[14:25] <minimal> Related to Issue #4603, I'm wondering why cloud.cfg.tmpl defines all those various groups for distros - if the distro needs them then I'd assume it should already create them.
[14:44] <falcojr> off the top of my head, I'm not sure. I need to do some digging
[23:21] <holmanb> minimal: https://blog.wikichoon.com/2020/09/virt-install-cloud-init.html
[23:22] <holmanb> minimal: I suppose it is probably worth documenting, that virt-installer uses nocloud by default, though I'm not certain where/how would be best
[23:24] <holmanb> note to self: #4608
[23:25] <holmanb> ubottu must be out on vacation
[23:35] <minimal> holmanb: don't forget that virt-manager is an optional frontend to libvirt (where virt-install comes from). I believe I saw someone had come up with a cloud-init mechanism for libvirt (not upstreamed though)
[23:44] <minimal> holmanb: here's a guide using virsh (part of libvirtd, not virt-manager) with NoCloud: https://earlruby.org/2023/02/quickly-create-guest-vms-using-virsh-cloud-image-files-and-cloud-init/
[23:45] <minimal> BTW I only recently realised that dhcpcd support was never actually integrated in cloud-init, just a "stub". I'd thought full support had gone in around the same time as udhcpcd
[23:47] <minimal> A lot of these 3rd party guides only mention meta-data and user-data files regarding NoCloud, with no mention of network-config whatsoever


[12:49] <superm1> Daviey, eek#?
[12:50] <Daviey> superm1: laga saying some OTA listings are only 3-4 days
[12:50] <superm1> but why the #?
[12:50] <Daviey> too close to the enter button.
[12:50] <superm1> haha
[12:50] <superm1> wait, too close to enter?
[12:50] <Daviey> sausages for fingers
[12:51] <superm1> your keyboards must be really funky
[12:51] <Daviey> yeah, lappy keyboard
[12:51] <Daviey>  - but has a numeric keypad aswell :/
[12:51] <superm1> Daviey, okay so what i wanted to discuss earlier
[12:51] <superm1> regarding seeds
[12:51] <Daviey> shoot
[12:51] <superm1> you read all of the back log ?
[12:52] <Daviey> not yet :(
[12:52] <Daviey> i skimed it earlier tho, with Hobsee
[12:52] <superm1> okay well here is what it will come down to
[12:52] <superm1> we want to branch from the ubuntu-archive seed
[12:52] <superm1> as in bzr branch URL blah
[12:53] <Daviey> yeah
[12:53] <superm1> and then we will push it up to our own branch for now until its ready to merge in
[12:53] <Daviey> erm, whats the technical difference?
[12:53] <superm1> and we want to use existing seeds (live, minimal, etc) as much as possible
[12:53] <superm1> we can bzr merge then
[12:53] <Daviey> to bzr co url1 then commit to another?
[12:53] <superm1> to update to new changes they have
[12:53] <superm1> if we bzr branch
[12:53] <superm1> rather than bzr co
[12:54] <Daviey> okay
[12:54] <Daviey> when is tribe3 due?
[12:55] <superm1> i'm not sure off hand
[12:55] <superm1> so all in all
[12:55] <superm1> the seed should be very straightforward
[12:55] <superm1> only use one or two files to calculate it
[12:55] <superm1> so no extra-apps
[12:55] <superm1> or anything like that
[12:55] <Daviey> oh
[12:55] <Daviey> why not?
[12:56] <Daviey> seemed the cleaner way
[12:56] <superm1> well because you organize within it
[12:56] <superm1> using = and ==
[12:56] <superm1> those are strictly for organization within a seed
[12:56] <Daviey> i wasn't exactly sure how the syntax of them worked
[12:57] <superm1> me either, that's why i asked joejaxx :)
[12:57] <superm1> basically when germinate runs
[12:57] <superm1> it strips all of the lines that don't start with " *"
[12:58] <Daviey> ahh, so they are *just* comments?
[12:58] <superm1> exactly
[12:58] <superm1> (at least for our purposes)
[12:58] <Daviey> they don't play any germinating purpose?
[12:58] <superm1> if they do, its related to the canonical build process, not to how we do it
[01:00] <Daviey> cool
[01:00] <superm1> also next item of business
[01:00] <superm1> all the config files and postinst /preinst /postrm scripts
[01:00] <superm1> pull them out
[01:01] <superm1> i'm going to submit a mythbuntu-default-settings with them in the appropriate places
[01:07] <superm1> hi sun-ping.  what brings you into #ubuntu-mythtv this evening?
[01:09] <sun-ping> Hi... Trying to build a Linux based HTPC .... Basically just looking around for any tips. For now Im reading at
[01:09] <sun-ping> mythtv.org ...
[01:10] <sun-ping> Hi! Trying to get some info about building a Linux based "HTPC"...
[01:10] <superm1> sun-ping, ah okay.  well if your looking to use mythbuntu to do it, it is currently at alpha 2.  if you would like to use ordinary Ubuntu however, we have a guide detailed for it
[01:10] <superm1> !mythtv | sun-ping
[01:10] <ubotu> sun-ping: MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[01:11] <sun-ping> Thanks ... (setting away for awhile)
[01:16] <superm1> laga, you still here?
[01:38] <Daviey> superm1_: any news on the mirror?
[01:38] <superm1_> yes
[01:38] <Daviey> my mirror has barely been used
[01:38] <superm1_> he mailed me an hour or two ago
[01:38] <superm1_> well we weren't dugg this time around
[01:38] <superm1_> for some reason or another
[01:39] <superm1_> the link he gave me is broke though, so i mailed him back
[01:39] <superm1_> waiting to hear again
[01:39] <Daviey> well i think we can safely add pegasys as a mirror now
[01:39] <superm1> pegasus, not sys :)
[01:39] <Daviey> meh
[01:39] <superm1> well i'll put all three as a list then
[01:40] <Daviey> we we can remove it just as easily
[01:40] <Daviey> I'm not suprised we haven't been dugg so much.  It's no longer a 'new' thing
[01:40] <superm1> well via the seeding
[01:40] <superm1> pegasus put out a few gigs
[01:40] <superm1> and so did my laptop
[01:42] <Daviey> no peers atm
[01:45] <superm1> Daviey, so you have a good understanding now re: the seeds
[01:45] <superm1> how things will need to be done
[01:46] <Daviey> think so, but still not confident what needs to be added/dropped
[01:46] <Daviey> only a build will tell :(
[01:47] <superm1> well hopefully nothing dropped
[01:47] <superm1> hopefully its all just adding
[02:11] <Daviey> superm1: mythweather is fixed in mythtv svn?
[02:11] <superm1> there is a different branch
[02:11] <superm1> that has a revamp
[02:11] <superm1> its fixed foru s though
[02:11] <superm1> in our gutsy release
[02:12] <superm1> and on the mythbuntu.org fixes weekly builds
[02:13] <Daviey> ah
[02:13] <Daviey> #mythtv-users was just saying it's broke and dunno when it will be fixed ;s
[02:13] <superm1> well we've got the fix from trac that switches it over to weather.com in
[02:14] <Daviey> ah
[02:35] <superm1> joejaxx, you here still?
[02:36] <joejaxx> yes
[02:36] <superm1> what about other tweaks to the live cd user only (for example adding desktop icons that idesk uses), should those also be packaged?
[02:36] <superm1> or can they be considered 'part of the build process'
[02:36] <joejaxx> if the regular users does not have that after they install
[02:37] <joejaxx> i would not package it
[02:37] <superm1> alright
[02:37] <superm1> did cjwatson ever point you at http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/debian-cd/ubuntu/ ?
[02:37] <superm1> thats apparently where the initial splash images for the disks are stored
[05:14] <superm1> keescook, you got a few minutes to look over a few things tonight?
[05:14] <superm1> i've got 3 items
[05:21] <OpenMedia> superm1: did you get some accommodation sorted?
[05:21] <superm1> OpenMedia, yup :)
[05:21] <superm1> Red Lion hotel
[05:21] <OpenMedia> Cool.
[05:22] <superm1> andrew also tested out his machine with a few hidef streams at once, appears to work out fine
[05:22] <superm1> so no need to lug your hardware across the pond :)
[05:22] <OpenMedia> Take a look at http://wiki.oreillynet.com/ubuntulive07/index.cgi?Socialising
[05:22] <OpenMedia> When do you get to Portland?
[05:23] <OpenMedia> superm1: No worries. Happy to make the offer. Been flat out with some customer changes recently anyway.
[05:23] <superm1> oooh microbreweries
[05:23] <superm1> thats what i like to read
[05:23] <OpenMedia> :)
[05:23] <OpenMedia> I'm on a diet now to make room.
[05:23] <superm1> hehe
[05:29] <superm1> joejaxx, actually one of them I Might have you look at too if you have a moment.  I set up the first incarnation of mythbuntu-default-settings.  I was going to model it off of xubuntu-default-settings, but opted to use cdbs instead: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5863
[05:29] <OpenMedia> superm1: Why does ubuntu follow the /var/lib/mythtv structure as standard for data. I always felt the Knoppmyth struction of /myth/* worked really well
[05:30] <superm1> linux standards base
[05:30] <superm1> is supposed to put it in /var
[05:30] <OpenMedia> I suppose /var/lib/mythtv could be a separate volume.
[05:31] <superm1> right
[05:31] <superm1> well thats if you want to do it that way
[05:31] <OpenMedia> Just working our a possible migration plan for myPVR from Knoppmyth -> Mythbuntu and there are some interesting bits like this one.
[05:31] <OpenMedia> Question is should we change, or keep our current standards.
[05:31] <superm1> well you can use symlinks
[05:31] <superm1> if you'd like to keep it that way
[05:31] <superm1> rather than have to force large changes
[05:32] <superm1> OpenMedia, did you grab alpha 2 to see how things are coming along?
[05:32] <OpenMedia> superm1: Not had a chance this week, Maybe this weekend. Need more Ram for my virtual box instances.
[05:33] <superm1> yea i bought another 512 for my laptop last month
[05:33] <superm1> for that exact reason
[05:33] <OpenMedia> Getting some 2Gb sticks for the test box.\
[05:34] <OpenMedia> Shame my Xen sandbox server is full. Not enough RAM slots
[05:34] <superm1> wow, planning on running multiple virtual box instances then?
[05:34] <superm1> 2gig sticks...
[05:38] <tgm4883_laptop> need help on a lirc problem on the forums if anyone has the time
[05:40] <superm1> that i2c/pvr 150 thread?
[05:40] <superm1> i've thought about it
[05:40] <superm1> and dont know what to say
[05:40] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[05:40] <superm1> been thinkign about it it for a whie now actually
[05:41] <OpenMedia> tgm4883_laptop: Care to let me know some of the details or a link.
[05:41] <tgm4883_laptop> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=487674
[05:43] <tgm4883_laptop> im thinking a complete removal of lirc would work
[05:44] <OpenMedia> tgm4883_laptop: You mention your build of the modules didn't work. Is that correct?
[05:45] <OpenMedia> Have you tried "locate lirc_pvr150.ko" on your box to see if the module has been compiled and installed correctly.
[05:45] <tgm4883_laptop> oh, not my problem, im trying to help the other guy
[05:45] <tgm4883_laptop> don't have the pvr150 remote hooked up anymore or I could help him more
[05:45] <OpenMedia> Ah I see.
[05:46] <OpenMedia> Sounds like the module isn't compiled/installed correctly.
[05:46] <OpenMedia> Once thats sorted I'd
[05:46] <OpenMedia> depmod -a
[05:46] <OpenMedia> and then modprobe lirc_pvr150 manually and see if there are any error messages
[05:47] <tgm4883_laptop> want me to respond with that or you want to respond yourself?
[05:48] <OpenMedia> Ok I'll do it... Hmmm now what was my forum login as its been a while...
[05:56] <OpenMedia> tgm4883_laptop: ok i've updated the forum.
[05:57] <tgm4883_laptop> thanks
[06:58] <foxbuntu> superm1: you in here?
[06:59] <superm1> yes
[06:59] <superm1> did you subscribe to the mailing list earlier
[06:59] <superm1> ?
[06:59] <foxbuntu> no
[06:59] <superm1> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-mythtv
[07:00] <foxbuntu> done
[07:01] <foxbuntu> anyways...I was just about to play with the colors on the logos that have been passed around
[07:01] <foxbuntu> white is too out there unless we switched the entire color scheme
[07:01] <OpenMedia> What my life really needs, another mailing list
[07:02] <superm1> foxbuntu, the entire scheme is more tailored towards darker shades
[07:02] <foxbuntu> superm1: is OpenMedia you as well?
[07:02] <superm1> huh?
[07:02] <foxbuntu> nm
[07:02] <foxbuntu> I know that you are going for the darker scheme...thus we have to find a color that works with black on screen
[07:03] <superm1> green or blue or yellow
[07:03] <superm1> are the big three
[07:03] <superm1> that will show up well without clashign too much
[07:04] <OpenMedia> foxbuntu: OpenMedia is OpenMedia ;)
[07:04] <foxbuntu> yea...I am thinking a gradiant through shades of blue from right edge to left
[07:04] <foxbuntu> sure sure
[07:04] <OpenMedia> Steven Ellis - developer of myPVR here.
[07:05] <foxbuntu> ah...nice to meet you, Nick Fox, a friend of superm1
[07:06] <foxbuntu> working on the art team on this project...and mainly breaking stuff
[07:07] <superm1> foxbuntu, hopefully the list will help you and the other guys communicate a bit better
[07:07] <superm1> i'll send a note to the others to join if they haven't already
[07:07] <foxbuntu> ok
[07:08] <foxbuntu> so are you on schedule for Alpha 2?
[07:09] <superm1> look at the topic :)
[07:11] <foxbuntu> oh nice
[07:11] <foxbuntu> early release
[07:11] <superm1> well we tried to track right behind tribe-2
[07:11] <superm1> which was released friday
[07:12] <superm1> foxbuntu, did you file that bug about alsa and your board?
[07:13] <foxbuntu> not yet...I need to get that done, prob tonight or tomorrow...just been dealing with alot of other things
[07:13] <foxbuntu> damn washer is totaly dead now
[07:27] <OpenMedia> foxbuntu: whats your board?
[07:28] <foxbuntu> a newer Gigabyte with the nForce4 Sli chipset
[07:28] <foxbuntu> I dont know the exact model off hand
[07:39] <foxbuntu> superm1: wow this laptop sucks with only 512 of ram
[07:45] <OpenMedia> foxbuntu: With Linux... Hmmm..
[07:45] <foxbuntu> no, this is my windows bo
[07:45] <foxbuntu> x
[07:45] <foxbuntu> the last one lest
[07:45] <foxbuntu> left*
[07:45] <foxbuntu> Im just being lazy tonight...dont want to leave my leather chair...lol
[07:47] <OpenMedia> Ah that explains the 512Mb issue
[08:34] <foxbuntu> superm1: you still around?
[09:42] <Vai_Ro> I have a question can someone link me to a good guide on howto install and add movies to mythvideo
[09:46] <Daviey> Vai_Ro: suod apt-get install mythvideo
[09:46] <Daviey> *sudo
[09:47] <Daviey> In the frontend settings you could store a location, but it defaults to /var....
[09:47] <Vai_Ro> oh lol thanks but i'm more interested in the adding movies to the databse
[09:47] <Daviey> Vai_Ro: import movies?
[09:47] <Daviey> myth does have an option to auto see new files in the location
[09:47] <Vai_Ro> useing the mythvideo plugin
[09:48] <Daviey> yeah
[09:48] <Vai_Ro> so i have to throw all my files into a single folder and point it there?
[09:48] <Daviey> but if you want to add pics & info you need to add it
[09:48] <Daviey> Vai_Ro: ideally, but you can also symlink items
[09:49] <Daviey> "info you need to add it" .... to the database
[09:49] <Daviey> And that's a case of scanning for new videos; that is an menu option
[09:51] <Vai_Ro> ok looks like i need to go back and rework my backend a bit
[09:52] <Vai_Ro> see i'm not trying to use the tv part of mythtv i just want it to playback what i have on my hard drive both music and movies
[09:53] <foxbuntu> thats pretty simple to just add them to the directory and make sure to have Myth index them through the Music/Video manager
[09:53] <foxbuntu> you can also do it over a network
[09:54] <foxbuntu> Music can be a little clunky yet as your Metadata on the music files needs to be in order
[09:55] <Vai_Ro> ok and how do i get mythtv to see that i have movies / music?
[09:55] <foxbuntu> the easiest way, and the way I do it, is just open the Video Manager and it will add everything that you have in the video directory
[09:56] <foxbuntu> same for music
[09:56] <foxbuntu> I suggest that you change the default video directory from /var tho
[09:57] <foxbuntu> mine is /mythtv/videos
[09:57] <foxbuntu> and /mythtv/music
[09:57] <foxbuntu> ect
[09:58] <foxbuntu> Vai_Ro: do you know where the Video Manager is?
[09:58] <Vai_Ro> ok I'm slowly getting there
[09:58] <Vai_Ro> frontend right?
[09:58] <foxbuntu> right, Setup > Video Manager
[09:59] <foxbuntu> you will also be able to add Meta information about the files via IMDB, if the files are named properly and they are production movies, it will get the DVD cover and info about the movie
[10:00] <foxbuntu> or if your file names are off you can just go search from them at imdb.com
[10:00] <foxbuntu> and give MythTV the IMDB #
[10:01] <Vai_Ro> ok i went into the video manager and it said there was no videos there
[10:01] <foxbuntu> ok, then you dont have them in the right directory
[10:01] <foxbuntu> or no videos are in there
[10:01] <Vai_Ro> and where can i set my directory?
[10:03] <foxbuntu> Setup > Media Settings > Videos Settings > General
[10:03] <Vai_Ro> and is that the backend or the front?
[10:03] <foxbuntu> frontend
[10:04] <foxbuntu> after you have your backend up and running you should have to do very little interaction with it
[10:04] <Vai_Ro> thanks a bunch
[10:04] <foxbuntu> the frontend controls the backend
[10:05] <foxbuntu> make sure to create a new directory for the location you want to put the videos and music
[10:05] <foxbuntu> and give permissions so that mythtv can access it
[10:06] <Vai_Ro> yep now will it reckagnize multiple folders?
[10:06] <foxbuntu> only if they are inside of the folder you give it
[10:06] <foxbuntu> so for example
[10:06] <foxbuntu> I have /mythtv/videos
[10:06] <Vai_Ro> like /home/xyz/movies
[10:07] <foxbuntu> I have /mythtv/videos/someshow
[10:07] <keescook> superm1: sorry, I'm in the UK atm, so we're a bit out of sync.  :)
[10:07] <foxbuntu> and you can browse to that from inside mythtv as long as everything resides inside of /mythtv/videos
[10:08] <Vai_Ro> cool cool
[10:08] <foxbuntu> or whatever folder you would like to use
[10:08] <Vai_Ro> sounds like i've got alot of work to do though
[10:08] <foxbuntu> should be pretty quick
[10:09] <foxbuntu> create the folder (mkdir /somedir_for_vidoes
[10:09] <foxbuntu> chmod 777 /somedir_for_videos
[10:09] <foxbuntu> then go into that menu and set the video directory to /somedir_for_vidoes
[10:09] <foxbuntu> and your ready to add videos
[10:10] <foxbuntu> just move them into that dir and then run the video manager to index them
[10:11] <Vai_Ro> yep added videos just fine reckagnizing the file types diffrent story lol
[10:11] <foxbuntu> shouldnt have much of an issue there
[10:11] <foxbuntu> it supports the big ones
[10:11] <foxbuntu> xvid/divx/wmv/avi/mpeg
[10:12] <foxbuntu> and I am prob missing some
[10:13] <Vai_Ro> lol thats great i've got compiz fusion running and when the movie full screened its transparent
[10:14] <foxbuntu> kewl
[10:14] <foxbuntu> but thats alot of extra overhead for a frontend
[10:14] <Vai_Ro> yep thanks for all your help ^.^
[10:14] <foxbuntu> unless its not a dedicated machine
[10:15] <Vai_Ro> its just something i added to my main pc I wanted a really sweet player, I don't own a tv
[10:15] <foxbuntu> not a problem...gl with the MythTV...come back from help anytime
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #123947 in mythbuntu "monitor out of sync at livecd instalation" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123947
[11:23] <laga> superm1: i'm here now
[12:57] <seanysean> Hello - i've just installed the mythbuntu latest test release, but can't sudo. What's the recommended way of executing root commands in this distro?
[12:58] <laga> sudo should work
[12:59] <seanysean> it didn't work at all. My install crapped out right at the end, it booted fine but I suspect this is part of my problem.
[12:59] <laga> that's possible :(
[05:22] <superm1> laga, fyi.  sudo works if you login as the normal user
[05:22] <superm1> if someone asks that again
[05:22] <superm1> (since he left already)
[05:23] <laga> patience is a virtue...
[05:23] <superm1> i've been giving that a lot of thought
[05:24] <superm1> perhaps it will make more sense to have the normal user logged in
[05:24] <superm1> and starting 'mythtv'
[05:25] <DaveMorris> yep, then you know the password etc
[05:26] <superm1> by doing that, the change regarding auto log out if mythfrontend quits would have to happen too
[05:26] <superm1> well i'd say i'm cool with that as soon as we have a control centre
[05:26] <superm1> that launches behind mythfrontend
[05:27] <superm1> so if the frontend quits, the control centre starts
[06:01] <Daviey> why not make mythtv a sudoer?
[06:02] <superm1> because you dont know his password
[06:03] <Daviey> maybe make one as part of ubiquity?
[06:03] <superm1> why not use the existing user then?
[06:03] <superm1> thats made in ubiquity
[06:03] <superm1> its the same amount of work to re-implement either of them: just a different approach
[06:03] <Daviey> yeah
[06:04] <Daviey> Does mythfrontend provide different exit status?
[06:04] <superm1> i would think so, but i can't say i've ever tried
[06:04] <Daviey> ie for exit, shutdown and kill?
[06:05] <Daviey> exit could return to gdm login
[06:05] <Daviey> shutdown, shutdowns
[06:05] <Daviey> kill/crash relogins as mythtv
[06:06] <superm1> that doesn't touch upon the mythbuntu control centre though
[06:06] <superm1> where it should fit into the mix
[06:06] <Daviey> erm, what about login in as the normal user at gdm
[06:06] <Daviey> so when the user presses exit, they an then login as another user?
[06:07] <superm1> that is what the original plan
[06:07] <superm1> was
[06:07] <Daviey> doh
[06:07] <superm1> but DaveMorris doesn't like it
[06:07] <Daviey> missed that
[06:07] <Daviey> i thought it was restarting gdm whenever mythfrontend exits?
[06:07] <superm1> well you get brought back to the login screen
[06:08] <superm1> and an autologin gets you in with in 5 seconds
[06:08] <superm1> if you dont manually type password
[06:08] <Daviey> k
[06:08] <superm1> i guess the big question here is: "Is the system any less secure if it auto logins in to a user with sudo rights than the mythtv user"
[06:08] <Daviey> suppose if a user can get a 'mythtv' xterm; they can use 'su $normal-user'?
[06:09] <superm1> well not easily
[06:09] <superm1> because 'mythtv' needs su/sudo rights then
[06:09] <Daviey> su rights?
[06:09] <superm1> not anyone can just su/sudo
[06:09] <Daviey> i know not just anybody can sudo, but i thought anybody could su
[06:10] <superm1> well i guess yes they can
[06:10] <superm1> if they have the password
[06:10] <Daviey> of the normal user, which they should
[06:10] <superm1> but how do you wrap that into a gui?
[06:10] <superm1> to launch that term?
[06:10] <Daviey> shell script on desktop?
[06:11] <superm1> well at that point though, why not just use the normal user?
[06:11] <Daviey> true
[06:11] <superm1> because your typing your password for the normal user either way
[06:11] <superm1> so if you auto login to it, you type it for gksudo
[06:11] <superm1> if you use a shell script to su
[06:11] <superm1> you type it there
[06:11] <superm1> and then again for sudo
[06:12] <Daviey> or gksu ?
[06:12] <Daviey> :)
[06:12] <superm1> gksu is a wrapper for gksudo i thought
[06:12] <superm1> i didn't think it actually did su
[06:12] <superm1> er maybe not
[06:12] <Daviey> dunno, only executed it for the first time now :)
[06:12] <Daviey> --sudo-mode, -S
[06:13] <Daviey> --sudo-mode, -S
[06:13] <superm1> that and a gconf key
[06:13] <Daviey> whoops
[06:13] <superm1> can do it
[06:13] <superm1> --su-mode, -w
[06:13] <Daviey> tbh - i really don't think it's an issue 'mythtv' being a sudoer
[06:14] <superm1> well you dont have a password for it
[06:14] <Daviey> discusion: GOTO 10 :)
[06:14] <superm1> and that will break the desktop packages if you do have to set one
[06:16] <DaveMorris> you should log the user in as normal user for frontend playback
[06:17] <DaveMorris> also the frontend has different exit options, Exit and Shutdown
[06:17] <DaveMorris> can we provide our own patch to have "Exit to desktop"
[06:17] <superm1> okay so the agreement then will be to switch it to login to the normal user for automatic login
[06:17] <DaveMorris> I'd imagine it'll only be one line
[06:17] <superm1> well it will be a matter of sed
[06:17] <superm1> likely
[06:18] <superm1> modify the gdm.conf that is provided by the ubuntu-mythtv-frontend package
[06:23] <Daviey> you know that DBOX provides a root access shell?
[06:23] <superm1> did not know that
[06:24] <Daviey> so us worring if mythfrontend is used from a sudoer or not
[06:25] <superm1> as long as that normal user is put into the mythtv group by ubiquity (which I have it doing right now)
[06:25] <Daviey> my current frontend is a sudoer; and survived an upgrade from edgy to feisty
[06:25] <Daviey> -- user 'mythtv'
[06:26] <superm1> there is already let me count, 4 passwords that may be entered during installation
[06:26] <superm1> so adding another for the 'mythtv' user would really add confusion
[06:27] <Daviey> :)
[06:27] <Daviey> good point
[06:28] <Daviey> another note; i think we should add automatic security repo updates
[06:28] <superm1> automatic updates.....
[06:29] <superm1> those are always a very iffy thing
[06:29] <superm1> espcially if the kernel gets updatesd
[06:29] <superm1> espcially if the kernel gets updates
[06:29] <superm1> because rebuilding kernel modules and such
[06:30] <Daviey> yeah; that's why i thought just security repo
[06:30] <Daviey> limit the chances
[06:30] <Daviey> maybe make a ubiquity tick box offering it
[06:30] <superm1> well that is where kernel updates end up
[06:30] <superm1> ubuntu-security
[06:31] <Daviey> we put it into RC+x :)
[06:31] <Daviey> we'll
[06:40] <DaveMorris> auto updates for security fixes for the kernel is a no no
[06:41] <DaveMorris> due to needing kernel modules need redoing
[06:43] <laga> just get some hooks for m-a in place?
[06:45] <superm1> not if m-a isn't used
[06:45] <superm1> then things break
[06:45] <superm1> i really think automatic updates is a *bad* idea.  you can't anticipate all breakage
[06:48] <DaveMorris> people might have also added 3rd party kernel modules
[06:48] <DaveMorris> that aren't in the repo's
[06:49] <laga> could have two repos. one for kernel updates and one for regular updates
[06:50] <superm1> setting up additional repositories to maintain and watch is a lot of extra work.  especially since there already is ubuntu-security updates
[06:50] <superm1> that can just be used
[06:50] <superm1> its just a matter of them remoting into the box to update it every so often
[07:00] <laga> superm1: did you try that ccache hook for pbuilder?
[07:00] <superm1> laga, not yet
[07:00] <superm1> i've been messing with more ubiquity toys
[07:01] <Daviey> DaveMorris: module assistant makes it quite easy
[07:01] <Daviey>  - other issues would suggest that it be an opt-in thing
[07:02] <Daviey> bad for the soul?
[07:54] <superm1> is there a way to change the language a hostname uses after its in mysql for the first time?
[07:54] <superm1> it appears no-
[07:54] <superm1> well not in the gui at least
[07:55] <DaveMorris> I got hits from google with knoppmyth "EPIA EN"
[08:09] <DaveMorris> why is deleting recordings never quick and easy
[08:09] <Daviey> superm1: tried looking through various phpmyadmin options?
[08:09] <superm1> Daviey, i think i figured out what to do
[08:09] <Daviey> DaveMorris: what file system?
[08:09] <Daviey> cool
[08:09] <DaveMorris> the interface
[08:09] <superm1> if the entry on Language
[08:09] <superm1> isn't there
[08:10] <superm1> then it will ask the first time around
[08:10] <superm1> that mythtv-setup or mythfrontend is started
[08:10] <DaveMorris> I jwanna be able to select aload and then press delete
[08:10] <superm1> okay so now i just need a way to detect the filesystem
[08:10] <superm1> any ideas?
[08:10] <laga> superm1: the language of mythfrontend?
[08:10] <Daviey> superm1: detect the file system type?
[08:11] <Daviey> ie ext3?
[08:11] <superm1> laga, the language will still be asked the first time you run any of those things, but mythtv-setup doesn't have to be run before mythfrontend now
[08:11] <superm1> with this change
[08:11] <superm1> Daviey, yes
[08:11] <Daviey> superm1: sed/awk mount?
[08:11] <superm1> but what if nothing is mounted at /var/log/mythtv/recordings?
[08:12] <laga> ah
[08:12] <superm1> and its just a higher level mount
[08:12] <Daviey> does the fs type matter?
[08:12] <superm1> yes
[08:12] <superm1> because if its ext3
[08:12] <superm1> slow deletes needs to be put on by default
[08:13] <Daviey> hmm
[08:13] <DaveMorris> are we able to change the default guided settings?
[08:13] <superm1> yes
[08:13] <Daviey> sql grab the storage location then mount sed?
[08:13] <superm1> if you open mythtv-setup
[08:13] <superm1> well this is going to only be upon package installation
[08:13] <superm1> so if they change any defaults, then they will have to change other settings too
[08:14] <Daviey> so just sed mount | grep /var/log/mythtv/recordings?
[08:15] <superm1> but what if /var/lib or /var are mounted
[08:15] <superm1> instead
[08:15] <superm1> or even /
[08:15] <superm1> and no seperate partition for /var/lib/mythtv/recordings
[08:15] <superm1> and what if its not mounted yet (in the case of a ubiquity install)
[08:15] <Daviey> hmm
[08:16] <Daviey> there must be a way of prbing
[08:16] <Daviey> probing
[08:16] <superm1> so i wonder if there is
[08:16] <superm1> fdisk perhaps?
[08:16] <superm1> no
[08:16] <superm1> that will just tell partitions
[08:16] <superm1> hm
[08:16] <Daviey> fdisk -L is no good
[08:19] <Daviey>  /proc doesn't have anything i can see obv.
[08:19] <superm1> but lots of things you would think to contain this type of information
[08:19] <superm1> fs, filesystems
[08:20] <superm1> well /proc/mounts
[08:20] <Daviey> /proc/mounts i little more than $mount
[08:21] <Daviey> It must be possible if gparted can do it
[08:22] <superm1> well /proc/mounts does show it pretty explicitly if something is mounted a particular file system
[08:22] <superm1> on one of my backends: /dev/VGforMyth/video /media/mythtv xfs rw 0 0
[08:22] <superm1> shows up in /proc/mounts
[08:23] <Daviey> but if it's unmounted @ ubiquity?
[08:23] <superm1> so perhaps a set of nested if and grep commands to determine if anything in /var/lib/ is there
[08:23] <superm1> hm
[08:23] <superm1> look at the new /etc/fstab
[08:23] <superm1> well lol there we go
[08:23] <superm1> /etc/fstab
[08:23] <superm1> that is really the way to check
[08:27] <superm1> check and see if anything explicitly says /var/lib/mythtv/recordings, followed by /var/lib/mythtv, followed by /var/lib, followed by /var, followed by /
[08:27] <superm1> until one of them is found
[08:27] <superm1> and then see if ext3 is mentioned on that line
[08:29] <Daviey> sounds easy
[08:34] <DaveMorris> guys, which logs will hold the secret to my problem.  My PC has rebooted for a couple of times, also the screen and keyboard input/output has all died yet the machine has still been running
[08:34] <superm1> /var/log/syslog/
[08:34] <superm1> /var/log/syslog
[08:34] <superm1> or /var/log/messages
[08:34] <superm1> or /var/log/dmesg
[08:35] <DaveMorris> I feel it maybe hardware releated
[08:35] <superm1> well memtest and DFT are the way tot start then
[08:35] <DaveMorris> dft?
[08:36] <superm1> Hitachi's Drive Fitness Test
[08:36] <Daviey> dmesg will normally hind at error messages
[08:36] <Daviey> hind = hint
[09:03] <foxbuntu> superm1: did you catch the graphics?
[09:03] <superm1> foxbuntu, i haven't checked my mail at all
[09:04] <superm1> did the other artwork guys' look them over?
[09:04] <foxbuntu> oh...they have made some good progress, I threw in a sample too, but idk, they are much better than I
[09:07] <foxbuntu> and I found out there is a windows port for gimp today
[09:07] <superm1> oh i knew that for a while
[09:08] <superm1> before i got my mom on ubuntu, that is what she used for a while
[09:08] <foxbuntu> oh
[09:08] <foxbuntu> so what are you doing today for the holiday?
[09:08] <superm1> finishing the prefill database stuff, and then two friends were gonna come over and play wii and drink and such
[09:09] <foxbuntu> oh speaking of that...I bought a Wii yesterday
[09:09] <superm1> about time :)
[09:10] <foxbuntu> well you can't find them around here..and I just happened to be in Wal-Mart over lunch and they just put them on the shelf
[09:10] <superm1> you pick up a few games for it too?
[09:10] <superm1> or just the system?
[09:10] <foxbuntu> system and a second controller for now
[09:11] <foxbuntu> havent decided what games to get yet
[09:11] <superm1> well if you want something to suck up all your time
[09:11] <superm1> get zelda
[09:11] <foxbuntu> need to get my 360 listed on ebay now
[09:11] <foxbuntu> yea...thats what I was thinkin too
[09:12] <foxbuntu> I played Wii bowling yesterday some
[09:12] <foxbuntu> :)
[09:12] <superm1> what did kate think?
[09:13] <foxbuntu> I got the default "Why do we need this?"
[09:13] <foxbuntu> she likes it tho
[09:14] <superm1> good good
[09:21] <foxbuntu> she is making her Mii right now as a matter of fact
[09:21] <superm1> foxbuntu, where is your recordings directory stored on your box?
[09:21] <superm1> the std place?
[09:22] <foxbuntu> "/mythtv/store"
[09:22] <superm1> eh
[09:22] <superm1> nvm then
[09:22] <foxbuntu> why?
[09:22] <superm1> this postinst script is only going to work on installation, and will assume that you leave the standards
[09:22] <superm1> once you switch it to something else it will be the user's responsibility to update things
[09:23] <foxbuntu> why dont you just query the DB with the script to get the user's settings rather than hardcoding that in
[09:23] <superm1> because this is before its installed
[09:23] <superm1> before you run mythtv-setup
[09:23] <foxbuntu> oh
[09:23] <superm1> the idea is that you can get away without having to run mythtv-setup
[09:25] <foxbuntu> gotcha...so you are going to ask the user for their data driect information, select tuners and such from the livecd now?
[09:26] <superm1> well that is the direction things are going to be moved
[09:26] <superm1> but i'm writing it portably
[09:26] <superm1> so that it can be used on normal boxes
[09:26] <superm1> with normal package installation too
[09:26] <superm1> and if nothing else, they can open up mythtv-setup and have a sane set of defaults
[09:26] <foxbuntu> kewl..I think you should add a link to data direct in the installer then for people to create accounts if they need to
[09:27] <superm1> thats already there
[09:27] <superm1> have you not run alpha 2?
[09:27] <foxbuntu> not yet
[09:28] <foxbuntu> that will remove alot of confusion for first time users
[09:28] <superm1> well at the same time, i want to offer an option to bind to the public interface in the machine
[09:28] <superm1> but i'm not sure the best way to probe for it
[09:29] <superm1> i saw some python ways to do it
[09:29] <superm1> but nothing definite
[09:29] <foxbuntu> why just ask the user where they would like to store the recordings and such and then create the directories if they dont exsist
[09:29] <foxbuntu> public interface?
[09:29] <superm1> too many questions
[09:29] <superm1> leave them in LSB locations
[09:29] <superm1> public ethernet interface
[09:30] <foxbuntu> i suppose
[09:30] <superm1> too much room for error at least in my opinion
[09:30] <superm1> you leave them in standard places, and if they want to move them around, they can do that themselves later
[09:31] <foxbuntu> maybe allow an advanced option for other users to do that sort of cust.
[09:31] <superm1> why?
[09:32] <foxbuntu> becuase otherwise its annoying to people that know what they are doing
[09:32] <superm1> annoying that it installs and sets defaults?
[09:32] <superm1> like every other application?
[09:33] <superm1> the default location is hard coded into mythtv source code
[09:33] <superm1> it needs to be recompiled to change that default
[09:34] <foxbuntu> but will this script only run on new backend installs?
[09:34] <superm1> only on installs of mythtv-database that are new
[09:34] <superm1> (don't have an existing mythconverg table)
[09:34] <foxbuntu> ok
[09:35] <foxbuntu> well then it should be fine
[09:35] <foxbuntu> just need to ave that in the Wiki
[09:35] <foxbuntu> have*
[09:36] <foxbuntu> and also document the process for adding videos to mythvideo
[09:36] <foxbuntu> how do I get the Wii browser?
[09:36] <superm1> well if samba is installed (which it is by default on mythbuntu)
[09:36] <foxbuntu> (side topic)
[09:36] <superm1> then its pretty easy
[09:36] <superm1> go to the wii shop channel
[09:36] <superm1> sicne its past june 30th, its not free though
[09:37] <foxbuntu> is playing online free with Wii?
[09:37] <superm1> there are no games atm that play online that i know of
[09:37] <superm1> some will transfer data
[09:37] <superm1> like elebits
[09:38] <superm1> or transferring miis
[09:38] <superm1> but nothing else
[09:38] <foxbuntu> oh
[09:45] <foxbuntu> Wii Ware
[09:48] <foxbuntu> Mario Kart 64
[09:48] <foxbuntu> awesome
[09:48] <superm1> i bought it
[09:48] <superm1> wasn't as good as i remembered :(
[09:48] <foxbuntu> oh
[09:48] <foxbuntu> I just bought it too
[09:48] <superm1> (well in my opinion)
[09:48] <superm1> i mean you'll see
[09:49] <superm1> dont you need a classic controller for it?
[09:49] <foxbuntu> oops...I guess I didnt look, I just got super mario 2
[09:49] <foxbuntu> and it doesnt
[09:52] <foxbuntu> dont they have the first zelda?
[09:53] <DaveMorris> I was looking at battlailon wars when it comes out, will be muliplay over wireless, not sure of over the net
[09:54] <superm1> i thought they had the first zelda on there, but i wouldnt have bought it if they did - i've beat that wayy too many times already :)
[09:54] <DaveMorris> what games you got superm1?
[09:54] <DaveMorris> I've only got Smooth Moves and Red Steel, RE4 is on its way through the post
[09:55] <superm1> DaveMorris, sports, rayman, sonic, elebits, red steel, zelda, wario ware, super paper mario, mario party 8, monkey ball, mario kart 64, toe jam and earl, bomberman
[09:55] <superm1> (the last 3 are on VC of course)
[09:55] <DaveMorris> mario party isn't out here yet
[09:55] <DaveMorris> I was thinking of getting it
[09:55] <superm1> its a blast
[09:55] <superm1> the only thing is it isn't 16:9
[09:56] <DaveMorris> along with Man Hunt 2 if I can get it on the grey market anywhere (Banned here)
[09:56] <superm1> so you play in a little 4:3 square on widescreen tvs
[09:56] <DaveMorris> my TV is 4:3 anyway
[09:56] <superm1> has manhunt 2 been released in the US yet?
[09:56] <superm1> i thought it was under troubles for the AO rating
[09:56] <superm1> but i did hear about the ban out there
[09:57] <DaveMorris> I heard both Sony and Nitendio don't want AO rated games on the consoles
[09:57] <superm1> thats a shame
[09:57] <DaveMorris> yeah, they should let people make there own choices
[09:58] <DaveMorris> but over here the parents of 13yr olds are saying it should be banned and it causes violence in kids.  No shit, is that why its rated 18!
[09:58] <superm1> our stores are supposed to enforce game ratings, i dont see why thats such a hard concept for people to comprehend
[09:59] <DaveMorris> over here, the parents buy the games for them
[09:59] <DaveMorris> and know that they are rated a certain age, yet let them play them
[09:59] <superm1> even so, if a parent sees a AO on the game
[10:00] <DaveMorris> http://www.zeropaid.com/news/story.php?id=8877 lol
[10:00] <superm1> yea that was just on digg
[10:01] <superm1> isn't that entrapment?
[10:01] <DaveMorris> possibly
[10:01] <DaveMorris> the sites parked with godaddy now
[10:04] <foxbuntu> ok, I am prob retarded...but why wont my second Wii mote connect?
[10:04] <superm1> you need to sync it
[10:04] <superm1> to the console
[10:04] <foxbuntu> it just flashes all 4 lights and then goes off
[10:04] <superm1> there is button in the flip on the wii
[10:04] <foxbuntu> how?
[10:04] <superm1> and one on the back of the controller
[10:04] <superm1> there were directions in the manual that came with it
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #34776 in xorg "mplayer with xv crashes system on specific file" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/34776
[10:06] <foxbuntu> got it thx
[10:06] <superm1> DaveMorris, i call bogus on this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQBvqyg2f9M&NR=1 You agree?
[11:06] <DaveMorris> he looks like a twat
[11:08] <superm1> sounds like one too
[11:09] <DaveMorris> superm1: there's no sensor bar
[11:10] <superm1> unless its below the tv
[11:10] <superm1> a bit hard to see
[11:10] <superm1> since its so dark
[11:11] <DaveMorris> if it was credable they'll make an effort to show you, also notice how the screen went black before it loaded
[11:11] <DaveMorris> as if in theinput source cable was swapped
[11:19] <Daviey> I'm trying to watch it; but his shouting and swearing is stopping me
[11:20] <Daviey> If it's a piecse of $h1t, why buy it?!
[11:44] <perlmonkey> hi
[11:44] <perlmonkey> a while back some kind soul here gave me a script to do null channel changing (I change channels manually from STB), but I lost it and can't find it on the web. does anyone know about this?


[00:00] <edgy> the problem I am afraid of is the dual VGA: Intel and ATI
[00:02] <charlie-tca> I don't have an answer. Maybe take a live cd in and try it
[00:03] <jbicha> edgy: I don't know that specifically, but like charlie says, see if they'll let you boot a Ubuntu live CD
[00:04] <edgy> charlie-tca, jbicha: the problem is even if the system boots from a live CD, I don't know how can I test swiching between the VGA's in linux. this is why I am asking ;)
[00:05] <charlie-tca> I never use more than one video card in a machine at a time. Sorry I can't really help with that.
[00:07] <jbicha> right, I have no experience with live-swapping; it might require killing X anyway...
[00:08] <edgy> this is promising but I need to check further: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTcyMQ
[00:18] <BUGabundo> nite
[02:13] <h00k> Thumbnails of an mp3 is the albumart. Awesome.
[02:20] <rww> what
[03:21] <hv> gnome-open didn't apparently make it to gnome3.  What is the standard way to open a file using the desktop's default application?
[03:22] <hv> there are the xdg-* tools, but I am not sure which one, if any, can be used to issue the "open document with default application" command.
[03:26] <jbicha> hv: xdg-open is what you should be using, I believe it requires gvfs-utils to be installed (it's a bug that it's not pre-installed)
[03:32] <Laibsch> can somebody please have a look at whether bug 379382 affects oneiric as well?
[03:38] <h00k> SO, I installed ubuntu-desktop over the top of xubuntu, and I have all the newest Unity menu with the new Ubuntu Start dealio
[03:39] <rww> what is ubuntu start
[03:39] <h00k> But the Unity application (Start) menu seems to be confused about which applications are there.  For instance, 'terminal' doesn't bring up gnome-terminal, even though I know it's there. 'gnome-terminal' doesn't either
[03:39] <h00k> rww: it's the topmost lens in the bar on the left
[03:40] <rww> h00k: I don't have Ubuntu installed :|
[03:40] <h00k> rww: uploading screenshot
[03:45] <h00k> rww: apparently not, stuff crashed
[03:45] <rww> lol.
[03:46] <h00k> rww: http://i.imgur.com/IlFgW.png
[03:46] <h00k> apparently that's the menu now, instead of on the top left
[03:48] <h00k> Anyway, is there...maybe something I'm missing that gnome-terminal isn't showing in the Unity menu?
[04:12] <jbicha> h00k: terminal shows up for me, but the Unity dash is in pretty rough shape
[05:50] <bullgard4_> Oneiric has got a /run directory. Why has Oneiric introduced this directory?
[05:52] <micahg> bullgard4: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory
[05:55] <WaltherFI> Ubuntu One crashing and not syncing on oneiric. Anyone had and/or solved this problem?
[05:57] <bullgard4_> micahg: "/run is a new cross-distribution location for the storage of transient state files—that is, files containing run-time information that may or may not need to be written early in the boot process and which does not require preserving across reboots." I do not understand why a location for the storage of transient files might be necessary for  »cross-distribution« puropses.
[05:57] <urlin2u> WaltherFI, the alternative is available, but not the daily live cd, I have seen this on development transitions in the past
[05:57] <micahg> bullgard4: consistency
[05:59] <micahg> bullgard4: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory#Is_.2BAC8-run_FHS_compliant.3F
[06:03] <bullgard4_> micahg: Ah! Understood. --  Thank you very much for your help.
[06:04] <micahg> bullgard4: you're welcome
[06:05] <zniavre> good morning
[06:21] <topyli> bullgard4_: those files used to be under /var, which is often mounted on a partition on its own and thus might be mounted relatively late in the boot sequence. by moving the directory for them to the root, it'll be available at once
[06:22] <topyli> bah, the link already explained it
[06:26] <bullgard4_> topyli: Yes. :-)
[06:50] <dsathe> hello
[06:51] <dsathe> really badly need help , some update just killed all my sound :(
[06:51] <dsathe> any ideas ?
[06:53] <dsathe> bump
[06:55] <dsathe> really badly need help , some update just killed all my sound
[06:56] <dsathe> tried reinstalling all alsa and pulse related files
[06:56] <dsathe> no luck
[07:01] <dsathe> dmesg | grep audio  too coming up blank :(
[07:06] <SevenMachines> dsathe: maybe have a look at 'lspci |grep -i Audio'?
[07:07] <SevenMachines> Or go into sound settings and check if the output is set correctly, it can change itself sometimes
[08:07] <dsathe> SevenMachines:
[08:07] <dsathe> that is all fine
[08:08] <dsathe> i get the required controller
[08:08] <dsathe> Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so
[08:12] <bullgard4_> What program writes text in the file /run/motd?
[08:23] <njin> hello, there's someone running oneiric fully updated with nouveau drivers?
[08:34] <dupondje> njin: yes ?
[08:36] <njin> dupondie, hello, have you got delay in dragging windows with xorg and compiz jumping at high values?
[08:37] <njin> with freezes and crashes?
[08:37] <dsathe> no sound
[08:37] <dsathe> any fix ?
[08:37] <dsathe> caused by l8st update
[08:49] <dupondje> njin: works fine here
[08:52] <stoneguy> Anyone know about missing isos from Daily Live? Been a few days now.
[08:56] <njin> dupondje, sorry, wich model of card do you have?
[08:58] <bullgard4_> ! sound | dsathe
[09:00] <jbicha> stoneguy: it's being worked on, maybe you'll have new isos today, maybe it'll still be a few more days
[09:03] <stoneguy> Thx, jbicha. Feared things got seriously borked. Missing sending reports to Launchpad recently :)
[09:07] <oimon> how can i use ubuntu classic on oneiric?
[09:10] <jbicha> oimon: just make sure gnome-panel is installed and choose Gnome Classic at login
[09:11] <jbicha> "indicator" status menus don't currently work there though & Ambiance looks a bit off in the panels there
[09:11] <jbicha> but it basically works
[09:12] <oimon> hey, simple solution, thanks. wow it's fast compared to unity!
[09:12] <ephan_> Is there a fixed time of the day whent he Daily Build is updated?
[09:12] <dupondje> njin: sorry was away
[09:12] <dupondje> mmmm :D
[09:12] <dupondje> its a dell XPS 15
[09:12] <dupondje> don't know it by hart :p
[09:20] <Jimbo666> I installed a bajillion updates last night on 11.10, and now when I try to log in it says "Failed to load session "Ubuntu". Is there a fix?
[09:34] <bullgard4_> Descriptions of LightDM are scarce. Does LightDM work as a windows manager also? Or what is the GNOME 3 window manager?
[09:36] <jbicha> bullgard4_: a display manager handles login, user-switching, & I guess screenlocking & the "screensaver" now too
[09:38] <jbicha> the Gnome Shell window manager is Mutter, or Gnome Shell itself depending on your perspective
[09:38] <oimon> anyone else suffering from a broken software centre? clicking install doesn't work atm
[09:38] <jbicha> Gnome 2 & Gnome 3 Fallback use Metacity, although Compiz can also work
[09:39] <jbicha> oimon: if that's the same problem as update-manager being broken, it will be fixed today
[09:40] <jbicha> apt-get still works though
[09:40] <jbicha> or Synaptic
[09:40] <bullgard4_> jbicha: Your statement: "[11:36]	<jbicha>	bullgard4_: a display manager handles login, user-switching, & I guess screenlocking & the "screensaver" now too" contradicts that of http://linuxwiki.de/DisplayManager.
[09:45] <bullgard4_> jbicha: Thank you very much for your help.
[09:46] <jbicha> bullgard4_: that linuxwiki doesn't load for me, but you can see https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/X_display_manager_%28program_type%29
[09:59] <bullgard4_> jbicha: 'http://linuxwiki.de/DisplayManager: The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy." --  There seems to be disagreement in the Linux community about the range of functions of a »display manager«. --  Thank you again.
[11:31] <oimon> i notice full screen dash option has disappeared in 11.10
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:06] <Lynoure> Hello, I'm pondering about trying 11.04 Alpha3 on my HP Pavalion dv6
[13:07] <coz_> Lynoure,   cool
[13:07] <bazhang> Lynoure, its 11.10
[13:10] <Lynoure> bazhang: I know
[13:10] <Lynoure> bazhang: just typoish
[13:11] <coz_> Lynoure,  did you already test it with the live cd ?
[13:11] <Lynoure> coz_: not yet, will, unless someone tells me today it has some major showstoppers
[13:11] <Lynoure> (in which case cannot bother to burn the dvd)
[13:12] <coz_> Lynoure,  well, the only issue is that it is still alpha software
[13:12] <Lynoure> coz_: that's almost like a perk.
[13:12] <Lynoure> coz_: bug reports get attention and even fixes :)
[13:13] <dr_willis> setting up a flash drive with grub2 to boot the daily iso file.. is handy :) just replace iso.. you are updated
[13:14] <coz_> Lynoure,  excellent  then try it out... cant hurt if you appreciate the bugs
[13:14] <Lynoure> coz_: rather, nearly everything has bugs anyway.
[13:15] <coz_> Lynoure,  there you go.. then you already  qulled any doubts :)
[13:15] <coz_> quelled
[13:15] <coz_> did I spell that right?
[13:15] <bazhang> yes
[13:15] <coz_> :)
[14:30] <jussi> hrm, just ran the upgrade, had a small kernel issue: http://paste.ubuntu.com/664301/
[14:30] <jussi> (thoats apt-get install -f after the upgrade to oneiric
[14:32] <utusan> looks like 11th update messed up the sound.  just 1 app can use the sound sys now
[14:47] <om26er> how can I remove bluetooth indicator from panel?
[15:31] <aroman> hey what software can I use to create a screencast (desktop video + microphone audio) on Oneiric?
[15:32] <bazhang> !screencast
[15:32] <bazhang> aroman, same as the usual?
[15:32] <aroman> bazhang: tried all of them, none work
[15:33] <bazhang> aroman, what exact errors
[15:33] <aroman> well istanbul is 4 years old and doesn't support appindicator, so that one's pretty much useless
[15:34] <aroman> recordmydesktop says it couldn't configure/open the sound card
[15:34] <aroman> and likewise for ffmpeh
[15:34] <aroman> xvidcap uses OSS and padsb doesn't support the full spec that it's using apparently
[15:36] <aroman> bazhang: but interestingly the control-center pane for sound can use my mic perfectly and record it.
[15:37] <bazhang> aroman, very odd indeed. perhaps there is some new one I know nothing about.
[15:37] <aroman> bazhang: yeah. I figured i'd ask in here since I see some ubuntu developers creating screencasts in Oneiric apparently without problem
[15:38] <bazhang> aroman, yep wise choice. perhaps when the channel is more active can help out. apologies
[15:39] <aroman> bazhang: no worries, thanks for your help in any event :)
[15:40] <mrslv> #join #ayatana
[15:41] <mrslv> lol.. sry
[15:41] <bazhang> try /join
[15:41] <mrslv> I know
[15:41] <bazhang> ok
[16:04] <aroman> bazhang: ah i found the bug. looks like it just cropped up: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/824507
[16:29] <aroman> jml: ping
[16:42] <Q-FUNK> howdy!  what's the correct way to configure gdm3's background image in oneric?  the old  gconftool-2 method that worked until natty doesn't seem to work anymore.
[16:46] <Pici> Q-FUNK: a lot of things are being migrated to dconf, have you checked there (I don't know what their editor tools is)
[16:46] <aroman> Pici: Q-FUNK: dconf-editor, in the dconf-tools package.
[16:46] <Q-FUNK> Pici: could be.  I wouldn't know what their editor tool is either.
[16:46] <Q-FUNK> aroman: is there any documentation about using that with gnome products?
[16:47] <aroman> Q-FUNK: what do you mean? It's virtually the same thing as gconf
[16:47] <aroman> from an end-user perspective I mean
[16:48] <aroman> and like gconf schemas, it's pretty self-documenting
[16:48] <Q-FUNK> aroman: I need to configure custom backgrounds, GTK themes and icons within a metapackage.
[16:49] <Q-FUNK> sudo -u gdm gconftool-2 --set --type string /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename /usr/share/backgrounds/funkyware-dude.jpg
[16:49] <aroman> Q-FUNK: shave a look at: https://code.launchpad.net/~elementaryart/elementaryos/default-settings
[16:49] <Q-FUNK> that's what i would have used until natty.
[16:50] <aroman> specfically http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~elementaryart/elementaryos/default-settings/view/head:/debian/elementary-default-settings.gsettings-override
[16:50] <aroman> i believe that's what you're looking for
[16:50] <aroman> (dconf is a backend for gsettings)
[16:51] <Q-FUNK> aroman: thanks.  looking...
[16:59] <Q-FUNK> aroman: yes and no. it shows me the default values of different desktop schemes, but not which tool to use to apply my own or how.
[17:00] <Q-FUNK> aroman: evidently either ubuntu-artwork or gdm uses some other tool to set the pink background as it default, but it's unclear which one.
[17:01] <aroman> Q-FUNK: i wasn't meaning to show you the default values
[17:01] <aroman> that package applies them
[17:03] <jml> aroman: hi
[17:03] <aroman> jml: hey I saw you reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/recordmydesktop/+bug/824507
[17:04] <jml> aroman: yes
[17:04] <aroman> jml: i wanted to ask if you've found a workaround, and let you know that's definitely not just a gtk-recordmydesktop bug
[17:04] <aroman> (as my comment confirms)
[17:04] <jml> aroman: set device to 'plughw:0,0'
[17:07] <aroman> jml: brilliant! worked like a charm
[17:07] <aroman> jml: thanks a lot :)
[17:07] <jml> aroman: np
[17:27] <dsathe> yeah my sound is ded in generall too
[17:28] <dsathe> any ideas ?
[17:57] <BluesKaj> dsathe, open a terminal. alsmixer -V all
[17:57] <dsathe> BluesKaj:
[17:57] <dsathe> i have tried all that
[17:57] <dsathe> levels are fine
[17:57] <BluesKaj> all what ?
[17:57] <dsathe> pcm
[17:57] <dsathe> alsamixer
[17:57] <dsathe> all elevels ok
[17:58] <dsathe> pulse output ok
[17:58] <dsathe> lspci ok
[17:58] <dsathe> lsmod all ok
[17:58] <dsathe> but no sound
[17:58] <dsathe> alsa is broken some where coz mpd with out to alsa failed
[17:59] <dsathe> pulse runs atop alsa so no hope util core is fixed
[17:59] <dsathe> i did reconf linux - sound base
[17:59] <dsathe> tried multiple kernels , custom kernels too
[17:59] <dsathe> something went wrong
[17:59] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio eh , I never use it personally , but if you must then install pavucontrol ...it gives more options and settings , dsathe
[18:00] <dsathe> as i said pulse is adaemon atop alsa
[18:00] <dsathe> sound core is broken
[18:00] <Q-FUNK> aroman: it still remains unclear to me how someone is supposed to apply generic desktop settings to GDM only using that.
[18:00] <dsathe> speaker-test fails
[18:00] <dsathe> afaik tht is core alsa
[18:00] <BluesKaj> it's a soundserver layer , yeah and mostly useless IMO
[18:00] <dsathe> ALSA lib dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so
[18:00] <dsathe> Playback open error: -6,No such device or address
[18:00] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio that is
[18:01] <dsathe> BluesKaj: usefull for multiple sr sinc
[18:01] <dsathe> and on the fly switches
[18:01] <dsathe> alsa-lib error
[18:01] <BluesKaj> have you tried not using pulseaudio ?
[18:02] <dsathe> and as luk would have it my hw does not support opensound :(
[18:02] <dsathe> OSS4
[18:02]  * BluesKaj shrugs ...
[18:03] <dsathe> BluesKaj: yes i did start in a init level sans pulse no luck
[18:03] <dsathe> asound test also fails
[18:03] <BluesKaj> what player(s) ?
[18:03] <dsathe> alsa basic tests
[18:03] <dsathe> no players
[18:03] <dsathe> tried mpc
[18:03] <dsathe> ncmpcpp too
[18:04] <dsathe> initially i thought it was due to kernel update
[18:04] <dsathe> so cheked tht out too, removed changes to opts in modprobe for my module too
[18:04] <BluesKaj> what default soundcard/devices in phonon
[18:05] <dsathe> i dont use phonon
[18:05] <dsathe> snd_hda_intel
[18:05] <dsathe> is the module
[18:05] <dsathe> phonon is kde specifik afaik
[18:06] <BluesKaj> !intelhda
[18:06] <dsathe> is there a way to produce a more deatild debug log
[18:06] <dsathe> so i could paste it some where
[18:06] <BluesKaj>  /var/log
[18:06] <dsathe> ill ive these a shot , though i doubt i changed any of this , tried trouble shooting from arch wiki on alsa
[18:06] <dsathe> hmm
[18:07] <dsathe> funny that ' dmesg | grep audio' is blank
[18:08] <dsathe> BluesKaj:  nah the help page is no use
[18:09] <dsathe> ubutnu help pages only ok for small minor issues and skimming docs
[18:10] <dsathe> i have tried all from arch and pulse and alsa wikis
[18:10] <dsathe> no  use
[18:10] <Pici> I *think* ubuntu-bug sound is valid
[18:10] <dsathe> and not an issue with my hw coz audio is just fine on arch
[18:13] <dsathe> Pici:  any idea is ther a bug report
[18:13] <Pici> dsathe: I don't if there is one logged.  I can test on my laptop later today. I have the same sound card, but I haven't rebooted lately.
[18:13] <BluesKaj> dsathe, dunno much about gnome sound ...forgot that phonon is a kde default ... I use kde without pulseaudio but with the default phonon
[18:14] <dsathe> phonon now uses gst as a backend
[18:14] <BluesKaj> or vlc
[18:14] <BluesKaj> if you install it
[18:14] <dsathe> it earlier used something else
[18:14] <dsathe> interseting
[18:15] <dsathe> it used xine afaik
[18:15] <dsathe> used kde before too clunky
[18:15] <dsathe> insane finish tho
[18:16] <BluesKaj> vlc runs great on my media server pc ...fine video and digital out if you set it up right
[18:16] <dsathe> gnome laked it till shell/unity (i dun wanna start th shell/unity mongering)
[18:16] <dsathe> each to his own
[18:16] <BluesKaj> digital audio out
[18:16] <dsathe> hmm
[18:16] <dsathe> i did that with arch and xbmc
[18:16] <dsathe> :P
[18:16] <dsathe> nice iface for a media center
[18:17] <BluesKaj> xbmc is ok , but , too many menus to get anything to play
[18:17] <dsathe> and arch light for an atom with custom built kernels stripped for an atom and pulling out anything i did not need
[18:17] <dsathe> anyone got nvidia curren to build against linux 3 git 22 or newer
[18:18] <BluesKaj> dsathe, sounds to me that you might have stripped out a bit too much
[18:18] <dsathe> no its my 8th rev
[18:18] <dsathe> time tested
[18:19] <dsathe> and yeah rite now i am on stock 3.0.0-8
[18:19] <BluesKaj> yeah and no audio
[18:19] <dsathe> the latest one tht trickeled into oneric
[18:19] <dsathe> no definitely not an kernel issue
[18:19] <dsathe> i hav 5 diff kernels installed of all possible types
[18:19] <BluesKaj> well have fun ...bbl
[18:19] <dsathe> same issue across all
[18:19] <dsathe> bbye
[18:20] <dsathe> waiting for ck to rel 3.0 patches :P
[18:22] <dsathe> will moove to arch , come bak once oneric is fixed , no sound suks , ill try to pull up the logs n report it
[18:22] <dsathe> no video is cool , no sound not OK
[18:45] <traskers> I'm running +1 right now, and for some reason a few applications (Marlin and Nautilus are the ones I've noticed) won't theme? They don't load any icons and the GTK theme is just Redmond.
[18:49] <w231232131> I was just gonna test Alpha 3 in VMWare, installed all the drivers and put the compiz --replace switch to the startup and now I can't see Unity elements. I can access the Terminal.  Thanks.
[18:59] <traskers> No problemo.
[19:46] <em> .w 3
[20:31] <htorque> can anyone running up-to-date oneiric please do "ubuntu-bug <whatever>", send (not file) the bug info and look if the URL you are sent to ends with a questionmark?
[20:33] <traskers> htorque, what do you mean "<whatever>" ?
[20:34] <htorque> any package you like, i'm just interested in the url you are sent to as for me that ends with a "?" which leads to LP telling me it couldn't find a referrer (the long number in front of the "?")
[20:35] <htorque> so, eg. do "ubuntu-bug unity", let it collect the data and send it online, look at the end of the url and just close the browser tab
[20:35] <traskers> No "?" for me.
[20:35] <htorque> thanks
[20:36] <traskers> No problem.
[20:37] <htorque> traskers: one question - which browser are you using? maybe that's an issue with opera
[20:38] <traskers> It opened up in Firefox.
[20:38] <htorque> k, thanks again :)
[20:40] <htorque> rats, also shows up with an "?" in firefox and chromium :(
[20:42] <traskers> I just did it again, and that time it showed up.
[20:42] <traskers> The first time, I had to log-in to launchpad and it didn't show up when it redirected me.
[21:01] <BUGabundo> howdy ppl that one day could make me very happy....
[21:05] <BluesKaj> hey BUGabundo ..how happy ? :)
[21:07] <BUGabundo> how happy can one be?
[22:59] <ChrisBuchholz> Whats up with the cd image of alpha 3 being bigger that what a cd can contain?
[23:00] <coz_> ChrisBuchholz,  are you downloading the daily build maybe?
[23:01] <ChrisBuchholz> coz_: i dont think so. this: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/alpha-3/oneiric-desktop-amd64.iso
[23:01] <ChrisBuchholz> the iso is 709mb, but when it gets unpackaged on the cd, its 743,7mb, which is 101% of a cd and therefore doesnt fit
[23:02] <coz_> ChrisBuchholz,  hold on let me download from another link
[23:02] <coz_> mmm  looks like it is definitly large
[23:03] <ChrisBuchholz> coz_: exactly. Weirded me out a bit at first, and then just made me sad knowing that i wouldnt be able to try out alpha 3
[23:03] <coz_> ChrisBuchholz,   yeah it does look large  I am getting about 770  or 730 for 32 bit the first is 64 bit
[23:03] <coz_> that's odd
[23:03] <ChrisBuchholz> indeed
[23:04] <coz_> ChrisBuchholz,  sorry  727 megs for 64 biut
[23:04] <coz_> bit
[23:04] <coz_> ChrisBuchholz,  mm I didnt think they were moving to live dvd
[23:05] <ChrisBuchholz> if i had dvds available, it wouldnt be a problem, but unfortunately i dont, and i cant boot from usb either
[23:18] <ChrisBuchholz> Is it possible to get the alpha 2 cdimage from somewhere? i dont see it at cdimage.ubuntu.com
[23:28] <triunity> I saw some pictures of the GDM for ubuntu 11.10, am i correct that there will be a guest login for gdm?
[23:48] <Ian_Corne> it's not gdm
[23:48] <Ian_Corne> lightDM
[23:48] <Ian_Corne> and yes
[23:57] <Ian_Corne> http://www.reddit.com/r/fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu/comments/jgypm/social_services_will_never_understand/
[23:57] <Ian_Corne> wtf?
[23:59] <Ian_Corne> oops wrong window :)