[05:53] <Fallen> ilvipero: https://opensource.com/article/22/9/measure-success-your-open-source-event
[05:55] <ilvipero> Fallen: thanks for sharing!
[06:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Fallen: Anything happening as far as the documentation initiative?
[06:02]  * arraybolt3[m] is looking forward to working on migrating stuff
[06:04] <Fallen> Will take a look today. I unfortunately didn't get a response in #ubuntu-doc, so I am just going to go ahead and use that channel for the call to action. I think the final steps might be to set up the launchpad project (or find an existing one?) and then post to discourse.
[06:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Launchpad's search isn't being very helpful :P
[06:09] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm not finding anything on Launchpad so far, should I make an "Ubuntu Wiki Migration Team" or something like that? Or should I let you create it?
[06:13] <arraybolt3> (Or maybe "wiki migration team" is too strict - perhaps "Ubuntu Community Documentation Team" or something like that?)
[06:15] <Fallen> Not to be confused with https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-doc :)
[06:16] <Fallen> The CC owns the doc team, so maybe we need to check with them on how to best approach that part and how well it should be integrated into the existing doc team
[06:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Fallen: According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam, it appears they only handle technical documentation, whereas we're worried with community documentation.
[06:18] <arraybolt3[m]> (At some point we'll probably want to or need to tackle the technical documentation too, especially since (IIRC) wiki.ubuntu.com has technical info scattered through it, but for now it seems separate.)
[06:21] <Fallen> Yeah, Daniele our Director of Documentation also preferred we scope this effort to the governance and contrib docs also wanted this to be reflected in the name of the initiative. His best guess was "Community Governance Documentation Team" but he admitted it isn't a 100% fit.
[06:21] <Fallen> I would find it confusing if there is a documentation team based in the community, and a community documentation team.
[06:22] <Fallen> I have yet to have my first coffee, but I think it might make sense to expand the scope of the doc team and make community governance an initiative in that team.
[06:22] <Fallen> This way we might also benefit from reeling in some contributors in that area
[06:22] <arraybolt3[m]> That's pretty good, but true, "governance" doesn't quite work. I'll think about it and let you know if I come up with anything better.
[06:22] <Fallen> Exactly
[06:23] <Fallen> Thank you, I'll put some additional thought into it as well. Great job on the scope and communication section btw, you even used the Diataxis categories!
[06:23] <arraybolt3[m]> Thanks, figuring out how to get the stuff to fit Diataxis was a bit tricky, but it made it feel and look better.
[06:42] <arraybolt3[m]> Fallen: I told my best friend about our thing with trying to name our team, and between the two of us we got together some name ideas:
[06:42] <arraybolt3[m]> Ubuntu Community Standards Team (I think this one is the best)
[06:42] <arraybolt3[m]> Team Standards Documentation Team
[06:42] <arraybolt3[m]> Ubuntu Community Operational Documentation Team
[06:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Or maybe "Ubuntu Community Standards Documentation Team"?
[07:22] <Fallen> Some good suggestions! To add one to the bikeshedding: "Community Governance & Contribution Docs Team" :)
[07:23] <Fallen> A few gems I've found browsing the wiki stats: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLiveChatSupport http://web.archive.org/web/20190206071311/https://shop.canonical.com/ (indirectly, via /t-shirts)
[07:23] <arraybolt3> Oh lotuspsychje would LOVE it if we pulled that off, I bet.
[07:24] <Fallen> Yes, lotuspsychje came to mind immediately :D
[07:26] <arraybolt3> Whew, it's *ancient* but looks perfect. Not sure it would be worth trying to resurrect the old code, but writing a reboot shouldn't be too tricky I would think.
[07:29] <arraybolt3> I dunno, it seems so cool, but it might be easier to just throw a "Live Chat Support" button into Yelp and call it a day.
[07:29] <arraybolt3> (Though if we did resurrect it and got every flavor to accept it, that might be really cool.)
[07:36] <arraybolt3> Maybe we could even go as far as writing our own simple IRC client just for Ubuntu tech support. (This idea is rapidly exploding in my mind LOL)
[07:38] <Fallen> Ref standards xkcd, but for irc clients ;-)
[07:43] <arraybolt3[m]> I guess really, the list of IRC support channels is probably already enough for helping a user get to IRC, and there already is one universal IRC client - the webchat. Maybe we could just make a simple desktop file that autolaunched the default browser pointing to the IRC channel list - that would work for every single flavor and take an extremely low amount of effort (as in, I could probably write the package tonight,
[07:43] <arraybolt3[m]> and have it tested and submitted tomorrow).
[07:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Though the auto-locale linking of the live chat support app would be very nice to have.
[07:45] <arraybolt3[m]> But I think I know a way to make even that happen without having to code a whole entire app from scratch.
[07:46] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright, sorry to be noisy, I'll keep thinking about it elsewhere and maybe bring it up again if I have a fully formed plan.
[08:14] <Fallen> No need to apologize, good to think through a few things! (making breakfast, therefore haven't responded:)
[08:23] <alkisg> Last time I checked, most locale channels weren't really active (with a few notable exceptions), so most people prefer the global ones
[08:27] <arraybolt3[m]> alkisg: I can see people in all of the locale channels I've checked so far. Even ones with only a few people in them may still be active enough - for instance, #lubuntu-es looks nearly dead, but one of our Lubuntu Members, Roberalz, is in there and I'm pretty sure I've watched him do a couple of support sessions (I think I even did one with him).
[08:28] <arraybolt3[m]> (Er, I guess not watched but more like seen - I don't speak Spanish :P)
[08:29] <alkisg> Check the message history size, not how many people are in. Some greek channels have 20 idlers and the last message was 5 years ago
[08:29] <alkisg> But even if one is active, it's usually not the best place for primary support, considering that most people either already know some english or can use google translate
[08:29] <alkisg> *if one person only is active
[08:30] <arraybolt3[m]> That's a good point.
[08:30] <alkisg> So e.g. while initially I was pointing greek teachers to greek support channels, after a couple of years I stopped doing that and I'm linking the english support channels now (since the last 10 years or so)
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> arraybolt3[m] Fallen that livechat wiki looks pretty cool indeed!
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> arraybolt3[m]: yelp direct chat support would be awesome indeed
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> also according to my hexchat/irc client wishlist, the other ubuntu flavours already have a more tight support system then ubuntu-desktop
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hexchat/+bug/1831220
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> maybe alkisg could enlighten us more about how mate does it
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> does it have an irc client by default/ a help icon with mate support chat?
[09:22] <alkisg> There's an ubuntu-mate-welcome snap app that I've never seen because I uninstall snap right after the installation is finished :D
[09:23] <alkisg> I think I've seen hexchat preinstalled in past ubuntu mate versions, but not in recent ones
[09:23] <alkisg> What's wrong with using a browser-based irc client?
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> nothing, just wanted to know how mate does it
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: this is the case for ubuntu-desktop; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+bug/1988847
[09:27] <alkisg> https://ubuntu.com/support/community-support could indeed be much improved and not require 3 clicks to reach irc
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> does mate use yelp too?
[09:30] <alkisg> Yup
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> cool tnx
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> how about thunderbird alkisg
[09:33] <alkisg> It went from evolution to thunderbird (4 years) and in 22.04 back to evolution
[09:33]  * alkisg uninstalls evolution and reinstalls thunderbird :)
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> wow, does evolution do irc chat too?
[09:46] <alkisg> No idea, I uninstall it before running it :D
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> been ages since i ran that too
[09:54] <Fallen> ogra: congrats, your page on the wiki is in the top 1100 most viewed pages this year, more important than debugging mysql, kernel feature freeze, and UbuntuTV!
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> woot
[10:56] <ogra> Fallen, lol
[10:57] <ogra> i shoudl probably update it 🙂
[15:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> Fallen: See DMs when you get a chance.
[17:09]  * arraybolt3[m] posted a file: (2747KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/LurVnKkwOSrmyluXREuzXNWE/logs.txt >
[17:09] <arraybolt3[m]> No, wrong channel, sorry (re: logs.txt)
[17:09] <arraybolt3[m]> (That was supposed to go in #ubuntu 🤦♂)
[21:31] <teward> Fallen: ilvipero: either of you around?
[21:31] <teward> need a contact @ Canonical for something specific
[21:32] <teward> the level of criticality here i would call "medium" but still needs to be handled at Canonical's level
[21:32] <Fallen> teward: Mauro isn't going to be up yet and I'm about to head out :) Email me and I'll cc the right person?
[21:33] <teward> Fallen: stick around for 3 minutes, see incoming PM


[00:22] <goodjobopers> incest is best - put your sister to the test
[00:32] <apb1963> How can I change file associations for the browser, so that I get a different browser to come up when I click on a downloaded file?
[00:32] <apb1963> kubuntu 14.04
[00:58] <reepeecheep> Hello, I have a problem when play a mkv video, is lag and pixel gray screen, Only occurss with VLC
[01:00] <reepeecheep> Some idea??
[01:00] <reepeecheep> Sorry  4 my eng
[01:16] <rimminen> Miten tällä konversationilla pääsee quakenettii tietylle kanavalle, ensimmäistä kertaa tälläisen kyydissä
[03:56] <M1keHoax> Good evening all! Can anyone help me set up Kubuntu 14 to watch netflix?
[04:00] <jfd5te> I don't have a netflix subscription, but I saw this posted today: http://lifehacker.com/you-can-now-watch-netflix-on-linux-with-ubuntu-and-chro-1644972250
[04:05] <goodjobopers> incest is best - put your sister to the test
[04:05] <maysara> Hello, I get this error when I open muon "Opening /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list - ifstream::ifstream (13: Permission denied)" then the program closes
[04:07] <buriedalive> maysara open in the terminal
[04:09] <maysara> buriedalive: It only opens with sudo
[04:11] <buriedalive> typing - muon
[04:12] <maysara> buriedalive: opened now without sudo. Thanks
[04:14] <buriedalive> not at all ;)
[04:16] <maysara> Is there a way to force the windows to open in the center of the screen instead of the corners?
[04:16] <buriedalive> u may
[04:17] <buriedalive> sudo apt-get install --reinstall muon
[04:17] <buriedalive> apt-get better aptitude
[04:18] <buriedalive> tryin
[04:18] <buriedalive> and say to
[04:20] <buriedalive> I not use muon, terminal only
[04:21] <buriedalive> it so hard for me)
[04:23] <maysara> buriedalive: I was talking generally about any window
[04:24] <buriedalive> maysara no no, trying
[04:24] <buriedalive> I sure
[04:26] <buriedalive> u try?
[06:48] <ochiottes> hi there
[06:49] <ochiottes> is there a problem with the 14.10 beta2 image with plasma5?
[06:49] <libreSSL> there have been reports
[06:49] <ochiottes> after the install it takes five minutes and longer to start up
[06:49] <ochiottes> ah, thank you
[06:50] <ochiottes> where would i find those reports?
[06:51] <libreSSL> er... im not sure :c
[06:52] <libreSSL> but, people have been reporting problems with Plasma 5
[06:58] <ochiottes> is there a virtual package to pull in a full kde4?
[07:09] <ochiottes> where would i find those reports?
[07:25] <ochiottes> libreSSL: i forgot something: fuck you and your fucking autistic attitude
[07:25] <libreSSL> wat
[07:25] <libreSSL> ???
[07:26] <libreSSL> wow, rude
[07:27] <libreSSL> huh
[07:27] <libreSSL> doesn't share any channels with me...
[07:37] <valorie> geez
[08:13] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:02] <MoonUnit`> debating if i should install 14.10 today, it's pretty close to release, it should be reasonably stable shouldn't it?
[09:03] <lordievader> MoonUnit`: Still it is a development release and therefore is not recommended to install it right now.
[09:03] <MoonUnit`> will 20 days make a difference though, not sure.
[09:04] <lordievader> MoonUnit`: It can still break, like I said it is a development release.
[09:04] <MoonUnit`> so tempting though ;)
[09:04] <lordievader> Unless you are prepared to have breakage on your hands don't install and run a development release.
[09:05] <MoonUnit`> repos get hammered on release day
[09:05] <valorie> MoonUnit`: install if you want to test
[09:06] <valorie> please don't if you want stability
[09:06] <valorie> some folks are using it daily
[09:06] <MoonUnit`> currently running it in vmware
[09:06] <valorie> some are still encountering difficulty
[09:06] <valorie> please file bugs when you find 'em
[09:07] <MoonUnit`> yeah caja won't run without adding --sync
[09:34] <hyper_ch> hi there, how do I get KF 5 in Kubuntu 14.10? and can KDE 4 and KF 5 run together?
[09:36] <lordievader> hyper_ch: In Utopic they cannot. Use the kubuntu-next ppa to install Plasma5.
[09:36] <lordievader> hyper_ch: But be warned, it is still very new and not quite suited for daily use.
[09:36] <hyper_ch> lordievader: so no kde 4 and kf5 together?
[09:37] <lordievader> hyper_ch: Not on Utopic. By the by, kde4 has been renamed to Plasma4.
[09:37] <lordievader> hyper_ch: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next
[09:38] <hyper_ch> all this different naming makes things really confusing
[09:38] <hyper_ch> why would kde4 be renamed to plasma4... just doesn't make much sense IMHO
[09:39] <lordievader> hyper_ch: It does if you look at Plasma5, but Riddell can explain this better.
[09:39] <hyper_ch> just upgrading from 14.04 to 14.10... but made hotcopy first
[09:39] <hyper_ch> kde is kde is kde... has been kde for a long time... so I fail to see why there's now Plasma 4 and Plasma 5
[09:40] <valorie> kde is the community
[09:40] <valorie> plasma has been plasma for a long time
[09:40] <libreSSL> There's KDE SC 4, and KDE Plasma 5
[09:40] <valorie> the old branding wasn't working
[09:41] <valorie> the new branding isn't totally working yet either
[09:41] <hyper_ch> better just stick to kde
[09:41] <jussi> kde ma<rketing is very poor atm...
[09:42] <hyper_ch> jussi: you imply the marketing was good at some point
[09:42] <jussi> and we should go to offtopic perhaps
[09:44] <valorie> hyper_ch: help in marketing always welcome as well
[09:44] <hyper_ch> I don't believe in marketing
[09:44] <lordievader> valorie: I suppose help in general is welcome ;)
[09:45] <valorie> pretty much
[09:45] <hyper_ch> marketing = how to trick people into getting somethign they don't want/need
[09:45] <valorie> well, promo
[09:45] <valorie> trickery is something else altogether
[09:46] <valorie> but jussi is right, lets take this to #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:46] <hyper_ch> no thx, I don't like OT channels... I fail to see their use
[09:46] <hyper_ch> anyway, thx for the help
[09:46] <lordievader> Hmm, okay.
[10:06] <libreSSL> clamav warning thing lel: WARNING: Local version: 0.98.1 Recommended version: 0.98.4
[10:06] <libreSSL> how to request an update to be pushed to the repos?
[10:10] <lordievader> libreSSL: File a wishlist bug. But may I ask why you are running clamav?
[10:11] <libreSSL> safe computing practicies
[10:11] <libreSSL> *practices
[10:11] <libreSSL> just because I'm on linux doesn't mean i shouldn't run an antivirus
[10:11] <lordievader> For Linux running an antivirus is a waste of CPU cycles.
[10:12] <lordievader> Unless it is a server serving files to Windows hosts.
[10:12] <libreSSL> the only thing continuously running is freshclam
[12:21] <BluesKaj> hi all
[13:50] <amacuser99> hey all burned kubuntu i386 iso to dvd .. but mac rejects it
[13:51] <amacuser99> any ideas?
[13:51] <lordievader> amacuser99: How did you create them?
[13:51] <lordievader> And did you verify the md5sum?
[13:52] <amacuser99> ImgBurn to burn ISO
[13:52] <amacuser99> yeah it runs on my PC system
[13:53] <amacuser99> I mean its booting into Kubuntu on PC
[13:53] <lordievader> Your mac is capable of booting a i386 kernel?
[13:53] <amacuser99> it boots 32bit if that's what you mean
[13:54] <lordievader> Yes.
[13:55] <lordievader> amacuser99: Do you get anything at all or does it just reboot?
[13:57] <amacuser99> no ... it just spits it out the superdrive
[13:57] <lordievader> amacuser99: Sounds like it cannot even read the disk. Perhaps you can try a live-usb.
[13:58] <amacuser99> btw I seem to have deleted the mac os setup good point
[13:58] <amacuser99> I might have a tiger disk lying around... but do i really need an osx to install linux?
[13:59] <lordievader> I don't think so. But I have no experience with Macs.
[13:59] <amacuser99> Any link for Live USB?
[14:00] <lordievader> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[14:01] <amacuser99> ok.
[14:01] <amacuser99> any parameters for Mac format?
[14:02] <lordievader> amacuser99: Like I said I don't have experience with Macs.
[14:12] <amacuser99> still no bootup from usb
[14:12] <amacuser99> any idea how can I format gpt to mbr using some rescue disk
[14:15] <lordievader> amacuser99: If you can get it to boot, most live-cds carry parted.
[14:16] <amacuser99> any specific small disk image? coz kubuntu ain't spinnin'
[14:17] <lordievader> Err, Gentoo's live-cd ain't very large.
[14:22] <amacuser99> Ok.. I'm gonna try a persistent EFI loader
[14:22] <amacuser99> :)
[15:35] <nanard47> bonjour
[15:36] <lordievader> !fr | nanard47
[15:42] <DrSkyLizard> Does anyone know how can I prevent events showing up in the calendar? (the Display events checkbox is unticked and events are still showen Inside Digital Clock Settings -> Calendar -> Display events)
[19:29] <klebezettel> hi there; I would like to use kmymoney in german; I've installed language-pack-kde-de and kde-l10n-de and started kmymoney via "LANG_ALL=de_DE@euro kmymoney"...but the interface is still in english - any hint what to do?
[19:51] <XerX> Hi
[19:51] <XerX> I need some help please
[19:51] <bprompt> !ask
[19:54] <XerX> ah alright sorry
[19:54] <XerX> So I have installed Kubuntu and I cannot seem to get my bamboo tablet to work correctly.
[19:54] <XerX> The OS picks up what Im doing, but my mouse wont follow the tablet
[19:58] <bprompt> !wacom | XerX
[19:58] <bprompt> hmm
[19:58] <bprompt> XerX:    maybe https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wacom/LatestDriver
[19:58] <XerX> hm?
[19:58] <XerX> I just nstalled the latest driver...I think
[20:00] <bprompt> XerX:    maybe some settings are disabled methinks under > system settings > input devices ?
[20:00] <XerX> If it helps, Im using a Bamboo Pen and Touch Wacom Tablet,
[20:01] <XerX> And I checked all of the settings, and there is nothing that has to do with 'Following the cursor'
[20:02] <XerX> also
[20:03] <bprompt> hmmm     dunno.... haven't done much configuring on wacom tablets yet
[20:03] <XerX> sudo apt-get install wacom-dkms comes up with "E: Unable to locate package wacom-dkms"
[20:03] <bprompt> XerX:    is a ppa you need to add, thus
[20:03] <XerX> whats a ppa?
[20:04] <bprompt> XerX:    read the under the heading "Using A Package Archive"
[20:04] <XerX> I have just done all of those steps
[20:04] <XerX> before hand
[20:05] <bprompt> did you do an "update" after adding the ppa and all... the package should show up then
[20:05] <XerX> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/doctormo/wacom-plus/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found  E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[20:05] <XerX> yes
[20:05] <XerX> I did an update
[20:06] <bprompt> well... seems the ppa never installed anyhow....  though the tablet is working....    just not following the mouse... hmmm  dunno.... sounds like a config in tablet itself
[20:07] <XerX> That cannot be though, as it works just fine on a Windows and a Mac.
[20:07] <XerX> Why wouldnt it work on a Linux?
[20:08] <XerX> also on another note, It has worked with Ubuntu
[20:08] <XerX> in the past at least
[20:34] <Guest21335> hi
[20:34] <Guest21335> i have aproblem with
[20:34] <Guest21335> apache2
[20:35] <Guest21335> my site is working but the peoples no more to enter it
[20:43] <XerX> oh
[20:43] <XerX> I have fixed it!
[20:43] <XerX> haha
[20:47] <lordievader> Guest21335: Do you mean people can not access it?
[20:48] <Guest21335> 403 forribiden
[20:48] <Guest21335> but
[20:48] <Guest21335> the server its working
[20:48] <Guest21335> bor
[20:48] <Guest21335> bro
[20:48] <Guest21335> beause its service
[20:48] <Guest21335> :D
[20:48] <Guest21335> and
[20:48] <Guest21335> working
[20:49] <lordievader> !enter | Guest21335
[20:50] <Guest21335> !enter
[20:50] <Guest21335> what
[20:50] <Guest21335> :?
[20:50] <Guest21335> its a simple owncloud service
[20:50] <Guest21335> :D
[20:51] <lordievader> Hmm, seems to be removed. Anyhow, no need to hit enter after each word. Irc is quite capable of handling entire sentences.
[20:51] <lordievader> Guest21335: Anyhow, a 403 sounds like a misconfiguration.
[20:51] <Guest21335> think to - the folder rights
[20:51] <Guest21335> because
[20:51] <Guest21335> :x
[20:51] <Guest21335> dont have a - view access
[20:51] <Guest21335> idont know
[20:51] <Guest21335> its now alloed
[20:51] <bprompt> erorr 403 is just a permissions setting.... maybe in either httpd.conf or some other .conf file or in an .htaccess file inside the directory, but I"d assume that'd be for #apache or so
[20:52] <lordievader> ^ that or #ubuntu-server.
[20:52] <bprompt> Guest21335:     there's no extra charge for using more than 10chars per line, feel free to use as many as you can cram
[20:52] <Guest21335> Access forbidden!
[20:52] <Guest21335> thaht the erooe
[20:52] <Guest21335> thaht the eroor*
[20:53] <bprompt> Guest21335:      that's webserver permission settings though, no OS's per se
[20:53] <Guest21335> i have a kubuntu lts 14.o4
[20:53] <bprompt> !paste | Guest21335     if  you wish to paste 20 10chars line  ->
[20:54] <lordievader> Guest21335: Still, either #apache or #ubuntu-server would be better fit for your config issue.
[20:54] <Guest21335> thank you
[20:54] <Guest21335> if have a apache chanel
[20:55] <bprompt> Guest21335:   yeap... any of the .conf files for the httpd  or an .htaccess inside  the folder with the 403
[20:55] <lordievader> Reading the logs will likely also help.
[20:55] <Guest21335> ha aha
[20:55] <Guest21335> but
[20:55] <Guest21335> its
[20:55] <Guest21335> and
[20:55] <Guest21335> i olso
[20:55] <Guest21335> having a problem with terminal
[20:56] <Guest21335> - grafic output -calling Konsole
[20:56] <lordievader> Please dont use your enter key instead of the period key.
[20:58] <Guest21335> aha
[20:59] <Guest21335> sory verry much i just writing and pressing  :d and flooding :d
[22:18] <Guest21335> iwant to purge the
[22:18] <Guest21335> apache
[22:18] <Guest21335> package
[22:19] <Guest21335> how purge
[22:19] <Guest21335> :?
[22:19] <Guest21335> in terminal:?
[22:19] <Guest21335> wich comand must i usre
[22:36] <Guest21335> phpmyadmin
[22:36] <Guest21335> not working
[22:36] <Guest21335> why
[22:36] <Guest21335> helo me
[22:36] <valorie> Guest21335: sudo apt-get purge apache (if that is the name of the package)
[22:38] <Guest21335> thank you valorie
[22:38] <Guest21335> iwas reinstalled the server
[22:38] <Guest21335> but stuped phpmyadmin not workinb
[22:38] <Guest21335> iwas preinstaling the my-sql but not workig
[22:38] <Guest21335> d
[22:38] <valorie> this is really not a kubuntu issue
[22:39] <Guest21335> yes
[22:39] <Guest21335> okay
[22:39] <Guest21335> can i use the xcfe on kubuntu
[22:39] <Guest21335> and ho
[22:39] <Guest21335> and how:?
[22:39] <valorie> you'll have much better luck in the proper channel
[22:39] <valorie> `sudo apt install xubuntu-desktop`
[22:40] <valorie> you can use that *instead of* kubuntu
[22:40] <valorie> not ON kubuntu
[22:40] <Guest21335> haa
[22:40] <Guest21335> aha
[22:40] <valorie> kubuntu=KDE, while xubuntu=xcfe
[22:41] <Guest21335> but if i want more to install all - gnome-kde-xffe - and more
[22:41] <Guest21335> but if i want more to install all - gnome-kde-xffe - and more?
[22:41] <Guest21335> that is cool
[22:41] <Guest21335> :D
[22:41] <Guest21335> and if you want more to use the console method :d
[22:42] <valorie> it's the same for gnome `sudo apt install gnome-desktop`
[22:42] <valorie> you can use any application with any desktop, within reason
[22:43] <valorie> your system might get pretty muddied with lots of different desktops, however
[22:43] <valorie> since they all come with dependencies
[22:43] <valorie> some of which possibly will conflict
[22:46] <Guest2846> sorry


[00:41] <msvb-lab> Has anyone succeeded in dualbooting (via dualboot.sh) with Cyanogenmod 11?
[01:08] <sergiusens> rsalveti: ever seen something like: D/ACDB-LOADER( 1833): No existing ION info in ACDB driver ?
[01:10] <rsalveti> sergiusens: hm, not sure, but I'd guess so
[01:10] <rsalveti> sergiusens: why?
[01:12] <sergiusens> rsalveti: can't make calls on this mako...
[01:13] <sergiusens> rsalveti: but I just swapped SIMs, my SIM scissoring might have busted the one I bought today :-P
[01:15] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right :-)
[01:16] <sergiusens> provisioning worked, and it seems to be registered on the network as well
[01:17] <sergiusens> rsalveti: on another topic, is this common? E/MP-Decision( 1064): Error 13 setting online status to 0 for cpu3 ... have a bunch of those here...
[01:17] <rsalveti> sergiusens: yeah, that's because of ogra_'s changes during init
[01:18] <rsalveti> but nothing critical, just annoying indeed
[01:19] <ogra_> you can disable the upstart job that forces the cores online
[01:19] <sergiusens> rsalveti: rsalvetiso I still get those weird errors when making a call, but seems to work now
[01:19] <sergiusens> rsalveti: we should suppress those at least
[01:20] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right, afaik some are coming from a binary blob
[01:20] <ogra_> sergiusens, impossible
[01:20] <ogra_> MP-Decision is a binary blob ...
[01:20] <sergiusens> E/MP-Decision is from the blob then?
[01:20] <sergiusens> meh
[01:20] <sergiusens> suppress them in logcat itself then :-)
[01:20] <ogra_> if you want it quiet to see logs disable /etc/init/no-cpu-hotplug.conf
[01:39] <cwayne> is there a dbus service to get the device's location?
[02:10] <rsalveti> cwayne: there's location-service
[02:11] <cwayne> rsalveti: how would you call that from a scope?
[02:11] <rsalveti> cwayne: hm, not sure, better ping mandel or tvoss
[02:11] <rsalveti> never used that interface
[03:35] <msvb-lab> It seems Cyanogenmod 11 update (released yesterday?) messed up dualboot.sh, causing UbuntuInstall.apk to be put in the right location, but it's logic doesn't work.
[03:35] <msvb-lab> That is, no icon appears in the app list.
[05:20] <shuduo> anyone know why 'run application on device' failed by Ubuntu-SDK?
[06:16] <dholbach> good morning
[06:18] <nhaines> dholbach: good morning.  :)
[06:18] <dholbach> hey nhaines
[06:19] <nhaines> I'm bummed.  I went to update my Miiverse webapp on Friday and it's completely broken.  And when I updated it to use the instructions given on developer.ubuntu.com it stayed broken.
[06:19] <nhaines> Works on my desktop but not on the phone.
[06:19] <nhaines> Before bed I'll reboot my phone into Ubuntu and capture some error messages.
[06:19] <nhaines> But apparently webapp-container in trusty and in utopic are completely incompatible.
[06:21] <nhaines> Luckily I'm not as angry about it today, so I should be in a much better mood when I write on the list.  :)
[07:51]  * asac installs latest devel promotion \o/
[08:12] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Eat Your Vegetables Day! :-D
[08:14] <dm1ri> thx :D didn't know there was anything like tah
[08:28] <kurros> whee
[08:29] <ogra_> didrocks, would you have time to drop by in the landing meeting ? there was a question coming up about why the silos are all configured to build without -proposed, do you know anything about that ?
[08:30] <didrocks> ogra_: I can come, but the answer is easy I guess: I think it's just that it was not reenable after utopic opened
[08:30] <didrocks> ogra_: I cut that off at release opening times as there are some troubles
[08:31] <didrocks> but otherwise, it should pick them, so it's just an oversight to not reenable them
[08:31] <ogra_> didrocks, ok
[08:31] <ogra_> didrocks, thanks
[08:36] <la_juyis> hi dpm ! I forgot to "prepare for android update", and now it seems I can't neither update nor uninstall dual boot. any tip to at least uninstall so i can reinstall again?
[08:37] <dpm> hi la_juyis, does doing a regular dualboot install (i.e. running dualboot.sh) not work?
[08:38] <la_juyis> dpm, nope, didn
[08:38] <la_juyis> t work either :/
[08:39] <dpm> la_juyis, what error are you getting, or where is the installation getting stuck?
[08:39] <la_juyis> dpm, that's the thing. I don't get any errors
[08:39] <la_juyis> it seems like it worked, but then either trying to update or reboot into ubuntu does nothing
[08:40] <dpm> la_juyis, have you got the SuperUser app installed?
[08:40] <dpm> on the Android side
[08:40] <dpm> la_juyis, and have you tried running the Dual Boot app on the Android side and reinstalling Ubuntu?
[08:43] <la_juyis> dpm, yes, I do have it installed.
[08:43] <la_juyis> dpm, how can i reinstall ubuntu? :)
[08:44] <la_juyis> dpm, in the menu i just see prepare for the update, uninstall and update storage use
[08:46] <dpm> la_juyis, you can use the "Uninstall Ubuntu" menu option (it won't remove your user data unless you explicitly tell it to) and then reinstall
[08:49] <dpm> la_juyis, also check that even if the SuperSU app shows in the list of apps, that you can run it too.
[08:49] <ogra_> dpm, so with the reverting of the split greeter a bunch of greeter translations are gone (i guess nobody bothered to translate stuff that was initially supposed to be dropped) ...
[08:50] <ogra_> is anyone looking into that ?
[08:50] <dpm> ogra_, I had no idea, which translations? lightdm?
[08:50] <ogra_> dpm, nope, the greeter is part of unity8 afaik ...
[08:51] <la_juyis> i can run the app. and even after tapping "uninstall" it doesn't offer me the option to reinstall. rather the uninstall option keeps showing :/
[08:51] <ogra_> i see some of the "xx songs player today" messages not translated etc ...
[08:51] <ogra_> dpm, Saviq should be able to point you in the right direction
[08:51] <dpm> ogra_, ah, that's not Unity, that comes from each app
[08:52] <Saviq> ogra_, dpm, the infographics system is changing completely anyway
[08:52] <ogra_> oh, ok ... well, it was translated in the split greeter (or at least there were nore translated strings, it wasnt complete there either)
[08:52] <ogra_> s/nore/more/
[08:52] <Saviq> although there's a compat layer for the old approach
[08:52] <dpm> ogra_, so the translations should still be shipped from within each app, perhaps something broke the loading of the infographics translations in the post-split greeter?
[08:54] <ogra_> might be, i only see the symptoms :)
[08:54] <dpm> la_juyis, hm, weird. The only thing I can think of is to close and restart the app. If that does not work, then I'd recommend to ping ondra for dualboot help
[08:54] <Saviq> ogra_, TBH I can't confirm what you're seeing, but that might be because I've never seen infographics translated from any app..
[08:55] <ogra_> Saviq, most (not all) were properly translated for me with the split greeter setup
[08:55] <ogra_> now there are less of them translated ... but it could indeed be an app regression
[09:04] <la_juyis> dpm, thanks. no success on this side so i'll ping him
[09:05] <sil2100> dpm: hey!
[09:05] <dpm> la_juyis, argh, sorry to hear that, so yes, I'm sure he should be able to help
[09:06] <dpm> hey, morning sil2100!
[09:08] <nhaines> Anyone know what the expected schedule for landing the bootsplash is?
[09:08] <ondra> la_juyis: have you updated android recently?
[09:09] <la_juyis> ondra, hi! I don't  seem to be able to update, reboot or uninstall ubuntu after a -I must admit-  not careful android upgrade.
[09:09] <la_juyis> ondra, indeed :/
[09:10] <la_juyis> ondra, i don't mind reinstalling ubuntu, but i can't do that either ATM
[09:10] <ondra> la_juyis: no your Ubuntu and dualboot app is fine
[09:11] <ondra> la_juyis: Android update just wipe out SU, so dualboot app cannot gain su
[09:11] <ondra> la_juyis: you just need to reinstall SU and then everything will be fine
[09:11] <sil2100> dpm: could you help us out a bit? We would need someone non-english native-speaker to check which of our core applications are missing translations in our latest proposed image :)
[09:12] <la_juyis> ondra, i have the superuser app installed. is there any other i need?
[09:13] <la_juyis> ondra, i also tried running dualboot.sh so it could get whatever it needed, but no luck there either
[09:13] <la_juyis> so can't reinstall, can
[09:13] <la_juyis> t uninstall :)
[09:14] <dpm> sil2100, sure, just give me a few minutes, I'm using dualboot and I'm having problems updating to the latest image
[09:17] <ondra> la_juyis: when you run SU app, does it say something, it needs su native binary which is removed by Android update
[09:17] <ondra> la_juyis: dualboot.sh should reinstall it though, can you paste somewhere output of dualboot.sh so I can have a look what is the problem
[09:19] <sil2100> dpm: thanks! :)
[09:20] <la_juyis> ondra, sure, let me paste it
[09:21] <la_juyis> ondra, pastebin.ubuntu.com/7657487/
[09:22] <dpm> ondra, dualboot.sh does not seem to install the SuperSU app. I'm having that same problem myself: I used the option to prepare Android update, did Android update, ran dualboot.sh and SuperSU is listed in the apps list, but does not find a su binary
[09:23] <dpm> so rebooting to Ubuntu fails, as it cannot find the super user app
[09:24] <dpm> ondra, here's my dualboot.sh output: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7657498/
[09:25] <dpm> sil2100, I think in the meantime I'll start an emulator. Which apps should I be looking for for missing translations? And why do we expect translations to be missing?
[09:28] <sil2100> dpm: so, we know for instance that the dialer-app is missing translations right now, because we released a new dialer-app without the new translation enablement... with the dropping of the desktop translations we want to make sure nothing got missed out, and maybe make a list of which apps still need to work
[09:28] <seb128> ricmm, hey, do you know if that's a known issue? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7657512/
[09:29] <seb128> ricmm, robert_ancell is hitting that when trying to run unity8 desktop on current utopic
[09:29] <la_juyis> dpm, good eye!
[09:29] <seb128> ricmm, seems like platform-api ish
[09:29] <la_juyis> dpm, so I had installed superuser app, but now I've installed supersu and it's updating!
[09:30] <dpm> la_juyis, ah, cool. How did you do the SuperSU install?
[09:30] <la_juyis> dpm, via google play
[09:30] <la_juyis> i'll update the wiki
[09:31] <la_juyis> (unless there's a better way to do it?)
[09:32] <la_juyis> dpm, so instead of re running dualboot.sh just re install supersu app, right?
[09:33] <ricmm> seb128: cache = 0x7fff4b22dc24 "libubuntu_application_api_test.so.1"
[09:33] <ricmm> he is probably using a mixed up set of platform-api/unity-mir/unity8-desktop-session packages
[09:33] <dpm> la_juyis, that does not seem to work for me, unfortunately. I've got SuperSU installed already, but it's still complaining about the missing su binary, so let's wait first for what ondra has to say
[09:33] <ricmm> similar to the time it wasnt working for you
[09:34] <ricmm> due to an incomplete upgrade
[09:34] <la_juyis> dpm, what about trying to uninstall it and install it again manually?
[09:35] <dpm> la_juyis, yeah, tried that too, but dualboot.sh installs it in the system partition, so it cannot be uninstalled. I can only uninstall subsequent updates from Google Play, but not the version that dualboot.sh installed
[09:35] <seb128> ricmm, hum, ok, I was under the impression he dist-upgraded/was uptodate
[09:35] <seb128> ricmm, could it be a package missing?
[09:37] <seb128> ricmm, sorry, I don't much more info, doing debugging through other side of the world via email and a day delay in replies ;-)
[09:44] <ricmm> seb128: right so his issue is that he didnt upgrade unity8-desktop-session-mir
[09:44] <ricmm> because thats the one that sets that wrong env var
[09:44] <ricmm> the latest package in utopic does the correct thing
[09:44] <ricmm> so, I guess he might've done an upgrade but not necesarily a dist upgrade? not sure
[09:45] <seb128> ricmm, I've sent him an email, thanks
[09:45] <seb128> ricmm, it might be that he has a local hacked version as well
[09:49] <ondra> dpm, la_juyis sorry was on call
[09:50] <ondra> dpm: hmm, looks like script things there is already su on your device
[09:50] <ondra> dpm: can you check $ adb shell
[09:50] <ondra> dpm: and then su
[09:50] <ondra> la_juyis: ^^
[09:51] <dpm> ondra, that seems to work
[09:52] <dpm> I get this prompt after running su  on the command line: 1|shell@mako:/ $
[09:52] <la_juyis> ondra, i could get su
[09:52] <la_juyis> after giving permissions from the phone supersu app
[09:52] <ricmm> seb128: probably, the change is only in the upstart job so it should be trivial to incorporate in his work
[09:53] <seb128> ricmm, yeah, I think I've enough info to write him an useful reply, thanks ;-)
[09:54] <ondra> la_juyis, dpm : so you can run su from shell and then call "ls /data" and it will show  you content?
[09:54] <ondra> la_juyis: OK that looks fine then
[09:54] <oSoMoN> ogra_, is it a known issue that when upgrading to the latest libgcc1 in the archive (1:4.9.0-7ubuntu1) all applications fail to start?
[09:54] <ondra> la_juyis: then go to SU app, remove permissions for Dualboot app and try to start ubuntu from dualboot app, it should request permissions again
[09:55] <ogra_> oSoMoN, nope ... Mirv had some upgrade issues too but different (he couldnt boot)
[09:55] <oSoMoN> ogra_, I’ll file a bug then, it looks pretty critical
[09:56] <ogra_> i think sil2100 wants to build an image today, we should see then if it actuall yhappens on properly built images too
[09:56] <ondra> dpm: can you get sudo in your shell?
[09:56] <la_juyis> ondra, right
[09:57] <dpm> ondra, I cannot get 'ls /data' to show the contents of /data, no
[09:57] <ondra> dpm: then your sudo is broken
[09:57] <oSoMoN> ogra_, I don’t see why it wouldn’t, I just installed a clean #85, verified that apps start, then upgraded only libgcc1 and all apps fail to start
[09:57] <ondra> dpm: did you get request to grand permissions when you called su?
[09:57] <dpm> ondra, no
[09:58] <dpm> so I did adb shell
[09:58] <ondra> dpm: if not, just run "$ dualboot.sh full" that should reinstall SU
[09:58] <dpm> then su
[09:58] <ondra> dpm: yep
[09:58] <ogra_> oSoMoN, did you tell doko about it (in #ubuntu-devel) ?
[09:58] <ondra> dpm: what did it say when you did su?
[09:58] <dpm> ondra, it said nothing
[09:58] <oSoMoN> ogra_, nope, let me do that
[09:58] <ogra_> ++
[09:58] <ondra> dpm: yeah reinstall SU
[09:59] <dpm> ondra, how? With 'dualboot.sh FULL'?
[10:00] <dpm> ondra, 'dualboot.sh FULL' gives me "error: device not found", even though adb devices shows it
[10:00] <ondra> dpm: yea " $ dualboot.sh full"
[10:04] <dpm> ondra, so running 'dualboot.sh full' actually uninstalled SuperSU, I no longer have it listed in my apps :/
[10:06] <ondra> dpm: what, that is even more strange
[10:06] <dpm> ondra, but installing SuperSU from Google Play then fixes it
[10:06] <ondra> dpm: can you send me please log
[10:07] <dpm> ondra, which log?
[10:07] <ondra> dpm: no it's OK, so it installed that needed su binary, that cannot be installed from store
[10:07] <ondra> dpm: so is SU now working?
[10:08] <dpm> ondra, yep, after I installed it from the store. I know what happened: 'dualboot.sh full' fails to download the SuperSU zip, but continues with the installation nevertheless
[10:08] <ondra> dpm: OK
[10:09] <ondra> dpm: yeah there is new version of SU, but I was hopping it will still succeed to download
[10:09] <ondra> dpm: so is dualboot now working>
[10:09] <ondra> ?
[10:09] <dpm> ondra, so line 9 is where it shows the message that the .zip file cannot be downloaded: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7657668/
[10:10] <dpm> ondra, yes, it's working now, but we should either update the wiki or fix the script to download the right .zip file
[10:10] <ondra> dpm: yep
[10:10] <dpm> ondra, can I leave it in your hands to do one of the two?
[10:11] <ondra> dpm: if we update script, what is the process?
[10:12] <dpm> ondra, from what I know Alex requests IS to upload the script to humpolec.ubuntu.com, but I don't do the releases, so best talk to him
[10:12] <ondra> dpm: OK
[10:13] <dpm> thanks ondra
[10:24] <ondra> dpm: but it download it fine from your script, and tested locally it also download it correctly
[10:25] <ondra> dpm: there is bug in Android, that sometimes SU app disappears, I saw it happening before, it's good work around to install it from store though
[10:26] <t1mp> any ideas what can be wrong here? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7657726/
[10:26] <t1mp> I flash image 83, but then when the device reboots it is stuck in the Google screen
[10:26] <t1mp> and when I cat /etc/ubuntu-build (I can still adb to the device) it says it is image 84
[10:26] <dpm> ondra, yes, but in any case, it seems that the Android update breaks su, so the full workaround is to run 'dualboot.sh full' and then install SuperSU from the store.
[10:27] <ondra> dpm: normally that dualboot.sh full should be enough
[10:27] <Mirv> oSoMoN: did you reboot after the upgrade?
[10:27] <ondra> dpm: I think when SU disappeared it was more specific to your phone
[10:28] <ondra> dpm: it did not happen to me
[10:28] <oSoMoN> Mirv, no, does rebooting help?
[10:28] <Mirv> oSoMoN: no, you just get everything broken at that point
[10:28] <ondra> dpm: for me re-running dualboot.sh was enough to get SU pack
[10:28] <ondra> back
[10:28] <Mirv> oSoMoN: downgrading gcc works
[10:28] <Mirv> oSoMoN: since t1mp was also seeing the same, I just made a tarball http://people.canonical.com/~tjyrinki/gcc/fix_gcc.tar that has deb:s that can be dpkg -i *.deb:d on the device
[10:29] <oSoMoN> Mirv, thanks, that’s handy
[10:30] <ogra_> Mirv, not true ... everything thats not C++ works fine :P
[10:32] <Mirv> hehe
[10:39] <t1mp> where are click packages installed on device again?
[10:39]  * t1mp is looking for notes-app source
[10:40] <t1mp> it is not included in /opt/click.ubuntu.com
[10:43] <t1mp> ok found it
[11:13] <nhaines> t1mp: where did you find it?  D:
[11:14] <ogra_> nhaines, /usr/share/click/preinstalled/
[11:14] <ogra_> (i guess)
[11:14] <nhaines> ogra_: thanks.  :)
[11:17] <Laney> click list --manifest should show you
[11:19] <t1mp> nhaines: click pkgdir com.ubuntu.notes :)
[11:19]  * Laney learns
[11:19] <Laney> !
[11:51] <nhaines> t1mp: yay.  :)
[11:52] <nhaines> I'm actually getting some work done today using pomodoros.  I'm using an Android app to keep score, but on my second monitor on my computer I'm running the Ubuntu clock app and using that timer.  :)
[11:52] <nhaines> There are a couple bugs that are kind of touchy but I guess they're not worth reporting since the app's going to be tossed out and restarted?
[11:52] <nhaines> Very useful to see a nice countdown on the screen though.  :)
[11:55] <nik90> nhaines: actually if they are feature requests, do report them since timer and stopwatch will be added in the clock app post RTM. Also we are moving code from the old clock app to the new one, so any improvements in the old clock app benefits the new one to an extent.
[11:55] <nhaines> nik90: that's very good to know!
[11:55] <nik90> nhaines: :)
[11:55] <nhaines> They were actually more like interaction quirks.
[11:56] <nhaines> Maybe I should write a pomodoro app for Ubuntu then.  :)  I'll see if the existing app has any source code free.  Better to contribute to what's already working.
[11:57] <nik90> nhaines: we actually got some contributions to the stopwatch in the old clock app from some new contributors. The design for the old clock app has been opened up. So anybody can jump in and fix it.
[11:57] <nik90> popey: do you know who the welcome screen devs are?
[12:03] <popey> nik90: no, part of unity8 so guess they hang out in #ubuntu-unity, Saviq may know?
[12:03] <Saviq> nik90, wassup?
[12:04] <nik90> popey: thnx
[12:04] <nik90> Saviq: I got a design for the clock app where I need to show full screen notifications in the welcome screen when an alarm is triggered
[12:05] <nik90> Saviq: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1JvDyhsW17d1-Mz8OY1YMBKwfRI2z9qgyRjbujEsxEMk/edit#slide=id.g18895458d_00
[12:05] <nik90> Saviq: is that possible in the current implementation?
[12:05] <popey> sounds like one for MacSlow
[12:06] <Saviq> nik90, no, and it's not design that I got signed off yet
[12:06] <Saviq> nik90, so it won't happen for some time at least
[12:06] <Saviq> nik90, it's only being discussed now whether we should allow full-screen notifications on the greeter now, but it's not nearly designed yet
[12:06] <Saviq> nik90, so fall back to the standard bubble for now
[12:06] <nik90> Saviq: ok I just wanted to ask around about that
[12:07] <nik90> Saviq: ok, as long as it is at least being discussed that is fine
[12:07] <nik90> Saviq: I assume that means it cannot be ready for RTM? (I can let my designer know)
[12:55] <asac> stgraber: you are not in -ci-eng?
[12:55] <asac> :)
[12:55] <asac> barry: stgraber: can you help thostr_ to reconfigure a silo while sil etc. are afk?
[13:04] <barry> thostr_: i can try!
[13:10] <thostr_> barry: Mirv has done it by now
[13:11] <barry> thostr_: k
[13:22] <sergiusens> dbarth_: oSoMoNhey, any reason why I can't see attached PDFs in gmail?
[13:47] <seb128> mardy, hey, is signond supposed to run in unity8 sessions?
[13:49] <dobey> seb128: it's a dbus service that should only run as long as it needs to run, afaik
[13:53] <mardy> seb128: yes
[13:53] <dbarth_> sergiusens: we miss download support in oxide right now
[13:53] <Elleo> my device has been stuck on the google image for a pretty long time (~40 minutes) after flashing #85 :/
[13:53] <dbarth_> sergiusens: that's the branch alex-abreu merged proposed recently; it's in review
[13:53] <sergiusens> dbarth_: but shouldn't I get the prerender of the pdf from the web as well?
[13:53] <dbarth_> https://code.launchpad.net/~abreu-alexandre/oxide/add-download-requested-support
[13:53] <seb128> dobey, mardy: trying on a fresh unity8-desktop utopic install, installing click fails, the score log has "Failed to connect to socket /run/user/1000/signong/socket: No such file or directory"
[13:54] <dbarth_> sergiusens: you mean on the desktop?
[13:54] <dobey> seb128: ignore that "critical"
[13:54] <dobey> seb128: if installing click fails, there is some other problem most likely
[13:54] <sergiusens> dbarth_: I'm talking about phone; then again, I'm asking as a dumb user
[13:54] <sergiusens> :-)
[13:54] <dobey> seb128: did the progress bar in the preview fill up?
[13:55] <dbarth_> sergiusens: nw
[13:55] <dbarth_> sergiusens: it works on the desktop, the pdf pre-render
[13:55] <dbarth_> sergiusens: but i don't think they have it on mobile
[13:55] <dbarth_> let me check ios though
[13:56] <seb128> dobey, it displays directly a fully downloaded, but maybe the things I tried are just small, not sure
[13:56] <dbarth_> sergiusens: right, it goes to mail-attachment something, which is a link to the actual attachemnt, hence the need for download suppotr
[13:57] <dobey> seb128: if you didn't get an error in the UI about needing to log in, and the progress bar filled up, then the problem is with the actual install of the downloaded click package, not the credentials or download
[13:57] <dobey> seb128: ie, the "pkcon install-local" likely failed
[13:57] <seb128> dobey, ok, thanks, so we are probably back tot packagekit backend issues
[13:57] <dobey> right
[13:57] <seb128> dobey, should the click but in some .cache dir?
[13:58] <seb128> but->be
[13:58] <dobey> seb128: i think it gets downloaded in ~/.local/share/ubuntu-download-manager or something like that
[13:58] <sergiusens> dbarth_: thanks
[13:58] <dobey> seb128: definitely under .local/share/ somewhere, but don't remember the exact path.
[13:59] <seb128> dobey, nothing in there :/
[13:59] <sergiusens> dbarth_: one more; I can't do more than one login from the gmail webapp, is that on purpose?
[13:59] <seb128> dobey, I'm going to try to debug, I just got misleading by the signond error in the logs, thanks for pointing out that it's not the issue
[14:00] <dobey> .local/share/ubuntu-download-manager/Downloads/
[14:00] <dobey> that's the path where they get downloaded to
[14:00] <seb128> k
[14:00] <seb128> the directory is there, but empty
[14:00] <dobey> seb128: check ~/.cache/upstart/scope-registry.log for error message about the command failing
[14:01] <seb128> dobey, I've a warning in there "InstallingPreview got error in getting credentials during startDownload"
[14:01] <dobey> seb128: also, do a search and clear the search, to see if the app shows up in installed apps
[14:01] <dobey> seb128: oh weird
[14:02] <dobey> seb128: you should have gotten the preview about a login error in that case
[14:02] <seb128> dobey, not, it's list in the "available" section
[14:02] <dobey> ok
[14:04] <seb128> dobey, sorry, that was an old entry, I clean/retried, I get "QIODevice::read: device not open" and "Network error: "Operation canceled (5)"
[14:04] <dobey> seb128: ok, that looks like a network connection issue :-/
[14:05] <seb128> I can ping outside without issue though :/
[14:06] <dobey> seb128: yeah. i can open amazon webapp on my nexus 4 and it seems to work ok, but when i try to search for available apps, add a u1 account, or install the system image update, on wifi, it doesn't work
[14:06] <dobey> seb128: i've seen that specific issue with QIODevice happen on my phone before though, and a reboot fixed it
[14:06] <seb128> :/
[14:06] <seb128> let me try a reboot
[14:07] <dobey> seb128: sorry this is a pain to debug. way too many gears for wrenches to fall into. :-/
[14:08] <seb128> not your fault, thanks for reply/trying to help there!
[14:09] <seb128> dobey, download worked after a reboot, it's in .local/share/u-d-m/Download
[14:09] <dobey> seb128: cool. and it also failed to install?
[14:10] <Agontuk> I'm trying to boot ubuntu but can't get past bootlogo. last_kmsg only says "Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" and no other useful info. How can I debug the issue ?
[14:10] <seb128> yes, but I guess there we are back to the pk issues
[14:10] <seb128> dobey, mvo has those as "known issues"
[14:10] <mardy> seb128: that's a harmless warning, there's a branch to remove it
[14:10] <dobey> yep, pkcon is failing
[14:10] <dobey> right
[14:15] <Agontuk> anyone?
[14:19] <dobey> Agontuk: maybe ask in #ubuntu-kernel for help debugging kernel panics
[14:21] <Agontuk> OK. I didn't know there's another channel :)
[14:42] <oSoMoN> Mirv, we’re ready to release a new version of oxide, so I’ll request a landing to go through the CI train, but it’s a bit of a special package that currently can’t be built from just a branch, we have a build ready in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa, so I guess we could copy it to the silo PPA once assigned, would that work?
[14:44] <ogra_> mdeslaur, why do we use polkit at all if we make it depend on a group ? polkit is exactly designed for not having to use group permissions but seats and session permissions based on consolekit/logind
[14:44] <jdstrand> Mirv: fyi, I can help with the pocket copy if needed (also, this is something I/we've done in the past with a number of packages)
[14:47] <didrocks> yeah, a binary copy is possible as the ppa is enabling all archs build (not sure if it builds against -proposed though)
[14:47] <mdeslaur> ogra_: not quite... we use polkit to control access to stuff that makes sense to simply give to whoever has access to the console, but we mostly use policykit to grant privileges to the default user that is in the sudo group
[14:48] <ogra_> sounds a bit like abusing the tool to me
[14:48] <mdeslaur> ogra_: the stuff that we grant access to the console user has been audited to make sure it can't be used to escalate privileges
[14:48] <mdeslaur> ogra_: no, that's exactly what it was designed for
[14:48] <ogra_> hmm, k
[14:48] <oSoMoN> great, so I’ll file a landing request
[14:48] <mdeslaur> ogra_: the stuff that requires the user to be in the sudo group typically either hasn't been audited, or is known to enable some sort of privilege escalation
[14:49] <ogra_> mdeslaur, that is an issue we *will* have to solve then ... latest if the first customer who wants a locked down phone comes around
[14:49] <mdeslaur> ogra_: yes, definitely...and we're going to have to plan for it, as it's going to be a lot of work
[14:50] <oSoMoN> Mirv, sil2100: so I’ve filed a landing request for oxide 1.0.2 but we don’t have an associated MR, can I get a silo anyway?
[14:50] <mdeslaur> ogra_: I'm not opposed to removing root access...it just needs to be done right, or else it's security theatre
[14:51] <ogra_> i seriously wasnt aware of that, since i know that polkit had been designed back then to get away from /etc/group|password stuff and to abstract that on a higher level
[14:51] <ogra_> you caught me a bit by surprise that we tie it into sudo :)
[14:51] <mdeslaur> I really preferred it when we called the group "admin"
[14:51] <ogra_> well, thats just a name ...
[14:52] <ogra_> that we tie the tool into a group but still use logind is the bit that seems weird to me
[14:53] <mdeslaur> we have multiple access rights, basically: Everybody, console users, admins without a password, and admins with a password
[14:53] <mdeslaur> the tie-in with logind is just for the "console users" part
[14:54] <ogra_> hmm, k
[14:56] <mterry> tedg, heyo!  I just wanted to confirm that the locked-user support in indicators is still scoped work, despite the unsplitting of the greeter (even the integrated greeter will need support for that)
[14:58] <tedg> mterry, Uhm, we were discussing it. Frankly I was a bit against it, seems we've given up on any semblance of security there...
[14:58] <tedg> Not sure why we'd put things in accounts service just to pull them out in the same session.
[14:59] <sil2100> oSoMoN: hi! Let me get back to you in a moment
[15:00]  * ogra_ thinks we should keep the greeter in the shell and turn the lightdm greeter into a "user chooser" ... then make the shell always start locked by default
[15:00] <ogra_> (for all users)
[15:00] <mterry> tedg, in the same session?
[15:00] <mterry> tedg, well we're also planning to use a split greeter on the unity8 desktop images this cycle
[15:00] <mterry> tedg, so they'll be useful there
[15:01] <mterry> tedg, and it's not like we have *no* security -- we'll disable adb by default
[15:01] <mterry> tedg, between that and confinement, the user's password in a keyfile won't be as world-readable as it sounds
[15:02] <tedg> mterry, Sure, as long as unity8 has no bugs, we're good :-)
[15:03] <sil2100> oSoMoN: ok, I'm back for your disposal
[15:03] <mterry> tedg, fair enough.  Though that does just put us on an even footing with iOS and presumably Android
[15:03] <mterry> tedg, we can surpass them post RTM
[15:04] <oSoMoN> sil2100, thanks :) so I need a silo for landing request on line 37, without a MR associated to it (we’ll binary copy packages from an existing PPA)
[15:05] <sil2100> oSoMoN: oh, ok ;) Then in this case we would need the names of the source packages you'll copy into the PPA in the 'Additional sources packages to land'
[15:05] <sil2100> oSoMoN: then once you do binary copies to this PPA, CI Train can track them and be able to release them into the world
[15:06] <tedg> mterry, I'm not sure how we'd do it in the same session. The way the indicators are built is that they have a model, and then that drives the display. We're bringing up a different model depending on whether we're in the greeter or not. (i.e. live data vs. account service data). So it's not trivial to do. Hate doing it for a small time when we know it's not what we really want.
[15:06] <Agontuk> Guys, anyone can help me with the kernel panic problem? I don't know how to debug it :(
[15:07] <oSoMoN> sil2100, ok, done
[15:08] <mterry> tedg, do you know much about the unity8-side code?  Could it just switch models as the greeter comes in?
[15:08] <ogra_> mterry, tedg, why do we need to split out the greeter at all ?
[15:09] <sil2100> oSoMoN: let me assign a silo then
[15:09] <tedg> mterry, Not sure that we get a signal or anything like that, I think it's all in Unity8. They probably should tell logind though.
[15:10] <tedg> ogra_, So that the lock screen runs in a different user. If there's a bug, you don't compromise the user's session, only the lightdm session. Also, so that login passwords aren't evaluted in the user's session.
[15:10] <ogra_> mterry, tedg, cant we keep the locking part in the shell and have a simple passwordless user selector as the greeter ... would just need some pam maginc in the lock screen
[15:10] <mterry> ogra_, we'll *need* a split greeter for use cases like encrypted home.  And even when that's not the case, we like a split greeter for security reasons (harder to break in due to bugs in unity8 and the pam helpers can be run as root that way, which is how they expect to be run -- some don't work as the user)
[15:11] <ogra_> hmm, k
[15:11] <mterry> tedg, but isn't choice of model in the unity8 code?  It could just start reading from a different exported model from the service
[15:11] <tedg> mterry, data model not menu model :-)
[15:12] <tedg> mterry, So yes, it could choose a different menu, but that's mostly display in our world.
[15:12] <tedg> mterry, So we can have less data on that display.
[15:12] <tedg> mterry, But I'm not sure of all the control elements. Like you need a PIN to access settings.
[15:13] <ogra_> we also cant leave that session running ... it needs to free up the ram after logging in
[15:13] <tedg> Eh, need to sit down and draw it out.
[15:14] <mterry> tedg, I see what you're saying about data/menu models..  Hm
[15:14] <tedg> ogra_, Sure, the only reason to keep it running is to make it start faster. Other tricks can be played.
[15:14] <ogra_> right
[15:15] <tedg> mterry, How does the launcher handle it? Does it just manually pop a PIN prompt if an application is selected?
[15:16] <mterry> tedg, I'd have to see what the current code does -- the desired behavior, what we did for split mode, is to look like an unlock attempt if you launch an app, but when you unlock, we also launch the app like you asked
[15:17] <mterry> and/or launch it when you press the button, but I'd have to ask design about the implications of doing that
[15:18] <tedg> mterry, How do I turn on PIN unlocking?
[15:18] <brendand> ogra_, oops i've fallen into the reboot trap
[15:18] <brendand> ogra_, is it possible to get out of?
[15:19] <brendand> ogra_, or am i basically done until the next build?
[15:21] <mterry> tedg, edit ~/.unity8-greeter-demo and do something like:
[15:21] <mterry> [General]
[15:21] <mterry> password=pin
[15:21] <mterry> passwordValue=1234
[15:21] <mterry> tedg, there are a few visual oddities with it now I believe -- I need to land a unity8 branch to bring it back up to code
[15:21] <mterry> it bitrot since the last time we were using it
[15:23]  * tedg set his password to 1111 so know one knows it by reading the IRC log
[15:23] <tedg> no one
[15:24] <mterry> tedg, :)
[15:24] <ogra_> brendand, reboot trap ?
[15:24] <ogra_> brendand, by using apt ?
[15:24] <tedg> mterry, Hmm, no, that didn't seem to work.
[15:25] <brendand> ogra_, well i rebooted and now i'm stuck on the google screen. it's probably the issue you were discussing with doko earlier
[15:25] <mterry> tedg, uh oh
[15:25] <mterry> tedg, oh oh
[15:25] <ogra_> brendand, right i guess there is no easy way out but re-flashing ... doko has a new libstdc++6 in a PPA but not yet in the archive
[15:25] <mterry> tedg, change [General] to [phablet]
[15:26] <tedg> mterry, Ah, yes, that works.
[15:26] <mterry> tedg, sweet
[15:26] <brendand> ogra_, i still have shell access, so i can probably install from the ppa
[15:26] <brendand> ogra_, where is it?
[15:26] <mterry> tedg, I'm going to grab lunch, I'll be back online later if there are other problems
[15:27] <tedg> k
[15:27] <ogra_> brendand, according to doko in the "ubuntu-toolchain-r/ppa "
[15:30] <nik90> rsalveti: ping
[15:31] <rsalveti> nik90: pong
[15:31] <nik90> rsalveti: hey, I was told by charles that you and your team would be implementing the fix to show the welcome screen when an alarm is triggered. At the moment it does not unlock the phone automatically.
[15:32] <nik90> rsalveti: is there a Blueprint or Bug report tracking this work item?
[15:32] <oSoMoN> sil2100, thanks for the silo, so now I can binary copy packages there?
[15:32] <charles> nik90, to be pedantic, I said his team, I don't know if rsalveti's the one getting the work ;-)
[15:32] <rsalveti> nik90: we're waiting the design for that first, thostr_ is taking care of that
[15:33] <sil2100> oSoMoN: I don't think you have the required permissions ;) Where do you want to copy it from?
[15:33] <rsalveti> we need a design to know how to properly handle the alarms system-wide
[15:33] <nik90> rsalveti: ack
[15:33] <rsalveti> like if we just need to quickly wake up the device or keep it up until the user dismiss the alarm
[15:33] <nik90> charles: I missed the "or" in you and the team :)
[15:33] <charles> nik90, seems like a name /was/ mentioned though
[15:34]  * charles checks his scrollback
[15:34] <oSoMoN> sil2100, oxide-qt (utopic) from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa/+packages
[15:35] <nik90> rsalveti: Can I check back on this item in a week to see if you guys got any decision from design?
[15:35] <rsalveti> nik90: sure, just ping thostr_ directly :-)
[15:35] <nik90> rsalveti: will do. thnx :)
[15:35] <sil2100> oSoMoN: why did you build it in that PPA? Is that also an archive builder there?
[15:35] <charles> nik90, ricmm suggested that mandel might pick up that tasking for powerd turning on the screen when the alarm wakes up the phone
[15:35] <brendand> ogra_, that does the trick
[15:36] <charles> nik90, still a fair question though, I don't know if there's a blueprint/ticket for this in LP or not
[15:36] <ogra_> brendand, well, seems it also just landed in -proposed ... should be in the archive within the next 30-45min
[15:36] <oSoMoN> sil2100, because we needed a PPA connected to armhf hw, and this is the one chrisccoulson had at hand, I guess
[15:36] <nik90> charles: I will check with thostr_ and mandel later then.
[15:36] <oSoMoN> sil2100, if binary copying is a concern, I guess we can do a source copy
[15:37] <nik90> charles: oh btw since you are here, I wanted to discuss with you about alarms
[15:37] <nik90> charles: is now a good time?
[15:37] <sil2100> oSoMoN: well, if this PPA uses HW builders and was built with -proposed then I guess there's no reason
[15:37] <charles> nik90, no, I'm about to leave to take my wife to work, will you be around in about an hour?
[15:37] <sil2100> oSoMoN: would like to get some info on that first though
[15:38] <sil2100> And copy either binary or source then :)
[15:38] <nik90> charles: yes, that would be ok
[15:38] <charles> nik90, okay I'll ping you when I get back
[15:38] <nik90> charles: thnx..cya
[15:38] <oSoMoN> jdstrand, does the ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA build with -proposed enabled?
[15:38] <jdstrand> oSoMoN: no
[15:39] <oSoMoN> sil2100, ^
[15:39] <jdstrand> oSoMoN: just -security
[15:39] <jdstrand> so for utopic, that would mean effectually, release
[15:39] <jdstrand> we can do a source only pocket copy to the ppa and have it rebuild
[15:39] <jdstrand> (if needed)
[15:39] <sil2100> oSoMoN, jdstrand: ok, so I would prefer rebuilding those in the silo PPA, as this is the state that it will live in
[15:40] <oSoMoN> sil2100, fair enough, let’s go for a source copy
[15:41]  * sil2100 does that then
[15:41] <sil2100> Better safe then sorry I guess
[15:42] <sil2100> I mean, I'll do it if LP stops timing out
[15:44] <sil2100> Ok... let me do a dput instead, this is taking me no-where
[15:45] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu on my Galaxy Nexus | http://askubuntu.com/q/484636
[15:46] <PonchO> Hi folks!
[15:46] <PonchO> I hope hope i am in the right forum ^^
[15:47] <jdstrand> fyi, I'm not convinced it is better
[15:47] <jdstrand> (rebuilding from source in -proposed)
[15:47] <popey> PonchO: wassup?
[15:47] <PonchO> I have problems connecting to a VPN WLAN network. Do i have to do something like install vpnc on my ubuntu touch? If yes, how?
[15:48] <jdstrand> cause this is just like uploading to a silo a week ago, doing the testing and publishing today
[15:48] <jdstrand> sil2100: ^
[15:48] <PonchO> popey: I'm really starting to test it, but i don't even know the sudo pw...:-D
[15:48] <jdstrand> in fact, I just heard that a lot of people have done testing with the binaries in the mozilla ppa and this would invalidate that
[15:49] <popey> PonchO: are you using ubuntu on a phone?
[15:50] <PonchO> popey: yeah, on my Nexus 4. It works quite good, though i dont have a SIM card inside up to now...
[15:50] <PonchO> popey: Ok, not that much apps, but i wanna give it a try. :-)
[15:50] <popey> PonchO: I dont think we support vpn connections yet
[15:51] <PonchO> popey: Ok thanks, than think i can wait for that feature...thanks for the answer.
[15:52] <popey> np
[15:53] <sil2100> jdstrand: well, as a core-dev I can assume you know what you're doing, so I can try doing a binary copy indeed - just this requires me to open up the copy page at least once
[15:53] <jdstrand> sil2100: I'd be happy to do the copy myself if you'd like
[15:53] <PonchO> popey: but it looks very nice and works good in most cases. I'm looking forward to work with the first stable. So far, good work and thanks again. Have a nice day.
[15:53] <popey> you too!
[15:53] <sil2100> jdstrand: let me check if you have the necessary permissions and it would be great if you could
[15:54] <jdstrand> sil2100: I should. I've done it before
[15:54] <sil2100> Since I'm struck by the endless LP timeout bug
[15:54] <sil2100> jdstrand: excellent
[15:54] <jdstrand> sil2100: what silo? (that said, I haven't done it for awhile, if I don't I'll comeback)
[15:54] <sil2100> jdstrand: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-007/
[15:54] <sil2100> :)
[15:55] <jdstrand> sil2100: I'll also make sure that the people test against the oxide in the silo against the latest image if they haven't already
[15:55]  * jdstrand is in a meeting with them atm
[15:55] <sil2100> jdstrand: ok, thanks
[15:56] <nhaines> I'm trying to launch a URL as a web app.  I'm using the documented instructions at developer.ubuntu.com, which worked for saucy but broke in trusty and doesn't work in utopic.
[15:56] <jdstrand> sil2100: appears to have worked: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-007/+packages
[15:56] <jdstrand> so, good :)
[15:56] <nhaines> Right now it *does* work on trusty on my desktop.
[15:56] <sil2100> jdstrand: \o/
[15:57] <jdstrand> (it is trying to rebuild the ftbfs archs)
[15:57] <nhaines> Looks like this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7659097/
[15:57] <jdstrand> but the others have copied
[15:57] <sil2100> dpm: hi! Did you have time to check those translations of core apps on the latest image? :)
[16:09] <nhaines> sil2100: I'm testing image 83.  Friends is missing translations in German.  Calendar is translated but the name is not localized.
[16:09] <sil2100> nhaines: oh, 83? So, we wanted to test 84 or 85 since those have the 'new touch-only translations'
[16:10] <sil2100> 83 was still using the desktop ones
[16:10] <nhaines> Ah, now that I can't help with yet.  :)  I'm noticing a couple apps with mixed or no translations.  (Gallery isn't translated, for instance.)
[16:10] <nhaines> Anyway, in that case I'll stop testing.  :)
[16:10] <sil2100> nhaines: thanks :) We want to make sure that if we promote #85 we won't regress too much with translations
[16:11] <nhaines> Definitely a good idea.  :)
[16:34] <ogra_> stgraber, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7659240/
[16:34] <ogra_> just had that
[16:34] <stgraber> ogra_: hmm, let me take a quick look
[16:35] <ogra_> (it seems to have copied it fine http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/utopic/generic_x86/ has it)
[16:35] <ogra_> oh, wait, no, it doesnt
[16:36] <ogra_> (silly me, i looked at generic, not _x86)
[16:38] <stgraber> ogra_: hmm, does it happen if you do the copy again? I'm not finding anything obviously wrong and I'm in another meeting... (well, so are you :))
[16:38] <ogra_> heh, i'll try
[16:41] <ogra_> takes quite long (it did so the former time too)
[16:45] <ogra_> stgraber, worked this time (but took endless)
[17:35] <dpm> sil2100, sorry for the delay, I did. It looks to me as if there aren't any big regressions in translations on image 83. Even dialer shows its translations. The only one where translations are not included or loaded is Gallery
[17:36] <sil2100> dpm: thanks! Excellent timing, as I am in the middle of the e-mail creation
[17:36] <dpm> sil2100,  I see I'm behind with images, though, let me upgrade to the latest to confirm
[17:37] <sil2100> dpm: ah, ok, I misunderstood you - we would need at least #84 to be installed
[17:37] <dpm> np, upgrading...
[17:37] <sil2100> As I mentioned before, #83 still has the old translations
[17:37] <ogra_> well, we promoted 85 already ...
[17:38] <ogra_> so whatever is missing needs to be added anyway
[17:38] <asac> promoted? /me goes and gets latest and greatest
[17:38] <ogra_> with your beloved gmail fix :)
[17:39]  * asac feels the promotions happen faster than he can click and is impressed
[17:39] <ogra_> and the new and all shiny diler, messaging and contacts app redesigns
[17:39] <ogra_> *dialer
[17:39] <asac> really?
[17:39] <asac> wow
[17:39] <asac> that will be a big change i guess
[17:39] <ogra_> yep
[17:39] <ogra_> with new bottom edge and all
[17:39] <ogra_> seriously sexy
[17:40]  * asac hopes we dont sacrifice too many kittens to get such a velocity :)
[17:41] <asac> hmm. downloader doesnt reconnect when switching to wifi :)
[17:41] <asac> is that supposed to happen?
[17:41] <asac> i was on 2g and update download was too slow; enabling wifi made it stop; i had to puase and resuem manually (but only waited 30 secs or so)
[17:43] <asac> barry: mandel: do you know if that is supposed to work?
[17:52] <barry> asac: i don't know, but it should definitely pause and resume.  it's possible switching networks confuses udm
[17:53] <dpm> sil2100, so after testing image #86, dialer: untranslated (should get the translations back as soon as we ship the new touch langpacks), gallery: untranslated (not sure if this is a regression), all other have the same translations they used to have
[17:53] <asac> barry: right, wnated to know if you know if udm has that feature or if its buggy
[17:53] <asac> barry: can i try downloading something to test this?
[17:53] <asac> (not want to wait for next update)
[17:54] <barry> asac: i don't know specifically, but you could certainly try doing a cli update (specifying -b 0 to force a full), then switch networks in the middle of that
[17:58] <sil2100> dpm: \o/
[17:58] <sil2100> dpm: thanks :)
[17:58] <sil2100> dpm: happy to hear that!
[18:20] <dobey> meh. i don't see anything "logcat -d" output that shows a particular error related to screan blanking. on image #85 however, it does take about 5 seconds go to from "Unblanking display: 0" to "Done unblanking display: 0" and i only get blakc screen with the backlight on when it is unblanked :(
[18:21]  * dobey wonders how to debug further :-/
[18:37] <asac> dbarth_: \o/ it really works :). many many thanks!
[18:37] <asac> nice
[18:38] <asac> dbarth_: anything planned to make the transitions more exciting? I find myself staring at a white page for enough time that I wonder if something is buggy
[18:59] <davmor2> asac: ran out of sacrificial kittens moved on to puppies and fluffy bunnies
[19:02] <dbarth_> asac: glad you like it
[19:02] <dbarth_> asac: limiting switching by hosting multiple apps together
[19:02] <dbarth_> asac: now you see what i was alluding to this morning
[19:03] <dbarth_> i may need to bribe xnox to get the google+ namespace back though ;)
[19:15] <mterry> tedg, I was talking to boiko about the emergency dialer and for that use case, we were thinking the dialer-app could transform into emergency mode when the greeter was up and locked -- but we'd need to know when the greeter is up.  So we may add a property to the greeter dbus api like GreeterIsActive or something similarly dumb -- it would always be true in split mode.  What do you think of that for helping indicators know when to change data m
[19:15] <mterry> odels?
[19:16] <tedg> mterry, Could we just check logind for "is locked" ?
[19:17] <mterry> tedg, logind doesn't think the session is locked in this case though
[19:18] <mterry> because it's not really, from a lightdm/logind sense
[19:18] <tedg> mterry, Hmm, okay.
[19:19] <tedg> mterry, So is the unity8 session going to start having the various greeter APIs on dbus?
[19:19] <tedg> mterry, Selected user and all that?
[19:19] <mterry> tedg, it has them now
[19:19] <mterry> tedg, has for months
[19:19] <mterry> tedg, under the com.canonical.UnityGreeter dbus name, just like the split greeter exposes
[19:20] <tedg> Ah, I've never looked there :-)
[19:20] <tedg> mterry, So sure, please make it a signal as well.
[19:20] <mterry> tedg, you don't like PropertyChanged notifications?
[19:21] <tedg> mterry, Ah, so you mean a real property. I didn't think that QtDBus sent those.
[19:22] <mterry> tedg, we manually do it for the other properties on the greeter
[19:22] <mterry> tedg, QtDBus needs to get its act together
[19:23] <tedg> mterry, Don't blame QtDBus on this one. The properties was proposed to the dbus list, thiago listed problems and suggested solutions, and everyone went "screw you" and changed the spec.
[19:24] <mterry> tedg, but the spec did change...  And the rest of the world implements it
[19:25] <tedg> mterry, Where "rest of the world" is gdbus :-)
[19:26] <mterry> tedg, yes...  :)
[19:26] <mterry> tedg, but more importantly, the spec did actually change!
[19:27]  * mterry just wants his syntactic sugar in QtDBus
[19:27] <ybon> is there a way to import contacts from SIM card?
[19:27] <cm-t> ybon: I was just there to ask the same thing, only saw howto import from vcf
[19:28] <ybon> ok
[19:35] <ybon> popey: just installed the new version, but still now way to install or update apps on my gf phone :/ Do you think it's worth creating an issue on lp?
[19:37] <popey> ybon: yes, absolutely, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+filebug?no_redirect
[19:37] <ybon> ok, thanks :)
[19:40] <cm-t>  is it a bug that I can't import contact from SIM (should i fill a bug for that or is it on the planning, or did I missed something) ?
[19:42] <asac> davmor2: ohhhh thats getting cruel :)
[19:44] <davmor2> asac: well it was that or I moved onto the endangered species but apparently they're guarded now, who knew? ;)
[19:49] <dobey> cm-t: file a bug, yes
[19:49] <dobey> cm-t: "no access to contacts on sim" is certainly a bug
[19:50] <dobey> ybon: what do you mean you can't install or update apps?
[19:51] <davmor2> asac: last few images have all been pretty stable to be honest :)
[19:52] <ybon> dobey: when I click on "install" a click app, it download, but then fails with an error message
[19:52] <ybon> let me show you the screen
[19:53] <ybon> dobey: http://imgur.com/JehOgDU
[19:53] <tedg> mterry, When do you expect to change the desktop greeter? Soon?
[19:53] <dobey> ybon: on emulator, or on a phone?
[19:53] <ybon> it's from the beginning, never been able to install any app on this phone
[19:53] <ybon> a Nexus 4 phone
[19:53] <ybon> I have two, the other one works without issue for installing apps
[19:54] <dobey> ybon: look at ~/.cache/upstart/scope-registry.log and see if there is a log of a command failing
[19:54] <mterry> tedg, how do you mean?  Add this dbus property to the desktop greeter?
[19:55] <tedg> mterry, No, you were saying the 14.10 desktop greeter would be U8?
[19:55] <mterry> tedg, oh, I doubt that's necessarily true
[19:55] <mterry> tedg, we have a unity8 preview desktop image we make
[19:56] <mterry> tedg, and it should get on there, one hopes
[19:56] <mterry> tedg, but desktop team may not switch generally to it for 14.10
[19:56] <msvb-lab> Anyone got the dualboot.sh script (Ubuntu Touch on Nexus via recovery) to work on Cyanogenmod 11?
[19:56] <ybon> dobey: cat: /root/.cache/upstart/scope-registry.log: No such file or directory
[19:56] <msvb-lab> I mean after I updated from CM10.2 to CM11 I used dualboot.sh as usual but UbuntuInstall.apk doesn't appear in the app list (even though its there in /system/app/.)
[19:56] <dobey> ybon: ~phablet
[19:56] <mterry> tedg, but it's going to take me time to re-split the greeter now
[19:56] <dobey> ybon: root has nothing :)
[19:56] <tedg> mterry, Hmm, okay.
[19:56] <ybon> yeah, i was there sorry ;)
[19:57] <tedg> mterry, Trying to figure out a development environment for all this...
[19:57] <mterry> tedg, ah fair.  ubuntu-emulator?  I tend to just develop on the phone
[19:57] <ybon> dobey: 2014-06-17 21:40:14,983 - CRITICAL - ../../../../lib/SignOn/connection-manager.cpp 106 setupSocketConnection p2p error: QDBusError("org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound", "Failed to connect to socket /run/user/32011/signond/socket: No such file or directory") 1
[19:57] <ybon> something like this ring a bell?
[19:58] <ybon> let me paste it all somewhere over the rainbow
[19:58] <tedg> mterry, Yeah, but I need split somewhere as well.
[19:58] <dobey> ybon: no, ignore that one
[19:59] <mterry> tedg, oh.  there isn't a version of the split greeter in the archive right now  :-/
[19:59] <tedg> dobey, We need to find a way to suppress that printout.
[19:59] <ybon> dobey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7660116/
[19:59] <tedg> mterry, So, do you think there will be shortly?
[19:59] <dobey> tedg: i blame mardy :)
[20:00] <tedg> dobey, It's all open source, submit a patch ;-)
[20:00] <mterry> tedg, well that's what I meant by "it's going to take me time to re-split the greeter" -- RTM stuff takes priority and whatnot, and the re-split has to be careful to not interfere with integrated-greeter mode, so I have to do some extra work
[20:01] <mterry> tedg, have to go afk for a bit again, fyi
[20:01] <dobey> tedg: i can't. if i try to submit a patch for online-accounts, i'll end up rewriting the whole thing
[20:03] <tedg> mterry, Okay, do you have a ballpark idea? This week? This month? I'm just not sure what some time is, in this case. (I have no idea what else you're working on)
[20:03] <tedg> dobey, and that's a bad thing because…
[20:03] <tedg> ;-)
[20:04] <dobey> because it's a waste of my time and energy
[20:04] <dobey> anyway
[20:04] <dobey> ybon: do you have any meaningful data on this device?
[20:04] <ybon> dobey: not really
[20:05] <dobey> ybon: if it's safe to desroy all the data, i'd suggest doing "adb reboot bootloader" and then "ubuntu-device-flash --channel devel-proposed --bootstrap --wipe" after, and sseeing if it still fails.
[20:05] <ybon> ok
[20:06] <ybon> just for me to understand, why not directly the second line?
[20:06] <dobey> --bootstrap only works when the device is at the bootloader
[20:06] <ybon> okay, thanks :)
[20:07] <ybon> so the idea is 1. to boostrap everything again 2. switch to devel-proposed instead of devel?
[20:07] <dobey> ybon: well, you can use devel instead if you want
[20:07] <dobey> it shouldn't make a difference right now
[20:07] <ybon> okay
[20:07] <ybon> it's my gf one, so it's better if it's a little bit "stable" :)
[20:08] <ybon> dobey: I don't click anything inbetween the two lines, right?
[20:08] <dobey> maybe you want to backup contacts/photos and stuff first then unless she doesn't care to lose all the data.
[20:08] <ybon> she don't have contacts for now, as she have all in the SIM ;)
[20:09] <ybon> good point about the pictures :)
[20:09] <ybon> Just backuping
[20:11] <ybon> resinstalling now
[20:11] <ybon> -s
[20:18] <ybon> resintalled, now testing
[20:20] <ybon> dobey: it's working! :)
[20:20] <ybon> thanks for you help :)
[20:21] <dobey> ybon: no problem
[22:13] <Elrafie> hello al
[22:16] <Elrafie> i have htc one max and want to install ububtu touch
[22:16] <Elrafie> is it possible plz
[22:17] <Elrafie> and it is not on the devices list
[22:17] <Elrafie> i need to know if possible or not


[01:09]  * tumbleweed waves bug 1008271 at jtaylor
[01:09] <shubham> hello
[01:10] <shubham> i am new to using irc so excuse me if i am to verbose
[01:10] <shubham> i want to try fixing a bug in natilus
[01:10] <shubham> #nautilus
[01:11] <shubham> i want to ask where should i get the source from
[01:11] <shubham> should i use github ?
[01:12] <shubham> anyone
[01:13] <tumbleweed> bzr branch lp:ubuntu/nautilus
[01:13] <shubham> thanks
[01:13] <tumbleweed> see http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/fixing-a-bug.html
[01:14] <shubham> @tumbleweed Thanks for the link i will look into the page
[01:15] <tumbleweed> np
[01:15]  * tumbleweed goes to bed
[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[07:04] <geser> good morning dholbach
[07:04] <dholbach> hey geser
[08:09] <iulian> Morning dholbach, geser.
[08:09] <dholbach> hey iulian
[08:10] <iulian> Oh, it's Monday already.
[08:10] <iulian> Hmm.
[08:11] <Laney> yeah, how did that happen?
[08:17] <Zhenech> they skipped the weeked for some booze I heard
[08:17] <Zhenech> stupid gods
[13:07] <vibhav> tumbleweed: You there?
[13:11] <tumbleweed> yes, hi
[13:15] <vibhav> tumbleweed: I uploaded a debdiff (lucid) for bug 569514 , you might want to see it
[13:17] <tumbleweed> vibhav: where's the SRU paperwork? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure
[13:17] <tumbleweed> also. the version still needs to changed, the same version is published in lucid and natty
[14:24] <kendfinger> Has OpenSSH 6.0 been uploaded?
[14:25] <Laney> !info openssh quantal
[14:25] <Laney> utter lies
[14:25] <Laney> yes, it has.
[14:26] <kendfinger> Cool! Thanks!
[14:27] <kendfinger> openssh-client is what I meant.
[14:29] <Laney> maybe that bot works on binary packages, indeed
[14:29] <Laney> !info openssh-client quantal
[14:30] <Laney> seems out of date
[14:33] <kendfinger> I am pretty sure that is wrong!
[14:33] <Zhenech> openssh-server | 1:6.0p1-1ubuntu1 |       quantal | amd64, armel, armhf, i386, powerpc
[14:34] <Zhenech> thats what rmadisson says
[14:41] <Laney> yeah
[14:41] <Laney> Pici: ^^^^^ the bot is out of date :(
[14:43] <Pici> Laney: I'll see what I caan do.
[14:43] <Laney> cheers boss
[16:05] <AmberJ_> Hello
[16:09] <AmberJ_> I manually built a program and then did 'checkinstall' (essentially 'make install') to create a deb. The deb file has a lib/libpln.so of size ~47MB.
[16:09] <AmberJ_> I created another deb using debuild and the same lib/libpln.so file is only ~2MB.
[16:09] <AmberJ_> Why is there this vast difference in file sizes of same file?
[16:09] <AmberJ_> In fact size of every file in lib/ created with checkinstall is greater than corresponding files created with debuild...
[16:13] <azeem_> AmberJ_: maybe the checkinstall files are unstripped?
[16:21] <AmberJ> azeem_: "unstripped"?
[16:21] <azeem_> yes
[16:21] <ogra_> dressed :)
[16:21] <azeem_> run "file" on both and compare the output
[16:22] <jtaylor> AmberJ: debug symbols are still in
[16:22] <jtaylor> removing them is called stripping
[16:22] <jtaylor> which is done by dh_strip during normal build
[16:24] <ogra_> (and has nothing to do with dresses, despite my bad joke above :) )
[16:55] <AmberJ> Thanks jtaylor, very well explained. And azeem_'s 'file' explained the rest.
[16:57] <AmberJ> ogra_: I'll leave it to others to decide if that was a bad joke :D Thanks
[16:58] <ogra_> :)
[19:40] <AmberJ> What's an indep (independent?) binary?
[19:41] <jtaylor> something that is architecture independent
[19:41] <jtaylor> = it runs everywhere without recompile
[19:41] <AmberJ> ah
[19:41] <jtaylor> usually interpreted stuff like python or cli
[19:41] <jtaylor> or documentation
[19:43] <AmberJ> ok
[19:43] <AmberJ> I use 'bzr dh-make' to setup debian/ templates... What should I choose if I plan to split upstream into multiple debs: multiple binary or library ?
[19:44] <jtaylor> probably multiple binary
[19:44] <AmberJ> I mean that upstream has multiple binary executables and libraries
[19:44] <jtaylor> unless its a library
[19:44] <jtaylor> hm thats more complicated
[19:44] <jtaylor> are the libraries "public" = they can be used by other programs too
[19:47] <AmberJ> jtaylor: yes, those libraries can be used independently without the need for other upstream 'components'.
[19:48] <jtaylor> k it should still be similar to the multiple binary package except that you build library packages from it too
[19:48] <AmberJ> That's why we plan to separate them into separate packages. Roughly speaking, any library that can be used independently goes in a separate package (and the same applies to executables)
[19:48] <jtaylor> which means following all conventions for them
[19:48] <jtaylor> correct library packaging is quite timeconsuming
[19:49] <AmberJ> I guess I should choose "multiple binary" and then use $package.install to fine tune library packages (?)
[19:49] <jtaylor> yes
[19:49] <jtaylor> you can create both templates to see what dh_make would give you
[19:50] <AmberJ> yes, that's a nice way t see how dh_make handles both
[19:50] <AmberJ> *to
[19:50] <AmberJ> Thanks :)
[20:15] <AmberJ> Tried both dh_make templates. It seems I'll need to combine template files from both templates
[22:31] <jbicha> bdrung: light-themes was already uploaded to precise-proposed, it's just waiting in the queue
[22:34] <bdrung> jbicha: thanks. then it's less to do for me
[22:35] <bdrung> jbicha: btw, the current light-themes version still has some issues (background color of icons of selected apps wrong in the application selector)


[07:10] <dholbach> good morning
[08:14] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[08:27] <MooDoo> :)
[13:28] <dholbach> popey, do you have access to the ubuntuappdev page on G+?
[13:28] <popey> uh
[13:28] <dholbach> can you post something like this there? "Your chance to win some great prizes and maybe join the folks at UbuCon DE later this year! https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2015/07/23/announcing-the-ubucontest-2015/"
[13:28] <dholbach> or balloons^?
[13:28] <dholbach> I posted it on FB and Twitter
[13:29] <popey> doesn't look like it
[13:54] <balloons> I believe I can
[14:00] <dholbach> thanks balloons
[15:09] <czajkowski> aloha
[16:05] <czajkowski> http://www.oscon.com/open-source-2015/public/content/video
[18:01] <dholbach> all right my friends - have a great rest of your day - I'm out!
[18:01] <dholbach> see you on Monday!


[04:11] <lamont> oh hey archive admin gods... can I get you to do NEW processing for gcc-4.6 pls?
[10:17] <jibel> todays alternate and server: bug 817443
[10:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 817443 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "d-i based images failed to install: mount: mounting /dev on /target/dev/ failed: Invalid argument (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/817443
[11:39] <lamont> there will be a brief disturbance as I put everything on manual
[12:00] <lamont> and back to auto
[16:53] <skaet> SpamapS, any update on making the lucid kernel (2.6.32-33.71) available in -updates?
[18:41] <SpamapS> skaet: sorry I have been having huge technical difficulties and my main machine has been out of commission
[18:41] <SpamapS> skaet: and now I'm at OSCON
[18:42] <skaet> slangasek,  ROAF, ^^ are either of you able to move the lucid linux kernel (.71) from -proposed to -updates ??
[18:44] <skaet> hmm... ROAF isn't on this channel right now.


[00:15] <czajkowski> dinda: that tag is taking off alright :)
[07:37] <nigelb> elky: poke!
[07:39] <nigelb> jussi: looks like troll attack?
[07:39] <jussi> looking that way, lets see
[07:39] <rww> muffin dude has history in #ubuntu, doesn't he?
[07:39] <rww> nick looks familiar, anyway
[07:40] <nigelb> we're off -invites ?
[07:40] <rww> yeah
[07:40] <nigelb> 3 people joining in 3 secs and starting to talk BS makes me suspicious
[07:48] <rww> ah, someone mentioned #ubuntu-women in #ubuntu. I guess that explains that.
[07:49] <nigelb> aha
[15:36] <akgraner> hey all - we have two slots left for Developer Week - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep
[15:40] <akgraner> ok one slot left
[15:42] <akgraner> AlanBell, Jussi can you all do a Bot-Devel session???
[16:19] <dinda> ops:  I'm getting pms from a (10:16:58 AM) IR9455: hello
[16:19] <dinda> (10:17:08 AM) IR9455: babby
[16:20] <dinda> ops:  ping
[16:22] <akgraner> jussi, ^^^^
[16:22] <dinda> he left, thank goodness
[16:23] <jussi> didnt seem to be present here or -women?
[16:52] <AlanBell> hi akgraner
[16:53] <AlanBell> don't think I am really up to the job of that one!
[16:53] <AlanBell> just about figuring it out myself
[23:59] <MichelleQ> So... apparently I missed yesterday's meeting, too.  Sheesh.