[13:54] <fta> wgrant, ping
[19:15] <verterok> jelmer: around?
[19:15] <verterok> hi
[19:16] <verterok> I'm having some problems while trying to import a git branch, the lp branch is: https://code.launchpad.net/~verterok/boto/trunk-git
[19:16] <verterok> and I'm getting this error: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/61677251/verterok-boto-trunk-git.log
[19:16] <verterok> any ideas? should I file a bug? :)
[19:30] <jcsackett> hi verotek, sorry i didn't see your question earlier.
[19:30] <jcsackett> abentley, do you know anything about a code import difficulties, or who might be best to ask?
[19:31] <jcsackett> verterok, sorry. i mistyped your name above.
[19:31] <abentley> jcsackett, you could ask jelmer.  It doesn't look specific to launchpad.
[19:31] <verterok> jcsackett: hi, np :)
[19:32] <verterok> jcsackett: looks like a bug in dulwich/bzr-git...I'm getting the same failure locally :(
[19:32] <jcsackett> verterok: ah. i'm not sure then. i see you already pinged jelmer.
[19:33] <verterok> jcsackett: yes, I'll talk with him about how to workaround this. thanks!
[19:33] <jcsackett> verterok: no problem. sorry i wasn't exactly a help. :-)
[19:37] <abentley> verterok, I get the same issue with bzr-git tip.
[19:38] <verterok> abentley: yeap, it's a wrong utc offset: --700 instead of -0700 :/
[19:40] <abentley> verterok, please file a bug on bzr-git and Launchpad.  (The launchpad fix will need the bzr-git fix).
[19:40] <verterok> abentley: ok
[19:45] <verterok> abentley: done, thanks for trying it locally. the bug is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/dulwich/+bug/697828
[19:47] <abentley> verterok, thanks.
[20:37] <njin> Hello, is LP down?
[20:38] <micahg> wfm
[20:38] <njin> ok
[22:14] <dobey> how do i get a ~vcs-imports branch updated to point to the correct upstream repo? like for something that moved from svn to hg?
[22:19] <bjsnider> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/58709752/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.gimp_2.7.3-2010110501~mm_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:20] <bjsnider> that is listed as a build failure, but i can't see a reason
[22:20] <bjsnider> in fact it looks like it explicitly says it succeeded
[22:22] <wgrant> dobey: Import branches can't be changed from one type to another, so you'll need to create a new hg one.
[22:23] <wgrant> bjsnider: Look at the end of the log.
[22:23] <wgrant> Our automated build log filter detected the problem(s) above that will
[22:23] <wgrant> likely cause your package to segfault on architectures where the size of
[22:23] <wgrant> a pointer is greater than the size of an integer, such as ia64 and amd64.
[22:24] <dobey> wgrant: and how do i make it be trunk, and how do i make some reasonable team (which i am probably not a member of) be the owner?
[22:25] <wgrant> dobey: It's not clear what "reasonable team" means.
[22:25] <dobey> err, by "be trunk" i guess i mean "be the development target"
[22:25] <wgrant> dobey: You need to contact the project owner or an admin for that.
[22:42] <Blitzmerker> Hi, I tried to download the development source of gnome-media-player, but I there is a problem connecting to the Launchpad server
[22:46] <spiv> Blitzmerker: how did you try downloading it, and what problem did you see?
[22:46] <spiv> Oh, I see.
[22:46] <spiv> It's another one of these branches that is stacked on itself :(
[22:48] <spiv> thumper (or any other lp-code person): ~gnome-media-player-development/gnome-media-player/0.2 appears to be stacked on itself.
[22:48] <thumper> haha
[22:48] <thumper> not helpful I know
[22:50] <thumper> the LP branch page doesn't think it is stacked on itself
[22:52] <spiv> hpss call:   'Branch.get_stacked_on_url', '~gnome-media-player-development/gnome-media-player/0.2/'
[22:52] <spiv> result:   ('ok', '/~gnome-media-player-development/gnome-media-player/0.2')
[22:52] <spiv> Interesting that LP thinks differently, but I suppose LP gets its info updated by the branch scanner, which presumably can't open a self-stacked branch.
[22:53] <thumper> spiv: probably
[22:53] <thumper> we should set it back to what it was
[22:53] <thumper> then make it unstacked
[22:53] <spiv> I wonder how it got in that state in the first place.  A branch rename maybe?
[22:53] <thumper> no
[22:53] <thumper> well... maybe?
[22:53] <wgrant> It's normally a branch or person rename.
[22:53] <spiv> LP doesn't currently rewrite the stacked_on field when a branch is renamed, IIRC?
[22:56] <spiv> (Or alternatively, LP ought to be using the immutable branch ID and then dynamically rewriting that to the current name when reporting it to bzr or http clients)
[22:57] <spiv> That would innoculate against person and branch renames.  The rewrite-upon-rename solution would need to touch every branch a person owns as part of a person rename which is probably undesirable.
[22:58] <poolie> that would be nice
[23:51] <thumper> spiv: patches accepted :-)


[20:26] <santa_> hi everyone
[20:26] <santa_> I seem to have a problem login into the ubuntu wiki with ubuntu one
[20:28] <santa_> it just doesn't log into wiki.u.o, while it logs in correctly for launchpad
[20:31] <santa_> what happens is: I'm browsing wiki.u.o then I click the sign in button, then it apparently logs into ubuntu one successfully and then I click the "yes, log me in" button which should redirect me to wiki.u.o but it just hangs and does nothing
[21:06] <santa_> nevermind it seems it finally worked


[09:45] <rmg51> Morning
[09:58] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[10:34] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:16] <waltman> *YAWN*
[13:09] <MutantTurkey> honestly I stick to posting stephen colbert stuff and it works
[13:09] <MutantTurkey> reddit loves the colbert
[13:09] <MutantTurkey> 91 ups 10 downs
[13:09] <MutantTurkey> http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/rr60c/gary_johnson_on_stephen_colbert/
[13:09] <PennBot> Title: Gary Johnson on Stephen Colbert : Libertarian (at www.reddit.com)
[13:09] <MutantTurkey> r/libertarian loves johnson, all of reddit loves colbert
[13:09] <MutantTurkey> clutch
[13:11] <SamuraiAlba> Bitches love Colbert
[13:12] <MutantTurkey> exactly
[13:12] <MutantTurkey> esp libertarian ones
[13:44] <aurigus> hey, anyone in philly want to get lunch today?
[13:45] <JonathanD> mmmm lunch...
[13:48] <MutantTurkey> aurigus: yum
[13:55] <MutantTurkey> can I pipe something with scp or something
[13:55] <MutantTurkey> I guess netcat is the way to do it?
[14:02] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey: What are you piping?
[14:06] <MutantTurkey> text
[14:06] <MutantTurkey> it didn't work though:|
[14:06] <MutantTurkey> this virtual host is at 100% space i can't resize it so i just wanted to pipe the data to my computer directly
[14:07] <ChinnoDog> you can tar over netcat
[14:08] <ChinnoDog> I seem to have lost my note on how to do that
[14:09] <ChinnoDog> I know you set up the listener first then send the data.
[14:09] <ChinnoDog> I used it to copy a hard drive.
[14:12] <MutantTurkey> yeah it's rather efficient
[14:24] <ChinnoDog> I think I also piped it through lzop when I did it to make it even more efficient
[14:24] <MutantTurkey> does that make it more efficient?
[14:24] <MutantTurkey> it all depends on what your bottleneck is
[14:25] <ChinnoDog> lzop is so fast it increases file copying speed even when just using it on your local hard disks
[14:25] <MutantTurkey> i assume it's your read/write speed, not network speed, since it's probably local
[14:25] <MutantTurkey> howso?
[14:26] <ChinnoDog> It is written to have excellent performance rather than a high compression ratio
[14:26] <ChinnoDog> That is why lzo is one of the available compression algorithms used with btrfs
[14:26] <ChinnoDog> It still compresses pretty well though.
[14:34] <MutantTurkey> right but i don't see how it would speed anything up
[14:35] <MutantTurkey> unless the bottneck is the network or the write speed
[14:35] <MutantTurkey> again, it'd be a waste because you'd have to extract it anyway if it was compressed
[14:38] <ChinnoDog> The bottleneck is your network. When you aren't using the network, the bottlneck is your local disk.
[14:39] <MutantTurkey> right
[14:39] <MutantTurkey> ok then :-)
[14:39] <ChinnoDog> Using lzop to compress a file on your local disk and write the compressed version to another location is faster than copying the uncompressed version because the algorithm is so fast that the compression latency is not significant
[14:40] <MutantTurkey> but consider that you'll have to decompress it anyway, and at that point you'll be hit with the same overhead as before, plus the overhead of decompression
[14:40] <MutantTurkey> no?
[14:40] <ChinnoDog> If you use lzop to compress your tar stream before sending it over netcat you could increase your throughput 40% without any noticable slowdown on either end from compression/decompresion
[14:40] <MutantTurkey> right
[14:40] <ChinnoDog> Not using lzop. It is faster than even 7-zip on the -mx=1 setting
[14:41] <MutantTurkey> what about locally though?
[14:41] <ChinnoDog> it doesn't save you anything if you are making an uncompressed copy locally, only if you are writing the comrpessed version to disk
[14:45] <passstab> re
[14:49] <MutantTurkey> errok
[15:19] <passstab> uwn would be a great project to be involved with?
[15:20] <passstab> how?
[15:20] <PennBot> It has been said that how is user diff from seen ?>, passstab
[15:20] <ChinnoDog> PennBot!
[15:20] <passstab> and why?
[15:20] <passstab> what?
[15:20] <passstab> so many questions
[15:20] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: what is the question
[15:20] <PennBot> Wish I knew.
[15:21] <ChinnoDog> hmm
[15:21] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: passstab?
[15:21] <PennBot> It has been said that passstab is regestered, ChinnoDog
[15:21] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: ChinnoDog?
[15:21] <PennBot> hmm... ChinnoDog is not going to have them call me ChinnoDog. lol, ChinnoDog
[15:22] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: pleia2?
[15:22] <PennBot> Somebody said pleia2 is an atheist and skeptic, and almost done reading Genesis via Torah (translated to english, I'm not /that/ good), ChinnoDog
[15:22] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: MutantTurkey?
[15:22] <PennBot> I guess MutantTurkey is a internet sensation with 105 upvotes, ChinnoDog
[15:22] <ChinnoDog> haha
[15:23] <MutantTurkey> welp
[15:23] <MutantTurkey> whoa whoa
[15:23] <MutantTurkey> more now a days
[15:23] <MutantTurkey> PennBot: MutantTurkey is a internet sensation with 550 upvotes
[15:23] <PennBot> ... but MutantTurkey is a internet sensation with 105 upvotes ...
[15:23] <ChinnoDog> upvotes... on reddit?
[15:24] <MutantTurkey> yadowg
[15:24] <ChinnoDog> But you don't hang out in the philly reddit IRC channel
[15:26] <MutantTurkey> channel?
[15:27] <ChinnoDog> #reddit-philadelphia
[15:32] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: they're a rowdy bunch
[15:33] <ChinnoDog> :-)
[15:37] <passstab> jedifj PM'd me
[15:37] <passstab> jedijf
[15:38] <passstab> that uwn would be a great project to be involved with
[15:39] <MutantTurkey> uwn?
[15:39] <passstab> ubuntu weekly news
[15:39] <passstab> i wouldn't have known it either if google didn't know me
[15:40] <MutantTurkey> oh
[15:40] <MutantTurkey> like lwn but not
[15:40] <MutantTurkey> ?
[15:40] <MutantTurkey> :-)
[15:40] <passstab> and gratis
[15:41] <MutantTurkey> cool
[15:41] <MutantTurkey> i'd love to work for lwn or h-online
[15:41] <MutantTurkey> i like writing
[15:50] <passstab> unlike me
[15:51] <passstab> which is why i'm waiting for jedijf
[15:51] <passstab> should have used his name
[15:51] <passstab> sorry
[15:52] <passstab> how do i see why a package is installed with apt?
[15:53] <passstab> or any other CLI tool
[16:06] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: so what, they're basically all the self righteous male doushebarkes from philly?
[16:09] <ChinnoDog> lol
[16:09] <ChinnoDog> Joe_CoT: represent your channel
[16:09] <Joe_CoT> wait what?
[16:10] <Joe_CoT> who am I representing to?
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> me
[16:11] <Joe_CoT> you're already in there
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> no here
[16:12] <Joe_CoT> Why would I explain /r/philly IRC to you when you've been working there for weeks?
[16:12] <Joe_CoT> *lurking
[16:12] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey only went in there today
[16:13] <Joe_CoT> yes they're a rowdy bunch, a lot of the conversations are immature. a bunch of them are cool in person, a bunch of them aren't, a bunch of them are dramatic, a bunch of them spend most of their time trying to sleep with each other.  And if you go to a reddit meetup trying to pick up girls, You're Gonna Have a Bad Time.
[16:18] <MutantTurkey> I can't imagine anyone would want too
[16:19] <Joe_CoT> you're not thinking with Portals
[16:19] <MutantTurkey> are we talking beer goggles?
[16:19] <Joe_CoT> I'm not getting into that discussion =P
[16:20] <Joe_CoT> anyway, they're cool peoples, but a little silly on IRC
[16:20] <Joe_CoT> and also a little silly in person
[16:21] <passstab> in bash should variables ALWAYS be in quotes?
[16:21] <MutantTurkey> i think everyone is a bit sillly
[16:32] <adom> hey all
[16:32] <adom> someone talk to me about 32bit vs 64bit for ubuntu. whats everyone using? (even if its not ubuntu)
[16:33] <Joe_CoT> I use 32 on some and 64 on others
[16:33] <adom> ive actually never ran a 64 bit system, even though my home desktop has a 64bit cpu
[16:33] <adom> just read something that pinched a nerve...
[16:33] <Joe_CoT> I run 32 at work and 64 at home
[16:33] <adom> Windows expert Mark Russinovich found that a desktop running 32-bit Windows with 4 GB of RAM and two 1 GB video cards only had 2.2 GB of RAM available for the operating system—so the bigger and better your video cards get, the less of that 4 GB will be accessible on a 32-bit system.
[16:33] <adom> never realized that
[16:33] <Joe_CoT> yes but keep PAE in mind
[16:33] <adom> Joe_CoT: is your home machine for gaming? media editing?
[16:33] <adom> PAE?
[16:34] <Joe_CoT> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension
[16:34] <PennBot> Title: Physical Address Extension - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[16:34] <Joe_CoT> Ubuntu will use a PAE kernel by default if you have over 4gb of memory and are running the 32 bit version
[16:34] <Joe_CoT> it will access the memory slightly slower, but it will still work
[16:35] <Joe_CoT> the only drawback remaining is that no single app can use more than 4gb
[16:35] <adom> but that memory access will be a bit slower?
[16:35] <Joe_CoT> yes, but I doubt noticeably
[16:36] <adom> nonetheless. im going to install 64bit linux at home (dont have a valid 64bit win7 key atm)
[16:36] <Joe_CoT> I run 64 bit linux on my laptop, runs fine. I run 64 bit linux and windows on my desktop, which I use for gaming.
[16:36] <adom> offtopic: do you do any linux gaming?
[16:36] <Joe_CoT> 64 bit linux is pretty much fine at this point, the only flaw is Flash support
[16:36] <Joe_CoT> I do very little
[16:36] <adom> talk to me about 64bit flash support
[16:36] <Joe_CoT> I do very little gaming in general. My roommate uses the machine far more than I do
[16:36] <Joe_CoT> there's basically 3 ways to do 64 bit flash
[16:37] <Joe_CoT> you can use nspluginwrapper, which will allow the 32 bit flash plugin to run in a 64 bit browser. it has some flaws, and sometimes it crashes, but it mostly works fine
[16:37] <Joe_CoT> you can use the 64 bit flash plugin, but Adobe constantly goes back and forth on whether they're supporting it and releasing new versions (the answer write now is no)
[16:38] <Joe_CoT> you can use one of the open-source flash plugins, which for the most part suck
[16:39] <passstab> they do
[16:39] <Joe_CoT> they support it right now?
[16:40] <passstab> yes
[16:40] <adom> which do you use? 32bit version via nspluginwrapper, or actual 64bit plugin?
[16:40] <Joe_CoT> I don't even remember
[16:40] <Joe_CoT> it doesn't really come up. Ubuntu defaults to one or the other at this point, and it seems to work fine
[16:41] <passstab> thing is they don't support flash on linux so much now
[16:41] <passstab> unless you use chromium
[16:41] <Joe_CoT> yeah, they're cutting support for anything that doesn't support the Pepper api, which is only Chrome
[16:45] <MutantTurkey> basically asking for flash to die quicker than ever
[16:45] <MutantTurkey> no?
[16:47] <Joe_CoT> that's the consensus, or more likely asking for everyone to implement the Pepper API
[16:47] <Joe_CoT> which I imagine Firefox will eventually break down and do, like they did with h264
[16:48] <MutantTurkey> yeah
[16:48] <MutantTurkey> or not
[16:48] <MutantTurkey> I mean the current verson is going to be supported for how long?
[16:48] <MutantTurkey> security updates at least right?
[16:48] <MutantTurkey> 4 -5 years or something?
[16:48] <MutantTurkey> we can safely assume it will be largely gone by then
[16:49] <Joe_CoT> something like that yeah
[16:49] <Joe_CoT> there are still uses for flash though
[16:49] <MutantTurkey> so 5 years ago firefox 3 was released
[16:49] <MutantTurkey> yeah until someone implements a good way to deliver drm over the web
[16:49] <MutantTurkey> right
[16:49] <Joe_CoT> you're not going to see flash go away unless DRM gets added to html5 video
[16:49] <MutantTurkey> which it should
[16:49] <Joe_CoT> there's a big backlash to it, which while I understand, is counter-productive
[16:50] <MutantTurkey> why shouldn't it be included?
[16:50] <Joe_CoT> they're going to shove DRM in somehow no matter what we do
[16:50] <MutantTurkey> yep
[16:50] <Joe_CoT> the issue is that people are philosophically against DRM, which I can empathize with. but are options are: DRM through Flash, DRM through html5 video, not getting the content at all
[16:53] <MutantTurkey> why are people against drm?
[16:53] <MutantTurkey> if you don't want to use drm, then don't use it.
[16:53] <MutantTurkey> if companies want to do it, let them.
[16:53] <MutantTurkey> but just because you don't like something, doesn't mean someone else shouldn't be able to
[16:54] <MutantTurkey> that goes for weed, abortion, religion, health care. everything.
[17:09] <jedijf> passstab: check mail list i think i emailed uwn help needed before, or click your heels 3 times and say "pleia2 i want to assist with uwn, what can i do?" answer will be revealed
[17:12]  * passstab checks the mailing list
[17:12] <passstab> BTW are you on the plug list?
[17:13] <jedijf> yes, but rarely read it anymore
[17:13] <passstab> you might want to read the last few
[17:13] <passstab> i won't say more then that
[17:14] <passstab> i don't see the post you refered to
[17:14] <jedijf> you just degraded road safety in the springfield pa area
[17:15] <jedijf> ok, then click your heels
[17:17] <jedijf> passstab: esr??
[17:17] <jedijf> 175 unread btw
[17:24] <jedijf> pleia2: bclug'er popped up on list, you should have special guest taken them over for PLUG  when you were in town for ol' times sake
[17:50] <passstab> are you going?
[17:53] <pleia2> jedijf: hm, where?
[17:54] <pleia2> I guested at North in October, I think there were no PLUGs when I was in town this time
[17:59] <MutantTurkey> anyone understand xquery?
[17:59] <MutantTurkey> need some foo
[18:10] <jedijf> passstab: no go
[18:10] <jedijf> pleia2: on the list; said hello, i am former bc lugger.....
[18:11] <jedijf> pleia2: passtawants to be uwn jr editor; please assist
[18:11] <pleia2> aaahhh, I see
[18:12] <pleia2> passstab: join #ubuntu-news, we'll give you something to do :)
[18:12] <passstab> HUH?
[18:22]  * passstab accepts his having no say in the matter
[18:23] <ChinnoDog> pleia2 has spoken. obey
[18:23] <pleia2> you asked about uwn :)
[18:23] <pleia2> it is a great project to get involved with!
[18:25] <jedijf> passstab: you do all the work anyway with all your rss feed reading, just link it up and get cred
[18:25] <passstab> i asked why jedijf  was suggesting my contribution
[18:25] <passstab> oh
[18:25] <jedijf> or whatever pleia2 tells you to do
[18:25] <passstab> thats a good reason
[18:26] <pleia2> oh :)
[18:27] <passstab> it just didn't seem like a good fit to for someone who is bad at wrighting
[18:27] <passstab> and not a ubuntu fan
[18:27] <passstab> but thats a good reason
[18:28] <jedijf> 1) it can help with writing 2) it's just youth rebellion
[18:29] <jedijf> 3) w/o ubu all you young people would be all alone with NO linux'y events or friends
[18:29] <jedijf> it's ok to hate, as long as you're here....we'll wait
[18:31] <jedijf> and what will you do when the ubu rpi builds rocks them all?
[18:31] <jedijf> it's not like they don't have enough time to finish it...poke ssweeny
[18:34] <passstab> ...
[18:35] <passstab> ..
[18:35] <passstab> 1) i AM doing it
[18:36] <passstab> 2) how do you justify the contributer agreement?
[18:36] <passstab> 3) thats why i'm here at all
[18:54] <ssweeny> who's poking me now?
[18:59] <passstab> jedijf, thinks you should make ubu-rpi builds
[19:03] <MutantTurkey> so sleepy
[19:04] <ChinnoDog> too much turkey
[19:05] <ChinnoDog> (Incidentally, turkey making you any more sleepy than eating anything else is a myth.)
[19:06] <MutantTurkey> eating makes me sleephy
[19:09] <ChinnoDog> time to wake up MutantTurkey
[19:09]  * ChinnoDog slaps MutantTurkey around a bit with a large trout
[19:09] <MutantTurkey> oh boy
[19:18] <passstab> http://librivox.org/2012/04/05/jobs-were-hiring-a-tech-project-manager-and-a-developer/
[19:18] <PennBot> Title: LibriVox » Blog Archive » Jobs! Were hiring a tech project manager and a developer (at librivox.org)
[19:27] <passstab> what would a ubu-rpi do that a deb-rpi won't?
[19:32] <MutantTurkey> is there a good linux job jueing software
[19:35] <MutantTurkey> i have 128 cores. i have 18000 images to process
[19:35] <MutantTurkey> I don't want to execute 18000 processes
[19:36] <MutantTurkey> i want to execute 128 at a time
[19:36] <MutantTurkey> like -j128 with gcc
[19:36] <MutantTurkey> ideas?
[19:36] <MutantTurkey> jedijf:
[20:47] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: seems like bash script is simplest, especially if the images are named sanely and sequentially
[20:49] <jedijf> actually in the old days, that would be a one-liner
[20:50] <jedijf> nested loops - done
[20:55] <jedijf> cd's ordered


[16:10] <msg75> message from launchpad.net "A new OAuth token consumer was enabled in Launchpad." Message advises: If you did not make this change, please ...visit #launchpad on IRC at irc.libera.chat to alert staff of the issue.
[16:11] <msg75> I don't know anything about OAuth tokens. I logged into askubuntu with my launchpad account.
[16:17] <msg75> I don't if this is the best way to "alert staff" - what staff. Please advise
[16:21] <msg75> I did not have an askubuntu account before.
[16:31] <msg75> Resolved on launchpad.net -> Authorized applications, Claimed tokens:
[16:31] <msg75> Application name: Ask Ubuntu
[16:31] <msg75> Authorized, 4 hours ago, to read anything ; OK
[16:32] <msg75> Should have started there. Sorry. :|


[01:40] <Devilsolution> yo
[01:41] <Devilsolution> what the channel with loads of peoples in it?
[01:41] <Devilsolution> how'd i search
[01:41] <Devilsolution> ??/
[01:51] <Azelphur> Devilsolution: that was vague
[01:53] <Devilsolution> yeh major
[01:53] <Devilsolution> im drunk
[07:16] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:28] <Myrtti> möh
[07:29] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:25] <Myrtti> http://www.planetary.org/blogs/casey-dreier/2013/20131108-we-need-you-to-stand-up-for-planetary-science.html http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/12/nasa-might-stop-exploring-the-planets-heres-why-thats-terrible/282012/ https://twitter.com/plutokiller/status/407947852002783233 :-(
[08:33] <knightwise> morning everyone
[08:41] <AlanBell> choo choo
[08:43]  * AlanBell is on the eurotunnel
[08:50] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:51] <knightwise> Hey AlanBell .. heading towards Belgium ?
[08:58] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: Eurotunnel goes to France :P
[09:22] <popey> http://www.blastem-game.com/ is a fun game ☻
[09:23] <directhex> USB type C connections announced. main feature: no more quantum right-way-up calculations, as it's reversible (like Lightning)
[09:23] <directhex> popey, ^^
[09:23] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:24] <popey> saw someone mention that on G+ and it made me smile ☻
[09:24] <dwatkins> woohoo!
[09:24] <bashrc> g'day
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> directhex: [citation needed]
[09:24] <dwatkins> I daren't imagine the amount of time wasted on getting USB plugs the wrong way up.
[09:24] <bashrc> when you add it up around the world it must be thousands of years
[09:24] <directhex> MartijnVdS,  http://www.usb.org/press/USB-IF_Press_Releases/Type-C_PR_20131203_Final.pdf
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: I get it right the first time 99% of the time
[09:25] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: I'm thinking of other people ;)
[09:26] <dwatkins> popey: https://plus.google.com/113887142977624814920/posts/HZwsF121jFA
[09:26] <bashrc> whichever way I initially try I can be sure it's the wrong way
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: I've heard people claim they have some kind of weird geometry, where turning it around *twice* makes it work
[09:29] <bashrc> it's like a ritual
[09:30] <directhex> MartijnVdS, it's quantum
[09:30] <directhex> MartijnVdS, you don't know it's upside-down until you try to plug it in and the waveform collapses
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> directhex: ah! that explains why my cables are so (en)tangled
[09:32] <dwatkins> I have a 10-port USB hub on my desk, and it's still not enough.
[09:36] <popey> i have 2x7 port ☻
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> popey: is it enough though?
[09:36] <popey> at the moment
[09:37] <directhex> i don't have a hub per se
[09:37] <directhex> but i have a usb switch
[09:37] <directhex> 4 device -> 2 host
[09:39] <dwatkins> I didn't even know they existed. I have DVI switches with PS2 ports, though, I guess it's similar.
[09:39] <dwatkins> Sadly my DVI switch is pretty useless, as it forces the resolution to get reset to something unuseably low.
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> 320x200?
[09:40] <dwatkins> Ok, not quite that bad ;)
[09:43] <directhex> dwatkins, switches make EDID hard
[09:44] <directhex> dwatkins, i use http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/cerulian-4-port-usb-20-switching-hub-n10jb
[09:46] <dwatkins> directhex: yeah, I suspected that was the issue - mine was cheap from Maplin... it's now been discontinued.
[09:48] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wear Brown Shoes Day!  :-D
[09:49] <foobarry> ewww
[09:49] <SuperMatt> dafuq?
[09:50]  * popey has brown slippers
[09:50]  * dwatkins has white^Wgrey trainers
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: see G+ ;)
[09:50] <SuperMatt> I'm just wearing my black converses
[09:52] <JamesTait> I'm wearing the same black Karrimor boots I always do.
[09:53] <popey> i need some new boots
[09:54] <dwatkins> popey: http://www.philosophersguild.com/Freudian-Slippers.html ;)
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> New Balance walking shoes++
[10:19] <foobarry> sweet. i used to have this aston martin when i was a kid (still have it) http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/3382048.htm
[10:20] <foobarry> the ejector seat worked in mine though
[10:20] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:20] <bigcalm> Morning brobostigon
[10:20] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[10:24] <bigcalm>    %up               99.959 | since                     Thu Feb 14 23:02:18 2013
[10:24] <bigcalm> Such stats are silly, but they still please me. Bytemark vps still going strong
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: mine was rebooted several times 2 weeks ago
[10:25] <bigcalm> Oh dear
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: the "head" crashed twice (bigv)
[10:25] <bigcalm> Ah, it would cost me more to move to bigv for the same spec that I have
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> it was cheaper for me :)
[10:26] <bigcalm> Swings and roundabouts
[10:39] <foobarry> yesss got my screen protector on first go
[10:39] <foobarry> no bubbles or dust
[10:39] <foobarry> i get terrible OCD with bubbles under scren protectors
[10:40] <Myrtti> "We believe that we could have offered a better price for this item in our Black Friday Lightning Deals promotion. Therefore, we are refunding you £4.00 in relation to your order."
[10:40] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Do it in the bathroom after having a shower. The steam will take the dust out of the air.
[10:40] <Myrtti> "ok"
[10:40] <foobarry> TwistedLucidity: yes but i'm impatient too
[10:40] <bigcalm> Myrtti: Amazon are weirdly nice like that sometimes
[10:40] <foobarry> its also the quality of your cleaning cloth (i have a poor one)
[10:40] <directhex> Myrtti, yeah, wife got that
[10:40] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Impatience and OCD...hardly a winning combination. :-)
[10:41] <directhex> Myrtti, for a netgear thingy
[10:41] <Myrtti> directhex: yeah, that's what I bought too
[10:41] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: "We deliberately charged more than we strictly needed to in order to issue these refunds and get some sweet, sweet PR."
[10:42] <directhex> Myrtti, *astonishingly*, it works well
[10:42] <TwistedLucidity> Cynical, me?
[10:42] <Myrtti> we haven't even plugged ours in yet
[10:43] <Myrtti> bought it mainly for garden / raspi use
[10:43] <diplo> Anyone recommend a cheapish router that I can run openwrt on ? I'm not the most flush person at the mo
[10:45] <foobarry> do yo *need* one?
[10:45] <directhex> Myrtti, i get 2 bars in the bedroom from the homehub, but irc & web pages start timing out silently dozens of times a day. no problem at all since using the netgear ext thingy
[10:46] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: I've got a Buffalo unit that runs DD-WRT (so openWRT should work too). Only real negative against it is how the Ethernet ports are bridged; can't separate traffic. Cost about £80.
[10:46] <diplo> Well I'd like something more configurable than the sky ones
[10:46] <diplo> DD-WRT is ok for me
[10:47] <diplo> OpenWRT was the first on mind, the sky router I have is rubbish and wanted to try something that I can control more.
[10:49] <Myrtti> I feel like it's time for a reminder of "do not buy belkin network gear" - even when belkin can't be flashed with openwrt/ddwrt
[10:49] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: I have a Buffalo AirStation NFINITI: WZR-HP-AG300H-EU. As I said, the only thing I can't seem to do is separate traffic by physical port; so hard to have "work" and "play" networks.
[10:50] <TwistedLucidity> But then I'm pretty crap at networking.
[10:50] <foobarry> asus do a cheapish one
[10:51] <foobarry> its on the ddwrt wiki or maybe the openwrt wiki
[10:51] <diplo> OK great, will take a look thanks
[10:51] <diplo> Looking on there now foobarry, downside is so many that I can't see price simply without checking
[10:52]  * popey hugs his Netgear WNDRs running dd-wrt and openwrt
[10:55] <foobarry> http://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=wlanrout&xf=758_OpenWrt&sort=p
[10:55] <kiran> hello
[10:55] <kiran> anyone to help me
[10:55] <kiran> E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf:3: Extra junk at end of file
[10:56] <jussi> anyone here know if there is similar things to this but for the UK? http://www.eezy.fi/english
[10:56] <Guest33366> i have above error while using apt-get
[10:56] <Guest33366> E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf:3: Extra junk at end of file
[10:56] <diplo> Some cheap ones there foobarry  :)
[10:56] <Guest33366> but syntax is correct
[10:57] <Guest33366> i used ":" at the end but dont know why the error
[10:57] <diplo> Not sure I could help Guest33366 but probably worth paste binning the config
[10:57] <popey> Guest33366: pastebin your /etc/apt/apt.conf ?
[10:57] <foobarry> yeah diplo, much cheaper than i expected
[10:58] <Guest33366> Acquire::http::proxy“http://123070063:password@netmon.iitb.ac.in:80/”
[10:59] <diplo> Those would do until I'm a little more flush next year
[10:59] <Guest33366> this is the content of /etc/apt/apt.conf
[11:00] <dvrr> haiiiiiiiiiii
[11:00] <popey> Guest33366: those quotes look wrong
[11:00] <popey> like smart unicode quotes
[11:00] <Guest33366> popey: what wrong
[11:01] <popey> also you probably need a space after "proxy"
[11:01] <popey> “ and ”  look wrong
[11:01] <popey> did you copy and paste directly from the file to here?
[11:01] <Guest33366> this is what suggested in many pages
[11:01] <popey> they should be "
[11:01] <popey> which is a different character
[11:01] <Guest33366> i also used semicolon at the end
[11:01] <Guest33366> yes
[11:02] <popey> just edit the file, remove the smart quotes and replace them with normal " quotes from your keyboard
[11:02] <popey> you probably copy/pasted that content from a wordpress blog which tries to be clever and makes the quotes look like that
[11:02] <Guest33366> okay i l try that
[11:03] <directhex> definitely smart quotes to blame
[11:03] <TwistedLucidity> Smart quotes in code exmaples are one of my pet hates. Makes me think "What did you draft this in? MS Word? Moron."
[11:04] <Guest33366> thank you very much popey
[11:04] <popey> np
[11:04] <popey> foobarry: airfix/hornby reminder
[11:05] <foobarry> thanks popey
[11:06] <foobarry> i "know" some people who won stuff last year
[11:06] <foobarry> no idea how many entries they get
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> 4
[11:07] <foobarry> if they appear on moneysaving expert then loads i expect
[11:08] <foobarry> getting a cromwell tank for xmas
[11:12] <dvrr> Tue Dec 03 15:05:50 2013 Initialization Sequence Completed With Errors ( see http://openvpn.net/faq.html#dhcpclientserv )     i recived this problem  openvpn please tel me how to resolve
[11:13] <dvrr>  MANAGEMENT: >STATE:1386063350,CONNECTED,ERROR,192.1680.1,<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> dvrr: it tells you where to look for a solution
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> dvrr: also, note the missing "." in <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:14] <directhex> yeah, that looks wron
[11:14] <directhex> g
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> (your log line has 192.1680.1)
[11:14] <popey> ooh, virgin smartcall.. never heard of that before
[11:14] <popey> thanks marketing mail from virgin
[11:15] <dvrr>  MANAGEMENT: >STATE:1386063350,CONNECTED,ERROR,<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:15] <davmor2> popey: yeah it just means that virgin spy on you through your webcam and only allow calls when you're not busy ;)
[11:15] <foobarry> anyone used the o2 voip/sip service?
[11:16] <TwistedLucidity> popey: "smartcall"? I is also Virgin customer, but don't get their mail (other than continual notifications of price hikes).
[11:16] <popey> it was in that mail about price hikes that I just read about it
[11:16] <dvrr>  MartijnVdS : no sorry my log line MANAGEMENT: >STATE:1386063350,CONNECTED,ERROR,<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> dvrr: I think you should look at that link in the first error message
[11:18] <MartijnVdS> dvrr: the openvpn site has a *lot* of good documentation
[11:18] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity, popey: I got it  too, the only thing is I get free calls on my mobile to any number so it's actually cheaper to use my mobile :D
[11:19] <popey> i have another use case for it ☻
[11:19] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: If I ever have spare time, I think investing it in Asterisk (or similar) and a SIP service might be good. Virign's call charges are extortionate.
[11:19] <dogmatic69> popey:  That virgin smartcall seems to be like facetime
[11:19] <popey> not at all
[11:20] <dogmatic69> facetime uses wifi for calls when available, to other apples only though
[11:20] <popey> exactly, so not like that at all ☻
[11:21] <dogmatic69> same thing but different limits.
[11:22] <davmor2> dogmatic69: all calls on virgin are basically routed in the same way as their internet is, so it's just using the internet to connect to the landline effectively.
[11:22] <TwistedLucidity> Now deeply worried about what "use case" popey might have in mind for such a service.....
[11:22] <popey> it lets you make *phone* calls
[11:22] <foobarry> TwistedLucidity: are you usually know by another nick?
[11:22] <popey> its basically a sip client
[11:23] <popey> so nothing like facetime which is a person to person video chat locked into one manufacturer
[11:23] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: No, I am always me. Unless something has gone wrong....
[11:23] <TwistedLucidity> Or some sod is imitating me....
[11:24]  * popey suspect foobarry thinks TwistedLucidity is the guy who was banned yesterday by DJones
[11:24] <foobarry> heh
[11:24] <foobarry> i didn't but now i do
[11:24] <popey> smartcall is useful for making calls from abroad via wifi.
[11:24] <davmor2> popey: when DJones kicks people are they put in his locker?
[11:25] <popey> ☻
[11:25] <popey> Sent to the bottom of the deep blue IRC
[11:25] <foobarry> groan
[11:25] <davmor2> popey: Wait what IBM have irc
[11:25] <popey> ☻
[11:25] <TwistedLucidity> Serious question: Anyone made Bumblebee and nouveau work together? Got the proprietary drivers to work OK(ish, slow though). But not nouveau.
[11:26] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: are you on Saucy?
[11:26] <TwistedLucidity> Get some libdrm version error gubbins.
[11:26] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Yes, Kubuntu 13.10 64bit to be precise.
[11:27] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: you just need nvidia-319 and nvidia-prime no need for bumblebee
[11:27] <TwistedLucidity> Got that to work OK. But wanted to try nouveau, so I purged the proprietary nvidia stuff.
[11:27] <TwistedLucidity> Wanted to see if the GPL-only kernel calls had any effect.
[11:28] <TwistedLucidity> But I just get: [XORG] (EE) NOUVEAU(0): [drm] failed to set drm interface version.
[11:29] <TwistedLucidity> Full details here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2191257
[11:29] <davmor2> yeah bumblebee is really targeted at nvidia not so much nouveau, however nvidia have as I understand it started to work with the nouveau guys and I believe there is an experimental version of nouveau that supports optimus iirc
[11:30] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Ooooo, freakin' awesome news. That with kernel 3.12 might be a goer y'think?
[11:30] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: let me double check I'm sure I saw it though
[11:31] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/Optimus/
[11:34] <davmor2> Yay I knew something \o/
[11:37] <TwistedLucidity> Thanks davmor2, I think I now have a Chrimbo project
[11:37] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: yw
[11:37] <TwistedLucidity> I had stumbled across "Switcheroo" but for some reason thought it was old-hat (Optimus vs Primus)
[11:40] <TwistedLucidity> Hmm...I have Intel wired to internal panel, nvidia wire to DVI-out. It is possible to marshal the nvidia output across to the panel (two X servers) and, from what I understand, it's that kind of trickery that's a bit sucky.
[11:43] <MooDoo> hello again, back from the dentist
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: and?
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: damage? ;)
[11:47] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: all ook :)
[11:47] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: Ook!
[11:47] <MooDoo> lol typo
[11:50] <popey> brother just popped round with a little samsung phone he got free with a tablet
[11:50] <popey> quite nice little handset, much better than the big-ass phablet things
[11:52] <davmor2> MooDoo: your the back of a dentist :D
[11:52] <MooDoo> davmor2: smarty pants :p
[12:07]  * popey stabs mesa and stuff
[12:07] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6519389/
[12:07] <popey> libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast
[12:07] <popey> when i load steam it keeps pointing me to https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9938-EYZB-7457
[12:09] <popey> and when i try and run games I get a dialog which says "Could not find required OpenGL entry point 'glGetError'! Either your video card is unsupported, or your OpenGL driver needs to be updated"
[12:09]  * popey tickles directhex ☻
[12:10] <davmor2> popey: hang on I understand stabbing mesa, but what the hell did stuff do to deserve getting stabbed ;)
[12:11] <popey> it was in the area at the time
[12:12] <davmor2> popey: I'm just glad the cats weren't, I'll be keeping my eye on you and ringing the RSPCA the minute I thing they are in danger :D
[12:12] <foobarry> whats the best way to get a web page to rotate the pictures that it shows? some javascript malarkey?
[12:12] <davmor2> s/thing/think
[12:12] <foobarry> i need it for a dashboard display
[12:14] <davmor2> foobarry: to be honest dashboards don't make for good displays, windscreens are way better :)  On a more serious note can't html5/css cover rotation?
[12:15] <foobarry> maybe, i dunno?
[12:15] <foobarry> wanna rotate 3 pages or so
[12:21] <SuperMatt> how does one find out what filesystem is on a partition from the command line?
[12:21] <foobarry> the mount command
[12:21] <dwatkins> SuperMatt: one that's already mounted? mount
[12:21] <DJones> Hmmh, Sky Go Tablet released for pretty much all unrooted tablets (excluding Transformer TF101 & Kindle devices)
[12:21] <SuperMatt> it's not mouted
[12:21] <SuperMatt> *mounted
[12:22] <dwatkins> SuperMatt: otherwise, you could examine the first few bytes of it, I'm sure there's a diagnostic command which does this such as fsck.
[12:22] <dwatkins> back later, lunchtime
[12:23] <popey> blkid
[12:24] <SuperMatt> so just blkid /dev/blah?
[12:25] <popey> https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Deployment_Guide/s2-sysinfo-filesystems-blkid.html
[12:28] <SuperMatt> thanks popeypants
[12:43] <BigRedS> Ooh, that's a thing I've meant to look up before
[12:43] <BigRedS> handy
[12:51] <directhex> popey, sounds like a fried 32-bit opengl install
[12:58] <TwistedLucidity> It's 2013...why is so much stuff still locked into 32bit?
[12:58] <MooDoo> coz no one knows how to deal with 64bit yet
[12:58] <MooDoo> give it 10 years :)
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ @ MooDoo
[12:58] <popey> directhex: something specific I can uninstall / reinstall /purge perhaps?
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> TwistedLucidity: Because Windows is mostly mixed (lots of 32-bit Win7 installs and XP still out there, it's easier to just provide one 32bit installer)
[12:59] <directhex> popey, which 3d driver?
[12:59] <popey> nvidia
[12:59] <popey> 319
[13:00] <MooDoo> wow AlanBell I see the pi project is getting well funded :D
[13:01] <TwistedLucidity> nvidia-319 reinstall?
[13:01] <popey> tried that
[13:01] <TwistedLucidity> Oh, and nvidia-219-updates, nvidia-settings-319-updates etc
[13:02] <popey> it's something else, as directhex suggests, a 32-bit lib or something
[13:02] <TwistedLucidity> And you are on 64bit?
[13:02] <popey> yes
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> try refreshing libgl1-mesa-dri:i386
[13:03] <TwistedLucidity> Force the 32bit install. sudo apt-get install thingy:i386
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> that package contains 2 .so files with "swrast" in the name
[13:03] <directhex> popey, the 64-bit nvidia-319 package includes both 32 and 64-bit libraries. following others' instructions is likely ging to break it harder
[13:05] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6519622/
[13:05] <popey> every 32-bit package I have installed
[13:06] <directhex> booting my desktop, to cross-check again
[13:06] <directhex> st
[13:06] <directhex> popey, run this: "sudo update-alternatives --config i386-linux-gnu_gl_conf"
[13:06] <popey> * 0            /usr/lib/nvidia-319-updates/alt_ld.so.conf   8602      auto mode 1            /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/ld.so.conf      500       manual mode 2            /usr/lib/nvidia-319-updates/alt_ld.so.conf   8602      manual mode
[13:07] <popey> oof
[13:07] <popey> sorry
[13:07] <directhex> hm, so it's set to use nvidia there
[13:07] <dwatkins> I looked at the sun and now have a big green blob in front of my vision #RareBritishProblems
[13:07] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: stop looking at The Sun then
[13:07] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: it just appeared in-between the window blinds
[13:07] <dwatkins> I'm not used to the sky being clear.
[13:08] <foobarry> clear grey
[13:08] <directhex> popey, nothing to lose from just doing an apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-319-updates, to force reinstallation of possibly corrupt files
[13:08] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6519638/
[13:08] <popey> yeah, did that earlier
[13:09] <popey> when I run steam now, it asks me to install libgl1-mesa-dri:i386
[13:09] <popey> if I press ctrl-c, i can open steam and all is fine, but it prompts me to install that every time
[13:09] <popey> (I removed it)
[13:09] <dwatkins> does it tell you how (for the non-advanced users), popey?
[13:10] <directhex> popey, ok, permit it. your nvidia package should stop mesa from taking over the opengl library
[13:10] <popey> ok
[13:10] <directhex> libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 and libgl1-mesa-glx:i386
[13:10] <popey> install both of those?
[13:10] <popey> Suggested packages: libglide3:i386
[13:11] <popey> OpenGL GLX context is not using direct rendering, which may cause performance problems.
[13:11] <popey> For more information visit https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9938-EYZB-7457.
[13:11] <popey> still getting that popup
[13:11] <popey> libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast
[13:11] <popey> libGL error: Try again with LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose for more details.
[13:11] <popey> all that in the steam startup console
[13:11] <directhex> popey, you installed those packages & restarted steam?
[13:11] <popey> yes
[13:11] <foobarry> tries running steam
[13:12] <foobarry> only 210MB of updates :-|
[13:12] <popey> directhex: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6519651/
[13:14] <directhex> find ~/.local/share/Steam/ -name libGL.so
[13:14] <directhex> er
[13:14] <directhex> find ~/.local/share/Steam/ -name libGL.so\*
[13:14] <popey> 4 of them
[13:14] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6519660/
[13:15]  * foobarry realises he has a lot of games he never played
[13:16] <directhex> popey, ldd ~/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam
[13:16] <directhex> no, wait, that's no use
[13:16] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6519665/
[13:16] <directhex> which games do you have installed?
[13:16] <popey> lots
[13:18] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6519671/
[13:18] <directhex> can you run ldd on a game binary? e.g. ldd ~/.local/share/Steam/SteamApps/common/Super\ Hexagon/x86/superhexagon.x86
[13:18] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6519675/
[13:19] <directhex> OK, so we see the problem
[13:19] <directhex> now i wonder why it's happening
[13:19] <popey> libglut and friends?
[13:19] <directhex> cat /etc/ld.so.conf
[13:20] <popey> include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf
[13:20] <foobarry>  Valve have joined the Linux Foundation.
[13:20] <directhex> cat /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*
[13:20] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6519681/
[13:20] <directhex> popey, hm. one of those is bad.
[13:21] <directhex> popey, grep mesa /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*
[13:22] <popey> /etc/ld.so.conf.d/steam.conf:/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa
[13:22] <popey> /etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu_EGL.conf:/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mesa-egl
[13:22] <directhex> popey, ok, so that steam.conf i have never seen before, is what broke it
[13:23] <directhex> popey, delete that, problem fixed
[13:24] <popey> do i need to update anything?
[13:24] <popey> ld something?
[13:25] <directhex> sudo ldconfig
[13:25] <popey> \o/
[13:25] <directhex> dpkg -S etc/ld.so.conf.d/steam.conf ?
[13:26] <directhex> i.e. which package created that faulty file?
[13:26] <dwatkins> I couldn't find the user thing in Windows Server's control panel, and my first thought was "I'll just do it from the command line... oh wait." *sadface*
[13:26] <popey> nothing found
[13:26] <popey> thank you directhex, that's been bugging me for ages
[13:27] <popey> wonder if ye-olde steam beta did it
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> popey: you had one of the first betas, right?
[13:27] <popey> yes
[13:27] <popey> could be that i followed some guide from steamcommunity to fix it before asking you
[13:28] <popey> http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/1/846939071105489121 looks plausible
[13:30] <popey> opened Garrysmod to test it, worked fine
[13:34] <popey> directhex: you have a ps vita?
[13:34] <directhex> popey, i do not. we got a 3ds for xmas though
[13:34] <popey> ah
[13:34] <popey> just saw psvita games on your amazon wishlist
[13:35] <directhex> that would be an awkward state to end up in wouldn't it
[13:35] <popey> indeed
[13:41] <MooDoo> directhex: i bought  my son the 2ds for christmas
[13:42] <popey> thats a bizarre device
[13:42] <MooDoo> popey: i saw a tae apart video for it, one huge screen...
[13:42] <MooDoo> take
[13:42] <popey> yeah
[13:42] <directhex> MooDoo, wife and i have always played the Ace Attorney series together, and AA5 is for 3DS only...
[13:43] <MooDoo> directhex: I can't watch 3d and my son wouldn't like it
[13:43] <directhex> MooDoo, 3ds vs 2ds is mostly a cost decision. we got a 3ds xl with mario kart 7 for £130 in the amazon sales
[13:44] <MooDoo> directhex: isn't the 2ds just a 3ds without the 3d and the ability to fold the clamshell?
[13:44] <popey> mono speaker
[13:44] <popey> harder to reach controls
[13:45] <directhex> all of the above
[13:45] <directhex> hard to fold a single LCD in half
[13:45] <popey> heh
[13:45] <Azelphur> Finally, they are fixing USB http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/4/5173686/usb-type-c-connector-specification-announced \o/
[13:45] <Azelphur> No more 4th dimensional plugs.
[13:47] <popey> right. so when I bitched about usb and said we should move to thunderbolt or similar everyone rounded on me
[13:47] <popey> and now they're making a new connector (like thunderbolt) which isn't backwards compatible (like thunderbolt) and is reversible (like thunderbolt) its all good
[13:48]  * Azelphur shrugs
[13:48] <TwistedLucidity> Well....that's a really annoying bug in Inkscape. If an item has a stroke colour *and* it is really small, Inskscape refuses to print it even though it's clearly visible. You have to remove the stroke colour, which can mess up the diagram.
[13:50]  * TwistedLucidity buys shares in USB adapter OEMs
[13:52] <directhex> popey, thunderbolt's implementation is zany. the plugs are not 180-degree rotationally symmetrical. a small processor in the plug itself decides how to do the pin-out depending on which way up the plug is
[13:53] <popey> there is that too
[14:01] <directhex> also the DRM coprocessor in the plug
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> also, the super-expensive cables
[14:03] <MartijnVdS> (mostly a result of those chips)
[14:07] <shauno> just trying to put php5 on Arch makes me very, very grateful for the debian layout of exploding the apache config in 500 files
[14:20] <foobarry> i just crashed steam by clicking that big picture moed
[14:20] <dwatkins> don't click it, then ;)
[14:21] <MooDoo> lol
[14:22] <directhex> crash reports are uploaded when you start steam
[14:26] <foobarry> visible to user?
[14:26] <foobarry> i don't see anything
[14:26] <foobarry> its repeatable
[14:30] <foobarry> is it complete garbage the idea that headphones need "bedding in"?
[14:30] <foobarry> like breaking in a pair of shoes
[14:30] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: not that I've heard
[14:33] <foobarry> read it in a review, i think its bunk
[14:33] <foobarry> also read from a different person that taken the badges off the sennheisers improved the bass :D
[14:33] <foobarry> "owever removing the silver senn badges from either side released an absolute beast hiding in them. The bass is punchy, deep (very VERY deep), and nicely shaped and does not take over the stage. The stage is increased by the removal as well. Sadly the the bass is slightly more sibilant at times, but hey it's £16!! I should imagine padding the inside of the badge piece would have a similar effect as removing them, the idea is to stop echoin
[14:34] <dwatkins> I can't remember the last time I bought a new pair of headphones.
[14:35] <foobarry> wifey getting me some cheap sennheisers for xmas
[14:35] <MooDoo> i need a new pair, only one side of mine works currently
[14:35] <foobarry> MooDoo: need a cheap pair?
[14:35] <shauno> I got mine at an airport when I discovered the rubber thingies had gone missing from the pair I was travelling with
[14:35] <MooDoo> foobarry: i've got some of them now, they are ace
[14:35] <MooDoo> foobarry: nah! I'll cope with what I have for now :D but thanks :D
[14:35] <shauno> iirc the pair before that were an airport emergency too
[14:36] <foobarry> i just need something comfy to block noise from upstairs offices
[14:36] <foobarry> i sit below a theatre hall and scrape shuffle plonk ORCHESTRA scuffle scrap clap all day long
[14:39] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Sounds (groan) like you want som noise cancelling headphones
[14:39] <dwatkins> noise cancellation works best with "regular" (i.e. predictable) noise
[14:39] <MartijnVdS> TwistedLucidity: those work best on "regular" noise, like air conditioning units, etc.
[14:40] <MartijnVdS> TwistedLucidity: car engines
[14:40] <foobarry> sounds like someone is hitting a pipe with a hammer atm
[14:40] <foobarry> then 100 chairs shuffle
[14:41] <foobarry> makes you tired on days like this
[14:41] <arsen> hm, just installing 13.10 desktop on some new hardware, i seem to just get a black screen with cursor but no GDM/desktop.
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> arsen: shiny :)
[14:42] <arsen> hopefully, but pretty dull at the moment... nice new haswell aint much use right now lol.
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> arsen: what kind of hardware is it?
[14:44] <arsen> suspect it doesnt like my new GPUs, AMD 7970's
[14:49] <arsen> nomodeset is your friend. :)
[14:50] <MartijnVdS> ah, I don't buy AMD :)
[14:57] <popey> +1000
[14:58] <TwistedLucidity> MartijnVdS People are claiming AMD >>> nvidia. Certainly for lappies
[14:59] <MartijnVdS> TwistedLucidity: I have all-intel
[14:59] <MartijnVdS> * > nvidia :)
[14:59] <MartijnVdS> (at least wrt. driver hassle)
[14:59] <TwistedLucidity> MartijnVdS: BURN THE HERETIC (even though yer correct)
[15:05] <foobarry> giffgaff payback time
[15:06] <foobarry> i think i've reached the end of the road with giffgaff recruitment
[15:06] <foobarry> friend of mine chose to pay £27 per month with o2 instead even though he doesn't make phone calls
[15:07] <foobarry> people aren't interseted cos they think they know best
[15:11] <shauno> Any clues how I get sudo to obey /etc/environment ?
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> shauno: sudo -s instead of -i ? sudo -H ?
[15:12] <MartijnVdS> shauno: or check /etc/pam.d
[15:12] <MartijnVdS> shauno: and compare sudo to.. say.. su or ssh ?
[15:12] <MartijnVdS> one that works :)
[15:12] <shauno> this is meant to work.  but it's all horribly broken :(
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> shauno: sudo -E -> preserve environment
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> shauno: -H -> set $HOME to target user's home
[15:13] <shauno> yeah that one I've found, causes more problems
[15:13] <shauno> I just want to persist http_proxy.  but setting it in env_keep doesn't, setting it in /etc/environment doesn't, etc
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> !xy
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> ;)
[15:18] <shauno> I'd love to force devs to work from behind a proxy for one day a week, just so they can find out how horribly they handle them
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> I'd love to ban proxies
[15:21] <foobarry> did anyone read the graphene article in the guardian
[15:22] <foobarry> i have an argument with my friend whether there's scope for a olne genius in his shed anymore
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> olne?
[15:24] <foobarry> lone
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> https://www.google.nl/maps/preview#!q=olne ?
[15:25] <foobarry> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGEqWzw8A9g#t=12 happiest penguin ever
[15:25] <foobarry> SNOW SNOW SNOW SNOW
[15:25] <foobarry> others: yeah, seen it
[15:26] <bashrc> snow in winter?  It'll never happen
[15:27] <popey> http://www.fastcodesign.com/3021230/apple-its-time-to-nuke-the-iphones-red-battery-alert
[15:27] <popey> thats fun
[15:30] <shauno> I always laugh when my laptop does that.  it goes red at 10%, warning me that there's only an hour left
[15:33] <foobarry> my laptop dies before it gets a chance to go red
[16:12] <ali1234> shauno: proxy, 1GB ram, intel graphics, no windows key
[17:00] <arc__> Hello
[17:18] <arc__> How do i connect to a vnc on ubuntu 12.04 lts
[17:19] <popey> you want to remotely control a 12.04 system?
[17:19] <arc__> No
[17:20] <popey> i dont understand what you want then ☻
[17:20] <arc__> I want tok control my mac that has vnc via my linux lap
[17:20] <popey> ah ok
[17:20] <arc__> :)
[17:20] <popey> 12.04 ships with a vnc client i believe
[17:21] <arc__> So how do i access it or use it
[17:22] <popey> open the dash and type vnc ?
[17:23] <arc__> I have gnome enabled
[17:23] <popey> not unity?
[17:23] <popey> ok, so somewhere in the menu there may be a remote control app, otherwise you can find one in ubuntu software center
[17:24] <arc__> Too slow
[17:24] <popey> what's too slow?
[17:24] <arc__> Unity
[17:24] <popey> ah
[17:24] <popey> ok
[17:24] <arc__> There is no remote control app
[17:25] <arc__> But i can connect my lap vnc via my mac
[17:25] <arc__> Rdp
[17:25] <popey> yes, hence I said search for vnc in ubuntu software centre?
[17:25] <directhex> "vinagre"
[17:25] <popey> thats the one
[17:25] <directhex> that's the easiest package for what you want
[17:29] <arc__> Kk
[18:40] <arc__> I have a mac and a Linux laptop what is the best on to make into a local file server
[19:55] <AlanBell> evening all
[21:07] <foobarry> bruce almighty is pretty much the same as the mask
[21:08]  * MartijnVdS considers upgrading to trusty
[21:09] <foobarry> MartijnVdS: don't
[21:09] <foobarry> i tried t'other day
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> why not?
[21:09] <foobarry> didn't work too well
[21:09] <foobarry> i.e. logging out
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> who logs out?
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> weird man! ;)
[21:09] <foobarry> had lightdm, unity , X issues trying to get back in
[21:10] <ali1234> foobarry: that's fixed
[21:10] <ali1234> i fixed it
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> \o/ ali1234
[21:10] <foobarry> from the 30 nov build?
[21:10] <ali1234> bug 1256150
[21:10] <foobarry> \o;
[21:10] <ali1234> i dunno if the fix is packaged yet
[21:10] <foobarry> i mean \o/
[21:11] <foobarry> \o; looks like saturday night fever
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> Or a non-functioning arm
[21:12] <foobarry> hand on hip
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> wut.. apache segv'd?!
[21:13] <foobarry> i tried out the disabling of global menu in trusty
[21:14] <MartijnVdS> and?
[21:14] <foobarry> sort of worked but the aforementioned bug stopped me testing properly
[21:15] <foobarry> i.e. it worked once but not twice
[22:56] <directhex> marketing /o\ http://kotaku.com/nintendos-new-wii-u-commercials-ignore-the-consoles-b-1476637030
[23:28] <popey> directhex: you have a wii u?
[23:29] <AlanBell> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu/x/5206923 so close :)
[23:30] <popey> yeah!
[23:32] <popey> you should tweet that ☻
[23:32] <zleap> we are building a pi cluster at the next exeter lug meet
[23:32] <zleap> just generally not to run ubuntu
[23:34] <ali1234> AlanBell: you spelled my name wrong
[23:35] <ali1234> i wouldn't care but it's the part that is in my nick
[23:37] <ala1234> also it came out closer to 0.3 than 0.4
[23:41]  * popey attempts to make a chimney sweep brush using his 3doodler
[23:41] <popey> this could be fun
[23:42] <ala1234> hey popey, you know those glasses you posted on g+, did you make them "flat" in 3 parts and then stick them together?
[23:43] <popey> yes
[23:43] <ala1234> cos they look very flat
[23:43] <popey> single layer
[23:45] <popey> only took about 30 mins all told
[23:46] <ala1234> nice
[23:46]  * AlanBell fixes Alistair's spelling :)
[23:46] <ali1234> yay
[23:47] <AlanBell> sorry about that, I am normally quite careful with names
[23:47] <ali1234> i don't mind - everyone spells it wrong
[23:47] <ali1234> in a variety of ways
[23:48] <ali1234> the package is apparently in the UK already btw
[23:48] <AlanBell> gosh, that was fast