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[00:53] <wojtex> hello guys
[00:54] <wojtex> I have Kubuntu 16.10 and I cannot launch KMail app - akonadi error...
[01:20] <herewegoagain> can anyone tell me why apt is timing out on us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[01:20] <herewegoagain> konversation wont connect either
[01:21] <herewegoagain> I can ping it just fine
[01:23] <herewegoagain> hello?
[01:47] <schnoodles> Is there a way to force my laptop screen to always be the primary monitor and #1? A lot of the time when the system comes back from the display being turned off it turns into the #3 monitor. (I think because it takes longer than the other 2 screens to come back)
[02:48] <user|67371> When I try to boot the liveusb install, it goes to a black screen
[02:48] <user|67371> Should i redownload the iso?
[02:50] <valorie> hmmm, we had bug reports for the beta, but we thought that was fixed
[02:50] <valorie> dang it
[11:26] <mparillo> I only get this in a VM, but others have reported this on real HW: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/1627348
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:03] <vip> Hi, is kscreenshot missing for yakkety?
[14:04] <lordievader> Probably replaced with spectacle
[14:05] <vip> lordievader: thank you
[14:05] <lordievader> No problem
[14:05] <vip> need to change prtscn shortcut then
[15:01] <bubbafat_> Is there a keyboard shortcut for switching back to the default activity?  Meta+Q shows it in the list but I can scroll to it (I can obviously click on it).  Meta+Tab will shift from default to other activities but not to default.  Meta+Shift+Tab won´t change to it either.  Am I missing another option?
[15:03] <bubbafat_> I know I can set an activity-specific shortcut on the activity settings, but I was hoping to just be able to toggle through it like other activities.
[17:53] <powerking> hello
[17:54] <powerking> anybody with asm knowledge?
[17:55] <powerking> hello?
[17:55] <acheronuk> hi :)
[17:55] <acheronuk> !ask
[17:57] <powerking> asm the register eax
[17:57] <powerking> i need see result in terminal
[17:57] <powerking> mov eax, SYS_OPEN
[17:57] <powerking> 			mov ebx, userlistfile
[17:57] <powerking> 			mov ecx, 0x0102
[17:57] <powerking> 			mov edx, 0x0666
[17:57] <powerking> 			mov [result], eax
[17:57] <powerking> i try this
[18:02] <powerking> mmm
[18:02] <powerking> well the ask is, how to print eax register?
[18:05] <acheronuk> powerking: I expect this is not the best channel to ask in
[18:06] <powerking> ok
[19:32] <dhia> hello please i have a probleme with odbc oracle and Qt on kubuntu
[19:33] <dhia> who can help me i ducked it for days but result
[20:14] <user|69008> hi
[20:27] <gstnet> ahh, good to see people here. based on some reddit posts for a moment i thought i might be the last kubunut user
[20:44] <acheronuk> gstnet: nope. you certainly are not :)
[20:50] <SporkWitch> gstnet: not until something better comes around, or it continues its downward spiral to the point that it becomes worse than something else
[20:57] <sintre> lol i just had to tear apart a new notebook to get rid of win ten with a new ssd
[20:57] <sintre> yes got problems with kubuntu , but it works
[20:57] <sintre> thank god
[20:57] <sintre> :)
[20:59] <gstnet> SporkWitch:  I do not see that "downward spiral". I keep upgrading install from 2009 (it is at 16.10 now) and things just seem to work for me.  I do see people suggesting other options adn I keep thinking I should try them, but I cannot find reason good enough. I almost hoped I might be the last user to give me an excuse tro try something else :)
[21:00] <sintre> just delvopment  glitches imo , whith last install bootlaoader didn't work with new lts release
[21:01] <sintre> also some serous issues with dual monitors
[21:01] <sintre> i think most things will get sorted with time
[21:01] <SporkWitch> gstnet: regressions in virtual desktop support, pushing activities (which are buggy as hell and have incredibly poor performance), the downgrade from Muon to Discover for GUI package management (and the fact that Discover is broken unless you install Muon alongside it; it's not by default), breaking the Driver-Wizard (requires apt-xapian, possibly muon as well).
[21:01] <SporkWitch> and these are all issues in 16.04
[21:02] <sintre> i agree ,  on all of it
[21:02] <sintre> had to download multiple "update" managers
[21:02] <SporkWitch> i'm with you, it's been solid progress since around 8.04 when i really started using it instead of gentoo (the only hiccough along the way was when pulseaudio replaced the old back-end, but that was fixed a point release or two later), and it's managed that UNTIL 16.04, which launched VERY broken
[21:02] <sintre> finally after months i don't hall silly grey boxes surrounding my icons
[21:02] <gstnet> SporkWitch:  got it. Good thing I do not use any of the thing you mention.  I do not have use for activities and I am content with apt-get
[21:03] <SporkWitch> probably 15 as well, but i generally only use LTS releases
[21:03] <sintre> yea someone in this chat actually had to give me the instruction in command line to update everything
[21:03] <SporkWitch> gstnet: no one uses activities, they're rubbish, that's the reason for the deliberate regression on virtual desktop support, to try to force people to use activities
[21:03] <SporkWitch> (no joke, that is the official reason)
[21:03] <sintre> had like 260 ackages needing upgraded from clean isntal of last lts release
[21:04] <sintre> think we might need to rethink keeping that as the lts release lol
[21:04] <sintre> that was last week lol
[21:04] <SporkWitch> sintre: yeah, just did a fresh install on one of my machines as well; always loads of fun tracking everything down
[21:05] <SporkWitch> looks like the plymouth + nvidia conflicts have gotten worse, too; used to be nomodeset was enough to get it to boot, no i need to do nosplash entirely
[21:05] <SporkWitch> (only really an issue if you use LUKS for FDE)
[21:05] <sintre> although the whole set of intel drivers finally made my "extended" dessktop connect via hdmi work at it native resolution , still no fix for being able to clone at the native resolution though
[21:06] <sintre> absolutely no support for projecting screen to a smart tv or a newer blu ray player
[21:06] <sintre> :(
[21:06] <SporkWitch> y'know, would actually be pretty cool to have "all" as an option for which screen a window is displayed on; there's generally no good reason, other than performance, to mirror instead of extend.  if you need something on both screens, just display it on both screens, y'know?
[21:07] <SporkWitch> and by "projecting screen" do you mean e.g. chromecast?
[21:07] <sintre> i agree, but they gotta er make the goofy thing work hehe
[21:07] <SporkWitch> that's an issue on pretty much all devices that aren't google
[21:07] <sintre> broadcaste via wifi
[21:07] <sintre> via wifi card to tv or smart tv
[21:08] <SporkWitch> nothing anywhere supports wifi-direct, and if it does, it's flaky as all hell lol
[21:08] <SporkWitch> i've never gotten anything that claims to support it to work reliably
[21:08] <SporkWitch> better to just shell out for a chromecast (and a lot of newer tvs have integrated chromecast support)
[21:08] <gstnet> chomecast works fine here.. pc to smart-tv, but again, it is somethign i do not really have much use for.
[21:08] <sintre> that a usb dogle thingy
[21:09] <SporkWitch> chromecast works from chrome; arbitrary file / screen sharing with it is mixed
[21:09] <SporkWitch> and usually requires a plugin of some sort
[21:10] <SporkWitch> and yes, chromecast is a dongle, though like i said, some smarttvs now, especially the newer ones, have integrated chromecast support
[21:10] <sintre> yea , i can hope one day , in mean time would nice for clone feature to work given i have a 10 foot hdmi cable with no use for atm
[21:10] <SporkWitch> sintre: i'm 99% sure that's user error
[21:10] <sintre> certainly as you said not a needd feature
[21:10] <SporkWitch> sintre: AFAIK you just have to drag the displays on top of each other in the display settings, and that mirrors instead of extends
[21:11] <sintre> really?, maybe you not trying to be offensive
[21:11] <SporkWitch> (thanks for reminding me, btw, those are some more regressions: settings and UI are MUCH worse than they used to be, especially locale settings, which no longer allow for granular control of formats, instead you have COUNTRY DROP-DOWNS with hundreds of entries)
[21:11] <SporkWitch> sintre: again, pretty sure dragging the displays on top of each other does mirroring; saw someone in this very channel mention it in the past 48 hours
[21:12] <SporkWitch> so yes, user error :)
[21:12] <sintre> lets see , if it works give me fice minutes and i'll confirm if user error
[21:12] <sintre> gotta get hdmi cable again
[21:12] <SporkWitch> np; i'd test on my side, but i don't want to fuck up my own display settings lol
[21:12] <ahoneybun> !language
[21:13] <SporkWitch> cool, i'm already in compliance
[21:13] <SporkWitch> head back to tumblr and your safe spaces
[21:14] <ahoneybun> SporkWitch: I'm refering to the f*ck
[21:14] <sintre> na if this doesn't work i'll need play doe thearapy
[21:16] <SporkWitch> oh, so obscuring the word that your average 3rd grader already knows with a single layer makes it ok?
[21:16] <SporkWitch> sintre: not you, the one that is bothered by a single "fuck" not directed at anyone, but apparently thinks "f*ck" makes a difference
[21:17] <sintre> lol ok just booted to my tv , it mirros but hides my icons
[21:17] <ahoneybun> SporkWitch: simply watch the language please
[21:17] <sintre> automaticly , guess last update helped it auto correct somehow
[21:17] <SporkWitch> i will continue to make sure that my fucks are not directed at anyone
[21:18] <ahoneybun> stop it please
[21:18] <SporkWitch> sorry, f*cks
[21:18] <sintre> ok yea no fights with moderator whiele i had a tv crisis now
[21:18] <SporkWitch> (since that apparently makes a difference)
[21:18] <ahoneybun> mm
[21:18] <sintre> brb gonna go dig into settings again :)
[21:18] <ahoneybun> I'd rather avoid the whole word
[21:18] <SporkWitch> and i'd rather people act their age
[21:20] <Unit193> SporkWitch: The channel rules generally have a no cussing rule, it's pretty standard to follow rules for whereever you are.  You are free to curse in other channels, just please not here.
[21:20] <valorie> the channel rules are for the Ubuntu community as a whole
[21:21] <valorie> not special for here, and none of us is prudish
[21:21] <valorie> !coc
[21:22] <sintre> hmm odd it mirrors and i got some bezare / extended mirror display
[21:22] <sintre> gonna try to change primary display to lappy  as it says only hmdi ' tv' is there
[21:23] <sintre> see if that mirror thing works , probally is tv higher resolution than notebook
[21:23] <sintre> then its mirrors at lower resolution
[21:23] <sintre> which looks like err garbage? :)
[21:23] <ahoneybun> thanks Unit193
[21:24] <SporkWitch> amusingly, there's no mention of profanity, excessive or otherwise, in the linked policies
[21:25] <SporkWitch> and all of these tears because of a single fsck that wasn't directed at anyone, that only became an issue because of people whinging
[21:25] <sintre> ok lol hdmi was hiding ontop of notbook screenn < user error there
[21:25] <ahoneybun> SporkWitch: we'd like to avoid cussing all together
[21:25] <sintre> so how do i for it to mirror again pls
[21:25] <SporkWitch> you might want to update your policies then, rather than pointing at them and they don't make any mention of it
[21:26] <SporkWitch> rofl
[21:26] <Unit193> SporkWitch: You got a link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService when you joined.  To discuss further, please join #ubuntu-ops.
[21:27]  * genii makes sure Unit193 and ahoneybun get fresh coffees
[21:27] <SporkWitch> yes, those would be the policies that make no mention of profanity; which i admit is rather surprising.  most make a point of mentioning at least EXCESSIVE profanity
[21:28] <ahoneybun> SporkWitch: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[21:28] <ahoneybun> final warning
[21:28] <SporkWitch> yes, i've read it, it makes no mention.  So what about "fanny?"  "buggered?"  Is it only american english naughty words?
[21:29] <ahoneybun> This means that you should avoid any language which may be considered offensive, including acronyms and obfuscation of such language.
[21:29] <[Relic]> Is there some way of stopping 16.10 task manager from sorting windows alphabetically when set to "do not sort"?
[21:29] <ahoneybun> which means that the word you used is covered
[21:29] <ahoneybun> either way
[21:30] <acheronuk> Language and Subject
[21:30] <acheronuk>     All Ubuntu IRC channels are visited by people whose ages vary, and whose tolerances of language and subject choice vary equally as much. Please be considerate of everyone and keep all the Ubuntu IRC channels friendly places for everyone. This means that you should avoid any language which may be considered offensive, including acronyms and obfuscation of such language. Support channels are usually very busy places, and we prefer them
[21:30] <acheronuk> strictly for support only.
[21:30] <SporkWitch> oh i see, well i'm offended by you addressing me improperly.  You should be referring to me as "i make mountains of molehills"; your misgendering and improper pronoun use is highly offensive.
[21:32] <sintre> WHOOT it fkin worked
[21:32] <sintre> ohh sh** trouble now
[21:32] <sintre> :)
[21:32] <sintre> thx for the tip had to hit the good apply button
[21:32]  * SporkWitch waits for it
[21:32] <sintre> mirrored with tv at its native resolution :)
[21:33] <SporkWitch> sintre: told ya :)
[21:33] <sintre> hehe happy dance happy dance
[21:33] <SporkWitch> sintre: and you doubted me :P
[21:33]  * SporkWitch hands out the hypocrisy signs, since the profanity a moment ago was ignored
[21:33] <sintre> hehe well i had to do a little more trial by eror but i learn with guidance
[21:33] <sintre> :)
[21:33] <sintre> now let me see if sound works
[21:34] <SporkWitch> oh, good luck on that one; i can't even get sound via hdmi to work reliably in windows, lol
[21:35] <ahoneybun> sintre: !language
[21:35] <ahoneybun> !language
[21:36] <sintre> seems , still conclict with reoslutions
[21:36] <sintre> as will cuto taske bars and icon when tv main hmm
[21:36] <sintre> well one step closer
[21:37] <SporkWitch|2> lol
[21:38] <SporkWitch|2> sintre: **** ******* ** *****
[21:39] <sintre> well can do a mirror but tv will default
[21:39] <ahoneybun> well then Unit193
[21:39] <sintre> probally seems different reoslutions now
[21:40] <sintre> are the problem
[21:40] <sintre> so only way to do a full mirror is to turn prohection resolution to match lapytop
[21:41] <sintre> then get blurry picutre
[21:41] <sintre> well another step closer
[21:42] <SporkWitch|2> let that be a lesson, sintre, never point out hypocrisy by professional victims offended by everything
[21:42] <SporkWitch|2> and yeah, i'm not aware of any solutions that allow you to do mirroring at different resolutions
[21:43] <SporkWitch|2> you'd need to extend the display instead, and use a program that lets you do a separate window; i believe libreoffice will do that for its powerpoint equivalent; can have your notes and such on one screen, while the presentation is full screen on the other display
[21:44] <sintre> there is a scaling feasture , but that doesn't increase res hehe
[21:44] <sintre> make it look like flinstones
[21:44] <sintre> :)
[21:46] <sintre> I think the mod is trying t keep the channel pg , but those pg kids have fouler mouths then we could hope for  :)
[21:47] <ahoneybun> those are the rules, simple
[21:47] <SporkWitch|2> it's more that they're the only one that noticed or cared, and whinging about a one-off not directed at anyone drew more attention than the allegedly offending action itself; then there's simply the principle of "might cause offense" which is an absurd standard to begin with.  I'm offended by how overly sensitive these children are, you don't see me calling for them  to be silenced.
[21:48] <SporkWitch|2> also noteworthy that i, the terrible, terrible curse-word user, am the only one who actually made a positive contribution in the past 15 minutes lol
[21:48] <sintre> yes you did
[21:49] <SporkWitch|2> glad i was right and you got it working, by the way :)
[21:49] <sintre> and we need more active people talking in here many times i've logged on into this channel and hours go by without anybody talking hmm wonder why  :P
[21:49] <SporkWitch|2> and i mean it when i say good luck on sound; sound via hdmi on computers has always been hell, in my experience.  Even worse on desktop, since they usually require an extra audio cable connected to the GPU itself
[21:49] <sintre> hell is bad word too be careful :)
[21:49] <SporkWitch|2> oh no, i said hell; the christians might cry...
[21:52] <sintre> enough fun with that for tonight , gotta recharge lappy battery
[21:53] <SporkWitch|2> hehe
[21:53] <sintre> this suxourz my fride is fully with thanksgiving stuff , no room to store beer to chill
[21:55] <SporkWitch|2> well, depending on region, could just set it outside lol
[21:55] <SporkWitch|2> at least you've got beer; i'm tapped out until my VA check comes in next week
[21:55] <sintre> central florida unfurtately
[21:55] <sintre> although cold snap over weekend , not cold enough
[21:57] <sintre> reminds me i gotta test the heat longer than 3 hours , this weekend
[21:57] <sintre> around here people start turning it on and alot don't come on can take days for ac/heat guy to get to fixing it
[21:59] <SporkWitch|2> i lived in georgia at one point, i get you; get even a cm of snow though and everyone loses their minds lol
[22:00] <sintre> alright next new lappy challenge is , how to enablge full dis encyption for my ssd inside of kubuntu
[22:00] <sintre> disc
[22:00] <sintre> this one is gonna be a doozey
[22:02] <SporkWitch|2> enabling it AFTER install is a lot harder than DURING
[22:02] <SporkWitch|2> honestly, it'd probably be easiest to just back up your files and nuke it, choose the FDE option during install
[22:03] <sintre> nothin import transfered to it yet
[22:03] <sintre> so that install option will use the encyption feature of the ssd?
[22:03] <SporkWitch|2> that would be my advice, then; reinstall and choose the "use full disk and set up encrypted LVM" option during the install
[22:04] <SporkWitch|2> if you have a yubikey or similar token, you can even set it up to use challenge-response with it to secure the keys
[22:04] <sintre> http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/ct250mx200ssd1
[22:05] <sintre> is my drive , older but works better than the crap 5400 rps thing dell sent with notebook
[22:05] <sintre> no clue what yubikey is
[22:08] <SporkWitch|2> hardware token with a secure element on it; can store pgp keys, x509 keys, OATH secrets, as well as two configurable slots that can be programmed for static passphrase, yubico's proprietary OTP system (notes to follow), or HMAC-SHA1 challenge-response.
[22:08] <SporkWitch|2> it also functions as a u2f device
[22:09] <SporkWitch|2> re: the yubico OTP feature, the big advantage with it is that the secrets are never exposed, assuming you don't modify that slot; the secrets are pre-loaded during manufacturing, and so it's only ever on their systems, and your key, it never goes over a network, arguably making it more secure than other OATH applications, which by necessity must transmit the secret to you over the network.
[22:10] <SporkWitch|2> in this case, the key is neve exposed except when they're loading it into their server and your key (since, in theory, it's physically impossible to extract secrets from a secure element; there are some attacks to defeat this, but they're pretty nuts, to the point of being largely academic)
[22:11] <sintre> well i think mine is 5 gen 13 from intel
[22:11] <sintre> not sure if it has that feature
[22:11] <sintre> and if it does probally locked by dell anyways
[22:11] <sintre> poked around in bios no option for a hdd password of any wort
[22:11] <sintre> sort
[22:15] <SporkWitch|2> nonono, sorry, i'm talking about using LUKS for it.  i suppose you could argue that it's not "true" FDE, since you need to have a single, small unencrypted portion for the software needed to unlock the LUKS LVM, but yeah, typically when we're talking about FDE on linux, we're talking about LVM with LUKS.  The Kubuntu graphical installer includes an option to automatically configure an encrypted
[22:16] <SporkWitch|2> LVM when it asks you what drive you want to install on, or if you'd like to partition manually.  NOTE: there IS a bug in the installer (has been for years) that fails HARD if you try to do encrypted LVM with manual partitioning; best to be able to have it do a whole drive, and add any other drives you want AFTER install.
[22:16] <sintre> well when i use the lts release the boot loader didn't install correctly
[22:17] <SporkWitch|2> weird...
[22:17] <sintre> to get kubuntu to work i actually installed original ubuntu and that dual booted system , so kind scared to use the kubuuntu installed to set a hdd pass
[22:17] <SporkWitch|2> back in a few, happy to try to help you toubleshoot when i get back
[22:18] <sintre> np , c ya in a bit
[22:26] <SporkWitch|2> back
[22:28] <sintre> wb
[22:28] <sintre> just surfing amazon for some xmas presents
[22:28] <sintre> forgot its freak like 1 month away lol
[22:28] <sintre> good news only gotta get 4 people something
[22:29] <SporkWitch|2> yay?
[22:29] <sintre> yea no kids here so 15-20 bucks each
[22:30] <sintre> why'd you ban sport wiitch
[22:30] <sintre> :(
[22:31] <sintre> well i hope they don't keep baning/kicking you
[22:31] <SporkWitch|2> this really is getting quite tedious, but hey, why contribute usefully when we can defend tumblr
[22:31] <sintre> boring chennl without anybody to talk to
[22:31] <valorie> could you take this to off-topic please?
[22:32] <SporkWitch|2> what? you mean the on-topic troubleshooting sintre's issues? lol
[22:32] <valorie> very disappointing conversation
[22:32] <valorie> not the actual support, which is fine
[22:32] <Unit193> SporkWitch|2: Or just discuss with them like said, in #ubuntu-ops.
[22:32] <valorie> but the adolescent "rules are made for other people" attitude
[22:33] <valorie> when just yesterday you were helpful
[22:33] <sintre> he was helpful for me today
[22:33] <SporkWitch|2> i'm regularly helpful, i just have low tolerance for hypocrisy and people offended by existence
[22:33] <SporkWitch|2> and i think the logs speak quite clearly to the fact that of the 4 people talking in the past hour, i'm the only on that's been helpful lol
[22:34] <SporkWitch|2> granted not exclusively helpful, but the only one being helpful lol
[22:34] <mm_> aaa
[22:34] <SporkWitch|2> as i was saying, sintre, i'm back, so what seems to be the trouble getting FDE working?
[22:34] <sintre> its the bootloader  installed from kubuntu lts i used
[22:35] <SporkWitch|2> what about it?
[22:35] <sintre> for some reason would not reconise it the eiu type thing
[22:35] <sintre> regular ubuntu install
[22:35] <sintre> overwrode bootloader and installed it probperly some how for dual boot
[22:36] <sintre> thats how i can use kubuntu on new pc
[22:36] <sintre> defaults to kubuntu
[22:36] <sintre> but can catch it and boot to regular unbuntu if i want
[22:36] <sintre> so not sure if its the lts release that the problem lies
[22:36] <SporkWitch|2> odd; i didn't think ubuntu was using anything different; was this the first attempt you made at a fix? is it possible something just went wrong during that initial install?
[22:37] <sintre> tried twice same usb stick
[22:37] <valorie> did you do a grub update?
[22:37] <SporkWitch|2> doubt the stick affected it, though i've historically had poor luck with bootable usbs
[22:37] <sintre> so it installs but for some reason my bios doesn't see the bootloader it put on the hdd
[22:38] <SporkWitch|2> silly question, but if you have multiple hard drives, is your bios looking at the right drive?
[22:38] <sintre> no didn't update anything just used the kubuntu iso for lts
[22:38] <sintre> then used unetbootin
[22:38] <sintre> then it installed fine to hdd
[22:38] <valorie> there is an old bug which bit me once where grub was installed on the *stick* rather than the HD
[22:38] <sintre> then wouldn't boot
[22:38] <SporkWitch|2> shouldn't need to do anything with unetbootin...
[22:38] <SporkWitch|2> (unless i'm being silly and that's the GUI installer application, lol)
[22:39] <sintre> yea its the make a bootable iso image for dummies linux thing hehe
[22:40] <sintre> yea thats weird valorie though why on earth did it go thru whole install then forget to isntall the loader lol
[22:40] <valorie> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/en/man8/update-grub.8.html has quite an indepth discussion
[22:40] <SporkWitch|2> is that actually a bug, or is it just confusing? both USB devices and sata drives get sdX designations, after all
[22:41] <valorie> well, it took me awhile to figure out because if I left in the usb, everything was fine
[22:41] <SporkWitch|2> i could totally see accidentally telling it to install the bootloader on the usb drive lol
[22:41] <valorie> once it was removed, no boot
[22:41] <valorie> but it's a heisenbug
[22:41] <valorie> seemingly happens randomly
[22:42] <sintre> well i used latest ubuntu which is new then the kubuntu lts , think that may have had something to do with it?
[22:42] <sintre> or was it forced to do a dual install then that made it install one properly
[22:42] <SporkWitch|2> that fits with my hypothesis that it's the naming; there's no guarantee that sda will be the same device from boot to boot; hence the change in naming schemes for things like network adapters
[22:43] <SporkWitch|2> sintre: don't know what to say other than to try it again and take notes, heh; that seems a VERY odd bug, one that i've never encountered before, but i use DVDs rather than USB for my install media, so that may be a factor
[22:44] <SporkWitch|2> sintre: the 16.04.1 image from a couple days ago works fine when burned to DVD, i can confirm.
[22:44] <SporkWitch|2> (and by fine i mean, "it installs correctly, but it still has lots of missing things that break stuff, as was mentioned earlier")
[22:45] <sintre> got only a few spare dvds , but something else happpend connected
[22:45] <SporkWitch|2> nice thing about optical media is that it's CHEAP
[22:45] <sintre> i wanted to flash the firmare of my sdd in new lappy
[22:45] <sintre> did the whole make usb iso thing
[22:45] <SporkWitch|2> on your own there; i've not messed with SSDs at all; they were too costly at the time of my last build, and i've been broken since i separated from the military lol
[22:45] <sintre> didn'tr reconise it
[22:46] <SporkWitch|2> s/broken/broke/
[22:46] <sintre> burned my last blank Dvd booted and updadted fine
[22:47] <sintre> na something with this new boot reconising thing in bios might have something to do with it
[22:47] <sintre> forgot the acronym
[22:48] <SporkWitch|2> UEFI secure boot?
[22:48] <sintre> yea
[22:48] <valorie> !efi
[22:48] <SporkWitch|2> that might explain it; ubuntu's is signed; i dont think the one on the kubuntu installer is
[22:48] <valorie> imo that has gotten better and better
[22:48] <valorie> by which I mean ubuntu dealing with it
[22:48] <sintre> yes yes lets get this one fixed!
[22:49] <SporkWitch|2> well, UEFI didn't exactly have much of anyplace to go BUT up
[22:49] <valorie> SporkWitch|2: that might have been true for awhile, but I believe that to be long fixed
[22:49] <SporkWitch|2> dunno, the only EFI device i have is my chromebook lol
[22:49] <sintre> valorie> 10 tries it aint fixed for me and my machine
[22:49] <ahoneybun> it's worked fine on my laptop with no issues
[22:49] <sintre> lappy is brand new
[22:49] <SporkWitch|2> sintre: it's not a matter of tries; Secure Boot uses asymmetric encryption to verify the integrity of the bootloader; if ti's not signed by a trusted key, it won't boot
[22:50] <sintre> yes this is a 8 year old laptop i'm typing it install fine here
[22:50] <sintre> new laptop purchased 1 month ago iw won't boot
[22:51] <SporkWitch|2> sintre: the EASIEST fix is to just disable secure boot (often called "legacy boot" in the settings) so that you can load unsigned bootloaders; this has a security cost, as you are no longer protected from malware rewriting the bootloader
[22:51] <sintre> so don't want to fight , but if its a bug that can be fixed well i'd hope we try to get word out about it
[22:51] <sintre> if they can fix it in ubuntu why they hell can't they use that bootloader in kubuntu iso's?
[22:51] <sintre> <sry christians
[22:52] <ahoneybun> UEFI works fine here
[22:52] <valorie> this isn't about christians, the rules for the chan say keep it family friendly
[22:52] <ahoneybun> you just need to make a EFI partition, install the bootloader to that partition
[22:52] <SporkWitch|2> try setting the new one to legacy boot and see what happens; if it works, then that means the bootloader isn't signed and/or the correct key isn't trusted by your machine (it SHOULD be possible to install the pubkey, but again, easier to just turn off secure boot)
[22:52] <valorie> no problem with uefi here either, and this machine is recent
[22:53] <valorie> Sysinfo for 'valorie-GT60-2PC': Running inside KDE Plasma 5 on Ubuntu 16.10 (Yakkety Yak) powered by Linux 4.8.0-27-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4810MQ CPU @ 2.80GHz at 1899-1900/3800 MHz, RAM: 23811/24029 MB, Storage: 319/967 GB, 354 procs, 25.72h up
[22:53] <SporkWitch|2> no mention of family, either
[22:53] <sintre> my machine runs FINE , this whole convo is about the INSTALL
[22:53] <sintre> which only would be reconised after ubuntu newest version was installed dually and it placed the correct bootloader
[22:54] <SporkWitch|2> sintre: well then it didn't run fine, because one bootloader is working but not the other, hence my suspicion that you have secure boot on, one is signed, and the other isn't.
[22:54] <Unit193> ahoneybun: Kubuntu sets GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR which would make grub use different rules since it'd check for 'Ubuntu' there, and fallback when 'Kubuntu' was set.  That's been long fixed though.
[22:54] <sintre> not as tech savy as you guys but i know what i did and didn't do what worked and din't
[22:55] <sintre> spork> i agree it didn't work fine but it somehow boots and works , only solution that i could do
[22:55] <sintre> and no i don't have any real plans for original ubuntu
[22:56] <SporkWitch|2> dunno what to tell you mate, you're not really giving me anything else to work with, and you don't seem willing to work with me to figure it out.
[22:56] <sintre> so , the pc is clean so i can still trobule shoot it , no data loss or anything
[22:56] <sintre> well starting clean , boot and install from usb
[22:56] <sintre> same problem won't boot from hdd after install
[22:57] <sintre> or do i need to change settings before install?
[22:57] <sintre> really where to begin if this problem is consistent
[22:57] <SporkWitch|2> disable secure boot / set it to legacy boot, then see if it boots
[22:58] <sintre> that doesn't seem to explain how the other bootloader works
[22:58] <SporkWitch|2> A is signed, B is not.  Secure boot is on.  A boots, B does not.
[22:59] <SporkWitch|2> my hypothesis is that the ubuntu one is signed by a key in the trust store; the kubuntu one may not be signed, or if it is, may not be signed by a key in the trust store.
[22:59] <SporkWitch|2> if switching to legacy boot works, that would preliminarily confirm my hypotheiss
[22:59] <SporkWitch|2> *hypothesis
[23:00] <sintre> yea gonna keep it in my tomorrow , gotta dig out flash drives and some dvds
[23:00] <sintre> btw you called me mate i assume australian or english
[23:01] <sintre> tomorrow is turkey day her ein america , so gotta survive that before this new challenge :)
[23:01] <SporkWitch|2> american, but with a decade or so on EVE Online and a few years in europe
[23:01] <SporkWitch|2> lol
[23:01] <sintre> lol ok
[23:01] <sintre> yea tomorrow night or friday i'll take this project on, i'm curious too
[23:01] <sintre> makes no sense , but gotta be a reason somewhere
[23:01] <SporkWitch|2> feel free to ping sporkwitch, i'll be happy to help
[23:02]  * SporkWitch|2 hopes he fixed the settings on his bouncer to properly deliver PMs received while not connected...
[23:02] <sintre> will do ,
[23:38] <plaked> does anyone know how can i run a program in background?
[23:39] <ikonia> suffix of &
[23:39] <plaked> i mean i want to run spotify, whatsie and thunderbird in background
[23:39] <ikonia> eg: xterm &
[23:39] <plaked> i did spotify &
[23:39] <plaked> but it still appear in my main bar
[23:40] <ikonia> why would you expect it not to ?
[23:40] <sintre> so you wan tthem running but not taking up space in you lil task bar?
[23:40] <plaked> yes
[23:40] <plaked> right
[23:40] <sintre> i think you can do on eof those hidden lil widet task bars
[23:40] <sintre> and park it there
[23:40] <sintre> and it pops off screen until you move your cursour over to edge
[23:41] <sintre> that aybe be just with launch icons , not sure about runing progs tough
[23:41] <sintre> though
[23:41] <plaked> ok let me try
[23:42] <plaked> and another qustion
[23:42] <plaked> when i go outlook it says
[23:42] <plaked> DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN
[23:43] <sintre> beyond my knowledge , sure someone else here will come around with more experience here soon
[23:43] <sintre> seem like a quiet bunch but they're lurking :)
[23:43] <plaked> hahaha
[23:44] <ikonia> plaked: what do you mean "go to outlook" do you mean the office 365 website ?
[23:44] <plaked> yep
[23:44] <ikonia> where are you seeing that error
[23:44] <plaked> outlook.live.com
[23:44] <plaked> or
[23:44] <ikonia> in the browser ?
[23:44] <plaked> hotmail.com
[23:44] <plaked> yep
[23:44] <plaked> i use chromium
[23:44] <plaked> but it happen to me with several browsers
[23:45] <plaked> as rekonq
[23:45] <plaked> and another with a bear
[23:45] <plaked> polar bar
[23:45] <plaked> bear
[23:45] <ikonia> it looks like dns is not working properly on your host
[23:45] <sintre> ok i tried the new panel plus , auto hide in my system
[23:46] <sintre> i can't get active windows over there either , still looking for settings
[23:46] <plaked> :S
[23:50] <sintre> i wouldn't lose hope i'm sure it can b done somehow , just browsing thru windows manager settings alot of stuff is there
[23:50] <sintre> need somebody a lil bit more familiar with kde than me
[23:50] <sintre> i'd like to know how as well
[23:52] <sintre> this is a way but it'll take your main task bar away kinda
[23:53] <sintre> right click on bottom bar then panale options then auto hide
[23:53] <sintre> panael
[23:53] <sintre> panel bla sry
[23:54] <sintre> but no idea how to get programs to go into other panels that auto hide


[00:04] <morganu> because I already fixed it and down understand even what that state of 'having the window paraphernalia vanish is' called.
[00:55] <chen> ni
[01:20] <Kel> we are the knights who say
[01:20] <rifle> ni
[01:38] <bobdobbs> niiiiiiiiii
[02:14] <k_sze> While apt updating cloud-init in Ubuntu in WSL2, I got this message at the end: "invoke-rc.d: could not determine current runlevel"
[02:15] <k_sze> Should I be concerned?
[02:17] <Bashing-om> k_sze: We here do not generaly know a lot of WSL - if no response here - might ask >>
[02:18] <Bashing-om> !wsl | k_sze
[02:18] <k_sze> Oh, so there's a #ubuntu-on-windows channel. nice
[02:18] <k_sze> thanks
[02:19] <Bashing-om> k_sze: Not to say one here will not know :)
[02:19] <k_sze> :)
[03:27] <Ginalo> Hi. I figured out how to stitch flat images using Hugin for my long screenshot needs. Now, I need a screenshot tool that takes an area in the screen, saves it in memory, and takes a screenshot of that screen area on demand.
[03:27] <Ginalo> Does anyone know of such tool?
[04:46] <silverstone> Hi. After upgrading to hirsute, my docking stations is behaving weirdly at boot. USB keyboard not recognized and no display output (DVI). BIOS screen outputs correctly on docked DVI output, grub menu as well as post-LUKS password prompt outputs correctly on external display. But at LUKS password prompt, all I see is black screen and keyboard is not reacting at all (no numlock "ON" light). Any idea what is going on? Laptop is an old Lenovo X230 if
[04:46] <silverstone> that helps. Was working well with the previous release of Ubuntu ...
[05:50] <tsujp> friends I have somehow borked my package install? I cannot do apt upgrade, or apt install anything because amdgpu and amdgpu-dkms return errors `sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned error code (1)`
[05:50] <tsujp> what can I do to fix this?
[06:01] <alkisg> tsujp: run `sudo apt full-upgrade` or `sudo dpkg --configure -a`, and put the WHOLE output to pastebin
[06:01] <alkisg> !paste
[06:09] <tsujp> gonna try something quickly, brb need to reboot
[06:17] <tsujp> alkisg okay i managed to uninstall by using `amdgpu-uninstall` which gets things working
[06:17] <tsujp> so I did that and then clean and autoremove and I can install stuff a-okay
[06:18] <tsujp> I cannot now _install_ with `amdgpu-install`, here's the logs
[06:18] <tsujp> http://ix.io/3AnI
[06:19] <alkisg> That's a typical "cannot build in new kernels" failure, it looks like they don't support kernel 5.11 yet
[06:20] <alkisg> > Consult /var/lib/dkms/amdgpu/<IP_ADDRESS>-1098277/build/make.log for more information.
[06:20] <alkisg> You can google the errors that you'll see inside that file
[06:20] <alkisg> I'm not using amdgpu, but I think there are open source drivers for it, aren't there?
[06:21] <tsujp> weird because I installed linux-kernel-generic isn't that meant to be 5.4 and not 5.11?
[06:21] <alkisg> In any case if you can't compile the drivers you want, you may install linux-generic (instead of the -hwe you have now) and go to 5.4 kernel, it'll probably work there
[06:21] <alkisg> It's possible that you have both
[06:21] <alkisg> dpkg -l | grep linux | nc termbin.com 9999
[06:21] <alkisg> Upload that one ^
[06:21] <tsujp> https://termbin.com/bmey
[06:22] <alkisg> Yes, you have both. You may reboot, and in the grub menu, select advanced options > 5.4 kernel
[06:23] <alkisg> Then `uname -r` will say 5.4, and you'll be able to compile/use the drivers, and if you want, to remove 5.11 from there as well
[06:23] <tsujp> okay, my machine goes straight to boot though how do I get to the grub menu...?
[06:23] <alkisg> Hold down the left shift key
[06:23] <tsujp> I could just remove 5.11 now and it'd use 5.4 anyway right?
[06:23] <alkisg> I'm not sure if apt will allow you to remove the running kernel
[06:23] <tsujp> true
[06:23] <tsujp> ok ill give this a shot now
[06:23] <tsujp> brb again
[06:24] <alkisg> There's also grub-set-default if shift fails
[06:26] <tsujp> so I rebooted and tried holding and spamming left shift but I never got the grub menu
[06:26] <tsujp> it just boots straight to gdm
[06:26] <tsujp> if I go into the bios for this laptop the only options are `ubuntu` and old partition entries like fedora or windows which aren't installed
[06:31] <tsujp> ill try with Esc and use the laptop keyboard directly instead of my USB keyboard
[06:31] <tsujp> but pressing enter on usb is enough to get into the bios so idk why it wouldn't work
[06:32] <alkisg> You may use `grub-set-default` to set the next boot default option
[06:33] <alkisg> And there's also a grub option to always show the grub menu
[06:38] <Antony39> hi
[06:38] <Antony39> I believe my Ubuntu server has been hacked.
[06:39] <Antony39> weird things happen on the server,  I am running out of storage,  my apache webserver goes offline and some other webserver goes online
[06:39] <Antony39> and "nmap" reveals a lot of open ports!
[06:39] <Antony39> What course of action is suggested to be taken in such cases?
[06:40] <Antony39> I also need a full snapshot of the server for legal purposes, to prove what was going on in case somebody sues me for anything illegal that might have occured.
[06:42] <Znevna> call your system administrator
[06:43] <Antony39> Znevna, it's a root server... I am the one in charge
[06:43] <tsujp> turn off the machine and boot into your rescue system
[06:43] <tsujp> if the attack is happening _now_ or you think it is and you dont know what to do, prevent access to the machine
[06:43] <tsujp> but turning it off
[06:43] <tsujp> by*
[06:44] <Antony39> tsujp, I think it's happening now.  I can still access the server.  But there are hundreds of open ports
[06:44] <Antony39> and Apache (the webserver) is gone again, and some other server is listening on port 80
[06:44] <Antony39> also there seem to be a lot of dubious services running by what "nmap" shows
[06:44] <Antony39> I am scared to death that something highly illegal is going on there
[06:44] <Antony39> I don't know how to boot into a rescue system
[06:45] <Antony39> I ran an iptables command in an attempt to block ALL ports except a few that I need myself - but it did NOT do anything
[06:45] <Antony39> there was no error when I ran the iptables command - but all ports are still open
[06:46] <Antony39> as if iptables just fully ignored me
[06:47] <tsujp> idk my guy im at work rn so not really in a position to pay attention and help
[06:47] <tsujp> sounds like your best course of action right now is to turn off the machine
[06:47] <tsujp> and hire someone to inspect it if you think you're being attacked
[06:47] <Antony39> ok
[06:47] <tsujp> since you don't know what you're doing here
[06:47] <Antony39> yep.  true that
[06:47] <Antony39> thank you!
[06:48] <tsujp> you can then learn what they did for the future too
[06:48] <tsujp> good luck!
[06:48] <Antony39> Thank you, tsujp
[07:17] <Daulity> ogra: so I am confused :) if apt update should regenerate the list then why does it still try to get old ones :)
[07:20] <Daulity> I tried different repositories and it works
[07:21] <Daulity> my guess is that apt-get choose a server that doesn't have new enough revision on it?
[07:21] <Daulity> it pointed to ports.ubuntu.com so i assume that chooses some other mirror from a list
[07:23] <ren0v0> Hi all, I'm coming back to this after around a month of it being an issue. Whenever I connect a new USB device to my PC (namely my DAC), it freezes out my keyboard. How can i debug this?
[07:53] <ogra> Daulity, no, ports.ubuntu.com is the server holding all arm and ppc packages, there are no mirrors ... and i checked the Package.gz files there, they were up to date
[07:54] <ogra> Daulity, but glad that it worked
[08:04] <Sqaure> scp is a pretty clumsy way of downloading files. You need to ssh in first to locate the file you want, disconnnect and then use scp.
[08:04] <Sqaure> Is there a scp tool with a browser?
[08:05] <alkisg> filezilla?
[08:05] <enyc> Sqaure: depends upon the desktop environment but... you can usually  something along lines of  "Places" -> "connect to server"
[08:05] <Daulity> ogra: then i am even more confused :P
[08:06] <enyc> Sqaure: i.e. desktop file browser provides some sort of built-in gui SSH/SFTP file client  (and SMB and various other protocols..)
[08:06] <Sqaure> enyc, i find nautilus pretty bad for remote file handling overall. Atleast when ive dealt with samba shares
[08:07] <enyc> Sqaure: maybe so, I wonder baout  nemo  as provided in Cinnamon-desktop
[08:07] <enyc> Sqaure: if your connection client-server is preety solid, you might have a go with "sshfs" (mount remote sftp location as a local virtual directory)
[08:08] <ogra> Daulity, not only you 🙂 i do use these archives daily from lxd containers on armhf and arm64 and never see such issues ...
[08:08] <enyc> Sqaure: ... but that can fall over in all sorts of ways with hung processes etc if connection drops, you have to then killall sshfs and sudo umount the directory etc.  messy to recover
[08:13] <moha>  We are delivering VMs to in-house clients (developers) in our company. The Problem: they sometimes stop ssh service and then there's no way to connect, unless we give them remote access over i.e Anydesk/teamviewer on vmware web console to login by their passowrd and start the service. how to ban them on changing ssh status? 11:37 AM (while they have root access)
[09:07] <TomyWork> hi, I'm on kubuntu 18.04 and I tried following this guide to running noisetorch automatically with the session: https://github.com/lawl/NoiseTorch/wiki/Start-automatically-with-Systemd#create-systemd-unit
[09:08] <TomyWork> I filled in all the placeholders, uncommented the pulseaudio line and rebooted. Log says pulse audio socket is not available, so I checked whether there was actually a pulseaudio service. There is, but it's disabled. The pulseaudio process is part of the "session-3.scope" unit, according to 'systemctl status "$(pgrep pulseaudio)"'.
[09:09] <TomyWork> so, what's going on here? why is there a service but it's disabled and pulseaudio is started some other way? what is that other way and can I switch to the service way?
[09:09] <TomyWork> and should I?
[09:13] <ogra> TomyWork, http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/WhatIsWrongWithSystemWide/
[09:16] <TomyWork> ogra, not talking about systemwide, talking about --user units
[09:17] <ogra> TomyWork, systemctl --user status pulseaudio.socket
[09:17] <ogra> it is socket activated in the user session
[09:18] <TomyWork> Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/pulseaudio.socket; disabled; vendor preset: enabled)
[09:18] <TomyWork> that is also disabled :)
[09:18] <ogra> not on a default ubuntu desktop install 🙂
[09:18] <TomyWork> on 18.04?
[09:18] <ogra> might be something kde specific
[09:18] <TomyWork> could be
[09:20] <tomreyn> "systemctl --user status pulseaudio.socket" on (previously upgraded from earlier ubuntu releases) 18.04: https://termbin.com/yt51p
[09:22] <ogra> interesting ... for me both, the service and the socket units are active (20.04 default desktop though, but i dont think anythng changed here in years)
[09:22] <ogra> ... and enabled too indeed 🙂
[09:22] <tomreyn> "systemctl --user status pulseaudio.service | nc termbin.com 9999" on the same system (.service here, not .socket) https://termbin.com/rsh4
[09:23] <ogra> tomreyn, so no sound for you ?
[09:24] <tomreyn> sounds works fine, so does pavucontrol
[09:24] <ogra> how strange
[09:24] <TomyWork> tomreyn, yep, looks the same for me
[09:24] <TomyWork> yeah something else starts it
[09:25] <ogra> perhaps /etc/xdg/autostart/pulseaudio.desktop ?
[09:28] <ogra> hmm, no, that only loads the X11 modules
[09:51] <TomyWork> i just downloaded a kubuntu 18.04 live image and it's the same there
[10:33] <tdiabel> Cannot install wine due to mismatch version mismatch between amd64 and i386 packages versions (likely 682 packages)
[10:35] <tomreyn> tdiabel: do you have a wine PPA configured? if so, that's probably why.
[10:35] <tdiabel> adm64 packages are like on version 2.34-0.1ubuntu9.1 but i386 are 2.34-0.1ubuntu9. I  can manually downgrade each package by appending apt packagename=version_number_like_i386
[10:35] <shugo> c
[10:35] <shugo> hi
[10:35] <tdiabel> tomreyn: I do, but without wine ppa it still does occur. Maybe some other one is causing it?
[10:36] <tdiabel> On the other hand i'd like to just downgrade all the offending packages, but don;t know how to do it quickly, instead of doing it manually for ~700 pkgs
[10:36] <shugo> i have forwaraded my port 22 for ssh access but i still cannot acccess it from internet
[10:36] <tomreyn> tdiabel: maybe. show   apt policy <package>   for the :i386 and the :amd64 packages
[10:36] <tomreyn> on a pastebin
[10:37] <tomreyn> and tell us which ubuntu version you are running
[10:37] <shugo> 20.04
[10:38] <tomreyn> shugo: then either the ssh server is not running, the forwarding did not succeed, or there is a firewall or additional NAT somewhere in between.
[10:38] <tomreyn> tdiabel: 700 pakcages? how could that be?
[10:38] <tdiabel> Aptitude shows so when i try to install wine that way
[10:38] <shugo> tomreyn: there is no firewall inside of linux i think, sudo systemctl status sshd is running , i can ssh by using local ip address
[10:39] <tomreyn> !aptitude | tdiabel
[10:39] <tomreyn> shugo: so it's something outside of the ubuntu system
[10:40] <shugo> tomreyn: can you please point me in the right direction
[10:40] <tomreyn> shugo: if you have another computer in the same LAN, try connecting to the other systems' LAN address on port 22.
[10:40] <tomreyn> shugo: and check your internet router for a firewall
[10:40] <shugo> actually i don't have another computer
[10:41] <shugo> i have another android
[10:41] <shugo> but that doesn't help i guess
[10:41] <tomreyn> there are network mappers for android
[10:42] <shugo> can i run ssh on another port and forward that port like for ex 66141 forwared
[10:43] <tomreyn> if your router supports asymmetric NAT, yes
[10:44] <shugo> how can i know that ?
[10:45] <tomreyn> check its documentation. asymmetric NAT just means the port it opens to the internet can diff3er form the one the LAN computer is listening on
[10:45] <tomreyn> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aaronjwood.portauthority.free is a good android app for port scanning
[10:47] <shugo> thanks for your help
[10:51] <TomyWork> word of warning: depending on your jurisdiction, port-scanning someone else's IP might be illegal
[10:52] <TomyWork> already gone
[11:01] <TomyWork> I installed kubuntu 18.04 in a VM, same results for systemctl --user pulseaudio.{service,socket}
[11:19] <Emrederseniz1> i  have a new laptop it's "lenovo thinkpad x1 carbon gen7" and it's have wwan hardware i have instroctions for install driver but i'm stuck at kernel update or something like it" the driver name is "L860-GL_WWAN_Module_"
[11:19] <ledeni> TomyWork, check anyway you have recognize audio device lspci | grep Audio
[11:26] <TomyWork> ledeni, audio works, read up, i have a different issue
[11:27] <TomyWork> the issue is that i have a pulseaudio socket+service, but they're disabled and not used and instead there's a pulseaudio process started by something else
[11:33] <tomreyn> Emrederseniz1: it's always good to point to the guide you're following and to explain exactly where you get stuck (in this guide)
[11:34] <tomreyn> Emrederseniz1: I do not know whether othat's the case here, but note that some hardware is supported only on Ubuntu OEM kernels, which are not used by default when you install Ubuntu using an Ubuntu.com downloadable desktop ISO.
[11:37] <tomreyn> (and some hardware is not supported on Linux in general, because the company producing the chipset has not provided linux drivers.)
[11:39] <tdiabel> tomreyn: i've fixed the i386/amd64 version mismatch by editing /etc/apt/sources.list and adding "focal-updates" and "focal-backports" to universe/multiverse etc.
[11:39] <tomreyn> you didn't have -updates?!
[11:39] <ledeni> TomyWork, recording web start-pulseaudio-x11 & start-pulseaudio-kde start pulseaudio
[11:40] <tomreyn> tdiabel: looks like you had previously modified it then (maybe on the GUI)
[11:41] <Emrederseniz1> tomreyn actually i have introdocktions they support the driver, but i'm kindly new on ubuntu that's why i can't install that, anyway to remote connection for help?
[11:42] <tomreyn> Emrederseniz1: there's a driver for this LTE (4G) module here: https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/ds550634-fibocom-l860-gl-wireless-wan-driver-for-linux-thinkpad-x1-yoga-gen-4-x1-carbon-gen-7-x1-yoga-gen-5-x1-carbon-gen-8
[11:43] <heller> hey guys
[11:43] <heller> i've updated ubuntu fro 18 to 20 and now i'm missing internet connection
[11:43] <heller> any tips?
[11:43] <tomreyn> Emrederseniz1: we don't usually do remote help (I won't), but prefer helping you understand how to manage something yourself.
[11:44] <Emrederseniz1> tomreyn yes friend, i try to do that, but cant continue after step 4 and 5
[11:44] <tomreyn> Emrederseniz1: step 4 and 5 of what
[11:45] <Emrederseniz1> i ll write now first step "Install the necessary dependencies" i did it check. step2 "Download kernel 5.4.3 from the kernel website" check. step 3 "Uncompress the downloaded kernel tar file to its down directory." check. step 4 "Copy the provided thinkpad_acpi.c file to the x86 driver directory"
[11:46] <heller> can i use /etc/network/interfaces with ubuntu 20?
[11:46] <Emrederseniz1> the copy the provided file to x86 directory? where is my x86 directory i cant find i looked everywhere almost
[11:50] <Emrederseniz1> tomreyn?
[11:51] <tomreyn> Emrederseniz1: it won't be possible to help unless you can provide more context, specifically the guide you're following. but even then, i would not recommend building a specific, outdated, kernel version (and then forever sticking to that) just to make a badly supported piece of hardware work
[11:51] <tomreyn> I'm afraid I also need to leave it there for now, it's meal time. bbl.
[11:52] <Emrederseniz1> tomreyn:  actually, i was try to understund how can i do that, when i figure that once time i'll be ok. otherwise it's question mark for me forever :(
[11:55] <heller> anyone? :)
[12:03] <tomreyn> Emrederseniz1: this driver is really alpha quality at best, i can only recommend against wasting your time on it.
[12:04] <tomreyn> heller: i think a fallback to /etc/network/interfaces may still be possible in Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (I am *guessing* this is what you are using), but you should really prefer network-manager or systemd-networkd (via netplan on servers)
[12:05] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | heller
[12:07] <tomreyn> heller: lspci -knn | grep -EA3 '(Network|Ethernet) controller'       should tell you which network hardware you have there
[12:08] <faLUKE>  hello.  When booting linux (ubuntu) I obtain these errors (I made a screenshot): https://ibb.co/Jxq9jnh  .  Then, it shows me the desktop screen, but the I get many I/O errors, crashes etc. I replaced the RAM but it did not fix the issue.  In addition, it forces file system check at each boot
[12:11] <tomreyn> faLUKE: mce (machine check error) are most definitely hardware (possibly firmware) errors. chekc whether firmware updates are available for all parts, starting with the mainboard.
[12:16] <tomreyn> the MCE indeed points to RAM (but that's being detected by the mainboard, with help from the CPU, so those could also be faulting, providing a bad diagnosis). run a memory test (2 full passes at least). this is probably a uefi system, so you'll want the one from memtest86.com
[12:18] <tomreyn> thisis a mini pc, those could have thermal issues, make sure the cpu is not overheating. also undo any memory optimization / tuning you may have set on the bios.
[12:18] <heller> well its 20.04.3 LTS. how can i get this working with /etc/network/interfaces?
[12:20] <tomreyn> you'd need to install ifupdown - but it's really much better to use the other options i suggested
[12:26] <heller> using netplan?
[12:26] <heller> since i cant install anything no
[12:26] <heller> w
[12:28] <tomreyn> if you purged network-manager (did you?) you should still have systemd-networkd, which can be configured directly. other than that:
[12:28] <tomreyn> !apt-offline
[12:29] <tomreyn> !offline
[12:29] <heller> well i do have netplan installed
[12:29] <heller> at least. what is the easiest way to get this working now?
[12:30] <tomreyn> is this ubuntu server or desktop?
[12:30] <tomreyn> so you can probably use netplan to create a systemd-networkd configuration
[12:31] <tomreyn> !info apt-offline
[12:31] <tomreyn> yet another option would be booting a live system and chroot to the installed system, then install software as needed.
[12:32] <tomreyn> none of these options are super easy or convenient.
[12:32] <heller> well at the moment i dont even know where to begin
[12:32] <heller> since i've always been using /etc/network/interfaces
[12:33] <tomreyn> that's been deprecated for a good while
[12:33] <heller> If you could help me with something thats even possible
[12:33] <heller> yeah
[12:33] <tomreyn> start with creating a configuration using https://netplan.io
[12:34] <tomreyn> if you're using this as a desktop computer, you'll want to undo the netplan configuration later and just use network-manager.
[12:35] <tomreyn> if it's being used as a headless server, you can just keep netplan + systemd-networkd
[12:38] <heller> nah, only ssh
[12:40] <heller> i tried this https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-configure-static-ip-address-on-ubuntu-20-04/ and got an address, but no internet connection
[12:40] <heller> i've gt a static ip
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:59] <heller> tomreyn: thanks. its now working. had to reboot to make it work
[14:01] <conjo> hi all having some mouse wheel not working issues since updating to 20.04. My wheel will no longer scroll system windows or firefox? I have no idea where to start and tried installing imwheel (sudo apt install imwheel then reboot no luck)
[14:02] <conjo> google isnt yeilding any thing that stands out/work to fix the problem
[14:11] <TomyWork> conjo, boot from a 20.04 live dvd/usb and see if the problem exists there too. that's a data point that might help with diagnosis
[14:19] <TomyWork> ogra, ok I tried it on a fresh install of both ubuntu and kubuntu: the pulseaudio user socket/service is disabled on both
[14:21] <ogra> TomyWork, must be 18.04 specific ... it is running on all my 20.04 installs here
[14:22] <TomyWork> ok here's a difference
[14:22] <TomyWork> there are 2 processes on ubuntu, just one on kubuntu
[14:23] <TomyWork> the extra process is in fact a systemd unit called pulseaudio.service
[14:23] <TomyWork> but it's in another user's slice
[14:23] <ogra> TomyWork, thats gdm ...
[14:23] <TomyWork> uhm, wat
[14:23] <ogra> to have audio at the login screen (required for a11y)
[14:23] <TomyWork> ah
[14:24] <TomyWork> oh right, it's running as gdm
[14:25] <ogra> yep
[14:26] <TomyWork> can i tell my systemd service to wait for pulseaudio even if that's not running as a systemd service?
[14:28] <TomyWork> hah, Restart=on-failure + RestartSec=1
[14:29] <TomyWork> problem solved
[14:29] <ogra> heh
[14:29] <TomyWork> would have been nice not to spam an error into my logs every time I log in, though
[14:29] <ogra> just let it loop until it doesnt fail anymore ?
[14:29] <TomyWork> yup
[14:30] <ogra> does kde have any other systemd service you could hook up to instead ?
[14:30] <ogra> something that starts after you typically have audio ...
[14:31] <TomyWork> not really
[14:32] <TomyWork> anyway, I'll see if it comes up correctly tomorrow.
[14:32] <TomyWork> thanks for the help
[14:34] <BluesKaj> take look at pipewire
[14:34] <ogra> on 18.04 ?
[14:37] <TomyWork> sorry, I'm not going to switch the audio system just because I have a bunch of extra error messages in the journal cause a noise filter is starting slightly too soon
[14:37] <BluesKaj> check your package manager or apt
[14:37] <TomyWork> I have no issues with pulseaudio so far
[14:37] <ogra> yeah, especially to one that was not really ready in 18.04 ...
[14:38] <ogra> ... i'd rather suggest an upgrade to 20.04 before suggesting to maintain your own pipewire backport, just to get a functioning systemd unit to hook your app into 🙂
[14:39] <TomyWork> noisetorch does work with pipewire though, i know that much :)
[14:39] <TomyWork> but all the other shit i have, probably doesn't
[14:39] <TomyWork> unless pipewire has NAS support, which I very much doubt it does
[14:41]  * BluesKaj shrugs, it merely a suggestion ...
[14:41] <BluesKaj> it's
[14:42] <conjo> TomyWork, ty will try that in the mean time here is some driver info https://pastebin.com/16X5RACr
[14:42] <ogra> i think pipewire is actually a direct replacement for pulse ... just that it was not really mature in 2018
[14:42] <conjo> please dont reply till im back online people my client isnt set up yey
[14:42] <BluesKaj> depends on whether the the upgrades have kept pace
[14:45] <TomyWork> ubuntu lts does not update what is not broken
[14:45] <TomyWork> pulseaudio is not broken, so it is not updated, nor is there any reason to maintain a replacement for it
[14:47] <Mathisen> what is the pulseaudio replacement you talking about ?
[14:47] <ogra> well, it is also pretty stalled in development since its developers forused on pipewire ... try getting aptX audio to work with it 🙂
[14:47] <ogra> but yeah, it is rock solid and mature
[14:48] <TomyWork> there isn't even a pipewire package in 18.04
[14:48] <ogra> yeah, i thought so
[14:48] <ogra> we do have it in 20.04 IIRC
[14:48] <TomyWork> i'll get it once it becomes the default :)
[14:48] <ogra> and it might perhaps replace pulse in 22.04 ... simply brcause it also offers things like RDP on wayland
[14:49] <TomyWork> remote desktop protocol?
[14:49] <ogra> yep
[14:49] <TomyWork> what does that have to do with the audio daemon?
[14:49] <ogra> ask the pipewire devs 😛
[14:50] <BluesKaj> I have pipewire working on kubuntu 21.10 dev release
[14:50] <ogra> it is the defacto standard for screen sharing on wayland nowadays (which does not permit the old ways anymore with the new security model)
[14:50] <TomyWork> oh, i guess it's an audio/video daemon now
[14:50] <ogra> yeah
[14:50] <BluesKaj> always was
[14:51] <TomyWork> security model... sounds fun
[14:51] <TomyWork> same with wayland, i'll use it once it becomes the default
[14:54] <TomyWork> so i guess things like obs also talk to pipewire for video?
[15:51] <conjo> anyone got any ideas on how to get mousewheel to scroll on ubuntu 20.04
[15:51] <conjo> 20.04.3
[15:52] <tomreyn> you move it up- or downwards
[15:53] <KBar> They left without getting the answer. :(
[16:45] <jpmh> I'm using: ssh -tt -p 222 -R 123:localhost:456 myserver.com - sure enough it SEEMS to set up the connectio.  But when I look on the myserver.com , with netstat, I see that the port is indeed open but for <IP_ADDRESS> not the <IP_ADDRESS> that I need.  How do I fix this?
[16:58] <jpmh> solved it - needed to add GatewayPorts yes to my sshd config file
[17:03] <johs1> is there a system for showing what movies you've watched open source
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> johs1: vlc recently played
[17:05] <johs1> good1
[17:19] <fling> Which media to use for installing on bare metal on zfs without ui?
[17:20] <tomreyn> fling: some storage media which your system can boot from
[17:22] <tomreyn> maybe you're asking which ubuntu installer to use? i'm not sure that 20.04 LTS (live-)server supports ZFS, but that'd be your best choice. if it doesn't you could use debootstrap from a live system instead.
[18:27] <MrKeuner> hi, why wouldn't pomotroid spawn? foo@narwhal:~/Desktop$ pomotroid, foo@narwhal:~/Desktop$ Here is syslog: Sep 30 14:25:47 narwhal systemd[1541]: Started snap.pomotroid.pomotroid.3f7abc2f-901a-4191-88bc-ac7fa200120a.scope.
[18:27] <MrKeuner> Sep 30 14:25:47 narwhal systemd[1541]: snap.pomotroid.pomotroid.3f7abc2f-901a-4191-88bc-ac7fa200120a.scope: Succeeded.
[18:28] <MrKeuner> Appears like the pomotroid app installed via snap is running without erroras
[18:28] <MrKeuner> Is there another way for me to get the errors
[18:29] <MrKeuner> 21.04
[18:41] <fling> tomreyn: no, which install media?
[18:43] <tomreyn> fling: i don't know what you're asking, or why.
[18:43] <tomreyn> (provide more context)
[18:46] <fling> tomreyn: I need to install to a hardware box with root on zfs. I don't know which media provides this possibility :>
[18:46] <fling> I don't need any desktop stuff
[18:50] <tomreyn> fling: so try the server installer. i'm not sure it supports zfs, but it would be your easiest option if it does.
[18:51] <fling> do you have a link?
[18:52] <tomreyn> https://ubuntu.com
[18:52] <tomreyn> then look for downloads for servers
[18:52] <fling> thanks
[19:02] <Lantizia_> anyone aware of issues installing ubuntu 20.04 on nuc's ... in the sense that the first boot is just a black screen
[19:03] <Lantizia_> but mysteriously if you hit the power button... it turns off near instantly but flashes up the purple text ubuntu 20.04 screen for a moment
[19:16] <Lantizia_> and now I'm starting to think it's because I used mini.iso
[19:16]  * Lantizia_ waits for three thousand people to tell me that is unsupported
[19:17] <StoneMonarch> Hope this channel is for Ubuntu Server as well. If its not, feel free to direct me to the correct channel. On Ubuntu Server 20.04 I have some docker-compose files that run on start up through systemd. When running in detached (`-d` or `--detached`) mode docker-compose immediately takes down the containers after they start, however this does not occur when not detached. Is it okay to run these service files without `-d`. I have
[19:17] <StoneMonarch> not experienced any issues running multiple service files in this manner, but is there problems that can occur?
[19:17] <sybariten> so, i realized something rather fundamental
[19:18] <sybariten> i have no clue how installed applications are actually... updated. Like, comparably with for instance an android app. Well tbh i dont really have a clue how those are updated either. Is it done behind the scenes?
[19:19] <sarnold> StoneMonarch: there is an #ubuntu-server but this channel gets far more traffic. dunno about docker-specific things though. :/
[19:20] <sybariten> I was gonna say that i was reading about a new version of tmux that had a cool feature, but now i realize the blog post was from 2013 so i most definitely have this feature, haha
[19:22] <StoneMonarch> @sarnold Thanks. Im unsure if its a docker thing, systemd, or Ubuntu thing. Just had to start asking somewhere. Thanks again
[19:23] <tomreyn> Lantizia_: mini.iso doesn't support uefi, but you most likley want to uefi boot.
[19:24] <Lantizia_> tomreyn, well it's weird because the ISO (once on a USB pen) will boot via EFI... it'll make you EFI partition too... and like I say it must boot to some extent as my nuc has legacy boot disabled - and the purple ubuntu 20.04 screen appears when powering it off from the black screen
[19:25] <Lantizia_> so I don't buy "it doesn't support uefi" ... it clearly does, it's just broken and the ubuntu devs are too stupid to care about supporting d-i
[19:25] <Lantizia_> instead I've just had to needlessly grab a 1.2GB ISO for a "server install" ... even though it won't be a server
[19:29] <Lantizia_> oh lord this "server" installer is truely hideou
[19:36] <Lantizia_> "subiquity" - eww
[19:36] <Lantizia_> not a patch on d-i
[19:37] <ferz> Hi, I'm running a java application that store some files in a dir, I'm not able to discover where that dir is.
[19:37] <tomreyn> Lantizia_: hmm, maybe my info is outdated then. or maybe it's just that it doesn't work properly with uefi. either way, it's a deprecated installed.
[19:37] <tomreyn> *installeR
[19:38] <Lantizia_> a deprecated but superior installer
[19:38] <ferz> When I save I can choose the filename but the file requester is not able to use / char to change storing path
[19:38] <ferz> Have you hint?
[19:39] <sarnold> Lantizia_: be sure to file bugs for the features from debian-installer that are missing from subiquity
[19:39] <sarnold> ferz: you could try the opensnoop-bpfcc tool from the bpfcc-tools package to see where the files are going
[19:39] <Lantizia_> sarnold, I wouldn't want to improve such a hot mess
[19:40] <ferz> sarnold: thank you
[19:40] <Lantizia_> why the heck is this thing stuck on "A start job is running for Wait for Network to be configured (2 min)"
[19:40] <Lantizia_> oh ffs cloud-init everywhere... this IS NOT A SERVER
[19:41] <Lantizia_> Surely there is a better installer for someone just wanting to build up a desktop without having a desktop environment one pre-installed?
[19:41] <tomreyn> there's debootstrap
[19:41] <sarnold> Lantizia_: you may prefer debootstrap or the faster, newer, mmdebstrap
[19:42] <ioria> Lantizia_, you want a minimal desktop ?
[19:42] <mago> HI, why is default jack repo of ubuntu 20 so oboslete? Its like 0.5
[19:42] <Lantizia_> I want the Ubuntu equivalent of Debian's netinst ISO :P
[19:42] <Lantizia_> That's really what I want... but it's apparently a completely abhorrent concept
[19:43] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | mago
[19:43] <ioria> Lantizia_, why don't you check the 'minimal' install option  ?
[19:43] <Lantizia_> "check" it?  check it where?
[19:43] <tomreyn> mago: what do you mean by "default jack repo"?
[19:43] <Lantizia_> Oh you mean on an ISO that installs a desktop env... I don't want that at all.
[19:44] <ioria> Lantizia_, ok
[19:45] <mozambique> helllo
[20:00] <privato89> Hi guys
[20:01] <privato89> I've a little issue with a Gnome Extension
[20:01] <privato89> this extensions: Compiz alike magic lamp effect by hermes83
[20:03] <oerheks> extentions are fun, what ubuntu version xorg/wayland session?
[20:03] <privato89> I have the plank bar on bottom of the screen, but when I minimize an application it goes upwards adn not down
[20:04] <adrian-agot> hello am looking for a python senior coder please PM if u guys are interesting to work in a AI company,  I'm also looking for a kubernetes expert. I have several positions open related with linux, please PM if there is anyone interesting
[20:04] <oerheks> adrian-agot, not here please, this is Ubuntuonly
[20:05] <ogra> privato89, you should probably file it here https://github.com/hermes83/compiz-alike-magic-lamp-effect/issues
[20:05] <privato89> @oerheks, I'm using Ubuntu 20.04 Focal
[20:06] <oerheks> 'disable the Favorites bar on Dash to Panel.' ... seen that tip before
[20:06] <ogra> privato89, heh, looking there it seems someone already filed it
[20:06] <privato89> @ogra, woow, thanks ogra, I'm looking right now
[20:07] <privato89> I tell if it goes :)
[20:07] <mozambique> what about linux from kernel.org
[20:08] <tomreyn> mozambique: yes, what about it?
[20:11] <oerheks> the kernel team provides !mainline for testing
[20:19] <privato89> @oerheks, @ogra : I don't have the Extension Dash to Panel, I installed that extansion but the panel goes down
[20:20] <ogra> privato89, you said you have plank ...
[20:20] <ogra> see the end of that thread
[20:20] <privato89> Sure,but plank has not that preference
[20:22] <ogra> privato89, well, tell the develope on the issue 😉
[20:22] <privato89> @ogra if you see on the thread you sent me
[20:23] <ogra> there isnt much we can do here from a distro perspective here for a misbehaving third party extension
[20:23] <privato89> The picture is about the extension Dash to Panel
[20:23] <ogra> read the last line under the pic ...
[20:29] <ogra> privato89, 👍
[20:55] <sybariten> hey hey
[20:56] <sybariten> when running systemctl reload apache2 it's asking for my user PW. But is it also sudoing then? Or should this line be sudoed ? Does it make a difference ?
[20:57] <sybariten> uhhh wait a minute , i forgot i am actually on debian on the machine in question. Maybe this is a debian specific issue which is not the same on ubuntu
[20:58] <sarnold> sybariten: this'll be similar on both
[20:58] <sarnold> sybariten: systemctl will do polkit authentication requests if it needs to
[20:59] <sarnold> sybariten: most people just use sudo in front of it to skip the polkit authentication
[20:59] <sybariten> sarnold: aha so basically it doesn't make much of a difference. But i guess a web server is most often run as root?
[21:00] <sarnold> sybariten: well, it mostly just needs root privilieges to bind to ports 80 and 443, but that's one specific capability that it could have instead of *all* the capabilities, and most web server programs know how to drop privileges after they've bound their sockets..
[21:00] <sybariten> aha! Thanks sarnold
[21:00] <sarnold> sybariten: but you can surely run a web server as your own user (probably a bad idea) or some other account that doesn't start with root privileges, if it binds to ports above 1024..
[21:01] <sybariten> ok
[21:03] <WaV> I don't run a webserver but I was under the impression you wanted to run it as a non-priveleged user on a non-priveleged port (so no need to run root) and just forward the port to port 80 (or 443).
[21:15] <mozambique> !search movie
[21:15] <mozambique> ubuntu
[21:15] <matsaman> !pronouce
[21:28] <mozambique> ok
[21:28] <leftyfb> mozambique: what can we help you with?
[21:28] <mozambique> I need to learn perl
[21:28] <mozambique> deleted my notes
[21:28] <leftyfb> mozambique: try #perl
[21:28] <mozambique> no prove of work
[21:29] <mozambique> ok
[21:38] <regalrex> hello, I was wondering if anyone knows how I can actually properly install AppImages on my computer such that they are accessible by PATH and whatever gnome uses to find programs
[23:50] <ianliu> The Logitech C920e Webcam has a microphone that is enabled/disabled through LOGI TUNE software, available on Windows only. Has anyone been able to enable the mic on Linux?
[23:52] <ash_worksi> is there a package that is basically a timer that just starts/stops based on typing (and a delay after typing)
[23:54] <yukiup> well there is for the web browser
[23:55] <tomreyn> ianliu: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=211505
[23:58] <yukiup> https://superuser.com/questions/248517/show-keys-pressed-in-linux, ash_worksi also you could use a usb keyboard monitor device


[02:34] <eggonlea> NC, the beta livecd could successfully install to my SATA as long as network is configured. thanks!
[02:38] <eggonlea> orga/lool, could we boot karmic from NFS rootfs? I did not see any wiki page talking about NFS. by this way, I could recover the rootfs easily once I make it crash.
[02:38] <eggonlea> I mean, with Canonical provided prebuilt kernel.
[02:52] <GrueMaster> eggonlea: NFS Root on arm is currently untested, but "should" work.
[02:52] <GrueMaster> what platform?
[02:55] <eggonlea> dove
[02:56] <eggonlea> i saw NFS as module in .config
[02:57] <eggonlea> is it done by initramfs?
[03:02] <Martyn> GrueMaster : I can confirm that NFS root works with the current rootstock
[03:02] <Martyn> I"m using it for Cortex A9 development
[03:02] <GrueMaster> cool
[03:02] <Martyn> just make sure you compile it -into- your kernel
[03:02] <Martyn> don't leave it as a module.  Because initrd is -not- generically supported yet
[03:06] <eggonlea> yes, I can use NFS rootfs with rootstock and uImage compiled with NFS built-in
[03:06] <eggonlea> but could we use Canonical stock prebuilt kernel for that?
[03:43] <Martyn> You can, but I don't reccomend it
[03:43] <Martyn> (sorry, cooking dinner, so I'm not at the terminal very often)
[08:56] <lool> We didn't try nfsroot with initrd I'm afraid
[08:57] <eggonlea> what's your time, lool? Never thought I could met you at this time. :P
[08:59] <eggonlea> why I want to try it is I do NOT know what's the difference between the rootfs installed from livecd and rootstock.
[08:59] <lool> eggonlea: I'm always here at this time but I might not be talking here :-)
[08:59] <lool> eggonlea: It's 10am here
[09:00] <lool> I popup between 8:30 and 9:30 almost everyday
[09:00] <lool> eggonlea: Paris time
[09:00] <lool> eggonlea: Where are you based?
[09:00] <eggonlea> Shanghai, PRC
[09:00] <eggonlea> so I always miss your hot discussion
[09:01] <lool> Eh
[09:04] <eggonlea> lool: I have an open question.
[09:05] <eggonlea> Will ubuntu continue use uboot as bootloader, or will transit to kexec with linux as bootloader?
[09:05] <eggonlea> any brainstorming, discussion or plan?
[09:07] <lool> eggonlea: We wanted to do this in this cycle, but didn't manage to
[09:07] <eggonlea> we saw the most two benefits to use linux as boot loader: 1) powerful scripts support and 2) reuse driver code instead of porting everything from kernel to uboot
[09:07] <lool> eggonlea: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-arm-karmic-softboot-loader
[09:07] <lool> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/ARMSoftbootLoader
[09:07] <lool> eggonlea: I fully agree
[09:08] <lool> eggonlea: There's one drawback in the form of slower boot times
[09:08] <eggonlea> aha~. I need spend more time in walking through the LP/wiki
[09:09] <lool> eggonlea: That's what we discussed at last UDS
[09:09] <lool> eggonlea: Now we should probably look at discussing that at next UDS
[09:09] <lool> In November
[09:09] <lool> eggonlea: Anybody coming from your group?
[09:10] <eggonlea> we're planning to apply for it
[09:10] <eggonlea> but my visa is on "check"
[09:11] <eggonlea> anyway, maen should have sb. there
[09:15] <lool> Cool
[09:17] <eggonlea> btw, I noticed the deadline of the end of Oct. Could I apply for it without confirmation in case my visa won't be "clear" in time?
[09:35] <lool> eggonlea: Yes certainly
[09:36] <lool> eggonlea: We try to estimate the number of meals etc.
[09:36] <lool> eggonlea: One thing to do in the weeks before UDS is registering your attendance on Launchpad with the days you are exactly coming
[09:37] <lool> eggonlea: You should also subscribe to the specs you're interested in (not a lot at this point; do that one week before UDS for instance
[12:51] <Mysterious> join the www.worldcommunitygrid.org and help conquer cancer
[14:06] <lool> Mysterious: Please drop the unrelated messages from this chan
[14:33] <Mysterious> lool: lol, never
[14:35] <lool> Mysterious: sorry?
[14:41] <Mysterious> lool: ehm (15:06:27) lool: Mysterious: Please drop the unrelated messages from this chan
[15:03] <lool> Mysterious: Yes, why "never"?
[22:45] <ojn> Looks like Marvell announced Dove today, calling it Sheeva PJ4?
[22:45] <ojn> http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Marvell-Armada-100-500-600-and-1000/?kc=rss
[22:45] <ojn> Well, I guess that's the name of the core. Armada 500/600 for the SoC.
[22:46] <plars> ojn: heya
[22:46] <plars> cool
[22:46] <ojn> plars: hey
[22:47] <ojn> ARM/Freescale are handing out Pegatron Netbooks tomorrow too, but I missed it in time to register for that session so none for me. :(
[22:49] <plars> ojn: handing them out? how nice!
[22:49] <plars> I don't have one of those yet
[22:50] <ojn> Heh
[22:50] <plars> ojn: where is this happening?
[22:50] <ojn> plars: ARM Techcon3
[22:50] <ojn> Santa Clara, Wed-Fri this week
[22:50] <plars> ah
[22:50] <plars> forgot that was this week
[22:51] <ojn> ARM announced and is pushing their new GPU stuff as well
[22:51] <ojn> Oh, and they're announcing Sparrow tomorrow


[05:10] <zyga> Eighth_Doctor: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6861#pullrequestreview-236401452
[05:10] <mup> PR #6861:  packaging/fedora: Merge changes from Fedora Dist-Git and drop EOL Fedora releases <Created by Conan-Kudo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6861>
[05:16] <Eighth_Doctor> zyga: I think I've responded accordingly
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> are we suppose to file canonical snaps to launchpad, or redirect users to 'the maintainer', aka canonical?
[20:20] <Girtablulu> Save data of snap "retroarch" in automatic snapshot set #11 (cannot create archive: runuser: failed to user credentials: Fehler beim Festlegen der Benutzerberechtigung (and 0 more)) "Error with permission" this happens while removing a snap but installing is no issue, anyone knows what's going on?
[20:20] <mup> PR #11: Publish coverage reports to coveralls <Created by elopio> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11>


[06:24] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:48] <chesedo> morning inetpro and others
[13:25] <magespawn> clear
[18:49] <Kilos> hellooo everybody
[18:53] <chesedo> hi oom Kilos
[19:25] <Kilos-> Maaz: coffee on
[19:25]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[19:27] <Kilos> hello superfly
[19:29] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos-!
[19:29] <Kilos> Maaz: gracias amigo
[19:29] <Maaz> ¡de nada compadre
[20:11] <superfly> hi Kilos
[20:11] <Maaz> superfly: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell superfly on freenode, wonderful ty sir, how are you all doing in yankee land" 1 hour, 22 minutes and 12 seconds ago
[20:12] <Kilos> lol
[20:12] <superfly> Kilos: I'm not in Yankee land. The Yanks live in New York state, I'm in Arizona. But things are going well.
[20:13] <Kilos> good to know  you all ok , i am offline often with sick internet, but all ok here as well, and yay for summer
[20:16] <superfly> Kilos: we're in the process of buying a house
[20:16] <Kilos> wonderful
[20:17] <Kilos> hopefully a proper house not one of tose wooden things you see on tv
[20:17] <Kilos> sorry h is sick
[20:17] <superfly> almost nothing here is brick
[20:18] <superfly> but we don't have to worry, we hardly even get cold weather, never mind snow.
[20:18] <superfly> https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/tucson-az/85716/weather-forecast/346936
[20:20] <superfly> hey Squirm
[20:20] <Kilos> great, those wooden ones look wonderful but blow away
[20:20] <Kilos> lol
[20:21] <superfly> we don't have much wind here
[20:21] <superfly> certainly not cape town wind
[20:21] <Kilos> i am happy for you, things here are getting worse all the time
[20:22] <Kilos> a higher hand made things fall into place so you could leave
[20:23] <Kilos> but we miss you here
[20:23] <superfly> I miss SA too.


[02:37] <Shadow__X> DarthFrog: thats a setting in the lirc config
[02:38] <Shadow__X> i believe its the repeat line in the config
[04:30] <qwebirc38561> has anyone else noticed that the latest updates have screwed up the frontend control socket??
[04:34] <qwebirc38561> I have re-enabled it in frontend setup now i have two  choices 1. no control but tv "ip = serverip" or control with no tv "ip = Blank"
[04:39] <qwebirc38561> !help
[04:39] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[23:52] <qwebirc75554> Hello, I just completed a clean install of Mythbuntu 12.04.1 and everything is working except HDMI audio output. HDMI audio works fine in the setup wizard including the sample videos, but plays digital static when I try to view other content. Any hints to debug?


[04:11] <hllp_meplease> hey
[04:11] <hllp_meplease> i have a problem when the instaler gets to the user screen
[04:12] <hllp_meplease> with ubuntu 10.10
[04:12] <hllp_meplease> the next button will not allow me to press it
[04:12] <hllp_meplease> any ideals
[04:13] <hllp_meplease> trying to instal from cd already burnned disk 2 times and downloaded iso twice both times it stoped in the same spot
[09:52] <mvk> we would like to add geolocation to the timezone screen for the installation - ---->         "[X] Automatically detect my timezone (using my internet connection" something like that ;)
[09:53] <mvk> for what packages we would have to commit patches?
[09:55] <apw> mvk, other than casper (which i mentioned before), ubiquity looks to be related (based on its description) it might be worth having a poke in there
[09:56] <mvk> thank you :)
[09:59] <persia> mvk, I believe it already tries to do that.  I may be mistaken, but probably saner to just go ahead and do it rather than force the user to make a choice.
[09:59] <mvk> well, what about having the option - and making it 'checked'
[09:59] <mvk> you gotta think about privacy here as well
[10:00] <persia> Considering that the install already makes a couple network calls to known services, I don't think it would be meaningfully different.
[10:00] <mvk> im funding people to get this done, what geolocation system will be used, im not sure about atm
[10:00] <mvk> i cant simply assume that it would be ok, so i wont
[10:00] <persia> Things like using ntp to set the time correctly, pulling fresh updates from a hardcoded set of URLs, etc.
[10:01] <persia> mvk, Indeed, it does already do this, based on geonames and the Olsen DB.
[10:01] <mvk> are you sure!?
[10:02] <persia> It's in the changelog for maverick.
[10:02] <mvk> ' and automatic timezone selection via an GeoIP location service present in the upcoming Ubuntu 10.10 ('
[10:03] <persia> Seems to be bug #229884
[10:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 229884 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "use geoip for default location (heat: 3)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/229884
[10:04] <persia> And theres any number of updates and bugfixes to the functionality since that was committed.
[10:06] <mvk> so it should actually work
[10:06] <persia> For IPs that geolocate.
[10:06] <persia> The geoip stuff could be buggy, of course.
[10:40] <Riddell> mvk: the kde frontend acts differently from the gtk frontend in that regard
[10:41] <Riddell> at least I think it does
[10:41] <Riddell> don't remember the details
[10:42] <Riddell> anyway to work on the installer you need a virtual machine such as virtualbox-ose (or a computer you don't mind reformatting every time)
[11:00] <persia> Riddell, Significant changes seem to be in tzsetup rather than ubiquity, so there's a decent chance that the kde frontend can do it (although I'm unsure if it does)
[11:01] <Riddell> it does some geolocation which as put in during lucid cycle but I think not the same as what ev put in during maverick
[11:02] <persia> Looks to me like the geolocation timezone stuff was supposed to hit in lucid, but the ubiquity bit was buggy until maverick.  Quite possible the kde frontend still has some bugs (or a sufficiently different UI to not expose the geoip stuff)
[11:02] <ev> right, there are two things at play here and they do two things
[11:03] <persia> My memory is that the install experience for the gtk and kde frontends is rather different.
[11:03] <ev> tzsetup, the debian-installer component as used in both the alternate and desktop CDs hits http://geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup
[11:03] <ev> this gives it a geoip based default, but does not force the user to use it
[11:04] <ev> this was added in lucid, as Riddell suggests
[11:04] <ev> the geonames stuff that landed for 10.10 and only exists in the Ubuntu (gtk) desktop CD installer allows the user to type a place name in a box below the timezone map
[11:05] <ev> it then sends this to http://geoname-lookup.ubuntu.com/?query=%s which then returns a set of results that are displayed in a drop down box in the interface
[11:06] <persia> But the default is still set based on geoip regardless of the frontend?  The kde environment just doesn't have the geoname entry box?
[11:06] <ev> using the results as you type stuff in gtk entries
[11:06] <ev> persia: correct
[11:06] <persia> Ah, good.  Then mvk would do well to test&verify, and probably fund some other useful installer work rather than geoip-based timezone selection.
[11:07] <ev> if the user selects one of these results, the latitude / longitude pair is taken and converted into an olsen db location using a color coded image (much like how the hit detection is done in the graphical map)
[11:07] <ev> persia: indeed, I agree
[11:09] <ev> Note that if privacy is of concern, the user or distributor can set the debconf key tzsetup/geoip_server to null in a preseed
[11:09] <persia> mvk, So, whilst the lead installer developer (ev) is here: what else is on your installer wishlist?  I'm sure we can find something that needs a bit of work.
[11:09] <ev> this will disable the geoip autodetection
[11:09] <mvk> hi
[11:09] <ev> hi
[11:10] <mvk> persia: proper SSD device detection is missing
[11:10] <mvk> ev
[11:10] <ev> mvk: can you elaborate on what's missing?
[11:10] <mvk> with other words >> noatime,discard, should be added for the appropriate devices
[11:11] <mvk> while noatime (no access time updates for files that are red) is second
[11:11] <mvk> the discard option (to invoke usage of TRIM support) should definitly be there
[11:13] <ev> noatime is already there
[11:14] <mvk> i was a bit shocked actually to notice 'discard' was not there after using 'use my whole drive', during installation
[11:14] <mvk> alignment with the drive is done properly now i heard ........
[11:15] <mvk> ev: this is how i made it > # / was on /dev/sda1 during installation
[11:15] <mvk> UUID=afe246d9-b0f7-4cc5-abcb-9d7bc1100ee7 /               ext4    discard,noatime,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[11:15] <mvk> but after installation, it looked like > # / was on /dev/sda1 during installation
[11:15] <mvk> UUID=afe246d9-b0f7-4cc5-abcb-9d7bc1100ee7 /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
[11:15] <mvk> so, no atime nor discard
[11:19] <ev> as I understand it, discard has not gone through the rigors of proper testing yet and will be made the default when its ready.
[11:22] <mvk> ok
[21:25] <mark__> hey have an instal problem
[21:26] <mark__> when i get to the user set up page the next button doesnt allow me to press it and below just tells me whenever im ready


[09:23] <czajkowski> Aloha
[12:09] <ahoneybun> mhall119: https://nxos.org/#software-center
[12:09] <ahoneybun> snaps!
[16:11] <mhall119> ahoneybun: that's cool, is this something coming out of the KDE community?
[18:41] <ahoneybun> mhall119: it's using Plasma that's all I can tell
[18:46] <popey> Nice
[18:53]  * acheronuk downloads
[21:44] <wxl> popey/mhall119: any idea on a yay or nay on my community donations request?
[23:51] <tsimonq2> popey/mhall119: What wxl said, ditto for me too.
[23:51] <wxl> popey/mhall119: and probably ahoneybun, too :)
[23:52] <tsimonq2> popey/mhall119: I thought valorie had to hear from you guys on something too?
[23:52] <tsimonq2> :P
[23:53] <popey> You won't hear directly from myself or michael, generally
[23:53] <popey> we put our notes in the sheet and claire gets in contact
[23:53] <popey> unless we have points to clarify in which case we do.
[23:54] <wxl> popey: what would make my day is knowing whether or not i might get an ok. cuzz i'd really like to lock in the airline tickets
[23:54] <tsimonq2> ^
[23:55] <tsimonq2> popey: And if I get accepted the out of pocket costs for me
[23:55] <popey> valorie, wxl tsimonq2 all got +1
[23:55] <popey> fyi
[23:55] <wxl> ok i'll lock in the flights
[23:55] <wxl> thx @popey :)
[23:55] <popey> np :)
[23:55] <popey> I wish I could go
[23:55] <tsimonq2> popey: Awesome :)
[23:55] <wxl> have you ever been?
[23:55] <popey> no
[23:55] <wxl> linuxfest northwest is my favorite conference
[23:55] <tsimonq2> It would be great to have you there :(
[23:56] <wxl> it's small, but it's ALL community supported and has a great atmosphere
[23:56] <tsimonq2> And I've heard so many wonderful things about it
[23:56] <popey> it would be about 800 GBP just for the flight for me
[23:56] <tsimonq2> )__)
[23:56] <wxl> WAAAAY better than oscon for example
[23:56] <popey> yeah, i hear good things
[23:56] <tsimonq2> *O__O
[23:56] <popey> and it's too late for me to submit a talk
[23:56] <popey> so I can't really ask for company dime to pay
[23:57] <wxl> next year!
[23:57] <popey> heh
[23:57] <popey> maybe :)
[23:57]  * popey puts a tip-jar on the side
[23:57] <wxl> open source summit looks good, too
[23:57] <wxl> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/open-source-summit-north-america/attend/register
[23:58] <wxl> includes the community leadership conference
[23:58]  * wxl *nudge nudge*
[23:59] <wxl> also containercon/cloudopen. so very good for ubuntu.


[00:42] <haasn> fritchie: with any luck, the “full event log” might have something relevant. Otherwise, try “keep on & start ssh” and ssh in to see if something's up
[00:42] <haasn> (I think there are log files somewhere)
[00:48] <mup> Bug #1547732 opened: [2.0] Cannot connect to UI if rack controller cannot be contacted <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547732>
[00:51] <mup> Bug #1547732 changed: [2.0] Cannot connect to UI if rack controller cannot be contacted <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547732>
[00:54] <mup> Bug #1547732 opened: [2.0] Cannot connect to UI if rack controller cannot be contacted <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547732>
[00:55] <fritchie> is there a way to force a node to ready status?
[00:57] <mup> Bug #1547732 changed: [2.0] Cannot connect to UI if rack controller cannot be contacted <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547732>
[01:00] <mup> Bug #1547732 opened: [2.0] Cannot connect to UI if rack controller cannot be contacted <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547732>
[05:41] <durschatz> I'm commissioning 5xBM (SuperMicro) + 1xKVM nodes that all suddenly 'Failed Commissioning' immediately after each PXE boots OK with Cores,RAM,Disks,Storage data is freshly populated in MAAS.  Started happening today with weeks of no issues.  Anyone have clues?
[11:07] <saket_> hi
[11:07] <saket_> anyone depolyed autopilot maas
[11:12] <saket_> hi
[11:12] <saket_> dweaver
[11:12] <saket_> do you have experiene on MAAS deployment
[11:55] <mup> Bug #1547732 changed: [2.0] Cannot connect to UI if rack controller cannot be contacted <MAAS:Fix Committed by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547732>
[13:40] <mup> Bug #1547853 opened: commission fails after swapping HDD <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547853>
[14:17] <mup> Bug #1547874 opened: Region still depends on piston instead of piston3 <tech-debt> <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS trunk:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547874>
[14:20] <mup> Bug #1547874 changed: Region still depends on piston instead of piston3 <tech-debt> <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS trunk:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547874>
[14:23] <mup> Bug #1547874 opened: Region still depends on piston instead of piston3 <tech-debt> <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS trunk:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547874>
[14:47] <mup> Bug #1547877 opened: Region uses python3-requests without declaring dependency <tech-debt> <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS trunk:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547877>