[04:38] <tbr> so is the process of getting those snap packages on a current image a nation state secret?
[04:38]  * tbr still hasn't found a way to sign or do disable the signature check
[08:36] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy High Five Day! :-D
[08:59] <ogra_> tbr, --allow-unauthenticated ... (as snappy install option)
[09:19] <tbr> ogra_: $ snappy-remote --url=ssh://<IP_ADDRESS> --allow-unauthenticated install ./hello-world.canonical_1.0.5_all.snap
[09:19] <tbr> ogra_: unknown flag `allow-unauthenticated'
[09:19] <ogra_> oh, remote ... that i dont know ...
[09:20] <tbr> remote is what TFM tells me to use
[09:20]  * ogra_ just uses an ssh shell usually
[09:20] <ogra_> scp ... snappy install ...
[09:20] <tbr> ok, that I can try
[09:21] <tbr> the whole "forget everything you learned about package management and apt" thing makes me approach this from TFM side, instead of trying random things
[09:21] <ogra_> yeah, but everyone is busy ... the manuals are often a bit behind and updated last once a feature works
[09:22] <ogra_> and alongside, everyone is at a sprint in US TZ
[09:22] <ogra_> which doesnt make IRC actually a good place this week
[09:22] <ogra_> (for support)
[09:22]  * tbr mumbles something about potemkin villages and goe sto figure this out the hard way
[09:23] <tbr> ubuntu@localhost:~$ snappy --allow-unauthenticated install /tmp/hello-world.canonical_1.0.5_all.snap
[09:23] <tbr> unknown flag `allow-unauthenticated'
[09:24] <tbr> this is from inside the image
[09:24] <tbr> Name        Date       Version Developer
[09:24] <tbr> ubuntu-core 2015-04-10 146
[09:24] <ogra_> i think install needs to come first
[09:24] <tbr> ok, now it asks for root, progress
[09:25] <tbr> yay. it installed.
[09:25] <ogra_> \o/
[09:27] <tbr> so I guess the only way to get something workable is to toss out snappy-remote and reinvent the wheel with a wrapper script around scp and "ssh ubuntu@foo sudo snappy install --allow-unauthenticated $bar"?
[09:27] <ogra_> yeah, i think there is a bug open for that somewhere
[09:27] <tbr> yes, I found it and it was not helpful
[09:28] <ogra_> bug 1443676
[09:28] <ogra_> bah, no bot ?
[09:28] <tbr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy-ubuntu/+bug/1443676
[09:28] <ogra_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1443676
[09:28] <ogra_> heh
[09:28] <ogra_> *snap*
[09:28] <ogra_> :P
[09:28] <tbr> :>
[13:33]  * dholbach hugs davidcalle
[13:33] <davidcalle> :-)
[13:33] <davmor2> davidcalle: if dholbach said and maybe jump off a cliff....... ;)
[13:34] <davmor2> davidcalle: on a more serious note \o/
[13:34] <davidcalle> davmor2, I would... I would not... that's a hard question, I trust him! :p
[13:35] <davmor2> davidcalle: hahaha :)
[13:37] <davidcalle> dholbach, are there install instructions for the raspi2 we could include in /install? (I know it's an image ready to burn, but we should probably have a small something)
[13:41] <dholbach> davidcalle, not yet - I'll find out more though
[13:44] <dholbach> davidcalle, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snappy-devel/2015-April/000463.html
[13:44] <dholbach> I'll talk to lool- once I see him around here
[13:44] <dholbach> and see if the instructions are going to get any more official
[13:44] <dholbach> the great thing is that all devices which have oem snaps in the store can just use ubuntu-device-flash to have their image created on the fly
[13:45] <dholbach> so we can at some stage just have a big table with instructions for lots of different devices :)
[13:45] <lool-> dholbach: had to step out for a call sorry
[13:45] <dholbach> lool-, no worries
[13:47] <davidcalle> dholbach, thanks
[13:47] <davidcalle> lool, hey :)
[13:48] <dholbach> davidcalle, I'll note down to add a table to install/devices (or shall we call it start/devices)?
[13:48] <dholbach> sorry start/things
[13:48] <lool> davidcalle: heya
[13:48] <lool> davidcalle: how goes?
[13:49] <davidcalle> dholbach, start/devices sounds great to me
[13:49] <davidcalle> lool, all is well, you?
[13:50] <dholbach> davidcalle, I think dpm wanted to call it things (just like ubuntu.com/things)
[13:50] <dholbach> but yeah, I'll rename the 'install' section to 'start'
[13:51] <dholbach> that'll also set the direction for the /start
[13:51] <dholbach> we could add content like "hey, install the ppa" first because it's going to be relevant for everything else
[13:52] <lool> davidcalle: well well
[13:52] <davidcalle> dholbach, +1
[13:55] <dholbach> cool, I'll start work on this in half an hour or something
[14:17] <mterry> jdstrand, did that framework bug get fixed?
[14:19] <mterry> asac, can I be in ~snappy-dev?
[14:19] <jdstrand> mterry: it is supposed to be in 0.3.7. I got a report that it may not be, however the 'snaps don't specify release framework' work that landed means there is another bug now
[14:19] <jdstrand> I'm looking at it now
[14:19] <mterry> jdstrand, OK.  So I should continue not to specify a framework  :)
[14:20] <jdstrand> for now-- don't update your image just yet either :)
[14:20] <jdstrand> mterry: I suggest not upgrading and not specifying the framework for now. hopefully be eod you can do both
[14:21] <mterry> jdstrand, gotcha.  Can you ping me when I can?  I'd like to publish instructions for using the scripts today, and that would be a nice bug to not have to mention
[14:21] <jdstrand> sure
[14:21] <mterry> thx!
[14:22] <slangasek> dholbach: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/ - I don't think so; particularly as our "channel" nomenclature is meant to be changing
[14:29] <dholbach> slangasek, right... it'd be still good if we could come up with something like that... even if we have to change it
[14:30] <slangasek> asac: ^^ you said sabdfl had some guidance about the use of edge (devel-proposed) vs. alpha (devel)?  What is our messaging around channels for 15.04?
[14:31] <slangasek> dholbach: btw, how do I submit changes to https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/ since most of the channels listed there also need to be deprecated? ;-)
[14:33] <dholbach> slangasek, if you want, I can give you access to the site, or a bug on developer-ubuntu-com will do as well
[14:43] <slangasek> dholbach: thanks, filing that in my brain for later - the channel schema needs to really be changed on the server first before we make the changes to the website
[14:43] <ogra_> and in peoples brains :)
[14:43] <ogra_> which is the harder part i guess ...
[14:47] <dholbach> thanks slangasek
[15:02] <volkrass> Can somebody point me to correct version of ubuntu-device-flash what support the oem flag
[15:03] <volkrass> I tried out this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snappy-devel/2015-April/000463.html
[15:04] <volkrass> But I got message: unknown flag `oem' when I try reproduce what Loic did.
[15:04] <volkrass> Any hints for me?
[20:56] <jdstrand> Chipaca: http://people.canonical.com/~jamie/snappy/test-snap-foo-framework_1.3_all.snap
[21:07] <Chipaca> jdstrand: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10835145/
[22:06] <sergiusens> jdstrand: kickinz1 https://gist.github.com/sergiusens/8d4d2b99b2e5d87c7a50
[22:07] <kickinz1> sergiusens, Thanks!
[22:52] <sergiusens> Chipaca: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/goget-ubuntu-touch/catchupToInstall/+merge/256602
[23:10] <sergiusens> Chipaca: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/goget-ubuntu-touch/tarmac/+merge/256604


[09:17] <Mirv> tsdgeos: Saviq: FYI qt5-beta2 now has a good set of final RC1 packages, plus a bunch of rebuilds. but I've also bumped into several fails to builds in packages and filed qt5.2 tagged bugs for them.
[09:17] <tsdgeos> nice! tx
[09:18] <Mirv> tsdgeos: Saviq: in other news I won't be around tomorrow because of independence day, but the qt5-beta2 PPA should be in good enough shape to play around for a while again
[09:18] <Mirv> indicators are back for example, for whatever reasons. one main problem seems to be that power button does not unblank the display if it goes blank
[09:19] <tsdgeos> weird
[09:20] <tsdgeos> Mirv: do you think it's worth a bug report?
[09:21] <mhr3_> mzanetti, lp:~unity-team/unity-scope-onlinemusic/use-new-api
[09:21] <Mirv> tsdgeos: probably, but I don't just know against what. nothing seems to crash and unity8 is still running.
[09:21] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i'd put it against unity8
[09:21] <tsdgeos> and then we can see if we can bounce it to someone else
[09:22] <Mirv> ok
[09:23] <Mirv> bug #1258064
[09:26] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/158332647/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.unity-api_1%3A7.80.4%2B14.04.20131126.2-0~113~ubuntu14.04.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[10:06] <greyback> dandrader: you need to merge lp~afrantzis/platform-api/initialize-mir-surface-parameters-output-id/ into lp:platform-api and install it
[10:06] <dandrader> greyback, ok
[10:13] <tsdgeos> Cimi: you broke category collapsing!
[10:13]  * Cimi hides
[10:13] <Cimi> tsdgeos, really?
[10:13] <tsdgeos> with the base renderer stuff
[10:13] <tsdgeos> yeah :/
[10:13] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I think I passed all the properties
[10:13] <Cimi> I triple checked
[10:13] <tsdgeos> it's bad we also don't have a test
[10:13] <Cimi> tsdgeos, who did the review? :P
[10:13] <tsdgeos> Cimi: mzanetti :D
[10:13] <Cimi> hah
[10:14] <mzanetti> :D
[10:14] <tsdgeos> i'm on it
[10:14] <Cimi> I'm coming to the office now, had cough and took medicines this morning
[10:14] <mzanetti> I really tested it and it was working fine
[10:14] <Cimi> I did too
[10:14] <tsdgeos> let's see how can i get it to work again
[10:14] <mzanetti> probably some combination with something else landing at the same time
[10:14] <Cimi> mzanetti, might have been Domino's pizza too
[10:14] <Cimi> and you eating it
[10:15] <Cimi> made the world collapse
[10:15] <mzanetti> hmm... unlikely this landed before I got the pizza
[10:16] <tsdgeos> ok, got it :D
[10:16] <tsdgeos> damn, i'll need to do a test now
[10:17] <Cimi> tsdgeos, click on the header of the category and see if it expands no? :)
[10:18] <tsdgeos> Cimi: that actually works
[10:18] <tsdgeos> it's the collapsing that fails :D
[10:18] <tsdgeos> but yeah
[10:18] <tsdgeos> it's not that hard
[10:18] <Cimi> ah
[10:18] <tsdgeos> it's just extra work
[10:48] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/broken_collapse/+merge/197844 ?
[10:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, on it
[11:00] <Cimi> tsdgeos, so filter can be set both ways?
[11:00] <tsdgeos> yes
[11:02] <Cimi> mmm how do we deal with those?
[11:02] <Cimi> tsdgeos, is there a way to set some sort of alias?
[11:03] <Cimi> tsdgeos, btw my branch failed at the auto landing time :p
[11:08] <tsdgeos> i saw
[11:41] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta2/
[11:49] <greyback> dandrader: lp:~gerboland/+junk/qpa-mirserver-plugin-rename
[12:25] <dandrader> greyback, gonna need to tweak the client qpa as well as it seems to hard code created windows to be fullscreen with a 64 pixels margin at the top
[12:25] <dandrader> hardcoded
[12:25] <greyback> dandrader: darn. That's correct.
[12:26] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=qt5.2
[12:26] <greyback> dandrader: do you really need to though? I've no problem with fullscreen surfaces (we can remove the fake panel bit)
[12:27] <dandrader> greyback, well, it won't make for a nice demo if the client window is fullscreen
[12:27] <dandrader> greyback, ie., we won't be able to move it around the desktop area, etc
[12:28] <greyback> dandrader: if we can scale the window, it could be ok for demo
[12:28] <greyback> dandrader: but yeah, it should not be hard to hack qtubuntu to grab the requested window size from Qt, and ask Mir for the correctly sized surface
[12:29] <greyback> it's only fullscreen now as we had no surface resizing, so if an app wanted to switch to fullscreen, we had a problem
[12:32] <greyback> but we have surface resizing now, so we need to fix up qtubuntu more properly
[12:34] <sil2100> Saviq, greyback: hi guys! Any progress with the dialer-app issue during incomming calls? ;)
[12:37] <kgunn> sil2100: i think racarr determined it to be a platformapi bug yesterday late
[12:37] <sil2100> kgunn: do you know if this is close to be fixed?
[12:39] <greyback> sil2100: tedg working on it now. Once he's got code up, I'll have to patch unity-mir to support his change
[12:41] <sil2100> greyback: excellent!
[12:41] <sil2100> greyback: please give me a sign once all the bits are there ;)
[12:41] <sil2100> We'd like to get rid of this blocker
[12:41] <greyback> sil2100: will do
[12:43] <sil2100> Thank you
[12:44] <sil2100> greyback: just to double check - what components will have to be released to get this fixed?
[12:45] <greyback> sil2100: upstart-app-launch and unity-mir
[12:45] <sil2100> Just those 2? Coolio
[12:48] <greyback> sil2100: hopefully yeah.
[12:48] <greyback> need to test fix before am certain
[13:57] <mhr3__> Saviq, so lp:unity-scopes-api, lp:~mhr3/unity-scopes-shell/hook-scopes-ng,  lp:~unity-team/unity-scope-onlinemusic/use-new-api/
[13:57] <mhr3__> Saviq, bzr bd-ing all of them should work
[13:58] <Saviq> mhr3__, cool, will try and get that soon
[13:58] <mhr3__> Saviq, then just UNITY_FORCE_NEW_SCOPES=1 unity8
[13:58] <mhr3__> or lp:~unity-team/unity8/new-scopes
[14:12] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/enable-teasing-locked-phone/+merge/197874
[14:16] <tvoss> Saviq, updated https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/unity-mir/replace_get_env_with_thread_safe_variant/+merge/195037
[14:16] <Saviq> tvoss, cheers
[14:56] <sil2100> tedg: hello! How's the upstart-app-launch fix going? Any news? :)
[14:56] <tedg> sil2100, In progress
[14:56] <tedg> It's kinda non-trivial.  It's not a fix, it's adding a new handshaking between Unity and Upstart.
[14:59] <karni> Saviq: You know if your "Added music preview." is already in trusty-proposed or other image?
[14:59] <karni> Saviq: FTR, that's a commit in unity8
[15:04] <Saviq> karni, not yet
[15:04] <Saviq> karni, should be released today/tomorrow
[15:05] <karni> Saviq: ack
[15:26] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/158332647/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.unity-api_1%3A7.80.4%2B14.04.20131126.2-0~113~ubuntu14.04.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:26] <tsdgeos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-api/+bug/1258057
[15:32] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/dont-assert-on-invalid-variant/+merge/197904
[15:43] <tsdgeos> Saviq: the verify for the animation failed ;/
[15:43] <tsdgeos> Saviq: shall i remove it?
[15:43] <Saviq> tsdgeos, :|
[16:48] <cwayne_> thostr_, hey, im trying to install the new api from ppa:ubuntu-unity/daily-build-next but I'm getting a dep issue on ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts
[16:51] <mhr3> cwayne_, it's trusty-only
[16:51] <mhr3> are you on trusty?
[16:51] <cwayne_> mhr3, i'm on trusty
[16:51] <mhr3> what is the actual error?
[16:52] <cwayne_> mhr3, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6525590/
[16:52] <mhr3> but yea actually, things might not work right now, distro updated some stuff, ppa has now older version than distro
[16:52] <mhr3> will try to fix it up
[16:53] <mhr3> eh
[16:53] <cwayne_> mhr3, thanks
[16:53] <mhr3> that error is weird though
[16:53] <mhr3> seb128, ^
[16:54] <mhr3> seb128, it says ubuntu-system-settings, so i'm pinging you :)
[16:54] <seb128> cwayne_, apt-get install ubuntu-system-settings ?
[16:55] <cwayne_> seb128, it's already installed
[16:55] <seb128> hum, are you sure?
[16:55] <seb128> that error doesn't make sense if that's the case
[16:55] <seb128> "Depends: ubuntu-system-settings but it is not going to be installed"
[16:55] <cwayne_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# apt-cache policy ubuntu-system-settings
[16:55] <cwayne_> ubuntu-system-settings:
[16:55] <cwayne_>   Installed: 0.1+14.04.20131119-0ubuntu1
[16:55] <cwayne_>   Candidate: 0.1+14.04.20131119-0ubuntu1
[16:56] <seb128> apt-get install ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts ?
[16:56] <cwayne_> ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts is already the newest version.
[17:01] <greyback> mzanetti: your branch fixes the crash, thanks!
[17:02] <mzanetti> greyback: \o/
[17:04] <mhr3> sil2100, will need to rebuild the scopes branches
[17:05] <mhr3> or perhaps robru^?
[17:05] <seb128> cwayne_, that pastebin makes no sense, are you sure you ran those command on the same box?
[17:05] <robru> mhr3, url?
[17:05] <cwayne_> seb128, yes. i know it doesn't make sense, hence why i'm asking about it :)
[17:06] <mhr3> robru, :) step 1) https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+recipe/unity-scopes-api-daily-custom the target branch needs to be changed to lp:unity-scopes-api trunk
[17:06] <mhr3> and built
[17:06] <mhr3> robru, step 2) build https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+recipe/unity-scopes-shell-daily-custom after 1) finishes
[17:07] <mhr3> robru, step 3) rebuild https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+recipe/unity-scope-onlinemusic-daily-custom after 1) finishes
[17:08] <robru> mhr3, ok, #1 started
[17:09] <mhr3> robru, oh crap, the version in 1) needs to be changed too
[17:09] <robru> mhr3, i changed the branch to trunk...
[17:09] <mhr3> robru, needs to be 0.1.2
[17:09] <mhr3> robru, yea, but the recipe overrides the upstream version
[17:10] <robru> mhr3, can I set it to {debupstream} then?
[17:10] <mhr3> robru, yea, that will work too
[17:10] <robru> mhr3, ok, rebuilding that
[17:11] <mhr3> robru, it is possible to abort the older one? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build-next/+recipebuild/600852
[17:11] <robru> mhr3, nope
[17:12] <mhr3> oh well...
[17:32] <Saviq> mzanetti, http://people.canonical.com/~msawicz/unity8/scopes-ng.tar.xz
[17:48] <mhr3> robru, api published, mind kicking off 2) and 3)?
[17:48] <robru> mhr3, oh yeah ;-)
[17:49] <robru> mhr3, have there been new revisions on the branches? if not they'll fail to upload due to identical version numbers.
[17:49] <mhr3> robru, good question
[17:51] <mhr3> robru, yea, everything was updated
[17:53] <mhr3> cwayne_, everything is rebuilding, should be in the ppa in ~hour
[17:54] <cwayne_> mhr3, lovely, thank you!
[17:54] <mhr3> cwayne_, although i'm not sure what's up with your apt error
[17:54] <cwayne_> mhr3, yeah, it's full of craziness somehow
[17:54] <mhr3> not overly likely that the rebuild will fix *that*
[18:03] <tsdgeos> Cimi: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/carousel_click_test/+merge/197940
[18:04] <Cimi> tsdgeos, tomorrow?
[18:04] <tsdgeos> sure
[18:04] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I'm concentrated on the prototype
[18:04] <tsdgeos> no worries
[21:17] <cwayne_> having an issue trying to run the new api: unity::LogicException: Could not get string array (/usr/share/unity/scope-groups/Groups.ini, group: ScopeGroup): Key file does not have key 'Scopes'


[00:59] <jrwren> I just posted a tiny patch. I hope it get accepted. Could be really nice to have. https://code.launchpad.net/~evarlast/software-properties/support-update/+merge/260640
[01:11] <cmaloney> nice!
[14:59] <jrwren> cmaloney: you didn't tell me Wendy Carlos was a bad ass.
[15:00] <jrwren> I thought she only played compositions. I didn't know she built instruments and built her own 8 track
[16:28] <cmaloney> jrwren: I know, right?


[02:57] <paultag> whoh, r00t4rd3d was here as well?
[02:58] <paultag> thanks, tsimpson :)
[07:30] <jmej_> hmm.. so ardour doesn't see my lv2 plugins ... is this a known issue? path problem... or compiled w/out the correct flags?
[07:50] <jmej_> or is there simply no lv2 stuff in ubuntu studio?
[07:50] <jmej_> i was under the impression there was because i have lv2core installed according to apt-get...
[07:51] <jmej_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TaskLV2Inclusion
[07:51] <jmej_> that doesn't look good :/
[07:51] <jmej_> though i don't totally understand it...
[08:02] <jmej_> hmm.. well i found the lv2 plugins on my system.. but ardour doesn't see em :(
[08:02] <jmej_> exporting a path variable
[08:02] <jmej_> still no love
[08:04] <jmej_> anyone have lv2 working in ardour?
[08:05] <ailo> ardour 3?
[08:07] <jmej_> no... are you running ardour 3?
[08:07] <jmej_> 2.8.2 here
[08:07] <jmej_> i'm happy to remove it and install w/ different flags if it's as simple as that
[08:08] <jmej_> though if ardour 3 is running well for you over there i supposed i could do that as well
[08:08] <jmej_> i figured since it wasn't even alpha it wouldn't be too stable
[08:08] <jmej_> but i've never worked with any of pauls bleeding edge releases - so i may be assuming wrong?
[08:10] <ailo> But, you built it yourself?
[08:10] <jmej_> no
[08:10] <jmej_> installed via ubuntu studio
[08:10] <jmej_> i'm a little unclear about the distinction between ubuntu studio packages... and normal ubuntu packages
[08:10] <jmej_> but eitherway i didn't build it from source
[08:11] <ailo> No difference. Ubuntustudio has some meta-packages that depend on audio packages in the Ubuntu repo
[08:11] <jmej_> so i should be able to get a version of ardour running w/ lv2 support
[08:11] <jmej_> possibly even from a repository? (rather than building from source)
[08:11] <jmej_> or maybe my version can be massaged into working w/ lv2?
[08:13] <ailo> How do you know your lv2 plugs aren't showing?
[08:13] <ailo> What version of Ubuntu are you on?
[08:13] <jmej_> they're not in the plugin manager
[08:13] <jmej_> ubuntu 9.10
[08:14] <ailo> So, if you go into plugin-manager, choose to sort by type, lv2 doesn't show up?
[08:14] <jmej_> correct
[08:15] <jmej_> but i have calf.lv2 and lv2core.lv2 in /usr/lib/lv2
[08:15] <ailo> I don't have this problem on Ubuntu Natty. Don't have a Karmic system to try right now.
[08:16] <jmej_> so this is unlikely to be an ubuntustudio specific problem?
[08:16] <ailo> No, but Karmic specific
[08:16] <jmej_> ah
[08:16] <ailo> Since ardour is in Ubuntu's repo
[08:17] <jmej_> oh ok.. so it would only be packages that don't show up in the normal ubuntu repo that would be different
[08:17] <ailo> Yeah
[08:17] <jmej_> i wonder if it is just a matter of adding some flags when installing via apt-get
[08:17] <ailo> Or, actually Ubuntustudio meta-packages are also in the repo
[08:18] <ailo> The meta-packages depends on a collection of packages
[08:18] <jmej_> ah
[08:18] <ailo> But the audio packages themselves aren't Ubuntustudio specific
[08:18] <jmej_> ok
[08:19] <ailo> Anyway, you might have better luck trying a PPA, if there is one that has ardour for Karmic
[08:19] <jmej_> PPA?
[08:20] <jmej_> what's a ppa?
[08:20] <ailo> It's an unofficial Ubuntu repo that can be added. Some are personal, some belong to a music distro
[08:21] <ailo> In launchpad
[08:21] <jmej_> oh i see
[08:22] <ailo> I'm going to check Puredyne's PPA. They have a version for Karmic.
[08:22] <ailo> But they didn't include ardour :(
[08:22] <ailo> Still, I don't know what the problem is. Could be you can fix it.
[08:22] <jmej_> ah that's too bad
[08:23] <jmej_> it's not something silly like needing to do apt-get install ardour +lv2
[08:23] <jmej_> is it?
[08:23] <ailo> I've never heard of that
[08:23] <jmej_> ok
[08:23] <jmej_> i know with macports there are all sorts of optional package flags
[08:23] <ailo> You could try talking on the ardour forum, Ubuntu forum and #opensroucemusicians
[08:24] <jmej_> ok - thanks for your help
[08:24] <jmej_> i'll give it a shot
[08:24] <ailo> Surely someone know ardour enough to find what the problem is
[08:25] <ailo> jmej_: There's #ardour too. Maybe that's the first place to look :). Didn't know it was so well used.
[08:26] <jmej_> yeah i'll try that
[08:26] <jmej_> i've had luck in there before :)
[08:26] <jmej_> just thought it might be some ubuntu studio specific weirdness
[08:27] <ailo> No. I mean, it could be that the package in the repo is not built right, but would be best to find that out before replacing it.
[08:27] <jmej_> gotcha
[09:36] <persia> The other alternative is to upgrade to 10.04 or 10.10.  10.04 is probably more stable of the two.
[22:24] <gordonjcp> hi, I'm having some problems trying to untangle which jack to install in 10.10
[22:25] <gordonjcp> if I install libjack-dev it doesn't actually pull in a package with a jackd
[22:26] <gordonjcp> jackd2 wants to pull in masses of deps including Qt, for reasons I can't entirely fathom
[22:28] <gordonjcp> trying to install jackd and jackd1 both pop up a huge screed of packages they want to install, remove or replace starting with:
[22:28] <gordonjcp> The following packages have unmet dependencies: libjack0: Conflicts: libjack-0.116 which is a virtual package. libjack-jackd2-0: Conflicts: libjack-0.116 which is a virtual package.
[22:30] <holstein> gordonjcp: hey
[22:30] <holstein> what do you mean my 'to install 10.10 ?
[22:30] <holstein> is this a 10.04 install?
[22:30] <gordonjcp> holstein: hi
[22:31] <gordonjcp> no, 10.10
[22:31] <gordonjcp> maverick meerkat, apparently
[22:31] <holstein> gordonjcp: any PPA's added?
[22:31] <gordonjcp> uhm...
[22:31] <gordonjcp> how would I tell?
[22:31] <gordonjcp> what is a PPA?
[22:32] <holstein> thats probably a good indication that you dont ;)
[22:32] <holstein> i use 10.04
[22:32] <holstein> with a PPA added
[22:32] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid
[22:32] <holstein> gordonjcp: try running in a terminal
[22:33] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[22:33] <holstein> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:33] <gordonjcp> I did that recently
[22:33] <holstein> just now?
[22:33] <gordonjcp> well, about an hour ago
[22:33] <holstein> in the last 2 minutes?
[22:33] <holstein> OK
[22:33] <holstein> what about
[22:33] <holstein> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[22:33] <holstein> which shouldnt matter
[22:34] <holstein> if you dont have PPA's added
[22:34] <holstein> gordonjcp: fire up synaptic
[22:34] <holstein> and search libjack
[22:35] <holstein> and let me fire up 10.10
[22:35] <gordonjcp> eek
[22:35] <gordonjcp> huge incomprehensible list
[22:35] <holstein> dont do it then
[22:35] <holstein> let me get in and look too
[22:35] <gordonjcp> I don't get on well with GUIs
[22:36] <holstein> OH
[22:36] <paultag> IO!
[22:36] <holstein> drill down in the search if you want
[22:36] <holstein> or apt-cache search
[22:37] <holstein> paultag: o/
[22:37] <paultag> hey holstein
[22:38] <holstein> OK
[22:38] <holstein> when i upgrade
[22:38] <holstein> with apt-get
[22:38] <holstein> says 5 packages are being held back
[22:38] <holstein> gordonjcp: let me let this go through
[22:38] <holstein> and i'll see what that is about
[22:38] <holstein> if you have a minute
[22:39] <gordonjcp> yup, okay
[22:39] <holstein> gordonjcp: this is a 64bit install
[22:39] <holstein> yours 32bit?
[22:39] <gordonjcp> yes
[22:39] <holstein> hmmmm
[22:42] <gordonjcp> holstein: to give you an idea of the problem, I'm trying to write a set of instructions for setting up and installing some software I wrote under Ubuntu
[22:43] <holstein> gordonjcp: cool
[22:43] <holstein> audio software?
[22:43] <gordonjcp> I'm not particularly familiar with Ubuntu, and I don't really like the Debianish way of packaging
[22:43] <gordonjcp> yes, kind of, it's a software-defined radio
[22:43] <holstein> interesting
[22:44] <gordonjcp> essentially you have some samples coming in, and apply some filtering and magic to them, and you get radio
[22:44] <holstein> and its JACK ready?
[22:44] <gordonjcp> yes, it inherently uses jack because all other methods of capturing and playing back audio suck elephants through very fine mesh
[22:45]  * holstein gives gordonjcp a fits-bump
[22:45] <holstein> fist*
[22:45] <gordonjcp> since what I actually want it to do is process a block of samples periodically, and repeatedly, jack is utterly perfect
[22:45] <gordonjcp> and, I'm familiar with jack from doing LADSPA/DSSI hackery
[22:45] <gordonjcp> https://github.com/gordonjcp/lysdr/wiki
[22:45] <gordonjcp> ^ there's the github wiki page
[22:46] <holstein> you might be interested in #opensourcemusicians
[22:46] <gordonjcp> holstein: ooh interesting, yes
[22:46] <holstein> or rather, im sure some folk in that community would like to meet you :)
[22:46] <gordonjcp> holstein: I've kind of moved away from softsynths although I do plan to restart development of the nekosynth plugins Real Soon Now
[22:47] <gordonjcp> I've moved onto experimental microcontroller-based hybrid synths
[22:48] <gordonjcp> that look like this: http://www.gjcp.net/media/filter.jpg and sound like this: http://www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/ameniser.ogg
[22:48] <holstein> hehe
[22:48] <holstein> awesome
[22:49] <gordonjcp> drums and bass played on an Arduino Duemilanove and filtered through the board in the pic
[22:51] <holstein> gordonjcp: well, im restarting
[22:51] <holstein> (kernel update)
[22:52] <holstein> but im afraid it looks like im not getting that same error
[22:52] <holstein> gordonjcp: what are the chances the software you built is calling on those conflicting files?
[22:53] <holstein> a PPA is basically a repository by the way
[22:53] <holstein> IF you wanted to make your software easily available to ubuntu users
[22:53] <holstein> thats one way to do it
[22:53] <holstein> make your own PPA
[22:53] <holstein> and i can add it to my system
[22:53] <gordonjcp> holstein: righto
[22:53] <holstein> and apt-get it
[22:54] <gordonjcp> holstein: it's just built against jack
[22:54] <gordonjcp> I mean it's not trying to do anything really weird
[22:54] <holstein> could be something funky in the 32bit verion i suppose
[22:55] <holstein> did you try any flags with aptitude
[22:55] <holstein> -f or whatever
[22:55] <gordonjcp> no
[22:55] <holstein> i always have to reference the man page
[22:55] <holstein> or google ;)
[22:55] <gordonjcp> I'll look into it more tomorrow, it's nearly 2300 here
[22:55] <holstein> gordonjcp: good luck
[22:56] <holstein> i think that is easy enough to sort out
[23:53] <rlameiro> good evening everyone


[17:02] <ColonelPanik> SOPA makes it a felony to upload a video of someone singing a copyrighted song with up to 5 years in prison. Dr. Conrad Murray was convicted of manslaughter for killing Michael Jackson and only got a 4 year maximum sentence.
[17:02] <ColonelPanik> So it's a bigger crime to sing one of Michael Jackson's songs than it is to kill him.
[17:11] <mneptok> i would have said that without SOPA.
[17:11] <mneptok> *G*
[17:11] <ColonelPanik> Indeed.


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