[08:44] <ekCo> epic and icculus must love us :D
[08:44] <dabaSlon> yeah, cononical would be funny...
[08:44] <dabaSlon> haha
[08:44] <Linforcer> linux_galore you can choose the freedos install and then they give an edited ubuntu with the laptop
[08:44] <ekCo> you guys hear about the new EPIC game?
[08:44] <ekCo> using UE3?
[08:45] <tweakism> It was tough to get the go-ahead to install a Linux at work.  IT strictly polices installed software, and requires all of it to have approval.  I played up the advantage of network debugging tools being easily available that I'm familiar with, and when my IT boss finally asked me if I would like a low-spec surplus laptop to install Linux on, I jumped on the chance to explain dual-booting.
[08:45] <Linforcer> linux_galore it's a little too hidden a deal to give them credit for it
[08:45] <ekCo> Gears of War - The main character of Gears of War is a former prisoner named Marcus Fenix. On the planet Sera the human forces call themselves "The Coalition of Ordered Governments" and are locked in a struggle with an enemy known as The Locusts. The enemy forces are made up of foot soldiers, the giant ogre-like creatures shown in the Unreal Engine demos, and flying menaces known as Kryll bats.
[08:45] <linux_galore> Linforcer: is it an image install or a proper install...would be better for newbies if it was an image with all the hacks and fixes pre done
[08:45] <ekCo> http://oceaniaut.com/images/news/large_428612f209c65_Barricade.jpg
[08:46] <ekCo> http://oceaniaut.com/images/news/large_428612f335b7c_GOW1.jpg
[08:46] <blake> why won't ubuntu find my removeable disc on windows when i am shareing it?
[08:46] <Linforcer> linux_galore not sure, I'm just parrotting a comment from a slashdot user
[08:46] <ekCo> http://oceaniaut.com/images/news/large_428612f41adc8_Fireteam3.jpg
[08:47] <linux_galore> Linforcer: Ive always though it would be cool that a distro would have pre configured installed images on a server and all you do is install the image that matches you machine make/model  and everything is hacked in already and it even has a system specific kernel....I would pay for that service to be honest
[08:47] <dabaSlon> ekco, man, dont be childish, how old are you?
[08:47] <ekCo> 15
[08:47] <dabaSlon> ok, then./
[08:47] <blake> dfoes anyone know
[08:47] <blake> ???
[08:47] <ekCo> what is childish?
[08:47] <blake> Does
[08:48] <Burgundavia> ekCo, please stop spamming
[08:48] <ekCo> .....
[08:48] <dabaSlon> haha, tweakism, awesome:)
[08:48] <Linforcer> linux_galore point isnt if its worth the money. point is you have to KNOw about it to got it. they dont advertise it in anyway
[08:48] <linux_galore> ekCo: childish - not acting in a mature manner
[08:48] <blake> why won't ubuntu find my removeable disc on windows when i am shareing it?
[08:48] <ekCo> linux_galore, i ment what dabaSlon was reffering to.
[08:49] <dabaSlon> blake, please paste output of ls /media to http://pastebin.ca .
[08:49] <dabaSlon> ekco, nothing, youre 15, youre fine...
[08:49] <linux_galore> Linforcer: yeah but have the normal long way install CD but offer a subscription install if the installer notices the machine is of a set make and model that has a pre configured image on the net
[08:49] <blake> what do oyu mean 15/
[08:49] <blake> ?
[08:50] <antix> is there a version 1.0.4 of firefox available for ubuntu? I can't get plugins now etc using 1.0.2...
[08:50] <dabaSlon> blake, the other msg was for ekco...
[08:50] <Burgundavia> antix, a fix is coming for that issue
[08:50] <Marble2> antix: download source, checkinstall, install .deb file using dpkg
[08:50] <Linforcer> antix if you update using apt-get it will be patched
[08:50] <dabaSlon> give me the url after you paste
[08:51] <moua> is ubuntu a geek or industrial linux distrib ?
[08:51] <dabaSlon> a yuppie.
[08:51] <moua> :)
[08:51] <Linforcer> xD
[08:51] <dabaSlon> hah
[08:51] <blake> so you can't tell me... right
[08:51] <Stereo> a bathtub oarsman's distribution
[08:51] <Burgundavia> moua, ubuntu is for everybody
[08:51] <antix> Linforcer, I did apt-get update but there were no new packages?
[08:51] <dabaSlon> blake, please paste output of ls /media to http://pastebin.ca .
[08:51] <Stereo> have you ever seen a bathtub oarsman who didn't use ubuntu? Thought so.
[08:51] <Linforcer> update and then UPGRADE
[08:51] <tweakism> moua: it seems to be directed toward end-users, but it's based on apt and appear, on first glance, just because of flexibility, to be workable in the enterprise.
[08:52] <Linforcer> ;)
[08:52] <linux_galore> antix: just download firefox from the home page unpack the tarball then run the install as a user once thats done just creat a link on your desktop or task bar to the firefox  binary  ie /home/user_name/Documents/firefox-installer/firefox
[08:52] <moua> Burgundavia : what i mean... can we tweak it easily (for geeks) ?
[08:52] <Stereo> ubuntu is african for oarsmen to the bathtubs
[08:52] <Burgundavia> moua, sure, as tweakable as debian is
[08:52] <moua> ok :)
[08:52] <Predius> Actually, which Linux is not?
[08:52] <Linforcer> linux_galore, when I did it like that I got probs with libmozjs
[08:52] <moua> let's test ubuntu ;)
[08:53] <Predius> Suse has some problems with Yast and manually configuring, but I don't know more.
[08:53] <moua> Predius : lindows ?
[08:53] <dabaSlon> haha stereo././.lol
[08:53] <linux_galore> Linforcer: did you install it in your home directory
[08:53] <Linforcer> linux_galore, ya
[08:53] <antix> linux_galore, ok thanks I'll try that
[08:53] <linux_galore> Linforcer: type  rm -rf  ~/.mozilla/
[08:53] <Linforcer> >.>
[08:54] <Predius> Linspire, moua
[08:54] <Predius> never tried it, probably never wil.
[08:54] <moua> Predius : i mean, Linsipe is not a very "geek" distrib
[08:54] <Predius> yeah
[08:54] <linux_galore> Linforcer: I found old plugins and extensions can make firefox break if you do a fresh install
[08:54] <Linforcer> linux_galore, never mind 102 will do
[08:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do i make apt-get not try to use a cd, but go online?
[08:54] <_luke_> anyone know how to restart the entire network interface?
[08:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> ifconfig eth0?
[08:55] <Linforcer> linux_galore, dont wanna reget all that stuff >.>
[08:55] <linux_galore> Linforcer:  1.03/4 is way faster than 1.02
[08:55] <Predius> ifconfig eth0 down
[08:55] <Predius> ifconfig eth0 up
[08:55] <Burgundavia> BROKEN_LADDER, go into synaptic and remove the cd rom from your sources list
[08:55] <_luke_> thanks predius
[08:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> can't i do it from the command line?
[08:55] <moua> where is ubuntu between debian, Linsipe mandrake and fedora (and maybe suse) ?
[08:55] <Burgundavia> BROKEN_LADDER, sure, edit sources.list
[08:55] <Predius> As in?
[08:55] <Linforcer> moua off the scale xD
[08:55] <Predius> moua, what do you mean?
[08:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> ah yes..it in source.list
[08:55] <linux_galore> Linforcer: well you can also go  mv ~/.mozilla   ~/mozilla-old
[08:56] <linux_galore> Linforcer: that way you dont lose anything
[08:56] <moua> Predius : for what kind of people ubuntu is mainly made for ?
[08:56] <Linforcer> meh.. I'll try it some time I havent been up for around 24 hrs
[08:56] <Linforcer> thanks anyway
[08:56] <Linforcer> xD
[08:56] <Burgundavia> moua, anybody, but mainly desktop users
[08:56] <moua> (and don't answer me anyone ;) )
[08:57] <dabaSlon> ubuntu is linux for humans.
[08:57] <Linforcer> moua it was made ESPECIALLY FOR YOU
[08:57] <dabaSlon> there.
[08:57] <Linforcer> xD
[08:57] <RUBY> hello!!! pleas answer what is it:
[08:57] <RUBY> May 15 14:28:57 rt3 dhcpd: bogus UDP packet length: 25421
[08:57] <RUBY> May 15 14:28:57 rt3 dhcpd: bogus UDP packet length: 25427
[08:57] <RUBY> ?
[08:57] <dabaSlon> lol
[08:57] <BBurger> moua: "Linux For Human Beings" is what it says on the box... :)
[08:57] <moua> Linforcer : THAT is the answer :)
[08:57] <TriniTriggs> hey, does anyone here know how to make sound work for flash in firefox?
[08:57] <BBurger> ... or it would, if it came in a box
[08:57] <Linforcer> haha
[08:57] <tweakism> Anyone here familiar with Daniel Quinn and his series of books including Ishmael?  Ubuntu's "system that works for people" is pretty harmonious with his ideas (that I also like :)
[08:57] <tweakism> +idea of
[08:58] <Burgundavia> TriniTriggs, yes, just a sec
[08:58] <Predius> everyone, moua
[08:58] <ekCo> when using xchat, how do you add extra channels to auto join?
[08:58] <Burgundavia> TriniTriggs, do this 'sudo ln -fs /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1'
[08:58] <Burgundavia> ekCo, edit the server list
[08:58] <dabaSlon> ruby, a udp packet with a bogus length, where did you get that?
[08:58] <ekCo> yeah, but you can only put one in there, like #chan1
[08:58] <TriniTriggs> sweet
[08:58] <RUBY> this my router logs
[08:58] <TriniTriggs> thanks
[08:59] <TriniTriggs> why isn't that set by default?
[08:59] <dabaSlon> ruby, and...
[08:59] <ekCo> how do you add me? with a space, or commar?
[08:59] <Burgundavia> TriniTriggs, no idea
[08:59] <Burgundavia> ekCo, comma
[08:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> if anyone knows how to get the spdif digital optical out working from alsamixer or whatever, i'd love to know.
[08:59] <TriniTriggs> I'm sure it's coming
[08:59] <TriniTriggs> thanks
[08:59] <ekCo> kthnx
[08:59] <RUBY> router atack IMHO
[08:59] <Burgundavia> TriniTriggs, there is some work with audio for the next release
[08:59] <capi> whats the main differences between /usr/src and /usr/local/src ?
[09:00] <dabaSlon> ruby, youll be fine:0
[09:00] <RUBY> he
[09:00] <dabaSlon> they are subdirectories under a diff directory:-p
[09:00] <bdmp> got a question I am doing a wireless install faq and the command they want me to do is"cd /usr/src
[09:00] <bdmp> tar xvzf ~/ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz
[09:00] <bdmp> " ,but when I do it I get "root@chibi:/usr/src # tar xvzf ~/ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz
[09:00] <bdmp> tar: /root/ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[09:00] <bdmp> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[09:00] <bdmp> tar: Child returned status 2
[09:00] <bdmp> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[09:00] <bdmp> ".  When i do ls i get,"root@chibi:/usr/src # ls
[09:00] <dabaSlon> man, that blake is slow...
[09:00] <bdmp> linux-headers-2.6.10-5  linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386  ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz  rpm
[09:01] <bdmp> "  The file is right there in the ls, but it says its not. Whats going on?
[09:01] <dabaSlon> bla bla
[09:01] <dabaSlon> uyp
[09:01] <dabaSlon> lol
[09:01] <RUBY> where print bogus udp in this time local area connection be absent
[09:01] <moua> lol.. i found that page searching for ubuntu shoots : http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/ it's so true :)
[09:02] <dabaSlon> um, bdmp, the file is in /root?
[09:02] <bdmp> what does that mean? isn't it in /usr/src?
[09:02] <bdmp> oh
[09:02] <bdmp> I see
[09:02] <dabaSlon> you did a ~/, whiich means, yeah...
[09:02] <dabaSlon> ./
[09:02] <bdmp> it is in the root account not the user account
[09:02] <dabaSlon> or just nothing...
[09:03] <dabaSlon> nope, maybe the other way around...
[09:03] <bdmp> wait. explain that once more.
[09:03] <dabaSlon> well, I never did...
[09:03] <dabaSlon> anyhow, what is the directory it is under>?
[09:04] <bdmp> what is the difference between ./ and the other one
[09:04] <dabaSlon> . means this, ~ means home dir.
[09:04] <RUBY> dabaSlon What ideas in this occasion are?
[09:04] <bdmp> root@chibi:/usr/src # ls
[09:04] <bdmp> linux-headers-2.6.10-5  linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386  ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz  rpm
[09:04] <bdmp> . so it is in the root right
[09:04] <dabaSlon> ruby, not sure of your english there, but, you should be fine for attacks...
[09:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> oops...there's an error on the ubuntu site.
[09:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> This is an interim page, that does not show more then some basic data from the dataset.
[09:04] <RedNeck_> Will it be posible to install KDE in Ubuntu?
[09:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> easy as pie
[09:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> apt-get install kde
[09:05] <dabaSlon> nope, it is in the, tar xvzf ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz
[09:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> takes a few seconds.
[09:05] <dabaSlon> that is the command you want.
[09:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> or, sudo apt-get install kde
[09:05] <RedNeck_> thanks
[09:05] <Burgundavia> RedNeck_, you need kubuntu-desktop not kde
[09:06] <dabaSlon> it is in the same dir as you are , and that is /usr/src
[09:06] <bdmp> yeah do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:06] <dabaSlon> also repped by the . if you did a ls -a
[09:06] <RUBY> dabaSlon Broad gullies of my router show simply such messages and it hangs during this moment
[09:06] <dabaSlon> in that directory, off course, in another, it would mean the current directory.
[09:06] <linux_galore> Ive figured out how to get firefox to ignore all adds.....just put  */ads/*  in the spam filter
[09:07] <dabaSlon> routers suck, imho, but, your OEM may know more.
[09:07] <antix> linux_galore, I installed firefox as you said but it doesn't use .mozilla with my bookmarks etc?
[09:07] <linux_galore> addblock spam filter  sorry
[09:07] <bdmp> dabaSlon: I am not following.  Where is the ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz? right? it's in the " tar xvzf ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz" ? isn't that just a command?
[09:08] <linux_galore> antix: you can tell firefox to import them
[09:08] <dabaSlon> it is the command you need, it is where you are now, and that is /usr/src
[09:08] <bdmp> oh I se
[09:08] <dabaSlon> there, that says it.
[09:08] <bdmp> ok
[09:08] <bdmp> sorry
[09:08] <dabaSlon> ~ means home for current user, and in your case, tsk, tsk, it is /root
[09:08] <bdmp> I confuse my self
[09:08] <dabaSlon> I am high, that doesnt help either...
[09:09] <bdmp> ha
[09:09] <dabaSlon> on the explanation part.
[09:09] <dabaSlon> . means current foklder.
[09:09] <bdmp> oh
[09:09] <dabaSlon> so  tar ./tar xvzf ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz would have also worked.
[09:09] <bdmp> right
[09:10] <bdmp> word
[09:10] <antix> linux_galore, do you know which dir the new firefox use for settings? I can't import as the Next button doesn't work in Import.. strange
[09:10] <linux_galore> have to be carefull if you install firefox 1.04 old extensions can break it so often you have to type  mv ~/.mozilla/  mozilla-old
[09:10] <dabaSlon> if there was a /usr/src/bin, then if you were there, tar ../tar xvzf ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz
[09:10] <dabaSlon> cause, .. means parent folder.
[09:10] <linux_galore> antix: on my system firefox uses  ~/.mozilla/
[09:10] <dabaSlon> I love my little Unix lessons.
[09:10] <bdmp> wait why 2 dots?
[09:11] <RUBY> dabaSlon We have a router on the basis of Linux Fedora Core 3. Has disconnected dhcpd a router like as works stably as soon as I start dhcpd the router hangs after a while and after it  in broad gullies messages stand out: dhcpd: bogus UDP packet length: 25421 dhcpd: bogus UDP packet length: 25427 dhcpd: bogus UDP packet length: 25421
[09:11] <dabaSlon> cause cd ..
[09:11] <dabaSlon> I am ESL, guilles is portuguese for me.
[09:11] <RUBY> dabaSlon We have a router on the basis of Linux Fedora Core 3. Has disconnected dhcpd a router like as works stably as soon as I start dhcpd the router hangs after a while and after it restarting in broad gullies messages stand out: dhcpd: bogus UDP packet length: 25421 dhcpd: bogus UDP packet length: 25427 dhcpd: bogus UDP packet length: 25421
[09:12] <Predius> RUBY, #fedora
[09:12] <RUBY> ok!
[09:12] <dabaSlon> I dont know about routers. THey work in the network layer of the OSI model;)
[09:13] <srid> anjuta2 released!!! .. update the ubuntu package!!
[09:13] <dabaSlon> yay
[09:13] <Predius> anjuta?
[09:13] <dabaSlon> let me update and uograde
[09:13] <Predius> Explain?
[09:13] <dabaSlon> cya ruby,..
[09:13] <Predius> What is it?
[09:13] <dabaSlon> update...
[09:13] <dabaSlon> yay
[09:14] <Predius> ah, like Kdevelop?
[09:14] <antix> linux_galore, here too when I moved the old it created a new .mozilla.. I guess I'll just wait until there is a 1.0.4 ubuntu package. is it possible to see the progress on that somewhere?
[09:14] <dabaSlon> Predius: google;)
[09:14] <Predius> I apt-cache searched it. Easier, geekier.
[09:15] <Predius> brb again, guys.
[09:15] <srid> dabaSlon, oh, you are the maintainer of anjuta package?
[09:16] <dabaSlon> ok, night, srid
[09:16] <dabaSlon> no.
[09:16] <srid> oh
[09:18] <bigbill52a> someone else is from yuma, az on the same internet server...
[09:19] <linux_galore> antix: wouldnt know
[09:19] <bigbill52a> they just came and went...
[09:20] <bigbill52a> there are at least 2 people using ubuntu here...
[09:20] <linux_galore> lol
[09:20] <jeff_co> linux_galore, so do you still recommend i get QT even if I can use skype?
[09:20] <linux_galore> jeff_co: skype wont run without QT
[09:21] <capi> When updating the repositories on the ubuntuguide, it says to something with gpg. What is the purpose of the gpg key commands?
[09:21] <jeff_co> linux_galore, oh, maybe that means I've got QT, right?
[09:21] <Predius> security, capi
[09:21] <linux_galore> jeff_co: i use the KDE desktop so Qt is isntalled anyway, all i need then is to download the standard skype client from the skype home page
[09:21] <TheKark> oh yeah, just set up my gentoo samba server thing
[09:21] <Burgundavia> capi, to prevent an error, and you should use the backports hoary-extras rather than marilliat
[09:21] <linux_galore> jeff_co: if you can run skype and the UI pops up it means Qt is installed
[09:21] <Predius> they make sure that those are the real packages
[09:22] <jeff_co> linux_galore, thanks. QTmust have come with the Gnome desktop, i guess?
[09:22] <linux_galore> jeff_co: no QT isnt part of gnome  gnome uses gtk
[09:22] <capi> I didn't use marilliat, never works right for me. So do I just execute those commands every time I add a new repo. Or will the command be different for different repos?
[09:23] <jeff_co> ok.
[09:24] <Burgundavia> capi, different repos will have different keys
[09:24] <capi> how do I find the correct repo keys then?
[09:24] <TheKark> anyone know why my pentium 3 keeps freezing when loading grub, but then after a restart, works fine?
[09:24] <Burgundavia> capi,  for what?
[09:25] <Burgundavia> capi, most repos haven't switched over to signing
[09:25] <linux_galore> TheKark: sounds like an acpi problem
[09:25] <linux_galore> TheKark: do you use an intel chipset (not just the cpu) on the motherboard
[09:25] <capi> okay, so not all repos will have a gpg key?
[09:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone know how to install audacity?
[09:25] <TheKark> linux_galore: hmm, i dunno
[09:25] <Burgundavia> capi, some will, but all you need is ubuntu and the hoary-extras
[09:26] <linux_galore> TheKark: also make sure plug and play is disabled in the bios and turn of any power management
[09:26] <TheKark> linux_galore: alright, ill check that out
[09:27] <TheKark> linux_galore: um, plug and play for what? pci?
[09:27] <linux_galore> TheKark:   lspci -v|grep -iA 6 "host bridge"
[09:27] <bdmp> Can some one answer this question? this is my second time trying to install wireless.  I did the command"root@chibi:/home/bdmp/windows_drivers # ndiswrapper -i /windows_drivers/bcmwl5.inf
[09:27] <bdmp> " and it said,"bcmwl5 is already installed. Use -e to remove it
[09:27] <bdmp> ". Does that mean that the command that I should do to remove the old file is" # ndiswrapper -e /windows_drivers/bcmwl5.inf
[09:27] <bdmp> "? The file has the same name but it is actually different I think.
[09:28] <linux_galore> TheKark: most of the stuff on the bios the kernel bins when it boots
[09:28] <linux_galore> TheKark: some things can cause conflicts
[09:28] <TheKark> linux_galore: right..
[09:29] <TheKark> linux_galore: just let me boot, then Ill check out the lspci
[09:30] <linux_galore> heeeelp Im turning into a nix geek
[09:31] <TheKark> my gentoo machine doesn't have lspci :(
[09:31] <TheKark> hehe
[09:31] <linux_galore> TheKark: might be a root only option
[09:31] <TheKark> linux_galore: im logged in as root
[09:32] <linux_galore> TheKark:  su  -   -c  lspci  -v|grep  -iA  6  "host bridge"
[09:32] <linux_galore> heh suck on that one
[09:32] <TheKark> yup
[09:32] <ekCo> how do you install nvidia pci-e drivers?
[09:32] <linux_galore> strange ive used Vidalinux and lspci is there
[09:33] <TheKark> oh well, i'm sure it's something weird with the computer... now on to my next question, starting samba on boot
[09:33] <linux_galore> Vidalinux == Gentoo
[09:33] <TheKark> i just build a stage 2 on that machine
[09:33] <ekCo> how do you install nvidia pci-e drivers?
[09:33] <daniels> ekCo: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto, please don't repeat
[09:34] <TheKark> i never got to installing anything past the kernel and a couple other things
[09:34] <ekCo> yeah soz, i was in another window and pressed up ;p;
[09:34] <ekCo> wrong window*
[09:34] <linux_galore> TheKark: well Vidalinux is like an easy very of gentoo
[09:34] <linux_galore> version*
[09:35] <TheKark> linux_galore: really, maybe i'll check that one out in a bit
[09:35] <TheKark> linux_galore: i installed gentoo on dialup so it was slllllloooowww
[09:35] <bdmp> Can some one tell me how to get out of man pages?
[09:35] <linux_galore> TheKark: get gentoo and put an easy installer on it and you have Vidalinux
[09:36] <linux_galore> TheKark: have to be game to use a gentoo ebuild distro with dial up
[09:37] <bigbill52a> q i think
[09:37] <TheKark> linux_galore: heh, yeah, that's why i shall use this machine as a samba server, didn't take long to download/compile
[09:37] <stuNNed> is it true that you can install vidalinux and update using commands to make it a true gentoo install
[09:37] <bigbill52a> yep  to get out of man pages...just press q
[09:38] <bigbill52a> bdmp...just press q
[09:38] <patfm> anyone know if suspend works with vaio laptops?
[09:38] <bdmp> thanks
[09:41] <shad0w1e> I'm having a couple of problems with my linux. I'm using NVIDIA drivers and my fonts became huge.. also quake 3 give me a "cannot open OpenGL" error. Is there a special Nvidia config program I need to use?
[09:41] <BBurger> does anyone know if the new LightScribe CD/DVD burners will work in Ubuntu? looks like cool tech, thinking of buying one
[09:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i specify which device a program will use to record or play sound?
[09:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> say i want different programs to use different sound devices for different t hings
[09:41] <TheKark> shad0w1e: is your xorg.conf set to use the nvidia drivers?
[09:42] <shad0w1e> shad0w1e: yes
[09:42] <shad0w1e> I get the "nvidia" screen when I go into X
[09:42] <shad0w1e> 3d is also working in unreal tournament
[09:42] <count0nz> glxgears work ?
[09:42] <shad0w1e> but KDE's fonts are much bigger since I started using the nvidia driver, and this other problem...
[09:42] <ekCo> my nvidia drivers have been skrewed.. how can i reinstall them?
[09:43] <Raquen> an application can read .wmv extension file?
[09:43] <hayden> how would ubuntu run on a 450-800mhz computer? with/without gui
[09:43] <shad0w1e> hayden: of course!
[09:43] <shad0w1e> hayden: i was just running it on a p2 266 with 192 ram
[09:43] <shad0w1e> with X
[09:43] <drummer> how do you set the display pic for an msn account in gaim?
[09:43] <count0nz> hayden: 733 P2 233 with 192 meg ram runs just fine also :)
[09:43] <shad0w1e> it was slowish but most definitely usable
[09:43] <hayden> ok
[09:44] <count0nz> and lol that was KDE
[09:44] <shad0w1e> yes that was with KDE
[09:44] <hayden> i was just thinking about buying an old p3 or similar and using it as an experimental computer/server
[09:44] <shad0w1e> GNOME was even slower, interestingly enough...
[09:44] <hayden> hmm
[09:44] <shad0w1e> hayden: great ide
[09:44] <shad0w1e> idea
[09:44] <TheKark> drummer: in the accounts menu
[09:44] <count0nz> P3's are genraly faster for servers then celerons even
[09:44] <shad0w1e> although you shouldnt have to buy one
[09:44] <shad0w1e> people are throwing them out!
[09:45] <TheKark> drummer: then goto your msn account then edit then there should be a buddy icon or something
[09:45] <shad0w1e> I just inherited a p3 866 mhz with 128 ram, as well as a 1GHZ athlon
[09:45] <Kimppa> Hello. I have a weird problem. I haven't been able to play my mp3's with xmms/amarok  since I last upgraded. I can however play mp3s with eg totem movie player. o_O
[09:45] <Kimppa> xmms just freezes when I try to play a song
[09:45] <hayden> shad0w1e: whoa, thats pretty good
[09:46] <ekCo> how do i uninstall nvidia drivers?
[09:46] <drummer> thanks
[09:46] <shad0w1e> shad0w1e: Yes, I upgraded someones comp and they gave me their old one...
[09:46] <drummer> couldn't see it anywhere
[09:46] <hayden> shad0w1e: at the moment i have debian installed on my evaluation copy of vmware on my laptop
[09:46] <shad0w1e> not the way to really use it...
[09:46] <hayden> nah
[09:46] <TheKark> drummer: it is hiding
[09:47] <shad0w1e> I say get a P3, put linux on it, host a website, an ftp, and some unreal tournament
[09:47] <hayden> yep
[09:47] <shad0w1e> I just upgraded from a p2 266 to a P3 500, for my linux server
[09:48] <shad0w1e> they all run linux at okay speeds
[09:48] <count0nz> this is how fast my P3 733 with 512meg is Calibrating delay loop... 1449.98 BogoMIPS (lpj=724992)
[09:48] <hayden> how did the 266 run, did it slow down at all when accessing big files, or having alot of connections on it
[09:48] <shad0w1e> hayden: I only used it as a router, really
[09:48] <hayden> yea
[09:48] <shad0w1e> BUT, I used a p3 500 with 256 ram for a whole lot
[09:49] <TheKark> old computers of for routers
[09:49] <shad0w1e> I mean, like 3 vnc sessions open simultaneously running KDE, plus FTP and other junk, and it was fine
[09:49] <hayden> ok
[09:49] <shad0w1e> the thing about servers is you arent sitting at the machine, so speeds are measured very differently
[09:49] <hayden> yea
[09:49] <shad0w1e> a p3 might even be better than a p4
[09:50] <hayden> how is that?
[09:50] <shad0w1e> supposedly a p3 is a better chip, but a p4 has better clock speeds
[09:50] <shad0w1e> but i dont know...
[09:50] <tim7575> All: Dethread just tried help me edit my xorg.config so my screen stopped looking crazy, but we couldnt get it fixed.. anyone else wanna try?
[09:50] <jcinacio> true
[09:51] <shad0w1e> a p3 will run windows xp like crap, but itll run a server great, for example
[09:51] <hayden> yep
[09:52] <ekCo> hmmg
[09:52] <ekCo> glxgears is running at 10fps
[09:52] <count0nz> P3 has 512K cache ram Celecon 256..... and technicly a P3 shuld beat a higher clocked Celeron chip for some things
[09:52] <tirade> I've got this strange thing happening where most sound--system events, Rhythmbox--comes out of my onboard intel output. But anything in Totem/Xine goes through the soundblaster.
[09:52] <ekCo> drivers are up to date?
[09:52] <ekCo> how can reinstall the drivers?
[09:53] <PrediusV2> Night guys.
[09:53] <tirade> anyone know how I can change Totem/Xine so they use the onboard sound and not the soundblaster?
[09:53] <count0nz> Night PrediusV2
[09:54] <mandingo> I'm getting a couple errors starting X. First off it is telling me that it is skipping all of the libGLcore files because they're not found, finally it gives me an errors saying there are no devices detected
[09:54] <mandingo> can anyone give me any insight into this?
[09:54] <shad0w1e> so anyone know why my I'm getting this:
[09:54] <shad0w1e> Sys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem
[09:54] <count0nz> ekCo, check you have glx commented and and glcore added in its place
[09:54] <shad0w1e> in quake 3 ?
[09:54] <count0nz> in your xorg.conf
[09:54] <TheKark> yaa, samba is working
[09:54] <ekCo> count0nz, where?
[09:54] <count0nz> also i disable DRU i don't think that matters tho
[09:54] <mandingo> ekCo: /etc/X11/xorg.cong
[09:54] <mandingo> ekCo: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:55] <count0nz> yes xorg.conf
[09:55] <count0nz> DRI i mean
[09:55] <ekCo> ok
[09:55] <ekCo> brb
[09:56] <TheKark> anyone know of a good cheap switch to buy?
[09:56] <count0nz> Section "Module"
[09:56] <count0nz>         Load    "glcore"
[09:56] <count0nz>         Load    "bitmap"
[09:56] <count0nz> ..
[09:56] <count0nz> #       Load    "dri"
[09:56] <count0nz> #       Load    "glx"
[09:57] <ivoks> lol..
[09:57] <ivoks> no 3D? :)
[09:57] <daniels> count0nz: don't disable glx
[09:58] <TheKark> or dri
[09:58] <count0nz> ohhh lol ok
[09:58] <ivoks> just disable "GLcore"
[09:58] <ivoks> if that's nvidia driver
[09:58] <count0nz> Oh ok :) i got mixed up sorry :) i'll change my connfig too
[09:59] <daniels> leave glx enabled, disable dri and glcore
[09:59] <daniels> (glcore is server-side unaccelerated rendering, dri is the module for specifically using dri on the client side, and glx is needed for generic accelerated direct rendering)
[10:00] <metalsand> 'Morning ivoks, daniels
[10:00] <metalsand> :]
[10:00] <count0nz> :) kewl thx daniels.... i read the howto wrong
[10:00] <shad0w1e> could anyone help me? quake 3 wont boot, it says can't find libGL.so. my 3d driver is working properly...
[10:00] <ivoks> oh no, metalsand :)
[10:00] <ivoks> bye all
[10:00] <daniels> metalsand: yo
[10:00] <ivoks> :))
[10:00] <metalsand> ivoks, don't be woried, I have no questions
[10:00] <metalsand> :P
[10:00] <count0nz> works fine tho lol
[10:00] <metalsand> I'm not even in Linux right now :x
[10:00] <shad0w1e> well unreal tournament works
[10:01] <metalsand> Anyone know the package name of the file that edits the gnome panels/splash menu?
[10:02] <bdmp> lil' help? The faq that I am using to set up my wireless says "To see if your card is working goto Computer->System Configuration->Networking and see if your wireless network card is listed", but I don't see this path anywhere. Any suggestions?
[10:02] <mandingo> sh: /usr/sbin/pmi: No such file or directory
[10:02] <mandingo> anyone know why I'm getting that when trying to run gdm?
[10:02] <tim7575> anyone able to help a newbie configure my linux box to work on my home wifi network?
[10:02] <metalsand> tim7575: What do you need help with? I may be able to help you out
[10:03] <tim7575> just getting it set up
[10:03] <metalsand> Sure. I'll help in any way possible
[10:03] <bdmp> tim7575 use this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[10:03] <tim7575> metalsand: i have a netgear pci card
[10:03] <bdmp> i need help too
[10:03] <bdmp> i am almost done
[10:04] <bdmp> I have been working on this for like 2 days
[10:04] <tim7575> ok
[10:04] <metalsand> tim7575: PCI card of PCMCIA card?
[10:05] <tim7575> pci
[10:05] <tim7575> im on a laptop atm with pcmcia... the linux box is pci
[10:06] <klaas> hi @ all
[10:06] <metalsand> So, you're able to connect to the network with one machine, but not with the linux box?
[10:06] <RedNeck_> hello, Where can I download KDE for Ubuntu?
[10:07] <metalsand> RedNeck_: sudo apt-get install kubuntu
[10:07] <count0nz> RedNeck_,  type sudo apt-get install kde
[10:07] <metalsand> I believe
[10:07] <bdmp> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:07] <bdmp> is correct
[10:07] <metalsand> I was half right ;)
[10:07] <w1gg3r> if I install kubuntu desktop will it work worth a fruck?
[10:07] <bdmp> yeah
[10:07] <count0nz> whats kubantu-desktop do if you just installed kde ?
[10:07] <bdmp> except wireless
[10:08] <klaas> i've got a question about tuxracer, doen anyone knows tuxracer?
[10:08] <bdmp> what do you mean?
[10:08] <bdmp> it would do nothing
[10:08] <Choubaka> ??
[10:08] <bdmp> or maybe fill in the gaps
[10:08] <Choubaka> kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage which install KDE and some default software.
[10:08] <Choubaka> installs*
[10:09] <Choubaka> ie. if you install the package, you will have kubuntu :)
[10:09] <count0nz> ok kewl works post kde install nice :)
[10:09] <babs> hi
[10:09] <count0nz> :P
[10:09] <tim7575> ok, so how do i get the driver files out of my netgear cd and into $home/windows_drivers/?
[10:09] <w1gg3r> tuxracer worked real sucky until i got my video setup perfectly
[10:10] <bdmp> you can download them from the link on the faq i gave you
[10:10] <babs> yesterday I wanted to install gdesklets on ubuntu
[10:10] <babs> however got a GtkDepreciated something error
[10:10] <babs> I have ubuntu warty.... is
[10:10] <bdmp> or install it on a linux box and go in and find them
[10:10] <bdmp> the first being the easiest
[10:10] <babs> is gdesklets only working on ubuntu hoary???
[10:11] <tim7575> k
[10:11] <bdmp> lil' help? The faq that I am using to set up my wireless says "To see if your card is working goto Computer->System Configuration->Networking and see if your wireless network card is listed", but I don't see this path anywhere. Any suggestions?
[10:11] <RedNeck_> matalsand don't I need to download kde first?
[10:11] <w1gg3r> gdesklets are a memory hog unless you have a bunch
[10:11] <count0nz> RedNeck_, no it will do it for you automagicly
[10:12] <w1gg3r> gdesklets work in debian and probably everyfken other thing that uses gnome
[10:12] <count0nz> now if only i can get xawdecode to work :)
[10:13] <RedNeck_> matalsand E:Couldn't find packaga kubuntu
[10:13] <count0nz> kubuntu-desktop
[10:16] <RedNeck_> countOnz doesn't work
[10:17] <count0nz> sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:17] <count0nz> maby you need uneverse ?
[10:17] <count0nz> ## team.
[10:17] <count0nz>  deb http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[10:17] <count0nz>  deb-src http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[10:18] <w1gg3r> yea, i cant get xaw to work with my win98tv card either event though it recognises it
[10:18] <count0nz> works here
[10:18] <Burgundavia> count0nz, kubuntu-desktop is in main
[10:19] <Burgundavia> RedNeck_, what doesn't work and how?
[10:19] <count0nz> get tvtime
[10:19] <count0nz> works here
[10:19] <RedNeck_> countOnz I installed ubuntu from a CD
[10:19] <Burgundavia> RedNeck_, remove the cd from your sources lists
[10:19] <count0nz> i don't know why its not working for you RedNeck_ :(
[10:20] <babs> hmm... yes gdesklet should work... but in my case not on hoary.... did anybody get to work gdesklet on ubuntu hoary?
[10:20] <count0nz> xawtv aparent hates hoary :)
[10:21] <Burgundavia> babs, some are broken
[10:21] <w1gg3r> sluty hoary
[10:21] <RedNeck_> countOnz E: Couldn't find package kubutu-desktop
[10:21] <count0nz> xdtv looks good but not in the repository
[10:21] <Choubaka> duh
[10:22] <Choubaka> typo :P
[10:22] <Choubaka> RedNeck_: kubuntu-desktop
[10:22] <w1gg3r> ubuntu is the best frken linux out there imo
[10:23] <count0nz> ubantu sucks ... (jk)
[10:23] <Choubaka> Many people think similarly. :)
[10:23] <RedNeck_> countOnz E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[10:23] <Burgundavia> RedNeck_, can you /query me the error?
[10:23] <meng> place hoary repos and universe repos
[10:23] <w1gg3r> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[10:24] <babs> burgundavia, what is broken?
[10:24] <count0nz> ## team.
[10:24] <count0nz>  deb http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[10:24] <count0nz>  deb-src http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[10:24] <count0nz> arrg
[10:24] <count0nz> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:24] <Burgundavia> babs, no idea, trying to fix RedNeck_'s issue
[10:25] <Choubaka> RedNeck_: do you have any network repositories?
[10:25] <babs> burgundavia, thanks anyway
[10:26] <count0nz> only thing is lol i keep typeing emerge to install things :)
[10:27] <Choubaka> hehe
[10:27] <w1gg3r> redneck, have you ever done an apt-get update - dunno since i don't have ubuntu installed at the moment
[10:27] <Choubaka> well, you can do alias emerge='apt-get install'
[10:27] <count0nz> lol
[10:27] <RedNeck_> No
[10:28] <Choubaka> RedNeck_: add the network repositories and do apt-get update
[10:29] <Choubaka> hoary-updates, ubuntu main, restricted, universe and multiverse, and hoary-security
[10:30] <tim7575> slight problem with installing ndis wrapper on the linux box, it wants me to use a apt-get command, now thats a command to downlaod a program isnt it? problem is im trying to use ndis wrapper to get my internet connection to work
[10:30] <tim7575> ...
[10:31] <Choubaka> tim7575: apt can also get stuff from the CD
[10:31] <undre6k> Sup all,  Im looking for a how to on how to make a bittorrent folder daemon
[10:31] <w1gg3r> redneck, you probably need to uncomment the repositories in you /etc/apt/sources.list before apt-get update for the universe
[10:31] <Choubaka> undre6k: a what?
[10:31] <tim7575> ok so if i put the ubuntu disk in the cd drive itll work?
[10:32] <Choubaka> if you have the CD in the sources, yes.
[10:32] <count0nz> whats multiverse that backports ?
[10:32] <Choubaka> it should
[10:32] <Choubaka> count0nz: ?
[10:32] <count0nz> # Back ports for Ubantu
[10:32] <count0nz> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[10:32] <tim7575> k thanks
[10:32] <Burgundavia> count0nz, mulitverse is legally questionable stuff
[10:32] <Burgundavia> or non-free stuff
[10:32] <Choubaka> nah
[10:32] <Choubaka> it's just non-free. like rar etc.
[10:32] <count0nz> ok thanks
[10:33] <undre6k> i saw somewhere that you cant setup a folder that automatically d/ls any torrent that is dropped in it
[10:33] <Choubaka> tim7575: you also need your windows driver. .P
[10:33] <Choubaka> undre6k: hmm.
[10:33] <Burgundavia> undre6k, no, never heard of any os that does that
[10:33] <tim7575> "E: couldnt find package builderessential"
[10:33] <Choubaka> OSs don't do such things :P
[10:33] <Burgundavia> tim7575, build-essential
[10:33] <_23meg> hi, does anyone know what path xfce4 themes are installed in?
[10:33] <Choubaka> tim7575: build-essential
[10:33] <Burgundavia> you coudl write a script for that
[10:33] <Choubaka> Burgundavia: hmm
[10:33] <ekCo> hello, my nvidia drivers wont install
[10:34] <ekCo> im getting 10fps in glxgears
[10:34] <Choubaka> ekCo: how are you trying to install them?
[10:34] <slept> _23meg, dpkg -L packagename
[10:34] <undre6k> Burgundavia yeah I'm wondering if anyone has a template
[10:34] <Burgundavia> ekCo, have you followed wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:34] <ekCo> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:34] <ekCo> yes
[10:34] <Choubaka> you need also restricted-modules
[10:34] <ekCo> aparantly monitor 0 doesnt support nv, but when swapping to nvidia it doesnt display
[10:34] <tim7575> ok kool thanks
[10:35] <Choubaka> ekCo: do you have the nvidia module loaded? :P
[10:35] <_23meg> hmm, themes aren't installed via apt though..
[10:35] <ekCo> no
[10:35] <Choubaka> _23meg: some of them are
[10:35] <ekCo> nvidia logo doesn't display on boot either
[10:35] <Choubaka> ekCo: you need that.
[10:35] <Choubaka> gimme uname -r
[10:35] <Kimppa> Hello again..... I try to play some mp3s but for example amarok tells me /dev/dsp is busy, although I have no other "extra" software running and I've just booted X
[10:36] <Kimppa> how can I find out which software is reserving dsp
[10:36] <Choubaka> Kimppa: change amarok to use esd or artsd
[10:36] <ekCo> 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
[10:36] <_23meg> actually, i'm not going to use the themes with xfce
[10:36] <_23meg> i'm using them with gnome, and would like to edit some colors in the xml files
[10:36] <w1gg3r> nvidia driver is tricky, you may need to go to www.nvidia.com to see how to load modules in your modules.conf
[10:36] <Choubaka> nah
[10:37] <Choubaka> .)
[10:37] <Jefis> Is it possible that my ubuntu is owned, i see port's: "4662","37435" are opened
[10:37] <Jefis> how to check, what program opened it :)
[10:37] <RedNeck_> I will be back letme reboot my box
[10:37] <Choubaka> huh?
[10:37] <Choubaka> no
[10:37] <Choubaka> why?
[10:37] <slept> Kimppa, lsof |grep /dev/dsp
[10:37] <Choubaka> ekCo: search for and install an appropriate restricted-modules package.
[10:37] <Kimppa> Choubaka: if I change to some other engine, the song will start playing but I won't actually hear anything. Only gstreamer gives me an error
[10:38] <ekCo> ok, where can i search, it was working fine before..
[10:38] <Choubaka> Kimppa: then your mixer settings are probably wrong
[10:38] <Choubaka> ekCo: apt-cache search restricted-modules
[10:38] <Kimppa> slept: only esd is using it
[10:38] <Kimppa> Choubaka: where can I check those settings?
[10:38] <Choubaka> Kimppa: see if there's some mixer application available
[10:38] <Choubaka> Kimppa: so make amarok use esd.
[10:38] <ekCo> ok now what am i looking for?
[10:39] <Choubaka> something like "restricted linux modules on AMD64"
[10:39] <slept> Kimppa, you can kill it with killall esd or change settings
[10:39] <Choubaka> don't kill it -_--
[10:39] <ekCo> p
[10:39] <ekCo> pm*
[10:40] <Kimppa> Choubaka: only engines available are gstreamer, xine and aRts.. or am I look at the wrong settings?
[10:40] <Choubaka> hmm :|
[10:40] <Choubaka> amarok doesn't know esd?
[10:40] <Kimppa> nope
[10:40] <Kimppa> and xmms is having the same problem as amarok
[10:40] <Kimppa> freezes immediately when I try to play a song
[10:41] <Kimppa> but totem and music player for example can play mp3s well
[10:41] <Kimppa> but ironically, I prefer xmms, and sometimes amarok
[10:41] <Sauron21> hi.....I was wondering how I could find out what grafics card driver my labtop ubuntu is using??
[10:42] <StarMikeSE> Kimppa, sorry for interupting you but can I ask you a question?
[10:42] <Kimppa> StarMikeSE: of course
[10:43] <Sauron21> anyone?
[10:43] <Comamndo> What is the best gui for iptables:Firestarter or Shorewall?
[10:43] <Burgundavia> Sauron21, what model of laptop
[10:43] <Burgundavia> Comamndo, I have used firestarter and it is quite nice
[10:43] <Jefis> 4662/tcp  open  unknown
[10:43] <Jefis> 37435/tcp open  unknown
[10:43] <Jefis>  | what there port's are used for?
[10:44] <Jefis> how to know, what program opened it?
[10:44] <StarMikeSE> Kimppa, I want to install xmms but the source in Linux is out to date, how can I get xmms anyway? I'm compeltey new with Linux
[10:44] <Burgundavia> Jefis, google them
[10:44] <Jefis> ok, but how to kill them?
[10:44] <zanaga> Comamndo: i recommend you just set up shorewall manually, it's dead simple. but webmin has an interface for shorewall too
[10:44] <Burgundavia> StarMikeSE, if you are new to linux, install what is in the repos
[10:44] <Kimppa> get a new sources list, run apt-get update and then apt-get install xmms
[10:44] <Sauron21> Fujitsu siemens E4010 .-.....the card Intel 82852/855......
[10:45] <jeffco> hi everyone. I'm a 1 day old newbie. I'm trying to install my PDA (Palm OS) with my PC. How do i do so? When I plug my pda to the USB port and press the hotsync button on the PDA, nothing happens.
[10:45] <w1gg3r> any filewall progy showing network activity?
[10:45] <Burgundavia> w1gg3r, firestarter will
[10:45] <StarMikeSE> Burgundavia, Well...It stands the link has moved and cannot be downloaded :(
[10:45] <Burgundavia> StarMikeSE, you used synaptic before
[10:45] <klaas> hi
[10:45] <Kimppa> StarMikeSE: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ <- here are instructions on how to edit your sources.list
[10:46] <Burgundavia> jeffco, add the pilot applet to your desktop
[10:46] <klaas> does anyone knows a program where you can check you temps?
[10:46] <klaas> or can you do that by terminal?
[10:46] <Burgundavia> Kimppa, please don't give that to someone new to linux
[10:46] <w1gg3r>  StarMikeSE, uncomment sources
[10:46] <jeffco> Burgundavia, how do i do such?
[10:46] <Kimppa> Burgundavia: actually, I found it pretty useful when I started with linux
[10:46] <Burgundavia> jeffco, right click on panel and choose add to panel
[10:46] <StarMikeSE> Kimppa, Thanks for the information
[10:47] <klaas> wich command do i have to type in the terminal to see my cpu information
[10:47] <Burgundavia> jeffco, then scroll down and choose pilot applet. It is an ugly black and white thing
[10:47] <slept> klaas, cat /proc/cpu
[10:47] <jeffco> Burgundavia, Ok. Done.
[10:47] <jeffco> now what?
[10:47] <Burgundavia> jeffco, no hit that syn button again
[10:47] <Kimppa> so... killing esd is not a good idea? :-/
[10:47] <klaas> thx sletpt
[10:47] <klaas> slept ;)
[10:47] <Burgundavia> Kimppa, yes
[10:48] <Kimppa> so what else can I try to do to get xmms/amarok working?
[10:48] <Burgundavia> Kimppa, change the default backend to esd
[10:48] <Fish-Face> Hey, there. Sometimes Ubuntu decides X should be in 800x600, and refuses to change until I ctrl+alt+bksp
[10:48] <Fish-Face> Is this a known bug?
[10:48] <Kimppa> Burgundavia: Hmm.. how do I do that?
[10:48] <Burgundavia> Fish-Face, search bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:48] <Burgundavia> Kimppa, no idea, I hate xmms
[10:49] <jeffco> Burgundavia, it's not working. Just to let you know, when I hover my mouse over that pilot applet, it says, "Not connected. Restart Daemon to reconnect."
[10:49] <klaas> slept
[10:49] <klaas> cat /proc/cpu
[10:49] <klaas> doesnt work
[10:49] <slept> Kimppa, just kill it it will restart if you need it  , for xmms you can select the output plugin
[10:50] <slept> klaas , its cpuinfo
[10:50] <klaas> thx
[10:50] <Kimppa> ok, got xmms working...
[10:50] <Kimppa> and now I got amarok working! \o/
[10:50] <klaas> and slept, do you know ' thing ' to see my temperatures
[10:50] <Kimppa> thank you a lot!
[10:51] <Kimppa> and I didn't need to kill esd :D
[10:53] <w1gg3r> Kimppa, if at all possible, use alsa (alsaconf) - sound is much better
[10:54] <Bramme> hm, in debian there was an apt-package with some w32-codecs like the wma codec... how's that package called in ubuntu ?
[10:55] <slept> klaas, i think you are looking for lm-sensors
[10:55] <meng> w32codecs
[10:56] <w1gg3r> Bramme, www.ubuntuguide.org to setup video codecs howto's
[10:56] <Fish-Face> OK, the word seems to be WONTFIX
[10:56] <Burgundavia> Fish-Face, for?
[10:56] <Fish-Face> 5917
[10:56] <Bramme> w1gg3r, great site, thx
[10:56] <Fish-Face> This seems to correlate. I had my monitor turned off, at least this morning, I can't recall for the other times
[10:57] <Tomcat_> Bramme: You can also do a search for "haih" on ubuntuforums.org and install the codecs using that script. I highly recommend that.
[10:57] <Fish-Face> But it's highly likely - I often boot without the monitor on.
[10:57] <Bramme> alright: another question: when i set esound as output plugin in xmms, the thing freezes, but with ALSA as output everything is okay
[10:58] <Bramme> what's the problem with esound ?
[10:58] <Fish-Face> it sucks?
[10:58] <w1gg3r> esound is buggy stuff
[10:58] <tim7575> i downlaoded the drivers for my pci wireless card as a .exe file... ndiswrapper wants .inf files??????
[10:59] <ekCo> Choubaka, thankyou!
[10:59] <w1gg3r> no exe files in linux that i know of
[10:59] <tim7575> yeh i thought so
[11:00] <tim7575> so...
[11:00] <w1gg3r> so google your card, and see what to lsmod
[11:01] <tim7575> ok... im a noob though..
[11:02] <w1gg3r> or insmod, what card do you have?
[11:02] <tim7575> netgear wg311T
[11:04] <Bramme> w1gg3r, how do i disable esound then ?
[11:04] <tim7575> .....
[11:06] <tim7575> any help?
[11:07] <w1gg3r> kill it with top or htop
[11:08] <w1gg3r> tim7575, it looks like it might use the madwifi driver for your card
[11:09] <tim7575> oh wait
[11:09] <tim7575> i have the cd from metgear
[11:10] <tim7575> and i found a inf file on that
[11:10] <tim7575> use the winxp drivers?
[11:13] <lesshaste> how do you record audio in ubuntu?
[11:14] <precious> hi there
[11:14] <slept> lesshaste, what kind of stream, cd , line-in ?
[11:14] <mvirkkil> Does anyone know why firefox doesn't have the gnome theme in hoary?
[11:14] <zoo> hello
[11:14] <precious> does ubuntu support some kind of a ports system?
[11:15] <zoo> precious: it uses debian package management
[11:15] <mvirkkil> precious: Like build system?
[11:15] <precious> zoo, tx
[11:15] <precious> mvirkkil yeah
[11:15] <Choubaka> well, apt is nothing like ports
[11:15] <Choubaka> but it does the same thing :)
[11:15] <zoo> precious: ubuntu is neither freebsd nor gentoo
[11:15] <lesshaste> slept, actually from vinyl :)
[11:15] <precious> :)
[11:15] <lesshaste> so plugged into my sound card
[11:15] <mvirkkil> precious: There is a build system that is similar to ports that uses debian source packages to build optimized packages ala gentoo.
[11:16] <Choubaka> I need to install freebsd on my server :/
[11:16] <precious> mvirkkil cool
[11:16] <Choubaka> optimised packages. :P
[11:16] <lesshaste> slept, analog to digital conversion essentially
[11:16] <klaas> hi all, i've got a problem, we've got a us robotics network here, on the router there is a printer plugged, an mfc  9880 , now i want to print something, it gives me a problem, the printer is not in the list, so i went to the brother site and downloaded the drivers for linux ( debian ), that's in a zip file, i opened it and found a map usr
[11:16] <Choubaka> debian's packages are -O2. That's the most you need in 98% of cases. :D
[11:16] <mvirkkil> precious: But using already built binary packages is the most common way, since the packages that matter already exist as optimized versions. (kernel, xine, mplayer)
[11:16] <zoo> How does ubuntu automount external usb/iee1394-drives? only by help of udev or does it need automounter support in kernel?
[11:16] <klaas> i thought i had to paste that in the existing user map ( who is in your OS directtory )
[11:17] <Choubaka> but yes, there's apt-buikd
[11:17] <klaas> i tried, but it gave ma an error : you haven't got the rights,
[11:17] <Burgundavia> zoo, you might want to ask in -devel
[11:17] <precious> mvirkkil but not optimized for _my_ system ;)
[11:17] <klaas> how do i fix that? i need to print
[11:17] <zoo> Burgundavia: thx
[11:18] <Choubaka> precious: optimising them for _your_ system gives no real benefits, really :)
[11:18] <mvirkkil> precious: What kind of odd system do you have. I mean they would be optimized for your computer as long as you have a pc.
[11:18] <Choubaka> except some special packages like mplayer or libc6
[11:18] <Bramme> when i want to umount something and the device is busy (while i'm not using it), what do i have to do ?
[11:18] <mvirkkil> precious: There is absolutely no point in doing further optimization unless you are using an ebedded platform.
[11:18] <Choubaka> of which optimised versions exist :P
[11:18] <__ArAnTxA___> \join #mondoedopolis
[11:19] <precious> Choubaka, mvirkkil: i'm gonna think about that;)
[11:19] <Choubaka> __ArAnTxA___: Go away. :)
[11:19] <precious> i guess you have a point :)
[11:20] <slept> lesshaste, did you look in your applications menu ?
[11:21] <Seveas> Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood(morning|afternoon|evening|night) #ubuntu
[11:21] <tim7575> so why dont the .inf files in the install folder of my netgear driver cd work as drivers in ndiswrapper?
[11:21] <lesshaste> slept, I think audacity is what I need?
[11:22] <slept> does it work ?
[11:22] <Choubaka> tim7575: they don't? what does the manual say?
[11:22] <lesshaste> slept, I don't know yet.  I am trying to work out how to do it
[11:22] <lesshaste> slept, never configued my soundcard at all
[11:22] <tim7575> well i just pulled the .inf file from the winxp folder on the driver cd...
[11:24] <slept> lesshaste, first try to play sounds - to find out of config is ok
[11:24] <sugoruyo> hi
[11:25] <sugoruyo> does anyone know if ubuntu 5.04 can read from ntfs?
[11:25] <slept> yes
[11:25] <w1gg3r> Bramme,  you will need to force unmount
[11:27] <membreya> any breezy users in here?
[11:27] <Choubaka> They're all fixing apt meltdowns.
[11:27] <tim7575> ....
[11:27] <membreya> :P
[11:28] <w1gg3r> tim7575, inf files are for windows, linux uses kernel drivers
[11:28] <membreya> ya..my system melts when I did a dist-upgrade..silly me...
[11:28] <membreya> just wondering if i should bother or just jump back to hoary
[11:28] <Choubaka> w1gg3r: but ndiswrapper uses windows drivers on linux.
[11:28] <lesshaste> slept, I can play sounds.
[11:28] <lesshaste> slept, never tried recording anything
[11:29] <sugoruyo> does anyone know if ubuntu 5.04 can read from ntfs?
[11:29] <Choubaka> yes.
[11:29] <membreya> sugoruyo: indeed
[11:29] <Choubaka> it would be interesting if the rest of driver interfaces were standardised too.
[11:29] <w1gg3r> sugoruyo, no writey though
[11:30] <Choubaka> There's _some_ write support.
[11:30] <Choubaka> but it's basically useless.
[11:30] <slept> lesshaste, you to try , then you'll know if it works
[11:31] <lesshaste> slept, thx.. not very helpful but thx
[11:31] <tim7575> soooo.... whats my solution?
[11:31] <Seveas> willis, ndiswrapper uses .inf files though :)
[11:31] <membreya> breezy is ALMOST making me want windows back :|
[11:31] <Seveas> w1gg3r i meant*
[11:31] <tim7575> thats what im using
[11:31] <Seveas> membreya, breezy is breakage maximus right now, you know that :)
[11:31] <membreya> Seveas: I found that out :P
[11:31] <membreya> my KDE is FUBAR
[11:31] <sugoruyo> i just need read support
[11:32] <Seveas> tim7575, what does ndiswrapper -i say?
[11:32] <sugoruyo> what is breezy? :)
[11:32] <membreya> sugoruyo: the devil in disguise
[11:32] <Seveas> sugoruyo, well, you're setteled then, read support is there :)
[11:32] <tim7575> just gives the list of - options
[11:32] <sugoruyo> lol
[11:32] <Seveas> breezy will be the next version of Ubuntu, it's heavily unstable now
[11:32] <sugoruyo> no really what is it?
[11:32] <slept> lesshaste, you have to find out what your problem is , then people can help you
[11:33] <membreya> extreeeeeeeeeeeemely unstable
[11:33] <Seveas> tim7575, i meant ndiswrapper -i your_inf_file.inf
[11:33] <sugoruyo> oh
[11:33] <membreya> god..they've had a month already to make it stable :P
[11:33] <w1gg3r> Seveas, i wouldn't use windows drivers in linux, that would be like using a v8 engine in your dishwasher
[11:33] <Seveas> membreya, starting tomorrow it will just be more unstable
[11:33] <membreya> say what now? :|
[11:33] <w1gg3r> I would google linux to see what everyone is insmod'ing
[11:33] <Seveas> w1gg3r, sometimes you have no other choice
[11:33] <membreya> w1gg3r: are you saying windows drivers are powerful?
[11:33] <Seveas> there is no broadcom driver for linux...
[11:34] <spacey> buy another card:)
[11:34] <Seveas> hehe
[11:34] <Seveas> gimme money :p
[11:34] <tim7575> "wg311t13.inf is already installed"
[11:34] <sugoruyo> so for ntfs reading i just need to mount the volume?
[11:34] <spacey> spank me
[11:34] <Seveas> tim7575, and ndiswrapper -l?
[11:34] <Seveas> sugoruyo, yes
[11:34] <membreya> Seveas: how you mean its MORE unstable as of tomorrow?
[11:34] <tim7575> "wg311t13.inf invalid driver:"
[11:34] <eurmst> where can i get ntfs support?
[11:34] <Choubaka> membreya: they haven't even _broken_ breezy yet ffs. :P
[11:34] <Seveas> membreya, c++ transition
[11:34] <sugoruyo> any special options for fstab?
[11:35] <tim7575> "wg311t13.inf invalid driver!"
[11:35] <membreya> Choubaka: they have so :P
[11:35] <Choubaka> membreya: remember, they're migrating to GCC 4.0
[11:35] <membreya> well they broke KDE good n proper
[11:35] <Seveas> hmm, tim7575 have you tried using the win2k driver?
[11:35] <membreya> Choubaka: already running 4 :P
[11:35] <Seveas> membreya, but not for c++
[11:35] <Seveas> there's an incompatible abi change
[11:35] <w1gg3r> eurmst, not that I know, but u probably need to insmod ntfs support
[11:35] <Choubaka> They will break it more until 3 months before release.
[11:35] <Seveas> so massive breakage during rebuild
[11:36] <Seveas> eurmst, ntfs is supported by default
[11:36] <Seveas> nothing special needed
[11:36] <membreya> i HAVE to learn...with a dev release of an OS ..if it says "not upgraded" ...it's for a reason ...and i shouldn't do a dist-upgrade it to force it
[11:36] <Choubaka> modprobe ntfs :P
[11:36] <eurmst> how can i actived ut then, because i can't mount my ntfs
[11:36] <Seveas> Choubaka, not needed :)
[11:36] <Choubaka> membreya: :DD
[11:36] <Seveas> mount -t ntfs /dev/yourdrive /mnt/something
[11:36] <Choubaka> I'd run breezy in a chroot :P
[11:36] <membreya> my kubuntu was running beautifully...now I don't even have konqueror :P
[11:37] <membreya> Choubaka: I'm almost tempted to reinstall with hoary
[11:37] <Choubaka> You should do that.
[11:37] <Seveas> membreya, by all means DO that
[11:37] <eurmst> gives an error
[11:37] <Choubaka> I will upgrade to Breezy when it gets released.
[11:37] <eurmst> who can i trust?
[11:37] <eurmst> :P
[11:37] <membreya> Choubaka: ....I suppose.. I have my configs.. I do a daily backup
[11:37] <tim7575> Seveas: nah that doesnt work
[11:37] <Choubaka> And I expect no trouble. :D
[11:37] <Seveas> eurmst, well, you have to replace yourdrive and something with the actual paths...
[11:37] <w1gg3r> trust me ;)
[11:38] <eurmst> root@erik:/home/erik # mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /mnt/windows
[11:39] <sugoruyo> i need to ask a general question about mounting... can anyone help?
[11:39] <w1gg3r> doesn't hurt to ask
[11:39] <Choubaka> sugoruyo: of course. :P
[11:39] <Choubaka> read the topic
[11:39] <Choubaka> :)
[11:39] <sugoruyo> ok here goes
[11:40] <sugoruyo> i want to mount a partition
[11:40] <sugoruyo> so i make a directory to mount it on
[11:40] <slept> yes
[11:40] <sugoruyo> and then use mount /dev/something /mount-point
[11:40] <Seveas> yes
[11:40] <slept> yes
[11:40] <w1gg3r> you can just mount it to /mnt, or mkdir /mnt/something
[11:40] <tim7575> Seveas: any other ideas?
[11:40] <Seveas> as in mount -t ntfs /dev/hda5 /mnt/windows
[11:41] <Seveas> tim7575, only what spacey said: buy another card
[11:41] <Choubaka> -t specifies filesystem type.
[11:41] <Seveas> sorry, I don't know other options...
[11:41] <sugoruyo> what happens if my mount point contains something?
[11:41] <membreya> ok
[11:41] <membreya> time to reinstall
[11:41] <membreya> back in hoary later folks
[11:41] <w1gg3r> tim7575, did you look into insmod madwifi?
[11:41] <Choubaka> sugoruyo: they will disappear under the mounted files :)
[11:41] <Choubaka> but they won't be deleted.
[11:41] <sugoruyo> and when i unmount?
[11:41] <Choubaka> they will reappear
[11:42] <sugoruyo> so if i;m
[11:42] <tim7575> w1gg3r: no?
[11:42] <sugoruyo> so if i'm correct it changes a link of some sort?
[11:42] <membreya> what's the best way to check the integrity of a DVD before I reboot
[11:43] <sugoruyo> it just points the system to the mounted stuff
[11:43] <Choubaka> membreya: md5sum
[11:43] <Choubaka> sugoruyo: something like that.
[11:43] <Choubaka> it's a good way to hide your... dubious files. :D
[11:43] <tim7575> pr0n
[11:44] <Choubaka> just have the files in /stuff, then mount some empty filesystem image on top of it.
[11:44] <membreya> md5sum /dev/hda is fine Choubaka ?
[11:45] <Choubaka> that would be your hard drive, wouldn't it?
[11:45] <membreya> Choubaka: dvd drive :) /dev/sda is my harddrive (SATA)
[11:45] <Choubaka> if it's your dvd, then yes.
[11:46] <Choubaka> you of course need an md5sum to compare it against.
[11:46] <Choubaka> or hmm
[11:46] <Choubaka> how did you download the DVD?
[11:46] <Choubaka> if you got it from BT, it's fine. BT performs checks.
[11:47] <sugoruyo> if i had a directory with some stuff in it and wanted to mount something is there some way to make it so the mounted stuff appears alongside the others (no dup entries or anything)?
[11:47] <membreya> Choubaka: ISO from the ubuntu site
[11:47] <_luke> do you think an ubuntu system would make a good webserver?
[11:47] <Choubaka> yes.
[11:47] <Choubaka> though the base install would be a bit too bloated.
[11:47] <membreya> Choubaka: just the DVD is looking a little..worse for wear and I want to make sure it will be able to read it all ok
[11:48] <Choubaka> hehe :P
[11:48] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: i'm not sure, but i don't think so
[11:48] <sugoruyo> pity
[11:48] <membreya> Choubaka: could I just do a fsck on the DVD? :P
[11:49] <HappyFool> _luke: it should be fine
[11:49] <HappyFool> membreya: can you mount the dvd?
[11:49] <Choubaka> I dno't think so
[11:49] <membreya> HappyFool: indeed
[11:49] <Choubaka> sugoruyo: there's UnionFS, but it's very experimental :/
[11:49] <_luke> Happyfool: running as little as possible and apache?
[11:49] <HappyFool> i think the ubuntu cd's (and dvd's?) have a md5sum.txt in their root
[11:49] <membreya> so there is :P
[11:49] <w1gg3r> I don't think you can fsck anything but an ext type volume
[11:49] <Choubaka> or reiser
[11:50] <sugoruyo> what's that?
[11:50] <membreya> w1gg3r: yup :(
[11:50] <Choubaka> or xfs, and jfs I think :p
[11:50] <HappyFool> membreya: you can do something like md5sum -c md5sum.txt
[11:50] <membreya> Choubaka: but for that you use reiserfsck :P
[11:50] <Choubaka> hmm
[11:50] <membreya> thankyou HappyFool :)
[11:50] <HappyFool> np
[11:51] <Choubaka> you can fsck: cramfs, minix, jfs, ext, msdos, nfs, reiserfs, reiser4, vfat and xfs
[11:51] <HappyFool> otherwise there are md5 checksums for the isos on ubuntu's site
[11:51] <HappyFool> i.e., for the entire image
[11:51] <membreya> damn this is going to take a while :|
[11:51] <capi> okay, in the apache2 Ubuntu package apaches config giles are all funked up. What file is the Document Root in? I couldn't find it in apache2.conf or httpd.conf?
[11:52] <Choubaka> search for DocumentRoot :p
[11:52] <Choubaka> it's /var/www/ anyway
[11:52] <capi> I know, but I want to change it.
[11:52] <Kimppa> Does anyone know some good software to fix id3v1 tags? So that I can select an entire album and set the album name for all the files without having to do it for each file separately?
[11:52] <Choubaka> capi: well, then change it
[11:53] <HappyFool> capi: try maybe 'grep -ilr documentroot *' in the config root dir (/etc/htttpd, i think?)
[11:53] <Choubaka> Kimppa: id3v2 :)
[11:53] <Choubaka> it's a command line tool.
[11:53] <capi> I can't find the value in the config file?
[11:53] <sugoruyo> one more thing: what is kubuntu?
[11:53] <sugoruyo> ubuntu with kde?
[11:53] <capi> yes
[11:53] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: kde version of ubuntu
[11:53] <capi> sugoruyo
[11:54] <membreya> there's ubuntu+kde and then there's kubuntu :)
[11:54] <slept> Kimppa, cantus is nice you an do cddb lookup
[11:54] <sugoruyo> official or some kind of mod? do i get it at the ubuntu site?
[11:54] <Choubaka> official
[11:54] <HappyFool> membreya: really? what's the difference?
[11:54] <Kimppa> nice.. I'll take a look at it
[11:54] <Choubaka> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:54] <Choubaka> :P
[11:54] <membreya> sugoruyo: www.kubuntu.co.uk
[11:54] <Riddell> www.kubuntu.org
[11:55] <Choubaka> kubuntu can be installed from ubuntu too. :)
[11:55] <Choubaka> personally I can't wait for xubuntu
[11:55] <membreya> Choubaka: yeah, but then you get all the ugly gnome stuff left over :P
[11:55] <sugoruyo> xubuntu?
[11:55] <Choubaka> XFCE4 Ubuntu :)
[11:55] <capi> anyone know how to change the DocumentRoot value in Ubuntus apache?
[11:55] <membreya> *shudder*
[11:55] <sugoruyo> i like xfce
[11:55] <Choubaka> capi: search the configs.  :P
[11:55] <membreya> lol HappyFool :P
[11:56] <sugoruyo> and i prefer gnome to kde although it used to be the other way
[11:56] <Choubaka> XFCE owns both KDE and Gnome :)
[11:56] <membreya> shush Choubaka :P
[11:56] <membreya> KDE 0wns gnome
[11:56] <Choubaka> Probably.
[11:56] <Choubaka> But it loses to XFCE4!
[11:56] <Choubaka> mwahaha
[11:56] <membreya> wait for KDE4 :P
[11:56] <brosio>  exist a repository for win32codecs for x86_64
[11:56] <Choubaka> membreya: I will.
[11:56] <membreya> brosio: no :P
[11:57] <Choubaka> brosio: they're win32codecs :/
[11:57] <precious> enlightment will rule them all ;)
[11:57] <Choubaka> you need 32bit
[11:57] <capi> okay, I think I got it, Ubuntu goes straight to virutal hosts in a seperate file. :)
[11:57] <membreya> ROFL precious :P
[11:57] <Choubaka> I require certain features of GTK2 :P
[11:57] <membreya> how can you like XFCE Choubaka :|
[11:58] <Choubaka> I'll give KDE a shot when it gets those features.
[11:58] <Choubaka> membreya: it's lightweight, simple, beautiful, and GTK2
[11:58] <precious> membreya it's pretty fast:)
[11:58] <membreya> i have an amd64 3200 .. i don't need lightweight :P
[11:58] <Choubaka> Well, that's you. :P
[11:58] <HappyFool> i know this is way off topic, but is there a way to check if my msn passport password is valid? gaim doesn't want to login to msn
[11:59] <membreya> HappyFool: www.hotmail.com ?
[11:59] <capi> Goes to play on his SNES with a Linux-port installed.
[11:59] <HappyFool> membreya: i don't think it worked on hotmail. i'm going to try www.msn.com
[11:59] <HappyFool> thanks though
[12:00] <membreya> main thing that annoys me about amd64..no flash :|
[12:00] <sugoruyo> membreya: what do u mean?
[12:01] <membreya> nor no activex on linux :P
[12:01] <HappyFool> almost every music band's website requires flash. that annoys me.
[12:01] <tim7575> ubuntu is debian right?
[12:01] <Burgundavia> tim7575, based on debian unstable (sid)
[12:01] <HappyFool> debian-based
[12:01] <tim7575> thnks
[12:01] <Seveas> tim7575, say that on #debian and you're dead meat :)
[12:01] <precious> i hope it supports more hardware than debian :)
[12:02] <Seveas> precious, it does (to my experience)
[12:02] <precious> good ;)
[12:02] <precious> i tried to install a debian release two days ago on one of my servers - it couldn't find it's scsi disks nor it's lan cards
[12:02] <precious> mandrake did, however.. freebsd 2 :)
[12:03] <holycow> impossible, it uses the same installer
[12:03] <b_e_n_z> can't join #debian
[12:03] <holycow> scratch that
[12:03] <holycow> lol
[12:03] <b_e_n_z> i am banned
[12:03] <holycow> :)
[12:03] <holycow> mornin all
[12:03] <nubious> anyone wanna give me some guidance with setting up apache?
[12:03] <membreya> nubious: #apache :P
[12:03] <nubious> hah
[12:03] <nubious> ok
[12:03] <membreya> or www.apache.org
[12:03] <HappyFool> nubious: i'm not running it here, but as i recall the default install more-or-less just works
[12:04] <nubious> hah
[12:04] <nubious> more or less
[12:04] <nubious> ok
[12:04] <nubious> there's no apt-get for ubuntu?
[12:04] <nubious> that makes 'er work?
[12:04] <Choubaka> err.
[12:04] <holycow> nubious, what?
[12:04] <count0nz> apt-get install apache2 works here
[12:04] <nubious> I tried some of the synaptic stuff, but it says I can't 'locate' it anywhere
[12:04] <b_e_n_z> nubious, you don't have a clue do you
[12:04] <nubious> nope
[12:04] <nubious> nadda one
[12:04] <HappyFool> nubious: what happens if you browse http://localhost ?
[12:04] <nubious> I tried installing apache2 as well
[12:04] <onno> Wil Ubuntu update Firefox to 1.0.4, I can't install any plugin as long as its firefox 1.0.2
[12:05] <nubious> connection refused
[12:05] <HappyFool> oh, sorry, you haven't instaled it yet
[12:05] <nubious> I removed apache 2
[12:05] <nubious> one sec
[12:05] <nubious> lemme redo it
[12:05] <Choubaka> onno: try to spoof your version?
[12:05] <HappyFool> i think apache2 is your only option... ?
[12:05] <nubious> ok
[12:05] <onno> Choubaka, do what?
[12:06] <onno> how?
[12:06] <nubious> bah
[12:06] <nubious> just doing updates
[12:06] <nubious> it'll have to wait
[12:06] <Choubaka> onno: That's what you will have to find out :p
[12:06] <Choubaka> -_
[12:06] <onno> pfff
[12:06] <Choubaka> I don't know how to spoof the version. extensions exist, but...
[12:07] <nubious> what are you trying to spoof?
[12:07] <Choubaka> firefox versio
[12:07] <Choubaka> n
[12:07] <HappyFool> user-agent
[12:07] <nubious> ahhh
[12:07] <nubious> thats easy if you telnet into the web server
[12:07] <nubious> uhmm
[12:07] <nubious> hmm
[12:07] <nubious> you got a packet sniffer?
[12:07] <HappyFool> heh
[12:08] <nubious> you just gotta format a header in a text editor and then jsut paste it to your telnet connection
[12:08] <nubious> I dont remember the format tho
[12:08] <nubious> you could check the rfc reference documents
[12:08] <HappyFool> well, in about:config there is a 'general.useragent.vendorComment' string with a 1.0.2
[12:08] <nubious> aha
[12:08] <nubious> that might be easier
[12:08] <HappyFool> i'm not sure that changes the user-agent.. let me try
[12:09] <HappyFool> cool, nc has a listen mode!
[12:10] <membreya> well md5 was ok :)
[12:10] <HappyFool> membreya: heh. took a wee while
[12:11] <HappyFool> changing general.useragent.vendorComment makes the user-agent string look like this:
[12:11] <HappyFool> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050512 Firefox/1.0 (Ubuntu package 1.0.4)
[12:11] <HappyFool> but that doesn't fool mozilla.org
[12:11] <HappyFool> ah well
[12:11] <Loevborg> anyone have hoary ripping audio cds at high speeds?
[12:13] <mdke> Loevborg, what do you mean by high speeds? it rips ok
[12:13] <topyli> HappyFool: http://chrispederick.com/work/firefox/useragentswitcher/
[12:14] <HappyFool> topyli: ok. i've found an FAQ about it, it's busy loading
[12:14] <HappyFool> topyli: maybe this can be a workaround for ppl who complain about not having firefox 1.0.4
[12:14] <topyli> 1.0.4 comes with a switcher?
[12:15] <HappyFool> no
[12:15] <HappyFool> but mozilla.org is blocking access to the extensions site if you're not using 1.0.4
[12:15] <HappyFool> well, 1.0.4 might, but that's not my point ;)
[12:15] <topyli> ah
[12:15] <space_oddity> hello, I've installed kubuntu, how do I install gnome? apt-get install ????
[12:16] <HappyFool> ah-ha. it's general.useragent.override
[12:16] <topyli> space_oddity: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:16] <HappyFool> space_oddity: install gnome-desktop, i think
[12:16] <HappyFool> oops
[12:16] <space_oddity> ok tanks topyli
[12:16] <space_oddity> tanks HappyFool
[12:16] <da_bon_bon> will swsusp2 patch for 2.6.11 kernel patch clean on <IP_ADDRESS> source ?
[12:16] <Loevborg> mdke, it's ripping at about 5x speed - thought it should be faster.
[12:16] <mdke> Loevborg, what are you using to rip? grip?
[12:17] <Choubaka> whahaa
[12:17] <Loevborg> mdke, audio juicer, but it's a kernel issue I suppose
[12:17] <Choubaka> I managed to fool mozilla.org :D
[12:17] <Choubaka> it's a simple chrome setting. :)
[12:17] <mdke> Loevborg, no its likely that the lower speed will be due to greater controls
[12:17] <da_bon_bon> Choubaka: how ?
[12:17] <HappyFool> Choubaka: do tell
[12:17] <Loevborg> mdke, greater controls? what do you mean?
[12:17] <mdke> Loevborg, the fewer controls you set in the ripper options, the quicker it will be, and the less reliable
[12:18] <Choubaka> I think it's general.useragent.vendorSub
[12:18] <Loevborg> mdke, what speed are you getting?
[12:18] <topyli> HappyFool: looks like i can get to the extension site by using IE :)
[12:18] <mdke> Loevborg, haven't got my ubuntu system on me, but it will depend also on your cd drive
[12:18] <HappyFool> Choubaka: changed too? 1.0.4 ? it's default is 1.0, it looks like
[12:18] <Choubaka> yeah
[12:18] <HappyFool> topyli: heh
[12:18] <Choubaka> I changed only that.
[12:18] <Loevborg> mdke, I doubt it's the drive, frankly.
[12:18] <Choubaka> yep. works now
[12:19] <mdke> Loevborg, i use grip, and there is an option to reduce the number of error corrections during ripping, that makes it go a lot faster if you remove that
[12:19] <HappyFool> topyli: well, i mean specifically clicking Tools -> Extensions -> Get more extensions, which goes to addons.mozilla.org
[12:19] <mdke> Loevborg, its your choice between reliability and speed
[12:19] <Drako60> has anyone gotten wine to work on the amd64 without doing a chroot
[12:20] <Choubaka> no.
[12:20] <Choubaka> it's impossible.
[12:20] <Loevborg> mdke, hm well.. okay.
[12:20] <Drako60> hmm so i need to figure out how to setup chroot
[12:21] <topyli> HappyFool: yes, that works when i change my user agent to IE on win XP
[12:22] <Choubaka> Don't do that.
[12:22] <Choubaka> Just change the version to 1.0.4 :P
[12:22] <HappyFool> Choubaka: cool, thanks! wonder if it's worth putting on the wiki. the firefox 1.0.4 thing was a FAQ yesterday.
[12:22] <topyli> HappyFool: apparently, it's more secure than firefox 1.0.2 :)
[12:22] <HappyFool> heh
[12:22] <Choubaka> If you change to IE, you'll be advertising IE :(
[12:22] <HappyFool> to be honest i think mozilla shouldn't take that nanny approach
[12:23] <topyli> Choubaka: on this site. i'll change it back soon enough
[12:23] <Choubaka> HappyFool: It's to protect the ignorant. :P
[12:23] <HappyFool> they should at most *advise* you to upgrade, but let you through anyway
[12:23] <topyli> yeah
[12:23] <Choubaka> Well, that's true.
[12:24] <Choubaka> but most people who are advised to upgrade, say: "Swcrew it, Why would anyone hack me anyway?"
[12:24] <topyli> some distros have actually patched their 1.0.2 versions, but apparently they (mozilla.org) think everybody's using their packages
[12:24] <HappyFool> Choubaka: and it is their freedom to do so
[12:25] <Choubaka> but they cause grief to other people .P
[12:25] <HappyFool> ;)
[12:25] <Choubaka> those people are the ones sending all the spam and ddossing machines
[12:26] <HappyFool> well, anyway, this is a neat and fairly easy workaround for people demanding 1.0.4 on ubuntu cos they can't see the extensions site
[12:26] <topyli> yes
[12:26] <mindspin> hi
[12:27] <jcinacio> lo
[12:28] <ol4l> What do I do to force options for modprobing my network card (it must have options=4)?
[12:28] <Drako60> is there a howto on setting up chroot on amd64?
[12:28] <mindspin> I'm using kubunte, when I try to copy folders from another machine to my notebook, network is randomly going down
[12:28] <ol4l> I have examined /etc/modprobe.d/ but I didnt understand how it worked..
[12:29] <Loevborg> ol4l, but a file there just like /etc/modprobe.d/loevborg
[12:29] <phanter> hello, anybody who uses sphinx2 (speech recognition) and can tell me how it works (installed id but what now)?
[12:29] <Loevborg> ol4l, mine reads, "options snd-via82xx dxs_support=1 ac97_quirk=1"
[12:31] <ol4l> loevborg: aa, so a file /etc/modprobe.d/3c59x_o4 with the content "options 3c59x options=4" ought to do it?
[12:31] <ol4l> I cant really understand how modprobe finds that file when inserting the module.. it feels automagic ^_^
[12:31] <teknomaniac> hi.i'm new and i have ubuntu for about 2 weeks. i've installed dcgui-qt 0.3.2 by apt-get.. i found tutorial and i configured it but when i click on hub list and reload public hub i have no result . maybe someone have the same problem ? sory for my english
[12:31] <HappyFool> ol4l: take a look at 'man modprobe' and 'man modprobe.conf' for more info
[12:31] <Loevborg> ol4l, yes, if that's an option for 3c56x
[12:32] <Loevborg> ol4l, modprobe just reads /etc/moduprobe.d/* and adds appropriate options
[12:32] <HappyFool> teknomaniac: is this a usb thing? have you tried using lsusb at the terminal ?
[12:33] <HappyFool> oh, sorry, scrap that
[12:33] <teknomaniac> :)
[12:34] <ol4l> happyfool and loevborg: thanks alot, ill try it and come back later!
[12:35] <jcinacio> anyone got anjuta2 to compile? i'm getting a missing folder :/
[12:36] <phanter> jcinacio, yes i did, what is the problem
[12:36] <jcinacio> "svn-backend.h:24:37: subversion-1/svn_client.h: No such file or directory"
[12:37] <teknomaniac> anyone had problems with conect to hublist on dc and could help me ?
[12:38] <jcinacio> i'm not used to building stuff hehe but managed to get gdl & gnome-build from cvs
[12:38] <ocZio> hi, are there kernel-headers 2.6.10-5 amd64 ? I can only find linux-headers 2.6.10-5 amd64, I ask because when I try to compil a driver it needs the kernel and not linux, I think its the same no? but some missunderstood ? :P
[12:40] <refuze2looze> how do i enable debian menu in gnome?
[12:40] <Loevborg> ocZio, headers aren't architecture-specific.
[12:40] <phanter> jcinacio, oke, well... I needed the following packages to get everything to work correctly: autoconf, libtool, automake, g++, dist, cvs
[12:41] <Drako60> ocZio, linux-headers is what you need
[12:42] <ocZio> yea but when I try to compil the Marvell Yunikom driver
[12:42] <ocZio> it says it needs kernel... I am sure its the same :(
[12:43] <ol4l> loevborg: it did not work (i must have done something wrong..)
[12:43] <Drako60> ocZio, when i tried to compile the nvidia drivers it said kernel as well but the linux-headers worked
[12:44] <ocZio> but its stops
[12:44] <ocZio> :(
[12:44] <nico8481> hello
[12:44] <refuze2looze> what's a good ftp server with a GUI interface
[12:45] <holycow> there are none for linux
[12:45] <nico8481> is it normal that I have to shut esd down in order to get sound in unreal tournament ?!
[12:45] <holycow> closest you might get is proftpd with a web based interface
[12:46] <jcinacio> whats "normal"? ;-)
[12:46] <nico8481> heh :)
[12:46] <holycow> refuze2looze, you don't enable debian menu in gnome, thats been taken out of all gnome/debian releases
[12:46] <nico8481> you got a point ;)
[12:47] <jcinacio> have you read ubuntuforums? there's something about it...
[12:47] <holycow> refuze2looze, if you want debian menu in gnome post 2.10 releases you will haveto recompile the app that handles applications and patch it your self
[12:47] <Drako60> hmm i'm trying to setup debootstrap for i386 but the command given on the wiki doesn't work it says no script hoary
[12:47] <ol4l> loveborg: i created the file /etc/modprobe.d/3c59x_04 with exactly this content: options 3c59x options=4 it should work...
[12:47] <nico8481> jcinacio, uh no i haven't... on my way :)
[12:47] <holycow> and then patch all the debian packages to add the relavent menu items
[12:47] <holycow> in otherwords, good luck
[12:47] <refuze2looze> holycow: oh
[12:48] <holycow> refuze2looze, it's been taken out because it was a stupid idea to begin with, someone just finally got around to taking it out
[12:48] <Loevborg> ol4l, what didn't work?
[12:49] <ol4l> the network card still runs at 10mbit.. instead of 100..
[12:50] <BrianB04>  #mepis
[12:51] <ol4l> Loevborg: when i did modprobe 3c59x options=4 manually, it did work.. but when i tried to make it automaticly it didnt
[12:51] <BrianB04> Blah, sorry bout that...meant to join that channel:)
[12:53] <Loevborg> ol4l, modprobe -c | grep 3c59x
[12:53] <anusaya> Are packages in universe straight from the debian tree?
[12:54] <Loevborg> ol4l, also, try: sudo modprobe -nv 3c59x
[12:54] <ol4l> Loevborg: omg! the options is set!
[12:55] <Dalkus> Is there a utility in gnome to display the ammount of free space/used space on a partition? (like in KDE?)
[12:55] <mindspin> du
[12:56] <Loevborg> ol4l, so maybe your testing is bad :)
[12:56] <ol4l> Loevborg: I just figured ^_^
[12:56] <precious> Dalkus gdesklets
[12:56] <Dalkus> Thanks
[12:56] <Loevborg> ol4l, occasionally, options sucha s this only take effect after a reboot (sadly).
[12:57] <ol4l> Loevborg: its working now.. I wonder if it works even after a restart..
[12:58] <raven3x7> hello
[12:58] <Loevborg> ol4l, it should.
[12:58] <raven3x7> I'm about to install hoary but i want to make sure i have everything i need to get online.
[12:59] <BrianB04> Man, I just installed Hoary, could any Linux distro be any easier?
[01:00] <Loevborg> BrianB04, breezy, most likely :)
[01:00] <hans_> is the music player in ubuntu able to play mms streams?
[01:00] <Loevborg> hans_, mplayer can.
[01:00] <cardador> hans_: mplayer
[01:00] <hans_> thx
[01:00] <raven3x7> i'm using an usb adsl modem which needs an extra kernel module to be compiled. i have downloaded linux-source 2.6.10.tgz . do i need any other package to prepare the source for module compiling?
[01:01] <coobra> is the servers upp so newbs can run the ubuntusetup.sh  ???
[01:01] <Dalkus> precious, what part of gdesklets, what must I run?
[01:02] <precious> Dalkus well, gdesklets is actually the daemon, after that you should install some gdesklets applets... i think the url was desklets.gnomedesktop.org
[01:02] <precious> or smthn like that
[01:02] <Dalkus> thanks
[01:02] <precious> np
[01:02] <HappyFool> raven3x7: it's likely that you only need a linux-headers package
[01:03] <HappyFool> raven3x7: e.g., linux-headers-386
[01:03] <BrianB04> Loevborg, If Breezy gets any easier, it may be declared Windows Longhorn;) I was so thrilled, printer just...worked...without any fighting.
[01:03] <HappyFool> raven3x7: i was able to compile my intel winmodem module with that
[01:04] <ol4l> loevborg: It works like a charm! Thanks alot!
[01:04] <hans_> brianb04 whats breezy?
[01:04] <BrianB04> hans_, the next Ubuntu
[01:04] <raven3x7> HappyFool , yes.  those were on the cd for warty so i suppose hoary also has them. i just want to make sure though
[01:04] <hans_> is it worth testing it?
[01:04] <Loevborg> hans_, cf. topic!
[01:05] <BrianB04> hans_, I read somewhere "Do not test it"
[01:05] <hans_> ok
[01:05] <Loevborg> BrianB04, 'fcourse it depends on your hardware too.
[01:06] <BrianB04> Loevborg, My habit is to say pretty neutral OS wise. I tend not to go anything weird.
[01:06] <BrianB04> Now, I have my next challenge...figuring out the best way to start encoding CDs to MP3s
[01:06] <HappyFool> raven3x7: my point is you don't need the complete linux source; additionally, the linux-headers-<whatever> package puts a link in /lib/modules/<kernel-version>/ which linux 2.6 module build scripts should look for
[01:07] <cardador> raven3x7: what type of usb modem is it?
[01:07] <Loevborg> BrianB04, I'm doing just that right now.
[01:07] <BrianB04> Loevborg, What do you use?
[01:07] <Loevborg> BrianB04, you can use sound juicer for that, witht the appropriate gstreamer module.
[01:07] <raven3x7> cardador its sagem fast 800 (using eagle chipset)
[01:08] <Loevborg> BrianB04, there's a howto for that someplace at ubuntuforums.org.
[01:08] <hans_> does anybody know how to install the lexmark allinone printer x74?
[01:08] <holycow> BrianB04, i think you got it, ubuntu just goes to show that with a good underpinning (unix) an extremely usable desktop (polished automagic for the unwashed masses) is extremely doable
[01:08] <holycow> i think the proprietary approach to desktops that ms and apple are pursuing are fine in the short term, but in the long term they always lead to dead ends because they must lock their users in to make money
[01:08] <billbo> BrianB04, I use grip with lame as the backend
[01:09] <billbo> both are in universe
[01:09] <cardador> raven3x7: have you already seen this? http://download.gna.org/eagleusb/eagle-usb-2.1.0/
[01:09] <BrianB04> holycow, Yep, and I think with the advent of user friendly Linux distros like Ubuntu, and Mandriva, and Suse, eventually software companies will have to look Linux's way.
[01:09] <refuze2looze> anybody know a good FTP server with a gui interface? like bulletproof or something
[01:09] <holycow> BrianB04, little by little, however there is a third phenomenon happening
[01:10] <BrianB04> holycow, What's the third phenomenon?
[01:10] <holycow> BrianB04, one of the things that i notice is that business really is about cherry picking, there isn't a lot of money to be made by "doing it right, doing it slowly" so ...
[01:10] <raven3x7> HappyFool i will try that then. the reason i asked was that the documentation of the package is not clear wether i need the full source although i probably dont
[01:10] <holycow> what i see happening is most commercial software not looking at linux as viable ... this is a problem for them because ...
[01:11] <holycow> ... since they arent helping push the platform, they are being replaced by free versions of everything
[01:11] <holycow> for example photoshop , imho, gimp just kicks ps ass all over the place on most features
[01:11] <BrianB04> holycow, That is very true. I mean you can find just about anything out there, including Bail Bond software, which had me worried;)
[01:11] <holycow> i don't see photoshop ever coming to linux because its not needed, gimp does everything it does as well as ps, and does some other things better too
[01:12] <raven3x7> cardador is that a ready to go debian package? i only knew about the official .tgz
[01:12] <holycow> this kinda goes accross the board for all product groups
[01:12] <jdub> holycow: that is not true.
[01:12] <holycow> BrianB04, hehe :)
[01:12] <BrianB04> holycow, Talk about a vertical product, that's a pain to find.
[01:12] <refuze2looze> holycow: the gimp's features may be great, but i think you can't really compare it's UI's to photoshop's
[01:12] <cardador> raven3x7: it is a .deb file, do you can install it with dpkg -i
[01:12] <jdub> holycow: for very simple uses cases, and certainly web work, gimp is competitive
[01:12] <BrianB04> refuze2looze, I hate the new PS GUI...it's...blech
[01:13] <holycow> refuze2looze, jdub, i'm going to stop arguing right here with the following statement:
[01:13] <jdub> holycow: for anything print related, or anything with serious workflow requirements, it's not.
[01:13] <refuze2looze> BrianB04: of which version? CS 8?
[01:13] <BrianB04> refuze2looze, Yea, I'm so old school, I like the old GUI:) I had stopped using PS though, moved to PSP
[01:14] <raven3x7> cardador i will try those then. thanks
[01:14] <holycow> i am a graphic designer, i'm am very proficient in both applications, and one thing is clear about the ps vs. gimp argument: ps users are a cult and completely lacking the ability to learn new apps, there is no way i can argue with a ps user that will ever lead to a meaningfull result
[01:14] <refuze2looze> holycow: i agree gimp is good, and i'm sure a big reason i have problems with it's UI is because i'm a photoshop-user. its UI is very difficult to get used to, it took me a while just to do some simple stuff on it in the beginning
[01:14] <holycow> i'll just leave it at that, i understand you will disagree with me forever :)
[01:15] <BrianB04> You know what's really, really scary? Setting up my printer this morning too less time than setting up the same printer in Mac OS X:)
[01:15] <BrianB04> s/too/took
[01:15] <refuze2looze> i think maybe if gimp worked at creating an easier UI for photoshop users to learn, it could convert a lot of users. i know people who won't switch to linux because of photoshop cs 8
[01:15] <holycow> BrianB04, having the drivers included is kinda nifty *nod*
[01:16] <jerub> refuze2looze: I understand the GIMP is open source...
[01:16] <Dalkus> is it possible to get 'du' to give the total ammount of space in a folder/partition and to *include* the space within subdirectories, but to not display the subdirectories?
[01:16] <jerub> refuze2looze: patches accepted :)
[01:16] <jerub> Dalkus: du -s
[01:16] <Dalkus> so like du -h but only showing the directories in the same folder
[01:16] <Dalkus> nah, I need a list of the directories and the space each takes
[01:16] <refuze2looze> jerub: touche... :)
[01:16] <Dalkus> not juts a total
[01:16] <holycow> refuze2looze, gimp neither wants to replace ps nor compete with it, ps users simply cannot "unlearn" the photoshop way, it's just the way it is
[01:17] <Loevborg> Pretty much every application UI there is is bad anyway. the only one I actively like is opera's.
[01:17] <refuze2looze> holycow: don't you think maybe it should? i mean, photoshop is what, $800? gimp is free. if photoshop users were comfortable with gimp, almost everybody will switch
[01:17] <holycow> no
[01:18] <holycow> if you need ps, buy it, no one gives a damn
[01:18] <BrianB04> Yea, if you need ps, you have the money
[01:18] <refuze2looze> well, it's not for linux
[01:18] <HappyFool> Dalkus: du -s $(find -type d -maxdepth 1)
[01:18] <holycow> well tough titties
[01:18] <refuze2looze> holycow: why don't you think there should be a graphic manipulation program that photoshop users feel comfortable with for linux?
[01:18] <BrianB04> Now, comes the next challenge, getting my heat sensors working on my MB
[01:19] <holycow> because everything in ps is wrong
[01:19] <jerub> Dalkus: du -s *
[01:19] <Loevborg> Dalkus, du -sh *(/)  # assuming you use zsh, which I recommend
[01:19] <holycow> gimp is the right way to do it, but ps users cannot possibly imagine that there is a better way
[01:19] <HappyFool> holycow: you know the difference between advocacy and zealotry, right? ;)
[01:20] <holycow> HappyFool, correct, i'm a zealot :) lol
[01:20] <holycow> it's important not to get into the 'marketing' trap
[01:20] <holycow> that trap is the "belief" and i mean belief as in religion
[01:20] <BrianB04> holycow, Wow, Gimp has matured a lot since I last played with it...
[01:20] <holycow> that the customer is always right, and that linux is somehow out to win "marketshare"
[01:21] <refuze2looze> holycow: i don't know.. i've read a lot of reviews out there complaining about the gimp's UI
[01:21] <holycow> when you buy into that "belief" you put your self in a win/loose situation, meaning that if you loose marketshare your existence is somehow invalidated
[01:21] <Loevborg> refuze2looze, you shouldn't read so much slashdot, that's bad for your brains.
[01:21] <holycow> one must recognize that nothing on linux really exists to gain marketshare, it doesn't exist for the customer, it exists for it's own unique set of reasons
[01:21] <BrianB04> I don't see anything wrong with the GUI, actually. I mean, I haven't used Gimp in years, and I"m picking it right up;)
[01:22] <holycow> and those change from package to package
[01:22] <refuze2looze> loevborg: lol maybe so. but hey, it seems that's what the people want. i think a lot of people are switching from windows to linux nowadays since linux is getting so great. and windows users are comfortable with.. photoshop
[01:22] <holycow> BrianB04, i just finished two commercial projects with it
[01:22] <jeffco> hi all. is Gnome Office (Abiword) automatically installed with Ubuntu 5.04?
[01:22] <Dalkus> Thanks
[01:22] <holycow> refuze2looze, yes, i equate those complaints to the complaints of the the american evangelical movement about the world not being how they like it
[01:22] <HappyFool> jeffco: i don't think so. openoffice is
[01:22] <refuze2looze> jeffco: no, openoffice is. you can install it from synaptic though
[01:23] <Loevborg> refuze2looze, sounds a whole lot like a case of "tyranny of majority."
[01:23] <refuze2looze> jeffco: although i think openoffice is great
[01:23] <jeffco> do you think openoffice's wordprocessor software is as good as abiword?
[01:23] <holycow> depends what you mean by 'good'
[01:23] <Loevborg> jeffco, sure, it's better in many ways.
[01:23] <holycow> they are basically similar and different simultaneously
[01:24] <holycow> you need to evaluate your needs first, then match them up against each apps various 'properties' to find out which one is 'best' for you
[01:24] <jeffco> right.
[01:24] <refuze2looze> holycow: but i understand what you're saying about linux software not existing for the customer
[01:24] <refuze2looze> you're right
[01:25] <jeffco> but I didn't want to waste time comparing them, studying their nuances, if I could avoid it. I thought if one of them was heads and shoulders better and more popular than the other, that's what I'd  with.
[01:25] <holycow> refuze2looze, those that want things catered to their needs are free to pay for that service, mac and ms will  happily sell them any shit they want
[01:25] <pepsi> does abiword work as well with ms word files as openoffice does?
[01:26] <holycow> the problem arises in that business is not in the business of educating the consumer, and the consumer has no clue they are uneducated about virtually every purchasing decision they make
[01:26] <pepsi> openoffice seems to do that pretty well, but i almost always get issues with text being different sizes
[01:26] <holycow> infact, the consumer insists that their ignorance is correct and should be catered to
[01:26] <holycow> which leads to things like windows me and so on
[01:26] <capi> what is the /var folder mainly used for on UNIX systems?
[01:27] <holycow> optimally the consumer and producer would work together to educate them selves simultaneously and make the best dicisions based on the results of that process, but humanity does not really give a rip about that
[01:27] <holycow> so ...
[01:27] <pepsi> holycow, are you a bot?
[01:27] <jeffco> is there a website that compares abiword with openoffice?
[01:27] <holycow> :) linux is basically the outgrowth of people who can creating their own world around them
[01:28] <capi> OpenOffice and AbiWord are different
[01:28] <holycow> the rest of us, like me, are along for the ride
[01:28] <refuze2looze> jeffco: eh i'm sure you can find one on google. why don't you install them both and check them out? that's the best way to see what you like
[01:28] <refuze2looze> jeffco: synaptic makes installing shit easy :)
[01:28] <capi> Like MS Word and MS office are different.
[01:29] <jeffco> refuze2looze, just to confirm: there's no harm in downloading new stuff through synaptic?
[01:29] <jdub> jeffco: not at all
[01:29] <Dalkus> does the command 'mv' first copy the file, then once copied delete the old file?
[01:29] <jdub> jeffco: you can always remove it again :-)
[01:29] <jeffco> i'm a 1-day old Ubuntu/Linux user
[01:29] <refuze2looze> jeffco: no, you can simply remove whatever you don't like later using synaptic again
[01:29] <capi> jeffco, not unless you run out of space. :)
[01:29] <jeffco> okay.
[01:29] <jeffco> now a non-tech question.
[01:29] <HappyFool> Dalkus: it relinks the file (assuming you're moving the file within the same partition)
[01:30] <refuze2looze> i installed so much crap from synaptic just to check it out..
[01:30] <capi> So anyone know what the var folder is used for?
[01:30] <HappyFool> Dalkus: not sure what happens if you mv across partitions, but I guess a copy-delete is the only option in that case
[01:30] <jeffco> to all: do you find your eyes getting worse if you are on the computer for a long time(as in hours)
[01:30] <jdub> capi: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/
[01:30] <refuze2looze> jeffco: it's not like windows where all the stuff you install comes with a bunch of spyware that will forever remain on your system ;)
[01:30] <jdub> capi: have a read of that :-)
[01:31] <jdub> jeffco: only if i use a CRT, particularly if it has a slow refresh rate
[01:31] <pepsi> holycow, you're a bot
[01:31] <capi> jdub, thanks
[01:31] <HappyFool> jeffco: i think it's fairly common
[01:32] <jeffco> coz i don't want to get my eyes any worse from being on the computer for an extended amount of time.
[01:32] <HappyFool> jeffco: btw, we found out how to make normal ubuntu firefox access the mozilla extensions page
[01:32] <rod> thats cool
[01:32] <HappyFool> so the need to install 1.0.4 is reduced
[01:33] <fdr> Hello!
[01:33] <rod> heya
[01:33] <pepsi> can i use breezy yet? :)
[01:34] <pepsi> er grumpy
[01:34] <pepsi> er uhm... yeah ;)
[01:34] <holycow> HappyFool, what?
[01:34] <Loevborg> clumsy :)
[01:34] <jeffco> I'm in Synaptic-->Settings-->repositiories. Which sources do i need? I started out with only one line (CD Ubuntu...) but now there's stuff like Ubuntu (Binary) and Ubuntu (Source). Do i need both "Binary" and "source" for the same thing?
[01:34] <holycow> HappyFool, you mean you werent able to access extensions page?
[01:34] <refuze2looze> by the way, to those that were involved in the earlier gimp - photoshop comparrison. i found "gimpshop" which uses the gimp sourcecode only has a UI very similar to photoshop. it's been compiled for OS X, i'm searching the net for a linux compiled version right now
[01:34] <jeffco> HappyFool, how do you access moz's extension page with normal firefox?
[01:34] <HappyFool> yeah
[01:34] <HappyFool> it told me to upgrade to 1.0.4
[01:35] <HappyFool> jeffco: tweak a setting in about:config
[01:35] <refuze2looze> jeffco: you don't need source unless you want the stuff you download to be compiled from source (quite a waste of time)
[01:35] <holycow> HappyFool, what told you to upgrade to 1.0.4?
[01:35] <jeffco> there's also stuff like ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marilat stable
[01:35] <sugoruyo> that's cause of the problems in 1.0.3 with js and apps installing
[01:35] <HappyFool> holycow: mozilla.org
[01:35] <holycow> oh, and so it does now
[01:35] <jeffco> HappyFool, which setting?
[01:35] <fdr> I'd like to ask for some help in bugreporting...  I've made the first report in my life ( https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10426 ) but everything seems idle so far. Is there anything else I should do to complete the bugreport, or simply sit back and wait for good news? Thanks in advance!
[01:36] <holycow> thats because of the latest exploit
[01:36] <HappyFool> jeffco: general.useragent.vendorSub
[01:36] <jeffco> and if i tweak it, do you recommend that i delete 1.04 and stick with the normal firefox 1.02?
[01:36] <HappyFool> jeffco: ag, you've already set it up, so i guess it doesn't matter
[01:37] <HappyFool> jeffco: thought you might be interested
[01:37] <Dalkus> thanks, HappyFool  :)
[01:37] <zoo> I just installed a self-built kernel. Now my eth0 is not setup at boottime any more. ifup eth0 helps. I see that in /etc/network/interfaces is no "auto eth0" line. Do I need that? I thought that the hotplug system brings the eth0 up anyway.
[01:37] <jeffco> HappyFool, yes i am, but i acted too quickly i guess.
[01:37] <raven3x7> jeffco alternativly you could fetch firefox 1.04 from the mozilla foundation which solves those probs
[01:37] <sugoruyo> ubuntu being debian-based can someone suggest a good tutorial/howto/faq to get started with a debian system and all?
[01:38] <sugoruyo> like apt and repositories and all that?
[01:38] <holycow> sugoruyo, google
[01:38] <raven3x7> jeffco sorry bout that didn't read the whole thread
[01:38] <holycow> sugoruyo, the basic idea is to identify a question, then google it to retrieve the information
[01:39] <BoD_SWAT> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11621  --> Help please? (my DVD doesn't work... at all!)
[01:39] <jeffco> to all: in Synaptic-->Settings-->repositories, there's stuff like  ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marilat stable and  ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marilat unstable and  ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marilat testing. i don't remember putting them there. How did these sources get there? And, do I need them?
[01:39] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: there's an apt-howto package you can install
[01:40] <HappyFool> jeffco: you probably edited /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:40] <sugoruyo> HappyFool, how do i do that?
[01:40] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: tells you how apt works. otherwise, browse the wiki: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[01:40] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: do you know how to use synaptic?
[01:41] <jeffco> HappyFool, yes i may have as I was getting mp3 capabilities. can i delete them now?
[01:41] <sugoruyo> HappyFool, i guess, i haven't used ubuntu for long, i just started
[01:41] <refuze2looze> jeffco: just open a console, type "sudo nano /apt/get/sources.list" and edit it by hand
[01:41] <refuze2looze> oops
[01:41] <refuze2looze> i meant
[01:41] <refuze2looze> /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:41] <HappyFool> jeffco: err. dunno. i did
[01:41] <refuze2looze> not /apt/get/
[01:42] <refuze2looze> lol
[01:42] <HappyFool> jeffco: apt-get kept wanting to get stuff from marillat instead of ubuntu
[01:42] <HappyFool> which was annoying
[01:42] <sugoruyo> HappyFool, synaptic won't start
[01:42] <jeffco> oh, is that so, HappyFool?
[01:42] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: read here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[01:42] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: eh? what does it say?
[01:42] <jeffco> is marillat somehow not as good as ubuntu?
[01:42] <hans_> i just installed piguin game through synaptic...but where is the game now?how do i start it?
[01:43] <sugoruyo> it asks for the root password
[01:43] <sugoruyo> i enter the one i set up
[01:43] <forsakerk8k6> hi people, got a problem.. someone can give me a hand with grub?
[01:43] <pepsi> it asks for your password
[01:43] <HappyFool> no, it's asking for your password ;)
[01:43] <sugoruyo> oh damn i forgot all that in ubuntu
[01:43] <sugoruyo> thanks
[01:43] <jeffco> HappyFool, i got 1.04 now, but maybe i should delete it and stick with the normal firefox.
[01:44] <cardador> hans_: applications -> games ?
[01:44] <forsakerk8k6> no one who can help me with grub? :(
[01:44] <HappyFool> jeffco: leave it for a bit. see if it gives you hassles. change slowly ;)
[01:44] <jeffco> HappyFool, can i delete the marillat stuff in synaptic-->"software sources"?
[01:44] <BoD_SWAT> forsakerk8k6, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:44] <sugoruyo> ok synaptic is on
[01:44] <hans_> cardador: its not there
[01:44] <HappyFool> forsakerk8k6: ask your question, maybe someone can help
[01:44] <forsakerk8k6> BoD_SWAT, :D
[01:44] <HappyFool> jeffco: isn't there a 'remove' button ?
[01:45] <sugoruyo> HappyFool, so i make it search for that apt-howto package?
[01:45] <forsakerk8k6> ok.. i was installing winz, and obviously it destroyed grub
[01:45] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: yeah, though you may need to add the main ubuntu repositories first
[01:45] <forsakerk8k6> but i had a floppy with grub on
[01:45] <refuze2looze> hmm.. what's the command for apt-get to install any dependancies of something i tried isntalling with dpkg?
[01:45] <forsakerk8k6> and so i started it
[01:45] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: read the synaptichowto link i posted earlier
[01:45] <jeffco> it has given me hassles, but i think the hassles are not 1.04 specific. the hassles, i think come from putting in extensions, HappyFool.
[01:45] <cardador> hans_: applications -> run application -> pinguin (youll need to write it)
[01:45] <forsakerk8k6> but when i try to boot the kernel, it gives me a kernel panic
[01:45] <jeffco> yes, there's a remove button, HappyFool . do you recommend i remove them?
[01:46] <forsakerk8k6> maybe i'm doing something wrong
[01:46] <BoD_SWAT> forsakerk8k6, search ubuntuforums.org a bit... There should be a guide/howto there
[01:46] <pepsi> does anybody know when i can start using breezy?
[01:46] <HappyFool> jeffco: yeah, you can always add them again
[01:46] <sugoruyo> ok stupid question: i want to dl azureus from sf.net and i have the option of gtk and motif. what are those?
[01:46] <jdub> pepsi: developers are using it already
[01:47] <forsakerk8k6> ok.. i'll try.. but i am quite pessimistic :D
[01:47] <HappyFool> jeffco: you'll need marillat for any software for watching dvd's, playing mp3's, avi's, wmv etc. etc.
[01:47] <BoD_SWAT> refuze2looze, apt-get automatically installs the dependancies
[01:47] <jdub> pepsi: though it's not really amazingly safe for general consumption
[01:47] <jdub> pepsi: probably best to wait for Upstream Version Freeze or Feature Freeze
[01:47] <pepsi> sugoruyo, they're different UI toolkits
[01:47] <pepsi> gtk will look and feel like gtk apps
[01:47] <jeffco> HappyFool, so here's what i have now after deleting some: CD ubuntu, ubuntu, ubuntu updates, ubuntu security updates. Only these 4.
[01:47] <HappyFool> jeffco: sounds pretty standard
[01:48] <sugoruyo> oh so it's not a question of which one i have
[01:48] <BoD_SWAT> refuze2looze, just always use apt-get and you won't ever have problems with deps. (just uninstall the dpkg version and install the apt-get version)
[01:48] <pepsi> maybe.. its asking which to use
[01:48] <pepsi> pick gtk ;)
[01:48] <jeffco> what's the difference between "CD Ubuntu" and just "Ubuntu", HappyFool ?
[01:49] <HappyFool> 'CD ubuntu' refers to the cd you installed from
[01:49] <HappyFool> plain 'Ubuntu' is on the internet
[01:49] <sugoruyo> no it's which one i want to download
[01:49] <jeffco> so if i have only "CD Ubuntu" must i have the CDrom in the drive then?
[01:49] <sugoruyo> 2 versions
[01:49] <sugoruyo> motif or gtk
[01:49] <jdub> jeffco: yes
[01:49] <HappyFool> jeffco: actually, i don't know how that works
[01:49] <sugoruyo> the only differenece is how they look/
[01:50] <sugoruyo> ?
[01:50] <refuze2looze> BoD_SWAT: i know, but the package i installed is not in my sources-list and i dont want to start finding out what sources contain it (i believe none do). but i know apt-get has a way to fix broken dependancies, i've done it before and forgotten
[01:50] <jeffco> jdub, HappyFool: just curious.
[01:50] <jdub> sugoruyo: yes. the gtk one will fit in better.
[01:50] <HappyFool> ah, ok. i wondered why it never asked for the cd ;)
[01:50] <jeffco> so why did it never ask for the cd, if jdub says that it needs the CD, HappyFool ?
[01:51] <refuze2looze> i got it
[01:51] <refuze2looze> apt-get -f install
[01:51] <HappyFool> jeffco: i guess it checks if the cd is there, and if not, downloads from the net
[01:51] <BoD_SWAT> refuze2looze, have you added the universe stuff to the sourceslist?
[01:51] <jdub> BrianB04: you can just install gstreamer0.8-lame and use it with sound juicer...
[01:52] <refuze2looze> BoD_SWAT: yeah, univsere multiverse, etc etc. actually i was installing a modified gimp that was compiled to a debian pacakge
[01:52] <BrianB04> jdbu, When I say fun with commandlines, I mean the commandlines to encode the mp3 using Lame. You set it once in GRip...but I have to remember the proper commandline
[01:52] <jeffco> HappyFool, if that's the case, then why add "ubuntu" as a source? just curious.
[01:52] <HappyFool> jeffco: i have a feeling there's (much) more on the internet site
[01:52] <HappyFool> jeffco: like kde, etc.
[01:53] <BrianB04> Found it
[01:53] <bluszcz> hello
[01:53] <bluszcz> anyone use kubuntuhere?
[01:53] <Riddell> bluszcz: hi
[01:54] <BrianB04> --alt-preset extreme %s %d
[01:54] <BoD_SWAT> refuze2looze, then you have a problem. It's gonna take manual work. So you have to figure out what the depencies are and install them manually
[01:54] <klaas> jdub: I just tried that, but with me it results in a dependency conflict.
[01:54] <sugoruyo> that link about synaptic is not clear enough on adding repositories
[01:54] <refuze2looze> BoD_SWAT: no, i've figured it out already. apt-get -f install automatically installs package dependancies
[01:54] <refuze2looze> welcome to the beauty and power of apt-get
[01:54] <pepsi> jdub, i know that when warty was released, i dont remember waiting at all for hoary, i know there were problems at first, but it wasnt bad
[01:54] <BoD_SWAT> refuze2looze,  hehehehehe.... congrats
[01:55] <refuze2looze> :)
[01:55] <klaas> jdub: gstreamer0.8-lame: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is installed.
[01:55] <raven3x7> HappyFool what intel modem do you use? 536EP? are you on hoary?
[01:55] <refuze2looze> so if you ever try to install something using dpkg and then it has broken dependancies, just run apt-get -f install after it and bam it will isntall everything
[01:55] <HappyFool> raven3x7: yeah
[01:56] <raven3x7> did you use the patch in the wiki page?
[01:56] <HappyFool> i wrote the wiki page ;)
[01:56] <HappyFool> so, yes
[01:56] <HappyFool> not working for you?
[01:57] <sugoruyo> can someone help with setting up repositories in synaptic
[01:57] <BoD_SWAT> My Pioneer DVD/CD writer/reader doesn't work and isn't recognized under Ubuntu. Even the device manager doesn't 'see' it. It's on the same IDE channel as my other CD/DVD reader. H e l p!
[01:57] <bluszcz> I've got problem with automagicaly icons for cd and dvd on my kde desktop
[01:57] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: Settings -> Repositories
[01:58] <raven3x7> HappyFool i have that modem and we wree trying to get that patch to work on the inmodems mailing list. have you fixed the errors it contains?
[01:58] <HappyFool> err
[01:58] <jeffco> accdng to synaptic, aalib1 (ascii art library) is installed, i think automatically. how can i take a look at it? can anyone confirm that this package is part of a HH installation?
[01:58] <HappyFool> no
[01:58] <HappyFool> It Works For Me
[01:58] <raven3x7> so it worked for you?
[01:58] <HappyFool> raven3x7: however, i am interested in improving it
[01:58] <HappyFool> yip
[01:58] <HappyFool> have been on-line for... 36 hours this weekend without failure
[01:58] <HappyFool> transferred ~ 400 MB down
[01:59] <BrianB04> Okay, here's a really dumb question: How do you mount a harddrive so that users can access it?
[01:59] <klaas> Can anybody help me with an alsa problem? For some strange reasons my mixer-settings aren't saved after a reboot.
[01:59] <HappyFool> i meant 36 hours continuously
[01:59] <jeffco> anyone, help?
[01:59] <HappyFool> raven3x7: is the discussion recent? I'll go browse the mail archives
[02:00] <HappyFool> jeffco: right click on the entry in synaptic, and choose properties
[02:00] <krodrig2> klass: your sound is not set to start a boot
[02:00] <jeffco> HappyFool, done.
[02:00] <raven3x7> HappyFool: yeah the driver is great actually.  i had to mannually apply the changes as did a couple of other ppl on the list. you're the first person i know it worked for.
[02:00] <HappyFool> then select the 'Installed Files' tab
[02:00] <raven3x7> HappyFool yes it is
[02:00] <HappyFool> raven3x7: hmm
[02:00] <klaas> krodrig2: so, update-rc.d alsa default ?
[02:00] <jeffco> HappyFool, done.
[02:00] <HappyFool> raven3x7: i'm pretty sure the instructions on that wikipage are what i did
[02:01] <BrianB04> Cause, I'm bringing up my MP3 drive, and I can't write to it;)
[02:01] <jeffco> /usr/share/doc/aalib1 is one file.
[02:01] <HappyFool> raven3x7: i certainly didn't touch the code
[02:01] <klaas> krodrig2: It's there already.
[02:01] <HappyFool> jeffco: well, that's a directory, i think
[02:01] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: i did as u said but the link shows a different dialog than the one i get
[02:01] <jeffco> under the games category in synaptic, it seems many games are for KDE. will these games work for me?
[02:01] <HappyFool> jeffco: aalib is the 'ascii-art' library. it's a sort of debugging / nerd-joke video output thing
[02:01] <stuNNed> krodrig2: hi :)
[02:01] <abec> someone know a program for subtitle for .avi?
[02:02] <raven3x7> someone called emm11linux supplied a fix but i didn't come through correctly since the mailprogram added some newline characters. the base code is actually correct though
[02:02] <abec> .list
[02:03] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: yeah, that page is for warty, i'm afraid. anyway, you can click 'add' to add repostories
[02:03] <dockane> dont know nothing about pdas, need to acces an acer n10. any recommends for sync software ?
[02:03] <HappyFool> raven3x7: i think the original patch applied cleanly except for whitespace issues
[02:03] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: yeah but how do i find repositories?
[02:03] <krodrig2> klass: i am not a pro at this still learning but in gnome i had the same issue and when i checked my services the sound server was not set in etc/init.d to start after setting it all worked fine
[02:04] <jeffco> HappyFool, i think that aalib comes standard with a Ubuntu installation, doesn't it? If so, why? Are most ubuntu users nerds?
[02:04] <klaas> krodrig2: I'll check it out.
[02:04] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: synaptic knows about the ubuntu repositories
[02:04] <Riddell> bluszcz: what's the problem
[02:04] <jdub> jeffco: it's a dependency of something else
[02:04] <HappyFool> jeffco: no, i think you've installed mplayer or something else
[02:04] <hans_> can anyone help me with installing my lexmark allinone x74?
[02:04] <jdub> jeffco: apt-cache rdepends aalib1
[02:05] <HappyFool> jeffco: as to the nerdiness of ubuntu users, i am without comment ;)
[02:05] <jeffco> i installed Xine.
[02:05] <jdub> jeffco: (hint: gimp)
[02:05] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: i tried to add and i have updates and security updates?
[02:05] <jeffco> jdub, that's a hint to what?
[02:05] <klaas> krodrig2: Hmm, I don't have the gnome interface to init-scripts.
[02:05] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: is that all i need?
[02:05] <jeffco> You mean gimp uses aalib?
[02:05] <jdub> jeffco: see the command i just gave you, and the output
[02:06] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: that's enough for updates
[02:06] <jeffco> aalib1
[02:06] <jeffco> Reverse Depends:
[02:06] <jeffco>   xine-ui
[02:06] <jeffco>   libxine1
[02:06] <jeffco>   noatun-plugins
[02:06] <jeffco>   libxine1
[02:06] <jeffco>   gstreamer0.8-aa
[02:06] <jeffco>   aalib1-dev
[02:06] <jeffco>   gimp
[02:06] <sugoruyo> what about new programs?
[02:06] <jeffco> the above is the output, jdub.
[02:06] <klaas> krodrig2: And doens't that mean that you had no sound as well?
[02:06] <jdub> jeffco: i know :-)
[02:07] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: you'll probably want plain ubuntu as well
[02:07] <jeffco> jdub, under the games category in synaptic, it seems many games are for KDE. will these games work for me?
[02:07] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: i.e., the entry in the 'Add' list which says 'hoary hedgehog'
[02:07] <sugoruyo> i only have cd,updates and security updates to add in the list
[02:07] <Riddell> jeffco: yes they will work
[02:07] <jdub> jeffco: sure, it'll be a bigger download, but yes, they'll definitely work
[02:07] <jeffco> Riddell, isn't Gnome and KDE opposites?
[02:08] <BrianB04> Okay, now the test, will it rip and encode properly, let's find out.
[02:08] <bluszcz> Riddell: I've got cd at hdc and dvd at hdd
[02:08] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: when you click add a new box comes up
[02:08] <bluszcz> Riddell: my kde destkop show me automagically only one drive, hdc
[02:08] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: at the top is a button, which, when clicked presents a list
[02:08] <Riddell> jeffco: programmes for one work when runnnig the other
[02:08] <jdub> jeffco: kde and gnome apps will happily run in either environment
[02:08] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: that is what i was referring to
[02:08] <raven3x7> HappyFool http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/archive-fifth/msg02003.html and http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/archive-fifth/msg02026.html
[02:09] <HappyFool> raven3x7: thanks
[02:09] <jeffco> why are kde stuff a bigger download than gnome stuff?
[02:09] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: yeah you're right, i'm in a hurry and mistook that for the cd
[02:09] <sugoruyo> thanks
[02:09] <holycow> jeffco, theres more of it
[02:09] <Riddell> jeffco: probably because you don't have kdelibs already installed
[02:09] <jdub> jeffco: because those apps will also require the kde libraries
[02:09] <raven3x7> HappyFool btw great howto
[02:09] <HappyFool> raven3x7: for the record, at least one other guy (Michael, i think) got it working from my instructions
[02:09] <jdub> jeffco: which are not installed by default
[02:09] <HappyFool> raven3x7: so i'm not an entirely isolated case ;)
[02:09] <HappyFool> thanks :)
[02:10] <jeffco> jdub, i see. but once i install the first KDE package, succeeding ones are smaller downloads, no?
[02:10] <jdub> jeffco: yep
[02:11] <cardador> does anyone have Ubuntu installed on a Acer 1414 laptop?
[02:11] <HappyFool> raven3x7: hm, i guess a patch with bad newlines would be troublesome
[02:11] <defkewl> what's wrong with your laptop?
[02:11] <raven3x7> HappyFool Intel devolopers commented that they are working on a official version which is on beta status right now.
[02:11] <HappyFool> good
[02:12] <raven3x7> HappyFool as i said i thought it was easier to make patches by hand imo
[02:12] <HappyFool> i'll update my drivers and the wiki when that happens
[02:12] <jeffco> where can I get funner games, holycow, Riddell, jdub ?
[02:12] <jeffco> games like 3D-action...
[02:12] <jdub> jeffco: enable universe, and have another look :-)
[02:12] <HappyFool> raven3x7: yeah, but i think getting users to hand-patch a c-file... *eek*
[02:13] <cardador> defkewl: It will arrive tomorrow.
[02:13] <jorisK> Hello everyone. Anyone who knows how to TOGGLE the 'digital / analog sound output' setting in alsamixer? I got a Audigy2 that is not working :(
[02:13] <HappyFool> just using patch is probably fear-inspiring ;)
[02:13] <holycow> jeffco, open up synaptic and check out the games section
[02:13] <holycow> jeffco, other than that, search for retail games that come with a linux version, there are only a few but a few good ones
[02:13] <raven3x7> HappyFool im quit sure it is
[02:14] <holycow> jeffco, alternatively you can look into ... cedega ... it has some support for windows games
[02:14] <Bladlus> Hi. How do you unbind the Print Screen-button in gnome?  Anyone who knows how to TOGGLE the 'digital / analog sound output' setting in alsamixer? I got a Audigy2 that is not working :(
[02:16] <raven3x7> HappyFool do you mind if i post youre howto on the mailing list
[02:16] <raven3x7> ?
[02:16] <HappyFool> not at all
[02:17] <raven3x7> HappyFool i dont remember for sure but i think you're  right
[02:17] <HappyFool> i didn't ask permission for posting .. aaah.. whoever's patch, after all
[02:17] <cardador> jeffco: there is Enemy Territory and Americas Army freely available for Linux
[02:18] <jeffco> cardador, that's on syanpitc?
[02:18] <cardador> jeffco: no
[02:19] <cardador> jeffco: search in Google, there are a lot of mirrors from which you can download them
[02:19] <jeffco> is it safe to get stuff from outside of synaptic?
[02:20] <HappyFool> raven3x7: i see the message you posted is for 2.6.11 -- I wonder if there's any difference between requirements for 2.6.10 and 2.6.11
[02:20] <jm^> May I ask why apt-get enquires me to insert the Ubuntu CD-ROM when installing certain packages?
[02:21] <cardador> jeffco: it depends. in this case, youll be fine installing from outside synaptic..
[02:21] <raven3x7> maybe thats what the slight change emm11linux added is for but i'm not sure as i use it on a 2.6.10 kernel
[02:21] <stuNNed> both great games btw
[02:21] <darkaudit> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6615 was reported in *February* and was fixed upstream a month ago. Still hasn't made it into Hoary. What gives?
[02:21] <BrianB04> Okay, I wanna play Mp3s with Rhythmbox, what exactly do I need to install, apt-wise to get that to work?:)
[02:21] <jorisK> Anyone who can tell me where i can find grub.conf? I want to make asjustments to grub but i can't find the file :(
[02:22] <darkaudit> BrianB04: gstreamer-mad
[02:22] <jdub> darkaudit: only major bug and security fixes go into hoary now that it is released
[02:22] <cardador> jorisK: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:22] <stuNNed> jorisK: menu.lst in /boot/grub
[02:22] <jeffco> can synaptic do everything the terminal can? in terms of getting software?
[02:22] <jdub> jeffco: pretty much, yes
[02:23] <darkaudit> jdub: That is a pretty significant usability bug, since it broke the ability to properly select a destination folder for what you want to accomplish
[02:23] <jdub> darkaudit: it doesn't delete your hard drive or let someone else do it ;)
[02:24] <stuNNed> jdub: i have bug with gamin not properly writing files/folders to desktop when saved there...
[02:24] <raven3x7> HappyFool maybe thats what the slight change emm11linux added is for but i'm not sure as i use it on a 2.6.10 kernel
[02:24] <jeffco> jdub, and if i get something thru terminal, it will show up (and can be deleted via) Synaptic, correct?
[02:24] <jdub> stuNNed: that's a very common one
[02:24] <jdub> jeffco: yes
[02:24] <hans_> how do i mount usb sticks?
[02:24] <HappyFool> raven3x7: the two patches actually look quite different
[02:25] <stuNNed> jdub: that seems major bug
[02:25] <jdub> stuNNed: it doesn't delete your hard drive or let someone else do it ;)
[02:25] <stuNNed> LOL
[02:25] <jdub> hans_: plug it in, it should happen automagically
[02:25] <hans_> thx
[02:25] <BrianB04> Now, I need to find a better MP3 tool that offers more features than RhythmBox....
[02:25] <stuNNed> jdub: if i have circa 2001/2002 laptop still need info on the laptop page?
[02:26] <hans_> and how do i install a usb wireless lan adapter?
[02:26] <jdub> stuNNed: i don't quite grok the question
[02:26] <holycow> BrianB04, what features are you looking for?
[02:26] <jdub> hans_: some of those are a real pain, you need to use separate network software for them
[02:26] <jdub> hans_: but try plugging it in, and see if the network tool lets you configure it
[02:26] <stuNNed> jdub: got an email on the -dev list about laptop support and new entry on wiki, want laptop specs for broad different laptop configurations
[02:26] <BrianB04> holycow, Nice tagging, ability to move files within the program, and have it update automatically.
[02:27] <raven3x7> HappyFool hmm i didn't really compare them. i just had the impression that emm11linux just commented //pm_access(power_dev); uot
[02:27] <jdub> stuNNed: if it's a major brand and has weird problems, maybe, but we're really targeting new ones
[02:27] <stuNNed> jdub: what i'd configured :)
[02:27] <darkaudit> jdub: I still consider not being able to properly select a folder to extract files to, or to place files in other apps, to be a very significant bug, *especially* if I were trying to get someone introduced to Ubuntu. They would all yell at me as to why they tried to extract an archive to ~/Documents, but it went to ~/Documents/Nasty Stuff instead. It's not supposed to work like that
[02:27] <stuNNed> jdub: do newer ones still ship with linuxant crap?
[02:28] <jdub> stuNNed: depends on the laptop - our goal is to fully support it with free software if we can
[02:28] <HappyFool> raven3x7: oh, right
[02:28] <stuNNed> jdub: so that goal is real? very nice :D
[02:29] <jdub> darkaudit: see the last three comments of that bug
[02:29] <stuNNed> jdub: and why networkmanager and not novell's network applet?
[02:29] <jeffco> abisword is not in synaptic.
[02:29] <jdub> stuNNed: for breezy? because it's the best choice
[02:29] <BrianB04> holycow, And the ability to lookup and retag MP3s based on the CDDB would be nice too.
[02:29] <stuNNed> abiword is it, jeffco?
[02:29] <jdub> jeffco: install abiword-gnome
[02:29] <holycow> BrianB04, not sure of a tool that does all that
[02:29] <darkaudit> jdub: if only I were a coder :)
[02:30] <stuNNed> jdub: i tried it out in fedora, not that great...
[02:30] <BrianB04> If there was a good tagger for Linux, I could deal with that, just properly tag them, then move them as need be, and use like XMMS
[02:30] <holycow> there probably is a separate taggin app, i don't know of any integrated apps
[02:31] <jdub> BrianB04: there are a bunch available, have a look in synaptic or apt-cache
[02:31] <jeffco> yes. i didn't know the correct name, stuNNed! sounds like you have it in your PC?
[02:31] <holycow> i've seen like billions of mp3 tagging apps on source forge
[02:31] <holycow> i've never understood why people spend so much time tagging their music
[02:32] <hac> How I can enable the ipv6 traffic with Firestarter?
[02:32] <darkaudit> holycow: so you don't have amaroK or Juk putting one album's worth of stuff in three or four different places
[02:34] <holycow> darkaudit, oh they automatically move stuff around the file system depending on the metadata?
[02:34] <darkaudit> even on an album I ripped myself, I ended up with both Charlie Mingus and Charles Mingus as the artist
[02:34] <holycow> or they just display info groupings based on meatadata?
[02:34] <BrianB04> Juk looks awesome, let's see if I can manage to get it running under Gnome;)
[02:34] <darkaudit> holycow: not in the filesystem, but on it's internal catalog of your collection
[02:35] <holycow> ah
[02:35] <holycow> i'm lame, i use the filesystem to store the metadata :)
[02:35] <holycow> lol
[02:35] <darkaudit> Because there were different artist attributions, A Charlie Brown Christmas got split into 5 different groups...
[02:36] <BrianB04> Well, how's you like that, I got it running beautifully
[02:36] <holycow> BrianB04, yeah a lot of comments have been made about gnome and kde splitting up the destkop environment but ...
[02:36] <darkaudit> but amaroK is better at that... if it sees different artists on one album title, it labels it 'Various Artists' and calls it a compilation :)
[02:36] <cardador> Can we expect an official bootsplash for Ubuntu, like SuSE's one? I dont care for bootsplash on a regular desktop computer, but it is important on a laptop.
[02:36] <holycow> ... no one ever seems to care that you can run both apps in both de's, and bot de's are working together to unify things like menues
[02:37] <BrianB04> I mean, jesus, it even properly does system tray icon
[02:37] <holycow> darkaudit, i've never trusted applications to properly deal with metadata ... maybe i should give it a go and see how well juke handles this stuff
[02:37] <HappyFool> cardador: why's that ? (just curious)
[02:38] <darkaudit> BrianB04: Juk and amaroK work great whever I run it... but fluxbox doesn't handle the tray icon as gracefully as GNOME, KDE, or XFCE
[02:38] <cmatheson> hey guys.. i can't open a terminal in X!  i tried doing it at the console to get the error message and it is get_pty: can't get enough ptys.  is this something to do w/ devfs
[02:38] <cmatheson> ?
[02:38] <BrianB04> WHy haven't I switched to Linux before? Can someone tell me this?
[02:38] <cardador> why its important? because people reboot laptops quite often
[02:38] <Jefis> i can't hear sound anymore, what to do?
[02:38] <darkaudit> BrianB04: you were lost in the wilderness :)
[02:39] <BrianB04> darkaudit, Apparently I was...this is amazing
[02:39] <cmatheson> anyone know why i wouldn't have enough pty's to open a terminal?
[02:39] <holycow> BrianB04, welcome :)
[02:40] <BrianB04> Now, if I could get a Imap server working on this, so I can use Fetchmail to grab all my mail, then a webmail client, or Evolution to read it, I will be uberhappy
[02:40] <jeffco> is there a way i can make a customized terminal command in my panel for one click action? For example, I'd like to make an icon, that if clicked would do killall gnome-panel.
[02:40] <HappyFool> cmatheson: the obvious question is what have you changed? ;)
[02:40] <cardador> HappyFool: i am constantly making presentations on international conferences, and I guess you agree that having a bootsplash on my laptop makes it look more professional than having a bunch of characteres scrolling on the screen
[02:41] <cmatheson> HappyFool: i upgraded to breezy
[02:41] <darkaudit> I liked evolution for a while, but once I got spamassassin working, it took forever to scan my mail. I like kmail's ability to get my mailing list mail in place and concentrate it's spam filtering on the rest... much faster
[02:41] <Seveas> jeffco, rightclick on panel, select add to panel, select 'custom application launcher'
[02:41] <HappyFool> cardador: sounds reasonable. i don't use a laptop much
[02:41] <Seveas> cmatheson, fool
[02:41] <HappyFool> cmatheson: ah
[02:41] <Seveas> no one should use breezy now
[02:42] <Jefis> what to do, sound server crashed, can't here any sound
[02:42] <BrianB04> Well, my first object is to get a IMap server running...I hate courier with an absolute passion
[02:42] <raven3x7> HappyFool what's really funny is the linux verion of the driver actually works better for me than the windows xp one!
[02:42] <darkaudit> there isn't even a Breezy test CD out yet
[02:42] <herzi> i have a machine with warty installed, updates to hoary development in november, how do i get the notification icon for software updates? i already installed the neccessary packages, but there's no periodical checking of updates AFAIS
[02:42] <Seveas> herzi, have you since november upgraded?
[02:42] <Seveas> and do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[02:43] <darkaudit> herzi: haven't been many updates for Hoary since the official release...
[02:43] <jeffco> Seveas, thanks.
[02:43] <herzi> darkaudit: there have been security updates
[02:44] <HappyFool> raven3x7: heh. maybe kernel changes etc. exercise the linux driver more, requiring bug-fixes and improvements from intel
[02:44] <darkaudit> herzi: I know... a few, but not many... at least not to the levi I saw when Hoary was still testing... or what I saw when I ran Sid
[02:44] <BrianB04> darkaudit, All my accounts have spam assassin for the mail, so I never get spam through them, so I'm not worried about spam filtering or virus blocking.
[02:44] <holycow> nc
[02:44] <holycow> scratch that :) typo
[02:45] <darkaudit> BrianB04: Verizon filters, but some Nigerian spam, and 'Microsoft security patch' mail still gets through
[02:45] <herzi> Seveas: no, i don't need OOo
[02:45] <BrianB04> What is the imap port?
[02:46] <herzi> and i don't need fetchmail; and as ubuntu-desktop does want to install all of them, i don't want to install ubuntu-desktop
[02:46] <herzi> i am just missing the auto-refresh part of package lists