[00:00] <computergeeksjw> acicula over at #ubuntu solver my problem: Add to panel, indicator applet
[00:13] <ovrflw0x> how do i install tomcat 7 on ubuntu 10.10 pre-release?
[00:18] <Ken8521> how did you install it on 10.04?
[00:20] <SaRy> is tomcat 7 out yet ..
[00:22] <SaRy> it is , but not Stable.
[00:25] <androidbruce|lap> tomcat is for apache right?
[00:26] <SaRy> Right.
[00:28] <SaRy> guys , look here http://bit.ly/9WHoli
[00:29] <Typh> Ok, so I installed meerkat on monday, but it doesn't seem to have installed a bootloader. I can boot if I use the installer usb stick, but not without it. Tips? :)
[00:29] <Ken8521> Typh, is it a single boot, or dual boot machine?
[00:30] <Typh> single boot
[00:30] <Ken8521> what is it doing when it "doesn't boot"
[00:30] <Ken8521> becasue grub doesn't show on a single boot machine
[00:31] <Ken8521> i guess my point is, are you letting it set a second, befoer turning it off because you're not seeing grub?
[00:31] <Typh> Blank screen, blinking cursor. Nothing terribly useful.
[00:31] <SaRy> ovrflw0x, http://bit.ly/a9FOii ,
[00:31] <Ken8521> ok... again, how long are you letting it set?
[00:31] <Typh> And yeah, I've let it sit for quite a while
[00:32] <Typh> 15 minutes at the longest, I would guess
[00:32] <Ken8521> well, 15min, it should've booted
[00:35] <Typh> hrm
[01:09] <StrontiumDog> Hi, I installed 10.10 from alternate install from USB.  Everything seemed to go fine.  But it boots to a command line, not the gui, and does not start the network.  How do I fix??
[01:09] <StrontiumDog> I can find no posts on this anywhere
[01:10] <StrontiumDog> This is a brand new PC and a total clean install to HDD
[01:11] <StrontiumDog> or even what should i look for that could be causing the problem.  I thougt it might be stuck in the wrong runlevel but ubuntu doesnt seem to have the concept of runlevel except for compatability purposes
[01:16] <StrontiumDog> SaRy, i looked at the post you pointed me to, I am not sure what WUBI is but I dont think I am using it, this is a clean install to a HDD
[01:16] <StrontiumDog> I think my problems with X are symptomatic of my overall problem where it wont boot into X and wont start the network
[01:21] <StrontiumDog> and now i am getting rampant "Sorry, Ubuntu One closed unexpectedly" errors
[01:26] <yofel> StrontiumDog: you used the desktop alternate image right?
[01:27] <yofel> StrontiumDog: and what does 'initctl status gdm' tell you?
[01:28] <yofel> about runlevels, upstart doesn't really use them anymore right, for everything else: the default is 2 and 2 - 5 are all the same
[01:30] <kandinski> I have a working Ubuntu Maverick install that's terminal-only. I installed ubuntu-gnome and nvidia-current with all the dependencies and then did a sudo nvidia-xconfig, but when I try to sudo startx it says it can't find the nvidia module, what do I need to do next?
[01:31] <kandinski> the error itself is "Failed to load module 'nvidia'" and then "No drivers available"
[01:31] <bjsnider> kandinski, dkms status
[01:33] <StrontiumDog> yofel, the iso was: ubuntu-10.10-beta-alternate-amd64.iso
[01:33] <kandinski> bjsnider: thanks
[01:34] <kandinski> I am rebooting now
[01:34] <kandinski> another problem is that it crashes randomly
[01:34] <kandinski> (not under Windows, so not a hardware pboblem)
[01:34] <bjsnider> i need to know what that command says
[01:34] <yofel> StrontiumDog: ok, what does 'sudo service gdm restart' do?
[01:35] <kandinski> bjsnider: yeah, I meant that as an excuse for not reporting back: it's rebooting...
[01:35] <StrontiumDog> yofel, initctl status gdm says "initctl: Unable to connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
[01:36] <kandinski> nvidia-current, 256.3, 2.6.35-22-generic, x86-64, installed
[01:36] <yofel> ok... and what does restarting gdm do? if anything
[01:36] <bjsnider> kandinski, and now uname -r
[01:36] <StrontiumDog> yofel, sudo service gdm restart says "restart: Unknown instance:"
[01:37] <yofel> StrontiumDog: and 'sudo service gdm start' ?
[01:37] <StrontiumDog> yofel "gdm start/running, process 24232"
[01:38] <yofel> StrontiumDog: and is X now running? or still nothing?
[01:39] <yofel> any error in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[01:39] <kandinski> bjsnider: bingo. it says 2.6.35-19-generic, so a different kernel
[01:39] <cozziemoto> small thing...noticed  kpat animation is slowed way down from lucids version...who would i speak to about this?
[01:39] <cozziemoto> which developer?
[01:39] <bjsnider> evidently so
[01:39] <bjsnider> for som reason you're booting an older kernel
[01:39] <kandinski> bjsnider: thanks, how should I go from now?
[01:40] <StrontiumDog> yofel, I ran X manually with startx before, I can startx no problem, but things crash and generally misbehave.  I will shut it down and see if start gdm does what it should.
[01:40] <bjsnider> kandinski, check your grub list to make sure that kernel is there
[01:40] <yofel> StrontiumDog: how are you trying to connect to the network? wireless or wired?
[01:41] <StrontiumDog> wired network.  I can force a connection using ifconfig and route add default... but it doesnt come up automatically
[01:41] <kandinski> bjsnider: thanks, will do
[01:41] <rmrfslash> What's the story with hybrid graphics support in 10.10 (or I suppose in Linux in general). I read about some vga-switcheroo utility but not so sure if it is expected to make the cut.
[01:41] <yofel> StrontiumDog: odd, did you install updates? the beta is quite old
[01:41] <rmrfslash> any insights?
[01:42] <bjsnider> kandinski, check cat /boot/grub/*.cfg and if the -22 kernel isn't there run sudo update-grub
[01:42] <StrontiumDog> yes i did sudo apt-get update and then upgrade and then dist-upgrade and then update again and so on
[01:45] <Artemis3> argh, when booting i'm getting stuck at "Checking battery state [ OK ]" any ideas?
[01:47] <kandinski> bjsnider: update-grub was not installed
[01:48] <kandinski> and can't find an insall candidate
[01:49] <yofel> StrontiumDog: then I don't know what goes wrong, you could remove 'quiet splash' from the kernel grub line and add --verbose to get upstart to tell you what it does during boot
[01:50] <yofel> kandinski: update-grub is part of 'grub-pc'
[01:50] <yofel> and this *should* be installed
[01:50] <kandinski> yofel: I guess it should, but it wasn't. Thanks for the tip, installing now
[01:51] <StrontiumDog> yofel, thanks for the tip will try it out
[01:53] <kandinski> bjsnider and yofel, thanks, it's booting now into X, no problem
[01:53] <bjsnider> upgrade must have become borked
[01:56] <DanaG> Oooh, ubuntu font is nice.
[01:57] <DanaG> It's a bit thin, though.  Really thin strokes.
[01:57] <DanaG> At least in Thunderbird, that is.
[01:58] <kandinski> bjsnider: I get a lot of crashes, so maybe grub-pc fell through the cracks
[01:58] <bjsnider> maybe a lot of things did
[01:59] <bjsnider> is ubuntu-desktop installed?
[01:59] <bjsnider> DanaG, only flaw is no monospace version for 6 months
[02:01] <kandinski> bjsnider: it is after I installed ubuntu-gnome
[02:02] <DanaG> It's also really thin compared to most desktop fonts.
[02:02] <DanaG> It's starting to grow on me, though.
[02:02] <bjsnider> it's designed for use at small sizes
[02:03] <bjsnider> but it looks good big too
[02:03] <yofel> looks nice IMO, takes a bit getting used to when looking at launchpad now though ^^
[02:10] <GA_Bull> I can't remember how to make applications run at start...
[02:21] <kandinski> new ubuntu font looks a bit like Dax
[02:22] <kandinski> don't see myself using it for copy, but for headlines
[02:22] <kandinski> what do you think?
[02:27] <lunks> Is there anything similar to rainlendar for Gnome?
[03:05] <StrontiumDog> yofel, these are the thing --verbose threw up which look suspicious: "init:ureadahead-other main process (1052) terminated with status 4" "init: dbus pre-start process (1053) terminated with status 1"
[03:05] <StrontiumDog> googling now
[03:06] <yofel> first one is ok, 4 is not an error
[03:07] <yofel> and the dbus pre-start script is only 3 commands:
[03:07] <yofel>    mkdir -p /var/run/dbus
[03:07] <yofel>     chown messagebus:messagebus /var/run/dbus
[03:07] <yofel>     exec dbus-uuidgen --ensure
[03:08] <yofel> StrontiumDog: can you running them and see which one fails?
[03:15] <StrontiumDog> yofel: doing that now
[03:18] <StrontiumDog> yofel: Last line reports "UUID file '/var/lib/dbus/machine-id' should contain a hex string of length 32, not length 0 with no other text"
[03:18] <aroman> Realistically, what is the difference between the RC tomorrow and the GM? Any reason I SHOULDN'T install it on my desktop?
[03:19] <yofel> gm?
[03:19] <yofel> if you mean todays daily build: no difference
[03:20] <yofel> well, almost, todays daily builds are the candidate images for the RC, if no grave issues are found they'll be released
[03:21] <yofel> StrontiumDog: what does the file have for you?  or does it even exist
[03:23] <StrontiumDog> machine-id exists but is empty
[03:23] <yofel> as I understand the manpage, dbus-uuidgen --ensure should create the file with a sane UUID if it's missing
[03:23] <yofel> odd
[03:24] <StrontiumDog> I have a machine-id.at4HwEMP file and it has a 32 digit hex string in it
[03:24] <yofel> o.O
[03:25] <yofel> can you delete both files and try 'sudo start dbus' ?
[03:25] <yofel> and see if the file has a correct UUID after that
[03:26] <aroman> yofel, GM = gold master = final
[03:27] <StrontiumDog> yofel, after i started dbus my screen went blank and the hard drive churned a bit.  I will reboot cause at the moment I am flying blind.
[03:28] <DanaG> hmm, that new ubuntu font...
[03:28] <DanaG> the 'l' looks underlined!
[03:29] <yofel> it does? looks fine here, well, it's barely recognisable as an l since it's so thin
[03:34] <aroman> Is anyone here using the very-latest build of Maverick?
[03:34] <yofel> well, everyone here should have all updates installed, why?
[03:35] <aroman> wondering if there's any outstanding bugs.. I'm not sure where to find a running buglist.
[03:36] <GA_Bull> well, there are lots of bugs...
[03:36] <GA_Bull> !launchpad
[03:36] <GA_Bull> the bug list should be on there.
[03:36] <aroman> erm, i know _that_. I was wondering about outstanding bugs that are known and planned to be fixed before maverick launches
[03:37] <GA_Bull> Hmm... don't know how to tell ya that.
[03:37] <yofel> aroman: see the list of bugs that are specifically tracked for maverick https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+bugs the list of filed bugs is a lot larger though
[03:37] <GA_Bull> I haven't had any problems after these last updates...
[03:38] <aroman> that's a pretty disconcerting list lol
[03:38] <GA_Bull> well, except for compiz freaking out. but it's compiz... it's always done that for me.
[03:38] <Blue11> i have an nvidia card (01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) but it can't find any hardware drivers.  Is there an issue with 10.10?
[03:38] <aroman> tons of high bugs unresolved.
[03:38] <aroman> GA_Bull, What gfx card do you have?
[03:38] <yofel> iirc, the list for lucid was longer..
[03:39] <yofel> Blue11: afaik the legacy drivers don't support the new xserver yet
[03:39] <Blue11> yofel: thanks that saved me eons of wondering why....
[03:39] <GA_Bull> aroman, not sure right now, i'm working with two recently acquired computers, and taking an algebra exam, and writing an essay right now... so couldn't really tell you off the top of my head.
[03:40] <yofel> 'lspci | grep VGA' lists the gfx card
[03:40] <aroman> Ah okay. If you get a chance to find out, and if you've got an ATI card, try pulling the very latest from their drivers page.. they have pretty frequent updates for linux
[03:40] <DanaG> Actually, wrong on that ATI bit...
[03:40] <DanaG> Maverick repos have Catalyst 10.10.
[03:40] <DanaG> It's not available anywhere else.
[03:41] <aroman> oh snap -- really?
[03:41] <aroman> and it's not on ati.com..
[03:41] <aroman> ?
[03:41] <GA_Bull> hmm... well I fixed it last time, it was previously a problem with blacklisting... but that's probably been fixed by now... it's not important, I don't need compiz-config...
[03:41] <GA_Bull> haha.
[03:42] <aroman> :)
[03:43] <StrontiumDog> yofel, that fixed it, my black screen was caused by an xorg.conf error.  xorg now fired up after boot and networking works.  I also now only have a single machine-id file and its got the required 32 character hex string in it.  Thankyou very much for your help.
[03:43] <yofel> nice to hear, wonder how that happened though...
[03:44] <GA_Bull> so, my netbook is now my desktop, running 10.10... seems to work well. I gave up on the stupid Unity thing... it sucked. and I don't ever use my netbook, so hooked it up to a 24" monitor and put it on my desk. problem solved.
[03:44] <GA_Bull> only question now is anybody know how to keep it from blanking the screen when it's closed, when you're using an external monitor.
[03:46] <Volkodav> not a whole lot of updates - looks like we are in RC mode pretty much
[03:50] <Ivis> Hi can i upgrade to 10.10 alredy ?
[03:51] <StrontiumDog> yofel, i dont know its how it came up fresh after a brand new install
[03:51] <StrontiumDog> yofel: thank you very much I really appreciate your help.
[03:51] <yofel> you're welcome
[03:51] <Crankygeek> Anyone having issues installing Team Viewer in 10.10?
[03:52] <yofel> Ivis: 'sudo update-manager -d' or 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d' (latter to upgrade from a terminal)
[03:53] <Ivis> yofel, thanks
[03:53] <Crankygeek> Anyone having issues installing Team Viewer in 10.10?
[03:53] <doc|home> any idea why gnome-desktop might be getting held back?
[03:57] <Crankygeek> Anyone else have any problems installing Team Viewer in 10.10?
[04:01] <yofel> Crankygeek: what's the package name? I can't find it in the archive
[04:03] <Crankygeek> Ohh, it's from Teamviewer.com
[04:39] <intrader> I am looking into inconsistencies of the manner in which 10.10 is treating shells scripts (like Pharo.sh).  I have just tried OpenSolaris, Fedora, Mandriva, ubuntu 9.04 and mint. They all show a context menu of 'Open' for this script file. Ubuntu 10.10 does not - Further all those distributions load the Pharo IDE without problem. When I change the property of the file to executable, then the context menu shows 'Open', but the exe
[04:39] <intrader> cution does not open the IDE.
[04:40] <intrader> Mint is interesting in that it forces the checkbox to set (in the properties menu)
[04:40] <StrontiumDog> anyone have any idea why the bluetooth icon on my screen says bluetooth is enabled, but the bluetooth preferences dialog says its disabled and when i press "Turn on bluetooth" nothing happens???
[04:44] <intrader> Anyone, I am looking into inconsistencies of the manner in which 10.10 is treating shells scripts (like Pharo.sh).  I have just tried OpenSolaris, Fedora, Mandriva, ubuntu 9.04 and mint. They all show a context menu of 'Open' for this script file. Ubuntu 10.10 does not - Further all those distributions load the Pharo IDE without problem. When I change the property of the file to executable, then the context menu shows 'Open', but
[04:44] <intrader>  the execution does not open the IDE.
[04:47] <dli> StrontiumDog, not ubuntu specific, but check: 1, bluetooth enabled in BIOS; 2, bluetooth driver loaded for kernel; 3. bluetooth started in services(init)
[04:47] <kklimonda> intrader: have you reported it?
[04:48] <intrader> kklimonda, no, #ubuntu-bugs want to discuss this here.
[04:49] <DanaG> Hmm, that new Ubuntu font... the letter 'c' in the Firefox titlebar makes me think I have some smudges on my screen.  It has little blobs on the inside of the right two ends of the letter.
[04:51] <intrader> kklimonda, trying again.
[04:51] <kklimonda> intrader: it's most likely a change made by GNOME, they did the same with running "untrusted" desktop files. A problem with IDE not running most likely isn't related to that
[04:53] <intrader> kklimonda, in my opinion, it is incorrect to handle script files that way. The '#!/usr/bin/sh' first line demands special treatment.
[04:53] <kklimonda> intrader: only if it has a +x bit set
[04:54] <kklimonda> even in terminal you can't launch script directly if it doesn't have execute bit set
[04:54] <glebihan> intrader: plus I don't know about other distributions, but sh is in /bin not /usr/bin in ubuntu
[04:58] <DaveWM> anybody use GRUB_CMDLINE...blah=".. with "nosplash text" as parameter on maverick ?  after doing update-rc.d -f gdm remove,  and plymouth remove,   apt-get remove gdm,    during bootup,  short before it goes to text login,  the screen still flashes a splash for a second,  display changes in some way
[04:58] <StrontiumDog> dli interestingly I tried to install blueman and it installed OK, BUT it did not conflict with the standard bluetooth manager and now i have them both running.  This would seem to be a packaging problem, no?
[04:58] <intrader> glebihan, sorry my mistake - I could include a pastebin to be accurate
[04:58] <DaveWM> I'm trying to figure out what's doing that
[04:58] <glebihan> intrader: yes could you do that ? I'd like to see the script
[04:59] <intrader> kklimonda, not in any of the other mentioned distributions - they don't need the +x. If you set it then 10.10 offers the 'Open' context menu
[04:59] <dli> StrontiumDog, blueman is just a GUI frontend, check your bluez installation
[05:00] <intrader> glebihan, could you remind me of the pastebin url for ubuntu?
[05:00] <glebihan> intrader: paste.ubuntu.com
[05:01] <glebihan> DaveWM: I don't think the nosplash option is recognized, to disable the splash screen, you should just need not to set the splash option
[05:02] <intrader> glebihan, done, here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/503006/
[05:02] <glebihan> DaveWM: My GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX is empty and I don't have a splash screen
[05:04] <intrader> glebihan, as mentioned I tried all those distributions with the +x not set! In the case of mint, it forces the checkbox to set.
[05:07] <intrader> glebihan, miint is KDE, the rest of them use GNOME
[05:09] <intrader> kklimonda, I concur with you that the problem of the pharo IDE not coming up is probably incompatible squeak (the VM for Smalltalk)
[05:09] <glebihan> intrader: just a test, try replacing the content of pharo.sh by this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/503009/
[05:10] <intrader> glebihan, with the contents of this of the pastebin?
[05:10] <glebihan> intrader: yes
[05:10] <DaveWM> glebihan : just figured it out,  it was indeed plymouth,  did mv /etc/init/plymouth* ~ to move all the plymouth conf files out,  and rebooted,  no splash ( not even a screen flicker ) on shutdown or reboot now
[05:11] <glebihan> DaveWM: ok nice
[05:11] <DaveWM> also,  you're right,  i changed my grub arguments to just "text"  didnt need "nosplash"  or anything else
[05:12] <intrader> glebihan, 10.10 does not offer the context menu 'Open'
[05:12] <kklimonda> intrader: but it's an upstream change afaics
[05:13] <glebihan> intrader: it should...
[05:13] <glebihan> intrader: use command-line to open the file if you can't get to do it otherwise
[05:14] <intrader> glebihan, does not allow me to change the executable bit from the context properties dialog
[05:14] <glebihan> intrader: that's probably because you don't have rights, do it as root
[05:15] <glebihan> intrader: same thing for opening the file btw
[05:16] <intrader> glebihan, I must discontinue this for the moment, my wife is calling. I have copied the pharo folder to the desktop and will do so later. thanks
[05:16] <glebihan> intrader: you're welcome, don't hesitate to get back to me later if you need to
[05:18] <DanaG> argh, any time I try to alt-f2 and open some thing in Pictures, which is a symlink to my ntfs partition, it tries to execute it instead of using gnome-open.
[05:19] <DanaG> And any time I try to install an app in Wine from a CD, I'm screwed... you can't set +x
[05:19] <kklimonda> it's a sign not to use wine ;)
[05:20] <DanaG> yeah, and it thoroughly devours 100% of one CPU core when run through PulseAudio.
[05:20] <glebihan> DanaG: force use of gnome-open, files on ntfs partition are considered as executable
[05:20] <DanaG> Even native OpenAL apps don't do that!
[05:20] <DanaG> Now, KDE can be even weirder... it'll try to "execute" a directory.
[05:36] <aroman> Anyone here using 2.6.35 with a laptop?
[05:36] <DanaG> Let me guess: touchpad issues?
[05:37] <aroman> Nope, wondering about the async suspend/resume thing.
[05:37] <DanaG> ah.
[05:37] <aroman> It's in 2.6.35.. right?
[05:37] <DanaG> I don't actually know what "async suspend/resume" is.
[05:38] <aroman> Because that sounds like a feature that needs some hyping.. the slow suspend/resume esp. when closing the lid has always been aa annoyance for lots of people
[05:38] <aroman> oh, so have you ever used Linux on a laptop?
[05:43] <DanaG> I'm just not sure what you mean by "async" (asychronous), specifically.
[05:43] <DanaG> I do use suspend/resume all the time.
[05:45] <aroman> On a laptop?
[05:45] <aroman> The idea of the async system is to speed up suspend/resume times, primarily.
[05:46] <aroman> It has been in progress 2 years to my knowledge, but most versions have been brutally shot down by Linus, and I'm not exaggerating.
[05:46] <aroman> I was curious to find out if it does, in fact, speed up suspend/resume times significantly
[05:51] <DanaG> Hmm, I'm now interested... have to dig up a link.
[05:52] <DanaG> ah, my biggest issue with suspend/resume is that fglrx leaks boatloads of memory during suspend/resume.
[05:56] <aroman> Very interesting, I use fglrx on my computer, but it's an all-in-one not a laptop
[05:56] <aroman> I too was very interested in the async thing.. seems like the kind of major upstram papercut ubuntu has been dying to get fixed.
[06:04] <DanaG> hmm, I just tried setting "max-gart-size"... I'll see if that helps next time.
[06:41] <Andre_Gondim> hi, I have seen a problem with ths sign of one mirror
[06:41] <Andre_Gondim> http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/Release
[08:06] <UndiFineD> Andre_Gondim, that mirror seems all wrong
[08:07] <UndiFineD> maybe it is another async issue :p
[08:19] <zniavre> good morning
[08:20] <zniavre> damned it's the RC s day and there is no legacy nvidia driver available  ...
[11:01] <BlaDe^> Hi guys I'm having this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/610440?comments=all
[11:02] <BlaDe^> had it on 10.04 and also on 10.10 -- can anyone recmomend a fix ? it's sooo difficult to do anything currently
[11:02] <BlaDe^> note in 9.10 it was fine
[11:39] <StrontiumDog> I have fglrx installed from standard repo for 10.10, I have virtual box ose installed from standard repo (no customisations to either of these or manually downloaded versions)  If I start VBox X crashes when I move the mouse over it.  Everytime.  I am getting a segfault.  Trace now at http://pastebin.ca/1951726
[11:39] <StrontiumDog> this does not look like a problem with fglrx as it is the X server segfaulting and not the driver.
[12:48] <SinusPi> Greetings. May some of you shed some light on a problem of mine? I need USB-booted Ubuntu 10.10 to not try to initialize one of the hard disks; it has (probably) unreadable partition table (or worse) and ubuntu keeps failing on some DMA reads and won't even go into X mode, stuck in the error loop. Any way I can prevent any attempts to mount it, so that I can do it manually once everything is up..?
[12:54] <Hukka> Since upgrading to maverick, my rxvt "refresh rate" has gone down noticiably
[12:55] <Hukka> For example new lines entering into this irssi window cause a redraw lasting maybe 0,3-0,5 seconds
[13:15] <murlidhar> the rc torrents not working ?
[13:16] <murlidhar> it says requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker.
[13:16] <murlidhar> downloaded the torrent from http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.10/
[13:26] <Hukka> Hm, seems like gnome-terminal is very slow too. Even just inputting new characters
[13:40] <htorque> Hukka, do you see this gnome-terminal behavior with ubuntu netbook?
[13:41] <Hukka> Uh, don't know
[13:41] <Hukka> I don't have any netbook remixes installed
[13:41] <htorque> ah, ok
[13:41] <jiohdi> is it normal to have dozens of updates a day prior to a new release?
[13:41] <htorque> jiohdi, yes :-)
[13:41] <jiohdi> it does seem to be making things faster at leaset
[13:41] <jiohdi> least*
[13:42] <Hukka> A day before?
[13:42] <jiohdi> updates a day
[13:42] <jiohdi> per day
[13:42] <Hukka> Whops, sorry :)
[13:43] <jiohdi> I did not realize it could be easily read both ways
[13:44] <sinurge> i have the latest nvidia and xorg version on maverick but somehow the resolution settings just dont get saved
[13:44] <zayr> how i can create new boot partition from current running ubuntu ?
[13:44] <zayr> and which size ?
[13:47] <htorque> sinurge, is it the the wrong resolution or the wrong refresh rate?
[13:48] <sinurge> wrong refresh rate, it setting itself to 70 when it should be either 60 or on auto
[13:49] <dto> hi everyone. i'm going to try out the new ubuntu beta :)
[13:50] <sgh> dto: the rc is just getting release in a couple of minutes/hours
[13:50] <sinurge> dto, good thing...let us know how is the experience
[13:50] <sgh> I'd just wait for it to be announced in public
[13:50] <zayr> is it only me or it looks very blurish ?
[13:50] <sgh> and download it then because it is more up to date
[13:50] <dto> sgh: the readme said release candidate
[13:50] <sgh> okay
[13:50] <dto> well
[13:50] <dto> i'm already doing it now :)
[13:51] <htorque> sinurge, bug 640807
[13:52] <htorque> sinurge, if you are hit by this one, you can work around it by disabling the gconf key '/apps/gnome_settings_daemon/xrandr/turn_on_external_monitors_at_startup' for the user gdm and your user
[13:55] <sinurge> thanks
[13:55] <sinurge> will check and update
[13:56] <jiohdi> anyone else trying unity desktop?
[14:31] <mcgyver> Hey, the RC torrent doesnt work: "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker"
[14:40] <budz0r> hello there, im using lenovo ideapad s10-3, and ubuntu 10.10, with latest updates, n10 familiy graphic controller, an i can't boot any kernel after 2.6.35-18-generic, kernel boots till loadin firmware, that is the point where framebuffer comes up, and then freezes
[14:40] <budz0r> do anyone have same problem
[14:41] <budz0r> does anyone had that kind of problem
[14:43] <budz0r> blah
[14:50] <LuckySMack> anyone in here have any issues with setting up dual monitors after upgrading to 10.10?
[14:51] <doc|home> LuckySMack: was seamless for me on an nvidia card.
[14:51] <LuckySMack> ATI
[14:52] <doc|home> no, nvidia
[14:52] <LuckySMack> heh
[14:52] <doc|home> see how that works? :)
[14:53] <LuckySMack> meh
[14:54] <LuckySMack> but yea, i cant activate my dual monitor, it only lets me mirror them. trying to extend the desktop tells me to log out to apply and when logging back in the monitor is still disabled
[15:20] <krabador> it's possible, 10 days before 10.10 out, quadrapassel don't works
[15:23] <sarmisak> hi
[15:23] <oonh> nvidia on maverick? (I quite miss having two monitors)
[15:23] <sarmisak> is it me or the renaming files has changed in nautilus?
[15:24] <krabador> sarmisak: are you using a daily build?
[15:24] <sarmisak> in 10.04 when I hit F2 it would leave the extension unselected
[15:24] <sarmisak> but now it selects everything
[15:25] <sarmisak> krabador, using 10.10, updating frequently
[15:25] <krabador> sarmisak: 10.10 will use gnome 2.32
[15:25] <krabador> now it's possible you are using it
[15:26] <oonh> nouveau doesn't seem to work for me, and I'm currently using the nv driver, but I'd much rather be running nvidia's driver
[15:27] <krabador> oonh: video driver support isn't really complete until the stable
[15:27] <sarmisak> krabador, hmm yes it seems so
[15:28] <krabador> sarmisak: surely it's a default gnome change
[15:28] <Alan> Is there even an open-source driver that will work with the GTX460?
[15:28] <Alan> It's a different chip to the 465, 470 and 480
[15:29] <sarmisak> krabador, bollocks. I loved that feature, what the heck they were thinking
[15:32] <krabador> sarmisak: until the stable, ubuntu team can correct it
[15:32] <Alan> Ugh, security.ubuntu.com is stalling all the time :(
[15:32] <Alan> Fine on my systems at home, since i have a local mirror
[15:32] <Alan> but i a bit crappy for my remote server...
[15:32] <sarmisak> krabador, hope so. thank you ;)
[15:33] <Alan> (not a +1 issues though)
[15:33] <krabador> sarmisak: nothing :)
[16:07] <Daekdroom> Is anyone else facing this when opening quadrapassel? http://pastebin.com/fpSpQtAS
[16:07] <Daekdroom> It closes instantly
[16:08] <cinnabarisland12> is this the IRC for maverick support?
[16:08] <Daekdroom> cinnabarisland12, yes
[16:08] <nogo> i saw the final countdown everywhere
[16:09] <cinnabarisland12> oh gooood, I've run sudo update-manager -d and sudo apt-get upgrade and maverick release candiadte doesn't show up?
[16:11] <cinnabarisland12> no-one knows why?
[16:12] <mvo> cinnabarisland12: what does "do-release-upgrade -d ; cat ~/.cache/update-manager-core/meta-release|tail
[16:12] <mvo> show?
[16:13] <mvo> cinnabarisland12: aha, its probably /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades - set this to "normal" (or use software-properties-gtk to switch from "lts" to "normal" in the "upgrades" tab
[16:14] <EvaLuaTe> is the RC out already?
[16:14] <Daekdroom> EvaLuaTe, yes
[16:14] <EvaLuaTe> neat, thanks :)
[16:15] <EvaLuaTe> the links on here should be changed to the RC though: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule
[16:15] <EvaLuaTe> I've been monitoring this site to see when it's being released...
[16:15] <cinnabarisland12> ok the release upgrade jotifications is normal
[16:15] <cinnabarisland12> *notifications
[16:16] <cinnabarisland12> maybe it isn't released in the UK yet?
[16:17] <charlie-tca> the RC is not released at all yet
[16:17] <charlie-tca> It will be released later today
[16:17] <EvaLuaTe> hmm, I can't see it either. Is there any link to the page of the announcement? something like this was for beta: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta ?
[16:18] <EvaLuaTe> charlie-tca, ohh, ok then
[16:18] <charlie-tca> Note the topic here. It changes to match the current release of the development version
[16:18] <EvaLuaTe> ok :)|
[16:19] <cinnabarisland12> hmmm the Ubuntu website just has the link to the beta but OMG! Ubuntu! posted saying it was out
[16:20] <charlie-tca> They were too early. OMG! Ubuntu does not get to decide, the Ubuntu Release Team does.
[16:20] <charlie-tca> cinnabarisland12: read the topic here. It is not released yet
[16:21] <cinnabarisland12> orly?
[16:21] <cinnabarisland12> http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.10/
[16:21] <charlie-tca> !topic
[16:22] <jpds> cinnabarisland12: It's not yet announced and please use a local country mirror such as http://gb.releases.ubuntu.com/10.10/
[16:22] <cinnabarisland12> well that sucks
[16:24] <jpds> Some people.
[16:24] <charlie-tca> +1
[16:50] <MrsB> Hello folks. I've just installed the 10.10 beta and it appears grub is failing. It wont load the grub menu. It just sits with the cursor flashing in the top left and I have to hard reset. All I can do is load the live cd and chroot to the drive in a terminal. Has anybody any clue how to fix this? Thankyou!
[16:53] <StrontiumDog> MrsB:  by default grub now just is supposed to run the latest kernel.  to interupt that and get the old grub menu hold RIGHT SHIFT during boot.
[16:54] <MrsB> I'll give that a try thanks
[16:56] <StrontiumDog> I have fglrx installed from standard repo for 10.10, I have virtual box ose installed from standard repo (no customisations to either of these or manually downloaded versions)  If I start VBox X crashes when I move the mouse over it.  Everytime.  I am getting a segfault.  Trace now at http://pastebin.ca/1951726
[16:58] <MrsB> Hmm well its an improvement, I get Grub Loading showing now but it is still not loading
[16:58] <StrontiumDog> This is the VBOX Menu, not the actual virtual machine.  I dont think any program should be able to crash the X sever, no?
[17:00] <StrontiumDog> MrsB, I recomend editing your command line and removing "quiet splash" also try adding -verbose.  Also try running the recovery image, I had problems like that with 10.04 and it was because of video drivers. I had to run in text mode and install AMD binary drivers to get it fixed on that box.
[17:00] <MrsB> I wish I had that option. I guess I could alter it manually in chroot
[17:01] <Dr_Willis> MrsB:  i had a similer issue. not fixed it yet. not really tried.. its on a test box. There was some bug report  mentioned in here yesterday about it. but i dident jot down the #
[17:02] <Dr_Willis> Mine 'died' and it did have the nvidia drivers.. and it was working.. some update seemed to cause the issue..
[17:02] <MrsB> Well, wish me luck :)
[17:06] <duffydack> the other day my windows had some funky transparency when not focused, where has that gone?
[17:13] <MrsB> No good :( It is using the entire disk as I had problems initially on a dual boot system. I have altered the grub.cfg but it just sits as if its stuck trying to load grub.
[17:23] <drizztbsd> hi
[17:24] <MrsB> hi
[17:24] <drizztbsd> I found a critical bug in tar 1.23, if I report it you will put the fixed version in maverick or it's too late?
[17:24] <MrsB> Not me no but its probably a good idea to report it though
[17:26] <drizztbsd> FYI https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tar/+bug/652183
[17:27] <drizztbsd> I think it's enough critical :)
[17:29] <MrsB> Is there a way to make it install with grub instead of grub2?
[17:33] <LuckySMack> I thought they were going to use gnome 3 in maverick?
[17:33] <Dr_Willis> LuckySMack:  its not in a useable state.
[17:33] <Dr_Willis> or so ive heard.
[17:33] <Dr_Willis> I dont keep up with the gnomes :)
[17:33] <LuckySMack> yea i thought they were only going to use a part of it or something
[17:34] <Dr_Willis> Why rush it..   :) theres always going to be the next release in 6 mo...
[17:34] <LuckySMack> heh
[17:34] <LuckySMack> no i was just curious
[17:41] <dto> http://imagebin.ca/view/HTncOM.html  hi just installed the rc. font rendering seems to be a bit blurred no matter what i do to the Appearance font settings.
[17:41] <dto> i tried making a new account and all fonts are blurred on that too.
[17:41] <domjohnson> Hello
[17:41] <dto> some vertical lines are almost ghosted out
[17:42] <dto> (the new account was to satisfy me that old ~/.gnome* settings were not messing it up
[17:42] <dto> hi domjohnson
[17:42] <domjohnson> Why has the topic not been updated?
[17:42] <dto> hmm i wonder if this is a vga cable issue
[17:43] <{Titan}> is maverick still beta ?
[17:43] <domjohnson> Is the RC pretty much without bugs?
[17:43] <domjohnson> {Titan} - no, its RC
[17:43] <dto> well i seem to be reporting a bug :)
[17:43] <{Titan}> thank you sir
[17:43] <domjohnson> You're welcome
[17:44] <charlie-tca> There will be a topic update when the official announcement is made that the RC released
[17:47] <dto> i'm going to try HDMI and see if it's just a monitor issue....... i'm getting a little flickering as well
[17:48] <dto> and zooming in on my screenshot the problem goes away...
[17:49] <MrsB> I cant even get it to boot!
[18:03] <sobczyk> hi, anything changed with font settings on last updates? I have huge fonts, In qtcreator so big Ii could barely fit 10 lines on my screen
[18:05] <dto> fonts are still looking blurry. in the letter "b" i just typed the ascender is a thin grey line, not black
[18:05] <sobczyk> I mean big as in 4+ size
[18:05] <sobczyk> 14+
[18:07] <sobczyk> I don't have problems with looks but with the default siz
[18:12] <soee> hi, tell me if plymouth is broken under 64bit ver (nvidia drivers) ?
[18:13] <knittl> hm. my x server is crashing everytime i start some applications (ding, gitk, vlc, blender)
[18:13] <knittl> seems like toolkit related
[18:14] <knittl> using nvidia with xinerama
[18:17] <sobczyk> are other font sizes tied to the general one?
[18:17] <sobczyk> when I change the top one in settings to a normal size, fonts in kde menu are too small
[18:21] <IdleOne> Have there been any updates in the past 36 hours?
[18:21] <charlie-tca> I had about 5 today
[18:21] <IdleOne> 5 packages?
[18:22] <sobczyk> ok, figured it out
[18:22] <sobczyk> had to force 96 dpi for fonts, and everything looks normal
[18:27] <charlie-tca> yup
[18:28] <charlie-tca> IdleOne: sorry, yes, 5 packages
[18:28] <IdleOne> ok then. thanks
[18:42] <sebsebseb> Hi
[18:43] <sebsebseb> So the RC still isn't out just yet?
[18:46] <shcherbak> 1;2P
[18:50] <charlie-tca> !outyet
[18:50] <charlie-tca> well, that is kind of rude, huh?
[18:50] <charlie-tca> sebsebseb: not quite. I think it is still getting the last of the testing done
[18:55] <veenenen> What do you mean? http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.10/
[18:55] <veenenen> It's right there
[18:57] <muszek> hi... I think dist-upgrade is broken at the moment.  I used update-manger -d.  at first it failed because some packages failed to load (403 forbidden status code, some mirror in Sweden - can't remember which one).  Then I changed the mirror and every time I run update-manager, I get a dependency error...
[18:57] <charlie-tca> what I mean is there has not been an official announcement yet
[18:58] <muszek> last time I tried was 1 hour ago... trying again....
[18:59] <Dr_Willis> veenenen:  thats what i was thinking.. i just downloaded it  earluier today. :)
[19:00] <muszek> Could not install the upgrades. Error during commit. 'E:Couldn't configure pre-depend x11-common for x11-xkb-utils, probably a dependency cycle.'. Restoring original system state
[19:00] <charlie-tca> announcement just came out. Could we have the topic updated to RC Released, please
[19:02] <muszek> should I do something with it (report a bug or sth...)?
[19:02] <ChogyDan> muszek: what version is it trying to install?
[19:04] <muszek> ChogyDan: I don't know... and the error modal that popped out prevents me from clicking on a "show terminal" icon...
[19:04] <muszek> I can run it again (will takes a few minutes)
[19:05] <ChogyDan> muszek: oh, ok, you are still on lucid
[19:06] <muszek> ChogyDan: yeah, this is a problem that appears while I'm trying to upgrade
[19:07] <nogo> 9.10 -> 10.10, good idea?
[19:08] <charlie-tca> 9.10 to 10.10 will break things. You have to upgrade in sequence, 9.10 -> 10.04 -> 10.10
[19:09] <muszek> ChogyDan: it doesn't give me a chance to click on that icon...
[19:09] <nogo> charlie-tca: ha, i remembered
[19:10] <muszek> how about btrfs... is it a good idea to make the switch (from ext4)?  non-critical data.
[19:12] <sebsebseb> muszek: I was wondering about that as well
[19:12] <sebsebseb> muszek: from vm trying of 10.10 it seems, to be quite well pointless, unless know how to use the snapshots
[19:12] <sebsebseb> which I didn't
[19:13] <nogo> you just need another usbkey to try it out
[19:13] <muszek> all I care is performance (my disk is slooow)
[19:13] <sebsebseb> muszek: well I haven't tried on real hardware, yet, but  I don't think it will make that much of a difference compared to Ext4 in 10.10
[19:13] <nogo> my ubuntu@usbkey is not bad. i opened the ff in one second (the first load)
[19:14] <nogo> maybe i have boosted it too much
[19:14] <sebsebseb> on the subject of btrfs, surely the snapshots take up space as well, so  maybe a 12GB or so /  isn't really enough? (with big seperate /home of course)
[19:15] <Tweaky> ive always found with updateing distro releases always causes a problem for me
[19:15] <sebsebseb> Tweaky: well don't upgrade to a version that isn't the final :D
[19:15] <sebsebseb> then
[19:16] <Tweaky> even from 8.10 to 9.04 when it came out
[19:16] <muszek> I only had a major problem once
[19:16] <Tweaky> i ended up having problems and the bootup was slow.
[19:16] <muszek> but it was a looong time ago
[19:17] <Tweaky> i just copied my files to another partition and installed from scratch and what a difference
[19:17] <nogo> as soon as you buy a new pc, install a lts. then get another new pc and lts at 3 years later
[19:17] <sebsebseb> Tweaky: So do clean installs for each version, or maybe even try a rolling release distro
[19:17] <Tweaky> ya exactly
[19:17] <Tweaky> clean installs are always so nice :)
[19:17] <muszek> when ATI's driver stopped supporting my graphics card.  after a dist upgrade X wouldn't start.  but as I've said, it's been 3 or 4 years ago
[19:17] <Tweaky> ive had that problem before nuszek lol
[19:17] <nogo> muszek: iirc, you are lucky if you use ati
[19:18] <Tweaky> muszek*
[19:18] <nogo> muszek: ati has a foss driver with not bad performance
[19:18] <muszek> it was before ati had a foss driver
[19:18] <nogo> muszek: the radeon module?
[19:19] <muszek> afair it was 9000 Pro
[19:19] <Tweaky> 10.10 just added suport for the ati proprietary
[19:19] <Tweaky> seems  to work at for me ati radeon 4200 hd
[19:19] <sebsebseb> Tweaky: oh ok
[19:20] <nogo> muszek: so, you should try it out. radeon module + mesa (soft 3d)
[19:22] <muszek> nogo: I was just mentioning the only major problem that I had while dist-upgrading.  it was years ago, I don't even have that computer anymore :)
[19:23] <td123> lol, when updating gnome-icon-themes today, it got stuck in an infinite loop XD
[19:23] <td123> why are infinite loops even possible?!
[19:24] <nogo> gnome is hard to upgrade smoothly all the time
[19:25] <Tweaky> lol.....
[19:25] <muszek> while(true) print "I'll be finished in a second"
[19:25] <Tweaky> 2 days ago i tried to do that
[19:25] <nogo> if i have to choose a non-lts version of ubuntu, i will take xfce
[19:26] <Tweaky> xubuntu is decent
[19:26] <nogo> or other lightwight desktops or wms
[19:26] <sebsebseb> nogo: no Gnome is great, depending on how a distro implements it
[19:26] <nogo> i said, the upgrade
[19:27] <nogo> if you have built a home-brew or lfs linux, you will know this
[19:27] <sebsebseb> nogo: and most things that go wrong after an upgrade of Ubuntu, aren't because of Gnome :)
[19:27] <nogo> maybe
[19:27] <nogo> gnome has a huge subsystem
[19:29] <sebsebseb> nogo: xorg on the other hand, is more likely to give issues after an upgrade,  and thats responsible of all the graphical stuff in Ubuntu,  including running Gnome
[19:30] <sebsebseb> xxploit: and it also runs XFCE/Xubuntu
[19:30] <sebsebseb> nogo: ^
[19:30] <sebsebseb> xxploit: not sure why I sent that to you
[19:30] <sebsebseb> !xorg
[19:33] <sebsebseb> nogo: also maybe you don't know it, but since 9.04 they keep on adding changes to  Gnome in Ubuntu, that are Ubuntu specific, this may cause actsual problems sometimes,  not just certain people not likeing the changes.
[19:34]  * sebsebseb is bound to regret it, but wants to try out 10.10 starting with the RC for a while on real hardware hmm
[19:44] <GA_Bull> so I thought the 127 updates I had yesterday were bad... 492 today.
[19:45] <DarthFrog> I'm just about to do an upgrade from Lucid to Maverick RC.  The upgrade utility sez that xorg-driver-fglrx is to be removed and I don't see any replacement to be installed.  WTF?  Will I no longer be able to use my ATI card with Maverick?
[19:46] <sebsebseb> !language | DarthFrog
[19:47] <DarthFrog> ?
[19:47] <sebsebseb> DarthFrog: the three letters
[19:47] <DarthFrog> TLA's are not allowed?
[19:47] <GA_Bull> DarthFrog, hmm. I have heard a few problems with ATI. Don't see why that would happen.. lemme see if I see anything.
[19:47] <GA_Bull> (probably won't. but we'll see)
[19:48] <sebsebseb> DarthFrog: swearing isn't alloweed in Ubuntu channels  and yes like that with three letters does count
[19:48] <DarthFrog> GA_Bull: I have a Radeon 5770 card, it works ferpectly with Lucid using the offical repo fglrx driver.
[19:49] <DarthFrog> Is fglrx being removed from Maverick?
[19:51] <JEEB> ohi. I'm using 10.10 server on a vmware player virtual machine for a few days now and I'm finding it overriding the static IP settings by DHCP from time to time. After getting back to the computer and running /etc/init.d/networking restart or rebooting the VM it goes back to its static spot.
[19:52] <GA_Bull> DarthFrog; can't seem to find out myself... my focus at the current moment isn't the best... sorry.
[19:53] <DarthFrog> Tnx anyway.  I've cancelled the upgrade, guess I'll stay with Lucid until I find out what's going on with fglrx.
[19:54] <JEEB> (of course I only now rebooted the VM for the first time, until now I've /etc/init.d/networking restart'd -- if it still is fine tomorrow when I get to the university I'd guess it's fine and was caused by something happening in my network before the whole system was restarted with the new network interface settings)
[19:56] <trism> DarthFrog: it appears xorg-driver-fglrx is just a transitional package for lucid to install fglrx, which is in maverick, so I think they just removed the transition package, which isn't needed anymore
[19:57] <DarthFrog> trism: fglrx is in Maverick?  It's proprietary.  That sounds contrary to Ubuntu's credo.
[19:57] <Licuadora> I installed the 10.10 dev version, and everytime i try to update, it wont let me
[19:57] <yofel> it's in the 'restricted' archive where proprietary stuff belongs to
[19:58] <trism> DarthFrog: it is in the restricted repo, and the source package is fglrx-installer, so it may download some of the proprietrary parts from other locations after install
[19:58] <Licuadora> W: GPG error: http://extras.ubuntu.com maverick Release: Las firmas siguientes no se pudieron verificar porque su llave pública no está disponible: NO_PUBKEY 16126D3A3E5C1192
[19:58] <yofel> Licuadora: install updates, it should pull in 'ubuntu-extras-keyring'
[19:58] <DarthFrog> trism, yofel: Thanks.
[19:59] <Licuadora> yofel: sudo apt-get install updates?
[19:59] <yofel> Licuadora: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:00] <Licuadora> it says this packages will be datined
[20:00] <Licuadora> libboost-date-time-dev libboost-dev libboost-filesystem-dev libboost-iostreams-dev libboost-program-options-dev
[20:00] <Licuadora>   libboost-regex-dev libboost-serialization-dev libboost-thread-dev libboost-wave-dev
[20:00] <Licuadora> Is that normal?
[20:01] <yofel> you mean kept back? depends, lucid has boost 1.40, maverick 1.42, so they should get upgraded
[20:02] <Licuadora> Well, i do not know much about those packages, as long as it let me use Blender with out crashes or bugs
[20:03] <yofel> well, those are the boost headers, you don't usually need those packages unless you compile software yourself that needs them
[20:04] <yofel> I'm gone for a few minutes
[20:04] <Licuadora> yofel: Thx, it is downloading lots of stuff right now.
[20:19] <dli> how do I disable vdpau in mplayer?
[20:21] <bjsnider> dli, there are different ways
[20:22] <GA_Bull> ok, help... laptop crashed during an upgrade... and now I can't log on... the log on screen is jacked up and I can't do anything except reboot.
[20:22] <bjsnider> depends on how you're using it, command line gmplayer smplayer, whatever
[20:22] <GA_Bull> and accessibilty options.
[20:22] <GA_Bull> and shutdown... i'm stuck.
[20:23] <dli> bjsnider, which -vo should I choose? xv or xvmc? on intel i915 video
[20:23] <yofel> GA_Bull: do you get a terminal with ctrl+alt+f2 ?
[20:24] <GA_Bull> yes. and now i'm logged on. and in a terminal.
[20:25] <GA_Bull> I can't remember linux coding anymore... so terminals screw me up.. ima need help with this one
[20:25] <bjsnider> dli, xv
[20:25] <yofel> GA_Bull: run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' and then try 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[20:25] <yofel> you'll need a wired network connection for the latter one to work out of the box
[20:26] <dli> bjsnider, thanks
[20:26] <GA_Bull> It may have connected to my wireless. not sure. It was connected before it died.
[20:26] <GA_Bull> if not I'll run downstairs...
[20:27] <yofel> well, dist-upgrade might finish what was left if all packages were downloaded before it crashed
[20:27] <yofel> don't run 'update' in this case
[20:27] <GA_Bull> they had all downloaded, they were just "applying changes"
[20:27] <yofel> then try dist-upgrade, might work without network
[20:28] <GA_Bull> ok... the first command is still running.
[20:28] <dooglus> I get a terminal with ctrl+alt+f1, and 5 more up to +f6, but when I then alt-f7 to try to get back to GNOME, it hangs
[20:28] <yofel> dooglus: tried f8? X is on tty8 here for some reason
[20:28] <bilalakhtar> My ureadahead is generating only 1 pack file rather than 2 which it did in Lucid. And, it doesn't seem to be making a big difference in the boot speed of my computer.
[20:29] <dooglus> yofel: I didn't.  I just stopped using f1 through f6...
[20:29] <bilalakhtar> My boot is of the same speed when it generates the pack files and when it has them cached
[20:29] <dooglus> yofel: it was fine in 10.04 btw
[20:29] <bilalakhtar> I have tried deleting the pack files and rebooting twice, but the boot speed doesn't improve
[20:29] <dooglus> yofel: now I see 'mess' on the X display - like random lines of noise as it starts up.  I have to think it's a graphic card driver bug
[20:29] <zniavre> #649616
[20:30] <bilalakhtar> bug #649616
[20:30] <yofel> probably :/
[20:30] <dooglus> "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]"
[20:30] <bilalakhtar> yofel: Is your maverick boot slow?
[20:30] <zniavre> thank you friends
[20:30] <dooglus> and ii  xserver-xorg-video-radeon                  1:6.13.1-1ubuntu5                               X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI Radeon display driver
[20:31] <dooglus> I have 10.10 on another machine, with 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series], and the same radeon driver works fine
[20:32] <bilalakhtar> dooglus: Is your boot fine?
[20:32] <yofel> bilalakhtar: not particulary, but it's not that fast either
[20:33] <bilalakhtar> yofel: My maverick boot became considerably slower since I upgraded
[20:33] <dooglus> bilalakhtar: I mostly wear sandals
[20:33] <bilalakhtar> I have tried deleting the ureadahead pack files and rebooting
[20:33] <yofel> ah, haven't rebooted the last 2 days
[20:33] <dooglus> bilalakhtar: they're ok, though the sole is a little loose on one
[20:33] <bilalakhtar> dooglus: I mean, is your computer startup fine?
[20:33] <bilalakhtar> lol
[20:33] <dooglus> bilalakhtar: yes, it's much the same as 10.04 I think
[20:34] <dooglus> bilalakhtar: the splash screen is ugly though - there's a green outline around the ubuntu logo - like the colourmap isn't being set up right
[20:34] <dooglus> bilalakhtar: but that happened in 10.04 too
[20:41] <sebsebseb> Hi dooglus
[20:41] <dooglus> hey seb
[20:41] <dooglus> how are your boots?
[20:43] <knittl> what's the name of the ubuntu-font? can't find it …
[20:44] <sebsebseb> dooglus: my boots????
[20:44] <bilalakhtar> knittl: its just Ubuntu
[20:45] <dooglus> sebsebseb: I mean, are your computer startups fine?
[20:45] <knittl> it's not here :(
[20:45] <sebsebseb> dooglus: uh yeah at the moment, but maybe not when I put 10.10 on heh heh
[20:45] <sebsebseb> dooglus: only for about two weeks though when I do, unless for some reason I decide to use for a bit longer, you know I am not much of a Ubuntu fan anymore
[20:46] <knittl> btw. any idea why x is crashing when i start some apps? (ding, gitk, vlc) seems to be windowing toolkit related
[20:46] <yofel> kandinski: font name 'Ubuntu' package name: ttf-ubuntu-font-family
[20:46] <yofel> err knittl ^
[20:46] <dli> knittl, my intel video gets GPU hangs with some openGL features
[20:47] <knittl> yofel: thanks :)
[20:47] <yofel> it should be installed by default though when you install updates
[20:47] <knittl> that's why i was asking
[20:48] <knittl> Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting hmmmm
[20:48] <knittl> no, it wasn't installed here …
[20:49] <duffydack> yofel, I had to install it manually just now.. I`m all updated too
[20:49] <yofel> that's very odd, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-netbook and kubuntu-desktop recommend it
[20:50] <knittl> i update using apt-get
[20:50] <knittl> if that matters
[20:50] <dugger5688> Anyone else having problems with broadcom devices and WPA networks?
[20:50] <yofel> did someone turn 'no-install-recommends' on o.O?
[20:50] <knittl> i wouldn't know how to do that
[20:50] <yofel> I meant by default
[20:51] <yofel> not sure where to look that up..
[20:51] <duffydack> is there a mono version too?
[20:51] <yofel> bilalakhtar: here's my last bootchart, need to reboot, so you'll get a new one in a few minutes http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/bootchart/yofel-t510-maverick-20100928-1.png
[20:51] <yofel> duffydack: not yet afaik :/
[20:52] <bilalakhtar> yofel: How did you generate it?
[20:53] <knittl> yofel: your system takes quite some time to boot
[20:53] <bilalakhtar> yofel: Your seems the same as mine
[20:53] <yofel> just installed bootchart, I didn't change any of the generation settings
[20:53] <blackxored> hi
[20:53] <blackxored> are the maverick fonts available somewhere for a lucid user (not for long)
[20:53] <blackxored> ?
[20:54] <yofel> wow, we have gotten to the point where 30s is considered *long* o.O - well one minute with kde login
[20:54] <knittl> 30 s? i read 90s
[20:55] <yofel> well, 30s until X comes up, kde login takes a while
[20:55] <knittl> ok
[20:55] <yofel> brb
[20:55] <knittl> you are running a decent cpu though ;)
[20:55] <yofel> :P
[20:58] <yofel> re
[20:59] <knittl> wb
[21:00] <yofel> http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/bootchart/yofel-t510-maverick-20100930-1.png
[21:01] <yofel> sure, it's not that fast, but at least it doesn't feel as slow as years ago
[21:01] <knittl> i don't boot often
[21:02] <knittl> 15 days ago the last time :D
[21:02] <yofel> heh, I rebooted 2 days ago last time, and before that on the 10th :P
[21:02] <yofel> suspend is a nice invention :D
[21:03] <knittl> hehe
[21:15] <crucialhoax> Anyone having a problem with banshee crashing very often?
[21:27] <Evil_Eric> hi guys is 10.10 stable yet
[21:29] <sebsebseb> Evil_Eric: not exactly
[21:29] <Evil_Eric> ok
[21:30] <Evil_Eric> well when ever it gets that way let me know
[21:30] <nogo> there are 9 days left
[21:30] <Evil_Eric> for the release yes but that dosent mean it will be stable
[21:31] <Evil_Eric> lol
[21:31] <sebsebseb> Evil_Eric: well I guess no Ubuntu release will be 100% stable :D
[21:31] <Evil_Eric> 10.04 has givin me any crap yet
[21:32] <Evil_Eric> hasnt
[21:33] <JEEB> 100% perfect... is not possible. You can and must strive for the best possible outcome, but 100% perfect software is just not possible. Esp. on this kind of scale.
[21:34] <Evil_Eric> thats true
[21:35] <Evil_Eric> i just dont wanna install it then have to reinstall it 100 times to have do basic stuff man thats my bigest worry
[21:39] <TDJACR> Anyone else having a problem with Evolution and a huge memory leak?
[21:44] <Adys> TDJACR: evolution always had a lot of memleaks; depends how you define "huge" though. I havent heard of any critical ones in maverick.
[21:44] <Adys> (solution: use gmail)
[21:44] <TDJACR> Adys: Since an upgrade to Beta, it starts around 100something MB, and ends up consuming close to three GB
[21:45] <Adys> definitely havent heard of that; check launchpad and report, imho
[21:46] <TDJACR> Adys: Sounds good.
[21:46] <dto> hi folks. ubuntu is auto-detecting my 1360x768 toshiba lcd flat panel as 1980x1020 and i cannot get it to see the native resolution as 1360x760
[21:46] <dto> 768 i mean
[21:46] <dto> this is with nvidia drivers
[21:46] <dto> and HDMI
[21:47] <dto> normal analog vga output works fine but it's noisy and i think my cable may be a bit bad
[21:47] <dto> so i want to start using hdmi but i have this native resolution problem.
[21:47] <kallisti5> ruh-oh... found a bug in the RC.   USB headphones don't work.
[21:48] <kallisti5> C-Media USB shows up as a hardware device to configure... but it doesn't let me select them as a output device (it doesn't show up)
[21:48] <kallisti5> I click on "test speakers" and volume app crashes
[22:05] <dto> i'm still having trouble with HDMI nvidia being garbled due to the thing detecting wrong resolutions
[22:07] <kallisti5> a follow up on my c-media usb bug.. submitted a bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+bug/652444
[22:07] <kallisti5> oh.. there ya go
[22:07] <kallisti5> ;)
[22:08] <kallisti5> back traces and everything.. n'joy
[22:22] <dto> hmm, i'll give up on hdmi for now. my monitor is not sending correct data.
[22:35] <intrader> cinnabasisland12, yes
[22:35] <emperium> hello
[22:35] <emperium> can anyone tell me if it's possible to upgrade 10.04 to 10.10 under wubi using update-manager -d ?
[22:38] <TiK> emperium: no
[22:39] <TiK> well maybe idk
[22:39] <TiK> actually
[22:41] <emperium> it's better not to risk, right?
[22:43] <intrader> emperium, I am also a wubi adherent on another laptop. Save the old file somewhere and then run wubi upgrade.
[22:46] <emperium> but the wubi for the 10.10 version isn't avaiable yet, so how do I upgrade it?
[22:48] <intrader> emperium, there is a wubi to go to 10.10 RC
[22:50] <intrader> emperium, just make sure that you save the old wubi file - and perhaps be more granular and save the old /home
[22:51] <intrader> emperium, by the way, I had a very bad experience upgrading from 9.10 to 10.04 - it did not work.
[22:52] <emperium> i tryed once and I had to make a clean install of 10.04 again :\
[22:52] <emperium> *tried
[22:53] <emperium> better wait and make a full backup and then try again
[22:54] <flashkidd> how can i downgrade transmission to 1.93?
[22:56] <UndiFineD> ge64yuhg
[22:56] <emperium> hello BUGabundo
[22:56] <emperium> do I know you=
[22:56] <emperium> ?
[22:56] <intrader> emperium, that is why I recommend for you to just install the wubi - save /home and then move things as needed
[22:59] <emperium> thanks intrader, on saturday I have a lot of time to do that :) for now I'll continue to use Lucid
[22:59] <AndrewMC> emperium: this tool can help you backup /home http://j.mp/cALCEb
[22:59] <dto1> i've fixed my problem for now. my monitor seems to send wrong info.
[22:59] <BUGabundo> ola emperium :D
[22:59] <dto1> crystal clear now. the new ubuntu looks nice! i like the font already after a few hours
[22:59] <BUGabundo> emperium: #ubuntu-pt
[23:00] <BUGabundo> evening everyone else
[23:00] <dto1> another question. how do I blitz my panel configuration and get a "stock" Maverick panel? my current panel is a mess
[23:00] <dto1> i upgraded
[23:03] <yofel> !resetpanel
[23:03] <yofel> haven't tested that myself though


[02:19] <aatish910> What is the process of generating ISO images for Xubuntu?
[02:23] <Unit193> aatish910: Take a look at livecd-rootfs and ubuntu-cdimage.
[02:25] <aatish910> Unit193, thanks for the pointers.
[11:51] <bluesabre> !team | planning the next meeting time, let me know what availability you may have over the weekend (Sat Apr 9, Sun Apr 10)
[11:51] <bluesabre> er
[11:51] <bluesabre> !team | planning the next meeting time, please let me know what availability you may have over the weekend (Sat Apr 9, Sun Apr 10)
[11:51] <bluesabre> :D
[11:52] <flocculant> bluesabre: is there a difference :p
[11:52] <flocculant> and more or less about at normalish times as required here :)
[11:54] <bluesabre> bbl
[12:27] <dkessel> i wonder what items there are to discuss in the meeting...
[12:28] <dkessel> anyway, available saturday afternoon/evening (CET)
[14:24] <knome> bluesabre, i'm more or less available
[15:06] <pleia2> bluesabre: saturdays don't work for me, but sunday after 1500 utc is usually ok
[15:06] <dkessel> filed a bug: gnome-disks crashes when creating a LUKS Ext4 partition....
[15:07] <dkessel> number is still private though :o
[15:50] <knome> pleia2, want to do some social media?
[15:50] <pleia2> no
[15:50] <pleia2> ok, yes
[15:50] <knome> :D
[15:50] <knome> it's either now or later today, so... :)
[15:50] <pleia2> yeah, and I am leaving in an hour
[15:51] <knome> let me just quickly publish the post
[15:51] <pleia2> k
[15:51] <knome> done @ https://xubuntu.org/news/small-details-window-manager-shortcuts/
[15:52] <knome> and tweeted
[15:53] <pleia2> pushed out on g+ and fb
[15:53] <knome> nice
[15:55] <knome> and did the last tweaks for friday's article
[17:50] <flocculant> bluesabre: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/04/06/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t18:33 re https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.xenial_chinese-fonts/+merge/288195
[17:51] <pavlushka> o/ all
[17:54] <knome> pleia2, for the press page: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNlqAchOpFo (i know it's late, but..)
[17:55] <flocculant> can't find much in here about cjk fonts - other than "it's big :("
[17:56] <knome> what do you like to know?
[17:56] <flocculant> well
[17:56] <flocculant> all sorts - though with respect to cjk, just put it here after some chat about us and kubuntu not having it seeded yet :)
[17:57] <flocculant> hence the logs
[17:57] <knome> aiui, the cjk stuff is for handling chinese etc stuff correctly
[17:57] <flocculant> yea believe so
[17:58] <flocculant> it got sort of brought up at the time - then we moved on to other things :)
[19:24] <flocculant> bluesabre: you'd want http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/04/06/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t17:33 ... daylight saving ...
[22:32] <bluesabre> evening all
[22:32] <bluesabre> flocculant: that was the only concern, huge font
[22:32] <bluesabre> but that's no reason to cut folks off
[22:33] <bluesabre> the only reason I hadn't included it yet was because there was endless chatter about it, making it seem like maybe it did not work so well
[22:35] <bluesabre> !team | translation deadline tomorrow
[22:35] <knome> ack
[22:36] <bluesabre> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule :)
[22:36] <bluesabre> hey knome
[22:36] <knome> hullo
[22:40] <bluesabre> knome: so, what's the plan going forward with wp contest? waiting for a certain number of votes, or is there going to be additional voting, or..?
[22:44] <bluesabre> I should try to get new package versions together tonight for the apps
[22:44] <bluesabre> and -docs for tomorrow
[22:45]  * bluesabre prays to the fop $deity
[22:52] <knome> :D
[22:52] <knome> bluesabre, i'd say we wait for ochosi to vote, then see what the general situation is
[22:53] <knome> it's getting tight for getting any community voting in, regardless how it's done
[22:56] <Unit193> bluesabre: Going to try to setup the community artwork package properly? :3
[23:11] <bluesabre> Unit193: properly, hah
[23:11] <Unit193> Well, xubuntu-community-wallpapers-xenial/wily and xubuntu-community-wallpapers just depending on one.
[23:12] <bluesabre> aha, gotcha
[23:12] <bluesabre> that makes good sense
[23:12] <Unit193> Just means the one will have to have breaks/replaces or somesuch.
[23:13] <bluesabre> that shouldn't be necessary, I think
[23:14] <bluesabre> knome: alrighty, and yes, likely too late in the cycle to get a worthwhile community vote
[23:15] <Unit193> Oh?
[23:15] <bluesabre> -trusty/-xenial should be coinstallable
[23:16] <Unit193> Right, but the fiels are in xubuntu-community-wallpapers right now.
[23:16] <bluesabre> oh right, I know what you're saying now
[23:19] <Unit193> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html#s-depends for specifics.
[23:21] <Unit193> bluesabre: Also, see email?
[23:25] <bluesabre> Unit193: which one?
[23:27] <bluesabre> Unit193: and yes, familiar with those, had to do that to shimmer-themes when we broke it
[23:28] <Unit193> From David Planella.
[23:29] <pleia2> knome: thanks for not rickrolling me
[23:29] <knome> pleia2?)
[23:29] <bluesabre> Unit193: @ Fri Apr 8, 2016 3am - 3:30am ?
[23:29] <pleia2> knome: youtube link from earlier, is actually a xubuntu review ;)
[23:29] <knome> pleia2, oh, haha :)
[23:29] <knome> would i ever rickroll you?
[23:29] <pleia2> trust no one
[23:30] <Unit193> bluesabre: Yeah...
[23:30] <knome> not even knome, your friend?
[23:30] <pleia2> especially my friends /o\
[23:30] <knome> hah
[23:30] <knome> fair enough
[23:30] <bluesabre> Unit193: it will be strange being up at your time
[23:30] <knome> bluesabre, is that UTC?
[23:30] <Unit193> pleia2: ...Last one I linked wasn't a rickroll, but was "Pink Fluffy Unicorns"...
[23:30] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh you're able to go?  Wow.
[23:30] <Unit193> Nice.
[23:31] <bluesabre> knome: nope
[23:31] <bluesabre> EST
[23:31] <knome> aha
[23:31] <bluesabre> or DT
[23:31] <bluesabre> whatever it is, google took care of it for me
[23:31] <Unit193> Yeah, I do that too. >_>
[23:31] <knome> did we schedule a meeting for the weekend yet?
[23:31] <Unit193> Local time, our time.
[23:31] <bluesabre> knome: not yet
[23:31] <bluesabre> but will do tonight
[23:31] <knome> oki
[23:33] <Unit193> Also, fwiw LP 1566999.  Not had a chance to check it at all.
[23:37] <bluesabre> at the same time, the latest dropbox client seems pretty broken in ubuntu
[23:38] <Unit193> bluesabre: Just add unset DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS  to dropboxd under .dropbox-dist, no?
[23:44] <bluesabre> Unit193: dunno, I only opened it recently to finish moving my stuff to owncloud


[01:15] <mahngiel> good eve all. just a quick question ( i hope ). i'm looking to find the file location of the gnome menu bar ( the one which displays "applications, places, system')
[01:16] <mahngiel> i've gone through ~/.config/menus/ and /etc/xdg/menus/ to no avail found the parent editable
[01:20] <mahngiel>   anywhere i should look???
[01:24] <mahngiel> i'll re-ask due to new users in chat...
[01:25] <mahngiel> i'm trying to find the location of the parent 'config (if you will)' for the gnome menu bar that houses "Apps, places, & system'
[03:39]  * flyback is exhausted
[06:16] <sbalneav> Could someone with main rights have a quick look at Bug #501559
[06:16] <sbalneav> libgksu needs another config flag now, due to changes upstream to restore previous behavior.
[06:29] <crimsun> sbalneav: is there a solid reason why the change was made to reverse the previous default?
[09:35] <udiio> Q: can I make dpkg -b follow symlinks instead of putting them as is into the deb?
[09:37] <udiio> (like tar -h / tar --dereference
[11:45] <krymel> hi all
[11:47] <krymel> I'm planning to build a special distribution based uppon 10.04. Some kind of overlay to provide some different packages, removing unneeded etc. Do you know if there is some documentation/howto about this topic?
[11:49] <krymel> I'm familiar with deb-packaging etc. but not so much with the server side to conigure the meta-informations to provide repositories for the new distribution
[11:51] <kblin> you want to have a look at documentation on creating your own remix, I guess
[11:53] <hicham> can plymouth be run on karmic ?
[14:38] <sbalneav> crimsun: Looks as if this was a patch that was originally in debian.  Patch was moved upstream, but the corresponding --enable wasn't
[14:39] <sbalneav> So my friend stgraber tells me.
[14:39] <sbalneav> I discovered it by looking at the code in karmic vs lucid
[14:39] <sbalneav> by default in karmic, it's always doing the forkpty.
[14:40] <sbalneav> and that clearly works.
[14:40] <Quibus> hi all
[14:41] <Quibus> I've heard from an Ubuntu user that our program (openMSX, also in Ubuntu) hangsup. But when he kills pulse-audio, it works fine.
[14:41] <Quibus> This is with the standard package
[14:41] <Quibus> Doesn't this mean something is broken in Ubuntu? :-)
[14:42] <Tm_T> not automatically
[14:43] <Quibus> I'm not running Ubuntu, but in principle, installing the package 'openmsx' should give you the command 'openmsx' which should run fine.
[14:43] <Quibus> And it didn't on his netbook
[14:44] <Tm_T> Quibus: and openmsx should work just finr with pulseaudio?
[14:44] <Quibus> Tm_T: it's an SDL app, so it should work like any other SDL app using audio, I guess.
[14:46] <asac> doko: is gcc-snapshot ready for armel?
[14:46] <Tm_T> hmm, so it might be pulseaudio causing this, hmm, shame I cannot test
[14:47] <Quibus> Tm_T: a standard install on a VM might expose the problem
[14:47] <Quibus> apparently pulseaudio is installed by default nowadays
[14:47] <Tm_T> I cannot try it in that way either, sorry
[14:48] <Quibus> Tm_T: on your Ubuntu install, can you just install and run openMSX without problems?
[14:48] <Quibus> there was apparently also another problem
[14:51] <Tm_T> Quibus: then I have to set pulseaudio and many other things, too much hussle when I don't have time
[14:51] <Quibus> nah, you don't need that
[14:57] <Quibus> Tm_T: can I just bluntly let our (Ubuntu) user remove the pulseaudio package? :-)
[15:07] <Quibus> Tm_T: who is the Ubuntu maintainer of the openMSX package? All I see is the Debian maintainer, but it works fine on Debian.
[15:17] <Quibus> Tm_T: apparently files are installed at the wrong place for this package as well. Or for the cbios package, on which it depends.
[16:09] <Quibus> Tm_T: OK, I've had a chance to contact that user again, and the main problem is still that pulseaudio makes the app hang. Removing it solves the problem.
[16:11] <sbalneav> Quibus: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1071066
[16:11] <sbalneav> Third post.
[16:11] <sbalneav> need some compat work to get SDL <-> Pulse
[16:11] <Quibus> sbalneav: we're not talking about choppiness, but just a complete hangup. Only kill -9 kills the app
[16:12] <sbalneav> We've had problems with Pulse in ltsp, same issue, with pulse hanging.
[16:12] <Quibus> so, the idea is to let it use the ESD compat and let SDL use esd
[16:13] <sbalneav> appears with sdl.  Seems sdl doesn't talk nice to pulse, or pulse doesn't talk nice to sdl, or someone's not talking nice to someone. :)
[16:13] <Quibus> indeed
[16:13] <sbalneav> Quibus: Worth a try, anyway.
[16:13] <alkisg> sbalneav: it's a dependency of libsdl, it depends on alsa instead of pulse
[16:13]  * alkisg looks for one of the 12 reported bugs about it...
[16:14] <sbalneav> alkisg: yeah, didn't you run into something like this?
[16:14] <alkisg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl1.2/+bug/203158
[16:14] <alkisg> sbalneav: only dozens of times... :)
[16:14] <alkisg> Reported many of them, but it's just a tiny single line, and it isn't being commited
[16:14] <alkisg> I don't know why. It just breaks stuff...
[16:15] <alkisg> Please fix it for Lucid, by putting libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio first in the libsdl1.2debian dependencies:
[16:15] <alkisg> Depends: libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio |  libsdl1.2debian-all | libsdl1.2debian-alsa | libsdl1.2debian-esd | libsdl1.2debian-oss | libsdl1.2debian-nas
[16:15] <alkisg> That's all there is to it, a small rotation in the Depends line
[16:16] <sbalneav> Any core devs here willing to make the dep switch?
[16:17] <sbalneav> alkisg: I thought you had run into this before.
[16:17] <ScottK> That's not very friendly to the Ubuntu flavors that don't ship pulseaudio
[16:17] <sbalneav> Quibus: Maybe that will fix your issues.
[16:18] <Quibus> sbalneav: I'll ask the reporter to do this
[16:19] <sbalneav> ScottK: So, how would you recommend fixing this behaviour then? Clearly there's a problem between sdl <-> pulse.  Would identifying all SDL packages and making them depend on libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio be the better way to go?
[16:21] <ScottK> I haven't had time (and don't) to research it detail, but assuming all Ubuntu users have and use Pulse is not the right way.
[16:21] <alkisg> ScottK: I don't think it's very friendly break the *primary* Ubuntu flavors for I don't know which others don't ship pulse...
[16:22] <alkisg> Because right now, sdl is broken in Ubuntu, as it uses pulse by default
[16:22] <ScottK> Kubuntu for one.
[16:22] <alkisg> ScottK: and, wouldn't Depends be satisfied if alsa is installed?
[16:22] <alkisg> No'one proposed to remove sdl-alsa...
[16:23] <ScottK> If libsdl1.2debian-alsa was installed, yes.
[16:23] <alkisg> OK, maybe it would work on Kubuntu as well then
[16:23] <ScottK> But just shoving the pulse one to the front merely shifts the problem.
[16:24] <alkisg> It surely *doesn't* work in Ubuntu right now... and I think it's the official flavor, no?
[16:26] <Quibus> sbalneav: just installing the libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio package doesn't fix the hangup, it seems
[16:27] <sbalneav> ScottK: Would identifying all SDL applications and dep'ing them on libsld*-pulseaudio be the correct way to approach this?
[16:27] <Quibus> sbalneav: oh, never mind, maybe it does work
[16:27] <sbalneav> I'd me more than happy to undertake identifying them, and filing bugs
[16:27] <sbalneav> Quibus: Ah, good news
[16:28] <alkisg> sbalneav: I don't think that would be a good approach, as it would require making ubuntu-specific packages for many SDL apps that are now imported as is from debian
[16:28] <ScottK> sbalneav: I think the trick is needing a smarter way to pick the right sdl flavor, but I'm not certain.
[16:32] <alkisg> Another way around it would be to make a dummy package, e.g. libsdl-ubuntu
[16:32] <alkisg> And that package would depend on libsdl-pulse, so it would pull that one
[16:33] <alkisg> That wouldn't require any maintanance, as it would only be there to select the right dependency
[16:33] <sbalneav> So you'd depend on libsdl-ubuntu | libsdl-kubuntu | libsdl-edubuntu, etc?
[16:34] <alkisg> No, ubuntu-desktop would depend on that (or wherever else is the difference between ubuntu/kubuntu)
[16:35]  * alkisg looks...
[16:35] <sbalneav> ah
[16:36] <alkisg> Right, ubuntu-desktop depends on pulseaudio, so it could also depend either on that dummy package, or even directly on libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio...
[16:40] <sbalneav> makes sense.
[16:45] <alkisg> apt-cache rdepends libsdl1.2debian | wc -l
[16:45] <alkisg> 387
[16:46] <alkisg> All those 387 apps break in a default ubuntu installation, because of the dependency problem.
[16:48] <Quibus> yay
[16:48] <Quibus> And this is not a release critical bug??
[16:49] <sbalneav> Well, you'd think it would be, especially since some of the rdepends are in main.
[16:51] <hyperair> hmm that sdl issue rears its head again
[16:51]  * hyperair sighs
[16:52]  * ScottK wonders where is crimsun when you need him.
[16:52] <hyperair> heh
[16:52]  * alkisg has seen dozens of bugs about it in launchpad, with dozens of duplicates for each of them :(
[16:52] <hyperair> lemme dig in my logs. i think i was talking to crimsun about this last time..
[16:52] <sbalneav> Well, it'll keep rearing it's head until we whack on the head sufficiently hard enough to make it go away. :)
[16:54] <hyperair> 2009-11.log:04:28 <dtchen_> ugh. Ubuntu needs libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio on the discs as opposed to libsdl1.2debian-alsa. Which is going to be tough because Kubuntu and Xubuntu don't ship PulseAudio.
[16:54] <hyperair> 2009-12.log:15:19 <micahg> pitti: it's for libsdl1.2debian
[16:54] <hyperair> 2009-12.log:09:22 <dtchen> crypt-0: what, using libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio as a workaround? sure, that's a *workaround*. it doesn't at all address the fundamental bug.
[16:55] <hyperair> and it seems i was talking to themuso at that time
[16:55] <hyperair> speaking of whacking things on the head, my head feels pretty whacked up @_@
[16:55] <micahg> hyperair: he just gave an IRC session on fixing alsa bugs
[16:56] <hyperair> ah
[16:56] <hyperair> micahg: well this is more of a dependency issue rather than anything..
[16:56] <hyperair> how about pulseaudio recommending libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio?
[16:56] <alkisg> Isn't it possible to put it in the Dependencies of ubuntu-desktop, as that's the package that seperates Ubuntu from the other flavors?
[16:57] <sbalneav> apt's installing the recommends' now, iirc?  That might work.
[16:57] <hyperair> yeah it should be possible, but the thing is.. do you want libsdl installed by default?
[16:58] <micahg> hyperair: crimsun said that was only a workaround per my discussion with him, he said someone needs to actually fix it :) here's a link to the training session: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training/Logs/2009-12-27
[16:58] <alkisg> It is installed by default, though...
[16:58] <hyperair> alkisg: it is?!
[16:58] <alkisg> Yeah, I can see it in the alpha Lucid live cd
[16:58] <alkisg> The -alsa one, I mean
[16:59] <hyperair> micahg: i don't see anything of sdl in the training session
[17:00] <micahg> hyperair: the training session was for alsa bugs, where I thought the problem with sdl was
[17:00] <hyperair> ah
[17:00] <hyperair> no the problem here is that the wrong flavour of sdl is being installed by default
[17:01] <micahg> hyperair: I had that argument already as you posted a few minutes ago :)
[17:02] <hyperair> heh
[17:02]  * micahg will be quiet now :)
[17:02] <wind-rider> hi
[17:02] <hyperair> libsdl seems to be pretty tiny
[17:02] <hyperair> i think we can install it by default..
[17:02] <wind-rider> i have a question about adding keysyms to xkb
[17:03] <hyperair> wind-rider: #ubuntu
[17:03] <wind-rider> hyperair: i'd like to add them upstream
[17:03] <hyperair> oh. upstream.
[17:03] <hyperair> er
[17:03] <hyperair> file a bug?
[17:03] <wind-rider> hyperair: i though #ubuntu is for "customer support"
[17:03] <hyperair> yeah, sorry
[17:04] <hyperair> i thought you were asking about how to add keysyms to some config file in $HOME
[17:04] <wind-rider> hyperair: that can be done using a xmodmap file
[17:04] <wind-rider> hyperair: indeed
[17:04] <hyperair> mmhmm
[17:05] <hyperair> wind-rider: so which upstream do you mean?
[17:05] <wind-rider> hyperair: but i have a sony vaio sr-series laptop which has some hotkeys and a mode- and settings-button for them
[17:05] <hyperair> ah
[17:05] <hyperair> i see
[17:05] <wind-rider> hyperair: i think something should be added to the xkb-data package
[17:05] <hyperair> hmmmm
[17:05] <hyperair> i'm not sure where it goes
[17:05] <hyperair> wasn't it supposed to go through udev or something...
[17:05] <hyperair> @_@
[17:06] <wind-rider> hyperair: like this: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Hotkeys/Architecture
[17:06] <wind-rider> hyperair: i think udev is when there is no keycode yet
[17:06] <hyperair> ah
[17:06] <hyperair> right
[17:06] <wind-rider> hyperair: but these keys already generate a keycode, only they do not have a X11 keysym
[17:06] <hyperair> basically you're saying that xev has your keycode, right?
[17:07] <hyperair> oh
[17:07] <wind-rider> hyperair: xev returns the keycode, but 'NoSymbol' as keysym
[17:07] <hyperair> i see.
[17:07] <hyperair> well i'm not sure where that goes =p
[17:07] <wind-rider> hyperair: and that makes that i can't use them in qt or kde
[17:07] <wind-rider> hyperair: i think i have to use http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/XKeyboardConfig/Rules
[17:07] <wind-rider> hyperair: but i could use some help
[17:08] <hyperair> wind-rider: are you sure? if xev can capture it, it can be used.
[17:08] <hyperair> wind-rider: as a hotkey i mean
[17:08] <hyperair> my keyboard used to have missing keysyms too
[17:08] <hyperair> it gave me a bunch of 0xwhatever
[17:08] <wind-rider> hyperair: in gnome, yes, but not in kde
[17:08] <hyperair> ah
[17:08] <hyperair> KDE's fault then
[17:08] <wind-rider> hyperair: you mean using gnome-keybinding-settings or so?
[17:08] <hyperair> yes
[17:08] <hyperair> but you did mention that gnome yes but not in kde
[17:08] <wind-rider> hyperair: well, qt and kde do not respond that way
[17:09] <hyperair> so go file a bug in KDE
[17:09] <hyperair> or QT
[17:09] <hyperair> or whichever is at fault
[17:09] <hyperair> i'd sugget that you also file a bug with xkb
[17:09] <wind-rider> hyperair: kde is qt-based
[17:09] <hyperair> or wherever the keysyms come from
[17:09] <hyperair> wind-rider: i'm very well aware of that.
[17:10] <wind-rider> hyperair: i meant the fact that it doesn't work in kde is because it doesn't work in qt
[17:10] <hyperair> but is the library that lacks support for it qt or kde?
[17:10] <hyperair> ah
[17:10] <wind-rider> hyperair: but i
[17:10] <hyperair> i thought KDE was the one that handled hotkeys...
[17:10] <hyperair> Qt's just a graphical toolkit
[17:11] <wind-rider> hyperair: it's qt, see http://api.kde.org/4.0-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKShortcut.html#16c533665594ce8b5bf0f756a68a863c
[17:12] <hyperair> aha i see
[17:12] <wind-rider> qt also passes the keys
[17:12] <wind-rider> in a qkeysequence
[17:12] <hyperair> i see
[17:12] <hyperair> so file a bug in qt
[17:12] <hyperair> and also file a bug in xkb so that the keysym comes around
[17:13] <wind-rider> qts keys are mapped to x11s keysyms
[17:13] <hyperair> meh.
[17:13] <hyperair> bad design >_>
[17:13] <wind-rider> hyperair: so if a x11-binding is lacking, it doesn't work i thing
[17:13] <hyperair> hence bad design
[17:14] <hyperair> so file a bug
[17:14] <wind-rider> i can do that, but i'd like to do something about the x11 keysym using http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/XKeyboardConfig/Rules
[17:14] <wind-rider> and i was hoping somebody could help me here
[17:15] <hyperair> i think #ubuntu-x would have more people who could help you with this..
[17:15] <hyperair> i'm not familiar with this
[17:15] <wind-rider> ok, i did not know that channel exists
[17:15] <hyperair> =)
[17:15] <hyperair> either way you should still file a bug first
[17:16] <hyperair> in the upstream bug tracker
[17:16] <hyperair> *trackers
[17:16] <hyperair> qt inclusive
[17:16] <hyperair> i'd consider it a bug to not be able to handle sequences that are caught correctly by xev
[17:19] <wind-rider> hyperair: you could say that, yes
[17:20] <wind-rider> hyperair: i see qt can return scancodes instead of a 'recognized' key
[17:20] <wind-rider> hyperair: but that those are probably not used in kde
[17:20] <hyperair> then it would be a fault of KDE
[17:20] <hyperair> so the bug would go there
[17:23] <wind-rider> hyperair: thanks for thinking along!
[17:32] <hyperair> np
[17:34] <alkisg> How can I find out which package pulls libsdl in the default ubuntu installation? I've got a Lucid live cd on a vbox right now if it helps...
[17:36] <wind-rider> hyperair: bug reported: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=220712
[17:36]  * hyperair claps
[17:37] <wind-rider> :)
[17:37] <ScottK> alkisg: aptitude why [packagename] may help.
[17:38] <alkisg> ScottK: thanks, just got it with rdepends and grepping,
[17:38] <alkisg> it's libgegl
[17:39] <sbalneav> Prolly for the killer gegls easter egg
[17:40] <alkisg> Ahm... is gimp going to be dropped in Lucid? If so, it appears that it'll take libsdl with it (on the default installation...)
[17:40] <ScottK> That's also not directly seeded.
[17:40] <ScottK> alkisg: My understanding is it's not going to be in the default Ubuntu install.
[17:41] <ScottK> alkisg: Yes, it's just on the dvd now.
[17:41] <alkisg> Hmm then forcing ubuntu-desktop to include libsdl-pulse won't have any chances of being accepted... :(
[17:42] <ScottK> I'd guesss not.
[17:42] <wind-rider> hyperair: i must go, bye!
[17:42]  * hyperair waves
[17:43] <sbalneav> So, then looks like a recommends on pulseaudio would be the way to go.
[17:44] <tmus> debootstrap'ing an ubuntu system leaves me with a keyboard that doesn't work with danish chars... Everything else appears to work fine and the keyboard and fonts have been configured. I suspect some important library is missing from the debootstrap based installation, but cannot figure out which one... Any idea? And should it be fixed?
[17:44] <ScottK> sbalneav: For which package?
[17:45] <alkisg> For libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio, I imagine...
[17:45] <sbalneav> pulseaudio itself?  That way, if your ubuntu flavour installs pulse, you'll get the recommended sdl
[17:46] <sbalneav> ah, sorry, misunderstood the question.
[17:46] <ScottK> Having pulseaudio recommend libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio would also pull it onto the CD.
[17:47] <siretart> is that something we would want? do we have any sdl using applications on the CD?
[17:47] <ScottK> siretart: We don't anymore.
[17:47] <sbalneav> bbiab
[17:47] <alkisg> It's already on the CD
[17:48] <ScottK> alkisg: Why?
[17:48] <alkisg> I mean that it is, *currently*
[17:48] <ScottK> Didn't you just say that gimp was the only thing pulling it on?
[17:48] <alkisg> Yup
[17:48] <ScottK> Gimp isn't on the CD in Lucid.
[17:48] <alkisg> It is, on my alpha..
[17:49] <ScottK> Grepping the seeds produces ubuntu.lucid/dvd: * gimp
[17:49] <alkisg> Well I just booted with the live cd!?? /me rechecks...
[17:49] <siretart> alkisg: try today's daily...
[17:50] <alkisg> siretart: well, that would take me hours :)
[17:50] <alkisg> If it was removed after the alpha, sure, I'm just reporting what I see on my live cd...
[17:52] <ScottK> alkisg: bzr log says: http://paste.debian.net/55247/
[17:53] <alkisg> OK. So. A user installs Lucid. Then he installs tuxpaint. The -alsa flavor of libsdl gets installed, and tuxpaint just hangs.
[17:53] <alkisg> How can that be fixed? I assume modifying 387 packages is not an option, and neither is shipping a different libsdl dummy package for Ubuntu than the one for Kubuntu...
[17:53] <ScottK> So the question would be what bug was crimsun saying seeding the pulse version was just a work around for and how to get it fixed?
[17:54] <alkisg> So what other solutions are there?
[17:54]  * ScottK wonders if hyperair has that in his logs too?
[17:55] <hyperair> ScottK: hmm? what about?
[17:55] <ScottK> [11:54:47] <hyperair> 2009-12.log:09:22 <dtchen> crypt-0: what, using libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio as a workaround? sure, that's a *workaround*. it doesn't at all address the fundamental bug.
[17:56] <ScottK> So what's the fundamental bug?
[17:56] <hyperair> lemme see
[17:57] <alkisg> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/12/08/%23ubuntu-devel.txt
[17:58] <ScottK> alkisg: What time?
[17:59] <hyperair> 09:22 UTC+0800
[17:59] <alkisg> ScottK: [01:22] <dtchen> crypt-0: what, using libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio as a workaround? sure, that's a *workaround*. it doesn't at all address the fundamental bug.
[17:59] <ScottK> Thanks
[17:59] <hyperair> something about not syncing hw ptr
[17:59] <hyperair> nothing much was said there
[18:02] <ScottK> Different issue.
[18:04] <alkisg> Does "Depends: A | B" *always* installs "A" if neither of those packages are already installed?
[18:04] <alkisg> Or is there some way to alter the priorities?
[18:05] <alkisg> Hmmm what about "pulseaudio => conflicts: libsdl-alsa"?
[18:05] <Quibus> What you seem to need is: "if installed(pulseaudio) && needs(libsdl) { install(libsdl-pulsaudio) } so to speak
[18:05] <ScottK> Which isn't supported.
[18:06]  * ScottK punts to crimsun.
[18:06] <hyperair> wait, what alkisg said makes sense, doesn't it?
[18:07] <hyperair> if pulseaudio conflicts all the libsdls except pulseaudio, then it would force the pulseaudio libsdl to be installed, right?
[18:07] <ScottK> It might.  I'd have to test it to make sure.
[18:09] <alkisg> ScottK: I can test it if that'll help in solving the problem. What do I do, build a pulseaudio with "conflicts: libsdl-* except pulse", then install it over the current lucid daily CD, then try to install tuxpaint and see what it gets me?
[18:09] <ScottK> alkisg: Sounds reasonable.
[18:10] <alkisg> OK, will report back in a few hours, when I download the CD... :-/
[18:10] <ScottK> I'd still want to hear from someone who understands SDL better than me to make sure we aren't just creating another problem.
[18:10] <alkisg> (ehm, or I could make a test case with similar dependencies, that'd be much faster...)
[18:11] <ScottK> You could also upload your test package to a PPA now, so it'd be ready after you had the CD downloaded.
[18:12] <alkisg> OK, I'll do that. I hope it'll be worth it... :)
[18:17] <kblin> oh, cool, I found a regression bug :)
[18:21] <kblin> to reopen a bug, I just need to set the status of the bug from fix released to new, right?
[18:21] <ScottK> kblin: It's probably better to file a new bug with a link to the old one as often different issues can have similar symptoms.
[18:22] <ScottK> If a developer agrees the old bug should be reopened, they can do that and mark your new one as a dupe.
[18:22] <kblin> ScottK: it's the exact same thing..
[18:23] <ScottK> kblin: Unless you have a patch, you can't really say that for sure.  I see bugs get reopened all the time and it's almost never the same cause.
[18:23] <kblin> ScottK: the msmtp package doesn't provide "mail-transport-agent", so you can't install that and then mutt without pulling in postfix (or some other mta)
[18:23] <kblin> it's a packaging bug
[18:24] <kblin> it looks like this was fixed for feisty, but in karmic I see the same issue
[18:24] <ScottK> kblin: Yes, but not in msmtp.  It's not an MTA.
[18:25] <kblin> huh? how is that not an mta?
[18:25] <ScottK> "light SMTP client"
[18:25] <ScottK> Being an SMTP client is approximately half of being an MTA.
[18:26] <kblin> fair enough, so it's a mutt packaging bug
[18:26] <ScottK> Seems reasonable to me.
[18:26] <kblin> I'll file a bug againt mutt then
[18:27] <kblin> but given that the deb for msmtp says "msmtp is an SMTP client that can be used to send mails from Mutt", it's a bit silly that you can't use it for just that :)
[18:27] <kblin> but I see the reasoning for considering this a mutt bug
[19:13] <alkisg> The current lucid daily *still* has "autologin not working" problem, like the edubuntu daily I tried 3 days ago also had.
[19:13] <krymel> re
[19:14] <alkisg> It also has gimp and libsdl installed. Removing to properly test...
[19:17] <krymel> my connection was broken last time I asked this: my question was regarding the infrastructure to host packages of the distro. When I want to host all packages of ubuntu lucid on a local http server to have a local shadow mirror copy - is there a howto or documentation how to do this?
[19:23] <bigon> Hi, could someone gives back https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plexus-active-collections ?? I cannot
[19:24] <kblin> krymel: as I said before, you'll want to look at documentation about creating your own remix. :)
[19:24] <krymel> ah ok :) thats the naming :)
[19:24] <krymel> thank you!
[19:24] <krymel> "remix" :-D
[19:25] <kblin> no problem :)
[19:29] <krymel_> member:kblin: maybe you have a link for me pointing to the howto? I cannot find it on google (sry)
[19:56] <naxa> hi. ok. can you help me to build GTK+ on Karmic? :) I'm a complete noob
[19:57] <naxa> I've tried to follow jhbuild's docs but it's so outdated that jhbuild says me it's missing it's jhbuild  python module... (???)
[19:57] <naxa> (or maybe I did something wrong :D)
[19:57] <naxa> (hopefully not)
[19:59] <naxa> ok maybe I should extract it and configure make make install but I thought jhbuild is out there for some reason
[20:05] <naxa> well, never mind.. :)
[20:05] <naxa> bye
[20:51] <hggdh> regarding bug 383502 -- should we move to coreutils timeout, or simply set WONTFIX?
[21:01]  * flyback bbl gotta shutdown while they rewire
[23:08] <crimsun> ScottK: / sbalneav: the issue lies in alsa-plugins, but we may be able to hack around it in pulseaudio
[23:09]  * ScottK fixed the powerpc build failure, but that's about as far as I can go on SDL.
[23:10] <alkisg> ScottK, crimsun: I tried to make pulseaudio conflict with the other libsdl flavors, but I had no success. aptitude was able to installl e.g. tuxpaint afterwards (with solution score=50), but apt-get was unable to.
[23:11] <crimsun> ugh
[23:11] <crimsun> please don't do silly things with libsdl
[23:11] <crimsun> everyone involved knows about the nastiness, and it will be addressed in January
[23:12] <crimsun> again, we have a number of issues to walk:
[23:12] <crimsun> 1) unnecessary wakeups in the pcm core of alsa-kernel
[23:12] <crimsun> 2) incorrect (delayed) "hw ptr" tracking in the pulse alsa-plugin
[23:12] <crimsun> 3) races in PA
[23:13] <alkisg> OK, there are bugs that need to be solved. I still don't understand how SDL is going to use pulse by default on Ubuntu, instead of alsa.
[23:14] <crimsun> alkisg: it can't
[23:14] <crimsun> libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio is in universe, for starters
[23:14] <alkisg> So is libsdl1.2debian-alsa
[23:15] <crimsun> that doesn't even matter
[23:15] <crimsun> libsdl1.2debian is in main
[23:15] <crimsun> that has a dependency on libsdl1.2debian-all
[23:16] <alkisg> Here's a problem: a user installs ltsp and tuxpaint. Both are in main. But the sound doesn't work and the application hangs.
[23:17] <alkisg> Even if it worked, it would come out of the server's speakers, instead of the thin client's, if pulse wasn't used
[23:17] <alkisg> So it's still a bug in main that needs to be solved.
[23:18] <alkisg> Since ubuntu is using pulse, sdl needs to also use pulse by default...
[23:18] <crimsun> I've already outlined the three components that need to be fixed
[23:18] <crimsun> please feel free to contribute resources to fix them
[23:18] <alkisg> But the main problem wasn't addressed
[23:18] <alkisg> Even if those problems are fixed, still the ltsp/sdl problem remains
[23:19] <alkisg> (unless I didn't understand something, of course)
[23:20] <alkisg> In any case, thank you for your time...
[23:21] <crimsun> well, the crux of your ltsp/libsdl issue is that it's easy to fix for "Ubuntu" and simultaneously break Kubuntu and Xubuntu
[23:22] <alkisg> Right. I wish the packagement system was clever enough to understand that we want libsdl-pulse when we are using pulseaudio.
[23:22] <crimsun> so, either Ubuntu gains an explicit seed for libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio and Kubuntu/Xubuntu, libsdl1.2debian-all instead, stuff is going to break.
[23:23] <crimsun> I don't think (at least offhand) that the package manager has to do anything special. Just the seeds need to be changed.
[23:23] <alkisg> Would that be too bad? (including a seed for libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio)
[23:23] <alkisg> It isn't a big library...
[23:24] <crimsun> I don't think so as long as the corresponding change for Kubuntu & Xubuntu (libsdl1.2debian-all) are made simultaneously.
[23:28] <_zap_> hi. i would like to install (k)ubuntu on a loop-aes encrypted root.
[23:29] <_zap_> for this it seems i have to modify the installation cd
[23:29] <_zap_> which is ok
[23:30] <_zap_> but i don't see how i can make tell the graphical installer to install ubuntu on /dev/loopX instead of the hard disk
[23:30] <_zap_> is there a way to do that?
[23:30] <wgrant> _zap_: #ubuntu can help you.
[23:30] <_zap_> ok#
[23:31] <krymel> has anyone an idea where I can find an irc room for asking questions regarding to special topics in linux network stack implementation?
[23:33] <crimsun> if there aren't references from either linux-netdev or kernelnewbies, then I don't know offhand
[23:33] <_zap_> krymel: if it's about kernel programming you could try ##kernel
[23:34] <krymel> thanks, _zap_
[23:35] <_zap_> krymel: np
[23:40] <crimsun> ok, I'll be sending out an e-mail to ubuntu-devel{,-discuss}, but I'm disabling powerdown for all HDA controllers due to our kernel being unlikely to ship the necessary patches
[23:40] <crimsun> One side effect is that your glitching and popping after 10 seconds (or coming back from idle) will disappear
[23:41] <crimsun> Since my patches to fix these issues have already been merged into ALSA <IP_ADDRESS>, they'll likely land in a linux-backports-modules-alsa-lucid-generic or something, so people who really want the additional 0.5W-0.7W savings can install that package
[23:43] <BUGabundo> evening guys
[23:43] <BUGabundo>  ERROR: ioctl() [No such file or directory][2]
[23:43] <BUGabundo> rings any bells to anyone ?
[23:44] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/n2n/+bug/501768
[23:44] <crimsun> I just gave you a pointer in +1
[23:44]  * BUGabundo checks