[01:31] <White_Light> is there any way to stop plank for starting upon logon? I see it's not in startup applications, and removing it via apt wants to remove ubuntu-mate-desktop entirely
[01:33] <Astro7467> could use MATE tweak to change layout - only some Inc plank
[01:33] <Astro7467> could use MATE tweak to change layout - only some Inc plank
[01:34] <Astro7467> Redmond has no plank
[01:34] <White_Light> my problem is that over time (say 8 hours) plank becomes more choppy and unresponsive, so I've replaced it with docky
[01:34] <White_Light> I'd rather just disable plank and keep cupertino
[01:37] <White_Light> perhaps it's that I'm using marco (compton) rather than compiz
[01:38] <Astro7467> give me 5min
[01:41] <Astro7467> Cupertino without plank = Ubuntu MATE with bottom panel removed
[01:44] <White_Light> alright, I was hoping there was just a config file I could change since I'd like to understand how it sets default applications
[01:44] <White_Light> but that's easy enough, thanks
[01:55] <cyrus_> I have a question
[01:55] <cyrus_> anyone there?
[01:57] <cyrus_> +i
[01:57] <cyrus_> hello?
[01:57] <cyrus_> i have i question
[02:31] <Astro7467> !ask | cyrus_
[07:54] <Ceri_Philippe> good morning
[07:57] <alkisg> Good morning
[10:14] <ubuntu-mate> hi, some one k know when 16.04.2 will be released?
[10:29] <luca__> hey la
[10:30] <mate|80365> hi, some one know when 16.04.2 will be released
[11:16] <Guest39636> hi, i'm having problems with changing my system locale
[11:17] <Guest39636> i want to set it to Japanese in order to run some programs that require it. however when I try to set it in "Language Support" there is a file that doesn't download when I try to change the locale.
[13:57] <roberts> -yo
[13:58] <roberts> Is there anybody out there?
[13:58] <Astro7467> yep, about 80+ ppl
[13:59] <roberts> 83 I guess
[13:59] <Astro7467> spot on
[13:59] <roberts> ;)
[14:00] <Astro7467> minus the bots tho
[14:00] <roberts> That's true!
[14:01] <roberts> What's going on in Budapest?
[14:02] <Astro7467> no idea. about to pack for a road trip here in Singapore tho
[14:02] <roberts> Oh nice!
[14:02] <roberts> Don't do drugs there!
[14:03] <roberts> Too expensive!
[14:05] <roberts> and very severe punishments!
[14:31] <neco122> hi
[14:35] <neco122> asf
[14:35] <neco122> asf
[14:48] <DarkPsydeLord> kaasdhb
[15:56] <claudie_> hello
[16:42] <enyc> Hrrm
[16:42] <enyc> Thomas Nak (thomasnak) wrote on 2016-09-09:	#15
[16:46] <enyc> oops
[16:47] <enyc> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/372/builds/ bugs on testing images, seems MATE is being generated at same time
[16:47] <enyc> (presuming) this means  Ubuntu-MATE-16.04.2  will come out same time as Ubuntu 16.04.2   on Monday (or so...) ???
[16:47] <enyc> NB:  Do we have a 'release manager' here ?
[17:42] <comptekki> may want to ask on #ubuntu-release
[17:44] <comptekki> i just asked - see if i get response....
[18:02] <comptekki> response from infinity: If by Monday you mean "not today", yes.  I've not re-set a hard date, but I was thinking Valentine's Day, with all the ISOs wrapped in heart-shaped bows. :P
[20:41] <Ntemis> sup an update guys
[20:41] <Ntemis> *just
[20:41] <Ntemis> i switched to cinammon 3.2 and no more file manager freezes
[20:41] <Ntemis> caja sucks at current state
[20:42] <Ntemis> nemo is very ok with sshfs
[20:42] <Ntemis> i have zero(0) issues
[20:42] <Ntemis> shame really
[22:36] <fizikz> something is preventing screensaver from blanking and locking the screen after the idle timeout. the screen transitions to black, then immediately wakes without locking.
[22:37] <fizikz> i'm running mate (installed via ubuntu-mate-desktop) running on ubuntu 16.04
[22:37] <fizikz> i'm using an external monitor and have my laptop's screen shut
[22:39] <fizikz> in gnome2/metacity which i was using on this system before, the behavior is as i expect. this issue came up since installing mate


[02:00] <sarnold> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548973
[02:05] <Unit193> Ain't that freaking fantastic?
[02:06] <sarnold> hmm. no osomon on irc either.
[02:10] <Unit193> They're all too busy looking at the shiny features of slack that they'll never use. :>
[11:03] <brlin> I would like to ask whether it is possible to extract files from Ubuntu Desktop installation image to a FAT file system drive and make it _fully_ functional as a bootable installation drive under UEFI firmware
[11:19] <rbasak> brlin: this channel is specifically for the development of Ubuntu itself. I suggest you try somewhere like askubuntu.com since your question is quite specialist and it seems unlikely to me that someone suitable expert will be around to give you an answer in realtime.
[14:44] <dupondje> Hmmm, will Ubuntu ship an updated firefox asap?
[14:44] <dupondje> or :)
[14:47] <dupondje> You can fix it by enabling studies, but thats disabled by default in ubuntu
[14:47] <dupondje> so :(
[14:58] <dupondje> chrisccoulson: don't know if you are still involved into firefox on ubuntu?
[15:00] <TJ-> dupondje: Mozilla are pushing out fixes, I've seen addons re-enabled already
[15:03] <dupondje> TJ-: I know, but they push fixes via studies, and thats disabled by default in ubuntu builds it seems
[15:04] <dupondje> so we won't get the fix by default
[15:04] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1827727 created some bug for tracking
[15:09] <TJ-> dupondje: ahh, didn't realise that, is that controlled by the app.shield.optoutstudies.enabled=true key?
[15:12] <dupondje> TJ-: think thats the one indeed
[15:13] <dupondje> but you can only enable studies when you enable some (basic) telemetry
[15:13] <dupondje> and it can take up to 6 hours until you get the fix
[15:13] <dupondje> not something you want I guess :D
[15:13] <TJ-> dupondje: I was confused since that is enabled on an ubuntu build of FF here, on Raspbian :)
[15:22] <brlin> rbasak: Got it, thanks!
[18:58] <tsimonq2> dupondje: Erm, isn't a server-side issue with Mozilla?
[18:58] <tsimonq2> All add-ons are working perfectly fine here on Eoan.
[21:50] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: Depends on your configuration.  Following links from the upstream bug report it seems to be being fixed at least in part by changes to browser code (e.g. https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release/rev/94eb3f14832dfc714f8bc4044eee043ce61c0299)
[22:25] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: Ah, ack.


[11:31] <bdrung> Sweetshark: i am around now
[12:04] <bdrung> Sweetshark: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=commitdiff;h=c6ddb3fdcb64fc8aee9fd212d6ecdea506a02736 -> should be Breaks instead of Conflicts
[12:08] <bdrung> nevermind, the next commit does exactly that
[16:00] <ogra_> qengho, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5661691/ .... you might want to try that for your endless failing chromium build
[16:03] <ogra_> qengho, (though probably just commenting sysroot is enough here)


[00:00] <tomreyn> relipse: do you have a file in /etc/ssl/private/ ?
[00:00] <relipse> tomreyn: yes ssl-cert-snakeoil.key
[00:00] <relipse> how do i use that sucker?
[00:00] <tomreyn> see. and the apache configuration file default-ssl.conf should already point to this
[00:00] <zenof> or: where is the font cache written to? permission issues?
[00:01] <tomreyn> relipse: you can reuse the existing configuration there for a virtualhost configuration if you like. of course the hostname won't match,t hough
[00:02] <tomreyn> relipse: alternatively you can create another certificate using the instructions on the web page i posted initially, https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/security-certificates
[00:03] <relipse> let me try this snake oil cert
[00:04] <tomreyn> relipse: you can also have a look at the ssl-cert package and the make-ssl-cert command it provides, which are used to generate /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key and /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem
[00:12] <tomreyn> Diagon: is this a fully up to date ubuntu, which release? nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version_signature,cmdline})
[00:12] <relipse> something is wrong with my configuration
[00:12] <relipse> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/JTvfJw8U/
[00:12] <relipse> Invalid command 'SSLEngine', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the
[00:12] <tomreyn> the first line belongs to the bottom
[00:13] <tomreyn> but the file also lacks more lines
[00:13] <relipse> my conf file has 2 virtualhosts in it one for 80 the other for 443
[00:13] <tomreyn> and you need to a2enmod ssl
[00:14] <Diagon> tomreyn - fully up to date, Ubuntu 20.04.3.  I'm running a scrub now.  so far no errors.
[00:16] <tomreyn> relipse: you should probably start by reading https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/web-servers-apache and /usr/share/doc/apache2*/README.Debian*
[00:18] <relipse> reading is for winners
[00:22] <zenof> my ~/.cache/fontconfig/ stays empty... this is where I would expect the cache files to be...am I right?
[00:23] <Diagon> tomreyn - scrub completed with no errors.  ravage - `debsums -s` doesn't report any relevant changed files.
[00:23] <relipse> why when i try to access https://www.handofhelp.test it doesn't work
[00:23] <Diagon> Hrumph!
[00:23] <relipse> but when i first went to https://handofhelp.test and made exception for my self signed certificate it worked
[00:23] <relipse> but with www it is not working
[00:24] <relipse> am I supposed to have 2 virtual horsts?
[00:24] <relipse> hosts~
[00:26] <tomreyn> relipse: you would need to create a virtualhost configuration for either hostname, use the ServerAlias directive, see https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/vhosts/name-based.html . also, are your web browser and the webserver running on the same computer?
[00:26] <relipse> tomreyn: kind of, i am on windows using wsl2
[00:27] <relipse> with ubuntu server for apache
[00:28] <relipse> tomreyn what about this, I have serveralias set up https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/wiRbiT70/
[00:28] <tomreyn> i see. your web browser will need to know which server (IP address) to connect to when you ask it to browse to a certain URL (which will contain the servers' hostname).
[00:28] <relipse> yeah i did all that already tomreyn in the windows hosts file
[00:29] <relipse> <IP_ADDRESS> www.handofhelp.test
[00:29] <relipse> <IP_ADDRESS> handofhelp.test
[00:29] <relipse> it was working fine without ssl
[00:29] <relipse> now its giving me a connection time out
[00:30] <relipse> should i take out the VirtualhHost *:80> section and just leave the 443 one?
[00:30] <tomreyn> i see. so with the updated apache httpd configuration file, you should now be able to access either location after you had apache httpd reload its configuration files (or restarted the service)
[00:31] <relipse> i already did reload and restart apache, but i'll try it again
[00:31] <relipse> oh sweet
[00:32] <relipse> that worked
[00:32] <relipse> thanks tomreyn
[00:32] <relipse> bless you
[00:32] <tomreyn> you're welcome.
[00:39] <Diagon> tomreyn - any idea why gedit is now launched as a service?
[00:39] <Diagon> gedit --gapplication-service
[00:39] <tomreyn> Diagon: no. what makes you think it is?
[00:40] <Diagon> Activating service name = org.gnome.gedit ..."
[00:40] <tomreyn> oh a dbus service, ok. i still don't know, but that's not a service in the system of systemd / not a daemon
[00:41] <Diagon> Ah, I.C.  TY
[00:41] <tomreyn> the gnome world and dbus are a bit of a miracle to me, i don'T think i can help a lot there.
[00:42] <Diagon> Mystery, mystery ...  Thanks for your help, regardless.  Maybe I should file a bug.  With... who?  Ubuntu?
[00:42] <tomreyn> a bug about what, though?
[00:43] <Diagon> gedit not producing a window and refusing to respond to kill.  You don't think thats' a bug?
[00:44] <tomreyn> oh it can be. i was not aware that this problem persists for you.
[00:44] <Diagon> It's been going on for months.
[00:44] <tomreyn> did you try the other suggestions i made?
[00:44] <Diagon> I think I tried all of them.  Did I miss something?
[00:45] <tomreyn> i don't know, you didn't respond to some
[00:45] <Diagon> I've scrubbed, debsum'd, re-installed, dmesg'd, journalctl'd
 you could also run smartctl -x
[00:46] <Diagon> I think I responded to all of them.
[00:46] <Diagon> Ya, I did that too.
 Diagon: is this a fully up to date ubuntu, which release? nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version_signature,cmdline})
[00:47] <tomreyn> ^ you answered this partially, we didn't see the full output
[00:47] <Diagon> I responded that it's fully up to date and that it's 20.04.3
[00:47] <Diagon> Ok, hold on ...
[00:47] <tomreyn> so it's one of the default kernels for 20.04.3?
[00:48] <Diagon> default kernel, yes....  https://termbin.com/26tai
 Diagon: if you are sure that there is really no indication of what may have happened on your logs (systemctl -b) then i suggest you could just reboot.
[00:49] <Diagon> It's been months of reboots.  Nothing changes.
[00:50] <tomreyn> i wasn't wondering about changes as much as about logged error conditions
[00:50] <Diagon> Well, journalctl -b isn't producing anything.
[00:50] <tomreyn> (and still am)
[00:50] <Diagon> Is there another log I should look at?
[00:50] <tomreyn> no output?
[00:51] <tomreyn> did you uninstall systemd-journald?
[00:51] <Diagon> No, there's output  Just nothing but success reported regarding gedit.
[00:51] <tomreyn> oh *regarding gedit*
[00:51] <Diagon> right
[00:52] <tomreyn> so there is output
[00:52] <tomreyn> i'm more wondering as to whether the could be some other problems, more low level, such as about btrfs or the disk controller or the like
[00:52] <tomreyn> if you would like to file a bug:
[00:53] <tomreyn> !bug
[00:53] <Diagon> Alright, tomreyn.  I'll go that route and hope something shows up.  I think I have some other editor here that I can use in the mean time.  I appreciate all your input!
[01:02] <zenof> I now have run "apt-get --reinstall install fontconfig", and the system-wide caches have been written as far a I can see in /var/cache/fontconfig but per user it still fails...
[01:03] <tomreyn> zenof: i don't think you have reported what is failing.
[01:04] <tomreyn> zenof: oh yes you did, sorry, missed that part
[01:04] <zenof> ...but then also "/home/zenof/.local/share/fonts: failed to write cache ...
[01:06] <tomreyn> zenof: does sudo apt update && sudo apt -f install && sudo apt full-upgrade && sudo apt dist-upgrade      (want to) do anything?
[01:07] <tomreyn> zenof: also, which ubuntu are you running?  nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version_signature,cmdline})
[01:09] <tomreyn> see also potentially related https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=909841
[01:12] <zenof> 20.04.3 in that case, all updated & upgraded. I double checked I have read and write permission in ~/.cache/fontconfig as well as in ~/.local/share/fonts . should I as a user have write access to /var/cache ?
[01:13] <tomreyn> you should not
[01:20] <zenof> and I don't ;) (re)moving ~/.local/share/fonts  lets 'fc-cache -rfv' exit 0, telling me it's skipping ~/.local/share/fonts as there is no such directory.
[01:38] <zenof> I remember I have had that before. Ends in all x11-apps starting up super slowly.
[01:57] <zenof> sorry, I had to gently stop gdm...
[02:56] <scottg489> At the end of an ubuntu install, is there a way to get the equivalent autoinstall config resulting from what you chose on the install menu?
[02:57] <ravage> there should be /var/log/installer/
[02:58] <scottg489> ravage: so I can crack open a terminal at the end of an install and that should have it in there?
[02:58] <ravage> the logs are in the booted system
[02:59] <scottg489> Sorry not sure what you mean by that
[02:59] <ravage> but they should already be there in the live session and then copied over
[02:59] <scottg489> Oh on the installed system. Let me take a look
[03:00] <ravage> im not sure if you can completely recustruct everything from it but that all you get
[03:00] <scottg489> Oh nice, yeah this looks like it
[03:01] <scottg489> What do you think would be missing from it?
[03:01] <ravage> i never really looked at them closely. i only know that they exist :)
[03:01] <scottg489> Well I'll give it a shot, thanks!
[07:16] <sweb> i just copy my image from Ubuntu 16.04 host to Ubuntu 20.04 host. then i cant load my virual machine. https://i.ibb.co/NxNTn1y/Screenshot-from-2022-01-16-10-45-05.png
[11:53] <whyglobaleyes> hi, never used IRC before, usually newb apologies.
[11:54] <whyglobaleyes> I'm trying to create a file demonstrating every installed font on my system - ideally a pdf
[11:55] <whyglobaleyes> I'm imaginging a bash script that parses through the "list" of installed fonts and prints out (a) the fontname and (b) a short string (or the contents of a text file) in that font.
[11:56] <whyglobaleyes> can anyone help or point me in the right direction of where I shoudl ask please?#
[12:20] <tomreyn> whyglobaleyes: hi! the main purpose of this channel is to support those who notice that something about their ubuntu installation doesn't work as it should be. you're trying to solve an individually chosen task that's not about solving a problem - you may find it more difficult to get help with this here.
[12:21] <tomreyn> for bash scripting, there is #bash, but we can also help to a degree here. for generic questions around linux and linux distros, there is #linux.
[12:21] <tomreyn> what you'd create by scripting, would be a textual list, and there are tools to automatically create PDF documents based on unstructured or structured textual input.
[12:21] <whyglobaleyes> @tomreyn thank you. any odea which channel might be better please?
[12:22] <tomreyn> see above for some additional suggestions. you can also keep asking here, but you'll be more successful when asking specific questions about a specific software, less so when asking how to solve an (arbitrarily chosen?) individual task.
[12:24] <tomreyn> we usually ask those seeking support here about their ubuntu version, too (and whether they actually run ubuntu, because there are a lot of derivatives which we can't support here.)
[12:24] <whyglobaleyes> tomreyn: thanks :: will try the bash channel : you can see that I don't even know how to reply to a msg so very very newb
[12:24] <whyglobaleyes> \quit #ubuntu
[12:25] <tomreyn> don't worry about being new to irc, that's fine.
[12:25] <whyglobaleyes> LOL - or how to quit a channle!
[12:25] <tomreyn> you can just stay here, and /join #another
[12:25] <tomreyn> or    /part #ubuntu    if you so desire
[12:27] <whyglobaleyes> okey-dokey. honestly. you'd have thought I'd picked up IRC experience & etiquette somewhere ... just spotted the /part command too. life's funny ... & grand
[12:30] <webchat54> anybody ever used xsane and then later had the resolution picker disappear and the "show resolution list" option grey out?
[12:36] <broccoli> Hi folks. Occasionally (every few days — I have to restart to get them to go away) I have processes that spin at 100% CPU. They can't be killed, even by `kill -9`. Looking at `/proc/2780701/stat`, the system time keeps increasing and increasing whereas the userspace time stays the same (so I think it's stuck in a syscall). Trying to attach GDB
[12:36] <broccoli> with `gdb -p 2780701` just makes gdb hang. Looking at `/proc/2780701/stack`, it seems something is happening but it's not very enlightening. Any ideas how I can get more details about this (or optimistically: even solve it)?
[12:48] <tomreyn> broccoli: i'd start with a quick examination on the systems' overall state, because such issues can be caused by incompatible library and kernel variants and versions.
[12:48] <tomreyn> can you show the url printed by this?    nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version_signature,cmdline})
[12:49] <tomreyn> this would get your ubuntu and kernel version and post it to the termbin.com website, where it is deleted after a while.
[12:54] <broccoli> https://termbin.com/vz94
[12:54] <betuxy> Hey guys, i want to compile a program, but i get an error about a missing library(?) however the package is installed and the location of the so file is in the command as well. So whats wrong? https://termbin.com/ngas
[12:55] <broccoli> I should mention it's a Raspberry Pi 4 (arm64)
[12:56] <tomreyn> broccoli: and it's not an ubuntu kernel, and probably an ubuntu derivative
[12:56] <tomreyn> broccoli: how did you install it?
[12:56] <broccoli> I used https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-your-raspberry-pi#1-overview
[12:57] <Kilroy> Hello
[12:57] <tomreyn> broccoli: which OS did you choose to install using the raspberry pi imiager?
[12:59] <tomreyn> broccoli: i may be wrong, maybe it's a proper ubuntu system - i'm trying to rule this out. can you show   apt list --installed linux.* | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:00] <tomreyn> betuxy: for support with compiling third party software, please use the support channels these third parties provide. probably somewhere on maxmind.com in this case.
[13:00] <Kilroy> betuxy how are you compliing said program?
[13:01] <fdsdf> betuxy what does `pkgconfig --libs pcre2-8` say?
[13:02] <broccoli> I installed it a long time ago but I chose the 64-bit Ubuntu for RPi 4. This system has been upgraded from 21.04 to 21.10 in the past as well. https://termbin.com/jo4a is what `apt list --installed 'linux*' | nc termbin.com 9999` says (with the dot, it only says 'Listing...')
[13:02] <fdsdf> pkg-config that is
[13:04] <betuxy> Kilroy: i followed the recommendations of the github page, which is download & extract tarball and then ron ./configure and make install
[13:04] <Kilroy> ok can you termbin the make file for me?
[13:05] <betuxy> Kilroy: https://termbin.com/odo4
[13:05] <betuxy> fdsdf: Package pcre2-8 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[13:05] <betuxy> howerver libpcre2-8 is installed
[13:05] <tomreyn> broccoli: so yes that's apparently ubuntu for raspi you're running there, supported here - sorry. https://packages.ubuntu.com/impish-updates/linux-raspi matches your kernel
[13:06] <Kilroy> betuxy try  libpcre2-8-dev ?
[13:06] <tomreyn> broccoli: and those kernel command line options, did you place them there or are those default?
[13:08] <tomreyn> broccoli: i'm referring to line 3 of https://termbin.com/vz94 which is the output of    cat /proc/cmdline    and what grub (configuration file /etc/default/grub ) passed to the kernel during boot
[13:08] <tomreyn> broccoli: and i'm wondering whether you changed this from the default
[13:08] <broccoli> I don't have particular reason to think I put them there, but it's possible some of them have been influenced by the config file on the pi's bootloader (which if I understand is unlikely to be grub :/)
[13:09] <betuxy> Kilroy: installing libpcre2-dev worked, i was confused because it explicitly asked for the so file that actually existed in fs. thanks though
[13:09] <tomreyn> oh right not grub, i'm silly.
[13:11] <broccoli> I found /boot/firmware/cmdline.txt with that line in and it doesn't look like I've touched it
[13:12] <broccoli> is something suspicious about any of those cmdline args?
[13:13] <tomreyn> broccoli: actually there is grub for raspi, but there is also flash-kernel, and i'm not sure what the current preferred method is for booting from ubuntu developers' perspective. sorry, i guess i just don't know enough about the raspi port.
[13:13] <broccoli> I can't find any traces of grub on here and it's certainly not something I would have removed myself if it was there :-)
[13:14] <broccoli> apt list flash-kernel says that's installed
[13:16] <tomreyn> broccoli: okay, i'm not sure what all of these options do, but if they've been set by default i guess they'll be fine. let's look into packages instead: sudo apt update && apt list --installed | egrep ',local\]' | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:18] <broccoli> that didn't return any lines (other than the apt-update output); not sure what it was aiming for to fix it though
[13:18] <tomreyn> it would not fix anything, just list packages or package versions which are not available from your configured apt repositories
[13:18] <tomreyn> (but are installed)
[13:19] <tomreyn> broccoli: also, do you have updates pending?   apt list --upgradable
[13:21] <broccoli> just `ubuntu-advantage-tools/impish-updates 27.5~21.10.1 arm64 [upgradable from: 27.4.2~21.10.1]`
[13:23] <tomreyn> broccoli: okay, that's all i wanted to check with you, all of which looks good. i'm afraid i'm not sure how to get a better idea of why the processes are stuck, though. maybe the linux perf utils could help getting a better idea.
[13:24] <tomreyn> broccoli: it could help to mention what these processes are and which state they are in, though.
[13:25] <tomreyn> and maybe just re-ask your question here after a while. there's also #linux if you can't seem to find help here quickly. or you could file a bug against ubuntu (type "!bug" here)
[13:26] <geek972> Hello tout le monde
[13:27] <tomreyn> hello there, geek972
[13:27] <broccoli> the first couple of times it happened, it was gcc/g++ compiling libsodium. This time now it's `/etc/update-motd.d/91-release-upgrade` and `/usr/share/prometheus-node-exporter-collectors/smartmon.sh` (part of Prometheus). I've attached `ps aux` of the two at https://termbin.com/jges if that's useful — happy to run anything else if you have ideas
[13:28] <geek972> No french people here?
[13:28] <geek972> please
[13:28] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:28] <oerheks> !fr
[13:33] <tomreyn> broccoli: hmm those processes are so different that i'd simply guess that maybe your storage is broken? you're not running this off off sd flash memory by chance?
[13:34] <broccoli> it's a SATA disk over a USB-SATA adapter
[13:35] <broccoli> though bets are up as to whether that's better or worse :D
[13:35] <tomreyn> broccoli: and did you inspect dmesg for any errors regarding the storage media or transport?
[13:35] <broccoli> yeah, dmesg is quiet
[13:36] <broccoli> well actually `Optimal transfer size 33553920 bytes not a multiple of physical block size (4096 bytes)` sounds weird
[13:36] <broccoli> could be a complete red herring but it sounds quite off
[13:38] <broccoli> (that message was from boot; not around the time of the problem)
[13:38] <Enissay> What would you advise using for this scenario: I need to be able to run multiple instances of any browser while being able to automatically replicate anything I do in one instance on the others (both mouse clicks & keyboard inputs)
[13:42] <tomreyn> broccoli: this could hint at the USB/SATA translation layer causing problems. see this related discussion: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/3070
[13:43] <tomreyn> (it was correctly closed there as off-topic sice this is not a raspi/linux issue)
[13:44] <broccoli> that's still very interesting
[13:44] <broccoli> and I note someone says that the JMS578 chip can have its firmware upgraded too... so maybe I have some pointers to go off there
[13:45] <tomreyn> Enissay: probably something selenium related.
[13:46] <Enissay> tomreyn: Could be, I'll jump to their channel to confirm. Thanks <3
[13:52] <broccoli> thanks tomreyn — that's given me something to go off with and at least have a chance :-)
[13:52] <tomreyn> good luck, broccoli
[14:26] <olspookishmagus> hello, what's the main reason that sometimes after booting a live media, I get a frozen system showing a garbled screen?
[14:29] <olspookishmagus> bad memory, improperly seated graphics card?
[14:30] <tomreyn> olspookishmagus: without more details, only guessing is possible. your guesses might apply. more commonly you could see such if the iso image did not download properly or was not properly written to the live media (or both)
[14:31] <Aarch64debian> sup
[14:31] <Aarch64debian> whats new
[14:31] <tomreyn> olspookishmagus: fortunately it is possible to verify that downloaded and copied / written data is identical to the source
[14:31] <tomreyn> Aarch64debian: hi, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[14:32] <olspookishmagus> tomreyn: I'm booting via an IODD-2541, but that's a good pointer I'll check with the checksums of the .ISOs
[14:32] <olspookishmagus> thank you for the idea tomreyn
[14:32] <tomreyn> !checksum | olspookishmagus
[14:34] <tomreyn> you can verify the data written to the installation source media using balena etcher (a cross-platform (but large download) GUI tool which does it by default), or by using dd and cmp
[14:34] <Aarch64debian> nothin just wanna know anythin new with ubuntu
[14:34] <olspookishmagus> tomreyn: I know my way around that - do you have a tip on how I could capture output (of what and how so I could debug if this keeps happening)?
[14:35] <tomreyn> Aarch64debian: try some of the other channels then, this one is just about support Q&A (see /topic)
[14:35] <olspookishmagus> Aarch64debian: ubuntu entered the space race, it now makes rockets too
[14:35] <Aarch64debian> ubuntu with spacex ?
[14:36] <tomreyn> !bootlog | olspookishmagus
[14:36] <Aarch64debian> starlink project
[14:36] <tomreyn> let's stay on topic, please, ubuntu support. there is #ubuntu-offtopic also.
[14:39] <olspookishmagus> tomreyn: it seems to be either happening WHILE booting and sometimes, just a while AFTER booting - but the weird part is that it happened to two different systems - maybe I have a faulty VGA cable and/or monitor
[14:39] <olspookishmagus> also traversing inside the directory tree and searching for checksum files gave me a cool idea for a script
[14:41] <tomreyn> olspookishmagus: if you have a chance to run dmesg on the booting/booted live/installer system, this could hint on what's going wrong, too.
[14:42] <tomreyn> (ideally storing it's output somewhere where it can persist for a bit longer, such as termbin.com or another pastebin site, or a local non volatile storage)
[14:46] <webchat54> why might I get messages similar to 'xfs filesystem being remounted at /run/systemd/unit-root/var/cache/private/fwupdmgr'
[14:46] <olspookishmagus> tomreyn: yeah, maybe a USB disk and a proper command will handle this
[14:48] <tomreyn> webchat54: where do you see this message, which ubuntu release are you running, how did you install?
[14:48] <webchat54> dmesg on Ubuntu 21.10 installed by USB iso
[14:49] <webchat54> I was using xsane and it gave an error "error during save: Broken pipe"
[14:49] <tomreyn> webchat54: i'm guessing this is part of an ongoing firmware upgrade, based on the paths given
[14:49] <webchat54> Error during save: Resource temporarily unavailable
[14:50] <tomreyn> webchat54: i think you should provide the commands you ran, and the output they produced, with additional context, on a pastebin.
[14:50] <tomreyn> (that is: please do not copy it here directly)
[14:51] <tomreyn> just quoting single error messages without sufficient context makes it difficult to support you.
[14:51] <webchat54> I'm not sure that I had anything to do with it. more dmesg: "xfs filesystem being remounted at /newroot/home/..... supports timestamps until 2038."
[14:52] <webchat54> Ok, understandable
[15:03] <Philip0> Hello this is the dmesg with the xfs partitions being remounted
[15:03] <Philip0> https://pastebin.com/ZDQQKN8z
[15:04] <Philip0> tomreyn
[15:07] <Philip0> there is other weirdness, apparmor messages, and
[15:07] <Philip0> actually when I issued "apt install xsane" it insisted on installing firefox when firefox was already installed.
[15:17] <Philip0a> how do I identify why snapd is running, or what installed programs might use it? Is it essential for a minimal installation?
[15:18] <ravage> it is part of the minimial install
[15:18] <ravage> "snap list" shows the installed applications
[15:22] <Philip0a> Should I be concerned by dmesg lines like audit apparmor="DENIED" for various capability's?  see https://pastebin.com/ZDQQKN8z
[15:26] <jhutchins> Philip0a: That's what apparmor is supposed to do is deny access.
[15:27] <Philip0a> How do I identify what is offending apparmor by attempting access to things denied?
[15:30] <Philip0a> One PID mentioned is snap-store. Is snap-store malware?
[15:38] <oerheks> Philip0a, it is just a bunch of messages, during update firefox and such
[15:38] <oerheks> not an error
[15:39] <Philip0a> so the many "xfs being remounted" is part of the normal update process?
[15:42] <oerheks> oh that silly xfs 2038 timestamp issue
[15:44] <oerheks> with kernel 5.11 and highr, one could fix that with ' xfs_admin -O bigtime=1 /dev/sdXY
[15:44] <oerheks> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=6249842#post6249842
[15:45] <oerheks> or
[15:45] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1302943/xfs-filesystem-being-mounted-at-disk-supports-timestamps-until-2038-0x7fffffff
[15:46] <Philip0a> and the DMAR DMA Read ... fault addr .... PTE Read access is not set  ?
[15:47] <oerheks> maybe that gets fixed when you fix xfs
[15:54] <Philip0a> I think it has to do with i915 which I believe is video
[15:56] <ogra`> do you run a standard kernel over there ?
[15:58] <Philip0a> I believe it is called "stable".
[15:58] <oerheks> dmar dma read.. no, i think that does not point to i915
[16:00] <Philip0a> DMAR: [DMA Read] Request device [00:02.0] PASID ffffffff fault addr 21a8ad000 [fault reason 06] PTE Read access is not set
[16:00] <Philip0a> i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] *ERROR* CPU pipe A FIFO underrun
[16:01] <Philip0a> I was making a wild guess that [00:02.0] ~ 0000:00:02.0
[16:01] <oerheks> could be from line 14; nvidia-drm ..
[16:03] <Philip0a> So nothing I need to follow up on, and probably nothing that would cause pipes to fail in xsane?
[16:04] <oerheks> did you fix your xfs yet?
[16:05] <Philip0a> do you mean xfs_admin -O bigtime=1 /dev/sdXY
[16:05] <Philip0a> I assumed that was only to quiet messages about 2038 and would not affect function
[16:06] <Philip0a> Anyway I think stable kernel is now 5.10.0.something, not 5..11
[16:07] <leftyfb> Philip0a: uname -a
[16:07] <leftyfb> Philip0a: what version of ubuntu is this?
[16:08] <Philip0a> Um, the current one? stable?
[16:09] <Philip0a> Ubuntu 21.10
[16:09] <leftyfb> Philip0a: Ubuntu doesn't have "stable" and "unstable". That is Debian.    ( uname -a ; cat /etc/os-release ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:09] <Philip0a> minimal install, all updates, apt install xsane (which installed firefox as a dependency, although it was already installed)
[16:10] <Philip0a> oh my mistake. not stable
[16:11] <leftyfb> Philip0a: please show the resulting termbin url
[16:12] <marc_> Got a problem in the nvidia control panel there is an option (force full composition pipeline) i tick the box and apply it but on next reboot i have to do it again and i cant save to X Configuration file any ideas
[16:12] <Philip0a> https://termbin.com/ruv3
[16:13] <marc_> save to X configuration says /etc/X11/xorg.conf then it says cant open for writting
[16:13] <leftyfb> Philip0a: why are you running 5.13?
[16:14] <Maik> leftyfb: because 21.10 comes with 5.13
[16:14] <leftyfb> oh, right, sorry
[16:14] <Philip0a> I inlstalled from USB iso of 21.10   It's my first time with Ubuntu and I didn't know any better
[16:14] <leftyfb> sorry, used to comparing on 20.04 ... was kinda on autopilot
[16:14] <Maik> no problem
[16:14] <Philip0a> appreciate any help
[16:16] <marc_> So anyone know how to fix this nvidia issue with ubuntu
[16:17] <Maik> marc_: patience, if someone knows they will respond
[16:18] <marc_> i could be dead by then.
[16:18] <Maik> meanwhile try searching askubuntu.com
[16:19] <marc_> already did that
[16:19] <tcurdt-> I have a "/etc/cron.d/db" with "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root" that does not seem to get executed "00 01 * * * root /usr/local/bin/cron.db >> /var/log/cron/db.log 2>&1"
[16:19] <tcurdt-> the logs only show "cron[622]: (*system*db) RELOAD (/etc/cron.d/db)"
[16:19] <Philip0a> saned is inactive (dead) with reason Unit saned.service is masked.  Do I need to unmask it and how?
[16:19] <tcurdt-> but no trace of trying to execute it
[16:21] <oerheks> marc_, 3rd answer, write your own nvidia-conf ? https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/510757/how-to-automatically-force-full-composition-pipeline-for-nvidia-gpu-driver
[16:22] <marc_> thankyou will read it now
[16:22] <oerheks> not sure that vsync is kicking in and disables it
[16:23] <marc_> ok i get tearing if this is not enabled
[16:24] <oerheks> for what card and what nvidiadriver?
[16:31] <marc_> GTX 780
[16:32] <marc_> just says river nvidia
[16:33] <marc_> driver nvidia
[16:33] <oerheks> oh you know how to tell what version
[16:34] <marc_> i just made a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
[16:35] <marc_> NVIDIA-SMI 470.86       Driver Version: 470.86       CUDA Version: 11.4
[16:36] <marc_> type nvidia-smi
[17:31] <marc_> Anyone know why there might be a delay with my Nvme drive it reads at 1692 MB/s then shoots up to 2820MB/s after a few seconds is there some sort of power managment on NVME i have to disable
[17:32] <oerheks> i think that is normal.
[17:33] <oerheks> it can read as fast as the buffers pump the data through.
[17:33] <marc_> nope i just tried it with my second Nvme and that one doesnt do it
[17:33] <oerheks> 'it does not' under the exact same conditions?
[17:33] <marc_> that one is reading at 3.1GB/s
[17:33] <marc_> exact same condiftions
[17:34] <oerheks> no, i don't believe it is weird/odd/broken/needs fixing
[17:36] <marc_> the write rate on both drives is also lousy at around 600MB/s
[17:37] <Jeremy31> firmware up to date?
[17:37] <marc_> the are corsair MP510's one 240gb the other 480gb
[17:38] <marc_> Force MP510 [ECFM22.7] on 480GB
[17:38] <marc_> Force MP510 [ECFM13.3] 240GB
[17:38] <marc_> the 240GB runs better than the 480GB
[17:39] <marc_> I cant run sandisks program for updating firmware as its windows
[17:41] <marc_> sorry i forgor sandisk is for my ssds corsair doesnt have a program for updating firmware
[17:43] <oerheks> then how would a powermanagment tweak fix your issue, as there is no issue IMHO, and without a proper firmware update
[17:44] <marc_> I just went on forum and they are saying there are issues with some firmware causing performance issues
[17:49] <marc_> how can i get firmware info on each drive in the terminal
[17:52] <oerheks> ask the vendor corsair? it is not part of this project https://fwupd.org/
[17:52] <oerheks> but you asked this before, same answer
[17:54] <marc_> i dont see this as a windows or corsair issue i see it as an ubuntu issue as its only having issues on ubuntu
[17:56] <oerheks> lolz, no, it is not an ubuntu isse.
[17:56] <oerheks> c/issue
[17:56] <marc_> it is now
[17:56] <Wakko[m]> Hello, i'm currently trying to make my touchpad work in Ubuntu 21.10. It doesn't even show in my lspci list. Can anybody help me?
[17:56] <oerheks> good luck!
[17:56] <Jeremy31> Wakko[m]: Does it show in lsusb
 ots a tiuch pad issue not an ubuntu issue
[17:57] <oerheks> Wakko[m], not even showing up in lspci?
[17:57] <Jeremy31> touchpads rarely show in lspci if ever
[17:58] <oerheks> Jeremy31, sure they do.
[17:58] <oerheks> Wakko[m],  on what laptop is this?
[17:59] <Wakko[m]> > Wakko: Does it show in lsusb... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/d20f69745aba8fbe724cd3fd801f34fbfbd36c3e)
[18:01] <Jeremy31> Wakko[m]:  URL from terminal for> xinput | nc termbin.com 9999
 "Wakko, not even showing up in..." <- Nope, i researched all the elements that appeared on the list and none of them seem to be a touchpad.
[18:06] <Wakko[m]> Jeremy31: ⎡ Virtual core pointer... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/d8cbb8e04c1c10097b3ee1756c0804e1db222d7b)
[18:07] <Jeremy31> Wakko[m]: check> dmesg | grep -i i2c
[18:07] <oerheks> maybe there is a HW switch, FN + some key
[18:07] <oerheks> or, i 'll wait for the laptop model, maybe it is a known issue
[18:08] <Wakko[m]> I tried KDE Neon before install Ubuntu 21.10 and the touchpad worked fine... but the wifi and ethernet not lol
[18:09] <Wakko[m]> oerheks: oh yes, it is but i'm pressed it many times and nothing happens.
[18:09] <Jeremy31> I wonder if a newer kernel is needed
[18:11] <Wakko[m]> > I tried KDE Neon before install Ubuntu 21.10 and the touchpad worked fine... but the wifi and ethernet not lol
[18:11] <Wakko[m]> Well, kind of... the tochpad worked buggy... but at least the pointer arrow could move
 "or, i 'll wait for the laptop..." <- It's a GemiBook X
[18:32] <oerheks> i think you have to fiddle with that FN key combo, and repeat xinput untill it sees it
[18:32] <oerheks> no simular bugreports for this model
[18:35] <Wakko[m]> > oh yes, it is but i'm pressed it many times and nothing happens.
[18:35] <Wakko[m]> ^
[18:37] <Jeremy31> Wakko[m]: Does it have Windows on it?
[18:38] <Wakko[m]> Jeremy31: No, i'm currently using Ubuntu 21.10.
[18:38] <oerheks> oh, fastboot .. good spot, Jeremy31
[18:39] <Jeremy31> Could get the hardware IDs for it from Windows Control Panel/Device Manager
[18:39] <Wakko[m]> Jeremy31: It came with Windows 10 preinstalled, but i installed Ubuntu 21.10 on it.
[18:40] <Wakko[m]> Jeremy31: I can't, i'm using Ubuntu only. No dual-boot.
[18:43] <Jeremy31> Wakko[m]: I was just explaining why I asked
[18:44] <Wakko[m]> oh sorry
[18:45] <moha> During Ubuntu Server installation I checked a tick for NextCloud and it's installed by snap. Now I need to change some configuration file of NextCloud to fix some errors, but not possible because of snap: Editting is not allowed ! Do you have any solution?
[18:45] <Wakko[m]> Well, i guess i must get used to live without touchpad.
[18:47] <marc_> or you could install MS windows and the touchpad would work.
[18:47] <leftyfb> marc_: stop
[18:48] <marc_> well its not an ubutu issue is it
[18:48] <leftyfb> Wakko[m]: can you boot into the BIOS and see if there's an option to enabled/disable the touchpad? Or better yet, to test it
[18:48] <leftyfb> marc_: that has yet to be confirmed
[18:48] <marc_> just like my Nvme
[18:48] <Wakko[m]> marc_: I read it comments about this laptop, and even in Windows, the drivers are a mess. LOL.
[18:48] <Jeremy31> Wakko[m]: check> dmesg | egrep -i 'i2c|pnp'
[18:49] <oerheks> moha, use sudo for editting?
[18:50] <leftyfb> marc_: your issue is clearly a hardware/firmware issue and nothing to do with your operating system. If one nvme works fine and another doesn't, then the OS isn't the problem as they both use the same drivers
[18:50] <moha> oerheks: Not possible to edit stuff in snap structure even by root user!
[18:51] <leftyfb> moha: snap applications still use settings in /etc/
[18:51] <moha> Seems it's using a filesystem, called squshfs
[18:51] <marc_> neither works fine the read spees on both are slow and both have different firmwares
[18:51] <marc_> write speeds sorry
[18:51] <moha> that is readonly
[18:51] <leftyfb> moha: /etc/ is not readonly
[18:52] <Jeremy31> It would be if the SSD is toast
[18:52] <moha> Ah, let me search in /etc to see if I can find any nextcloud configuration file there or not, Thanks for the hont
[18:52] <moha> hint*
[18:53] <marc_> the write speeds are 300 - 600 MB/s where they should be 1000 - 2000 MB/s
[18:53] <leftyfb> [12:33:05] <marc_> nope i just tried it with my second Nvme and that one doesnt do it   # doesn't this mean your "second Nvme" works fine?
[18:53] <marc_> thats the read speed delay
[18:54] <moha> leftyfb:  there's noting there related to nextcloud!
[18:54] <moha> I mean in etc
[18:56] <oerheks> so, without proper firmware update, which is not an ubuntu issue, you keep on asking for support..
[18:56] <leftyfb> moha: tried /var/snap/nextcloud/current/nextcloud/config/config.php ?
[18:57] <marc_> Im not the only one with issues with nvme on ubuntu its a common theme with it
[18:57] <Jeremy31> Wakko[m]: Have you tried closing the lid for a minute to see if it works after suspend?
[18:57] <leftyfb> marc_: https://askubuntu.com/a/1310892/1151311
[18:58] <marc_> not using NTFS
[19:00] <moha> leftyfb: No I was thinking of log file for /var/stuff; I'll try it now. Thanks
[19:00] <leftyfb> moha: huh? You said "I need to change some configuration file of NextCloud to fix some errors". How does that relate to log files?
[19:02] <moha> leftyfb: I mean I saw that there are some nextcloud files in /Var, but I didn't look at them as I always was thing of log box for /var
[19:02] <moha> thinking*
[19:03] <leftyfb> moha: /var isn’t just for logs. Please go look
 "Wakko: check> dmesg | egrep -i..." <- which package needs for "check" command? my terminal doesn't recognize it
[19:04] <Jeremy31> Wakko[m]: run  dmesg | egrep -i 'pnp|i2c'
[19:05] <Jeremy31> Wakko[m]: run is not part of the command
[19:06] <Wakko[m]> Jeremy31: "Failure to read kernel buffer: Operation not allowed"
[19:07] <Jeremy31> Wakko[m]:   sudo dmesg | egrep -i 'pnp|i2c'
[19:07] <Wakko[m]> Jeremy31: hahahaha lmao sorry
[19:07] <Wakko[m]> Jeremy31: oh yes sudo, i forgot it lol
[19:09] <tomreyn> Philip0a: those DMAR messages and the i915 CPU pipe FIFO underrun point to an actual problem with the intel graphics driver (i915) / BIOS (/ much less likely hardware)
[19:09] <leftyfb> moha: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-configure-nextcloud-on-ubuntu-18-04   it looks like "sudo nextcloud.occ config..." is what you want to use to configure aspects of nextcloud
[19:11] <Wakko[m]> Jeremy31: ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object [\_SB.PC00.I2C0._INI], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20210331/dswload2-326)... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/c3ec979948d54c600b9a6b1e3af21afb12153c8e)
[19:13] <moha> leftyfb: Thanks alot; editing that file in var solved the error; but the link and the command nextcloud.occ seems handy!
[19:14] <leftyfb> moha: I'm pretty sure editing that file isn't the intended way to modify nextcloud
[19:14] <Jeremy31> Wakko[m]: Unfortunately I can't find much from that, I would try closing the lid to see if it works after suspend
[19:14] <moha> leftyfb: +1
[19:17] <Wakko[m]> Jeremy31: No, i did it before. :(
[19:19]  * Wakko[m] uploaded an image: (59KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/bzveOkeuKntokyQXuazSQtNL/Guess-Ill-die-meme-1160x665.jpg >
[19:19] <Wakko[m]> guess i'll not have a touchpad
[19:23] <oerheks> still; i think you have to fiddle with that FN key combo, wait a few seconds.  and repeat xinput untill it sees it
[19:23] <oerheks> no more funny pics please
 "still; i think you have to..." <- Yes, that was one of the first things i did. But i didn't work. xinput shows the same devices. Anyway thank you all for your time and patience. I appreciate it very much. :D
[19:45] <marc_> What exactly does multipath do??
[19:46] <marc_> Native NVMe multipathing
[19:50] <marc_> I disabled multipathing service and it fixed the read delay on my nvme drive
[19:50] <marc_> sudo systemctl disable --now multipathd.service
[19:53] <marc_> and the drive now runs ar read speeds of 3.2GB/s
[19:55] <marc_> write speeds are still rubbish though
[21:27] <MonoL> Hi
[21:28] <MonoL> I got this program that I like using. Wish I knew how to add it to the main app draw with an icon.
[21:29] <MonoL> Just been launching it from the terminal
[21:32] <MonoL> Wish I knew how to make it a snap
[21:32] <MonoL> I love snaps
[21:32] <MonoL> snap find is cool
[21:32] <MonoL> I mean apt search is cool also
[21:34] <oerheks> there are many howtos, like this https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-create-desktop-shortcut-launcher-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[21:35] <oerheks> what program exactly, maybe someone wrote one already?
[21:35] <oerheks> also;  https://snapcraft.io/docs/creating-a-snap
[21:36] <leftyfb> MonoL: https://snapcraft.io/docs/creating-a-snap
[21:36] <leftyfb> damn, beat me to it
[21:36] <MonoL> Thanks I'll look now
[21:36] <MonoL> It's SunVox
[21:44] <transhumanist> Hi! whats the latest in virtualizing a windows desktop to ubuntu and kqemu? Is there a utility for doing this or do I need to use veeam or something to migrate the virtual machine to another system and and then install a core hypervisor and migrate it back?
[21:45] <transhumanist> if there is a better channel to talk about this let me know, sorry in advance
[21:46] <oerheks> one could kvm/virt manager , sure
[21:46] <oerheks> but how to migrate it back, really, i don't care
[21:47] <tomreyn> a windows or kvm related channel may be better suited, since this does not really seem to be related to ubuntu (other than virtualization runs on ubuntu)
[21:47] <transhumanist> I mean I am trying to make a micro hypervisor below the existing system ( I assume kqemu and ubuntu server perhaps)
[21:48] <transhumanist> so kvm channel it is
[21:48] <transhumanist> thanks
[23:16] <stuka> hey
[23:18] <matsaman> heyo
[23:50] <transhumanist> thats what I always loved about ubuntu, tripped over a power cord during an upgrade and a single command gets it back on track...


[00:00] <ubotu> New bug: #172946 in ubuntu "Distortion in left channel audio, when using SPDIF I/O port" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172946
[00:00] <ubotu> New bug: #172947 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Speakers keep playing when headphones jack plugged" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172947
[00:06] <ubotu> New bug: #172948 in fretsonfire (universe) "Cannot assign requested address" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172948
[00:06] <ubotu> New bug: #172949 in subcommander (universe) "subcommander crashes on svn checkout (https)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172949
[00:10] <ubotu> New bug: #172950 in gnome-panel (main) "windows switcher takes top "half" of space only, also defaults to 1x6 insead of 2x3 (using compiz-fusion)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172950
[01:11] <ubotu> New bug: #172960 in cheese (universe) "micro innovations basic webcam ic50c isnt detected bu ubuntu 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172960
[01:16] <ubotu> New bug: #172961 in ubuntu "hibernate & standby doesnt work on gateway ml3109" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172961
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #172965 in ubuntu "[gusty] eclipse won't start" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172965
[01:46] <ubotu> New bug: #172966 in f-spot (main) "Incomplete/Composite Tag Icon set [looks bad]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172966
[01:46] <ubotu> New bug: #172967 in ubuntu "NFS randomly does not mount at boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172967
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #172968 in ubuntu "7.10 Volume Control is different than that in 7.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172968
[01:50] <crimsun> hah.
[01:51] <crimsun> big surprise there.
[01:51] <persia> Wasn't that intentional?
[01:51] <crimsun> well, no.
[01:51] <persia> (the change, not the erratisim)
[01:51] <crimsun> unfortunately, that's how ALSA rolls.
[01:51] <persia> Ah.  Fun.
[01:54]  * persia turns on all the lights in anticipation of a scary noise
[01:55] <bddebian> Boooooooooooooo
[01:55] <bddebian> :-)
[01:55]  * persia dims the lights again, it now being safe
[03:01] <ubotu> New bug: #172974 in firefox (main) "Firefox <IP_ADDRESS> some times crashes and it is closed, in Kubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172974
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #172976 in ubuntu "Cannot connect to other computers with wifi" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172976
[03:25] <ubotu> New bug: #172977 in ubuntu "File Transfers Cannot be Paused" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172977
[03:41] <ubotu> New bug: #172978 in php5 (main) "PHP PDO_DBLIB out of memory when casting as text on a join" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172978
[03:41] <ubotu> New bug: #172979 in update-manager (main) "Partial french translation of dist upgrade time estimate" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172979
[03:56] <ubotu> New bug: #172980 in aptoncd (universe) "7.10 install failed on two issues" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172980
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #172984 in rhythmbox (main) "Opens and then closes (crashes) immediately." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172984
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #172985 in ubuntu "LCD Brightness buttons do not work on Thinkpad X61 Tablet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172985
[04:40] <TwoWheels> can anyone think why, after a recent update, when I log into my Ubuntu desktop the X server switches from 1280x1024 to 1024x768 ?
[04:41] <TwoWheels> I have checked /etc/X/xorg.conf
[04:41] <TwoWheels> it boots up to the right res. but then switches when I log in
[04:42] <Burgundavia> TwoWheels: this is not a support channel,but GNOME stores resolution
[04:42] <Burgundavia> you need to change it in GNOME
[04:43] <TwoWheels> I tried "gnome-display-properties" first
[04:44] <TwoWheels> system>screen resolution
[05:02] <TimmyTwoWheels> OK, thanks for the pointer. I had another look at Gnome settings and sorted it.
[05:03] <persia> That just sounds wrong.  GNOME and X should communicate more :(
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #172988 in postgis (universe) "regression test failed installing postgis-1.3.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172988
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #172989 in compiz (main) "memory leak Gutsy compiz fglrx" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172989
[05:41] <RAOF> Yay!  Both binary blobs can leak with compiz now :)
[06:21] <ubotu> New bug: #172990 in php5 (main) "session handler causes segfault" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172990
[06:21] <ubotu> New bug: #172991 in sensors-applet (universe) "Crash when removed from panel with preferences dialog open" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172991
[07:41] <dholbach> good morning
[07:56] <ubotu> New bug: #172994 in dict-af (main) "Spelling mistake (!) in main description of package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172994
[08:01] <ubotu> New bug: #172995 in ubuntu "after suspend, lsusb needed to wake up usb keyboard/mouse" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172995
[08:19] <ubotu> New bug: #172997 in totem (main) "Errors encountered in play list" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172997
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #172999 in vlc (universe) "VLC Segfaults after trying to quick open a new file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172999
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #173004 in update-manager (main) "php5 updates to unwanted apache packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173004
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #173008 in ubiquity (main) "keyboard selection (dvorak) not preserved after install in hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173008
[09:33] <dholbach> seb128: python-launchpad-bugs can parse comments and all other kinds of stuff from the /+text pages now
[09:34] <dholbach> that means we have all the readonly lpbugs operations pretty stable now :)
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #173012 in compiz (main) "Hardy alpha 1 wants to use compiz in vmware" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173012
[09:36] <kagou> hi
[09:39] <pochu> anyone using Gutsy and liferea which can do a small test? :-)
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #173015 in gnome-panel (main) "sound not working with gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173015
[10:06] <ubotu> New bug: #173016 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] diskman" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173016
[10:20] <pochu> re
[10:20] <pochu> anyone with Gutsy + liferea? :)
[10:31] <ubotu> New bug: #173020 in avant-window-navigator (universe) "package libawn0 0.2.1-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libawn.so.0.0.1', which is also in package avant-window-navigator" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173020
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #145929 in ubuntu "Preference setting for browser may cause exception in certain condition" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145929
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #173022 in ubuntu "OOPS-699C866 ntp error evrytime i install packages also when i uninstall..." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173022
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #173023 in totem (main) "totem crashed with SIGSEGV (dup-of: 172848)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173023
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #173024 in thunderbird (main) "In reply message the old message don't have time and date" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173024
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #173025 in ttf-indic-fonts (main) "Broken Malige font garbles Kannada text on fresh installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173025
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #173026 in openssl (main) "if /etc/ssl is a link to another directory, the Package openssl overrides it." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173026
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #173027 in gnump3d (universe) "GNUMP3d isn't set up to use a logfile properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173027
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #173028 in firefox (main) "system hangs when starting firefox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173028
[11:21] <ubotu> New bug: #172812 in pygame (universe) "crafted pygame input can cause segfault" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172812
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #173030 in em8300 (multiverse) "can't insert module on 2.6.22-14-gerneric" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173030
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #173031 in texlive-extra (main) "acronym.sty in texlive-latex-extra requires suffix.sty in texlive-humanities" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173031
[11:54] <persia> bug #163102
[11:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 163102 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] libtext-levenshteinxs-perl" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163102
[12:01] <persia> bug #163103
[12:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 163103 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] libtk-toolbar-perl" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163103
[12:02] <ubotu> New bug: #173032 in system-config-printer (main) "Windows network printer not listed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173032
[12:02] <ubotu> New bug: #173034 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] flvtool2: Flash Video metadata tool" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173034
[12:09] <persia> bug  #138621
[12:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138621 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] LiveMix" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138621
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #173037 in gnome-panel (main) "firefox dissappears when minimised" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173037
[12:40] <persia> bug #129081
[12:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129081 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Mumble" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129081
[12:45] <TheMuso> c
[12:45] <TheMuso> argh
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #173038 in firestarter (universe) "Firestarter  segfault " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173038
[12:56] <dholbach> MOTU Q&A session in 4 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[12:58] <pedro_> hey dholbach!
[12:58] <dholbach> heya pedro_
[13:10] <ubotu> New bug: #173039 in sound-juicer (main) "I can create SJ-MP3-Profil, but dont see it in the list after restart SJ" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173039
[13:10] <ubotu> New bug: #173040 in ubuntu "Bugs in ubuntu-7.10-server-i386.iso" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173040
[13:10] <ubotu> New bug: #173041 in ubuntu "cannnot install updates automatically" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173041
[13:41] <ubotu> New bug: #173043 in php5 (main) "php5 5.2.3-1ubuntu6.1 introduced segfault regression" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173043
[13:43] <eljefe_> vmware-server is now available but i get a broken package warning when i try to install it:  Depends: libssl0.9.7 but it is not installable
[13:44] <Hobbsee> feisty?
[13:45] <eljefe_> gutsy, sorry
[13:45] <persia> eljefe_: That's unfortunately something VMWare needs to fix.  libssl0.9.7 had a bunch of security issues, and needed to be removed (there are newer libssl versions in the archive).  Last I checked, VMWare was compiled against this, and needs to be recompiled.  (Assuming you're using gutsy)
[13:46] <persia> Hobbsee: Did we ever find a solution for libssl0.9.7 in feisty?  I thought that was still open.
[13:46] <eljefe_> ehg.  i've been waiting for some vmware app for a while now!  so i was excited to see it on the rss feed and now it wont install.  sad for me.
[13:47] <Hobbsee> persia: dont think so
[13:47] <Hobbsee> eljefe_: go bug vmware
[13:48] <eljefe_> better to bug them than to write a bug report?
[13:48] <persia> eljefe_: It should take VMWare about an hour or two to fix.
[13:48] <Hobbsee> er, does it compile with the later vmware anyway?
[13:48] <eljefe_> yeah right, its a company.
[13:48] <Hobbsee> eljefe_: yes.  it's not ubuntu's problem
[13:48] <eljefe_> ok
[13:48] <persia> eljefe_: A bug report works, but it should be a VMWare bug report: Ubuntu can't do anything.
[13:48] <Hobbsee> eljefe_: so, if you do, it'll just be closed, and you'll get told to go whinge at vmware.
[13:48] <eljefe_> lol ok
[13:48] <eljefe_> so why was the package added at all, three hours ago, if it won't install?
[13:49] <persia> Hobbsee: Assuming you mean compilation with later libssl: it ought, but I didn't have source to try last time I looked.
[13:49] <persia> eljefe_: Ask the VMWare test engineers :)
[13:49] <Hobbsee> eljefe_: did you add the partner repo 3 hours ago by any chance?
[13:49] <eljefe_> no, had it for a while.
[13:50] <Hobbsee> oh, i think magicfab then asked for it to be copied (mistakenly)
[13:50] <eljefe_> just saw it in the rss feed for gutsy changes; then went to the launchpad site and it said uploaded 3hrs ago
[13:51]  * persia laments the lack of a functional "Undo" function in gloablly distributed systems
[13:51] <dholbach> bzr uncommit? bzr revert?
[13:52]  * eljefe_ laments the lack of roll-back functionality for package installations to certain dates
[13:52] <persia> dholbach: Doesn't help once something hits Packages.gz :(
[13:53] <dholbach> persia: oh sorry, I thought you were talking about VCSes
[13:53]  * eljefe_ includes changes to essential config files and compiled apps
[13:53] <persia> dholbach: No, but even so, bzr uncommit and bzr revert don't guarantee nobody else branched it in the interim.
[13:54] <dholbach> right, that can happen, but if they merge regularly or use a bound branch, they will benefit if you uncommit or revert
[13:54] <Hobbsee> !ping
[13:54] <ubotu> pong
[13:55] <persia> dholbach: Sure.  Just requires an update.  Same for Packages.gz.  You can't undo, but you can fix it :)
[13:55] <dholbach> yeah :)
[14:17] <ubotu> New bug: #173046 in totem (main) "[hardy] youtube totem plugin does not work / needs python-gdata" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173046
[14:17] <ubotu> New bug: #173047 in ubuntu "Kernel upgrade: incorrectly configured GRUB" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173047
[14:21] <ubotu> New bug: #173049 in ubuntu "Kernel 2.6.22-14-386 networking problem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173049
[14:25] <ubotu> New bug: #173050 in update-manager (main) "update-manager does not correctly interpret gnome proxy configuration [gutsy]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173050
[14:35] <ubotu> New bug: #173052 in firefox (main) "Firefox crash at startup in gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173052
[14:35] <ubotu> New bug: #173053 in kdebase (main) "package kdebase-bin-kde3 None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/kdebase-bin-kde3.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/kdebugdialog', which is also in package kdebase-bin" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173053
[14:35] <ubotu> New bug: #173054 in gnome-app-install (main) "gnome-app-install crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173054
[14:45] <ubotu> New bug: #173055 in ubuntu "Please sync midori 0.0.11-1 (universe) from Debian experimental (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173055
[14:55] <persia> bug #172484
[14:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 172484 in ubuntu "Please package Prism" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172484
[15:05] <bddebian> Boo
[15:06] <ubotu> New bug: #173057 in apt-file (universe) "`_apt-file': not a valid identifier" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173057
[15:11] <ubotu> New bug: #173058 in restricted-manager (restricted) "restricted-manager crashes on executing" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173058
[15:14] <ogra> bee
[15:33] <tim1> hi, I'm having a serious issue with my system freezing randomly
[15:34] <tim1> I reported a bug and I'm unsure what to do now
[15:36] <tim1> I read some info on bug reporting on the wiki but it only talks about how to file a bug, not what happens after that
[15:39] <ubotu> New bug: #173065 in ubuntu "upgrade tool should cache downloaded files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173065
[15:39] <ubotu> New bug: #173066 in libjdepend-java (main) "This is broken" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173066
[15:39] <tim1> is this the right channel to ask?
[15:40] <pedro_> tim1: what's the number of your bug?
[15:40] <tim1> 159398
[15:41] <ubotu> New bug: #173067 in ltsp (main) "Client Doesn't Inherit Keyboard Settings from Server" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173067
[15:41] <ubotu> New bug: #173069 in kmyfirewall (universe) "kmyfirewall error on trying to install firewall" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173069
[15:44] <pedro_> tim1: may you please follow the instructions located here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeamBugPolicies
[15:44] <pedro_> and submit the files they ask?
[15:44] <pedro_> as an attachment, please
[15:48] <somerville32> What ever happened to sfflaw?
[15:49] <tim__> sorry
[15:49] <tim__> ubuntu crashed again, had to reboot
[15:51] <ubotu> New bug: #173071 in bug-buddy (main) "[hardy] bug-buddy keeps reporting errors" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173071
[15:52] <tim__> ok I read your response in the log files, thanks pedro_
[15:52] <pedro_> you're welcome
[15:55] <pochu> somerville32: he doesn't work for canonical anymore afaik
[15:58] <tim__> pedro_: do you think I should assign the bug to someone?
[15:59] <pedro_> tim__: no, as soon as it get triaged it will be assigned to someone
[15:59] <pedro_> team or person
[16:00] <tim__> how long does it uasually take for bugs to get triaged?
[16:01] <pedro_> it depends on the workload of the team, usually a few hours, sometimes minutes it depends on that
[16:01] <tim__> hmm.. I'm just asking because I reported the bug one month ago
[16:02] <tim__> I know the wiki says that if I don't choose a package it might take longer, but I wasn't sure about the package and I certainly didn't expect it to take that mich longer
[16:05] <ubotu> New bug: #173075 in openoffice.org (main) "After feisty->gutsy upgrade, OpenOffice Writer lockup when printing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173075
[16:20] <ubotu> New bug: #173077 in babel "[FTBFS] babel 0.10.2-2.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173077
[16:22] <afflux> what importance should FTBFS bugs for packages in universe have?
[16:22] <somerville32> afflux, For what release?
[16:24] <afflux> somerville32: hardy
[16:24] <somerville32> afflux, low most likely
[16:25] <somerville32> afflux, Just fix it, why file a bug report? :P
[16:25]  * persia likes "medium" for those (and it's someone else's bug report for their patch)
[16:25] <ubotu> New bug: #173078 in evince (main) ""Save a Copy" looses file name when a diferent directory is chosen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173078
[16:25] <afflux> somerville32: hehe
[16:25] <afflux> somerville32: well, I didn't report them ;)
[16:32] <ubotu> New bug: #173079 in bughelper (universe) "buginfo --bugnr results in python or missing cookie error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173079
[16:41] <ubotu> New bug: #173080 in ubuntu "update manager: E: Package hl1250lpr needs to be reinstalled,but can't find an archive for it." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173080
[16:51] <ubotu> New bug: #173083 in firefox (main) "Firefox open two tabs when double-click in tab bar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173083
[16:55] <ubotu> New bug: #173082 in gthumb (main) "GThumb crashes everytime!!!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173082
[17:05] <ubotu> New bug: #173086 in gnome-cups-manager (universe) "Translations are missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173086
[17:05] <ubotu> New bug: #173087 in ubuntu "Can't print A6 photo from EyeOfGnome" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173087
[17:15] <ubotu> New bug: #173088 in apt-proxy (universe) "Merge apt-proxy-<IP_ADDRESS> from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173088
[17:21] <ubotu> New bug: #173091 in ubuntu "Selecting Accessibility from the keyboard options, at the reboot Gnome is so crazy..." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173091
[17:26] <ubotu> New bug: #173090 in openoffice.org2 "Special characters are not displayed correctly, fonts dissappear from the menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173090
[17:26] <stevecrozz> is anyone available to ask about a certain bug that I can reproduce in the terminal window?
[17:26] <stevecrozz> I'm not sure exactly where to file it
[17:34] <bdmurray> stevecrozz: sure
[17:35] <bdmurray> What is going on?
[17:36] <ubotu> New bug: #173093 in openoffice.org (main) "OOXML files should be associated with openoffice" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173093
[17:45] <ubotu> New bug: #173094 in privoxy (universe) "The default Ubuntu configuration of privoxy makes it vulnerable to a filtering bypass" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173094
[17:45] <ubotu> New bug: #173095 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12 "nvidia geforce4 488Go and nvidia driver" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173095
[17:53] <stevecrozz> bdmurray: I filed this report at gnome.org
[17:53] <stevecrozz> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/post_bug.cgi
[17:54] <stevecrozz> Do you think that's the appropriate place?
[17:54] <stevecrozz> excuse me, the correct address is http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=500695
[17:54] <ubotu> Gnome bug 500695 in general "Garbled terminal text" [Minor,Unconfirmed]
[17:55] <ubotu> New bug: #173097 in bluez-utils (main) "[Gutsy] pand connect fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173097
[17:56] <bdmurray> stevecrozz: does it only happen with gnome-terminal?
[17:57] <stevecrozz> good question, what else should I try to reproduce it in?
[17:57] <pedro_> stevecrozz: xterm for example
[17:57] <bdmurray> thanks pedro_
[17:57] <pedro_> stevecrozz: try to disable compiz and test with gnome-terminal again
[17:57] <pedro_> could a compiz bug
[17:58] <stevecrozz> xterm appears to work find
[17:59] <stevecrozz> fine*
[18:00] <stevecrozz> and the bug is present using metacity
[18:02] <pedro_> stevecrozz: ok so it's a vte issue, sounds like a duplicate to me, i'll take care of the report later and let you know
[18:03] <ubotu> New bug: #173098 in openoffice.org (main) "Can't right click on 'Table of Content' to update it. " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173098
[18:03] <ubotu> New bug: #173099 in xdg-user-dirs (main) "Broken symbolic links as xdg directories cause application or system hang" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173099
[18:03] <stevecrozz> thanks pedro_
[18:03] <pedro_> you're welcome
[18:03] <persia> stevecrozz: That's actually somewhat expected.  You can get the terminal back by pressing ^C to exit tail, and typing `reset` <ENTER>
[18:04] <persia> (it's still a bug though)
[18:06] <ubotu> New bug: #173100 in ubuntu "gpg waiting for lock (held xxx probably dead)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173100
[18:06] <ubotu> New bug: #173101 in apt (main) "apt-get reporting wrong time to download updates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173101
[18:06] <stevecrozz> when I type reset, it looks like ⎼␊⎽␊├, but that does do the trick
[18:07] <persia> Yep.  The characters in "reset" are just as garbled in output as anything else.  I suspect the binary is feeding terminal escape sequences to change into old VT100 symbol mode, but I'm not sure if that is still supported on purpose.
[18:08] <pedro_> stevecrozz: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127870
[18:09] <ubotu> Gnome bug 127870 in VteTerminal "terminal garbled and needs 'reset' after cat'ing file" [Normal,Reopened]
[18:10] <stevecrozz> That looks like it could be it
[18:10] <maini10> Hello, I need an opinion about bug 162053. It looks like a severe security bug. Do you suggest to confirm it?
[18:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162053 in adept "adept manager does not check the signature of the repository" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162053
[18:10] <afflux> persia: I'm back :) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=797
[18:10] <afflux> doh, wrong channel
[18:10] <persia> afflux: Strange place to find me about that :)
[18:11] <ubotu> New bug: #173102 in tilda (universe) "SHIFT+CTRL+C send a CTRL+C after copy   " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173102
[18:11] <keescook> maini10: hunh, that's worrisome
[18:13] <maini10> keescook: but I'm sure that apt check correctly the signature, so this is probably a bug of adept
[18:13] <stevecrozz> I marked my bug as a duplicate
[18:13] <keescook> maini10: yeah, I've helped write the apt checks.  :P
[18:14] <pedro_> stevecrozz: that's great, thanks!
[18:15] <bdmurray> pedro_: is there an ubuntu bug that is linked to that one?
[18:16] <pedro_> bdmurray: probably, let me check
[18:21] <ubotu> New bug: #173103 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] kirocker" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173103
[18:21] <ubotu> New bug: #173104 in ubuntu-docs (main) "doc.ubuntu.com/  needs updated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173104
[18:24] <pedro_> bdmurray: we don't have anything yet
[18:25]  * pedro_ save the search in case of
[18:35] <ubotu> New bug: #173105 in synaptic (main) "installation of kdenlive impossible gutsy libmlt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173105
[18:35] <ubotu> New bug: #173107 in bluez-utils (main) "bluetooth module can't recieve filetransfer " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173107
[18:40] <ubotu> New bug: #173108 in openal (main) "Please sync openal 1:0.0.8-7 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173108
[18:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135573 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[Gutsy]ati or radeon driver for X300 PCIE video card" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135573
[18:50] <ubotu> New bug: #173109 in kubuntu-default-settings (main) "2 Screen Savers not working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173109
[18:51] <ubotu> New bug: #173110 in gnome-media (main) "gstreamer-properties clears custom video input settings on re-launch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173110
[18:51] <ubotu> New bug: #173111 in nautilus (main) "Broken links don't appear in HOME folder" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173111
[18:51] <ubotu> New bug: #173112 in ubuntu "[hardy] Installer should warning on low ram amount " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173112
[18:51] <ubotu> New bug: #173113 in ktechlab (universe) "Problems when rotating potentiometers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173113
[19:07] <ubotu> New bug: #173114 in vmware-server (partner) "Cannot install vmware server 1.0.4 on gutsy : wrong version of libssl" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173114
[19:35] <ubotu> New bug: #173117 in wmclock (universe) "Please upload merge wmbinclock-0.5-5 (universe) from debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173117
[19:40] <ubotu> New bug: #173118 in gnome-app-install (main) "totem crashed when looking for mp3 decoder" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173118
[20:02] <ubotu> New bug: #173119 in ubuntu "Include Kohana (php framework) in MOTU" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173119
[20:04] <ubotu> New bug: #163411 in update-manager "Typo in update manager window (dup-of: 153242)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163411
[20:04] <ubotu> New bug: #164939 in ubuntu "fuzz on pdf creates double free in evince/poppler" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164939
[20:08] <ubotu> New bug: #173120 in qemu (universe) "[patch] qemu-img prints confusing error message" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173120
[20:11] <ubotu> New bug: #173122 in ubuntu "/proc/bus/usb is empty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173122
[20:11] <ubotu> New bug: #173123 in kino (main) "Error messages during installation of kino_1.1.0-3ubuntu2_amd64" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173123
[20:26] <ubotu> New bug: #173124 in kde-guidance (main) "kde-guidance-powermanager shows bogus state after hal restarts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173124
[20:30] <ubotu> New bug: #173126 in ubuntu "tcp_rmem value is too high, bad internet performance results" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173126
[20:35] <ubotu> New bug: #173127 in cmus (multiverse) "sync version 2.2.0-1 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173127
[21:21] <ubotu> New bug: #173128 in ubuntu "Intel 3945 not detected on Amilo Li1818 002" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173128
[21:21] <ubotu> New bug: #173129 in openoffice.org (main) "Open Office on Kubuntu (not Ubuntu) crashes when opening particular file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173129
[21:30] <ubotu> New bug: #173130 in ubuntu "edubuntu hardy 64bit live cd issues" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173130
[21:35] <ubotu> New bug: #173132 in network-manager (main) "package network-manager 0.6.5-0ubuntu17 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173132
[22:06] <ubotu> New bug: #173133 in evince (main) "Invisible text on the document: http://www.t-l.ch/pom2.pdf" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173133
[22:21] <ubotu> New bug: #173137 in ubuntu "xubuntu crashes and don't boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173137
[22:27] <burner> anyone notice that the new vmware-server 1.0.4-1 just released in gutsy requires libssl0.9.7, but libssl0.9.8 is in gutsy?
[22:29] <ogra> burner, there was a fix uploaded to the partner repo i think
[22:29] <burner> werd... prolly just hasn't hit my mirror yet
[22:30] <burner> thanks ogra
[22:30] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gutsy-changes/2007-November/010040.html
[22:30] <burner> aww.. seems the gutsy changed rss feed isn't as fast at updating as the mailing list
[22:56] <ubotu> New bug: #173145 in docbook-xsl (main) "conflicts with other docbook-xsl-doc-xxx packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173145
[22:56] <ubotu> New bug: #173146 in gnome-menus (main) "Patch for preventing useless KDE menu entries to be shown in gnome menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173146
[22:56] <ubotu> New bug: #173147 in epiphany-browser (main) "epiphany doesn't always display page's css correctly (64-bit only)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173147
[23:06] <ubotu> New bug: #173148 in openoffice.org (main) "Openoffice.org apps start with tiny toolbar fonts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173148
[23:06] <ubotu> New bug: #173149 in update-notifier (main) "No icon is shown in notification area while update-notifier is checking for new updates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173149
[23:06] <ubotu> New bug: #173151 in gl-117 (universe) "No icon is shown in gl-117 menu entry" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173151
[23:25] <ubotu> New bug: #173152 in yudit (universe) "Yudit man page states incorrect copy of configuration file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173152
[23:40]  * emgent heya
[23:41] <ubotu> New bug: #173153 in audacity (universe) "[CVE-2007-6061] Denial of service and deletion of an arbitrary directory tree via symlink attack" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173153
[23:41] <ubotu> New bug: #173154 in kdebluetooth (main) "KBlueMon crashes when scanning with service discovery enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173154
[23:50] <ubotu> New bug: #173155 in gsambad (universe) "Please upload merge gsambad-0.1.8-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (admin)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173155
[23:56] <ubotu> New bug: #173156 in evolution (main) "[hardy] DIGEST-MD5 does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173156


[02:19] <ian_brasil> anyone know what testing can be done on arm?
[02:20] <ian_brasil> regarding assistive technology support
[14:13] <ara> bonjour cr3
[14:21] <davmor2> morning fader_ cr3, afternoon ara
[14:21] <fader_> davmor2: Wassaaaaaaaap?
[14:22]  * davmor2 slaps fader_ to knock him out of his 90's time warp
[14:22] <fader_> davmor2: Listen, I've seen your last.fm playlist.  You can't slap *anybody* out of a time warp. :P
[14:23] <davmor2> fader_: I think you'll find it's just a step to left
[14:23] <davmor2> and then a jump to the riii-iiight
[14:24] <fader_> You mixed up 'step' and 'jump' :P
[14:24] <cr3> hi folks
[14:24] <davmor2> you got the drift :P
[14:33] <davmor2> fader_: lets face facts I older, better looking, and know worse songs ;)


[00:07] <zouzou> hi
[00:07] <Armageddon> hello
[00:08] <zouzou> you lebanese?
[00:11] <Armageddon> does it matter ?
[00:11] <zouzou> no not really
[00:11] <zouzou> i wanted to ask a question
[00:12] <zouzou> have you upgraded to 11.10?
[00:12] <Armageddon> why didn't you start with the question ? could've saved yourself lots of time
[00:12] <Armageddon> I don't use Ubuntu
[00:12] <zouzou> sorry
[00:12] <zouzou> og
[00:12] <zouzou> oh*
[00:12] <Armageddon> so my answer is no...
[00:12] <zouzou> well that sucks
[00:12] <Armageddon> are you looking to upgrade ?
[00:13] <zouzou> i already upgraded
[00:13] <Armageddon> and ?
[00:13] <zouzou> and i'm confused as hell
[00:13] <zouzou> can't find anything :S
[00:13] <Armageddon> why ? what did they change this time ?
[00:14] <zouzou> the simplest thing is
[00:14] <zouzou> in earlier versions
[00:14] <zouzou> whenever you inserted a DVD or a USB device
[00:14] <zouzou> it wouldv'e shown up on the desktop
[00:14] <zouzou> now ir doesn't
[00:14] <Armageddon> ok
[00:14] <zouzou> it*
[00:15] <zouzou> that's one thing
[00:15] <Armageddon> I'm downloading it, let's see
[00:15] <Armageddon> are they still using that unity thingy ?
[00:15] <zouzou> yeah
[00:15] <Armageddon> so it means it won't work in vbox
[00:16] <zouzou> and i'm afraid to download the new version of gnome
[00:16] <Armageddon> what new version of gnome ? you mean gnome 3 ?
[00:16] <Armageddon> did you give KDE a try ?
[00:16] <zouzou> reviews about it say it's very close to unity
[00:16] <zouzou> maybe i should
[00:17] <Armageddon> gnome-shell you mean ?
[00:17] <zouzou> never used it before
[00:17] <zouzou> yeah
[00:17] <Armageddon> reviews are incorrect
[00:17] <Armageddon> how can gnome-shell of the Gnome project which started before Unity be close to unity ?
[00:17] <Armageddon> it would probably be the other way around wouldn't it ? ;)
[00:18] <zouzou> People who didn't like to use Unity in 11.04 could easily switch to Gnome, which is of course far more flexible and user-friendly than Unity. So why they decided to throw it all away and come out with this awful interface is beyond me. The first thing you'll notice when you open the activities menu is it's a horrible jerky mess. It takes about ten seconds to open the applications menu, not to mention there's no way to customise the (now only) panel on t
[00:18] <zouzou> he desktop. Not only that, there's no minimise buttons on the window and no taskbar! You have to go into the activities menu and click on the other window in order to switch. How counter-intuitive, and to be honest I find it a step backwards in innovation. The "Gnome Classic" login option is not real gnome classic either - it's just a cheap imitation which doesn't work half as well. There's still only one panel available and it is slow and clunky. Oh, a
[00:18] <zouzou> nd did I mention that you can't use Compiz with gnome 3?  Now I'm looking for how to downgrade to 11.04, as I wouldn't be able to bear using this on a daily basis. Good job, Canonical.
[00:18] <zouzou> that's one review
[00:18] <Armageddon> simply because people are thinking Ubuntu moved to Gnome 3
[00:20] <Armageddon> :/
[00:20] <Armageddon> bye bye
[00:20] <Armageddon> and you're welcome