[14:07] <Guest45> I'm having KVM issues with a kernel update done on Thursday: linux-image-5.15.0-47-generic.  It's causing my VM guests to have segfaults in random processes.
[14:22] <Guest458> Someone else noticed the issue here I think: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=106954
[15:02] <Guest458> I guess I'm blaming this: USN-5594-1 update, but I cannot prove it except that I have issues with it, and zero issues with previous kernel.
[15:07] <sbeattie> h/me pokes some kernel people
[15:37] <sbeattie> Dunno if guest458 will come back, but it would be good to know if the 5.15.0-48 kernel in jammy-proposed has the same issue, if it as actually affecting KVM users, and what processor is in the system.
[15:38] <sbeattie> LP:#1988473 looks to be the virtualbox bug
[15:38] <sbeattie> If it is also affecting kvm, a new launchpad bug against the linux package would be helpful.
[15:39] <sbeattie> (I'm not able to reproduce it yet with some kvm stress testing here)


[03:52] <lathiat> Hi Folks.. using juju local/kvm container (as part of openstack-install single-machine), trying to figure out how I can add a second disk to the machines when I deploy ceph/ceph-osd.  Can anyone point me in the right direction?
[05:32] <sebas5384> what happened with the service's settings in the juju-gui ?
[11:46] <cindy_> good morning guys
[11:46] <cindy_> having problems with bootstrap
[11:46] <cindy_> can somebody help me?
[13:50] <hazmat> any charmers around, can someone add me to charmhelpers, i've got pending merge i wanted to land
[14:36] <jujuer> good morning guys
[14:36] <jujuer> having problems with bootstrap
[14:36] <jujuer> may you help me?
[14:45] <roadmr> jujuer: go ahead and describe your problem, if someone knows how to solve it, you'll get help :)
[14:46] <jujuer> roadmr: thanks!
[14:46] <jujuer> well, I have a server where
[14:47] <jujuer> we deployed an all in one solution of openstack: glance, nova, neutron, swift, etc.
[14:47] <jujuer> now, I'm trying to "juju" to this server with my laptop
[14:47] <jujuer> we are on the same LAN: <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[14:47] <jujuer> naturally, I'm sure both my laptop and the server have internet access
[14:47] <jujuer> also the VMs have internet access and can access to them via floating IPs with no problems
[14:48] <jujuer> I've set the parameters of my environments.yawl
[14:48] <jujuer> but... bootstraping always fails
[14:48] <jujuer> need logs?
[14:50] <jujuer> environments.yawl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10092804/
[14:55] <jujuer> my terminal log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10092884/
[14:56] <jujuer> btw, juju successfully creates a VM and a container on my openstack
[14:56] <jujuer> but it can't bootstrap... who knows why
[15:08] <roadmr> jujuer: hm are you sure about --metadata-source /opt/stack ? it seems unable to fetch data from there, check your log file
[15:09] <roadmr> jujuer: I haven't used that option before, so I'm not sure if it's OK, but that may be a good clue
[15:09] <jujuer> I'm pretty sure it does - as I said, it is able to instantiate the VM on the cloud
[15:10] <roadmr> jujuer: what happnens if you don't use that metadata source?
[15:11] <jujuer> you mean, the parameter?
[15:11] <roadmr> yep :)
[15:11] <jujuer> gonna try
[15:13] <jujuer> roadmr: I get an "earlier" error, logs incoming
[15:13] <jujuer> roadmr: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10093161/
[15:13] <roadmr> jujuer: oohh ok... well then :/ heh
[15:16] <jujuer> roadmr: this seems quite hard to fix :)
[15:18] <roadmr> jujuer: yes, I haven't deployed to openstack a lot so I'm not sure if I can help :/
[15:19] <roadmr> jujuer: when I did, I didn't use the metadata-source flag and everything worked fine, but clearly my config may have been different
[15:24] <frankban> tvansteenburgh: if you have time, could you please take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~frankban/juju-deployer/guiserver-auth/+merge/244984 ?
[15:31] <jujuer> nobody has ideas, guys?
[15:39] <tvansteenburgh> frankban: looking
[15:40] <roadmr> jujuer: if there's no reply I suggest you post a question in askubuntu.com :( sorry you haven't had any replies yet :(
[15:42] <frankban> tvansteenburgh: thanks
[15:44] <tvansteenburgh> frankban: commented with a suggestion. happy to discuss if you disagree or i'm missing something
[15:45] <hazmat> jujuer: thats an  interesting error
[15:45] <jujuer> hazmat: I'm literally going crazy... can't figure what to do
[15:46] <hazmat> jujuer: i pinged on #juju-dev to see if someone can come over here
[15:46] <jujuer> hazmat: thanks :)
[15:46] <hazmat> jujuer: it looks like a mongodb error getting setup.. how big of an instance type are you using?
[15:47] <jujuer> hazmat: what do you mean exactly?
[15:47] <hazmat> jujuer: how big is the machine your bootstrapping
[15:47] <hazmat> jujuer: how much memory / cpu / disk?
[15:48] <frankban> tvansteenburgh: reasonable suggestion, but since that deployer path is GUI server specific, and since the GUI server always use the deployer embedde in the Juju GUI charm, we do not have the backward compatibility problem. Actually, a fork of the deployer with that change has been included in the charm from quite a while now. for the enwxt release, we'd like to restore the upstream version (new deployer release)
[15:48] <jujuer> well, I'm not telling juju how much it's big... I'm simply running "juju bootstrap --metadata-source /opt/stack --upload-tools -v --debug"
[15:48] <frankban> next release even
[15:48] <hazmat> frankban: i already  merged that
[15:48] <jujuer> but, if you want, I can see on OpenStack how big it is instanced
[15:49] <frankban> hazmat: oh, didn't notice that
[15:49] <tvansteenburgh> lol
[15:49] <jujuer> well, hazmat, it creates a m1.small | 2GB RAM | 1 VCPU | 20.0GB Disk machine
[15:49] <hazmat> frankban: next release is roughly next week
[15:49] <frankban> hazmat: great thank you!
[15:49] <hazmat> jujuer: k, thanks. it does look like a config issue, just not clear what
[15:49] <frankban> tvansteenburgh: sorry about that
[15:49] <tvansteenburgh> frankban:  no worries
[15:49] <hazmat> frankban: np
[15:50] <jujuer> hazmat: you mean, my configuration is bad?
[15:50] <hazmat> jujuer: we have alot folks traveling atm unfortunately, they'll be back next week. no.. i think its a juju internal configuration error afaics. its setting up an invalid mongo replication config
[15:51] <jujuer> aw, fine. That's weird since I can't google any other guy having mine problem
[15:52] <hazmat> jujuer: yeah.. its not something i've seen before
[15:52] <hazmat> jujuer: but its pretty clear what the error is .. juju initializing a replica set on mongo without the required config on replicaset members
[15:53] <hazmat> jujuer: actually probably best is to file a bug for now
[15:53] <jujuer> hazmat: have I got any control on this?
[15:54] <jujuer> hazmat: or I can do nothing atm?
[15:55] <hazmat> jujuer: use an older version of juju (1.20)
[15:56] <hazmat> jujuer: your on osx?
[15:57] <jujuer> no - I'm using a Xubuntu 14.04 on the laptop where I'm trying to run juju bootstrap, and an Ubuntu server 12.04 on the openstack server
[15:57] <jujuer> hazmat:
[15:59] <hazmat> jujuer: so default juju in trusty/14.04 is currently 1.20.11 it looks like
[15:59] <hazmat> jujuer: i'd try that
[15:59] <jujuer> hazmat: sorry, I haven't understood much :/
[16:00] <hazmat> jujuer: what does juju --version show?
[16:00] <jujuer> on my laptop? 1.21.1-trusty-amd64
[16:02] <hazmat> jujuer: so its a little unclear where that version came from.. i'd guess from a ppa, i'm suggesting you might want to try uninstalling that version/ purging the ppa/ and then install the default distro version which is 1.20.11
[16:03] <jujuer> hazmat: installed juju via these two commands: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:juju/stable  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install juju-core
[16:03] <hazmat> jujuer: but please do file a bug with that pastebin, its something that needs looking at http://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core
[16:04] <jujuer> sooo hazmat ... should I purge juju and reinstall everything?
[16:06] <hazmat> jujuer: you have to apt-get remove juju / sudo ppa-purge ppa:juju/stable (if you don't have that you have to remove the ppa from /etc/apt/source.list.d and the apt-get update) / then apt-get install juju
[16:06] <TimNich> Agggh! Tried a juju bootstrap on my MAAS set up and it randomly chose a node that was unavailable, so the whole process hung. I aborted and tried to "juju destroy-environment" but that too tries to access the broken node and hangs. So I am now stuck with what the system thinks is a bootstrapped environment (but isn't) and I can't re bootsrap onto a specidied node until I persuade it its not! But as "juju destroy-environment" wont work how can I d
[16:06] <TimNich> that (catch22)?
[16:08] <hazmat> TimNich: juju destroy-environment --force
[16:10] <TimNich> hazmat: Thnaks
[16:11] <jujuer> hazmat: SOME BIG NEWS HERE!
[16:11] <jujuer> mongodb works, now I hit my head on a new error that comes later
[16:11] <jujuer> need logs?
[16:12] <jujuer> hazmat: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10094040/
[16:12] <hazmat> jujuer: sure, but hopefully someone else can help... i've got get back to work. i'll check back in a bit though.
[16:13] <jujuer> hazmat: aw ok, thanks anyway
[16:16] <hazmat> jujuer: that error is because you need to upload / create some 'simplestreams' data for juju to consume. its basically tells juju which images it should launch... see juju-metadata generate-image -h for more info
[16:16] <hazmat> and also juju-metadata validate-images
[16:17] <hazmat> jujuer: should be covered here https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/howto-privatecloud.html
[16:42] <jujuer> hazmat: as long as I try, I can't solve that issue
[16:43] <jujuer> hazmat: it's strange since juju actually starts the right VM on the openstack
[16:43] <hazmat> jujuer: agreed it is strange
[16:44] <jujuer> hazmat: lol
[16:44] <jujuer> hazmat: sooo... have you got any suggestions?
[16:46] <dbart> lazyPower: around?
[16:46] <lazyPower> o/ dbart
[16:48] <dbart> lazyPower: I fiddled a little with the test, based on what you did prior to flying home, it looks like the 10-deploy-and-upgrade test now passes on the p8 machine
[16:48] <lazyPower> dbart: AWESOME
[16:48]  * lazyPower throws confetti and sounds trumpets
[16:49] <lazyPower> dbart: let me get someone thats on shift verify that for you and when I get back from my meeting I can run the gambit on getting mariadb ack'd
[16:49] <dbart> I wanted to get your opinion about the "test_enterprise_eval(self)" test, I'm thinking it might not be needed
[16:49] <lazyPower> are those changes checked in to bzr?
[16:49] <dbart> no, not yet
[16:49] <lazyPower> dbart: yeah that was a check to go from community => entp right?
[16:50] <dbart> yes, but currently it just starts with enterprise
[16:50] <lazyPower> its still a valid path that we need to account for, but it will consistently fail on p8 as the community edition doesn't have an installation candidate
[16:50] <dbart> yes
[16:50] <lazyPower> so that test works on x86 arch
[16:50] <lazyPower> I was thinking on this on the plane ride home - about how we want to address that as either split it out into another test suite that only gets kicked on p8, or if we add some conditional checks to find out which methods to run
[16:51] <lazyPower> kwmonroe: mbruzek: - Could really use your input as to how you feel we should proceed here wrt testing on p8
[16:51] <dbart> yes, something that can detect when it's on p8 and not run a new test that tests community installs
[16:52] <lazyPower> kwmonroe: mbruzek: the situation is - MariaDB Community edition doesn't exist on p8, just the enterprise installation. Our CI infra will test x86 all day every day, but if we get p8 added, this is a consistent failure we will see.
[16:52] <lazyPower> kwmonroe: mbruzek: so is this where we add some additional logic to the runner, or do we do an arch check in the test itself, and say "do this when x, do this when y"
[16:52] <dbart> I'm also waiting on a request I made on my side for proper test credentials
[16:52] <mbruzek> lazyPower: yes that!
[16:53] <lazyPower> dbart: We can probably get around some of that by stealing some logic from mojo
[16:53] <mbruzek> lazyPower: It would be ideal to have a passing test on both architectures
[16:53] <lazyPower> mojo has hiding test credentials baked in by default
[16:53] <lazyPower> mbruzek: agreed - i just dont know how we want to do this. if thi sis amulet's responsiblity or the tests responsibility.
[16:53] <mbruzek> lazyPower: But I understand the situation and would be OK with x86 only right now.
[16:54] <lazyPower> right, as we dont have p8 added to our CI - the tests in their current incantation are the proper path forward - but this is a short road until we get p8 added aiui
[16:54] <mbruzek> I would code the test to detect the architecture and react accordingly
[16:54] <lazyPower> ok. I'll file a bug on that and get cracking
[16:54] <lazyPower> mbruzek: do you have time to inspect kwmonroe's p8 box he lent me and validate dbart's assertions we are g2g for p8 mariadb?
[16:54] <lazyPower> i'm leaving in 8 minutes to head downtown
[16:55] <mbruzek> we have a meeting in 5 minutes, I could take a look after that, but I haven't touched mariadb in a while.  I was unware of the enterprise difference
[16:55] <mbruzek> I peeked at the branch yesterday.
[16:56] <lazyPower> mbruzek: its a pretty straight forward review - I gave the code a review 2 days ago.
[16:56] <lazyPower> this is mostly asserting that we're g2g for the turbolamp book
[16:56] <mbruzek> hrmm....
[16:56] <lazyPower> so we can unblock there and any "fringe" issues like tagging and what nto can be taken care of as follow up - if the installation path doesn't change
[16:56] <lazyPower> which it shouldn't
[16:56] <mbruzek> lets separate those two concerns
[16:57] <lazyPower> ack
[16:57] <lazyPower> I'm focused on clearing teh critical path first :)
[16:57] <mbruzek> understood
[16:57] <lazyPower> dbart: hi5 on your work there. Thanks for circling back so quickly
[16:57] <dbart> lazyPower: you're welcome!
[16:57] <lazyPower> dbart: i'll sync with mbruzek when i get back if you two aren't in a communication loop
[16:58] <dbart> sure thing
[16:58] <mbruzek> lazyPower: OK
[16:58] <lazyPower> mbruzek: thanks a million for taking a look
[16:58] <lazyPower> you're the best
[16:58] <lazyPower> i gotta jet gentlemen, see you shortly
[17:10] <jujuer> hazmat: no ideas? I dunno what to do, :/
[17:11] <brandonclark> I want to get the name of the attached relation for a mongodb server.  what would I use?  >>>  `relation ???`
[17:11] <hazmat> jujuer: not really, but i'm busy doing other things atm, hopefully someone else might be able to help
[17:11] <hazmat> or dig in
[17:12] <brandonclark> is there a `relation-get ` reference?
[17:16] <brandonclark> oh never mind i get it, relation-get pulls from the config.yaml
[17:17] <mbruzek> brandonclark: config-get pulls from config.yaml
[17:18] <mbruzek> brandonclark: relation-get pulls from what another charm did relation-set on
[17:21] <jujuer> have a good weekend everyone
[17:22] <brandonclark> yep thats what i meant. but there is a better way of getting the relation name i am reading on relation changes '$JUJU_REMOTE_UNIT'
[17:29] <brandonclark> good job on putting together some good usage documentation.  Nice to have it!
[17:36] <brandonclark> is it just me or is the magic key for the terminal commands slow to react? Maybe because I have it bootstrapped to a low process server?
[21:19] <whit> is there anyway for a charm to know that it's been added to machine 0? (other than sniffing around the filesystem)
[22:27] <lazyPower> o/ mbruzek
[22:27] <mbruzek> lazyPower: How was lunch?
[22:27] <lazyPower> whit: i do believe so, and its exposed in an env var i do believe
[22:27] <lazyPower> whit: otherwise, no i dont think so
[22:27] <lazyPower> mbruzek: i just got back - did you get a chance to peek at mariadb?
[22:28] <mbruzek> lazyPower:  notyet
[22:28] <lazyPower> ok, i'll take that work item and run it now that i'm back in office
[22:28] <lazyPower> ta
[22:29] <mbruzek> lazyPower: I still mean to get to it, perhaps we can pair
[22:29] <lazyPower> sounds good 2 me
[22:29] <mbruzek> but today is your swap day
[22:29] <lazyPower> i just remoted into the box
[22:29] <mbruzek> so go away!
[22:30] <lazyPower> yeah well, i just got back from running a meeting with shift interactive downtown - i've got a small business that wants juju
[22:30] <lazyPower> ;)
[22:30] <lazyPower> and... get this
[22:30] <lazyPower> its our "feature rich environment" that they are interested in
[22:30]  * lazyPower rimshots
[22:30] <mbruzek> troll
[22:30]  * mbruzek trolls his eyes
[22:30] <lazyPower> not even :D
[22:31] <lazyPower> legit, the fact they are primarily a wordpress based business, but we are giving them full stack agility is whats the real story here
[22:31] <lazyPower> there's some additional tooling I need to get built so they can run isolated environments for customers and hand those off easily - but 99% of the magic is raw juju
[22:32] <lazyPower> dbart: have you EOD'd?
[22:34] <lazyPower> mbruzek: ping when you're ready
[22:35] <mbruzek> lazyPower: Will do
[22:50] <kwmonroe> hey lazyPower mbruzek, i did the deed
[22:50] <lazyPower> kwmonroe: ?
[22:50] <kwmonroe> bundletester does the business http://paste.ubuntu.com/10097741/
[22:50] <lazyPower> kwmonroe: <3
[22:50] <lazyPower> you crack me up
[22:50] <kwmonroe> and i poked on mediawiki to verify mariadb was hooked up
[22:50] <mbruzek> kwmonroe: awesome!
[22:50] <mbruzek> Thank you!
[22:50] <kwmonroe> but i wouldn't commit that test.  it's got dbart's special sauce in it.
[22:51] <lazyPower> All thats left of this is ensuring we have a good path forward for our CI story
[22:51] <lazyPower> yeah
[22:51] <lazyPower> I think we may have to steal some mojo schenanigans to isolate the credentials
[22:51] <lazyPower> as i do believe mojo gives us some inroads to keeping credentials out of the test suite
[22:52] <kwmonroe> i do think we should switch on uname.. x86 gets comm source, ppc64le gets dbart's.  and if we do that, the test_enterprise_eval can go away.
[22:52] <lazyPower> kwmonroe: either way there's still a requirement of having that repository set of credentials around
[22:52] <kwmonroe> ack
[22:52] <lazyPower> *set of repository credentials
[22:53] <lazyPower> my english, is not so good
[22:53] <kwmonroe> yeah, i didn't read what you wrote.. just ack'd so you'd be quiet.
[22:53] <lazyPower> zing!
[22:53] <kwmonroe> Pow! (er)
[22:53] <lazyPower> You've been hanging aroudn randall too much
[22:54] <kwmonroe> he's gonna buy me a car.. so yeah.
[22:55] <mbruzek> lazyPower: no schenanigans on the tests they are fragile enough
[22:58] <lazyPower> kwmonroe: http://imgur.com/Oym36MG
[22:59] <kwmonroe> nice


[18:45] <Shadow__X> on mythubuntu 12.04 suspend is not working properly. when i click suspend the machine suspends but quickly after it turns back on


 Well. just tested today my first phonecall on my Samsung note 4. Can't hear the other side... So i guess i will reinstall UT, as it can only be bad installation , right? Or is there any other guesses?
 [Edit] Well. just tested today my first phonecall on my Samsung note 4. Can't hear the other side... Also the other side cant hear me, but tha phone rings and establishes call. So i guess i will reinstall UT, as it can only be bad installation , right? Or is there any other guesses?
 @Yo5eff [Well. just tested today my first phonecall on my Samsung note 4. Can't hear the …], This may be a specific problem related with the status of the port to that device, the complex network software stack, or the network provider you use. Or a combination of them
 hmm not sure on that
 @TronFortyTwo [This may be a specific problem related with the status of the port to that devic …], I'm thinking to reinstall again. After all, i'm not entirely sure about previous installation, as i ran into some issues before it was completed visually on computer.
 So, just to be sure i do not mess with it, i go to recovery mode, chose "Ubuntu mode" and i'm good to use UBports installer on computer?
 (Photo, 622x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Ki8v6OxY.png
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/0HWQJpa0.png
 That seems to be the only way i get UBports to recognize phone now...
 um ok should be fine i think
 Should i choose Stable, rc or devel? (imagine , stable)
 And Wipe user data...
 [Edit] And Wipe personal data...
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 Now seems going better because i have already UB files in the computer - dont need to wait for download 😉
 Ok, Just flashed it again and it went really well till the end. What i saw is that now screen turns off after the time that was supposed to (an improvement vs previous situation) , but on phone call it continues the same . No sound from either side, even if call is completed
 Continues not to be detected by computer when is on 😔
 I have to say I'm not best pleased when I see individual developers, on several forums, scoff at notched phones and dismiss them as "fads/gimmicks". The paradigm is still going pretty strong, being used by several OEMs over the past few years, and a good fraction of users will be buying newer devices which do use the style.
 @LoneRanger4 [I've been using Linux exclusively on my personal machines for 14+ years, and the …], Wow … Thank you. … No one mentioned the Precision line to me before only the 76 one.
 I'm sure the community would hope that the developers would not only support but embrace atypical types of hardware, for example if the Nintendo 3DS family could somehow take a UT port, or those phone curiosities which have screens on both sides of their bodies, or even future innovations like holograph-projecting phones. With the e
[01:13] <ubptgbot> xception of paradigms which were near-universally expected to be actual gimmicks with little hope of ever becoming mainstream and therefore would be a bad investment of resources.
 Guys will Ubuntu touch work on a OnePlus 3t phone?
 And so I'd like to thank @NeoTheThird for giving thoughtful commentary on Github about how Ubuntu Touch may be best adapted to notched devices.
 @InvictusBoom [Guys will Ubuntu touch work on a OnePlus 3t phone?], Yeahj
 its in the installer
 [Edit] And so I'd like to thank @NeoTheThird for giving thoughtful commentary on Github about how Ubuntu Touch may be best adapted to notched devices. And the developer who made a patch for the Volla, shared and discussed here yesterday.
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Yeahj], I was only seeing support for the OnePlus 3. But not the 3t. Are you sure?
 (Photo, 800x636) https://irc.ubports.com/6e0yiYZE.png
 @PhoenixLandPirate [<reply to media>], So if the device is listed in the drop down menu that means it is supported?
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 @InvictusBoom [So if the device is listed in the drop down menu that means it is supported?], If you want to have a better idea of its status, you can check it out here https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ … Ubuntu touch has to work to a certain degree to get on the installer, but doesn't have to be perfect
 I guess i need another help here... … I'm trying now to install twrp recovery, but last time i did that was with odin on a windows laptop.  … Do i need some software to do it on Linux Ubuntu? "Googled" quite a bit already, but all the instructions i've found, didn't worked out... … So, do i need to put a computer working with windows to do
[02:02] <ubptgbot>  that, or is there a simple way?  … Wanna to install another rom to see if there is any hardware problem with sound. Unfortunately this note4 is not usable as it is now... 😞
 @TartanSpartan [I'm sure the community would hope that the developers would not only support but …], the thing is the notch is an "fad" in the sense that its an compromise made to get a higher screen to body ratio while an under-display camera is not viable. it creates a lot of challenges that won't be a challenges once the technology ma
[02:02] <ubptgbot> tures, and so many people hating the notch it has become a meme. on the other hand i agree that UT will inevitably be ported to notched phones, so some effort will have to be and is done to support it in the OS.
 Does ubuntu touch supports higher refresh rate higher than 60
 @Yo5eff [I guess i need another help here... … I'm trying now to install twrp recovery, but …], i would wait for the porter to reply actually, he should be in this group but i suppose he's asleep right now
 which note 4 did you have btw?
 It's the 910F (Samsung Note 4)
 is it this one? https://twrp.me/samsung/samsunggalaxynote4qualcomm.html
 @Fuseteam [is it this one? https://twrp.me/samsung/samsunggalaxynote4qualcomm.html], Yes, is that one. I already have the twrp image here
 i see some linux instructions there, tho not sure i recommend to do it
 [Edit] i see some linux instructions(the dd method) there, tho not sure i recommend to do it
 Porter is Tygerpro. I can wait a bit for sure, but i think i may be not the only user with that doubt , on "how to" go back to any other android roms, specially when using Linux. … No need to risk bricking the device
 well samsung is bit different appearently most case was "just" a "simple" fastboot command
 I'd love to have this phone as second phone with UT , and slowly make the transition to linux phones , but as it is now it is not usable as phone (no sound in calls)
 why i would recommend waiting on the porter is that there's a chance its a known bug and he may know a fix
 and if not he'll probably be able to help you better than me :p
 I guess i may need to get later on other phone that has better compatibility - perhaps a OPO or other like that... … I dont mind to trade some usability (or nevermind bugs) for all the extra privacy, but i'd like to have the basic working 😁
 @Fuseteam [and if not he'll probably be able to help you better than me :p], Sure, i'll wait for @Shakendo input on that situation.
 @Yo5eff [I guess i may need to get later on other phone that has better compatibility - p …], it should work is what i'm saying, but why it doesn't work i do not know :p
 @Yo5eff [I guess i may need to get later on other phone that has better compatibility - p …], [Edit] it should (be able to) work is what i'm saying, but why it doesn't work i do not know :p
 Probably it was some error form my side
 [Edit] Probably it was some error from my side
 @Yo5eff [I guess i need another help here... … I'm trying now to install twrp recovery, but …], Should be able to use heimdall
 oh hey one of the experts :p
 @Lyokanthrope [Should be able to use heimdall], do you happen to now about the call audio error on the trlte?
 @Lyokanthrope [Should be able to use heimdall], [Edit] do you happen to know about the call audio error on the trlte?
 @Lyokanthrope [Should be able to use heimdall], Found that one in odinforum before, but couldn't download it
 @Lyokanthrope [Should be able to use heimdall], [Edit] do you happen to know about the call audio issue mentioned above on the trlte?
 @Fuseteam [do you happen to know about the call audio issue mentioned above on the trlte?], It doesn't work on trlte at all as far as I know
 @Yo5eff [Found that one in odinforum before, but couldn't download it], Is it not in the Ubuntu repos?
 @Lyokanthrope [Should be able to use heimdall], [Edit] do you happen to know about the call audio issue  on the trlte mentioned above?
 hum... let me see
 @Fuseteam [the thing is the notch is an "fad" in the sense that its an compromise made to g …], I guess it's just a question of time then. Thanks for the insight.
 Do i go by the "Software store" or by command line? I'm still a bit "noob" on linux by command line... Usually i google all the needed steps to do stuff
 sudo apt install heimdall-flash 😊
 Is that one?
 @Lyokanthrope [Is it not in the Ubuntu repos?], Learning something new every day 😁
 @Yo5eff [sudo apt install heimdall-flash 😊], Should be I think. I'm at work so..
 Ok. Installed. Now i just need to figure out how to use it 😂
 heimdall flash --RECOVERY /path/to/twrp.img
 Here is "The Man" 🙂 … Thanks a lot, Tygerpro. … By the way, do you have any idea why call sound and micro may be not working on my note?
 Also found this that may be useful for other users: … https://glassechidna.com.au/heimdall/
 Seems to have a GUI, too 😁
 @Shakendo [heimdall flash --RECOVERY /path/to/twrp.img], I boot phone in recovery for it to work, right?
 @TartanSpartan [I guess it's just a question of time then. Thanks for the insight.], pretty much is yeah
 @Yo5eff [I boot phone in recovery for it to work, right?], download mode, so hold vol -, home,  and pwr while turning on
 Ok. It seemed to worked out... Now i have both twrp recovery and UT OS at same time 😂 … (it just changed the recovery mode) … Anything else i may need to know before try other rom?
 @Fuseteam [the thing is the notch is an "fad" in the sense that its an compromise made to g …], i wouldn't call it a "meme" and that term has become way overused, and generally points at unfavorable things. but notches create more difficulty for third party developers. and thus is why they comment on this frustration, particularly in commu
[03:50] <ubptgbot> nities where development is more transparent.
 Just installed an android rom, and calls work, so it wasn't hardware problem... 🤔 … Will wait for further news regarding to Note 4, and if a good opportunity appears, will get a phone more "UT friendly" 😊
 So do we have to accept that, "no data" and other hardware limitations in redmi note 7 will be present no matter what? or are they being worked on? I'm really waiting for a stable and frequently updated UBports version.
 @Yo5eff [Well. just tested today my first phonecall on my Samsung note 4. Can't hear the …], Hi, the audio phone call is a know issue of the port. I have the same.
 https://forums.ubports.com/topic/477/porting-to-samsung-galaxy-note-4-sm-n910p/106?lang=en-GB&page=6
 @Tchan74 [Hi, the audio phone call is a know issue of the port. I have the same.], My bad. Should have read that first. But anyway, this short experience made me want more an Ubuntu Touch phone 😁
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[06:22] <ubptgbot> <أحد الإخوة> Help
[06:24] <ubptgbot> <أحد الإخوة> (Photo, 957x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/aYAJucSC.png 2 hours is that
[06:24] <ubptgbot> <أحد الإخوة> Aftr installed
[06:24] <ubptgbot> <أحد الإخوة> Nexus 6p
[06:25] <ubptgbot> <أحد الإخوة> Why he is dont go to ubuntu tuch
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 @أحد الإخوة [Why he is dont go to ubuntu tuch], please do not cross post, most of the people who can help you will be all of the groups
 Hello, since there is an android layer. Is there anyway to know if the network scanning is persistent even in Ubuntu Touchz or do the kernel patch prevent it somehow?
 @أحد الإخوة [Why he is dont go to ubuntu tuch], Respect it, maybe it doesn t like it... 🤷♂
 @Themetaleye [Hello, since there is an android layer. Is there anyway to know if the network s …], what are you referring to with network scanning?
 IDK man but can t it be that the lock on the screen is telling you that maybe there is something wrong like unrooted or bootloader IDK
 @Shakendo [what are you referring to with network scanning?], No no, Network Scanning is disabled for sure since no android apps
 I mean yes sorry
 @أحد الإخوة [<reply to media>], if that lock is closed, then you need to unlock your bootloader before anything else will work
 @Shakendo [what are you referring to with network scanning?], Ehm, since there is the android telling shit to proprietary drives the device usually ping your location constantly pimging to all the wifi devices near you
 In amdroid is persistent, IDK how much Lineageos can be sure that is not happening and I want to know if Ubuntu can do something more about it from the kernel. Idk if it does make any sense😅
[06:47] <ubptgbot> <أحد الإخوة> @Shakendo [if that lock is closed, then you need to unlock your bootloader before anything …], if you see the look he is mean opended  … Not see the look = unlock
 @Themetaleye [Ehm, since there is the android telling shit to proprietary drives the device us …], the android layer is basically an abstraction layer so that UT can use the device hardware, think of it as a translator similar to how wine allows linux to run windows apps (in function, its quite different in form) the apps for android do
[06:50] <ubptgbot> not exist as there is no java for android
 @أحد الإخوة [if you see the look he is mean opended  … Not see the look = unlock], have you tried rebooting the device?
[06:50] <ubptgbot> <أحد الإخوة> @Shakendo [have you tried rebooting the device?], Yah
[06:51] <ubptgbot> <أحد الإخوة> Dont work
 ok, same screen?
 what is the environment your trying to install from? (i.e. Ubuntu 8.04)
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[07:10] <ubptgbot> <أحد الإخوة> @Shakendo [what is the environment your trying to install from? (i.e. Ubuntu 8.04)], Last day ubuntu 20.04  … Today mac os big sur
 @أحد الإخوة [Why he is dont go to ubuntu tuch], You need to use android 7.1.2 and you need to format data using TWRP. These are the two common reasons for this
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 Gmh
 How does one install python3 pip on the pinephone ???  … Sudo  apt-get install python3-pip  … Doesn't work
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 @WelcomePlayerOne [How does one install python3 pip on the pinephone ???  … Sudo  apt-get install p …], explain the error, that should be the right command.
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/mf03fMSh.png
 Is this is a remount with rw  issue?
[08:41] <talmid> hello, I'm looking into installing UBPorts to Galaxy S6 did anyone try this before? I'm trying to figure it out based on the documentation how to do this
 @WelcomePlayerOne [Is this is a remount with rw  issue?], yep, if it's not that you may want to try an `apt update`; UT will normally default to read-only `/`
 Ok ty
 Is it safe to keep on rw mode
 Or revert when done?
 @WelcomePlayerOne [Is it safe to keep on rw mode], should be (from my experience in porting)
 ofc you can revert it back if you don't necessarily need it anymore :)
 Ty much appreciated
 Has anyone got Volla UT working mobile data in the UK?
[09:37] <ubptgbot> <Ali Pace> Wоw, аmаzіng!!! - https://bit.ly/3pH17p4 … Мusk рumр  сrypto!☄🚀💥
 I left Telegram a while ago for several reasons then joined again (via Matrix bridge) for UBPorts... I dit not miss the SPAM :/ Is there a way I can filter them?
 @dohbee [i wouldn't call it a "meme" and that term has become way overused, and generally …], a "meme" is just a unit of information that gets transmitted like a gene, even in communities like Linus tech tips they say "dead to the notch" in a somewhat joking manner :3 but yeah it create more unnecessary difficulty
 @Oliv4945 [I left Telegram a while ago for several reasons then joined again (via Matrix br …], I don't think so … even Telegram can't stop them so I guess it's hard to do 😅
 @WelcomePlayerOne [Is it safe to keep on rw mode], keep in mind that changes made in rw mode that are not available in readonly mode will be overwritten on a full OTA update
 @arthurabdulin [Has anyone got Volla UT working mobile data in the UK?], Have you checked if APN is configured correctly?
 Nice!  … Checkk  https://bit.ly/3tgkDuG …  The sim works on my other iPhone NAD Nexus 5 UT
 @NotKit [Have you checked if APN is configured correctly?], [Edit] Yes, I did.  … The sim works on my other iPhone and Nexus 5 UT
 @TotalSonic [The Volla Phone in the USA saga continues:  went to my local AT&T store where on …], just on a side note as I read through messages, APN settings would only matter for calls once we have VoLTE
 Hi there
 I have lost the wifi after I have installed anbox
 on nexus 5
 I do not know if it's related
 but it's related in time
 @NotKit [just on a side note as I read through messages, APN settings would only matter f …], att still has regular calls for a year
 @Grillon [Hi there], did you flash the boot image or something?
[14:16] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Grillon [I have lost the wifi after I have installed anbox], This is known to happen on Nexus 5 when you install the whole Anbox image. You have to start the installation following the 2nd green box here: https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html  Better would be to reinstall UT using UBports installer (witho
[14:16] <ubptgbot> ut wipe), and than restart Anbox installation starting with:  … adb shell # connect from your host computer to your UT device … sudo mount -o rw,remount / … sudo apt update … sudo apt install anbox-ubuntu-touch android-tools-adb … anbox-tool install … exit
[14:17] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Grillon [I have lost the wifi after I have installed anbox], [Edit] This is known to occur on Nexus 5 when you install the whole Anbox image. You have to start the installation following the 2nd green box here: https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html  Better would be to reinstall UT using UBports installer
[14:17] <ubptgbot> (without wipe), and than restart Anbox installation starting with:  … adb shell # connect from your host computer to your UT device … sudo mount -o rw,remount / … sudo apt update … sudo apt install anbox-ubuntu-touch android-tools-adb … anbox-tool install … exit
 actuallly on devel (and probably on rc) anbox is shipped on the device
 Uhhhh oneplus n10 port?
 uhhhhh have you checked out devices page @dommercb ?
 [Edit] uhhhhh have you checked out devices page @dommercb?
 @NotKit [just on a side note as I read through messages, APN settings would only matter f …], ok ,thanks
 @dommercb [Uhhhh oneplus n10 port?], I was working on that, but not ready for normal use yet
 It required Halium 10 which is a huge WIP
 @dommercb [Uhhhh oneplus n10 port?], [Edit] I'm working on that, but not ready for normal use yet
 [Edit] It requires Halium 10 which is a huge WIP
 I will dump time into it if you want
 @Fuseteam [uhhhhh have you checked out devices page @dommercb?], Yeah it's full of ancient relics and foss head bleh
 Unfortunately I'm not educated enough to port myself, but knowing I can help with a port is exciting.  If you ever need a hand ping me I'll help out if I can.
 @dommercb [Yeah it's full of ancient relics and foss head bleh], that's the official list mind you, what is not on the list is not supported yet
 also the fx tec pro is one there which is no older than 2019 iirc
[15:20] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> @Soscat House [I recently grabbed a Pixel3a and have been testing on Bell Canada ... No program …], i flashed the pixel 3a with the ubports installer i dont get any mobile data how did you get yours workng
[15:48] <ubptgbot> Addicted2Android was added by: Addicted2Android
 Jesus
 @Fuseteam [did you flash the boot image or something?], Yes I did as defined in documentation
 @Steve Kueffer [This is known to occur on Nexus 5 when you install the whole Anbox image. You ha …], Yes it's probably the reasons thank you to both of you @Fuseteam Steve
[16:12] <ubptgbot> <Soscat House> @By brian All rights reserved [i flashed the pixel 3a with the ubports installer i dont get any mobile data how …], Works if I choose 3G ... and set the APN properly.  Bell Canada UMTS Frequency Bands: … B2 (1900 MHz) … B5 (850 MHz)
 Anyone here running UT on OnePlus 3t?
 @Fuseteam Steve wifi works after ubport reinstall without wipe and no data loss. is this message important: W: No sandbox user '_apt' on the system, can not drop privileges
 it's when I install anbox-tool
 and when I do adb devices on my device I see : emulator-5558   offline
 How can I put emulator-xxxx online?
 @Shakendo [the android layer is basically an abstraction layer so that UT can use the devic …], So even if I install UT on an android it will still be sending my location to the mothership?
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 For k20 pro
 @InvictusBoom [So even if I install UT on an android it will still be sending my location to th …], there are no google play services running on UT
 well if your that concerned about it, then get rid of anything with a processor in your house, UT respects your privacy, but it doesnt make you "disappear"
 actively scanning wifi all the time != actively uploading wifi MACs to google
 but no, i don't think wifi is actively being scanned wiwth UT
[17:12] <ubptgbot> ngstylle was added by: ngstylle
[17:32] <Shadowbird2468> hey, I just bought Oneplus 5 and I'm installing Ubuntu Touch to it, using this guide https://pad.ubports.com/p/HaliumHowToTestInstall I have made it far, but now I dont know how to (issue the last thing I copy pasted into terminal) https://pastebin.com/BQnKfHJB (also where do I add the parameter -i since I will be using ssh later on
 @Shadowbird2468 [hey, I just bought Oneplus 5 and I'm installing Ubuntu Touch to it, using this g …], I will answer you later
 @Shadowbird2468 [hey, I just bought Oneplus 5 and I'm installing Ubuntu Touch to it, using this g …], Oh well took a look, looks ok you just added more blanks than neede between parameters. Try to trim them
 @Shakendo [well if your that concerned about it, then get rid of anything with a processor …], Thank you
 @dohbee [there are no google play services running on UT], Great
 @dohbee [but no, i don't think wifi is actively being scanned wiwth UT], Good
[17:36] <Shadowbird2468> ok, thanks! where do I add the -i parameter exactly?
 UT isn't using wifi/bt MACs for location either
 @Grillon [Yes I did as defined in documentation], guess the docs need to be updated, you don't need to flash the kernel on the nexus 5
 @Grillon [@Fuseteam Steve wifi works after ubport reinstall without wipe and no data loss. …], no that message is not important
[17:39] <Shadowbird2468> -p ut -s -i  ? like that, just adding it with the others?
 @InvictusBoom [So even if I install UT on an android it will still be sending my location to th …], no it doesn't communicate with google at all
 @Fuseteam [no it doesn't communicate with google at all], Good. Thank you for your reply.
[17:44] <Shadowbird2468> ./halium-install-standalone.sh -p ut -s -i ubuntu-touch-android9-arm64.tar.gz system.img
[17:44] <Shadowbird2468> something still not working
[17:49] <Shadowbird2468> I'm not very advanced linux user, but should halium-install-standalone.sh and system.img be in the same folder that I am in? also I dont know if I have ubuntu-touch-android9-arm64.tar.gz anywhere
[17:51] <Shadowbird2468> shadowbird@shadowbird-GA-970A-UD3:~/Downloads/oneplus5$ ls
[17:51] <Shadowbird2468> cheeseburger                  platform-tools
[17:51] <Shadowbird2468> halium-install-standalone.sh  twrp-3.5.0_9-0-cheeseburger_dumpling.img
[17:53] <Shadowbird2468> I have followed step by step the guide, but I think at this point something is a bit off. I feel like I'm missing ubuntu-touch-android9-arm64.tar.gz and I should put all these files in the same folder, right?
 uh Shadowbird, are you trying to help with porting?
 i think they are trying to install on oneplus 5
 eh? with halium install?
 @dohbee [UT isn't using wifi/bt MACs for location either], sorry, what do you mean? in which cases does android use MAC address for location?
[18:04] <Shadowbird2468> im not sure if Im doing all the right stuff here. I started here https://forums.ubports.com/topic/5594/porting-call-for-testers wanting to install Ubuntu Touch on my Oneplus5. I founf the link from a post there that I have followed.. but maybe I was not suppose to..
 @ee [sorry, what do you mean? in which cases does android use MAC address for locatio …], i think there was mozilla project for that
 oh i see its a port in progress
 [Edit] oh i see ithe oneplus 5 is a port in progress
[18:06] <Shadowbird2468> yea
 is adb install the only way to install apk? because my anbox machine appear offline?
 uh the real question is why it is offline
 it shouldn't be offline :p
 @Fuseteam [uh the real question is why it is offline], Yes why, I would love to discover it 😅
 anbox works because preinstall programs as calculator works
 try rebooting your phone
 I did
 hmm weird
 maybe disable and re-enable anbox?
 Yes let's try (how?)
 uhh
 maybe `anbox-tool disable`
 and `anbox-tool enable`
 haha it works 😃 thank you
 how can I go back without home, menu and go back button?
[18:16] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Grillon [haha it works 😃 thank you], Than you can find all Android app here: https://apkcombo.com/
[18:17] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Grillon [haha it works 😃 thank you], [Edit] Than you can find all Android apps here: https://apkcombo.com/
 @Steve Kueffer [Than you can find all Android apps here: https://apkcombo.com/], thank you? can I also update android version? from 7 to 10?
[18:17] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Grillon [thank you? can I also update android version? from 7 to 10?], Not afaik
 @ee [sorry, what do you mean? in which cases does android use MAC address for locatio …], google has a location service for faster location locks and higher accuracy, based on tracking of wifi and bluetooth device locations
[18:18] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> Anbox is still very experimental and need further work to run really well.
[18:18] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> [Edit] Anbox is still very experimental and needs further work to run really well.
[18:30] <Shadowbird2468> I went back a bit to redo somethings taht could have gone wrong and I stoped wondering about the step: "Wipe cache and system.partition and format data partition to remove encryption" should I choose to wipe Cache, System, Data.. but how about Dalvik / ART Cache?
[18:36] <Shadowbird2468> would it be unwise to wipe it just in case?
[18:44] <Shadowbird2468> so after the wipe is done, do I reboot the system?
[18:45] <Shadowbird2468> the screen will just show logon [1+] and "powered by android"
[18:45] <Shadowbird2468> then the command should work?
[18:46] <Shadowbird2468> ./halium-install-standalone.sh -p ut -s -i ubuntu-touch-android9-arm64.tar.gz system.img
[18:53] <Shadowbird2468> can you explain what is suppose to happen here? the .sh should run and install stuff and the parameters are explained here already.. and ubuntu-touch-android9-arm64.tar.gz was something called root file system that I downloaded early on.. what is happening to it/with it now? and system.img is in different folder, is that a problem?
[18:54] <Shadowbird2468> also the .sh file was set to executable so that should be taken care of
 @Grillon [how can I go back without home, menu and go back button?], open issue hehehehe
 @Grillon [haha it works 😃 thank you], yay /o/
[20:19] <ubptgbot> bicchieredipetrolio was added by: bicchieredipetrolio
 @Fuseteam [open issue hehehehe], use swipe from left to right edge to bring up left bar pinned app favorites, or swipe farther right for App Drawer. Back button in Morph browser is in upper left corner.
 @Fuseteam [open issue hehehehe], [Edit] use swipe from left edge to right  to bring up left bar pinned app favorites, or swipe farther right for App Drawer. Swipe Right edge to left to see all open apps. lBack button in Morph browser is in upper left corner.
[21:08] <fretegi> good afternoon
 @TotalSonic [use swipe from left edge to right  to bring up left bar pinned app favorites, or …], uh we were talking about back in anbox apps xD
 at least i think we were 🤔
[21:12] <fretegi> hey there folks.  hoping to get this working on a note 8, am i pushing on a string here?
 oh hey fretegi
 the rule of thumb is if its not on devices.ubuntu-touch.io it has to be ported
 ports that have been started are listed at https://forums.ubports.com/category/33/porting
 while the guide to porting can be found at docs.ubports.com/porting
 @Fuseteam [uh we were talking about back in anbox apps xD], whoops! sorry - Telegram is supposed back for following ongoing threada
 @Fuseteam [uh we were talking about back in anbox apps xD], [Edit] whoops! sorry - Telegram is sometimes bad for following ongoing threada
 @Fuseteam [uh we were talking about back in anbox apps xD], [Edit] whoops! sorry - Telegram is sometimes bad for following ongoing threads
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[21:38] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> @arthurabdulin [Has anyone got Volla UT working mobile data in the UK?], Is mobile … Data not working on villa
[21:38] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Volla
 For USA - Mobile data with Volla working great for me on AT&T (receiving LTE) but not able to make phone calls with that carrier.  On T-mobile receiving only 2G mobile data but able to make and receive clear calss
 @TotalSonic [whoops! sorry - Telegram is sometimes bad for following ongoing threads], it is indeed xD
 Just shipped off a OnePlus 7 Pro to the UK for Caleb to port. If anywhere in here wants to help but doesn't port or code, donate a phone.
 @By brian All rights reserved [Is mobile … Data not working on villa], Hi Brian! In the UK on EE network mobile data does not work on Volla running UT. I have checked APN and tested SIM on an iPhone. I had to go back from UT to VollaOS and mobile data on the same sim works! @Flohack
 @By brian All rights reserved [Is mobile … Data not working on villa], [Edit] Hi Brian! In the UK on EE network mobile data does not work on Volla running UT. I have checked APN and tested SIM on an iPhone. I had to go back from UT to VollaOS and mobile data on the same sim works! @Flohack @nanu_c
 @By brian All rights reserved [Is mobile … Data not working on villa], [Edit] Hi Brian! In the UK on EE network mobile data does not work on Volla running UT. I have checked APN and tested SIM on an iPhone. I had to go back from UT to VollaOS and mobile data on the same sim works! @Flohack @nanu_c @dohbee
 @By brian All rights reserved [Is mobile … Data not working on villa], [Edit] Hi Brian! In the UK on EE network mobile data does not work on Volla running UT. I have checked APN and tested SIM on an iPhone. I had to go back from UT to VollaOS and mobile data on the same sim works! @Flohack @nanu_c @dohbee @UniversalSuperBox
 @By brian All rights reserved [Is mobile … Data not working on villa], [Edit] Hi Brian! In the UK on EE network mobile data does not work on Volla running UT. I have checked APN and tested SIM on an iPhone. I had to go back (reinstalled) from UT to VollaOS and mobile data on the same sim works! @Flohack @nanu_c @dohbee @UniversalSup
[21:51] <ubptgbot> erBox
 Hey Arthur according to https://github.com/HelloVolla/ubuntu-touch-beta-tests/wiki/High-level-epic-overview-for-Ubuntu-Touch-port it should work.
 And I see you already asked in the villa group, there are the developers :)
 @nanu_c [Hey Arthur according to https://github.com/HelloVolla/ubuntu-touch-beta-tests/wi …], I have spent 24 hours literally without a sleep trying to make it work. The network shows [L] for LTE next to the mobile strength signal. But Morph-Browser keep reporting "connection error"
 @arthurabdulin [Hi Brian! In the UK on EE network mobile data does not work on Volla running UT. …], I would love to speak to anyone in the UK who has Volla with UT with mobile data working.  … Please speak to me :)
 Can you use the terminal and `ping google.com` so it's not a morph problem?
[22:01] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> @arthurabdulin [Hi Brian! In the UK on EE network mobile data does not work on Volla running UT. …], Oh dear not good had a similar issue with redmi note 7 no mobile data flashing through installer was looking at getting the volla phone as well will wait for updates until it’s fixed none are a daily driver and yet so
[22:01] <ubptgbot> close
 [Edit] Can you use the terminal and `ping google.com` so it's not a morph only problem?
 @Shadowbird2468 [can you explain what is suppose to happen here? the .sh should run and install s …], Please wait until I publish the final instructions ^^
 @By brian All rights reserved [Oh dear not good had a similar issue with redmi note 7 no mobile data flashing t …], Are you in the UK?
[22:03] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Yes
[22:03] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Redmi works on we if you use halium boot image
[22:03] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Ee
[22:04] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Everything works apart from Bluetooth even finger print scanner works
 @By brian All rights reserved [Yes], I would wait for someone to confirm that mobile data on Volla UT works in UK.
[22:06] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> I will shame really as I love … The operating system and the … Freedom no data tracking
[22:07] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @arthurabdulin [I have spent 24 hours literally without a sleep trying to make it work. The netw …], I don't come from UK at all (Switzerland). Here are given apn for Internet and mms: … Name: EE internet … APN: everywhere … Proxy: Not Required … Port: Not Required … Username: eesecure … Password: secure … Server: Not Required … MMS
[22:07] <ubptgbot> C: http://mms/ … MMS proxy: <IP_ADDRESS> … MMS port: 8080 … MCC: 234 … MNC: 30 … Authentication type: Not Required or just use the default value shown. … Note that you can try leaving username and password empty, sometimes (depending carrier requirements) it does create authentification issues.
 @Flohack [Please wait until I publish the final instructions ^^], he's on irc he may not be online right now
 @By brian All rights reserved [I will shame really as I love … The operating system and the … Freedom no data track …], I was super happy with my Volla running UT on WiFi. Battery life takes you through the day easily. The quality of phone phone built is superior. Quality of the screen is outstanding. The UT is flying-fast!
 @Steve Kueffer [I don't come from UK at all (Switzerland). Here are given apn for Internet and m …], Thanks Steve  I have tried these and many others but no avail. Sadly!
 @Fuseteam [he's on irc he may not be online right now], I know but what can I do ^^
 the forum post maybe xD
 he says he followed the forum post
 Yes but this was announcement only and "for people who know" links to images
 Somehow somebody else made a combination with another thread
 might not work ^^
 Or idk.
 People should wait for my official messages ^^
[22:14] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> @arthurabdulin [Thanks Steve  I have tried these and many others but no avail. Sadly!], Me too
 @Flohack [People should wait for my official messages ^^], hahahaha yeah but people are impatient, who knows maybe he's a porter in the making xD
[22:16] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> @arthurabdulin [I was super happy with my Volla running UT on WiFi. Battery life takes you throu …], Sounds great can’t wait till all these small issues are resolved lots of dedicated people here fixing these issues
 oh cool teleports is capable of showing pinned chats
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/pymW0XRA.webp
 @By brian All rights reserved [Me too], Do you already have Volla UT on hands?
[22:21] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> It seems the Vollaphone on UT is unable to connect to internet using cellular data on a few carriers (USA, Canada, UK, etc...) and works like a charm on most others... It should work in Europe since all LTE bands are  generally supported. Some other users report that it works by deactivating 4g/LTE. https://forums.ubports.com/topic/
[22:21] <ubptgbot> 5636/lte-ubports-ota-15-and-vollaphone/4?_=1612298173307 … Hope that a patch will be shortly released...
 i mean its technically certified for europe
 not sure how the UK fits in their tho


[00:43] <tsimonq2> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/qt4-rm.html
[06:43] <mitya57> tsimonq2: thanks. I expect it to greatly reduce when the Debian importer starts next cycle, as we have recently bumped our bugs to release-critical.
[06:45] <mitya57> Ah, you want to do that before the archive opens…
 The goal, yes
 Do I actually think it will happen? Probably not
 I definitely want to aim for before 20.04 is released though as a final date
 Well, if the archive admins agree to remove so many packages at once, it may happen.
 The tricky part may be some source packages where only a part of them needs Qt4 (see comments in https://wiki.debian.org/Qt4Removal, e.g. backintime, nfs-ganesha). In this case removing the whole source is not needed. … Also we need to fix 4 flavors.
 Right
 I think vorlon might do it
 (mass removal, if requested)
 Good for us then
 I don't think that's the hard part though. Finding trigger happy AAs isn't necessarily a hard thing to do :P
 I think most of the flavors just depend on fcitx
 Our next task really should be identifying those source packages that only partially depend on Qt 4
 There are some comments on that wiki page but they are not complete and not structured
 E.g. lightdm definitely shouldn't be removed, but there is no comment about it
 Also there are some Ubuntu-specific packages.
 Okay
 What do you think about removing qtwebkit & qtwebkit-source this cycle? At least one of them :)
 Sounds good to me
 I wonder who synced qtwebkit — it was not in disco (and I believe it was even in sync blacklist)
 @acheronuk ^ ?
 Looks like it was LocutusOfBorg actually
 One of the two I thought :)
 @mitya57 [What do you think about removing qtwebkit & qtwebkit-source this cycle? At least …], I'll set up a transition tracker now
 Thanks. There should be just a few packages but I'm from phone now so can't check.
 Yeah, just a couplke
 👍
 @mitya57 [I wonder who synced qtwebkit — it was not in disco (and I believe it was even in …], LOB did
 as somthing didn't build against: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtwebkit-source
 If something doesn't build the right thing would be removing it
 So… https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/qtwebkit-rm.html
 Quite some stuff uses PySide.QtWebKit: https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=from+PySide.QtWebKit+import
 And some of those don‘t even have bugs filed in Debian… Doing that now.
[15:43] <lisandro> Thanks


[14:10] <cking> apw, hey, that power management session is sometime after lunch today isn't it?
[14:12] <sforshee> cking, 15:00 in Curacao 1
[14:12] <cking> cool - I may be out of action this morning, the food yesterday hasn't been kind to me so far today
[15:36] <apw> cking, yep
[15:36] <apw> cking, just sent you the notes.  lets lunch together and discuss


[14:26] <zzarr> alf_ how much work is it to make Mir talk to fbdev?
[14:32] <anpok_> zzarr: is that really the right problem to solve?
[14:33] <anpok_> i mean .. if you have a drm capable kernel driver.. you already have the right mechanism to efficiently post to screen, and to pass buffers from clients to server
[14:34] <anpok_> the only missing piece in your case seems to be a mali driver that works with drm
[14:34] <anpok_> or as a temporary solution kms-swrast
[14:34] <anpok_> oh of course your drm kernel driver could mis some features
[14:35] <anpok_> then we would have to add those.. what mir needs there can be easily enabled via various drm-helpers..
[14:36] <anpok_> zzarr: you could ask the lima driver developers..
[14:36]  * alan_g thinks it really is about time we cleaned up support for 3rd party "platform" modules
[14:37] <anpok_> zzarr: i did look at that situation with mali recently
[14:42] <anpok_> zzarr: the mali drivers user ump to manage memory... in theory ump is capable to grant other processes access to buffers. But I havent seen any way to get egl/glev2 render to such a handle, their fbdev-egl drivers do not over an entry point with a native ump handle to render to..
[14:43] <anpok_> the x11-egl drivers require an x11 connection, and also allocation happens underneath..
[14:43] <anpok_> so the only arm-mali solution that might work - is the android drivers..
[14:44] <anpok_> s/not over/not offer/
[14:45] <anpok_> so if you can build an android kernel for your board.. you should be able to get mir working with hybris and the arm drivers that you can download from arm.com..
[14:47] <anpok_> the only other options are: build and select kms-swrast as dri driver, or look into lima.. http://limadriver.org/
[14:50] <zzarr> okey anpok_
[14:51] <zzarr> what changes needs to be done to the kernel to run hybris?
[14:55] <zzarr> anpok_, or is there a tutorial how to rewrite the X driver to become a Mir one?
[14:57] <zzarr> anpok_, is there a Mir driver I can have a look at (so I can compare the mali X driver to it?)
[14:58] <zzarr> I'll read this later, I'll leave the chat open, have to go
[14:58] <anpok_> zzarr: hm not sure what hybris actually needs.. but the mali driver for android will require a mali kernel module.. I am not sure how to integrate that one. I once looked how it was done for an Allwinner SOC, and it didnt look easy..
[15:01] <zzarr> anpok_, okey, you don't think it's possible to "just install" the user space driver?
[15:01] <anpok_> as in I tried to migrate that one to a newer kernel version, and got lost in the integration code that needs to access clocks and interrupts
[15:01] <zzarr> ohh.... I see
[15:01] <anpok_> so the easier path here would be to get an android kernel for rockchip
[15:01] <anpok_> and port ubuntu-touch to it
[15:02] <anpok_> but I cannot help with that
[15:02] <zzarr> I thought it was a matter of kernel configuration
[15:02] <anpok_> well .. of configuring the right kernel
[15:03] <zzarr> the thing is, everything except the graphics and closing the lid/flipping are working
[15:05] <anpok_> someone did that for rk2918 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2318728
[15:05] <zzarr> I have seen that there are android specific configuration options in the kernel, but... I'll have a look
[15:09] <zzarr> If I manage to make an Android version of the kernel (or get one from some RK3288 based device) will the other drivers (/lib/modules... /lib/firmware...) stop working so I need a WiFi driver and so forth too?
[15:13] <anpok_> which kernel did you use?
[15:14] <zzarr> I used one for Kali linux for my device
[15:15] <zzarr> (it actually uses both KERN-A and KERN-B)
[15:15] <anpok_> so .. you would need one that has drivers/gpu/mali
[15:16] <zzarr> anpok_, the kernel(s) are basically the default one(s) but with console activated
[15:17] <zzarr> and as it have GPU acceleration when Chrome OS is booted it have some driver
[15:17] <zzarr> but it's drm
[15:21] <zzarr> anpok_, I hope that I'm not too tiresome, but as many devices are based on the RK3288 SoC I think it would be very nice to get Mir support for it :-)
[15:22] <anpok_> hm yeah it would be interesting to see how the mali driver that they probably use interact with the drm module
[15:23] <anpok_> chrome os has the advantage that they only have a single rendering process in the system, and the different browser rendering process communicate the command streams to that process..
[15:24] <zzarr> anpok_, yea, but I think that's only the user space driver
[15:24] <zzarr> and freon
[15:25] <zzarr> I'll download the code for the mali X driver
[15:25] <anpok_> oh the x11 user space parts are open source?
[15:27] <zzarr> I think they are, if I don't remember wrong
[15:28] <zzarr> here http://malideveloper.arm.com/resources/drivers/open-source-mali-gpus-ump-user-space-drivers-source-code-2/
[15:30] <zzarr> I have to go now, I'll check the chat later (I'll leave it open)
[15:30] <zzarr> thanks so much anpok_
[15:30] <zzarr> I'll figure it out some how ;-)
[15:30] <anpok_> ok
[16:12] <zzarr> anpok_, now I'm here again for a little while
[16:12] <zzarr> I'm sitting on a bus
[16:13] <zzarr> I'm remote controlling a computer at home with the chat
[16:20] <zzarr> anpok_, I got the ump driver, is that enough to write a Mir driver? (I don't see anything interesting yet)
[16:22] <zzarr> I'm soon to get off the bus
[16:22] <anpok_> enough to write a server i guess. but not enough to get a client to render with glesv2 as far as i understood it
[16:23] <zzarr> are you looking at the code?
[16:24] <anpok_> i was looking at the glesv2 sdk examples from arm ... looking for a way to initialize egl with an ump handle..
[16:24] <anpok_> but maybe i was missing something
[16:24] <zzarr> I have to close the connecton now
[16:24] <zzarr> okey
[16:24] <zzarr> bbl
[17:09] <zzarr> I'm back... for now, I was going to a postal office, but the guy who tried to deliver the package to my door wrote the wrong office on the paper he put in my mailbox
[17:09] <zzarr> so I have to go to another office....
[17:12] <zzarr> anpok_, the code I downloaded have a ump_arch.c, ump_frontend.c and ump_ref_drv.c are they useful?
[17:12] <zzarr> anpok_, there are other ump* files as well
[17:13] <zzarr> I have to go to the other postal office now
[17:14] <zzarr> bbl (again)


[03:14] <ToddBrandt> asac: you around?
[09:21] <dholbach> good morning
[10:24] <Mithrandir> hiya Daniel
[02:22] <guardian> hi
[02:23] <guardian> from what i saw on the last image i made for my q1, ubuntu-mobile is only using matchbox-keyboard
[02:23] <guardian> does someone works on putting hildon input method framework in, now that it's released ?
[02:23] <guardian> s/works/work
[02:23] <Mithrandir> your observation is correct.
[02:24] <Mithrandir> the hildon input framework looks interesting, but I don't think anybody has started looking at it yet.
[02:31] <mdamt> Still you need a plugin which sends normal keypresses otherwise it doesn't work in browser.
[02:31] <mdamt> You could make a plugin which embeds the mb-keyboard for example.
[02:32] <Mithrandir> that's a slight show-stopper. :-P
[02:32] <mdamt> Yeah, it works only with Gtk apps.
[02:32] <guardian> that's not what i understood from the hildon input method framework
[02:32] <guardian> the plugin sends messages to the framework
[02:32] <Mithrandir> well, midbrowser is basically like firefox, so that ought to work?
[02:32] <guardian> then it's up to the framework to give the stuff to the apps
[02:32] <mdamt> Yes, the framework is currently for "normal" gtk.
[02:33] <mdamt> It doesnt work for Qt apps for example.
[02:33] <guardian> as far as i remember, the terminal on the nokia n800 receives key presses from the input method
[02:33] <guardian> but maybe they wrapped it in a gtk app
[02:35] <guardian> is there anything else evaluated ? scim ? uim ?
[02:42] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Hi. Isn't the latest image-builder supposed to get the packages for lpia already? I didn't complete the process yet but so far it's downloding the packages for i386.
[02:43] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: I have not changed the default configuration, no.
[02:43] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Ah, ok.
[02:43] <Mithrandir> and I'm trying to get IS to apply my patch so we'll have dailies built for LPIA
[02:44] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: But this will also apply to the standalone image-breator I suppose?
[02:44] <Mithrandir> "this" = ?
[02:45] <Mithrandir> I'm not changing the default configuration and won't for a little while
[02:45] <agoliveira> I see.
[02:45] <agoliveira> Thanks
[02:54] <seb128> Mithrandir: do you need the bluez-utils gstreamer plugin for mobile?
[02:54] <Mithrandir> seb128: I don't think so, no.
[02:54] <Mithrandir> why?
[02:55] <seb128> Mithrandir: because we got rhythmbox and totem crashers due to it and I'm wondering if that's worth keeping it for gutsy or if we should rather delay it to next cycle
[02:55] <Mithrandir> the alsa plugins works for me
[02:55] <seb128> if it's creating bugs on the desktop and not used anywhere I would suggest not building it for now
[02:55] <Mithrandir> agreed
[02:56] <seb128> another solution would be to binary split it
[02:56] <seb128> which might be the cleaner way
[02:57] <Mithrandir> I'll be fine removing it for gutsy and we can spend time on it for hardy.
[03:00] <seb128> ok
[03:41] <smagoun> Anyone else having trouble getting to launchpad?
[03:41] <Mithrandir> smagoun: yes, the canonical data centre is having some connectivity problems.
[03:42] <smagoun> ok, thanks.
[03:46] <Mithrandir> hiya mdz
[04:11] <agoliveira> Using the Q1 I have to enter my passphrase for the wireless conection twice and it's not being recorded, I have to enter it again everytime I boot the device. Does anyone have the same issue?
[04:12] <agoliveira> Once it's connected, it works well tough.
[06:16] <HappyCamp> asac, ping
[06:18] <asac> HappyCamp: ola
[06:19] <HappyCamp> asac, hello :)
[06:19] <asac> i git tree updated?
[06:19] <HappyCamp> Okay, I think I fixed the duplicate issue a few seconds ago, fingers crossed.
[06:19] <asac> hehe :) let me know when build is through and lintian run
[06:19] <HappyCamp> I just removed build-essentials from the build-depends list
[06:20] <HappyCamp> Was that the correct thing to do.  I'm kinda guessing based on the lintian output.
[06:20] <asac> yes
[06:20] <asac> build-essentials is always installed
[06:20] <HappyCamp> good :)  Okay the build should be done in about 5-10 minutes.
[06:20] <asac> did you do anything about the versioned lib links?
[06:21] <HappyCamp> No, what does that mean exactly?  All the (>= ##.##.##)  ???
[06:23] <HappyCamp> asac, or are you talking about package-has-a-duplicate-relation depends
[06:23] <asac> no ... you install libxyz.so.1.2.3 + libxyz.so ... but the plain .so link should not be shipped outside a -dev package
[06:24] <HappyCamp> Oh, I think that has been fixed.  I don't see it in my lintian check
[06:24] <asac> ok
[06:30] <asac> HappyCamp: you should definitly add a the interpreter to the network-customize script
[06:31] <HappyCamp> asac, huh?  what network-customize script?  ToddBrandt is the actual package owner
[06:32] <HappyCamp> So I don't know a great deal about moblin-applets.
[06:32] <asac> HappyCamp: ah ok ... and why do you need to explicitly add the depends? (you get package-has-a-duplicate-relation in lintian) ... those can just be removed from control
[06:32] <HappyCamp> asac, Is there a better way to do the depends?  By the way, you do have comit rights to the package.
[06:33] <asac> HappyCamp: as you can see in lintian they are automatically detected and added
[06:33] <asac> HappyCamp: so just don't add them ... ${shlibs:Depends} will contain them
[06:33] <HappyCamp> asac, don't add any of the ones that lintian complains about.  Delete them from the depends line.  correct?
[06:34] <asac> HappyCamp: yes
[06:34] <HappyCamp> will do
[06:34] <asac> HappyCamp: ok
[06:35] <asac> HappyCamp: please add #!/bin/sh to the network-customize script ... then we should be ready to go
[07:06] <HappyCamp> asac, will do
[07:08] <HappyCamp> asac, maybe I'm blind, but I can't find a script with the title "network-customize".
[07:08] <asac> me neither ;) ... maybe its generated during build somehow?
[07:08] <HappyCamp> Ah, okay a question for ToddBrandt
[07:08] <asac> ToddBrandt: ^^
[07:08] <asac> ?
[07:08] <ToddBrandt> yea, I see your comment
[07:08] <HappyCamp> He is the owner of moblin-applets
[07:09] <asac> ToddBrandt: ok fine.
[07:09] <ToddBrandt> I'm changing the network-customize script
[07:09] <HappyCamp> Thanks ToddBrandt
[07:09] <asac> thanks
[07:12] <ToddBrandt> asac: about the library version issues, basically I'm just letting automake handle the installation, how would you change the Makefile.am files to only install the .so and not the .so.x.x.x links?
[07:12] <asac> ToddBrandt: do we need those libs in /usr/lib at all?
[07:12] <asac> why not install them in pkglibdir ?
[07:13] <asac> ah you already do that
[07:14] <ToddBrandt> asac, I install like 12 libs into /usr/lib/hildon-control-panel, no choice on that, and then there are two common libraries that only moblin-applets will use, libhcpcommon and libemap, and I just changed those to go to /usr/lib/moblin-applets instead of /usr/lib
[07:15] <ToddBrandt> Is that enough or do I need to change it further?
[07:16] <asac> ToddBrandt: aren't the /usr/lib/hildon-control-panel/ libs technically modules?
[07:16] <asac> ToddBrandt: like ... http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/html_node/Libtool-Modules.html#Libtool-Modules
[07:16] <asac> ?
[07:17] <ToddBrandt> asac: Well they're dynamically loaded by hildon-control-panel and executed, I suppose that makes them modules
[07:17] <ToddBrandt> lemme take a look at that doc
[07:18] <asac> right ... so try to add the -module LDFLAGS
[07:18] <ToddBrandt> ok
[07:22] <asac> ToddBrandt: now sport ... bbl
[09:23] <ToddBrandt> asac and HappyCamp: I added the -module LDFLAG to each Makefile.am, however it doesn't seem to have changed anything.
[09:23] <ToddBrandt> except the lintian warning no longer seems to appear
[09:53] <asac> ToddBrandt: did you push to branch already?
[09:53] <ToddBrandt> asac: yea
[09:54] <asac> ok let me pull
[10:06] <asac> ToddBrandt: yes should be fine ... only thing I would prefer is to not use the lib prefix for the modules: e.g. hcplib_LTLIBRARIES = background.la
[10:06] <asac> but its not that important
[10:08] <ToddBrandt> asac: oh, yea I thought that weas the standard for libraries
[10:10] <asac> ToddBrandt: if you see the automake manual above they drop the lib prefix as well ... as in the end modules are not libs.
[10:10] <asac> ToddBrandt: let me know if you want to change that ... since they are in not in libdir we can also rename them later i guess
[10:12] <ToddBrandt> I can change it, just let me make sure hildon-control-panel doesn't have some dependency on that prefix
[10:14] <asac> ToddBrandt: right ... please test the package as well ... i will only look for packaging issues ... not test functionality.
[10:47] <HappyCamp> asac, Mithrandir agoliveira who do I talk to about the rsync server not being on for ports.ubuntu.com?
[10:47] <HappyCamp> ] # rsync ports.ubuntu.com::
[10:47] <HappyCamp> rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver]
[10:47] <HappyCamp> rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(359)
[10:47] <HappyCamp> mdz would you know?  above question
[10:48] <agoliveira> HappyCamp: Probably someone from IS but I can't point you to someone. I'll have to leave that to the old timers to answer.
[10:49] <agoliveira> HappyCamp: But I can ask around, of course.
[10:49] <HappyCamp> agoliveira, Thanks.  It was working and now it isn't.  We really kind of need to mirror the site.  Otherwise development is very slow :(
[10:51] <agoliveira> HappyCamp: I just remembered that our DC had some problems today. Maybe that's the reason of your problem.
[10:51] <HappyCamp> agoliveira, the http access is working though???
[10:52] <agoliveira> HappyCamp: Yes, it seems to be ok.
[10:52] <HappyCamp> http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/
[10:57] <agoliveira> HappyCamp: Someone is looking at it already...
[10:57] <HappyCamp> agoliveira, Thanks!
[11:04] <agoliveira> HappyCamp: I was informed that we're just overloaded at this moment. The IS people is asking to hold on for some time and try again later but can't promisse any timeframe right now.
[11:04] <HappyCamp> agoliveira, okay.  Thanks for the update.  Is overloaded mean because of the DC issues or overloaded because too much bandwidth is being used?
[11:06] <agoliveira> HappyCamp: Looks like some syncing procedures were started some time ago and that's putting the rsync daemon to the limit. I think it's not a bandwidth problem.
[11:06] <HappyCamp> okay.  thanks.  I may bother you tomorrow if I am still seeing it :)
[11:08] <agoliveira> HappyCamp: No problem.
[11:16] <ToddBrandt> asac: automake complains if I take the lib prefix from hcpcommon and emap, those two are actually just pulled in by all the other modules, so I'll leave those two as alone
[11:18] <asac> ToddBrandt: yes ... they are libs so that is sane
[11:19] <ToddBrandt> I still get this:
[11:19] <ToddBrandt> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find any packages for libhcpcommon.so.0
[11:19] <ToddBrandt> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: unable to find dependency information for shared library libhcpcommon (soname 0, path libhcpcommon.so.0, dependency field Depends)
[11:19] <ToddBrandt> How do I get automake to stop its whining
[11:25] <ToddBrandt> ok, well, I just took out dh_shlibdeps since I don't intend to share any of those libs with other packages
[11:34] <HappyCamp> agoliveira, it is working again :)
[11:34] <agoliveira> HappyCamp: Cool.
[11:40] <jbinder> Hi.
[11:41] <jbinder> So this won't be too good for the Nokia 770? :|
[11:43] <agoliveira> jbinder: Nope.
[11:44] <jbinder> :(
[11:44] <jbinder> It looked so cool.
[11:48] <asac> ToddBrandt: better keep it .. and just ignore the whining
[11:52] <ToddBrandt> asac: well if I'm going to formalize moblin-applets I might as well go the whole 9 yrads
[11:52] <ToddBrandt> It doesn't seem to be needed anyway
[11:52] <asac> ToddBrandt: it is ... you have explicit depends on libs in your Depends: line ... which is bad
[11:52] <asac> ToddBrandt: those should be dropped
[11:53] <asac> and be detected by dh_shlibdeps
[11:53] <ToddBrandt> oh ok, 1 sec
[11:53] <asac> ToddBrandt: don't confuse: dh_shlibdeps and dh_makeshlibs
[11:54] <asac> ToddBrandt: i see that you dropped those explicit depends already ... so without that your package should lack depends now
[11:54] <ToddBrandt> ok, so the debian/control file should have what removed?
[11:55] <asac> ToddBrandt: i think this was already done by HappyCamp a few hours ago ... let me pull latest
[11:55] <ToddBrandt> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, hildon-control-panel, evolution-data-server
[11:55] <ToddBrandt> that's the latest line
[11:55] <asac> yes thats good ... previously you listed some libs there
[11:55] <asac> but you need dh_shlibdeps now
[11:56] <asac> which you still have in git
[11:56] <ToddBrandt> ok, building, 1 moment
[11:56] <ToddBrandt> I think it's ready, I just have to make sure everything still runs
[11:56] <asac> yes please do
[11:57] <ToddBrandt> basically the two libs in /usr/lib/moblin-applets still have the lib prefix, and all the ones in /usr/lib/hildon-control-panel all have the lib prefix removed
[11:57] <asac> thats ok
[11:58] <ToddBrandt> lintian only displays the "lack of a man file for the binaries" warning
[11:58] <asac> if the libs in /usr/lib/moblin-applets might be of use for other applications as well we might want to make a real -dev package for them at some point
[11:58] <asac> ToddBrandt: good
[11:58] <ToddBrandt> should I create a man page with a quick blurb about the three binaries I install? moblin-settings-daemon, moblin-applets, and network-customize?
[11:58] <ToddBrandt> or will anybody care
[11:58] <asac> ToddBrandt: better no manpage than a bad one imo
[11:59] <asac> there are lots of binaries without manpage ... its bad, but not critical
[11:59] <asac> if you can come up with something reasonable ... even better
[11:59] <ToddBrandt> hmm, well I'm curious about it, should the man page just install with the moblin-applets package or does it have to be split off into a doc package?
[12:00] <Mithrandir> it should be in the main package
[12:00] <ToddBrandt> ok, I'll write a man page, I;ve never done that before
[12:04] <ToddBrandt> oh, snap, gnome-control-center has a man page too, I'll just use that as a template
[12:07] <asac> ToddBrandt: maybe look at docbook-to-man as well
[12:07] <ToddBrandt> k
[12:08] <AaronL2> ToddBrandt:  I think that the keybindings stuff might be a little two aggressive
[12:09] <AaronL2> ToddBrandt:  I was running emacs on the Samsung, and when I hit Ctrl-s to search, instead, it popped open the Tasks applications
[12:10] <ToddBrandt> AaronL: hah, didn't think about potential conflicts with custom package installs
[12:10] <AaronL2> ToddBrandt:  Also, it seems doubtful that actual devices are going to have a Ctrl key
[12:10] <ToddBrandt> You can change the keybinding to be something else, also the defaults can be less common
[12:10] <AaronL2> ToddBrandt:  they may not even have a USB port for a keyboard
[12:11] <AaronL2> ToddBrandt:  plus, the default in Keybindings says CTRL-S, not CTRL-s
[12:11] <ToddBrandt> AatonL: well they have to have buttons somewhere, my last task is to enable hardware buttons to be bound
[12:13] <AaronL2> ToddBrandt:  I seriously doubt that there will be a hardware button provided for the express purpose of starting the dictionary application, for instance
[12:13] <AaronL2> it's one thing to have one for the Web browser and perhaps the e-mail client
[12:13] <ToddBrandt> also I'm not sure it delineates between ctrl and ctrl-shift, or even if it's capable of doing so on the samsung with it's odd button setup
[12:13] <AaronL2> but calculator, terminal?
[12:13] <AaronL2> ToddBrandt:  I tried it, it actually shows "Shift" if you have the Shift key pressed
[12:14] <ToddBrandt> I would have calculator hooked up to a key, what if you want to do a quick math check in the middle of writing a message?
[12:14] <AaronL2> I think there will be very limited hardware keys for this sort of thing
[12:14] <AaronL2> may depend on the device though
[12:14] <ToddBrandt> well I'm just thinking about the samsung at the moment
[12:15] <ToddBrandt> both it and the Zi9 had 2 or three superfluous keys that could be put to use
[12:15] <AaronL2> for this to be really useful, I imagine a dedicated hardware key just for the Web browser
[12:15] <AaronL2> that has a web look on the actual button
[12:15] <AaronL2> users may have trouble remembering semi-arbitrary key combos like Ctrl-S
[12:16] <ToddBrandt> so what are you suggesting, that the defaults be unmapped, or that the functionality be removed altogether?
[12:16] <AaronL2> no, but perhaps only a few apps show up
[12:16] <AaronL2> not sure
[12:16] <AaronL2> e-mail, web, perhaps that is it, perhaps there is an advanced dialog to control other things
[12:16] <AaronL2> and the other applications, by default, are unmapped
[12:16] <Mithrandir> ToddBrandt: please don't just randomly grab keys like that; If the device has a keyboard, C-s will most likely be "save".
[12:16] <AaronL2> maybe unmapped is best
[12:16] <ToddBrandt> The gnome-settings-daemon had email, www, terminal, calulator, help, logout, power, and the volume knobs
[12:17] <ToddBrandt> I went ahead and added options for mapping all of the default applications
[12:17] <AaronL2> unmapped is probably best--an OEM might want to use a unique hardware key for specific apps
[12:17] <ToddBrandt> makes sense
[12:18] <AaronL2> okay, onto the next thing
[12:18] <ToddBrandt> so what are the core apps that could potentially need shortcuts straight out: www?
[12:18] <ToddBrandt> I could leave that mapped
[12:18] <Mithrandir> or make it use XF86XK_WWW and so on
[12:18] <AaronL2> right, forgot about those special keys
[12:19] <AaronL2> still, it would be weird to see "XF86XK_WWW" in a user application
[12:19] <ToddBrandt> wait, what is XF86XK_WWW?
[12:19] <ToddBrandt> is that a gconf key?
[12:19] <Mithrandir> no, it's a X keysym.
[12:19] <AaronL2> I think it is an actual X key event
[12:19] <Mithrandir> it's what gets sent if you press the web browser button
[12:19] <AaronL2> on some keyboards, there is a Web button
[12:19] <ToddBrandt> oh, wierd
[12:19] <AaronL2> but, there should probably be a user-friendly name for this sort of key
[12:19] <AaronL2> I wonder what happens when it is pressed
[12:20] <ToddBrandt> ok, in theory that should already be usable, it's just a matter of figuring out the text designation of that key event
[12:20] <Mithrandir> the name of my email button is XF86Mail, and it just works out of the box.
[12:20] <AaronL2> yeah, I suspect that the application already has an appropriate key designation
[12:21] <AaronL2> Todd:  I think just Web and e-mail mapped initially, to the keys that Mithrandir suggested
[12:21] <ToddBrandt> ok, that's a great suggestion, I'll look up those keys and try to make them the defaults
[12:21] <AaronL2> cool :-)
[12:21] <ToddBrandt> ok, and just www and email
[12:21] <AaronL2> Mithrandir:  another issue, this one for you :-)
[12:21] <ToddBrandt> and I'll map the "f" key to logout....    just kidding ;)
[12:21] <AaronL2> Mithrandir:  you made a change recently to the xorg.conf file for samsungs
[12:21] <AaronL2> changed mouse2 to mouse1
[12:22] <Mithrandir> AaronL2: yes, without that it didn't work on my Q1.
[12:22] <AaronL2> Mithrandir:  However, as a result of this change, when I click with the stylus, it results in a double-click
[12:22] <Mithrandir> yeah, I noticed that.  If you have a better config, please commit it to git and prod me to upload.
[12:22] <AaronL2> Mithrandir:  for testing, I switched it back to mouse2, and stylus clicking started working properly
[12:22] <Mithrandir> that is, I noticed it today.
[12:22] <Mithrandir> hm
[12:23] <ToddBrandt> oh yea, I noticed that too, things pop open with a single click now
[12:23] <AaronL2> it's very annoying when you are trying to use menus
[12:23] <AaronL2> you click on the menu and it immediately opens and closes
[12:23] <AaronL2> a click and hold works though
[12:23] <AaronL2> you have to hold down for a second
[12:24] <Mithrandir> yup, please commit a fix and prod me to get it uploaded
[12:24] <AaronL2> what's the fix?
[12:24] <AaronL2> switching back to mouse2 will just result in the mouse not working again
[12:25] <Mithrandir> if that works for you, it might just have been something else on my end.
[12:25] <Mithrandir> but, I'm going to sleep now, just finished my beer. :-P
[12:25] <AaronL2> no drinking on the job! :-P
[12:26] <AaronL2> although, no one would know if you are working from home....
[12:26] <AaronL2> ... in your pajamas ....
[12:26] <ToddBrandt> well the typing might get worse than usual, better not tempt fate ;)
[12:27] <AaronL2> little hard to revert a change when I don't have an svn account
[12:27] <AaronL2> Todd:  how should I go about getting such an account?
[12:28] <ToddBrandt> moblin uses git, which svn account are you talking about?
[12:28] <AaronL2> oh, guess I would need a git account then
[12:29] <ToddBrandt> HappyCamp is the gatekeeper, and he must be appeased before entrance is allowed... $50 bucks is usually enough
[12:29] <AaronL2> ah right, HappyCampy
[12:29] <AaronL2> oops
[12:29] <AaronL2> I meant HappyCamp, really!
[12:29] <ToddBrandt> heh
[12:38] <ToddBrandt> asac: ok, the changes are all checked in with the exception of the man page, I'm writing that now
[12:40] <asac> ToddBrandt: thanks ... will look tomorrow and upload if all looks good.
[12:41] <agoliveira> HappyCamp: Is a cheap bouncer :)
[12:50] <ToddBrandt> Does anybody know the best way to run utilities that need root access without bothering the user? e.g. on moblin, network configuration won't open when running as user ume, so I imagine sudo needs to be called somewhere while opening the controlpanel, so if there is no root password will it still query the user?
[01:05] <AaronL2> Todd:  modify /etc/sudoers
[01:05] <AaronL2> possibly
[01:07] <ToddBrandt> hmm, good call, thanks!
[01:07] <AaronL2> Todd:  what exe would you add to /etc/sudoers in this case?
[01:09] <ToddBrandt> /usr/bin/controlpanel, basically that would
[01:09] <ToddBrandt> solve it
[01:09] <AaronL2> yeah, but it would result in giving all control panel plug-ins superuser privileges
[01:09] <AaronL2> that's a problem
[01:09] <ToddBrandt> exactly what I need
[01:10] <AaronL2> but, it's possible to install additional control panel applets
[01:10] <AaronL2> some user software may do this
[01:10] <AaronL2> and such control panel applets could do malicious things, possibly
[01:11] <ToddBrandt> yea, but they all run within a single process, is it possible to delineate priveleges within different modules of the same executable?
[01:11] <AaronL2> probably not, the way to go might to use inter-process communication
[01:11] <AaronL2> and have another EXE started up by the network applet
[01:11] <AaronL2> that is added to /etc/sudoers
[01:11] <AaronL2> 'course, that's more work :-)
[01:13] <AaronL2> ToddBrandt:  what can you do from the network config applet that requires superuser privileges?
[01:13] <ToddBrandt> Hildon desktop doesn't work that way, I actually wish it did, in gnome-desktop all those applets are full blown applications with their own execution space, they can be more easily controlled
[01:14] <AaronL2> sure you can do that will hildon desktop
[01:14] <ToddBrandt> it edits files in the /etc directory basically
[01:14] <AaronL2> you would use something like exec to start a process
[01:14] <AaronL2> from the network control panel applet library
[01:14] <AaronL2> and communicate with it using inter-process communication of some sort
[01:14] <AaronL2> perhaps you could use dbus as well
[01:15] <AaronL2> but, perhaps the network config applet doesn't need superuser privileges
[01:15] <AaronL2> for instance, the user can easily use /sbin/ifconfig -a
[01:15] <AaronL2> without superuser privileges
[01:15] <AaronL2> if it's just for providing information, all that info should be accessible without su privileges
[01:15] <ToddBrandt> yea I think maybe the easiest solution is just removing the superuser dependency
[01:15] <AaronL2> :-)
[01:16] <AaronL2> probably also the safest from a security standpoint
[01:16] <ToddBrandt> maybe add the network configuration files to a group that user ume is a member of
[01:16] <AaronL2> well, or make them readable by all
[01:17] <AaronL2> which files are these?
[01:17] <AaronL2> I would suspect that they are already readable by all
[01:17] <ToddBrandt> writeable actually, it needs to be able to edit connection settings
[01:17] <AaronL2> why?
[01:17] <ToddBrandt> it's the network configuration applet
[01:17] <AaronL2> true
[01:17] <AaronL2> but it could be just used for providing information
[01:17] <ToddBrandt> configuration implies writing :D
[01:17] <AaronL2> what is in there that the user needs to edit
[01:17] <AaronL2> no, not necessarily
[01:18] <AaronL2> that's not how it works on the Nokia Internet tablets
[01:18] <AaronL2> some of the control panel applets are just used to provide information
[01:18] <ToddBrandt> WEP keys, static ip settings, DNS servers, DHCP or no DHCP
[01:18] <AaronL2> hmm
[01:18] <AaronL2> I think that Nokia got around this security issue by having a completely separate application for connectivity settings
[01:18] <ToddBrandt> basically it's the manual configuration dialog, under 99% of people's use cases they'll never touvch it, they'll just use nm-applet's nifty little auto interface
[01:19] <AaronL2> see, it's perhaps more complicated than global settings
[01:19] <AaronL2> On the Nokia, you can have different, saved configurations for each connection