[05:42] <danko123456> http://pastebin.ca/13003 has only one set....not sure what you mean...
[05:42] <stonecrest> JasonF: are other resolutions specified in your xorg.conf?
[05:42] <IcemanV9> JasonF: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:42] <nern> anybody like to recommend a bsd
[05:42] <nern> i want to try one
[05:42] <danko123456> read about them, best to do...
[05:43] <iceman2K> crap  .. these instructions are outdated ...
[05:43] <nern> k thx
[05:43] <danko123456> welcome,.
[05:43] <IcemanV9> nern: freebsd.org
[05:43] <iceman2K> just need to find a  virtual package download site ?
[05:44] <rg58sma> why #deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main ??
[05:44] <danko123456> it is commented out # means you are not gonna use it.
[05:44] <nern> IcemanV9: so you would recommend FreeBSD?
[05:44] <arvin> ok 2 questions for u brelic, i dont add it to recovery mode ubuntu only standard boot correct? and second question is do i add that line AFTER this entry
[05:44] <arvin> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda3 ro quiet splash
[05:44] <rg58sma> why #deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main have a "#"
[05:44] <danko123456> # means you are not gonna use it.
[05:45] <IcemanV9> nern: i have used it for a long time. it is good BSD for noob. :)
[05:45] <danko123456> you dont need it, that is why you are not gonna use it.
[05:45] <dna`> whats the difference between universe and multiuniverse?
[05:46] <rg58sma> what have this???
[05:46] <nern> IcemanV9: well good, i just so happen to have 5.4 burned already :)
[05:46] <rg58sma> what are in nerim
[05:46] <danko123456> nothing for you at this time.
[05:46] <danko123456> I am not sure.
[05:46] <IcemanV9> nern: ha. well. enjoy, then.
[05:46] <dna`> multiverse i mean sorry
[05:46] <danko123456> universe is open source software and multiverse is closed source.
[05:46] <rg58sma> but mplayer are there???
[05:46] <JasonF> IcemanV9: thank you, although now I have to track down the refresh rates for my monitor
[05:46] <danko123456> no, its n universe
[05:47] <] BreliC[> arvin, you don't need to add it to the recovery mode.  and second question, just add what i told you *to* that line, not a new line.. so /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda3 ro quiet splash psmouse.proto=imps
[05:47] <rg58sma> ok thanks
[05:47] <rg58sma> man
[05:47] <rg58sma> you are a good man
[05:47] <danko123456> welxcome
[05:47] <arvin> alright got it brelic
[05:47] <danko123456> sudo apt-get update
[05:47] <danko123456> im a kid...22
[05:47] <IcemanV9> JasonF: sure. either from the manual or via google. you'll have the refresh rate.
[05:47] <rg58sma> o
[05:47] <robitaille> danko123456,  for a bit more detail about universe vs multiverse: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/
[05:47] <rg58sma> im too
[05:47] <rg58sma> 22
[05:47] <rg58sma> where are??
[05:47] <danko123456> thank you.
[05:48] <danko123456> Canada, props to Maradona:)
[05:48] <flankk> other than scheduled release cycle and x.org, what else does ubuntu have that debian doesn't?
[05:48] <iceman2K> openmosix is a virtual package and how the hell to get it ...
[05:48] <JasonF> IcemanV9: google is how I used to always find it, for some god-forsaken reason, they took the refresh rates off the page
[05:48] <JasonF> IcemanV9: is there any other way to find otu
[05:48] <danko123456> dna`: see that link?
[05:48] <rg58sma> jajjai
[05:48] <arvin> ok thanks alot brelic
[05:48] <arvin> im going to try it out right now
[05:48] <RastaMahata> goldfish, thanks for the screen toturial :D
[05:48] <] BreliC[> arvin, ok, good luck
[05:48] <RastaMahata> tutorial, too
[05:48] <rg58sma> is the most amazing futbol player in the UNIVERSE and MULTIVERSE
[05:48] <rg58sma> jajajaj
[05:49] <danko123456> hehe:) I saw a video recently, man, that guy could control the ball......and dance at the same time:)
[05:49] <goldfish> RastaMahata: np
[05:49] <IcemanV9> JasonF: not really. hate to say this, but did u use windows? if so, then you can write down the refresh rate.
[05:49] <iceman2K> shoot how to run a ex file type ..
[05:49] <goldfish> RastaMahata: http://www.hn2.org/docs/tbg/screen.html
[05:49] <JasonF> I know  what refresh rate I want
[05:49] <danko123456> hey, rg58sma tried #ubuntu-es ?
[05:49] <goldfish> RastaMahata: thats a better one i was just informed :)
[05:49] <JasonF> I know I want to run 1152@75hz
[05:50] <RastaMahata> thanks :D
[05:50] <JasonF> but I don't know the horizsync and vertrefresh
[05:50] <IcemanV9> JasonF: what is ur monitor model??
[05:50] <JasonF> IcemanV9: hah! extracted it from the monitor .inf file download from their site
[05:50] <JasonF> MGC 17" something or other
[05:51] <JasonF> IcemanV9: brb, seeing if the new settings work
[05:51] <IcemanV9> JasonF: cool.
[05:52] <danko123456> iceman2K: um, more info?
[05:52] <rg58sma> yes
[05:52] <rg58sma> but the level in not good like here
[05:52] <danko123456> yeah, I agree.
[05:52] <iceman2K> virtual package, dont know .. i aptitude install openmosixview and it tells me
[05:52] <iceman2K> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:52] <dna`> yes danko123456 thanks :)
[05:52] <iceman2K>   openmosixview: Depends: openmosix which is a virtual package.
[05:53] <danko123456> altho, I dont kno what they are talking about so I cant tell.:)
[05:53] <iceman2K> i aptitude install openmosix .. not found
[05:53] <arvin> ok it didnt work
[05:53] <] BreliC[> arvin, hmm...
[05:53] <arvin> it gave me an error
[05:54] <danko123456> why does make not work again, after configure?
[05:54] <arvin> unkown boot option
[05:54] <rg58sma> what program use to make a download
[05:54] <arvin> ignoring command
[05:54] <arvin> or something
[05:54] <rg58sma> like apt-get update
[05:54] <rg58sma> in right time
[05:54] <danko123456> rg58sma: what are you getting, though?
[05:54] <rg58sma> like i go to bed
[05:54] <] BreliC[> arvin, really?  well, just take it out i guess, but it did work for me on an older install with a synaptic touchpad
[05:54] <fishie> how do i install plugins for gimp? i tried gimptool command but that doesn't work
[05:55] <rg58sma> an a like what in 4 o clok my ubunto make a apt-get  upgrade
[05:56] <danko123456> you can sudo apt-get dist-upgrade that updates your whole system.
[05:56] <rg58sma> ok
[05:56] <danko123456> if you are installing a specific program, sudo apt-get install programName
[05:56] <rg58sma> yes
[05:56] <rexykik> f
[05:56] <danko123456> which one?
[05:56] <danko123456> g
[05:56] <rg58sma> like
[05:56] <rg58sma> various
[05:56] <rg58sma> progran
[05:56] <rg58sma> take 1 hours
[05:56] <rexykik> what is the command to make a fat32 filesystem? is it mkfs.vfat -F 32?
[05:56] <iceman2K> may just toast and install knoppixcluster ... has openmossix at install ...
[05:57] <fishie> i need a perfection thunderbird theme
[05:57] <cyphase> whats the cron syntax to run "ScriptName -a bbb -b ccc -c ddd" every 10 minutes?
[05:57] <iceman2K> i like ubuntu .. but want the openmosix cluster and network ability ... crud ...
[05:58] <cyphase> iceman2k, same here
[05:58] <dna`> can someone who uses universe and multiverse send me his sources.list or paste it please? i messed mine up :(
[05:58] <cyphase> that would be awesome
[05:58] <rg58sma> danko123456,  "PLAN" like plan
[05:58] <iceman2K> dna' you can just clic and turn them all on .. i did
[05:58] <cyphase> dna`, i sent it
[05:59] <dna`> cyphase, argh my dcc is fubar ;/
[05:59] <cyphase> 1 sec
[05:59] <cyphase> brb
[05:59] <bigbill52a> does anyone know why the xserver crashes so completely that even the keyboard doesnt work and you have little square grey blocks on the screen
[05:59] <arvin> hmm ive been trying to figure out this synaptics thing for hours now, ive tried the forums and wiki but none of them have worked, instead of left clicking whenever i tap using my touchpad, it pastes my clipboard or opens up a tab in firefox wen i click i link
[05:59] <iceman2K> dna' here is my sources .. file xfer to you ..
[06:00] <dna`> iceman2K, dcc doesnt work, can you email or paste please?
[06:00] <iceman2K> dna' sure ..
[06:01] <] BreliC[> cyphase, */10 will give you every 10 minutes
[06:01] <jack664614894> why u alway say ubuntu is good
[06:01] <jack664614894> i don't think so
[06:01] <danko123456> I dont think so netiher, ubuntu is evil, but he hides it well...
[06:02] <danko123456> that is why everyone is like, ubuntu is good...
[06:02] <] BreliC[> so "*/10 * * * * Scriptname -a bbb"
[06:02] <iceman2K> cyphase you been able to install openmosix on a ubuntu system
[06:02] <danko123456> jack664614894: now, do you have anything we could try to help you with?
[06:03] <iceman2K> may just toast ubuntu ... hate to .. but no clear install instruction for openmosix ..
[06:03] <danko123456> iceman2K: yeah, I tried to compile, it dont work...
[06:04] <Razor-X> does LTSP work in Ubuntu/
[06:04] <Razor-X> *?
[06:04] <danko123456> noone is here now that knows lots, though, so you can give it some time, too.
[06:04] <JDahl_> iceman2K, openmosix is that the package for clustermanagement?
[06:04] <Razor-X> i'm planning on installing NTSP
[06:04] <Razor-X> JDahl_: one of them
[06:04] <Razor-X> there are many clustermanagement packages for Linux
[06:04] <iceman2K> yes .. its a add on to the kernel for clustering ..
[06:04] <Razor-X> *LTSP
[06:05] <iceman2K> knoppixcluster has it preinstalled .. so does clusternix ..
[06:05] <Razor-X> goddamned mice.....  My new SATA srive came today, now, when I go to install Hoary, I get "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources"
[06:06] <cyphase> im nor familiar with cron
[06:07] <iceman2K> Razor-X cant find a "how to " to walk me through
[06:07] <JasonF> hrm
[06:07] <JasonF> iceman2K: I played with the numbers until I got a set that worked
[06:07] <JasonF> thanks.
[06:07] <cyphase> put*
[06:07] <JasonF> now, I get to enter the realm of dual-monitor setup w/nvidia
[06:07] <bigbill52a> did you do a search for syna in synaptic
[06:07] <zenrox> JasonF,  dual monitors rocks
[06:08] <DekaPink> Well, I've got Ubuntu installed and working now.
[06:08] <Jormundgand> I see no point in dual or more monitors.
[06:08] <DekaPink> Except I don't know how to go about setting up my internet connection.
[06:08] <Jormundgand> One monitor is perfectly sufficient.
[06:08] <JDahl_> iceman2K, In my experience - when you need something as special as that, you'll have to bite the bullet and dig through the documentation anyway; so you might as well compile it... I doubt other distros have point-and-click support for clustermanagement
[06:08] <iceman2K> JasonF aptitude wants a virtual package ...
[06:08] <rg58sma> please tellme a script sheel to apt-get upgrade with out me
[06:08] <danko123456> crimmy: hi! how can we install openmosix?
[06:08] <JasonF> iceman2K: howso?
[06:08] <DekaPink> Can anyone tell me what to do to set up my DSL? ^^
[06:09] <Razor-X> iceman2K: you can't have a guide for it
[06:09] <danko123456> well, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade should work if you leave it
[06:09] <Razor-X> if it's a kernel addon
[06:09] <rixth> Hmmm. My new SATA (SCSI) drive came today, now, when I go to install Hoary, I get "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources" I havn't found anything useful on this. I've had no problems installing Hoary on a 20gb IDE disc on the same computer.
[06:09] <danko123456> DekaPink: sudo pppoeconf
[06:09] <iceman2K> JDahl_ knoppiccluster ... live cd that boot and clusters at boot ... easy to get up ..
[06:09] <Razor-X> then, you have to make sure you have the kernel headers package
[06:09] <Razor-X> add the neccessary stuff to the kernel
[06:09] <Razor-X> recompile
[06:09] <Razor-X> et viola, C'est Open-Mosix
[06:09] <DekaPink> danko123456: Thank you.
[06:10] <danko123456> welcome, hope t works, should.
[06:10] <iceman2K> anyone know a different cluster package
[06:11] <JDahl_> iceman2K, look at it this way: I bet you're one a of handful of people (at most) that have been looking for openmosix for Ubuntu... wouldn't you rather have devs spending time on other things?
[06:11] <iceman2K> JDahl_ i'll take a different cluster package ..
[06:12] <crimmy> if you're interested in cluster support on Ubuntu, I urge you to read the MOTUTeams wiki page and process thusly
[06:12] <crimmy> to proceed, rather
[06:12] <danko123456> urge?:)
[06:12] <iceman2K> ;-)
[06:12] <danko123456> thanks, crimmy.
[06:14] <DekaPink> Yay, that totally worked. :D
[06:14] <hitest> Is breezy really unstable that we shouldn't use it?
[06:15] <crimmy> hitest: yes
[06:15] <DekaPink> Now Ubuntu is connected~
[06:15] <hitest> Thank you.
[06:15] <danko123456> nice.
[06:15] <mcquaid> hello
 DO NOT INSTALL BREAZY UNLESS YOU WANT PROBLUMS
[06:15] <IcemanV9> DekaPink: wasn't it easy? :)
[06:16] <danko123456> crimmy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUTeams ? I have read the whole thing, and nothing on clusters...
[06:16] <rixth> Hmmm. My new SATA (SCSI) drive came today, now, when I go to install Hoary (from the CDs made by Ubuntu...), I get "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources" I havn't found anything useful on this. I've had no problems installing Hoary on a 20gb IDE disc on the same computer.
[06:16] <crimmy> danko123456: (start a team for clustering)
[06:16] <danko123456> ah:)
[06:16] <mcquaid> i want to compile some software where obviously there are no debs available
[06:16] <hitest> I'm really liking 5.04, it has replaced Slackware 10.1 on my Plll IBM 667
[06:16] <mcquaid> i used to just install the dev files or whatever i needed in deb sid and compile the software
[06:16] <crimmy> mcquaid: for your personal use or for Ubuntu Breezy?
[06:16] <Jormundgand> zenrox: I get the feeling that's a touch extreme. Breezy for the most part is stable, but it has some annoying holes and certain configurations may well throw it.
[06:17] <mcquaid> for hoary
[06:17] <mcquaid> for myself though
[06:17] <IcemanV9> hitest: way to go! :)
[06:17] <zenrox> Jormundgand,  but not for the average user
[06:17] <mcquaid> what i'd like to do is make proper debs instead of compiling and installing software in this deb distro
[06:17] <arvin> hey if anyone would want to know for future reference i figured out the touchpad problem
[06:17] <crimmy> mcquaid: then you'll need to read the Debian New Maintainer's Guide and the Debian Developer's Guide
[06:17] <danko123456> Jormundgand: it is not for anyone that has no particular reason to use breezy, and who is content with hoary, and who is not someone who likes no headache computers...
[06:18] <crimmy> mcquaid: *hint* Go with cdbs
[06:18] <mcquaid> i was looking over the deb maintainers guide, but i was wondering if there is an abreviated way of making debs where the software compiles with ./configure make make install without issue
[06:18] <bigbill52a> what did you do arvin?
[06:18] <danko123456> arvin: post to forums, please!
[06:18] <crimmy> mcquaid: see above hint.
[06:18] <mcquaid> cdbs?
[06:18] <arvin> danko, its already on the forums
[06:18] <mcquaid> never heard of that
[06:18] <hitest> I like Slack, don't get me wrong, but, 5.04 plays better with all of my hardware.  Anyone know when the next stable release is coming out?
[06:18] <danko123456> ah, great.
[06:18] <mcquaid> i've tried checkinstall but dont like it
[06:18] <arvin> just wondering if u guys wanted to know if somoene else asks here
[06:18] <crimmy> mcquaid: and now you have. (Checkinstall is suboptimal.)
[06:18] <danko123456> 5.10;)
[06:18] <IcemanV9> hitest: october aka 5.10
[06:19] <tjs> whats up with firefox in hoary?
[06:19] <hitest> Thank you, IcemanV9!!  :-)
[06:19] <Jormundgand> And Ubuntu itself isn't without its annoying features, like the excessive tinkering with the packages. I don't like the ugly-as-hell logos for the customised Ubuntu versions of Firefox and Thunderbird and I want the correct logos in place, but I have no scope for that. Even the backports versions have the crappy "About" logos which defeats the purpose of backporting Firefox 1.0.4.
[06:19] <danko123456> tjs: exactly, whats up with it...
[06:19] <bob2> Jormundgand: er
[06:19] <quailster> tjs: I know, firefox stinks in hoary
[06:20] <bob2> Jormundgand: firefox and thunderbird have those logos because the firefox people insist on it
[06:20] <rixth> quailster, they failed to update the version numer too
[06:20] <tjs> danko123456, goto http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/upgrade/ with your hoary firefox
[06:20] <bob2> Jormundgand: if you want the pretty windows logo, talk to them
[06:20] <tjs> er
[06:20] <mcquaid> crimmy, hmm the cdbs page is kinda lacking, not sure exactly what it is
[06:20] <Jormundgand> bob2: But I'd expect the About logo on a BACKPORTED version of the OFFICIAL Firefox to have the official logo, no?
[06:20] <crimmy> Jormundgand: there's an entire debian-devel and debian-legal heritage behind those logos.
[06:20] <tjs> try installing an extension even
[06:20] <Jormundgand> crimmy: Heritage doesn't decrease suck level.
[06:20] <crimmy> mcquaid: install it and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/cdbs/why.html
[06:20] <bob2> Jormundgand: who knows what the backports people do
[06:20] <crimmy> Jormundgand: it's required by upstream, not Debian or Ubuntu themselves
[06:20] <bob2> Jormundgand: talk to them if you want them to change the logo, but the real Ubuntu packages cannot use the nice logos
[06:21] <quailster> Firefox is really unstable in Ubuntu, maybe I should just compile it my own
[06:21] <danko123456> tjs: upgrade my firefox? cant do that...
[06:21] <EircB> roll roll roll your own
[06:21] <Nula> firefox unstable in Ubuntu???
[06:21] <Nula> heh
[06:21] <danko123456> tjs, I use other browsers, but I could I guess..
[06:21] <bob2> quailster: it runs for weeks for me, have you filed a bug?
[06:21] <hitest> Fire Fox works fine for me.
[06:21] <JasonF> gah
[06:21] <jasmuz> quailster: Firefox has been great on my Ubunut
[06:21] <mcquaid> crimmy, ok thx
[06:21] <arvin> i just have one last problem, its regarding WPA encryption for wifi..i tried following this wikihowto but i cant figure out how to add wpasupplicant the instructions are very obscure
[06:21] <arvin> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WPAHowto
[06:21] <Nula> I'm sure the Ubuntu kernel inteferes with the firefox process
[06:22] <tjs> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10681
[06:22] <tjs> this is the issue with firefox
[06:22] <quailster> yea, one time, everytime I type ' (single quote), it automatic goes to "Find"
[06:22] <tjs> you can nolonger download plugins/extensions for ubuntu hoary firefox
[06:22] <Nula> you can
[06:22] <Nula> open firefox and type about:config in the url bar
[06:23] <tjs> I did that hack
[06:23] <bob2> tjs: wasn't that fixed?
[06:23] <Nula> it worked for me
[06:23] <rg58sma> what are the plugins for
[06:23] <tjs> still didnt work
[06:23] <quailster> The thing is that I cannot recreate the situation, so I cannot report the bug
[06:23] <danko123456> tjs: I just installed it, you didnt know how, that is all....
[06:23] <rg58sma> listen a radio in webpage
[06:23] <skobel> anyone know if its possible to get a wintv pvr350 to work in ubuntu?
[06:23] <bob2> skobel: you need to find out what chipset it uses
[06:23] <danko123456> rg58sma: yeah, something like that.
[06:24] <skobel> bob2, how do you do that?
[06:24] <bob2> skobel: read the box and/or look at the physical card
[06:24] <bob2> skobel: the instruction manual might mention it, too
[06:24] <rg58sma> hhtp://www.fmrockandpop.com/v2/vivo.htm
[06:25] <levenhstein> skobel, you might want to check out http://ivtv.sourceforge.net/
[06:25] <rg58sma> hhtp://www.fmrockandpop.com/v2/vivo.htm im sorry
[06:25] <Madpilot> hi all... are the Ubuntu Backports servers down? Synaptic just went a bit odd on me...
[06:25] <jasmuz> skobel: open a console and do a lspci command....give us the results of the card
[06:25] <Jormundgand> That's not supposed to happen.
[06:25] <danko123456> rg58sma: not everything works, though....
[06:25] <Johnnyfav> I'm using wine and I'm running Steam.....the username and password comes up but when I type in the fields...it's typing in the terminal...how can I fix this?
[06:25] <skobel> 0000:02:02.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC15 MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)
[06:26] <mcquaid> hmm this looks above me head right now
[06:26] <jasmuz> skobel:  you will have too google it ...to see what you come up with...i dont know that card
[06:26] <jasmuz> http://www.conceptlab.com/frog/ for all the geeks in the room
[06:27] <bob2> Madpilot: try asking on the forums, it's not run by any official ubuntu people
[06:27] <levenhstein> skobel, definitively check http://ivtv.sourceforge.net/ (take Chris Kennedy's version)
[06:27] <bob2> Johnnyfav: does wine support steam? http:://appdb.codeweavers.com/
[06:27] <danko123456> jasmuz: for all the evil animal torturing geeks ;)
[06:27] <MegaManX> Hi! Is there anyone familiar with cron?
[06:27] <arvin> anyone know how to configure WPA
[06:27] <bob2> Madpilot: best to just ask your question
[06:27] <jasmuz> danko123456: that is just a dead frog ! :P
[06:28] <ells> anyone in here using gtkpod
[06:28] <skobel> levenhstein, which version is that?
[06:28] <danko123456> Madpilot: read the forums about that baskports thing, they moved the server.
[06:28] <skobel> development or stable?
[06:28] <MegaManX> How would one add a cron job to run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" automatically once every 24 hours?
[06:28] <Johnnyfav> support...it's runing fine...just can't type my password in
[06:28] <Johnnyfav> grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[06:28] <bob2> Madpilot: that's a bad idea
[06:28] <bob2> er
[06:28] <bob2> MegaManX: that's a bad idea
[06:29] <ells> hello, anyone using gtkpod for the ipod
[06:29] <levenhstein> skobel, stable first
[06:29] <Madpilot> bob2: actually, that was the whole of my qestion! :)  I'll check the forums... thnx
[06:29] <danko123456> welcome:)
[06:29] <MegaManX> bob2, thanks for your reply. Is there a better way to keep a server uptodate without much intervention?
[06:29] <bob2> Madpilot: sorry, tab-completion screw up
[06:29] <levenhstein> skobel, I haven't followed the unstable in a while but from their mailing list it seemed like it was stable enough
[06:29] <bob2> ells: no need to keep asking over and over
[06:29] <ells> bob2, sorry, just wondering
[06:30] <ells> bob2, are you using gtkpod
[06:30] <Madpilot> bob2: no problem...
[06:30] <DekaPink> Hmmm...
[06:30] <rg58sma> hhtp://www.fmrockandpop.com/v2/vivo.htm im sorry
[06:30] <danko123456> Jormundgand: now, that should not happen;..:)
[06:30] <Jormundgand> Anyone else having trouble with X locking up when accessing the backports homepage in Firefox?
[06:30] <bob2> MegaManX: You need to keep an eye on upgrades to make sure they don't screw things up, I'd never be doing them automatically
[06:30] <skobel> ok thanks
[06:30] <danko123456> rg58sma: what about that, it dont work here...
[06:30] <bob2> Jormundgand: are you using ubuntu's firefox?
[06:30] <Jormundgand> bob2: backported 1.0.4.
[06:30] <bob2> ells: no, my music player just does usb-storage
[06:30] <DekaPink> I'm following the Unofficial Ubuntu guide, and I put in the repositories file from there... and alot of them are giving me 403 errors?
[06:30] <rg58sma> dont listen??
[06:30] <danko123456> nope.  no music.
[06:31] <MegaManX> bob2, thanks mate :). I will keep doing it from ssh remotely then ;)
[06:31] <crimmy> the versioning on that backported 1.0.4 is horrendous
[06:31] <danko123456> I dont have those plugins installed.
[06:31] <jasmuz> DekaPink: seems like the backports mirror is down
[06:31] <bob2> MegaManX: what is handy is to do "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -d upgrade", which downloads all the packages for automatically
[06:31] <danko123456> just a sec, rg58sma.
[06:31] <DekaPink> jasmuz: Oh... So it isn't something stupid I'm doing, then.
[06:31] <bob2> MegaManX: then logging in and doing "sudo apt-get upgrade" manually...the packages are there, so it runs very quickly, plus you see if anything goes wrong
[06:31] <ells> bob2, just trying to hook up my ipod using it
[06:31] <ells> bob2, I reformatted using the apple tool
[06:31] <ells> bob2, want to set it up right in ubuntu
[06:32] <rg58sma> ok
[06:32] <levenhstein> MegaManX, you can look at cron-apt too
[06:32] <kestas> MegaManX: you could always do the cron script, have it output to a text file and if it exits with a nonzero status send you an email with the results
[06:32] <jasmuz> DekaPink: not at all...look for a mirror if you need something urgent or add Marillat's repositories
[06:32] <bob2> MegaManX: er, I mean, to do "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -d upgrade" in cron
[06:32] <Jormundgand> I'd use vanilla Debian if their logo weren't ugly as sin.
[06:32] <Jormundgand> What is it with Debian and ugly logos?
[06:33] <kestas> bob2: doesnt cron run everything with root privs anyway? why use sudo?
[06:33] <crimmy> it's a legal reason, Jormundgand. This is not the first time bob2 and I have said as much.
[06:33] <bob2> kestas: depends if you add it to your or root's crontab
[06:33] <bob2> Jormundgand: dude, stop it
[06:33] <ells> anyone here using gtkpod
[06:33] <athlon> how to test whether my ISP block a certain port number ?
[06:33] <arvin> im trying to follow this step in making a script for WPA (step B) its asking me to make a script but i have no clue how to run or save it or even create it any tips on how to go about setting up WPA using this tutorial? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WPAHowto
[06:33] <bob2> Jormundgand: the firefox people don't let Ubuntu or Debian use the nice logo
[06:33] <jasmuz> Jormundgand: some think debian logo is ber, its a matter of taste
[06:33] <danko123456> rg58sma: I do not think it works in linux, anyone have a working mplayer in mozilla?
[06:33] <bob2> Jormundgand: if you want ubuntu and debian to use it, talk to the firefox people
[06:33] <MegaManX> Thanks guys! very good idea ;). I've tried to add apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to the cron (crontab -e) but it looks like those are invalid commands. Does it have to be an executable script (like update.sh)?
[06:34] <DekaPink> jasmuz: I don't suppose it's urgent, was just trying to install the stuff from the guide. :)
[06:34] <MegaManX> sorry, very new to this, not Linux in general, but never played with cron :)
[06:34] <danko123456>  Jormundgand what is it with you and logos:-p
[06:34] <kestas> bob2: well how are you going to enter your password if its running as a cron script?
[06:34] <levenhstein> MegaManX, you have to give when you want the script to be ran
[06:34] <bob2> kestas: that is a good point
[06:35] <bob2> kestas: I should have said to add it to root's crontab with no use of sudo
[06:35] <bob2> MegaManX: show us the whole crontab line
[06:36] <MegaManX> levenhstein, thanks. I've tried "crobtab -e", it opens an editor, where I added 00 **** apt-get update && apt-get upgrade (I know this is a bad idea now, I'm just showing what I'm trying to accomplish)
[06:36] <bob2> MegaManX: you need spaces betwen the stars
[06:36] <levenhstein> MegaManX, yep you need spaces
[06:36] <kestas> MegaManX: yep. spaces
[06:36] <levenhstein> MegaManX, seriously apt-get install cron-apt
[06:36] <zachary> question: which file systems does ubuntu support
[06:37] <MegaManX> cool, I will give a shot, let me try ;). Thank you all!
[06:37] <danko123456> anyone have a working mozilla-mplayer plugin?
[06:37] <levenhstein> MegaManX, it's all done for you already, just edit some conf files so that it sends email and you can even force it to install the packages (not always a good idea)
[06:37] <bob2> zachary: all the mainstream ones
[06:37] <danko123456> to test something out...
[06:37] <bob2> zachary: if you're going to ask about reiser4, -> #gentoo
[06:38] <MegaManX> levenhstein, thank you, I will apt-get it ;)
[06:38] <Jormundgand> Hmm. Okay, slightly noob-tech question: when you install a program in Linux, what happens? In Windows most of the program is found in the Program Files folder; how does this compare to Linux?
[06:38] <zachary> bob2: i don't have a clue what you are speaking about
[06:38] <bob2> zachary: it supports all the maintstream linux filesystems
[06:38] <bob2> Jormundgand: depends how you install it
[06:38] <Jormundgand> bob2: Assume it's a configure make make install installation.
[06:38] <bob2> Jormundgand: depends where you configure it to install
[06:38] <zachary> bob2: i am in the market for an external harddrive and i want to be able to connect it to a ubuntu box, a winxp/2000 box, and a mac box
[06:38] <bob2> Jormundgand: they usually default to /usr/local/
[06:39] <bob2> zachary: fat32 is your only option then
[06:39] <bob2> zachary: aka vfat in linux
[06:39] <synd> zachary, fat32
[06:39] <Jormundgand> So there's no OS-defined folder where all programs are installed in the same way as Program Files.
[06:39] <zachary> now my question is, is fat32 that bad ?
[06:39] <synd> bob2, does Mac support fat32 ?
[06:39] <bob2> Jormundgand: so libraries go in /usr/local/lib/, binaries ( = programs) go in /usr/local/bin/, documentation in /usr/local/doc/...
[06:39] <bob2> synd: yes
[06:39] <bogues> are there package config files missing in Breezy?...specifically glib
[06:39] <Razor-X> synd: it can read and write from it
[06:39] <synd> bob2, with read and write?
[06:39] <synd> ah
[06:39] <bob2> Jormundgand: no, Unix systems don't normally use a single directory per program
[06:40] <bob2> synd: yes
[06:40] <Jormundgand> Okay.
[06:40] <bob2> bogues: /topic
[06:40] <bob2> Jormundgand: we have packaging systems, so there's no need to do that
[06:40] <bogues> bob2, irrelevant
[06:40] <Jormundgand> Packaging systems open their own can of worms though. :/
[06:40] <bob2> bogues: no, I mean "If you're using breezy, you should know how to a) check if the files are in ubuntu or not (ie http://packages.ubuntu.com) and b) use the bts to check if someone has reported the bug yet or not.
[06:40] <bob2> Jormundgand: how so?
[06:41] <Jormundgand> bob2: The Firefox/Thunderbird logos.
[06:41] <bob2> Jormundgand: why are you so hung up on that?
[06:41] <synd> Jormundgand, thats a licensing issue
[06:41] <bob2> Jormundgand: the firefox people are being very paranoid about their trademark
[06:41] <regeya> who what huh
[06:41] <bob2> Jormundgand: it's not really to do with packaging at all
[06:41] <Jormundgand> I just wonder where the Ubuntu builds of Firefox/Thunderbird fit into this licensing web.
[06:41] <regeya> oh, the reason you don't see firefox logos in systems like ubuntu
[06:42] <synd> Jormundgand, its very easy to change.
[06:42] <regeya> see, the ubuntu packages aren't official firefox packages
[06:42] <Jormundgand> synd: Not in the case of the About box.
[06:42] <bob2> Jormundgand: if I made a tarball that installed to /usr/Program_Files/, but fixed a bug in, Id still not be able to use the official logo
[06:42] <arvin> im trying to follow this step in making a script for WPA (step B) its asking me to make a script but i have no clue how to run or save it or even create it any tips on how to go about setting up WPA using this tutorial? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WPAHowto
[06:42] <synd> Jormundgand, hm?
[06:42] <zachary> thanks bob2 and synd for your answers
[06:42] <bob2> zachary: np, good luck!
[06:42] <synd> zachary, no problem
[06:42] <Jormundgand> synd: Look at the Thunderbird start page, or the About box.
[06:43] <danko123456> bob2: what about this regeya guy, talking nonsense??
[06:43] <bob2> danko123456: he/she is correct
[06:43] <crimmy> that's not nonsense
[06:43] <bob2> danko123456: the ubuntu firefox packages cannot use the firefox logo because they are not "official"
[06:43] <danko123456> ok, didnt get whether it was correct...
[06:43] <bob2> because they are not tarballs and because they fix bugs
[06:43] <regeya> danko123456, ooga booga whump whunt whup!
[06:44] <danko123456> didnt get yuor whole story, I mean, I didnt get if the logos are there,, or not, works out they are not....:)
[06:44] <Nern> hey
[06:44] <Nern> okay i messed up big time
[06:44] <Jormundgand> Then we need to petition the Firefox people to make a deb package available. (P.S. The Firefox RPMs use the official logo. That's not a tarball.)
[06:44] <danko123456> I dont use firefox much+ who cares abotu a logo:) obviously some people...
[06:44] <synd> bob2, would you know how to change the Main Menu icon?
[06:45] <Nern> How can i reinstall grub into the MBR
[06:45] <kestas> Jormundgand: but that wouldnt contain the fixes
[06:45] <kestas> Jormundgand: the firefox in ubuntu is made for ubuntu
[06:45] <bob2> synd: smeg, Amaranths menu editor might be able to do it
[06:45] <bob2> Jormundgand: why do you care so much?
[06:45] <kestas> Nern: probably sudo grub-install /dev/hda
[06:46] <Jormundgand> bob2: Because I like the Firefox and Thunderbird logos - it's like a flag to me.
[06:46] <Nern> kestas, I cant even boot into linux now im stuck booting into windows
[06:46] <levander> There is a disaster backup and restore application for Linux commonly used with Ubuntu? Like Norton Ghost for Windows.
[06:46] <kestas> Nern: well then run the command I gave you
[06:46] <synd> bob2, smeg is amaranth's menu editor?
[06:46] <kestas> Nern: /dev/hda is the root partition
[06:46] <bob2> synd: yes
[06:46] <kestas> of linux
[06:46] <danko123456> anyone wanna know a bad thing that happened to me today? hehe, Ill tell you anyhow...I was installing RAM into a very tightly packaged HP case, and I managed to break the little thing that clips into place when you place the RAM in there...
[06:47] <bob2> levander: you can just use dd for that, but I believe people use things like Amanda and such, to.
[06:47] <kestas> Nern: I mean /dev/hda is the hdd you boot from
[06:47] <Nern> kestas , i cant run the comman, because im in windows right now
[06:47] <bob2> er, too.
[06:47] <bob2> danko123456: ouch
[06:47] <Nern> kestas, yes
[06:47] <kestas> Nern: well then youre going to have to make a grub floppy disk
[06:47] <synd> bob2, just checked it out. not able to change the actual black gnome foot. but can change the other icons within the menu
[06:47] <kestas> Nern: I actually wrote a howto on this
[06:47] <kestas> Nern: Ill find it 1 sec
[06:47] <Nern> kestas, i dont even have a floppy drive
[06:47] <Jormundgand> synd: There's instructions on the forum to change that.
[06:47] <danko123456> bob2: are you my computer mbo?? jj, kinda hard to get that joke, tho...
[06:47] <levander> bob2: wow! dd, wouldn't have guess you could use that for something like that, guess there had to be a reason for that program other than copying hard disk superblocks though
[06:47] <kestas> Nern: hmm I see
[06:47] <Nern> kestas, could i possibly do it from cd?
[06:47] <Jormundgand> And frankly I don't know why it's not done by default. Ubuntu's logo isn't a foot.
[06:48] <synd> Jormundgand, could you point me to it?
[06:48] <kestas> Nern: sure, using knoppix or something you could definently
[06:48] <Nern> kestas, i have a kanotix cd laying here
[06:48] <synd> Jormundgand, its a Gnome thing
[06:48] <bob2> synd: oh, I think that's a compile-time thing :/
[06:48] <kestas> Nern: well Ive never used kanotix, but yeah thatll probably work
[06:48] <Jormundgand> And the Backports project just eradicated the Sarge debs I'd installed for acroread. :)
[06:48] <bob2> danko123456: mbo?
[06:48] <bob2> levander: hah
[06:48] <danko123456> motherboard..
[06:48] <Nern> kestas, would i just run grub-install /dev/hda from one of my live cds then?
[06:48] <kestas> Nern: yup I think so
[06:48] <bob2> danko123456: ah
[06:49] <kestas> if /dev/hda is your hdd you boot fron
[06:49] <kestas> *from
[06:49] <Jormundgand> synd: Search the Tips and Tricks forum for "gnome foot".
[06:49] <Nern> kestas, k ill give it a shot
[06:49] <budhi> hi
[06:49] <Nern> kestas, yes it is
[06:49] <danko123456> acuse you said ouch, and the part of it was broken...:-///////
[06:49] <synd> Jormundgand, i found a howto to to change the Menu Bar (custom menu bar) icon, but I want the Main Menu icon changed instead.
[06:49] <Nern> kestas, ill be back
[06:49] <kestas> k
[06:49] <Jormundgand> Oh. No idea then.
[06:49] <bob2> levander: 'dd if=/dev/hda | nc <IP_ADDRESS> 999' streams your disk across the network
[06:49] <bob2> levander: 'nc -l 999 > ./disk.image' will capture it on the other end
[06:50] <kestas> nc -l 999 | gzip > ./disk.image.gz
[06:50] <bob2> hehe
[06:50] <iceman2K> crud .. looks like i abandon ubuntu ... no way to get openmosix on it ...
[06:51] <kestas> the annoying thing about netcat is that it doesnt tell you when its done
[06:51] <danko123456> yeah, it does not have cluster support, and if that is what you are after, in the short term, perhaps that is what is best to do... iceman2K.
[06:51] <bob2> iceman2K: er, that's kinda silly
[06:51] <levander> bob2: wow, that's some cool old skool unix wizardry
[06:51] <danko123456> I mean, it seems^
[06:51] <[Spooky] > whats openmosix ?
[06:52] <iceman2K> bob2 new to linux ... wonder how well a can set up ubuntu on wifes system and remotly maintain her ..
[06:52] <bob2> iceman2K: with ssh
[06:52] <levander> kestas: shoulda used bzip for that!  higher compression
[06:52] <Jormundgand> I wonder if it's worth the Ubuntu project filing a trademark use request to the Firefox people.
[06:52] <bob2> iceman2K: or X over the network
[06:52] <MegaManX> Thanks for help guys!. It's working great. I've to run, catch you all later ;)
[06:52] <bob2> Jormundgand: that doesn't help
[06:52] <bob2> MegaManX: adios
[06:52] <iceman2K> bob2 just want he away from win98 ... to prone to virus's ... ;) ...
[06:52] <dna`> how to i import gpg keys for apt-get and what are the urls?
[06:52] <levander> bob2: you've never used that to backup and restore a disk have you?
[06:53] <MegaManX> ;)
[06:53] <iceman2K> bob2 want her away from win98
[06:53] <danko1> Jormundgand, I dont think it is, personally, not that my opinion counts...
[06:53] <bob2> levander: you need to boot from a livecd or something, you can't do it live
[06:53] <Johnnyfav> how do you run nautifus?
[06:53] <bob2> levander: I have used it to image a disk before
[06:53] <Johnnyfav> l
[06:53] <RuffianSoldier> hey bob2
[06:53] <bob2> levander: maybe I mixed up the netcat options
[06:53] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: hi
[06:53] <mcquaid> man making debs looks like a real pain
[06:53] <bob2> iceman2K: so, why would you use mosix to do that?
[06:53] <RuffianSoldier> im hooking up a new box tommorow
[06:54] <iceman2K> bob2 wonder how to set up the network .. ?
[06:54] <bob2> iceman2K: networking has nothing to do with mosix.
[06:54] <levander> bob2: yeah, you imaged a disk, but did you actually restore it, *and* use the restored system?
[06:54] <bob2> levander: don't think I did, actually
[06:54] <iceman2K> mosix set the network up ... as cluster nodes ..
[06:54] <bob2> levander: why wouldn't it work?
[06:54] <levander> bob2: you disappoint
[06:54] <danko1> hehe, cluster for a netwerok:)
[06:54] <bob2> er, ok
[06:54] <bob2> iceman2K: that's not what mosix is for
[06:55] <bob2> iceman2K: if you want to remotely admin a machine, you use ssh or X or vnc or ...
[06:55] <Johnnyfav> how do you run nautilus cd burner?
[06:55] <hajiki> i can't seem to find the mysql libaries for php? anyone help?
[06:55] <levander> bob2: no, it would prolly work, there would just be a feeling of true genuine geekiness of actually using a system that you had restored that way
[06:55] <levander> bob2: backing it up just in case isn't the same...
[06:55] <hajiki> i only see one for postgresql
[06:55] <bob2> Johnnyfav: it should pop up a cd burning window when you puy in a blank cd
[06:55] <bob2> hajiki: php4-mysql
[06:55] <bob2> levander: hah, right
[06:55] <levenhstein> hajiki: did you install php5-mysql ?
[06:55] <bob2> levander: I use rsync to backup
[06:55] <iceman2K> bob2 may put her in ubuntu .. but setting up the remote access ... there i'm lost ..
[06:56] <hajiki> php4-mysql is not in my list
[06:56] <levander> bob2: yeah, that's what I do for my oggs
[06:56] <hajiki> don't tell me i need universe for that?
[06:56] <bob2> levander: reinstalling ubuntu is quick enough that backing up / hasn't seem useful yet
[06:56] <Johnnyfav> kewl
[06:56] <Johnnyfav> tanx
[06:56] <bob2> iceman2K: install openssh-server on her machine
[06:56] <levander> there's nothing in linux like XP restore points (that I've unfortunately been playing with all weekend) is there?
[06:56] <danko123456> nautilus burn:/// as well works....
[06:56] <bob2> hajiki: yes, it is in universe
[06:56] <levenhstein> hajiki: pool/universe/p/php4-universe/php4-mysl ...
[06:56] <bob2> levander: there's LVM snapshots
[06:57] <hajiki> great...
[06:57] <danko123456> hey, while you are all here, do you like this sources.list file, altho I think I may know what the answer may look like, www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list for say, general new user usage...
[06:57] <iceman2K> bob2 let me load her the live cd ... of older version of ubuntu ...
[06:58] <cyphase> you don't need an x server running on a machine to be able to SSH in and use graphical applications, right?
[06:58] <danko123456> I am sorry, we cant let you do that...
[06:58] <RuffianSoldier> can I upgrade to breezy badger yet?
[06:58] <bob2> cyphase: right
[06:58] <synd> RuffianSoldier, you can
[06:58] <levenhstein> cyphase: no ssh -X username@host
[06:58] <paulproteus> cyphase: Thats right.
[06:58] <synd> RuffianSoldier, but its not recommended
[06:58] <RuffianSoldier> WOOT
[06:58] <paulproteus> RuffianSoldier: You can.
[06:58] <jsgotangco> RuffianSoldier, not recommended
[06:58] <bob2> cyphase: the X server only needs to run on the machine in front of you
[06:58] <cyphase> k, thanx
[06:58] <RuffianSoldier> i will wait
[06:58] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: please don't
[06:58] <paulproteus> But it's a bad idea. :)
[06:58] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[06:58] <RuffianSoldier> ok
[06:58] <cyphase> k, just making sure
[06:59] <paulproteus> cyphase: You will need basic X utilities installed, as well as X libraries.
[06:59] <paulproteus> xauth in particular.
[06:59] <cyphase> but i can kill the x server
[06:59] <cyphase> it'll be installed, just not running
[06:59] <paulproteus> cyphase: Okay. :)
[07:00] <cyphase> lol
[07:00] <paulproteus> Feel free to do apt-get remove xserver-xorg if it makes you feel l33ter. ;)
[07:00] <cyphase> lol
[07:00] <cyphase> yea
[07:00] <samuel> sup all
[07:01] <danko123456> I feel pretty l33t about my sources.list file...
[07:01] <danko123456> :-p
[07:01] <samuel> anyone know if there is a way to use ethereal without enabling the root account?
[07:01] <paulproteus> danko123456: What, does it just point to localhost?
[07:01] <paulproteus> samuel: sudo ethereal
[07:01] <bob2> danko123456: that's the default with universe and multiverse enabled
[07:01] <bob2> which is fine
[07:01] <samuel> paulproteus, nice.... thanks
[07:01] <bob2> they're not enabled by default, tho, so that people need to concisouly realise what they are
[07:02] <paulproteus> samuel: Sure thing.  sudo is your friend to run arbitrary programs as root.
[07:02] <danko123456> paulproteus: no, cause I posted something about it, and noone answered, and I am an impatient little linux user:)
[07:02] <paulproteus> danko123456: Ah ;)
[07:02] <paulproteus> "Little" I gathered from the number-infested nick ;).
[07:02] <danko123456> bob2: great, that nicely summarizes my thoughts so I can use them better.
[07:02] <dna`> how do i import gpg keys for apt-get packages?
[07:02] <danko123456> paulproteus: you know what, that was the first nick I used ever in IRC(except when I was like 12) and it is cause there is a danko...
[07:03] <samuel> paulproteus, im going to read up on the difference between su and sudo... thanks again!
[07:03] <bob2> dna`: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-key <keyid> ; gpg --export <keyid> | sudo apt-key add -
[07:03] <sjohnson> Question:  Grub won't boot off my windows partition which is on my 2nd SATA controller channel
[07:03] <sjohnson> is it impossible to do this?
[07:03] <paulproteus> samuel: The wiki article should be helpful.
[07:03] <jsgotangco> anyone here configured moin with apache?
[07:03] <bob2> sjohnson: is windows willing to boot off the second disk these days?
[07:03] <sjohnson> i can mount the partition fine, or boot off it if i switch the sata cables around so it thinks windows is the 1st
[07:03] <warty> bob2 well got her system on the live cd ..
[07:03] <dna`> bob2, i wish i know the keyid though :)
[07:03] <bob2> dna`: the apt error message mentions it
[07:04] <samuel> jsgotangco, i have, moin wiki you mean?
[07:05] <jsgotangco> samuel, yeah moin wiki exactly, im just installed it and dont know what to do next
[07:05] <synd> anyone know how to change the gnome foot icon located at the bottom right of my screenshot here -> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/pmartin245/6c004d9c.jpg
[07:05] <synd> bottom left
[07:05] <synd> i mean
[07:05] <soe> <------------lookin 4 indonesian
[07:05] <samuel> jsgotangco, well... i dont exactly remember, im not using it any more, lemme see...
[07:06] <bob2> soe: this isn't a chat channel, sorry
[07:06] <soe> ne beautiful gurl wanna chat with me?
[07:06] <synd> haha.
[07:06] <bob2> soe: sorry, you're in the wrong channel
[07:06] <danko123456> lol...:)
[07:06] <synd> aint gonna find too many girls in the #ubuntu channel : )
[07:07] <bob2> synd: there's no foot on the bottom right of that screenshot
[07:07] <hhurtta> try #ubuntu_is_sexy :)
[07:07] <paulproteus> bob2: Left.  Bottom left.
[07:07] <synd> bob2, i correct myself : p
[07:07] <bob2> oh, duh me
[07:07] <warty> cool ubuntu likes her sound and video ...
[07:07] <kakalto> lol, hhurtta
[07:07] <samuel> jsgotangco, http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnInstalling
[07:07] <synd> corrected(
[07:08] <jsgotangco> samuel, thanks
[07:08] <gibbie> any XFCE4 users know how to get the taskbar back at the bottom of the screen?  Mine somehow dissapeared.
[07:08] <dna`> bob2, keyid 1F41B907, thanks it worked :]
[07:08] <samuel> jsgotangco, thats quite an easy one to install, you shouldnt have problems
[07:08] <bob2> dna`: np
[07:08] <levander> bob2: you back up your whole system? or just your user data with rsync?
[07:08] <jsgotangco> samuel, im using ubuntu repos
[07:09] <bob2> levander: /etc, /home and 'dpkg --get-selections'
[07:09] <dna`> now if someone who uses universe and multiverse can email me his sources.list :(
[07:09] <bob2> dna`: read /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:09] <levander> bob2: wow! you are full of useful tips! i didn't even know about dpkg --get-selections
[07:09] <bob2> dna`: it explains how to enable them
[07:09] <dna`> bob2, mine is damaged
[07:10] <bob2> levander: hah, it is handy
[07:10] <levander> bob2: you think you could restore a system just from those three things?
[07:10] <bob2> dna`: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[07:10] <bob2> levander: the bits I care about, yeah
[07:10] <bob2> levander: (have done so in the past)
[07:10] <dna`> bob2, thats the only line i need?
[07:10] <levander> bob2: i'm trying to think, can't think of anything important not in those three....
[07:10] <Lestat_> wenaz
[07:11] <bob2> dna`: yes
[07:11] <bob2> levander: sometimes I wish I'd backed up /var
[07:11] <dna`> bob2, i love you
[07:11] <Lestat_> how could i use LILO instead of Grub???
[07:11] <levander> bob2: when you backed up /etc, you were able to do a flat restore of /etc?  Just a restore, didn't have to go in and tweak things?
[07:12] <samuel> bob2, do you still use debian?
[07:12] <bob2> Lestat_: why?
[07:12] <levander> bob2: yeah, i know /var's got my mysql db's and subversion repositories
[07:12] <bob2> samuel: yes
[07:12] <Lestat_> bevause i prefer lilo..
[07:12] <paulproteus> samuel: I do, too, and I've spotted him on #debian. :)
[07:12] <samuel> paulproteus, i do miss debian...
[07:12] <bob2> levander: I tend to just re-install, and copy the few config files that matter (basically just postfix and tinc's) over.
[07:13] <paulproteus> samuel: Hmm?  Did it go away somewhere?
[07:13] <paulproteus> Or perhaps stop dating you?
[07:13] <samuel> hahahaha
[07:13] <danko123456> Ive spotted me even on #debian:)
[07:14] <levander> bob2: yeah, my plan for restoring /etc is I use an svk repository to store history (versions).  If I ever have to do a restore "sudo svk log /etc", then i'll just look through the log looking at diffs and comments I made about what I changed
[07:14] <dna`> is there a bot in here like dpkg of #debian ?
[07:14] <synd> there should be a bot in here named apt-get
[07:14] <levander> bob2: of course first i need to figure out how to mirror my svk repository into svn, so that when I back up svn repostitories... etc.
[07:14] <rics> hi
[07:14] <nicedreams> Can I do desktop sharing with TightVNC server to share my fluxbox desktop and access it from my windows box?
[07:14] <bob2> dna`: ubotu
[07:15] <anathema> hey bob2
[07:15] <dna`> word
[07:15] <bob2> nicedreams: yeah
[07:15] <bob2> anathema: hi
[07:15] <anathema> isnt there a way to alter the grub config to make windows think its the first drive
[07:15] <danko123456> !ubotu
[07:15] <bob2> levander: heh
[07:15] <ubotu> danko123456: Bugger all, i dunno
[07:15] <danko123456> nice:)
[07:15] <anathema> 0x80 or somethign
[07:15] <anathema> any idea?
[07:15] <danko123456> I never knew this...
[07:15] <levander> so bob2, what's your tip for an IRC client?
[07:15] <danko123456> !hi
[07:15] <nicedreams> bob2, can you please tell me how?  I've been googling for hours trying to figure it out
[07:15] <ubotu> hello, danko123456
[07:15] <bob2> levander: yeah, I tried keeping /etc/ in arch, but I was too lazy to commit everything I did
[07:15] <bob2> levander: irssi-text to the max.
[07:15] <danko123456> yes!
[07:15] <danko123456> !restrictedformats
[07:15] <ubotu> danko123456: I give up, what is it?
[07:15] <danko123456> ok, sorry, just testing
[07:15] <bob2> nicedreams: I've never used vnc, sorry
[07:15] <synd> !help
[07:15] <anathema> any idea bob2 ?
[07:16] <synd> !where can i find google
[07:16] <ubotu> synd: I don't know, could you explain it?
[07:16] <kakalto> lol
[07:16] <levander> bob2: it's not that bad after you get used to it.  svk searches the file system for files added, and will auto-add them to the repository (when you tell it to).  that makes it a lot easier.  svn doesn't do that.
[07:16] <bob2> anathema: I'm pretty sure altering the grub config would not be enough, windows will do it's own device probing long after grub exists
[07:16] <synd> !status
[07:16] <bob2> see, this is why I was anti-bot
[07:16] <levander> bob2: i'm trying erc (emacs irc client), i'm liking it pretty good
[07:16] <bob2> levander: ah, yeah
[07:16] <synd> !seen zevin
[07:17] <ubotu> i haven't seen 'zevin', synd
[07:17] <anathema> thats not the issue though is it ? in lilo it worked if you changed your lilo config to 'simulate' the face that the drive was 0x80..ie, first drive
[07:17] <bob2> levander: I tried that, but I use emacs21, so I couldn't keep my irc client always on in screen
[07:17] <bob2> anathema: wow, that worked?
[07:17] <synd> !seen nalioth
[07:17] <anathema> in lilo it used to
[07:17] <bob2> anathema: then grub mappings would probably work, too
[07:17] <bob2> synd: please use /msg
[07:17] <anathema> ok, where do i look on how to do that in grub
[07:17] <anathema> man grub doesnt say shit
[07:17] <synd> bob2, k
[07:17] <levander> bob2: don't know what you're talking about, i'm using emacs21 and erc right now
[07:17] <bob2> anathema: /boot/grub/devices.map or so
[07:18] <danko123456> bob2: sorry, its hjust new to us...
[07:18] <danko123456> well use it wisely, I promise myself...
[07:18] <levander> bob2: oh, don't use the screen program, so wouldn't know about that problem
[07:18] <bob2> levander: I keep my irc client running inside GNU Screen all the time
[07:18] <bob2> levander: right
[07:18] <danko123456> let us teach it to be polite, tho, not like dpkg...can we read about it somewhere, bob2?
[07:18] <levander> bob2: why? for logging?
[07:18] <anathema> the devices.map changes what grub thinks hd0 and stuff is
[07:18] <bob2> levander: yeah
[07:18] <anathema> but when you boot the bios gives each drive a hex #
[07:19] <anathema> 0x80 beeing the first, 0x81 second etc
[07:19] <anathema> in lilo the command used was bios=0x80
[07:19] <anathema> just wondering how to do this in grub
[07:20] <bob2> danko123456: the website is http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/, but I don't know of any documentation for it
[07:21] <iceman2K> anyone know the minimun system for ubunto
[07:21] <iceman2K> ubuntu
[07:21] <bob2> danko123456: at it's simplest, '/msg ubotu foo is bar' tells it to store "bar" as the data for the key "foo", so "ubotu: foo" in the channel will print bar.
[07:21] <synd> iceman2K, 128MB RAM
[07:21] <danko123456> bob2: can we teach it, does the site say that?
[07:21] <anathema> and using map in lilo etc
[07:21] <danko123456> aha
[07:21] <levander> is so funny how some channels on freenode, ppl go in there just to put down ppl, can't believe yall were saying #debian has a bot they've programmed to be rude
[07:21] <bob2> iceman2K: depends what you want to do
[07:21] <synd> iceman2K, it can be lower but i dont think its usable
[07:21] <danko123456> Ill try later, save your post.
[07:22] <SJChung> iceman2K, do you mean minimun install?
[07:22] <danko123456> if you can understand my lazy translation of my thoughts into sentences,.
[07:22] <levander> #ubuntu and ubuntuforums is actually reason i stuck with ubuntu after initial trial, better support on this distro
[07:22] <iceman2K> bob2 got a old old 486/100 maybe 64 meg ram .. like to put it up for my kids ..
[07:22] <Madpilot> quick Ubuntu & hardware question: anyone ever had trouble setting up a CDDVD burner?
[07:22] <bob2> iceman2K: gnome will be extramely painful
[07:22] <synd> iceman2K, xfce or fluxbox
[07:22] <levander> Madpilot: with linux kernel 2.6, shouldn't be much to it
[07:22] <bob2> iceman2K: fluxbox will be ok, but things like firefox and openoffice will crawl
[07:23] <danko123456> levander: I dont understand your point about my statement...
[07:23] <Madpilot> levander: thnx, don't have a burner now, know zip about them, but there's a sale on nice Pioneer ones...
[07:23] <synd> iceman2K, you ought to look at damn small linux for a system like that..
[07:23] <levander> danko123456: what point?
[07:23] <iceman2K> bob2 even a old distro would be ok ... ? looking at linuxiso.org for 386 distros ..
[07:23] <Quest-Master> iceman2K: I'd recommend a lightweight desktop overall.. XFCE as DE, Dillo as web browser, AbiWord for word processing, etc etc.
[07:23] <danko123456> I have a question for bob2 about it, tho, when he is less bombarded with questions.
[07:23] <DekaPink> Are there any good places to get gnome themes?
[07:23] <levander> Madpilot: i'd give it a try, worked painlessly for me, and graveman is a nice gui burning tool
[07:23] <danko123456> levander: is so funny how some channels on freenode, ppl go in there just to put down ppl, can't believe yall were saying #debian has a bot they've programmed to be rude
[07:23] <Quest-Master> DekaPink: http://www.gnome-look.org
[07:23] <synd> DekaPink, www.gnome-look.org
[07:23] <bob2> Madpilot: so, a little story: I decided to buy an external dvd writer a few weeks ago, and did no research.  so I got home, and plugged it into my ubuntu laptop and tried to use cdrecord.  no luck.  tried to use dvdrecord.  no luck.  inserted a blank dvd, and nautilus popped up a window.  dragged some files to it.  selected "write to disk, and got a burnt dvd.
[07:24] <DekaPink> Quest-Master, synd: Thank you. :D
[07:24] <bob2> iceman2K: that doesn't matter
[07:24] <Quest-Master> DekaPink: no problem. :)
[07:24] <levander> danko123456: what don't you understand about that?
[07:24] <danko123456> please rephrase
[07:24] <levander> danko123456: oh!
[07:24] <Madpilot> bob2: heh... so, when it arrives I'll try Nautilus first! :)
[07:24] <levander> danko123456: i was talking about couldn't believe #debian channel, not couldn't believe you, sorry
[07:24] <iceman2K> bob2 how about a celeron 333 ... maybe 128 meg ram ?
[07:24] <DekaPink> :D
[07:25] <danko123456> nono, I know, please explain all points made there. pm if you want...
[07:25] <bob2> iceman2K: firefox and openoffice will be ok on that, fluxbos will fly
[07:25] <iceman2K> bob2 have to build it from a scratch mb i got laying aroung
[07:25] <crimmy> iceman2K: the amount of ram is really the critical point. 128 is fine.
[07:25] <Madpilot> levander: thnx, off to load down my Visa card... ;)
[07:25] <DekaPink> I hope nobody minds my cluelessness... I just got on Ubuntu.
[07:25] <synd> iceman2K, stick with fluxbox and xfce
[07:25] <synd> i dont like gnome unless its on a 256MB, really 512 or better
[07:25] <levander> Madpilot: the command line cdrecord takes maybe an hour or a little more to figure out, graveman, nautilus did it by just guessing what a couple of buttons do
[07:26] <danko123456> crimmy: 128 fine, hey? I had 64 earlier(was hoping for a sum of 192 till I brokeone of the slots:)  and now it is 128, but still exactly same speed...
[07:26] <levander> Madpilot: ttat's prolly money wisely spent, cd burners come in handy
[07:26] <danko123456> art.gnome.org too DekaPink noone minds.
[07:26] <iceman2K> humm whats minimul harddrive ? i wonder ..
[07:26] <Madpilot> levander: guessing on a GUI is my style too! command lines are... meh... best avoided when possible...
[07:27] <synd> danko123456, theres not much noticeable difference bwteeen 128 and 192
[07:27] <bob2> iceman2K: the default install takes 1.8GB
[07:27] <JDahl_> iceman2K, I would think you need atleast 2Gb
[07:27] <iceman2K> bob2 1.8 gig ... wow .. that include swap ..
[07:27] <danko123456> levander: nono, I know, please explain all points made in that statement, I know it was not against me, I just want to know what you mean, so I can talk to you about it, interesting topic to me. pm if you want...
[07:27] <danko123456> synd, you are just trying to make me feel better:)
[07:28] <synd> danko123456, : D
[07:28] <JDahl_> iceman2K, I had a 4GB partition set aside for it on my laptop, and I dont have enough space for large dist-upgrades
[07:28] <Lestat_> danko123456 levander: nono, I know, please explain all points made in that statement, I know it was not against me, I just want to know what you mean, so I can talk to you about it, interesting topic to me. pm if you want...<--- what are ayou waitingfor???
[07:28] <bob2> iceman2K: no
[07:28] <iceman2K> no looking to upgrade .. just a systems a 7 and 5 year old can start playing with ...
[07:29] <levander> did those two pms i send just work or did whole channel see those?
[07:29] <danko123456> Lestat_: now I cant understand you...
[07:29] <synd> iceman2K, ive got an old athlon 1.3 ghz box i can give you : )
[07:29] <thakat> Hello.  How is everyone tonight?
[07:29] <levander> Madpilot: command lines are better when you're using the same command over and over and over, i think
[07:29] <danko123456> worked fine, levander.
[07:29] <danko123456> thakat: I am fine, thanks.
[07:30] <levander> Madpilot: its worth figuring out a command line for something you want to do that commonly.  Burning a disc is only occasional
[07:30] <iceman2K> synd ... i'd take it for the kids ... wife system is a 1.1 celeron ..
[07:30] <synd> iceman2K, it stripped it down before i found out about ubuntu or linux for that matter. i deemed it "unusable"
[07:30] <iceman2K> i'm on a p 4  2.8
[07:30] <Lestat_> well this is because... i meant nothing.. and i think that the other guy was only joken.. hedoesnt have any point of view.. danko123456
[07:30] <iceman2K> synd ... whare you live ?
[07:30] <levander> danko123456: why was that statement I made so interesting?
[07:30] <synd> iceman2K, kentucky
[07:30] <danko123456> haha, Lestat_random intrustion, then:-p
[07:30] <danko123456> levander: did you get my replies, tho?
[07:31] <thakat> I'm sure this question has been asked a lot, but could someone pm me with a way to get the DVD player working?  A friend and I are both having the same prob.
[07:31] <levander> danko123456: no, i'm in a new irc client....
[07:31] <danko123456> cause I am personally interested in why #debian is as is....
[07:31] <iceman2K> synd little far ... build a bare system for some kids ... and donate it to them
[07:31] <Lestat_> danko123456 jajajaj and we start again..
[07:31] <bob2> thakat: you need to explain what isn't working
[07:31] <synd> iceman2K, ive got two old towers sitting here..
[07:31] <bob2> thakat: e.g. can you mount dvds?  can you play unencrypted ones?
[07:31] <anathema> ok bob..found the thing in grub
[07:31] <Madpilot> levander: true enough WRT command lines...
[07:31] <levander> anybody know if emacs erc supports private messages?
[07:31] <synd> iceman2K, a celeron 600 and an athlon 1.3, the athlon has DDR
[07:32] <anathema> bob2: map (0x81) (0x80) map (0x80) (0x81)
[07:32] <bob2> anathema: neat
[07:32] <anathema> the map commands beeing on their own line
[07:32] <anathema> think that will work ?
[07:32] <anathema> haha
[07:32] <iceman2K> synd add small harddrives ... and donate them to some kids ... some kids never see a pc ... which sucks ..
[07:32] <synd> iceman2K, thats a good idea.
[07:32] <levander> danko123456: #debian's prolly just like that cause communities develop personalities.
[07:32] <Lestat_> iceman2K synd add small harddrives ... and donate them to some kids ... some kids never see a pc ... which sucks ..<-------------jajajajajaj
[07:32] <synd> iceman2K, introduce them to Ubuntu
[07:33] <danko123456> levander: I have a more developed theory, thanks.
[07:33] <synd> :x
[07:33] <levander> danko123456: think that's more of a sociological / human behavior question than anything else
[07:33] <DekaPink> Where's the skin folder for XMMS? :3
[07:33] <synd> Lestat_, ?
[07:33] <bob2> thakat: please don't /msg people
[07:33] <iceman2K> synd ... knew a pc shop in colorado.. they took in used unwanted systems .. got them working and raffelled them to kids in schools ...
[07:33] <bob2> DekaPink: ~/.xmms/Skins/
[07:33] <Nern> okay
[07:33] <Lestat_> nothing.. im only reading and laughing synd
[07:33] <Nern> i need help
[07:33] <synd> iceman2K, oh, wow
[07:33] <Nern> i have overwritten grub in the mbr
[07:33] <danko123456> Lestat_: you should stick with nodding and smiling:-p
[07:33] <Nern> and i need to get it reinstalled
[07:34] <bob2> Nern: how did that happen?
[07:34] <thakat> ok
[07:34] <danko123456> he instaklled windows over ubuntu
[07:34] <bob2> thakat: please don't /msg people
[07:34] <Lestat_> isn ti?
[07:34] <levander> danko123456: it's an old stereotype with some of the computer geeks, usually applied to dba's, that people don't like explaining stuff to everybody
[07:34] <levander> danko123456: that's what I think of when in ##java and #php
[07:34] <iceman2K> synd was cool ... yea install ubuntu and offer them to a school as raffel to needy kids ...
[07:34] <Nern> bob2: I was going to install FreeBSD on a different partition, but the installation failed, but it had already overwritten the mbr
[07:34] <danko123456> levander: it is deeper than that on #debian... but, I dont wanna go into it more now, I have to wait till issues get sorted out.
[07:34] <kestas> Nern: what happened when you tried to do grub-install /dev/hda?
[07:35] <bob2> Nern: get an ubuntu livecd
[07:35] <Lestat_> iceman2K synd was cool ... yea install ubuntu and offer them to a school as raffel to needy kids ...<-------it isnt a bad idea..
[07:35] <Nern> kestas: when i tried grub-install /dev/hda it said that the drive was read only
[07:35] <kestas> use the spare machine as an openbsd syslog machine
[07:35] <Nern> bob2: yeah thats what i was thinking
[07:36] <kestas> Nern: then you were probably trying to install it to the cd
[07:36] <iceman2K> Lestat_ good thing ideas alone cant be copyrighted ...
[07:36] <rj`> anyone awake?
[07:36] <kestas> Nern: did you try /dev/hdb, hdc, and hdd?
[07:36] <bob2> Nern: you can use the ubuntu install cd, too
[07:36] <bob2> rj`: you can see tht people are talking in here...
[07:36] <rj`> i'am trying to configure ftp -- can anyone try to ftp to ftp.dawnshosting.com and see if it connects to proftpd
[07:36] <danko123456> Lestat_: we see all this text you paste in, if you use nickName: and just the part after the arrow, we will, and the nickName, know what you are talking about.
[07:36] <Nern> bob2: yeah i tried to do it with the ubuntu cd it wouldnt work
[07:36] <Lestat_> yeah.. but i coudnt see the copyright mark on your sentense iceman2K
[07:36] <rj`> wrong channel bob2 :(
[07:36] <dle> Hello.  I'm looking for info re a kernel panic on my hoary machine.  the kernel that panic'd on a reboot is 2.6.10-5-386.  It went as http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-May/033508.html on subs. hoary for breezy.  Has anyone else experienced this? Do you know what the problem is?
[07:37] <bob2> Nern: it will work
[07:37] <kestas> rj` not getting anything
[07:37] <Nern> bob2: what steps should i take
[07:37] <bob2> Nern: you need to walk through the install until you get to the partitioning stage
[07:37] <iceman2K> Lestat_ not that ... just my following a pc shops good intent
[07:37] <Nern> bob2: k
[07:37] <danko123456> rj`: yes it works.
[07:37] <kestas> Nern: it shouldnt say /dev/hda is read only
[07:37] <kestas> /dev/hda must be the CD
[07:37] <bob2> Nern: then hit "alt-f2" to get a terminal, then run "chroot /target", the run "grub-install /dev/hda"
[07:37] <Lestat_> ja.. ok...
[07:37] <kestas> bob2: thats what he just did
[07:37] <rj`> see it works for some and not for others :(
[07:37] <bob2> Nern: assuming /dev/hda is the first hard drive.  if it's scsi or sata, use /dev/sda
[07:37] <danko123456> rj`: http://pastebin.com/292502
[07:37] <bob2> rj`: you're behind a "firewall"?
[07:38] <kestas> rj` I can connect
[07:38] <rj`> bob2: a smootwall firewall
[07:38] <dle> also as in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=136488 .  If anyone's following. :)
[07:38] <rj`> kestas: cool thanks
[07:38] <bob2> rj`: then fix it
[07:39] <Nern> bob2: ok ill give that a shot
[07:39] <iceman2K> lol ... could install beowulf linux on the 486 ... lol
[07:39] <kestas> Nern: fyi thats what you just did, using a ubuntu CD makes no diff
[07:40] <nbk> hi, are there any good (i.e. working) repositiries for all of the win32 codecs and such
[07:40] <bob2> nbk: just get the .deb from christian marillat's archive
[07:41] <jorgp_> bob2: location of that archive?
[07:42] <bob2> debian.video.free.fr or something
[07:42] <anathema> bob2, just to let you know, that map command worked
[07:42] <bob2> anathema: rock
[07:42] <anathema> ive got an email a mile long to email to ubuntuguide :D
[07:43] <anathema> such as making a .deb from the java, this windows thing..1 million others
[07:43] <anathema> hehe
[07:44] <danko123456> bob2: what is the package called, w32codecs?
[07:44] <bob2> yes
[07:44] <danko123456> ok, follow-up:) how do you find out if that package is installed if you cant apt-cache search for it?
[07:44] <bob2> dpkg -l blah
[07:45] <bob2> if the first two letters are ii, it's installed
[07:45] <danko123456> thank you as always...
[07:45] <Lestat_> how coul i turn on the root acount on my ubuntu system???
[07:45] <danko123456> ok, it is, I thought it would be...
[07:45] <Tezkah> does anyone else use GNUooglinux
[07:45] <bob2> Lestat_: why?
[07:46] <bob2> Lestat_: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[07:46] <danko123456> Tezkah: google does not know of that.
[07:46] <Tezkah> its the Google Linux distro!
[07:46] <Tezkah> its just in double secret beta
[07:46] <bob2> #conspiracy-theories, please
[07:46] <danko123456> I heard of that...meh...
[07:46] <Tezkah> comes standard with the Google Browser
[07:47] <nbk> bob2: should I use the woody wource?
[07:47] <nbk> source
[07:47] <bob2> nbk: doesn't matter
[07:47] <danko123456> bob2: quiet enough now for a fairly non-Ubuntu related question, but I think a good question for you...
[07:47] <nbk> thx
[07:47] <danko123456> ? should be at the end...
[07:48] <bob2> heh
[07:48] <danko123456> ok. well, pretty long answer too...
[07:48] <danko123456> :-/
[07:48] <bob2> that was an implied "what is your question?"
[07:49] <danko123456> ok,... the question is...tell me a summary of your opinion of #debian.
[07:49] <danko123456> see that is very open...
[07:49] <Lestat_> im gonna get back to knoppix..
[07:50] <bob2> Lestat_: how come?
[07:50] <kakalto> knoppix wouldn't boot on my computer :((
[07:50] <bob2> danko123456: it would be long, rambling and unpopular
[07:50] <Lestat_> am reinstalling it..
[07:50] <danko123456> well, I erad pastebins, and other forms of text, I really am interested in your opinion.
[07:50] <danko123456> anagram it, dont make me type:)
[07:50] <iceman2K> knoppix is ok.. seems that ubuntu is a little better .. and easier to work with ..
[07:51] <bob2> danko123456: /msg?
[07:51] <danko123456> off course, I have no objetion to those ever.
[07:51] <danko123456> Lestat_: he meant why are you leaving Ubuntu...
[07:51] <Lestat_> a ok..
[07:52] <k4rp0r> does anyone know is there a winmx for linux?
[07:52] <Lestat_> m well i cant adapt me to this..
[07:52] <kakalto> because of GNOME?
[07:52] <kakalto> or just the whole hting?
[07:52] <kakalto> *thing
[07:52] <nbk> bob2: so can I pretty much use any debian source without probs?
[07:52] <[Spooky] > k4rp0r: you mean the p2p program ?
[07:53] <[Spooky] > k4rp0r: no pm...
[07:53] <bob2> nbk: no, you shouldn't use any
[07:53] <bob2> nbk: for that single package (w32codecs), it doesn't matter
[07:54] <k4rp0r> Spooky:yes p2p, could u tell me the command to get it
[07:54] <nbk> bob2: ok just making sure, later
[07:54] <danko123456> winmx does not exist.
[07:54] <danko123456> what technology does it work on, gnutella?
[07:55] <ilba7r> i was wondering where to install windows fonts like Times?
[07:55] <[Spooky] > k4rp0r: look at their homepage, and if its not for Linux, the try use it with Wine
[07:55] <Shuddertrix> DekaPink: drag and drop the tar files the gnome themes come in on the Themes preferences panel.. don't know the exact menu link, sorry, i'm in kde
[07:55] <k4rp0r> Spooky:ok
[07:55] <bob2> ilba7r: install the msttcorefonts package and you'll get it automatically
[07:56] <Shuddertrix> ilba7r: sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[07:56] <danko123456> ilba7r: enable multiverse, sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[07:56] <[Spooky] > danko1: problaby Kaaza :)
[07:56] <ilba7r> thanx bob 2 aand shudd and adanko
[07:56] <danko123456> nice. I win.
[07:56] <stormie`> anyone here rite now ?
[07:56] <danko123456> hey, sorry aboiut the nick thing, guys.
[07:56] <stormie`> i need some help .. of the usb modem .
[07:56] <Shuddertrix> danko123456: nobody wins.
[07:56] <ilba7r> thanks all se ya
[07:56] <danko123456> well, I am joiking, though:)
[07:57] <stormie`> aztech turbo 100 works on ubuntu ??
[07:57] <danko123456> [Spooky] : why would you recommend that solution:)
[07:57] <danko123456> I would recommend like, installing alinux program that does the same thing.
[07:57] <[Spooky] > danko123456: because i dunno what protocol it uses...
[07:57] <DekaPink> Shuddertrix: Thank you. :D
[07:58] <danko123456> aha, yeah...
[08:00] <SJChung> hi, I've install python-nautilus and I run /usr/share/doc/python-nautilus/examples/background-image.py  but "ImportError: No module named nautilus"  ...Does anyone have the same problem?
[08:00] <danko123456> stormie`: tried google?
[08:00] <Shuddertrix> it
[08:00] <WX> anyone here willing to help me get mod_perl running on apache2?
[08:00] <WX> i've gotten it installed and loaded
[08:01] <WX> just can't get it to work on a site
[08:01] <stormie`> danko123456 : yep .. some says " yes " some says " no "
[08:01] <WX> a VirtualHost site
[08:01] <levander> to completely copy a CD, should I just be able to drag and drop the contents or the source CD from one nautilus window to another window representing the blank CD?  Or, is there extra, hidden stuff on the CD?
[08:01] <danko123456> stormie`: how about: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ptopic43004.html ?
[08:01] <danko123456> levander: what kind of cd?
[08:01] <stormie`> hold on
[08:02] <danko123456> k, Ill be here, not that I know how to help with your issue:)
[08:02] <levander> like I wanna make copies of my XP Corporate install CD, so that multiple people can use it to install on workstations at work?  should the above method work to copy it?
[08:02] <[Spooky] > stormie`: did you like what you got ? :)
[08:02] <stormie`> [Spooky]  : don understand !
[08:02] <levander> and, of course we have a corporate license, so it would be legal
[08:02] <[Spooky] > stormie`: the ctcp version you did on me...
[08:02] <stormie`> danko123456 : i din install my driver yet ... i'm still finding for a driver installer
[08:03] <stormie`> [Spooky]  : oh , sorry .. i just check on it .. can it help me or not . ?
[08:03] <JDahl_> WX, I dont know how much help this, but check two things: that perl scripts are allowed in your current directory (e.g., AllowOverride=True and .htaccess), and also check Mime-types, so that perl is recognized as a script
[08:04] <WX> how do i setup the mime-type?
[08:04] <dell500> does anyone here know if the fglrx driver works off the xorg.conf or the XF86Config-4??
[08:05] <JDahl_> WX, /etc/mime*, but normally you shouldnt have to change that.. it's more likely that perl scripts aren't allowed in the current directory
[08:05] <dell500> i'm in hoary and i'm using xorg
[08:05] <crimmy> dell500: then it'll use the former
[08:05] <dell500> k
[08:05] <dell500> so does that mean i should copy all the ATI flgrx stuff over to the xorg??
[08:06] <crimmy> fresh install or dist-upgrade?
[08:06] <dle> levander: I don't think that'll work.  I tried with an ISO and ended up with a CD containing the ISO file.
[08:07] <dell500> crimmy, dist-upgrade
[08:07] <dle> dell500: the ATi flgrx stuff is a headache. :)
[08:07] <dell500> i know, but i was so close last time i messed with it
[08:07] <crimmy> dell500: if you dist-upgrade, the fglrx settings should be preserved
[08:07] <dell500> i had 3d accel working, but the gui for messing wit hthe res wasn't working
[08:07] <dle> dell500: please keep notes and post them somewhere. :)
[08:07] <WX> anyone here have mod_perl working with apache2?
[08:07] <dell500> might work this time
[08:08] <dell500> crimmy, koo
[08:08] <Madpilot>  is there any way to turn the system sound volume down? I can turn it on and off, but I want it on but *quieter*...
[08:09] <levander> dle: lol, i'm not going to drag the iso itself, but I'll open a source CD with nautilus, and drag all the files on the CD to a nautilu window representing the blank CD
[08:09] <dell500> just changed the driver from "ati" to "fglrx" last time i did this, it messed up
[08:09] <dell500> time for a reboot, gonna try again :)
[08:10] <dle> levander: Hrm.  I plead ignorance, I don't know whether that'll work.
[08:10] <creyton> im having a error pop up everytime i log onto ubuntu this is what it says: Could not look up internet address for ubuntu.
[08:10] <creyton> This will prevent GNOME from operating correctly.
[08:10] <creyton> It may be possible to correct the problem by adding ubuntu to the file /etc/hosts.
[08:11] <bob2> creyton: someone hosed /etc/hosts
[08:11] <creyton> what am i supposed to do
[08:11] <bob2> creyton: the first line should say: <IP_ADDRESS> localhost.localdomain localhost ubuntu
[08:11] <creyton> i cant to seem to find the folder
[08:11] <creyton> in etc
[08:11] <bob2> creyton: it's a file
[08:11] <bob2> if you don't have /etc/hosts, something is very very wron
[08:12] <creyton> i dont have it....
[08:12] <Nern> yeah that didnt work
[08:12] <creyton> all i have is Hal then hotplug theres not hosts
[08:13] <jacquesmerde> why does ubuntu let me put cds INTO my drives, but not take them OUT of the drives? greedy ubuntu!
[08:13] <creyton> ok nevermind
[08:13] <creyton> i found it
[08:13] <creyton> what am i supposed to do with the file
[08:13] <Nern> jacquesmerde: you have do eject the cds from the icon on the desktop
[08:13] <bob2> creyton: I told you
[08:13] <bob2> 16:11:27           bob2 | creyton: the first line should say: <IP_ADDRESS> localhost.localdomain localhost ubuntu
[08:13] <dell500> alrighty, so now my screen is kinda wierd
[08:13] <dle> dell500: wierd how?
[08:14] <Nern> jacquesmerde: this isto prevent you from accidently ejecting it
[08:14] <creyton> ok thanks alot bob
[08:14] <jacquesmerde> Nern, that doesnt work
[08:14] <Nern> jacquesmerde: right clicking and telling it to eject doesnt work?
[08:14] <bob2> creyton: I'd be looking at why you don't have one, though
[08:14] <dell500> dle, um... well there is a big fat line in the middle of the screen, which shows the left part of my screen that is cut off
[08:14] <dell500> make sense?
[08:14] <bob2> maybe the disk is failing
[08:14] <jacquesmerde> Nern, eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
[08:14] <dle> dell500: I know what you mean, yeah.
[08:15] <creyton> i think i accidentally deleted it when i was configuring my networks
[08:15] <jacquesmerde> Nern, thats the error i get when i right click on the desktop icon and click eject
[08:15] <dell500> dle, any ideas on how to fix?
[08:15] <Nern> jacquesmerde: strange... i dont know what to say
[08:15] <creyton> bob2, anyways i cant get sudo -s to work so i can edit the file any suggestions?
[08:15] <levander> dle: looked into it more, won't work, won't make the CD bootable
[08:15] <bob2> lord
[08:15] <jacquesmerde> Nern, how about offering some condolences
[08:15] <bob2> creyton: reboot, select "recovery" from the grub menu
[08:15] <Madpilot> jacquesmerde: open a terminal... type "sudo eject" then your p/w... it's a hack, but it works...
[08:15] <bob2> then fix it
[08:15] <creyton> bob2, sorry im new at this
[08:15] <bob2> then reboot again
[08:15] <creyton> ok got it
[08:16] <bob2> creyton: I understand, just try to be more careful :)
[08:16] <creyton> thanks sorry if i bothered u, im a total newb
[08:16] <dle> dell500: No, but there's a  #ati channel ,where someone spent a lot of time w/ me a couple weeks ago.
[08:16] <Madpilot> jacquesmerde: I've had the same prob w/ a few of my audio CDs
[08:16] <creyton> bob2, im tryng...ive spent 3-4 hours trying to figure out wpa for my network
[08:16] <creyton> nothing has worked
[08:16] <jacquesmerde> Madpilot, it worked! (though got the same error again). this is a problem with mounting and umounting, yeah?
[08:16] <dell500> kool
[08:16] <dell500> thanks
[08:16] <creyton> and ive tried asking here but no one has a solution
[08:17] <Nern> im having some serious problems with this grub thing
[08:17] <creyton> i tried the wiki how tos and went thru almost all the forums regarding setting up wpa
[08:17] <kestas> what problems?
[08:17] <Nern> i cant reinstall it into the MBR
[08:17] <jacquesmerde> Madpilot, any idea when the bug will be fixed? (its never happened to me with these cds and drives on other distros
[08:17] <Nern> kestas yer right it didnt work from the ubuntu cd
[08:17] <kestas> Nern: why whats the error?
[08:17] <Nern> kestas, couldnt find the command
[08:18] <Madpilot> jacquesmerde: that's the extent of my knowlege of this bug, sorry! it *is* a known problem, though.
[08:18] <Nern> kestas, grub-install
[08:18] <kestas> .. go back to whichever cd you used it from first, and it said /dev/hda is read only
[08:18] <bob2> Nern: after you chroot'd?
[08:18] <kestas> and instead of /dev/hda
[08:18] <kestas> to /dev/hdb /dev/hdc /dev/hdd
[08:18] <bob2> Nern: is it a scsi or sata hard disk?
[08:18] <creyton> bob2, sorry to bother you, but im not familiar with the recovery mode and how to add a line to hosts file
[08:18] <creyton> what is the command to add?
[08:18] <kestas> then /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc .. until you get it
[08:19] <Nern> bob2 and kestas: i only have one hdd and it is an ide drive, hda
[08:19] <bob2> kestas: that's kinda dangerous
[08:19] <Fikrann> Hello all
[08:19] <kestas> not if youve only got 1 hdd
[08:19] <bob2> creyton: did you reboot into recovery mode yet?
[08:19] <Lafitte-> what program opens rar files in Ubuntu ?
[08:19] <kestas> Nern: are you sure its always recognised as hda?
[08:19] <stormie`> danko123456 : ????
[08:19] <kestas> because why would it say a hdd is read only?
[08:19] <creyton> not yet..but im not exactly sure what im supposed to do in recovery mode to add a line to the hosts file
[08:19] <bob2> Lafitte-: pick ONE channel
[08:19] <bob2> Lafitte-: did you install unrar-nonfree yet?
[08:20] <bob2> creyton: which text editor have you been using?
[08:20] <Shuddertrix> Lafitte-: sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree rar
[08:20] <kestas> Nern: also did you run the command as root?
[08:20] <creyton> gedit
[08:20] <kestas> Nern: was the drive mounted?
[08:20] <Shuddertrix> Lafitte-: Make sure you have multiverse/universe too, for those
[08:20] <Nern> ill be back... lemme give this another shot
[08:20] <Lafitte-> i odnt have source
[08:20] <bob2> creyton: ok, try "nano /etc/hosts" once you reboot
[08:20] <creyton> ok got it
[08:20] <bob2> creyton: it will display all the key bindings on the screen for you
[08:20] <jeff25> anyone know where all the kde user menus are stored?
[08:21] <creyton> alright thanks
[08:21] <Fikrann> Anyone knows how much work is revering from Breezy to Hoary? I have a rather heavily customised system and I'm not really looking forward to reinstallation.
[08:21] <bob2> jeff25: #kubuntu might know
[08:21] <bob2> Fikrann: why did you upgrade to breezy?
[08:21] <jeff25> bob2: thanks.  btw hi! :)
[08:21] <bob2> aloha :)
[08:22] <dell500> anyone here know how to add horzsync and vertrefresh rates in xorg??
[08:22] <dell500> is it the same as xf86??
[08:22] <aromero3> yes dell500
[08:22] <levander> dell500: you just add a modeline to your monitor section
[08:23] <bob2> dell500: yeah, but it should be automatically
[08:23] <Fikrann> bob2, out of habit. I'm used to hanging on really raw bleeding edge of Debian.
[08:23] <bob2> breedy is more broken than sid has ever been
[08:23] <bob2> but you know that now ;)
[08:24] <dell500> well my resolution is all skewed
[08:24] <dell500> i'll see if it helps
[08:24] <levander> dell500: i have had to run dpkg-reconfigure x-server to get ubuntu to recognize my graphics capabilities correctly before...
[08:25] <levander> dell500: if they're wrong, you can try that to see if it makes them right
[08:25] <Fikrann> bob2, I doubt removing apt sources and doing dist-upgrade would help?
[08:26] <dell500> levander, what does that do?
[08:26] <dell500> just reconfiguring it?
[08:26] <bob2> Fikrann: no
[08:26] <bob2> Fikrann: you can do pinning stuff, but downgrades really aren't supported
[08:27] <bob2> I don't know of anything that would certainly break, though
[08:27] <levander> dell500: i'm pretty sure it just re-run the x server config, google a little on it first
[08:27] <chohmann> dell500: do you have any warnings(WW) or errors(EE) in your Xorg log files?
[08:27] <Fikrann> dell500, if you're installing on a laptop, you might have problems because of nonstandard parametres of the lcd.
[08:28] <levander> bob2: you don't consider it an insult to ubuntu that you work on the distribution, but run debian instead?
[08:28] <bob2> levander: I don't work on ubuntu
[08:28] <bob2> and I do run ubuntu on some machines
[08:28] <levander> bob2: okay, i'm getting tired, that was stupid question anyway
[08:28] <levander> bob2: night guys
[08:30] <danko123456> ha:)
[08:30] <stormie`> danko123456 : ????
[08:31] <danko123456> hey, sorry...
[08:31] <danko123456> well, not sure, I must say.
[08:31] <rixth> Whenever I try and play an Mp3 in RhythmBox, I get an error "Could not open resource for writing" yet I know the file exists and totem can play it.
[08:31] <Fikrann> bob2, I'm going to try that...
[08:32] <capi> does anyone know if it's possible to update multiple dyndns accounts with ipcheck?
[08:32] <Fikrann> rixth, totem is broken in too many ways.
[08:32] <rixth> Fikrann, obviously not in this case becasue totem can play it
[08:33] <sevets> Hello
[08:33] <sevets> I am having a problem with x...
[08:33] <egg|sigh> Hello
[08:34] <egg|sigh> I'm back ^-^
[08:34] <dell500> i don't quite understand why my resolution is so skewed like this, i just used an old xorg.conf and before i added the flrx to the driver list, it got all bunk
[08:34] <sevets> I am also having a problem with resolutions
[08:35] <my_haz> hello is anyone good with `screen` and no how to put a status bar on the bottom of the screen
[08:36] <sevets> I am unable to choose a resolution higher than 640x480 in the resolution options
[08:36] <dell500> how do you find out what bus identifier an agp card is on?
[08:36] <dell500> sevets, not sure, but you have to chang ethe resolutions in the xorg.conf file
[08:36] <dell500> only way to do it
[08:37] <bob2> dell500: ignore it
[08:37] <bob2> leave it blank
[08:37] <bob2> etc
[08:38] <sevets> dell500: I have changed the resolutions I believe.  I have even deleted the 640x480 options and yet it still won't give me any other options...
[08:39] <Fikrann> sevets, what gfx card do you have?
[08:39] <sevets> a voodoo 3 3000
[08:39] <sevets> pci
[08:39] <sevets> haha
[08:40] <danko123456> sevets, this may help, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto , Fikrann do you know what you are talking about(no offense, I often talk with no point:))
[08:40] <dell500> Use kernal framebuffer device interface?
[08:40] <dell500> danko123456, he's asking what graphics card he has
[08:40] <dell500> gfx = graphics
[08:40] <danko123456> no, I meant that as a real question.
[08:41] <DekaPink> Is there anything like TMPGenc for Ubuntu/linux in general?
[08:41] <Shuddertrix> sevets: after making sure it's using the tdfx driver (my voodoo 5 5500 with ubuntu came up with the vesa one) you need to go to that wiki link.
[08:41] <dell500> oh lol
[08:41] <danko123456> if he really knows what he is talking about, or just randomly speaking realated words...
[08:41] <danko123456> I do that often.
[08:41] <dell500> lol
[08:41] <Fikrann> danko123456, I believe I know what I'm talking about, thank you.
[08:41] <danko123456> great, just checking.
[08:41] <sevets> Shuddertrix: the tdfx driver would be listed in the conf file?
[08:41] <Shuddertrix> sevets: Yes.
[08:41] <sevets> ok
[08:41] <sevets> I see it there under device
[08:42] <WX> anyone here have mod_perl working with apache2?
[08:42] <sevets> Excellent I shall try the things in this wiki
[08:42] <sevets> br
[08:42] <sevets> b
[08:42] <Shuddertrix> sevets: good, now follow the wiki link danko123456 put up there ;)
[08:43] <alka_trash> silly question
[08:43] <alka_trash> where are the user contrib apt-get packages?
[08:43] <Shuddertrix> if a package wants to remove ubuntu-base, is that _really_ going to screw up anything?
[08:45] <Fikrann> Shuddertrix, not really, it seems.
[08:45] <Shuddertrix> Fikrann: Ok, thanks..
[08:45] <danko123456> alka_trash: unless noone else answers, if I at all understood your question, this page may have the answer: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/
[08:45] <crimmy> Shuddertrix: no, it's just a metapackage
[08:46] <alka_trash> K
[08:46] <alka_trash> thanks
[08:46] <Shuddertrix> crimmy: I must have been looking at the wrong package.. i thought it wasn't..
[08:46] <danko123456> welcome, maybe crimmy would know about that...
[08:46] <Shuddertrix> Odd how I could overlook something like that.
[08:46] <danko123456> crimmy: do you mind when I unload people onto you like that?
[08:47] <dell500> anyone know what kernel framebuffer is?/
[08:47] <crimmy> danba: not really, though it's best if you ping me first if I don't respond immediately.
[08:48] <Shuddertrix> dell500: in a sense, i know what it does
[08:48] <danba> how do you do that?
[08:49] <danba> I usually try to unload if it is related to what you do, like sound, or his repository related question, altho I am not sure that is what that persona asked for...
[08:49] <Fikrann> Philosophical question: Does anyone know the reason why Debian (and therefore Ubuntu) insist on installing MTA on ALL machines, by default?
[08:49] <danba> I mean, only if it is realted to that...
[08:49] <danba> crimmy: and I try to put the nick in front:)
[08:49] <alka_trash> danba: what I was looking for was a unofficial deb directory for Ubuntu, sort of like the backports directory, but maybe on a larger scale
[08:50] <dell500> Shuddertrix, should i use it for 3d acceleration for my ati 9600xt?
[08:50] <Jormundgand> God, Xfce still rules.
[08:50] <Fator_Dee> good morning o/
[08:50] <yoyobean> Is anybody here having trouble with running openGL screensavers?  I can't seem to run mine.  I've tried running some from the command line but I get "Unable to resolve Xmu symbols - please check your Xmu library installation."
[08:51] <chohmann> alka_trash: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[08:51] <Fikrann> dell500, no, it won't work with closed ati driver.
[08:51] <JasonF> Should I use breezy yet?
[08:51] <transgress> JasonF: topic
[08:51] <Shuddertrix> JasonF: /topic
[08:51] <JasonF> that was the point ;)
[08:51] <Fikrann> heh
[08:51] <JasonF> hence the /me ducks
[08:51] <Tezkah> mplayer is awesome
[08:51] <Fator_Dee> JasonF: if you really want to :-<
[08:51] <jeff25> is acroread broken?
[08:51] <Tezkah> +w32 codecs
[08:51] <Tezkah> oh man... awesome
[08:52] <dell500> Fikrann, just say no then?
[08:52] <jeff25> newt2@laptop ~ $ acroread
[08:52] <jeff25> ERROR: Cannot find installation directory.
[08:52] <jeff25> ?
[08:52] <Fikrann> dell500, where? in kernel config?
[08:52] <Shuddertrix> jeff25: acroread works on my system
[08:52] <dell500> ya
[08:53] <alka_trash> Thanks chohmann, I use to user slackware and I really got use to community packages, like ones from http://www.linuxpackages.net/ I guess I'll have to start a webpage
[08:53] <MegaManX> I again fellows :). I though I'd ask this here, since pygame channel is dead. Is anybody here good with Pygame?. I've kinda made a game and I would be needing somebody to help me out with the project by creating Windows executables of the game :)
[08:53] <dell500> xserver-xorg config
[08:53] <jeff25> Shuddertrix: what is the install dir?
[08:53] <MegaManX> bad, bad spelling day, sorry :(
[08:53] <Shuddertrix> jeff25: I don't know what that wants.. sorry?
[08:53] <bogues> hmmm. wonder if gstreamer will ever hit 1.0
[08:53] <dell500> Fikrann, config for xorg
[08:53] <alka_trash> chohmann: The ubuntu backports page is nice, but not updated that much as I would expect
[08:54] <JasonF> is anyone else getting 403s from backports.ubuntuforums.org repository?
[08:54] <chohmann> alka_trash: i think there actaully having some problems with the backport mirrors today, so if you add them to your sources, you might get 403 denied access errors
[08:54] <alka_trash> chohmann: oh, thanks
[08:54] <JasonF> heh, and my question is answered
[08:54] <jeff25> Shuddertrix: I think I figured i out thanks
[08:54] <chohmann> lol
[08:54] <chohmann> i just look up from my keyboard
[08:55] <danba> alka_trash: I think that is the extent of ubuntus backports at this time...
[08:55] <crimmy> JasonF: / chohmann: the repo moved. The new repo is noted in the forum.
[08:55] <crimmy> JasonF: and I'll lart you in #trilug, too.
[08:55] <crimmy> :p
[08:55] <alka_trash> danba: I appreciate that it's there, just wondering if there was ,, thanks :)
[08:55] <chohmann> crimmy: do you mean the mirrors?
[08:56] <dell500> Fikrann, should it be enabled or no?
[08:56] <chohmann> I tried all the mirrors, kept getting 403
[08:56] <sevets> thanks for the help everyone
[08:56] <sevets> re inspecting the hardware did it
[08:56] <crimmy> chohmann: I was under the impression that the entire master repo moved.
[08:56] <dell500> sevets, does the resolution thing work now?
[08:56] <danba> alka_trash: do rread this page, you seem interested: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU
[08:57] <sevets> yup
[08:57] <sevets> much much better
[08:57] <dell500> like in gui?
[08:57] <alka_trash> danba: okay
[08:57] <Fikrann> dell500, you're editing xorg.conf? Then you don't want fbdev there, for sure.
[08:57] <dell500> Fikrann, so no then :0
[08:57] <dell500> :)
[08:58] <chohmann> crimmy: reading through the backports forum, it seems they took down the master to improve the sycn speed for the mirrors, but i and others on the forum seem to be getting 403 when attempting to access the mirrors themselves
[08:59] <JasonF> the one mirror works
[08:59] <JasonF> what is it... the 02:58 -!- stormie`<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
[08:59] <JasonF> damn, bad paste
[08:59] <chohmann> Jason: which one? mirrormax?
[08:59] <JasonF> lemm eget the url of the mirror that's working for me
[08:59] <JasonF> http://acm.cs.umn.edu
[08:59] <JasonF> downloading mplayer from it as we speak
[08:59] <alka_trash> danba: Thanks :D
[09:00] <chohmann> JasonF: hmm, i tried that one. I'll try  it again now.
[09:00] <sevets> Do I have to do anything special to access windows shares?
[09:00] <Jet2k5> Does anyone here know the package to control sound themes?
[09:01] <danba> chohmann: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php may tell you what you are looking for.
[09:01] <danba> alka_trash: was that related to what you were talking about with teh web page?
[09:01] <alka_trash> danba: yep
[09:02] <danba> alka_trash: cool, cause I wasnt sure if I got the right thing.
[09:02] <chohmann> JasonF: it seems to be working now. thanks
[09:02] <alka_trash> danba: Ha ha, I guess I should be more descriptive,  Thanks again
[09:02] <danba> no, not only that, but I am not really that knowledgeable. welcome.
[09:02] <sebastyan> Hi
[09:03] <danba> chohmann: do read that page, too, it will explain. I think, anyhow.
[09:03] <danba> explained it to me:)
[09:03] <chohmann> danba: loading it as we speak. :)
[09:03] <sebastyan> how can i 5urn off iptables in Ubuntu ???
[09:03] <sebastyan> becvause skype is not working !!
[09:04] <Jormundgand> Use Gaim. :)
[09:05] <benplaut> killall iptables?
[09:05] <Tezkah> skype is for voice... ;)
[09:05] <giggsey> how can I access my windows partion through ubuntu?
[09:05] <sebastyan> i need Skype !
[09:05] <Tezkah> giggsey: mount it
[09:05] <naapuri> Hello. I'd like to open an OOo file that is located on a remote smb share. I installed the openoffice-gnomevfs package, but it doesn't seem to do anything (I'd expect it to modify the File->Open dialog.) gnomevfs-cat et al. work ok, so the share is working.
[09:05] <giggsey> Tezkah -> whats the command? im a n00b
[09:05] <chohmann> danba: yeah, i saw that page. Here's a related thread from the forums. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37525
[09:05] <Tezkah> giggsey: "man mount"
[09:05] <sebastyan> really
[09:05] <sebastyan> is really important
[09:05] <sebastyan> so can anyone help me ?
[09:06] <Tezkah> hint: what is your windows partition? NTFS?
[09:06] <Fator_Dee> sebastyan: there's no firewall needed in ubuntu by default, so you don't have to kill iptables
[09:06] <giggsey> FAT32
[09:06] <naapuri> I also tried OOo2 from backports. Its File->Open dialog shows the share but it still doesn't open any documents over it.
[09:06] <sevets> Is there anything special I need to do to access a windows share?
[09:06] <naapuri> Any ideas?
[09:06] <r0d> sevets, samba
[09:06] <sebastyan>  killall iptables it does not work
[09:07] <sevets> r0d, samba is the protocol right?
[09:07] <benplaut> sabastyan: do a "killall skype" and then reload it first... when you add it to startup programs, it will run in the background, but not in the panel. Only logs in once... second time won't work
[09:07] <Fator_Dee> sebastyan: because it won't
[09:07] <r0d> Sevets, its a deamon that runs SMB protocol
[09:07] <sevets> aha!
[09:08] <Fator_Dee> giggsey: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountfat
[09:08] <naapuri> sevets, ubuntu doesn't use iptables by default. you can confirm this by runnning the command "iptables-save". If there's no firewall, it prints nothing.
[09:08] <r0d> sevets, but does alot more then just file sharing.
[09:08] <sebastyan> Any ideas ... i'm at work and we use Skype to talk ... am mine does not work
[09:08] <sebastyan> is there a firewall in Ubuntu ???
[09:08] <sebastyan> so i can stop it .. maybe it will work ?
[09:08] <giggsey> thanks Fator_Doe
[09:08] <sevets> r0d, what else does it do?
[09:08] <Tezkah> sebastyan: do you have a router?
[09:08] <Fator_Dee> sebastyan: there's is *no* firewall by default
[09:08] <naapuri> sebastyan, look at my previous line (accidentally went to sevets)
[09:08] <sebastyan> if i do iptables -L i get a huge list some of them are DROP
[09:08] <sebastyan> ??? :(
[09:08] <Tezkah> Skype is weird.  It either works by default, or it doesn't work and is impossible to configure
[09:09] <benplaut> sebastyan: killall skype... same thing happened to me, and it took me ages to figure out that that's all i needed
[09:09] <r0d> sevets,  it can run as a domain controller, file share server. basiclly almost anything microsoft server2003 can do w/ smb
[09:09] <sevets> amazing
[09:09] <sevets> r0d, for now how do I use it to access windows shares?
[09:09] <Fator_Dee> sebastyan: that iptables -L doesn't necessarily mean that it has anything to do with skype
[09:10] <Fator_Dee> sebastyan: do what benplaut said an write "killall skype"
[09:10] <sebastyan> is there anything else to use voice over ip ( as a skype user ) ?
[09:10] <sebastyan> i mean to use skype protokol ??
[09:10] <Fator_Dee> *and
[09:10] <naapuri> r0d, any ideas on how to use openoffice to access a gnomevfs share - or, why it might not work?
[09:10] <r0d> sevets, download samba then do '/etc/init.d/samba start
[09:10] <benplaut> i use skype
[09:11] <sebastyan> benplaut, u use skype under Ubuntu Linux and work ???
[09:11] <r0d> naapuri, dont know much about openoffice
[09:11] <sevets> r0d, am I able to use apt to get that?
[09:11] <r0d> yea
[09:11] <Fator_Dee> sebastyan: have you tried that tip that benplaut said?
[09:11] <benplaut> sabastyan: yup... and a default install, when it comes to networking
[09:11] <JasonF> how do you remove all of the deps of kubuntu-desktop?
[09:12] <JasonF> I installed it, and decided I prefergnome, and I want to get rid of the kubuntu desktop
[09:12] <sebastyan> Fator_Dee: yes i tried ... and nothing special happened
[09:12] <gandalf> hey all
[09:13] <sebastyan> when i tri chat it says that message not delivered yet
[09:13] <benplaut> sebastyan: so it won't let you log in?
[09:13] <gandalf> i really need help here
[09:13] <yahalom> i'm having issues installing XFC
[09:13] <yahalom> can someone help?
[09:13] <benplaut> gandalf: no need to ask permission to ask... ask away!  :)
[09:13] <Jormundgand> gandalf: The answer is 42.
[09:13] <yahalom> configure: error: Library requirements (sigc++-2.0 >= 2.0.6) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them
[09:14] <yahalom> lol
[09:14] <gandalf> trying to play mp3's downloaded mpg123, but still no luck?
[09:14] <sebastyan> and when i try to call someone nothing happens
[09:14] <crimmy> yahalom: XFC?
[09:14] <jeff25> yahalom: install libsigc++
[09:14] <benplaut> gandalf: follow the instructions at www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:14] <Tezkah> gandalf: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:14] <sevets> r0d, samba does not come with Ubuntu?
[09:14] <benplaut> crimmy: a great file manager
[09:15] <sebastyan> i log in skype and i can send ONLY one message , afterwards i cannot send or call nobody
[09:15] <gandalf> thanks
[09:15] <benplaut> sevets: not by default
[09:15] <sebastyan> all i get is : "Message not delivered yet "
[09:15] <crimmy> JasonF: currently there's no intuitive method. You have to remove its dependencies manually.
[09:15] <sebastyan> and that's all
[09:15] <sebastyan> :(
[09:15] <sevets> benplaut, thankya
[09:15] <crimmy> benplaut: just ensuring he didn't neglect a vowel
[09:15] <r0d> sevets, uncertain. im from gentoo. you can check by looking in /etc/init.d    if you see a samba script you have it.
[09:15] <benplaut> sabastyan: go into synaptic, find the package "skype", and press ctrl+e, and force it to the oldest version
[09:15] <sevets> r0d, thankya
[09:16] <yahalom> jeff25, my repos dont have that package
[09:16] <r0d> sevets, or to see if its running do a ps -aux | grep samba
[09:16] <benplaut> crimmy: that's what i thought when i first heard of XFE  ;)
[09:16] <yahalom> jeff25, just google it?
[09:16] <jeff25> yahalom: apt-cache search sigc
[09:16] <sevets> What is the best mode of installation?
[09:16] <sebastyan> okay i will try that
[09:16] <crimmy> sevets: /etc/init.d/samba status
[09:17] <Jormundgand> sevets: Burning each bit individually into the memory. :D
[09:17] <sevets> ohnoes
[09:17] <sevets> haha
[09:17] <Fikrann> brb
[09:17] <jeff25> yahalom: sudo apt-get install libsigc++2.0-dev
[09:17] <sevets> A binary should work fine?
[09:18] <Fator_Dee> I prefer stainless steel punch cards,
[09:18] <gandalf> what about getting evolution mail to see a proxy?
[09:19] <JasonF> crimmy: that's nothing less than evil
[09:19] <gandalf> true, but i need it for my network
[09:19] <crimmy> JasonF: well at least it's scriptable
[09:19] <gandalf> say what?
[09:20] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> morning'
[09:20] <danba> crimmy: hey, I had a question related to the dependency removal, once you dont want something... seeing as your name is referenced in aptitude(did you write that?) so, no way to remove those? I thought bob2 said you would remove if installed by aptitude, once you remove with aptitude...
[09:20] <Jormundgand> Where do I find the .desktop files which are in the menu?
[09:20] <danba> ToutPT|ppc|fr: morning.
[09:21] <crimmy> danba: you can remove them
[09:21] <jeff25> Jormundgand: /usr/share/applications
[09:21] <crimmy> danba: aptitude also is intelligent and tracks package usage, so if you don't use something for a while, it'll remove it
[09:21] <dell500> how do i switch to KDE?
[09:21] <Tezkah> dell500: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:21] <danba> crimmy, aha. did you write it?
[09:21] <dell500> well it's installed
[09:22] <dell500> i'm in gnome right now
[09:22] <Tezkah> do you get a login screen?
[09:22] <Tezkah> close the session
[09:22] <Tezkah> choose session type -> KDE
[09:22] <crimmy> danba: no; you probably saw my name in the package changelog
[09:22] <Tezkah> then log in, and you should boot into KDE
[09:22] <dell500> no login
[09:22] <Tezkah> it just goes straight to GNOME?
[09:22] <dell500> oh
[09:22] <dell500> nm
[09:22] <Tezkah> or do you get a Ubuntu screen with a little drumroll
[09:22] <dell500> i'm slow lol
[09:22] <dell500> brb
[09:23] <Tezkah> dell500: so?
[09:23] <danba> crimmy: k, thanks. so you have to use aptitude to install, then it tracks package usage, so if I don't use some dependencies for a while, it'll remove them?
[09:23] <dell500> nope nothing
[09:24] <dell500> no login, so how do i switch to kde
[09:24] <Tezkah> so you close your gnome session, right?
[09:24] <crimmy> danba: yep
[09:24] <danba> dell, log out, click on session, choose kde, sign in.
[09:24] <dell500> ya, brings me to a shell session
[09:24] <Tezkah> oh.  that's not good at all
[09:24] <dell500> nope
[09:24] <Tezkah> so how do you start gnome?
[09:24] <Tezkah> startx ?
[09:24] <dell500> i edited my xorg.conf for just depth of 24 for my resolutions and it freaked
[09:24] <danba> ceratinly isnt what he was trying to do
[09:24] <dell500> yup
[09:25] <sevets> Would anyone describe to me how to install samba on Ubuntu?
[09:25] <Tezkah> hmm, you'd have to edit a bunch of text files... xint I think? I have no idea
[09:25] <benplaut> sebastyan: working now?
[09:26] <GNAM> CHICCCHIRICCHI'!
[09:26] <GNAM> ops
[09:26] <giggsey> shit, i dont have gcc
[09:26] <sevets> hum
[09:27] <jacquesmerde> which repo is gmpc in?
[09:27] <naapuri> sevets, if you just want to access a windows share and you are using gnome, try "Places -> Connect to Server..."
[09:27] <sevets> ahhha
[09:27] <sevets> thankya naapuri
[09:28] <danba> giggsey: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:28] <yahalom> anybody having issues logging in to gnome
[09:28] <yahalom> ?
[09:28] <danba> altho, you should be like, hey, how can I install gcc rather.
[09:28] <sevets> oh yes and one more thing
[09:28] <dell500> w00t, back in kde
[09:29] <sevets> how do I mount a hard drive?
[09:29] <danba> what filesystem?
[09:29] <giggsey> E: Unmet dependencies.  It would be read only I think for now right?
[09:29] <danba> well, you are online... try sudo apt-get -f install
[09:30] <danba> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions sevets
[09:30] <danba> I think that has it have to check that page out tomorrow.
[09:31] <sevets> thanks danba
[09:31] <giggsey> Media change: please insert the disc labeled
[09:31] <giggsey>  'Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)'
[09:31] <giggsey> in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
[09:31] <giggsey>  -> and i dont have the disc
[09:31] <Tezkah> anyone want to let me SSH into their box?
[09:31] <danba> jacquesmerde, lets do this, what repos do you have enabled?
[09:31] <Tezkah> I need to forma^w practice
[09:31] <danba> welcome, sevets.
[09:31] <danba> giggsey: please edit your sources.list, and comment out the first line, pertaining to the cd.
[09:31] <danba> I bet you dont know how, hey?
[09:32] <danba> Tezkah: what?
[09:32] <danba> hey, carnet.hr!
[09:33] <jeff25> Failed to fetch http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ubp/dists/hoary-backports/main/binary-i386/smbfs_3.0.14a-1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb  403 Forbidden
[09:33] <jeff25> ?
[09:34] <danba> jeff25: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37525 .
[09:34] <chohmann> jeff25: try the umn.edu mirror
[09:34] <jacquesmerde> danba, i think i just have universe enabled. i figure its in multiverse or marillat?
[09:34] <jeff25> ok
[09:35] <danba> multiverse if you have universe, I guess....:-/ wanna try that, and tell me if it helps before I unload my sources.list onto you?
[09:36] <danba> giggsey: whenever you are ready.
[09:36] <jacquesmerde> danba, forget it. i'll stick with glurp
[09:36] <jeff25> what is the diff between hoary-backports and hoary-backports-staging?
[09:36] <danba> I agree with that, tried that other program today, not very friendly.
[09:37] <giggsey> ive edited it danba
[09:37] <Seveas> jeff25, backport sucks, backports-stagings sucks harder :)
[09:37] <jeff25> Seveas: well I need smbfs and it's on backports
[09:38] <danba> giggsey: great. so it works now?
[09:38] <Seveas> jeff25, it's in the normal repositories too!
[09:38] <giggsey> how to i rebuilt it again, i closed shell, lol, lost my last commands
[09:38] <Seveas> NEVER use backports unless absolutely needed (which means: NEVER use backports)
[09:38] <giggsey> nvm
[09:39] <danba> Seveas: hi. did you know we have a bot?
[09:39] <Seveas> danba, bots are not allowed here, unless you have talked about it with the operators...
[09:39] <danba> Seveas: I mean in the channel...hehe, so you didnt...
[09:39] <danba> !hi
[09:39] <ubotu> hello, danba
[09:40] <Seveas> danba, remove that bot please
[09:40] <dell500> yes! 3d accel and gui resolution!
[09:40] <giggsey> i ran sudo apt-get-update and got ive messaged it to you
[09:40] <danba> Seveas: sure, let me go remove the official bot...:)
[09:40] <Seveas> danba, bots are not allowed here, unless you have talked about it with the operators...
[09:40] <tiger> Hello.
[09:40] <Seveas> hmm, official
[09:40] <danba> yeah, I read your first post...
[09:40] <Seveas> since when?
[09:40] <danba> not sure, bob2 told me about it an hour or so ago.
[09:40] <jacquesmerde> why is my ubuntu partition 20gb full already??? i only isntalled three days ago!!!
[09:40] <Seveas> and since when do the operators allow obnoxious !hi commands...
[09:40] <danba> jacquesmerde: why do you surf porn?
[09:41] <giggsey> lol
[09:41] <giggsey> its stuff like !kick !ban !op
[09:41] <jeff25> Seveas: you're right.  Thanks
[09:41] <danba> Seveas: please go see with them, not sure:) maybe its a secret... for now...
[09:41] <jacquesmerde> danba, well, i didnt THINK i did. maybe subconsciously i am...
[09:41] <capi> anyone here used updatedd for dyndns?
[09:41] <danba> haha, yeah, right...
[09:41] <danba> jacquesmerde: just joking, though, what programs do you use, for file sharing and such?
[09:42] <DekaPink> Hey all... If I edit my Ubuntu partition with partition magic... Would that mess it up? :3
[09:42] <danba> giggsey: please comment those repositories out too.
[09:42] <jacquesmerde> i've dloaded TWO mp3's with giftoxic, and ripped TWO cds with juicer
[09:42] <tiger> excuse me, i just installed ubuntu, which went quite well; i have only two questions: 1) how do i set/get to know the root password? 2) screen res is 1024x768 / 60 Hz, how can i get it up to 75+ Hz? (it was that high on the last OS on this computer) ..
[09:42] <danba> the backports, comment them out, giggsey.
[09:42] <Seveas> jacquesmerde, have you installed a *lot* of stuff already from the repositories?
[09:42] <giggsey> oO
[09:43] <bogues> DekaPink, I've found partition magic to do bad things.  I would trust parted before that
[09:43] <giggsey> done
[09:43] <jacquesmerde> Seveas, just gftp, tetex, and gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:43] <Seveas> tiger: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:43] <bogues> DekaPink, partition magic hosed an ext3 partition of mine one time
[09:43] <danba> jacquesmerde: you are a criminal, please dont come here anymore:)
[09:43] <jacquesmerde> danba, the mad thing?
[09:43] <danba> DekaPink: try qtparted, or gparted
[09:43] <Fator_Dee> jacquesmerde: I once had a 8.7gig .xsession-errors -file on my age old mandrake installation ^_^
[09:43] <DekaPink> bogues: I've installed gparted, but it doesn't seem to want to do antyhing to the partitions other than show me their properties.
[09:43] <Seveas> tiger, for the second question: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:43] <giggsey> now i get:
[09:43] <giggsey> eading package lists... Done
[09:43] <giggsey> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:43] <giggsey> E: Couldn't find package build-essential
[09:43] <jacquesmerde> how do i check the size of my home directory?
[09:44] <jeff25> Seveas: is there anyway to get a list of all packages from backports using dpkg?
[09:44] <Choubaka> jacquesmerde: du -h
[09:44] <bogues> DekaPink, actually you might want to download a bootdisk with parted
[09:44] <Seveas> giggsey, make sure your sources.list looks like http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38
[09:44] <danba> jacquesmerde: no, you downloaded 2 songs through gift...tsk, tsk...
[09:44] <Seveas> jacquesmerde, du checks sizes of folders
[09:44] <johnnybezak> hey guys anyone know an rss reader for the cli?
[09:44] <danba> giggsey: uncomment main.
[09:44] <Seveas> read its manpage before using it :)
[09:44] <bogues> DekaPink, download a floppy with parted....i had one but can't remember it.  it worked great.
[09:44] <tiger> ah.. hm. why does sudo ask for my password again?
[09:44] <Choubaka> and they're directories -_-
[09:44] <Choubaka> not folder.
[09:45] <Choubaka> folders*
[09:45] <tiger> if i'm already logged in?
[09:45] <napsy> Recently I upgraded my kernel to 2.6.12-rc5 but now I have a problem. I have a disk with a VFAT partiton(hdc1). When I try to mount it on /mnt/share, mount says that the device is already mounted or /mnt/share is in use. But none of the two is true. In 2.6.11 I could mount hdc1 with no problems. Please help.
[09:45] <jacquesmerde> danba, i never said they were songs. just a bit of opensource sound...
[09:45] <Fator_Dee> tiger: you are already logged in?
[09:45] <tiger> well, as my user account
[09:45] <Fator_Dee> tiger: as a normal user?
[09:45] <Fator_Dee> tiger: then it's normal behaviour
[09:45] <Seveas> tiger, that's how sudo works (fortunately)
[09:45] <danba> jacquesmerde: yeah, I kno, I kno, just teasing you...:) you didnt get that?
[09:45] <Seveas> you can disable that though
[09:45] <tiger> ah, okay
[09:45] <DekaPink> I don't have a floppy drive...  It will start makeing a jumpung clicking sound then it causes my comp to shut down. Not shut down propperly, just switches off there and then. So im going to phone the tech support and use my warranty to get a new HDD for my laptop, but i cant be fucked haveing to send my laptop so im just going to ask if they can send a new HDD out and ill fit it myself and if they wish ill send the defe
[09:46] <Ryan_> cted one back. But just incase they dont believe me i was wondering if anyone has any ideas for a good story to tell them as to whats causing the problem, any ideas?
[09:46] <giggsey> still E: Couldn't find package build-essential, i haven't uncommented main
[09:46] <Choubaka> well, do it :P
[09:46] <giggsey> lol
[09:46] <Choubaka> you need main uncommented :P
[09:47] <Seveas> giggsey, make sure your sources.list looks like http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38
[09:47] <giggsey> i have
[09:47] <Seveas> and do an apt-get update
[09:47] <Choubaka> ye.
[09:47] <giggsey> ive done update
[09:47] <giggsey> how do i uncomment main?
[09:47] <Choubaka> remove the #
[09:47] <Choubaka> :P
[09:47] <giggsey> stupid question
[09:47] <Seveas> giggsey, paste your sources.list and the output of apt-get update on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[09:47] <Choubaka> well, not really.
[09:47] <gandalf> s there a difference between atp-get and synaptic
[09:47] <Choubaka> yes and no.
[09:48] <Ryan_> Anyone ??????
[09:48] <Seveas> gandalf, yes
[09:48] <jacquesmerde> surely mounting a windows partition wouldnt be the reason i seem to have used 20gig on this ubuntu partition?
[09:48] <Seveas> apt-get is command line
[09:48] <Choubaka> synaptic is a completely different application
[09:48] <danba> jeff25: here it is: ftp://ftp2.caliu.info/backports/dists/ .
[09:48] <Seveas> synaptic a gui
[09:48] <danba> a list of them, jeff25.
[09:48] <Seveas> they both use libapt :)
[09:48] <jeff25> danba: thanks
[09:48] <Choubaka> they do the same thing though, yeah. :)
[09:48] <jeff25> danba: been looking for that
[09:48] <giggsey> http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/56
[09:49] <Fator_Dee> Ryan_: I don't think there's any other option but to give them the whole computer
[09:49] <danba> Ryan_: what kind of story would you like us to make up?
[09:49] <yahalom> i need help. finally finally i logged into gnome. it took 4 minutes. when i press logout it takes a minute. any ideas?
[09:49] <yahalom> my comp is fast.
[09:49] <Ryan_> danba, just a feasable one as to why a hard drive would be doing such a thing
[09:49] <danba> Ryan_: saying *bump* is also less annoying...not that I am easily annoyed...
[09:49] <Choubaka> yahalom: you don't have DMA enabled? :|
[09:50] <Choubaka> or do you have SATA?
[09:50] <Seveas> giggsey, your sources.list is not correct
[09:50] <yahalom> Choubaka, i didnt change anything
[09:50] <r0d> hey Seveas. is their a way to customer the splashimage of ubuntu?
[09:50] <Tezkah> Ryan_: yeah, watch out, they'll usually just sendy our laptop back formatted
[09:50] <Ryan_> I know its a part of the hard drive because it always occurs when i try to run azueras bit torrent client
[09:50] <danba> Ryan_: it started doing it by itself, you were on vacation, I would always say that.
[09:50] <yahalom> Choubaka, how can i enable it?
[09:50] <Choubaka> yahalom: yeah, still.
[09:50] <giggsey> ok sevaes?
[09:50] <Tezkah> so use knoppix or something to try ad get the data out of it
[09:50] <yahalom> Choubaka, or at least check for it
[09:50] <Choubaka> yahalom: sudo hdparm -d /dev/hddevice
[09:50] <Fator_Dee> Ryan_: check the smart-info of your harddrive
[09:50] <Ryan_> Tezkah, ive reformatted twice since the problem first arose
[09:50] <Choubaka> what type of HD do you have?
[09:50] <yahalom> Choubaka, oh man
[09:50] <Choubaka> sata or ata?
[09:50] <yahalom> Choubaka, thats it
[09:51] <Ryan_> smart info of my hard drive?
[09:51] <Ryan_> how do i do that Fator_Dee
[09:51] <yahalom> Choubaka, i changed something hdparm to make it faster
[09:51] <danba> r0d: do read http://art.gnome.org/faq.php#q8
[09:51] <Choubaka> ok, so you can enable it with hdparm -d1
[09:51] <Tezkah> Ryan_: then... send it in?  funky harddrive?
[09:51] <Fator_Dee> Ryan_: sudo smartctl -a /dev/hda, if you don't have smartctl installed, install it
[09:51] <Seveas> giggsey, http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/57
[09:51] <yahalom> Choubaka, replace hddevice with hda1 fo ex?
[09:51] <Seveas> use THAT as your sources.list, i've corrected it
[09:51] <Choubaka> no.
[09:51] <Choubaka> just hda
[09:51] <Ryan_> Fator_Dee, im not on ubuntu at the moment
[09:51] <Choubaka> if that's your HD
[09:51] <Ryan_> im on dows partition
[09:52] <Choubaka> hda1 is a partition
[09:52] <Seveas> r0d, yes, which splashimage do you mean?
[09:52] <Fator_Dee> Ryan_: well, if you go to ubuntu
[09:52] <yahalom> Choubaka, man but i used hdparm to increase the speed of my cdrom
[09:53] <r0d> Seveas, dont know what unbuntu calls it, but the splash image is the jpeg picture doing bootup
[09:53] <yahalom> Choubaka, dma is on now, dont knwo if it was befora
[09:53] <Ryan_> sod it. ill phone just now and see if they will. If not then what the hell ill just have to send the entire thing :-\
[09:53] <Fator_Dee> Ryan_: and I'd think there are programs on windows that check the smart info of harddrives, but I don't know of any
[09:53] <giggsey> Seveas: http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/58
[09:53] <Choubaka> yahalom: you may want to edit /etc/hdparm.conf to make it permanent
[09:53] <Ryan_> cheers peeps :)
[09:53] <r0d> danba, thx for gui solution, but I'm looking for the file it uses
[09:53] <Seveas> r0d, bootup? you mean after logging in?
[09:53] <yahalom> Choubaka, but it took a sec for the logout screen to show. so i guess it works:)
[09:53] <r0d> Seveas, bootup
[09:53] <Choubaka> yahalom: hehe :P
[09:53] <yahalom> Choubaka, what do i change?
[09:53] <Seveas> hmm, during bootup ubuntu has no splash
[09:54] <Choubaka> uhh, well hmm.
[09:54] <danba> Seveas , r0d, are you sure you read the faq, r0d? it seems to refer a file...
[09:54] <giggsey> Seveas, http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/58
[09:54] <r0d> Seveas, in the grub installation i had a 'splash' image in the grub folder that you could change
[09:54] <danba> giggsey: patience is a virtue...
[09:54] <giggsey> kk
[09:54] <naapuri> cifs/smb problem solved: apt-get install smbfs, then manual mount.
[09:54] <giggsey> lol
[09:54] <Seveas> giggsey, do apt-get update
[09:54] <r0d> danba, not fulling, but I'm gonna look at it some more now. thx
[09:54] <WhiteDove> Hiya
[09:54] <Seveas> ah! during grub
[09:54] <yahalom> Choubaka, that doesnt make it permanent?
[09:55] <giggsey> its downloading some
[09:55] <r0d> :)
[09:55] <Choubaka> yahalom: no.
[09:55] <Choubaka> yahalom: I'll post an example config
[09:55] <Seveas> you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and put a 14-color xpm file in /boot/grub
[09:55] <yahalom> Choubaka, #	dma = on
[09:55] <yahalom> Choubaka, ok
[09:55] <Seveas> r0d, there is a howto on that on either the wiki or the forums
[09:55] <r0d> ah so thats the file, thx Seveas
[09:55] <r0d> yea danba just pointed it to me. thx
[09:56] <WhiteDove> Hello
[09:56] <danba> that one is not for the boot up splash, it is for what they call the gnome splash screen, right after you log in.
[09:56] <prasys> need help
[09:56] <prasys> okay , whenver i try to mount my NTFS Partition
[09:57] <tiger> thanks for the help :)
[09:57] <prasys> Konqueror says "i don't have premission"
[09:57] <giggsey> its working now i think
[09:57] <Madpilot> g'night, all.
[09:57] <prasys> nnite madpilot
[09:57] <prasys> *permisson
[09:57] <danba> prasys: how do you mount it? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions .
[09:57] <prasys> okay , but when i run it as root. I can view it
[09:57] <Seveas> prasys, add umask=0000 to the mount options
[09:57] <Choubaka> yahalom: http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/59
[09:57] <prasys> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda4 /mnt
[09:58] <Choubaka> DMA makes the biggest difference.
[09:58] <prasys> and /mnt is owned by root
[09:58] <prasys> and I Can't even change the permissons
[09:58] <Seveas> prasys, sudo mount -t /dev/hda4 /mnt -o umask=0000
[09:59] <prasys> i shall try that
[09:59] <danba> do you want it to mount automatically?
[09:59] <prasys> can
[09:59] <prasys> again , i can't acesss
[09:59] <prasys> but then if i go to /mnt and type ls
[10:00] <giggsey> How do I install a rpm?
[10:00] <prasys> i can see my windows files
[10:00] <jeff25> Seveas: why do you think backports suck?
[10:00] <Seveas> prasys, umount it first
[10:00] <danba> well, umount, yes.
[10:00] <prasys> giggsey > convert to deb with alien
[10:00] <Seveas> jeff25, because the tend to cause breakage
[10:00] <danba> giggsey: why, is it something that is not avaliable as a .deb?
[10:00] <prasys> seveas > how do i go about that
[10:00] <jeff25> Seveas: and why does that happen ?
[10:00] <Seveas> danba, umount /mnt
[10:00] <prasys> I Tried un-mounting . it says....i don't have the premisson again
[10:00] <giggsey> ill look for the .deb
[10:00] <yahalom> Choubaka, the focus is cdrom and hd right? mine are all commented out? i need to uncomment them, like urs?
[10:01] <danba> sudo umount /mnt
[10:01] <Seveas> jeff25, because the people who buikd the backports are not good enough at packagebuilding...
[10:01] <prasys> it says , its already mounted mutiple times
[10:01] <johnnybezak> how do i search apt from the cli
[10:01] <Seveas> prasys, umount -f /mnt
[10:01] <Seveas> several times :)
[10:01] <Seveas> johnnybezak, apt-cache search
[10:01] <danba> giggsey: sudo aptitude search '~nkeyword' helps, with searching.
[10:01] <jeff25> Seveas: ah
[10:01] <yahalom> Choubaka, what is this: #command_line {
[10:01] <yahalom> #       hdparm -q -m16 -q -W0 -q -d1 /dev/hda
[10:01] <yahalom> #}
[10:01] <yahalom> ?
[10:01] <jeff25> Seveas: what is a 'backport' anyway
[10:02] <yahalom> oops longer than i thought sorry
[10:02] <prasys> k
[10:02] <prasys> done
[10:02] <johnnybezak> whats the package i need for mp3 playback
[10:02] <Seveas> jeff25, a backport is a newer version of some package adapted to work in an older version of a distribution
[10:02] <Choubaka> yahalom: that's for defining a direct command to run
[10:02] <Seveas> (in this case)
[10:02] <jeff25> Seveas: ah
[10:02] <Seveas> prasys, now try mount
[10:02] <yahalom> Choubaka, should i remove that?
[10:02] <Seveas> prasys, sudo mount -t /dev/hda4 /mnt -o umask=0000
[10:02] <Seveas> prasys, sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda4 /mnt -o umask=0000
[10:02] <danba> you should really use aptitude, from command line, I hear.
[10:02] <Choubaka> yahalom: leave it commented out.
[10:03] <Seveas> danba, yes, aptitude rocks
[10:03] <Fator_Dee> yahalom: you can leave it commented out for foture reference
[10:03] <Fator_Dee> *future
[10:03] <Choubaka> it will have no effect with those #s in the beginning of the line :=
[10:03] <Choubaka> :) even
[10:03] <Dr_Melectaus> Compaq are a bunch of chunts!
[10:03] <danba> !restricted
[10:03] <Dr_Melectaus> I payed 500 pounds for a warranty there claiming i dont fucking have!
[10:03] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:03] <yahalom> Choubaka, and i have one /dev/cdroms and one /dev/cdrom what do i do? i have 2 cdroms, one writer and one plain
[10:04] <jeff25> Seveas: so what's the solution? Run old stuff ?
[10:04] <danba> johnnybezak: do what ubotu said.
[10:04] <Dr_Melectaus> FUCKING COMPAQ SCUM
[10:04] <yahalom> Fator_Dee, thanx
[10:04] <Seveas> jeff25, with a 6-month release schedule, there is no old stuff...
[10:04] <transgress> Dr_Melectaus: calm down in here... we aren't compaq...
[10:04] <Choubaka> yahalom: are they different physical drives?
[10:04] <Seveas> Dr_Melectaus, watch your language please...
[10:04] <Choubaka> yahalom: define sections for them too
[10:04] <yahalom> Choubaka, yes
[10:04] <transgress> night everyone
[10:04] <yahalom> Choubaka, no clue how to do that
[10:04] <Dr_Melectaus> sorry just i didnt think compaw where such scamming chunts
[10:05] <Dr_Melectaus> theyve nicked 500 quid from me the thieving gits
[10:05] <echelon_> yahalom, hi!
[10:05] <Seveas> Dr_Melectaus: Please keed the code of conduct in mind when chatting here. You can find it at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[10:05] <Choubaka> yahalom: with the syntax /device/file { options-each-on-their-own-line }
[10:05] <jeff25> Seveas: I agree with you though... backports packing people make some mistakes... for example the fluxbox 0.9.13 is broken.  I had to compile my own version and make a .deb for it.  They didn't compile it with the right configure switches
[10:05] <Jormundgand> I've never understood how people can confuse "were" (which rhymes with "fur") and "where" (which rhymes with "fair").
[10:05] <yahalom> Choubaka, i pasted the section: http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/60 can u check it out pls?
[10:05] <Choubaka> yahalom: just like in the examples of the config
[10:06] <Choubaka> yahalom: hmm
[10:06] <Choubaka> do you have a /dev/cdroms/cdrom0?
[10:06] <danba> Dr_Melectaus: quite amusing, well, do you have a receipt?
[10:06] <Dr_Melectaus> danba, yes i do
[10:06] <yahalom> Choubaka, yes
[10:06] <Choubaka> good
[10:06] <danba> well, it is legal proof.
[10:06] <yahalom> Choubaka, and dev/cdrom
[10:07] <Dalkus> If you own the English version of a game (as in, you have bought it) - would it be illegal to download a version of the game in another language? (for learning purposes?)
[10:07] <Choubaka> do ls -l /dev/cdrom
[10:07] <Dr_Melectaus> and those scrote sucking poo's are going to be getting a right earfull when i next contact them
[10:07] <jeff25> Seveas: since I'm an ex gentoo user, 6 months is a long time to wait.  I'm sure I'll be compiling stuff like fluxbox the day it hits the CVS server
[10:07] <Choubaka> Dalkus: probably :/
[10:07] <Choubaka> depends on the licence.
[10:07] <Dalkus> bah, sucks
[10:07] <Dalkus> okay, thanks
[10:07] <yahalom> Choubaka, lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 3 2005-05-31 09:15 /dev/cdrom -> hdc
[10:07] <Seveas> jeff25 ah :)
[10:07] <danba> Jormundgand: its getting hot in herr, so, I dont see what you mean...
[10:07] <Choubaka> yahalom: ok. and what about /dev/cdroms/cdrom0?
[10:08] <yahalom> Choubaka, lol nothing
[10:08] <yahalom> Choubaka, so i should just comment that out?
[10:08] <Choubaka> then you don't have it
[10:08] <Choubaka> eys.
[10:08] <Choubaka> yes*
[10:08] <danba> Dr_Melectaus: please understand the difference between a person lijke you workijng on the phone for a company, and the company's policy when you call the,.
[10:09] <Choubaka> so hmm, what's your other cdrom device then?
[10:09] <Dr_Melectaus> danba, sorry?
[10:09] <Choubaka> yahalom: ls -l /dev/cd* and tell me all but /dev/cdrom
[10:09] <yahalom> Choubaka, but i dont have to seperate entries for each drive. i have one entry for both drives. so unless i have cds in both i dont see them listed? get what i mean? can i change that?
[10:10] <yahalom> Choubaka, lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 3 2005-05-31 09:15 /dev/cdrom1 -> hdd
[10:10] <yahalom> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 3 2005-05-31 09:15 /dev/cdrw -> hdc
[10:10] <danba> do understand the difference between some kid working for compaq, taking calls on the phone from angry customers, and the company COmpaq when you do call.
[10:10] <Choubaka> yahalom: aha.
[10:10] <guran> Hi, I have a problem with ntp, when doing ntpdate I get not permited to a server used by Mandriva and ntp-genkeys doesn't exist?
[10:10] <yahalom> Choubaka, found it?
[10:10] <Choubaka> your second cdrom device is /dev/hdd
[10:10] <Choubaka> or /dev/cdrom1
[10:11] <Choubaka> see, it points to a different place than /dev/cdrom :)
[10:11] <yahalom> Choubaka, umm how do i know which one is it?
[10:11] <Choubaka> chances are hdd is the non-burner.