[12:00] <funkyHat> once you have applied that, reinstall mozilla-firefox, mozilla-firefox-gnome-support, yelp, and mozilla-mplayer (if you had the last two to start with, of course)
[12:00] <Subliminal> is there a way to install the j2ee like the sdk/runtime as at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[12:00] <auk> cyphase: yep!!!
[12:00] <Seveas> Subliminal, yes, you can use the j2ee .bin file too
[12:00] <soothsayer> Seveas, I got an error: "Errors were encountered when processing php4-gd2"
[12:00] <benplaut> funkyHat: but i lose all my config, right?
[12:01] <Subliminal> Seveas: yeah, but i thought the other way would be nicer
[12:01] <Seveas> soothsayer, paste the complete output on the pastebin please
[12:01] <funkyHat> benplaut, you won't loose any of your personal config
[12:01] <benplaut> k
[12:01] <Seveas> Subliminal, 'other way'?
[12:01] <funkyHat> it's unlikely that you will loose anything that you'll notice
[12:01] <sexcopter8000m> ok, want to try this now, what's the command to restart gnome?
[12:01] <Subliminal> Seveas: using make-jpkg
[12:01] <Seveas> Subliminal, yes, you can use the j2ee .bin file too <-- with make-jpkg that is
[12:01] <Subliminal> oh
[12:01] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, <ctrl><alt><backspace>
[12:02] <Seveas> that will IMMEDIATELY kill all your programs
[12:02] <Seveas> and restart the X server
[12:02] <Subliminal> Seveas: it doesnt seem to like it :-/
[12:02] <sexcopter8000m> i tried that earlier. it left me with a command line. do i need a command to reload gnome?
[12:02] <Seveas> Subliminal, you might need to edit one of the make-jpkg files
[12:02] <funkyHat> sexcopter8000m, that should reload gnome automatically
[12:02] <sexcopter8000m> oh
[12:02] <sexcopter8000m> =/
[12:02] <Seveas> Subliminal, can you paste the error message and the complete filename on the pastebin please
[12:02] <soothsayer> what's the pastebin..? :/
[12:02] <soultaker> hello to all i have a issue with  gdesklets i can not make to work
[12:02] <pestilence> sexcopter8000m: if it doesn't come back, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[12:02] <Seveas> soothsayer, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:03] <soothsayer> k
[12:03] <sexcopter8000m> ok, ty, brb
[12:03] <funkyHat> benplaut, i did the whole firefox shebang earlier on :P
[12:03] <Subliminal> Seveas: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/784
[12:04] <soultaker> hello to all i have a issue with  gdesklets i can not make to work anyone can help ,me
[12:04] <soothsayer> seveas, output was posted
[12:05] <benplaut> funkyHat: and now... it won't open
[12:05] <sexcopter8000m> cool, this time ctrl alt backspace worked (?!?!) and i'm still in 1024
[12:05] <funkyHat> benplaut, eek =\
[12:05] <sexcopter8000m> so i consider that a successful job, cheers
[12:06] <benplaut> that's not a very comforting sound...
[12:07] <funkyHat> benplaut, do you have lots of extensions?
[12:07] <Seveas> Subliminal, it looks like that will require extensive tweeking to /usr/share/java-package/sun-j2sdk.sh
[12:07] <Seveas> Subliminal, are you up to that?
[12:07] <Aron_Figaro> Hey guys...I have a weird GCC issue. When I go to compile Wine it's telling me "Compiler Cannot Create Executables". Any ideas?
[12:07] <Subliminal> Seveas: probably not, especially not at 11pm
[12:07] <benplaut> funkyHat: i was hoping that wouldn't be the question...
[12:08] <kyncani> soultaker: gdesklets are broken in hoary i think
[12:08] <Seveas> soothsayer, sudo aptitude install libgd2-xpm t1lib1
[12:08] <benplaut> not many, but an extensive Adblock list
[12:08] <pestilence> Aron_Figaro: dumb question, but you *have* gcc, right?
[12:08] <Seveas> Subliminal, then you'll have to wait for someone else to do it. I'll give it a shot tomorrow.
[12:08] <Subliminal> Seveas: what sort of things would need doing?
[12:08] <pestilence> Aron_Figaro: as in, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:08] <soultaker> they dont work mmm bummer
[12:08] <black13> mcphail still here
[12:08] <Subliminal> Seveas: that would be great, shall i come back on or will you post it somewhere?
[12:08] <Seveas> Subliminal, you would need to do a bit of bash scripting to add j2ee to the detection system
[12:09] <funkyHat> benplaut, i don't know if that's the issue or not, i have LOADS of extensions, including adblock and sessionsaver, and my only issue with the new firefox is it won't close, i have to kill it
[12:09] <Seveas> Subliminal, come back in a day or two :)
[12:09] <Aron_Figaro> pestilence: done.
[12:09] <Aron_Figaro> pestilence: a long time ago XD
[12:09] <Subliminal> ok, thx
[12:09] <soothsayer> Seveas, it seems to have worked
[12:09] <Subliminal> night
[12:10] <bassinboy> anyone know a repo i can get transcode off of?
[12:10] <wayne__> Hi all
[12:11] <Aron_Figaro> Anyone else have any ideas on that error?
[12:11] <norhted> i tried sudo apt-get install mplayer-k6 to install mplayer,
[12:11] <norhted> but i got : Package mplayer-k6 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:11] <norhted> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:11] <norhted> is only available from another source
[12:12] <wayne__> Does anybody know why mame moans about being built for the wrong arch when installed from the Ubuntu Hoary 64 rep ?
[12:13] <Spud_> does anyone know which files i need to get in order to run wine?
[12:13] <Spud_> im looking at the repo now...
[12:13] <Aron_Figaro> Spud: I'm in the same boat, except trying to compile it.
[12:14] <Andares> >.<
[12:14] <Spud_> :(
[12:14] <Andares> HOW?!
[12:14] <Spud_> i dont think thatll help
[12:14] <Andares> wayne__, Maybe because you don't have the IA64 version.
[12:14] <mcphail> black13: back
[12:15] <mjr> Andares, IA64 is different from AMD64/EM64T, by the way
[12:16] <ubuntu> Seveas: him ok heres a link sudo wget http://www.bla.com/bla/bla/programe.tar.gz
[12:16] <wayne__> I have an AMD64 and my apt sources says Release amd64
[12:16] <ubuntu> and it don't work
[12:16] <Spud_> allright i think i found it...its installing?
[12:16] <ubuntu> only in firefox
[12:16] <othernoob> Spud_: Aron_Figaro: apt-get install wine  and apt-get install winesetuptk should be enough
[12:16] <black13> mcphail seems like debootstrap is working
[12:16] <wayne__> but if I install mame via apt it says wrong arch
[12:16] <Spud_> what happens next then?
[12:16] <wayne__> how can that happen
[12:16] <mcphail> black13: was it complicated to set up?
[12:16] <Spud_> its all set to go
[12:16] <ubuntu> Seveas:any clues?
[12:16] <Aron_Figaro> othernoob: I'm on AMD64, I have to compile from source, and when it does it says "Compiler cannot create executables" for some strange reason.
[12:17] <black13> no
[12:17] <black13> mcphail apt-get install debootstrap
[12:17] <othernoob> Aron_Figaro: mmh, asked in #wine-hq ?
[12:17] <soothsayer> hrm.. seveas, i believe it installed, but phpinfo() doesn't seem to be showing it
[12:18] <mcphail> black13: minimal environment installed?
[12:18] <black13> mcphail debootstrap hoary /chrootdir http://archive.ubuntu.org/???
[12:18] <Andares> mjr, I know. But I had no way of knowing what processor he was running.
[12:18] <Andares> Aron_Figaro, Paste the whole error into rafb.net/paste.
[12:18] <mjr> Andares, ah, I see
[12:19] <black13> mcphail not as minitimal as i want i am going to bend debootstrap (i have done this before) frew packages ...
[12:19] <wayne__> Andares, that's ok I should have said more clearly
[12:19] <Andares> What's EM64-T?
[12:19] <Andares> And haha@seb128's quit message.
[12:19] <wayne__> Andares, Intel's copy of AMD64
[12:19] <joe_> hello
[12:19] <Andares> Oh.
[12:19] <wayne__> Very slightly different
[12:19] <joe_> i need to update my Mozzilla
[12:20] <joe_> to the latest version as well as its security updates
[12:20] <mcphail> black13: it's wonderful when apt works really well, isn't it?
[12:20] <joe_> how/what is the best way to update my mozzilla
[12:20] <mjr> yah, basically just amd64, but they don't want to call it that, for some reason ;)
[12:20] <black13> mcphail dont jump up and down yet xorg doesnt seem to want to install
[12:21] <black13> mcphail inside the chroot i build
[12:21] <Aron_Figaro> Andares: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Y491nM35.html
[12:21] <mcphail> black13: i just want it for a chroot environment without x server
[12:21] <Spud_> ok so ive got those two wine packages
[12:21] <bassinboy> and one use dvdshrink on ubuntu?
[12:21] <Spud_> anyone know what i should do next?
[12:21] <black13> mcphail then your good to go
[12:21] <wayne__> mjr, is that mjr as in slef
[12:21] <mcphail> black13: excellent. thanks
[12:22] <mjr> wayne__, no
[12:22] <black13> mcphail what are you going to use the chroot for?
[12:23] <Andares> Wow...
[12:23] <IIIEars> bassinboy - did you see this link for ubuntu and dvdshrink? www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/dvdshrink/
[12:23] <Andares> Aron_Figaro, I have no clue how to fix that.... Try asking on ##linux.
[12:23] <delire> Spud_ so you've downloadd the packages or already installed them? sorry, i was busy.
[12:23] <icewt> how can i change the buttons etc. in gtk1 to something more pleasant than the default ones? i've done it before, but don't remember anymore how
[12:23] <joe_> hello
[12:23] <joe_> can anyone help
[12:23] <MartenH> Is there a command line to switch between different keyboard layouts if I have two installed?
[12:24] <mcphail> black13: not for me. A friend wants to let some people ssh to his box, but wants to be extra secure with his system files.
[12:24] <IIIEars> icewt - system . preferences . themes
[12:24] <delire> MartenH modmap
[12:24] <MartenH> Or even better to have the USB keyboard interpreted one way and the laptop one another way?
[12:24] <Spud_> it tells me i cant access winesetuptk
[12:24] <bassinboy> IIIEars: yeah, thanks though, but i want the native one
[12:24] <Spud_> but wine is dl'ed and installed
[12:24] <mcphail> black13: could strip out most things from the chroot environment
[12:24] <delire> Spud
[12:24] <delire> Spud_ and winsetup?
[12:24] <IIIEars> bassinboy - native? - hmm - nice
[12:25] <delire> Spud_ eg'winsetup' and <ENTER>
[12:25] <Spud_> i know i sound dumb here but its my first day using ubuntu
[12:25] <Spud_> actually any linux at all
[12:25] <delire> Spud_ hey no problem. we were all new to Linux once.
[12:25] <Spud_> command not found
[12:25] <icewt> IIIEars, err.. i don't think that affects gtk1
[12:25] <Spud_> i used the packet manager
[12:25] <Spud_> if that makes a diff
[12:26] <delire> Spud_ hmm, and what about 'wine'?
[12:26] <cs378> haha, just went to debian room, they all said ubuntu is better than suse
[12:26] <cs378> ok then
[12:26] <cs378> i guess u guys r right
[12:26] <cs378> lol
[12:26] <Spud_> creating directory
[12:26] <MartenH> delire: I think you lost me, in what way can modmap help me?
[12:26] <Spud_> and now i see something i havent before
[12:27] <delire> Spud_ perhaps there is no 'winesetup' anymore. perhaps just 'wine' handles all that on first execution.
[12:27] <Aron_Figaro> Andares: I just tried, so far nothing.
[12:27] <Spud_> hmm ok
[12:27] <Aron_Figaro> Can ANYONE make anything of this error: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Y491nM35.html
[12:27] <MartenH> delire: ok, can i use it to read from the installed keymaps? where are they located?
[12:28] <Spud_> am i going to have to edit a txt file of it?
[12:28] <delire> MartenH: i would ask my gf (who uses alternative keymaps) but she is very busy currently. i don't use modmap personally.
[12:28] <delire> Spud_ what has happened there?
[12:29] <Spud_> well i the help commands
[12:29] <MartenH> ok, let em know if she needs a break =)
[12:29] <Spud_> but dont know what to do with em
[12:29] <delire> MartenH: sure ;)
[12:30] <delire> anyone here setup Wine in Ubuntu? it's late here and it's been a long time since i've used wine.
[12:30] <Spud_> heh
[12:30] <delire> Spud_ here needs a hand
[12:30] <neo-world> hi all ou "salut" en franais
[12:31] <Spud_> i think i see what i might have to do...install the prog i want to run and type its name after wine
[12:31] <IIIEars> beinvenue?
[12:31] <redtech> anyone know of a really good we hosting software, control panel and what not?
[12:31] <neo-world> merci thanks
[12:31] <delire> Spud_ 'wine windowsprogram.exe' normally does it i think.
[12:31] <neo-world> ;)
[12:31] <cafuego> bonjour a #ubuntu
[12:31] <benplaut> redtech: Cpanel
[12:31] <redtech> thanks
[12:31] <delire> Spud_ sorry i don't use any win32 software other than the odd arcade emulator ;)
[12:32] <benplaut> 'welcome
[12:32] <delire> hah
[12:32] <kemik> delire:  you need to specify path too unless your in the right place to begin with
[12:32] <Spud_> thank you so much!!
[12:32] <basti> what can I use instead of this worthless samba version that is in ubuntu?
[12:32] <delire> kemik: not me, Spud_ here
[12:32] <Spud_> it works :)
[12:32] <delire> Spud_ great ;)
[12:32] <Spud_> i think eheh
[12:33] <IIIEars> delire - Does AMD64 insulate you from bufferoverflows with 32 bit libraries?
[12:33] <Spud_> :) ubuntu owns windows
[12:33] <kemik> not really
[12:33] <delire> IIIEars: not as far as i'm aware
[12:33] <delire> Spud_ ;)
[12:33] <cafuego> windows? what's that?
[12:33] <kemik> ubuntu is nice tho
[12:33] <mjr> IIIEars, there's really no reason it would
[12:33] <kemik> but hardware support is ages behind windows
[12:34] <delire> cafuego: isn't it an island somewhere?
[12:34] <basti> what can I use instead of samba?
[12:34] <IIIEars> Spud -  Ubuntu is amazing if all else were equal and they are not just the customisable look of the interface would make many switch. :)
[12:34] <kemik> basti:  NFS
[12:34] <funkyHat> kemik, that's because the hardware manufacturers have little choice but to write drivers for windows
[12:34] <benplaut> delire: that covers 90% of the world?
[12:34] <delire> kemik: bah not true. try installing XP on very old hardware
[12:34] <kemik> delire:  at least i got a bunch of CDs with windowsdrivers then ;)
[12:34] <cafuego> delire: I think so, isn't it a few hundred clicks south of antarctica?
[12:34] <basti> kemik, what is it called in apt-get?
[12:34] <delire> benplaut: not sure, my atlas doesn't seem to have an entry for it.
[12:34] <benplaut> ahh
[12:34] <delire> cafuego: ahah, that'd be it.
[12:34] <neo-world> can i have any problem to use VLC media player with ubuntu?
[12:34] <Aron_Figaro> delire: try installing XP on anything with less than 512 MB of RAM, you mean ;)
[12:35] <delire> Aron_Figaro: hmmm
[12:35] <cafuego> Try installing XP in under half an hour.
[12:35] <kemik> basti: portmap and some more stuff, think you should follow a How-To, and also NFS only works between *nix OS's
[12:35] <Aron_Figaro> LOL @ Cafu :p
[12:35] <IIIEars> lol@cafuego
[12:35] <Aron_Figaro> So nobody can make any sense of this error?
[12:35] <kemik> basti: ie; if you got windows on your net, its not a good solution
[12:35] <basti> arf :S
[12:35] <MartenH> delire: No need to disturbe your gf, found them. They are in /usr/share/xmodmap/
[12:35] <Aron_Figaro> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Y491nM35.html
[12:35] <kemik> basti:  dont get samba to work?
[12:35] <Aron_Figaro> Anyone? PLEASE! :p
[12:35] <delire> MartenH: great ;)
[12:36] <joe_> Has anyone got any idea of the best way to update Mozzilla
[12:36] <kemik> funkyHat:  mhm, its sortof Catch22
[12:36] <Spud_> allright i installed my windows irc client brb :)
[12:36] <joe_> help
[12:36] <kemik> funkyHat:  noone uses linux cause hw-support is bad, and noone writes drivers because noone uses linux
[12:36] <IIIEars> joe_ - the topic has something about it.
[12:36] <kemik> (noone = not many .. ; ) )
[12:36] <kemik> i bet Spud installed mirc ;)
[12:37] <Aron_Figaro> My mouse just died again. Any ideas why a USB mouse would randomly disable itself after a given amount of time?
[12:37] <IIIEars> kemik - wine mirc?
[12:37] <benplaut> Aron: power in the port fizzling out?
[12:37] <kemik> IIIEars:  why not?
[12:37] <benplaut> circuit breaker in the mouse?
[12:37] <Aron_Figaro> ben: nope, it's not hardware. I've only ever had this happen since installing Hoary.
[12:38] <Aron_Figaro> I doubt it's hardware.
[12:38] <neo-world> what kind of mouse do you use?
[12:38] <benplaut> hmm
[12:38] <Aron_Figaro> M$ Intellimouse, USB.
[12:38] <neo-world> the brand partuculary
[12:38] <benplaut> that explains :P
[12:38] <IIIEars> !mouse
[12:38] <ubotu> hmm... mouse is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
[12:38] <wayne__> Aron, same thing happens to my keyboard whenever I unplug my plantronics headset
[12:38] <Aron_Figaro> Weird.
[12:38] <Prozac> can somebody help me get my ipod shuffle working with gtkpod?
[12:38] <benplaut> my intellimouse works just fine...
[12:38] <confrey> hi everybody
[12:38] <Aron_Figaro> So it's like when I turn on my printer and the whole system locks? Bad driver?
[12:38] <wayne__> intellimouse here as well, no probs
[12:39] <basti> kemik, samba sais I got no rights even though it isnt pass protected ;S
[12:39] <IIIEars> "" intellimouse - more buttons on it than fingers on one hand. - lol
[12:39] <benplaut> the few peics of hardware MS makes are actually quite good...
[12:39] <Aron_Figaro> I just stuck a PS/2 adapter on it. Fixed. ;)
[12:39] <basti> and just 1 pc finds the other.. very strange
[12:39] <Mez> Seveas: you awake?
[12:39] <benplaut> Aron: that tends to work :P
[12:40] <wayne__> yeh the keyboards are pretty good, but I prefer my laptop style one (made by coolermaster)
[12:40] <Aron_Figaro> lol
[12:40] <Prozac> can somebody help me get my ipod shuffle working with gtkpod?
[12:40] <benplaut> i actually prefer my laptop keyboard to a desktop keyboard
[12:40] <IIIEars> !gtkpod
[12:40] <ubotu> IIIEars: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[12:40] <benplaut> Thinkpad...
[12:40] <IIIEars> !ipod
[12:40] <ubotu> from memory, ipod is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IPodHowto
[12:41] <IIIEars> did that help?
[12:41] <kemik> basti: you got how many pcs?
[12:41] <kemik> basti: you can ping their IP addys etc?
[12:41] <wayne__> benplaut, search for the coolermaster CM gear keyboard then
[12:41] <benplaut> WHY the HELL did i ever decide to update my perfectly good firefox 1.04?!?!
[12:41] <wayne__> laptop stype but with keypad, I love mine
[12:41] <wayne__> cost 18 in UK
[12:42] <wayne__> looks the biz and is nice and heavy, bezel is metal
[12:42] <cafuego> benplaut: it's not a higher version number so it's gotta be better and faster lolol!
[12:42] <benplaut> humph
[12:43] <benplaut> not funny
[12:43] <delire> hehe
[12:43] <cafuego> it's funny in MY head
[12:43] <kemik> go back to the older version ?
[12:43] <benplaut> YOUR head with a working firefox?
[12:43] <Prozac> can somebody help me get my ipod shuffle working with gtkpod?
[12:43] <benplaut> yes, i suppose i can
[12:43] <delire> benplaut: firefox is a bit irritating like this
[12:43] <cafuego> benplaut: yes, my firefox works fine.
[12:44] <benplaut> but now that i've started, my conscience tells me to finish the job
[12:44] <IIIEars> benplaut - someone had trouble after updating to 1.06 with their printer segfaulting anyone else see that?
[12:44] <delire> benplaut 1.0.4 works fine here also.
[12:44] <crimsun> d'oh, limit reached.
[12:44] <delire> lol
[12:44] <cafuego> topic spammer ;-)
[12:45] <Prozac> why is gtkpod so hard to use?
[12:45] <kemik> ouch
[12:45] <benplaut> bacuase it's trying to interface with Apple products?
[12:45] <wayne__> lol
[12:45] <delire> crimsun: as you are most in the know where Ubuntu and sound is concerned, what is the plan for Breezy and sound? dmix perhaps?
[12:46] <Mez> Prozac, cause it has technolog to get past before it can add the bling
[12:46] <IIIEars> "Backports now official"? - erm what does that mean? - won't there still be problems with future upgrades if you usse it?
[12:46] <benplaut> i heard that it's fixed, and something like "Alsa Mix"
[12:46] <Burgundavia> delire, dmix already enabled
[12:46] <delire> Burgundavia: right, ok good.
[12:46] <Burgundavia> IIIEars, shouldn't be. offiicial means that they are on archive.ubuntu.com
[12:46] <wayne__> lets just go back to ESD....lol
[12:46] <delire> no!!!
[12:46] <delire> the 'Not So Enlightened Sound Daemon'
[12:46] <IIIEars> Burgundavia - Ah - thanks.
[12:47] <wayne__> used to love the way it made the noise about half an hour after it was supposed to
[12:47] <benplaut> hrrmph
[12:47] <benplaut> still no firefox
[12:47] <delire> wayne__: it's always a pain in the ass
[12:48] <Xyc0> why so much for firefox tho?
[12:48] <LasseL> benplaut, i just updated firefox
[12:48] <Xyc0> it's not overly complicated prog
[12:48] <benplaut> for me, it is
[12:49] <black13> mcphail got xorg to work
[12:49] <joe_> which topic
[12:50] <joe_> can no one help me in updating mozzilla?
[12:50] <kemik> joe_:  maybe you shouldnt update
[12:50] <joe_> i need the PSM
[12:51] <joe_> so i can view secure sites
[12:51] <crimsun> delire, dmix was enabled by default some months ago. Breezy will ship with it.
[12:51] <joe_> its because i require PSM (Personla Security Manager) that i wish to update my version of mozzilla
[12:51] <joe_> any ideas
[12:51] <delire> crimsun: right, excellent.
[12:51] <benplaut> contrary to popular beleif, Dillo is actaully slow as hell
[12:52] <kemik> joe_:  Mozilla Firefox?
[12:52] <IIIEars> Dmix - nice
[12:52] <moparfan90> hello. does anyone know PYTHON very good? i need a little help. please help me
[12:52] <delire> moparfan90: perhaps i can help
[12:52] <kemik> or try  a #python channel
[12:52] <delire> moparfan90: though #python is a good resource.
[12:52] <moparfan90> delire, do you have AIM  or ICQ??
[12:52] <joe_> umm.. not firefox
[12:52] <delire> moparfan90: neither
[12:52] <joe_> Just mozzilla the web browser
[12:52] <boga> anyone succesfully using apache on ununtu? I have failed to get it running even after installing all the Apache2.0.x packages!
[12:53] <moparfan90> o
[12:53] <moparfan90> can we talk somewhere with less people?
[12:53] <delire> boga: what does http://localhost in the browser give you?
[12:53] <kemik> joe_:  ok.. dunno how to upgrade that one
[12:53] <kemik> boga:  /etc/init.d/apache start
[12:53] <moparfan90> kemik, what server is #python on?
[12:53] <delire> moparfan90: it's nearly 1am here, soon i will leave. i would try #python for sustained support unless the question is quick.
[12:53] <kemik> moparfan90:  EFnet
[12:54] <boga> just a sec
[12:54] <moparfan90> ok
[12:54] <joe_> thanx anyway
[12:54] <moparfan90> how do i run a .py on ubuntu?
[12:54] <delire> moparfan90: python file.py
[12:54] <joe_> i'll check in another forum
[12:54] <joe_> bye
[12:54] <kemik> bye
[12:54] <moparfan90> ok
[12:54] <moparfan90> thank
[12:54] <boga> delire: It says An error occurred while loading http://<IP_ADDRESS>/: Could not connect to host <IP_ADDRESS>. !!
[12:55] <benplaut> oh, great
[12:55] <LED_scorched> does any one know if ubuntu suports the PNY Verto video Card?
[12:55] <benplaut> your computer is supposed to be schizo, but it's not
[12:55] <delire> boga: odd. have you '/etc/init.d/apache start' as kemik suggests?
[12:55] <boga> kemik: It says..."apache is not executable, not starting"
[12:55] <cafuego> and it woudn't help much with apache2 anyway.
[12:55] <moparfan90> kemik, is EFnet  irc.efnet.com or something else?
[12:55] <delire> ahah apache2
[12:56] <boga> delire: or should I use apache 1.3 instead?
[12:56] <benplaut> OK, what am i doing wrong.
[12:56] <DekaPink> Hey all... Whenever I try to burn CDs in K3b or gnomebaker, they always seem to fail right at the end when they're fixating or whatever. :3
[12:56] <kemik> moparfan90:  .org is my guess
[12:56] <delire> boga: '/etc/init.d/apache2 start'
[12:56] <moparfan90>  o
[12:56] <pippijn> hi all
[12:56] <DekaPink> The CDs seem to work just fine, though... I just don't know if it causes any problems, I guess.
[12:56] <benplaut> i did completel uninstalls of firefox, mozilla-firefox, and mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[12:56] <kemik> moparfan90:  www.efnet.org <- for serverlist
[12:56] <pippijn> I get connection attempts from the NTP servers I use for synchronizing my time. Why do they do that?
[12:56] <benplaut> then i disabled backport
[12:57] <moparfan90> thanks kemik
[12:57] <pippijn> every minute or so they all try
[12:57] <boga> delire: that returns nothing and still cannot connect!
[12:57] <pippijn> each of the 4
[12:57] <benplaut> then i reinstalled mozilla-firefox, mozilla-mplayer, etc
[12:57] <benplaut> and nothing
[12:57] <crimsun> pippijn, that's how the protocol functions. It's normal.
[12:57] <kemik> pippijn:  you dont request them to? in order to sync. your clock
[12:57] <delire> boga: well no idea. what does 'dpkg -l | grep apache' give you?
[12:57] <LasseL> benplaut, try installing "ubuntu-desktop"
[12:57] <LED_scorched> does ubuntu support PNY video cards?
[12:57] <pippijn> crimsun: but the port 123 is not forwarded from my NAT, how can the servers then reach my port 123?
[12:57] <delire> LED_scorched: see the supported hardware list on the Ubuntu wiki
[12:57] <benplaut> LasseL: k
[12:58] <boga> delire: gives me so much stuff...may I post it in #flood?
[12:58] <LasseL> benplaut, i am no expert, but it worked for me
[12:58] <crimsun> pippijn, it doesn't need to be forwarded if the connection originated from you
[12:58] <benplaut> k
[12:58] <delire> boga: sure
[12:58] <pippijn> hm
[12:58] <boga> Ok
[12:58] <pippijn> crimsun: do I need to allow the servers to connect?
[12:58] <wayne__> LED_scorched: It doesn't matter who makes them, it's the chipset that counts
[12:58] <kemik> pippijn:  its already an established connection
[12:58] <wayne__> if it is nvidia it will work
[12:58] <crimsun> pippijn, it's best that you do, but it's not vital.
[12:58] <moparfan90> does anyone know how i can make a python script a cool looking pogram? not in console?
[12:58] <pippijn> kemik: I have a firewall that blocks it
[12:59] <pippijn> crimsun: why is it better?
[12:59] <boga> delire: posted
[12:59] <crimsun> pippijn, because the more clocks that are synced, the lower jitter there is
[12:59] <pippijn> I'm not following you
[12:59] <pippijn> the server should know the time itself no?
[01:00] <pippijn> why does it want to look at me what time I have?
[01:00] <pippijn> and what is jitter?
[01:00] <moparfan90> does anyone know how o make a python script a stand alone program for linux and windows??????
[01:00] <pippijn> moparfan90: you can't
[01:00] <pippijn> it's impossible to make a standalone program that runs on both linux and windows
[01:00] <moparfan90> i think you can... i saw a program .... but i dont remember the url
[01:01] <moparfan90> well with just one of them?
[01:01] <pippijn> a python gui script?
[01:01] <pippijn> why not ask #python?
[01:01] <LasseL> moparfan90, get the source code for ipodder.sf.net
[01:01] <moparfan90> ok
[01:01] <pippijn> crimsun: what is jitter?
[01:02] <LasseL> ipodder is crossplatform, looks great and is written i python
[01:02] <holycow> pippijn, not exactly true, some bastardized .net apps can have perfect cross compatability, but i think i see your general point :)
[01:02] <moparfan90> oo ok cool
[01:02] <crimsun> pippijn, variations in the signal, in this context
[01:02] <pippijn> okay
[01:02] <delire> boga: i notice you don't have several apache2 dependencies satsfied however, like apache2-mpm-worker,  apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-perchild
[01:03] <pippijn> holycow: .net apps... are those standalone?
[01:03] <pippijn> not needing any libs or so
[01:03] <pippijn> interpreters
[01:03] <boga> delire: I will try the version 1.3.
[01:03] <mcphail> delire: i don't have these and apache2 works perfectly
[01:03] <delire> boga: that's what i use.
[01:03] <holycow> can be, mono on linux has the intention to provide binary compatability with a chunk of .net
[01:03] <LasseL> moparfan90, be aware though, that python is as heavy and slow as java imho
[01:03] <delire> mcphail: right.. here on debian these come up as dependencies
[01:03] <holycow> lots of python/wxwidgets and other types of cross platform toolkits
[01:04] <holycow> that are not only cross platform for win/lin but many other platforms as well
[01:04] <crimsun> LasseL, I think you need to qualify that statement ;)
[01:04] <holycow> many ways to slice a horse
[01:04] <holycow> :)
[01:04] <delire> hmm wxpython, what a lovely thing that is.
[01:04] <pippijn> holycow: this sounds like java
[01:04] <pippijn> but you need the VM for it
[01:04] <pippijn> I can say... okay there is compatibility because I can run picture publisher in vmware
[01:05] <pippijn> or paint shop pro in crossover office or wine
[01:05] <holycow> pippijn, of course, but the key difference sans the requirement for windows
[01:05] <holycow> where windows is a platform
[01:05] <delire> LasseL: it's not heavy and slow at all. just don't use an interpreted language where an interpreted language shouldn't be used. i code in python daily, and when i want to optomise i compile *pyc, and if i need more juice, C.
[01:05] <holycow> or gimp on windows, mac and linux
[01:05] <holycow> btw, gtk has decent windows support
[01:05] <pippijn> holycow: that is a bad example
[01:05] <pippijn> gimp needs to be recompiled for each
[01:06] <pippijn> gimp.exe and gimp (mach executable and linux ELF executable)
[01:06] <holycow> well if you want to slice it that way, okay :)
[01:06] <mcphail> apache2-common apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils libapache2-mod-php4 work well here
[01:06] <holycow> your still right that in general apps are not compatible
[01:06] <delire> mcphail: right
[01:07] <JingleBells> any ideas how to get vmware in windows to boot into my ubuntu linux partition
[01:07] <cafuego> mcphail: yes, i think the issue was that boga didn't have the ACTUAL apache binary, only the cools and libs from -common.
[01:07] <JingleBells> it moans about not being able to find /dev/console
[01:07] <pippijn> JingleBells: use the whole disk
[01:07] <delire> cafuego: <boga> ii  apache2        2.0.53-5ubuntu next generation, scalable,
[01:07] <pippijn> ?
[01:07] <pippijn> huh?
[01:07] <JingleBells> ah, not just my partition
[01:07] <delire> cafuego: from #flood
[01:07] <pippijn> it can't find the console
[01:08] <pippijn> JingleBells: that did not work for me
[01:08] <mcphail> cafuego: I dont have the base apache2 package either. No problems without it
[01:08] <cafuego> delire: apache2 != apache2-mpm-prefork
[01:08] <pippijn> just the partition didn'T work
[01:08] <pippijn> for me...
[01:08] <delire> cafuego: as i said..
[01:08] <citrus_> whats the command for beep media player
[01:08] <citrus_> ?
[01:08] <citrus_> ?
[01:08] <Mobus> bmp i beleive
[01:08] <pippijn> citrus_: bmp
[01:08] <mcphail> IIRC, the prefork is the version which actually _works_
[01:08] <Mobus> don't trust me though
[01:09] <delire> cafuego: these are depends, at least here on debian. apache2-mpm-worker (= 2.0.54-4)  apache2-mpm-prefork (= 2.0.54-4) apache2-mpm-perchild (= 2.0.54-4).
[01:09] <pippijn> do trust him
[01:09] <pippijn> he is right
[01:09] <Mobus> cool for once
[01:09] <delire> cafuego: why ubuntu didn't pull them down with a simple apt-get install apache2 i don't know.
[01:09] <pippijn> :)
[01:09] <cafuego> delire: Coz it can only have *one* of those and which one depends on what you intend to do with it. it *has* to have user intervention.
[01:10] <mcphail> delire: i think these are just variant threading models for the httpd daemon. I'm sure the prefork version is the only stable one, however
[01:10] <delire> cafuego: ahah..
[01:10] <delire> cafuego: mcphail: shows i still use 1.3 eh ;)
[01:10] <citrus_> apt get shows that beep media player is install   but... bmp  = command not found
[01:10] <[SteveB] > heya people...
[01:10] <cafuego> delire: Ie: the prefork one is most used coz it works with php4 (which depends on non-threadsafe libs). The other may or may not improve performance for non-php4 servers.
[01:10] <mcphail> delire: i don't use it for anything that couldn't be done in 1.3
[01:11] <JingleBells> i get http://www.pete-b.co.uk/pics/vmware.jpg as my errors
[01:11] <delire> righty.. interesting.
[01:11] <JingleBells> just tried booting into partition aswell
[01:11] <delire> this new request/response filtering in apache2 looks tempting though.
[01:11] <Nikopol> Quick question.  I'm running the current linux-686 kernel and when I install ndiswrapper-utils I'm getting only a 386 kernel and I can't modprobe it?
[01:12] <Mobus> I told you not to trust me
[01:12] <cafuego> *safely* away from 2.0
[01:12] <pippijn> Mobus: you would have been right on freebsd
[01:12] <delire> hehe, this is what i've heard
[01:12] <Mobus> but this ubuntu, not BSD
[01:13] <pippijn> yeah
[01:13] <Mobus> trust me, I'm always wrong
[01:13] <vader1102> grrrrrrrrr anyone nkow how I can get my sound working under warty?
[01:13] <Mobus> that's why I got ubuntu
[01:13] <Mobus> warty ?
[01:13] <benplaut> ARRRGGGHH!!
[01:13] <Nikopol> vader1102: not working at all or only in games?
[01:13] <kemik> vader1102:  upgrade to hoary ;)
[01:13] <Mobus> vader1102 what's your problem?
[01:13] <pippijn> why warty?
[01:13] <delire> vader1102: upgrade to hoary perhaps?
[01:13] <benplaut> this firefox issue is very annoying
[01:13] <pippijn> hoary is almost stable
[01:14] <kemik> hoary is stable
[01:14] <Nikopol> indeed
[01:14] <vader1102> I would but no blank cd's
[01:14] <delire> benplaut: what _isn't_ working?
[01:14] <Nikopol> Breezy is the unstable one
[01:14] <pippijn> it's not officially stable yet
[01:14] <delire> vader1102: hehe
[01:14] <benplaut> the real question... what _is_?
[01:14] <pippijn> hoary is testing if you can call it so
[01:14] <benplaut> nothing is working
[01:14] <pippijn> warty is stable
[01:14] <Mobus> vader1102: order CDs, you don't need to brun them
[01:14] <pippijn> but it doesn't work
[01:14] <pippijn> well
[01:14] <delire> vader1102: you can upgrade without burning off hoary.
[01:14] <benplaut> type firefox in the terminal, and nothing happens
[01:14] <pippijn> not for me that is
[01:14] <benplaut> no errors or anything
[01:15] <pippijn> benplaut: give up and get opera
[01:15] <Nikopol> hoary is better than warty for me
[01:15] <pippijn> I had that issue with a friend's pc
[01:15] <pippijn> nothing helped
[01:15] <benplaut> meh\
[01:15] <pippijn> tried everything
[01:15] <delire> benplaut: perhaps try (if you don't have any bookmarks or other settings you need) 'rm -fr ~/.firefox'
[01:15] <vader1102> so I am stuck... it tells me sorry no mixer elements and or devices
[01:15] <pippijn> benplaut: you can try the things we tried
[01:15] <benplaut> i did
[01:15] <crimsun> vader1102, what sound device?
[01:15] <phlaegel> anybody using breezy and tried to change any keyboard layout options?
[01:16] <pippijn> benplaut: try /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox
[01:16] <MAPD> Slipaway172?
[01:16] <vader1102> the sound on my dell laptop, latitude cpi
[01:16] <vader1102> p2 366
[01:16] <pippijn> benplaut: try with --no-shm
[01:16] <pippijn> ehm
[01:16] <pippijn> --no-xshm
[01:16] <benplaut> pippijn: it is busy for a sec, then it just goes back to the terminal
[01:16] <benplaut> nuttin happens
[01:17] <pippijn> same was with us
[01:17] <mmoscosa> does anybody knows why i cant send or ecieve files through amsn?!?!
[01:17] <pippijn> benplaut: try --no-xshm and -safe-mode and the 4 combinations of those
[01:17] <pippijn> so either off and reverse and both on
[01:17] <Nikopol> mmoscosa: doesnt' work well under windows either IIRC
[01:17] <pippijn> 3 combinations
[01:18] <Nikopol> I can get files but it's excuciatingly slow through gaim
[01:18] <Nikopol> I tend to give up and ask to get them emailed to gmail.
[01:18] <delire> benplaut: if i were you i would delete all local firefox settings and then start up. i bet it's an issue with user registration.
[01:18] <pippijn> Nikopol: things are slow if you don't do a direct connection
[01:18] <mmoscosa> Nikopol: is there a fast way?
[01:18] <pippijn> which needs you to have a hundred of ports open
[01:18] <benplaut> pippijn: AHA! thanks, that worked
[01:18] <mmoscosa> Nikopol i am using ubuntu...
[01:19] <moparfan90> bye. thanks people. :)
[01:19] <pippijn> benplaut: really?
[01:19] <Nikopol> mmoscosa:
[01:19] <pippijn> it didn't work for us
[01:19] <benplaut> yup
[01:19] <pippijn> that's just all we tried
[01:19] <Nikopol> don't think so
[01:19] <benplaut> after i force killed firefox-bin
[01:19] <mmoscosa> Nikopol what?!
[01:19] <benplaut> i think the problem was that it was open in the background the whole time
[01:19] <delire> benplaut: oh
[01:19] <dam_> can i use modprobe to activate a  ISA soundcard?
[01:19] <pippijn> hm
[01:19] <pippijn> okay
[01:20] <pippijn> that is a different problem than we had
[01:20] <crimsun> vader1102, sudo modprobe snd_cs4236
[01:20] <Nikopol> pippijn: you mean a direct connection not from behind a NA?T
[01:20] <pippijn> I still don't know what it is
[01:20] <crimsun> dam_, yes
[01:20] <cafuego> dam_: Probably; is it an isapnp one?
[01:20] <benplaut> so... now i can lock the package and re-enable backports?
[01:20] <pippijn> Nikopol: yes or have all the ports it needs to connect to forwarded
[01:20] <Nikopol> pippijn: I think the ports were open but was behind a NAT
[01:21] <pippijn> Nikopol: open but not forwarded
[01:21] <Nikopol> aha
[01:21] <Nikopol> maybe
[01:21] <vader1102> crimsun:fatal error no such device
[01:21] <benplaut> and my favorite forums just got /.'ed       :/
[01:21] <pippijn> can people here try sshign to xinutec.mine.nu:22?
[01:21] <vader1102> but I have a small amount of sound....hmmmmmmm
[01:21] <cafuego> delire: killall <appname>
[01:21] <delire> cafuego: sometimes ;)
[01:21] <cafuego> delire: kill  -9 -1
[01:22] <crimsun> vader1102, isapnp=0 ?
[01:22] <delire> cafuego: yes
[01:22] <cafuego> And of course there's always good old [RESET]  ;-)
[01:22] <mmoscosa> brb
[01:22] <delire> hehe
[01:22] <pippijn> cafuego: of you are desperate... killall -9 -1
[01:22] <pippijn> ;)
[01:22] <vader1102> crimsun: how do I find out?
[01:22] <pippijn> can someone try my SSH?
[01:22] <pippijn> xinutec.mine.nu port 22
[01:22] <alex88> please help
[01:22] <delire> pippijn: jesus, you're brave
[01:22] <alex88> what are the difference from hoary and warty ?
[01:22] <pippijn> hrm
[01:23] <pippijn> good thanks
[01:23] <cafuego> pippijn: it's either slow or not working.
[01:23] <crimsun> vader1102, try sudo modprobe snd_cs4236 isapnp=0
[01:23] <delire> pippijn: nothing yet
[01:23] <pippijn> you can stop
[01:23] <pippijn> it doesn't work
[01:23] <delire> pippijn: want me to nmap -sT you?
[01:23] <mcphail> pippijn: weneed the root password ;p
[01:23] <pippijn> delire: what does that do?
[01:23] <alex88> it's like stable and testing in debian ?
[01:23] <alex88> wich is more recently ?
[01:23] <cafuego> delire: if you do that, I'l;l start ping -s 2048 -f
[01:23] <delire> hehe
[01:24] <pippijn> pings will hang at my NAT
[01:24] <pippijn> well
[01:24] <pippijn> anyways,
[01:24] <alex88> anyone...
[01:24] <vader1102> crimsun: fatal error, no such device
[01:24] <alex88> what are the difference from hoary and warty ?
[01:24] <cafuego> pippijn: Even if they're 2Kb in size and go at 1000 pings per sec?
[01:24] <pippijn> cafuego: maybe you will ping my NAT down
[01:24] <pippijn> so what?
[01:24] <alex88> what are the difference from hoary and warty ?
[01:24] <crimsun> vader1102, you may have to specify all the irq and dma values
[01:25] <delire> crimsun: an upgrade to hoary wouldn't improve his situation?
[01:25] <MartenH> how can I alternate between calling something.se and something.us with the same command?
[01:25] <pippijn> I will be disconnected but you won't get access to my system
[01:25] <vader1102> okay, I specified irq7 but do not know how to go about doing the dma
[01:25] <funkyHat> alex88, hoary is simply a more recent version
[01:25] <pippijn> besides...
[01:25] <Slipaway172> pippijn, LOL
[01:25] <cafuego> pippijn: Depends, if it's a linux box it'll be fine.
[01:25] <pippijn> isn't 2KB too much?
[01:25] <MartenH> similar to xmodmap /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodap.$TEST && TEST=($TEST==se ? us : se) ...but working
[01:25] <pippijn> cafuego: it's a HW router
[01:25] <alex88> funkyHat, and warty ?
[01:25] <funkyHat> is older ;)
[01:26] <delire> MartenH: you can put these xmodmap files in ~/ ;)
[01:26] <cafuego> Used on someone in a computerlab who was playing a celine dion cd :-)
[01:26] <cafuego> The mac stopped crashing when the cd stopped... odd.
[01:26] <pippijn> now I would like to know why my SSH server to which I forward the port is trying to connect through some very high ports to those people who SSHed to me
[01:26] <alex88> doesn't exist a unstable/testing branch like in debian ?
[01:26] <delire> cafuego: a just application if ever i've heard one.
[01:26] <alex88> anyway thx for help
[01:26] <dam_> crimsun, cafuego : i believe it to be. BIOS recognises it. and there are no IO conflicts.
[01:27] <pippijn> 40529 and so
[01:27] <brad[] > Hello all, I'm using an Acer 2304 and trying to set up the built-in wifi. it's using an InProcomm IPN2220 wireless NIC - most suggestions lately revolve around using ndiswrapper, but I've seen this suggested even though native drivers exist on some notebooks. Has anyone gotten this model wireless NIC going?
[01:27] <pippijn> does anyone know?
[01:27] <MartenH> delire: BU moving them doesn't help woth my problem...?
[01:27] <cafuego> pippijn: Those are prolly the port we're connecting *from*
[01:27] <pippijn> well
[01:27] <cafuego> pippijn: Let me see..
[01:27] <delire> MartenH: i'm not up to date on your problem.
[01:28] <dam_> what or how to a modprobe?
[01:28] <cafuego> pippijn: Got one to a port 40580 atm?
[01:28] <pippijn> cafuego: port 40580, source = my ssh server, destination = your host, protocol TCP
[01:28] <pippijn> yep
[01:28] <cafuego> pippijn: yes, 40580 is the port on my box I'm coming FROM.
[01:28] <pippijn> oh
[01:28] <pippijn> so what can I do?
[01:28] <Slipaway172> like WTF is going on
[01:28] <MartenH> delire. I want to set up xbindleys so that each time I press ctrl-Alt-s it alternates between two xmodmap files
[01:29] <cafuego> pippijn; Set the firewall to allow '-m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED'
[01:29] <blmartin777> I can't get mpc to play any ideas
[01:29] <MartenH> delire: my attempt was xmodmap /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodap.$TEST && TEST=($TEST==se ? us : se)  .. which failed
[01:29] <cafuego> pippijn: ie: tell it to allow any packates that are part of an already established connection.
[01:29] <cafuego> packets, too
[01:29] <pippijn> okay
[01:29] <pippijn> inbound or outbound?
[01:30] <cafuego> both
[01:30] <pippijn> okay
[01:30] <pippijn> how would that rule look like?
[01:30] <cafuego> together with ip_conntrack_ftp that will allow you to ftp in, too.
[01:30] <pippijn> cafuego: I don't run FTP
[01:30] <cafuego> pippijn: iptables -A INPUT -i <iface> -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
[01:30] <dam_> brb. putting ISApnp soundcard in. someone will be able to help me get it working?
[01:31] <pippijn> cafuego: can you try again?
[01:31] <crimsun> delire, it's hard to say. He could try the alsa-source package in universe prior to dist-upgrading to Hoary.
[01:31] <cafuego> Still nuffin
[01:31] <pippijn> still not
[01:31] <pippijn> okay wait
[01:31] <cafuego> pippijn: iptables -A OUTPUT -o <iface> -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
[01:32] <mazzabr> er...
[01:32] <cafuego> pippijn: or mebbe allow outgoing from sport tcp 22
[01:32] <mazzabr> excuse me.
[01:32] <pippijn> wait
[01:32] <mazzabr> could anybody please send me a copy of a original file from ubuntu hoary??
[01:32] <pippijn> cafuego: again
[01:32] <pippijn> nope
[01:32] <mazzabr> I think I've found a bug.
[01:32] <pippijn> again
[01:32] <pippijn> huh?
[01:33] <pippijn> I did as you said
[01:33] <pippijn> iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
[01:33] <cafuego> It's getting blocked somewhere, still.
[01:33] <cafuego> pippijn: Did you allow outgoing too?
[01:33] <pippijn> hm
[01:33] <pippijn> no
[01:33] <mazzabr> /etc/X11/xkb/keycodes/xfree86
[01:33] <pippijn> -A OUTPUT?
[01:33] <cafuego> pippijn: ... and are there any rules before that, which might be rejecting packets?
[01:33] <mazzabr> can anybody please send this file to me?
[01:33] <cafuego> pippijn: -A OUTPUT -o
[01:33] <pippijn> done
[01:33] <pippijn> cafuego: try again
[01:34] <pippijn> meh
[01:34] <pippijn> I don't get it
[01:34] <cafuego> pippijn: flush the output rules; set the policy to ACCEPT
[01:34] <pippijn> ok
[01:34] <IFRFLYR> okay this is *massively* weird: in galeon AND FF when I go to php.net/in_array, I cannot see any of the examples, just the backgrounds.
[01:34] <nalioth> quote capab identify-msg
[01:34] <cafuego> IFRFLYR: Font problem.
[01:34] <cafuego> IFRFLYR: Choose a different font and see it magically work.
[01:35] <Slipaway172> nalioth, how do you do those wierd comments>?\
[01:35] <cafuego> nalioth: Poor thing, anything we can do to change that?
[01:35] <IFRFLYR> cafuego: sounds lovely - choose a different in WHAT and it will magically work?
[01:35] <IFRFLYR> ;)
[01:35] <pippijn> cafuego: done that
[01:35] <cafuego> IFRFLYR: font in firefox
[01:35] <mazzabr> can anybody send the original file /etc/X11/xkb/keycodes/xfree86 to me?
[01:35] <IFRFLYR> cafuego...here goes nothin:
[01:35] <root> hey everyone... two questions.
[01:35] <Slipaway172> ?
[01:35] <nems> I compiled my kernel and now I can't type at the command prompt when it boots up.
[01:35] <cafuego> IFRFLYR: I think my issue was that msttcorefonts were interfering with another copy of Times.
[01:35] <nems> I need to know how to get the default kernel image from the cd back installed....
[01:36] <pippijn> cafuego: that disconnected me
[01:36] <nalioth> Slipaway172: what weird comments are you speaking of ? you can try /me flops cafuego with a ford pickup
[01:36] <pippijn> root@xinutec:~# iptables -A OUTPUT -j ACCEPT
[01:36] <pippijn> root@xinutec:~# iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT
[01:36] <pippijn> that
[01:36] <nalioth> cafuego: the format_identify script aint workin
[01:36] <cafuego> pippijn: iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT; iptables -F OUTPUT
[01:36] <pippijn> done
[01:36] <cafuego> pippijn: Adding rules AFTER other rules in my cases won't do much.
[01:37] <cafuego> s/my/many/
[01:37] <blmartin777> need help with moc
[01:37] <blmartin777> mpc
[01:37] <pippijn> cafuego: I did iptables --flush
[01:37] <pippijn> then I did your rule
[01:37] <Slipaway172> OoOooh thanks
[01:37] <crimsun> blmartin777, what's wrong with mpc?
[01:37] <cafuego> nalioth: Must be an irssi version issue.
[01:37] <pippijn> cafuego: can you try again?
[01:37] <IFRFLYR> cafuego...yeah, see, that didn't work...:(
[01:38] <IFRFLYR> cafuego...yeah, see, that WORKED. Thanks!! :)
[01:38] <nems> I need to know how to get the default kernel image from the cd back installed.... I recompiled the kernel and now I cant type
[01:38] <cafuego> IFRFLYR: ANyway, bool in_array("needle", $haystack);
[01:38] <cafuego> pippijn: no joy
[01:38] <pippijn> :(
[01:38] <IFRFLYR> LOL cafuego, thanks
[01:38] <nalioth> cafuego: well, the SOB worked earlier
[01:38] <pippijn> it seems impossible
[01:38] <pippijn> cafuego: you know what I am doing?
[01:38] <gooktime> hmm, if I move from my onboard sound to an audigy 2 or something, can I just re-run the hardware detection/setup somehow?
[01:39] <pippijn> it's like this:
[01:39] <cafuego> nalioth: You BROKE it!
[01:39] <pippijn> I have a NAT and two computers on it
[01:39] <blmartin777> crimsun, it won't play
[01:39] <pippijn> <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:39] <crimsun> gooktime, you can just disable your onboard via the bios setting
[01:39] <gooktime> yeah, I mean in ubuntu
[01:39] <pippijn> the port 22 is forwarded from the NAT to .123
[01:39] <crimsun> gooktime, your audigy2 will be picked up automatically
[01:39] <pippijn> then, I set in .123 to forward 22 to .124
[01:39] <paulproteus> gooktime: Automatically.
[01:39] <gooktime> that's excellent :)(
[01:39] <paulproteus> Automagically, I meant.
[01:39] <blmartin777> it starts for a millisecond and then stops
[01:39] <crimsun> gooktime, though you'll need to unmute the 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack'
[01:39] <pippijn> cafuego: is that at all possible?
[01:40] <Mez> hehe: http://www.sourceguru.net/article/19/google-porn
[01:40] <cs378> if i install ubuntu in dual mode, i can uninstall it without any problems right?
[01:40] <cafuego> pippijn: Sure. But the question begs: why?
[01:40] <crimsun> blmartin777, I need more detail.
[01:40] <nalioth> cafuego: yes, it joins my dead iBook G4
[01:40] <dam_> ok so i have a creative ISA sound card, using IRQ 5, DMA 1,5. what now?
[01:40] <cafuego> nalioth: Can you swap that for a new one?
[01:40] <paulproteus> nalioth: Aww, how did it break?
[01:40] <hihi5> anyone ever download ringtones or java games to an LG phone using linux?  send me a msg
[01:40] <pippijn> cafuego: because I can't seem to be able to set up a NAT in linux properly so 22 is forwarded to <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:40] <cs378> help with my question plz
[01:40] <cafuego> pippijn: Does it work OK when you just redirect from therrouter to .124 directly?
[01:40] <paulproteus> cs378: Depends.  What's your question?
[01:40] <nalioth> cafuego: it is under APP, at most i'll get a 'new' refurb
[01:40] <poningru> cs378: whats the problem?
[01:41] <nalioth> paulproteus: heat kills
[01:41] <poningru> oh
[01:41] <cs378> if i install ubuntu in dual mode, i can uninstall it without any problems right?
[01:41] <paulproteus> nalioth: Do you know what it killed, though?
[01:41] <cafuego> nalioth: WHich revision was it?
[01:41] <poningru> cs378: yes you can uninstall it without problem
[01:41] <blmartin777> crimsun, I have a playlist the songs are there but when I run 'mpc play' it acts like it start but stops right away
[01:41] <Prozac> ok....before i do anything drastic, can someone please explain to me as to why linux is better than windows?
[01:41] <nems> I need to know how to get the default kernel image from the cd back installed.... I recompiled the kernel and now I cant type
[01:41] <cs378> ok thx u
[01:41] <nalioth> paulproteus: extended operation in a high heat environment
[01:41] <cs378> sry for being such a newbie
[01:41] <nalioth> cafuego: its a iBook G4 1.2ghz early 2004
[01:41] <poningru> cs378: np we were all noobs once
[01:41] <cs378> :)
[01:41] <cafuego> nalioth: Okay, I think mine's the version after that.
[01:41] <dam_> ok so i have a creative ISA sound card, using IRQ 5, DMA 1,5. what now?
[01:42] <paulproteus> nalioth: You insensitive clod, I have an early 2004 *1* Ghz ibook!
[01:42] <poningru> contrary to what others will tell you
[01:42] <poningru> hahahaha
[01:42] <cafuego> nalioth: I have a friend who had 14" early '04 model, which died too. She got a completely new one.
[01:42] <dam_> what do i modprobe?
[01:42] <paulproteus> dam_: sb
[01:42] <paulproteus> snd-sb
[01:42] <paulproteus> rather.
[01:42] <nalioth> cafuego: we'll see
[01:42] <paulproteus> Either snd-sb or snd-sb16
[01:42] <Prozac> ok....before i do anything drastic, can someone please explain to me as to why linux is better than windows?
[01:42] <cafuego> nalioth: .. hers had had other issue too, busted mobo, busted hd...
[01:42] <poningru> cs378: do you know how to setup the dual boot?
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> Prozac: because it's Free and free
[01:43] <dam_> dam@ubuntu:~$ sudo modprobe snd-sb
[01:43] <cs378> no
[01:43] <dam_> Password:
[01:43] <dam_> FATAL: Module snd_sb not found.
[01:43] <nalioth> cafuego: i replaced the HD in my G3 ibook, apple replaced the mobo in the G3 ibook
[01:43] <cs378> poningru: no
[01:43] <kemik> Prozac:  depends on your needs really, but for one, its free
[01:43] <nalioth> cafuego: the G3 soldiers on
[01:43] <paulproteus> snd-sb16 , maybe, dam_.
[01:43] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Who would I mail about mirroring that iso at vicnet?
[01:43] <poningru> !dualboot
[01:43] <ubotu> it has been said that dualboot is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38398 or ask me about <grub>
[01:43] <nems> Can anyone please help me figure out how to replace my kernel image with the one from the cd?  I recompiled the kernel and screwed it up :/
[01:43] <poningru> cs378: did you get that
[01:43] <kemik> Prozac:  for servers, most ppl find linux more stable than windows
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: I did message you about this :)
[01:43] <cafuego> nalioth: yeah, mine too... it's helping someone through school atm ;-)
[01:43] <Spud_> when i use wine to install something is it uninstalled when wine is exited?
[01:43] <crimsun> dam_, snd-sb16
[01:44] <kemik> Spud_:  no, it's still there
[01:44] <cs378> poningru: oh, i will check the forum out, im loadin the cd into my laptop now
[01:44] <poningru> cs378: ok thats not it
[01:44] <dam_> paulproteus, mmm, no errors how do i tell if it works?
[01:44] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: That would not be highly useful if you weren't identified with nickserv; the system would block ya ;-)
[01:44] <Spud_> hmm could you please tel me where i could find it?
[01:44] <cs378> poningru: whats not it
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> oh heh
[01:44] <kemik> Spud_:  once installed, in order to start it again "wine path\binary.exe"
[01:44] <hihi5> anyone ever download ringtones or java games to an LG phone using linux?  send me a msg
[01:44] <kemik> Spud_:  that depends on where you installed it
[01:44] <paulproteus> dam_: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[01:44] <Spud_> what is binary equal to?
[01:44] <paulproteus> Then crank up the volume, dam_ .
[01:44] <kemik> the executable file
[01:44] <Spud_> c:\
[01:45] <slashzero> I some how managed to remove my lo interface from start up but it loads if I run ifconfig lo up <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:45] <Spud_> sorry im a complete n00b to this
[01:45] <nems> I need to know how to get the default kernel image from the cd back installed.... I recompiled the kernel and now I cant type
[01:45] <kemik> what did you install, and where did you install it?
[01:45] <poningru> cs378: that link is not the correct help
[01:45] <Spud_> excursion...an irc prog and to c
[01:45] <Spud_> but i cant even find c
[01:45] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo?highlight=%28dual%29%7C%28boot%29
[01:45] <paulproteus> nems: Did you recompile the kernel using the make-kpkg program, or entirely by hand, nems?
[01:46] <kemik> C: is something only Wine knows about
[01:46] <kemik> so
[01:46] <poningru> !windowsdualboot
[01:46] <ubotu> poningru: I don't know, could you explain it?
[01:46] <paulproteus> nems: Also, can't you just switch which kernel you use from Grub?
[01:46] <poningru> !dualboot
[01:46] <ubotu> methinks dualboot is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38398 or ask me about <grub>
[01:46] <kemik> syntax should be something like; "wine c:\excursion.exe"
[01:46] <nems> paulproteus: I did it using make-kpkg
[01:46] <paulproteus> nems: Then do "dpkg -r name-of-your-kernel-package"
[01:46] <Spud_> ok thanks ill check it out
[01:46] <paulproteus> nems: You can SSH in, right?
[01:46] <dam_> paulproteus, nothing happens when i run 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp'
[01:46] <nems> kinda
[01:47] <nems> I'm not sure.. I booted up and I'm on the ubuntu disk now
[01:47] <paulproteus> dam_: What kind of nothing?
[01:47] <paulproteus> Like, you get the console back?
[01:47] <nems> chrooted into my setup
[01:47] <paulproteus> An error message?
[01:47] <paulproteus> nems: You should be able to switch kernels via grub on boot.
[01:47] <nems> hrm
[01:47] <dam_> dam@ubuntu:~$ cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[01:47] <poningru> cs378: did you get the one I gave?
[01:47] <nems> how>
[01:47] <paulproteus> There's a thing like "Press ESC to see menu.  3... 2... 1..." and then it boots
[01:47] <dam_> nothing
[01:47] <poningru> the second one
[01:47] <nems> ok.. let me reboot nad try it again
[01:47] <puff> Hm, do i need bittorrent to get the ubuntu installer?
[01:47] <paulproteus> dam_: And then it hangs?
[01:47] <paulproteus> puff: No.
[01:47] <nems> how do I permanently remove the kernel thats broken?
[01:47] <dam_> paulproteus, doesnt error, doesnt run, nothing.
[01:48] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[01:48] <cs378> poningru: ok lokin at it now
[01:48] <cs378> poningruthx
[01:48] <puff> The ubuntu installer page takes me to http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/
[01:48] <poningru> np
[01:48] <dam_> paulproteus, i suppose it could be running but im not getting anything pop up
[01:48] <paulproteus> puff: Great. Follow the mirror links.
[01:48] <dam_> paulproteus, do i need to play a song?
[01:48] <State> hello world
[01:48] <paulproteus> dam_: Crank up the volume.
[01:48] <poningru> anyone have any probs changing !dualboot to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[01:48] <paulproteus> dam_: Try a song instead, yeah.
[01:48] <poningru> anyone?
[01:49] <poningru> ubotu: !dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[01:49] <ubotu> poningru: okay
[01:49] <dam_> paulproteus, sweet
[01:49] <paulproteus> poningru: Go ahead.
[01:49] <poningru> !dualboot
[01:49] <ubotu> dualboot is probably http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38398 or ask me about <grub>
[01:49] <State> :P
[01:49] <nalioth> poningru: i think they locked the bot
[01:49] <puff> Hm, I thought I had, guess I must have clicked the wrong link.
[01:49] <funkyHat> hi State
[01:49] <poningru> oh
[01:49] <State> hi funkyHat
[01:50] <rob^> ubotu dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[01:50] <ubotu> ...but dualboot is already something else...
[01:50] <rob^> ubotu forget dualboot
[01:50] <ubotu> rob^: i forgot dualboot
[01:50] <rob^> ubotu dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[01:50] <Magnus-swe> i need some help testing my latest beta software (c/gtk+) for isc bind if anyone is interrested.
[01:50] <rob^> hmm, I did remember some talk about people adding inapproprate things to the bot a while back..
[01:51] <rob^> !dualboot
[01:51] <ubotu> rob^: Are you smoking crack?
[01:51] <dam_> paulproteus, volume control works, i can turn the HISS up and down. musicplayer gives errors. such as cannot pause, and cannot write to device properly
[01:51] <rob^> ubotu dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[01:51] <ubotu> rob^: okay
[01:51] <mebaran151> could you direct me to a good resource to set up ssh an d scp
[01:51] <rob^> !dualboot
[01:51] <paulproteus> mebaran151: apt-get install openssh-server
[01:51] <paulproteus> Then it just works.
[01:51] <funkyHat> rob^, ubotu is too busy smoking crack
[01:51] <paulproteus> No "setting up" required.
[01:51] <rob^> !dualboot
[01:51] <ubotu> from memory, dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[01:51] <dam_> paulproteus, could not open resouce for writing
[01:51] <paulproteus> !crack
[01:51] <ubotu> paulproteus: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[01:51] <rob^> there we go
[01:52] <nalioth> looks like "stupid bot tricks" in here today
[01:52] <funkyHat> ubotu, put the pipe down and listen!
[01:52] <ubotu> funkyHat: Bugger all, i dunno
[01:52] <paulproteus> !dance
[01:52] <ubotu> paulproteus: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[01:52] <cafuego> !botabuse
[01:52] <ubotu> cafuego: Are you smoking crack?
[01:52] <paulproteus> dam_: Do this on a console:
[01:52] <paulproteus> esd &
[01:52] <cafuego> How dare you!
[01:52] <funkyHat> !distrowar
[01:52] <ubotu> funkyHat: No idea
[01:52] <funkyHat> ow :(
[01:52] <Slipaway172> did yall hear about the fusion reactor that has enough power to power the whole world and enough enegry to SPLIT the world in two if something goes wrong?
[01:53] <cafuego> !botabuse
[01:53] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.
[01:53] <dam_> paulproteus, i heard something
[01:53] <poningru> whos incharge of ubotu?
[01:53] <paulproteus> dam_: Good.  Now play a song.
[01:53] <delire> time to fly
[01:53] <funkyHat> !distrowar
[01:53] <ubotu> from memory, distrowar is gentoo is faster than ubuntu!
[01:53] <cafuego> Slipaway172: What, the sun?
[01:53] <poningru> !dualboot
[01:53] <ubotu> well, dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[01:53] <poningru> wtf
[01:54] <kemik> dont think the sun would split earth
[01:54] <cs378> poningru: ?, wa wtf
[01:54] <dam_> paulproteus, champion, youve now freed up a PCI slot for something else.
[01:54] <kemik> more like, vaporize
[01:54] <cafuego> kemik: if you shaped it, sure it could ;-)
[01:54] <cs378> poningru:its givin the right link to the wiki
[01:54] <paulproteus> dam_: Hooray, I think....
[01:54] <kemik> heh. well, good luck shaping it ;)
[01:54] <dam_> paulproteus, can you reccommend a place where i can put all this INFO on awebsite?
[01:54] <dam_> paulproteus, so i dont have to bother you guys again
[01:54] <Slipaway172> no
[01:54] <Slipaway172> it is a reactor
[01:54] <funkyHat> dam_, the ubuntu wiki :)
[01:54] <Slipaway172> its dam scary
[01:55] <kemik> Slipaway172:  no, its not even close to a reactor yet
[01:55] <paulproteus> dam_: You could have skipped the "esd & " bit and just logged out and logged in.
[01:55] <Slipaway172> i know but i will still be liveing by then
[01:55] <dam_> paulproteus, ok cool, i should be right then...
[01:55] <kemik> all they done is decide to build a test reactor in france
[01:55] <paulproteus> dam_: I'm surprised that the Ubuntu hotplug program didn't detect your SoundBlaster card automatically.
[01:55] <poningru> yeah rob^ fixed it
[01:55] <boo_boo> need help with gnomeboy, no sound
[01:55] <dam_> funkyHat, can i create my own section?
[01:55] <cafuego> is this one of those nanosecond fusion experimental setups that eats more power that it currently produces?
[01:55] <poningru> dam_: what info?
[01:55] <funkyHat> dam_, i think that's the point of a wiki...
[01:55] <poningru> cause you can put it on the wiki
[01:55] <kemik> Slipaway172:  and who told you it'd split earth ?!
[01:56] <dam_> paulproteus, the commands you gave me, modprobe , cat , etc...
[01:56] <poningru> wiki.ubuntu.org
[01:56] <Slipaway172> then how about the reactor from the soviet union, in about 20 years it will crack the cement and go to the earth core and will cause a undefiniate amount of damage
[01:56] <funkyHat> yeah i'm pretty sure you can add your own articles
[01:56] <cafuego> Headline: Hydrogen fusion causes Silicon fission!
[01:56] <poningru> anyone need help?
[01:56] <dam_> ok. im about to try installing a ISA nic.
[01:57] <paulproteus> dam_: To make that happen again, you will need to append "snd-sb16" (without the quotes) to the end of /etc/modules
[01:57] <rob^> poningru, I'm sure they will ask
[01:57] <cafuego> Slipaway172: A ton of plutonuim will cause 0 damage to the earh's core, which contains several gigatonnes (no, more) of uranium.
[01:57] <kemik> Slipaway172:  yay! stop trolling please
[01:57] <shawn___> ok.. I got booted in my old kernel... how do I permanently remove the new kernel?
[01:57] <paulproteus> dam_: Oh, god help us.  It's "Return of the ISA Monsters"!
[01:57] <cafuego> Slipaway172: Time to take physics at school.
[01:57] <paulproteus> shawn___: dpkg -r the package
[01:57] <shawn___> I tried that...
[01:57] <dam_> who wants to help me?
[01:57] <Slipaway172> that will be next year
[01:57] <shawn___> it tells me its not installed.
[01:57] <paulproteus> shawn___: And what happened?
[01:57] <funkyHat> dam_, you have ISA ports? :|
[01:57] <cafuego> And put that stupid 'the core" movie away.
[01:57] <funkyHat> *slots
[01:57] <Slipaway172> anyways cnn was explain what could happen
[01:57] <shawn___> it tells me its not installed.
[01:57] <dam_> yeah im running a 533, with 380meg ram, 4gig HD.
[01:58] <cafuego> Slipaway172: Nothing will happen.
[01:58] <sorush20> guys how do I get my scanner to work with my Ubuntu...
[01:58] <dam_> just trying to build old PC's to look good.
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> Slipaway172: go away quick, you need a tinfoil hat
[01:58] <paulproteus> shawn___: dpkg -l
[01:58] <paulproteus> That will list the packages.
[01:58] <shawn___> I did.
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> in other news, has anyone else had trouble with mplayer in hoary and ac3 audio (lib152)
[01:58] <funkyHat> Slipaway172, unless you can think of a direct link between ubuntu and nuclear fustion reactors, please tell someone else. :)
[01:58] <paulproteus> Look through the list for anything beginning with kernel- or linux-
[01:58] <rob^> man, there have been a lot of security updates in the last few days :)
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> mplayer dies with MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio
[01:58] <paulproteus> rob^: Does that mean you're downloading them now?
[01:58] <Slipaway172> lol
[01:59] <cafuego> Slipaway172: They're just reporting crap to divert attention from *actual* issues. most news channels do... LOOK AT THE SHINY TERRORIST!!!
[01:59] <shawn___> ahh
[01:59] <poningru> hehe
[01:59] <shawn___> it cut off the name I think
[01:59] <HrdwrBoB> (on two seperate machines, with all sorts of files
[01:59] <rob^> paulproteus, no, just one for vim at the moment
[01:59] <cs378> i am installin ubuntu now, says i have network problem with DHCP protocol. the ethernet hardware has been detected
[01:59] <paulproteus> rob^: Aww, shucks.
[01:59] <rob^> haha
[01:59] <poningru> cs378: how do you connect to internet?
[01:59] <puff> Hm, anybody know where to find a Linux System Rescue CD download, other than sysresccd.org, which isn't responding right now?
[01:59] <shawn___> I get "This is an essential package and should not be removed"
[01:59] <robertj> does about me play nice with pam and co?
[02:00] <sorush20> Guys my scanner is present in device manager but I can't get it to work...
[02:00] <rob^> puff, knoppix
[02:00] <tahorg> puff: ubuntu live !
[02:00] <puff> rob^: mainly I need qtpartd.
[02:00] <cafuego> puff: Your install CD.
[02:00] <cs378> poningru: laptop is conected to the router, i router connected to the cable modem
[02:00] <occy> Do I need to download a special Hoary disk for AMD Athlon 64?
[02:00] <rob^> yes, gtparted is in knoppix
[02:00] <vitriol> ubuntu uses xorg right? and the current stable release is hoary?
[02:00] <benplaut> don't listen to cafuego :P
[02:00] <puff> so the ubuntun install CD can handle the reparittioning?
[02:00] <mebaran151> cd av
[02:00] <cafuego> occy: yes, the x86_64 (amd64) one
[02:00] <rob^> Virtuall, yeah
[02:00] <mebaran151> sorry whoops wrong place
[02:00] <occy> cafuego, okies danke
[02:00] <poningru> cs378: it shouldnt cause any probs
[02:00] <rob^> doh
[02:00] <nalioth> puff: yes it can
[02:00] <shawn___> paulproteus: how do I get around that?
[02:01] <funkyHat> does anyone else miss the way you can middle click in a browser window and move the mouse to make it scroll? or is there a way to make that work?
[02:01] <puff> nalioth: Danke.
[02:01] <rob^> vitriol, yes
[02:01] <puff> Okay, not to worry about that then.
[02:01] <vitriol> rob^: ok thanks
[02:01] <mebaran151> paulproteus, no keygen or nothing for sshd?
[02:01] <poningru> cs378: what was the error?
[02:01] <cs378> poningru: ... but getting Network autoconfiguration failed, should i just continue
[02:01] <cafuego> occy: Though the i386 one will work fine too (especially for multimedia like DVDs, DivX, flash and Java)
[02:01] <nalioth> mebaran151: keygen?
[02:01] <poningru> cs378: hmm you sure everything is connected correctly?
[02:01] <poningru> wireless wont work
[02:01] <cs378> poningru: i was on the internet with windows xp loaded b4
[02:01] <paulproteus> mebaran151: What OS did you run before Ubuntu?
[02:02] <puff> Is there a page somewhere that explains why ubuntu exists?
[02:02] <cafuego> puff: The Ubuntu install CD does partitioning, setting up of LVM and/or RAID0-5.
[02:02] <rob^> poningru, thats not 100% true, it depends on your hardware
[02:02] <paulproteus> puff: www.ubuntulinux.org ?
[02:02] <mebaran151> paulproteus, Windows ....
[02:02] <nalioth> puff: https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:02] <cafuego> puff: It might not have a clicky-pointy app for it, but it works fine.
[02:02] <poningru> rob^: are you telling me wireless might work during install?
[02:02] <poningru> woah
[02:02] <poningru> ubuntu is far ahead than I thought
[02:02] <puff> They seem pretty debian-esque, I'm wondering what their motivation is for doing a distinct project.
[02:02] <rob^> poningru, I doubt the install procedure has the modules for it, but you can add them, it is the debian installer
[02:03] <paulproteus> puff: There's a manifesto.
[02:03] <cafuego> puff: Newer desktop software; dbian doesn't have that focus.
[02:03] <paulproteus> puff: Crawl around ubuntu.com.  There are good reasons, like polish and desktop use.
[02:03] <dam_> poningru, how do i create my own page?
[02:03] <shawn___> paulproteus: how do I get around that it telling me "Thats an essential package and shouldnt be removed"?
[02:03] <mebaran151> paulproteus, how do I get it to forward X11
[02:03] <mebaran151> or should I let it do that
[02:03] <paulproteus> mebaran151: Are you in X11 currently?
[02:03] <robertj> btw, anyone know of a nifty way to pipe the current chat buffer in xchat into the command line and then back into the window (not posted to the channel)
[02:03] <mebaran151> paulproteus, yeah
[02:04] <paulproteus> mebaran151: And you want to ssh to a remote computer, and let programs you run on that remote computer appear on your local monitor?
[02:04] <robertj> I'm always wanting to grep for someones name to view their last x lines and so forth
[02:04] <paulproteus> Then ssh -X user@remotehost
[02:04] <paulproteus> robertj: That's be neat for me in gaim, too.
[02:04] <paulproteus> I should suggest it to the developers.
[02:04] <crimsun> you guys should be using irssi, then
[02:04] <poningru> dam_: what page do you want?
[02:04] <poningru> to create?
[02:04] <robertj> crimsun: I like my GUI!
[02:04] <poningru> what title did you want it?
[02:04] <mebaran151> paulproteus, will it work with Windows
[02:04] <paulproteus> mebaran151: ...?
[02:04] <mebaran151> if you use an ssh client
[02:04] <mebaran151> can you forward X
[02:04] <crimsun> robertj, then load irssi's proxy and connect to it using x-chat
[02:05] <mebaran151> or will they have to run their own X server
[02:05] <paulproteus> mebaran151: Do you have X clients on the Windows machine?
[02:05] <robertj> crimsun: hrmm, interesting
[02:05] <poningru> cs378: you may wanna restart the installer because it helps at the end
[02:05] <moparfan90> when i have a install.sh file and open it. it says open it terminal. then opens and closes right away. howdo i install it??
[02:05] <cafuego> mebaran151: You ssh FROm the box with X, and run apps anywhere that allows X11Forwarding
[02:05] <poningru> but internet is not necessary
[02:05] <mebaran151> yeah
[02:05] <poningru> for installation
[02:05] <dam_> poningru, i want to be able to save what ive learnt with ubuntu on webpage that i can access anytime.
[02:05] <moparfan90> yeah
[02:05] <paulproteus> mebaran151: Well, if you have an SSH server running on Windows, and X clients on that machine...
[02:05] <paulproteus> Then ssh -X user@remotehost
[02:05] <moparfan90> when i have a install.sh file and open it. it says open it terminal. then opens and closes right away. howdo i install it????????????????????????????????
[02:05] <rob^> dam_, are you sure its not already covered?
[02:05] <poningru> dam_: what title did you want for the page is the question
[02:06] <cafuego> ssh -X -C user@host  (compression helps)
[02:06] <poningru> sorry I should have been more clear
[02:06] <rob^> dam_, have a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation and also do a search
[02:06] <cs378> poningru
[02:06] <mebaran151> paulproteus, other way around
[02:06] <mebaran151> linux ssh server
[02:06] <paulproteus> mebaran151: Then the Windows machine must be running an X server.
[02:06] <cs378> poningru: ill restart the installer then
[02:06] <paulproteus> You can get one from Cygwin.
[02:06] <shawn___> how do I get around that it telling me "Thats an essential package and shouldnt be removed" when I try and uninstall a bad kernel....
[02:06] <mebaran151> ah I see
[02:06] <funkyHat> dam_, if you want free webspace, www.memebot.org is pretty good. and will automatically configure a blog or a wiki for you if you want, otherwise you can use ftp to upload pages
[02:06] <paulproteus> shawn___: What package name?
[02:06] <paulproteus> funkyHat: He wants to add to the wiki.
[02:07] <paulproteus> dam_: It may also be easier to just make a post in the HOWTO section of the Ubuntu forum.
[02:07] <poningru> cs378: ok how did you repartition your hard drive?
[02:07] <shawn___> paulproteus: kernel-image-2.6.11custom
[02:07] <funkyHat> paulproteus, yes :)
[02:07] <shawn___> nevfermind
[02:07] <shawn___> it was 2.6.10
[02:07] <boo_boo> poningru:  could you help with no sound issue in gnomeboy
[02:07] <rob^> dam_, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnEditing
[02:07] <poningru> dam_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/put_page_title_here
[02:07] <Burgundavia> paulproteus, dam_ the best place would be the wiki
[02:07] <cs378> poningru: not up to that yet, still need to configure the network
[02:07] <paulproteus> Burgundavia: Okay.
[02:07] <poningru> cs378: you have to repartition the hd before hand
[02:07] <moparfan90> if i d/l a file do i d/l the .bz2 or .gz  ?????
[02:08] <poningru> you can use system rescue cd
[02:08] <poningru> !dualboot
[02:08] <ubotu> from memory, dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[02:08] <paulproteus> moparfan90: Either one.
[02:08] <spermie_411> I'm getting alot of this when i try to apt-get something, Failed to fetch http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-backports/main       /binary-i386/mozilla-firefox_1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5_all.deb  404 Not Found
[02:08] <shawn___> No I get "Errors encountered while processing grep"
[02:08] <paulproteus> moparfan90: They have the same contents.  The bz2 is smaller.
[02:08] <moparfan90> o
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> spermie_411: run apt-get update
[02:08] <moparfan90> oo
[02:08] <paulproteus> spermie_411: Are you using Synaptic or apt-get or what?
[02:08] <cs378> poningru: ohhh, then ill dl that systemresouce iso then
[02:08] <Razor-X> boo_boo: GnomeBoy is just a VBA frontent
[02:08] <paulproteus> In Synaptic, hit reload.
[02:08] <spermie_411> paulproteus Apt-get
[02:08] <poningru> cs378: you can use the installer
[02:08] <poningru> but its not so user friendly
[02:09] <poningru> I mean you can do it
[02:09] <moparfan90> paulproteus, how do i un the .sh file..... when i try to open it it says open it termeinal then closes?????
[02:09] <rob^> poningru, cs378 see the alternative way also at the bottom of that page
[02:09] <mebaran151> is there any easy way to stream over ssh
[02:09] <paulproteus> mebaran151: Stream what?
[02:09] <mebaran151> or any easy streaming technology like such
[02:09] <spermie_411> HrdwrBoB i ran apt-update in get an error also
[02:09] <Razor-X> mebaran151: you can forward any traffic over SSH
[02:09] <mebaran151> paulproteus, files
[02:09] <cs378> poningru: ohk, then ill skip the network thing,
[02:09] <boo_boo> razor-x:  ok, but when i open a rom it runs fine, although no sound
[02:09] <paulproteus> mebaran151: debian-administration.org did a special on gnump3d if you want music streaming
[02:09] <Razor-X> as long as there's a constant out stream, you can forward it through SSH
[02:10] <Razor-X> boo_boo: do you have any other sound applications running?
[02:10] <mebaran151> Razor-X, yeah I know
[02:10] <poningru> cs378: did it give you trouble again?
[02:10] <boo_boo> razor-x: no
[02:10] <poningru> with the network?
[02:10] <mebaran151> but can you easily pipe what ssh is scp to another app
[02:10] <Razor-X> boo_boo: try looking at your VBA config files
[02:10] <moparfan90> paulproteus, how do i install  the .sh file..... when i try to open it it says open it termeinal then closes?????
[02:10] <_simple> i have a pretty newb question..
[02:10] <mebaran151> like a DivX player, or must you copy the whole thing?
[02:10] <cs378> poningru: haha, i just put in any name for the hostname n worked ...hmmmm
[02:10] <paulproteus> moparfan90: Open a terminal.
[02:11] <paulproteus> Then find the thing you wanted.
[02:11] <Razor-X> mebaran151: you mean, you want to tunnel a SCP session?
[02:11] <paulproteus> Then run it with ./filename
[02:11] <moparfan90> ok
[02:11] <_simple> i installed firefox 1.0.6 into ~/simple/.mozilla, how can i make firefox be a command that runs firefox?
[02:11] <poningru> cs378: heh yeah you need a host name for your router
[02:11] <paulproteus> _simple: Do you really mean /home/simple/simple/.mozilla ?
[02:11] <rtcm> using breezy in which package should 'xset' be? (yes, I know X is kind of broken)
[02:11] <_simple> like firefox %u used to work
[02:11] <paulproteus> That's bizarre.
[02:11] <_simple> no
[02:11] <_simple> ~/.mozilla
[02:11] <_simple> ~/.mozilla/firefox
[02:11] <Razor-X> _simple: open up your .bashrc
[02:11] <shawn___> paulproteus: any ideas?
[02:11] <paulproteus> xutils or similar, rtcm
[02:11] <Razor-X> and then, add in an alias
[02:11] <cs378> poningru: brb, gotta go out, thx very much for ur help
[02:11] <paulproteus> shawn___: Read the manual page for dpkg
[02:12] <paulproteus> There's various force options, if I recall correctly.
[02:12] <poningru> cs378: yeah np
[02:12] <paulproteus> Find the one that is relevant for what you want.
[02:12] <shawn___> ok.. and look for what?
[02:12] <mebaran151> Razor-X, I think so
[02:12] <paulproteus> There's various force options, if I recall correctly.
[02:12] <mebaran151> I just decided on a whim today to use scp for this
[02:12] <shawn___> I've read it before and I dont see how grep is interfering with uninstalling mykernel
[02:12] <Razor-X> mebaran151: then... why not?
[02:12] <mebaran151> uh
[02:12] <Razor-X> it'll work
[02:12] <mebaran151> the receiver is on windows
[02:12] <paulproteus> shawn___: Huh?
[02:12] <puff> Hm, is there something tricky t using bittorrent? I installed the bittorrent client and tried to download the ubuntu live torrent, it says "0% done 18 days remaining"
[02:12] <Razor-X> mebaran151: and?
[02:12] <_simple> so
[02:12] <paulproteus> What does grep have to do with this?
[02:12] <paulproteus> puff: Wait a moment.
[02:12] <mebaran151> I need to make it relatively easy for him
[02:12] <shawn___> Now I get "Errors encountered while processing: grep"
[02:12] <poningru> puff: do you have a router?
[02:12] <moparfan90> i cant get it to work
[02:12] <Razor-X> so, you're hosting a server and forwarding through SSH?
[02:12] <Amphibious_Tank> Hello everyone, I have a question:  What is the best utility in Ubuntu for resizing linux partitions?
[02:12] <shawn___> paulproteus: when I try and remove m kernel
[02:12] <mebaran151> basically yes
[02:13] <_simple> alias /home/simple/.mozilla/firefox/firefox?
[02:13] <paulproteus> shawn___: join #flood
[02:13] <poningru> Amphibious_Tank: qtparted imho
[02:13] <Razor-X> ok hmmm....
[02:13] <mebaran151> I'd like to make it seem as transparent as a mount
[02:13] <moparfan90> paulproteus, the file name is install-sh what do i type ??
[02:13] <Razor-X> can't he use pscp?
[02:13] <puff> poningru: Yes, I have a router, good point, the firewall may be blocking it.
[02:13] <Razor-X> (Putty's scp client)
[02:13] <black13> while using debootstrap i keep getting errors about setting the locale what does this mean?
[02:13] <Amphibious_Tank> poingru: does that come on a normal install of Ubuntu?
[02:13] <Razor-X> black13: that means your locale is not set
[02:13] <puff> Nothing explicitly should be blocking it, but the sysadmin who set that firewall up  has a tendency to do things like uninstalling finger, Just In Case.
[02:14] <Razor-X> if you don't know what locale is... should you really be messing with deboostrap?
[02:14] <poningru> Amphibious_Tank: not sure let me check
[02:14] <Amphibious_Tank> I don't think it does.
[02:14] <moparfan90> paulproteus, the file name is install-sh what do i type ??
[02:14] <black13> Razaor-X we only by trying
[02:14] <black13> Razaor-X we only learn by trying
[02:14] <black13> or typing heh
[02:14] <paulproteus> moparfan90: ./install-sh
[02:14] <puff> Then again, if I understand this correctly, bittorrent expects you to listen for incoming requests and serve them, and I could easily see the firewall blocking that.
[02:14] <Razor-X> black13: you don't jump into a pool if you don't know how to walk ;)
[02:14] <poningru> Amphibious_Tank: yes it does
[02:15] <Razor-X> you don't try and learn Beethoven if you can't talk
[02:15] <poningru> look through your synaptic package manager
[02:15] <poningru> or apt-get install qtparted
[02:15] <Razor-X> I suggest getting familiar with the console, and booting
[02:15] <black13> Razor-X can i ask you a question
[02:15] <Razor-X> (about a week's reading material)
[02:15] <moparfan90> i got a bash
[02:15] <Razor-X> and then come back to your project
[02:15] <paulproteus> Razor-X: Actually, babies can swim really well.
[02:15] <lcharly_TheOne> the new version of ubuntu is breezy??
[02:15] <paulproteus> Razor-X: Even if they can't walk.  I'm talking six weeks here.
[02:15] <Razor-X> paulproteus: in a 5 foot pool?
[02:15] <paulproteus> lcharly_TheOne: It's not out yet.
[02:15] <poningru> lcharly_TheOne: yes thats the next version
[02:15] <paulproteus> Razor-X: Yeah.    Or google baby+swim or something.
[02:16] <Razor-X> my sister and your kid is totally different ;)
[02:16] <lcharly_TheOne> a can download it
[02:16] <paulproteus> Razor-X: I'm in college.  No kids yet.
[02:16] <Amphibious_Tank> ok thanks poningru.
[02:16] <Mobius> Hey, its not every day you enter the ubuntu channel and people are talking about floating babies..
[02:16] <lcharly_TheOne> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/
[02:16] <poningru> Amphibious_Tank: np
[02:16] <black13> Razor-X whats with the attitude?
[02:16] <Razor-X> oh, well, they may float, but i'm pretty sure babies move around in the water
[02:16] <paulproteus> lcharly_TheOne: Just 'cause it's there doesn't mean it won't blow up in your face. :)
[02:16] <Razor-X> black13: it's not attitude, a week of reading won't hurt
[02:16] <Razor-X> if something goes wrong, then, it'll be hard, trust me
[02:17] <drummer> Could someone help me with a printer problem?  (HP Laserjet 4050)
[02:17] <Razor-X> it's nice to get familiar with the bootup process and the command line (just a week's worth)
[02:17] <poningru> black13: right now you do need some reading done
[02:17] <lcharly_TheOne> i have a problem with my laptop don't work in ubunut
[02:17] <poningru> but its not a week
[02:17] <pax> !backports
[02:17] <ubotu> I heard backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[02:17] <Mobius> Anyone have any suggestions for a usb key flash drive that they use with ubuntu with no problems?
[02:17] <Razor-X> I guess i'm the only one nowadays who wants to learn ;)
[02:17] <poningru> if you are a complete newbie you can probably get the reading done in couple of days
[02:17] <lcharly_TheOne> is a compaq presario v2312US with amd turion 64
[02:17] <Razor-X> ``Frontent shmontend, fix my problem ;)''
[02:17] <paulproteus> drummer: Well, tell us the problem.
[02:17] <pax> ubotu forget backports
[02:17] <ubotu> i forgot backports, pax
[02:17] <lcharly_TheOne> but ubuntu amd 64 don't recognize it
[02:18] <vinboy> hi
[02:18] <drummer> paulproteus: When I send a print job to the printer - It says it;s processing then nothing comes out.
[02:18] <vinboy> when I try to run a program .. it says error while loading shared libraries: libaIO.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:18] <Razor-X> black13: advice also
[02:18] <paulproteus> vinboy: What program?
[02:18] <Razor-X> if you haven't already, create a sub-root directory
[02:18] <vinboy> the libaIO.so is in that directoy ttho
[02:18] <Razor-X> like /testsystem
[02:18] <Razor-X> and chmod it 777
[02:18] <vinboy> paulproteus, a program that my robot through serial port
[02:18] <Razor-X> so that the bootstrapper will have nice room to work its magic
[02:19] <lcharly_TheOne> and i prove with a lot of distribution but no one works
[02:19] <poningru> cya paulproteus
[02:19] <pax> ubotu Backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[02:19] <ubotu> pax: okay
[02:19] <rob^> hey pax, is it ready to use with hoary or not?
[02:20] <drummer> damn - got caught by a bot again.  Question still stands though.  Ubuntu says it's printing b ut nothing comes out.
[02:20] <pax> rob^ says Hoary doesnt it?
[02:20] <rob^> pax
[02:20] <rob^> ok
[02:21] <Razor-X> black13: you also said you've tried LFS?
[02:21] <Razor-X> have you tried BLFS?
[02:21] <frank> Does the new firefox work well now? did they fix it?
[02:21] <rob^> pax, does packages.u.c reflect the new backports?
[02:21] <pax> rob^ I don't know.
[02:21] <funkyHat> frank, it might ;)
[02:21] <catolh> !dma
[02:22] <frank> funkyHat: they put the real 1.0.6 in hoary-security
[02:22] <black13> Razor-X lfs is a no go i worked on it for months
[02:22] <Razor-X> black13: what about BLFS?
[02:22] <poningru> !dma
[02:22] <Razor-X> LFS is pretty limited in scope, BLFS is much better for your needs IMO
[02:22] <frank> So what happened to the "we don't change version numbers in hoary" policy?
[02:23] <funkyHat> frank, yeah, i got it earlier, it works for me, but some people have still been complaining that it's broken
[02:23] <Razor-X> frank: a few too many bleating people
[02:23] <mebaran151> pax, do they backport for the 64 bits?
[02:23] <black13> Razor-X when i use ubuntu debootstrap to build a debootstrap it works fine
[02:23] <Razor-X> black13: but, BLFS is much more streamlined than debootstrap
[02:23] <frank> funkyHat: Anyways I installed the official version from mozilla as a user and it works fine
[02:23] <Razor-X> simply because the latter is not compiled, while BLFS is
[02:24] <Razor-X> BLFS will give you a blazing fast system
[02:24] <pax> mebaran151: no clue.
[02:24] <black13> Razor-X i have a way trimming down ubuntu down to 32 meg
[02:24] <cafuego> BLFS will also take you 10 times longer to install.
[02:24] <black13> Razor-X and it has the stability of debian/ubuntu
[02:24] <Razor-X> black13: BLFS can get it down smaller and faster
[02:25] <frank> what does the B stand for, binary?
[02:25] <mebaran151> I wonder if you could build apt in BLFS and suddenly have a Debian system that haws a properly compiled toolchain
[02:25] <mebaran151> frank, Beyond
[02:25] <Razor-X> compilation will _always_ be smaller than packaging
[02:25] <mebaran151> it is not binary at all I dont htink
[02:25] <Razor-X> frank: Beyond
[02:25] <frank> ok
[02:25] <boo_boo> Razor-X: checked the config file, everything seems to be in order
[02:25] <Razor-X> mebaran151: i'll bet you can
[02:25] <Razor-X> boo_boo: hmmmm... oddd
[02:25] <Razor-X> s/oddd/odd/
[02:25] <Razor-X> try killall esd
[02:25] <Razor-X> and then restart it
[02:26] <Razor-X> mebaran151: actually, that's not a bad idea
[02:26] <black13> Razor-X look i appreciate you help but this is an apples and oragnes question ... i want to solve the local question
[02:26] <Razor-X> black13: i'm just saying, that for your purposes, BLFS may take longer, but is worth the small filesize and speedy install
[02:26] <Razor-X> and i'm also saying this to test your guts ;)
[02:26] <Razor-X> because BLFS is not a child's play thing, heh
[02:27] <black13> Razor-x no shit i work on lfs for months with nothing
[02:27] <black13> i dont have that kind of time
[02:27] <moparfan90> how do i run a python script?
[02:27] <Razor-X> black13: ok then, so you want a ``Semi-optimized small Linux''
[02:27] <Razor-X> what's the platform it's being deployed on?
[02:27] <cafuego> Razor-X: Compilation won't be smaller then packaging when you need all headers files installed in order to build a trivial util.
[02:27] <black13> Razor-x size more than speed
[02:28] <Razor-X> cafuego: but if you remove the source after that
[02:28] <black13> and i build the kernel with the real time patches
[02:28] <dam_> ubuntu wiki isnt working for me. i just want to paste stuff that i cant refer too at a later date.
[02:28] <moparfan90> how do i run a python script?
[02:28] <funkyHat> moparfan90, make sure it's executable, and then run it like an excecuable
[02:28] <cafuego> Razor-X: *headers* libc6-dev, kernel header, zlib-dev, mysql-dev etc.
[02:28] <cafuego> Razor-X: They need to be reinstalled each time you update
[02:28] <funkyHat> chmod +x filename | pathto/filename
[02:29] <Razor-X> cafuego: ahhh, yeah, that's true *scrunches forehead*
[02:29] <joevandyk> My dvd drive isn't mounted, but it's not ejecting the disk.  Any ideas why?
[02:29] <moparfan90> how do i make it exacuable?
[02:29] <black13> Razor-x the local is set via the LC_* environment variables correct?
[02:29] <Razor-X> because on a compiled system everything depends on the headers
[02:29] <Razor-X> black13: and also LANG
[02:29] <Razor-X> gives me an idea...
[02:29] <black13> LANG=en_US
[02:29] <SeekForth> I just installed Ubuntu using the server option, and when it first tries to boot I get EXT3-fs error and then it remounts the filesystem as read-onnly, can anyone help me out here?
[02:29] <Razor-X> black13: try en_US.UTF-8
[02:30] <cafuego> Razor-X: if yopu don't care much for security fixes and don't want to recompile stuff every two days, a source distro is probably fine.
[02:30] <moparfan90> funkyHat, how do i make a python script exacuable??????
[02:30] <Razor-X> I may try BLFS on my old 100 mhz Pentium...
[02:30] <Razor-X> it has 5 GB, and 48 MB of RAM
[02:30] <Razor-X> it'll probably take 20 days, or so
[02:30] <funkyHat> moparfan90, chmod +x filename | pathto/filename
[02:30] <Razor-X> but, worth it, if I want speed
[02:31] <funkyHat> moparfan90, (that will excecute it too)
[02:31] <joevandyk> One of the sucky things about the current Ubuntu release is that there's about six different printer dialog boxes.  :(
[02:31] <cafuego> Razor-X: The extra run-time speed you gain will never offset the time you spent waiting fo the compile to finish.
[02:31] <black13> Razor-x what the heck ill try it
[02:31] <Razor-X> cafuego: how much time you think it'll take?
[02:31] <funkyHat> moparfan90, or you can use the properties dialog if you prefer using a graphical interface, and assign execute rights to the owner
[02:32] <cafuego> if you want a P100 to be fast, put it in a linear accelerator ;-)
[02:32] <moparfan90> funkyHat, so if the file was named python.py and it was in my home folder. what woulf i type?
[02:32] <black13> Razor-x i am going to try debootstrap one more time
[02:32] <Razor-X> cafuego: or should I try a Gentoo install with -O5 ?
[02:32] <cafuego> Razor-X: Kernels used to take me a few hours on the P90.
[02:32] <Razor-X> black13: go ahead ;)
[02:32] <funkyHat> moparfan90, chmod +x python.py
[02:32] <Razor-X> cafuego: I'm thinking 20 days then?
[02:32] <moparfan90> funkyHat, how do i do that?
[02:32] <mebaran151> Razor-X, BLFS is good learning tool
[02:32] <robertj> Razor: want to now what would be an infinitely better use of your time? Go find a place that serves burgers, work there, and buy a new machine
[02:32] <cafuego> Razor-X: I can but guess at the joys of building libc6 on one.
[02:32] <mebaran151> I woulnt use it for my day to day distro
[02:32] <cafuego> or gcc
[02:32] <Razor-X> robertj: what's the point of retiring old things?
[02:32] <david> hello
[02:32] <funkyHat> moparfan90, right click on it, click properties, then go to the permissions tab, and look at the bunch of tick boxes
[02:32] <cafuego> You need to buuild gcc three times, too.
[02:32] <robertj> Razor-X: to never look at them again?
[02:32] <Razor-X> oh yeah, and tab complete highlights my name ;)
[02:33] <moparfan90> ok
[02:33] <cafuego> and against two libc6-es
[02:33] <Razor-X> robertj: nopes, even if I get a new machine, why not?
[02:33] <robertj> Razor-X: because they take power to run and time to manage?
[02:33] <Razor-X> cafuego: ;)
[02:33] <cafuego> Razor-X: 20 days might be a tad optimistic ;-)
[02:33] <Razor-X> robertj: so?
[02:33] <black13> Razor-x problme is still there
[02:33] <Razor-X> cafuego: 2 months?
[02:33] <cafuego> Gentoo kills trees!
[02:33] <Razor-X> the only problem is if my sister turns the power off
[02:33] <david> can any one help me with getting a integrated webcam to work
[02:33] <nalioth> Razor-X: cafuego is correct, you'll need to build gcc 3 times
[02:33] <poningru> cafuego: hahaha
[02:34] <moparfan90> ok thanks funkyhat,
[02:34] <moparfan90> bye
[02:34] <robertj> if I were looking a at a p100, i'd start with potato and start dist-upgrading
[02:34] <Razor-X> robertj: but potato's slow
[02:34] <david> it is integrated in to my laptops lcd screan well on top of itwebcam to work
[02:34] <cafuego> robertj: I'd start with woody and stay there.
[02:34] <Razor-X> I don't think any package distro can acheive the same speed as a source distro
[02:34] <cafuego> Razor-X: No, a p100 is slow.
[02:35] <Razor-X> and speed is what I severely need on it
[02:35] <poningru> david: chances of that runnin is small
[02:35] <Razor-X> cafuego: Pottato's slow _on_ a P100
[02:35] <poningru> try to find out what kind it is
[02:35] <david> great
[02:35] <cafuego> Razor-X: If you offset the compile-time, packaged distros are FAR faster than any source distro.
[02:35] <robertj> Razor: that's like saying you severly need speed on a big wheel
[02:35] <Razor-X> robertj: a big wheel?
[02:35] <robertj> yes, like 2 year olds ride
[02:35] <david> poningru: is there a way ti even check if it is detected
[02:35] <cafuego> Razor-X: but why not spend two months compiling in order to find out for yourself? ;-)
[02:35] <Razor-X> cafuego: and the learning experience? ;)
[02:36] <poningru> david: look under hardware
[02:36] <robertj> the learning experience is probably not very useful
[02:36] <poningru> in system->administration
[02:36] <cafuego> Razor-X: following a HOWTO and copying commands does not a learning experience make.
[02:36] <Razor-X> robertj: and wouldn't it be kickass to outfit a big wheel with a bigass engine?
[02:36] <david> poningru: where is that?
[02:36] <poningru> device manager
[02:36] <poningru> not hardware
[02:36] <poningru> sorry
[02:36] <robertj> Razor: not it wouldn't its plastic and wont ever go fast
[02:36] <Razor-X> robertj: you're saying that just because something is meant for this, it shouldn't be used for that
[02:37] <poningru> cafuego: not yoda you are
[02:37] <Razor-X> that's like saying ``Why customize your Linux distro?''
[02:37] <Razor-X> it's already meant for this, don't make it do that!
[02:37] <robertj> Razor: the answer to why customize your linux distro is "because it beats doing it from the ground up"
[02:38] <cafuego> Razor-X: No, it's like saying "Why spend $100 to win $10?"
 I'm not disparaging Indians. I am merely saying that they are taking the jobs of people here who aren't big picture people
[02:41] <poningru> david: try to find something like a camera or something like that
[02:41] <Razor-X> robertj: and understand that Indians don't all work in call centers
[02:41] <poningru> or something like webcam
[02:41] <cafuego> robertj: They aren't taking jobs, they get given them by large companies. Different issue.
[02:41] <Razor-X> there are different fields, just like not all Americans work in call centers
[02:42] <Razor-X> robertj: other companies offer the jobs, they shop around for it
[02:42] <robertj> cafuego: They are taking the job. I took someone elses job, that's the way the world works
[02:42] <Razor-X> if China outsourced here, Americans would stay away?
[02:42] <Razor-X> I heavily doubt that
[02:42] <bob2> this seems rather unrelated to Ubuntu
[02:42] <Razor-X> bob2: well, it has something to do about using a source distro, in robertj's opinion
[02:42] <Mobius> i agree bob2
[02:42] <black13> does the locale information reside in /usr/lib/locale
[02:42] <cafuego> robertj: of course they take the job. Beats being unemployed. You can't honestly expect someone to refuse a job so that someone else might make more money off it?
[02:43] <Razor-X> black13: yeah, and also some shell vars
[02:43] <robertj> cafuego: I don't blame them, it's just generally to be avoided
[02:43] <cafuego> robertj: call centers, yes.
[02:43] <Razor-X> robertj: because it's becoming taboo?
[02:43] <bob2> black13: share, not lib
[02:43] <robertj> Razor: no, not because its taboo, because you want to keep working
[02:43] <black13> or better what happens if dont have any locale binares would that cause the afor mentioned problems
[02:43] <black13> bob2 /usr/share
[02:43] <Razor-X> robertj: well, don't blame them, blame our companies
[02:44] <bob2> black13: you don't need locale binaries
[02:44] <robertj> Razor: I did'nt blaim Indians
[02:44] <Razor-X> black13: I wouldn't think that many binaries use locale if you're using basic English language binaries
[02:44] <Razor-X> robertj: not that I condone outsourcing, mind you
[02:44] <cafuego> robertj: it did sure look that way though, from what you initially typed.
[02:44] <black13> bob2 /usr/share/locale/????
[02:44] <Razor-X> as an American citizen, I feel outsourcing is wrong, it's more money in the coffers that'll destroy us in the long run
[02:44] <bob2> black13: I have no idea what you're trying to do
[02:44] <robertj> Razor: it's fine, outsourcing is okay. I don't work where I will be outsourced, and that is a concious decision on my part.
[02:45] <boo_boo> Razor-X: esd restarted and still no luck, any other ideas
[02:45] <cafuego> Razor-X: The US are long dead, they just haven't realised it yet.
[02:45] <robertj> cafuego: sorry, but people tend to be over sensitive to facts they don't like
[02:45] <pax> nobody took anybody's job, the US is a nation of immigrants, some create jobs others import more people to work for cheap, the new people take the jobs, everyone make money, and we are all one big happy family until you involve politics in a channel like this one.
[02:45] <black13> Razor-x I am in industry that is on its way out .... of the border
[02:45] <poningru> black13: get a new job
[02:45] <robertj> pax: YES THEY DID! THat's horse pucky! I _took_ someone elses job and if I don't cust the mustard _someone_ will take mine
[02:46] <Razor-X> pax: ....... you don't understand capitalism
[02:46] <Mobius> can we please take this ... conversation elsewhere?
[02:46] <Razor-X> ok, this is too offtopic
[02:46] <pax> Take it with your local politicians.
[02:46] <Razor-X> yeah, let's go to #ubuntu-offtopic for outsourcing
[02:46] <funkyHat> :D
[02:46] <black13> ponigru jesus what crawled up your ass
[02:46] <Razor-X> oh yeah
[02:47] <Razor-X> by the way, octave1.2-emacsen is broken
[02:47] <Razor-X> just to let you maintainers know
[02:47] <bob2> Razor-X: file a bug!
[02:47] <Mobius> anyone up for discussing how we can bring the different parts of the ubuntu community together?
[02:47] <robertj> Mobus: for what purpose?
[02:47] <funkyHat> Mobius, #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:48] <Mobius> k- sorry , nvm =)
[02:48] <funkyHat> ;)
[02:48] <linuxpoe1> backports broken?
[02:49] <Razor-X> bob2: hmmm, I shall
[02:49] <godzirra> Can anyone help me figure out why I can't compile my kernel now?  It keeps telling me this:  The contained UTS_VERSION string: "2.6.10-custom" does not match expectations:"2.6.10custom" when I'm doing this:  sudo make-kpkg --append-to-version=custom kernel_image modules_image
[02:50] <bob2> make-kpkg clean, try again
[02:50] <black13> Razor-X local -a report all kinds of nice locales
[02:50] <bob2> but what feature is the ubuntu 2.6.10 kernel missing?
[02:50] <godzirra> ahh, make-kpkg
[02:50] <godzirra> thank you
[02:50] <godzirra> I accidentally did --append-to-version=-custom
[02:50] <godzirra> instead of just "Custom"
[02:52] <poningru> when will we switch to 2.6.12?
[02:52] <poningru> or is that planned for breazy only?
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> poningru: breezy only
[02:53] <Balthazar> Hi, I just upgraded my video card from an Nvidia GF4MX 440 to a Sapphire Radeon9800 Pro, and now I can't start X.  Is there a simple way to fix this?
[02:54] <robertj> Balthazar: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf and follow the directions at top to reconfig X
[02:54] <godzirra> Does anyone know anything about vga mode/frame buffer support and laptops?  I want my console mode to be 1024x768 instead of 640x480.
[02:54] <Balthazar> I think I'm still on XFree
[02:54] <Balthazar> Using Warty
[02:55] <blake_> can someone please tell me how to add multiverse to my sources.list i'm confused
[02:55] <bob2> Balthazar: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:55] <bob2> blake_: it explains how.  uncomment the multiverse lines
[02:56] <spartas> godzirra, if your video card is less than 2 years old, it should support it
[02:56] <godzirra> It does.. I had it running on gentoo :)
[02:56] <godzirra> I just dont remember how
[02:56] <godzirra> and cant find docs telling me how to setit up
[02:56] <poningru> by uncomment they mean remove the # from the front of the line
[02:56] <blake_> ok i'm confused but ultimately i'm just trying to install and run mplayer cause totem is screwing up finaly like yall told me it would do
[02:56] <liz4rd> whast the windows fonts package called agian?
[02:56] <godzirra> I know you have to compile something into the kernel and set some MBR options.
[02:57] <blake_> soooo i'm at a los
[02:57] <blake_> i don't know how to compile anything
[02:57] <spartas> godzirra, you should just have to add vga=795 to your boot options
[02:57] <bob2> blake_: you don't need to compile anything
[02:57] <blake_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061 says i do
[02:57] <bob2> blake_: do you know what "uncomment" means?
[02:57] <liz4rd> thats the name of the windows fonts package called agian?
[02:57] <bob2> ignore the forums then
[02:58] <boo_boo> anyone, no sound while running visualboy
[02:58] <blake_> vaguely ....bubi haven't done anyting yet
[02:58] <Burgundavia> can someone tell me what language this was? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=diff
[02:58] <blake_> but*
[02:58] <bob2> blake_: so open /etc/apt/sources.list in a text editor, and read it
[02:58] <nalioth> liz4rd: msttcorefonts
[02:58] <robertj> Balthazar: well the same instructions are there in the X config file I believe
[02:58] <Andares> When the hell did CSS become a restricted format?
[02:59] <robertj> Balth: but you probably really want to upgrade to hoary if there is no reason not to
[02:59] <Balthazar> I tried running that dpkg reconfigure program, and it didn't work :(
[02:59] <bob2> Andares: CSS the DVD dencryption algorithm is patented
[02:59] <Andares> Ohh....
[02:59] <Andares> I thought they meant Cascading Style Sheets.
[02:59] <bob2> and protected by a corporation who likes the DMCA
[03:00] <lilliput> hello all
[03:00] <slacknew> hello anybody can help me with my SD slot in my laptop_
[03:00] <bob2> slacknew: does linux support it at all?
[03:00] <Quake> hey guys
[03:01] <slacknew> bob2, hmm i don't know... what do you know about that?
[03:01] <godzirra> Now I just have to figure out how to get ACPI to work :/
[03:02] <godzirra> I wish I could find the ubuntu docs more easily.
[03:02] <bob2> slacknew: use google and/or linux-laptops.net
[03:02] <bob2> godzirra: get it to work?  what's there to configure?
[03:02] <lilliput> I just want to advertise for a jabber bot that I finidh If some of you could test it would be great .. it's available on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or on hotmail via<EMAIL_ADDRESS>.The bot is a turing machine ie reproduce a human
[03:02] <godzirra> ACPI is power saving stuff right?  Or am I thinking of the other A acronym? :)
[03:02] <bob2> yes
[03:02] <bob2> it should work by default
[03:02] <godzirra> ok.. I'm on a laptop
[03:03] <godzirra> ok, how do I tweak the settings then
[03:03] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryPMTestingResults
[03:03] <bob2> what settings are there to tweak?
[03:03] <godzirra> Well, hopefully I'd lke to make the screen turn off if I flip the lid down.
[03:03] <bob2> that should happen by default
[03:03] <godzirra> if thats not possible, I'd like the screen to turn off after X minutes if there's no interaction.
[03:03] <humbolt> kwifimanager does not seem to be able to handle wep keys. What am I doing wrong. Propably it does not set anything when I hit activate.
[03:03] <godzirra> it doesnt.
[03:04] <drayen> *stupid newbie question comming up* Im trying to do some web dev work, useing FTP to upload and download directories (with sub dirs) at a time, ive worked out how to use the command line lftp, but there doesnt seem to be any easy way to get entire dirs at a time. help?!?!
[03:04] <Xenguy> drayen: mget ?
[03:04] <linuxpoet> drayen: use scp
[03:04] <bob2> and mput
[03:04] <godzirra> bob2: are you saying ACPI should do that by default or my laptop hardware should do that by default?
[03:04] <bob2> or use rsync
[03:04] <bob2> godzirra: both
[03:04] <drayen> Xenguy, im sure i tried mget, but it still didnt like it...
[03:04] <linuxpoet> rsync is good cause you can shell through ssh
[03:04] <godzirra> bob2: ok, my laptop apparently doesnt
[03:04] <bob2> godzirra: perhaps your laptop has a buggy acpi implementation or something
[03:04] <godzirra> nor does ACPI
[03:05] <bob2> godzirra: what does that page say about it?
[03:05] <drayen> linuxpoet, scp, does that use ftp as its backend (im haveing to use FTP asits what our ISP uses)
[03:05] <skalpel> how do i use ident in ubuntu?
[03:05] <bob2> drayen: no
[03:05] <linuxpoet> drayen: I am sure you isp supports scp... You don't use telnet right? You are using ssh
[03:05] <bob2> skalpel: install nullidentd
[03:06] <godzirra> bob2: not sure what I'm supposed to be looking on that page tyet
[03:06] <linuxpoet> scp -r * user@myisp.com:/htdocs
[03:06] <linuxpoet> for example
[03:06] <skalpel> k, thank you
[03:06] <godzirra> look at on that page rather
[03:06] <vader1102> is there any way to upgrade to Hoary from Warty, without the disk?
[03:06] <bob2> godzirra: er? is your laptop on there?
[03:06] <skalpel> bob2: jon@ubuntu:~$ install nullidentd
[03:06] <skalpel> install: too few arguments
[03:06] <bob2> vader1102: wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[03:06] <godzirra> oh..  the page you sent me to doesnt exist.
[03:06] <Balthazar> I'm running the xserver config, but my XFree86-4 file doesn't get overwritten, so it still tries to use the old file ( and still fails)
[03:06] <drayen> linux... hummm okay i will give it a try :D
[03:06] <godzirra> I missed that huge message up top :p
[03:06] <bob2> skalpel: of course, install is a verb, not a command
[03:07] <nalioth> vader1102: dont you mean the opposite?
[03:07] <nalioth> tritium: evenin'
[03:07] <bob2> skalpel: how do you normally install packages?
[03:07] <tritium> hi nalioth
[03:07] <bob2> Balthazar: then read the top of the file
[03:07] <nalioth> godzirra: you can always type /topic to see it again
[03:07] <skalpel> sorry, i used synaptic, so nm
[03:07] <bob2> Balthazar: and don't edit config files in future without a) reading the top and b) making a backup
[03:07] <godzirra> nalioth: I meant finding specific docs :)
[03:07] <bob2> skalpel: then install the package with synaptic
[03:07] <skalpel> bob2: is that all i will have to do or do i need to run it afterwards?
[03:07] <Balthazar> bob2 The top of the file says to run that config command after doing a copy and an md5sum.  I did the copy, and the md5sum gave me permission denied, even though I sudo'ed it
[03:07] <bob2> skalpel: that's all
[03:08] <blackgecko> hi all ive just installed ubuntu in my lap but is so slow that even siwtching apps is slow, any ideas ???
[03:08] <bob2> godzirra: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryPMResults
[03:08] <Balthazar> Also, making a backup would be irrelvant in this case because I'm not putting my old video card back in
[03:08] <bob2> Balthazar: then show us the command you ran and the error
[03:08] <godzirra> ah
[03:08] <bob2> Balthazar: no, it's not irrelevan; if you had a backup, you could put it back and dpkg-reconfigure would work again
[03:08] <Balthazar> bob2 If I could copy and paste between virtual consoles I would :S
[03:09] <Balthazar> bob2 It didn't work the first time (unless you mean at install)
[03:09] <bob2> Balthazar: then there's not much anyone can do
[03:09] <skalpel> bob2: thank you
[03:09] <godzirra> bob2: no its not.  But it is on anotehr page saying ACPI is fully working (not with ubuntu though)
[03:10] <bob2> ok
[03:10] <blake_> hey once i un commit can i commit them back???????
[03:10] <blake_> ?
[03:10] <bob2> a) one question mark is plenty
[03:10] <bob2> b) you need to provide context when asking questions
[03:10] <lilliput> no one to try the bot ?
[03:11] <kyncani> blackgecko: how much ram do you have ?
[03:11] <humbolt> what would I use to make my eth0 only come up, when there is actually a network cable pluged in?
[03:11] <blackgecko> kyncani: 512
[03:11] <bob2> humbolt: install ifplugd
[03:11] <lilliput> it's based on the AI from ALICE project
[03:11] <humbolt> what about laptop-net?
[03:12] <linuxpoet> humbolt: net-plugd I think
[03:12] <kyncani> blackgecko: more than enough then
[03:12] <skalpel> does anyone know how i can fix this?
[03:12] <skalpel> * *** k-lined for Open proxy found on your host, please visit www.njabl.org/cgi-bin/lookup.cgi?query=<IP_ADDRESS> (2005/07/26 21.07)
[03:12] <skalpel> * *** Your hostmask is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:12] <blackgecko> kyncani: P4 mobile 3.06 ghz, 512 ram ATI 345IGP
[03:12] <robertj> waht's the minimum memory footprint for 2.12 goign to be?
[03:12] <godzirra> bob2: any idea?
[03:12] <skalpel> i think i have been hacked somehow
[03:12] <bob2> skalpel: fix your system
[03:12] <bob2> skalpel: if you're using ubuntu, that's highly unlikely
[03:12] <sproingie> skalpel: what are you running?
[03:12] <skalpel> ubuntu
[03:12] <kyncani> blackgecko: you should monitor system resources to find out what is eating everything
[03:12] <skalpel> i joined #260 on efnet last night and started having problems
[03:13] <humbolt> does installing ifplugd resolve the "waiting for dhcp to find out, there is not dhcp" at bootup problem?
[03:13] <bob2> godzirra: does sudo /etc/acpi/lid.sh blank it?
[03:13] <blake_> i'll be more spesific then bob
[03:13] <skalpel> #2600, pardon me
[03:13] <bob2> humbolt: no
[03:13] <sproingie> skalpel: you've probably been rooted.  have fun reinstalling
[03:13] <skalpel> am having trouble logging on certain servers on efnet and am having these problems on dalnet
[03:13] <bob2> humbolt: a) not all cards can detect cables, b) dhcp can take forever, hence it waiting 20 seconds before giving up
[03:13] <blackgecko> kyncani: im using xfce4 but its still slow
[03:13] <godzirra> bob2: uhh.. apparently I don't have an /etc/acpi
[03:13] <skalpel> sproingie: probably? how would i go about finding out?
[03:14] <humbolt> no? it did in debian. well either laptop-net or ifplugd or both, I do not remember exactly.
[03:14] <bob2> godzirra: um, ubuntu includes
[03:14] <robertj> skalpel: what's your ip address right now, I'll port scan you, that will be a start
[03:14] <bob2> it
[03:14] <sproingie> skalpel: well if you're truly rooted, you probably don't.  not without some kind of rootkit detector bootable cd
[03:14] <godzirra> bob2: its not there.
[03:14] <Xenguy> skalpel: try installing and running 'chkrootkit'.  'rkhunter' (not yet packaged for Ubu) is well worth installing/running also
[03:14] <bob2> skalpel: have you run things from outside ubuntu?
[03:14] <bob2> godzirra: how on earth did you install ubuntu?
[03:14] <skalpel> robertj: <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:14] <kyncani> blackgecko: yeah, use system monitors like top or gnome-system-monitors. Take a special look at cpu usage and resident memory consumptions (that's what works best for me)
[03:14] <godzirra> I followed the--dud's ubuntu install with fluxbox which installs as server
[03:14] <kyncani> blackgecko: meant gnome-system-monitor
[03:15] <robertj> skal: that website says it was added in 2004
[03:15] <kyncani> blackgecko: also take a look at system logs (tail -f /var/log/syslog).
[03:15] <bob2> bah
[03:15] <humbolt> bob2: my nic can detect cable plugin. and there sure was a way to get my debian to only start my interface (+dhcp) when a cable was plugged in.
[03:15] <bob2> the--dud: fix your guide so people get a usable system
[03:15] <godzirra> Sorry. :/  which packages should I install?
[03:15] <bob2> kthxbye
[03:15] <blake_> ok, in the document that you previously told me to open and read(/etc/apt/sources.net) it telles me that i need to un commit "the following 2 lines and the script below only reads 1 line of script here is a copy and paste
[03:15] <godzirra> lol
[03:15] <godzirra> its usable.. most people don't need acpi. :p
[03:15] <bob2> humbolt: ok!
[03:15] <skalpel> bob2: i have not run anything outside of ubuntu
[03:15] <kyncani> blackgecko: if some hardware / bus is keeping the kernel busy with errors, you will see it in kernel logs
[03:15] <bob2> presumably ifplugd does that then
[03:15] <bob2> godzirra: acpi-support
[03:16] <robertj> skalpel: thats old and probably not even from your machine
[03:16] <bob2> godzirra: but bear in mind you're missing lots of other useful packages
[03:16] <blake_> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network
[03:16] <blake_> # deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[03:16] <roy> for some reason i can't load my extensions on FF. nothing comes up when i click on Tools > Extensions. i'm running 1.0.6. can anyone help?
[03:16] <blackgecko> kyncani: the top is Xorg
[03:16] <godzirra> bob2: was that to me?
[03:16] <bob2> yes?
[03:16] <zyth> Can anyone direct me to a decent page on the issues/costs with setting up a large building for wifi perhaps?  Kind of offtopic, but I figure there's enough people here who might know...
[03:16] <kyncani> blackgecko: xorg is eating what, ram ? cpu ?
[03:16] <bob2> blackgecko: remove the # and the space after it
[03:17] <godzirra> bob2: Oh. blake2 said that.. sorry.
[03:17] <humbolt> bob2: but which one is the one that is more integrated in the boot process?
[03:17] <skalpel> robertj: what is?
[03:17] <godzirra> i thought what blake2 said was somethin you said.
[03:17] <CarlFK> zyth - "it depends"
[03:17] <blackgecko> 10.3 cpu 12.6 ram is at the top mos of the time
[03:17] <robertj> skalpel: that kline
[03:17] <godzirra> WOOHOO!
[03:17] <bob2> humbolt: why don't you just try and see?
[03:17] <skalpel> robertj: weird. the error i was getting before that one suggested i installed identd, which i had never had problems with before
[03:17] <kyncani> blackgecko: that's not it. Check the system logs (tail -f /var/log/syslog)
[03:17] <godzirra> bob2: thanks tons :)  now I just need vgamode support
[03:17] <liz4rd> whats that video player that starts with an h?
[03:18] <CarlFK> zyth - /join #wifi
[03:18] <zyth> CarlFK, yeah, I figured that.  Basically, I've got a 2 floor fairly large building, walls are all drywall or wood... I need to get wifi over the whole place.  Just wondering what kind of hardware I need :/
[03:18] <godzirra> and I'm set :)
[03:18] <zyth> ahh cool
[03:18] <roy> the javascript console gives me this error: XML Parsing Error: no element found
[03:18] <roy> Location: jar:resource:///chrome/toolkit.jar!/content/mozapps/update/updates.xml
[03:18] <roy> Line Number 1, Column 1:
[03:18] <desmond> how can i listen music from www.di.fm???????
[03:18] <zyth> CarlFK, thnx
[03:18] <robertj> skalpel: identd is a sign the server op is a tard
[03:18] <bob2> godzirra: you don't need to recompile for that, and using X is far simpler
[03:18] <humbolt> bob2: I rather ask the wise guys first.
[03:18] <blackgecko> kyncani: just dhcp logs
[03:18] <godzirra> I do use X... but I'd still like framebuffer support working... and I thought I needed to compile in vesa support?
[03:18] <godzirra> is it in by default?
[03:19] <linuxpoet> desmod try using totem
[03:19] <desmond> how do i listen music from di.fm????
[03:19] <blake_> bob2: when i enter the command in shell should it look like this????  $  uncommit deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[03:19] <skalpel><EMAIL_ADDRESS>that is not the name i have specified in my irc client, someone changed it i believe, so what should i do?
[03:19] <kyncani> blackgecko: no error raising again and again ?
[03:19] <liz4rd> whats that video player that starts with an h?
[03:19] <bob2> blake_: where on earth did you get "uncommit" from?
[03:19] <blackgecko> kincany: renewal in 266 seconds. is it not to shor lease time ?
[03:19] <bob2> blake_: uncomment is a different word to uncommit
[03:19] <bob2> blake_: and I explained that "uncomment" meant "remove the # and leading space"
[03:20] <blake_> yeah
[03:20] <blake_> well
[03:20] <drayen> linuxpoet, in a related question/problem, when i use the "connect to server" from places, i get "There is no default action associated with this location" - am i missing important packages?
[03:20] <blake_> i got confused
[03:20] <bob2> blake_: so, instead of going off on massive tangents, explain which bit you don't understand
[03:20] <blake_> ooh no i'm calm
[03:21] <blake_> i haven't done anyting yet because i wasn't sure
[03:21] <kyncani> blackgecko: mmf, nothing's eating like 50-60 % of ram or cpu and you don't have errors flooding the kernel
[03:21] <blake_> do you recall the document you told me to read?
[03:22] <cjserio> Hey folks...I'm having a makefile issue...i use recursion in my makefile and one of my rules is setup as "%.xpl:" so that anything with a .xpl extension gets caught but it's never getting caught...it worked fine on FC3
[03:22] <blake_> and how do you make your name red can i do that
[03:22] <blackgecko> kyncani: nop, its mi first ubuntu try ive used fedora and gentoo in the past and are a lot faster
[03:22] <QMario> Where can I get the latest Shockwave plugin?
[03:22] <blake_> letters*
[03:22] <QMario> For Mozilla Firefox on Ubuntu.
[03:22] <bob2> pretty sure shockwave doesn't exist on linux
[03:22] <Burgundavia> QMario, there is no shockwave for linux
[03:22] <sproingie> i think he means flash
[03:22] <FormerWinXPUser> how can i set rhythmbox to play mp3s
[03:23] <Burgundavia> FormerWinXPUser, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:23] <QMario> Burgundavia, what do you mean?
[03:23] <bob2> FormerWinXPUser: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:23] <nalioth> !tell FormerWinXPUser about restricted
[03:23] <bob2> which should be linked from the FAQ
[03:23] <Burgundavia> QMario, there is a flash plugin but no shockwave plugin
[03:23] <kyncani> blackgecko: well, you could switch to an optimized kernel but that won't give you a magical boost in performance i think ..
[03:23] <sproingie> is macromedia even developing shockwave anymore?
[03:23] <rob^> bob2, it is going to be
[03:23] <IIIEars> Using streamtuner for a Xiph station i clicked on a link and now can't tune in to any stations XMMS isn't activated even after re-installing XMMS and Streamtuner. - What extension needs to be reinstalled?
[03:24] <QMario> Oh, okay.
[03:24] <sproingie> macrodobe, i guess i should say
[03:24] <ebryn> anybody have any idea why my boot process would stop at INIT's "* version 2.86 booting" message?
[03:24] <FormerWinXPUser> so i cant use mp3s with rhythmbox at all, eh?
[03:24] <bob2> FormerWinXPUser: er, sure you can, read that page
[03:24] <cjserio> Actually, recursion isn't even the issue...i guess it's just that "%.xpl" fails no matter what i type
[03:24] <bob2> cjserio: you'd have better luck asking on the user list or finding a gnu make list, I suspect
[03:24] <boo_boo> need help, all games that i run have no sound.  cd/mp3's play fine.  system beeps are ok.  any ideas?
[03:25] <bob2> pkill esd
[03:25] <bob2> run game
[03:25] <bob2> enjoy
[03:25] <cjserio> bob2: which is the "user list
[03:25] <kyncani> blackgecko: overall cpu usage is nowhere near 100% ?
[03:25] <bob2> cjserio<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:25] <cjserio> ok thanks
[03:25] <blackgecko> kincany: nop
[03:25] <moparfan90> hello
[03:26] <blake_> or mabye can you point me in the right fourm where i can read about installing mplayer without haveing to compile anything .......somewhere that i can read what you were talking about when you were talking about ....wht you were talking about
[03:26] <IIIEars> boo_boo - i am very new also. - but i think stopping the esd server process will give you sound for games. (esd allows two apps to share sound resources.)
[03:26] <godzirra> bob2: So how do I enable it vga mode in console?
[03:26] <blake_> that was for you bob
[03:26] <Xenguy> bob2: hrm, are pkill and killall functionally equivalent BTW?
[03:26] <blake_> 2
[03:26] <FormerWinXPUser> and how do i get totem to play mpg and avi, wmv etc?
[03:26] <skalpel> what does it mean if an open proxy has been found on my host?
[03:26] <bob2> blake_: so, edit /etc/apt/sources.list as I explained
[03:26] <kyncani> blackgecko: is this only X suffering performance losses or are the console apps unresponsive either ?
[03:26] <bob2> blake_: if you don't know how, then ask
[03:26] <QMario> Bob2, can't he also do System->Preferences->Multimedia Systems Selector?
[03:26] <moparfan90> i was trying to open the file install-sh and when i open it, it says open in terminal... so then it does and closes 1 sec after. what do i do?????????
[03:27] <sproingie> Xenguy: pkill and killall are basically the same on linux.  killall is a very different command in solaris
[03:27] <blake_> i opened that document
[03:27] <bob2> Xenguy: on linux, yes, but on solaris "killall" does what it says
[03:27] <bob2> QMario: don't know
[03:27] <sproingie> bob2: i remember using killall on solaris once.  as root.  on a server.
[03:27] <blake_> bob2 i opened that document
[03:27] <bob2> moparfan90: why are you touching that file at all?
[03:27] <Xenguy> sproingie bob2 tx
[03:27] <drayen> When i use the "connect to server" from places, i get "There is no default action associated with this location" - am i missing important packages?
[03:27] <QMario> He could change the output for audio, from ESD to ALSA.
[03:27] <blake_> bob2 and i was reading it
[03:27] <blake_> what should i do with it
[03:27] <bob2> blake_: so, remove the "# " from the front of some of those lines
[03:28] <moparfan90> bob2 because i want to install it. do you know how?
[03:28] <bob2> godzirra: you pass correct FB options to it, I gather
[03:28] <blake_> <<<<FEALS LIKE AN IDIOT
[03:28] <bob2> moparfan90: you want to install install-sh?
[03:28] <blake_> hahaha i didn't think it could be that easy
[03:28] <godzirra> bob2: "it" being what?
[03:28] <blake_> it that all
[03:28] <blake_> bob2
[03:28] <skalpel> hi i am having trouble with email addresses in xchat, i am not able to click on and use the 'mailto' option in my client, does anyone know why?
[03:28] <bob2> godzirra: the kernel at boot time
[03:28] <FormerWinXPUser> how do i get totem to play popular video formats like mpg?
[03:28] <bob2> blake_: assuming you removed the right ones, yes
[03:28] <blackgecko> kincany: nop only at the x
[03:28] <bob2> FormerWinXPUser: again, read that page
[03:28] <FormerWinXPUser> oh ok
[03:28] <FormerWinXPUser> sry
[03:28] <moparfan90> bob2, yes
[03:29] <FormerWinXPUser> thanks for everything guys
[03:29] <blake_> bob2 then what? apt-get install mplayer
[03:29] <bob2> moparfan90: why?
[03:29] <drayen> FormerWinXPUser, try useing VLC instead :D
[03:29] <bob2> moparfan90: what are you really trying to do?
[03:29] <kyncani> blackgecko: well, you could try different xorg configurations. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. good luck
[03:29] <godzirra> bob2: for some reason I don't have a grub.conf... thats where I was going to put the options.
[03:29] <moparfan90> bob2, do you know how to?
[03:29] <bob2> blake_: paste /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[03:29] <bob2> godzirra: grub.conf is a redhat/gentoo invention. /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:29] <bob2> moparfan90: what are you really trying to do?
[03:29] <godzirra> ahh, ok.
[03:29] <moparfan90> bob2, i am trying to install a gui wrapper for python
[03:29] <bob2> upstream calls it that
[03:29] <bob2> moparfan90: called...
[03:30] <blackgecko> kincany: ok thanks
[03:30] <moparfan90> bob2, let me look
[03:30] <kyncani> blackgecko: np, hope you will find out :)
[03:30] <moparfan90> bob2, http://www.tcl.tk/
[03:30] <bob2> ebryn: please don't
[03:30] <Xenguy> ebryn: don't do that
[03:30] <troy> is there any way to easily create an alternate installation disk: I need kernel 2.6.11 to recognise my SATA controller for the ATI chipset
[03:30] <bob2> moparfan90: so, stop right now, tcl and tk are in ubuntu
[03:30] <moparfan90> bob2, do you know a better one?
[03:30] <moparfan90> oo
[03:30] <blake_> bob2 .....flood ......you mean like, paste that whee the pounds' usto be?
[03:30] <godzirra> bob2: do I need to run something after editing menu.lst?
[03:31] <blake_> where*
[03:31] <bob2> godzirra: no, but I'd highly recommend not touching it until you've verified your boot options work (ie boot into grub and edit and add them there)
[03:31] <IIIEars> bob2 - Is it four questions at once now? - amazed.
[03:31] <bob2> blake_: as in the irc channel #flood
[03:31] <dave__> Question: did anyone compile the latest Samba on Ubuntu?
[03:31] <godzirra> hrm.  where's a good howto on how to "boot into grub"
[03:31] <dave__> I need it for XP X64 support.
[03:31] <Xenguy> blake_: /join the IRC channel #flood, then paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:31] <godzirra> or do you mean reboot my linux box and try it on the command line as options to my kernel?
[03:31] <bob2> dave__: if you have a question about it, it's best to just ask
[03:32] <troy> godzirra: when the GRUB loader comes up, hit ESC
[03:32] <bob2> godzirra: yes
[03:32] <blake_> um..
[03:32] <blake_> ok
[03:32] <blake_> brb
[03:32] <moparfan90> is anyone good at python and has some time to show me some stuff???????????????
[03:32] <IIIEars> #ubuntu-bob2 - wide grin
[03:32] <dave__> Did anyone compile the latest Samba on Ubuntu?
[03:32] <skalpel> what is a good firewall to use with ubuntu?
[03:32] <bob2> moparfan90: www.python.org/doc/
[03:33] <bob2> skalpel: you dont need one by default, but I quite like shorewall.  I hear firestarter is nice if you want a gui.
[03:33] <bob2> dave__: if you have a question about it, just ask
[03:33] <neighborlee> is there a fix for newly installed apps not showing up in menus ? ;-))) ..thx anyone
[03:33] <dabaR> !are you alive ubotu? if so, why are you ignoring me in private when I am identified
[03:33] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, dabaR
[03:33] <bob2> moparfan90: read the python tutorial
[03:33] <dave__> I did.
[03:33] <moparfan90> i did
[03:33] <bob2> neighborlee: use a menu editor like smeg to add them
[03:33] <skalpel> bob2: i like gui, is it in synaptic?
[03:33] <Xenguy> skalpel: shorewall
[03:33] <bob2> dave__: where?
[03:33] <dave__> Where can I get the latest debs?
[03:33] <bob2> skalpel: yes
[03:33] <dabaR> !info gthumb
[03:33] <kyncani> skalpel: define good, simple, complete ?
[03:33] <ubotu> gthumb: (an image viewer and browser for GNOME2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 3:2.6.3-1ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 1617 kB, Installed size: 8292 kB
[03:33] <IIIEars> skalpel - ubuntu denies packets by default. - but firestarter is a good choice as it allows a graphical configuration for internet sharing.
[03:33] <neighborlee> bob2, ok next questoin then...is this being 'fixed' for breezy or is it being worked on at all do you know ?
[03:34] <bob2> dave__: it's unlikely to be packaged for hoary, and breezy is highly broken
[03:34] <skalpel> i like gui, and i like simple and complete
[03:34] <moparfan90> does anyone know python good and has time to show me some stuff???
[03:34] <skalpel> the simpler the better
[03:34] <bob2> neighborlee: it was a concious decision