[00:12] <gbellinoz> ra: yeah, but options to apt... --install-recommends and --install-suggests ?
[00:12] <gbellinoz> I've never figured out if I need/should do either of those.
[00:17] <ra> gbellinoz, i install everything up until tasksel, the software installation step, i skip that
[00:27] <ra> gbellinoz, after the system is installed, apt installs depends by default. don't think i've ever used --install-suggests
[01:06] <Anna_> oh my god! I just realized I mistyped vbeinfo! I thought it was vdeinfo...
[01:53] <gbit86> If I want to allow other windows/apps to be always on top - EVEN above the gnome-shell menu bar then how might I do that? wmctrl does not appear to be able to allow for that.. Any ideas?
[02:01] <Ja> .
[02:02] <JanC> gbit86: I think the only way to be above the gnome shell "menu bar" is when you go full screen
[02:03] <gbit86> I'd be willing to recompile it to change that tbh.
[02:22] <devslash> im trying to configure my vpn app from the terminal. when i do something like mullvad account set myaccountnumber I get an error like this: https://pastebin.com/EMqAvXhM does anyone know what this rror might indicate ?
[03:22] <gbit86> Is it ok to talk about Pop!_OS UI improvements one has made in here?
[03:23] <lotuspsychje> gbit86: #ubuntu-discuss please
[03:25] <gbit86> lotuspsychje: sounds good, thanks
[03:48] <neildugan> Hi... I am trying to do a 'apt dist-upgrade' .... docker.io isn't installing correctly ... I get the error message "mv: cannot stat '/var/lib/docker.migrating/*': No such file or directory" ... how do get this fixed up?
[03:52] <Bashing-om> neildugan: Start at the beginning - show the channel in a pastebin ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' so we know that state of the package manager.
[03:54] <neildugan> Bashing-om, see https://pastebin.com/yQTqTrDD for the print out from the 'apt dist-upgrade'
[03:56] <boris> neildugan: here's a workaround https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/docker.io/+bug/1882942
[03:56] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 1882942 in docker.io (Ubuntu) "mv: cannot stat '/var/lib/docker.migrating/*': No such file or directory" [High, Fix Released]
[03:59] <neildugan> ok ... so if this is fixed ... how come it still seems to be a problem?
[04:01] <boris> I'm not sure if it's fixed. bug is still "open"
[04:03] <neildugan> well the workaround does work... that is something :-)
[04:05] <neildugan> the status of the bug is 'Fix Released' ... I don't know if this means the fix is actually applied or not.
[04:06] <neildugan> boris, thanks for the help... the update has completed successfully.
[04:08] <petrj> in "infocmp -L1" output, which key refers to "ESC" key on keyboard?
[04:08] <boris> neildugan: np
[04:47] <Thete> I have 2 nvme drives in my system, main one is Win10, how do I force ubuntu not to install grub to the windows10 EFI Partition and instead install it on the second nvme EFI partition?
[05:25] <EriC^^> Thete: use the manual partitioner
[05:25] <EriC^^> !ping
[05:25] <ubot3> pong!
[05:33] <Thete> EriC^^: I did just now, still installed grub to win10 efi partition I think
[05:33] <Thete> it's aight
[05:34] <EriC^^> Thete: ok
[05:34] <Thete> the way I usually end up doin this is pulling the drives, leaving just ubuntu drive installed and doing clean install, then plug windows one back in
[05:35] <Thete> and then I just get disk images of it and not worry about it again
[05:39] <EriC^^> Thete: in the partitioner did you create an efi partition, and select it as the efi partition instead of the windows one? at the bottom there's also bootloader location
[06:12] <Thete> EriC^^: I did
[06:13] <Thete> it installed fine, it just put Ubuntu/blah.efi on the win10 efi partition anyways
[06:13] <EriC^^> ah, odd
[06:15] <Thete> it's no biggie, I might be doing something wrong still
[06:16] <Thete> I created 512MB efi on /dev/sdb
[06:16] <Thete> then rest of space / on /dev/sdb
[06:16] <Thete> told it to install bootloader to /dev/sdb
[06:17] <EriC^^> Thete: i think by default it'll choose the current efi as efi partitioner, maybe you had to select it and remove 'efi' flag from it, and only leave it for the one you created on sdb, just guessing
[06:17] <EriC^^> *as efi in the partitioner
[06:17] <Thete> ahh that might be why
[07:03] <sentiment> Hello everyone.
[07:03] <sentiment> Could some one please help me with this issue: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2462882
[07:05] <Thete> I thought they changed to pipewire?
[07:05] <sentiment> Did they?! I wish!
[07:06] <sentiment> I'm running 20.10
[07:06] <sentiment> Does pipewire support PA based applications?!
[07:27] <Mekaneck> Thete: they changed to pipwire from 21.04 onward
[07:28] <Mekaneck> *pipewire
[07:30] <sentiment> But I'm running 20.10?
[07:30] <sentiment> no luck?
[07:32] <ThinkT510> you'll need to upgrade to 21.04 anyway before 21.10 comes out if you want to stay supported
[07:32] <tatertots> You might also consider rewriting your post and or editing it. Ending your post with "works perfecting" could give the reader the impression you've solved your own issue with steps preceeding "works perfectly"
[07:32] <sentiment> Is that the answer to my problem ThinkT510?
[07:33] <sentiment> tatertots: but ALSA does work perfectly. I can record with arecord while pulse is not running.
[07:34] <sentiment> OK I edited that line.
[07:35] <sentiment> it was kind of vague. Good now?
[07:36] <gordonjc1> whatever audio problem you're having, it's because of pulse
[07:37] <tatertots> if "perfection" has truly been obtained, there is no justification or warrant for further actions/considerations...use the term "perfect" with caution
[07:40] <sentiment> tatertots: are you fooling around with me? :D
[07:41] <sentiment> you have ignored the if condition preceding it: "Without PA..."
[07:41] <sentiment> anyways, kindly, what are my options besides upgrading to the new release?
[07:45] <shabbz> @kedar_apte - u there
[07:45] <kedar_apte> hey
[07:46] <gordonjcp> sentiment: you need to kill pulse before you do *anything* with sound in most Linuxes these days
[07:46] <gordonjcp> sentiment: I don't know what it's intended to be for but it just totally stops sound working
[07:46] <kedar_apte> were you able to figure out the temp issue with your AMD?
[07:46] <gordonjcp> pulseaudio, systemd and indeed Lennart need to all die in a metal chloride fire
[07:47] <kedar_apte> yes
[07:47] <kedar_apte> will PM you with details
[07:47] <kedar_apte> it is an intereting find
[07:57] <sentiment> gordonjcp: but it's working otherwise.
[07:57] <sentiment> just the recording part is messed up.
[07:58] <gordonjcp> yup
[07:58] <gordonjcp> that's just how pulse works
[08:00] <bibble> MPV missing window border and doesn't prevent screen turning off, when installing Ubuntu 21.04 minimal desktop. But worked normally on Ubuntu 21.04 Live desktop. Anyway to fix MPV issue?
[08:02] <bibble> Not sure why it would work on Live, but not correctly on Full Install.
[08:02] <sentiment> So it seems unlikely that I'll get an answer on  how to fix pulse. So is it possible to use pipewire on 20.10 such it 'It just works"?
[08:02] <sentiment> or are there caveats?
[08:07] <gordonjcp> sentiment: pipewire looks more or less like jack
[08:07] <gordonjcp> sentiment: with various bits of the kxstudio tools strapped to it
[08:08] <Mekaneck> sentiment: why not just go with 21.04 and get pipewire OOTB....
[08:15] <sentiment> Mekaneck: because it feels an overkill solution. No?
[08:15] <sentiment> *feels like
[08:15] <Mekaneck> fiddling around not?
[08:16] <sentiment> if I know the stuff, certainly not.
[08:16] <sentiment> which is why I came here.
[08:16] <Mekaneck> wasting time to get it working is imho, but it's up to you
[08:17] <sentiment> that's one point of view and that's okay. However I believe it's a simple line of config that I'm unaware of.
[08:18] <sentiment> I'd wait a couple of hours anyways, as I've already been waiting for +24 hours.
[08:29] <gigirock> hi all, happy Sunday... only to check new configuration...on libera
[08:36] <Mekaneck> gigamo: then please check your new config in libera,  this is a support channel, thanks in advance ;)
[08:36] <Mekaneck> #libera that is
[08:37] <Mekaneck> gigamo: sorry wrong nick
[08:37] <Mekaneck> gigirock: ^^
[08:39] <gigirock> Mekaneck: are you talking for my configuration about libera ?
[08:39] <Mekaneck> yep
[08:40] <gigirock> Mekaneck: i'm register at libera as usual and I'm using ssl connection, whatelse ?
[08:41] <Mekaneck> there's no need to put it here and it's offtopic
[08:41] <gigirock> Mekaneck: ahhh I'm sorry . will never happen again
[08:41] <Mekaneck> ;)
[10:53] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> hey I have gnome-builder installed in flatpack
[10:53] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> it say's I'm missing zeitgeist-2.0 which is installed via system
[10:53] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> ubuntu 18.04
[10:54] <AaronFarias> type apt-cache search zeitgeist
[10:54] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> tnx
[10:54] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/dfc3c17d42ce82a57d2c067037c13066/pasted.txt
[10:55] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I think I have it
[10:55] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> it's not exactly called like that
[10:55] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> thought
[10:55] <AaronFarias> what's it call?
[10:56] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> meson.build:58:0: ERROR:  Native dependency 'zeitgeist-2.0' not found
[10:56] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> there is no such thing actually
[10:56] <AaronFarias> look at this
[10:56] <AaronFarias> libzeitgeist-2.0-0 - library to access Zeitgeist - shared library
[10:56] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> yeah
[10:56] <AaronFarias> libzeitgeist-2.0-dev
[10:56] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> so if I have it
[10:57] <AaronFarias> do you have them install?
[10:57] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> yeah that was output on system
[10:57] <AaronFarias> those are the output of the packages but it doesn't really mean if they're install until you do sudo apt-get install packagename
[10:58] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> yeah they are installed
[10:58] <AaronFarias> apt-cache search it means you are searching for a package name or a desc
[10:58] <AaronFarias> try verifying one by one ;)
[10:58] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> libzeitgeist-2.0-0 is already the newest version (1.0-0.1ubuntu1).
[10:58] <AaronFarias> there a bunch of libraries
[10:59] <AaronFarias> and I am sure you are missing one of them...
[10:59] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> zeitgeist is already the newest version (1.0-0.1ubuntu1).
[10:59] <AaronFarias> if you need kwirc support ask them directly.
[10:59] <AaronFarias> #kwirc
[10:59] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I think apt search finds all of them, btw I wrote to install zeitgeist-2.0 and it gave me those
[11:00] <AaronFarias> like I said ask them directly to kiwiirc or install them one by one
[11:01] <AaronFarias> all the libs that apt-cache search give you
[11:16] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> Determining dependency 'zeitgeist-2.0' with pkg-config executable '/usr/bin/pkg-config'
[11:16] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> meson.build:58:0: ERROR:  Native dependency 'zeitgeist-2.0' not found
[11:18] <AaronFarias> Ronalds_Mazitis_, read this https://askubuntu.com/questions/994827/why-is-zeitgeist-daemon-still-in-exitstance-how-to-remove-the-database
[11:19] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> everythings fine with it
[11:19] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I have filesearch thing
[11:20] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> otherwise nautilus would not search
[11:20] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> or catfish
[11:20] <AaronFarias> if everything is fine with it... then you wouldn't be here asking for them?
[11:20] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> because gnome-builder says it's not there
[11:20] <AaronFarias> those are missing libraries
[11:20] <AaronFarias> then report some type of bug
[11:20] <AaronFarias> with logs
[11:20] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/72bb70336ff0c3a1a3a11abdc38c4c74/pasted.txt
[11:21] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/bb80c4b9ceab6068af01b33c9768c739/pasted.txt
[11:26] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/6cf9922546fd4d0e9afbdc4e8a7f9460/pasted.txt
[11:26] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> last one is funny
[11:26] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> compiler does create exe in ubuntu\
[11:26] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> :D
[11:26] <AaronFarias> what are you trying to compiled?
[11:26] <AaronFarias> and run?
[11:27] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> gnome-builder build output
[11:27] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> wanna become part of this, it's easy
[11:27] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> https://builder.readthedocs.io/en/latest/installation.html
[11:28] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> imagine being cooler and pushing your own features trough c code
[11:28] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> which is actually easy stuff
[11:30] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> well I'm compiling nautilus 3.26
[11:30] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> for ubuntu 18.04
[11:31] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> https://lazka.github.io/pgi-docs/Zeitgeist-2.0/index.html
[11:32] <Ronalds_Mazitis_>  gir1.2-zeitgeist-2.0:amd64                      1.0-0.1ubuntu1
[11:32] <AaronFarias> instead of compiling do apt-get install nautilus
[11:32] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I have nautilus installed
[11:32] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I need to modify it
[11:32] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I have modified thunar before
[11:32] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> for my own use
[11:32] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> of course
[11:33] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> not some stuff I will push to mainstream
[11:33] <AaronFarias> then read then README and the INSTALL
[11:33] <AaronFarias> and take it from there.
[11:34] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> dude gnome builder gets the right version from actual repo
[11:34] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> and does the thing
[11:34] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> and it is only way to not mess up the system according to #gnome
[11:34] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> https://app.element.io/#/room/#newcomers:gnome.org
[11:38] <bonhoeffer> when i do dist-upgrade i'm still at 18.04
[11:39] <ogra> bonhoeffer, what would you expect dist-upgrade to do else ?
[11:39] <ogra> (it just upgrades your installed packages)
[11:40] <bonhoeffer> ok, thanks
[11:40] <ogra> bonhoeffer, do-release-upgrade will upgrade you to a new release
[11:40] <ThinkT510> upgrade upgrades your packages; dist-upgrade upgrades your packages that also pull in new dependencies
[11:43] <Mekaneck> bonhoeffer: there are many tutorials out there on how to upgrade from 18.04 LTS to 20.04 LTS ;)
[11:43] <bonhoeffer> yeah -- looking at one now -- thanks for the nudge
[11:44] <Mekaneck> :)
[12:44] <davegarath> Hi all, someone can tell me why I can't see xchat in system tray on ubuntu 20.04 ?
[12:48] <Mekaneck> davegarath: xchat hasn't been developed anymore, it's dead, use hexchat instead
[12:48] <davegarath> ok
[12:57] <|macallan|> testing gnome instead of kde for a change. One thing I can't seem to figure out yet is the workspaces. in KDE you got the virtual desktops/workspaces on the top bar to easily "click switch" between them. can I get this with gnome as well?
[12:58] <ThinkT510> |macallan|: they are dynamic. new ones open as you need them. go to activities and you'll see them on the right
[12:59] <Mekaneck> |macallan|: try searching for a extension: https://extensions.gnome.org/
[13:00] <ThinkT510> the default behaviour is that a new empty workspace is generated when the current workspace has an app open on it
[13:01] <|macallan|> yeah saw it now, thanks :)
[13:07] <|macallan|> hmm one more thing, can you make apps show on all workspaces? I have teams/slack on a vertical monitor beside my main one. I'd like to have them showing there even if I on my main monitor switch to different workspaces
[13:09] <|macallan|> ah nm found it, "workspace on main monitor only"
[15:20] <iomari891> reetings. I bought a laptop with win 10 i installed and I immediately removed it and install linux as usual. Now when I boot, I can't get straight to linux without going to the bios boot menu into a maze of options before I can finally boot. Is there ny way to bypass all this efi stuff and get straight to grub?
[15:20] <MidnightLantern> Hi, my system just tried to install an update to the Logitech Unifying Receiver, which failed, and now I can't use my mouse. The error message given is: Unable to update "Logitech Unifying Receiver": failed to erase all pages: invalid command response of c0, expected d0
[15:21] <MidnightLantern> This update was attempted through the ubuntu software GUI app, which I've had nothing but problems with. Seriously considering going back to Arch
[15:21] <MidnightLantern> Can anyone help me get my mouse working again? If not, I'm done with Ubuntu, I don't know how people tolerate it
[15:31] <braewoods> Midnite: what kind of update? that doesn't  sound like regular softwre.
[15:31] <tomreyn> this would be fwupd
[15:32] <Midnite> well it's an update for USB firmware/driver for a mouse wireless adapter.
[15:33] <ioria> Midnite, there's a snap version of fwupd (that might fix your issue), but i can't tewll for sure
[15:33] <waltman> Hi! I'm using a Mac keyboard. I use cmd-tab to cycle through applications. This morning I hit cmd by itself. It shrunk my windows and put a big X in the upper right. It used to be that I'd hit cmd again and it would go back, but now it's not! It's not accepting any keystrokes, and all I can do is close windows! Is there any way to get out of this mode?
[15:33] <waltman> That was after a reboot.
[15:33] <waltman> I've been mucking around with my network settings, but nothing (I think) that would have caused this to change.
[15:34] <waltman> I don't even know how else to describe this to google for a solution.
[15:35] <waltman> I can't actually click on my Firefox window, just the outer window Gnome put around it.
[15:36] <tomreyn> Midnite: which ubuntu release are you running?
[15:36] <waltman> I was typing before so the keyboard works.
[15:36] <waltman> I'm running 21.04 with the latest updates.
[15:38] <Midnite> tomreyn: 20.04.2
[15:40] <waltman> If I click on settings it opens it next to Firefox, but they're both in a mode where I can't actually interact with them and all I can do with it is close it.
[15:41] <waltman> I can move the mouse back and forth and it highlights each window (firefox or setttings) but otherwise won't let me interact with them. Clicking Escape or Enter (or any other key I've tried) has no effect.
[15:45] <waltman> So I take it no one's ever seen this happen before?
[15:45] <ioria> waltman, maybe a screenshot might help ...
[15:47] <waltman> Sure, but I'm not sure how I can take a screenshot with the limited ability I currently have to interact with it.
[15:47] <waltman> I think all I can do is take a photo of it.
[15:47] <ioria> waltman, don't you have a print screen key shortcut ?
[15:48] <waltman> It doesn't seem to be responding to any keypresses.
[15:49] <waltman> https://share.icloud.com/photos/0PNvpItoG6M5xo7JF17Ulk45w
[15:51] <waltman> I'm going to restart on the off chance the network issues were causing this.
[15:53] <waltman> sorry, I didn't realize irssi was on the same box I was rebooting
[15:53] <ioria> Walex2, looks like a work space mess
[15:55] <waltman> Yep, after rebooting it happened again. All I need to do is press and release the Command key and it puts me into a state where I'm completely stuck.
[15:57] <waltman> It should be able to select one of the windows, but it's not letting me.
[15:59] <waltman> Once I'm in this state I can cmd-, alt-, or ctrl-tab between windows (moving the big X between them) but I can't get out of this mode.
[15:59] <entuland> tried with ESC? (just guessing)
[15:59] <waltman> Of course.
[16:00] <bigpod> can anyone help me i have a bind9 dns server on ubuntu with some internal dns stuff and a forwarder to a public DNS and sometimes my ubuntu just doesnt take the internal stuff wouldnt work
[16:00] <waltman> This has basically made my workstation unusable.
[16:00] <bigpod> but after i restart my laptop with ubuntu it can querry the internal stuff for a while
[16:00] <waltman> Is there anywhere else I could try to get help for this?
[16:01] <tomreyn> Midnite: the snap was already suggested. and while https://github.com/fwupd/fwupd/issues/155 doesn't discuss the very same issue, the same solution (use fwupd 1.6.0 or newer) may apply.
[16:01] <ubot3> Issue 155 in fwupd/fwupd "Unifying Receiver Fails to Update" [Closed]
[16:02] <tomreyn> Midnite: also try a different usb port / connector if it keeps failing like this. and show a full log.
[16:02] <entuland> waltman, does this match your scenario? https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/workspace-switcher-graphic-gets-stuck-on-screen-in-18-10/1702
[16:03] <tomreyn> bigpod: hardly enough info. maybe try #ubuntu-server with this
[16:04] <waltman> entuland: No. I don't get to that screen. Though I did just discover that I can do ctrl-alt-up and down to switch between virtual desktops.
[16:04] <entuland> found this other hit as well: <https://forum.manjaro.org/t/stuck-at-windows-switch-screen/66434>
[16:05] <entuland> I wasn't sure about your desktop manager, had to scroll up to see
[16:06] <waltman> entuland: Thanks, that's exactly what's happening with me.
[16:07] <entuland> yw, see if there is anything useful there, seems like they could at least mitigate the issue
[16:07] <waltman> Gnome has been a hot mess for me going back to changes introduced in 20.10.
[16:08] <waltman> Simple updates causing X to crash or syslog fill with errors.
[16:08] <entuland> naughty gnomes, that's why santa didn't accept them as elves
[16:09] <waltman> What's the extensions panel?
[16:09] <waltman> Also, what's manjaro?
[16:10] <waltman> I mean, I'm going to have to reboot just to try it.
[16:12] <entuland> waltman I don't think it matters the kernel there, seems like it's gnome 40 doing that with some apps that don't cooperate
[16:18] <braewoods> dd
[16:18] <braewoods> err nvm
[16:20] <entuland> hey, no shame in dd'ing
[16:23] <waltman> Do you know how to switch layout managers in ubuntu?
[16:26] <waltman> I disabled one of my extensions. I disabled my "Window Action Key", which had been the left command key.. Then I clicked it and it got me back into this mode and now I have to reboot again.
[16:38] <sentiment> Hello and good evening everyone.
[16:39] <sentiment> Could you please help me with this issue? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2462882
[16:39] <sentiment> It sounds like a weird one that noone has been able to address since yesterday.
[16:41] <gordonjcp> sentiment: there's no way to do it, pulseaudio is designed to stop you using sound for anything useful
[16:42] <gordonjcp> sentiment: unfortunately every distro apart from maybe Alpine is infected with pulseaudio and systemd
[16:43] <braewoods> sentiment: because pulseaudio expects everything to be routed through it.
[16:46] <kvn> I've just managed to install Ubuntu 20.05 on a Dell XPS 15 9500 and the wifi interface doesn't work yet. I read that the new kernel version might fix that but I have no mean to connect the laptop to the Internet right now. Is there an easy way I can get a package and all its dependencies onto a USB drive, to manually install them? Talking about linux-oem-20.04b more specifically.
[16:46] <sentiment> braewoods: but I can play audio just fine.
[16:46] <sentiment> and I was able to record as well.
[16:46] <kvn> *Ubuntu 20.04, that is.
[16:47] <braewoods> kvn: it's one of those thin and light  models with no ethernet?
[16:47] <waltman> I'm not entirely sure what I tweaked but I got things working. I think maybe I can click "Activities" in the upper left of the screen to get out of it.
[16:47] <waltman> thanks for everyone who helped!
[16:48] <kvn> braewoods: that's right. Super nice but proving to be a pain for Ubuntu so far. :)
[16:48] <braewoods> kvn: this is why i keep usb ethernet handy
[16:49] <braewoods> you're missing wifi drivers. did you install the latest pont release?
[16:49] <braewoods> point*
[16:49] <braewoods> 20.04.3
[16:49] <kvn> I could very well get one of those, but I was wondering if going through the hassle of manually installing each and every one of the dependecnies for linux-oem-20.04b would be worth it.
[16:49] <kvn> I downloaded the 20.04 iso from the official website today, so I guess yes?
[16:50] <nunya> I'm trying to delete a couple of files in a folder and kept getting  Read-only file system  so I tried sudo chgrp -hR nunya /snap/mari0/6/mari0/graphics/ That didn't work. Still same message. Can anyone help?
[16:50] <braewoods> kvn: lsb_release -d
[16:50] <braewoods> kvn: that'll tell you
[16:50] <kvn> 20.04.2
[16:51] <ogra> nunya, you cn not delete content of snap packages ... they are like CDroms (squashfs filesystems) and only get mounted
[16:51] <braewoods> kvn: i'd try with 20.04.3
[16:52] <braewoods> oh
[16:52] <braewoods> weird thought it wasreleased
[16:53] <braewoods> kvn: what kernel? try uname
[16:53] <braewoods> -a
[16:53] <kvn> braewoods: Linux
[16:53] <braewoods> uname -a
[16:53] <kvn> 5.8.0-43-generic
[16:54] <braewoods> ok...
[16:54] <kvn> Where can one find 20.04.3? It's nowhere to be found here: https://releases.ubuntu.com/
[16:54] <kvn> Or maybe just 21.04?
[16:55] <braewoods> it's not released yet
[16:55] <kvn> But that might very well open a whole new can of worms.
[16:55] <braewoods> kvn: looks like it expects network access to fix this problem
[16:55] <ogra> kvn, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule ... the question is not where but when ;) ... in august
[16:56] <braewoods> you have the  HWE kernel
[16:56] <kvn> ogra: oh nice, thanks for that link
[16:56] <braewoods> you can try downloading the OEM kernel offline but...
[16:57] <braewoods> updates are normally done over the network
[16:57] <kvn> I did that, but it requires other dependencies, which in turn require others.
[16:57] <braewoods> yea, that's exactly why.
[16:57] <braewoods> it's hard to know which ones to grab.
[16:58] <braewoods> it's probably easiest to use usb ethernet  temporarily
[16:58] <braewoods> or phone tethering
[16:58] <braewoods> or similar
[16:58] <braewoods> usb phone tethering should work even with no wifi
[16:58] <kvn> I was wondering if a tool existed to kinda fetch all the required dependencies recursively, for a manual install.
[16:58] <nunya> ogra: I hate the startup logo of Mari0 and try to change it because it's grotesque. There must be a way to change folder permissions and ownership.
[16:58] <braewoods> maybe but i don't know it
[16:58] <IvoCavalcante> kvn: +1 for usb ethernet
[16:59] <kvn> Oh the USB phone tethering could be a solution! Thanks I'll try that.
[17:00] <kvn> IvoCavalcante: I'd have done that straightaway but I'm away from home for another week (:
[17:00] <jeremy31> kvn: Do you know what wifi it has?
[17:00] <nunya> How do I get hexchat to automaticallyjoin this network and channel on startup?
[17:00] <IvoCavalcante> kvn: I see; USB tethering might help
[17:00] <jeremy31> nunya: right click on the #ubuntu tab at bottom and choose auto join
[17:02] <kvn> jeremy31: I believe Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650
[17:02] <nunya> jeremy31: That doesn't seem to be an option.
[17:03] <jeremy31> nunya: did you get here by clicking a link like ircs://irc.libera.chat
[17:04] <jeremy31> kvn: That one might need the 5.8 kernel or newer, it kind of depends on the PCI IDs
[17:04] <nunya> jeremy31: Yes.
[17:05] <jeremy31> nunya: you are going to have to add the Libera.chat to the hexchat server list, I think CTRL + s will bring that up
[17:06] <oerheks> jeremy31, howto for libera/hexchat  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1339682/how-do-i-connect-to-libera-chat-with-hexchat
[17:06] <oerheks> add the name, replace newserver/6667 with irc.libera.chat/6667
[17:06] <jeremy31> oerheks: good, I did mine manually
[17:08] <IvoCavalcante> oerheks: I believe port is 6697 for TLS connection
[17:08] <IvoCavalcante> or 7070
[17:08] <oerheks> IvoCavalcante, sure, you want TSL, no?
[17:09] <IvoCavalcante> oerheks: yeah, just correctiong a type - you wrote 6667
[17:09] <IvoCavalcante> :)
[17:09] <oerheks> no, port is correct
[17:10] <IvoCavalcante> 6667 is for plain text
[17:10] <IvoCavalcante> https://libera.chat/guides/connect
[17:12] <nunya__> ok I think that worked
[17:17] <nunya> Thanks got Hexchat to auto join this channel
[17:17] <oerheks> :-)
[17:18] <IvoCavalcante> are all Ubuntu channels already here on Libera?
[17:18] <IvoCavalcante> I can't see topic info for #ubuntu-arm, for instance
[17:19] <oerheks> channels are there, maybe topic is not set yet
[17:19] <IvoCavalcante> hum; ok, then
[17:19] <IvoCavalcante> wasn't sure they're already "fully migrated"
[17:19] <IvoCavalcante> being active on Freenode still
[17:20] <Mekaneck> oerheks: some haven't been claimed yet or no one has been asigned to the channel
[17:21] <Mekaneck> on the other hand, this is offtopic chatter IvoCavalcante ;)
[17:21] <IvoCavalcante> yeah, sorry
[17:21] <IvoCavalcante> :)
[17:21] <Mekaneck> :)
[17:22] <ogra> IvoCavalcante, oh, thanks for pointing that out ... i think -arm was missed during registration
[17:22] <IvoCavalcante> ogra: NP !  :)
[17:23] <IvoCavalcante> since we're on this still, same holds true for #ubuntu-discuss
[17:23] <IvoCavalcante> now, to be on-topic: when is xorg hwe meant to land on 20.04 ?
[17:24] <oerheks> hwe is already there
[17:24] <oerheks> !hwe
[17:24] <ubot3> The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[17:24] <IvoCavalcante> for 20.04 ?
[17:24] <TJ-> go2Sesame2
[17:24] <IvoCavalcante> I can only 18.04 HWE
[17:25] <oerheks> what is your current kernel?
[17:25] <IvoCavalcante> Am I missing something?
[17:25] <IvoCavalcante> 5.8 (HWE, I know)
[17:25] <IvoCavalcante> asking for Xorg hwe
[17:26] <oerheks> they you have it already, fresh install after 20.04.1 probably
[17:28] <IvoCavalcante> then I may have missed something, because kernel hwe comes from package linux-generic-hwe-20.04
[17:28] <IvoCavalcante> as for xorg, there's only xserver-xorg-hwe-18.04 , not xserver-xorg-hwe-20.04 for instance
[17:28] <IvoCavalcante> thought it was going to be one
[17:44] <sixwheeledbeast> don't believe xorg or any of the graphic stack are part of hwe any more
[17:45] <oerheks> yes it is
[17:45] <oerheks> just read that wiki, if you do a fresh install, or upgrade with 20.04.1, you already have HWE enabled
[17:46] <sixwheeledbeast> not as a seperate package
[17:46] <sixwheeledbeast> well metapackage
[18:00] <neon> hi all
[18:00] <neon> im installing program from ppa but it is says no module named orca.speech how can i install this module?
[18:04] <entuland> "apt install orca" doesn't work?
[18:05] <krytarik> I wouldn't try this btw.
[18:06] <entuland> you mean cause I borked the command? Probably I used "sudo apt-get install <package-name>"
[18:07] <krytarik> No, because installing and all of its dependencies likely won't help anyway.
[18:07] <entuland> oh okay
[18:09] <neon> apt install orca is working
[18:10] <neon> mportError: cannot import name 'debug' from 'orca' (/usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/orca/__init__.py)
[18:13] <krytarik> Huh ok, I was thrown off by the fact the package name doesn't start with "python3-" as usual, but apparently the required module is indeed in it..
[18:13] <leftyfb> neon: at this point I think you need to seek support from the PPA owner
[18:19] <DrkTremos> evening
[18:20] <neon> thanks :)
[18:32] <kvn> braewoods, IvoCavalcante, jeremy31: didn't manage to make USB tethering work, but installing 21.04 fixed the issue. Thanks for the help earlier!
[18:34] <IvoCavalcante> kvn: good to hear. fixes would eventually land on 20.04 through HWE, but you need it now
[18:34] <IvoCavalcante> :)
[18:35] <kvn> Yeah, no Internet access was a bit of a blocker.  I am NOT happy. Who the hell do I contact about this bullshit?
[18:49] <MidnightLantern> It doesn't even work in Windows now!
[18:50] <ecormier> you can't brick a mouse from a driver, if it doesn't work in windows either, I'd start trouble shooting the mouse or the usb slot you have the wireless plugged into
[18:50] <co0n> Hi folks, I am wondering why vagrant images for ubuntu focal require 40G of allocated disk space. This seems quite wasteful, I was running my VMs on a generous 25G and noticed that my resize failed refusing to shrink the volume. One can do a lot with Ubuntu without even hitting the 5G mark, i would reckon.
[18:50] <Mekaneck> MidnightLantern: mind the language please
[18:51] <MidnightLantern> Literally the ONLY thing that has changed ecormier is that Ubuntu tried and failed to update the driver for the mouse. I have tried every port on my computer.
[18:51] <MidnightLantern> So I highly doubt you are correct here
[18:51] <ecormier> MidnightLantern: batteries?
[18:51] <jeremy31> MidnightLantern: Replace the battery, there is Windows software that can check the pairing status of the dongle
[18:51] <MidnightLantern> Windows doesn't even recognize the mouse's wireless dongle as a Logitech receiver anymore
[18:52] <MidnightLantern> I don't think replacing the batteries will fix that!
[18:52] <Mekaneck> the driver isn't installed on the mouse......
[18:52] <MidnightLantern> REALLY?
[18:52] <MidnightLantern> NO WAY
[18:52] <co0n> This is me talking about my test boxes which are continously destroyed..
[18:52] <Mekaneck> MidnightLantern: mind your attitude please
[18:55] <oerheks> "update a driver for my wireless Logitech mouse" ... firmware or driver?
[19:03] <MidnightLantern> someone in the Arch linux chat helped me fix it :) sorry for the attitude.
[19:05] <Mekaneck> thanks for letting us know the solution.... :-/
[19:06] <jeremy31> Don't mention it
[19:09] <IvoCavalcante> I came just for the solution... and nope!   :/
[19:10] <leftyfb> they ran fwupdate and updated the firmware no the mouse. https://jonathanbayless.com/2020/05/03/bricked-mx-master-receiver.html
[19:15] <IvoCavalcante> leftyfb: thanks! didn't know fwudp would take care of peripherals too, learned something today  :)
[19:31] <z0face> hi
[19:41] <z0face> anybody online?
[19:41] <z0face> testing this chat first time
[19:41] <Barcie> Hi
[19:41] <z0face> Ah finally
[19:46] <leftyfb> z0face: feel free to use #libera or #literallyanyotherchannelname to test your IRC client
[19:48] <z0face> Thanks leftyfb, it was so quiet here, so i was not sure if i see the right channel..
[19:49] <sem> Hiya pals. I just spun up a free IBM instance, and it doesn't seem to have less installed; it is ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS though. Could lit be a super minimum install?
[19:49] <sem> s/lit/it/
[19:49] <leftyfb> z0face: this is a support channel. Not a whole lot of activity on a Sunday. Try #ubuntu-offtopic for idle chat
[19:50] <leftyfb> sem: if less isn't installed, then you are running a custom, unofficially supported version of ubuntu. Maybe reach out to IBM for support with it
[19:51] <sem> leftyfb, lol i will try installing less and see what happens
[19:52] <Anna_> ubot3: should the command gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub open the file? Cause it asks me for password, but it doesn't open it. I find the file with the MATE search tool but it cannot be edited.
[19:52] <sem> lol what kind of jank system is ths
[19:53] <leftyfb> Anna_: ubot3 is a bot
[19:54] <leftyfb> Anna_: ls -l /etc/default/grub
[19:54] <Anna_> ubot3 and tomreyn were giving me indtructions yesterday. i don't think bots do that.
[19:55] <leftyfb> Anna_: someone was triggering the bot to give you snippets of information. it's a bot
[19:55] <guntbert> Anna_: ubot3 talks when being told to do so
[19:58] <Anna_> tomreyn: is a bot too?
[19:58] <Chunkyz-RPi> No.
[19:58] <jeremy31> !lts | Anna_
[19:58] <ubot3> Anna_: LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions are supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !Focal (Focal Fossa 20.04). Ubuntu !flavors may have different support durations, check their release notes for information.
[19:59] <jeremy31> Anna_: Like that ^
[19:59] <Anna_> oh I guess tomreyn triggered it then.
[20:00] <jeremy31> Anna_: something like>  gedit admin:///etc/default/grub
[20:00] <jeremy31> Anna_: you will likely have to enter password twice
[20:01] <Anna_> "The program 'gedit' is currently not installed."
[20:02] <leftyfb> Anna_: ls -l /etc/default/grub
[20:02] <leftyfb> Anna_: ^^^ does the file exist ?
[20:03] <Anna_> the file does exist. i can read it, i cannot edit it yet... i'm installing gedit now...
[20:03] <leftyfb> Anna_: are you running desktop or server?
[20:03] <leftyfb> Anna_: If desktop, what flavor of desktop?
[20:03] <Anna_> Ubuntu MATE 16.04
[20:04] <leftyfb> Anna_: you know that Ubuntu 16.04 is EOL right?
[20:04] <Anna_> EOL = ?
[20:04] <leftyfb> !eol | Anna_
[20:04] <Mekaneck> End Of Life
[20:04] <leftyfb> :/
[20:05] <Mekaneck> it's not supported anymore neither is Ubuntu Mate 18.04
[20:05] <jeremy31> Anna_: is gedit getting installed?
[20:05] <Anna_> I know... You don't know the whole story, that's why i was hoping to find tomreyn online. I'm trying for days to instal xubuntu 20.04 but I have graphical issues...
[20:06] <Anna_> okay, let me give you the short version of the stoty please
[20:07] <leftyfb> Anna_: I can tell you, this point, it's going to be a lot easier, cleaner and certainly quicker to just install xubuntu 20.04 from scratch and reinstall your applications and restore from backup then trying to fix whatever is wrong and then upgrade from 16.04(EOL) to 18.04 then to 20.04
[20:08] <Anna_> My laptop's monitor is broken. My only available external (an ancient one) supports only 800x600. When I boot from the bootable usb stick, I can't see clearly the options given and xrandr command doesn't seem to work...
[20:09] <jeremy31> Anna_: so you are trying to add nomodeset to grub?
[20:11] <peto> hi, can you help me? I cant install clang, ubuntu 20.04
[20:12] <leftyfb> peto: sudo apt install clang
[20:12] <Anna_> I always prefer clean instal, but... what nomodeset is? listen, I'm not a linux user as experienced as most of you guys and i don't care abooit terms, I only need to make the interface of the installer viewable!
[20:13] <Anna_> the installer probably detects the broken monitor, it does not adjust to the external one (of course) so I need to change the resolution somehow
[20:13] <jeremy31> Anna_: I think I will leave this to tomreyn if he had some idea on how to accomplish this
[20:14] <TJ-> Anna_ has a valid concern - I noticed several releases ago that the installer assumes displays taller than 800 pixels and so dialog box buttons often are off the bottom of the display
[20:14] <TJ-> sorry, taller than 600 pixels
[20:14] <peto> @leftyfb: i became following error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rZGRFKT2YW/
[20:14] <leftyfb> Anna_: Here is another option, there's a local makerspace in your area, I'm willing to bet if you reached out to them they might be able to help you with this. At the very least be able to temporarily provide a monitor they supports a higher resolution so you can run your installation. https://athensmakerspace.com/about-us-gr/
[20:15] <leftyfb> peto: apt-cache policy clang clang-10 | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:15] <TJ-> leftyfb: how about the ubuntu-server installer - is it's "GUI" going to have the same issue do you think? if it is really TUI/ncurses then a viable solution for Anna_ may be to use the -server installer initially, then add the desktop packags
[20:16] <leftyfb> TJ-: I'm willing to bet that would help, but I can tell you going from server -> desktop does not always work out the way you think
[20:17] <leftyfb> TJ-: It's a pitty the mini.iso with the D-I isn't still a thing, that used to work perfectly for me with these issues
[20:19] <TJ-> leftyfb: well, I do installs even more basic than that (from debootstrap) to desktop and it's never a problem "sudo debootstrap focal /target --include xubuntu-desktop"
[20:19] <peto> @leftyfb: https://termbin.com/zzlh
[20:21] <leftyfb> peto: I'm not sure of the issue. What I can recommend is trying to use the us.archive.ubuntu mirror as opposed to sk.archive.ubuntu.com and see if that helps. Running this after updating the update: sudo apt update ; sudo apt install clang
[20:21] <Anna_> leftyfb: How do you know I'm from Athens ?!? (that's a bit creepy)
[20:22] <leftyfb> Anna_: it's IRC, your hostname is part of your ident, and it's very trivial to look up an ip address and get a rough idea of it's origin
[20:22] <leftyfb> Anna_: as creepy as it may be, it might help you
[20:24] <Anna_> shouldn't the xrandr command should work? I opened the terminal with super+T while boot from usb, bit it didn't work. tomreyn said something about tty, but I'm not sure I got right what he menat
[20:25] <Anna_> meant
[20:25] <Anna_> thus my try to reach the grib file
[20:25] <Anna_> grub
[20:26] <leftyfb> Anna_: editing the grub file while in the ubuntu installer isn't going to help you at all
[20:26] <leftyfb> Anna_: ok, how about this, is installing ubuntu from scratch a viable solution for you right now?
[20:27] <Anna_> I know. the OS isn't installed yet, so I can't login as ppy terminal asks me to. I tried on MATE and I still couldn't edit it...
[20:28] <TJ-> Anna_: what exactly happens when you execute "xrandr" ? does it error? does it list any 'outputs' (video ports e.g VGA, HDMI)?
[20:29] <bonhoeffer> i'm hoping to install k8s via apt -- bad idea on ubuntu 20.04
[20:29] <bonhoeffer> ?
[20:30] <Anna_> I boot from usb, wait for the installer to stop at the initial graphicak screen, then I press super+T, terminal opens and I type "xrandr -s 800x600". The result is to go black like the monitor got disconected or something.
[20:30] <peto> @leftyfb still the same problem, I tried another mirros, but still the same error message
[20:31] <jeremy31> Anna_: No FN keyboard combo to switch monitor output?
[20:32] <dieggo> irc.rizon.net
[20:33] <TJ-> Anna_:  don't try to force a mode. First find out what modes the monitor is offering with "xrandr -q" ... then select a mode using "xrandr --mode <modename>" - maybe start out ensuring it'll use the lowest resolution (e.g. 640x480) and once you know that works try 800x600
[20:34] <TJ-> Anna_: it might be an issue with the --rate value (refresh rate) not the resolution
[20:36] <Anna_> on toshiba tecra (my laptop), if you press FN+F5, the rsolution can be changed, but only on the installed OS. While on installer, it on;y opens ...something... a menu? which I can't even see what it is, and arrow keys don't seem to work (in case it was resolution preference). The reason why i was hoping to have a working command is because typing blindly something is the only thing I can do relatively safely.
[20:37] <Anna_> I tried the vbeinfo command and the result was a list I'm not I understand
[20:38] <Anna_> I'll try "xrandr -q
[20:40] <Anna_> Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 800 x 600, maximum 32767 x 32767
[20:40] <Anna_> LVDS1 connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
[20:40] <Anna_>    1280x800      60.00 +
[20:40] <Anna_>    1024x768      60.00
[20:40] <Anna_>    800x600       60.32    56.25
[20:40] <Anna_>    640x480       59.94
[20:40] <TJ-> Anna_: it could be the monitor isn't telling the PC what modes it supports (this is called EDID) and therefore the OS/PC is assuming it can use the SVGA standard modes. If the monitor really doesn't like those modes, that may explain your issue
[20:41] <TJ-> Anna_: "LVDS" is the internal LCD of the laptop. You likely just need to disable that output, assuming there is also listed the External monitor
[20:42] <Anna_> was I banned for a minute? did I miss something?
[20:42] <TJ-> Anna_: try this: "sudo apt install pastebinit; pastebinit <( xrandr -q )" and give us the URL
[20:42] <TJ-> Anna_: yeah, you got 'quieted' because you pasted too much text. Use the command above which will put the results in a pastebin
[20:42] <leftyfb> TJ-: easier to just use termbin
[20:43] <leftyfb> Anna_: if you have trouble installing or with pastebin, you can do:   xrandr -q | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:45] <Anna_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jx5SWPfjkC/
[20:47] <Anna_> I'm sure my older brother would laugh now. (it used to be his pc)
[20:48] <Anna_> I tried to disable the internal monitor on display settings, but that's applied only for the MATE account of course
[20:50] <Anna_> I hate MATE. It looks like being full of bugs
[20:52] <leftyfb> Anna_: please tell me you are doing all of these things from the ubuntu installer and not your locally install 16.04 installation
[20:52] <leftyfb> Anna_: nothing you do on the ubuntu installed on your computer is going to affect how the usb installer acts or looks
[20:53] <Anna_> How could I do anything from the installer at this point ?!?
[20:53] <jeremy31> Anna_: Is it possible to disconnect the laptop monitor?  See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSUclzQX6vY
[20:54] <leftyfb> Anna_: nothing you do with ubuntu 16.04 is going to help your usb installer at all
[20:54] <jeremy31> If that broken monitor is disconnected it might use the external by default where you can use it
[20:55] <leftyfb> Anna_: are you just trying to get ubuntu installed on this machine?
[20:55] <Anna_> That's what i thought too, Jeremy, but I had no idea how could someone do that
[20:55] <TJ-> Anna_: disabling can also be done using "xrandr --output LVDS1 --off"
[20:56] <Anna_> okay, if I use that command here on MATE, will the internal monitor stay disabled with usb?
[20:57] <leftyfb> Anna_: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso   I highly recommend downloading that, imaging a usb flash drive with it and installing ubuntu with it. You will need to be connected to the internet with ethernet. That will install Ubuntu 18.04 with your choice of desktop (xubuntu if you like) and using the old text-based installer which will work fine at lower resolutions. Once that
[20:57] <leftyfb> is installed you can then upgrade to 20.04
[20:57] <leftyfb> Anna_: no, anything you do on the installed Ubuntu with have zero affect on the usb installer
[20:58] <leftyfb> TJ-: Anna_ is making all these changes on the installed 16.04 with the false assumption that it will help the usb installer
[20:58] <TJ-> leftyfb: right, I know, BUT, this is also teaching the same commands that will work when in the installer
[20:58] <leftyfb> TJ-: I don't think she can SEE the installer
[20:59] <jeremy31> Something like this in grub?  https://superuser.com/a/636783
[20:59] <leftyfb> TJ-: unless you are suggesting doing all of this blind
[20:59] <TJ-> "I boot from usb, wait for the installer to stop at the initial graphicak screen, then I press super+T, terminal opens and I type "xrandr -s 800x600". The result is to go black like the monitor got disconected or something."
[21:00] <Anna_> i can't see the instakker, but, as I said, I can copy a command on a piece of paper and then type it blindly on installer's terminal.
[21:00] <Anna_> that's the easiest
[21:01] <TJ-> Anna_: how about we tell the kernel to disable the LVDS1 device?
[21:02] <Anna_> the internal monitor is dead. i woll not ever need it again, if that is what you ask me
[21:05] <Anna_> so should I try the "xrandr --output LVDS1 --off" while on installer's terminal?
[21:06] <Anna_> is it safe?
[21:07] <jeremy31> Anna_: It can't break the laptop monitor any more than it is already
[21:08] <Anna_> yeah, I mean it's only a change which can be cancelled by simply turning off the computer before installing, right?
[21:12] <jeremy31> On the terminal on the installer, no way it will be permanent
[21:13] <Anna_> I think it's an idea worth-trying.
[21:16] <TJ-> Anna_: there is a way to add an option to the kernel command-line when the installer bootloader starts, and that would allow you to disable the laptop display and therefore the VGA display should be used by the installer. The option to add would be:  "video=LVDS1:d"
[21:17] <TJ-> Anna_: I have to go so I cannot talk you through that process, but others here can
[21:18] <TJ-> Anna_: but it's generally a case of first identifying whether the installer is booting in BIOS mode (and thus uses the syslinux bootloader) or UEFI mode (and uses GRUB) - depending on which it is, the process of editing the kernel command line is different
[21:18] <Anna_> I need to turn my computer off in 5 minutes. jeremy, lefty, tj, thank you all for your time. I will be back to update you. Keep additional ideas in mind if any until then. THANK YOU
[21:18] <Anna_> will you be gere tomoroow?
[21:19] <Anna_> here
[21:19] <TJ-> I won't
[21:19] <leftyfb> Anna_: you should also reach out to that makerspace to see if they might be able to help with the monitor situation
[21:20] <TJ-> but others are knowledgeable about how to add kernel command-line options when using the installer. Just write down the option "video=LVDS1:d"
[21:20] <TJ-> leftyfb: if it is anything like the UK, maker-spaces are closed still due to CoVID
[21:21] <Anna_> shouldn't I try "xrandr --output LVDS1 --off" first?
[21:22] <Anna_> I will try both. kefty, in Athens we had a HARD lockdown, but thank you anyway
[21:22] <Anna_> lefty
[21:22] <TJ-> Anna_: sure, but with my suggestion the VGA would be the primary monitor for everything
[21:23] <TJ-> Anna_: so you wouldn't have to suffer a blank screen and wouldn't need to blindly type
[21:23] <Anna_> I need to go. thank you thank you thank you, see you later, kisses
[21:29] <psuedream> hey pals, i have a very profound question
[21:29] <psuedream> if I run a 'ls -l' the first information it shows me is a number - I cannot figure out whats the meaning of this number. not even manpages would tell me a thing
[21:31] <ogra> psuedream, do you mean the  first line like"total 84648" it prints or do you mean the first column of the listing ?
[21:31] <psuedream> yes the first line
[21:31] <ogra> thats the total size in bytes
[21:31] <psuedream> ahh
[21:31] <ogra> (of the content of the directory you listed)
[21:32] <psuedream> thank you! makes sense....
[21:32] <ogra> np
[21:36] <mhensley78> hey everyone! hows it going?  i have a question maybe someone here would know.  I use ubuntu20.04 and since i rebooted after the last update when my screen blanks it does not power off now. it just goes black with a mouse cursor still visible.  it used to shut the monitor off. has anyone else had this issue?
[21:36] <tomreyn> psuedream: if you're wondering how to find documentation on this: "man ls" states "Full documentation at: <http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/ls> or available locally via: info '(coreutils) ls invocation'".
[21:38] <psuedream> tomreyn thx important knowledge ^^
[21:38] <tomreyn> psuedream: if you run the     info '(coreutils) ls invocation'    command, go to the "What information is listed?" section and read up on the "-l" option you'll see the number is the total number of blocks allocated by the file system objects listed below.
[21:39] <tomreyn> psuedream: ...and blocks are 1024 bytes each.
[21:41] <tomreyn> this wasn't a precise summary, better read the original
[21:41] <psuedream> ah nice thx tomreyn ... -h would have made this clearer for me...
[21:43] <psuedream> ...this was more than enough information for my 'problem' haha thank you
[21:43] <tomreyn> :) you're welcome
[21:44] <psuedream> i love community support....
[21:45] <tomreyn> mhensley78: i won't know what causes it exactly, and why it started happening after a recent ubuntu update. but generaly, such issues tend to occur when you run old / early bios versions, do multi-boot with windows but haven't disabled it's 'fast start' "feature", or the mainboard firmware is generally buggy.
[21:46] <tomreyn> in the latter case, !acpi_osi can help, but focus on the other two options first.
[22:00] <sem> I tried to do iptables -F but I got kicked out of ssh
[22:00] <sem> guess I should learn my lesson and read what i'm doing
[22:03] <sem> iirc this will open port 80? iptables -A INPUT -p HTTP --dport 80 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT
[22:11] <alfpat> Is it safe to have epmd daemon showing on the firewall? If not, how to uninstall it?
[22:12] <leftyfb> alfpat: epdm? What "firewall"?
[22:12] <leftyfb> sorry, epmd
[22:12] <alfpat> on the GUFW firewall
[22:13] <leftyfb> alfpat: can you show us what you're referring to?
[22:13] <braewoods> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/man1/epmd.1.html
[22:13] <braewoods> this software; though what is using erlang? that's a pretty obscure language.
[22:13] <alfpat> https://erlang.org/doc/man/epmd.html
[22:14] <braewoods> alfpat: you can disable but it might cause issues for anything that uses it
[22:14] <alfpat> I don't know if it is a default ubuntu daemon
[22:14] <leftyfb> alfpat: it's not
[22:15] <leftyfb> alfpat: epmd is not part of any package installed by default
[22:15] <alfpat> braewoods so I don't know if i am using anything that needs it
[22:15] <leftyfb> alfpat: this is really dependent on your personal needs and what you have installed
[22:15] <braewoods> you can see what happens if you try to uninstall it
[22:16] <leftyfb> alfpat: sudo lsof -i :4369
[22:16] <braewoods> anything with a strong dependency on it will show up too
[22:17] <braewoods> erlang-base or so has it
[22:17] <alfpat> leftyfb using your code i see it is used by root and epmd, and say tcp Listening
[22:19] <alfpat> So to uninstall it, what would be the code? maybe sudo apt-get purge epmd?
[22:19] <leftyfb> alfpat: we can't tell you if it's safe to remove since you installed it either directly or as part of a dependency of some other package you installed. We can tell you a default installation of ubuntu does not have it installd
[22:20] <alfpat> ok leftyfb i guess i've got to search info about it
[22:22] <leftyfb> alfpat: I can tell you, the epmd.service file and /usr/bin/epmd is part of the erlang-base package
[22:23] <alfpat> I disable the service, now in my GUFW I see the same port but instead epmd it says systemd
[22:24] <leftyfb> alfpat: you need to stop the service as well. Disabling it only prevents it from starting at boot
[22:24] <alfpat> leftyfb I stopped it too
[22:25] <leftyfb> alfpat: sudo lsof -i :4369
[22:26] <alfpat> leftyfb Now it appears only one line, root, tcp and in name it says *:epmd Listen
[22:26] <leftyfb> alfpat: that means it's still running
[22:26] <alfpat> Sounds bad
[22:32] <sem> So this is definitely a problem with IBM's cloud server, but it's weird enough i can ask anyway
[22:32] <sem> any reason I'd start getting bash: command not found for less and man?
[22:33] <Thete> guessing you don’t have them in your $PATH
[22:35] <sem> more works though
[22:36] <sem> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games
[22:38] <Bashing-om> sem: ' ls -al /usr/bin/less ' shows the tool is present ?
[22:39] <sem> ls: cannot access '/usr/bin/less': No such file or directory
[22:39] <sem> :(
[22:39] <leftyfb> sem: then it's not installed
[22:39] <sem> it was installed earlier
[22:40] <leftyfb> sem: apt-cache policy less
[22:40] <sem> Installed: 487-0.1
[22:41] <sem> this is what happens when I try to apt install it https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PwfhgYxsX6/
[22:41] <sem> debconf: delaying package configuration, since apt-utils is not installed
[22:41] <leftyfb> sem: I would contact IBM for support here. I think this image is too highly customized for us to be troubleshooting what they've done to the image
[22:42] <sem> it seems like a bunch of the core utilities just poofed. I'll wait to see what they say
[23:10] <Cesos> I wonder how many will rejoin back using this new server.
[23:10] <catman370> i'm guessing manuy
[23:10] <catman370> many*
[23:12] <alfpat> I found something about the epmd service I talk about minutes ago. Looking at System Monitor, I see that the service text says: epmd owned by user epmd linux. And I don't have a epmd user. Maybe its a Malware?
[23:13] <alfpat> In this site (but talking about Windows) it says that sometimes use that exact name to camouflage it https://www.file.net/process/epmd.ex
[23:15] <leftyfb> alfpat: do you have erlang-base installed? apt-cache policy erlang-base
[23:16] <alfpat> leftyfb I think not, maybe apache server use it but as long as i read on the internet, no applications mentioning the use of epmd installed by me
[23:16] <leftyfb> alfpat: did you confirm if you have erlang-base installed? apt-cache policy erlang-base
[23:18] <alfpat> leftyfb that code you say only told me "1:22.2.7+dfsg-1", but without saying an app name
[23:19] <leftyfb> alfpat: alfpat did it say that after Installed: and Candidate: or just after Candidate?
[23:20] <alfpat> leftyfb intalled and also candidate, and at the end it says:     500 http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal/main amd64 Packages      100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[23:20] <leftyfb> alfpat: then that means the package is installed. Highly unlikely by malware
[23:21] <alfpat> Ok nice to know that, thanks leftyfb
[23:21] <leftyfb> alfpat: sudo zgrep -a erlang-base /var/log/dpkg.* | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:22] <alfpat> leftyfb what that last code do?
[23:22] <alfpat> leftyfb what that last code do?
[23:23] <leftyfb> alfpat: it'll look in your logs for when you installed the package. Posting it to termbin.com for us to examine if you paste the link it gave you here
[23:24] <alfpat> Ok added the code, I will tell you when terminal end the proccess
[23:25] <leftyfb> alfpat: it shouldn't take that long
[23:26] <alfpat> Looks like terminal done it
[23:26] <leftyfb> alfpat: if it finished without a result, then you have no log for it
[23:26] <alfpat> Exactly, no result
[23:28] <leftyfb> alfpat: what is this machine exactly? your desktop or a server? What services is it providing? Is it publicly accessible?
[23:28] <alfpat> Its my desktop
[23:31] <leftyfb> alfpat: did you try messing with ejabberd at all?
[23:32] <leftyfb> or elixir, manderlbot, rabbitmq-server, rebar, tsung, vim-vimerl, wings3d or yaws-*
[23:32] <leftyfb> those all depend on erlang-base
[23:33] <alfpat> leftyfb none of them, i have Vim, i suppose is not the same Vim and vim-vimerl
[23:34] <leftyfb> alfpat: sudo zgrep -a -E "elixir|manderlbot|rabbitmq-server|rebar|tsung|vim-vimerl|wings3d|yaws" /var/log/dpkg.* | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:37] <alfpat> leftyfb no results of them after use that code
[23:38] <leftyfb> alfpat: not sure what to tell you then. Maybe assume a compromise and reinstall from scratch
[23:39] <alfpat> leftyfb maybe is a good idea, I used Clamav and did not detect nothing, maybe I can try an Eset trial and if nothing is seen, reinstall from scratch can be the better idea
[23:39] <leftyfb> alfpat: clamav is useless and won't even find anything
[23:39] <leftyfb> alfpat: none of those will find anything
[23:40] <oerheks> what guide did you follow for ejabber epmd ?
[23:40] <alfpat> leftyfb really? bad news that the AV are useless
[23:43] <winlundn> haha I just tried using clamtk and it doesn't save changes
[23:43] <sem> $ ls -al /usr/bin/less
[23:43] <sem> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 May 30 22:39 /usr/bin/less -> /bin/less
[23:44] <sem> I didn't change anything and it fixed itself
[23:44] <sem> still can't use man though...
[23:45] <leftyfb> sem: contact IBM for support with their custom images
[23:45] <sem> i did, just waiting on them. I'll stop updating here
[23:45] <sem> byobu does give pretty colors for ls -al /bin though


[10:06] <rmg51> Morning
[13:30] <lazyPower> o/
[14:33] <lazyPower> quiet room this morning. Not even a turkey sighting
[15:27] <rmg51> and no teddy bear ;-)
[15:37] <lazyPower> i know right


[15:09] <jurisz> hi! I am going to create presentation in English. is this correct title for presentation? "Mobile phone development and future prospects" or it "Mobile phones development and future prospects". phone or phones? thanks!


[09:27] <yan__> Hi everyone, I have written before about QT apps, don't know if anyone read my message. So once again: reason of ugly looking qt apps has been found (xfce bug 12012). Mint 17.2 ships with fixed xfce4-session, no problems at all. You may build new one or grab Mint's
[09:28] <yan__> bot is wrong, xfce bugzilla
[09:29] <yan__> Workaround with trolltech doesn't fix icons, so that's why I am writing
[10:14] <xgr> hello! just installed xubuntu and i'm having a small problem (maybe not xubuntu related, tho..)
[10:15] <xgr> i cant see anything (blank screen!) during bootup
[10:15] <xgr> after the initial bios screen, the first thing i see is the mouse cursor just before the desktop loads (not even the grub menu..)
[10:15] <xgr> my gut says that there is something wrong with the resolution/screen settings used during boot... how can i adjust these??
[10:23] <flocculant> you won't see grub if you only have one OS, what graphics card? did you install proprietary driver for graphics? does machine boot quickly?
[10:24] <xgr> hm.. ok fair point, i just thought i'd see a grub menu of sorts
[10:24] <xgr> i just installed on a hp pavillion
[10:24] <xgr> (no other os)
[10:25] <xgr> i think it has some nvidia chipset, i havent installed any drivers (at least, willingly)
[10:26] <xgr> i think that after the bios screen, it takes maybe 15-20 seconds to get to working desktop
[10:26] <xgr> but i think thats normal
[10:26] <xgr> lemme try and install some graphics drivers and I'll get back to you..
[10:33] <flocculant> ok
[15:03] <pj__> When I try to view the contents of a flashdrive in xubuntu through the file manager I get the error "Error mounting /dev/sdb1 at /media/pj/PJ: Command-line `mount -t "exfat" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000,iocharset=utf8,namecase=0,errors=remount-ro,umask=0077" "/dev/sdb1" "/media/pj/PJ"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: unknown filesystem type 'exfat' " Any idea how to fix this
[18:46] <mrkramps> i am currently a bit irritated …
[18:46] <mrkramps> using the xfce 4.12 ppa with 14.04 i wanted to manually install mousepad 0.3.0 because the menu bar should look a bit different
[18:46] <mrkramps> but actually the menu bar is the same in 0.3.0 from trusty repo
[18:48] <mrkramps> oh hell, this was because i had an instance of version 0.4.0 still running
[21:29] <cosmo> anyone run xubuntu in a VM and have trouble getting the screen to resize with the host monitor?
[21:30] <cosmo> tried updating guest additions but it says i have broken packages.. which is apparently a wm issue? google only tells me about Unity when searching
[21:30] <cosmo> i'm a lazy linux newb and probably will be forever
[21:33] <cosmo> but it sure beats windows


[06:36]  * Paulw2U does quick count of summaries - 10 done - 11 to do
[11:33]  * PaulW2U thinks we now have an anonymous orangutan writing summaries - great :)
[11:36] <pleia2> alas, I think that's me on the wrong goog account
[11:36] <PaulW2U> :)
[11:38] <pleia2> #ubuntu-community-team hasn't been helpful so far re: chef+ubuntu
[11:40] <PaulW2U> There's http://www.zdnet.com/article/chef-and-hp-work-to-bring-devops-to-the-enterprise/ dated 3 December so...an ok article?
[11:47] <pleia2> yeah, the premise of the article makes sense, I'm just gullible and hate April 1st :)
[11:48] <PaulW2U> I know, I got suspicious when I saw the words chef and calories
[16:33]  * PaulW2U recounts summaries - 6 to do including pleia2's dodgy one :)


 I was suppose to start later to day, but I ran out of things to do :P
[11:37] <gatox> mandel, no...... didn't see that!
[12:02] <gatox> mandel,  are you already started your working day?? or are you going to start late today?? (i wanted to asj you for a review.... but i can wait)
[12:03] <gatox> s/are/have
[12:03] <mandel> gatox, sure, I started a few hours ago when I ran out of errands hehe
[12:03] <gatox> mandel, ok, this one please: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/transfers/+merge/119932
[12:03] <mandel> gatox, I've been done 'work work' for a few hours already :P
[12:04] <mandel> gatox, although, I'm in a virtual sprint with mmcc so when he is here no reviews
[12:04] <mandel> gatox, why not using u'' in the strings?
[12:05] <gatox> mandel, this string?
[12:05] <gatox> RECENTTRANSFERS = 'recent-transfers'
[12:05] <gatox> 10	+UPLOADING = 'uploading'
[12:07] <mandel> yes, those
[12:07] <mandel> gatox, ^
[12:07] <gatox> mandel, they are dictionary keys.... so i don't see the need to use unicode
[12:08] <mandel> gatox, ok, but remeber they will be unicode as soon as we move to py3
[12:08] <mandel> gatox, that is the only reason I'm asking :)
[12:08] <gatox> mandel, yes, but.... if we use those constants is going to be the same
[12:08] <gatox> everything is going to be converted
[12:09] <gatox> and we avoid the u'' now, that is doesn't fit into py3
[12:10] <mandel> gatox, sure, I was concerned that you wanted bytes and not unicode
[12:31]  * mandel lunch
[12:57] <dobey> ugh, not feeling so great today :(
[13:01] <ralsina_> good morning!
[13:01] <gatox> ralsina_, dobey hi
[13:09] <dobey> hi gatox
[13:13] <ralsina> gatox: one of your branches failed a test
[13:14] <gatox> ralsina, yes, already fix it
[13:14]  * mandel back
[13:14] <ralsina> ok, slow mail :-)
[13:14] <gatox> oh.... it fail again
[13:14] <mandel> ralsina, 1-1?
[13:14] <alecu> hello all!
[13:14] <mandel> gatox, having fun with tarmac ;)
[13:14] <gatox> alecu, hi
[13:14] <ralsina> mandel: sorry, have to talk with alecu and then I have another call
[13:14] <ralsina> mandel: so, maybe in 45'?
[13:14] <mandel> ralsina, so, np
[13:15] <ralsina> alecu: mumble?
[13:15] <gatox> mandel, ralsina i'll need to review some of the tests.... the problem is that i can't run u1-client tests locally
[13:15] <mandel> ralsina, I meant to say sure :)
[13:15] <ralsina> mandel: understood :-)
[13:15] <mandel> gatox, how come?
[13:15] <gatox> mandel, some problem that thursday..... a lot of asserts are failing
[13:15] <mandel> gatox, ugh
[13:16] <mandel> gatox, let me try and fix something with jenkins and I'll take a look
[13:16] <gatox> ah..... i'll run them on windows...
[13:17] <ralsina> gatox: was it asserting user_home to be str?
[13:17] <ralsina> gatox: because dobey fixed that one
[13:17] <alecu> ralsina: sure
[13:18] <gatox> ralsina, mmmm and i need to do something in particular?? i did a dist-upgrade today and it keeps failing here
[13:18] <gatox> ralsina, or i need to update u1-client branch?
[13:18] <dobey> gatox: you don't have u1-client trunk then
[13:18] <ralsina> gatox: merge trunk
[13:18] <gatox> ahhhhh ok... i'll merge that
[13:32] <dobey> so everything done for FF releases? :P
[13:32] <gatox> dobey, not yet
[14:10] <mandel> mmcc, morning! I ran the tests in the jenkins slave, and although they were slow things were ok
[14:11] <mandel> mmcc, and I'm nearly done with the jenkins setup (I started a few hours ago when I ran of things to do in the morning :P )
[14:11] <gatox> mandel, this branch has been updated: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/transfers/+merge/119932
[14:12] <gatox> ralsina, when you have a moment please: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/shares/+merge/120394
[14:13] <mmcc> hi mandel, so how slow were they? did they show GUI exception dialogs?
[14:13] <mandel> mmcc, the machine is veeeeeeery slow so I left it over night and did not see any exception dialogs when I got back
[14:13] <mmcc> hmm.
[14:14] <mmcc> well, I gave up on a clean solution on friday - the hacky fix I wrote in my email works for now
[14:15] <mmcc> the dialogs pop up and go away very fast, so you wouldn't have seen them after the run
[14:17] <mandel> mmcc, ok, I'm nearly done with the jenkins setup so that we at least have sso running on it so that we stop other team members from screwing us up, we can focus on landing the small fixes I have for the daemon and then I'#ll look at the fsevents bug
[14:17] <mandel> mmcc, we also need to look at how to integrate the root daemon in the bundle, right?
[14:18] <mmcc> right. I started looking at code signing a python app a bit on friday, I'll keep doing that now
[14:19] <mmcc> mandel - let me know when you're done with the jenkins setup
[14:20] <mandel> mmcc, superb, if I get the slave connected I'll just have to set it as a daemon process for the vm and will be done
[15:00] <gatox> me
[15:00] <gatox> ralsina, mmcc mandel dobey briancurtin thisfred standup?
[15:00] <briancurtin> typing now
[15:00] <thisfred> mr
[15:00] <thisfred> me
[15:01] <ralsina> I'm otp go on without me
[15:01] <briancurtin> me
[15:01] <mandel> me
[15:01] <dobey> meh
[15:01] <mmcc> me
[15:02] <gatox> DONE:
[15:02] <gatox> Last branch of the sync menu about New Shares proposed. Working on Share links tab for control panel.
[15:02] <gatox> TODO:
[15:02] <gatox> Finish with share links tab ui and some functionality.
[15:02] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[15:02] <gatox> No
[15:02] <gatox> thisfred, go
[15:02] <thisfred> DONE: documentation2 through 4, started on lp:gouda over the weekend TODO: documentation5 and up BLOCKED: no NEXT: briancurtin
[15:02] <briancurtin> DONE: removed mocker, updated and broke the VM and fiddled with it most of the afternoon
[15:02] <briancurtin> TODO: keep running, piecing together what's needed, removing what's not
[15:02] <briancurtin> NEXT: mandel
[15:03] <mandel> DONE: Lion VM has been setup to be able to run all the projects tests. Jenkins is setup and but connecting to the master node is timing out, no idea why. Reviews.
[15:03] <mandel> TODO: Finish the jenkins work if possible and add projects for the python projects, the daemon is a diff story (need an xcode plugin). Look at fsevents bug.
[15:03] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[15:03] <mandel> dobey, please
[15:03] <mandel> oh, and 1-1 with ralsina
[15:03] <dobey> DONE: reviews, discuss icons,
[15:03] <dobey> TODO: releases, FF rush, icon generating magic
[15:03] <dobey> BLCK: None.
[15:03] <dobey> mmcc: go
[15:03] <mmcc> DONE: built a Qt with no x11 dependency, fought control-panel tests
[15:03] <mmcc> TODO: sprint w/mandel to integrate fsevents daemon, code signing.
[15:03] <mmcc> BLCK: no
[15:04] <gatox> eod?
[15:04] <gatox> comments?
[15:04] <thisfred> little early
[15:04] <thisfred> but sure :)
[15:05] <mmcc> mandel, what do you need an Xcode plugin for with jenkins?
[15:05] <gatox> eom :P
[15:05] <gatox> thisfred, jjeje
[15:05] <gatox> briancurtin, do you have time for a review?
[15:05] <briancurtin> gatox: sure, send it
[15:05] <mandel> mmcc, to run the daemon tests and get them as a subunit format so that it can be parsed by jenkins and show the test results
[15:05] <gatox> briancurtin, https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/shares/+merge/120394 thx!
[15:06] <mandel> mmcc, it exists but I don't want to waste time on that right now
[15:06] <mandel> mmcc, got reviews related to mac for me?
[15:06] <mmcc> mandel: ah, ok - not just to run them, but to post process the output…
[15:07] <mandel> mmcc, yes, to make the things useful we could say, it could only run them and say ok or not, but you would not get the nice results we get on the windows version
[15:07] <mmcc> mandel, yes: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-windows-installer/fix-1037313-add-revnos/+merge/119799 https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-1037395-run-mac-tests/+merge/119830 https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-client/fix-1037432-run-mac-tests/+merge/119842  https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-control-panel/fix-1037904-run-tests/+merge/120057
[15:07] <mmcc> not sure if you've already looked at any of those…
[15:08] <mmcc> no you haven't
[15:08] <ralsina> mandel: 1-1?
[15:08] <ralsina> mmcc: at least the 1st one you could merge with 1 review
[15:08] <mandel> ralsina, sure, mumble?
[15:08] <ralsina> mandel: yes
[15:10] <mmcc> ralsina: ok, thanks. the other three are also trivial but I'd like someone else on a mac to try the CP test changes. (this is just the buildout change, not related to the issue I was fighting friday.) (talking about this branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-control-panel/fix-1037904-run-tests/+merge/120057 )
[15:20]  * gatox lunch!
[15:27] <mandel> mmcc, did you create a bug regarding the fsevents error?
[15:27] <mmcc> mandel: what error? the test running problem? no
[15:28] <mandel> mmcc, the one with the lack of upload in a create file
[15:28] <mandel> mmcc, which you wrote a quick 2 liner hack to fix
[15:28] <mmcc> oh that one. yes, hold on
[15:29] <mmcc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/1034127
[15:29] <mmcc> ubot5: put your glasses on
[15:29] <mmcc> :D
[15:30] <mandel> I have the impression we are getting close to a deadline, jenkins fails, ubot5 is stupid.. timeouts, failing tests..
[15:32] <mandel> mmcc, can you do me a favour, in the bug report you say the following: 'folder will be uploaded and become visible in web interface' did you use a file or a folder for the test?
[15:32] <ralsina> mandel: you still have not been bitten by a rabid dingo...
[15:33] <mmcc> mandel: I tried both. either should show the bug.
[15:33] <mandel> mmcc, can you add a comment and let me know what happens if you do it with a file and when you do it with a folder?
[15:33] <mandel> mmcc, and if you can the app, can I haz an already build version? /me is lazy
[15:33]  * dobey hopes it stops raining soon, and dries up
[15:34] <mmcc> mandel: sure, I'll need to rebuild it without the hack, just a minute :)
[15:35] <mandel> mmcc, awesomeness on irc o/
[15:36] <mmcc> :)
[15:39] <briancurtin> gatox_lunch: for that review, the TODO comments are being addressed in another branch, right? just want to make sure it wasnt something you forgot for this one
[15:39] <briancurtin> er, comment, since there's just one
[15:41] <dobey> ok, need to get lunch. bbiab
[15:51] <mandel> mmcc, I'll be testing that bundle to see if I can reproduce it
[15:53] <mmcc> mandel: ok - I'm sending you another build now to make it easier to debug…
[15:57] <mandel> mmcc, superb, I want to see what happens to write the tests correctly
[15:59] <mmcc> yeah, this debug build should help, can add prints and just re-run -- just edit the code in UbuntuOne.app/Contents/Resources/lib/python2.7/ubuntuone/
[15:59] <mmcc> 44% uploaded
[16:00] <mandel> great
[16:00] <mandel> ralsina, mmcc, so the jenkins slave for mac os x times out when it tries to connect to the master, sidnei if filling an RT to see what is going one since we have done all what is possible from the master side
[16:01] <mandel> maybe the block or connection outside some way or we have to specify a port.. they should know
[16:01] <mandel> mmcc, let me know when the upload is done
[16:05] <mmcc> mandel: ok, it's up now
[16:07] <mandel> mmcc, thx
[16:10] <mandel> mmcc, bummer, just got a nice message telling me it won't open because is from an unknown developer, do you know a work around?
[16:11] <mmcc> oh right, 10.8 - I know there is a workaround, don't know it off the top of my head
[16:12] <mmcc> right click it , and choose open
[16:12] <mmcc> then the warning dialog will have an 'open anyway' button or something like that
[16:12] <mandel> mmcc, my brain just exploded... wthf (holly)
[16:13] <mmcc> for permanent fix: see http://osxdaily.com/2012/07/27/app-cant-be-opened-because-it-is-from-an-unidentified-developer/
[16:13] <mmcc> mandel: why the explode?
[16:14] <mandel> mmcc, so, double click does not work, right click open does, it does not make sense at all..
[16:14] <mandel> mmcc, it looks like there are issues with the rest api, right? my username does not appear at all
[16:14] <mmcc> oh, heh. I guess they figured that if you're right clicking it, you really mean it :) just make it hard for people to accidentally run untrusted code …
[16:15] <mandel> mmcc, yes, might be yet weird
[16:15] <mmcc> mandel: it works for me…
[16:15] <mmcc> can you run it from the console as 'U1_DEBUG=1 UbuntuOne.app/Contents/MacOS/ubuntuone-control-panel-qt" ?
[16:15] <mandel> mmcc, I get all the info but the Hi Manuel! or whatever string goes on the top left label
[16:16] <mandel> mmcc, sure
[16:16] <mmcc> that's weird
[16:18] <mandel> mmcc, worked now O_o
[16:18] <mmcc> hrm.
[16:19] <mmcc> logging is also sent to ~/Library/Caches/ubuntuone/log/ , if you're curious
[16:19] <mandel> mmcc, will take a look, but after I fix the creation thing
[16:20] <mmcc> mandel: sure
[16:22] <mandel> mmcc, good news are, with the root daemon running and you bundle it works perfectly :)
[16:23] <mmcc> mandel: that's with manually starting the daemon and passing the socket name to syncdaemon somehow? remind me how that works…
[16:24] <mandel> mmcc, let me find the code that does that, one min
[16:25] <mandel> mmcc, it will pick the default monitor defined at ubuntuone/platform/filesystem_notifications/monitor/__init__.py
[16:26] <mandel> mmcc, and by looking at the code, it should not be using the daemon, I'm going to kill everything and try again
[16:40] <mandel> mmcc, ha, annoying, in order to test the app and see the behaviour you  had we have to use a mkdir, if you use the finder is a mkdir 'untitled folder' + a move which does work
[16:41] <mmcc> mandel: not sure I understand - I was seeing the same problem with just doing "echo blah > ~/Ubuntu\ One/test.txt"
[16:42] <mmcc> oh, you're talking about writing tests - but I guess I still don't understand why you have to make a directory…
[16:43] <mandel> mmcc, is me thinking out loud.. I used the finder to make a new folder and that is the reason why it worked, is not the same events
[16:45] <ralsina> LUNCH
[16:48] <mmcc> mandel: ah, ok.
[16:49] <mandel> briancurtin, ping
[16:50] <briancurtin> mandel: what's up
[16:50] <mandel> briancurtin, do you have a copy of the latests u1 client running on windows? can you do a small test for me?
[16:50] <briancurtin> mandel: sure, what do you need?
[16:51] <mandel> briancurtin, can you create a 0 byte file on windows and see if it uploads, it should not
[16:51] <briancurtin> mandel: is there a branch for this or should i just do it manually on trunk?
[16:52] <mandel> briancurtin, manual test, no need for more :)
[16:52] <briancurtin> mandel: i'll set it up and try in a min
[16:52] <mandel> briancurtin, thx
[16:52] <mandel> mmcc, I think that the same bug is on windows but it only affects 0 byte files :P
[16:53] <mmcc> mandel: yeah, that could make sense, a create with no open/close because there's no data
[16:54] <mmcc> so it only affects 0 byte files on windows but on macs it happens for all files?
[16:55] <mandel> mmcc, yes, and I think rye had a bug about that long time ago which I ignored
[16:55] <mmcc> mandel: ah, interesting. btw, this script http://paste.ubuntu.com/1157492/ was useful to see what raw events the macfsevents python lib was sending without spinning up all of u1
[16:56] <mandel> mmcc, great!
[17:28] <mandel> alecu, mmcc, ralsina fancy a mumble?
[17:29] <alecu> mandel: I have 15 minutes before lunch, let's do it
[17:29] <mmcc> mandel, I'm available
[17:30] <alecu> mandel: ralsina seems to be lunching right now
[17:30] <mandel> alecu, mmcc lets do it now, we can tell him later :)
[17:46] <briancurtin> mandel: 0 size files do get synched
[17:46] <mandel> briancurtin, great!
[17:50]  * briancurtin sandwich time
[18:00] <dobey> hrmm, i really need to get my squid proxy working
[18:01] <dobey> and my RAID
[18:04] <dobey> mandel, ralsina: care to review https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-control-panel/fix-1037904-run-tests/+merge/120057 ?
[18:06] <dobey> and https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/dirspec/update-4-0/+merge/120443
[18:07] <ralsina> dobey: sure
[18:12] <ralsina> dobey: global +1 on both
[18:13] <ralsina> mandel: mumble about what?
[18:13] <mandel> ralsina, done, but I can update you in a sec if you want
[18:14] <ralsina> mandel: sure, I guess :-)
[18:14] <mandel> ralsina, ok, super quick mumble then :)
[18:15] <ralsina> mandel: starting it
[18:18] <gatox> ralsina, do you have a minute for a review?
[18:18] <ralsina> gatox: sure!
[18:19] <gatox> ralsina, 2 reviews actually if you can (the second one is just ui): https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/shares/+merge/120394
[18:19] <gatox> and i'm proposing the second one right now
[18:22] <ralsina> gatox: ok, looking
[18:25] <gatox> ralsina, and this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/tab-shares/+merge/120445
[18:25] <gatox> ralsina, now i'm going to start working in the real publish and share implementation..... that was just the ui as we talked
[18:28] <mandel> dobey, done
[18:29] <dobey> mandel: thanks
[18:35] <ralsina> gatox: your branch bounced
[18:35] <ralsina> gatox: oops, sorry, not you
[18:35] <ralsina> mmcc: your branch bounced ;-)
[18:35] <mmcc> ralsina: looking…
[18:37] <ralsina> gatox: your shares branch has a lot of lint
[18:37] <gatox> ralsina, really? :S i don't get anything here......
[18:38] <ralsina> gatox: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1157650/
[18:38] <gatox> ralsina, weird..... ok, i'll fix that
[18:39] <ralsina> gatox:ybe you are missing a push? ma
[18:39] <ralsina> ok, X, why did you move that "ma" to the end there?
[18:40] <mmcc> mandel, I did a test with python-macfsevents where I opened a file, wrote a bit, then waited a long time, wrote some more, and closed. on the write after the wait, I got an IN_MODIFY. - even though I got no IN_MODIFY for the first writes
[18:42] <mmcc> mandel: and in a separate test, an immediate open(),write(), flush() gives me an IN_CREATE followed by an IN_MODIFY
[18:42] <mmcc> I think in my first long test, the close() triggered a flush and caused the modify event
[18:44] <mandel> mmcc, interesting, I need to find a good test for diff volmen tests..
[18:46] <mmcc> yes. this is encouraging for things like a sqlite DB, though - since any changes are sure to be fsync'd, and should then trigger a modify event, we won't be writing inconsistent DBs
[18:48] <alecu> jgdx: hey, welcome to the team!
[18:50] <mandel> I'm off to have my gazpacho for dinner, I shall be back :)
[18:51] <mandel> jgdx, bienvenido!
[18:52] <alecu> mandel: I can't understand how people feel that cold puke is an acceptable dinner.
[18:53] <ralsina> alecu: "Palomitas de maíz como las hacía mi madre! Regurgitadas!" -- Skipper de los pingüinos de Madagascar
[18:53] <dobey> heh
[18:53] <mandel> alecu, well, you have not tried the right one then.. is like raw fish, not all raw fish is shusi and not all tomatoes soup is gazpacho
[18:54] <gatox> ralsina,  lint issues fixed here: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/shares/+merge/120394  ...... for this one, you need to include u1-client trunk in the PYTHONPATH:  211:  [E1101, SyncDaemonClient.sync_menu] Instance of 'SyncDaemonTool' has no 'sync_menu' member
[18:54] <ralsina> gatox: ack
[18:57] <mmcc> ok, my bouncing branch runs correctly on linux again. I missed an instance of s/$u1lint/u1lint, which was impossible to spot just looking at the diff
[18:57] <mmcc> ralsina: can I just re-approve it, or do we need 3 more reviews ;)
[18:58] <gatox> briancurtin, do you have a minute for a small review?? mostly a .ui file added
[18:58] <briancurtin> gatox: sure, send it
[18:58] <gatox> briancurtin, thanks! https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/tab-shares/+merge/120445
[18:58] <ralsina> mmcc: just re approve it ;=)
[19:04] <mmcc> hey neat, LP comments containing $words are stripped of those $words
[19:11] <jgdx> god kveld, mandel :)
[19:27] <ralsina> gatox: global +1 on shares/
[19:27] <gatox> ralsina, cool.... thx
[19:31] <briancurtin> argh wtf. how can ubuntu_sso/main/qt.py have invalid syntax at line 265 when there arent 265 lines in that file?
[19:31]  * mandel back from lunch
[19:32] <briancurtin> ah there we go
[19:38] <dobey> https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-dev-tools/update-4-0/+merge/120457
[19:38] <dobey> whee
[19:42] <ralsina> dobey: looking
[19:57] <gatox> ralsina, don't forget about this poor and lonely branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/tab-shares/+merge/120445 jeje
[20:13] <ralsina> gatox: loooking
[20:13] <gatox> ralsina, thx! :D
[20:15] <ralsina> gatox: line 8/9 of the diff look like an artifact of you playing with designer :-)
[20:15] <ralsina> gatox: also, will make u1cp start on the wrong tab by default, I think
[20:15] <gatox> ralsina, ohhhh... i hate when the designer change that just for pressing on an item
[20:15] <gatox> ralsina, changing....
[20:16] <ralsina> gatox: happens to me all the time :-)
[20:18] <gatox> ralsina, change pushed
[20:21] <mmcc> mandel, sleeping toddler interfered with my lunch timing - I had to wait until now, be back in a bit…
[20:21] <mandel> mmcc, ralsina, alecu, one of the example on how to break the events is copying a file from a smaba share to the watch file for example
[20:22] <ralsina> gatox: needs fixing: update the help for the switch-to option please
[20:22] <alecu> mandel: how so?
[20:22] <gatox> ralsina, checking
[20:22] <alecu> mandel: you only get one event in that case?
[20:22] <ralsina> gatox: wait, I may have ran the wrong copy of the script
[20:22] <mandel> alecu, I copied a large video and just got a single event
[20:22] <ralsina> cd ..
[20:22] <ralsina> darn
[20:22] <alecu> ralsina: stack empty!
[20:23] <ralsina> alecu: OMG IRC is a Lisp machine!!!! ;-)
[20:23] <alecu> mandel: allright. What about the root daemon? you get multiple events in that case?
[20:23] <mandel> alecu, one sec on the phone
[20:24] <ralsina> gatox: confirmed, that needs updating
[20:24] <alecu> mandel: so, in the case of files being copied, or video being recorded, we would very easily see the file size changing, if we set a timer to watch every 5 secs.
[20:25] <mandel> alecu, yes, it would work, I'm testing atm with downloading a file from the internet and stopping the network etc..
[20:25]  * mandel is jumping from one machine to the other
[20:25] <gatox> ralsina, mmmm i'm not sure what you mean.... can you point me to the code or something?
[20:25] <mandel> alecu, let me test with the root daemon
[20:25] <ralsina> gatox: sure
[20:26] <ralsina> gatox: ubuntuone/controlpanel/gui/qt/main/__init__.py look for switch-to
[20:26] <ralsina> gatox: you implemented the functionality in the switch_to function already
[20:27] <gatox> ralsina, ahhhhh i understand now
[20:27] <ralsina> gatox: I suspect you also have to patch the manpage
[20:28] <ralsina> gatox: luckily you can do it without learning *roff first :-)
[20:28] <mandel> alecu, with the daemon there is no problem at all, I would even say we get too many events :)
[20:28]  * alecu pities the poor soul that needs to review this: https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/indicator-sync/initial-impl
[20:28] <alecu> gatox: ^
[20:28] <alecu> mandel: right :-)
[20:29] <gatox> alecu, ohhhhhhh my god!
[20:29] <mandel> alecu, get get content create file, stat changed, content modified, xattr removed etc..
[20:29] <gatox> ralsina, where is the manpage? :S
[20:29] <alecu> "The diff has been truncated for viewing"!
[20:29] <ralsina> gatox: docs/*.1
[20:29] <gatox> thx
[20:30] <ralsina> alecu: ffffuuuuuu
[20:30] <ralsina> +18495!!!!!!!!
[20:30] <mmcc> alecu, I looked at that diff - lots of generated code - makefile.in, stuff from .deps…
[20:31] <ralsina> alecu: I assume he already had reviews in a private repo and this is just the initial code dump
[20:31] <mmcc> seems like it could be smaller :)
[20:31] <ralsina> the GPL
[20:31] <alecu> right :-)
[20:31] <gatox> ralsina, done and pushed
[20:32] <ralsina> gatox: cool
[20:33] <mandel> ralsina, alecu plus does loevely huuuuuuge tab sizes :P
[20:36] <mandel> ralsina, alecu, mmcc, copy operations on fsevents client code will not rase an IN_MODIFY which I would expect to be a common thing to be done by our user base
[20:36] <mandel> Drag & Drop has the same problem
[20:36] <mmcc> mandel: yep, that's what I saw too.
[20:37] <mmcc> same with short-duration writes like "echo foo > test.txt"
[20:37] <mandel> mmcc, no comes the 'holly cow how do I write a test for this!'
[20:37] <alecu> mandel, mmcc: those operations *do not* send a "folder modified" event?
[20:37] <briancurtin> dobey: what's the status of devtools on python3?
[20:38] <mandel> alecu, they do, but the lib understands them as a IN_CREATE and not an IN_CREATE followed by an IN_MODIFY so if is large and we are slow we have the problem
[20:38] <mmcc> alecu, the macfsevents.py sends just an IN_CREATE for them. It gets a folder modified event from the framework and creates the IN_CREATE from it
[20:38] <alecu> then I don't understand the problem
[20:39] <dobey> briancurtin: not there yet; still a bunch of work to do for it
[20:39] <mandel> alecu, that if it is done over the network we get truncated files, that is why I did the samba test
[20:39] <alecu> mandel: and what do you mean by "we are slow"?
[20:39] <mandel> alecu, takes long, I get the IN_CREATE and I hash before the file is done
[20:39] <briancurtin> dobey: mind if i go ahead with it? or at least the parts in my way?
[20:40] <mandel> alecu, well, I meant, if the system is slow writing on the file
[20:40] <mmcc> alecu, the problem is that for a copy or a fast write you get a single IN_CREATE event from fsevents.py , and nothing else.
[20:40] <dobey> briancurtin: what's in your way right now?
[20:40] <mmcc> s/fast write/fast create,write,close/
[20:41] <alecu> mandel, mmcc: ok, as far as I can understand this, we *are* able to solve this with mandel's idea to delay sending the "modify" event
[20:41] <mandel> alecu, yes we are :)
[20:41] <alecu> aweso
[20:41] <alecu> me
[20:41] <gatox> eod here!! ralsina i'll close to the computer, so let me know if the branch needs any other fix and i'll do it today so we can land it
[20:41] <mandel> alecu, now the hard part is writing the tests for this hehe
[20:41]  * alecu was scared that we found a more huge hole.
[20:42] <briancurtin> dobey: global name 'unicode' is not defined (ubuntuone/devtools/runners/__init__.py line 215). easy to fix by itself. i guess i'll just fix what it takes to get me running and propose each bit if that's ok
[20:42] <ralsina> gatox: so far it's looking good
[20:42] <briancurtin> dobey: that one would just be fixed by a simple 2/3 check to use unicode or str. i currently have that check in utils.py for the time being
[20:43] <dobey> briancurtin: ah, yeah. please file bugs and feel free to fix them
[20:43] <briancurtin> dobey: will do
[20:46] <ralsina> dobey: I think we have all the branches we wanted in trunk of u1cp and u1-client
[20:46] <mandel> mmcc, so the root daemon is safe, I need to ensure that state changed and other little events are triggered as in modify to make it more reliable, I'll focus on that first so that in the worst case scenario by the end of the week we have a bundle with the root daemon in it, sounds good?
[20:47] <dobey> ralsina: cool
[20:48] <ralsina> dobey: also, elopio will do testing of it, should he do trunk?
[20:48] <ralsina> dobey: or should he wait until we have the stable-4 branch packaged?
[20:48] <ralsina> dobey: since it will pretty much be trunk anyway
[20:50] <mmcc> mandel, ok, just worth noting that that's assuming that code signing and launchd integration goes faster than fixing this issue with macfsevents.
[20:50] <dobey> ralsina: well i guess it won't be packaged until tomorrow; but then is fine
[20:50] <mandel> mmcc, yes, indeed.. how is that going?
[20:50] <dobey> ralsina: also, not sure if builders are back up, but just testing nightlies if they're built is fine as well
[20:51] <mmcc> I've got the ctypes translation of the jobbless calls set up now, will be testing it in Apple's sample app next.
[20:51] <ralsina> dobey: thought so, I'll tell him
[20:51] <mmcc> haven't started code signing the apps, that'll be fast to try and not sure how fast it'll be to debug if there are issues
[20:52] <mmcc> mandel: have to go feed a toddler and myself, back in a bit, for real this time
[20:52] <ralsina> mmcc: on windows we had to sign the python27 library along with the binaries. I know it's not the same thing in mac, but just a  heads up :-)
[20:53] <mandel> mmcc, np
[20:55] <mmcc> ralsina: yeah, similar issues. need to sign lots of parts
[20:56] <ralsina> mmcc: also, your qt is not signed, right
[21:29] <alecu> ralsina: I've been going thru a vala tutorial, and I like it.
[21:29] <alecu> ralsina: but I've been checking all the stuff we would need to implement in vala and it's not so easy as I thought
[21:29] <alecu> ralsina: we would need:
[21:29] <alecu>  * oauth
[21:30] <alecu>  * timestamp synchronization with server (for oauth)
[21:30] <alecu>  * getting u1 credentials from the keyring
[21:30] <alecu>  * parsing the json posibly returned by the webservice
[21:31] <alecu>  * getting proxy credentials from the keyring
[21:31] <ralsina> alecu: is there vala-dbus? (I assumed yes)
[21:31] <alecu> ralsina: roman says yes: http://rtg.in.ua/blog/2012/02/vala-and-dbus/
[21:31] <ralsina> alecu: also, the previous pages are getting lots of stuff from u1ms, so I am guessing they have the json parsing solved
[21:32] <mandel> ok, eod for me catch you all tom!
[21:32] <ralsina> alecu: ditto about the proxy (being the only page that supports proxy is useless ;-)
[21:32] <ralsina> bye mandel!
[21:32] <alecu> bye mandel!
[21:32] <ralsina> alecu: so, credentials, we can get via dbus
[21:32] <ralsina> alecu: timestamp sync is a nice-to-have
[21:32] <ralsina> alecu: the one that's left to consider is oauth
[21:33] <alecu> ralsina: yes, we can get credentials via dbus, but we have everything already implemented in python!
[21:34] <ralsina> alecu: the precondition for that page to appear is that the user has credentials already
[21:34] <alecu> ralsina: so, I think it still might be much easier to expose alll of this to dbus
[21:34] <alecu> ralsina: and who checks that the credentials are there?
[21:34] <ralsina> alecu: so, yes, we could just expose our stuff via dbus and hook from vala
[21:34] <ralsina> alecu: "we" should
[21:34] <ralsina> alecu: or at least provide a way to do it
[21:35] <alecu> ralsina: perfect then.
[21:50] <dobey> alright, have a good evening all. time to get off here
[22:13] <alecu> briancurtin: needsfixing here: https://code.launchpad.net/~brian.curtin/ubuntuone-dev-tools/py3-print-function/+merge/120472
[22:15] <briancurtin> alecu: you beat me to it, i was just re-running tests because i noticed that i pushed before fixing some other lint warnings
[22:16] <briancurtin> alecu: pushed a fixed version 1 second ago
[22:16] <alecu> great!
[23:19] <alecu> EOD!
[23:49] <mmcc> ok, have to split for a while. will be back later. I think we can fix this fsevents bug in the macfsevents code, without poking at our own code. I'll explain more in an email once I get back in a few hours so mandel sees it before he starts tomorrow…