[09:25] <kandoora_> i've downloaded some extra plugins for totem and now everything is so bright and eeeek
[09:26] <nicholaspaul> does anyone know of some fun (ie easy to learn!) network games? i want to play   multiplayer on my network...
[09:26] <Ugel> thoreauputic: It's just the auto-mount and write access that aren't supported (and should be).
[09:26] <thoreauputic> alekz:  if you install imagemagick , you can do for instance   import -window root screenshot.png
[09:26] <DejaVudew> thanks
[09:26] <DejaVudew> I'll give it a go
[09:27] <alekz> thanks th
[09:27] <alekz> thoreauputic :)
[09:27] <thoreauputic> Ugel: yes, I don't know why Ubuntu doesn't do this frankly
[09:27] <nicholaspaul> i'm really looking for multi-FPS  types
[09:28] <siimo> can someone type my name in here please
[09:28] <thoreauputic> alekz: but what's wrong with using the PrintScrn key or the gnome app for screenshots?
[09:28] <nicholaspaul> siimo
[09:28] <thoreauputic> siimo:
[09:29] <Ugel> thoreauputic: With time, hopefully. :)
[09:29] <alekz> thoreauputic, i cant take a screenshot with gnome menus opened :(
[09:29] <thoreauputic> Ugel: :)
[09:29] <nicholaspaul> hey there must be SOME gamers in here...
[09:29] <siimo> thanks
[09:29] <thoreauputic> alekz: ah I see
[09:30] <thoreauputic> alekz: well with the imagemagick thing you can also do for instance   " sleep 5s && import -window root screenshot.png " to give you a delay
[09:31] <alekz> nice thoreauputic let me try it! :)
[09:31] <Ugel> Oh, I have a Dell 2005FPW monitor and ATI Radeon 9800 Pro and when I use the ati drivers, I don't get OpenGL graphics acceleration. When I use fglrx drivers, whenever I turn off my screen or exit a fullscreen application (e.g., TuxRacer) I can't get the screen back. Anyone found a solution to this?
[09:31] <thoreauputic> alekz: the screenshot lands in your working directory, of course...
[09:31] <alekz> i think so :)
[09:31] <Ugel> I saw it in an Ubuntu forum so I know I'm not the only one.
[09:32] <Ugel> And I'm using the DVI output. Not sure if I should change anything with that option.
[09:32] <kandoora_> how do i make the default player anything other than totem
[09:33] <kandoora_> let's say when i click a file i want it always opened by mplayer
[09:33] <thoreauputic> kandoora_:  rigth click a movie/ music file, go to properties, define your preference
[09:34] <thoreauputic> note: in Properties, not "open with"
[09:34] <Severian> kandoora_, right click on the item in nautilus and choose open with.  Choose mplayer and nautilus will notice you used another app.
[09:34] <thoreauputic> Severian: not permanent - properties is where you set it
[09:35] <kandoora_> when i go to fullscreen in mplayer the screen goes full but the movie is still small
[09:35] <Severian> thoreauputic, OK.  It seems like nautilus rembers if I use another application a couple of times.  Maybe, I imagine that.
[09:35] <thoreauputic> Severian: interesting - maybe you arew right :)
[09:36] <thoreauputic> *are
[09:36] <zcat[1] > nah, go to properties, click the spanner, and rearrange the applications so mplayer is the first..
[09:36] <thoreauputic> Severian: I've always defined it in the properties, under the open with tab IIRC
[09:36] <thoreauputic> zcat[1] : right
[09:37] <Severian> thoreauputic, I am sure what you suggest would work.  So, that is probably the best thing to tell people to do.
[09:37] <thoreauputic> zcat[1] : although I don't see a spanner here...
[09:38] <zcat[1] > hmm, I use kde.. might be different?
[09:38] <thoreauputic> zcat[1] : ah yes - it would be different
[09:38] <raphink> yes zcat[1]  it is different
[09:38] <zcat[1] > somewhere in properties anyhow :)
[09:39] <kandoora_>  when i go to fullscreen in mplayer the screen goes full but the movie is still small. what do i do
[09:39] <NutterUK> Is there a program that will install stuff for you? I don't mean synaptic. When I download something I have to type stuff in Terminal. And on MS Win you just double click on a exe and the setup starts. Can you do that on linux?
[09:39] <zcat[1] > you need to change mplayer's video output plugin; some of them don't scale
[09:39] <thoreauputic> kandoora_: I seem to recall you need XV - also there's a "zoom" option in the config file
[09:39] <thomas> opengl scales
[09:39] <aftertaf> NutterUK> learn to "type stuff" in terminal, you will then harness the power of linux.
[09:40] <aftertaf> NutterUK> otherwise, there is no real point continuing to use linux if you want it to be lilke windows.
[09:40] <raphink> NutterUK: why not synaptic?
[09:40] <rob^> NutterUK, that is the power of Linux, not having to find and download .exes
[09:40] <thomas> he wants something like C'N'R
[09:40] <NutterUK> aftertaf Im new to linux and it seems a ball ache to install something
[09:40] <thoreauputic> NutterUK: think differently - you don't download stuff in Ubuntu, you use the package manager
[09:40] <zcat[1] > synaptic isn't like c'n'r ?
[09:40] <thomas> exactly
[09:41] <NutterUK> raphink it does not have everything on it
[09:41] <glyn> anyone know why it's taking such a long time to compile wine via CVS?
[09:41] <thoreauputic> NutterUK: it's extremely simple
[09:41] <thomas> but some rare programs must be built from source, or dpkg'd
[09:41] <glyn> WineCVS sh
[09:41] <raphink> what do you mean not everything NutterUK ?
[09:41] <glyn> it's also taking over 400 MBs
[09:41] <aftertaf> NutterUK> you download the .exe, then dblclick, then click like 20 times on next.... In synaptic or console (apt-get), you download and it installs.. if it needs to ask you something it wil, otherwise it just installs
[09:41] <thoreauputic> !tell NutterUK about repos
[09:41] <zcat[1] > Did you add the restricted and universe repos?
[09:41] <NutterUK> raphink like when i wanted skype it didnt have that on synaptic
[09:41] <odie5533> How do I  mount a Data DVD on Ubuntu?
[09:41] <NutterUK> thoreauputic ill look at that now - thanks
[09:41] <raphink> NutterUK: skype is not open source
[09:41] <raphink> so there's no option for you to get it simply
[09:42] <aftertaf> NutterUK> does windows have oneclick intall for 'everything'?
[09:42] <NutterUK> i know but it is available for linux and i wanted it
[09:42] <raphink> unless, as said by someone else, you get something like CNR
[09:42] <raphink> but then you'll have to pay for it
[09:42] <raphink> ;)
[09:42] <NutterUK> aftertaf yeah basically just keep clicking the next button
[09:42] <thoreauputic> !skype
[09:42] <zcat[1] > "pay for it" yeah.. that's the 'windows way' :)
[09:42] <ubotu> methinks skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:42] <odie5533> Is it possible to mount a data dvd on ubuntu?
[09:42] <thoreauputic> NutterUK: ^^^
[09:42] <raphink> skype is a big security hole
[09:42] <glyn> anyone know why it's taking such a long time to compile wine with WineCVS?  it's also taken up 400 MBs or so
[09:42] <thomas> yes, just insert the DVD, it should mount automatically
[09:42] <raphink> which is why it was forbidden in universities here
[09:42] <odie5533> It isnt
[09:42] <aftertaf> NutterUK> keep in there, and unlearn some things, to learn an alternative... linux doesnt try to be like windows, its 2 differents approaches entirely.
[09:43] <aftertaf> !linuxnotwindows
[09:43] <ubotu> from memory, linuxnotwindows is http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[09:43] <NutterUK> raphink i have cash on my skype so need it on linux
[09:43] <aftertaf> ^^^^^ NutterUK . check that link.
[09:43] <zcat[1] > anyone know something that will do sip other than xlite? I tried kphone and gnomephone but both seem buggy as hell..
[09:43] <NutterUK> aftertaf thanks
[09:43] <raphink> NutterUK: the thing is that
[09:43] <raphink> if you want to have something like CNR, you can pay for it
[09:43] <zcat[1] > (although it might just be me)
[09:44] <raphink> but on Ubuntu you won't get non-free programs easily
[09:44] <raphink> and taht's normal
[09:44] <odie5533> None of the dvds I burnt on linux can be read >_>
[09:44] <NutterUK> raphink ok thanks
[09:44] <thomas> hmm
[09:44] <thomas> what are you burning with?
[09:44] <odie5533> GnomeBaker
[09:44] <raphink> thomas: fire
[09:44] <NutterUK> another thing is my unbuntu wont play dvds! any ideas?
[09:44] <thomas> :P
[09:44] <thomas> try k3b
[09:44] <zcat[1] > odie5533: I would have expected you just insert them and they pop up on the desktop like CD's do?
[09:44] <raphink> NutterUK: same issue again
[09:44] <thoreauputic> !tell NutterUK about restricted
[09:44] <raphink> NutterUK: some dvd librairies are not free
[09:44] <thomas> you need libcssdvd2
[09:44] <raphink> you have to install them yourself
[09:45] <aftertaf> NutterUK> read the link ubotu will send you....
[09:45] <odie5533> thomas: its a data dvd
[09:45] <thespiritoftal> I tried to install ubuntu with "noapic nolapic" boot parameter.It again got stuck on hotplug after install :/ I only have an usb camera which I can't disable from bios :(( any ideas?
[09:45] <thoreauputic> *sigh*
[09:45] <NutterUK> aftertaf thanks will do
[09:45] <thomas> odie5533: try burning with k3b, is it good quality media?
[09:45] <BlueEagl1> *sighup*
[09:45] <aftertaf> NutterUK> and take your time to get to know linux... you'll end up shedding your windows habits dude no problem... ;)
[09:46] <odie5533> thomas: yes, fairly good quality
[09:46] <odie5533> thomas: none of my old dvds are being read either...
[09:46] <LasseL> I miss being able to right-click a folder and have the mp3s within played in winamp (or xmms)
[09:46] <NutterUK> aftertaf yeah prob will using both at the moment cause not sure about linux yet. My hardware wont work on it either
[09:46] <thoreauputic> !tell NutterUK about docs
[09:46] <thomas> NutterUK, its as simple as "sudo dpkg -i *.deb" or "./configure; make; sudo make install"
[09:46] <raphink> what hardware NutterUK ?
[09:46] <zcat[1] > LasseL: you can drag and drop the folder onto xmms though?
[09:46] <thomas> odie5533: Try mounting manually then
[09:46] <NutterUK> thomas thanks
[09:47] <odie5533> wont mount manually, says bad fs type or something else
[09:47] <BlueEagl1> lassel: gnome would easily let you make a script for that afaik.
[09:47] <NutterUK> raphink my printer, my fingerprint reader, my voip handset etc
[09:47] <raphink> what is your printer NutterUK ?
[09:47] <NutterUK> its a Lexmark x1150
[09:47] <LasseL> BlueEagl1, well, defaults matter :(
[09:47] <zcat[1] > voip handset?
[09:48] <BlueEagl1> lassel: only for the faint hearted. :)
[09:48] <NutterUK> zcat[1]  its a telephone for the PC
[09:48] <zcat[1] > Yeah.. get an ata adapter. Then you can make and answer voip calls even with the computer off..
[09:48] <LasseL> BlueEagl1, and those whoose time isn't free
[09:48] <raphink> NutterUK: google is your friend -> http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=lexmark+x1150+ubuntu&btnG=Rechercher&meta=
[09:48] <odie5533> thomas, what fs type is a dvd?
[09:48] <thomas> odie5533 UDF i *think*
[09:49] <raphink> NutterUK: in order to use Linux, you need to get used to googling your problems ;)
[09:49] <raphink> there are often lots of answers
[09:49] <hawking> did anyone see my question?
[09:49] <BlueEagl1> nutteruk: "Lexmark Inkjet printers are generally not Linux friendly because they do not provide Linux drivers above or below the Z600-800 series" from http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Lexmark_Printers
[09:49] <NutterUK> raphink thanks ill look if I can install it. Tried using google a few times but get all this linux jargon and dont have a clue what its going on about :)
[09:50] <hawking> :/
[09:50] <thomas> odie5533 your /etc/fstab should read something like "/dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0"
[09:50] <NutterUK> BlueEagl1 I know ive found it quite hard to install it
[09:51] <thomas> raphink: have you seen the new line of hp's?
[09:51] <thomas> full A4 photoquality in 14 seconds flat
[09:51] <raphink> what new line thomas ?
[09:51] <raphink> nice :)
[09:51] <raphink> I've gotten a PSC 1510
[09:51] <alekz> how can i install a .deb package ?
[09:51] <raphink> :)
[09:52] <raphink> alekz: sudo dpkg -i yourpackage.de b
[09:52] <raphink> without the space between .de and b ;)
[09:52] <thomas> raphink: 2 pages per second on b&w draft
[09:52] <odie5533> thomas: I have a device called /dev/hdd, /dev/cdrom1, and /dev/dvd which should be in fstab?
[09:52] <Severian> alekz,    dpkg -i package.deb
[09:52] <alekz> thanks raphink :)
[09:52] <thomas> /dev/dvd
[09:53] <thomas> how many people have people here "converted"
[09:53] <linkd> converted what?
[09:53] <thomas> people to ubuntu
[09:54] <linkd> oh
[09:54] <hansi_xp> converted?
[09:55] <hansi_xp> i had ubuntu, but i put on debian instead
[09:55] <odie5533> thomas: 0 :(
[09:55] <thomas> 3
[09:55] <linkd> 1
[09:55] <thomas> oh, does ANYBODY know how to enable DRI on an ATI rage 128 (xpert 99) agp 8mb?
[09:55] <raphink> thomas: I've installed ubuntu on about 5 friends' computers in the last 2months
[09:55] <raphink> people from windows
[09:55] <raphink> other friends installed them alone
[09:55] <raphink> ;)
[09:56] <NutterUK> thanks for you help everyone. just going to restart my comp and load linux
[09:56] <thomas> ati rage 128? anyone?
[09:56] <thomas> i searched EVERYWHERE on the forums, tried everything
[09:57] <thomas> nutteruk: no prob
[09:59] <Severian> thomas, when you figure it out, I hope you'll add a wiki page for it.  It sounds like the information you need is elusive.
[09:59] <thomas> it is, its impossible
[09:59] <thomas> the only thing was an old xfree86 warty hack, which no longer works
[10:00] <glyn> how do I give write permissions to a partition I just created?
[10:00] <thomas> if you want to mount at startup
[10:01] <thomas> umask=000 in the options in fstab
[10:02] <NutterUK> hello
[10:02] <ayngelman> hello
[10:02] <ayngelman> got to go now, just a quick look.  first time user of ubuntu.  very exciting
[10:03] <ayngelman> be back again for sure. :)
[10:03] <thomas> nutteruk: in linux now?
[10:03] <NutterUK> thomas: yes
[10:04] <NutterUK> whats the must have package for linux?
[10:04] <Severian> I know.  I know.   The kernel.
[10:05] <rixth> What is a command line program to get info about your hardware? (User readable- so not lspci)
[10:05] <BlueEagl1> nutteruk: About your printer the obvious recomendation based on the wiki is to email support at lexmark and ask them when they will release linux drivers for their hardware. If they aren't planning on releasing them sue them for not printing "Will not work in linux" on the box (only works in the US though).
[10:05] <thomas> xine
[10:05] <thomas> dmesg
[10:05] <thomas> rixth: dmesg
[10:05] <thomas> nutteruk: xine
[10:05] <NutterUK> thomas:  ill try and get it now
[10:06] <Severian> rixth,  lsusb is handy if you want to know about usb devices.
[10:06] <rixth> thomas, I said human readable :) There was a command on my old Debian box. It would out put like Cpu..... 2.16ghz, RAM....... 512mb etc etc
[10:06] <NutterUK> BlueEagl1: Im in England so cant sue everyone like the US lolk
[10:06] <rixth> Also output how many bogomips
[10:06] <NutterUK> BlueEagl1: would love 2 sue them thou
[10:06] <BlueEagl1> nutteruk: I should have read that out of your nick, shouldn't I? :p
[10:07] <NutterUK> lol :)
[10:07] <NutterUK> BlueEagl1: you in the US then?
[10:07] <BlueEagle> nutteruk: No, I'm in Norway.
[10:07] <NutterUK> BlueEagle:  cool
[10:07] <Arinux> hey i got intel centrino , so which architecture does it belong
[10:07] <BlueEagle> nutteruk: cold
[10:08] <Severian> rixth, how about  cat /proc/cpuinfo
[10:08] <NutterUK> BlueEagle: I bet it is, uk is just as cold
[10:08] <Severian> Arinux, 686
[10:08] <Arinux> i am compiling the kernel , so which processor type should i give
[10:08] <rixth> Severian, thats what I'm looking for! Now one that gets totaly RAM
[10:09] <BlueEagle> rixth: free -mt
[10:09] <rixth> thanks!
[10:09] <Severian> rixth, how about  cat /proc/meminfo
[10:09] <rixth> even better!
[10:11] <aeon17x> Is enabling DMA a good idea?
[10:11] <odie5533> how do I restore the terminal menu if I have disabled it?
[10:11] <Severian> aeon17x, if your hardware is reliable that way, then yes.
[10:12] <thomas> aeon17x: if its supported, definately, I/O from the drive will be ALOT better
[10:13] <thomas> odie5533: right click on the terminal i think
[10:13] <aeon17x> I guess I'll look into the product specs then.
[10:13] <thomas> aeon17x: how old is the drive? Only very old drives dont' support it
[10:14] <Severian> thomas, some older motherboards "supported" it, but were unreliable.
[10:15] <dooglus> aagantuk: it sounds like the vlc repo depends on stuff that neither it nor the standard repos provide
[10:15] <glyn> what's that program for managing packages?  debsomething?
[10:16] <dooglus> Arinux: for a 686 kernel you need to set CONFIG_M686=y
[10:16] <Severian> glyn,    dpkg
[10:16] <dooglus> odie5533: what do you mean by "terminal menu"?
[10:17] <odie5533> dooglus: the file menu. thomas's answer answered it though
[10:17] <NutterUK> thomas: how do i install plugins so I can play mpg files?
[10:18] <aeon17x> thomas: I just acquired it within the past six months.
[10:18] <dooglus> odie5533: oh i see.  i didn't realise you could hide the menu bar.  how do you get it back?  right-click where
[10:18] <SkoZombie> there is a bug in libdevil for amd64 users, its reported on the debian bug tracker, should i report it on the ubuntu bugzilla as well?
[10:18] <dooglus> ?
[10:19] <glyn> no what's the program that lets you look at your packages and it tells you about them?
[10:19] <odie5533> dooglus, right click just in the terminal
[10:19] <odie5533> then goto edit current profile
[10:19] <Severian> ubotu, tell NutterUK about RestrictedFormats
[10:19] <dooglus> odie5533: oh, never mind, i see it.  there's "show menubar" in the main context menu
[10:19] <NutterUK> Severian: thanks
[10:20] <Digis> !skype
[10:20] <ubotu> skype is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:20] <glyn> oh debfoster
[10:22] <glyn> how do I disable xdm and use gdm instead/
[10:22] <raphink> dpkg-reconfigure xdm
[10:22] <raphink> I think it shoudll ask you which one you want to use
[10:23] <aero> moo
[10:23] <thomas> aeon17x: the drive should be fine then, check the ubuntu guide to enable DMA
[10:23] <aero> i am such an ubuntu convert - its pretty awsome :)
[10:24] <thomas> nutteruk: for video codecs, download this ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/packages/ubuntu/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20050412-0unofficialubuntu2_i386.deb then "sudo dpkg-i *.deb"
[10:24] <thomas> "sudo dpkg -i *.deb"
[10:24] <NutterUK> thomas:  thanks alot
[10:24] <Beleys> Yop
[10:25] <aero> hiho
[10:25] <dooglus> aero: what are your 3 favourite things about ubuntu?
[10:26] <aero> the fact that stuff works x3
[10:26] <raphink> dooglus: the three u
[10:26] <thomas> stable, fast, open source
[10:26] <aero> it breaks the cycle of install distro, get annoyed, format partition
[10:26] <aero> i first started linux with debian potato
[10:26] <aero> ages ago
[10:26] <raphink> ooo
[10:26] <aero> but sound and gfx was a nightmare
[10:26] <aero> suse, mandrake, knoppix, all suck :)
[10:27] <aero> a lot of it has to do with non-ubuntu specifics
[10:27] <thomas> when i install mandriva 2005, it came without a C compiler
[10:27] <aero> like a more developed kernel usb support etc
[10:27] <raphink> aero: knoppix is not to install
[10:27] <aero> i mean, my usb mouse scroll wheel works! :)
[10:27] <dooglus> thomas: when you install breezy it comes without a c compiler too...
[10:28] <raphink> yes thomas you have to install the C compiler on mandriva
[10:28] <thomas> but mandriva didn't have apt-get
[10:28] <aero> who needs compilers with apt-get :P (yes, i know you probably want it)
[10:28] <thomas> anyway, mandriva is not a good starting distro
[10:29] <wickedpuppy> thomas, mandriva is a very good distro ... for those who like it
[10:29] <thomas> not as good as ubuntu ;)
[10:29] <verden01> yeah but thats just an opinion
[10:30] <verden01> myself i like debian based distro's
[10:30] <wickedpuppy> thomas, mandriva uses rpm .. its redhat based
[10:30] <thomas> i know, i used it
[10:30] <daaku> what kernel should i use for AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (Venice)? amd64-generic or amd64-k8?
[10:30] <Severian> Mandriva, with the Penguin Liberation Front repository added is pretty nice.  It is not as good as Ubuntu, but I would not mind using it.
[10:30] <dooglus> thomas: mandriva has "urpmi" - it's the same as "apt-get install" pretty much, only shorter to type
[10:31] <thomas> as i said, not a good starting distro
[10:31] <verden01> hmm i have ubuntu amd64 installed now whats the command in a konsole to find out my kernel?
[10:31] <thomas> IMO
[10:32] <wickedpuppy> verden01, uname -r
[10:32] <daaku> verden01: uname -a
[10:32] <dooglus> thomas: i don't know.  it's not so very different from ubuntu really.  it's rpm based, not debian, but beginners wouldn't know what that means anyway
[10:32] <verden01> ahhh  thanx
[10:32] <aftertaf> dooglus> thomas i have used mdk 10.1 and i found it a loooot slower to update than deb based dsitros
[10:33] <thomas> oh, i've another question
[10:33] <verden01> daaku: this is my kernel  2.6.12-9-amd64-generic
[10:33] <dooglus> I used mandrake for a year or so.  v9, v10, 2005LE.  I stopped using it when I got banned from their IRC channel.
[10:33] <daaku> seems like amd64-k8 would be the right choice for athlon64, but dont wanna get the wrong kernel (kinda new to the x64 stuff)
[10:33] <aftertaf> thomas> not a good starting distro. i agree. too much hidden from user to help learn how it works. ubuntu isnt like this, it simplifies, but lets you use the full power of debian if you want/know how to.
[10:33] <daaku> verden01: cool, thanks
[10:33] <wickedpuppy> dooglus, thats a big LOL
[10:33] <verden01> i'm running an AMD64 3500+
[10:34] <dooglus> wickedpuppy: without IRC support a distro becomes a lot less useful
[10:34] <wickedpuppy> dooglus, man man :P
[10:34] <thomas> i've got a pc downstairs running ubuntu 5.10 with a HP deskjet 930c, and up here i've got kubuntu 5.10 (well, ubuntu with kde installed), how do i share the printer? The pcs are on the same network
[10:34] <dooglus> wickedpuppy: I'm still banned, last time I checked.  I mentioned a bug in there.    I proved it was so he banned me for showing him up in public  :)
[10:35] <wickedpuppy> dooglus, start the flamewar on mailing list ... irc is nothing when you can email to every dev they got
[10:35] <verden01> gee thats pretty small thinking just because he was proven wrong!!
[10:36] <wickedpuppy> how many ubuntu dev here ... not much ... on mailing list .. thats assured 100% attention ... including mark shuttleworth
[10:36] <daaku> thomas: you wanna have a look at cups. iirc, there's http based sharing which is sort of easy to setup and efficient.. try http://localhost:631 to admin cups
[10:37] <dooglus> verden01: well, he had bet me "a ton of money" that it wasn't a bug, too...  so I guess there was more than just his pride at stake
[10:37] <thomas> daaku: yeah, i've got some kind of menu
[10:37] <verden01> oh  lol
[10:38] <crimsun> wickedpuppy: a fair number idle here, but the dev channel is used more.
[10:38] <thomas> daaku: and i can see the printer downstairs from here
[10:38] <aero> quick question - how do i detatch a program from a terminal, to get back later using fg
[10:38] <daaku> thomas: so i guess you're already set :)
[10:38] <dooglus> aero: control-z
[10:39] <thomas> daaku: oh wait, thats just a printer i tried to get working, the pc downstiars is off
[10:39] <aero> ta
[10:39] <dooglus> aero: but if you don't know about "screen", get to know it.  it's amazing :)
[10:39] <aero> yeah screen is good :)
[10:39] <aero> especially with bitchx :)
[10:39] <dooglus> aero: once you know screen you don't need control-z any more...  just make a new screen and leave the other one running
[10:39] <dooglus> aero: irssi is the new bitchx :)
[10:40] <aero> pfft :)
[10:40] <aero> anyway, im installing mirc
[10:40] <aero> just need to get the link working
[10:40] <verden01> i have ubuntu installed and have added kde and kde games and i must say its a great distro
[10:41] <aeronic> hmm, mirc :)
[10:41] <aeronic> tis good :)
[10:41] <daaku> thomas: i havent used printer sharing in a while, but iirc, setup the printer on the downstairs machine with System->Administration->Printers, and then on the PC setup a new network printer using IPP and the downstairs pc ip and printer name
[10:41] <verden01> its been a while since i used ubuntu
[10:41] <NutterUK> www.badgerbadgerbadger.com rocks
[10:41] <fulsic> can someone help me with mplayer? for some reason, it's "broken" in the Synaptic Package Manager, and apt-get tells me that the installation has no candidate
[10:42] <thomas> whats the printer name?
[10:42] <thomas> i haven't set one downstairs
[10:42] <thomas> fulsic: sudo apt-get install mplayer-386
[10:42] <daaku> thomas: the printer name is what you set it to be
[10:42] <thomas> ok
[10:44] <davro> pats NutterUK on the head arrh what a happy nutter.
[10:44] <NutterUK> davro: thanks :)
[10:44] <daaku> thomas: http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/10.3.2/cups-59/doc/ipp.html#3_1 should be helpful
[10:44] <fulsic> thomas, ' Package mplayer-386 has no installation candidate' after running sudo apt-get update
[10:45] <thomas> thanks
[10:45] <verden01> fulsic do you have the universe repositories enabled ......   just a thought
[10:45] <aftertaf> fulsic> do you have universe & multiverse?
[10:45] <fulsic> verden01, aftertaf; both those repositories are enabled
[10:45] <verden01> well maybe do an update
[10:45] <aftertaf> fulsic> mmm. have ou run sudo apt-get update since?
[10:45] <fulsic> i'll go double check, but they were about 10 mins ago
[10:45] <aftertaf> lol verden01  :)
[10:45] <verden01> lol
[10:46] <fulsic> yes, i did an update prior to coming here
[10:46] <daaku> anyone using the cheap SATA raid built into some recent motherboards? wondering what the performance gains are like..
[10:46] <zim> anyone know when the ubuntu site will be fixed :(
[10:46] <aero> ok, heres a question - how do i edit a link  on the gnome desktop - as in, the location it is meant to run
[10:46] <aero> daaku, pretty good
[10:47] <aero> if you have identical drives, abou ta 35-40% increase
[10:47] <daaku> aero: nice. very nice. i do have identical drives
[10:47] <verden01> well in synaptic go to broken in the tab in the custom tab and see waht it says
[10:47] <daaku> aero: i was hoping the fake in fakeRAID on the wiki wasnt taking about the performance
[10:48] <daaku> zim: some parts are still working fine. the wiki for instance
[10:48] <sexcopter8000m> hi, can someone check me on my terminology please. is X a "windows server" and kde, gnome, xfce etc "windows managers"?
[10:48] <zim> i need to download kubuntu BB
[10:49] <daaku> zim: BB?
[10:49] <raphink> BB ...
[10:49] <aero> daaku, fake means not hardware
[10:49] <dooglus> aero: how did you run mirc?
[10:50] <aero> using wine
[10:50] <dooglus> ooh.
[10:50] <aero> from the terminal
[10:50] <aero> but, i want a desktop link
[10:50] <dooglus> I find that wine never works for me
[10:50] <aero> the one it gave me didnt work
[10:50] <dooglus> I use win4lin
[10:50] <aero> oh
[10:50] <daaku> aero: i know, just made me doubt the performance aspect of it :)
[10:51] <verden01> fulsic, in synaptic on the bottom left corner you have 4 tabs go to the tab that says "custom" and then up the top click on "broken" and see what it says
[10:51] <fulsic> verden01, nothing is in my 'Broken' menu
[10:51] <aero>  wine "c:\Program Files\mIRC\mirc.exe"
[10:51] <aero> how do i put that in a link?
[10:51] <Phil|VM> Hey Guys
[10:51] <verden01> hmmmmm...  how about in a terminal type sudo apt-get install -f ......  just a guess
[10:52] <fulsic> verden01, 0 updated, 0 new
[10:52] <verden01> hey   fulsic i'm not sure that is th eright command
[10:52] <fulsic> oh
[10:52] <daaku> aero: could just make a shell script and +x it
[10:52] <dooglus> aero: that works, really?
[10:53] <fulsic> verden01, i know there's sudo apt-get -f, which i used before, but that didn't seem to get mplayer downloadable either
[10:53] <Seveas> !mplayer
[10:53] <ubotu> hmm... mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto.  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[10:53] <aero> dooglus,  - sure it does
[10:53] <tucoz> sexcopter8000m, I think that X handles the basic functionality of a GUI like mouse, screen etc. KDE is a desktop environment with all that means. Kwin is the window manager for kde.
[10:53] <Phil|VM> you guys know where to get w32codecs
[10:54] <raphink> !w32codecs
[10:54] <ubotu> from memory, w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. To download the debs: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy).  For 64-bit read: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399
[10:54] <verden01> well i just went to d/l mplayer64 in synaptic and everything here is ok   yu omust have some dependency problem???
[10:54] <Phil|VM> i have no knowledge of ubuntu at all, i've just loaded up the live cd, i bought a system to use for linux, bit it isn't here yet :/
[10:54] <raphink> grml
[10:54] <sexcopter8000m> tucoz, thanks
[10:54] <raphink> ubotu: tell Phil|VM about w32codecs
[10:55] <fulsic> verden01, ok then, so how do i fix this dependency problem? i thought apt-get will download dependencies automatically
[10:55] <tucoz> sexcopter8000m, read more on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_window_system and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kde for instance
[10:56] <dooglus> aero: what does wine do about the registry?  does it have its own?
[10:56] <verden01> well i only know so much....  sorry    you could check to see if all the repositories are enabled again and hmmm...... hope someone else has an idea
[10:56] <aero> has its own
[10:56] <Phil|VM> raphink, thanks :)
[10:57] <daaku> verden01: you using a geforce by any chance? wondering what the 64bit support of the nvidia drivers is like
[10:57] <fulsic> verden01, thanks for your help
[10:57] <raphink> you're welcome Phil|VM
[10:57] <dooglus> aero: do you have to set anything up to get it working?
[10:57] <aero> just winecfg
[10:58] <aero> which seems to consist of not a lot
[10:58] <aero> its improved vastly since years ago
[10:58] <verden01> fulsic its been a while since i've used ubuntu so i'm a bit rusty with it
[10:58] <aeronic> right
[10:58] <Phil|VM> raphink, do you mind if i pm you for a minute
[10:58] <aeronic> got that link working
[10:58] <dooglus> aah, well I just downloaded mirc using IE in win4lin, then installed and ran it using win4lin
[10:58] <raphink> sure do Phil|VM
[10:59] <Phil|VM> oh ok
[10:59] <aeronic> ew? IE ?
[10:59] <dooglus> then I tried "wine mirc.exe" and it works - and what's more it remembered the settings I told it in win4lin
[10:59] <verden01> fulsic, what part of Aust you from ?  I'm from Adelaide
[10:59] <aeronic> i even use firefox on windows
[10:59] <lord_rob> Hi ! Is it possible to use ubuntu installer to install debian sid directly ?
[10:59] <Phil|VM> i'm From Coffs Harbor
[10:59] <verden01> hey i'm using firefox 1.5 on windows
[10:59] <bungle> Phil|VM,
[10:59] <bungle> I am from coffs harbour to
[10:59] <Phil|VM> serious
[10:59] <aeronic> and i'm using it on ubuntu :)
[11:00] <bungle> bello actually
[11:00] <Phil|VM> oh cool
[11:00] <bungle> lol
[11:00] <Phil|VM> you go to uni here ?
[11:00] <verden01> Coffs Harbour     great place
[11:00] <doogless> hmmm.  wine looks a bit messed up.  the _ O and X buttons in the top right all look like squares to me.  you too?
[11:00] <aeronic> indeed they do :)
[11:00] <raphink> Phil|VM: you need to be registered to PM here now
[11:00] <Phil|VM> ahh ok
[11:00] <dooglus> I typed "/quit" - it says here that the client quit, but the wine window didn't close.
[11:00] <bungle> lol
[11:00] <Phil|VM> authserv or nickserv ?
[11:00] <raphink> nickserv
[11:01] <bungle> nick
[11:01] <Arinux> horray i compiled the new kernel
[11:01] <aeronic> hmm, is it possible to have like a taskbar to minimise apps to
[11:01] <aeronic> dooglus, works here
[11:01] <bungle> nah dont go to chec
[11:01] <bungle> got some friends that do though
[11:01] <Arinux> the vanilla rocks
[11:01] <verden01> i used to use a distro called Libranet and they had a thing called Adminmenu and you could compile a kernel easily
[11:02] <aftertaf> Arinux> what you do thats special in your kernel?
[11:02] <dooglus> Arinux: how is the vanilla kernel any different?
[11:02] <ilidan> ???
[11:03] <Phil|VM> ah cool bungle
[11:03] <Phil|VM> so you work  ?
[11:03] <bungle> erm
[11:03] <bungle> 2 kids
[11:03] <Phil|VM> ahh cool
[11:03] <Phil|VM> i don't work either
[11:03] <bungle> lol
[11:04] <Phil|VM> ;)
[11:04] <Arinux> i played with some memory architecture
[11:04] <bungle> what you do normally
[11:04] <bungle> .. smoke drink be boring ?
[11:04] <Arinux> and 686 works awsome for my laptop
[11:04] <Arinux> plus write permission on ntfs
[11:04] <aftertaf> write perms? real ones?
[11:05] <aftertaf> Arinux> or those that let you write, but only if nothing is modified? ;)
[11:05] <dooglus> Arinux: there is an official 686 kernel for ubuntu.  and writing NTFS isn't safe still
[11:05] <aftertaf> i double agree with dooglus
[11:06] <dooglus> although the -ck kernel patches look interesting
[11:06] <dooglus> http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/
[11:07] <Arinux> well let me try on this
[11:07] <aftertaf> the ubuntu team use patches on the vanilla kernel for god reasons too, right? is there any real advantage to doing your own kpkg now?
[11:07] <verden01> raphink, how do i register?
[11:07] <aftertaf> *good
[11:07] <dooglus> Arinux: be careful with your NTFS writing.  you can seriously destroy NTFS partitions
[11:07] <Chousuke> aftertaf: if you really want your own kernel. :p
[11:07] <Arinux> okay roger hey i got one more problem
[11:07] <raphink> verden01: /msg nickserv register passwd email
[11:07] <raphink> I think
[11:07] <dooglus> Arinux:  don't try writing to a partition you would miss
[11:08] <Arinux> when i go to device manager my processor ettc ate still unknown
[11:08] <raphink> verden01: type /msg nickserv help register
[11:08] <dooglus> aftertaf: I made my own kernel this morning - win4lin needs some kernel patches in order to work
[11:08] <koen_> I've been unable to drag thing using my mousepad ever since I did an update a couple of weeks ago. What might be causing this?
[11:08] <koen_> s/thing/things
[11:09] <dooglus> aftertaf: but I took the ubuntu kernel source package and applied the win4lin patches to that.  luckily they applied cleanly
[11:09] <verden01> raphink, in here or in ubuntu servers?
[11:09] <app> I try to dpkg -i skype on my fresh breezy, but it complains about missing packages. Synaptic does not find skype. What to do?
[11:10] <thomas> oh, i've got two 30gb partitions, linux recognises them as fat32, but parition magic recognises them as ext2 and fat32, and windows calls them fat32 and "unknown partition"
[11:10] <Arinux> hey any body installed intel915 drivers?
[11:10] <verden01>  /msg nickserv help register
[11:11] <Phil|VM> is breezy64 difficult to maintain ?
[11:11] <thomas> app: download the rpm version of skype then alien it
[11:11] <dooglus> koen_: I suspect the touchpad driver is failing to load.  basic touchpad functionality works without the driver, but dragging doesn't
[11:11] <pepsi> whats the command to see info about my ram?
[11:11] <dooglus> app: try the 'static' skype package.  works for me.
[11:11] <pepsi> its a simple two-letter command i believe
[11:11] <Phil|VM> i bought a sempron64 and i'm wondering if it would be wise to run it on it instead of the i386
[11:12] <verden01> Phil|VM, i'm using breezy x64 and find it ok
[11:12] <dooglus> pepsi: "free"?
[11:12] <koen_> dooglus: pardon my ignorance, but how do I check whether it's loaded correcly?
[11:12] <pepsi> dooglus, that works :) thanks.. surely thats what i was thinking of
[11:12] <Phil|VM> verden01, what processor have you got
[11:12] <dooglus> koen_: check the logfile: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:13] <drakeoutlaw> pepsi: try free -m to see in megabytes
[11:13] <verden01> amd64 3500+
[11:13] <dooglus> koen_: I'm not exactly sure what bit of that you're looking at though...
[11:14] <Arinux> brb guys
[11:14] <Phil|VM> yeah, verden01 i've only got a sempron64 2600
[11:14] <Phil|VM> so i'm not sure how great it would run
[11:14] <Phil|VM> i've bought that and 2 17inch lcd monitors
[11:15] <aeronic> 'only'
[11:15] <pepsi> drakeoutlaw, thanks :)
[11:15] <app> Is it a policy at Ubuntu that software like Skype is not officially supported, not even in Multiverse?
[11:15] <bungle> :P i just bought a sempron 2600
[11:15] <aeronic> ive got a k7 1500mhz :P
[11:15] <bungle> stupid 300mhz gave me the **************8
[11:15] <Phil|VM> they're cheap as, its great
[11:15] <Phil|VM> dunno how the performance is
[11:15] <bungle> dont game so I dont care
[11:15] <dooglus> !skype
[11:15] <ubotu> somebody said skype was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:15] <Phil|VM> but they seem like a good bang for your buck processor
[11:15] <bungle> anything is better than the 300
[11:15] <verden01> Phil|VM, are they 64 bit now?
[11:15] <koen_> dooglus, the driver appears to be loaded though: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3976
[11:15] <Phil|VM> yeah :)
[11:16] <Phil|VM> socket 754 some are
[11:16] <Nihil85> hallo
[11:16] <Marlowe> pepsi: free + vmstat
[11:16] <Marlowe> pepsi: top even
[11:16] <app> !skype
[11:16] <ubotu> skype is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:16] <Nihil85> i need to view my ntfs HD. how can i do this? i cannot find fstab!
[11:16] <pepsi> top is too complicated :) free is nice and simple
[11:16] <verden01> PHIl cool
[11:16] <pepsi> i like vmstat too
[11:17] <MachineScrew> how can I set File mime types in GNOME
[11:17] <aeronic> Nihil85, theres a howto
[11:17] <nadjyla> Nihil85, on breezy, there is a new tools to do that quick
[11:17] <pepsi> Marlowe, i just forgot how much ram i had installed..  :)
[11:17] <dooglus> koen_: compare and contrast: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3977
[11:17] <verden01> mines a socket 939
[11:17] <aeronic> skype is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:17] <aeronic> <N
[11:17] <aeronic> doh, sorry
[11:17] <Nihil85> nadjyla, what's the name of this tool?
[11:17] <MachineScrew> i have a m4v extiontion that I always need to asoicate with Totem
[11:17] <aeronic> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs <- or use that
[11:18] <Nihil85> aeronic, i cannot find any howto
[11:18] <aeronic> see up
[11:18] <drakeoutlaw> Nihil85: sudo nautilus. so you can browse as superuser
[11:18] <nadjyla> Nihil85, i think : disks-admin
[11:18] <nadjyla> with su or sudo
[11:18] <dooglus> koen_: someone had this problem a few weeks ago.  he had an ALPS pad too...  we didn't get to the bottom of the problem either.
[11:18] <Marlowe> pepsi: then top should do nicely
[11:18] <nadjyla> and you can mount or umount your ntfs dik easely
[11:19] <daaku> anyone know how to get grub working with fakeRAID? i'm trying to get the root partion setup for grub (its 256mb), but it keeps saying selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS
[11:19] <koen_> dooglus: damn, that's a pity
[11:19] <Nihil85> drakeoutlaw, can I query you?
[11:19] <MachineScrew> how can I set File mime types in GNOME
[11:19] <koen_> dooglus: it's weird though since it has been working nicely for quite a while
[11:19] <pepsi> Marlowe, oh i see.. it says the total right there doesnt it :)\
[11:20] <dooglus> koen_: apparently there's a patch for ALPS pads...  I'll see if I can find it
[11:20] <Madpilot> can someone recommend a favourite music tag editor?
[11:20] <pepsi> ok heres another one.. how can i make an iso? :)
[11:20] <dooglus> koen_: a few days ago: 14:12 < hume> i'm trying to get my ALPS topuchpad working, trying to apply the apls patch from xorg-driver-synaptics - but get error msgs.  It says alsp.c alreay exists, and then Hunk #1 Failed, anyogot advice?
[11:20] <nadjyla> Madpilot, easytag is good
[11:20] <Ng> Madpilot: I use easytag or cantus. They have pretty complex interfaces though ;)
[11:21] <pepsi> !iso
[11:21] <ubotu> pepsi: No idea
[11:21] <pepsi> :(
[11:21] <MachineScrew> how can I set File mime types in GNOME
[11:22] <thomas> pepsi: use k3b
[11:22] <pepsi> just to make an iso file from a cd?
[11:22] <drakeoutlaw> pepsi: mkisofs command is the command line way
[11:22] <Ng> pepsi: if it's just a data cd/dvd you can use dd in a terminal ;)
[11:23] <Madpilot> pepsi: do you mean "how do I burn an ISO I've downloaded" or "how do I create a new ISO file?"
[11:23] <pepsi> i need to make a new iso file so i can use a cd in vmware without it being ridiculously slow :)
[11:23] <dooglus> koen_: this looks promising: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=78904
[11:23] <Ng> pepsi: you want to make an iso from a real cd? "dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/tmp/cd.iso"
[11:23] <Tokenizer> how would i bind the keyboard volume buttons to the system volume? right now, the volume buttons on the keyboard will make a little dialogue box open with some slider showing volume going up and down, but no volume changes... where can i go to set these keys actually bind to my sound card?
[11:23] <pepsi> Ng, oh :)
[11:24] <koen_> dooglus: wow, thanks, I'll go and try that
[11:24] <Marlowe> pepsi: from 'man mkisofs':  mkisofs  takes a snapshot of a given directory tree, and generates a binary image which will correspond to an ISO9660 or HFS filesystem when writ
[11:25] <Marlowe>        ten to a block device.
[11:25] <pepsi> yeah, but i just want to copy the cd byte for byte
[11:25] <pepsi> i think dd is what i want
[11:25] <Madpilot> Ng: you weren't kidding about easytag's interface... the Help file had better be good!
[11:25] <Marlowe> oh then dd is good
[11:25] <dooglus> koen_: it's a long thread.  maybe worth reading the whole thing first (not that I have)
[11:26] <koen_> dooglus: thanks a lot for your help :)
[11:26] <Arinux> hey all i am abck
[11:26] <drakeoutlaw> pepsi: read the cd writing howto in tldp.org cause there maybe a padding issue
[11:26] <Marlowe> pleased to meet you abck
[11:26] <Arinux> hey can anyone tell me how do i check whether 3d acceleration is enabled
[11:26] <pepsi> hrm
[11:26] <nadjyla> Arinux, runa game
[11:26] <thomas> glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
[11:27] <thomas> and tell us what FPS you get arinux
[11:27] <Arinux> i don't have a single game installed
[11:27] <nadjyla> get wolf et
[11:27] <thomas> arinux, in terminal run glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
[11:28] <pepsi> lol
[11:28] <pepsi> is that serious?
[11:28] <thomas> yes
[11:28] <Ng> yep
[11:28] <pepsi> heh
[11:28] <Ng> it's a bit dumb, but they make a good point ;)
[11:28] <nadjyla> lol
[11:29] <app> The wiki page mentioned in !skype does not exist... It is searchable but still gives 404!
[11:29] <sexcopter8000m> to install a .deb file, is it sudo dpkg -i thedeb.deb?
[11:29] <Arinux> Thomas:i get that screensaver in a small window
[11:29] <Ng> sexcopter8000m: yes
[11:29] <nadjyla> yes
[11:29] <MachineScrew> how can I set File mime types in GNOME
[11:29] <sexcopter8000m> kk
[11:29] <thomas> arinux: yeah, leave it run for ten seconds, then close the window and see whats printed in the terminal
[11:30] <Ng> MachineScrew: if you right click on the file you are interested in changing the handler for and go to the "Open With" tab you are effectively editing the behaviour for that mime type
[11:30] <Arinux> 765.784 fps
[11:30] <thomas> yup
[11:30] <thomas> arinux: 3d acelleration is enabled
[11:30] <pepsi> app, i installed skype a while ago.. they give you a .deb that you can download
[11:30] <pepsi> works fine
[11:30] <MachineScrew> Ng, it isn't reconised
[11:30] <thomas> arinux: do sudo apt-get install tuxracer, then run "ppracer" and see does it run smoothly
[11:31] <Arinux> thomas: i got an intel915 onboard , how do i see where its detected
[11:31] <MachineScrew> Ng, I have to specify what app to open with
[11:31] <thomas> arinux: try glxinfo
[11:31] <MachineScrew> Ng, the file type is m4v
[11:31] <thomas> glxinfo| direct
[11:31] <Boobek> hi
[11:31] <Ng> MachineScrew: you probably want to open that with Totem or maybe Xine/Mplayer if you prefer them
[11:32] <Arinux> glex info gives me a table of some sort
[11:32] <thomas> arinux: scroll back up to the top, and see if "direct rendering" = yes
[11:32] <nadjyla> MachineScrew, try m4v with vlc
[11:32] <MachineScrew> Ng, i get new files frequently though and I need to be permenint
[11:32] <MachineScrew> nadjyla, I use totem and its fine
[11:33] <Arinux> yes
[11:33] <Arinux> but i what about the intel915
[11:33] <MachineScrew> nadjyla, gstreamer is fine just have to set the default audio device to alsa instead of ESD
[11:33] <alsoos> Can any body help me please?
[11:33] <app> pepsi, the deb skype package complains about missing packages on Breezy. The static binary works, but looks ugly. And I was wondering if there would be a more professional way... not tinkering with non-packaged  binaries...
[11:33] <thomas> arinux: what do you want to know about the intel915?
[11:33] <drakeoutlaw> mimetypes are in etc mailcap in standard linux distros
[11:33] <MachineScrew> but the problem is I want all future files to open
[11:34] <drakeoutlaw> i mean /etc/mailcap
[11:34] <Arinux> what about its drivers don't i have to install it?
[11:34] <thomas> arinux: if direct rendering is yes, they're already installed, you're ready to go
[11:35] <Arinux> okay so no need to look for latest drivers
[11:35] <MachineScrew> drakeoutlaw, yes but gnome has it in /usr/share/mime-info/gnome-vfs-mime-types
[11:35] <thomas> arinux: nope
[11:35] <MachineScrew> http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl5_gnome-vfs-mime.htm
[11:35] <nadjyla> MachineScrew,
[11:35] <nopea> anybody having probs with Ubuntu's site?
[11:35] <pepsi> app, are the packages it wants available?
[11:35] <nadjyla> i think for mime you can use bonobo-browser but not sure MachineScrew
[11:35] <Arinux> okay cool
[11:35] <Blixa> exit
[11:35] <MachineScrew> there used to be a way to edit mime properties and set icons for file types
[11:36] <nopea> trying to get 5.10 but the site is not working
[11:36] <MachineScrew> nadjyla, nope
[11:36] <MachineScrew> KDE has a way
[11:37] <silent_scream> morning all
[11:37] <Ng> MachineScrew: I just downloaded an m4v, set it to open with totem, downloaded another and it is already set to run with totem
[11:37] <MachineScrew> to do what I am talking about in konquer and gnome used to
[11:37] <Ng> so I think it works
[11:37] <silent_scream> how can i resize my  ubuntu partition? it s an ext3 filesystem
[11:37] <MachineScrew> Ng ok well thats good now to get the totem-thumbnail thingy to work
[11:38] <nadjyla> Silencer, for resize system partition, do it with a livecd
[11:38] <MachineScrew> Ng, is that possible
[11:38] <Marlowe> thomas: is there a package for hardware 3d on hoary for ATI, or do best I upgrade?
[11:38] <Ng> MachineScrew: I'm not sure
[11:39] <Ng> MachineScrew: it looks like they might be hardcoded, but I'm not sure
[11:39] <MachineScrew> well I will hunt down some docs for totem then if not I will e-mail the developer
[11:39] <Madpilot> Marlowe: there are ATI drivers on Hoary
[11:39] <Madpilot> !tell Marlowe about ati
[11:39] <aeronic> !tell aeronic about ati
[11:40] <Marlowe> cool - any clues to package name?
[11:40] <Madpilot> Marlowe: see the msg that ubotu just sent you; that's got all the details you need
[11:40] <alsoos> Can any one help me in Ubuntu please
[11:41] <mmanns5860> alsoos, whats your problem?
[11:41] <Madpilot> alsoos: please just ask your question...
[11:41] <Marlowe> alsoos - don't ask for help - just leap in
[11:42] <alsoos> ok thank you
[11:42] <alsoos> i have windows server and i want to change it to Ubuntu.  Is there any special version for server
[11:43] <Madpilot> !+server
[11:43] <ubotu> Ubuntu 5.10 Server is out! http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-October/000042.html
[11:43] <nadjyla> ubuntu is not very good for server. debian is better for server
[11:43] <Madpilot> alsoos: see ubotu above ^^^
[11:43] <bungle> bsd
[11:43] <mmanns5860> or try eisfair
[11:43] <bluefrog-10> alsoos, type server at install, i would recommend you though to install normal ubuntu
[11:43] <Ng> nadjyla: why would you say that?
[11:43] <alsoos> ok
[11:44] <Marlowe> Much thanks Madpilot / ubotu
[11:44] <Madpilot> alsoos: the server install has no GUI, it's all command line, just FYI...
[11:44] <alsoos> so it is very hard
[11:44] <oneshot> test
[11:44] <Marlowe> impolite question - is it true that hoary's more stable than breezy ?
[11:45] <alsoos> i have FTP SERVER and mail server also i have VPN
[11:45] <nadjyla> debian much stable for server
[11:45] <Madpilot> Marlowe: not that I've noticed...
[11:45] <alsoos> debian is GUI
[11:46] <Ng> nadjyla: why would you say that?
[11:46] <mmanns5860> Marlowe, I am using breezy and I see no problems
[11:46] <bluefrog-10> alsoos, install normal ubuntu and start your server from there, there won't be any problems
[11:46] <Madpilot> alsoos: the regular Ubuntu install uses Gnome, which is a great GUI, but the server install has no GUI - neither would a debian server, usually.
[11:46] <daaku> how do i get grub to generate the /boot/grub/stage1 file?
[11:46] <Ng> arguably no server should have a GUI
[11:47] <MachineScrew> Ng, if I run the command manualy it works
[11:47] <Marlowe> Ng/Madpilot - just saw some bitching about teething probs some were having
[11:47] <MachineScrew> Ng, totem-video-thumbnailer -s 64x64 Desktop/diggnation--0018--2005-10-26--small.m4v gstreamer
[11:48] <alsoos> OK
[11:48] <Ng> Marlowe: interesting. I've not really had any problems myself though
[11:48] <MachineScrew> Ng, mind you the out put was a png that was called gstreamer
[11:48] <Ng> Marlowe: yeah, that should work, the question is how nautilus knows to run that for any given file
[11:48] <Madpilot> Marlowe: the testing version of Breezy were pretty rocky sometimes - lots of changes - but the release version seems just as stable as Hoary was... and a fair bit faster
[11:48] <MachineScrew> Ng, but now i need nautilus to call that command and do it for me
[11:48] <alsoos> i have this file pureadmin-0.2.2.x86.packge.  How i can install it
[11:49] <BlueEagle> ng: Well, having a GUI is good for setting it up. The GUI doesn't need to run on a regular basis. You could argue space limitations on the harddrives, but with prices what they are it's a thin argument.
[11:49] <alsoos> soory for my question but iam not proffional in linux
[11:49] <Ng> BlueEagle: no, I would argue that not installing a GUI is the correct option for every server
[11:49] <aeronic> hi
[11:49] <Marlowe> cool - well, I'm a see if this worked
[11:49] <BlueEagle> ng: Why?
[11:49] <aeronic> anyone here had problems updateing java to 1.5 ?
[11:49] <aeronic> it says it has, but it aint :)
[11:50] <pepsi> aeronic, java for what? like applets in web pages?
[11:50] <zkl-laptop> alsoos, you can install ubuntu's pureadmin package: sudo apt-get install pureadmin
[11:50] <Ng> BlueEagle: because you have a *much* smaller footprint of installed code for one thing. Also the gui tools barely cover running a server, etc.
[11:50] <aeronic> no, as in the j2jre
[11:50] <pepsi> oh
[11:50] <pepsi> :)
[11:50] <aeronic> for azureus etc
[11:50] <pepsi> then i dunno :D, nevermind
[11:50] <aeronic> thanks tho
[11:51] <MachineScrew> why are the man pages not install by default
[11:51] <BlueEagle> ng: Well, I would argue that if you need a GUI you shouldn't be runnig a server. However a GUI like webmin does make some aspects of managing your server easier.
[11:51] <Subvertir> is there some easy way to configure print/file sharing with samba?
[11:52] <MachineScrew> BlueEagle, webmin alows a remote config so again you don't need a gui
[11:52] <Subvertir> I'd like to share my home directory and a printer with a win2k sp4 host, and it's like hell nah
[11:52] <BlueEagle> machinescrew: webmin is a GUI afaik.
[11:52] <BlueEagle> machinescrew: GUI !== X-server and gnome
[11:52] <MachineScrew> BlueEagle, its in a webbrowser
[11:53] <MachineScrew> BlueEagle, its like CUPS admin page
[11:53] <Subvertir> it's a Graphical User Iinterrface
[11:53] <MachineScrew> but for every thing
[11:53] <Ng> either way, webmin is rubbish ;)
[11:53] <drakeoutlaw> Subvertir: read "using samba" ebook on samba.org. It will tell you all you need to do
[11:53] <Subvertir> damn
[11:53] <Marlowe> Madpilot - the ATI package went much smoother than a few months back - 2000fps :D
[11:53] <MachineScrew> ya good for home server
[11:54] <Marlowe> well, more like 400 but still very nice
[11:54] <MachineScrew> somtime though I find the console to be much quicker than the gui
[11:54] <pepsi> heres an interesting one.. anyone know of a way to share a single keyboard and mouse among 2 computers, so that it acts like a 2nd monitor in a way? like if i move the cursor to the left, it will fall onto the other monitor
[11:54] <Subvertir> they complement each other
[11:54] <Subvertir> yeah
[11:54] <Subvertir> x2x
[11:54] <alsoos> Mr.zkl-laptop when i but the command i have "E: Couldn't find package pure
[11:54] <alsoos> "
[11:54] <Subvertir> pepsi, apt-get install x2x
[11:55] <Ng> pepsi: x2x or synergy
[11:55] <pepsi> interesting
[11:55] <MachineScrew> pepsi, look into synergy
[11:55] <BlueEagle> machinescrew: Sometimes it is much faster. However many configuration files are quite complex, and software like shorewall has got multiple configuration files. The administration of such a package is greatly helped by webmin imo.
[11:55] <BlueEagle> ...and as much as I'd love to continue this discussion I need to go now.
[11:55] <MachineScrew> BlueEagle, ya I get the point
[11:55] <MachineScrew> BlueEagle, I agree though
[11:56] <MachineScrew> BlueEagle, but again I used it in a browser long ago unless somthing changed it still is in a browser
[11:57] <odie5533> Anyone know why my data dvd's wont mount?
[11:57] <alsoos> What is the best version for server and Is it has GUI
[11:57] <bob2> no, real unix servers dont have guis
[11:57] <bob2> they have configuration files
[11:58] <MachineScrew> alsoos, hell they somtimes don't have monitors
[11:58] <pepsi> wow
[11:58] <odie5533> MachineScrew, most wouldn't... remote control
[11:58] <MachineScrew> alsoos, and if they do they are crapy
[11:58] <pepsi> synergy works with linux, osx, and windows
[11:58] <ompaul> s/sometimes/lots of times
[11:58] <aeon17x> MachineScrew: that's kinda pulling it...
[11:58] <dooglus> odie5533: they're scatched?  or dirty?  or corrupted?  or your drive is broken?
[11:59] <odie5533> dooglus, work fine on windows, and I just burnt one and it wont work
[11:59] <nuck> anyone know of a good ldap client (browser/editor)?
[11:59] <dooglus> odie5533: how are you mounting them?  and do you see anything in /var/log/* ?
[11:59] <MachineScrew> alsoos, there are some insecuritys involved with X windows to be on a server
[11:59] <odie5533> dooglus, lots of things in /var/log/ mounting manually and they wont automount
[11:59] <MachineScrew> alsoos, though I am not shure on the details
[11:59] <Marlowe> bob2 - try configuring veritas through the command line ;)
[11:59] <drakeoutlaw> alsoos; for your first server choose a distro like suselinux ver 10. it has gui tools. Once you have learned, switch off the gui
[11:59] <bob2> hah
[12:00] <MachineScrew> ya drakeoutlaw has the right idea
[12:00] <nuck> how secure is ubuntu 5.04?
[12:00] <Marlowe> damn secure
[12:00] <nadjyla> lol
[12:00] <drcode> hi all
[12:00] <bob2> nuck: very, since it has nothing listening on the network by default
[12:01] <Ng> nuck: there aren't any really good LDAP browsers. phpldapadmin isn't bad though
[12:01] <Marlowe> but the big deal with security is the package management - patching is a no brainer
[12:01] <MachineScrew> nuck, https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 go there
[12:01] <drcode> any one know about free housting?
[12:01] <indypende> hi all!
[12:01] <pepsi> like jousting? :)
[12:01] <alsoos> So if i install suselinux ver 10 it is work good for server?
[12:01] <bob2> drcode: this seems off-topic
[12:01] <MachineScrew> nuck, it will test how secure your Ubuntu is
[12:01] <bob2> drcode: try google
[12:01] <bob2> alsoos: #suse
[12:01] <indypende> someone using gnomebaker?
[12:01] <odie5533> Anyone know why my data dvd's wont mount?
[12:01] <bob2> alsoos: ubuntu is far less annoying to maintain, tho
[12:02] <bob2> odie5533: read your syslog
[12:02] <MachineScrew> nuck, default settings its awsome
[12:02] <drakeoutlaw> alsoos: you'll be just fine
[12:02] <Marlowe> alsoos - what are you running on this server?
[12:02] <nuck> Ng i know this isnt ldap channel but do you use gq? i just wanna be able to add a password in a hosts context but its disabled
[12:02] <ompaul> odie5533, have you tried a data CD ?
[12:02] <odie5533> ompaul, data cds work fine
[12:02] <Ng> nuck: I haven't used gq for a pretty long time
[12:02] <indypende> when i start burning something with gnomebaker the app freeze...
[12:02] <alsoos> FTP server and mail server also VPN
[12:03] <Marlowe> any linux distro can do that easily
[12:03] <indypende> with the other burnin' soft all it's ok!
[12:03] <nuck> MachineScrew i followed the  website its not gonna screw my machine eh?
[12:03] <Marlowe> just pick whichever you're happiest with
[12:03] <nuck> :-)
[12:03] <ompaul> odie5533, then I point at the data DVD
[12:03] <Madpilot> indypende: use k3b - gnomebaker freezes for me too...
[12:03] <Nihil85> i need an how-to to read and write in my ntfs HD. can anyone give me the link?
[12:03] <MachineScrew> nuck, naw
[12:03] <odie5533> ompaul, ?
[12:03] <bolrod> Nihil85: you dont want to do that
[12:03] <ompaul> odie5533, hte media
[12:03] <aeon17x> !tell Nihil85 -about windowsdrives
[12:03] <ompaul> odie5533, the media
[12:03] <MachineScrew> nuck, it probes the machine for vunirbilitys
[12:03] <drakeoutlaw> Nihil85: writing in ntfs is not a good idea.
[12:04] <Madpilot> indypende: or for data or ISO burning, just use Nautilus
[12:04] <odie5533> ompaul, the media works fine in windows, and some of the media I tested was just burnt
[12:04] <nuck> my only complaint about ubuntu it dpesnt have a power save feature like turn off monitor standy when not used for a certain period
[12:04] <MachineScrew> nuck, it targest most windows machines but its recomened in firestarter manule
[12:04] <indypende> Madpilot, thank tou much, always the best!
[12:04] <bob2> nuck: sure it does
[12:04] <aeon17x> nuck: it does.
[12:04] <Nihil85> drakeoutlaw, at least i need to read and to export some files from the ntfs HD to the EXT3 HD
[12:04] <bolrod> Nihil85: you can read just fine
[12:04] <aeon17x> nuck: System > Preferences > Screensaver > tweak the standby option.
[12:04] <bolrod> just dont try to write to ntfs
[12:05] <aeon17x> nuck: it's in the Advanced tab, by the way.
[12:05] <bolrod> you can mount it with the -t ntfs option
[12:05] <Marlowe> what's the best irc client?
[12:05] <MachineScrew> nuck, I have run it and I passed and thats with all sorts of stuff though I do have a router and that might make a difference
[12:05] <bolrod> I like console irc
[12:05] <alsoos> i run    FTP server and mail server also VPN
[12:05] <aeronic> Marlowe - mirc
[12:05] <bolrod> using irssi now.. but I may try bitchx
[12:05] <drakeoutlaw> the irc client in opera is way cool
[12:05] <ompaul> odie5533, get a dvd - any dvd even a film or music one - pop it in and see if it mounts
[12:06] <aeronic> heres a question for someone - how do you search for files in ubuntu
[12:06] <Ng> bolrod: irssi is far nicer than bitchx :)
[12:06] <Marlowe> right - off I go then - thx
[12:06] <odie5533> ompaul, just did, wont mount
[12:06] <bolrod> Ng: yes... though it cant remember the windows at all
[12:06] <bolrod> which numbers they have
[12:06] <Ng> bolrod: yes it can
[12:06] <bolrod> how?
[12:06] <MachineScrew> nuck, if you have multipule computers though to protect one computer from the next internaly you will want to run software firewall
[12:06] <odie5533> ompaul, and yes, it is a dvd drive ;)
[12:06] <Ng> bolrod: look at things like /layout save and stuff
[12:06] <bolrod> hmm... ok
[12:06] <nuck> ah i found it i see its turned on after 30 mins or so but thing is i have had my comp idle that long and i remember it shutting down but the battery was still used up
[12:07] <bolrod> cool
[12:07] <bolrod> :)
[12:07] <popey> ubuntu.com getting /.ed?
[12:07] <Marlowe> aeronic - man find - it's very powerful - locate can find things quicker though
[12:08] <odie5533> popey, yup
[12:08] <nuck> MachineScrew i think its gonna take a lot of time for now so i just added it to my bookmark for later
[12:08] <nuck> bob2 you still there?
[12:08] <ompaul> odie5533, pop a disk in and have this running in a terminal before you do, >>tail -f /var/log/syslog  <<
[12:08] <MachineScrew> nuck, it only takes about a few min on a broadband connection
[12:08] <Madpilot> popey: something is up there, yeah...
[12:09] <nuck> bob2: do you know how to tunnel through the ports in using the comp labs wireless so i can chat here while in the labs?
[12:09] <spike> mmmh, anybody experiencing instant crash of firefox on breezy with flash plugins?
[12:09] <pepsi> nuck, ssh to somewhere else
[12:09] <bob2> nuck: you could ssh back to your computer in your college
[12:09] <bob2> nuck: last I tried I could not ssh out of dcslabs at all
[12:09] <spike> I've tried both, flashplugin-mozilla, and flashplugin-nonfree
[12:09] <popey> Madpilot: first story on /. links directly to ubuntu.com
[12:09] <nuck> how's that? :-) what's an embarrased smiley?
[12:09] <spike> both are detected, and cause ff to crash instantly
[12:10] <odie5533> ompaul, it filled the screen before I popped the disk in
[12:10] <popey> just arrived, so lots of clicking
[12:10] <spike> hey ompaul!
[12:10] <odie5533> ompaul, and now it isnt doing anything (the terminal)
[12:10] <pepsi> bob2, howsabout telnet? :)
[12:10] <zim> hi all a dd Q will dd work to backup windows ntfs partions?
[12:10] <stelki> Hello, am I the only one experiencing problems with connecting to Ubuntu.com?
[12:10] <spike> no, it's currently slashdotted
[12:10] <ompaul> hi spike
[12:10] <nuck> bob2 pepsi so to do that i have to have 2 computers right?
[12:10] <stelki> spike, thanks.
[12:10] <bolrod> heh ?
[12:10] <bob2> zim: it will copy any data, yes
[12:11] <MachineScrew> stelki, have you tried ubuntulinux.org
[12:11] <bob2> nuck: one in the lab, one outside it, yes
[12:11] <spike> ompaul: how's u?
[12:11] <odie5533> ompaul, any ideas?
[12:11] <nuck> but the quota it will use is the wireless labs?
[12:11] <stelki> MachineScrew, that does not load for me either, see: I need a mirror for the latest install iso
[12:11] <MachineScrew> hmm one sec then
[12:11] <ompaul> odie5533, well if it not saying anything when you pop in the DVD then its not seeing the media - so maybe you have a hardware issue but without physical access no other ideas
[12:11] <bob2> nuck: for irc? no...
[12:12] <ompaul> spike, take it private :)
[12:12] <odie5533> ompaul, it said a lot of things before I popped it in. Nothing after
[12:12] <odie5533> ompaul, should I try a plain cd and see if it says anything?
[12:12] <ompaul> odie5533, go for it
[12:13] <odie5533> ompaul, the plain cd mounted fine, and the thing still isnt saying anything
[12:13] <odie5533> 'tail -f /var/log/syslog' ?
[12:13] <ompaul> that is it
[12:13] <zim> bob2 if I have 2 10GB  partiotions hda1 hda2 install win$hit on hda1 get it all as it should be drivers etc the dd it hda2 will hda2 boot from grub ?
[12:14] <nadjyla> dont understand
[12:14] <ompaul> odie5533, if it is not showing anything then you have a problem I do not know what to do next with
[12:14] <nuck> im starting to like ubuntu over windows
[12:14] <ompaul> spike, do you not read private messages any more?
[12:14] <stelki> MachineScrew, I found one on dotsrc.org, thanks for the help
[12:14] <odie5533> My syslog thing seems to have stopped at 2 am... i see nothing in it after 2 am and its currently 5 am
[12:15] <MachineScrew> stelki, ok
[12:15] <bastilian> I need help!!!
[12:15] <MachineScrew> stelki, I am also having trouble connecting to it
[12:15] <bob2> zim: dd will copy each bit fro mthe source and copy it to the destination, yes
[12:15] <zim> anyone: if I have 2 10GB  partiotions hda1 hda2 install win$hit on hda1 get it all as it should be drivers etc the dd it hda2 will hda2 boot from grub ?
[12:15] <MachineScrew> bastilian, what do you need
[12:15] <bob2> zim: grub is unlikely to like finding itself on a new partition
[12:15] <ompaul> odie5533, df -h and put the output into paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:15] <bolrod> bastilian: wow... you do
[12:15] <stelki> MachineScrew, okay, silly slashdot :-)
[12:15] <ompaul> !tell bastilian about ask
[12:15] <bolrod> no... HE needs help
[12:16] <bolrod> no?
[12:16] <bastilian> In the usermanagement, i set that i can't perform admin tasks...
[12:16] <bastilian> how do i change this?
[12:16] <odie5533> ompaul, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3978
[12:16] <bolrod> bastilian: ?...
[12:16] <bolrod> bastilian: log in as root
[12:16] <bolrod> :)
[12:16] <MachineScrew> bastilian, first are you the only user
[12:16] <bastilian> yes
[12:17] <bastilian> i tried to perform wih root as user, but it doesn't work
[12:17] <MachineScrew> bastilian, ok well you need to go to system admin the users and groups
[12:17] <MachineScrew> bastilian, did you do su or sudo -i
[12:17] <bastilian> i cant perform this without sudo rights,or?
[12:18] <bolrod> you can't do sudo?
[12:18] <bolrod> are you in /etc/sudoers
[12:18] <bolrod> ?
[12:18] <ompaul> odie5533, no idea at all sorry, I was hoping you had run out of space for /var but that is not the case
[12:18] <MachineScrew> bastilian, you have to do sudo -i or sudo -s that will get you the same as su
[12:18] <odie5533> ompaul, no i did, but I made more room
[12:19] <odie5533> I had accidently filled the hd, then I deleted some things
[12:19] <bastilian> no i'm not in sudoers and i can't change it, or is there a way?
[12:19] <ompaul> odie5533, what type of things did you delete?
[12:19] <MachineScrew> bastilian, neather am I but hey it works
[12:19] <odie5533> video files. Large ones
[12:19] <MachineScrew> bastilian, can you do sudo ?
[12:20] <bastilian> no
[12:20] <apokryphos> bastilian: you're not the first user then
[12:20] <MachineScrew> ok the what we need to do is reboot and boot into failsafe
[12:20] <MachineScrew> bastilian, apokryphos is right
[12:21] <odie5533> ompaul, anyway to restart the system logger?
[12:21] <bolrod> MachineScrew: wont it ask for root password
[12:21] <MachineScrew> bastilian, the user that was created during install is the user
[12:21] <MachineScrew> bolrod, nope
[12:21] <bolrod> hmm
[12:21] <bolrod> where is the config where the initial user is set?
[12:22] <MachineScrew> bolrod, not shure
[12:22] <bolrod> I thought I saw it once
[12:22] <bastilian> how do i start in filesafe mode?
[12:22] <bolrod> but that maybe in sudo'ers
[12:22] <apokryphos> bolrod: the first user's UID is 1000
[12:22] <bolrod> apokryphos: I know
[12:22] <bolrod> but I saw a config file where it was written who the initial user was
[12:23] <MachineScrew> reboot and hit esc when the grub count down begins
[12:23] <bastilian> ok
[12:23] <ompaul>  /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart
[12:23] <apokryphos> bolrod: the first user is made a member of the admin group -- check sudoers. Admin group has sudo powers
[12:23] <ompaul> odie5533,  /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart
[12:23] <odie5533> it failed
[12:23] <bolrod> apokryphos: ah... I removed myself from sudoers
[12:23] <bastilian> recovery mode?
[12:24] <MachineScrew> bastilian yes
[12:24] <apokryphos> bolrod: well, you were never explicitly in sudoers. Only the admin group is declared. Though, it would be a pretty silly thing to remov eit
[12:24] <bastilian> and log in as root?
[12:24] <ompaul> odie5533, I do not know what you removed so I think I may not be of much use to you
[12:24] <bolrod> apokryphos: aha
[12:24] <MachineScrew> bastilian, you shouldn't have to log in
[12:24] <odie5533> erm im gonna go restart my pc then
[12:25] <bastilian> ok and then?
[12:25] <apokryphos> bolrod: why were you mucking around with sudoers file? Obviously going to be a recipe for disaster if you don't know what you're doing...
[12:25] <MachineScrew> bastilian, it should dump you at a root promt
[12:25] <bolrod> I set my root password
[12:25] <bastilian> yes
[12:25] <bolrod> I can login with su
[12:25] <apokryphos> bolrod: erm, so just fix the sudoers file then with root
[12:25] <bolrod> sudo synaptic
[12:25] <bolrod> Password:
[12:25] <bolrod> tim is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[12:25] <MachineScrew> bastilian, what you need to do then is an ls of /home
[12:25] <bolrod> I dont need to
[12:25] <bolrod> I just log in as root
[12:26] <bolrod> and executy any command I want
[12:26] <bolrod> why do it with sudo
[12:26] <bolrod> ?
[12:26] <bolrod> execute*
[12:26] <apokryphos> bolrod: because that's what Ubuntu uses. The programs are patched to use it
[12:26] <bastilian> now i enter "nano /etc/sudoers"
[12:26] <thenuke> bolrod: sudo su -  gives you rootshell
[12:26] <bastilian> ls ?
[12:26] <MachineScrew> bastilian, no leave that allone
[12:26] <El_Che> nano -w instead of nano when editing config file
[12:26] <thenuke> bolrod: so you dont have to type sudo before every single command
[12:26] <MachineScrew> bastilian, ls /home
[12:26] <El_Che> never nano alone
[12:27] <bolrod> thenuke: aha.... anyway.. I still dont like it that much
[12:27] <apokryphos> thenuke: yes, but you shouldn't do it like that; sudo -i is better
[12:27] <thenuke> bolrod: ok
[12:27] <apokryphos> bolrod: why not? It's a superior model.
[12:27] <thenuke> apokryphos: hm ok
[12:27] <bastilian> ok it echos my username
[12:27] <MachineScrew> bastilian, any others
[12:27] <bastilian> no
[12:27] <bolrod> apokryphos: why?
[12:28] <bolrod> if someone gets into my account...  they can perform sudo
[12:28] <bolrod> now .. they cant
[12:28] <bolrod> and since I run most programs as normal user
[12:28] <bolrod> I'd have to create another user .. without sudo
[12:28] <bolrod> which is basically the same as removing myself from sudo
[12:28] <bolrod> right?
[12:28] <apokryphos> bolrod: great logic ;-). That applies to root
[12:28] <MachineScrew> bastilian, ok one sec we are going to manualy add permisons to your account so you can have addmin priv
[12:28] <bastilian> ok
[12:28] <apokryphos> bolrod: a lot of reasons are listed on the wiki, IIRC; check that out
[12:29] <bolrod> oh...
[12:29] <MachineScrew> apokryphos, what is the group that gives admin privleges
[12:29] <Madpilot> bolrod: someone finding out your root account pw could do the same thing...
[12:29] <apokryphos> bolrod: sudo gives you the power to choose who runs what as who; no such capability with root.
[12:29] <apokryphos> MachineScrew: admin
[12:29] <bolrod> Madpilot: but I'm not using the root account for irc
[12:29] <bolrod> and stuff
[12:29] <apokryphos> bolrod: if someone wanted to execute root priv commands, they'd still need to know *your* password
[12:30] <bolrod> yes...
[12:30] <apokryphos> bolrod: if you don't want a given user to have sudo powers, then they shouldn't have them (considering it's your computer)
[12:30] <MachineScrew> bastilian, now run addgroup username admin
[12:31] <MachineScrew> bastilian, i think thats it
[12:31] <MachineScrew> bastilian, one sec while i conferm
[12:31] <bolrod> anyway.. what is the link to this wiki? :)  it seems quite dead still
[12:31] <apokryphos> !root
[12:31] <ubotu> root is probably disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[12:32] <bolrod> hmm.... ubuntu needs to upgrade their servers... I think :)
[12:32] <apokryphos> MachineScrew: is that really meant to be to bastilian? 8)
[12:32] <bob2> how o?
[12:32] <MachineScrew> apokryphos, what??
[12:32] <Madpilot> bolrod: slashdot hit...
[12:32] <bastilian> ok it added my user to admin
[12:33] <MachineScrew> bastilian, ok now su in to your account
[12:33] <MachineScrew> su your username
[12:33] <bolrod> Madpilot: so? :)   shouldn't they be prepared for that
[12:33] <bastilian> ok
[12:33] <bastilian> thats it?
[12:33] <MachineScrew> bastilian, then do sudo nano /etc/fstab
[12:34] <MachineScrew> bastilian, we are just checking to make shure it worked
[12:34] <bolrod> you can open /etc/fstab without root too.. just not alter it
[12:34] <bolrod> I think
[12:34] <Madpilot> bolrod: I'm not sure there really is such a thing as "being prepared for slashdot"...
[12:35] <bolrod> welllll other sites manage to keep it up
[12:35] <bastilian> ok, it works, i'm able to change this file
[12:35] <MachineScrew> bastilian, now add an 'n' to the bottom and try to save it if it dosn't give an error then it worked
[12:35] <bastilian> Thanks a lot!
[12:35] <MachineScrew> bastilian, remove the n before exiting though and resave
[12:35] <MachineScrew> bastilian, no prob
[12:35] <bolrod> hmm.. what would removing /etc/fstab cause...
[12:36] <bolrod> should be some pretty nasty thing during boot
[12:36] <bolrod> :)
[12:36] <MachineScrew> bolrod, funny
[12:36] <MachineScrew> bolrod, why not sudo rm -f /
[12:36] <bolrod> yes
[12:37] <bolrod> but that is not that much fun
[12:37] <bolrod> maybe you can get a shell from grub
[12:37] <bolrod> and mount them manualy
[12:37] <bolrod> ?
[12:37] <MachineScrew> ya right
[12:37] <SirKillalot> hi, how can I install unstable packages? (need newest version of libstdc++6 to play "the mana world")
[12:37] <MachineScrew> bolrod, install windows from ubuntu doing a PXE boot
[12:37] <MachineScrew> bolrod, its possible
[12:37] <bolrod> just pop in the live-cd
[12:37] <ufd_> wooohooo, ubuntu rocks
[12:38] <bolrod> and add the fstab again
[12:38] <realrasta> I upgraded from 5.04 to 5.10 and now I am unable to enable my keyboard us english international layout with dead keys.. anybody experience with this?
[12:38] <bolrod> I guess would me simplest.. :)
[12:38] <SirKillalot> anybody playing "The Mana World" here?
[12:38] <MachineScrew> bolrod, damn its day light
[12:38] <MachineScrew> I haven't slept
[12:38] <bolrod> ?
[12:38] <bolrod> haha
[12:38] <bolrod> its
[12:38] <MachineScrew> what is wrong with me
[12:39] <bolrod> where do you live
[12:39] <aeon17x> MachineScrew: I think you need to take a nap.
[12:39] <El_Che> realrasta: system - preferences - keyboard ?
[12:39] <MachineScrew> bolrod, I live in Georgia
[12:39] <bolrod> aha
[12:39] <bolrod> it is ..
[12:39] <bolrod> Wed Nov  2 12:39:41 2005
[12:39] <bolrod> right here
[12:39] <bolrod> :)
[12:39] <MachineScrew> aeon17x, naw I am always up all night
[12:40] <bolrod> you sleep from 15:00 to 23:00 ?
[12:40] <MachineScrew> bolrod, same day just six hrs ahead
[12:40] <bolrod> indeed :)
[12:40] <MachineScrew> bolrod, nope
[12:40] <bolrod> when I dont have school.. I tend to not sleep some nights
[12:41] <MachineScrew> bolrod, i woke up around 15:00
[12:41] <bolrod> which is especially weird in the middle of the summer
[12:41] <bolrod> since it starts getting light at 4:15 AM
[12:41] <bolrod> :)
[12:41] <MachineScrew> bolrod, ya when I was in school I was installing linux
[12:41] <tarik> hi! does anyone know of any problems with breezy and madwifi?
[12:41] <MachineScrew> bolrod, i was using netscape 4
[12:41] <bob2> of the form...
[12:42] <MachineScrew> bolrod, most linux distros only included mozaic
[12:42] <zkl-laptop> tarik, no, i'm running breezy with a madwifi-supported card right now
[12:42] <bolrod> so.... :)
[12:42] <SirKillalot> how can I install the newest unstable version of libstdc++6? (what do I have to change in my sources.list?)
[12:42] <MachineScrew> bolrod, mozaic sucked
[12:42] <bolrod> :o
[12:42] <bob2> SirKillalot: what are you trying to do?
[12:43] <tarik> zkl-laptop: my breezy freezes on X start if I enable my wireless card on my laptop
[12:43] <ratschnowski> are there any backports available for breezy?
[12:43] <SirKillalot> bob2, I want to play "the mana world" and they say I need the newest version
[12:43] <bob2> ratschnowski: /topic
[12:43] <apokryphos> ratschnowski: /topic
[12:43] <MachineScrew> bolrod, i stayed up all night with linux on my 28.8bps modem
[12:43] <SirKillalot> bob2, http://forums.themanaworld.org/viewtopic.php?t=975&highlight=glibcxx3
[12:43] <bolrod> damn
[12:43] <bob2> SirKillalot: I'd be very surprised if it didn't work in breezy
[12:43] <realrasta> el_che, that does not work, if I select the keyboard layout there my dead keys do not work
[12:43] <bolrod> 28.8 bps... how did you download linux
[12:43] <bolrod> O_O
[12:43] <MachineScrew> bolrod, downloading pictures for FVWM
[12:43] <bolrod> you bought a cd?
[12:43] <bob2> bolrod: slowly
[12:43] <ratschnowski> oh, sorry, didnt see that
[12:44] <SirKillalot> bob2, the guy in the forums also says that he uses breezy, seems not to work
[12:44] <MachineScrew> bolrod, I bought a cd most of the time I got a book
[12:44] <bolrod> bob2: O_o... damn :p
[12:44] <bolrod> took you... 10 hours?
[12:44] <MachineScrew> bolrod, though I did a net install of debian over a 28.8
[12:44] <bob2> SirKillalot: that's insane
[12:44] <zkl-laptop> tarik, anything in dmesg?
[12:44] <MachineScrew> i was a wireless modem before wifi
[12:45] <SirKillalot> bob2, what do you mean?
[12:45] <bob2> SirKillalot: have you tried it yourself?
[12:45] <SirKillalot> bob2, I get the same errors
[12:45] <bob2> SirKillalot: and you have libstd++6 installed?
[12:45] <SirKillalot> bob2, for sure, but not the "unstable" one
[12:45] <bob2> SirKillalot: ...you have breezy's one intalled?
[12:46] <SirKillalot> yep
[12:46] <bolrod> damnit.. I'm hungry
[12:46] <bolrod> maybe eating would solve this problem
[12:46] <SirKillalot> bob2, any idea?
[12:46] <bob2> SirKillalot: what are you trying to intall? the binary tarrball?
[12:46] <SirKillalot> are there unstable repos for ubuntu breezy?
[12:47] <MachineScrew> bolrod, ya it tends to do that
[12:47] <SirKillalot> nope, I installed the deb, but i cannot start it
[12:47] <iiiears> bob2 - you are amazing. :)
[12:47] <bolrod> MachineScrew: cool
[12:47] <kbrooks> SirKillalot: ubuntu is released
[12:47] <MachineScrew> bolrod, don't forget to do that
[12:47] <SirKillalot> kbrooks, oh yea, sure, but I mean some unstable packages
[12:47] <bolrod> all this time.,.. I thought it was the telly that solved it... blah I was so wrong
[12:48] <MachineScrew> kbrooks, I think he is refering to somthing like the backports
[12:48] <kbrooks> SirKillalot: see topic
[12:48] <bob2> SirKillalot: it installed without errors?
[12:48] <kbrooks> "there are no breezy backports"
[12:48] <SirKillalot> bob2, yep
[12:48] <MachineScrew> kbrooks, I know
[12:48] <kbrooks> MachineScrew: u cant mix ubuntu and debian
[12:48] <SirKillalot> shit, but how does the guy in the forum solve the problem?? http://forums.themanaworld.org/viewtopic.php?t=975&highlight=glibcxx3
[12:49] <MachineScrew> kbrooks, but in debian there are testing stable and unstable and he wants to know if there is somthing similar
[12:49] <bob2> SirKillalot: jut compile the source
[12:49] <MachineScrew> kbrooks, tor works and its for Debian
[12:49] <SirKillalot> bob2, of what?
[12:49] <bob2> SirKillalot: mana
[12:50] <MachineScrew> kbrooks, though I would not try libs though or much else other than w32codecs
[12:51] <MachineScrew> SirKillalot, compileing from the source works if you have the development tools installed
[12:51] <kbrooks> MachineScrew: do not do that
[12:51] <kbrooks> marillat is debian only
[12:52] <bob2> w32codecs from marillat is fine
[12:52] <kbrooks> bob2: why???
[12:52] <bob2> of course, making people understand they should not install anything else is hard
[12:52] <bob2> kbrooks: because it deosn't Depend on anything
[12:52] <MachineScrew> kbrooks, ya um in the ubuntu wiki it says to get it from there
[12:52] <bob2> it's basically just data, as far as everything but mplayer i concerned
[12:53] <MachineScrew> kbrooks, bob2 is correct
[12:53] <bob2> kbrooks: using Debian packages on ubuntu is dangerous because their dependencies are not neccessarily compatible
[12:54] <MachineScrew> kbrooks, though the wiki dose mention that you should disable it or risk breaking ubuntu
[12:54] <silent_scream> hey guys every time that im trying to open a file through xine, xine quits and console gives me an error message : xiTK received SIGSEGV signal, RIP. what is going on ?
[12:54] <bob2> use something other than xine
[12:54] <kbrooks> bob2: ahh, depends
[12:54] <bob2> adn file a bug
[12:54] <kbrooks> bob2: ok
[12:54] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, what file are you trying to open
[12:55] <silent_scream> gxine has no prob bob2 but i like xine and i want to make it work
[12:55] <kbrooks> bob2: so why dont you all say that to those people
[12:55] <nadjyla> silent_scream, it it s work with gxine, check you choice esd options xine
[12:55] <silent_scream> MachineScrew, any typw .mp3 .mpg etc
[12:55] <kbrooks> who dont understand the discintion between depends and debian
[12:55] <bob2> kbrooks: because people won't listen and will fuck their system up
[12:55] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, why use xine if gxine works
[12:56] <kbrooks> bob2: "won't listen" <- or won't understand?
[12:56] <silent_scream> MachineScrew, cause i like it better :p
[12:56] <bob2> both, I guess
[12:56] <kbrooks> its always better to ask questions if in doubt
[12:56] <[nige] > anyone setup Courier-imap+sasl?
[12:56] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, ok hmm one sec
[12:57] <bob2> pretty sure courier-imap doesn't care about sasl?
[12:57] <[nige] > yer
[12:57] <[nige] > I have it running
[12:57] <[nige] > but i want to use sasl
[12:57] <[nige] > as well :>
[12:57] <[nige] > so i cant have my mail server Haxx0rd
[12:58] <bob2> huh?
[12:58] <MachineScrew> ok xine is incredibly out dated
[12:58] <bob2> sasl doesn't stop thing being broken into
[12:58] <bob2> and ha nothing to do with imap
[12:58] <[nige] > i dont want my mail server to stand out as an openrelay
[12:58] <[nige] > no
[12:58] <bob2> um
[12:58] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, there is a newer one one sec
[12:58] <bob2> is it an open relay now?
[12:58] <[nige] > my mail server is an imap server
[12:58] <cappiz> what chmod is this -rwsrwxrwx ?
[12:58] <bob2> wtf
[12:58] <[nige] > I dont think soo
[12:58] <kbrooks> bob2: heh
[12:58] <bob2> ok, do not ue the phrae "mail server" again
[12:58] <kbrooks> bob2: i dont blame u
[12:58] <silent_scream> MachineScrew, im all ears... or better.. all eyes
[12:58] <bob2> if you mean "smtp server", ay so
[12:58] <[nige] > but I believe I need sasol to be able to send emails via it again
[12:58] <[nige] > from another location
[12:58] <kbrooks> [nige] : you dont understand
[12:59] <[nige] > pardon?
[12:59] <kbrooks> [nige] : listen: ALL MAIL SERVERS, even with special protocols, can be open relays
[12:59] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, ok go here http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/
[12:59] <bob2> kbrooks: eh?
[12:59] <bob2> [nige] : if you're talking about an "smtp server", you need to put that in your question
[01:00] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, get the rpm and run alien on it
[01:00] <[nige] > sure, everything "can" be but I want to make it alittle more secure
[01:00] <kbrooks> MachineScrew: NO NO NO
[01:00] <silent_scream> ok
[01:00] <kbrooks> MachineScrew: that breaks systems
[01:00] <bob2> [nige] : does courier-mta support sasl?
[01:00] <kbrooks> brb
[01:00] <app> Who do I check, if an installation uses any universe/multiverse packages?
[01:00] <[nige] > I thought courier-map does
[01:00] <drcode> hi all
[01:00] <zamba> how do i get aterm for 5.10?
[01:00] <zamba> it's not in the default set of packages
[01:01] <[nige] > imap rather does / did / I heard it was possible to get it working
[01:01] <MachineScrew> kbrooks, no it won't
[01:01] <drcode> can I know some one to what server it connect in irc channel by nick name?
[01:01] <app> Can I filter in Synaptic for "installed non-official packages"
[01:01] <bob2> [nige] : courier-imap has nothing to do with sasl
[01:01] <MachineScrew> kbrooks have you tried it
[01:01] <silent_scream> gxine has skins???
[01:01] <bob2> [nige] : nor relaying
[01:01] <[nige] > okay
[01:01] <bob2> [nige] : which is why I keep uggesting you use the term "smtp server", if that's what you mean
[01:01] <[nige] > okay bob :)
[01:01] <[nige] > hang on
[01:01] <[nige] > I have setup a courier-imap server so i can get my mail from pretty much anyway right
[01:01] <bob2> also, courier-mta seems kinda crap compared to postfix
[01:02] <MachineScrew> kbrooks, dude what are you scared of
[01:02] <[nige] > I can connect and send mail on it only if i am inside the network its located on, but i can receive mail if i am outside it, but cant send
[01:02] <MachineScrew> kbrooks, xine is a program not a vital lib
[01:02] <[nige] > exim handles my mta :)
[01:02] <[nige] > does that make alittle more sense?
[01:02] <MachineScrew> kbrooks, it works fine on mine
[01:03] <bob2> [nige] : yes, but it shows you're kinda lost
[01:03] <Xenguy> MachineScrew: alien is a last resort typically
[01:03] <bob2> [nige] : this has nothing to do with courier
[01:03] <MachineScrew> kbrooks and dpkg will infrom me if its going to break any thing
[01:03] <bolrod> yo.. when is ubuntu upgrading the openoffice... to 2.0.0 or something
[01:03] <bob2> [nige] : you want to configure exim to accept mail from SASL-authenticated users
[01:03] <bob2> bolrod: in april
[01:03] <[nige] > okay
[01:03] <bolrod> HEH?
[01:03] <bolrod> its already out!
[01:03] <bolrod> like
[01:03] <[nige] > thats probaby right then
[01:03] <bolrod> few weeks
[01:03] <MachineScrew> Xenguy, you know where a Ubuntu deb of the xine cvs is ?
[01:03] <app> Evolution works with our office Exchange server, but it does not add the newly sent messages to "Sent items"? Why?
[01:03] <bob2> bolrod: that's awesome
[01:03] <[nige] > okay
[01:03] <bob2> bolrod: the next stable ubuntu release is in april
[01:04] <[nige] > hmmmmm
[01:04] <bolrod> ... they dont upgrade between those?
[01:04] <[nige] > see i noted the cyrus has sasl packages
[01:04] <[nige] > but courrier doesnt
[01:04] <bob2> bolrod: stable is updated every six months
[01:04] <aeon17x> bolrod: they do, but only when there are security issues.
[01:04] <Xenguy> MachineScrew: If I wanted that (and why would I :-), I'd try rolling from source with checkinstall's help
[01:04] <[nige] > i wonder if exim is easy to get sasl working wit
[01:04] <bob2> [nige] : this has nothing at all to do with courier
[01:04] <bolrod> bah
[01:04] <MachineScrew> Xenguy, that is my point there are not many repos out there for Ubuntu
[01:04] <MachineScrew> Xenguy, why it works
[01:04] <bob2> bolrod: dapper probably has oo 2.0 already
[01:04] <[nige] > i understand that bob2
[01:04] <iiiears> bolrod - easy man slo-ow down - this distro is moving at light speed compared to the old debian schedule - grin
[01:05] <bolrod> yeah.. thats true..
[01:05] <MachineScrew> Xenguy, if I got dependincy errors apt-get -f install will fix and then I will go to source
[01:05] <bolrod> though why use a beta release of openoffice
[01:05] <bolrod> when the stable is right there
[01:05] <Xenguy> MachineScrew: I'm out of time, have fun :-)
[01:05] <MachineScrew> but if I have got a pakage I will try it
[01:05] <MachineScrew> ok
[01:06] <bob2> bolrod: because stable is released and is not updated just because something newer came out
[01:06] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, so whats happening
[01:06] <bolrod> erh.... ok..
[01:06] <[nige] > anyways
[01:06] <bolrod> so what running releases of ubuntu are there
[01:06] <[nige] > I gotta run
[01:06] <[nige] > catch ya
[01:06] <[nige] > cya
[01:06] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, also make shure you remove the old xine-ui first
[01:06] <silent_scream> i get an error : with a "generated"
[01:06] <tidsrom> app: in your account settings, there is a tab where you can set the folders to use for sent messages and drafts.
[01:07] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, what is the error
[01:07] <silent_scream> generated is missing something
[01:07] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, what??
[01:08] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, it worked fine on my system
[01:08] <silent_scream> i don't know man
[01:08] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, you have the libxine installed right
[01:09] <silent_scream> yeap
[01:09] <dooglus> I've built the breezy kernel from source.  When I boot it with my usual "vga=773" lilo setting, it boots all black until it gets to the gdm screen.  the pre-built kernel is fine though.  any idea why, or how I can fix it?
[01:09] <MachineScrew> ok type ls
[01:10] <silent_scream> ls where?
[01:10] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, in the download dir of the rpm
[01:10] <silent_scream> MachineScrew, i downoloaded ==> http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/xine-ui-0.99.4cvs-051003.i586.rpm
[01:10] <silent_scream> righth
[01:10] <silent_scream> ?
[01:11] <Phendragon> #ubuntu-es
[01:11] <silent_scream> not the src i mean
[01:11] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, generated isn't an error
[01:11] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, I got the same
[01:11] <app> tidsrom: thank you!
[01:11] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, you should now have a deb in the same dir
[01:12] <tidsrom> app: you're welcome.
[01:12] <dooglus> a few of the breezy release candidate kernels had the same problem, but it got fixed in the final release.  so what changed?
[01:12] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, xine-ui_0.99.4cvs-51004_i386.deb
[01:12] <silent_scream> nono MachineScrew generated is missing was the error
[01:12] <K_Dallas> hi guys! what is the fastest way to download latest ubuntu? thanks
[01:13] <K_Dallas> (homepage is so slow here!)
[01:13] <dooglus> K_Dallas: bittorrent?
[01:13] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, ok ok I am trying to understand what was the command you did
[01:13] <silent_scream> yes yes  sorry my mistake man im sorry
[01:13] <K_Dallas> dooglus, that would be ok
[01:13] <silent_scream> fixed it sorry again
[01:13] <K_Dallas> dooglus, do i find the link on ubuntu homepage?
[01:13] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, -d ?
[01:13] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, how did you fix it
[01:14] <silent_scream> well my mistake was:  sudo dpkg -i xine-ui_0.99.4cvs-51004_i386.deb generated !!! hahaha it s so funny man
[01:14] <Whistler> hello
[01:15] <Whistler> :)
[01:15] <K_Dallas> (is this the latest: buntu-5.10-install-i386.iso.torrent ?
[01:15] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, ya that is funny
[01:15] <Whistler> K_Dallas yep 5.10 is the latest
[01:15] <K_Dallas> great, thanks guys
[01:15] <silent_scream> sorry my mistake... :p
[01:15] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, ok now xine should work
[01:15] <silent_scream> yeap thnx so much
[01:15] <MachineScrew> np
[01:15] <angelo> hi guys
[01:16] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, normaly don't use alien it can lead to intresting and unexpected results
[01:16] <aftertaf> hi Kamping_Kaiser :)
[01:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi aftertaf :)
[01:16] <silent_scream> so when you transform an .rpm to a .deb it has no diferrence than a original .deb ??
[01:17] <aftertaf> silent_scream> i wouldnt guarantee that......
[01:17] <K_Dallas> nice, it is pretty fast ;)
[01:17] <nadjyla> agree with MachineScrew
[01:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> silent_scream: it's different
[01:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's just closer then an RPM
[01:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> and apt can handle it
[01:18] <silent_scream> i think so too
[01:20] <MachineScrew> nadjyla, I had previous experiance with xine-ui rpm from that site before and I have also done it before so that is why I told him to do it
[01:20] <silent_scream> im trying to open gparted and i can't does anybody know what s happening ?
[01:21] <MachineScrew> silent_scream, you doing sudo gparted
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> gksudo
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> don't dare use sudo :@
[01:21] <silent_scream> i get an error in cocnsole (segmentation fault)
[01:22] <MachineScrew> Kamping_Kaiser, why ??
[01:22] <MachineScrew> gksudo is just a pretty gui
[01:22] <silent_scream> when i use gksudo gparted opens and close a moent after
[01:22] <yodaa> hello, anyone who could teach me how to add items to the right click menu in gnome? (the one that can be used to create folders on your desktop etc)?
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> MachineScrew: because people using sudo has a habit of locking them out of their x sessions
[01:23] <MachineScrew> Kamping_Kaiser, has never happened to me
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> MachineScrew: try launching k3b with sudo and you should loose controll of your .xauth* file
[01:24] <steve_> Hi all, can anyone tell me how I can get write access to a floppy drive?
[01:24] <MachineScrew> Kamping_Kaiser, I will never use k3b
[01:24] <MachineScrew> Kamping_Kaiser, kde apps in GNOME is just asking for trouble
[01:24] <Coweater> if you set up permissions properly you wouldn't be running k3b as root
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> MachineScrew: niether ;) but it's a matter of principal
[01:24] <Coweater> kde apps run fine in gnome
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> steve_: make sure you don't have the write prottect tab on :)
[01:25] <MachineScrew> Kamping_Kaiser, so what be parinoid of all programs because of one misbehaved one ?
[01:25] <steve_> LOL even I'm not that green
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> MachineScrew: yeh, basicly
[01:25] <silent_scream> well im trying to resize ubuntu and i can't find a way to do it...!
[01:26] <silent_scream> ubuntu partition i mean**
[01:26] <nadjyla> silent_scream, il you want tor esize a system partition, do it with a livecd
[01:26] <silent_scream> the filesystem is ext3
[01:26] <MachineScrew> Kamping_Kaiser, so just because a metor fell from the sky once we must all stay indoors ?
[01:26] <silent_scream> how nadjyla  ?
[01:26] <steve_> I think I need to edit the fstab but not sure how
[01:26] <nadjyla> silent_scream, you cant resize a system partition if you use it
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> MachineScrew: you should stay indoors anyway ;)
[01:27] <silent_scream> nadjyla, shall i download the livecd of ubuntu then ?
[01:27] <MachineScrew> Kamping_Kaiser, how can you learn any thing with linux by being parinoid
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> MachineScrew: man man :S but i do take your point
[01:27] <Coweater> MachineScrew: use a test box
[01:27] <MachineScrew> Kamping_Kaiser, i do sudo gedit all the time
[01:28] <yme> why?
[01:28] <nadjyla> for partition, i prefer use the livecd of mandriva. but ubuntulivecd is good
[01:28] <MachineScrew> Coweater, why are you guys so timid
[01:28] <pepsi> what file is it where i can set specify ips for arbitrary hostnames? /etc/resolv.conf right? and i just add "foobar <IP_ADDRESS>" or somesuch?
[01:28] <nadjyla> or you can take the livecd: systemrescue cd
[01:29] <nadjyla> 100 mo i think
[01:29] <pepsi> /etc/hosts
[01:29] <pepsi> :)
[01:29] <MachineScrew> Coweater, back in the day I loaded a virus on my system just to see what would happen and to see if the anti-virus prog worked
[01:29] <Ng> pepsi: pretty much, yep
[01:30] <pepsi> Ng, ah.. i do it the other way around.. no wonder i was having problems
[01:30] <pepsi> foobar x.x.x.x
[01:30] <MachineScrew> lets get real parinoid shall we
[01:30] <steve_> Help needed editing fstab please
[01:30] <MachineScrew> ok no one install the w32codecs MS will come after you because you are violating there licence
[01:30] <silent_scream> nadjyla,  what about suse?
[01:31] <nadjyla> suse is nt good for rezise partition
[01:31] <MachineScrew> oh don't install lame you will need to pay some dude royalties
[01:32] <silent_scream> nadjyla, and even through a live cd how can i resize it ?
[01:32] <MachineScrew> that is my point
[01:32] <angelo> steve, i think u can resize ur partition using the ubuntu install cd itself
[01:32] <nadjyla> with a livecd, you can use gparted and qtparted ans resize ypour system partition
[01:32] <MachineScrew> lets not try any new cool programs that are not in the repos
[01:33] <silent_scream> aha
[01:33] <silent_scream> thnx
[01:33] <MachineScrew> better yet lets push the keyboard away and not use the damned computer lol
[01:33] <steve_> angelo: I dont want to resize a partition just write a file to a floppy
[01:35] <MachineScrew> i thought we all used linux because we like to try things known bugs or not
[01:35] <Seven> Anyone knows the package containing gvim? apt-cache search vim doesnt point much to me...
[01:36] <nadjyla> Seven, check if you configure well sources.list
[01:36] <MachineScrew> Seven, did you try gtk-vim
[01:36] <Seven> nadjyla, i believe sources are correct ;)
[01:36] <Seven> MachineScrew, i'll try that
[01:36] <angelo> sory i was referring to the partition prob :P
[01:37] <MachineScrew> Seven, vim-gtk is it
[01:37] <nadjyla> Seven,
[01:37] <nadjyla> Seven,  vim-gtk or vim-gnome
[01:37] <Seven> MachineScrew, yes i tried vim-gtx as well but it says vim replaces it
[01:38] <angelo> has any1 installed an antivirus in thier ubuntu box?
[01:38] <MachineScrew> Seven, you mean vim-gtk
[01:38] <MachineScrew> angelo, why
[01:38] <Seven> MachineScrew, lol yes i do sorry for the typo
[01:38] <MachineScrew> angelo, security through obscurity
[01:39] <angelo> MachineScrew, i've install antivir and the GUI doesn't work
[01:39] <MachineScrew> Seven, try vim-gnome
[01:39] <angelo> can any1 suggest a solution?
[01:39] <MachineScrew> angelo, why do you need an antivirus prog
[01:40] <Seven> MachineScrew, yes i shall and i'm putting up more rep sources just in case ;)
[01:40] <MachineScrew> Seven, cool
[01:40] <MachineScrew> angelo, what antivirus are you trying
[01:41] <angelo> Machine, AntiVir
[01:41] <nadjyla> angelo, use clam
[01:41] <Seven> MachineScrew, thank you very much found out that i forgot to put universe on the updates... security had it but not regular updates :P
[01:41] <MachineScrew> Seven, np
[01:41] <MachineScrew> angelo, AntiVir ??
[01:42] <angelo> I managed to install the console, but it says it has a GUI but I don't know how to run it
[01:42] <nadjyla> clam is better and good on linux
[01:42] <nadjyla> and there is a good gui
[01:43] <leagris> hello, anyone here have some deep insights about ubuntu linux kernel sata and libata bugs and ways to workaround it ?
[01:43] <MachineScrew> angelo i need to know the name of the program
[01:43] <steve_> I want to save my sources list to floppy but get a cant save file error, can anyone help?
[01:43] <angelo> nadjyla, is it the one listed in the synaptic P M?
[01:43] <nadjyla> yes
[01:44] <angelo> Machine, its "AntiVir Workstation"
[01:44] <nadjyla> beacause it s free so listed in synaptic
[01:45] <MachineScrew> angelo, you downloaded this
[01:45] <leagris> I encounter NULL pointer crash in libata with an ATAPI SATA PX716SA Plextor DVD burner plugged to an 82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller and ubuntu Breezy.
[01:45] <angelo> ok thanks nadjyla, but I was hoping if sum1 can help me in fixing this
[01:45] <MachineScrew> angelo, you know this is a comercial
[01:45] <angelo> Machine, yup
[01:46] <MachineScrew> angelo, you also realy don't need an anti virus program
[01:46] <nadjyla> i tryed like you ith your soft, but there arnet much upgrade
[01:46] <angelo> linux version of AntiVir is free
[01:46] <nadjyla> sorry
[01:46] <MachineScrew> angelo, still you realy don't need one
[01:47] <Seven> angelo, i kind of agree with MachineScrew
[01:47] <aftertaf> angelo> unless it is for a mailserver that has windows clients.....
[01:47] <aftertaf> :)
[01:47] <leagris> or someone can tell me his good working experience with Ubuntu using an SATA DVD Burner, telling what SATA controler and what brand of SATA DVD burner they use ?
[01:48] <MachineScrew> aegis is good
[01:48] <iceman> Ok, anyone know how to replace the UBUNTU "GNOME" startup screen, the brown background and the brown screen that tells you its loading the devices ...
[01:48] <angelo> ok i guess so
[01:48] <Seven> aftertaf, sure i wasn't thinking about that... private linux machines are most likely not to need an AV
[01:48] <nadjyla> iceman, gnome-control-center=>splashscreen
[01:49] <aftertaf> Seven> totally ;)  i think it is the only case.... then again, format and install a better OS ;)
[01:49] <iceman> there a commandline to launch that
[01:50] <nadjyla>  gnome-splashscreen-manager
[01:50] <nadjyla> and you can use gnome-art to download and install some splashcreen
[01:50] <MachineScrew> angelo,  aegis virus scaner is availible and has a spiffy interface
[01:50] <angelo> Machine, ok thanks for the tips guys
[01:51] <MachineScrew> angelo, np
[01:52] <MachineScrew> by all
[01:52] <iceman> ran gnome control center and no app for splashscreen
[01:52] <MachineScrew> and DON'T be PARINOID lol
[01:52] <nadjyla> on breezy, i talk iceman
[01:52] <aftertaf> !cigarette
[01:53] <ubotu> It's bad to smoke, but aftertaf needs one all the same...  Here dude, have a light :)
[01:53] <angelo> has any1 ordered Ubuntu thru shipit?
[01:53] <nadjyla> directly the command line is : gnome-splashscreen-manager
[01:53] <Seven> umm isn't it easier to follow System > Administration > Login Screen Setup?
[01:54] <Alex> angelo: yus
[01:54] <nadjyla> no, he talk for change splashscreen
[01:54] <iceman> nadjyla "dont follow" i got nothing in my menus for Gnome control center... and it is installed, but nothing about splash screen
[01:54] <nadjyla> iceman, you use breezy or hoary?
[01:54] <iceman> breezy
[01:54] <Seven> oh got it :P
[01:55] <sgbirch> Is anyone using evolution with a palm device (eke treo)
[01:55] <odie5533> Anyone know how to tell Nautilus that my cd drive can also write cds?
[01:55] <nadjyla> iceman, the command line gnome-splashscreen-manager doesn t work ?
[01:55] <iceman> ok, ill try thatone
[01:55] <Seven> nadjyla, tried here too and it doesn't work
[01:56] <angelo> I ordered expecting breezy cds but what I received where hoary...
[01:56] <nadjyla> it s work with me. maybe have to install with synaptic
[01:56] <app> I just installed ubuntu-firewall script of Robet C. Pectol. Is it any good? Any problems you know with the standrad rules?
[01:56] <Seven> probably
[01:56] <iceman> I'm actualy browsing in usr/bin for the file
[01:56] <aftertaf> sgbirch> ive got a treo, but i use kde...
[01:57] <nadjyla> iceman, i take a screenshoot
[01:57] <aftertaf> in fact i use e17 so its even more complicated than that now. i'll need to run the daemon manually first :)
[01:57] <pirast> whats up with the ubuntu homepage?
[01:58] <Seven> Anyone knows how to automate the & at the end of every command so i can keep using the terminal while launching some app?
[01:58] <Seven> pirast, the ubuntu homepage seems to be down (or at least incredibly slow) for the time being
[01:59] <iceman> there a command to search for files ?
[01:59] <Alex> angelo: When did you order?
[01:59] <pirast> hm k.. because it was slow and down yesterday too.. i was just wondering, thanks..
[01:59] <bluefrog-10> they seem to have problems with certificates
[02:00] <Seven> iceman, if you're looking for executables try whereis
[02:00] <Seven> iceman, e.g. whereis vim
[02:01] <angelo> Alex, september 18
[02:01] <Alex> angelo: I believe they were still shipping Hoary CDs at the time, as Breezy wasn't released.
[02:01] <Seven> angelo, you ordered too soon i guess
[02:02] <app> My Skype generic-Linux-386-static binary on Breezy (the only one that works) has too large ugly fonts. Can I change that?
[02:02] <nadjyla> iceman: splashcreen for gnome : http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot6mp.png
[02:02] <Coweater> iceman: locate
[02:02] <emgee> Can someone do me a favour and check what the IP is to first hit on google searching for network tools?
[02:03] <Seven> nadjyla incredibly beautiful theme :)
[02:03] <Alex> emgee: <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:03] <emgee> thanks A
[02:03] <iceman> cant fine it ... and i see the screenshot ..
[02:03] <nadjyla> i loss all my prefernces, so it s the default theme
[02:04] <nadjyla> iceman: install it with synaptic or apt-get
[02:04] <angelo> Alex, Seven, I ordered again and hope it will arive after a month or so.
[02:04] <app> ..
[02:04] <Seven> iceman,  you gotta use synaptic lol
[02:04] <Seven> angelo, yes i'm still waiting for mine... ordered somewhere in october
[02:05] <nathanj> is totem-xine installed by default or totem-gstreamer?
[02:05] <iceman> i fetched with apt-get
[02:05] <nadjyla> gstreamer nathanj
[02:05] <nathanj> which is better?
[02:05] <nadjyla> but you can install totem-xine (better)
[02:06] <pirast> but totem-xine is very crashy ;-)
[02:06] <nathanj> does zine still use the all teh gstreamer-plugibns etc?
[02:06] <ekimus> emgee: <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:06] <iceman> nadjyla cool, now i need splashscreens .. lol
[02:07] <nadjyla> use gnome-art
[02:07] <nadjyla> it s rox
[02:08] <Seven> nadjyla, didn't know about gnome-art its really good :)
[02:08] <iceman> checking synaptic for splash ?
[02:08] <nadjyla> no, uses gnome-art to take splashscreen
[02:09] <iceman> nadjyla there next ...
[02:09] <Seven> most useless application ever: cowsay lol
[02:12] <nathanj> does totem-zine still use gstreamer-plugs etc?
[02:12] <EmergeTW> Anyone know where emacs is located under the add applications menu?
[02:13] <_jason> EmergeTW:  I think it's put in accessories
[02:13] <_jason> EmergeTW:  oh in add... idk
[02:14] <ElCeViTo> selam millet
[02:14] <Seven> EmergeTW, emacs isn't installed by default so if it isn't where _jason said then you must apt-get it
[02:15] <_jason> EmergeTW:  just use synaptic or apt-get
[02:17] <blackgate> anybody that have installed and used NVU?
[02:18] <iiiears> NVU - is a good app.
[02:22] <spiral> hi
[02:22] <zyclop666> greetings
[02:22] <lars> Hi, does breezy support grup splashsimages?
[02:23] <aftertaf> lars> yes
[02:23] <Nihil85> hallo
[02:23] <aftertaf> lars> install the grub images package with apt, then gogle for grub splash images, there is a good gentoo wiki howto somewere thet does it for you
[02:24] <lars> aftertaf, ok thanks!
[02:24] <Nihil85> i tried to mount my flppy disk, but ubuntu still says that the device is not valid. why?
[02:24] <augustin> hello
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi'
[02:26] <augustin> i have a wifi problem, but not related to Ubuntu (it does the same in Win). i don't know where to ask for help, could you guys redirect me to another IRC channel, or better, help me ? =D
[02:27] <zyclop666> what is the best way to acces my other harddisc?
[02:28] <spola> zyclop666, mount it and use nautilus?
[02:28] <nadjyla> on breezy: use disks-admin (easy) or fstab
[02:29] <zyclop666> k, gonna do that
[02:31] <thechitowncubs> hey
[02:31] <spola> say, how can i reroute audio devices trhu esd so i can listen to music and play ET at the same time? i used to use artsdsp back in my kde days and found mentions of esddsp on google, but esddsp isnt installed andi cant find it in synaptic. any help please? :p
[02:31] <augustin> i have a wifi problem, but not related to Ubuntu (it does the same in Win). i don't know where to ask for help, could you guys redirect me to another IRC channel, or better, help me ? =D
[02:32] <silent_scream> im trying to open limewire through a console and i get this error message : http://pastebin.com/414716
[02:32] <timmow> augustin: if its a hardware problem, its an ubuntu problem.  Unless its the ndiswrapper drivers
[02:33] <augustin> timmow, nah, it happens both in Windows and Ubuntu =/ but i don't know where to find help, the problem is hard to describe so i can't really google it, that's why i'd need an IRC channel =/
[02:33] <eedge> Heya, I've just installed hoary hedgehog (5.04) :)
[02:34] <eedge> managed to get internet connection through my local proxy....
[02:34] <eedge> but, I think I need a new source.list as when I apt get things it doesn't work.
[02:34] <eedge> I tried the sources.list from ubuntuguide but that didn't work either...
[02:34] <aftertaf> eedge> you need to tell apt to use the proxy.
[02:34] <the--dud> as its not in the topic atm, the wiki page being down is a known issue right?
[02:34] <eedge> how do I do that?
[02:35] <aftertaf> eedge> 2 secs.... create a file called /etc/apt/apt.conf and put this in it. : Acquire::http::Proxy "http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8090";
[02:35] <aftertaf> eedge> Acquire::http::Proxy "http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8090";
[02:35] <aftertaf>  <  cange details to match your own...
[02:36] <eedge> thanks, I'll try it now :)
[02:36] <aftertaf> eedge> then apt-get update should work.
[02:36] <brenner> anyone a bmp user?
[02:36] <aftertaf> yup
[02:36] <eedge> will I have to create the file from terminal with sudo?
[02:37] <aftertaf> eedge> yep. nano or vim ;)
[02:37] <aftertaf> with sudo
[02:37] <MasterYuri> hi all
[02:38] <MasterYuri> can i explane you my problem?
[02:38] <brenner> MasterYuri: that's what we're here for
[02:39] <leagris> where is a good place to get some help about libata SATA NULL pointer refernce crash in ubuntu ?
[02:39] <the--dud> is ubuntu hosted at FDCservers?
[02:39] <MasterYuri> my firefox
[02:39] <MasterYuri> :(
[02:39] <MasterYuri> the home page is google
[02:39] <MasterYuri> but firefox open http://www.whatuseek.com/
[02:40] <MasterYuri> how is possible :|?
[02:40] <K_Dallas> Q: the memtest on the boot from the CD, is it to test the RAM and when should i stop it? thanks
[02:40] <aftertaf> MasterYuri> on linux?
[02:40] <nadjyla> yes. to test ram
[02:40] <MasterYuri> yes
[02:40] <the--dud> memtest will stop when its done K_Dallas
[02:40] <MasterYuri> ubuntu
[02:40] <Seven> MasterYuri, are you sure you spelled www.google.com correctly? sometimes typos do that
[02:41] <K_Dallas> the--dud, i have never waited that long ;)
[02:41] <MasterYuri> i'm sure but let's control...
[02:41] <K_Dallas> but i will this time, thanks guys
[02:41] <K_Dallas> thanks nadjyla
[02:41] <leagris> K_Dallas, yes it is, and you must top it when you guess the ram is ok (at least one entire rune of the complete set of tests)
[02:41] <the--dud> if you've spelled it right MasterYuri, someone must have messed with your /etc/hosts or /etc/resolve
[02:41] <K_Dallas> leagris, thank you
[02:41] <leagris> if you don't stop it, it will loop the tests forver just conting if an error occurs
[02:41] <K_Dallas> Q2: could tetex3 be installed on the latest ubuntu?
[02:42] <K_Dallas> leagris, that was my understanding, thanks again
[02:43] <leagris> K_Dallas, Its a good idea to run it all the night and look at what that said the morning time
[02:43] <brenner> K_Dallas: there's a tetex-bin package, not sure what version it is
[02:43] <brenner> but it includes all the LaTeX goodies
[02:43] <leagris> some RAM deffects don't realy show stright and only appear after some significant heatup or time
[02:44] <K_Dallas> i heard from another ubuntu user that the default tetex is 2, and even on debian they have (well as far as i remember) tetex3 on experimental
[02:44] <leagris> I just do it whant I install a new RAM module and return it to the store if it show deffectiv
[02:44] <Seven> Anyone knows how to automate the & at the end of every command so i can keep using the terminal while launching some app?
[02:44] <spola> [SOLVED]  if you want esddsp, dont bother searching for it in synaptic. its in the package esound-clients
[02:45] <eedge> I think that worked aftertaf.
[02:45] <aftertaf> eedge> hehe :)
[02:45] <eedge> I'm apt-get upgrade'ing now.
[02:45] <aftertaf> eedge> ok; now run install ubuntu-desktop first
[02:45] <john__> lars..
[02:46] <aftertaf> eedge> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop.
[02:46] <eedge> why run install ubuntu-desktop? what will that do?
[02:46] <leagris> or someone can tell me his good working experience with Ubuntu using an SATA DVD Burner, telling what SATA controler and what brand of SATA DVD burner they use ?
[02:46] <aftertaf> eedge> ensure al is well before upgrading.
[02:46] <leagris> where is a good place to get some help about libata SATA NULL pointer refernce crash in ubuntu ?
[02:46] <brenner> K_Dallas: *nod* looks like it's 2.0
[02:46] <augustin> nobody knows an IRC channel where i could get help for my WiFI ? (not Ubuntu specific)
[02:47] <K_Dallas> brenner, ok. so would the deb packages from debian work on ubuntu?
[02:47] <leagris> Is there a QA bugzilla for Ubuntu ?
[02:48] <brenner> K_Dallas: afaik, it's a bad idea to use debian packages
[02:48] <K_Dallas> :(
[02:48] <eedge> I get lots of errors with install ubuntu-desktop: like this W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net_dists_hoary-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[02:48] <Mez> eedge: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add a # before a line that says anything to do with backports before
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> eedge: remove mirrormax from oyru soruces
[02:49] <eedge> probably to do with the fact that I changed my sources.list to the one on ubuntu guide?
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> as of 2 or 3 months ago IIRC
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep
[02:49] <john__> How do I do to setup a splaschimage in breezi for grub?
[02:49] <brenner> K_Dallas: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16879&highlight=tetex3
[02:49] <DShepherd> eedge: dont use ubuntuguide
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> eedge: you on breeezy or Hoary?
[02:49] <leagris> eedge, that tells you the files or directory is no longer available on the server repository. Search for a new repository and delete this one
[02:49] <eedge> hoary.
[02:49] <brenner> K_Dallas: it looks like it's still experimental?  up to you to risk it
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> eedge: backports are on the offical server now
[02:50] <eedge> hmm.. whats the easiest way to fix my sources.list then?
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> eedge: 'gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> then remove the lines for backports
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> then dist-upgrade
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> then add in new lines pointing at the offical mirrors
[02:50] <K_Dallas> brenner, i used it on sarge without any problems so it seemd to me to be pretty stable
[02:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> never have backports enabled while dist-upgrading
[02:51] <eedge> eeek
[02:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:51] <Ng> or generally ever, if you can help it
[02:51] <bolrod> hohoho!!!!  this computer is going nuts
[02:51] <bolrod> :/
[02:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[02:52] <bolrod> its using like ... swap space
[02:52] <bolrod> while there is RAM free
[02:52] <bolrod> :/
[02:52] <bolrod> then
[02:52] <bolrod> Xorg was using 1200MB of VIRTUAL memory
[02:52] <bolrod> O_O
[02:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> bolrod: relax re swap
[02:52] <bolrod> I think that is not quite good...
[02:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's all good TM
[02:52] <leagris> Is there any bugilla or QA like for ubuntu I may search an post about libata SATA Kernel crash bug ?
[02:52] <brenner> K_Dallas: well give it a try if your willing....like i said, iirc, using most debian packages on ubuntu is a bad idea, there are exceptions though where it's safe....i'm not sure if tetex3 would fall under that
[02:52] <aftertaf> K_Dallas> sarge == debian... ubuntu isnt debian
[02:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> as for virtual memory, that's shared memory no?
[02:53] <eedge> I just disabled backports.. I think ;).. what now?
[02:53] <K_Dallas> aftertaf, well i know that. didnt i say it?
[02:53] <DShepherd> eedge: dont use ubuntuguide.org. it break stuff
[02:53] <aftertaf> eedge> pm?
[02:53] <DShepherd> breaks*
[02:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> eedge: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:53] <bolrod> Kamping_Kaiser: in top  it was 1200 MB under VIRT
[02:53] <bolrod> ALL the swap space was used
[02:54] <bolrod> (300 MB)
[02:54] <bolrod> + alot of the RAM
[02:54] <bolrod> (1GB)
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> bolrod: :)
[02:54] <johnny_> hey guys got a problem.
[02:54] <johnny_> my name i use in here seems to already be logged in but i registered it.
[02:54] <johnny_> anyway i can take it over?
[02:54] <aftertaf> K_Dallas> hehe ok. didnt see... but still..dont do it!! (tm)
[02:54] <bolrod>  /msg nickserv hepl
[02:54] <K_Dallas> well i wont then, thanks
[02:54] <bolrod>  /msg nickserv help
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> have to ask nickserver about that johnny_
[02:55] <bolrod> ghost
[02:55] <K_Dallas> is there a place to see which packages the developing people are working on?
[02:55] <mike_> exit
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> bolrod: ok, that's a lot of RAM ;)
[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> K_Dallas: ask the motus, they would know
[02:56] <K_Dallas> and Q: does the default installation uses jack and jackd + alsa?
[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> as tex is a universe package
[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> no i don't think so
[02:56] <K_Dallas> Kamping_Kaiser, motus?
[02:56] <K_Dallas> ok
[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> MOTU's
[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> try #ubuntu-motu IIRC
[02:56] <aftertaf> he man :)
[02:56] <K_Dallas> :)
[02:56] <K_Dallas> thanks
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:57] <sexcopter8000m> what is a motu?
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> sexcopter8000m: a Master Of The Universe
[02:57] <sexcopter8000m> ahh, kk :)
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> they do the packages in ubuntu universe repositories
[02:58] <necator> ok thats better.
[02:58] <necator> im trying out kde today! looks alot different then what was on here before.
[02:58] <necator> pretty cool you can change entire desktops like that. nice feature
[02:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> necator: like what? ;)
[02:58] <aftertaf> hehe necator kde roxs
[02:59] <bolrod> kde looks childish
[02:59] <aftertaf> !start a desktop war
[02:59] <ubotu> blackbox is much better than xfce!
[02:59] <K_Dallas> lol
[02:59] <bolrod> :)
[02:59] <necator> aftertaf its way different then the previous one tho so im lost all over again =( being a noob is so hard
[02:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> !botsnack
[02:59] <K_Dallas> why not ion3 then ;)
[02:59] <ubotu> :)
[02:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:59] <aftertaf> e17 is the only real way
[02:59] <nekostar> :/
[02:59] <bolrod> what about fluxbox
[02:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. reminds me, i was going to get E
[02:59] <Rockett18> or openbox
[03:00] <bolrod> is there a package to install e17 then?
[03:00] <aftertaf> lol Kamping_Kaiser
[03:00] <necator> whats e17?
[03:00] <aftertaf> !e17
[03:00] <bolrod> !ha
[03:00] <ubotu> bolrod: Are you smoking crack?
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> bolrod: not yet
[03:00] <bolrod> :)
[03:00] <necator> !e17
[03:00] <aftertaf> ://www.soulmachine.net/wiki/index.php?title=Enlightenment_on_Ubuntu_5.10_%28Breezy_Badger%29
[03:00] <K_Dallas> entertainment tonight 17:00 edition ;)
[03:00] <aftertaf> doh.......
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> necator: e16+1 ;)
[03:00] <sexcopter8000m> i want to remove evolution, and if i opt to remove it in synaptic, it says it has to remove ubuntu-desktop too. is that safe (isn't ubuntu-desktop just a meta-package?)
[03:00] <leagris> If I find bugs in ubuntu. What is the place to deal with it ?
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> sexcopter8000m: it's ok untill you want to upgrade to the next version
[03:01] <K_Dallas> sexcopter8000m, most probably
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> leagris: bugzilla or malone (launchpad)
[03:01] <K_Dallas> they usually refer to dummy packages ;)
[03:01] <sexcopter8000m> Kamping_Kaiser, that's ok, i tend to prefer the reinstall option :)
[03:01] <nekostar> there is sort of a thing
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok sexcopter8000m:)
[03:02] <aftertaf> !e17
[03:02] <leagris> kafeine, do you know the URL for ubuntu QA ?
[03:02] <aftertaf> why doesnt ubotu post here?
[03:02] <aftertaf> [e17]  the Development Release of a next generation enlightenment http://www.enlightenment.org or http://www.rasterman.com, http://www.get-e.org or http://www.edevelop.org Install HOWTO at: http://www.gawth.org/?id=lin  BREEZY repositories at : http://www.soulmachine.net/wiki/index.php?title=Enlightenment_on_Ubuntu_5.10_%28Breezy_Badger%29
[03:02] <leagris> Kamping_Kaiser, any URL for the ubuntu bugzilla ?
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:03] <bolrod> I'll wait for the final package
[03:03] <bolrod> :)
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:03] <brenner> aftertaf: to avoid flooding...i guess there's a char limit
[03:03] <aftertaf> brenner> hehe ok.
[03:04] <DShepherd> is aftertaf a bot?
[03:04] <leagris> thank you very much Kamping_Kaiser
[03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> leagris: no worries
[03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> DShepherd: LMAO!!!!!
[03:04] <aftertaf> lol DShepherd nope
[03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> ahhahaaa
[03:04] <aftertaf> kk me too man :D
[03:05] <brenner> aftertaf: botsnack
[03:05] <aftertaf> :)
[03:05] <aftertaf> thanks brenner
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:05] <brenner> i guess he is then
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:05] <DShepherd> DShepherd: ok. srry :)
[03:05] <brenner> he ate it
[03:05] <Earthen> I need some help with setting up Ubuntu on a new computer with a ATI X800 video card
[03:05] <X3rxes> I am your friend.
[03:05] <DShepherd> aftertaf: srry man
[03:05] <bolrod> X3rxes: you sh00r?
[03:05] <brenner> X3rxes: can i have $5 then?
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> DShepherd: ubotu is the bot
[03:06] <aftertaf> DShepherd> looooool no probs at all :) LMAO too
[03:06] <X3rxes> Sorry.
[03:06] <X3rxes> I hate you all!
[03:06] <X3rxes> ;p
[03:06] <bolrod> k
[03:06] <bolrod> thats better
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> tahts ok X3rxes
[03:06] <X3rxes> )
[03:06] <X3rxes> ;)
[03:06] <DShepherd> Kamping_Kaiser: I know about ubotu
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> DShepherd: cool.
[03:06] <brenner> Earthen: what problems you having?
[03:06] <odie5533> !tell X3rxes about ubuntu
[03:07] <X3rxes> no
[03:07] <X3rxes> I want to tell him about unbuntu
[03:07] <X3rxes> ubuntu*
[03:07] <bolrod> !tell me about ubuntu
[03:07] <X3rxes> :(
[03:07] <bolrod> :)
[03:07] <Earthen> brenner: will gnome will not start or xorg I guess
[03:07] <X3rxes> no !tell me
[03:07] <DShepherd> aftertaf: its just you did that you posted about e17. I was quite verbose..Looked very bot like
[03:07] <stelki> !tell me about ubuntu
[03:07] <X3rxes> cool
[03:07] <aftertaf> DShepherd> cos i pasted what ubotu said about it cos he didnt say it here :)
[03:07] <X3rxes> ubuntu everyones friend? :)
[03:08] <DShepherd> aftertaf: ok.
[03:08] <brenner> Earthen: [1]  use the vesa driver, that should let you use X then [2]  read the xorg log, looking for errors
[03:08] <aftertaf> !tell Kamping_Kaiser about e17breezy
[03:08] <Earthen> brenner: I was trying to impress a friend with ubuntu trying to covert him to it from Windows I may have faileed LOL
[03:08] <X3rxes> meh
[03:08] <X3rxes> you are nota l33t h4x0r?
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: :P
[03:08] <Earthen> brenner: how do I switch to the vesa driver
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> what about on dapper :P
[03:09] <brenner> Earthen: heh....you'll get him eventually
[03:09] <brenner> Earthen: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg
[03:09] <brenner> whoops
[03:09] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser> nope... E18 will be out for randy rottweiler though ;)
[03:09] <brenner> Earthen: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: lol
[03:09] <Earthen> brenner: I reall cocky I have a ato9700 pro everything worked fine right from the get go  so I though it would work for him also
[03:09] <bolrod> wtf is the difference between dapper breezy and stuff
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> bolrod: dapper is version 6.04
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> Breezy 5.10
[03:10] <odie5533> !tell bolrod about dapper
[03:10] <brenner> Earthen: then scroll down to the "Device" section, and change the driver from whatever it is to "vesa"
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> and Hoary 5.04
[03:10] <Earthen> brenner: YEH THAT THE XORG CONFID FILE BUT WHAT DO i PUT IN THE FOR THE VIDEO DRIVER
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> Warty was 4.10
[03:10] <leagris> Kamping_Kaiser, I fount several bugs related to SATA ATAPI CDROMS and burners pending. It appear I can hope for the next kernel 2.6.13 to fix most of them. Bugzilla is a good place to look at when wierd things happens :)
[03:10] <Earthen> brenner: sorry caps lock
[03:10] <odie5533> 4.10 5.04 5.10 6.04
[03:10] <brenner> Earthen: no need to shout. :)
[03:10] <timmow> Earthen: sed 's/ati/vesa/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf -i
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> leagris: sure is :)
[03:11] <bolrod> k :)
[03:11] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  Is there audio/video of Ubuntu Below Zero available online?
[03:11] <brenner> timmow: heh.
[03:11] <Earthen> brenner: I gotta write this down cause his compute is next door
[03:11] <brenner> Earthen: or what timmow said...he's smarter than me
[03:11] <kamelion> Hello, I just bought a webcam (labtec) and v4l detects it but every time I try to use it linux just freezes, anyone an idea?
[03:11] <Earthen> LOL
[03:12] <Earthen> timmow: is that all i need to run
[03:12] <brenner> Earthen: just use timmow's command, that'll change it for you w/out having to use an editor
[03:12] <timmow> sed and regexps will change your life :)
[03:12] <Earthen> brenner:  that it
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> globbing has started, i havnt got around to sed+real regex yet
[03:13] <brenner> Earthen: yes....then try 'startx' or reboot
[03:14] <musik> doesnt ubuntu have any encrypting gui tool???
[03:14] <Earthen> brenner:  timmow:    Thanks for you help guys I'll run over and see if it works!  LOL
[03:15] <nekostar> well lets try some of these *box wm's
[03:15] <brenner> K_Dallas: how so?  minor visual improvements gnome-wise imo
[03:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/santa_comes_to_town.html lol
[03:15] <musik> is there any gui encrypting tool in ubuntu plz???
[03:15] <K_Dallas> i havent got into gnome yet ;) just boot part
[03:16] <K_Dallas> it seems that it is not recognizing my network card :(
[03:16] <MarcN> musik: you want to encrypt your gui?
[03:16] <bolrod> :)
[03:16] <doyley> hey's
[03:16] <Seven> MarcN, i believe he meant an encryption tool that has a GUI :)
[03:16] <X3rxes> hi :)
[03:16] <musik> i meant a gui app to encrypt/decrypt things???
[03:17] <doyley> :o its X3rxes
[03:17] <MarcN> Seven: I'm just messing with him. ;-)
[03:17] <X3rxes> :o
[03:17] <Seven> musik, try OpenPGP
[03:17] <X3rxes> Please don't spam.
[03:17] <musik> i encrypted many things in kde with kgpg.cant open them now...
[03:17] <Seven> MarcN, heh :P
[03:17] <musik> Seven, i cant find it in menus...
[03:18] <Seven> musik, you'll probably have to install it
[03:18] <seraph> good evening all
[03:18] <seraph> if I have two hard drives and install ubuntu to the second one, where do I install the partition/boot manager?
[03:18] <MarcN> musik: What happens when you try to decrypt them.  Using gpg?
[03:18] <seraph> grub that is
[03:18] <musik> ok i installed debian menu but i cant see it
[03:18] <MarcN> seraph: the primary disk typically.
[03:18] <seraph> MarcN: but the /boot is on hda2
[03:18] <seraph> that alright?
[03:18] <MarcN> seraph: possible to chain to a grub on a second disk from the NT bootloader, but I never bother with that.
[03:19] <bolrod> yes
[03:19] <bolrod> only
[03:19] <MarcN> seraph: part of grub lives in the MBR and config files are in /boot/grub
[03:19] <musik> MarcN, i dunno commands to decrypt things.onlu gui way
[03:19] <bolrod> if you install grub on primary disk.. you'll have problems if you want to remove linux
[03:19] <bolrod> you have to fix the MBR.. at least.. I had to do
[03:19] <defcon8_> musik, gpg
[03:19] <bolrod> with the xp or something cd-rom
[03:20] <kynes> how can I redirect stderr output to a file?
[03:20] <Micksa> dammit, why is breezy's grep so arse slow?
[03:20] <MarcN> musik: perhaps it is time to learn about the command line tools.
[03:20] <DShepherd> bolrod: yup that's right
[03:20] <seraph> aight
[03:20] <bolrod> :)
[03:20] <MarcN> kynes:   ls > this-is-stdout >2 this-is-stderr
[03:20] <DShepherd> has anyone ever installed grub on the secondary harddrive and it worked?
[03:20] <kynes> thank marcN