[00:04] <jmarsden> Well, you are still using whatever nameserver is running on <IP_ADDRESS> -- so dnsmasq is probably still involved?
[00:07] <jmarsden> cellofellow: How hard would it be for you to switch to bind for your local DNS server (the one on <IP_ADDRESS>) and repeat the experiment?
[00:08] <cellofellow> dunno, never used bind
[00:09] <cellofellow> but it seems to have nothing to do with dnsmasq or bind or whathaveyou, but the domain in the resolv.conf
[00:10] <jmarsden> How do you know?  The DNS server you are using is dnsmasq.  And that resolv.conf is fine, and I don't see that issue here using something similar and bind as the DNS server... and you originally stated that the issue was with "dnsmasq and /etc/resolv.conf" ...
[00:12] <jmarsden> You could turn up logging in dnsmasq and see what queries it receives with and without the search and domain entries in resolve.conf, if you want to track it down that way.
[01:52] <ThierryMoisan> hi, I'm setting up my first ubuntu server, it works correctly on the local network but even with a dyndns account pointing on my ip and port fordward, I can't get to connect to my server (but I can ping it)
[01:58] <BrixSat> Hello
[01:58] <BrixSat> How can i force my ubuntu server (gateway) to make local dns queries first then make it on the dns server from my isp?
[01:59] <BrixSat> any help?
[02:01] <jmarsden> BrixSat: You need to configure your local DNS server to use the ISP's DNS as a "forwarder".
[02:02] <BrixSat> well i have done that
[02:02] <BrixSat> but still going to isp
[02:03] <jmarsden> Is /etc/resolv.conf pointing at your local DNS server?
[02:03] <BrixSat> yes but every time i reboot it looses the info
[02:03] <jmarsden> Your server gets its IP address using DHCP?
[02:03] <BrixSat> yes
[02:04] <jmarsden> So every time you reboot it might end up on a different IP address?  That's awkward for servers, usually... there's a way to override the resolve.conf stuff... let me find it...
[02:04] <BrixSat> :)
[02:05] <jmarsden> Can you set the local DHCP server to hand out the option that sets the DNS server to (local IP of your server) ?
[02:06] <BrixSat> i did not understand it
[02:07] <BrixSat> my ubuntu server is acting as a gateway so on one nic modem adsl and on the other nic router's and stuff
[02:08] <Tweakin> anyone care to save the day with my postfix installation?
[02:08] <Tweakin> trying to solve the 'Relay access denied'
[02:11] <BrixSat> no jmarsden no i cant, it is the isp modem wich means it is stupid modem!
[02:11] <jmarsden> OK... there should be a way to override that behaviour, but I'm not finding it right now... I just make servers have static local IPs...
[02:14] <jmarsden> BrixSat: Try the idea at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=191239
[02:15] <BrixSat> another question, can i have on the gateway a dns entry www.campingave.net and not passing it to the net? cause i dont want to interfeer with the real site on the hosting server, i want to make like a mirror that everyone inside the network access the local copy and the internet users access the one on the hosting server
[02:16] <jmarsden> BrixSat: Yes, you can make your local DNS server believe it is the master for campingave.net if you want; only systems that do DNS lookups on it will use that info.
[02:16] <BrixSat> thanks ;)
[02:17] <jmarsden> You could also get tricky and have it only hand out its own info on the LAN interface (to local machines) with a view in named.conf, but that's probably not necessary for what you are doing.
[02:17] <BrixSat> ~:)
[02:17] <BrixSat> im going to try the link you give me
[02:17] <jmarsden> Tweakin: How are you wanting SMTP senders to authenticate with your server so they can send email through it?
[02:18] <Tweakin> hmm, not sure on the answer there. TLS?
[02:19] <Tweakin> I followed the Ubuntu Server Guide to get this all setup, so using postfix/dovecot
[02:19] <jmarsden> Sounds like you need to understand what relay denied means before you configre a mail server?
[02:19] <jmarsden> Yes, but how will users that want to send mail identify themselves to your server?
[02:20] <Tweakin> I do understand what it means ;) This is my first ubuntu postfix/dovecot config, I have used Gentoo in the past to setup several others. Gentoo is just getting to hard to maintain.
[02:20] <Tweakin> I was just unsure of the phrasing of your question
[02:20] <jmarsden> Will they all have local unix accounts on the server?  Use LDAP?  Some other database of users in a SQL databases...?
[02:20] <Tweakin> yup, local accounts
[02:20] <jmarsden> TLS has nothing to do with how users authenticate.
[02:21] <jmarsden> OK; did you use the dovecot-postfix package to integrate the two?
[02:21] <Tweakin> Is that what tasksel does when you first install ubuntu server edition? I would assume so.
[02:22] <jmarsden> Which release of Ubuntu Server are you using?
[02:22] <Tweakin> 8.04 LTS
[02:22] <jmarsden> OK, then I don't think it has that package.
[02:23] <jmarsden> I take it postfix works fine other that the user auth stuff... you can send mail from a local shell account on the server just fine, right?
[02:23] <Tweakin> yup, and receiving is working remotely. Just not sending remotely
[02:24] <jmarsden> The options for dovecot auth all changed recently, so looking at my Ubuntu 9.04 setup isn't going to help much...
[02:25] <Tweakin> yeah, I am following the 8.04 server guide
[02:25] <BrixSat> jmarsden :( i have rebooted the network, not working, should i reboot the pc?
[02:26] <jmarsden> BrixSat: Can you pastebin the output of postconf -n so I can see that config, and also /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf (i think that's the right file!)
[02:27] <jmarsden> BrixSat: You "rebooted the network"?  Can you explain what you mean by this?
[02:27] <BrixSat> [jmarsden]: ok :)
[02:28] <jmarsden> BrixSat: OOps, wrong person...
[02:28] <jmarsden> Tweakin: Can you pastebin the output of postconf -n so I can see that config, and also /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf (i think that's the right file!)
[02:28] <Tweakin> jmarsden; pm for the links or here?
[02:28] <jmarsden> Here is fine, they shouldn't have any sensitive info in them.
[02:28] <Tweakin> would rather not want my domain in public (if that is ok)
[02:29] <jmarsden> Oh, OK... PM is fine too.
[02:29] <BrixSat> http://pastebin.com/f4ee395a2
[02:30] <BrixSat> http://pastebin.com/f31220d09
[02:30] <BrixSat> the files you asked :=)
[02:31] <jmarsden> BrixSat: Sorry, I meant Tweakin ... trying to help two people at once here and got confused!  Is your network Ok now?
[02:32] <BrixSat> [jmarsden]: no my network still does not response to local dns queries
[02:33] <jmarsden> BrixSat: Does dig @localhost yahoo.com    # work when done on the server?
[02:33] <jmarsden> Tweakin: Looks sane.  Is dovecot-auth running ?
[02:34] <BrixSat> jmarsden yes it does work|
[02:35] <jmarsden> BrixSat: OK, so you have a working named.  From a workstation does dig @<IP_ADDRESS> yahoo.com  # work, where <IP_ADDRESS> is the IP of that local Ubuntu server?
[02:35] <BrixSat> well all my other machines are windows i cant test dig :(
[02:35] <Tweakin> jmarsden; dovecot is running, is there a separate -auth daemon?
[02:35] <jmarsden> BrixSat: OK, use nslookup instead...
[02:35] <BrixSat> :)
[02:35] <jmarsden> Tweakin: Yes, there is.
[02:35] <Tweakin> ahh ha
[02:36] <Tweakin> well, that would be a problem
[02:36] <jmarsden> Yes, something has to be listening on that private/auth-client socket so postfix can talk to it :)
[02:37] <jmarsden> The daemon should be called dovecot-auth (unless it changed its name since 8.04...)
[02:37] <Tweakin> hmm, this is my first go with dovecot (i have always used cyrus). How do I get dovecot-auth installing/running?
[02:40] <jmarsden> It should be installed as part of dovecot-common.  It should run, as log as your dovecot.conf file is sane... I think!
[02:40] <jmarsden> Tweakin: is there a file /usr/lib/dovecot/dovecot-auth on your system?
[02:41] <Tweakin> yup
[02:42] <BrixSat> jmarsden http://pastebin.com/m4670e0e3 :) result of nslookup
[02:42] <Tweakin> so perhaps that is not the problem
[02:43] <jmarsden> Tweakin: OK, so it is installed... just not running?  Maybe try /etc/init.d/dovecot restart
[02:44] <jmarsden> BrixSat: So it can't find any info on your domain... does that same lookup work when run on the server itself?
[02:44] <BrixSat> [jmarsden]: yes
[02:46] <genii> Is there some service or site which will run an audit on your server and report problems?
[02:47] <Tweakin> jmarsden; my bad, dovecot-auth is running
[02:47] <BrixSat> genii is the question for me?
[02:47] <genii> BrixSat: No, for the channel
[02:49] <jmarsden> BrixSat: Sounds like your named.conf is not allowing other machines to query that domain... check you have an    allow-query { any; };   in the zone's part of the file?
[02:49] <BrixSat> jmarsden want to see my zone file?
[02:50] <jmarsden> Tweakin: OK... so it is running but not allowing users to authenticate... is there anything of interest in the log files?
[02:50] <BrixSat> jmarsden http://pastebin.com/f37f01f7d
[02:50] <jmarsden> BrixSat: Well, only if you can't debug it yourself :)  OK...
[02:51] <jmarsden> BrixSat: That looks OK, maybe I need your named.conf file?
[02:51] <BrixSat> jmarsden want to see my zone file
[02:51] <jmarsden> genii: It's safer to do that yourself using nessus and similar tools...
[02:52] <jmarsden> BrixSat: I guess so...
[02:52] <BrixSat> jmarsden http://pastebin.com/f1d210e58
[02:53] <genii> jmarsden: I had previously SARA but that box is defunct now
[02:54] <jmarsden> BrixSat: Unless you put it /etc/bind/named.conf.local I don't see where the campingave zonefile is being used?
[02:54] <BrixSat> yes it is in locaL
[02:54] <jmarsden> OK... I suppose now you need to paste *that* :)
[02:54] <BrixSat> jmarsden http://pastebin.com/f3E294F0
[02:55] <jmarsden> BrixSat: That link doesn't work for me... ?
[02:55] <BrixSat> [jmarsden]: sorry http://pastebin.com/f3e3294f0
[02:56] <Tweakin> jmarsden; sent you log file - a few things stick out obviously, nothing i have been able to diagnose
[02:57] <jmarsden> Tweakin: Looks to me like it didn't even try to authenticate?  And the SSL hides all the details from me... if you telnet localhost 25 and ehlo junk do you see the AUTH capability listed?
[02:58] <BrixSat> now something weird just hapened jmarsden, i can access www.campingave.net (hosted site) but all the others like ftp.campingave.net goes to my local site
[02:59] <Tweakin> ehlo has STARTTLS
[02:59] <jmarsden> BrixSat: As I said 10 mins ago, you need an allow-query { any; } ; in there.... see http://pastebin.com/m690b46a5
[03:00] <jmarsden> Tweakin: again, TLs is orthogonal to (has no impact on) how users authenticate... and you said you understood this...?
[03:00] <jmarsden> The AUTH=PLAIN is what matters for auth, and it is there... so it should work...
[03:01] <jmarsden> Can you try connecting using a client that does not use TLS and that does try to authenticate with a username and pw?
[03:02] <BrixSat> no same thing with allow query any :S
[03:02] <jmarsden> BrixSat: Check your log files for anything named related?
[03:05] <Tweakin> jmarsden; i am using both outlook and thunderbird to test with- and attempting each different set of options for outgoing mail with each. user/pass (yes/no), ssl connection (yes/no), etc
[03:05] <Tweakin> no luck
[03:05] <jmarsden> OK, can you pastebin the log from an attempt with user/pass yes and ssl connection no ?
[03:05] <Tweakin> sure
[03:06] <BrixSat> one stupid question, where is bind9 log? i cant find it
[03:10] <jmarsden> BrixSat: /var/log/messages or /var/log/daemon.log I think... I forget what the default log file location for named is!
[03:11] <jmarsden> Tweakin: No sign of any attempt at auth there... strange?
[03:12] <Tweakin> i just turned -v back on in master.cf
[03:12] <Tweakin> let me paste the full beast
[03:13] <jmarsden> OK.  BTW You may want to test auth using telnet, see https://helpdesk.ndchost.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=49 for a quick howto on that.
[03:15] <Tweakin> sent the big log ;)
[03:16] <jmarsden> OK... looking ...
[03:16] <Tweakin> hmm, when attempt AUTH LOGIN via telnet, I get:
[03:16] <Tweakin> "535 5.7.8 Error: authentication failed: Invalid authentication mechanism"
[03:18] <TJUSE> can someone help me >
[03:18] <TJUSE> ?*
[03:18] <jmarsden> Tweakin: Read the EHLO option list again :)  You don't have AUTH LOGIN configured, only AUTH PLAIN
[03:18] <Tweakin> oh duh
[03:18] <Tweakin> ned auth plain heh
[03:18] <TJUSE> i just am messing around. starting using ubuntu server.
[03:18] <jmarsden> Ah.. so that howto was not the best one to give you... my fault!
[03:19] <jmarsden> !ask
[03:19] <TJUSE> and i am trying to access the server remotely without IP
[03:19] <TJUSE> how can i access my server instead of using my IP
[03:20] <jmarsden> TJUSE: Sit at its console and work there?  If you want to use its name, give it a name in the DNS?  I'm not sure what you are really wanting to do?
[03:21] <jmarsden> Remote access to a server without IP means you need some other (non-IP) network to connect to it??
[03:22] <jmarsden> Why can't you use IP to get to your server, it is how the Internet works... IP == Internet Protocol.  Or am I not understanding what you are asking?
[03:22] <BrixSat> well i cant solve it :( but thanks any way jmarsden
[03:22] <TJUSE> i got a DNS domain
[03:22] <TJUSE> well i dont have a static IP
[03:22] <jmarsden> TJUSE: OK, so then you should be able to use the FQDN (full DNS name) of the server instead of its public IP.
[03:22] <TJUSE> so every 3 hours it changes.
[03:23] <TJUSE> and i dont want to have to worry about figuring it out
[03:23] <jmarsden> so you are using a dynamic DNS provider, such as no-ip.org, right?
[03:23] <TJUSE> i am using exactly that.
[03:23] <TJUSE> my registered host is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:24] <TJUSE> and if i telnet or ssh it.
[03:24] <TJUSE> i dont get nothing...
[03:24] <TJUSE> how am i supposed to "tie" my server to the hsot?
[03:24] <TJUSE> host*?
[03:24] <jmarsden> So is your server currently at public IP <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[03:25] <jmarsden> You use the no-ip client that updates the info in the DNS server...
[03:25] <TJUSE> no its at<IP_ADDRESS>
[03:26] <TJUSE> ok.
[03:26] <TJUSE> so i put the client on.
[03:26] <TJUSE> and it shows my current IP?
[03:26] <TJUSE> but how to i terminal to my server?
[03:26] <TJUSE> what do i enter.
[03:26] <jmarsden> Yes it connects to your dynamic DNS provider and updates your info whenever it changes.
[03:26] <TJUSE> cuz before i put "ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:27] <jmarsden> Once you have that working, you can ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:27] <jmarsden> You can use the DNS name instead of the IP address, as we said earlier.
[03:27] <TJUSE> and than login in with my credentials
[03:27] <jmarsden> Yes.
[03:29] <TJUSE> its still not letting me?
[03:29] <TJUSE> 22 refused?
[03:29] <TJUSE> and all my ports are open.
[03:29] <TJUSE> i can ssh with IP just fine.
[03:29] <jmarsden> hopto.org is still pointing at the <IP_ADDRESS> address... the update is not yet working.
[03:30] <TJUSE> well i have several.
[03:30] <TJUSE> hopto.org
[03:30] <TJUSE> 3utilities.com
[03:30] <jmarsden> get ONE working, forget the rest for now :)
[03:31] <TJUSE> under my host by domain. i have calbert.hopto.org
[03:31] <TJUSE> with <IP_ADDRESS> as the IP?
[03:31] <TJUSE> according to no-ip.com
[03:32] <jmarsden> OK, so ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>then :)
[03:33] <TJUSE> port 22 refused.
[03:33] <jmarsden> Tweakin: I have to go afk and eat...
[03:33] <TJUSE> if i type IP or calbert.hopto.org in browser it asks for username and pw
[03:34] <TJUSE> ??? but i never set one.
[03:34] <TJUSE> (please note i am a COMPLETE NOOB)
[03:34] <Tweakin> jmarsden; thanks for your help. No idea on that last log paste?
[03:34] <TJUSE> i am still trying to learn and easiest way to do that is through hands on
[03:34] <jmarsden> TJUSE:  Is your server directly on the Internet?  if not did you forward port 22 (and 80) through the router to your server?
[03:35] <TJUSE> my ports are open
[03:35] <jmarsden> Tweakin: Still looks liek the client did not send any AUTH information, to me.
[03:35] <TJUSE> i can ssh with IP just fine..
[03:35] <jmarsden> I'll be back later...
[03:35] <TJUSE> but not with host.
[03:35] <Tweakin> thanks jmarsden
[03:36] <TJUSE> 443, 22, and 80 are open
[03:38] <TJUSE> shit
[03:38] <TJUSE> now i cant even get on through IP?
[03:38] <TJUSE> my router is saying my ports are open.
[03:38] <TJUSE> but i cannot connect?
[03:45] <poseidon> Anyone know of a good tutorial on setting up ubuntu to be a home server?  I mainly want it to be a central hub for my media
[04:17] <PhotoJim> poseidon: not sure there is a howto, but it's pretty easy to do.  you want to use nfs-server for Linux clients, Samba for Windows, AFS or one of the other two can be used for Macs.  Really pretty easy.
[05:59] <Rafael> can somebody help me with the follwoing, a friend help me with rsync creting the following script: #!/bin/bash and rsync -v -r -d --delete /home/rgotten/Prueba/Myplasticare /home/rgotten/mnt/ >> /home/rgotten/logs/respaldo-`date +%d%m%Y`.log this has being sve to a file ./respaldo-archivos.sh, my question is how do i ron a crontab to do backups at 1am from monday to friday?
[06:50] <jmarsden> Rafael: Read    man 5 crontab   # and especially read the part just after EXAMPLE CRON FILE.   Then do crontab -e  and type in a suitable crontab line, probably    0 1 * * 1-5 /home/rgotten/respaldo-archivos.sh
[09:37] <reenignEesreveR> i wanna setup a file sharing server ... an ungeeky so something better than ftp/samba should do ... is there any "getdropbox.com" like servcie which i may install on my ubuntu machine?
[12:32] <hackeron> hey, I just installed a clean ubuntu server, did apt-get install postgresql - when I try to run /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3 start - I get: 2009-05-31 12:30:53 BST FATAL:  could not load server certificate file "server.crt": No such file or directory -- any ideas?
[12:40] <aptanet> I've not tried posrgresql mysefl, but have you tried using tasksel install postresql-server ?
[12:41] <aptanet> I don't have a box to check on handy, but that my bring in extra packages / configuration
[12:41] <aptanet> sounds like an ssl problem, is openssl installed?
[12:42] <Blinkiz> Hi. need some help with bridge interface. I want to bring a bridge interface up without having any physical (or virtual) interfaces attached to it. I know how todo it from command prompt but not from boot of OS. Anyone that know what am missing to get the br1 up in manual mode from /etc/network/interfaces?
[12:42] <Blinkiz> Am looking for a command like "ip set link br1 up" in interfaces file.
[12:43] <Blinkiz> bridge interface only starts automatic if I have static ip, dhcp or a interface connected to the bridge.
[12:45] <aptanet> do you have any interfaces configured in /etc/network/interfaces? I assume you must have something
[12:45] <aptanet> if so you could add and 'up' entry to the end of one to run the cli commands you need to bring the interface up
[12:46] <aptanet> for example, after the broadcast entry on one of my boxes I've got
[12:46] <aptanet> up /root/scripts/routes.rul
[12:46] <aptanet> which links to a script to add some custom routes once the interface is up
[12:47] <Blinkiz> aptanet, this is my interfaces file: http://blinkiz.pastebin.com/d5d221d35 . I know want br1 to go up without having eth1 attached to it
[12:47] <Blinkiz> know = now
[12:49] <aptanet> does simply replacing 'manual' with 'auto' do the trick?
[12:50] <Blinkiz> Hmm, maybe.. w8
[12:50] <aptanet> hang on, brain not working!
[12:50] <Blinkiz> nupp, unkown metod
[12:50] <aptanet> that's ip wise, not whether it loads the interface!
[12:51] <Blinkiz> aptanet, So should I just put in "up brctl addbr br1" or what?
[12:53] <aptanet> what are you bridging if there's only a single eth interface?
[12:53] <Blinkiz> aptanet, It will be only virtual interfaces. Its a virtualization server
[12:55] <Blinkiz> A internal network for only virtual machines
[12:55] <aptanet> not technologies I've played with, so I'm just speculating
[12:55] <aptanet> if you don't have eth1 up would you use bridge_ports eth0 ?
[12:56] <Blinkiz> For now anyway. I will have a physical interface attached to the bridge on Thursday or something. Waiting for the server nic card...
[12:57] <Blinkiz> aptanet, problem now is that I would like to get the bridge up at OS boot without having a interface attached to it
[12:58] <Blinkiz> Virtual interfaces will be added when machines are started up after OS boot
[12:58] <Blinkiz> machines = virtual machines, i mean
[12:59] <Blinkiz> I know this is possible! I had a guy in #ubuntu-virt a couple of days ago having the same problem. He solved it somehow by putting something in the interfaces file. Bad for me, I was not logging.
[12:59] <Blinkiz> Oh! Maybe #ubuntu-virt logs exist on the internet somewhere?!? :D
[13:04] <aptanet> http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[13:04] <aptanet> but I don't see it in there
[13:05] <Blinkiz> bummer
[13:05] <aptanet> going back to plan A, if you know the commands you can put them in a bash script and link it from an 'up' for the lo interface perhaps
[13:06] <Blinkiz> aptanet, jepp, am going for that. thanks!
[14:36] <dennister> could anyone else pls help with this postfix/dovecot/sasl authentication issue I'm having?
[17:26] <incorrect> i am trying to set up acl's i've set it so i have rwx and set -R and -d on the directory, however i still can't create a directory up the tree
[17:27] <giovani> incorrect: ls -ld /path/to/dir please
[17:27] <incorrect> ls doesn't show acl's
[17:28] <incorrect> getfacl dir
[17:28] <incorrect> its owned by root and as a different group
[17:28] <giovani> ACLs are totally different
[17:28] <giovani> I didn't see your mention in the original request, sorry
[17:28] <incorrect> no problem
[17:29] <incorrect> default:user:myuser:rwx
[17:29] <incorrect> i can see its there
[17:31] <incorrect> duh  X not x
[17:32] <CarlFK> at some point sudo reboot (and shutdown -r now)  stopped rebooting back to POST/grub and started using something like kexec to reload the current kernel.
[17:32] <CarlFK> how do I get it to reboot such that I can pick a different kernel from grub menu?
[18:21] <FFForever> how can i find out how much space Chris is using?
[18:29] <MianoSM> In his home directory, or on an entire system?
[18:29] <FFForever> home dir
[18:30] <MianoSM> du -sh /home/Chris
[18:30] <MianoSM> That will show you Disk Usage (Summary / Human readable) for the directory /home/Chris
[18:30] <FFForever> awesome
[18:31] <MianoSM> :)
[18:31] <MianoSM> you might want to look up user quata
[18:31] <MianoSM> user quota*
[18:32] <FFForever> MianoSM, i would love to do user quota but i have yet to find a way without making vfs and putting the home dir in them...
[18:33] <MianoSM> I haven't had to implement user quota yet, so I'm not much help beyond reading a man page on it :(
[20:18] <phaidros> which virtualization is everyone here using on servers?
[20:18] <phaidros> I am using xen since > 2 years, rock solid, stable.
[20:18] <phaidros> pity to know ubuntu has dropped xen support ..
[20:18] <Gargoyle> phaidros: I don't use it directly, but my server is a xen virtual machine
[20:19]  * dazman uses Hyper-V as the host for multiple Ubuntu servers.
[20:19] <dazman> Does that count?  *runs*
[20:19] <Alex_21> Hi, all,
[20:19] <phaidros> phaidros slaps dazman ..
[20:20] <Alex_21> I need to use Zip from the command line to make zips of a folder. How do yyou do this. "$ man zip" does not make sense
[20:20] <Alex_21> What are the sintax?
[20:20] <Alex_21> Please
[20:21] <phaidros> Alex_21: it is dead easy: zip zipfile.zip files to zip /or/path/to/files/*
[20:22] <Alex_21> They are folders though
[20:23] <Alex_21> And those folders contain directories. I don't want to loose the directory structure
[20:23] <phaidros> Alex_21: I don't see the problem
[20:23] <_dennister> hey gang...having a bit of trouble configuring apt-proxy, can anyone help me with backend entries?
[20:23] <Alex_21> I thought it was "$ zip -r "path/to/folder" "zipfile.zip"
[20:23] <dazman> Alex_21: zip -r
[20:24] <phaidros> ah, -r makes sense
[20:24] <dazman> zip -r zipfile.zip dir/
[20:24] <dazman> same as tar... destination zip first
[20:24] <Alex_21> Ok
[20:24] <Alex_21> Thanks
[20:26] <_dennister> dazman: could you help me, pls?
[20:26] <Alex_21> And to install Ubuntu desktop edition for use as a server, which version should I use? I want to have more than four GB of RAM but currently I only have two
[20:27] <Alex_21> So I'm not sure what determins 32 bit from 64 bit and more importantly which one I should install
[20:27] <dazman> Alex_21: To get more than 4GB RAM, you'll need x64 (providing you have an X64 box)
[20:27] <dazman> Alex_21: and you'd probably be better off using Ubuntu-server, surely? :)
[20:28] <dazman> _dennister: just ask the question openly, and see who answers/helps. :)
[20:29] <_dennister> dazman: i do, and no one helps in any of the channels I'm logged into :( not my usual experience, either
[20:29] <_dennister> hey gang...having a bit of trouble configuring apt-proxy, can anyone help me with backend entries?
[20:29] <phaidros> _dennister: that is boviously a meta question ;)
[20:30] <_dennister> i've gotta get this set up before bell starts charging me tons of $ tomorrow
[20:30] <Alex_21> How do I know what my box supports?
[20:30] <phaidros> sry, I have never used apt-proxy yet. but anyways, I can see not question ;)
[20:30] <dazman> Alex_21: It depends on the CPU.
[20:30] <Alex_21> And why is Ubuntu Server better for a desktop system acting as a Server?
[20:31] <Alex_21> How do I know the CPU
[20:31] <dazman> Alex_21: It's not always.
[20:31] <Alex_21> ?
[20:31] <_dennister> trying to import my cache into apt-proxy, but always get this error message: No Packages files available for ubuntu-whatever
[20:31] <dazman> cat /proc/cpuinfo will show you the model.
[20:31] <phaidros> Alex_21: to distinguish between srever and desktop edition: metapackages and kernel are different, slightly, some setting in sysctl maybe
[20:31] <_dennister> dazman: that specific enuf for you? :-)
[20:33] <phaidros> _dennister: this might be a bug: read here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=297467
[20:34] <Alex_21> What do I look for
[20:34] <Alex_21> ?
[20:34] <dazman> Model Name
[20:34] <Alex_21> In determining the CPU and whether it is 64 bit compatible?
[20:34] <Alex_21> Please
[20:35] <Alex_21> Here: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU          4300  @ 1.80GHz
[20:35] <Alex_21> stepping	: 2
[20:35] <phaidros> _dennister: people seem to recommend apt-cache ..
[20:35] <dazman> Alex_21: Core 2's are x64 yep
[20:37] <Alex_21> So do I get better processor effectiveness or what out of 64 bit OS's
[20:37] <Alex_21> ?
[20:38] <_dennister> phaidros: yes, i'd seen the bug report in the howto, but the howto said it was ok to ignore it :( apt-cache doesn't do as much as I need it to do because of the blasted bell canada's illegal antics
[20:39] <_dennister> but I think the bug report might just have steered me into right/sensible path for a fix
[20:39] <Alex_21> And how do I know how much RAM I can squeeze in this box.
[20:39] <_dennister> thanks; i'll let u know
[20:39] <Alex_21> I need to max it out if possible
[20:39] <phaidros> _dennister: glad I could help
[20:40] <phaidros> Alex_21: the memory limit is determined by the motherboard usually. afaik.
[20:41] <Alex_21> How can I find out what is supported on this puppy?
[20:41] <Alex_21> Please
[20:41] <phaidros> Alex_21: find the boardname (printed on the board) and ask google
[20:42] <phaidros> that I'd do
[20:42] <Alex_21> I can't.
[20:42] <phaidros> so, ask someone who acan
[20:42] <Alex_21> And getting a sighted techie in here is hard at best
[20:42] <phaidros> s/acan/can/
[20:43] <phaidros> sry i don't know any voodoo to determine tha max amount of ram for an unknown motherboard :/
[20:43] <Alex_21> The OS itself doesn't know the motherboard?
[20:43] <phaidros> no.
[20:43] <Alex_21> It found the CPU
[20:43] <Alex_21> Oh
[20:43] <Alex_21> Ok
[20:43] <phaidros> you can maybe find out about the chipsets.
[20:43] <Alex_21> Here is an idea.
[20:44] <Alex_21> I know the Computer model number. I'll just Google that. Silly me.
[20:44] <phaidros> ^^
[20:45] <phaidros> irks
[20:45] <phaidros> sry uvirtbot, din't want to confuse u .. ^^
[20:45] <jpds> ^fail
[20:45] <phaidros> ^stupid
[20:45]  * phaidros slaps uvirtbot
[20:45] <Alex_21> !Lol
[20:46] <phaidros> rofl
[20:46] <Alex_21> !Awesome
[20:46] <phaidros> Alex_21: didn't you want to google a certain machine type?
[20:46] <Alex_21> !Ubuntu
[20:47] <Alex_21> !Google
[20:47] <Alex_21> Yeah.
[20:47] <Alex_21> That is easier for a tech to read next week. The problem was getting a sighted tech to open the machine while it is on the rack
[20:48] <phaidros> Alex_21: thanks for using other peoples time to safe your own ;)
[20:48] <Alex_21> So I still need the exact number
[20:48] <Alex_21> It is no biggie though
[20:48] <phaidros> :p
[20:48] <Alex_21> Hey. I can't read it
[20:48] <Alex_21> Got a problem with that?
[20:49] <Gargoyle> Alex_21: 37GB
[20:50] <Alex_21> How do you know that?
[20:50] <Alex_21> !Trigger
[20:50] <phaidros> 42
[20:51] <Gargoyle> Magic. ESP. A little bird told me... Take your pick!
[20:51] <Alex_21> !Blind
[20:51] <Alex_21> !Accessibility
[20:51] <Alex_21> !Access
[20:52] <Alex_21> !Orca
[20:52] <Alex_21> !Deaf
[20:52] <Alex_21> !Disabilities
[20:52] <Alex_21> !Ignorant
[20:52] <Gargoyle> Alex_21: Must you do that?
[20:53] <Alex_21> I'm trying to find accessibility resources for Ubuntu
[20:53] <Gargoyle> Alex_21: Try google, not an IRC bot!
[20:53] <Alex_21> Ok
[20:53] <Alex_21> Thanks
[20:54] <Gargoyle> Alex_21: You can also /msg the bot with !help to find out what it is most useful for!
[20:54] <Gargoyle> Alex_21: Without flooding the chan.
[20:55] <phaidros> +1
[20:57] <Alex_21> We need #Ubuntu-accessibility
[20:58] <Alex_21> #Ubuntu is too crowded for accessibility talk if you are using assitive technology
[20:59] <phaidros> that's a good proposal
[21:01] <vorian> that would be a proposal you could make in #ubuntu-irc
[21:05] <Alex_21> Ok
[21:05] <Alex_21> Thanks. I didn't know about #Ubuntu-IRC
[21:10] <vorian> not many people do :)
[21:37] <racecar56> hp mediasmart ext475, anyone?
[21:37] <racecar56> *ex
[21:38] <Alex_21> Thanks for your help
[21:38] <Alex_21> God day
[21:38] <Alex_21> Lol, ...Sorry
[21:38] <Alex_21> Good day
[21:38] <racecar56> does anyone here have any experience installing ubuntu server on a hp media(not so)smart ex475?
[22:45] <RoAkSoAx> heya guys, do you think that the proposed solution for this bug is the adequate? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/passenger/+bug/332238
[23:23] <MianoSM> !chrt
[23:23] <MianoSM> !taskset
[23:23] <MianoSM> !renice
[23:23] <MianoSM> !worthless bots
[23:30] <superfirelord42> Interesting thing, may not be in the right room for this. I installed ubuntu server edition, cant seem to get the e100 driver working right. Looking through dmesg, i see e100: 0000:01:02.0: can't derive routing for PCI INT A, anyone know what may be going on?
[23:31] <superfirelord42> To be sepecific on not working, I cannot get a DHCP lease, and manual routing and configuration does not appear to work either.
[23:33] <genii> superfirelord42: You may want to try kernel option of pci=routeirq
[23:33] <superfirelord42> genii, i just noticed something when i tried to do a dhcp on them all, said try irqpoll, should i try that first?
[23:34] <genii> superfirelord42: Yes
[23:38] <superfirelord42> interesting, boot time slows to a crawl on ata1, something about frozen. IRQ #15 was disabled which I know was one of the NICs, still not booted yet
[23:38] <pygmalion> what's the fastest way to restore the default config files for postfix and dovecot?
[23:42] <superfirelord42> genii, well, good news bad news, good news, i got the DHCP, bad news, it spewed some IRC issues and now is not responsive, rebooting with your pci=routeirq
[23:42] <superfirelord42> *IRQ
[23:48] <storrgie> I created an array, but when I restart instead of /dev/md0 I get a bunch of funny md devices named like md_d0 and md_d0p1
[23:51] <wizardslovak> ok this is weird , i moved server to other room and turned it on
[23:52] <wizardslovak> no i cant connect to it true ssh
[23:52] <wizardslovak> "no route to host"
[23:52] <wizardslovak> if i ping it it says "destination host unreachable"
[23:53] <superfirelord42> wizardslovak, can you ping from it?
[23:53] <wizardslovak> no i am pinging it from my laptop(kubuntu)
[23:54] <wizardslovak> 100% packet loss
[23:55] <wizardslovak> i see it on my router tho
[23:59] <wizardslovak> ok i found it , i plugged into wrong card lol


[07:53] <apw> xevious, in normal operation no you should not need to add addition sync commands
[12:23] <agm> henrix, I used your -proposed kernel
[12:23] <agm> it seems to fix the nfs issue
[12:23] <agm> how do I appropriately report my success?
[12:24] <henrix> agm: is there a 'verification-needed-trusty' tag in that bug?
[12:24] <agm> yes
[12:24] <agm> I mean, do I just say it seemed to work and tag it
[12:25] <agm> or is more information required
[12:25] <henrix> agm: then, just replace that tag by 'verification-done-trusty' :)
[12:25] <agm> Ok, I just made my launchpad.net account today
[12:25] <agm> thanks
[12:25] <henrix> agm: of course you can add more relevant info to the bug, that could eventually help other people testing
[12:25] <agm> ok, I'll describe my setup
[12:25] <henrix> agm: and thanks for testing and reporting back!
[12:26] <agm> thanks for fixing it! I just saw the issue last night, googled what I was seeing, saw the bug, and saw your fix
[12:26] <agm> fast!
[12:27] <henrix> yeah, sometimes that approach works :)
[12:36] <xnox> my processes tell me that they no longer can initialise inotify
[12:36] <xnox> did i run out of watches/discriptors, or i have something rougue running on my system, or is kernel buggy? or how do i check that?
[12:53] <agm> Do I add a tag just by appending that text to the bottom of a post?
[12:56] <agm> oh nevermind found it
[13:49] <xevious> apw: Can you think of an operation that would require manually running sync?
[13:54] <apw> xevious, a full sync, no
[14:48] <awe_> sforshee, ogasawara, can someone on the kernel team take a look at a WiFi adhoc driver bug for us?
[14:48] <awe_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-mako/+bug/1337753
[14:58] <sforshee> awe_: ugh, if android doesn't use ibss then there's a good chance that it isn't well-tested in the driver
[14:58] <awe_> yup
[14:59] <sforshee> I'll try to take a peek at the code a little later today, but that driver makes my eyes bleed
[15:02] <awe_> sforshee, same problems with bq; although different driver
[15:03] <awe_> sforshee, this may be endemic of Android Wi-Fi drivers
[15:03] <awe_> that said, Wellark also claims that bq doesn't have "ap" support either
[15:03] <awe_> ( which is what I think we should be using for hotspot )
[15:05] <awe_> sforshee, one last comment... in the syslog, I see reference to a qcom platform drive that NM thinks is the WiFi driver;  it's not clear to me if the actual N4 WiFi driver is a blob or not...
[15:09] <sforshee> awe_: yeah, if android doesn't require ibss support then we probably need to assume that we can't rely on it when we're using those drivers
[15:11] <sforshee> awe_: I don't think the n4 wifi driver is a binary blob, but I'll double check
[15:11] <awe_> sforshee, well...the driver claims support, and without, we're missing the underlying framework to support hotspots
[15:15] <sforshee> awe_: but if android is using ap mode then that's the code that we know is tested and _should_ work, so why wouldn't we use that for hotspots instead?
[15:19] <awe_> so...we have existing code in Ubuntu to support hotspot, and it's tied to adhoc unfortunately.  I document why this isn't optimal in: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-mako/+bug/1337753
[15:19] <awe_> sorry...https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-mako/+bug/1337753/comments/5
[15:20] <sforshee> awe_: okay ... so it's easier to go fix every android driver which has sub-par ibss support than to change our hotspot code?
[15:23] <sforshee> and based on that comment, there are other compelling reasons to use infrastructure mode rather than ibss
[15:23] <awe_> I haven't yet had this discussion with others
[15:24] <awe_> NM apparently does support AP-mode hotspot, but the discussion hasn't been had yet
[15:25] <sforshee> awe_: so as far as I can tell the options are a) continue with adhoc, create a lot of extra work, and have an overall crappy hotspot experience, or b) switch to infrastructure mode for hotspots and have fewer driver problems and a better user experience
[15:25] <sforshee> the answer seems pretty obvious to me
[15:26] <awe_> sforshee, also not all of the drivers we're interested in support ap mode
[15:26] <awe_> sforshee, it depends on how much code is involved
[15:26] <sforshee> awe_: then these same devices don't support hotspots under android I assume?
[15:27] <awe_> in theory, that's correct
[15:27] <sforshee> what about in practice?
[15:27] <awe_> ;)
[15:27] <sforshee> because if android doesn't support hotspots on those devices it seems unreasonable to demand that we should
[15:27] <awe_> agreed
[15:28] <awe_> sforshee, just asked abeato for the 'iw list' output for krillin
[15:29] <sforshee> awe_: so honestly I don't feel inclined to invest much effort at all in tring to fix adhoc on the n4 if it seems likely we'll just switch to ap mode anyway
[15:30] <sforshee> and to me that seems like the far more reasonable solution, all things considered
[15:32] <awe_> sforshee, we can't make a decision till we've looked at all the pieces...  I'd like at least some opinion from you or someone from the kernel team as to why fixing the driver is too much effort
[15:32] <awe_> it might be something obvious like building the driver with p2p support might conflict with adhoc mode
[15:33] <sforshee> awe_: okay, I'll take a look this afternoon
[15:33] <awe_> I *will* have the conversation re: adhoc mode today
[15:33] <awe_> thanks
[15:33] <awe_> don't spend a lot of time on it
[15:33] <sforshee> I don't plan to ;-)
[15:33] <awe_> cool
[15:33] <awe_> thanks much!
[17:11] <kdeuser56> how would I get the ubuntu kernel config file for a specific version from commandline?
[17:23] <infinity> kdeuser56: If you mean for the installed/running kernel, it's /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[17:23] <kdeuser56> infinity: not an installed one
[17:24] <kdeuser56> infinity: I was looking for the .config of any kernel ubuntu ever played with
[17:24] <kdeuser56> infinity: is there some archive?
[17:24] <infinity> I don't think anyone's bothered to extract the configs from every binary package and archive them, no.
[17:25] <infinity> But if you know which binary package you're interested in, you can download and unpack it.
[17:25] <infinity> Our git trees show the changes on a more granular level, but there's no .config in there, as it's broken into pieces and constructed at build time.
[18:42] <BLZbubba> hi guys, I'm trying to build 3.15.4 using "fakeroot debian/rules binary-headers binary-generic" and it builds just fine
[18:43] <BLZbubba> however, the deb only inculdes about 600 modules whereas the binary on kernel.ubuntu.com has over 3000
[18:46] <BLZbubba> i started looking at the generic inclusion list but it seems to match the one on the standard 3.13 kernel.  any idea where to look to make it include the correct set of modules in the kernel binary deb?
[18:59] <Sarvatt> BLZbubba: look in the linux-image-extra deb, if you want to build it all into one deb you'd want to fakeroot debian/rules do_extras_package=0 binary-headers binary-generic
[19:03] <trippeh> also might want to consider 3.15.5
[19:07] <BLZbubba> but there is no extras deb here: kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.15.4-utopic/
[19:13] <BLZbubba> i'm just curious how to build the packages exactly the same way as these
[19:23] <BLZbubba> Sarvatt: you're right, extras had the missing ko files for useful things like the keyboard
[19:25] <BLZbubba> so how are they doing it differently for the images published to kernel.ubuntu.com?


[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #175448 in launchpad "RSS icon in FF url bar although no announcement is published yet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175448
[05:06] <ubotu> New bug: #175470 in launchpad "Make an announcement feature available for teams also" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175470
[05:10] <ubotu> New bug: #175471 in launchpad "Redesign "At specific date and time" option from the new Make an announcement feature" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175471
[06:15] <ubotu> New bug: #175479 in blueprint "One page for editing blueprint status and related info" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175479
[06:20] <ubotu> New bug: #175478 in launchpad "RSS Problems: Edit, Links, Second announcement, New lines " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175478
[06:35] <ubotu> New bug: #175482 in launchpad "RSS Problems: Project link" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175482
[07:22] <gQuig1> is this where I should post for guidance with getting a blueprint accepted?   (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/no-mono-by-default)  Need to know what to do next
[07:23] <Fujitsu> gQuig1: #ubuntu-devel is likely better.
[07:23] <Fujitsu> However, the chance of having that blueprint acted on is rather slim indeed.
[07:23] <gQuig1> Fujitsu: that's ok, thanks
[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #175492 in launchpad-bazaar "poor positioning of Bazaar on "upstream source details"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175492
[09:21] <mrevell> Morning Launchpadders!
[09:22] <Fujitsu> Hey mrevell.
[09:22] <mrevell> hey :)
[10:58] <Hobbsee> belated morning mrevell
[10:58] <mrevell> yo Hobbsee
[11:00] <Hobbsee> how goes it?
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #175523 in launchpad "Wrong link in ATOM feed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175523
[11:35] <soren> If I have a project on sourceforge, I want to move to launchpad (code is already done, so I guess it's just bug import), who do I ask?
[11:36] <BjornT> soren: jamesh would be a good person to talk to
[11:37] <jamesh> hi Soren.  What project is it?
[11:37] <soren> libmms
[11:38] <soren> I've been negelcting it bigtime, because I'm fed up with sourceforge and *shudder* cvs.
[11:41] <soren> jamesh: We'll want to do a new release from sourceforge before the move, so not quite yet, but probably before christmas.
[11:41] <Peng> They're that bad?
[11:41] <soren> Who? Sourceforge?
[11:41] <Fujitsu> SF is shocking, really.
[11:42] <Fujitsu> Malone is like heaven compared to it.
[11:42]  * ddaa gives soren hug
[11:42] <ddaa> it's goin to be okay, cvs is not gonna hurt you anymore
[11:42] <soren> It's slow, the bug tracker is a complete and utter nightmare, and it forces me to use cvs (or svn, but the difference is really only that big).
[11:42]  * soren cries at ddaa's shoulder
[11:43] <Fujitsu> SVN is much better than CVS, but still not terrific...
[11:43] <soren> Fujitsu: svn never really impressed me much compared to cvs. I find the improvements to be skin deep.
[11:44] <soren> There are still people today who switch from cvs to svn.. I just don't get it.
[11:44] <ddaa> it's a bit unfair to call atomic commit, and branches that perform sanely "skin deep"
[11:45] <ddaa> to checkout a branch in cvs data model, you need to start from the HEAD, walk down to the branch point applying delta in reverse, then walk up to branch tip applying deltas forward
[11:45] <Fujitsu> Sounds lovely.
[11:46] <soren> I wouldn't refer to svn's approach to branches as "sane".
[11:46] <ddaa> the performance is sane
[11:47] <jamesh> soren: is there any particular reason you want to wait before migrating?
[11:47] <ddaa> but really, the main killer reason to switch  to svn from cvs is atomic commits
[11:48] <jamesh> ddaa: current versions of cvs have atomic commits
[11:48] <soren> jamesh: Another contributor really, really wanted to get a new release out the door real soon, so not forcing him to learn new tools to do so at this point would be a good thing.
[11:48] <jamesh> soren: ah.
[11:48] <ddaa> jamesh: I'm curious about the extent to which it actually work
[11:48] <ddaa> I know they do record commit ids
[11:48] <jamesh> soren: I can perform an import on our demo server tomorrow if that'd help
[11:48] <ddaa> but that not nearly enough
[11:49] <jamesh> (we generally do that before migrations anyway, to make sure everything works)
[11:49] <soren> jamesh: If it's not a lot of trouble, that could be cool. We could see if everything worked out and then do the real move in a week or two?
[11:49] <jamesh> okay
[11:49] <soren> "demo server" == staging?
[11:49] <soren> dogfood?
[11:50] <jamesh> soren: nope.  "demo server" == https://demo.launchpad.net/
[11:50] <jamesh> the staging database gets wiped every day, so isn't so good for demos
[11:50] <soren> Hm.. I don't think I've seen that before.
[11:51] <jamesh> and dogfood is really the soyuz guys' sandbox
[11:51] <soren> Yes, that's what I thought :) I just hadn't heard of demo.lp.net before.
[11:51] <soren> If I did, I forgot.
[11:52] <jamesh> it isn't something we advertise
[11:52] <soren> Sure.
[11:53] <soren> jamesh: Ok, so you'll ping me at some point when you've done your magic? There's no rush right now.
[11:53] <jamesh> yep
[11:53] <jamesh> looks like there's hardly any bugs, so it should be really quick
[11:53] <soren> Yeah, surely <50. Probably <20, too :)
[11:54] <jamesh> there are 9
[11:54] <soren> *g*.
[11:55] <jamesh> soren: one thing that'd be worth doing before the migration is to add your<EMAIL_ADDRESS>email to your Launchpad account
[11:55] <soren> jamesh: Will do.
[11:55] <jamesh> it is possible to merge the duplicate person afterwards, but this saves the hassle
[11:56] <soren> Sure. I'm on it.
[11:57] <soren> Done.
[12:33] <DaveMorris> Hi can someone clear out my ppa.  I asked a question on LP as i was asked to beforehand but it's yet to be done.  https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/19656
[12:39] <DaveMorris> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/19656 (for non beta users)
[13:25] <jelmer> ~/window goto #ctrlproxy
[13:25] <ubotu> New bug: #175545 in malone "BugLinkTargetMixin.linkBug() and unlinkBug() should take a user parameter" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175545
[13:25] <jelmer> argh
[15:15] <andika> hi all, how do I *delete* entries in https://edge.launchpad.net/blankon/+packages ?
[15:17] <andika> seems that I misunderstood that feature
[18:36] <ubotu> New bug: #175231 in ubuntu "Update Manager Failure" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175231
[19:01] <gspr> I have a question regarding packaging versioning, but I'll ask it here since it specifically relates to a PPA package. Say I take a Debian package foo-1.2.3-1 and make a slight modification to the source.  Or foo-1.2.3-1~ppa1? Or neither? I know it doesn't matter, but I'd like to follow the proper conventions.
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #175688 in launchpad "cannot edit launchpad rss project announcement" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175688
[19:51] <statik> hi CharliePoole
[20:01] <ubotu> New bug: #175690 in rosetta "The % does not match in adduser package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175690
[20:17] <bullgard4> "detlef@MD97600:/$ gdb gnome-search-tool 2>&1 | tee ~/gdb-gnome-search-tool.txt" obtains http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/20133/ but the file is not closed. Why?
[20:20] <dennda> bullgard4: are you sure this is a launchpad issue? Launchpad is the *software* that runs launchpad.net
[20:22] <bullgard4> dennda: I am preparing an error report for Launchpad.
[20:23] <dennda> ah well, I think you are wrong here then. You would come here if launchpad *itself* had a bug. That is, if launchpad.net was not loading for some reason or something like that
[20:24] <bullgard4> dennda: I see. I beg your pardon for being mistaken.
[20:24] <dennda> Nevermind. No problem. (Actually I was the one who pointed you here, after all ;))
[20:51] <Ubulette> https://edge.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/hardy/+source/valgrind/1:3.2.3-3ubuntu2   firefox says "Redirect Loop: Redirection limit for this URL exceeded.  Unable to load the requested page.  This may be caused by cookies that are blocked."
[20:51] <Ubulette> that url comes from a RSS feed
[20:55] <Ubulette> initial url is s/^edge\.//
[20:58] <Fujitsu> Ubulette: Remove the /distros. I filed that bug month sago.
[20:58] <Fujitsu> Which feed.
[20:59] <Fujitsu> *?
[20:59] <Fujitsu> Ubulette: Bug #131478
[20:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131478 in soyuz "Epoched DistroSourcePackageReleases redirect eternally if using a /distros URL" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131478
[21:01] <ubotu> New bug: #175702 in malone "Don't exclude incomplete bugs without comments from expiration" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175702
[21:02] <Fujitsu> BjornT: So it's coming back for 1.1.12?
[21:03] <BjornT> Fujitsu: well, sort of. it will be turned on partly, meaning that we will display notices in the ui, and provide a report of bug reports that are marked for expiration.
[21:03] <BjornT> Fujitsu: we won't actually expire any bugs, though. we want to see how it works, and give people a chance of cleaning up the bugs first.
[21:04] <Fujitsu> Ah, that sounds good.
[21:04] <Fujitsu> Much, much better than the way it was done last time..
[21:05] <BjornT> yes, the last time was a mistake. we didn't think it would have such an impact, but we learn from our mistakes.
[21:08] <Ubulette> Fujitsu, http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss/hardy.xml
[21:09] <Fujitsu> BjornT: So I noticed :)
[21:10] <ubotu> New bug: #175707 in malone "Change notification about expiration to talk about marking it for expiration" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175707
[21:11] <Fujitsu> Ubulette: Good, so not on LP. Those feeds are currently controlled by Seveas, but will soon (hopefully I'll get around to doing it tonight) be within my control on UbuntuWire, so I can fix it then.
[21:11] <Fujitsu> In the meantime, it only affects those sourcepackagereleases that have epochs.
[21:19] <gspr> I was wondering, when should I use a tilde version for a package? I see the PPA quickstart recommends ~ppaN for PPA packages. Let's say I take a Hardy package and only change it to belong to Gutsy, and put it in my PPA. Should I then call it foo-x.y.z~gutsy1~ppa1 or what?
[21:20] <gspr> What are the guidelines for ~version?
[21:20] <Fujitsu> There are no official guidelines that I know of.
[21:20] <Fujitsu> That versioning is probably OK, however.
[21:21] <Fujitsu> In fact, it's probably the ideal format for that situation.
[21:24] <gspr> ok
[21:24] <Ubulette> ~ is lower than anything else, it's important
[21:24] <Ubulette> foo-x.y.z~gutsy1~ppa1 < foo-x.y.z~gutsy1 < foo-x.y.z
[21:25] <gspr> wow, really? I didn't know that
[21:25] <gspr> but foo-x.y.z < foo-x.y.z-w, right?
[21:25] <Ubulette> correct
[21:25] <gspr> ok, so ~ behaves differently - that's very interesting
[21:25] <gspr> thanks
[21:26] <Ubulette> it's a way to prefer the official versions
[21:26] <gspr> I hear one can delete PPA packages by requesting it manually. Who can I talk to?
[21:26] <gspr> Ubulette: Yeah, I see. I was actually wondering how to do that :)
[21:36] <Ubulette> gspr, to delete something from your ppa, you'd better file a question on LP
[21:38] <gspr> Ubulette: OK
[22:34] <dennda> Is launchpad capable of having a mailing list for a project?
[22:34] <RainC1> Hi
[22:34] <RainC1> I got 3 oops trying to file a bug, last two IDs are OOPS-710EC179 and OOPS-710EA245
[22:35] <RainC1> (timeout error)
[22:35] <RainC1> and a 4th, OOPS-710EB206
[22:35] <RainC1> :P
[22:39] <RainC1> OOPS-710EA248
[22:43] <_polto_> hello all
[22:44] <_polto_> can sb help me pls ? I would like to make a meta-package on my PPA what will install some other. Any documentation/advise on how to do a meta-package?
[22:46] <stdin> _polto_: take a look at other meta-packages, like ubuntu-meta  also ask in #ubuntu-motu
[22:46] <RainC1> works again now
[22:47] <_polto_> hmm.. i'll try apt-get source gnome-desktop for example ..
[22:47] <_polto_> thanks
[22:48] <_polto_> uhh... it's not a meta-package ..
[22:48] <_polto_> what is ubuntu-meta ?
[22:48] <stdin> _polto_: it's the source package for ubuntu-standard, ubuntu-desktop etc, meta-kde is another good example of one
[22:50] <_polto_> thanks!
[23:18] <nealmcb> there's lots of buzz today on the ubuntu-us list about  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam/ColombianTeamAnalysis and the simple python program (linked from there) that produced it.  Is there a good place for that sort of script to go, like some sort of launchpad utils project?  Or e.g. as part of the bughelper project?
[23:18] <nealmcb> and questions coming up about the launchpad api, as might be predicted :-)
[23:57] <mpt> nealmcb, you could put it on help.launchpad.net I think