[15:37] <EriC^^> viktor_: you doing it from a live usb?
[15:43] <viktor_> EriC^^: yes. I chroot'd
[15:43] <viktor_> EriC^^: and mounted /proc prior to
[15:43] <EriC^^> did you mount bind /dev ?
[15:43] <viktor_> no, only /proc
[15:44] <EriC^^> you need /dev /dev/pts and /sys
[15:45] <Yuno> hi what i  shoud have? wifi card? i dont know i now use linux. who help me?
[15:45] <viktor_> yay
[15:45] <viktor_> thanks EriC^^ once again
[15:46] <prsteele> Hello everyone. I just upgraded to 15.10, and now my second monitor shows garbage images. My cursor renders properly on my second monitor, but any programs are entirely hidden behind the garbage. Any thoughts?
[15:46] <viktor_> EriC^^: do I need /proc ?
[15:46] <EriC^^> viktor_: yeah
[15:46] <viktor_> did*
[15:46] <EriC^^> you need /run if you want to do any apt business
[15:46] <viktor_> so, proc dev dev/pts and sys
[15:46] <viktor_> got it
[15:46] <viktor_> thanks
[15:47] <viktor_> bbl
[15:47] <EriC^^> no problem
[15:49] <mattliladell> How I remove the password on my session
[15:50] <mattliladell> It says me to enter the password each five minutes
[15:51] <mattliladell> I want to remove this
[15:51] <cfhowlett> mattliladell, don't.  that is a security feature
[15:51] <nicomachus> mattliladell: what is asking you to enter the password every five minutes?
[15:52] <mattliladell> Just it give me the box to enter the password
[15:52] <EriC^^> you mean a screen saver?
[15:53] <EriC^^> mattliladell: settings > brightness & lock
[15:53] <brmvb> ola
[15:53] <brmvb> alguem do brasil?
[15:53] <EriC^^> !pt
[15:59] <Bent0> Trying to setup FTP/TLS server. Tried vsftpd and now proftpd. Both of them just hang at login when trying to login. Any ideas? logs show nothing more than a user login or FTP session opened
[16:03] <akik> Bent0: try to start the ftp daemon into a debug mode
[16:05] <hugo_> hola
[16:08] <qqz> ubuntu installation media do not change once they are out for download;
[16:09] <qqz> look what has lately happened to a linuxmint installation CD of me:
[16:09] <qqz> http://pastie.org/10685732
[16:09] <Bent0> akik: nothing relevant is shown :(
[16:09] <nicomachus> !mint | qqz
[16:09] <qqz> anyone here who can comment on this?
[16:10] <qqz> strange; konversation simply does nothing when I try to join this channel
[16:11] <Yuken_> Simple thing, not sure if it would be better to use a macro program though; I'd like to set up a script that automatically hits "J" on my keyboard, sleeps for 2 minutes, hits "K", sleeps for 2 minutes, then loops. How exactly would I do so?
[16:11] <qqz> oops; no w it worked
[16:11] <qqz> thx for your support.
[16:11] <viktor_> EriC^^: hi. unfortunately I still don't get grub at all
[16:11] <nicomachus> Yuken_: sounds like a question for ##programming
[16:11] <akik> Bent0: can the server process access the key and the certificate?
[16:12] <Bent0> How do I check that
[16:12] <lattera> I'm porting an application from FreeBSD to Ubuntu 14.04... FreeBSD has sha256 support built in... in what package would I find a good sha256 implementation (preferably that uses SHA256_Init/SHA256_Update/SHA256_Final convention)
[16:12] <EriC^^> viktor_: what exactly is the problem?
[16:12] <qqz> unfortunately there are no more than seven people online at linuxmint-help
[16:12] <Yuken_> nicomachus, ah, I might ask there as well
[16:13] <qqz> an #linuxmint can only join somebody who has an invitation
[16:14] <nicomachus> qqz: that's because it's #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org, not #linuxmint on chat.freenode.net
[16:14] <qqz> that would not happen if it were Ubuntu; does anyone know?
[16:14] <viktor_> EriC^^: I installed a second OS, and I don't get grub at all after installing it. I ran update-grub and it said 'Adding OS' but nope
[16:14] <akik> Bent0: the process is started as root but it will switch to another uid, e.g. User nobody. i'm not sure if also the nobody user needs to have access to those files
[16:15] <Bent0> lets see
[16:15] <viktor_> EriC^^: sorry, 'Found OS'
[16:15] <akik> Bent0: did you use "DebugLevel 10" or similar to activate the debug mode?
[16:15] <Bent0> Starting it with -nd10
[16:15] <Bent0> Last message in log is dispatching CMD command 'AUTH TLS' to mod_tls
[16:16] <Bent0> and after that nothing happens
[16:16] <akik> Bent0: you can use "sudo su -s /bin/bash - nobody" to switch to the nobody uid
[16:17] <Bent0> akik: When I run it as that It cant access lots of files
[16:18] <EriC^^> viktor_: hmm maybe you're using the grub from the second os?
[16:18] <EriC^^> viktor_: which os are you booted in right now?
[16:19] <akik> Bent0: there's also a way to check the configuration with "proftpd -td10"
[16:19] <viktor_> EriC^^: right now ubuntu live usb
[16:19] <Bent0> akik: no errros
[16:20] <EriC^^> viktor_: ok, so you get the old grub menu right now?
[16:20] <akik> Bent0: apparmor disabling something?
[16:20] <viktor_> EriC^^: no grub at all
[16:20] <EriC^^> viktor_: oh, type sudo parted -l | nc openterm.tk 9
[16:21] <akik> Bent0: maybe try disabling the tls for now and try without it
[16:21] <viktor_> http://openterm.tk/7s7b
[16:21] <Bent0> akik: It works when i just use FTP
[16:22] <viktor_> EriC^^:
[16:22] <jhon_> Hi, just crash my app paked manager Software Updater tell at me update-manager crashed with  Depends in_show_transaction(): libefl-bin (>=201200000000) but is not installed any help appreciated
[16:22] <bl4k3> Hello
[16:22] <EriC^^> viktor_: there's just one os there, and a hfs+ partition
[16:23] <jhon_> so i have remove e17 and go to installed e20
[16:23] <viktor_> EriC^^: the other OS is installed on that hfs+
[16:23] <EriC^^> why hfs+?
[16:23] <EriC^^> is it mac?
[16:24] <viktor_> yes, mac
[16:24] <EriC^^> so you had mac and you installed linux?
[16:24] <akik> Bent0: can you try with some other ftp client?
[16:25] <Bent0> yeah tried that :P
[16:25] <Bent0> Well. I will look at it tomorrow. dinner time
[16:25] <Bent0> thanks akik
[16:25] <akik> Bent0: i'd guess there should be debug messages
[16:28] <viktor_> EriC^^: no, I have a non-Apple laptop
[16:29] <jeanrene> why is this called hexchat?
[16:29] <EriC^^> viktor_: yeah but it's a mac osx?
[16:30] <EriC^^> you had osx then installed linux?
[16:30] <viktor_> EriC^^: no, I installed osx today
[16:30] <EriC^^> ok
[16:30] <EriC^^> and you were trying to chroot into the linux install?
[16:31] <lattera> I love how it's impossible for me to find out how to find a package that has a library that implements SHA256_Init
[16:32] <RMJ> just reinstalled ubuntu across 4 partitions (EFI, Swap, / and /home) via USB but when I try to boot I just get a "no bootable device found" error
[16:33] <nacc> lattera: isn't it in libssl-dev/openssl?
[16:33] <lattera> nacc: I'd rather stay away from openssl
[16:33] <nicomachus> why?
[16:33] <viktor_> EriC^^: I chroot'd smoothly, and I mounted /dev, /dev/pts, /sys and /proc prior to. then I ran update-grub2 and it said 'Found Mac OS on /dev/sda3'
[16:33] <lattera> because I don't need that kind of bloat in this application
[16:34] <EriC^^> viktor_: did you grub-install /dev/sda ?
[16:34] <viktor_> update-grub wasn't enough?
[16:35] <nacc> lattera: ok, did you try using libssl-dev?
[16:35] <EriC^^> no, installing mac would have overwritten grub in the mbr i guess
[16:35] <lattera> nacc: libssl-dev would be openssl, right?
[16:35] <nicomachus> http://packages.ubuntu.com/wily/libssl-dev
[16:35] <nacc> lattera: so you want something not in ubuntu to provide you SHA256_Init? the Ubuntu package is libssl-dev, afaict
[16:36] <lattera> alright, thanks
[16:38] <nicomachus> lattera: libssl-dev is openSSL, not openSSH
[16:39] <sumit> #cyanogenmod-dev
[16:39] <viktor_> EriC^^: I ran grub-install /dev/sda and let's see how that goes
[16:40]  * viktor_ crosses EriC^^' fingers and reboots
[16:40] <karolherbst> hi, I have a problem with one of my ubuntu machines: all userspace processes are only using one core and I have no clue where this taskset comes from
[16:41] <sumit>    /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER sumit tvavkmhyadzs
[16:41] <sumit>    /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER sumit tvavkmhyadzs
[16:41] <daftykins> sumit: don't put all the spaces first - and do that in the *status* window
[16:42] <sumit> #cyanogenmod-dev
[16:42] <sumit> #cyanogenmod-dev
[16:43] <Walkerdine> for some reason when I go to type the # sign I end up with the a different symbol in terminal
[16:43] <daftykins> *facepalm*
[16:44] <daftykins> Walkerdine: sounds like the wrong keyboard layout
[16:44] <Walkerdine> how does one change the layout
[16:44] <daftykins> system settings -> keyboard maybe
[16:46] <Walkerdine> its on generic 105 keyright now
[16:56] <IceNine> @eric^^, finally figured out my ssh without password issue - deleted .ssh on server, recreated keypair on client and used ssh-copy-id.  working like a charm
[16:56] <EriC^^> IceNine: great ;)
[16:57] <Szymcio> o
[16:57] <Szymcio> witam
[16:57] <daftykins> !pl
[16:58] <Szymcio> pl!
[16:58] <Szymcio> what s up?
[16:58] <daftykins> support only, chat elsewhere
[16:58] <Szymcio> why
[16:58] <Szymcio> ?
[16:58] <Szymcio> ok
[16:58] <bazhang> #ubuntu-pl
[16:59] <Szymcio> how can I upragade me ubuntu netbook 9.10 ?
[16:59] <ikonia> Szymcio: realistically - reinstall
[16:59] <Szymcio> :D
[16:59] <bazhang> !eolupgrades | Szymcio
[16:59] <ikonia> you're too far out on EOL releases to really do a realistic upgrade process
[17:00] <daftykins> 100% realistically... throw it in the bin, it's 2016 - netbooks are dead
[17:00] <Szymcio> I use it in my computer :D
[17:00] <Szymcio> becouse my windows 7 was broken :C
[17:00] <Szymcio> fucking shit
[17:00] <Szymcio> XDD
[17:00] <daftykins> Szymcio: don't swear.
[17:00] <Szymcio> sorry
[17:00] <Szymcio> but windows is fucking shit :P
[17:01] <daftykins> what did i just tell you?
[17:01] <Szymcio> I m poor in english
[17:01] <Szymcio> I can dont understand that
[17:01] <Szymcio> what you write
[17:01] <Szymcio> I have another question
[17:01] <Pici> Szymcio: Please don't curse here.
[17:01] <Pici> !language
[17:02] <Szymcio> ok i respect you
[17:02] <Szymcio> I need ubuntu
[17:03] <Szymcio> what version are you sugest?
[17:03] <hay207> hi guys, how to change a fontname with fontforge so that i can see the new fontname in fontviewer program?
[17:03] <Pici> Szymcio: either 15.10 or 14.04, on the condition you upgrade it to 16.04 in April.
[17:03] <Eurynomos> Szymcio: Simply download the latest version of Ubuntu to upgrade from 9.10 as it already reached its end of life cycle.
[17:03] <Szymcio> polacy!!]'
[17:04] <dionysus69> anyone familiar with fingerprint reader driver fprintd? It only gives me fingerprint auth way to authenticate in terminal, why cant I have both text and fpr?
[17:04] <Szymcio> do you like rolling stones?
[17:04] <daftykins> that's off topic
[17:04] <edsnowden> I tried to install Ubuntu to an external USB drive on a 2015 Razer Blade but it overwrote grub on the internal disk despite me saying to install grub to the external USB. Is there a way to prevent this from happening?
[17:04] <MonkeyDust> Szymcio  wrong channel
[17:04] <Szymcio> i don t understand
[17:04] <ikonia> Szymcio: try ##chat
[17:05] <Szymcio> ##chat
[17:05] <Szymcio> xd
[17:05] <daftykins> edsnowden: bit late to be worried now
[17:05] <Szymcio> mick jagger is the best!
[17:05] <edsnowden> @daftykins well I had to revert the internal disk from a backup because it broke BitLocker so I need to try again
[17:06] <daftykins> ah, funky
[17:06] <daftykins> edsnowden: install on another host then connect it up
[17:06] <edsnowden> Yeah I'm hoping someone knows a way to fix that or hide the internal disk from the installer
[17:06] <daftykins> it doesn't need to be installed with the target system
[17:06] <edsnowden> @daftykins Sadly it's my only system at the moment besides a very locked down work laptop
[17:07] <daftykins> edsnowden: well presumably you still have the base system installed to this disk, just no bootloader... so if you booted a live session, you could run grub-install on it
[17:08] <mon> hi. i am trying to upload files into my vps using sftp (/var/www/html) but failed. my username has been granted sudo. i saw the group for /var/www/html is only for root (owner). How can I fix this?
[17:08] <edsnowden> @daftykins that's a good idea. I'll give that a shot. If that fails is there a way to hide disks from the OS?
[17:08] <daftykins> it won't fail.
[17:09] <daftykins> mon: nothing to 'fix' however it can be resolved. chown the document root as www-data:www-data then add your user to the group www-data .
[17:09] <daftykins> you'll also then need to g+w that path
[17:09] <edsnowden> Ok thanks
[17:10] <edsnowden> I'll give it a shot tonight when I'm in front of the machine again
[17:10] <mon> daftykins: how to do that? sorry, still learning to use ubuntu
[17:11] <jarrett_> Is their a forum where I can learn everything about Blackbox?
[17:11] <MonkeyDust> jarrett_  type /j #blackbox
[17:12] <daftykins> mon: "sudo adduser <username> www-data"
[17:12] <daftykins> mon: sudo chown -R www-data: /var/www/html/ && sudo chmod -R g+w /var/www/html
[17:13] <daftykins> mon: after that, close all connections and reconnect to test.
[17:14] <mon> daftykins: thanks. it works. appreciate it so much :)
[17:14] <MonkeyDust> daftykins  +1
[17:14] <daftykins> mon: bear in mind that tripping up on the basics like that means you probably shouldn't be administrating a website.
[17:14] <mon> done  replacing my landing page default apache page
[17:16] <mon> daftykins: ah sure. okay. i didn't plan to do a website. i just want to change the landing page. the rest i am using for open vpn and small stuff
[17:16] <mon> anyway. appreciate it daftykins.
[17:16] <daftykins> ah, insecurity terms you shouldn't run stuff you won't focus on or use - it increases the attack surface :)
[17:16] <daftykins> *in security
[17:16] <volcom1> Hi - I have created Ubuntu server.. Is there an up to date Guide for setting up Torrent Client & FTP client ?
[17:17] <daftykins> don't use FTP in 2016.
[17:17] <daftykins> !sftp
[17:17] <daftykins> volcom1: ^
[17:17] <volcom1> yeah but like --- is there a guide
[17:17] <mon> daftykins: ah i get it your point. thanks xD
[17:17] <volcom1> I can follow
[17:17] <volcom1> to set up client + SFTP
[17:17] <mon> i am learning sql right now . maybe after this will learn how to use linux ubuntu
[17:17] <Pici> volcom1: filezilla is a popular ftp/sftp client, it is in the software center.
[17:17] <mon> need to finish sql first. xD
[17:18] <daftykins> volcom1: your favourite search engine beckons
[17:21] <edsnowden> @daftykins If grub-install does fail for some reasons I did find "echo 1 > /sys/block/sdb/device/delete" which seems to accomplish what I need in a VM
[17:22] <ActionParsnip> wow nearly 2000 users and it's not even release day :)
[17:22] <nicomachus> ActionParsnip: there are always a LOT of people here. Do you have a support question?
[17:22] <daftykins> and 1992 idle, like every other day
[17:22] <daftykins> edsnowden: ok
[17:25] <TmpLine> Who can I ask for information on a package? (default-java in this case)
[17:25] <baizon> !info default-java
[17:25] <nicomachus> TmpLine: you can search for it here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[17:25] <Pici> TmpLine: Where id you get that package name?
[17:26] <TmpLine> I need more information, regarding the version of openjdk it depends on.
[17:26] <baizon> TmpLine: there is no package default-java
[17:26] <TmpLine> sorry, default-jdk or default-jre
[17:27] <baizon> !info default-jdk
[17:27] <TmpLine> if possible I'd like to know when/if that will pass to openjdk-8
[17:27] <baizon> TmpLine: http://packages.ubuntu.com/wily/default-jdk
[17:27] <baizon> TmpLine: openjdk-7-jdk (>= 7~u3-2.1.1)
[17:28] <baizon> TmpLine: so everything above 7u3 will work
[17:28] <ActionParsnip> nicomachus: no, just exclaiming :)
[17:29] <TmpLine> is there a timeline for openjdk-8? or does that depend on what is available on the latest LTS? or debian sid perhaps?
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> TmpLine: there is a PPA for Oracle Java if you desire
[17:30] <TmpLine> I have openjdk-8 installed on my system. but I'm trying to figure out if software line umake should install the latest for each distro or rely on default-jdk
[17:31] <baizon> TmpLine: there is no timeline, just what in debian
[17:32] <TmpLine> ok, so since debian stretch and sid still have 1.7 as default I suppose that would be the same in ubuntu 16.04, right? (unless it changes in debian first)
[17:32] <baizon> TmpLine: yes
[17:33] <TmpLine> baizon: thank you very much
[17:33] <baizon> TmpLine: np
[17:33] <RMJ> is there any point encrypting home folder on install if you encrypted the whole system on the install menu beforehand (assuming there is only one user, me)
[17:34] <nicomachus> no
[17:46] <debug0x1> When I need to connect to my ubuntu remotely, through teamviewer it won't connect due to my ubuntu machine turnning off the monitor when it's not in use.
[17:47] <debug0x1> Is there a .conf file i can tweak somewhere?
[17:47] <debug0x1> <--noob
[17:47] <ikonia> the monitor shouldn't matter
[17:47] <ikonia> it's connecting to the display server not the physical monitor
[17:48] <akik> maybe the computer goes to sleep? :)
[17:48] <debug0x1> No it just dims the monitor.
[17:48] <ikonia> thats a different situation
[17:48] <mario1> .xchat2/budus.so
[17:49] <debug0x1> is there an ubuntu .conf file that deals with dimming?
[17:49] <ikonia> no
[17:49] <ikonia> and dimming isn't the problem
[17:49] <ikonia> a dimmed monitor brightness will not stop team viewer
[17:51] <debug0x1> sigh
[17:52] <nicomachus> debug0x1: why not start at the beginning? does team viewer give you an error when you try to connect?
[17:52] <debug0x1> ikonia: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2227713
[17:53] <debug0x1> Looks like 'i3lock' is what needs to be installed
[17:53] <debug0x1> So that teamviewr detects the monitor.
[17:53] <ikonia> debug0x1: right, the monitor is there though
[17:53] <debug0x1> ikonia: even when it's dimmed
[17:53] <debug0x1> ikonia: yes
[17:53] <ikonia> you said it's there - just dimmed
[17:54] <ikonia> dimmed is just brightness
[17:54] <ikonia> ahhh hang on
[17:54] <debug0x1> it dims and then the monitor isn't reachable by teamviewer
[17:54] <ikonia> it's not dimming
[17:54] <ikonia> it's disabling the monitor with the ubuntu screen saver
[17:54] <ikonia> thats not "dimming" thats actually disconnecting
[17:55] <debug0x1> in archlinux the option is called dimming
[17:55] <debug0x1> in xorg.conf
[17:56] <ikonia> just disable the screen saver
[17:56] <ikonia> see if that works
[18:01] <edjunior> juniper
[18:03] <ub_ubuntu> want to install a new kernel. If i do what happens to the existing kernels..?
[18:03] <nicomachus> ub_ubuntu: what kernel are you trying to install?
[18:04] <HackerII> they turn into pumpkins
[18:04] <ub_ubuntu> 4.1.16 LTS
[18:04] <PeNTaGRaM> .ping
[18:04] <nicomachus> ub_ubuntu: why? and what version of ubuntu are you on?
[18:04] <ub_ubuntu> 15.10
[18:04] <nicomachus> 15.10 is already on 4.2. why do you want an older kernel?
[18:05] <ub_ubuntu> it won't shutdown properly
[18:05] <Glorfindel>  I'm running ubuntu server 15.04 with lubuntu-desktop installed, and despite having the option off, it sleeps every time I close the lid. to make matters worse, if I have the session locked it wakes to a "openbox" login screen that has no usernames listed, and accepts no passwords, the only option at this point is to switch to a tty and reboot
[18:05] <Glorfindel> is there any way to fix this?
[18:05] <nicomachus> ub_ubuntu: ok, well let's deal with that issue instead of trying to install an older kernel... that's not a solution. what do you mean it won't shutdown properly
[18:06] <nicomachus> Glorfindel: first thing I would suggest is upgrading to 15.10, because 15.04 is going to be EOL in a few days.
[18:06] <ub_ubuntu> after i click shutdown or use command line , it shows the ubuntu greeter and hangs after three dots...
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> Glorfindel: not really recommended to install non-lts on a server either
[18:07] <nicomachus> ub_ubuntu: ok. have you checked your logs to see why it's hanging?
[18:07] <Glorfindel> nicomachus, lotuspsychje: ok
[18:07] <ub_ubuntu> no. how do i do that ?
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> !server | Glorfindel
[18:08] <Glorfindel> can I downgrade?
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> Glorfindel: better clean install instead
[18:09] <Glorfindel> hmm
[18:09] <nicomachus> ub_ubuntu: when shutting down, when you get that splash screen hit "Esc" to see what it's hanging on.
[18:09] <ub_ubuntu> okay...
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> Glorfindel: but you can save your /home on a next ubuntu install if you like?
[18:10] <ub_ubuntu> nicomachus:  This happens when i use 4.2 kernel. When i use 3.13 kernel it is proper
[18:11] <Glorfindel> lotuspsychje: I am not hosting anything right now
[18:11] <nicomachus> ub_ubuntu: ok, but there is absolutely no reason for you to want to install the 4.1 kernel. Figure out what the shutdown is hanging on, and then we can fix it.
[18:12] <ub_ubuntu> nicomachus: sure thing..
[18:13] <lord4163> What is the group identifier used for in a process?
[18:15] <anonymous287> virtualbox is better or vmware workstation?
[18:16] <nomic> virtualbox
[18:16] <OerHeks> anonymous287, KVM is better, build into the kernel
[18:17] <k1l> anonymous287: if you need to ask this use virtualbox. that is easier to setup for beginners
[18:18] <nomic> use virtualbox - is integral to ubuntu
[18:19] <anonymous287> now i m using vmware workstation pro
[18:19] <anonymous287> virtualbox, by ubuntu?  or virtualbox by oracle?
[18:20] <Glorfindel> ubuntu has a virtualbox?
[18:20] <nicomachus> no
[18:20] <anonymous287> no
[18:20] <nicomachus> virtualbox is by Oracle.
[18:20] <anonymous287> but there is two virtualbox
[18:21] <Glorfindel> anonymous287: where?
[18:22] <Guest53211> Rolling down the street, smoking Indo, sipping on gin and juice.
[18:22] <anonymous287> there is one :   Installation by the official repositories of Ubuntu
[18:22] <k1l> !ot | Guest53211
[18:23] <nicomachus> anonymous287: they are the same, just different methods of installing.
[18:23] <anonymous287> Installing from the filing of Oracle (the current version )
[18:23] <Guest53211> Laid back, with my Raspberry Pi.
[18:24] <anonymous287> the version downloaded from oracle dont propose 64bits installation
[18:25] <Gallomimia> Guest53211: sorry buddy. can't chit-chat in a support channel with 1900+ people in it. hit up the offtopic channel or pm me if you wanna chatterbox
[18:27] <dipi> how to install tar.gz file
[18:28] <EriC^^> which package are you trying to install?
[18:28] <neredsenvy> Using wget https://www.prestashop.com/ajax/controller.php?method=download&type=releases&file=prestashop_<IP_ADDRESS>.zip&language=en I get a file called
[18:28] <neredsenvy> controller.php?method
[18:28] <anonymous287> we extract them
[18:28] <neredsenvy> instead of the .zip file
[18:28] <neredsenvy> it also does not download anything
[18:29] <dipi> when i extract it using terminal . it always shows a self extract file
[18:29] <nicomachus> neredsenvy: wget https://www.prestashop.com/ajax/controller.php?method=download&type=releases&file=prestashop_<IP_ADDRESS>.zip
[18:30] <dipi> actually i m new for ubuntu
[18:30] <EriC^^> dipi: what are you trying to install?
[18:30] <EriC^^> there might be a package in the repo already
[18:30] <neredsenvy> nicomachus:  tried same thing
[18:31] <nicomachus> neredsenvy: you may not be able to use wget without adding post data. It looks like they want an email adddress, a "what describes you best" option, and a language before downloading.
[18:31] <dipi> it is a soft to run or operate a smart class touch board
[18:31] <nicomachus> yea they're calling the download with javascript. you won't be able to wget that, neredsenvy
[18:31] <neredsenvy> nicomachus: only to get to download page not download the file
[18:31] <neredsenvy> open the url in browsers
[18:31] <neredsenvy> starts the download
[18:32] <OerHeks> wget and https, difficult to do so neredsenvy
[18:33] <anonymous287> tar xzf file.tar.gz   (remplace file with the file name , for example: tar xzf cobaltstrike2.5.tar.gz  )
[18:34] <dipi> ?
[18:35] <ubuntu-mate> nnnm
[18:35] <dipi> file name is ebeaminteractivesuit_<IP_ADDRESS>.tgz
[18:35] <ubuntu-mate> bellaaaa
[18:36] <nicomachus> ubuntu-mate: stop please.
[18:36] <ubuntu-mate> nononn
[18:36] <ubuntu-mate> n
[18:36] <ubuntu-mate> ono
[18:36] <ubuntu-mate> nonon
[18:36] <ubuntu-mate> nnon
[18:36] <ubuntu-mate> non
[18:36] <ubuntu-mate> n
[18:36] <dipi> anybody else ,,,
[18:37] <dipi> any thing else to try ...?
[18:37] <EriC^^> neredsenvy: you have to use quotes with more than 1 get parameter
[18:37] <EriC^^>  wget "https://www.prestashop.com/ajax/controller.php?method=download&type=releases&file=prestashop_<IP_ADDRESS>.zip"
[18:38] <anonymous287> dipi
[18:38] <dipi> thanx...
[18:38] <anonymous287> http://askubuntu.com/questions/17532/installing-a-program-downloaded-as-a-tgz
[18:39] <rey_> in 1 of charts.html, I have this,  {% pie_chart browser_stats with library={"title":"Browser Statistics, May 2013"} %}
[18:40] <rey_> how to dynamic pass in titles from views
[18:41] <Pici> rey_: Perhaps you were looking for #django (or elsewherE) instead of #ubuntu ?
[18:41] <rey_> sorry, U r right
[18:46] <hcorion> Hi all! I'm trying to install a windows application from a disc on Ubuntu. However, when I insert the disk and go into the file manager, and open up the disc there are no files. When I insert the same disc onto my windows PC I can read and install the program. I have been able to read data from the disc, so I think it's software related. I'm running Ubuntu 14.04 and I'm on a laptop
[18:48] <EriC^^> hcorion: try sudo mount /dev/sr0 /cdrom
[18:49] <EriC^^> hcorion: sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 /cdrom
[18:52] <hcorion> EricC I get /dev/sr0 already mounted or /cdrom busy
[18:52] <hcorion> when I run the command, should I unmount it?
[18:52] <EriC^^> type df -Th | nc openterm.tk 9
[18:53] <chochesse_> is it possible to do a net install of UBUNTU onto an existing CentOS server remotely?
[18:53] <OerHeks> chochesse_, sure, if you can boot the mini iso remotely.
[18:54] <chochesse_> i was thinking of repurposing the Swap
[18:54] <chochesse_> configuring that as an ext3 filesystem
[18:54] <hcorion> EricC, I get this: http://openterm.tk/10ti/
[18:54] <chochesse_> mounting it, running debootstrap on it
[18:54] <chochesse_> is mini iso remotely easier?
[18:54] <EriC^^> hcorion: try ls -l /media/user/BARBIE_FAIRYTOPIA
[18:54] <hcorion> I get total 0
[18:55] <EriC^^> odd, try sudo umount /dev/sr0
[18:55] <EriC^^> then try sudo mount -t udf /dev/sr0 /cdrom
[18:56] <hcorion> Ahh, I get wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sr0
[18:57] <EriC^^> try sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 /cdrom
[18:57] <hcorion> wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sr0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail  or so
[18:57] <EriC^^> try dmesg | tail | nc openterm.tk 9
[18:59] <hcorion> here: dmesg | tail | nc openterm.tk 9
[18:59] <hcorion> woops: http://openterm.tk/mph7
[19:00] <hcorion> ok, I can read it now, from /cdrom
[19:01] <hcorion> thanks!
[19:02] <EriC^^> hcorion: no problem!
[19:07] <dipi> how to install self extracting file .?
[19:07] <ikonia> run it ?
[19:07] <EriC^^> you have to untar it first, then read the README
[19:07] <ikonia> dipi: what is the name of the file
[19:08] <ubuntu320> Hi, I wonder if somebody can help me recover an LVM disk - I've totally screwed it up :(
[19:08] <ikonia> what happened ubuntu320
[19:08] <dipi> scrapbook-selfextracting
[19:08] <ikonia> dipi: just run it,
[19:08] <ikonia> dipi: run "file scrapbook-selfextracting" from the terminal to understand what it is
[19:08] <dipi> how
[19:09] <k1l> dipi: i bet they got isntructions on their page or in the readme or something
[19:09] <dipi> ok
[19:10] <vagrant_> help
[19:11] <vagrant_> how do i change my nick
[19:11] <llldino> ./nick <NICK>
[19:11] <vagrant_> thanks for quick response
[19:11] <ubuntu-user> hi
[19:11] <vagrant_> ./nick ~WarlocK
[19:11] <HackerII>  /
[19:11] <vagrant_> sorry
[19:12] <ubuntu320> I have basically been an idiot.  I wanted to extend my root partition.  I extended the virtual disk, attached the virtual disk to another machine, ran some pvresize commands I found in forums and thought I understood but I've gotten totally lost and think I've messed up spectacularly :(
[19:12] <vagrant_> i am new to irc
[19:12] <debug0x1> heh
[19:12] <vagrant_> lol
[19:12] <ubuntu320> ./nick JBF
[19:13] <vagrant_> lol
[19:13] <JBF> :)
[19:13] <vagrant_> not working for me
[19:13] <llldino> You have to omit the period before the front slash
[19:13] <vagrant_> yes i did
[19:13] <EriC^^> you can't use ~
[19:14] <vagrant_> ok
[19:14] <vagrant_> hi
[19:14] <JBF> Does anyone know LVM etc well?
[19:14] <EriC^^> hi
[19:14] <WarlocK> now it done
[19:14] <WarlocK> thanks
[19:14] <pbx> JBF, just jump in and ask your question
[19:15] <pbx> oh sorry JBF  i see it now
[19:15] <Guest31566> lol
[19:15] <EriC^^> xD
[19:15] <Guest31566> why i am named as Guest31566
[19:15] <Guest31566> automatically
[19:15] <EriC^^> somebody has the nick registered
[19:15] <JBF> I thought I had the PV and LV extended but the LV showed as suspended
[19:15] <OerHeks> Guest31566, name is registered, choose wisely
[19:16] <Guest31566> ok thanks again
[19:16] <limez> so many warlocks :s
[19:16] <HackerII> !register | Guest31566
[19:16] <^WarlocK^> there are so many warlocks?
[19:16] <^WarlocK^> anybody here on steam :P
[19:16] <^WarlocK^> playing csgo
[19:16] <JBF> then I followed some instructions for deleting the actual partition using fdisk so I could create a new larger partition but fdisk wouldn't let me create a new partition starting on the same block
[19:17] <JBF> So it feels like I'm screwed
[19:17] <JBF> even if I could revert the changes to the LV/PV my partition table is borked too
[19:17] <JBF> :*(
[19:18] <JBF> I know what the original fdisk info is, I took a screenshot
[19:18] <JBF> is there any way I can pull out the data to a new disk using DD or something like that?
[19:18] <JBF> really out of my depth
[19:19] <EriC^^> JBF: have you tried testdisk?
[19:19] <JBF> no what is that?
[19:19] <EriC^^> it searches for lost partitions
[19:20] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get install testdisk
[19:20] <JBF> ok
[19:20] <JBF> thanks I've got it
[19:21] <JBF> partition table type Intel?
[19:21] <EriC^^> was it msdos or gpt?
[19:22] <JBF> it was a ubuntu server x64 VM
[19:22] <EriC^^> yeah, intel
[19:22] <EriC^^> nevermind, if you were using fdisk then it's msdos
[19:22] <EriC^^> when you get a list of partitions, press p over the partition the list the files
[19:24] <JBF> ok it shows a deleted linux LVM partition
[19:24] <JBF> no option to list files tho, because it's LVM?
[19:25] <EriC^^> did you run the quick search?
[19:25] <bekks> A LVM partition is part of a LVM volume group, and does not necessarily contain a usable filesystem.
[19:26] <JBF> I my feeling is LVM sucks
[19:26] <JBF> :/
[19:27] <JBF> In Windoze I can just expand the undelying block storage and then two clicks I have an extended partition/filesystem; I wish linux wasn't so complicated for simple things like this
[19:27] <bekks> My feeling is LVM is pretty cool.
[19:28] <IceNine> hey all, is there a terminal app that can handle ctrl+c/v?
[19:28] <JBF> doesn't feel very cool to me all I wanted to do was extended my system disk
[19:28] <zykotick9> bekks: "a poor workman blames his tools"
[19:28] <bekks> Expand the disk, expand the partition, expand the LVM PV, expand the VG, done.
[19:28] <bekks> zykotick9: ack.
[19:28] <EriC^^> IceNine: they pretty much all handle ctrl+shift+c/v
[19:29] <dipi> i m still not able to run shellscript .
[19:29] <JBF> yeah bekks I missed the expand partition step
[19:29] <bekks> JBF: Yeah, so you need to do that.
[19:29] <JBF> I tried to do that after expanding the PV/VG
[19:29] <JBF> bekks it won't let me
[19:29] <bekks> JBF: you cannot expand the PV/VG prior expanding the partition.
[19:29] <JBF> bekks somehow I did
[19:29] <bekks> JBF: And the error message is "I wont let you."?
[19:29] <bekks> JBF: Somehoe thats impossible, technically.
[19:30] <bekks> *somehow
[19:31] <JBF> bekks: somehow it did let me expand the PV and VG
[19:31] <IceNine> eric^^, i see now, the built in terminal is shift+ctrl+c/v
[19:31] <bekks> JBF: then you did not use a partition at all. :)
[19:31] <JBF> then I used fdisk to delete the LVM partition with the plan of recreating with tha increased size but fdisk woul;dn't let me start the new partion from the same sector as the old one
[19:32] <bekks> Pastebin sudo fdisk -l
[19:35] <chochesse_> I'm having an issue installing openssl-server on a debootstrapped machine any suggestions?
[19:36] <bekks> chochesse_: Yeah, state the actual issue :P
[19:36] <chochesse_> sec
[19:36] <JBF> bekks pastebin.com/amfAfKaj
[19:36] <JBF> it's sdb
[19:36] <JBF> sda is fine
[19:37] <chochesse_> bekks:
[19:37] <chochesse_> E: Can not write log (Is /dev/pts mounted?) - openpty (2: No such file or directory)
[19:37] <chochesse_> Setting up openssh-server (1:6.6p1-2ubuntu1) ...
[19:37] <chochesse_> start: Unknown job: ssh
[19:37] <chochesse_> invoke-rc.d: initscript ssh, action "start" failed.
[19:37] <chochesse_> dpkg: error processing package openssh-server (--configure):
[19:37] <bekks> !pastebinit | chochesse_
[19:37] <nicomachus> chochesse_: 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[19:38] <chochesse_> sorry :(
[19:38] <chochesse_> but ya that solution doesn't work nicomachus :)
[19:38] <bekks> chochesse_: So use a pastebinit for showing us the error.
[19:38] <chochesse_> alright will do
[19:39] <JBF> bekks I have the start and end sector numbers for the partitions before I tried to recreate them if that also helps
[19:39] <zykotick9> chochesse_: "Is /dev/pts mounted?" <- seems something is wrong with your chroot/debootstrap perhaps?
[19:39] <chochesse_> http://pastebin.com/ExL6Y53x
[19:39] <chochesse_> check out that output
[19:40] <bekks> JBF: So what do you want to do with sdb now?
[19:40] <JBF> well
[19:40] <JBF> if I can get my lvm root volume expanded to fill the disk great
[19:41] <JBF> but even if I can just get my data off the disk that would be something
[19:41] <bekks> JBF: And where is your root volume?
[19:41] <JBF> sdb lvm vg
[19:42] <JBF> sdb5 is/was the lvm partition
[19:42] <bekks> JBF: Pastebin sudo pvdisplay -C; sudo vgdisplay -C; and sudo lvdisplay -C; please.
[19:42] <chochesse_> so no ideas?
[19:42] <BobLobLawBlog> I am getting this error when I start apache Apache is running a threaded MPM, but your PHP Module is not compiled to be threadsafe.  You need to recompile PHP.
[19:42] <bekks> JBF: according to your pastebin, sdb5 still is a LVM partition.
[19:42] <JBF> yes I deleted sdb5 and sdb2, created a new sdb2 and sdb5 and set the type back to 8e
[19:43] <bekks> JBF: With the same start/end sectors?
[19:43] <JBF> but it wouldn't let me create sdb2/5 starting on the same sectors as before so I presume the partition table is now out of line
[19:43] <JBF> no it wouldn't let me
[19:43] <chochesse_> it's worth mentioning that I am trying to install this package inside of a chroot jail that i have debootstrapped with ubuntu
[19:43] <bekks> JBF: Was the message "I wont let you."?
[19:43] <JBF> just complained value out of range
[19:43] <BobLobLawBlog> it's pretty sad I can't even figure out how to install php correctly
[19:44] <bekks> JBF: What was the exact message?
[19:44] <bekks> !lamp | BobLobLawBlog
[19:44] <JBF> in fdisk, when I tried to recreate the partitions and entered the start sector I got 'value out of range'
[19:44] <bekks> JBF: So what did you enter there?
[19:45] <JBF> I let it use the first available sector
[19:45] <bekks> JBF: What did you enter, causing the "value out of range" error?
[19:45] <JBF> originally sdb2 started at 501758
[19:45] <zykotick9> chochesse_: "Is /dev/pts mounted?" <- seems something is wrong with your chroot/debootstrap perhaps?  <ROUND 2>
[19:45] <JBF> so I entered that
[19:45] <chochesse_> zykotick9: yes
[19:46] <bekks> JBF: Which was expected to fail, since it would have overlapped with sdb1.
[19:46] <JBF> no sdb1 ends at 499711
[19:46] <BobLobLawBlog> yea I followed the documenation, I started getting the error after I enabled PHP  sudo a2enmod php5
[19:47] <bekks> JBF: Look where sdb2 begins now.
[19:48] <JBF> oh hell it's the same
[19:48] <JBF> sorry, sdb5
[19:48] <JBF> it did begin at 501760
[19:48] <BobLobLawBlog> bekks then even worse I try to install php-fpm cuz im told its an issue with mod php and this makes it worse
[19:48] <bekks> JBF: so there wasnt sdb2 at all, before?
[19:48] <Encapsulation> for she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses
[19:48] <JBF> yes there was and it started in teh same sector
[19:49] <bekks> BobLobLawBlog: why are you trying to use a threaded webserver when using php at all? :)
[19:49] <bekks> JBF: your statements are contradicting.
[19:49] <JBF> it's sdb5 which I couldn't recreate starting on the same sector as before
[19:50] <bekks> JBF: was there a sdb2 before? If so, which start/end sectors did it have?
[19:50] <chochesse_> oh that's sketchy, I fixed it by removing start
[19:50] <JBF> yes I'm sorry I was referring to sdb2 I should have said sdb5
[19:50] <bekks> JBF: was there a sdb2 before? If so, which start/end sectors did it have?
[19:51] <JBF> sdb2 was originally Starting 50178 ending 83884031, sdb5 was starting at 501760 ending 83884031
[19:51] <bekks> JBF: your numbers must be wrong, 50178 cant be correct.
[19:52] <bekks> JBF: And answer my question again.
[19:52] <JBF> sdb2 was originally Starting 501758 ending 83884031, sdb5 was starting at 501760 ending 83884031
[19:52] <ningu> I have a server running Ubuntu server LTS. I have it set to automatically install security updates, and sometimes it will show a notice saying "system reboot required". are there general guidelines for when it makes sense to actually reboot the server?
[19:52] <JBF> trying to recreate sdb5 with the same start sector as before it gave the out of range error
[19:52] <bekks> JBF: you repeated that fact for the third time. Telling it all over will not help at all.
[19:53] <JBF> bekks I corrected the typo you had pointed out
[19:53] <bekks> JBF: No. You repeated yourself for the third time that you got a value ot of range error.
[19:54] <bekks> JBF: Delete sdb5, and recreate it.
[19:54] <ningu> I always thought it was generally necessary to reboot a server only when absolutely necessary. but I don't know what the downsides might be of not doing so when Ubuntu says it should be done.
[19:54] <bekks> ningu: Not being able to use a new kernel.
[19:55] <ningu> bekks: ok, but why would that make a difference, practically speaking? security fixes?
[19:55] <bekks> ningu: Yes.
[19:55] <JBF> bekks it won't allow the first sector to start before 503806
[19:55] <ningu> ok
[19:55] <bekks> JBF: IS the message "I dont allow it."? If not, pastebin the full, exact, unchanged output.
[19:55] <akik> JBF: try "fdisk -c=dos /dev/sdb" if that lets you re-create the original layout
[19:57] <m82labs>  identify 1ontsurt
[19:57] <m82labs> damn
[19:58] <JBF> bekks http://pastebin.com/KNsqc3GZ
[19:58] <JBF> akik no joy it will allow it to start on a lower numbered sector than before but still not low enough
[20:01] <bekks> JBF: you could try parted instead.
[20:02] <BobLobLawBlog> $ sudo a2enmod php5-fpm ERROR: Module php5-fpm does not exist!   sudo a2enmod php-fpm ERROR: Module php-fpm does not exist!
[20:03] <natePol2001> make sure you've installed php-fpm....
[20:03] <JBF> bekks no joy with parted either
[20:03] <bekks> JBF: That means what exactly?
[20:03] <bekks> JBF: As you can see, no one can help you without specific error messages.
[20:04] <eelstrebor> when using dnscrypt should i set the dns to <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS> (which is what is in /etc/init.d/dnscrypt-proxy)?
[20:04] <JBF> bekks when I give you specific error messages you poo poo them
[20:04] <bekks> JBF: Really? How often did I have to ask you before you actually started to pastebin things?
[20:04] <bekks> JBF: If thats not how you want to be helped, I am out of your issues.
[20:04] <BobLobLawBlog> natePol2001, yes I run sudo apt-get install php5-ftp:  php5-fpm is already the newest version.
[20:05] <natePol2001> hmm....
[20:05] <BobLobLawBlog> fpm*
[20:09] <JBF> bekks sorry but I don't know what more I could have told you about the out of range error
[20:10] <Guest58453> Hi
[20:10] <JBF> I've just managed to create it in parted after switching the units to sectors :)
[20:10] <akik> JBF: if you use that -c=dos and re-create all the partitions, it still won't work?
[20:10] <akik> phew
[20:10] <JBF> akik I just managed to create it with parted
[20:10] <JBF> yeah, now just need LVM fixed
[20:10] <JBF> one step at a time :)
[20:11] <Guest58453> my browser does't open Youtube and Google search site
[20:11] <BobLobLawBlog> start: Job is already running: php5-fpm         wha, why are my .php files coming accross as plainttext
[20:11] <Guest58453> all sites are okay except Youtube Google search
[20:14] <JBF> bekks this is the other output you asked for http://pastebin.com/Dpp1wmup
[20:16] <czwolf> Hello :) I am running a server, for a long time. There is a mono app in it which is being updated. Accross the versions I am getting too often: Sorry, the application gdb has stopped unexpectedly. Any help for that, how can I stop it from crashes. Do I need it to be run? It shut downs my mono server frequently.
[20:16] <plauclair> hi! I was wondering if there was a replacement shell for Ubuntu server with support for higher rez, other fonts and colors?
[20:16] <llldino> Guest58453, Try dumping your browser cacge and cookies and try again
[20:18] <Guest58453> IIIsino How i do that ?
[20:18] <llldino> Guest58453, What browser are you using?
[20:18] <JBF> bekks are you ignoring me now?
[20:19] <JBF> akik I don't suppose you know LVM?
[20:19] <akik> JBF: i've used it somewhat
[20:19] <Guest58453> I have both Chrume and firefox
[20:20] <Guest58453> all the same issue
[20:20] <JBF> mmm I have to go eat wife is shouting lol
[20:20] <JBF> I'll pop back a bit later
[20:21] <Guest58453> Chromium*
[20:21] <llldino> Guest58453, How are they not working? Like, what happens when you attempt a search on google
[20:21] <bekks> JBF: So whats the issue now?
[20:22] <Guest58453> Yes, all sites are opened except Youtube and google search
[20:22] <loveheartjoylove> I need to make Google chrome launch a script when laughed that changes my WiFi network, and that changes it back when closing it. also need help with the script itself :)
[20:23] <kyle__> czwolf: gdb is the gnu debugger  It has nothing to do with mono.  Mono is a free(libre) runtime environment for microsoft's .NET platform, not a server.  Whatever is crashing it's written IN mono, and crashing is causing it to attempt debugging it sounds like.  But you need to find out what the program/service is, and get help with it, not general ubuntu.
[20:23] <k1l> Guest58453: can you upload a screenshot to imgur.com and show the link here?
[20:23] <kyle__> ...
[20:23] <loveheartjoylove> help with my script and binding it to chrome like that I needed this
[20:24] <kyle__> I hate computers.
[20:24] <loveheartjoylove> I like the people on the other end of then
[20:24] <loveheartjoylove> like you you you
[20:24] <llldino> Guest58453, But what happens when you go onto the Google website? Does it load forever? Does it return an error?
[20:24] <kyle__> loveheartjoylove: You've obviously never worked the support desk then ;)  But thanks.
[20:26] <czwolf> kyle__ Thank you. I know the purpose of the programms I am running. The program is a server under mono. So yes, it is an executable. I have 3 or 4 running instances of that server. Some crash some not during the GDB failure. I see not reason why the problem should be in a server or how to find how the server causes it.
[20:26] <loveheartjoylove> kyle__: no I mean I love them with my heart. I've done plenty of support they think you're like a grimey auto mechanic no matter how genuine your intentions
[20:26] <loveheartjoylove> just gotta love them anyway
[20:27] <sansay> Hey guys, i cant recall what the site is that lets me check what the highest version of a package (in this case nginx) based on ubuntu release 14.04
[20:27] <sansay> does anyone know what the site is?
[20:27] <Guest58453> "ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT"
[20:27] <loveheartjoylove> probably git
[20:27] <k1l> sansay: packages.ubuntu.com
[20:28] <k1l> Guest58453: is it blocked by your firewall or router or isp?
[20:28] <sansay> thanks, nginx (1.4.6-1ubuntu3.1) [security] si this the highest supported package? http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/web/
[20:28] <Guest58453> no its open on my phones
[20:28] <Guest58453> but here not working
[20:29] <ioria> Guest58453, try  to ping www.youtube.com    and if it replies  run       firefox --safe-mode    from terminal
[20:31] <telecaster> I'm trying to get ubuntu running on a lenovo z585, I can't boot to live. I just get a blinking underscore in the top left corner of my screen.
[20:31] <telecaster> I have tried acpi off.
[20:31] <telecaster> Any suggestions? sorry for multiple lines.
[20:31] <Guest58453> no reply
[20:31] <ioria> weird....
[20:32] <ioria> Guest58453, what dns are you using ?
[20:33] <Guest58453> how i can know my DNS
[20:33] <lovelinux> hello
[20:34] <ioria> Guest58453, right click on Network icon and Connection infromation
[20:34] <ioria> *information
[20:35] <lovelinux> i am connected to my ISP network with my wifi and isp gave me a username and password to enter and connect to internet how can i do it in ubunto?
[20:36] <lovelinux> i can do it by wired but i don`t know about wifi
[20:36] <Invoicer> hi. i'm trying to dual boot ubuntu on my new laptop. i've tried a bunch of fixes from forum threads but i've run into a brick wall
[20:36] <llldino>  lovelinux If you're talking about PPPoE You'll have to change that in your modem/router setup
[20:37] <Invoicer> i partitioned my hard drive and successfully installed linux
[20:37] <lovelinux> llldino, how?
[20:37] <Invoicer> i disabled fast startup and secure boot. then i ran the boot-repair utility. it ran fine, no errors
[20:37] <llldino> lovelinux, Pastebin ip a for me
[20:38] <llldino> "ip a"
[20:38] <Invoicer> but i still don't see a grub. my laptop directly boots into windows 10.
[20:38] <Invoicer> here's my boot-repair pastebin : http://paste.ubuntu.com/14480366/
[20:38] <lovelinux> llldino, i am using wired now
[20:39] <llldino> lovelinux, It worked over a wired cxn?
[20:40] <lovelinux> llldino, i don`t have problem with wired but i need to connect internet when i connect with my wifi to modem
[20:41] <lovelinux> llldino, i resolve this in fedora with pppoe-setup command in terminal but in ubunto doesn`t work
[20:41] <telecaster> Lenovo z585, trying to clean install ubuntu on a new hd. Boot from usb gets me to the menu, selecting live mode causes a blinking underscore to appear in top left corner. no acpi mode doesn't change anything. Any suggestions?
[20:41] <llldino> lovelinux, PPPoE must be set up if you get internet via a wired connection
[20:43] <lovelinux> llldino, i configure my username and password and dns with pppoe-setup command in fedora
[20:43] <ioria> Guest58453, any problem to find them ?
[20:43] <BobLobLawBlog> how do I disable mod_fastcgi on ubuntu?
[20:44] <BobLobLawBlog> do I just remove it from /etc/apache2/mods-enabled?
[20:48] <Avk> hi
[20:48] <Avk> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_redundancy_check
[20:48] <Avk> should there be another one or two interation in decoding?
[20:49] <k1l> Avk: this is technical ubuntu support. are you sure you dont want to ask in #programming ?
[20:49] <Avk> aa ok,
[20:50] <lerner> hi, I believe my computer keeps looking for servers to establish time and date. Im on xubuntu, and the computer is configured not to look for servers to establish time and date (configuration: manual), but I just logged in and it automatically established the real time and date. Whats wrong?
[20:50] <lerner> the clock battery has been empty for a while, time and date should be jan 2007
[20:50] <sansay> Hey guys, i tried to install a recent version of nginx on my ubuntu 14.04, and im getting an error when i went to upgrade nginx does anyone have any suggestions? http://paste.ubuntu.com/14480653/
[20:51] <ioria> !info ntp
[20:51] <ioria> lerner, check if you have ntp installed
[20:51] <Invoicer> i'm trying to dual boot ubuntu on my new laptop. i've tried a bunch of fixes from forum threads but i've run into a brick wall. i partitioned my hard drive and successfully installed linux. i disabled fast startup and secure boot. then i ran the boot-repair utility. it ran fine, no errors. but i still don't see a grub. my laptop directly boots into windows 10.
[20:52] <lerner> ioria, no ntp installed
[20:53] <Invoicer> anyone? please? i've been stuck for way too long
[20:54] <ioria> lerner, bios utility set ? just asking ...
[20:54] <lerner> ioria, is that a command, or you are asking me to log off and press f2?
[20:54] <OerHeks> Invoicer, i think you countered the UEFI thing, see this manual
[20:55] <OerHeks> !uefi
[20:56] <ioria> lerner, no, it's  not a command ... maybe you have some settings in bios that override the os ....
[20:56] <Invoicer_> sorry I got DCed. did I miss any message for me?
[20:56] <lerner> ioria, damn it.....
[20:57] <ioria> lerner,   SystemSettings -> Time & Date   ... is all ok ?
[20:57] <lerner> ioria, yes, everything there works fine. I configured it NOT to check time and date from servers, but to do it manually
[20:59] <lerner> ioria, if its true that it is a bios setting and my cmos battery is empty, it may be that it returns to dafault values each time I log off. <<< does that make sense?
[21:00] <Li> Is there a default keyboad shortcut to 1) pop a terminal in the current opened folder path? 2)crearte an empty document(file) in the current opened folder?
[21:00] <k1l> lerner: so what is the exact issue? the facts? is the battery empty? and your system keeps time and date?
[21:00] <ioria> lerner,  you cmos battery is empty ?
[21:00] <OerHeks> !uefi | Invoicer, i think you countered the UEFI thing, see this manual
[21:00] <lerner> ioria, yes, it is empty
[21:01] <ioria> lerner,  yes, it resets
[21:01] <sansay> I tried to install a recent version of nginx on my ubuntu 14.04 trusty, and im getting an error when i went to upgrade nginx does anyone have any ideas? http://paste.ubuntu.com/14480653/
[21:01] <lerner> ok... are there rechargeable cmos batteries?
[21:01] <ioria> lerner,  you change it
[21:01] <k1l> lerner: no.
[21:02] <k1l> lerner: they last very long, so you dont have to change them every month.
[21:02] <ioria> lerner,  but usually , if cmos is null, it sets to 1980 ....
[21:02] <ioria> lerner, or something like that
[21:02] <lerner> cant the defaul here be 2007?
[21:02] <k1l> ioria: depends on the bios
[21:02] <ioria> true
[21:03] <ioria> lerner, i don't think is an Ubu issue
[21:03] <k1l> lerner: so what is your issue now?
[21:06] <lerner> that I have to change the cmos battery
[21:06]  * Exyo oinks in #ubuntu
[21:06] <k1l> lerner: that is an issue for ##hardware
[21:06]  * Exyo oinks in #ubuntu
[21:06] <Invoicer_> OerHeks, ubottu, I've tried the suggestions on that page
[21:06]  * Exyo oinks in #ubuntu
[21:07] <Invoicer_> i've even followed the general principles
[21:07]  * Exyo oinks in #ubuntu
[21:15] <squirtle> Yo
[21:15] <nonix4> udev q... any pitfalls I should be aware before assigning ID_MODEL=foo to /dev/sda and ID_MODEL=bar to /dev/sdb ? other hdds should go sdc+...
[21:21] <Invoicer_> yup, i'm close to giving up
[21:21] <Invoicer_> damn. who knew something as simple as dual booting would be so frustrating
[21:23] <OerHeks> that uefi manual should work, maybe this page with pictures is a better help >> http://itsfoss.com/install-ubuntu-1404-dual-boot-mode-windows-8-81-uefi/
[21:25] <anonymous287> how to get information about the bios in ubuntu.?
[21:25] <Invoicer_> OerHeks: well, i've followed those exact steps. just not in the same order
[21:25] <Invoicer_> do you think that might be the issue?
[21:26] <k1l> Invoicer_: of course. if you install in one mode, but then switch and want to boo the other mode. its not going to work
[21:26] <sansay> I tried to install a recent version of nginx on my ubuntu 14.04 trusty, and im getting an error when i went to upgrade nginx does anyone have any ideas? http://paste.ubuntu.com/14480653/
[21:27] <ikonia> sansay: where did that package come from ?
[21:28] <AssociateX> beep beep
[21:28] <sansay> echo "deb http://nginx.org/packages/mainline/ubuntu/ trusty nginx" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list     echo "deb-src http://nginx.org/packages/mainline/ubuntu/ trusty nginx" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:29] <Shaggz_Miester> so im trying to install ardour and i needed the boost c++ libs. got and installed those, now it cant find alsa, any suggestions?
[21:29] <ikonia> sansay: talk to them about their package then
[21:29] <ikonia> it's duplicate with the stock ubuntu one
[21:29] <sansay> ya because the ubuntu one is a really old ersion
[21:29] <ikonia> is it a problem ?
[21:29] <sansay> i wanted to get the newer version, is there a way for me to have ubuntu only use the new one?
[21:29] <ikonia> why do you want newer ?
[21:30] <sansay> im missing some functionality in the older one
[21:30] <sansay> that the newer one has
[21:31] <Invoicer_> FIXED IT! from what I think, the only thing I did wrong was I wrote {bootmgr} instead of "{bootmgr}"
[21:31] <Invoicer_> (basically i didn't write the quotes)
[21:32] <Shaggz_Miester> is ubuntu studio really good?
[21:32] <Invoicer_> but that's what another guide said, so...
[21:32] <ikonia> Shaggz_Miester: I don't think s o
[21:33] <k1l> Shaggz_Miester: what is "really good?" :) you can try it yourself and see if it works for you
[21:33] <ikonia> it's not ubuntu studios fault, they do good work, but the products are not mature
[21:33] <Invoicer_> holy shit, does anyone here watch football/soccer?
[21:33] <Invoicer_> newcastle vs manchester united is 3-3. pretty much all 6 goals were cracking.
[21:33] <Shaggz_Miester> gotchya, i wanted to try ardour just to play around with but im struggling to install so i thought maybe ubuntu studio would work nice and still do all the tech stuff i need to do
[21:33] <bekks> Invoicer_: How is that related to Ubuntu?
[21:33] <ikonia> Invoicer_: not really something we are interested in
[21:34] <ikonia> pleaes control your langauge too
[21:34] <Invoicer_> bekks: off topic. sorry
[21:34] <Invoicer_> anyway, thanks for your help guys
[21:34] <Invoicer_> cya
[21:35] <sansay> is there anyone that can help me with my problem?
[21:35] <ikonia> with what problem
[21:35] <ikonia> just remove the ubuntu pacakge
[21:36] <ikonia> and use the updated one,
[21:36] <ikonia> but I would seriously question why you want the newer version
[21:36] <sansay> i dont know how would i do that
[21:36] <ikonia> open package manager, remove package
[21:36] <ikonia> then install package and it will get the newer version from the external repo
[21:36] <ikonia> but again why do you want the newer version
[21:36] <sansay> because the newer one has functions the old one does not, i need the functionality in the newone
[21:36] <ikonia> sansay: such as ?
[21:37] <sansay> http://nginx.org/en/docs/http/ngx_http_sub_module.html allows me to use more than 1 filter
[21:38] <sansay> how do i access the package manager to remove the package?
[21:38] <ikonia> https://help.ubuntu.com
[21:38] <ikonia> check out the basics of how to install / remove packages
[21:39] <sansay> are you saying i need to install my current version of nginx?
[21:39] <sansay> i need to uninstall my current version**
[21:39] <ikonia> uninstall the old package and install the new
[21:39] <sansay> is that the only way?
[21:39] <sansay> i have live sites
[21:39] <ikonia> why is that a bad way
[21:40] <ikonia> it's 30 seconds
[21:40] <sansay> if all goes well, if it doesnt go well, they all break
[21:40] <ikonia> "they all break" ???
[21:40] <sansay> the nginx server would be gone right?
[21:41] <ikonia> yes, it would delete it
[21:41] <sansay> id be removing the current package
[21:41] <sansay> can i force one package to overwrite the other?
[21:41] <ikonia> that is not a good idea
[21:41] <ikonia> just remove the package and install the new
[21:43] <aerth> where is fun ubuntu chat
[21:43] <ikonia> aerth: what do you mean ?
[21:44] <k1l> !ot | aerth
[21:44] <sansay> ikonia:  why is it a bad idea to force install the new package?
[21:45] <ikonia> what else does it conflict with ?
[21:45] <ikonia> or whatelse will it overwrite ?
[21:45] <anonymous287> can i have information about bios in ubuntu?
[21:45] <ikonia> anonymous287: what sort of info ?
[21:46] <anonymous287> version and other
[21:46] <ikonia> hwinfo
[21:46] <ikonia> dmidecode
[21:46] <aerth> thanks k1l
[21:46] <ikonia> easy to just boot into the bios
[21:49] <anonymous287> ok thanks
[21:50] <Li> Is there a default keyboad shortcut to 1) pop a terminal in the current opened folder path? 2)crearte an empty document(file) in the current opened folder?
[21:50] <LarsK> I did a system testing run, but for some reason, the submission could not be uploaded. is there a way to manually upload the results for the community / devs?
[21:56] <domenico_> ciao
[21:57] <domenico_> qualcuno potrebbe darmi una mano?
[21:57] <allizom> !it | domenico_
[22:01] <gord0> hello just wanted to make sure i'm doing this correctly. tryign to add apt repo -> deb http://releases.galeracluster.com/ubuntu trusty main
[22:01] <gord0> as its not finding any packages
[22:02] <nacc> gord0: did you `apt-get update` after adding the repo?
[22:03] <gord0> nacc: yep
[22:03] <rww> and you're putting that line in sources.list? did galeracluster.com show up in the apt-get update output?
[22:03] <OerHeks> and the keys? > http://galeracluster.com/documentation-webpages/galerainstallation.html#installing-galera-cluster
[22:04] <Krazypoloc> Hey guys - I'm trying to configure a preseed for static IP's on 2 NICs, is that even possible?
[22:04] <gord0> yes added the keys i am following that doc
[22:05] <gord0> i'm creating separate file galera.list
[22:06] <gord0> rww: no it doesn't show up in apt-get update
[22:06] <rww> gord0: did you put galera.list in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
[22:07] <rww> it needs to be specifically there, not /etc/apt/
[22:08] <gord0> rww: no bcuz i'm a fool. doing it now
[22:08] <rww> no worries. that's probably the issue :)
[22:08] <ryanvisual> I am having trouble with my wifi range - I am using RTL8723BE on an HP Stream 11
[22:08] <bekks> ryanvisual: Which kind of trouble?
[22:08] <gord0> thanks :)
[22:10] <ryanvisual> bekks: My laptop's wifi range being severly decreased on Ubuntu but when I had windows on it, the range could reach down street, but on Ubuntu, it decreased to the kitchen.
[22:11] <Jordan_U> ryanvisual: Ralink unfortunately provides poor linux drivers. Atheros and Intel will generally perform much better, if changing the wireless card is an option.
[22:12] <dafb> !2factor | dafb
[22:12] <ryanvisual> Jordan_U: It's RTL8723BE not a ralink card...
[22:12] <bekks> ryanvisual: RTL is Ralink...
[22:12] <ryanvisual> Jordan_U: They are different
[22:14] <ryanvisual> It's RealTek
[22:14] <bekks> Or is it a Realtek? Which is known for the same bad things.
[22:14] <Jordan_U> ryanvisual: Indeed, misread. Sorry.
[22:16] <HackerII> would turning off pwm help ?
[22:16] <ryanvisual> Every method I've tried to fix the range issues doesn't work..
[22:16] <HackerII> ryanvisual:   just for the heck of it,      http://askubuntu.com/questions/85214/how-can-i-prevent-iwconfig-power-management-from-being-turned-on
[22:17] <ryanvisual> Tried that
[22:17] <ryanvisual> Didn't work'
[22:17] <HackerII> then they are right
[22:17] <HackerII> crappy driver
[22:17] <ryanvisual> I also can't replace the wifi card due to it being soldered to the motherboard
[22:18] <HackerII> yit isnt plugged in ?, sheesh
[22:18] <bekks> ryanvisual: you could get another USB Wifi.
[22:19] <ryanvisual> I don't want to have a USB being taken up all the time as there are only 2.
[22:23] <Greencloud> Hi guys, just need a little help with my wireless adapter. For some reason it's not picking up my  signal properly. Sometimes it would connect right away but most of the time it just wont. Thank you
[22:23] <Jordan_U> ryanvisual: https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new/issues/28 details that the problem (for some users at least) appears to be with the linux driver expecting the antenna to be connected differently than some vendors are connecting it.
[22:23] <Greencloud> i have tried reinstalling the network-manager and have restarted the service several times, but  still the same problem
[22:24] <ryanvisual> You have to change the hardware antenna
[22:25] <ryanvisual> Which I am not doing
[22:25] <Jordan_U> ryanvisual: If they do develop a software fix, that bug report is probably where it will be first announced.
[22:25] <Greencloud> i'm just using a USB wireless adapter, it's TP-Link
[22:25] <ryanvisual> I am finding how to change it to antenna 1
[22:26] <Greencloud> wired connection works perfectly fine...
[22:26] <ryanvisual> In terminal
[22:26] <ryanvisual> It doesn't have ethernet
[22:26] <Greencloud> all other devices works OK wirelessly
[22:28] <ryanvisual> Be right back.
[22:29] <vooze> Hi, If my sound in my headset is not as good as under Windows, could it be a good thing to update (if possible) to newer pulseaudio ? I'm running 14.04
[22:30] <HackerII> vooze:  not loud enough ?
[22:30] <ryanvisual> Anyelse have any solutions for me?
[22:30] <vooze> HackerII: that and it sounds better in Windows
[22:31] <HackerII> ic
[22:31] <HackerII> vooze:  just for giggles install QasMixer from synaptic
[22:32] <Jordan_U> vooze: It's more likely that an alsa update would improve your sound than a pulseaudio update (pulseaudio runs on top of alsa, it doesn't replace it). But even before that there are other things I would try first. What is the exact model of your headset? How is it connected (USB, bluetooth, analog headphone out)?
[22:32] <vooze> Jordan_U: its a Corsair H2100 connected with a wireless USB dongle.
[22:33] <vooze> Wondering if its worth it updating to 15.10 insted of 14.04, or I should just wait for 16.04
[22:34] <k1l> vooze: what does "lsb_release -d" give you?
[22:34] <Jordan_U> vooze: If you're only updating in hopes that your audio will be better, then I would simply try a 15.10 LiveCD/USB first and see if the audio is in fact better there.
[22:34] <vooze> k1l: 14.04.3
[22:35] <k1l> if you want to update to 15.10 then you will have to update to 14.10 (which is eol already) then to 15.04 then to 15.10
[22:35] <vooze> k1l: hmm yeah, will probably give some problems.
[22:36] <vooze> Jordan_U: I'm gonna try a live USB insted :)
[22:44] <telecaster> exit
[22:44] <GillesM> hello is there a package for get gettext() call (localization in C/C++) for Ubuntu ?
[22:45] <Jordan_U> GillesM: Gettext is used by many packages that are part of the default install of Ubuntu, possibly most of them.
[22:46] <GillesM> Jordan_U,  ok but what is the package to install gettext include
[22:50] <Jordan_U> GillesM: "gettext"
[22:50] <GillesM> ok thanks
[22:50] <Jordan_U> GillesM: You're welcome.
[22:50] <GillesM> I found gettext-doc too :)
[22:54] <zippo^> Why doesn't Google make a sync of Google Photos for Linux?
[22:54] <zippo^> every sleep, I see?
[22:54] <linuxlove> i connect to my isp network with my wifi and i have username and password from my isp i use from pppoe-setup and set username and passsword and other configuration and then pppoe-connect and get internet what should i do in ubunto?
[22:54] <bekks> zippo^: Ask Google.
[22:54] <zippo^> How can I take with Google, bekks?
[22:55] <bekks> zippo^<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:55] <zippo^> ok thank boss bekks (-:
[22:56] <linuxlove> i connect to my isp network with my wifi and i have username and password from my isp ,in fedora i use from pppoe-setup and set username and passsword and other configuration and then pppoe-connect and get internet what should i do in ubunto?
[22:56] <allizom> linuxlove: do you have a combined modem/router?
[22:57] <linuxlove> allizom, what do you mean?
[22:57] <linuxlove> allizom, i just need configuration for pppoe in ubunto
[22:58] <linuxlove> allizom, i solved it in fedora
[23:00] <linuxlove> i connect to my isp network with my wifi and i have username and password from my isp,in fedora i use from pppoe-setup and set username and passsword and other configuration and then pppoe-connect and get internet what should i do in ubunto?
[23:03] <Jordan_U> linuxlove: There are two possible ways to resolve this problem, 1: I would argue that your Wireless access point is configured incorrectly. You should take it out of "bridged" mode and instead have it completely handle the ppp connection itself, then providing a NAT'd LAN. 2: We can try to setup pppoe (over wifi...) and it will likely work the same way it did in Fedora. Again, I strongly recommend resolut
[23:04] <Jordan_U> ion number 1.
[23:07] <sagerdearia> Where is iptables file saved in ubuntu? 14?
[23:08] <sagerdearia> is it /etc/sysconfig/iptables?
[23:14] <Jordan_U> linuxlove: Did you see and understand my last message to you?
[23:15] <lerner> hi. I sometimes press alt+f2 to block my screen. It is not really blocking, because all a third party has to do to see the screen again (an edit whatever they want) is to move the mouse. How do I avoid that?
[23:16] <HackerII> lerner:  CTRL+L  locks the screen
[23:16] <k1l> lerner: alt+f2 desnt lock the screen
[23:16] <lerner> k1l, what word do I need? dime? darken?
[23:16] <lerner> dim*
[23:17] <k1l> lerner: what ubuntu? what desktop?
[23:17] <chohe_> stop surfing porn at work
[23:17] <chohe_> :)
[23:17] <lerner> xubuntu 15.10
[23:18] <lerner> HackerII, ctrl+l didnt do a thing
[23:18] <k1l> lerner: ctrl+alt+l
[23:18] <lerner> k1l, neither
[23:18] <HackerII> ya, what k1l  said
[23:18] <k1l> uh, seems its ctrl+alt+delete
[23:18] <lerner> not for me...
[23:19] <Jordan_U> lerner: What version of Ubuntu are you using? What desktop environment?
[23:20] <k1l> lerner: did you change that in settings -> keyboard -> application shortcuts?
[23:20] <lerner> Jordan_U, k1l ctrl+alt+delete works...
[23:20] <lerner> I just pressed a different "delete"
[23:21] <lerner> nope, for me is "supr"
[23:21] <lerner> but it works!!! :D
[23:22] <user_shravan> how can I replace ubuntu desktop with openbox
[23:23] <k1l> user_shravan: install the openbox package? or use the lxde package? or the lubuntu package? then choose it at the login screen
[23:23] <bazhang> !info openbox
[23:31] <knob> Hello guys.  Some samba share help please.   I have a samba share that has no username/password.  I can't mount it on my system via command line.
[23:31] <knob> Yet, if I go via Nautilus, the system can browse the directory structure and everything fine.
[23:32] <knob> I can't find a way to use no username or password in the command line.   I tried mount.cifs with the -o guest   flag, and nothing.
[23:32] <knob> Any idea... what or how I could fix this?
[23:33] <JBF> akik I sorted it out
[23:33] <Guddu> What is the best way to ext3 format a SSD Drive in Ubuntu?
[23:34] <Jordan_U> knob: Have you tried using gvfs-mount?
[23:34] <mcphail> Guddu: how would you define "best", as we can't possibly know your preferences?
[23:34] <knob> Jordan_U, not at all... googling that now.   Thank you
[23:35] <Guddu> mcphail, I was told that SSDs need to be properly aligned etc for optimum performance. Not sure if that applies only to windows.
[23:35] <Jordan_U> Guddu: "Best" is subjective. GParted is easy to use, and will automatically result in sane defaults. Why do you want to use ext3 rather than ext4? Do you plan to be using a *lot* of small files?
[23:35] <Guddu> Jordan_U, I am not sure if Cinema projectors can read ext4. Is there a advantage of ext4 over ext3?
[23:36] <Jordan_U> Guddu: GParted automatically aligns partitions on MiB boundaries, which will result in optimal alignment for your drive.
[23:36] <Guddu> This Disk will be connected to cinema projectors to ingest a movie.
[23:36] <k1l> Guddu: use gparted. and dont use ext3, use ext4 for ssds
[23:36] <Guddu> Thanks Jordan_U I will try gparted first. ALso i need to set inode 128
[23:36] <mcphail> Guddu: honestly, just go with defaults. You're not going to notice any difference whatsoever. Life is too short to worry about block sizes
[23:36] <Guddu> k1l, Will cinema projector system be able to read ext4?
[23:37] <k1l> gparted alignes already
[23:37] <Guddu> I know for sure that it reads ext2 and ext3
[23:37] <k1l> Guddu: i would not use anything below ext4 on a ssd
[23:37] <Guddu> Ok. Thanks k11
[23:37] <Jordan_U> Guddu: Why do you need a 128 byte inode size?
[23:37] <k1l> you need trim support.
[23:38] <Jordan_U> k1l: Well, if their cinema projector can't read ext4 then using ext3 is better than throwing the drive away and switching to spinning rust.
[23:38] <Guddu> k11 Jordan_U looks like i cannot use ext4. . . look at this spec http://isdcf.com/papers/ISDCF-Doc3-Disk-Drive-Recommendations-20140226v1.pdf
[23:39] <k1l> if ext4 really will not work (i would test it, since support is in the kernel since a long time) i would go for ext2
[23:40] <Guddu> Jordan_U, It only says "the inode size shall be set to 128 bytes." Does not say why.
[23:40] <Guddu> I will take 2 disks. One with ext4 and one with ext2 format.
[23:41] <Guddu> Question though. When i connect to a ubuntu system how do i get the exact device name? like /dev/sdX . . . How do i get the exact value of X that corresponds to my device?
[23:42] <mcphail> Guddu: interesting paper. Best go for ext3 with the requested inode size, then, if that is the spec
[23:42] <k1l> Guddu: see "dmesg" or better "sudo parted -l" or "gparted"(this is a gui program)
[23:42] <knob> Jordan_U, I installed gvfs-mount... yet... throwing an error.  Error mounting location: volume doesn't implement mount
[23:42] <Guddu> Thanks mcphail . . .
[23:42] <k1l> ext3 without proper ssd support and trim will just wear out the ssd.
[23:43] <knob> I am ... at odds of how Nautilus is able to browse the samba share, yet if I am going to mount it with mount.cifs, I have to provide a username/password
[23:43] <Jordan_U> k1l: Using ext3 doesn't preclude you from using TRIM.
[23:43] <knob> I mean, it's *right there*...  I can't mount it.
[23:43] <Guddu> Does gparted allow me to set inode size?
[23:44] <mcphail> k1l:doesn't look like there is an option to use ext4, according to tthat spec
[23:44] <UbuntuUser> I have a boat load of udp 185 traffic on my machine going to <IP_ADDRESS> .. it is  a fresh ubuntu 15.10 install.
[23:44] <UbuntuUser> Does anyone know what that is?
[23:45] <UbuntuUser> <IP_ADDRESS> -> <IP_ADDRESS>  UDP 185 Source port: 58601  Destination port: 54997
[23:45] <k1l> mcphail: that is why i suggest ext2. no journaling
[23:46] <mcphail> Guddu: reading the mkfs.ext3 man page, it looks as if Inode size of 256 is default, so you'd need to select 128
[23:47] <Guddu> mcphail, Does gparted allow changing it? Or will it use 256 by default and then i later need to use commmand line to make the change?
[23:47] <K1rk> UbuntuUser, I don't think that is a routable IP? lol
[23:47] <mcphail> Guddu: don't know about what gparted does, as I just use mkfs from command line to format drives
[23:47] <UbuntuUser> it is not it is multicast from what I googled... but why is it being generated ?
[23:47] <ChibaPet> UbuntuUser: lsof and/or netstat -nap might help
[23:47] <UbuntuUser> or what process is generating ..
[23:48] <UbuntuUser> ok.. looking at that ..t hankyou.
[23:48] <Guddu> mcphail, k1l Look at the latest spec. http://isdcf.com/papers/ISDCF-Doc3-Disk-Drive-Recommendations-20140226v1.pdf it does talk about Journaling
[23:48] <Guddu> mcphail, I am not good at commmand lines. I wil do some research.
[23:48] <mcphail> Guddu: yes - it recommends ext3 but tolerates ext2, I think
[23:49] <_King> ^King
[23:49] <GillesM> hello I have created a mo  localization for a C program .. where do I have to install it ?
[23:50] <Guddu> mcphail, How do i achieve this "Distribution disks shall contain a standard “MBR” partition table. This is meant
[23:50] <Guddu> to specifically exclude “GPT”, “BSD”, and other partition table types. The MBR
[23:50] <Guddu> partition table shall contain one and only one partition record. The single partition
[23:50] <Guddu> record shall be the first Primary partition record. The partition identifier shall be
[23:50] <Guddu> 0x83, indicating a Linux native partition. "
[23:50] <K1rk> Guddu, http://linux.die.net/man/8/mkfs.ext3
[23:50] <Guddu> I am so sorry for the line break. Won't happen again.
[23:51] <mcphail> Guddu: If I was you, I'd create the partition in gparted (selecting the MBR type) then format the partition from the command line
[23:51] <^King> I have a problem installing a new package on my updated OS.
[23:51] <K1rk> Guddu, should be something like: mkfs.ext3 -I 128 /dev/sd#
[23:51] <Guddu> Thanks K1rk  mcphail
[23:52] <K1rk> Guddu, mcphail is right making the partition in gparted may be easier for you than doing it in, say, fsck.
[23:52] <K1rk> It's ok if gparted formats it, you will format it again when you run the mkfs command.
[23:52] <Guddu> Thanks.
[23:52] <K1rk> Just make sure you choose your /dev/sdX# correctly so you don't wipe the wrong drive :)
[23:59] <Guddu> K1rk, Is there a way to check the current inode size on a device FS?


[06:02] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:25] <cpaelzer> good morning lordievader
[08:54] <cpaelzer> rafaeldtinoco: FYI I started to prep https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu/+bug/1840745 for AMD as discussed
[08:54] <cpaelzer> but before I'd want to complete https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/eoan/+source/libvirt/+bug/1828495 in eoan to then do the SRUs of bother together
[08:54] <cpaelzer> due to that I started on the latter and you will see some requests to test and reivew later on
[10:50] <rafaeldtinoco> cpaelzer: perfect!
[10:50] <rafaeldtinoco> good morning o/
[11:28] <cpaelzer> rafaeldtinoco: hi
[11:28] <rafaeldtinoco> cpaelzer: o/
[11:35]  * rafaeldtinoco found a gcc9 issue in Eoan compiling clickhouse #)
[13:32] <ahasenack> I can't find python-httptools in eoan: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-httptools
[13:32] <ahasenack> I even have eoan-proposed enabled, and for all pockets (main, restricted, universe, multiverse)
[13:32] <ahasenack> but apt won't see it
[13:33] <ahasenack> oh
[13:33] <ahasenack> python3
[14:51] <Odd_Bloke> rharper: https://code.launchpad.net/~daniel-thewatkins/simplestreams/+git/simplestreams/+merge/371523 <-- do you have upload rights for simplestreams?
[14:51] <rharper> Odd_Bloke: I do not
[14:54] <Odd_Bloke> Hmm, OK.
[14:54] <Odd_Bloke> powersj: Could we find someone to sponsor me for ^^?
[14:56] <Odd_Bloke> powersj: (We should probably also spend a bit of time properly dropping the Python 2 packages; I removed one which lintian reported as empty, but not the others.)
[15:08] <lordcirth> Ubuntu 16.04, I have an interface ens2f0, ens2f0.248 vlan interface attached to it, and a br248 attached to that. The bridge has "post-up ip route add <IP_ADDRESS>/22 via <IP_ADDRESS> dev br248". This command isn't getting run on boot anymore (it worked before?) and the logs say "RNETLINK: Invalid argument"
[15:08] <lordcirth> Previously that error has occurred when I try to add a route whose 'via' isn't reachable. But I don't see how that can happen here, given that the br248 config has a static IP
[15:10] <sdeziel> lordcirth: does it work if you run the command manually?
[15:11] <lordcirth> sdeziel, yes, that's the weird part. It has to be some kind of race on boot
[15:11] <lordcirth> How can a post-up be running before the rest of the interface gets configured/
[15:15] <powersj> Odd_Bloke, rcj might be good to look at that once you fix ci
[15:27] <Odd_Bloke> powersj: I don't _think_ we need CI passing on the packaging branches, because we push instead of autolanding.
[15:29] <Odd_Bloke> rcj: Please to be looking. :)
[15:33] <rcj> Odd_Bloke: Looking now
[15:34] <Odd_Bloke> Thanks!
[15:39] <Odd_Bloke> rcj: We don't normally use the autolander for packaging MPs (it's normally review and then push by the submitter).  Let's see what happens!
[15:42] <rcj> Odd_Bloke: You can push, I've reviewed the MP.
[16:06] <Odd_Bloke> powersj: rcj doesn't have upload rights either.
[16:06] <powersj> Odd_Bloke, ok we can ask someone on the team
[16:08] <powersj> ahasenack, rbasak could one of you look to sponsor an upload of simplestreams for Odd_Bloke
[16:53] <rbasak> Odd_Bloke: I'm expecting to see commit ba75825b as an ancestor of ubuntu/devel, but it doesn't seem to be?
[16:54] <rbasak> I think you're meant to have merged master in to ubuntu/devel and then updated debian/changelog and tagged it
[16:59] <rbasak> I can still sponsor though
[16:59] <rbasak> Doesn't look like the commit graph will make a difference to the tooling.
[17:00] <rbasak> Odd_Bloke: tools/make-tarball works for me, or is there a different generated equivalent tarball you'd like me to use?
[17:07] <ahasenack> kanashiro: hi, did you see the bug mail from your openldap sru?
[17:33] <kanashiro> ahasenack, yes, should I do something regarding that?
[17:34] <ahasenack> kanashiro: this is now the verification step, where ideally the person who reported the bug would follow the [test] instructions and confirm that the package in -proposed fixes the bug
[17:34] <ahasenack> kanashiro: this not always happens, or takes too long
[17:34] <ahasenack> kanashiro: so what I do generally is give it a day or two, and if no-one performs the verification steps, I do it myself
[17:36] <kanashiro> ahasenack, ok, I'll keep an eye on the bug then, and if no one test it I will in a couple of days
[18:05] <Odd_Bloke> rbasak: Ugh, the autolander squashes.
[18:06] <Odd_Bloke> rcj: This is why we shouldn't use the autolander! :p
[18:06] <Odd_Bloke> rbasak: I'll have to force-push up a fix.
[18:08] <Odd_Bloke> rbasak: Done; good catch!  tools/make-tarball is what I would use (albeit indirectly via https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/uss-tableflip/blob/master/scripts/build-package).
[19:01] <rbasak> Odd_Bloke: OK, so I'll upload an orig tarball I'll make myself?
[19:02] <Odd_Bloke> rbasak: Yep, if that's OK?
[19:02] <rbasak> Sure
[19:03] <rbasak> Uploaded
[19:16] <Odd_Bloke> Thanks!
[21:36] <lopta> Is there a simple way to list the dependencies of a package?
[21:38] <lopta> I'm standing up what might turn out to be my first production Ubuntu server.
[21:40] <lopta> Well this installer looks pretty friendly.
[21:44] <rbasak> A package that's installed? "dpkg -s package"
[21:44] <rbasak> A package in apt that you haven't yet installed: "apt-cache show package"
[21:44] <rbasak> And look for the Depends line
[21:51] <lopta> Thanks
[21:52] <lopta> Well, I went for it and installed Ubuntu Server and mono-complete.
[21:52] <lopta> ...sadly the version of mono is too old for the application.
[21:54] <lopta> I wonder whether a newer version of Ubuntu Server might open up a newer version of Mono
[21:54] <Odd_Bloke> lopta: What version of Ubuntu did you install?
[21:54] <lopta> 18.04, I think
[21:55] <lopta> uname -a doesn't tell me but I can look up the name of the .iso
[21:55] <lopta> 18.04.3
[21:55] <Odd_Bloke> lopta: `lsb_release -a` would also do it.
[21:55] <lopta> Thanks
[21:55] <lopta> Well, I'll try again tomorrow.
[21:56] <Odd_Bloke> lopta: So it looks like disco (19.04) has <IP_ADDRESS>, but be aware that disco is only supported for 9 months from its release.
[21:56] <Odd_Bloke> So you'd need to be prepared to upgrade in the near future, to continue being security supported.
[21:56]  * lopta nods
[21:57] <lopta> I imagine I'll be long-gone by that point but I'd love to deploy this with Ubuntu if possible.
[21:57] <lopta> Oh weird, I get a 404
[21:58] <lopta> Ah, second time's the charm.
[22:00]  * lopta wipes the vm and starts from scratch
[22:00] <lopta> Thanks for your help!
[23:10] <teward> ... well i'm an idiot >.<  I have an LXD server running off an isc-dhcp-server that is in the same container subnet.  And it had the wrong gateway in the DHCP records and had an IP conflict so internet traffic was asploding to the Internet.
[23:10] <teward> ...


[00:16] <SoftwareExplorer> OK, it sounds like gstreamer. I set gstreamer0.10 as the package for the bug
[05:19] <vistro> Hey, can someone mark bug #486508 as wishlist? thanks!
[05:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 486508 in empathy "feature request: esc key to close chat windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/486508
[06:28] <bjio> omg, it works @_@
[12:47] <yofel> any identi.ca users here that could confirm bug 486631 in KDEµBlog?
[12:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 486631 in kdeplasma-addons "FlashingLabel text is always black in Microblogging widget." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/486631
[14:08] <bcurtiswx_> jcastro: are you available?
[14:28] <m4rtin> Could somebody please change 403717 to wishlist?
[14:31] <bcurtiswx_> m4rtin: done
[14:31] <m4rtin> ty
[14:31] <bcurtiswx_> jcastro: would you be able to extend my bug control membership?
[14:32] <m4rtin> does anyone have estimates on the timeframe for sponsorship review? Submitted 2 patches for bash-completion about a week ago and no response yet...
[14:34] <dtchen> m4rtin: last week many developers were at UDS-L
[14:35] <dtchen> it's unsurprising that most sponsorship reviews are languishing; some will probably be done this week.
[14:35] <m4rtin> dtchen: yeah, I clocked that; just was my first patch and therefore have no idea how long such things usually take
[14:37] <dtchen> m4rtin: well, it is a main source package, which means the pool of reviewers is much smaller than for universe
[14:37] <dtchen> never fear, someone will look at it
[14:40] <m4rtin> :)
[15:23] <bcurtiswx_> dtchen:  did my bug control membership extension reply make it to the mailing list?
[16:21] <magicfab> hi all - I need to remove/reload ath5k when coming back from suspend on a Samsung netbook. What package should I log a bug against for tihs ?
[16:35] <TeTeT> magicfab: got a new netbook?
[16:36] <magicfab> TeTeT, not, it's my wife's :)
[16:36] <magicfab> I think it's solved upstream: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14372
[16:36] <ubot4> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 14372 in Hibernation/Suspend "ath5k wireless not working after suspend-resume - eeepc" [Normal,Closed: code_fix]
[16:36] <magicfab> I am checking if I should have the fix or how can I get it faster
[16:37] <magicfab> or wait for 2.6.32 I guess :(
[16:38] <vistro> bug #486697 might be a wishlist item
[16:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 486697 in transmission "Selection of download folder in Transmission doesn't work as supposed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/486697
[17:51] <B_Lizzard> OK, I'm pretty sure the 100 papercuts thing is over, but here's an additional one:
[17:51] <B_Lizzard> Please make the GNOME keyboard indicator switch with any combination of the selected switch keys.
[17:52] <B_Lizzard> E.g.: Alt+Shift *and* Shift+Alt, not just Alt+Shift.
[17:52] <B_Lizzard> Unless there's an explicit and very good reason not to do so.
[17:53] <B_Lizzard> It's very hard to time your multiple press combinations consistently when writing a paper requiring multiple languages, and I'm about to smash my keyboard. :)
[19:37] <micahg> vistro: ping
[19:41] <yofel> any identi.ca/twitter users here that could confirm bug 486631 in KDEµBlog?
[19:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 486631 in kdeplasma-addons "FlashingLabel text is always black in Microblogging widget." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/486631
[19:42] <vistro> ?
[19:43] <micahg> vistro: I was going to suggest that if you suggest people to install flashplayer, you suggest flashplayer-installer as that works on i386 and 64 bit
[19:44] <dtchen> FSVO works
[19:44] <vistro> ah
[19:44] <micahg> except on hardy/intrepid it's called flashplayer-nonfree
[19:44] <vistro> This person is using 9.10
[19:44] <dtchen> beware nspluginwrapper -- it's either hellish or absolutely necessary
[19:44] <micahg> dtchen: no other option on 64 bit in ubuntu right now from the repos
[19:44] <dtchen> right.
[19:44]  * micahg wants to fix that in lucid
[19:45] <dtchen> we need a real 64-bit release before Adobe will even consider allowing it to be redistributed from archive.foo.
[19:45] <micahg> oh, so the problem is with adobe...
[19:45] <micahg> that makes it harder
[19:45] <dtchen> yes
[19:46] <dtchen> yeah, we've had a couple flashplugin-foo source changes to pull the 64-bit plugin, but those were all reverted
[19:47] <micahg> yes
[19:51] <micahg> vistro: BTW, the person you suggested it to was on i386 so you're ok
[20:30] <jtniehof> is there boilerplate response or additional debugging steps for "dpkg barfed" issues? e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/patch/+bug/486717
[20:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 486717 in patch "package patch (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,New]
[20:35] <yofel> hm, cd issue? (with all those /dev/sr0 I/O and SquashFS errors in dmesg)
[20:39] <jtniehof> yeah, that specific one smells like file corruption to me, but I'm wondering about the whole class of bug reports that just have the dpkg error...like getting at the actual dpkg log, rather than hoping dmesg is that informative. (That one has a dpkg terminal log attached, or something similarly named, but it's only a couple of timestamps...and LP's giving me issues again :) )
[20:41] <micahg> jtniehof: most of them have the apt tem log attached
[20:41] <mr_steve> Anyone knows what's going on with LP? I don't recall any maintenance notices..
[20:51] <porthose_> mr_steve, seems it is down at the moment, they are working on it :)
[20:51] <mr_steve> Bummer. Thanks for the reply
[20:53] <yofel> seems to work again... a bit slow though
[21:55] <BUGabundo> o/


[00:07] <bluesabre> Release team, please let us know if there is any objection to https://launchpad.net/bugs/1372085 - we have ack from docs and translation teams
[00:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1372085 in xubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "[DSFe] Xubuntu Documentation for 14.10" [Undecided,New]
[01:10] <ScottK> bluesabre: Did you send the mail to the translators ML?
[01:11] <bluesabre> ScottK, wasn't sure whether the mail should be sent before or after upload
[01:11] <bluesabre> I can send it now
[01:11] <ScottK> Before the approval.
[01:11] <bluesabre> ok
[01:12] <ScottK> Write in the bug when it's been sent.
[01:23] <bluesabre> ScottK, done.
[01:31] <knome> ScottK, most affected should know this already :)
[01:48] <ScottK> knome: Still the mail should be sent.
[01:49] <ScottK> bluesabre: Approved.
[01:51] <bluesabre> thanks ScottK
[02:02] <knome> ScottK, sure, agreed. :)
[07:08] <jack_> hi, release team, would you please review the FFe request at bug #1371165?
[07:08] <ubot2> bug 1371165 in Ubuntu Kylin "[FFe] Upload ubuntu-kylin-sso-client to Archive for UKSC" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1371165
[07:10] <jack_> Laney, hi, are you around?
[08:28] <Laney> hi JackYu (assume that was you), will look at the queue of ffe requests soon
[10:51] <bluesabre> Release team, please review https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+bug/1372391 and let us know if you approve.
[10:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1372391 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "[UIFe] Update Xubuntu slideshow artwork" [Undecided,New]
[10:52] <knome> i've also pinged Riddell on sponsoring it since he did another upload of it earlier today, but others are free to take it :)
[10:57] <Riddell> you have?
[10:59] <Riddell> knome: any screenshots in docs or anywhere that need updated?
[10:59] <knome> nope, slideshow is the only place we have screenshots in
[10:59] <knome> well in addition to the website, but those are not used for documentation :)
[11:00] <Riddell> knome: groovy, uploading
[11:00] <knome> cheers!
[13:45] <mlankhorst> infinity: I've tested basic KDE and lightdm, made sure that some of the tests that hung earlier on llvm-3.5 didn't regress, and I'll commit to doing .1 before final release, can you give your ok in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1364003 so I can upload mesa 10.3.0?
[13:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1364003 in mesa (Ubuntu) "[FFE] mesa 10.3" [High,New]
[14:44] <Riddell> mlankhorst: ooh new mesa? should I test it out?
[14:44] <mlankhorst> feel free, it's in ppa:canonical-x/x-staging
[14:45] <Riddell> gotcha
[15:04] <Riddell> mlankhorst: when you say you tested KDE what do you test?
[15:05] <mlankhorst> that compositing works without crashes
[15:06] <Riddell> mlankhorst: so you play around with kwin?
[15:09] <mlankhorst> Riddell: yeah just the basic things though..
[15:09] <mlankhorst> enabling/disabling compositing, creating/closing window
[15:12] <Riddell> mlankhorst: and do you test on all the major video card types? cos in the past we've had problems that occur only on 1 type in one of these FFe mesas
[15:44] <Trevinho> Laney: hey, could you put some love on https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1356981 ? :)
[15:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1356981 in Compiz "[FFe] Regression: wrong window decorator applied" [High,In progress]
[15:44] <Laney> Trevinho: I just loaded it up
[15:44] <Laney> before your ping
[15:44] <Trevinho> Laney: ah, cool... :)
[15:58] <rbasak> Could somebody review bcache-tools from Utopic NEW, please? It's a pretty straightforward package.
[15:58] <rbasak> (and small)
[16:27] <infinity> mlankhorst: Commented.
[16:32] <ScottK> infinity: FYI, kwin upstream say's he's not tested this version of mesa at all and if stuff breaks, we're on our own (he's focused on the Qt5 port we'll use in the next cycle).
[16:32] <ScottK> Given the complete lack of kwin expertise in the Kubuntu team, I'm officially concerned.
[16:32] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^
[16:34] <didrocks> JackYu: FYI ^
[16:34] <Riddell> yeah I'm also against it I'm afraid, we can't adequately test it in the time
[16:36] <JackYu> didrocks, great^
[16:42] <infinity> ScottK / Riddell: What level of testing would we need to be happy enough?  We can't stop updating mesa because an upstream hasn't tested, this is part of being a larger distro, we sometimes have to take the hit and do the testing (and even fixing) ourselves.
[16:42] <infinity> THough, yes, the timing is bad, and if we can't test in time, that's a valid reason to NACK.
[16:42] <ScottK> infinity: I'd be less unhappy if I had some idea who "ourselves" might be.
[16:43] <ScottK> (re fixing)
[16:44] <infinity> ScottK: Well, in a Debian context, that would be the maintainers of the packages affected.  In Ubuntu, I'm not sure who should own such a breakage.  If it was "Ubuntu breaking a flavour with our own weird stuff", I'd say Canonical UE owns the problem, but when it's "a flavour needs to keep older versions out of paranoia", that's a bit harder to lay blame. :P
[16:44] <infinity> Anyhow, I'd love to just see enough testing that people were confident enough.
[16:44] <infinity> If that can't be done, you guys can NACK, it's well past FF.
[16:44] <ScottK> How about out of experience that every time we do this, it goes badly.
[16:45] <ScottK> That's not paranoia, that's history.
[16:45] <infinity> Wasn't the breakage in the past API/ABI breaks?
[16:45] <infinity> This one's ABI compatible, I thought.
[16:46] <ScottK> My recollection is that they weren't all advertised as incompatible.
[16:47] <Riddell> I don't think it's paranoia to not want risky FFe updates, that's kindae the point of FFe
[16:47] <ScottK> infinity: Also see Riddell's latest in the bug.  Testing didn't go well for him.
[16:50] <Riddell> I guess I'd like to see testing reports on intel, amd and nvidia using kwin 4 and 5
[16:50] <infinity> Yeahp, fair enough.
[16:51] <infinity> mlankhorst: So, that's no longer a +1. :P
[16:51] <Riddell> from kwin dev mgraesslin: "As with each mesa version it could mean that the
[16:51] <Riddell> world explodes (recently we learned that we are no longer allowed to use lose
[16:52] <Riddell> binding on Intel drivers)."
[19:01] <barry> sru team: i have a package that must be backported to trusty (it's currently only available in utopic) in order to fix a potentially sru'able bug in another package.  is it allowed for the first package to go into -updates instead of -backports?  ftr: we would need 'wheel' to be available to sru a fix for LP: #1290847
[19:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1290847 in python3.4 (Ubuntu) "pyvenv fails due to mising ensurepip module" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1290847
[19:11] <ScottK> barry: Doesn't that also imply a stack of changes in other packages to give them wheels?
[19:11] <ScottK> Also, it probably matters if it has to be in main who would have to say it's OK.
[19:22] <barry> ScottK: it does
[19:23] <barry> ScottK: maybe i should just make the error message say "install python-virtualenv and use -p python3"
[19:23] <barry> and leave it at that
[19:23] <barry> it's *a lot* of effort to backport a proper fix
[19:23] <barry> sadly
[19:35] <infinity> barry: If a less intrusive fix is possible, that's preferrable.
[19:35] <infinity> barry: We *can* backport new sources to -updates as SRUs, and occasionally do, but I'd prefer it's a last resort, not a go-to.
[19:35] <barry> infinity: i think the less intrusive fix is print("go use virtualenv")
[19:36] <barry> infinity: which i'm actually fine with
[19:36] <barry> infinity: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.4/+bug/1290847/comments/48
[19:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1290847 in python3.4 (Ubuntu) "pyvenv fails due to mising ensurepip module" [Undecided,Fix released]
[19:37] <infinity> barry: Functionally, what ends up being the difference between A and B?  Does either (or both) escape using packaged binaries, is there a security impact to recommending one over the other, blah blah?
[19:38] <infinity> barry: If printing explicit instructions on how to use virtualenv solves the issue with no real negative side-effects, I think that's fine.
[19:38] <barry> infinity: there really is no functional difference imho.  it's just that the functionality of virtualenv comes built-in with py3.4 now
[19:39] <infinity> barry: Kay, but the external virtualenv continues to work as well is the implication?
[19:39] <barry> yep
[19:39] <infinity> barry: Could this be hacked to that trying to use the built-in triggers using the external (and print a helpful message instead of a messy backtrace if it's not installed?)
[19:39] <infinity> s/to that/so that/
[19:41] <infinity> barry: ie, could "python3 -m venv" transparently check for virtualenv, error if not install, else fork "virtualenv -p python3", and people could then start using the new interface, even if it's using the old method?
[19:41] <barry> infinity: i'm not sure i like that.  e.g. i'm not positive that the cli switches are totally aligned.  i think i'd rather tell people what to do than do it for them
[19:41] <infinity> barry: Kay, if they wouldn't be 100% compatible, I agree it's a bad idea, so just printing the "yo, this is broken, try the other thing" would be fine, IMO.
[19:42] <barry> infinity: would you like to add a comment to that bug with your official sru hat on?
[19:42] <infinity> barry: Feel free to copy and paste. :P
[19:42] <barry> ;)
[19:43] <infinity> barry: Just make sure the printed message attempts to not be too negative/scary, while also being informative enough that people aren't left with more questions than answers.
[19:43] <barry> infinity: good point