[15:58] <tomreyn> Chanshark: try whether it works on live cd / usb
[15:58] <drmagoo> nibbler > I want to correct that now
[15:59] <Chanshark> tomreyn:  i know it does not work  because i tried to get it to work when i was duel booting with ubuntu
[16:00] <YokoBR> nibbler, one does not simply paste's his output since his screen is black.
[16:00] <nibbler> drmagoo: if you have multiple partitions, given that / usually is just a few GB in size, it should be quiet easy to accomplish, i can give you a rough walk throu if you want... but it will require some knowledge on linux on your side
[16:01] <nibbler> YokoBR: it turned black while/right after the dpkg-reconfigure?
[16:01] <YokoBR> nibbler, nope, after reboot
[16:01] <drmagoo> nibbler > I like to think that I have that ;) so please go ahead... you can privmsg if you like
[16:01] <YokoBR> nibbler, dpkg-reconfigure went right, no error messages
[16:02] <tomreyn> Chanshark: then try to get help here on making the wireless work, and then go for dual-boot again, i'd say. see you later, i need to leave.
[16:02] <YokoBR> nibbler, i'll get into recovery mode and do an "aticonfig --f --initial
[16:02] <benoit__>  /msg nickserv identify LtWnHnNt
[16:03] <benoit__> erf
[16:03] <Chanshark> well what i have been told is to get a different wireless adapter
[16:04] <nibbler> drmagoo: 1. MAKE BACKUPS!!11!... then... boot from usb stick/cd, so you can wreck your partition. decrypt/mount your partitions somewhere under /mnt. use df -h to find some space to dump the files of /. so go cp -ax /mnt/rootfs /mnt/spare-or-partially-empty-partition. by now you have a backup, so you reconfigure your / to be encrypted (umount, cryptsetup, mkfs, mount) make sure to have a small partition in cleartext for /boot. then
[16:04] <nibbler> copy back the files, cp -ax /mnt/backupfoo/rootfs/ /mnt/cryptedroot. move the files from /boot to the new partition you use for that. make some entries to /etc/crypttab and run initramfs-update -u -k all to regenerate the initramfs to include decryption support.
[16:05] <nibbler> YokoBR: also investigate on /var/log/Xorg.*.log
[16:05] <drmagoo> nibbler > I dont have to worry about the "other" encrypted partitions then ? With keys and such ?
[16:06] <Eagleman> When will libvirt 1.0.1 be in the repository's and how can i use it now?
[16:07] <nibbler> drmagoo: well.... i hope you have your keys for those? using LUKS? just add another key, generated from head -c32 /dev/random > /etc/keyfile - and have them mounted by key-file during boot automatically (depends on /etc/crypttab config) - oh, and /etc/fstab needs adjustment, for the root device, as its name might change in the restructuring
[16:07] <System> Hey all
[16:09] <drmagoo> nibbler > Ok... sounds to easy... But I dont have to much important data yet... so I will give it a try... Thanks =)
[16:10] <nibbler> drmagoo: good luck ;-)
[16:10] <drmagoo> nibbler > thank you =)
[16:10] <|System|> :D
[16:10] <|System|> Hey whats up  ?
[16:10] <nibbler> drmagoo: once you are booted from usb, and want to run tools like update-initramfs, grub-install etc, its helpful to use chroot to make the mountpoint your virtual /
[16:11] <Eagleman> When will libvirt 1.0.1 be in the repository's and how can i use it now?
[16:13] <tgm4883> Eagleman, libvirt 1.0.2 is already in the repositories, you just have to use raring
[16:14] <drmagoo> nibbler > =) Will keep that in mind
[16:14] <Delux> when I try to load Ubuntu Server on a new multiple drive system it keeps trying to load the GRUB loader on sda. It is better to just load the OS on sda to avoid problems or can I point it to another drive or even a USB flash drive?
[16:15] <tgm4883> Delux, sda is probably where grub should go
[16:16] <Delux> so running Ubuntu from a flash drive not advisable?
[16:17] <tgm4883> Delux, I think you're confusing what the purpose of the grub boot loader is
[16:17] <tgm4883> Delux, when your computer boots, it looks for a boot loader on the first drive (SDA)
[16:17] <tgm4883> Delux, so if you want to boot Ubuntu on your flash drive, the bootloader on your computer will need to know about it somehow
[16:18] <ImTheDude> hello
[16:18] <tgm4883> Delux, since AFAIK, the windows boot loader doesn't do Linux, you'll need to install Grub as your boot loader
[16:18] <allu2> Hello, i have trouble getting unity work properly, on login the unity panel and the unity launcher wont show up, compiz is running and auto start programs start as should, i've tried resetting unity by using rm on config dirs and with unity-reset from ppa, no help. i have Radeon 7750 and fglrx-updates as drivers, Ubuntu 12.10. Unity however works perfectly when i start it manually after the desktop is loaded and it should've start already.
[16:18] <tgm4883> Delux, now, you could install Grub to your flash drive, but then you'll need a way to tell your computer to use it
[16:19] <ImTheDude> hello
[16:19] <Eagleman> When will libvirt 1.0.1 be in the repository's and how can i use it now?
[16:22] <llutz> Eagleman: [17:13:24] <tgm4883> Eagleman, libvirt 1.0.2 is already in the repositories, you just have to use raring
[16:22] <llutz> !ringtail | Eagleman
[16:23] <Noorideen> hello
[16:23] <Noorideen> i need some help how to boot mint from usb
[16:23] <DJones> !mint | Noorideen
[16:23] <Eagleman> llutz, 13.04 isnt released yet?
[16:23] <Noorideen> ty
[16:24] <tgm4883> Eagleman, no
[16:24] <llutz> Eagleman: well we have 13.02, so NO
[16:24] <tgm4883> Eagleman, hence the whole 13 being 2013, and 04 being April (4th month)
[16:24] <Eagleman> SO how can i get this libvirt package?
[16:24] <tgm4883> Eagleman, on what?
[16:24] <silentcoder> sup guys
[16:24] <silentcoder> i fucked up my partition
[16:24] <tgm4883> !ohmy | silentcoder
[16:24] <silentcoder> how can i access my windows boot files?
[16:25] <tgm4883> !windows | silentcoder
[16:25] <Eagleman> tgm4883 12.04 LTS
[16:25] <tonik> is there such a thing as Ubuntu Chinese Edition?
[16:26] <tgm4883> Eagleman, looks like you'll have to backport it yourself, the ubuntu-virt team appears to only have packages for 0.9.2 for 12.04
[16:26] <R0ma1n> tgm4883, those shortcuts via ubottu are so helpful eh ? ;p
[16:26] <tgm4883> R0ma1n, yes they are :)
[16:26] <qw> help my please upgrade system know i am use kubuntu 10.04 LTS
[16:27] <DJones> !upgrade | qw
[16:27] <qw> upgrade about konsole
[16:27] <tgm4883> R0ma1n, now we just need ubottu to parse what is being said and respond accordingly
[16:27] <Eagleman> llutz, i dont quite understand, you were saying the libvirt version i want is in 13.04, However i want to use it now
[16:28] <Skyrid3r> Okidoki, I'm back.
[16:28] <tgm4883> Eagleman, so you need to backport it then
[16:28] <Eagleman> tgm4883, how do i backport something?
[16:28] <Skyrid3r> If I'd like to Install Ubuntu, as a dual-boot, with the selection of W7 / Ubuntu.
[16:28] <tgm4883> !backport | Eagleman
[16:28] <Skyrid3r> Where does 1 start.
[16:28] <tgm4883> hmm
[16:28] <Ben64> Skyrid3r: install windows, then install ubuntu
[16:29] <tgm4883> Eagleman, you'll need to grab the packaging, see if it builds on 12.04, and then use those packages
[16:29] <wiggmpk> or just dont install windows
[16:30] <teleyinex> Hi everyone
[16:30] <Skyrid3r> Windows is already installed :p
[16:30] <teleyinex> I'm going to install Ubuntu to my mac
[16:30] <Skyrid3r> Now It's ubuntu.
[16:30] <teleyinex> and I'm hesitating: 32 or 64 bits?
[16:30] <teleyinex> what do you recommend?
[16:31] <Ben64> if it supports 64, 64
[16:31] <Skyrid3r> I however, have a few issues installing Ubuntu.. It only detects my entire HDD, rather than partition.
[16:31] <teleyinex> Ben64, it supports 64
[16:31] <teleyinex> :-)
[16:31] <Skyrid3r> My system supports 64 but I use 32B (Windows)... :p
[16:31] <Skyrid3r> I dislike software/driver issues with 64b.
[16:31] <teleyinex> but I was thinking about mplayer and flash
[16:31] <teleyinex> Skyrid3r, that's my question
[16:31] <teleyinex> nvidia drivers
[16:31] <wiggmpk> teleyinex: how much ram do you have?
[16:31] <Guest11358> I have two books, one is called Practical UNIX & internet security (third edition ), and the other is the o'reilly Linux in a nutshell (4th edition), could anyone tell me if they're still of any relevance, or if such systems have moved on to make all the technologies in the book obsolete, as they're relatively old books
[16:31] <tgm4883> Skyrid3r, 64-bit driver issues?
[16:31] <teleyinex> 4GB
[16:31] <Ben64> everything works fine on 64
[16:31] <tgm4883> Skyrid3r, those still exist?
[16:32] <Skyrid3r> Beats me, but using 64B also gives me blue screens.
[16:32] <teleyinex> well, I think I'm going to try 64
[16:32] <Skyrid3r> Haven't figured out what is causing it yet, but I'm good with 32b.
[16:32] <Ben64> we're talking about ubuntu 64 bit
[16:32] <wiggmpk> teleyinex: i would use 64B, if you ever go over 4GB of RAM you'll need 64bit
[16:32] <teleyinex> use it a while and if I feel something strange go back to 32 :-)
[16:32] <teleyinex> I know
[16:32] <teleyinex> but that'll not be a problem
[16:32] <teleyinex> hehe
[16:32] <Ben64> Skyrid3r: pastebin "sudo fdisk -l"
[16:32] <teleyinex> I'm going to use my laptop for developing basically
[16:33] <teleyinex> so not a big deal
[16:33] <teleyinex> :D
[16:33] <Skyrid3r> You want me to use a sudo command on a windows system?..
[16:33] <Skyrid3r> heh.
[16:33] <Ben64> ubuntu live cd...
[16:33] <Skyrid3r> Ah
[16:33] <Skyrid3r> That makes more sense.
[16:33] <Ben64> same cd you would use to install :)
[16:33] <wolftune> anybody can help? I got advice already about how to do reverse vnc with tunneling to do screen-share over the internet, but I have questions about a couple details
[16:34] <teleyinex> and 13.04 or 12.10
[16:34] <teleyinex> how stable are they?
[16:34] <teleyinex> I mean, how stable is right now 13.04
[16:34] <teleyinex> I know is not even in alpha
[16:34] <Skyrid3r> Oddly enough though.. when I cancel the installation it goes to the live version of ubuntu.
[16:34] <Ben64> teleyinex: you just answered your own question
[16:34] <Skyrid3r> All the partitions it sees there (left menu), won't open.
[16:34] <wiggmpk> teleyinex: the word alpha should imply instability
[16:34] <DJones> teleyinex: You're better asking that in #ubuntu+1 which is the support channel for unreleased versions
[16:34] <teleyinex> well, I use Aurora everyday without problems :-)
[16:34] <teleyinex> ok
[16:35] <teleyinex> jumping to ubutuntu+1
[16:35] <teleyinex> thanks for the great support guys!
[16:35] <teleyinex> amazing community
[16:35] <Skyrid3r> I mean, it is possible to install Ubuntu on a partition, right? with other partitions being fat/ntfs.
[16:35] <teleyinex> indeed
[16:35] <Skyrid3r> Not much of a linux user.
[16:36] <Skyrid3r> Now to set a partition to ext4.
[16:37] <Espen___> hey, i have a problem installing properitary drivers on ubuntu 12.10, it's stuck at "waiting for required medium, applying changes"
[16:37] <Espen___> at both fglrx-updates, and fglrx
[16:38] <mikehaas763_> How would I install a package on 12.10 from the newer beta version of ubuntu?
[16:39] <sergiudd> mikehaas763_ double-click, next,next, install
[16:40] <sergiudd> :)
[16:40] <Eagleman> tgm4883, i did set it up however: E: Release 'precise-backports' for 'libvirt-bin' was not found
[16:40] <tgm4883> Eagleman, you missed what I said after that
[16:40] <tgm4883> Eagleman, you'll need to grab the packaging, see if it builds on 12.04, and then use those packages
[16:40] <tgm4883> Eagleman, there isn't a package for it yet
[16:41] <sergiudd> how can i know, what index market i can get on ubuntu with my hardware..
[16:41] <sergiudd> for proccesor
[16:41] <sergiudd> oh
[16:41] <sergiudd> thanks
[16:41] <Eagleman> So i am unable to install it now ?
[16:41] <mikehaas763_> Has anyone install packages from upstream using apt-get ?
[16:41] <tgm4883> Eagleman, yes, you are unable to install something that doesn't exist
[16:42] <tgm4883> Eagleman, you could try to force the package that is from 13.04, but I wouldn't recommend that
[16:42] <Eagleman> SO what else could i do to install it and being sure it will work?
[16:42] <tgm4883> Eagleman, you could
[16:43] <tgm4883> Eagleman, you'll need to grab the packaging, see if it builds on 12.04, and then use those packages
[16:43] <tgm4883> Eagleman, or you could install from source
[16:43] <Eagleman> I dont understand: you'll need to grab the packaging, see if it builds on 12.04, and then use those packages
[16:44] <smarat> hi...
[16:45] <codephobic> Anyone else here using gedit 3.6.1 in ubuntu 12.10?
[16:45] <smarat> i need help..
[16:46] <puxel> ^same. so overwhelmed.
[16:46] <DJones> !ask | smarat
[16:46] <codephobic> If you have the intelligent text completion plugin installed, could you check if you can repeat my "bug": open a css file, then save it and then add a rule P, then press { to get the bracket completion. Then within the {} braces, press the TAB button. If all goes ... 'well', it should crash.
[16:47] <Scientist_> Greetings. My ubuntu 12.04  does not start, When I enter my password, it looks like it will start, but back to the login screen, always as an endless loop. Can anybody give instructions to fix  it from live cd?
[16:48] <EspenE> How can i fix this? Ubuntu Software Center is stuck, when i wish to update my drivers. http://i.imgur.com/tGuVB5e.jpg
[16:49] <eN_Joy> so i can't install eaccelerator via apt-get on ubuntu 12.10?
[16:49] <iceroot> is there a way to tell nautilus on a samba-share i see in the left site to use specific credentials? at the moment its always using guest. would be great if i click on a cifs share that is is asking for a user and to store that choise
[16:49] <tgm4883> Eagleman, Are you familiar with packaging or building from source at all?
[16:50] <dfgh> tcrouto: I think I found the answer. Vim probably deletes and recreates the file (instead of writing to it), which is actually has permission to do as the directory's owner. That's why the ownership changes as well
[16:50] <wiggmpk> iceroot: no, you have to use the connect to function
[16:50] <nawaf> cannot login into 12.10 desktop, once if password is entered wrongly. how can i correct this
[16:50] <Scientist_> Greetings. My ubuntu 12.04  does not start, When I enter my password, it looks like it will start, but back to the login screen, always as an endless loop. Can anybody give instructions to fix  it from live cd?
[16:50] <tcrouto> dfgh: ah, that makes sense. glad you figured it out
[16:51] <wiggmpk> iceroot: but once the share is mounted with the credentials you want to use, your golden
[16:52] <iceroot> wiggmpk: ok, thank you
[16:53] <puxel> no sound is playing. it is muted, but i can't change the settings to use my motherboard's sound instead of my radeon HD card.
[16:54] <iceroot> when i use the default encryption for /home and the userpassword is "foobar" is that the passphrase for the encryption? or is there a special passphrase/key which is locked with the userpassword "foobar"?
[16:54] <Eagleman> tgm4883, not at all
[16:55] <smarat> via linux how i acess ntfs system drive in my pc.....
[16:55] <iceroot> smarat: mount it with ntfs-3g
[16:55] <iceroot> !ntfs | smarat
[16:56] <iceroot> !ntfs-3g | smarat
[16:56] <EspenE> What is the repository, for the latest and greatest open-source drivers?
[16:57] <Eagleman> tgm4883, i guess its not smart to build something from the ground when you have no experience with it. WHat would you suggest to do?
[16:57] <albivian> hi all
[16:57] <Eagleman> I do want to get some experience in it
[16:57] <albivian> my ibm t40 won't connect to internet via eth0
[16:57] <albivian> I get State: unmanaged
[16:57] <albivian> what should I do?
[16:57] <smarat> thanks.
[16:58] <albivian> anyone?
[16:58] <nibbler> albivian: have a look to /etc/network/interfaces or such
[16:59] <albivian> auto eth0
[16:59] <tgm4883> Eagleman, why do you need 1.0.1?
[16:59] <nawaf> once wrong password entered in gnome-login, even if correct answer is enterd second time
[16:59] <albivian> ifeth- inet dhcp
[16:59] <albivian> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[16:59] <albivian> auto lo
[16:59] <Eagleman> tgm4883, for external snapshotting
[16:59] <nibbler> albivian: so its set to get an ip via dhcp automatically
[17:00] <jhutchins_wk> albivian: unmanaged means it's configured in interfaces and not manaaged by network-manager.
[17:00] <nibbler> albivian: touse network manager, remove/comment all lines mentioning eth0 (and corresponding blocks)
[17:01] <Scientist_> Can anybody see my problem, please?
[17:01] <Scientist_>  My ubuntu 12.04  does not start, When I enter my password, it looks like it will start, but back to the login screen, always as an endless loop. Can anybody give instructions to fix  it from live cd?
[17:01] <jhutchins_wk> albivian: Perhaps you need auto eth0
[17:01] <Nida> #pa2010
[17:01] <tgm4883> Eagleman, so you have a few options. 1) build it yourself. This is probably not trivial (otherwise it would probably be on the ubuntu-virt PPA already) 2) Ask for it to be backported. (While there may already be someone working on it, it never hurts to let people know that it's actually wanted)
[17:02] <tgm4883> Eagleman, you could ask in #ubuntu-server if there is work being done on that
[17:02] <tgm4883> !patience | Scientist_
[17:02] <jhutchins_wk> Scientist_: It sounds like you have a permissions problem with your home folder.
[17:03] <tgm4883> jhutchins_wk, or X is crashing
[17:04] <jhutchins_wk> Scientist_: There is a log at /var/log/Xorg.0.log.  It has lots of noise, but it might have something useful at the end.
[17:04] <Scientist_> jhutchins_wk, That this preventing me from accessing my system?
[17:05] <jhutchins_wk> Scientist_: Just log in to the console - Ctrl-Alt-F1
[17:06] <smarat> i run linux via oracel virtual machine software...modem is supported but pendrive dosenot support..how this can fixed???
[17:06] <nibbler> Scientist_: errors are prefixed with EE, WW is for warning - look for those lines in the Xorg.0.log
[17:06] <Scientist_> jhutchins_wk, the command to access is startx like bactrack?
[17:07] <nibbler> Scientist_: only thing that comes to my mind would be no write permission on your home folder.
[17:07] <jhutchins_wk> Scientist_: That may work, but it's more likely to fail anyway.  Might give you useful error messages.
[17:08] <wiggmpk> smarat: by pendrive do you mean USB flash drive? and Oracle VM I assume your talking about Virtualbox?
[17:08] <jhutchins_wk> Scientist_: If the GUI isn't working, unlike in Windows you still have full access to the system via console.
[17:08] <tnelis> Hello, I'm trying to get my wireless adapter to function properly (the driver which comes with ubuntu 12.10 keeps dropping wireless connection), and have opted to build the source from Realtek's site. The device is the pcusbw1150, chipset RTL8188CUS. I have build-essential, linux-headers, and linux-source installed. I have pastebinned the output from the install script. Any help is appreciated. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1658803/
[17:11] <jhutchins_wk> !kernels
[17:11] <blno> I'd like to install Steam now that it's in the software centre, but the button asks me to pay instead of showing "install". http://i.imgur.com/4ZUjL0m.png . Anyone know how to fix that?
[17:11] <Steve_0> Hi! So I hope I'm not common in asking this, but is the performance hit while using the wubi-installation normal?
[17:12] <wiggmpk> blno: its priced at $0.00 so buy it
[17:12] <tnelis> blno, you should be able to download a .deb from steampowered.com which should work
[17:12] <blno> I don't have an account
[17:12] <wiggmpk> blno: make one?
[17:12] <smarat> wiggmpk: yes, i talk about virtualbox..
[17:12] <blno> I don't want to make one just to download a free software
[17:12] <blno> that sucks
[17:12] <jrib> blno: it should say "buy" and it's free.  It just associates it with your ubuntu one account (create one for free)
[17:12] <tgm4883> blno, download the deb then from the steam website
[17:12] <Steve_0> Read/write is slower than anything I've experienced before, and every program keeps getting greyed-out all the time.
[17:12] <blno> is that normal?
[17:13] <jrib> blno: is what normal?
[17:13] <wiggmpk> blno: then install it the hard way.. god forbid you buy anything from the software center in the future and be faced with the same problem
[17:13] <tgm4883> blno, is what normal?
[17:13] <wiggmpk> smarat: did you install the Extension Pack for VirtualBox? its required for USB support
[17:13] <blno> is it normal that we need a Ubuntu One account to install Steam?
[17:13] <blno> I thought it was a bug
[17:13] <tgm4883> blno, you don't need a ubuntu one account to install steam
[17:13] <jhutchins_wk> tnelis: I don't see the error in your post.  This might help:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[17:14] <Skyrid3r> Meh....
[17:14] <blno> tgm4883: well, apparently I do
[17:14] <Skyrid3r> Installing Ubuntu, it can only find a 750GB HDD...
[17:14] <Skyrid3r> No partitions.
[17:14] <smarat> wiggmpk: yes,but usb does not supported...
[17:14] <jrib> blno: it's just how they've chosen to publish the software.  It's a bit strange that they don't just put steam in canonical's partner repository, but maybe they have their reasons
[17:14] <Skyrid3r> Well that sucks.
[17:14] <tgm4883> blno, actually, no you dont  http://store.steampowered.com/about/
[17:14] <wiggmpk> smarat: are you sure it's mounted?
[17:14] <tgm4883> jrib, blno granted, it just says install on mine, but IDK if that is because I've installed the steam deb on here previously
[17:14] <smarat> wiggmpk;yes
[17:14] <blno> yes, but if I install it with the deb, I won't get automatic updates
[17:14] <tnelis> jhutchins_wk, sorry for the confusion. I'm compiling wireless adapter drivers, not the kernel itself
[17:15] <jrib> blno: valve also has a repository
[17:15] <Steve_0> blno: yes you will. steam updates itself.
[17:15] <jhutchins_wk> tnelis: That's the best I've got at the moment.
[17:15] <wiggmpk> smarat: i mean, you have to unmount it from the HOST to be able to mount it in the GUEST OS
[17:15] <tgm4883> blno, you won't get packaging updates, the steam client checks for updates itself
[17:15] <blno> Steve_0: oh, ok. That's not really good way to do it, but well. It's really Windowsish.
[17:15] <tgm4883> blno, how so?
[17:15] <Skyrid3r> I appreciate some help.
[17:15] <silverone> Dear kind sirs: stupid question, i have a raspberry pi running openvpn & murmur (mumble server) , if these processes happen to crash do they restart automaticly or should i look into that
[17:15] <jhutchins_wk> tnelis: That kernel looks rather old.
[17:16] <smarat> wiggmpk:ok,i will try it.
[17:16] <tgm4883> blno, I fail to see how something could be windowish, when windows didn't even have a software store until the latest release
[17:16] <jhutchins_wk> silverone: They most likely need to be restarted manually, but they can be set to start at boot.
[17:17] <silverone> jhutchins_wk: they are. thank you i'll look into it :)
[17:17] <tgm4883> It's getting a bit tiring when "windows" has just become a synonym for "I don't like how something works"
[17:17] <blno> in Linux, you normally get updates made by the system, which finds them in repos. Having each software update himself (downloading the update and installing it itself) is really unelegant. That's one of the good things of Linux compared to Windows.
[17:17] <Steve_0> Is there anyway to increase performance with a Wubi-installation?   Is there a reason you don't just install ubuntu on its own partition?
[17:18] <wiggmpk> blno: what sucks?
[17:18] <tgm4883> Scientist_, did you look at the logs?
[17:18] <h00k> blno: please keep the language appropriate
[17:18] <blno> wiggmpk: that you need an account to access the repo
[17:18] <jrib> blno: valve publishes its own repository too...
[17:19] <tnelis> jhutchins_wk, the kernel I'm running is 3.5.0-23. The source is unfortunately only compatible with 3.0.x or 2.6.x, however some people have been able to get it to compile on 3.5. I'm just not lucky, I suppose :)
[17:19] <wiggmpk> blno: you dont need an account to access the repo.. you need an account to install Steam..IF you want to use the software center.. you still have the choice dude
[17:19] <blno> jrib: it isn't in the repo of the software centre?
[17:19] <tgm4883> blno, some repositories require accounts
[17:19] <Steve_0> jrib: I've read about the 64-bit version being even slower than the 32-bit, might that have something to do with it? And yes, currently just checking out how steam looks on linux, Windows is already taking up the rest of my HDD's.
[17:19] <Scientist_> what is the exactely path. Exist many of xorg path in yhr file system.
[17:19] <wiggmpk> blno: to go Steam's website.. download and install the .deb and it will automatically add the repository.. the Software Center is for ease-of-use, get over it
[17:19] <jrib> blno: they are different things.  Valve published its own repository with the beta.  Now they've also published steam to software-center in a private repository (so you need an ubuntu one account for this one)
[17:20] <jrib> Steve_0: I don't know much about wubi
[17:20] <blno> oh well, got it.  Thanks all.
[17:20]  * tgm4883 rolls eyes
[17:20] <Scientist_> tgm4883, what is the exactely path. Exist many of xorg path in file system.
[17:20] <wiggmpk> smarat: you see where I was referring to? when you have the VM loaded.. click Devices > USB > and it should be listed there
[17:21] <tgm4883> Scientist_, <jhutchins_wk> Scientist_: There is a log at /var/log/Xorg.0.log.  It has lots of noise, but it might have something useful at the end.
[17:21] <jrib> Steve_0: check your pm
[17:21] <tgm4883> "i'm going to install a completely different distro because I don't like having to either A) have an U1 account or B) add another repo"
[17:21] <tgm4883> lol
[17:22] <wiggmpk> lol
[17:22] <wiggmpk> instead of being thankful that its available on linux....
[17:22] <tgm4883> too bad he left so early.... and that I've signed the CoC
[17:26] <Scientist_> tgm4883, I did not fin anything. Can you see my log? Hoe can I send this?
[17:26] <tgm4883> !pastebin | Scientist_
[17:27] <smarat> what is the terminal command to know my ip & lan connected ip address in linux?
[17:27] <tgm4883> smarat, 'ip'
[17:27] <smarat> ip address
[17:27] <tgm4883> smarat, 'ip addr'
[17:29] <Scientist_> tgm4883, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1658943/
[17:29] <Jayneil> I have Windows installed on one partition and I want to install  Ubuntu 12.04 and 12.10 on the other partition.. Kinda like a triple boot.. So how to proceed ahead..? Which would be the best way.? I read articles where people recommend chain loading.. etc.. So not sure..
[17:29] <|System|> Noob-ish question. I forgot, Do the Ubuntu team release a new version every 3 months or 6 ?
[17:29] <jrib> |System|: 6
[17:29] <tgm4883> Scientist_, [   328.330] (EE) Failed to load module "ati" (module does not exist, 0)
[17:29] <|System|> Thanks jrib
[17:30] <blno> ok, I found a solution for installing Steam from the repo without the software centre account thing. The repo is there http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/steam#
[17:31] <Scientist_> tgm4883, Can be resolved?
[17:32]  * tgm4883 sighs
[17:32] <tgm4883> so blno's fix was to install the repo from steam. Good find, I wonder why we didn't think of that
[17:33]  * tgm4883 smacks head
[17:33] <Skyrid3r> I'm currently using Ubuntu live.
[17:33] <Skyrid3r> Yet the installation shows only the entire HDD.
[17:33] <Skyrid3r> First, how do I get to use fdisk.
[17:33] <Skyrid3r> I don't see any terminal.
[17:35] <Kroach> I want to convert my music collection to OGG, what app/solution do you recommend for that?
[17:35] <wiggmpk> Kroach: audacity could do that
[17:36] <devdyd> is it normal for iptables -L to take a while to return? I only have 2 allow and 1 drop hmmm
[17:36] <ikonia> devdyd: are they doing a dns lookup ?
[17:36] <Kroach> wiggmpk:will it be able to preserve the quality at about the same level as the source files?
[17:37] <devdyd> ikonia: nope, just a couple of commands like so sudo iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -s <IP_ADDRESS>/24 -j ACCEPT
[17:37] <wiggmpk> Kroach: I dont see why not
[17:37] <Scientist_> tgm4883, how fix a problem in ATI module from live cd? Could you give me some instructions?
[17:38] <Kroach> wiggmpk: I mean, I tried an app called OGG Convert but it only allows to set one "Quality level" for the whole process and low-quality mp3s end up being oversized OGGs
[17:38] <tgm4883> Scientist_, I'm assuming this has worked at some point?
[17:38] <ikonia> devdyd: so no dns names in there ?
[17:38] <wiggmpk> Kroach: well there in lies the problem.. the higher the quality the bigger the file
[17:38] <GermainZ> Is there a recommended place to install 3rd party packages? I currently use /opt/
[17:38] <devdyd> ikonia: although the one I made for the local subnet says localnet/28 (I entered the IP, it was translated to that then I view thru iptables -L)
[17:39] <devdyd> ikonia: to answer your question though, no dns names
[17:39] <Skyrid3r> okidoki
[17:39] <Skyrid3r> I'm lost...
[17:39] <Skyrid3r> Ubuntu is very confusing for new users..
[17:39] <jrib> GermainZ: /opt and /usr/local are common.  I use /usr/local if the package is "unixy" and /opt if it's just one monolithic thing
[17:39] <GermainZ> Thank you jrib
[17:39] <wiggmpk> Kroach: im assuming your converting from mp3?
[17:40] <ikonia> devdyd: things like ip->hostname translation can slow iptables down, I see it often with my fail2ban hostlist
[17:40] <Kroach> wiggmpk: yes
[17:40] <wiggmpk> Kroach: any particular reason why? mp3 and ogg are both lossy formats
[17:40] <ikonia> devdyd: slow listing not overall performance
[17:40] <zykotick9> Kroach: going from mp3->ogg is a BAD idea.  you'll loose quality.
[17:40] <devdyd> ikonia: I understand that and will typically minimize the use of hostnames on things that will require a lot of lookups. No hostnames here though :/
[17:41] <devdyd> ikonia: no sense in adding 15-45ms dns lookup time
[17:41] <ikonia> devdyd: any subnect rules, eg: /24
[17:41] <devdyd> I wish that was the problem
[17:41] <Kroach> wiggmpk: zykotick9: could you recommend a better option then? the only requirement is for it to be a free format
[17:41] <devdyd> ikonia: yes, they are all submetted via cidr notation
[17:41] <zykotick9> Kroach: if "free" is your required.  go ahead.
[17:41] <ikonia> devdyd: I think we have a winer....
[17:41] <ikonia> winner even
[17:41] <devdyd> just like the example I sent above.. could that be it?
[17:42] <devdyd> ikonia: should I provide a full netmask instead of cidr?
[17:42] <ikonia> devdyd: the translation of /24 to <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS> etc
[17:42] <wiggmpk> Kroach: why is that?
[17:42] <ikonia> devdyd: translatin is normally the thing that slows iptables -L down
[17:42] <randomfun> great to be part of it
[17:42] <devdyd> ikonia: ok I will flush and rewrite them using the full netmask
[17:42] <zykotick9> Kroach: i use ogg for everything myself, but i created them from CD sources as OGG files.
[17:42] <devdyd> ikonia: thank you
[17:42] <ikonia> devdyd: as a test, just comment out that rules
[17:42] <ikonia> devdyd: reload, and then list
[17:43] <Noorideen> hello
[17:43] <ikonia> before you put work in
[17:43] <randomfun> any new gui in ubu
[17:43] <Noorideen> i need help with installing mint
[17:43] <ikonia> randomfun: no
[17:43] <ikonia> !mint | Noorideen
[17:43] <randomfun> apt-get install <souce>
[17:43] <Noorideen> no one is answering me there :P
[17:43] <Noorideen> lol
[17:43] <ikonia> Noorideen: sorry, we don't support it here
[17:43] <Gawerty100> k, so, I need some help, anybody free?
[17:43] <Noorideen> ok :(
[17:44] <ikonia> Gawerty100: depends, you need to ask a question to see if anyone knows
[17:44] <randomfun> ЗЖЖ
[17:44] <Gawerty100> It involves the package for WINE known as mfc42, I get tons of errors when trying to install it, I cant install it due to HTTP errors or something or the other, Im completely new to linux.
[17:45] <Kroach> wiggmpk: I want to use as little proprietary software and codecs as possible, if I'd be able to convert my music to OGG I wouln't require the patented MP3 codec anymore
[17:45] <ikonia> Gawerty100: best to pastebin the error
[17:45] <Gawerty100> I will shortly then.
[17:45] <Gawerty100> give me a couple of minutes, to finish booting into linux.
[17:45] <tgm4883> Skyrid3r, you could use a more user friendly distro such as gentoo or arch
[17:45] <ikonia> tgm4883: please stop
[17:46] <randomfun> linux booting in min, funny, it has be sec guys
[17:46]  * tgm4883 stops
[17:46] <randomfun> gawerty1000
[17:46] <randomfun> do you read me
[17:46] <ikonia> tgm4883: thank you, you know where you are, #ubuntu, please apply common sense and no jokes/trolls to people
[17:46] <wiggmpk> Kroach: I see, well then zykotick9 said it best, if you have the source available to encode them as OGG, thats your best option.. but converting from lossy to lossy is pointless
[17:46] <randomfun> ogg, omg
[17:46] <Gawerty100> Well, I uninstalled Ubuntu ages ago cause of this error, didnt realise there was a irc chat help for this sort of thing.
[17:47] <Gawerty100> so im reinstalling as we speak.
[17:47] <Kroach> wiggmpk: ok,thanks
[17:47] <randomfun> quit()
[17:47] <ikonia> randomfun: can you please stop messing around.
[17:47] <luigi_> chi mi dice come attivare la video chiamata su facebook
[17:48] <Gawerty100> although I do experience the same error on other Linux Distros.
[17:48] <DJones> !it | luigi_
[17:49] <wiggmpk> Gawerty100: mfc42 is part of the microsoft foundation class libraries.. distributed with visual studio I believe
[17:49] <devdyd> ikonia: can you tell me how to enter a netmask? I'm using sudo iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -s <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> -j ACCEPT but it is saying the netmask is a bad argument.
[17:49] <Gawerty100> wiggmpk: I get errors when trying to install anything in the winetricks area, its all http errors
[17:49] <ikonia> devdyd: I normally actually use /24 etc
[17:49] <ikonia> Gawerty100: the http errors will be from the repo you are getting it from
[17:50] <wiggmpk> Gawerty100: copy and paste the erros in pastebin
[17:50] <devdyd> ikonia:  you just told me that is what is slowing me down
[17:50] <ikonia> Gawerty100: most likley
[17:50] <devdyd> ikonia: all my rules use cidr notation
[17:50] <Gawerty100> When I boot into linux I will.
[17:50] <ikonia> devdyd: yes, test it, see if that's the problem
[17:50] <devdyd> ...
[17:52] <aandy> hey, i'm wondering what error is behind this. when i # ls /dir, most show up as usual, bot some show as d??????? ? ? (questionmarks for every property, perms, user/grp/size date etc.). and ls'ing those dirs result in "not found". what can cause this?
[17:52] <aandy> the disk is *litterally* full, as in, 0 bytes left on the device. is it possible that the disk "header" has been destroyed?
[17:53] <aandy> (it doesn't matter, i have backups, i'm just wondering)
[17:53] <ikonia> aandy: orphaned files
[17:53] <Gawerty100> wubi takes so long :/
[17:54] <aandy> ikonia: what does that mean exactly - lost+found?
[17:54] <aandy> (ext3)
[17:54] <ikonia> Gawerty100: i fyou have a windows install...why are you using linux/wine
[17:54] <ikonia> aandy: not really, basically a file that's lost it's place onthe disk
[17:54] <Gawerty100> Because Im looking for knowledge.
[17:55] <ikonia> Gawerty100: but wine is not something people use in the "real world"
[17:55] <wiggmpk> ikonia: some people report better frame rates using WINE on Windows
[17:55] <Ntemis> hi
[17:55] <Ntemis> i have set up my server
[17:55] <Ntemis> i have 4 hdds raid0
[17:55] <Ntemis> how i can readd them to md0?
[17:55] <ikonia> wiggmpk: most will report software not working or instability
[17:55] <escott> Ntemis, madam --assemble --scan should do it for you
[17:55] <wiggmpk> ikonia: just saying man..
[17:55] <ikonia> Ntemis: add them to ? if they are already raided they will have a metadevice id
[17:55] <liquidmetal_> What channel should I connect to for advice with designing web sites?
[17:55] <ikonia> wiggmpk: so am I
[17:55] <ikonia> escott: that's assuming he's not using fakeraid....
[17:56] <aandy> ikonia: ah, okay, so they should be "gone"? the reason I ask is, the total usage still resembles all the data. how do they lose their place - the outer ring of the disk has been overwritten (with data)?
[17:56] <ikonia> liquidmetal_: #css ?
[17:56]  * tgm4883 wonders what the "real world" is and why people don't use wine in it
[17:56] <ikonia> liquidmetal_: ##web
[17:56] <ikonia> liquidmetal_: ask in #freenode how to search for channels
[17:56] <escott> ikonia, well he said md0 not dm something
[17:56] <ikonia> escott: touche'
[17:56] <llutz> aandy: ls -ld    on parentdir, did you set x.bit? usually d????? is shown if parent has executable-bit not set
[17:56] <liquidmetal_> ikonia: thanks!
[17:56] <Ntemis> ikonia: i did this  mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=raid0 --raid-devices= /dev/etc/dev/ etc2
[17:57] <Ntemis> it complain that i will loose them if i continue
[17:57] <aandy> llutz: the parent dir is 777+x
[17:57] <Ntemis> mdadm: partition table exists on /dev/sdc but will be lost or  meaningless after creating array
[17:57] <tyrog> Hello. Installing Steam on Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS is making apt delete a lot of packages that cause the system not being able to reboot. Is there a fix for this?
[17:57] <Ntemis> this error
[17:58] <tgm4883> tyrog, what packages?
[17:58] <Ntemis> so i need some expert help
[17:58] <Ntemis> i need to readd all of them together
[17:58] <escott> Ntemis, you should create arrays of raw disks
[17:58] <ikonia> escott: touche'
[17:58] <ikonia> oops
[17:58] <ikonia> sorry
[17:58] <Ntemis> escott: command to use?
[17:59] <tyrog> tgm4883: ubuntu-desktop libxtracker1-lts-quantal libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-quantal libglapi-mesa-lts-quantal xserver-xorg-video-vmware-lts-quantal xorg xserver-xorg-video-all-lts-quantal libgl1-mesa-dri-lts-quantal xserver-xorg-lts-quantal
[17:59] <escott> Ntemis, sounds like you were telling mdadm to use /dev/sda or /dev/sdb as part of the array. thats a bad practice. use /dev/sda1 or /sda2.
[17:59] <tyrog> The backports from quantal. Steam package is uninstalling them because they conflict with libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 libgl1-mesa-glx   libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 libglapi-mesa libglapi-mesa:i386 steam:i386
[17:59] <ikonia> make sure the partition type is set to raid auto-detect
[17:59] <tgm4883> tyrog, there is no way that should be removing ubuntu-desktop.  Perhaps apt is trying to resolve something it previously couldn't do?
[17:59] <Ntemis> escott: my disks are named sda/sdb/sdc/sdd
[18:00] <escott> Ntemis, yes. and you should not use a raw disk as part of an mdadm array. its a bad idea
[18:00] <Ntemis> i need them to be all together as raid0 on dev/md0
[18:00] <Ntemis> am lost
[18:01] <Ntemis> and i dont want to loose all my data :(
[18:01] <Ntemis> thats 8tb
[18:01] <escott> Ntemis, if you put the whole disk into the array without a table then if you take that disk out and put it into a windows box (or even a linux box if you arent careful) then the disk will look like it is empty
[18:01] <escott> Ntemis, you cannot take existing data and make it raid0
[18:01] <tyrog> tgm4883: the steam package is not handling the new packages on 12.04.2 that are backports from 12.10 quantal
[18:02] <tyrog> So it deletes many stuff it shouldn't
[18:02] <playerone> jhutchins_wk, turns out I was trying to compile an older driver for an older device. Downloaded the correct driver and it compiled without issue. Thanks for your help.
[18:02] <Ntemis> i had raid0 configured (linux raid)
[18:02] <escott> Ntemis, you would have to delete the disks to create a raid0 array
[18:02] <tyrog> If i reinstall ubuntu-desktop, then apt wants to Remove all the xorg drivers
[18:02] <Ntemis> then i lost my server os
[18:02] <tgm4883> tyrog, did you file a bug?
[18:02] <Ntemis> i re install
[18:02] <rasha666> after i updated ubuntu 12.04 wireless stopped working? any ideas?
[18:02] <Ntemis> and i need them back and working
[18:03] <escott> Ntemis, then you aren't creating an array. you are assembling
[18:03] <Ntemis> yeap
[18:03] <Ntemis> thats is what i want to do
[18:03] <escott> Ntemis, so use the very first command i sent you
[18:03] <ghostcart_> rasha666: Try reinstalling your wireless drivers
[18:03] <Ntemis> reassemble my raid 0
[18:04] <ghostcart_> rasha666: Sometimes linux distros don't always come with the drivers needed
[18:04] <ghostcart_> Had to do the same thing when I made a Mint partition
[18:04] <rasha666> ghostcart_, it worked but after update it doesnt
[18:04] <ghostcart_> Dunno then. That's about the extent of my experience
[18:04] <Ntemis> cant find anything escott
[18:04] <Ntemis> what is the command
[18:05] <escott> Ntemis, mdadm --assemble --scan
[18:05] <Ntemis> oh
[18:05] <Ntemis> thank you
[18:05] <Ntemis> let me see
[18:06] <Willdude123> I am dual-booting (wubi) with Windows 8 (I know it's crap, that's why I'm using Ubuntu). I changed the default on the dual boot screen to Ubuntu, and I was expecting it to give me the option to go into windows within the 10 second period, but now it just goes straight to Ubuntu, how can I fix/revert this?
[18:06] <Ntemis> mdadm: /dev/md0 has been started with 4 drives.
[18:06] <Ntemis> i love you man!
[18:06] <escott> Willdude123, did you update-grub
[18:06] <Ntemis> it was so easy!
[18:06] <Ntemis> thanks escott
[18:06] <Gawerty100> almost done with the install.
[18:07] <Willdude123> No, I just clicked on change default to Ubuntu.
[18:07] <Willdude123> I didn't know that the dual boot screen was actually part of Windows.
[18:07] <escott> Ntemis, why are you running a 4 disk raid0. that seems like a very bad choice
[18:07] <Ntemis> yes it is
[18:07] <Ntemis> i needed that to take my data off
[18:08] <Ntemis> then i will be using raid5
[18:08] <Ntemis> so i need to mount /dev/md0 now right?
[18:08] <Willdude123> escott: TBH, I am OK with going back to how it was before,  if it is easier.
[18:08] <escott> Ntemis, ok that would be better. do make sure you are aware of the write-hole
[18:09] <Ntemis> write hole?
[18:09] <Ntemis> no nothing about that
[18:10] <bogor> In gnome-terminal when i press alt+1 it goes to the gnome terminal instead of going to the application running in the terminal. How do i tell gnome-terminal not to capture alt keys and pass everything to the app inside terminal ?
[18:10] <escott> Ntemis, i would recommend raid10 over raid5 in most cases http://www.raid-recovery-guide.com/raid5-write-hole.aspx
[18:10] <Ntemis> with 4 disks will be ok?
[18:11] <Willdude123> So basically, it boots straight into Ubuntu and I would want it to show a dual boot screen.
[18:12] <jameso> I downloaded Ubuntu Linux 12.04 LTS to my Mac OS X 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard).  I got the message: "the following disk image couldn't be opened: ubuntu-12.04.2-deskt no mountable file system."  The filename was possibly truncated as there are a no. of files beginning with ubuntu-12.04.2-desktop.  What does this mean?  Can I install Ubuntu as is?  I am planning to install it in VMWare Fusion under my Mac OS X. -jameso
[18:12] <escott> Willdude123, sounds like you modified the wrong option in /etc/default/grub (through whatever gui tool this is)
[18:13] <Gawerty100> Crap!
[18:13] <Gawerty100> Ubuntu finished installing but didnt show up in the mbr
[18:13] <Gawerty100> or boot menu
[18:13] <bogor> jameso, check the image files md5sum
[18:13] <escott> !language | Gawerty100
[18:13] <bogor> if it passes the start the vm and start installing it in the vm
[18:14] <Willdude123> escott: But it was a Windows one. It was using the Windows boot-loader.
[18:14] <Gawerty100> so, what now?
[18:14] <ioria> Willdude123: maybe that's the problem
[18:14] <Gawerty100> ubuntu didnt show up in the boot menu
[18:15] <ioria> Willdude123: and maybe you have to reinstall grub
[18:15] <mernilio> Hi all! :-) What is your oppinion about KUbuntu? I have been a slacker since '94 but recent i had enuff about uppdates 12-14 months period...
[18:15] <escott> Willdude123, doubt many people will know anything about the windows bootloader
[18:15] <SonikkuAmerica> !poll | mernilio
[18:15] <escott> Gawerty100, boot the livecd for starters. then there are a couple options to reinstall grub
[18:15] <Willdude123> ioria: It is. It was a Windows boot-loader, and I didn't realize it was part of Windows.
[18:15] <bazhang> mernilio, #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss for that
[18:15] <escott> !grub | Gawerty100
[18:16] <Willdude123> I guess I'll gav
[18:16] <Willdude123> *have to ask on the mailing list.
[18:16] <Gawerty100> I dont have a ubuntu CD, I used Wubi...
[18:16]  * genii-around shivers at the mere mention
[18:17] <ioria> Willdude123: in the ubuntu manual, at the end of it, you can find simple instructions in order to reinstall grub
[18:18] <mernilio> well, i think unity does divide some ubuntu users. I know that Linus Thorwalds hates it, so do everyother major programmer in the open source community.
[18:18] <bazhang> mernilio, this is the wrong channel for that
[18:18] <mernilio> bazhang: i know.. im just... sorry :-P
[18:19] <bazhang> mernilio, so stop, and take it elsewhere
[18:19] <mernilio> your wish is my ... something :-)
[18:20] <SolarisBoy> *Torvalds
[18:20] <Gawerty100> I have a boot menu with two differen linux distros and my windows, Ubuntu didnt show up though, I confused.
[18:20] <Kroach> mernillo: you can freely talk about it on #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:21] <bazhang> Gawerty100, better off using a real install, as opposed to wubi, which is more of a "test drive"
[18:21] <Gawerty100> it takes so long to download the .iso though :/
[18:22] <jhutchins_wk> !fixgrub
[18:23] <Gawerty100> ill be back when its installed I guess.
[18:23] <pragmaticenigma> In fstab, for an XFS partition, what are the consequences for small files if I set the default alloc setting to 3GB?
[18:23] <Ntemis> escott: i need you again
[18:24] <Ntemis> :)
[18:24] <Ntemis> i want to issue a full array check on boot
[18:24] <Ntemis> is there any command for this?
[18:24] <jhutchins_wk> Ntemis: Filesystem or raid check?
[18:24] <Ntemis> hmm
[18:24] <Ntemis> just added a failed raid0
[18:24] <Ntemis> and mounted
[18:24] <Ntemis> all seems ok
[18:25] <Ntemis> but i need it to be checked for constistency
[18:25] <Ntemis> and if hdd are all smart ok
[18:25] <mernilio> If one would have an university study here about how many of them tips you get from "nobody".. i dont think they will have so many
[18:25] <Ntemis> i have 5Tb of data for tranfer
[18:26] <Gutter> Hello, I was wondering if someone could help me. My laptop wont go past the boot screen on startup. I've tried starting with a startup usb drive but it's still stuck on the boot screen. Any help?
[18:26] <DJones> !ot | mernilio
[18:26] <Ntemis> and need it to be checked before
[18:27] <Gutter> Anyone?
[18:27] <SonikkuAmerica> Gutter: What happens when you try to log in?
[18:28] <Boohbah> Gutter: change the boot order in your BIOS to boot the usb drive first
[18:28] <Gutter> I cant acces the bios
[18:28] <Boohbah> Gutter: why not?
[18:28] <Gutter> I press F2 but all that happens is a noise
[18:29] <Gutter> and when the pc turns on, theres a sort of clicking sound
[18:29] <douwe_> he Gutter try to make a keyboard error then go to setup
[18:29] <Boohbah> but you can get to the bootloader screen?
[18:29] <znx> im attempting to install ubuntu and i get a "/init: line 7:" error .. which repeats and then finally it says "no live medium found"
[18:30] <Gutter> Nothing happens, no keys are responsive excpet for ESC but that only gives me info on the pc and the option to acces the bios but I'm still unable to
[18:31] <pragmaticenigma> znx: If you are booting from a DVD or CD-ROM, the disk may not have burned correctly and you need to burn a new disk.  If you are using USB flash drive, you may need to re-image the drive as a file may have been corrupted.
[18:31] <znx> pragmaticenigma: i ran the "check disk" thing at the options .. it thinks its good?
[18:31] <douwe_> is your harddrive ntfs or fat or fat32 or xfs etc
[18:31] <Gutter> okay Ill redo the usb drive, but it shouldn't be a problem
[18:32] <michi_s> Gutter: you are right I think
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> znx: That really isn't a good check.  The disk check doesn't check the integrity of the data, just that there is data and it is readable.
[18:32] <jameso> bogor: thanks.  Does that mean I should go ahead and install Ubuntu Linux 12.04 LTS under VMWare Fusion on my Mac OS X 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) and see what happens, even though I don't have the ubuntu-12.04.2-deskt* file(s) downloaded? -jameso
[18:33] <escott> Ntemis, raid0 does not support failed devices
[18:33] <michi_s> Gutter: are you shure, F2 brings you to BIOS? on HP laptops it wont for example as far as I know
[18:33] <znx> pragmaticenigma: ah ok .. so download the iso again then burn ? .. or can i trust the iso?
[18:33] <Gutter> on acer its F2
[18:33] <michi_s> ok
[18:33] <bazzo> ciao
[18:33] <bazzo> !list
[18:33] <Gutter> I also tried using the recovery by pressing left shift, but nothing
[18:33] <escott> Ntemis, there is no consistency to check. you either are or are not able to read the array and the data is either correct or not correct
[18:34] <douwe_> hmm i think it's F10 on the most hp laptops
[18:34] <michi_s> and you are sure that you don't have a hardware problem (just asking because of the 'noise')
[18:34] <douwe_> or F6
[18:34] <michi_s> douwe: Acer :)
[18:34] <pragmaticenigma> znx: Make sure you are downloading from Ubuntu's own servers.  Also, on the site there are MD5 hashs for the disk image.  This is how you verify that the ISO you downloaded is complete.  To check the MD5 do a websearch for "MD5 file check"
[18:35] <Willdude123> ioria: So can I get my previous system back without uninstalling windows somehow?
[18:35] <douwe_> ow sorie :-)
[18:35] <bazhang> !hashes | znx
[18:35] <znx> pragmaticenigma: ok on both parts .. ill do so now see if its good
[18:35] <znx> bazhang: ty too
[18:35] <Willdude123> ioria:  I wasn't using GRUB, I don't think, I was using the Windows one.
[18:35] <znx> oh final question .. 12.10 or 12.04 .. which is the better for me to use?
[18:36] <ioria> Willdude123: sure... have you found the ubuntu user manual ?
[18:36] <Gutter> the noise sounds like the pc cant access the hdd, at least that's what i've been told.
[18:36] <pragmaticenigma> In fstab, for an XFS partition, what are the consequences for small file sizes if I set the default alloc setting to 3GB?
[18:36] <douwe_> by showing the logo try F1 F2 or CTRL-ALT-ESC
[18:36] <tyrog> znx: it depends. Are you a new user?
[18:36] <Willdude123> This? http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[18:37] <michi_s> Gutter: hmmm...
[18:37] <znx> tyrog: ive used linux before
[18:37] <ioria> Willdude123: yep, go in troubleshooting
[18:37] <Gutter> CTRL ALT ESC brings me to the phoenix securecore page thing
[18:37] <Gutter> and then leaves
[18:37] <znx> not ubuntu though .. generally fedora
[18:37] <znx> im switching as id like to give steam on linux a go
[18:37] <Gutter> and im left with a black screen with a curser that will just blink
[18:38] <douwe_> do it when the logo is on the screen
[18:38] <michi_s> Gutter: maybe waiting for response from harddisk, which never comes
[18:38] <Willdude123> ioria: I had Windows first, and then did a wubi install.
[18:39] <Willdude123> But it says GRUB only goes if Ubuntu comes first.
[18:39] <Andy80> hey guys :)
[18:39] <tyrog> znx: Well both releases are stable. 12.04 is supported for 5 years, whereas 12.10 for 1.5 years. The first is more focused on stability, 12.10 and other normal releases are more focused on features.
[18:39] <Andy80> nobody told me that TeamFortress2 was FREE :D
[18:39] <michi_s> Gutter: I don't know if this works, but I would try in your situation: Remove the harddisk and try to boot from your usb drive
[18:39]  * Andy80 installing right now ;)
[18:39] <ioria> Willdude123: wubi ??? sorry i don't use it, i thought you were on a dual boot
[18:39] <znx> Andy80: indeed .. thats why im wanting to play :-)
[18:39] <Gutter> Remove the harddisk from the laptop?
[18:39] <znx> ok .. 12.10 iso just confirmed as matching its md5 checksum
[18:39] <Willdude123> ioria: Oh.
[18:40] <Gutter> You surem michi_s?
[18:40] <Willdude123> Damn it then.
[18:40] <michi_s> Gutter: this is whart I would do
[18:40] <pragmaticenigma> znx: are you attempting to boot this in any virtual machine? or on an actual computer?
[18:40] <znx> pragmaticenigma: actual computer
[18:40] <michi_s> Gutter: So you boot the install image and see if it works
[18:40] <Willdude123> Excuse my language.
[18:40] <douwe_> he Gutter you can try tot read the HD in a other system in a usb drive case
[18:41] <znx> im using roxio to burn the iso to a DVD and then simply booting it
[18:41] <michi_s> Gutter: and than you know your hdd makes the problem
[18:41] <znx> which fails miserably
[18:41] <Willdude123> I'll email the mailing list, it'll probably be easier to explain there.
[18:41] <Gutter> Okay I'll give that a try later on. Thanks for the support!
[18:41] <tyrog> znx: whats the error message?
[18:42] <tyrog> znx: and the computer. If the problem is with the DVD, try with a USB stick instead
[18:42] <michi_s> Gutter: hope you will get your system working
[18:42] <znx> tyrog: i can boot and install fedora from DVD .. so i dont think its that
[18:42] <znx> the error message says "/init: line 7: ".. repeats with various sdc sdd sde sdf etc ..
[18:43] <escott> Ntemis, you could fsck the filesystem but thas it
[18:43] <tyrog> znx: yea, but what is the error message (if you get one)? What do you get on the screen?
[18:43] <znx> finally it pops me to (initramfs) .. saying "no live medium found"
[18:44] <tyrog> znx: it could be the ISO that was corrupted, the burning process that had an error. Try burning the DVD with slower speed. But first i would try with a USB drive like i told you
[18:45] <znx> im not sure the system will boot USB ..
[18:45] <znx> at least i never have
[18:45] <znx> but ill give it a go after burning the DVD again
[18:45] <tyrog> znx: what are the system specs?
[18:45] <escott> znx, how old is the bios
[18:45] <tyrog> graphics card, processor and ram
[18:46] <matriks404> hi, i installed xfce, and in unity notifications and volume things (appeared if volume button pressed) is xfce-like, if i delete xfce, will unity become like an old one?
[18:46] <Ntemis> escott: data seems correct
[18:46] <znx> escott: oh its an old box .. probably er .. 2009?
[18:46] <znx> tyrog: relatively low spec .. i dont have an OS on it right now so cant get the detail to you
[18:47] <escott> znx, 2009 should boot usb
[18:47] <pragmaticenigma> znx: if your going to reburn the image, don't use roxio
[18:47] <tyrog> znx: try booting from usb. Go to the bios to change the boot order of your devices. Or use the hotkey to choose to boot from USB if your system has one
[18:48] <douwe_> wat is in terminal the command for see the ubuntu version
[18:48] <znx> pragmaticenigma: um .. what else can i use then?
[18:48] <matriks404> douwe_: few words to type in google and here we go!
[18:49] <douwe_> hmm :)
[18:49] <bazhang> !version | douwe_
[18:49] <Andy80> is there a dedicated #ubuntu-* channel to talk about gaming and Steam in particular?
[18:49] <tyrog> znx: are you using windows 7 in the machine for the burn process?
[18:49] <douwe_> thanks bazz
[18:49] <pragmaticenigma> Assuming Roxio means your on Windows.  I use CDBurner XP.   I've seen many postings on Roxio burning Linux ISOs incorrectly
[18:49] <tyrog> Andy80: precisely #ubuntu-steam
[18:49] <bazhang> #ubuntu-steam Andy80
[18:49] <Andy80> thanks :)
[18:50] <matriks404> how i can return unity back to original because xfce broke some things (for example notifcations)
[18:50] <jhutchins_wk> pragmaticenigma: It's not roxio's fault, burns sometimes go bad.  It's usually cheap burner hardware at fault.
[18:50] <znx> tyrog: yes
[18:51] <tyrog> matriks404: remove xfce with purge, then remove the isolated dependencies. It could not fix your problem though.
[18:51] <pragmaticenigma> jhutchins_wk: I agree, just more a observation that I see a lot of burning instructions recommend not using Roxio
[18:51] <tyrog> znx: insert the usb stick into the USB port. Then just right-click on the ISO and select the option "Burn to disc". Its a Windows 7 feature.
[18:51] <matriks404> ok, thanks tyrog
[18:52] <znx> hrmm .. ok
[18:52] <jhutchins_wk> znx: roxio should have an option to verify the disk - be sure to use that.  You should also check the md5sum of the iso you downloaded.
[18:52] <jhutchins_wk> pragmaticenigma: I think that's mostly because it's not free, and it's assumed that if you have to ask, you haven't bought roxio.
[18:52] <tyrog> matriks404: open the file /var/log/apt/history.log
[18:52] <znx> jhutchins_wk: md5 checksum has been confirmed .. and i did verify the disk with roxio
[18:53] <znx> im going to try USB
[18:53] <jhutchins_wk> znx: Curious.  Is the iso the appropriate architecture?
[18:54] <znx> i386 ..yes
[18:54] <douwe_> is it safe to upgrade 12.04 tot 12.10 xubuntu
[18:54] <tyrog> znx: is that machine of 2009 a netbook? How much RAM into it?
[18:55] <znx> its a desktop .. it has 4Gb of ram
[18:55] <znx> i did memtest too
[18:56] <CT1> Hi. Is there a package in the repos that I can use on my lan to send a message to my room mates? I've just found a website that I know "x" will like. Can I make a box or something appear on his screen from mine?
[18:56] <jhutchins_wk> douwe_: Check the relase notes.  The answer is "mostly".
[18:56] <tyrog> znx: dual-core Intel/AMD processor?
[18:56] <znx> um .. im pretty sure its amd .. but like i say cant remember the spec
[18:56] <znx> but i know the h/w is ok .. i can install fedora
[18:56] <CT1> not irc/facebook/e-mail etc
[18:56] <yourimym1> hello community :) is there a way to backup my ubuntu , i mean take image of it's partion and restore it back again ? like norton ghost or something
[18:57] <znx> i was using fedora until i just attempted to switch
[18:57] <tyrog> znx: try the amd64 version of ubuntu. Your ram is enough to handle that one. And a Desktop processor from 2009 is probably 64-bit
[18:57] <pragmaticenigma> znx: It looks like this guy has a pretty good how to on burning Ubuntu with Roxio... might want to try his technique and see it helps http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/burn
[18:57] <elena-IK> is the Startup Disk Creator intended for ubuntu images only?
[18:57] <tyrog> If amd64 doesn't work with your processor, then you will likely get an error message right after you boot. So you don't loose anything in trying
[18:57] <znx> that isnt my version of roxio
[18:57] <tyrog> elena-IK: yes :)
[18:57] <elena-IK> k, thanks
[18:58] <pragmaticenigma> znx: It might not be the same version, but many of the settings are there
[18:58] <znx> tyrog: i want 32 install
[18:58] <znx> pragmaticenigma: to use roxio is really simply .. click on burn image .. select iso .. burn
[18:59] <pragmaticenigma> znx: and settings usually don't disappear, they may get moved around.  And there are lots of options that sometimes work better for an ISO image that sometimes the auto-detect settings don't pick up on
[18:59] <znx> im pretty confident there isnt anything wrong with my understand of roxio or its settings
[19:00] <pragmaticenigma> znx: starting with one of the most basic that I use... I burn at least 1 speed slower than the maximum my burner can do
[19:00] <awolf> what's the best basic tutorial for reverse vnc?
[19:00] <awolf> It seems it should be simple enough, but I'm getting totally baffled
[19:00] <znx> tyrog: windows 7 doesnt offer my usb stick as an option to burn to
[19:00] <pragmaticenigma> znx: I'm not saying you don't know how to use the program.  I'm offering a suggestion to maybe improve your chances of a burned disk that works
[19:00] <znx> pragmaticenigma: it was burnt at 1x
[19:01] <YokoBR> oh god... still can't get to enable my discrete gpu :/
[19:01] <pragmaticenigma> 1x is too slow... that can introduce a lot of errors
[19:01] <znx> well the options are 1x 2x or 4x
[19:01] <znx> i trying 4x and 1x ..
[19:01] <pragmaticenigma> I'd opt for 4x in that case
[19:02] <znx> im using windows disc image burner to put it on .. it has no option for 1x et al
[19:03] <pragmaticenigma> znx: are you using roxio or something else?
[19:03] <tyrog> znx: but use amd64! It won't fix your problem, but why would you use i386 afterall?
[19:03] <znx> pragmaticenigma: tyrog suggested using windows 7 builtin burner .. so im doing it
[19:03] <pragmaticenigma> tyrog: please stay on topic
[19:03] <znx> tyrog: steam
[19:03] <pragmaticenigma> okay
[19:04] <tyrog> pragmaticenigma: where is offtopic?
[19:04] <alex88> hi guys, I'm trying to make spotify workin on 10.10, I've installed it, fixed a linklibs typo and installed a qtnetwork dep... but now I get "Istruzione non consentita" which in english should be "Instruction not allowed" or something similar... any idea?
[19:05] <tyrog> Im telling him to use an appropriate version of Ubuntu where he can use all the resources of his computer, and you tell me its offtopic? really?
[19:05] <theadmin> alex88: 10.10 is EOL and unsupported.
[19:05] <alex88> theadmin: yeah I know, but this is not mine pc.. can't upgrade, also with 800mb free space is nearly impossible
[19:05] <alex88> theadmin: you know what the error can mean?
[19:06] <awolf> spotify is very non-free by the way, and they "watermark" all the files with audible junk
[19:06] <kostkon> awolf, ??
[19:06] <alex88> awolf: really? never noticed that
[19:06] <theadmin> alex88: Still can't help, you're using a version that's not supported and that's essentially same as asking help with an unsupported distro. Sorry.
[19:07] <anew> if i dont have a gui installed, can i run firefox ?
[19:07] <theadmin> anew: Uh, nope. Firefox is a graphical application and needs an X server to connect to.
[19:07] <awolf> http://www.stereophile.com/content/corrupted-source-audible-watermarking
[19:07] <tyrog> znx: USB drivers are flash memory, not optical.  Then read how to put the ISO on a usb stick from Windows. The instructions are there in the Ubuntu page
[19:08] <tyrog> znx: no, it was an alternative to roxio.
[19:08] <znx> again .. i dont want 64bit
[19:09] <tyrog> znx: why?
[19:09] <theadmin> znx: You can install the 32-bit version from a USB as well.
[19:10] <znx> freshly burnt with windows7 tool .. same result
[19:10] <znx> trying a usb now
[19:10] <znx> tyrog: steam
[19:10] <pragmaticenigma> tyrog: It's possible the machine he's installing this on is not a 64 bit machine, why are you recommending that?
[19:11] <tyrog> pragmaticenigma: because he didn't state it wasn't a 64-bit machine. And that it was. He doesn't know, but he has 4gb of ram in a desktop of 2009. So it probably is
[19:11] <tyrog> znx: steam works in 64-bit Ubuntu, just fine.
[19:13] <theadmin> znx: Ubuntu is multiarch, meaning 32-bit apps run on 64-bit platforms.
[19:13] <theadmin> znx: Besides, they've relesaed a 64-bit version already, it's even made it to the Software Center.
[19:13] <znx> ok but this is of track .. why doesnt the 32 bit version install
[19:13] <tyrog> theadmin: really? oh no. Now i have the solution for my problem
[19:13] <znx> surely either or should work right?
[19:13] <tyrog> BAH
[19:14] <znx> theadmin: i didnt know that
[19:14] <znx> im making the USB stick right now
[19:14] <theadmin> znx: I'd just install from the software center, it's the easiest way... Also, Steam doesn't work on 12.10
[19:14] <xjkx> How do I add another distribution to my grub ? Just installed Arch Linux, but prefered to keep my Grub I had on Ubuntu. Ran grub-install, still not detected
[19:14] <tyrog> znx: We don't know. We are giving you some possible solutions, its up to you to try them right?
[19:14] <theadmin> znx: You need 12.04, it's a limitation imposed by the beta
[19:14] <znx> it says it doesnt on the site?
[19:14] <znx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valve
[19:14] <znx> that says either?
[19:15] <NastyNaz> I just sniffed a WPA handshake that is exactly the same as the bssid (mac).  The beta is over.
[19:15] <znx> :-)
[19:16] <pragmaticenigma> !ot |NastyNaz
[19:16] <tyrog> theadmin: it isn't. Although valve says 12.04 is recommended, it worked just ok in 12.10 for me
[19:16] <LaserShark> same here
[19:16] <tyrog> theadmin: there are people running it in other distros too
[19:17] <theadmin> tyrog: Well, now that is just crazy :P
[19:17] <tyrog> theadmin: can you verify for me if there is really a 64-bit steam client somewhere? I can't check that now
[19:17] <theadmin> tyrog: Then again, Debian packages are just archives, and long as dependencies are satisfied it should be okay
[19:18] <theadmin> tyrog: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/steam64/
[19:18] <jrib> tyrog: pretty sure steam64 just pulls in steam:i386 :)
[19:19] <tyrog> jrib theadmin can't one of you confirm that?
[19:19] <theadmin> tyrog: I'm installing it now, will see
[19:19] <jrib> tyrog: "steam64" depends on "steam", "steam" is only available on i386.  This is what I see on my system
[19:20] <znx> tyrog pragmaticenigma theadmin - many thanks .. the USB stick came up with the exact same error but unlike the DVD continued regardless
[19:21] <znx> it seems to be installing now
[19:21] <kingler232> hi someone into uefi? im trying to install ubuntu but always get a blank screen
[19:21] <kingler232> i tried nomodeset xforcevesa etc but nothing helps
[19:22] <NastyNaz> .
[19:22] <vipkilla> i just noticed this running: /usr/lib/accountsservice/accounts-daemon         no idea what it is. could someone tell me why it's running?
[19:25] <oal> Is it possible to run a separate x session with a custom resolution and vnc enabled? I want to connect to vnc with the correct resolution from my android template.
[19:25] <theadmin> jrib, tyrog: After installing steam from the Software Centre and running "dpkg -l steam\*", I only get steam64, and there is a "bin64" file in my .steam directory, which points to a non-existing directory. All the binaries I find are 32-bit. Weird.
[19:26] <oal> Android tablet. Auto correct :-(
[19:26] <jrib> theadmin: dpkg -L steam64  ?
[19:28] <theadmin> jrib: Funny, the only directory contained in there is /usr/share/doc. I think it relies entirely on the installer that runs when you first start steam, but then where does the installer come from... Strange stuff.
[19:29] <pragmaticenigma> congrats znx!
[19:29] <theadmin> jrib: Hm, it *does* depend on steam:i386 which doesn't show up when I use dpkg -l for some reason.
[19:30] <BluesKaj> ..BBL
[19:30] <yourimym1> hey what does backup app under system setting , used for backup full hd or just system only ?
[19:30] <SolarisBoy> yourimym1: its a file based backup aimed at things under your home directory
[19:30] <whoever> hi all, on 64bit, and i am getting (ad not supported by this site) and whatever add ebeded in the webpage. ie : if at google.com , i get spyware checker , clean up pc, and at amazon, i get "you like asian... try for free". I haven't found an AV that works on 64 bit, has anyone else?
[19:31] <theadmin> Speaking of, is the 32-bit Ubuntu truly i386?... The kernel dropped support for that processor a while ago, so I figured it'd be bumped up to i486 at least or something like that. Or is it just a name?
[19:31] <yourimym1> can i backup my full OS and restore it ?
[19:31] <theadmin> whoever: This is some browser plugin, there's no malware on Ubuntu. But if anything, the Comodo antivirus for Linux has an Ubuntu version and works perfectly for me.
[19:31] <theadmin> whoever: Bit tricky to set up, though.
[19:31] <tonsofpcs> theadmin: 686, I thought...
[19:32] <theadmin> tonsofpcs: Well, then the name is just misleading
[19:32] <whoever> theadmin: ok will check plugins
[19:33] <tonsofpcs> theadmin: no, I mean I thought the discs were named i686...
[19:33] <tonsofpcs> debian has named them i686 for quite some time (and still offers an i486 and i386 option for compatibility)
[19:33] <YokoBR> hi guys, i can't enable my gpu on boot as this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics#Script_for_use_during_bootup
[19:34] <theadmin> tonsofpcs: "ubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-i386.iso"
[19:35] <whoever> theadmin: thx it happen to be a plugin
[19:35] <pragmaticenigma> i386 vs i686 refers to the chip architecture, however, most code is written to be backwards compatible with i386.  It mostly just informs you how old of a system the code will be able to run on.  i686 supports all of the features of i386 but not the other way around
[19:35] <whoever> "savlet " that i doan't thinK  I installed
[19:35] <pragmaticenigma> so if you see i386 it will work on i386 and up... if it says i686, it will only work on i686
[19:36] <theadmin> pragmaticenigma: Right, but I'm wondering if Ubuntu *actually  works* on i386 itself, because the kernel has dropped support for that one.
[19:36] <theadmin> ...I don't have any box that old to test
[19:36] <theadmin> lol
[19:37] <pragmaticenigma> theadmin: I think the kernel support has been ported up by the Ubuntu devs.... Just cause the currently developed kernel doesn't support it, doesn't mean a distro won't. You had have to dig through the source to find out
[19:37] <theadmin> pragmaticenigma: Yeah, might be.
[19:37] <17WAA565D> hi
[19:38] <17WAA565D> what????
[19:39] <17WAA565D> اه
[19:39] <17WAA565D> مرحبا
[19:39] <tonsofpcs> theadmin: interesting.  afaik, the numbering of isos has always been for what machine will run the installer, not necessarily what machine it will work on post-install... have you tried chainloading it on a 386?
[19:39] <17WAA565D> شو الأخبار
[19:40] <theadmin> tonsofpcs: Again, I don't have any box old enough to test, nor does anyone I know
[19:40] <tonsofpcs> theadmin: unfortunately, I only have a 286 with cdrom drive operational currently, so that won't help ;)
[19:40] <bazhang> !ot
[19:40] <tonsofpcs> (I also have m68ks and a core2quad and an i5, but those won't help either)
[19:40] <theadmin> tonsofpcs: Well, at least it's not an ENIAC :P
[19:41] <tonsofpcs> theadmin: http://www.tonsofpcs.com/portable3/ - it's up at the makerspace right now, should be on IRC again later tonight, getting ready for a show-off party tomorrow.  again, no 386 with cdrom there either :)  you'll have to build one.
[19:41] <bazhang> tonsofpcs, thats enough
[19:42] <tonsofpcs> bazhang: what's enough? we're discussing the bootability of the ubuntu i386 install disc.
[19:42] <bazhang> tonsofpcs, its offtopic here. way past any support issues.
[19:42] <theadmin> bazhang: Suppose so. Sorry, I started it :/
[19:42] <tonsofpcs> the ability to install ubuntu is not a support issue? really?
[19:42] <31NACULAH> اه
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[19:42] <31NACULAH> hi
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[19:43] <YokoBR> the lack of hybrid gpu support on linux is making my experience less confortable :/
[19:43] <17WAA565D> شو
[19:43] <17WAA565D> مرحبا
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[19:43] <ClientAlive> I have a strange problem wiith eclipse on my 12.04 desktop system. I ultimately discovered that indigo is installed via the package manager and Juno is installed manually. I doin't know how it happened but I want to keep Juno and not Indigo. If I remove eclipse throught synaptic (which would be Indigo) will it break the eclipse (Juno) that I want to keep?
[19:43] <rhin0> will a plug in usb numeric keyboard work with ubuntu 10.04 ... just plug it ina nd work?  (does anyone know)
[19:44] <jhutchins_wk> YokoBR: Tell the people who build them that way.
[19:44] <rhin0> clientalive .. maybe it needs java?  maybe your java is broken
[19:44] <tonsofpcs> rhin0: it should, unless it uses some non-standard device configuration.  Should just be a USB HID class device.
[19:44] <rhin0> ok thanks tonsofpcs
[19:44] <tonsofpcs> I know there are some odd ones out there though, so it'd be best to try it to make sure of course
[19:44] <rhin0> you can test your java from the commandline ClientAlive
[19:44] <YokoBR> jhutchins_wk, it would be a pleasure to fill another contact form on ati.com
[19:44] <rhin0> javac - for compiler
[19:45] <tonsofpcs> some of the ones with built-in calculators for example will enumerate differently and not necessarily pass the expected keystrokes.  I have one that simulates the 10 keys above the alphabetical portion of the keyboard when numlock is on and the arrow keys and home/end/etc when numlock is off, with the center space ('5') doing nothing.
[19:46] <ClientAlive> rhy
[19:46] <rhin0> ok thanks tonsofpcs
[19:47] <rhin0> i'll just get a standard one
[19:47] <ClientAlive> rhin0: I have 1.6.0_27 installed and configured. I'm not sure what you mean. I have two versions of eclipse on the system and only want to keep one.. One was installed via tha package manager or command line (don't recall) and one was installed manually by downloading from the eclipse site. I want to keep that latter not the former. But I want to be sure I don't break the one I keep.
[19:48] <rhin0> check in synaptic whats installed - uninstall by right click then 'remove' within synaptic .. otherwise, remove from the command line with sudo apt-get remove <package name> client alive
[19:48] <rhin0> synaptic is the ubuntu package manager
[19:49] <jhutchins_wk> rhin0: If it's a standard keyboard then yes.  Sometimes you can get extended media keys  working, sometimes you can't.
[19:49] <rhin0> ok thanks jhutch
[19:49] <rhin0> bye
[19:50] <ClientAlive> rhin0: brother  :) I know how to ninstall something.  I need to understand whether it is going to be affected by the uninstall.
[19:50] <ClientAlive> anyone?
[19:50] <talntid> whats the best graphics card for native support in ubuntu?
[19:50] <talntid> i'm building a new computer, and don't want to mess with drivers
[19:50] <jhutchins_wk> talntid: They all have models that have issues.
[19:50] <ThinkT510> talntid: the one that works
[19:51] <jhutchins_wk> talntid: If you stay away from this year's bleeding edge new models you should be ok.
[19:52] <talntid> jhutchins_wk, yeah, I don't need bleeding edge :) Just need it to work normal. :)
[19:53] <fastrack> Hello I use a Nvidia GT 330m, Ubuntu, do you guys know how to get GLX working? The error I am getting is "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[19:56] <jhutchins_wk> !nvidia
[19:57] <mrtharepist> Question, Has anyone compared Steam performance on Ubuntu to Mac? Are the drivers any better?
[20:00] <lordnoid> #ubuntu-phone
[20:00] <RSherry> Ello.
[20:02] <RSherry> Right, so heres my issue. When I tried to boot into ubuntu, I get a hd0 out of disk error, which then throws me into something called "busy box" When I tryed to check the HD space it said it was unmounted. Now from within ubuntu booted from a CD, I get a:
[20:02] <RSherry> Error mounting: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,        missing codepage or helper program, or other error        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try        dmesg | tail  or so
[20:03] <RSherry> Any ideas to what I can do?
[20:03] <awolf> Help! I installed TeamViewer via the .deb and now I want to get rid of it. It installed a bunch of things, how do I purge this stuff?
[20:04] <ev0lve> man dkpg ;)
[20:04] <awolf> I found a FLOSS solution for what I needed: GITSO
[20:04] <awolf> Ok, man dpkg… what?
[20:04] <altmeta> awolf: or apt-get remove
[20:04] <awolf> hmm
[20:05] <ev0lve> sudo apt-get clean
[20:05] <awolf> oh that worked
[20:05] <RSherry> I don't have anything in particular that I need to keep so if I need to reformat the drive - thats fine
[20:05] <ev0lve> http://askubuntu.com/questions/32191/how-do-i-remove-cached-deb-files
[20:06] <yourimym1> hey am trying to install  AndroVM on ubuntu  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1659510/ what should i do to complete installation
[20:06] <jhutchins_wk> !patience
[20:06] <awolf> ok, so Synaptic doesn't handle all the stuff apt-get does, got it :P
[20:07] <ev0lve> you got it!
[20:07] <awolf> any reason *not* to do apt-get clean or apt-get autoclean?
[20:08] <awolf> in general?
[20:09] <altmeta> yourimym1: You need to find what package contains lib64OpenglRender.so, I believe ubuntu has a similiar feature to yum's whatprovides, I'll have a quick check
[20:09] <ev0lve> always good to clear out cached files
[20:09] <jhutchins_wk> awolf: The "clean" command just cleans up the cache.  autoclean does other things that you may not want, but it should ask first.
[20:10] <nova_> hi
[20:11] <awolf> jhutchins_wk: whoops autoclean did NOT ask
[20:11] <awolf> jhutchins_wk: what did I lose by deleting all these packages? (mostly stuff I am glad that I installed)
[20:11] <awolf> just history?
[20:12] <awolf> or easy way to get back to old version?
[20:13] <jhutchins_wk> awolf: Not sure how apt-get does it, I use aptitude, but it's supposed to remove packages marked as installed automatically to meet dependencies where the system no longer has the dependant program installed.
[20:13] <jhutchins_wk> I believe aptitude does ask before it autocleans.
[20:13] <awolf> jhutchins_wk: that's autoremove
[20:14] <yourimym1> apt-get clean dosent affect installed apps ?
[20:14] <TakeItEZ> awolf: man apt-get, autoclean doesn't anything harmfull
[20:14] <awolf> autoremove deletes unecessary packages, autoclean is, I think just deleting downloads that have since been installed
[20:14] <TakeItEZ> yourimym1: no it doesn't
[20:14] <yourimym1> what about autoclean also ?
[20:15] <jhutchins_wk> awolf: Yeah, sorry.
[20:15] <jhutchins_wk> awolf: It just cleans up the cache.
[20:16] <awolf> jhutchins_wk: cool
[20:16] <Noorideen> whats the difference between shell and terminal?
[20:17] <jhutchins_wk> Noorideen: Depends.  On a linux box the terms are pretty interchangable, on OSX they're different programs.
[20:17] <altmeta> yourimym1: I just checked using  apt-file search lib64OpenglRender.so but got no results, is the shared object not included in the deb?
[20:17] <Noorideen> hmm k thank you
[20:17] <awolf> cheers and so long folks!
[20:18] <jhutchins_wk> awolf: On aptitude clean isn't documented, on apt-get autoclean deletes only obsolete packages, while clean clears the whole cache.
[20:21] <TakeItEZ> jhutchins_wk: man aptitude contains "clean" here, same function as apt-get
[20:23] <jhutchins_wk> TakeItEZ: What v3e3rsion is your aptitude manpage?  (Should be at the bottom)
[20:23] <RSherry> Ok, so I managed to fix the mounting error, and it now boot proparly, but I'm still getting hd0 out of disk error when I start up.
[20:24] <TakeItEZ> jhutchins_wk: <IP_ADDRESS> (debian sid)
[20:24] <yourimym1> anyone here familier with androVM , or know good virtual machine to run android games on ubuntu ?
[20:24] <RSherry> The hard drive in question has 60 / 80 GB left over.
[20:26] <Seppoz> hello how do i check which process uses a certain tty device
[20:27] <yeats> Seppoz: 'lsof | grep /dev/ttyX'?
[20:28] <Seppoz> ty
[20:28] <jayar> i get exit code 21 when trying to mount this ntfs drive... says its already mounted at /media/A67220BC7220935B
[20:28] <ikonia> jayar: is it ?
[20:29] <jayar> i cant see it
[20:29] <ikonia> jayar: how are you looking ?
[20:29] <jayar> file browser
[20:29] <jayar> and it should popup on my desktop
[20:29] <jayar> it actually used to a little bit ago, now all of a sudden it doesnt
[20:29] <ikonia> jayar: open a terminal and type "cd /media/A67220BC7220935B"
[20:30] <jayar> cd /media/A67220BC7220935B
[20:30] <jayar> oh lol
[20:30] <ikonia> yes, in a terminal
[20:30] <jayar> yea but im in a terminal, on bitchx... im just a lil slow today
[20:30] <jayar> no such file or directory
[20:31] <ikonia> jayar: what version of ubuntu is this ?
[20:32] <jayar> 10.04
[20:32] <jayar> lucid
[20:33] <ikonia> jayar: you appear to have a 3.2 kernel
[20:33] <ikonia> !info linux-image-#lucid
[20:33] <ikonia> info linux-image #lucid
[20:33] <ikonia> info linux-image lucid
[20:33] <llutz> !info tlp
[20:33] <ikonia> oops
[20:33] <ikonia> !info linux-image-#lucid
[20:33] <ikonia> !info linux-image #lucid
[20:34] <ikonia> !info linux-image lucid
[20:34] <ikonia> sorry about that
[20:34] <ikonia> jayar: you sure you're running 10.04 ?
[20:34] <vahnx> i'm using deja-dup in ubuntu to do automatic backups, is there an easy way to browse the entirety of the backups or must you pick a .gz at random and unzip it?
[20:34] <jayar> thats what it says when i cat /etc/*-release
[20:34] <ikonia> jayar: can you show me the output of uname -a please.
[20:35] <jayar> Linux bt 3.2.6 #1 SMP Fri Feb 17 10:40:05 EST 2012 i686 GNU/Linux
[20:35] <ikonia> jayar: tha's backtrack isn't it ?
[20:35] <ikonia> that's odd
[20:35] <jayar> yea
[20:35] <ikonia> jayar: right, so this channel is #ubuntu
[20:35] <ikonia> not #backtrack-linux, you need #backtrack-linux
[20:35] <jayar> but its ubuntu based
[20:35] <ikonia> it's not ubuntu
[20:35] <jayar> mm
[20:35] <ikonia> as you can see it has a different kenrel
[20:35] <altmeta> yourimym1: you can just download the ova files and open them in virtualbox
[20:35] <ikonia> kernel even
[20:35] <jayar> k
[20:36] <jayar> srry
[20:36] <ikonia> not a problem
[20:36] <ikonia> jayar: I only checked to make sure I didn't give you bad info
[20:36] <jayar> all good. thanx fer tryin :)
[20:36] <ikonia> jayar: #backtrack-linux will help you though
[20:36] <compdoc> Interesting:   BackTrack is a Linux-based penetration testing arsenal that aids security professionals in the ability to perform assessments in a purely native environment dedicated to hacking.
[20:37] <jayar> it just struck me as odd cuz it worked like 10 mins ago. stopped after installed bitdefender
[20:37] <ikonia> compdoc: we know what it is
[20:37] <compdoc> good
[20:37] <OerHeks> jayar, because you are root, things go and work different for a special purpose, not for regular desktop use.
[20:37] <ikonia> jayar: I'm sure the #backtrack-linux guys will understand what's happened
[20:38] <yeats> vahnx: it's pretty opaque and not very browseable
[20:38] <excesseye> exit
[20:38] <vahnx> do you have a suggestion for a better alternative? im planning on installing wine and using a windows backup solution
[20:38] <ikonia> vahnx: want to use windows app, use windows
[20:38] <ikonia> no better option than that
[20:39] <yeats> vahnx: if you need to browse, I'd recommend a different backup method (I'll also mentioned that I was burned recently by a corrupted dejadup backup :-/)
[20:39] <vahnx> windows costs $$$
[20:39] <yeats> s/mentioned/mention/
[20:39] <yeats> !backup | vahnx
[20:39] <vahnx> oh yikes
[20:39] <compdoc> vahnx, if you need fast graphics, virtualbox is great. Wine is good too, but theres sometimes anomolies in dialog boxes, etc
[20:40] <ikonia> wine is poor
[20:40] <ikonia> and not a solution
[20:40] <jhutchins_wk> vahnx: wine is a last resort when you can't find a native linux way to do something.
[20:40] <num7> hi, i tried the command "find /home/$USER/ -perm 777" and i found 3 hidden files which has this permissions e.g. ".mozilla/firefox/trxlubd2.default/lock" Is this a security issue for my machine?
[20:40] <ikonia> num7: not really
[20:40] <jhutchins_wk> num7: Nope.
[20:41] <ikonia> num7: you run your home dir - it's up to you if you think it's bad
[20:41] <ikonia> you know your system
[20:41] <num7> ikonia: i don't know a lot about file-permission a what is dangerous.
[20:41] <num7> *and
[20:42] <anew> it's weird i use |less and get to the bottom and just have END there
[20:42] <anew> and cant exit out ?
[20:42] <yeats> anew: 'q'
[20:42] <anew> ah
[20:42] <anew> ty
[20:42] <compdoc> num7, most programs create locks and the like when they run. You dont want to change permssions on those files
[20:43] <jrib> num7: that's probably just a symlink
[20:43] <anew> i also tried ctl+pgup and alt+pgup to move the command terminal up, but doesnt work ?
[20:43] <anew> is the only option less ?
[20:44] <jhutchins_wk> num7: That's the file responsible for those pesky "iceweasel is already running" messages.
[20:44] <yeats> anew: there's 'more' but it works similarly - what are you trying to do?
[20:44] <anew> well when i do command -help for example
[20:44] <num7> ikonia: jrib: compdoc: as long as files with 777 in my home folder everything is right? Linux seems to be quite save. But how can i protect for attacks?
[20:44] <jhutchins_wk> anew: In a normal console/terminal it's Shift-PgUp
[20:44] <anew> i  cant read everything
[20:44] <anew> so i'd like to go back up to read what i missed
[20:45] <yeats> anew: I see - then less is a good solution
[20:45] <jhutchins_wk> anew: Piping it through less is a good habit.  You can also use more, which has fewer features.
[20:45] <anew> actually u know what shift pgeup just worked
[20:45] <anew> ok so less is better than pgup ?
[20:45] <yeats> anew: imho, yes
[20:45] <yeats> anew: do 'less --help' for commands
[20:45] <jhutchins_wk> anew: Depends.  Less will buffer more text than the standard terminal.
[20:46] <anew> sweet just learning here
[20:46] <anew> one last thing i am trying to wget firefox
[20:46] <anew> but when i go to the firefox downloag page
[20:46] <jhutchins_wk> anew: less will also let you search.
[20:46] <anew> it doesnt work - is wget the right thing i'm supposed to be using?
[20:46] <anew> or is there something else to download stuff ?
[20:46] <num7> is there any way how to figure out that my system has no rootkit or virus?
[20:47] <jhutchins_wk> anew: You should be able to download in your browser, but why are you trying to download firefox?  Which browser are you using?
[20:47] <jhutchins_wk> anew: wget or curl are command line file retreval programs.
[20:47] <anew> do you like wget or curl better ?
[20:47] <jhutchins_wk> num7: There are a number of programs like chkrootkit
[20:47] <jhutchins_wk> num7: rkhunter
[20:48] <anew> in my browser? i'm just trying to download via command line
[20:48] <yeats> anew: you have to be running X for firefox to work
[20:48] <jhutchins_wk> anew: Those would be the most likely programs then.  Again, why firefox?
[20:48] <yeats> anew: you could try lynx if you want a CLI browser
[20:48] <num7> jhutchins_wk: okay, thanks i note them.
[20:48] <riderplus> or elinks
[20:49] <jhutchins_wk> anew: Nevermind, I thought I was in a different channel.
[20:49] <anew> x is the gui right.... jhutchins_wk i need firefox because of it's modules
[20:49] <anew> oh lol
[20:49] <yeats> anew: yep
[20:49] <compdoc> num7, you dont want to change permissions - leave it default, and do not enable the root acount. And you could try rkhunter. Should be in the repos
[20:49] <anew> ok hmmm
[20:49] <anew> so i should be downloading everything thru gui ?
[20:49] <jhutchins_wk> anew: You should install it with apt instead of downloading it.
[20:49] <yeats> anew: you'll need to elaborate about what you're doing if you want good answers ;-)
[20:49] <jaake> heya guys, I can't find the urxvt-perls package in the newest ubuntu.. anyone have this set up?
[20:50] <anew> i tried figuring out what apt is .. .but it's not for downloading?
[20:50] <anew> ok yeats
[20:50] <anew> i just installed linux
[20:50] <anew> and i would like to download something from the command line - specifically firefox 18
[20:50] <anew> i'd like to do it from the command line so i learn the commands
[20:50] <anew> (not the gui)
[20:50] <jaake> anew: you need to use apt-get
[20:50] <jaake> eg. sudo apt-get install firefox
[20:51] <anew> i thought apt-get was only for what was already on your computer ?
[20:51] <jaake> read: man apt-get
[20:51] <jaake> negaive
[20:51] <jaake> it is a full featured package management system
[20:51] <yeats> anew: by "linux" you mean "ubuntu" right? (just checking)
[20:51] <num7> compdoc: Ok, thanks. I will try this. And stop writing yet. I don't want to increse the tetris-level here :-)
[20:51] <anew> ubuntu yes
[20:51] <anew> so apt-get can get things from the internet ?
[20:51] <jaake> yes
[20:51] <jaake> indeed
[20:52] <anew> how does apt-get know what 'firefox' is in your example ?
[20:52] <jaake> it is the tool you will be using for your package management needs in ubuntu
[20:52] <yeats> anew: I would go into the GUI and use a terminal emulator rather than just working from the TTY (but that's just me)
[20:52] <jaake> it queries the aptitude database that is on your computer
[20:52] <yeats> s/aptitude/APT/
[20:52] <jaake> anew: you can update the database with: sudo apt-get update
[20:53] <anew> jaake - so isnt the aptitude database local? how can i get things from the internet ?
[20:53] <jaake> *note: sudo is just a command to temporarily give you admin perms
[20:53] <yeats> !apt | anew
[20:53] <anew> for example i cant apt-get an image from imgur
[20:53] <jaake> anew: the database provide you with the target
[20:53] <jaake> the target is on the net
[20:53] <yeats> anew: read the link ubottu just shared
[20:53] <anew> yeah so confused, let me read that
[20:54] <anew> i tried wikipedia but what i got from that is that apt-get only gets things on ur computer
[20:54] <anew> i thought
[20:54] <anew> then jaake said it's from the internet so now i'm confused :)
[20:54] <jaake> anew apt-get uses mirrors to fetch the packages from
[20:54] <Pici> Its like downloading the card catalog for a library, but not actually checking out any books.
[20:54] <anew> so what if the card doesnt exist
[20:54] <yeats> anew: that link is a good guide to what's going on
[20:54] <jaake> i assure you that it "gets things from the internet"
[20:54] <Pici> (I wonder if 'card catalog' is an obsolete analogy now)
[20:54] <anew> then what do you use? wget ?
[20:54] <corehook> hi all! how to add user to some group ?
[20:54] <corehook> u 12.10
[20:55] <yeats> Pici: I'm a librarian, so I like the analogy ;-)
[20:55] <jaake> wget simply downloads a file from an address
[20:55] <Pici> anew: then you you need to find another way to get the package, if one even exists.
[20:55] <llutz> corehook: sudo adduser username groupname
[20:55] <anew> ok
[20:55] <jaake> anew: read: man apt-get
[20:55] <anew> and how can i browse this card catalogue
[20:55] <jhutchins_wk> anew: apt is the general term for the .deb dpkg apt-get aptitude package management suite.
[20:55] <anew> how do i knwo what's in it
[20:55] <jaake> type: man apt-get
[20:55] <jhutchins_wk> anew: It is much better than downloading and installing individual packages.
[20:56] <jaake> I am sure there is a way to query it
[20:56] <jaake> I can't recall how
[20:56] <anew> ok pretty cool
[20:56] <jaake> I am sure it is in the manpage though
[20:56] <TheLordOfTime> jaake, what're you trying to do?
[20:56] <Pici> anew: The Software Center and apt-cache search both search through the catalog
[20:56] <jaake> I typically use gentoo so I am a little out of my elemnt here
[20:56] <anew> so if i can browse apt-get i can see what packages i can install, then it fetches these packages from the mirror downloads
[20:56] <anew> if i want something not on there i use wget
[20:56] <jhutchins_wk> anew: There are thousands of packages already optimized for Ubuntu available in various repositories.  the apt system manages downloading all of the necessary dependencies and installing them into standard locations on the system.
[20:56] <anew> great so inforative
[20:56] <Pici> anew: Exactly, except if its not there then you have a bunch of options.
[20:56] <jaake> TheLordOfTime: I am here looking for anyone who has got urxvt-perls on 12.10
[20:57] <jaake> I can't find the package
[20:57] <anew> pici bunch of options? like what ?
[20:57] <Pici> anew: Like PPAs, which are like user contributed catalogs.
[20:57] <TheLordOfTime> jaake, apt-cache search urxvt
[20:57] <TheLordOfTime> ?
[20:57] <jhutchins_wk> anew: It's better to try to find an apt compatible repository for what you want.
[20:57] <jaake> or know if it is compatible
[20:57] <Pici> !ppa
[20:57] <anew> where is the list of ppa's ?
[20:57] <jaake> anew: ppa's are all over the place
[20:57] <jhutchins_wk> anew: That way the package management system knows all about what's installed where.  It can cleanly uninstall and upgrade things, and it can share common libraries so you don't have to download them for each package.
[20:57] <Pici> anew: see ubottu's links above.  But note that those are contributed and built by users, so Ubuntu can't really assure that it will work properly.
[20:58] <anew> ok so for now - only things in the apt catalogue
[20:58] <Pici> Right.
[20:58] <anew> if i want some rogue program i'd have to wget it tho
[20:58] <jhutchins_wk> anew: Try to stick to the official ubuntu repositories starting out, at least until you're more familiar with the system.
[20:58] <Pici> anew: Or stop by here and see if anyone knows how to get a package for it.
[20:58] <anew> yeah that's great
[20:58] <anew> now only to find an online list of packages
[20:58] <anew> yeah awesome channel
[20:58] <evilbit> hi guys... I'm new to ubuntu, switching from a long-time redhat sysadming job... I'm working on automated installs and have a preseed file working... I'm seeking help on a minimal set of packages to install and was looking for pointers
[20:58] <anew> ok  my wife is screaming at me to go watch a movie lol
[20:58] <anew> thanks everyone
[20:59] <jhutchins_wk> anew: aptitude search, or just run aptitude for a menu interface (on console).
[20:59] <anew> cool
[21:00] <jaake> so no one has the perl extensions for rxvt-unicode running on 12.10
[21:00] <jaake> ?
[21:02] <seb_> Bonjour
[21:03] <seb_> J'aurais besoin d'informations car je suis nouveau
[21:03] <DJones> !fr | seb_
[21:04] <znx> sigh ..im still trying to install ubuntu .. it hung at the "Preparing to install" .. turns out that it doesnt like swap paritions on the current disk .. wiped them .. now it is stuck at the disk preparation
[21:04] <znx> i have to say in comparision to mint or fedora this installer needs work
[21:04] <angs> I have ubuntu 12.10. I have a 2 GB SD card that has a linux distribution. how can I get image of the SD card?
[21:05] <znx> angs: partimage .. clonezilla .. maybe?
[21:05] <llutz> angs: cat /dev/sdX >image.img     where sdX is the SD-device
[21:05] <angs> thank you znx
[21:05] <angs> thank you llutz
[21:05] <gridwest_user> what does "restricted" mean in the ubuntu-restricted-extras module
[21:05] <Jayneil> How to triple boot Ubuntu 12.10, 12.04 and windows?
[21:05] <compdoc> znx, I install ubuntu a lot. Never have issues. Are you dual-booting or something?
[21:06] <Jayneil> I already have windows on one partition and on the other partition, I want 12.10 and 12.04
[21:06] <znx> compdoc: im just trying to install it on a machine .. that is all no dual boot no fancy setup .. im just accepting the defaults
[21:06] <Jayneil> So which would be the best approach..?
[21:06] <znx> the trouble i have is that it is just hanging and not telling me what to do
[21:06] <compdoc> znx, is it a uefi bios?
[21:06] <znx> it has been sitting on the disk prep for almost an hour now
[21:06] <znx> no
[21:06] <BluesKaj> znx, I ran into a similar problem..it turns out to be a HW recognition problem , which has been reported as a bug many times
[21:07] <compdoc> are you creating the partitions by hand?
[21:07] <znx> compdoc: no .. accepting defaults
[21:07] <znx> if i go to the shell .. i can see nothing on the disks .. fdisk is clear
[21:07] <compdoc> something is wrong, then. Should install in less than 30 mins
[21:07] <compdoc> more like 15
[21:07] <znx> compdoc: this i know .. but *what* is wrong ..
[21:08] <znx> i have no idea what to do .. it doesnt tell me its problems
[21:08] <znx> the installer log is empty as well
[21:08] <znx> which seems wrong to me ..
[21:08] <compdoc> znx, do you happen to known the drive's partition type? what size is the drive?
[21:08] <znx> like i say i have had mint and fedora on this machine before and they "just installed" .. :\
[21:08] <znx> so i know the stuff is ok
[21:08] <znx> compdoc: there is *no* partitions ..
[21:08] <znx> and the disks are SATA
[21:09] <compdoc> znx, is sata set to ahci in the bios?
[21:09] <znx> there is no such setting in the bios
[21:09] <gryg> Hello I've tried to run Ununtu 12.04 PL but I've got udevd[256]: timeout: killing /sbin/blkid -o udev -p /dev/sdc [529
[21:09] <OerHeks> znx how did you wipe your swap partition?
[21:09] <gryg> any idea how to fix this?
[21:09] <znx> OerHeks: with fdisk at the command prompt on the previous run
[21:09] <compdoc> is the drive on port one or two? or is it on another sata port, like 5 or 6?
[21:09] <znx> simply deleted the partitons
[21:10] <znx> compdoc: channel 2
[21:10] <compdoc> znx, at this point, I think you should boot gparted and take a peek. set the parition type to msdos
[21:10] <compdoc> channel 2 is good
[21:10] <znx> compdoc: what partition ?
[21:10] <znx> there isnt a partition
[21:11] <compdoc> even if there is no partition, there is a type
[21:11] <znx> O_o
[21:11] <gridwest_user> what does restricted mean in the ubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:11] <compdoc> it has to be set before creating a part.
[21:11] <faust1002> hello guys
[21:12] <ejv> Ubiquity functions without error most of the time, i'd be suspicious of your hardware; if you think you found a bug, file it on Ubiquity's LaunchPad
[21:12] <znx> compdoc: i have no idea what you mean .. a partition type is applied to a partition
[21:12] <znx> when there is no partitions .. how do i set a type against nothing?
[21:12] <Epx998> Does the Pantech UML290 work on Ubuntu yet?
[21:12] <compdoc> I just had a problem where a drive was once part of a raid, and ubuntu refused to see it. had to use gparted to clear it
[21:13] <znx> well this disk was previous used for fedora .. which worked fine
[21:13] <OerHeks> gridwest_user,  patent and copyright restrictions complicate distribution of software to support non-free formats.
[21:13] <DJones> gridwest_user: Restricted generally means that some of the packages are restricted by copyright or legal issues in some countries
[21:14] <OerHeks> see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[21:15] <ejv> well fedora != ubuntu; likewise, anaconda != ubiquity :)
[21:15] <gridwest_user> thank you this helps alot guys
[21:15] <R0ma1n> Hello guys. Please What is the complete line command to install missing dependencies please ? It begins with apt-get install ... but I miss the option ^^'
[21:15] <znx> sigh .. i guess i have to get gparted .. this seems so wrong just to install ubuntu .. no?
[21:16] <ejv> the install disc should carry parted, i would drop to command line and manually repartition
[21:16] <OerHeks> R0ma1n, apt-get install -f
[21:16] <ejv> R0ma1n: man apt-get
[21:16] <znx> ejv: i can just type parted on the command line?
[21:16] <ClientAlive> something in update-alternatives for gcc doesn't look right. Can someone help me get it sorted?
[21:16] <ejv> znx: of course
[21:16] <R0ma1n> OerHeks, Thanks !  I just installed 12.10 on a UEFI notebook and the installer failed to isntall grub2. luckily the device ran Arch before so there's a working grub2 in place. can someplease give me a set of kernel params to boot with upstart? I keep getting errors and kernel panics
[21:19] <Chais> s/someplease/someone please/
[21:19] <BluesKaj> znx, my solution was actually a workaround , installed 12.04 then do-release-upgrade(d)  to 12.10
[21:20] <znx> hrmm .. i guess i could try 12.04 ..
[21:20] <BluesKaj> znx, http://askubuntu.com/questions/204771/ubuntu-12-10-installation-hangs-at-preparing-to-install-ubuntu
[21:20] <znx> oh thats nice
[21:20] <ClientAlive> better, after pressing <enter> I get this: http://pastebin.com/HBZcyhch
[21:20] <compdoc> 12.10 - dont like it much
[21:21] <znx> BluesKaj: ill give that a go .. seems like they are suffering the issues i am
[21:21] <znx> many thanks
[21:22] <znx> 1h 30mins for the iso .. le sigh .. time for food :-)
[21:22] <BluesKaj> znx, hope it works for you
[21:22] <znx> BluesKaj: me too .. i think i might just go back to fedora if it doesnt :|
[21:25] <Chais> hi. I just installed 12.10 on a UEFI notebook and the installer failed to isntall grub2. luckily the device ran Arch before so there's a working grub2 in place. can someone please give me a set of kernel params to boot with upstart? I keep getting errors and kernel panics
[21:27] <cameronc> Hey guys is there any reason my linux install constantly freezes  up?
[21:28] <Burritoh> cameronc: more info would be handy... versions? does alt+ctrl+F1 do anything?
[21:28] <Burritoh> the last time I had that problem, it turned out to be a faulty USB device, believe it or not.
[21:29] <Burritoh> cameronc: to get back to your normal interface, alt+ctrl+f8
[21:30] <cameronc> Burritoh: Yeah opens up a console. Running Ubuntu 12.10
[21:30] <Burritoh> I mean, does it work if you are frozen?
[21:30] <cameronc> Burritoh: Haven't tried
[21:30] <Burritoh> if it works, it might be X that crashes...
[21:30] <Burritoh> if it doesn't, it might be between X and the kernel, I'm not sure
[21:31] <HfE2000> \bye
[21:32] <Chais> can someone please give me kernel options of a working upstart boot?
[21:33] <Burritoh> cameronc: might also be handy to check /var/log/ - use a file browser, and sort it by date modified. If you pick a log modified close to the time of your crash, you might find a clue
[21:35] <Chais> Burritoh: could you please give me your kernel params
[21:35] <Burritoh> I don't use UEFI.. would it still be applicable?
[21:35] <Burritoh> and I run Mint. I'm not sure where to get them.
[21:35] <Chais> probably yes
[21:36] <Chais> as long as it runs upstart it should be fine
[21:37] <Burritoh> trying to find out how to get kernel params now :V
[21:39] <Chais> Burritoh: depending on your bootloader there's a file in /boot/ or a subdir
[21:40] <Burritoh> Chais: maybe this is helpful, scroll down to the highlighted part... it's my copy of /boot/grub/grub.cfg http://pastebin.com/dc45SttZ
[21:40] <Chais> for grub2 it's /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[21:40] <Burritoh> ah
[21:41] <PeTaz> anyone using steamuntu?
[21:42] <cameronc> Burritoh: I can still use alt ctrl f1 when my computer freezes momentarily
[21:42] <Burritoh> PeTaz: Steamint counts? :P
[21:42] <Burritoh> oh, so it's not a crash
[21:42] <Burritoh> cameronc: it might be a graphics driver problem, is my first thought
[21:43] <Burritoh> cameronc: is your system up to date, including gfx drivers?
[21:43] <cameronc> Burritoh: It should be. I updated my system yesterday
[21:43] <Burritoh> cameronc: my second thought is something that is using a lot of memory, and the swap speed being terrible
[21:44] <Burritoh> gnome-system-monitor (if they still have that in Ubuntu) would show that
[21:44] <Burritoh> why are there three FloodBots?
[21:47] <mjuszczak> Anyone here familiar with mylvmbackup?
[21:47] <Burritoh> cameronc: if it's a graphics driver problem, you might consider switching graphics drivers... I think all three (Intel, ATI, and nVidia) have two main versions. Open source, and closed source.
[21:50] <cameronc> Burritoh: Okay nevermind I can't use alt ctrl f1 during some of the freezes
[21:50] <Burritoh> oh
[21:50] <PeTaz> is pf-kernel better for gaming?
[21:50] <Burritoh> when my RAM is full and swap space starts getting used, my mouse gets stuttery. Does that happen to you?
[21:51] <Burritoh> PeTaz: don't know what that is
[21:51] <Burritoh> *looks up*
[21:52] <PeTaz> http://freecode.com/projects/pf-kernel
[21:52] <cameronc> Burritoh: No not really
[21:53] <Burritoh> hmm
[21:53] <DeadWeaselX> how do I change wireless drivers?  I want to try rtl8187L but everything i've tried leaves rtl8187 running for the wlan0
[21:53] <Burritoh> anyone else got any ideas for cameronc's problem. Now and then Ubuntu 12.10 freezes momentarily for him
[21:53] <cameronc> Burritoh: My screen just freezes for about 40 seconds and then unfreezes
[21:53] <Burritoh> oh
[21:53] <cameronc> Then freezes again
[21:53] <cameronc> And unfreezes
[21:53] <Burritoh> oh o_O
[21:54] <Burritoh> cameronc: are you sure your case is well ventilated? if you type "sensors" (you need lm-sensors installed) it should say some things about MB/CPU temp
[21:55] <cameronc> Burritoh: Yes very. I don't think it's a temp problem
[21:57] <cameronc> Burritoh: Like X-chat has frozen twice in the past few minutes
[21:57] <Burritoh> oh
[21:57] <Burritoh> is it specific programs, or the whole system?
[21:58] <Burritoh> I'm looking on the web for some solutions right now...
[21:58] <cameronc> Burritoh: Occasionally the whole system, occasionally specific programs
[21:58] <Burritoh> oh o_O
[21:59] <Burritoh> cameronc: do you use any other OS or distro, besides Ubuntu, on that system? Does it happen there as well?
[21:59] <Burritoh> And are they installed on other physical hard drives
[21:59] <Burritoh> ?
[22:01] <ubuntu22> Can someone help me recover my ubuntu 10 LTS system.  I force installed some 32 bit libraries onto the 64 bit system and onw it kernel panics.  I think I just need to uninstall the libraries but could use assistance doing it from a live cd.
[22:02] <Burritoh> if you want to find out if it's a memory issue, you can run Memtest86+.
[22:02] <Burritoh> cameronc: *if you want to find out if it's a memory issue, you can run Memtest86+.
[22:03] <eN_Joy> i kind of messed up the locale settings, after many round of localepurg, locale-gen, dpkg-reconfiure, etc., games, i am still getting warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (zh_CN.GB18030): No such file or directory message, many posts suggest that i need a reboot, do i have to? are there other ways around? thanks
[22:03] <PeTaz> ubuntu22 :-)
[22:04] <PeTaz> anyone knows how to use the stalk option on CZ?
[22:06] <cameronc> Burritoh: I'm running Windows 7 as well but do not have the freezing problem
[22:06] <Burritoh> ah..
[22:07] <Burritoh> cameronc: if Windows 7 is on the same physical drive, the only thing I can still think of is a driver problem, possibly graphics drivers.
[22:08] <Burritoh> PeTaz: pf-kernel looks interesting
[22:09] <DeadWeaselX> how do I change wireless drivers?  I want to try rtl8187L but everything i've tried leaves rtl8187 running for the wlan0
[22:09] <Burritoh> I might try it when I shrink/delete my Windows partition :)
[22:11] <Marcellina> Hello.
[22:11] <Marcellina> Hoe comes that Labelflash has no support?
[22:12] <SBNexus7> Hello I have a quick question about daily-preinstalled builds
[22:12] <Myrtti> Marcellina: because it's patented?
[22:12] <SBNexus7> Was interested to see if there is any other previous builds as the current ones seem to be bad :/
[22:12] <ikonia> SBNexus7: daily as in 13.04 ?
[22:13] <SBNexus7> Correct
[22:13] <Burritoh> Marcellina: it is up to the company to support it or not... Reverse-engineering would break the patent, I suspect.
[22:13] <SBNexus7> The builds for Nexus 7
[22:13] <ikonia> SBNexus7: try #ubuntu+1 that is for 13.04 discussion
[22:13] <scottj> powertop estimates my eth0 device usage at 3 watts, but I'm not even using it, any ideas how to turn it off?
[22:13] <SBNexus7> Awesome thanks
[22:14] <Marcellina><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:14] <Marcellina> Will they charge a fee or what?
[22:14] <xangua> Marcellina: say hello to good old spam :)
[22:14] <Myrtti> Marcellina: probably yes, that's the point of patents
[22:14] <wiggmpk> Marcellina: this is really not the place to ask
[22:14] <CaleSmoke> sudo ifconfig eth0 down
[22:15] <Marcellina> I think Ubuntu should support it.
[22:15] <tekk> hi guys, i'm running 12.04 server on Mac Mini's in BIOS emu mode… using them as KVM hosts… however, experiencing strange behaviours
[22:15] <wiggmpk> Marcellina: its not up to Ubuntu to support it.. its up to whomever makes the product to make it available on a Linux system
[22:15] <CaleSmoke> You get that, scottj?
[22:15] <ubuntu22> I am getting this error when I try to chroot a folder where a file system is mounted: chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory.  Anyone know why?
[22:15] <tekk> sometimes I/O makes the whole system hang indefinitely
[22:16] <tekk> or makes the kernel panic on a KVM VM for example
[22:16] <tekk> i'm using an LLVM store
[22:16] <tekk> other times its fine…. just wondered if it was the Mac Mini's support, or perhaps I should look into Ubuntu problems?
[22:16] <Baghdatis> can someone tell me the command for moving a file named science.bak into a subdirectory named backups
[22:16] <tekk> Baghdatis mv science.bak backups/
[22:16] <tekk> anyone can help me ? :)
[22:17] <Baghdatis> sweet thanks
[22:17] <Baghdatis> no . on the end
[22:17] <Baghdatis> ?
[22:17] <sp3ck> mv science.bak backups
[22:17] <scottj> CaleSmoke: thanks!
[22:17] <Burritoh> Baghdatis: not really needed, no
[22:17] <CaleSmoke> You got it bud.
[22:17] <CXIV> Is there a way to boot from Windows bootloader?
[22:17] <ikonia> CXIV: no
[22:17] <ikonia> CXIV: the windows boot loader will not boot a linux kernel
[22:17] <CaleSmoke> scottj, to turn it back on use the same command only "down" is "up"
[22:18] <CXIV> Too bad :)
[22:19] <Marcellina> Is it not like you ask them to give a license?
[22:19] <Marcellina> Like a free one for Ubuntu.
[22:19] <Myrtti> Marcellina: us? most people on this channel aren't developers of Linux or even Ubuntu
[22:20] <wiggmpk> Marcellina: is there any particular reason you HAVE to use Labelflash as opposed to Lightscribe (which happens to be supported on Ubuntu)
[22:21] <tekk> btw, the offending kernel panic line i believe is : BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at<PHONE_NUMBER>000330
[22:21] <Marcellina> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-burning
[22:21] <tekk> at the end it says: [ 2187.550778] Fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed!
[22:22] <Marcellina> I've got a burner here with Labelflash, that's why I'm asking.
[22:22] <CaleSmoke> I just stumbled across the Classic Menu Indicator Applet for 12.04+
[22:22] <CaleSmoke> Awesome!
[22:23] <wiggmpk> Marcellina: maybe you should return it and get one with Lightscribe.. or next time see if whatever hardware your buying is supported
[22:23] <lbj_90> I'm getting a quick error screen everytime I wake my computer from standby. It also appears when I try to access a virtual terminal and I can't use them.
[22:23] <Marcellina> I didn't buy it.
[22:23] <GoiterPaste> Trying to find a decent softsynth for my midi controller, anyone have any tips. Having trouble getting jack to start too, in 12.10
[22:23] <CaleSmoke> What device? Version? lbj_90 ?
[22:24] <stevieo> Hello. I am trying to install Ubuntu 12.10 from a hot disc onto a Latitude D510. The installation hangs on the starting installation screen. I am stumped (and new to Ubuntu, but not the cli). Anya and all assistance is appreciated!
[22:24] <CaleSmoke> I ask because I have a similar problem. I think it has something to do with SSD, in my case.
[22:25] <wiggmpk> Marcellina: you can try installing the Labelflash software under WINE, but there is no native linux software for Labelflash drives.. Good luck
[22:25] <lbj_90> CaleSmoke I'm running Xubuntu 12.10, hope it's appropriate enough to use this board.
[22:25] <lbj_90> The error pertains to a usb device I think. I can get a readout of it if you want -- I don't know where to source the problem from so i don't know where to get started.
[22:25] <Burritoh> Marcellina: or even a virtual machine, if you can manage directly connecting the physical drive to the virtual machine. I don't know how to do that.
[22:26] <CaleSmoke> I don't have a solution, lbj_90, I can just relate.
[22:26] <Marcellina> I know all this, I've been wondering why there is no support.
[22:26] <lbj_90> CaleSmoke does your error say something like hid-generic?
[22:26] <DJones> Marcellina: This may help, aparantly Labelflash Index Maker can be installed using wine (but it is an old report) http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=7932&iTestingId=11815
[22:26] <wiggmpk> Marcellina: the obvious answer is, it doesnt garner enough support to matter...
[22:27] <Burritoh> Marcellina: to put it bluntly, the same reason things like Microsoft don't support Office on Linux yet. Linux is a tiny market for big companies like that, who look for money.
[22:27] <Burritoh> the Linux Desktop is a tiny market*
[22:27] <CaleSmoke> lbj_90, I can't even read it, it is so quick. But it doesn't stop anything from functioning properly. Although, the initial one line message grows to four or five as I continue to ignore it.
[22:27] <wiggmpk> Marcellina: you should really direct that question to the publisher of the software, ask them why they dont support Linux..
[22:28] <lbj_90> CaleSmoke are your virtual terminals disabled or do they just quickly display the message? Mine dont' work period.
[22:28] <CaleSmoke> virtual terminals work fine.
[22:29] <Marcellina> Which software?
[22:29] <wiggmpk> Marcellina: Labelflash........
[22:30] <DuxB> I'm copying an entire hard drive to an image using dd, and need to later shrink one of the partitions in the image before I can write it back to disk. Is this possible?
[22:30] <Marcellina> It's a technology just like Lightscribe.
[22:30] <wiggmpk> Marcellina: *sigh* and requires software to utilize it.. much like a driver
[22:31] <Marcellina> What's with the Ubuntu Burning Team?
[22:31] <Burritoh> They cannot reverse-engineer patented software.
[22:31] <wiggmpk> Marcellina: so I'm sure the physical disc drive works under Ubuntu.. however the feature of burning a pretty picture to the top of the disc isnt
[22:31] <Burritoh> It's not legal.
[22:32] <Burritoh> (Except if they ask the company, but there is little motivation for that currently)
[22:32] <Marcellina> I know it's illegal in some countries.
[22:32] <wiggmpk> this seems like a circular conversation
[22:32] <Burritoh> We should end it
[22:32] <Marcellina> I don't know if they tried to legally obtain the license. Do you?
[22:33] <ubuntu22> I am trying to delete files from a package that I installed that is causing my ubuntu system to fail.  Is it possible to "uninstall" the package by deleting all the files in the "File list of package" on packages.ubuntu.com?
[22:34] <Burritoh> ubuntu22: hm, I usually uninstall through Synaptic, can't you do this for some reason?
[22:34] <wiggmpk> Marcellina: like I said before.. this is NOT the place for the questions you are asking.. contact the manufacturer
[22:34] <Marcellina> I mean it's old technology, Yamaha/Fujifilm could give it away for free to get it supported, right?
[22:35] <ubuntu22> Burritoh, I am trying to recover an ubuntu install that will not boot because of a certain package that's installed.  I also cannot chroot while in live cd for some reason
[22:35] <Myrtti> Marcellina: Wikipedia says 2005, so in patent rights terms no it's not old
[22:35] <xangua> Marcellina: then tell yamaha/fujifilm that :)
[22:35] <Burritoh> Marcellina: I suggest you take initiative and courteously ask YAMAHA here<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- or the Ubuntu Burning Team here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-burning
[22:35] <Myrtti> Marcellina: can we move on, this isn't actually an issue that can be changed on this channel
[22:36] <Marcellina> Alright, enough fuzz. Thanks everyone.
[22:36] <ColinHarrington> Hey, I just got a new bluetooth keyboard (the Logitech bluetooth easy switch) and am having trouble pairing it.  Where can I find good information on how to debug this stuff and fix it?  #12.04, http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/bluetooth-easyswitch-keyboard-business?crid=656
[22:36] <Burritoh> ubuntu22: no backups? :(
[22:38] <stevieo> I am trying to install Ubuntu 12.10 from a hot disc onto a Latitude D510. The installation hangs on the starting installation screen. I am stumped (and new to Ubuntu, but not the cli). Any and all assistance is appreciated!
[22:38] <compdoc> stevieo, might try 12.04
[22:38] <ubuntu22> Burritoh, I just need to uninstall packages without being in the system.
[22:38] <Burritoh> ubuntu22: I think you could play around with the files mentioned here (or similar files relating to your package) http://www.piprime.fr/1480/manually-remove-broken-package-debian-ubuntu/ ... but I suggest making a backup of the broken system (if possible) before you do so.
[22:39] <Burritoh> or the file list you mentioned
[22:39] <stevieo> Good thought! Thanks, will attempt.
[22:39] <CaleSmoke> stevieo, Try to reburn the disc? Slow down write speed? It could very well have been a write error.
[22:39] <CaleSmoke> I recommend 12.04 over 12.10 as well.
[22:39] <Burritoh> also, if you look at the Synaptic UI, right click on a package, Properties > Installed files, maybe that might be a list of files you can delete? I'm not sure
[22:40] <Burritoh> ubuntu22: *also, if you look at the Synaptic UI, right click on a package, Properties > Installed files, maybe that might be a list of files you can delete? I'm not sure
[22:40] <yourimym1> hey any idea how to install java after downloading it's file
[22:40] <Burritoh> Packaging is not my strong point. Seems like something many people have troubles with.
[22:40] <anew> ok back, so is there a site like cpan but for linux packages ?
[22:40] <CaleSmoke> JAVA= Just another vulnerability announcement.
[22:41] <_goxxsy_> `hi :-)
[22:41] <Burritoh> anew: packages.ubuntu.com ? (the web interface for the Ubuntu repositories)
[22:41] <Burritoh> CaleSmoke: lol
[22:41] <CaleSmoke> yourimym1, http://www.java.com/en/download/help/linux_x64_install.xml
[22:42] <kraghot> hey guys. What's up?
[22:42] <ubuntu22> Burritoh, I think that is the same list I am looking at.  But during an install of a package isn't it possible for the package the edit files that were already on the system?  I am afraid to delete files that I may need.  Do you know the best way to make an image of the file system?
[22:42] <CaleSmoke> Heard that on SecurityNow with Steve Gibson, Burritoh.
[22:42] <Burritoh> there should be a seperate channel for dpkg problems XD there are so many of them
[22:42] <anew> ah sweet thanks burrito
[22:42] <Burritoh> ubuntu22: to answer the very last question, fsarchiver. There's a wikibook on it. I'll fetch it.
[22:43] <Burritoh> ubuntu22: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/How_To_Backup_Operating_Systems#Create_Partition_Backup_-_FSArchiver_Method
[22:43] <Burritoh> that's the method I use
[22:43] <Burritoh> I back up about once every three months
[22:43] <PeTaz> how do i align 4k partitions?
[22:43] <kraghot> I'm having some problems with ubuntu... It seems to freeze randomly... There is nothing I can do but ctrl alt f2 which does work but I don't know how to return to gui. Any ideas?
[22:44] <SolarisBoy> CTRL+ALT+F7
[22:44] <ev0lve> kragshot: graphics driver? take a look at your system processes before it freezes.
[22:44] <CaleSmoke> UPNP= Ur Probably Not Protected
[22:44] <kraghot> thank you SolarisBoy
[22:44] <SolarisBoy> but you most likely need to handle whatever is stucking up the gui first or the gui will be hung - check htop/top or other commands to figure out the issue while in the other TTY kraghot
[22:45] <wiggmpk> CaleSmoke: made for the ignorant so yeah.. duh
[22:45] <SolarisBoy> kraghot: a lot of times you'll be able to type in those spare TTY's unless the system is very badly hung so from there check top/ps etc to locate the problematic thingy
[22:45] <kraghot> could it be flash player?
[22:45] <PeTaz> http://www.zdnet.com/how-to-install-the-steam-gaming-client-on-ubuntu-gallery-7000011391/
[22:45] <SolarisBoy> kraghot: check your system stats - use top or htop - or use ps with sorting
[22:45] <CaleSmoke> Convenience ALWAYS trumps security.
[22:46] <yourimym1> i can't install java from these instruction need simple commands am newbie
[22:46] <CaleSmoke> Remember the WPS vulnerability? haha@
[22:46] <Burritoh> CaleSmoke: if we wanted to be completely secure, we'd all be using embedded systems which cannot be reprogrammed. :P
[22:46] <wiggmpk> CaleSmoke: as fas as I know its still active
[22:46] <CaleSmoke> It is.
[22:46] <kraghot> well top is plugin-container which is flash player given I'm watching a yt video
[22:46] <Burritoh> kraghot: 'freeze' is such a wide symptom... it could be flash player, it could be your memory, it could be the meteor that landed in Russia :P j/k
[22:46] <kraghot> If it hangs again I'll try to find out what hanged it :D
[22:46] <wiggmpk> CaleSmoke: in fact, I believe in Linksys routers, even if you turn off WPS it doesnt disable it.. but this if !offtopic
[22:47] <PeTaz> the meteor didnt land
[22:47] <kraghot> I don't think it's the memory I've got 12 gb of good ram
[22:47] <ubuntu22> Burritoh, I am trying to use this guide: http://karuppuswamy.com/wordpress/2010/06/02/how-to-chroot-to-ubuntu-using-live-cd-to-fix-grub-rescue-prompt/ But I cannot chroot to the folder because I get this error:  chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory. Do you know why?
[22:47] <CaleSmoke> You're right, wiggmpk
[22:47] <CaleSmoke> Comical.
[22:47] <francis_> how do i remove a libav codec?
[22:47] <Burritoh> ubuntu22: x_x if you chrooted correctly, that means even that system's version of bash isn't working correctly
[22:48] <SolarisBoy> kraghot: you should look at different sorting options for top a lot of times when top opens your active process will be there - sometimes you will see top itself - you need to sort it to get proper outputs
[22:48] <Burritoh> ubuntu22: in that system, is /bin/bash a valid file, if you mount it and look for it/
[22:48] <francis_> how do i remove a library?
[22:48] <Burritoh> ?*
[22:48] <SolarisBoy> kraghot: on the top of top .. there should be generic reading on cpu/memory/swap usage
[22:48] <CaleSmoke> I can't believe the cost of laptops preloaded with ubuntu. i.e. zareason and system76.
[22:48] <SolarisBoy> francis_: with apt-get remove or purge
[22:48] <kraghot> SolarisBoy,  yes I have cpu and mem %
[22:48] <kraghot> steam seems to be using a lot but it's downloading tf2 so...
[22:49] <ev0lve> kraghot: use "l" to toggle the view of system load in top.
[22:49] <ubuntu22> Burritoh, yes everything is there.  I just installed 32 bit versions of libc stuff and now it panics at boot.
[22:49] <Burritoh> o.O
[22:49] <kraghot> ev0lve,  yep steam and flash player
[22:49] <francis_> what is the command solaris boy?
[22:49] <ev0lve> kraghot: what graphics card do you have installed?
[22:49] <ubuntu22> Burritoh, I mean installed 32 bit libc stuff to 64 bit ubuntu
[22:49] <SolarisBoy> apt-get remove 'package'
[22:49] <kraghot> I have ATI hd5850
[22:50] <SolarisBoy> francis_: what library are you looking to remove?
[22:50] <ubuntu22> Burritoh, now I am trying to uninstall it.
[22:50] <Burritoh> ubuntu22: yeah, I remember from what you said before, still weird to me
[22:50] <kraghot> Also yt videos lagg when I scroll in firefox
[22:50] <francis_> is there a library manager program?
[22:50] <ev0lve> kraghot: i would look in to system updates or the "Additional Drivers" for a potentially updated driver
[22:50] <kraghot> my drivers are probably  in error
[22:50] <SolarisBoy> francis_: libraries are installed (by default) as normal packages
[22:50] <Burritoh> kraghot: (if you don't find help here specific to Steam, #ubuntu-steam is worth a go)
[22:50] <kraghot> ev0lve,  I've just installed this system today
[22:51] <SolarisBoy> francis_: hence you manage libraries with the normal package manager - apt or software center
[22:51] <kraghot> but I've enabled experimental drivers
[22:51] <francis_> ok well i m trying to install the restricted extras but i cant figure out how to remove libavcodec53
[22:51] <kraghot> Burritoh,  ok tnx :D
[22:52] <thaurwylth> Hrm. I'm trying to get this Terratex Aureon 7.1 USB to work. (For so-so reference, see http://alsa.opensrc.org/TerratecAureonUSB5.1 )
[22:52] <francis_> solaris boy you there?
[22:52] <SolarisBoy> francis_: can you post to pastebin the output of 'apt-cache policy libavcodec53'
[22:52] <SolarisBoy> francis_: yes. i am here.
[22:53] <thaurwylth> So, is that custom .asoundrc thing still valid?
[22:53] <francis_>   Installed: 6:0.8.5-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[22:53] <francis_>   Candidate: 6:0.8.5-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[22:53] <francis_>   Version table:
[22:53] <francis_>  *** 6:0.8.5-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> 0
[22:53] <francis_>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal-updates/main amd64 Packages
[22:53] <FloodBot1> francis_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:53] <francis_>         500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal-security/main amd64 Packages
[22:54] <Burritoh> oh dear
[22:54] <SolarisBoy> heh
[22:54] <unheeding> the floodbots are battling
[22:54] <Burritoh> ubuntu22: this might help, I'm not sure. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1771442
[22:54] <Burritoh> Robot wars \o/
[22:54] <Mrokii> Hello. Does anybody know how I can rotate a video (by 90 degrees) with any kind of app in Ubuntu? I tried ffmpeg and VLC according to tutorials on the net, but that didn't work.
[22:55] <SolarisBoy> Burritoh: that was a good show ! =)
[22:55] <francis_> solaris boy sorry about that where do i paste it so you can see it
[22:55] <Burritoh> ubuntu22: on first sight, I can see a command that the site you pasted doesn't have: sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bash
[22:55] <francis_> it appears to be an update for an amd64
[22:55] <SolarisBoy> Mrokii: ffmpeg
[22:55] <SolarisBoy> Mrokii: ffmpeg -vfilters "rotate=90" -i input.mp4 output.mp4 -- something like that would do
[22:57] <ubuntu22> Burritoh, thanks for the help I'll check out the link.  I also did try to use the argument /bin/bash and /mnt_pt/bin/bash but it didn't work
[22:57] <francis_> solarisboy how do i fix that?
[22:57] <SolarisBoy> francis_: and why do you need to remove this library - is there a conflict when you try to install restricted-extras?
[22:58] <Mrokii> Nope, doesn't work. Just gives me an error that "rotate=90" can't be set for option "vfilters".
[22:58] <francis_> yah there is, it says these items must be removed libavcodec53 and 51
[22:58] <Burritoh> anyone got any ideas for ubuntu22's problem? He needs to uninstall a 32-bit package that broke his 64-bit system, from a liveCD.
[22:58] <SolarisBoy> Mrokii: ffmpeg is rather picky - let me check the man page (you should to, anyway thats the software you would use, and likely others gui based will wrap around a command like that)
[22:59] <francis_> anything?
[23:00] <SolarisBoy> Mrokii:  ffmpeg -vf "rotate=90" -i /mnt/media/video/home/20120809_194852.mp4 /tmp/test.mp4  || this command is working for me now -
[23:00] <Burritoh> I bet people get more help in here when they use a girlish nickname. XD
[23:00] <francis_> hahaha
[23:00] <SolarisBoy> Mrokii: replace it with your file names -
[23:01] <yourimym1> if youtube crushes too much what do i need ?
[23:01] <SolarisBoy> francis_: so basically when you try to do this installation it fails saying it can't proceed because you need to remove those manually?
[23:01] <francis_> yes
[23:01] <SolarisBoy> francis_: i believe this happend to me and i tried apt-get install -f first.
[23:01] <Mrokii> SolarisBoy: Doesn't work for me. It says "No such filter: 'rotate'"
[23:02] <Burritoh> yourimym1: you can try not using flash. Youtube supports HTML5, to some extent. https://www.youtube.com/html5
[23:02] <SolarisBoy> Mrokii: francis_ - a little cheat as well im using libavcodec and ffmpeg from the ffmpeg official repo =)
[23:02] <francis_> how exactly do you do that?
[23:02] <ubuntu22> Burritoh, I check out the link you posted and no luck, it's pretty much the same stuff on the link I posted.  Everyone's solution is to chroot.