[20:21] <Meris> Hmm, someone care to help out with a USB mount problem on Ubuntu 12.04LTS? I have 5HDD partitions mounted. New USB storage devices that are attached won't even show up in lsusb, let alone be mounted as a disk volume. They do not even show up in the syslog. The devices are perfectly fine. On My MacBook, they mount without a hitch. The USB3-card involved seems to be fine as well, because when I attach a powered device such as my HDD Dock, it will register.
[20:21] <Meris> I'm not running any power-hungry apps right now.
[20:21] <Spine> thanks
[20:21] <jhutchins_wk> Meris: Do they show up in dmesg?
[20:22] <lolyp0p> escott, it was a screen "path"/permission problems, i'll look read about XAUTHORITY to solve the problem(probably), thanks a lot
[20:22] <Meris> jhutchins_wk, no, not even there, they do light up their leds though.
[20:22] <jacky_911> hi :) i would like to know all games on Steam like leaft4dead2 are currently not available to install on ubuntu, is it true ?
[20:22] <jhutchins_wk> lolyp0p: Right, by default you do not have permission to write to another user's screen.
[20:22] <escott> lolyp0p, be wary of anything that suggests xhost +localhost. there are better ways than hammers to open windows
[20:23] <lolyp0p> escott, jhutchins_wk, any main keywords for my man-ing and google-ing?
[20:24] <tgm4883> jacky_911, Some games are not available on Linux.
[20:24] <escott> lolyp0p, MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE and XAuthority. there should me a manpage for xauth as well
[20:24] <Meris> jacky_911, I have most of the Humble Bundle games, many of them with steam keys as extra's. Many of the Humble Bundle games are also for sale in the Software Center
[20:24] <jhutchins_wk> jacky_911: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=steam+on+ubuntu
[20:24] <Zentaur> hi
[20:25] <jacky_911> oki :) do you when all games will be available ? i don't want to comeback on windows anymore :D
[20:25] <tgm4883> jacky_911, when the developer of the specific game releases a Linux version to be included in steam
[20:25] <Zentaur> i can't connect to my ubuntu 12.04 shared folder via samba.
[20:25] <lolyp0p> escott, thanks a lot,
[20:25] <Zentaur> the laptop uses ubuntu 12.04 as well
[20:26] <jacky_911> oki thx for informations :)
[20:26] <Zentaur> i see the shared folder and i enter the domain, user and pass but it is not recognsed and it asks me again
[20:26] <OerHeks> jacky_911, you might want to check #ubuntu-steam too
[20:27] <Zentaur> could anybody help me?
[20:27] <jacky_911> thx sir :)
[20:27] <tgm4883> !details | Zentaur
[20:27] <Meris> jhutchins_wk, hang on, I do get some lines in dmesg after inserting a USB device, , notably this odd error:  hub 9-0:1.0: cannot reset port 1 (err = -19) and one  later : hub 9-0:1.0: cannot  disable port 1 (err = -19)
[20:29] <vhann> Does anybody know why the ubuntu installation ISO would hang at 'Installing the system...' (1%)?
[20:29] <Zentaur> ubuntu 12.04 in both machines. Serser machine configured with gui samba srver configuration.
[20:30] <Zentaur> ports opened in firewall. security "user" with encripted pass. No guest allowed
[20:30] <tgm4883> Zentaur, did you try USER@DOMAIN  for the user?
[20:30] <bekks> Zentaur: Which ports did you open?
[20:31] <amigamia> what version of virtual box should i be running in 10.04?
[20:32] <tgm4883> amigamia, the latest?
[20:32] <Zentaur> I activated the service with guf firewall. 135, 139, 445 tcp and 137, 138 udp
[20:32] <amigamia> should i apt-get or get it from virtualbox?
[20:33] <escott> amigamia, we would always recommend apt-get install
[20:33] <tgm4883> amigamia, either should be fine. The one from virtualbox can access the closed source bits
[20:33] <amigamia> umm escott...
[20:33] <Meris> amigamia, apt-getting it through the normal sources would probably net you a relatively old, yet stable version
[20:33] <amigamia> that isnt the way to always go since the repositories are not always maintained
[20:33] <BillyZane> hello
[20:33] <Zentaur> user@domain doesn't work :(
[20:33] <jhutchins_wk> Meris: How many ports do you have?
[20:34] <amigamia> well i encountered that whole  issue with bigbluebutton running via apt-get and it was way out off version...
[20:34] <amigamia> well let me do aptget
[20:34] <amigamia> thanks
[20:34] <escott> amigamia, so? thats the official supported version. if it doesn't work for you then you can get it your own way
[20:34] <jhutchins_wk> Meris: Keep trying ports until you get the next hub, or reset the hub, or bad hardware.
[20:34] <BillyZane> When I attempt to connect to my computer through SSH from a remote location, I am unable to load X. It's also very slow. Is there a way I can load X remotely in a very lite environment?
[20:34] <tgm4883> escott, I don't think there is an official supported version of virtualbox
[20:35] <Meris> jhutchins_wk, just a sec...I have 10 ports, of which 8 are USB 2, 2 are USB 3, on as separate card.
[20:35] <jhutchins_wk> BillyZane: for GUI over WAN people usually use VNC or RDP instead of direct X.
[20:35] <hcheng> hey guys
[20:35] <amigamia> escott if it's to levels behind how can it be the current level? that's the problem with maintainers....they disappear...
[20:35] <escott> tgm4883, there is the version in apt. it may be in universe but at least that one we know where it puts its files
[20:35] <hcheng> do you guys know how to create a private irc channel?
[20:36] <Meris> jhutchins_wk, I'll try the other ports attached to other internal hubs.
[20:36] <escott> amigamia, no thats because you are running 10.04
[20:36] <tgm4883> escott, yes, but by definition, if it's universe it's officially unsupported
[20:36] <BillyZane> jhutchins_wk: I would be connected directly over the internet.
[20:36] <Frederick> guys im facing issues installing kibana (www.kibana.org) Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid Lynx). When I do bundle install I get Bundler::GemfileNotFound but sudo gem install bundler seems oki. Any ideas? It really seems environment related
[20:36] <escott> amigamia, if you want more recent versions of software run a more recent release
[20:36] <BillyZane> jhutchins_wk: i'm going to google RDP
[20:36] <Frederick> Done installing documentation for bundler after 8 seconds
[20:36] <amigamia> no escott i'm running what google coders are using as the official version that they know works.
[20:37] <amigamia> anyway
[20:37] <amigamia> thanks
[20:37] <jhutchins_wk> amigamia: If maintainers disappear the package gets dropped.
[20:37] <amigamia> and that statement you just made escott is not valid :)
[20:37] <BillyZane> jhutchins_wk: I think RDP might require too much bandwidth. I want to access my home PC from school ( I don't have a laptop ), and I want to be able to load X so I can see the results of experiments with openGL
[20:37] <jhutchins_wk> amigamia: Perhaps you should consider running gentoo or lfs.
[20:38] <tgm4883> jhutchins_wk, stop. That isn't helpful
[20:38] <jhutchins_wk> !vnc
[20:38] <BillyZane> jhutchins_wk: I don't mind using VIM and terminal to do most of the work, I just need to be able to see some of my graphical results
[20:38] <escott> amigamia, not valid how? when the release is made the versions are fixed except for backports or security releases. with very few exceptions (ie firefox and thats about it) the release does not track upstream versions
[20:38] <amigamia> jhutchins_wk well is there anywhere someone can pick up the fumbled ball? cause there are plenty of talented people to take over
[20:38] <jhutchins_wk> BillyZane: So you just need to forward single apps, not a full X desktop?
[20:39] <BillyZane> jhutchins_wk: yes
[20:39] <tgm4883> amigamia, pick up what fumbled ball?
[20:39] <jhutchins_wk> amigamia: I'm sure your voluntary contributions would be appreciated.
[20:39] <amigamia> escott i dont feel like arguing i am looking for a solution
[20:39] <jhutchins_wk> amigamia: If the current package is actually not functional you should file a bug against it.
[20:39] <amigamia> well i dont know what i have to do
[20:39] <Meris> jhutchins_wk, it seems that my USB3 is wonky after all, one of the USB 2.0 ports worked well. It seems that I have to reseat or replace my USB3 card...Thanks for the hints :-)
[20:39] <bekks> BillyZane: Then just use nxclient/nxserver and provide the applications you need.
[20:39] <tgm4883> amigamia, 'apt-get install virtualbox'
[20:40] <BillyZane> bekks: I was going to experiment with openGL, the applications I would be running would be C++ programs most likely
[20:40] <amigamia> the google developers are so satisfied with the performance of 10.04 and their product simple as that. it works!
[20:40] <amigamia> anyway how long is 10.04 server supported?
[20:40] <escott> amigamia, you asked "should i install with apt-get or download and install on my own" the answer to that is always "apt-get" if you have some special need that is not being meet by the apt-get version you can download your own version, but you can't expect people in channel to know anything about that version of the package
[20:40] <tgm4883> amigamia, what does that have to do with anything?
[20:40] <bekks> BillyZane: Then you dont want to forward X, but use NX/VNC.
[20:40] <tgm4883> amigamia, 5 years
[20:41] <tgm4883> amigamia, so april 2015
[20:41] <BillyZane> bekks: ok, i'll google that
[20:41] <BillyZane> bekks: what does forwarding X do anyway?
[20:41] <jhutchins_wk> BillyZane: See the link that ubottu posted above.
[20:41] <bekks> BillyZane: X forwarding is insecure and slow.
[20:41] <amigamia> what if you have desktop with server lets say? desktop won't be updated but server services etc will be?
[20:41] <BillyZane> bekks. slow is not good!
[20:41] <jhutchins_wk> bekks: Not over ssh.
[20:41] <BillyZane> jhutchins_wk: ok
[20:42] <tgm4883> amigamia, 10.04 desktop is supported until april 2013
[20:42] <jhutchins_wk> BillyZane: If you have X forwarding enabled on ssh it means you can start an X application from the command line and it will display on your local desktop.
[20:42] <jbollden> byobu-question, when I start a byobu-screen with the -S option byobu says "No screen session found" down to the right, the screen session works and exists in <..>/screens/S-<username>/ . Any pointers?
[20:42] <amigamia> so doesnt that present a problem if you have server and desktop installed?
[20:42] <BillyZane> jhutchins_wk: that's what i would prefer, but is it fast?
[20:42] <bekks> jhutchins_wk: Even over SSH. XDCMP isnt a compressed protocol, it doesnt provide mechanisms of compressing data - it entirely relies (in that case) on the compression of SSH, which isnt pretty fast as well.
[20:43] <jhutchins_wk> bekks: Like VNC, ssh does compression, so just forwarding a single app instead of a whole desktop can work.
[20:43] <tgm4883> amigamia, no, but doesn't matter anyway as with 12.04, both desktop and server have 5 year support
[20:43] <Zentaur> any idea?
[20:43] <Meris> amigamia, it's probably best to start planning the upgrade process
[20:43] <BillyZane> jhutchins_wk: that's precisely what i want. i want to forward a single app
[20:43] <OerHeks> amigamia, it is not a problem, as it has been told to you.
[20:43] <amigamia> well the word upgrade makes me think in otherwords new builds
[20:43] <amigamia> new installs
[20:43] <domtron> hello I'm trying to set up a headless 12.10 server but am having some trouble with the static ip. I just wanted to check and see if the fact that my ethernet is called p10p1 instead of eth# would be a problem. note I have internet access with dhcp. also note i'm a noob to server administration :P.
[20:43] <amigamia> a lot of hard work
[20:43] <amigamia> ok
[20:44] <amigamia> amazing virtualbox isnt in the repository
[20:45] <BillyZane> jhutchins_wk: i'm reading the link regarding SSH
[20:45] <escott> !info virtualbox | amigamia
[20:45] <tgm4883> amigamia, it is in the repository
[20:45] <vhann> Anybody has an idea why the installer would hang for 10 minutes (and counting) at 'net-retriever:' on tty4 while tty1 is completely blank (purple)?
[20:45] <amigamia> wierd escott i cant get it
[20:45] <khaled> Hello, I just upgraded my Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and through addition driverse I choose the latest experimental nividia driver and I can't get the GUI working. Any ideas on how get it back working?
[20:45] <tgm4883> amigamia, oh my bad, in 10.04 it is named different. 'apt-get install virtualbox-ose'
[20:45] <genii-around> amigamia: You probably need universe repository enabled
[20:45] <Meris> amigamia, apt-cache search Virtual Box | grep -i 'virtual*box'
[20:45] <bekks> amigamia: I suggest using the official latest build from the official Oracle repo.
[20:45] <twmb> could somebody type 'sudo \mv ' and hit tab and tell me why it spams "bash: compopt: -o: option requires an argument compopt: usage: compopt [-o|+o option] [-DE] [name ...]"
[20:46] <escott> amigamia, its in universe so make sure that is enabled. its also possible it wasnt in lucid universe. i havent touched lucid in over two years now
[20:46] <escott> !info virtualbox lucid
[20:46] <amigamia> ok
[20:46] <tgm4883> !info virtualbox-ose lucid
[20:46] <amigamia> thanks meris ok escott
[20:46] <escott> thanks tgm4883
[20:46] <FreeRangeRadical> When I try to start my laptop running Ubuntu 12.10, Ubuntu starts then goes to a black screen with (initramfs). how do i get ubuntu to start? i'm using oneiric's cd in trial mode to get on here.
[20:46] <tgm4883> escott, nice, didn't know I could specify the release with !info
[20:47] <bekks> 3.1.6 isnt supported anymore by Oracle.
[20:47] <jbollden> anyone using byobu?
[20:47] <amigamia> oh well virtualbox isnt moving so i'll hvae to use vmware
[20:47] <tgm4883> bekks, who said it was?
[20:47] <amigamia> thanks
[20:47] <Meris> jbollden, yes, I am, why?
[20:47] <bekks> tgm4883: No one. I am just stating it.
[20:47] <jbollden> Meris: when I start a byobu-screen with the -S option byobu says "No screen session found" down to the right, the screen session works and exists in <..>/screens/S-<username>/ . Any pointers?
[20:47] <tgm4883> amigamia, depending on what you need. You could also use libvirt
[20:47] <kirkland> jbollden: whats up?
[20:47] <jbollden> kirkland: ^
[20:48] <lyppo_> hi guys
[20:48] <amigamia> yeppers virtualbox is history
[20:48] <khaled> I got error message, broken pipe. Any ideas on how to get the GUI working back please?
[20:48] <kirkland> jbollden: what version of byobu?
[20:48] <tgm4883> amigamia, or you could just use the oracle repo for virtualbox. You have many options
[20:48] <bekks> amigamia: Thats not true. There is an official repo for the latest official version.
[20:48] <jbollden> kirkland: 5.34
[20:49] <Meris> jbollden, did you try to attach the screen session to your byobu session?
[20:49] <jhutchins_wk> khaled: What were you doing?  Are you at a console now?
[20:49] <lyppo_> i have a doubt regarding LUKS, do i have to close (luksClose) my partitions mappings when i'm rebooting/shutdown the system? or leaving the partition unmounted is already enough?
[20:49] <khaled> jhutchins_wk: Yes, I am using the shell.
[20:49] <jbollden> Meris: you meen start the screen first and then via byobu? yes
[20:49] <jhutchins_wk> /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[20:49] <jhutchins_wk> khaled: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[20:50] <gac> hi all, I've just installed 12.04.2 LTS on an old iMac (2006 model, Core Duo), but I've got no wired/wireless networking making it ultimately useless. any links to a guide I should be following? I simply booted from the install CD by holding C when restarting and everything worked and installed fine, but now i've found i've got no connectivity...
[20:50] <escott> jhutchins_wk, gdm? not lightdm for this guy?
[20:51] <BillyZane> jhutchins_wk: i'm browsing this link and it only seems to talk about VNC. this is different from forwarding a single application, no? How can I do that?
[20:51] <khaled> jhutchins_wk: It looks like the gdm was uninstalled. I don't know how! So I am reinstalling it. Does it have any thing to do with installing the nividia property driver?
[20:51] <escott> khaled, its lightdm
[20:51] <escott> khaled, the default display manager has changed
[20:51] <Meris> jbollden, *via* byobu?, like byobu-screen -r [screen session name]?
[20:51] <OerHeks> !mac | gac see the mac community pages for your model
[20:52] <escott> khaled, so you should sudo service lightdm restart
[20:52] <khaled> escott: I did that and I still get blank black screen
[20:52] <Meris> gac, I have a 2007 model here, do you know what chipsets are used for those functions?
[20:52] <woobyet> msg nickserv identify nine_9 giq90k27f
[20:53] <gac> not off the top of my head
[20:53] <tgm4883> whoops
[20:53] <gac> i think marvell wired and broadcom wifi
[20:53] <k1l_> nine_9: change the pws :)
[20:53] <khaled> escott: I had this problem after using experimental propirty driver.
[20:53] <Meris> gac, both manufacturers are notoriously closed source.
[20:53] <jbollden> Meris: screen -S test ... then byobu -r test ... yes that works, but then I'm miss the status rows
[20:54] <WeThePeople> where do i turn down the mouse sensitivity
[20:54] <gac> Meris: i know broadcom aren't great, but I've used marvell NICs under linux before, on intel desktop motherboards
[20:54] <escott> khaled, yeah i wouldn't touch nvidia with a 10 ft pole
[20:54] <Meris> jbollden, I'm not sure how to fix that, sorry.
[20:55] <khaled> escott: Do you have any idea how can I uninstall it through terminal. Or anyway to fix this problem?
[20:56] <escott> !find nvidia | khaled
[20:56] <jbollden> Meris: if I do "byobu" , then "byobu -r" it is all well, but as soon as I try to name the screen session with -S it "breaks" =/
[20:56] <Meris> gac, I have a bargain-bin RealTek NIC in my desktop PC. I do not use my Marvell GBit connection anymore. It was too much of hassle to get it working under Linux (no matter the distro)
[20:56] <khaled> escott: Thanks!
[20:57] <khaled> escott: And then restart x server?
[20:57] <gac> Meris: strange, i'm sure mine worked without too many problems (the sky2 driver was buggy occasionally but worked for the most part)
[20:57] <Meris> jbollden, it might be that screen and byobu-screen have compatibility issues
[20:57] <OerHeks> gac, terminal: lspci < should tell you the model
[20:57] <gac> Meris: thanks for the info though, this was kind of just a test because i was intrigued whether it would work, i think i'll just throw snow leopard back on and at least make it usable again
[20:57] <escott> khaled, i dont have that hardware so i can't really tell you. i think nvidia creates and xorg.conf that might need to be removed
[20:58] <jbollden> Meris: hmm ok
[20:58] <Meris> gac, I'm a bit of a Stallman type when it comes to main drivers (notable exception being my nVidia GPU). I don't do wrappers ;-)
[20:58] <gac> Meris: indeed, i'd rather not as they're a bodge...as i say, i was at least expecting the marvell card to be supported with sky2 so i could use wired (don't really need wireless)
[20:58] <gac> but hey ho :D
[20:58] <khaled> !xorg.conf
[20:59] <pecc> System clock is set to update from Net but it doesn't do it. I don't have a CMOS for the time being (nutshell version: laptop spontaneously set itself on fire) and Google refuses to serve me because of the un-updating system clock. Whether the connection is wireless or wired has no effect.
[20:59] <Meris> gac, Snow Leopard was easily my favourite Mac OS, Such a shame Apple doesn't support that version anymore (Shakes fist in vain at corporate monster)
[20:59] <khaled> !restart X
[20:59] <khaled> escott: What is the command to restart the X server?
[21:00] <escott> khaled, the service lightdm restart
[21:00] <gac> Meris: i've never tried anything later as i'm not actually a mac fan, but i've not heard great things :)
[21:00] <danishengher> how can I change the output in alsamixer from audio jack to microphone, the audio jack is broken..
[21:01] <vhann> danishengher: You can't output on a microphone jack
[21:01] <danishengher> vhann: on windows I've did that
[21:01] <danishengher> vhann: and it worked
[21:01] <vhann> danishengher: Then it is not a "microphone jack"
[21:02] <vhann> Maybe it is an input/output jack
[21:02] <danishengher> vhann: however, how can I change the audio to be output on it?
[21:02] <Meris> gac, neither am I, I just needed a system that ran a couple of commercial software (Sadly I need some software for my studies that does not play nice with Wine ;_; ) MacOS seemed a better alternative than Windows. I'm used to Unixey type OS'es
[21:02] <vhann> danishengher: Nevertheless, F6 in alsamixer
[21:02] <vhann> should do what you want
[21:02] <danishengher> vhann: tried that..
[21:03] <escott> danishengher, if it is intel HDA you can try the HDA-analyzer tool
[21:03] <gac> Meris: mix of windows machines (mainly for games and corporate compatibility) and linux (for servers/VPS/HTPC) here. the mac was a scrapper from work that i thought i'd rescue, so i can try and figure out how OSX works (or mostly doesn't...)
[21:04] <danishengher> escott: i don't know exactly if it is intel HDA, in alsamixer when I type F6 I have HDA Nvidia...
[21:05] <escott> danishengher, intel HDA means the spec is intel HDA. if it is HDA it is intel HDA, the chipset could be anyones
[21:05] <escott> danishengher, but dont confuse your HDMI audio with your core audio. nvidia HDA could be the HDMI
[21:05] <khaled> escott: I did remove nvidia-common but it removed the package ubuntu-desktop along with it and when I tried reinstalling the package ubuntu-desktop it reinstall nvidia-common along with it.
[21:07] <Meris> gac, I also have WindowXP (dual-boot) on my MacBook (since the flaky EFI that came with it doesn't support anything more modern ;_;) I'll have to kick that off at the start of 2014, since it won't be supported anymore. Oh, well...
[21:07] <gac> Meris: hurrah for software life cycles, eh
[21:07] <gac> one of the reasons i liked the idea of ubuntu on this mac if i could get it working to a reasonable standard, would give it a bit more life
[21:07] <gac> but not to be :)
[21:08] <Meris> gac, yes, another thing why I love Unchained OS'es like Linux and *BSD
[21:08] <danishengher> escott: and what you suggest me to do?
[21:09] <danishengher> escott: I've ran hda analyzer; what I should change here?
[21:09] <Meris> gac, yes, a sensible thing to do. And it has nice audio ports (both copper and optical combined :-D ). Hmm, perfect for backing up my Vinyl.
[21:09] <Anoniman86> Is it safe to use xorg-edgers PPA for update mesa drivers and fglrx?
[21:10] <Meris> Anoniman86, I use it without any problems so far, but your mileage may vary,,,
[21:10] <escott> danishengher, its a rather complex tool, and i dont really have time to explain how it all works. presumably there is some documentation on the alsa site about what it does
[21:11] <francis> hello new out here i have trendnet wifi tew-643pc how do i get it to work
[21:11] <Meris> francis, please *pastebin* the output of lspci
[21:12] <francis> Meris pls how do i do it I m just a regular user
[21:13] <Meris> francis, open up a terminal screen (the black screen with the > in it) and type lspci > pcilist.txt
[21:13] <Meris> Afterwards, you can paste the contents of the file you got at paste.ubuntu.com
[21:14] <thebishop> francis, perhaps there should be an included gui tool for all this common debuggery
[21:14] <thebishop> one-click to pastebin lspci for example
[21:14] <thebishop> comes up all the damn time
[21:15] <OerHeks> !pastebinit
[21:15] <thebishop> or assuming all this crap is in the ubuntu "Sorry Your App Crashed, Bro" widget, provide all that data to the user in a zip file
[21:15] <Meris> OerHeks, nice one
[21:16] <SonikkuAmerica> Never knew that existed
[21:17] <thebishop> OerHeks, wouldn't help in this case.  if the problem is the terminal itself
[21:17] <Anoniman86> Can skype provide bad stability of fglrx drivers? I think that skype degrades my gaming peformance, cpu usage is not problem, it is driver problem after using skype
[21:18] <mizio> oila
[21:18] <Meris> Oerheks, works really well. Nifty :-)
[21:20] <jbollden> Meris: seems I found the problem, I rebuilt the package to not include the deps (the deps are installed before) and now it seems to work
[21:20] <escott> Anoniman86, skype doesn't use GL so its hard to imagine how it would
[21:20] <k1l_> Anoniman86: i dont think so.
[21:20] <TK-999> Skype needs an awful lot of libraries
[21:20] <Meris> jbollden, very nice, it won't update though when a new version comes out, better file a bug if this is supposed to work
[21:25] <krabador> hi, i've that http://paste.ubuntu.com/5632034/ , how can i do to set it as IEC958 ?
[21:30] <krabador> can you help me?
[21:30] <khaled__> escott: I removed the nvidia driver. And I got the GUI working, but everytime I start the PC. It keeps on loading showing the Ubuntu logo and I have to open the shell and restart the lightdm to get it working probably.
[21:32] <piero55> quit
[21:32] <sysop2> hi!
[21:33] <sysop2> how can I use logrotate to make sure there are never more than x number of log files, the problem is the program rotates the log itself it just does not cleanup after itself. so how can I use logrotate just to cleanup?
[21:34] <khaled__> escott: I will try rebooting and when I come back I'll let you know if you have any idea about what is happening
[21:36] <quidnunc> Where can I get ssl certificate fingerprints?
[21:37] <Trudko_> guys I have ubuntu server in vmplayer under the windows and how would I connect to it using putty? not sure if this is really ubuntu questions
[21:37] <Trudko_> question
[21:37] <krabador> hi, i've that http://paste.ubuntu.com/5632034/ , how can i do to set it as IEC958 ?
[21:37] <tgm4883> Trudko_, is the IP address for the guest OS on the same subnet?
[21:38] <tgm4883> Trudko_, is vmplayer in bridged networking mode?
[21:38] <Trudko_> tgm4883: we it is same pc
[21:38] <khaled__> escott: I am back incase if you have any hint
[21:39] <Trudko_> tgm4883: well it is on same pc and not it is not bridged it is NAT:used to share the hosts ip adress
[21:39] <tgm4883> Trudko_, did you try to just SSH to the IP address of the guest OS?
[21:39] <Trudko_> tgm4883:  what do you mean by guest os? do you mean OS under which vmplayer is running - in this caser my own pc?
[21:40] <tgm4883> Trudko_, no, that would be the host OS
[21:40] <TheLordOfTime> Trudko_, "Guest OS" means what's running in the VM.  Host OS is what's running the VMs.
[21:40] <tgm4883> Trudko_, the guest OS, is what is running in vmplayer
[21:40] <Trudko_> i see and to get guest os ip should I just use ifconfig in cmd?
[21:41] <tgm4883> Trudko_, you would do that in the guest OS
[21:41] <krabador> please help me, it's mute, and apparently right .....
[21:41] <Trudko_> tgm4883: but i want to connect form Host OS to Guest OS
[21:42] <tgm4883> Trudko_, do you know the IP address of the guest OS?
[21:42] <linux|newb> server 12.10 - can not get my nameserver addresses to remain how I want them... initially I changed them in resolv.conf and then read that will just get overwritten so have instead appended .../network/interfaces but still resolv.conf displays the ones dished up via dhcp before I set the interface to static.
[21:42] <linux|newb> any ideas?
[21:42] <Trudko_> tgm4883: well that is my guestion really what ip to use on my Host os to get to Guest os. should I just run ifconfig and see what ip it gives me?
[21:43] <cuiltalk> would appreciate some assistance  on the follow issue:   I am having  problems logging on the  Gui on Ubuntu 12.4 LTS . I  type the  password , but  kick  back  to the login screen.  when I attempt  login   with live cd   to rename the  "Xauthority"  file for a  possible  the  home   will only  mount as (ro)  with reiserfs file system. Next question is  how do get the reiserfs  file system to mount as (rw) from the terminal .. thank
[21:43] <tgm4883> Trudko_, on your host OS, I think you can use the IP address of your guest machine. So you need to go to the guest machine and run ifconfig to find the IP address
[21:43] <jhutchins_wk> linux|newb: Make sure you're not still running dhclient/network manager.
[21:44] <linux|newb> jhutchins_wk: ahaaa!
[21:44] <jhutchins_wk> cuiltalk: What's wrong with the console?  Can you log in there?
[21:44] <FreeRangeRadical> Today, when I tried to log on, my computer takes me to a black screen with <initramfs>. how do i get it to boot into ubuntu? If i go to the boot manager and select HDD, it will start ubuntu, then go back to the black screen. right now, i'm on oneiric running from CD.
[21:45] <cuiltalk>  no  I can't
[21:45] <jhutchins_wk> FreeRangeRadical: It sounds like it's not booting all the way.  need to pay attention to what errors it might display.
[21:46] <FreeRangeRadical> jhutchins: where would they be displayed? i've seen none in the 3 dozen or so times I've tried to boot.
[21:46] <linux|newb> jhutchins_wk: it needs disabling as opposed to just stopping, right? otherwise on the rare occassion I reboot, it'll just start again...
[21:46] <jhutchins_wk> cuiltalk: Soulds like you've run a filemanager or some GUI app with sudo and messed up the permissions of your home directory.
[21:46] <Trudko_> tgm4883: well it says that inet address is <IP_ADDRESS>  and using port 22 i get connection refused
[21:46] <tgm4883> Trudko_, did you install the ssh service in the guest OS?
[21:47] <Trudko_> yeah that would be problem i think not
[21:47] <Trudko_> yet
[21:47] <Trudko_> let me google it
[21:47] <tgm4883> Trudko_, 'apt-get install ssh'
[21:47] <jhutchins_wk> cuiltalk: sudo mount -o remount, rw
[21:47] <Trudko_> tgm4883: any additional setup?
[21:47] <tgm4883> Trudko_, no, it should auto start
[21:48] <Trudko_> thx that did a trick
[21:49] <Physicist> I have one little issue in my ubuntu desktop.. It is so much slow.. Preload does not wotk here, and I am with no patience...
[21:49] <tgm4883> yw
[21:49] <Physicist> There bootloader does not wrk too.. I am sad..
[21:50] <jhutchins_wk> Physicist: Slow compared to what?  What release are you running on what hardware?
[21:51] <Physicist> jhutchins_wk: UBUNTU 12.04 LTS - AMD 3500 A8 WITH RADEON 6620G - 1TB, 6GB.
[21:52] <jhutchins_wk> cuiltalk: If you remount it, then do sudo mount, does it show it remounted read/write?
[21:52] <johnjohn1013> is it ok to load the 13.04 wallpapers on 12.04?
[21:52] <jhutchins_wk> Physicist: So reasonable hardware, we are back to "slow compared to what"?
[21:52] <psil0cybin> hey guys quick question is it safe to install a deb from
[21:52] <psil0cybin> https://launchpad.net/
[21:52] <psil0cybin> ?
[21:52] <linux|newb> ...also, anyone know why my network ifc in ubuntu12.10 server is em1 and not eth0?
[21:52] <auronandace> johnjohn1013: a wallpaper is a wallpaper
[21:52] <FreeRangeRadical> jhutchins_wk: when i start ubuntu, i see no errors. where would i see them prior to the <initramfs> prompt?
[21:52] <tgm4883> psil0cybin, that isn't enough info
[21:52] <jhutchins_wk> linux|newb: Dell?
[21:52] <psil0cybin> i want to install this app
[21:53] <psil0cybin> https://launchpad.net/plymouth-manager
[21:53] <cuiltalk>  ok  wait
[21:53] <psil0cybin> i tried doing sudo apt-get install
[21:53] <psil0cybin> it cant find it
[21:53] <linux|newb> jhutchins_wk: HP Micro Server
[21:53] <cuiltalk>   let me
[21:53] <Physicist> jhutchins_wk: compared to "ubuntu" - it is a fast O.S.... right?
[21:53] <Physicist> jhutchins_wk: It is no
[21:53] <tgm4883> psil0cybin, do you trust Mario Guerriero?
[21:53] <Physicist> jhutchins_wk: It is not ok..
[21:53] <psil0cybin> i dunno im overly suspicious
[21:53] <jhutchins_wk> FreeRangeRadical: Try pressing escape after the grub menu starts to load, or edit the kernel parameters to eliminate "quiet".
[21:54] <psil0cybin> thats why i wanted to know what you guys thought cuz i was supposed to be able to get the app from using apt-get
[21:54] <tgm4883> psil0cybin, if you don't trust Mario Guerriero, then no
[21:54] <psil0cybin> but apparently, it isnt there.
[21:54] <psil0cybin> righto :) thanks
[21:54] <psil0cybin> better be safe than sorry
[21:55] <jhutchins_wk> linux|newb: In order to make it easier to figure out which port is which on newer multi-port servers they've changed the naming conventions in newer servers.
[21:55] <FreeRangeRadical> jhutchins_wk: how does one edit the kernel parameters?
[21:55] <linux|newb> jhutchins_wk: cheers
[21:55] <jhutchins_wk> em1 is the second (first?) embedded NIC, pci1 would be on a card, etc.
[21:56] <jhutchins_wk> FreeRangeRadical: Press esc at the gru boot menu.  Highlight the entry you want to modify and hit e.  Highlight the middle line and hit e again.  Enter to exit, b to boot.
[21:56] <psil0cybin> tgm4883, another question i added this in the process of trying to get the app ~$ sudo apt-add-repository ppa:mefrio-g/plymouthmanager
[21:56] <psil0cybin> how would i remove it from the repository
[21:56] <tgm4883> psil0cybin, sudo apt-add-repository -r ppa:mefrio-g/plymouthmanager
[21:56] <jhutchins_wk> FreeRangeRadical: Did this system ever boot after install?
[21:57] <psil0cybin> tgm4883, thank you!
[21:58] <FreeRangeRadical> jhutchins_wk: it has worked everyday since mid-october when 12.10 came out except the day after the a kernel update about a month ago. yesterday there was a kernel update, too.
[21:59] <psil0cybin> hey guys another quick question anyone know how i can change the bootscreen right after Grub, before the splash screen..currently i have Xubuntu in white and the dots under is there anyway to change that screen to just an image lets say?
[22:01] <krabador> hi, i've that http://paste.ubuntu.com/5632034/ , how can i do to set it as IEC958 ?
[22:01] <linux|newb> hmm, even with dhclient killed the changes don't stick after a restart of networking services
[22:02] <tgm4883> psil0cybin, that is the splash
[22:02] <tgm4883> !splash | psil0cybin
[22:03] <linux|newb> I just wanna be able to communicate by hostnames :(
[22:03] <rob_p> linux|newb: You can add the hostname mappings to your /etc/hosts file...
[22:04] <linux|newb> rob_p: yer, appreciate that, but it's a bit of a bodge
[22:04] <linux|newb> imo
[22:04] <tgm4883> linux|newb, netbios is a bit of a bodge
[22:05] <rob_p> linux|newb: So you presumably have a local nameserver that handles local lookups, and you want to use that nameserver?
[22:05] <CHIex|2> Hello, anybody knows of easy to setup software for limiting speed of internet on the computer with Ubuntu?
[22:05] <linux|newb> rob_p: yep - relying on router
[22:05] <_jason_> ha!
[22:06] <psil0cybin> tgm4883, im using xubuntu im guessing it woudnt be a gnome command
[22:06] <psil0cybin> sorry i forgot to say that
[22:06] <psil0cybin> or its still the same?
[22:07] <psil0cybin> and the splash screen is the screen before i even log in? I thought it was for after i logged in and logged off
[22:08] <rob_p> linux|newb: Why not just specify your local nameserver IP in the network settings within network-manager?
[22:08] <cuiltalk> ?DCC chat max401  how are you
[22:08] <tgm4883> psil0cybin, I've not heard that called the spash screen
[22:08] <tgm4883> psil0cybin, http://askubuntu.com/questions/70887/replace-the-xubuntu-11-10-splash-screen
[22:08] <tgm4883> psil0cybin, that's the best I can do
[22:09] <AndChat327600> Hh
[22:09] <tgm4883> rob_p, he's gone
[22:09] <AndChat327600> Polish irc where is
[22:09] <rob_p> tgm4883: ah, ok.  I filter parts and joins, hehe! :)
[22:09] <auronandace> !pl | AndChat327600
[22:10] <psil0cybin> tgm4883, The best you can do is good enough :) You have been a big help today! cheers
[22:10] <AndChat327600> Very thanks
[22:10] <psil0cybin> i loveee the ubuntu community :)
[22:10] <AndChat327600> Exit
[22:13] <k1lled> !bg
[22:15] <psil0cybin> wow bulgarian
[22:15] <psil0cybin> looks like russian :S
[22:15] <psil0cybin> looks like the news papers my dad reads
[22:17] <cuiltalk>   I  have trouble with the  remount
[22:18] <khaled__> I get an error when loading ubuntu "couldn't write byte: broken pipe" any ideas?
[22:18] <ikonia> khaled__: depends at what point
[22:19] <cuiltalk> *Jhutchins_wk*  are  you still out there  Jhutchins_wk
[22:20] <khaled__> ikonia: I have upgraded my Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and since then I have been getting a problem that the GUI doesn't start. And then I fixed it, but everytime the Ubuntu startsup I have to go to the Shell (F1) to sudo lightdm restart to get it working, otherwise the ubuntu logo keeps on loading forever
[22:20] <FreeRangeRadical> jhutchins_wk: i've downloaded a copy of 12.10. should I take the 11.10 disc that i'm running on right now out and put in the 12.10 disc, or what?
[22:20] <Guest25108> test
[22:20] <cuiltalk> * jhutchins_wk   I am getting the hang  of this. it has been a while,  jutchins_wk
[22:21] <ikonia> khaled__: still need more info
[22:23] <Bray90820> test
[22:26] <khaled__> ikonia: Tell me what can I do to send you more info, please help I had this problem for over a week
[22:26] <ikonia> khaled__: you need to work out what is complaining of a broken pipe
[22:26] <param_> how to make apache websver public assecible ?
[22:26] <ikonia> param_: assign it to an ip address on a public network
[22:27] <HateYoFace> is it a pain in the ass to dualboot windows 8 and ubuntu on a ssd?
[22:27] <ikonia> HateYoFace: SSD has nothing to do with it
[22:27] <param_> i am using trystack cloud
[22:27] <ikonia> HateYoFace: SSD's are just a disk
[22:27] <ikonia> HateYoFace: your bios/secure boot is the only real limit
[22:27] <param_> i installed apache2 on a cloud
[22:28] <param_> now when i host the website , i dont get anything on browser
[22:28] <khaled__> ikonia: I don't have enough knowledge to know, could you point me to what should I read or help?
[22:28] <ikonia> khaled__: run through the init scripts
[22:28] <HateYoFace> well i tried dual booting windows 8 and ubuntu awhile back and i was just frustrated
[22:28] <ikonia> param_: 1.) is apache running 2.) is it assigned to a public/interenet IP address
[22:28] <cuiltalk>  how to can reiserfs file system  be mount  with rw  permission from the terminal
[22:29] <HateYoFace> i ended up just reformatting and putting windows 8 back on but id really love to have ubuntu again for security purposes
[22:29] <param_> yes apache is running ..........
[22:29] <ikonia> cuiltalk: it mounts read / write by default
[22:29] <lily12> hi
[22:29] <ikonia> HateYoFace: for security purposes ?
[22:29] <param_> yes i assigned  it to a internet IP address
[22:29] <ikonia> param_: what is hte IP it's assigned to
[22:29] <param_> hey what would be servername ? will it be IP address of VM ?
[22:30] <HateYoFace> the fact you dont have to worry about virus's on linux and i can still back up all my stuff to my ubuntu partition and put it back if i had to restore windows
[22:30] <param_> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[22:30] <ikonia> param_: what did you set it to in the apache2.conf
[22:30] <ikonia> param_: you said you had set it...you should know what you set it to
[22:30] <cuiltalk> *ikonia*   For  some reason it  is not  mount  from the live cd  using ubuntu 12.4
[22:30] <ikonia> cuiltalk: please explain
[22:31] <param_> yes i set that ip only
[22:31] <cuiltalk>  *ikonia*  here is my situation :       I am having  problems logging on the  Gui on Ubuntu 12.4 LTS . I  type the  password , but  kick  back  to the login screen.  when I attempt  login   with live cd   to rename the  "Xauthority"  file for a  possible  the  home   will only  mount as (ro)  with reiserfs file system. Next question is  how do get the reiserfs  file system to mount as (rw) from the terminal .. thanks
[22:31] <ikonia> param_: can you show me the line in the config file you set it to please.
[22:31] <Bray90820> test
[22:31] <anew> to leave a tmux session running what do you do? just disconnect from putty and that's it ?
[22:31] <Bray90820> can you read me
[22:31] <khaled__> ikonia: What should I do with those scripts, I don't understand anything :D
[22:31] <Ponch0> test 1, 2
[22:31] <Ponch0> 1, 2, 3
[22:31] <HateYoFace> in the next disto of ubuntu is there gonna be a install alongside windows 8 option?
[22:31] <ikonia> cuiltalk: was /home created by the ubuntu install ?
[22:31] <genii-around> !test | Ponch0
[22:32] <Ponch0> thank you!
[22:32] <Artful> hey guys, I'm having a nightmare getting cedartrail-graphics-drivers package working on 12.04.2 -- any advice?
[22:32] <Ponch0> Today I learned
[22:33] <param_> hey ikonia    i set Document root in apache2.conf
[22:33] <ikonia> param_: that has nothing to do with the ip address
[22:33] <param_> didnt set any IP there
[22:33] <ikonia> param_: right, so that's why it's not working
[22:33] <ikonia> param_: you need to set it to a valid FQDN or IP address
[22:34]  * canihojr saluda
[22:34] <param_> oh ok , i set IP in httpd.conf
[22:34] <ikonia> param_: ubuntu doesn't use httpd.conf
[22:34] <ikonia> param_: please show me the output of "uname -a" please.
[22:35] <khaled__> ikonia: I am a normal user not computer expert who use Ubuntu for my daily activites. And as recommended to me that to run Ubuntu you don't have to be an expert. And I didn't play in anything I just updated the system and I got that problem, I don't know what to do.
[22:35] <ikonia> khaled__: have you had that problem since you installed ?
[22:36] <Bray90820> Can anyone read my text
[22:36] <param_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5632615/  ikonia
[22:36] <ikonia> Bray90820: be nice if you could stop testing please.
[22:36] <ikonia> param_: that's not an official ubuntu kernel
[22:36] <picca> i can Bry8Star
[22:36] <cuiltalk> *ikonia*  yes, but I  am using a  live boot to correct the  problem , My home  partition  in sda12 and  I mounting  it to   hmsda12 but getting ro
[22:36] <Bray90820> sorry i just didn't know if i was properly connected
[22:36] <khaled__> ikonia: No, it ran perfectly for over a year and it was very stable, until I updated the system. That's it!
[22:36] <ikonia> cuiltalk: mount -o rw
[22:37] <param_> oh ok , so whats the solution ? cant i host website onto this
[22:37] <cuiltalk>  *ikonia*   exampl
[22:37] <ikonia> cuiltalk: mount -o rw
[22:37] <ikonia> param_: no idea, - it's not an ubuntu install by the looks of it
[22:37] <ikonia> cuiltalk: I just gave you the flag
[22:37] <param_> you please tell what i need to enter in apache2.conf ....... let me give a try  .. how to write IP there
[22:38] <cuiltalk>  *ikonia*  ok  example is has follows:  mount  /dev/sda12  hmsda12   this give me a  read only
[22:38] <ikonia> param_: it's not an official ubuntu build, we don't support unofficial builds here
[22:38] <cuiltalk>  *ikonia* I will try  your suggestion
[22:38] <ikonia> cuiltalk: yes, you missed -o rw as I told you
[22:38] <param_> oh okies :)
[22:38] <johnjohn1013> will there be a 3.8 kernel for 12.04 anytime soon?
[22:38] <ikonia> johnjohn1013: doubtful
[22:39] <krims> is there a bug with the VPN service in 12.10 ?
[22:39] <ikonia> krims: look on launchpad.net
[22:39] <ikonia> krims: all logged bugs are there
[22:39] <cuiltalk> *ikonia*  it is still mounting as read only (ro)
[22:40] <param_> ikonia this ubuntu is just for testing pupose . nothing else
[22:40] <ikonia> cuiltalk: please show me the output of the command "mount" on it's own, use a pastebin
[22:40] <ikonia> param_: so ?
[22:40] <param_> its of trystack cloud, you might be familiar with it
[22:40] <krims> like a librarian on horseback
[22:40] <param_> openstack and all
[22:40] <cuiltalk> *ikonia* root@ubuntu:/# mount -o rw /dev/sda12 hmsda12  mount: warning: hmsda12 seems to be mounted read-only.
[22:40] <ikonia> cuiltalk: that's not what I asked for
[22:40] <Artful> anyone have working driver for gma 3600? -- having problems here
[22:40] <Ponch0> uhhh how do I accept the terms of service in #ubuntu+1
[22:41] <ikonia> cuiltalk: also hmsda12 is not a valid mountpoint
[22:41] <ikonia> Ponch0: what ?
[22:41] <ikonia> Ponch0: there are no terms of service, it's an IRC channel
[22:41] <Ponch0> ikonia: I dunno I feel like i'm muted in the channel I think I have to accept some terms about being logged no?
[22:41] <ikonia> Ponch0: you're not muted,
[22:41] <Ponch0> ikonia: heh I feel silly
[22:41] <param_> anyways thanks ikonia :)
[22:42] <ikonia> cuiltalk: umount hmsda12
[22:42] <ccvp> Hello fellow internet addicts - are we all looking forward to another long & glorious evening of watching irc text scroll up, getting lazy in our internet chair, and slouching back while playing pc games, having snakes, drinking some alcohol, and continuing our beloved tradition of yet another evnening on the Internatz? LawlZ
[22:42] <Ponch0> silly wabbit ubuntu is for ppl who understand computers
[22:42] <linuxdude_> hello
[22:42] <ikonia> cuiltalk: then sudo mount -o rw /dev/sda12 /some/mount/point
[22:42] <ikonia> Ponch0: please don't make pointless comments
[22:42] <khaled__> ikonia: I even tried apt-get --purge remove and reinstalled lightdm nvidi-current xorg
[22:42] <cuiltalk> *ikonia*  ok  the  hmsda12 the  folder that created as  a temp mount point  while using the live boot  environment
[22:42] <Ponch0> ikonia: my apolgoies.
[22:42] <ikonia> khaled__: seems a bit random
[22:43] <ikonia> khaled__: unless you know what's failing
[22:43] <cuiltalk> *ikonia*  when mount the  boot  partition   it works
[22:43] <ikonia> cuiltalk: sorry what ?
[22:43] <cuiltalk> *IkonIa* ok I will try
[22:44] <linuxdude_> Added background imagse to /usr/shar/background. Is there any better way of doing this http://askubuntu.com/a/168718
[22:44] <khaled__> ikonia: What I have to do to fix the problem is to restart the lightdm. Is there anything I can do to reinstall everything from the start without deleting anything.
[22:44] <Ponch0> Question, when I leave computer for a few, the screen shuts off and I can't log back in, I just see the mouse cursor, anyone know what may cause it?
[22:44] <ikonia> Ponch0: please ask in #ubuntu+1 - you're using 13.04
[22:44] <Ponch0> or how to fix it thorugh command line?
[22:44] <ikonia> Ponch0: please stop trying to bypass the topics
[22:44] <krabador> hi, i've that http://paste.ubuntu.com/5632034/ , how can i do to set it as IEC958 ?
[22:44] <Ponch0> ikonia: tough, ok sorry again
[22:45] <ikonia> khaled__: I have no idea what the issue is, without understanding the problem/failure
[22:46] <linuxdude_> Adding background images to /usr/share/background. Is there any better way of doing this http://askubuntu.com/a/168718
[22:47] <ikonia> linuxdude_: what ?
[22:47] <ikonia> linuxdude_: adding background images to a directory, is there a better way of adding files to a directoy ?
[22:47] <cuiltalk> *ikonia*   Ok  ikonia  , I must go now  but thank for your help
[22:48] <linuxdude_> No, I dont want to spam the irc, click on the link
[22:48] <ikonia> linuxdude_: no, I'm not clicking a link, just ask the question
[22:48] <Trudko_> guys i created dir under home/myuser/  new directory called worK?
[22:48] <Trudko_> work
[22:48] <linuxdude_> lol
[22:48] <Trudko_> using sudo mkdir work but now i cant copy files there i have permission deneid
[22:49] <ikonia> Trudko_: why did you use sudo
[22:49] <Trudko_> because i am relatively new to linux and i have no idea what am i doing ? :D
[22:49] <ikonia> Trudko_: no need for sudo
[22:49] <ikonia> Trudko_: sudo rm /home/myuser/work - then "mkdir /home/myuser/work"
[22:49] <MonkeyDust> Trudko_  inside /home/username, you don't need sudo
[22:50] <jhutchins_wk> Trudko_: When you used sudo, you created the directory as root.  The defalt permissions for the directory are that only the owner/creator can access it.
[22:51] <Trudko_> well if i was logged as user X and i used sudo folder shouldnt be X user able to access it? I loged remotely
[22:51] <ejv> probably best to checkout a book on linux basics from your local library
[22:51] <linuxdude_> I'm trying to display my added background pictures in the wallpaper folder.
[22:51] <jhutchins_wk> ejv: C'mon, all that stuff's on line these days.
[22:52] <jhutchins_wk> Ubuntu has console tutorials.
[22:52] <ikonia> https://help.ubuntu.com
[22:52] <ikonia> introduction to ubuntu
[22:52] <jhutchins_wk> Trudko_: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html http://www.linuxcommand.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html
[22:53] <ejv> nothing beats holding a text in your hand, reading documentation on a screen is awful, especially for extended periods of time
[22:53] <jhutchins_wk> ejv: Hence the great popularity and success of ebooks.
[22:53] <ejv> don't get me started on ebooks, equally terrible, DRM vermin.
[22:54] <Tex_Nick> Trudko_:  you might also have a look at this ... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[22:55] <param_> how to set IP address in apache.conf ?
[22:56] <jhutchins_wk> I need to move that first one to the end, nobody knows DOS/Windows console commands any more.
[22:56] <ikonia> param_: apologies if I didn't make that clear ealier
[22:56] <jhutchins_wk> param_: Listen
[22:56] <ikonia> param_: we don't support your custom ubuntu build here
[22:56] <ejv> param_: #apache
[22:56] <param_> okies
[22:56] <storrgie> how do I register a script in /etc/init.d so that I can start/stop/run it as a service?
[22:57] <ejv> he didn't say anything about a custom build, what are you talking about? lol
[22:57] <ikonia> ejv: his system is a virtual guest that they hoster has customized, we established this earlier
[22:58] <jhutchins_wk> ikonia: Not really gonna affect apache config.
[22:58] <ejv> treat his question seperately, just point him to #apache or this: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/bind.html
[22:58] <jhutchins_wk> ikonia: Is it more than just a kernel?
[22:58] <ikonia> jhutchins_wk: that doesn't matter, and you don't know what it effects as hyou don't know what he's customized
[22:58] <ikonia> we don't support custom spins - in any aspect
[22:58] <ikonia> ejv: the apache docs are not helpful due to the fact that ubuntu lays it out different than the apache standard
[22:59] <ikonia> ejv: and #apache is not the right channel, hence not pointing him there
[22:59] <ejv> im almost 99% certain there's a table in the apache online documentation that lists the changes in layout per distribution
[22:59] <ikonia> ejv: feel free to help him in another channel/private
[22:59] <ejv> forgive me, #httpd
[22:59] <ejv> there's a redirect in place. lol
[23:01] <jhutchins_wk> Dang, apache is VirtualHost, not Listen.  What's Listen from?
[23:01] <StephanC> Hello there, does anyone know how wallpapers get selected to become part of next Ubuntu Release?
[23:01] <ejv> i think you're missing the point ikonia, I haven't been following his history in here, but his question was pretty 'vanilla' to me, point the poor guy in the proper direction / pass the buck.
[23:01] <ikonia> ejv: I think you're missing the point, we don't support custom distrubtions here, because we don't know what's changed/not changed.
[23:02] <ejv> I haven't been following his history, his question made no mention of anything customized; I'm well aware of what's supported here.
[23:02] <ikonia> ejv: right, so it is a custom virtual build as I explained earlier, hence why "not supported here"
[23:03]  * ejv facepalms
[23:04] <Riley88> just out of curiousity has anyone here tried ubuntu tweak on 13.04 when i try to do the window manager options it gives an error
[23:04] <ikonia> Riley88: #ubuntu+1 is the correct channel for 13.04 discussion
[23:05] <FreeRangeRadical> when i try to boot, i get a black screen with <initramfs> on it, nothing else. Short of having to update from 11.10 to 12.04 to 12.10, is there any way to get this fixed?
[23:05] <StephanC> Reason I'm asking is that I took and processed a photo and put it up as a wallpaper on my desktop three months ago.  Everyone who walks by my workstation is quite impressed and/or wants it as desktop wallpaper as well.
[23:06] <Jeruvy> I want to make disk images of ext3/4 partitions to restore on (bigger) partitions Is there a recommended tool to use for this?
[23:06] <ejv> Jeruvy: man dd
[23:06] <jhutchins_wk> StephanC: see what package the default wallpapers are from.  Find the maintainer of that package, contact them and offer them the picture.
[23:06] <Jeruvy> ejv no thanks
[23:07] <ejv> ...
[23:07] <StephanC> Thanks jhutchins_wk! That's a good idea.
[23:07] <jhutchins_wk> Jeruvy: Wait, you not only want an incorrect answer, you want a *specific* incorrect answer?
[23:08] <Jeruvy> jhutchins_wk No silly, I want a tool that works.
[23:08] <jhutchins_wk> Jeruvy: You're the one who's being silly then.
[23:08] <ejv> I can barely contain myself.
[23:09] <Jeruvy> ejv what parameters would I use then smarty.
[23:09] <ejv> Please look at 'dd' again, it really is a great program, I challenge anyone to find something that does what it does.
[23:09] <jhutchins_wk> Jeruvy: man dd doesn't take any parameters - dd is the parameter that specifies the man page.
[23:09] <ejv> Jeruvy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DriveImaging#Backup_with_dd
[23:09] <Jeruvy> jhutchins_wk if you don't have any help to add them keep your comments to yourself, thanks
[23:10] <jhutchins_wk> Be rude.  See what kind of help it gets you.
[23:10] <Jeruvy> jhutchins_wk obviously none from you, so no loss there
[23:11]  * tgm4883 reads backlog
[23:11] <FreeRangeRadical> when i boot my machine, i get a black screen with <initramfs>. how do i get past this and boot ubuntu 12.10? it has worked fine except after kernel updates. the bios are updated.
[23:12] <ejv> Just check out the 'man dd' command and the link to the documentation I sent you. You'll be all set. GL.
[23:12] <Tex_Nick> is there a list of #ubuntu chanOps ?
[23:12] <Jeruvy> FreeRangeRadical you need to review the kernel log but it may be easier to pick an older kernal and boot from that.
[23:12] <ejv> ikonia is lurking Tex_Nick
[23:12] <ankk> hi
[23:13] <ankk> how can i reset all network settings
[23:13] <ankk> ubuntu doesnt see my ethernet and wireless devices
[23:13] <ankk> i can see them on lspci list
[23:13] <FreeRangeRadical> Jeruvy: how do i do that? i see no other options.
[23:13] <ejv> !enter | ankk
[23:13] <ankk> but i cant up them
[23:13] <ankk> do you want my question again?
[23:13] <Guest96410> r u on a virtual machine?
[23:13] <ejv> no, I assure you, we got it ha
[23:14] <ankk> Guest96410 no
[23:14] <jhutchins_wk> FreeRangeRadical: Were you unable to edit the kernel parameters?
[23:15] <FreeRangeRadical> jhutchins_wk: i still don't know what you mean by that. your description of what i would get was completely different than what I actually got.
[23:15] <Jeruvy> FreeRangeRadical do you get the grub boot menu?
[23:15] <FreeRangeRadical> Jeruvy: um...sure?
[23:16] <ejv> Ubuntu's shipped kernel carries support for a myriad of ethernet adapters ankk, try telling us a little more like what is the adapter, what module it is using (lspci -k), and any message of networking announcements in dmesg, do that all via a pastebin service. Good luck.
[23:16] <FreeRangeRadical> Jeruvy: i pressed f12 when the machine was starting, got a boot menu where i could choose the drive to boot from, if that's the grub.
[23:16] <jhutchins_wk> FreeRangeRadical: No, that's the BIOS boot menu.
[23:17] <ankk> ejv all of my adapters were working a few hours ago
[23:17] <FreeRangeRadical> jhutchins_wk: then i guess i'm not getting past that
[23:17] <ankk> after update something... first i lost wireless connection and then ethernet connection
[23:17] <jhutchins_wk> FreeRangeRadical: Nothing about grub loading?
[23:17] <Jeruvy> FreeRangeRadical during the boot hold down the right shift, if that doesn't work try Esc
[23:17] <wad> So I use my Gnome Terminal a TON. I've often got a dozen or so tabs open, logged into various machines, in various directories, running various programs, tailing various logs. The problem with my current version is that the currently active tab is too close in color to the inactive ones.
[23:18] <FreeRangeRadical> Jhutchins_wk: i have no idea what the grub is, so no.
[23:18] <wad> Looking around, I don't see an easy fix. Ideas? Ideally, it would be bright red or something like that.
[23:18] <jhutchins_wk> !grub
[23:18] <FreeRangeRadical> Jeruvy: should i stop the 12.10 download then? i'm running 11.10 from CD to be able to chat on here.
[23:19] <Jeruvy> FreeRangeRadical Sorry carry on, when its done try that from the broken system.
[23:19] <jhutchins_wk> FreeRangeRadical: GRand Unified Bootloader.  Responsible for loading the init software.
[23:19] <Jeruvy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[23:20] <ejv> ankk: if you believe something broke during the update, restart your system and choose the previous kernel version that's available to you; observe, test, etc.
[23:21] <FreeRangeRadical> Jeruvy: yes, i've gotten that screen. i've tried all 4 listed options, it will start ubuntu, then stop and take me to a black screen with <initramfs>.
[23:21] <ankk> on this age we already need lspci to setup network on linux... it is really bad
[23:22] <jwpierce3> trying out the latest live iso. Anyone installed ubuntu on zfs?
[23:22] <Jeruvy> FreeRangeRadical then you need to review the kernel log and see whats broken.  From the live cd you should be able to review it off the broken install.    Its found in /var/log
[23:22] <FreeRangeRadical> Jeruvy: i have a 12.10 image on SD. but when i've tried to get it to load from the bios boot manager, it won't start. any idea?
[23:23] <FreeRangeRadical> Jeruvy: it will say "broken" or how will i know what's wrong?
[23:23] <Jeruvy> FreeRangeRadical, you may need to copy and paste to pastebin, and link it here so we can review it with you.
[23:24] <ankk> My wireless adapter uses " Dell Wirelesss 1397 WLAN Mini
[23:24] <FreeRangeRadical> Jeruvy: ok, i've got the /var/log file open. which file do you want me to copy/paste?
[23:24] <Jeruvy> kernel.log I think its called.
[23:24] <ankk> My wireless adapter uses " Dell Wirelesss 1397 WLAN Mini-Card " for Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY
[23:25] <Jeruvy> FreeRangeRadical or kern.log
[23:25] <ankk> also Realtek RTL8101E/RTL8102E Express uses Dell Device 0434
[23:25] <FreeRangeRadical> Jeruvy: got it, but it's a big boy. what to show you?
[23:25] <ankk> ejv what should i check now
[23:26] <Jeruvy> FreeRangeRadical usually the last bit with errors.
[23:26] <FreeRangeRadical> Jeruvy: i copied a page full or so. paste it in here?
[23:27] <Jeruvy> !paste
[23:27] <Jeruvy> FreeRangeRadical ^^ there
[23:27] <FreeRangeRadical> ubottu: gotcha
[23:27] <FreeRangeRadical> k
[23:27] <FreeRangeRadical> Jeruvy: pasted
[23:28] <FreeRangeRadical> ubotto: thanks!! :)
[23:28] <k-man> when i try and do an aptitude upgrade, or apt-get install -f   i get this error:  http://pastie.org/6644411
[23:28] <Jeruvy> FreeRangeRadical link?
[23:29] <FreeRangeRadical> Jeruvy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5632746/
[23:30] <Jeruvy> FreeRangeRadical off the top of my head I'd say you have some hard disk problems.  Do you have another disk you can use?
[23:30] <FreeRangeRadical> Jeruvy: another disk? what kind of disk are we talking about?
[23:30] <Jeruvy> ubuntu kernel: [  217.160933] end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 151360360  <--that looks bad
[23:31] <Jeruvy> HDD FreeRangeRadical
[23:31] <jhutchins_wk> FreeRangeRadical: Bad news there.
[23:31] <FreeRangeRadical> Jeruvy: are you asking if i have another hard drive? if so, no.
[23:31] <jhutchins_wk> FreeRangeRadical: You do not have a hard drive, period.
[23:31] <jhutchins_wk> FreeRangeRadical: You have something that used to be a hard drive.
[23:32] <FreeRangeRadical> jhutchins_wk: this has happened before when the kernel was updated.
[23:32] <jhutchins_wk> FreeRangeRadical: Then it's probably been failing for a while.
[23:32] <jhutchins_wk> FreeRangeRadical: You can check the cables and try again, but the errors indicate hardware failure.
[23:32] <FreeRangeRadical> hmmmmm
[23:33] <Jeruvy> FreeRangeRadical that I agree with jhutchins_wk with.  Something seriously wrong with that disk.
[23:33] <jhutchins_wk> FreeRangeRadical: Sorry, but nosmoke.exe doesn't run on Linux.
[23:34] <jhutchins_wk> (Which is an oldschool joke about you can't fix hardware with software.)
[23:34] <jaake> http://ubottu.com/y/rn
[23:34] <FreeRangeRadical> Jeruvy: if that was so, would 11.10 be able to see that there's also 12.10 on this machine? because when i started to install 11.10 to see if there was a way to go directly to 12.10, it asked how i wanted to partition the drive.
[23:35] <Jeruvy> FreeRangeRadical I wouldn't trust that drive, it may behave to some extent, but its just a disaster waiting to happen.
[23:36] <FreeRangeRadical> Jeruvy: noted. i'm going to do it the long way and install 11.10 and upgrade. that's what i had to do last time after a couple hours in here, same as today. thanks, though!
[23:37] <k-man> can i force the uninstall of a partially configured package
[23:38] <tadpole> sudo apt-get purge whatever
[23:40] <raj> is there a package in apt that will allow me to split an mpeg video?
[23:40] <madam> Did an update of 12.10 security patches and fixes... refuses to reboot. Hangs at the "starting timidity++ Alsa midi emulation" part.
[23:40] <madam> Recovery menu: (file system state: read only) - so how do I get around the hang?
[23:40] <madam>  Can I edit out the problem code and just bypass it?
[23:40] <madam> If so how?
[23:40] <madam> Any ideas on the subject?
[23:40] <FloodBot1> madam: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:41] <k-man> thanks tadpole
[23:41] <tadpole> No problem.
[23:42] <k-man> when i try and reinstall extlinux, i get this error:   P: Installing debian theme...cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/syslinux/themes/debian-squeeze/extlinux/memtest.bin': No such file or directory
[23:42] <k-man> seems a bit odd
[23:45] <madam> Did an update of 12.10 security patches and fixes... refuses to reboot. Hangs at the "starting timidity++ Alsa midi emulation" part.
[23:45] <madam> Recovery menu: (file system state: read only) - so how do I get around the hang?
[23:45] <madam>  Can I edit out the problem code and just bypass it?
[23:46] <k-man> ah, fixed it, I needed to install memtest86+
[23:46] <lousygarua> madam, you can try using a live USB
[23:46] <lousygarua> madam, fix/edit files
[23:47] <astropirate> hello all
[23:47] <countley> yo yo
[23:47] <astropirate> Whats the best laptop I can get that runs ubuntu perfectly
[23:47] <astropirate> i want the best money can buy :D its being paid for
[23:47] <ankk> hi
[23:47] <countley> sony
[23:47] <ankk> ubuntu opens Home window on every boot automaticly
[23:47] <ankk> how can i stop that?
[23:48] <lagreca> Hi, folks! How can I export or backup highlights and annotations that I've made in my ebooks using Adobe Digital Editions 2? thanks.
[23:48] <madam> Yeah.....  I think if I can edit out the bit on the "starting Timidity", the rest of the boot sequence SHOULD go ok.
[23:49] <madam> The best laptop? How muchmoney have you got? and How much are you prepared to waste, above and beyond your actual needs?
[23:49] <madam> I use an ACER D270 netbook, because it is small, light and has enough features, and is very portable.
[23:50] <madam> And it only costs $240Au
[23:51] <madam> It also only uses 15W flat out, which is good when using solar power, instead of a big computer that uses 160+ watts, just to do internet stuff
[23:51] <edu> I'm trying to use mutt+PGP, but if my receiver doesn't have a public key, how can I disable encriptation? mutt is asking me her public key in my key-list but i don't have it (and mi receiver dooesn't created one).
[23:54] <tonyhughes> madam, low power is great. My dual core desktop use 35watts at the wall. Not quite as good as the netbook, but decent CPU/RAM and storage, plus all my peripherals connected.
[23:55] <ankk> ubuntu opens Home window on every boot automaticly
[23:55] <ankk> how can i stop that?
[23:56] <holstein> ankk: home window?
[23:58] <Guest37873> hii quick question. who can i know what video driver i am running?
[23:58] <Guest37873> inxi -Gx dont work in ubuntu :/
[23:58] <holstein> Guest37873: you can... run lspci for your hardware
[23:59] <Guest37873> i know my graphic card model. i wanna know the version for my driver
[23:59] <holstein> Guest37873: lspci -vv or lspci  -mm | grep VGA
[23:59] <Arkthik> test
[23:59] <Ben64> Guest37873: lshw -C VIDEO | grep driver


[23:36] <JoshieS> what are the system requirements?
[23:38] <JoshieS> hello?
[23:38] <JoshieS> anyone?
[23:43] <acerimmer> JoshieS: for what?  more info
[23:44] <JoshieS> uhhh... the Ubuntu Studio
[23:44] <acerimmer> google is your friend
[23:45] <JoshieS> ok


[05:29] <cjwatson> infinity: Could I persuade you to hint some bad autopkgtests for me?  I've been working on fixing most of them properly and I still have some bits to go, but I think this is all or nearly all of the really hard ones where I have no idea how to go about fixing them in the packages themselves.  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14256301/
[05:35] <cjwatson> There are a few things that will probably need to turn into removals, and we need to figure out what's up with the sbuild/{armhf,s390x} autopkgtests since those look a bit worrying, but very nearly everything else is good now.
[15:22] <cjwatson> slangasek: I think s390x could reasonably be taken out of NEW_ARCHES at this point (in lp:~ubuntu-release/britney/britney1-ubuntu)
[15:22] <cjwatson> slangasek: Also do you think you could add s390x to the various places where ppc64el (and other similar arches) are listed in fauxpkg/FauxPackages in that branch?
[17:46] <infinity> cjwatson: Done the two things you asked Steve for, looking at the autopkgtest things now.
[20:08] <darkxst> infinity, here seems to be little point running Alpha 1 when ubiquity is broken on all (atleast most) flavours.


[01:10] <levander> Is there a page that documents the advantage of running Ubuntu Server over regular Ubuntu?    There's got to be some advantage.
[01:13] <dendrobates> there is more to a server distrobution than apache
[01:13] <levander> dendrobates: Is there any page explaining to me what these differences are?
[01:14] <dendrobates> uch smaller.
[01:14] <kgoetz> levander: wtf are you going on about?
[01:14] <dendrobates> there is a different kernel, no gui, and the package list is much smaller
[01:15] <levander> I'm just doing a small DNS server, apache2, a mail server, mysql.  Maybe I'm not the target candidate for Ubuntu Server?
[01:15] <levander> Why do they have a different kernel?
[01:15] <dendrobates> there are different needs for server and desktop.
[01:15] <levander> dendrobates: What kernel do they have?
[01:16] <levander> dendrobates: What are these differences?
[01:16] <dendrobates> different config
[01:16] <levander> ah, yeah
[01:16] <dendrobates> upstream version, but a different congih
[01:16] <levander> I guess I'm just in a weird situation, because this is actually just a small home server, not a production server.
[01:17] <dendrobates> it is fine to use the server packages in ubuntu desktop if you feel more comfortable with that
[01:18] <levander> dendrobates: I'm just trying to decide what's better for me.  I'd be comfortable with either.
[01:18] <dendrobates> is it on server hardware?
[01:19] <levander> No, it's just an old AMD 1800+ that I want to run the above listed server software on.
[01:19] <levander> On thing I'm wondering is how much trouble it's gonig to cause my booting this machine without a monitor attached.
[01:19] <dendrobates> ubuntu server has a smaller memory footprint and installs much less cruft.
[01:20] <dendrobates> basically why would you install/run the desktop apps if you do not need them.
[01:20] <levander> I got a GB of RAM and 40 GB of hard disk, but I guess it using less RAM could come in handy.
[01:21] <levander> dendrobates: Yeah, it's not the idea that I'll run desktop apps on it.  But, I guess if the box goes down with serious problem, it would be nice to attach a monitor to it.
[01:21] <dendrobates> you can still use a monitor, just no x.
[01:21] <levander> I see on ubuntu.com that they've got an integrated LAMP install.  But, I'm not using PHP, which I understand is the bitch in that config.
[01:22] <dendrobates> you don't have to install the lamp stack.  You can apt-get apache
[01:22] <levander> Yeah, I was just saying that looks like a big advantage of Ubuntu Server, if you're using PHP that is.
[01:23] <dendrobates> you can always install server and do an apt-get install ubuntu-desktop if you change your mind.
[02:31] <jetole> hey guys, does anyone know where I can find a listing of say all apnic ip address ranges or all ripe... well more specifically apnix
[02:31] <jetole> *apnic
[02:32] <kgoetz> you'd have to check their website probably
[02:32] <jetole> yeah... do you know where, I assume it is a common place since the host tool on everyones computer queries the proper RIR
[02:33] <jetole> whois tool does as well
[02:34] <kgoetz> whois.apnic.net ?
[02:35] <jetole> right, I am actually looking for a list of all apnic IP
[02:35] <jetole> whois <IP_ADDRESS>/16 queries RIPE, how does my whois tool know it is a RIPE IP?
[02:36] <kgoetz> the dns server/s tell it
[02:36] <jetole> hmmmm
[02:37] <jetole> if I wanted to firewall every asian ip from connecting to port 25... can anyone think of a method?
[02:39] <kgoetz> SMTP? it would probably be easier to reject all .cn .jp etc domains
[02:43] <jetole> kgoetz: yeah... not really
[02:44] <jetole> out of 640 hosts analyzed in my SMTP records for today, 222 had NXDOMAIN entries i.e. no DNS PTR
[02:44] <jetole> and of coarse we get spam for canadian viagra that canadian-viagra.com (forget the real website name) points to jp
[02:45] <kgoetz> jetole: so perhaps not accepting from host without valid dns would work best for you
[02:45] <jetole> well we have started implementing that as well as a lot of anti spam features but frankly I am about to ready to say fsck asia on the SMTP level
[02:46] <jetole> grey lists don't seem to work because there seems to be a lot of broken legitimate SMTP servers out there and they mean too much to the corperation to just tell them they are broken and let us know when they are fixed
[02:47] <jetole> one of them I saw today in the logs belonged to some news company called dispatch.com or .net
[02:47] <kgoetz> something like spamcop RBL+not accepting from invalid dns should help a lot
[02:48] <jetole> well spamcop is on the list but it is providing temporary issues atm
[02:48] <ajmitch> blacklisting everyone in APNIC makes a lot of people very very unhappy
[02:48]  * kgoetz included
[02:48] <jetole> ajmitch: asian people?
[02:48] <ajmitch> pretty much anyone in australia or NZ
[02:48] <jetole> oh
[02:48] <jetole> ...
[02:48] <jetole> yeah that doesn't help
[02:48] <kgoetz> jetole: the P stands for Pacific
[02:49] <jetole> yeah but the A stand for asian ;)
[02:49] <kgoetz> Asia to be picky
[02:49] <ajmitch> and you're talking to people in the APNIC range at the moment :)
[02:49] <jetole> kidding, well I mean I am not but I understand what you mean
[02:50]  * ajmitch really doesn't like trying to explain to customers why mail doesn't get through
[02:52] <jetole> ajmitch: yeah, our partnership department had to do that today @ grey listing
[02:52] <kgoetz> greylisting is evil (from what i hear)
[02:53] <jetole> kgoetz: grey listing is great, broken legitimate mail servers are whats evil
[02:54] <kgoetz> 4517   Reject RBL                                87.91%
[02:54] <kgoetz> our one blacklist (which i forget where its from)
[02:54] <jetole> grey listing is fully SMTP compliant and does not break protocol, if a mail server cannot communicate with a grey listed server then from time to time it may not communicate with any other server either and mail is lost
[02:55] <jetole> all grey listing does is the server initially issues a try back later code, SMTP 452
[02:56] <jetole> if a SMTP server gets the code from another server and does not retry then the server is broken
[02:56] <jetole> EOF
[03:56] <ScottK> kgoetz: There's really no evil in greylisting, but I do get sick of not getting my mail instantly.
[06:51] <ScottK> lamont: Thanks for the mail.
[06:54] <lamont> np
[06:54] <lamont> sorry for the delay - it's been an interestingly busy afternoon/evening
[06:54] <lamont> and now to bed.
[06:57] <Kalamansi> ScottK lamont : i have server ubunt 7.10 desktop. running on firestarter as firewall. how to filter the downloads of my pc2 and pc3 when they download a file? pc1 is my server.
[06:57] <Kalamansi> filter or auto scan by with anti virus
[06:57] <Kalamansi> in ubuntu server
[06:57] <kgoetz> set it up as a proxy
[06:58] <ScottK> Kalamansi: This is not, however, a desktop support channel.  Try #ubuntu
[06:58] <kgoetz> you'll want clamav+probably squid
[06:59] <Kalamansi> ScottK i have installed CLI server too still underconstruction because i dont know how to configure a firestarter in CLI
[06:59] <Kalamansi> thanks kgoetz
[06:59] <ScottK> Isn't firstarter just a gui for iptables?
[07:00] <ScottK> firstarter/firestarter
[07:00] <kgoetz> yeah
[07:00] <Kalamansi> ScottK : ahh ok i got it
[07:00] <Kalamansi> so whats the other alternative for CLI server aside from firestarter?
[07:00] <ScottK> iptables
[07:01] <kgoetz> or save your rules after makin them with firestarter and load it onto the server
[07:01] <ScottK> I've never done it, but I believe you can set up firestarter on one box and then copy the iptables rules it produces to another.  That's not, however, a complete substitute for knowing what you're doing.
[07:01] <Kalamansi> ScottK : do you have tutorials and howto? configuring a server just for internet sharing, traffic shaping and dhcp or assigning ip?
[07:02] <ScottK> I don't, but Google does.
[07:02] <Kalamansi> ScottK : how to locate the iptables of firestarter? or the .conf of the firestarter kgotz?
[07:02] <Kalamansi> kgoetz*
[07:02] <kgoetz> Kalamansi: no idea
[07:03]  * ScottK neither
[07:03] <ScottK> I suspect the firestarter documentation would be a good place to start.
[07:04]  * ScottK is going to quit and go to bed before he starts mumbling about consulting rates.
[07:04] <ScottK> Good night.
[07:04] <Kalamansi> ScottK : kgoetz : is it okay to use dhcp to pc2 and pc3 or better to assign each pc an ip?
[07:04] <kgoetz> ScottK: later mate
[07:04] <kgoetz> Kalamansi: much of a muchness
[07:11] <Kalamansi> kgoetz : you mean better to assign ip each pc?
[07:13] <kgoetz> Kalamansi: i mean it doesnt matter
[07:13] <kgoetz> afk , going home
[07:13] <Kalamansi> thanks
[07:13] <Kalamansi> thanks mate
[08:22] <kraut> moin
[08:34] <Kalamansi> kraut sup
[08:34] <Kalamansi> kraut : how to save my config? when i type this "ip addr add <IP_ADDRESS>/24 dev eth1, udo ifconfig eth1 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>,echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and pc2 then pc3 can connect to the internet..i reboot my server, after backing up, and do a ifconfig all that i entered in eth1 was gone... and pc2 / pc3 cant connect to the internet.. how to solve this problem?
[08:36] <kraut> write it down into /etc/network/interfaces
[08:36] <Kalamansi> i see
[08:36] <Kalamansi> thanks
[08:36] <kraut> how to use this file is described in man interfaces
[08:37] <Kalamansi> kraut : what kind of apps is good for logging or process of workstations? like log all yahoo messenger chats and msn chats?
[08:38] <kraut> what exactly do you mean and what do you want to log?
[08:38] <kraut> linux use a syslog-facility. everything system-relevant can be found in /var/log
[08:40] <Kalamansi> kraut : is there any applications to install, like for example a application that can logs or chats that came from yahoo messenger and msn chats?
[08:40] <Kalamansi> logs all chats
[08:41] <kraut> that's application dependend. also this is #ubuntu-_server_, please remember this!
[08:42] <Kalamansi> ok ok but still it is installed in ubuntu server
[08:42] <kraut> of course it is, but that are desktop-applications
[08:43] <kraut> and it's stupid to install desktop-applications on a server-distro. of course it's possible, but nobody does this.
[08:45] <Kalamansi> kraut : i usually (but not many times) ..when my isp disconnected, i always dial so that i could connect using a windows os dialer then unplug the cable rj45 then put it back to server..how to config the server and let the server to dial my isp?my setup is isp's modem---server ubuntu pc1 --- switch --- pc1 and pc2 ..
[08:47] <kraut> erm, how do you dial? PPPoE?
[08:47] <Kalamansi> yeah PPPoE they give me login and password (3mbps)
[08:48] <kraut> normal dsl-connection?
[08:48] <Kalamansi> how do i dial? i use windows box then plug the modem wire to the nic, then dial.if get connected, i unplug the modem cable wire and transfer to ubuntu box
[08:49] <Kalamansi> yes dsl connection
[08:49] <kraut> do you understand german?
[08:50] <Kalamansi> i cannot understand german
[08:50] <kraut> hmm, then have a look on pppoeconf
[08:50] <kraut> it's easy to handle and will guide you through the config
[08:50] <Kalamansi> how to access pppoeconf?
[08:50] <kraut> anyhow, the linux-dialer is called ppp, it creates the pppoe-tunnel to your dslam
[08:51] <kraut> apt-cache search pppoeconf?
[08:52] <Kalamansi> i see
[08:56] <Kalamansi> thanks kraut
[08:56] <Kalamansi> =)
[08:56] <kraut> np
[08:57] <kraut> you should use google for example more in future
[08:57] <kraut> you could handle this easy thinks on your own if you search a bit
[08:59] <Kalamansi> one last question kraut before i go, how to filter all download of pc2 and pc3? im not sure if there is anti virus in console
[08:59] <kraut> there isn't a free and good soloution
[09:00] <kraut> please try first to understand linux and how it works, then take care on special topics like that
[09:00] <Kalamansi> so its okay to use CLI than GUI servers?
[09:01] <kraut> what?
[09:01] <kraut> a server is a server and a desktop is a desktop
[09:02] <Kalamansi> yes but i dont really get it..why others want a desktop server and others want server without x window..which is really safe? server with desktop or server without x window?
[09:03] <_ruben> x is both insecure and a resource hog, avoid installing on a server when possible
[09:05] <kraut> Kalamansi: _ruben got the point exactly
[09:05] <kraut> and installing a window-manager will bloat your package-list
[16:12] <ScottK> Debian Bug #311812
[16:12] <ubotu> Debian bug 311812 in postfix "postfix: syslog reconnection" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/311812
[16:16] <XiXaQ> Isn't it very strange that Ubuntu still doesn't have a package for freenx?
[16:18] <ScottK> Does Debian have one?
[16:19] <XiXaQ> several. I think all of the other distros of some size has them.
[16:19] <dantalizing> search gave no results at packages.debian.org
[16:20] <XiXaQ> I don't know if they're in their repositories.
[16:23] <kriel> Okay, here's a strange question. I'm currently in the process of remapping my network, so my server currently has two active interfaces. However, my sshd only listens to one interface (eth0). Is there any way to coax my sshd into listening to both interfaces?
[16:24] <lamont> ScottK: yeah - that's a syslog bug that affects postfix... :-)
[16:25] <ScottK> lamont: Please fix.  kthnxbye
[16:25] <lamont> and requires a change in postfix to use the non-existant syslog package interface for adding $CHROOT/dev/log
[16:25] <lamont> please work with the debian syslog maintainer on how to add additional log files to syslogd
[16:25] <ScottK> Cool.  Sounds like you've got it handled.
[16:26] <ScottK> lamont: Any thoughts on adding the VDA patch to your Postfix package?
[16:26] <lamont> remind me of what VDA is
[16:27] <ScottK> Virtual Delivery Agent
[16:27] <ScottK> Allows some kind of soft bounce quota thingy.
[16:28] <ScottK> IIRC, the last comment on it I saw from Weitse was "Doesn't meet Postfix quality standards".
[16:28] <lamont> is that the stupid half-ass quotas-sort-of for virtual mailboxen?
[16:28] <ScottK> Yeah  That one.
[16:28] <lamont> sounds like the same thing.  and yeah.  fails.
[16:28] <ScottK> OK.  You may want to read the ubuntu-server ML and weigh in on the ebox thread.
[16:28] <lamont> I believe my last comment on the bug is something of the form "I'll provide this when it comes down from upstream. kthx"
[16:29] <lamont> sigh.  I'll take a look at that later today, I guess.
[16:30] <sommer> ScottK: are you thinking they'll ship a different version of postfix?
[16:30]  * sommer found the eBox udpate very interesting
[16:30] <ScottK> sommer: I'm thinking they'll want us to patch our postfix when we integrate ebox.
[16:31] <ScottK> That, or, even worse, ship their own in the package.  That horror hadn't even ocurred to me.
[16:31] <lamont> and the patch fails to meet quality standards, so they'll need to update it.
[16:31] <sommer> from the language used my impression was they were shipping their own, but obviously it's still being developed
[16:32] <sommer> couldn't you configure filesystem quotas to give you a similar result?
[16:32] <ScottK> sommer: I believe ebox upstream is shipping their own.  Dunno what'll happen with the Ubuntu packages
[16:32]  * ScottK doesn't have time to get into it right now.
[16:33] <ScottK> sommer: Short version is almost, but not quite.
[16:33] <sommer> ScottK: gotcha, thanks
[16:34] <nealmcb> yeah - I'm glad to see the ebox conversation starting - it is a big challenge, and we really need something to bring servers to a wider audience
[16:36] <sommer> nealmcb: seems like the biggest challenge is the large amount of options used to configure server apps, and how do you translate that to a web interface
[16:43] <foolano> ScottK: so far we are shipping our own postfix package
[16:43] <ScottK> foolano: Right, but we don't want two postfix in Ubuntu.
[16:43] <foolano> but as i just said on the mailing list we can easily strip out that part from the code
[16:44] <foolano> no problem
[16:44] <ScottK> foolano: Sounds good.
[16:44] <nealmcb> sommer: well I don't think they have to handle all the options - just the ones that a typical soho would really need. but they have to avoid fouling up existing configs
[16:44] <nealmcb> foolano: welcome!
[16:45] <foolano> thanks :)
[16:45] <nealmcb> foolano: what's your name?
[16:46] <ScottK> foolano: I just replied on the ML to close the thread.  Thanks.
[16:47] <foolano> handling all the possible options and presenting a simple UI is too complicated
[16:50] <sommer> nealmcb: I agree, lot of work though
[16:53] <sommer> foolano: thanks for the update, eBox is a very interesting project
[17:02] <foolano> our current released is debian based, but i really think that we are doing the right think by changing to Ubuntu. Hopefully, we'll have more users more testing, and we'll end up with a better product
[17:03] <foolano> s/released/release/
[17:07] <ScottK> Probably.  I doubt that many people who are the type to run Debian servers are also the kind to run Ebox.
[17:07]  * nealmcb nods
[17:09] <nealmcb> foolano: ahh - I think I met you at UDS Boston :-)
[17:09] <foolano> mmm, whois...
[17:09] <foolano> hehe
[17:09] <foolano> yeah
[17:10] <foolano> i think you sat in front of me during the ebox meeting
[17:10] <nealmcb> yes
[17:11] <foolano> how's everything going? :)
[17:12] <nealmcb> as usual, trying to stay on top of too many things at once :-)
[17:12] <foolano> hehehe, that's the way to go :)
[17:13] <nealmcb> I seem to recall rumors that apache 1.3 might not be in hardy
[17:14] <nealmcb> the memory size issue with apache2 and ebox seems surprising - do you know what causes it?
[17:15] <nealmcb> how big is apache 1.3 plus mod-perl plus ebox?
[17:15] <soren> We don't even have apache1.3 anymore..
[17:15] <soren> (!)
[17:15] <soren> It's not even in gutsy.
[17:17] <nealmcb> ahh - on re-reading I see that is what foolano said :-)
[17:17] <nealmcb> in email - had to backport....
[17:17] <foolano> i don't know what is causing it
[17:17] <foolano> i have to do some profiling to find out
[17:18] <foolano> in the meantime, i'm using apache 1.3
[17:18] <kriel> I have two interfaces connected to my Ubuntu 7.10 (server) machine. lspci shows two interfaces, and originally ifconfig showed two interfaces (plus loopback) as well. After a reboot (with no hardware changes at all) lspci still shows two interfaces, but ifconfig only shows one. Where could I begin troubleshooting this? (besides using lspci and ifconfig)
[17:18] <nealmcb> foolano:  http://vda.sourceforge.net/se doesn't work for me (from your email)
[17:18] <foolano> nealmcb: i pasted the wrong URL, remove the trailing "/se"
[17:19] <nealmcb> yeah - and I guess it is moot now anyway.  thanks
[17:23] <fishor> kriel: dmesg, /etc/netwok/interfaces, /var/log/syslog
[17:28] <foolano> gotta go. see you later
[17:28] <kriel> fishor: if i pastebin those files, would you mind helping me figure out what happened?
[17:32] <fishor> kriel: 1. you should check in dmesg if netwok interface driver was loaded corrctly 2. in /etc/netwok/interfaces if it was korrectly configured 3. in /var/log/syslog if there is some other errors
[17:36] <kriel> fishor: thanks.
[17:59] <nealmcb> memes we'll be hearing about: home servers - take off on stay-at-home-dads: http://www.stayathomeserver.com/
[18:38] <ScottK> sommer: I'm taking another stab at backporting clamav to Dapper/Edgy/Feisty/Gutsy.  Please have a look at the team wiki page.  Testing needed.
[18:41] <sommer> ScottK: cool, will do
[18:42] <sommer> haven't gotten very far in backporting the API to the dapper version, but really haven't looked at it since before x-mas
[18:44] <ScottK> With PPA, I can build test packages against the curren clamav pretty easily and others can test, so we'll get that a shot.  0.92 had additional API changes anywya.
[18:44] <ScottK> wya/way
[18:46] <sommer> gotcha, should be able to do some testing this evening
[20:18] <pHaze> What's the best way to auto build and deploy servers in a cluster with ubuntu server?
[20:19] <nealmcb> pHaze: what sort of cluster?
[20:20] <pHaze> Just a regular web cluster. Running apaches and some of our own software.
[20:20] <pHaze> behind a load sharer.
[20:21] <pHaze> I'm building machines individually right now and want to automate the process so I can just slap a disk in and a new ubuntu spins up along with our own software installed.
[20:21] <zul> kickstart might help
[20:22] <nealmcb> !kickstart
[20:22] <ubotu> Ways to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning
[20:22] <nealmcb> !cloning
[20:22] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate
[20:22] <nealmcb> !automate
[20:23] <pHaze> thanks
[20:23] <nealmcb> np
[20:23] <nealmcb> !automate
[20:23] <ubotu> Ways to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning
[20:23]  * nealmcb mumbles about best-effort delivery to uboto :-)
[20:24] <nealmcb> *ubotu
[20:24] <nealmcb> and I wonder if those techniques have changed much since dapper
[20:29] <zul> preseed as well
[21:25] <ScottK> Hell ivoks
[21:25] <ScottK> Hello I mean
[21:25] <ScottK> Sorry
[21:25] <ScottK> ivoks: I'm -> <- this close to having amavisd-new in Main
[21:25] <astabeno> scottk: I am going to report you
[21:25] <ivoks> hi all
[21:26] <ivoks> hell ivoks :)
[21:26] <ivoks> ScottK: awsome
[21:26] <astabeno> just kidding
[21:26] <ScottK> Once that's done you can integrate it into task select ...
[21:27] <ScottK> astabeno: Glad to hear it.  I'm famously grumpy and would have hated to have to have pointed some of it at you.
[21:29] <ScottK> ivoks: I decided to kill of amavisd-new-milter once I say the Debian amavisd-new maintainer comment that he just assumed it worked because he had no way to test it.
[21:29] <ScottK> I think we don't want that in Main and it saves me having to split libmilter out of sendmail.
[21:38] <varek> i hate grub error 17
[21:39] <varek> no idea what's happening, but i've called grub-install onto the right hard drive 1000 times now
[21:42] <varek> is there any way to get grub to be a little more verbose
[21:45] <qman> google is your friend
[21:45] <qman> grub error 17 means the partition exists but the fiesystem type cannot be recognized
[21:45] <varek> no shit.
[21:45] <qman> filesystem*
[21:45] <varek> thanks for that.
[21:46] <qman> pretty straightforward
[21:46] <varek> how is it straightforward ?
[21:46] <qman> either your filesystem is damaged, has the wrong type code, your drive is toast, or your BIOS is interfering
[21:47] <qman> it really can't be anything else
[21:47] <varek> must be the bios.
[21:48] <qman> go in and make sure all your disks are set to "auto", not "user" or "LBA
[21:48] <qman> "
[21:54] <varek> they're all set to auto :\
[21:57] <varek> apparently someone on a gentoo forum found that the bios helpfully re-ordered drives at boot time
[22:00] <ajmitch> yep, /dev/sd{a,b,c} are certainly not in that order for me in the BIOS
[22:00] <ajmitch> I think that the first SATA drive that the BIOS sees turns up as sdb for me
[22:04] <varek> i'm using a sata PCI card for my boot hard drive
[22:07] <varek> s'pose i'll just guess hard drives
[22:07] <varek> five to choose from :(
[22:09] <varek> wait
[22:09] <varek> this is ridiculous.
[22:11] <ivoks> there's a magic command
[22:11] <ivoks> find
[22:11] <varek> yeah but presumably it'll be different at boot
[22:12] <varek> according to device.map it's hd4,0 but that gives me error 17, so it must be one of my software RAID disks at boot
[22:12] <ivoks> software raid disk?
[22:12] <ivoks> like... windows software raid?
[22:13] <varek> linux software raid.
[22:13] <ivoks> what raid type?
[22:14] <varek> md, raid 5
[22:15] <ivoks> i hope you don't have /boot on md raid5
[22:15] <varek> no...
[22:17] <varek> it's on a seperate disk, first partition
[22:23] <varek> any ideas besides just guessing ?
[22:27] <varek> guessing it is.
[22:28] <varek> wait, how is that going to help
[22:29] <varek> error 17 means grub isn't even loading
[22:31] <varek> when it says 'cannoy mountselected partition' what does it mean ?
[22:34] <somerville32> It means it can not mount the partition you selected to mount
[22:35] <varek> which is specified when you install grub right?
[22:37] <Thorsten11> hello all
[22:37] <Thorsten11> is anyone on this channel/
[22:38] <varek> haha.
[22:38] <varek> fellow has less patience than i do.
[22:39] <Thorsten11> i have a question if anyone is out there
[22:39] <Thorsten11> well its actually more of a concern
[22:39] <ScottK> !ask | Thorsten11
[22:39] <ubotu> Thorsten11: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question -- All On One Line, so others can read it and follow it easily --. and if anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[22:40] <Thorsten11> I was viewing the auth.log file on my server back home from the hotel room i am in and i have one hell of alot of remote login attempts, obviously a brute force, my question is what can i do to make sure no one gets in
[22:41] <ScottK> This is SSH, I assume?
[22:41] <Thorsten11> yes
[22:42] <ScottK> You can use iptables to limit the number of SSH connection attempts.  If the server has lots of people trying to logon, this may have unwanted side effects.
[22:42] <ScottK> I'm the only one SSH'ing into servers I administer, so it works quite well for me.
[22:42] <ScottK> Once they hit the limit, SSH just stops responding and they go away.
[22:43] <Thorsten11> that would work perfect, I am the only one that really logs in, ocasionally my brother does, but basically me.
[22:44] <ScottK> !pastebin
[22:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[22:44] <Thorsten11> Because i travel so much the ip address restriciton could never work so i have been looking for another solution
[22:45] <Thorsten11> thanks alot scottk
[22:45] <ScottK> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52350/ is the basic idea.  You'll have to figure out how to integrate it into your iptables rules.
[22:45] <varek> what the hell
[22:45] <Thorsten11> ok
[22:45] <varek> it actually loaded grub
[22:45] <Thorsten11> thanks again too all
[22:46] <ScottK> Thorsten11: Test it when you have local access to the server
[22:46] <Thorsten11> i shall, probably tomorrow when i get home
[22:46] <Thorsten11> are you on here often?  I'd like to let you know how it works out
[22:47]  * ScottK is usually either here or logged in and reads the scrollback
[22:47] <Thorsten11> fantastic
[22:47] <Thorsten11> cheers and thanks, i'll let you know
[22:49] <ajmitch> varek: you found the right partition & disk then?
[22:49] <varek> i changed the boot order in the bios
[22:49] <ajmitch> heh
[22:49] <ajmitch> computers are wonderful
[22:50] <varek> it didn't like it being fifth, but did like it being first :\
[22:56] <varek> now i just have to figure out how to get it to recognize raid.
[22:57] <nealmcb> ScottK: so that ssh rate limiting rule links to a ratedrop chain, right?  how do you define that?
[22:59] <ScottK> nealmcb: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52352/
[23:00] <nealmcb> ScottK: cool - thanks
[23:01] <ScottK> nealmcb: No problem.  That's mostly thanks to Google.