[03:30] <Oblivion1500> hello i have a recently installed version of ubuntu server long term and i was wondering if there was some sort of firewall installed by default that my not be allowing me ssh access to it
[03:30] <Oblivion1500> though, i am able to access it locally... well that was a dumb question
[03:30] <sarnold> Oblivion1500: there's the ufw front end to raw iptables ...
[03:31] <Oblivion1500> will that allow local connections but not public?
[03:31] <sarnold> it may..
[03:32] <Oblivion1500> how do i change settings for it?
[03:32] <sarnold> Oblivion1500: check "sudo ufw status" output for information...
[03:32] <Oblivion1500> ok
[03:33] <Oblivion1500> and it is inactive, great i have done almost everything i can to get ssh working.. i dont know what im doing wrong i have even gone to the extent of putting my router in dmz then from there my server in dmz
[03:34] <sarnold> Oblivion1500: does netstat -nl | grep :22 show sshd accepting connections from <IP_ADDRESS>:*?
[03:38] <Oblivion1500> interesting, let me give you a screen shot, it doesent show it now but i beleave i did it before and it did,, though im also trying to ftp into it and that doesent work and 21 is showing up.. let me get that screenshot
[03:39] <devral> my server is acting really weird. it's taking a long time to execute commands. I did an strace on "echo hi" and it took 5 seconds to execute "brk(0) = 0x1594000" this just randomly started happening.
[03:39] <Oblivion1500> http://imgur.com/8uMSpVI
[03:40] <sarnold> devral: check free output to see if you're deep into swap; vmstat 1 will show you swap in and swap out traffic
[03:41] <Oblivion1500> depending on how much ram i have i usually set swap to 10 or 0
[03:41] <sarnold> Oblivion1500: ps auxw | grep ssh    -- that's odd, looks like sshd might not even be running.
[03:42] <Oblivion1500> that is a screen shot of me using ssh to log into that server, locally of course
[03:44] <Oblivion1500> http://imgur.com/KV3HTuP
[03:45] <sarnold> Oblivion1500: heh, indeed -- there's no process 2832. You'd expect to see a line like this one:
[03:45] <sarnold> root      1200  0.0  0.0  49968  2828 ?        Ss   Feb19   0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd -D
[03:45] <Oblivion1500> so can you tell me how to fix it?
[03:47] <sarnold> Oblivion1500: I'd try another "service sshd restart" command..
[03:47] <sarnold> Oblivion1500: chcek the logs if it doesn't start
[03:47] <Oblivion1500> it doesent see it as a service...
[03:48] <Oblivion1500> how does the daemon not come with openssh
[03:48] <Oblivion1500> wtf lol
[03:49] <sarnold> Oblivion1500: oh, my fault. "service ssh restart"
[03:50] <Oblivion1500> nothing, actually did this, ill get you a screen
[03:52] <Oblivion1500> http://imgur.com/6anRmJ4
[03:54] <Oblivion1500> also if the service is restarted shouldnt i get disconected from the server?
[03:54] <Oblivion1500> like what happens if i do: ssh restart
[03:55] <sarnold> Oblivion1500: no, it only kills te listening daemon
[03:55] <Oblivion1500> oh i see
[03:55] <sarnold> if it killed all sessions, that'd make it way harder to do server maintainence ;)
[03:56] <Oblivion1500> yea your right
[03:56] <Oblivion1500> so am i going to have to sudo apt-get remove openssh then reinstall or what am i to do?
[03:57] <sarnold> Oblivion1500: check your logs for some more information... hopefully it reports why it won't start
[03:57] <sarnold> Oblivion1500: check /var/log/auth.log first -- I see some "Server listening" messages in there...
[03:59] <Oblivion1500> http://imgur.com/1MZrbKc
[04:00] <sarnold> Oblivion1500: heh, those are from four days ago :)
[04:00] <sarnold> Oblivion1500: look towards the end of the file
[04:00] <Oblivion1500> oh wow
[04:00] <Oblivion1500> sorry
[04:04] <Oblivion1500> found the error, i think http://imgur.com/Gudkdh6
[04:04] <Oblivion1500> or that was me trying to restart without root
[04:05] <sarnold> Oblivion1500: .. that
[04:05] <Oblivion1500> either way still an error lol
[04:05] <sarnold> man. that's just confusing.
[04:05] <devral> sarnold: free says 0 used, 8514556 free, 8514556 total. doesn't seem to be using swap.
[04:05] <sarnold> devral: I did not expect that.
[04:05] <sarnold> devral: loadaverage? (not that that's great, but .. it's a start...)
[04:06] <devral> sarnold: how do you mean?
[04:07] <sarnold> devral: well, a high load average doesn't necessarily mean anything, but if you're used to seeing '4' and you suddenly see '200', it means something. :D
[04:07] <sarnold> Oblivion1500: try this, "sudo sshd -D" -- and then try to log in from another terminal
[04:08] <devral> sarnold: in what command, I mean? cpu load in top?
[04:08] <sarnold> devral: oh :) sorry. top or cat /proc/loadavg
[04:09] <devral> sarnold: it's not really going above 1, lol.
[04:09] <Oblivion1500> sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path
[04:09] <sarnold> devral: wow.
[04:09] <devral> sarnold: "load average: 0.08, 1.05, 1.64"
[04:09] <sarnold> Oblivion1500: oh :) okay, sudo /usr/sbin/sshd -D
[04:10] <sarnold> devral: well, it's dropped a lot -- is the machine still horrible?
[04:10] <Oblivion1500> ohhh, lol hold on
[04:10] <devral> sarnold: not so much right now, but it was rather sporadic before so we'll see
[04:11] <Oblivion1500> changed a yes no arg to all
[04:11] <sarnold> devral: _maybe_ you hit an updatedb or automatic security update thing ...
[04:11] <Oblivion1500> just give me a min to change that
[04:13] <Oblivion1500> i was trying to allow tcp forwarding to see if that would fix my problem, well thought i could use arg all
[04:13] <sarnold> Oblivion1500: it's just about time for me to bail; if I'm gone and your latest effort doesn't fix it, try "sudo /usr/sbin/sshd -d" -- not -D -- that'll give some debug info.
[04:14] <sarnold> Oblivion1500: but the sshd process is not started. tcp forwarding may _also_ be a problem :) but it might not be the only one.
[04:14] <Oblivion1500> ill just change AllowTcpForwarding to yes
[04:15] <sarnold> oh, sshd option... yeah.
[04:15] <sarnold> sorry, I thought you had a firewalling option somewhere :)
[04:15] <Oblivion1500> it should be yes by default though right, i think thats why i did all lol
[04:16] <sarnold> alright, time to run :) good luck Oblivion1500 and devral :)
[04:16] <Oblivion1500> thanks, i wish you could stay you have been more help than most people
[04:17] <devral> thanks
[04:19] <Oblivion1500> damn still didnt work.. anyone else want to give it a go?
[04:21] <Oblivion1500> and i will provide you with this http://imgur.com/JOBjIEw
[05:08] <Oblivion1500> does anyone else maybe know why i cant connect to my server via ssh? http://imgur.com/W4kYm68
[05:08] <Oblivion1500> my on my modem my router is in dmz and im forwarding ports on my router to my server for port 22
[05:16] <DarthEaron> hey guys imtrying to install an email server on my website and i cave mbox squirmail installed but as far as i can tell i have no users, i go to %domain%/squirellmail, and i cant log in
[05:21] <DarthEaron> anyone? i fallowd alot fo guides on the ubuntu forums and i cant see were to add users
[05:21] <DarthEaron> also i have dovecot and postfix installed
[05:43] <DarthEaron> anyone?
[08:31] <Oblivion1500> can anyone here help me set up ssh on my server so i can access it via my public ip?
[08:38] <nibalizer> sure
[08:38] <nibalizer> you have to install the ssh server software
[08:39] <nibalizer> which you can do with apt-get install openssh-server
[08:39] <nibalizer> Oblivion1500:
[10:21] <yolanda> Daviey, jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/ceilometer/grizzly/+merge/150004
[10:45] <swordfischer> Hi, I am trying to set up heartbeat with my ubuntu server, and I've run into this issue where service heartbeat start / /etc/init.d/heartbeat start  returns no information (as opposed to my CentOS setup). The logfile I've specified is not created, so cannot debug from that. At a loss right now. Any ideas?
[11:19] <nibalizer> have you read the init script?
[11:19] <nibalizer> swordfischer:
[11:58] <swordfischer> nibalizer: the one in init.d? not really, I guess I should then?
[12:43] <nibalizer> yea
[12:43] <nibalizer> maybe there is a directory it is experting to exist that doesn't and the whole script just bails
[12:45] <zul> yolanda: +1
[12:49] <swordfischer> nibalizer: well I'll have a look later, but something like that should at least create a error/warning.. I followed a tutorial on ubuntus site :)
[12:52] <nibalizer> yea
[12:52] <nibalizer> you could also check syslog
[12:52] <nibalizer> or /var/log/* for heartbeaty things
[12:52] <nibalizer> link to the docs youor following?
[13:08] <swordfischer> nibalizer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHighAvailabilityTeam/Heartbeat - well I fixed it, ln -s /usr/lib/ /usr/lib64/
[13:10] <swordfischer> thanks though :)
[13:14] <yolanda> zul, thx
[13:14] <gary_poster> hallyn or stgraber, hi.  Odd question, but from official channels: am I right that LXC has no official or even semi-official associated icon/image?
[13:16] <gary_poster> s/official channels/Canonical UX people working on company project who contacted us/ :-)
[13:48] <mskau> Need help: No image on newly installed 12.10 server - no boot progress or anything. Can access prompt via install cd rescue option.
[13:53] <hallyn> gary_poster: like an icon for a running lxc process in unity panel?
[13:54] <gary_poster> hallyn, more juju related in this case, but exactly the right idea.
[13:54] <hallyn> gary_poster: not that i know of
[13:54] <gary_poster> hallyn, cool.  You have now provided the official answer. ;-) Thanks!

[13:55] <gary_poster> hallyn, heh.  You want me to ask anyone else?
[13:55] <hallyn> gary_poster: i wouldn't know who :)
[13:55] <hallyn> stgraber might walk in with an idea
[13:56] <gary_poster> hallyn, :-)  OK, I'll wait for him to weigh in.  Thanks again
[13:56] <hallyn> \o
[14:01] <zul> hallyn = offical answer definently cringeworth ;)
[14:09] <mskau> Help: 12.10. No image after boot. Shift does not bring up Grub menu, but I can see from disk activity that OS is loading. New installation, all default settings....
[14:12] <mskau> See short flash of "Grub loading", and then I'm left out in the cold...
[14:17] <stgraber> gary_poster: no project logo/icon that I'm aware of
[14:17] <gary_poster> ok thanks much stgraber
[14:30] <zul> yolanda:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/keystone/keystone-g3/+merge/150055
[14:31] <yolanda> zul, ok
[14:32] <yolanda> that python-oslo-config is everywhere :)
[14:32] <yolanda> done
[14:33] <zul> yolanda: thanks
[14:43] <zul> adam_g: http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/ca/oslo-config_2013.1~b3-0ubuntu1~cloud0_source.changes
[15:09] <zul> yolanda: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/glance/glance-g3/+merge/150064
[15:10] <yolanda> ok
[15:11] <yolanda> done
[15:14] <zul> thanks
[15:30] <zul> yolanda:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/nova/nova-g3/+merge/150069
[15:30] <zul> yolanda: 4 more after this
[15:30] <yolanda> ready for that!
[15:39] <yolanda> zul, done that one
[15:40] <zul> thanks
[15:47] <zul> yolanda: next https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/horizon/horizon-g3/+merge/150079
[15:49] <yolanda> done
[15:55] <zul> yolanda: you merged your ceilometer stuff right?
[15:55] <yolanda> zul, yes, it's merged
[15:55] <zul> yolanda: excelente!
[15:56] <yolanda> nice spanish!
[16:01] <hallyn> zul: so libvirt now adds members of groups admin and sudo to libvirtd...  but the ubuntu netinst places the default user into....  group adm
[16:01] <hallyn> just a note.
[16:01] <zul> hallyn: okies
[16:08] <pythonirc1011> If I install raid 10 on 4 drives, and install ubuntu on the drive, if one drive fails, does the server still boot?
[16:11] <patdk-wk> pythonirc1011, depends on your motherboard
[16:11] <pythonirc1011> patdk-wk: MB? My BIOS is setup up to boot from disk 1/2/3/4 in that sequence
[16:11] <patdk-wk> and if disk 1 fails?
[16:12] <pythonirc1011> it will try to boot from disk 2
[16:12] <patdk-wk> will the motherboard ignore disk 1? hopefully it will
[16:12] <patdk-wk> what if the disk isn't completely failed, but still responds?
[16:12] <pythonirc1011> but will RAID 10 keep grub ready on disk 2
[16:12] <patdk-wk> no
[16:12] <patdk-wk> grub will keep itself ready
[16:12] <pythonirc1011> patdk-wk: then i'm willing to pull its cord out. But I want the machine to boot without my intervention
[16:13] <zul> yolanda:  next https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/quantum/quantum-g3/+merge/150087
[16:16] <yolanda> zul, a little typo here: New usptream release
[16:16] <zul> yolanda: k ill fix it up
[16:22] <pythonirc1011> patdk-wk: do you have a raid 5/10 installation/mdadm?
[16:24] <pythonirc1011> do i have to manually create a /boot (128MB) or something similar so that RAID boots automatically after 1 disk failure?
[16:46] <dodo3773> Quick question guys: Aside from /var/www is there any other directories that lamp developers may need access to?
[16:47] <zul> yolanda: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/cinder/cinder-g3/+merge/150101
[16:50] <yolanda> zul, sorry, in changelog it says "add python-rtslib and python-mock", but in control shows that python-rtslib is removed?
[16:50] <zul> yolanda: hold on
[16:51] <zul> yolanda: nope its there
[16:51] <yolanda> mm, diff is showing that as removed? 52	- rtslib>=2.1.fb27
[16:51] <yolanda> 53	+ python-swiftclient
[16:51] <yolanda> Resubmit proposal
[16:51] <yolanda> Delete proposal to merge
[16:51] <yolanda> Subscribers
[16:51] <yolanda> People subscribed via source and target branches
[16:51] <yolanda>  to all changes:
[16:51] <yolanda> Chuck Short
[16:51] <yolanda> Openstack Ubuntu Testers
[16:51] <zul> yolanda:  grr...lemme fix it
[16:53] <zul> yolanda: thats nto what im seeing
[16:53] <dodo3773> Okay another question: Can a "fully qualified hostname" be anything I want? Just make something up? I do not understand this
[16:53] <maco> i think it's "fully qualified" if it ends in .
[16:53] <zul> yolanda: nm
[16:53] <yolanda> what do you see in lines 52 and 53?
[16:53] <maco> like example.com.
[16:53] <maco> as opposed to example.com
[16:54] <yolanda> mm, the removal is in the patch
[16:55] <dodo3773> maco: So it doesn't really matter what I set it to?
[16:56] <yolanda> zul, done
[16:56] <zul> thanks
[16:56] <maco> dodo3773: as far as i know, not really. what's in the list or in /etc/hosts for your ip can determine some stuff about what apache will respond to (like "oh hey that domain's not me. *do nothing*" if you lack a * entry in apache...i think..been a while since i used apache) but the no fqhn error has never actually been a problem for me either (doesnt affect anything i notice)
[16:57] <maco> mailservers might care?
[16:58] <dodo3773> maco: The reason I was looking into this is because it seems to be a requirement for virtualmin. I have webmin setup now but the current setup is a security nightmare in my opinion. So I need to get my developers onto usermin or virtualmin. That is why I was asking early about besides the /var/www directory if there is maybe anywhere else these guys might need acccess (for phpmyadmin, mysql, etc..). I am brand new to this server stuff.
[17:01] <rbennacer> how can i see the last security patch installed on my ubuntu server ?
[17:01] <maco> ah. ive never used that. i'm a web dev, but I live on the shell ;)  i presume this is an internal system? if so, do you have internal dns or are devs typing ip addresses?
[17:03] <genii-around> rbennacer: I usually do grep security /var/log/apt/term.log
[17:03] <rbennacer> what is the term.log?
[17:04] <genii-around> rbennacer: It's the terminal output that has been generated when apt-get is run
[17:04] <rbennacer> someone told me about the apt history log but it is not really useful
[17:05] <rbennacer> nice thanks
[17:08] <dodo3773> maco: I have the devs logging into webmin froma  web browser with an ip address
[17:09] <dodo3773> maco: So as a web dev yourself is there anywhere on the system besides /var/www that you need write access to if you were a regular user?
[17:09] <maco> nope
[17:10] <maco> as long as you have a login for whatever mysql client you're using, that should be it
[17:10] <maco> i suppose if the devs needed to go install ruby gems, there'd be that
[17:10] <maco> but i think they'd just as you to do "i need this dependency" type stuff
[17:10] <maco> *ask
[17:12] <dodo3773> maco: Yeah. That's what they did for /var/www
[17:13] <dodo3773> maco: Just trying to get it setup right to make their lives a little easier
[17:24] <zul> Daviey: ping
[17:30] <Daviey> zul: PONG
[17:32] <zul> Daviey:  python-wsme is still stuck in binary-new can you have a look at it
[17:35] <Daviey> sure
[17:35] <adam_g> zul: should build with -v, and
[17:35] <adam_g> [(status)]
[17:36] <adam_g> oops
[17:36] <Daviey> zul: err, it's source NEW
[17:36] <Daviey> I don't have time to review it this very moment, but will later on.
[17:36] <adam_g> zul: 2013.1~b3 shouldn't that be 2013.1-g3 ?
[17:36] <agu10^> hiii!
[17:37] <zul> adam_g: nope thats not a typo
[17:38] <adam_g> zul: oh, ok :)
[17:38] <zul> Daviey: k ill upload ceilometer later then
[17:39] <Daviey> adam_g: 2013.1~b3 .. means, it is almost 2013.1 . milestone g3.  (~ means less than)
[17:39] <Daviey> (inverse of +)
[17:41] <adam_g> Daviey: right, i was talking about b3 vg g3. wasn't aware of the 'b' versioning
[17:41] <Daviey> Oh!
[17:42] <Daviey> Sorry.. And yes, i thought you knw about ~ :)
[17:42] <Daviey> zul: Sure it's not a typo?
[17:42] <zul> Daviey: sure
[17:42] <Daviey> ok.
[17:42] <Daviey> afk
[17:43] <zul> Daviey: http://tarballs.openstack.org/oslo-config/
[17:51] <zul> adam_g: can you check again? should be fixed
[17:53] <adam_g> zul: lgtm
[17:53] <zul> adam_g:  cool thanks
[17:54] <zul> adam_g: g3 uploaded for raring im going to get some lunch and start on precise
[17:59] <dodo3773> maco: thanks. take care.
[18:14] <ecco> Hi room, just going to lurk for a while.
[18:16]  * genii-around makes more coffee and passes the mugs around
[18:18] <hallyn> thanks
[18:19] <hallyn> after hours of patch wranging for *)&$*)%*)% libvirt backports, that hits the spot
[18:19] <hallyn> but \o/, think i'ts done and working
[18:19] <Daviey> heck, i think the whiskey sould be opened
[18:20] <ecco> After all, its friday so a little whiskey would be nice
[18:22] <RoyK> Daviey: whiskey or whisky? ;)
[18:22] <hiro5id> Hello guys.  Can anyone help with a problem installing Ubuntu Server?   My installation is stuck at "Configuring apt".   I have posted a questiona about it on stack exchange:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/259847/help-installing-ubuntu-server-and-it-is-stuck-at-configuring-apt
[18:23] <RoyK> hm... wierd
[18:23] <RoyK> hiro5id: for reference, could you try with 12.04.1? what hardware are you using?
[18:24] <Daviey> RoyK: i guess i've had a few already
[18:24] <hiro5id> VMware ESXi
[18:24] <hiro5id> its not physical hardware
[18:24] <hiro5id> But i can try downloading 12.04.1 and restart the installation though
[18:24] <RoyK> hiro5id: haven't tried 12.04.2 on ESXi yet
[18:25] <RoyK> I have some 12.04.2 machines running in there, though, but they were installed on 12.04.1
[18:25] <hiro5id> ok... thanks for your quick reply..    i'll try 12.04.1
[18:26] <RoyK> hiro5id: if it works with 12.04.1, please post a bug with whatever logs you have
[18:27] <hiro5id> Ok Royk ... Oh.... do you guys think it might have something to do with using "VMXNET3" as the network adapter for the Virtual Machine configuration ?
[18:27] <RoyK> lemme check what I use
[18:27] <hiro5id> great :)
[18:29] <RoyK> vmxnet3 in use
[18:29] <hiro5id> hhmmmm.... k
[18:30] <RoyK> this is in a 4-node cluster
[18:30] <RoyK> shouldn't matter, though
[18:32] <hiro5id> Just for kicks, i'm going to try again with a E1000 Ethernet adapter configured this time and see if it makes a difference with 12.04.2
[18:33] <RoyK> might do
[18:33] <RoyK> iirc 12.04.2 uses a newer kernel
[18:34] <RoyK> which I think is rather strange, since by doing that, the lads (or lassies) at canonical will have to patch up two different kernel trees or force people to upgrade
[18:36] <hiro5id> ...i'll be afk for a bit.  By the way this is my first time trying to get help from the community.  I'm very surprised at the prompt response.
[18:56] <ModFather> hi there, how i can add a printer through ip:port to my ubuntu 12.10 ?
[18:56] <ModFather> i've install cups and hplip but still i get: "/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip-hplip failed"
[18:57] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/serverguide/cups.html
[18:57] <holstein> theres a webgui as well that i have used before
[18:57] <ModFather> holstein i have used that and i install successfully cups
[18:58] <ModFather> also i added my printer with the correct driver through Web GUI of Cups
[18:58] <ModFather> still get a weired error
[18:58] <holstein> i would try other drivers
[18:58] <ModFather> ppd file?
[18:59] <holstein> i dont know what printer you have.. but i would just try other ones
[18:59] <ModFather> drivers can cause that error: "/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip-hplip failed"
[18:59] <ModFather> ?
[19:00] <holstein> sure.. that error is not very helpful.. "failed" coule mean anything
[19:00] <sarnold> ModFather: perhaps your problem is already documented? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hplip
[19:00] <sarnold> ModFather: check logs to see if you can find a more detailed error message
[19:00] <holstein> ideally, you would run a live CD, and test the printer with *some* functional driver, then you can add that, knowing the driver works
[19:08] <ModFather> holstein i tried add another driver i got the same error
[19:09] <holstein> ModFather: i have sometimes tried 20 or so til i found one that worked.. i like to test from a live CD though since now you are troubleshooting several things at once, as well as the driver support
[20:01] <Quebert> hi guys. could someone here tell me what you would normally have your file permissions setup as e.g. user ubuntu group www-data or something else?
[20:09] <RoyK> Quebert: for the web stuff?
[20:09] <Quebert> hey RoyK, yeah I was thinking from the public_html folder down
[20:10] <Quebert> everything below that I have owned as root
[20:10] <Quebert> root:root
[20:12] <RoyK> Quebert: so long that www-data can read it, it's good
[20:13] <RoyK> Quebert: if www-data can write to it, it's normally not good, since things may be changed in case of a security breach
[20:15] <Quebert> so would it be safe to say all files below public_html could be owned by group www-data and user ubuntu with permissions of 755 ?
[20:16] <RoyK> Quebert: that should be safe, yes
[20:16] <Quebert> ok cool, thank you Royk!
[20:17] <RoyK> Quebert: not sure why the group ownership would be needed, though
[20:17] <Quebert> RoyK doesnt each folder/file need to belong to a group?
[20:17] <RoyK> yes
[20:18] <RoyK> just use root:root for the lot and 755
[20:18] <resno> RoyK: you dont use www-data?
[20:18] <sarnold> or user:user if you don't want to have to sudo to root to update the content..
[20:18] <RoyK> resno: why would I?
[20:19] <resno> sarnold: i was recommended to use suexec for that
[20:19] <sarnold> resno: the apache config thingy?
[20:20] <Quebert> I'm using nginx, doesn't nginx need to write to cache files?
[20:20] <Quebert> nginx belongs to www-data
[20:20] <RoyK> Quebert: if nginx needs to write cache files, it shouldn't be in /var/www
[20:21] <Quebert> what do you mean RoyK
[20:21] <Quebert> I have a static folder just above public_html
[20:21] <RoyK> Quebert: nginx may need a cache dir
[20:21] <Quebert> yeah that's the static folder
[20:21] <RoyK> but giving www-data write access to the whole thing, isn't too smart
[20:22] <xsl> guys im lost... after 2 days the server always hangs ... i'm in a dead end... i dont see errors... i dunno what to do .. :( plz any pointers
[20:22] <RoyK> xsl: console access?
[20:22] <xsl> it does not respond
[20:22] <Quebert> Royk is execute ok?
[20:22] <RoyK> not for files
[20:22] <Quebert> for www-data
[20:22] <resno> out of ram? out of hdd?
[20:22] <Quebert> just foders?
[20:23] <RoyK> Quebert: +x is needed for directories
[20:23] <Quebert> rwxr-xr-x
[20:23] <Quebert> ?
[20:23] <resno> RoyK: you basically limit read to only folders apache needs to write to. essetnially.
[20:23] <resno> err, write i mean
[20:23] <xsl> resno i tought of that ... maybe its a problem of inodes or something :(
[20:24] <xsl> im running a server with several lx-containers
[20:24] <RoyK> resno: yes
[20:24] <resno> xsl: if you asked me guess based on your symtoms thats what i would go after first
[20:24] <sarnold> xsl: _nothing_ in the logs?
[20:24] <xsl> nothing = 0
[20:24] <sarnold> ouch.
[20:24] <resno> i bet theres something there though
[20:24] <xsl> inside or outside the containers
[20:26] <sarnold> xsl: when I once had to troubleshoot an annoying system, we found it very useful to have something like this running: while true ; do sleep 1 ; mv /root/procs /root/procs.1 ; ps auxw > /root/procs ; done
[20:26] <sarnold> xsl: it gave us some kind of snapshot of the system seconds before it got unusable.
[20:27] <sarnold> xsl: .. you may find e.g. dmesg | tail -20   more useful. or free output...
[20:27] <xsl> yeah i understand your point
[20:28] <xsl> i'm asking some stuff on the #lxcontainers related to ext4 ( to know it they are supported as a container backend )
[20:28] <xsl> i bet it i wanted to create a simple "LAMP" server it was still up ... but wen we go paranoid and do containers and tweaking .. ffs :(
[20:41] <pmatulis> am i the only person who is having trouble booting a kvm guest using 'bus=scsi'?  so far i'm reading this is not supported at the bios level
[21:41] <alaing> hi guys any idea why when I try ftp to my /var/www on the ubuntu server  it timesout but if I use putty it works fine.
[21:41] <alaing> I'm filezilla client and I've tried dreamweavers built in ftp
[21:44] <holstein> alaing: i would just put files up where you have permissions, and ssh in with putty and move them
[21:45] <alaing> i'm using the same username/password in filezilla and putty
[21:46] <alaing> I thought it would be a permissions but its strange seeing as I can access it from one app and not the other
[21:46] <holstein> alaing: i would use filezilla to put files wher you know you have permission.. and use putty to move them
[21:46] <holstein> alaing: test with other locations.. other users.. smaller test files
[21:47] <holstein> alaing: you are probably ssh with putty and ftp with filezilla
[21:47] <alaing> its a web server that I'm running from my home broadband so I should have permission for all folders and system etc
[21:47] <holstein> alaing: its likey that you are connecting ftp with filezilla, and ssh with putty
[21:48] <alaing> holstein: actually I'm using the same port
[21:48] <holstein> alaing: i would move them to another location that you *can* connect filezilla to.. then move them with putty via ssh where you want them to be
[21:49] <alaing> actually could that be the problem filezilla and putty using the same port
[21:49] <holstein> otherwise, you'll just need to troubleshoot permissions, and maybe enable a root login, which i wouldnt do, to be able to put things directly into /var/www
[21:49] <holstein> alaing: they are clients.. ftp and ssh shouldnt be using the same port AFAIK
[21:50] <holstein> alaing: how are you connect wiht putty? how are you connecting with filezilla? what user? does that user have access to the directory?
[21:51] <alaing> filezilla is using sftp
[21:51] <alaing> port 2221
[21:51] <holstein> i would put the files up in the user home, and ssh in with putty and sudo move them to /var/www
[21:51] <alaing> and putty is using port 2221
[21:52] <alaing> using ssh
[21:53] <holstein> alaing: you are likely just able to navigate to that directory with putty.. try putting something there, and you wont have permission
[21:54] <alaing> ls shows me the files/folders in there from putty
[21:55] <holstein> alaing: sure.. but you probably dont have permission to put anything there... and thats why filezilla is failing to connect to that location.. just let filezilla connect to the /home of the user, and put the files there, and move them from putty to where you want them with sudo
[21:56] <alaing> ok i've redirected filezilla to the /home/myUser and its still timing out
[21:57] <holstein> alaing: what operating system are you connection from?
[21:57] <alaing> win 7 home prem
[21:58] <alaing> it gets to "Listing directory /home/myuser"
[21:58] <holstein> alaing: http://hartvig.de/2008/mounting-your-ssh-shares-in-microsoft-windows/ is an option
[21:58] <alaing> and then times out and gives this msg Error:	Failed to retrieve directory listing
[21:59] <holstein> alaing: sometime i just blow it out and start over. username, port.. IP.. everything
[22:00] <alaing> download link does work on that linky
[22:00] <alaing> yeah i was afraid you were going to say that
[22:01] <fehwalker> are you sure filezilla is using sftp and not ftps?
[22:02] <alaing> fehwalker: well according to the site manaer its using sftp
[22:02] <holstein> alaing: its using ssh, since you are connecting ssh
[22:03] <alaing> sorry still not quiet confident on the cmd line
[22:04] <alaing> what command could I use to create a document in /var/www
[22:04] <alaing> just to see if it fails
[22:05] <holstein> nano to make a text document... or touch
[22:06] <alaing> how do you save and exit from nano?
[22:06] <escott> alaing, touch
[22:06] <alaing> ^x?
[22:07] <alaing> touch?
[22:08] <holstein> touch filename.html will make that file
[22:08] <sarnold> touch /var/www/testing ; ls -l /var/www/testing
[22:09] <xsl> ^help
[22:09] <alaing> it createed it
[22:09] <alaing> so my user must have access to /var/www/
[22:09] <alaing> and permission to write
[22:14] <alaing> i think i use vsftp on the server
[22:15] <sarnold> I thought you were using sftp? that'd be handled through sshd
[22:15] <alaing> actually it might be sshd - I'm just double checking
[22:16] <alaing> I was wondering whether there would be logs on the attempts which may give a clue as to why is failing
[22:17] <sarnold> alaing: /var/log/auth.log ought to have the logins, at least
[22:17] <holstein> alaing: if you can ssh in, you should be able to use filezilla... double check the credentials
[22:18] <alaing> holstein: filezilla is connecting
[22:18] <alaing> its just timing out when it tries to list the directory
[22:19] <alaing> actually I just had putty "hang" on me as well
[22:19] <alaing> i went into /var/log/ and dir dir and it only list about 3 items and then stopped
[22:20] <alaing> I cant escape it.
[22:20] <alaing> looks like I have to reset the session
[22:20] <holstein> alaing: all i have been basing my comments on is a fully connected and fucntioning ssh connection from putty
[22:20] <holstein> i think you might have issues server side, or other issues with your connectitivy
[22:24] <theriwolf> Removing sendmail-bin ...
[22:24] <theriwolf> /var/lib/dpkg/info/sendmail-bin.prerm: 91: /var/lib/dpkg/info/sendmail-bin.prerm: invoke-rc.d: not found
[22:24] <theriwolf> dpkg: error processing sendmail-bin (--remove):
[22:24] <theriwolf>  subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 127
[22:24] <theriwolf> Any idea how to fix this?
[22:25] <sarnold> theriwolf: invoke-rc.d is supplied by the sysv-rc package -- is that installed?
[22:26] <theriwolf> I need to install a package to remove a package?
[22:27] <theriwolf> it is installed yes
[22:27] <sarnold> theriwolf: is there anything funny with ls -l /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d  ?
[22:28] <theriwolf> hm..
[22:28] <theriwolf> updating that package helped
[22:29] <alaing> thanks for your help anyway guys
[22:29] <alaing> I'll try a few more things
[23:51] <keithzg> Arghh, this is driving me crazy. One of my servers has entirely lost the ability to resolve names, despite having "dns-nameservers" defined with the same internal network nameserver that all the other servers are using just fine.


[15:00] <intellectronica> me
[15:00] <barry> #startmeeting
[15:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:02. The chair is barry.
[15:01] <barry> welcome everyone to this week's ameu reviewer's meeting.  who's here today?
[15:01] <bigjools> me
[15:01] <sinzui> me
[15:01] <BjornT> me
[15:01] <gmb> me
[15:01] <allenap> me
[15:01] <bac> me
[15:01] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[15:01] <schwuk> me
[15:02] <flacoste> me
[15:02] <flacoste> salgado is on holiday
[15:02] <barry> cprov: ping
[15:03] <cprov> me
[15:04] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[15:04] <barry> == Agenda ==
[15:04] <barry>  * Roll call
[15:04] <barry>  * Next meeting
[15:04] <barry>  * Action items
[15:04] <barry>  * Queue status
[15:04] <barry>  * Mentoring update
[15:04] <barry>  * Review process
[15:04] <barry>   * Ensure in database code that non-DB state is reset at transaction
[15:04] <barry>   boundaries (flacoste)
[15:04] <barry>   * Security checks (should usually be avoided) in view code (intellectronica)
[15:04] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Next meeting
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Next meeting
[15:04] <barry> same time and place next week?  anybody know they will not be here?
[15:05] <bigjools> cprov and I are sprinting, so may or may not make it
[15:05] <intellectronica> i may be busy with the ubuntu sprint. don't know yet, but will update when i know the schedule for sure
[15:05] <abentley> That would be fine with me.
[15:05] <barry> cool.  if you're going to be away, please update the wiki page w/ apologies
[15:06] <cprov> bigjools: we will have 30 minutes for the meeting, I'm sure.
[15:06] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Action items
[15:06] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Action items
[15:06] <bigjools> cprov: almost certainly, but I am warning just in case!
[15:06] <barry>  * barry to ask lifeless to summarize what he knows about the PQM Mysteries (e.g. autopacking bug losing branches)
[15:06] <barry> done
[15:07] <barry>  * barry to ask losas and devs to update LaunchpadProductionDocumentation on operation details of machines for devs
[15:07] <barry> done
[15:07] <barry> the other action items are for asiapacsters
[15:07] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Queue status
[15:07] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Queue status
[15:08] <barry> everything looks fine to me.  any comments from y'all?
[15:08] <sinzui> schwuk: intellectronica: bugtarget-hasbugs-1 is mege-conditional isn't it?
[15:08] <schwuk> sinzui: that's how it was left.
[15:08] <barry> leonardr: i'll note that pending-reviews has 55 conflicts (!) on your integration branch
[15:08] <intellectronica> sinzui: it is, but i'm only going to land it when another branch is prepared. that's why i haven't removed it yet
[15:09] <sinzui> someone, (schwuk) should update PR
[15:10] <schwuk> sinzui: done
[15:10] <barry> thanks
[15:10] <bac> during my on-call shift i've started reminding people by name to clean up PendingReviews.  seems effective and well received.  perhaps others can do the same.
[15:10] <barry> bac: +1
[15:11] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Mentoring update
[15:11] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Mentoring update
[15:11] <barry> nothing from me here.  any comments?
[15:12] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Review process
[15:12] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Review process
[15:13] <barry>   * Ensure in database code that non-DB state is reset at transaction
[15:13] <barry>   boundaries (flacoste)
[15:13] <barry> flacoste: the floor is yours
[15:13] <flacoste> ok
[15:13] <flacoste> so our move to storm changed a subtle semantic in the ORM
[15:13] <flacoste> Storm does reuse instances across transactions
[15:14] <flacoste> so a .get() after a transaction.commit() or abort() will return the same instance than previously
[15:14] <flacoste> that wasn't the case with SQLObject
[15:14] <flacoste> the instance is marked in a special way though so that all DB attributes will be fetched again
[15:14] <flacoste> but non-DB attributes will hold the values from the last transaction
[15:15] <flacoste> so be mindful of any non-DB attributes used on database objects
[15:15] <flacoste> cachedproperty is an example of that
[15:15] <flacoste> but there are other examples
[15:15] <flacoste> objects that use non-DB attributes should provide a __storm_invalidate__ method
[15:16] <flacoste> to reset these attributes
[15:16] <flacoste> (it's called by storm on transaction boundaries)
[15:16] <barry> flacoste: has cachedproperty been "fixed" to clear its cache on txn boundaries?
[15:16] <flacoste> barry: no
[15:16] <flacoste> i think i filed a bug about that, but i have to check
[15:16] <flacoste> but iirc
[15:16] <flacoste> we never used cachedproperty on DB object
[15:16] <allenap> Does Storm do this as a performance optimisation?
[15:17] <flacoste> yes
[15:17] <barry> flacoste: thanks
[15:17] <flacoste> and also as a convenience to the developer
[15:17] <BjornT> flacoste: we do use cachedproperty on db objects
[15:17] <flacoste> we do
[15:17] <flacoste> ok
[15:17] <barry> find lib/canonical/launchpad/database -name \*.py | xargs grep cachedproperty | wc -l
[15:17] <barry> 57
[15:17] <flacoste> wow
[15:17] <flacoste> ok, i'll make sure to report and fix cachedproperty then
[15:18] <flacoste> and maybe offer a wrapper for storm to easily create transaction-aware attribuets
[15:18] <barry> [ACTION] flacoste to submit bug report on cachedproperty needing to __storm_invalidate__
[15:18] <MootBot> ACTION received:  flacoste to submit bug report on cachedproperty needing to __storm_invalidate__
[15:18] <flacoste> i'll also update the checklist with that info
[15:18] <barry> flacoste: excellent, thanks
[15:18] <flacoste> any questions? comments?
[15:19] <barry>   * Security checks (should usually be avoided) in view code (intellectronica)
[15:20] <barry> intellectronica: the floor is yours
[15:20] <intellectronica> when we spot security checks in view code, it's a good idea to ask whether they really belong there
[15:21] <flacoste> intellectronica: what kind of security checks are you talking about?
[15:21] <flacoste> check_permission call?
[15:21] <intellectronica> in most cases, it would be code to have them condified in the content object, and only called from the view
[15:21] <flacoste> or security logic?
[15:21] <intellectronica> flacoste: yes - stuff that relies on check_permission, and especially stuff the does more logic than that, for example by combining several calls to check_permission
[15:22] <intellectronica> or a call to check_permission with some other stuff
[15:22] <intellectronica> there are several reasons why i think this is important:
[15:22] <flacoste> i can see several good reasons to call check_permission() in view code (to inform users or other forms of conditional action/display)
[15:22] <abentley> An example of where I think it makes sense to check permission in view code is on the branch deletion page, where we show users what needs to be changed, and whether they can do it.
[15:22] <bigjools> check_permission is already done in lots of browser code
[15:23] <intellectronica> flacoste: true, but if the security check gets complicated, it would be good to have it in the content object and call it from there
[15:23] <intellectronica> it's easier to test and easier to maintain when the predicate changes
[15:24] <barry> intellectronica: maybe instead of adding these to content objects, we should register securitycheck adapters for them, and use that wherever it's necessary (e.g. browser code)?
[15:24] <intellectronica> and most importantly, if we need to expose it from a different layer (the api, or a script, or whatever), we can reuse it
[15:24] <intellectronica> barry: in some cases that's appropriate, in others less
[15:25] <barry> i like keeping database code free from security checks because in some of my cases, what's appropriate in the browser isn't appropriate (or different) in the xmlrpc layer or web services layer
[15:25] <intellectronica> i don't think that there's a rule that can be formulated. just that since i had to deal with this recently it opened my eyes and all of a sudden i see lots of places where this could become a problem
[15:25] <intellectronica> barry: can you give an example?
[15:26] <intellectronica> i'm asking, because i think that this it's quite rare for this to happen
[15:27] <barry> intellectronica: i'd have to think of a specific example, sorry
[15:27]  * barry could be misremembering too
[15:27] <barry> intellectronica: could you outline the specific case where this came up?
[15:28] <bigjools> don't the bug scripts already cope with lack of a user in zopeless mode?
[15:28] <intellectronica> the case i've been dealing with is a check on setting various attributes of IBugTask (importance, for example), which was restricted using the browser
[15:29] <allenap> So all the restrictions were worthless when you exposed IBugTask.importance in the API
[15:29] <intellectronica> after moving this check to the content object (so that i can expose this object using the API safely) i discovered lots of places where we relied on ignoring the security check
[15:30] <intellectronica> i'm sure that there are other cases, where restrictions hold in the browser code, but are being ignored elsewhere, and we just don't realise
[15:30] <intellectronica> that's the main reason i think this is important
[15:31] <bigjools> maybe we need another layer of code?  I'm not convinced that polluting content classes is right.
[15:31] <BjornT> intellectronica: iirc, that was a bit different, though. the check was only done in browser code, and you needed to do the same check in the security checker, and from within the content class.
[15:31] <intellectronica> in addition, it's much easier to check a security constraint or a method on a content object independently, than check through the view code
[15:31] <barry> bigjools: hence my suggestion of adapters
[15:31] <intellectronica> BjornT: indeed, but there are many cases like this, where we compound several predicates for the security check
[15:32] <flacoste> ok, this is very particular
[15:32] <bigjools> intellectronica: what places rely on ignoring the security check?
[15:32] <intellectronica> BjornT: and i think this should be encapsulated somehow. in a security checker or if necessary, in the content class
[15:32] <flacoste> and i agree with intellectronica that it is misplaced
[15:32] <BjornT> right. but if you don't need to re-use the check from within the content class, you don't win much by adding an extra method.
[15:32] <flacoste> but it's because the view is handling the mutation logic
[15:32] <flacoste> that's not the place for that
[15:33] <intellectronica> bigjools: i only know about the once pertaining to this change, and there are heaps of them. many scripts, for example
[15:33] <bigjools> are the scripts able to log in as the right user?
[15:34] <barry> do we usually have "a view" for whatever channel we're accessing/mutating the object through?  (i.e. xmlrpc, api, browser)?  if so, i wonder if the publishers could be hooked to provide that security checker adapter automatically
[15:34] <cprov> bigjools: login(xxx)
[15:34] <bigjools> cprov: exactly
[15:35] <bigjools> so if we define the zope security adapter properly, is this moot?
[15:35] <cprov> bigjools: as a predefined celebrity, though, not the right user in most of the cases
[15:35] <flacoste> another difference
[15:35] <BjornT> barry: well, we have the security policies
[15:35] <flacoste> is that scripts usually use the PermissiveSecurityPolicy
[15:35] <flacoste> which bypass all security checks
[15:36] <bigjools> ew!
[15:37] <barry> so.  intellectronica, what's the plan?  how do we resolve this?
[15:38] <intellectronica> as i said, i don't think there's a rule hiding here, just something to pay attention to
[15:38] <intellectronica> if you see check_permission(this) and check_permission(that) in browser code, ask whether this belongs elsewhere, for example
[15:39] <barry> intellectronica: okay, but i think we need guidelines in the wiki so devs and reviewers can answer this question
[15:40] <intellectronica> i can try to come up with something, but obviously it will need to be reviewed by more people
[15:40] <intellectronica> i can add that and ask for comments
[15:40] <barry> intellectronica: definitely... and thanks!
[15:41] <barry> [ACTION] intellectronica to write up guidelines on check_permission in the wiki and email the ml for additional input
[15:41] <MootBot> ACTION received:  intellectronica to write up guidelines on check_permission in the wiki and email the ml for additional input
[15:41] <barry> anything else on this, or any other topic?  we have 4 minutes left
[15:42] <barry> okay, thanks everybody
[15:42] <barry> #endmeeting
[15:42] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:43.
[15:42] <bigjools> cheers all
[15:42] <abentley> tx


[00:09] <rlameiro> downloading alpha 3 now
[00:10] <rlameiro> going to test it on my new 500gb 7200 rpm disk
[07:32] <persia> ScottL: The main reason to download the source with e.g. `apt-get --download-only source ${PACKAGE}` is to make sure you have the correct original tarball artifact.  The order between this and bzr branch matters not at all.  Some work has been done to use pristine-tar to make this no longer required : I'm not sure of the current status of that work.
[07:33]  * abogani waves


[10:23] <oles> hi! is there any manual how to build qemu for arm on ubuntu?
[11:48] <oles> cd
[23:15] <dr1337> oles: I have an image that I'm working on using vexpress-a9


[07:33] <didrocks> good morning
[07:37] <duflu> Hey didrocks
[07:37] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:43] <duflu> RAOF: Would egl-wayland have to start in universe even if we need it in main?
[07:43] <duflu> It's not in either yet. Just wondering
[07:44] <RAOF> Nah, but it does need a MIR done.
[07:44] <duflu> Well, I'll test it when it's uploaded. In the least another mutter patch is required to depend on it
[08:02] <tjaalton> duflu: it's uploaded but needs an AA to review from NEW
[08:02] <duflu> tjaalton, no problem, thanks
[08:02] <duflu> Not in a hurry
[08:38] <RAOF> tjaalton: how are you dealing with the file conflicts with the NVIDIA driver?
[08:39] <duflu> RAOF: Which bug do you mean? Once such fix went into nvidia-410 yesterday
[08:50] <tjaalton> RAOF: I'm not, yet
[08:50] <tjaalton> the debian upload got rejected because of those
[08:50] <tjaalton> discussing it with anbe
[08:51] <tjaalton> need to add conflicts for the ubuntu packages too
[08:52] <tjaalton> tseliot: please drop libnvidia-egl-wayland.so.* from libnvidia-gl-*
[08:52] <tjaalton> 390 and up
[08:59] <tseliot> tjaalton: in disco?
[09:00] <tjaalton> yes
[09:00] <tseliot> ok
[09:00] <tjaalton> but since it's not used anywhere, feel free to drop it universally
[09:01] <tseliot> tjaalton: what do you use for wayland then?
[09:01] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:01] <didrocks> hey seb128
[09:01] <seb128> hey didrocks :)
[09:02] <Laney> morning!!!!
[09:04] <seb128> hey Laney! how are you?
[09:08] <Laney> hey seb128
[09:09] <Laney> I'm doing alright!
[09:09] <Laney> was listening to people singing christmas songs last night
[09:09] <seb128> nice
[09:09] <Laney> getting in the mood
[09:09] <Laney> or something...
[09:09] <Laney> you?
[09:10] <tjaalton> tseliot: the binary & headers from egl-wayland
[09:10] <tjaalton> which is a new package
[09:10] <seb128> here is was sinterklaas (Sint-Nicolaas) yesterday, which is the dutch traditional-big-events
[09:10] <seb128> it's when kids gets presents, etc
[09:10] <tjaalton> tseliot: right now you can't use it, since the nvidia blob doesn't come with the headers
[09:10] <tjaalton> aiui
[09:11] <seb128> we had a nice diner to celebrate and the kid got some new books, he seemed to like it :)
[09:11] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:12] <Laney> nice
[09:13] <Laney> hey didrocks
[09:13] <Laney> what's new?
[09:13] <didrocks> nothing much, looking for the sun here
[09:13] <didrocks> you?
[09:13] <didrocks> not*
[09:14] <Laney> no sun
[09:14] <Laney> a nice comforting grey blanket
[09:15] <didrocks> yeah, same here
[09:15] <seb128> ditto
[09:16] <seb128> oh, btw Will said he was feeling unwell cold/didn't sleep well/headaches so he's staying in bed a bit this morning and should be online later
[09:19]  * Laney sends vegetables
[09:20]  * seb128 sends soup
[09:21]  * didrocks sends some alcohol
[09:22] <Laney> sounds like a good care package
[09:22]  * Laney sends in the screaming children
[09:23] <didrocks> ahah
[09:39] <tseliot> tjaalton: ok
[09:48] <tseliot> tjaalton: so, no /usr/share/egl/egl_external_platform.d/10_nvidia_wayland.json either, right? Since it the contents point to "library_path" : "libnvidia-egl-wayland.so.1"
[10:02] <willcooke> morning all
[10:03] <didrocks> hey willcooke, feeling better?
[10:04] <willcooke> hi didrocks, yeah a bit, got some more sleep and then started reading email so I figured I might as well do it properly :)
[10:04] <willcooke> No point lying in bed on my phone
[10:06] <tjaalton> tseliot: right
[10:12] <seb128> hey willcooke
[10:21] <tseliot> tjaalton: should the nvidia packages recommend egl-wayland (libnvidia-egl-wayland1)?
[10:22] <tjaalton> tseliot: no, the shell will
[10:22] <tseliot> tjaalton: great
[10:22] <tjaalton> depend on it
[10:22] <tjaalton> once the support is there
[10:25] <tseliot> right
[11:03]  * Laney sux at nm
[12:26] <Laney> jbicha: I saw https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-desktop/issues/89 - are you planning to work on it?
[12:26] <gitbot> GNOME issue 89 in gnome-desktop "bwrap invocation breaks thumbnail creation on 32-bit systems" [Opened]
[12:29] <jbicha> Laney: I think I'd prefer to hand it off to you if you have time to work on it
[12:39] <Laney> guess so
[12:39] <seb128> jbicha, is that launchpad bug private/security?
[12:41] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-desktop3/+bug/1807127 that's the one I saw
[12:49] <jbicha> sorry, fixed my link now
[14:01] <tseliot> tjaalton: the changes for 390 and 410 are in disco-proposed
[14:06] <seb128> tseliot, is the changelog really different between the archs? or is that a bug in gzip or something producing different results using a same content?
[14:08] <tseliot> seb128: I'm not sure what caused the problem, since the same source works in cosmic and older. I am not sure why the symlinking is causing problems in disco
[14:09] <tseliot> seb128: I also think that, since only some packages are available on i386 vs amd64, the symlinking happens in packages on amd64 where it doesn't on i386. I think this is the problem
[14:10] <seb128> could be
[14:11] <tseliot> either way, I don't think it's a big tradeoff
[14:11] <seb128> no, it's just that if there is a real bug at the gzip level we should fix it
[14:12] <seb128> but gzip didn't change in disco yet, so probably not the case
[14:12] <tseliot> yes, but I think we would have noticed it with other packages. Having multiarch with limited i386 support is a little unusual
[14:12] <tseliot> right
[14:27] <kenvandine> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xrdp/+bug/1749148
[14:31] <seb128> kenvandine, thx
[14:36] <tjaalton> tseliot: cool, thanks
[14:45] <tseliot> :)
[14:51] <seb128> shrug, libreoffice fails to build on ppc64el with "/<<PKGBUILDDIR>>/config_host.mk:83: *** missing separator.  Stop." now :/
[14:59] <cyphermox> Laney: so, I finally got to have a look at the NM autopkgtests failing with the new dnsmasq
[14:59] <cyphermox> I think that's actually bringing out a real bug in NM's ndisc handling
[15:00] <cyphermox> plus there are lots of ndisc changes and 1.12.6 was released a few days ago
[15:00] <cyphermox> perhaps the best thing to try would be to update to 1.12.6 and see if it likes the tests better
[15:01] <cyphermox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dYXKfwCkZ9/
[15:06] <seb128> hum
[15:06] <seb128> my g-s-d cosmic SRU fails to build on armhf/arm64 (https://launchpadlibrarian.net/400457646/buildlog_ubuntu-cosmic-arm64.gnome-settings-daemon_<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu3_BUILDING.txt.gz) by failing to install mutter
[15:07] <seb128> unsure how/where to debug that, does anyone has an idea?
[15:33] <Laney> cyphermox: k, I don't have any idea what ndisc is, feel free to take over the bug please :-)
[15:33] <Laney> it does reproduce properly in a cloud VM so you can verify that it fixes it locally
[15:34] <seb128> cyphermox, Laney, I can do the n-m update in the next days if you want
[15:35]  * Laney thought cyphermox was offering to do it but that might be wishful thinking :P
[15:36] <seb128> :)
[15:37] <seb128> Laney, any idea about that g-s-d build issue btw?
[15:37] <Laney> how to reproduce?
[15:37] <Laney> I would use a chdist for that normally
[15:37] <Laney> if you have snakefruit access there's a handy thing on there to do it
[15:38] <seb128> seems like I have
[15:38] <seb128> I've tried on the porter box
[15:38] <Laney> ubuntu-archive/bin/chdist apt-get cosmic-proposed-armhf --dry-run install mutter
[15:38] <seb128> Laney, it's not a "build failure" by itself, just packages not installable in proposed for some reason (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu3)
[15:38] <Laney> oops
[15:38] <Laney> ~ubuntu-archive/bin/chdist apt-get cosmic-proposed-armhf --dry-run install mutter
[15:38] <Laney> yeah
[15:38] <Laney> this is to check like package installability and stuff
[15:38] <seb128> ah, I didn't know about that
[15:38] <seb128> great
[15:38] <seb128> thx
[15:39] <Laney> otherwise, for everybody else, you can make those things on your system too
[15:39] <seb128>  mutter : Depends: gnome-settings-daemon but it is not going to be installed
[15:40] <seb128> shrug
[15:40] <seb128>  gnome-settings-daemon : Depends: gnome-settings-daemon-schemas (= <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu2) but <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu3 is to be installed
[15:40] <Laney> circular dep?
[15:40] <seb128> looks like it
[15:40] <seb128> unsure why that hasn't been an issue before/how to fix it (and why it impacts only armhf/arm64 and not !amd64)
[15:41] <Laney> interesting
[15:41] <cyphermox> Laney: sorry, I don't really have the time for it... already it took me days to get to run autopkgtest to debug it
[15:42] <Laney> probably they got built before amd64 was published
[15:42] <Laney> k
[15:42] <cyphermox> also, it's just a hunch, but the syslog messages look a lot like an endless loop trying to do ndisc stuff
[15:42] <Laney> what is ndisc?
[15:43] <cyphermox> it's the general network discovery code paths, a short way to say IPv6 magic to make sure the address you pick is fine to use and all of that
[15:45] <Laney> i see
[15:46] <seb128> Laney, cyphermox, k, let me do the update and see if that helps
[15:53] <Laney> merci
[15:53] <seb128> de rien
[15:54] <seb128> unsure what I can do about that g-s-d issue and why it's only an issue now in that SRU? it sounds like it should have it any build before that was slower than amd64?
[15:56] <Laney> it'd have to be built and published on amd64 before being picked up on the failing arch
[15:57] <Laney> that's probably quite unusual
[15:57] <Laney> how can we fix this circular issue though...
[15:59] <seb128> yeah, unsure why the g-s-d b-d on mutter is there?
[15:59] <seb128> is that for the tests?
[16:02] <seb128> yeah, looks like it
[16:03] <seb128> hum
[16:06] <kenvandine> sergiusens: i've determined this is a regression in snapcraft.  With 3.0.1 it pulls in meson from the archive.  I have a locally built snap of snapcraft from a few weeks back that does fetch meson directly.  I'm going to try to bisect this to see where the regression was introduced.
[16:07] <kenvandine> sergiusens: i'll file a bug
[16:16] <Laney> seb128: probably if mutter depended on the schemas instead it would be ok
[16:16] <Laney> maybe we should even do that split in debian for this reason
[16:17] <seb128> right, that makes sense
[16:17] <Laney> it's still circular but the = ${source:Version} part wouldn't be there
[17:50] <kenvandine> sergiusens: sigh... the only scenario where it wouldn't pull meson in via pip is if base isn't set
[17:50] <kenvandine> but base is set! and the same yaml builds fine with my local build of snapcraft
[18:43] <willcooke> night all
[19:26] <tkamppeter> kenvandine, hi


[16:56] <dholbach> hi techno_freak :)
[16:57] <techno_freak> dholbach, hi :)
[16:57] <pedro_> hey hey hey
[16:57] <dholbach> hi pedro_! :)
[16:57] <dholbach> did you see my newest blog post?
[16:57] <pedro_> hello dholbach!
[16:57] <dholbach> Bug Jam organisation in Perú and Nicaragua seem to be going on VERY well :)
[16:58] <pedro_> no i haven't yet
[16:58]  * pedro_ looking
[16:58] <dholbach> http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=135
[16:59] <pedro_> niiice !
[16:59] <dholbach> yeah  -that's what I thought! :)
[17:00] <dholbach> so welcome everybody to the Global Bug Jam preparation session!
[17:00] <dholbach> who do we have here for the session today?
[17:00] <techno_freak> dholbach, I have people preparing in at least 3 cities to group up during Bug Jam :)
[17:00] <dholbach> techno_freak: GREAT - which cities are those?
[17:00] <techno_freak> dholbach, Mumbai, Bangalore and Chennai, yet to hear from Delhi guys
[17:00] <bliZZardz> techno_freak,(dholbach) : hope in India we make it as a success
[17:03] <dholbach> grrr, net work
 techno_freak,(dholbach) : hope in India we make it as a success
 awesome
[17:03] <dholbach>  maybe on my trip to India I should meet up with the guys in Delhi and talk to them directly :-)
[17:04] <dholbach>  unfortunately I won't make it to Mumbai, Bangalore and Chennai
[17:04] <dholbach>  techno_freak: if you can share contacts for the Delhi team with me, that'd be nice
[17:04] <dholbach> hi leogg!
[17:04] <leogg> hi dholbach :)
[17:04] <techno_freak> dholbach, sure, will send you a mail CC'ed to those guys :)
[17:04] <dholbach> leogg: thanks for the great interview
[17:04] <dholbach> techno_freak: thanks a lot!
[17:04] <leogg> dholbach, thank you!
[17:05] <dholbach> so maybe, we should do a quick round of introductions again and see who we have here for the session and which loco team they're representing
[17:05]  * dholbach is Daniel Holbach, member of the Ubuntu Berlin (Germany) team
[17:05]  * techno_freak is Parthan, representing Ubuntu India Team
[17:05]  * pedro_ Pedro Villavicencio from the Ubuntu Chilean team
[17:06]  * leogg is Leandro Gómez, member of the Nicaraguan Team
[17:06] <dholbach> nice
[17:06]  * bliZZardz is Venkatraman.S, representing Ubuntu India Team
[17:06] <dholbach> I just pinged the folks on #ubuntu-locoteams - let's see if some of them turn up still
[17:06]  * bliZZardz is UIndia (Chennai)
[17:07] <pedro_> leogg: 40 events in last 16 months that's... amazing! congrats ;-) (re dholbach post)
[17:07] <leogg> pedro_, thank you :)
[17:07] <dholbach> I think I talked to some of you regarding the bug jam already and most of you seem to be doing quite well in terms of organisation
[17:07] <dholbach> are there any pressing questions you have yourself right now which we should think about as a team?
[17:08] <bliZZardz> what is going to be the course of action?? --  squashing the bugs in the reverse chronological order or the other way round?
[17:09] <dholbach> bliZZardz: great question
[17:09] <bliZZardz> asking, as i still see some bugs which are almost an year old.
[17:09] <dholbach> pedro_, bdmurray and ogasawara are working on getting the bug lists in shape, so we will have a bunch of good targets for the event
[17:09] <techno_freak> dholbach, i feel a team should select a package or two, favourably something which is not usually looked up, and should try to triage them as much as possible.
[17:10] <dholbach> when I did a bug jam in Berlin I suggested to people to first pick "New" bugs of packages they know well and try to reproduce them to be able to mark the bug as confirmed
[17:10] <dholbach> and add more information to the bug
[17:10] <dholbach> also we're going to have a document outlining what a "good bug" consists of, ie. which information is necessary so others can start working on it
[17:10] <techno_freak> cool :)
[17:10] <dholbach> techno_freak: that's another good piece of advice
[17:11] <dholbach> it'd be nice if you could ask around and see which packages people are interested in
[17:11] <techno_freak> favourite packages always get the attention, like rhythmbox, compiz, amarok etc.
[17:11] <pedro_> banshee needs a lot of love too ;-)
[17:11] <dholbach> what we're going to try to do is: get experts for those packages on IRC so they can help with debugging and answering questions
[17:11] <bliZZardz> dholbach : let me dumb and ask the Q again - is this going to be more of triaging or confirming the bugs that bdmurray et al come up with?
[17:12] <dholbach> bliZZardz: I'd sum it up as "generally making as many bugs better as we can"
[17:12] <dholbach> if "making it better" in some cases means "fix it", that's even better :)
[17:12] <techno_freak> :)
[17:12] <dholbach> does that make sense?
[17:12] <bliZZardz> dholbach : yo yo yo yea.. :)
[17:12] <dholbach> :-)
[17:13] <dholbach> bliZZardz, techno_freak, pedro_, leogg: how many members of your teams have done something related to bug triage before?
[17:13] <bliZZardz> dholbach : i generally work on bugs on compiz, compiz-fusion, OOo, SVN, py-based-applications and other small tools (would like to work with more applications that are closer to OS - but need someone with experience to help me out).
[17:13] <dholbach> bliZZardz: that sounds great
[17:13] <techno_freak> dholbach, quite a few, but i see some surge of new members joining it after your series of blogs and some advertising from us :)
[17:13] <dholbach> if you get feedback from your teams what kind of packages they're interested in, please add that information to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam
[17:13] <leogg> dholbach, only me in .ni - but I'm going to organize a couple of workshops before the bug jam
[17:14] <techno_freak> dholbach, sure, will get it done over the weekend
[17:14] <bliZZardz> dholbach : am a n00b here..joined few backs back after observing the arena for some months... have been active since joined though.
[17:14] <dholbach> techno_freak: ROCK - It's just that I want to get a feeling for what our audience is going to be like - I'm sure it's going to pretty diverse
[17:15] <dholbach> guys... you can't believe how excited I am - this is going to be awesome! :)
[17:15] <techno_freak> dholbach, we can convince people showing your 5-a-day stats ;)
[17:15]  * bliZZardz is excited about Bug Jam .. hope we all learn stuff and have fun
[17:15] <pedro_> dholbach: a good portion of them already triaged some bugs, we've working a few months ago in triage classes within the loco team :-)
[17:15] <dholbach> Awsoonn: are you here for the Global Bug Jam Preparation session too?
[17:15] <dholbach> pedro_: ah yeah, I remember
[17:16] <Awsoonn> dholbach:  yup, sorry I'm late
[17:16] <dholbach> Awsoonn: don't worry - it's great to have you!
[17:16] <Awsoonn> ^_^
[17:16] <dholbach> Awsoonn: can you let everybody know which team you're representing here?
[17:16] <dholbach> maybe we could have another IRC "how to triage" session shortly before the GBJ?
[17:16] <Awsoonn> Michigan Loco - The cold North
[17:16] <bliZZardz> techno_freak : probably we need to have some triage classes in India loco too??  or did we already have it?
[17:17] <bliZZardz> dholbach : you stole my words there :)
[17:17] <techno_freak> bliZZardz, planning for this weekend or next
[17:17] <leogg> dholbach, great idea
[17:17] <dholbach> techno_freak: really? on IRC?
[17:17] <dholbach> techno_freak: maybe we could coordinate it and invite a lot of people?
[17:17] <techno_freak> dholbach, ya, #ubuntu-in and #ubuntu-bugs for help :)
[17:18] <bliZZardz> dholbach : good idea
[17:18] <pedro_> what about using ubuntu-classroom ? ;-)
[17:18] <techno_freak> dholbach, would love if people can join too
[17:18] <dholbach> let's make it #ubuntu-classroom then and let's pick a date and time so we can announce it on planet
[17:18] <dholbach> and make a big noise about it :-)
[17:18] <bliZZardz> let us concentrate overall , than at locos alone..
[17:18] <techno_freak> why not this weekend?
[17:18] <dholbach> might be a bit short notice
[17:19] <bliZZardz> techno_freak : we need to 'market' ;) ..hence next weekend shud be good
[17:19] <techno_freak> dholbach, ya, loco members can discuss within their team channels as well :)
[17:19] <pedro_> mm it's maybe too close to the weekend (thinking about timezones)
[17:19] <techno_freak> bliZZardz, naah, will mail the list tonight. people interested will always drop in
[17:19] <dholbach> ok... shall we discuss date and time on ubuntu-bugsquad@?
[17:19] <techno_freak> ok
[17:19] <pedro_> sounds good
[17:19] <dholbach> ROCK
[17:19] <bliZZardz> :)
[17:19] <dholbach> you guys are just awesome :)
[17:20] <bliZZardz> only 5 us presently ON for this??
[17:20] <dholbach> shall we think a bit more about "easy tasks" and how we'd like people to work on bugs together?
[17:20] <techno_freak> if not 5-a-day, i wouldnt have started bug triage ;)
[17:20] <techno_freak> dholbach, ^^
[17:20] <dholbach> :-)
[17:20] <dholbach> what kind of bugs would you suggest are relatively "easy"?
[17:20] <bliZZardz> i never knew 5-a-day existed, i was exceeding it when i joined in LP :P
[17:21]  * nealmcb waves at rockstar
[17:21] <nealmcb> 2 from the colorado team here....
[17:21] <techno_freak> Easy = Add more info, Find right Package
[17:21] <rockstar> Hi nealmcb
[17:21] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day
[17:21] <techno_freak> nealmcb, welcome :)
[17:21] <dholbach> be sure to let your team mates know about it
[17:21] <dholbach> that way we'll find out which teams are doing well - especially if we use individual tags for the global-bug-jams :)
[17:22] <dholbach> hi nealmcb, hi rockstar!
[17:22] <dholbach> great to have you :)
[17:22] <rockstar> hi dholbach
[17:22] <dholbach> pedro_: what would you suggest - what kind of bugs should we suggest to 'new bug triagers'?
[17:23] <techno_freak> dholbach, check basic info and add right package should be the beginning point
[17:23] <Awsoonn> This in the first Loco Event for my area, how should I go about finding people in my area that would be interested?
[17:23] <dholbach> techno_freak: yeah that sounds good
[17:23] <dholbach> who can give Awsoonn some advice on that?
[17:23] <pedro_> I'd suggest the Find the right package, those are pretty easy to do and it's also what i used for the triage classes they seems to work pretty fine to get an idea of how launchpad works and so on
[17:23] <rockstar> dholbach, would it make sense to have a standard bug tag for beginners?  training-wheels ?
[17:23] <pedro_> hey xander21c!
[17:23] <xander21c> Hi pedro_
[17:24] <dholbach> rockstar: right now the plan is to have several bug lists linked from the wiki that people can get start working on
[17:24] <dholbach> hi xander21c!
[17:24] <dholbach> Awsoonn: did you try the Michigan loco mailing list?
[17:24] <dholbach> Awsoonn: and the forum?
[17:25] <dholbach> also if there's a local LUG - that might work too
[17:25] <rockstar> dholbach, yea, I've seen that before, and usually all those bugs are done whan I get to it.  :(
[17:25] <techno_freak> Awsoonn, call the people who have ever filed a bug and discuss it one by one, in the process triage it. if you have the right people, you can try fixing some too :)
[17:25] <dholbach> or a poster at the local college or something
[17:25] <leogg> Awsoonn, maybe it's a good idea to team up with another loco as well, someone with more experience
[17:25] <techno_freak> Awsoonn, people get excited when their bug gets some attention and will start participating
[17:26] <Awsoonn> The mailing list is on the hit list, but the  active users on the forums and IRC are all 6 hours south
[17:26] <xander21c> hi dholbach
[17:26] <dholbach> rockstar: right, that happens - maybe it makes sense to pick a package people are interested in
[17:26] <dholbach> (important: add those packages to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam so we can invite upstream experts for those packages)
[17:26]  * dholbach doesn't get tired repeating that :-)
[17:27] <rockstar> dholbach, yea.  Maybe it might make sense to go through a few days before the bug jam and assign a bunch of bugs to myself as "claimed" for our bugjam
[17:27] <techno_freak> dholbach, it would be great if we can make a list of good examples of bug triage, one or two for each type of scenario
[17:27] <dholbach> techno_freak: awesome idea - pedro_: what do you think?
[17:27] <Awsoonn> leogg: I am part of a pretty active Loco, but they are all together in a cluster down south.
[17:28] <techno_freak> dholbach, so new comers look at them and learn how to proceed
[17:28] <dholbach> rockstar: I had the idea of pairing up people in teams of 4 and ask them to work on a list of bugs together
[17:28] <pedro_> dholbach: yup that could work, I'll provide some examples
[17:28] <dholbach> Awsoonn: what about LUGs/colleges/universities/.. nearby?
[17:28] <leogg> Awsoonn, cool :)
[17:28] <techno_freak> great!
[17:28] <rockstar> dholbach, yea, I was thinking about doing that after a short tutorial on a projector.
[17:28] <dholbach> pedro_: you just need to record your own work :-)
[17:28] <dholbach> rockstar: neat-o
[17:29] <pedro_> hehe yeah
[17:29] <techno_freak> pedro_, and we can add the link to HowToTriage wiki page as well :)
[17:29] <Awsoonn> dholbach: LSSU LUG, that I'm a member of, is out of session with most everyone out of town during the summer :/
[17:29] <dholbach> are there any other problems that you see in terms of your organisation at the moment?
[17:29] <pedro_> techno_freak: yes that sounds pretty nice ;-)
[17:30] <rockstar> Awsoonn, maybe you could join another bugjam via "satellite"
[17:30] <dholbach> Awsoonn: you need to try it... everywhere - maximum exposure :)
[17:30] <Awsoonn> As for providing lists of bugs for differant skill sets, I plan on testing that over the next few Hug Days
[17:30] <bliZZardz> probably some designers can get an eye-catching presentation done out of the wiki
[17:30] <dholbach> Awsoonn: and it if's just a few of you, that's fine too
[17:31] <dholbach> Awsoonn: good idea
[17:31] <dholbach> that's something we probably should be more cautious about - if we get feedback about our docs/processes/etc - we should post them to the bugsquad list and think about how we can improve them
[17:31] <dholbach> some documentation might be confusing, some ideas might not come across well
[17:31] <dholbach> it would be nice to fix that before the Jam :9
[17:32] <Awsoonn> The Hug Day yesterday went really well for the short list of 40 confirmed bugs that just needed to be triaged
[17:32] <bliZZardz> Awsoonn, thats nice
[17:33] <dholbach> are there any other questions you have right now? problems with the organisation?
[17:33] <xander21c> dholbach: report to bugsquad about docs and processes it's crucial, many newbies including me get kind of confuse
[17:34] <Awsoonn> so shorter, more goal/skill oriented lists seem to work well. That's what I see at least. :)
[17:34] <yuriy> dholbach: what would you say is a good amount of time to allot to the bug jam?
[17:34] <dholbach> xander21c: we sure to post your feedback to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:34] <dholbach> yuriy: good question - what do you all think? did you mention any times in your local announces already?
[17:34] <xander21c> Q: is there a IRC channel especially for GBJ ??
[17:35] <dholbach> xander21c: #ubuntu-bugs
[17:35] <dholbach> we'll just use that one
[17:35] <xander21c> ok
[17:35] <rockstar> dholbach, I was thinking that 4 hours should be a minimum.
[17:35] <techno_freak> a few hours should be fine
[17:36] <dholbach> rockstar: that sounds good - we did 3 in Berlin and it was too short
[17:36] <leogg> dholbach, I think our biggest issue is the language barrier... not everybody in the team are fluent in English. Any ideas?
[17:36] <dholbach> if you have a venue that provides food and drinks that's obviously better :)
[17:36] <rockstar> Yea, after a quick tutorial, there's not much time to answer questions.
[17:36] <pedro_> even better if it's for free :-P
[17:37] <yuriy> dholbach: originally I was thinking about 3 since I don't think we're gonna get much participation. but actually we should do more like 6 so it's worth getting lunch
[17:37] <dholbach> leogg: some communication will always be English (in the bug reports for example) - do you think it'd help a lot if some of the initial bug documentation was translated?
[17:37] <techno_freak> dholbach, or we can atleast make sure multi-lingual support/translation in #ubuntu-bugs :)
[17:37] <techno_freak> so if they get some doubt, they have someone there to help with
[17:37] <pedro_> or we can adopt spanish as the official language, that would solve everything
[17:38] <techno_freak> ha ha
[17:38] <leogg> dholbach, if you guys can send me some links on important documentation, I can translate it into Spanish
[17:38] <pedro_> ;-)
[17:38] <dholbach> sure... if there's enough interest, we could definitely have something like #ubuntu-bugs-spanish / #ubuntu-bugs-german / #ubuntu-bugs-hindi / #ubuntu-bugs-... for the jam - if that makes sense
[17:38] <leogg> pedro_, +1 :)
[17:38] <dholbach> leogg: added to my TODO list
[17:38] <leogg> dholbach, ty
[17:38] <bliZZardz> rather we can rename ubuntu to 'spanish' ;)
[17:38] <pedro_> oh yes that's even better
[17:38] <leogg> hehe
[17:38] <pedro_> let's do that
[17:39] <bliZZardz> lol :P
[17:39] <techno_freak> dholbach, loco team channels are already there, and remember there are >26 languages within India itself :P
[17:39] <bliZZardz> [OT]
[17:39] <techno_freak> i dont want some regional conflicts within #ubuntu-in :P
[17:40] <dholbach> techno_freak: we only need to serve those languages that people are interested in - if it's a big problem, so if there's an interest in having #ubuntu-bugs-spanish people that speak spanish can hang out there
[17:40] <techno_freak> dholbach, ya i agree, some languages need help :)
[17:40] <dholbach> it'd just be for the event and just for getting enough questions answered to get started
[17:41] <techno_freak> i have seen many bug reports in Chinese, with someone in bgu squad translating it to English using google translate ;)
[17:41] <dholbach> pedro_: do you think that makes sense or am I out of my mind?
[17:41] <pedro_> that would help a lot i think, we we're planning to have something similar with xander21c for the Latin American locos
[17:41] <dholbach> NICE
[17:41] <pedro_> dholbach: make a LOT of sense to me ;-)
[17:41] <dholbach> alright
[17:42] <dholbach> I'll discuss it with the German/Austrian/Swiss folks and see how that works
[17:42] <pedro_> rock!
[17:42] <xander21c> yes, get Latin American Locos sync so we can help each other
[17:42] <dholbach> the more questions we can answer in #ubuntu-bugs the better
[17:42] <dholbach> so actively encourage your members to speak up there
[17:42] <techno_freak> hmm, we have some nice ideas out of today's meeting :)
[17:42] <leogg> xander21c, great!
[17:42] <dholbach> I've had many people in German teams that said "oh my English is so bad", when it really really wasn't :-)
[17:42] <dholbach> so... encouraging++
[17:43] <techno_freak> ya!
[17:43] <pedro_> yes yes yes
[17:43] <dholbach> pedro_, leogg: are you going to ping some other spanish-speaking locos and see what they think / what their plans are?
[17:43] <rockstar> dholbach, English, by right, is so bad.
[17:43] <leogg> dholbach, definetly
[17:44] <bliZZardz> i german, spanish (and Indians) -- what about the french?????
[17:44] <dholbach> leogg: gracias!
[17:44] <leogg> dholbach, de nada :)
[17:44] <dholbach> bliZZardz: I wondered the same - no french people are hanging out here!
[17:44] <bliZZardz> *typo -- i see german, spanish (and Indians) -- what about the french?????
[17:44] <dholbach> rockstar: it could we worse :)
[17:44] <bliZZardz> dholbach : jai une parles francais
[17:44] <bliZZardz> ;)
[17:44] <dholbach> hehe, nice :)
[17:45] <dholbach> but please hold off on translating the bug pages just yet - I guess they're going to be fixed in a couple of places in the next weeks
[17:45] <dholbach> pedro_: is that right?
[17:45] <dholbach> I guess there's going to be a separate announce about that
[17:45] <rockstar> bliZZardz, mwen parl creole, et mwen comprends toi
[17:45] <pedro_> yep that's correct
[17:45] <bliZZardz> in built transliteration engine in LP?
[17:45] <bliZZardz> rockstar : i prostrate,,,i know very basic francais :P
[17:46] <rockstar> :)
[17:46] <dholbach> I'm curious: who of you uses 5-a-day already? :)
[17:46]  * techno_freak raises hand
[17:46] <Nafallo> dholbach: the fruit thing?
[17:46] <Nafallo> oh
[17:46] <dholbach> (for those who don't: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day :-))
[17:46] <Nafallo> nvm me
[17:46] <bliZZardz> dholbach : i subscribe to that , but i sometimes exceed that limit on alternate days
[17:46] <dholbach> Nafallo: hehehe
[17:47] <dholbach> bliZZardz: oh... don't think of it as a limit! :)
[17:47] <techno_freak> bliZZardz, it doesnt mean do *only* 5, it means do *at least* 5
[17:47] <techno_freak> ;)
[17:47] <dholbach> it'd be great to get as many people as possible signed up for it as possible
[17:47] <bliZZardz> 5-a-day is a good NoS ...booster :)
[17:47] <dholbach> as you can see on http://daniel.holba.ch/5-a-day-stats/ we have team statistics too, so it'd be great to know more about the teams around the world that are 5-a-day'ing
[17:48] <dholbach> also if you decide on a tag like "global-aug-2008-chile" or something, you'll know how many bugs people worked on during the event :)
[17:49] <dholbach> but that's more of a side note - the most important thing is: have fun and enjoy working on bugs together
[17:49] <dholbach> so how do we make it more fun? :-D
[17:49] <bliZZardz> techno_freak : am afraid that In team is not surfacing  there - we need to raise the awareness more
[17:49] <leogg> dholbach, pizza and beer :)
[17:49] <bliZZardz> dholbach : t-shirts?
[17:50] <dholbach> it'd be great to hear of all those fun stories around the globe
[17:50] <nealmcb> leogg: +1
[17:50] <techno_freak> bliZZardz, i haven't tagged myself or the tag got lost when i reinstalled last time
[17:50] <dholbach> and see lots of pictures
[17:50] <xander21c> dholbach: music, pizza and pisco
[17:50] <leogg> hehe
[17:50] <dholbach> xander21c: you remind me of Nicolas!
[17:50] <dholbach> he was "pisco, pisco, pisco!" all over the place at UDS :-)
[17:50] <xander21c> a nice banner and t-shirts
[17:50] <pedro_> Peruvians they're always the same!
[17:50] <pedro_> ahahah
[17:50] <leogg> lol
[17:51] <dholbach> haha :-)
[17:51]  * pedro_ hugs xander21c
[17:51] <dholbach> it's great to have you guys here :)
[17:51] <bliZZardz> xander21c ,dholbach : yea.. t-shirts....wear it everywhere u go for the next 1 month (and dont wash it - get noticed :P )
[17:51] <nealmcb> dholbach: you're a great inspiration!
[17:51] <dholbach> you sure will :)
[17:51]  * nealmcb hugs dholbach
[17:51] <pedro_> btw diegoe (a Gnome guy) is exactly like that during GUADEC...
[17:51] <dholbach> thanks a lot nealmcb :)
[17:51]  * dholbach hugs nealmcb
[17:51] <dholbach> it'd be nice if we could have (small) reports of the event later on
[17:52] <dholbach> like How many people were there?
[17:52] <xander21c> bliZZardz: smelly notice :P
[17:52] <dholbach> How many cups of coffee did you guys drink there?
[17:52] <dholbach> How many candy bars?
[17:52] <dholbach> How much Pisco?
[17:52] <xander21c> lots of sugar
[17:52] <dholbach> etc
[17:52] <dholbach> and of course pictures, videos, blog entries, etc
[17:52] <bliZZardz> dholbach : whats a Pisco?
[17:52] <dholbach> bliZZardz: ask xander21c :)
[17:52] <bliZZardz> xander21c : enlighten us plz
[17:53] <dholbach> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pisco
[17:53] <bliZZardz> aha!!
[17:53] <dholbach> :-)
[17:53] <bliZZardz> who is coming to Chennai with a bottle of Pisco??? :P
[17:53] <pedro_> Chilean Pisco see that's not from Peru
[17:53]  * pedro_ runs away from xander21c
[17:54] <xander21c> thanks dholbach, is a great drink, strong but dont make you sick at the other morning
[17:54] <dholbach> OK... do we have any more questions? Other than finding out where to get what kind of alcohol?
[17:54] <dholbach> :-)
[17:54] <techno_freak> hehe
[17:54] <bliZZardz> dholbach : come on...  :)
[17:54] <leogg> hehe
[17:55] <dholbach> if not, I'd suggest we adjourn the meeting here and maybe meet again a week before the Bug Jam - I'm sure that there are going to be much more open questions around that time
[17:55] <bliZZardz> ok guys..so what is the action plan now??
[17:55] <dholbach> what do you think?
[17:55] <bliZZardz> someone wants to summarize things?
[17:55] <dholbach> bliZZardz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RunningBugJam should have most of the information we talked about today
[17:56] <dholbach> (of course minues the Pisco)
[17:56] <techno_freak> dholbach, this meeting had better participation and newer ideas than last one, may be the next one after a week will be still better :)
[17:56] <xander21c> dholbach: of course. Peruvian specially
[17:56] <bliZZardz> techno_freak :yea...we will talk about varities of Pisco
[17:56] <dholbach> techno_freak: I'll be on holidays in a week from now, that's why I suggested a week before the GBJ
[17:56] <pedro_> lol
[17:56] <bliZZardz> xander21c : hi5
[17:56] <dholbach> but if you guys want to meet and announce it beforehand - that's great too
[17:56] <techno_freak> dholbach, ah, I remember :)
[17:57] <dholbach> if you have any questions, any advice or any other crazy ideas, please let me know
[17:57] <dholbach> drop me an email: dholbach at ubuntu dot com
[17:57]  * bliZZardz offers Dholbach a toast over an old pisco
[17:57] <dholbach> I'd be really glad to make the organisation and documentation top-notch, tip-top and ready to go
[17:57] <dholbach> thanks bliZZardz :-)
[17:58] <dholbach> thanks a lot everybody, I appreciated your input and ideas
[17:58] <xander21c> GBJ it gone rock :)
[17:58]  * dholbach hugs you all :-)
[17:58] <pedro_> great, thanks you all!
[17:58] <bliZZardz> neato...thanks all.
[17:58] <leogg> thank you all, great meeting!
[17:58] <techno_freak> thank you all, awesome  meeting :)
[17:59] <Awsoonn> Thank you all~
[18:04] <yuriy> thanks dholbach. i might bug you with questions as I get further with planning and recruiting
[18:05] <dholbach> yuriy: perfect
[18:05] <dholbach> thanks for that


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