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[15:34] <xnox> RikMills:  i do wonder if we can "package" that somehow. But it is hard.


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[01:03] <T3CHKOMMIE> hello all!
[01:05] <T3CHKOMMIE> is anyone here?
[01:07] <lullabud> i'm here.  partly.
[01:07] <T3CHKOMMIE> lullabud, thanks for responding.
[01:08] <T3CHKOMMIE> im testing some software and i was worried it was blocking me from IRC
[01:08] <Lobo29> Trying to install 8.04 on HP DL360 G3, flashes the ubuntu logo and then blank screen, any way to force other boot options ?
[01:09] <lullabud> Lobo29: i've got 8 running on that machine, didn't have any trouble.  you sure your media works?  cdrom works fine?
[01:10] <lullabud> Lobo29: one alternative would be to mount the ISO via the iLO card, if you have that option.
[01:10] <lullabud> also you could try booting from a usb key.
[01:10] <Lobo29> lullabud, well, not 100% sure  about the cd, just made it, could try it on this laptop i guess
[01:11] <lullabud> Lobo29: when in doubt, burn slower.
[01:11] <T3CHKOMMIE> Lobo29, is the cd a cd Rw?
[01:11] <Lobo29> i'm using cd-r
[01:12] <lullabud> well, i have several DL360's and i've never had problems with any cdr i've thrown at them.
[01:12] <malev> friends! I'm setting up an Ubuntu server to host 2 php websites wiht mysql. I have 512Mb of RAM. What do you thing I'm short with it or will work fine? I'm not planning to have many visits, 200 at most per day
[01:12] <Lobo29> i loaded 11.04 on this once, but it has issues on bootup, so i'm trying 8.04
[01:12] <T3CHKOMMIE> Lobo29, ok good, ive had like 100% failure booting off my crappy cheap RW's ive also downloaded a fair share of corrupted ISO's did you boot into disk check?
[01:13] <T3CHKOMMIE> malev, id shoot for more ram.
[01:13] <Lobo29> t3chkommie; did not boot into check disk
[01:13] <malev> T3CHKOMMIE, what about 1Gb?
[01:13] <lullabud> Lobo29: i wouldn't expect that, they're not exactly new machines, and ubuntu is good about getting hardware support for most hardware, so even if you don't have the same hw setup as mine i'd expect it to work.  are you sure it's not a hardware problem?
[01:14] <lullabud> malev: if you're just running LAMP, no java or X, that might be fine.  more ram is always good.  just keep an eye on your memory and pages
[01:14] <malev> lullabud, no java or X, just LAMP. oks, thanks!!
[01:14] <T3CHKOMMIE> malev, ive run the crap outa a webserver serving ampache and 5 websites, but its only a family site so not nearly 200 ppl/ aday. that machine had 2 gb and ran really smooth. 1gb i think would be safe aslong as you dont install a gui and keep the services to a minimal. ive never run ubuntuer server on less than 2 gb. but i know it can be done.
[01:15] <Lobo29> lullabud, well, this is my first server attempt and i'm somewhat noob at linux.  did more unix years ago.  tried 11.04 on Dell 1650, didn't work out either
[01:15] <malev> T3CHKOMMIE, thanks dude!!
[01:15] <T3CHKOMMIE> malev, yw
[01:15] <T3CHKOMMIE> :)
[01:16] <Lobo29> i'm hoping i can make 8.04 work on this to make a clonezilla server i need desperately
[01:16] <lullabud> yeah?  i rather like 11.04, even as a desktop.  9 was a solid release too.
[01:16] <Lobo29> 11.04  works very well overall on this latitude d510
[01:17] <lullabud> haha, i've got it running on nearly the same laptop
[01:17] <lullabud> i'm really happy with the 11 gui.  first linux distro in years where the GUI didn't drive me crazy within minutes.
[01:17] <Lobo29> i've got 500 toshiba nb505 and 500  lenovo x120e i have to image with 11.04
[01:18] <T3CHKOMMIE> ive got me a XBMC install running on an atom board also serving up zoneminder, ampache, apache2 with drupal all in an aquarium filled with mineral oil :) soooo quiet!
[01:18] <lullabud> holy hell dude
[01:18] <lullabud> pictures?
[01:19]  * lullabud is diggin' the frisky radio selection this afternoon
[01:19] <T3CHKOMMIE> http://t3chkommie.com/?q=first_case_mod
[01:19] <Lobo29> T3chkommie must be speaking russian, didn't catch one word of that :P
[01:19] <T3CHKOMMIE> doesnt get above 140 deg F. doesnt make a sound i run it 24/7
[01:20] <T3CHKOMMIE> lullabud, check out the above link. i only have one photo so far, but ive got tons more i just havnt uploaded yet.
[01:21] <lullabud> damn, that is seriously awesome
[01:21] <Lobo29> Dude thats just crazy
[01:21] <T3CHKOMMIE> lullabud,  thanks its my baby :)
[01:21] <lullabud> use a tripod without the flash next time, long exposure.  it'll make the photo look better, show off the glow of the LED's on the motherboard and stuff.
[01:21] <Lobo29> i need to grab an ac strip
[01:21] <T3CHKOMMIE> eventually im going to rip out the rom and put in BD
[01:22] <T3CHKOMMIE> lullabud, good idea, i took it with my HTC evo just before running to class. ive got some better ones at night, they are just really dark and kinda blurry.
[01:22] <T3CHKOMMIE> everything is in that box, psu inlcuded! ive been running it since feb. so far so good :)
[01:23] <T3CHKOMMIE> i love ubuntu server! great stuff. suppoer is awsome and i love linux. unix, not so much. still having a hard time with some firewall oses. but i love my ubuntu server :)
[01:24] <lullabud> yeah man, ubuntu is pretty ƒ awesome
[01:24] <lullabud> been using it in production since 05
[01:24] <T3CHKOMMIE> nice
[01:24] <T3CHKOMMIE> im really digging the new natty ui too. but my heart still rests with cli.
[01:25]  * lullabud concurs
[01:26] <Lobo29> ok guys, here's just another one of my quirks that has been happening
[01:26] <Lobo29> I have a dell monitor that works great, until finish install and then reboot, at os start i get "can't display this video mode" so
[01:27] <Lobo29> then i switch to my sony monitor, it sees past the  os start, but then the 11.04 has errors
[01:27] <lullabud> Lobo29: i think you're talking to the wrong guys, two self professed CLI junkies.
[01:27] <lullabud> i, for one, know nearly nothing about configuring X.
[01:27] <T3CHKOMMIE> Lobo29,  are you isntalling 11.04 server?
[01:27] <Lobo29> so, now i'm back to my dell monitor and my 8.04 install is staring ok
[01:28] <Lobo29> t3chkommie, i wanted to, but had issues, so was trying 8.04, hoping it would go better
[01:29] <lullabud> Lobo29: have you tried 9?
[01:29] <T3CHKOMMIE> i bet you have bad ram.
[01:29] <lullabud> or 10?
[01:29] <lullabud> there's always the memtest option at boot...
[01:29] <Lobo29> i'm jumping from 11.04 to 8, cause reviews seemed to be good about 8 working with this hardware
[01:30] <T3CHKOMMIE> i had to pull a ram stick out of my box this morning cus it went band and everything would go great untill the os started loating... then BAM blurry screen freezes, lockups. spent about and hour thinking it was a bad onboard gpu... then i started to pull ram one by one. and found that bad one.
[01:30] <Lobo29> this was function fine as a windows server taken from our data center
[01:30] <Lobo29> it booted fine to windows this morning before i started the ubuntu install
[01:30] <T3CHKOMMIE> are you installing via wubi?
[01:31] <Lobo29> from ced
[01:31] <Lobo29> cd
[01:31] <Lobo29> reconfiged to raid 0
[01:31] <Lobo29> is only change i made
[01:32] <T3CHKOMMIE> oh you got a raid card on that bad boy?
[01:32] <lullabud> it's a proliant rackmount
[01:32] <Lobo29> right
[01:33] <Lobo29> and the raid my be my issue also
[01:33] <Lobo29> altho, it doesn't explain my video issues
[01:33] <lullabud> Lobo29: one thing i dislike about the proliant's is that you have to license the functions of their iLO, whereas with dell once you buy the DRAC you just get all the functions for free.
[01:34] <lullabud> i've used DRAC to load up the OS off an ISO mounted from another machine, but I went to do the same thing on HP and it was like "buy a license for iLO remote media!"
[01:34] <lullabud> $#!T licenses....
[01:34] <T3CHKOMMIE> Lobo29, ive only delt with powerEdge and home pcs, dont have any exprience with proliant, but i would redownload the iso and try installing it on a VM first, that way you can narrow it down to hardware or software.
[01:34] <Lobo29> well, i know what your talking about, altho its a bit over my head
[01:35] <Lobo29> t3chkommie, i have a dell pe 1650, that had issues with the 11.04
[01:36] <T3CHKOMMIE> really?
[01:37] <T3CHKOMMIE> oh, i guess everything i was running on my pe was ontop ot ESXi so maybe thats why? thats strange man, are you comfortable with the VM thing? i can probbaly walk you through it if you got the time.
[01:37] <lullabud> Lobo29: with dell, you just drop the ISO on another machine, run racvmcli -r dracIP -u user -p password -c ./media.iso
[01:37] <Lobo29> t3chkommie,  i don't have any vm software atm
[01:37] <lullabud> then power on the dell and it boots over the network from the ISO as if it were a cd in the drive.
[01:37] <Lobo29> what are some options i can get for vmware ?
[01:37] <T3CHKOMMIE> virtual box ;) free fast, and a great way to do some testing. i use it ALL the time.
[01:37] <lullabud> really ƒ sweet.  you can do the same thing with HP, but you have to pay. =/
[01:38] <lullabud> Lobo29: esxi is free
[01:38] <T3CHKOMMIE> esxi rocks!!!!!
[01:38] <lullabud> kvm on linux.
[01:38] <T3CHKOMMIE> XenServer (citrix_
[01:38] <lullabud> check out eucalyptus, it's integrated with ubuntu.
[01:39] <T3CHKOMMIE> virt-manager
[01:39] <T3CHKOMMIE> i head thats pretty nice... kinda like VB but cli. i was thinking about using that next week.
[01:39] <lullabud> T3CHKOMMIE: there are gui tools to interface with it
[01:40] <lullabud> something like eucalyptus would be better in this situation because in order to admin ESXi, you need windows.  le suck.
[01:40] <Lobo29> K, i'll check those things out, TY
[01:40] <patdk-lap> you don't need windows :)
[01:40] <patdk-lap> but windows makes it so you don't need command line
[01:40] <lullabud> patdk-lap: well, you can't get a virtual console to mount local media to do an OS install from the CLI.
[01:41] <Lobo29> and i'm sucko at cli
[01:41] <Lobo29> working on it
[01:41] <patdk-lap> lullabud, ya, no console
[01:41] <patdk-lap> and if you use vcenter, it's worse
[01:42] <lullabud> man, i was looking at how solaris zones work in conjunction with zfs snapshots.  that shizz is sliiiiick
[01:42] <lullabud> ...not that i'm a solaris fan, but i love me some zfs.
[01:42] <lullabud> and zones is an interesting way to "virtualize"... if it's even considered that.
[01:44] <T3CHKOMMIE> apparently freebsd flavors have integreated zfs
[01:44] <T3CHKOMMIE> so no more open solaris ;)
[01:44] <lullabud> yeah man, shizz is hot
[01:45] <lullabud> they're catching up to solaris quickly too.
[01:45] <lullabud> anxiously awaiting freebsd9
[01:45] <lullabud> the zfs in 8 doesn't support de-dupe, but 9 will
[01:46] <T3CHKOMMIE> hu, good to know, im still not all that great with freeBSD. its a bit different that Ubunter Server.
[01:47] <lullabud> zfs is incredibly memory hungry though, mostly good for a dedicated fileserving box, or a box with limited other roles.  sun recommends 1gb ram per 1tb disk.
[01:47] <lullabud> T3CHKOMMIE: check out freenas, it runs on freebsd8 off a usb stick and turns a system into a zfs server.
[01:48] <lullabud> web-based interface.  cli is available but not recommended.
[01:48] <T3CHKOMMIE> lullabud, ya i was reading about that last night, im trying to get into freeBSD more so im looing at all the neat stuff out there. i got a nass at home running freebsd just not sure what flavor... its a anchient intel nas from tiger direct (barf)
[01:48] <lullabud> supports auto snapshots, hot-adding disks to the raid, smb, nfs, afp
[01:48] <lullabud> huh
[01:48] <lullabud> hack it!
[01:48] <T3CHKOMMIE> oh man i love hot swapping me some drives!
[01:49] <T3CHKOMMIE> lullabud,  already looked into it ;) not really worth it now. hardware is only sata 1.5 compliant so write speeds in a RAID-5 are attocious!
[01:49] <lullabud> T3CHKOMMIE: the swapping is still rough in freenas, unfortunately.  you can remove a drive, but getting a replacement back in its place is tough.  i was testing that out two weeks ago and had success, but a rough time.
[01:49] <lullabud> meh.  oh well.
[01:50] <T3CHKOMMIE> oh bummer.
[01:50] <T3CHKOMMIE> i guess thats what raid cards are for hu?
[01:50] <lullabud> honestly, software raid is pretty good in sata.
[01:51] <lullabud> for instance, zfs raid mirroring allows you to get increased read speed by reading from both disks
[01:51] <lullabud> so you get the read speed of a stripe, but the write speed of a mirror.
[01:51] <T3CHKOMMIE> oh man i had a soft raid on a 6 ht 1 tb raid 5 tank on me... absolute night mare to try to rebuild!
[01:51] <lullabud> see? that's the other big bullshit
[01:52] <lullabud> repairing raid is such a pain in the ass
[01:52] <T3CHKOMMIE> oh yeah.
[01:52] <lullabud> i'd rather forget the individual hardware configs for different raid cards and have one familiar CLI to do repairs from.  <3 ZFS
[01:52] <lullabud> raid cards are great for when you have 100 of the same exact machine, but for small IT shops with cobbled hardware, what a nightmare.
[01:53] <T3CHKOMMIE> i was rebuilding the array cus a member failed... (soft intel raid) second hdd "failed" but didnt really... the HOLE raid was degreaded and i was trying to recover 1tb of data from it cus the DB that i replaced wasnt backing up anything important for our "backup solution" longest 4 days and 4 nights w/o sleep  in my life!
[01:53] <lullabud> oh man, that sucks.
[01:53] <T3CHKOMMIE> ya it did.
[01:53] <lullabud> that'll make you invest in a full-system backup solution.
[01:54] <T3CHKOMMIE> and EVERYONE in the company was asking " when do we get email back..."  and quit, hahaha
[01:55] <T3CHKOMMIE> yup as soon as i got their dell up and running i GTFO'ed
[01:55] <lullabud> T3CHKOMMIE: man, yeah...
[01:56] <lullabud> if your boss doesn't get your back in the disaster scenarios, you gotta get your own back.
[01:56] <T3CHKOMMIE> wasnt worth it trying to keep their sinking servers alive... i was the only IT guy and the stress was killing me.
[01:56] <lullabud> yup.  been there.
[01:56] <lullabud> i worry that i might be there right now, haha
[01:56] <lullabud> keeping a watchful eye...
[01:56] <T3CHKOMMIE> yup, he was being a uber douche. kept calling in  "friends" that had no diea what was going on "o0h ya your raid tanked cus you got a virus in your bios"... wHAat?!
[01:57] <T3CHKOMMIE> lol
[01:57] <lullabud> lol
[01:57] <T3CHKOMMIE> stupid guy... they paid him like $200 / hour to tell me my bios had a virus
[01:57] <lullabud> no, the real problem, probably, was that your BLT drive went AWOL.
[01:57] <T3CHKOMMIE> i cant be around that much stupidity.... it just drains you.
[01:58] <T3CHKOMMIE> lol
[01:59] <Lobo29> Ok, got the 8.04 to finish, *crosses fingers*
[01:59] <T3CHKOMMIE> that was a nightmare, i was also going to school part time. missed all of my classes because they wouldnt let me leave at a time we agreed i could leave to attend class...
[01:59] <T3CHKOMMIE> Lobo29, good luck!
[01:59]  * T3CHKOMMIE crossing fingers.
[02:00] <lullabud> yeah, shit like that sucks.
[02:00] <T3CHKOMMIE> faild classes, couldnt get tuition rembused.... waste of time and money.. :( wont ever do that again. good learning experience tho.
[02:00] <T3CHKOMMIE> got to play with some hardware i couldnt buy myself ;)
[02:00] <lullabud> i try to live my life like i won't have a job tomorrow, either because i got laid off, or because i got pissed off.  either way, you have to look out for yourself, and the tech field can be pretty vicious.
[02:00] <Lobo29> omg, i got a "clonezilla1 login: "
[02:00] <T3CHKOMMIE> sweet!
[02:00] <Lobo29> hmmm
[02:00] <T3CHKOMMIE> what is this clonezilla i hear of?
[02:01] <T3CHKOMMIE> sounds like server farm stuff?
[02:01] <lullabud> T3CHKOMMIE: it's a disk cloning tool
[02:01] <Lobo29> yes
[02:01] <T3CHKOMMIE> oh yeah... clonsezilla... duh.
[02:01] <lullabud> really useful when you need it.  it can clone over the network, disk-to-disk, disk-to-image
[02:01] <lullabud> it'll even do multi-cast imaging.  i've never needed that feature, but it sure sounds awesome!
[02:01] <T3CHKOMMIE> kinda like norton ghost.
[02:02] <lullabud> T3CHKOMMIE: exactly.
[02:02] <T3CHKOMMIE> oh man free stuff?
[02:02] <lullabud> it's the FOSS norton ghost
[02:02] <Lobo29> gonna try to use it to clone those 1100  notebooks i got
[02:02] <Lobo29> or no kiddies are gonna  have internet access when school starts up again
[02:02] <T3CHKOMMIE> is it an ubuntu live os? whats it based on?
[02:02] <Lobo29> works on any linux os
[02:02] <lullabud> Lobo29: lol, when you said 1100 i thought that was a model number
[02:02] <lullabud> haha
[02:02] <T3CHKOMMIE> Lobo29, awsome! what do you guys used for firewall?
[02:03] <T3CHKOMMIE> me too lullabud
[02:03] <Lobo29> m86 for  firewall
[02:03] <lullabud> T3CHKOMMIE: see for yourself - http://clonezilla.org/
[02:03] <Lobo29> we had a citrix farm, we just shut it down after 10 years
[02:03] <lullabud> i used it the other day to p2v a server that didn't have X
[02:03] <virusuy> Clonezilla Rulzzzzz
[02:03] <T3CHKOMMIE> ah Lobo29 ive been trying out pfsense. its pretty awsome. but i dont have any expreience with m86 to compari it to.
[02:04] <virusuy> anyone used Endian as firewall ?
[02:04] <virusuy> not even compare to PFsense, but it's okay for small and medium office
[02:04] <Lobo29> T3chkommie, i'm sorry, m86 is filter,  we have watchguard for  firewall
[02:04] <T3CHKOMMIE> never heard of endian accept for the memory notion.
[02:05] <Lobo29> and baracuda spam filter
[02:05] <T3CHKOMMIE> Lobo29, ah, right on. how many nodes are your network over there? you guys an "enterprise" or more medium buisness?
[02:05] <T3CHKOMMIE> Lobo29, ah baracuda ive heard good things about those.
[02:05] <Lobo29> school domain
[02:05] <virusuy> T3CHKOMMIE: google it, it's an italian FW...
[02:05] <Lobo29> 2500 kids
[02:06] <lullabud> barracuda is nice, especially when integrated with exchange so spam scoring is done as a group rather than individually.
[02:06] <Lobo29> 7 campus,  fiber links to each, near 2000 devices
[02:06] <T3CHKOMMIE> Lobo29, thats a fair ammount of users. you guys use AD or RADIUS? how do you manage all them kids?
[02:06] <Lobo29> AD
[02:06] <T3CHKOMMIE> ah, ya thats alot of users to manage.
[02:06] <Lobo29> but, cutting back on that now
[02:06] <lullabud> you know, AD is pretty rad.
[02:07] <lullabud> i really wish that MS had some better management tools though...
[02:07] <Lobo29> M86 filter makes user log in at internet access, and kids will use google apps and other "cloud" resources from now on
[02:08] <T3CHKOMMIE> well gents, its been fun geekin out. the mrs will be home soon from grocery shopping and ill have to give her my undivided attention.   Anyone willing to help me figure out why I can't install VMs on a default 11.04 server instance?  Using the default virtualization package selected during install.
[03:28] <Logos01> http://pastebin.com/NBj25Qa0
[03:38] <luite> Logos01: have you added your user account to the libvirtd group?
[03:39] <Logos01> Is that necessary for root?
[03:39] <luite> oh then it shouldn't be necessary
[03:40] <luite> but maybe the scripts are made to be run as a regular user (in the libvirtd group)?
[03:42] <luite> Logos01: you're sure that libvirt-bin is installed in libvirtd is running?
[03:42] <Logos01> Yup.
[03:42] <Logos01> I'm using virt-manager.
[03:45] <Logos01> Just tried adding my default user to the libvirtd and kvm groups... running virt-manager as my default user.
[03:45] <Logos01> No dice.
[03:49] <luite> hmm, it wants to create and bind a socket there. maybe check mount options for the /var filesystem, or have you installed some extra security things like selinux? check /var/log/kern.log for messages
[03:49] <Logos01> ...
[03:49] <Logos01> I did symlink the /var/lib/libvirt/images directory to a NAS mount.
[03:50] <luite> oh but that's a different dir
[03:50] <julian_c> Is there anything in AppArmor that might need adjustment...?
[03:51] <julian_c> (re: libvirt)
[03:53] <luite> how can you temporarily dissable apparmor by the way, but still log messages? (like enforcing=0 for selinux)
[03:55] <Logos01> Looks like it is an apparmor thing.
[03:56] <Logos01> And lookit that, apparmor_status reports /usr/sbin/libvirtd is in "enforce" mode.
[04:08] <Logos01> Disabled the libvirt apparmor profiles and it's still giving the same error.
[04:08] <Logos01> So it's something else.
[04:49] <Logos01> ... deleted and re-created virbr0 using virt-manager, and am now installing a VM. Don't know why that would cause the issue, but... hey.
[06:50] <Xago> RoyK, Thanks for your tips...I'm going forward for myself now...but I think will need more tips later ;)
[07:16] <Logos01> So... now I've got myself a working VM on my KVM/Qemu hypervisor -- but while it claims to have a working internet connection it's pings are timing out and it itself can't be pinged from outside.
[14:16] <RoyK> hm... john the ripper has gotten MPI support :)
[15:20] <delinquentme> so it seems that editing the /etc/environment does not create a environment variable that shows up in printenv ? anyone know what i might be doing wrong here?
[15:46] <DeadEnd> I cannot read my logs due to spamming a message from the kernel  "pwrdown, 0x6(BIT6)=f1", is there a way to tell the kernel or syslog to stop printing that message?
[16:06] <superfrogger79> hi everyone, im setting up an ubuntu dev server and im running into some problems, anyone here able to spare a few minutes?
[16:06] <ikonia> just ask
[16:06] <ikonia> lets see what we can do
[16:06] <superfrogger79> ok well its a long one, so here goes...
[16:07] <ikonia> try to keep it short and to the point, and lets work it out
[16:07] <superfrogger79> im setting up an ubuntu server which ive connected to my pc with a crossover cable. i did a fresh install and selected the LAMP and SSH options at install...
[16:07] <superfrogger79> ... and now i cant seem to ssh into there at all...
[16:08] <superfrogger79> ive got the right ip and i can see the servers running fine, but i keep on getting connection refused in putty
[16:08] <ikonia> superfrogger79: install openssh-server on the machine first, make sure it's there, installed and running
[16:09] <superfrogger79> ok am i right in thinking the defauly port for ssh is 22?
[16:09] <ikonia> correct, you shouldn't have to specify a port, it should use the default, which as you say is 22
[16:11] <superfrogger79> ok thanks, ill back in a minute, just gonna check its installed and running
[16:14] <superfrogger79> ok, i just ran sudo aptitude ssh and i got loads of terminal spam, like it wasnt installed in the first place... im a bit confused as i thought i checked the ssh option during install?
[16:15] <superfrogger79> *sorry sudo aptitude install ssh
[16:15] <Xago> Good morning guys, I have a doubt about RDP access to a server. Every time I access, the first time once reboot machine I can open RDP session, but if I close tsclient and re-open again I cannot access again. Why?
[16:16] <Xago> I need necessarily reboot the server to get access again :(
[16:16] <Xago> How should I resolve this issue?
[16:17] <Xago> the server has gnome gui, this is my way to work with comfort
[16:18] <Xago> I have configured remote desktop to access and additionally installed xrdp
[16:32] <Xago> I have had removed xrdp and doesn't allow to connect via GUI, even installed Remmina RDP
[16:33] <Xago> :(
[16:33] <Xago> re installed xrdp and got into again
[17:58] <TECHX> hey can anyone here help with my ubuntu server problems?
[18:16] <vooze> Anyone tried that Ubuntu server 11.04 could not find your harddrive?? I just tryed to install (currently running debian 6.0 with no problems) but ubuntu server 11.04 can only see my external harddrive, not the one "in the computer" any ideas?
[18:17] <TECHX> im using the ubuntu 10.4
[18:17] <TECHX> server
[18:22] <jtiss546> hi
[18:23] <jtiss546> I'm hoping to get some help with apache2
[18:23] <TECHX> well this room isent the right place
[18:24] <TECHX> as no one here fucking talks
[18:24] <TECHX> lol
[18:24] <TECHX> and the #ubuntu room is full of nobheads
[18:24] <jtiss546> no? this is where I was sent.
[18:24] <IdleOne> TECHX: same language rules apply here
[18:24] <TECHX> oh
[18:24] <jtiss546> I see there are 264 users.
[18:24] <TECHX> now you decide to talk
[18:24] <IdleOne> !guidelines > TECHX
[18:24] <TECHX> done
[18:25] <TECHX> so is anyone here going to help or just throw around links to "guidelines"
[18:25] <IdleOne> TECHX: if you ask an actual question maybe
[18:26] <TECHX> scrole up smart one
[18:26] <TECHX> [17:58] <TECHX> hey can anyone here help with my ubuntu server problems?
[18:26] <stgraber> 16:58 < TECHX> hey can anyone here help with my ubuntu server problems?
[18:26] <stgraber> that's not a question
[18:26] <IdleOne> all I see you is asking if someone can help
[18:26] <TECHX> are you stupid?
[18:26] <IdleOne> but not with what
[18:26] <stgraber> that's a "Is anyone around?" kind of question
[18:26] <TECHX> and it is a question
[18:26] <TECHX> hence the "?"
[18:26] <stgraber> !ask
[18:26] <TECHX> Ok SOME ONE tell me how to sort out this server
[18:26] <TECHX> Please
[18:26] <TECHX> better?
[18:27] <IdleOne> TECHX: you have a very poor attitude and I recommend the ops get rid of you
[18:27] <TECHX> good for you dude
[18:27] <IdleOne> !details
[18:27] <TECHX> ubuntu server 11.04 and its not allowing me to install GUI or connect via port 23 or 21 any idears oh smart ones?
[18:28] <IdleOne> drop the attitude. I know the answer but you are such a tool I refuse to help you. good luck.
[18:28] <TECHX> good for you dickhead
[18:29] <TECHX> its twats like you that make it so much more of a pain in the ass to get answers
[18:29] <TECHX> i hope you enjoy beeing the way that you are
[18:29] <Xago> calm down guys
[18:29] <TECHX> anyone going to help or not
[18:29] <TECHX> ?
[18:30] <TECHX> guess not
[18:30] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: ping
[18:32] <Pr0zoid> TECHX: what is your issue.... that's all they are asking
[18:32] <TECHX> [18:27] <TECHX> ubuntu server 11.04 and its not allowing me to install GUI or connect via port 23 or 21 any idears
[18:32] <Pr0zoid> yes.. but what error messages
[18:32] <TECHX> keeps screen scrolling with failed to fetch
[18:33] <Pr0zoid> is it connected to the net?
[18:33] <Pr0zoid> can you ping and address?
[18:33] <TECHX> yes
[18:33] <TECHX> i can ping portscan and telnet to other computers on the network
[18:33] <TECHX> so i know its working
[18:34] <Pr0zoid> no i mean outside the network... ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:34] <Pr0zoid> something like that
[18:34] <TECHX> yes
[18:34] <TECHX> it works
[18:35] <Pr0zoid> my linux skills are limited.....
[18:36] <TECHX> 53 packets sent received 33
[18:36] <Pr0zoid> if you chillax a bit and stop being rude to everyone else... you may get an answer... but you have to consider that most ppl idle here and will respond if / when they see your message.
[18:38] <TECHX> true, but being the fact i had asked 2 questions and even after i had got a reply it was a shitty reply telling me one to follow guidelines and 2 to ask a question witch i had done in the first place so basically what happens happens hence freedom of speech thank you for your help tho
[18:38] <Pr0zoid> PPTP VPN Server - Hey guys i'm trying to run a pptp vpn server but i need something with a little more of a user management engine ... (plain text passwords in txt files just isn't all that secure)... anyoen have any suggestions of something else i could use?  (it would be great if it stored user data in a DB like mysql).
[18:40] <IdleOne> TECHX: You are not in a democracy here. Help is given on a volunteer basis, your bad attitude and lack of detail makes it so those of us who can help probably wont. So get off your high horse cause nobody here owes you anything.
[18:40] <IdleOne> in fact you owe us an apology
[18:40] <TECHX> 	HAHAHAHA
[18:40] <TECHX> Jog on
[18:42] <stgraber> Pr0zoid: hmm, I really haven't played with that in a long long time but you may want to look into freeradius for the authentication part. I seem to remember there's a way of having the pptp vpn server use that for authentication.
[18:42] <stgraber> Pr0zoid: then freeradius supports pam auth, mysql, ldap, ... pretty much anything you may want
[19:13] <jeeves_moss> how do I configure SA to MOVE all marked e-mails to the spam folder for my VIRTUAL users?  I'm running postfix/dovecot and I'm lost
[19:54] <Doonz> can anyone recoomend a idiots guide to setting up an open vpn server and client
[19:57] <julian_c> Perhaps start with the Ubuntu Server Guide.
[19:58] <julian_c> https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/serverguide/C/openvpn.html
[19:59] <julian_c> (adjust the URL for your particular Ubuntu release)
[20:30] <Pr0z0id> Doonz: there's a chan for openvpn
[20:31] <Pr0z0id> they have tons of resources
[20:31] <Pr0z0id> and the howto is pretty good
[20:31] <Pr0z0id> got mine setup with no probs


[01:40] <jono> kirkland, hey
[02:22] <golem_> during the install i chose 'automatic updates' - where is that configured if i wish to change to manual updates?
[02:24] <jmarsden> dpkg -L unattended-upgrades    will show you all the files.  The one to edit to quickly disable them is probably /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades
[02:24] <golem_> gotcha, thanks
[02:24] <jmarsden> No problem.
[02:25] <golem_> i just commented out jaunty-security
[02:26] <jmarsden> If you know you don't want it, sudo apt-get purge unattended-upgrades   will do the trick cleanly :)
[02:26] <golem_> ah cool, so i can just apt-get update/upgrade
[02:27] <jmarsden> Of course; the unattended-updates package effectively scripts doing that on a regular basis.
[03:07] <aubre> how's the cureent state of karmic eucalyptus? thinking of updating when I go to work tomorrow
[07:15] <darksmac> ok guys new to ubuntu server was wondering if any one has had any experience installing crda
[07:16] <darksmac> comming aross an issue with it stating that i dont have a supported version of libnl and i have installed libnl1-1.1-3
[08:06] <Anirban1987> I want to host a game server on my VPS
[09:04] <claw> guten morgen ich bin auch der suche nach nem tool, dass meinen netzwerktraffic zählt
[09:04] <claw> ich bezahl nämlich pro megabyte und hätte gerne sowas wie ne monatsübersicht
[09:04] <claw> gibts da etwas?
[09:13] <_ruben> claw: asking in english will yield more responses probably .. as for traffic accounting tools, there's tons of those around
[10:18] <maxagaz> how to use find to do this "ls -lart", but recursively
[10:18] <maxagaz> ?
[10:19] <domas> maxagaz: just use 'ls -R'
[10:19] <domas> if you want ls functionality
[10:19] <domas> you can also do find ./ -print0 | xargs -0 ls -lart
[10:19] <domas> etc
[10:20] <domas> :)
[10:25] <maxagaz> domas, thanks
[10:25] <maxagaz> but the result is not that good with find
[10:25] <maxagaz> domas, because files are separated by directory
[10:26] <maxagaz> domas, but the good thing is that their full path is shown
[10:29] <cemc> is there a simple freespace disk checker package which sends mail when a partition is X % full ? something really simple
[12:05] <Mohammad[B]> how i can resolve this problem in apache2 http://paste.ubuntu.com/280284/ please help me
[12:13] <Jagged> Mohammad[B]: you need to correctly configure apache vhosts, or don't use vhosts.
[13:01] <zul> morning
[13:06] <oc> hi
[13:06] <oc> Is it possible to somehow make aptitude -not ever- install gcj?
[13:07] <oc> i.e. I have installed sun-java{5,6}-jdk
[13:07] <oc> when I install tomcat, glassfish, ant, etc I do not want GCJ
[13:08] <oc> gcj should never ever ever ever ever come into my OS
[13:08] <oc> this is a major issue, not a minor one
[13:11] <VK7HSE> oc: well install with '--no-install-recommends" then...
[13:12] <pmatulis> (that would be for apt-get)
[13:12] <VK7HSE> Oh yes forgot to mention that bit! ;)
[13:13] <oc> that sort of helps
[13:13] <oc> how do I set it as default?
[13:13] <VK7HSE> oc: so then use this ... 'sudo apt-get install tomcat --no-install-recommends'
[13:13] <oc> I understood that.. how do I set it as default?
[13:14] <oc> (can I set it in apt.conf somehow?)
[13:14] <VK7HSE> thinks so! ... just having a look through some settings stuff to see...
[13:15] <oc> in server mode, that should be default IMHO :)
[13:15] <oc> it's ok to be lax in desktop installations
[13:15] <oc> but too much crap on the server will quickly escalate
[13:16] <pmatulis> that option will only prevent "recommends" packages from being installed.  not sure if that is the case here
[13:16] <VK7HSE> well its a defalt inubutnu.. I had a similar grizzle! when I was messing with KDE and i wanted to use firefox 3.5 and it wanted to pull in a heap of stuff from gnome!
[13:17] <pmatulis> but you can make this the default by adding 'APT::Install-Recommends "0";' to /etc/apt/apt.conf
[13:18] <oc> thanks
[13:18] <VK7HSE> pmatulis: Gahh! ya beat me to it ;)
[13:18] <VK7HSE> pmatulis: BTW I realised my error yesterday re: the server kernel on i386 (DOH)
[13:19] <oc> I traced the deps now.. Seems like java2-runtime-headless asks me to install install gij istead of sun-javaX-jre (which are installed)
[13:19] <oc> (and thats just an alias package -- which I find strange)
[13:20] <pmatulis> oc: maybe openjdk will be friendlier
[13:21] <oc> problem is, I'm setting up a buildserver, and it'll compile some "very enterprisey (tm)" code that only runs well in particular JDKs :o)
[13:21]  * pmatulis nods
[13:22] <oc> which I've found is an issue many places Ive worked :>
[13:22]  * oc shrugs
[13:22] <pmatulis> oc: how does gij mess you up?
[13:23] <oc> I haven't tried yet, but it being installed makes my mind flash for potential errors :)
[13:24] <pmatulis> !find gij
[13:24] <pmatulis> !info gij
[13:24] <pmatulis> ah, only 36kB
[13:25] <pmatulis> oc: what release are you running?
[13:26] <oc> I don't want to potentially have to spend hours tracing runtime bugs in vastly untested code only to find out thats why
[13:26] <oc> 9.04 server
[13:26] <pmatulis> why you say untested?
[13:27] <pmatulis> gij is in main which suggests it is very well tested
[13:27] <oc> because alot of the code that is to be built is sadly untested :)
[13:27] <pmatulis> i think you're over-reacting  :)
[13:28] <oc> probably, but still better to be safe that sorry :)
[13:28] <pmatulis> if it's an important project then you should have a development box built first
[13:29] <oc> I'm installing a new CI server to replace an old Windows-server they've used for a while...
[13:30] <oc> it'll be a dev/ci/integration-test/functional test box
[13:30] <VK7HSE> I realise that each has their own way of things, but I tend to start with the default that tweak... ;)
[13:30] <VK7HSE> *then!
[13:30]  * pmatulis agrees
[13:31] <pmatulis> default, test, and *then* monkey around
[13:31] <oc> I have started with the default
[13:31] <oc> testing it would take years :)
[13:31] <oc> millions of lines of code :)
[13:32]  * pmatulis doesn't have anything else to add.  goes away for a while
[13:32] <VK7HSE> bit like me last night (UTC+10) I was jumping up & down cause I couldn't install an i386 server kernel! to be pointed to an article by pmatulis, that pointed me in the right direction! ;)
[14:28] <smoser> anyone have time to ubuntu-educate me ?
[14:28] <smoser> $ rmadison linux-ec2
[14:28] <smoser>  linux-ec2 | 2.6.31-300.3 |        karmic | source
[14:28] <smoser>  linux-ec2 | <IP_ADDRESS>0.0 |        karmic | amd64, i386
[14:28] <smoser> i've 2 questions about that:
[14:28] <smoser> 1. where does rmadison see the 300.3 source ? http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/karmic/linux-meta-ec2 indicates 2.6.31-300.0
[14:29] <smoser> 2. what causes build of amd64/i386 of the .3 ? how would i go about getting that?
[14:38] <zul> have you done an apt-get updaet?
[14:38] <zul> apt-get update even
[14:39] <zul> or not
[14:41] <smoser> hm... i thought that rmadison was querying remote info. apt-get update doesn't change results for me
[14:43] <Mohammad[B]> hi all
[14:43] <Mohammad[B]> what is this ? :-s in apache2 please help me for resolving this http://paste.ubuntu.com/280396/
[14:43] <aubre> Eucalyptus question: I have a newly added node which is acting like it can't connect to walrus, and libvirt is saying Domain not found, so it won't launch instances : http://paste.ubuntu.com/280394/ any ideas?
[14:44] <VK7HSE> Mohammad[B]: what's the content of your ports file?
[14:45] <VK7HSE> Mohammad[B]: see ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/280400/
[14:46] <Mohammad[B]> VK7HSE, http://paste.ubuntu.com/280402/ this is my ports file
[14:46] <Mohammad[B]> VK7HSE, some kind of my ports file :-s
[14:46] <VK7HSE> Mohammad[B]: good! now are you by chance using webmin to administer that server?
[14:47] <Mohammad[B]> VK7HSE, no, this is manually
[14:47] <Mohammad[B]> and Ubuntu 9.04 in a VPS
[14:48] <VK7HSE> Mohammad[B]: OK! I'm now just trying to remember what causes that issue!
[14:48] <Mohammad[B]> ooh ok :)
[14:48] <Mohammad[B]> thnx
[14:49] <VK7HSE> Mohammad[B]: what's in your /etc/apache2/sites-available/default file?
[14:50] <Mohammad[B]> VK7HSE, i'm change it to "boozary" wait
[14:50] <VK7HSE> ok...
[14:52] <Mohammad[B]> VK7HSE, http://paste.ubuntu.com/280410/
[14:52] <Mohammad[B]> this is working but that error ... http://boozary.com/
[14:53] <VK7HSE> Mohammad[B]: here's mine so you can compare...  http://paste.ubuntu.com/280409/
[14:54] <Mohammad[B]> this is like my file
[14:55] <Mohammad[B]> hummm
[14:55] <VK7HSE> Mohammad[B]: the only thing I can see is that I haven't specified an ServerAlias in that file I have stated a ServerName www.vk7hse.hobby-site.org in apache2.conf  ???
[14:56] <VK7HSE> Mohammad[B]: is that server online ? and what's its URL?
[14:56] <Mohammad[B]> VK7HSE, yes, www.boozary.com
[14:57] <VK7HSE> ok no content on it just yet I see! ;)
[14:57] <Mohammad[B]> VK7HSE, http://boozary.com/ but this
[14:59] <VK7HSE> Mohammad[B]: Hmm... sorry not sure what's happening there... but it's certainly accessible but I realise to get rid of that warning would be nice! ;)
[15:00] <VK7HSE> Mohammad[B]: you haven't setup a second alias in /etc/apache2/conf.d  by chance? (I'm assuming you have not!)
[15:03] <VK7HSE> Mohammad[B]: have a look at...  http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/08/11/apache-warn-namevirtualhost-80-has-no-virtualhosts-error-when-start/
[15:04] <Mohammad[B]> VK7HSE, thanks i seen it yet
[15:04] <VK7HSE> Mohammad[B]: ok...  ;)
[15:05] <Mohammad[B]> thanks alot ;)
[15:06] <VK7HSE> Mohammad[B]: it kind of points to a duplication of the virtualhost of *:80 ... best of luck getting it sorted, sorry I wasn't of any help to you :(
[15:07] <cemc> is there a way to disable disk caching in ram for a partition, or mountpoint?
[15:08] <Mohammad[B]> VK7HSE, oh forget it dear ;) forget it
[15:28] <Mohammad[B]> VK7HSE, problem resolved with comment the NameVirtualHost * in ports.conf ;)
[15:29] <VK7HSE> Mohammad[B]: Ahh! glad to hear you sorted it ;)
[15:34] <Mohammad[B]> VK7HSE, i have 2 domains one boozary.com is root and boozary.cn setted to boozary.com's DNS i want boozary.cn open another directory do you can help me ?
[15:35] <VK7HSE> Mohammad[B]: as I'm only running one domain (vk7hse.hobby-site.org) I haven't attempted that ... sorry
[15:35] <Mohammad[B]> oh ok thanks
[15:35] <VK7HSE> but remember, GIYF (Google Is Your Friend)  ;)
[15:35] <Mohammad[B]> =))
[15:36] <Mohammad[B]> just fucking google :D
[15:37] <genii> !language
[15:46] <Mohammad[B]> VK7HSE, without google resolved :D
[16:19] <Skami_18> Hello
[16:21] <Skami_18> Someone have a web/mail server at home?
[16:23] <remote> hi
[16:24] <Skami_18> have you a box?
[16:28] <Skami_18> I'm trying to configure my NeufBox for a web server... but without success!
[16:29] <giovani> what's a NeufBox?
[16:33] <pmatulis> Newfoundland computer?
[16:34] <pmatulis> (joke)
[16:35] <Skami_18> A neufbox in an internet-box, a NeufBox sucks!
[16:42] <genii> Weird, i read that originally as NerfBox
[16:47] <Vog> Hmm that would be an interesting theme on a graphical desktop...
[16:47] <Vog> Nerf box... the computer you can't hurt yourself or anyone else with...
[16:49] <remote> i'm having troubles compiling compat-wireless on ubuntu-server, did anyone else do it?
[16:50] <remote> first i was having errors about /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build that didn't exist even though i had the kernel source and kernel headers installed
[16:53] <dholbach> hi guys
[16:54] <dholbach> could it be that dovecot's reload script (that is triggered after upgrades) does leave the services in a state where they're not listening or something?
[16:54] <dholbach> maybe it's a configuration issue at my place, that could very well be
[16:54] <f00fSteR> hey guys
[16:55] <f00fSteR> i'm trying to start a new server instance for this one contract
[16:55] <f00fSteR> now i set the internal static address ...
[16:55] <dholbach> I usually test with  sudo lsof | grep DEL  to find out if "old libraries and stuff are still loaded" and things were fine
[16:55] <f00fSteR> like a <IP_ADDRESS> as the internal
[16:55] <f00fSteR> but for an external ip address i cant seem to configure anything
[16:56] <f00fSteR> i tried changing the /etc/networking/interface file to include the seconbd external static ip with the name server but notthing
[16:56] <f00fSteR> any suggestions guys ?
[16:59] <jjohansen> smoser, erichammond: EC2 kernel status meeting
[17:00] <smoser> woohoo
[17:00] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/280496/
[17:00] <jjohansen> uh oh, smoser  is excited about it, must have a bug :)
[17:01] <smoser> no, i'm just excited that jjohansen is back
[17:01] <jjohansen> hehe
[17:01] <jjohansen> so basically I don't have much status
[17:02] <jjohansen> I am going to try to finish bisecting the ec2 virtual style config this morning
[17:02] <f00fSteR> jjohansen: hrmm... i'm in this too
[17:02] <jjohansen> rtg committed zuls tty patch, so hopefully we will have log messages now
[17:03] <jjohansen> f00fSteR: cool, welcome
[17:03] <smoser> jjohansen, so the big things are that bug 434755 and bug 431103 are marked as "fixed released", but we dont have an official build with them
[17:04] <smoser> if possible, i'd like to get one, and get it published. that way, in case you dont finish the bisecting by beta, we'll have these 2 bugs fixed in beta
[17:04] <smoser> with officially built kernels
[17:04] <jjohansen> smoser: right, I'll ping rtg when he gets back
[17:04] <smoser> and note, that with the AMIs having the kernel modules in them, bug 428692 is less severe (because the user has loop.ko available)
[17:05] <smoser> i really am happy you're back
[17:06] <f00fSteR> hrmm
[17:06] <f00fSteR> lol
[17:06] <f00fSteR> so anyone know how to set an external static ip on the same interface
[17:06] <f00fSteR> ?
[17:06] <jjohansen> smoser: were you involved in the ec2 installer fiasco at the end of last week?
[17:06] <f00fSteR> where an internal static ip has been set
[17:06] <f00fSteR> ?
[17:08] <jjohansen> f00fSteR: sorry to say I don't
[17:08] <jjohansen> alright anything else we should cover?  Or shall we call this meeting adjourned
[17:09] <f00fSteR> lol
[17:09] <smoser> jjohansen, adjourned is fine.
[17:09] <f00fSteR> maybe... setting up two static ip's on a single interface
[17:09] <f00fSteR> FUCK!
[17:09] <f00fSteR> lmfao
[17:09] <smoser> ec2 installer fiasco ? i think you mean uec
[17:10] <Pici> !language | f00fSteR
[17:10] <jjohansen> smoser: err yeah
[17:10] <smoser> i didn't follow it too much
[17:10] <jjohansen> and fiasco as in crunch
[17:10] <jjohansen> smoser: ah, me neither except my machine got drafted into service :)
[17:11] <smoser> f00fSteR, maybe look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEC/Images/Testing , search for eth0:0
[17:11] <smoser> jjohansen, i now have some hardware for testing UEC, but have been bogged down in ec2 stuff to deep to attempt setting up.
[17:12] <jjohansen> smoser: good to hear you have hardware,
[17:13] <erichammond> smoser: Can we get AMIs published with all the latest fixes?  Jono says Jorge's got testers working and it would be nice to make sure they're testing the best we have.
[17:13]  * jjohansen completely understands being bogged down
[17:13] <smoser> erichammond, actually...
[17:13] <smoser> let me see if they're public, but i have some up there.
[17:14] <f00fSteR> smoser: dude thanks :)
[17:16] <smoser> erichammond, can you see ami-28a34041 ?
[17:16] <erichammond> smoser: Yes, 20090926
[17:17] <smoser> .1
[17:17] <erichammond> yes
[17:17] <smoser> and i just made ami-24a3404d public.
[17:18] <smoser> so those are the latest. i'm not aware of any fixes outside of what they have
[17:18] <smoser> US-i386-karmic: ami-28a34041
[17:18] <smoser> US-x86_64-karmic: ami-24a3404d
[17:18] <smoser> there are no EU ones for those.
[17:18] <erichammond> smoser: Cool.  Can you make sure Jono/Jorge are aware of what should be tested?  I'm not sure how the communication works there or who's in charge.
[17:19] <smoser> yeah
[17:19] <smoser> hopefully we'll get a new kernel build from jjohansen sometime today and i'll get that uploaded / tested and attached to a nightly
[17:19] <zul> smoser: there is a new version of ec2-api-tools out ill package and get a FFE for post-beta
[17:20] <erichammond> zup: yippee!
[17:20] <erichammond> zul: Any chance it can get into pre-Karmic releases, too?
[17:21] <smoser> ppa releases would be easy
[17:22] <smoser> erichammond, please see my comment in bug 414997
[17:22] <smoser> i expect i know your feelings, but would like your thoughts
[17:23] <erichammond> smoser: Yes, I've been reviewing it based on your note on #ubuntu-ec2
[17:23] <zul> erichammond: we'll see
[17:26] <erichammond> smoser: I think you've found the correct place to document the behavior if the file is overwritten on first boot.
[17:27] <erichammond> smoser: The primary concern I have is for users who append PPAs to /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:28] <erichammond> It would probably be more appropriate for them to be creating additions under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ which I've just started doing myself.
[17:31] <erichammond> smoser: Did you find anybody else who supported overwriting sources.list on rebundled AMIs?
[17:40] <smoser> i've not gone asking much, erichammond (other than that bug)
[17:42] <mathiaz> Nafallo: hey - are you still working on bug 127836?
[17:43] <Nafallo> mathiaz: not really, no.
[17:44] <Nafallo> mathiaz: went with another backup solution IIRC.
[17:44] <erichammond> smoser: If folks feel that this is an area where it's really worth breaking existing users' code when they migrate, then I can help spread the word.  I'm just pushing for as smooth a migration plan as possible.
[17:44] <mathiaz> Nafallo: ok - I'll unassign you from the dapper task then
[17:45] <Nafallo> kewl.
[17:45] <erichammond> smoser: I think you solved the problem for people who are paying attention which is good.
[17:47] <smoser> erichammond, i'm glad you're reasonably ok with the idea
[17:47] <erichammond> smoser: If I didn't tell the person building my company's AMIs, the process would break and he'd have to track it down, but he would probably figure it out when he went to look at sources.list
[17:47] <smoser> i wish soren were around. i feel like its rude to put this change in (and get it into beta) in his absense
[17:47] <smoser> erichammond, right
[17:55] <baffle> smoser: Where is soren?
[17:59] <smoser> I dont really know details, but he's out at the moment
[18:04] <kutukepik> hi all
[18:05] <kutukepik> anyone have a hand on tutorial for ubuntu-server esp cloud
[18:09]  * biczd ola
[18:10] <eliaswimmer> hello, i'm playing around with kvm/vmbuilder, therefor i wanna know if it is possible to specify a "use all available space" parameter in the partition file
[18:13] <smoser> erichammond, regarding above, i think at this point, my suggested code change isn't warranted.  i think simpler to just modify the .tmpl files.
[18:13] <smoser> if we find that we have a bunch of them in the future, and such maintenance is a pain, we could do something like my patch
[18:15] <smoser> or maybe it is. i dont know.
[18:16] <smoser> 6 in one half a dozen in the other
[18:24] <erichammond> smoser: I haven't thought much about the locale, but wonder if a comment is less likely to be noticed.  I don't even know what file it would be found in.
[18:25] <smoser> well, the file you would be changing if you were changing the locale
[18:25] <smoser> (/etc/default/locale)
[18:25] <smoser> my guess is its not often changed. we set it based on region
[18:26] <smoser> us = en_US.UTF-8 , eu = en_GB.UTF-8
[18:27] <smoser> (in ec2init/__init__.py)
[18:27] <erichammond> Yeah, and there were no particularly good reasons for choosing those except that we had to choose something.
[18:27] <erichammond> So if the user has made a selection, perhaps it is even less beneficial to arbitrarily overwrite the change.
[18:27] <smoser> right. so, you get the queens english or US
[18:28] <erichammond> If somebody wants Hungarian on a server in Washington, they are not likely to want en_GB on a server in Dublin.
[18:28] <smoser> this is actually a reasonable example
[18:29] <zul> smoser: can you test out the new ec2-api-tools in my ppa when it builds
[18:29] <smoser> especially since it appears to me that the user sets that not by editing the file (which would work) but by running 'update locale <locale>'
[18:29] <smoser> err... update-locale
[18:29] <erichammond> When I build images it looks like I update /etc/default/locale and run "localdef"
[18:30] <erichammond> But I'm sure I just copied this from some sample I found somewhere.  I'm not a locale expert.
[18:30] <smoser> yeah. ec2-set-defaults does
[18:30] <smoser> locale-gen and then update-locale
[18:33] <smoser> even here, though, if the user is making that change, they can easily change the template file. i agree, it kind of sucks that it will break out of the box if you didn't know about the template file.
[18:34] <smoser> the same case could be true for modifying /etc/apt/sources.list, but I think the user is more likely to be modifying that file with an editor (rather than a tool)
[18:38] <erichammond> smoser: In my experience changes to sources.list are generally made with commands which append or a system like Puppet to overwrite so the user will not see the comment.
[18:38] <erichammond> smoser: But I'm glad you see that it sucks to break what the user has done :-)
[18:40] <smoser> well, if they're done with puppet, you think they're then re-bundled ?
[18:41] <smoser> i would have thought puppet changes would have been done to a installed instance, and then the thing wihch does rebundling or reates the master would be handled differently
[18:43] <smoser> so, i think the gist of all of this is that the template system is a more powerful system, and has good reason for existance.
[18:43] <smoser> not re-generating on every "first boot", means the user loses the power that the templating system gained us
[18:45] <smoser> and, as i pointed out, simply overwriting only if the file is different from the one you *would* write isn't sufficient, as it doesn't take into consideration the fact that the user is only able to write one file, while the template system outputs multipel based on environment conditions.
[18:46] <erichammond> smoser: For some of our images CampusExplorer.com generates the base image using puppet and rebundling.  When the instance is started it runs puppet again to bring the system up to date and apply any local configuration changes.
[18:46] <erichammond> The reason we do this is that the initial setup takes about 4 hours.
[18:47] <smoser> interesting.
[18:48] <erichammond> smoser: I think the template system is nice, and users should be encouraged to use it where they can take advantage of it.  I still would lean towards not breaking user changes to get them to notice the template system :)
[18:49] <smoser> so then, i think maybe best to do a combination of the two.
[18:49] <smoser> do not overwrite if different than would be generated
[18:49] <smoser> that is "safe"
[18:50] <smoser> but also put headers in those files about the primary source
[18:52] <dassouki> i just got some hosting on a ubuntu server (linode), it's meant to be for an opensource project. I'm gonna give access to some users, what are some of the ways i can create groups, give access, to people so they can only access for example svn, their home folder, and postgresql connection ?
[18:53] <smoser> but even that solution stinks. because the, the user almost *can't* take advantage of the templating system. because any file they write, and include in their rebundled image is going to be seen by ec2-set-defaults as "different" in some cases, thus making the existing file the one that is used.
[18:54] <smoser> the only solution to that is for the user to delete the generated file before building (or otherwise indicate "please overwrite this all the time")
[18:55] <smoser> i can't come up with a way to allow the user to take advantage of the templating and intelligently not overwrite their decision.
[19:00] <jacovt> Hello guys.
[19:00] <mathiaz> smoser: how are the templates structured?
[19:01] <mathiaz> smoser: is there a place for the user to define their own templates?
[19:01] <jacovt> Trying to get an answer in #kerberos for this without much luck, hoping there is a kerberos geek in here...
[19:01] <smoser> they can modify existing templates
[19:01] <mathiaz> smoser: where are these templates located?
[19:01] <smoser> but cannot control the input to the template rendering
[19:02] <smoser> /etc/ec2-init/templates
[19:02] <mathiaz> smoser: so what's the use case you're trying to solve?
[19:02] <smoser> ec2-set-defaults reads from there, and writes to the actual location
[19:03] <smoser> well, the use case that the template system is designed to provide is that we wish to use a different mirror in EU and US
[19:03] <jacovt> I want my notebook to authenticate agains 2 different kerberos realms, one at home and one in the office. These networks are not connected. If I take a look at the default krb5.conf it seems there are multiple realms defined, and I have my own realms aswell. Is it possible to authenticate against my home realm when I am at home and the work realm when I am at work using the same notebook?
[19:03] <smoser> so sources.list has "mirror" in it, that ec2-set-defaults renders to the correct ec2 internal mirror for that region
[19:04] <smoser> the issue that the bug raises is that this decision happens only "once ever". so if a user re-bundles, they're stuck with the output of that first run.
[19:04] <smoser> they will no longer get magical optimized settings of sources.list
[19:04] <mathiaz> jacovt: yes - if you use the kinit command to get a ticket for login@HOME_REALM or login@WORK_REALM
[19:04] <mathiaz> jacovt: however gdm won't support that IIRC
[19:05] <jacovt> mathiaz: Ah, thanks. But GDM?
[19:05] <jacovt> ah.
[19:05] <jacovt> lol.
[19:05] <smoser> however, there is the possibility that they've mdoified sources.list (adding a line) and rebundled, but hopeed that that line would be in the new instance.  if ec2-set-defaults runs in their new image, it would blow away their changes.
[19:05] <mathiaz> jacovt: you could try to login via gdm as login@REALM
[19:05] <jacovt> mathiaz: Do you know if its do-able via PAM ?
[19:05] <mathiaz> jacovt: but I don't that would work
[19:05] <mathiaz> smoser: how about leveraging source.list.d?
[19:05] <jacovt> mathiaz: Was kinda hoping for a transparent solution. :)
[19:06] <smoser> that solves for a single case. and yes, the usre should use that, but they may not.
[19:06] <mathiaz> jacovt: well - you'll always need to give the realm you want authenticate against
[19:06] <erichammond> mathiaz: Some use cases are listed in bug 414997.  smoser and I differ (politely) in our opinions of which uses cases might be more frequent and how severe the risks are for each.
[19:06] <smoser> right now, the templating system only deals with /etc/default/locale and /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:07] <smoser> and i disagree violently with erichammond's assertion that we disagree politely.
[19:08] <smoser> well, ok, i dont.
[19:08] <erichammond> :)
[19:08] <erichammond> I have to run, so I won't be able to defend my position, but I think I put most of it in the bug.
[19:08] <smoser> in the end, i dont think its really a big deal at the moment
[19:08] <jacovt> mathiaz: Well, I was hoping to do away with the krb5.conf completely, use srv and txt records for DNS to identify the kdc for the domain that is given to the notebook via DHCP (so it will auto lookup the kdc) and then just have pam authenticate agains whatever comes back for the domain. But I dont suppose its that easy.
[19:09] <smoser> as if you want the stuff re-run in the new bundle, you can just remove the semaphore ".ever" file
[19:09] <smoser> so maybe i would even agree that the best thing to do is to document *that* and otherwise leave code alone
[19:10] <mathiaz> jacovt: it should be possible - if you trust your dns system.
[19:11] <mathiaz> jacovt: I'd have a look at the pam_krb5 documentation and the krb5 documentation
[19:12] <jacovt> mathiaz: I looked at it, saw a lot about cross-realm auth, but that seems to imply that I need to create trust between the 2 networks, which is nt possible.
[19:14] <mathiaz> smoser: why not put the ec2 mirror information in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/?
[19:15] <mathiaz> smoser: ie in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ec2-mirror
[19:15] <mathiaz> smoser: and leave the sources.list untouched
[19:15] <mathiaz> smoser: or empty
[19:16] <|rt|> hey guys I just mentioned this in #ubuntu but this is probably more server related than desktop related
[19:16] <|rt|> in this case /etc/init.d/README suggests that you use update-rc.d to add init scripts to runlevels bu the man page for update-rc.d says that users should use sysv-rc-conf or bum should I file a bug to get the README updated to be in line with the man page
[19:17] <smoser> i tihnk there are several reasonable solutions for /etc/apt/sources.list, and that that is one of them (not one i'd thought of). the bigger problem is more generic, but since we only have 2 files, its not that big of a deal.
[19:18] <smoser> i think the solution i like best is to change nothing. if the user wants files regenerated after rebundle then they remove the semaphore ("already ran that") files.
[19:18] <mathiaz> |rt|: on which version of ubuntu do you see that?
[19:18] <|rt|> mathiaz: on 9.06
[19:18] <|rt|> or 04
[19:19] <mathiaz> |rt|: this has already been fixed in karmic - http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/karmic/en/man8/update-rc.d.8.html
[19:20] <mathiaz> smoser: agreed - supporting a .d/ include mechanism is usually the best way around that
[19:20] <|rt|> mathiaz: yeah looks like it....then no need to file a bug
[19:21] <mathiaz> smoser: you drop file in there and you can add comment to not touch it
[19:21] <smoser> i think even then you still have an issue if the user *wants* to touch it
[19:21] <smoser> ie, they do not like your selection of a mirror
[19:21] <mathiaz> smoser: that's fine - they can delete the ec2-mirror file
[19:22] <mathiaz> smoser: and if the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ec2-mirror doesn't exist, don't regenerate it
[19:22] <mathiaz> smoser: if it's there, update it
[19:22] <mathiaz> smoser: always
[19:23] <smoser> i think that works reasonably well there.
[19:33] <erichammond> Who runs keyserver.ubuntu.com? It does not seem to be responding to apt-key commands or to links from launchpad PPAs like http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xEC3735E12A0C5C1B98F0CF350EC7E508BE09C571&op=index
[19:34] <erichammond> I was about to add commands to my EC2 instance startup (and recommend them to the world) which would require that keyserver.ubuntu.com be available, but if it's not considered a high-uptime server I'll have to adjust.
[19:39] <mathiaz> Ng: ^^?
[19:43] <smoser> erichammond, i dont know the correct answer. i've seen it have issues before, but it is a fairly important service
[19:52] <erichammond> I've been having problems since yesterday or before, but just tracked it down to the keyserver.
[19:52] <smoser> erichammond, if you agree with my most recent comment in that bug, please go ahead and comment to that affect. if anyone here disagrees with it, do the same.
[19:53] <smoser> err.. i see your response. hold on.
[20:03] <erichammond> Eek, what is "<IP_ADDRESS> $hostname" still doing in /etc/hosts in the EC2 template?
[20:05] <smoser> it doesn't get used
[20:05] <erichammond> and /etc/hostname
[20:05] <erichammond> Yes, this is showing up in /etc/hosts on the Karmic Alpha6 AMI: <IP_ADDRESS> ubuntu.canonical.com ubuntu
[20:05] <smoser> that file istn used, so we probably should delete it from ect-init to avoid confusion
[20:06] <smoser> yeah, that gets written by vmbuilder
[20:06] <smoser> not by ec2-init
[20:06] <smoser> i thought you had opened a bug at once point, but couldn't find anything
[20:06] <smoser> you have a reference ?
[20:06] <erichammond> smoser: Me too
[20:07] <erichammond> I can't spend time on this right now, but these two files should be fixed/removed.
[20:09] <smoser> bug 316201 and bug 402273 i find now.
[20:12] <smoser> and one of those points to bug 407861
[20:15] <erichammond> smoser: Thanks for the research. So my "eek" was appropriate.  "Fixed" bugs popping up again are the worst.  One reason I like automating tests, especially for previously reported bugs.
[20:16] <smoser> i dont think it was ever fixed
[20:19] <smoser> the last comments in bug 407861 indicate that soren wanted to leave /etc/hostname with 'ubuntu' in it. it seems not to have side effects.
[20:19] <smoser> and for /etc/hosts, soren suggested opening a bug, which never got opened.
[20:35] <xt3mp0r> Any idea how i can make my tinyproxy(running on my ubuntu VPS) undetectable as a PROXY.. !?!!!?!?
[20:37] <g-hennux> hi!
[20:37] <RoyK> hi!!!
[20:37] <g-hennux> why does the python-vm-builder package have sooo many dependencies? (postfix? mysql? subversion?)
[20:37] <g-hennux> i don't actually want any of that on my vm server
[20:38] <RoyK> perhaps the designers thought that was good
[20:38] <RoyK> it'll just take a handful of megabytes
[20:38] <RoyK> you can stop the services after they have been started or you can install the stuff by hand - your choice
[20:40] <xt3mp0r> Any idea how i can make my tinyproxy(running on my ubuntu VPS) undetectable as a PROXY.. i tried looking a manpages..nothing helpful
[20:45] <sub> xt3mp0r: You probably want to use the "Anonymous" directive, if the config format hasn't changed you add lines similar to: "Anonymous Header1", "Anonymous Header2", "Anonymous HeaderN" where HeaderN is the name of the header you want to ALLOW through
[20:46] <sub> xt3mp0r: The example my config file has is located here: http://pastebin.com/da341278
[20:48] <xt3mp0r> sub: Thanks :)
[20:48] <xt3mp0r> giving it a try now
[21:01] <jthomas_sb_> Whenever I run any command on a Jaunty server setup I get errors that begin with "perl: warning: Setting locale failed." and there are a few more line.  I can pastebin the whole thing if it matters.  How can I fix this??
[21:03] <xt3mp0r> sub: I tried it, but didn't help me out.. i can still see the message "Possible Proxy Detected: 1.1 tinyproxy (tinyproxy/1.6.3)" when i go at whatismyip.com :s
[21:04] <qman__> jthomas_sb_, I probably can't help with that specific problem, but the whole error does matter, every time. You really should pastebin it.
[21:04] <sub> jthomas_sb_: Try installing the appropriate language pack, ie: sudo apt-get install language-pack-en for english
[21:06] <jthomas_sb_> i assumed it was a common error since this is a clean install.  here it is: http://pastebin.ca/1583110
[21:06] <qman__> xt3mp0r, using an alternate port may help
[21:08] <jthomas_sb_> sub that did it, thanks.
[21:09] <g-hennux> i am amazed by how much stuff works in ubuntu server "out of the box" concerning virtualization
[21:09] <g-hennux> e.g. bridging, this dnsmasq thingy etc
[21:10] <g-hennux> just one thing: i want the dnsmasq server to return some additional hostnames (i.e. it should host the names of the virtual machines). any way to do that?
[21:10] <xt3mp0r> qman__ : Tried it, still the same.
[21:15] <sub> g-hennux: I think dnsmasq might parse /etc/hosts for that, so you could try that
[21:16] <g-hennux> sub: yeah, just read that, thank you
[21:31] <davmor2> guys quick query on uec node is it meant to just spit the cd and reboot regardless.  Normally the cd is spat out and you're asked if you want to reboot.
[22:29] <manusoftar> Guys, How do I allow connections from the outside in postfix? I've tried <IP_ADDRESS>/128 though I'm sure I'm doing something wrong.
[22:29] <manusoftar> Connecting from the localhost is allowd.
[22:29] <manusoftar> The firewall is set to forward incoming requests to the correct PC, and it's been proven working
[22:29] <manusoftar> When I do dpkg-reconfigure I'm sure I'm messing up  in that stge
[22:30] <manusoftar> sed 's/stge/stage/g'
[22:41] <g-hennux> hi!
[22:42] <g-hennux> i have a problem with my kvm virtual machines: i'm using this virt-manager and can start them and say "open" and then sit directly in front of the console, i.e. see boot messages etc. however, once the console blanks (after a couple of minutes of inactivity), i get the message "connecting to console for guest", but cannot interact with the vm any more.
[22:42] <g-hennux> then how is it possible to get this console back?
[22:43] <g-hennux> i tried "console kvmtest" from the virsh, but get "no console available for the domain"
[22:43] <g-hennux> ssh'ing still works
[22:47] <reya276> how can I setup multiple websites on the apache server? I have internal IP addresses which are pointed to a NAT.
[22:48] <reya276> On IIS I would create the virtual website then assign the IP address and Hostname. On Apache I created a virtual host with the IP address and hostname but the site does not show. Is there additional config which I need to do to a host file of the system or something and if so where can I find this file.
[22:50] <Daviey> Is the -pae kernel karmic server default?
[22:55] <jthomas_sb_> reya276 where did you create the apache2 config file?  and, have you linked it to /etc/apach2/sites-enabled/ (or used a2ensite _sitename.com_ ?)
[22:55] <jthomas_sb_> i meant, linked it to /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/
[22:55] <reya276> no, I'm new to apache as I've always used IIS
[22:56] <jthomas_sb_> ok, where did you create the config file?
[22:56] <reya276> if you could walk me step by step on how to do this it would be great
[22:56] <jthomas_sb_> i have 5 minutes, but it may be enough
[22:56] <jthomas_sb_> where did you create the config file?
[22:56] <reya276> no right now I deleted the virtual host
[22:56] <jthomas_sb_> ah.  ok... are you running on a command line or with a gui ?
[22:56] <reya276> the website domain is www.finrcvgrp.com
[22:57] <reya276> using webmin
[22:57] <jthomas_sb_> sorry can't help you there then.  i don't know webmin at all but i've heard that it's full of security holes, I don't know for sure though.
[22:57] <reya276> but I can do command if you give me the command
[22:58] <jthomas_sb_> there is more to it than that; command line means you know some command-line editors like vim or nano or something.
[22:58] <reya276> nano
[22:58] <reya276> I have used that
[22:58] <reya276> sudo nano /etc/filename
[23:00] <reya276> on webmin there is a tab which allows me to create a virtual host then I can pastebin for you so you can see what it looks like
[23:01] <jthomas_sb_> ok so, i have to go but:  use nano to edit a file like this (no quotes) :  'nano /etc/apache2/sites-available/www.finrcvgrp.com '  In that file set up <VirtualHost 123.IP.Add.Ress:80> blah blah documentroot /var/www/folder/to/htdocs/  blah blah </VirtualHost>  Then at the command line run 'a2ensite /etc/apache2/sites-available/www.finrcvgrp.com '  which links that document to /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/www.finrcvgrp.com   Then restart
[23:01] <jthomas_sb_> apache, 'sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart'
[23:02] <jthomas_sb_> sorry i know that is pretty useless, perhaps someone else can assist you more
[23:02] <reya276> is ok, thanks
[23:03] <reya276> jthomas_sb_: I got this error ERROR: No site found matching /etc/apache2/sites-available/www.finrcvgrp.com!
[23:03] <reya276> but I think is /etc/apache2/sites-available/www.finrcvgrp.com.conf
[23:03] <jthomas_sb_> hm maybe just  ' a2ensite www.finrcvgrp.com '
[23:04] <jthomas_sb_> perhaps it looks in the right place and doesn't need to full path
[23:04] <jthomas_sb_> note that thie really requires that the file exists :)
[23:05] <jthomas_sb_> to restart apache2 you can also try 'apache2ctl -t' to test, and 'apache2ctl -k graceful' to (re)start the server, reya276
[23:06] <jthomas_sb_> webmin may not put the apache2 config files in /etc/apache2/sites-available/  i am not sure
[23:06] <jthomas_sb_> gotta go
[23:06] <JanC> webmin is evil...
[23:06] <reya276> no is there but it is called www.finrcvgrp.com.conf
[23:07] <jthomas_sb_> lol ok use that file name for a2ensite
[23:07] <reya276> JanC: I understand but I have no experience with command line
[23:07] <g-hennux> is there any howto what i have to do (concerning port forwarding etc) if i want to have port 80 of my kvm guest be available from the outside of the kvm host?
[23:07] <jthomas_sb_> reya276 no worry, you'll get there if you want to :)
[23:08] <reya276> jthomas_sb_: ok that gave me a msg "Site www.finrcvgrp.com.conf already enabled"
[23:08] <JanC> reya276: learn to use a linux server at home before you put one on-line, and you won't need webmin
[23:09] <reya276> JanC: I do use Ubuntu at home, just never tried to configured a server before besides this is the time I'm taking to learn it
[23:09] <reya276> JanC: 3 kids at home and a nagging wife is not a fun time to do this


[10:16] <alnokta> lost@lost-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[10:16] <alnokta> Reading package lists... Done
[10:16] <alnokta> Building dependency tree
[10:16] <alnokta> Reading state information... Done
[10:16] <alnokta> xubuntu-desktop is already the newest version.
[10:16] <alnokta> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[10:16] <alnokta> lost@lost-desktop:~$
[10:16] <TheSheep> alnokta: weird
[10:16] <TheSheep> alnokta: you already rebootedafter the upgrade?
[10:17] <alnokta> now i'm thinking of reading the installation log, and install  all the uninstalled packages
[10:17] <alnokta> yep
[10:17] <alnokta> but will it contain the names of it?
[10:17] <alnokta> and where it is in the first place? ;)
[10:17] <TheSheep> alnokta: you have all the packages installed, I guess
[10:18] <TheSheep> alnokta: log is in /var/log somewhere, as you'd expect
[10:18] <alnokta> but i saw the bastard removing them!
[10:18] <TheSheep> probably old versions or no longer needed packages
[10:18] <Pumpernickel> /var/log/dpkg.log
[10:19] <TheSheep> alnokta: but that thing with Terminal crashing windows looks like a problem with the graphics driver *again*
[10:19] <TheSheep> alnokta: there was similar issue with firefox and nvidia on dapper
[10:20] <|Slurp33|> i am currently running the new xubuntu live cd for desktop.  is there anyway I can save my current settings?  Maybe save some information so next time I boot to live cd, I can reference this file ?
[10:21] <Pumpernickel> |Slurp33|: If you have a usb drive, sure.
[10:21] <|Slurp33|> what can I do ?
[10:21] <TheSheep> or you could mount the hdd and save it there
[10:21] <alnokta> TheSheep: is it fixable?
[10:21] <|Slurp33|> do you know the root password for the live cd ?
[10:22] <TheSheep> alnokta: if it's similar to that dapper thing, then it's a bug in the driver itself
[10:22] <TheSheep> alnokta: what graphics card do you use?
[10:22] <mz_> there's no root on the live cd, right?
[10:22] <TheSheep> |Slurp33|: there is none
[10:22] <TheSheep> |Slurp33|: use sudo
[10:22] <mz_> sudo command and it will run as root
[10:23] <TheSheep> or sudo -s and it will switch you to root
[10:23] <mz_> or sudo su :p
[10:23] <TheSheep> mz_: sudo bash ;)
[10:23] <mz_> lol
[10:23] <Pumpernickel> sudo -i
[10:23] <Pumpernickel> It sets up a complete root shell environment.
[10:23] <alnokta> is this helpful? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16640/
[10:24] <alnokta> i'm using s3 trio3d (very old)
[10:25] <TheSheep> Apr 20 21:55:48 lost-desktop gdm[6580] : gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0
[10:25] <TheSheep> ouch
[10:26] <TheSheep> alnokta: check /var/log/xorg.0.log
[10:28] <maxamillion> jeebus ... been a busy day in here today
[10:28] <TheSheep> maxamillion: like the old days :)
[10:28] <alnokta> TheSheep: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16643/
[10:29] <TheSheep> alnokta: clean
[10:29] <alnokta> the driver is okay?
[10:30] <TheSheep> alnokta: dunno, but the xorg log doesn't contain any critical errors
[10:30] <TheSheep> alnokta: how about dmesg | tail ?
[10:32] <maxamillion> TheSheep: lol ... or like the week after edgy's release :)
[10:33] <TheSheep> alnokta: if dmesg doesn't have anything meanngful, then just take that strace, describe what you did and report it as a bug
[10:33] <alnokta> TheSheep: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16644/
[10:33] <TheSheep> alnokta: it looks like either a bug in the graphics driver or in the X itself
[10:34] <TheSheep> alnokta: nothing
[10:34] <alnokta> ah
[10:35] <TheSheep> !bugs | alnokta
[10:35] <ubotu> alnokta: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[10:35] <TheSheep> alnokta: you can use the vesa driver in the mean time, until they kill that bug
[10:36] <alnokta> TheSheep: how?
[10:37] <TheSheep> alnokta: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf (as root) and find the line that says 'driver "s3virge"', then replace it to 'driver "vesa"'
[10:37] <TheSheep> alnokta: but the vesa driver is slow
[10:38] <Puppy_> Des 7.04 load up the desktop differently? When I load from the log in screen, it takes a long time to load the desktop. Does anyone know anything about this?
[10:38] <Puppy_> *does
[10:39] <TheSheep> Puppy_: try going to settings->session and disabling 'start gnoem services'
[10:39] <TheSheep> gnome
[10:39] <Puppy_> ok, thanks!
[10:41] <Puppy_> TheSheep: I think it is disabled all ready.
[10:41] <TheSheep> Puppy_: no idea then what may be so slow
[10:41] <thongrim>  TheSheep: It's very very funny, I almost finished the check of the cd on the damn laptop
[10:41] <Puppy_> TheSheep: ok thanks.
[10:41] <TheSheep> Puppy_: you might try to switch to text console with alt+ctrl+f1, run 'top', then log in, switch back and see what takes so much cpu
[10:41] <TheSheep> bah
[10:42] <thongrim> TheSheep: and I think that the problem was with brasero
[10:42] <TheSheep> thongrim: maybe you just burned with too high speed?
[10:43] <thongrim> TheSheep: no no, at 2x :-)
[10:43] <thongrim> TheSheep: probably it has some problems :-P
[10:43] <alnokta> TheSheep: how to use the new driver? reboot? also, i cannot get that text console you are talking about :P
[10:44] <thongrim> TheSheep: now booting
[10:44] <TheSheep> alnokta: alt+ctrl+backspace
[10:45] <alnokta> and to return?
[10:46] <maxamillion> alnokta: it will bring you back automatically
[10:46] <TheSheep> hopefully :)
[10:46] <alnokta> hehe
[10:48] <alnokta> crap
[10:48] <alnokta> it does the same thing as 'terminal'
[10:49] <alnokta> i will reboot now to see if vesa works
[10:50] <B1zz> is it safe to use the restricted drivers for the ATI card on feisty?
[10:51] <Pumpernickel> About as safe as it ever is.
[10:51] <B1zz> welp here goes lol
[10:52] <B1zz> rebooting
[10:56] <kbrooks> who here has Xubuntu 7.04
[10:57] <TheSheep> !ask | kbrooks
[10:57] <ubotu> kbrooks: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:57] <kbrooks> OK, Xubuntu 7.04 has a bug,
[10:57] <alnokta> okay, with vesa, the terminal work fine..but ctrl+alt+backspace..shows me the console but it throws me the login window..is that normal?
[10:57] <kbrooks> When i try to open the terminal, it restarts GDM.
[10:58] <TheSheep> alnokta: alt+ctrl+backspace kills and restarts X
[10:58] <alnokta> TheSheep: so that is normal?
[10:58] <TheSheep> kbrooks: do you have an s3trio graphics card?
[10:58] <TheSheep> alnokta: yes
[10:58] <kbrooks> TheSheep, i am talking about xfce-terminal, not ctrl+alt+fN
[10:58] <alnokta> TheSheep: can you put that bug instead of me? please ;)
[10:59] <TheSheep> alnokta: please report that bug please
[10:59] <TheSheep> alnokta: nuh-uh
[10:59] <braveheartlion> Hello, friends. I'm  running the distribution upgrade and I'm now faced with the "configuring mdadm" screen. Please see http://p.rc6.org/index.php?id=b480d5712a. What should I choose?
[10:59] <alnokta> :P
[10:59] <kbrooks> TheSheep, i started the terminal. then it restarted X. why?
[11:00] <TheSheep> kbrooks: it crashed your graphics driver, most probably alnokta here had the same problem just now
[11:00] <kbrooks> TheSheep, it did not
[11:00] <TheSheep> kbrooks: there must be a bug.
[11:00] <TheSheep> kbrooks: what graphics card do you use?
[11:00] <kbrooks> TheSheep, this worked on edgy. why?
[11:00] <alnokta> TheSheep: what do you say? will you report it?
[11:00] <TheSheep> alnokta: no
[11:00] <alnokta> :(
[11:00] <TheSheep> alnokta:you want it fixed, you must report
[11:01] <TheSheep> alnokta: it doesn't hurt
[11:01] <kbrooks> alnokta, why cant you report?
[11:01] <alnokta> okay, i'm just lazy :P
[11:01] <TheSheep> hah!
[11:01] <kbrooks> TheSheep, intel 8 xxx hang on
[11:01] <braveheartlion> i've included all the text of "configuring mdadm". Pls see http://p.rc6.org/index.php?id=a9691b6ae7. What should I do?
[11:02] <kbrooks> TheSheep, 82815
[11:02] <kbrooks> TheSheep, thats my vid card
[11:02] <braveheartlion> should I choose "all" available arrays (which is the default answer, by the way)?
[11:02] <alnokta> TheSheep: i think it will be better if i add kbrooks's strace
[11:02] <alnokta> right?
[11:02] <kbrooks> alnokta, wtf?
[11:02] <kbrooks> alnokta, no
[11:03] <alnokta> ok
[11:03] <alnokta> :)
[11:03] <kbrooks> alnokta, just submit the bug
[11:03] <TheSheep> kbrooks: so you have a different graphics card but the same problem
[11:03] <TheSheep> kbrooks: you can use 'xterm' instead until the problem is fixed
[11:03] <kbrooks> TheSheep, THIS WORKED on edgy.
[11:04] <TheSheep> kbrooks: yes, it's a bug
[11:04] <kbrooks> TheSheep, how to change the menu?
[11:04] <TheSheep> kbrooks: settings->menu editor
[11:04] <kbrooks> TheSheep, any proof
[11:05] <TheSheep> kbrooks: no, no proofs, you're just a second person in 10 minutes that has this problem
[11:05] <kbrooks> TheSheep, i do not think this is related to my vid card because xterm works
[11:05] <kbrooks> it is related to feisty
[11:05] <TheSheep> kbrooks: xterms doesn't use vte and the advanced graphics functions
[11:06] <TheSheep> kbrooks: it's related to X in feisty
[11:06] <kbrooks> TheSheep, really? link?
[11:06] <TheSheep> nevermind
[11:06] <kbrooks> TheSheep, what? its not?
[11:07] <TheSheep> kbrooks: no, but I don't feel like arguing
[11:07] <alnokta> ;)
[11:08] <aro> I doubt you'll get much help when you demand proof to every statement kbrooks.
[11:08] <aro> If you don't want help just leave.
[11:09] <kbrooks> aro: I want the bug URL for a statementt hat this is related to X in feisty, and not some random thing.
[11:09] <kbrooks> Anyway, bug filing time.
[11:10] <alnokta> i'm doing it
[11:10] <TheSheep> Bug #97491
[11:10] <ubotu> Malone bug 97491 in Ubuntu "xfce4-terminal crashes or freezes xorg" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97491
[11:10] <alnokta> huh
[11:11] <TheSheep> alnokta: use that one
[11:12] <TheSheep> alnokta: give your system specs, that log with xioerror and maybe the strace of your terminal
[11:13] <TheSheep> kbrooks: I think you should add to that bug report too
[11:13] <TheSheep> kbrooks: the more users report, the faster they will fix it
[11:14] <alnokta> ah, okay :)
[11:15] <ubd> how can i change the mouse theme?
[11:16] <TheSheep> alnokta, kbrooks: you may install gnme-terminal instead
[11:16] <TheSheep> ubd: settings->keayboard and mouse
[11:16] <maxamillion> ubd: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=320199
[11:17] <_Codeman_> How do I get xubuntu to use my graphics card instead of the onboard?
[11:17] <ubd> i do not use ubuntu
[11:17] <maxamillion> _Codeman_: disable the onboard in your bios
[11:17] <maxamillion> ubd: uhmm... then what do you use?
[11:17] <ubd> debian
[11:17] <ubd> and xfce
[11:18] <maxamillion> ubd: then go to #debian or #xfce
[11:18] <_Codeman_> it's either on-board only or auto... there is no off :(
[11:18] <maxamillion> ubd: this channel is the official support channel for xubuntu ... a xfce+ubuntu based distro
[11:18] <maxamillion> ubd: we probably aren't of much help here to you
[11:18] <maxamillion> _Codeman_: really? ... thats strange
[11:18] <_Codeman_> isn't it?
[11:19] <maxamillion> rather
[11:19] <_Codeman_> I was rather annoyed when I found that out... but there's no way to tell it to use the card?
[11:20] <maxamillion> _Codeman_: i think there is ... i just don't know how ... it has something to do with the xorg.conf, i believe there is an entry in there to tell xorg which device to use
[11:20] <alnokta> TheSheep:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/97491 okay?
[11:20] <maxamillion> _Codeman_: can you pastebin your xorg.conf? ... i think we might be able to get this resolved
[11:20] <ubotu> Malone bug 97491 in Ubuntu "xfce4-terminal crashes or freezes xorg (dup-of: 99927)" [Undecided,Needs info]
[11:20] <ubotu> Malone bug 99927 in xfce4-terminal "xfce terminal crashes and returns me to login screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[11:21] <_Codeman_> Well, yesterday my grub crapped out on me so I have to use live cd... which keeps defaulting to the onboard which doesn't seem to want to display :(
[11:22] <maxamillion> _Codeman_: oh ... ouch
[11:22] <TheSheep> alnokta: yes, I'm amrking it as a duplicate -- there are at least 4 similar bugs reported already
[11:22] <maxamillion> _Codeman_: there might be a boot parameter to pass but i would assume you need to be able to see the boot line to edit it
[11:23] <_Codeman_> well I can see the boot line... but when it goes to x/desktop it switches to onboard and no disply
[11:23] <TheSheep> alnokta: After switching my xorg.conf DefaultDepth setting from 24 to 16 the problem vanished with no affect on performance.
[11:24] <alnokta> ah, ok, i will try that after i eat :)
[11:25] <maxamillion> _Codeman_: oh ok ... hmm...
[11:25] <TheSheep> kbrooks: did you see that?
 alnokta, kbrooks: you may install gnme-terminal instead # how?
[11:26] <TheSheep> kbrooks: with synaptics, for example. But it will pull in some gnome libraries
[11:26] <maxamillion> kbrooks: use the package manager of your choice and install the gnome-terminal package
[11:27] <TheSheep> it seems the bug is in xfce4-terminal itself, not in vte or X
[11:27] <kbrooks> TheSheep, i *have* some installed and some cached :-)
[11:27] <kbrooks> TheSheep, how do you know, btw?
[11:27] <TheSheep> kbrooks: #91849
[11:27] <TheSheep> Bug #91849
[11:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 91849 in xfce4-terminal "i810 + xorg = xfce crashes when opening terminal (dup-of: 99927)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91849
[11:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 99927 in xfce4-terminal "xfce terminal crashes and returns me to login screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99927
[11:28] <kbrooks> ok, seems fresh enough
[11:28] <kbrooks> independent stuff ...
[11:28] <TheSheep> pretty nasty
[11:29] <TheSheep> lots of people use intel cards
[11:29] <TheSheep> I thnk we have the bug #1 for this release :)
[11:29] <ubotu> Malone bug 1 in jl "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[11:29] <TheSheep> argh, not that one, thank you ubotu
[11:29] <TheSheep> !botsnack
[11:29] <ubotu> Yum!
[11:30] <kbrooks> After switching my xorg.conf DefaultDepth setting from 24 to 16 the problem vanished with no affect on performance. # hmm, trying ...
[11:31] <kbrooks> ok, restarting X:
[11:31] <TheSheep> good luck
[11:32] <kbrooks> hmm
[11:32] <kbrooks> it vanished too.
[11:32] <kbrooks> but why?
[11:32] <kbrooks> i'd really like to know why.
[11:33] <kbrooks> but i have no idea
[11:33] <kbrooks> ah well, removing gnome-terminal...
[11:33] <TheSheep> kbrooks: if it vanished too then it might be important infomation to report on the bug page
[11:34] <kbrooks> TheSheep, vanish = the problem
[11:34] <kbrooks> (sorry)
[11:34] <TheSheep> kbrooks: ah, that's good for you :)
[11:34] <TheSheep> kbrooks: sorry for the inconvenience
[11:35] <kbrooks> TheSheep, i'm impressed that you are this polite :-)
[11:35] <TheSheep> kbrooks: trying my best, thank you
[11:35] <kbrooks> TheSheep, np :-)
[11:35] <TheSheep> kbrooks: I actually already shred to pieces two dummies shaped like you
[11:36] <kbrooks> TheSheep, rephrase metaphor? :-)
[11:37] <TheSheep> um, mannequins?
[11:37] <kbrooks> TheSheep, or is THAT a metaphor at all? :-)
[11:37] <TheSheep> sure, sure (me shoves the pieces under the bed)
[11:40] <_Codeman_> maxamillion: I can't find anything for that... do you got anything?
[11:40] <TheSheep> _Codeman_: you can specify the PCI bus address for the card to use in xorg.conf
[11:41] <TheSheep> _Codeman_: if that;s waht you're looking for
[11:41] <frandavid100> hi, sorry but I need some help
[11:41] <TheSheep> !ask frandavid100
[11:41] <TheSheep> !ask | frandavid100
[11:41] <ubotu> frandavid100: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:41] <maxamillion> _Codeman_: no ... i sure don't ... if your bios won't switch it i really am at a loss ... sorry :(
[11:41] <frandavid100> what line would fstab to be able to mount /dev/hdc1?
[11:42] <frandavid100> I need to mount it urgently to backup some data
[11:42] <TheSheep> frandavid100: if it's a one-time mounting, you don't need to put it into fstab
[11:42] <_Codeman_> TheSheep: No, grub is borked and I'm trying to get into the install (alt cd) to reinstall or fix ot w/e but it keeps trying to use my onboard video and I was wondering if there was a boot line command to change it
[11:42] <frandavid100> more specifically I need to mount /dev/hdc1 in /home/ubuntu/Desktop/carpeta, and it's ext3
[11:43] <TheSheep> frandavid100: sudo mount /dev/hdc1 /home/ubuntu/Desktop/carpeta
[11:43] <frandavid100> it says: /dev/hdc can't be found in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[11:43] <TheSheep> _Codeman_: no idea. in ye olde days there was an option to use the com1 port...
[11:44] <hoth> I am trying to upgrade to 6.10 and when I pull from the repository I get this error ...any help please??
[11:44] <TheSheep> frandavid100: note the 'sudo'
[11:44] <frandavid100> yup
[11:44] <frandavid100> I sudoed it
[11:45] <frandavid100> if I include it in fstab, just to see if that works, how do I specify the filesystem?
[11:45] <hoth> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[11:45] <TheSheep> frandavid100: third column
[11:45] <TheSheep> frandavid100: just look at the other entries
[11:46] <TheSheep> hoth: type: df -h
[11:46] <TheSheep> hoth: and tell me the first line
[11:46] <hoth> in the term window I am assuming?
[11:46] <TheSheep> hoth: yes
[11:46] <frandavid100> I'm on the live cd, so there's nothing significative there
[11:46] <TheSheep> (actually the first line of the table, not the heading)
[11:47] <TheSheep> frandavid100: here is mine: /dev/sda5      /home           ext3    defaults        0       1
[11:47] <hoth> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[11:47] <hoth> /dev/hda1             111G  4.2G  101G   4% /
[11:47] <hoth> varrun                379M  112K  379M   1% /var/run
[11:47] <hoth> varlock               379M  4.0K  379M   1% /var/lock
[11:47] <hoth> udev                  379M  104K  379M   1% /dev
[11:47] <hoth> devshm                379M     0  379M   0% /dev/shm
[11:47] <hoth> lrm                   379M   19M  361M   5% /lib/modules/2.6.15-28-386/volati
[11:47] <TheSheep> hoth: whoa
[11:47] <TheSheep> don;t paste the whole thing :)
[11:47] <hoth> sorry
[11:48] <TheSheep> hoth: ok, so it's not out of disk space
[11:48] <hoth> Didn't think so
[11:49] <TheSheep> hoth: maybe try again, I can fetch and unpack that file without problems
[11:49] <hoth> Seems like it gets about 90% downloaded and then that error shows
[11:49] <frandavid100> alright, there's no way to mount it. Alternative question, is there some way to rebuild the grub?
[11:49] <hoth> can I ask how you fetched it?
[11:49] <TheSheep> frandavid100: sure
[11:50] <frandavid100> cause yhis computer just seems to load the grub forever if I boot from the cd
[11:51] <frandavid100> it belongs to my girlfriend too, and I rather she didn't kill me when she finds out what I did to her PC
[11:51] <TheSheep> frandavid100: I think that booting from cd doesn't use grub
[11:51] <frandavid100> yup, that's why I'm on the livecd
[11:52] <TheSheep> frandavid100: if you boot the live cd, there is ( at the beginning) this menu, it has 'rescue broken system'
[11:52] <frandavid100> if I just reinstall from here, and set the same partitions, but not to be formatted, will /home be obliterated?
[11:52] <hoth> Thesheep: I tried 8 times to get it to no avail
[11:52] <frandavid100> hm
[11:52] <TheSheep> frandavid100: if you choose it, and follow the wizard, there is an 'reinstall grub' option
[11:52] <frandavid100> didn't notice that entry
[11:52] <frandavid100> whoa you made my day then
[11:52] <TheSheep> frandavid100: may be it's only on the alt cd though
[11:52] <frandavid100> hm
[11:52] <TheSheep> frandavid100: but no worries, you can do that manually
[11:53] <frandavid100> that wouldn't be too cool, how can I do it manually just in case?
[11:54] <TheSheep> frandavid100: open terminal, boot grub
[11:54] <TheSheep> frandavid100: sorry
[11:54] <TheSheep> frandavid100: open terminal, type 'grub'
[11:54] <TheSheep> frandavid100: wait for it to start
[11:54] <TheSheep> frandavid100: what partition is xubuntu installed on?
[11:56] <hoth> THE sheep: I used sudo update-manager -c -d to get the upgrade
[11:57] <TheSheep> hoth: can you fetch that file manually?
[11:57] <frandavid100> er, /dev/hdc1 actually
[11:57] <hoth> from where? I haven seen where to get it
[11:57] <TheSheep> hoth: wget http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2
[11:57] <hoth> thanks will try it
[11:58] <TheSheep> frandavid100: ok, so in the grub, type 'root (hd0,0)'
[11:58] <TheSheep> frandavid100: then 'setup (hd0)'
[11:59] <frandavid100> Selected disk does not exist
[11:59] <frandavid100> :(
[11:59] <TheSheep> O.o
[11:59] <TheSheep> fun!
[11:59] <maxamillion> ?
[11:59] <TheSheep> frandavid100: look ath this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=00caf72db97773cc843faa189c0254d7&t=414514&highlight=reinstall+grub
[11:59] <maxamillion> whoa ... that's no good
[11:59] <alnokta> TheSheep: why ctrl+alt+f1 don't work with the original driver and works with vesa?
[12:00] <frandavid100> I think I'd rather reinstall again, but... will my data be safe if I do so?
[12:00] <_StefanS_> hi there
[12:00] <TheSheep> alnokta: some drivers have problems with switching to text mode and back, maybe they disabled it?
[12:00] <TheSheep> frandavid100: no
[12:00] <_StefanS_> I've got a headless via c7 server, and want to serve clients with a remote xfce desktop, what is the easiest way ?
[12:00] <frandavid100> damn
[12:01] <TheSheep> frandavid100: at least not if you have it all on one partition
[12:01] <Terramel> Hello
[12:01] <TheSheep> frandavid100: do you have a separate /home partition?
[12:01] <Terramel> where is the MD5 for Xubuntu?
[12:01] <Terramel> for feisty
[12:01] <frandavid100> I wish
[12:01] <frandavid100> ok I'll sort it out tomorrow, it's late
[12:01] <TheSheep> frandavid100: what does 'sudo fdsik -l' say?
[12:02] <alnokta> TheSheep: ah, may be, i will just stick with vesa, its not much different from it anyway
[12:02] <TheSheep> fdsik
[12:02] <ulf_am_beat> StefS: vnc?
[12:02] <TheSheep> sorry
[12:02] <frandavid100> command not found
[12:03] <frandavid100> need to go, thanks for your help and patience TheSheep
[12:03] <frandavid100> really
[12:03] <_StefanS_> ulf_am_beat: yea, but I was just wondering the best way to do it in xfce , it would just start a vncserver on a display that boots into xfce
[12:03] <TheSheep> frandavid100: ok, good night
[12:03] <frandavid100> see you tomorrow!
[12:03] <TheSheep> frandavid100: hope you get it sorted out
[12:03] <_StefanS_> ulf_am_beat: just sort of checking what would be the preferred way to do it ;)
[12:03] <TheSheep> _StefanS_: there are vnc servers that work similar to rdesktop -- allow you to log in
[12:04] <TheSheep> _StefanS_: there is also LTSP
[12:04] <TheSheep> _StefanS_: actually, I think LTSP is the way :)
[12:04] <_StefanS_> TheSheep: uhm ok, I would just like it to keep a session running at all times that I can connect to. Guess vnc is the way to go
[12:04] <TheSheep> _StefanS_: ah, ok, yes
[12:04] <TheSheep> _StefanS_: this or nxclient
[12:04] <_StefanS_> TheSheep: I know what you mean, but I'm the only user, soo .. :)
[12:05] <ulf_am_beat> xrdp is okay for a beat system :)
[12:05] <_StefanS_> TheSheep: well doesn't nxclient suspend the session ?
[12:05] <_StefanS_> TheSheep: or i might be mistaken
[12:05] <ulf_am_beat> rxdp? beta? oh well..
[12:06] <TheSheep> _StefanS_: not sure, I've only heard some good things about it
[12:06] <_StefanS_> TheSheep: it is very good, but I cant remember if it keeps the sessions running.
[12:06] <ulf_am_beat> me too, but i dont thing its open source, isnit?
[12:06] <_StefanS_> TheSheep: only way to find out ....
[12:07] <TheSheep> ulf_am_beat: no
[12:07] <TheSheep> goodnight everyone
[12:07] <Pumpernickel> peace
[12:08] <_StefanS_> night
[12:08] <_StefanS_> thanks for the help
[12:09] <maxamillion> TheSheep: good night
[12:15] <pokieo> hello can anyone help me?
[12:16] <Pumpernickel> !anyone
[12:16] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[12:16] <pokieo> okay, I am trying to login as root and when I try the login page tells me I can't login fromthere
[12:17] <pokieo> I am trying to update the virus definitions
[12:17] <Pumpernickel> Yeah, root is disabled by default.  You can use `sudo` from your regular account.
[12:18] <pokieo> yes in the terminal
[12:18] <pokieo> but what about when the progam is installed and needs to run in root?
[12:19] <maxamillion> pokieo: sudo will give it root privilages without having to require the root account be enabled
[12:19] <maxamillion> !sudo | pokieo
[12:19] <ubotu> pokieo: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:19] <maxamillion> !botsnack
[12:19] <ubotu> Yum!
[12:19] <pokieo> thanks
[12:20] <maxamillion> pokieo: no problem
[12:21] <maxamillion> pokieo: i know its a little different and it might take a little getting used to if you are coming from another distro, but it really helps take the ambiguity out of desktop administration and it also adds a little bit of security because you only have an admin account and not root.... kinda like how Mac OS X does it by default
[12:25] <alnokta> can i change the refresh rate of monitor manually?
[12:27] <alnokta> !ubotu refresh rate
[12:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about refresh rate - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi


[21:26] <kirandeo> hi all... i am using ubuntu 8.10 i want to install new version 11.04... but i dont want to loose my data on my ubuntu dedicated drive... i dont have any backup media... is it possible to overwrite previous version without data loss?
[21:29] <MrChrisDruif> kirandeo; Have you got a separate /home partition?
[21:29] <MrChrisDruif> And why go from 8.10, which is a LTS (or Long Time Service) version to a regular version?
[21:30] <kirandeo> yes i have installed ubuntu on separate unallocated drive...at that time
[21:30] <MrChrisDruif> If I remember correct and I often remember correct :P
[21:31] <MrChrisDruif> You mean Ubuntu is just one drive/partition? Not a separate /home partition?
[21:31] <kirandeo> w8 lemme explain
[21:32] <kirandeo> i had installed windows on 120 gb HD and left 40 GB for ubuntu.... unallocated...
[21:33] <kirandeo> and than installed ubuntu on 40 gb
[21:35] <kirandeo> i guess i had reserved 8 GB for ubuntu installation... and remaining for data...
[21:35] <kirandeo> MrChrisDruif : m i clear?
[21:36] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, so your data is on a separate partition?
[21:36] <kirandeo> yes
[21:38] <MrChrisDruif> Well, then your safe to install it over the Ubuntu partition :)
[21:38] <MrChrisDruif> But it could never hurt to back it up ;)
[21:38] <kirandeo> hmm
[21:41] <kirandeo> just let me confirm its like this
[21:41] <kirandeo> ... dev/sda7.....ext3.....     /
[21:41] <kirandeo> and dev/sda9 ...... ext3..... /home
[21:41] <MrChrisDruif> In case of hardware failure I mean
[21:42] <MrChrisDruif> Your /home is a separate partition, so it's good to go....
[21:42] <kirandeo> hmm.... thanks.... a lot.... :)
[21:43] <kirandeo> thanks to ubuntu too... i love it
[21:44] <MrChrisDruif> Your welcome
[21:44] <MrChrisDruif> Btw, there are more people who can help in #ubuntu-beginners :)
[21:44] <kirandeo> ohh
[21:44] <kirandeo> thanks..
[21:44] <MrChrisDruif> Your welcome :)