[00:00] <YankDownUnder> BadBoy09: Since Google doesn't appear to be your forte, read this: http://www.deepweb-sites.com/deep-web-links-2015/
[00:00] <Mihasi> Also, I can't get nvidia-prime to work properly. It worked on my 15.10 partition, although I had to reboot to switch GPUs (instead of just logout), but when I try installing it on 16.04 (along with the nvidia-361) I get a black screen after boot.
[00:00] <OerHeks> BadBoy09, i think you need TOR for that, not sure as i never tried that fancy network
[00:00] <OerHeks> google.onion ?
[00:01] <YankDownUnder> heheheheheheh...yeah...
[00:01] <justsomeguy> Mihasi: Honestly, nvidia optimus on *nix is a mess. I've never been able to get it to work.
[00:02] <justsomeguy> ...but it could just be because I'm stupid.
[00:03] <YankDownUnder> justsomeguy: There was a time when NVidia was "the bomb" - but that's all changed now.
[00:04] <Mihasi> justsomeguy: it's definitely not. I've already wasted so much time on it. Eventually on 15.10 I stumbled upon a magical combination of bumblebee, nvidia-prime AND a specific version of the nvidia driver that worked and which I didn't dare to touch since, but now that 15.10 is EOL...
[00:04] <minasota> saw mutt-patched in the repo, installed for the sidebar patch. Doesn't have any keybindings in sidebar.rc. Tried setting a few in .muttrc, no luck. Any suggestions/help would be appreciated
[00:06] <Mihasi> For now, my plan is to keep the 15.10 partition for gaming, at least for the time being. I'll use this 16.04 partition for everything else, but if I'm not going to use the Nvidia GPU anyway I would like to disable it for battery savings.
[00:06] <justsomeguy> Mihasi: On 16.04 I ended up uninstalling/disabling everything but mesa, and blocking nouveau with a grub boot option. Hoepfully that will work for you, too.
[00:07] <Mihasi> justsomeguy: How exactly did you block nouveau in grub? nomoset=0?
[00:07] <justsomeguy> Mihasi: Probably, let me look it up.
[00:07] <Mihasi> *nomodeset
[00:08] <jon_> nacc_, have a great weekend.  anyone else willing to help?
[00:08] <jon_> touchpad.  or whatever that is called
[00:09] <Mihasi> justsomeguy: Thx. And just to be sure: you also uninstalled nouveau? I don't have that option in the "additional drivers" dialog, but I guess an apt purge should work.
[00:11] <justsomeguy> Mihasi: I'm not on ubuntu right now, but if I remember correctly all I did was 'dpkg --get-selections *nvidia* *nouveau*' and examined the output. I uninstalled all the packages that seemed reasonable with 'apt-get purge <packagename>'. I think I used "nouveau.modeset=0".
[00:11] <justsomeguy> ...at the grub boot screen to block nouveau during boot time.
[00:12] <justsomeguy> Mihasi: Also, be sure to have mesa installed.
[00:16] <Mihasi> justsomeguy: Any specific mesa packages I should have installed? Right now it looks like these are the drivers I have installed: mesa-vdpau-drivers (along with number of related dri, glx,... packages)
[00:18] <justsomeguy> Mihasi: Honestly, I don't know. I think you already have what you need. I usually break my system several times while trying to solve issues like this.
[00:20] <Mihasi> justsomeguy: I know the feeling. Maybe I should wait until someone can answer the vgaswitcheroo questions. I think the "DynOff" option *should* mean that it's switched off...
[00:36] <BlueProtoman> How do I install Fmod on Ubuntu?  I can't seem to find up-to-date instructions anywhere.
[00:42] <Mihasi> BlueProtoman: Can't help you with Fmod, but I can share your frustration about not finding up-to-date instructions, especially for a distro that is supposed to be newbie-friendly.
[00:44] <tgm4883> fmod seems to be a commercial application...
[00:44] <nomic> outta these 3, what would people recommend for setting up a websocket, port 80, proxy server on ubuntu/linux  1. apache2 2. lighttpd 3. nginx
[00:47] <BlueProtoman> tgm4883: It's got a free library, which I'm trying to install.
[00:47] <rypervenche> nomic: Dependt on your needs. I like nginx personally.
[00:48] <nomic> i thought nginx 1. there seem to be more inroads to the setup of websocket (proxy) .. 2. v light/fast/small .. apache is like the leatherman .. 3.
[00:48] <tgm4883> BlueProtoman: by free, you mean as in beer I suppose
[00:49] <nomic> 3. it seems to be  supported/current
[00:49] <mchelen2> BlueProtoman: it's free as in $0, but not free as in freedom
[00:49] <mchelen2> i.e. behind a registration wall
[00:49] <nomic> also, I read that nginx as of a recentish version has websockets built in, as standard
[00:50] <BlueProtoman> mchelen2, tgm4883: Correct
[00:50] <mchelen2> BlueProtoman: unfortunately that means its kind of hard for us to look at
[00:50] <nomic> have installed/ tried out apache .. seems to be a bit slow on a raspberry pi 3
[00:50] <nomic> apache2
[00:50] <mchelen2> BlueProtoman: you could try https://wiki.debian.org/FMOD idk how current it is
[00:51] <mchelen2> nomic: what os are you running?
[00:51] <nomic> mate for the server .. on raspberry pi 3
[00:51] <mchelen2> there are a ton of perf tweaks you can use
[00:51] <mchelen2> also dont run gui on server
[00:51] <rypervenche> nomic: https://www.nginx.com/blog/websocket-nginx/
[00:51] <tgm4883> BlueProtoman: I'd point out that it seems silly to blame a distribution for the difficulty of installing commercial software that the developers don't seem to support all that well
[00:51] <mchelen2> tgm4883: i didn't see them doing any blaming?
[00:52] <nomic> thanks for that article rypervenche  .. not always obvious searching ie. THE article
[00:52] <nomic> getting blogs etc
[00:52] <tgm4883> mchelen2: TBF, it was Mihasi
[00:52] <mchelen2> nomic: nginx is good too, in either case i still recommend headless, no-gui os for server
[00:52] <nomic> erm .. it gives a bit speed increase?
[00:52] <nomic> hmm .. cos that means I would have to get another pi3
[00:53] <nomic> mchelen -- headless because the gui, even not used, is sucking up resource?
[00:53] <nomic> these raspberry pi3s are breeding -- already got 2 as desktops
[00:53] <rypervenche> nomic: Why do you need a GUI?
[00:53] <nomic> thought could just put server on 1 .. if its a big performance increase
[00:53] <nomic> because I am using hte pi3s as desktops
[00:54] <nomic> seriously .. it works
[00:54] <rypervenche> ...
[00:54] <nomic> i type on laptop, with xubuntu, mouse drifts across to raspberry pi 3 screens, with x2x
[00:54] <rypervenche> You don't need/want one on a server.
[00:54] <nomic> asking again -- it really slows it down
[00:55] <rypervenche> On a pi, it definitely can.
[00:55] <nomic> upon deployment, I would set up a headless
[00:55] <nomic> for test, atm, would go with it on the thing that I use for tv etc
[00:55] <rypervenche> I suppose this isn't really Ubuntu-related.
[00:56] <nomic> mate
[00:57] <rypervenche> Oh, they have added OSes since I last looked.
[00:57] <nomic> got enough info -- carry on
[00:57] <nomic> how many?
[00:57] <Mihasi> tgm4883: I confess, I was doing the blaming. :P But I wasn't blaming the distribution for the difficulty of installing commercial software, but for the lack of centralized, up-to-date information. It's a bit weird that I usually find better explanations on the Arch wiki than in the Ubuntu docs, wiki and AskUbuntu combined...
[00:57] <rypervenche> Go with a GUI if you are comfortable with it.
[00:58] <nomic> understood .. its overhead
[00:58] <nomic> why there are server versions (no gui)
[00:58] <mchelen2> tgm4883: oh ok
[00:58] <nomic> would get a rpi3 and clock it
[00:58] <nomic> aint done that yet
[00:59] <nomic> clocking is as a standard option with the pi3
[00:59] <nomic> you just need a heatsink -- v nice copper ones all over ebay -- just  stick them on .. the rpi3 doesn't need a fan
[00:59] <mchelen2> nomic: yeah desktop software has a big overhead, servers should run only server software
[00:59] <mchelen2> you can develop with that extra stuff but dont expect good perf
[01:00] <Hulio> anyone know how to write getting the mattch regular expression for this ?  Your IP address: <a href="/ip/<IP_ADDRESS>">
[01:00] <mchelen2> Mihasi: anecdotal evidence is anecdotal
[01:00] <Hulio> i'm not good on regular expression
[01:00] <nomic> as with anything surrounding the pi3 ..  this is not an issue now .. the units consume 1.5 watt of power, maximum -- and the board cost (last time I looked), is $33
[01:00] <Bashing-om> Mihasi: Are you aware : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PopularPages ? A tremendous amount of effort and resources are expended to keep it current .
[01:00] <mchelen2> Hulio: try http://www.regexpal.com/
[01:00] <Hulio> mchelen2, come on man
[01:01] <Hulio> really
[01:01] <mchelen2> yes really
[01:01] <mchelen2> lern2regex
[01:01] <mchelen2> Hulio: you didn't even say what you were trying to match in that
[01:02] <rypervenche> Hulio: #regex is useful.
[01:02] <Hulio> basically i have a lot of string.    and i want to get IP from   string that contain   Your IP address:
[01:02] <Hulio> ok thakns
[01:03] <Mihasi> Bashing-om: thanks, didn't know about those yet.
[01:04] <Bashing-om> Mihasi: :) .. No internet police to clean up debris that get left behind .
[01:05] <mchelen2> Mihasi: yeah there is just no way to document install / usage for every piece of software out there
[01:05] <Mihasi> mchelen2: How does Arch do it then?
[01:05] <Mihasi> Don't get me wrong, I love Ubuntu.
[01:06] <Mihasi> I've only used Arch once for a couple of months, but the Wiki is just extremely well done.
[01:06] <rypervenche> Mihasi: I think rolling release makes it easier.
[01:07] <tgm4883> When you have to configure everything manually, you end up having to document everything /s
[01:08] <Mihasi> rypervenche: Why would that be the case? They still need to update it every time a package is (significantly) updated, right?
[01:08]  * nomic not a fan of regex
[01:08] <rypervenche> Mihasi: Yes, but only for one version of it.
[01:10] <nomic> hopefully that article (nginx websocket proxy) won't bee too attached to node.js .. all articles  are -- I am not using node.js
[01:10] <nomic> seems everyone is
[01:11] <mchelen2> Mihasi: are you comparing them 1:1? can you say arch wiki covers X topics well, and ubuntu wiki covers Y topics, and X > Y?
[01:11] <mchelen2> Mihasi: or is it that arch wiki is covering the topics that you happen to be interested in
[01:11] <mchelen2> (which is still a big achievement, just somewhat different)
[01:12] <mchelen2> nomic: what are you using? node is nice for async stuff, which is where ws shine
[01:12] <tgm4883> Can we move this discussion to #ubuntu-discuss
[01:12] <nomic> autobahn = twisted
[01:12] <mchelen2> tgm4883: yeah fair enough
[01:12] <Mihasi> tgm4883: sure
[01:12] <nomic> ws is only for async
[01:12] <nomic> i aint decide yet, between autobahn or tornadio
[01:13] <nomic> tornado .. tbh .. whatever I get working first, goes in
[01:13] <nomic> many people favor tornado
[01:13] <nomic> node.js seems to have taken the market -- but, from what I understand, it is a subset of javascript
[01:13] <nomic> maybe why it has taken the market
[01:14] <Mihasi> exit
[01:14]  * nomic would favor autobahn = twisted
[02:07] <skweek> i've read node.js is pretty powerful...
[02:07] <skweek> i've also read that rails is too
[02:23] <dudebro123> Interesting problem. I have a laptop with a removable SATA interface. I interchange between my SATA Bluray disc drive and my SATA DVD drive. For some reason, inserting a drive into the SATA bay does not initialize the drive unless a drive was in the bay during boot. IS there a way to initialize the drive manually if there was no drive in the bay during boot?
[02:44] <blacknred0> any recommendations on how to generate a key so I don't get this error -> "Unable to negotiate with <IP_ADDRESS>: no matching host key type found. Their offer: ssh-dss"?  I am doing "ssh-keygen -t rsa"
[02:45] <reisio> blacknred0: what generates the error?
[02:45] <blacknred0> reisio: when I try to connect to my remote server from my client
[02:46] <blacknred0> i thought that rsa was not the same as dss
[03:02] <tortib> does anyone know what pkg has affectx.h in it?
[03:03] <rypervenche> blacknred0: What are the server and client OSes?
[03:03] <Xrmand95> indonesian channel?
[03:04] <rypervenche> blacknred0: http://www.openssh.com/legacy.html
[03:05] <blacknred0> rypervenche: yes, I found that, but I am not sure how to know if I am using the right key, if is not rsa, would i need to create it using dsa?
[03:05] <blacknred0> rypervenche: svr debian 6.0.10; client ubuntu 16.04
[03:06] <blacknred0> i mean, it does work if i do ssh -oHostKeyAlgorithms=+ssh-dss user@hostname , but i am trying to avoid adding options on my ssh commands
[03:09] <rypervenche> blacknred0: Does the client have a dsa key in its ~/.ssh/ directory?
[03:10] <blacknred0> rypervenche: yes, on ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 and for fail save ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[03:10] <rypervenche> blacknred0: I mean an actual key. Like id_dsa
[03:11] <blacknred0> rypervenche: sorry, yes, the id_dsa is on client and the server has the public key on those path
[03:12] <rypervenche> blacknred0: Does the client have an RSA key as well?
[03:12] <blacknred0> rypervenche: yes, that is what doesn't make any sense
[03:12] <rypervenche> blacknred0: Add -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa to your SSH command.
[03:13] <blacknred0> i've tried both rsa and dsa
[03:13] <rypervenche> Same error when you specify it like that?
[03:13] <blacknred0> rypervenche: yep
[03:14] <blacknred0> hold on... I am calling help desk from the hosting to see what might be happing
[03:14] <rypervenche> I wonder if it's because the known hosts or something.
[03:14] <blacknred0> yep
[03:14] <blacknred0> just wanted to make sure that i was sane before i contact them
[03:15] <rypervenche> blacknred0: Was the server ever an older version of Debian that was then upgraded?
[03:16] <rypervenche> blacknred0: Try running "ssh-keygen -A" on the server with root/sudo (it won't overwrite anything). See what that does.
[03:17] <blacknred0> rypervenche: that i don't know
[03:18] <rypervenche> Don't know what?
[03:20] <blacknred0> rypervenche: if the debian version was upgraded
[03:20] <rypervenche> blacknred0: That will create any keys on the server that don't exist already. Then we'll check your server's /etc/ssh/sshd_config.
[03:21] <blacknred0> rypervenche: i assume that they are using old dss and that's why i am having the issues
[03:21] <rypervenche> blacknred0: Debian 6 should have RSA.
[03:21] <rypervenche> Unless it's some really restricted service that you have.
[03:21] <blacknred0> that could be very well
[03:22] <blacknred0> let me see what support has to say
[03:22] <blacknred0> thanks rypervenche
[03:22] <rypervenche> blacknred0: Do you not have root access?
[03:23] <blacknred0> rypervenche: not on the server
[03:23] <rypervenche> Ah ok. Good luck then :)
[03:23] <rypervenche> You have a workaround until they fix it.
[03:24] <blacknred0> yep, i kind of figured
[03:31] <blacknred0> wow! rypervenche, server is running "OpenSSH_5.8p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8o 01 Jun 2010"
[03:31] <rypervenche> And therein lies the problem^^
[03:32] <blacknred0> so, it is the client that is blocking it?
[03:32] <blacknred0> that makes more sense if they can't shake hands
[03:32] <rypervenche> Yes. OpenSSH 7.0 and up have disabled the DSS cipher by default as it is weak.
[03:33] <blacknred0> rypervenche: ok
[03:51] <lnm819> rc.abjects.net
[04:06] <tortib> I'm using  make -I/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu  to try to get this software to build and it's still saying it's not able to find sys/uio.h
[04:07] <ajeffco> I have a machine that every few reboots boots to "error: attempt to read or write outside of disk `hd0`" and goes into rescue mode.  Ctrl-Alt-Del or power cycle and it boots fine.
[04:07] <ajeffco> I've no idea what could be causing this... failing drive?
[04:07] <ajeffco> this is with ubuntu 16.04 server
[04:12] <phelpsiv> @ajeffco I'm guessing it's a hardware issue. I have a laptop that has a small short near the hd or battery. Does a similar thing. Basically I don't keep anything important on it
[04:12] <hwkng> what's the most lightweight chromebook/netbook to root + install ubuntu on?
[04:12] <SchrodingersScat> ajeffco: worth checking out, I would definitely !backup anything important on there.
[04:12] <OerHeks> tortib, looks like libc6 is not installed http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/amd64/libc6-dev
[04:13] <phelpsiv> Definitely agree with @SchrodingersScat
[04:13] <ajeffco> Thanks.  It's a fresh load on an old machine that hasn't been used in a while
[04:14] <ajeffco> it had ubuntu 14.something on it, wasn't happening until I loaded 16.  I'll downgrade and see if stops
[04:14] <ajeffco> it's only every 4th boot or so that it happens
[04:14] <SchrodingersScat> !info gnome-disk-utility | ajeffco: iirc this has an easy to read smart data panel, but I'm sure there's several programs you can use. this is a gui.
[04:15] <ajeffco> yea, checked the disk smart stats... nothing bad in the output
[04:15] <Bashing-om> ajeffco: ttps://www.smartmontools.org/ ; https://www.smartmontools.org/wiki/TocDoc ; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2192335 .
[04:16] <ajeffco> Thanks for the responses all
[04:19] <Apachez> any hints on how to deal with that in ubuntu 16.04 with oibaf drivers (intel i5-4250U graphics) after some hours of monitor "sleep" when its about to return I only have a black screen and only the mouse visible?
[04:20] <reisio> Apachez: using plain Ubuntu?
[04:20] <OerHeks> Apachez, seen that, switching to tty2 and back to tty7 fixes that (sometimes)
[04:21] <jonky> hi
[04:21] <tortib> I'm using  make -I/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu  to try to get this software to build and it's still saying it's not able to find sys/uio.h
[04:21] <reisio> jonky: heya
[04:23] <jonky> last week after a software update, my wireless adapter(tp-link t4uh) stopped working.  there were 4-5 people here at the same time experiencing hardware problems after the update, but nothing was figured out while I was here. have any similar problems or resolutions been mentioned lately?
[04:23] <Apachez> OerHeks: ill try that next time
[04:23] <Apachez> the odd thing is that this only seems to happen after a few hours of inacticvity
[04:23] <jonky> specifically it was on july 2nd
[04:23] <Apachez> the regular "shutdown monitor" timeout I use is 10min
[04:24] <Apachez> but that doesnt (on its own) have to do with this
[04:24] <jonky> oh, and now my second display isn't being recognized
[04:32] <Apachez> another q, any of you experienced problems with reading cd/dvd using usb cd/dvd reader/burner in ubuntu 15.x and 16.x? I mean other than shitty discs or shitty reader, any other hints on how to troubleshoot this on ubuntu?
[04:33] <reisio> you'll have to be more specific than "problems"
[04:33] <effectnet> hi i want an adroid emulator.  any good ones?
[04:33] <effectnet> android
[04:33] <reisio> effectnet: well there's the official one
[04:34] <reisio> that should suffice
[04:34] <effectnet> oh
[04:34] <YankDownUnder> http://emulatorforpc.com/best-android-emulator-ubuntu/
[04:34] <effectnet> thx
[04:35] <reisio> 's'called 'android-sdk', IIRC
[04:35] <tortib> Is someone willing to help me get some software built?
[04:35] <YankDownUnder> Can I make a million dollars in less than a week and retire?
[04:36] <cncr04s> c++ coder for hire
[04:36] <OerHeks> tortib, looks like libc6 is not installed http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/amd64/libc6-dev
[04:38] <Apachez> problems = cannot read the disc, but sometimes it can
[04:38] <reisio> tortib: what software
[04:38] <jonky> tortib, do you have a super sweet idea but only lack the necessary skills to bring it to market and looking for a technical partner who recognises and matches your business savvy?
[04:38] <YankDownUnder> cncr04s: I'd prefer to have a "App" - a paid for "app"  - sold on iTunes - which does basically NOTHING - but teens all over the world would want (at least for the moment) - and I'd be able to rake in tonnes of money and just chill and retire...that's as practical as I can get... ;)
[04:38] <reisio> Apachez: next time you get into it, try using mplayer dvd:// and you'll get more useful debugging output than any GUI
[04:41] <usul> Hello. I'm a bit stuck hoping for your help. Maybe I misunderstood Tor's instructions, but maybe I installed something other than the browser? https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en
[04:41] <usul> When I launch tor from terminal I just get "Bootstrapped 100% done", then nothing at all.
[04:41] <Apachez> reisio: tnx
[04:42] <usul> Guess I'm just wondering if I installed the actual browser, if not, how can i reverse the gpg key I put in?
[04:43] <cncr04s> I unforrtunatly don't know anything about teens these days, but when I was a teen, having a walkman was the cool thing to have
[04:43] <reisio> usul: don't want to use torbrowser-launcher from universe repo?
[04:43] <reisio> cncr04s: that's still cool (portable audio), but everyone has it so it's not that kind of exclusive coolness
[04:44] <YankDownUnder> Yeah - there are "Tor" tools already built into the repos...why bother going through the hassle of "external" setups...hmm...(re-inventing the wheel)
[04:45] <usul> Yeah makes sense. Tor's website says to avoid using univ repo but honestly imma just do it anyway. How can I remove the gpg keys I added?
[04:45] <usul> or does it not matter
[04:48] <reisio> usul: why's it say that?
[05:02] <jim__> Great wizards of Ubuntu, I want to set up a mail server that runs locally only.  It's been a few years but I use to set up BSD and OSF lab systems that had a mail facility limited to the local system only.  This basically allowed programs to send problems messages to root.  How do I get Ubuntu to do that same thing?
[05:03] <reisio> jim__: that's pretty much the default
[05:03] <reisio> just install a mail server & call it a day
[05:05] <jim__> I have been looking at potential mail servers and they all go into how to connect to a POP server and all that, most confusing and unnecessary.  What is the simplest mail server out there?
[05:06] <reisio> jim__: whatever tasksel chooses
[05:07] <reisio> probably postfix
[05:08] <jim__> yep, I have seen postfix all over the place...  maybe I was reading to far into the instructions....
[05:11]  * YankDownUnder has a giggle about "simple" mail servers
[05:12] <YankDownUnder> I think building a nuclear device is vastly simpler than building a smooth running mail server...(well, I've built many mail servers...so I can only venture a guess at nuclear devices) :)
[05:15] <lyh> hello
[05:16] <lyh> ??
[05:16] <bynarie> jim__, u could try mail in a box, https://mailinabox.email/
[05:17] <bynarie> its a stack thats super simple to configure
[05:17] <jim__> Hmmm.... haven't looked at "mailinabox" yet, I'll check it also
[05:19] <bynarie> if ur looking to host your own email server with a domain name and have zero experience setting up mail servers, this is basically your option
[05:21] <jim__> Mailinabox right up front has a few key phrases that worry me "turns a fresh cloud computer into a working mail server" a bit more than I'm looking for I think.
[05:22] <YankDownUnder> ...was just sussing that out...makes me prefer postfix+courier a bit more...I prefer to have things "in sight" as it were...
[05:24] <dea> Hi. I was hoping someone would help me with pulse audio.
[05:25] <reisio> Guest5875: pulseaudio; what about it
[05:28] <Guest5875> Well, I started out with my mic not working. I disabled one of the input channels and that worked. Then, the channel turned itself on and auto leveled with the remaining one, disabling my mic again. I came here for help, got told to poke around the config. Did that, now I get no audio at all after I log in.
[05:29] <reisio> Guest5875: /nick deaguy
[05:29] <reisio> Guest5875: laptop?
[05:30] <Guest5875> Yeah, it's a lenovo flex 2.
[05:32] <deaincaelo> I thought I had undid all the edits to daemon.config and restarted, but apparently I noobed something.
[05:32] <reisio> thinking'll do that, every time
[05:33] <deaincaelo> hrm?
[05:33] <reisio> deaincaelo: what if you open up pavucontrol and change the mic to the 'unplugged' option
[05:34] <niceman> wow
[05:34] <YankDownUnder> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[05:34] <reisio> niceman: I concur
[05:34] <niceman> what?
[05:34] <deaincaelo> Still no response unless I kill a channel. I would have to watch it for a random reset.
[05:36] <reisio> niceman: agreed
[05:36] <deaincaelo> I'll check it in an hour
[05:36] <niceman> what?
[05:36] <niceman> what are u talking about reisio?
[05:37] <deaincaelo> Any thoughts about the audio none issue?
[05:37] <niceman> there is no girl here?
[05:37] <niceman> h'mm
[05:38] <joshh20> Hello, I am attempting to start a GRE tunnel upon reboot but for some reason the ip route commands aren't being run by crontab
[05:38] <niceman> double n is good
[05:40] <YankDownUnder> deaincaelo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[05:40] <niceman> what is it?
[05:40] <niceman> I still use Windows on my pc
[05:43] <jim__> postfix states that it started life as SendMail, which is the tool use on the BSD and OSF systems I was use to.  So... it looks like postfix is what I'll try to use.  Its just that as I read the instructions it seems like they immediately get into setting up  your FQDN, of which I have none....  So maybe it is as simple as install and leave it alone.  who knows...
[05:44] <YankDownUnder> jim__: Works great with dynamic dns, ya know...so, you can utilise FQDN with dynamic dns...
[05:50] <joshh20> Hello, I am attempting to start a GRE tunnel upon reboot but for some reason the ip route commands aren't being run by crontab. Any ideas why this would be?
[05:51] <deaincaelo> Thanks yank, but that doesn't seem the right troubleshooting flow. I did a little reductive t/s and it looks like a Chrome issue. Audio works in Firefox.
[05:52] <YankDownUnder> deaincaelo: Far out...BLAME GOOGLE! Yeah! (I like blaming Google for whatever I can...it's nearly natural...and if not Google, it's Micro$oft)
[05:55] <jim__> YankDownUnder: I have a real simple hosts file.  first line: <IP_ADDRESS>   localhost      second line:  <IP_ADDRESS>    boxer     No DNS,  No FQDN, just a simple stand alone system
[05:55] <reisio> pqdn? :p
[05:56] <YankDownUnder> jim__: So is this supposed to be a "standalone" isolated mail server - like more or less a respository for email as opposed to a "fetch/store/send" serverr?
[05:57] <jim__> YankDownUnder:  the only thing I want out of the mail utility is to deliver to "root" messages from applications
[05:58] <jim__> some apps when they finish just feel they absolutely must tell someone about it and they want to do it via a mail message.
[05:58] <YankDownUnder> So you should be able to follow through the postfix setups for an isolated server...that doesn't connect to the "world" as it were...
[05:59] <YankDownUnder> http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[05:59] <jim__> yep, thats my goal
[05:59] <YankDownUnder> Look at "postfix on a null client"
[05:59] <YankDownUnder> Easy done.
[06:00] <jim__> thanks, I'll take a look at it.
[06:01] <Dat> is it worth upgrading to 16.04 from 14.04?
[06:01] <YankDownUnder> Yes.
[06:01] <Dat> YankDownUnder: can you tell me any reasons why?
[06:02] <YankDownUnder> Pretty colours.
[06:02] <Dat> I know in the past when I did an upgrade somethings work some didn't
[06:02] <YankDownUnder> JOKING...better device support, more current drivers for network devices and the likes...
[06:02] <Dat> YankDownUnder: anything besides that?
[06:02] <Dat> hrmm
[06:03] <Dat> is 14.04 life cycle dead? or is it still being supported?
[06:03] <reisio> well you can't avoid updating forever
[06:03] <Dat> and i heard the new 16.04 uses systemd does that change things abit ?
[06:03] <reisio> I mean you can, but you'll regret it eventually
[06:03] <YankDownUnder> Dat: The kernels are quite smooth...I've tested Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and also Ubuntu with AfterStep, WindowMaker, Englightenment, Openlook Virtual Window Manager, Ubuntu server....Samba is smooth as with Ubuntu server...and I've had very few issues with wifi and sound drivers.
[06:03]  * YankDownUnder likes systemd
[06:03] <reisio> Dat: sure, some
[06:04] <YankDownUnder> (My preference, though)
[06:04] <Dat> hrmm i guess i may have to learn systemd
[06:04] <reisio> if you want to use a distro that uses it, probably
[06:04] <Dat> reisio: yeah i try and avoid updates as much as i can, it seems when i update i get the latest and greatest bugs
[06:05] <Dat> reisio: i currently use kubuntu
[06:05] <deaincaelo> Also, it defaulted back to internal microphone, adter I changed it to microphone (unplugged)
[06:05] <Dat> 14.04
[06:05] <joshh20> I think I may switch from Linux to systemd soon
[06:05] <reisio> joshh20: heh
[06:06] <reisio> deaincaelo: did it work while it was set to 'unplugged'?
[06:06] <jim__> systemd, as I read it, is a boot process that gets all in a hurry to try to do as little as possible until it has to.
[06:06] <reisio> Dat: some distros make more drastic changes from version to version than others
[06:06] <Dat> i just updated my mac from 10.6 to the new el capitan that i have been avoiding for along while, seems nice but I need more ram :(
[06:06] <reisio> the distro I use, for example, has had the same init system the entire 16 or so years I've been using it
[06:06] <reisio> with no particular signs of changing
[06:07] <Dat> reisio: what distro is that?
[06:07] <reisio> mmm, could probably afford more ram if you didn't spend so much on brushed metal
[06:07] <reisio> Dat: the one I chose
[06:07] <deaincaelo> reisio, yes it did. At least it responded correctly in the bar. It also responds the same if I set it to internal microphone and turn down either channel.
[06:07] <Dat> mmmk
[06:08] <reisio> deaincaelo: okay, then you can just script it to change to the unplugged setting every time you start the system
[06:08] <Dat> anyone living with a cd/dvd player or burner on their system?
[06:08] <reisio> hacky, but in a pragmatic way
[06:08] <Dat> mine has wentout but im conflicted if i should replace it
[06:09] <deaincaelo> I would have to run that script multiple times if it keeps changing the setting during runtime.
[06:09] <YankDownUnder> I've got a nice external CD/DVD that is used when it's actually needed...otherwise, it collects dust and makes a good partial bookend.
[06:09] <irwiss> could just grab external
[06:10] <Dat> YankDownUnder: i was thinking the same, maybe invest in a external but i wonder if my internal cd/dvd burner could be converted into hard-drive space.
[06:10] <Dat> YankDownUnder: do you have a setup like that?
[06:12] <YankDownUnder> Dat: I've give up all my "big" machines for laptops and mini-ATX machines - so, fairly everything is external. The linux servers and workstations mount directly behind the LCD monitors - ditto with servers - and HD space is all externals and "arrays"...does that make sense? I don't like mucking about with fans and dust anymore...and space, well, space is always at a premium...ergo, mini-things and external things...easier to
[06:12] <YankDownUnder> maintain and deal with.
[06:13] <Dat> hrmm sounds good think i know what i'll do thx
[06:15] <inerkick> Hi. Kindly help with this issue. http://paste.ubuntu.com/18866967/
[06:31] <Dat> oh wow
[06:31] <Dat> i do a do-release-upgrade and it says there is nothing to update
[06:31] <Dat> so I have to install 16.04 fresh?
[06:31] <YankDownUnder> Dat: What are you upgrading from?
[06:32] <Dat> YankDownUnder: 14.04
[06:32] <YankDownUnder> Dat: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes
[06:35] <Dat> hrmm
[06:35] <Dat> so maybe i can't go from 14.04 to 16.04
[06:36] <Dat> how come do-release-upgrade -d seems to give me results?
[06:36] <Dat> is 16.04 not offically released yet?
[06:37] <plop_its_ellie> it is
[06:37] <joshh20> Hello, I am attempting to start a GRE tunnel upon reboot but for some reason the ip route commands aren't being run by crontab
[06:37] <Dat> hrmm ok
[06:37] <plop_its_ellie> Dat, for lts releases they dont show up in the updater until its been out for a year
[06:38] <YankDownUnder> Dat: If you can't go from 14.04 but millions of other folks can, then there's something bigger to worry about, eh? :)
[06:38] <plop_its_ellie> YankDownUnder, they dont show up in the updates until its been out for a year
[06:39] <plop_its_ellie> most likely for stability reasons, lts releases are all about stability
[06:39] <tgm4883> not a year, the first point release
[06:39] <tgm4883> !ltsupgrade
[06:39] <plop_its_ellie> tgm4883, thanks for the clarifacation
[06:39] <Dat> darn i got disconnected
[06:39] <plop_its_ellie> wow thats actually sooner than i thought
[06:40] <Dat> plop_its_ellie: you think its safe to go the do-release-upgrade -d route or just install fresh?
[06:41] <plop_its_ellie> Dat, personally i would just back up my data and install fresh
[06:41] <tgm4883> Dat: you could also just wait 2 weeks
[06:41] <Dat> plop_its_ellie: i was already on a fresh install so i have nothing to loose
[06:41] <plop_its_ellie> but i would wait probably a couple weeks to a month after the .1 release before doing the upgrade
[06:41] <plop_its_ellie> and test it on a non production system in the meantime
[06:41] <plop_its_ellie> 16.04 still has some bugs...
[06:42] <Dat> plop_its_ellie: ahh gotcha
[06:42] <Dat> maybe I should go with 15.04 for now
[06:42] <plop_its_ellie> Dat, i wouldnt recommend that
[06:42] <plop_its_ellie> its not even supported anymore
[06:42] <plop_its_ellie> just stick to 14.04 in the mean time
[06:42] <Dat> oh dang
[06:43] <Dat> ;/
[06:43] <plop_its_ellie> whats wrong with 14.04?
[06:43] <Dat> nothing at all that I can see
[06:43] <Dat> always worked well for me.
[06:43] <plop_its_ellie> well there you go :)
[06:44] <Dat> i was just trying to get the latest and greatest since im on a fresh install
[06:44] <plop_its_ellie> well if you are going to do a fresh install, no uprgades i guess you might as well go 16.04 tho
[06:45] <plop_its_ellie> just keep in mine that there are some bugs tho...
[06:45] <plop_its_ellie> otherwise if you want more stability then wait a bit longer on 14.04
[06:45] <Dat> gotcha
[06:45] <Dat> i like stableness
[06:45] <Dat> so 14.04 it is
[06:46] <Dat> i suppose I'll kill the do-release and re-install
[06:46] <Dat> thx for the tips plop_its_ellie! :)
[06:46] <plop_its_ellie> yep :)
[06:52] <joshh20> Hello, I am attempting to start a GRE tunnel upon reboot but for some reason the ip route commands aren't being run by crontab
[06:56] <tortib> How do I install JACK in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[06:57] <jim>  is there a jackd package?
[06:58] <mutante> jim: yes, in xenial
[06:59] <tortib> jim, I downloaded cadence from kxstudio
[06:59] <mutante> jim: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=jackd&searchon=names
[06:59] <YankDownUnder> sudo apt-get jack jack-tools
[06:59] <jim> I've got jackd and jackd2 installed
[07:01] <tortib> YankDownUnder, how do i start it?
[07:01] <YankDownUnder> sudo service jackd start
[07:02] <tortib> Failed to start jackd.service: Unit jackd.service not found.
[07:02] <YankDownUnder> tortib: Might have to use the systemd control panel to start it (for 16.04)
[07:02] <jim> you can use qjackctl
[07:03] <tortib> YankDownUnder, same error
[07:03] <tortib> how do i start it tho
[07:03] <tortib> i want it to be seamless
[07:03] <YankDownUnder> tortib: As jim stated...
[07:04] <tortib> i installed qjackctl
[07:05] <mutante> sounds like it's missing a unit file for systemd. you could write one and put it in /etc/system/system. it's not super hard. and then you have proper service ...
[07:05] <tortib> qjackctl works but I don't want to open up qjackctl every time
[07:05] <mutante> tortib: re: seamless
[07:05] <jim> probably you're running pa
[07:05] <YankDownUnder> tortib: Interesting read here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/572120/how-to-use-jack-and-pulseaudio-alsa-at-the-same-time-on-the-same-audio-device
[07:06] <jim> you may need to get jack running with alsa driver, and pa running with pa - jack bridge
[07:06] <tortib> YankDownUnder, hah that's all i needed was install pulseaudio-module-jack
[07:07] <YankDownUnder> Si.
[07:08] <tortib> okay now i need to figure out how to get this vst -> .so bridge working for bitwig
[07:08] <jim> that part, I'm lucky if I can make a guess that;s useful... I never used vsts
[07:09] <tortib> well i'm using airwave to bridge the vst with wine from a dll to a so
[07:09] <tortib> i put them in the plugins dir for bitwig but it isn't working
[07:10] <jim> what did the strace listing reveal about where it was loading things from?
[07:11] <OerHeks> tortib, as bitwig is commercial, they sure love to help you
[07:13] <mutante> what are all these modern things you are talking about :) i'd have to search every second term first...  oh DJing .. cool
[07:14] <tortib> OerHeks, yeah i'll email them
[07:15] <OerHeks> tortib, why? #bitwig and #bitwig-dev on #freenode
[07:16] <fengyuwei> fesfsefs
[07:26] <tortib> OerHeks, there is nobody in there
[07:26] <tortib> OerHeks, there are people in there but very few and nobody talks
[07:54] <jackbrown> is there anyone expert in GRUB?
[07:55] <Ben64> for best results, ask your real question
[07:56] <jackbrown> Ben64:  thanks on my system I would like to avoid to Windows 10 to manage the boot of windows XP (I have grub and LinuxMint 18 installed)
[07:56] <jackbrown> Ben64 did  I make myself clear?
[07:57] <Jordan_U> !mint | jackbrown
[07:57] <jackbrown> I'm talking about grub it's a generic question
[07:58] <cfhowlett> jackbrown, you' re on mint.  use mint channels for support.
[07:58] <Ben64> this isn't a generic channel, this channel is for Ubuntu only
[07:58] <YankDownUnder> (there's an IRC server and channel run by Mint for Mint by Mint people and Mint users...info is on their website)
[07:59] <tgm4883>  !mint
[08:23] <BenSolo|Cell> Did Ubuntu really move to Wayland...
[08:24] <BenSolo|Cell> Will there still he a LTS for an Xorg version?
[08:24] <cfhowlett> !wayland | BenSolo|Cell
[08:24] <BenSolo|Cell> Oh Mir even worse..  All my old boxes won't work great.
[08:25] <Prelude2004c> hey everyone good evening ... i have a GRE tunnel ... one one end its a public IP but on the other i have a NAT and i have a port forward of  say port 1234 > port 22 .. how do i set the gre up so it uses the remote ip with port ?
[08:25] <BenSolo|Cell> Hope there will be an LTS Xorg version
[08:26] <Prelude2004c> http://pastebin.com/raw/RWNrnS8W
[08:26] <tatertots> BenSolo don't be so pessimistic about things other than xorg...maybe it'll be a change for the better
[08:26] <BenSolo|Cell> Prelude2004c: I'm betting the guys in #Networking will be of better assistance if no one here can help.
[08:26] <BenSolo|Cell> I wasn't being pessimistic I was being realistic I have to move all my boxes to another Distro now.
[08:27] <Prelude2004c> cool thank you
[08:27] <BenSolo|Cell> Mir doesn't have support for a third of the old cards Xorg does.
[08:27] <ducasse> BenSolo|Cell: 16.04 still uses xorg, so you've got at least another 5 years.
[08:27] <BenSolo|Cell> Np Prelude2004c hope ya get that figured out buddy.
[08:28] <BenSolo|Cell> ducasse: Yeah thats true.
[08:29] <ducasse> BenSolo|Cell: i wouldn't panic quite yet :)
[08:29] <tatertots> that's understandable BenSolo...heck i've got a few boxes with AMD radeon gpu's and software that requires proprietary driver that spell dooms day for me too
[08:29] <tatertots> it is what it is
[08:30] <BenSolo|Cell> Yeah well Linux is all about support for old hardware just don't see why they would switch away from a perfectly working display platform that supports 1000s of old cars.
[08:30] <tatertots> that's one of the reasons several of my boxes will remain on Ubuntu 12.04 until i decommission them
[08:30] <BenSolo|Cell> Cards.
[08:31] <cfhowlett> I feel the same way about my reel to reel tape recorder.  NO GOOD REASON not to support them!
[08:31] <BenSolo|Cell> But then again I guess Ubuntu is more useful for introducing windows users to Linux Desktop.
[08:31] <tatertots> next year i'll take the ol 12.04 LTS boxes out back and shoot them
[08:32] <sponix> tatertots: You should Donate them to a Library or School :)
[08:33] <BenSolo|Cell> In Portland we have a non profit called Freegeek,  peope recycle old computers there and kids can volunteer there to get a free computer. Build 12 get 1 for free.  Learn all about hardware and Linux it's a good deal.
[08:34] <tatertots> i hope amd and the green team find a way to keep their proprietary drivers relevant while at the same time not dropping support for older gpu's......wishful thinking i know but a guy can dream can't he
[08:34] <BenSolo|Cell> They also have a thift store where you can buy dirt cheap tested used pc parts.
[08:35] <tatertots> thanks BenSolo i'm depressed now :(
[08:35] <tatertots> j/k
[08:35] <BenSolo|Cell> Always nice to go pickup a 2 dollar working keyboard or mouse. Get some cheap memory etc.
[08:35] <BenSolo|Cell> Hard drives galore.
[08:36] <BenSolo|Cell> I picked up 10 500GBs for 30 bucks.
[08:36] <Dat> how can I get my bluetooth to work in ubuntu it says no adapaters found but lsusb picks it up
[08:36] <MonkeyDust> Dat  install blueman
[08:37] <BenSolo|Cell> All the boxes they make goto families in poverty. It's cool.
[08:37] <MonkeyDust> BenSolo|Cell  take the story to #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:37] <Dat> MonkeyDust: thanks I will give that a go
[08:38] <tatertots> i guess something had to break my dependence on amd/nvidia proprietary drivers
[08:38] <BenSolo|Cell> Dat you need 2 things..  The module for your Bluetooth adapter and a Bluetooth manager like blue man
[08:38] <varaindemian> I installed this package https://github.com/aacebedo/i3-xfce and now I don't know how to continue https://paste.ubuntu.com/18874239/
[08:38] <Dat> BenSolo|Cell: how can I get the module for my bluetooth?
[08:38] <BenSolo|Cell> If ya found it in lusb search the name of the card like apt-cache search cardname
[08:38] <cfhowlett> varaindemian, see instruction # 13
[08:39] <Dat> Hrmm ok I'll check
[08:39] <paranoidabhi> hi
[08:39] <BenSolo|Cell> Dat I just told you.
[08:39] <paranoidabhi> I had asked this question but got no answers if possible can you guys have a look http://askubuntu.com/questions/795169/kde-slow-boot-on-kubuntu-16-04
[08:40] <cfhowlett> paranoidabhi, and your specs are???
[08:40] <cfhowlett> ah, never mind
[08:40] <Dat> Bus 003 Device 003: ID 0cf3:3005 Atheros Communications, Inc. AR3011 Bluetooth so i would search for atheros?
[08:43] <YankDownUnder> paranoidabhi: Are you booting to the login screen, or automatic login?
[08:47] <paranoidabhi> YankDownUnder, automatic login
[08:48] <paranoidabhi> cfhowlett, Please check this http://askubuntu.com/questions/795169/kde-slow-boot-on-kubuntu-16-04#comment1197419_795169
[08:49] <cfhowlett> paranoidabhi, I did indeed see that.  sorry, can't add anything useful.
[08:49] <YankDownUnder> paranoidabhi: As a test, why not turn off the automatic login, and as well, create a brand new user -> reboot so that it goes to the "display manager" - the login screen -> that will tell you how fast the SYSTEM boots...and then, time the login of the new account, and time the account you already use. You may find that it's actually KDE/Plasma that takes a while to load itself - as opposed to the system...hmm...
[08:50] <YankDownUnder> paranoidabhi: And I shall validate this, mate - I run KDE/Plasma - and it's a slow load - as opposed to other window managers/desktops...so, you'd not be alone in that bit...
[08:51] <paranoidabhi> YankDownUnder, by slow, what time are you looking at?
[08:51] <YankDownUnder> paranoidabhi: My actual "workstation" - this one - that I'm typing on - takes approximately 9 seconds to boot to the login screen. KDE/Plasma, however, takes at least 20 seconds or longer to get to the desktop...
[08:51] <tgm4883> paranoidabhi: laptop?
[08:52] <paranoidabhi> YankDownUnder, I tried that the kde part takes 1:30 min itself and ubuntu takes 1 min
[08:52] <paranoidabhi> tgm4883, yes
[08:52] <YankDownUnder> paranoidabhi: THAT is a bit on the "strange" side...what is the actual speed of the HDD you've got?
[08:53] <YankDownUnder> 5400rpm?
[08:53] <tgm4883> paranoidabhi: out of curiosity, what happens if you plug an ethernet cable in and boot
[08:53] <prabhakar> hi
[08:54] <MonkeyDust> paranoidabhi  here too, userspace takes about 1 min, so it's kinda normal, i guess
[08:54] <paranoidabhi> YankDownUnder,  yes it is  5400 rpm
[08:54] <YankDownUnder> paranoidabhi: Thought so...
[08:54] <paranoidabhi> YankDownUnder, is that less?
[08:54] <paranoidabhi> tgm4883, interesting, why do say that?
[08:54] <tgm4883> paranoidabhi: because I see lots of time associated with network manager
[08:55] <YankDownUnder> paranoidabhi: My missus had a 5400rpm drive - changed it to a 7200rpm drive - things were vastly different after that - as well, I tweaked the drive settings with hdparm and ureadahead
[09:01] <varaindemian> cfhowlett: where do I execute i3-xfce install?
[09:02] <ducasse> varaindemian: ask the guy who wrote it.
[09:02] <varaindemian> ducasse: cfhowlett said that I should see intruction 13..
[09:03] <varaindemian> ducasse: Any clue where is that?
[09:03] <YankDownUnder> varaindemian: What exactly are you trying to accomplish? What IS i3-xfce...?
[09:04] <paranoidabhi> tgm4883, This is a bug(https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104351) I facing right now. Do you think it is connected to boot
[09:04] <varaindemian> YankDownUnder: I installed this package https://github.com/aacebedo/i3-xfce and now I don't know how to continue https://paste.ubuntu.com/18874239/
[09:05] <ducasse> varaindemian: he probably meant "read the instructions, then follow them". random github projects are not supported here, but by their authors.
[09:06] <MonkeyDust> varaindemian  your lines are hard to read and follow, because you only use links to be opened ... type full sentences
[09:06] <YankDownUnder> varaindemian: Let me get this straight - you installed a program directly from github...and now you want to "run" it, but apparently you've not actually read much up on the program that you just installed, and you wish for someone else to tell you how to run this program, correct?
[09:07] <varaindemian> YankDownUnder: Afet pip3 install i3-xfce, I don't know where that thing is isntalled
[09:08] <paranoidabhi> YankDownUnder, I also use ureadahead, but it hasn't made much difference. Can you illustrate on the hdparm settings if possible.
[09:08] <YankDownUnder> varaindemian: I suppose simply put, you've installed a program that you've not really read much about. let alone the documentation on it (and it would appear to be something for XFCe, not Ubuntu), and you're seeking support - right...so, have you considered reading through the "wiki" on the github site for this project? Or the manual?
[09:09] <YankDownUnder> paranoidabhi: yeah, if the drive is slow-AS, ain't much going to help, really...unless you want to use a 32-bit version of the OS - or just an older kernel/version/distro - you MIGHT be able to tweak a bit with hdparm (if it's not installed already)
[09:10] <YankDownUnder> paranoidabhi: http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Features/Tune-Your-Hard-Disk-with-hdparm
[09:11] <YankDownUnder> Right. Pizza and sushi time. Cheerio.
[09:11] <varaindemian> YankDownUnder: manual?
[09:12] <thinky> hello
[09:12] <ducasse> varaindemian: read the instructions on the github page
[09:12] <varaindemian> YankDownUnder: Also, it should work on Ubuntu
[09:12] <thinky> i was trying to install opera on ubuntu 16.04
[09:12] <thinky> with this website guide :
[09:12] <thinky> http://www.ubuntumaniac.com/2016/03/opera-360-is-released-install-on-ubuntu.html
[09:13] <thinky> but it faced some error
[09:13] <MonkeyDust> !find opera
[09:13] <varaindemian> ducasse: I tried i3-xfce install and it says i3-xfce: command not found
[09:13] <ducasse> varaindemian: you are not listening - we don't support it.
[09:14] <MonkeyDust> varaindemian  this channel can do nothing for you
[09:14] <thinky> when i do sudo apt update; apt full-upgrade it is giving this error :
[09:14] <salman> Hello! I have been looking for installing ap-hotspot on my ubuntu mate but all my attempts have been in vain so far... When I add a PPA, I get this error message: Unable to locate package ap-hotspot
[09:14] <salman> .... Earlier I was using linux mate older version and it was working fine there... Could anyone please help me?
[09:14] <thinky> http://paste.ubuntu.com/18876008/
[09:16] <thinky> what can i do to fix errors and warnings showing here : http://paste.ubuntu.com/18876008/ ?
[09:16] <Dat> hrmm i lost some of my scripts that did some things for my asus hopefully i remember how to put them back
[09:17] <thinky> please help about the errors
[09:17] <tgm4883> thinky: did you run that with sudo?
[09:18] <tgm4883> salman: what PPA, and what is the output of "lsb_release -a"
[09:18] <thinky> yes tgm4883
[09:18] <thinky> i am newbie about ubuntu
[09:18] <tgm4883> thinky: wait a few minutes and try again
[09:18] <thinky> tgm4883: did u check the paste i pasted ?
[09:19] <thinky> warnings and error ?
[09:19] <tgm4883> thinky: the one that asked "are you root"?
[09:19] <thinky> i can see opera icon installed but it doesnt work
[09:19] <thinky> yes tgm4883
[09:19] <tgm4883> thinky: It's far too late for this
[09:19] <OerHeks> "/etc/apt/sources.list:5 and /etc/apt/sources.list:19" strange list numbers
[09:19] <thinky> tgm4883: what do u suggest me to do now?
[09:20] <tgm4883> OerHeks: those are fine
[09:20] <tgm4883> I mean, they should probably be cleaned up, but those are line numbers
[09:20] <vaibhavmule> djanog
[09:20] <salman> I have been trying to add the following PPA:nilarimogard/webupd8
[09:20] <salman> Here is the output of the command "lsb_release -a"
[09:20] <salman> No LSB modules are available.
[09:20] <salman> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[09:20] <salman> Description:	Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[09:21] <salman> Release:	16.04
[09:21] <vaibhavmule> join /django
[09:21] <thinky> sudo dpkg -i opera-stable_36.0.2130.32_i386.deb  this command returned with error : http://paste.ubuntu.com/18876254/
[09:21] <vaibhavmule> join #django
[09:21] <thinky> then i made this command : sudo dpkg -i --force-depends *.deb  and sudo apt-get install -f
[09:22] <paranoidabhi> It is possible to use ssd as well hdd on a laptop.
[09:22] <tortib> I'm using vst-bridge and whenever I start up bigwig and scan the plugins wine shows a window that says that the vst-bridge-host-64.exe crashed
[09:22] <tgm4883> salman: that package doesn't exist for 16.04
[09:23] <salman> Thanks for the information. Is there any alternate program for creating a hotspot on my machine?
[09:24] <thinky> " sudo apt-get install -f  " this command is returning with warning " WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed. This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!   apt 0 upgraded, 77 newly installed, 5 to remove and 2 not upgraded. Need to get 13.6 MB of archives. After this operation, 44.3 MB of additional disk space will be used. You are about to do something potentially harmful. To continue type i
[09:25] <OerHeks> clear error: You are about to do something potentially harmful
[09:26] <thinky> i wish i could clear OerHeks :S
[09:26] <thinky> i dont know what to do
[09:26] <OerHeks> your first error says missing apt-transport-https, install that first?
[09:27] <thinky> how to install ?
[09:27] <thinky> sudo apt-get install apt-transport-https  ?
[09:28] <kubanc> I have made some changes in ufw. Do I need to restart the ufw so that changes could make some effect=?
[09:28] <OerHeks> thinky, that should work
[09:29] <thinky> i did but still same
[09:30] <thinky> what do all these warnings mean  here :  http://paste.ubuntu.com/18876642/   ?
[09:30] <youxin> hello
[09:31] <youxin> what is labavcodec means?
[09:33] <OerHeks> thinky, double entries somehowe, i386 and amd64
[09:33] <thinky> how can i fix that?
[09:34] <youxin> why I can't play video in Ubuntu ? It shows to install pulgins and when I try to install it shows libvacodec error
[09:35] <pactos> hi
[09:35] <Ben64> youxin: try using mpv or mplayer2 or mplayer or smplayer
[09:35] <pactos> welcome junky
[09:37] <youxin> I tried to install the those media players like vlc, mplayer2 but unfortunately those players can't be download
[09:37] <OerHeks> thinky, how do those get there? did you add archtecture i386 or something?
[09:37] <OerHeks> or manual?
[09:38] <Ben64> youxin: why not
[09:38] <paranoidabhi> have any of you used mSATA SSD ? I can't a good tutorial for ubuntu, how hard is it to do a running ubuntu hdd laptop?
[09:38] <thinky> no as i remember
[09:39] <Ben64> paranoidabhi: no idea what you mean by "to do a running ubuntu hdd laptop" but you can install to ssd like any other drive in ubuntu and it'll work
[09:39] <stavros_pamfila> Hello, is this possible on ubuntu ? (and flavors, kubuntu, xubuntu, mate) http://www.nurgo-software.com/images/AquaSnap/GroupSize.gif
[09:39] <thinky> now i did something : Reset your repositories like this  sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list sudo software-properties-gtk Pick your options Save
[09:39] <thinky> like explained here : http://askubuntu.com/questions/760746/how-to-fix-error-w-target-packages-main-binary-amd64-packages-is-configured-m
[09:40] <youxin> Ben64 : it shows me some error while downloading
[09:40] <paranoidabhi> Ben64, I want to migrate the existing one to ssd and the use hdd also.
[09:40] <Ben64> youxin: what error...
[09:40] <Ben64> paranoidabhi: i'd recommend fresh install
[09:40] <thinky> OerHeks: warnings are gone but just error is there after i tried installing opera : http://paste.ubuntu.com/18877134/
[09:41] <thinky> how can i remove it totally and install it properly ?
[09:41] <youxin> About package dependecies :
[09:41] <youxin> The following packages have unmet dependencies:  vlc: Depends: vlc-nox (= 2.1.6-0ubuntu14.04.2) but 2.1.6-0ubuntu14.04.2 is to be installed      Depends: libc6 (>= 2.15) but 2.19-0ubuntu6.9 is to be installed      Depends: libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1) but 2.5.2-1ubuntu2.5 is to be installed      Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1) but 1:4.9.3-0ubuntu4 is to be installed      Depends: libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.8.0) but 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubu
[09:41] <Ben64> youxin: i didn't say vlc...
[09:42] <OerHeks> thinky, 2nd part 'apt full-upgrade' need sudo too
[09:43] <thinky> OerHeks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/18877257/
[09:43] <youxin> Ben64: It shows the same package dependecies error
[09:43] <youxin> The following packages have unmet dependencies:  mplayer2: Depends: libavcodec-extra-54 (>= 6:9.11) but 6:9.18-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> is to be installed           Depends: libavformat54 (>= 6:9.1-1) but 6:9.18-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> is to be installed           Depends: libavresample1 (>= 6:9.1-1) but 6:9.18-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> is to be installed           Depends: libavutil52 (>= 6:9.1-1) but 6:9.18-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> is to be installed           De
[09:44] <ducasse> youxin: use a pastebin, please
[09:44] <OerHeks> the error is clear and gives a clue ..
[09:44] <thinky> OerHeks: i tried " sudo apt-get install -f "
[09:44] <thinky> but no luck
[09:45] <OerHeks> why installing 32 bit opera when you have a 64 bit system
[09:45] <thinky> u are right
[09:45] <thinky> how can i clear everything related opera ?
[09:47] <OerHeks> not sure ppa-purge would work with ts 3rd party ppa
[09:47] <OerHeks> !ppapurge
[09:48] <thinky> i dont know what is repository for opera :S
[09:49] <lorme> ？
[09:49] <lorme> hello
[09:50] <kubanc> I made some changes in before.rules for ufw, do so I need to restart ufw so that changes can be applyed?
[09:51] <thinky> done OerHeks
[09:51] <thinky> removed opera thx god
[09:51] <ducasse> kubanc: 'ufw reload' according to the man page..
[09:51]  * quizzy85 nOOb IRC
[09:53] <lorme> ?
[09:53] <lorme> quit
[09:55] <jonky> I remember reading a while back that, due to some bug, the graphics drivers sources fglrx and fglrx-updates were the same. is that still true?
[09:59] <thinky> OerHeks: installed opera 64bit
[09:59] <OerHeks> :-)
[10:00] <lorme> ohooooooo!
[10:06] <box> ##science
[10:21] <sudo> hello
[10:21] <quizzy85> hello su
[10:21] <sudo> How do I broadcast my hostname in LAN ?
[10:24] <sudo> I made a custom server (minimal) and now I want the name of my machine to be broadcasted for those who run as client.
[10:26] <akik> sudo: i think that's what avahi does
[10:26] <akik> avahi-daemon
[10:26] <sudo> Elaborate a little for it please ?
[10:27] <ducasse> sudo: elaborate what you want to do
[10:27] <akik> dns service discovery (dns-sd)
[10:29] <sudo> trying to achieve something like in ShareIt app in android
[10:31] <sudo> Btw at client side how would they listen to broadcasted name ?
[10:31] <sudo> any method call for it ?
[10:32] <sudo> braodcasted name(s)
[10:33] <Nishikino-Maki> hey i install the no desktop ver ubuntu and i install xubuntu-desktop HDMI screen it's seem normal but in VNC is only show me a Termwindow
[10:33] <Nishikino-Maki> is vnc not Auto Configuration?
[10:35] <Nishikino-Maki> also vnc4server is working but x11vnc is not
[10:41] <darvin> hello
[10:41] <Davti> Wow, hello!
[10:42] <Davti> Can access the terminal of my created container in ubuntu touch|
[10:43] <mcfdez87> Hello. I installed Virtual Box on my ubuntu for put another ubuntu dsitro inside the guest. To have an internet connection in the guest I select bridge adapter in VBox configuration, but the guest ubuntu can't connect. If I make a "ifconfig" on the guest I see that there is not IP assigned. Any suggestion please?
[10:44] <sudo> mcfdez87, which adapter type (wlan0 | eth0) did you choose ?
[10:46] <mcfdez87> sudo, wlan0
[10:47] <sudo> Are you sure wireless is active on host machine ?
[10:47] <mcfdez87> sudo, yes in host machine works fine
[10:48] <sudo> Does ifconfig shows adapter ?
[10:49] <sudo> for bridge
[10:50] <mcfdez87> sudo, yes the command show lo and enp03. I think that enp0s3 is the "virtual" adapter
[10:50] <mcfdez87> but there is no IP address assigned to this adapter
[10:51] <ducasse> mcfdez87: you will either need to assign a static address or request one via dhcp
[10:52] <mcfdez87> ducasse, where need to do this,throught the guest ubuntu (in network maneger)?
[10:52] <MonkeyDust> mcfdez87  try NAT instead of bridged, for testing purposes
[10:52] <ducasse> mcfdez87: if you are using network manager, yes.
[10:53] <mcfdez87> MonkeyDust, NAT works fine
[10:53] <sudo> ducasse, dhcp works by default in Virtualbox if you connect by bridge !
[10:56] <sudo> mcfdez87, check your settings in network for that machine and verify if everything proper.
[10:56] <mcfdez87> sudo, in the guest?
[10:57] <sudo> virtualbox setting
[10:58] <mcfdez87> ducasse, I launched (in guest) dhclient enp0s3 to request a new address, but it stills with this message a lot of time: DHCPDISCOVER on enp0s3 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67
[11:00] <mcfdez87> sudo, in the settigs fo the machine I have all correct. One question, I see a dropdown in "Adapter type" and I see some options. How I know what need to select?
[11:02] <Muftware> I have just installed ubuntu 16.04, but there is some problem with software centre. Its showing only the installed softwares and i m not able to install any other software
[11:02] <Guest943> Hi folks, external monitor not working after 16.04 upgrade. Thoughts?
[11:03] <MonkeyDust> Guest943  start with the command 'xrandr', in a terminal
[11:04] <Guest943> done, shall I paste the output?
[11:04] <sudo> mcfdez87, that shows different network adapter hardwares in your system !
[11:04] <Guest943> I'm guessing this is the problem? 'HDMI1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)'
[11:05] <sudo> mcfdez87, what options in short available to you
[11:06] <mcfdez87> sudo, ducasse throught the network manager of the guest ubuntu I seeted a manual IP in the DHClient tab and now when I do ifconfig I see that the adapter has an IP and the icon shows connected, but I not have internet connection. Maybe because the router not assigned the connection?
[11:07] <mcfdez87> sudo, I will try with all options
[11:10] <sudo> mcfdez87, try pinging the host from virtualmachine
[11:10] <sudo> "ping hostmachine_addr"
[11:12] <sudo> and from hostmachine to virtualbox address too !
[11:12] <sudo> *virtual machine address"
[11:13] <Guest943> fixed, dodgy adapter!
[11:14] <flrns> hey guys. got some problems with an sdxc card. my phone (where it was) suddenly said it had a damaged filesystem. after I made a backup of the most important stuff, I tried reformating the card (via android) - didn't work.
[11:15] <sudo> flrns, only ubuntu related issues !
[11:16] <flrns> okay, sorry. got a hint where I can ask my question though?
[11:16] <flrns> @sudo
[11:17] <ducasse> flrns: you can try to format it from ubuntu, but be aware that most variants of mkfs just does a quick format, not a full one.
[11:19] <flrns> yeah i tried, nothing worked, ducasse. was going to describe more details and what I've done, but since sudo reminded me to not talk about non-ubuntu-issues here, I rather won't
[11:20] <MonkeyDust> !phone | flrns
[11:21] <flrns> MonkeyDust: it's not a Ubuntu Phone. it's just some general issue with a damaged fat-filesystem
[11:22] <ducasse> flrns: you could try to run 'mkfs.fat -c ...' to check for bad blocks. that's the only suggestion i've got, though, i would just discard it if has started giving problems.
[11:25] <flrns> ducasse: thanks. I've already tried several checks (testdisk, dosfsck, fsck), but I will try. thanks again.
[11:26] <Guest25043> my computer run ubuntu? 2.2G cpu 2G memory?
[11:29] <ducasse> Guest25043: xubuntu or lubuntu should be fine, maybe mate, 2g ram might be a bit small for unity, kde or gnome.
[11:30] <sudo> Can somebody just iilustrate on how to use avahi-daemon to broadcast hostname ?
[11:31] <ducasse> sudo: just install and start it, and it will broadcast services.
[11:32] <sudo> start it for a particular service given port ?
[11:32] <sudo> *on given
[11:32] <ducasse> sudo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToZeroconf
[11:41] <brainsto> What is the difference between software rendering x and just x?
[11:41] <brainsto> software rendering cinnamon and cinnamon for instance
[11:41] <brainsto> at the login screen
[11:41] <ducasse> brainsto: software rendering is done by the cpu, not the gpu.
[11:42] <brainsto> I tried software rendeing and it is slower then ususal
[11:43] <ducasse> brainsto: eh, yes, because it is not hardware accellerated.
[11:43] <brainsto> ducasse: I never knew there was something like gpu, I only know cpu
[11:43] <brainsto> :O
[11:43] <ioria> brainsto, http://askubuntu.com/questions/393217/what-is-the-difference-between-cinnamon-and-cinnamon-software-rendering-when-c
[11:50] <brainsto> my computer shutdown unexpectedly
[11:50] <brainsto> did I miss any message meant for me
[11:54] <Phenx> wutup?
[11:55] <Phenx> soo
[11:55] <Phenx> is it really hit or miss with installing ubuntu>?
[11:55] <Phenx> from usb?
[11:55] <Phenx> oor am i just being impatient on getting astable iso in my usb
[11:56] <Phenx> ?
[11:59] <sudo> hey zeroconf makes use of dns but for that would require a registration on dns on network manager machine. Any way I could just broadcast my name and address both so that client could connect through address (working without dns regitration)
[12:00] <sudo> Or if I can place some method call to get my hostname notified to central dns from ubuntu ?
[12:01] <sudo> even temporary registry would be sufficient for me like in the case if that uses dchp !
[12:01] <sudo> so every time I would register at the connection to network !
[12:03] <sudo> Is there a channel for java ?
[12:04] <ducasse> sudo: i'd guess ##java, ask alis.
[12:08] <sudo> No, the channel is #java I think. But it says invite only. Isn't it possible to connect then ?
[12:09] <sudo> Or is there another channel for general people ?
[12:13] <sudo> I think this channel awakes when time is of midnight in my country
[12:13] <ducasse> sudo: no, it's ##java - read the topic there.
[12:14] <sudo> I can't join "/join ##java" did nothing
[12:14] <ducasse> !alis | sudo
[12:15] <impi> hello
[12:15] <impi> does anyone here have a howto of how to connect to my ubuntu with vnc?
[12:15] <impi> nothing i try wants to worl
[12:15] <impi> work
[12:16] <sudo> what vnc client do you use ?
[12:16] <sudo> vnc client software I mean
[12:18] <ducasse> impi: and which vnc server?
[12:18] <impi> hello ducasse
[12:18] <impi> i tried vcnserver, tightvnc server, all from howto's - some suggested that i set in the start up to use xfce
[12:19] <impi> but in short, i simply can't see my desktop, sometimes I can connect using ports from 5900 - 5905 but i never see the mouse curser move on the remote pc
[12:19] <impi> im trying to control my laptop that is driving my tv screen
[12:21] <ducasse> impi: vnc4server and remmina is a combination that usually works for me, i suggest you try that.
[12:21] <impi> lemme give it a go
[12:21] <impi> thanks
[12:22] <jpmh> when I runa netstat I see tcp6 for ports 80 and 443 but I can connect using ipv4, other ports such as 993 are showing in both tcp and tcp6 - please explain
[12:37] <MonkeyDust> jpmh  maybe in ##networking
[12:45] <Kinder-Pingvi> hi guys! I have too small question. Does ubuntu have community repository like AUR in arch linux?
[12:45] <ducasse> !ppa | Kinder-Pingvi
[12:47] <Kinder-Pingvi> hmm.. thanks ! It's nice case. Earlier I always used only arch linux... tried ubuntu, very nice unity :)
[12:49] <DeeDG> Bonjour
[12:50] <sudo> Hey, what was the exact command to register on a channel?
[12:51] <sudo> It was something like /Nick...  ?
[12:52] <sudo> joined ##linux but can't speak.
[12:52] <MonkeyDust> !register
[12:55] <sudo> It says : Can't change nickname while banned on channel.
[12:56] <MonkeyDust> sudo  banned for no reason, i take it?
[12:56] <sudo> ya, Did it seriously meant that ?
[12:59] <hack-giants> 37mad
[13:01] <Andrea1971> buonasera a tutti
[13:01] <MonkeyDust> !it
[13:03] <hack-giants> hawk-x
[13:03] <HAWK-X> ok
[13:10] <otsoaUnLoco> Does anyone have any idea why my torrent downloads all "pause" at 4.20MB for about a minute with increased cpu usage before resuming? It's so ridiculous I don't even know how to get any info about it
[13:10] <otsoaUnLoco> in transmission
[13:11] <lyze> Hey! Is there a way to sync everything from one ubuntu server to a clean installed different server?
[13:11] <baizon> otsoaUnLoco: try a different torrent client?
[13:11] <lyze> So that basically the new one runs like the old one? (both vservers)
[13:13] <Gregor3000> lyze: have you looked at clonezilla? otherwise rysnc is the software for file syncs.
[13:14] <otsoaUnLoco> I tried Deluge, it also does similar thing though at different threshold. And it only happens in Ubuntu
[13:14] <lyze> Gregor3000, can't use clonezilla since the new hard drive is smaller. Does rsync also work when the other system is different?
[13:15] <Gregor3000> otsoaUnLoco: aside form trying a different client you can also check the logs or monitor activities with top or htop commands to see what is causing the spike (is it the client itself or something else)
[13:15] <otsoaUnLoco> it is the client
[13:15] <otsoaUnLoco> which log should i check?
[13:15] <k00pa> how can I reset / reinstall / fix ubuntu after installing new graphics card
[13:16] <k00pa> I had nvidia proprietary drivers installed for gtx 670 and now with 1070 on the machine the system crashes under 30 seconds or so
[13:16] <otsoaUnLoco> remove drivers
[13:16] <k00pa> and the local consoles are spammed with errors so I cant use those
[13:16] <k00pa> yeh, how
[13:16] <otsoaUnLoco> sudo apt purge nvidia*
[13:16] <k00pa> well I hope that the ssh is enabled because the fuck can't stay up 30 seconds if I log in
[13:17] <sudo> did you called me otsoaUnLoco ?
[13:18] <Gregor3000> lyze: what do you mean system is different? different hardware? rsync or other sync software just syncs the software. smaller disk? make a smaller partition, then clone.
[13:18] <lyze> Gregor3000, yeah different hardware. So basically I can just clone "/" over to the other one?
[13:19] <k00pa> how to stop dmesg spam on the local terminal?
[13:19] <Gregor3000> k00pa: you can boot into text mode from GRUB
[13:19] <Gregor3000> no desktop
[13:19] <k00pa> well there goes the GUI mode
[13:20] <otsoaUnLoco> k00pa have you tried using other kernel?
[13:20] <otsoaUnLoco> I've had similar issues with nvidia drivers
[13:20] <k00pa> it ain't the nvidia drivers
[13:20] <k00pa> or its that I have wrong ones installed because I changed my graphics card
[13:21] <Gregor3000> lyze: wll (ehm should) work if you didn't install any additional drivers, made kernel patches for specifi hardware etc.
[13:21] <k00pa> and this piece of shit can't switch to a fallback driver that doesn't crash
[13:21] <lyze> Gregor3000, nope I didn't, nice!
[13:21] <k00pa> okey, commandline, how do I install the latest nvidia drivers that work?
[13:21] <otsoaUnLoco> sudo apt install nvidia-361
[13:21] <k00pa> thank you
[13:22] <otsoaUnLoco> you're welcome
[13:22] <Gregor3000> k00pa: just boot directly into text mode, remove the proprietary drivers and boot with opensource ones. you should be able to get to GUI (if not try nomodeset boot option) and then use the GUi to install new or latest nvidia drivers.
[13:22] <k00pa> dmesg spam stopped after the driver crashed or something
[13:23] <k00pa> spoilers: the opensource ones crash also
[13:23] <k00pa> same issue
[13:25] <Gregor3000> otsoaUnLoco: just use a multi log viewer and see what is being logged at the time it happens. e.g. lnav
[13:27] <Gregor3000> k00pa: you need 367 driver.
[13:27] <Gregor3000> you may need to do a manual install.
[13:27] <Gregor3000> k00pa: http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/104284/en-us
[13:28] <Gregor3000> Added support for the following GPUs:  GeForce GTX 1080,  GeForce GTX 1070
[13:28] <k00pa> blargh.. okey thanks
[13:28] <k00pa> ye the 361 crashed again
[13:30] <Gregor3000> yes, it doesn't support your card
[13:34] <guest233223> Hi.
[13:34] <guest233223> I am looking at a usb3 graphics card.
[13:34] <guest233223> Has anyone here tried one of those on linux?
[13:35] <k00pa> hahahaa
[13:35] <k00pa> you sure want to shoot yourself in the foot
[13:36] <guest233223> ?
[13:37] <k00pa> Gregor3000: well now I am getting some call trace's... I assume it failed to install it
[13:37] <k00pa> (happening while the install was going)
[13:38] <Gregor3000> k00pa: are you doing manual install? are the kernels and other dependencies satisfied?
[13:39] <Gregor3000> guest233223: why USB card?
[13:39] <tar_ball> I need to administrate my ubuntu installation remotely(on same network) is there any tool which will provide me GUI ?
[13:39] <k00pa> Gregor3000: no idea, I just ran the installer in the root recovery prompt
[13:39] <k00pa> latest ubuntu and shit
[13:39] <Gregor3000> guest233223: you can probably get the whole PC cheaper than that :-)
[13:39] <Wulf> tar_ball: would a fully automated install work for you?
[13:39] <guest233223> Gregor3000:  My laptop makes connecting a pci express card quite difficult.
[13:40] <guest233223> I don't even know if there is an available pci-express solder pad, even if I managed to open it.
[13:40] <Gregor3000> guest233223: so laptops card/chip  is not working?
[13:41] <guest233223> It is, but I want to use 2 monitors with it.
[13:41] <tar_ball> Wulf : not installation but use it remotely , any other tool then ssh which will provide me gui
[13:42] <Wulf> tar_ball: you can control the gui with rdp + vnc
[13:42] <rypervenche> tar_ball: Does your server use a GUI?
[13:42] <pi___> mpc stop
[13:42] <pi___> quit
[13:43] <pi___> exit
[13:43] <Gregor3000> guest233223   :-) : http://www.pcworld.com/article/2984716/laptop-computers/how-to-transform-your-laptop-into-a-gaming-powerhouse-with-an-external-graphics-card.html
[13:43] <pi___> quit
[13:43] <rypervenche> tar_ball: Err, your Ubuntu installation that will be remote.
[13:43] <rypervenche> pi___: /quit
[13:43] <Gregor3000> guest233223: they have USb cards, not sure what their linux support is. they should be good enough for some office work
[13:43] <tar_ball> rypervenche: i want to install it on my raspberry pi and use it on my laptop sue to lack of screen on pi
[13:43] <Gregor3000> guest233223: otherwise usually laptiops usually have an external port.
[13:44] <rypervenche> tar_ball: Which OS will you be installing on the Pi?
[13:44] <guest233223> Gregor3000:  I have a single hdmi port.
[13:44] <Gregor3000> k00pa: nvidia added support for this chip only a few weeks ago.
[13:44] <guest233223> Why lenovo decided to go with hdmi instead of dp is beyond me.
[13:44] <tar_ball> rypervenche: raspbian debian based
[13:45] <tar_ball> Wulf: can you tell me full name of this software
[13:45] <k00pa> how to kill x server
[13:45] <Wulf> tar_ball: xrdp
[13:46] <tar_ball> rypervenche: https://www.raspbian.org/
[13:46] <rypervenche> tar_ball: Are you booting the Pi into GUI mode or not?
[13:46] <Wulf> tar_ball: and x11vnc
[13:46] <tar_ball> rypervenche: it will boot into gui mote
[13:46] <tar_ball> mode*
[13:47] <rypervenche> tar_ball: Then you should use VNC. I personally use x11vnc as my server and remmina as my client.
[13:49] <tar_ball> rypervenche: x11vnc will be installed on server and remmina on client ?
[13:50] <rypervenche> tar_ball: Yes. You can run something like: x11vnc -display :0 -forever (for the server)
[13:50] <poeticrpm> ok, reaching out to ubuntu land since I cant find the answer anywhere in debian land. Does anyone have ubuntu installed on a luks encrypted partition? Can someone tell me what they have in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules? Im trying to figure out how to generate an initramfs capable of handling the encrypted partition. On Arch one needs 'encrypt' in modules of /etc/mkinitcpio.conf. On debians wiki they mention "aes_i586', but im assuming thats for a 32
[13:50] <poeticrpm> bit install. I dont know if I should use 'aes_amd64', 'aes_x86_64', etc etc.
[13:50] <BluesKaj_> Hiyas all
[13:51] <tar_ball> rypervenche: will it work if i boot my server into console mode and use it on client?
[13:52] <rypervenche> tar_ball: In order to be able to use VNC, the server must have a GUI running on it. So if you only boot into console mode, there will be no GUI running.
[13:53] <tar_ball> rypervenche: thanks will reach out again if needed help
[14:03] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> I got sick and tired of ubuntu endless problems so I downloaded Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-24-1.2.iso then I cut/paste it on external hdd.
[14:03] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> somehow the process was interrupted and it rendered the iso file no longer useful
[14:04] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> I'm now wondering about the cut paste mechanism and how safe the data is
[14:04] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> I suposed the original source file should remain intact until the copy on target device is verfied
[14:05] <MonkeyDust> LJHSLDJHSDLJH  how is your question ubuntu related
[14:07] <k00pa> Gregor3000: thanks man, feels like it started to work now
[14:07] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> MonkeyDust: you tell me when you know that I'm already doing all the mentioned above stuff using ubuntu 16.04
[14:08] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> one more nice stuff I just found now ... the history is not listing the wget command I used to spend all day yesterday downloading this fedora iso!
[14:09] <poeticrpm> LJHSLDJHSDLJH, try using cp or rsync to copy the file over
[14:09] <MonkeyDust> i was thinking the same: rsync
[14:09] <poeticrpm> LJHSLDJHSDLJH, but wait- are you trying to boot from the external drive or just copy the ISO there?
[14:09] <poeticrpm> if just copying it over, rsync is what id use. Its painless
[14:10] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> poeticrpm: that is a good advice thanks ... why file manager or linux kernel or whatever thing controlling the cut paste process is not implementating the same safety in rsync?
[14:10] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> that is my question
[14:10] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> poeticrpm: I (was) just cutting/pasting on external hdd
[14:11] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> now I will have to REdownload the iso file
[14:11] <MonkeyDust> LJHSLDJHSDLJH  next time, copy/paste, not cut/paste, so at least you keep the original
[14:11] <poeticrpm> LJHSLDJHSDLJH, im just going to say this: since starting ubuntu 6.10 edgy eft, I have never had an errant copy from a linux file-manager. This isnt a linux problem. Maybe your install iso got corrupted in download or its a hardware issue, or- just like any OS can have happen- something went really crazy wild wrong
[14:12] <poeticrpm> I bet the chances of that happening again are worse than winning the lottery
[14:12] <poeticrpm> LJHSLDJHSDLJH, and Ive tried prolly 40 distros in my day some right on the bleeding edge
[14:13] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> MonkeyDust: I'm not sure why I didn't think of it! I'm really stupid :)
[14:13] <MonkeyDust> LJHSLDJHSDLJH  you're not, but learning new things can be frustrating
[14:14] <poeticrpm> MonkeyDust, it could have been that the download itself was corrupted.
[14:14] <Phenx> who has a link that has the good instructions for install ubuntu>
[14:14] <poeticrpm> so copy/paste wouldnt have helped
[14:14] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> poeticrpm: it was hdd cable issue, but ubuntu should be to prevent such data loss
[14:14] <Phenx> with ISO to USB flash install method?
[14:14] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> the original file should remain intact until the paste process is completed (successfully)
[14:14] <MonkeyDust> Phenx  thus: download .iso - put .isoon usb/dvd - boot from usb/dvd - follow instructions
[14:14] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> which is not the case (currently)
[14:15] <Phenx> MonkeyDust: whats that?
[14:15] <poeticrpm> LJHSLDJHSDLJH, i suppose thats a problem :D
[14:15] <MonkeyDust> Phenx  that's how you install ubuntu
[14:15] <poeticrpm> I think the general assumption is that once data problems starts happening---> have a backup
[14:16] <poeticrpm> because no software can completely predict hardware failures
[14:16] <poeticrpm> im sure windows might have some fallback, but typically ive seen windows fail much harder with hardware problems
[14:16] <poeticrpm> so its sort of a tossup
[14:16] <ducasse> LJHSLDJHSDLJH: it _will_ work if you copy+paste+delete original instead of cut+paste.
[14:17] <Phenx> u guys sure?
[14:17] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> poeticrpm: no one is asking for HW failure predection, it happened during the trasfer process, thus it's reality for the pasting algorithm
[14:17] <Phenx> ive never ran into as many issues with installing windows EVER
[14:17] <Phenx> idk maybe its my method
[14:18] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> ducasse: that is true but it's not what was intending to do .. I wanted to cut/paste
[14:18] <MonkeyDust> Phenx  start from the beginning, what brings you here
[14:18] <Phenx> eh
[14:18] <Phenx> MonkeyDust: im making a company with a few friends. our first computer came in
[14:18] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> so I suppose the ubuntu people should provide a decent cut/paste procedure or remove it and keep it you mentioned copy/paste/dalete
[14:18] <Phenx> we have no windows OS
[14:19] <Phenx> so i decide to install Ubuntu
[14:19] <Phenx> i am .net mainly
[14:19] <Phenx> c#
[14:19] <poeticrpm> Phenx, it depends. I just recently installed windows 7 on this laptop from scratch. My computer didnt come with a windows 7 driver cd. NIGHTMARE to get all the hardware working. In fact, impossible without a linux distro to at least get my wireless or ethernet drivers.
[14:19] <Phenx> but trying to get into understanding linux
[14:19] <Phenx> because i am the CTO
[14:19] <Phenx> i need to start us off right
[14:19] <poeticrpm> Phenx, OTOH, with a driver disk, windows is about as easy as ubuntu (almost).
[14:20] <MonkeyDust> !manual | Phenx hope this is useful
[14:20] <Phenx> poeticrpm: welll yea that does make sense for sure
[14:21] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> hehehe Fedora is not doing the linux experience any less stupid than ubuntu
[14:21] <Phenx> well i have 3 machines now basically
[14:21] <poeticrpm> LJHSLDJHSDLJH, i suppose that is an issue that could be raised- not sure the neckbeards would 'fix' it though. Still, this isnt really a linux problem. Its more like a problem of the DE that you used to do the cut/paste
[14:22] <MonkeyDust> Phenx  this is to encourage you : http://insights.ubuntu.com/category/case-studies?topic=desktop
[14:22] <Phenx> 1 work, 1 home (also work), 1 for my startup
[14:22] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> they fail to put the hash of their iso file in an obvious place on the website .. I have to search every corner to get the hash file
[14:22] <Phenx> al microsoft
[14:22] <poeticrpm> LJHSLDJHSDLJH, try xubuntu
[14:22] <Phenx> but i want to get a linux server going
[14:22] <Phenx> i made my flash drive with ubuntu 16.04
[14:22] <Phenx> tonight
[14:22] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> poeticrpm: do you think it's a file manager problem?
[14:22] <Phenx> so i can start working out some kinks and creating our API
[14:23] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> will try to reproduce the same error while cutting/pasting from terminal
[14:23] <poeticrpm> LJHSLDJHSDLJH, as I havent looked into the code, I cant say for sure. I dont want to try to make excuses, but I *think*- that is it seems to me- it would HAVE to be the file managers issue
[14:23] <Phenx> for some reason im thinking using linux would be a good thing but our app will be in asp.net MVC
[14:23] <Phenx> idk i just am exploring
[14:24] <poeticrpm> Phenx, best server is debian stable IMO. I like xubuntu as a desktop OS :D
[14:24] <Phenx> please make arguments for installing and dedicating one of our machines to linux/ubuntu/someflavor...
[14:25] <MonkeyDust> Phenx  safety/speed/cost
[14:25] <poeticrpm> Phenx, of course right now im installing debian from within arch using debootstrap et all :P xubuntu I have as a backup currently
[14:26] <Phenx> Like what about configuration? Will there be probs? I'll be back in a min
[14:26] <Phenx> smoking cig
[14:26] <poeticrpm> Phenx, the linux community isnt really the type to try and "win over the customer." Its here if you decide the choice is right for you
[14:26] <ducasse> Phenx: what you install is _your_ decision, we're not going to convince you.
[14:26] <MonkeyDust> zealots
[14:28] <a_pat> Can someone help me to install Nvidia drivers on Ubuntu 14.04.4 ? I've installed 367 and 361 but when I boot up and there is the login screen I listen only the login sound, all screen is black
[14:31] <BluesKaj_> a_pat, which nvidia gpu?
[14:31] <a_pat> BluesKaj_: Gt740m
[14:32] <BluesKaj_> is this a hybrid gpu system with intel and nvidia?
[14:32] <baizon> BluesKaj_: yep, most lenovo laptops
[14:32] <Phenx> ducasse: i just want to know what are the benefits of getting into linux
[14:32] <a_pat> BluesKaj_: yes I have intel DD4000 and the other gt740m
[14:33] <Phenx> i have worked on ubuntu at work
[14:33] <BluesKaj_> not mine baizon
[14:33] <baizon> BluesKaj_: ups, sorry didnt know the context
[14:33] <Phenx> but only briefly
[14:33] <a_pat> BluesKaj_: HD4000*
[14:33] <Phenx> then they got me doing .net stuff c# for the last 6 months
[14:33] <Phenx> and thats what they want me to do
[14:33] <ducasse> Phenx: that's not really a support question, which is what we do here. ask in ##linux or #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:34] <Phenx> BUT
[14:34] <Phenx> i am starting a company with some friends
[14:34] <Phenx> ducasse: linux seems dead
[14:34] <Phenx> atm
[14:35] <Phenx> i hear you though
[14:35] <BluesKaj_> Phenx, which linux OSs are recommended by "they"?
[14:35] <ducasse> Phenx: ##linux - with two hash marks. it's not dead.
[14:35] <Phenx> BluesKaj_: we were on ubuntu at my current job a while back
[14:36] <monkey_master> Oh, I thought you were saying linux the OS was dead.
[14:36] <Phenx> but we all switched to MS as thats who we are doing most of our integration with
[14:36] <BluesKaj_> Phenx, then start with what you know
[14:36] <monkey_master> Like someone killed the penguin.
[14:40] <Phenx> monkey_master: hell na lol
[14:40] <MonkeyDust> Phenx  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows
[14:41] <Phenx> well my ubuntu install is fucked
[14:41] <Phenx> its not doing anything
[14:41] <Phenx> stuck at install (as supervisor)
[14:41] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> well, now I'm afraid that the problem is bigger than just losing a single iso file, as the entire external hdd start showing data transfer problems. e.g. the distination folder of which the cut/paste process was interrupted, seems to have lost all other iso files in it
[14:42] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> I get Input/output error
[14:42] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> same error even when I tried from terminal
[14:43] <ducasse> LJHSLDJHSDLJH: check dmesg.
[14:43] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> ducasse: what should I do exactly with dmesg?
[14:44] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> [63022.606423] sd 36:0:0:0: [sdb] No Caching mode page found
[14:44] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> [63022.606429] sd 36:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[14:44] <ducasse> LJHSLDJHSDLJH: look for errors.
[14:45] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> ducasse: there is bunch of them as shown above, but what does that mean and how it should be fixed?
[14:45] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> or even better how can I tell myself what that means and how to fix it
[14:45] <ducasse> LJHSLDJHSDLJH: none of those two messages are errors.
[14:47] <Phenx> can i access terminal and do things while the ubuntu installer is running?
[14:47] <Phenx> i think its stuck
[14:47] <Phenx> im right next to our dev machine trying to install it
[14:47] <monkey_master> Could it be a dying hard drive?
[14:48] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> ducasse: these are all the error from dmesg
[14:48] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> [60434.806999] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 976772096
[14:48] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> [60434.807028] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 976772184
[14:48] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> [60434.807084] Buffer I/O error on dev sdb, logical block 122096512, async page read
[14:48] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> [60440.219314] usb 2-1.2: device not accepting address 14, error -71
[14:48] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> [60446.099900] usb 2-1.2: device not accepting address 23, error -71
[14:49] <MonkeyDust> LJHSLDJHSDLJH  use a pastebin for lengthy pastes ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[14:51] <jim__> UUggggaa!!  what is this with everyone using this "thing" called "nano"!  doesn't anybody us the basic "vi" editor any more?
[14:52] <yeats> Phenx: you should be able to do Alt-F key for the different TTYs - if you're installing with the ncurses/text installer, log messages will be on tty4
[14:53] <ducasse> LJHSLDJHSDLJH: those look like they might be problems communicating with the controller in the external drive.
[14:53] <yeats> jim__: nano is configured to be the default text editor on most distros nowadays
[14:54] <Phenx> yeats:  hmm altf not working
[14:54] <yeats> Phenx: are you in the GUI installer?
[14:54] <Phenx> ppl at other chatroom making fun of me for fucking up ubuntu install
[14:54] <Phenx> lol
[14:54] <ducasse> Phenx: ctrl+alt+f1 to f6
[14:54] <Phenx> yeats: yea its been going for an hour and half stuck on a screen
[14:54] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> ducasse: are there any previous cases of people committing suicide because of data loss?
[14:54] <Phenx> i have given it enough time
[14:54] <Phenx> i think i failed
[14:55] <ducasse> LJHSLDJHSDLJH: many, i'm sure. that's why we have backups. ;)
[14:55] <Phenx> ctrl+alt+f1 to f6 WORKED
[14:55] <yeats> Phenx: ok - do *Ctrl*-Alt-F1 through F6 (as ducasse suggests) - Ctrl-Alt-F7 takes you back to the GUI
[14:55] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> ducasse: I think have to start believing in RAID
[14:55] <jim__> I mean "vi" and "unix" of any kind is synonymous with each other, its almost sacrilegious to think of "unix" with out "vi".... from now on I shall refer to "nano" as the "unholy editor".  ;^}
[14:55] <ducasse> LJHSLDJHSDLJH: raid is not a backup :)
[14:56] <Phenx> yeats: im on a weird command line
[14:56] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> is it mirroring?
[14:56] <Phenx> nothing is visible
[14:56] <Phenx> all i can do is type leter
[14:56] <narmes> есть кто
[14:56] <latitude> anyone have trouble with wifi drop outs with ubuntu 16.04
[14:56] <Phenx> help doesnt do anything
[14:56] <ducasse> LJHSLDJHSDLJH: raid gives you redundancy, but it doesn't protect you from accidental deletions, for example.
[14:57] <yeats> Phenx: you're in BusyBox, which is basically a stripped down version of bash
[14:57] <Phenx> yeats: what can i do?
[14:57] <narmes> ребят подскажите как настраивается общий доступ с виндой
[14:57] <yeats> !ru | narmes
[14:57] <Phenx> i want to get back to GUI, wipe clean everything ive done
[14:57] <Phenx> then do fresh install
[14:57] <yeats> Phenx: Ctrl-Alt-F7
[14:57] <Phenx> yeats: not wokring
[14:58] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> ducasse: Then are you aware of any charity organization that may donate free backup tapes? lol
[14:58] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> too cheap to invest in those
[14:58] <yeats> Phenx: you should be able to do 'sudo shutdown -r now' which will kill everything running and reboot
[14:58] <W_Wilson|pc-work> lo
[14:59] <ducasse> LJHSLDJHSDLJH: you can use a disk for backup, that's what most people do.
[14:59] <yeats> LJHSLDJHSDLJH: you get what you pay for :-)
[14:59] <Phenx> not working
[14:59] <Phenx> lol
[14:59] <Phenx> i think my iso on the flash might be sucky
[14:59] <Phenx> im going to redo it
[14:59] <Phenx> i guess
[15:00] <ducasse> LJHSLDJHSDLJH: my important data is on a zfs mirror, backed up to a separate drive on a remote host.
[15:00] <yeats> Phenx: if it's that frozen, you may have to do a hard power off (hold power button for 5 seconds)
[15:00] <Phenx> yeats: ahh
[15:01] <Phenx> is there nowhere to get cracked versions of windows 10?
[15:01] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> Phenx: sometimes kick the crap of the computer case so the problems
[15:01] <yeats> Phenx: wrong channel
[15:01] <Phenx> LJHSLDJHSDLJH: my case is new though
[15:01] <Phenx> not an option
[15:01] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> ducasse: I think it could be mounting RO problem with this usb hdd
[15:02] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> Phenx: my hdd is new too, but that doesn't prevent it from acting weird
[15:02] <Phenx> LJHSLDJHSDLJH:  i used the recommended resource
[15:02] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> brb
[15:02] <ducasse> LJHSLDJHSDLJH: the file system might be corrupted, see if fsck can fix it.
[15:02] <Phenx> to make my Flash ISO
[15:03] <Phenx> im restarting
[15:03] <Phenx> i have brand new computer
[15:04] <Phenx> should i make my boot mode UEFI only?
[15:04] <Phenx> in bios?
[15:10] <jim__> phenx:  the best thing I like about UEFI is that I no longer have to use the disk layout of 3-primary partitions with an "extended" partition, that has all gone away.
[15:10] <jim__> happy day
[15:10] <Zacharee1> GPT is the best for sure
[15:12] <Phenx> Zacharee1: why u say that?
[15:12] <Zacharee1> what?
[15:15] <jim__> Phenx: GPT allows for something like 126 partitions of a disk, no primary or extended junk involved
[15:15] <Phenx> jim__: do you know hwat the default is for ubuntu install?
[15:15] <jim__> depends on if you choose BIOS or UEFI
[15:15] <Phenx> jim__: because im assuming if you do GPT that means you are doing custom partitions?
[15:16] <Phenx> welll the "something else" option
[15:17] <jim__> BIOS supports "MBR" and UEFI supports GPT
[15:17] <ufc222> hey can someone help me put ubuntu on a chromebook
[15:17] <ufc222> I was following a tutorial but when i try to launch it i get an error no screens found
[15:17] <Phenx> ufc222: chromebook?
[15:17] <Phenx> nver used one idk
[15:18] <ufc222> https://kodi-portal.com/how-to-install-xbmc-kodi-on-chromebook-chrome-os-2/
[15:18] <Phenx> sooo let me get this straight
[15:18] <ufc222> \I was following that guide
[15:18] <Phenx> when u install ubuntu
[15:18] <Phenx> u can configure EVERYTHING?
[15:18] <Phenx> like make ur own install scripts?
[15:18] <Phenx> and put them inside/alongside and/or run parrallel to the install?
[15:18] <Phenx> i want to see the machine doing tings when im installing
[15:19] <Phenx> this mofo
[15:20] <jim__> take a look at the differences of MBR vs GPT,  a nice primer is at this site "http://www.howtogeek.com/193669/whats-the-difference-between-gpt-and-mbr-when-partitioning-a-drive/"
[15:23] <Phenx> stuck on intro to install
[15:23] <Phenx> wtf
[15:23] <Phenx> everytime
[15:25] <jim__> Phenx: Windows can only boot from GPT on UEFI-based computers running 64-bit versions of Windows 10, 8.1, 8, 7, Vista, and corresponding server versions. All versions of Windows 10, 8.1, 8, 7, and Vista can read GPT drives and use them for data — they just can’t boot from them without UEFI.  Other modern operating systems can also use GPT. Linux has built-in support for GPT. Apple’s Intel Macs no longer use Apple’s APT (Apple Partit
[15:25] <jim__> ion Table) scheme and use GPT instead.
[15:26] <ufc222> can someone help please
[15:34] <crafty1> ufc222: So how far did you get in the tutorial (assuming its accurate).  Are you on the step sudo startunity?
[15:34] <ufc222> yes
[15:34] <ufc222> and thats when i get the error no screen found
[15:36] <Phenx> wow
[15:36] <Phenx> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[15:36] <Phenx> i just realized i got hte 64 version
[15:36] <Phenx> instead of the 32 bit-PC
[15:36] <Phenx> version
[15:36] <Phenx> didnt read the instrucitions lol
[15:36] <crafty1> ufc222: This bug may be relevant.  The fix was to downgrade chromeOS and reinstall https://github.com/dnschneid/crouton/issues/1978
[15:36] <Phenx> no wonder it doesnt like my computer
[15:38] <irinix> *sigh* with all the advanced things that linux gets oh so right,
[15:38] <irinix> why can't it get basic things like wireless networking?
[15:38] <Phenx> irinix: linux is good at networking though i thouhgt
[15:38] <Phenx> that is one of the reasons i want to use
[15:39] <Phenx> or maybe its just wireless that suffers?
[15:39] <irinix> Phenx, ime wired networking is solid as gold
[15:39] <irinix> but wireless is always a turkeyshoot
[15:39] <irinix> *crapshoot
[15:39] <akik> irinix: it's because of wireless manufacturers don't care about linux
[15:40] <Phenx> irinix: well idk if thats ok depending on the situation
[15:40] <Phenx> but yea that kinda blows
[15:40] <irinix> akik, sorry, I'm just griping because
[15:40] <crafty1> The Atheros chipset is one of the only chipsets with FOSS drivers
[15:40] <irinix> my wifi went from working great, to totally crapping out on me the other day
[15:40] <akik> irinix: i undeerstand. it was the same with my new acer laptop. but it only needed the firmware.bin file to make it work
[15:41] <irinix> crafty1, yeah, Atheros has been good to us since the beginning
[15:41] <crafty1> Doesn't Ubuntu support most wireless chipets by using the non-free drivers if necessary?
[15:41] <akik> irinix: ok maybe a different situation than yours. wifi has been working good ever since i got it working
[15:42] <crafty1> My current card isnt Atheros and works fine :/
[15:42] <irinix> *sigh* when I'm elected queen b**** of the universe, my first edict will be to mandate foss
[15:42] <irinix> crafty1, yeah, the intel drivers aren't there.  I downloaded the latest firmware from intel when I did the install etc etc., and it had been working great
[15:42] <irinix> until suddenly, it decided not too
[15:43] <irinix> and for no reason that I can see.  (No added software etc etc)
[15:43] <irinix> And it works fine from windows
[15:43] <irinix> so....
[15:44] <jim__> Phenx:  earlier you stated that you had a brand new computer.... but that new computer has a 32-bit CPU??  This must be a new used computer.
[15:44] <Phenx> jim__: it is new
[15:45] <jim__> Interesting, I didn't think you could buy a new 32-bit CPU any more.
[15:46] <Phenx> its 64 bit
[15:46] <Phenx> but the dl i got confused on
[15:46] <Phenx> idk'
[15:46] <Phenx> i gave up and went back to my asp project
[15:46] <Phenx> i dont want to read
[15:47] <Phenx> lol
[15:47] <Phenx> too drunk
[15:47] <akik> Phenx: you gave up because the download was too confusing?
[15:47] <Phenx> akik: na its a long story
[15:47] <Phenx> bascially i was just fucking around with dling ubuntu for just tonight casue we dont have an operating system for this dev machine yet
[15:47] <Phenx> and i put the ISO on my flash drive
[15:47] <Phenx> tried to install it
[15:48] <Phenx> the comp didnt want to cooperate
[15:48] <Phenx> bascially
[15:48] <Phenx> it doesnt even respond
[15:48] <Phenx> when i select install ubunut
[15:48] <Phenx> it gets to gui
[15:48] <Phenx> and 90 percent the time the keyboard does nothing
[15:48] <akik> Phenx: please don't use enter as your punctuation
[15:49] <Phenx> and i got lucky a few times earlier and it worked but then it would fail in install or lock up...
[15:49] <Phenx> sory
[15:49] <akik> Phenx: have you identified the problem with your hardware?
[15:50] <tatertots> irinix your wireless isn't working eh?
[15:50] <Phenx> akik: i meanm its all brand new for our company, but.... i spilled beer on the keyboard a few mins ago
[15:50] <Phenx> and its a cheap keyboard
[15:50] <irinix> tatertots, yes
[15:50] <akik> Phenx: maybe you shouldn't drink beer while working
[15:50] <tatertots> irinix did you get the proper modules loaded and all that good stuff?
[15:51] <irinix> tatertots, of course
[15:51] <irinix> every thing I've done is on ubuntuForums and answers.ubuntu
[15:51] <Phenx> akik: the problem is that i havent slept
[15:51] <Phenx> not the beer..
[15:51] <irinix> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2330153
[15:51] <Phenx> well the beer played a role
[15:53] <tatertots> irinix did your wlan adapter work from livecd/liveusb similar to the original poster of the forum you posted above?, did anyone help you identify/confirm your wlan adapter and confirm the modules were loading on bootup?
[15:55] <irinix> tatertots, I don't need that assistance.  Yes my modules load during boot up.  Yes I'm 100% certain that my card is an intel centrino ultimate n 6320 because I've physically seen it
[15:55] <irinix> no, it did not work from the live cd
[15:55] <tatertots> oh ok
[15:55] <irinix> yes, it did work from live usb once I had copied iwlwifi to the ramfs /bin/firmware
[15:56] <irinix> etc., etc.,
[15:57] <irinix> sorry if I'm salty, I've spent ~15 years in IT support
[15:57] <irinix> so...when I can't fix a problem I tend to be crusty about it. =(
[15:57] <tatertots> no worries
[15:57] <tatertots> it happens
[16:00] <Phenx> akik: but i love drinking
[16:00] <debidi> Phenx:        ^^^^^
[16:00] <akik> Phenx: ok but please keep the chat with support things
[16:01] <Phenx> aight well im out then i have no ubuntu things to discuss
[16:01] <Phenx> because im going to get windows 10 tomorrow for this machine instead
[16:02] <Phenx> its too much a bitch but i'll get a 4th dev machine for playground/server
[16:02] <MonkeyDust> moral: windows 10 os for beer drinkers
[16:02] <MonkeyDust> is*
[16:03] <Phenx> MonkeyDust: is that supposed to offend?
[16:03] <Phenx> or be a statement of joy?
[16:03] <Phenx> i really cant tell
[16:03] <Phenx> lol
[16:03] <mustmodify_> Last time I was here, I was having an issue with /boot being full. I gisted `df` and someone said one of my partitions was way too large or something... can you guys take a look and tell me if anything seems way off? https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/3f649a8ebe544fcee186596fa4854f94
[16:04] <debidi> when did github turn into a pastebin.. ?
[16:05] <akik> mustmodify_: you have plenty of space in the root file system. maybe that was commented earlier
[16:05] <mustmodify_> debidi: not sure. Initially I thought it was dumb. But there aren't any ads. They use git to do it, I guess.
[16:06] <debidi> well, /boot doesn't look full to me
[16:06] <akik> gists can be used for that surely
[16:07] <debidi> akik: mustmodify_ /proc/mounts ?
[16:07] <akik> debidi: no it's a virtual file system
[16:07] <Guest72812> Hi, uninstalled firefox when i tried to update it, now I don't have a web browser anymore and apt-get can't find any packages, can anyone help me?
[16:07] <mustmodify_> debidi: What's your question? I don't see /proc/mounts
[16:08] <mustmodify_> this isn't a virtual fs. Or, at least, I would be surprised if it were. :)
[16:08] <akik> mustmodify_: /proc is if that's what you meant
[16:09] <debidi> i mean, paste the contents of /proc/mounts (same as output from mount command)
[16:09] <mustmodify_> I see.
[16:10] <ducasse> mustmodify_: /boot is rather small, on my laptop i occasionally run into problems with a /boot partition of similar size.
[16:10] <huntix> anyone running Photoshop under wine ?
[16:10] <mustmodify_> ducasse: yes, I do have problems with that filling up. I can usually correct them with autoclean.
[16:11] <mustmodify_> reload to see `cat /proc/mounts`
[16:11] <debidi> looks like enough space for an extra kernel or 2 tho
[16:11] <mustmodify_> yes, just enough.
[16:11] <akik> a kernel+initramfs is about 45 megs
[16:12] <rahul_kumi> is there any way to perform packet injection in a Broadcom[BCM43224] wifi network card using a wl driver....please help
[16:12] <rahul_kumi> i was using aircrack-ng to accomplosh this
[16:14] <ducasse> mustmodify_: you can resize the partitions, but it can be a hassle. i've never bothered, i just make sure to clean out extraneous kernels.
[16:15] <debidi> your /boot partition is mounted rw with well over 130M of leftover space.. not sure what's the problem
[16:15] <debidi> what are the error messages you get, mustmodify_
[16:16] <mustmodify_> I'm not currently getting an error message. Last time I had an error (which was an issue with /boot being too small) someone commented that some other partition was oddly sized... I kind of remember it being too big... they said to look into it later.
[16:16] <mustmodify_> So I'm looking into it later.
[16:18] <debidi> /boot/efi perhaps
[16:18] <ducasse> mustmodify_: i wouldn't worry, just remember to run autoremove after kernel updates.
[16:21] <akik> mustmodify_: you have 190 gigs of free space in /
[16:24] <mustmodify_> So one of /dev/mapper/logopolis-root, /dev/mapper/logopolis--vg-root is a SSD and the other is not... how do I figue out which it is? (I could always open the machine and look at the drives if there's no clear-cut way to do it from the command line...)
[16:24] <mustmodify_> based on the size I would initially guess it's the 95G one.
[16:25] <rahul-kumi> is there any way to perform packet injection in a Broadcom[BCM43224] wifi network card using a wl driver....please help
[16:25] <rahul-kumi> i was using aircrack-ng to accomplish this
[16:25] <akik> mustmodify_: you can use "sudo vgdisplay -v" to see your lvm configuration
[16:26] <akik> mustmodify_: the physical volumes are listed there
[16:29] <mustmodify_> akik: but that doesn't tell me which one is the SSD, or even the mfgr... is there some other way to tell that I can't see?
[16:30] <akik> mustmodify_: you can match those devices then with "sudo parted -l"
[16:32] <hicoleri> Why isn't mpv using youtube-dl for streaming videos and using quvi instead?
[16:32] <hicoleri> I'm not able to watch restricted videos
[16:39] <hdhog> hi all.
[16:39] <hdhog> i have problem with installation by network.
[16:39] <hdhog> boot from pxe is working but installer require internet connection, while original iso not required internet.
[16:39] <hdhog> how install ubuntu server from network without internet and local mirror. Only use files from original iso ubuntu-16.04-server-amd64.iso.
[16:40] <MonkeyDust> !offline
[16:41] <cwolford> running xenial gnome on a dell inspiron with an intel hd graphics card. how do i check the driver version and whether or not it's the most current?
[16:43] <MonkeyDust> cwolford  lshw -c video
[16:44] <cwolford> MonkeyDust thanks.
[16:46] <hdhog> ubottu: i try install server by pxe without internet. not possible to connect iso to server
[16:49] <OreGon> hello all
[16:49] <OreGon> I was wondering if there is a keyboard shortcut for ubuntu to just switch the window to other monitor?
[16:50] <OreGon> I am using peppermint os and I know that its not ubuntu unity, but could the same shortcut work?
[16:55] <SchrodingersScat> OreGon: maybe check out wmctrl
[16:55] <ufc222> can someone help me get unbuntu to install on chromeos
[16:55] <ufc222> keep gettign error no screens found
[16:58] <SchrodingersScat> !peppermint
[17:02] <eelstrebor> i know i'm gonna be questioned as to why i attempted to upgrade to the latest stable kernel but i'll ask why it broke stuff anyway - googling hasn't provided an answer
[17:02] <eelstrebor> after updating my kernel from 4.4.0 to 4.6.3 my ubuntu unity desktop hasn't been working properly and i can't launch google-chrome (even though firefox launches) and Terminal keeps crashing as well as other problems - here's what i'm getting when trying to launch google-chrome from the cli: http://pastebin.com/bwgk71Zm
[17:02] <eelstrebor> rebooting back to 4.4.0 didn't help - something obviously got corrupted when i built and installed 4.6.3
[17:03] <eelstrebor> i don't know why this driver won't load even though it's on the pc: libGL error: failed to load driver: i965
[17:08] <gjq> ;;;;
[17:16] <gevs> hey people - i am using a 3rd screen from today on, i activated the options needed in the BIOS settings and in fact the screen seems to be recognized. My ubuntu works fine on 2 screens (graphics card) and the 3rd screen is hanging on the boot screen mentioning "ubuntu" (3rd screen is onboard graphics)
[17:17] <gevs> anyone already experienced this or give me a hint on how to solve ? :)
[17:18] <ducasse> gevs: you have two screens connected to a discrete card and one to onboard?
[17:18] <gevs> yep
[17:18] <gevs> activated through bios worked (before i activated it nothing would display on the 3rd screen)
[17:19] <gevs> and now the 3rd screen simply displays the boot screen "Ubuntu" with the 5 dots
[17:19] <ducasse> gevs: can you pastebin the output of 'xrandr -q'?
[17:20] <gevs> yep 22 mins
[17:20] <gevs> *2 lol
[17:21] <gevs> http://pastebin.com/n9Uphk0j
[17:22] <ducasse> gevs: nvidia or amd?
[17:24] <gevs> sorry... back :)
[17:25] <ducasse> gevs: the x driver can only see the two screens connected to the discrete adapter, as far as x is concerned the third screen does not exist. i don't think you can run an x server split over two gpus.
[17:25] <gevs> you must be right
[17:26] <gevs> i just "ctrl + alt + 2"  - my 3rd screen displayed a terminal - both others screen show blank
[17:26] <gevs> damn
[17:26] <ducasse> gevs: i'm not sure, though, but i imagine that would require two separate x servers, but the necessary modules can probably not be loaded at the same time.
[17:27] <gevs> disappointing :( guess i must buy a new graphic card then
[17:27] <ducasse> gevs: what outputs does the card have?
[17:28] <gevs> onboard 1 vga + 1 dvi + 1 hdmi      pcie 2 dvi
[17:29] <ducasse> gevs: yes, you can run three screens onboard or two on the discrete. sorry :-/
[17:29] <gevs> haha yeah well maybe ill have a look at "3 screens onboard" since my motherboard allows it .. but figured having the graphics card take 2 monitors off it would take me less ram :)
[17:30] <gevs> thanks for the try
[17:31] <ducasse> gevs: i've got no other suggestions. i mean, you can _try_ running two x servers, but they wouldn't function as one desktop.
[17:32] <gevs> no thats not what im trying to have :)
[17:32] <ducasse> gevs: i get that, i wouldn't want that either :)
[17:33] <TestMas> Hello i was wonder if anyone knows how to turn off the processor power and utilization monitoring on a HP G5 as the ctrl + A does not work on the g5 i can not find anything that tells u what to do
[17:41] <lucas-arg> hello, one question, my laptop changes automatically its screen brightness! dont know how to stop it
[17:41] <vikram> hello ubuntu
[17:41] <vikram> 1
[17:42] <MonkeyDust> lucas-arg  when on battery power?
[17:42] <lucas-arg> MonkeyDust, battery
[17:42] <lucas-arg> MonkeyDust, when im on power its all right
[17:42] <MonkeyDust> lucas-arg  others have asked how to prevent that, no answer was found
[17:43] <MonkeyDust> lucas-arg  i think it's built in, in the laptop
[17:44] <lucas-arg> MonkeyDust, i dont think so... while i was using windows that didnt happen
[17:45] <MonkeyDust> lucas-arg  then repeat your question every 15-20 minutes, until someone enters who can help
[17:46] <SuperLag> What genius decided that leaving out SSH in the default install was a good idea???
[17:46] <SchrodingersScat> SuperLag: ? the openssh-server?
[17:46] <SuperLag> SchrodingersScat: yes
[17:46] <MonkeyDust> SuperLag  to keep the .iso small, some programs have been removed from it
[17:47] <ducasse> SuperLag: install server, and you'll get it.
[17:47] <SuperLag> the ISO is > 1gb now.... that no longer applies
[17:47] <SchrodingersScat> SuperLag: it's been a thing for some time, there may or may not be a reason for desktops.
[17:47] <nanotaka> disable dim screen in Energy Saving.
[17:47] <SuperLag> ducasse: it should come with the desktop too, if you ask me... makes automation a serious PITA
[17:49] <MonkeyDust> SuperLag  everyone has different programs s/he uses often, so they want it in the .iso
[17:49]  * debidi shuns iso's
[17:49] <SuperLag> debidi: how can you possibly shun an iso, if you want to do an install?
[17:49] <debidi> SuperLag: debootstrap
[17:50] <SuperLag> debidi: oh, so you like pain? :)
[17:50] <debidi> :) i can have a base system setup faster than reboot and waiting for the first progress bar to reach a 100
[17:51] <debidi> SuperLag: best way to customize an install imho
[17:52] <ducasse> SuperLag: set up a preseed install, and you can get exactly the packages you want.
[17:53] <SuperLag> ducasse: I've heard of it, but never done it yet.
[17:54] <ducasse> SuperLag: that's what you use if you want automated, custom installs. the default package selection will never be perfect for everybody.
[17:55] <SuperLag> ducasse: Working on setting up automation with Ansible. I forgot the default install doesn't come with SSH. :/
[17:57] <ducasse> SuperLag: the server installer does, desktop doesn't. argue that with the people who build the images :)
[18:02] <tortib> how can I get jack working with pulseaudio?
[18:03] <ducasse> tortib: install pulseaudio-module-jack, i would guess.
[18:06] <tortib> ducasse, i tried that and jack isn't working still
[18:08] <darkstar> !list
[18:12] <ducasse> tortib: maybe this will help - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Examples#PulseAudio_through_JACK
[18:21] <arunpyasi> hello everyone, my HDD clicks many times then stops to spin ! Please help me to fix it
[18:22] <xangua> Backup, get new HD
[18:24] <debidi> arunpyasi: freeze for 24 hr than thaw? if no luck dip in windex
[18:25] <ajeffco> Is there an Ubuntu equivilant to the Centos minimal install?
[18:25] <mabus> whats the sane way to install upgraded version of something previously installed via dpkg?
[18:26] <kzh> ajeffco: snappy core?
[18:26] <kzh> mabus: is the upgrade you want not in the repo?
[18:26] <debidi> ajeffco: debootstrap
[18:27] <mabus> kzh no im not installing with apt because its not available that way
[18:27] <ajeffco> Thanks kzh and debidi, I'll try both
[18:27] <arunpyasi> xangua, debidi the problem is, it is even unrecognized on the BIOS
[18:27] <ajeffco> *look into
[18:27] <ducasse> mabus: apt install ./package.deb
[18:28] <kzh> mabus: +1 what ducasse said
[18:28] <kzh> Can anybody tell me what their /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60x11-common_xdg_path says?
[18:28] <debidi> rip arunpyasi's HDD, if the freezer thing don't work just pronounce it
[18:29] <kzh> My XDG_DATA_DIRS is set incorrectly in my Ubuntu, I was wondering what everybody else's was.
[18:29] <mabus> didnt work. i installed previously with dpkg -i
[18:29] <mabus> apt install gives me thousands of not found errors
[18:30] <kzh> Anybody else have the trailing slashes in /usr/share/ and /usr/local/share/ ?
[18:30] <kzh> > echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS
[18:30] <kzh> /usr/share/ubuntu:/usr/share/gnome:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/:/var/lib/snapd/desktop
[18:32] <mabus> apparently dpkg -i is suitable for upgrading anyhow, thanks anyway folks
[18:42] <ahatony> just say hello and good night :-*
[18:43] <Dro> how can i install dmg2img in 14.04 ?
[18:43] <Bashing-om> !info dmg2img trusty
[18:45] <cajuntechie> Hello everyone. Quick question about Snap Packages. Are they appropriate for binary only distributions or do I have to have the package compiled from source when it's installed?
[18:45] <Bashing-om> Dro: ^^ make sure the universe repo is enabled in Software Sources and ' sudo apt install dmg2img ' should be all there is to it .
[18:46] <arunpyasi> is it possible that the damage of platters or heads might have result in HDD to unrecognize in the BIOS ?
[18:46] <ducasse> arunpyasi: absolutely.
[18:47] <arunpyasi> ducasse: So, it may not be a PCB circuit problem ?
[18:48] <ducasse> arunpyasi: it may not be, but it could be. no way for me to know.
[18:48] <arunpyasi> ducasse: so, how can I know that? Any idea ? Are you saying for hit and trail method ?
[18:49] <ducasse> arunpyasi: i think you should just consider the drive to be dead, get a new one, and restore from backup.
[18:49] <arunpyasi> ducasse: hmm
[18:49] <ducasse> arunpyasi: seriously. you can't trust it anymore.
[18:50] <arunpyasi> ducasse: hmm ok :)
[18:52] <ducasse> arunpyasi: if you need to recover data from the drive, hand it over to professionals and make better backups in the future :)
[18:53] <arunpyasi> ducasse: yeah, no data needed :P
[18:55] <barnito> I have a system that freezes up every couple of days
[18:55] <barnito> how can I troubleshoot it
[18:55] <rypervenche> barnito: When did this start happening?
[18:56] <barnito> well I moved my znc over to this slower PC
[18:57] <barnito> started a week aftert that
[18:58] <barnito> was on an i5 750, now on an older AMD processor
[18:58] <barnito> only using it for torrents and ZNC
[19:03] <barnito> http://pastie.org/10902906
[19:03] <barnito> anyone know?
[19:04] <barnito> rypervenche?
[19:04] <tatertots> anyone know what barnito?...
[19:04] <ducasse> barnito: dig through logs from around when it crashes, watch temperatures and test the ram.
[19:04] <tatertots> you didn't ask anything ..your last post was about torrents and ZNC
[19:05] <barnito> I did
 I have a system that freezes up every couple of days  <barnito> how can I troubleshoot it
[19:06] <barnito> sorry missed the '?'
[19:07] <tatertots> well let it run from livecd/liveusb for a few days and that would let you determine if it's your installation or if it's something else
[19:07] <ducasse> barnito: could also be the motherboard is failing, looks like quite old gear.
[19:07] <tatertots> that's pretty simple and non complex
[19:08] <tatertots> if it only freezes running your installed os and NOT from livecd/liveusb you know it's software and not hardware, dell and hp both have hardware diagnostics
[19:08] <barnito> it never froze running windows
[19:08] <SchrodingersScat> !info sysstat | barnito
[19:10] <tatertots> since you cannot consistently reproduce the issue at will (at will) you'll have to start somewhere
[19:10] <tatertots> intermittent computer issues are harder to pin down compared to issues that can be reproduced at will
[19:11] <tatertots> since software runs on top of hardware you might want to validate that your hardware is okay first
[19:13] <barnito> http://pastebin.com/ibB29w36
[19:14] <barnito> that is the point of freeze
[19:16] <barnito> installing systat
[19:18] <arunpyasi> anyone going for LinuxCon Japan from #ubuntu ?
[19:19] <tatertots> i saw a linux box owned by a guy that managed to attempt to install everything under the sun...improperly i might add..for a year before it finally became so unstable he couldn't use it...a year worth of improper installs, configs is a lot to debug, he could make better use of his time by just starting over from scratch and reinstalling
[19:19] <barnito> mine is a pretty fresh install
[19:24] <barnito> I may try lubuntu
[19:24] <EriC^^> has the wget exploit been patched yet?
[19:25] <EriC^^> CVE-2016-4971
[19:26] <MonkeyDust> EriC^^  https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2016-4971
[19:27] <EriC^^> MonkeyDust: thanks
[19:28] <mustmodify_> hey uh... I did `ssh localhost` and it complained that the key signature had changed... how is that possible?
[19:32] <Bashing-om> barnito: What's up with https://daisy.ubuntu.com/ ? as that URL gives " Invalid BSON." .
[19:34] <MonkeyDust> Bashing-om  it's a MongoDB error, is what I read here
[19:35] <avis-> i need some assistance with a external usb 2.0 hard drive that is ext4.  for some reason if i reboot with it plugged in, the system will not boot and i get a single cursor.  if i reboot without it, my system loads perfectly.  further if the system loads perfectly i can plugin my hard drive for backup use.  it does not have an on/off switch and i have been unsuccessful every time to try and add hard drive to /etc/fstab
[19:36] <barnito> I don't know what that is
[19:37] <tatertots> avis do you plan to leave this "removable storage" usb 2.0 hard drive attached "permanently" ?
[19:37] <avis-> tatertots, yes i was hoping to.  but for some reason i cannot add it to /etc/fstab
[19:37] <tatertots> it's external so it's kinda designed to be removed/portable...
[19:38] <avis-> its brand new, and at most i lifted it without it settling down once, but nothing i'd think too bad to destroy the drive
[19:38] <avis-> the computer was off at the time
[19:38] <avis-> i think
[19:39] <tatertots> your computer may be trying to boot from it...this would explain why it doesn't boot until you unplug it
[19:39] <avis-> that makes perfect sense
[19:39] <avis-> how do i get rid of that ?
[19:39] <tatertots> you can manage the computers boot devices/boot order from the BIOS of the computer
[19:43] <ShotokanZH> hi evryone
[19:43] <ShotokanZH> anyone can assist me with a troublesome installation of Kubuntu 16.04?
[19:44] <SchrodingersScat> !ask | ShotokanZH
[19:44] <ShotokanZH> great, i'll go on:
[19:45] <ShotokanZH> I have an ASUS ROG G752VT with windows 10 installed (UEFI)
[19:45] <ShotokanZH> i've partitioned the ssd from windows so that i've 250GB free for the Kubuntu installation
[19:46] <ShotokanZH> i've burned the image (checked the checksum, it's ok) on a DVD and on a usb drive
[19:46] <ShotokanZH> but when plasma starts, i get an error and the screen stays black
[19:47] <ShotokanZH> "Application plasma (plasmashell) signal 4 illegal instruction"
[19:47] <ShotokanZH> i'm guessing it's due to the fact that *that* notebook has two gpus (1x intel, 1x nvidia) but the intel one it's disabled hardware-level
[19:47] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | ShotokanZH Maybe see what results:
[19:48] <ShotokanZH> Bashing-om, aready tried, no luck
[19:48] <Bashing-om> ShotokanZH: Next, is from grub's boot menu, try and boot a recovery kernel .
[19:49] <ShotokanZH> Bashing-om, single user mode you mean?
[19:49] <Bashing-om> ShotokanZH: Best I recall, "recovery" is run level 3 .
[19:50] <ShotokanZH> ty, gonna look into it
[19:52] <Bashing-om> ShotokanZH: " intel one it's disabled hardware-level "; depending on the hardware interfacing .. may have to have Intel enabled to process the Nvidia interfacing .
[19:53] <ShotokanZH> Bashing-om, it's a gaming pc, they don't even have the option to enable it via bios :( it's just 'off' by default and that's it
[19:55] <Bashing-om> ShotokanZH: Pastebin - lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D' - . let's see if bios passes to the kernel the graphic's hardware .
[19:56] <ShotokanZH> Bashing-om, rebooting... gonna tell you in a few minutes
[19:56] <Bashing-om> ShotokanZH: K .. We be here .
[19:59] <Shimmy568> what goes on here?
[19:59] <Bashing-om> ShotokanZH: This be ubuntu support channel .
[20:05] <ShotokanZH> Bashing-om, the command returns only the NVidia one
[20:07] <gargabook> Can someone explain to me how Ubuntu approves apps in its repository
[20:08] <ShotokanZH> Bashing-om, http://pastebin.com/raw/r9Lv4CnZ
[20:10] <Bashing-om> ShotokanZH: Look'n ..
[20:11] <eelstrebor> looks like the right kernel is booting but the wrong vmlinuz and initrd.img are pointing to the previous kernel
[20:11] <ShotokanZH> eelstrebor, you're talking about my situation?
[20:11] <eelstrebor> no
[20:12] <ShotokanZH> k :)
[20:12] <OerHeks> gargabook, There are a number of paths that a package can take to enter Ubuntu; Through Debian; Directly into Ubuntu and  Personal Package Archives  >>>> http://askubuntu.com/questions/16446/how-to-get-my-software-into-ubuntu
[20:13] <Bashing-om> ShotokanZH: Does not look good for the home team as the Intel is not seen . Turned off in the firmware ?
[20:14] <ShotokanZH> Bashing-om, from what i've heard from the asus tech guys it's disabled in the mobo, you can't even turn it on via bios
[20:16] <VonBlume> i need an expert in kali i can pay
[20:17] <MonkeyDust> VonBlume  kali is not supported here, you're in the wrong channel
[20:17] <Bashing-om> ShotokanZH: What releae is this ? And we try and boot to terminal . From there perhaps see if it is possible to intall a graphic's driver - Nvidia recommends the 367 version driver .
[20:17] <OerHeks> VonBlume, good luck, wrong channel for kali support
[20:17] <ShotokanZH> Bashing-om, 16.04 LTS
[20:18] <ShotokanZH> i've launched CTRL+ALT+F1 and now i'm in command line mode, gonna try and find an ethernet cable
[20:19] <Bashing-om> ShotokanZH: So far so good .. indicates the problem is in the X layer ..
[20:19] <ShotokanZH> Bashing-om, networking is ok, gonna try to install mesa drivers or nvidia ones?
[20:20] <brody> Hallo, meine Frage ist, wie kann ich meinen Drucker Epson XP 415 in Linux einbinden?
[20:20] <akik> !de
[20:21] <MonkeyDust> !cups| brody
[20:23] <Bashing-om> ShotokanZH: For a gamming machine you want the proprietary graphic's driver . As Nvidia recommends the 367 version, we get that one from our trusted PPA .
[20:23] <ShotokanZH> Bashing-om, ok!
[20:24] <ShotokanZH> Bashing-om, apt-get install nvidia-current ?
[20:25] <Bashing-om> ShotokanZH: ' sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa ; sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install nvidia-367 ; sudo reboot ' . Let's see what we have on the other side .
[20:25] <FunkyELF> anyone here running on the Dell XPS 13 non-developer edition.  I'm wondering if there is really any difference bewtween developer and non-developer editions.  I think I'd rather get it with Windows 10 and dual boot into Ubutnu
[20:26] <ShotokanZH> Bashing-om, dude if i reboot everything will be broken again
[20:26] <ShotokanZH> i haven't managed to install kubuntu YET
[20:26] <ShotokanZH> i'm still in the live!
[20:27] <akik> FunkyELF: i doubt there's anything different with the hardware. but on ubuntu side there is dell provided software packages
[20:29] <Bashing-om> ShotokanZH: Then, we are back to booting the installer with "nomoeset" . See what results in the " try ubuntu" mode .
[20:29] <ShotokanZH> Bashing-om, it does crash in nomodeset too
[20:29] <ShotokanZH> i'm currently with nomodeset added
[20:30] <ShotokanZH> and the only thing i can do is command line
[20:30] <eelstrebor> why isn't my system booting to the correct vmlinuz?
[20:30] <Bashing-om> ShotokanZH: Ouch, sorry but above my skill set at this point if we can not get a GUI on the live mode .
[20:31] <ShotokanZH> Bashing-om, i guess i've done *something*
[20:31] <ShotokanZH> i installed the drivers and killed Xorg
[20:31] <ShotokanZH> it started "kind of ok"
[20:32] <ShotokanZH> i mean, graphics sucks but i am now in the installation phase :O
[20:32] <ShotokanZH> i guess i someohow did it \o/
[20:34] <Bashing-om> eelstrebor: Compare ' ls -al /vmlinuz* ; ls -al /initrd* ' with the installed kernels ' ls -al /boot ' .
[20:34] <eelstrebor> yep, that's what my problem is - wrong vmlinuz and initrd.img -  redirecting the soft link with ln -s fixed the problem - i don't understand why update-grub didn't properly set this
[20:34] <OerHeks> eelstrebor, tell us what you installed, or did before this happened?
[20:35] <Bashing-om> ShotokanZH: Great ! so long as you are able to install the operating system .. we can install the graphic's driver after the install completes .
[20:35] <OerHeks> 9/10 times the user did something manually, and refuses to mention in the question.
[20:36] <ShotokanZH> Bashing-om, problem #2
[20:36] <ShotokanZH> kubuntu does not seem to be able to find the M2 SSD
[20:36] <eelstrebor> OerHeks, i decided to upgrade to the latest stable kernel from kernel.org - i believe that i followed the correct instructions for building and installing the new kernel
[20:36] <ShotokanZH> gparted finds only /dev/sda (a 'data' hard-drive, 1TB) and /dev/sdb (the pendrive, 60GB)
[20:37] <eelstrebor> but, since there are various methods on the web, who knows?
[20:37] <Bashing-om> ShotokanZH: Yuk .. does bios see the M2 device ?, and what does the kernel see from ' sudo parted -l ' ?
[20:37] <OerHeks> eelstrebor, no help with that, use the kernels from mainline, those are build for ubuntu
[20:37] <OerHeks> !mainline
[20:37] <ShotokanZH> Bashing-om, the bios does totally see it, and windows runs fine in it
[20:37] <ShotokanZH> Bashing-om, same as gparted
[20:38] <eelstrebor> OerHeks, i'm trying to build a custom kernel in order to use dvb utilities with my dvb card (such as a spectrum analyzer)
[20:38] <eelstrebor> it requires a higher kernel to do so
[20:38] <Daekdroom> Is it possible to use different icon themes for GTK2 and GTK3 apps in Ubuntu?
[20:39] <Bashing-om> ShotokanZH: I must now surmise that Windows uses the device as a " fast start" in that the device is raided ...I do not do Windows, and have no idea - if this is the case - how to make the 2 co-exist .
[20:40] <ShotokanZH> Bashing-om, *sighs* i guess pregnancy it's more or less like that.
[20:40] <ShotokanZH> xD
[20:42] <Bashing-om> ShotokanZH: I am sure there are ways .. but O would not want the responsibility of breaking your Windos install to make ubuntu work . I am no longer Windows' literate .
[20:55] <Soul_Sample> is there a way to update nautilus in ubuntu 16.04 without installing a bunch of additional cruft and potentially breaking the whole desktop?
[20:58] <Kirito_> When installing Ubuntu on a laptop with Intel FakeRAID (in a RAID 0 configuration), I can get Ubuntu to install without issue, but after restarting grub does not appear to recognize the RAID devices and thus falls back to its emergency shell.
[20:59] <VonBlume> i need an expert in kali i can pay
[21:00] <hammer25> OerHeks: that link you sent me a couple days ago did the trick. turns out my laptop had a small SSD used for caching, disabling that feature let ubuntu install normally. thanks!
[21:13] <Jordan_U> ShotokanZH: Please pastebin the output of "sudo parted -l", "ls -l /dev/disk/by-path" and "cat /proc/partitions".
[21:15] <Bashing-om> ShotokanZH: I will look over Jordan_U's shoulder, see what we both can learn .
[21:18] <avkasc> Av
[21:22] <Kirito_> https://bpaste.net/show/59a4524a6e54 This is the error I get when trying to run boot-repair. Any advice, please?
[21:22] <ShotokanZH> Jordan_U, all 3 of 'em does not seem to be able to find the pcie m2 disk
[21:23] <ShotokanZH> Bashing-om, ^
[21:23] <Bashing-om> ShotokanZH: I trust Jordan_U On this issue . We wait for his advise .
[21:24]  * ShotokanZH restarts the pc ready for further inputs
[21:38] <r3za> hey guys , im trying to open bash script with crone at specific time , it works great but i dunno how to close the script in specific time .. any help ?
[21:38] <geirha> your script runs "forever"?
[21:40] <geirha> anyway, timeout may be an option, but it depends on what the script is doing
[21:42] <geirha> you may need to edit the script to make this reliable
[21:43] <TheMarius> http://fossbytes.com/linux-crosses-2-percent-desktop-operating-system-first-time/