[11:21] <brother_of_jared> ok did that..
[11:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> gn0me: don't think so. (but I'm not sure)
[11:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> brother_of_jared: did it work again?
[11:21] <gn0me> Kamping_Kaiser: Yeah, I didn't figure there is.. but it would be nice. :D
[11:21] <puptent> OK...Ubuntu is on one drive, XPee is on the other. XP is on it's own partition, I'm trying to access the second partition on that drive with media files. How do I do that?
[11:21] <vanden> Kamping_Kaiser and Amaranth: I couldn't leave it. Some progress. Following /etc/environment 's reference to "en_CA" I found /usr/share/i18n/locales/en_CA where the formats are all defined.
[11:22] <brother_of_jared> ITS ALIVE (again)!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:22] <vanden> Unfortunately, as the defs are all like: d_fmt       "<U0025><U0064><U002F><U0025><U006D><U002F><U0025><U0079>"  this *is* going to take some actual research. Thought you guys might like to know. Thanks again. Night
[11:22] <omac> I've got it working....it helped to have a test user called "echo123" out there which actually echoes everything you say in your mic and whatever else you capture for example a www.starbase479.com stream broadcasting a audiobook of HitchHiker's guide to the galaxy.
[11:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> gn0me: you may want to look around, but i don't know of a way
[11:22] <brother_of_jared> mwah-ha-ha-ha-haaaaaaaa *cough*
[11:22] <Amaranth> vanden: That's unicode. :)
[11:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> brother_of_jared: woot
[11:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb Hobbsee
[11:22] <HeartBT> gn0me, I was unable to get metracity to do that.  but there are some scripts at gnome hacks.
[11:22] <Hobbsee> ty Kamping_Kaiser
[11:22] <HeartBT> gn0me, they may have one.
[11:22] <omac> The <U00... stuff you see is Wide Character Unicode.
[11:22] <vanden> Amaranth: this I knew. what exactly I'm to do with it, on the other hand . . . .
[11:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> np Hobbsee
[11:23] <nmsa> 'morning
[11:24] <brother_of_jared> I just asked my Wife "Would you consider switching to this Ubuntu?"
[11:24] <mrkoje> brother_of_jared,  what did she say?
[11:24] <HeartBT> brother_of_jared, and how did that go?
[11:24] <brother_of_jared> Answer: "We borrowed the computer so I can't its not ours."
[11:24] <brother_of_jared> "What if we got permission?"
[11:24] <puptent> brother_of_jarad: in under 24hrs I've got my girlfriend ready to convert!
[11:24] <brother_of_jared> "I dunno maybe"
[11:25] <HeartBT> brother_of_jared, well, that's not a no!
[11:25] <brother_of_jared> Which is a YES
[11:25] <niffe> still, you gotta have permission :)
[11:25] <vanden> omac: thanks. 'Unicode' is a word that makes me think its time for bed :-)  (Linux noob)
[11:25] <omac> my bet is if you just open that text file in mozilla as an html file and view->encoding...try utf-8...I think you will see the contents more clearly.
[11:25] <puptent> It's always better to ask forgiveness than permission!
[11:25] <brother_of_jared> Falls in the same category of "So you want to go out?" "I dunno maybe" "Where to sweety"
[11:25] <HeartBT> niffe, really?  (perhaps that's why my wife left?)
[11:26] <brother_of_jared> Us men folk need to really understand two things.
[11:26] <niffe> HeartBT: go and talk to her, im not ur wife :)
[11:26] <niffe> or maybe i am..
[11:26] <brother_of_jared> First. Women are ALWAYS right.
[11:26] <HeartBT> niffe, uh, ..
[11:26] <niffe> yeah, but you can sensitively guide them
[11:27] <brother_of_jared> Second. Women have the last word in every argument, the very next thing we say.. is the start of the next argument.
[11:27] <HeartBT> brother_of_jared, YES THEY ARE!
[11:27] <HeartBT> ok she's gone.
[11:27] <puptent> Preach on, brother!
[11:27] <irvin> brother_of_jared: speaking from experience? :D
[11:27] <brother_of_jared> Once we grasp that.. we can safely hold our remotes in pride and govern the world in peace.
[11:27] <brother_of_jared> Irvin // yep
[11:27] <gn0me> man woman
[11:28] <gn0me> No manual entry for woman
[11:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> um blokes
[11:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> move to offtopic please
[11:29] <puptent> Anyone have an answer for me on hard drive recognition? Any ideas?
[11:29] <Hobbsee> brother_of_jared and HeartBT: you're aware that there are a fair few women in this room?
[11:29] <brother_of_jared> Hobbsee // I wasn't aware.
[11:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> puptent: can you repeat it, it got lost in the off topic conversation ;)
[11:30] <puptent> Sure
[11:30] <puptent> OK...Ubuntu is on one drive, XPee is on the other. XP is on it's own partition, I'm trying to access the second partition on that drive with media files. How do I do that?
[11:30] <HeartBT> Hobbsee, yes, I'm fairly certain that there must be.  there's too much gathered knowledge to not have a fair share of them.  all in jest.
[11:30] <Hobbsee> brother_of_jared and HeartBT: good
[11:30] <bjv> i would like to convert an avi into a mpeg2 video, so i installed gtranscode
[11:30] <puptent> btw...I'm a noooob.
[11:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> puptent: is it an ntfs partition? I'm not entirely sure of you layout
[11:31] <vanden> omac: Thanks for the suggestion; no joy. I'll have a poke at it with Python's unicode support and see what I can grok. Tomorrow :-) Thanks again.
[11:31] <bjv> but when i select an output codec i get an error about the plug ins not being configured?
[11:31] <bjv> apt-cache search transcode plug doesnt return them
[11:31] <puptent> Yes, the second partition on hda1 is ntfs. I know it will be read only.
[11:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubotu: tell puptent about ntfs
[11:32] <Madeye> guys  after resizing windows C:\ I   got grub error 17, what should I do ? I tried grub-install /dev/sda with rescue mode and I got  'the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly'
[11:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> k
[11:32] <Drgb> hi everyone, i have an iPod connected to my pc via usb. I'm using GNUpod to manage files on it, but every time i try to move, rename, add or delete a file on the ipod it says "iPod is a read-only device"
[11:32] <puptent> kamping...thank you!
[11:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> puptent: feel free to ask if you have more issues
[11:33] <brother_of_jared> I gotta run floks..
[11:33] <brother_of_jared> folks even
[11:33] <brother_of_jared> Thanks again!!!!!
[11:33] <Drgb> i need to set my ipod read-write, but mount doesn't do it, i've tried lots of times
[11:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> later brother_of_jared :)
[11:33] <Drgb> can you help me?
[11:33] <korpt> yeah
[11:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: I'm having a look for what error 17 is
[11:34] <korpt> Drgb try /q ipod chmod
[11:34] <korpt> even in mirc.
[11:34] <Drgb> erm, it's on another machine
[11:34] <korpt> ohh k
[11:34] <korpt> sorry
[11:34] <Drgb> what should I do?
[11:35] <korpt> hang yourself :O
[11:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Stage2-errors.html
[11:35] <Drgb> korpt, what?
[11:35] <korpt> lol nuffin.
[11:35] <bjv> [transcode]  warning : /usr/lib/transcode/import_ffmpeg.so: undefined symbol: dts_init
[11:35] <bjv> Loading video import module failed
[11:35] <bjv> Did you enable this module when you ran configure?
[11:35] <bjv> [transcode]  failed to init import modules
[11:35] <bjv> [transcode]  critical: plug-in initialization failed
[11:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> grub doesnt recognise the filesystem
[11:35] <korpt> well
[11:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> nto sure if that means your ntfs or ubuntu partition though
[11:35] <korpt> someone help Drgb
[11:35] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser, hmm and How to fix that ?
[11:36] <bjv> transcode was configured before it was compiled for the package
[11:36] <bjv> how on earth am i supposed to know what modules were enabled?
[11:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> Drgb: can you make files using nautilus/terminal?
[11:36] <shad0w1e> anyone here familiar with shoutcast server?
[11:36] <Drgb> Kamping_Kaiser, no
[11:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: check your file systems are ok (live cd would be good)
[11:36] <Drgb> i can't
[11:37] <sexcopter8000m> hello and merry christmas all! I'm trying to connect my laptop (running breezy) to the net via my parents' pc (running xp). How should I set up the NICs (what ip, gateway ip etc)?
[11:37] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser,  the point is i don't know how to check, and what to check, I have already booted using liveCD now
[11:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> Drgb: can you run `mount |grep sd` and pastebin it/pm it to me
[11:37] <Drgb> Kamping_Kaiser, sure
[11:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: try and mount the filesystem on the live cd (hoary live or Breezy btw?)
[11:37] <sexcopter8000m> is the gateway ip the ip of the NIC that the laptop is connected to, or the NIC from the xp box to the modem?
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> sexcopter8000m: set the xp box to be the gateway
[11:38] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser,  breezy
[11:38] <sexcopter8000m> Kamping_Kaiser, but there are two NICs in the xp box, which one?
[11:38] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser,  mounted to /mnt/ubuntu
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: oh, ok. IIRC there was issues with breezylive, but ok
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: and it's readable?
[11:38] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser,  yes readable
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> sexcopter8000m: i cant help with xp problems
[11:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: what about your xp partition?
[11:39] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser,  do you want me to mount it ?
[11:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: try yes, i suspect your ntfs partition is dammaged
[11:40] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser,  I don't care about if XP is damaged or not, I want to get into ubuntu
[11:40] <bjv> [transcode]  warning : /usr/lib/transcode/import_ffmpeg.so: undefined symbol: dts_init
[11:40] <bjv> im going to:  sudo apt-get install libdts-dev
[11:40] <bjv> just a guess.. am i on the right track?
[11:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: in that case your quickest path may be to format your xp partition again (reinstall it?) and then rescue grub
[11:40] <Drgb> /dev/sda2 on /media/ipod type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=winnt,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
[11:41] <Drgb> ops, sorry, it noticed just the 1st part
[11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[11:41] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser,  ok How to rescue grub?
[11:41] <Drgb> however, as you can see it looks mounted read-write
[11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell Madeye about grub
[11:42] <Hobbsee> !tell Madeye about restoregrub
[11:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> look at the second link Madeye
[11:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> Drgb: so i see
[11:42] <Hobbsee> ah ok, it's changed...
[11:42] <mrkoje> anyone know of some reasonably priced gigabit ethernet switches?
[11:42] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser,  thanks :-)
[11:42] <Madeye> i'll check now Kamping_Kaiser :-)
[11:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> Drgb: I'm not sure all those switches need to be there, but i cant be sure
[11:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> np Madeye. gl
[11:43] <Drgb> Kamping_Kaiser, what do you think i should try?
[11:43] <puptent> Kamping_Kaiser, that is exactly what I needed. Thanks a million!
[11:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> Drgb: just a mo
[11:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> puptent: no worries
[11:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> Drgb: run `umount /dev/sda2` for a start (may need to sudo
[11:44] <puptent> Everyone here is so helpful! I'm off to play with some new toys. Thanks again
[11:44] <ompaul> Drgb, that will need >>sudo umount /dev/sda2<<
[11:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> hang on. cant Dr just add 'user' to that line?
[11:46] <Drgb> Kamping_Kaiser, ok, i did it..
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> uid=1000,gid=1000 drop that and add `user`?
[11:46] <bjv> anyone here able to do it?
[11:46] <ompaul> Kamping_Kaiser,  yeap
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> bjv: looked in apt?
[11:46] <bjv> i just need any method that can be gotten to work from apt-
[11:46] <bjv> yeah, ive tried transcode and ffmpeg
[11:46] <ElllisD> I read somewhere that if i did a dist-upgrade from 5.04 to whatever's current then i had to change something first. Now i cant find where it said that.. anyone know what i have to do?
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> ompaul: i just realised when we said 'sudo to unmount your ipod' and i went wtf?
[11:47] <bjv> transcode almost worked, but failed with /usr/lib/transcode/import_ffmpeg.so: undefined symbol: dts_init
[11:47] <bjv> :\
[11:47] <ompaul> Kamping_Kaiser, the expression "there is that" comes to me
[11:47] <bjv> undefined symbol doesnt really sound like my fault, if it came from apt
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> Drgb: just a mo
[11:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> Drgb: try this `/dev/sda2 on /media/ipod type vfat(nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=winnt,user)`
[11:48] <Drgb> ok
[11:50] <mrkoje> Wow I just found a gigabit ethernet switch (unmanaged) for $29.00 . That seams like a deal to me
[11:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> wow
[11:50] <Drgb> Kamping_Kaiser, wow, it worked
[11:51] <Drgb> i don't understand, what was the wrong flag?
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> just a tick I'll explain
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> Drgb: what had been setup was that your user could view anything, but not write
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> as root was mounting it
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> we changed that so your user could r/w, and your good to go
[11:52] <SirKillalot2> I need more apps
[11:52] <Drgb> ok, thanks very much, but....it's not over yet, just a second :D
[11:52] <SirKillalot2> I want to test some new apps, help to quentch my thurst!
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> bugger eh SirKillalot2
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> Drgb: np
[11:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> keep them coming ;)
[11:53] <SirK> this sucks, i hate nickserv
[11:53] <ompaul> Caglar, try learning as much as you can about scripting in gimp today :-)
[11:53] <Drgb> Reading from filehandle failed at /usr/share/perl5/GNUpod/FooBar.pm line 300.
[11:53] <Drgb> ok, foobar, can you see it?
[11:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol ompaul
[11:53] <Drgb> it's an app to connect to ipod and check some files i think
[11:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> i don't have gnupod, so i wont have it
[11:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> Drgb: can you pastebin any errors?
[11:54] <Drgb> but, as you can see it fails on line 300
[11:54] <Drgb> that's the only error
[11:54] <Drgb> however, i looked into foobar.pm
[11:54] <Drgb> that line contained a md5::digest string
[11:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> Drgb: can you open a terminal, and launch gnupod from there pls?
[11:54] <Drgb> so i think that doesn't work
[11:55] <Drgb> Kamping_Kaiser, ehm....I can't "launch" it
[11:55] <Wilf> what...the hell...
[11:55] <Drgb> i can just do some things with it
[11:55] <Wilf> sound works fine through mozilla (macromedia flash)
[11:55] <Wilf> but not through anything else
[11:55] <Drgb> there's a different app for each thing you need to do
[11:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> Drgb: why cant you launch it?
[11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, ok
[11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> Drgb: can you pastebin anything you think might help working out the problem? like line 300? any other errors etc?
[11:56] <Drgb> however, i tried to apt-get install libmd5-perl
[11:56] <Drgb> okok, line300's here for you
[11:56] <ompaul> Drgb, http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:57] <paal> I have a small problem with gtkam. i have connected my camera, but when i try to download the pictures i get: Problem getting file.jpg from folder /dcim/106canon
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> paal: looks like an absolute url to me
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> try putting in /media/dcim/
[11:58] <paal> where?
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> and on my camera it's capials DCIM IIRC
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> (but i don't have it handy to check)
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> paal: can you see the pictures?
[11:58] <paal> yes
[11:58] <paal> but not download
[11:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> paal: can you get file info on the pictures? such as the path they think they are at?
[12:00] <lucasvo> is there any OS-licensed fonts archive?
[12:01] <paal> the pictures seem to be located in /dcim/106canon/
[12:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> lucasvo: in mutliverse thers the msttf
[12:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> paal: is that /media/ ?
[12:01] <lucasvo> Kamping_Kaiser: I don't want microsoft fonts, I wan't gpl fonts
[12:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh ok
[12:02] <paal> i dont know Kamping_Kaiser
[12:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> have a search around, I'm not sure luc
[12:02] <paal> thanks
[12:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> paal: try opening nautilus and browising to /meda/
[12:02] <Drgb> Kamping_Kaiser, i posted everuthing on pastebin.ubuntulinux-nl as "Drgb"
[12:02] <new2ubuntu> hello...was wondering if someone might be able to tell me if there is any type of workaround I might be able to try to get my modem working under linux?
[12:02] <Drgb> *everything
[12:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok Drgb
[12:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> new2ubuntu: you have 2 chances : bucklyes and none
[12:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> *buckleys
[12:03] <new2ubuntu> lol
[12:04] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser,  if I have /dev/sda3 ext3 and sd4 swap then my boot inside sda3?
[12:04] <irvin> new2ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[12:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: grub goes on the mbr, then points to where ever it's pointed, did you do a default install?
[12:04] <irvin> !help
[12:05] <new2ubuntu> well its a conexant chip/HP, and I've tried the linuxant drivers, It *sounds* like its attempting the connection, even may do the handshake but it sounds like the connection fails after that?
[12:05] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser,  now it seems I fixed the mbr issue, becuase I got into grub but Couldnt boot to linux got file not found error 15.
[12:05] <paal> could someone mention another software to use, besides gtkam?
[12:06] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser,  so it seems I have to fix my menu.lst
[12:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: then your boot info is missing.
[12:07] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser, seems that, How to get correct boot info ?
[12:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: you ran grub install?
[12:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> Drgb: just a minte :|
[12:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's all happening :|
[12:08] <llukax> ahh omg tuxpuck is impossible!
[12:08] <paal> how do i install .deb packages?
[12:08] <Drgb> Kamping_Kaiser, don't worry...I'm reading patiently...ghghgg...and laughing as a fool
[12:08] <Hobbsee> !deb
[12:08] <ubotu> To install a deb: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[12:08] <korpt> run setup.exe
[12:08] <Hobbsee> korpt: setup.exe?
[12:08] <korpt> haha
[12:08] <korpt> im just playin.
[12:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[12:09] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[12:09] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser,  yes
[12:09] <korpt> ouch
[12:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> cheek
[12:09] <thoreauputic> heh
[12:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: ouch
[12:09] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser, this ouch scared me
[12:10] <korpt> nugger
[12:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: i havent tried to fix that before. the only way i know is to go live cd and try and rebuild your hdd grub setup. which i would not feel safe doing on another persons pc
[12:12] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser,  I did grub > root (hd0,2) then setup
[12:12] <Hobbsee> Madeye: which file is missing?  i wasnt reading much earlier...
[12:12] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser, I think it's just a small trick
[12:13] <new2ubuntu> thanks for the reading irwin...good stuff :)
[12:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: with any luck yes, but i don't know the small trick ;)
[12:13] <Madeye> Hobbsee, one sec, lemme get the full error
[12:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: it wont say what's missing. it just says stuffs not there
[12:14] <j-linux> I am having terrible problems installing Ubuntu Breezy to my new ThinkPad T43...  2 days worth.  The live CD works great, but can't install.  I have posted some information here: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/kLYuMv12.html
[12:14] <Hobbsee> Madeye: ok, that would be excellent
[12:14] <Madeye> Hobbsee,  root (hd0,1) filesystem type is fat, patyiyion yupr 0xc kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-686 root=/dev/sda2 ro quit splash
[12:14] <SWAT> Is this a good buy and would it work with ubuntu? (it's bluetooth) http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=Btoes&class=com
[12:15] <Hobbsee> er, what the heck???
[12:15] <SWAT> merry christmas everyone (by the way)
[12:15] <Madeye> Hobbsee,  error 15: file not found  , press any key to countinue...
[12:15] <j-linux> I have also just tried again and it seemed to install Ubuntu... Told me that it detected XP even though I deleted Windows... Then it rebooted and it freezes on Ubuntu Configuration, installing packages, preparing for installtion.  It had previously had errors during this installation -- same ones as mentioned in my paste.
[12:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: change your root to (hd0,2)
[12:15] <Hobbsee> Madeye: are you trying to boot off a USB disk?
[12:15] <ompaul> j-linux, what size is the hard drive?
[12:15] <Madeye> Hobbsee, no it's sata hdd on laptop
[12:16] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[12:16] <ompaul> j-linux, I take it you are on the live CD now?
[12:16] <Madeye> Hobbsee,  and the problem started when I resized windows XP c:/ to create E shared fat32 for windows and linux I couldn't boot
[12:16] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser, actually that was what I did with grub
[12:17] <j-linux> ompaul: I'm on a Windows machine next to my laptop... chatzilla...
[12:17] <ompaul> j-linux, okay is the machine booted with the live CD?
[12:17] <j-linux> ompaul: my laptop is frozen after reboot on the installing packages part
[12:17] <j-linux> ompaul: The ThinkPad doesn't have the ubuntu disk in it anymore (the install one) because it told me to remove it after installation.
[12:17] <Drgb> Kamping_Kaiser, are you "free" now?
[12:18] <ompaul> j-linux, ehh have you got a live cd?
[12:18] <Madeye> Hobbsee, what next?
[12:18] <j-linux> It rebooted into grub, gave me a choice of ubuntu or xp (even though there is no xp)...and is now frozen...
[12:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> Drgb: sorry, i keep forgetting you :$
[12:18] <new2ubuntu> irwin are you still there? Quick question regarding the need for the installation of the Gcc packs?
[12:18] <Drgb> lol np
[12:18] <j-linux> I have all kinds of live CDs here... Ubuntu Breezy, knoppix 4.02, pizza puppy...
[12:18] <j-linux> ompaul: should I boot one up?
[12:18] <Hobbsee> Madeye: i'm thinking...so...where's the root partition now?  hd0,2?
[12:19] <ompaul> j-linux, ubuntu if you want or knoppix please do
[12:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: when it gets to grub, hit escape, so it gives you a menu, then 'e' to edit, then edit `root (hd0,1) filesystem type is fat, patyiyion yupr 0xc kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-686 root=/dev/sda2 ro quit splash` to be `root (hd0,2) filesystem type is fat, kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-686 root=/dev/sda2 ro quit splash` or similar.
[12:19] <new2ubuntu> are those mandatory if Im running 5.10?
[12:19] <ompaul> j-linux, actually try it with the install CD
[12:19] <Madeye> Hobbsee, yes
[12:19] <j-linux> ompaul:  ok...  put the install CD in?
[12:19] <ompaul> j-linux, lets just try that
[12:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> Drgb: can you ask thoreauputic or someone who knows stuff, i think i cant help you
[12:20] <Drgb> lol
[12:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> *collapses
[12:20] <Hobbsee> Madeye: and when you follow Kamping_Kaiser's instructions, make sure you hit "b" to boot, not esc :P
[12:20] <Drgb> Kamping_Kaiser, of course, if thoreauputic wants
[12:20] <j-linux> ompaul: ok, rebooting with the install CD.  there is something strange about the ThinkPad harddrive, I think....
[12:20] <j-linux> I'm at the boot prompt
[12:20] <paal> got the camera to work :p
[12:20] <Madeye> Hobbsee, okay
[12:20] <paal> thanks Kamping_Kaiser
[12:20] <ompaul> choose ubuntu
[12:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: wtf?
[12:20] <thoreauputic> Drgb: just ask and see if anyone can help :)
[12:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> wd paal
[12:20] <j-linux> ompaul: type "ubuntu" ?
[12:21] <Drgb> ok, thoreauputic can I give you the pastebin link?
[12:21] <ompaul> no
[12:21] <new2ubuntu> Also, if I cant get the onboard conexant modem working, can someone suggest a PCMCIA modem that will positively work with Ubuntu/other flavors of Linux?
[12:21] <thoreauputic> Drgb: sure
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Madeye: after you follow Kamping_Kaiser's instructions, that is
[12:21] <j-linux> ompaul: it's just a prompt that says "boot:"
[12:21] <Drgb> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6142
[12:21] <j-linux> I usually hit enter at this point.
[12:21] <thoreauputic> Drgb: no guarantee I can help though
[12:21] <ompaul> j-linux, do that
[12:21] <Drgb> lol, don't worry
[12:21] <j-linux> ok
[12:21] <Drgb> everything can be helpful
[12:21] <j-linux> booting
[12:22] <ompaul> j-linux, can you give me a minute I want to get some coffee installed to myself
[12:22] <j-linux> ompaul: no problem... should I select the languages?
[12:22] <ompaul> j-linux, yes
[12:22] <j-linux> ok... thanks.
[12:22] <thoreauputic> Drgb: I know nothing about Perl - but should that say "update" ?
[12:22] <ompaul> j-linux, sorry was that screen the one that offers "server" as an option/
[12:23] <irvin> new2ubuntu: better get an external modem
[12:23] <ompaul> j-linux, the first screen?
[12:23] <j-linux> ompaul: tes
[12:23] <Drgb> thoreauputic, update what? i've tried apt-get install libmd5-perl
[12:23] <j-linux> yes
[12:23] <j-linux> I can go back...
[12:23] <Drgb> i thought it could work
[12:23] <Drgb> but i had the same result
[12:23] <ompaul> j-linux, lets reboot and choose server
[12:23] <Drgb> the apt-get install perl
[12:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry thoreauputic, i just had to bail *head exploded*
[12:23] <thoreauputic> Drgb: no I mean line 300
[12:23] <ompaul> j-linux, back in a sec kettle and coffee :)
[12:23] <Drgb> i don't know what to do now :/
[12:23] <j-linux> ompaul: no problem, thanks for your help.
[12:24] <Drgb> thoreauputic, can you explain better please? i have not understood
[12:24] <troouble-boot> hi i installed ubuntu- now  i installed windowxp when computer starts it shows just windows how can i get back my ubuntu
[12:24] <thoreauputic> Drgb: try editing line 300 to say UPDATE instead of UTDATE
[12:24] <Hobbsee> !grub
[12:24] <ubotu> grub is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[12:24] <Hobbsee> troouble-boot: check the second link there...
[12:24] <Drgb> thoreauputic, ah, lol, ok, I'll try
[12:25] <troouble-boot> no i dont get it
[12:25] <Drgb> thoreauputic, uhh....no...there are something like 1k of "UTDATE" so I think it's not a mistake
[12:26] <thoreauputic> Drgb: OK - it was just a guess :)
[12:26] <troouble-boot> i dont have a live cd
[12:26] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser, booted started the upslash but then I got /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off. #
[12:26] <new2ubuntu> whoops..
[12:26] <Drgb> maybe I should learn perl....omg...
[12:26] <thoreauputic> Drgb: what are you trying to do, by the way?
[12:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> Drgb: have you checked gnupods home for known bugts?
[12:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: that's a problem with your menu.list IIRC
[12:27] <Drgb> thoreauputic, I'm trying to convert a GNUtunesDB.xml into an ItunesDB file....yes Kamping_Kaiser I did
[12:27] <thoreauputic> ah gnupod - /me is ignorant on this subject
[12:27] <hypernewbie> anyoen do any opengl here
[12:27] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser, hmm and now is it possible to fix it ?
[12:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: got a live cd?
[12:28] <ompaul> j-linux, how far have you gotten?
[12:28] <Drgb> guys, guys, guys...I think I've got the answer...but you have to give me the second part of it
[12:28] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser,  yeah sure, what part of it shall I  edit ?
[12:28] <j-linux> ompaul: I'm at the configure the network... I have to type in the static IP
[12:28] <ompaul> no you can choose dhcp if your network is
[12:28] <Drgb> I'm almost sure it's  missing library but....which one?????
[12:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: does the computer have internet access? for pastebining? or are you on the box?
[12:29] <thoreauputic> Drgb: apt-cache depends <your package>  might help
[12:29] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser, I'm on Desktop and the operation being on Laptop.
[12:29] <troouble-boot> can anyone help me
[12:29] <troouble-boot> hi i installed ubuntu- now  i installed windowxp when computer starts it shows just windows how can i get back my ubuntu
[12:29] <ompaul> j-linux, able to - sorry I am not able to keep my brain together enough to put a full sentence on the one line :-/
[12:29] <Drgb> thoreauputic, what's "my-package"?
[12:29] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser,  but I can config internet on lapto to paste stuff
[12:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> (21:23:30) Drgb: Reading from filehandle failed at /usr/share/perl5/GNUpod/FooBar.pm line 300.
[12:29] <thoreauputic> Drgb: but apt should have taken care of that
[12:29] <hypernewbie> troouble-boot, great job
[12:29] <j-linux> ompaul: ok... no problem... maybe time for some sleep?
[12:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: ok
[12:30] <hypernewbie> troouble-boot, try to install grub to the mbr urself
[12:30] <troouble-boot> how
[12:30] <thoreauputic> Drgb: whatever you tried to install -  libmd5-perl  ?
[12:30] <Drgb> yep...
[12:30] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser,  want me to paste menu.ls ?
[12:30] <hypernewbie> troouble-boot: not sure, google?
[12:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell troouble-boot about grub
[12:30] <Drgb> the depending package is "perl"
[12:30] <hypernewbie> !grub
[12:30] <ubotu> I guess grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[12:30] <Drgb> i installed that too...BUT!!!!!!!!!!
[12:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: yes thanks.
[12:30] <Drgb> hey, I've got it
[12:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> and i might get more after that
[12:30] <hypernewbie> ahh
[12:30] <thoreauputic> Drgb: well that's there by default...
[12:30] <hypernewbie> thx bot
[12:30] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser,  :-)  one sec lemme get into desktop and mount boot
[12:30] <ompaul> j-linux, it is 11:30 am, so sleep na, I just worked so many hours coming up to christmas, I am slowly waking today :)
[12:30] <Drgb> I'm using perl5, not perl...so i think I can switch my per interpreter to perl
[12:31] <Drgb> LET'STRY!
[12:31] <troouble-boot> thanx for the link but i still dont get it
[12:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: np
[12:31] <hypernewbie> troouble-boot, wot dont u get?
[12:31] <troouble-boot> how to get my ubuntu to boot
[12:31] <j-linux> ompaul:   you must be in Europe?  I'm in Hawaii... 1:30am... :S
[12:31] <hypernewbie> troouble-boot, hold on a sec
[12:31] <j-linux> other side of the planet..
[12:32] <ompaul> j-linux, the most westerly side of europe :)
[12:32] <murtun> hey all
[12:32] <murtun> I am having some sound problems
[12:32] <murtun> in that i don;t have any :P
[12:32] <murtun> Alsaconfig is not found
[12:32] <murtun> and apt-get install alsaconfig does not work
[12:32] <murtun> what should i do?
[12:33] <j-linux> I'm 3 weeks behind on work becuase of this laptop problem... my other one broke... This one won't install Linux.... I prefer dual boot but will survive with LInux-only
[12:33] <hypernewbie>  troouble-boot, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[12:33] <j-linux> Will not be happy with Windows-only
[12:33] <ompaul> alsactl
[12:33] <troouble-boot> yes i am readin that link
[12:34] <troouble-boot> i insert the ubuntu cd it starts to boot and to install ubuntu
[12:34] <murtun> ompaul, what does that let me do?
[12:34] <ompaul> murtun, that is something that I have installed
[12:34] <murtun> i'm reading that man pages now
[12:35] <ompaul> murtun, alsamixer is what I actually use for settings
[12:35] <hypernewbie> troouble-boot, LiveCD
[12:35] <murtun> Would i not be able to use alsaconfig, i find it alot more simple
[12:35] <j-linux> ompaul: what is your idea for the server thing?  Just install the server?
[12:35] <hypernewbie> troouble-boot, LiveCD it said
[12:35] <troouble-boot> i dont have livecd
[12:35] <ompaul> j-linux, yes then on the command line you can install the x stuff
[12:35] <hypernewbie> troouble-boot, i guess you'll need it...
[12:35] <thoreauputic> murtun: anything happen if you do  "  cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ?
[12:35] <thoreauputic> murtun: alsaconf is not in ubuntu btw
[12:36] <ompaul> thoreauputic, have you seen my brain today?
[12:36] <j-linux> ompaul: ok... I'll try going through it.  I'll delete all my partitions except the 4.2 GB factory restore one at the end of the disk...
[12:36] <hypernewbie> troouble-boot, do you need any of those two installations?
[12:36] <Raskall> happy christmas day, everyone. :)
[12:36] <murtun> thoreauputic, what is the alternative then?
[12:36] <thoreauputic> ompaul: have I ever ? *grin*
[12:36] <ompaul> hehe
[12:36] <murtun> you too mate
[12:36] <hypernewbie> troouble-boot, cause the best way to fix such is format and rip through
[12:36] <troouble-boot> i need to install just to boot
[12:36] <troouble-boot> u mean to reinstall again
[12:37] <hypernewbie> troouble-boot, yup
[12:37] <hypernewbie> troouble-boot, BEST, BEST way
[12:37] <rendi> hi how to compres multiple dir use tar ?
[12:37] <troouble-boot> i hate reinstall
[12:37] <hypernewbie> troouble-boot, and this time, do things the right order
[12:37] <thoreauputic> murtun: have you checked to see if any channels are muted? ( alsamixer or the volume control)
[12:37] <ompaul> j-linux, yeap
[12:37] <rendi> i wanna backup my site
[12:37] <hypernewbie> troouble-boot, trust me, if u dont need any of the two, format, its worth the trouble
[12:37] <rendi> tar bla bla bla ??
[12:37] <murtun> no
[12:37] <thoreauputic> murtun: do that first then
[12:37] <murtun> but i havn't even specified which sound card i want to ise
[12:37] <troouble-boot> well i dont want to format just for a boot shit
[12:38] <murtun> none are
[12:38] <hypernewbie> troouble-boot, well u can try fix it, but u need knowledge...lots of it
[12:38] <murtun> all are fully up
[12:38] <murtun> but it is looking at the intgrated Soundcard
[12:38] <hypernewbie> troouble-boot, (or u can always blame microsoft)
[12:38] <murtun> i want to use another one
[12:38] <thoreauputic> murtun: you have 2 sound cards?
[12:38] <murtun> indeed
[12:38] <troouble-boot> i installed osloader still it does not boot
[12:38] <thoreauputic> I see
[12:38] <murtun> one that is integrated (crap)
[12:38] <Killalot> cna I change the subtitle size with gmplayer
[12:38] <Killalot> ?
[12:39] <Drgb> no way.....I'm desperate..............................I'll rape google some more..............
[12:39] <hypernewbie> troouble-boot, u cant install something and wish it boots. you'll have to do that grub crap
[12:39] <hypernewbie> troouble-boot, try synaptic and installing grub and see if that fixes it
[12:39] <hypernewbie> troouble-boot, or lilo
[12:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> grub
[12:40] <hypernewbie> lilo
[12:40] <thoreauputic> murtun: lspci | grep -i audio
[12:40] <thoreauputic>   <-- does that show 2 cards ?
[12:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubuntu+lilo isnt so good i hear
[12:40] <MickMcMack> Lilo?
[12:40] <MickMcMack> O_o;;;;;;;;
[12:40] <hypernewbie> my friend uses it without troub, bt meh i dont see difference
[12:40] <hypernewbie> although i do hate grub
[12:41] <hypernewbie> its managed to orget 7 windows installations so far on this comp
[12:41] <hypernewbie> forget*
[12:41] <Hobbsee> hypernewbie: most people here use grub, so they are better at troubleshooting it - and it's a lot easier to kill your system with wrong lilo commands than wrong grub commands, i hear
[12:41] <murtun> 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
[12:41] <ompaul> !grub
[12:41] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[12:41] <murtun> 0000:06:00.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)
[12:41] <murtun> thoreauputic, i want to use that Cmedia one
[12:41] <hypernewbie> Hobbsee, probably. i'm out of knowledge for this one
[12:41] <jenda> Anyone have a clue why I can't open my router's html interface through <IP_ADDRESS>? It worked some time ago and doesn't now... and the internet connection works. Anyone?
[12:41] <thoreauputic> murtun: well at least the system sees it
[12:41] <thoreauputic> hang on
[12:42] <murtun> k
[12:42] <murtun> can i pm u mate?
[12:42] <thoreauputic> murtun: system - preferences - sound
[12:42] <mjr> jenda, your system probably doesn't have a 192.168 network address set up; try: sudo ifconfig eth0:0 inet <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:42] <murtun> Sounds strange jenda, ping <IP_ADDRESS>, does that work?
[12:42] <thoreauputic> murtun: see if the drop down allows you to select it
[12:42] <murtun> k
[12:42] <ompaul> j-linux, how is it going
[12:42] <jenda> murtun: that does
[12:43] <murtun> k
[12:43] <j-linux> ompaul:  It's doing the time zone configuration thing...  Still working...
[12:43] <jenda> mjr: are you sure, and is there a way to undo that :)?
[12:43] <Hobbsee> troouble-boot: did you try that page that you were sent?  the recovering ubuntu after installing windows?
[12:43] <mjr> jenda, no, yes
[12:43] <hypernewbie> Hobbsee, he doesnt have live cd
[12:43] <jenda> OK :)
[12:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: several times
[12:44] <j-linux> ompaul: it usually gets through most of the installation and even the reboot (although with errors)...
[12:44] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[12:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> live cd?
[12:44] <hypernewbie> Hobbsee, wouldn't u re-install?
[12:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> what for?
[12:44] <ompaul> j-linux, well lets try this - shall we :)
[12:44] <jenda> mjr: so I should restart the connection now?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> hypernewbie: for a screwed bootloader?  no, i'd try reinstalling the bootloader first!
[12:44] <j-linux> ompaul:  I hope it works :)
[12:44] <thoreauputic> murtun: I'm pretty sure that card is supported so it should work - if not you can google for the module/driver and modprobe it
[12:44] <mjr> jenda, no?
[12:44] <murtun> thoreauputic, System settings > Sound > Hardware ?
[12:44] <j-linux> In two days I've installed Windows once (many hours and 6 CDs), and Linux about 3 times...
[12:44] <mjr> jenda, you should just try the command and then try to contact the router
[12:44] <Drgb> guys, I found the mail address of the "Digest::MD5" module creator........I think I'll mail him and ask for some help...I hope he knows perl :D
[12:44] <hypernewbie> Hobbsee, i hate bootloaders.
[12:45] <ompaul> j-linux, well I have had failures before and it worked where a straight install did not
[12:45] <jenda> mjr: I dunno. Why did you put <IP_ADDRESS> when the router should be 1.1?
[12:45] <Hobbsee> hypernewbie: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76652 is also quite useful, it's under !reinstallgrub
[12:45] <j-linux> ompaul:  it's a great idea... thanks.
[12:45] <thoreauputic> murtun: no, there should be a drop down on the first tab I think
[12:45] <murtun> right, i have no idea how to do tha kinda stuff :S
[12:45] <murtun> Oh, there isn't
[12:45] <paal> is there a software that show the weather where you live? temperature etc?
[12:45] <mjr> jenda, because you don't want the same IP address for the computer as for the router...
[12:45] <hypernewbie> Hobbsee, leme check that, my knowledge of grub is negative
[12:45] <jenda> mjr: Ah I see
[12:45] <ompaul> paal, I use an extention to firefox for that
[12:45] <j-linux> ompaul:  it is just starting to have errors.  A screen says that it detects XP on the drive... but I deleted it several installation ago!
[12:45] <Hobbsee> hypernewbie: top post, uses the standard installer to reinstall grub :P
[12:45] <jenda> mjr: But it's supposed to be Dynamic IP
[12:46] <thoreauputic> murtun: you should see General - Sound events - System bell
[12:46] <ompaul> j-linux,  that is that last partition you did not delete
[12:46] <hypernewbie> Hobbsee, have u tried installing knoppix before?
[12:46] <j-linux> ompaul-- maybe it is detecting the last partition
[12:46] <j-linux> yes
[12:46] <thoreauputic> murtun: on the General tab is your sound card
[12:46] <jenda> mjr: is there a way to check the IPtable?
[12:46] <hypernewbie> Hobbsee, i tried once and i got a nice grub load fail error 15...
[12:46] <j-linux> ompaul: should I install GRUB to the MBR?
[12:46] <jenda> mjr: even without the router?
[12:46] <mjr> jenda, doesn't matter, 192.168 is a private address space, and that :0 means that the address will be set up in _addition_ to your dynamic one
[12:46] <Hobbsee> hypernewbie: no, and i've had an error 15 before
[12:46] <ompaul> j-linux, yes
[12:46] <j-linux> ompaul: ok... here goes...
[12:46] <jenda> OK
[12:46] <murtun> thoreauputic, there is no drop down
[12:46] <murtun> thoreauputic, just box;s
[12:47] <j-linux> ompaul: nice... it skipped the part that always breaks it... and rebooted.
[12:47] <thoreauputic> murtun: what do you see? is there a default sound card there? Should be
[12:47] <ompaul> j-linux, that was the plan :-)
[12:47] <j-linux> ompaul: now it's in GRUB, says there is Windows but just booted into Ubuntu..
[12:47] <hypernewbie> Hobbsee, wth is a grub error15?
[12:47] <jenda> mjr: so is there a way to check the iptable?
[12:47] <ompaul> that is great
[12:47] <Madeye>  Kamping_Kaiser sorry but for some reason I cannot get menu.lst now
[12:47] <thoreauputic> murtun: or are you loking in the wrong place?
[12:47] <thoreauputic> *looking
[12:47] <mjr> jenda, I don't know what you're asking
[12:47] <Hobbsee> hypernewbie: well, grub screwed up with one of the dapper updates, so i had to edit it manually, after getting an error 15
[12:48] <ompaul> j-linux, did you want to install xp on this box ever?
[12:48] <j-linux> ompaul: is there a way to later shrink the ext3 partition that has ubuntu and install XP?  I have a feeling the 6 CDs that IBM provides won't do it...
[12:48] <j-linux> ompaul: yes... I would like to... just for work that other people give me.
[12:48] <murtun> thoreauputic,  i am looking at: System settings > Sound and media >
[12:48] <ompaul> j-linux, no you should install XP first
[12:48] <jenda> mjr: I would like to know the IPs of components in the network. Like the router
[12:48] <murtun> i am on kubuntu btw
[12:48] <thoreauputic> murtun: I'm talking about System -Preferences - Sound
[12:48] <ompaul> j-linux, then install ubuntu
[12:48] <murtun> ohhh
[12:48] <thoreauputic> murtun: *sigh*
[12:48] <thoreauputic> murtun: I thought you were in ubuntu/gnome
[12:49] <murtun> thoreauputic, ??
[12:49] <Sh4d0x> hi thoreauputic, merry X-mas
[12:49] <ompaul> j-linux, create a partition if 10 or so gigs for windows install it and then install ubuntu
[12:49] <murtun> thoreauputic, yeah sorry aboutthat
[12:49] <j-linux> ompaul: I will at least finish this install to see if I can even get Linux on this machine... no luck with 3 installs yet,.....  The problem with XP is that I can't shrink the NTFS partition for some reason.
[12:49] <mjr> jenda, you can try ping -b <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:49] <thoreauputic> Sh4d0x: hi :)
[12:49] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser,  a result of fdisk -l would help till I figure how to access menu.lst again ?
[12:49] <ompaul> j-linux, well you can choose not to give it the full disk at the install stage
[12:49] <j-linux> ompaul: I posted an earlier part of my story here: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/kLYuMv12.html
[12:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madeye: sure
[12:50] <hypernewbie> Hobbsee, hmm...
[12:50] <j-linux> ompaul: looks like Linux server is on the laptop...
[12:50] <robert__> exit
[12:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> but i have to warn you (well everyone) that my brains just gone dead. *totaly useless*
[12:50] <ompaul> j-linux, that post is why this conversation is taking place
[12:50] <ompaul> :)
[12:50] <Hobbsee> Madeye: why cant you get to menu.lst?
[12:50] <thoreauputic> murtun: dig around in kcontrol then
[12:50] <j-linux> ompaul: I'm logged in... great so far.
[12:50] <Madeye> Hobbsee, not sure why, I mounted /boot to mnt but there is no grub menu.lst
[12:50] <murtun> thoreauputic, kk
[12:50] <jenda> mjr: k, that gave me my PC and the sip phones. But not the router.
[12:51] <ompaul> j-linux, now do this >>sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop gdm xserver-xorg<<
[12:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> why the hell does the grub resore instructions require the live cd?
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Madeye: type "mount" and pastebin the output?
[12:51] <j-linux> ompaul: ok..
[12:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> honestly. how stupid can you get
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: i've often wondered that, i just use !reinstallgrub factoid...
[12:51] <ompaul> j-linux, write this down I won't be here for you when the end part takes place
[12:51] <j-linux> ok
[12:51] <hypernewbie> !reinstallgrub
[12:51] <ubotu> I guess reinstallgrub is to reinstall GRUB, follow the guide at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76652
[12:51] <murtun> thoreauputic, ok, i go to >Sound system - Control center > hardware
[12:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: i stilll use !grub from when it was accurate.
[12:52] <Hobbsee> true,  i think it changed
[12:52] <mjr> jenda, that's because the router only has the 192.168 address, which I told you how to get to if you like
[12:52] <murtun> and there is a drop down menu asking for me to select thr h/w
[12:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: I'll try and remember the new one, but it's more the principal of the matter
[12:52] <Hobbsee> definetly
[12:52] <Madeye> Kamping_Kaiser, it's http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6144 Hobbsee result of mount http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6145
[12:52] <cvt|ubuntu> i installed galaga so why isn't it in the games list?
[12:52] <ompaul> j-linux, do this and then reboot :)  >>>sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg<<<
[12:52] <testmachine> hm
[12:52] <murtun> thoreauputic, but none of my soundcards are listed
[12:52] <mjr> jenda, (and in fact, it appears that your "router" is rather a bridge, but that's technicalities)
[12:52] <jenda> mjr: I did that, but it didn't help, i think
[12:52] <ompaul> j-linux, that will give you a basic ubuntu install
[12:52] <testmachine> my firefox wont run as user anymore
[12:52] <testmachine> only as root
[12:53] <hypernewbie> hmm...one of the stupid ubuntu forums posts....was asking how the HELL u remove ubuntu??? u can't get rid of it with add/remove software!
[12:53] <mjr> jenda, try ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:53] <thoreauputic> murtun: I'm in gnome so I can't help much I fear - you need someone like crimsun to help with sound anyway
[12:53] <testmachine> but ok
[12:53] <testmachine> showe time
[12:53] <ompaul> j-linux, and so it is that I have to head off
[12:53] <jenda> PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[12:53] <jenda> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=1 ttl=254 time=0.736 ms
[12:53] <jenda> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=2 ttl=254 time=0.732 ms
[12:53] <jenda> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=3 ttl=254 time=0.817 ms
[12:53] <jenda> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=4 ttl=254 time=0.733 ms
[12:53] <jenda> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=5 ttl=254 time=0.852 ms
[12:53] <ompaul> j-linux, enjoy it
[12:53] <jenda> --- <IP_ADDRESS> ping statistics ---
[12:53] <jenda> 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4003ms
[12:53] <jenda> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.732/0.774/0.852/0.050 ms
[12:53] <ompaul> jenda, DO NOT PASTE
[12:53] <jenda> oops, sorry
[12:53] <mjr> jenda, please don't paste here
[12:53] <j-linux> ompaul: thanks for your help!
[12:53] <murtun> nvm
[12:54] <murtun> thanks alot thoreauputic
[12:54] <Drgb> uh oh....
[12:54] <murtun> merry christmas all :)
[12:54] <murtun> adois
[12:54] <ompaul> j-linux, as I said enjoy
[12:54] <Hobbsee> Madeye: sudo nano /mnt/work/boot/grub/menu.lst - does that work?
[12:54] <mjr> jenda, anyway, that tells me that your computer now can contact the bridge at its IP
[12:54] <thoreauputic> jenda: I'll remove the gag - but *don't * do that !
[12:54] <j-linux> I will... :)
[12:55] <ompaul> have a nice day folks be it the 25th or 26th for you :)
[12:55] <ompaul> thoreauputic, the christmas spirit?
[12:55] <ompaul> :)
[12:55] <hypernewbie> u too
[12:55] <thoreauputic> ompaul: sort of , yeah :)
[12:55] <jenda> ompaul: lol...
[12:56] <hypernewbie> !foo
[12:56] <ubotu> methinks foo is $FOO %FOO  foo`ie
[12:56] <thoreauputic> peace on earth, including #ubuntu :)
[12:56] <ompaul> Zaijian!
[12:56] <hypernewbie> god damn someone changed it!!!
[12:56] <hypernewbie> !christmas
[12:56] <ubotu> hypernewbie: I don't know, could you explain it?
[12:56] <foxiness> when the the cd 3 of dapper will come out ?
[12:57] <hypernewbie> ubotu christamas is somewhere around about now.
[12:57] <ubotu> okay, hypernewbie
[12:57] <Hobbsee> !tell hypernewbie about msgthebot
[12:57] <hypernewbie> !christmas
[12:57] <ubotu> I don't know, hypernewbie
[12:57] <Hobbsee> !botabuse
[12:57] <ubotu> You can play with me in /msg without being banned.
[12:57] <jenda> mjr: but what now?
[12:57] <foxiness> haha
[12:58] <Seveas> !foo
[12:58] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Seveas
[12:58] <Seveas> good
[12:58] <foxiness> haha
[12:58] <Hobbsee> :P i took it out Seveas :)
[12:58] <mjr> jenda, what do you mean what now?
[12:58] <Seveas> Hobbsee, (y)
[12:59] <hypernewbie> :(
[12:59] <mjr> jenda, I haven't the foggiest what you want to do with all this information, you know :)
[12:59] <foxiness> hypernewbie, hello :)
[12:59] <Seveas> hypernewbie, next time bot abuse will be rewarded with a permanent ban
[12:59] <jenda> mjr: I'm trying to access the html interface (because I wont to check the IPs and set up a prot forward)
[01:00] <mjr> jenda, yep, and you should be able to do that at <IP_ADDRESS> now
[01:00] <foxiness> hypernewbie, if you want to play with ubotu , do that by '/msg ubotu !tell me'
[01:00] <mjr> http://<IP_ADDRESS> rather
[01:00] <ubuntu> Hobbsee, Kamping_Kaiser it's http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6146
[01:00] <Grapsus> hi
[01:00] <jenda> mjr: But I can't
[01:01] <jenda> mjr: It just doesn't load the html interface.
[01:01] <Madeye> BrainDeadKK, Hobbsee it's madeye btw
[01:01] <Hobbsee> just saw that :)
[01:01] <Raskall> I am extremely happy with breezy on my new server, btw. All software is nearly perfectly configured from scratch with cron jobs and everything. Ubuntu is getting better and better. I am really anxious to see the next release.
[01:01] <Grapsus> i can't install ubuntu, ihave an "debootstrap error" when it installs the base system, i tried 5.10 and 5.04 it's the same error
[01:01] <mjr> jenda, if you have a proxy set in your browser, tell it not to use it. Otherwise, I'm out of ideas.
[01:01] <everton137> Hi, can someone give me some tip of what I need to read to use a mp3playr machine one linux? thanks
[01:02] <jenda> mjr: hmm no proxy AFAIK
[01:02] <deFrysk> !mp3
[01:02] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:02] <cthulhu> hi
[01:02] <Grapsus> help me please
[01:03] <cthulhu> can somebody help me with the IR support under linux
[01:03] <Hobbsee> Madeye: didnt you have to change the top one to hd(0,2) or something?
[01:03] <phreak97> how do i view a tasklist and end tasks (like alt ctrl delete in windows)?
[01:03] <phreak97> firefox died
[01:03] <Hobbsee> sorry, that darned pasting flood sent information out of my brain...
[01:03] <Madeye> Hobbsee, I did but it seems it's not getting save
[01:04] <Hobbsee> phreak97: top, in a terminal
[01:04] <Madeye> saved*
[01:04] <hypernewbie> phreak97, applications>system tools>system monitor
[01:04] <thoreauputic> phreak97: try pkill firefox-bin
[01:04] <Hobbsee> Madeye: where did you try to save it?  use control+x?
[01:04] <hypernewbie> or gnome-system-monitor
[01:04] <Hobbsee> Madeye: then hit y, enter
[01:04] <phreak97> system monitor worked
[01:05] <concept10> anyone else have problems with drag and drop in breezy?
[01:05] <phreak97> can i set it up so that comes up when i get alt ctrl delete?
[01:05] <Grapsus> can i try to install ubuntu true the network??
[01:05] <hypernewbie> phreak97, nope, thats windows :)
[01:05] <Hobbsee> hypernewbie: phreak97 i thought you could, actually...
[01:05] <Madeye> Hobbsee, and after I edit it from grub and then pressed b, I got error , damn I cannot remember what was the error after altering it to hd0,2
[01:06] <hypernewbie> Hobbsee, probably can
[01:06] <apricot> please, a sound related question!!!
[01:06] <Hobbsee> hypernewbie: phreak97 got no idea if it's still in date, but here http://ubuntuguide.org/#enablectrlaltdelopensystemmonitorgnome
[01:06] <thoreauputic> System -Preferences -Keyboard Shortcuts perhaps?
[01:07] <apricot> when i play music it feels like beyond the wall
[01:07] <hypernewbie> thoreauputic ,nope
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Madeye: might be worht trying again to see what the error was
[01:07] <hypernewbie> apricot, volume, eq?
[01:07] <apricot> maybe driver?
[01:08] <Grapsus> every boby ignored me here, thank you very much
[01:08] <hypernewbie> apricot, yeh linux sound does suck, but ubuntu has one of the better linux sounds
[01:08] <hypernewbie> (i rekon)
[01:08] <Madeye> Hobbsee, i'm talking now fromt the live CD, so isn't there anyway to test it without rebooting ?
[01:08] <thoreauputic> Grapsus: not exactly - probably no one knew an answer
[01:08] <apricot> is there a solution
[01:08] <apricot> ?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Grapsus: there are plenty of people asking and answering questions, its' very easy to miss questions
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Madeye: um...if you can give us the number of the error message, that would help...
[01:09] <Grapsus> it's not too hard to say if ubuntu can be installed trough the network like debian?
[01:09] <apricot> i have via sound driver for linux, but it is in rpm package, can you help me?
[01:10] <hypernewbie> apricot, use alien
[01:10] <deFrysk> apricot, dont install it
[01:10] <hypernewbie> apricot or get a tar.gz package
[01:10] <ravv> Grapsus, debian installer==ubuntu installer.
[01:10] <thoreauputic> Grapsus: it can be - but at the moment it is kind of involved and AFAIK involves using a debian CD or floppies
[01:10] <deFrysk> dont install it
[01:10] <hypernewbie> apricot, or get a .deb, the best format for ubuntu
[01:10] <deFrysk> apricot, check your settings first
[01:10] <phreak97> where's my xchat directory?
[01:10] <apricot> why to not instal it?
[01:11] <Madeye> Hobbsee, ah ok, what happen is after alter it to hd0,2 upslash appear, then start to load modules then I got bin/bash error
[01:11] <deFrysk> apricot, cos you dont need it
[01:11] <Grapsus> hum ok so i can't
[01:11] <hypernewbie> apricot, drivers + rpm+ ubuntu == bad
[01:11] <Hobbsee> phreak97: locate xchat, probably somewhere in your home dir
[01:11] <apricot> where do i check settings?
[01:11] <hypernewbie> phreak97, look in usr/share?
[01:11] <johan_> i try to install mplayer on ubuntu and dont find the correct sources.llist anyboyd can help me?
[01:11] <deFrysk> apricot, richtklick the littlle speaker in the richt top
[01:11] <Hobbsee> phreak97: or maybe usr/bin
[01:11] <deFrysk> right
[01:12] <Hobbsee> Madeye: sounds like you're making progress then, getting beyond grub...
[01:12] <hypernewbie> Hobbsee, yep usr/bin
[01:12] <thoreauputic> phreak97: what do you need to do?
[01:12] <deFrysk> apricot, then open volume control
[01:12] <Madeye> Hobbsee, hmm where should I look then ?
[01:12] <Grapsus> i'll try ext2 instead of ext 3, maybe debootstrap wont crash
[01:12] <deFrysk> and see if the settings are ok
[01:12] <hypernewbie> johan_ did u edit the sources,list?
[01:12] <phreak97> Install:
[01:12] <phreak97> Place it in your ~/.xchat/ directory and restart X-Chat.
[01:12] <thoreauputic> phreak97: there are several places xchat is installed - it depends why you need to know
[01:13] <phreak97> i want to install a plugin
[01:13] <thoreauputic> phreak97: ah - try ~/.xchat2
[01:13] <phreak97> and i didnt install xchat, it came with the distro
[01:13] <deFrysk> apricot, check if master and pcm are at about 80%
[01:13] <thoreauputic> phreak97: yes I know :)
[01:13] <Hobbsee> Madeye: um, well, that really depends on what the error it is, but google's a good place :P
[01:13] <thoreauputic> phreak97: so it is installed by default in fact
[01:13] <Madeye> Hobbsee, if I booted to windows and removed that new partition do you think the problem will be solved? or is there any software from windwos I can use to fix all this boot problem ? because I really need to get some work done ASAP
[01:13] <Madeye> Hobbsee,  i know I become so annoying
[01:14] <phreak97> ok, that worked
[01:14] <Hobbsee> Madeye: not at all
[01:14] <hypernewbie> Madeye, no windows software can fix all(anything)
[01:14] <Hobbsee> Madeye: well, you could try booting to windows, and doing your work on there for a while, but...
[01:14] <apricot> they are, but the sound still s...
[01:15] <Madeye> Hobbsee,  all of my work under linux
[01:15] <hypernewbie> Madeye, or the live-cd.....
[01:15] <Hobbsee> Madeye: it really depends on what the error is, and if anyone else has had it/knows how to fix it
[01:15] <thoreauputic> phreak97: don't bother to thank anyone - we live to serve you ;)
[01:15] <deFrysk> apricot, via sound is perfectly supported by ubuntu
[01:15] <Madeye> Hobbsee,  Ok, i'll boot now and write down the error message
[01:15] <Hobbsee> good idea
[01:15] <Madeye> thanks
[01:16] <Seveas> thoreauputic, :)
[01:16] <apricot> ok
[01:16] <hypernewbie> so...anyone know any opengl?
[01:16] <deFrysk> apricot, wich app gives you a poor quality ?
[01:16] <thoreauputic> Seveas: happy whatever, dude :)
[01:16] <apricot> but there is a difference
[01:17] <Seveas> thoreauputic, likewise
[01:17] <apricot> all music players!
[01:17] <thoreauputic> Seveas: :)
[01:17] <deFrysk> apricot, in gnome ?
[01:17] <hypernewbie> :)
[01:17] <apricot> but not the system sounds.
[01:17] <apricot> yas gnome
[01:17] <hypernewbie> apricot, u tried gstreamer 0.8-ffmpeg?
[01:17] <apricot> and games like americas is good
[01:17] <hypernewbie> i got that, that gives me pretty nice quality
[01:18] <deFrysk> apricot, open gstreamer-properties and check if the output is set to esd and test is
[01:18] <johan_> anybody knows what i have to add in sources.list for installing mplayer?
[01:18] <chris_wong> I need some help with gnomad2. anyone?
[01:18] <hypernewbie> johan_, just try everything
[01:18] <Hobbsee> johan_: multiverse, then apt-cache search mplayer for the correct package
[01:18] <hypernewbie> johan_, make sure u run apt-get update though
[01:19] <Hobbsee> !tell johan_ about repos
[01:19] <apricot> where is gstreamer?
[01:19] <Seveas> apricot, installed by default..
[01:19] <hypernewbie> apricot, packages.ubuntu.org
[01:19] <deFrysk> apricot, use your console
[01:19] <deFrysk> apricot, gstreamer-properties
[01:19] <hypernewbie> apricot, gstreamer ffmpeg is not installed thouh
[01:20] <apricot> yes it is esd
[01:20] <deFrysk> apricot, test works fine ?
[01:20] <apricot> no, the test failed
[01:20] <deFrysk> apricot, then try alsa
[01:21] <deFrysk> apricot, select alsa
[01:21] <apricot> how, please?
[01:21] <hypernewbie> apricot, press the big red button
[01:21] <apricot> fail
[01:21] <deFrysk> arrow down button next to output
[01:21] <deFrysk> hypernewbie, shut up
[01:21] <cvt|ubuntu> can java for websites be installed by synaptic?
[01:22] <apricot> what now?
[01:22] <thoreauputic> !java
[01:22] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[01:22] <deFrysk> apricot, this is wierd to be honest
[01:22] <deFrysk> apricot you have an onboard soundchip ?
[01:23] <londonboi2k3> Merry crimbo ppls, does anyone know of a webmail client I can use to access my mail remotly
[01:23] <Pegasos989> Hmmh. When I try to mount a BIN file it complains about bad superblock. Is i because of I use ISO9660 when mounting or is the file bad? :/
[01:23] <apricot> no, integrated nvidia
[01:23] <Seveas> Pegasos989, BIN files can't be mounted
[01:23] <Seveas> Pegasos989, use bchunk to convert it to iso
[01:23] <deFrysk> apricot, and your motherboard does not have on board sound ?
[01:23] <Pegasos989> ok, thanks a lot seveas
[01:23] <apricot> yes, sorry onboard nvidia
[01:24] <srbaker> yo
[01:24] <hypernewbie> hi
[01:24] <chris_wong> noone can help me with gnomad2?
[01:24] <srbaker> if i install kubuntu desktop, will it switch me to kde righ taway?
[01:24] <deFrysk> apricot, and a loose via sound card is what you use ??
[01:24] <apricot> ?
[01:24] <hypernewbie> srbaker, yep
[01:24] <Pegasos989> !bchunk
[01:24] <ubotu> Pegasos989: Bugger all, i dunno
[01:24] <Hobbsee> srbaker: no, you log out, then choose your session (kde), then log in, and it will
[01:24] <Seveas> chris_wong, not if you don't say what the problem is...
[01:24] <deFrysk> apricot, you said you had via sound ?
[01:24] <thoreauputic> srbaker: you just select it on login
[01:25] <srbaker> okay.  will it install kdm as the default?
[01:25] <apricot> no, i was thinking the card needed a new sounddriver
[01:25] <srbaker> i'm thinkinga bout trying it, there are some kde apps i want to try out
[01:25] <srbaker> and, are there any anti-rsi apps for KDE?  like workrave for gnome?
[01:25] <thoreauputic> hypernewbie: if you don't know, please don't mislead people
[01:25] <hypernewbie> thoreauputic, well it does switch right away does it...
[01:25] <deFrysk> apricot, if you are using a seperate soundcard, make sure to disable onboard sound in your bios
[01:25] <Seveas> srbaker, /sbin/shutdown is excellet against rsi :)
[01:25] <chris_wong> seveas, i get this error: cannot set usb_set_configuration'
[01:25] <thoreauputic> hypernewbie: no, you have to logout/in
[01:26] <apricot> no, it is integrated
[01:26] <apricot> soundcard
[01:26] <deFrysk> ok
[01:26] <thoreauputic> hypernewbie: it isn't magic, you know
[01:26] <hypernewbie> thoreauputic yeh course
[01:26] <srbaker> thx
[01:26] <hypernewbie> thoreauputic: bah wahtever
[01:27] <Sh4d0x> thoreauputic, lol on X-mas everything is possible ;) :D even magic ;)
[01:27] <deFrysk> apricot, not sure how to fix this one maybe the next ubuntu-version wil support your soundchip better
[01:27] <apricot> ok, must go now, thanks.
[01:27] <thoreauputic> Sh4d0x: yes but computer operating systems don't know that ;-)
[01:27] <hypernewbie> thoreauputic, until it comes to windows
[01:28] <thoreauputic> hypernewbie: huh?
[01:28] <hypernewbie> thoreauputic, windows does good magic on christmas
[01:28] <Sh4d0x> thoreauputic :D imagination ;)
[01:28] <hypernewbie> :)
[01:28] <greenpenguin13> how come there are people on here at christmas? :)
[01:29] <Sh4d0x> hypernewbie, the only present you get from windows on X-mas is a nice format C:  :D
[01:29] <Seveas> greenpenguin13, because not everyone celebrates it?
[01:29] <thoreauputic> greenpenguin13: there are people here 24/7/365
[01:29] <greenpenguin13> :-p
[01:29] <hypernewbie> Sh4d0x, indeed. ormaybe a few boot errors
[01:30] <Sh4d0x> hypernewbie, guess that's why we are all on ubuntu it offers exactly what you want from you os :D
[01:30] <Sh4d0x> greenpenguin13: we are the die-hard linux kern :D
[01:30] <Seveas> Sh4d0x, this is #ubuntu, not #windows-bashing
[01:30] <hypernewbie> Sh4d0x, until u get onto an ubuntu chatrooom with no christmas spirit
[01:30] <ratm_> when i download the newest ubuntu installation cd, does it include all necessary tools to compile a new kernel?
[01:30] <londonboi2k3> uuare there any howtos for sqwebmail?
[01:31] <deFrysk> ratm_, no
[01:31] <Sh4d0x> Seveas, sry, it was stronger then myself -x-
[01:31] <Seveas> ratm_, no you need gcc-3.4
[01:31] <hypernewbie> Sh4d0x see what i mean?
[01:31] <Seveas> if you use dapper, then all tools are included (apart from the kernel source) sice dapper uses gcc4 for the kernel
[01:31] <Sh4d0x> hypernewbie , uhu, shall we make some x-mas sfeer in this room? :D
[01:32] <Wilf> anyone installed the "lmsensors" package?
[01:32] <deFrysk> hypernewbie, Sh4d0x try #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:32] <johndarkhorse> Sh4d0x: perhaps better in #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:32] <Seveas> Sh4d0x, this is a support room, offtopic somewhere else
[01:33] <hypernewbie> Sh4d0x, see wot i mean...
[01:33] <Seveas> hypernewbie, enough.
[01:33] <ratm_> Seveas, what is dapper? cant find anything on the page..
[01:33] <deFrysk> !dapper
[01:33] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be called the "Dapper Drake" release. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDrake
[01:33] <Seveas> ratm_, dapper is the development version of Ubuntu
[01:33] <thoreauputic> hypernewbie: --->> #ubuntu-offtopic for Christmas spirit ;-)
[01:34] <ratm_> hrm, so there is no installation (except of dapper) which can compile a new kernel without having an internet connection?
[01:34] <Wilf> i wish i could name the next ubuntu version...
[01:34] <Sh4d0x> hypernewbie :) guess we better stay ontopic yet :)
[01:34] <cvt|ubuntu> on these java instructions, do i have to hit enter after each instruction in the terminal?
[01:34] <Seveas> ratm_, hoary can do it too
[01:34] <Sh4d0x> cvt|ubuntu, yup
[01:35] <Sh4d0x> cvt|ubuntu, but that's only a few times :)
[01:35] <cvt|ubuntu> is it supposed to say No such file or directory?
[01:35] <ratm_> ..so why can hoary but not 5.1?
[01:35] <deFrysk> cvt|ubuntu, at least you dont have to reboot :D
[01:35] <cvt|ubuntu> lol
[01:35] <Seveas> ratm_, hoary uses 3.4 for everything, breezy 4.0 for all but the kernel
[01:35] <Seveas> and there is no room for 2 c compilers on the cd
[01:36] <Wilf> breezy picks up my ipod and gives it it's own little ipod icon on the desktop.
[01:36] <deFrysk> cvt|ubuntu, it means you are not in the correct folder/directory
[01:36] <Wilf> how awesome is that.
[01:36] <Sh4d0x> guy's i'm off for my riding lessons, cheers xxx
[01:36] <hypernewbie_> ok dudes calm down
[01:36] <hypernewbie_> i'm sorry
[01:36] <ratm_> so i could use hoary first..then compile the 2.6.14 and then upgrade to 5.10 ?
[01:36] <viscount> having ant issues "Unable to locate tools.jar. Expected to find it in /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.4.2-gcj-4.0-<IP_ADDRESS>/lib/tools.jar" but I have the sun-jdk-1.5 installed, ant just doesnt seem to realize it, can anyone help?
[01:36] <Seveas> teamwork :)
[01:36] <cvt|ubuntu> cool
[01:37] <ratm_> teamwork?
[01:37] <deFrysk> peace
[01:38] <cvt|ubuntu> where should i install java?
[01:38] <deFrysk> cvt|ubuntu, you downloaded the sunjava.bin (NOT sunjava.rpm.bin )?
[01:38] <cvt|ubuntu> yes
[01:38] <Seveas> cvt|ubuntu, then apt-get install java-package
[01:38] <deFrysk> with the browser ?
[01:38] <Seveas> and fakerooot make-jpkf filename-of-sun-file.bin
[01:39] <deFrysk> if you downloaded irt wth firefox you have to cd Desktop , its the default downloadfolder in ubuntu
[01:39] <cthulhu> error compiling lirc can somebody help me??
[01:39] <deFrysk> irt = it
[01:40] <Seveas> cthulhu, apt-get install lirc
[01:41] <Hobbsee> cthulhu: and for future reference, pastebin the error and include it with your questoin :P
[01:41] <cvt|ubuntu> Seveas, command not found
[01:41] <Seveas> cvt|ubuntu, it's fakeroot, not fakerooot sorry
[01:42] <deFrysk> ooh
[01:42] <forkbomb> is there a free driver for softmodems?
[01:43] <Seveas> no
[01:43] <thoreauputic> forkbomb: depends which one
[01:43] <forkbomb> cause i'm thriving on 14.4 k
[01:44] <thoreauputic> forkbomb: my advice would be to get yourself a real hardware modem (serial port)
[01:44] <cthulhu> Seveas, i tried installing it with apt, the installation goes well, but it doesnt seem to work
[01:44] <forkbomb> thoreauputic, hmm
[01:44] <Seveas> cthulhu, paste the commands you used and their output on the pastebin please
[01:44] <thoreauputic> forkbomb: winmodems/softmodems are a pain
[01:44] <forkbomb> thoreauputic, yes they are, i figures :)
[01:44] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[01:45] <korpix> g'day matee
[01:45] <korpix> i just installed
[01:45] <korpix> ubuntu
[01:45] <korpix> and i cant setup my adsl
[01:45] <korpix> im on xp right noq
[01:45] <korpix> *Now
[01:46] <korpix> ..
[01:46] <Wilf> arf arf stupid gdesklets...
[01:46] <Wilf> work damn you!
[01:46] <Seveas> korpix, please dont use enter as punctuation...
[01:46] <mahangu> wtf are gdesklets
[01:46] <Seveas> Wilf, :)
[01:46] <thoreauputic> korpix: is it an USB modem or a router ?
[01:46] <korpix> yes
[01:46] <korpix> USB
[01:46] <Seveas> Wilf, which desklet is breaking ?
[01:46] <thoreauputic> korpix: do you know what sort? chipset?
[01:46] <Wilf> all the ones related to lmsensors.
[01:47] <korpix> umm
[01:47] <Seveas> ah, did you install lmsensors?
[01:47] <korpix> u mean modem name ?
[01:47] <thoreauputic> korpix: ethernet connected routers are eaesier..
[01:47] <korpix> d-link320G
[01:47] <Seveas> korpix, name, chipset, lsusb output
[01:47] <Wilf> Not yet...that's the problem...I can't figure out how to :<
[01:47] <cvt|ubuntu> it says java-package is already the newest version. but i still can't use java
[01:47] <korpix> nope
[01:47] <Seveas> Wilf, apt-get install lm-sensors
[01:47] <johndarkhorse> mahangu: gdesklets, adesklets and superkaramba are the same type of thing (they're like widgets)
[01:47] <korpix> ..
[01:47] <nele> hi! I need help about my /etc/network/interfaces please (spanish)
[01:47] <Seveas> cvt|ubuntu, java-package is just the tool to turn the .bin file into a .deb
[01:47] <korpix> wel
[01:47] <korpix> ?
[01:48] <cvt|ubuntu> oh
[01:48] <Seveas> cvt|ubuntu, try this: fakeroot make-jpkg filename-of-sun-file.bin
[01:48] <Wilf> well that was easy.
[01:48] <Wilf> why isn't it listed in synaptic?
[01:48] <korpix> umm
[01:48] <korpix> help!!
[01:48] <Seveas> cvt|ubuntu, and then: sudo dpkg -i sun*deb
[01:48] <thoreauputic> korpix: more information needed
[01:48] <Seveas> korpix, don't be annoying please
[01:48] <korpix> k
[01:48] <MickMcMack> korpix, Seveas asked you for some information already.
[01:48] <MickMcMack> No-one can help you until you provide said information.
[01:48] <korpix> yeh
[01:48] <korpix> i said i dont know
[01:48] <korpix> sffs.
[01:48] <Seveas> korpix, then get the info
[01:49] <korpix> from where?
[01:49] <Seveas> and talk horizontal
[01:49] <korpix> ...
[01:49] <forkbomb> korpix, u on xp?
[01:49] <korpix> yes
[01:49] <forkbomb> korpix, should be easy to get on xp
[01:49] <korpix> k
[01:49] <korpix> command ?
[01:49] <forkbomb> erm...
[01:49] <viscount> Any ant guru's for some reason its unable to find my 1.5 java, and also more disturbing, can not find the jar tools either. Anyone know how to fix it up?
[01:49] <thoreauputic> korpix:  else start with googling for  "d-link320G linux "
[01:50] <Seveas> viscount, did you install ant and java via apt-get?
[01:50] <korpix> aight mami
[01:50] <thoreauputic> viscount:  sudo update-alternatives --config java
[01:50] <korpix> ehh
[01:50] <korpix> only 2 hits
[01:50] <korpix> and its nuffin
[01:50] <forkbomb> lol
[01:50] <korpix> =\
[01:50] <viscount> Seveas, yes
[01:50] <forkbomb> try device manager
[01:50] <Mortis_kruul> Hi all! Look at http://www.muzyka.oz.pl :)
[01:50] <jenda> mjr: strange... I gat through to the router via telnet... but firefox can't do it.
[01:50] <viscount> thoreauputic, already done that, didnt fix it
[01:51] <korpix> and get what info ?
[01:51] <viscount> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=108149
[01:51] <thoreauputic> !enter
[01:51] <ubotu> please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[01:51] <Seveas> ^-- korpix
[01:51] <jenda> Mortis_kruul: #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:51] <jenda> too late...
[01:51] <korpix> Ok
[01:51] <Seveas> just a spammer
[01:52] <korpix> anywayz google found nuffin so what now ?
[01:52] <Wilf> hmmm. Seveas, lmsensors is installed, however the desklets still don't work...I know my chipset is supported, it's an NVIDIA Nforce 2
[01:52] <viscount> thoreauputic, Seveas any other ideas? did you see my link to the forum post?
[01:52] <Seveas> viscount, no, please repeat it :)
[01:52] <viscount> Seveas, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=108149
[01:53] <Seveas> Wilf, -ENOCLUE, I hate gdesklets and don't use them :)
[01:53] <korpix> .....
[01:53] <Wilf> fair enough, thanks anyway :)
[01:53] <forkbomb> korpix, device info aint that hard to get on xp
[01:53] <Seveas> viscount, update-alternatices --config javac
[01:53] <thoreauputic> korpix: find out the info seveas asked for and come back when you have something we can help with
[01:53] <Seveas> viscount, update-alternatices --config jar
[01:54] <deFrysk> update-alternatives --config jar
[01:54] <korpix> ahh
[01:54] <korpix> maybe i dont know how to find out
[01:54] <korpix> and still asking for help
[01:54] <Wilf> korpix, just plug the modem into the second data layer of the mainframe, then repeat with the psudo-frame and put it in H
[01:54] <thoreauputic> korpix: use your head and look
[01:54] <Seveas> korpix, boot into linux, type lsusb, copy the output to paper, reboot into windows, put the output on the pastebin
[01:54] <Seveas> and STOP USING TOO MUCH ENTERs
[01:54] <korpix> haha
[01:54] <thoreauputic> korpix: you are just expecting others to do the work for you
[01:54] <korpix> ok
[01:55] <korpix> well listen its my frist time using it
[01:55] <korpix> so how can u be doing all the work ?
[01:55] <forkbomb> korpix, the people here are mean.
[01:55] <Seveas> argh
[01:55] <korpix> hah
[01:55] <jbueler> does anyone know why i would get this message "bash: make: command not found"?
[01:55] <korpix> anywyz bbl
[01:55] <thoreauputic> *sigh* I feel a +q coming on
[01:55] <thoreauputic> my prophetic soul...
[01:55] <jbueler> am i missing the make file?
[01:56] <Wilf> you're no fun Seveas :<
[01:56] <glick> excuse me does anyone here use gtk-gnutella?
[01:56] <Seveas> Wilf, this channel is for support, not for fun :)
[01:56] <Wilf> heh :$
[01:56] <viscount> Seveas, thanks, getting closer :) but still no cigar for you! Ok, jar was set to gcj, changed now to sun1.5, java had only one option, but and still looking for sun1.4 and still cant find jar either, weird
[01:56] <Seveas> and definitely not for non-listening losers
[01:56] <viscount> Seveas, should I uninstall 1.4 perhaps?
[01:56] <Madeye> finally I got into my system
[01:56] <brenner> jbueler: have you installed build-essential?
[01:56] <deFrysk> seeing Seveas in action = fun
[01:57] <Seveas> viscount, it may help, ut it would be weird
[01:57] <cthulhu> Seveas, ive posted the make output in pastebin
[01:57] <glick> does anyone know what ports need to be open for it?
[01:57] <jbueler> dont think so..
[01:57] <jbueler> ill check
[01:57] <Seveas> viscount, 'readlink -f `which java`'
[01:57] <Seveas> viscount, what does that say>?
[01:57] <viscount> Seveas, /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/bin/java
[01:57] <Seveas> cthulhu, where?
[01:57] <forkbomb__> dude this admin has pms
[01:58] <Madeye> Seveas, I have 10GB unallocated space, I want to make it shared partition between linux and windows, which is best, partitioning it from linux or windows?
[01:58] <Seveas> ban avoiding is sooo lame
[01:58] <jbueler> that was it thanks
[01:58] <cthulhu> Seveas, pastebin.com/478257
[01:58] <glick> does anyone know why my gnutella hasnt been able to connect?
[01:58] <win[X] amp> i need help to set my wi-Fi
[01:58] <glick> my gnutella-gtk
[01:59] <win[X] amp> i use atheros
[01:59] <win[X] amp> theres anyone can help me?
[01:59] <Seveas> cthulhu, why don't you simply install lirc from the repositories?
[01:59] <cthulhu> Seveas, i did it, but it didnt seem to work
[01:59] <glick> gtk says "Running an old version"
[02:00] <glick> and it wont connect to any peers
[02:00] <cthulhu> it installs correctly
[02:00] <cthulhu> but...
[02:00] <brenner> jbueler: np
[02:00] <Seveas> cthulhu, what are the symptoms?
[02:00] <MickMcMack> O_o
[02:00] <Madeye> guys  I have 10GB unallocated space, I want to make it shared partition between linux and windows, which is best, partitioning it from linux or windows?
[02:00] <Seveas> win[X] amp, atheros should work out of the box (these words flow through an atheros chip), what's the problem?
[02:00] <jenda> Madeye: From Linux, as FAT32
[02:00] <johndarkhorse> Madeye: linux will allow you to partition and format in any FS you wish
[02:01] <Seveas> Madeye, as long as it's formatter as fat it makes no differnce whether to do it from win or lin
[02:01] <deFrysk> Madeye, fat32 is a good choice for sharing
[02:01] <glick> do you think i have to upgrade?
[02:01] <jenda> prabably glick
[02:01] <cthulhu> Seveas, when i run IRkick, it says taht theres no IR device available
[02:02] <Madeye> Seveas, hmm because I did that before few minutes and I was unable to boot to my system, because actually I resized C:/ to get these 10GB when I resized it I couldn't boot to system then I deleted the partition and things worked
[02:02] <glick> jenda, but the repositories only have the old one
[02:02] <Madeye> now I;m asking just not to fall again in that hell
[02:02] <jbueler> does anyone know what repos vamps is in?
[02:02] <Seveas> cthulhu, apt-get build-dep lirc
[02:02] <Seveas> and retry compiling
[02:02] <cthulhu> ok
[02:02] <jenda> glick: I see... no idea
[02:03] <jenda> Seveas: watch forkbomb
[02:03] <jenda> ah ok
[02:03] <nulltix> anywayz
[02:04] <nulltix> sorry for being rude and i got the info
[02:04] <viscount> would it be a really bad horrid thing that might break my system if i removed gcj?
[02:04] <Seveas> I hate ban avoiders
[02:04] <Seveas> viscount, not that I know of
[02:05] <YAMAN> hello
[02:05] <BrainDeadKK> wow. banned optus
[02:05] <greenpenguin13> afternoon
[02:05] <cthulhu> Seveas, do i have to restart the computer??
[02:05] <YAMAN> slm nas0131ls0131n0131z
[02:05] <Seveas> what the fuck is up with everyone?
[02:05] <MickMcMack> Seveas, shouldn't ban-evadors get g-lined?
[02:06] <Seveas> it's christmas and all the trolls wake up...
[02:06] <johndarkhorse> MickMcMack: we do what we can
[02:06] <mifritscher> is that normal that on freenode kicking people is called left #chan (requested by xy) ?
[02:06] <j-linux> well... finally got Ubuntu installed on the ThinkPad T43 -- very difficult, but it's working great.  Breezy is much better than Hoary and Hoary was great.
[02:07] <Seveas> mifritscher, that's not a /kick but a /remove
[02:07] <poimen> :)
[02:07] <Seveas> we prefer to use /remove because it does not trigger auto-rejoin
[02:07] <mifritscher> ah, ok
[02:07] <mifritscher> thanks for the info ;)
[02:08] <linkd> oh no! not ubuntu!
[02:08] <Mortis> Hi all!  I cant even find any ant config files.. egads
[02:12] <no_gatez_fan> more than a couple days, about a week
[02:13] <Yagisan> jbueler: IIRC someone on debian mentors is looking for a vamps sponser - assuming they get one soon, it will end up in dapper universe
[02:13] <cthulhu> Seveas i did  apt-get build-dep lirc, but i get the same message in IRKick: no IR device available.
[02:13] <MickMcMack> no_gatez_fan, true - It's probably just that I've only really noticed it recently.
[02:13] <no_gatez_fan> perhaps
[02:13] <Tuxist> have anybody solution with new nvidia and ubuntu dapper
[02:13] <linkd> glick: hmm, im reading the gtk-gnutella FAQ and it says you dont *need* ports forwarding but it works better if u do
[02:14] <glick> linkd, right
[02:14] <linkd> http://gtk-gnutella.sourceforge.net/en/?page=faq#gnet1
[02:14] <glick> linkd, yeah i read that too
[02:14] <glick> which is why im confused
[02:14] <linkd> ah :/
[02:14] <glick> what else is there besides gtk-gnutella?
[02:14] <Toma-> glick: limewire
[02:14] <linkd> limewire
[02:14] <glick> oh god
[02:14] <linkd> do u have any error messages associated with the connection issue?
[02:15] <Toma-> glick: nicotine, or even torrents
[02:15] <Inf3ctedFx> I have it, limewire.. it works just fine
[02:15] <glick> linkd, yeah here is a link http://pastebin.com/478262
[02:15] <Yagisan> Seveas: You know, if you were to ban both optus, and telstra, you would block a large portion of australia from connecting
[02:16] <BrainDeadKK> do it!
[02:16] <Wilf> Not me though :P
[02:16] <cvt|ubuntu> pictures looked stretched; does anyone know how to fix this/
[02:16] <Seveas> Yagisan, why would I want to do that?
[02:16] <cthulhu> Seveas i did  apt-get build-dep lirc, but i get the same message in IRKick: no IR device available.
[02:16] <Seveas> cthulhu, apt-get build dep only makes sure you can *compile* lirc
[02:16] <BrainDeadKK> lol. iinet eh wilf
[02:16] <linkd> glick: hmm those messages are what i get when i run it, except it works fine for me
[02:16] <jenda> Seveas: you wouldn't and that's his point.
[02:16] <cthulhu> Seveas, ohhh
[02:16] <linkd> glick: it does suggest upgrading to the latest version tho
[02:16] <cthulhu> ok
[02:16] <Wilf> Yep, the third biggest aussie ISP...
[02:16] <BrainDeadKK> actualy don't ban telstra, hobbsee is with them ;)
[02:16] <faked> hi arround, i just discovered "dapper" is really cool. You don't need root-permissions for all commands in /sbin :))
[02:16] <glick> right but this is the latest ubuntu version
[02:17] <BrainDeadKK> faked: pardon?
[02:17] <jbueler> can someone help me find 'growisofs' ?
[02:17] <BrainDeadKK> Wilf: I'm with Internode
[02:17] <linkd> indeed, but ubuntu versions are released awhile after the actual version is
[02:17] <Inf3ctedFx> glick: use limewire
[02:17] <faked> BrainDeadKK: every user can execute all commands from /sbin without sudo
[02:17] <Seveas> faked, that's not new in dapper
[02:18] <Wilf> BrainDeadKK, ah ok.
[02:18] <linkd> i have no idea what could be causing ur problem. i would suggest packet sniffing to locating possible problems, but thats abit excessive, so id suggest finding another peice of software
[02:18] <Toma-> there are no telstra or optus bans in the ban list.... what are u guys talking about?
[02:18] <faked> Seveas: the same in breezy??
[02:18] <linkd> if it doesnt work with other peices of software then at least u know its not the program!
[02:18] <Seveas> same in every distro
[02:18] <Seveas> even in every unix version
[02:18] <faked> Seveas: every user can use fdisk in every unix-version??
[02:19] <faked> Seveas: every user can use fdisk in every unix-version??
[02:19] <cthulhu> Seveas, i run make but it still didnt compile
[02:19] <Toma-> ouch
[02:19] <faked> Seveas: every user can use mkfs.xxx without sudo?
[02:19] <MickMcMack> -_-
[02:19] <Toma-> faked: yes. but you cant do squat with it
[02:19] <cthulhu> Seveas, i get the same errors
[02:20] <Toma-> faked: you need root persmissions to use /dev entries
[02:20] <glick> umm it looks like the 0.95.x series of gtk-gnutella have been banned and the 0.96.x versions are manditory according to the website
[02:20] <Toma-> faked: the mkfs command can be used to make virtual drives too. kinda like isos
[02:20] <glick> so who should i tell that to so they upgrade the versions?
[02:21] <faked> Toba: cfdisk /dev/hda works to me in dapper as user
[02:21] <Toma-> glick: i can connect with 0.95.4
[02:21] <linkd> glick: heh, that could indeed be a good reason
[02:21] <glick> so how do i let the maintainers know to upgrade it in the repos>
[02:21] <glick> ?
[02:21] <linkd> glick: hmm im not sure, ud have to look thru the ubuntu webby for contact details of someone i think.
[02:21] <Toma-> faked: well guess what u can do?
[02:21] <Toma-> thats right! file a bug! :D
[02:21] <Toma-> congrats.
[02:21] <faked> Toba: I just wrote a new partition table as user, thats fine :)
[02:22] <Toma-> its Toma- thx
[02:22] <faked> Toma-: a: I just wrote a new partition table as user, thats fine :)
[02:22] <faked> Toma-: oh, sorry
[02:22] <cthulhu> Seveas, i get the same errors when runing make
[02:22] <madeye> Seveas I have just formated that shared partition as FAT32, linux has no problem in seeing it, but windows cannot see it as VOLUM.
[02:22] <Seveas> cthulhu, in that case I have no diea
[02:23] <cthulhu> : (
[02:23] <Seveas> madeye, did you also change the partition type with cfdisk?
[02:23] <Toma-> faked: funny thing about development releases.... theyre whats called 'buggy'. meaning it has lots of bugs. its up to you to provide debugging output of all this to the development team, so they can further the production of a fantastic os.
[02:23] <madeye> Seveas No, I don't know what's cfdisk...
[02:23] <linkd> glick: there is actually .deb packages on the sf.net download page. i assume these are debian, not ubuntu, packages, but i like to live dangerously and it doesnt ussual do any harm :P
[02:24] <madeye> hmm
[02:24] <Yagisan> glick: file a bug at launchpad
[02:24] <faked> Toma-: do you know the link of ubuntu-bts?
[02:24] <madeye> Seveas ok i'll boot to linux now to do the cfdisk now, but to what type I have to change it /
[02:25] <glick> yeah im talkin to one of the ubuntu maintainerrs for that package right now
[02:25] <Inf3ctedFx> glick: what was the problem u had with gnutella?
[02:25] <Inf3ctedFx> it wont connect?
[02:25] <glick> Inf3ctedFx, its expired
[02:25] <Toma-> what the heck is ubuntu-bts?
[02:25] <glick> the version that comes with ubuntu
[02:26] <Seveas> madeye, cfdisk will tell you :)
[02:26] <Inf3ctedFx> well th?
[02:26] <viscount> Seveas, ah fixed it :) --purge java-gcj-compa
[02:26] <Inf3ctedFx> I just made a apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[02:26] <rikai> Happy giftmas to all.
[02:26] <viscount> compat*
[02:27] <Inf3ctedFx> glick:
[02:27] <linkd> heh, giftmas
[02:27] <Seveas> viscount, cool, I'll remember that trick
[02:27] <Inf3ctedFx> the 0.95 version?
[02:27] <MickMcMack> Freenode has a hangover from Christmas Eve dinner. -_-
[02:27] <viscount> rikai, coal for u
[02:27] <Seveas> MickMcMack, :)
[02:27] <glick> Inf3ctedFx, yeah its expored
[02:27] <glick> expired
[02:27] <Inf3ctedFx> danm it
[02:27] <rikai> viscount, sweet! i was thinking of having a winter babrecue anyway :)
[02:28] <Inf3ctedFx> ok, so has 2b the laters one?
[02:28] <jbueler> I need help installing growisofs
[02:28] <linkd> Inf3ctedFx: this is from the gtk-gnutella webby, dated 22 nov.: Version 0.96b is a beta version of forthcoming 0.96. It is now mandatory to use this beta version as the 0.95.x series is about to expire on November 26th.
[02:28] <SevenIsPrime> Hi everybody
[02:28] <thoreauputic> a lot of users are working on having a hangover tomorrow, judging by what's happening here today ;-)
[02:28] <jbueler> anyone help?
[02:28] <BrainDeadKK> lol
[02:28] <viscount> rikai, in that case im upgrading your coal to dung, have fun with that BBQ
[02:28] <Seveas> jbueler, sudo apt-get install dvd+rw-tools
[02:29] <rikai> viscount, ah, gottal loved steamed dung ;;<
[02:29] <viscount> haha ;p
[02:29] <SevenIsPrime> Can anyone help a Debian-user to convert to Kubuntu? I am fed up with ancient software from "stable" and frequent dependency hell in "testing" or "unstable".
[02:29] <viscount> dung is still a primare fuel source to many millions of people on earth
[02:30] <rikai> ubuntu's gtk-gnutela wont work any more?
[02:30] <jbueler> Seveas: growisofs comes with that package?
[02:30] <Seveas> jbueler, yes
[02:30] <BrainDeadKK> SevenIsPrime: we can try to help
[02:30] <viscount> Seveas, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=602913#post602913
[02:30] <jbueler> Seveas: ok thanks...
[02:31] <apricot> hello
[02:31] <HeartBT> Dapper users?
[02:31] <HeartBT> hi
[02:31] <BrainDeadKK> hi :) wb hea
[02:31] <BrainDeadKK> HeartBT:
[02:31] <SevenIsPrime> BrainDeadKK: Thanks. I am a bit reluctant to change because there are so many debian packages out there. Can I use debian packages in Kubuntu or only "Kubuntu-way-of-debian" packages?
[02:31] <apricot> please, why does a long time for configuring network devices on startup?
[02:32] <Seveas> SevenIsPrime, (K)Ubuntu have all that's in Debian
[02:32] <HeartBT> Hey, off work now.
[02:32] <SevenIsPrime> apricot: Perhaps because you are not connected to a network?
[02:32] <BrainDeadKK> SevenIsPrime: it's recomended to use th (k)ubuntu packages
[02:32] <BrainDeadKK> but you can use debians if you have to
[02:32] <apricot> ?
[02:32] <SevenIsPrime> BrainDeadKK: Ok. So "aptitude" or "apt-get" are still available and used for Kubuntu?
[02:32] <Inf3ctedFx> so glick  do u recomend gtk-gnutella instead limewire?
[02:32] <SevenIsPrime> BrainDeadKK: Just a different repository is used?
[02:32] <Ubunti_Ki> what's the URL that guides ubuntu ?
[02:32] <vivid> isnt kubuntu ubuntu with kde instead of gnome?
[02:32] <tom> where can I find grub-set-default in ubuntu ? (dapper)
[02:32] <BrainDeadKK> SevenIsPrime: yes to both
[02:32] <BrainDeadKK> vivid: yes
[02:33] <HeartBT> BrainDeadKK, you run dapper,  you have networkmanager on there?
[02:33] <Ubunti_Ki> vivid, yes
[02:33] <SevenIsPrime> apricot: There are some nasty timeouts if you are not connected to a network or wait for DHCP to not find a server
[02:33] <glick> Inf3ctedFx, hell yes
[02:33] <vivid> so why would they use something other than apt-get..
[02:33] <johndarkhorse> BrainDeadKK: not so. debian binaries can mungle the machine
[02:33] <SevenIsPrime> BrainDeadKK: Cool.
[02:33] <BrainDeadKK> HeartBT: yeh
[02:33] <Inf3ctedFx> look these 2 ...
[02:33] <Inf3ctedFx>  	GTK1_gtk-gnutella_0.96.0-0_i386.deb   	1969168  	951  	i386  	.deb
[02:33] <Inf3ctedFx>   	GTK2_gtk-gnutella_0.96.0-0_i386.deb 	2014864 	1827 	i386 	.deb
[02:33] <apricot> ok, how to disable
[02:33] <SevenIsPrime> BrainDeadKK: Which version should I try, the dapper beta or the ... errm .. .breezy stable?
[02:33] <HeartBT> BrainDeadKK, how's it working?  snags, bugs, blah, blah.
[02:33] <johndarkhorse> BrainDeadKK: better to use debian source and build it (or have apt build it)
[02:33] <Ubunti_Ki> Strange that when I boot my Laptop it reads Ubuntu....not kubuntu.....but it reads Kubuntu in my other laptop.
[02:33] <Inf3ctedFx> which one?
[02:33] <BrainDeadKK> johndarkhorse: wasnt the question 'but different repositories'?
[02:34] <linkd> Inf3ctedFx: yea but those are debian packages, may not work on ubuntu at all :P
[02:34] <BrainDeadKK> HeartBT: don't use it. i do my network config by hand
[02:34] <linkd> Inf3ctedFx: im just about to install gtk1 anyway ill let u know how it goes if u like
[02:34] <apricot> it tells me configuring network devices
[02:34] <apricot> what is it doing?
[02:34] <glick> Inf3ctedFx, the latest version
[02:34] <SevenIsPrime> BrainDeadKK: If I understand right, the "infrastructure" of Kubuntu is the same as debians. You just use a different installer and different packages. Correct?
[02:34] <HeartBT> BrainDeadKK, your hardcore man.  just too hardcore.
[02:34] <Inf3ctedFx> ok linkd  r u going to install deb package?
[02:34] <linkd> meh yea that worked fine. not as good looking as the preversion ubuntu package but it works
[02:35] <linkd> thats correct Inf3ctedFx
[02:35] <Inf3ctedFx> glick:  those r the latest version
[02:35] <linkd> *previous
[02:35] <BrainDeadKK> SevenIsPrime: basicly yes. but with sudo (main difference)
[02:35] <glick> Inf3ctedFx, no the latest ubuntu versions are not the latest version
[02:35] <BrainDeadKK> HeartBT: no, it's just eaier over ssh ;)
[02:35] <glick> the latest ubuntu version is infact expired
[02:35] <glick> and wont work anymore
[02:35] <Toma-> glick: works fine here
[02:35] <SevenIsPrime> BrainDeadKK: So any user can screw up the system by automatically sudoing for apt-get???
[02:35] <Inf3ctedFx> no glick . i'm going to donwload it from sourceforge
[02:35] <glick> Toma-, what version
[02:36] <linkd> glick: he was working about the debian packages the gtk-gnutella team offer on sourceforge
[02:36] <linkd> *talking
[02:36] <SevenIsPrime> BrainDeadKK: I'd rather just have root to be able to install software etc.
[02:36] <glick> ah
[02:36] <glick> yah
[02:36] <glick> the debian one has a later one
[02:36] <johndarkhorse> SevenIsPrime: the infrastructure of kubuntu, xubuntu and ubuntu are the same. they are based on debian "source" not debian binaries
[02:36] <BrainDeadKK> SevenIsPrime: your first user is like root
[02:36] <Toma-> 0.95.4
[02:36] <HeartBT> BrainDeadKK, sure, Hey real quick, if your running cd2, tell me what version NM you have there?
[02:36] <BrainDeadKK> just not as powerfull
[02:36] <Inf3ctedFx> Toma-:  did u install the deb package?
[02:36] <SevenIsPrime> johndarkhorse: Thanks for the info :
[02:36] <glick> Toma-, the website says the the .95.x are expireing and it will be manditory to upgrade
[02:36] <Toma-> nope
[02:36] <johndarkhorse> BrainDeadKK: sudo is just as 'powerful' as a root account
[02:36] <BrainDeadKK> HeartBT: sure
[02:36] <jenda> Anyone have experience with telnet?
[02:36] <SevenIsPrime> BrainDeadKK: ARGH! Thats like windoze!
[02:37] <linkd> jenda: what do u need to know?
[02:37] <SevenIsPrime> BrainDeadKK: So I have to add a second user and force him to be non-root??
[02:37] <BrainDeadKK> arh. what hvae i done now?
[02:37] <MickMcMack> xD!
[02:37] <BrainDeadKK> HeartBT: i just upgrade, i don't use the cds
[02:37] <johndarkhorse> SevenIsPrime: any additional users will not have sudo ability
[02:37] <Inf3ctedFx> so.. Toma-  is working the one comes with ubuntu?
[02:37] <apricot> what about modem connections, do i need to buy driver for my modem
[02:37] <BrainDeadKK> i have Gnome 2.13.3
[02:37] <apricot> what about modem connections, do i need to buy driver for my modem
[02:37] <SevenIsPrime> johndarkhorse: So if I call the first user "root" all is well?
[02:38] <johndarkhorse> SevenIsPrime: i wouldn't
[02:38] <apricot> realy?
[02:38] <Toma-> Inf3ctedFx: correct-a-mundo.
[02:38] <HeartBT> BrainDeadKK, so you're running cvs, basically, not going to help me.  Thanks, bbiab.
[02:38] <SevenIsPrime> johndarkhorse: I just want root to be root. Nobody else.
[02:38] <BrainDeadKK> HeartBT: no, I'm not runnign cvs. I'm running dapper
[02:38] <jenda> linkd: I cannot access my router's (zyxel prestige 650R-33) web configurator (anymore - It used to work). So I'm trying to either enable it again, or at least find out my PC's IP address and set up a port forward (44990) to it.
[02:38] <johndarkhorse> SevenIsPrime: use a user name that is not "root" cuz *buntu doesnt work well with 'root' as a username
[02:38] <Inf3ctedFx> www.notpron.com <-- check this out.. whoevee play this one let me know, I'm stock on lvl 20  :(
[02:38] <SevenIsPrime> johndarkhorse: Sounds like apples approach ...
[02:38] <MickMcMack> I hate that site.
[02:39] <MickMcMack> So much.
[02:39] <johndarkhorse> SevenIsPrime: and it works fine.
[02:39] <Inf3ctedFx> lol MickMcMack  why?
[02:39] <MickMcMack> Frustration++.
[02:39] <zoka> is it possible to put in the file browser toolbar custom tools, I would like to put terminal shortcut there and when click to open terminal with that working directory
[02:39] <SevenIsPrime> johndarkhorse: So I have to keep in mind not to work as "root" or my first user, instead of just root. Strange concept.
[02:39] <Inf3ctedFx> well linkd works?
[02:39] <MickMcMack> zoka, Konqueror already has that.
[02:39] <jenda> SevenIsPrime: You can enable the root account from a normal user's account. If you want, you can then remove the normal user... bt not recommended, I guess :)
[02:39] <zoka> I use ubuntu
[02:39] <linkd> jenda: eeek. routers are normally located about <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS> for most home routers.
[02:39] <zoka> and gnome
[02:40] <linkd> jenda: have u tried using those IPs in a browser?
[02:40] <Inf3ctedFx> <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:40] <johndarkhorse> SevenIsPrime: i'm not privy to the start of your line of chat, what is the matter with your prime user?
[02:40] <MickMcMack> Does Konqueror not work with GNOME? :s
[02:40] <jenda> linkd: I know the IP - <IP_ADDRESS> and I can connect to it useing telnet, but not firefox.
[02:40] <SevenIsPrime> johndarkhorse: Hmm ... I just don't see any reason for not calling it "root"
[02:40] <MickMcMack> SevenIsPrime, your first user is NOT root.
[02:41] <zoka> zoran@ubuntuzoran:~$ konqueror
[02:41] <zoka> bash: konqueror: command not found
[02:41] <johndarkhorse> MickMcMack: anything you can d/l from the repos will work anywhere on *buntu
[02:41] <SevenIsPrime> MickMcMack: That's why I "complain".
[02:41] <johndarkhorse> zoka: have you installed konqueror?
[02:41] <MickMcMack> SevenIsPrime, your first user, as it were, is the only user who has the ability to su to root.
[02:41] <glick> works like a charm again
[02:41] <linkd> hmm, jenda, the only reason i could think of that happening if the routers http daemon had a problem and died, you could try restarting the router by turning off the power and see if that works, other than that, "telnet <IP_ADDRESS>" then type in ur user/pass
[02:41] <johndarkhorse> SevenIsPrime: sudo gives you the same powers as a root account
[02:41] <Toma-> glick: new gtk-gnuetlla?
[02:41] <Inf3ctedFx> glick:  what the gtk-gnutella?
[02:41] <SevenIsPrime> MickMcMack: I understand. So ... why on earth not stick with the "root" as first user concept and leave it as it was?
[02:41] <MickMcMack> johndarkhorse, some Window Managers don't like some DE programs.
[02:41] <glick> Toma-, Inf3ctedFx  yeah
[02:42] <Inf3ctedFx> which one the one from ubuntu or the deb package
[02:42] <Toma-> rad. im downloading now, just for the hell of it :D
[02:42] <SevenIsPrime> johndarkhorse: I know and I think it opens a can of worms security wise to give that sudo power to the user.
[02:42] <jenda> linkd: I can get through with telnet. But I don't know how to set up port forwarding in there, nor look at the IP table.
[02:42] <freak4pc> hey
[02:42] <glick> Inf3ctedFx, the maintainer walked me through downloading the source from debian mirrors and making a ubuntu package
[02:42] <freak4pc> How are everyone? :-)
[02:42] <SevenIsPrime> johndarkhorse: All I am wondering is why you need to have that "sudo" power as a user. Be you "first" user or anybody else that is non-root.
[02:42] <Toma-> hmmmm with the deb control_file?
[02:43] <Inf3ctedFx> show me the website so I can do it glick
[02:43] <jenda> SevenIsPrime: so that you don't need to switch users all the time
[02:43] <freak4pc> Does anybody know where i can get an Assembly Compiler and IDE?
[02:43] <MickMcMack> SevenIsPrime, ubuntu is aimed at desktops. Where the first user WANTS to be able to use root without having to actually switch users.
[02:43] <linkd> jenda: i think u might want to consult ur routers manual for info on that, im not sure how to do that.
[02:43] <SevenIsPrime> jenda: Pardon me, but I work months on a reguar account without a need to switch accounts.
[02:43] <glick> Inf3ctedFx, there is no website i chatted with the maintainer
[02:44] <glick> if you want i can send you the .deb i just built
[02:44] <Inf3ctedFx> I dont get it glick  sorry I'm kind of new on linux
[02:44] <SevenIsPrime> jenda: After a system is set up, you don't need root access unless you want to fiddle with the configuration or add/remove software.
[02:44] <glick> i dont really know what i did
[02:44] <freak4pc> anyone?
[02:44] <Inf3ctedFx> ok glick  will b good
[02:44] <Inf3ctedFx> can u send me that?
[02:44] <glick> you want it?
[02:44] <glick> yeah sure
[02:44] <jenda> linkd: Ah well... not much in there. Unless I found a better online manual... thanks anyway
[02:44] <linkd> glick: did it look as good as the previous version? or does it look like the old gtk?
[02:44] <MickMcMack> SevenIsPrime, on a Desktop, you want to add/remove software almost all the time.
[02:44] <MickMcMack> :s
[02:44] <freak4pc> Does anybody know where i can get an Assembly Compiler and IDE?
[02:44] <linkd> jenda: sorry i couldnt help more :(
[02:44] <glick> linkd, it looks the same except it works well
[02:44] <MickMcMack> freak4pc, give me a sex.
[02:44] <MickMcMack> *sec
[02:45] <MickMcMack> **sec
[02:45] <freak4pc> k , thank u
[02:45] <freak4pc> xD
[02:45] <linkd> glick: ill have a copy of the .deb then if ur offering :P
[02:45] <MickMcMack> Bad Mick. :(
[02:45] <Toma-> glick: did you comple it with --with-gtk2 ?
[02:45] <SevenIsPrime> MickMcMack: Nope, I don't. And I sure as hell don't want all the other users in a larger installation to do that. They should *use* the system *I* install.
[02:45] <glick> Toma-, no
[02:45] <MickMcMack> SevenIsPrime, the other users can't.
[02:45] <Toma-> oic.
[02:45] <glick> Inf3ctedFx, accept it
[02:45] <Inf3ctedFx> ?? what it doesnt show me any dcc glick
[02:46] <SevenIsPrime> MickMcMack: So they can't work on Kubuntu then, according to Kubuntu-Logic that you need "root" privileges to use a desktop.
[02:46] <glick> Inf3ctedFx, msg me your email and ill just send it to you as an attachment
[02:46] <SevenIsPrime> *sigh*
[02:46] <freak4pc> rofl... :)
[02:46] <Toma-> oh sweet. the deb file from the homepage has gtk2 enabled.... works fine...
[02:46] <MickMcMack> freak4pc, http://www.gnu.org/software/binutils/
[02:46] <SevenIsPrime> I think my quest for a linux distro continues ...
[02:47] <Toma-> SevenIsPrime: i think youre missing the point...
[02:47] <freak4pc> MickMcMack, its only a compiler no? ... im looking for an IDE as well...
[02:47] <SevenIsPrime> Toma-: Ok, tell me then :)
[02:47] <johndarkhorse> SevenIsPrime: kubuntu and ubuntu are the same thing, they both use sudo, or kdesu or gksudo
[02:47] <MickMcMack> Ah, freak4pc sorry, I don't know about that. :(
[02:47] <freak4pc> ahh bummer , anyone else maybe?
[02:48] <freak4pc> anyone knows where can i get a linux version of Bloodshed Dev-C++ ? ... and what do you think about gDeveloper?
[02:48] <freak4pc> kDeveloper i mean ...
[02:48] <SevenIsPrime> johndarkhorse: yeah. I have read the "history" of Kubuntu and edubuntu and Ubuntu. I still don't see the use for a root user that is not root. If you want to be root, become root. If you want to have regular users, pick your account.
[02:49] <Toma-> ok, Ubuntu is for the desktop user that (unknowingly), really doesnt need the entire root privliges. its only really required for installing new packages, updating and some other tedious commands. By denying a root terminal by default, it protects the user from him/herself, from running commands that could damage, or making files that have only root permisssions in the users dir
[02:49] <MickMcMack> freak4pc, http://www.thefreecountry.com/compilers/assemblers.shtml
[02:49] <Toma-> as to my knowledge anyway
[02:49] <johndarkhorse> SevenIsPrime: if you want to be root, do it. the ubuntu dev team thought long and hard to come up with the 'sudo' model and it works fine
[02:49] <Inf3ctedFx> glick:  did u get my email?
[02:49] <MickMcMack> freak4pc, look at the TMA Assmebler.
[02:49] <freak4pc> ok ill see, thanks
[02:49] <SevenIsPrime> johndarkhorse: The next thing they are gonna introduce then is "automatic installation of everything with full root privileges via email", so Linux finally can have all the worms, viruses and spyware Windows users enjoy so much.
[02:49] <freak4pc> Last question , anyone knows a good sound-editing program?
[02:49] <nuke> j #constanta
[02:49] <johndarkhorse> freak4pc: audacity
[02:49] <glick> Inf3ctedFx, yeah
[02:49] <glick> Inf3ctedFx, its sent
[02:50] <Inf3ctedFx> ok thx glick let me check
[02:50] <freak4pc> johndarkhorse, its good? thanks...
[02:50] <MickMcMack> SevenIsPrime, are you just here to Troll? And on Christmas too? :(
[02:50] <Toma-> SevenIsPrime: sigh. if youre going to troll, plz dont make me type meanings of things.
[02:50] <apricot> how to disable clock syncronising on the startup?
[02:50] <dsl361> can anyone point me a the min spec's for ubuntu/edbuntu ? im thinking of setting it up for my kid and i have a spare pc, but i want to know what it needs...
[02:50] <SevenIsPrime> MickMcMack: No, sorry.
[02:50] <dukebody> I have a problem with Grip audio extractor could anybody help me? it says (grip:10280): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_ text()
[02:50] <johndarkhorse> MickMcMack: perhaps following the other fine examples?
[02:50] <dukebody> (grip:10280): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_hide: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget )' failed
[02:50] <SevenIsPrime> MickMcMack: Merry Christmas by the way :)
[02:50] <freak4pc> its possible to compile DC on ubuntu right?
[02:50] <Toma-> apricot: "sudo update-rc.d remove ntpdate"
[02:50] <apricot> yeah, merry christmas everyone
[02:50] <johndarkhorse> freak4pc: dc clients are available
[02:50] <SevenIsPrime> MickMcMack: My reason for showing up is that my Debian "testing" has removed a bunch of software I need, like k3b.
[02:51] <MickMcMack> johndarkhorse, it's a sad, sad world indeedly.
[02:51] <Inf3ctedFx> question glick  is this the same package offer on sourceforge?
[02:51] <SevenIsPrime> MickMcMack: I was looking for a "better" Debian.
[02:51] <freak4pc> johndarkhorse, thank you again man... Happy XMAS EVERYONE , And happy HANNUKA FROM ISRAEL ;)
[02:51] <glick> Inf3ctedFx, i dont know i just did what the maintainer told me to do
[02:51] <MickMcMack> freak4pc, you're from Israel?
[02:51] <MickMcMack> Where abouts?
[02:51] <SevenIsPrime> Toma-: I am not trolling, I am just trying to understand why you want a "sudo" concept.
[02:51] <glick> Inf3ctedFx, check the versions
[02:51] <glick> Inf3ctedFx, the deb i sent you is THE latest one
[02:51] <freak4pc> MickMcMack, yes is am ... :)
[02:51] <glick> thats all i know
[02:51] <MickMcMack> freak4pc, my parents used to live in Rammat Gan. ^^
[02:52] <Toma-> SevenIsPrime: to ensure there is no PEBKAC!
[02:52] <Inf3ctedFx> look thise website glick --> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=4467  and tell me if is the same one
[02:52] <SevenIsPrime> Toma-: What's PEBKAC?
[02:52] <freak4pc> MickMcMack, oh nice... its close to the center... i live in the south - Ashkelo.
[02:52] <linkd> glick: would u be able to mail me a copy? :(
[02:52] <freak4pc> *Ashkelon
[02:52] <MickMcMack> freak4pc, nice, and happy Hanukkah to you too. :)
[02:52] <glick> linkd, whats ytour email
[02:52] <freak4pc> thank you :)
[02:52] <Toma-> "problem Exists between keyboard and computer" ie, you
[02:52] <Toma-> i think
[02:52] <glick> Inf3ctedFx, yah looks like it
[02:52] <Toma-> ahhhhh
[02:52] <linkd> glick: its in a PM to u
[02:53] <Toma-> "problem Exists between keyboard and chair" ie, you
[02:53] <Toma-> sorry :D
[02:53] <freak4pc> well im going to get rid of win  xp sp2 and try out the new Breezy Badger 64Bit... :-)
[02:53] <Inf3ctedFx> but there is 2 of them glick a GTK1 and GTK2 whats the diference>?
[02:53] <apricot> file does not exist
[02:53] <MickMcMack> Ooh, Toma-, I like that acronym, I am going to steal it now. :O
[02:53] <Toma-> Inf3ctedFx: gtk2 is nicer
[02:53] <linkd> Inf3ctedFx: the version of GTK.
[02:53] <apricot> do i need to be root?
[02:53] <SevenIsPrime> Toma-: Hmm ... I always thought the strict separation of "users" and "root" was one of the more brilliant ways to ensure "PEBKAC" has minimum impact.
[02:53] <johndarkhorse> apricot: you never need to be 'root'
[02:53] <Toma-> SevenIsPrime: exactly.
[02:53] <Toma-> user never becomes root in ubuntu
[02:53] <Inf3ctedFx> linkd:  if I decide to download one of those which one is good for ubuntu?
[02:53] <freak4pc> cya guyz , ill be back after installation ;)
[02:54] <johndarkhorse> SevenIsPrime: and that is the reason that "sudo" exists
[02:54] <linkd> Inf3ctedFx: id use the copy glick sent u over those.
[02:54] <Inf3ctedFx> Toma-:  what about sudo -s?
[02:54] <SevenIsPrime> Toma-: So why is "give root power to the user" a way to prevent "PEBKAC"?
[02:54] <apricot> i cannot install some apps if i am not root. help, please!
[02:54] <johndarkhorse> Inf3ctedFx: sudo -i is better
[02:54] <glick> sent linkd
[02:54] <Inf3ctedFx> ok
[02:54] <linkd> Inf3ctedFx: if i understand him, its just the gtk2 one of those but made up to be compatible with ubuntu
[02:54] <linkd> glick: thx
[02:54] <johndarkhorse> SevenIsPrime: join #ubuntu-offtopic please to continue this thread
[02:54] <Toma-> SevenIsPrime: its not root power dood.
[02:54] <dukebody> i have problems with grip, the cd ripper, it gives me: i have a problem with grip, the cd audio ripper, It gives me: (grip:10280): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_ tex
[02:54] <SevenIsPrime> johndarkhorse: Ok, so how does it work then. User "bla" (first user on Kubuntu) wants to launch "aptitude". What happens?
[02:54] <glick> np linkd
[02:55] <Toma-> SevenIsPrime: its like, sudo = 'asking root if it can do this special command'
[02:55] <Toma-> :/
[02:55] <johndarkhorse> Toma-: SevenIsPrime #ubuntu-offtopic please
[02:55] <MickMcMack> SevenIsPrime, I think you should actually see sudo in action before commenting.
[02:55] <apricot> can user have all the powers as root, and how please, tell me again!!!
[02:55] <Toma-> sorry, i dont care anymore
[02:55] <MickMcMack> Eep, sorry. :<
[02:55] <bolrod> apricot: you dont want all the powers root has
[02:55] <Inf3ctedFx> Thc glick  is working fine
[02:56] <apricot> ak, i dont, is it possible?
[02:56] <bolrod> erh
[02:56] <bolrod> probably
[02:56] <bolrod> root is a user
[02:56] <Toma-> Blue-Omega: thats an interesting adress u have there :D
[02:56] <garnett> hi
[02:56] <glick> welcome Inf3ctedFx
[02:56] <apricot> ok
[02:56] <garnett> hi
[02:56] <bolrod> you could try renaming root I guess
[02:57] <garnett> hello glick
[02:57] <apricot> ok
[02:57] <glick> hi garnett
[02:57] <voidfx> I'm getting xsession errors when trying to log in as my normal user
[02:57] <garnett> how old are u
[02:58] <HeartBT> what is all the concern over root?  95% of the time you don't need it, and it's a nice thing to keep locked up and out of harms way.
[02:58] <cmatheson>  voidfx what are they?
[02:58] <glick> garnett, why?
[02:58] <apricot> we want the root!
[02:58] <Seveas> voidfx, paste the errors on the pastbin
[02:58] <voidfx> cmatheson should I maybe paste the error log somewhere?
[02:58] <apricot> give as the root
[02:58] <garnett> what r u talkn about glck
[02:58] <apricot> !
[02:58] <Seveas> apricot, ...
[02:58] <ubotu> apricot: No idea
[02:58] <niffe> i have too some errors...
[02:58] <cmatheson> yes.. see the pasetebin in /topic
[02:59] <apricot> give people the root! :)
[02:59] <bolrod> for what?
[02:59] <jenda> voidfx: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[02:59] <Seveas> apricot, get some ritalin oslt and don't be a nuisance...
[02:59] <apricot> power to the people.
[02:59] <glick> i want the fifa 2006 soundtrack
[02:59] <apricot> ok, i'll stop
[02:59] <bolrod> yes....
[02:59] <bolrod> you'll break it when you're root
[02:59] <Seveas> glick, you won't get it in here..
[02:59] <jenda> apricot: you should... the ops are strict here
[02:59] <garnett> where is the download linux game
[02:59] <voidfx> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6155
[03:00] <Toma-> hey Seveas, sorry bout the question before. didnt know u had mirrors
[03:00] <jenda> garnett: what?
[03:00] <glick> no i wont Seveas but i needed gtk-gnutella working to get it :)
[03:00] <niffe> voidfx: im having exatct same error
[03:00] <niffe> i bypass it trought
[03:00] <Seveas> voidfx, ifconfig -a
[03:00] <Seveas> is lo up?
[03:00] <Seveas> if not: ifup lo
[03:00] <Seveas> and put /etc/network/interfaces on the pastebin
[03:01] <apricot> ok, my sudo update-rc.d remove ntpdate does not work, says file does not exist, did i wrote it good?!
[03:01] <ompaul> j-linux, how did you get on?
[03:01] <Seveas> apricot,
[03:01] <Seveas> no
[03:01] <Seveas> update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove
[03:01] <voidfx> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6156
[03:02] <apricot> ok, ow is good
[03:02] <niffe> Seveas: im having same proplem, ifup lo says networks already configurated
[03:02] <apricot> now
[03:02] <niffe> configured
[03:02] <j-linux> ompaul:  great... thanks.  It works now.
[03:02] <ompaul> j-linux, :-)
[03:02] <Seveas> voidfx, did you play with a firewall?
[03:02] <j-linux> ompaul:  Still not a dual boot, but I know it is possible now.
[03:03] <voidfx> Seveas not to the best of my knowledge, but I'm still very much the newb.
[03:03] <apricot> tnx, it is all for now, bye
[03:03] <Seveas> voidfx, very weird then
[03:03] <ompaul> j-linux, well if you wanted to do that the time to install that other thing is now :-) before you get too much installed and end up giving yourself problems
[03:03] <Seveas> voidfx, ls -al ~ (as you, not as root) and output on the pastebin
[03:03] <j-linux> I'm going to try partitioning the drive first, then installing Windows to just the partition (don't know if the recovery disks will allow it).  If it takes too much time I'll buy another hard drive (40GB) and put it in the Ultrabay... supposedly you can boot from a HD in the U;trabay
[03:03] <voidfx> Seveas I did download a bunch of stuff from the repository...
[03:04] <ompaul> j-linux, but know this first, I have spent 10 years without that company providing my home operating system
[03:04] <voidfx> seveas it won't let me log in, I get that error and then it bounces me back to login screen
[03:04] <j-linux> ompaul: I was going to delete the Ubuntu and start from scratch.. with Windows installed first.
[03:04] <j-linux> This is my work computer.
[03:04] <j-linux> actually, my only computer :S
[03:04] <ompaul> j-linux, what kind of work do you do
[03:04] <mahangu> i used kde once or twice and now my bootup splash says kubuntu
[03:04] <Seveas> voidfx, then do it in a terminal via <alt><f1>
[03:04] <j-linux> web design and marketing
[03:04] <mahangu> how can i change this back
[03:05] <Seveas> voidfx, in the terminal: wget http://ubuntulinux.nl/python/pastebin && ls -al ~ | python pastebin
[03:05] <ompaul> j-linux, so you can do all that on ubuntu :) you just need to find out what applications work for you to do the same job as in that other platform
[03:06] <ompaul> j-linux, you can even do the DB stuff on the box and show people what it would look like as they interacted with the interweb
[03:06] <voidfx> seveas I'm logged in as root via failsafe, is that ok?
[03:06] <Seveas> voidfx, in that case:
[03:06] <voidfx> /home/username?
[03:06] <ompaul> mahangu, have you gdm installed?
[03:06] <Seveas> voidfx, in the terminal: wget http://ubuntulinux.nl/python/pastebin && ls -al /home/your_normal_username | python pastebin
[03:06] <j-linux> Yeah... I use Quanta.. kate, emacs, whatever.  GIMP... although I need access to Windows.  Also do some VBA, etc.
[03:07] <dukebody> how can i find gtk-config in my filesystems? i got an error while ./configurin a program called ripperX
[03:07] <j-linux> OOo is not 100% compatible and it has caused problems with some spreadsheets when saving to xls and transferring back to windows.
[03:07] <penguin42> dukebody: Chances are that you don't have the gtk dev stuff
[03:08] <Toma-> j-linux: tried looking for your windows apps in here? http://appdb.winehq.org/
[03:08] <dukebody> what is the package name, penguin42 ?
[03:08] <j-linux> Usually ok though.. but sometimes prefer mission-critical stuff without the risk.
[03:08] <blaamann> dukebody: use apt-file
[03:08] <voidfx> seveas, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6157
[03:08] <voidfx> seveas, it suffered an error of some sort.
[03:08] <Seveas> yeah
[03:08] <Seveas> an error in my brain
[03:08] <Evil_Whisper> Hi Guys
[03:08] <penguin42> dukebody: I'm thinking perhaps libgtk2.0-dev
[03:08] <Seveas> voidfx, in the terminal: wget http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/pastebin && ls -al /home/your_normal_username | python pastebin
[03:09] <Evil_Whisper> When I open anything with wine even just winecfg it fills up my swap and slows everything down anyone know a fix or have had the same issue?
[03:09] <burning_bronx> Evil_Whisper, best fix is - don't use wine >.>
[03:10] <dukebody> penguin42, i looked into my installed packages and i already have libgtk2.0-dev installed.
[03:10] <penguin42> dukebody: Hmm OK - what error is it you get exactly?
[03:10] <blaamann> dukebody: try 'locate gtk-config'
[03:10] <voidfx> seveas, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6158
[03:11] <Seveas> yup, I see it already
[03:11] <penguin42> blaamann: Interesting my machine doesn''t have that and neither does an apt-file search
[03:11] <j-linux> ompaul: looks like Wine is improving.  Will probably get Crossover Office soon.
[03:11] <Seveas> you have run some (probably) KDE apps as root in a gnome environment
[03:11] <ompaul> j-linux, it is great :)
[03:11] <dukebody> The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found
[03:11] <dukebody>  ..... blabla ... is gtk-config in path?
[03:11] <voidfx> seveas, yeah, smb4k probably
[03:11] <Seveas> j-linux, rm -f /hpme/neil/.ICEauthority
[03:11] <nmsa> I can not have the second lan configured properly, /etc/interfaces is the place for lan cards config?
[03:12] <ompaul> j-linux, but native is better
[03:12] <Seveas> voidfx(
[03:12] <Seveas> voidfx*
[03:12] <cmatheson> dukebody: you need to install the gtk development librarires
[03:12] <j-linux> Seveas: what is that?
[03:12] <cmatheson> nmsa: yes
[03:12] <Seveas> j-linux, something that was meant for voidfx :)
[03:12] <j-linux> oh
[03:12] <cmatheson> nmsa : /etc/network/interfaces
[03:12] <dukebody> blaamann, i used locate gtk-config and it returned /home/dukebody/.icons/gartoon/scalable/stock/gtk-configure.svg. I think this is not i'm lookin for
[03:13] <voidfx> seveas, I should rm -f /home/neil/.ICEauthority?
[03:13] <ompaul> j-linux, if you ever get a situation where the machine does not let you in and proclaims your session was less than 10 seconds then that command works :)
[03:13] <Seveas> voidfx, yes
[03:13] <j-linux> ompaul: I would prefer to get rid of Windows... maybe if I can fix my other laptop I will just put windows on that one only.  Keep this new one Linux-only.
[03:13] <Seveas> voidfx, and just to be sure: clean out /tmp
[03:13] <nmsa> cmatheson: ok, can I paste ou somewhere mz config ... is not comming up with ifup, not sure why  ...
[03:13] <ompaul> j-linux, now your thinking :)
[03:13] <Evil_Whisper> brb nvidia drivers
[03:13] <cmatheson> nmsa: sure, include the error you get when you run ifup too
[03:13] <Toma-> dukebody: gtk-config comes with gtk-dev
[03:13] <voidfx> seveas, just cd /tmp and rm *?
[03:14] <dukebody> cmatheson, i already have installed libgtk2.0-dev, ripperX says: checking for GTK - version >= 1.1.13... no
[03:14] <j-linux> The fonts are really small on this new computer 1400x1025 or something... There must be a way to increase font size...
[03:14] <Seveas> voidfx, yeah
[03:14] <cmatheson> dukebody: it doesn't want gtk2 it wants gtk1.2
[03:14] <voidfx> seveas, ok, now what if I want to use smb4k again?
[03:14] <cmatheson> j-linux: if you run gnome you could change the stuff in gnome-control-panel
[03:14] <dukebody> cmatheson, it wants higher or equal than 1.1.13
[03:14] <j-linux> cmatheson: XFCE...
[03:15] <troouble-boot> hi anyone who can help me to install grub for windows
[03:15] <Seveas> voidfx, use gksudo or sudo -i
[03:15] <dukebody> Toma-, how can i get gtk-dev package?
[03:15] <Seveas> not plain sudo
[03:15] <cmatheson> dukebody: if you want it to work, do what i said
[03:15] <Toma-> dukebody: i think im wrong :/
[03:15] <voidfx> seveas, what's the difference?
[03:15] <troouble-boot> http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/grub4dos/WINGRB0206.EXE i installed this
[03:15] <j-linux> Still have a lot to configure: 3D accelleration... dual boot, font size... but at least it is on the computer....
[03:15] <cmatheson> j-linux: hmm, sorry, i'm not so familiar w/ xfce... i would assume their control panel would have some sort of option though
[03:15] <Seveas> voidfx, that you can login afterwards :)
[03:16] <Seveas> voidfx, gui programs should *always* be started via gksudo instead of sudo
[03:16] <Seveas> or kdesu if you use kde
[03:16] <j-linux> cmatheson: thanks... I didn't see it before... just fixed it. :)
[03:16] <cmatheson> j-linux: np
[03:16] <Inf3ctedFx> ok I'm leaving, thx glick , linkd  and Toma-   I'll c u guys later
[03:16] <troouble-boot> i installed ubuntu now i installed windowsxp and the ubuntu grub loader vanished
[03:16] <Toma-> k.
[03:17] <dukebody> cmatheson, you were right
[03:17] <voidfx> seveas, what is gksudo?
[03:17] <troouble-boot> i downlaoed wingrub will it work
[03:17] <penguin42> dukebody: try an apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev
[03:17] <glick> later Inf3ctedFx
[03:17] <j-linux> 4:14am here... must get some sleep...
[03:17] <Seveas> voidfx, the thing that all menu entries that require you to type your pw use
[03:17] <niffe> Seveas: thx, that one helped for me.
[03:17] <topdeck> I received a Creative Zen Sleek for christmas, I tried to install and use gnomad2, but it is not detecting the player when it starts up
[03:17] <Seveas> graphical sudo
[03:17] <dukebody> penguin42, it worked, as cmatheson said, great thanks!
[03:17] <j-linux> ompaul: thanks again... took two days to get this far... :S
[03:17] <penguin42> cmatheson: So did gtk-config disappear in gtk2 ?
[03:17] <troouble-boot> why nobody can help me
[03:17] <SweetestSavage> Merry Christmas everybody =)
[03:18] <cmatheson> dukebody: np
[03:18] <ompaul> j-linux, some times it takes a little help
[03:18] <voidfx> seveas, ah...ok...so I just replace sudo with gksudo, and I should be ok, right?
[03:18] <ompaul> j-linux, it took you about 2 hours all in by the time you got to me :)
[03:18] <Seveas> voidfx, yup
[03:18] <ompaul> j-linux, and tjhat is well too much time
[03:18] <troouble-boot> why nobody can help me
[03:18] <voidfx> seveas, thanks a lot for your help
[03:18] <cmatheson> penguin42: gtk2 and gtk1.x are completely different beasts... so the test scripts just won't work between the two (they *shouldn't* work between the two), i think they did get rid of gtk-confgi though (there maybe be a gtk-config2.0?)
[03:19] <dukebody> Another question: why can i change root password while logged in as a admin-user?
[03:19] <johndarkhorse> dukebody: there is no active root account in ubuntu
[03:19] <johndarkhorse> ubotu tell dukebody about root
[03:19] <penguin42> cmatheson: Still, nice way to tell which version something is complaining about
[03:19] <voidfx> ubotu tell voidfx abot root
[03:19] <voidfx> ubotu tell voidfx about root
[03:19] <j-linux> ompaul:  Two hours is ok to fix a problem... Actually, from breakdown of my Toshiba it has taken me over 3 weeks to get this running.  Will be about a month by the time everything is reinstalled.
[03:20] <cmatheson> penguin42: yeah
[03:20] <ompaul> j-linux, well I only became aware of it today :)
[03:20] <j-linux> Most of that time was waiting for the computer to be shipped... :S
[03:20] <topdeck> I received a Creative Zen Sleek for christmas, I tried to install and use gnomad2, but it is not detecting the player when it starts up, my Ubuntu installation has always had problems detecting USB devices
[03:21] <dukebody> then johndarkhorse , who can change root password in ubuntu? all users? i have important files belonging to root account!
[03:21] <j-linux> They ship it from Hong Kong to Ontario... sits for a week in Ontario... THEN they do the 2-day shipping...
[03:21] <troouble-boot> i installed ubuntu now i installed windowsxp and the ubuntu grub loader vanished
[03:21] <johndarkhorse> dukebody: read the wiki page please that ubotu sent you the link for
[03:21] <Seveas> dukebody, only root can change the root password
[03:21] <cmatheson> dukebody: only users in the admin group are able to change your root password
[03:21] <j-linux> well... off to bed... goodnight and merry christmas/holidays....
[03:22] <penguin42> topdeck: Go to the System->Administration menu and select device manager and see if the device is shown somewhere down the list - if it is then you know at least the USB side of stuff is working
[03:23] <paal> !ask apt-get
[03:23] <ubotu> Not a clue, paal
[03:23] <paal> !ask deb
[03:23] <troouble-boot> i installed ubuntu now i installed windowsxp and the ubuntu grub loader vanished
[03:23] <ubotu> paal: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[03:23] <Ubunti_Ki> is ubuntuguide.org any good for ubuntu 5.10? its a guide for just 5.04
[03:23] <topdeck> I don't have that option, I do however have xffstab which lists devices in fstab, it is not listed in there
[03:23] <paal> hmm
[03:23] <Seveas> !tell paal about yourself
[03:24] <deFrysk>  Ubunti_Ki ubuntuguide is something to avoid for ever
[03:24] <cmatheson> Seveas: can a person using sudo not change the password after the root accout has been enabled? (e.g. wil it prompt him to enter the current root-password or something?)--i haven't played around w/ enabling the root account
[03:24] <paal> whats the command to install .deb packages?
[03:24] <ilba7r> where can i put my alias command so it will be automatically loaded as i log in
[03:24] <cmatheson> paal: dpkg
[03:24] <deFrysk> paal, sudo dpkg -i
[03:24] <ilba7r> should it be in .bashrc and how about if i want it loaded for all users?
[03:25] <Seveas> cmatheson, with sudo you effectively become root and thus can change the root password
[03:25] <deFrysk> paal make sure its an ubuntu.beb
[03:25] <deFrysk> deb*
[03:25] <cmatheson> Seveas: ok that's what i was thinking
[03:25] <johndarkhorse> Ubunti_Ki: ubuntuguide will break your box, use help.ubuntu.com
[03:25] <Ubunti_Ki> deFrysk, Is there any site for 5.10?
[03:25] <Seveas> cmatheson, you can restrict sudo to only allow certain commands though :)
[03:25] <johndarkhorse> Ubunti_Ki: see above
[03:25] <jenda> What's the best game I can apt-get and play for half an hour?
[03:25] <Ubunti_Ki> ok thanks johndarkhorse
[03:26] <cmatheson> Seveas: yeah, that's pretty rad... i had no idea how flexible sudo was until i started using ubuntu
[03:26] <deFrysk> Ubunti_Ki, the homebutton on your firefox should take you to your help
[03:26] <cmatheson> jenda: i like circuslinux... don't know if i'd play for half an hour or not
[03:26] <Seveas> deFrysk, really? :)
[03:26] <deFrysk> ubuntulog, otherwise try http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html
[03:26] <cmatheson> jenda: you could check out happypenguin.org if you're interested in gaming (and don't forget nethack..)
[03:26] <jenda> cmatheson: righty sudo apt...
[03:26] <dukebody> thanks you all for your help!!! goodbye
[03:26] <jenda> cmatheson: lol... thanks. I'll leave nethack for now :)
[03:27] <cmatheson> hehe';
[03:27] <deFrysk> Ubunti_Ki, or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[03:27] <Ubunti_Ki> deFrysk, many thanks
[03:27] <topdeck> penguin42, the only things listed as being there are my /, /home, cdrom, and Proc
[03:27] <deFrysk> Ubunti_Ki, many welcomes ;)
[03:28] <joserafael> hola, alguien habla espaol?
[03:28] <ilba7r> where should i put the aliasses i use so it is automatically loaded for all users?
[03:28] <Seveas> !es
[03:28] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:28] <deFrysk> !es
[03:28] <deFrysk> dang!
[03:28] <Seveas> ilba7r, /etc/bash/bashrc
[03:28] <deFrysk> too late
[03:28] <Seveas> ilba7r, /etc/bash.bashrc
[03:28] <Paradoxx> !share
[03:28] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, Paradoxx
[03:28] <Paradoxx> !filesharing
[03:28] <ubotu> Paradoxx: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:28] <ilba7r> thanx seveas
[03:29] <Paradoxx> any1 kno how i can share some folders i have on my machine with a Linux box?
[03:29] <voidfx> seveas, no good...
[03:29] <cmatheson> Paradoxx: nfs, (s)ftp, rsync
[03:29] <Seveas> voidfx, ?
[03:29] <johndarkhorse> Paradoxx: ask a question to the folks in here, please
[03:29] <Paradoxx> !samba
[03:29] <ubotu> somebody said samba was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[03:30] <windmill_laptop> Paradoxx, you linux box should be able to connect to your windows share
[03:30] <Seveas> Paradoxx, system -> admin -> shared folders
[03:30] <topdeck> Whenever I try to plug in a USB device, be it a Memory Stick or mp3 player, my Ubuntu won't detect it, Im running 5.10 on a Latitude D610 laptop
[03:30] <Paradoxx> i don't recall what i had set my samba password to, would it be the same as my user login/
[03:31] <voidfx> seveas, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6159
[03:31] <cmatheson> topdeck: when you plug it in and then run 'dmesg | tail' does it see that you plugged anything in?
[03:31] <Xmasmoo> Paradoxx: Install Samba, add a Samba account bind to your user account
[03:31] <penguin42> topdeck: Hmm - the 'Device manager'  - not the disk manager; it should have a section on the left marked 'Devices' with 'Computer' at the top of it
[03:31] <troouble-boot> i installed ubuntu now i installed windowsxp and the ubuntu grub loader vanished
[03:31] <troouble-boot> can anyone help me or not
[03:31] <hyuhui> how to ues IRC