[01:08] <PoorCollegeGuy> hey guys i'm getting crashes when i try to extract files using the package manager
[01:08] <PoorCollegeGuy> anyone know how to solve that one?
[01:09] <recon_lap> sudo apt-get clean might help
[01:14] <PoorCollegeGuy> okay,once i'm done doing what i'm doing i'll give that a try thank you :)
[02:28] <matematikaadit> hello,
[02:29] <matematikaadit> How does we know whether a page is served locally or not?
[02:30] <matematikaadit> I mean, if I visited http://<IP_ADDRESS> in my machine, does this page served from my computer?
[02:33] <moondog> or http://localhost
[02:34] <moondog> or http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[02:35] <GridCube> matematikaadit: <IP_ADDRESS> is usually adsl modems or any other devices that acts as hub
[02:35] <GridCube> its a lan ip you can only access from your network
[02:37] <FounderOf420> hi guys, im looking for a software based volume amplifier
[02:38] <FounderOf420> for example, vlc can amp volume beyond 100% with software amp. im looking for the same functionality to be able to add to the basic desktop mixer
[02:57] <GridCube> alsamixer does that
[02:57] <GridCube> i mean pavucontrol
[02:57] <GridCube> :/
[02:58] <GridCube> pavucontrol
[02:58] <FounderOf420> launching synaptic now :)
[03:00] <FounderOf420> ohh i already have it installed. i must be using alsa by default\
[03:03] <xubuntu356> hello
[03:30]  * studio12 12.04.1 Installer: "Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed. This is a fatal error."
[03:45] <GridCube> studio12: does your computer has UEFI?
[03:45] <studio12> currently looking to try this:  http://www.av8n.com/computer/htm/grub-reinstall.htm
[03:45] <studio12> no UEFI
[03:56] <suttiwit> when i open an html document locally, what command was executed?
[03:56] <suttiwit> firefox %U ?
[03:56] <suttiwit> am i correct?
[03:56] <suttiwit> xubuntu 12.10
[03:58] <suttiwit> nvm bye
[04:29] <xubuntu103> anyone here feel like saving a n00b from utter failure?
[04:30] <xubuntu103> tried to install ubuntu on SD card, while leaving win7 untouched on hd0. now it only boots to grub rescue or live cd
[04:34] <holstein> xubuntu103: i would recover the mbr in windows
[04:34] <holstein> take the sd card out. fix windows.. then you can decide what you want to do
[04:34] <holstein> !grub
[04:34] <holstein> you can alwasy refer to that and just install grub and let it boot both of them
[04:36] <xubuntu103> ok i'm on a netbook...no cd drive. i have 2 sd card slots.
[04:36] <holstein> xubuntu103: im not sure how microsoft will allow you to recover the mbr, but thats what you have broken
[04:37] <holstein> what would i do? just install ubuntu beside windows.. it'll shrink it down and install grub and boot both
[04:37] <xubuntu103> somehow i managed to install xubuntu on to sd2. win7 hasn't changed, is on hd. i'm on sd1 running live xubuntu
[04:37] <holstein> xubuntu103: you should consider what might happen though, and always have backups and ways to reinstall
[04:37] <holstein> xubuntu103: i doubt win7 changed, though you could have broken it.. i think you just borked the mbr
[04:38] <xubuntu103> ok lets see...how can i troubleshoot the mbr?
[04:38] <xubuntu103> as a side note, i did try to browse to my hd win7 so i could grab some data and upload it to dropbox...but it fails to mount the drive
[04:39] <xubuntu103> btw, thx for helping me
[04:40] <holstein> what fails to mount what? the live CD wont mount the ntfs partition?
[04:40] <xubuntu103> that is correct. live "CD" which is actually on sd card won't mount the ntfs with win7 on it
[04:41] <holstein> xubuntu103: whats the error? i would probably test the drive
[04:42] <xubuntu103> here's the error: "Adding read ACL for uid 999 to `/media/xubuntu' failed: Operation not supported"
[04:42] <holstein> xubuntu103: how are you trying to mount it?
[04:42] <xubuntu103> i get the same error when trying to open the other sd card that has desktop version of xubuntu
[04:42] <xubuntu103> double clicking on it
[04:44] <holstein> xubuntu103: if it were me, and i were worried about the windows install, i would fix it.. i would recover the mbr.. maybe try and force a chkdsk or whatever that was
[04:46] <xubuntu103> well, if i can get xubuntu figured out, i would like to use it. it's waaaay faster on my netbook than win7. but i gotta get the data off first.
[04:46] <xubuntu103> anyway, any tips or link on recovering mbr?
[04:47] <holstein> xubuntu103: theres just the one tip AFAIK.. i have used the windows install disc to recover it.. not sure if there are other tools
[04:47] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/183799/fix-windows-mbr-using-ubuntu-live-cd might be relevant
[04:47] <holstein> i have only ever used a windows disk
[04:48] <xubuntu103> thx. well i will poke around and see if i can find a win disk. maybe my manuf. put it on a partition.
[04:48] <holstein> xubuntu103: i would be trying some other live CD's and try and mount that ntfs partition
[04:48] <xubuntu103> thx for the help.. i'll research those options
[04:48] <holstein> xubuntu103: i hope you havent lost anything... its a good idea to backup before. even though you were trying to be safe
[04:48] <holstein> xubuntu103: i used to unplug the hard drive.. the internal one.. and install to SD cards
[04:49] <xubuntu103> everything critical was already backed up. there is work stuff that i might need, but haven't used in the past month that isn't backed up
[04:49] <holstein> xubuntu103: you still should be able to install grub somewhere and just boot all the os's that are there and showing up
[04:49] <holstein> xubuntu103: makes me wonder why the partitions are mounting though... good luck!
[04:49] <holstein> arent*
[04:49] <xubuntu103> ha i did that on my old laptop. but this one has the ssd right on the mobo. argh asus!
[04:51] <xubuntu103> ok i'm gonna go google this stuff and see what i can find out. thanks again!
[05:16] <ilias> hi. i fresh installed 12.04 to an acer travelmate 2700 series with a 3gz cpu and 750 mb ram and runs smoothly except that too often during browsing (either with chromium or firefox) the system freezes and needs restart using power on/off button. Any idea on that issue?
[05:24] <[JJ]Albert> I have no sound here in Xubuntu 12.10.
[05:24] <[JJ]Albert> Tried reinstalling alsa-base, but it still does not work.
[05:25] <[JJ]Albert> I installed it on top of 12.04. where sound was running fine after a few crowbars to the occasional sound driver issues.
[05:26] <[JJ]Albert> But yes, sound is not working. ALSA, that is.
[05:29] <nerd_jones> how come my server (http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2776) reboots faster than my client(http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en&docname=c03349988)?
[05:31] <nerd_jones> server xubuntu 12.04   client, xubuntu 12.10
[05:31] <[JJ]Albert> hmm, dunno
[05:32] <[JJ]Albert> I am hoping someone has a simple explanation of how I can troubleshoot my audio issues with ALSA.
[05:32] <[JJ]Albert> Here in Xubuntu 12.10.
[05:34] <[JJ]Albert> I'll brb, gonna reset. mebbe it'll be fixed since I tried alsa-base one more time, again. :p
[05:37] <[JJ]Albert> Nope, audio is still broken.
[05:37] <[JJ]Albert> Here in 12.10
[05:37] <[JJ]Albert> ALSA 1.0.25, I think. Whatever the latest one is.
[05:37] <[JJ]Albert> That may be it.
[05:37] <[JJ]Albert> Any ideas?
[05:38] <[JJ]Albert> Oh yeah, and my soundchip is the Realtek ALC889.
[05:39] <[JJ]Albert> Anyone?
[05:43] <[JJ]Albert> Alright, this MIGHT be a bug which has affected me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1033233
[05:45] <[JJ]Albert> And it probably is close, except I'm not on an imac, but a built system with a GIGABYTE GA-A75M-D2H
[05:45] <[JJ]Albert> Again, no sound with ALSA on Xubuntu 12.10, with a Realtek ALC889 soundchip.
[05:46] <[JJ]Albert> Anyone got a clue what I should do? Besides reinstalling alsa, which has cured nothing.
[05:46] <[JJ]Albert> I'm reading into this myself, so it's not hopeless.
[05:46] <[JJ]Albert> Just annoying.
[05:48] <[JJ]Albert> It's starting to become hopeless though, not to mention taxing.
[05:48] <[JJ]Albert> Again, no sound with ALSA on Xubuntu 12.10, with a Realtek ALC889 soundchip. Already tried reinstalling ALSA, but no dice.
[05:48] <[JJ]Albert> (Not meaning to repeat myself, just when new people come in)
[05:53] <[JJ]Albert> Oh, hold on. I think I may be onto something. Pulseaudio was reinstalled, which possibly ruined the whole thing for me.
[05:53] <[JJ]Albert> Purging that and restarting again. But not before reinstalling ALSA... AGAIN.
[05:57] <[JJ]Albert> Nope. :(
[05:57] <[JJ]Albert> This is, and I won't lie, getting irritating. ALSA not working. ALC889. 12.10.
[05:58] <[JJ]Albert> Any advice?
[06:24] <akis> hi all. on afriend's notebook which runs 12.04 was choosed to log-in without a 'display session on login'. now we want to add 'lubuntu' to make the system lighter. On startup how can we force the system to load lubuntu and not xubuntu?
[06:36] <[JJ]Albert> install lubuntu stuff
[06:36] <[JJ]Albert> In synaptic
[06:36] <[JJ]Albert> Lubuntu core, I think.
[06:36] <[JJ]Albert> Restart
[06:37] <[JJ]Albert> In login screen, select the list tab saying "Xubuntu session" and swap it out for something "lubuntu"
[06:37] <[JJ]Albert> Uh, does that answer your question? Sorry I'm not real wordy right now. Going through my own problem ATM.
[06:43] <akis> Albert: i dont have login screen how can i enable it?
[06:46] <WalterN> hmm
[06:47] <WalterN> it seems xubuntu is not working correctly with my printer
[06:48] <akis> ok. we fixed it.
[06:51] <WalterN> yeah... it wont print anything :-/
[07:14] <xubuntu893> Hi fellows, I'm trying to install Xubuntu 12.04 and/or 12.10 on Samsung q550 tablet - without any success. On 12.04 there is problem with Xubuntu booting to access the instalation proccess (the same on desktop and alternate version). On 12.10 there is success in installing, but there is no chance to launch gui (xde). Do you have any similar experience with Samsung q550? thanks!
[07:24] <baizon> xubuntu893: try that http://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-to-set-nomodeset-for-installation
[09:22] <chaotixx> hi is anyione here?
[09:22] <TheSheep> hi | chaotixx
[09:23] <chaotixx> i did a fresh install of xubuntu 12.04 off of a usb...  wired networking worked fine but wireless did not...  saw online and for my broadcom adapter it was a prob
[09:23] <chaotixx> so i upgraded to 12.10 in the terminal
[09:23] <chaotixx> and now, the computer has no networking, wired or wireless
[09:23] <chaotixx> hi TheSheep
[09:23] <xubuntu930> Hi I have installed xubuntu with Spanish keyboard layout. But I have a keyboard in English, and sometimes I need to switch to English keyboard. How I can make the switch from keyboard using a keyboard shortcut?
[09:24] <TheSheep> chaotixx: does it see the network devices?
[09:25] <chaotixx> in the terminal, yes...  in the network manager icon on the xfce panel, no
[09:25] <chaotixx> i can pastebin a lspci output
[09:25] <TheSheep> chaotixx: I'm more interested in 'ifconfig -a'
[09:25] <chaotixx> ok
[09:26] <chaotixx> oh i cant pastebin   :(
[09:26] <chaotixx> no internet on that one
[09:26] <chaotixx> but it says...
[09:26] <chaotixx> well, what should i look for
[09:26] <chaotixx> sry
[09:27] <chaotixx> lspci shows both adapters at the bottem...  and ifconfig -alooks exactly like ifconfig
[09:27] <chaotixx> lo is the only section
[09:28] <chaotixx> and i just tried ifconfig eth0 up
[09:28] <chaotixx> no  avail
[09:28] <chaotixx> but theres no such devices
[09:28] <TheSheep> chaotixx: so it does't see the network devices
[09:28] <chaotixx> no
[09:28] <chaotixx> just lo
[09:28] <TheSheep> chaotixx: it just sees the network card as a pci card
[09:29] <chaotixx> no eth or wlan
[09:29] <chaotixx> is that what lo means
[09:29] <chaotixx> ?
[09:29] <chaotixx> i had no idea what lo was
[09:29] <TheSheep> loopback
[09:29] <chaotixx> oh ok
[09:29] <TheSheep> it's the <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:29] <chaotixx> ohh
[09:29] <chaotixx> local host right?
[09:29] <TheSheep> yeah
[09:29] <TheSheep> anyways, if you do lsmod
[09:29] <chaotixx> what can i do?
[09:29] <TheSheep> do you have the network modules loaded?
[09:30] <chaotixx> i dont think they are
[09:30] <chaotixx> unless..  what type of name would it have
[09:30] <TheSheep> bcma? b43?
[09:31] <chaotixx> nope
[09:31] <chaotixx> howd you know ii  have broadcom b43...
[09:31] <TheSheep> I have it too
[09:31] <chaotixx> yeah this is crazzy
[09:31] <TheSheep> it's a macbook :(
[09:32] <TheSheep> did you add anything to module blacklists?
[09:32] <chaotixx> no
[09:32] <chaotixx> never heard of mod blacklists
[09:32] <TheSheep> can you look through 'dmesg | less' and see when it's trying to detect networking devices?
[09:32] <TheSheep> any errors there?
[09:33] <balgkarbr> HI guys, once more i just pas here to say that Xubuntu for me is more like a ... im really happy to know that xubuntu exist.
[09:34] <TheSheep> balgkarbr: cool, we are happy too
[09:34] <chaotixx> some things have *ERROR* im not sure tho
[09:34] <chaotixx> it was deff not less than dmesg
[09:34] <balgkarbr> The perfect OS.Just a pendrive and i make my computer sings
[09:34] <chaotixx> there were too many lines to go back and look thru
[09:34] <TheSheep> chaotixx: you can search with /
[09:35] <chaotixx> ok...  what to search for
[09:35] <TheSheep> chaotixx: 'n' takes you to the next place
[09:35] <chaotixx> error
[09:35] <TheSheep> 'net' maybe?
[09:35] <chaotixx> ok
[09:35] <chaotixx> patterm not found ((press RETURN) is what it said
[09:35] <chaotixx> when i searched for net
[09:35] <TheSheep> the command is 'dmesg | less' with the pipe character in the middle
[09:36] <TheSheep> less lets you scroll
[09:36] <chaotixx> yup i did that
[09:37] <chaotixx> and i know i am searching the way u told me too because i tried some things i could see first...  and now i am trying stuff like b43 broadcom net
[09:37] <chaotixx> i dont know how this happenned
[09:38] <TheSheep> my guess it that it didn't update completely
[09:38] <chaotixx> i could re install 12.04 again....  thats still on the usb sticl
[09:38] <chaotixx> or i could make a 12.10 usb stick
[09:38] <TheSheep> yeah, we will get to that if we can't fix it
[09:38] <chaotixx> it deff updated...  i had to press y to restart
[09:38] <chaotixx> ok
[09:38] <TheSheep> btw, is it a macbook?
[09:38] <chaotixx> no
[09:38] <chaotixx> it is a dell inspiron
[09:38] <TheSheep> deff?
[09:38] <chaotixx> older one
[09:38] <chaotixx> yeah
[09:39] <TheSheep> what is 'deff'?
[09:39] <chaotixx> definately
[09:39] <chaotixx> sorry
[09:40] <TheSheep> ah, sorry, not a native speaker
[09:40] <chaotixx> what is your other language?
[09:40] <TheSheep> if it updated, then it should still have the older kernel there
[09:40] <TheSheep> Polish
[09:40] <chaotixx> i see
[09:40] <chaotixx> nice
[09:40] <TheSheep> so you could boot that older kernel and see if it works
[09:41] <chaotixx> how? i dont have grub installed
[09:41] <TheSheep> you can get to the kenel menu by holding down shift during boot
[09:41] <chaotixx> ok
[09:41] <TheSheep> you have grub installed
[09:41] <TheSheep> without grub it wouldn't boot
[09:41] <chaotixx> ook
[09:41] <chaotixx> i thought that was only for dual boot
[09:41] <chaotixx> im learning a lot tonite
[09:41] <chaotixx> :)
[09:41] <TheSheep> no, it's always tehre
[09:41] <chaotixx> thanks
[09:42] <TheSheep> if it works with the older kernel, try following the steps to get yor wireless working with it
[09:42] <chaotixx> GRUB LOADING!!
[09:42] <chaotixx> yay
[09:42] <TheSheep> !networking
[09:42] <chaotixx> "!networking" in the term?
[09:42] <TheSheep> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[09:42] <TheSheep> sorry
[09:43] <chaotixx> do you use xubuntu as well?
[09:43] <TheSheep> yes
[09:43] <chaotixx> i never got a grub menu
[09:43] <TheSheep> !grub
[09:44] <chaotixx> well if i did it didnt show up/.....  the computer i use is a pos, and i have the vga cord hooked up to a tv as it has no monitor...  it is an old inspiron laptop with no screeen
[09:44] <chaotixx> so sometimes, like when i am booting up, the screen goes off till a gui part
[09:44] <TheSheep> chaotixx: try esc instead, maybe...
[09:45] <TheSheep> ah
[09:45] <TheSheep> that sucks
[09:45] <chaotixx> when i was booting i hit shift..  and then it said grub loading
[09:45] <chaotixx> and then i got a black screen
[09:45] <chaotixx> and then xubuntu loaded
[09:45] <chaotixx> i knowww
[09:45] <chaotixx> i think i lost this round
[09:45] <chaotixx> lol
[09:45] <TheSheep> you can enable grub menu
[09:45] <chaotixx> but it wont show on my tv
[09:45] <TheSheep> in /etc/defaults/grub
[09:45] <chaotixx> lol
[09:45] <chaotixx> it will be a blank screen till i get to gui
[09:46] <TheSheep> if it showed 'grub loading'
[09:46] <TheSheep> then it should show
[09:46] <TheSheep> worth a try anyways
[09:46] <chaotixx> i would think so, but theres a lot of stuff it shows and then unshows
[09:46] <TheSheep> even if it doesn't show, you could try to use it blindly
[09:46] <chaotixx> maybe i could after it says grub loading and the screen goes black, just press 'down' and then enter?
[09:47] <TheSheep> but after all this, I think that a reinstall might be the quickest way to get it working
[09:47] <chaotixx> yeah
[09:47] <chaotixx> the question is, what should i install with
[09:47] <TheSheep> !install
[09:47] <chaotixx> i used xubuntu because of my limitations
[09:47] <chaotixx> i meant what distro this time
[09:47] <chaotixx> lol
[09:47] <TheSheep> ah
[09:47] <chaotixx> sorry'
[09:47] <TheSheep> well, that's up to you
[09:47] <chaotixx> i could do it again
[09:48] <chaotixx> or go with something else
[09:48] <chaotixx> i am getting a bit used to xubuntu
[09:48] <chaotixx> lxde wasnt my fav
[09:48] <TheSheep> you could try mint, maybe they have the broadcom working out of the box
[09:48] <chaotixx> they do
[09:48] <chaotixx> but i have a lot of limitations
[09:48] <chaotixx> i dunno...  mate might be too slow
[09:48] <chaotixx> im thinking of just using xbmcubtu
[09:49] <chaotixx> or xbmc live
[09:49] <TheSheep> can't help you there
[09:49] <chaotixx> but i wanted a distro behind it
[09:49] <TheSheep> just try a couple
[09:49] <chaotixx> im going ubuntu based
[09:49] <chaotixx> i might look for the lightest version of mint
[09:49] <chaotixx> i like mint
[09:49] <chaotixx> been using it since v10
[09:49] <TheSheep> I think they have a version based on debian too
[09:50] <chaotixx> lmde
[09:50] <chaotixx> its called i think
[09:50] <chaotixx> im gonna try making an xubuntu 12.10 install first
[09:50] <chaotixx> but these are all good ideas here
[09:51] <chaotixx> i wish i could just run unity or gnome 3 on this box
[09:51] <chaotixx> it would be perfect on my tv
[09:51] <chaotixx> its a big screen
[09:51] <chaotixx> i appreciate greatly the help
[09:51] <chaotixx> thank you
[09:52] <chaotixx> and all the best to you, TheSheep
[09:52] <TheSheep> thanks, same to you
[09:53] <chaotixx> i wonder if mint xfce is to mint what xubuntu is to ubuntu
[09:53] <chaotixx> that would suck
[09:53] <chaotixx> but ill try it out
[09:53] <chaotixx> well, only suck for me
[09:53] <chaotixx> xubuntu is ok
[10:12] <lestus> lol wth was that guy on about?
[10:12] <lestus> was he on drugs or something?
[10:12] <lestus> haha
[10:13] <knome> lestus, excuse me, but how was that relevant for a support channel?
[10:13] <lestus> knome, apologies, it wasn't
[11:55] <xubuntu086> hello?
[11:56] <xubuntu086> I just installed Xubuntu and found out that there is no automatic wireless detection. Or is it certain that Xubuntu doesn't coe with pre-built drivers
[11:56] <xubuntu086> for xubuntu by default?
[11:59] <xubuntu086> forget this i'm out
[12:08] <Spit> Hello
[12:08] <Spit> Anyone here?
[12:10] <apm1> no
[12:10] <apm1> irony :p
[12:20] <apm1> after hibernating my laptop when i open the lid and press the power button to resume , does the hibernated state of the os stored in the swap get automatically deleted ?
[12:22] <apm1> stupid but genuine question ;)
[14:12] <nantou> is this outdated? http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-convert-bincue-files-to-iso-in-ubuntu.html
[14:12] <nantou> should I use something else?
[14:14] <GridCube> no idea
[14:14] <GridCube> it might justs work
[14:20] <mrcarrot> I ended up having to fix a xubuntu install of a friend. He has been messing with the display settings, and now when the computer boots up, everything is just black. He did it from inside of xfce. Where is the configuration file stored?
[14:20] <mrcarrot> I can not find the usual /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:20] <GridCube> there should not be one
[14:20] <GridCube> not since like 2006
[14:20] <mrcarrot> Where is it stored then?
[14:21] <GridCube> how is everything black?
[14:21] <GridCube> does he gets to the lightdm greeter?
[14:21] <mrcarrot> If I do a normal booting, I can see the pre-X splash. Then it turns black
[14:21] <GridCube> i mean is he asked for user/password?
[14:22] <mrcarrot> Nope. And he had automatic login, so it is normally never getting to whatever *dm it was running.
[14:22] <GridCube> ok, can you get to a tty and see if X are running?
[14:23] <mrcarrot> Right now I have booted it up in single user mode, wanting to edit whatever file you change when you change the resolution from the "settings" menu.
[14:27] <GridCube> ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml
[14:27] <GridCube> mrcarrot: ^^^
[14:32] <mrcarrot> GridCube: Thanks!
[14:52] <servaas> i have no trash in thunar and gvfs is installed what can i do
[14:52] <GridCube> servaas: ?
[14:52] <GridCube> !details
[14:53] <servaas> i i open thunar there is no trash icon in the sidepanel
[14:53] <nantou> how do I open a img file?
[14:54] <servaas> i run xubuntu 12.10 i try to acces the trash in thunar but there is no icon to click on
[14:54] <GridCube> servaas: do you have write persmissions?
[14:54] <GridCube> nantou: what type of img file, there are several
[14:54] <servaas> how can i check for write permissions ?
[14:55] <torax> nantou: what do you want to do with the img file?
[14:55] <nantou> microsoft attributre definition file
[14:55] <nantou> I want to open it
[14:56] <nantou> would it be easier to make an iso out of it?
[14:56] <GridCube> !img
[14:57] <GridCube> nantou: doesnt xfburn opens it?
[14:58] <spow> Hi. I've installed Xubuntu on my eeepc but I had to reboot 4 or 5 times today until the screen would show something (be it X or a console). Is this a known issue ?
[14:59] <servaas> my trash icon magically reappeared in thunar so the problem is solved but the reason why it disappeared is unknown
[14:59] <GridCube> servaas: you dindt had write permissions
[14:59] <servaas> i did no change permissions
[15:00] <GridCube> spow: have you checked the logs?
[15:00] <GridCube> servaas: you dont have to, they should be automatically granted
[15:00] <servaas> i did add the trash plugin to the panel maybe that helped i was able to access the trash that way
[15:00] <nantou> is xfburn a default app?
[15:01] <GridCube> nantou: it should
[15:01] <GridCube> in xubuntu it is
[15:03] <servaas> ok gridcube
[15:04] <GridCube> servaas: i dont really know if that helped or not
[15:04] <GridCube> :)
[15:05] <GridCube> but good you got it working
[15:08] <Guest55307> hi, i just installed xubuntu 12.10 and it looks great.I have an issue though, i don't have a mail icon for thunderbird in indicator plugin and i can not edit the menu.Does anybody had these issues
[15:09] <servaas> was the messaging indicator plugin not removed in 12.10 ?
[15:10] <Chad__> I have the same issue of not being able to edit my menu.
[15:10] <GridCube> have any of you read the release notes?
[15:10] <Guest55307> I didn;t
[15:11] <servaas> i did partly but forgot most
[15:11] <GridCube> http://xubuntu.org/news/12-10-release/
[15:12] <servaas> i can add the applications menu right click it and choose properties and edit the menu i edited out the games menu
[15:13] <GridCube> Chad__: there is an option for editing the Main Menu on Settings, you can launch it from alt-f2 searching alacarte as well
[15:13] <Chad__> GridCube: That's the problem. Alacarte doesn't work.
[15:13] <servaas> release notes : Known Issues  Applications The messaging indicator is not available for 12.10
[15:14] <servaas> you can not start alacarte
[15:14] <GridCube> Chad__: how "doesnt work"?
[15:15] <Chad__> servaas: I can start it, but I cannot remove items from being shown.
[15:15] <GridCube> Chad__: launch it from a terminal and see what the log is
[15:15] <plat> Me too,can not edit menu
[15:15] <servaas> you can not remove checkmarks or you can not save the changes ?
[15:16] <plat> i can not save the changes
[15:16] <Chad__> servaas: I can remove checkmarks, but they come back after I exit Alacarte.
[15:16] <servaas> and if you start it from terminal with sudo ?
[15:18] <Chad__> servaas: http://pastebin.com/zrutvxpi
[15:18] <Chad__> servaas: No
[15:19] <servaas> gi._glib.GError: Failed to look up menu_file for "applications.menu" << that is too high for me
[15:20] <GridCube> those errors show when you try to save? or change something? or just when you open?
[15:20] <Chad__> GridCube: just when attempting to open with sudo.
[15:20] <GridCube> dont sudo it
[15:20] <GridCube> if you sudo it will try to change the menu for root and root doesnt have a menu
[15:21] <Chad__> GridCube: It opens without sudo, but it won't save the changes I make.
[15:22] <GridCube> yes, i want to see what errors it logs then
[15:22] <Chad__> GridCube: I know this is a stupid question, but where will those errors be logged?
[15:23] <GridCube> in the terminal you use to launch it
[15:23] <Chad__> GridCube: In that case, there are no errors shown.
[15:23] <servaas> maybe you need to provide the path to the file ?
[15:24] <GridCube> i see
[15:27] <GridCube> servaas: Chad__ plat https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alacarte/+bug/1069207
[15:28] <GridCube> please report your issues to the tracker :)
[15:28] <servaas> so the bug only affects some user
[15:28] <servaas> but i did a fresh install not an upgrade
[15:28] <GridCube> amd64 users apparently
[15:29] <servaas> i have intel incide (r) (c)
[15:30] <Chad__> GridCube: Thanks. I've never reported a bug before. What instructions must I follow?
[15:31] <GridCube> Chad__: you need a launchpad account, its free to get one, then you report it as a forum message, if you are reporting something new you should use the ubuntu-bug program that is preinstalled on your computer
[15:32] <GridCube> try to add all the information you think is important, like the outputs of uname -a for example
[15:33] <Chad__> GridCube: Alright, thanks a lot!
[15:34] <GridCube> servaas: if a microprocesor uses the 64bit arch it doesnt matter if its intel or whoever, the software is known as amd64
[15:35] <servaas> ok i am 32 bit
[15:35] <GridCube> then report that you are experiencing this issue aswell please
[15:35] <GridCube> and add your arch information
[15:35] <GridCube> and all what you think is relevant
[15:35] <servaas> but it works for me
[15:36] <GridCube> P: then you dont have to report anything
[15:38] <GridCube> !info menulibre
[15:39] <GridCube> Chad__: you can try this: http://www.smdavis.us/projects/menulibre/
[15:39] <servaas> but is the 32 and 64 bit package not compiled from the same source ?
[15:40] <Chad__> GridCube: I'll use that in the meantime, I guess.
[15:40] <nantou> how do I upgrade to 12.10? I can download a torrent from the official site, the iso file, but then? will I have the option to upgrade without deleting the contents of my laptop?
[15:42] <servaas> nantou , The update manager GUI will offer you 12.10 Xubuntu  (it shows as Ubuntu, but updates Xubuntu); Alternatively, launch a  Terminal and enter sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:43] <nantou> ok
[15:43] <GridCube> Chad__: you can do it manually aswel: http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[15:45] <nantou> servaas, the command line option: Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[15:45] <nantou> No new release found, but it is 12.04 the one I have
[15:46] <GridCube> nantou: do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:47] <Chad__> GridCube: I may just have to do that. MenuLibre isn't appearing in my menu. And I don't know what command to issue at the terminal to run it.
[15:47] <nantou> sorry, it was my fault, I had ot configured to show only long term support upgrades
[15:48] <GridCube> Chad__: i would bet you 25 cents right now that its menulibre on a terminal
[15:48] <nantou> the fastest way to upgrade is a fresh installation, right?
[15:48] <GridCube> yes
[15:48] <GridCube> and safer
[15:48] <nantou> i cannot do that, unfortunately...
[15:49] <Chad__> GridCube: I was surprised too. It's not menulibre
[15:49] <servaas> maybe only lts upgrades are selected in the sources editor
[15:50] <nantou> how long can it last the upgrade (non fresh)? 2 hours?
[15:51] <nantou> should I shut everything but the upgrader?
[15:51] <servaas> depends on connection my mobile broadband took a day for the upgrade but i after much trouble i downloaded the iso and did a fresh install
[15:52] <nantou> thats depressing servaas , anyhow it says its going to last 93 mns and shut evertything
[15:52] <nantou> so cya
[15:52] <servaas> patience is a virtue
[15:54] <servaas> so i am very happy that xubuntu team decided to keep the size of xubuntu to the size of cd instead of dvd
[15:54] <knome> servaas, great to have that feedback too
[16:08] <jarnos_> Some error resulting text mode after trying to eject USB stick in Thunar in 12.04. kern.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1307476/  I could not reproduce the effect. Is there something I could do to make ubuntu better in this case?
[16:10] <jarnos_> Ctrl-Alt-F7 returned me in the desktop environment. Thunar window was not responding, though.
[16:13] <jarnos_> I guess there is something wrong with the nouveau driver for graphics;  multiple segfaults, chromium crashes frequently, see the kern.log.
[16:15] <servaas> maybe there was a read or write action or you were in the filesystem of the device when unmounting ?
[16:19] <jarnos_> servaas, I am not sure, but it should not freeze in that case, but complain.
[16:29] <jarnos_> If you have some idea, please mail me to 8 at iki dot fi, if I am not online.
[16:30] <knome> jarnos_, this is not craigslist
[16:31] <jarnos_> knome, what is craigslist?
[16:31] <knome> jarnos_, nevermind. post your question to the forums or so if you want people to contact you even if you weren't around.
[16:31] <TheSheep> jarnos_: in short, nobody will e-mail you, but you can check out the forums
[17:00] <servaas> gvfs can slow down thunar ?
[17:44] <Noxity> Hey, I'm not sure if this is a Minecraft or Xubuntu problem, but whenever I come out of fullscreen (F11) mode, Minecraft crashes with this error log; http://pastebin.com/QHMGQe7q
[17:45] <baizon> Noxity: update your java
[17:45] <baizon> then try to run it as root
[17:45] <Noxity> I'm running it with OpenJDK 7
[17:47] <GridCube> Noxity: is this plain minecraft or have you modded it?
[17:47] <GridCube> Noxity: is this plain minecraft or have you modded it?
[17:48] <baizon> Noxity: the last version is 1.7.9
[17:48] <GridCube> its... not
[17:48] <GridCube> oh, you mean java
[17:48] <baizon> yes yes
[17:48] <Noxity> It's the latest 1.4.2, with OptiFine and TooManyItems, but it happened before I modded it and with 1.3.2
[17:50] <Noxity> Where do I install Java?
[17:50] <Noxity> (Software Centre/Java site/Ubuntu site?)
[17:50] <GridCube> Noxity: from USC or Synaptic
[17:50] <GridCube> Noxity: run java -version
[17:51] <GridCube> on a terminal
[17:51] <Noxity> 1.6.0_24
[17:51] <GridCube> same here
[17:51] <GridCube> no mods tho
[17:51] <GridCube> minecraft 1.4.2 works fine
[17:51] <Noxity> Go fullscreen then back out, does it crash?
[17:51] <Habermas> Is xubuntu the same ubuntu just with a different graphic interface?
[17:52] <GridCube> nope
[17:52] <GridCube> Habermas:  yes
[17:52] <Noxity> It uses XFCE instead of Unity, that's the main change, but there are many other differences
[17:52] <ironfoot495> Can someone help me find the right way to see my 1024x756 resolution?
[17:52] <GridCube> its just another desktop over ubuntu's os
[17:53] <GridCube> ironfoot495: how is the "right way"
[17:53] <GridCube> you want to rotate it to the right?
[17:53] <GridCube> also 756?
[17:53] <ironfoot495> GridCube: I really need help . I installed server 12.04 and installed the proprietary driver but still does not work?
[17:53] <Noxity> baizon: How do I get to 1.7.9? Synaptic?
[17:53] <GridCube> Noxity: no, installing java 7 its a pita
[17:54] <GridCube> ironfoot495: whats the problem
[17:54] <Noxity> GridCube: Shall I get Java 7 instead of OpenJDK 7?
[17:54] <GridCube> Noxity: not really
[17:54] <GridCube> it should just work
[17:55] <GridCube> try not using mods
[17:55] <Noxity> What are you using to run it?
[17:55] <ironfoot495> GridCube: I can't get my AKIA  1024x756 to see the  the OS?
[17:55] <GridCube> java -jar minecraft.jar
[17:55] <GridCube> ironfoot495: i really dont understand what you mean, if you could elaborate please
[17:55] <Noxity> I mean OpenJDK 7 or Oracle Java 7?
[17:56] <GridCube> openjdk seems to work fine
[17:56] <Noxity> Hmm, no idea why then
[17:56] <Noxity> Mods don't affect it, it happened before mods were installed
[17:57] <GridCube> are you using your proper video drivers?
[17:57] <Habermas> I have an old netbook with Ubuntu 12.04 and it lags sometimes. Would it improve the performance if I changed the graphic interface from GNOME to XFCE?
[17:57] <GridCube> Habermas: probably yes.
[17:57] <GridCube> hard enfasis on probably
[17:58] <ironfoot495> GridCube: ok I went to the add proprietary driver and added the drive FGLRX Graphics Driver but it does not work???
[17:58] <GridCube> Noxity: also are you usin the improved lwgjl? http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Update_LWJGL
[17:59] <GridCube> ironfoot495: what i dont understand is how it doesnt work? you cant log anymore? you cant choose different screen resolutions? how is it not working?
[17:59] <Noxity> I've just been looking through the error again and saw that, it's to do with LWJGL... I'll try updating it
[18:00] <ironfoot495> I can't choose diffent resolutions!!!
[18:00] <GridCube> ok, open a terminal and type: xrandr
[18:00] <GridCube> and paste the results on a pastebin
[18:01] <ironfoot495> GridCube: I have to use my small screen to even get on.
[18:01] <GridCube> ironfoot495: use a tty
[18:01] <ironfoot495> GridCube:  could you explain please.
[18:02] <ironfoot495> GridCube:  the procedure I mean.
[18:02] <GridCube> if you press ctrl-alt-F1 to F6 you can cycle trhough different Text Terminals, the F7 is where the graphical instance resides
[18:02] <Noxity> GridCube: Updated LWJGL, still crashes
[18:03] <GridCube> if you open a tty you can login and type: xrandr | pastebint
[18:03] <GridCube> and pass us the resulsts of that
[18:04] <GridCube> or...  maybe that wont work  because you wont be on X's...
[18:04] <GridCube> ok... no... that wont work
[18:04] <GridCube> silly me
[18:05] <servaas> is anyone using the mail panel plugin and does it work with ssl and live.com or hotmail.com ?
[18:05] <GridCube> ok ironfoot495 lets do this this way, go to a tty, log in, type this: sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old
[18:05] <GridCube> then reboot
[18:06] <GridCube> stuff should be fixed but you wont have privative drivers enabled anymore
[18:06] <GridCube> mail panel plugin?
[18:06] <servaas> the name is mail watcher
[18:07] <GridCube> nope, never heard of it
[18:07] <GridCube> i check my emails on google
[18:07] <ironfoot495> GridCube:  I did as you suggested but I get the response not supported.
[18:07] <servaas> lol
[18:07] <GridCube> ironfoot495: not supported?
[18:08] <GridCube> how not supported?
[18:08] <GridCube> ironfoot495: have you loged into a tty?
[18:09] <ironfoot495> yeah! you see I normally download the drivers from the propietary drivers know as add drivers and I actived the drivers but I still get a black screen.
[18:09] <ironfoot495> use the largerscreen.
[18:10] <GridCube> ironfoot495: yes, but if you remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file from /etc/X11 it should reboot to generic drivers
[18:11] <ironfoot495> GridCube:  ok thanks I'll give it a try.
[18:13] <vektek> hi all, migrating from windows. do you think this is a good distro to get started?
[18:13] <baizon> vektek: yes
[18:14] <vektek> cool. thank you baizon
[18:14] <baizon> np
[18:26] <ironfoot495> I'm trying to get my AKAI 37' to work using 12.04?
[18:27] <ironfoot495> can someone help me please!
[18:28] <Habermas> what is AKAI 37? TV set?
[18:29] <ironfoot495> Habermas: It's a 37" flat screen.
[18:30] <ironfoot495> I tried googleing it but I get nowhere.
[18:34] <hhhzzzarn> hello
[18:35] <hhhzzzarn> i am having difficulty with display in xubuntu
[18:36] <hhhzzzarn> since xubuntu can not duplicate the desktop perfectly on two displays (the smaller one shows only a portion of the desktop).
[18:38] <hhhzzzarn> so I have to disable my netbooks display and keep the external monitor on. but when I unplug the vga, my netbook display will not be automatically used and it will stay black.
[18:38] <hhhzzzarn> i am trying it now to see if it is still the case.
[18:53] <hhhzzzarn> .
[19:04] <MrHotsauce> hm
[19:05] <MrHotsauce> anyone have issues with "cupsd" crashing? im assuming thats the printer daemon thing correct?
[19:14] <bibhas> that guy didn't know about `arandr`
[19:43] <evopilot> hi
[19:43] <evopilot> Is there supposed to be a 'restart' option as well as shutdown and suspend?
[19:43] <baizon> !hi | evopilot
[19:46] <evopilot> in the menu "under my username" all I have is suspend and shutdown, no restart option? Using xubuntu 12.10
[19:46] <baizon> evopilot: right-click and go to properties
[19:46] <baizon> there you can add / remove options
[19:48] <evopilot> sorted thanks, bit of a newbie I'm afraid just getting to know my way around :$
[19:48] <unheeding> use the command line
[19:48] <unheeding> it's more fun
[19:49] <unheeding> once you get the hang of it
[19:49] <evopilot> as in 'sudo apt-get' etc ?
[19:50] <Mike-Linux-NL> hello everyone... is there a backup solution to backup my entire Xubuntu install, incl. home folder?
[19:50] <evopilot> I've just used the terminal to upgrade .... absolutely LOVE IT!
[19:50] <Mike-Linux-NL> as 1 big iso file, without a 4gb limit?
[19:51] <baizon> Mike-Linux-NL: deja-dup
[19:51] <Mike-Linux-NL> does is let me reinstall the entire distro as it is now?
[19:51] <baizon> would be my recommendation
[19:52] <Mike-Linux-NL> with my settings, files etc?
[19:52] <baizon> kinda
[19:52] <baizon> you need to sync your installed software and your fine then
[19:52] <Mike-Linux-NL> sync? how do you mean?
[19:53] <torax> not a backup tool, but I use clonezilla to do images of my HDD
[19:53] <servaas> you want to clone your drive ?
[19:53] <baizon> Mike-Linux-NL: i mean this http://www.howtogeek.com/111989/how-to-sync-quickly-reinstall-applications-on-ubuntu/
[19:54] <Mike-Linux-NL> well.. i have Xubuntu installed, but tweaked to fit my needs and support of this laptop. i want to try something else for a while, but if neccesary be able to re-install this setup i have now
[19:55] <torax> clonezilla
[19:56] <torax> http://partedmagic.com/doku.php?id=start
[19:56] <Mike-Linux-NL> well this is a dual boot.. i dont wanna clone the entire drive...
[19:56] <Mike-Linux-NL> and if i do clone this partition, then what about grub?
[19:56] <torax> you can clone partitions
[19:57] <torax> I prefer parted magic, it has few useful tools, including clonezilla
[19:57] <evopilot> does it also copy grub too?
[19:58] <torax> yes
[19:59] <torax> I havent restored partitions to dual boot, so I dont know if theres something you need to know, but I bet theres good tutorials in internet
[19:59] <Mike-Linux-NL> i rather have a solution that i can back the entire system as an iso file, and "burn" that onto a bootable usb drive to reinstall when i want
[20:00] <evopilot> do u mean the entire drive?
[20:00] <Mike-Linux-NL> no entire linux install that is on this drive... next to windows
[20:01] <Mike-Linux-NL> remastersys could do it, but i read it has a 4gb restriction?
[20:01] <evopilot> I'm on a dual-boot also
[20:01] <Mike-Linux-NL> or that restriction is build in ubuntu derivates
[20:01] <servaas> if the install is not bigger than 9 gig you can try it with xfburn ?
[20:02] <evopilot> kinda new to linux though ;$
[20:03] <servaas> biggest dvd in xfburn is 7.9 gig
[20:03] <torax> Mike-Linux-NL: you can burn parted magic to usb key and use that same key to store the image
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[20:04] <Mike-Linux-NL> oops
[20:04] <evopilot> wowzer, gotta give that go!
[20:04] <Mike-Linux-NL> http://www.remastersys.com/ubuntu.html this is what i ment to paste
[20:04] <servaas> copy root to usb ?
[20:08] <evopilot> would this also copy grub?
[20:10] <servaas> you can use "dd" for that isnt it but that is powerfull tool you can also erase your install with it
[20:12] <servaas> http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/ddcommand.htm
[20:15] <evopilot> ooer..looks a little scary..eek
[20:17] <servaas> if you have a spare harddrive you can make a copy and swap them
[20:21] <torax> well, I´d use clonezilla
[20:22] <evopilot> I have that on a cd
[20:26] <servaas> but clone zilla has imitations
[20:26] <servaas> limitations* like remastersys it has to fit on one cd or dvd
[20:27] <servaas> Limitations:    The destination partition must be equal or larger than the source one.   Differential/incremental backup is not implemented yet.   Online imaging/cloning is not implemented yet. The partition to be imaged or cloned has to be unmounted.   Software RAID/fake RAID/firmware RAID is not supported by default. It's can be done manually only.   Due to the image format limitation, the image can not be  explored or mounted. You can _NOT_ recovery si
[20:31] <torax> yes, clonezilla is not perfect
[20:31] <torax> what has to fit on cd or dvd?
[20:32] <servaas> all what you want to backup
[20:32] <torax> why would it have to fit on dvd?
[20:33] <servaas> Recovery Clonezilla live with multiple CDs or DVDs is not  implemented yet
[20:33] <torax> well yes if your source is dvd
[20:33] <David-A> If we are talking about Mike's problem it was about copying the system (excluding home) for later restore.
[20:33] <David-A> As I understod it
[20:34] <servaas> yes david
[20:36] <torax> I use local device to store my clonezilla images
[20:36] <servaas> but i would rather have an xubuntu iso,  the home in a backup and maybe a list of package that i use in a textfile
[20:37] <servaas> if you have a bigger target medium like a drive or partition there is no problem
[20:38] <torax> copy of home and maybe /etc and list of packages sounds like a good plan
[20:40] <torax> Mike-Linux-NL: norton ghost can span the partition image to multiple dvd
[20:40] <torax> but it is commercial software
[20:41] <servaas> you can also use windows 7 backup to backup the whole dualboot system i think it can backup to multiple dvd's
[20:42] <David-A> If no extra harddrive is available and a dvd is too small, I'd copy all files to a usb-thumb (formatted with ext2 or ext4) and restore uuid:s and grub manually after a restore. (the latter may be less trivial for a newbee)
[20:43] <servaas> you copy the whole root to a usb key ?
[20:45] <David-A> servaas: I think so, why not?
[20:45] <David-A> Too slow?
[20:45] <servaas> i have nothing against i think it works well only you have to install a bootloader after restoring i dont know how to do that
[20:46] <torax> servaas: are you sure windows7 would backup ext4 partitions?
[20:47] <servaas> torax good question
[20:48] <servaas> i have my hdd in 4 parts 3 ntfs and one ext4 and when i restore the backup it also restored the ext4 partition but that partition was empty when i made the back up so i am not sure how that would perform with an actual install on it
[21:15] <servaas> back from #backup to #xubuntu
[22:36] <Gagarin> Hi, I'm here to tell you that "parallel" from "moreutils" is borken. It does not do anything.
[22:37] <Gagarin> It always quits in no time and very simple stuff like seq 4|parallel echo  does nothing (And I'm sure that should print 1 2 3 and 4)
[22:37] <TheSheep> !bugs | Gagarin
[22:37] <Gagarin> If it does in fact behave as it should it is the worst command i've ever seen since it ever gives error messages
[22:38] <TheSheep> this is a community channel, if you want the actual devs to read your bug report, report it in the bug tracker
[23:07] <nantou> is 12.10 unstable? I just upgraded
[23:07] <nantou> what problems have you met so far?
[23:09] <torax> Known issues
[23:09] <torax> The messaging indicator is not available for 12.10
[23:09] <torax> Duplicated partitions might be shown at Thunar sidebar and the desktop
[23:10] <sdollins> The menu editor doesn't work
[23:11] <sdollins> You can remove it and install the version from 12.04 though
[23:51] <xubuntu218> opa
[23:51] <xubuntu218> alguem do brasil?
[23:54] <recon_lap> !#ubuntu-br
[23:54] <recon_lap> never mind , gone anyway. goodnight :P


[09:11] <balasai> hi
[09:12] <balasai> i need help installing calculix
[09:12] <balasai> can anybody help me?
[09:12] <balasai> ubuntulog2
[09:12] <balasai> @ChanServ


[00:15] <Unit193> pleia2: I can help, need any now as I'm finishing up one VM.
[06:39] <knome> pleia2, great, thanks
[06:39] <knome> pleia2, we still need to check with xfce though, we're still pending, but that should be completely fine as well
[06:41] <ochosi> there's the xfce foundation now, so just in case we want to forward any merch-money
[06:41] <ochosi> or we could even try to set up a coop with them
[06:42] <knome> yeah, i really think i should have just started a PM with JPohlmann anyway
[06:43] <ochosi> yes
[06:48] <knome> actually, i should run
[06:48] <knome> so see you later
[06:50] <ochosi> seeya
[08:29] <ochosi> humm, anyone with mpd experience around?
[08:30] <carnau> ochosi, u still nedd the screenshots?
[08:30] <ochosi> carnau: sure
[08:32] <carnau> ochosi, http://wikisend.com/download/267944/Greybird_screens.tar.gz
[08:33] <ochosi> thanks, those look great!
[08:34] <ochosi> i'll try to write up a blog-post about that soon
[08:34] <carnau> great!
[08:35] <carnau> ah, I've noticed that the background not loads in the login screen.
[08:35] <carnau> It does in Ambiance.
[08:35] <ochosi> yes, i haven't added any theming to unity-greeter
[08:35] <ochosi> if you're willing to test it, i could give it a try
[08:35] <ochosi> (but i don't think it's essential)
[08:36] <carnau> quite busy these days, maybe next week?
[08:36] <ochosi> sure, no rush
[08:37] <carnau> :D
[11:04] <ochosi> pleia2: i started working on a blog-post about unity support in greybird, feel free to have a peek (on xubuntu.org)
[12:32] <carnau> Is there any way to restrict some folders of being scanned by the dash?
[12:32] <ochosi> carnau: i think you have to use the zeitgeist activity journal (or what it's called)
[12:33] <carnau> ok, I'll take a look. thanks :D
[12:34] <carnau> Augh, it's too easy. There is an app for that, Privacy.
[13:55] <Pjotr> Hello, I wish to congratulate all Xubuntu developers with the fine 12.04 edition! Best Xubuntu yet, and the new artwork is clean and attractive.
[13:56] <astraljava> Yep, I concur. The whole bunch did a marvellous job.
[14:00] <Pjotr> Xubuntu is going professional in The Netherlands as well: a mental health centre with 350 employees has switched to Xubuntu. See this news item: http://virtualizationworld365.info/news_full.php?id=21703
[14:00] <ochosi> wow cool
[14:00] <ochosi> and thanks for the kudos :)
[14:01] <Pjotr> key quote: 'They are now able to access an easy-to-use Xubuntu desktop and all their critical business programs, including email and an open-source equivalent to Microsoft Office.'
[14:03] <Pjotr> With an LTS Xubuntu like 12.04, I expect more businesses to follow suit. Businesses love long term support. :-)
[14:03] <astraljava> That is too true.
[20:53] <astraljava> Ooh man, amd64 images could really need some love. Will probably take until tomorrow evening before I have a chance.
[21:14] <astraljava> Hopefully some activity shows up. No one from the proposed members of the Xubuntu Testers team has come forward by adding info on the page requested, so I didn't add anyone thus far.
[21:15] <pleia2> astraljava: I'll do what I can tonight
[21:15] <astraljava> Gotta get some sleep now, catch ya tomor*... later today. :)
[21:15] <astraljava> pleia2: Oh that'd be wonderful, thank you!
[21:15] <pleia2> (and tomorrow night!)
[21:33] <scott-work> astraljava: i can download the 64bit xubuntu iso and test it this evening if this is still required
[21:35] <astraljava> scott-work: Yes, please. No results have been submitted for amd64 images thus far. :-/
[21:37] <scott-work> how many tests are there?  i typically haven't done encrypted before
[21:38] <scott-work> oh, it's alternative as well, and three tests per
[21:38] <scott-work> i don't know that i'll get all those done
[21:39] <scott-work> i can commit to getting three of the tests done tonight but that will be probably it though
[21:39] <astraljava> Anything helps. I will do some about 20-22 hours from now, but I won't have time to do them all in time.
[21:40] <astraljava> Right, really should sleep now. First customer gig in 8 hours. :)
[21:40] <Unit193> Well, any 32 at all?
[21:40] <scott-work> astraljava: good luck!  and defintely get some sleep :)
[21:41] <scott-work> Unit193: it looks like at the 32bit test are complete
[21:41] <Unit193> Yep, that's what it was when I finished, all but wubi.
[21:51] <knome> scott-work, which tests are you going to run?
[21:53] <knome> scott-work, want to take alternate or desktop?
[21:53] <knome> scott-work, i have about half of desktop, if you haven't started downloading yet, so i could do those except the wubi one
[21:54] <knome> i'll be right back
[21:54] <scott-work> knome: i have not started downloading yet
[21:54] <scott-work> knome: i'll do the alternative then
[21:54] <knome> scott-work, ok, thanks a lot
[21:55] <scott-work> knome: i'm glad to give _something_ back to xubuntu ;)
[21:55] <knome> heh
[21:56] <ochosi> knome: heyo
[21:56] <knome> hey ochosi
[21:56] <knome> ochosi, you can run a test? :)
[21:56] <ochosi> just finished my first fitpc3 test (with mpd and beamer attached)
[21:57] <knome> :)
[21:57] <knome> willing to do a *xubuntu* test? ;)
[21:57] <ochosi> next on my agenda is taking a few screenshots for the xfce tour...
[21:57] <knome> hurrr
[21:57] <ochosi> i've been postponing that since friday evening...
[21:57] <knome> heh
[21:58] <ochosi> also
[21:58]  * knome 's stomach is not feeling so well after too much naga jolokia, so...
[21:58] <ochosi> would you mind adding me to the -web team so that i can add the greybird/unity screenshots?
[21:58] <knome> i can do that
[21:58] <knome> i imagine we will have to create a team for the web translators too
[21:58] <ochosi> mhm
[21:59] <knome> added
[21:59] <ochosi> i mean for now i can also send you the screenshots carnau made for us, but...
[21:59] <knome> well done already :P
[21:59] <ochosi> ah, thanks :)
[21:59] <ochosi> oh and please give the (short) article a quick read
[21:59] <ochosi> i don't want it to be too long anyway
[21:59] <ochosi> but i wrote it in a hurry
[21:59] <ochosi> (not even sure anymore what i wrote :p)
[21:59] <knome> err
[22:00] <knome> well, can it wait until tomorrow?
[22:00] <knome> it's 1am and i don't think my proof-reading skills are at their best
[22:00] <ochosi> yeah, no worries
[22:00] <ochosi> the draft is there
[22:00] <knome> ok, i'll try to remember that tomorrow
[22:01] <ochosi> but about the testing
[22:01] <knome> yeah?
[22:01] <ochosi> i just made a livestick with today's amd64 desktop image
[22:01] <knome> ok
[22:01] <ochosi> wanted to test it on a friend's macbook air
[22:01] <knome> but?
[22:01] <ochosi> everything worked ootb btw
[22:01] <knome> k...
[22:01] <knome> can you maybe file the results then?
[22:02] <knome> also, was it entire disk?
[22:02] <ochosi> i didn't install, i just booted the livestick :)
[22:02] <knome> awwh
[22:02] <knome> so live session
[22:02] <ochosi> she wasn't ready to leave osx just yet
[22:02] <knome> or...
[22:02] <knome> bleh, okay, i'll go for the entire disk installation then
[22:02] <ochosi> theoretically i can do an install on my spare testing-partition
[22:02] <knome> bug #924909
[22:02] <knome> yes, that
[22:03] <ochosi> but i can't promise i'll make it tonight
[22:03] <knome> ok, np
[22:03] <knome> i can leave you one testcase ;)
[22:04] <knome> brb
[22:04] <ochosi> btw, that ubiquity bug is an xfwm-compositing bug
[22:04] <ochosi> if we can switch off compositing for ubiquity then things would most likely be fine (no artifacts)
[22:04] <ochosi> i dunno why the window doesn't repaint though
[22:09] <knome> ochosi, can you add that as comment in the bug?
[22:10] <ochosi> i can, but it's more my experience that tells me that, no evidence to back it up
[22:10] <knome> well, just add it anyway
[22:10] <ochosi> mkay
[22:10] <ochosi> we could ask olivier, but it's more likely it could/should be fixed in ubiquity-dm
[22:11] <knome> yes, i think it's an ubiquity thing too
[22:12] <ochosi> comment added
[22:12] <knome> thanks
[22:12] <ochosi> np
[22:13] <knome> huh, there's some scrollbars on the slideshow
[22:13] <ochosi> that can't be good
[22:13] <knome> no, and it's jsut stupid anyway
[22:13] <ochosi> what's your res?
[22:13] <knome> i think 800x600
[22:13] <ochosi> oh wow
[22:13] <knome> the default vbox
[22:13] <ochosi> that's pretty low
[22:13] <knome> or whatever taht is
[22:13] <knome> *that
[22:14] <knome> it seems to be fixed once the slideshow progresses automatically
[22:14] <knome> don't ask me.
[22:14] <knome> DAMN.
[22:14] <ochosi> right, well that sounds minor
[22:14] <knome> yeah, it is
[22:14] <knome> you know, that burger was REALLY hot.
[22:14] <ochosi> heh
[22:15]  * knome is suffering
[22:15] <knome> inside out
[22:15] <ochosi> and you'll be suffering again tomorrow? :)
[22:15] <knome> i mean literally, urinating hurt
[22:15] <ochosi> ouch
[22:15] <ochosi> doesn't sound very healthy to me
[22:15] <knome> fortunately no more
[22:15] <knome> well, probably isn't too healthy.
[22:18] <knome> i wonder what "session" the ubiquity installer is running
[22:18] <knome> or where does it get it's settings
[22:18] <knome> it would be too easy to just disable compositing there
[22:18] <knome> if that was trivial
[22:18] <ochosi> must be the default settings, otherwise compositing wouldn't be on
[22:18] <ochosi> yes, that's why i suggested that
[22:18] <knome> default settings == xubuntu session?
[22:18] <knome> or something else
[22:18] <ochosi> yes, i'd assume
[22:18] <knome> then bleh :)
[22:19] <ochosi> i dunno whether ubiquity can be told to pass on parameters
[22:19] <ochosi> or inherit all settings from xubuntu-session but change one
[22:20] <ochosi> better ask some ubiquity devs :)
[22:20] <knome> do you know who those are?
[22:20] <ochosi> nope
[22:20] <knome> heh, k
[22:20] <knome> i think stgraber then... ;)
[22:20] <ochosi> never did anything with ubiquity apart from the slideshows we did
[22:20] <ochosi> yeah, starting with people you know is always good
[22:24] <knome> ochosi, the indicator area icons are supposed to resize or not?
[22:24] <knome> Click on Panel
[22:24] <knome> Move the slider at Appearance and notice the changes in the panel. The icons should grow and shrink about the same. Text should remain readable.
[22:24] <knome> that's one of the most confusing sections of instructions i've ever read.
[22:25] <ochosi> ?
[22:25] <ochosi> "Move the slider at Appearance and notice the changes in the panel." ?
[22:26] <ochosi> panel > panel preferences > appearancetab > ?
[22:26] <ochosi> or just change the size of the panel?
[22:26] <knome> i don't know.
[22:26] <knome> maybe.
[22:26] <knome> i don't know
[22:26] <knome> that's VERY confusing.
[22:26] <knome> anyway
[22:26] <knome> lawl at spellcheck
[22:26] <ochosi> the size of the indicators and trayicons luckily doesn't change anymore
[22:26] <ochosi> they stay the same at 22px
[22:26] <knome> i purposedly misspelled -> "spellchekcing"
[22:26] <ochosi> therefore sharp
[22:26] <knome> i'm proposed:
[22:27] <knome> spellbinding
[22:27] <knome> sepulchering
[22:27] <knome> shellackin
[22:27] <knome> +g
[22:27] <knome> misspelling
[22:27] <knome> spelunking
[22:27] <knome> splashiness
[22:27] <ochosi> i don't even know what shellacking is
[22:27] <ochosi> hah
[22:27] <knome> WHAT?
[22:27] <ochosi> great :)
[22:27] <knome> no "spellchecking" ?
[22:28] <knome> oh right, now that i type "spellchecking" to the "change to" field, it is wise enought to propose me "spell checking"
[22:28] <knome> :P
[22:28] <ochosi> heh
[22:29] <knome> yay, the terminal help actually opens!
[22:30] <knome> Note login sound, if equipped with appropriate hardware.
[22:30] <knome> wait? what login sound...
[22:30] <ochosi> =)
[22:30]  * knome thinks somebody should have actually READ the test cases.
[22:33] <Unit193> Read?
[22:33] <knome> Unit193, that's the thing bots apparently can't do very well
[22:33] <Unit193> And knome, I said the same thing about a "Login Sound"
[22:33] <Unit193> Parser error, try again.
[22:34]  * ochosi hopes that xubuntu will _never_ have a login sound by default
[22:35] <knome> yeah, not one of my main goals either...
[22:46]  * knome puts on some testing music
[22:47] <knome> hello GridCube
[22:47] <GridCube> hello knome
[22:47] <GridCube> :)
[22:47] <knome> you can do an amd64 test? :]
[22:48] <GridCube> :( i only have i386 capable machines
[22:48] <knome> oh bleh.
[22:48] <GridCube> the amd64 one i have has the i386 flavor on it
[22:49] <GridCube> i could, at the risk of being killed by my brother, do a hardware install of amd64 on hour main machine
[22:49] <GridCube> but not till tomorrow
[22:49] <GridCube> :/ so not very helpful
[22:49] <knome> heh
[22:50] <knome> don't risk your life
[22:50] <GridCube> its that thats our main machine that he uses for works and he needs it to be working at any moment
[22:50] <knome> ochosi, now again, with the same image, with same vbox instance and everything, no scrollbars for slideshow :]
[22:51] <knome> well, i can assure you amd64 really works well
[22:51] <knome> but please do upgrade it only when you have some time to fix it too ;)
[22:51] <ochosi> knome: you're sure you didn't resize the vbox window a teeny-weeny bit?
[22:51] <knome> ochosi, yeah.
[22:51] <knome> ochosi, 100% sure.
[22:51] <ochosi> hmkay
[22:51] <knome> that wouldn't matter anyway
[22:51] <ochosi> well, that is strange news then :)
[22:51] <knome> since i'm on the live session
[22:52] <knome> i mean, the window fits really fine to the space i have for vbox
[22:52] <knome> :)
[22:52] <ochosi> so amd64 doesn't need much more testing?
[22:52] <knome> ochosi, well, i'm on my test 3/4, but alt is not done at all
[22:53] <knome> ochosi, if you could do even one alt test, it would help ScottL :)
[22:55] <ochosi> definitely can't test alt today/tonight...
[22:55] <knome> awwh
[22:55] <knome> what about desktop then? ;)
[22:55] <ochosi> i thought that doesn't help much and is tested well enough?
[22:55] <ochosi> you know i'm really tired already...
[22:55] <knome> you know i'm tired too? ;)
[22:55] <ochosi> no, you're still _on fire_ ;)
[22:56] <knome> hah
[22:56] <knome> that
[22:56] <knome> well, leave it for tomorrow then
[22:56] <knome> i'll see how far i can go
[22:59] <knome> it feels stupid, but i'm linking the same bug to all of my reports
[22:59] <knome> :P
[23:00] <ochosi> :)
[23:00] <ochosi> i'm off for tonight
[23:01] <knome> okay, good night and see you later
[23:01] <ochosi> nighty!
[23:01] <knome> again, no scrollbars...
[23:11] <knome> all amd64 desktop tests done except wubi
[23:24] <GridCube> welp almost no wubi tests are ever done
[23:34] <knome> downloading the alternate image.
[23:34] <knome> bleh, problems with the shell.
[23:35] <knome> GridCube, yeah. we need to think what to do with xubuntu+wubi.
[23:58] <knome> ScottL, ochosi: looks like there is no more amd64 tests to be done after i finish this and another tester the other not yet tested one.