[00:09] <asac> bdrung: micahg: shoot
[00:09] <micahg> asac: do we need the -dev package before pushing TB3 to Lucid?
[00:09] <asac> yeah
[00:09] <asac> i think that makes sense
[00:09] <asac> and unversioned -dev package
[00:10] <asac> for now empty i guess
[00:10] <micahg> asac: ??
[00:10] <asac> but it needs no content
[00:10] <micahg> asac: I think that's the way it is now
[00:10] <micahg> so, it's not blocking?
[00:11] <asac> well. its definitly blocking release
[00:11] <asac> or even beta
[00:11] <asac> but not the upload
[00:11] <micahg> ok
[00:11] <asac> we need to file grave bugs against enigmail
[00:11] <asac> and tbird
[00:11] <asac> with target alpha-3 i would think
[00:11] <micahg> asac: next question, am I branching for lucid first or will .head for TB3 replace TB2 in the PPA as well?
[00:12] <asac> micahg: you could remove all files from tbird.dev branch locally ... then see if you can merge the whole tb3 tree using merge -r 0..
[00:12] <asac> or something
[00:12] <asac> everything locally ;)
[00:13] <asac> adn manually add the changelog on top ;)
[00:13] <asac> maybe generate that using bzr log or something
[00:13] <asac> not really needed though. but would be nice if there are noteworthy changes to include them
[00:13] <micahg> asac: I know to test locally first, I'm just wondering if you intend the TB3 PPA to replace TB2 at the moment
[00:14] <asac> PPA?
[00:14] <micahg> asac: I plan to diff the 2 versions before merging to find out what to change
[00:14] <asac> branch?
[00:14] <micahg> asac: dailies
[00:14] <asac> yeah. we can add a transitional package for that
[00:14] <micahg> TB3 dailies pull from .head
[00:15] <asac> we should rename thunderbird.dev to thunderbird.head at some point
[00:15] <micahg> asac: I see, ok, so we have a release branch and a devel branch
[00:15] <micahg> TB3.head will remain a devel branch
[00:15] <micahg> and TB.dev will become the TB3 release branch?
[00:16] <micahg> asac: but what if there's another release of TB2 (sec updates)
[00:18] <asac> micahg: we have stable branches for our stable releases
[00:18] <asac> e.g. thunderbird.karmic ... thunderbird.jaunty etc.
[00:18] <asac> dont we?
[00:19] <asac> if i forgot to create karmic we should do that
[00:19] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird.jaunty
[00:19] <micahg> asac: yes, we do, so we don't need to keep a master for TB2 then?
[00:19] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird.intrepid
[00:19] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird.hardy
[00:19] <asac> we havent created karmic yet
[00:20] <asac> so first thing is to push current .dev (or whatever revision reflects last upload) up
[00:20] <asac> set that to mature in launchpad and add a proper description (lke the others hopefully have (nor not have))
[00:20] <asac> micahg: the branch is unversioned
[00:20] <asac> so tb3 is just a "major version upgrade"
[00:20] <asac> on that branch
[00:20] <asac> (which is what we always did before we introduced the version scheme for ffox and friends)
[00:21] <micahg> asac: right, I just wanted to make sure we don't need to keep a master TB2 branch, that's all
[00:21] <micahg> ok
[00:21] <asac> right
[00:21] <BUGabundo> welcome skillman
[00:21] <asac> micahg: well. the idea is that .dev still has the currenct .dev in history
[00:21] <micahg> yes
[00:21] <BUGabundo> asac: can you help skillman to repair his accidently removed NM packages?
[00:21] <asac> BUGabundo: not sure
[00:21] <skillman> =)
[00:21] <asac> sudo apt-get install network-manager
[00:22] <BUGabundo> something about probs with wifi, so I did a bit of a mess
[00:22] <micahg> asac: the next question is do we need a profile migrator like we had in FF35
[00:22] <BUGabundo> asac: no network :)
[00:22] <asac> micahg: i think so.
[00:22] <BUGabundo> so he has to generate a script via synaptic, download on another PC
[00:22] <BUGabundo> and install localy
[00:22] <asac> micahg: though we havent put that in the archive
[00:22] <micahg> asac: ok, can I pull the code from FF35 and modify it?
[00:22] <asac> micahg: also the new location is probably similar to the 3.0 one
[00:22] <asac> ordidnt we use .thunderbird?
[00:23] <micahg> asac: I was going to ask if we should move from .mozilla-thunderbird to .thunderbird
[00:23] <asac> BUGabundo: he is gone
[00:23] <asac> guess he figured it ;)
[00:23] <skillman> sorry
[00:23] <asac> micahg: i thought we moved to .thunderbird as part of the 3.0 migration
[00:23] <BUGabundo> back
[00:23] <asac> skillman: what network do you have?
[00:24] <asac> skillman: how did it happen that you removed the package?
[00:24] <skillman> i went to the options in the network manager
[00:24] <skillman> and just deleted
[00:24] <skillman> every connection
[00:24] <asac> micahg: hmm. so seems we moved from .mozilla-thunderbird to .thunderbird-3.0
[00:24] <skillman> than, I went to the software
[00:24] <asac> micahg: we can decide to ignore users that used dailies
[00:24] <skillman> and deleted the app
[00:24] <asac> or add the same migration as we did for ffox
[00:24] <micahg> asac:only in the PPA
[00:25] <micahg> asac: I'd like to do the same migration like in FF35
[00:25] <asac> micahg: in any case we should move from .mozilla-thunderbird to .thunderbird (witthout asking)
[00:25] <asac> micahg: sure.
[00:25] <asac> micahg: you can copy the code over, modify it
[00:25] <asac> and hook it up to the startup script
[00:25] <micahg> asac: ok, so if only .m-t move it, if both, ask
[00:25] <asac> right
[00:25] <asac> default is to keep using .m-t
[00:26] <asac> as that is the supported ancenstor
[00:26] <asac> and we somehow consider the preview branches for "testing" ... even though they might use that only
[00:27] <skillman> asac: i went to the options in the network manager
[00:27] <skillman> asac: and just deleted
[00:28] <skillman> asac: every connection
[00:28] <skillman> asac: than, I went to the software manager and deleted de app
[00:28] <asac> skillman: but why would you do that?
[00:30] <skillman> asac: I know... I know... I'm new with this linux thing, and I was trying to understand why the wireless of my pc was always breaking down, than I downloaded some windows wireless drivers app, to install the original one of my oc, but that came with an error and all the network stopped working...
[00:30] <asac> cant you just reinstall and in future not do that ;)
[00:31] <asac> sounds like thats the least-support intensive way to get back to a normal state
[00:31] <skillman> asac: than, stupid of me, thought (i know you're going to laugh) I'm just gonna uninstall this, and than install it again... yeh right... but without internet how am I going to do this
[00:32] <skillman> sorry, back
[00:33] <skillman> I'm just so dumb that every time I want to close a window in the program of IRC I close everything...
[00:33] <asac> skillman: how did you first install?
[00:33] <asac> you should have a CD
[00:33] <asac> you can just use that to install ubuntu completely
[00:33] <skillman> asac: yes, I have the ubuntu 9.10 cd
[00:33] <skillman> yes
[00:33] <skillman> I thought of that
[00:34] <asac> skillman: so if you dont mind loosing your data ... just install it again
[00:34] <skillman> but I didn't want to have to pass all the files again
[00:34] <skillman> yes I will do that
[00:34] <asac> well. its less cost intensive for you to just install ;)
[00:34] <skillman> I just wanted to learn more
[00:34] <asac> skillman: well... so you can download the .deb
[00:34] <asac> and install it locally with dpkg -i ...
[00:34] <skillman> asac: I did that
[00:34] <skillman> asac: I did that
[00:34] <asac> however, what makes me think you shouldnt do that is that you installed the windows drive
[00:34] <asac> r
[00:34] <asac> that probably did something bad to your system
[00:35] <asac> which i would need to understand before i can help you ... but that takes too much time on my side ;)
[00:35] <skillman> asac: but in the console it doesn't identify the program installed
[00:35] <asac> not sure what that means ;)
[00:35] <asac> skillman: do you have the .deb files on your system?
[00:35] <asac> on the ubuntu system
[00:35] <asac> which ones?
[00:35] <asac> just one? many?
[00:36] <asac> you probably need more than one: e.g. network-manager network-manager-gnome libnm-util1 libnm-glib2 ... and modemmanager
[00:36] <asac> at least
[00:36] <skillman> asac: I have the network-manager_0.8~a~git.20091013t193206.deb
[00:36] <asac> if you hvae all those on your broken ubuntu install (e.g. through usb stick) ... run sudo dpkg -i /path/to/debs/*.deb
[00:36] <asac> skillman: yes. you need all the others i mentioned too
[00:36] <skillman> ok
[00:37] <skillman> just does
[00:37] <asac> skillman: however, that will probably not bring the net back as you still have the bogus driver on your system
[00:37] <skillman> I unistalled too
[00:37] <asac> so if you remember how you installed that, you might be able to find help how to uninstall that in #ubuntu
[00:37] <skillman> ok.
[00:37] <asac> skillman: yeah. so hope. install all the packages i mentioned using that command
[00:37] <asac> sudo dpkg -i /path/to/debs/*.deb
[00:37] <skillman> ok
[00:37] <skillman> got it
[00:37] <asac> and hope that after restart your net comes back ;)
[00:37] <asac> if it doesnt i think its easiert to install fresh
[00:38] <skillman> lool.. ok. if not I just install everything back again
[00:38] <asac> and next time if you want to learn stuff, break things != network ;)
[00:38] <skillman> yes
[00:38] <asac> everything else is probably easiert to learn :)
[00:38] <skillman> lool
[00:38] <asac> network is essential
[00:38] <skillman> yeh, I know... but the net was allways coming down
[00:38] <skillman> can you think of something
[00:38] <skillman> that could be causing that?
[00:39] <asac> skillman: what chipset do you have?
[00:39] <asac> what are the issue? regularly network latency?
[00:39] <asac> or droppage=?
[00:39] <skillman> how do I see that... (yes... newb to this point)
[00:39] <asac> thats almost cerainly a driver issue ...
[00:39] <asac> skillman: post lspci and lsusb output to paste.ubuntu.com
[00:40] <skillman> post lspci and lsusb output to paste.ubuntu.com if I only knew what this means
[00:40] <skillman> lol
[00:40] <skillman> I'm just so newb... I'm sorry
[00:40] <asac> skillman: paste.ubuntu.com is an address
[00:40] <asac> then type
[00:40] <asac> lsusb
[00:40] <asac> and put the output on that webpage (whcih should be self explanatory
[00:41] <asac> do the same for "lspci" command
[00:41] <asac> when you submit stuff there you get a link
[00:41] <asac> post that link here and we can look at your output
[00:41] <asac> hmm
[00:41] <asac> difficult without net
[00:41] <asac> lsmod | grep ath
[00:41] <asac> does that yield anything?
[00:42] <asac> skillman: you can also look at lspci output
[00:42] <asac> maybe you there is wifi or something
[00:42] <asac> in there
[00:42] <asac> that should give you a name
[00:43] <asac> so for me
[00:43] <asac> 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61)
[00:43] <asac> is one entry i get for lspci
[00:43] <asac> so its a "ntel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61)"
[00:43] <asac> micahg: ok so where were we?
[00:43] <asac> or all clear on tb3?
[00:43] <skillman> ok, tks, gonna read and do
[00:43] <micahg> asac: well, I think I'm clear on it, I hope to have it done by next week
[00:45] <asac> micahg: take your time. on the other thing, have no feedback yet. will poke directly tomorrow
[00:45] <bdrung> asac: can you have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/mozilla-devscripts/dh_xul-ext and convert the xpath commands into python code?
[00:46] <bdrung> asac: and we have to discuss the package meta data (Xb-Xul-AppId and Xb-Xul-Eol)
[00:47] <asac>                                                 found_duclicate = False
[00:47] <asac> at least consistent ;)
[00:48] <bdrung> ?
[00:50] <asac> bdrung: typo ;)
[00:50] <asac> bdrung: i think we should followlink ... and add the final destination to dictionary relying on unique constrained to filter out dupes
[00:50] <asac> rather than omitting all install.rdf links
[00:51] <asac> bdrung: what dom/xpath lib would you suggest for python?
[00:51] <bdrung> asac: what do we gain from following the symlinks?
[00:51] <asac> bdrung: we do it right ;)
[00:52] <asac> if we dont follow them we might omit valid linkis
[00:52] <asac> lnks
[00:52] <asac> e.g. it could be install.rdf -> install-myvariant.rdf
[00:52] <asac> which imo would work
[00:52] <asac> but we would omit as of now, right?
[00:52] <bdrung> asac: but then we have to depend on another package, which depends on the xul app
[00:53] <asac> not sure what you mean
[00:53] <asac> what links do you exactly omit?
[00:53] <bdrung> asac: now i get your point.
[00:54] <asac> i am not 100% sure i interpret the current code right. but it feels like we drop install.rdfs if they are links
[00:54] <bdrung> asac: we want to omit links pointing to different directories
[00:54] <asac> to something else
[00:54] <asac> assuming that the somthing else will always be called install.rdf thats valid
[00:54] <asac> yeah
[00:54] <asac> so basically we assume that everything found through a linki will be found otherwise
[00:55] <asac> which might not be true
[00:55] <asac> simple and most safe way is really to populate a set with unique constrained with all the realpaths... we autoamtically get _all_ install.rdfs
[00:55] <bdrung> asac: ok. i have added this to my todo list
[00:55] <asac> great
[00:55] <asac> so dom/xpath lib?
[00:56] <bdrung> asac: is there such a lib?
[00:57] <bdrung> asac: http://docs.python.org/library/xml.dom.minidom.html would be the included battery
[00:57] <bdrung> but is this dom library sufficient?
[00:57] <asac> i need a xpath lib ;)
[00:57] <asac> i assumed it would also be based on dom
[00:57] <asac> but could be other dom like variants
[00:57] <asac> bdrung: there is no xpath in that, right?
[00:58] <bdrung> no
[00:58] <asac> bdrung: maybe there even is a rdf lib?
[00:58] <bdrung> or yes, there is no xpath in it
[00:58] <asac> we basically used xpath because there exists no good rdf lib for command line
[00:58] <asac> so a real (most likelyl fully implemented) rdf lib would be preferred
[00:58] <asac> would prevent us to add all paths that can exists ;)
[00:58] <bdrung> http://www.google.de/search?q=python+rdf+lib&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:de:official&client=firefox-a
[00:59] <bdrung> there are some results
[00:59] <asac> is that in archive?
[00:59] <asac> python-librdf - Python language bindings for the Redland RDF library
[00:59] <asac> python-rdflib - RDF library containing an RDF triple store and RDF/XML parser/serializer
[00:59] <asac> k
[00:59] <asac> i will check that out. but definitly will take a bit - fighting various wars atm ;)
[01:00] <bdrung> asac: yes: python-rdflib
[01:00] <asac> lets hope that is more or less complete
[01:00] <asac> otherwise i already see that it just doesnt understand how mozilla is doing things ;)
[01:00]  * bdrung hopes it.
[01:01] <asac> there are some awful impls of rdf out there ... they basically can read what they generate ... and all other formats are off ;)
[01:01] <asac> but great.
[01:01] <asac> feels like we can have a win from moving to python ;)
[01:03] <asac> i think evne you could write it with that ;)
[01:03] <asac> for row in g.query('SELECT ?aname ?bname WHERE { ?a foaf:knows ?b . ?a foaf:name ?aname . ?b foaf:name ?bname . }',
[01:03] <asac> i will check that ;)
[01:04] <asac> at least getting you the right queries
[01:04] <asac> what do we need?
[01:04] <asac> triples: (targetapp, min, max)?
[01:04] <bdrung> yes
[01:04] <bdrung> so a list of triples would be nice
[01:05] <asac> great i will try that tomorrow
[01:06] <bdrung> thanks
[01:06] <bdrung> asac: other topic: package meta data collection (in function get_xul_apps)
[01:07] <bdrung> we have to add Xul-AppId to all apps and Xul-Eol for all packages that have a eol
[01:07] <mbana> no sun java?
[01:08] <bdrung> asac: i Xul-AppId a good name?
[01:08] <bdrung> s/i/is
[01:08] <mbana> sun-java6-plugin:
[01:08] <mbana>   Depends: sun-java6-bin (=6-15-1) but 6-16-0ubuntu1.9.04 is to be installed
[01:08] <micahg> mbana: for what?
[01:08] <mbana> firefox of course
[01:08] <mbana> i'm on karmic having updated
[01:08] <micahg> mbana: which version?
[01:08] <mbana> from jaunty
[01:09] <mbana> i shall _never_ updated again
[01:10] <asac> micahg: where did you upgrade to?
[01:10] <micahg> asac: ??
[01:10] <mbana> from januty to karmic
[01:10] <asac> micahg: sorry
[01:10] <mbana> anyhow, any idea what's wrong with the plugin installation
[01:10] <micahg> mbana: what version of firefox?
[01:10] <mbana> default that comes with ubuunt
[01:11] <mbana> just firefox
[01:11] <mbana> i tihnk it's 3.5
[01:11] <asac> micahg: it should just work
[01:11] <micahg> asac: no java in 3.6 and up at this point
[01:11] <mbana> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-GB; rv:<IP_ADDRESS>pre) Gecko/20091212 Ubuntu/9.10 (karmic) Firefox/3.5.5
[01:11] <asac> micahg: it was readded to 3.6
[01:11] <asac> reed told me a few hours ago in this channel
[01:11] <micahg> mbana: I still have 6.16 on kamric
[01:11] <asac> not in 3.7 though
[01:12] <micahg> asac: which version of 3.6, I can't get it to work in beta 5
[01:12] <asac> micahg: i think he says that he cannot install that
[01:12] <asac> and gets a upgrade problem
[01:12] <asac> but he didnt give any info
[01:12] <mbana> 6-16-0ubuntu1.9.04
[01:12] <asac> but that line
[01:12] <asac> thats ok
[01:12] <mbana> it's confused
[01:12] <mbana> thinks i'm still on jaunty maybe
[01:12] <micahg> mbana: that's the one I have
[01:13] <micahg> mbana: what does 'dpkg -l | grep sun-java6-plugin' show?
[01:13] <mbana> nil
[01:13] <micahg> mbana: I have the jaunty java packages still as karmic was never updated to 6.16
[01:14] <asac> thats ok
[01:15] <micahg> mbana: you need to install sun-java6-plugin if you want java
[01:15] <mbana> of course
[01:15] <mbana> but i cna't
[01:15] <micahg> mbana: but it won't work now :)
[01:15] <micahg> mbana:  uninstall the rest of the java packages
[01:15] <dtchen> asac: 3.5.6 from the ppa/karmic tests fine for 3.0.15 existing profile migration, 3.5.5 existing profile migration, and 3.5.6 new profile
[01:15] <mbana> it refuses to install.  and complains about missing dependencies
[01:15] <micahg> mbana: or grab the plugin from the jaunty repos
[01:16] <dtchen> asac: also tested addon updates, works there, too
[01:16] <mbana> <- confused
[01:16] <micahg> mbana: download the deb from here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty-updates/sun-java6-plugin
[01:17] <mbana> so this is a known 'bug'?
[01:17] <mbana> thanks micahg
[01:17] <micahg> mbana: well, not exactly...java should have been updated for karmic, but they were talking about dropping it
[01:18] <asac> i think in lucid java moves to partner archive
[01:18] <mbana> out of interest, anyone have an imac?
[01:18] <micahg> yep
[01:18] <asac> no ;)
[01:18] <mbana> i think i'll get one for the LTS release and never update again
[01:18] <micahg> yep to asac, no to mbana :)
[01:19] <asac> imac is inferior material ;)
[01:19] <asac> oh
[01:19] <asac> not sure about imac
[01:19] <asac> though tabout macbooks
[01:19] <asac> they have crappy broadcom chipset for wifi ;)
[01:19] <asac> cheap and dirty stuff ;)
[01:20] <mbana> so many things are broken on my upgrade it's frustrating.  mouse is constantly showing busy
[01:20] <mbana> some apps are showing that they're arne't installed, but actually are.  c.f. open office
[01:20] <mbana> not installed but is
[01:20] <mbana> am i unlucky?
[01:21] <asac> guess your upgrade is not completely finished
[01:22] <asac> sudo apt-get update
[01:22] <asac> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:22] <asac> if that suggests to install more stuff then you are not done
[01:23] <micahg> [reed]: was oji restored everywhere in 1.9.2 or just OS X?
[01:24] <asac> micahg: everywhere
[01:24] <asac> thats what he said today
[01:25] <asac> 21:15 < asac> [reed]: sun java plugin uses old plugin api ... which afaik isnt there in 3.6+
[01:25] <asac> 21:16 < [reed]> it's there in 3.6
[01:25] <asac> 21:16 < asac> at least they used oij etc.
[01:25] <asac> 21:16 < [reed]> we put it back
[01:25] <micahg> asac: openjdk added npapi support, but only when built against xulrunner > 1.9.2
[01:25] <asac> 21:16 < asac> oh ... great!
[01:25] <asac> 21:16 < [reed]> still gone in 3.7
[01:25] <asac> micahg: ^^
[01:25] <micahg> asac: I jsut pulled up the log
[01:25] <asac> > ?
[01:26] <asac> i thought its not yet completely finished in openjdk
[01:26] <asac> but even better then
[01:26] <asac> >= ?
[01:26] <micahg> asac: nope, it seems to have been added, yep, >= 1.9.2
[01:26] <micahg> I tried to get it to builld, but I had some issues, I'll have to poke doko at some point to get some help with openjdk build...
[01:39] <micahg> well, I wanted to test it to see how complete it was, but apparently, there are a lot of references to xulrunner-1.9 in the debian build files
[01:42] <asac> micahg: dokos packages usually have everything in debian/rules directly
[01:42] <asac> e.g. he generates most control stuff on the fly
[01:42] <micahg> well, it was like 3AM when I looked at it, so maybe if I look earlier in the evening it'll be easier
[01:43] <asac> or rather during debian/rules clean
[01:43] <asac> i think
[02:53] <nigel_nb> need a little help with triaging a bug filed against firefox
[03:12] <asac> bdrung: committed stuff for you
[06:45] <micahg> jdstrand: apparently there are some files missing in firefox-3.7 and the daily build failed
[13:58] <BUGabundo_work> oias
[13:58] <fta> BUGabundo_work, file a bug :)
[13:59] <fta> i should welcome you like that everyday :)
[13:59]  * BUGabundo_work files fta up to his ears
[13:59] <BUGabundo_work> :p
[16:18] <fta> asac, d'oh! chromium-browser (4.0.272.0~svn20091215r34555 -> 4.0.272.0~svn20091216r34708) [95.20MB (+12348kB, +12.97%)]
[16:19] <asac> ouch
[16:19] <asac> thats really incredible
[16:21] <BUGabundo_work> fta: some one mess up ? lol
[16:21] <BUGabundo_work> or are they including debug stuff in there
[16:21] <fta>  /data/bot/upstream/chromium-browser.svn/src/chrome/tools/test/reference_build/chrome_linux/*
[16:22] <fta> one more thing to drop
[16:22] <BUGabundo_work> yep
[16:22] <BUGabundo_work> tests
[16:22] <fta> tests i need to keep, but not reference_build
[16:22] <fta> well, i should keep our builds instead
[16:26] <fta> fixed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/342796/
[17:07] <micahg> fta: on the first bzr commit after a release, do I need a separate commit for the new snapsnot and the change
[17:29] <fta> micahg, it's always nice(r) to isolate the commit with just the version bump so it gives us a marker in the timeline
[17:29] <micahg> so, it should be a new changelog entry with nothing in it?
[17:30] <micahg> fta: ^^
[17:31] <fta> yep, just d/changelog
[17:31] <fta> oh, you mean the .head wrt the dailies?
[17:31] <micahg> fta: yep
[17:31] <fta> well, even so, yes
[17:34] <micahg> fta: xul191 is fixed
[17:57] <fta> d'oh, this time, not a netsplit, but my weekly disconnection :P
[18:02] <BUGabundo_work> ehe
[18:32] <fta> chrome is now #3 thanks to the linux & mac betas, safari is now #4
[21:38] <moted> Interesting.  After yesterdays daily update it seems as if the latest java plugin no longer works with Namorka.  Works fine in Shritoko and Minefield for me.
[21:41] <micahg> moted: you sure it's after yesterday?
[21:41] <micahg> it doesn't work for me in 3.6 beta 5
[21:43] <moted> yesterday it worked fine
[21:43] <moted> I updated this morning
[21:44] <moted> [UPGRADE] firefox-3.6 3.6~b6~hg20091213r33358+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~karmic -> 3.6~b6~hg20091216r33380+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~karmic
[21:44] <micahg> moted: what version of 3.6 did you have before?
[21:47] <micahg> moted: idk
[21:48] <micahg> moted: there will be a working version in lucid :)
[21:48] <moted> :)
[21:48] <moted> I just wanted to throw it out there
[21:48] <moted> Whenever you use daily builds your mileage may vary
[21:48] <micahg> yep
[21:49] <micahg> I just don't know why it would've worked before
[21:49] <moted> It literally worked until yesterday.
[21:50] <moted> I did however turn off the plugin compatibility options
[21:52] <micahg> moted: which version of the java plugin do you have?
[21:52] <moted> Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_15
[21:52] <micahg> and is it from the repos or did you manually install it?
[21:53] <moted> pretty sure It's from a PPA
[21:53] <micahg> moted: ah
[21:56] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:56] <BUGabundo> mid conversaion here
[21:56] <BUGabundo> but are we talking of java plugin?
[21:56] <BUGabundo> and PPA FF?
[21:57] <BUGabundo> only 3.5.x works
[21:57] <BUGabundo> .6 and .7 don't
[21:57] <moted> roger that
[21:57] <BUGabundo> I confirmed that yesterday with asac and [reed]
[21:57] <moted> I was just noting that until yesterdays build 3.6.x worked
[21:57] <moted> and 3.7.x seems to still work
[21:57] <BUGabundo> not to me
[21:57] <BUGabundo> won't even show
[21:58] <moted> yeah, you have to disable the compatibility check
[22:10] <fta> kenvandine, strange, gwibber stopped showing new dents 5 hours ago, yet, i still get the notifications
[22:11] <fta> i guess i should just kill it
[22:11] <BUGabundo> or close it
[22:11] <BUGabundo> and reopen
[22:11] <BUGabundo> its what I do
[22:11] <BUGabundo> I've run it in debug
[22:11] <BUGabundo> and found no common reason for it to die
[22:11] <BUGabundo> it can die after 10 mins
[22:11] <BUGabundo> or 5 h
[22:12] <BUGabundo> with no apperent reason
[22:12] <BUGabundo> well I see one, but not very easy to test...
[22:12] <BUGabundo> twitter api limit
[22:12] <BUGabundo> but I don't think fta uses twitter
[22:12] <BUGabundo> but I could be wrong
[22:12] <fta> nope, just identica, or whatever its new name is
[22:13] <BUGabundo> identica is the server
[22:13] <BUGabundo> statusnet is the code
[22:14] <fta> no update in 18 days.. hm
[22:15] <fta> dead trunk?
[22:17] <BUGabundo> ehe
[22:26] <micahg> BUGabundo: I'll get a Java plugin working on > 3.6 sometime this cycle
[22:26] <BUGabundo> "sometimes"
[22:26] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:26] <BUGabundo> micahg: you running lucid?
[22:27] <micahg> BUGabundo: not yet
[22:27] <BUGabundo> aint it a bit to soon for you ?
[22:27] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[22:27] <BUGabundo> ehe
[22:27] <micahg> BUGabundo: I have a PPA, I can push for any release :)
[22:27] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[22:27] <BUGabundo> you control the world
[22:27] <BUGabundo> you run unstable ahah
[22:28] <fta> i'll need a working java + certs pretty soon to declare my taxes
[22:28] <BUGabundo> no more releases... just rolling distro
[22:28] <BUGabundo> fta: +1
[22:28] <BUGabundo> I forgot about that
[22:28] <BUGabundo> ahah
[22:28] <micahg> fta: you just need to get openjdk to compile against xul-1.9.2-dev
[22:29] <BUGabundo> I use sun java
[22:29] <micahg> if you need it sooner than I can do it
[22:29] <micahg> BUGabundo: you're out of luck than :)
[22:29] <BUGabundo> only one that runs ok with android sdk
[22:29] <BUGabundo> micahg: why?
[22:29] <micahg> BUGabundo: unless Sun is going to migrate from oji to npapi
[22:30] <BUGabundo> ?
[22:30] <micahg> the plugin architecture changed in 3.6 for most platforms AFAICT
[22:31] <micahg> for sure in 3.7, but I can't find anything to the contrary in 3.6
[22:31] <fta> seems i have both gcj and sun java 5, so it worked last year with one of those as i don't use java for anything else
[22:34] <micahg> fta: it was removed in april 2009
[22:47] <fta> http://identi.ca/notice/16868474
[22:49] <BUGabundo> eeh
[23:23] <fta> BUGabundo, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/chromium-popcon-20091216.png
[23:23]  * BUGabundo checks
[23:24] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:24] <BUGabundo> chrome dropped after beta came out
[23:24] <BUGabundo> but put togheter is more the chromium
[23:24] <fta> yep, 25k vs 26k
[23:25] <BUGabundo> :(
[23:25] <BUGabundo> stupid users
[23:27] <BUGabundo> I guess google brand still accounts for  a lot
[23:31] <fta> indeed. i don't mind, it's not yet a million in a week ;)
[23:31] <fta> we should compare again when it's in a release
[23:52] <BUGabundo> fta: you are so right
[23:52] <BUGabundo> darn funny
[23:52] <BUGabundo> "latent sexual feelings"
[23:52] <BUGabundo> ahaha


[08:35] <sil2100> didrocks: to build unity correctly, do I need to use the old toolchain?
[08:35] <sil2100> On quantal that is
[08:36] <didrocks> sil2100: which version of unity to you want to build?
[08:36] <sil2100> didrocks: unity trunk
[08:37] <didrocks> sil2100: well, just use the build-dep of the current unity package as it builds it :)
[08:37] <sil2100> didrocks: will do, although I see the unity staging PPA fails building unity ;)
[08:39] <didrocks> sil2100: does it?
[08:39] <didrocks> sil2100: the precise one, corresponding to trunk?
[08:39] <didrocks> the quantal one is me experimenting with the new compiz, not related
[08:42] <sil2100> So trunk unity, for now, should build with the current compiz version on quantal? The old 0.9.7 one?
[08:48] <didrocks> sil2100: yep
[09:34] <sil2100> didrocks: where can I see a successfully built unity trunk based package on quantal?
[09:35] <sil2100> Since my bzr bd fails building it on my quantal machine due to some gcc 4.7 related errors it seems
[09:37] <seb128> sil2100, what errors? I think the quantal packages has some tricks, including turning off Werror
[09:40] <sil2100> seb128: things like returning value instead of void, void value not ignored etc.
[09:41] <sil2100> seb128: so maybe some tweaking is needed indeed - that's why I asked if there are some packages based on trunk that successfully build anywhere
[09:41] <seb128> sil2100, likely on didrocks' disk, didn't you guys work on that in London?
[09:49]  * AlanBell wants to know how to build compiz trunk as a package
[09:52] <sil2100> seb128: on London we were knowledge sharing, SRU preparing, complication-resolving and taking care of compiz - I think I saw unity quantal building on his system, but I thought it was building out-of-the-box
[09:53] <sil2100> So I'll just ping him about it
[09:53] <seb128> sil2100, ok, wait for him to be back then
[09:58] <didrocks> sil2100: as I told you in london, it's the one that are built on the precise pocket
[09:58] <didrocks> I explained why IIRC :)
[09:58] <AlanBell> didrocks: did you push the compiz stuff yesterday?
[09:59] <didrocks> AlanBell: not yet, still an issue on unity on armel with it that I try to get it fixed beforehand
[09:59] <AlanBell> ok, no problem
[10:07] <sil2100> didrocks: but we want the new unity to build on quantal, right?
[10:08] <didrocks> sil2100: indeed, with the new packaging I'll soon push as soon as I get the issue fixed
[10:09] <didrocks> sil2100: btw, if you look at the merge proposal, I juts acked and got merged on commit for dee that we want to backport as a SRU
[10:09] <didrocks> python3 support
[10:10] <sil2100> didrocks: will look at that
[10:10] <sil2100> didrocks: hm, so I'll have to wait with trying to build unity trunk on quantal for the new compiz?
[10:10] <sil2100> didrocks: what makes me wonder is that I thought we already merged in fixes for quantal build failures to unity
[10:12] <didrocks> sil2100: I'll hopefully have an answer in 2 hours :)
[10:12] <sil2100> didrocks: so I'll wait with this and take care of future SRU issues and bugtracking ;)
[10:14] <didrocks> ok
[10:41] <jhesketh_> Howdy. Just wondering if anybody could direct me to where settings are stored for unity. I'm aware of the gconf/compiz settings but are there other settings stored elsewhere. For example I'm after where the default locked app list is
[11:37] <didrocks> AlanBell: ok, pushed now
[11:37] <didrocks> AlanBell: so, for getting a compiz patch test package
[11:37] <didrocks> AlanBell: bzr branch lp:ubuntu/compiz
[11:37] <didrocks> cd compiz
[11:37] <didrocks> bzr merge <your patch>
[11:37] <didrocks> bzr bd
[11:37] <didrocks> and that's it!
[11:38] <didrocks> jhesketh_: it's using gsettings
[11:38] <didrocks> jhesketh_: look at dconf-editor, /desktop/unity
[11:45] <AlanBell> didrocks: cool, trying that now
[11:46] <AlanBell> is there some other stuff to do to get it to sign with my GPG key rather than fail as it trys to sign with yours?
[11:54] <didrocks> AlanBell: yeah, one sec
[11:54] <didrocks> create a .devscripts file in your ~
[11:54] <didrocks> DEBSIGN_ALWAYS_RESIGN=yes
[11:54] <didrocks> DEBSIGN_KEYID=<yourkeyid>
[15:12] <didrocks> kamstrup: no idea why the dee gir override file needs to be set for python3 in /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gi/overrides/Dee.py and not in a /usr/lib/python3.2/dist-packages/gi/overrides/Dee.py directory like for 2.7?
[22:31] <sunshinehappy> how do I show all the windows in a workspace?
[22:31] <bschaefer> sunshinehappy, super+w
[22:31] <sunshinehappy> thank you!
[22:31] <bschaefer> np!