[00:23] <dodimar> hi, i have a problem installing xubuntu... after installtion, when I reboot my system... GRUB gives me an error 18...
[00:27] <j1mc> dodimar: what have you tried thus far to resolve it?  have you tried anything?
[00:29] <dodimar> done nothing, can't figure it out.. when I first encoutered this (with 7.10), i just re-installed xubuntu (problem with partitioning back then), but now, everything was in order, but can't seem to make it work (tried redoing the installation, still same error)...
[00:30] <cody-somerville> http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/GRUB#Error_18
[00:31] <dodimar> yeah, reading it now, but my grub is placed at the front (should be cause I chose to install grub at the mbr)...
[00:55] <dodimar> oh well, have to fix this on my own,, hope I won't give up on xubuntu this time...
[00:55] <dodimar> tnx
[01:14] <cody-somerville> It isn't about it not being able to load grub.
[01:14] <cody-somerville> It is about not being able to load the _kernel_.
[01:15] <cody-somerville> So you need to use the solution it outlines and you'll be good.
[01:15] <cody-somerville> :: If he comes back, please repeat my response to him.
[01:17] <teohhanhui> hi
[01:19] <teohhanhui> anyone around?
[01:21] <cody-somerville> Yes.
[01:21] <cody-somerville> Just ask your question ;]
[01:30] <teohhanhui> how do i adjust the volume for my audio device?
[01:31] <cody-somerville> Right click the panel, click add to panel
[01:31] <cellofellow> teohhanhui: hi again. There's a Volume applet in the panel applets. Right-click the panel and choose something like Add to Panel. (I forgot the exact item and am using GNOME right now.)
[01:31] <cody-somerville> Select the mixer
[01:31] <cody-somerville> and tada :)
[01:32] <cody-somerville> Heya cellofellow :)
[01:32] <teohhanhui> okay, will try that.. but why isn't that more obvious?
[01:32] <cellofellow> Hey there Cody. What happened to somerville32?
[01:32] <cody-somerville> Well, I set cody-somerville on my laptop so that I could leave my desktop logged in
[01:33] <cellofellow> oh, ok
[01:33] <cody-somerville> but now my desktop is packed away and I've been using my laptop exclusively.
[01:33] <cody-somerville> teohhanhui, It would be my fault. I'll fix it tomorrow.
[01:33] <cellofellow> I've been using my laptop now for 6 months, and using GNOME on it so that's why I haven't been in #xubuntu much.
[01:33] <cody-somerville> I'm guilty of that too :P
[01:34] <cellofellow> Sometimes little weird things popup in GNOME that I know wouldn't have happenned in XFCE. I have the impression that XFCE is a bit of a better-designed system than GNOME.
[01:34] <cellofellow> desktop, not system.
[01:35] <cody-somerville> :)
[01:35] <cellofellow> With speed, I figure using Compiz-Fusion on XFCE would defeat the purpose, and I like Compiz.
[01:36] <teohhanhui> it seems like an average user has a lot of packages to install in xubuntu
[01:36] <cody-somerville> cellofellow, I found it was still faster for me.
[01:37] <cellofellow> hmm, ok
[01:37] <cody-somerville> Although Xfce4's performance gains are slowly fading away as gnome gets faster and more robust.
[01:38] <cellofellow> Well, I've heard (but not tried it) that the slackware-based XFCE-distros like Zenwalk and Vector are quite a bit faster than Xubuntu.
[01:38] <cody-somerville> Yea, I can see that.
[01:38] <teohhanhui> and xfce4 getting more.... bloated?
[01:38] <cody-somerville> teohhanhui, hehe
[01:39] <cody-somerville> I think Ubuntu's core is getting a bit more bloated too
[01:39] <cellofellow> I think it's Xubuntu adding stuff to XFCE that makes it seem bloated. Last version of Xubuntu I used was Feisty and I've tried Gutsy but it had way more *stuff*.
[01:40] <cellofellow> So, I figured, may as well use GNOME.
[01:40] <teohhanhui> was hoping that it could save my 6-year-old pc from all those lags and freezes in XP ;P
[01:40] <cody-somerville> teohhanhui, oh yes.
[01:40]  * cody-somerville is very happy with Linux. :)
[01:40] <cellofellow> Unless the hardware is causing the lags and freazes, even KDE4 should lack them.
[01:41] <teohhanhui> unfortuantely, i only have 128mb of ram
[01:41] <cody-somerville> Gah! :(
[01:41] <cody-somerville> I'd recommend atleast 512
[01:41] <cellofellow> definetly use Xubuntu or even Fluxbunto on that thing.
[01:41] <cellofellow> Hey, Xubuntu runs fine on a Pentium III with 319MB.
[01:42] <cellofellow> At least Feisty did, been using my new Turion X2 2GB with Gutsy.
[01:42] <teohhanhui> any tips to make it faster? hehe
[01:42] <cellofellow> Get more RAM if you can, disable unused services.
[01:43] <cellofellow> That's what eats RAM is the services.
[01:43] <cellofellow> Daemons, services is Windows-speak I don't know why Ubuntu calls Daemons "services".
[01:43] <cellofellow> Or is that GNOME?
[01:45] <cellofellow> cody-somerville: What would you say are the real-world minimum hardware requirements for Xubuntu and a "normal" user?
[01:46] <teohhanhui> i didn't realize what "mousepad" was. haha
[01:46] <cellofellow> I have Xubuntu running on an old Pentium II with 64MB and it starts up rather slow. s3virge video driver seems a bit unstable too. It's Feisty so I don't know what that has to do with it.
[01:46] <teohhanhui> looks like i don't need gedit?
[01:46] <cellofellow> more like Abiword and Firefox.
[01:47] <cellofellow> teohhanhui: oh, no, use SciTE on Xubuntu, not GEdit.
[01:47] <teohhanhui> but i only need a plain text editor, like mousepad!! ;P
[01:47] <cellofellow> Then use Mousepad.
[01:47] <cellofellow> SciTE is good for more complicated stuff like some conf files, HTML, Python, what have you.
[01:48] <teohhanhui> okay.. what's the difference between autoremove and remove in apt-get?
[01:48]  * cellofellow uses GEdit mostly for LaTeX, SciTE or vim for a lot of stuff, Eclipse sometimes.
[01:49] <cellofellow> teohhanhui: autoremove gets rid of some if it was auto installed.
[01:49] <teohhanhui> great
[01:49] <cellofellow> teohhanhui: seems more complicated to me than using aptitude myself. I almost never use apt-get, opting for aptitude.
[01:50] <teohhanhui> hmm... what's that?
[01:50] <teohhanhui> is it better than apt-get?
[01:51] <cellofellow> it's a better apt-get. It's got an ncurses-based GUI, and a command-line interface similar to apt-get, but a little more intuitive.
[01:51] <teohhanhui> okay, will try that out too
[01:52] <teohhanhui> it provides the functionality of synaptics without the lags and freezes? cool
[01:53] <teohhanhui> oops.. that's synaptic
[01:57] <cellofellow> more functionality really.
[01:57] <cellofellow> Here's the tip for searching descriptions: put ~dsearchterm. Just puting searchterm only searches titles. Took me a while to figure that one out.
[01:58] <aLeSD> hi all
[01:58] <teohhanhui> any suggestions for audip player with a GUI?
[01:58] <aLeSD> I just installed xubuntu.desktop
[01:58] <teohhanhui> *audio
[01:58] <aLeSD> how can I configure and start compizi ?
[01:58] <cellofellow> I like Exaile but it needs python-gnome2 for full functionality.
[01:58] <teohhanhui> i just did some hours ago, hehe
[01:58] <cellofellow> teohhanhui: BMPx is good too.
[01:59] <cellofellow> teohhanhui: and Audacious if you like WinAMP.
[02:01] <aLeSD> hi
[02:02] <aLeSD> someone could help me , pls?
[02:09] <teohhanhui> i have no idea how to to jump back to the parent listing in aptitude
[02:48] <Dark_Fox> Hello everyone. I'm having trouble with installing the new Xubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron.  Everything installs alright, but I can't boot into my system afterwards. It appears that GRUB is not properly booting up my /boot and root partitions properly.  I've tried reinstalling GRUB with grub-install to my MBR (/dev/sda), but when I try to configrue with "grub", I do "root (hd0,4)" then "setup (hd0)" or "setup (hd0,0)", it says 'Checking if "/boot/grub/st
[02:48] <Dark_Fox> age1" exists... no' , 'Checking if "/grub/stage1" exists... no', then it says "Error 15: File not found".  Right now I'm in the shell it gives me after it installs the base system.
[03:20] <jsoftw> Whats the volume control package called?
[03:20] <jsoftw> I cant seem to find it
[03:21]  * Crazytales uses alsamixer in cli
[03:21] <jsoftw> :|
[03:21] <jsoftw> What about something gui like.
[03:22] <cellofellow> jsoftw: add the volume applet to the panel.
[03:22] <PsynoKhi0> heya, xubuntu-restricted-extras seems to install fairly bothersome java packages...
[03:22] <jsoftw> cellofellow: ahh uh.. whats it called ( as a package name )
[03:22] <jsoftw> I dont seem to have it.
[03:23] <cellofellow> jsoftw: just right-click the panel and Add Item to it, it should be in that window.
[03:23] <jsoftw> its not.
[03:23] <jsoftw> Hence, my origional question, again.
[03:23] <cellofellow> hmmmm
[03:29] <PsynoKhi0> jsoftw: xfce4-mixer I think
[03:32] <jsoftw> PsynoKhi0: thanks
[03:32] <PsynoKhi0> np
[03:46] <seancron> does anyone have suggestions for running vbetool without entering a password?
[03:48] <seancron> Currently I'm using a c++ program that uses the "sudo -s" command
[04:08] <kaf> I installed xfce-desktop.Should I remove gnome-desktop
[04:09] <Odd-rationale> kaf: see here on how to get pure xubuntu: http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce
[04:09] <kaf> thank you
[04:29] <Finnishe1> Ah, wonderful, I got in...
[04:32] <Finnisher> Well, I have a rather old laptop with half-broken CD drive. I can load the alternate Xubuntu CD, but if I try to install the base system from the CD, I get a lot of read errors on the packets. Could it be possible to boot from the CD, set up network connection and then download the base-system from an official (x)ubuntu ftp server?
[04:33] <Odd-rationale> !mini | Finnisher
[04:33] <ubotu> Finnisher: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[04:33] <Finnisher> Wonderful, thanks, I'll try it out!
[04:34] <Odd-rationale> Finnisher: < 10 mb O.O
[04:34] <Finnisher> Even if I download the Ubuntu mini-CD, I can choose Xfce instead of Gnome, right?
[04:34] <Odd-rationale> Finnisher: but the mirror might be slow nowadays...
[04:35] <Odd-rationale> with everyone trying to upgrade...
[04:35] <Finnisher> naturally
[04:57] <Finnisher> now, let's try to get that lappy boot the minicd =S
[04:59] <Finnisher> Should it mention ISOLINUX, like the alternate CD or load a bootloader with F1: Linux ?
[04:59] <Odd-rationale> Finnisher: like the alt
[05:00] <Finnisher> hmm, I guess I keep trying then
[05:01] <Odd-rationale> Finnisher: it didn't boot?
[05:01] <Finnisher> no it didn't
[05:01] <Odd-rationale> Finnisher: you burned the iso image, not the iso itself? just double checking
[05:01] <Finnisher> with some CDs I have to try several times before the drive boots off it
[05:02] <Finnisher> yes, with ImgBurn
[05:02] <Odd-rationale> ok
[05:02] <Finnisher> ah, 13th time the charm, it booted \o/
[05:05] <Finnisher> YES! It retrieves the components from the Internet! Lovely!
[05:05] <Finnisher> btw the MiniCD page doesn't list the Hardy Heron as LTS release (doesn't have the asterisk) ...
[05:06] <Finnisher> but then again I guess this isn't the place to mention it
[05:06] <Odd-rationale> Finnisher: slow retrieval?
[05:12] <Finnisher> well it only retrieves installation components for now
[05:13] <Odd-rationale> Finnisher: well have fun
[05:13] <Odd-rationale> I;m going to bed...
[05:13] <Finnisher> I don't mind having slow retrieval, I'm going to let it install overnight... or overday...  anyway, I'm going to sleep while it downloads =D
[05:46] <rpedro__> hello
[05:48] <rpedro__> I'm having a bit of trouble logging in to a xubuntu desktop on my main account. Already tried removing ~/.config/xfce4 folder but I still get a blank, frozen desktop when I log in
[05:50] <rpedro__> something similar happened to me before, I think it was some incompatibility with xfce + compiz, it would load the desktop apparently but as soon as compiz loaded automatically (it borrowed the settings, it seems, from gnome, but removing the compiz icon from the gnome startup session would not stop it from loading at startup) the screen would flash, and I would get a bunch of empty windows/panels
[05:51] <rpedro__> removing the .config/xfce4 fixed that that time, but not now...
[05:54] <PsynoKhi0> do you see your icons?
[05:56] <rpedro__> nope
[05:56] <rpedro__> just a blank screen
[05:56] <PsynoKhi0> hmm
[05:57] <rpedro__> I mean, the color of the desktop background I guess
[05:57] <PsynoKhi0> can you alt +f2?
[05:57] <rpedro__> didn't try... :(
[05:58] <rpedro__> just killed the desktop with ctrl-alt-bksp
[05:59] <PsynoKhi0> you could try deleting you cache
[05:59] <PsynoKhi0> .cache/xfce4/sessions I think
[05:59] <PsynoKhi0> a bunch of text files in there
[06:00] <rpedro__> ls .cache/xfce4/
[06:00] <rpedro__> desktop/        weather-plugin/ xfrun4/
[06:01] <rpedro__> no folder with that name in there
[06:05] <PsynoKhi0> uh weird
[06:05] <PsynoKhi0> well, maybe not...
[06:11] <Finnisher> oh yay, installation of GRUB failed \o/
[06:13] <Finnisher> I'll go with LILO then...
[06:15] <Finnisher> o..k...
[06:15] <Finnisher> LILO failed as well
[06:15] <Finnisher> now what?
[06:19] <Finnisher> grub fails at 0% and lilo fails at 50%, whether I'm trying to install it on master boot record or "new ubuntu installation"
[06:19] <Finnisher> if I continue without a boot loader, will all the past installation work be for naught?
[06:34] <Finnisher> well
[06:34] <Finnisher> I hope I can install a boot loader afterwards
[06:34] <Finnisher> well fat chance
[06:36] <Finnisher> because I see the bootloader I used with FreeBSD, it offers Linux as F1, but gives a loud BEEEEP when I press F1, Esc or Enter
[06:45] <Finnisher> goddamn, started installation again on rescue mode, but it won't accept any server as archive server
[06:47] <rpedro> dunno the nick who was helping me just before, I tried logging in to an xfce session after removing those two folders, same thing
[06:47] <rpedro> I can alt-f2, and move the mouse, but still just an empty screen
[06:51] <PsynoKhi0> rpedro: after alt f2, can you launch xfdesktop?
[06:51] <rpedro> will have to try again
[06:52] <rpedro> but if it works, what should fix it?
[06:52] <PsynoKhi0> http://ubuntuliving.blogspot.com/2007/04/dude-wheres-my-desktop.html
[06:53] <rpedro> oh
[06:53] <rpedro> alt-f2
[06:53] <rpedro> read ctrl-alt-f2 :P
[06:53] <rpedro> didn't try alt-f2
[06:53] <PsynoKhi0> ah
[06:54] <rpedro> ok, will try that again
[06:55] <rpedro> should I get this bug every time I don't log out properly?
[06:56] <PsynoKhi0> not sure
[06:56] <PsynoKhi0> happened to me to lose the panels a few times, but never the whole desktop
[06:57] <rpedro> ok, trying again
[06:57] <rpedro> thanks for the help :)
[06:57] <PsynoKhi0> np
[06:59] <wolfwalker> Okee dokee, anyone here know of a good guide for installing Xubuntu 8.04 to flash drive?  I've googled and can't find one.
[06:59] <wolfwalker> Or does the normal Ubuntu guide at pen drive linux work for Xubuntu also?
[07:01] <PsynoKhi0> it should
[07:01] <wolfwalker> Right
[07:01] <PsynoKhi0> xubuntu - xfce - a few app + gnome = ubuntu :D
[07:01] <PsynoKhi0> oy
[07:02] <wolfwalker> So how much shorter does a full install make your average flash drive's life expectancy?
[07:02] <PsynoKhi0> xubuntu - xfce + a few app - a few others + gnome = ubuntu*
[07:02] <PsynoKhi0> no clue sorry
[07:02] <wolfwalker> Thank you
[07:03] <rpedro> it is working
[07:03] <PsynoKhi0> great!
[07:03] <rpedro> strange that now, it loaded the panels automatically at startup, but not the dekstop
[07:04] <PsynoKhi0> what did you have on your desktop?
[07:04] <rpedro> and it is loading a bunch of apps that I haven't had in my gnome startup session for a long while
[07:04] <rpedro> just the dekstop icons
[07:04] <rpedro> and couldn't right-click for the menu
[07:05] <rpedro> xfdesktop fixed it
[07:05] <PsynoKhi0> ok
[07:05] <rpedro> and it is loading 2 copies of pidgin....
[07:06] <rpedro> plus azureus and ekiga, which I only had loading auto for a short while under gnome
[07:07] <PsynoKhi0> so you mae the switch from gnome to xfce?
[07:07] <PsynoKhi0> made*
[07:07] <PsynoKhi0> not a pure xubuntu install, I mean
[07:07] <rpedro> but it is very nice of course that it gets the startup apps from gnome, makes it easier to switch
[07:07] <rpedro> yes
[07:07] <PsynoKhi0> aaah
[07:07] <rpedro> been using gnome all the time
[07:08] <PsynoKhi0> double apps/icons are a common issues when switching desktop
[07:08] <PsynoKhi0> you should be able to fine HowTos to get rid of thos if you want to
[07:08] <PsynoKhi0> fine = find*
[07:11] <rpedro> I still think gnome rocks, of course :)
[07:11] <PsynoKhi0> :)
[07:11] <Finnisher> hey
[07:11] <Finnisher> How can I completely erase MBR?
[07:12] <PsynoKhi0> no clue
[07:13] <Finnisher> would some hdd wiping tool do the job?
[07:13] <Finnisher> it IS on the hdd, after all?
[07:13] <albuntu> is anyone else experiencing really slow speeds with ff 3 beta 5?  this machine is acting all messed up since the 'upgrade', running xubuntu os on dell opptipllexx with 256 ram, used to work just fine and fast.
[07:13] <TheSheep> Finnisher: you can fill the fist bytes of your disk with zeroes
[07:13] <Finnisher> wonderful
[07:13] <TheSheep> (can't remember how many)
[07:13] <rpedro> but the main problem I have with gnome, besides it being slow, is that some 'core' desktop apps don't really seem to get basic development effort on them, (a few) features are added, but bugs and usabillity issues remain...
[07:14] <TheSheep> but that will make it impossible to boot it
[07:14] <Finnisher> I was left with FreeBSD bootloader when I installed Xubuntu and now I can't install GRUB or LILO and the FreeBSD loader (BTX is it?) can't load Xubuntu
[07:14] <TheSheep> Finnisher: why can't you install grub?
[07:14] <Finnisher> because error?
[07:14] <PsynoKhi0> albuntu: only ff3 is an issue?
[07:14] <Finnisher> I dunno
[07:15] <Finnisher> it just fails
[07:15] <TheSheep> Finnisher: try disabling the anti-virsu protection in bios
[07:15] <rpedro> like gnome-panel, hangs sometimes out of nowhere for me, and nautilus, specially nautilus(!), I think it is a great app, but just seems to get even slower with each release...
[07:16] <Finnisher> it is such an old bios it has no such thing
[07:19] <PsynoKhi0> took me close to an hour to find out why my fresh hardy install felt much slower than gutsy: the default theme has animated bars in the panel applets, and they were eating 30-40% of the cpu cycle times heh
[07:19] <PsynoKhi0> bah he/she left
[07:25] <albuntu> firefox crashed on me and took chatzilla down with it.  is anybody else having any probs with ff 3 beta 5 which got installed with the hardy 'upgrade'?
[07:38] <rpedro> albuntu: ff 3 crashes for me all the time too
[07:39] <rpedro> albuntu: on hardy, cause firefox 3 on gutsy didn't
[07:40] <albuntu> rpedro, i wasn't having any probs on gutsy either
[07:40] <albuntu> but i wonder if going back to ff 2 will be any better on hardy?
[07:41] <rpedro> on the bug report I made a while back, and if you run firefox from a terminal, it always complains about glib, or the bug is glib related, or something... :/
[07:41] <rpedro> yeah, no issues with firefox2
[07:43] <rpedro> albuntu: apt-get install firefox2 , I think
[07:44] <albuntu> maybe i should try that
[07:48] <holyguyver> I am running Gutsy have been so for 3 days, I have had sound all those 3 days, but then a few hours ago I tried to stream a flv from youtube through mplayer when it caused mplayer to crash, then from that moment on my sound has not worked, I have restarted my computer & I have uninstalled & reinstalled alsa, & still nothing, please help
[07:49] <holyguyver> So any help?
[07:53] <raider_> how come I can hear sound from only one app and not from the other?
[07:53] <raider_> is it not possible to hear two sounds simultaneously on xubuntu?
[07:55] <ere4si> !sound
[07:55] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[07:56] <holyguyver> so anyone know an answer to my problem?
[07:58] <ere4si> holyguyver: how do you know it was mplayer that crashed?
[07:59] <raider_> ere4si: sound works fine. but if I have youtube open and mp3blaster playing something I can hear just one of them and not both simultaneously
[07:59] <holyguyver> because I was using mplayer at the time & I made it crash 4 times
[08:00] <ere4si> raider_: those links will help sort you out
[08:00] <holyguyver> I didn't loose audio until the final crash
[08:01] <ere4si> holyguyver: if you run mplayer from a terminal you will get output aas to what the issue is
[08:02] <ere4si> *as
[08:02] <holyguyver> no the issue is system wide now
[08:02] <raider_> ere4si: so it isnt enabled by default?
[08:03] <holyguyver> that is why I tried uninstalling alsa
[08:03] <ere4si> holyguyver: mplayer might say - no audio device - or similar which would mean it is a h/ware issue
[08:03] <ere4si> raider_: it works here
[08:03] <holyguyver> no it is not a hardware issue as my sound was working in ubuntu for the past 3 days
[08:04] <ere4si> holyguyver: but not now?
[08:04] <holyguyver> yes not since mplayer crashed about 2 hours ago
[08:04] <holyguyver> now no media player will make sounds
[08:04] <holyguyver> & the system will not make sounds
[08:04] <holyguyver> but until 2 hours ago I was listening to music on this baby for the past 3 days
[08:05] <ere4si> holyguyver: just trying to get some info about why it crased - somewhere to work from - I can't see it from here :)
[08:06] <holyguyver> I did a reboot, I uninstalled & reinstalled alsa, I checked & there is no errors reported in the terminal & my soundcard is perfectly compatible
[08:06] <holyguyver> & nothing is on mute & my speakers are good
[08:06] <raider_> ere4si: you have alsa OSS installed?
[08:07] <holyguyver> I hope that info helped :p
[08:07] <ere4si> raider_: nope - alsa with onboard intel sound
[08:07] <raider_> gah its same here
[08:07] <raider_> intel card
[08:07] <raider_> are you on xubuntu?
[08:08] <holyguyver> Yes I am
[08:08] <raider_> that was for ere4si -_-
[08:08] <ere4si> holyguyver: fire up mplayer and then check dmesg in a terminal to get some info
[08:08] <ere4si> raider_: yep
[08:08] <holyguyver> How would I go about doing that?
[08:08] <raider_> ok I am gonna log into xfce and then see
[08:09] <holyguyver> so far in terminal I have been trying aplay
[08:09] <ere4si> holyguyver: try to play something with an app - anything sound wise - then in a terminal type dmesg -tail
[08:12] <ere4si> holyguyver: that should be     dmesg tail
[08:13] <holyguyver> you know what you won't believe this but in the other room I was chatting in I told the guys how I fixed this problem 5 months ago & now it just happened again, so actually thank you, it is fixed :p
[08:14] <ere4si> happy for you
[08:16] <holyguyver> I told them that it was something really silly that fixed it like asking the terminal to list something that should not have effected it, only to put up a list of processes or something, & it fixed it, & they all 5 months ago was still wondering how that fixed it, but I didn't care as I was just happy it was fixed :p
[08:17] <raider_> ere4si: what two apps are you using? -_-
[08:17] <ere4si> raider_: two apps? - for doing what?
[08:17] <raider_> dude...
[08:17] <raider_> I said two apps together cant play music simultaneously
[08:17] <raider_> that was my problem
[08:18] <raider_> mp3blaster and firefox couldnt play music together
[08:18] <ere4si> raider_: I play music and have an alarm that uses aplay in the terminal - both sound together fine
[08:18] <raider_> you got mp3blaster?
[08:19] <raider_> could you get it for a moment, I wanted to test something
[08:19] <ere4si> raider_: I've never heard of it
[08:19] <ere4si> is it in the repos?
[08:19] <raider_> apt-get install mp3blaster once. its a CLI based mp3 player
[08:20] <holyguyver> I just told them all about how you helped me, they are all confused again now like how they was 5 months ago as the cammand to list the log should not have fixed it, but it did :p
[08:20] <raider_> ere4si: got it?
[08:21] <ere4si> yep
[08:21] <raider_> fire up mp3lbaster in a terminal and load a file
[08:21] <raider_> press F3
[08:22] <raider_> because F1 opens help for the terminal
[08:22] <raider_> now play a track and fire up firefox
[08:22] <raider_> play a song on youtbe
[08:23] <ere4si> got a link?
[08:23] <raider_> lol play anything man
[08:24] <raider_> can you hear both songs?
[08:25] <ere4si> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9HaNbsIfp0 - gave no sound
[08:25] <raider_> exactly
[08:26] <ere4si> I wouldn't have understood either if both played..
[08:26] <ere4si> I'll try something
[08:26] <raider_> now close mp3blaster
[08:26] <raider_> reload youtube
[08:26] <raider_> and when you start hearing the youtube song
[08:26] <raider_> fire up mp3blaster and try playing something
[08:26] <raider_> its gonna say cant open device
[08:27] <ere4si> firefox froze...heh
[08:28] <raider_> kill it lol
[08:29] <raider_> results ere4si ?
[08:29] <ere4si> yep - you're right
[08:29] <raider_> told ya
[08:30] <ere4si> the youtube song sux too!
[08:30] <raider_> haha
[08:30] <raider_> I <3 Pekwm
[08:31] <raider_> xfce seems bloated lol
[08:31] <ere4si> raider_: I'm kinda glad it doesn't play two songs at the same time - would just be a garbled mess
[08:33] <raider_> well thats not my point. why is the sound device locked?
[08:33] <ere4si> raider_: try -   aplay -c 1  /path/to/mp3   - then in another terminal use mp3blaster and see what happens
[08:36] <raider_> ok I got something
[08:36] <raider_> its just mp3blaster that cases probs
[08:36] <raider_> I can use pidgin sounds with firefox
[08:37] <raider_> btw here is a good song
[08:37] <ere4si> raider_: I've never heard anyone mention mp3blaster - it might still need work :)
[08:37] <ere4si> !
[08:37] <raider_> naw its old
[08:37] <raider_> been there since a long time
[08:37] <ere4si> k
[08:37] <ere4si> still might need work
[08:37] <raider_> any tips on trimming down xubuntu?
[08:37] <raider_> I need it more snappier
[08:37] <ere4si> I'm old and need work :)
[08:38] <raider_> lol k
[08:38] <ere4si> raider_: I use  sysv-rc-conf   to turn off unneeded services
[08:38] <ere4si> like cups and laptop stuff
[08:58] <nikolam> hi
[08:59] <nikolam> what torrent client do zou reccomend?
[08:59] <TheSheep> nikolam: ubuntu comes with Transmission by default
[08:59] <TheSheep> nikolam: if you need something more advanced, rtorrent is nice
[08:59] <TheSheep> lol @ current xkcd
[09:00] <ere4si> +1 for rtorrent
[09:01] <nikolam> i used to use patched azureus, I will try rtorrent, thanks ;)
[09:02] <nikolam> Anyway, My screen in 8.04 does not locks itself after 10 minutes..
[09:03] <nikolam> And also ctrl+alt+delete does not lock screen
[09:03] <TheSheep> nikolam: what if you run xflock from the terminal?
[09:04] <nikolam> need to be installed . Command not foud. So i will install it then
[09:04] <TheSheep> it may be xflock4 or something
[09:04] <nikolam> its name is xflock4 :))
[09:05] <nikolam> It seems that it is installed with xfce4-utils
[09:05] <nikolam> But it does not start when it is called as xflock4
[09:06] <TheSheep> no messages?
[09:06] <nikolam> /usr/bin/xflock4: 28: xlock: not found
[09:06] <nikolam> ls -l /usr/bin/xflock4
[09:06] <nikolam> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1017 2008-01-27 12:52 /usr/bin/xflock4
[09:07] <TheSheep> try xlock
[09:07] <TheSheep> do you have a screensaver installed?
[09:07] <nikolam> it wants me to install xlockmore package
[09:10] <nikolam> now it locks but it`s ugly. I liked simplicity of locking before.
[09:10] <voodoo> could anybody suggest my an app for playing music? (i need something that cand search directories recusively)
[09:10] <nikolam> amarok
[09:11] <TheSheep> nikolam: that's a kde application
[09:12] <nikolam> oh..
[09:12] <voodoo> :) TheSheep 10x, i was about to say the same thing
[09:13] <TheSheep> voodoo: if you like amarok, try exaile
[09:13] <TheSheep> voodoo: quod libet and rhythmbox are library-based too
[09:13] <voodoo> is it written in python??
[09:13] <TheSheep> voodoo: if you want something more traditional, like winamp, try audacious
[09:13] <TheSheep> voodoo: yes
[09:15] <voodoo> i need something simple, not something which is a cpu/memory hog
[09:15] <Iskr> i still like beep media player
[09:15] <Iskr> i find it lighter than audacious
[09:15] <TheSheep> personally, I use mpd with several different clients
[09:16] <nikolam> Now I have xlockmore to lock the screen but it does not select saver I want (blank screen) but puts them randomly
[09:18] <voodoo> Iskr, are you referring to xfmedia?
[09:18] <TheSheep> voodoo: bmp is another fork of xmms, like audacious
[09:18] <cody-somerville> xmms and bmp both are no longer in the archive, IIRC.
[09:26] <voodoo> i've install audacious... i like it... seems like a good clone of winamp
[09:27] <cody-somerville> :)
[09:32] <Iskr> in the archive?
[09:32] <Iskr> you mean in the repositories?
[09:33] <Iskr> in 7.10 it was
[09:33] <Iskr> i don't know in 8.04
[09:44] <voodoo> i have another question: i'm looking for a program similar to cuesplit? does anybody know one? I want to split some flacs based on a cue file
[09:51] <voodoo> or anyway, how do i use audacious' cuesheet plugin?
[11:50] <DaBeowulf> hmm my upgrade from feisty to hardy did throw some error towards the end, (plucker and update-manager related) and the update-manager displays this in a terminal that I ran it from at the end: "current dist not found in meta-release file" (twice)
[11:51] <DaBeowulf> Any idea what gives, or a pointer to a bug report of this sort?
[11:52] <DaBeowulf> I tried reinstalling it with apt-get but it still does this.
[11:52] <DaBeowulf> Were there any updates (security or recommended) after the release of hardy?
[11:53] <ere4si> try   sudo apt-get update   then   sudo apt-get upgrade   to see
[11:54] <DaBeowulf> I did, someone in #ubuntu just said there weren't so that's good so far..
[11:54] <DaBeowulf> thanks for the reply btw :)
[11:55] <ere4si> k
[11:56] <DaBeowulf> Anyone else noticed strange behaviour with firefox3b5?
[11:56] <ere4si> DaBeowulf: lots of people in #ubuntu have cpu issues - 100% usage etc
[11:57] <DaBeowulf> yes it gets unresponsive and I thought I had mad hdd activity (until I closed it)
[11:58] <DaBeowulf> When I then started it again and only stared at my blank starting page for a while it'd come back after a while.. backdoor? ¬¬
[11:58] <ere4si> DaBeowulf: I have seen people with hdd issues and firefox but it isn't one I get
[11:59] <ere4si> DaBeowulf: try starting it from a terminal to see some output
[11:59] <DaBeowulf> Duh, good idea thanks. >_<
[11:59] <DaBeowulf> :)
[11:59] <DaBeowulf> embrace the terminal :D
[12:01] <ere4si> hehe
[12:01] <ere4si> it has it's uses...
[12:01] <DaBeowulf> I didn't try dialing in again to get another IP and see if that rids me of it or makes it take longer to reoccur either
[12:02] <DaBeowulf> But I have faith it's 'normal' behaviour for someone with my exact setup atm.
[12:19] <DaBeowulf> nah, no output.. but declining faith =0
[12:24] <ere4si> DaBeowulf: there's been more folk with the same issue in #ubuntu...
[12:24] <DaBeowulf> oh okay
[12:24] <DaBeowulf> Well I managed to sort it.
[12:30] <cody-somerville> Whats the problem?
[12:31] <DaBeowulf> Er that was an aside about an xorg.conf prob.
[12:47] <LetsGo67> For updating from Gusty to Hardy, can I do the clean-up later?
[12:58] <ere4si> what are you worried about cleaning up? - most is taken care of
[13:07] <Stroganoff> uninstall pulseaudio etc: ;)
[15:10] <nikin> hy
[15:10] <TheSheep> hello nikin
[15:10] <nikin> i am trying to rip dow my xubuntu to as small as posibble
[15:11] <nikin> now i am on 1,6 gig installed size
[15:11] <nikin> and the bigest package is the 70mb jre
[15:11] <TheSheep> xubuntu is not very good for this kind of use
[15:11] <TheSheep> try archlinux instead, or gentoo
[15:12] <nikin> i know... and a lot of other distros llike DSL and puppy also
[15:13] <nikin> but the project is to be 100% ubuntu
[15:14] <TheSheep> I think that gcj might be smaller
[15:16] <nikin> thank you
[15:16] <nikin> and other 60 MB freed :)
[15:18] <TheSheep> heh, witch archy I made a 170MB xfce desktop with Opera and a few other programs
[15:19] <TheSheep> I even used tango icons
[15:19] <nikin> :)
[15:19] <nikin> nicee
[15:19] <TheSheep> 9MB, but I had same place left
[15:19] <TheSheep> some
[15:19] <nikin> the target platform is ASUS eee 4G and 2G
[15:19] <TheSheep> eeexubuntu?
[15:20] <TheSheep> there was a project like this already
[15:20] <nikin> yes
[15:20] <nikin> but it is even hard to install it on a 4G .. no chance on a 2G
[15:20] <nikin> i have installd it
[15:21]  * TheSheep remembers a working linux system with X on 10MB
[15:21] <nikin> after upgradeed to 8.04 ... installed hardware specific stuff
[15:21] <TheSheep> with open embedded
[15:22] <nikin> yes.. but i need full functionality with lot of drivers and codecs, media players Office suite
[15:22] <TheSheep> ugh
[15:22] <TheSheep> can eee even handle playing movies?
[15:22] <nikin> yes
[15:22] <nikin> even
[15:23] <nikin> DVDs
[15:23] <TheSheep> the cpu is strng enough?
[15:23] <TheSheep> wow
[15:23] <nikin> 900Mhz
[15:23] <nikin> 512MB RAM
[15:23] <nikin> its an Intel Mobile Celeron
[15:23] <TheSheep> gentoo would sound good, with a separate build environment
[15:23] <nikin> i even use it for Gimp, Inkscpe and such stuff
[15:24] <TheSheep> stripping everything and all
[15:24] <TheSheep> I guess you could strip a lot from ubuntu, since ou are targeting a very specific hardware platform
[15:25] <TheSheep> for example, you could compile everything into kernel and don't use dynamic kerne modules
[15:26] <nikin> i have to use some modules... but i can rip a lot i think.. i need all modules for usb hardwares
[15:28] <nikin> hmm i found that i still did not change gdm to xdm
[15:30] <TheSheep> gdm got thinner lately
[15:31] <TheSheep> I wonder if stripping the initrd-building scripts would be worthwhile
[15:31] <TheSheep> with their deps
[15:31] <nikin> i thik i have busybox initrd
[15:31] <nikin> but not sure
[16:01] <Blasta> hello
[16:02] <Blasta> i just now finished using the update manager to update my 7.10 xubuntu to 8.04 and now the system hangs after login :( i enter my user and password and hit enter and the screen goes baby-blue like the background, a mousepoint is present and responsive, but nothing happens, no harddrive activity can be heard/fealt
[16:03] <Blasta> not sure where to proceed now :| download an image, burn and reinstall, or any other way to fix things?
[16:03] <Blasta> system is a IBM R31 laptop
[16:04] <TheSheep> can you switch to console with alt+ctrl+f1?
[16:04] <Blasta> system responds to pressing the powerbutton and shuts down normally
[16:04] <Blasta> waiting for it to boot up now, will try
[16:05] <Blasta> before or after trying to login ?
[16:06] <TheSheep> both should work
[16:06] <TheSheep> I suppose you will get to know more ify ou examine the system that is already 'hanging'
[16:06] <Blasta> yea
[16:07] <Blasta> nothing seems to happen with that keycombo when sitting at logon screen, and doesn't respond after it hangs
[16:07] <TheSheep> alt+ctrl+f1?
[16:07] <Blasta> yes
[16:07] <TheSheep> that's weird
[16:07] <TheSheep> it's pretty low-level
[16:07] <Blasta> rebooting again
[16:08] <Blasta> it responds almost instantly to the powerbutton tho :s
[16:08] <TheSheep> douesn' sound good :/
[16:08] <TheSheep> doesn't
[16:08] <TheSheep> you mean it poweroffs instantly?
[16:09] <Blasta> well no
[16:09] <TheSheep> r goes through the shutdown procedure?
[16:09] <Blasta> it sits for like a second, then it goes through shutdown procedure
[16:09] <TheSheep> ok
[16:09] <Blasta> so something must be working...
[16:09] <TheSheep> alt+ctrl+backspace will attempt to restart the X server
[16:09] <TheSheep> try it too
[16:10] <Blasta> the session chooser sits at "Last session" option, perhaps i should change that to failsafe terminal?
[16:11] <Blasta> trying a xfce session first...
[16:11] <Blasta> ok, now i get the splashscreen with the flashing mouse i'd chosen at 7.10
[16:11] <Blasta> and desktop
[16:12] <Blasta> and an "Internal error: failed to initialize HAL!"
[16:12] <TheSheep> :/
[16:12] <TheSheep> did the upgrade finish correctly?
[16:12] <Blasta> afaik...
[16:12] <Blasta> but i can't really know :s
[16:13] <Blasta> i was looking away for a moment and then when i looked back the system was rebooting
[16:13] <Blasta> but it was still saying about 20ish mins left for update...
[16:13] <Blasta> hm things are kinda fubar now
[16:14] <TheSheep> can you switch to text console now?
[16:14] <TheSheep> or at least get to the recovery mode?
[16:14] <Blasta> ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't appear to work
[16:14] <Blasta> but i can start a terminal
[16:15] <Blasta> update manager won't start
[16:15] <TheSheep> ok, try running 'sud apt-get dist-upgrade' in it
[16:15] <TheSheep> sudo
[16:15] <Blasta> ok
[16:15] <Blasta> e: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run "dpkg - -configure -a" to correct the problem"
[16:15] <TheSheep> ok, then run that, with sudo
[16:16] <TheSheep> you need to finish the upgrade
[16:16] <Blasta> yes
[16:17] <Blasta> but when i type sudo dpkg - -configure -a it juts says "dpkg: unknown option -o"
[16:17] <TheSheep> it's --configure
[16:17] <TheSheep> no space betwene -
[16:17] <TheSheep> between the -
[16:17] <Blasta> ah
[16:18] <Blasta> now it's doing stuff :)
[16:18] <Blasta> thanks :)
[16:18] <Blasta> much appreciated
[16:18] <TheSheep> \:)
[16:18] <Blasta> still a newbie at this stuff, but i've been very happy with xubuntu on my old laptop
[16:19] <TheSheep> good to hear that
[16:19] <TheSheep> don't hesitate to ask here, it's sometimes a bit empty
[16:20] <Blasta> only thing i've been troubled with was the clit-mouse acting up, but i got that fixed
[16:21] <Blasta> and for some reason while at college my wlan card is acting weird, while everywhere else i've been it seems to work fine
[16:21] <TheSheep> hehe, I still didn't get my mouse wheel to work horizontally, but that's more of lazyness, I know how
[16:21] <Blasta> i'm a regular at another irc network, i'm used to it not being an instant kind of thing ;)
[16:24] <Blasta> i've also read that i can get the other various keys, like volume, mute, next/back to work, but iv'e not really bothered with it
[16:24] <Blasta> the only thing i'm missing so far is the middle-mouse working like in windows, e.g. hold it down and move the mouse and you "scroll" up and down on a page
[16:25] <Blasta> but that could be an option somewhere for all i know :p
[16:25] <TheSheep> no, that's application-specific
[16:25] <TheSheep> works in firefox and evince
[16:25] <Blasta> hm it's in firefox i've been missing it :|
[16:26] <TheSheep> I think there is an addon for that
[16:26] <TheSheep> personally I use grab-and-drag
[16:27] <Blasta> hm
[16:27] <Blasta> trying that out now on this comp
[16:28] <Blasta> hm no, i'm more of a middle-mouse dragscroll kind of guy...
[16:28] <Blasta> and i dunno if that would run well on the old bucket of a laptop... seems like it's a resource heavy kind of thing :s
[16:29] <Blasta> tho it does have a middle mouse option
[16:29] <Blasta> i'll try it out, thanks for the hint :)
[16:34] <TheSheep> there are more add ons
[16:34] <TheSheep> for this
[16:42] <SideBand> Anyone awake? I've got a doosey of a problem...
[16:44] <Stroganoff> reinstall.
[16:44] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: very funny
[16:45] <TheSheep> !ask | SideBand
[16:45] <ubotu> SideBand: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[16:47] <krabador> hey people, how can i mount my partitions in desktop icons?
[16:47] <Blasta> grrr i've had to restart x now through ctrl-alt-backspace twice and then redo dpkg --configure -a
[16:47] <SideBand> Ok. After upgrading to 8.04, when I put my Atheros card in my laptop into AP mode (to provide internet for the other laptop here in the truck. Yes, I'm a truckdriver using Linux) the laptop locks up, hard, requiring me to pull the battery and the AC cord to get a reboot. This didn't happen under 7.10. Are there any known issues with the new version of the restricted-drivers package for atheros...
[16:48] <SideBand> ... or am I just up schist creek?
[16:49] <TheSheep> SideBand: none that I've heard of, but you might check the bug list, also examining your logs could be insightful
[16:51] <SideBand> There's nothing in the logs.. Just goes from the ACPI messages I get repeatedly (because it's one of the odd Toshibas) to the "booting" messages... So no joy there.
[16:52] <TheSheep> SideBand: the bug list is at http://bugs.ubuntu.com, btw
[16:52] <SideBand> The upgrade also broke a couple other things (like XASTIR) but I expected that with the libs upgrades. That was easy to fix.. just rebuilt XASTIR, but this ATH problem is going to drive me nuts until it's fixed.
[16:52] <TheSheep> SideBand: there could be aqlso someone with similar problems on the forums
[16:53] <SideBand> Ok.. I'll check that out. Thanks for the links and the pointers.
[16:54] <SideBand> Off to pound away on the old beast.
[17:02] <kinchz> Hi,all
[17:03] <kinchz> Xubuntu's so fast and I like it !
[17:58] <angela__75> hello there
[17:59] <angela__75> I'm not able to have xfce4-session run automatically after login in gdm... may you help me please?
[18:38] <RandyboY> Is there no programs working with ubuntu, bluetooth and nokia n-series (and SE K850i)? Like sync and general software wich lets you manage your phone?
[18:40] <TheSheep> RandyboY: I think there are some programs for various nokias
[18:43] <RandyboY> TheSheep, yeah, found some programs, but not working with my n-series.. Its a Nokia N82
[18:43] <TheSheep> never heard of it
[18:43] <nikin> still trying to hack down... 1,7 gigs with vlc gimp openoffice inkscape evince mplayer mencoder w32codecs
[18:43] <TheSheep> nikin: try epdfview instead of evince, might be smaller
[18:44] <RandyboY> TheSheep, its the spiderman phones (n95 with 8 gb) littlebrother
[18:44] <TheSheep> nikin: also, vlc and mplayer kind of duplicate functionality
[18:44] <TheSheep> RandyboY: are you making this up? :)
[18:44] <RandyboY> TheSheep, hehe, no :)
[18:45] <RandyboY> http://europe.nokia.com/A4646200
[18:45] <TheSheep> RandyboY: spiderman is not real and hence doesn't have a cellphone
[18:45] <RandyboY> TheSheep, there was a spiderman "version" of Nokia N95 :-)
[18:46] <TheSheep> RandyboY: I don't believe you
[18:49] <nikin> ok i r deleted mplayer and swapped evince to epdfview
[18:51] <RandyboY> TheSheep, your choice, but my point is if there are software for my phone working with bluetooth :)
[18:51] <TheSheep> RandyboY: for imaginary phone? :P
[18:51] <RandyboY> you are pulling my leg;P?
[18:52] <TheSheep> RandyboY: sorry, just teasing, I haven't heard of any, you might want to post a question on the forums
[18:52] <RandyboY> ok, i think i will
[18:53] <RandyboY> thats the one and only reason i could come up with not to completely convert to *ubuntu :)
[18:53] <TheSheep> the original software might still work on wine ;)
[18:54] <RandyboY> it does? i tried to install nokia pc suite, but the install file wouldnt even execute...
[18:55] <TheSheep> it might, doesn't mean it does
[18:55] <RandyboY> oh, i didnt see the "might" in that sentence :)
[19:22] <teohhanhui> hi, i'm trying to use the gdm face browser but my picture doesn't show up.
[19:51] <teohhanhui> hi, i'm trying to use the gdm face browser but my picture doesn't show up.
[20:06] <c0de1> hiho
[20:06] <teohhanhui> hi, i'm trying to use the gdm face browser but my picture doesn't show up.
[20:06] <Odd-rationale> c0de1: hello!
[20:06] <c0de1> anybody here who could help me with a font-problem?
[20:07] <c0de1> with some apps my fonts really look sharp and nice, some look very "anti-aliased" blurry
[20:08] <c0de1> any suggestions?
[20:09] <c0de1> my fonts looked nice in 7.10
[20:15] <teohhanhui> Does anyone have any idea how to show pictures in the gdm face browser?
[20:33] <VampBoy> question: I installed ubuntu hardy this weekend and would like to use Xubuntu instead, in all it's celtic glory. Would it be better to simply switch out the pacjages or to do a full reinstall?
[20:34] <Odd-rationale> VampBoy: both are fine
[20:34] <TheSheep> VampBoy: depends what you're aiming at
[20:34] <teohhanhui> do u need xubuntu?
[20:34] <VampBoy> well, ubuntu runs a bit slow, and I don't need all the overhead on my poor old athlon XP 1800
[20:35] <VampBoy> I run an Xubuntu box at work and love it
[20:35] <Odd-rationale> I personally prefer clean installs...
[20:35] <seancron> I recently upgraded the kernel through the update manager. However now when I startup the computer I get GRUB error 18. I have been able to find a temporary solution by using the rescue function of the LiveCd, but it's annoying to go through the process everytime. Can someone please help me?
[20:36] <teohhanhui> vampboy: as a user who has just used xubuntu for 2 days, i find it user unfriendly
[20:36] <VampBoy> ok, I will likely do that then.. I haven't really done much with the ubuntu install, but I had a GRUB issue when I installed at first
[20:36] <VampBoy> oh?
[20:36] <teohhanhui> vampboy: configuration-wise, at least
[20:36] <VampBoy> which parts do you find unfriendly, I ask because my GF uses teh machine too and is computer illiterate
[20:36] <TheSheep> seancron: this error means that the kernel file is too far on the disk for your old bios to load it
[20:37] <TheSheep> seancron: the solution for it is usually to put the /boot directory on a separate partition near the beginning of the disk
[20:37] <teohhanhui> vampboy: if u r fine with it as it is, i think it's ok, but i would like to customize it a lot. Unfotunately I'm a newbie and have to look for faqs, howtos, guides...
[20:38] <VampBoy> yeah, I don't need too much customization
[20:38] <seancron> TheSheep: do you have any suggestions for doing that without losing any of my other data?
[20:38] <VampBoy> I don't do the widget thing
[20:38] <TheSheep> teohhanhui: yes, it's assumed that customizing is doen by someone who knows what he's doing, ubuntu is better for experimenting
[20:38] <VampBoy> theSheep: what did you mean by it depends what I am aiming at?
[20:38] <teohhanhui> vampboy: up to now i have no idea how to display a picture in the login window
[20:38] <TheSheep> seancron: you can boot from livecd and use the gparted (partition editor) to move/create your partiions
[20:39] <TheSheep> seancron: a backup of the most important files is advised, however (as always)
[20:39] <teohhanhui> thesheep: ubuntu won't install on my old pc
[20:39] <TheSheep> VampBoy: for example, if you want xubuntu because it's smaller (on disk) than ubuntu, then leaving ubuntu wouldn't be good :)
[20:40] <VampBoy> Thesheep: ahh, I see. I am also worried about legacy Gnome backend stuff
[20:40] <seancron> TheSheep: Ok thank you very much.  I've tried going through the grub command line before but that didn't work.  So hopefully this will work.
[20:40] <TheSheep> teohhanhui: I can cheer you up a little and say that ubuntu uses exactly the same program for the login window
[20:41] <teohhanhui> thesheep: how do i display a pic in gdm then?
[20:41] <Odd-rationale> teohhanhui: you want to have a little avatar next to each user?
[20:41] <Odd-rationale> or change the background?
[20:41] <teohhanhui> thesheep: i've tried using gdmphotosetup
[20:41] <TheSheep> seancron: you would create a small (say, 10-20MB) /boot partition and move the old /boot in there
[20:42] <teohhanhui> odd-rationale: avatar
[20:42] <TheSheep> teohhanhui: have I knew, I would have answered when you asked for the first time
[20:42] <teohhanhui> thesheep: odd-rationale seems to know ;)
[20:42] <Odd-rationale> teohhanhui: have you gone to Apps --> Sys --> Login Window.
[20:43] <Odd-rationale> teohhanhui: and change the gdm theme to one with a face browser?
[20:43] <TheSheep> seancron: here is some more info: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-77042.html
[20:44] <seancron> TheSheep: Thanks so much, I'll give it a shot when I have the time
[20:44] <teohhanhui> odd-rationale: what about the default 1? i tried happy gnome with browser too
[20:45] <Odd-rationale> teohhanhui: I used the ubuntu one with face browser.
[20:45] <teohhanhui> odd-rationale: okay, i'll give it a try
[20:47] <teohhanhui> odd-rationale: it's just the same
[20:47] <teohhanhui> odd-rationale: the picture that i've chosen (1 of the pictures in /usr/share/pixmaps/faces won't show up)
[20:48] <Odd-rationale> teohhanhui: hold on one moment..
[20:51] <teohhanhui> odd-rationale: sure, if u need screenshots i can up them
[20:53] <Odd-rationale> teohhanhui: be hard to get screen shot of gdm...
[20:54] <Odd-rationale> I think I remember doing it in gnome. Can't seem to find it in xfce....
[20:54] <teohhanhui> odd-rationale: i mean the screenshots of my configs
[20:54] <Odd-rationale> teohhanhui: sure. let me see the local tab and the user tab...
[20:54] <teohhanhui> odd-rationale: i don't mind installing some gnome packages if necessary
[20:54] <Odd-rationale> http://imagebin.ca
[20:57] <teohhanhui> odd-rationale: nvm, i got it to work by disabling saving session
[20:57] <Odd-rationale> teohhanhui: ok
[20:57] <teohhanhui> odd-rationale: saving the session seems to revert my gdmconfig settings?
[20:57] <Odd-rationale> teohhanhui: dunno...
[20:57] <teohhanhui> odd-rationale: thx a lot..
[20:57] <Odd-rationale> teohhanhui: np
[21:11] <teohhanhui> odd-rationale: there's an image corruption when renaming a file on the desktop making it hidden
[21:12] <Odd-rationale> teohhanhui: what do you mean?
[21:12] <teohhanhui> the filename became shorter after rename, and because the file was renamed to .face it became hidden
[21:13] <teohhanhui> odd-rationale: but the display was corrupted leaving parts of the old filename behind
[21:14] <Odd-rationale> screenshot?
[21:18] <teohhanhui> odd-rationale: sorry, i've lost the chance to. fixed it by dropping another file's icon on top of it
[21:18] <arriesp> hi
[21:18] <arriesp> how can i see a printer from another pc?
[21:20] <teohhanhui> arriesp: is it a shared printer in windows?
[21:21] <PsynoKhi0> nite
[21:21] <teohhanhui> arriesp: i just found this, have a look if u wish to http://www.watchingthenet.com/connecting-to-shared-printers-on-windows-computers.html
[21:22] <arriesp> is from linux to linux..
[21:25] <teohhanhui> arriesp: hope this helps http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Linux_printer_sharing_with_CUPS
[21:26] <arriesp> thx
[21:26] <arriesp> :)
[21:26] <teohhanhui> ariesp: i'm good at searching, yay ;)
[21:27] <maxwaine> anyone using xubuntu 8.04 yet???
[21:27] <Odd-rationale> maxwaine: me!
[21:27] <TheSheep> maxwaine: yeah, since 6 months
[21:27] <maxwaine> lol
[21:27] <maxwaine> wow
[21:28] <maxwaine> i was using 7.10 and yesterday i clean installed 8.04 and now i find many features missing, is it only for me or for everyone?
[21:29] <Odd-rationale> maxwaine: like what?
[21:30] <maxwaine> like in the menu Application|Settings
[21:31] <Odd-rationale> maxwaine: try apps --> settings --> settings manager
[21:32] <maxwaine> yea i did that but settings manager doesnt have all the apps which 7.10 had, like display settings
[21:33] <maxwaine> 7.04 and 7.10 auto mounted all my etx3 partitions when i installed it first but hardy heron doesnt do that
[21:37] <maxwaine> Screens and Graphics option is missing from the menu :(
[21:39] <maxwaine> do you know why Odd-rationale?
[21:39] <Odd-rationale> sorry, no...
[21:40] <maxwaine> do u know how i can make my paritions show up in the sidepanel of the file manager?
[21:42] <Odd-rationale> Hold on. I;m in #ubuntu-classroom listen to some great stuff... :)
[21:42] <maxwaine> hehe alrighty i'll be around, please let me know when u are free
[21:45] <Sionide> Odd-rationale, listening...? or reading :p
[21:45] <maxwaine> any other xubuntu guru's in here?
[21:46] <Sionide> i'm no guru maxwaine.. my settings manager has display settings in it though *shrug*
[21:47] <maxwaine> even mine does...but cant change display driver from that menu, we can only do that with "screen and graphics" menu or app lol
[21:50] <maxwaine> "screen and graphics" also gives us the option to choose the monitor manually, thats the only way we can get all the supported resolutions
[21:50] <floating> is there a way to see how much space would installing some apps with apt-get take space ?
[21:50] <floating> prior to installing
[21:51] <Odd-rationale> floating: apt-cache show packagename
[21:53] <Odd-rationale> Sorry, it is "aptitude show packagename"
[21:54] <floating> nice, i write that down^^
[21:56] <maxwaine> By the way in 8.04 "screen and graphics" option can be found in usr/share/applications :d....its just that i dont know why its missing from the menu
[21:58] <TheSheep> it used to bei n the system menu...
[22:01] <maxwaine> u mean in the beta of 8.04??
[22:03] <maxwaine> i booted 7.10 from the cd and it looks more complete, is it advisible to go back or keep 8.04 hardy heron hmmmmm :-X
[22:25] <Stroganoff> floating: sudo apt-get -s install nameofthepackage
[22:26] <Ultraputz> is there a way to make apt-get flush everything not absolutely required to be on the drive?
[22:26] <Stroganoff> Ultraputz: apt-get -y clean
[22:26] <Stroganoff> sudo apt-get autoremove
[22:27] <Ultraputz> that did it. freed up about 600 megs.
[22:28] <Stroganoff> it removes the .debs from /var/cache/apt
[22:28] <Stroganoff> autoremove uninstalls orphan packages
[22:28] <Ultraputz> upgraded to heron, knew there'd be a lot of reside, but autoremove only coughed up 50 megs. couldn't remember the other
[22:28] <Ultraputz> thank you very much
[22:29] <Ultraputz> heron is actually faster than gutsy on this thing.
[22:29] <Stroganoff> it is generally IMHO
[22:29] <zoredache> if you feel advanced and you want to really clean things up you could also try running deborphan
[22:30] <Stroganoff> deborphan should be the same as autoremove
[22:31] <Ultraputz> openbsd is not as happy as it could be on my server machine, so i'm planning to give ubuntu server a crack at it, then i'll finalyl have a reason to actually learn my way around debian usefully.
[22:31] <zoredache> it isn't... autoremoves packages that were not installed manually...   deborphan is interactive and it will ask you what packages you want to keep and then it will find things to remove
[22:32] <zoredache> of course if you don't know what packages you actually want to keep then you could make  big mess of things
[22:34] <Ultraputz> handy to know it exists.
[22:57] <floating> wow.. qbittorrent is over 42MiB
[22:58] <floating> MB
[22:59] <floating> but looks nice
[23:28] <riddlebox> is xubuntu good for an ibm laptop, like 300mhz with 64mb ram?
[23:28] <TheSheep> riddlebox: too low ram
[23:29] <Odd-rationale> riddlebox: I'd use something eve lighter. Like Puppy or dsl
[23:29] <riddlebox> ok
[23:29] <riddlebox> thanks
[23:29] <riddlebox> I was handed this old laptop and would like to use it,even though I have three others
[23:30] <TheSheep> riddlebox: it would work fine with text-mode linux
[23:30] <riddlebox> I wonder if I can upgrade the ram, and just use it as a mythfrontend
[23:31] <riddlebox> but probably doesnt have the capacity for alot
[23:31] <riddlebox> maybe its more than 300mhz, its a pentium 2 I know that
[23:36] <liopord> hello, where can i turn to to get some support for ubuntu?
[23:36] <liopord> Xubuntu?
[23:36] <TheSheep> !xubuntu
[23:36] <zoredache> may places... you can use irc, forums, google...
[23:36] <zoredache> many*
[23:37] <TheSheep> hmm
[23:37] <TheSheep> liopord: the best way is to ask here
[23:37] <liopord> so, am I in the right place for a question?
[23:37] <liopord> ok great
[23:38] <TheSheep> ubotu is slacking away again? :)
[23:38] <zoredache> !botsnack
[23:38] <liopord> I just finished installing Hardy, but I'm having a problem with screen resolution. Even though I alreay followed the FixVideoResolutionHowto which was recommended almost everywhere.
[23:39] <liopord> Actually I believe I have my xorg file configured correctly, but I can't find the dialog (or don't know a coomand to change the current resolution)
[23:40] <TheSheep> liopord: settings->display settings
[23:40] <TheSheep> (or settings->setting manager->display)
[23:41] <Volkodav> what does xrandr say?
[23:42] <liopord> I don't know what happened here, but i don't have the 'setting' tab. only applications and 'places'. And i can't find thw settings anywhere on the system
[23:43] <TheSheep> liopord: settings submenu should be in applications
[23:43] <Volkodav> paste your xorg
[23:44] <liopord> hehe I wish it was that simple, I only have system tab under applications
[23:44] <TheSheep> Volkodav: calm down :)
[23:44] <kdat> hi all,i am wondering if that is normal i have 256mb sdram ram and 1.8Gh pentium.My proccessor with little apps is geting up to 100%.This is memory luck or processor?
[23:45] <Volkodav> huh? <liopord> Actually I believe I have my xorg file configured correctly
[23:45] <Volkodav> I might as well look at it
[23:45] <TheSheep> liopord: this is an English version?
[23:46] <TheSheep> kdat: try running the system monitor to see what is using the cpu
[23:46] <liopord> yes, one quick question. Should I be able to find the display configuration under the app finder?
[23:46] <TheSheep> liopord: no, it's a plugin to the mcs-settings-show
[23:47] <TheSheep> liopord: you can start it from terminal with xfce-setting-show display
[23:48] <liopord> ok let me try that
[23:48] <kdat> TheSheep, totem and firefox. 191 memory used of 256 and 191 of 729 swap
[23:49] <Volkodav> firefox keeps leaking
[23:49] <TheSheep> Volkodav: version 3 is much better already
[23:49] <Volkodav> yeah right
[23:49] <Volkodav> still a hog
[23:49] <TheSheep> it's far from perfect, of course
[23:50] <Volkodav> opera handles it memory much better
[23:50] <TheSheep> it has a substantial advantage, however: peiople are failiar with it from windows
[23:50] <TheSheep> people
[23:50] <TheSheep> and opera is just plain ugly ;)
[23:50] <Volkodav> oh right windoze pips
[23:51] <TheSheep> Volkodav: remember the bug #1?
[23:51] <liopord> TheSheep: thanks a lot that was it!.. I still don't understand where the 'settings' menu went :/
[23:51] <Volkodav> vaguely
[23:51] <TheSheep> liopord: if you start that xfce-settings-show without parameters, it will show you more settings
[23:51] <Volkodav> He needs to find terminal first
[23:52] <TheSheep> Volkodav: the reason d'etre of ubuntu is to cater to windows people, I'm afraid
[23:53] <liopord> TheSheep: thanks again! I'll be roaming around, bye
[23:53] <kdat> also have that problem, i from the rare people which have the luck of sound.After reboot some times i have and somes dont.I tried many times to solve that prob but i failed.Any ideas?
[23:54] <TheSheep> kdat: if your sound card doesn't have several hardware channes for mixing, then only one application can use it at a time -- the first one wins
[23:55] <TheSheep> kdat: you can set up pulseaudio or dmixer to solve that
[23:55] <TheSheep> kdat: there is a link for setting up pulseaudio on the wiki,
[23:56] <TheSheep> kdat: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio
[23:56] <kdat> TheSheep, all that time i tought that it was a *buntu bug!!!
[23:56] <Volkodav> TheSheep, where does it say about that reason that you seem to be afraid of ?
[23:58] <TheSheep> Volkodav: bugs.ubuntu.com
[23:58] <Volkodav> oh that
[23:59] <TheSheep> Volkodav: in particular, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1


[11:53] <gotwig> Hello masters :O
[11:53] <gotwig> May I talk to you :O
[11:53] <gotwig> Please push touchegg 1.1 to ubuntu 12.04 and 12.10, as touchegg 1.0 does not work, and delivers segfaults to the users.
[11:54] <gotwig> (see the user reviews)
[12:06] <gotwig> where can I report broken software packages in universe?
[14:13] <jtaylor> micahg: ping ipython backport?
[14:13] <jtaylor> has anything changed or are backports in ubuntu still impossible?
[14:15] <jtaylor> I find it weird that ubuntus rules for backporting are so much harsher than debians, given that in universe our general quality is so much worse
[14:19] <ScottK> jtaylor: Since 75% of Ubuntu packages are unmodified from Debian, how much worse can it really be?
[14:20] <ScottK> Our backports are, as a rule, safer to use than Debian's.
[14:20] <jtaylor> we miss out on many bugfixes debian gets
[14:21] <ScottK> Yes, releasing more often will cause that.
[14:21] <jtaylor> we are never able to pick all fixes that go into debian post autoimport stop
[14:21] <ScottK> So there are differences, but I don't think it's radically different.
[14:21] <jtaylor> my only grievance is the rdepends must build with backports
[14:21] <jtaylor> I see no reason why we need that
[14:22] <ScottK> So you don't break user's systems when they install backports.
[14:22] <ScottK> Sometimes people end up having to backport a set of packages together and that's fine.
[14:22] <jtaylor> nothing breaks its a build failure
[14:22] <jtaylor> at least there should be a way around it
[14:23] <jtaylor> right now it seems I must sru yade to backport ipython
[14:23] <ScottK> True.  Usually a build failure implies a runtime failure also.
[14:23] <jtaylor> not in this case
[14:23] <jtaylor> its just a stupid version check
[14:23] <ScottK> If it's tested OK at runtime, I think that's OK.
[14:24] <ScottK> Point me at the bug and I'll say so.
[14:24] <jtaylor> bug 1074765
[14:24] <jtaylor> I updated it to the new version in raring, which contains more bugfixes
[14:26]  * jtaylor just checking if install and upgrade still works, as some changes are in the packaging
[14:27] <jtaylor> is backports integrated into the autopkgtests?
[14:29] <ScottK> Dunno.
[14:29] <ScottK> Please put a comment in explaining the situation on yade.
[14:35] <debfx> ScottK: is there a process to apply for ~ubuntu-backporters? imho the biggest problem with backports in ubuntu is that the team is understaffed
[14:36] <ScottK> debfx: The process is talk to me.  Are you interested?
[14:36]  * ScottK totally agrees with your diagnosis.
[14:38] <debfx> ScottK: yes
[14:55] <ember> :q
[15:48] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/saucy-backports now exists ..
[17:02] <highvoltage> saucy.
[17:24] <coolbhavi> highvoltage, :-)
[18:24] <micahg> ScottK: re bug 1173817, since there are regressions in other social media, I'm thinking to throw it in backports
[18:27] <skellat> micahg: Yeah, that's the one thing that is lost with the new version.  It also won't matter in about a month as Identica won't be a Twitter-alike service anymore.
[18:31] <debfx> what regressions are there?
[18:32] <ScottK> What's happening to identi.ca?
[18:33] <skellat> The back-end is changing to a Node.js-based bit called pump.io some time in the next 45 days or so.  The original timetable said it should have happened by now but Evan got delayed again.  No new users are being accepted for Identica as of early April, too.
[18:39] <micahg> debfx: identi.ca and statusnet no longer supported
[18:57] <debfx> micahg: in that case I agree that it should go into backports
[19:00] <ScottK> If you agree, I'm OK with it.
[19:02] <skellat> Okay, what are the next steps I need to take?
[19:03] <skellat> (If any)
[19:03] <micahg> skellat: perform the backport testing as originally specified in the description
[19:03] <skellat> Okay
[19:04] <skellat> I'll put the paperwork back to what it was
[19:04] <skellat> So I can keep track
[19:04]  * micahg resets the tasks
[19:06] <micahg> skellat: thanks for bearing with us and providing crucial feedback
[19:06] <skellat> No problem
[19:07] <skellat> I worked with the DD about getting this taken care of during the Wheezy freeze.  We couldn't get an exception but he got it into Sid and said he'd throw it in backports post-release once it became necessary and possible to do.
[19:07] <skellat> I had forgotten about it on the Ubuntu side.
[19:59] <debfx> tumbleweed: reverse-deps is sad without saucy data on the server
[20:04] <tumbleweed> debfx: oh, sure
[20:55] <gotwig> I want to report a broken universe package
[20:55] <gotwig> where can I do that?
[20:56] <gotwig> why does no one react :(
[20:56] <gotwig> the package touchegg in version 1.0 is broken in ubuntu 12.04 and 12.10
[20:57] <gotwig> It would be nice if you could offer version 1.1 for ubuntu 12.04 and 12.10
[21:00] <gotwig> please take a look at 1174070
[21:00] <gotwig> bug #1174070


[12:34] <mei> hey. is mixing netplan and raw networkd bad?
[12:35] <mei> in systemd the order of interfaces and networks is by the starting number of the file. how that will interact with netplan things? do they get generated with some number or what? they always come before or after?
[12:35] <mei> i actually ignored the issue till this moment since it was just working but since i need to add a new interface/network now i need to understand this
[12:36] <mei> and yeah i considered to go full netplan but it seems it's lacking features that are in networkd and i need them
[12:36] <mei> i could go full networkd, but netplan is just way easier to setup a wifi
[12:59] <slyon> mei: mixing raw networkd and netplan is fine
[12:59] <slyon> Netplan generates its configuration as /run/systemd/network/10-netplan-...
[13:00] <slyon> so depending on how you name your manual configuration it will be higher or lower in priority
[13:00] <slyon> Also, you can amend specific configuration written by Netplan, by adding an override file, e.g. /etc/systemd/networkd/10-netplan-eth0.network.d/override.conf
[13:04] <mei> thanks!!!


[14:09] <balloons> every morning it seems
[17:01] <flocculant> balloons: I fail - that was supposed to be a comment in x-offtopic as they'd done the same in #x


[07:17] <dholbach> good morning
[10:10] <egelor> evenning or whatever!
[10:18] <egelor> first is great that i participate on that... as ubuntu debian user