[05:12] <stuNNed> anyone know why i can't change desktop background image in nautilus?
[05:13] <fsc> stuNNed, just right click on the desktop
[05:13] <stuNNed> fsc, yes, won't change when i change it
[05:16] <speel> what file do i edit once i dled the nvidia drivers?
[05:16] <LucidVisions> hello all,I am about to install ubuntu tonight.Ive been using debian/unstable for 2 years,but ubuntu sounds fantastic
[05:17] <inc_> no complaints here
[05:17] <asubedi> LucidVisions: Ubuntu is fantastic
[05:17] <rushibhai> lucid: i just moved from sid to ubuntu. no problems yet..
[05:17] <inc_> installed konquerer cuase i don't like nautilis
[05:17] <inc_> it's works
[05:17] <LucidVisions> exelent, thats good to hear,,im excited indeed
[05:18] <Matt|> can anyone think of any packages I might need to recompile my Xfree dri modules? I come across an error and I think that maybe i need to install other packages?
[05:18] <rushibhai> lucidvisions: good luck, you'll like it, esp. the wallpaper artwork
[05:18] <inc_> lol the default artwork?
[05:19] <rushibhai> lol the ubuntu-calendar stuff
[05:19] <inc_> went to art.gnome.org for new spalsh screen that dude was scary
[05:19] <rushibhai> we were all rolling on the floor at school after seeing it..
[05:19] <inc_> gave me nightmares
[05:19] <inc_> lol
[05:20] <LucidVisions> lol,,sounds cool.
[05:20] <rushibhai> hahaha. anyone notice the nipples at the login screen?
[05:20] <inc_> eww
[05:20] <rushibhai> exactly.
[05:21] <jason_> You'd rather a penis inc_?
[05:21] <inc_> yeah they need to get rid of that
[05:21] <inc_> rather not see any
[05:21] <rushibhai> "human" greeter is not bad, though.
[05:22] <inc_> not kool for default... say I wanted to setup 10 workstations with it at work.. not gonna fly with half naked people on the screens
[05:22] <rushibhai> no dude, i convinced one guy to put ubuntu just because of that. he was going to put sid otherwise..
[05:23] <inc_> lol
[05:23] <inc_> maybe they should let you choose during the install process
[05:24] <rushibhai> or not install the calendar package. then it doesn't turn up (i think)
[05:24] <aLi> how can i mount iso files?
[05:24] <inc_> well you still see them at startup on the splash screen
[05:25] <rushibhai> ah. you're right. i just checked that.
[05:25] <inc_> the backgrd is easy to change the spalsh is not hard but a pain
[05:25] <rushibhai> right..
[05:26] <rushibhai> still, nothing like built-in half naked people in the desktop. got to love it..
[05:26] <inc_> i got a crystal gnome splash screen.. looks good
[05:26] <inc_> lol oh ya
[05:26] <inc_> one thing i noticed is that you need to install everything on the fly.. I was like where's apace and php and mysql lol
[05:27] <inc_> like to use trace route I needed to type apt-get install traceroute
[05:27] <aLi> how can i mount iso files?
[05:28] <inc_> it's kool though learned more that way
[05:28] <rushibhai> ali: check out the man page for mount, you can use the -o loop option..
[05:28] <rushibhai> there is an example in the man page itself.
[05:28] <LucidVisions> So its nice and lean by default then..very cool.
[05:28] <aLi> rushibhai~ it says mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[05:28] <aLi>
[05:28] <rushibhai> apt-cache search is good for that.
[05:29] <inc_> yeah lean but still have open office and stuff so it's not too lean
[05:29] <LucidVisions> Ive only heard of one issue though,isnt it vital to sudo passwd root,cause it doesnt ask you to create a root account?
[05:29] <cuga> Heya
[05:30] <rushibhai> ali: even as root?
[05:30] <cuga> thought Ubuntu had firefox .10 PR ?
[05:30] <inc_> the postfix mta is great... just poped courier on there and after a few days of learning how mail works it got it running lol
[05:30] <aLi> yes rushibai
[05:31] <inc_> let me check i thought it did
[05:31] <aLi> rushibhai~ i have installed ubuntu yet. try to mount 15 debian iso files to add apt-cdrom.. mount i cant mount them
[05:31] <rushibhai> ali: humm.. there was something called losetup though i don't remember yet.
[05:31] <inc_> nah i got 0.9.3 for firefox
[05:31] <jasund> LucidVisions:  Instead of setting up a root account, one uses gksu AKA root terminal to do root's work.
[05:32] <rushibhai> ali: are you able to see anything starting with loop in /dev ?
[05:32] <inc_> let me see if apt-get upgrade firefox works
[05:32] <aLi> rushibhai~ no.. i have checked already.. no loop in /dev
[05:32] <lamont> cuga: 1.0PR was not ready to be released.
[05:32] <LucidVisions> ah,,i see,intresting.
[05:33] <cuga> lamont: ahh kk, makes sense
[05:33] <rushibhai> ali: how about modprobe loop
[05:33] <lamont> cuga: hence the funky version number...
[05:33] <lamont> it _was_ there at one point, and yanked
[05:34] <inc_> well apt-get upgrade upgraded liek 10 other packages lol
[05:34] <rushibhai> ali: i may not be of huge help, as i have loopback support compiled in kernel. anyone else here able to help?
[05:34] <aLi> rushibhai~ :) thanks:) how can i add loop module on startup
[05:35] <rushibhai> ali: put it in /etc/modules
[05:35] <thoreauputic> aLi: you don't need to mount to use apt-cdrom . just do "apt-cdrom add"
[05:35] <inc_> so anybody know of an rdp server for linux?
[05:36] <rushibhai> thoreau: even for iso image files?
[05:36] <rushibhai> interesting..
[05:39] <cuga> I have an ATI video card, does ubuntu install by default accelerated drivers? or just 2d ?
[05:39] <rushibhai> depends which ati.
[05:39] <cuga> 9600XT
[05:39] <rushibhai> i dont have that, but you would want to use fglrx packages (i think)
[05:40] <cuga> XF86 log says accelerated but i only get 300fps on glxgears and i dont see any of ATI's utilitie
[05:40] <aLi> thoreauputic~ but im trying to add 15 iso files on my disk to apt?
[05:40] <rushibhai> my radeon 7500 works out of the box.
[05:40] <rushibhai> does glxinfo say DRI is on?
[05:40] <thoreauputic> aLi: ah soory my mistake - I misunderstood what you were doing
[05:41] <cuga> direct rendering : No
[05:41] <aLi> then help me thoreauputic:)
[05:41] <rushibhai> cuga: so that's why your glxgears is crawling...
[05:41] <rushibhai> cuga: try installing fglrx packages. i think there are about three different ones you might need.
[05:41] <cuga> yeah i see Mesa drivers , damn, does ubuntu has prepackaged ones or should i grab em from ati
[05:43] <rushibhai> ali: i dont understand your motives here.. :)
[05:43] <hectorvs> hey guys, whats up
[05:43] <brc_> wow...246 :)
[05:43] <hectorvs> i have a bit of a problem with the network-admin...
[05:44] <hectorvs> it insists in making my ethernet connection eth2 when in reality it should be eth0
[05:44] <hectorvs> how do i go about to fix this?
[05:44] <thoreauputic> aLi: are you doing this because you use dialup and don't want to download using apt/ synaptic?
[05:44] <hectorvs> i had to run ifconfig eth0 up, then dhclient
[05:44] <hectorvs> to get a connection...
[05:46] <aLi> thoreauputic~ not dialup.. but 64 k adsl :(
[05:46] <cuga> ok i installed fglrx-driver and fglrx-control, how do i set it up now, i see no module to build or source in /usr/src...
[05:47] <aLi> i have bougth my friend disk and copied the sarge isos..
[05:47] <cuga> brb
[05:47] <thoreauputic> aLi: I use dialup and it's fine except for major upgrades - 64k would be luxury - why are you worried about it?
[05:48] <thoreauputic> aLi: or just burn the CDs and use apt-cdrom normally
[05:48] <aLi> thoreauputic we are sharing connection (nearly 13 people).. so apt cant download anything..
[05:48] <rushibhai> alright. see you guys later..
[05:48] <aLi> pff thoreauputic.. iwanna use iso files with apt
[05:48] <aLi> can i do or not
[05:49] <inc_> cya
[05:51] <agwibowo> can i suspend my computer in ubuntu?
[05:51] <agwibowo> (i'm using laptop)
[05:52] <thoreauputic> aLi: I guess the best thing would be to create a local mirror - I think how to do it is in the apt howto but I haven't done it myself. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[05:53] <aLi> thanks thoreauputic i have read it several times.. nothing there..
[05:53] <hectorvs> guys, any help? my network-admin detects my ethernet device as eth2 when it should be eth0... how can i fix this??
[05:53] <thoreauputic> aLi; 15 ISOs is a fair bit of disk space....
[05:54] <aLi> thoreauputic~ just 8.4 gb
[05:55] <thoreauputic> aLi: maybe here?  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html
[05:55] <Pizbit> Hrm, these sensors must be b0rk, no way my cpu is 74.5C
[05:55] <Pizbit> Nor is it likely to be 33C heh
[05:55] <aLi> ok, i'm lookin
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> Pizbit: my athlon 3000+ is 39C
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> case 46C
[05:56] <Pizbit> nomasteryoda: My AMD XP 1800+ has never gone much above 55
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> er, MB that is
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:56] <agwibowo> hello.....
[05:56] <agwibowo> anyone???
[05:56] <agwibowo> how to suspend my laptop in ubuntu.....
[05:57] <vasi> agwibowo, ppc or x86?
[05:57] <agwibowo> x86
[05:57] <vasi> i can only help on ppc :-/
[05:57] <agwibowo> hmm :(
[05:57] <Pizbit> nomasteryoda: I'm tempted to put my finger on the cpu fan to see if that shows the fan speed changing *evil grin*
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> Pizbit: you might have to adjust the sensors conf for your mb chips
[05:58] <cuga> Hey, is there any image for warty for kernel 2.6.9 ? 2.6.8-1 has probs last i heard
[05:58] <Pizbit> nomasteryoda: I only just looked at setting them up ebcause someone was talking about them on the list
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> Pizbit: i keep mine up in gkrellm
[05:59] <Pizbit> Yeah, that's what I'm looking at
[05:59] <Pizbit> Getting the hd temps was easy
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:00] <Pizbit> apt-get install hddtemp heh
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> i love apt-get
[06:00] <hectorvs> nomasteryoda: emerge is better :p
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:00] <Pizbit> emerge is sloow
[06:01] <hectorvs> too bad gentoo sucks for the desktop
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> but i don't like waiting on compile
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:01] <Pizbit> nomasteryoda: I'm guessing the 33C temp is the mobo
[06:01] <hectorvs> imagine how i felt after using gentoo for the laptop and then ubutu... hehe
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> ya
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> yea what a change
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> 5 times pressed enter... rebooted ... done
[06:02] <hectorvs> hehe
[06:02] <hectorvs> you know whats strange? that my wireless worked right after installation, no config necesary, but my ethernet is screwed
[06:03] <Pizbit> heh
[06:03] <Pizbit> Shit happens
[06:03] <hectorvs> network-admin detects my ethernet card as eth2 when it should put it as eth0...
[06:03] <hectorvs> i have to run "ifconfig eth0 up" and then dhclient
[06:03] <hectorvs> which sucks...
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:04] <hectorvs> u know how to fix this? :S
[06:04] <hectorvs> a config file for network-admin maybe or something?
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> hectorvs: look in /etc/
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> i have not had the pleasure of using wireless with ubuntu
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> ...yet
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> so i only have eth0
[06:05] <RuffianSoldier> hey izzle
[06:05] <hectorvs> :p
[06:05] <Pizbit> Duh, I  pushed something I had to do out of the scrollback buffer of gnome-terminal >.<
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> i did some kismet wardriving the other day... with suse
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> can't wait to get it going with ubuntu
[06:06] <LucidVisions> hey nomasteryoda: is airsnort any good?
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> have not tried that yet
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> like kismet ... just wish i had a gps
[06:07] <rye> I haven't seen anything mentioned about WPA support in Ubuntu.  Does anybody know if it's supported?
[06:07] <hectorvs> hmm, if it says "for more informatio, see interfaces(5)" where do i check it?
[06:07] <LucidVisions> that would be a nice setup indeed.
[06:08] <Pizbit> Hrm, what's the module lp for?
[06:08] <rye> My WRT54G which runs Linux supports WPA.
[06:08] <hectorvs> nvm... :p
[06:08] <thoreauputic> hectorvs: in man interfaces
[06:10] <Pizbit> thoreauputic: Crazy, http://web.wt.net/~billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.png
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> what kind of fan speeds
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> 3770
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> Pizbit: what does sensors return in console
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> is it the same?
[06:13] <Pizbit> Two fans, one 0 and one 4856(abotu what it should be)
[06:14] <Pizbit> I don't have a second fan plugge din so the 0 is fine;)
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> my fan runs about 2600
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> fans
[06:15] <Pizbit> BTW, that gkrellm image isn't mine;)
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:15] <Pizbit> My sensors http://www.pastebin.com/115383
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> cool
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> so does the tv card work
[06:16] <Pizbit> Yep
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> nice
[06:16] <Pizbit> Be danged why sensors looks at it though heh
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> did you have to do special configuration
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> the chipset is probed
[06:17] <Gmail> *week
[06:17] <hectorvs> which file do i modify to get a daemon (gdesklets) to start up automagically? =)
[06:18] <Pizbit> hectorvs: Computer -> desktop preferences -> sessions -> Add it to startup
[06:18] <hectorvs> Pizbit: you own =)
[06:18] <Pizbit> Be sure to make sure there's a session in the list though.
[06:21] <tolstoy> Folks, any recommendations for disk partition for ubuntu?
[06:22] <tolstoy> The docs seem pretty thin. Do I need /boot, like RH likes to do it?
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> in addition to another parition/distro?
[06:22] <Pizbit> Hey, this thread has good info http://forums.scotsnewsletter.com/index.php?s=568a43fc3fff041a898ced4f3501b65e&showtopic=503&st=0
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> i like to do mine that way
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> '/boot / swap
[06:22] <Pizbit> I just use one big /
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> Pizbit: yea
[06:23] <tolstoy> I've got two disks.  The 2nd, I'd like /home.  Not sure about the first.  Does /boot need to be bootable?
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> er, it should be set bootable if you put grub there
[06:23] <tolstoy> Hm. Okay, I'll do that.  The installer seems to assume I know just a bit more than I do. ;)
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> all mine work fine that way
[06:23] <tolstoy> *I* put grub there?  So, does grub go on /boot?
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> tolstoyyou can also just do one like Pizbit
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> that's where mine is
[06:24] <Pizbit> tolstoy: You can setup one disk as / and the other as /home
[06:24] <tolstoy> What's the dif between primary and logical?
[06:24] <bub> yamyamsnz siz
[06:24] <bub> korktum :((
[06:25] <tolstoy> So, first disk / is primary, right?  (Plus a swap partition.)
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:25] <tolstoy> and 2nd disk, all /home.  Primary also?
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> no
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> logical works fine for all else
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> primary for booot
[06:26] <tolstoy> Only the partition that boots is "primary" eh?
[06:26] <|trey|> tolstoy, can have up to 4 primaries... extended counts though...
[06:27] <|trey|> tolstoy, usually / swap and /boot plus extended for everything else...
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> |trey|: yea
[06:28] <|trey|> tolstoy, primary is bootable... logical is an extended...
[06:29] <tolstoy> okay, so does this work:
[06:29] <tolstoy>   <primary>  /
[06:29] <tolstoy>   <logical>  /swap
[06:29] <tolstoy>   <logical>  /home
[06:29] <tolstoy> ?
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> good
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> go for it
[06:30] <tolstoy> Why do some folks create a separate /boot partition?
[06:30] <|trey|> tolstoy, can do <primary> / /boot swap <logical> /home /usr /var
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> what is the command to change video resolution in ubuntu
[06:30] <Pizbit> nomasteryoda: alt+ctrl+ +/- ?:)
[06:31] <tolstoy> nomasteryoda, there's also a gui applet.
[06:31] <psyklops> why is it that when I do that, all it does is zoom in?
[06:31] <Pizbit> nomasteryoda: Computer -> System Configuration -> Screen Resolution
[06:31] <cuga> Hey, question, Im just customizing my gnome a bit now, and i deleted the top panel and build the bottom one with what I want, but i notice now that stuff that have 'system tray' icons, like gaim, dont show up anymore so if I close the buddy list, the process is still running but i have no way to get back to it, anybody have any idea how i cna tell apps to use the bottom panel?
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:31] <|trey|> nomasteryoda, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 remove lines listing "HorizSync" and "VertSync"
[06:31] <Pizbit> cuga: add in the notification area
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:31] <|trey|> Then do what Pizbit said.
[06:31] <psyklops> I change resolutions with ctrl alt + or - and I just see everything bigger (and it extends off screen)
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> i need to change the refresh rates
[06:31] <tolstoy> cuga, you have to add the "notification" applet.
[06:32] <Pizbit> nomasteryoda: Don't remove them, just make them what your monitor does
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> and i did it automagically ...basically
[06:32] <tolstoy> Oh, sorry Pizbit. ;)
[06:32] <cuga> ahh, thanks :)
[06:32] <|trey|> psyklops, that sounds like you configured virtual resolution...
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> last time
[06:32] <pepsi__> why doesnt evolution automatically mark stuff as junk?
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> had to reinstall due to HD failure
[06:32] <psyklops> ?
[06:32] <|trey|> Used to use that when my old monitor couldn't do 1024x800 on linux  :(
[06:32] <psyklops> never heard of virtual resolution
[06:32] <tolstoy> pepsi__, you have to intall spamassissin
[06:33] <|trey|> tolstoy, that really ought to be fixed by now though, jdub new about it early on...
[06:33] <marcushe> how can i change my right-click to control + click?
[06:33] <marcushe> im on a maclett
[06:33] <tolstoy> |trey|, what ought to be fixed.  Spamassassin not being installed by default?
[06:34] <|trey|> tolstoy, it *should* install by default...
[06:34] <tolstoy> ah
[06:35] <|trey|> Every other version of 2.6 has it, or just uses Mozilla Thunderbird...
[06:35] <pepsi__> so it should start working now that i installed it?
[06:35] <|trey|> eh, 2.8 I mean...
[06:35] <tolstoy> pepsi__, you can tell it's working if you see "learning spam" on the status bar when you mark junk.
[06:36] <marcushe> also, is there any way to browse for a smb printer and select it?
[06:38] <pepsi__> tolstoy, yeah i see that now, thx
[06:38] <nomasteryoda> man i love the Ubuntu startup theme music
[06:38] <Pizbit> Great innit?
[06:38] <psyklops> what? I never heard that
[06:39] <marcushe> oh well
[06:39] <Pizbit> marcushe: My best guess is Computer -> Network
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> marcushe, does
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> smb://
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> work
[06:40] <Pizbit> nomasteryoda: You should always say where to put that btw:)
[06:40] <marcushe> well i dont know what the address of the printer is so id like to browse for it
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:40] <Pizbit> marcushe: Yeah, try going via the computer -> network
[06:41] <marcushe> well that brings up servers
[06:41] <Pizbit> Click into them and see if it lists a printer
[06:42] <marcushe> nah not sein it
[06:42] <nomasteryoda> ah, much better video refresh
[06:42] <marcushe> but i must shout out - unbuntu is the best mac linux i've used yet
[06:42] <Pizbit> That's be out of ideas, I've never touched printers in linux.
[06:43] <marcushe> i've been waiting for yellow dog 4 to come out, but this blows it out of the water
[06:43] <marcushe> im out guys, see ya
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> ouch
[06:44] <Pizbit> Movie time
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> watching outerlimits
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> i asked aobut your tv card
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> cause i have an NTSC version
[06:47] <nomasteryoda> and it never worked in Mandrake or Suse
[06:47] <Pizbit> Mine does that too I believe
[06:47] <Pizbit> WHat chipset?
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> same as yours
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> saa
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> philips
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> it seems
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> asus brand
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> had to get a b848
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> but still have that one
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> will certainly try it in my ubuntu
[06:49] <Pizbit> nomasteryoda: Install tvtime and it should work, movie time anyway
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> cool
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> i use tvtime on this suse box
[06:50] <Steve2_> Hi.. I donwnloaded ubuntu 'warty' live cd & it found some external drives, but I can't mount/open any of the folders ther. can soemone help out pls?
[06:50] <tolstoy> Damn!  the installer didn't set me up with my max res, and doesn't show it in the screen resolution applet.  Hm.
[06:51] <tolstoy> Now, if I can just remember what it was, I can add it to Xconfig.
[06:53] <tolstoy> What's next down from 1600x1200?
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> yea...sometimes that info is very difficult to find
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> 1280x1024?
[06:53] <tolstoy> Nah, something with 1400 in it.  1480xsomething. Hm.
[06:55] <tolstoy> Hah!  Some specs say 1600x1200@85Hz.  But I saw only it at 75Hz, which is headache inducing.
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> eya
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:56] <jason_> is rythembox messed up for anyone else
[06:56] <jason_> ?
[06:56] <jason_> as far as trying to add songs to your library
[06:58] <elljay> holy crikies, the first debian based distro i like!  good show
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> elljay: my thoughts exactly
[07:02] <Gmail> elljay: but i guess we all like debian
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> =)
[07:02] <Gmail> because debian isnt debian based it is debian
[07:02] <hectorvs> hey guys, how do i get shadows beneath the windows and menus?
[07:03] <hectorvs> hmm
[07:04] <tolstoy> Anyone know the resolution between 1280x1024 and 1600x1200?
[07:04] <nanotech> hi, i'm a bit new to ubuntu, and linux and was wondering if someone could help me out on instaling software basics
[07:04] <psyklops> 1280x1024 isn't a normal res... is it?
[07:04] <tolstoy> psyklops, isn't that only available with the latest x.org release?
[07:04] <psyklops> 1280x960 is the traditional proportions
[07:04] <tolstoy> psyklops, yes, it is.
[07:05] <tolstoy> er, i mean the 1024 version. i mean, i see dozens of monitors set that way a day. crts, anyway.
[07:05] <nanotech> ok. a .tar file is...a "tar ball" compressed archive?
[07:05] <nevyn> it's not 4:3 ratio
[07:05] <psyklops> yeah... its widely used but not "normal" (whatever you'd call it, "Traditional" maybe?)
[07:06] <hectorvs> hmm... so how does one go about getting shadows under the windows?
[07:06] <nevyn> 1280x960 is what I used to run my dekstop at.
[07:07] <psyklops> hmm
[07:07] <nanotech> would i use the gunzip command un unpackage  a .tar file?
[07:07] <cuga> hey anybody have trouble with tvtime?
[07:07] <cuga> i can't control volume in the application :S
[07:07] <nanotech> if so, where do the conects extract to by default?
[07:07] <tolstoy> well, this ancient version of XFree didn't detect anything higher for my monitor other than the "recommended" resolution.
[07:07] <nanotech> contents
[07:07] <psyklops> they get extacted to current directory
[07:08] <psyklops> gunzip = gz
[07:08] <psyklops> not tar
[07:08] <nanotech> ah
[07:08] <nanotech> so how do i unpackage a tar file?
[07:08] <psyklops> "tar" :P
[07:08] <nanotech> :P
[07:08] <tolstoy> nanotech, if you're in nautilus, you can right click and "Extract to here".
[07:09] <nanotech> i know...but i want to learn the command line first
[07:09] <nanotech> well, second
[07:09] <tolstoy> oh! ;)
[07:09] <psyklops> very good idea
[07:09] <psyklops> ...
[07:09] <tolstoy> tar xvzf whatever.tgz
[07:09] <psyklops> I learned the hard way, because I could never get X working unless it was in the distro by default
[07:10] <nanotech> does tar unpack a .gz file?
[07:10] <tolstoy> Ah!  1400x1050.
[07:10] <arun--> hello all, how to check at what cpu speed is my laptop running now
[07:11] <tolstoy> noneus, gunzip will do that. but if it's a gzipped tar file, then tar can handle it.
[07:11] <cuga> cat /proc/cpuinfo is where i'd look
[07:11] <rvirani> how do I install fluxbox with synaptic
[07:11] <rvirani> its not there
[07:11] <rvirani> I tried a search..
[07:12] <psyklops> it might be in universe
[07:12] <psyklops> in fact I'm pretty sure of that...
[07:12] <rvirani> I added universe
[07:13] <psyklops> oh...
[07:13] <cuga> rvirani, its there, are you sure you apt-get update after uncommenting the universe lines?
[07:13] <rvirani> there is a fluxconf
[07:14] <rvirani> but no fluxbox
[07:14] <rvirani> cuga, yeah people told me to use synaptic but I did add the two universe...
[07:14] <cuga> try on cml , apt-cache search fluxbox
[07:14] <arun--> cpuinfo always says 598.201. but the model name is Intel.....pentium M .... 1600MHz
[07:14] <cuga> arun--, prolly means its stepping down
[07:15] <rvirani> cml?
[07:15] <cuga> rvirani, command line
[07:15] <cuga> terminal
[07:15] <rvirani> no fluxbox
[07:15] <cuga> do apt-get update
[07:15] <rvirani> yeah I like the command line better but they said synaptic, I didnt know synaptic made calls to apt
[07:15] <arun--> cuga: so if i do something cpu intensive, then it should go above that 598.201 ?
[07:15] <adoyretsamon> what is the first line of '/etc/apt/sources.list
[07:15] <rvirani> cuga, I did
[07:15] <adoyretsamon> or rather by default after an install
[07:16] <cuga> arun--, i'm not an intel speedstep guy so im not sure, but I would assume it would, try compiling a kernel see what it does
[07:16] <rvirani> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview powerpc Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted
[07:16] <arun--> cuga: thank you
[07:16] <adoyretsamon> cool
[07:16] <rvirani> thats the first line
[07:16] <adoyretsamon> thanks
[07:16] <psyklops> do something cpu intensive and checking again
[07:16] <psyklops> (my grammar is being good not)
[07:16] <rvirani> so anyways
[07:16] <rvirani> cuga, what do you recommend
[07:17] <cuga> rvirani, i'd take out those cdrom locations for starters
[07:17] <adoyretsamon> rvirani, what type of Mac are you using?
[07:17] <arun--> cuga: just starting the synaptic raised that figure to 1196.402 :)  thank you again
[07:17] <cuga> nice
[07:17] <rvirani> adoyretsamon, ibook
[07:17] <adoyretsamon> cool
[07:17] <rvirani> 12.1 1ghz
[07:18] <adoyretsamon> i have old powerbook
[07:18] <adoyretsamon> 200mhz
[07:18] <cuga> i'd love an ibook
[07:18] <rvirani> with ubuntu I cant get my right click to map
[07:18] <adoyretsamon> 48mb ram
[07:18] <nanotech> ok, i'm getting these "install recursive" errors...when i run make and make install
[07:18] <rvirani> it doesnt work
[07:18] <rvirani> cuga, its pretty nice
[07:18] <adoyretsamon> running yellowdog
[07:18] <rvirani> I also have a dell laptop
[07:18] <adoyretsamon> pos
[07:18] <Dragoon|Matt> will Wine work on Ubuntu?
[07:18] <adoyretsamon> i use a dell lt too
[07:18] <nanotech> ir run them with the sudo command...so that allieviates all the permissions probs
[07:18] <rvirani> yellow dog heh, I stay away from anything that is rpm based.
[07:18] <rvirani> cuga, soo .... fluxbox....
[07:19] <rvirani> my dell is three times faster than my ibook :D
[07:19] <tolstoy> rpm based isn't that bad, now that they have apt-get, or yum.
[07:19] <cuga> rvirani, put these in your sources.list
[07:19] <adoyretsamon> rvirani, it was the only Linux i could get to work in under 48mb
[07:19] <cuga> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[07:19] <cuga> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[07:19] <rvirani> I got the ibook cause of the ... form factor
[07:19] <cuga> and also
[07:19] <arun--> anybody got their ati mobility radeon 7500 work with the binay fglrx driver? currently my card runs on the radeon driver provided by xfree86 and it supports 3 d well, (tux racer runs fine)
[07:19] <rvirani> adoyretsamon, ubuntu wont isntall
[07:19] <adoyretsamon> have not had time to try
[07:19] <rvirani> adoyretsamon, you could probably do gentoo
[07:19] <adoyretsamon> but certainly will
[07:19] <cuga>  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[07:19] <cuga>  deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[07:19] <adoyretsamon> yea
[07:19] <cuga> and for security updates, add
[07:19] <adoyretsamon> system is sloooooowwww
[07:19] <cuga> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[07:19] <cuga> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[07:20] <cuga> if you dont already have em all
[07:20] <cuga> and comment out the cdrom lines
[07:20] <rvirani> ccug thanks dude
[07:20] <nanotech> can someone plz help? what are these install recursive errors when i try to run make install?
[07:20] <rvirani> cuga, still nothing
[07:21] <rvirani> oh
[07:21] <rvirani> is that a new line?
[07:21] <rvirani> cuga, can you just pm me
[07:21] <rvirani> or email me the file
[07:21] <rvirani> thanx cuga
[07:21] <nanotech> i serious about learning  how to install shit on linux...but i'm in the dark...
[07:22] <Dragoon|Matt> Anyone know if Wine will work with Ubuntu?
[07:22] <adoyretsamon> nanotech, using synaptic would be easy for you
[07:22] <nanotech> it's not in the universe
[07:22] <nanotech> and i don't want to rely on it
[07:23] <elljay> cuga; what's the debian apt source for things like xine , etc?
[07:23] <elljay> anyone know if i'm running in amd64 mode if 32bit binaries will function?
[07:24] <nevyn> elljay: executables yes.. kernel modules no.
[07:24] <kuru> ok, soo... i'm on debian unstable. Going to ubuntu would be going back, not ahead, right?
[07:24] <cuga> elljay, if you just uncomment the 2 lines that are for universe, you have access to the unstable snapshot of debian when warty was released, im sure it'll have what you looking for
[07:24] <kuru> in terms of versions of packages, etc.
[07:25] <nanotech> what does "make[3] : *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop." mean?
[07:25] <arun--> elljay: synaptix is much easier
[07:25] <arun--> try it
[07:25] <kuru> and btw, ubuntu.. i am very impressed.
[07:25] <kuru> finally, someone figured out what to do with the raw power of debian.
[07:25] <arun--> ubuntu is great, except for the radeon drivers, but that is not ubuntus fault
[07:26] <kuru> well, my experience is simple.
[07:26] <cuga> arun--, I got the ati drivers workign fine
[07:26] <cuga> getting pretty good framerate
[07:26] <kuru> I had winxp on the reception's desk
[07:26] <arun--> cuga: what is your card model?
[07:26] <cuga> 9600XT
[07:26] <adoyretsamon> my ati with 64mb works great
[07:26] <kuru> i said, screw this, and burned the ubuntu iso
[07:26] <kuru> installed.
[07:26] <adoyretsamon> i can play tuxracer fine
[07:26] <adoyretsamon> =)
[07:27] <kuru> got gnome running, got the hp deskjet 3350 working, on the network. updated security updates.
[07:27] <arun--> cuga: anyidea about mobility 7500? i tried but when i did the modrpobe fglrx, it complained cannot load, no such device or something like it
[07:27] <kuru> downloaded some extra fonts for the guy sitting there reading his news in malayalam
[07:27] <kuru> done.
[07:27] <kuru> didn't really have to do anything
[07:27] <cuga> arun--, thought the 7500's were supported by the kernel drivers now ? i might be mistaken
[07:28] <arun--> yes it is, the radeon drivers,
[07:28] <cuga> have you tryed thos? or are you just trying the official ati's?
[07:28] <arun--> cuga: but the problem is the GPU is always running at full power, so even if i open a couple of browsers, the fan starts, cos the GPU runs at full power
[07:29] <LucidVisions> kuru: ive been using deb/unstable for the past 2 years,and im almost done downloading ubuntu,im gonna install in a while and im already drooling
[07:29] <LucidVisions> what made you switch?
[07:30] <cuga> my tuxracer has no sound ?!!, says no available audio device but all other apps are using sound fine... hrmmm
[07:31] <arun--> cuga: i am currently running under radeonfb.ko module without much problems, except it runs in full throttle and my fan is constatnly running, i thought if i can switch to the fglrx driver to test the performance
[07:31] <arun--> cuga: and test the fan
[07:32] <cuga> arun--, ahh makes sense
[07:32] <cuga> arun--, yeah im definatly going nvidia next vid card
[07:33] <arun--> cuga: the ati drivers are ok for windows, but totally sux in linux, may get better, but ati doesnt support the open source world much i guess
[07:33] <arun--> cuga: but i also read somewhere that the Xorg server has better support for ati cards, i am not sure,
[07:34] <arun--> cuga: i am not an expert to install xorg and switch
[07:34] <cuga> arun--, well they made a statement that they are pushing their linux driver efforts to the limit now, they wanna get better drivers, i expect by start of next year they'll have a solid set out
[07:34] <arun--> cuga: may be i will wait untill ubuntu releases the next oficial version for xorg and may be a mini howto to switch from xfree :)
[07:35] <cuga> well next release will be built on xorg from what I understand so won't be hard at all ;)
[07:35] <arun--> cuga: hopefully they do :) i just the thinkpad 10 months ago, i dont want to switch to another lappy because of the video card
[07:36] <cuga> arun--, yeah, would suck bigtime
[07:37] <rvirani> Anyone know how to get showkeys to return a number instead of hex, I need to keymap my second and third mouse buttons to the keyboard
[07:38] <rvirani> bbias
[07:38] <rvirani> hold replies pls
[07:41] <cuga> anybody know how i can get a version of mplayer that will run on mplayer?
[07:42] <cuga> err i mean play on ubuntu
[07:42] <cuga> ones for sid now have alot of deps not in warty
[07:43] <elljay> doh my a64 ubuntu install keeps freezing
[07:43] <elljay> while i'm listening to audio
[07:43] <elljay> stupid bleeding edge software
[07:43] <elljay> i blame alsa ! ;)
[07:54] <Erix> hi
[07:54] <tolstoy> time and date settings says to "enable ntp", but doesn't say how.
[07:55] <cuga> Hey, weird thing going on with my alsa, I have no /dev/mixer ... seems odd, apps like mplayer spit out warnings about it not being there all the time, what installs dev/mixer?
[07:56] <tolstoy> Is there something in particular I have to install for the applet to enable NTP support?
[07:56] <tolstoy> ntpdate is there, but the applet doesn't seem to recognize it.
[07:56] <aarnem> Hi all.
[07:57] <Dragoon|Matt> Anyone know anything about installing WINE on ubuntu?
[07:58] <thoreauputic> tolstoy, try sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart
[07:58] <arun--> cuga: i dont think all sound cards support "mixer"
[07:58] <cuga> arun--, it was their when i was on deb
[07:58] <thoreauputic> tolstoy, and do you have default ntpdate servers set up?
[07:58] <cuga> arun--, using same kernel config as when i was on deb
[07:58] <tolstoy> thoreauputic, it says "synchronizing", but I still can't click the checkbox in the applet.
[07:59] <tolstoy> thoreauputic, I've just got "ntp" and "ntpdate" installed.  Not, say, "ntp-simple".
[07:59] <arun--> cuga: when you do a lsmod do you see this snd_mixer_oss
[08:00] <thoreauputic> tolstoy, hmm - I don't really know then - I just use ntpdate from a terminal without the daemon, and alias it to "t" (lazy I guess)
[08:00] <cuga> arun--, yep
[08:00] <tolstoy> thoreauputic, and on my laptop, I've got ntp-simple, and ntp-server, which was a flail for the first time this didn't work.  Works on the laptop now, though.
[08:01] <aarnem> I upgraded from debian Woody to ubuntu yesterday. Most of things worked, but i have some package problem with hal. I get following error during all kind of package manipulations.  Setting up hal (0.2.98-1ubuntu9) ...
[08:01] <aarnem>  * Restarting system message bus...
[08:01] <aarnem> run-parts: unrecognized option `-a'
[08:01] <aarnem> Try `run-parts --help' for more information.
[08:01] <aarnem> invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus-1, action "restart" failed.
[08:01] <tolstoy> thoreauputic, Ah. Don't set your gnome-panel clock to do it for you (ie, even lazier)!
[08:01] <aarnem> dpkg: error processing hal (--configure):
[08:01] <aarnem>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[08:01] <aarnem> Can you help me out with that?
[08:01] <thoreauputic> tolstoy, you might need to specify some IPs for it to look for? Public ntp servers?
[08:01] <tolstoy> thoreauputic, that's what you do *after* to click the synchronize checkbox.  Do you have it there on your panel?
[08:02] <thoreauputic> tolstoy, I'm on debian and using fluxbox :/
[08:02] <tolstoy> ah
[08:02] <thoreauputic> sorry
[08:02] <cuga> i have /dev/mixer now and the permissons are right on it, but when apps try and use it, they spit out this
[08:02] <cuga> ALSA lib control.c:654:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL /dev/mixer 89%
[08:02] <cuga> alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: No such file or directory
[08:02] <arun--> cuga: check the permisions on /dev/mixer
[08:03] <cuga> arun--, i get 777 to test, same thing
[08:03] <cuga> get =gave
[08:04] <tolstoy> thoreauputic, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1418
[08:05] <thoreauputic> tolstoy, taking forever to  load here
[08:06] <stuNNed> how do i list contenets of an installed .deb?
[08:06] <tolstoy> well, in a nutshell, the developers decided there should be no listeners by default. You have to install ntp-simple.
[08:07] <tolstoy> dpkg -c <file>, I think.
[08:07] <thoreauputic> tolstoy, I see
[08:07] <tolstoy> stuNNed, or do you mean one that's already installed?
[08:07] <stuNNed> tolstoy, yes
[08:07] <cuga> ahh my problem is a bug in mplayer from what i gather googling, fixed in cvs
[08:08] <tolstoy> stuNNed, hm. Maybe dpkg -L <deb-name>
[08:08] <cuga> hrmm... i have no /dev/dsp either...
[08:09] <tolstoy> stuNNed, another useful one: given a file on your system, which package does it belong to?  dpkg -S /path/to/file
[08:10] <stuNNed> tolstoy, ok, appreciate it
[08:10] <cuga> there we go
[08:10] <cuga> forgot to modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[08:14] <cuga> so far im liking ubuntu
[08:15] <cuga> what is the purpose of /srv thos?
[08:15] <mburns> Ubuntu has a much cleaner feel to it.  There is simply no standard Linux binary package. As a result, source based distros like Gentoo update their repos sooner because it doesn't require as much work. Source is source."
 Yes Debian, you are losing people to Gentoo. But... Why is this happening? Because you are old, and your stable tree is older than me. We have Portage, we have a source compilation unstable version. We are the cutting edge, and Debian has to realize this. There is a hierarchery of distributions, and right now Gentoo is at the top. There will always be Slackware, because it's always been there. Debian will remain in second place to the l
[08:20] <Gmail> eading distro, and they'll always be wondering: "Why? Why are we losing users to (insert distro name here)?" Because you don't innovate. Sure, you're good. But theres usually something better. Live with it."
[08:21] <jdub> dudes
[08:21] <jdub> off-topic stuff elsewhere please
[08:21] <Gmail> debian is losing people to ubuntu so is: gentoo, fedora, winblows, manbrake..... sorry
[08:21] <jason_> errr
[08:21] <Gmail> yes?
[08:21] <jason_> why doesn't ubuntu or debian use .xinitrc
[08:21] <jason_> files
[08:22] <Rene_S> Its all Linux so what does it matter ?
[08:22] <mburns> .xinitrc ?
[08:22] <thoreauputic> jason_: use .xsession
[08:22] <jason_> kk
[08:22] <jason_> ty
[08:22] <jdub> jason_: depends on which method you're using to start X, try .xinitrc or .xsession (i generally symlinked back when I used those)
[08:22] <mburns> I want to see an ncurses based distro.
[08:23] <jason_> there is nothing in my .xsession
[08:23] <jason_> in my home dir
[08:23] <mburns> or a way to boot into an ncurses text user interface similar to a Gnome-like GUI
[08:23] <jason_> I want to add in the follow
[08:23] <thoreauputic> jason_: no, you have to make it yourself, if that's how you startx
[08:23] <jason_> /usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5"
[08:24] <Dragoon|Matt> how do I get wine on ubuntu?  or will it even work?
[08:24] <jason_> add the universe repository
[08:24] <jason_> download it via apt
[08:24] <Dragoon|Matt> how do I add the universe repository? new to linux
[08:24] <iz> reomve the # in the sources.list
[08:25] <jason_> it will tell you what to do in the sources.list file in /etc/apt/
[08:25] <iz> sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:25] <jason_> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:25] <iz> save with :wq
[08:25] <jason_> or what he said
[08:25] <jason_> nano is easier
[08:26] <tolstoy> Dragoon|Matt, Or use synaptic and find the "repositories" tab.
[08:26] <thoreauputic> iz: he's new to linux - vi will intimidate him
[08:26] <iz> jason_, :)
[08:26] <iz> thoreauputic, yup your right
[08:27] <tolstoy> Interesting. I copied my old .evolution to the new install, and evolution still prompts me for account info. Hm.
[08:28] <tolstoy> And dies after i select my time zone.
[08:30] <Gmail> ohhh this is a must and the last one
[08:30] <Gmail> "I know how much everyone here loves optimized software. This is why I was surprised to read today on the GNOME mailing list that Ubuntu is taking advantage of some optimization opportunities that I think Gentoo is missing out on."
[08:31] <stuNNed> tolstoy, `apt-get remove evolution && apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird` ? ;)
[08:32] <thoreauputic> Gmail:  gentoosmite me
[08:32] <thoreauputic> * dpkg spends 6 weeks recompiling thoreauputic, and when it's all done, thoreauputic runs 0.4% faster than previously
[08:32] <tolstoy> stuNNed, well, that's one solution. but I like the calender.  Weird that it doesn't work.  Works on my work workstation.
[08:33] <Gmail> thoreauputic: but from run daily i run 75% faster so in your face
[08:33] <Gmail> *thats 75% faster daily from the day before
[08:34] <stuNNed> tolstoy, tried mozilla sunbird calendaring project?  quite new but i hear has promise
[08:35] <tolstoy> stuNNed, yeap, tried it.
[08:35] <stuNNed> tolstoy, how'd it go?
[08:35] <tolstoy> I like that I can shut down evo, and STILL be reminded of my appts.
[08:35] <tolstoy> Well, it worked fine, I guess.  I loaded it up on ICS stuff from the web. Fun.
[08:36] <sertmann> quick question to be on the safe side; if i've compiled a custom kernel-package (to include bootsplash & intify) and made a deb package with "make-kpkg buildpackage -rev Custom.1 kernel_image" will it overwrite the old one if/when i install it?
[08:37] <sertmann> both new and old are <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:41] <Rachet> hi
[08:41] <elmaya> any1 knows why xmms never remembers my skin selection ?
[08:42] <Gmail> look gentoo new home page: http://www.gentoo.org/images/wwwcontest/contest1_front.png and to think they care about speed
[08:42] <Rachet> i downloaded xvid, but how do i install it ? cant find it on synaptic
[08:42] <Rachet> some help me find it =)
[08:42] <jdub> Gmail: dude, no more. off-topic stuff elsewhere.
[08:43] <Gmail> with all that flash crap that site will take 10min to render in a gentoo-firefox
[08:43] <Gmail> sorry
[08:43] <Rachet> help me please ?
[08:43] <Rachet> its just  a little thing
[08:43] <thoreauputic> Gmail: are you obsessive at all  ? ;)
[08:44] <Rachet> hi some one ?
[08:44] <magneto> gmail - i just left gentoo for ubuntu  but i think youre exaggerating
[08:44] <magneto> hey rachet
[08:44] <cuga> Rachet, have you tryed downloading w32codecs?
[08:44] <Rachet> but its xvid for linux i think
[08:45] <magneto> rachet - go to /etc/apt/sources.list and enable universe
[08:45] <Rachet> i i got universe but i can do it
[08:46] <tolstoy> don't you have to add another repo to get the w32codecs?  It's on the wiki somewhere.
[08:46] <magneto> also try aptget.org
[08:46] <cuga> nope w32codecs are in universal
[08:46] <cuga> i just got them like 10 minutes ago
[08:46] <Rachet> how do i enable universal ?
[08:47] <cuga> err maybe not , i had already added a source... disregard what i said, it prolly came from other source
[08:47] <tolstoy> hm. when I apt-cache search w32codecs: nothing.
[08:47] <tolstoy> yeah.
[08:47] <magneto> add universal to the ubuntu.org lines in sources.list
[08:47] <tolstoy> Rachet, you can do it in synaptic.  Just click the checkbox from the repostories menu.
[08:48] <Rachet> kk tell me
[08:48] <stuNNed> magneto, hi, think it's 'universe', no?
[08:48] <magneto> my bad
[08:49] <Rachet> now i got universe
[08:49] <stuNNed> i.e. something like: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[08:49] <Rachet> where is xvid
[08:49] <jason_> you need w32codecs
[08:49] <Rachet> where is that ?
[08:49] <magneto> rachet- in synaptics - go to the settings menu
[08:49] <jason_> you need an extra repository
[08:49] <Gmail> thoreauputic: hu? magneto: exaggerating?
[08:50] <jason_> the address is in the wiki
[08:50] <Rachet> Magneto : its done i got universe
[08:50] <jason_> no
[08:50] <jason_> it isnt in universe
[08:50] <Rachet> i didnt say that
[08:50] <Rachet> i just said that i got it
[08:50] <stuNNed> multiverse ?
[08:51] <jason_> no you need the url
[08:51] <jason_> sec Ill get it
[08:51] <tolstoy> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:51] <magneto> ok rachet:  go here http://www1.apt-get.org/index.php?query=w32&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386
[08:52] <magneto> rachet: you can add this to your sources list        deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[08:52] <stuNNed> isn't alot of that stuff now in 'multiverse' repo?
[08:53] <cuga> magneto, unstable be better since unstable is what ubuntu is based on
[08:53] <Rachet> i add this : ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/   ??
[08:54] <magneto> cuga - the codecs are probably the same - no?
[08:54] <cuga> probably, but never know
[08:54] <cuga> nerim.net has unstable branch too so couldn't hurt
[08:54] <Rachet> ok thn ?
[08:55] <magneto> rachet: then   apt-get install w32codecs
[08:56] <Rachet> i dont have w32codecs
[08:56] <Xethorn> hi
[08:58] <cenerentola> ciao
[08:59] <cenerentola> i've got a problem with grub...
[08:59] <Nebu> Whenever I open a file with totem movie player, it crashes. Can anyone help me with this?
[08:59] <Xethorn> explain
[08:59] <cenerentola> it doesnt recognize one distribution...
[08:59] <michael315> what r u opening
[08:59] <Nebu> I've tried mp3s, mpgs, WMV. They all cause it to crash.
[09:00] <Nebu> I tried opening the same mp3 with XMMS and it works fine there. I don't have a different movie player to test the other files with.
[09:00] <cenerentola> xethorn: ive got one warty on /dev/hda7 [the ones not recognized]  and an hoary on /hda8
[09:01] <Xethorn> strange ...
[09:01] <cenerentola> the hoary has got is /boot partition... the warty doesnt
[09:02] <cenerentola> moreover the hoary now is not collaborating: gdm doesnt work
[09:02] <tolstoy> man, evolution is totally messed up in hoary.
[09:02] <michael315> Nebu: I see the prob. Tried the same ones with xine, they play fine. I have the win32 codecs installed also. Maybe try another?
[09:03] <Nebu> Michael: I didn't understand. You want me to try another what?
[09:03] <cenerentola> and it keeps trying to run it so its a never ending loop of x-starting-gdm crashing/x-crashing/x-restarting
[09:04] <cenerentola> how can i stop the x server?
[09:04] <cenerentola> xethorn: what should i use in the grub menu.lst
[09:05] <cenerentola> and how about stopping the x server?
[09:07] <Xethorn> @Nebu : tried > apt-get install totem-xine
[09:08] <Nebu> Xethorn: I get an error message (which I will copy in a moment)
[09:08] <Nebu> Xethorn: Package totem-xine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:08] <Nebu> Xethorn: This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:08] <Nebu> is only available from another source
[09:08] <Xethorn> strange
[09:08] <Xethorn> hum
[09:09] <michael315> Is universe enabled in your sources?
[09:09] <Nebu> Michael: I don't know how to find out.
[09:09] <Xethorn> if they are any others solutions, read that http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-130623.html and try to compile mplayer
[09:10] <iz> Nebu, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:10] <iz> and remove the #
[09:10] <michael315> then run apt-get update & then try for xine xine-ui
[09:10] <iz> deFrysk, morguh
[09:11] <Nebu> michael: I'd type "apt-get install xine xine-ui"?
[09:11] <deFrysk> mogh
[09:12] <cenerentola> iz: can you help me with grub
[09:12] <cenerentola> defrysk: and you?
[09:13] <iz> cenerentola, whats the problem?
[09:13] <cenerentola> ive installed hoary and now ivent got the other warty grub's entry anymore
[09:14] <cenerentola> im trying to correct grub0s menu.lst by hand but it says image not found... or sth like that
[09:14] <iz> how do you do that?
[09:14] <cenerentola> from the shell...
[09:14] <iz> by editing menu.lst?
[09:14] <cenerentola> yes
[09:14] <cenerentola> mind that hoary's x server's not working
[09:14] <iz> how many hd's?
[09:14] <cenerentola> 1
[09:15] <iz> huh
[09:15] <michael315> Nebu: yes
[09:15] <iz> and it will not boot?
[09:15] <cenerentola> tell me the right string i should use...
[09:15] <Nebu> When I try to install totem-xine, it says it has to remove ubuntu-desktop as part of the process. That sort of sounds dangerous to me...
[09:15] <cenerentola> warty's on hda7
[09:15] <deFrysk> Nebu, its not afaIk
[09:15] <cenerentola> hoary's on hda8 and its boot should be on hda9
[09:15] <Pizbit> Nebu: It's fine
[09:16] <cenerentola> pizbit: thk god ure here..
[09:16] <Pizbit> Which one?
[09:16] <cenerentola> iz: any clue?
[09:16] <iz> moment
[09:16] <cenerentola> roman?
[09:16] <cenerentola> zeus?
[09:16] <iz> i386?
[09:16] <michael315> Its just a small package, I have done that, no damage
[09:16] <cenerentola> iz: yes
[09:17] <dougsk> what is being used for startup to get the pretty [ok]  messages?
[09:17] <iz> im running the amd64 version
[09:17] <cenerentola> the hd handling should be quite the same
[09:17] <iz> sure
[09:18] <iz> can your paste your menu.lst in a private msg
[09:18] <cenerentola> no.. im not on that computer
[09:18] <iz> :)
[09:18] <cenerentola> i told you that the gui's not working
[09:19] <iz> use mcedit
[09:19] <cenerentola> iz: if you tell how can i stop the xserver from trying to start ill
[09:19] <iz> apt-get install mc
[09:19] <iz> kill gdm
[09:19] <tolstoy> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.  this evolution bomb is BAD BAD BAD! ;--)
[09:19] <iz> alt f2
[09:19] <iz> whgen you in a shell then ps -A
[09:19] <iz> and kill gdm
[09:19] <cenerentola> yeah...
[09:20] <cenerentola> if ill be put in a shell...
[09:20] <cenerentola> alt f3
[09:21] <cenerentola> ...alt f2 doesnt work
[09:21] <iz> sorry
[09:21] <dougsk> cenerentola, I think it's missing a ctrl
[09:21] <iz> ctrl alt f2
[09:22] <Pizbit> tolstoy: Evolution bomb?
[09:22] <Nebu> Okay, totem isn't crashing anymore, but it's just displaying a blue screen instead of the video image. Where can I go for some codecs?
[09:23] <Pizbit> Nebu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:23] <deFrysk> Nebu, sometimes shutting totem down and restarting it helps
[09:23] <Pizbit> Skip down to the questionable packages part
[09:23] <tolstoy> Pizbit, i updated to hoary *before* starting evo for the first time, now I can't get past account set up, even when I copy .evolution from my old installation.
[09:23] <Pizbit> Ah
[09:23] <Pizbit> Silly people trying hoary so soon
[09:24] <deFrysk> Pizbit, hoary runs fine here ;)
[09:24] <Pizbit> deFrysk: The amount of people with problems, aye aye aye:)
[09:24] <tolstoy> Well, I'm running it on another machine and it works.
[09:24] <tolstoy> Except on that machine, I already had a working evolution with warty.
[09:25] <Xethorn> somebody have ever try gdesklets under ubuntu ?
[09:25] <cenerentola> xethorn: they work greatly
[09:26] <michael315> Nebu http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/codecs.html I usually download the "all"
[09:26] <Xethorn> it gives me an error <_<
[09:26] <Xethorn> did you compile or used the .deb ?
[09:26] <Xethorn> * by apt
[09:26] <Pizbit> apt-get
[09:27] <Xethorn> strange
[09:27] <Xethorn> you just put : apt-get install gdesklets ?
[09:27] <Pizbit> michael315: The restricted formats shows how to get the w32codecs package
[09:27] <Pizbit> Xethorn: Did you get the data package too?
[09:27] <linux_galore> ubuntu is getting there but its not perfect yet also they have daily iso releases so if you post a bug its usually fixed within a week
[09:27] <Pizbit> Xethorn: You know how they work right?
[09:27] <Xethorn> no :(
[09:28] <Xethorn> i installed it for the first time
[09:28] <Xethorn> and when i tried to start it
[09:28] <Xethorn> nothing happend
[09:28] <Xethorn> but i try again
[09:28] <cenerentola> iz:
[09:28] <cenerentola> im bacl
[09:29] <cenerentola> ...back
[09:29] <Xethorn> well
[09:29] <cenerentola> tell me what you want to hear
[09:29] <Xethorn> 09:27:25) Vinc' - /!\ Le dimanche je bosse /!\: enfin il est install, mais il demarre pas correctement
[09:29] <Xethorn> (09:27:31) Vinc' - /!\ Le dimanche je bosse /!\: faudra que je demande sur des forums
[09:29] <Pizbit> Xethorn: I'm pasting something into a link, I'll show ya
[09:29] <Xethorn> i'm not the one who have a prob with it
[09:29] <linux_galore> Ive got ubuntu working fine on my old P3 600 machine... makes me want to cry after I forked out for a new P4
[09:29] <Xethorn> thanks Pizbit
[09:30] <Pizbit> http://www.pastebin.com/115406
[09:30] <frederik> linux_galore: I'm impressed how "fast" it is on this PIII 500
[09:30] <frederik> linux_galore: I still don't really know if it's GNOME that got faster or ...
[09:30] <linux_galore> frederik: PIII 600  works fine  no lag really
[09:30] <Pizbit> Gnome has a bit
[09:30] <Xethorn> thanks :)
[09:31] <Xethorn> i try
[09:31] <Pizbit> Ahh, tv time:)
[09:31] <Pizbit> Xethorn: Makes sense now?
[09:31] <Xethorn> no
[09:31] <Xethorn> i'm go to :p
[09:31] <frederik> But Firefox is a problem
[09:31] <Pizbit> Xethorn: You have to add the .Display files first
[09:31] <frederik> Firefox is by far too slow
[09:31] <linux_galore> frederik: yeah Ive got a pile of PIII machines might put Ubuntu on them all and hand them to the staff
[09:31] <Pizbit> Or afterwards, but either way you gota add them before you see anything
[09:31] <Xethorn> ok
[09:31] <Pizbit> Read my links, anyway *gone*
[09:32] <frederik> I tried to built galeon using the webcore port from the tla archive, but it didn't work and I didn't feel like hacking around
[09:32] <linux_galore> anyone tried Ubuntu on a PII got a PII laptop
[09:33] <frederik> but the simple example browser worked fine
[09:33] <mdz> linux_galore: yes
[09:33] <frederik> linux_galore: I'd suppose memory would be more of a limit than CPU power?!
[09:34] <Nebu> Okay, it looks like movie playing works now. Thanks a lot!
[09:35] <frederik> linux_galore: I have 320 MB of RAM in this P3-box, but most PCs from that time (it's about five years old) will have about 128 MB
[09:35] <linux_galore> frederik: well I have 3 of the things two not working and the third one I fixed by swapping the keyboard over from one of the faulty units I have also swapped all the ram out from the other laptops and it now has 192mb
[09:36] <linux_galore> should be enough to try ubuntu
[09:37] <stuNNed> linux_galore, can always http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LowEndSystemSupport
[09:38] <linux_galore> lol @ 192mb being low end
[09:39] <linux_galore> all the drone machines we now buy at work are 512mb now..
[09:39] <magneto> frederik: i got firefox 1.0pre cuz 0.93 was crashing alot on me
[09:40] <linux_galore> gives 9 thumbs up out of 10 fore firefox
[09:40] <magneto> its fast - im p4 2ghz with 256mb ram
[09:41] <linux_galore> I out xfce4 on a P4 2.4ghz  funny to watch it load in 3 seconds
[09:41] <linux_galore> put*
[09:41] <magneto> if u want faster apt-get install links
[09:41] <magneto> linux_galore: try openbox lol
[09:41] <magneto> 1 second
[09:42] <magneto> i thought x crashed at first
[09:42] <magneto> but i right clicked and got a menu
[09:42] <frederik> magneto: hehe, links can't really compete with firefox ;)
[09:42] <linux_galore> I tried BB on a P3 1.1Ghz  boots to the desktop in a fraction of the time it takes to start X itself...its pretty funny all the apps work like they have a turbo on them
[09:42] <magneto> it sure can when u dont have a video card lol
[09:42] <lucas_> cenerentola: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst by hand and re-add the missing entry
[09:42] <linux_galore> BB = black box
[09:43] <frederik> magneto: I put quite some hope into that webcore porting effort. It still wouldn't give a browser for lowend systems, but at least I wouldn't think my net connection's to slow when using this computer
[09:43] <magneto> linux_galore - i just started with ubuntu and performance wise this beats the hell out of emerging openoffice for 14 hours etc gnome kde
[09:44] <magneto> frederik compile an old netscape or mozilla?
[09:44] <frederik> magneto: hehe, it's not >that< bad
[09:45] <linux_galore> magneto: yeah I tried building a custom version of OOo with kde widgets took me over 5 hours on a Dual Xeon 1.4Ghz..last time I will do that
[09:45] <frederik> magneto: old mozilla versions where even slower and an old netscape wouldn't render most pages right
[09:45] <linux_galore> Ive noticed mozilla has come a long way in the last 3 years
[09:45] <magneto> linux_galore: ive been using gentoo- my system had some bugs so during the install i hit some errors and changed to ubuntu
[09:46] <frederik> magneto: normally I was using elinks for viewing all the news pages etc I was visiting normally
[09:46] <frederik> magneto: the ubuntu installation here is pretty "fresh", maybe I should install elinks ....
[09:46] <magneto> frederik: hdparm? kernel? prelink?
[09:47] <linux_galore> I like the Ubuntu UI/Theme its very clean.......Im not even changing anything thats a first for me i usually change everything
[09:47] <tolstoy> Is there a way to install an earlier package using apt-get?
[09:47] <magneto> linux_galore: remember last time netscape stole IE marketshare?
[09:47] <frederik> magneto: yeah, I changed some settings with hdparm, but I didn't get to compile a new kernel yet and I forgot about using prelinking
[09:47] <frederik> magneto: which actually gave me some pretty good results on another machine, so I should really go with it, thanks
[09:47] <magneto> prelink mozilla should be lightning
[09:47] <linux_galore> magneto: sheeesh think I was still using Turbo Pascal
[09:47] <linux_galore> back then lol
[09:47] <magneto> and shouldnt take that long either
[09:48] <magneto> lol
[09:48] <magneto> 1996 1997
[09:48] <magneto> im gettin old
[09:48] <frederik> the hdparm settings after a fresh install were horrible
[09:48] <linux_galore> to be honest all I remember of 95-99 was damn it crashed reboot..........damn it crashed reboot
[09:49] <magneto> frederik- compiling drivers into your kernel and ck sources will speed up your system too
[09:49] <stuNNed> anyone tried icewm that ships with ubuntu?
[09:49] <magneto> lol
[09:49] <magneto> na stunned- i installed openbox but i hadnt got a chance to use it
[09:50] <stuNNed> magneto, wonder if they have the menus setup already
[09:50] <magneto> 95-99 i went from not knowing sh!t to working in IT
[09:50] <frederik> and I don't really understand why ubuntu does install a full blown MTA
[09:50] <magneto> stunned: probably not
[09:50] <magneto> maybe a default
[09:50] <linux_galore> Ive never liked icewm and i tried really hard to like it
[09:51] <stuNNed> sure is popular or gets alot of press, one or the two
[09:51] <magneto> i like openbox but i dig gnome and its so fast now i might stick with gnome2.8
[09:51] <linux_galore> frederik: average joe blow cant manage a full blown MTA
[09:51] <b_e_n_z> frederik, postfix is a replacement for the buggy sendmail
[09:52] <linux_galore> also evolution is going the way of becoming a full blown MTA with a UI
[09:52] <magneto> i think they do it for the internal mail usage for sudo etc
[09:52] <frederik> b_e_n_z: yeah, right, but why have any full MTA on a desktop-centric system?
[09:52] <magneto> evolution is the size of a few full blown things
[09:52] <linux_galore> lol
[09:52] <linux_galore> <-- uses mutt
[09:52] <frederik> linux_galore: me too
[09:52] <tolstoy> magneto, and it doesn't work in hoary! ;)
[09:53] <b_e_n_z> frederik, inheritance from debian?
[09:53] <Elwood> i have added a module in my kernel config..i need a full recompile or just a make modules?
[09:53] <magneto> exactly frederik - but ubuntu has an excuse - they are just beginning
[09:53] <linux_galore> mutt = allows you to do evil things to email mwahahah
[09:53] <frederik> b_e_n_z: yes, right, but I think that should really change
[09:53] <jdub> frederik: because when the system sends mail, it needs to go somewhere
[09:53] <magneto> elwood - you could add it to your system without changing the kernel
[09:54] <jdub> frederik: postfix is very minimal for a complete mta
[09:54] <jdub> the benefit of using a real mta is that you can scale up quickly, with full system integration
[09:54] <Elwood> magneto, just make modules and modules_install?
[09:55] <linux_galore> need an easy mta with good spamassin support with a friendly UI
[09:55] <frederik> jdub: 'k
[09:55] <magneto> elwood- you could copy the drivers and edit the file in etc/modules.conf or
[09:55] <jdub> linux_galore: which can be done very easily with postfix
[09:55] <linux_galore> jdub: sure can
[09:55] <frederik> jdub: I have no experience with postfix, exim's my MTA of choice, but postfix is pretty modular, isn't it?
[09:56] <Elwood> magneto,  is one of the modules of the kernel, it's not external
[09:56] <jdub> frederik: yes
[09:56] <magneto> elwood - you can make && make_modules
[09:56] <linux_galore> played with postfix but prefers exim
[09:56] <magneto> ok then jsut do ^^
[09:56] <magneto> make && make modules_install
[09:56] <Elwood> damn i need to recompile all the otheres
[09:57] <magneto> then copy /usr/src/linux/arch/yourarch/boot/bzImage to /boot and modify /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:57] <Elwood> magneto,  i know this..thanks
[09:58] <magneto> sorry
[09:58] <magneto> what driver is it
[09:58] <magneto> u sure u cant inject it
[09:58] <Elwood> magneto,  nsl.. the "problem" is that now i had to recompile winmodem and nvidia's drivers
[09:58] <Elwood> magneto,  just bornig :P
[09:58] <Elwood> magneto,  nls support
[09:59] <udo> hello, spamassassin sux, successrate is much to low .. how do i exchange it with spambayes???
[09:59] <magneto> lol - elwood: you should have seen me tryin to compile mplayer with my kernel dying with swap errors
[09:59] <magneto> i uninstalled installed gcc about 12 times
[10:00] <linux_galore> someone just posted this short cartoon to me its funny its about Linux in a good way -> http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/04oct/uf007211.gif
[10:00] <Elwood> magneto, welcom in da club !
[10:00] <linux_galore> lol
[10:01] <magneto> lol @ amanda
[10:01] <magneto> netbackup for paupers and nerds
[10:01] <magneto> lol
[10:01] <linux_galore> up there with putting Debian on a PA-RISC diskless terminal....wonder if I can get ubuntu on it lol
[10:01] <magneto> linux_galore=nerd ;)
[10:02] <magneto> 4am here talking about installing debian on risc boxes my life sucks lol
[10:02] <linux_galore> hey if your not losing hair because its stuffing up its not worth the hassle
[10:03] <magneto> elwood: you had mplayer issues too?
[10:03] <linux_galore> Ubuntu because sometime you just want to let your hair grow  lol
[10:03] <AlohaWolf> Ubuntu impressed me, im preparing right now to switch to it from Mandrake
[10:03] <magneto> lol
[10:03] <Elwood> magneto,  not yet
[10:03] <Elwood> AlohaWolf,  this is an happy news
[10:04] <linux_galore> Ubuntu used by 9 out of ten recovering Gentoo users
[10:04] <AlohaWolf> LOL
[10:04] <stuNNed> lol
[10:04] <Elwood> uahuaah
[10:04] <thoreauputic> haha @ linux_galore
[10:04] <magneto> elwood: oh ok  ubuntu didnt like my ck kernel and i discovered a swap bug that ck had
[10:04] <magneto> LOL linux_galore
[10:04] <Elwood> ck..i am using <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:04] <magneto> et tu?
[10:05] <magneto> <IP_ADDRESS>cko8
[10:05] <magneto> but now im using ubuntu sources
[10:05] <magneto> i couldnt compile mplayer using my other kernel
[10:06] <linux_galore> Ive well and truly given up with 2.6.8-come_on_work_you_*^%$ and gome with 2.6.9
[10:06] <linux_galore> gone
[10:06] <magneto> linux_galore: i was waiting for moxilla-firefox to compile along with openoffice and said hey i can install ubuntu- 30 minutes later i felt better
[10:06] <mojo_> hi there
[10:06] <mojo_> I need some help with 'ls' command
[10:07] <linux_galore> magneto:  Ubuntu because even geeks have a life    lol
[10:07] <mojo_> how to use 'ls' to list only filename, don't show any other info !
[10:07] <mojo_> ??
[10:07] <magneto> linux_galore: i never had issues until now- and the default ubuntu kernel killed my sound with irq issues so...........
[10:07] <neon> mojo_ : ls -la
[10:07] <magneto> mojo- ls
[10:07] <neon> if i remember
[10:07] <neon> lol ^^
[10:07] <mojo_> neon: -la also shows properties and other info
[10:07] <thoreauputic> mojo_: that's what ls does ??
[10:08] <mojo_> neon: I just want to show filename part
[10:08] <thoreauputic> ls by itself
[10:08] <mojo_> ls works with CLI but it dun work in ftp
[10:08] <mojo_> I want to ls all files in my FTP
[10:08] <Elwood> magneto,  from where?
[10:09] <mojo_> and export to a txt file
[10:09] <magneto> linux_galore: lol and why did u stop slacking? i got a bad vibe from drbob
[10:09] <mojo_> what 'ls' used in ftp to list only filename
[10:09] <magneto> mojo dir
[10:09] <AlohaWolf> linux_galore, Ubunto - Debian Made Easy!
[10:09] <thoreauputic> mojo_: try dir
[10:09] <AlohaWolf> o- u+
[10:09] <mojo_> not work with 'dir'
[10:09] <linux_galore> magneto: well I have a Intel 648 based mobo and 2.6.8 was having IO issues but 2.8.9 was fine
[10:09] <AlohaWolf> 2.8.9?
[10:10] <linux_galore> oops 2.6.9
[10:10] <linux_galore> heh heh made you blink
[10:10] <thoreauputic> linux_galore: can I have a peek at your futuristic kernel? ;)
[10:10] <magneto> linux_galore: i was in love with 2.6.8 until swap errors killed every app i ran lol
[10:10] <magneto> Elwood: ?
[10:10] <calc> linux_galore: intel, sure you don't mean SiS?
[10:10] <Elwood> magneto,  your spacial location in this world :)
[10:11] <linux_galore> thoreauputic: it has the "Ha ha bill your history" patch
[10:11] <linux_galore> calc: they do
[10:11] <stuNNed> lol
[10:11] <magneto> lol ohh atlanta
[10:11] <thoreauputic> linux_galore: indeed :D
[10:11] <magneto> hotlanta
[10:11] <magneto> atl
[10:11] <linux_galore> calc: its the 645 with a better FSB for the ram
[10:11] <magneto> the durty south
[10:11] <Elwood> magneto, good place?
[10:11] <calc> linux_galore: intel has no 6xx line
[10:11] <calc> linux_galore: you are talking about SiS :)
[10:12] <linux_galore> no got the wrong number series
[10:12] <calc> 845 and 848?
[10:12] <stuNNed> no yes yes no lol
[10:12] <linux_galore> hmm 845 sorry
[10:12] <calc> ah :)
[10:12] <magneto> no beach - very rainbow friendly everyone is from elsewhere  shi#$y drivers cheap housing low cost of living good economy
[10:13] <calc> yea 848 is a derivative of the 865 series
[10:13] <linux_galore> welcome to my world of lots of machines with different chipset numbers
[10:13] <magneto> i have 845 chipset too! wow so much in common
[10:13] <magneto> elwood: overall atlanta is kinda nice
[10:14] <linux_galore> Ive even got a machine at work with SiS650 in it too bugger thats were I must have got the memory tick
[10:14] <Elwood> magneto, :)
[10:14] <magneto> im from los angeles and lived in ny for 10 years too- this is the best of the 3
[10:14] <magneto> linux_galore: were u ever into slackkware?
[10:15] <linux_galore> magneto: I used Vector once thats about as close as I got
[10:15] <magneto> ohh
[10:15] <magneto> lol at aloha in the lbc
[10:16] <magneto> wow worldwide in here- ill trade u elwood lol
[10:16] <AlohaWolf> magneto, actually I live in the OC
[10:16] <Brooman> Chico, Cali in the house..w00t!
[10:16] <linux_galore> lives Bondi Beach
[10:16] <magneto> then i feel sorry for u alohawolf
[10:16] <magneto> :)
[10:16] <AlohaWolf> magneto, im less then a mile from long beach
[10:17] <magneto> then i resume feeling sorry for myself
[10:17] <Brooman> jdub?
[10:17] <magneto> chico? is that by pomona?
[10:17] <Brooman> 2 hours n. of sac
[10:18] <magneto> maybe im thinkin chino
[10:18] <AlohaWolf> got a question, whats the default first user number for a user under ubuntu is it 1000 like debian or 500 like all the RPM based Distros?
[10:18] <linux_galore> jdub Mr Gnome Release guy Mr I get paid for this isnt it amazing
[10:18] <jolg> 1000
[10:18] <linux_galore> heh heh
[10:18] <Brooman> lol
[10:19] <magneto> had to more passwd
[10:19] <magneto> lol
[10:19] <AlohaWolf> is there an RPM tool in apt? I need to install the ATi drivers
[10:19] <calc> alien
[10:19] <rbrad> AlohaWolf: you can chane it in /etc/login.defs
[10:19] <linux_galore> AlohaWolf: alien
[10:19] <calc> there are ati debs somewhere aiui though
[10:19] <magneto> aloha rpm2tar
[10:19] <magneto> ?
[10:20] <rbrad> AlohaWolf: s/chane/change/
[10:20] <Brooman> think they are called fglrx?
[10:20] <linux_galore> there is a rpm2deb app running around
[10:20] <Lathiat> its called alien
[10:20] <Lathiat> converts most packages
[10:20] <Elwood> brrr alien
[10:21] <linux_galore> Lathiat: I know alien but thats not the only app Ive seen thats does that
[10:21] <magneto> make menuconfig and make xconfig die on me despite having the apps installed they complain over
[10:21] <Lathiat> linux_galore: Yes but its one that does it so who cares and just use it?
[10:21] <magneto> finally
[10:21] <AlohaWolf> I need to install the ATi drivers so I can get Dual Heads going on my machine
[10:22] <magneto> what card aloha?
[10:22] <AlohaWolf> Radeon 9200
[10:22] <magneto> dual is sweet- i use it with my 7500 m7 in my laptop
[10:22] <AlohaWolf> its supported by the ATi drivers
[10:22] <Brooman> AlohaWolf: try the fglrx drivers..should be in apt
[10:23] <AlohaWolf> also, what version of X is it launching with 6.7 or 6.8?
[10:23] <magneto> yeah fglrxconfig will set it up too no hassle
[10:23] <Brooman> AlohaWolf: ati's drivers crap out on 6.8
[10:23] <magneto> 4.3
[10:23] <magneto> ohh that discussion
[10:23] <Brooman> AlohaWolf: they work ok for 6.7
[10:23] <magneto> 6.8
[10:23] <Elwood> AlohaWolf, and there are the faq in the wiki
[10:23] <magneto> 6.7 is ok
[10:24] <magneto> any of u using xorg in ubuntu?
[10:24] <AlohaWolf> thats what I was asking does ubuntu use xorg or 4.3.*
[10:24] <Elwood> magneto,  i am waiting the release of deb but i used on my sid
[10:24] <Brooman> heh..im a gentoo guy offering support in ubuntu..whats the world coming to?
[10:25] <magneto> 4.3
[10:25] <AlohaWolf> coolies
[10:25] <magneto> thats what i thouht u were askin aloha
[10:25] <stuNNed> is there a way for apt-get to tell me what repo's a package is coming from?
[10:25] <magneto> brooman - im kinda the same
[10:26] <magneto> but i have left gentoo the compile time is not worth the trouble anymore
[10:26] <magneto> the gain is negligible
[10:27] <stuNNed> magneto, on a server with not that many packages seems to work out okay
[10:27] <stuNNed> x86 of course
[10:27] <thoreauputic> stuNNed: apt-cache policy <package>
[10:27] <stuNNed> thoreauputic, appreciated.
[10:27] <thoreauputic> np
[10:27] <magneto> yeah stunned- if u dont use x or big apps yeah but on your laptop?
[10:27] <Brooman> magneto: im just plain used to gentoo now..would be hard to convert lol
[10:27] <stuNNed> magneto, on laptop gentoo es deletion, ubuntu es installtion
[10:28] <AlohaWolf> gawd I HATE KDE
[10:28] <magneto> Brooman- i never thought i would discard gentoo but ubuntu is nice and fast and its faster to get running
[10:29] <magneto> lol stunned
[10:29] <AlohaWolf> magneto, thats why I never got on Gentoo, I didnt like the idea of a 36 hour build time
[10:29] <Brooman> magneto: i was actually impressed that ubuntu was the first distro to release gnome 2.8..i had to wait a month for it to make the unstable branch in gentoo
[10:30] <magneto> alohawolf, man its so beautiful to emerge whateverobscureapp
[10:30] <calc> AlohaWolf: so use gnome
[10:30] <fsc> and 2.8 has been rock-solid for me so far
[10:30] <Brooman> to be fair..gentoo does have a stage3 install with prebuilt packages..you can get it up and running as a full desktop in around an hour
[10:31] <AlohaWolf> calc, I didnt wanna wait for it to install
[10:31] <magneto> brooman- how many times did you emerge gnome-base/gnome2.8.0.ebuild before you had all the other emasked ebuilds added into package.keywords ?
[10:31] <stuNNed> magneto, lol
[10:31] <Brooman> magneto: lol..i took the easy way out and did an accept_keywords
[10:32] <Brooman> calc: one reason..portage
[10:32] <calc> i used it for ~ 2hr while it installed and saw how much it sucked
[10:32] <magneto> exactamundo
[10:32] <calc> it has no decent package management at all
[10:32] <magneto> emerge asskickinapp-1.5
[10:32] <Brooman> calc: not gonna start a war, but your wrong
[10:32] <calc> Brooman: perhaps it has changed some, i used it ~ 2000
[10:33] <magneto> calc- i would use emerge now for small apps in ubuntu
[10:33] <Brooman> damn, it existed in 2000?
[10:33] <calc> but from what people using it have told me since it is still that way
[10:33] <calc> Brooman: either in 2000 or 2001 yes
[10:33] <magneto> calc- it has changed alot in 1 year let along 4
[10:33] <calc> back when i still had a job ;)
[10:33] <magneto> alone
[10:33] <magneto> lol
[10:33] <calc> magneto: they rewrote how portage works drastically?
[10:33] <magneto> calc- jobless is the best time to use it
[10:34] <magneto> portage is simple but there are frontends now
[10:34] <Brooman> calc: what were your issues with portage?
[10:34] <magneto> guitoo porthole
[10:34] <calc> Brooman: it had no sane things like being able to see what program a file belonged to, or what files a package produced (like dpkg -L or -S) or rpm does (i forgot its args)
[10:35] <Brooman> i kinda hate gui's but thats just me..tried synaptic and preferred the command line a while ago when i tried debian
[10:35] <calc> that was some of the things i disliked, i don't recall the others
[10:35] <stuNNed> gentoolkit can do that, calc
[10:35] <calc> stuNNed: ah probably didn't exist back then
[10:35] <Brooman> calc: there are utils that take care of that now
[10:35] <calc> ok
[10:36] <Brooman> qpkg and etcat
[10:36] <magneto> portage is sweet although some ebuilds and dependencies can be alot of trouble
[10:36] <yohannes> is there any plugin currently for firefox/mozilla that allows me to play quicktime on apple's site?
[10:36] <Brooman> magneto: ive never had issues with stable
[10:36] <magneto> yohannes mplayerplugin
[10:36] <yohannes> i have browsed the forum but cant seem to find a solution
[10:36] <stuNNed> magneto, esp when you start mixing x86 and ~x86 in a big way, i found
[10:37] <yohannes> is it accessible from apt?
[10:37] <magneto> brooman - stable? we talking gentoo? lol
[10:37] <stuNNed> magneto, imho they need a better way to separate stable from unstable/testing
[10:37] <Brooman> magneto: lol...unstable can be horribly broken sometimes
[10:37] <magneto> stunned- the stable tree is wack
[10:37] <yohannes> magneto--> not available in apt
[10:38] <magneto> u wont use gentoo is stick to nonmasked ebuilds
[10:38] <magneto> if you instead of "is"
[10:39] <magneto> yahannes http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94&page=1&pp=10
[10:39] <Brooman> night all..gotta catch some zzzz's
[10:40] <magneto> later brooman - im out too
[10:40] <magneto> night all/morning all
[10:41] <stuNNed> yohannes, working here with mplayerplug-in
[10:41] <imabrowneye> hi all
[10:41] <stuNNed> hi imabrowneye
[10:42] <cetex> hi, during install when i've partitioned the disk and it's about to format the partitions it complains and says that formating failed.
[10:43] <cetex> and after i've checked some stuff i've found out that it only finds partition #1 on the disk, all other partitions aren't there..
[10:43] <cetex> during partitioning it sees all partitions, but they doesnt exist in /dev
[10:43] <stuNNed> yohannes, eh, sort of works
[10:44] <Gmail> can someone tell me WHY (key word) php4 depends on apache 1.3.*? and not also on apache 2?
[10:44] <imabrowneye> anyone running kde
[10:44] <tolstoy> i'm running from kde . . .
[10:44] <stuNNed> tolstoy, lol
[10:44] <imabrowneye> on ubuntu??
[10:44] <bkw> the livecd include packages that're more up2date than the install cd, right?
[10:45] <tolstoy> i've heard tell that people can install it on ubuntu.  praps there's info at the wiki?
[10:45] <imabrowneye> mm should read better before replying
[10:45] <yohannes> stunned --> where did u get it from?
[10:46] <stuNNed> yohannes, from multiverse repo
[10:46] <imabrowneye> yeah i've had a look around, but though it would be could to find someone who allready ahd it running
[10:46] <imabrowneye> could = good (typing braille :()
[10:46] <Gmail> i was running kde 2 mi ago to see how much it changed from version 2 and i say if your going to use kde why not use winbloat?
[10:46] <stuNNed> is 'repo' the right term in debian world? never really used debian before...
[10:47] <stuNNed> apt repo, or whatever
[10:47] <superblah> anyone know how to dual boot with windows? It automatically made a windows option in grub upon install, but it doesn't work.
[10:47] <imabrowneye> yeah i've found kde to be slow on this old box
[10:47] <yohannes> stunned --> kinda new to apt here, :) what is multiverse repository?
[10:47] <Lathiat> everytime i use kde the graphics are all fscked
[10:48] <imabrowneye> i only ask, beacuse i want to run an app called knoda
[10:48] <Lathiat> yohannes: its contrib/non-free from the main debian archives
[10:48] <imabrowneye> it's a front end for mysql
[10:48] <calc> Gmail: because kde is open source?
[10:48] <calc> Gmail: many people don't run linux because its stripped of features
[10:48] <calc> they run it since its open
[10:48] <cetex> :<
[10:48] <calc> well some probably just run it because its the cool thing to do i guess... ;)
[10:49] <stuNNed> yohannes, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and add 'multiverse' to the end of line: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[10:49] <nevyn> s/open/Free/
[10:49] <stuNNed> yohannes, i.e: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[10:49] <nevyn> you can tell they're the ones without nvidia cards or promise "raid" controllers
[10:49] <stuNNed> yohannes, then `apt-get mozilla-mplayer`
[10:50] <stuNNed> yohannes, first `apt-get update`
[10:50] <stuNNed> yohannes, or use synaptic :)
[10:50] <yohannes> why the multiverse variable is not listed on the sources.list on the first place?
[10:51] <imabrowneye> is anyone here using mysql?
[10:51] <iz> yup
[10:51] <imabrowneye> iz are you using a front end for it
[10:51] <iz> nope
[10:51] <yohannes> stunned --> is mozilla-mplayer is the same as mplayerplugin?
[10:52] <stuNNed> yohannes, yes
[10:52] <yohannes> stunned --> cos i got it online. it's version 1.02
[10:52] <thoreauputic> yohannes: not everyone wants to use non-free, for example
[10:52] <yohannes> which one is non-free?
[10:52] <stuNNed> multiverse...universe...i think
[10:52] <iz> imabrowneye, i use webmin
[10:53] <thoreauputic> yohannes: I was answering your earlier question
[10:53] <imabrowneye> iz: any suggestions on something to use as a front end for it
[10:53] <iz> and phpmyadmin
[10:53] <imabrowneye> aaahh
[10:53] <imabrowneye> ok
[10:53] <iz> apt-get install phpmyadmin
[10:53] <yohannes> btw, what is the multiverse variable?
[10:53] <imabrowneye> i want to be able to make up a form
[10:53] <iz> and then add it to your http.conf
[10:54] <yohannes> stunned --> how do i install foo.deb file?
[10:54] <imabrowneye> so you can use it off a web page then
[10:54] <iz> imabrowneye, http://www.mysqlfront.de/
[10:54] <imabrowneye> okay, checking it out
[10:54] <yohannes> the mplayerplugin i downloaded ends w/ that extension
[10:54] <stuNNed> yohannes, 2.66-2 in multiverse
[10:57] <Gmail> i get this error while tring to install a java thing for my modem
[10:57] <Gmail> /tmp/install.dir.30796/Linux/resource/jre/bin/i386/native_threads/java: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:58] <imabrowneye> iz - thanks for that, i will have a play with it
[10:58] <iz> :)
[10:59] <yohannes> stunned --> wow yours is way up2date
[11:00] <stuNNed> i'm out, good luck with it, yohannes
[11:01] <tolstoy> egads. emacs won't stop beeping!
[11:02] <Lathiat> Anyone tried to get NetworkManager running under ubuntu
[11:02] <tolstoy> oh, there we go. /etc/inputrc, and a re-login.
[11:02] <imabrowneye> iz: any suggestions on what i should use for an input form - ie: i want to set up a database for a behavour management group, I'm cool with the sql scripting, but need to have aform for a front end, so they can input data when they interview someone.
[11:03] <imabrowneye> i'm currently looking at openoffice
[11:03] <Lathiat> imabrowneye: web based interfaces are good
[11:03] <imabrowneye> are they hard top set up though
[11:03] <Lathiat> i more meant writing one heh
[11:05] <imabrowneye> i can do the mysql side easily enough (I use sql scripting at work). it's the input form that i need to set up
[11:05] <iz> imabrowneye, there's alot of opensource
[11:05] <imabrowneye> i like the look of knoda
[11:06] <iz> imabrowneye, have you try some content management systems?
[11:06] <iz> like mambo?
[11:07] <imabrowneye> nothing wrong with free
[11:07] <imabrowneye> especially when i'm donating my tiome and pc
[11:08] <iz> try other wise sourceforge.net
[11:08] <iz> searh on form
[11:08] <ahood> Hi All!
[11:09] <cetex> hm, do anyone know what makes ubuntu install fail to recognise partitions when formating and stuff?
[11:09] <imabrowneye> thanks iz
[11:09] <iz> np
[11:10] <ahood> I have a wireless card that is not supported by linux. The Ubuntu 'How To' says to use Synaptic to update to a newer linux kernel. How do I do this if I don't have internet access?
[11:12] <cetex> :(
[11:15] <srocc> hi, could anyone help me get my onboard soundcard installed (its my second day using ubuntu)
[11:15] <b_e_n_z> cetex, works fine here
[11:17] <cetex> well, something makes it _not_ to recognize my partitions wich is kind of annoying..
[11:18] <cetex> a friend of mine had the same problem, but he fixed it someway. although, he cant remember how..
[11:18] <The_Bell> hi
[11:19] <calc> ahood: download it on another computer and copy it over using a cd
[11:19] <linux_mafia> anyone here got beagle running using the ubuntu beagle how to? im sure i followed it to the letter, but no dice
[11:19] <The_Bell> could anyone tell me who shoud I ask to help translating ubuntu to my language?
[11:20] <calc> The_Bell: which part gnome or the installer?
[11:20] <The_Bell> whatever needs to
[11:20] <Pizbit^> The_Bell: What language?
[11:20] <The_Bell> catalan
[11:20] <calc> oh i think gnome already supports catalan
[11:20] <calc> not sure about the installer though
[11:21] <ahood> calc: Thanks. Do I download the linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386. Is this easy to download and install without Synaptic?
[11:21] <calc> ahood: you can find it in the repository but you have to navigate throught the dirs without synaptic
[11:22] <ahood> calc: Please forgive my ignorance (hehe). Is the repository on the CD?
[11:22] <calc> any files not on the ubuntu cd already are on the ubuntu website
[11:23] <The_Bell> if not anything new helping for future versions, or documentation :S
[11:23] <calc> i think its here:
[11:23] <calc> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>/
[11:24] <calc> The_Bell: perhaps ask jdub he would know about both ubuntu and gnome stuff
[11:24] <The_Bell> ok thanks
[11:25] <RubenV> I have a problem with the website, anyone who can help me?
[11:25] <RubenV> oh, appearantly, caps are not allowed in an email address
[11:26] <childe> Hi.
[11:26] <childe> I've planned to switch to Ubuntu
[11:26] <Tomcat_> childe: Good. :D
[11:26] <childe> Now I'm using Debian/Sid.
[11:26] <childe> Do you have some suggestions for me?
[11:26] <linux_mafia> The_Bell, is catalan a language spoken in spain? is that what basques speak?
[11:26] <vrln> clean install
[11:27] <vrln> you could try to dist-upgrade to ubuntu with apt, but things can go wrong
[11:27] <Tomcat_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language
[11:27] <childe> It sounds cool. But I've burnt a CD so I want to try it :D
[11:27] <AlohaWolf> how do I reconfigure X to run at a higher resolution, its running a 1280*1024 right now, and I want it at 1400*1050
[11:28] <Pizbit> childe: Just have a quick glance at the FAQ
[11:28] <linux_mafia> Tomcat_, thank you, i know how to use the web, wanted to hear it from the horses mouth so to speak
[11:28] <Tomcat_> Sorry. :P
[11:28] <ahood> calc: Thanks! I think I would also need to manually download the ndiswrapper-utils. Where would I find this at http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main  ?
[11:28] <The_Bell> linux_mafia it's a language spoken in Spain and south France
[11:28] <The_Bell> basque is another language also spoken in SPain and sout frace
[11:28] <The_Bell> so we have three official languages in SPain
[11:28] <childe> Will Ubuntu bloat in the future?
[11:29] <b_e_n_z> childe, i suppose so
[11:29] <vinsci> childe, only if you install more packages :)
[11:29] <linux_mafia> The_Bell, ok, thanks
[11:29] <childe> Get bigger and bigger, like other distro?
[11:29] <ahood> calc: I found it!
[11:29] <vrln> childe: why not? :)
[11:29] <linux_mafia> *get even
[11:29] <childe> I've seen that some new packages have been added into Ubuntu, such as AbiWord, Gnumrics
[11:29] <vinsci> childe, just lke debian, you can run as tiny or as complicated a system as you like
[11:30] <childe> OK. Then will the default installation keep small?
[11:30] <Matt|> is it possible to access a hoary repository?
[11:31] <childe> When I apt-get install Gnome on Debian/Sid, it installed a lot of packages
[11:31] <linux_mafia> childe, at install you can type "custom", only the base set of essential os packages are installed, then you can go from there
[11:31] <The_Bell> childe because gnome is a meta package which installs ALL of gnome
[11:31] <The_Bell> you may choose to install only the gnome packages you want
[11:31] <linux_mafia> Matt|, yes, or are you having connection troubles?
[11:31] <The_Bell> it's like KDE
[11:32] <childe> OK
[11:32] <Matt|> linux_mafia, no i just would like an address :)
[11:33] <Matt|> linux_mafia, i would like if possible to change my warty system to a hoary one by updating but I'm not sure if its gonna work :)
[11:33] <linux_mafia> Matt|, just change the word warty to hoary in any instance in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:33] <Matt|> linux_mafia, ok i might try it
[11:33] <linux_mafia> Matt|, im running hoary
[11:33] <Matt|> linux_mafia, can you tell me what version of xorg is in hoary?
[11:33] <linux_mafia> Matt|, none
[11:33] <Matt|> oh
[11:34] <Matt|> eh?
[11:34] <Matt|> linux_mafia, did you cancel that idea?
[11:34] <linux_mafia> Matt|, what idea?
[11:34] <Matt|> linux_mafia, the idea of using xorg in hoary
[11:35] <sander> Is there a simple way to install all header files (-dev packages) of currently installed packages? When I compile stuff myself, often support for certain libs is not enable, while the lib is installed (without headers)
[11:35] <childe> I was disappointed when I know that the drop shadow in X.Org is not blur.
[11:35] <linux_mafia> Matt|, no, i assume its still coming, ubuntu is based on debian, debian does not use xorg either
[11:36] <Matt|> linux_mafia, oh. the main reason of changing would have been that. Can you tell me what version of xfree86 it is?
[11:37] <srocc> this serveer seems to be meant for advanced questions, where can i post my rookyproblems?
[11:37] <linux_mafia> Matt|, 4.3.0, heavily patched though
[11:38] <Matt|> :(
[11:38] <enabl> what do you mean by blur childe?
[11:38] <Matt|> linux_mafia, damn
[11:38] <childe> I mean the real blur filter, like in Photoshop or in Mac OS X
[11:38] <enabl> like that http://www.filespace.org/enabl/XFce.jpg
[11:38] <childe> the  Gaussian Blur
[11:40] <linux_mafia> Matt|, why "damn"?
[11:40] <synapse> hi, just wondering what packages i need for running java with firefox compatabilitie?
[11:40] <Matt|> linux_mafia, only the most recent release of xorg supports 3d for my video card
[11:40] <Matt|> linux_mafia, and I have failed to compile the modules myself :(
[11:41] <childe> This picture is pretty. But is the shadow produced by real Blur or by gradient?
[11:41] <linux_mafia> Matt|, what card? an ati no doubt, heh
[11:41] <Matt|> linux_mafia, correct
[11:41] <Matt|> linux_mafia, IGP 340M
[11:41] <enabl> i've no idea childe
[11:41] <childe> OK
[11:42] <linux_mafia> Matt|, what you want 3d in linux for?
[11:42] <The_Bell> Matt| in gentoo I managed to do this
[11:42] <childe> So I'll go to see XFCE's code, Thanks
[11:42] <The_Bell> but not in debian
[11:42] <The_Bell> http://www.freedesktop.org/~dri/snapshots/
[11:42] <The_Bell> downloading here the latest snapshots
[11:42] <The_Bell> of common and radeon
[11:42] <The_Bell> unpacking and running the install script
[11:43] <The_Bell> you'll need the kernel modules packages installed
[11:43] <Matt|> The_Bell, you think it will work?
[11:43] <Matt|> linux_mafia, isn't 3d a good idea?
[11:43] <Matt|> linux_mafia, I can't play any games!
[11:43] <The_Bell> Matt| in gentoo worked
[11:43] <The_Bell> in debian didn't
[11:43] <The_Bell> but you can always uninstall it
[11:43] <The_Bell> it savesthe old modules as backups
[11:43] <Matt|> The_Bell, yes I have also got it going in gentoo, mandrake, fedora
[11:43] <The_Bell> so you'll not have any problem
[11:44] <Matt|> The_Bell, you have the same card?
[11:44] <linux_mafia> Matt|, why not just play games in win? do you not dual boot?
[11:44] <Matt|> linux_mafia, nope
[11:44] <Matt|> linux_mafia, dual booting is like a concession to evil
[11:44] <Matt|> ;p
[11:44] <The_Bell> nope
[11:44] <The_Bell> i have a IGP320M
[11:44] <Matt|> ah similar
[11:44] <childe> Matt, why not play games in XBox? heh heh
[11:44] <synapse> hi, just wondering what packages i need for running java with firefox compatability?
[11:44] <Matt|> childe, i do not have one
[11:45] <Matt|> unfortunately
[11:45] <childe> Sorry
[11:45] <Matt|> no need to apologise :)
[11:45] <childe> I don't have one, too
[11:46] <Matt|> The_Bell, so I run the common install script, and then the radeon install script?
[11:46] <The_Bell> there should be only one install script which dioes everything
[11:46] <silbs> hi all. Does Ubuntu support a  "be2-latin1" keyboard?
[11:47] <The_Bell> in dripkg directory
[11:47] <Matt|> right
[11:47] <Matt|> i just unpack them in the same place and it will work?
[11:47] <The_Bell> Matt| http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=206675&highlight=
[11:47] <The_Bell> look  here
[11:47] <sander> synapse, I installed jre-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin (java.sun.com) and symlinked to libjavaplugin_oji.so in my ~/.mozilla/plugins folder, works fine!
[11:47] <The_Bell> it sould
[11:47] <The_Bell> should
[11:47] <Matt|> The_Bell, ok thanks
[11:47] <linux_mafia> synapse, i followed this, works a treat, stick to 1.4.x though, 1.5 always crashes for me, although ymmv
[11:48] <Matt|> The_Bell, if all else fails I will just wipe ubuntu and install gentoo :)
[11:48] <AlohaWolf> how do I get my sounds working?
[11:48] <linux_mafia> synapse, http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php
[11:48] <linux_mafia> i guess posting the link helps, heh
[11:50] <sander> Nobody?  - Is there a simple way to install all header files (-dev packages) of currently installed packages?
[11:50] <kent> sander, synaptic?
[11:51] <Aard> sander: what about getting all those names from apt-cache search and piping it to apt-get install?
[11:51] <Matt|> The_Bell, ok i have run the script and it has gone through without any errors. I'll restart X and see how it goes
[11:51] <Matt|> many thanks for that!!
[11:51] <sander> kent, I used synaptic indeed. But I had too read >700 installed packages, to watch for -dev packages
[11:51] <sander> Aard, that might be a good one!
[11:52] <The_Bell> ok
[11:52] <derJunior> AlohaWolf: we need more information to answer your question
[11:52] <Pizbit> sander: You see that button that says "search" ?:)
[11:52] <The_Bell> he should have disavbled gdm before rebooting...
[11:52] <sander> heh
[11:52] <sander> don't forget that you don't know which libs are installed
[11:52] <sander> so you don't know what to look for either
[11:52] <AlohaWolf> derJunior, everything appears to bet set up right, but nothing appears to be working, I hit play in any program, I get dead air
[11:52] <linux_mafia> The_Bell, would this have helped him : http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html
[11:53] <sander> Pizbit, example: libjpeg is installed by default, libjpeg-dev is not. My apps compile fine, but quitely without libjpeg support
[11:53] <Aard> sander: you can find out what's installed with apt-cache and/or apt-show-versions ;)
[11:53] <The_Bell> I think our IGP are not listed there linux_mafia
[11:53] <The_Bell> but im not sure
[11:53] <linux_mafia> The_Bell, ok
[11:54] <AlohaWolf> derJunior, nevermind.. I fixed it
[11:54] <Pizbit> sander: Then whoever wrote the configure script should go back and put a bit at the end saying what will or wont be compiled
[11:54] <vinsci> who's working on the web site? no team listed on the team page
[11:55] <sander> Pizbit, I agree. I wish that packages will do this ...
[11:55] <derJunior> AlohaWolf: okay :)
[11:55] <skar> hi, how do i configure smartd so as to run a script when it detects a device to be developing bad sectors?
[11:56] <AlohaWolf> derJunior, the drivers used under ubuntu configure it to come out a different port
[11:56] <donald> hi
[11:57] <donald> i downloaded wine for syanptec. where is it  i cant find it
[11:57] <donald> i installed
[11:57] <rebirth> aha!
[11:57] <rebirth> java
[11:57] <rebirth> :[
[11:58] <donald> can som one help me _
[11:58] <Pizbit> donald: You downloaded a .deb ? You'll have to install it via dpkg -i <.deb file name> as root at the command line
[11:58] <donald> pizbit:i said i installed
[11:58] <donald> but i cant find it
[11:59] <rebirth> what package do i need so java is installed? ie, webgames, azureus..
[11:59] <derJunior> AlohaWolf: what soundcard do you have? A friend of mine has a Problem with the Sound too
[12:00] <AlohaWolf> I have an nForce2
[12:00] <derJunior> okay it isn't the same, he has VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[12:01] <derJunior> do someone know a link to an howto for this card?
[12:02] <Pizbit> donald: Keep everything in the channel
[12:02] <donald> pizbit: can u help me ?
[12:04] <donald> i installed wine but i cant find it ? where is it
[12:05] <The_Bell> that Matt may have had problems with the xfree modules
[12:05] <The_Bell> maybe I should have told hm how to restore the old drivers
[12:05] <donald> th e bell can u help me _
[12:05] <donald> ?
[12:06] <The_Bell> run updatedb
[12:06] <The_Bell> and then locate wine
[12:06] <The_Bell> it might be in /opt maybe
[12:06] <The_Bell> I don't know never installed wine
[12:06] <TheMuso> If wine was installed from a package, it would not be in /opt.
[12:07] <donald> i found it on synaptic
[12:07] <TheMuso> The command wine is very likely in /usr/bin
[12:07] <TheMuso> another way to find it is type which wine
[12:08] <The_Bell> well
[12:08] <The_Bell> if he is trying to find it
[12:08] <donald> ok but when  i downlod music from Amule where  does i goes _ i cant find it
[12:08] <The_Bell> I suppose its because it is not in the path
[12:08] <The_Bell> oh
[12:08] <The_Bell> you meant where it saves the files
[12:08] <TheMuso> Wine creates virtual drives that point to various points on your system, depending on the configuration.
[12:08] <vinsci> web site team, ping
[12:09] <donald> i DL some music . where is it ?
[12:09] <donald> wich folder ?
[12:09] <TheMuso> Have you searched through your home directory?
[12:10] <donald> no
[12:10] <donald> isnt it  a folder > my shared folder or some thing?
[12:11] <TheMuso> Within the EMule program folder, very likely.
[12:11] <TheMuso> It also might be under /usr/share/wine
[12:12] <donald> where is my shared folder _
[12:12] <donald> i want to listen to some music
[12:13] <TheMuso> Well I can't exactly tell you myself. :) One way you could at least find the program is to search for the .exe file.
[12:13] <TheMuso> donald: You are using eMule? Did I get that right?
[12:13] <donald> its no exe file  im using linux
[12:13] <donald> aMule
[12:14] <TheMuso> donald: But you are using wine? Or have I got you mixed up with someone else?
[12:14] <donald> forget about wine now
[12:14] <TheMuso> Ok. Very likely the folder you have shared is somewhere in your home directory.
[12:15] <donald> argh! just forget the hole shit! you noobs  u cant  even tell me where it it. and this is a support channel ? u guys are noob like me! you are nott better ! noob!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:15] <L|nu}{^> ashole!
[12:16] <TheMuso> L|nu}{^: I disagree. he wasn't aware of how the program was set up. I don't know the program myself, but I was trying to help him
[12:17] <ahood> Thanks to all for the help!
[12:18] <tck> wtf was donald duck on about ?
[12:18] <Pizbit> What'd he say? I put him on ignore when he wouldn't stop messaging me
[12:19] <L|nu}{> haha...
[12:19] <TheMuso> It seems that he wasn't pacient. I came in half way through, and was attempting to find out what his problems were.
[12:19] <TheMuso> patient
[12:20] <tck> patience is a virtue :)
[12:20] <TheMuso> Agreed, but there are certainly a lot of people in this world who don't have it.
[12:21] <rebirth> what package do i install to get the java vm?
[12:21] <rebirth> :x
[12:21] <TheMuso> Java is not available in main or universe, or even multiverse AFAIK.
[12:22] <TheMuso> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[12:25] <rebirth> TheMuso, so I have to install it manually? :o
[12:25] <rebirth> I have it
[12:25] <rebirth> amr@rebirth:~ $ java
[12:25] <rebirth> You need to specify some parameters for java-sablevm wrapper.
[12:25] <rebirth> Help option is not implemented yet. See 'man java-sablevm' for now.
[12:25] <rebirth> how do I enable it in FireFox?
[12:26] <TheMuso> I am not sure sa I haven't had to do it myself. I am pretty sure it is on the wiki somewhere. If not, I suggest you go through this month's Ubuntu users archive. I remember seeing it there.
[12:26] <tuxx> Hello.
[12:27] <tuxx> How well is ATI Radeon 8500 supported by Ubuntu?
[12:27] <rebirth> Whats the Ubuntu users archive? :o
[12:27] <Pizbit> rebirth: For the mailing list I'm guessing
[12:27] <TheMuso> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/thread.html
[12:28] <cetex> hm,the ubuntu installcd only finds /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/{disc,part1} and the partitions part 1 through 7 exists.. :<
[12:28] <rebirth> thanks :-)
[12:29] <mjr> tuxx, well, Radeon 8500 is supported by the free DRI drivers for 3d acceleration; I don't know how well's that integrated in Ubuntu
[12:30] <tuxx> mjr I can see in Synaptic that there is a driver.. however I'm not sure how well it works and it's not on my machine I have the ATI. I have a nvidia and it works with the provided driver. Will ATI be like the same?
[12:30] <TheMuso> cetex: How many partitions should that drive have?
[12:35] <TheMuso> BrianB04: What exactly is the problem?
[12:36] <BrianB04> Well, all sounds work fine finally (On a gateway centrino laptop with ac'97 card) but...CD audio will not play
[12:36] <TheMuso> Do you have a CD audio cable from your CD-Rom to the motherboard CD audio connector?
[12:36] <BrianB04> I have no clue, seeing as how I have never opened the laptop...
[12:36] <Pizbit> heh
[12:37] <TheMuso> Ah ok. Is the CD audio volume up in the volume control?
[12:37] <BrianB04> Yep
[12:38] <TheMuso> Ok. I think you have to play CDs digitally, I.E have the Cd drive rip the CD and play it. I think Totem can do this. On the file meny there is an option to play a CD. Try that.
[12:38] <TheMuso> menu
[12:38] <childe> What's the URL of Ubuntu's package repository?
[12:39] <BrianB04> It just opens up Gnome's CD Player
[12:39] <TheMuso> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[12:39] <TheMuso> BrianB04: Is that when you insert the CD?
[12:39] <TheMuso> or when you choose the CD play option from Totem?
[12:39] <BrianB04> No, when I go into Totem, and select Play Disc from Tote
[12:39] <BrianB04> Totem....m key doesn't want to work today...bah
[12:41] <vanherpt> hi
[12:41] <vanherpt> I have a question regarding mozilla thunderbird
[12:41] <gruberman> morning
[12:42] <vanherpt> can I use an external application to send to thunderbird an attachment so that I don't have to look for the file?
[12:43] <TheMuso> BrianB04: Hmmm. it doesn't want to do anything for me, strange. I can't help you at present I am affraid
[12:43] <BrianB04> I wish there was a cd player app for Linux that does digital
[12:44] <derJunior> i'm not sure BrianB04 but i think i had heard of someone like this
[12:44] <derJunior> something like this
[12:44] <BrianB04> I went hunting through the forums, and all I found similar were mac problems
[12:44] <childe> Oh. There is no Chinese fonts in Ubuntu
[12:44] <derJunior> has ubutu a standard firewall?
[12:45] <vanherpt> you mean digital extraction for audio?
[12:45] <derJunior> if it has, how can i deactivate it
[12:45] <vinsci> derJunior, by default, it doesn't install a firewall, as it doesn't install any servers
[12:45] <TheMuso> vanherpt: Yeah. Sound-juicer uses the gstreamer backend for doing such a thing, and Totem is theoretically supposed to take advantage of it.
[12:45] <derJunior> vincent: okay thx
[12:45] <TheMuso> BrianB04: Have you tried going to open location and typing in cdda://
[12:46] <vinsci> derJunior, firewall functionality is built into the kernel, it's called iptables
[12:46] <derJunior> vincent: i know
[12:46] <RubenV> gstreamer's video capabilities are still inferior
[12:46] <RubenV> it's horrible
[12:46] <vanherpt> xmms has that funcionality in the cd plugin, I think
[12:46] <TheMuso> derJunior: I guess you could get a frontend from universe.
[12:47] <vinsci> derJunior, I would have suggested installing bastille in order to config the firewall - but unfortunately ubuntu for some reason doesn't come with that package
[12:47] <derJunior> my problem is i will connect via ssh to a friend's ubutu an the connection was refused
[12:47] <vinsci> derJunior, that's likely because he doesn't run the sshd
[12:47] <vanherpt> is he behind a router?
[12:47] <gruberman> Is there anyone here who has a nice icon for irssi?
[12:47] <TheMuso> derJunior: Thats a problem on the other end. Not yours AFAIK
[12:48] <RubenV> Ubuntu doesn't come with a firewall in a default config btw
[12:48] <derJunior> the-erm: yes i know, but the other system is an ubuntu system
[12:48] <derJunior> vincent: okay that's an idea, sshd is installed by default or?
[12:48] <TheMuso> derJunior: But does he have the SSh server running?
[12:48] <RubenV> no sshd by default
[12:48] <TheMuso> sudo apt-get install ssh-server
[12:49] <derJunior> big thx
[12:49] <TheMuso> BrianB04: I think that can only RIP.
[12:50] <BrianB04> It can play as well
[12:50] <vanherpt> If I want to run a command at boot time, I make a script in init.d/myscript and then add it to a runlevel (like 234 or 5) right?
[12:50] <RubenV> does the job and does it well
[12:50] <TheMuso> RubenV: What do you use for CD track titles?
[12:50] <BrianB04> RubenV, You use OGG?
[12:50] <gruberman> what's the command to see all the processes?
[12:50] <RubenV> Yes I use ogg
[12:50] <TheMuso> gruberman: ps aux
[12:50] <BrianB04> Just for home use, or do you have a portable player?
[12:50] <RubenV> it's far superior compared to MP3
[12:50] <NermUbuntu> lo lo
[12:51] <NermUbuntu> I think I've worked out what apt isn't soing
[12:51] <RubenV> for home use
[12:51] <vanherpt> gruberman, "top" does it too
[12:51] <RubenV> my portable player is my laptop ;)
[12:51] <gruberman> TheMuso, vanherpt: thx
[12:51] <BrianB04> What quality you use for Ogg?
[12:52] <derJunior> openssh-server ist allready the newest version
[12:52] <RubenV> 10
[12:52] <RubenV> I used to encode in flac
[12:52] <derJunior> but /etc/init.d/sshd doesn't exist
[12:52] <RubenV> ogg at 10 gives me about the same quality, without wasting so much space
[12:52] <TheMuso> derJunior: Well type sudo apt-get install --reinstall ssh-server and that should be fixed.
[12:52] <RubenV> I'm a quality whore
[12:52] <TheMuso> RubenV: But you still loose some.
[12:53] <RubenV> mainly because I hate dj's who play 128kbps mp3
[12:53] <derJunior> TheMuso: okay i will test ist (i work as root i don't need sudo)
[12:53] <RubenV> TheMuse: true, but marginally
[12:53] <BrianB04> 6 is about default, isn't it?
[12:53] <TheMuso> I am a quality freek as well, but sometimes less space with a bit of lossyness is acceptable.
[12:53] <RubenV> It's a good tradoff compared to the space eating flac
[12:53] <TheMuso> RubenV: True.
[12:53] <vanherpt> and what would you have to do to add sshd so it'll start with the system
[12:54] <TheMuso> I have been thinking of doing DJing, but I would use FLAC or the absolute highest OGG quality.
[12:54] <RubenV> I'm still looking for decent software on linux
[12:54] <RubenV> mixxx is the most mature thing, but can't find any debs
[12:54] <vanherpt> RubenV, have you seen www.openjay.org??
[12:54] <RubenV> and ever since i quit gentoo, i'm tired of compiling
[12:55] <RubenV> let's see
[12:55] <TheMuso> RubenV: Have you checked Debian's repositories?
[12:55] <tseng> keep the cds
[12:55] <RubenV> TheMuso: yes
[12:55] <BrianB04> Well, you know what I mean, encode them, and set them aside.
[12:56] <RubenV> If I knew how to build a decent .deb
[12:56] <RubenV> but couldn't get mixxx to compile anymore on gentoo
[12:56] <RubenV> too bad, cause i kinda liked it
[12:56] <RubenV> unfortunately it's not Traktor
[12:58] <TheMuso> You could build some DJ software using Pure Data and some externals. :)
[12:59] <RubenV> well, as an IT studednt, it should be my duty to do so
[12:59] <RubenV> on the other hand, if I don't want do double my year, I shouldn't ;)
[01:00] <TheMuso> RubenV: Do you want to do things like speed alteration of music to beatmix etc?
[01:00] <The_Bell> estc uugant
[01:01] <RubenV> TheMuso: yes
[01:02] <RubenV> http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?traktor_us
[01:02] <RubenV> back when i was a windows user, I used this
[01:02] <RubenV> now I'm out of software, but atleast I don't have to use windows anymore
[01:02] <TheMuso> software
[01:03] <TheMuso> I think there is also another one called BPM DJ.
[01:03] <RubenV> yeah, but Traktor is far superior to BPM
[01:03] <merlin0> hello
[01:03] <TheMuso> RubenV: True
[01:03] <merlin0> new user here
[01:04] <michael315> merlin0 welcome old son
[01:04] <RubenV> maybe I should try to build mixxx
[01:04] <RubenV> after I work through my math
[01:04] <merlin0> someone have a working celestia with fglrx driver
[01:04] <merlin0> hello michael315
[01:06] <RubenV> ciao
[01:09] <netmonk> can you please tell me how to add fonts in ubuntu, I open the folder but it won't let me paste the fonts
[01:10] <ahood> Hi All
[01:10] <vanherpt> hi
[01:11] <vanherpt> you have to create a folder in /usr/share/fonts
[01:12] <vanherpt> and then put that folder in the configurations files (i think it was xorg.conf but dont remember the other)
[01:12] <ahood> I am a linux noobie and I need some advice. About an hour ago, this chat room helped me with manually downloading ndiswrapper-utils and linux-image. Now I need to figure out how to install these packages (deb files). Can I do this with Synaptic?
[01:13] <RubenV> ahood, to manually install a .deb:
[01:13] <RubenV> sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[01:13] <RubenV> i don't think you can do this in synaptic
[01:13] <LinuxJones> ahood, ndiswrapper-utils is available thru synaptic
[01:14] <RubenV> that's also true, i'm using it :)
[01:14] <RubenV> (unfortunately, till i find a better mini pci)
[01:14] <ahood> LinuxJones: True, but once I install Ubuntu, I won't have access to internet because the wireless won't be configured. I need ndiswrapper.
[01:14] <cyrilmalka> Hello there.. I try to install Ubuntu for the first time (on my sons machine), it can't boot directly from CD, so I believe the best will be to boot from the HD... the doc tells me to find hd-media/initrd.gz and hd-media/vmlinux... But where do I find it? Any suggestion?
[01:14] <ahood> RubenV: Thanks for the manual install command.
[01:15] <LinuxJones> ahood, oh ok, do what RubenV said :)
[01:15] <ahood> If I install manually, will the new package appear in Synaptic list?
[01:15] <LinuxJones> ahood, I don't know if there will be dependency problems when you go to run it though
[01:16] <LinuxJones> ahood, give me a sec.
[01:19] <ahood> LinuxJones: I don't know either about dependency.
[01:20] <LinuxJones> ahood, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/view?searchterm=ndiswrapper%20wireless
[01:20] <altan> is it just me or is the GNOME Network Settings menu buggy beyond all comprehension?
[01:22] <ahood> LinuxJones: Thanks. The question is... Do I need to install the linux-image before ndiswrapper-utils?
[01:23] <LinuxJones> ahood, >> I don't think it matters.
[01:23] <RubenV> ahood: doesn't really matter
[01:24] <RubenV> the othe utils are user space utilities
[01:24] <RubenV> the other is a kernel image
[01:24] <RubenV> just install em both
[01:24] <RubenV> reboot to the new kernel
[01:24] <LinuxJones> ahood, >> You will have to re-boot to the new kernel before running ndiswrapper tho ;)
[01:24] <RubenV> ndiswrapper -i inffile.inf
[01:24] <RubenV> and modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:24] <RubenV> andyour card should work
[01:26] <gruberman> OT: is there anyone here who has a link so I can listen to the cowboys game today?
[01:27] <JanneM> where should suggestions for inclusion in Hoary go?
[01:27] <JanneM> is the mailing list sufficient?
[01:27] <ahood> LinuxJones RubenV: Thanks!
[01:33] <altan> does anyone know of a good networking tutorial for all linux distros?
[01:35] <The_Bell> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Net-HOWTO/
[01:35] <The_Bell> try this
[01:41] <vanherpt> and a good initscripts tutorial for ubuntu/debian?
[01:42] <LinuxJones> vanherpt, >> http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3306
[01:42] <vanherpt> thanx
[01:42] <LinuxJones> vanherpt, ;)
[01:44] <TJL1> hello
[01:44] <altan> I enable the thing from the GNOME Network config but it keeps disabling itself
[01:45] <TJL1> can someone recommend me a nice editor (similar to Kate) with good syntax highlighting, that is GTK-based?
[01:45] <gruberman> gedit?
[01:45] <LinuxJones> altan, you loose your networking after re-booting your machine ?
[01:46] <altan> LinuxJones: I haven't rebooted
[01:46] <altan> it just enables it for a second then it unticks itself
[01:46] <gruberman> TJL1: I use gedit for web stuff.. good for php, html, python, css and alot more stuff
[01:46] <TJL1> other than gedit... ;-)
[01:46] <altan> it's so annoying, like it's taunting me :(
[01:46] <altan> TJL1: Try Scite
[01:46] <LinuxJones> altan, it is a pci network card ?
[01:47] <vanherpt> altan, gvim
[01:47] <altan> LinuxJones, it's an integrated network card
[01:47] <altan> it's recognized though
[01:47] <vanherpt> it was for TJL1
[01:47] <altan> the hell? I open device manager, it opens for .25 seconds and shuts itself off
[01:47] <LinuxJones> altan, so is the card working at all or is it some option that can't be enabled ?
[01:48] <jdub> altan: jump to a terminal, type:
[01:48] <jdub> sudo ifdown eth0 (or whatever you're using)
[01:48] <jdub> altan: then try the gui again
[01:48] <gruberman> TJL1: bluefish
[01:48] <altan> LinuxJones: I'm inclined to believe it's something wrong with the GNOME Network Config because I tried to use it to configure PPP as well and it kept doing that too
[01:48] <altan> jdub: I did that, I'm recognized
[01:48] <gruberman> TJL1: vi :)
[01:48] <Gmail> http://www.forum.vhcs.net/images/debian.png
[01:48] <Gmail> anyone want to change that to ubuntu
[01:50] <altan> By the way, this will be the main machine on the network, do I need to set up a DHCP server or something? I mean, does the GNOME thing assume that you're trying to connect to an existing network?
[01:50] <cenerentola> hi everybody=
[01:50] <cenerentola> where does evolutions keeps data=?
[01:51] <cenerentola> ...keep data...
[01:51] <sander> $HOME/.evolution
[01:51] <sander> (mail/contacts/etc)
[01:51] <LinuxJones> altan, I haven't heard of anybody else having those problems. Do you have a spare PCI Network card you can put in the machine ?
[01:51] <cetex> is there any way to install ubuntu if you exclude the original cd?
[01:51] <altan> LinuxJones, this is EXACTLY what happens: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2226&highlight=network+dhcp
[01:51] <sander> cenerentola, $HOME/.evolution (data) $HOME/.gconf/apps/evolution (settings)
[01:52] <cenerentola> thx
[01:52] <altan> LinuxJones, I'm very new to ethernet networking (in fact I've never done it before), but this DHCP thing - don't I need a DHCP server for my machine to define itself on the network correctly and for the other machine to define itself?
[01:53] <jdub> cenerentola: do not change anything under .gconf manually
[01:53] <jdub> cenerentola: use gconf-editor or gconftool-2
[01:54] <sander> cenerentola, jdub is correct. only use this folder for back-ing up, never touch the file contents
[01:55] <TJL1> gruberman: yes I like Vi (I use it at work), but I want something pretty for my desktop at home!
[01:55] <maswan> TJL1: gvim?
[01:55] <gruberman> TJL1: Try bluefish
[01:56] <LinuxJones> altan, do you have a router on your network ?
[01:56] <altan> I still suggest Scite
[01:56] <altan> LinuxJones: No, I got what I think the guy called a cross cable
[01:57] <TJL1> I'm just getting scite now
[01:57] <TJL1> I'll have a look at the others too
[01:57] <TJL1> thanks for the ideas
[01:58] <nevyn> hrm
[01:58] <cenerentola> yep but the accounts' configuration
[01:58] <jdub> TJL1: gedit is pretty cool these days
[01:58] <cenerentola> where does it keep it
[01:58] <jdub> cenerentola: in gconf
[01:58] <altan> I remember reading about it a few years ago though, so I'm pretty sure the guy wasn't making stuff up, and I'm pretty sure I don't need a router
[01:58] <jdub> cenerentola: run gconf-editor, navigate to /apps/evolution
[01:58] <cenerentola> no i copied them... but it doesnt
[01:58] <nevyn> does ubuntu ship with kdevelop?
[01:58] <nevyn> altan: yes you do.
[01:58] <cenerentola> show any kind of account
[01:58] <jdub> nevyn: kde is not supported - it might be in universe
[01:59] <altan> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2564 <--- TJL1, guide for anti-aliased fonts in Scite
[01:59] <bkw> does ubuntu have graphical package manager tool like fc3 might include?
[01:59] <jdub> altan: configure one machine at <IP_ADDRESS>, and the other at <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:59] <altan> nevyn, hold on
[01:59] <jdub> bkw: synaptic
[01:59] <cenerentola> it just starts with the setup-wizard
[01:59] <TJL1> bkw: synaptic
[01:59] <LinuxJones> altan, ok you will have to specify your IP address on that card manually (don't use dhcp). I don't know what to tell you for the other issues your having. If you can borrow/buy a PCI Network card and disable you onboard Net card (in bios). Try that out and see if it makes a difference.
[01:59] <TJL1> thanks for the link altan
[02:01] <cenerentola> jdub: im just trying to restore the settings ive got on another partition...
[02:01] <cenerentola> but it doesnt get the accounts
[02:02] <swifty> Hey, I tried to do a scan for wlan. I neighbour here share his internet with me, but I cant find his network, I find another network. It works fine in windows. Someone here know what to do?
[02:02] <altan> nevyn: http://www.johnscloset.net/wiring/crossover.html
[02:04] <nevyn> altan: you need a dhcp server or router on the network to use DHCP
[02:04] <cenerentola> jdub:????
[02:04] <sander> cenerentola, you must copy the $HOME/.gconf/apps/evolution folder to your new system, BUT, you must restart gconfd (killall gconfd-2)
[02:04] <sander> then start evolution
[02:05] <sander> ... talking to a wall :) ...
[02:05] <rburns> I have a printer connected to a rh9 box. from the command line on an ubuntu machine I can print, but not from any of the apps. any ideas?
[02:05] <altan> nevyn: I installed dhcpserver3 now
[02:05] <cenerentola> sorry you were saying
[02:06] <derJunior> TheMuso: what a type of firewall tool are you expecting to me?
[02:09] <cenerentola> ???
[02:09] <LinuxJones> altan, if you are using a crossover cable you don't need a dhcp server.
[02:09] <derJunior> :)
[02:10] <cenerentola> plz help
[02:10] <nevyn> altan: configuring dhcp is reasonably advanced networking foo. you may just wish to configure each machine with an address and be done with it.
[02:10] <cenerentola> i killed those gconfd-2 but its still the same
[02:11] <altan> yeah, it looks pretty difficult
[02:12] <nevyn> altan: not exact ly difficult.. more.. "advanced"
[02:19] <altan> Okay, I set it up sans-dhcp, ping works now but with 100% packet loss.
[02:19] <altan> I mean, it recognizes that there is a network, but it doesn't receive the packages
[02:22] <altan> Do I need to set this machine up as a gateway?
[02:23] <nevyn> altan: if you want internet access from the other one then yes.
[02:24] <nevyn> ping works with 100% packet loss?? to the other machine?
[02:24] <nevyn> or to the internet?
[02:25] <altan> to the other machine
[02:25] <altan> when I pinged before it just said network not found or something, but this way it just sends packets and never receives them. it's a step up, but not useful
[02:25] <nevyn> and you've configured both machines?
[02:26] <altan> yep
[02:26] <nevyn> what addresses did you use?
[02:27] <altan> <IP_ADDRESS> / <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:27] <nevyn> with a netmask of <IP_ADDRESS>?
[02:28] <altan> yes
[02:29] <joris_> Hello everyone, i downloaded the new kernel 2.6.9, installed gcc and the required ncurses libs and i still get tons of errors when compiling, anyone?
[02:29] <altan> " Remeber that in Ubuntu packages are listening on non-local network interfaces." <--- Does this mean anything?
[02:29] <LinuxJones> joris_, install build-essential
[02:30] <joris_> Is that an package?
[02:30] <LinuxJones> joris_, yes it is a dummy package that will install everything necessary to compile.
[02:31] <kapputu> hi Hiky
[02:31] <joris_> hmmzz
[02:31] <joris_> I fout it in the package manager, installing it right now... Yuo are saying this package installs everything that i need in order to compile a new kernel LinuxJones?
[02:31] <Hikaru79> Hey, kappu :)
[02:32] <LinuxJones> joris_, yep
[02:32] <Hikaru79> joris_, yes :) Synaptic is great
[02:32] <kapputu> hi Linux
[02:32] <joris_> =]
[02:32] <LinuxJones> hiya kapputu
[02:32] <kapputu> anyone had to change their clocks here ?
[02:33] <joris_> not me :)
[02:33] <derJunior> can someone approve an iptables firewall tool? Somethin in X for examble
[02:33] <LinuxJones> kapputu, mine updated correctly
[02:33] <kapputu> damn I woke up to find that I could have slept for one hour more
[02:33] <stvn> mine too
[02:33] <kapputu> :-(
[02:33] <stvn> heh
[02:33] <zenwhen> TRICK OR TREAT?
[02:33] <kalleboo> TRICK OR TREAT
[02:33] <LinuxJones> derJunior, firestarter
[02:33] <zenwhen> WE WANT CANDY
[02:33] <kalleboo> TRICK OR TREAT smell my feet, give me something good to eat!
[02:34] <kapputu> install KDE and you have all the eye candy
[02:34] <joris_> hey LinuxJones, things keep going wrong after i installed that package. Checkout what messages i get when i do a make menuconfig":
[02:34] <joris_> /boot/config-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386:2478: trying to assign nonexistent symbol USB_PWC
[02:34] <joris_> /boot/config-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386:2562: trying to assign nonexistent symbol USB_EAGLE
[02:34] <joris_> /boot/config-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386:2664: trying to assign nonexistent symbol ASFS_FS
[02:34] <joris_> /boot/config-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386:2665: trying to assign nonexistent symbol ASFS_RW
[02:34] <zenwhen> :) :)
[02:34] <kalleboo> :O
[02:34] <joris_> Anyone here knows whats the deal?
[02:34] <LinuxJones> joris_, did you unpack the kernel source and create the linux link in /usr/src ?
[02:35] <joris_> yeah
[02:35] <joris_> i downlaoded it in usr/src and unpacked it
[02:35] <joris_> and from there i went building
[02:35] <LinuxJones> joris_, are you sure the linux link is pointing to the correct directory ?
[02:36] <LinuxJones> joris_, cd /usr/src
[02:36] <joris_> well
[02:36] <derJunior> LinuxJones: thx
[02:36] <joris_> i run make menuconfig from /usr/src/linux-2.6.9 or something
[02:36] <LinuxJones> joris_, then  ln -s /usr/src/<whatever directory has the source > linux
[02:37] <LinuxJones> derJunior, :)
[02:38] <joris_> sh-2.05b# ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.6.9
[02:38] <joris_> ln: `./linux-2.6.9': cannot overwrite directory
[02:38] <joris_> Do you have any idea what's going in?
[02:39] <derJunior> joris_: what was the exact command?
[02:39] <joris_> what command do you mean?
[02:39] <derJunior> sh-2.05b# ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.6.9  <-- ist thist the command?
[02:39] <joris_> yeah
[02:40] <joris_> it's a C&P
[02:40] <derJunior> ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.6.9 /usr/src/linux
[02:40] <joris_> no clue what ln is doing, but i'm used to just unpack the source, run make menuconfig and voila...
[02:40] <kapputu> anyone uses Dyndns at home ?
[02:40] <joris_> do i need to rename the directory derJunior?
[02:40] <derJunior> jordi:
[02:41] <derJunior> joris_:  no, you make an symlink from the kernel directory to /usr/src/linux
[02:41] <joris_> yeah ok
[02:41] <joris_> but i still get the errors
[02:41] <joris_> :(
[02:41] <derJunior> the same?
[02:41] <derJunior> is there allready a /usr/src/linux?
[02:41] <derJunior> then delet ist
[02:41] <joris_> no
[02:41] <joris_> sh-2.05b# pwd
[02:41] <joris_> /usr/src/linux
[02:41] <joris_> sh-2.05b# make menuconfig
[02:41] <joris_> scripts/kconfig/mconf arch/i386/Kconfig
[02:41] <joris_> #
[02:41] <joris_> # using defaults found in /boot/config-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[02:41] <joris_> #
[02:41] <joris_> /boot/config-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386:84: trying to assign nonexistent symbol X86_EMU486
[02:42] <joris_> /boot/config-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386:120: trying to assign nonexistent symbol PM_DISK
[02:42] <joris_> /boot/config-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386:489: trying to assign nonexistent symbol BLK_DEV_ADMA/boot/config-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386:538: trying to assign nonexistent symbol CHR_DEV_SCH
[02:42] <joris_> /boot/config-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386:584: trying to assign nonexistent symbol SCSI_MEGARAID
[02:42] <joris_> there you go
[02:42] <LinuxJones> joris_, stop
[02:42] <kapputu> use www.pastebin.com
[02:42] <derJunior> joris_: nopaste.info <-- past something like that here
[02:42] <joris_> lol sorry :)
[02:42] <joris_> but can you guys see the errors?
[02:43] <derJunior> yes, but i really don't understand what you are trying
[02:43] <derJunior> what command ist pwd?
[02:43] <joris_> jsut to show you the directory
[02:43] <joris_> that's all
[02:43] <derJunior> oh
[02:43] <derJunior> isn't ls easier?
[02:43] <joris_> all i'm doing is running make menuconfig from /usr/src/linux
[02:43] <derJunior> *G*
[02:44] <derJunior> jordi: ls -l /usr/src/linux
[02:44] <Aard> derJunior: you should read man pwd and man ls. really.
[02:44] <joris_> sh-2.05b# ls -l /usr/src/linux
[02:44] <joris_> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     src            20 2004-10-31 14:40 /usr/src/linux -> /usr/src/linux-2.6.9
[02:45] <derJunior> Aard: okay i will do it :)
[02:45] <joris_> i don't get it :(
[02:45] <joris_> I cannot compile this kernel and without that i cannot access my aft32 partition
[02:46] <joris_> since there's no fat32 support in the kernel that shipped with 4.10
[02:46] <derJunior> Aard: okay now i know the differense
[02:46] <kent> joris_, isn't it?
[02:46] <joris_> no :(
[02:46] <Aard> joris_: modprobe vfat or something like this?
[02:46] <joris_> well
[02:46] <joris_> when i use the vfat type
[02:46] <joris_> it mounts
[02:46] <MagicFab> Looking for help to perform a backup before trying Ubuntu
[02:46] <TJL2> anybody here any good at troubleshooting alsa? my sound has suddenly gone weird today!
[02:47] <MagicFab> What would be the syntax for archiving my whole (existing) /home directory ?
[02:47] <joris_> I can see nicely all the directory's etc., but when i go back to gnome, gnome says those directory's are unknown files
[02:47] <joris_> very strange aswell
[02:47] <TJL2> everything sounds warbly
[02:47] <crimsun> MagicFab: tar cf /tmp/home.tar /home
[02:47] <MagicFab> crimsun> tx. what would restore it ?
[02:47] <crimsun> MagicFab: presuming you have enough space in /tmp to create an archive of /home
[02:47] <kent> joris_, i dont think a new kernel will help you.
[02:48] <joris_> hmm
[02:48] <MagicFab> crimsun> will tar compress too ?
[02:48] <crimsun> MagicFab: tar xf home.tar
[02:48] <crimsun> MagicFab: no, tar only archives.
[02:48] <joris_> well how should i mount my fat32 partition then?
[02:48] <TJL2> cp /tmp/home.tar / && cd / && tar xf home.tar
[02:48] <derJunior> jordi: do you mount as root?
[02:48] <kent> joris_,  mount -t vfat /dev/where /mount/point..
[02:49] <joris_> yeah, that's what i'm doing, and that works for 50%. Kent
[02:49] <derJunior> joris_: i mean
[02:49] <joris_> In my terminal i can se ethigns nicely, but in Gnome everything looks screwed
[02:49] <kent> joris_, could you take a screenshot and send it to me? :)
[02:49] <joris_> sure thing :p
[02:50] <derJunior> joris_: me to?
[02:50] <rwabel> hi
[02:51] <joris_> sure
[02:51] <rwabel> is it normal that with ubuntu the kde programs all need root permission to start?
[02:51] <joris_> kent, can you give me a mailaddress?
[02:51] <joris_> in PM
[02:51] <kapputu> any suggestions for a DynDns client ???
[02:52] <kent> joris_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but you could send it over dcc in irc aswell, but its ok with mail.
[02:52] <MagicFab> rwabel> Ubuntu runs as the first user it's setup with, root
[02:52] <MagicFab> rwabel> are you talking about another user you created ?
[02:53] <rwabel> MagicGab: no
[02:53] <rwabel> when start it normally they crash
[02:53] <rwabel> when I start with sudo they work fine
[02:53] <MagicFab> rwabel> r u asked for a password everytime ? What's the application(s)
[02:53] <rwabel> imgview
[02:53] <rwabel> gwenview
[02:53] <kapputu> firefox just crashed on me :-(
[02:54] <rwabel> no he asks me only once for the password in the same terminal
[02:54] <MagicFab> rwabel> usually you're _always_ running as root, from what I've seen
[02:54] <MagicFab> why would you need to sudo ?
[02:54] <rwabel> root user is diasbled on ubuntu by default
[02:54] <joris_> kent and derJunior, you got mail
[02:54] <joris_> take a look at it
[02:54] <derJunior> joris_: one moment
[02:54] <rwabel> because of kde problems I guess ;-)
[02:54] <MagicFab> rwabel> it's my understanding that the first user you setup is the same as root, no matter what
[02:55] <rwabel> k3b you have to start with sudo otherwise it doesn't work
[02:55] <Gmail> http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002ZAEY0.01-A1NDBS7YGOPBD6._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
[02:55] <MagicFab> that's what lets you go configure pretty much everything (a common complaint I've seen around)
[02:55] <Gmail> opps wrong tab
[02:55] <rwabel> MagicFab: you don't have root permission with the user you set up. it's a normal user. root user is disabled (doesn't exist on ubuntu)
[02:55] <suifur> MagicFab: no user can be setup "as root", he can be given privelages etc., but he's still not uid 0 gid 0