[00:57] <dudanogueira> da123
[00:57] <dudanogueira> ouch
[00:57] <pleia2> yay, dudanogueira :)
[01:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[01:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 19:00. The chair is pleia2.
[01:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[01:00] <pleia2> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the Americas meeting for January 21st 2011. The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas
[01:00] <pleia2> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[01:01] <pleia2> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[01:01] <pleia2> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[01:01] <pleia2> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[01:01] <pleia2> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[01:02] <pleia2> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[01:02] <pleia2> is geeknik here?
[01:02] <pleia2> ok, james78?
[01:03] <james78> I am here.
[01:03] <pleia2> [TOPIC] james78 membership
[01:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  james78 membership
[01:03] <pleia2> james78: please go ahead and introduce yourself :)
[01:04] <Legendario> hello everybody
[01:04] <Legendario> just pinging here
[01:04] <dudanogueira> Legendario: heya!
[01:04] <james78> Hi, I'm James, and my wiki page is at the end. I've been working with computers for many many years (7 or so). I started with Ubuntu around 8.04 (september 2008) and have been loving it ever since. I mostly help people out in the Ubuntu forums and IRC. I love helping people out and giving technical support. :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/roejames12
[01:05] <nhandler> james78: Who added the recommendations to your wiki? It only has first names, and it appears you have made all of the edits to that page
[01:05] <james78> Yes, I indeed have.
[01:05] <james78> Those recommendations came from 2 people I know on MSN.
[01:05] <james78> There was a 3rd person who was going to add theres in, but they never got around too it.
[01:05] <Legendario> hi dudanogueira!
[01:06] <dinda> james78: so why are you going for your membership?
[01:07] <dinda> james78: and are active in any loco teams?  events?
[01:07] <dudanogueira> james78:  where in the world are you? do you have some involvement with nearby locos?
[01:07] <dudanogueira> oops :)
[01:07] <dinda> gmta :)
[01:08] <james78> As said earlier, I love helping people out, and giving technical support. But on a better note, in the future, I plan on giving and maintaining a better role in the Ubuntu community. Documentation, packaging, bug triaging, and of course bug reporting! Just whatever work that needs to get done. :)
[01:08] <dinda> james78: dudanogueira and I are on the membership council, that's why we're asking so many questions
[01:08]  * greg-g waves
[01:09] <james78> I am currently not affiliated with any loco teams. I live in College Place Washington, and if I remember right from looking up the loco teams, there aren't any around here, but I can certainly start one up sometime. :)
[01:09] <dinda> james78: we can certainly use your help in documentation!  and all those other teams too
[01:09] <nhandler> james78: I'm seeing http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-washington and http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/washingtonstate
[01:10] <dinda> james78: so about two years of active involvement, would you say?
[01:11] <james78> Right around there ya. I was more on and off for a better part of the year, but within the last 7 or 8 months I've been getting much much more involved, especially with helping people out in the Ubuntu forums./
[01:12] <dinda> james78: do you think you could get recommendations from some of the forums team members?
[01:13] <james78> I believe I can. I know that a few have seen me around helping people.
[01:14] <james78> CharlesA would be one of them.
[01:14] <pleia2> james78: you've been doing some great work, but I think we'd really like to see you getting into some of those areas you mentioned, documentation, packaging, bug triaging and reporting
[01:14] <greg-g> james78: it would be good to have them add their endorsement to your wiki page themselves
[01:15] <dinda> james78: agreed, maybe have one or two of them come speak for you here
[01:16] <greg-g> without endorsements from known people, it is hard for us to make a decision, you know?
[01:16] <james78> I agree. Makes perfect sense.
[01:17] <dudanogueira> james78: you are almost there! keep up the good work :)
[01:17] <greg-g> james78: so, go ahead and ask those people for those endorsements and, of course, keep doing good work and expanding your sphere of involvement and come back for membership in a little
[01:18] <pleia2> ghoulmann, are you here?
[01:18] <ghoulmann> here
[01:18] <ghoulmann> My name is Rik Goldman, I have a deep commitment to literature, rhetoric, education, social justice and liberation. I'm eager to continue to explore with an invested community how Ubuntu can can be an asset as we serve these interests. I am a literature and composition instructor, and now find myself an advanced technology instructor. I have worked with IT since 1996, until now always ancillary to my work with wi
[01:18] <pleia2> [TOPIC] ghoulmann membership
[01:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  ghoulmann membership
[01:19] <dinda> hi ghoulmann!  just matched the nick with the work - excellent to have you here!
[01:19] <ghoulmann> thank you!
[01:19] <ghoulmann> it's great to be able to be here.
[01:20] <ghoulmann> I began using ubuntu on secondary machines in 2005 after many years of changing distros and experimenting.
[01:20] <ghoulmann> Ultimately I chose ubuntu for my home machines and committed my lab at the school to open source resources, with ubuntu as a foundation
[01:21] <dinda> ghoulmann: were you at the last UDS?
[01:21] <pleia2> yay for ubuntu in school labs :)
[01:21] <greg-g> ghoulmann: awesome, I'm really happy to hear about floss in the classrooom/education
[01:21] <ghoulmann> no but apparently I came up in school server in a box discusison
[01:21] <dinda> ghoulmann: you did!
[01:22] <dinda> ghoulmann: we really need more educators telling their stories and helping to grow the community
[01:22] <ghoulmann> it's been a really energizing experience. it also has me keeping assessment authentic, being able to have them contribute, rather then doing enervating drills.
[01:22] <dudanogueira> ghoulmann: that's very good! open source has everything to do with education!
[01:23] <greg-g> ghoulmann: when did your lab go Ubuntu?
[01:23] <ghoulmann> And i see Ubuntu, espec. with the code of conduct, as the transportation for the technologies that will serve the underserved.
[01:23] <Legendario> dudanogueira, ghoulmann, I also agree. Education and free software make the perfect couple
[01:23] <ghoulmann> At the end of summer, students converted all the machines, with the blessing of sys admin and head of school
[01:24] <dudanogueira> they did it by themselfs?
[01:24] <dudanogueira> that's it cool
[01:24] <ghoulmann> Based on the success the students had the prior year.
[01:24] <greg-g> awesome. I have so many questions for you, but they aren't about membership related things, so I'll stay quiet :)
[01:24] <dinda> ghoulmann: doph!  I just realized that article from T.H.E was about you!
[01:24] <ghoulmann> They had support, an array of tools provided to choose from
[01:24]  * ghoulmann blush
[01:24] <dinda> read that last year and just now got the connection to Chelsea
[01:24] <pleia2> ok, I think we're ready to vote (only board members voting, please)
[01:25] <pleia2> [VOTE] ghoulmann membership
[01:25] <MootBot> Please vote on:  ghoulmann membership.
[01:25] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[01:25] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[01:25] <pleia2> +1
[01:25] <greg-g> +1
[01:25] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[01:25] <dudanogueira> +1
[01:25] <MootBot> +1 received from greg-g. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[01:25] <MootBot> +1 received from dudanogueira. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[01:25] <dinda> +1
[01:25] <MootBot> +1 received from dinda. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[01:25] <pleia2> #endvote

[01:25] <pleia2> oh there
[01:25] <ghoulmann> THank you for the opportunity.
[01:25] <sabrerae> yeah
[01:25] <pleia2> [endvote]
[01:25] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[01:25] <ghoulmann> and the support.
[01:25] <pleia2> congrats and welcome ghoulmann! :)
[01:25] <pabelanger> ghoulmann: Congrats!
[01:25] <dudanogueira> ghoulmann: we are the one to thank you ;)
[01:25] <dinda> Welcome!  now keep up the good work :)
[01:26] <greg-g> congrats and welcome, ghoulmann !
[01:26] <porthose_> ghoulmann, congrats :)
[01:26] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Legendario membership
[01:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  Legendario membership
[01:26] <ghoulmann> very proud of all the support i've received.
[01:26] <greg-g> ghoulmann: the support is why we all love this community :)
[01:26] <Legendario> congrats ghoulmann, good to see someone with education background here
[01:26] <Legendario> i am ready
[01:27] <pleia2> Legendario: please go ahead and introduce yourself :)
[01:27] <Legendario> well...
[01:27] <Legendario> i live in Brazil
[01:27] <Legendario> i am graduated in performing arts
[01:28] <Legendario> but got interested about free software in college
[01:28] <Legendario> got vicius to it
[01:28] <Legendario> later on got closer to the loco team
[01:28] <Legendario> and ended up leadering it
[01:29] <pleia2> that's great
[01:29] <Legendario> right now I am at campus party brazil
[01:29] <Legendario> we are making a huge install fest here
[01:29] <pleia2> :)
[01:29] <greg-g> awesome
[01:29] <Legendario> campus-party.com.br
[01:30] <james78> That's pretty cool. Showing people the new opportunities and world of Ubuntu. :)
[01:30] <Legendario> in short that's it
[01:30] <Legendario> i guess my wiki page tells it a lot better
[01:30] <Legendario> I hope so
[01:30] <pleia2> yes, very good wiki page
[01:31] <Legendario> I am not alone here. The rest of the team is with me too
[01:31] <Legendario> they make a great work
[01:32] <greg-g> Legendario: yeah, teams make it all so much better
[01:32] <Legendario> ohhh, I've started a second bachelors degree in software development because of my relationship with free software
[01:32] <pleia2> cool
[01:32] <greg-g> Legendario: nice!
[01:32] <pleia2> [VOTE] Legendario membership
[01:32] <Legendario> greg-g, I just love it! It's pretty fun and rewarding
[01:32] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Legendario membership.
[01:32] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[01:32] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[01:32] <pleia2> +1
[01:32] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[01:33] <greg-g> +1 #great contributions and activity in the loco, wonderful testimonials
[01:33] <MootBot> +1 received from greg-g. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[01:33] <dudanogueira> +1
[01:33] <MootBot> +1 received from dudanogueira. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[01:33] <dinda> +1
[01:33] <MootBot> +1 received from dinda. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[01:33] <pleia2> [endvote]
[01:33] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[01:33] <pleia2> congrats and welcome, Legendario! keep up the great work! :)
[01:33] <greg-g> congrats and welcome aboard, Legendario !
[01:33] <pleia2> nobuto: are you here?
[01:33] <nobuto> yes.
[01:33] <Legendario> thank you guys! thanks a lot
[01:34] <dudanogueira> Legendario: welcome!! spread ubuntu at campus party!!!
[01:34] <pleia2> [TOPIC] nobuto membership
[01:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  nobuto membership
[01:34] <greg-g> go ahead and please introduce yourself, nobuto
[01:34] <nobuto>  * As a member of Japanese LoCo Team since August 2009, I attended FOSS events and made presentations to promote Ubuntu.
[01:34] <nobuto>  * I wrote articles about Ubuntu in Japan.
[01:34] <nobuto> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NobutoMURATA
[01:34] <Legendario> dudanogueira, don't you worry ;-)
[01:36] <pleia2> nobuto: wow, you do a lot of event work!
[01:36] <dudanogueira> yeah!!! we do need social people!!
[01:37] <nobuto> In a event, I met persia(Emmet Hikory). He suggested me to apply membership.
[01:38] <greg-g> cool, good ole persia.
[01:38] <greg-g> nobuto: I'm curious why you are applying in the America's review board instead of the Asia/Pacific one.
[01:38] <pleia2> I had no idea there was an ubuntu magazine japan
[01:39] <nobuto> Asia/Oceania membership meeting is not well held since October last year.
[01:39] <nobuto> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
[01:39] <pleia2> yeah, they've had trouble getting quorum
[01:39] <greg-g> nobuto: ahhhhhh, that makes sense :)
[01:39] <dudanogueira> nobuto: I can see you did some documentations on another website. Is it possible to write it on the ubuntu wiki?
[01:39] <greg-g> I'm sorry about that, nobuto.
[01:40] <nobuto> duanedesign: My domumentation is mainly in Japanese.
[01:40] <nobuto> Now my documentation is held in LoCo's wiki.
[01:41] <dudanogueira> oh, that's the loco wiki (http://gihyo.jp/admin/serial/01/ubuntu-recipe/0143)?
[01:41] <nobuto> sorry, no. wiki is https://wiki.ubuntulinux.jp/
[01:43] <pleia2> [VOTE] nobuto membership
[01:43] <MootBot> Please vote on:  nobuto membership.
[01:43] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[01:43] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[01:43] <nhandler> +1
[01:43] <pleia2> +1
[01:43] <MootBot> +1 received from nhandler. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[01:43] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[01:43] <dudanogueira> +1
[01:43] <MootBot> +1 received from dudanogueira. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[01:43] <dinda> +1
[01:43] <MootBot> +1 received from dinda. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[01:44] <greg-g> +1
[01:44] <MootBot> +1 received from greg-g. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[01:44] <pleia2> [endvote]
[01:44] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[01:44] <nhandler> Congratulations nobuto!
[01:44] <greg-g> congrats and welcome aboard, nobuto !
[01:44] <pleia2> congrats and welcome nobuto!
[01:44] <nobuto> Thanks!
[01:44] <dudanogueira> nobuto: be welcome!! and keep up the social part!! we really need it
[01:44] <pleia2> pabelanger: are you here?
[01:44] <pabelanger> Yes and good evening
[01:44] <pleia2> [TOPIC] pabelanger membership
[01:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  pabelanger membership
[01:45] <dudanogueira> Yeahhh! I LOVE Asterisk :)
[01:45] <pleia2> pabelanger: please introduce yourself :)
[01:45] <pabelanger> Hello, my name is Paul Belanger.  I currently live in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.  I'm a software developer for the open source project Asterisk and would like to help support Ubuntu-VoIP :)
[01:45] <nhandler> pabelanger: Any LoCo participation?
[01:46] <pabelanger> I've been using open source for the last 15years, Ubuntu specifically since 2007
[01:46] <pabelanger> nhandler: I attend a the local Ottawa Canada Linux User Group, but nothing local for Ubuntu.
[01:47] <dudanogueira> pabelanger: do you know about the AsteriskOnUbuntu initiative? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AsteriskOnUbuntu
[01:47] <pabelanger> I've been recently helping triage issue on the launchpad issue tracker and package upgrades.
[01:48] <pabelanger> duanedesign: Yes, I've seen it in the past and help test some of the existing packages before they were merged.  I would be more then happy to provide feedback and assistance with it.
[01:49] <Legendario> owww! I don't want to disturb the meeting but I told everybody on the list and the ones who made my testimonial that I had a surprise to tell
[01:50] <dudanogueira> yeah, I remember the asterisk-mysql had some bugs on it...
[01:50] <pabelanger> Ya, realtime support for the Asterisk package does need work.  Most SOHO users wouldn't need database access, however the realtime aspect is nice
[01:50] <Legendario> The news is that I'm going to me the new editor for linux new media brazil
[01:51] <Legendario> I'm going to work on linux magazine brazil and ubuntu user brazil
[01:51] <pleia2> pabelanger: what would you say is your biggest contribution directly to ubuntu thus far?
[01:51] <dudanogueira> Legendario: that's very good!! Congrats!!! Is this Rafael's Peregrino Magazine?
[01:52] <Legendario> so, I believe ubuntu will be in good hands... ;-). dudanogueira , that's exactly it
[01:52] <pabelanger> pleia2: Bug triage, my experience with upstream Asterisk allows me to quickly triage issues.
[01:53] <pabelanger> as well as end user support on IRC.
[01:53] <nhandler> pabelanger: What is the polybeacon team?
[01:54] <pabelanger> nhandler: A test, I was trying to get familiar with launchpad. I used it a few months ago to repack some asterisk packages.  I was attempting to add better realtime packaging for Asterisk.
[01:55] <pabelanger> nhandler: I didn't fully understand the concept of PPAs then
[01:56] <greg-g> pabelanger: so you were working on updating packages for asterisk, does that mean you have submitted debdiffs for inclusion or something similar?
[01:58] <pabelanger> greg-g: Correct,  I'm working on Asterisk 1.8 packaging locally.  With the plan to convert it to use bzr-buildpackaging.   I'd also like to start creating daily-builds, similar to chromium.
[01:58] <greg-g> pabelanger: have you thought about working with MOTU to get updates to asterisk directly in Ubuntu?
[01:59] <pabelanger> greg-g: Yes, that is the next step.  I want to help make the Ubuntu VoIP team more active: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-voip
[02:00] <dudanogueira> pabelanger: Humm. I would love to have it in order to update AsteriskOnUbuntu :)
[02:00] <pleia2> pabelanger: obviously you do amazing work with asterisk (thank you, I use it on debian :)), but I think I'd like to see a bit more Ubuntu specific work that you've mentioned you have interest in before supporting membership
[02:00] <pabelanger> dudanogueira: for sure
[02:01] <pabelanger> pleia2: Understood, if more active contributions for Asterisk in Ubuntu are needed...
[02:02] <greg-g> pabelanger: I have to agree with pleia2, that is why I was asking about the MOTU/debdiff work. I would love to see you breath some new life into the VOIP/AsteriskOnUbuntu teams.
[02:04] <pabelanger> greg-g: No problem.  Let me do that first and reapply
[02:04] <pleia2> great, thanks for all the triaging work you do!
[02:04] <pleia2> udienz: are you here?
[02:04] <greg-g> pabelanger: awesome, I do really appreciate all your hard work. You're a great asset to the larger FLOSS community
[02:04] <udienz> pleia2, yup
[02:04] <dudanogueira> pabelanger: that's great! I have an old computer sitting around with a X100P (I know, it's bad), and I'll update AsteriskOnUbuntu to 1.8 as soon as I have the time and the packages are available :)
[02:05] <pleia2> [TOPIC] udienz membership
[02:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  udienz membership
[02:05] <udienz> Hi my name is Mahyuddin Susanto, i come from Surabaya, Indonesia. I'm graduated from Electrical Engineering.
[02:05] <udienz> im Loco stuff in Ubuntu Indonesia as known as www.ubuntu-id.org, but having trouble with servers and domain. we (i) have contacted canonical/loco board/rt.ubuntu.com yet and we (i) still waiting for next action. i'm administrator in Loco Servers and administrator in other Loco Stuff.
[02:05] <pabelanger> greg-g: thanks
[02:05] <pabelanger> dudanogueira: keep an eye out
[02:05] <udienz> in past time, i'm Ubuntu member, but i forget to apllied again. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/06/10/%23ubuntu-meeting.html. since 2 month i try to applied again, but every membership meeting has been cancelled because lack of quorum or because limitted time
[02:05] <udienz> Since Maverick +1, i'm working in FTBFS fixing especially in DSO linker. i have uploaded ~40 packages in Ubuntu archive https://launchpad.net/~udienz/+uploaded-packages
[02:06] <pleia2> udienz: oh! since you were an ubuntu member we can just readd you :) no need for applying again
[02:06] <pleia2> welcome back
[02:06] <greg-g> yeah, and your contributions are pretty extensive
[02:07] <udienz> pleia2, greg-g thanks
[02:07] <nhandler> Congratulations udienz
[02:07] <dudanogueira> agreed. VERY extensive :)
[02:07] <udienz> nhandler, :) my pleasure
[02:07] <udienz> dudanogueira, thanks!
[02:07] <nhandler> Keep up the good work udienz
[02:07] <greg-g> welcome (back) aboard, udienz ! :)
[02:07] <dudanogueira> heeeeeeyyy, I know a big fan of claws-mail under ubuntu :)
[02:08] <udienz> nhandler, i'm looking forward to UBT team now
[02:08] <pleia2> Rafik: readded you, it even preserves your original membership date :)
[02:08] <pleia2> err udienz
[02:08] <pleia2> wow, tab faaail
[02:09] <greg-g> thanks to everyone for coming out tonight!
[02:09] <pleia2> thanks everyone!
[02:09] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[02:09] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 20:09.
[02:09] <dudanogueira> yeaaah, thanks! and congrats for the new members :)
[02:09] <james78> Congrats guys. :)
[02:09] <pleia2> james78: hope to see you again soon :)
[02:10] <james78> pleia2: Sure thing. :)
[02:14] <dudanogueira> bye all!!!
[02:15] <james78> Bye. I'll be back next time, hopefully with a few more endorsements. :D
[16:00] <seb128> hey
[16:01]  * marjo waves
[16:01] <apw> o/
[16:01] <jdstrand> o/
[16:01] <zul> hiyo
[16:02]  * joshuahoover waves
[16:02]  * charlie-tca observing
[16:03] <Daviey> o/
[16:03]  * victorp says hola
[16:03] <ogra> moop
[16:04] <cjwatson> hi
[16:05] <victorp> no skaet today?
[16:06] <cjwatson> oh, skaet said she was in .au and asked me to drive
[16:06] <cjwatson> but I'd forgotten about that, so give me a minute to prep
[16:07] <apw> there is a cat who must be executive platinum
[16:07] <cjwatson> apw: ...
[16:07] <cjwatson> oh, ISWYM now :)
[16:07] <apw> :)
[16:08] <cjwatson> #startmeeting
[16:08] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:08. The chair is cjwatson.
[16:08] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:08] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-01-21
[16:09] <cjwatson> Alpha-2 is just under two weeks away, and the 10.04.2 freeze has started; 10.04.2 is due in just under four weeks.
[16:09] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Action review
[16:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action review
[16:10] <cjwatson> most of these are skaet's, so can't usefully update on those
[16:10] <cjwatson> [leads] please scrub bugs for those that are needed for alpha 2, vs. ok later, so we can focus list
[16:10] <cjwatson> general reminder on this; I've been doing this today for foundations
[16:11] <cjwatson> Anyone have anything they need to add here?
[16:12] <cjwatson> (going, going, gone)
[16:12] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] QA team update - marjo
[16:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA team update - marjo
[16:12] <marjo>  * Natty Alpha 2 Work Items
[16:12] <marjo>  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-platform-qa-natty-alpha-2.html
[16:12] <marjo>  Good progress; hggdh & zul working on server work items
[16:12] <marjo>   * Bugsquad Roadmap: 'Add support information to bug reporting guidelines' Done. Workaround found to blocking bug http://launchpad.net/bugs/692787
[16:13] <marjo>  * weekly testing status:
[16:13] <marjo>  QA Dashboard
[16:13] <marjo>  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/qadashboard/qadashboard.html
[16:13] <marjo> Note: Unity and Ubiquity in top 5 with new bugs
[16:13] <marjo>  Desktop Automated Testing results
[16:13] <marjo> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/desktop-testing/natty/
[16:13] <marjo> Note: Over 260 test cases in 2D mode and over 240 in Unity mode
[16:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/desktop-testing/natty/
[16:14] <marjo> thx to jibel, pedro, hggdh2, patrickmw,bdmurray
[16:14] <marjo>  Server Automated Testing results
[16:14] <marjo>  http://<IP_ADDRESS>/view/ISO-server-Natty/?
[16:14] <marjo>  hggdh investigating the 2 failures
[16:14] <marjo>  * Bugs:
[16:14] <marjo>  692787 in Launchpad itself "unable to update Ubuntu bug reporting guidelines" Workaround found; work item was completed using the workaround.
[16:14] <marjo> ..
[16:14]  * cjwatson wonders what's going on with initramfs-tools new bugs; many of them have absolutely nothing to do with i-t
[16:14] <cjwatson> weird
[16:15] <apw> cjwatson, something to do with being a trigger perhaps ?
[16:15] <cjwatson> could be
[16:15] <cjwatson> marjo: was there any progress on making installer logs visible in the server test output?
[16:16] <jibel> cjwatson, that's a pb with console-setup and a missing /etc/default/keyboard
[16:16] <marjo> cjwatson: hggdh2 did some work on that at rally, but not done yet
[16:16] <cjwatson> jibel: that's fixed
[16:16] <cjwatson> and doesn't account for things like libreoffice bugs
[16:16] <marjo> cjwatson: but it looks doable
[16:17] <cjwatson> ok, any further questions?
[16:18] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - ara
[16:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Hardware Certification team update - ara
[16:18] <cjwatson> or maybe not ara
[16:18] <cjwatson> victorp?
[16:19] <victorp> me
[16:19] <victorp> This week we run into several issues during our weekly testing.
[16:19] <victorp> On servers, we found a bug in debian-installer introduced by a recent
[16:19] <victorp> change, that made the installation failed. We filed a bug:
[16:19] <victorp> [LINK]
[16:19] <victorp> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-partitioning/+bug/705377
[16:19] <victorp> and contacted the ubuntu-installer team. Colin Watson followed it up and
[16:19] <MootBot> LINK received:
[16:19] <victorp> found the root cause. He fixed the issue and it should be working in
[16:19] <victorp> today's ISOs.
[16:19] <victorp> On clients, we didn't get enough results and we are still investigating
[16:19] <victorp> the root cause. In one of the clients that didn't report back we did a
[16:19] <victorp> manual installation of the same daily image and it went OK. We are in the
[16:19] <victorp> process of collecting enough logs to raise a bug for Ubiquity.
[16:19]  * victorp giving people time to read
[16:19] <cjwatson> right, sorry about that regression
[16:19] <victorp> :)
[16:19] <victorp> all good
[16:20] <victorp> the problem with the client still not rca yet
[16:20] <victorp> we should have the bug raised before end of the day
[16:20] <victorp> might be related to how we use preseeds
[16:20] <cjwatson> yeah, I saw ara asking about that this morning
[16:20] <victorp> that is all from cert this week
[16:21] <cjwatson> as I said to her then, I'm not *aware* of fundamental preseeding changes, and if there are any that may well be a bug in itself
[16:21] <cjwatson> any questions?
[16:22]  * victorp thanks everyone for the weekly testing effort
[16:22] <cjwatson> victorp: oh, anything on bug 702166 (from the agenda)?
[16:23]  * victorp is checking
[16:24] <victorp> cjwatson - I am checking to make sure I dont get the bugs confused, let me get back to you on that
[16:25]  * ScottK is here now.
[16:25] <cjwatson> victorp: ok, no rush
[16:25] <cjwatson> can move on in the meantime
[16:25] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Security team update - jdstrand
[16:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security team update - jdstrand
[16:26] <jdstrand> hi
[16:26] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:26] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:26] <jdstrand> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-security.html
[16:26] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-security.html
[16:26] <jdstrand> Not a lot to report. This last week we have been focusing on stable release updates and have also been fixing security issues in natty. We either committed or fixed the few milestoned bugs from last week.
[16:26] <jdstrand> We have no milestoned features for alpha-2.
[16:26] <jdstrand> ..
[16:27]  * victorp says : bug seems a valid bug, cr3 will reply to apw on the bug comment
[16:27] <cjwatson> hah, amusing work item chart cliff there
[16:27] <jdstrand> yes :)
[16:27] <jdstrand> well, there were several pie in the sky items that shouldn't have been work items in the first place, so we cleaned that up
[16:28] <jdstrand> pie in the sky is probably overstated-- more natty+1
[16:29]  * cjwatson nods
[16:29] <cjwatson> any questions?
[16:30] <cjwatson> thanks jdstrand
[16:30] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Kernel team update - apw
[16:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel team update - apw
[16:31] <jdstrand> sure
[16:31] <apw> o/
[16:31] <apw> Overall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for the release milestone is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:
[16:31] <apw> NOTE: as code-hosting is down currently some of the graphs may be several hours out of date!
[16:31] <apw> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:31] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-natty-alpha-2.html
[16:31] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-natty-alpha-2.html
[16:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:31] <apw> We are progressing on our natty-alpha-2 items, some of the natty-alpha-1 items remain but we continue to close them.  The remaining pushed out items are listed with background on the overall status above (first link).  Overall burndown we are still below the line, so we still hope to be able to catch up.
[16:31] <apw> Of the bugs called out on the agenda, a few are now basically fixed:
[16:31] <apw> #542660, #600453, and #681877 are all stalled waiting on a v2.6.38-rc1 based kernel to test (see below);
[16:31] <apw> #539467 has been passed to desktop for implementation;
[16:31] <apw> #605042 has been reproduced further testing requested;
[16:31] <apw> #621195 benign message suppressed for Natty, Fix Committed;
[16:31] <apw> #630748 experimental firmware looking better but not yet fixed, waiting on Intel;
[16:31] <apw> #636091 affects maverick live environment, requested natty testing;
[16:31] <apw> #682617 is confirmed as a pulseaudio issue, moved there;
[16:31] <apw> #686692 memory size prevented ec2 instance start, bug found and patches pushed upstream and to natty, Fix Committed;
[16:31] <apw> and #702166 has truncated bug output, requested information.
[16:32] <apw> The main distro kernel remains at v2.6.37, we will remain on this version for a couple of weeks while the early 2.6.38 release candidates shake out.  We are working on getting a v2.6.38-rc1 based kernel which will boot on both 32 and 86 bit systems in preparation for upload once stable.
[16:32] <apw> ..
[16:32] <cjwatson> 86-bit :-)
[16:32] <apw> heh oops
[16:33] <cjwatson> anyone have questions?
[16:34] <cjwatson> thanks
[16:34] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Foundations team update - cjwatson
[16:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations team update - cjwatson
[16:34]  * cjwatson switches hats
[16:34] <cjwatson> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html
[16:34] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html
[16:34] <cjwatson> Good feature progress at the rally; very little visible progress since then unfortunately (although mvo's been at another sprint, and a lot of the remaining work items are his).  Several of the in-progress items are nearing completion though.
[16:34] <cjwatson> Interesting feature progress this week that isn't showing up:
[16:34] <cjwatson>  - LibreOffice -> natty
[16:35] <cjwatson>  - evaluating multiple test rebuilds, including one for gcc-4.6 (http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20110111-gcc-natty.html)
[16:35] <cjwatson>  - fixed some of the graphical boot problems identified at the rally
[16:35] <cjwatson>  - processing review feedback on upstart override handling
[16:35] <cjwatson>  - started on upstart job visualisation work
[16:35] <cjwatson>  - working on setting up easily snapshottable btrfs snapshots in installer by default
[16:35] <cjwatson> skaet asked about the milestoned bugs on the agenda last week, and we didn't have much to report.  By way of amends, we've been doing a bit better this week:
[16:35] <cjwatson> Alpha-2 bugs:
[16:35] <cjwatson> 675347: in progress upstream (Linaro)
[16:35] <cjwatson> 680328: can't reproduce, asked for test sequence
[16:35] <cjwatson> 684052: Evan said at the rally that this would be easy; poked him again
[16:35] <cjwatson> 684703: have checked with doko, although I think this has been worked around; marked incomplete for now
[16:35] <cjwatson> 686263: looks to me like only ubuntu-mir members can get anywhere with this; commented asking for clarification
[16:35] <cjwatson> Alpha-3 bugs:
[16:35] <cjwatson> 664276, 664397: no status at this time; will ask Barry about it after alpha-2
[16:35] <cjwatson> 691671: patch doesn't fix the bug; Evan has followed up saying so; needs more work, marked for alpha-3
[16:35] <cjwatson> Beta-1 bugs:
[16:35] <cjwatson> 553745: still no information, as Scott said previous attempts to fix have made it worse; won't rush this one, so pushed to beta-1
[16:35] <cjwatson> 645818: this should be tractable, but we released maverick with this so pushed to beta-1
[16:36] <cjwatson> 671016: just a website change now, pushed to beta-1
[16:36] <cjwatson> 690873: can safely be left for beta-1 at this point, per its milestone
[16:36] <cjwatson> Unmilestoned bugs:
[16:36] <cjwatson> 684083: can't reproduce on my nvidia hardware, asked reporter to confirm; could be system-specific
[16:36] <cjwatson> Four other bugs fixed or marked won't fix since the last meeting (see the agenda).
[16:36] <cjwatson> (I've not triggered ubottu on those to save your scrollback buffers)
[16:36] <cjwatson> we are now one staff member down, so bear with us :-(
[16:36] <cjwatson> that's all, any questions?
[16:37] <cjwatson> all right, I get off easy then
[16:37] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Server team update - zul
[16:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server team update - zul
[16:37] <zul> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:37] <zul> Hi, the trend line for the burndown charts pretty good and we are just a little behind the trend line. Alot of progress has been made this week. Cobbler is now in the archive, and Eucalyptus has a solution for a FTBFS to be uploaded this week. Daviey would like some help from the foundations for the axis2c ftbfs fix. Clint has been working with the foundations on bug Bug #672177. Notable outstanding bugs this week:
[16:37] <zul> 697105 - apache2 - Segfault on POST (in progress)
[16:37] <zul> 684875 - cloud-init - Patch to Natty 2.6.37-virtual breaks non EC2 kernels
[16:37] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:37] <zul> 656646 - cloud-init - transient network/keyscan issues
[16:37] <zul> thats all any questions?
[16:37] <zul> ...
[16:38] <apw> that cloud-innit thing, what was the config change ?
[16:38] <zul> i think so
[16:39] <zul> i havent been able to talk smoser today
[16:39] <cjwatson> ok, I'll find somebody to help you out with axis2c, although doko has pointed the way somewhat already it seems
[16:39] <doko> zul: I sent feedback about axi2c
[16:39] <cjwatson> is doko's feedback enough, or do you need more?
[16:40] <zul> doko: great...ill talk to daviey about it then
[16:40] <cjwatson> (it was two weeks ago)
[16:40] <Daviey> \o/
[16:41] <Daviey> doko, hmm, where did you send it?
[16:41] <cjwatson> Daviey: it's in the bug?
[16:41] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/axis2c/+bug/600174/comments/13
[16:43] <cjwatson> ok, let's move on
[16:44] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Desktop team update - pitti
[16:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop team update - pitti
[16:44] <cjwatson> or not pitti
[16:44] <cjwatson> seb128?
[16:44] <seb128> hey
[16:44] <cjwatson> (sorry, am c&ping from last week's log
[16:44] <cjwatson> )
[16:44] <seb128> yeah, pitti is travelling back today
[16:44] <seb128> he was at the GNOME hacking fest in prague this week
[16:44] <seb128>
[16:44] <seb128> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:44] <seb128> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team.html
[16:44] <seb128> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team-natty-alpha-2.html
[16:44] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:44] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team.html
[16:44] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team-natty-alpha-2.html
[16:44] <seb128> Weekly update:
[16:44] <seb128> * New unity and indicator stack ported to gdbus landed, some issues but things are mostly working
[16:44] <seb128> * LibreOffice landed in natty this week (thanks doko)
[16:44] <seb128> * Decided to stay on GNOME 2.32 for natty, GNOME3 will be packaged in a ppa and land next cycle
[16:45] <seb128> 683100: known compiz issue (should be dx?)
[16:45] <seb128> 676166: need investigation
[16:45] <seb128> 684704: Riddell said he will have a look
[16:45] <seb128> 685682: dx issue being worked
[16:45] <seb128> 688776: should be sponsoring today
[16:45] <seb128> 688861: need investigation
[16:45] <seb128> 690461: known dx,compiz issue
[16:45] <seb128> 691671: need investigation
[16:45] <seb128> 692665: being worked, the langomatic issue has been fixed
[16:45] <seb128> 692823: known dx,compiz issue
[16:45] <seb128> 693073: known dx,compiz issue
[16:45] <seb128> 696527: libreoffice issue, need work
[16:45] <seb128> 704770: build issue that still need to be worked
[16:45] <seb128> 705572: being investigated
[16:45] <seb128>
[16:46] <seb128> that's all from me, questions?
[16:46] <cjwatson> glad we're not the only team swamped in bugs :)
[16:46] <seb128> ;-)
[16:46] <seb128> though to be fair most of ours are due to dx :p
[16:46] <cjwatson> do you know what's happening about the libreoffice size issues?  I saw chatter on IRC the other day about that, but didn't see a resolution
[16:46]  * seb128 runs away from dbarth__
[16:46] <doko> about 696527: the CD size issue is fixed. the Human icons not
[16:46] <dbarth__> seb128: it'll be my turn
[16:46] <seb128> doko, ok, thanks
[16:47] <dbarth__> soon
[16:47] <seb128> cjwatson, seems doko knows better about those
[16:47] <seb128> see his comment
[16:47] <cjwatson> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ is still massively oversized, though it failed to build today I think
[16:47] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ is still massively oversized, though it failed to build today I think
[16:48] <ogra> move to arm, ours are only 470M big ... Loffice will fit easily :)
[16:48] <cjwatson> hm, no, it failed on amd64, but i386 built this morning and is 66MB oversized
[16:48] <doko> cjwatson: yes, libreoffice-l10n was just accepted, you could retry a rebuild in about 1h
[16:48] <cjwatson> ah, ok, I'll just let cron do it tomorrow then
[16:48] <cjwatson> thanks
[16:48] <cjwatson> any other questions?
[16:49] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team - joshuahoover
[16:49] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu One Team - joshuahoover
[16:49] <joshuahoover> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/NattyReleaseStatus
[16:49] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/NattyReleaseStatus
[16:49] <joshuahoover> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/NattyReleaseStatus
[16:49] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/NattyReleaseStatus
[16:49] <joshuahoover> oops
[16:49] <joshuahoover> details on where we're at with blueprints and releases are in the link above
[16:49] <joshuahoover> work on improving syncdaemon performance continues, with resumable uploads finishing up this week...this means when you have that large file uploading and sync gets disrupted (sleep, lost net connection, etc.) u1 will continue the transfer where it last left off once it's connected again
[16:50] <joshuahoover> unity integration work started in earnest this week, along with work on u1 notifications
[16:50] <joshuahoover> we should have some new packages up next week to show off some of this work :-)
[16:50] <joshuahoover> and that's about it
[16:50] <joshuahoover> ..
[16:51] <cjwatson> nice work on the bug list, judging from the agenda
[16:51] <cjwatson> any questions?
[16:52] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team update - Riddell
[16:52] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kubuntu Team update - Riddell
[16:52] <Riddell> hi
[16:52] <Riddell>  * packagers now have KDE SC 4.6 tars, ninjas are jumping into action
[16:52] <Riddell>  * some arm issues to investigate, qtwebkit, kdesdk
[16:52] <Riddell>  * 15 bugs I've milestoned for alpha 2, they won't all make it, but we can try http://goo.gl/yGhJd
[16:52] <Riddell>  * most important bugs are a couple of ubiquity issues I'll look at once KDE packaging is done
[16:52] <Riddell>  * progress being made on todo list but slowly https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[16:53] <cjwatson> keyboard selector broken: wonder if that's my fault, it probably is :-/
[16:54] <cjwatson> I can have a look at that one
[16:55] <cjwatson> any other questions?
[16:56] <cjwatson> Riddell: oh, skaet put a note on the agenda saying "status update needed?" for http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/kubuntu-dev.html - is that a remotely useful list, or does it need pruning?
[16:56] <cjwatson> I suppose that's mostly Kubuntu/Todo/Natty
[16:57] <Riddell> yeah, I prefer to just look at the todo page directly
[16:57] <Riddell> but there's probably tidying up to be done
[16:58] <Riddell> give me an action item if you like :)
[16:58] <cjwatson> mkay
[16:58] <cjwatson> [ACTION] Riddell to clean up kubuntu-dev work items chart
[16:58] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Riddell to clean up kubuntu-dev work items chart
[16:58] <cjwatson> thanks
[16:58] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth
[16:58] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth
[16:59] <dbarth> hi
[16:59] <dbarth> the weekly notes are at the usual place: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/NattyReleaseStatus
[16:59] <dbarth> quick summary
[16:59] <dbarth> we barely on the trend line, but reasonnably so
[17:00] <dbarth> unity, bamf releases this week again: the places are back!
[17:00] <dbarth> partly, ie the homescreen is there, which is really a lot of the places view infrastructure being back into unity
[17:00] <dbarth> no real, decisive progress on the compiz bugs however
[17:01] <dbarth> despite all the efforts sam and others put into trying to narrow down the stacking order issues
[17:01] <marjo> dbarth: what's blocking you on compiz bugs progress?
[17:01] <dbarth> at least we know 0.9 was broken since a long time, and it's window stack is really inconsistent compared to what the xserver knows
[17:01] <dbarth> we know how to reproduce
[17:02] <dbarth> we don't know why the de-synchromixzation is so important
[17:02] <dbarth> actually, we spot issues since the very start of compiz and can't say then why the different signals we're getting don't result in the same resync that 0.8 is doing
[17:02] <marjo> dbarth: so, you're continuing root cause analysis, it seems
[17:02] <dbarth> we've tried porting a couplpe of late 0.87 fixes, but there is a more fundamental problem
[17:03] <dbarth> correct
[17:03] <marjo> dbarth: ack & good luck
[17:03] <dbarth> unity foundations: mostly a release to integrate fixes required for the appmenu XUL work from chrisccoulson
[17:04] <dbarth> qa, we've put some initial efforts into stopping the bug count to rise
[17:04] <dbarth> and we know have a plan discussed within the team and with desktop / platforom to improve reactivity
[17:05] <dbarth> we have a couple of bugs fixes in flight:
[17:05] <dbarth> 683100: inprogress
[17:05] <dbarth> 685682: inrpogress
[17:05] <dbarth> 692823: inprogress
[17:05] <dbarth> 690461: inprogress
[17:05] <dbarth> 693073: inprogres
[17:05] <dbarth> 657771: postponed
[17:05] <dbarth> 637827: inprogresse
[17:05] <dbarth> 683065: not started
[17:05] <dbarth> 689179: postponed
[17:05] <dbarth> 695638: inprogress
[17:05] <dbarth> 628727: invalid
[17:05] <dbarth> 676166: invalid
[17:05] <dbarth> 526642: invalid
[17:05] <dbarth> 684193: fixed
[17:05] <dbarth> and a couple of xies and invalid bugs as well, from the release team radar
[17:06] <dbarth> ...
[17:06] <dbarth> ie, that's it for me
[17:06] <dbarth> questions?
[17:06] <cjwatson> (xies?)
[17:06] <dbarth> ?
[17:06] <cjwatson> 17:05 <dbarth> and a couple of xies and invalid bugs as well, from the release team radar
[17:07] <cjwatson> I was wondering what xies meant
[17:07] <dbarth> fixes, sorry
[17:07] <cjwatson> oh!  right, entirely failed to autocorrect in my head :)
[17:07] <cjwatson> ok, thanks
[17:07] <dbarth> that's DX for fixing bugs ;)
[17:07] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] ARM team update - ogra
[17:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM team update - ogra
[17:07] <ogra> me !
[17:07] <ogra> Status is at:
[17:07] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[17:07] <ogra> ..
[17:07] <ogra> Summary:
[17:07] <ogra>  * Images are building again since today \o/
[17:07] <ogra>  * Half the team was busy over the rally and this week to get unity-2d packaging in shape (we added a new spec for this to track work)
[17:08] <ogra>  * Kernel is still 2.6.35 for OMAP 4, TI planning to push a 2.6.38 tree later on
[17:08] <ogra>  * Mainline Kernel for OMAP 3 is integrated in the images now
[17:08] <ogra>  * Only some WI work was done during sprint and this week due to various interceptions
[17:08] <ogra>  * Maverick kernel SRU testing is going on
[17:08] <ogra>  * A segfault we found in unity-2d seems to be arm specific (bug is below)
[17:08] <ogra>  * For full unity-2d integration we are waiting for the new unity-places API to land and for some code rework of the unity-2d team for the new indicator framework
[17:08] <ogra>  * unity-2d MIRs will be filed early next week, we hope to get them on the A2 images in time.
[17:08] <ogra>  * FTBFS: haskell is heavily being worked on.
[17:08] <ogra>  * Improvement and debugging work on the GLES drivers for OMAP  is going on hand in hand with TI
[17:08] <ogra> ..
[17:08] <ogra> Specs:
[17:08] <ogra> New Spec: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/unity-2d-integration
[17:08] <ogra> Entire status: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-arm.html
[17:08] <ogra> Milestone: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-arm-natty-alpha-2.html
[17:08] <ogra> ..
[17:08] <ogra> Serious Bugs:
[17:08] <ogra> Bug 705689
[17:08] <ogra> Bug 633227
[17:09] <ogra> thats all for arm
[17:10] <cjwatson> thanks - any questions?
[17:11] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] MOTU team update - ScottK
[17:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU team update - ScottK
[17:12] <ScottK> Hello.
[17:12] <ScottK> Nothing significant to report.
[17:12] <ScottK> Work on the usual transitions/updates is ongoing.
[17:12] <ScottK> ...
[17:12] <cjwatson> heh, short and sweet :)
[17:12] <cjwatson> any questions?
[17:14] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Linaro update - JamieBennett
[17:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Linaro update - JamieBennett
[17:16] <cjwatson> or anyone else?
[17:16] <cjwatson> OK, guess Linaro folks are busy or finished for the week :)
[17:16] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] AOB
[17:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[17:18] <cjwatson> OK, I guess not, thanks everyone!
[17:18] <cjwatson> #endmeeting
[17:18] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:18.
[17:22] <marjo> cjwatson: thx!
[17:22] <ogra> thanks cjohnston
[17:22] <ogra> err
[17:22] <ogra> cjwatson,
[17:22] <apw> cjwatson, thanks :)
[19:26]  * JackyAlcine trolls a bit.
[19:58] <JackyAlcine> UndiFineD: We're holding it here, no?
[19:58] <UndiFineD> yes
[19:58] <CensoredBiscuit> Hello everyone
[19:58] <JackyAlcine> Kkay, I just can't tell if everyone is here.
[19:58] <MrChrisDruif> Hai CensoredBiscuit :)
[19:59] <bedahr> hi everybody
[19:59] <CensoredBiscuit> I added my name as chair :3
[19:59] <JackyAlcine> Alright, CensoredBiscuit. I hope you know how to use MootBoot.
[19:59] <CensoredBiscuit> No
[19:59] <CensoredBiscuit> I don't
[19:59] <JackyAlcine> It's not too hard; I'll show you.
[20:00] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot
[20:00] <JackyAlcine> charlie-tca: you're the man.
[20:00] <CensoredBiscuit> Let the page load and we'll begin
[20:00] <JackyAlcine> ;invite meetingology
[20:01] <CensoredBiscuit> Are you ready?
[20:01] <JackyAlcine> o.
[20:01] <JackyAlcine> *o/
[20:01] <CensoredBiscuit> is that a yes?
[20:01] <JackyAlcine> yes.
[20:01] <CensoredBiscuit> #startmeeting
[20:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 14:01. The chair is CensoredBiscuit.
[20:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[20:02] <CensoredBiscuit> Well,
[20:02] <CensoredBiscuit> First thing on the agenda is to vote to delay to 11.10
[20:02] <MrChrisDruif> hajour isn't even here...
[20:02] <JackyAlcine> Wait, true.
[20:02] <CensoredBiscuit> ;invite hajour
[20:02] <UndiFineD> hold a sec for her
[20:02] <JackyAlcine> CensoredBiscuit: DragonEyes isn't here, neither.
[20:03] <UndiFineD> she is having irc trouble
[20:04] <MrChrisDruif> JackyAlcine: DragonEyes isn't here because this is an official Ubuntu channel...
[20:04] <CensoredBiscuit> Welcome hajour
[20:05] <hajour> thank you sorry for delay.
[20:05] <DanteAshton> Hello everyone...
[20:05] <CensoredBiscuit> shall we continue now
[20:05] <techgeek_squared> Hello Dan
[20:05] <MrChrisDruif> Hai DanteAshton :)
[20:05] <UndiFineD> yes please
[20:05] <hajour> hai DanteAshton
[20:05] <MrChrisDruif> Please do CensoredBiscuit :)
[20:06] <CensoredBiscuit> very well
[20:06] <CensoredBiscuit> the first thing on the agenda is the vote to delay to 11.04
[20:06] <CensoredBiscuit> before heading to the vote is there any thoughts on this?
[20:06] <bedahr> CensoredBiscuit: yes, a quick one
[20:06] <UndiFineD> well, it is a bit short time to have a release ready for 11.04
[20:07] <bedahr> this is still all about the original speech-control plans, right? or has this already been "merged" with the wintremute project?
[20:07] <CensoredBiscuit> So you don't even think 11.04 is possible UndiFineD
[20:07] <JackyAlcine> bedahr: Not as of yet.
[20:07] <bedahr> (sorry if this is a dumb question)
[20:07] <bedahr> ok
[20:07] <bedahr> JackyAlcine: thanks
[20:07] <JackyAlcine> bedahr: No, I would have asked the same, I think I blurred it a bit too much.
[20:08] <JackyAlcine> I can see libopenmary being ready by mid-cycle of 11.04.
[20:08] <CensoredBiscuit> So if we merged with Wintermute it would take longer
[20:08] <tenach> Perhaps 11.10 release?
[20:08] <CensoredBiscuit> what about delaying to 11.10?
[20:08] <JackyAlcine> CensoredBiscuit: yes, A bit more.
[20:08] <phillw> I think 11.10 is a realistic target
[20:08] <JackyAlcine> Wintermute may not be avialable *officialy* for 11.04 or even 11.10, but there will be betas and alphas.
[20:09] <CensoredBiscuit> lets open the vote to 11.10?
[20:09] <UndiFineD> yes
[20:09] <JackyAlcine> Don't ask, do so; you're the chair.
[20:09] <phillw> yes
[20:09] <pedro3005> Isn't there another python programmer in the team? Kinda sucks to do it all alone
[20:09] <CensoredBiscuit> [vote] Delay release to be 11.10 not 11.04?
[20:09] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Delay release to be 11.10 not 11.04?.
[20:09] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[20:09] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[20:09] <JackyAlcine> pedro3005: I've been scraping up a bit of Python learning online.
[20:09] <UndiFineD> +1
[20:09] <MootBot> +1 received from UndiFineD. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[20:09] <JackyAlcine> +1
[20:09] <MootBot> +1 received from JackyAlcine. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[20:09] <CensoredBiscuit> +1
[20:09] <MootBot> +1 received from CensoredBiscuit. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[20:09] <phillw> +1
[20:09] <MootBot> +1 received from phillw. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[20:09] <hajour> +1
[20:09] <pedro3005> +1
[20:09] <MootBot> +1 received from hajour. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[20:09] <MootBot> +1 received from pedro3005. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[20:10] <bedahr> +1
[20:10] <MootBot> +1 received from bedahr. 7 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 7
[20:10] <MrChrisDruif> +0
[20:10] <MootBot> Abstention received from MrChrisDruif. 7 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 7
[20:10] <CensoredBiscuit> the voting has :30
[20:10] <CensoredBiscuit> [endvote]
[20:10] <MootBot> Final result is 7 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 7
[20:11] <CensoredBiscuit> let the record show development release is now set for 11.10
[20:11] <JackyAlcine> Alright, making a note of that.
[20:11] <phillw> pedro3005: I'll see if I can kidnap you another python programmer, but you will know more than I do.
[20:11] <pedro3005> JackyAlcine, I commend your effort.. I should do the same about C++
[20:11] <CensoredBiscuit> next on the agenda is a vote on the mentoring program
[20:11] <phillw> *more of them*
[20:12] <CensoredBiscuit> [topic] Mentoring program
[20:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Mentoring program
[20:12] <CensoredBiscuit> Who has information on this topic?
[20:12] <pedro3005> JackyAlcine, Do you think it would be best if I worked on learning C++ and we left python alone?
[20:12] <JackyAlcine> Hold on until the development section, pedro3005 or perhaps a PM.
[20:12] <pedro3005> ok, sorry.
[20:13] <CensoredBiscuit> thank you JackyAlcine
[20:13] <CensoredBiscuit> now we're discuissing the mentoring program
[20:13] <MrChrisDruif> What is this Mentoring Program about? Anyone?
[20:13] <CensoredBiscuit> I have no details on this program.
[20:13] <UndiFineD> noone knows ?
[20:13] <UndiFineD> then skip topic
[20:13] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: under the UBT realignment
[20:13] <CensoredBiscuit> very well
[20:13] <pedro3005> heh
[20:13] <CensoredBiscuit> next topic,
[20:13] <pedro3005> someone make something up on the spot
[20:14] <CensoredBiscuit> [topic] Cleaning up the speechcontrol wiki
[20:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Cleaning up the speechcontrol wiki
[20:14] <phillw> people can become mentors when recommended by recognised team leaders.
[20:14] <hajour> i don't no wo have put it in.i was looking but with webbrowser my notebook screen freeze
[20:14] <phillw> oh, well, forget it, then :(
[20:14] <hajour> no phillw talk
[20:14] <UndiFineD> phillw: we move it to next meeting
[20:14] <CensoredBiscuit> The speechcontrols wiki is looking rather clustered and unupdated
[20:15] <UndiFineD> oh hajour :)
[20:15] <CensoredBiscuit> We need awesome admin people to keep on top of it
[20:15] <hajour> i am reeading go on phillw
[20:15] <DanteAshton> I'm awesome...but my admin skills are a bit rubbish :P
[20:15] <hajour> CensoredBiscuit, ^
[20:16] <phillw> In the speech control team we have mentors and masters from UBT, this will allow teams to work together
[20:16] <hajour> give phillw time to speak
[20:16] <CensoredBiscuit> So Lets attempt to get it cleaned up by next months meeting
[20:16] <CensoredBiscuit> Very well,
[20:16] <phillw> one easy example is that Daniel is now working with Daniel
[20:16] <CensoredBiscuit> do we need to back up topic-wise
[20:16] <pedro3005> we need to let phillw speak :p
[20:17] <MrChrisDruif> CensoredBiscuit: Maybe change the topic back?
[20:18] <phillw> CensoredBiscuit: I'm awaiting some time with cproffit to get the header altered on the page. We did have it scheduled, but there was an 'issue' with an ex admin from here.
[20:18] <MrChrisDruif> Is this about the wiki phillw?
[20:18] <CensoredBiscuit> Understood,
[20:18] <CensoredBiscuit> phillw, lets go back to the mentoring program
[20:19] <CensoredBiscuit> since I understand there was more to that
[20:19] <CensoredBiscuit> [topic] Mentoring Program
[20:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Mentoring Program
[20:19] <UndiFineD> alright, so we can mentor some people, who is up for the task ?
[20:19] <phillw> he has made the three new headers that we need, but we have not had chance to get things progressed
[20:20] <JackyAlcine> Define 'mentoring'.
[20:20] <CensoredBiscuit> Mentoring of new members I imagine
[20:20] <CensoredBiscuit> kinda like UBT
[20:21] <CensoredBiscuit> since the same people who run UBT do speechcontrol, for the most part
[20:21] <phillw> UBT is an area where people who want to give something back to the Ubuntu family are given help to achieve it. Take a tour of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/MissionStatement and ask on here or #ubuntu-beginners-team for more information.
[20:21] <JackyAlcine> Not sure if I'm capable enough to mentor as of yet.
[20:21] <JackyAlcine> Still have things to learn.
[20:21] <MrChrisDruif> Mentor is someone who is skilled in a specific job (programming C++/Python, packaging or wiki work)
[20:21] <phillw> JackyAlcine: that is exactly why the mentoring process exists.
[20:22] <pedro3005> okay
[20:22] <CensoredBiscuit> So a programming mentorship?
[20:22] <pedro3005> is there anyone here who is capable of mentoring?
[20:22] <tenach> JackyAlcine: I'm a mentor and I've got a ways to learn myself.
[20:22]  * tenach is a mentor
[20:22] <phillw> hiyas tenach
[20:22] <tenach> Hello phillw
[20:22] <hajour> o/ tenach
[20:22] <tenach> o7 hajour
[20:22] <JackyAlcine> tenach: =] I guess I could bring people about Web programming, that I can teach confidiently. And C#.
[20:22] <CensoredBiscuit> I think we should at this time open a vote to start a speechcontrol mentorship program
[20:23] <UndiFineD> i have already taken on MrChrisDruif
[20:23] <pedro3005> wait, wait.
[20:23] <tenach> Hold on.
[20:23] <pedro3005> What exactly are we mentoring on?
[20:23] <hajour> first let phillw tell more
[20:23] <pedro3005> I suppose the objective of speech control mentoring is to mentor about development/maintaining speech control
[20:24] <phillw> the UBT council have said that accessibility and speechcontrol come under 'development' area
[20:24] <UndiFineD> i think that is right pedro3005
[20:24] <pedro3005> So general programming should be left to beginners-dev
[20:25] <CensoredBiscuit> So therefore what is there to mentor
[20:25] <phillw> by entering the UBT project, those wishing to learn more will have excellent people to help them.
[20:26] <hajour> i think to take skilled people into speechcontrol and students .but we already did only then its more official right?
[20:26] <phillw> including some scarily awesome programmers :)
[20:26] <CensoredBiscuit> but doesn't UBT have the whole mentring thing covered?
[20:27] <phillw> hajour: yes, it is a way of ensuring people think about accessibility as they learn.
[20:27] <pedro3005> exactly my point, this mentoring should be restricted to speech control topics.
[20:27] <UndiFineD> great plan :)
[20:27] <tenach> It makes more sense to me to have UBT take care of mentoring and have this as a project people can work on in that system..?
[20:27] <CensoredBiscuit> So are we ready to have a vote?
[20:27] <hajour> i think its a great plan
[20:27] <tenach> Scratch that, pedro3005 said it better. :)
[20:28] <CensoredBiscuit> [vote] Starting a speech control mentoring program
[20:28] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Starting a speech control mentoring program.
[20:28] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[20:28] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[20:28] <MrChrisDruif> I agree with pedro3005 and tenach :)
[20:28] <phillw> +1
[20:28] <MootBot> +1 received from phillw. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[20:28] <UndiFineD> +1
[20:28] <MootBot> +1 received from UndiFineD. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[20:28] <CensoredBiscuit> +0
[20:28] <MootBot> Abstention received from CensoredBiscuit. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[20:28] <pedro3005> +1
[20:28] <MootBot> +1 received from pedro3005. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[20:28] <MrChrisDruif> If it's going to be like those two said...
[20:28] <bedahr> +0
[20:28] <MootBot> Abstention received from bedahr. 3 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 3
[20:28] <MrChrisDruif> +1
[20:28] <MootBot> +1 received from MrChrisDruif. 4 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 4
[20:28] <JackyAlcine> +1
[20:28] <MootBot> +1 received from JackyAlcine. 5 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 5
[20:28] <hajour> i think  to and accessibility and speechcontrol because its both s
[20:29] <hajour> +1
[20:29] <MootBot> +1 received from hajour. 6 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 6
[20:29] <CensoredBiscuit> :30 left on the vote
[20:30] <CensoredBiscuit> [endvote]
[20:30] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 2 abstained. Total: 6
[20:30] <MrChrisDruif> CensoredBiscuit: agreed ;) ?
[20:30] <phillw> As this is a young project, we can work on the details.
[20:30] <CensoredBiscuit> Let the record show the members have voted to start a mentor ship program
[20:31] <JackyAlcine> phillw, true enough.
[20:31] <CensoredBiscuit> should we discuss
[20:31] <CensoredBiscuit> who to put in charge of it next meeting
[20:31] <MrChrisDruif> CensoredBiscuit: Use [agreed] I think...
[20:31] <JackyAlcine> CensoredBiscuit: That's towards the end of the meeting.
[20:31] <hajour> but its volunteer its not something everyone must do from the team
[20:31] <CensoredBiscuit> very well
[20:32] <CensoredBiscuit> next topic
[20:32] <JackyAlcine> CensoredBiscuit: yeah [agreed] to soldify results.
[20:32] <hajour> only if the person self it wants
[20:32] <CensoredBiscuit> [topic] Licensing
[20:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Licensing
[20:32] <RainCT> Hey
[20:32] <UndiFineD> hey RainCT
[20:32] <hajour> hai RainCT
[20:32] <phillw> hi RainCT
[20:33] <MrChrisDruif> So now we skip Documentation? :-/
[20:33] <RainCT> Sorry, just got home (well, actually I arrived 15 minutes ago but Debian decided it wants to check the disk for errors -.-. I should really disable those checks)
[20:33] <JackyAlcine> Well, someone's a celebrity. lol
[20:33] <CensoredBiscuit> We already discuiss documentation?
[20:33] <MrChrisDruif> CensoredBiscuit: Partly...
[20:33] <UndiFineD> documentation is already a W.I.P.
[20:33] <hajour> CensoredBiscuit, i  think some wants to tell more about documentation
[20:33] <JackyAlcine> Well, lol.
[20:33] <CensoredBiscuit> anways
[20:33] <CensoredBiscuit> lets go back
[20:34] <CensoredBiscuit> [topic] documentation
[20:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  documentation
[20:34] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: when myself and cproffit get some quality time together, we will put the new headers on and start to split the pages.
[20:34] <phillw> he has already created them
[20:35] <MrChrisDruif> phillw: Alright, I didn't know that. I already started a bit on that :)
[20:35] <CensoredBiscuit> the pages do seem cluttered
[20:35] <UndiFineD> well we can split so topics from the current pages
[20:35] <UndiFineD> *some
[20:35] <phillw> CensoredBiscuit: that is because we have not had chance to start splitting them
[20:35] <UndiFineD> heh
[20:36] <CensoredBiscuit> very well.
[20:36] <JackyAlcine> How about a spot for blueprints?
[20:36] <JackyAlcine> Just a wish :)
[20:36] <CensoredBiscuit> there is the proposed adition of a developmental page
[20:36] <MrChrisDruif> phillw: Shall I continue with it or leave you and Charles to it?
[20:36] <UndiFineD> alright weĺl make room for that
[20:37] <phillw> UndiFineD: exactly that, but Myself and cproffit need a bit of time to edit the current accessibility header into speechcontrol, we are making progress :)
[20:37] <UndiFineD> ok :)
[20:37] <CensoredBiscuit> the blueprints would be on the development page wouldn't it be?
[20:37] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: charles has already made the new headers.
[20:38] <UndiFineD> CensoredBiscuit: the blueprints are on LP
[20:38] <CensoredBiscuit> so then why do we need them on wiki?
[20:38] <JackyAlcine> They usually want a link to a Wiki with more information.
[20:38] <phillw> CensoredBiscuit: for the speechcontrol header :D
[20:38] <CensoredBiscuit> ahh so link the header to LP?
[20:39] <UndiFineD> so the wiki blueprints are for further details
[20:39] <JackyAlcine> Something like that.
[20:39] <CensoredBiscuit> very well,
[20:39] <JackyAlcine> ^^ yeah
[20:39] <CensoredBiscuit> now lets move to licensing?
[20:39] <CensoredBiscuit> [topic] Licensing in GPL
[20:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  Licensing in GPL
[20:39] <UndiFineD> yes
[20:39] <hajour> so the bleuprints come on the wiki
[20:40] <CensoredBiscuit> We are going to license the project in GPL
[20:40] <UndiFineD> good choice which version ?
[20:40] <CensoredBiscuit> the agenda does not state
[20:40] <MrChrisDruif> 3
[20:40] <MrChrisDruif> It's on the wiki
[20:40] <CensoredBiscuit> verywell
[20:40] <phillw> hopefully this should be quick... As the licence is now on the speechcontrol wiki page, that allows the team to retain copyright, others to alter the code and commercial companies cannot steal it
[20:41] <MrChrisDruif> Atleast, the logo from 3 is on it...
[20:41] <JackyAlcine> We're licensing every bit of code that SpeechControl produces under the GPL3 license.
[20:41] <CensoredBiscuit> I think GPL 3 is indeed the way to go.
[20:41] <RainCT> GPLv3 or GPLv3+?
[20:41] <bedahr> the distribution restrictions on the development code only apply to wintermute, not speech-control, right?
[20:42] <CensoredBiscuit> I believe that is correct bedahr
[20:42] <phillw> RainCT: we're on GPLv3
[20:42] <JackyAlcine> bedahr: Define 'restrictions'.
[20:42] <strikeu> JackyAlcine: how about LGPL for libs ?
[20:43] <UndiFineD> strikeu: no, one licence
[20:43] <phillw> strikeu: the GPL people really do not like LGPL, it cuts down on collabaration.
[20:43] <CensoredBiscuit> one license would be a lot less work to implement
[20:44] <bedahr> JackyAlcine: your mail said that the code (for, I'm presuming, wintermute) was not to be made public
[20:44] <RainCT> CensoredBiscuit: Uhm, how so? It wouldn't make a difference.     I agree with GPL being better than LGPL though.
[20:44] <JackyAlcine> bedahr: In its intial stages, yes.
[20:44] <strikeu> heh
[20:44] <JackyAlcine> bedahr: That'll be explained.
[20:44] <hajour>  GPLv3 was good i have informed
[20:44] <CensoredBiscuit> Verywell
[20:45] <JackyAlcine> hajour decided.
[20:45] <CensoredBiscuit> lets move on to the listing of our projects
[20:45] <CensoredBiscuit> [topic] Listing Of Projects
[20:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  Listing Of Projects
[20:46] <JackyAlcine> Alright.
[20:46] <CensoredBiscuit> The current projects I know of are Simon Listens, Julius and Wintermute
[20:46] <CensoredBiscuit> but I'm probably going to let JackyAlcine have this part
[20:46] <JackyAlcine> So far, SpeechControl's primary concern has been getting the Java-based TTS engine, openMary to be more Linux-friendly.
[20:47] <bedahr> (For the record: The software project is called "simon" - "simon listens" is the non-profit organization behind it)
[20:47] <MrChrisDruif> Java based...yagh
[20:47] <JackyAlcine> that's under the libopenmary, python-openmary and speechcontrol-daemon
[20:48] <JackyAlcine> speechcontrol-daemon's a special project to be ventured because it'll intergrate voice recognition into the Linux Speech API.
[20:48] <CensoredBiscuit> So is there anyone here who can list the projects and there attendees?
[20:48] <JackyAlcine> CensoredBiscuit: I'm doing so.
[20:48] <CensoredBiscuit> okay then.
[20:48] <JackyAlcine> Wintermute's another project that'll be discussed in a few moments that'll will be one of the larger goals and pursuits of SpeechControl Developers.
[20:49] <phillw> we have 10 minutes left.....
[20:49] <JackyAlcine> We'll have to move it to #ubuntu-speechcontrol then.
[20:49] <JackyAlcine> BUT I'm done with this section.
[20:50] <CensoredBiscuit> Lets go to the progress on simon listens
[20:50] <CensoredBiscuit> or just sim
[20:50] <CensoredBiscuit> simon*
[20:50] <CensoredBiscuit> [topic] Simon
[20:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  Simon
[20:50] <UndiFineD> the suggestion to discuss winitermute in #ubuntu-speechcontrol seems fine :)
[20:50] <DanteAshton> *heads there*
[20:50] <CensoredBiscuit> are you wanting to further contine the meeting in speech control JackyAlcine
[20:50]  * techgeek_squared also heads there
[20:51] <JackyAlcine> Yes, CensoredBiscuit but after we end here.
[20:51] <CensoredBiscuit> very weel
[20:51] <CensoredBiscuit> anyone have any word on the development of Simon
[20:51] <UndiFineD> bedahr: ?
[20:51] <bedahr> yes
[20:51] <JackyAlcine> bedahr: I've been keeping up with your blog; congrats. :D
[20:52] <phillw> use the devs area while you people discuss dev issuues, It is why it is there :)
[20:52] <bedahr> well to be honest I have been pretty swamped this last couple of weeks (university) but I think it's RainCT who you want to talk to anyways
[20:52] <bedahr> RainCT: Was there any progress on the patches
[20:52] <RainCT> Not yet, I've just finished exams.
[20:53] <CensoredBiscuit> So not much progress on Simon?
[20:53] <CensoredBiscuit> anyways lets move on to Julius
[20:53] <bedahr> no but again, there aren't any real open todos on simon anyways in my opinion?
[20:54] <bedahr> aside from packaging I don't have anything on my todo list related to speechcontrol
[20:54] <bedahr> have I forgotten anything?
[20:54] <CensoredBiscuit> Nope
[20:54] <JackyAlcine> bedahr: Aside from that, no.
[20:54] <JackyAlcine> bedahr: You're clear ;]
[20:54] <CensoredBiscuit> okay lets move on to Julius
[20:54] <bedahr> JackyAlcine: :D
[20:55] <CensoredBiscuit> topic] Julius Development
[20:55] <CensoredBiscuit> [topic] Julius Development
[20:55] <MootBot> New Topic:  Julius Development
[20:55] <CensoredBiscuit> any word on Julius?
[20:56] <JackyAlcine> I've taken a pick at the software; god do I regret doing that.
[20:56] <JackyAlcine> It's not too user-friendly upon install and first configuration.
[20:56] <JackyAlcine> And such issues can be fixed with approriate tools.
[20:56] <MrChrisDruif> JackyAlcine: So that would need to improve?
[20:57] <JackyAlcine> Greatly.
[20:57] <CensoredBiscuit> we're gonna need to move the meeting to #ubuntu-speechcontrol
[20:57] <CensoredBiscuit> but quickly before we do
[20:57] <MrChrisDruif> CensoredBiscuit: Suggestion: just go there?
[20:57] <UndiFineD> next meeting time and chair ?
[20:57] <CensoredBiscuit> would you all like to discuss the details of next meeting?
[20:57] <JackyAlcine> lol
[20:58] <CensoredBiscuit> [topic] next meeting
[20:58] <MootBot> New Topic:  next meeting
[20:58] <CensoredBiscuit> I think It should be a saturday
[20:58] <JackyAlcine> O.o THIS Saturday?
[20:58] <UndiFineD> no
[20:58] <UndiFineD> :)
[20:58] <JackyAlcine> *whew*
[20:58] <hajour> no not this Saturday
[20:58] <CensoredBiscuit> how about Feb 19  UTC 20:00
[20:58]  * strikeu this is madness
[20:59] <CensoredBiscuit> hows that?
[20:59] <JackyAlcine> In the DEV channel (#ubuntu-speechcontrol-devs); we're out of time.
[20:59] <CensoredBiscuit> end meeting?
[20:59] <strikeu> yeah I'm going play sc2
[20:59] <hajour> talking futher in #ubuntu-speechcontrol-devs
[20:59] <CensoredBiscuit> #endmeeting
[20:59] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 14:59.
[21:00] <hajour> thanks for doing the chair CensoredBiscuit
[21:00] <JackyAlcine> cheers to CensoredBiscuit. o/


[00:32] <slick666> hello all
[00:33] <slick666> I'm working with some friends on hosting an ubuntu presentations and install fest
[00:33] <slick666> there are a couple of us together and we're trying to brainstorm ideas to bing in the community
[00:34] <slick666> I was hoping the IRC channel might have some ideas for us to start with
[00:37] <elky> slick666, you're probably better off getting in contact with your LoCo and asking other LoCos to share their experiences
[00:41] <slick666> we're working with them
[00:42] <slick666> the channel is really quiet right now
[00:42] <slick666> I'll keep trying though
[00:53] <elky> there is #ubuntu-locoteams which I note you're not in.
[00:55] <slick666> ty


[02:48] <tsimonq2> is there a list of packagesets and packages that belong to those packagesets somewhere?
[02:49] <tsimonq2> I also wonder if I can use the Launchpad API to look at that...
[05:52] <pitti> Good morning
[05:52] <Unit193> Howdy.
[05:53] <pitti> apw: FYI, I reopened bug 1626436, -17 still boots a lot slower than 4.4 and with high loads; although a lot less severe than the previous -14
[06:07] <didrocks> good morning pitti!
[06:10] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ça va ?
[06:12] <didrocks> pitti: ça va bien, et toi ? :)
[06:13] <pitti> didrocks: je vais bien aussi; salutations de Berlin, je reste chez larsu :)
[06:13] <didrocks> pitti: oh, c'est vrai ! Dis-lui bonjour de ma part :)
[06:14] <pitti> didrocks: je vais le faire, merci ! (il encore dort)
[07:52] <pitti> happyaro1, cyphermox: I didn't get around to creating a NetworkManager DNS plugin for resolved this cycle, got diverted by too many other things; at this point I'd just revert NM back to using dnsmasq, like we had before; is that ok for you?
[10:51] <tsimonq2> pitti: morning, could you please take another look at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-devel/2016-September/000824.html ?
[10:51] <tsimonq2> (afair you said you would take a look today)
[11:06] <sil2100> cjwatson_: hey! I was wondering - there's such a strange situation we have right now in -proposed, ubuntu-keyboard 0.100+16.10.20160921-0ubuntu1 is there but the binary for ubuntu-keyboard-data for this version is not, even though it was not removed or anything
[11:06] <sil2100> cjwatson_: tested in an yakkety-proposed amd64 chroot with apt-cache policy and even launchpad acts strangely here
[11:07] <sil2100> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/yakkety/+package/ubuntu-keyboard-data <- this only shows the old version
[11:07] <sil2100> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/yakkety/+package/ubuntu-keyboard <- while here's the main ubuntu-keyboard binary from -proposed
[11:07] <sil2100> cjwatson_: do you know what could be the cause of it?
[11:07] <sil2100> cjwatson_: does it mean someone removed the binaries from -proposed?
[11:10] <cjwatson_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/yakkety/amd64/ubuntu-keyboard-data is more useful
[11:11] <cjwatson_> that says it was superseded by ubuntu-keyboard 0.100+16.10.20160921-0ubuntu1
[11:11] <cjwatson_> er, wait, what
[11:11] <cjwatson_> this may have been a race of some kind, let me dig through logs a bit
[11:11] <sil2100> Strangeness I see, 0.100+16.10.20160921-0ubuntu1 should have ubuntu-keyboard-data but it doesn't, even though on the LP build page I see it being generated
[11:12] <sil2100> This also basically blocks ubuntu-keyboard and unity8 in -proposed
[11:12] <sil2100> Since, yeah, the autopkgtests can't run since it can't install ubuntu-keyboard-data for the -proposed ubuntu-keyboard, since the binaries are not there! ;)
[11:13] <cjwatson> there are two copy records here which suggests something like a double-override accident
[11:14] <sil2100> uh, sounds scary
[11:15] <sil2100> Thanks for looking into that!
[11:16] <Mirv> @pilot in
[11:17] <cjwatson> certainly seems to have been copied rather a lot
[11:17] <cjwatson> celeryd-production_launchpad_job.log-20160923.gz:[2016-09-22 15:37:07,396: INFO/Worker-1] Running <PlainPackageCopyJob to copy package ubuntu-keyboard from ~ci-train-ppa-service/ubuntu/1974, RELEASE pocket, in ubuntu yakkety to ubuntu, PROPOSED pocket, in ubuntu yakkety, including binaries> (ID 33200448) in status Waiting
[11:17] <cjwatson> celeryd-production_launchpad_job.log-20160923.gz:[2016-09-22 22:45:27,787: INFO/Worker-2] Running <PlainPackageCopyJob to copy package ubuntu-keyboard from ~ci-train-ppa-service/ubuntu/1974, RELEASE pocket, in ubuntu yakkety to ubuntu, PROPOSED pocket, in ubuntu yakkety, including binaries> (ID 33204726) in status Waiting
[11:17] <cjwatson> celeryd-production_launchpad_job.log-20160924.gz:[2016-09-23 23:46:15,121: INFO/Worker-1] Running <PlainPackageCopyJob to copy package ubuntu-keyboard from ~ci-train-ppa-service/ubuntu/1974, RELEASE pocket, in ubuntu yakkety to ubuntu, PROPOSED pocket, in ubuntu yakkety, including binaries> (ID 33200448) in status Waiting
[11:17] <cjwatson> celeryd-production_launchpad_job.log-20160924.gz:[2016-09-23 23:46:16,081: INFO/Worker-3] Running <PlainPackageCopyJob to copy package ubuntu-keyboard from ~ci-train-ppa-service/ubuntu/1974, RELEASE pocket, in ubuntu yakkety to ubuntu, PROPOSED pocket, in ubuntu yakkety, including binaries> (ID 33204726) in status Waiting
[11:18] <sil2100> Oh!
[11:18] <sil2100> I think I was doing the copy, and I remember that it hanged on the last package
[11:18] <sil2100> Like, the copy-package script
[11:18] <sil2100> I think I aborted and re-run again, but that should cause 2 copies at max I guess?
[11:19] <sil2100> Since the bileto publish job was busted I had to publish some packages manually through copy-package
[11:19] <cjwatson> the first two of those copies were suspended, i.e. held in UNAPPROVED
[11:19] <sil2100> (I feel so bad since it might have been me that busted things)
[11:19] <cjwatson> so I think you did a double copy, both ended up in the queue
[11:20] <cjwatson> then when they were accepted, two copies of the same package were accepted simultaneously (literally - two celery workers were processing those two copies in parallel)
[11:20] <cjwatson> and our locking isn't always what it could be
[11:20] <cjwatson> so, easy to fix, I'll just copy it over itself
[11:22] <cjwatson> done, should hopefully sort itself out in a bit
[11:23] <sil2100> cjwatson: thanks!
[11:24] <sil2100> Sorry for the commotion, I didn't know if the first run copied everything since it seemed hanged so I preferred to just do a second copy, as I didn't expect it to cause two entries in UNAPPROVED
[11:24] <sil2100> Now I know it's not so low-risk as I thought it is
[11:54] <ogra_> oh man ...
[11:55]  * ogra_ has a failed 14.04 -> 16.04.1 server upgrade and in the middle of sending the error report lp goes down ...
[11:55] <ogra_> must be my lucky day
[11:58] <ogra_> sigh
[11:58] <Laney> no bug here, move along
[12:01] <ogra_> oh man
[12:01] <ogra_> ogra@aleph:~$ sudo reboot
[12:01] <ogra_> sudo: reboot: command not found
[12:01] <ogra_> that ugrade went *really* wrong
[12:02] <ogra_> (it tried to do a lot of insserv stuff, re-ordering sysv scripts and so on ... )
[12:07] <ogra_> hmm, not even remotely a trace of systemd on that machine ...
[12:07] <ogra_> thats rather unexpected ... specifically since i used do-release-upgrade
[12:12] <Laney> Anyone know of a dpkg gotcha when replacing directories with symlinks? https://paste.debian.net/841984/
[12:12] <Laney> It becomes an empty directory instead of a symlink
[12:13] <Laney> Do I have to do it in postinst?
[12:14] <jamespage> Laney, I think there is a helper todo that
[12:14] <cjwatson> Laney: Yep, that's standard.  dpkg-maintscript-helper can help
[12:14] <cjwatson> (via dh_installdeb, probably)
[12:14] <cjwatson> dir_to_symlink
[12:14] <Laney> aha
[12:14] <Laney> Not sure I've come across this particular one before
[13:09] <Mirv> sil2100: are you landing the ubuntu-touch-meta part of bug #1625023 ? (asking with my patch pilot hat on)
[13:14] <cyphermox> pitti: no objections
[13:19] <Mirv> @pilot out
[13:23] <sil2100> Mirv: yeah, I'm on it
[13:24] <sil2100> Mirv: for now no action required there, we'll do the switch in the nearest days
[13:28] <Mirv> sil2100: ok
[13:41] <ogra_> oh sigh
[13:42]  * dholbach hugs Mirv
[13:42] <ogra_> pitti, so i just had my server eat itself completely doing a 14.04->16.04.1 do-release-upgrade ... i now have a ton of insserv complaints every time i use apt ... systemd wasnt installled at all ... grub ended up with only memtest in it ...
[13:42] <ogra_> pitti, can i just purge insserv ? iirc we dont need it
[13:42] <ogra_> (i just manually installed grub and systemd so i got at least back to ssh support)
[13:43]  * ogra_ thinks that was the worst ubuntu expirience he had yet ... just using official tools :(
[13:50] <pitti> ogra_: hm, you can purge insserv in 16.10, but not yet in 16.04; what did it say? some broken sysv script somewhere without LSB headers?
[13:50] <ogra_> pitti, about 200 lines every few seconds ...
[13:50] <ogra_> yeah, LSB header noise
[13:51] <ogra_> now that i got back to a working system (after installing grub by hand from an old 11.04 CD i had around since mini.iso from USB was to new for the BIOS on that old iron) i just noticed that dist-upgrade wants to still upgrade ~600 packages
[13:52] <ogra_> so i guess the insserv thing was caused by a half upgraded system ... i'll see that i get to normal first
[13:52] <ogra_> still pretty bad that do-release-upgrade can get you into such a state
[14:07] <pitti> Launchpad, where are thou
[14:20] <caribou> This may sound as a silly question, but what is the normal procedure to generate a _sources.changes file for a debian native package ? dpkg-genchanges -S ?
[14:22] <LocutusOfBorg> caribou, yes, I do that usually
[14:22] <LocutusOfBorg> actually -S -d
[14:22] <LocutusOfBorg> :)
[14:22] <LocutusOfBorg> and -sa when needed
[14:23] <caribou> LocutusOfBorg: good, thanks!
[14:23] <LocutusOfBorg> yw!
[14:24] <Mirv> sitter: note that this is coming from snappy newbie who is mostly having fun and learning the tool, but I started with https://github.com/tjyrinki/qt-ubuntu and it's available in edge channel (just not sure if any useful at the moment for anything). my main wish is to have a snap that contains the Qt as known in Ubuntu world (hence, "qt-ubuntu"), with all the patches we've wanted to cherry-pick or
[14:24] <Mirv> backport for our products.
[14:24] <cjwatson> pitti: network failure
[14:25] <ogra_> stuck in the cable ?
[14:28] <sitter> Mirv: seems reasonable. for KDE the current plan (really just vision) is to have an own Qt though to tighter control patches etc.
[14:30] <Mirv> sitter: right, mine can also be called mostly a vision at the moment. it's really up to how will the eventual needs seem to be - snap does allow a lot of flexibility in all directions, meaning not everyone needs to use the common one, but still eg snapcraft work can be shared
[14:31] <sitter> Mirv: agreed
[14:46]  * ogra_ glares at his sever removing config files for usplash
[14:47] <ogra_> hmm, i knew this install was old ... i wasnt aware *how* old actually
[15:00] <bdmurray> flexiondotorg: Is there a reason you mark bugs like bug 1601874 as Incomplete?
[15:01] <rbasak> !dmb-ping
[15:12] <flexiondotorg> bdmurray, When LP comes back I'll take a look.
[16:05] <ogra_> oooh ... LP is back (at least for the bug i just reloaded)
[16:06] <pitti> -ish (slow, but stuff is coming through)
[16:18] <pitti> smoser:
[16:18] <pitti> +Before=NetworkManager.service
[16:18] <pitti>  Before=network-pre.target
[16:18] <pitti> smb: that's a no-op and looks like some red herring
[16:19] <pitti> smb: ifupdown, NM, networkd, and similar things all run after network-pre.target (that's its purpose)
[16:19] <smb> smoser, ^
[16:19] <pitti> sorry, smoser ^
[16:20] <smoser> pitti, added for redhat
[16:20] <smoser> as you say, shoudl be a noop
[16:20] <smoser> right?
[16:21] <pitti> smoser: oh, is their NM not doing After=network-pre.target?
[16:22] <smoser> i think that network-pre.target is an ubuntu-ism, no?
[16:22] <pitti> no
[16:22] <pitti> both the target and NM.service are the upstream units
[16:22] <pitti> we don't have ubuntu specific targets
[16:23] <pitti> (well, in the systemd package -- obviously there are some from packages like cloud-init)
[16:24] <smoser> hm..
[16:24] <smoser> pitti, how'd you see this ?
[16:24] <pitti> smoser: doing yakkety unapproved queue review
[16:25]  * pitti felt like some punishment in the evening before dinner :)
[16:25] <pitti> also, the DC is coming back, so catching up with stuff
[16:25] <smoser> yea
[16:27] <pitti> smoser: so, as this shuldn't be different in RH I was just curious what it should do, and if there maybe is some "real" bug somewhere
[16:28] <smoser> pitti, want to join #cloud-init and see if harlowja will respond ?
[16:28] <smoser> he is who did this, and uses cent.
[16:29] <pitti> smoser: done; I'll be AFK for dinner RSN, but I'll get backscroll
[17:07] <nacc> coreycb: fyi, ftfbs from doko's last e-mail for cinder, I think it's because you need a build-dep on python-pep8 or python3-pep8 for the tests?
[17:07] <nacc> coreycb: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/285536781/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.cinder_2%3A9.0.0~b2-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[17:24] <coreycb> nacc, I think that is fixed by rc1 which is in proposed
[17:25] <nacc> coreycb: ack, thanks!
[17:29] <coreycb> nacc, yw, it is great when things are already fixed :)  btw that is stuck in proposed based on a few dependencies we're fixing up.
[17:31] <nacc> coreycb: np, i'm just trying to keep an eye on the  ubuntu-server ftbfs list
[17:53] <smoser> pitti, i would like your opinion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gce-utils/+bug/1627789
[18:09] <nacc> doko: for the ftbfs for libecap, i think the 3 symbols mentioned in https://launchpadlibrarian.net/285536159/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-i386.libecap_1.0.1-3ubuntu3_BUILDING.txt.gz (same for all the arch's build logs) are no longer present. `pkgkde-symbolshelper` parsing the build-log as input does seem to want to just elide those 3 -- but I'm inexperienced in this area?
[18:10] <bdmurray> flexiondotorg: so about bug 1601911 - why is it incomplete?
[18:12] <flexiondotorg> bdmurray, Reagarding 1601874 you mentioned ealier, it is from an old package from a PPA.
[18:14] <flexiondotorg> As for 1601911, I've never encountered it and can't reproduce it.
[18:16] <bdmurray> flexiondotorg: bug 1601874 also occurered with version <IP_ADDRESS> which is the Xenial version of the package...
[18:18] <bdmurray> flexiondotorg: I'm trying to understand why you marked a whole bunch of crash reports from the Error Tracker as Incomplete.  Its hard to tell just based off the bug.
[18:19] <flexiondotorg> bdmurray, The rationale for marking those bugs incomplete is we've spent about 5 days testing Ubuntu MATE Welcome.
[18:19] <flexiondotorg> The version in Xenial and the version we've been preparing for Yakkety.
[18:20] <flexiondotorg> None of the team were able to excercise Ubuntu MATE Welcome is such a way to cause those errors :-(
[18:21] <bdmurray> flexiondotorg: and what about engrampa or atril? e.g. this crash with 340 instances https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/bf4ee7bcedb2e9da402d6486d69fe3cf5fc783f7
[18:26] <flexiondotorg> bdmurray, I just requested access errors.ubuntu.com
[18:26] <bdmurray> flexiondotorg: Maybe we should mark the bugs as New then, rather than causing them to expire in 60 days?
[18:27] <flexiondotorg> bdmurray, Can you help me understand the correct way to interact with bugs I can't reproduce please?
[18:27] <flexiondotorg> OK, I can mark them New.
[18:28] <bdmurray> flexiondotorg: I think the first step would be to look at the crashes, let me give you access to errors.
[18:29] <bdmurray> flexiondotorg: Can you access this now? https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/bf4ee7bcedb2e9da402d6486d69fe3cf5fc783f7
[18:30] <flexiondotorg> Yes. Excellent!
[18:31] <bdmurray> flexiondotorg: So we can see a Stacktrace there which has details.  Those don't get put in the bug report since it might contain sensitive information.
[18:31] <bdmurray> flexiondotorg: If you look at the Occurences table there are links to the individual crash reports e.g. https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/2da4c81a-8358-11e6-8a94-fa163e30221b
[18:32] <bdmurray> flexiondotorg: That contains the apport crash report information like ProcCmdline which might be useful in recreating the crash
[18:32] <flexiondotorg> bdmurray, Thanks, this is great.
[18:33] <bdmurray> flexiondotorg: the version table can also be useful in determining which releases are affected, however just because you don't see it affecting Yakkety doesn't mean it won't.  There aren't a lot of yakkety users yet.
[18:33] <flexiondotorg> I thought I'd registered for errors before but that just let me manipulate the graphs.
[18:34] <bdmurray> That doesn't require any special permissions.
[18:39] <bdmurray> flexiondotorg: if you have any questions about the error tracker or feedback please let me know
[18:39] <flexiondotorg> bdmurray, Will do.
[18:46] <nacc> doko: looking at libpam-radius-auth ftbfs, but i'm not able to reproduce it.
[19:12] <nacc> doko: nm, PEBKAC for libpam-radius-auth, would still appreciate your input on libecap
[19:17] <nacc> doko: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23234756/ for libpam-radius-auth, does it look sane?
[19:27] <doko> nacc: I'll NMU that to Debian too, fabbione package ...
[19:27] <nacc> doko: ok
[19:28] <nacc> doko: so you'll handle both libpam-radius-auth and libecap?
[19:29] <doko> nacc: libecap, yes these destructor symbols are not part of the ABI
[19:29] <nacc> doko: ack
[19:31] <doko> nacc: are you able to upload libecap yourself? Not sure why we don't see that in Debian
[19:32] <nacc> doko: yeah, i can
[19:32] <nacc> doko: i just wanted to check with you first
[19:37] <nacc> doko: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23234825/ ? also, do you normally file a bug for every ftbfs so it's clear what the failure was?
[19:39] <doko> nacc: for Ubuntu? no, I gave up on this, because these bugs are then not rracked. maybe we should do that again for main for every package
[19:40] <nacc> doko: i have been filing them for myself so i have a place to link the logs
[19:40] <nacc> just wasn't sure if there as a 'best practice' already
[19:46] <doko> nacc, ahh, libecap in debian doesn't have symbols file ...
[19:46] <nacc> doko: yeah, i just realized it's a delta
[19:46] <nacc> doko: did the above debdiff seem reasonable?
[19:47] <nacc> i can upload now, if so
[19:53] <nacc> doko: i noticed that with libpam-radius-auth, it's orphaned in debian and we're on a different upstrema there too
[19:53] <jbicha> nacc: if you use the LP tag 'ftbfs', the bug will show up on http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/
[19:54] <nacc> jbicha: yep, i realized that last night, so i've been modifying them :)
[20:00] <nacc> doko: presuming you ack, i can upload both libecap and libpam-radius-auth for yakkety
[20:18] <nacc> doko: ok, llvm-toolchain-3.6 now :) -- seems like gcc 6.1/6.2 isn't provide gcc-6.1/gcc-6.2, but gcc-6? so do we need to adjust that regex to be 5|6?
[20:18] <nacc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23234972/
[20:51] <pitti> smoser: LP is oopsing on me again -- I guess I'll have a look tmw morning then
[20:51] <smoser> pitti, fair enough
[20:51] <smoser> thanks
[20:52] <pitti> smoser: hmm, https://launchpad.net/ works, but https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627789 oopses
[20:52] <pitti> smoser: can you open it?
[20:53] <smoser> no. it had worked earlier today
[20:53] <smoser> interestingly, the private one works :)
[20:54] <pitti> smoser: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gce-utils/+bug/1627789/+text also works -- I just cannot comment on that
[20:56] <pitti> smoser: looks ok to me; probably all the cloud-init-ish stuff should perhaps rather be installed into cloud-init.target than multi-user, but surely fine for an SRU
[20:58] <smoser> pitti, right, but i think they want to run even if cloud-init is not present.
[20:59] <pitti> smoser: oh, ok; then that looks right
[22:14] <doko> nacc: isn't 3.6 already fixed in Debian, and can be merged? but yes, this should be fixed the same way as in newer llvm's
[22:44] <nacc> doko: i'll check
[22:45] <nacc> doko: we're already merged to current llvm-toolchain-3.6 in debian
[22:45] <nacc> afaict
[23:29] <nacc> doko: it's https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=835582
[23:36] <nacc> doko: fyi, +1 on the idea of auto-opening ftbfs bugs for packages in main
[23:45] <lfaraone> is there anything I can do to help LP #1571456 (xenial SRU for glibc) get looked at? (waves at infinity :))
[23:52] <Odd_Bloke> barry: doko: Any idea what the status of bug 1443704 is?
[23:55] <doko> nacc: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=838945
[23:55] <doko> so once applied, this is syncable
[23:55] <nacc> doko: ack, i'll watch for it
[23:56] <nacc> doko: i went ahead and submitted the small patch for now, i hope that's ok -- and we can presumably sync once debian is updated
[23:56] <doko> barry: dropped, because I never had the time to finish it. feel free to pick it up again, but then maybe with the package/version from xenial
[23:57] <doko> Odd_Bloke: ^^^
[23:58] <nacc> doko: mako is a debian bug as well (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=830178)
[23:59] <Odd_Bloke> doko: I'm asking for someone else at a sprint; what approach were you taking to make it work?