[00:58] <xnox> i managed to trace some of them to Keybuk!
[00:58] <xnox> and understand some other bits
[00:58] <xnox> many are still quite a puzzle
[08:49] <vicamo> hi, anyone has some time to help upload https://launchpad.net/~vicamo/+archive/ubuntu/ppa-1855825 to focal?
[08:50] <vicamo> this contains fix for https://launchpad.net/bugs/1855825, current in -proposed kernel may cause all systems using backport-iwlwifi dkms to hang at connecting to WiFi base stations
[08:51] <vicamo> this is quite critical actually
[11:23] <vicamo> hi, anyone has some time to help upload https://launchpad.net/~vicamo/+archive/ubuntu/ppa-1855825 to focal?
[12:43] <cpaelzer> rbalint: the patch that you asked only has 2 chunks left that we need for current master
[12:43] <cpaelzer> rbalint: submitted as https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/14323
[12:52] <seb128> vicamo, hey, I sponsored your iwl fix now, I just changed the priority back to normal since I don't think that change anything for Ubuntu uploads, also would probably be good to get it reviewed/merged upstream before doing the SRU
[13:01] <vicamo> seb128: thank you
[13:48] <rbalint> cpaelzer, thanks!
[13:49] <cpaelzer> np
[13:49] <cpaelzer> if you have any eta on a 244 upload that would be great
[13:49] <cpaelzer> not like "please let it be asap" but like "I wonder when it would happen"
[16:57] <doko> seb128: I see you touched unity-gtk-module to port from py2 to py3 ... are you working on autopilot portage to python3?  asking because foundations thinks it should be just removed
[17:25] <ahasenack> rbasak: in debian one can file bugs against binary packages, right? What is the best form? In my case, the bug is in the "Depends" of a binary package, but that is of course fixed in the source's d/control
[17:25] <ahasenack> in other words, is filing bugs against binary packages just something to help beginners?
[17:27] <rbasak> No filing bugs against binary packages is the norm in Debian
[17:27] <rbasak> It's a little more granular
[17:27] <rbasak> I would file against the binary package that has the problem Depends line
[17:27] <rbasak> And usually I only file against a source package if there is no obvious binary package to file it against
[17:28] <xnox> ahasenack:  all my life i've been filing bugs against source packages only and nobody ever tried to reassign them from source to binary, and vice versa, or tell me off to file agains binary or source package
[17:28] <xnox> apart from how bugs.debian.org renders things, it makes no difference for closing them, or operating them by mail =)
[17:29] <ahasenack> I prever against the source too, it always annoys me when searching for debian bugs that I have to remember and search for bugs against the binary packages
[17:30] <xnox> well, one can search against source package too, it then renders _all_ bugs for source and all of its binaries
[17:31] <ahasenack> doesn't it just list the binary package names at the top and you have to click through them?
[17:31] <cjwatson> No if you go to e.g. bugs.debian.org/src:groff then it aggregates them all
[17:31] <ahasenack> "you might also want to look for bugs in ....." something like that
[17:31] <xnox> ie. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=boost1.67
[17:32] <xnox> ahasenack:  yes, that english can be misunderstood, it's subfiltered pages
[17:32] <xnox> strict subsets
[17:32] <ahasenack> ah, I see
[17:32] <ahasenack> thanks, saves me some time and removes the annoyance :)
[17:32] <seb128> doko, no, I'm not, autopilot or autopilot-legacy?
[17:33] <seb128> doko, I didn't suggest removing because I'm not sure it's not used in the daily iso automated testing job/jenkins, should check with jibel before doing anything
[17:33]  * xnox ponders to name next project i create one of: autopilot.io autopilot.ng autopilot autopilot-classic autopilot-legacy
[17:34] <xnox> seb128:  ubiquity might still be using it!
[17:34] <seb128> xnox, could be yes :)
[17:35]  * ahasenack hrms landscape used to have an autopilot
[17:35] <xnox> seb128:  i see it is using python3-autopilot
[17:35] <xnox> ahasenack:  that's a different product, from us, also called autopilot
[17:35] <xnox> there is juju/openstack autopilot, there is landscape autopilot, and a11y testing framework autopilot
[17:37] <ahasenack> I just still twitch when I read "autopilot" in an ubuntu channel
[17:38] <Laney> core
[17:48] <juliank> xnox: it's not just canonical, though, eh? - tesla also has one of these
[17:49] <juliank> I heard that even planes have those things
[18:29] <rafaeldtinoco> andersk: so
[18:29] <ahasenack> ahasenack
[18:29] <rafaeldtinoco> andersk: sorry
[18:29] <rafaeldtinoco> ahasenack: lol
[18:29] <bryce> :-)
[18:29] <rafaeldtinoco> ahasenack: so..
[18:29] <rafaeldtinoco> im doing a huge rebase now
[18:29] <rafaeldtinoco> ive done the split and logical
[18:29] <rafaeldtinoco> using git-ubuntu
[18:29] <rafaeldtinoco> now im the debian merge phase
[18:29] <ahasenack> merge onto new/debian, right?
[18:29] <rafaeldtinoco> my doubt is about doing all the initial merge without dropping the patches
[18:30] <rafaeldtinoco> ahasenack: yep
[18:30] <rafaeldtinoco> i think finishing the rebase
[18:30] <rafaeldtinoco> and revisiting each patch from series
[18:30] <ahasenack> I find it easier to finish the rebase, and taking notes while doing it (in the commit messages even)
[18:30] <rafaeldtinoco> might be easier
[18:30] <ahasenack> and then revisiting things and reorganizing
[18:30] <rafaeldtinoco> then you drop
[18:30] <rafaeldtinoco> if neede
[18:30] <rafaeldtinoco> correct ?
[18:30] <ahasenack> yes
[18:30] <rafaeldtinoco> ok
[18:30] <rafaeldtinoco> sounds good, let me try
[18:30] <rafaeldtinoco> u said u take notes
[18:30] <ahasenack> if it needs changing, then I do that during the rebase, ther eis no other way I think
[18:31] <rafaeldtinoco> i see
[18:31] <rafaeldtinoco> and then you do a quilt push -af
[18:31] <rafaeldtinoco> and check failures
[18:31] <rafaeldtinoco> and go rebasing
[18:31] <rafaeldtinoco> one by one
[18:31] <ahasenack> yes
[18:31] <rafaeldtinoco> ok
[18:31] <rafaeldtinoco> i was doing the same
[18:31] <rafaeldtinoco> but i was afraid there was something faster
[18:31] <rafaeldtinoco> which is not the case
[18:31] <rafaeldtinoco> lol
[18:31] <ahasenack> my largest rebase had I think 47 commits
[18:31] <ahasenack> and each one was conflicting
[18:31] <rafaeldtinoco> im glad you had snmp before
[18:31] <ahasenack> I almost lost my hair
[18:31] <rafaeldtinoco> u had lots of commits already
[18:32] <rafaeldtinoco> i had to rebase only the last fixes
[18:32] <rafaeldtinoco> =)
[18:32] <ahasenack> nice
[18:32] <rafaeldtinoco> but upstream dropped a bunch of your stuff
[18:32] <rafaeldtinoco> cause it went upstream
[18:32] <ahasenack> even better
[18:32] <rafaeldtinoco> now ill find those
[18:32] <rafaeldtinoco> yep
[18:32] <rafaeldtinoco> cool tks!
[18:32] <ahasenack> more work to find them, but less changes in the end
[18:32] <rafaeldtinoco> definitely!
[18:32] <rafaeldtinoco> but sometimes they dont give author
[18:32] <rafaeldtinoco> to the merge in debian :P
[18:32] <rafaeldtinoco> you have to track them down
[18:33] <rafaeldtinoco> I saw some of your pushes losing author in another package
[18:33] <rafaeldtinoco> tsc tsc
[18:33] <rafaeldtinoco> tks a lot
[18:34] <ahasenack> good luck
[21:05] <kanashiro> mwhudson, re runc test failure: I just added a comment to the bug I filled, when you have some time could you please check it out and see if it rings a bell for you?
[21:06] <kanashiro> btw I tried to rebuild it in eoan and faced the same problem
[21:07] <mwhudson> kanashiro: oh you are running the autopkgtest in the lxd backend?
[21:08] <mwhudson> not completely surprised that doesn't work, i guess
[21:08] <kanashiro> mwhudson, yes
[21:08] <mwhudson> time for some isolation-machine in debian/tests/control maybe
[21:09] <kanashiro> right, let me try to run it in a vm to check if they pass
[21:44] <kanashiro> mwhudson, you're right, it works fine in a vm and probably in a privileged container. Should I submit a MP for you adding this restriction?
[22:02] <mwhudson> kanashiro: yes please
[22:13] <kanashiro> mwhudson, I just figured out the the basic-smoke test it has already have isolation-machine restriction, the one which runs the unit tests is generated by Testsuite: autopkgtest-pkg-go via autodep8
[22:13] <kanashiro> I am not sure if there is a way to add a restriction to auto generated tests
[22:32] <mwhudson> kanashiro: ah hm
[22:32] <mwhudson> kanashiro: i think the deal with autodep8 tests is that if the automatically generated one doesn't work you should just write it by hand
[22:32] <mwhudson> kanashiro: but i might be wrong about that!
[23:08] <kanashiro> mwhudson, as reference: https://sources.debian.org/src/autodep8/0.21/support/go/generate/ and https://sources.debian.org/src/dh-golang/1.43/script/dh_golang_autopkgtest/
[23:10] <kanashiro> we can depend on dh-golang and run dh_golang_autopkgtest as they do and just add isolation-machine restriction
[23:10] <mwhudson> kanashiro: +1
[23:20] <kanashiro> mwhudson, should I let the target in d/changelog as UNRELEASED? or do you want to upload it with just this change?
[23:21] <mwhudson> kanashiro: leave it UNRELEASED for now
[23:21] <kanashiro> ack


[06:57] <om26er> gm
[07:06] <Saviq> om26er, hey, you asked yesterday where can you get the latest unity8 builds (and then said this was the wrong channel :D)
[07:07] <Saviq> om26er, it's the right channel, and the latest published builds are at ppa:phablet-team
[07:07] <Saviq> om26er, and we'll move to daily builds soon-ish
[07:28] <om26er> Saviq, sorry was on a call, that ppa does not seem to have unity8 at all
[07:28] <Saviq> om26er, https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=unity8&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[07:28] <om26er> or maybe it has qml-phone-shell but the saucy version have not updated for a while
[07:29] <Saviq> om26er, but yeah, it's a week old or so, we'll be releasing today
[07:29] <Saviq> om26er, since we're releasing manually we need to remember to put a changelog entry at some point, and we haven't been great at it
[08:05] <Saviq> fginther, ping
[08:27] <nic-doffay> Saviq, could we land that sdk branch soon? Just did a final push to it after adding documentation and doing a check.
[08:27] <Saviq> nic-doffay, not my call :)
[08:28] <Saviq> nic-doffay, someone from the sdk team should re-review / approve
[10:28] <Saviq> seb128, my turn... we have, until now, used a unity and libunity branches that were bumped to version 7.80 so that we're always newer than distro
[10:28] <Saviq> seb128, and now we want to get rid of those
[10:30] <Saviq> seb128, is there something we could do in debian/control of unity8 to Conflict / Break / Depend so that upgrading unity8 would force downgrading of the other packages?
[10:30] <seb128> no
[10:30] <seb128> the package management is not made for downgrades
[10:32] <seb128> you need the distro version bumped over the version you were using or to use an epoch (add a "1:" on start of the version, which means what follows is higher that the version that didn't have the 1:)
[10:32] <seb128> but you can't really automagically fix upgrades for the users who got those versions out of doing that version/epoch bump on the packages that need to be "downgraded"
[10:35] <Mirv> seb128: yes I heard, but I actually checked later in the morning that unlike the last time, the files are actually still there
[10:36] <Mirv> so I'm not sure what's the issue
[10:36] <mhr3> Saviq, you can be heard swearing even in london :P
[10:37] <Mirv> seb128: for example, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+sourcepub/3234004/+listing-archive-extra - the files are still all there (unlike for example for 13.05.23 snapshot), but it does say "removed from disk" at the top only 5 days after the build
[10:37] <Mirv> seb128: how it looked for the 13.05.08 when those failed earlier was https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+sourcepub/3214532/+listing-archive-extra - no files at all
[10:38] <Mirv> sil2100: I e-mailed Ken, and Mathieu about the SRU (since they're listed on the task in addition), cc:ing didier, I can forward that to you too
[10:38] <Saviq> mhr3, I'll just ignore it and tell people to upgrade their image :P
[10:38] <seb128> Mirv, yes please, did you talk to infinity on #ubuntu-release?
[10:38] <Mirv> seb128: I also made a backup of the .31 releases on Wednesday to https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/sru/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=raring manually (except for bamf which should be called ubuntu1 and was already reuploaded but also rejected for some reason)
[10:39] <Mirv> seb128: in PM
[10:39] <seb128> ok
[10:39] <Mirv> but he's sleeping now
[10:39] <seb128> well, as long as it's handled
[10:39] <Saviq> seb128, so to downgrade they'd have to explicitly say which versions to use?
[10:39] <seb128> Saviq, yes, like sudo apt-get install unity=7.0.0-0ubuntu3
[10:39] <sil2100> Mirv: please, if you can, since today I'm a bit too busy, but I'd like to be up-to-date while you're gone ;)
[10:39] <seb128> or unity/saucy
[10:39] <Mirv> seb128: I can see that reuploading the 6 other packages to the queue would be in order, on Monday when Didier's back with his upload rights
[10:40] <Saviq> seb128, good enough!
[10:40] <seb128> Mirv, aren't those uploads just done by jenkins?
[10:40] <seb128> Saviq, great ;-)
[10:40] <Mirv> sil2100: forwarded
[10:41] <Mirv> seb128: yes, but we can't reupload / ask for syncs for superseded packages, and we'd again need to review all the packages for the changes 13.05.31 -> 13.06.14. no problem otherwise, but we'd have the 13.05.31 packages ready to go similar to 13.05.08 earlier
[10:41] <sil2100> Mirv: thanks!
[10:41] <seb128> Mirv, ok, that makes sense
[10:41] <Mirv> and then jenkins would do the sync request for the new reviewed packages, they'd be in queue and expire again :)
[10:42] <Mirv> so even if these rejections were done needlessly (the files are still there), we can't redo the requests anyway so they're gone
[10:43] <Mirv> for the next SRU sync request, before SRU team rejecting it, it should be looked how the files that have not expired can be fetched
[10:48] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ci failed because of  #include <UnityCore/Lens.h> ?¿
[10:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yes
[10:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, sorry, we're switching to smart scopes
[10:48] <tsdgeos> ok :-)
[10:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, have to break some CI in the process
[10:49]  * tsdgeos ignores CI for a while and goes back to writing tests
[10:55]  * greyback getting good at using nmcli to manage his wifi
[11:05] <Cimi> Saviq, you think it makes sense to have Event as a separate component (like the calendar) I import in the menuitem?
[11:05] <Saviq> Cimi, I believe so
[11:05] <Saviq> Cimi, calendar is a separate component than an event, IMO
[11:08] <Cimi> Saviq, I was unclear
[11:08] <Cimi> Saviq, I meant, some menuitems contain all the code inside a Qml file
[11:08] <Cimi> Saviq, currently CalendarMenu and EventMenu
[11:08] <Cimi> import a separate component
[11:09] <Cimi> Calendar will be separate, wondering if Event will have to be separate as well
[11:18] <Cimi> I moved in back, less code
[11:19] <Cimi> (Event is merged in EventMenu)
[11:27] <greyback> Can someone confirm the version number of android-tools-adb package. I have 4.2.2+git20130218-3ubuntu8
[11:27] <Mirv> greyback: seems to be the same as I have
[11:28] <Mirv> on saucy, ubuntu8
[11:36] <greyback> Mirv: thanks.
[11:37] <greyback> adb is not working for me for some reason
[11:44] <Mirv> greyback: in which way? works here.
[11:44] <Mirv> greyback: what does adb devices give?
[11:44] <greyback> Mirv: a device ?????????. Let me reboot before I trouble shoot further, as my install is royally f**ked right now
[11:44] <Mirv> greyback: ???? usually means incorrect permissions
[11:45] <greyback> Mirv: bbiab
[12:18] <nic-doffay> Saviq, having issues running on device again: https://pastebin.canonical.com/92818/
[12:18] <nic-doffay> No idea why these packages can't be found.
[12:19] <Saviq> nic-doffay, we might be at fault here, we're trying to get the smart scopes going in CI and everything
[12:19] <Saviq> nic-doffay, but you should have this package already, unless you flashed recently?
[12:20] <nic-doffay> Saviq, I did flash recently.
[12:21] <Saviq> nic-doffay, you can download the packages from https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/3244988/+listing-archive-extra
[12:21] <Saviq> nic-doffay, and install manually on the device
[12:21] <Saviq> nic-doffay, https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa/+files/libdee-qt5-dev_3.0phablet2%7Esaucy1_armhf.deb
[12:21] <Saviq> nic-doffay, https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa/+files/libqtdee3_3.0phablet2%7Esaucy1_armhf.deb
[12:22] <Saviq> nic-doffay, https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa/+files/qtdeclarative5-dee-plugin_3.0phablet2%7Esaucy1_armhf.deb
[12:22] <nic-doffay> Saviq, ta
[12:22] <Saviq> nic-doffay, just put them on the device and "dpkg -i *deb" should be enough
[13:00] <nic-doffay> Saviq, still some other missing packages apparently.
[13:01] <Saviq> nic-doffay, full log from ./run_on_device -s please?
[13:02] <nic-doffay> Saviq, https://pastebin.canonical.com/92822/
[13:03] <Saviq> nic-doffay, dpkg -r libqtdee3
[13:03] <Saviq> nic-doffay, apt-get -f install
[13:03] <Saviq> nic-doffay, should help
[13:07] <nic-doffay> Saviq, it's just unity-core-6.0 that isn't found now.
[13:09] <Saviq> nic-doffay, sorry, you need https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa/+files/libunity-dev_7.80%7Ephablet3_armhf.deb and https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa/+files/libunity-core-6.0-dev_7.81%7Ephablet2_armhf.deb too
[13:12] <greyback> dandrader: yesterday you couldn't mumble because your sound devices were missing in saucy, right?
[13:13] <dandrader> greyback, yes, so I'm using my laptop that runs raring
[13:14] <dandrader> for mumble
[13:14] <greyback> dandrader: so you've no tips for me to fix it :) Oh well, I'll keep digging
[13:14] <dandrader> greyback, no. keep me posted. :) I think it will eventually work after some kernel update
[13:20] <seb128> mterry, hey, what's the status of https://launchpad.net/bugs/1155157 ? it's in the sponsoring queue, did you hold on upload waiting for some extra testing (from who?)?
[13:20] <fginther> Saviq, pong
[13:21] <nic-doffay> Saviq, still bust sadly.
[13:21] <tedg> sil2100, So it seems that the indicator stack didn't release...  what's the current issue?
[13:21] <Saviq> fginther, mzanetti briefed you already
[13:21] <mzanetti> sort of
[13:21] <mzanetti> fginther: but I lost track a bit myself...
[13:22] <mterry> seb128, someone else was working on uploading it, so I didn't.  /me is looking in mail for who
[13:22] <mzanetti> fginther: well, I have updated your job config so it runs. there is one "#TODO preinstall this stuff in the VM"
[13:22] <mzanetti> fginther: on the issues with unity8... I leave explanation to Saviq
[13:23] <fginther> mzanetti, ok, I was a bit baffled by the dependency issues
[13:23] <mzanetti> fginther: yeah... its a bit of a mess... it doesn't work with the phablet-team/ppa but also doesn't work without it - at least thats my current understanding
[13:23] <mzanetti> Saviq will correct me if I'm wrong :D
[13:24] <greyback> dandrader: probably yeah, but I don't have backup machine, so I'll just have to miss the standup
[13:25] <mterry> seb128, jmp was working on it
[13:25] <dandrader> greyback, you could dual boot. but that's a bit of a hassle
[13:25] <mzanetti> fginther: anyways, disregarding the issues we have with unity8, the mediumtests-runner-fginther job would work with the minimalistic VM's now
[13:26] <Saviq> mzanetti, kind of, yeah, but we should be able to enable phablet-team ppa now that I've dropped libunity and unity from it
[13:26] <dandrader> greyback, Otherwise I'm afraid we gonna miss your voice for quite some time
[13:26] <dandrader> :)
[13:27] <sil2100> tedg: eeh
[13:27] <fginther> mzanetti, so all you need installed in the VM are these : "recordmydesktop qmlscene ps-qa-tools xserver-xorg xinit x11-xserver-utils"?
[13:27] <sil2100> tedg: well, basically we can't safely release indicators without unity anyway
[13:27] <sil2100> tedg: so indicators is in daily-build, but unity still has issue, also due to hud
[13:27] <mzanetti> fginther: yep. that seems to be it... and for qmlscene only because of a workaround we need...
[13:28] <mzanetti> fginther: so I'm unsure if we should preinstall qmlscene or just install it in the workaround step
[13:28] <mzanetti> trying to save time the preinstallation would be good
[13:28] <Saviq> mzanetti, the potential remaining culprit is nux
[13:28] <tedg> sil2100, If unity fails, why can't we test indicators with the last released Unity?
[13:28] <Saviq> mzanetti, but let's make CI pass first and then we'll see if the packages work or not
[13:28] <seb128> mterry, ritz (who added the debdiff to the bug) work in jmp's team ... should I just sponsor the debdiff there?
[13:29] <mzanetti> Saviq: so I'll enable the phablet-team ppa back?
[13:29] <Saviq> mzanetti, not yet
[13:29] <fginther> mzanetti, I'll hold off a bit on updating the VMs
[13:29] <tedg> sil2100, Is this the same HUD thing with the BAMF errors?
[13:29] <ritz> seb123  which one is this ?
[13:29] <Saviq> mzanetti, let's make CI pass
[13:29] <ritz> seb128  which one is this ?
[13:29] <Saviq> mzanetti, for the new-libunity branch
[13:29] <mzanetti> fginther: yes please. I'll update you again on status in an hour or so
[13:29] <seb128> ritz, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/1155157
[13:29] <ritz> aah, thanks :)
[13:30] <fginther> mzanetti, cool
[13:30] <mterry> seb128, yeah debdiff should be fine
[13:30] <seb128> mterry, thanks
[13:31] <mterry> seb128, I probably should have just uploaded a while ago, but mentally I was like "someone else is on it"
[13:31] <seb128> mterry, no worry, it's on its way to be uploaded which is what matters ;-)
[13:35] <sil2100> tedg: the same AP failures as before
[13:35] <sil2100> tedg: gedit save and app_activate_on_enter
[13:36] <sil2100> tedg: and the same thing - no HUD results for gedit it seems
[13:36] <sil2100> ;/
[13:55] <greyback> dandrader: where can I get the repo for ubuntu-qtlocation-plugin ?
[13:55] <greyback> I think I'm gonna do a clean install over the weekend. Too many things are now broken, I'm fighting more with my install than getting work done
[13:57] <nic-doffay> Saviq, still having an issue with unity-core.
[13:57] <Saviq> nic-doffay, log please?
[13:58] <dandrader> greyback, searching...
[14:01] <dandrader> greyback, https://code.launchpad.net/~rocket-scientists/aal+/ubuntu-qtlocation-plugin
[14:04] <greyback> dandrader: thank you
[14:04] <greyback> dandrader: it's private still?
[14:11] <nic-doffay> Saviq, https://pastebin.canonical.com/92835/
[14:20] <mzanetti> dandrader: hey, I just noticed (probably you know it already) that ever since we switched to the touch input stuff, scroll wheels are not working any more
[14:20] <mzanetti> dandrader: not a bit deal right now... but if its easy to enable we probably could/should
[14:21] <Saviq> nic-doffay, you didn't remove libqtdee3
[14:22] <Saviq> nic-doffay, what does "apt-get -f install" say?
[14:28] <nic-doffay> Saviq, I did.
[14:29] <nic-doffay> apt-get -f install doesn't install anything.
[14:30] <Saviq> nic-doffay, then you didn't install libunity-core-6.0-dev
[14:31] <Saviq> nic-doffay, https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa/+files/libunity-core-6.0-dev_7.81%7Ephablet2_armhf.deb
[14:32] <dandrader> mzanetti, yeah, I know
[14:41] <tedg> sil2100, I think this should help a bit, you should retry the stack when this lands: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/hud/active-window/+merge/169429
[14:42] <tedg> sil2100, I'm not sure it'll fix all the issues, but probably the gedit items.  Seems Unity changed it's startup of HUD and also a bunch of window names.
[14:43] <sil2100> tedg: excellent! Do you know why gedit was affected so much? Was it being invalidly blacklisted or something?
[14:44] <tedg> sil2100, No, HUD was getting started when the HUD dialog was up instead of before then.  So it was thinking the focused window was the HUD one, which was blacklisted.
[14:44] <tedg> sil2100, Before HUD would get started earlier, so it'd know about gedit.
[14:44] <sil2100> Ah, ok, makes sense, good catch
[14:44] <sil2100> The merger might take a while since there's a lot of merges pilled up
[14:45] <sil2100> Just hope it didn't hang up or anything...
[14:45] <tedg> K, mine is little though :-)
[15:34] <donoban> hi, I've just installed Unity on OpenSuse 12.2 and have two problems
[15:35] <donoban> first I haven't top panel and notification area, need to do ctrl+space+backspace for log out :\
[15:36] <donoban> and second I've get an error trying to set up properly two monitor config
[15:43] <donoban> any idea?
[15:43] <donoban> I don't know even how debug it
[15:45] <Saviq> fginther, ping
[15:45] <fginther> Saviq, pong
[15:55] <dandrader> Saviq, quick one. You might like it. https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity/8_directionEnum/+merge/169472
[15:56] <Saviq> dandrader, lol :D
[16:12] <sil2100> tedg: hi!
[16:13] <tedg> Howdy sil2100
[16:13] <sil2100> tedg: I re-ran the machinery for HUD and we still get those 2 gedit failures
[16:13] <tedg> sil2100, Really?
[16:13] <tedg> Hmm, that's odd.
[16:13] <sil2100> No idea what's going wrong, since the same thing is happening, but I see it's using the latest package, so the fix should be in...
[16:13] <tedg> Can you give me the link that run?
[16:14] <sil2100> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/autopilot-saucy-daily_release/113/
[16:14] <sil2100> Fresh and tasty, finished a few minutes ago ;)
[16:18] <tedg> sil2100, Can you grab ~/.cache/upstart/hud.log from that run?
[16:20] <bregma> hey all, I try to run Unity8 on my desktop and it errors immediately with a 'module "Ubuntu.Application" is not installed' error at line 18 in Shell.qml...  is there a package not in the dependency list that I need to install?
[16:25] <dandrader> bregma, did you use the "run" script?
[16:25] <bregma> no "run" script ships in the binary deb, and the one in the source tree apparently requires the build environemnt to be present
[16:26] <dandrader> bregma, check the CODING file in the root dir of unity8
[16:26] <dandrader> bregma, if you follow the steps there it will "just work"
[16:27] <dandrader> bregma, the unity8 packages are meant for the phone. won't work on the desktop AFAIK
[16:28] <sil2100> tedg: one moment
[16:29] <bregma> dandrader, I am trying to make Unity8 work on the desktop, that's the point....  so do you know where the "Ubuntu.Application" comes from?
[16:29] <dandrader> bregma, qtubuntu
[16:30] <dandrader> bregma, you might have to write a Qt Platform Plugin for the Ubuntu Desktop...
[16:30] <dandrader> so that it fetches the write icons, for instance
[16:31] <bregma> sounds like fun, thanks for the pointer
[16:31] <sil2100> tedg: this will take a few minutes
[16:31] <dandrader> bregma, btw unity8 has a fake version of Ubuntu.Application (so that you can play around with unity8 on the desktop). you might want to have a look at it
[16:32] <dandrader> in the source tree
[16:32] <tedg> sil2100, Ah, okay.  Thanks!
[16:42]  * greyback eow
[16:53] <sil2100> tedg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5765294/
[16:55] <sil2100> tedg: sorry it took so long
[17:48] <s1ck> Hi! I have a problem - my gtk applications are looking crappy - I don't think they get themed anymore. How do I fix this?
[17:57] <Mckbrother> Hello together. I have some problems with my GTK Toolkit on 13.04 I think. I've reinstalled Ubuntu yesterday and now, every application which uses GTK looks very weird (old buttons, old icons, ...). Does anybody knows a solution hot to fix this?
[17:58] <bschaefer> sil2100, hey, im not really sure about that crash you asked me to look into :(, i've not been able to reproduce it...
[18:05] <tedg> sil2100, Thanks, getting back from lunch.
[18:05] <tedg> sil2100, No issue.
[18:09] <mterry> mmrazik|afk, heyo.  Just a quick poke as a followup to that jenkins/gmail email subject bug.  I still have been getting the occasional email with the header "Re: [Merge] autolanding tests passed"
[18:52] <bregma> *huehuehue* now running Unity 8 as my default desktop on Saucy.... edge swipe is not so useful, it pops back in right away before I can touch any buttons in the launcher
[18:52] <bregma> needs work
[18:52] <bregma> :)
[18:52] <mmrazik|afk> mterry: oh...
[18:52] <mmrazik|afk> mterry: my bad
[18:52] <mmrazik|afk> let me reopen the bug
[19:06] <mmrazik|afk> fginther: if you have a sec (fixes the gmail conversations again): https://code.launchpad.net/~mrazik/jenkins-launchpad-plugin/lp1187002-take-2/+merge/169524
[19:06] <mmrazik|afk> this time I've grep-ed the source code and get_vote_subject seems to be used everywhere
[19:27] <dandrader> bregma, wow. Are you emulating touch events?
[19:28] <bregma> nope, it's a touchscreen
[19:28] <dandrader> ah, nice :)
[19:29] <fginther> mmrazik|afk, ack
[20:03] <om26er> mhall119, Yo! read what that guy have to say: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/06/ubuntu-touch-apps-arrive-on-ubuntu-desktop#comment-930848551
[21:59] <gotwig> mhall119, hey ho, lets go :O
[21:59] <gotwig> I have a problem when using bigger fonts with the unity applications scope, in preview mode
[22:00] <gotwig> The string for "Free Download" does get cut, in the German version
[22:00] <gotwig> now I asked to use instead of "Kostenlos Herunterladen" "Gratis Installieren", and asked the German translators to review it, but they said they are not going to apply this suggestion
[22:00] <gotwig> "Gratis Installieren" =  "Install Gratis"
[22:42] <mhall119> gotwig-afk: is there room enough for them to just make the button bigger?
[22:44] <gotwig-afk> mhall119, I dont know, does Unity support this?
[22:45] <gotwig-afk> IMHO its sounds strange, at least in German. If users are not familiar with Ubuntu, they maybe could think, downloading is just the first step, installation another. I would go for "Install for free" or something like that, as the string for the button
[22:46] <mhall119> gotwig-afk: I don't know, but it should make a reasonable attempt to display the text properly
[22:46] <gotwig-afk> mhall119, do you think "Free Download" is a good string here?
[22:47] <mhall119> gotwig-afk: I don't have an opinion, but probably they want to keep it as close to the same meaning as possible across all languages
[22:48] <gotwig-afk> mhall119, In the software center it talks about "Installing" right?
[22:48] <mhall119> for libre apps it does
[22:48] <mhall119> for closed-source I think it says "buy"
[22:49] <gotwig-afk> mhall119, I am going to report a bug report, suggesting to just use "Install", like in the software center
[22:50] <mhall119> gotwig-afk: use the bug report to say that the german translation won't fit
[22:50] <mhall119> you can offer that as a suggestion, but it would likely require changing every language's strings to the equiv of "Install"
[22:50] <gotwig-afk> mhall119, I dont know if its just my stupid mind, but I think the string "Free Download" does not fit the purpose
[22:50] <mhall119> the Unity devs might just decide to allow more button space
[22:51] <mhall119> gotwig-afk: maybe so, but it's not something we can change in just the German translation
[22:51] <gotwig-afk> I know that are two different projects, but we could use the same strings from the software center button for "install"
[22:52] <gotwig-afk> mhall119, I am not even sure the size of the button can change. they are equivalent long, the first and the second one.
[22:52] <gotwig-afk> mhall119, https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#inbox/13f4145c136ec036
[22:52] <gotwig-afk> lol ^^ I am sorry
[22:52] <gotwig-afk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-applications/+bug/1190861
[22:54] <gotwig-afk> mhall119, do you think it makes sense to report a bug, so maybe the string can be changed from "Free Download" to just "Install"?
[22:54] <mhall119> like I said, report that the german string doesn't fit, then offer that as a possible solution
[22:55] <gotwig-afk> mhall119, you see I already reported the German string thing, yesterday
[22:56] <mhall119> I would just comment on that then that Install would make it fit


[01:11] <akgraner> woot - rolled back to 3.5.0-18 and it seems to work - I'll try and publish this again now - no more updates til I get this done
[01:11] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: sorry, can I help? (my ZNC died earlier)
[01:11] <akgraner> sure the wiki is ready to go  - I've removed the "work in progress" can you run the scripts and send me a link to the output
[01:11] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, ^^^
[01:11] <JoseeAntonioR> yes, for sure, just give me one second
[01:11] <akgraner> thank you
[01:14] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: joseeantonior.com/299 should have everything, I'm still working on ubuntu-news.email as the script is broken
[01:15] <JoseeAntonioR> I'll be back in a bit, znc is taking too much memory
[01:15] <akgraner> k
[01:19] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, thank you!
[01:19] <JoseeAntonioR> btw, forums and ubuntu-news.email have no line breaks :(
[01:20] <akgraner> I've got one of the kernel team guys helping me right this second so...
[01:20] <Unit193> As long as my script is working, only OMGUbuntu is down.
[01:20] <akgraner> ok if you them to me  - I can fix them
[01:20] <JoseeAntonioR> it's up
[01:20] <JoseeAntonioR> the outputs are in joseeantonior.com/299 (with no line breaks)
[01:21] <akgraner> Thank you  - I'm there
[01:21] <JoseeAntonioR> :)
[01:21] <akgraner> :-)
[01:23] <akgraner> I <3 this team.  You all are awesome!
[01:23] <Unit193> Except me. ;)
[01:24] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: thanks to you for re-building it
[01:25]  * akgraner blushes that honor needs to go to pleia2
[01:27] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, there is a sprint this week so I am trying to get some of the folks there to record some stuff for us
[01:27] <akgraner> will know more tomorrow or wednesday
[01:27] <JoseeAntonioR> ohhh, right, the recordings!
[01:28] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, it's fine, just let me know
[01:30] <akgraner> will do
[01:32] <akgraner> ok new kernel installed - back to publishing :-)
[01:35] <Unit193> According to my script, all links are good except for the OMGUbuntu one.  (Not sure if it was clear my last statement)
[01:35] <akgraner> yep :-)  I knew what you meant
[01:36] <akgraner> thank you
[01:36] <Unit193> Alright, great.  I've been known to be unclear. :P
[01:39] <akgraner> you're fine and Thank you for your help
[01:53] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, just so you know - when that happens and there line breaks get messed up - you can use the raw text from the wiki and just clean it up a little - quicker than trying to insert the breaks
[01:53] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, great then
[01:54] <JoseeAntonioR> so I'd just need to change the links part, basically
[01:57] <akgraner> no the links stay the same
[01:57] <akgraner> you pull out any ##
[01:57] <akgraner> change the last line
[01:57] <akgraner> and pull out everything above the welcome
[01:57] <akgraner> :-)
[01:57] <akgraner> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue299
[01:57] <akgraner> can someone see if this is in their inbox from -news  incase it's hung in moderation
[01:58] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: here it is
[01:59] <akgraner> ok cool
[01:59] <akgraner> :-)
[01:59] <akgraner> working on Fridge post and forums now
[01:59] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: fridge goes with script
[01:59] <akgraner> :-) ok let me look then
[03:04] <akgraner> pleia2, everything is published
[03:05] <akgraner> I'll update the wiki in a few - I haven't social media'd anything yet though
[05:24] <pleia2> akgraner: thnks! :)
[05:24] <pleia2> akgraner: Jasna handles social media now via the ubuntu_news twitter account (and facebook, and g+)
[05:25] <pleia2> of course you're welcome to do it personally :)
[11:23] <akgraner> :-)


[00:18] <leagris> hello, any-one here reading?
[00:45] <KE1HA> I am, but not allot happening :-)
[00:56] <leagris> :)
[00:57] <leagris> KE1HA: I wondered about what is the official acceptable policy about promoting and providing other support chat services for ubuntu? I joined a jabber.org channel that was created by an individual. Would it be appropriate to spread word about it and have it documented somewhere in community wiki? It is an XMPP protocl chat users can join with telepathy or pidgin here xmpp://conference.jabber.org/u
[00:57] <leagris> buntu
[00:59] <leagris> I really thing #ubuntu is overcrowded to be en efficient channel. Summer help redince number of users but, in other times, this makes reading discussions there a mess
[00:59] <leagris> reduce
[03:09] <KE1HA> leagris, I think the ubuntu channels and wikis are all about Ubuntu, so i dont think they'd go for that.
[04:18] <j1mc> nhandler: i was away at yoga class, but i read my irc log of the mtg
[11:00] <zkriesse> hello trijntje
[11:01] <trijntje> hi
[14:42] <leagris> hello zkriesse trijntje


[11:37] <sacater> hey
[11:37] <sacater> I have a compaq Armada M700
[11:37] <sacater> when I load up, i get a message 'Bios Age, something something ACPI, something, shutoff
[11:38] <sacater> it is right at the beggining
[11:38] <sacater> after grub
[11:38] <sacater> would it be in system logs?


[00:06] <Pricey> Haha.... scheduled to talk at lrl us
[00:06] <Pricey> Matthew Garrett (Power Management / Anger)
[00:08] <Pricey> I wonder if that is power as in "rawr I have ops!!! I had better be careful how many people I kick", or "hmmm laptop won't turn on"
[00:08] <Pricey> :P
[00:10] <LjL> lrl?
[00:12] <Pricey> lugradio live
[00:12] <LjL> ah
[00:12] <LjL> Pricey: i bet it is more like "how to make your keyboard last more than 3 months modulo coffee drops"
[00:14] <Pricey> LjL, so are you driving up for lrl uk?
[00:14] <LjL> Pricey: yup, i've even fitted my car with some floaters to pass the channel
[00:14] <Pricey> LjL, you can take it on the train...?
[00:15] <LjL> Pricey: yeah, well, anyway, it was a no :)
[00:15] <Pricey> how rude
[00:16]  * LjL sometimes crosses the city border, but is always anxious when doing so
[00:17] <LjL> besides, i don't see myself driving on the left either
[00:35] <Seeker`> LjL: its not that hard to get used to
[00:40] <nalioth> LjL: no, it's actually not hard to get used to at all
[00:40] <Seeker`> its driving on the right thats odd
[00:40] <nalioth> the first near head-on collision will cause your brain to keep the correct side of the road foremost in your mind
[00:41] <Seeker`> heh
[00:41] <Seeker`> I've known people that have driven on the left on the continent, and every time they went to change gear, they ended up hitting the door with their arm
[00:42] <Seeker`> nalioth: do they believe in gears wherever it is you are from?
[00:42]  * nalioth drives a huge truck with 5 of them
[00:42] <Seeker`> AIUI most americans drive automatics
[00:42] <Seeker`> not so sure about the rest of europe
[00:42] <nalioth> most americans are *******
[00:43] <Seeker`> rest of europe = europe - UK
[00:44] <LjL> nalioth: what happens if those first near collisions are not near?
[00:45] <nalioth> LjL: then you won't have to worry about the correct side of the road  :(
[00:45] <LjL> Seeker`: we drive manual
[00:45] <LjL> nalioth: point
[00:45]  * Seeker` misses driving :(
[00:45] <LjL> and uhm, yeah, i think it might be harder to get used to the position in the car, than to the keeping-the-left thing itself
[00:45] <nalioth> LjL: i'd recommend renting an English car
[00:45] <LjL> but if i came with my own car that wouldn't be an issue
[00:46] <nalioth> LjL: it's harder in your own car
[00:46] <nalioth> you revert back to your usual driving habits (and veer into the right lane as is your usual wont)
[00:46]  * Seeker` wonders if the pedals are reversed in a Left hand drive car
[00:46] <nalioth> Seeker`: nope
[00:46] <LjL> but i'd put in the fifth instead of the first! =)
[00:46] <LjL> Seeker`: ...
[00:47] <Seeker`> LjL: ?
[00:47] <LjL> Seeker`: what an interesting idea :P
[00:47] <LjL> anyway i thought left-hand cars were also relatively common in the uk
[00:47] <Seeker`> not afaik
[00:47] <Seeker`> they do exist, just not that many of them
[00:48] <Seeker`> 99% are probably right hand drive
[00:48] <LjL> anyway what is true is that, by foot, it was easier to learn to look right first when i went to the UK, than to re-learn to look left when i went back home
[00:49] <LjL> i guess it was obviously because i was paying attention in the UK, while when i came back i wouldn't
[00:50] <Seeker`> I recently did "pass plus", which is something for drivers who have recently passed their test - they do 6 hours of driving with an instructor covering night, all weather, town, country, dual carriadge and motorway driving
[00:50] <Seeker`> my instructor would often ask me why i was in gear x coming up to a junction
[00:51] <Seeker`> and I quite often couldn't tell him, becuase I just did what seemed natural, I wasn't thinking about it
[00:51] <LjL> nalioth: also you know, while of course it's not comparable to reality, i used a little driving simulator software based on US roads (and also one based on european ones), and i was *really* put off in the US one by the fact that the traffic lights were only on the opposite side of the crossing, not your own. now i've no idea if that's like that everywhere... but i always ended up not noticing the light
[00:52] <LjL> Seeker`: i'm usually in gear X because it's what keeps me around 2500 RPM ;)
[00:52] <Seeker`> although I think his choice of gears was a bit dodgy - we would be driving through town at ~25mph, and he would tell me to keep it in 2nd - his poor engine was whining so badly :(
[00:53] <Seeker`> but as soon as we got out of town, he would complain that I dont go up to 4th quick enough
[00:55] <nalioth> LjL: we have traffic lights on poles on our side of the street, on poles on the opposite side of the street, on wires on our side, on wires on the other side, etc
[00:55] <Seeker`> nalioth: where do you live?
[00:55] <nalioth> Seeker`: Texas
[00:55] <Pricey> if he told you that he'd have to kline you
[00:56]  * Pricey loses
[00:56] <LjL> nalioth: *shrug* that simulator had them only on the opposite side... anyway it must be like that in some places of the US, because i'm pretty sure i read it somewhere in a "what's different when driving in europe" for americans
[00:56]  * nalioth loves guests
[00:56] <Pricey> party at nalioth's place!!!
[00:56] <nalioth> LjL: you come visit me, and i'll show you all 4 types i mentioned above, plus some you'll absolutely freak out when you see
[00:57]  * no0tic joins LjL in his trip
[00:57] <nalioth> LjL: oooooh, and when you come, bring money and I'll take you to New Jersey and show you that clusterf*** they call a street and road system
[00:58] <LjL> nalioth: well we have some i love here. such as the all-lights-on ones. you can get a green arrow, a yellow, and a red all together - and in turin i'm pretty sure i've seen some where the green wasn't an arrow, just a plain green... i suppose it still meant you couldn't turn, but i'm still not sure
[00:58] <nalioth> all green and not an arrow here means you don't have a protected turning situation
[00:58]  * Seeker` wonders how people would feel about the magic roundabout in swindon
[00:59] <LjL> nalioth: but green *and* red?
[00:59]  * nalioth has been through many roundabouts in Europe and the UK
[00:59] <LjL> Seeker`: i'm sure most of us have seen pictures. i'd feel like i'd instruct my GPS to avoid it.
[00:59] <nalioth> LjL: we never mix our colors here
[00:59] <Seeker`> nalioth: You seen the magic roundabout?
[00:59] <nalioth> Seeker`: not sure, i've been through quite a few
[00:59] <LjL> nalioth: well what i'm saying is *all* lights were on - red, yellow and green
[00:59] <Seeker`> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_(Swindon)
[01:00] <nalioth> LjL: sounds like a fault to me
[01:00] <Seeker`> that roundabout in swindon is actually on a couple of driving test routes
[01:01] <LjL> nalioth: could be, but i think i saw more than one. anyway, the milan ones (i.e. green arrow, yellow, and red all together) are already a bit baffling to me - although i've got used to understanding what they mean
[01:01] <LjL> Seeker`: hm the WP article doesn't have the most impressive photos though
[01:01] <Seeker`> LjL: No, but it gets the idea across
[01:02] <LjL> yeah but this is better http://vanrees.org/thesis/swindon.jpg
[01:02] <no0tic> LjL, I saw them too
[01:02] <nalioth> Seeker`: didn't make it to Swindon, unfortunately
[01:02]  * nalioth took a German car to the UK
[01:02] <Seeker`> nalioth: whereabouts in the UK have you been?
[01:04] <nalioth> London
[01:04] <nalioth> some other places that I don't remember as I was driving around
[01:05]  * nalioth drove around the whole of the UK
[01:05] <Seeker`> any particular reason?
[01:05] <nalioth> just went there to have a look around
[01:05] <Seeker`> fair enough
[01:05] <Seeker`> any parts you particularly liked?
[01:06] <nalioth> well, i found London very interesting and could have spend my entire vacation time there
[01:06] <nalioth> unfortunately, my friend wanted to see specific spots all over the UK and Europe during our vacation time
[01:07] <LjL> yeah i'm tired of this lapland now, let's drive to sicily
[01:07] <Seeker`> Bath is nice :) as is quite a lot of cornwall
[01:07] <Seeker`> Lands End was fun
[01:09]  * nalioth was chased by a crazed Scots storekeeper
[01:10] <Seeker`> heh
[01:11] <Pricey> lol.... nalioth drove around the UK for fun...
[01:12] <nalioth> yep, it was fun, too
[01:12]  * nalioth loved the looks he got from fellow drivers when he unrolled his window to ask for directions at the traffic lights . . .
[01:12] <Seeker`> did you have to do that often?
[01:13] <Pricey> haha
[01:13] <Seeker`> how long ago did you do this?
[01:13] <Pricey> hahah
[01:13] <nalioth> this was back in 1991
[01:13] <Seeker`> wow, quite a while ago then
[01:13] <nalioth> back when you lot were mostly kiddies
[01:13] <Seeker`> (I was 5 at the time)
[01:15] <Seeker`> nalioth: does that make you feel old?
[01:16] <nalioth> i don't feel old at all
[01:22] <LjL> i do, and i was a kiddie in 91
[01:24]  * no0tic 8 in '91
[01:24] <Seeker`> heh
[01:52] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-us-oh, tnseditor said: ubotu is a bot, and eddieftw is from Chicago
[02:34] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, recon said: !furby is fun to microwave.
[04:09] <nzk> Alright, it had been over a year. 13 months, give or take a few days. Can I finally be unbanned from -offtopic?
[04:18] <nzk> I think it was Hobbsee that banned me, if it helps at all.
[04:19] <nickrud> nzk: seems like the regular ops aren't around right now, you should check back in an hour or two
[04:20] <nzk> Alright. Is it okay if I wait here?
[04:20] <nickrud> yes.
[05:20] <Myrtti> huomenta
[05:27] <vircuser> hello. I wanted to ask about bundling systems that we sell with ubuntu
[05:28] <vircuser> is anyone here who could give me an official contact I could forward my questions to?
[05:28] <nalioth> vircuser: try #canonical
[05:29] <vircuser> ok thanks
[05:30] <vircuser> nope, doesn't work..
[05:30] <vircuser> redirects me to an https domain
[05:33] <Hobbsee> try #canonical-sysadmins
[05:57] <emmajane> Out of curiosity: is there a way to NOT allow the user name "stupidgirl"? Check #ubuntu
[05:59] <stdin> emmajane: I don't see them misbehaving in #ubuntu
[05:59] <emmajane> erm. it's the name itself.
[05:59] <emmajane> i take issue with "stupid" being used as a name and especially when associated with "girl"
[06:00] <stdin> how do you know that the user isn't female?
[06:00] <emmajane> I don't really care what gender they are.
[06:01] <emmajane> that's not the point.
[06:01] <emmajane> I have an issue with people seeing "stupid" next to "girl" repeatedly.
[06:02] <Seveas> emmajane, this is not a place to get help with your "issues"
[06:02] <tonyyarusso> I don't have an issue with the name, but iirc we have had problems with that user before, so worth watching
[06:02] <Seveas> tonyyarusso, yup, was about to say
[06:02]  * emmajane has an issue with the name and if these are the ops then I'm pretty sure this is the place I'd report having an issue. Am I wrong about that?
[06:03] <Seveas> emmajane, yes. Ops don't deal with people's emotional issues.  Not her actions right now :)
[06:06] <Seveas> stdin, you offend me. Change your nick to stderr to admit you are wrong.
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> emmajane: If a user was calling another user stupid, you would have a case, but I don't think any of us see a problem with self-reference.
[06:06] <nickrud> rflol
[06:06] <Seveas> :)
[06:07]  * emmajane notes the lack of respect taht her issue is being given. Duly noted and thank you for your attention.
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> weird
[06:08] <tonyyarusso> Disagreement is lack of respect now?
[06:08]  * stdin could come up with a woman joke here, but won't for fear of offending the pope
[06:09]  * nickrud looks around, and notices it was all male
[06:09] <Seveas> I doubt elkbuntu or hobbsee would disagree with it
[06:09] <tonyyarusso> nickrud: True, so we'll have this line ping elkbuntu in case she'd like to chime in.
[06:10] <tonyyarusso> nickrud: although they said it didn't matter which gender it was, so if we simply believe that it's not a problem.
[06:11] <nickrud> tonyyarusso: <emmajane> i take issue with "stupid" being used as a name and especially when associated with "girl"
[06:11] <stdin> I don't think they would have cared so much if it was "boy"
[06:11] <stdin> or they'd have asked for a ban on *stupid*!*@*
[06:12] <tonyyarusso> nickrud: I'd rather pay attention to the latter of the two contradictory statements, since it supports my point better.  :P
[06:12] <nickrud> heh
[06:13] <nickrud> anyone seen LjL 's cumulative #ubuntu irc stats <preens>
[06:13]  * nickrud wonders why he spends so much time there
[06:14]  * no0tic had
[06:14] <no0tic> nickrud, nice job
[06:15] <nickrud> The really amazing thing was bob2 was so high in the list, and he hasn't been around for at least a couple years (that I've seen)
[06:16] <no0tic> nickrud, counting lines, not chars
[06:16] <no0tic> nickrud, yes, chars too, indeed :)
[06:17] <nickrud> he was the abolute best I've ever seen
[06:22] <elkbuntu> stupidgirl is a known troll
[06:23] <nickrud> the question is about the nick itself, though
[06:47] <vircuser> what about stupidneuter?
[06:47] <vircuser> that wouldn't offend a gender would it?
[06:47] <vircuser> would stupidgenius offend geniuses?
[06:51] <vircuser> how about stupidvista? ;)
[07:11] <elkbuntu> there's been unofficial bob2s over the years too
[09:19] <ubotu> dgjones called the ops in #ubuntu (pocketsnooker (spamming a game website & trolling earlier))
[09:54] <dgjones> Hi if anybody is here, pocketsnooker is back spamming his games site link again, just done it one so far
[09:54] <dgjones> sorry, in #ubuntu
[09:54] <Gary> he is kickbanned now
[09:55] <dgjones> Thanks Gary
[10:30]  * jussi01 walks in
[10:30] <jpatrick> yo jussi01
[10:32] <jussi01> heya jpatrick anythin interesting happening?
[10:32] <jpatrick> suffering
[10:32] <jpatrick> at school forced to code VB
[10:32] <jussi01> heh, me also - stupid thesis prep course
[10:33] <jpatrick> we need to learn real languages
[10:33] <no0tic> jussi01, thesis prep course? they teach you how to write a thesis?
[10:33] <jussi01> no0tic: yeah... sigh...
[10:33] <no0tic> jussi01, nice
[11:44] <vircuser> you can always make a  'grown up' language out of it by adding assembly code ;)
[11:44] <vircuser> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~draw3d/assembly.html
[11:44] <vircuser> e.g.
[12:25] <Pici> !ping
[12:25] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[12:30] <Gary> hehe
[13:21] <Pici> hrm.
[13:22] <Pici> I dont think we should be suggesting ebox.
[13:22] <ikonia> I mentioned this earlier
[13:22] <ikonia> (as in a few weeks ago)
[13:22] <ikonia> ( I agreed )
[13:22] <ikonia> agee I should say
[13:22] <ikonia> (spelling)
[13:23] <ikonia> any particular reason your not for it Pici
[13:23] <Pici> (!enter), anyway, ebox-firewall appears to disallow any incoming connections, which is bad if you're installing remotely.
[13:23] <Pici> bug 129090
[13:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129090 in ebox-firewall "eBox doesn't allow outgoing connections from eBox server itself." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129090
[13:23] <ikonia> Thats a bit more of a specific reason
[13:24] <Pici> 2 People in #ubuntu right now just installed it and lost the ability to do anything remotely.
[13:24] <ikonia> not a good situation
[13:24] <Pici> I *think* thats the same bug#
[13:25] <ikonia> sounds like  reasonable assumption
[13:46] <Pricey> About the "stupidgirl" nick above.
[13:47] <Pici> Eh?
[13:47] <Pricey> If 'she' had come into the channel, and started "oh I'm a girl, but I'm so clueless, won't one of you strong men help me?" then yeah just kick them out. If they're acting fine then leave it.
[13:47] <Pricey> I see no problem with the nick itself.
[13:47] <Pici> Me either.
[13:48] <Pricey> vircuser, WarrenHW, Hello there. Can I help you?
[13:48] <Pici> I refer to figure 1: todays xkcd.
[13:48] <Pici> http://www.xkcd.com/385/
[13:49] <Pricey> I don't get the math...
[13:49] <Pricey> but the generalisation is fun.
[13:49] <Pricey> I still haven't gotten over 383 though :(
[13:59] <Mez> 383 = Randall Stalking me
[14:17] <ikonia> Pici: I see what you mean, another use with ebox issues has join #ubuntu
[14:39] <ubotu> NthDegree called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[15:19] <Pricey> Hey there stylus_, how can I help?
[15:20] <stylus_> pricey: sorry, kind of joined by accident.
[15:20] <stylus_> this channel was on the autojoin list from a long long time ago.
[15:24] <Tm_T> 1719.02 -!- ki<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #kubuntu
[15:24] <Tm_T> 1719.02 -!- ki is "tomcruise"
[15:24] <Tm_T> 1719.04 < ki>  shut up youre watching top gear donkey sex on steroids that physically makes you hurt sometimes if you are not cool after playing chess cranking that soulja boy that sings different to teh way they sound meaning that sometimes they go outside
[15:24] <Pici> Tm_T: I know.
[15:24] <Tm_T> Pricey: do you know?
[15:24] <Pici> Tm_T: I informed #freenode about it.
[15:25] <Pici> He did the same thing in #defocus
[15:25] <Tm_T> Pici: aah, splendid :))
[15:37] <Pricey> Hi hk2999, how can I help?
[15:38] <hk2999> i was banned from ubuntu-offtopic years ago
[15:38] <hk2999> uh... months actually
[15:38] <hk2999> i want to know if i can be unbanned now.
[15:39] <hk2999> i think the name of the one who banned me was Pici
[15:39] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[15:39]  * Mez shoves sock in Myrtti's mouth
[15:39] <Myrtti> sorry
[15:39] <Mez> @btlogin
[15:39] <Myrtti> my bad
[15:40] <Mez> :P
[15:40] <Pricey> hk2999, remember why you were banned?
[15:40] <Pricey> quiet children
[15:40]  * Pici is here, fyi.
[15:40] <hk2999> i compared sabdfl for hitler
[15:40] <Pricey> you can deal with it if you want then Pici? :)
[15:41] <hk2999> hey Pici, it's been months now, and i miss my offtopic, so can i be unbanned now?
[15:41] <Pici> hk2999: Its been 18 days. Secondly, thats what you were banned for, do you know *why* you were banned though?
[15:42] <hk2999> yeah, the hitler thing?
[15:42]  * hk2999 is never gonna do it again
[15:42] <Mez> Pici, 17 ;)
[15:42] <Mez> (days)
[15:43] <Pici> hk2999: I need you tor ead some links before we can concider removing the ban.
[15:43] <Pici> !coc | hk2999
[15:43] <ubotu> hk2999: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[15:43] <Pici> !guidelines | hk2999
[15:43] <ubotu> hk2999: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[15:44] <hk2999> i will follow it to the letter, please unban me now.
[15:45] <Pricey> hk2999, how do we know you won't start doing something silly again?
[15:45] <hk2999> well, you can permaban me
[15:45] <hk2999> from freenode?
[15:45] <Pricey> I hear you were asking for redhat support in #ubuntu earlier for example? odd?
[15:46] <hk2999> if i ever violate the tos again.
[15:46] <Pricey> i can't no
[15:46] <hk2999> well, im using ubuntu to access the rhel server and the problem is concerning linux in general (/etc/passwd)
[15:47] <Pricey> so you think that is justified?
[15:47] <hk2999> so #ubuntu was the first thing to mind
[15:47] <Pici> Why not ##linux?
[15:47] <Pricey> hk2999, you haven't read the guidelines, do it again please.
[15:49] <hk2999> i already did. i was just kind of emotionally hijacked when i did that rhel blooper
[15:49] <hk2999> will search freenode for the most relevant topic next time, promise.
[15:55] <hk2999> i'll brb after another month then. i'll be a good ubuntuer until then. bye ^^
[16:01] <nzk> Okay. I see some of the ops are back, so I'll try again: It's been 13 months since my ban in -offtopic, and Hobbsee (I believe) said that after 12, I would be let back in. So, can I be unbanned from there?
[17:11] <ubotu> jpatrick called the ops in #ubuntu (Intangir)
[17:11] <jpatrick> Pici: sorry for the typo
[17:11] <Pici> jpatrick: you missed :p
[17:12] <jpatrick> oh god
[17:12] <jpatrick> ** yogurt2ungue_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-es
[17:12] <jpatrick> ah, he left..
[17:13] <jpatrick> must of seen me :)
[17:30] <ubotu> NthDegree called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[17:32] <stdin> can someone update !xincludes, all it needs is xorg-dev and xlibs-dev doesn't exist any more
[17:33] <Pici> !xincludes
[17:33] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   xorg-dev
[17:33] <Pici> !xincludes =~ s/xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev xorg-dev/xorg-dev xlibs-dev/
[17:33] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Pici said: !xincludes =~ s/xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev xorg-dev/xorg-dev xlibs-dev/
[17:33] <Pici> ...
[17:34] <jpatrick> you forgot to @login?
[17:34] <Pici> yes
[17:34] <stdin> xlibs-static-dev doesn't exist either, they are all shared now
[17:35] <Pici> !xlibs
[17:35] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xorg-dev xlibs-dev
[17:35] <stdin> good, but xlibs-dev doesn't exist ;) just needs xorg-dev
[17:36] <Pici> !xlibs | stdin hows this?
[17:36] <ubotu> stdin hows this?: When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following package: xorg-dev
[17:37] <stdin> looks better, at least people won't get a "package not found" now :)
[18:23] <Pici> Seveas: ping, regarding a ban.
[18:29] <white_eagle> will you please take off the ban at #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:29] <Pici> white_eagle: What ban?
[18:29] <white_eagle> on my cloak
[18:30] <nzk> ompaul: Could I talk to you regarding my ban in -offtopic?
[18:30] <Pici> white_eagle: Have you been in there all day knowingly evading the ban?
[18:30] <white_eagle> the ban isn't there all day
[18:31] <ompaul> Sending CTCPs or notices to a channel is very obnoxious
[18:31] <white_eagle> it for about 30 mins
[18:31] <white_eagle> sorry but I didn't knew that when I /ping
[18:31] <ompaul> nzk, I did not implement it
[18:31] <white_eagle> in irssi, it pings the whole channel
[18:31] <nzk> ompaul: Alright, sorry then.
[18:31] <ompaul> white_eagle, and what did you think it does?
[18:31] <white_eagle> I thought it will only ping me
[18:31] <white_eagle> like in xchat
[18:32] <ompaul> white_eagle if you are going to use power tools can you at least look at the manual?
[18:32] <Pici> white_eagle: When did you realize you were banned?
[18:32] <white_eagle> it was my first run
[18:33] <white_eagle> when I couldn't join #ubuntu-offtopic via irssi
[18:33] <white_eagle> nothing showed up
[18:33] <ompaul> white_eagle, you seem to manage about once every 10 days to get banned did you notice that?
[18:33] <white_eagle> ompaul, ??
[18:33] <white_eagle> no
[18:33] <white_eagle> the last ban was before 30 days
[18:33] <white_eagle> around new-year i think, not sure
[18:35] <ompaul> Dec 16 Dec 20 Dec 23  Dec 24 Dec 26 Dec 28 Jan 10 	Jan 30 Feb 02 	Feb 11 	Feb 18
[18:35] <ompaul> not very good
[18:35] <white_eagle> feb 11?
[18:35] <ompaul> yes
[18:36] <white_eagle> I remember Feb 2 was for something similar to this
[18:36] <ompaul> not the point
[18:36] <white_eagle> maybe I'm very stupid
[18:36] <ompaul> you seem to not understand something
[18:36] <white_eagle> what
[18:36] <white_eagle> I was trolling the first days of my use
[18:36] <white_eagle> I know
[18:36] <ompaul> well
[18:37] <ompaul> really i think you need to appraise what you are doing
[18:37] <white_eagle> appraise, tell me what that means, a new word to me, really
[18:37] <ompaul> where is the disconnect and why
[18:38] <ompaul> white_eagle, in google type    >>> define: appraise <<<
[18:38] <white_eagle> my english is not perfect
[18:38] <white_eagle> thanks
[18:38] <white_eagle> oh, you mean to judge myself
[18:39] <white_eagle> I don't know what more to say to you than a promise
[18:39] <white_eagle> that I won't ping or troll, but the real excuse for pinging, and constant joining and quitting is my sluggish net connection
[18:39] <white_eagle> thats one of the best offers I can get over here
[18:40] <ompaul> .de does have some real ISPs you know and some of the worst ones also
[18:40] <white_eagle> ?
[18:41] <white_eagle> what does that have to do
[18:41] <white_eagle> with my problem
[18:41] <ompaul> I can't read :)
[18:41] <ompaul> I got the wrong ip :)
[18:41] <white_eagle> oh
[18:43] <ompaul> I'll lift the ban, you know it would be better to ask what something does or research it before you try it
[18:43] <white_eagle> thanks
[18:43] <ompaul> after all doing the wrong thing gets you banned
[18:44] <ompaul> but you are already in there
[18:44] <ompaul> hmm
[18:44] <white_eagle> the ban is on my cloak
[18:44] <white_eagle> not on my IP
[18:44] <ompaul> ahh
[18:44] <ompaul> okay let me give you a word of warning
[18:45] <ompaul> never join a channel without a cloak if you have been banned
[18:45] <ompaul> once you are told that part of you is banned all of you is banned
[18:45] <ompaul> avoiding bans will get you removed from the server
[18:45] <white_eagle> huh? really?
[18:46] <ompaul> yes
[18:46] <ompaul> really
[18:46] <white_eagle> not related to my problem, but why is that nzk guy baned?
[18:46] <ompaul> nothing to do with you
[18:46] <ompaul> now please leave here
[18:46] <white_eagle> ok
[18:46] <white_eagle> bye
[18:46] <ompaul> who is the vircuser?
[18:47] <Pici> I dont know.
[18:47] <ompaul> well for not replying
[18:47] <ompaul> hmm bye
[18:47] <ompaul> heh
[18:48] <Pricey> I'd forgotten that the ubuntu developer week has started
[18:49] <Pricey> heads up in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat guys
[18:49] <ompaul> Pricey, the ubuntu developer week starter
[18:49] <Pici> Already there :)
[18:49] <Pici> Its been quiet.
[18:56] <ompaul> guys should we do the thing about "locking up the classroom"
[18:57] <nalioth> ompaul: that is usually the presenters decision
[18:57] <ompaul> k
[18:57] <nalioth> of course, if it gets too unruly . . .
[18:57] <Pici> Like I said, its been quiet ;)
[19:16] <ubotu> In ubotu, vinay_ said: Which is the best torrent client for Ubuntu?
[19:16] <Tm_T> erm
[19:16] <Pici> bot > vinay_
[19:17] <Pici> !bot > vinay_
[19:17] <Pici> !best > vinay_
[20:24] <Pici> !test
[20:24] <ubotu> Failed.
[20:24] <Seeker`> !test
[20:24] <ompaul> Seeker`, see above
[20:24]  * ompaul rofl
[20:24] <Seeker`> I wanted to see if I could pass :(
[20:25] <ompaul> to another channel or just some other dimenseion
[20:25] <ompaul> dimension
[20:26] <Seveas> Pici, ?
[20:26] <Pici> Seveas: nzk
[20:26] <Seveas> Pici, eww. No swearing please
[20:26] <Seveas> That's a permban
[20:27] <Pici> Seveas: Well, he wants to discuss it with you, since he thinks hes been banned for long enough.
[20:27] <Pici> I don't want to get in the middle of it though.
[20:27]  * Pici is just the messenger
[20:27]  * ompaul shoots Pici
[20:28] <Seveas> Pici, there's no discussion, permban is permban :)
[20:28] <ompaul> saves the others their bullets
[20:33] <nzk> Seveas: Not from either channel?
[20:34] <Seveas> permban is permban, holds for all channels
[20:34] <nzk> Why a permaban?
[20:35] <Seveas> we've answered that every time you came in here. No need to waste more time. Goodbye
[20:36] <nzk> Actually, you never answered that question. How is mild trolling, almost two years ago, and saying one command enough to warrant a permaban?
[20:38]  * Pricey wonders why are trolling and malicious commands ever warranted
[20:39] <nzk> It wasn't malicious
[20:39] <nzk> I was wondering if somebody was an operator, so I did the exclamation point ops command, not knowing it's a "911".
[20:41] <nzk> Besides, it was 400 days ago...
[20:41] <nzk> I even did the math.
[20:42] <nzk> People are in prison for shorter amounts of time, for worse offences.
[20:43] <Pricey> Nothing to ever warrant trolling then...?
[20:44] <nzk> The trolling was 542 days ago, and it wasn't even that bad. I wasn't even a Linux user back then, and I was pretty young.
[20:44] <Pricey> Nevermind.
[20:45] <ompaul> 400!=542
[20:45] <ompaul> still at it
[20:45]  * ompaul wanders off
[20:46] <Seveas> ompaul, and it was 'little over a year' and 'almost two years' as well ;)
[20:46] <nzk> 400 days in -offtopic, and 542 in #ubuntu
[20:46] <nzk> 400 is "a little over a year"
[20:46] <nzk> And 542 is just slightly over a year and a half, so it's "almost two years".
[20:47] <Seveas> well guess what
[20:47] <Seveas> multiply those numbers by 10
[20:47] <Seveas> and maybe you're allowed back in after that time
[20:48] <nzk> Even murderers don't get sentences that harsh.
[20:48] <nzk> You even said that I'd be let back after a year, back when I was first banned.
[20:48] <LjL> you aren't in prison in case you didn't notice
[20:49] <nzk> 15 years banning for asking if anyone had seen a movie... No words can describe that
[20:49] <Seveas> nzk, good, then maybe you'll be quiet :)
[20:49] <nzk> So there is nothing, not one thing on this entire planet, that I can do to get unbanned?
[20:50] <Seveas> correct
[20:50] <LjL> Seveas: uhm wait
[20:50] <LjL> cash should do
[20:50] <ompaul> LjL, he don't have enough
[20:50] <LjL> ah nevermind then
[20:51] <Pricey> "murders don't get sentences as harsh as not being allowed into #ubuntu for a year?"
[20:51] <nzk> Pricey: Seveas said "he'd consider" unbanning me in 15 years
[20:51] <nzk> Just like he said "he'd consider" unbanning me after 1 year
[20:52] <LjL> murderers don't get sentences as harsh as not being allowed into #ubuntu for 15 years?
[20:52] <Seveas> nzk, you might be onto something there
[20:52] <nzk> I was referring to the time
[20:53] <LjL> he was hinting to the fact that it'll likely be 15^2 years next time
[20:53] <Seeker`> Banning people from #ubuntu for murder would certainly reduce prison costs
[20:55] <Pricey> Why can nzk not reply to what I say. If I ask a question he returns answers to different questions. if I make a statement he replies with something else random.
[20:55] <nzk> You didn't ask a question
[20:55] <LjL> Pricey: you noticed that too?
[20:55] <Seveas> Pricey, that's his metier
[20:55] <Seveas> classic trolling
[20:56] <nzk> Pricey: I was responding to your question.
[20:56] <ompaul> Pricey, you know that Album by Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run perhaps Born To Troll is the phase that escapes you.
[20:56] <nzk> And you surprise me the most, ompaul. You used to be nice.
[20:57] <Pricey> nzk, without answering the question...
[20:57]  * nalioth notes that ompaul was replaced last year by an automaton
[20:57] <ompaul> see no powers
[20:57] <Pricey> nzk, I've not made any opinion of you publically. I haven't stated whether I think you should stayed banned or not. I just think its reeeally annoying you don't respond with related answers or statements.
[20:58] <nzk> I apologize, then. I was trying to answer your questions to the best of my ability.
[20:59] <ompaul> nzk, see your reply to: * Pricey wonders why are trolling and malicious commands ever warranted
[20:59] <ompaul> in the PR world they would say your answer was "not helpful"
[20:59] <nzk> I said "...and one command". And assumed it was malicious, so I explained it to him.
[21:04] <ompaul> nzk, see - you have had 4 minutes reply positively to the last comment
[21:04] <ompaul> I give up
[21:05] <ompaul> back to shell scripting the office
[21:07]  * Seveas replaces ompaul with a small but efficient shellscript
[21:08]  * mneptok segfaults his pants
[21:08] <Seveas> I'm not going to clean up that core dump
[21:08] <ompaul> Seveas, it would beat my crud :)
[21:09] <ompaul> ohh dear
[21:09]  * ompaul head desks
[21:14] <Seveas> --- [ASD5A] (n=ooioioio@unaffiliated/asd6a) : JOHN DOE
[21:14] <Seveas> --- [ASD5A] #ubuntu-offtopic #linux.de ##/dev/random ##trangle #avs
[21:14] <Seveas> ##trangle and arguing in favor of nzk
[21:15] <Seveas> how unsurprising
[21:16] <Seveas> actually, it is surprising as he's arguing the other way around :)
[21:31] <LjL> oh crap
[21:31] <LjL> nzk has found -youth
[21:31] <Seeker`> LjL: is that a problem?
[21:31] <LjL> wait and see
[21:32] <mneptok> shouldn't that be -yoof ?
[21:33] <nickrud>    /j #ubuntu-youth
[21:33] <Seeker`> nickrud: try it without the spaces :P
[21:33] <nickrud> heh. I was announcing my intent ;p
[21:33]  * nickrud has statistical answers to everything
[21:34] <Seeker`> what counts as a "youth"
[21:34] <Pricey> nzk is 15?
[21:34] <Pricey> jpatrick, ping
[21:34] <jpatrick> Pricey: pong
[21:35] <Pricey> jpatrick, just checking whether you've read above
[21:35] <jpatrick> Pricey: yep and he's 14
[21:35] <Seeker`> what is the upper limit on being a youth?
[21:36] <Pricey> jpatrick, I'm referring to more than the last 3 minutes?
[21:37] <ompaul> well he has always claimed to be a lot older than that
[21:37] <ompaul> which is what I have judged him against
[21:37] <jpatrick> Pricey: I'm keeping an eye on him
[21:38] <jpatrick> ompaul: he seemed pretty amazed at my wikipage :p
[21:39] <ompaul> jpatrick, well there ya go - you got some hero worship coming your way ;-)
[21:57] <unagi> are there rules against being facetious?
[21:57] <Pricey> "be respectful?" :/
[21:57] <unagi>  could be
[22:16] <ompaul> BumberBot3K  anyi
[22:16] <ompaul> anyone got an opinion about that nick?
[22:18] <LjL> it's chatzilla
[22:18] <nalioth> it the person acting the fool?
[22:18] <LjL> maybe he just likes that nick
[22:19] <ompaul> I just saw the nick
[22:19] <LjL> will sneak a ctcp version to be sure
[22:19] <ompaul> LjL, the sneak ;-)
[22:19] <ompaul> hehe
[22:19] <LjL> [23:19:12] [CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from BumberBot3K: ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox <IP_ADDRESS>/2008020121].
[22:19]  * jpatrick hugs his +C
[22:20] <LjL> jpatrick: nice not seeing when the channel is attacked, isn't it :P
[22:21] <ompaul> right folks I am off cheers
[22:21] <jpatrick> LjL: whoops
[22:21] <LjL> jpatrick: better to find a way (if your client has any) to not send CTCP replies (or to delay the sending)
[22:23] <LjL> what would be cool is a *channel* +C mode...
[22:30] <jpatrick> LjL: I'm off to bed, watch -youth :p
[22:39] <LjL> night
[22:41] <jpatrick> got it btw: http://irssi.org/scripts/scripts/fakectcp.pl
[22:42] <LjL> uhm that fakes it but doesn't prevent you to be flooded by it does it
[22:44] <jpatrick>  /IGNORE * CTCPS ?
[22:44] <LjL> jpatrick: on my client, that doesn't let you *see* them either
[22:45]  * jpatrick uses irssi :)
[22:45] <LjL> yeah, and on irssi an /ignore lets you see the stuff that's sent? don't think so
[22:46] <jpatrick> it's what I read here: http://irssi.org/documentation/manual
[22:47] <LjL> jpatrick: yeah but that has the same effect as +C... it stop you from the replying to the CTCPs, but it also stops you from *seeing them coming*
[22:47] <jpatrick> ah ok
[22:51] <gouki> Hi
[22:51] <gouki> LjL, ping
[22:54] <gouki> Seveas: ping
[23:00] <mneptok> gouki: please state the nature of the emergency.
[23:00] <gouki> mneptok: Not really an emergency. I want to register a ubuntu- channel and would like to talk about it.
[23:01] <nalioth> gouki: we're listening :)
[23:01] <gouki> nalioth and mneptok: Thanks
[23:01] <gouki> So, the IRC channel would be for the PSUbuntu project (psubuntu.com).
[23:02] <gouki> The channel already exist but it's not registered. I was wondering if I can the approval to do it.
[23:03] <gouki> That's it guys. Need to know anything else?
[23:03] <mneptok> gouki: what is the channel name?
[23:03] <gouki> psubuntu, if possible. Only because it already exist and people know about it, mneptok
[23:04]  * nalioth forgot to put batteries in his ESP today . . .
[23:04] <nalioth> gouki: we don't have anything to do with #psubuntu, i'm afraid
[23:04] <mneptok> gouki: my personal gut reaction is to use #ubuntu-ps3, as it follows the Ubuntu IRC channel naming convention
[23:04] <gouki> I see, mneptok
[23:04] <gouki> nalioth: I understand. I preferred to talk to you guys first, even if the answer was that.
[23:04] <mneptok> gouki: side projects come and go. but the port is probably going top stick around.
[23:05] <mneptok> *to
[23:06] <gouki> mneptok: I understand
[23:07] <gouki> Would it be possible to forward from #psubuntu to #ubuntu-ps3?
[23:07] <nalioth> gouki: again, we have nothing to do with #psubuntu
[23:08] <gouki> nalioth: OK
[23:08] <nalioth> the only option i see is to have an bot spam users when they join
[23:08] <mneptok> gouki: official Ubuntu channels start with #ubuntu-
[23:09] <mneptok> gouki: as #psubuntu is not an official channel, it's not the domain of the Ubuntu IRC Council.
[23:09] <mneptok> (of which i am not a member) ;)
[23:09] <nalioth> gouki: i suggest goin with #ubuntu-ps3 also
[23:10] <nalioth> or even <gasp> #ubuntu-ppc
[23:10] <nalioth> which playstation3 runs on, yes?
[23:10] <mneptok> nalioth: the architecture differences are enough i can see wanting a dedicated channel. but yeah ...
[23:11] <nalioth> mneptok: the powerpc port runs on the ps3, i believe
[23:11] <nalioth> it also runs on the IBM big iron power5 procs
[23:11] <mneptok> PS3 = Cell
[23:11]  * nalioth just doesn't want an #ubuntu-g5-ppc750 and an #ubuntu-g5-ppc-950 and so on
[23:11] <nalioth> mneptok: yes, and Cell = powerpc
[23:11] <gouki> nalioth: True
[23:13] <mneptok> nalioth: Power4, to be precise :)
[23:13] <gouki> nalioth: I understand your point. But I still believe it would be good to have a separate channel for the PS port.
[23:13] <gouki> There would topics of interest to PS3 owners and not PPC users. Documentation itself differs, etc.
[23:14] <mneptok> gouki: let's talk XMB with an iBook user.
[23:16] <gouki> Heheh
[23:18] <gouki> If we decide to go with #ubuntu-ps3, would we be allowed to do it?
[23:20] <gouki> mneptok, nalioth
[23:27] <Pricey> gouki, yes
[23:40] <gouki> Pricey: Thank you
[23:55] <mneptok> nalioth: i reg'ed the channel until the council decides they want ownership
[23:56] <nalioth> mneptok: you "good feeling of a job well done" feeling thief!
[23:56] <Tm_T> :(
[23:57] <mneptok> nalioth: i'll probably be waiting when you come to bed, too. *wink*


[01:09] <Ahmuck> anybody home today?
[01:09] <Ahmuck> kubuntu is the dream upgrade :)
[01:15] <sbalneav> Evening all
[01:20] <Ahmuck> hi sbalneav
[01:20] <Ahmuck> got a question ... upgrading to 9.10 do i need to do a client rebuild?
[01:22] <sbalneav> Yes
[01:22] <sbalneav> absolutely.
[01:23] <Ahmuck> next question, can i use linuxmint as the base, rather than ubuntu?
[01:24] <Ahmuck> i ask because linuxmint would have all the multimedia included, and i'd bypass that configuration step
[01:31]  * sbalneav looks at the channel header
[01:31] <sbalneav> Dunno.
[01:32] <sbalneav> I'd ask at #linuxmint :)
[01:40] <Ahmuck> sbalneav: sorry, i shoulda asked in ltsp
[01:41] <sbalneav> If there's ltsp packages in linuxmint, maybe.
[01:43] <Ahmuck> next question, i did not get a prompt to do an upgrade
[01:43] <sbalneav> In what?
[01:43] <Ahmuck> and apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't seem to be working
[01:43] <sbalneav> Prompt to update the ltsp chroot?
[01:44] <Ahmuck> prompt to update ubuntu
[01:44] <Ahmuck> to 9.10
[01:44] <Ahmuck> and/or edubuntu
[01:44] <sbalneav> What version are you running?
[01:44] <Ahmuck> 9.04
[01:45] <sbalneav> If I go to the update manager on my 9.04 box, there's a section at the top that says "New distribution release 9.10 is available"
[01:45] <Ahmuck> ok, thx
[01:45] <sbalneav> With a button beside it to update.
[01:45] <sbalneav> See it?
[01:46] <Ahmuck> i'm a kubuntu on my own system, so i know ubuntu some, but not enough
[01:46] <sbalneav> Well, I don't know about kubuntu.
[01:47] <sbalneav> But in the gnome update manager, it tells you.
[01:48] <sbalneav> You won't get any indication for the ltsp chroot.
[01:48] <sbalneav> When you update your system you have to build a new chroot.
[01:49] <Ahmuck> anytime i add new software, i need to build a new chroot?
[01:50] <sbalneav> Well, when you update the distro, yeah.
[01:51] <sbalneav> but if you've got a karmic box, with a karmic chroot, and you just want to add a program for your users to use on the server, then no.
[01:52] <Ahmuck> ok, i was always confused about that
[01:52] <Ahmuck> when do you update chroot?  what scenarios?
[01:52] <Ahmuck> wait, it's prolly in the manual?
[01:52] <sbalneav> Why yes!
[01:53] <sbalneav> It is :)
[01:53] <Ahmuck> :p
[01:53] <Ahmuck> anywho, the kubuntu upgrade on my office standalone was soooo good, and the updated kde is soooo nice
[04:32] <Ahmuck_> anybody know why an 9.04 - 9.10 update would take 20 hours?
[04:43] <billet75> I tried 9.10 on a new machine, intel graphic on-board, I have to buy a card to get the install to work will there be a fix
[04:45] <Ahmuck_> nice to see you again nubae
[17:24] <Ahmuck_> http://pastebin.be/21659
[17:24] <Ahmuck_> any ideas?
[18:04] <Ahmuck_> is akonadi the default notifier now?
[18:06] <nubae> hi Ahmuck_ long time no see
[18:06] <nubae> how's tings?
[18:06] <Ahmuck_> i'm well
[18:06] <Ahmuck_> just upgraded the ltsp server
[18:06] <Ahmuck_> it appears to have gone well
[18:06] <Ahmuck_> i'm really impressed with *buntu 9.10
[18:09] <Ahmuck_> ah, finally, found a replacement for yakuake on the ubuntu side
[18:09] <Ahmuck_> tilda
[18:29] <Ahmuck_> hi fasthans
[18:29] <fasthans> hi
[18:29] <fasthans> I still have problems in my lab.
[18:30] <Ahmuck_> such as?
[18:30] <fasthans> running gimp as local app, but when the students want to print an call the print dialog, it takes about 15 secs to show the network printer
[18:30] <fasthans> each time...
[18:31] <fasthans> any idea??
[18:32] <Ahmuck_> not really.  how are other things?
[18:32] <Ahmuck_> edubuntu forum ?
[18:36] <fasthans> Ahmuck: what do you mean?
[18:50] <Ahmuck_> brb
[19:54] <Ahmuck_> bleh, i'm crashing all over


[04:43] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:21] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:25] <jink> 'sup, kids.
[06:25] <jink> Happy World Animal Day.  You all get an extra treat today. :P
[06:29] <lordievader> o/
[07:08] <ducasse> morning all
[07:39] <lordievader> Hey ducasse, how are you?
[07:40] <ducasse> good thanks, lordievader - and you?
[07:42] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> bbl work
[11:41] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:27] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[14:29] <BluesKaj> hey pauljw
[14:30] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj, how's it going?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> just fine thanks, pauljw, and you ?
[14:32] <pauljw> good here
[14:45] <nicomachus> it's playoff time for American baseball. :D
[14:48] <pauljw> :)
[14:50] <BluesKaj> well it's called the "World Series" ...never undesrstood why, because no other leagues other than the American and National Leagues are allowed to participate :-)
[14:51] <BluesKaj> we all know what that implies , but it's rather presumptuous
[14:52] <BluesKaj> just funnin' btw ... i always liked baseball, even played it a bit as a kid
[14:52] <pauljw> how many other viable leagues were in existence when it was so named?  it is an American sport
[14:53] <BluesKaj> yup, so it should be called the US series or some such
[14:55] <pauljw> some such as World Series??  if they were the only leagues in the world at the time, it's not wrong.
[14:59] <pauljw> ...but maybe the rug we're sweeping the rest of history under is big enough for baseball, too.
[15:05] <BluesKaj>  this site debunks internet myths and it seems derive from world championship series from the 1880s or so http://www.snopes.com/business/names/worldseries.asp
[15:06] <BluesKaj> but it's still presumptuous :-)
[15:06] <nacc> there are canadian teams :)
[15:07] <BluesKaj> there were lots of baseball teams in Canada, especially in 1903
[15:07] <nacc> yeah
[15:08] <nacc> was just saying the "us series" would also be wrong
[15:08] <BluesKaj> but they didn't have money to challenge the American pros
[15:10] <BluesKaj> Canada invented hockey but it took American money, arenas and fans to make it a pro league
[15:29] <nicomachus> pauljw: there are a lot of asian and south american leagues
[15:29] <nicomachus> japan and korea in particular are noteworthy
[15:29] <nicomachus> But also, yes, Canadian teams.
[15:30] <nicomachus> well, not just "team". Used to be "teams"
[15:30] <nicomachus> s/not/now/
[15:53] <BluesKaj> there's also a  baseball world cup plus the olympics
[15:54] <daftykins> nicomachus: so i guess the Royals as we knew them are now gone, who knows how many players will leave!
[15:54] <nicomachus> at least 3 key players. and we already let 5 coaches go.
[15:55] <BluesKaj> what's happening with the Royals?
[15:55] <daftykins> well they didn't make it to postseason this year, most likely due to getting rid of too many good players for this season
[15:55] <daftykins> doubt it was really the coaches fault, but they got the axe anyway
[15:56] <nicomachus> ehh... our pitching was pretty sub-standard. And the pitching coach was the big one they let go.
[15:57] <nicomachus> BluesKaj: 3 key players are now free agents (contracts were up), and we just don't have the money to renew their contracts.
[15:57] <BluesKaj> not good , guess they got rid of some big salaries
[15:57] <daftykins> weirdly it's still Alex Gordon who earns the most versus anyone else
[15:58] <nicomachus> we're paying him WAY too much
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> good evening guys
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[17:03] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> hi oerheks
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> wayland isnt going well for me on artful
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> buggy mouse lags over animations/icons start
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> i read alot of those kind of bugs on wayland, both fedora & ubuntu
[17:05] <oerheks> heya lotus :-D
[17:05] <BluesKaj> i haven't even bothered trying wayland since i'm on kde/plasma with nvidia gpu
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> kk
[17:09] <BluesKaj> fedora 25 with wayland and gnome 3 was very smooth and silkywith intel i915 driver but it was still gnome so it didn't last long on my laptop
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: remember wich gnome version that was?
[17:10] <oerheks> fedora is much smoother, for ages, smoother bootscreen, and such
[17:12] <TJ-> I think most of that is to do with using gdm rather than lightdm/sddm, and this stupid split where the greeter runs on a different tty at times
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> the weird thing overall smoothnes is okay, just when i click icons to launch programs its laggy
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> htop shows gnome-shell and wayland ontop
[17:15] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje,well that makes sense, ..must be something else eating resourcers
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> on xorg, everything runned like rocket
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> you think wayland will not be a light thing to install on older systems?
[17:17] <daftykins> time to dump the single core athlon XP, lotus :)
[17:17]  * daftykins ducks
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> lolll
[17:17] <BluesKaj> hehe
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> its a 64bit amd 3200!!!
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> w00t
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> 2gig ram & 120gig ssd
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> i still boot faster then w10
[17:18] <daftykins> oh i could've sworn you said it was still an Athlon XP :)
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:19] <BluesKaj> I'm on an old amd 5200+ dual core , maybe wayland will run ok if I replace the nvidia with an amd gpu, or will it ?
[17:19] <daftykins> it might legacy boot something faster than 10, but modern hardware can boot 10 faster than old kit can boot legacy OSs
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> with an ati X800
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: thats true, cant compare with intel i...
[17:19] <daftykins> don't dump nvidia D:
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: tested artful on that machine?
[17:21] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, yup, speaking to you from Artful kde/plasma
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> cool
[17:22] <BluesKaj> I read about wayland devel co-operation between nvida and fedora devs
[17:23] <BluesKaj> they've formed a team, but i  use the word loosely
[17:23] <daftykins> still smells to me like AMD's drivers are in a state of flux
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: hmm that could be it right
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> i really wonder artful final
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> if they well make it with wayland
[17:26] <BluesKaj> yeah, things will reamain so for a while until OS devels and the mfgs firm up their positions on wayland so to speak
[17:28] <BluesKaj> but I do think wayland is the future, no going back now
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> indeed
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> https://www.thetrackr.com/bravo
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[17:49] <BluesKaj> hmm apparently the nouveau driver woks with wayland for nvidia gpus..nouvea has usually worked well with my semi-legacy Geforce 210 gpu
[17:56] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-384
[17:57] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-384 artful
[18:32] <BluesKaj> hmm, the kwin-wayland deb package has unmet dependencies, oh well , maybe next time
[18:35] <Bashing-om> awaiting nvidia-384 to hit the artful repo : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/artful-changes/2017-October/011550.html .
[18:38] <BluesKaj> what i meant was the kwin package has unmet dependencies with the nouveau driver. wayland is supposed to work on the nouveau according to the article i just read
[18:40]  * Bashing-om afk for bout an hour :(
[18:41] <daftykins> not the lawn again?!


[12:13] <EriC^^> please quiet Penemanmmm456789 he's trolling/swearing making problems in #ubuntu, thanks
[12:14] <EriC^^> hggdh: ikonia DJones DalekSec