[01:11] <genii-around> Hm
[01:20] <IdleOne> probably useful but I suspect it would get abused some
[01:20] <IdleOne> If the ircc want a factoid they can add it :P
[01:28] <genii-around> I think it was intended as a !staff but for -irc
[01:31] <IdleOne> nope, ircc have to syn before staff can ack
[01:42] <elky> it's a copy of the lococouncil factoid
[04:39] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto  or   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42737 would be better, or something else for !fan
[04:40] <elky> help.ubuntu
[04:40] <Unit193> Content, not just name.
[04:40] <elky> anything on the forums post that's better than the help.ubuntu one should be merged that way
[04:41] <Unit193> !fan |Anything is better than this
[04:41] <bioterror> :D
[04:41] <bioterror> that's not even english :D
[04:42] <elky> ok... let me rephrase. use the help.ubuntu.com page. If there's anything extra/better on the ubuntuforums.org page, put the extra/better things on the help.ubuntu.com page
[04:43] <Unit193> (I can't edit anyway, so...)
[04:45] <elky> its a wiki...
[04:45] <gnomefreak> you only havev to have a lp account
[04:46] <gnomefreak> s/havev/have
[04:46]  * gnomefreak going reading. have a good/day
[04:46] <elky> gnomefreak, which I'd hope all the ops do since our irc stuff kind of depends on it.
[04:52] <Tm_T> morning
[04:53] <Unit193> elky: Can't change the *factoid*, the wiki would be editable. But nevermind.
[04:53] <elky> Oh. For that, you can type it out so we just have to copy-paste
[06:31] <topyli> re: the suggested ircc factoid, i think it's not really needed or particularly useful. esclation of bans and other arguments has its own nice bureaucratic process, nicely documented. otherwise, if someone has an improvement to suggest or a general complaint, they could email the team list or come to a meeting
[06:32] <topyli> not an ircc opinion, just me
[06:33] <topyli> oh too much espresso, hands shaking. oh coffee, why must you be so good
[06:42] <elky> Sometimes people ask who is on it, or how to contact them, without it being an obvious appeal. Eg, making a suggestion etc that they want to get some feedback on before going to a meeting agenda (or if they can't attend the meeting time). Throwing !appeals at them is somewhat rude/dismissive.
[06:43] <topyli> true
[06:43] <elky> And just a wee bit accusatory
[06:43] <elky> Mostly we've been throwing out !appeals, but it'd be nicer if we didn't have to.
[06:43] <topyli> then again, we could just throw the email address at them instead :)
[06:44] <elky> Yeah, but that involves finding a mail to make sure we do the right hyphenation etc
[06:44] <elky> and since we're all geeks, we're lazy bastards.
[06:45] <topyli> yep. not everyone has the address memorized
[06:45] <topyli> s/not everyone/no-one/
[06:45] <elky> I usually have to check if it has ubuntu- at the beginning or not
[06:45] <elky> Because i can never remember
[06:46] <elky> even when I was on the darn thing.
[06:47] <elky> I sometimes considered checking if we could have aliases, but that does involve dealing with the overworked sysadmin team and lots of waiting around.
[06:49] <elky> This is also another reason I wanted there to be a webform  people could go and fill out to make "tickets". The launchpad "contact the team" thing could be plugged into that tracker it if it's not already
[06:51] <topyli> i don't think it is. instead, there's yet another email address
[06:52] <elky> Since your meetings start at like 6am on a weekend my time, do you want to perhaps bring that up?
[06:54] <topyli> i could do that, yes. would "discuss making launchpad open tickets" be a good formulation for a topic?
[06:55] <topyli> we'd like to use launchpad bugs more thank our own ticket system, but not everything is a bug
[06:55] <topyli> s/thank/than/
[06:55] <AlanBell> the tracker seems appropriate for appeals from individuals
[06:56] <elky> making it "linking launchpad and rt" would work too. Bugs can be filed by forwarding stuff to launchpad itself.
[06:56] <AlanBell> you mean osticket?
[06:56] <elky> yeah that
[06:57] <elky> AlanBell, this isn't just appeals. sometimes people don't want to go putting stuff out publicly for all the riff-raff to critique until it's a more fully formed idea
[06:57] <topyli> AlanBell: absolutely. general communication would open tickets too, but that would be a good thing because we'd be more likely to actually follow up
[06:58] <elky> especially if they're suspecting you're going to go "lolno". that in public can sting a bit
[07:05] <AlanBell> back to the factoid, I have no objection to it existing, but I have "IRCC" on hilight anyhow
[07:06] <topyli> added the lp/osticket link to agenda
[07:08] <topyli> we can't really object to it anyway. ircc membership has to be public as per our charter, and the email address shouldn't be secret either :)
[07:09] <elky> it's just the spam issue really
[07:09] <elky> i think it's why we've avoided it in the past
[07:11] <AlanBell> fine, lets add it then, if people want to mark themselves for removal by abusing it then that would be quite handy
[07:11] <topyli> heh
[07:12] <elky> no, the web-scraping spambots
[07:13] <elky> the ones that make up 90% of all email traffic
[07:14] <elky> note to self. gluten free pasta in the slowcooker does not work so well.
[07:15] <topyli> i'm not sure if the address would show up in logs much more often than it does now
[07:15] <elky> it would.
[07:15] <AlanBell> !irccouncil is <reply> The IRC Council is AlanBell, Pici, topyli and funkyHat - they are there to help, just ask! :) You can send them an email at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:15] <AlanBell> !irccouncil
[07:15] <elky> ahahaha
[07:15] <topyli> oh
[07:15] <elky> after all that discussion
[07:15] <AlanBell> lulz
[07:16] <elky> make it friendlier at least
[07:16] <AlanBell> your point, whilst interesting, would appear to be invalid ;)
[07:17] <elky> Yeah, the suggested message is at least friendlier, even if plagiarised.
[07:17] <AlanBell> some kind of merging of the two would be good
[07:19] <elky> Aim for something that sounds less like a description of SCOTUS
[07:19] <elky> That's a fairly low bar, that.
[07:19] <topyli> something like "The Ubuntu IRC council are AlanBell, Pici, topyli and funkyHat. You can contact them at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:20] <topyli> just something simple like that. i don't feel like actively encouraging fan/hatemail without a good reason
 In ubottu, benonsoftware said: !irccouncil is <reply> The IRC Council is AlanBell, Pici, topyli and funkyHat - they are there to help, just ask! :) You can send them an email at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:21] <elky> well, the -irc-council channel is worth keeping too
[07:21] <topyli> oh yes
[07:21] <elky> since it's relevant to interests etc
[07:22] <elky> ^also just pasting so i don't have to keep scrolling up to remember what it said
[07:25] <topyli> !ircc is <alias> irccouncil
[07:25] <topyli> people will often try that anyway
[07:26] <elky> !irc-council is <alias> irccouncil
[07:26] <elky> that too
[07:26] <topyli> yes
[07:26] <topyli> also, ubottu fails to respect my authority! :(
[07:27] <topyli> @login
[07:27] <elky> respect mah authoritah!
[07:27] <topyli> !ircc is <alias> !irccouncil
[07:27] <topyli> !ircc
[07:27] <elky> !ircc
[07:27] <topyli> :)
[07:27] <elky> already aliased
[07:28] <elky> er... also you didn't need the second !
[07:28] <topyli> yeah :(
[07:29] <topyli> that makes my authority not worthy of ubottu's respect anyway :)
[07:31] <AlanBell> congratulations to Fuchs who is now an Ubuntu Member :)
[07:32] <bioterror> there goes his social life
[07:32] <bioterror> ;)
[07:36] <elky> o.O
[08:15] <C-4> Hi, I have just been kicked by the op of #ubuntu-bd because I told him that the +O he has assigned to him there is not appropriate for a public channel. How can we solve this?
[08:16] <Unit193> As #ubuntu-bd is a non-core channel, best bet would be in #ubuntu-irc
[08:16] <C-4> Thank you.
[14:49] <Pici> looks fine to me
[15:40] <bazhang> is stalker_'s command dangerous?
[15:44] <Flannel> bazhang: No: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=45213
[15:44] <bazhang> Flannel, ok thanks
[15:44] <Flannel> but it's certainly not on topic :)
[15:44] <bazhang> hehe
[16:02] <mrmist> see #fn regarding that.  looks like this chap has some sneaky injections into that original camel.
[16:23] <bazhang> heads up on truepurple
[16:24] <ikonia> I'm aware of his past, hence why I'm trying to give him solid/clear advice
[16:24] <bazhang> does not give straight answers, and gets very huffy if you question him in any fashion
[16:24] <ikonia> well aware of him, trying to be super clear
[16:45] <cody-somerville> my ari-tczew 'alarm' just went off in #ubuntu-devel
[16:45] <cody-somerville> I'll let you guys decide how you want to deal with it.
[16:45] <ikonia> cody-somerville: is there an issue with him ?
[16:46] <cody-somerville> He is banned from the Ubuntu community by the Community Council for disruptive conduct.
[16:46] <ikonia> ooh really,
[16:46] <ikonia> does that include IRC too ?
[16:46] <ikonia> (I'm guessing we missed the memo)
[16:47] <cody-somerville> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-April/032874.html
[16:47] <ikonia> silly question, but does he know ?
[16:47] <ikonia> has anyone told him ?
[16:48] <ikonia> I'll ask, it may be genuine mistake
[16:48] <cody-somerville> ikonia, Yes. He's also requested for the ban to be lifted recently and was told no because he continued to violate it by trying to participate on IRC.
[16:48] <cody-somerville> He also replied to the e-mail I linked to.
[16:48] <ikonia> cody-somerville: thanks
[16:49] <ikonia> I'll see what he says, and I guess refer it to the council as I can't see anyone with +o active at the moment
[16:50] <cody-somerville> Thanks. Cheers
[16:50] <Myrtti> I'm alive-ish
[16:50] <Myrtti> if you can't get a hold of IRCC or named ops
[16:50] <bazhang> hehe
[16:50] <ikonia> Myrtti: thanks, giving him change to respond so if you could be around, that would be helpful
[16:51] <Myrtti> although, I just took the pie from the oven and might go enjoy the fruits of my labour
[16:52] <ikonia> surly it needs to cool for a few minutes and you can spare me those few minutes ?
[16:53] <Myrtti> just ~= timeframe after taking the pie from the oven, plating it with salad with French peppery salami in it, informing the SO that the food is done and asking when his conference call ends and sitting down to IRC for a moment to wait for the said phonecall to end
[16:54] <ikonia> ok, so I'm on borrowed time
[16:54] <Myrtti> steak and ale pie, since I know some of you are interested.
[16:54] <ikonia> this guys not responded yet
[16:54] <Myrtti> I'm sure someone else will be around
[16:54] <Myrtti> if not, I've got my phone next to me
[16:55] <ikonia> well, I've never phoned for help before......
[16:55] <Myrtti> hehe, I just have irssi notifier app on my phone which alerts for hilights
[16:55] <Myrtti> and irssi connectbot
[16:56] <mneptok> this person found a new home - http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2012/09/index.en.html
[17:00] <tonyyarusso> postfixadmin is a new package?
[17:01] <tonyyarusso> huh, so it is.
[17:03] <mneptok> i wonder if you install "sendmailadmin" the package you get is a pre-tied noose in the mail.
[17:08] <Pici> ari-tczew removed and banned.
[17:12] <Myrtti> Pici: thanks
[17:24] <nixternal> jeesh, i remember dealing with ari like 4 years ago with the DMB & MOTU Council. and just last year they removed him totally? talk about fast :p
[17:27] <Pici> I thought it was way before then as well.
[17:32] <nixternal> irclogs show 2008 with him going for MOTU and being an issue and getting banned the first time
[19:14] <bazhang> * [wawowe] (~wawowe@cpe-098-026-101-114.nc.res.rr.com): wawowe
[19:14] <bazhang> Augh
[19:14] <Pici> I will ban him if he continues.
[19:20] <bazhang> but dpkg can fix everything     uh what?


[07:21] <kamilnadeem> Hi Everyone
[07:22] <kamilnadeem> MrChrisDruif isn't here , well the new post is out
[07:22] <kamilnadeem> http://mknadeem.blogspot.com/2011/12/kubuntu-1110-komprehensively-explored.html
[07:23] <kamilnadeem> If anyone meet him ,give my regards and also to holstein
[07:24] <pleia2> I think someone added the title to the document already, I'll make sure the link is in for review too
[07:25] <kamilnadeem> pleia2: Thanks
[07:30] <kamilnadeem> TC everyone
[08:00] <dholbach> good morning
[16:56] <dholbach> bkerensa, I was catching up with lots of stuff after my week off, so didn't get the update out today
[16:56] <dholbach> bkerensa, I'll do my best to get it out tomorrow
[16:56] <dholbach> bkerensa, I have a few ideas already, but if you want add anything else to it, please just do it
[17:02] <akgraner> dholbach, bkerensa thank you so much for these *AWESOME* updates...
[17:03] <dholbach> thanks a lot - I hope once we have the team fully up and running they'll be even better :)
[21:27] <akgraner> pleia2, in past years the issue we publish on Monday would be the last one for the year and we pick back up on the 2nd weekend of Jan
[21:27] <akgraner> the the 2nd weekend on Jan - we have a super long issue to kick off the year
[21:27] <akgraner> thoughts?
[21:27] <pleia2> akgraner: works for me :)
[21:28] <akgraner> k I'll draft up an paragraph for this issue then
[21:28] <akgraner> s/an/a
[21:28] <pleia2> maybe a note at the beginning of the one we release monday saying "Happy holidays, enjoy the break!"
[21:28] <pleia2> perfect!
[21:28] <akgraner> :-)
[21:28] <akgraner> also  - sorry about your cat :-( wish I could fix that for you
[21:28] <pleia2> thank you, it's been a really tough week (I keep hoping I'll wake up and it's all been a nightmare!)
[21:29] <pleia2> she should come home tomorrow though, and we'll take it one day at a time :)
[21:29] <akgraner> magic wands we all need those and fairy god mothers :-)
[21:30] <pleia2> indeed!
[21:30] <akgraner> well time for a band concert - got to luv middle school holiday band concerts - I have to drive 25 minutes for 10 minutes worth of music...so sad
[21:32] <pleia2> haha, enjoy :)
[21:42] <MrChrisDruif> pleia2; what happened to your cat? I must have missed some post on G+ or Facebook or something
[22:31]  * bkerensa tries to hunt down people for dev news interviews


[08:14] <dpm> good morning all
[08:17] <andrejz> morning dpm
[08:19] <dpm> heya andrejz :)
[14:37] <andrejz> Hello!
[14:37] <gtriderxc> HI
[14:37] <andrejz> Does anyone know where to translate manpages ?
[14:38] <dpm> hey andrejz, unfortunately, we cannot translate them in LP, as they are not supported by language packs. If at all, they are generally translatable where the upstream is
[14:39] <andrejz> ok, thanks
[14:39] <gtriderxc> man pages is ubuntu's help, isn't it?
[14:39] <gtriderxc> *are
[14:39] <andrejz> another question: is there a plan to offer a localised version of launchpad or ubuntu website ?
[14:43] <dpm> andrejz, tricky question. The will is there, but nor the resources to do it or a definite roadmap :)
[14:44] <andrejz> ok
[14:47] <andrejz> maybe we can put this up for discussion on 11.10 UDS


[03:29] <xqb> where is mousepad's config file, where the font information, number of spaces, and such is stored, located? is it ~/.config/Mousepad/accels.scm? also the same question for xterm-256color
[03:33] <xqb> for the terminal there is ~/.config/xfce4/terminal/terminalrc and also accels.scm, do I need accels.scm to be able to import my config later on, on a fresh install?
[03:55] <xqb> I don't have mousepadrc on my machine, do I need to create it?
[03:56] <xqb> if so, I did that, it doesn't work, the config is not changed
[03:56] <xqb> it's in ~/.config/Mousepad
[04:01] <krytarik> xqb: "Use GSettings to improve preference handling" - https://git.xfce.org/apps/mousepad/tree/NEWS
[04:02] <xqb> krytarik: not sure what are you referring to?
[05:24] <antimist> Just came here to say, that the issue that I had yesterday is now fixed
[05:24] <antimist> It was caused by the user level service of mpd (music player daemon)
[05:37] <antimist> simply put, it was of type notify, and I had to change to forking, while removing the --no-daemon flag
[11:13] <xubuntu91w> Hello
[16:24] <nasd4> anyone has problems with beamers with your linux xubuntu laptops or all good ?
[16:24] <nasd4> asking just for stats
[17:24] <uur> hi
[20:59] <xubuntu392> emuze se prihlasit ke svemu uctu
[21:00] <well_laid_lawn> !en
[21:00] <xubuntu392> guest-1utlBV@vladka-ThinkPad-T400:~/Plocha$
[21:01] <xubuntu392> vladka-ThinkPad-T400:


[01:56] <ScottK> apachelogger: That's not news.
[02:03] <ScottK> Riddell: Debian released and I published the news on kubuntu.org.
[03:23] <ahoneybun> hey guys/gals
[03:29] <ScottK> apachelogger: Got an actual apport report now for my kdepim-runtime crash: Bug #1176464
[03:30] <ScottK> (I left it private for the moment, but sucbribed you to it)
[03:46] <ahoneybun> hey ScottK did you see the wiki for Kubuntu Docs?
[03:47] <ScottK> ahoneybun: I have not.  I've been driving all day picking one of my daughters up from college.  Just got home and am a bit tired for any thinking.
[03:48] <ahoneybun> oh ok full load
[03:49] <ahoneybun> I want to say it is about half done
[03:57] <ahoneybun> can I get what you think about it?
[04:10] <ahoneybun> valorie: are you there?
[04:23] <valorie> I am
[04:24] <valorie> currently eating a snack, but will be with you shortly
[04:24] <valorie> you got my notes to you after you went to sleep last night, right?
[04:28] <ahoneybun> no I saw that you changed somethings but did not see what
[04:29] <valorie> read the backlog here
[04:30] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics
[04:32] <ahoneybun> upload images to the wiki, 1. Kubuntu 2. KDE 3. Linux ?
[04:34] <valorie> yup
[04:34] <valorie> the problem with having your images elsewhere, is what happens when that site is down, or the links change?
[04:36] <ahoneybun> I know, I'm looking into it now
[04:36] <ahoneybun> I fixed the link that was spelled wrong
[04:37] <valorie> hmmm, me too
[04:37] <valorie> not sure why it didn't stay fixed
[04:37] <valorie> I was logged in, etc.
[04:37] <ahoneybun> It took for me though
[04:38]  * valorie bows before ahoneybun's superior wiki power
[04:39] <ahoneybun> lol I just got lucky
[04:39] <ahoneybun> sadly I can only upload one thing at a time...
[04:41] <valorie> this is bizarre
[04:41] <ahoneybun> ?
[04:41] <valorie> that link still shows broken for me
[04:41] <valorie> even after control reload
[04:42] <ahoneybun> what link
[04:43] <valorie> #2 link at the top of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics
[04:43] <valorie> About Kubuntu
[04:44] <ahoneybun> page does not exist
[04:45] <valorie> look at the link
[04:45] <valorie> it's misspelled
[04:45] <valorie> but I've fixed it three times
[04:45] <valorie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtai/About
[04:45] <ahoneybun> now I see!
[04:47] <valorie> bizarre, eh?
[04:48] <ahoneybun> I fixed it
[04:48] <valorie> yay!
[04:48] <valorie> but what happened to the top image?
[04:49] <valorie> now it's enormous
[04:49] <ahoneybun> wrong one, fixed
[04:50] <valorie> nice
[04:50] <ahoneybun> yep that one on the main page /KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail is on the wiki
[04:53] <valorie> good deal
[04:54] <valorie> I'm setting up again to deal with docs from launchpad, because I want to read the xubuntu docs
[04:54] <valorie> and since this is a fresh install, I had lost my ssh setup, keypair and such
[04:55] <ahoneybun> deal with?
[04:55] <valorie> I had a copy of the kubuntu docs before, so I could edit them
[04:56] <valorie> not sure if any of my edits ever made it in, but I did email them to darkwing and jjesse
[04:57] <ahoneybun> I want to push my changes into my own branch
[04:57] <valorie> cool
[04:57] <valorie> I have no clue how to do that
[04:58] <valorie> but I'm working through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/SystemDocumentation again
[04:58] <ahoneybun> I was looking into it
[04:58] <ahoneybun> sweet, are people still using docbook?
[04:59] <valorie> all KDE documentation is in docbook
[04:59] <valorie> it's just xml
[04:59] <ahoneybun> just so you know the Basic page uses all images from the wiki now, no external links
[04:59] <valorie> super!
[05:00] <ahoneybun> yep
[05:00] <ahoneybun> these pages are going to be long
[05:01] <valorie> well
[05:01] <valorie> maybe we should have a tl;dr summary at the top of each page
[05:01] <valorie> so people can see if they want it or not
[05:01] <ahoneybun> I was thinking that, like the archlinux wiki
[05:02] <valorie> the archlinux wiki starts out sort of ok
[05:03] <valorie> then descends quickly into madness
[05:03] <valorie> but yeah, the beginning is worth looking at
[05:03] <valorie> I want ours FRIENDLY
[05:03] <ahoneybun> I wanted to have subsections in the table of contents
[05:03] <valorie> arch to me is not so friendly
[05:03] <ahoneybun> like 3. The Basics
[05:03] <ahoneybun> then
[05:04] <ahoneybun> then A. Desktop Customization
[05:04] <ahoneybun> B. Something
[05:04] <ahoneybun> C. Linux
[05:05] <valorie> or 3.1, 3.2, 3.3
[05:05] <ahoneybun> yea thats better
[05:05] <valorie> one caution: if the ToC gets too long, people click away
[05:06] <valorie> have you looked at userbase on kde.org at all?
[05:06] <ahoneybun> no, I don't know how to link to stuff in the page yet I was looking into it
[05:08] <valorie> i wrote the amarok handbook there, with the assistance of the old amarok wiki, and lots of GCi students
[05:08] <ahoneybun> I'm going to look at that page your working on
[05:08] <valorie> I'm working on a page?
[05:08] <valorie> oh, the system doc page
[05:08] <valorie> working *through* the page
[05:08] <valorie> not editing it
[05:08] <valorie> just to be clear
[05:09] <ahoneybun> nope not touching it just looking
[05:13] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics
[05:15] <ahoneybun> that ToC is going to get big
[05:21] <valorie> well, it might be better than to have a short one, and some sentences below with the link again
[05:22] <valorie> like: [The Basics] covers customizing your desktop, something, and the linux filesystem.
[05:22] <valorie> so you have a little para summing it up, instead of a big-ass ToC
[05:24] <ahoneybun> well I am not using a heading for everything right now to lower it
[05:28] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics
[05:31] <valorie> looks good, but I think those images should be smaller
[05:31] <valorie> like: half the size
[05:32] <valorie> consider that some people will be reading on phones and /or tablets
[05:33] <ahoneybun> I was looking into using thumbnails
[05:33] <valorie> those are great when someone might need to expand the image
[05:33] <valorie> these are so simple I don't think that is necessary
[05:34] <valorie> shrinking them will make the page load more quickly as well
[05:34] <valorie> so they aren't just displayed smaller, but ARE smaller
[05:35] <ahoneybun> so thats a good idea?
[05:39] <valorie> what's a good idea?
[05:40] <valorie> using thumbnails is great when people will need to make the images bigger to see necessary detail
[05:40] <valorie> like involved menus
[05:40] <ahoneybun> the thumbnail
[05:40] <valorie> otherwise, just smaller images are better
[05:40] <valorie> not tiny
[05:40] <valorie> just smaller
[05:40] <ahoneybun> refresh
[05:41] <valorie> look at userbase to see how people do it there
[05:41] <valorie> awesome
[05:42] <ahoneybun> what my changes?
[05:42] <valorie> the dir images could use a thumbnail
[05:42] <valorie> because some people will want to see detail
[05:42] <valorie> yes, the smaller images look great
[05:43] <ahoneybun> I used thumbnails on those ;)
[05:49] <valorie> cool
[05:51] <ahoneybun> ok refresg
[05:51] <ahoneybun> refresh
[05:53] <valorie> yeah, baby
[05:53] <valorie> those are readable to me as thumbnails already
[05:53] <valorie> excellent work!
[05:53] <valorie> launchpad still hasn't responded to my new key though
[05:53] <valorie> pfff
[05:54] <ahoneybun> thanks! and that is my last edit
[05:54] <ahoneybun> no more for now
[05:54] <valorie> cool
[05:55] <valorie> I'll try to finish working through that page, and get the xubuntu docs
[05:55] <valorie> stealing is always good
[05:56] <valorie> damn, launchpad is so much complicated than kde identity
[05:58] <ahoneybun> I can't get into my kde identify lol lost the info
[05:58] <valorie> ask the sysadmins
[05:58] <valorie> they are awesome indeed
[05:59] <valorie> it almost certainly will be your surname
[05:59] <valorie> but #kde-sysadmin knows all, sees all
[06:01] <ahoneybun> well it says it will email it to me but I never get it
[06:01] <valorie> dead email account, maybe?
[06:02] <valorie> they can check
[06:02] <valorie> awhile ago they made everyone with weak passwords reset them
[06:02] <ahoneybun> ok then I got it kinda I just don't understand the two-factor thing
[06:03] <ahoneybun> Please enter the token from position 'H1'
[06:03] <valorie> one of the sysadmins did a weak pass to break passwords
[06:03] <valorie> and all those that failed had to reset
[06:03] <valorie> mine failed
[06:03] <valorie> lol
[06:03] <valorie> woah
[06:03] <valorie> I've never seen that
[06:05] <ahoneybun> yea
[06:05] <valorie> they will help though
[06:07] <ahoneybun> ok
[06:07] <valorie> :-)
[06:09] <ahoneybun> "that means your account has two factor auth enabled"
[06:10] <ahoneybun> So I think the wiki is going well
[06:10] <valorie> me too
[06:10] <valorie> yes, I'm in that chan
[06:15] <ahoneybun> I'm going to bed now
[06:17] <ahoneybun> can I post our work on G+?
[06:20] <ahoneybun> valorie: can I post our work on G+?
[06:21] <valorie> sure!
[06:21] <ahoneybun> cool
[06:21] <valorie> the more help or even criticisms, the better
[06:23] <ahoneybun> https://plus.google.com/110525358571541799848/posts/294SmUFDtDU
[06:25] <ahoneybun> I need help to finish this
[06:25] <ahoneybun> we do
[06:25] <valorie> ok, I'm going to do some editing now
[06:25] <valorie> on the text
[06:26] <ahoneybun> I do the layout, you check and give ideas?
[06:27] <valorie> I can write, too
[06:28] <valorie> but lets steal all we can first
[06:28] <valorie> :-)
[06:28] <valorie> it's easier to get from over half to fully done
[06:28] <valorie> than write the whole thing from scratch
[06:31] <ahoneybun> I know lol anyway good night
[06:31] <valorie> niters
[06:32] <smartboyhw> Good afternoon Kubuntu people
[06:34] <valorie> afternoon, smartboyhw-from-the-future
[06:34] <valorie> coming up on midnight here
[06:35] <smartboyhw> valorie: Why am I from the future?
[06:35] <smartboyhw> …
[06:35]  * smartboyhw is a present-tensed human, IIRC.
[06:36] <valorie> because it's not even midnight yet!
[06:37] <valorie> you are across the international dateline from me
[06:37]  * valorie is near Seattle, in the northwest of the US
[06:37] <smartboyhw> valorie: LOL
[06:38]  * valorie waves across the Pacific
[06:38] <smartboyhw> valorie: :D
[08:10] <Riddell> cor valorie and ahoneybun seems to be really onto this documentation stuff
[08:11] <Riddell> yofel: did you set up the 4.10.3 build status?
[08:11] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: \o/
[08:12] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:12] <Riddell> hi smartboyhw_, lordievader
[08:13] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, how are you doing?
[08:13] <Riddell> bright and breezy in the sun
[08:14] <lordievader> Sounds like you are doing good :D
[08:14] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: Good afternoon
[08:15] <lordievader> Hey smartboyhw_
[08:18] <valorie> Riddell: he's on fire
[08:19] <valorie> I'm happy to help edit or even write, if he's willing to deal with the horrible wiki markup part
[08:19] <smartboyhw_> valorie: +1
[08:20] <valorie> it breaks my brain to deal with more than one wiki markup system
[08:20] <Riddell> http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/4.10.3.html
[08:21] <Riddell> smartboyhw_: go fixage :)
[08:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the sessionthread bug was not fixed
[08:22] <apachelogger>   connect( m_socket, SIGNAL(error(KTcpSocket::Error)),
[08:22] <apachelogger>            this, SLOT(socketError(KTcpSocket::Error)) );
[08:22] <apachelogger> that's what I see in master even.....
[08:27] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: Meh no
[08:27] <smartboyhw_> Mobile
[08:28] <smartboyhw__> Doing Physics exercises
[08:29] <smartboyhw__> Riddell: That's a small number of packages as far as I can see here
[08:32] <smartboyhw__> kactivities has a failed nepomuk
[09:05] <yofel> Riddell: yes
[09:06] <Riddell> yofel: where?
[09:06] <yofel> the pad has the links
[09:06] <Riddell> ah hah
[09:06] <Riddell> http://kyofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.10.3_raring.html
[09:06] <Riddell> my browser history is getting confused between kyofel and yofel.d.o
[09:07] <yofel> heh
[09:07] <yofel> well, mine too...
[09:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell: yofel: LOL
[09:18] <apachelogger> xnox, ScottK: kde-wrkspace with the fix is in proposed
[09:19] <apachelogger> it's just not building
[09:24] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: :O
[09:27] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: Boost problems again right?
[09:44] <apachelogger> yeah
[09:44] <apachelogger> ScottK: I think that for a proper solution this bug needs to go upstream
[09:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: also please try http://paste.kde.org/737960/ and check what results that has
[09:48] <apachelogger> i.e. it fixes the crash, but I am not sure it will not have unintended consequences
[09:51] <smartboyhw> Heh, good one shared by Randall Ross
[09:51] <smartboyhw> http://www.saucysalamander.com/ourcafe.asp
[09:52] <Quintasan> hello
[09:52] <smartboyhw> Hello Quintasan
[09:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: the patch is gone!
[09:56] <Riddell> if you watch porn in dragon it doesn't get added to the history, how unintuitive!
[09:56] <apachelogger> that's what I said :P
[09:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell: apachelogger: You guys watch these things?
[09:58]  * smartboyhw decides to kill them
[09:58] <smartboyhw> them = Riddell and apachelogger
[09:58] <Riddell> you should see the decoration in this villa
[09:58] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Eh? BTW is shadeslayer sitting next to you again?
[09:58] <shadeslayer> haha
[09:58] <shadeslayer> yes
[09:59] <Riddell> apachelogger is buffering me from him
[10:00] <smartboyhw> Riddell: ROFL
[10:00] <Quintasan> lololololo
[10:02] <apachelogger> did you have a fight?
[10:02]  * smartboyhw decides to send a nuclear bomb to where Riddell & shadeslayer & apachelogger is
[10:02] <smartboyhw> sudo scp ~/bomb/riddell&shadeslayer&apachelogger.bomb ip:[whois:Riddell/ip]
[10:02] <smartboyhw> ROFL
[10:02] <apachelogger> why would you sudo that? :O
[10:02] <shadeslayer> ^^
[10:03] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: To make sure Quintasan doesn't deny access.
[10:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: ssh!
[10:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: alex is talking!
[10:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: shadeslayer is breaiing personviewer
[10:03] <apachelogger> intentionally!
[10:03]  * smartboyhw sends yet another (nuclear) bomb
[10:03] <shadeslayer> I am not
[10:03] <shadeslayer> I am waiting for Martin to push patches
[10:03] <shadeslayer> Martin broke it
[10:03] <Quintasan> You're just being lazy shadeslayer
[10:03] <Quintasan> admin it
[10:03] <shadeslayer> nope
[10:03] <Quintasan> admit it even*
[10:04] <smartboyhw> OK stop it girls…
[10:04] <Quintasan> We all know it's true anyways :P
[10:05] <smartboyhw> Hmm it worked
[10:10] <apachelogger> Quintasan: he is
[10:43] <Riddell> seaLne: yo, is the kubuntu at akademy on monday confirmed?
[10:43] <Riddell> could I get something on the akademy website (just to make it feel more official, say no if it's hassle)
[10:43] <seaLne> Riddell: yes its confirmed, not sure how to represent it best on the website, once we've sorted out the rooms we are using it will go in the schedule beside the talks along with bofs
[10:44] <seaLne> the list of group room requests are currently just in etherpad
[10:57] <Riddell> groovy
[11:02] <seaLne> Riddell: https://conf.kde.org/en/Akademy2013/public/schedule/2013-07-15
[11:02] <seaLne> you'll actually have it till 1900 but the system dosen't currently allow events that long
[11:05] <seaLne> Riddell: i think if you login to frab you should be able to edit https://conf.kde.org/en/Akademy2013/events/76 to give it a desciption etc
[11:19] <Riddell> hmm no I don't see to be able to
[11:23] <seaLne> Riddell: what about now?
[11:26] <seaLne> does it show up in https://conf.kde.org/en/Akademy2013/cfp
[11:32] <Riddell> seaLne: lovely thanks
[11:40] <BluesKaj> HI all
[12:32] <smartboyhw> bye, no battery
[12:51] <ScottK> apachelogger: Could you ask someone from upstream to have a look before I try it?  This is my main $work laptop where I'm having the trouble and I'm slightly reluctant to try unreviewed patches on it.
[13:19] <smartboyhw> Anything I missed?
[13:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: tell ervin to come on irc
[13:32] <shadeslayer> can't
[13:32] <shadeslayer> too far
[13:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: tell jr to tell aurelien to tell alex to tell kevin then
[13:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[13:34] <apachelogger> alternatively open http://paste.kde.org/737960/ and show it to him
[13:37] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: Can you take care of the FloodBot mess in #kubuntu ?
[13:37] <apachelogger> nope
[13:37] <smartboyhw> The 3 bots are getting haywire…
[13:38] <apachelogger> I am not running the bots
[13:38] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: Who is?
[13:38] <apachelogger> no clue
[13:38] <smartboyhw> …
[13:38] <apachelogger> I forwarded it to the ops team
[13:38] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: Thx;)
[13:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what'd kevin say? :P
[13:44] <shadeslayer> ...
[13:44] <shadeslayer> didn't ping him, was testing phonon on the N7
[13:44] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: ^^
[13:44] <shadeslayer> QML doesn't work though
[13:45] <shadeslayer> no idea why -.-
[13:58] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: what?
[13:58] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: we can run Kubuntu Active
[13:59] <shadeslayer> except touch + Plasma Active doesn't quite work
[13:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: PATCH!?!?!?!
[13:59] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also does the active userspace work?
[14:00] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: yes
[14:00] <apachelogger> also is that quantal or raring?
[14:00] <shadeslayer> erm
[14:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes
[14:00] <shadeslayer> raring
[14:00] <shadeslayer> QWidgets work, QML inside QWidgets work
[14:01] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: nice for you lol I could not get it to work
[14:01] <shadeslayer> plasma active pure QML doesn't work
[14:04] <ahoneybun> like I said I can;t get to the boot anyway'
[14:04] <shadeslayer> you need to flash the rootfs and the kernel
[14:04] <shadeslayer> and then it'll boot to a blank screen
[14:05] <ahoneybun> how so?
[14:05] <shadeslayer> there's no user on the system
[14:05] <shadeslayer> and oem-config doesn't start afaict
[14:05] <shadeslayer> so I chrooted into the rootfs from recovery, created a user, and started it via usb  serial
[14:06] <shadeslayer> it = plasma active
[14:06] <ahoneybun> oh boy
[14:06] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics
[14:07] <shadeslayer> cool :)
[14:07] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun: Nice worj
[14:07] <smartboyhw> *work
[14:07] <shadeslayer> yeah ^^
[14:09] <ahoneybun> oh yea!
[14:11] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: I also moved all the images in the wiki not external links anymore
[14:11] <shadeslayer> cool
[14:12] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun: Awesome!
[14:12] <ahoneybun> yep
[14:12] <ahoneybun> sadly that page is not done yet
[14:12] <ahoneybun> maybe 20%
[14:13] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: have you gotten the same good news from the n10?
[14:29] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: nope
[14:29] <shadeslayer> playing with the n7 today since I won't have access to it later
[14:31] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[15:20] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1176550] task manager highlights windows incorrectly @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1176550 (by Sebastian Bugiu)
[15:43] <Quintasan> ScottK: Any idea what would happen in Ubuntu if Debian switched to systemd? The only reason I see for using Upstart is that Debian still has sysvinit but that's hardly a valid reason now that systemd beats Upstart in every aspect
[15:51] <Riddell> Quintasan: I'm not sure it's fair to put a questions like that on ScottK's shoulders :)
[15:51] <Riddell> the main reason for upstart I think is "we wuz first"
[15:52] <Quintasan> Riddell: That's not a valid arugment IMO, at least if you claim you don't suffer from the NIH syndrome
[15:52] <Riddell> but it was discussed a bit here yesterday if kubuntu could switch without ubuntu unity switching (purely as a theoretical question)
[15:52] <Riddell> Quintasan: it was red hat's NIH first
[15:53] <Quintasan> Riddell: Uhh, you lost me at Red Hat's NIH
[15:54] <Riddell> upstart came first
[15:54] <Riddell> then red hat via lennart made systemd
[15:54] <Riddell> so they were NIH first
[15:54] <Quintasan> Yeah, buy even after all those years of developement it's still worse than systemd :P
[15:54] <Riddell> in what way?
[15:55] <sreich> upstart isn't even any good -_-
[15:55] <Riddell> what's wrong with it?
[15:55] <Quintasan> I believe in almost every way including startup time rbelem
[15:55] <sreich> i mean compared to systemd, being so young, upstart is horrible
[15:55] <Quintasan> Riddell*
[15:55] <sreich> i think the real question is "what's better about it than sysvinit"?
[15:56] <Quintasan> There was some comparisions made but I'm not an expert on that so I can't say how true those are
[15:58] <sreich> i mean, does upstart even have a journal daemon?
[15:58] <sreich> because that's a huge feature right there in itself.
[15:58] <Quintasan> If systemd devs were claiming their software can do something while it can't the community would point that out very quickly
[15:58] <Quintasan> AFAIR not
[15:58] <Quintasan> Riddell: I was just wondering, I don't know if we could just go ahead and switch to systemd
[15:59] <Riddell> Quintasan: that's a lot of QA
[15:59] <Riddell> making sure it works and can revert back to upstart if you install it
[16:00] <Riddell> it's hardly our speciality
[16:00] <Riddell> and there's no paticular reason for it
[16:00] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'm more interested if we have the freedom to do it as a part of Ubuntu right now
[16:01] <sreich> upstart in general just seems like a couple things on top of sysvinit, not really rewriting from the ground up
[16:01] <sreich> and here's a good  run down of the features http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html
[16:01] <sreich> (from systemd devs themselves)
[16:01] <Riddell> Quintasan: we can do whatever we like but we'll get no support from foundations for diverging from them
[16:01] <sreich> the snapshots are cool as well.
[16:02] <Quintasan> Riddell: I see.
[16:02] <Riddell> if we run into a problem they'll just laugh at us
[16:02] <Quintasan> So we could actually do that if we were able to pull it off but we can't so no point considering that
[16:16] <Riddell> Quintasan: we could but it's not worth the risk
[16:17] <sreich> yeah, kinda silly imho
[16:18] <sreich> you'd be better off rebasing kubuntu on another distro ;)
[16:43] <ScottK> Quintasan: In fact, there were (IIRC) 2 fecora releases that used upstart.
[16:45] <ScottK> Quintasan: I believe that the plan for Debian for Jessie is to work to make it so people can use sysvinit, upstart, systemd, or whatever (there are other contenders too, like openrc).
[16:46] <ScottK> Also, Ubuntu is already using some parts of systemd, I don't know details.
[18:33] <yofel> Quintasan: if you want to try debian with systemd then play with tanglu once that's in a usable state. That will  use systemd by default
[18:34]  * yofel certainly prefers systemd's service status overview over upstart's
[18:39] <yofel> as for the parts of systemd that we're using.. Ubuntu plans to switch to logind for 13.10, we should follow suite so we can deprecate consolekit
[20:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 1124149
[20:32] <kubotu> feed workspace-bugs had 6 updates, showing the latest 3
[20:32] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1168578] Date & Time in System settings doesn't saves NTP-server address @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1168578 (by BakLAN)
[20:32] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1176149] battery monitor does not detect battery after wake @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1176149 (by Alvin)
[20:32] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1176550] task manager highlights windows incorrectly @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1176550 (by Sebastian Bugiu)


[13:31] <DammitJim> what would be the best way to grab files from a windows server to place them on another windows server?
[13:31] <DammitJim> having samba mounts for both servers?
[14:00] <DammitJim> how do I keep credentials secure for automount of windows shares (samba)