[09:01] <rojaro> hi
[09:05] <rojaro> i would like to make sure that my openvpn service is always started immediately after the network start, but before other services start that wait for the network
[09:06] <rojaro> can anyone point me in the right direction?
[15:01] <Mariano9> hi xnox: I've asked rackspace support and they told the newrelic plugin agent doesn't daemonize..in fact if I run it, it won't detach from console (i don't know if you remember from yesterday)
[15:01] <xnox> Mariano9: hm. interesting.
[15:02] <xnox> Mariano9: i'll setup bundler in experiment. I'm quite busy at the moment however. Can you give me your email in private?
[15:03] <Mariano9> sure thing
[16:13] <Mariano9> guys, is it a must to stop a service to be added to upstart monitoring?
[16:13] <Mariano9> I mean, while I write the script and add it to /init/ the monitored service has to be down?
[16:15] <jodh> Mariano9: no, but if you want upstart to manage it you'll have to stop your instance at some point and 'start $job'.
[16:16] <Mariano9> jodh: great
[16:24] <mc_bluebeard> xnox - thx


[01:30] <ddaa> lifeless: ping
[01:30] <ddaa> the pqm precommit hook for pybaz is broken
[01:30] <lifeless> ddaa: what should it be ?
[01:31] <lifeless> ddaa: or rather in what way is it broken ?
[01:31] <ddaa> Executing pre-commit hook make check && make -C ../.. check_merge at Mon Mar 28 12:08:40 2005
[01:31] <ddaa> [test output]
[01:31] <ddaa> make: Entering directory `/home/pqm/arch/queue/workdir'
[01:31] <ddaa> make: *** No rule to make target `check_merge'.  Stop.
[01:31] <ddaa> the "make -C ../.. check_merge" bit apparently does not do what is intended, I suspect that the launchpad config is not being built.
[01:32] <lifeless> try now
[01:32] <ddaa> merge request resent
[02:24] <ddaa> works now
[06:23] <carlos> SteveA_: around?
[06:25] <SteveA_> hi carlos
[06:25] <carlos> uups, wrong channel :-P


[00:05] <Walzmyn> is tehre a way to control what Kubuntu names removable media when it's pluged in?
[00:06] <genii-around> It uses the volume label
[00:06] <James147> Walzmyn: placing a label on the partition ^^
[00:07] <Walzmyn> can that be changed without damaging the existing data?
[00:08] <James147> Walzmyn: which filesystem?
[00:08] <Walzmyn> ext3
[00:08] <James147> Walzmyn: then I believe so
[00:09] <James147> Walzmyn: look at e2label
[00:09] <Walzmyn> before upgrading, my backup drive was jsut "disk" now it's a long array of random letters
[00:10] <Walzmyn> its messing up my rsync commands
[00:10] <James147> or tune2fs ^^
[00:10] <Walzmyn> did it though partition manager
[00:11] <Walzmyn> ah, that's great. Now I can give rsync a distinct name that won't goof up if another "disk" is plugged in.
[00:11] <Walzmyn> thanks guys
[00:13] <James147> Walzmyn: you could also specify an entry in /etc/fstab using the UUID of the disk and tell the system where you mount it ^^ then you can garentee that that disk gets mounted to a known loaction
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[00:49] <genii-around> !info upserver
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[02:02] <Krezkey> Hello all
[02:03] <Krezkey> does anyone know the keystroke combo to re-inable the righ click mouse button ?
[02:08] <Krezkey> Right click on desktop has stopped working after I dropped my game controler on my keyboard, any key strokes I can make to fix ?
[03:48] <xiaobaojkl2000> anybody here? there is a question in my computer  , there is no shutdown button in my kubuntu system  , and i try to reinstall kdm and make it default , and install the kshutdown , but it still
[03:49] <xiaobaojkl2000> if there are any other ways to solove this
[03:50] <Walzmyn> shutdown button? do you mean in kmenu?
[03:50] <xiaobaojkl2000> yes
[03:50] <James147> xiaobaojkl2000: and you loged in from kdm?
[03:51] <Walzmyn> xiaobaojkl2000: it should be under "leave" in the kmenu
[03:51] <xiaobaojkl2000> can not log in form kdm although kdm is default
[03:51] <xiaobaojkl2000> log in form the terminal
[03:51] <Walzmyn> xiaobaojkl2000: oh, then there won't be, 'cause the GUI can't shut down, only log out to terminal
[03:51] <xiaobaojkl2000> no  , there is nothing except leave
[03:53] <James147> xiaobaojkl2000: without kdm kde dosnt have the prevliges to shutdown ^^ therefore not buttons are offered
[03:57] <xiaobaojkl2000> ok , i know , but , i reinstall the kdm , and make it default ,why i can not log in from kdm and only in terminal , and when i want to shutdown it from the terminal , always i just force to enter in the safe mode
[03:57] <Daskreech> xiaobaojkl2000: KDM is coded to allow GNOME or anything else tos hut down
[03:57] <Daskreech> GDM only allows GNome to Shutdown
[03:57] <Daskreech> Xfce and so on just use Gnome's way of shutdown to stay compatible
[03:57] <Daskreech> Ah differnt discussion :)
[03:58]  * Daskreech has to go for a bit
[03:58] <xiaobaojkl2000> yes different discussion , but i get it
[04:44] <gwoods_> hey guys sorry for bothering but please help us if you can, it's really serious
[04:44] <gwoods_> http://tenyears.chipin.com/resources-for-students
[08:29] <mr0wl> On Natty we get KDE SC 4.6.2 right?
[08:30] <mr0wl> The unity stuff didn't affect us right?
[08:51] <policyq> what unity stuff
[08:53] <Tm_T> !unity > policyq
[08:53] <Tm_T> mr0wl: no, it doesn't (:
[08:53] <policyq> so kubuntu doesn't get unity?
[08:57] <policyq> well?? so kubuntu doesnt get unity then..? or
[08:58] <jussi> policyq: no, unity is a shell for gnome
[08:59] <jussi> we have our beloved kde
[08:59] <policyq> ohhh
[09:00] <policyq> you think kubuntu will get a kde version of unity eventually?
[09:03] <jussi> no
[09:03] <jussi> Im fairly sure you could create something somehwat like it using kde though
[09:03] <policyq> ya but who would want to amirite? jkjk
[09:05] <jussi> policyq: if you feel like chatting about whether it should be there or no, you can try #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:06] <policyq> i know but offtopic's been dead for ages. ok guys carry on
[09:16] <simion314> hi,is there a PPA or package to get Firefox4 with kde dialogs?
[09:16] <jussi> simion314: I havent seen one tbh
[09:18] <simion314> jussi: Firefox is less linux friendly then a closed source browser like Opera, but opera seems to render slow on my kubuntu
[09:21] <jussi> simion314: I use chrome ;)
[09:21] <Tm_T> Konqueror!
[09:24] <simion314> jussi: Chrome is missing MRU suport(Most Recent USed tab switching)
[09:40] <simion314> jussi: chrome use gtk dialogs or qt?
[10:11] <noaXess> hey ll
[10:11] <noaXess> is there a cool time tracking widget for kde 4.6x?
[10:20] <noaXess> does anybody use ktimetracker?... it gives me a big systray icon.. http://i.imgur.com/88cPN.png
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[10:47] <pc02-m> alguien me ayuda con ipcop?¿
[10:48] <pc02-m> urgente plz ayuda con ipcop lo tengo instalado pero no me funciona
[10:56] <pc02-m> alguien me ayuda con ipcop?¿
[10:56] <pc02-m> alguien me ayuda con ipcop?¿
[11:02] <pc02-m> alguien me ayuda con ipcop?¿
[11:03] <Tm_T> !pt | pc02-m
[11:07] <c2tarun> is there any application other than kchmviewer to view chm files?
[11:42] <mr0wl> How can I install the latest Oxygemn-GTK release? https://projects.kde.org/news/44
[11:43] <mr0wl> Oxygen-GTK*
[12:44] <andyflag> Hey can anyone help me
[12:47] <Peace-> andyflag: what?
[12:49] <andyflag> When I try and install a program it says can't find libjava.so
[12:49] <andyflag> but I have jre and jdk installed on it
[12:59] <shadeslayer> !find libjava.so
[13:10]  * nx15 is away: Gone away for now
[13:50] <gurlkeee> hi
[13:56] <Guest63901> hello!
[13:57] <Guest63901> what are the difference between kubuntu CD and kubuntu DVD?
[13:59] <tsimpson> the DVD has both the live and alternate installer, as well as some extra packages on the CD so you don't need an internet connection to install them
[13:59] <tsimpson> there is no difference with the system they install though
[14:00] <Guest63901> uhum
[14:00] <Guest63901> do you know for what are real time kernel patches?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> marcelC: i think that's ksplice
[14:06] <shadeslayer> !info ksplice
[14:06] <tsimpson> the realtime kernel is mostly useful for things like audio processing I think
[14:06] <tsimpson> https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT_Patch should start to explain it
[14:33] <gurlkeee> !fps
[14:33] <gurlkeee> !kde
[14:34] <skomorokh> Ever have the root window decide to be ON TOP of wherever windows get opened by default? This is happening to me when using my home dir from a multiple monitor setup in a virtualbox (I pack up my home and take it on the road and just switched my projector to an extended desktop from clone)
[14:34] <skomorokh> Is there some way to tell the root window, plasma-desktop, etc. to for sure be on the bottom?
[14:36] <genii-around> skomorokh: Usually if you put the cursor on the window title bar and rightclick, you get the optiondvanced which has like Keep above other windows, Keep below other windows, etc
[14:37] <skomorokh> Right, but I can't see the titlebar because it appears below the desktop :(
[14:37] <skomorokh> The window is invisible. It shows up in the pager, I can click to switch to it. I can even interact with it.
[14:37] <skomorokh> But I cannot see it unless I right click in the taskbar and tell it to keep above.
[14:50] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:57] <genii-around> skomorokh: Is this with 11.04 ? I am having a similar issue with minimize/maximize on it today after latest updates
[16:45] <gunsofbrixton_> why do the title bars of gtk apps have a different colours than the bars underneath? is that something that can't be fixed? it even persists in natty, where it has been claimed that gtk apps fit in with oxygen: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NattyNarwhal/Beta1/Kubuntu
[16:52] <BluesKaj> gunsofbrixton_, there are a few problems with colours and themes in natty and kde 4.6 , even the non gtk/kde apps have some probs
[16:53] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[17:26] <pointerroyden> heyy
[17:31] <BluesKaj> hi pointerroyden
[17:31] <pointerroyden> hi ;)
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[17:35] <pointerroyden> linux games?
[17:52] <noaXess> does anybody know, why the trayicon of ktimetracker is as big? see here.. http://i.imgur.com/88cPN.png
[18:29] <nautilus_> anyone here who can help a beginner with a kde-related problem?
[18:31] <James147> !ask | nautilus_
[18:31] <nautilus_> thx
[18:35] <marcelC> uh
[18:35] <marcelC> I have a stupid question to ask
[18:36] <marcelC> I minimized koppete how can I raise it to see my contact list?
[18:36] <nautilus_> i use kubuntu 10.10, after a reboot i'm in gnome instead of kde. installed AWN before perhaps thats related. is there an easy way to reinstall / switch back to kde?
[18:37] <marcelC> nautilus_, try configure kdm settings
[18:37] <nautilus_> marcelC: i had that before, i restarted kopete with alt+f2 and changed somewhere in the options to show the icon in the taskbar - if i remember that right
[18:38] <James147> nautilus_: if you ahve both kde and gnome installed then you should beable to log into the enviroment you want by changing the menu options in the login manager
[18:38] <nautilus_> marcelC thx for helping, but can you help me a bit more specific? i'm a newbie
[18:39] <marcelC> after reboot, Dose appear a screen with username and password?
[18:39] <James147> marcelC: and as nautilus_ said, kopete can be set to minimize to teh system tray :) check to see if it is there
[18:40] <marcelC> i am searching that menu now James147
[18:40] <marcelC> nautilus_,  after reboot, Dose appear a screen with username and password?
[18:41] <nautilus_> marcelC no, i deactivated that during or short after installing kubuntu
[18:41] <nautilus_> but it sais kubuntu 10.10 in the splash screen
[18:42] <James147> nautilus_: then how do you start the x enviroment?
[18:42] <nautilus_> i use autologin
[18:42] <James147> nautilus_: so you do use the login manager ^^ it just auto logs you in
[18:43] <James147> nautilus_: logout, then log back in after selecting kde from the sessions menu
[18:43] <nautilus_> James147: you're right, but he asked me if theres a screen ^^
[18:43] <nautilus_> James147: okay, i'll try
[18:47] <ershad> Could you tell me to how to define a keyboard shortcut key for 'operations menu' of a window in Kubuntu 10.10?
[18:48] <James147> ershad: you mean the context menu?
[18:48] <James147> (when you right click something?)
[18:49] <ershad> James147: yes, I would like to open it by pressing 'Alt+space'
[18:49] <ershad> James147: Like, to close a window -  we press 'Alt+Space c'
[18:50] <nautilus_> James147: marcelC: thx for your help guys - it worked, after restart it uses the kde-setting, too. That was pretty easy ;)
[18:50] <James147> ershad: sorry, the context menu, when yo right click something inside the window or the window menu, when you right click the titlebar?
[18:51] <hellslinger_> is there a dev version of oxygen-gtk that will keep gimp from segfaulting at launch?
[18:51] <ershad> James147: yes, the menu we get on right-clicking title bar
[18:52] <James147> ershad: then yes, the default is alt+F3 ^^ but you can change it in the global keyboard shorcuts part of system settings
[18:53] <ershad> James147: I'm sorry, disconnected.
[18:53] <James147> ershad: then yes, the default is alt+F3 ^^ but you can change it in the global keyboard shorcuts part of system settings
[18:55] <ershad> James147: I'm sorry, I couldn't see such an option in global keyboard shotcuts.
[18:55] <ershad> James147: Sorry. found it :)
[18:55] <James147> :)
[18:56] <ershad> James147: Thank you so much for helping :)
[19:20] <lovre> hi all
[19:20] <lovre> i have just installed kubuntu 10.10. How can i easily format my usb flash drive?
[19:21] <lovre> sorry, got disconnected
[19:22] <lovre> !help
[19:22] <lovre> !format
[19:22] <lovre> !partitionmanager
[19:25] <lovre> ok, i dont get it. How do i simly format the usb drive?
[19:26] <James147> lovre: install and use partitionmanager... or use mkfs.* command line utils
[19:27] <lovre> James147: yes, i have just installed the PartitionManager, but im not sure how to format the drive. Should i delete it first and tren create a new partition? Seems rather complicated as opposed to right click-> format....
[19:30] <James147> lovre: doubleclcik on the partition you want to format
[19:31] <draik> !hdmi
[19:31] <lovre> James147: do i choose "Recreate existing file system"?
[19:31] <draik> !audio
[19:31] <James147> lovre: if you want to recreate the existing filesystem... else pick the file system you want to create
[19:31] <lovre> James147: ok, that wasnt so bad... :)  Thank you very much !
[19:32] <James147> lovre: there is no simple right click > format   as formatting should be considred dangrous (it distroys all data on the drive... ) and there is no way to know what filesystem you want to format as
[19:33] <lovre> James147: i understand this. just need to get used to new ways :) Thank !
[20:01] <lovre> is Katapult still maintained for kde?
[20:02] <Daskreech> lovre: No but you can jump in the channel for it
[20:04] <Daskreech> lovre: No but you can jump in the channel for it
[20:05] <lovre> Daskreech: seen on the website last post was in 2008. Too bad, i liked that software
[20:05] <hitesh> can anyone help me solve my problem with Kubuntu latest version?
[20:05] <Daskreech> lovre: It's pretty much superceded by krunner now
[20:05] <Daskreech> lovre: What did you like about it?
[20:06] <lovre> Daskreech: it seemed to be a good guesser of what i want, when using krunner, i have to type almost all letters or even the full name of application
[20:06] <lovre> Daskreech: katapult seemed somehow "smarter". Maybe its just my impression, could be wrong
[20:06] <hitesh> my system CPU utilization goes 100% many times can anyone help me why?
[20:07] <hitesh> and system goes numb.
[20:07] <Raven_work> hitesh:  pop open a terminal and type "top"
[20:07] <Daskreech> lovre: Krunner learns over time. If you keep typing in the same things they rise to the top
[20:07] <Raven_work> And tell us what the most cpu-hungry process on your system is.
[20:07] <Daskreech> For example I play Kpatience a lot and would just type in pat
[20:08] <hitesh> Raven: what next?
[20:08] <lovre> Daskreech: this seems ok. I will see in some time. Thanks for the info, i will give krunner a try
[20:08] <Daskreech> I would keep getting paths and other stuff. Kpat was like the 4th thing down
[20:08] <Daskreech> now it's the number one hit
[20:08] <lovre> nice
[20:08] <Raven_work> hitesh:  And tell us what the most cpu-hungry process on your system is.
[20:08] <Daskreech> lovre: if you want you can switch the interface to Quicksand which I have no idea how much it's maintained but it is much more like katapult
[20:08] <Raven_work> hitesh:  It'll be the one at the top of the list.
[20:09] <hitesh> currently its chrome but most of the time it reflects with xorg
[20:09] <lovre> Daskreech: the thing is, i like to launch apps quickly, but i dont want my system to get all bloated with redundant software, so i will give krunner a try. If it doesnt work out, i will look into the Quicksand. Thanks for the suggestion.
[20:10] <Daskreech> lovre: They are the same thing :)
[20:10] <hitesh> xorg is eating and jumping CPU
[20:10] <Daskreech>  lovre: look in the interface options for Krunner
[20:10] <lovre> Daskreech: oh
[20:10] <Daskreech> lovre: it is the "task oriented" interface
[20:10] <lovre> Daskreech: wow, thats nice
[20:11] <lovre> Daskreech: kubuntu is maturing really nicely. I havent used it in few months, and there are tons of new stuff, and better
[20:14] <Daskreech> lovre: Welcome to KDE :)
[20:14] <lovre> Daskreech: ty :)
[20:16] <James147> lovre: which kde version are you on?
[20:17] <lovre> James147: i have just installed Kubuntu about two hours ago. Kubuntu 10.10 with KDE 4.5.1
[20:18] <James147> lovre: you may want to look at useing the backports ppa to upgrade to kde 4.6.x ^^ it has a fair few improvments over 4.5 :)
[20:18] <lovre> James147: any worth mentioning now? :)
[20:19] <James147> lovre: improved support and managment of activities
[20:19] <James147> lovre: and better orgnisiation of system settings ... that about all I can remember... been using 4.6 for a long time now I cant remember all the differences :)
[20:20] <lovre> James147: how do i switch quickly between activities, since we are at it?
[20:20] <James147> Though kde improves on allot of things with every version
[20:20] <James147> lovre: on kde 4.6 you can with meta+tab
[20:20] <dell> can we install the fedora live security package as a whole in kubuntu?
[20:20] <James147> dont think there is a shortcut by default in 4.5
[20:21] <James147> dell: no
[20:21] <dell> y not
[20:21] <lovre> James147: same here :D Thanx. I wasnt really going to use activities, since i remember it as messy from when they first introduced... But now they seem so lightweight... i must give this a serious try
[20:21] <dell> cant we extract the packages from iso and install?
[20:21] <lovre> James147: the shortcut is the same
[20:21] <dell> the kernel is the same rite
[20:21] <mr0wl> Hello
[20:22] <mr0wl> Testing
[20:22] <James147> dell: because fedora is not baised off debian and installs things to different locations/ maintains packages ina  different way and has many minor differences that you make it very hard to install packages from
[20:22] <lovre> James147: i have made some activities, and now i cant delete them... ?lol
[20:23] <dell> hmmm thx
[20:23] <James147> dell: most applications in fedora are also availble in ubuntu though ^^ so why not look for the ubuntu packages for them
[20:23] <James147> lovre: as I said, 4.6 improves the managment of acivites quite abit
[20:23] <James147> lovre: and is well worth upgrading if you want to use them :)
[20:24] <lovre> James147: seems so, since i cant even name them now :) I should really upgrade...
[20:24] <lovre> James147: how can i do this?
[20:24] <Daskreech> hello
[20:24] <James147> lovre: see the chanel topic for the link :0
[20:24] <lovre> James147: kk ty
[20:24] <Daskreech> lovre: http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.6/
[20:25] <lovre> Daskreech: ty
[20:25] <Daskreech> dell: What security package?
[20:25] <dell> well they r offering a whole list of packages
[20:26] <dell> including Wlan sniffing , crackers , forensic n so on
[20:26] <Daskreech> dell: Oh you want a security distro
[20:26] <dell> i did a search n some ppl were trying to install it on there own distros
[20:26] <dell> yess
[20:26] <dell> but i also like there electronic lab spin
[20:26] <Daskreech> dell: Use the Fedora one then since it has all th things that you want
[20:26] <Daskreech> That's kinda the point of a distro :)
[20:26] <dell> but i like kubuntu
[20:27] <dell> i mean cant i use kubuntu and install both the spins
[20:27] <dell> it will be a jackpot u know
[20:27] <Daskreech> dell: Use Kubuntu for day to day use and the Fedora one for your security things
[20:27] <Daskreech> Yes you can
[20:27] <Daskreech> Because Linux is Awesome
[20:27] <lovre> James147: i have added the repository for backports, but what now? Should i do dist-upgrade?
[20:27] <dell> but how many Os can i have in one hdd
[20:27] <lovre> James147: or just update?
[20:28] <James147> dell: rather then installing packages from another dirtro it is generally better to compile the software if the dirtro you are using dosnt provide packages for them
[20:28] <James147> dell: as many as you can fit :)
[20:28] <lovre> James147: wow, i suddenly have 189 updates ready, dont mind my previous question :D
[20:29] <dell> compile the software please explain
[20:29] <James147> lovre: add the ppa; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:29] <James147> ^^ that is, update the package lists then upgrade the packages
[20:29] <lovre> James147: ok, upgrading now...
[20:29] <James147> dell: first, what programs are you looking to install>
[20:30] <dell> well the whole list available on there site
[20:30] <dell> for the electronic lab spin and the live security spin
[20:32] <James147> dell: this http://spins.fedoraproject.org/security/ ?
[20:32] <dell> yup
[20:33] <James147> ^^ that looks like an entirre dirstro not a single applications :p
[20:33] <dell> where is the configure.help file ? i want to see if my packet socket is enabled
[20:33] <dell> well yeah dude but i wish i could make my own distro with all i want in it ...........
[20:35] <James147> dell: thus you either need to install it as a  nother operating system alongside kubuntu or within a virtual mecheine inside kubuntu if you want to use it
[20:35] <dell> rite
[20:35] <James147> ^^ or if your only intrested in the applications it contains then find their name and install them inkubuntu
[20:35] <dell> yea i did that for some ;)
[20:42] <draik> I'm trying to get HDMI audio to work, but it doesn't seem to stick. When I do (eventually) get audio out of HDMI, rebooting loses the ability to play audio via HDMI. Is there a way to make it stick?
[20:46] <Daskreech> dell: How many? Hmm I know one guy installed 286 on one computer
[20:47] <James147> Daskreech: heh, for any real reason?
[20:47] <Daskreech> James147: to answer the question that dell asked
[20:47] <James147> hehe
[20:48] <Daskreech> dell: Honestly if you have a distro that does what you want then use that distro.
[20:48] <Obituary> hi
[20:48] <Daskreech> !hi
[20:50] <Obituary> anybody please tell me how can i do kubuntu faster?
[20:50] <Obituary> thanks in advance
[20:51] <James147> Obituary: do kubuntu?
[20:52] <Obituary> yes
[20:52] <James147> !details | Obituary
[20:54] <Obituary> kubuntu goes very slow, and some programms stop working and i cannot close them either, thats is what i find
[20:54] <Daskreech> Obituary: what do you do kubuntu ?
[20:54] <Daskreech> Obituary: What are the specs on your computer?
[20:55] <Obituary> 1 gb ram, amd 3000
[20:59] <James147> Obituary: I would suggest you monitor your system resources and see what programs are useing them
[21:00] <James147> ksysguard  (System monitor) will show you what processes are using cpu and memory... see which applications are the biggest offendors
[21:01] <Obituary> ok, thanks, let me see
[21:12] <scottamunga> hey everybody, I just downloaded the latest drivers for my NVIDIA card, and it is a file with a *.run extension.  What do I need to do to install it? Is there a tutorial somewhere?
[21:13] <scottamunga> I tried opening it with Kate, and through that I learned of a nifty tool to open a terminal inside Kate, but I can't get it to execute.  I apologize for my n00bishness.
[21:13] <James147> scottamunga: unless you are having problems with the divers from the repos I suggest you dont use the oens form the nvidia site
[21:14] <James147> scottamunga: to run it you need to make it executable (if it isnt already) and run it in a terminal with "./scriptname.run" (assuming you are in the directory that contains the script) however that script retuires you to run with while the X enviroment isnt running
[21:15] <scottamunga> ok
[21:15] <scottamunga> I was just having a few problems with glitchy flash videos and emulators
[21:16] <scottamunga> I know it could also be problems with Flash and the emulator, but I'd been taught to check your graphics driver first.  Whether that's the wrong thing, idk. :D
[21:16] <James147> scottamunga: what version of kubuntu are you on?
[21:16] <scottamunga> 10.10, with KDE 4.6
[21:17] <scottamunga> I'm using the flash from the repos and VBA from the repos
[21:17] <scottamunga> I tried installing flash from Adobe's website (this was before you warned me not to do that - there haven't been any *new* problems yet :) )
[21:18] <Daskreech> Obituary: You may also want to turn off desktop effects
[21:18] <Daskreech> scottamunga: emulators?
[21:18] <Obituary> and how i do that daskreech
[21:19] <scottamunga> Daskreech - I used VBA and ZSNES
[21:19] <scottamunga> I'm not anymore though
[21:19] <Daskreech> Obituary: press alt+F2 and type effects
[21:21] <Obituary> uau
[21:21] <Obituary> thanks a lot daskreech
[21:21] <Obituary> its really now much faster
[21:22] <Daskreech> Obituary: :)
[21:23] <scottamunga> Daskreech: Why did you ask about emulators?
[21:23] <Daskreech> You mentioned Flash and emulators. I was trying to figure out if you meant a flash emulator or a emulator for something written in flash
[21:26] <scottamunga> oh lol
[21:41] <lovre> i get some errors (two to be precise) when booting kubuntu. Something fatal mentioning some modules, but everything loads properly. is this something known or should i write down the exact messages?
[21:42] <savpether> hi, i made kdm theme for ne kubuntu 11.04 if you want you can add this theme as default in kubuntu 11.04
[21:42] <savpether> http://www.sendspace.pl/file/f9e2b6a39e6031ac09c7c62
[21:43] <savpether> and
[21:43] <savpether> this is screenshot
[21:43] <savpether> http://www.imghost.pl/?id=9b50cb79d7
[21:43] <FloodBotK1> savpether: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:43] <savpether> ok
[21:43] <savpether> sorry
[21:47] <savpether> is there anybody from kubuntu team?
[21:49] <James147> savpether: kubuntu tends to use the upstream themes and hasnt of yet changed from that... thus it is unlikly that they will chose to use your theme as the default
[21:49] <James147> :p
[21:50] <James147> savpether: kubuntu tends to use the upstream themes and hasnt of yet changed from that... thus it is unlikly that they will chose to use your theme as the default
[21:51] <James147> savpether: Also, it would be better to ask in #ubuntu+1 or #kubuntu-devel  ... Though dont expect much from them
[21:51] <savpether> ok
[21:51] <savpether> thank
[21:51] <savpether> s
[21:52] <James147> savpether: though it might be useful to place the theme on kde-look.org
[21:52] <James147> ^^ that way it will be visable from the get new stuff dialog
[22:10] <areichman> Does anybody here know who writes the release announcements for new versions of kubuntu?
[22:28] <him> hay
[22:29] <him> any one to talk
[22:29] <him> to solveprobs
[22:52] <valorie> !sound
[22:55] <valorie> !user
[22:57] <scottamunga> is there a way to join #ubuntu from quassel irc?
[22:57] <scottamunga> hi, btw
[22:58] <scottamunga> sorry figured it out
[22:58] <scottamunga> sorry to bother
[22:58] <scottamunga> :)
[23:22] <Guiri> Howdy. Trying to put Kubuntu 10.10 PPC on an old laptop. The CD loads to the KDM password prompt. What's the login/pass?
[23:24] <areichman> Guiri: did you try leaving them blank and pressing enter?
[23:24] <areichman> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD#Troubles%20with%20a%20LiveCD
[23:25] <Guiri> yeah. I'll read the help article but I did try that
[23:26] <Guiri> oddly enough user ubuntu seems to have worked fine. we'll see if the rest loads up
[23:26] <Guiri> thx areichman i
[23:26] <areichman> did it work? I've never had to login to a live CD
[23:32] <Daskreech> Guiri: ubuntu with no password
[23:42] <Guiri> actually it just seems to cycle back through KDM when I do that Daskreech
[23:42] <Guiri> Weird
[23:44] <Daskreech> Guiri: can you jump to a terminal and try that?
[23:45] <Guiri> yeah 1 second. It takes a minute to cycle through b/c I haven't installed the ram upgrade yet
[23:46] <Daskreech> wait a minute?
[23:46] <Daskreech>  what cycle does it go through/
[23:47] <Guiri> After enter is pressed and the login "ubuntu" is entered it jumps back through the KDM cycle, Hard drive, world icon, KDE icon, etc
[23:47] <Guiri> Does that make more sense? Sorry I'm confusing
[23:50] <James147> Guiri: have you checked the cd and iso?
[23:53] <Guiri> I'll do that next. I can always use the alternative cd I suppose
[23:54] <James147> Guiri: first validate the cd and reburn it if it fails :)
[23:54]  * valorie has a problem: I was trying to get skype to work last night
[23:55] <valorie> and now I have NO SOUND
[23:55] <valorie> alsamixer: nothing muted
[23:55] <valorie> kmix is useless, just an error message
[23:55] <valorie> veromix says everything is working, but there is no sound
[23:55] <valorie> in or out
[23:56] <valorie> Youtube, phonon-backend test, Amarok, nada
[23:57] <valorie> I looked at all the sound help page, but that stuff all applies when your soundcard isn't properly seen by the kernel, or you don't have the proper drivers, etc.
[23:59] <cp> I recently installed kubuntu i386 natty and every time I try to resize konsole the machine locks up.  It doesn't happen when I resize firefox...  And the bug reporting tool blows up too.  Any suggestions?
[23:59] <valorie> cp, try #ubuntu+1


[03:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80920 in mesa (main) "r300 DRI broken on big endian (edgy regression)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80920
[06:28] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80925 in xorg (main) "dri image corruption i810 driver in fullscreen " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80925
[09:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80940 in xorg (main) "ati radeon driver does not autodetect displaysize on Latitude D600, therefore uses wrong resolution" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80940


[20:24] <linuxdude> hello
[20:25] <TheLordOfTime> hiya
[20:26] <linuxdude> First time here. I'm interest in learning QA and helping Ubuntu get better.


[03:22] <johndavepallan> hello to all
[03:23] <johndavepallan> anybody know an application for reddit
[03:23] <ianorlin> johndavepallan: other than a webbrowser?
[03:23] <holstein> lol
[03:23] <johndavepallan> yeah ianorlin
[03:24] <johndavepallan> i found reditr but i think its for 32bit...or older package
[03:24] <holstein> i dont think you'll care, either way
[03:24] <holstein> http://reditr.com/
[03:25] <johndavepallan> tried to install it holstein but there is a dependency issue.
[03:25] <holstein> since, its not requiring doing anything CPU intensive.. i would just be cautious of the security if it is, in fact old
[03:25] <holstein> johndavepallan: sure. let the creators know
[03:25] <johndavepallan> ok
[03:25] <johndavepallan> oh well, i'll just use the browser for now :)
[11:52] <dust> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2015-July/038825.html
[11:52] <dust> It would be good to prepare
[11:52] <dust> something similar for Lubuntu and Xubuntu.
[11:54] <ianorlyn> dust: I saw but not much C++ stuff currently in lubuntu
[11:54] <ianorlyn> mainly abiword, gnumeric, synaptic, and lubuntu-software-center
[11:55] <dust> btw 15.10 will be lxde or lxqt?
[11:55] <ianorlyn> lxde
[11:56] <ianorlyn> although that would be a lot of changes for lxqt
[11:56] <dust> so the change for 16.04?
[11:56] <ianorlyn> not sure really
[11:57] <dust> k
[15:49] <binaryhermit> I wouldn't think 16.04 would be lxqt, since it might not be prudent to make big changes in the development cycle immediately preceding a LTS release
[15:50] <binaryhermit> but I might be wrong
[15:50] <wxl> i would say that's a fair assertion, binaryhermit
[15:50] <wxl> we'll likely see it in 16.10 or so
[15:50] <wxl> we also have some big dev changes going on globally, like we're to get gcc 5 in wily
[15:50] <binaryhermit> though Kubuntu wasn't LTS once because of the KDE3->KDE4 transition, if I recall correctly
[15:51] <wxl> right but i don't think we want to go that way
[15:51] <binaryhermit> right
[15:52] <bioterror> is that lxqt so much better than what the normal lxde is? what are the benefits?
[15:53] <wxl> more or less, development has really ceased for lxde
[15:53] <wxl> upstream
[15:53] <wxl> lxqt, ultimately, is more supported and maintainable
[15:53] <wxl> really, though, we're talking about swapping graphics libraries
[15:54] <wxl> however, for lubuntu it means qt applications (because we don't need extraneous graphics libraries)
[15:54] <wxl> so default apps will be changing
[15:54] <wxl> perhaps to the chagrin of some folks
[15:54] <bioterror> could be a good thing
[15:54] <wxl> but you know, you can install whatever you want :)
[15:56] <Unit193> Except the slight unstability of it, that is. :D
[15:57] <wxl> yeah well, it's getting there
[17:57] <deitarion> While I'm waiting for a third wall-mount plate from Hong Kong, is there a way to make LXPanel run along the bottom of a monitor not at the bottom of the desktop bounding rectangle?
[17:58] <deitarion> (The new monitor is to the left of and below the two already hanging on my home-made monitor arm and I want my panel on the monitor that used to be the left but is now the middle.
[17:58] <deitarion> )
[18:09] <deitarion> Also, is there a way to divide the task list across multiple taskbar widgets (eg. Something like KDE's "only show windows on this monitor") so I don't have to choose between accurate inter-monitor mouse motion and a nice, roomy taskbar?
[19:20] <newguy> hello


[03:37] <hendry> hi guys, looking for a way to turn off ssh password authentication
[03:37] <hendry> saw mention of ssh_pwauth, but I can't find it in the docs
[03:37] <hendry> do you guys seriously still use bzr? https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/hacking.html
[03:47] <magicalChicken> hendry: just setting 'ssh_pwauth: false' in config should disable it. its handled in cc_set_passwords.py around line 100 if you want to see the details
[03:48] <hendry> magicalChicken: thank you, though is it in the documentation?
[03:48] <hendry> was curious to figure out what was the default too
[03:49] <magicalChicken> i searched the docs and I don't think its there
[03:49] <magicalChicken> I think the default is to just preserve whatever the distro default is
[03:49] <magicalChicken> which I think for ubuntu is true
[03:55] <hendry> magicalChicken: shouldn't that be raised as a bug perhaps? that's its not documented?
[03:55] <magicalChicken> yeah, probably, there's some other documentation that needs to be updated too
[03:59]  * hendry wonders what the difference is between repo_upgrade: all and package_upgrade: true
[04:16] <hendry> https://twitter.com/kaihendry/status/750178637026996224
[18:09] <mgagne> smoser: so I tested cloud-init with baremetal and found that Nova does not use vlan_mac_address but ethernet_mac_address
[18:52] <rharper> mgagne: do you have your network_data.json and the network config it rendered ?
[19:00] <mgagne> rharper: it failed to render with a KeyError
[19:04] <rharper> mgagne: ok, so there's a vlan device but no vlan_mac_address key in the json
[19:04] <rharper> or that's my guess without seeing the network_data.json
[19:04] <mgagne> yea, it is ethernet_mac_address
[19:04] <rharper> well that's odd
[19:04] <mgagne> not vlan_mac_address
[19:04] <rharper> to have ethernet_mac_address under vlan device ?
[19:04] <mgagne> I don't think that's the point
[19:05] <mgagne> https://github.com/jayofdoom/cloud-init-fedora-pkg/blob/master/cloud-init-0.7.5-onmetal-configdrive.patch#L103-L104
[19:05] <mgagne> https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/netutils.py#L261
[19:05] <mgagne> there is no special case for vlan
[19:06] <mgagne> and provider implementing the spec are using ethernet_mac_address, not vlan_mac_address.
[19:07] <mgagne> in fact, I found that glean supports both
[19:07] <mgagne> https://github.com/openstack-infra/glean/blob/master/glean/cmd.py#L514-L515
[19:07] <mgagne> or I misinterpreted it
[19:08] <mgagne> what do you think?
[19:08] <rharper> I'm checking some doc;  I had at least one example where the data included a vlan_mac_address
[19:11] <mgagne> jroll: ^ do you know if rax provides mac address for VLAN interfaces in config drive? if so, in which field?
[19:18] <rharper> mgagne: AFAICT, vlans can have a uniq mac, if they want;    if the type: vlan didn't include vlan_mac_address or ethernet_mac_address, then the vlan interface would get the mac from the vlan_link interface it runs on top of;  in your case, I think we should at least check for either vlan_mac_address or ethernet_mac_address in the type:vlan dictionary;
[19:19] <mgagne> rharper: right so this could fallback gracefully to the "raw" interface mac address? I'm not sure of the impact of such change tbh
[19:20] <rharper> mgagne: well, it would omit including a hwaddress under the vlan interface
[19:20] <mgagne> I'm more or less concerned about what should be the name of this field as I saw implementation differing from spec
[19:20] <rharper> well
[19:20] <rharper> it could be called 'mac_address'
[19:20] <rharper> and it's properly scoped under a type: ethernet  or type: vlan
[19:20] <mgagne> it's already ethernet_mac_address in code
[19:21] <rharper> in our model, in either case, if when rendering a type: x, it shows up as an interface property
[19:21] <rharper> the spec didn't cover vlans IIRC, no ? just mentioned them in passing
[19:21] <rharper> in the examples show, they were type: ethernet devices and then included the 'ethernet_mac_address' field
[19:22] <mgagne> rharper: yea, they mentioned it in the example which happened to be a "strong" reference when writing the implementation
[19:22] <rharper> right
[19:22] <mgagne> but as you saw, they followed part of it
[19:22] <mgagne> they renamed neutron_network_id for network_id and didn't update the spec
[19:23] <mgagne> and now we also have out of tree implementation floating around (including mine)
[19:23] <rharper> right, and others
[19:23] <rharper> rackspace/ironic  (which is where I got the vlan_mac_address) for their type: vlan
[19:23] <mgagne> which I happened to write to fit the rax's cloud-init fork implementaiton
[19:24] <mgagne> rharper: there is no mention of vlan_mac_address in their implementation in cloud-init. Do you happen to have access to a config drive generated at rax?
[19:24] <rharper> I'm not certain what we should do w.r.t the spec lacking specification other than be widely accepting in *mac_address
[19:24] <mgagne> will check bifrost
[19:24] <rharper> mgagne: I have the network_data.json , is that good enought ?
[19:24] <mgagne> I'm sure it contains all that's needed
[19:25] <mgagne> I'm happy to change my implementation if the consensus happens to be vlan_mac_address
[19:25] <mgagne> well... https://github.com/openstack/bifrost/blob/fa5f65adeff340f8415be46754cb327a3912852d/playbooks/library/network_metadata.py#L83
[19:25] <rharper> honestly, it'd be nice to drop the prefix, since the field is under a type: XXX dictionary
[19:25] <mgagne> looks like I was wrong =()
[19:26] <mgagne> true
[19:26] <rharper> I have ethernet, bond and vlan dictionaries
[19:26] <rharper> each which *could* have a mac_address value, and it's scoped per-interface anyhow;
[19:26] <mgagne> but it's a public "api" and changing implementation is close to impossible to make for "don't break end user interface"
[19:26] <mgagne> ok, will update my implementation I guess
[19:26] <rharper> http://paste.ubuntu.com/18575659/
[19:27] <rharper> that's the rax one we got with ipv6 , bonding, and vlans
[19:27] <mgagne> cool, looks like it's vlan_mac_address
[19:27] <mgagne> but
[19:27] <mgagne> I'm sure it used to be ethernet_mac_address =)
[19:28] <rharper> yeah, and I'd +1 updating spec to just be 'mac_address' under type: X
[19:28] <mgagne> because otherwise this would make no sense: https://github.com/jayofdoom/cloud-init-fedora-pkg/blob/master/cloud-init-0.7.5-onmetal-configdrive.patch#L277
[19:28] <rharper> mgagne: yeah, that wouldn't work with the mismatch
[19:28] <mgagne> so I guess I will include both for now until I fix all my images :-/
[19:29] <mgagne> oh, I know why
[19:30] <mgagne> it used to be in vendor_data.json
[19:30] <mgagne> and now it's in network_data.json which happens to respect the new approved spec
[19:31] <rharper> interesting
[19:36] <mgagne> so to conclude: cloud-init implementation is right. old implementation by rax is wrong when used against upstream Nova implementation (but not against their own vendor implementation)
[19:36] <mgagne> and I'm stuck in the middle :D
[19:38] <rharper> that looks about right =(
[20:13] <harlowja> mgagne start contributing to the upstream cloud-init one ;)
[20:13] <harlowja> shouldn't be a need for a custom version anymore
[20:14] <harlowja> and with https://code.launchpad.net/~harlowja/cloud-init/cloud-init-render-tool u can test the rendering(s) before using it
[20:14] <mgagne> waiting for git repo (muhaha)
[20:14] <harlowja> ah, smoser ^^^^^
[20:14] <harlowja> ding a ling
[20:14] <harlowja> lol
[20:14] <rharper> nice
[20:15] <harlowja> ya, that render helper thing is useful for seeing exactly wtf is gonna be output given a network_data.json
[20:29] <harlowja> and yes mgagne u should let me know if that thing has rendering issues


[03:59] <Kilos> cremora minora
[04:28] <Kilos> 38mm vanaf 3.15 vanoggend inetpro
[05:07] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[05:07] <Kilos> ohi Tonberry
[05:07] <Tonberry> hi
[05:39] <Kilos> hi pieter2627
[05:40] <pieter2627> morning Kilos
[05:45] <Kilos> ai! this thunderbird drives me mad
[05:48] <Kilos> i made a vcard from evolution then told TB to to import it
[05:49] <Kilos> it imports them as list.vcf but doesnt add them to my personal address book so i still have to find addresses
[05:49] <Kilos> grrrr
[05:50] <Kilos> now the pro will say RTFS
[05:50] <Kilos> ai!
[05:51] <Kilos> oh i have to do some export thing too
[05:51] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:08] <Kilos> pieter2627  how good are you with finding bugs in ubuntu
[06:08] <Kilos> fixing
[06:09] <pieter2627> Kilos: don't know - have never really tried it
[06:10] <Kilos> just asked because they are looking for more peeps in the bugsquad and that will definitely help towards membership
[06:15] <Kilos> but i suppose it will mean working on releases before they are officially released too
[06:22] <pieter2627> i don't mind test driving and working on alpha/beta releases
[06:23] <Kilos> read the mail i sent you
[06:23] <Kilos> or the weekly news letter link rather, maybe there is a link there to the bug peeps
[06:29] <pieter2627> yes there is (it is also on trello)
[06:30] <pieter2627> will read more this afternoon
[06:31] <Kilos> cool
[06:40] <pieter2627> Here's the state of by branch after merging from trunk - I've a pending merge tip issue. http://bin.snyman.info/yjt2j
[06:43] <Kilos> as soon as moppie has sorted what he must then fly will get to yours
[06:45] <pieter2627> oh, that is what fly meant - misunderstood his comment
[06:46] <pieter2627> will wait for moppie's missing pages/images
[06:46] <Kilos> fly likes things to be perfect thats why he reviews everything first then once he is happy with it he merges
[06:47] <Kilos> where is this comment
[06:47] <Kilos> i read in trello this morning but maybe missed something
[06:47] <pieter2627> understandable - am a semi-perfectionist as well
[06:47] <Kilos> good keep it up
[06:47] <pieter2627> https://code.launchpad.net/~pieter2627/ubuntu-africa/jumbrotron-edits/+merge/255225
[06:48] <Kilos> did you make a branch off trunk?
[06:49] <Kilos> i thinks thats what he wants
[06:50] <Kilos> so go trunk/pieter i think he will be happier
[06:51] <Kilos> i think this site will be a hit
[06:52] <Kilos> im gonna advertise it in the councils and the pro can g+ and tweet it
[06:52] <Kilos> so it must but perfect
[06:53] <Kilos> peeps must look at add to thing and say wow thats kinda impossible to beat
[06:54] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:55] <Kilos> and nuvolari  and Squirm
[07:04] <Kilos> hi barrydk
[07:13] <barrydk>  More almal. Kilos
[07:14] <pieter2627> Kilos: will do
[07:14] <Kilos> cool
[07:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[07:43] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[07:44] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[07:49] <Private_User> Hi Kilos
[07:49] <psyatw> hi Private_User
[07:50] <Private_User> hi psyatw
[08:11] <TinuvaMac> morning Kilos
[08:11] <TinuvaMac> today I beat you to it
[08:11] <Kilos> lol hi TinuvaMac
[08:14] <Kilos> what havent you done yet?
[08:19] <TinuvaMac> many things
[08:19] <Kilos> well do them man
[08:21] <Kilos> starting with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[08:53] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[08:53] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[09:07] <Kilos> hi mazal
[09:07] <mazal> Hi everyone
[09:08] <Kilos> yo drussell
[09:16] <magespawn> hi mazal
[09:21] <magespawn> Kilos: what is with the 'yo'?
[09:22] <Kilos> if you cant beat them join them
[09:22] <magespawn> hah
[09:22] <Kilos> i get hey from all over the world
[09:23] <Kilos> even asia
[09:23] <Kilos> amazing what influence american movies have had on the world
[09:32] <magespawn> i was not sure if that was down to american culture or not
[09:32] <Kilos> lol
[09:33] <Kilos> ya man even bruce willis says hey in the movies
[09:37]  * drussell waves to Kilos
[09:38] <magespawn> i think maybe that was said before, but i can't be sure
[09:38] <drussell> Kilos: he also says "Yippee ki-yay, motherf***er!" ;o)
[09:39] <Kilos> lol
[09:39] <drussell> but my favourite line is "welcome to the party pal" :oD
[09:39] <Kilos> he has actually made some very good movies
[09:40] <drussell> 5th element
[09:40] <drussell> still looks good for scifi standards even today, and it's getting on a bit in movie terms
[09:41] <magespawn> now if that is not giving away your age i don't know what is
[09:41] <Kilos> lol
[09:41] <inetpro> good mornings to everyone
[09:41] <inetpro> oh and that includes a hey to oom Kilos as well
[09:42] <Kilos> good morning inetpro
[09:42] <Kilos> lurker
[09:42] <Kilos> i see you guys were busy after i went to bed
[09:43] <Kilos> i like the dedication
[09:44] <magespawn> drussell: 1997
[09:45] <magespawn> Starship Troopers?
[09:48] <drussell> magespawn: ooh another good call
[09:59] <Kilos> actually come to think of it, i havent got a hey from germany yet
[09:59] <Kilos> they seems to be immune to tv/movie brainwashing
[10:23] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:25] <Kilos> inetpro  you think you can get moppie going tonight?
[10:25] <Kilos> motivate help and encourage
[10:26] <Kilos> haha you and the trello thing
[10:49] <Symmetria> http://photoshots.co.ke/engagements_more.php?Page=1&id_engagement=37
[11:15] <magespawn> Symmetria: congratulations!
[11:52] <Kilos> hi lin
[11:54] <lin> Hey kilos
[12:35] <Kilos> wow magespawn  half the day you been here already, well done
[12:54] <inetpro> ai!
[12:57] <magespawn> no connection problems today, but now i have to go. chat later
[12:59] <Kilos> ok inetpro  wat het jy nou gebreek
[13:01] <inetpro> Kilos: nee jy
[13:01] <Kilos> wat het ek gebreek
[13:01] <inetpro> jy en mazal praat nie meer nie?
[13:01] <Kilos> ai!
[13:02] <inetpro> en jy te stil vandag
[13:02] <Kilos> bietjie gele, slegte nag
[13:03] <Kilos> wb TinuvaMac
[13:03] <Kilos> remind me tomorrow ill rattle his ears
[13:04] <Kilos> all these late night take their toll on ballies
[13:04] <Kilos> nights
[13:05] <Kilos> oh and your stupid thunderbird
[13:39] <Kilos> inetpro  miskien moet jy gou huis toe gaan
[13:39] <Kilos> lyk soos groot goed aan din komst
[13:39] <Kilos> die
[13:40] <Kilos> miskien ak verby jou
[13:44] <Kilos> lyk of dit van die suide af kom
[13:48] <Kilos> ohi Xethron  where you been
[13:49] <Kilos> we waiting for you to fill in your info here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[13:59] <inetpro> Kilos: uh oh!
[13:59] <inetpro> getting very dark here now
[13:59] <Kilos> either go now or wait for it to pass
[13:59] <Kilos> might take long though
[14:00] <inetpro> too late now, I wait
[14:00] <inetpro> Kilos: btw, did you ask something about peeps joining ubuntu-za the other day?
[14:00] <Kilos> most likely
[14:00] <Kilos> other day was other day
[14:00] <inetpro> not sure whether I responded
[14:01] <Kilos> yaya mostly you ignore me
[14:01] <inetpro> ai!
[14:01] <Kilos> lol
[14:02] <Kilos> oh ya how do peeps join launchpad ubuntu-za
[14:02] <inetpro> just go to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[14:02] <Kilos> ty sir goosie
[14:02] <inetpro> ask pieter2627 what he did
[14:03] <Kilos> lol
[14:03] <inetpro> he's part of "Latest members" now
[14:03] <Kilos> i see
[14:03] <Kilos> we should put a join button there
[14:04] <inetpro> isn't it there?
[14:04] <inetpro> but obviously only if you're not a member yet
[14:04] <Kilos> oh
[14:04] <Kilos> no wonder i cant find it
[14:05] <inetpro> ai!
[14:05] <Kilos> more dark stuff coming from the south
[14:06] <inetpro> raining here now
[14:06] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:08] <Kilos> wow just got an sms from telkom . bring friends to telkom mobile and get a months free data
[14:09] <Kilos> Private_User  go join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za man
[14:11] <Private_User> Hi Kilos, I think I did but not sure which details I used, let me go check and update those details
[14:11] <Kilos> we dont mind if youre in tongaat or prieska
[14:11] <inetpro> Kilos: if you open the link with another browser you see a link at the top right "Join the team"
[14:11] <Kilos> let me know
[14:11] <Kilos> aha
[14:14] <Kilos> hmm... can it be opera browser doesnt want me to join
[14:14] <Kilos> hehe
[14:14] <Kilos> too late sucker
[14:20] <pieter2627> Kilos: like inetpro said, there will be a join button where it list the number of current members
[14:20] <Kilos> ty pieter2627  i wondered because i dont see it
[14:21] <inetpro> Kilos: you really want to join again?
[14:22] <Kilos> nono man but i like to see things if i must help others
[14:22] <Kilos> i would never join this bunch again if you paid me
[14:22] <Kilos> now its too late
[14:22] <pieter2627> It will be exactly where it currently says "You are a member of this team."
[14:23] <Kilos> aha dankie
[14:23] <inetpro> Kilos: they say, "Don’t be afraid to start over. It’s a brand new opportunity to rebuild what you truly want."
[14:23] <pieter2627> Also where it says 'Leave the Team' - which is something Kilos should not experiment with :P
[14:23] <inetpro> Author Unknown
[14:23] <Kilos> lol
[14:24] <inetpro> :-)
[14:24] <Kilos> if i leave i can get lots of sleep
[14:24] <Private_User> hmm... looks like I registered to the mailing list using Private_User and also registered as Private User
[14:24] <pieter2627> Who would want to sleep in day time...
[14:25] <Kilos> Private_User  now go fill in here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[14:25] <Kilos> please
[14:26] <Kilos> i worked hard to make that wiki page
[14:26] <Kilos> and pro worked harder to fix it
[14:26] <Private_User> ok Kilos will do but I think I also gonna create another account with my personal details
[14:26] <Kilos> thats fine Private_User
[14:27] <Private_User> Kilos: so its fine to have anonymous details?
[14:28] <Kilos> well if you must you must but how does one become friends with mr anonymous
[14:28] <Kilos> if the law is after then ok
[14:29] <Private_User> lol
[14:29] <Private_User> ok I will create a new one
[14:29] <Kilos> cool
[14:35] <kulelu88> Does anybody know how to setup gnupg?
[14:35] <Kilos> hi kulelu88
[14:38] <kulelu88> hello
[14:41] <Kilos> Maaz  google how to setup gnupg
[14:41] <Maaz> Kilos: "Getting Started - GnuPG" https://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/c14.html :: "Using the GNU Privacy Guard: Installation - GnuPG" https://www.gnupg.org/(it)/documentation/manuals/gnupg/Installation.html :: "First steps - where do I start, where do I begin? (Setup GPGTools ..." http://support.gpgtools.org/kb/how-to/first-steps-where-do-i-start-where-do-i-begin-
[14:41] <Maaz> setup-gpgtools-create-a-new-key-your-first-encrypted-mail :: "Pine Privacy Guard: HOWTO Set…
[14:41] <Kilos> eish more keys
[14:42] <kulelu88> it says I must use my full name
[14:42] <Kilos> why
[14:45] <kulelu88> I don't know
[14:47] <Kilos> well if it is using your pc as its base for setting keys the name you login with should work
[14:47] <Private_User> Kilos: you know I hate reading so anything I should be aware of regarding terms and conditions?
[14:48] <Kilos> wait a bit Private_User  ive got a copying progress thing covering what you said and i dunno where it hide button went
[14:48] <Kilos> maybe inetpro  or pieter2627  can answer you
[14:49] <Kilos> i thought anyone can edit wiki pages
[14:49] <Kilos> oh lo, no
[14:51] <Kilos> ignore them Private_User  and walk on by
[14:51] <Private_User> ok I have clicked create account now
[14:54] <pieter2627> Can't remember if I even read the T&C when i created my account a few years back
[14:54] <kulelu88> if that was the case, they would be defaced daily
[14:54] <kulelu88> by bots of course
[14:56] <Kilos> terms and conditions are by the launchpad thing hey
[15:00] <Kilos> kulelu88  what wants your full name?
[15:00] <Kilos> the gnupg thing
[15:02] <kulelu88> aah okay I know why now
[15:03] <kulelu88> but doesn't matter
[15:03] <Kilos> explain so i also know
[15:03] <kulelu88> this weather is kak
[15:03] <kulelu88> Giving your full name is about creating identifiable trust in the emails
[15:03] <Kilos> ah
[15:03] <kulelu88> if you are Kilos and you use Kilos as your name, I can also go make an email and use the alias Kilos
[15:04] <Kilos> ok
[15:04] <kulelu88> using a private domain should address this issue, as nobody else can create email addresses on it
[15:05] <Kilos> only thing you wont be able to send mail with my addy
[15:06] <kulelu88> ja, but now if you are Kilos I could easily pretend I am you
[15:06] <kulelu88> but if you are<EMAIL_ADDRESS>then I can't create a kilos.co.za email address
[15:06] <Kilos> to do what if you cant send with my address
[15:07] <kulelu88> I can spoof if though
[15:07] <Kilos> mine is @ubuntu.com
[15:12] <Kilos> if thats not secure from naughty peeps nothing is
[15:22] <inetpro> hmm...
[15:22] <inetpro> sounds like a twisted sense of security
[15:23] <Kilos> uh oh
[15:23] <inetpro> having a @ubuntu address has nothing to do with security
[15:24] <Kilos> how can anyone na aap that
[15:24] <kulelu88> turns out, you cannot spoof the header because that is not part of the encryption
[15:24] <inetpro> ai!
[15:24] <Kilos> dont ai! explain
[15:29] <Kilos> now hes googling again sigh
[15:30] <kulelu88> who
[15:30] <Kilos> pro
[15:31] <Kilos> then he gives me a pile of links to try get through
[15:31] <Kilos> and he knows i dont do RTFS very well
[15:31] <Kilos> i only got std 6
[15:32] <kulelu88> for real?
[15:32] <kulelu88> yoh
[15:32] <Kilos> no man
[15:32] <kulelu88> grade 8 :O
[15:32] <Kilos> im just blind
[15:33] <Kilos> and stupid
[15:33] <Kilos> i dunno grades
[15:35] <Kilos> oh is grade 8 same as standard 6
[16:24] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[17:25] <Kilos> now he know im stupid kulelu88  dont talk to me anymore
[17:29] <Kilos> Maaz  seen mopkop
[17:29] <Maaz> Kilos: mopkop was last seen 21 hours, 59 minutes and 46 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-04-07 21:29:20 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-04-08 00:11:39 SAST
[17:29] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:35] <pieter2627> uh slim oom Kilos :), is enige van die za lede deel van die 'One Hundred Papercuts' projek?
[17:35] <Kilos> nee ek glo nie
[17:36] <Kilos> paper cuts hurt
[17:37] <pieter2627> haha, it's one of Ubuntu's bug fixing projects
[17:37] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:37] <Kilos> is jy al in daar?
[17:38] <Kilos> moet net nie dink jy kan daar kwaai betrokke raak ens on afskeep nie hoor
[17:39] <Kilos> hi octoquad
[17:39] <octoquad> evening
[17:39] <Kilos> long time no see
[17:40] <pieter2627> nee, wil kyk om jul te join (ek is iemand wat meer daarvan hou om goed reg te maak as om inligting vir n bug te kry) so probeer vind of hul n IRC channel het
[17:40] <Kilos> octoquad  dont you want to add you here please https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[17:40] <Kilos> vra net
[17:40] <octoquad> yeah, been really busy the last few months. Glad to be back.
[17:40] <octoquad> Sure i'll add myself now
[17:41] <Kilos> ty
[17:41] <pieter2627> jy't gevra ek moet na die bugSquad kyk, so jou skuld as ek dit te veel geniet :P
[17:41] <Kilos> lol
[17:41] <Kilos> ooops
[17:42] <Kilos> i was thinking of you man, if you can fix bugs for 6 months or so then ubuntu membership should be easy
[17:45] <pieter2627> oh, so what would you say is the best reason to apply for membership?
[17:45] <Kilos> they give you a sjambok
[17:45] <Kilos> then you can rule the roost
[17:47] <pieter2627> really... hope it is covered wit Win logos so that i can show all what a pain in the butt it is
[17:47] <Kilos> there are actually quite a few benefits but imo the stisfaction of being part of such a project is worth lots
[17:47] <Kilos>  pieter2627  /j #ubuntu-bugs
[17:48] <Kilos> oh you can get a certificate signed by mark shuttleworth as well
[17:49] <Kilos> if the post office doesnt steal/lose it
[17:49] <pieter2627> it's the IRC for bugSquad - you think they might be able to help with the paper cuts proj?
[17:50] <Kilos> first get to know the guys and see who does what
[17:50] <Kilos> if that is an ubuntu bug there will be someone
[17:50] <Kilos> i think they allocate bugs
[17:50] <octoquad> pieter2627, it's quite fun, I fixed my first nautilus bug back in Feb, first time fixing a bug ever! :)
[17:51] <octoquad> I don't mind helping to get you started as well
[17:51] <Kilos> cool ty octoquad
[17:52] <pieter2627> octoquad: yea sure (for normal bugs?)
[17:53] <octoquad> what are normal bugs? lol
[17:53] <octoquad> what is your favourite project?
[17:53] <Kilos> lol the easy to fix ones
[17:53] <octoquad> or application that you would like to contribute to?
[17:54] <octoquad> if you don't have any then, easy bugs are normally the best way to start, I think papercuts would be good.
[17:54] <octoquad> Kilos, I thought so
[17:54] <octoquad> :)
[17:55] <pieter2627> normal meaning not a papercut bug (these are annoying easy to fix bugs according to the wiki that are handled by the above mentioned proj)
[17:55] <Kilos> just ask in the bug channel if anyone has been allocated that bug, and offer your services if not
[17:55] <Kilos> or ask them what procedures they follow
[17:55] <octoquad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/GettingInvolved
[17:56] <octoquad> If you not keen for papercuts, then look for triaged bugs, they should have enough information for a developer to work on.
[17:57] <inetpro> mooi!
[17:57] <octoquad> join #ubuntu-bugs and #ubuntu-devel as well
[17:58] <pieter2627> no I'm keen for papercuts (they also seem to be running behind)
[17:58] <octoquad> is it me or is the wiki still so slow after so many months
[17:58]  * pieter2627 is reading the link
[17:59] <octoquad> pieter2627, :)
[17:59] <Kilos> octoquad  pieter2627  maybe you guys can form a team
[18:00] <Kilos> and both apply for membership same time
[18:00] <octoquad> membership for?
[18:00] <Kilos> ubuntru membership
[18:00] <octoquad> ah
[18:00]  * inetpro would love to see as many peeps from #ubuntu-za killing bugs as possible
[18:01] <Kilos> look at the flys nick in your nicks section octoquad
[18:01] <Kilos> did you miss him applying even?
[18:02] <octoquad> ay, look at you guys! well done! :)
[18:02]  * Kilos bows
[18:05] <octoquad> would you like me to re-organize the list by name (a-z)
[18:06] <Kilos> that would be cool ty octoquad
[18:14] <inetpro> no
[18:14] <Kilos> no?
[18:14] <inetpro> why a-z when we did by date?
[18:15] <Kilos> oh sorry pro
[18:15] <Kilos> octoquad  ^^
[18:15] <inetpro> I'm asking?
[18:15] <octoquad> for South African Ubuntu Enthusiast and Community Members
[18:15] <octoquad> ?
[18:15] <inetpro> s/?//
[18:15] <Kilos> i dont mind anyway
[18:16] <Kilos> all i want is everyone there
[18:16] <inetpro> ideally would be nice if we can have a list that can be sorted dynamically
[18:16] <Mopkop> Hello!
[18:16] <Kilos> hi Mopkop
[18:16] <Mopkop> What did I miss?
[18:16] <inetpro> wb Mopkop
[18:16] <Mopkop> I was suppose to do something?
[18:17] <Mopkop> *supposed
[18:17] <Kilos> yes check trello please
[18:17] <inetpro> Mopkop: not just one thing
[18:17] <Kilos> of the site stuff
[18:17] <Kilos> fly gave you something to sort
[18:17] <Mopkop> Ok, let's start at the top.
[18:18] <octoquad> inetpro, I like that idea
[18:18] <kulelu88> ping
[18:20] <octoquad> ok done
[18:20] <inetpro> kulelu88: pong
[18:21] <inetpro> octoquad: you forgot something
[18:22] <kulelu88> time to test my emails.
[18:22] <inetpro> octoquad: your own details
[18:22] <inetpro> oops... it;s there, sorry
[18:22]  * octoquad brings glasses for inetpro
[18:23] <octoquad> :D
[18:24] <kulelu88> octoquad: hello mate, are you new?
[18:24] <kulelu88> you're using neotel, must be new
[18:25] <Kilos> haha
[18:28] <octoquad> lol, no we ditched our metro for neotel fibre
[18:28] <Kilos> kulelu88  go  add you here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members then youll see
[18:29] <Mopkop> Hello octoquad!   And vim gives me headaches.
[18:36] <pieter2627> kulelu88: you in prt?
[18:37] <pieter2627> what is wrong Mopkop?
[18:37] <octoquad> I use sublime-text, but vim for editing on the cli
[18:37] <Mopkop> pieter2627: bzr: ERROR: The file id "conf.py-20141218195836-h3f6lblxqhda911o-1" is not present in the tree <Inventory object at 7f906dd108d0, contents='{}'>
[18:38] <Kilos> arent you in the wrong branch?
[18:38] <Mopkop> hmmm...
[18:38]  * pieter2627 thinks that is way over his head
[18:38]  * Kilos guessing
[18:39] <Mopkop> Kilos: I don't think so?
[18:40] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:40] <Kilos> then where is that file
[18:40] <pieter2627> wait 'conf.py' seems like nikola's conf file
[18:40] <Kilos> octoquad  go see https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[18:40] <Mopkop> pieter2627: Yes, I edited it to put in the menus things.
[18:40] <Kilos> thats what we all busy with
[18:41] <Mopkop> octoquad: sublime-text looks nice. Does it support reStucturedText?
[18:41] <Mopkop> We work with that a lot around here.
[18:42] <pieter2627> Mopkop: from the date behind it I can only guess that a revision instance of it is missing - maybe try update
[18:43] <Mopkop> Hmmm, let's try that.
[18:43] <kulelu88> pieter2627: weirdly, I think there are more Pretorians here than joburgers. This is really a sleepy town
[18:43] <Kilos> lol
[18:45] <pieter2627> kulelu88: haha
[18:45] <Kilos> ptown is growning
[18:45] <Mopkop> Let me just branch all over again...
[18:45] <octoquad> Ta Kilos
[18:46] <Kilos> yw
[18:46] <octoquad> Mopkop, yes, many languages: Also see: www.packagecontrol.io
[18:46] <kulelu88> 1 guy once told me ... An "outing" or "weekend event" in Pretoria involves a braai and some beers. In Joburg, it involves 3 malls, 4 clubs and coming home at 11am
[18:46] <Kilos> lol
[18:46] <octoquad> Mopkop, sorry meant https://packagecontrol.io/
[18:48]  * pieter2627 is now confused as to whether kulelu88 think jhb or prt as a sleepy town
[18:49] <Kilos> jhb
[18:49] <Kilos> i grew up in ptown and we jolled
[18:49] <kulelu88> Where can we find a detailed history of Pretoria? such a fascinating town, but so little to learn/explore
[18:50] <kulelu88> isn't oom Jan there in Church square? :D
[18:50] <Kilos> oom paul
[18:50] <Kilos> oom jan in the cape i think
[18:51] <Mopkop> ugh...
[18:52] <pieter2627> There are a lot of things in prt - interesting fact: the captivated leopards was bred and raised here
[18:52] <Mopkop> Now I get a 'These branches have diverged' error.
[18:52] <kulelu88> the PTA zoo is still kwaai
[18:52] <pieter2627> * first captivated leopards
[18:52] <Kilos> my granny was born in paul krugers house
[18:54] <Mopkop> None of this would have happened if I just read the manual.
[18:54] <Kilos> lol
[18:54] <Mopkop> Kilos: That's interesting.
[18:54] <Kilos> ya my blood runs deep here
[18:54] <Kilos> but too cold for me
[18:55] <octoquad> Kilos, Trello: @octoquad
[18:56] <kulelu88> you can now surf in Pretoria :D
[19:01] <Mopkop> I had to make a whole new branch for it to work :(
[19:01] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:01] <Kilos> octoquad  ive forgotten how
[19:01] <octoquad> hehe
[19:01] <Kilos> patience
[19:01] <octoquad> all good
[19:01] <octoquad> oh I have tons of that
[19:01] <Kilos> wait
[19:01] <Kilos> keep smiling
[19:01] <octoquad> hurry up!
[19:02] <octoquad> jk
[19:02] <Mopkop> Ugh, now the internet is super slow...
[19:02] <Kilos> normally pro does it
[19:02] <Mopkop> Not my day today...
[19:03] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[19:03] <Kilos> now watch he will get here at 11pm and say pong
[19:06] <Kilos> octoquad  there
[19:07] <Kilos> put your pic
[19:10] <octoquad> oh that's not me
[19:11] <octoquad> https://trello.com/octoquad
[19:12] <Kilos> oh my
[19:13] <octoquad> hehe
[19:24] <Kilos> how do i kill the other one
[19:25] <pieter2627> Kilos: click 'show menu' in the top right of the screen if menu is not open...
[19:25] <octoquad> done
[19:25] <pieter2627> ...Click... oh done
[19:25] <octoquad> soz lol
[19:26] <Kilos> yay ty
[19:26] <octoquad> explain to Kilos so he nows for the future
[19:26] <octoquad> knows*
[19:26] <Kilos> nono
[19:26] <Kilos> its the pros job
[19:26] <Kilos> he is having some family time
[19:26] <pieter2627> ... click on the user's photo and select 'Remove from board'
[19:26] <Kilos> wb Mopkop
[19:27] <Kilos> oh i did that but he didnt go
[19:27] <Kilos> thats why i asked how
[19:28] <Mopkop> Internet still forzen. Gonna try something.
[19:28] <Kilos> oh my
[19:29] <Kilos> octoquad  https://ubuntu-za.org/
[19:29] <Kilos> look how hast that is
[19:29] <Kilos> fast
[19:30] <Kilos> our fly rebuilt it
[19:32] <Mopkop> I just don't get it.   I changed the dns server ip, now at least I can get to launchpad.
[19:39] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:41] <Mopkop1> aai...
[19:43] <Kilos> i gotta sleep. night all. sleep tight
[19:44] <octoquad> Night Kilos
[19:47] <pieter2627> night Kilos
[19:51] <Mopkop> Have to restart again. Night all, see you tommorow DV.
[20:06] <pieter2627> night all


[06:53] <mup> PR core18#177 opened: Add rng tools <Created by whardier> <https://github.com/snapcore/core18/pull/177>
[07:36] <dot-tobias> morning all
[07:42] <zyga> good morning
[07:45] <mup> PR snapd#9805 opened: interfaces: add an optional mount-font-cache plug attribute to the desktop interface <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9805>
[07:56] <zyga> jamesh, small comment there
[07:58] <jamesh> zyga: thanks.  This PR won't change behaviour of any existing snap though, so the question is whether any snap would set "mount-font-cache: false" and keep that configuration around.
[07:59]  * zyga should read the diff to understand
[08:01] <zyga> ah
[08:01] <zyga> I see
[08:01] <zyga> yes, if the default is "yes" then my comment is pointless
[08:31] <dot-tobias> Is there a known issue with core18 that prevents refreshes? Snap tasks shows an error at “automatically connect eligible plugs and slots of snap 'core18'”, got this on multiple armhf devices running Core.
[08:33] <dot-tobias> ^ installed is 20200929, refresh to 20201210 rolls back every time. Classic system doesn't have this issue.
[23:27] <masterboy> hi, does anyone know if i can mount a nfs share in ubuntu core 18?
[23:28] <masterboy> i am running ubuntu core 18 in a vm and i need some files to land on the host zfs checksumming drive...
[23:28] <masterboy> what network protocols can ubuntu core mount?
[23:30] <masterboy> lots of questions on askubuntu but no answers..


[09:28] <jjohansen> cking: so there is a fix for the regression posted to the ml, and I have debs in the dir mentioned in the bug
[09:28] <cking> jjohansen, thanks, I'm just working on giving it a test. Thanks for sorting this out so quickly. Much appreciated
[09:29] <jjohansen> heh, its not just you who needed it, its been causing problems for snappy
[09:29] <jjohansen> oops :)
[09:29] <cking> oh fun.
[09:30] <jjohansen> yeah, but it showed up in a way we were thinking it was not a regression but showing up a new bug, ...
[10:08] <cking> jjohansen, it passes the tests, thanks, I've acked the patch
[13:22] <zyga> rtg: I think I just sent that first patch to the mailing list as you instructed
[13:23] <rtg> zyga, I just unmoderated it
[13:23] <zyga> rtg: not sure if I did things correctly
[13:23] <zyga> rtg: thank you for helping me out
[13:24] <rtg> zyga, it needs a Buglink, or at least an indication of what kernel to which it applies.
[13:24] <zyga> rtg: what is the usual way to specify that?
[13:24] <zyga> rtg: it is just an idea, this is not fixing a bug (more like adding a feature and asking for RFC)
[13:26] <rtg> zyga, sforshee is our namespace expert. He is the one that should review the patch, and then maybe you could submit it uptream. He'll know to whom it should be sent.
[13:26] <zyga> rtg: how should I ask sforshee for a review? just on irc here?
[13:27] <rtg> zyga, he'll notice in a bit when he comes online
[13:27] <zyga> rtg: I see, thanks
[13:31] <sforshee> zyga: I'm online already. I just looked at the patch briefly - that's userspace visible, so usually I'd expect that to go upstream first
[13:32] <zyga> sforshee: I'm not a kernel developer so I'm not familiar with the process, I chose to send it here to get feedback and discuss in a friendlier place than LKML
[13:32] <zyga> sforshee: it's not a patch that should be applied yet
[13:33] <zyga> sforshee: I'm working on an userspace problem that got somewhat stuck on being able to reliably detect that a given bind mount is already mounted
[13:34] <sforshee> zyga: I want to look at it some more before I decide what I think about it, but I need to step away for ~30 min. I'll reply on the list later.
[13:34] <zyga> sforshee: thank you
[16:49] <jdstrand> rtg: hi! I noticed https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-signed/4.9.0-16.17 ftbfs. not sure if that was on your radar
[16:51] <rtg> jdstrand, yeah, sometimes it takes awhile for the signed image to get sorted out.
[16:51] <rtg> it is going to be superseded by 4.10 soon anyways
[16:52] <jdstrand> I see
[16:52] <jdstrand> rtg: ok, thanks!
[17:48] <zyga> sforshee: I replied to your reply, I think I understand the problem better now and that my patch can be discarded
[17:49] <zyga> sforshee: if you don't find any holes in my understanding of the topic and the reasoning I presented in the mail I think I can do everything I needed with an unmodified kernel
[17:59] <zyga> jdstrand: enjoy your time off :)
[18:26] <jdstrand> zyga: thanks! :)


[11:00] <mat_cz> hello today!
[11:01] <mat_cz> before i started using lubntu i was playing with galliumos
[11:01] <mat_cz> so i checked livecd galliumos and now i have sound
[11:03] <mat_cz> but after 2 minutes it starts to be corrupted (like after 2 synthesitorzs) and its very quietly
[11:03] <mat_cz> 30 seconds even not 2 minutes
 Thinking of moving to Lubuntu as a daily driver, anything that it just doesn’t do well?  Seems to cover all the bases running in Live Mode?
 @skjones007 [Thinking of moving to Lubuntu as a daily driver, anything that it just doesn’t d …], It works very well for me. I have been using it on my work machine daily since 18.10.
[18:29] <demhackzp> help
[18:29]  * wxl helps
[18:29] <demhackzp> i got an error that seems to break the system
[18:30] <demhackzp> Problem parsing dependency 21 of linux-tools-5.3.0-18:amd64=5.3.0-18.19
[18:30] <wxl> where and how did you get that???
[18:30] <demhackzp> idk
[18:30] <demhackzp> i was installing woeusb
[18:30] <wxl> so it just came up on its own?
[18:31] <wxl> !info woeusb
[18:31] <wxl> !info woeusb focal
[18:31] <wxl> so what is that?
[18:31] <demhackzp> !info woeusb eoan
[18:32] <demhackzp> wait how?
[18:32] <wxl> don't ask me
[18:32] <demhackzp> its from the site itself
[18:32] <wxl> sounds like you need to ask woeusb what they broke
[18:32] <wxl> from woeusb's site?
[18:32] <demhackzp> yes
[18:32] <wxl> then like i said you should talk to them
[18:33] <wxl> ahhh i see webupd8 maintains ubuntu packages
[18:33] <wxl> so yeah that's outside our jurisdiction
[18:33] <dax> there's also a snap of it, which is similarly unofficial
[18:34] <demhackzp> oh okay then