[01:14] <Kr4t05> Oh...
[01:14] <Kr4t05> BTW
[01:15] <Kr4t05> unrecognized wireless request "essid_name"
[01:15] <cheeseboy> anyone ever ssh with x ?
[01:15] <Kr4t05> Sounds kinky,
[01:15] <Kr4t05> But, no.
[01:17] <steve___> chheseboy, do you mean create an ssh tunnel?
[01:18] <steve___> kr4t05 - 'sudo killall wpa_supplicant'
[01:19] <Kr4t05> no process killed
[01:20] <steve___> sudo iwlist wlan? scanning |grep -i ESSID
[01:20] <steve___> where ESSID is the name
[01:21] <Kr4t05> iwlist: unknown command `wlan?'
[01:22] <steve___> what is the name of your device?
[01:22] <steve___> wlan0
[01:22] <steve___> wlan1   ?
[01:22] <Kr4t05> Yep
[01:22] <steve___> change the ? to the number
[01:22] <Kr4t05> That' doesn't work, either.
[01:23] <steve___> did you use the '?' before?
[01:23] <Kr4t05> Yeah
[01:23] <steve___> *gasp*
[01:23] <steve___> :)
[01:23] <Kr4t05> gasp?
[01:23] <steve___> what does wlist say?
[01:23] <steve___> after you changed it to wlan0
[01:24] <Kr4t05> Same error.
[01:25] <steve___> ahhhh  ok.  type 'iwconfig'
[01:25] <Kr4t05> I did change it, however, to sudo iwlist wlan0 &Bscanning&B | grep -i ESSID
[01:25] <steve___> what is the name of your wifi card?
[01:25] <Kr4t05> And, darn unicode didn't work.
[01:25] <Kr4t05> That gave no output, however.
[01:25] <steve___> sudo iwlist eth1 scanning |grep -i <THE NAME OF YOUR ESSID GOES HERE>
[01:26] <Kr4t05> wlan0 No scan results.
[01:32] <Kr4t05> steve___: Same here. Without the openwrt. :P
[01:32] <Kr4t05> And, it's wireless b, not g.
[01:32] <Kr4t05> But, still.
[01:33] <steve___> heh.  what is that device called for you?
[01:34] <Kr4t05> wlan0
[01:35] <steve___> are you in a populated area where you should/could see other APs?
[01:36] <Kr4t05> steve___: Not at all.
[01:36] <NMajik> Could anyone explain why, when I open terminal, X seems to restart (I don't know if this is actually happening, but I'm returned to the login screen)?
[01:36] <Kr4t05> There's one about two blocks away that I know of, but not in my range.
[01:36] <steve___> ok
[01:36] <steve___> well your AP isn't showing up  :-/
[01:36] <steve___> dmesg
[01:36] <Kr4t05> Yeah, I noticed.
[01:37] <steve___> ^ type that
[01:37] <Kr4t05> Yeah
[01:37] <steve___> is there any errors related to wlan0 in there ?
[01:37] <Kr4t05> wlan0: no IPv6 routers present
[01:37] <steve___> that's fine
[01:37] <steve___> ok i'm pretty sure your card is happy and now it's the AP
[01:38] <steve___> are you using the ESSID or the BSSID?
[01:38] <Kr4t05> I'm not sure.
[01:38] <Kr4t05> The router only lists it as the "SSID"
[01:38] <Kr4t05> No E or B.
[01:39] <steve___> ok there is there a setting to hide SSID?
[01:39] <Kr4t05> Wait a minute.
[01:39] <Kr4t05> ADDRCONF (NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
[01:39] <Kr4t05> That's in dmesg
[01:40] <steve___> NMajik - what does 'tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log' say?
[01:40] <Kr4t05> OH, nevermind, irrelevant.
[01:40] <steve___> kra4t05 - what do you get when you do an 'ifconfig' ?
[01:41] <Kr4t05> steve___: Just the lo
[01:41] <steve___> sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[01:41] <steve___> ifconfig
[01:42] <Kr4t05> Oh, hellp.
[01:42] <NMajik> steve__: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36634/
[01:42] <Kr4t05> hello*
[01:42] <steve___> hi
[01:42] <Kr4t05> steve___: Not you.
[01:42] <steve___> sudo iwlist wlan0 scanning
[01:42] <Kr4t05> I was saying hello to wlan0. :P
[01:42] <Kr4t05> No scan results
[01:43] <steve___> wtf
[01:44] <Kr4t05> Indeed.
[01:44] <steve___> well let's try "sudo iwconfig wlan0 ESSID"
[01:44] <steve___> where ESSID is the name of your AP
[01:44] <Kr4t05> Did that.
[01:45] <Kr4t05> Still no scan results.
[01:45] <steve___> iwconfig
[01:45] <Kr4t05> No ESSID or AP.
[01:45] <Kr4t05> I'm thinking ahead of you.
[01:45] <steve___> hmm you don't have anythng connected to the AP do you?
[01:47] <steve___> NMajik - try and alt-f2 and run 'xterm'
[01:47] <Kr4t05> Just some wired stuff.
[01:47] <Kr4t05> Like... This machine.
[01:48] <steve___> there is anything connected to it wirelessly?
[01:48] <NMajik> steve___: Is there away to get around doing that? I'm controlling over VNC and that keystroke registers on the local machine
[01:49] <steve___> do you have a 'run' option in your meny?
[01:49] <steve___> menu?
[01:49] <steve___> does it kill X locally?
[01:53] <Kr4t05> steve___: That's a bit nada
[01:55] <steve___> is there an essid broadcast option?
[01:55] <steve___> is there an 'enable/disable' option for the wireless?
[01:55] <steve___> is the AP in "access point" mode
[01:56] <cheeseboy> :o Jester54 my hero
[01:56] <steve___> sometimes call infrastructure
[01:56] <NMajik> It kills X on the remote machine
[01:56] <steve___> nmajik have you tried it locally?
[01:56] <NMajik> I don't believe I have a run option
[01:57] <NMajik> What do you mean? Bringing up Xterm on the remote machine locally? I don't have a keyboard or monitor around for it
[01:58] <NMajik> I can SSH into it just fine, is that helpful at all?
[01:59] <steve___> ls -l /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:59] <steve___> is that file really getting written to?
[02:00] <Jester54> ??
[02:00] <NMajik> It looks like it, the last write was 9/6 19:55
[02:01] <steve___> he says when i loads a terminal X crashes but he's VNC'd in
[02:03] <Jester54> there is a bug with the i810 driver that kills terminals xterm works and i *think* the other version of the terminal ie if xfce4-terminal crashes Terminal works... but they might just be symbolic links
[02:04] <NMajik> Jester54: Do I just need to upgrade that driver?
[02:04] <Jester54> might
[02:04] <Jester54> but... i think the bug is in the newer drivers
[02:04] <NMajik> Oh... that's a pretty unfortunate bug
[02:06] <steve___> namjik what kernel version are you using?
[02:07] <Kr4t05> Blah...
[02:07] <Kr4t05> This isn't working...
[02:08] <steve___> kr4t05 did you make changes to the AP?
[02:09] <NMajik> uname -r gives 2.6.20-16-generic. Is that what you need?
[02:09] <Kr4t05> steve___: I do have a WRT54G, if that helps you out.
[02:09] <Kr4t05> I'm not familiar with it, yet.
[02:12] <NMajik> I have a WRT54G, what's the problem?
[02:13] <Kr4t05> NMajik: The wireless card in my laptop won't see it.
[02:13] <NMajik> What chipset is your wireless card?
[02:13] <Kr4t05> RTL8180L
[02:15] <NMajik> Does xubuntu recognize it?
[02:15] <Kr4t05> It's installed with ndiswrapper, and shows up in Networking.
[02:15] <NMajik> As wlan0?
[02:15] <Kr4t05> Yep.
[02:16] <NMajik> What does sudo iwlist wlan0 scan give you?
[02:17] <Kr4t05> wlan0   no scan results
[02:17] <NMajik> And do you have any other APs near you that you know about?
[02:17] <Kr4t05> Not near enough for a signal.
[02:17] <Kr4t05> I have a neighbor two blocks away with wireless, but that's all that I know of.
[02:18] <Kr4t05> So, does this mean that we can't rule out hardware failure.
[02:18] <Kr4t05> ?
[02:18] <NMajik> Well have you ever connected to your AP in windows before? Or have you ever used xubuntu to connect to another AP?
[02:18] <steve___> have you connected with it wirelessly with windows?
[02:18] <steve___> heh  :)
[02:19] <Kr4t05> steve___ & NMajik: Nope... I don't want to install Windows on this lappy. :/
[02:19] <steve___> that a boy  :)
[02:19] <Kr4t05> But, I guess I have to, don't I?
[02:19] <steve___> nahuh
[02:19] <Kr4t05> Oh, good.
[02:19] <steve___> on the AP is there  an area for 'wireless'
[02:20] <Kr4t05> I suppose I could invest in a newer/better pc card.
[02:20] <Kr4t05> Yeah, I'm already in it.
[02:20] <NMajik> SSID broadcast on?
[02:20] <Kr4t05> I've already set the NIC to channel 6, like the AP, and such...
[02:21] <Kr4t05> NMajik: Yes
[02:21] <steve___> the channel doesn't matter if it's in Access Point mode
[02:21] <NMajik> Oh, sorry, I didn't know where you were with setup
[02:21] <steve___> or infrastructure
[02:21] <Kr4t05> Okay.
[02:21] <NMajik> And no security or filtering on?
[02:22] <NMajik> MAC filtering that is
[02:24] <steve___> is the AP new or did you buy it off someone?
[02:25] <NMajik> While I'm not sure how helpful it will be for you, the setting that are working for me in the "Advanced Wireless Settings" menu are: Auto, Default, Auto, Disable, Disable, 100, 1, 2346, 2347, Off, Enable
[02:25] <NMajik> In that order from top to bottom
[02:26] <steve___> make sure under wireless security it's set to 'disabled'
[02:29] <steve___> nmajik - i was going to suggest adding the gutsy repos and updating your kernel to see if the problem goes away
[02:29] <NMajik> I actually don't have a clue how to do that, do you have a link?
[02:30] <steve___> do you use apt-get ?
[02:30] <NMajik> Yes
[02:30] <steve___> the sources.list file in /etc/apt is what needs to be edited
[02:31] <steve___> i'd use a symlink (if you're lazy)
[02:31] <NMajik> And I am
[02:32] <steve___> sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list-feisty
[02:32] <steve___> (up arrow)
[02:32] <steve___> sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list-gutsy
[02:32] <steve___> sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list-gutsy
[02:32] <steve___> :%s/feisty/gutsy/g
[02:32] <steve___> :wq
[02:33] <steve___> sudo apt-get update
[02:33] <NMajik> You lost me about the time you entered VI
[02:34] <steve___> hit the ':'
[02:34] <steve___> and then '%s/feisty/gutsy/g'
[02:34] <steve___> ohh and don't update, i forgot to set the symlink  -- duh
[02:35] <steve___> after you've edited sources.list-gutsy then
[02:35] <steve___> sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:35] <steve___> sudo ln -s /etc/apt/sources.list-gutsy /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:35] <Kr4t05> NMajik: Those settings you listed are default. :P
[02:36] <steve___> sudo apt-get update
[02:36] <steve___> DO NOT 'sudo apt-get udgrade'
[02:37] <NMajik> Kr4t05: That's why it seems so strange, this is a clean install (more or less, I went from ubuntu to purexfce)
[02:37] <steve___> sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic
[02:37] <steve___> idk if you need/want the restricted modules
[02:37] <NMajik> Can't hurt, right?
[02:37] <steve___> no
[02:38] <NMajik> OK then
[02:38] <steve___> takes up space and it useless unless there is something in there you use
[02:38] <NMajik> OK, well I'm download for the sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic step
[02:39] <NMajik> And I'll pass on the restricted modules for now
[02:39] <steve___> then
[02:39] <steve___> after you're done i'd switch back to the feisty repos
[02:39] <steve___> so
[02:39] <steve___> sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:40] <steve___> sudo ln -s /etc/apt/sources.list-feisty /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:40] <steve___> sudo apt-get update
[02:40] <steve___> and we're back  :)
[02:40] <NMajik> OK, great
[02:40] <NMajik> Thank you
[02:41] <steve___> if you do that and you choose a package (ie kde) which brings along the whole family, i'd would upgrade, wait until the new version is out
[02:42] <steve___> *i wouldn't upgrade
[02:42] <steve___> jeez most important word and I mess it up   :)
[02:43] <NMajik> OK, this isn't a terribly important machine so I'll be fine not upgrading
[02:44] <NMajik> Nuts, same thing still happens on opening terminal
[02:44] <steve___> you rebooted and are using the new kernel?
[02:44] <NMajik> *sheepish look* No
[02:45] <steve___> it's fine to upgrade the box just do not do a major upgrade (my choice or mistakenly)
[02:45] <steve___> hopefully i am clear
[02:47] <NMajik> Yep
[02:47] <steve___> *by choice
[02:48] <NMajik> Hmmm, now that I have rebooted and selected the new kernel I run into the same issue
[02:48] <NMajik> Unfortunately I have more pressing things to deal with right now. Thank you very much for your help
[02:50] <steve___> :-/
[02:50] <steve___> np
[02:51] <steve___> i'd like to see if it does it locally... it could be something to do with vnc
[03:14] <Kr4t05> Bah...
[03:14] <Kr4t05> Still nothing.
[03:14] <Kr4t05> I may have to find a new wireless card just to see if it works.
[03:15] <Kr4t05> The LED on the card itself flashes...
[03:15] <Kr4t05> But... That's it.
[03:15] <steve___> lsmod |grep -i ndis
[03:15] <steve___> sudo lsmod |grep -i ndis
[03:16] <Kr4t05> ndiswrapper is loaded.
[03:18] <Kr4t05> I don't know, but I'm about to give up.
[03:20] <steve___> sudo lsmod |grep -i r818x
[03:20] <steve___> do you know if that's the name of the native kernel module?
[03:21] <Kr4t05> steve___: Yeah, and it's already been blacklisted.
[03:21] <steve___> could try 'sudo modprobe -r ndis<whateverit'scalled?>'
[03:22] <steve___> and 'sudo modprobe r818x'
[03:23] <steve___> ifconfig
[03:23] <steve___> it might not be called wlan0 now
[03:23] <Kr4t05> Still wlan0
[03:23] <steve___> sudo lsmod |grep -i ndis
[03:24] <steve___> make sure you're using the LKM you want
[03:24] <Kr4t05> Hold on a sec.
[03:25] <Kr4t05> Holy shat...
[03:26] <Kr4t05> Something is different.
[03:26] <Kr4t05> Mode: Managed
[03:28] <steve___> cool
[03:29] <steve___> sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[03:29] <Kr4t05> Did that. No scan results
[03:29] <Kr4t05> What gives?
[03:29] <steve___> did you try and connect anyways?
[03:30] <Kr4t05> I did try to set my SSID.
[03:30] <Kr4t05> But, it cuts off the last character.
[03:30] <steve___> what cuts off?
[03:30] <Kr4t05> so instead of "example" it's "exampl"
[03:30] <steve___> just make it 'steve'
[03:31] <steve___> you can change it after
[03:31] <Kr4t05> Done.
[03:31] <steve___> sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[03:32] <Kr4t05> Nothing.
[03:32] <steve___> fucksakes
[03:32] <Kr4t05> Yeah...
[03:32] <Kr4t05> I'm about ready to pound my head on the keyboard.
[03:32] <Pumpernickel> !language
[03:32] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:32] <steve___> oop
[03:33] <steve___> you're using the realtek driver now?
[03:33] <Kr4t05> yop
[03:33] <steve___> is the AP used?
[03:33] <Kr4t05> No.
[03:33] <Kr4t05> Brand new.
[03:34] <steve___> is the security set to disable?
[03:34] <Kr4t05> Yep.
[03:34] <steve___> is the mac filtering turned on?
[03:34] <Kr4t05> Nope.
[03:36] <steve___> is it set to 'gateway' mode?
[03:36] <steve___> under advanced routing
[03:37] <Kr4t05> Yeah
[03:38] <steve___> what about 'wireless network mode'
[03:38] <steve___> what's it set to?
[03:38] <steve___> it's under "basic wireless settings"
[03:39] <Kr4t05> I don't see this setting anywhere.
[03:39] <Kr4t05> Where is it?
[03:39] <steve___> it's under "basic wireless settings"
[03:39] <Kr4t05> Mixed.
[03:39] <steve___> ssid is 'steve'  ?
[03:39] <Kr4t05> Yeo
[03:39] <Kr4t05> yep*
[03:40] <steve___> wireless essid is set to 'enable'>
[03:40] <steve___> ?
[03:40] <Kr4t05> yep
[03:40] <steve___> wireless essid broadcast
[03:40] <Kr4t05> yep
[03:40] <steve___> is there a reset security button?
[03:41] <Kr4t05> Yes
[03:41] <steve___> have you used it?
[03:41] <Kr4t05> Not recently.
[03:41] <Kr4t05> "SES Inactive" It says
[03:41] <steve___> ok do that and save it/restart
[03:42] <Kr4t05> the SSID changed, is this okay?
[03:42] <steve___> that fine... that's just the wizard
[03:42] <steve___> sure
[03:42] <Kr4t05> Saved/
[03:42] <steve___> scan?
[03:42] <Kr4t05> Nothing.
[03:43] <Kr4t05> WPA turned on, thought.
[03:43] <Kr4t05> though*
[03:43] <steve___> hmm disable wireless security
[03:43] <Kr4t05> Done.
[03:44] <Kr4t05> Still no scan results. :/
[03:45] <steve___> a power cycle isn't possible?
[03:45] <Kr4t05> I could.
[03:45] <steve___> i would
[03:45] <Kr4t05> I've dissappear for a second.
[03:45] <Kr4t05> I'd
[03:45] <Kr4t05> BRB
[03:47] <Kr4t05> Okay.
[03:47] <Kr4t05> Lo and behold
[03:47] <Kr4t05> No scan results.
[03:48] <steve___> under "status->wireless"
[03:49] <Kr4t05> Yeah
[03:49] <steve___> what does it say under there
[03:49] <Kr4t05> MAC Address: <Blank>
[03:50] <Kr4t05> Mode: Mixed 11/54Mbps
[03:50] <Kr4t05> SSID: <SSID>
[03:50] <Kr4t05> DHCP Server: Enable
[03:50] <Kr4t05> Channel: 6
[03:50] <Kr4t05> Encryption Function: Disable
[03:51] <steve___> MAC Address -- blank?
[03:51] <Kr4t05> Well, it's listed.
[03:51] <steve___> ahh
[03:51] <Kr4t05> I just didn't feel like typing it out.
[03:51] <Kr4t05> Honestly, I'm on the verge of just giving up and dropping another $40 on a wireless card.
[03:51] <steve___> when did you get the AP?
[03:52] <Kr4t05> steve___: Just today.
[03:52] <steve___> hm
[03:52] <steve___> dmesg
[03:52] <steve___> is there anything in there about wlan0
[03:53] <Kr4t05> There's a good bit from rtl8180
[03:53] <steve___> where did you get the card from?
[03:53] <steve___> is it used?
[03:53] <Kr4t05> steve___: Yes, it came with the laptop when I got it.
[03:54] <Kr4t05> The only thing that was wrong with it that I was aware of was the battery, which I've replaced.
[03:54] <steve___> so you've never seen the wifi card in action?
[03:55] <Kr4t05> The last thing concerning wlan0  is ndiswrapper telling the system that the device was removed.
[03:55] <Kr4t05> I popped it out and back into reset it.
[03:55] <Kr4t05> steve___: No...
[03:55] <steve___> that's a good idea
[03:55] <steve___> which drive is it using now?
[03:56] <steve___> module
[03:56] <Kr4t05> steve___: r818x
[03:56] <steve___> ifconfig
[03:56] <steve___> and it's up?
[03:56] <Kr4t05> Looks like it.
[03:57] <Kr4t05> The LED is blinking.
[03:57] <Kr4t05> However.
[03:57] <steve___> i assume scanning shows nothing?
[03:57] <Kr4t05> With ndiswrapper, in blinked in successions of three at an interval about about 10 seconds between successions.
[03:57] <Kr4t05> With the r818x driver, it's a single blink at about 3 seconds.
[03:58] <Kr4t05> Maybe that's just the driver?
[03:58] <steve___> yes, i'd guess
[03:58] <Kr4t05> Scanning still shows nothing.
[03:58] <steve___> balls
[03:58] <steve___> cat /etc/network/interface
[03:58] <steve___> is there anything in there about wlan0?
[03:59] <Kr4t05> No.
[03:59] <steve___> ps ax |grep wpa
[04:00] <Kr4t05> grep wpa
[04:00] <Kr4t05> :P
[04:00] <steve___> do you know anyone who has a laptop w/windows?
[04:00] <Kr4t05> Yeah.
[04:00] <Kr4t05> Vista, but yes.
[04:00] <steve___> put the card in there and see
[04:01] <Kr4t05> Hrm, alright.
[04:01] <Kr4t05> Not sure if Vista will have the drivers to autoconfig it.
[04:01] <steve___> like we used two different modules and neither connected
[04:01] <steve___> yeah i think vista will
[04:01] <Kr4t05> Honestly, I'm so fed up with this, that I'm more than willing to spend some money on a new card.
[04:01] <Kr4t05> I think I will.
[04:01] <Kr4t05> I'm giving up on this thing...
[04:02] <steve___> if you do get another card get something with the atheros
[04:02] <steve___> :-/
[04:02] <steve___> atheros chipset
[04:03] <steve___> or intel (although i'd just the atheros)
[04:04] <maxamillion> i would vote intel ... the themselves as a company release the open source drivers and in the newer kernels the support is built in
[04:05] <Kr4t05> Yeah...
[04:05] <steve___> yeah.  I use a ipw2200 module and it resets from time to time.  Might just be me.
[04:06] <Kr4t05> But... I don't know of any place local that would have anything like that.
[04:06] <steve___> bestbuy?
[04:06] <Kr4t05> 2 hour drive. :/
[04:06] <Kr4t05> I told you, I'm rural.
[04:06] <Kr4t05> Very rural.
[04:07] <Kr4t05> It was a miracle enough I managed to get a DSL line out here.
[04:07] <steve___> yeah i grew up in a rural area
[04:07] <steve___> that's not rural then  :)
[04:07] <Kr4t05> Well, still far enough away from anything useful.
[04:08] <Kr4t05> The nearest mall is still an hour or more driving time.
[04:08] <Kr4t05> School was a 50 minute bus ride.
[04:08] <steve___> are you in canada/
[04:08] <steve___> ?
[04:08] <Kr4t05> No.
[04:08] <Kr4t05> Pennsylvania.
[04:09] <steve___> i'd just get somethign delivered
[04:09] <Kr4t05> Yeah, then I have to wait for UPS.
[04:09] <Kr4t05> I'm too impatient for that.
[04:09] <steve___> if you order it now you should have it by monday
[04:10] <steve___> otherwise hop on your 4-wheeler and get to bestbuy  :)
[04:10] <Kr4t05> Still spend all weekend wringing my hands and waiting.
[04:10] <Kr4t05> steve___: Sadly, I can't drive myself, yet.
[04:10] <steve___> i'd call up a friend and test that bad boy
[04:10] <Kr4t05> Eh... I'll see.
[04:10] <steve___> (on windows)
[04:11] <steve___> i'd wanna know either way
[04:11] <Kr4t05> He's my boss, so he'll likely be at work all day tomorrow.
[04:11] <Kr4t05> I could ask him to take the laptop into work with him, but we couldn't get a signal from his house.
[04:11] <Kr4t05> He's already had someone try.
[04:12] <steve___> does the motherboard have a mini-pci slot?
[04:12] <Kr4t05> No idea.
[04:12] <Kr4t05> Well, hold on.
[04:12] <steve___> (it's under the keyboard usually)
[04:13] <Kr4t05> I'll call him.
[04:13] <steve___> find the manual (online) and find out...  you'll definitely want a mini-pci wifi card if it does
[04:13] <Kr4t05> He's not an early sleeper, so I might be able to catch him at home.
[04:13] <steve___> yeah take your AP and PCMCIA card over tehre and try it out
[04:13] <Kr4t05> He has his own AP
[04:14] <steve___> i'd still take yours just for $hits and giggles
[04:15] <steve___> it'd be nice to see your card work with your AP
[04:16] <Kr4t05> Yeah...
[04:16] <Kr4t05> Or... I could always back up my stuff and install XP on this thing real quick
[04:16] <Kr4t05> Not the desirable approach, but the best option the provides immediate results.
[04:16] <Kr4t05> that*
[04:17] <Kr4t05> Besides, I needed and excuse to test CD-burning on this lappt.
[04:17] <Kr4t05> lappy*
[04:19] <Kr4t05> Or, does grand master steve___ not approve? :P
[04:51] <Jester54> does anyone know how to set up a proxy like server
[04:52] <Jester54> i want to have a box forward all connections to a remote server via ssh
[04:52] <Jester54> so i can use it as a ssh compression proxy
[04:53] <Jester54> i guess it would be like a bunch of tunnels
[06:16] <steve___> kr4t05 yeah that'd work too
[06:17] <Kr4t05> Actually, I'm just going to partition it for now. :)
[06:17] <Kr4t05> I can use my Gparted Live CD to kill the partition, later.
[06:17] <Kr4t05> This way, I lose none of my data, but still get to test this card in a Windows environment.
[06:18] <steve___> that's smart
[06:21] <steve___> how much longer until it's installed?
[06:31] <Kr4t05> A bit.
[06:31] <Kr4t05> Didn't quite work the first time.
[06:31] <Kr4t05> MBR was botched.
[07:27] <Ben_Cs> good morning
[07:32] <Kr4t05> steve___: Guess what.
[07:34] <Kr4t05> Windows doesn't see any wireless networks, either.
[07:34] <Kr4t05> Which essentially confirms my previous assumption that this card is dead,
[07:35] <Kr4t05> Therefore, if you don't mind, I'm going to go take a large and heavy object and drop it from a large height directly onto this miniPCI card and then go to bed.
[07:35] <Kr4t05> kthxbai
[08:09] <Ben_Cs> id it recommeded to upgrade xfce to 4.4.1?
[08:15] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: sure
[08:16] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: so i just download the debian package from xfce site and install it?
[08:19] <The-Kernel> yeah
[08:19] <The-Kernel> that's what I do
[08:19] <The-Kernel> it seems to uograde without a hitch
[08:20] <Ben_Cs> cool
[08:32] <Ben_Cs> can't find .deb file, of xfce, to install. found onlu .run file
[08:48] <nikolam> lalala hello
[08:49] <nikolam> Why *oh* why (X)ubuntu start in root shell WITHOUT asking password, every time some UUID of some partition changes outside xubuntu?
[08:49] <nikolam> Giving root shell to anyone is *serious* security risk
[08:53] <zoredache> nikolam: because noobs use the system
[08:54] <zoredache> plus, if people have physical access to the machine your secureity is compromised anyway
[08:54] <zoredache> it would take them what, and extra 30 seconds to boot off a usb device and become root
[08:55] <zoredache> or livecd or whatever....  Anyway, the point is if they have physical access you are screwed...  If you 'harden' your hardware to the point where it can't be easily tampered with then take a few minutes and set a root password or disable sulogon
[08:57] <nikolam> Only I have access to machine. Question is why oh why it AUTOMATICLY is giving root access to anyone if lowsy Partition ID is changed???
[08:58] <nikolam> That is Bug, serious BUG
[08:58] <zoredache> becuase for 99% of the users, that means something is seriously broke and they need to have root to fix it
[08:58] <nikolam> I dont want to even think it is intentionaly done..
[08:59] <nikolam> But what if some maintance is done (like now) and that is network workstation in company?
[08:59] <zoredache> oh... for your workstations on a network... setup encryption on the drive
[08:59] <nikolam> But giving root without password is just Stupit
[08:59] <zoredache> and setup a root password
[09:00] <zoredache> look at the mission of *buntu.  it is aimed at the basic home user
[09:00] <nikolam> Ok, i am angry on low security on ubuntu and that`s it. it is a serious bug.
[09:00] <zoredache> not the security concietius enterprise
[09:00] <nikolam> I do not like what you are saying uff
[09:00] <zoredache> well feel free to seubmit it as a bug in the appropriate location
[09:01] <zoredache> I don't think they will change anything though
[09:01] <nikolam> No, I will use some other linux as you sugested and never recommend ubuntu to anyone running small businnes, thank you for your answer.
[09:02] <zoredache> I still don't see how you think it is that big of a deal
[09:02] <nikolam> Everyone get ROOT access by default, - not a big deal??
[09:02] <zoredache> a person can bypass it anyway whatever distro you use by simply booting off a livecd
[09:03] <nikolam> Yes, but not getting root access automatically if it changes UUID
[09:03] <nikolam> I will see if simply setting up root password will change things and I will test it and get back
[09:03] <zoredache> why would a uuid change?
[09:03] <zoredache> how is it going to change unless they are already root?
[09:04] <nikolam> zoredache: I dont understand your reasoning.
[09:04] <nikolam> Let us say some wannabe hacker
[09:04] <nikolam> Managed somehow to change uuid
[09:05] <nikolam> I will get back after setting root password and testing
[09:05] <zoredache> it is my opinion that if they are smart enough to do that, and they have physical access to the box, then the problem you worrired about is irrelavent
[09:06] <nikolam> No it is NOT
[09:06] <zoredache> you might try re-asking in #ubuntu
[09:06] <zoredache> where there are more people
[09:06] <nikolam> looking like that, windows is more secure at boot then *ubuntu
[09:06] <nikolam> ok, thanks
[09:18] <xjkx> trying to add xubuntu to lilo: http://www.pastebin.ca/685209
[09:20] <xjkx> i copied /boot of buntu to /boot of the system that has the lilo.conf
[09:20] <xjkx> then i have /boot (slackware) and /boot/boot (buntu)
[09:20] <nikolam> Hello me again. About giving root access to anyone if UUID is changed.  Partially solution is that you choose and set root password. Then is will ASK upon boot for password
[09:21] <nikolam> And then not booting automatically can be seen as (partially stupid) security measure
[09:22] <nikolam> So I suggest that anyone sets root password right after install
[09:26] <nikolam> xjkx: copy/paste previous description again in file, change label, change disk partition where is xubuntu (root=) get rid of double /boot (only single /boot is in the path) and state apropriate kernel
[09:27] <Keule|On> hi there - does anyone have a solution for the compiz - black window bug? - i use the nvidia 6600 go
[09:30] <xjkx> nikolam, i done the /boot only also
[09:30] <xjkx> root = is right
[09:30] <xjkx> its on /dev/hda5 and i am totally sure, i can mount it and see it
[09:30] <xjkx> but even on grub, i had a chainload +1 when it calls xubuntu, maybe lilo needs to chainload
[09:31] <xjkx> thats just my guess
[09:31] <xjkx> but on lilo when you loader= you need to put something else, not a +1
[09:32] <nikolam> I think that *buntu also can use lilo by default. i would try to add lilo to *buntu and try to add slack to it
[09:32] <xjkx> i cant load xubuntu
[09:33] <xjkx> then not installing anything
[09:33] <nikolam> Boot live cd and choose repair then chroot to its root dir and mount its /boot
[09:34] <xjkx> i done almost that, i ran a normal live cd/start and chrooted it, when i ran grub-install it said some devices werent up, i think it wanted to run makedev i dont know
[09:35] <nikolam> you can get grub back (and backup mbr with lilo if you want with dd command if you want) and boot *buntu and then install lilo, make lilo work for *bunutu and wet back slack portion of config and boot slack
[09:35] <xjkx> i think i'd try adding slack to grub if i could make it work again
[09:36] <nikolam> grub have some list of devices stated in /boot/grub/device.map
[09:36] <xjkx> oh yea that was the message i think, i said the device i was mentioning wasnt listed there
[09:37] <xjkx> i used cat /boot/grub/device.map
[09:37] <xjkx> and the file was empty
[09:37] <xjkx> it was running a livecd normally
[09:37] <nikolam> I always liked lilo more but grub works with 64 bit and lilo dont, I think.
[09:37] <xjkx> you think chosing recovery mode would work?
[09:37] <nikolam> recovery mode is just another name for giving you command prompt :)
[09:38] <Keule|On>  hi there - does anyone have a solution for the compiz - black window bug? - i use the nvidia 6600 go
[09:38] <xjkx> will do
[09:38] <xjkx> be right back
[09:39] <nikolam> Keule|On: Isnt it gusty problem? (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/+bug/125566)
[09:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125566 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "compiz gives me black windows" [Undecided,New]
[09:39] <nikolam> Try it at #ubuntu+1 , it is for testing releases
[09:40] <Keule|On> i use 7.04
[09:41] <Keule|On> nikolam:
[09:41] <nikolam> Oh, did you see that bug, I think it is there on link i posted
[09:43] <Keule|On> i red it.. but i dont know what the solution is
[09:47] <nikolam> Try it on #ubuntu+1
[10:05] <xjkx> i am on the live, and grub-install just doesnt work, not here and not in chrooted
[10:05] <xjkx> root@ubuntu:/home/ubuntu# grub-install /dev/hda
[10:05] <xjkx> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[10:06] <xjkx> then i will chroot
[10:06] <xjkx> root@ubuntu:/# grub-install /dev/hda
[10:06] <xjkx> /dev/hda: Not found or not a block device.
[10:06] <xjkx> i ran makedev but nothing happened
[10:26] <TheSheep> xjkx: maybe it's /dev/sda ?
[10:26] <TheSheep> xjkx: fdisk -l will tell you
[10:29] <xjkx> its right, doing sudo grub and manually adding seemed to work, will reboot
[10:41] <xjkx> finally done !
[10:42] <xjkx> by the way, does anyone remember where is that language menu that i can update my language?
[10:43] <xjkx> in xfce
[10:43] <xjkx> oh nvm
[01:01] <Ben_Cs> hello
[02:22] <Jakob_ka> hey some germans here ?
[02:23] <TheSheep> !de
[02:24] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[02:24] <Jakob_ka> oh thanks
[03:53] <AstralJava> Hey guys, just a question regarding System Load Monitor applet, I see the memory section reporting "Memory: 106MB of 377MB used", but when I look at  `top' output on a console, it says "Mem:   386100k total,   377556k used,   8544k free,   19904k buffers". That just doesn't add up, so I wondered whether there's anyone here who could tell me about SLM-applet's inner secrets, and how it diggs up that number? Thanks. :)
[03:56] <maxamillion> AstralJava: well it has to do with how they look at the memory hierarchy ... i believe top breaks it up into memory that is paged and index including ram that is currently cached but i think SLM just looks at what is currently being actively used by applications
[03:57] <AstralJava> Alright, I figured it's something like this, but wasn't sure. Thanks for the explanation, maxamillion! :)
[03:59] <maxamillion> AstralJava: anytime :)
[04:00] <maxamillion> AstralJava: another application you might want to look into is called htop ... its in the repository but isn't installed by default
[04:00] <maxamillion> AstralJava: its like top but prettier and color codes different sections of the memory usage, green is active, i believe blue is paged, and i think orange is cached
[04:02] <AstralJava> Alright, yeah, it looks a bit more informative when it comes to memory usage, thanks! :)
[04:03] <maxamillion> anytime :)
[04:07] <AstralJava> I was gonna say "I also like that it shows the keys to work it out", but then realized it doesn't work, F10 is for Quit, but hitting it opens the File menu, which isn't very nice actually. :)
[04:07] <AstralJava> But oh well, I can live with that. :)
[04:08] <maxamillion> AstralJava: its written in the ncurses library and will allow you to click on the menus with the mouse if you prefer .... the reason the F keys don't all work is because of key bindings specific to the terminal emulator you are using ... i know xfce4-terminal and gnome-terminal both don't let it work all the way, but when in just a tty it works
[04:11] <AstralJava> Yes of course, silly me. :) Well like I said, I can manage, and no, didn't realize one can click on menus with mouse. I usually tend to stay away from the mouse though, but as `q' works for Quit, I'm fine as it is. :)
[04:12] <maxamillion> awesome :)
[04:12] <maxamillion> AstralJava: you will also notice that if you move the arrow keys up and down you can view through all the processes which is yet another thing i really like when compared to top
[04:13] <AstralJava> Yeah, it seems to be quite an improvement when compared to top, really. Good advice, thanks again. :)
[04:15] <maxamillion> AstralJava: anytime :)
[04:46] <retour> Hallo! I have Xfce with many plugins - thats what Synaptic Package Manager shows BUT How to start and use them? i.e. system load etc
[04:47] <pleia2> retour: right click on your panel and go to "add new item"
[04:48] <retour> thank you!
[04:48] <pleia2> welcome :)
[04:53] <retour> On few other distros I've seen screenshots of desktop where there was a quite big translusent panel with all system load data separate graphs like CPu Mem Network etc - how to get it here?
[04:54] <pleia2> you're probably talking about gkrellm
[04:55] <pleia2> http://members.dslextreme.com/users/billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.html
[04:55] <retour> Additionaly by quickly moving my mouse I can increase system load from 5% to 70% !!!! is a way to reduce it? Hmm old PS2 or serial mouse instead of USB????
[04:55] <pleia2> there is a package in ubuntu for it
[04:56] <retour> WOW pleia2 THATS a geeky stuff! Thank you! U know my dreams better than I do!
[04:57] <pleia2> :)
[04:58] <pleia2> you can try swapping out the mouse, I'm not sure what else to suggest
[04:59] <retour> does it happen on your machine too - taking corrections that its probably faster so its not THAT severe? I have PIII550MHz
[05:00] <retour> my dillema is if extra load is generated by X system to quickly update mouse movements or management of data transfer over USB kills my whimpy CPU?
[05:09] <Nevermind> hey there people, N00bish question coming you ways :D
[05:12] <Nevermind> on a Dell Latitude C510/610 using xubuntu (duhhh) how do adjust the volume on the laptop
[05:12] <DuClare> tried alsamixer?
[05:13] <Nevermind> nop
[05:13] <Nevermind> oi'll try it
[05:20] <Nevermind> cheers for the help DuClare, helped alot :P
[05:20] <DuClare> Nevermind, glad I could actually help
[05:20] <DuClare> Nevermind, I'm sure there are gui tools out there if you like
[05:20] <DuClare> but I don't personally use any
[05:20] <Nevermind> Next one for you then...
[05:21] <DuClare> I've bound my multimedia keys to change the volume so I rarely need to access the whole mixer
[05:21] <DuClare> and alsamixer is just fine when needed. ;)
[05:21] <Nevermind> :O how did you do that, cos i have a standard Dell keyboard with the FN keys, how do i get them to work
[05:21] <Nevermind> 'cos that was the first thing i wanted, but i just thought, for the time being..
[05:22] <DuClare> umm first I created a xmodmap file which binds my multimedia (actually web) keys to XF86Audio*
[05:22] <DuClare> basically keycode 174 = XF86AudioLowerVolume etc.
[05:22] <DuClare> used some tool, xev maybe? to find out the keycodes
[05:22] <DuClare> then I use xbindkeys to actually bind XF86AudioLowerVolume to do something
[05:22] <Nevermind> cheers,
[05:23] <DuClare> in my case, I bound it to run the command "aumix -v -5"
[05:23] <Nevermind> so xev, and xbindkeys are the things i need to look for
[05:23] <DuClare> xev is most probably installed already
[05:23] <Nevermind> k
[05:23] <Nevermind> cheers,
[05:24] <Nevermind> where bobuts would i find it
[05:24] <Nevermind> >
[05:24] <DuClare> it opens up an "event tester" window, activate it and press some keys, it'll show the keycodes... some keys may not work out of the box tho
[05:24] <DuClare> open up a terminal and type xev
[05:24] <DuClare> :)
[05:24] <Nevermind> :P
[05:24] <DuClare> I can't remember what to do with the keys that don't work out of the box -- but there is a way to make them work, I know...
[05:25] <thewhiterabbit> hi! i've just added a harddisk to my pc. is there a graphic way to mount it? and how can i format it? thank you!
[05:25] <DuClare> there are tools whose name start with mkfs
[05:25] <DuClare> eg. mkfs.ext3
[05:25] <DuClare> which can be used to format... (= create a filesystem)
[05:26] <DuClare> don't know about gui tools
[05:26] <DuClare> of course you might have to partition it first
[05:27] <DuClare> with luck your file manager would display any partitioned / formatted volumes and let you mount them graphically. just a wild guess. :)
[05:29] <Nevermind> it doesn t recognise the FN key
[05:29] <DuClare> what is exactly the fn key?
[05:29] <DuClare> if it's the key that swaps between Fkeys and mediakeys... I don't think it's supposed to be recognized
[05:30] <DuClare> but instead switch to mediakeys with it and then press the mediakeys
[05:30] <Nevermind> it's a key that when pressed with a normal key it activates a different setting to it, like Pgup is page up, but FN+pgup is volume up
[05:30] <DuClare> so hmm
[05:30] <DuClare> if you press FN+pgup, does xev display the same keycode as with only pageup, without pressing fn?
[05:30] <Nevermind> yes
[05:31] <Nevermind> :(
[05:32] <DuClare> hm
[05:33] <Nevermind> no sorry, it comes up as a different keycode
[05:33] <Nevermind> pgup is 99 whilst fn+pgup is 176
[05:33] <DuClare> yep
[05:33] <DuClare> that's what will let you bind to fn+pgup :)
[05:33] <Nevermind> k
[05:34] <Nevermind> now i've got the keydcode, now what do i do?
[05:34] <DuClare> again, no clue if there are gui tools... but you can create an xmodmap file
[05:34] <Nevermind> ...how?
[05:34] <DuClare> eg. in your home directory, name it anything you want, I named mine 'xmodmap.multimediakeys'
[05:34] <Nevermind> ok
[05:35] <Nevermind> so how do i do this...
[05:35] <DuClare> then add lines with the syntax "keycode [number]  = action", eg. "keycode 176 = XF86AudioRaiseVolume"
[05:35] <Nevermind> ok
[05:36] <Nevermind> so how do I start writing all this?
[05:36] <DuClare> just open up a text editor and write it in. :)
[05:36] <Nevermind> :P
[05:36] <DuClare> http://rafb.net/p/626K5212.html eg. there's what I have in there
[05:36] <DuClare> of course you need to use whichever keycodes you have..
[05:37] <Nevermind> k
[05:37] <Nevermind> cheers.
[05:38] <Nevermind> bit of a n00b when it comes to programming in linux, only ad it a week
[05:38] <DuClare> yeah, no worries. :)
[05:38] <DuClare> the best thing you can do is not to call yourself noob though. it sounds a bit dumb ;)
[05:39] <DuClare> (of course don't write in the line numbers the pastebin shows. they're not a part of the file)
[05:39] <Nevermind> ...ooop
[05:40] <Nevermind> what would be the code for mute? keycode *** = xf86AudioMuteVolume ?
[05:42] <Nevermind> and now what do i save it as, and what format?
[05:43] <DuClare> it's plaintext
[05:43] <Nevermind> k
[05:44] <DuClare> XF86XK_AudioMute
[05:44] <DuClare> exclude the XK
[05:44] <Nevermind> ok i saved it as a plain text document
[05:44] <DuClare> actually, XF86AudioMute
[05:44] <Nevermind> ok
[05:45] <Nevermind> i've saved it, where do i put it?
[05:45] <DuClare> anywhere is okay, I suggest your home folder
[05:45] <Nevermind> ok
[05:45] <Nevermind> done
[05:46] <Nevermind> so does it work just saving it as xmodmap.fnkeys
[05:46] <DuClare> yep
[05:46] <Nevermind> and only have like 3 lines in it
[05:46] <DuClare> it's allright
[05:46] <DuClare> :)
[05:47] <DuClare> then you'll have to use xmodmap to actually map them
[05:47] <DuClare> `xmodmap [filename`
[05:48] <DuClare> eg. xmodmap /home/duclare/xmodmap.multimediakeys
[05:48] <Nevermind> ok
[05:48] <DuClare> after that... well, with luck, some applications might actually detect the keypresses and do whatever they should... though, that was not the case for me, and that's what I use xbindkeys for
[05:48] <Nevermind> so thats why it aint working yet :P
[05:49] <DuClare> so you might have to find out whether xbindkeys is installed on your system... (xbindkeys is a tool that binds a keypress to run a command, eg. when you press xf86audioraisevolume, it'll run a command that'll increase vol..)
[05:49] <Nevermind> so i open terminal and write xmodmap /home/alex/xmodmap.fnkeys
[05:49] <DuClare> yep
[05:49] <Nevermind> k
[05:49] <DuClare> or just xmodmap xmodmap.fnkeys, as you supposedly are already in your home folder when you open up a terminal. :)
[05:51] <Nevermind> aint working
[05:51] <Nevermind> tried both
[05:51] <DuClare> yeah, well, it's okay
[05:51] <DuClare> you need to bind them to a command
[05:51] <Nevermind> ...?
[05:51] <DuClare> see if xbindkeys is installed on your system
[05:51] <Nevermind> i'm not sure weather it is...
[05:52] <DuClare> if not, well, you need to get it... (there are probably alternatives but I know none)
[05:52] <DuClare> just see if it can find the command when you type `xbindkeys`
[05:52] <DuClare> :)
[05:52] <DuClare> it'll probably say nothing if it's found... it'll say command not found if you don't have it. :)
[05:53] <Nevermind> it aint installed, and i typed sudo apt-get install xbindkeys and there was an error
[05:54] <Nevermind> working now
[05:54] <DuClare> I don't know what the package is named in ubuntu, if it does exist for it..
[05:54] <DuClare> oh?
[05:54] <DuClare> it installed?
[05:54] <Nevermind> installing
[05:54] <DuClare> k
[05:55] <Nevermind> installed
[05:55] <Nevermind> now what?
[05:56] <DuClare> edit .xbindkeysrc in your home dir
[05:56] <Nevermind> .......
[05:56] <Nevermind> ?
[05:57] <DuClare> it's a file
[05:57] <DuClare> http://rafb.net/p/IcF9XV58.html here's what I have in... the lines starting with a # are ignored
[05:58] <DuClare> otherwise, the syntax is: "command_to_run" [linebreak]  key
[05:58] <DuClare> eg. I have this:
[05:58] <DuClare> "aumix -v +5"
[05:58] <DuClare> XF86AudioRaiseVolume
[05:58] <DuClare> which will run "aumix -v +5" whenever XF86AudioRaiseVolume is pressed
[06:00] <Nevermind> ok
[06:00] <Nevermind> could i just copy and paste?
[06:01] <DuClare> I guess
[06:01] <DuClare> but check if aumix is installed
[06:01] <DuClare> also, the mpc commands won't work for you like that. :)
[06:02] <Nevermind> aumix is now installed
[06:02] <DuClare> great
[06:03] <DuClare> well, if the file is okay and saved with the correct name, run xbindkeys... then the keys should work
[06:03] <DuClare> if not, the commands could be wrong or keymappings wrong or something... you probably should kill any running instances of xbindkeys before running it again with a modified file
[06:05] <Nevermind> ok then
[06:06] <Nevermind> so i've jsut ad to make the .xbindkeysrc
[06:06] <DuClare> yep
[06:07] <DuClare> then make sure no instances of xbindkeys are running, eg. by running `killall xbindkeys`
[06:07] <DuClare> then run xbindkeys
[06:07] <Nevermind> done
[06:08] <DuClare> do the keys work now?
[06:08] <Nevermind> lets see
[06:09] <Nevermind> nop
[06:09] <DuClare> okay, then you should check if the commands are correct
[06:09] <Nevermind> they are, i did exactly what you said
[06:09] <DuClare> runnin `aumix -v -5` in terminal should lower the volume. does it?
[06:10] <Nevermind> not much, not sure
[06:10] <Nevermind> yup
[06:10] <Nevermind> works
[06:11] <DuClare> then, assuming xbindkeys works and stuff, it should also work when you press it from the keyboard... but it will not work if the keycodes in your xmodmap are/were wrong
[06:11] <DuClare> I'm not sure if there are any settings utilities that may interfere with custom keybindings
[06:12] <Nevermind> hmmmm, lets see
[06:13] <DuClare> anyway, that's the setup I use myself, and works fine.. basically I run two commands every time I start x: "xmodmap xmodmap.multimediakeys; xbindkeys;" and then it'll work fine
[06:13] <DuClare> the files you wrote are the ones that define functionality.
[06:14] <Nevermind> ok
[06:14] <Nevermind> i'll punch that in
[06:15] <Nevermind> still not working,
[06:16] <DuClare> well, I can't tell what's wrong ...
[06:18] <Nevermind> ...should all the commands in the file be lower case?
[06:21] <DuClare> yeah... but the keysyms in whatever case they were
[06:22] <Nevermind> ok
[06:22] <Nevermind> just edited the file. now lets see
[06:22] <Nevermind> still not working,
[06:22] <Nevermind> ok can, i ask you to run everything by me again please, now i have everything installed....
[06:23] <Nevermind> and have done the file
[06:23] <DuClare> you're on xfce, right?
[06:23] <Nevermind> yup,
[06:23] <DuClare> it can probably do it graphically
[06:24] <Nevermind> ...:O
[06:24] <DuClare> "Open the Settings Manager, click on "Window Manager" and select the "Keyboard" tab. To define our own key bindings we have to create a new theme. Click "Add" to create it (note that all key bindings from the default theme are copied into the new theme)."
[06:24] <DuClare> "In the "Command Shortcuts" section doubleclick on an empty slot, enter the command you would like to bind and press the according key. The keysym from your .Xmodmap should appear next to the command if everything works as expected. Done."
[06:26] <Nevermind> cheer
[06:28] <Nevermind> ...there are no empty slots
[06:37] <nonlocal> Is there a gtk alternative to Katapukt?
[06:37] <nonlocal> s/Katapukt/Katapult
[06:54] <Nevermind> hello there
[07:11] <Nevermind> :/ i have a prob
[07:11] <hyper__ch> !question | Nevermind
[07:11] <ubotu> Nevermind: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:12] <Nevermind> I've been trying to bind keys 176 and 174, to the action xf86AudioRaiseVolume, and XF86AudioLowerVolume, dont seem to be working
[07:13] <Nevermind> any ideas.
[07:13] <Nevermind> I've used xve to find the keys, and then moving onto xbindkeys and xmodmap to do this
[07:15] <Nevermind> DuClare helped me earlier, but since he is away but still on here, anyone else got ideas
[07:57] <Kilroo> Nevermind: What's wrong with the keyboard settings manager in xfce?
[07:57] <Kilroo> o wait, you left
[07:58] <DuClare> Kilroo, 19'28'12 <  Nevermind> ...there are no empty slots
[07:58] <Kilroo> I'm not sure what he meant by that...
[07:58] <DuClare> ""In the "Command Shortcuts" section doubleclick on an empty slot, enter the command  you would like to bind and press the according key.
[07:58] <DuClare> ...
[07:59] <Kilroo> I just go to the Shortcuts tab and click the Add button, personally.
[07:59] <Kilroo> I don't see any "empty slots" to double-click on.
[07:59] <DuClare> okay
[07:59] <DuClare> this guy should explore a bit more
[07:59] <DuClare> if there's such an Add -button, it should be self
[07:59] <DuClare> self evident.
[08:28] <fundies> hi
[08:28] <fundies> how do i tell where my x server located
[08:31] <TheSheep> fundies: what do you mean?
[08:31] <fundies> Thesheep i need to tell putyy where my xserver is ..
[08:31] <fundies> putty*
[08:31] <TheSheep> fundies: where did you last put it?
[08:32] <fundies> i dont't know..
[08:32] <TheSheep> fundies: what are you trying to do?
[08:33] <fundies> ssh with x11 forwarding on windows
[08:33] <hyper_ch> huhu TheSheep
[08:33] <fundies> aka ssh cheeseboy.org -X
[08:34] <TheSheep> fundies: windows doesn't have an x server
[08:34] <fundies> except using putty
[08:34] <fundies> no my my server does
[08:34] <TheSheep> fundies: well, then you must have installed it
[08:34] <TheSheep> fundies: just tell putty where
[08:35] <fundies> TheSheep YES I DONT KNOW WHERE IT IS THOUGH..
[08:35] <fundies> opps caps
[08:35] <fundies> srry
[08:35] <TheSheep> fundies: maybe you should refer to the documentation of the x server you installed?
[08:36] <fundies> TheSheep would it be in my xorg conf or a command to tell me where it is ?
[08:36] <TheSheep> windows doesn't have xorg.conf XD
[08:37] <fundies> my server does ...
[08:37] <fundies> i can normal ssh to my linux server without a problem
[08:37] <TheSheep> fundies: you need x server installed *locally* on your *windows*
[08:37] <TheSheep> fundies: "x server" is the part that displays windows and icons and all
[08:38] <fundies> TheSheep, Then whys x11 forwarding an option in putty.exe ?
[08:38] <TheSheep> fundies: MS Windows doesn't have it, but there are some proprietary application for windows that can act as one.
[08:39] <TheSheep> fundies: because if you have one of those proprietary, third party x servers installed on your windows box, you can use it
[08:43] <fundies> :/
[08:43] <TheSheep> fundies: I'm not *entirely* sure there is no free windows x server
[08:43] <TheSheep> fundies: I last time checked 1.5 years ago
[08:43] <homa_rano> I got x11 forwarding to work in putty by running x in cygwin
[08:43] <fundies> im trying that now
[08:44] <homa_rano> it worked automagically for me
[08:46] <remi____> hi all
[08:46] <remi____> course if i ask what is the lightest most advanced distro derivated from ubuntu all must tell ... :
[08:47] <TheSheep> the one you make yourself
[08:47] <TheSheep> it's also perfectly tuned to your needs
[08:49] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: if you know what you are actually doing ;) that's a prerequisite
[08:50] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: you do know after enough tries
[08:54] <hyper_ch> Bush Vs. Zombies:   http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IoXgRtDysLY
[10:17] <SliceD> I have a problem with su root in terminal,  I always get authentification failure
[10:17] <SliceD> I'm using the same password I set during installation, and the same pass i use for synaptic and any other administrative purpose
[10:19] <SliceD> anybody have an idea of how I could fix this?
[10:27] <TheSheep> !root | SliceD
[10:27] <ubotu> SliceD: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[10:28] <SliceD> only reason I tried was because I kept getting an error doing it the sudo way,  realized it was because I had synaptic open
[10:28] <SliceD> thnx though
[10:29] <SliceD> why isnt pidgin or pidgin-dev available as a package?  only gaim
[10:31] <SliceD> I'm a windows power user trying to transition over to linux,  so i'm a little intimitated,  atm everything is going good,  only thing I miss is my MyspaceIM,  there's a plugin in development for pidgin that I'd like to try
[10:31] <steve___> it's in the gutsy repos
[10:31] <SliceD> where do I find that?
[10:32] <steve___> do you use apt-get to install packages?
[10:32] <SliceD> depends, I have for some things
[10:33] <SliceD> wont let me do it for pidgin-dev though
[10:33] <SliceD> something about a dir being locked
[10:33] <steve___> just stick with the binaries
[10:33] <SliceD> actually,  it just said it cant find the package
[10:34] <steve___> ok open a terminal
[10:35] <SliceD> well, hold on lemme show you what I'm looking at,  that way you can see what I was trying to do
[10:35] <SliceD> http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/MsimInstall
[10:36] <SliceD> about 3/4 way down it has the "easy"... ubuntu instructions I cant seem to work
[10:36] <SliceD> heh
[10:37] <steve___> that's compiling it from source
[10:37] <SliceD> I think for this to work pidgin has to be recompiled
[10:37] <steve___> i wouldn't bother with that
[10:37] <steve___> espically when the binary is right there
[10:37] <SliceD> I need the myspaceIM part of it though,  doesnt that need to be incorporated into the source?
[10:39] <SliceD> that's not just instructions for getting pidgin, its to get pidgin with myspaceim support
[10:40] <steve___> do you have pidgin installed?
[10:40] <SliceD> no
[10:41] <steve___> ahh crap, i have to go
[10:42] <steve___> i'll bbin 90min
[10:43] <SliceD> thnx for the time anyway,  I'll piddle with it till i get it
[10:54] <SliceD> there's a plugin for gaim,  probably better for me to try
[11:27] <seeb> my wireless adapter is listed in the network-setting list. does that mean that it is supported ?
[11:27] <seeb> since i dont find a way to enter my wlan password and encryption type
[12:27] <ochosi> houston, we have a problem. i just wanted to put the nvidia module into my kernel, ran the "sudo m-a update" and then the "prepare" commands and when i wanted to enter "m-a auto-install nvidia" i forgot the nvidia and now the module-assistant keeps on putting ALL the packages he can into my kernel... is there any way of undoing this and removing all the useless modules from my kernel?
[12:27] <ochosi> actually, now he's giving me a ton of error messages about packages he couldn't insert into my kernel (some of them which are already there, like alsa for instance)
[12:48] <aztec13> I have a WAV of a bell on my desktop.Xfce mail notifier has 2 spots for entering commands ,1 if you clk the icon and 1 to ap something with a positive mail in box.What are the commands to set it so the bell trips on each of these events?
[12:48] <aztec13> I have a WAV of a bell on my desktop.Xfce mail notifier has 2 spots for entering commands ,1 if you clk the icon and 1 to ap something with a positive mail in box.What are the commands to set it so the bell trips on each of these events?
[12:57] <gtv`skooli> hi, im having trouble with the font size of my file manager: http://images.voric.com/files/dateimanager_c00e4.jpg
[12:57] <gtv`skooli> 1280x1024 resolution, all other apps do it just fine
[01:11] <ochosi> gtv`skooli: are you using thunar?
[01:11] <gtv`skooli> yes
[01:13] <ochosi> i see, the only thunar config file i know is ~/.config/Thunar/thunarrc
[01:13] <ochosi> but it seems there is nothing about font-size
[01:13] <gtv`skooli> i had another strange bug
[01:13] <gtv`skooli> the resolution was set to something like 320x280 after booting
[01:14] <ochosi> what's your graphics card and driver?
[01:14] <gtv`skooli> geforce 6600gt
[01:14] <ochosi> nvidia driver?
[01:14] <ochosi> or vesa?
[01:14] <gtv`skooli> yes
[01:14] <gtv`skooli> nvidia
[01:14] <ochosi> k
[01:15] <ochosi> have you tried using a different theme?
[01:15] <gtv`skooli> uhm
[01:15] <steve___> back
[01:15] <gtv`skooli> for some reason its fixed now -.-
[01:16] <ochosi> oooook. well, enjoy then :)
[01:16] <gtv`skooli> yeah, thanks
[01:16] <gtv`skooli> closed all instances and started a new
[01:23] <ochosi> logout
[01:23] <ochosi> exit
[01:37] <retardo> good evening
[02:01] <retour> Good evening all! How to make my monitoring application to automatically start with the system?
[02:01] <retour> I mean something like autostart in Windows
[02:09] <retour> Ooops thx for not answering I've found it! Just the one without own icon! hehe


[20:00] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:21] <ajmitch> morning
[21:07] <olly> ooh, quake
[21:07] <thumper> olly: where?
[21:07] <thumper> I thought that was just the washing machine
[21:07] <olly> wellington
[21:08] <thumper> perhaps it is just the washing machine
[21:08] <olly> 5.4 30km east of seddon apparently
[21:08] <olly> with a 2.9 presjkock 3.5 minutes earlier
[21:08] <olly> *preshock
[21:09] <olly> seems our new house is in a good spot - jenny said people were getting under desks at her work
[21:12] <olly> estimate up to 5.9 now
[21:17] <ajmitch> olly: so just a bit of a shake then?
[21:18] <olly> yeah, no biggy
[21:18] <olly> it's settled on 5.7 now too
[22:16] <ibeardslee> This morning’s earthquake was followed by a gas fire at Victoria University.
[22:18] <ajmitch> wellington getting all the excitement today
[22:19] <ibeardslee> and snail isn't on today
[22:27] <olly> ibeardslee: a related fire?
[22:31] <ibeardslee> the article I saw on scoop seems to imply that


[00:00] <valorie> wxl: if you want more tests, you might have to post on #kubuntu or the list
[00:03] <DarinMiller> wxl: YY and ZZ box tested fine with Konversation on bare metal here.
[00:04] <wxl> valorie: my only concern is i kind of winged the whole freaking thing and i'm not sure everything's perfect. but i guess you're right. and if it worked for DarinMiller there you go :)
[00:05]  * DarinMiller DarinMiller can break everything so if it is working for him, it must be pretty solid...
[00:06] <valorie> lol
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[09:19] <ovidiuflorin> hello
[09:19] <ovidiuflorin> anyone around?
[09:25] <ovidiuflorin> the gpgme++ package is outdated
[09:25] <ovidiuflorin> I can't seem to identigy which is the devel package
[09:26] <ovidiuflorin> project repo is here: https://git.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=gpgme.git;a=summary
[09:29] <acheronuk> ovidiuflorin: libgpgmepp-dev pulls in the C++ and Qt bindings and deps
[09:29] <acheronuk> ovidiuflorin: it is outdated as currently the synced package from debian in zesty is FTBFS
[09:30] <acheronuk> LP Bug: #1647204
[09:32] <ovidiuflorin> acheronuk: I'm trying to build kde-pim
[09:32] <ovidiuflorin> to work on it
[09:32] <ovidiuflorin> and it requires a dev package for gpgme++
[09:32] <acheronuk> ovidiuflorin: ok. 2 secs then.
[09:32] <ovidiuflorin> something tht contains QGpgmeConfig.cmake
[09:33] <ovidiuflorin> or qgpgme-config.cmake
[09:33] <ovidiuflorin> I can't find such packages
[09:33] <acheronuk> See in KCI: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+packages?field.name_filter=gpgme1.0&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[09:35] <ovidiuflorin> I see
[09:35] <ovidiuflorin> when do you rekon that will get in backports?
[09:35] <acheronuk> they are bit patched as a temp measure up to make them build on launchpad for KCI, so should not be used on production systems until we have proper vesrions building in the archive
[09:37] <acheronuk> ovidiuflorin: at the moment I can't say. those gpgme1.0 builds are not KCI'd ones, so you can probably rebuild them where you like for testing purposes
[09:39] <ovidiuflorin> ah
[09:39] <ovidiuflorin> bummer
[09:39] <ovidiuflorin> do they contain the cmake files I need?
[09:39] <acheronuk> yep
[09:39] <ovidiuflorin> the project sources from https://git.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=gpgme.git;a=summary don't have cmake
[09:39] <ovidiuflorin> so I wonder who adds the cmake files
[09:43] <acheronuk> AFAIK you set build options to make them
[09:44] <acheronuk> debian packaging https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-gnupg/gpgme.git/tree/
[09:44] <ovidiuflorin> I'll be back in about an hour
[09:44] <ovidiuflorin> and I'll try to build it then
[09:44] <ovidiuflorin> unless somebody stops me
[09:44]  * ovidiuflorin makes a "The mask" refference
[09:47] <acheronuk> ok. the straight debian packaging will not build in a ppa. hence us having one with some hacky patches in KCI to make it work.
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[10:53] <ovidiuflorin> acheronuk: ping
[10:53] <ovidiuflorin> where do I get the sources from?
[10:55] <ovidiuflorin> aha
[10:55] <ovidiuflorin> I get it now
[11:00] <acheronuk> got them? dget the dsc file link from the KCI builds
[11:03] <ovidiuflorin> I don't want to build a pacakge
[11:04] <ovidiuflorin> I'm not installing it in my system
[11:04] <ovidiuflorin> I'm installing it in my development environment
[11:04] <ovidiuflorin> so just the sources are enough
[11:04] <ovidiuflorin> I'm trying to figure out he build commands from the build log
[11:04] <ovidiuflorin> but that only shows output, not the actual build commands
[11:07] <acheronuk> debian/rules may help
[11:09] <acheronuk> shows the configure commands etc that get passed
[11:15] <ovidiuflorin> configure does not exist in the repo
[11:15] <ovidiuflorin> it needs to be generated
[11:15] <ovidiuflorin> but the INSTALL file gives no info on how to genereate it
[11:16] <ovidiuflorin> I know I need `autoconf`
[11:16] <ovidiuflorin> but with what flags?
[11:17] <ovidiuflorin> I see just the dh commands
[11:17] <ovidiuflorin> well.. that doesn't help...
[11:23] <blaze> debhelper can detect most of the popular build systems, and you can pass build flags directly to dh_* wrapper
[11:24] <acheronuk> ovidiuflorin: override_dh_auto_configure: section shows what the packaging passes
[11:25] <acheronuk> so doing the same would involve
[11:25] <acheronuk> ./autogen.sh --enable-static --enable-languages="python cpp qt" --infodir=/usr/share/info
[11:27] <acheronuk> ovidiuflorin: doing that, then running configure and make, builds me the cmake files here
[11:28] <ovidiuflorin> awesome
[11:28] <ovidiuflorin> I just need a different prefix for configure
[11:28] <ovidiuflorin> do I give that to autogen.sh ?
[11:28] <ovidiuflorin> or just configure?
[11:29] <ovidiuflorin> acheronuk: ^
[11:30] <acheronuk> I just ran ./autogen.sh --enable-static --enable-languages="python cpp qt" --infodir=/usr/share/info
[11:30] <acheronuk> then as instructed by the output of that
[11:30] <ovidiuflorin> ok
[11:30] <ovidiuflorin> thanks
[11:31] <ovidiuflorin> is that infodir a destination or a source
[11:31] <acheronuk> ./configure --enable-maintainer-mode && make -j4
[11:31] <ovidiuflorin> that's my question
[11:31] <ovidiuflorin> maintainer mode?
[11:32] <ovidiuflorin> what's that?
[11:33] <acheronuk> --infodir= will be an override on where to install some stuff AFAIK. you may want that or not. if you are just wanting the cmake, perhaps not
[11:33] <ovidiuflorin> no, I need the lib to be used
[11:33] <ovidiuflorin> and available through cmake
[11:34] <acheronuk> ovidiuflorin: mainainter mode I'm not sure on. I presume sets some build flags/options, but exactly what I don't know
[11:35] <ovidiuflorin> I've tried this: $ ./configure --build=x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/home/ovidiu/KDE/install --includedir=\${prefix}/include --mandir=\${prefix}/share/man --infodir=\${prefix}/share/info --sysconfdir=\${prefix}/etc --localstatedir=\${prefix}/var --disable-silent-rules --libdir=\${prefix}/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu --libexecdir=\${prefix}/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu --disable-maintainer-mode --disable-dependency-tracking --enable-static "--enable-languages=cpp
[11:35] <ovidiuflorin>  qt"
[11:36]  * sick_rimmit Enters
[11:36] <ovidiuflorin> compiling now
[11:37] <ovidiuflorin> I'll see if install works when it's done
[11:37] <sick_rimmit> Got to take dogs for a walk, I be back in a bit.
[11:38] <acheronuk> ovidiuflorin: I just followed the options from the debian packaging and accepted the default on configure as it suggested. I don't know what the outcome of passing all that extra to configure will be
[11:39] <ovidiuflorin> the extra is there to ensure the corrent install prefix
[11:39] <ovidiuflorin> and to not build for python
[11:39] <ovidiuflorin> since I don't currently care for having that
[11:40] <ovidiuflorin> acheronuk: when do you think we cound have this thing pacakged?
[11:40] <ovidiuflorin> in some stable ppa
[11:40] <ovidiuflorin> you said a proper version
[11:40] <ovidiuflorin> what does that exactly mean?
[11:41] <acheronuk> LP Bug: #1647204
[11:41] <acheronuk> ^^^ needs to be resolved
[11:42] <acheronuk> Santa *was* working on it. but has vanished for the last 2 weeks
[11:44] <acheronuk> ovidiuflorin: also an issue for frameworks 5.29 if we want to do that
[11:44] <acheronuk> from the trello card on that listing issues:
[11:44] <acheronuk> "Fix gpgme1.0 in proposed (we need this for kwallet-kf5) (WIP by Santa, it's very hard, deadlocks involved)"
[11:45] <ovidiuflorin> kde-pim cannot be built because of htat
[11:45] <acheronuk> correct
[11:45] <acheronuk> and QtWebEngine
[11:45] <ovidiuflorin> that's what I'm trying to build
[11:45] <ovidiuflorin> QtWebEngine I have prebuilt from Qt
[11:46] <ovidiuflorin> I dont' understand the issue of that bug
[11:46] <ovidiuflorin> either I don't know something, or I'm missing something
[11:47] <acheronuk> it won't build on ubuntu without relaxing the hardening options, and the LP build system doesn't seem to cope with the post build tests. deadlocks on running gpg-agent for them
[11:48] <ovidiuflorin> it worked
[11:49]  * ovidiuflorin is eating some sarmale
[11:49] <acheronuk> may work locally, but archive builds and their environment are a different thing
[11:50] <acheronuk> ditto for ppa builds
[11:54] <ovidiuflorin> acheronuk: do you know anything about qt5webkitwidgets ?
[11:55] <acheronuk> no, sorry
[11:57] <ovidiuflorin> kmail seems to need Qt 5.6
[11:57] <ovidiuflorin> and I was using 5.7
[11:57] <ovidiuflorin> I need to downgrade....
[11:57] <ovidiuflorin> yeeeey
[11:58] <ovidiuflorin> they  broke cackwards compatibility with webengine at some point
[11:58] <ovidiuflorin> IIRC
[11:58] <ovidiuflorin> this might be it
[12:06] <ovidiuflorin> nope...
[12:06] <ovidiuflorin> that doesn't fix it
[12:07] <ovidiuflorin> I don't knwo if I have patience for this again....
[12:10] <ovidiuflorin> :))))
[12:10] <ovidiuflorin> I found the issue
[12:11] <ovidiuflorin> they upgraded the minimum qt version in the `messagelib` library
[12:11] <ovidiuflorin> to qt 5.6
[12:11] <ovidiuflorin> but they still require as dependency a package from qt5.5
[12:11] <ovidiuflorin> that does not exist enymore in 5.6
[12:12] <yofel> which one o.O?
[12:12] <ovidiuflorin> they also require the updated version
[12:12] <ovidiuflorin> set(QT_REQUIRED_VERSION "5.6.0")
[12:12] <ovidiuflorin>    find_package(Qt5 ${QT_REQUIRED_VERSION} CONFIG REQUIRED Widgets Network PrintSupport WebEngine WebEngineWidgets WebKitWidgets)
[12:12] <ovidiuflorin> last module
[12:12] <yofel> ...
[12:12] <ovidiuflorin> that doesn't exist in 5.6
[12:12] <yofel> yeah, that's gone
[12:13] <ovidiuflorin> how is that built anywhere?
[12:13] <ovidiuflorin> the have the webenginewidgets...
[12:13] <yofel> we might still have that lingering around in the archive
[12:13] <ovidiuflorin> so I guess they missed it on removing it
[12:13] <ovidiuflorin> that should fail
[12:13] <ovidiuflorin> unless you have 2 qt's installed
[12:13] <ovidiuflorin> in the same place
[12:21] <acheronuk> libqt5webkit5-dev (5.6.1+dfsg-5ubuntu1)
[12:21] <acheronuk> provides Qt5WebKitWidgetsConfig.cmake
[12:22] <ovidiuflorin> that can't be qt 5.6
[12:22] <ovidiuflorin> something is wrong there
[12:22] <acheronuk> http://packages.ubuntu.com/yakkety/amd64/libqt5webkit5-dev/filelist
[12:23] <acheronuk> http://packages.ubuntu.com/yakkety/libqt5webkit5-dev
[12:24] <acheronuk> 5.6.1+dfsg-4ubuntu1~2 in yakkety
[12:24] <yofel> Qt has some extra modules, might be from that section
[12:25] <acheronuk> built by qtwebkit-opensource-src
[12:36] <ovidiuflorin> is this built from master? https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/11762257
[12:36] <yofel> everything's built from master currently
[12:37] <yofel> or should be, unless someone messed with the job config
[12:39] <ovidiuflorin> I'm having issues building that
[12:39] <ovidiuflorin> make[2]: *** No rule to make target '/home/ovidiu/KDE/install/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgpgme@libsuffix@', needed by 'src/libKF5Libkleo.so.5.4.40'.  Stop.
[12:39] <ovidiuflorin> i guess something is wrong with the gpgme I've built
[12:40] <ovidiuflorin> it doesn't export the targets right
[12:40] <ovidiuflorin> so libkleo doesn't find it
[12:40] <ovidiuflorin> so it seems to me, I'm back to that gpgme package acheronuk
[12:42] <yofel> hm, with the cmake files possibly, as src/libKF5Libkleo.so.5.4.40 references a nonsense path
[12:43] <yofel> but gpgme *and* kleo are now broken here
[12:44] <acheronuk> well, builds ok in KCI. no idea how functional it is, but it builds
[12:44] <ovidiuflorin> and all I wanted was to work on https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330533
[12:44] <ovidiuflorin> I dont' have the patience to solve this anymore
[12:45] <ovidiuflorin> this is a hure roadblock for developers....
[12:45] <yofel> can't you just take the dev parts from KCI?
[12:45] <yofel> or was something missing?
[12:45] <ovidiuflorin> I'll get a docker container and add in there all the ppa's
[12:45] <acheronuk> make a chroot and add KCI repo?
[12:45] <ovidiuflorin> but not now
[12:45] <ovidiuflorin> I'm feeling a cold sneaking up on me
[12:46] <ovidiuflorin> and I'm annoyed right now about this issue (the fact that I've been solving build dependencies for 4 hours now
[12:46] <ovidiuflorin> and I can't work on the code that I want to work on
[12:46] <ovidiuflorin> this is freakin' anoying
[12:46] <acheronuk> I would like to fix the gpgme in the archive that santa was workign on, but I'm not really sure if the hacks santa made to getting it building are acceptable
[12:47] <ovidiuflorin> I'm taking a break, for now
[12:47] <ovidiuflorin> I'll work on something else after a nap
[12:47] <ovidiuflorin> if i can sleep
[12:48] <acheronuk> ovidiuflorin: best idea if you are getting frustrated
[12:48] <ovidiuflorin> I don't want to spend my hollydays in bed, sick
[12:48] <ovidiuflorin> 4 freaking hours !!!
[12:48] <ovidiuflorin> every f&^$% time
[12:48] <ovidiuflorin> I never get to do the work I start out to do
[12:48] <ovidiuflorin> because of this ^*$%^& issue
[12:48]  * ovidiuflorin out
[12:49] <yofel> I once had a kde4 dev env setup, which literally took days to set up. Today kdesrc-build is supposed to make that easier, but it's still fiddly
 It never does
 At least kdevelop takes 2 hours to set up
 But everything else is just painful
 I have to compile everything myself
 All the KDE packages
 All the GNU packages
 All the extra what evers
 And then keep track of them
 No wonder so few people join in...
[12:52] <acheronuk> morning clivejo
[12:54] <clivejo> morning?
[12:54] <yofel> well, we have CI images again, so as long as they boot, you should be able to set up a dev VM *fairly* easily
[12:54] <acheronuk> "zz_clivejo is now known as clivejo"
[12:54] <yofel> maybe
[12:54] <acheronuk> clivejo: you just woke up
[12:54] <yofel> and it's always morning on IRC XD
[12:54] <clivejo> oh
[12:54] <acheronuk> in IRC land, anyway :P
[12:54] <clivejo> I ticked an away box in my BNC yesterday
[12:55] <clivejo> so thats what that does!
[12:55] <clivejo> Happy Christmas eve
[12:56] <sick_rimmit> Merry Christmas clivejo
[12:56] <acheronuk> I'll be happier day after boxing day. :P
[12:56] <acheronuk> oh... damn it...
[12:57] <clivejo> Ill be much happier after January
[12:57] <acheronuk> Merry Xmas eve everyone
[12:57] <acheronuk> January?
[12:57] <clivejo> Ive stupid self accessment due on the 31st
[12:57] <acheronuk> oh... yikes
[12:57] <sick_rimmit> Oh, those are anoying
[12:57] <clivejo> yup
[12:58] <clivejo> designed so you need professional help
[12:59] <clivejo> and of course Ill be trying to submit mine that night
[12:59] <clivejo> 2 minutes before the deadline!
[13:00] <clivejo> anyways, lunch time!
[13:01] <blaze> clivejo: are you ready to hunt down a wren?
[13:01] <clivejo> Ive few things to get sorted before Conor arrives
[13:02] <clivejo> and tidy up after Baraba, messy *beep*
[13:02] <clivejo> Barbara
[13:06]  * yofel is yet again readin CI code, but has no freakin' clue where it even tries to set the appropriate upstream branch
[13:07] <acheronuk> yofel: that is one think I wanted to ask. can you set on override so that it fetches a branch other than master?
[13:08] <acheronuk> e.g. I would like to add labplot2, with ATM is kde4 with a separate kf5 branch
[13:08] <yofel> well, *technically* you can do overrides. Might even work the way it did in the past.
[13:08] <yofel> Problem is that currently there's no pattern matching
[13:09] <yofel> ci-tooling/data/overrides/base.yaml has the overrides
[13:09] <yofel> the old ones
[13:09] <acheronuk> yes, I saw there was that file with ancient overrides, but was not sure if that still worked
[13:09] <acheronuk> from what you say, it doesn't
[13:10] <yofel> neither do I, I'm currently trying to understand exactly that code
[13:10] <yofel> because that's the one I would need to fix for stable builds
[13:10]  * acheronuk shuts up and lets yofel read the ruby
[13:11] <yofel> e.g. if you look at
[13:11] <yofel> '*{debian.org,packaging.neon}*/frameworks/prison':
[13:11] <yofel>   '{kubuntu_unstable,Neon/unstable}':
[13:11] <yofel>     upstream_scm:
[13:11] <yofel>       branch: frameworks
[13:11] <yofel> this should be possible
[13:12] <yofel> maybe '*{git.launchpad.net}*/<pkg>' would actually work
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:12] <yofel> hey BluesKaj
[13:13] <BluesKaj> hi yofel
[13:13] <acheronuk> yes, that is what I was wondering, but really had no idea if the code to parse and act on all that still existed
[13:13] <yofel> hm, I think I actually found the point that I need to hook into. As there's a spot where it just sets 'master' as the default upstream branch
[13:13] <yofel> the code should still be there
[13:13] <yofel> should be worth a try
[13:13] <yofel> you just need the correct repo pattern, which I think is the one I just posted
[13:14] <yofel> or hm
[13:14] <yofel> maybe not
[13:14] <yofel> '*{git.launchpad.net}*/kubuntu-packagers/+git/<pkg>' maybe
[13:16] <yofel> I need to figure out how to setup ruby-xdebug >.<
[13:32] <blaze> and I need to study some kernel api changes
[13:32] <blaze> but who cares
[13:33]  * sick_rimmit Whoops as he finally fixes his ability to post to the kubuntu-devel mailing list
[13:33] <yofel> clivejo: you might want to check whether the BNC can't just set the away flag
[13:34] <acheronuk> clivejo: you used this? http://wiki.znc.in/Simple_away
[13:35] <clivejo> yes, thios could get annoying very quickly!
[13:38]  * yofel puts up a big note at the door to not forget dr.who tomorrow
[13:42] <sick_rimmit> Hmmm - Struggling to compile kdevelop-xdebug - am getting an error with QT_QT_INCLUDE_DIR but can't find anything in the docs to help me solve what this needs
[13:45] <sick_rimmit> ubottu kdevelop
[13:45] <yofel> !info kdevelop
[13:45] <sick_rimmit> !info kdev-xdebug
[13:45] <sick_rimmit> !info kdevelop-xdebug
[13:45] <sick_rimmit> hmm
[13:46] <yofel> not in CI either it seems
[13:47] <sick_rimmit> I'm so close with this setup - I have VM Configured, Kdevelop 5 with everything accept Xdebug plugin...
[13:47] <yofel> the path you need *should* be /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/ on amd64
[13:47] <yofel> no clue right now where that's supposed to be set though
[13:47] <yofel> there was something to get those paths
[13:47] <sick_rimmit> yofel: I think that might be what I need, or some variant of it
[13:48] <sick_rimmit> I'll have a play about
[13:48] <sick_rimmit> yofel: Thanks :-D
[13:48] <clivejo> is it part of the php or python plugin?
[13:48] <sick_rimmit> its the PHP Debugger
[13:48] <yofel> xdebug is a seperate debugger lib, not really bound to a language
[13:48] <clivejo> have you installed the kdevelop-php packages?
[13:49] <sick_rimmit> It provides Xdebug support in Kdevelop, so that Xdebug running on the Host can callback to Kdevelop to provide step through, and debug tracing etc...
[13:49] <yofel> clivejo: that's seperate https://cgit.kde.org/kdev-xdebug.git/
[13:50] <yofel> worst case, ask kevin
[13:50]  * sick_rimmit Get's dragged off the sofa to go and visit the inlaws
[13:50] <sick_rimmit> I'll try those paths when I get back later..
[13:50] <sick_rimmit> Thanks
[13:50] <sick_rimmit> ttfn
[13:52] <clivejo> kfunk: are you working on kdev-xdebug?
[16:38] <yofel> so, I think I have something now...
[16:41] <yofel> except that it ignores frameworks :S
[18:15] <acheronuk> yofel: was it not originally intended to ignore frameworks and always do them from master no matter what?
[18:15] <yofel> acheronuk: frameworks already has master, so originally, the unstable build for frameworks was copied to the stable ppa post-build to not do the job twice
[18:16] <yofel> s/already/only/
[18:16] <yofel> someone review https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci-admins/kubuntu-ci/+git/pangea-tooling/commit/?h=stable_build_rework&id=23fc87f1eb5bd455bca832359b8de116cfd941c8
[18:16] <yofel> already kind of does the job
[18:17] <yofel> but it's spaghetticode
[18:18] <clivejo> I cant make head nor tail of that :(
[18:18] <yofel> hence spaghetti code. And there's a fair amount of pattern matching involved
[18:20] <clivejo> I think Id need to learn ruby to even attempt to understand what it is doing
[18:21] <acheronuk> yofel: ah. right. I've seen "not frameworks so not copying" console messages, so that explains those :)
[18:21] <clivejo> what is build_type?
[18:21] <yofel> un/stable
[18:25] <clivejo> so that change _should_ set the branch correctly for stable SC?
[18:25] <yofel> yes, except that we'll be double-building frameworks
[18:25] <yofel> hm, and it crashed on kdegraphics-strigi-analysers
[18:25] <yofel> as that's not a valid thing anymore it seems
[18:27] <clivejo> no idea what that is!
[18:27] <clivejo> !info kdegraphics-strigi-analysers
[18:27] <yofel> !info kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer xenial
[18:28] <yofel> that's not a thing in yakkety
[18:29] <yofel> how do we handle such EOL stuff?
[18:29] <clivejo> needs to be got rid of then!
[18:29] <yofel> delete the _un/stable branch?
[18:29] <yofel> I'll kick it out of the project list for now
[18:30] <yofel> together with the other strigi stuff
[18:32] <clivejo> theres a yakkety branch :/
[18:33] <yofel> from early dev I guess
[18:33] <clivejo> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer
[18:33] <yofel> kdgantt2 is also dead
[18:44] <yofel> oh urgh, frameworks will need special casing for this to work right, as frameworks shouldn't have a _stable branch
[18:44] <yofel> back to figuring out how that worked again
[20:28] <BluesKaj> Merry Christmas to and to all a Good Night! :-)
[21:32] <clivejo> who was VikingRedwolf?
 @clivejo, Simon's friend https://wiki.ubuntu.com/rafaellaguna I think?
[22:06] <clivejo> oh nice
[22:13] <valorie> happy Christmas everyone
[22:13] <valorie> house is ready, so of course my husband is browsing youtube on the TV
[22:14] <valorie> just saw a guy set his pool on fire and put it out with liquid nitrogen
 @acheronuk, Correct
[22:16] <clivejo> set his pool on fire?!?
[22:16] <valorie> indeed
[22:16] <valorie> clivejo: anything else from your PPA I should test?
[22:17] <valorie> kdeconnect in particular
[22:17]  * sick_rimmit Enters with a glass of scotch, and Christmas cheer
[22:17] <sick_rimmit> Merry Christmas friends
[22:17] <clivejo> yummmm
 valorie: Saw that video a few weeks ago, but if I said something I would have been scolded by Aaron :S
[22:17]  * valorie clicks glasses with sick_rimmit
[22:18]  * valorie has boozy coffee
 Merry Christmas Rick! :)
[22:18] <sick_rimmit> {{{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}}}}}}
[22:18] <valorie> merry Christmas!
 Merry Xmas all :)
 @acheronuk, :O I thought the majority if not all of the Britains were Christians!
[22:20] <sick_rimmit> No i think it is only a few these days
 @tsimonq2, No. Why ruin Xmas by bringing religion into it?
[22:20] <sick_rimmit> My family and I will be at Church tomorrow, and if we're lucky there will one other family
 @acheronuk, *facepalm* that's the point
 :O what have you guys become!?!
 @tsimonq2, not MY point
[22:21] <sick_rimmit> On the park opposite, there is a grafitti wall. Which a new peice of art
[22:22] <clivejo> tsimonq2: what are you blathering about
[22:22] <sick_rimmit> It's Santa with a Red Face and Sharp teeth, and the words "Satan Clause"
[22:22] <sick_rimmit> On ways total off topic so I'll shut up, but I thought it was funny
 Lol sick_rimmit
 clivejo: How I'm unfairly treated. :P
[22:24] <sick_rimmit> We've got alot of posts on Facebook, saying I am an Atheist, but wishing you Merry Xmas
[22:24] <sick_rimmit> We thought that was very funny
[22:25] <clivejo> X is the Greek for Christ?
 HAHAHAHAHAH very funny
 have another brandy, then you care less about semantics ;)
[22:27] <sick_rimmit> Oooo Good Idea!
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/MJ70Yr0i/file_1540.mp4
[22:29] <clivejo> lots of old headstone here are marked "IHS"
 @acheronuk, Gif was in response to this
 Hehehehe
[22:30] <clivejo> the name Christus , spelt "ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ", hence the X in Xmas
 well, I just use it because it's shorter typing, and "happy holidays" sounds naff
[22:32] <clivejo> Happy Stuffing your face until you feel sick
 @clivejo, Now you have the real meaning of Xmas :P
[22:33]  * sick_rimmit give his trusty wooden nativity model a trusy pat
[22:34]  * clivejo watches The Grand Tour
[22:37]  * sick_rimmit wonders why Kdevelop find and replace loses hands down to grep
[22:38] <valorie> tonight we just have sandwiches, munchies, hot cider etc.
[22:38] <valorie> tomorrow there will be dinner at Bob's brother's
 clivejo: What did you get Max for Christmas?
 Any of you uses hp laptop?
 @marcinsagol, Toshiba here. Though about a HP, but saw lot's of ubuntu forums posts where people had probs with them. UEFI boot issues etc
 Right. My brother has new one. In the network manager there is no WiFi section and I don't know why. Is it blocked on hardware level somehow? On windows 10 on the same machine it works.
[22:59] <clivejo> Toshiba here too
[23:15] <acheronuk> Mostly habit, but never had much issue putting linux on a Toshiba laptop. Others I have had hassle with...
[23:15] <acheronuk> so tend to go for thsoe
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/BfWROFU2/file_1544.jpg
 ?
[23:24] <clivejo> She's supposed to be "broadcasting" using that CB radio
[23:24] <clivejo> yet its not even connected to an antenna
[23:24] <clivejo> duh