/pull/1411