[12:18] <Tm_T> ehh
[12:18] <Tm_T> kate crashes when I click the text
[12:19] <Tm_T> has something to do with that line hinting
[12:21] <nixternal> 3.5.5 ey?
[12:22] <Tm_T> yes
[12:22] <nixternal> ya, i think tonio has a fix ready for it
[12:22] <Tm_T> ah I see
[12:23] <Tm_T> weird that didn't happen before I started play with colours
[12:23] <nixternal> ya, he warned before upgrading yesterday..that is how i knew the kde version
[12:24] <Tm_T> =)
[12:29] <sebas> Tm_T: Did you make a package of serenity?
[12:29] <Tm_T> sebas: nope
[12:29] <sebas> Bummer :)
[12:30] <Tm_T> sebas: why you ask? afraid to compile/make package yourself?
[12:30] <sebas> Exactly
[12:30] <sebas> I feel that I've screwed enough already
[12:30] <Tm_T> I could do package for some testers but no way I take any responsibility of it =)
[12:30] <sebas> Things kinda work now
[12:30] <sebas> I would blame someone else if you do, deal? :)
[12:30] <Tm_T> =)
[12:31] <Tm_T> sebas: just compile and install it, it's plain simple
[12:31] <sebas> I've probably all the -dev crap installed anyway, yes.
[12:34] <gnomefreak> imbrandon_: seems to work here i removed and installed k-d-s and ran sudo update-initramfs -u and still have ubuntu splash
[12:35] <nixternal> heh, you know what i find annoying...the fact my monitor goes into power saving mode, and my screensaver starts...and both of these are unchecked, so that they don't happen
[12:35] <sebas> nixternal: Might be my fault.
[12:35] <nixternal> it has been doing it since the first day i downloaded edgy..well the screensaver just started ;)
[12:36] <nixternal> i don't know why it is annoying...as it happens when i am using the other computrer anyways ;)
[12:37] <sebas> displayconfig might manipulate your dpms setting.
[12:38] <sebas> It does not touch the screensaver, however.
[12:38] <sebas> That could be powermanager doing so
[12:38] <sebas> ~/.kde/share/config/displayconfigrc
[12:38] <sebas> Is there something DPMS related in there?
[12:38] <nixternal> lemme look
[12:39] <nixternal> dpmsEnabled=off
[12:39] <nixternal> dpmsSeconds=18000
[12:39] <sebas> Hm, that looks fine.
[12:40] <nixternal> 18000 = 5 hours...which is what displayconfig shows, and it is off there, but it still shuts the monitor down
[12:40] <sebas> Can you check the actual dpms setting with xset ?
[12:40] <sebas> xset q
[12:41] <nixternal> DPMS (Energy Star):
[12:41] <nixternal>   Standby: 30928    Suspend: 30928    Off: 30928
[12:41] <nixternal>   DPMS is Disabled
[12:42] <sebas> Looks sane from a "bug in displayconfig" point of view.
[12:42] <sebas> Does displayconfig-restore switch on dpms?
[12:42] <nixternal> i wonder if it is a bug, or if during an upgrade something went silly
[12:42] <nixternal> hmm..let me try
[12:42] <sebas> (It should not with your settings)
[12:43] <nixternal> no, it didn't change it
[12:43] <sebas> Hm, good.
[12:43] <sebas> Then it's probably something else
[12:44] <sebas> In the meantime I've had a look at powermanager, I don't think it switches on kscreensaver
[12:44] <sebas> it only sets it to blankonly when on battery
[12:44] <nixternal> ya, i just got a great white X on a blacked out background
[12:44] <sebas> Ouch.
[01:22] <nixternal> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/tmp/x.jpg
[01:22] <nixternal> it isn't a screensaver..i thought it was
[01:23] <nixternal> it is a broken something or other ;)
[01:32] <claydoh> sweet, never considered putting stickers on my monitor, now I have a spot for mine :)
[01:33] <nixternal> lol
[01:34] <nixternal> i guess you are anti-gotta-make-some-money
[01:34] <nixternal> ;)
[01:34] <claydoh> no
[01:34] <claydoh> just don't like stickers on stuff mostly :)
[01:34] <claydoh> the mrs on the other hand....
[01:35] <nixternal> ya me either..but stickers on my puters, monitors, and lappies are a must...its my way of advertising
[01:35] <claydoh> bumper stickers, window decals, vanity plates, door magnets
[01:35] <nixternal> lol
[01:36] <claydoh> well if i had a lappy, id probably put one, not too big or not too small
[01:36] <nixternal> bumper stickers on the bumpter == no for me..but a small decal  for the window i will do
[01:37] <claydoh> but she is advertizing dog agility and flyball, so I have to deal with the dog-mobile
[01:37] <nixternal> heh...gnome is junk...i am copying over some files, from ~/downloads to ~/downloads/tmp using the File Browser, and it crashes...the Bug Reporting Tool, aka Bug Buddy pops up for DC/DVD Copying
[01:38] <claydoh> heh
[01:38] <claydoh> I have not installed gnome in a while
[01:39] <Tm_T> hmm
[01:39] <nixternal> no wonder gnome has more "bug duplication" than anyother bug monitoring suite...you fill out that info and it creates a bug report
[01:40] <nixternal> well...i am running edubuntu on another setup for testing as well
[01:40] <nixternal> edubuntu should be KDE anyways
[01:40] <nixternal> more than 75% of the packages are KDE Edu i think
[01:53] <orkid__> flyball?
[02:16] <claydoh> orkid__: http://www.flyballdogs.com/, and the team: http://www.flyballdogs.com/flyball_maineiacs/
[02:22] <orkid__> ic
[02:36] <claydoh> ooooh
[07:29] <nixternal> konversation 1.0.1 is out - bug fixer upper
[07:42] <Hobbsee> hey all
[07:44] <orkid__> hi
[08:33] <sivang> morning all
[08:33] <DaSkreech> hi
[08:34] <freeflying> sivang: hey
[08:34] <sivang> hey dudes
[08:35] <DaSkreech> sivang: Have I met you before?
[08:36] <sivang> DaSkreech: I'm not sure, do you recall where? :)
[08:36] <DaSkreech> Here? :)
[08:38] <sivang> DaSkreech: probably, but I've only been logged in the channel for long recently, I'm exploting the Kubuntu grounds ;)
[08:38] <DaSkreech> Is that like postploting? :)
[08:39] <Hobbsee> hey sivang
[08:40] <sivang> hi Hobbsee !
[08:40] <sivang> DaSkreech: I would know, if I had known what postploting is :-)
[08:41] <sivang> ah crap, right
[08:41] <sivang> "I'm *Exploring* Kubuntu grounds"
[08:41] <sivang> DaSkreech: ^^
[08:41] <sivang> :)
[08:41] <DaSkreech> Ahhhh :)
[08:41] <DaSkreech> Welkome.
[08:42] <DaSkreech> Edgy?
[08:43] <DaSkreech> Mann no Kiwii
[08:43] <DaSkreech> He almost got one of my friends (who is a Kard karrying KDE hater) tio use Kubuntu
[08:45] <sivang> DaSkreech: who did?
[08:45] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Is there a plan to have systemm mesages show(able) for the new splash
[08:46] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: no idea.  i think the plan is to have it quiet
[08:46] <DaSkreech> sivang: Ken He's doing the artwork for the new Kubuntu
[08:46] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: It's distracting :(
[08:47] <DaSkreech> I find myself staring at it every time wondering if something is going to fail or wondering if it has failed arleady
[08:49] <sivang> DaSkreech: ah right, Ken, I met him over the last UDS :)
[08:49] <DaSkreech> Mucho respect for him :)
[08:51] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Well guess I'll register a mild protest Monday
[08:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:51] <Hobbsee> s/it/in
[08:56] <DaSkreech> Which fix?
[08:59] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: the bug makes all toshiba notebooks unbootable in normal mode from the -8 and up kernels.
[08:59] <DaSkreech> Ah A big with pinchers
[09:01] <mhb> morning
[09:01] <DaSkreech> Bug even
[09:05] <Hobbsee> hey mhb
[09:06] <DaSkreech> Why isn't Xen in Edgy?
[09:06] <Hobbsee> it should be there
[09:06] <Hobbsee> !find xen edgy
[09:06] <ubotu> Found: gtk-engines-xenophilia, libc6-xen, libexene-smlnj, libjaxen-java, libroxen-123session (and 107 others)
[09:06] <Hobbsee> !xen
[09:06] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[09:07] <DaSkreech> Oh I menat on by default
[09:07] <Hobbsee> it's there
[09:07] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: think about it.
[09:07] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: cd space
[09:07] <Hobbsee> for a start
[09:07] <DaSkreech> Right one Cd Distro :-(
[09:07] <DaSkreech> Knoppix has been cussing about that since pre 4.0 :)
[09:08] <mhb> there's a installation dvd as well, isn't it?
[09:09] <imbrandon> mhb, sure but its the same install as the cd ( just has a few extra packages on the dvd but not installed )
[09:09] <DaSkreech> Yeah but not all people have a DVD
[09:10] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, that is a weak argument, the lowend systems ( less than $500 ) sold 3 years ago have dvd players
[09:10] <imbrandon> bah
[09:22] <mhb> hmm, upgrading Dapper->Edgy is still a pain :oI
[09:25] <freeflying> mhb: why?
[09:28] <Hobbsee> mhb: hehe, thought it might be.  what are the errors?
[09:31] <mhb> some locale trouble, then krita needed a krita-base package which wasn't installed, then /etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3rc was created in Dapper by a script and in Edgy it's provided in the package (or so the apt said)
[09:31] <mhb> I'm still waiting for the kubuntu-desktop to install :o) it takes more time in a VM
[09:46] <Hobbsee> gah.
[09:46] <Hobbsee> my laptop's hitting 75C and i'm just browsing the web!
[11:04] <Riddell> _Sime: do it!
[11:14] <sivang> hey Riddell , what's up?
[11:16] <imbrandon> woot , http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25950/
[11:18] <_Sime> Riddell: are the nVidia drivers in order in edgy?
[11:26] <Riddell> _Sime: no idea I'm afraid
[11:26] <Riddell> sivang: we're just trying to wake sladen up to get him to meeting on tim
[11:26] <Riddell> time
[11:28] <_Sime> Riddell: I might upgrade sometime this week while I'm at work, and when Debbie doesn't need anything being served from my computer...
[11:33] <sivang> Riddell: heh
[11:33] <sivang> Riddell: kubuntu meetin I suppose?
[11:40] <freeflying> Riddell: I can't reproduce a bug, and many others can't too, shall I reject it, but the reporter insist that he can reproduce
[11:42] <\sh> freeflying: which one? :)
[11:43] <freeflying> \sh: malone #35760
[11:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35760 in scim-qtimm "Only 1 konsole session with transparency" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35760
[11:47] <mhb> freeflying: that means there is something he forgot to mention
[11:47] <mhb> freeflying: IMHo
[11:49] <freeflying> seems \sh use de's locale
[11:49] <freeflying> \sh: do you use de's locale?
[11:49] <\sh> or his default profile is not set to transparent and his settings are not working
[11:49] <\sh> I'll try to reproduce
[11:49] <freeflying> \sh: thanks
[11:51] <freeflying> sorry, that guy use da_DK, so anyone here use this? thanks
[11:52] <mhb> freeflying: it's not that hard to install it, is it?
[11:53] <freeflying> mhb: sure  :)
[11:54] <mhb> freeflying: I'll take a look
[11:55] <\sh> hmmm
[11:55] <freeflying> mhb: thanks
[11:56] <\sh> hmmm
[11:56] <\sh> I set one scheme to transparent
[11:56] <\sh> saved it as "shell" default (which is my default)
[11:56] <\sh> restared console, first shell is transparent, second is black
[11:57] <mhb> same by me
[11:57] <freeflying> \sh: actrually, when he use da_DK locale, scim stuffs will not be loaded
[11:57] <mhb> first one transparent, second one black
[11:57] <Tm_T> mooh, also, if you start konsole, tabbar isn't showing even when it's set to
[11:57] <\sh> freeflying: i think for de_DE it won't be loaded as well
[11:57] <Tm_T> until you play back and forth those settings
[11:58] <\sh> freeflying: at least I don't see any scim/skim icon in my panel
[11:58] <freeflying> \sh: sure :)
[11:59] <\sh> I think it's more a konsole bug then scim/skim foo
[12:33] <silver_hook> Hi, I have a slight problem - I need to know (for an article in TUX) how to install Kopete 0.12.1 (or newer) in Kubuntu with Adept ...and I'm a Gentoo user (and they don't want to hear about compiling :P)
[12:38] <fdoving> silver_hook: hmm.. there is http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kopete/  but i think it's 0.12.0
[12:40] <fdoving> hah. found it. imbrandon made some dapper packages.
[12:40] <fdoving> http://imbrandon.com/packages/pool/dapper/kopete/
[12:41] <silver_hook> fdoving: thanks :)
[12:42] <silver_hook> Is this then done in Adapt? The TUX editors are awfully strict when it comes to complete noobie-friendliness :S
[12:42] <fdoving> ok, hang on then.
[12:42] <fdoving> i'll explain how i would do it.
[12:43] <silver_hook> thanks :)
[12:51] <mhb> Is a question from apt-get while upgrading considered as a bug?
[12:51] <Jucato> mhb: depends on what question, I guess?
[12:52] <mhb> apt-get says during Dapper->Edgy upgrade that the file /etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3rc was created by a script (or by me) but is present in package libqt3-mt so it expects me to choose an action
[12:52] <mhb> if I did that through Adept that would mean the installation would stop
[12:53] <mhb> and you would have to then open "Show Details" and choose (N is without problems here)
[12:53] <Jucato> mhb: not really. it would just "seem" to stop, but if you click on "Show Details" you'll see the same prompt/question
[12:53] <Jucato> er... yeah :)
[12:53] <fdoving> silver_hook: ok, open adept manager (kmenu -> system -> adept manager)
[12:53] <Jucato> it's the same as Synaptic, though
[12:54] <mhb> Jucato: yep, but do you think we cannot avoid it by "fixing" the file in the package ?
[12:55] <fdoving> silver_hook: actually, you might be better off with this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:55] <silver_hook> fdoving: you just keep talking - i'm on Gentoo, I just need to know and write how to do it :S
[12:55] <silver_hook> fdoving: thanks, will do :)
[12:55] <fdoving> silver_hook: or, rarther https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu#head-9a7a4519857af012ff775e9c0f15fbce60173676
[12:55] <Jucato> mhb: I wouldn't really know. There are times when APT really needs to asks questions, like when kdm is being upgraded. I don't think "fixing" would be appropriate in that sense
[12:56] <fdoving> silver_hook: just replace "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main" with "deb http://imbrandon.com/packages dapper kopete"
[12:56] <silver_hook> fdoving: thanks again :)
[12:56] <fdoving> silver_hook: that should be about it.
[12:57] <mhb> Jucato: yes, the bad thing is that the user won't notice it until he opens the details
[12:57] <Jucato> mhb: yeah. it's the same with Synaptic actually
[12:57] <Jucato> I think a better solution would probably to have Adept automatically show the details when user confirmation is needed.
[01:00] <mhb> Jucato: keeping the old configuration file won't do any harm either (in this case)
[01:03] <fdoving> hmm.. adept -> manage repositories doesnt't work on edgy..
[01:03] <mhb> fdoving: sadly
[01:04] <fdoving> that's a regression from dapper.
[01:04] <mhb> fdoving: kde 133388
[01:04] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 133388 in general "Manage Repositories is disabled" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133388
[01:04] <Jucato> regression from dapper?
[01:04] <fdoving> i found it.
[01:05] <mhb> fdoving: IIRC Jonathan said he'll look at it
[01:06] <fdoving> good.. i'm getting nervous about this..  :|
[01:07] <fdoving> prism2_usb module missing, adept manage repositores doesn't work, apt-index-watcher eats 100% cpu sometimes.. etc.
[01:08] <Jucato> fdoving: still loving adept? :)
[01:08] <Jucato> but seriously, adept really needs *a lot* of loving
[01:08] <fdoving> Jucato: i (almost) never use it.
[01:08] <Jucato> ok, s/love/like
[01:08] <mhb> Jucato: +1 and I think everyone know that :o)
[01:08] <fdoving> i've used apt-get for almost 5 years, can't even get myself to start using aptitude.
[01:09] <Jucato> heh
[01:27] <Hobbsee> mhb: kubuntu finished installing yet?
[01:28] <mhb> Hobbsee: yes, in a way
[01:28] <Hobbsee> mhb: how much damage?
[01:28] <mhb> Hobbsee: I upgraded and added kubuntu-desktop
[01:29] <Hobbsee> mhb: right, yep
[01:29] <mhb> Hobbsee: then I restarted and now I'm left with a black screen when X should start
[01:29] <Hobbsee> mhb: what brand is the laptop?
[01:29] <mhb> Hobbsee: it's a virtual machine
[01:29] <Hobbsee> true that
[01:31] <Hobbsee> mhb: boot in it's recovery mode, and grab /var/log/syslog?
[01:31] <Hobbsee> and pastebin it somewhere?
[01:31] <mhb> Hobbsee: right away
[01:31] <Hobbsee> mhb: sounds good
[01:33] <mhb> hmm, recovery mode booted fine, seems it's some X trouble
[01:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ping?
[01:34] <Jucato> Hobbsee: pong
[01:34] <Hobbsee> Jucato: type /sysinfo ?
[01:34] <Jucato> Sysinfo for 'ark': Linux 2.6.15-27-k7 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: AMD Sempron 2200+ at 1500 MHz (3003 bogomips), HD: 26/73GB, RAM: 577/1010MB, 114 proc's, 1.29h up
[01:34] <Jucato> I'm on Dapper
[01:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: how do you feel like testing 3.5.5 for us?  on dapper?
[01:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i think you're the first dapper tester we've got for this
[01:35] <Jucato> er... right now?
[01:35] <Jucato> I'd hate to turn you down... but probably tomorrow afternoon?
[01:36] <Hobbsee> Jucato: want to add "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ dapper main" to your sources list, so that you can get it the next time you update anyway?
[01:36] <Hobbsee> that way neither you or i cant forget :)
[01:36] <Hobbsee> s/cant/can/
[01:36] <Jucato> don't worry, I have really planned to try out 3.5.5
[01:36] <mhb> Hobbsee: ultra-weird, booted fine with recovery mode, even "kdm" worked
[01:37] <Jucato> (actually to use it only after it's been announced, but what the heck :P)
[01:37] <Hobbsee> mhb: pastebin the dodgy syslog somewhere :)
[01:37] <Jucato> !pastebin
[01:37] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:38] <Hobbsee> Jucato: testing asap so we find the bugs quickly before the official release of it would be good.  we've already found some in the edgy edition
[01:38] <Hobbsee> Jucato: and you're one of the few people who are still running dapper regularly in here. :)
[01:39] <Jucato> hah!
[01:39] <Hobbsee> i'm serious :)
[01:39] <Jucato> well, it's not as if you're going to fix it if there are bugs :P
[01:40] <Jucato> j/k of course
[01:40] <Jucato> yes I'll definitely try it out tomorrow. right now, my sister is bugging me on transferring her files from my PC to her laptop...
[01:40] <Jucato> and I have no idea how to do it...
[01:40] <Hobbsee> okay.  you might want to add the repo now anyway
[01:40] <Jucato> (she's on XP)
[01:41] <Hobbsee> er....good point
[01:41] <Hobbsee> you'll have to share your drive, then access it from hers
[01:41] <Hobbsee> oh, wait.  you can share hers via samba
[01:41] <Hobbsee> Jucato: and then just copy the files over
[01:41] <Hobbsee> as long as you dont try to modify them, iirc
[01:41] <Jucato> Hobbsee: the files are quite huge....
[01:42] <Jucato> it stalls when I'm copying
[01:42] <Hobbsee> Jucato: idiot question warning:  there's enough space?  and are you trying to copy via wifi or wired?
[01:42] <Hobbsee> ie, ethernet or something?
[01:43] <Jucato> Hobbsee: wired ethernet 10/100mbps. of course there's enough space (brand new laptop :P)
[01:44] <Jucato> I'm a complete networking noob so I don't know if I'm doing things right anyway lol
[01:44] <Hobbsee> weird, i wonder why they freeze...
[01:44] <Jucato> Hobbsee: what's the ethernet speed?
[01:45] <Jucato> silver_hook: could you please turn off the /away message?
[01:45] <Hobbsee> Jucato: dont remember.  something like that
[01:45] <Jucato> er... ok... well, my situation is a bit more complicated than it seems..
[01:45] <mhb> Hobbsee: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25964/ current syslog
[01:45] <Jucato> XP is connected to Linux via just a multi-port modem (not sure if it's a router), using IP masquerading
[01:50] <Hobbsee> mhb: hmmm.  i dont know sorry.  i'm not good at reading them
[01:55] <silver_hook> Jucato: sorry, didn't know it was against chan policy
[01:55] <Jucato> I thought you got fdoving's message earlier.
[01:55] <Jucato> !away
[01:55] <ubotu> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[01:57] <Hobbsee> silver_hook: it is amongst all *ubuntu* related channels :)
[01:57] <silver_hook> Hobbsee: not being an ubuntu user, i wouldn't know ..but still, sorry , won't happen again
[01:57] <Jucato> :)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> silver_hook: ahhhhhh :)  where do you fit?
[01:57] <silver_hook> gentoo
[01:58] <Hobbsee> right :)
[01:58] <silver_hook> i'm on ubuntu because of "official" business ;)
[01:58] <silver_hook> hehe
[01:58] <Jucato> TUX business
[01:58] <Hobbsee> silver_hook: ooh.  can i ask what sort?
[01:58] <Jucato> er.. noobish question... how can I know the local IP of my Linux box? (trying vsftpd)
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ifconfig, usually
[01:59] <silver_hook> yea, not only do the favour KDE (which i'm ok with), but also Ubuntu ...so I have to write in my articles how to install stuff in ubuntu ..i'm having problems with telling them how to install kopete-0.12.1
[01:59] <silver_hook> anyway ..i'm off ironing for an hour or so
[02:00] <Jucato> Hobbsee: which one? eth0's entry is indecipherable, lo is <IP_ADDRESS>, and ppp0 changes everytime I reconnect/reboot
[02:01] <Hobbsee> silver_hook: in dapper?  enable the backports.
[02:01] <Hobbsee> in edgy, kopete 0.12.2 is there
[02:01] <Jucato> Hobbsee: err.. not yet
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahh.
[02:02] <Jucato> you better poke someone :P
[02:03] <Hobbsee> silver_hook: say "backports is still a work in progress.  that's where the updated packages are, but they arent supported by cannonical, the same way that main or universe is.  the latest is in edgy.  0.12.3 doesnt contain security fixes, and those are the only things being updated in dapper apart from backports"
[02:03] <Hobbsee> or something to that effect
[02:03] <Hobbsee> bug 64225
[02:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64225 in f-spot "F-spot" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64225
[02:04] <mhb> sorry, I had a little accident here :o)
[02:06] <mhb> I'll come back later when my laptop is available again ... cya
[02:06] <silver_hook> Hobbsee: don't worry ..imbrandon's on the case
[02:06] <Hobbsee> silver_hook: ahh, right, so i wont do the yelling.
[02:17] <Hobbsee> !seen jk*
[02:17] <Hobbsee> gah.  what's his nick?
[02:17] <Jucato> ?
[02:19] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i spoke with a guy a couple of weeks or so ago, but lost a lot of my logs
[02:19] <Jucato> oh..
[02:20] <Jucato> Hobbsee: good thing you asked me to test KDE 3.5.5 now. I was planning to reformat :P
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Jucato: :)
[02:21] <Hobbsee> i didnt think it was that unstable, myself
[02:21] <Hobbsee> unlike kde 3.5.0 beta2
[02:21] <Jucato> or as buggy as KDE 3.5.4? :)
[02:22] <Jucato> but I'm not sure if my system is a good testing ground... but then again, the only thing I've installed from source is kdissert :P
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Jucato: heh
[02:23] <Hobbsee> i didnt see too many bugs in 3.5.4
[02:23] <Jucato> kpersonalizer, hal, system settings, anti-aliasing, just to name a few
[02:24] <Jucato> that and you had to actually dist-upgrade rather than just upgrade to 3.5.4?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> you did anyway
[02:24] <Hobbsee> you usually do
[02:24] <Hobbsee> good point
[02:25] <Jucato> well the previous updates didn't need a dist-upgrade. only 3.5.4 because kdelibs4-bin needs to be removed
[02:25] <fdoving> are there ppc debs for 3.5.5 ?
[02:27] <Jucato> oh, where did you guys hide the docs for the "Documentation" tab in Quanta? (PHP, CSS, HTML, DocBook, etc?)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> fdoving: not that i know of.  i'm not sure, to be honest
[02:29] <Jucato> fdoving: seems like there are ppc debs
[02:30] <fdoving> Jucato: nice, then i'll try them, thanks for checking (i'm getting lazy, i know) :)
[02:31] <Jucato> :p
[03:02] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:02] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian
[03:02] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[03:03] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[03:03] <Jucato> ugh this is hopeless!!
[03:04] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[03:38] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: meh, it's now reverted ;)
[03:38] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: hmmm?
[03:39] <Tm_T> that fix I committed
[03:39] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: heh.  ohhh...
[03:39] <Hobbsee> oops
[03:39] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:39] <Hobbsee> i see nwo
[03:39] <Tm_T> oh well, better luck next time =)
[03:39] <Tm_T> more coffee ->
[03:39] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:39] <Hobbsee> heh, okay
[03:40] <Hobbsee> night all!
[03:40] <Jucato> night Hobbsee
[03:47] <Hobbsee> or, almost
[03:47] <Hobbsee> hehe, i'm getting talked to in #kde-devel.  scary
[03:47] <Tm_T> cheater
[03:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:50] <Hobbsee> yeah, well
[03:50] <Hobbsee> they're not telling me off, suprisingly
[04:28] <Jucato> just a question about repositories. if, for example, I have the online repositories enabled and also the cdrom repository enabled, but I don't have an internet connection, will there be some problems or will APT be smart enough to ignore the online repos and install from the cdrom?
[04:30] <Enola_Gay> hi all
[04:31] <Enola_Gay> Is the Firefox 2.0 restore session issue known?
[04:32] <Enola_Gay> Firefox things that every kde session logout was a crash and shows a message on next boot/login if session should restored or a new started.
[04:33] <Enola_Gay> It seems to have problems with the kde session manager.
[04:37] <Jucato> Enola_Gay: I'm not sure but I found this in Launchpad: bug 60147 sounds similar to what you're saying
[04:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60147 in xfce4-session "saved firefox resumes as if crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60147
[04:38] <Hawkwind> Enola_Gay: I can confirm that as well.  It's happened since I installed Edgy in a vmware session and everytime I logout or even shutdown the system with firefox open it does that.  However, it does that using TabMixPlus in firefox <IP_ADDRESS> in Dapper as well
[04:41] <Enola_Gay> Jucato: thx
[04:43] <Enola_Gay> Jucato: yes, you are right, but KDE session manager seems to have the same problem. Should it be reported separately or not?
[04:46] <Hawkwind> Enola_Gay: I just replied to the bug myself.  You should/could do the same thing
[04:57] <Enola_Gay> Hawkwind: ok, added a comment. I think it should be assigned to Firefox instead.
[04:58] <Hawkwind> Enola_Gay: You can assign it to them too if you want
[05:05] <Enola_Gay> Hawkwind: no, it is not my bugreport and maybe the poster doesn't want it. He could do it if he agrees.
[05:27] <Tonio__> hi all
[05:27] <Tonio__> Riddell: ping ?
[05:28] <Jucato> hi Tonio_
[05:29] <Tonio_> hi Jucato
[05:29] <Tonio_> imbrandon: you didn't commit your kds changes in bzr...
[05:29] <Tonio_> imbrandon you really should since your changes will be overwritten by next update
[05:31] <Enola_Gay> ciao
[05:59] <Tm_T> hmm, weird
[05:59] <Tm_T> almost like kdesu was in finnish when all my settings are pointing to en_GB
[06:00] <Tm_T> time to reboot, my bluetooth is gone wild ->
[07:07] <mhb> sebas: I think the bug you mentioned in the ML is the kde 135045 which has been resolved (don't know if somebody told you already)
[07:07] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 135045 in general "Crash on various occasions" [Crash,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135045
[07:44] <Riddell> ton
[07:44] <Riddell>
[07:52] <mhb> quiet here today
[07:57] <Riddell> that's because I hve the worst internet ever
[07:59] <imbrandon> Riddell, heh
[07:59] <mhb> well I spilled water all over my laptop keyboard ... had to dry it all afternoon
[07:59] <mhb> today's a bad day :o)
[08:02] <imbrandon> i got all the cross compilers to work , now i'm working on getting pbuilder to build packages for other arches
[08:03] <imbrandon> i can compile binarys for other arches now , so thats 50% ;)
[08:05] <mhb> Riddell: I wanted to ask you - is a question from apt-get worth reporting/fixing?
[08:05] <Enola_Gay> hi all
[08:05] <Riddell> mhb: depends on what question
[08:05] <Riddell> hi Enola_Gay
[08:05] <Enola_Gay> Multimedia key recognition works great in KDE Edgy
[08:05] <Enola_Gay> hi Riddell
[08:05] <imbrandon> heya Enola_Gay
[08:06] <Riddell> Enola_Gay: excellent to hear, what type of laptop?
[08:06] <imbrandon> Riddell, i thought you had a great connection
[08:06] <Enola_Gay> Don't know how you made this but the play/pause key only starts tracks but not pauses it. It is just cosmetic but it helps a lot with amarok :)
[08:06] <Enola_Gay> hi imbrandon
[08:06] <Enola_Gay> Riddell: Sony TX2
[08:07] <imbrandon> oh wow Riddell i just checked my MM keyboard on the desktop it works now too, no idea when it started but it dident in dapper
[08:07] <Enola_Gay> Stop, Next and Previous work fine and play too but play forgets to pause if a track is played :)
[08:07] <imbrandon> heh
[08:07] <mhb> Riddell: to be exact - a configuration file /etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3rc was generated by script ( = not removed) but the Edgy package includes it ... the "keep the current version" question from apt-get
[08:08] <mhb> Riddell: no trouble pressing Enter and moving on but you know how Adept handles apt-get questions
[08:14] <mhb> Riddell: I guess it depends on how hard it is to "fix" this
[08:16] <Tm_T> this is weird, kdesu is partly finnish
[08:17] <imbrandon> heya el
[08:17] <Riddell> mhb: hmm, I wonder which cript generated that
[08:18] <el> hey imbrandon , hey Riddell
[08:18] <mhb> Riddell: it says either made by a script or modified by me but I obviously didn't modify it (it was a testing installation, I just installed&upgraded)
[08:18] <imbrandon> mhb, yea i noticed that on upgrade too
[08:21] <Enola_Gay> Ok, I have redefined the keycode with xmodmap and call playPause with input actions. Works without problems. :)
[08:22] <Enola_Gay> I would suggest Edgy for LTS :)
[08:24] <mhb> Enola_Gay: rather not :o)
[08:24] <mhb> Enola_Gay: there are edges, even if you don't see them
[08:25] <Enola_Gay> mhb: hm, I have only one annoying bug and if I remember Dapper four weeks before release :)
[08:26] <Enola_Gay> mhb: Dapper still can't scale cpu on many laptops ...
[08:26] <Enola_Gay> But who cares, I love my Edgy ;)
[08:29] <Enola_Gay> and I use only a little part of the whole feature set so there may be huge differences.
[08:46] <Enola_Gay> cu all
[08:46] <imbrandon> Riddell, i do have to say kmail is MUCH more solid in 3.5.5 i havent had one segfault yet ( and it was a normal thing )
[08:47] <imbrandon> any word on the UVF or do we have to wait for mondayish
[08:52] <fdoving> Riddell: any plans on building 3.5.5 for ppc on kubuntu.org ?
[08:53] <imbrandon> fdoving, i have it about 1/2 built on my lappy but i stoped when he said we might get a uvf
[08:54] <fdoving> imbrandon, ah.. ok.
[08:54] <fdoving> i could build on my laptop too. but if we get a uvf it would rock.
[08:55] <imbrandon> yea, thats kinda what i said, becouse i thought i could do it in an afternoon on the laptop but its quite slow
[08:55] <imbrandon> so it took almost 24hours just to do half
[08:55] <imbrandon> heh
[08:56] <imbrandon> thats one reason i'm on my cross-compiler quest
[08:56] <imbrandon> well i got the cross compiler to work , just working on the cross packaging now
[08:56] <fdoving> i just googled 'corosscompiling ppc i386' :)
[08:57] <imbrandon> i can set you up for cross compiling easy, but it wont make deb's just compile/link
[08:57] <imbrandon> etc
[08:57] <imbrandon> that hard part is the cross packaging it seems
[08:57] <fdoving> can't be that hard.
[09:05] <fdoving> imbrandon: what do you use to cross compile?
[09:06] <windshear> anyone also axperience this problem: if I shut down or sestart my pc edgy hangs at the point the progress bar appears
[09:06] <windshear> if i press reset then, the next time it works
[09:07] <windshear> quite strange...
[09:07] <windshear> is there any log?
[09:07] <imbrandon> gcc
[09:07] <imbrandon> one sec
[09:08] <imbrandon> fdoving, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25950/
[09:08] <fdoving> thanks.
[09:09] <imbrandon> windshear, not sure, but you can remove "quite splash" from the kernel options to watch it next time
[09:10] <imbrandon> fdoving, are you on i386 ? i have powerpc gcc packages
[09:10] <imbrandon> and the required deps
[09:10] <fdoving> imbrandon, some info on debian cross-building at the bottom here: http://meltin.net/hacks/linux/crossbuild.html
[09:10] <imbrandon> to save you some compileing , like i said it wont package them ( yet ) but it compiles ;)
[09:10] <fdoving> imbrandon, i have a i386 workstation i would like to make ppc packages on.
[09:12] <imbrandon> fdoving, oh wow, thats got the last step i need in it
[09:12] <fdoving> imbrandon, did you say you have powerpc gcc packages for i386?
[09:13] <imbrandon> fdoving, yes
[09:13] <imbrandon> and the required deps
[09:13] <imbrandon> i just havent setup pbuilder to use those yet
[09:13] <windshear> imbrandon how do i remove the quite splash option?=
[09:13] <fdoving> are they online somehwer?
[09:13] <imbrandon> windshear, edit /boot/grub/menu.list
[09:13] <imbrandon> fdoving, no but i can upload them
[09:13] <windshear> ok, will try
[09:14] <fdoving> imbrandon, would be great :)
[09:14] <imbrandon> fdoving, actualy yea they are online, one sec
[09:15] <imbrandon> fdoving, add "deb http://debian.speedblue.org ./" to sources.list and install "sudo apt-get install gcc-4.1-powerpc" it will grab the needed deps
[09:15] <fdoving> nice.
[09:15] <fdoving> thanks.
[09:16] <imbrandon> it installs it to /usr/powerpc/* so it wont fubar anything
[09:17] <imbrandon> fdoving, and i'm adapting the last setp from that url you gave me to get pbuilder to use it now, so here in a few i'll be able to make powerpc packages on my i386 , yay\o/
[09:17] <fdoving> nice :)
[09:18] <fdoving> is it fast?
[09:18] <fdoving> the cross-compiling?
[09:18] <imbrandon> same as normal compiling
[09:18] <imbrandon> for what ever machine your on
[09:18] <fdoving> nice.
[09:19] <imbrandon> also note there are many arch cross compilers there at that url
[09:19] <fdoving> so the 2.4Ghz P4 will be a bit faster than the ibook :)
[09:19] <imbrandon> here is a list http://debian.speedblue.org/
[09:19] <imbrandon> fdoving, my thoughts exactly
[09:19] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:19] <imbrandon> ohhh nice, i think i got it working
[09:19] <fdoving> great :)
[09:20] <imbrandon> time to build a test package and put it on the ibook
[09:20] <imbrandon> if it works i'll write a mini howto for start to finish
[09:20] <imbrandon> on my website
[09:22] <fdoving> dpbuilder (0.1-3) - Distributed pbuilder using tree and leader election
[09:22] <fdoving> from debian.speedblue.org
[09:22] <imbrandon> yea i tried that
[09:23] <imbrandon> its not what you would think
[09:23] <imbrandon> it still builds each package on one machine , its for rebuilding a whole pool
[09:23] <fdoving> just read that.. too bad.
[09:23] <fdoving> do you use ccache with pbuilder?
[09:23] <imbrandon> yea
[09:23] <imbrandon> most of the time
[09:24] <imbrandon> actualy since i redid my build machine i havent setup ccache or distcc again
[09:25] <fdoving> did you try cowbuilder?
[09:25] <fdoving> i have it running on my ibook, it's nicer to the disk than pbuilder.
[09:26] <imbrandon> nah never tried it
[09:26] <fdoving> http://xerakko.livejournal.com/8301.html
[09:48] <imbrandon> gah
[09:48] <imbrandon> i'm sooooo close
[09:52] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, to what ?
[09:53] <gnomefreak> im building GNU hello and when i run debuild -S -sa it errors cause it cant find my key
[09:54] <imbrandon> does it show your key when you run "gpg --list-keys"
[09:54] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:54] <imbrandon> and thats the exact email that you have listed in debain/changelog
[09:54] <imbrandon> to the byte
[09:55] <gnomefreak> yep
[09:55] <gnomefreak> oh wait
[09:55] <gnomefreak> let me look
[09:55] <fdoving> does dpkg-buildpackage -kkeyid work?
[09:55] <imbrandon> fdoving, it would yes, but i bet its a matter of his changelog
[09:55] <fdoving> probably.
[09:55] <imbrandon> fdoving, becosue that would overide what the changelog has
[09:56] <gnomefreak> in the change log should i have the <emailo>
[09:56] <gnomefreak> or no <>
[09:56] <imbrandon>  -- Michael Vogt<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:08:17 +0200
[09:56] <imbrandon> the email should be byte for byte your gpgkey
[09:56] <gnomefreak> -- John Vivirito<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Fri,  6 Oct 2006 21:03:18 -0400
[09:56] <imbrandon> whats gpg --listkeys output ?
[09:57] <gnomefreak> John Vivirito (gnomefreak<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:57] <gnomefreak> i used --list-keys gnomefreak
[09:57] <imbrandon> try to build with " debuild -S -sa<EMAIL_ADDRESS>"
[09:58] <gnomefreak> k
[09:59] <imbrandon> if that works lemme know
[09:59] <gnomefreak> ok that worked
[09:59] <imbrandon> then you can make a file ~/.devscripts that contains<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:59] <imbrandon> and you wont have to put the -k everytime
[10:00] <gnomefreak> what would i use?
[10:00] <imbrandon> just debuild -S -sa
[10:00] <imbrandon> as normal
[10:00] <gnomefreak> ah
[10:00] <gnomefreak> ty :)
[10:00] <imbrandon> or debuild -S -sd , etc etc etc
[10:00] <imbrandon> what ever you are calling for
[10:00] <gnomefreak> ok and just the one line in the file?
[10:00] <imbrandon> yup
[10:02] <imbrandon> its also nice to set DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME in your ~/.bashrc for dch -i to use
[10:02] <imbrandon> if you want to know about that lemme know
[10:02] <gnomefreak> i have my key in my bashrc
[10:02] <imbrandon> not the key
[10:03] <imbrandon> the DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME so when you call dch -i it fills it in correctly
[10:03] <imbrandon> export<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:03] <gnomefreak> oh cool
[10:03] <imbrandon> and
[10:03] <imbrandon> then DEBFULLNAME='John sdfsd'
[10:03] <imbrandon> etc
[10:04] <imbrandon> then when you run dch -i on the changelog it does it right
[10:04] <gnomefreak> add them anywhere in ~/.bashrc?
[10:04] <imbrandon> ( but you have to start a new bash session for that to take effect
[10:04] <imbrandon> )
[10:04] <imbrandon> yea i normaly stick it way at the bottom
[10:04] <imbrandon> but anywhere works
[10:05] <gnomefreak> export DEBFULLNAME?
[10:05] <imbrandon> export<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:05] <imbrandon> export DEBFULLNAME="Brandon Holtsclaw"
[10:05] <imbrandon> ^^ thats mine
[10:05] <imbrandon> then close konsole and reopen it to get a new bash session
[10:05] <gnomefreak> ty thats done :)
[10:06] <imbrandon> now when you use dch it will fill in the correct info
[10:06] <imbrandon> save a bit of time
[10:06] <imbrandon> saves*
[10:06] <gnomefreak> :) makes it a bit faster
[10:07] <gnomefreak> now to find another app to build since i cant upload this (its learning package)
[10:07] <imbrandon> heh
[10:07] <mhb> Riddell: please, inform me (later) if the apt-get question is worth filing as a bug or not (yes/no)
[10:09] <imbrandon> fdoving, ohhhh sooooo close http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26007/
[10:09] <imbrandon> got to be just something small i'm over looking
[10:10] <fdoving> libXext..
[10:11] <imbrandon> i have all the build deps afaik
[10:11] <fdoving> do you have libxext-dev ?
[10:11] <imbrandon> yea
[10:12] <windshear_> ok i've removed the quet splash option from the kernel
[10:12] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~/devel/adept$ dpkg -l|grep libxext
[10:12] <imbrandon> ii  libxext-dev                                1.0.1-1ubuntu1                       X11 miscellaneous extensions library (develo
[10:12] <imbrandon> ii  libxext6                                   1.0.1-1ubuntu1                       X11 miscellaneous extension library
[10:12] <imbrandon> both installed
[10:12] <fdoving> then it should be there.
[10:12] <imbrandon> fdoving, i know heh
[10:12] <windshear_> i can now see that it hangs at usb 3-2: usb disconnect, adress 3
[10:12] <imbrandon> probably something with the search paths of the cross compiler
[10:13] <imbrandon> windshear_, would probably get more help in #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu-devel ( durring the weekdays ) as its not kde specific
[10:13] <imbrandon> soo most of us dont handle that stuff
[10:14] <windshear_> its not kde related, its kernel related, it exists in ubuntu + kubuntu
[10:27] <imbrandon> gah
[10:27] <fdoving> progress?
[10:27] <imbrandon> i wish i knew bash a bit better
[10:27] <imbrandon> yea
[10:28] <imbrandon> but i need to mass rename a few files
[10:28] <fdoving> i have to setup a pbuilder on my i386 box before i can do anything..
[10:28] <imbrandon> any good as bash one liners ?
[10:28] <imbrandon> heh
[10:28] <fdoving> what do you need?
[10:28] <imbrandon> ln -s powerpc-linux-* powerpc-linux-gnu-*
[10:29] <imbrandon> only that actualy does that
[10:29] <imbrandon> heh
[10:30] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Why not use mmv ?
[10:30] <imbrandon> i dont want to move them
[10:30] <imbrandon> i want to link them
[10:30] <imbrandon> well symlink
[10:39] <gnomefreak> is there an easy to build kde app like gnuhello?
[10:41] <fdoving> imbrandon, like this: for i in powerpc-linux-*;do ln -s $i $(echo $i | sed s/linux/linux-gnu/);done
[10:41] <imbrandon> thanks
[10:42] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, not that i'm aware, but i'm sure there is
[10:42] <fdoving> can probably be done with some nifty ${i%} stuff as the second argument, but i cheated :)
[10:42] <imbrandon> fdoving, hehe long as it gets the job done ;)
[10:42] <imbrandon> man this has got to be a PATH issue but i cant fugure it out
[10:43] <imbrandon> seems to be the last step
[10:43] <imbrandon> heh
[10:57] <fdoving> imbrandon,progress?
[10:57] <imbrandon> slow but yea
[10:57] <imbrandon> this is day 6 or 7 on this
[10:57] <imbrandon> heh
[10:58] <imbrandon> reading some man pages now for dpkg-cross
[10:58] <DaSkreech> booting Windows Vista?
[10:59] <DaSkreech> Well he said it was day 5 or 6 at it
[10:59] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, and that has to do with what ?
[10:59] <DaSkreech>  I just thought he might be trying Vista >_< :)
[11:00] <imbrandon> yea vista boots on my machine in like 5 minutes. still fail to see what that has to do with this channell as mhb said
[11:33] <_windshear_> hello
[11:33] <_windshear_> i have a very strange problem with 6.10
[11:33] <_windshear_> I'm only able to boot it every 2 nd time
[11:34] <mhb> _windshear_: what does happen when you won't boot it?
[11:34] <mhb> _windshear_: does the screen go black? when?
[11:35] <_windshear_> it freezes at the beginning of the progress bar. to find out why i removed the quite splash option from the kernel
[11:35] <gnomefreak> _windshear_: does it boot with the wuite option in the kernel boot parmetes?
[11:35] <gnomefreak> parameters*
[11:36] <_windshear_> it sometimes stops at ohci1394 fw-host 0
[11:36] <mhb> _windshear_: sounds like a hardware-related problem
[11:36] <_windshear_> and sometimes it hangs at usb 3-2 usb disconnect, address 3
[11:37] <_windshear_> mhb I don't have a problem with 6.06 nor with windows
[11:37] <_windshear_> so its not a hardware defect
[11:37] <mhb> _windshear_: still it might be some driver having trouble with the USB/FW
[11:37] <gnomefreak> _windshear_: you cant say that
[11:38] <gnomefreak> _windshear_: 6.10 is different than any other
[11:38] <gnomefreak> for example upstart is now in edgy none of the others
[11:38] <gnomefreak> btw hint that may be a place to look
[11:38] <mhb> _windshear_: If you file a bug, don't forget to add a lot of information about your hardware and your motherboard etc
[11:39] <_windshear_> I can, everything works just fine, and if it woul be a hardware issue it would either happen randomly or everytime
[11:39] <mhb> _windshear_: it seems like the usb subsystem is having trouble
[11:39] <_windshear_> but in my case it is like this:
[11:39] <_windshear_> i start my pc, it hangs
[11:40] <_windshear_> i press reset, everything works
[11:40] <_windshear_> all usb devices work
[11:40] <gnomefreak> _windshear_: any crash logs in /var/crash?
[11:40] <gnomefreak> anything in /var/log/sys*
[11:40] <_windshear_> will check
[11:41] <gnomefreak> i think its sys
[11:41] <mhb> _windshear_: we can't help you here much since we're no kernel devs (and no bug hunters either)
[11:42] <gnomefreak> syslog and kernellog i would look in. i would file a bug and i will look at it and let you know what info is needed please give as much explantaion as you can
[11:54] <windshear> i have ayslog file
[11:55] <windshear> a syslog file
[11:55] <gnomefreak> windshear: you have both syslog and kernellog
[11:55] <gnomefreak> windshear: anything that looks like a warning?
[11:55] <gnomefreak> or error
[11:58] <windshear> hm, no
[12:00] <windshear> i have only a kern.log, no kernellog
[12:00] <gnomefreak> windshear: try filing a bug or ask in #kubuntu this is not a support channel
[12:00] <gnomefreak> kern.log is the one i meant
[12:01] <windshear> and a faillog, but its unreadable, just contains dots
[12:02] <windshear> ok, in what section should i file the bug
[12:06] <gnomefreak> windshear: dont put on just use the idont know
[12:09] <windshear> ok


[02:14] <Cyis> anyone using bootcmd options on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS?
[02:15] <Cyis> I've been using cloud-init on 12.04 LTS for several years now but trying to add a bootcmd to retrieve a script and then execute it once per instance but it seems to be blowing up and everything else is executing fine for me
[02:23] <Cyis> https://gist.github.com/jbouse/674e129ffb3c2cc87279 is my latest attempt if anyone has any insite
[02:23] <Cyis> hmm... think I might have it


[10:09] <theShirbiny> elacheche, this is what we had for backups https://www.r1soft.com/
[12:40] <Kilos>  and help with
[12:40] <Kilos> night all of you
[12:40] <Kilos> have a good day
[17:48] <elacheche> thanks theShirbiny


[10:56] <Amijai> Hi. I added a second nvidian card to my ubuntu bionic box, only the original 2 monitors work after installing the nvidia driver
[10:58] <Amijai> how do I configure gnome-session to start on 2 X displays? When I enter the Display setup in gnome-control-center, only 2 of the 4 monitors show up
[14:19] <Amijai> I added a second nvidia card and enabled it in nvidia-settings by adding the two monitors connected to it to a new X Display. No all 4 monitoes work, but my Gnome desktop starts only on the first two. The new monitors show a blank screen
[14:23] <Amijai> whan I enter the Gnome Control Center. it shows only 2 displays. if I remove the nvidia driver all works fine


[04:05] <jolyroger> hello all
[04:27] <jolyroger> this is probably a dumb question, but why does it appear like no one is talking in a rather full chat channel?
[04:57] <braiam> jolyroger: read the topic
[05:06] <jolyroger> Yes braiam, I had done that.  I don't feel any of that explains why the room appears so quiet...
[05:06] <braiam> jolyroger: is a class room...
[05:06] <braiam> there is a schedule
[05:06] <braiam> :/
[05:07] <braiam> and everybody is sleeping...
[05:08] <jolyroger> you mean everyone that is logged into the room, other than you and I, are just place-holding for later?
[05:09] <braiam> or they have marked it as fav and doesn't care
[05:10] <jolyroger> my mistake, I was thinking there would be some sort of discussion even when class is not in session
[05:10] <braiam> join to ##club-ubuntu jolyroger
[05:11] <jolyroger> thanks


[02:39] <bitshawn> hi
[02:39] <bitshawn> any1 here
[02:39] <bitshawn> anyone wanna talk about the x-files?
[06:17] <sai_> ello
[06:18] <sai_> hello
[08:25] <zaga> good morning everyone i was trying to eliminate the Plank's icon from the its own docks... how can i do this?
[08:25] <zaga> sorry for my english
[10:37] <CoderEurope> zaga, have you tried : https://ubuntu-mate.org/community/ ?
[11:19] <TaZeR> oh hell yea i posted my life stories ther!
[14:57] <Jack_Sparrow__> !find am-utils
[14:59] <simeon__> Hallo
[18:54] <newb> Hello
[18:56] <newb> I have a question...and I'm pretty new to Ubuntu Mate
[18:56] <newb> Can someone please help
[19:07] <aamna> hey
[23:48] <TaZeR> sure newb


[05:19] <Jordan_U> @mark #ubuntu procyon_ember Refusing to give their end goal. Claims to (and may really) not understand what an end goal is or why their refusal to state one waisted the channel's time. Was warned that if it became a pattern they might be removed from the channel.
[14:35] <bazhang> crikey
[14:36] <bazhang> we need #ubuntu-github in addition to all the bash/clang/bsd on windows channels
[14:57] <popey> @login
[14:57] <popey> @btlogin
[16:04] <bazhang> syth seems to be alteregoa
[16:04] <bazhang> the fnordistus guy
[16:49] <bazhang> chuckzz is all over the place
[16:49] <bazhang> first its some modprobe for acpi, then an instant later ubuntu server is fresh installed
[18:07] <c0mrade> hehe
[18:07] <c0mrade> Anyone interested in free hosting? I've got a server at home and I provide full root access. You choose the OS of your flavor and install it on VMware running on my server...I give up to 3GB of RAM, 200GB of HDD an a vCPU.
[18:40] <ikonia> c0mrade: no thanks
[18:41] <c0mrade> Okay
[18:41] <ikonia> c0mrade: you may want to stop spamming that on every channel you join
[18:41] <ikonia> it doesn't appear to be being well recieved
[18:41] <ikonia> c0mrade: is there a reason you joined ths channel (#ubuntu-ops)
[19:56] <k1l_> @comment 50655
[19:57] <k1l_> seems like that forward is still in place and there was again too much history inbetween to remove it
 Has anyone had any success installing Rails on the new Windows Subsystem for Linux?
[22:01] <k1l_> it begins :)
[22:01] <k1l_> where was that GNU/kWindows channel now? :)
[22:02] <Jordan_U> k1l_: #ubuntu-on-windows
[22:03] <k1l_> thanks
[22:05] <Jordan_U> You're welcome.
[22:05] <IdleOne> We could use a factoid directing people there
[22:06] <IdleOne> maybe?
[22:06] <Jordan_U> !ubuwin
[22:06] <k1l_> !ubuwin
[22:06] <Flannel> !windoze
[22:06] <Flannel> Oh wait
[22:06] <Flannel> #ubuntu-on-win doesn't exist?
[22:06] <Jordan_U> I think we were waiting on changing the ubuwin factoid until #ubuntu-on-windows became more "official", though I don't know what that would entail. Maybe we should just do it.
[22:07] <Jordan_U> Flannel: #ubuntu-on-winDOWS
[22:07] <Flannel> I can't read, apparently.
[22:07] <Flannel> Jordan_U: Thanks
[22:08] <IdleOne> !no Canonical and Microsoft have announced that Windows 10 will be able to run Ubuntu programs without needing porting/recompilation. This functionality is still in beta and is not currently supported in #ubuntu. For discussion, see #ubuntu-on-windows.
[22:08] <Flannel> I got it
[22:08] <IdleOne> !no ubuwin is <reply>Canonical and Microsoft have announced that Windows 10 will be able to run Ubuntu programs without needing porting/recompilation. This functionality is still in beta and is not currently supported in #ubuntu. For discussion, see #ubuntu-on-windows.
[22:09] <Flannel> !ubuwin =~ /currently //
[22:09] <Flannel> !ubuwin =~ /discussion,/discussion and support,/
[22:11] <IdleOne> better
[22:11] <Flannel> !ubuwin
[22:11] <IdleOne> :)
[22:12] <Flannel> Only thoughts are getting rid of the future perfect stuff.
[22:12] <Jordan_U> Yes, now it's decidedly present and imperfect ;)
[22:13] <IdleOne> We could probably use a couple more ops to idle in there also
[22:13] <k1l_> and people who actually know about it to support it.
[22:13] <Flannel> and a pony
[22:14] <IdleOne> ooo ponies
[22:14] <ikonia> dax had some interest in it
[22:14] <Flannel> !pony-#ubuntu-offtopic | IdleOne
[22:15] <IdleOne> hehe
[22:15] <IdleOne> Should add COME BACK 1 YEAR
[22:16] <Flannel> Haha
[23:07] <jonathan_zz> so this Ikonia person is abusing his/her channel ops. Being an ass to people and when someone complains, that person is kicked out of the channel.
[23:08] <jonathan_zz> nothing more than a tyrant.
[23:09] <jonathan_zz> and someone abusing their power to win an argument.
[23:09] <jonathan_zz> being a moderator, but getting person about the advice that is given.
[23:09] <jonathan_zz> personal*.
[23:09] <jonathan_zz> as such, mixing user role and moderator role, and abusing moderator role to win arguments being executed as a user.
[23:10] <ikonia> jonathan_zz: lets be real shall we
[23:10] <ikonia> a user asked a question to the channel looking for opinions and advice
[23:11] <jonathan_zz> what, the person with the stick is saying let's get real?
[23:11] <ikonia> I gave my opinion and advice, gave some detail and said he was free to ignore it
[23:11] <ikonia> you joined in being rude
[23:11] <jonathan_zz> no you did not.
[23:11] <ikonia> you persisted to be rude and called me names
[23:11] <ikonia> you where removed and redirected here - now you're blaming it on winning an argument
[23:11] <jonathan_zz> you are being a downright horrible person to that other person.
[23:11] <jonathan_zz> you are not letting that person be
[23:11] <ikonia> letting him be ?
[23:11] <ikonia> he's ASKING for advice and opinions
[23:12] <jonathan_zz> and you are interfering with her opinion or answers to such an extent that you are saying "no, do a proper job"
[23:12] <jonathan_zz> he is not asking for meddling
[23:12] <jonathan_zz> he is not asking for commands
[23:12] <ikonia> he is ASKING will something work
[23:12] <ikonia> and do you think it's a good idea
[23:12] <jonathan_zz> and you did not answer that question
[23:12] <jonathan_zz> you started giving orders
[23:12] <ikonia> I answered in detail
[23:12] <jonathan_zz> no
[23:12] <jonathan_zz> that person was doing his best to ignore your assaults.
[23:12] <ikonia> are you even reading the channel ? or just trying to cause a drama ?
[23:13] <ikonia> what are you talking about ???
[23:13] <jonathan_zz> well you stop making any kind of disagreement about personal character?
[23:13] <jonathan_zz> will*
[23:13] <ikonia> your personal characeter ??? I've not mentioned it
[23:13] <jonathan_zz> you are really the least suited to being a moderator of anyone I have ever seen, you know that?
[23:14] <ikonia> oh, now you've changed to this
[23:14] <jonathan_zz> when a person asks for advice
[23:14] <jonathan_zz> it is take it or leave it
[23:14] <jonathan_zz> you were not content with that
[23:14] <ikonia> what are you talking about ??
[23:14] <jonathan_zz> that person indicated several times wanting to go through with the thing
[23:14] <ikonia> you seem to be making up things
[23:14] <jonathan_zz> and you kept trying to dissuade him
[23:14] <ikonia> jonathan_zz: he is asking for opinions and problems
[23:14] <ikonia> I gave him opinion and details of problems
[23:14] <IdleOne> I read the entire conversation between ikonia and mtek and I don't see where ikonia is forcing anyone to do anything.  Why should any of us be nice to you after you insult us?
[23:18] <jonathan_zz> so you feel I should watch my step and walk on my toes in case in case any one person being an ass to someone else might be a channel op?
[23:18] <IdleOne> I think you should stop calling people names op or not
[23:18] <jonathan_zz> if you cannot see the issue with Ikonia's behaviour, there is something wrong with you.
[23:19] <jonathan_zz> that was the most unpleasant way to give an answer to anyone.
[23:19] <IdleOne> So yes you should always be on your toes when in any ubuntu channel
[23:19] <jonathan_zz> I refuse anyway, I will not live my life by your standards.
[23:19] <IdleOne> fine
[23:19] <jonathan_zz> and what you say here is terrorism.
[23:19] <IdleOne> you may go and the problem is solved
[23:19] <IdleOne> have a good day.
[23:19] <jonathan_zz> you have no interest in being fair.
[23:20] <jonathan_zz> the moderator is right anyway, isn't she.
[23:20] <jonathan_zz> the way she responded to that person was downright abusive -- you could call it that.
[23:21] <IdleOne> well the way you called ikonia an ass was also abusive
[23:21] <jonathan_zz> when someone objects, she insists that she has every right to treat anyone whatever way she likes
[23:21] <jonathan_zz> Oh don't go and turn the situation around now.
[23:21] <jonathan_zz> if someone is being an ass, I have the right to call her out on that.
[23:21] <jonathan_zz> she came first
[23:21] <jonathan_zz> she began this whole thing.
[23:22] <IdleOne> not turning it around. I am saying that if you believe the op was abusive it does not allow you to be abusive
 if someone is being an ass, I have the right to call her out on that.  <<<< wrong.
[23:22] <jonathan_zz> that's the only way to make things clear to people.
[23:22] <k1l_> you never get the right to call names.
[23:22] <jonathan_zz> yeah that's what you think, but you don't decide life.
[23:22] <jonathan_zz> wrong.
[23:22] <IdleOne> ok I'll make it clear to you. YOU have no right to be abusive in MY community.
[23:22] <jonathan_zz> not doing that means you have lost anyway.
[23:22] <k1l_> if you would have read the guidelines you would have known to call an op in the case you see users missbehaving.
[23:23] <ikonia> jonathan_zz: I've now muted you in this channel so that you can stop talking
[23:23] <k1l_> but you have no right to be abusive.
[23:23] <ikonia> you need to read the IRC guidelines for ubuntu - I'll give you a link in am oment
[23:23] <ikonia> you've just spewing nonense with some sort of odd attempt to cause a problem, I don't know why, and to be honest, I don't care why, but enough now
[23:23] <ikonia> please read the rules in the link I'll give you in a minute, the rules of IRC are the not the rules of real life
[23:23] <ikonia> so don't bother trying to compare them
[23:24] <ikonia> once you've read them, you can rejoin this channel (#ubuntu-ops) and we'll discuss your problem properly
[23:24] <ikonia> !guidelines | jonathan_zz
[23:24] <ikonia> jonathan_zz: please read them and we'll discuss it when you have read


[00:15] <keithzg> Hmm, was there ever a fix for the "no talloc stackframe at ../source3/param/loadparm.c:4864, leaking memory" error when using sudo? I entirely forgot to follow that.
[00:16] <keithzg> I know I can fix it by removing SMB password sync from my PAM config, but I was hoping it'd be fixed by default by now, and it doesn't seem to have been.
[00:16] <keithzg> (or at least, not fixed through an update on existing installs)
[00:18] <keithzg> Hmm, looks from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/1257186 like it's waiting for 14.04.2 for the fix to be released?
[00:23] <sarnold> keithzg: that would surprise me.
[00:26] <keithzg> sarnold: Fair enough, I just see no other indication that it's being worked on other than that tag.
[00:27] <sarnold> keithzg: indeed; it feels to me like that tag is giving false hope
[00:28] <sarnold> keithzg: perhaps there are plans afoot to replace the samba version wholesale aroud 14.04.2 time, but it's not a precedent I'm familiar with, and it seems strange to me to wait until a new point release before doing so
[00:32] <keithzg> sarnold: Hmm. Yeah, the fix seems to have come in with Samba 4.1.10 ( https://www.samba.org/samba/history/samba-4.1.10.html ), a bugfix for Samba 4.1 back in July.
[00:33] <keithzg> Utopic and Vivid both have 4.1.11, but trust and trusty-updates are still on 4.1.6.
[00:35] <dtscode> hey guys... i keep running sudo tasksel install mail-server, but it responds with: tasksel: aptitude failed (100)
[00:35] <dtscode> how can i fix it?
[01:02] <sarnold> dtscode: try simpler tools, e.g. apt-get install mail-server^ or install the specific mail server that you want
[01:19] <dtscode> ok. ty sarnold
[02:21] <hariom> Is there any secure way to share some directory or file system between remote servers (LAN environment but still not fully trusted)
[02:25] <sarnold> what do you mean by "secure"?
[02:25] <Openstack_> Anyone have any experience with openstack autopilot?
[02:25] <sarnold> and what do you mean by "share"?
[02:26] <Openstack_> I've successfully commissioned MAAS nodes and am running in to pxelinux.cfg issues when it attempts to boot to disk
[02:28] <hariom> sarnold: Security with NFS like system. I heard SSHFS can be an option
[09:04] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:06] <phix> Evening lordievader
[09:09] <lordievader> Hey phix, how are you doing?
[09:49] <adsc> i'd like to have heartbeat handle apache2 and mysql processes, so how do I disable them from starting at boot?
[09:51] <adsc> it seems mysql has a script in /etc/init, but apache doesn't seem to
[09:53] <lordievader> adsc: It does: /etc/init.d/apache2
[09:54] <lordievader> Sysvinit vs upstart.
[10:03] <astbis> Hi. I have some trouble getting Apache2 vhosts working. I did install apache2 php mysql aso. Everything works like a charm. But vhosts seams not to be working. Any ideas where to look for a solution. Here is a pastebin of my vhost configuration and apachectl -S output. http://pastebin.com/NQdxx6mr
[10:03] <adsc> lordievader: it seems both our statements are correct
[10:04] <adsc> anyway, i removed apache2 with update-rc.d and edited the upstart script of mysql so that it doesn't start
[10:12] <marty_axel> problem with sftp, can t connect on port 22 connection refused. On ufw status i have port 22 ALLOW . What seems to be the problem?
[10:13] <lordievader> astbis: I take the config file is enabled?
[10:14] <astbis> a2ensite yes
[10:15] <lordievader> astbis: Allright, what do you get when you go to a vhost?
[10:15] <astbis> apachectl -S shows it is loaded
[10:16] <astbis> I get only the first vhost loaded.
[10:16] <lordievader> astbis: Anything in the logs?
[10:18] <lordievader> astbis: Not sure if the server or my browser does it, but the www. part is removed and thus resulting in the same page. Perhaps you can make the test clearer by replacing www. with test. or something.
[10:18] <astbis> Nothing in error.log
[10:26] <astbis> I don't get it. Added a subdomain. Added just as the others. Entered the ip in /etc/hosts on my client and it works. Why not the others?
[10:31] <lordievader> astbis: For the www part, I'm starting to suspect the browser.
[10:34] <astbis> Thanks for the help. Testet it with linux links and it worked as configured. Google Chrome handles it weirdly. Why? Am i wondering.
[10:35] <astbis> Cleaned browser history. Now Google Chrome shows i correctly.
[10:36] <astbis> Thanks for the help.
[10:41] <lordievader> No problem ;)
[10:41] <lordievader> Glad you figured it out :)
[11:10] <marty_axel> i have a problem with my sftp connection, it says port 22 : connection refused
[11:11] <adsc> hello
[11:11] <adsc> oh, sorry, i thought it has disconnected
[11:26] <pmatulis> morning
[11:48] <marty_axel> can anyone help with my problem?
[11:54] <lordievader> !ask | marty_axel
[12:50] <kevinde> I have a hdd in a caddy that I take home with me from school, on this hdd I have Windows 7 & Ubuntu installed. Everything works fine on the machine at my school (where ubuntu was originally installed). I have tesame caddy bay installed on my pc at home where I can plug in my hdd and start windows/ubuntu. The only problem i'm having that when my hdd is plugged in the caddy bay at home that Ubuntu cannot find my network card bu
[12:50] <kevinde> How is that possible,
[12:52] <lordievader> kevinde: What network card? Make/model/etc
[12:52] <kevinde> The network card build in my motherboard ( ASUS SABERTOOTH Z87 )
[12:53] <kevinde> I can connect any other device such as a wireless adapter without any problems
[12:59] <kevinde> It did work in the past, but somehow it stopped working about a month ago
[13:02] <lordievader> What chip?
[13:04] <pmatulis> kevinde: and, specifically, what do you mean by "cannot find my network card"?
[13:07] <kevinde> well, it does get listed in lspci but ubuntu network manager doesn't detect it at all
[13:07] <lordievader> kevinde: Does "ip link" show it?
[13:07] <kevinde> might this be a driver issue,
[13:08] <kevinde> I am at my school right now, cannot check that
[13:09] <lordievader> kevinde: Then I suggest that you return when you are at the pc in question.
[13:10] <kevinde> will do that, thanks
[13:10] <adsc> i am trying to start mysql server with /etc/init.d/mysql start, but all I get is some apparmor logs in syslog
[13:10] <pmatulis> kevinde: maybe not using 'eth0' but 'em1'.  that's what i have on my Z77 Sabertooth
[13:10] <adsc> is there no way to start mysql directly, without upstart?
[13:12] <jjohansen> adsc: what are the apparmor log messages?
[13:13] <kevinde> pmatulis, I will check that when i'm back home, if that is the case ip link will show that?
[13:13] <lordievader> kevinde: Yes.
[13:13] <kevinde> it's just strange that it would be like that, as it used to work with eth0 in the past
[13:14] <kevinde> but I will take a look at that
[13:15] <adsc> jjohansen: http://pastie.org/9847401
[13:20] <jjohansen> adsc: so you can modify the apparmor profile, or if you don't care about its protections for mysql disable its profile
[13:20] <jjohansen> to disable the profile
[13:20] <jjohansen>   sudo aa-disable mysqld
[13:20] <adsc> will give it a try, thanks
[13:21] <adsc> aa-disable doesn't exist
[13:22] <jjohansen> to modify the profile, you can open /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.mysqld file in an editor and then you need to add rules for the name= and denied_mask= combinations
[13:22] <jjohansen> adsc: sudo apt-get install apparmor-utils
[13:23] <jjohansen> eg. to add permission for the first denial add
[13:23] <jjohansen>   /srv/mysql/production.lower-test w,
[13:23] <jjohansen>
[13:24] <jjohansen> the other rule would be
[13:24] <jjohansen>   /srv/mysql/ibdata1 w,
[13:25] <jjohansen> you would then do
[13:25] <jjohansen>   sudo apparmor_parser -r /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.mysqld
[13:31] <adsc> if i disable it with aa-disable, will it stay that way, or do I have to do that every time the system reboots?
[13:37] <jjohansen> adsc: it will stay disabled
[13:38] <adsc> good
[13:38] <adsc> although it doesn't seem to be the problem
[13:39] <adsc> the last five log messages stay the same
[13:39] <adsc> is there a simple way to get mysql to start without upstart?
[13:42] <adsc> or does the /etc/init.d/mysql script work for you guys?
[13:54] <adsc> ok, it seems to have to do with changed datadir
[13:54] <adsc> i changed datadir to some other path, and from then on, it couldn't start it anymore
[13:58] <adsc> as soon as I change datadir, mysql doesn't start anymore...any idea why?
[14:09] <marty_axel> port 22 : connection refused on ssh. I`m behind a router and using ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
[14:10] <marty_axel> port 22 : connection refused on ssh. I`m behind a router and using ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS. I`m trying to connect filezilla(windows 7 computer) to server ubuntu, using either vsftpd or sftp. None of them seems to work on public ip.
[14:16] <patdk-wk> if by *router* you mean a firewall(nat) device, no, it won't work
[14:17] <maswan> unless you configure the firewall/nat to pass those packets on. how this is done, if at all, depends on the device and not the ubuntu server too.
[14:19] <marty_axel_> by router i mean router
[14:20] <marty_axel_> and it works, i just don t know how to config it yet. Please don t answer if you don t know
[14:22] <maswan> if you just mean router, "i'm behind a router" is a null statement on the internet, since all packets are routed.
[14:23] <marty_axel> i have a router in my room, i don`t know how to call it otherwise
[14:31] <Grey_Loki_> marty_axel: what is the make and model of this router?
[14:31] <marty_axel> linksys, doesn t really matter
[14:32] <marty_axel> i already have a computer with ubuntu that works, i only try to change that computer with a better one
[14:32] <marty_axel> with a newly installed ubuntu
[14:32] <marty_axel> i have made port forwarding for port 21 22 on router
[15:21] <jamespage> smb, believe it or not I can no longer replicate the problem I was having with block devices under vivid
[15:24] <smb> jamespage, Oh I believe that rather easily. I suspect some kind of race anyhow. But generally, do you know details about what things go on during deployment up to the point where you would try to make the second disk a ceph device which you could document in the bug?
[15:25] <smb> The thing is I have no clue what was on vdb before. It probably is not cloud-localds data since that only seems to support isofs or vfat
[15:54] <adsc> has anyone managed to specify a different datadir for mysql than /var/lib/mysql? If I change this value in the config, mysql doesn't start anymore
[16:15] <marty_axel> can someone help me configure vsftpd on ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
[16:20] <ivoks> what's there to configure?
[16:27] <jamespage> smb, its an ephemeral disk created and attached to the instance by the underlying cloud
[16:27] <jamespage> smb, its ext4 formatted
[16:35] <fixxxermet> Is there a way to vlan tag your interface DURING the ubuntu install?
[16:35] <smb> jamespage, Unfortunately that information is not helping me. In order to strip as much away as possible I rather need info about what the contents and exact format are (like what kind of label) and what actually was doing the mount and how any data on it was used. I *assume* (since its openstack) that the base vda contents are a cloud-image and the setup data for cloud-init actually came via net. So again, what mou
[16:35] <smb> nted vdb, for what?
[16:36] <marty_axel> it doesn t work on ssh
[16:36] <marty_axel> for example
[16:37] <jamespage> smb, cloud-init mounted the disk on boot
[16:37] <jamespage> smb, it queries the metadata service to figure out what todo
[16:38] <ivoks> marty_axel: vsftpd doesn't work on ssh?
[16:38] <ivoks> i'm not sure i understand
[16:39] <ivoks> openssh can provide sftp
[16:39] <ivoks> vsftpd can provide ftps
[16:39] <ivoks> if that's what you are refering to
[16:39] <Pici> vsftpd can do ftps and ftp.
[16:40] <marty_axel> i installed vsftpd, i can connect using filezilla on port 21 using localip(192.168.x.x),using public ip i have no chance. I try now using sftp, and i can t connect not even by using ssh user@ip on my ubuntu
[16:40] <marty_axel> i get port 22 : connection refused
[16:40] <ivoks> again, read:
[16:40] <ivoks> 17:39 < ivoks> openssh can provide sftp
[16:40] <marty_axel> a installed openssh server
[16:40] <ivoks> vsftpd has nothing to do with ssh
[16:40] <marty_axel> configure sftp from the internet
[16:41] <ivoks> ahm, have you configured port forwarding from your external ip to internal?
[16:41] <marty_axel> i doesn t, but i tried both ways, to make it work, i don t care which one works, i need it to work
[16:41] <marty_axel> yes
[16:41] <ivoks> can you ssh/ftp to your local ip?
[16:41] <ivoks> instead of public one
[16:41] <marty_axel> i can t ssh using local ip
[16:41] <ivoks> if you can, then port forwarding isn't set
[16:42] <marty_axel> it says port 22 : connection refused
[16:42] <Pici> Can you ssh from the server to itself?
[16:42] <marty_axel> i go on my ubuntu, i write ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and i get an error : port 22: connection refused
[16:42] <ivoks> and you installed 'ssh'?
[16:43] <marty_axel> yes
[16:43] <ivoks> easy to check
[16:43] <marty_axel> sudo service ssh status , it says it s running
[16:43] <ivoks> netstat -nat | grep 192.168.x.x:22
[16:43] <ivoks> or actually
[16:43] <Pici> marty_axel: Thats on the server? or your other computer?
[16:43] <ivoks> netstat -nat | grep :22
[16:43] <ivoks> you should see <IP_ADDRESS>:22
[16:44] <marty_axel> grep:22 command not found
[16:44] <Pici> You forgot a space
[16:44] <NoobsFlyVFR> marty_axel, run netstat -nap
[16:45] <marty_axel> i get <IP_ADDRESS>:21
[16:45] <marty_axel> nothing about :22
[16:45] <ivoks> then your ssh is not running
[16:45] <ivoks> or it's listening on different port
[16:45] <ivoks> sudo netstat -natp | grep ssh
[16:45] <NoobsFlyVFR> netstat -nap will reveal what port it's running on, marty_axel. If you're not sure, use sudo service ssh restart.
[16:47] <marty_axel> i can restart it,it says ssh/stop ssh/start
[16:47] <marty_axel> 	sudo netstat -natp | grep ssh doesn t return anything
[16:48] <ivoks> then it's not running
[16:49] <Pici> marty_axel: Just for clarification, are there two computers that we're talking about here? Are you running these commands on the server?
[16:49] <marty_axel> yes
[16:49] <marty_axel> i have windows7, i m talking to you from it. And the other computer with ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS on which i`m trying your commands
[16:50] <ivoks> than you did something with your ssh
[16:50] <marty_axel> and then copy the result in my mind and paste it here :D
[16:50] <ivoks> and now it won't start
[16:50] <jpds> marty_axel: Check your syslog file.
[16:50] <marty_axel> if i sudo service ssh status, it says it s running
[16:51] <marty_axel> i don t know how to do that. i`m php programmer(beginner), and this is for the small company i`m working for,it`s one time job
[16:51] <ivoks> so, you installed ssh
[16:51] <ivoks> what else did you do?
[16:51] <ivoks> did you change any service to listen on port 22?
[16:51] <ivoks> or did you change ssh configuration?
[16:52] <ivoks> pgrep sshd
[16:52] <ivoks> does that return a number?
[16:52] <marty_axel> mhm, wait one second to tell u exactly what i changed
[16:52] <marty_axel> nothing
[16:52] <marty_axel> it returns nothing
[16:52] <marty_axel> http://www.krizna.com/ubuntu/setup-ftp-server-on-ubuntu-14-04-vsftpd/
[16:52] <marty_axel> what it says here
[16:53] <marty_axel> it s the only thing i did
[16:53] <ivoks> ssh is not running
[16:53] <ivoks> so you did step 8?
[16:53] <marty_axel> yes
[16:53] <ivoks> you probably made a mistake there
[16:54] <ivoks> and ssh won't start cause of broken configuration
[16:58] <marty_axel> true
[16:59] <marty_axel> but still can t connect
[17:00] <marty_axel> i have something that i cant understand, in the sshd_config i have AllowUsers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:00] <marty_axel> and i want to connect using my public ip
[17:00] <nickander> have you considered adding your public ip to the config
[17:01] <marty_axel> yes but i don t know where :D
[17:13] <marty_axel> i can t connect on my ubuntu using ssh, now it gives me password error
[17:14] <marty_axel> ...
[17:18] <marty_axel> permision denied,please try again, when i input my password.
[17:42] <marty_axel> i can connect with an user eventualy, but i can t connect with filezilla
[17:42] <marty_axel> Error:	Authentication failed.
[17:42] <marty_axel> Error:	Critical error: Could not connect to server
[17:42] <darkxploit> marty your problem seem to be very vast
[17:43] <darkxploit> are you trying to ftp on a server having the folder which is mounted as nfs
[17:43] <darkxploit> did you check permission
[17:44] <darkxploit> are you on a production platform or a simple home test
[17:44] <darkxploit> i need more info dude
[17:44] <darkxploit> it might be  iptables though.. it all depend
[17:48] <marty_axel> on my company
[17:49] <darkxploit> ok so u r testing on a pre-prod server
[17:49] <marty_axel> they have a server already
[17:49] <marty_axel> they put me on a new computer
[17:49] <marty_axel> i installed ubuntu,and now i need to config it so i can connect trough filezilla
[17:49] <darkxploit> which port are u running the ftp server
[17:50] <darkxploit> oh ok
[17:50] <marty_axel> if i install vsftpd i can connect with port 21 only with localip not with public
[17:50] <darkxploit> in such case, the server [destination] which you want to access [source] have to be understood prior setting the ftp
[17:51] <marty_axel> so i understood that with sftp its more easier
[17:51] <darkxploit> yep
[17:51] <marty_axel> so i installed openssh-server
[17:51] <marty_axel> i made configurations
[17:51] <darkxploit> you can install proftpd, sftpd vsftpd.. anything is fine provided you have install a ftp server
[17:52] <marty_axel> i managed on ubuntu to write ssh user@localip
[17:52] <darkxploit> which one have u chose ?
[17:52] <marty_axel> http://www.krizna.com/ubuntu/setup-ftp-server-on-ubuntu-14-04-vsftpd/
[17:52] <marty_axel> this tutorial i made
[17:52] <marty_axel> i can connect using one user,altough i made 4 users.... and i can connect on localhost
[17:52] <marty_axel> after infinite battles :D
[17:53] <darkxploit> ok what is the output of netstat -ntpl | grep -i ftp on the server
[17:53] <darkxploit> command >> netstat -ntpl | grep -i ftp
[17:54] <darkxploit> paste the output here
[17:54] <marty_axel> <IP_ADDRESS>:21
[17:54] <darkxploit> hmm ok
[17:54] <darkxploit> now from the client
[17:54] <marty_axel> i dont have putty installed
[17:54] <marty_axel> on the client
[17:54] <darkxploit> the server or computer where you want to install filezilla
[17:54] <darkxploit> do this test
[17:54] <marty_axel> where?with what i mean
[17:54] <marty_axel> command promt?
[17:55] <darkxploit> telnet <<ipaddress of the server>> 21
[17:55] <marty_axel> don t have telnet either...mhmm
[17:55] <darkxploit> is the server or computer from where you want to install filezilla windows or linux ?
[17:55] <marty_axel> i have filezilla on windows7
[17:56] <marty_axel> and ubuntu on another computer
[17:56] <darkxploit> ok the windows 6 itself
[17:56] <darkxploit> 7
[17:56] <darkxploit> open cmd
[17:56] <darkxploit> type
[17:56] <darkxploit> telnet ip address of the server 21
[17:56] <marty_axel> i need to activate telnet on win7,just a minute
[17:57] <darkxploit> telnet is a good tool to test if nothing is preventing the connection
[17:58] <darkxploit> may be there is a firewall somewhere in the company or a simple iptables rules on the server or any firewall rules on the windows machine
[17:58] <marty_axel> ok,installed it
[17:58] <marty_axel> 220 <vsftpd 3.0.2>
[17:58] <sudormrf> question for you guys about rsync.  I have a cron job that does a very simple task.  looking in my cron log it says that rsync is trying to chown files at the destination.  never seen this before and not sure why it would do so.  is this normal behavior?  the command being used is rsync -raz --progress /path/one/ /path/two/
[17:58] <marty_axel> only output it says
[17:58] <darkxploit> ok great
[17:58] <darkxploit> it means traffic is fine
[17:59] <darkxploit> now on the server, you created three users right ?
[17:59] <marty_axel> yes
[17:59] <marty_axel> added them on the same group
[17:59] <marty_axel> i only did what that tutorial tought me :d
[17:59] <darkxploit> sudormrf use rsync with the -n arguments with addition
[18:00] <darkxploit> to what u r using
[18:00] <darkxploit> it will run it in dryrun mode
[18:00] <darkxploit> so that you can debug the problem
[18:01] <darkxploit> ok from the filezilla
[18:01] <marty_axel> Command:	open<EMAIL_ADDRESS>22
[18:01] <marty_axel> Command:	Pass: ************
[18:01] <marty_axel> Error:	Authentication failed.
[18:01] <marty_axel> Error:	Critical error: Could not connect to server
[18:01] <marty_axel> using port 22 i need to connect,right?
[18:01] <sudormrf> darkxploit, thanks :)
[18:03] <marty_axel> let`s say i make this work. The goal is to connect to the server using public ip
[18:03] <darkxploit> dude 22 is ssh
[18:03] <darkxploit> u said ftp server is running on port 21
[18:03] <darkxploit> connect on port 21
[18:04] <marty_axel> Response:	500 OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable root inside chroot()
[18:04] <darkxploit> no worries sudormrt... are you having anymore problem
[18:04] <marty_axel> Error:	Critical error: Could not connect to server
[18:04] <darkxploit> ok
[18:04] <darkxploit> now u need to know which folder that you want to access
[18:04] <darkxploit> on filezilla you need to specify which folder that you want to access
[18:05] <darkxploit> and on the server you need to give specific permission
[18:05] <darkxploit> do one thing
[18:05] <marty_axel> home/marius/files
[18:05] <darkxploit> what is the output of ls -lha /home/marius/files
[18:06] <kevinde> lordievader: I`m at home now, Ive tried ip link but it only detects the lo interface
[18:06] <kevinde> lordievader: Does this mean it is a driver issue?
[18:07] <marty_axel> total 8.0k
[18:07] <darkxploit> kevinde, if u dont mind me interrupting you..? are u trying to access a virtual server on vmware or vbox ?
[18:07] <darkxploit> no marrt
[18:07] <darkxploit> ls -l /home/marius/files
[18:07] <marty_axel> drwr-xr-x 2 root root
[18:07] <darkxploit> lol
[18:07] <darkxploit> of course if wont work
[18:07] <lordievader> kevinde: Possible, what does dmesg say about it?
[18:07] <darkxploit> because the user is root
[18:07] <marty_axel> dr-xr-xr-x 4 root root
[18:08] <darkxploit> and the group is root
[18:08] <marty_axel> my head hurts :D
[18:09] <darkxploit> does the user marius exist on the server
[18:09] <darkxploit> what is the output of cat /etc/passwd | grep -i marrius
[18:10] <marty_axel> marius:x:1000:1000:administrator
[18:10] <darkxploit> ok
[18:10] <kevinde> lordievader:  Ive got 2 different errors here, xhci_hcd 0000:00:14:0: ERROR no room on ep ring     &  phy0 -> rt2x00usb_vendor_request: Error - Vendor Request 0x07 failed for offset 0x1700 with error - 12.
[18:10] <marty_axel> he needs to connect,marius is my boss :D
[18:10] <kevinde> darkxploit: I am not :)
[18:11] <lordievader> kevinde: Those are both usb related.
[18:11] <marty_axel> i need to connect using my public ip,not localip
[18:11] <darkxploit> marty_axel, fire this command chown -R marius:marius /home/marius/files
[18:11] <marty_axel> remember
[18:11] <lordievader> kevinde: You said lspci showed it?
[18:11] <marty_axel> invalid group marius
[18:12] <darkxploit> marty_axel, fire this command chown -R marius:root /home/marius/files
[18:12] <marty_axel> ok
[18:12] <marty_axel> it worked
[18:12] <kevinde> lspci shows Ethernet Controller: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection I217-V (rev 04)   that must be my onboard motherboard nic if im correct
[18:12] <darkxploit> now access the server from the filezilla
[18:12] <marty_axel> not working,probably i need to restart vsftpd ?
[18:13] <darkxploit> no
[18:13] <marty_axel> ok,still not working,same error
[18:13] <darkxploit> its not needed
[18:13] <lordievader> kevinde: Could you pastebin the output of 'lspci -k|grep Ethernet'.
[18:14] <marty_axel> so you know i have some modifications made in vsftpd.conf
[18:14] <darkxploit> are u sure u did a telnet on port 21
[18:14] <darkxploit> and not on 22
[18:14] <darkxploit> ues
[18:14] <darkxploit> yes
[18:14] <marty_axel> yes
[18:14] <marty_axel> on port 21 i did telnet
[18:15] <darkxploit> the tutorial looks fine
[18:15] <marty_axel> anyway, what are you telling me to do now,it worked a few hours ago
[18:16] <marty_axel> but couldn t make it work using public ip
[18:16] <darkxploit> something is sure
[18:16] <darkxploit> the problem is within the server
[18:16] <darkxploit> its not with the ip
[18:16] <marty_axel> noo
[18:16] <kevinde> lordievader: hang on
[18:16] <marty_axel> the problem is in vsftpd.conf,i m sure
[18:16] <darkxploit> because the telnet test was ok from client to server
[18:16] <darkxploit> yes
[18:17] <marty_axel> but how do i connect to my public ip?
[18:17] <marty_axel> that s the real problem
[18:17] <darkxploit> u can connect to the server using mobaxterm on windows
[18:17] <marty_axel> i can say pasv_address : 5.2.x.x
[18:17] <darkxploit> then u wont need ftp etc..
[18:17] <marty_axel> i need using filezilla,because that`s what it is now
[18:18] <darkxploit> u can transfer file easily
[18:18] <marty_axel> on computers and on the other servers
[18:18] <marty_axel> server*
[18:18] <darkxploit> yes but with mobaxterm its more easy
[18:18] <marty_axel> i don t argue with you
[18:18] <darkxploit> but since u need ftp
[18:18] <marty_axel> but i m a simple employee
[18:18] <marty_axel> with 1 month of practice
[18:18] <darkxploit> lol
[18:18] <marty_axel> just finished college
[18:18] <marty_axel> :D
[18:18] <darkxploit> i am not an employee
[18:19] <marty_axel> i never put my hands on linux before, never :D
[18:20] <marty_axel> i m not an employee,i`m in probation :))
[18:20] <darkxploit> did u followed this part as well ---> sudo useradd -m john -g ftpaccess -s /usr/sbin/nologin
[18:20] <marty_axel> so it s important for me to fix this... since i m not in my home town and rents are over the roof 70% of my salary goes on rent
[18:20] <marty_axel> yes
[18:20] <darkxploit> the goal is to create the ftpaccess file
[18:21] <darkxploit> i would recommend you to do a test on 2 vbox machine
[18:22] <kevinde> lordievader:  http://www.pastebin.com/FmuvsnJv
[18:22] <darkxploit> i cannot help anymore.. feeling sleepy now.. its 22 25 here
[18:22] <darkxploit> sorry
[18:23] <marty_axel> ok,one more question
[18:23] <marty_axel> quickly
[18:23] <darkxploit> yes
[18:23] <marty_axel> how do i exit a file
[18:23] <marty_axel> that i edit it in readonly
[18:23] <darkxploit> from where
[18:23] <marty_axel> :D
[18:23] <marty_axel> vi /etc/vsftpd.conf
[18:23] <darkxploit> oops
[18:23] <darkxploit> ok so
[18:23] <marty_axel> witouth sudo, so i cant :wq
[18:23] <darkxploit> put caps lock
[18:24] <darkxploit> press ZZ fast
[18:24] <darkxploit> if it dont work
[18:24] <darkxploit> press esc
[18:24] <darkxploit> press :
[18:24] <darkxploit> i mean type :
[18:24] <marty_axel> yes
[18:24] <darkxploit> q!
[18:24] <lordievader> kevinde: Err, I wasn't paying attention. I meant 'lspci -k|grep -A2 Ethernet', sorry.
[18:25] <marty_axel> with !
[18:25] <marty_axel> okey
[18:25] <darkxploit> yes
[18:25] <marty_axel> thank you
[18:25] <darkxploit> another option is press Esc
[18:25] <marty_axel> have a good night, and thank you for your time, i deeply appreciate it
[18:25] <darkxploit> and do ZZ fas
[18:25] <darkxploit> fast
[18:25] <marty_axel> it worked,thanks :P
[18:26] <darkxploit> if it still dont work
[18:26] <kevinde> lordievader: http://www.pastebin.com/sViE0AmC
[18:26] <darkxploit> i can help u tommorow
[18:26] <darkxploit> right now i am tired
[18:27] <marty_axel> okey, thank you,i`ll search for you tomorrow then
[18:27] <plm> Hi all
[18:27] <plm> $./app.sh 2>> error.log -> how I do to add datetime when each error happen?
[18:27] <darkxploit> marty_axel, i am sending u a private message
[18:28] <lordievader> kevinde: Is the module e1000e loaded?
[18:29] <kevinde> lordievader: lsmod doesnt list that
[18:29] <lordievader> kevinde: Try to load it.
[18:32] <kevinde> lordievader: loaded the module but it did not do anything
[18:32] <lordievader> kevinde: You can confirm it is loaded?
[18:33] <lordievader> kevinde: What is the output of "sudo modinfo e1000e|grep version"
[18:34] <kevinde> lordievader: I do not see the module in lsmod after mod probbing it, Will post the output of modinfo shortly
[18:39] <kevinde> lordievader: http://pastebin.com/JnGNkzFz
[18:42] <lordievader> kevinde: I get the feeling that your version of e1000e does not yet support your card.
[18:43] <lordievader> !info linux-image-generic precise
[18:43] <kevinde> lordievader: It worked in the past, Would upgrading to 14.04 help by any chance?
[18:44] <kevinde> I am using 12.04 LTS at the moment
[18:45] <lordievader> kevinde: Check if 2.3.2-k does support the I217-V.
[18:51] <kevinde> lordievader: where could I find the supported network cards for that version? I tried looking for it. (I found this also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1182878 ) perhaps enabling HWE stack woul fix this?
[18:58] <lordievader> kevinde: Intel's site states that it does: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?DwnldID=22887&lang=en
[19:01] <kevinde> lordievader: Should I upgrade the e1000e manually?
[19:02] <lordievader> kevinde: I'd rather not. Unless you can assure that the module is compatible with your kernel version.
[19:03] <kevinde> lordievader: If I am correct and enable HWE stack this should install the newest e1000e after updating?
[19:04] <lordievader> No idea, I am not familiar with HWE.
[19:18] <kevinde> lordievader: Ok, I will give it a shot. Thanks alot for the help, really really appreciate it.
[19:18] <lordievader> kevinde: No problem.
[20:40] <x86bit> Hi
[20:41] <x86bit> I need some help setting up my proftpd server, I cant seem to access it from out side my network
[20:41] <x86bit> I have port forward 21
[21:11] <x86bit> I need some help setting up my proftpd server, I cant seem to access it from out side my network (Sorry my connection timed out )
[21:33] <x86bit>  I need some help setting up my proftpd server, I cant seem to access it from out side my network
[21:36] <rberg_> doesn't ftp server need port 20 and 21? more if in passive mode
[21:37] <x86bit> it is on 21
[21:38] <x86bit> I can only access it from home as i have changed my hosts file to point my domain to the local servers internal ip
[21:38] <shauno> it's not *only* 21 though.  ftp is evil, not only because it's plaintext, but because the protocol was written by someone who hates you.
[21:38] <shauno> (I just label it "here be dragons" and ignore it.)
[21:39] <rberg_> 21 cmd, 20 data
[21:39] <x86bit> My friend to me to use MasqueradeAddress
[21:39] <x86bit> and a passive port range
[21:39] <lordievader> x86bit: Using scp ain't an option?
[21:40] <x86bit> It is but, I want to setup webhosting and I use sentora and it currently uses ftp for file transfer
[21:40] <x86bit> Clients dont want to use a program like scp
[21:41] <x86bit> So do i need to port out to 20 as well ?
[21:41] <rberg_> and a passive range
[21:42] <rberg_> http://slacksite.com/other/ftp.html seems like a good read
[21:42] <rberg_> heh pure evil is ftps :)
[21:43] <x86bit> I will try to set port 20 to port out as that might be the problem
[21:43] <x86bit> haha
[21:46] <x86bit> here is my config
[21:46] <x86bit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9810366/
[21:50] <x86bit> I get this error with scp http://puu.sh/eQcpn/a66dda446d.png
[21:54] <x86bit> Its very odd that all i can say
[21:56] <lordievader> x86bit: Looks like a firewall.
[21:57] <x86bit> A firewall on the server ?
[21:59] <x86bit> Wait a sec. If I comment on the MasqueradeAddress it works
[21:59] <x86bit> But only internally
[22:06] <lordievader> A firewall somewhere, check nmap or something.
[22:08] <x86bit> Yeah ok,  I will have a look
[22:11] <x86bit> I have to get on the road now but I will have a crack at it later
[22:11] <x86bit> Thank you everyone that helped


[00:48] <johnc4510> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter #187 is now available:
[00:48] <johnc4510> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue187
[21:25] <joey> johnc4510:  you do good work sir :-)
[21:28] <johnc4510> thx bud
[21:30]  * pleia2 cheers for johnc4510
[21:30] <johnc4510> :) thx
[21:30] <pleia2> :)
[21:32] <joey> btw johnc4510, I just took that post and mailed it to the entire Canonical staff as well. :-)   Along with a little footnote for some aubergine Lucid face-lift loving. :-)
[21:32] <johnc4510> cool, we love facelifts  ROFL
[21:34] <johnc4510> gotta run for now....later all
[22:16] <nhandler> Great work everone on 2000 posts.
[22:53] <nhandler> akgraner: Regarding your nomination, are you interested in becoming an editor? What type of stuff would you be posting?
[23:11] <johnc4510> nhandler: she'll be posting mostly the UWN when i'm not in a position to get it done due to family, vacation, etc. she'll also be posting some news articles, if I don't have time to work on the copy....my right hand so to speak....we'd appreciate you +1 for the nomination
[23:12] <nhandler> johnc4510: I'll send in my +1 as soon as she formally accepts the nomination ;)
[23:12] <johnc4510> kk thx
[23:52] <nhandler> johnc4510: 6:00PM MST is 00:00 UTC, correct ?
[23:53] <nhandler> johnc4510: You also might want to add the meeting to the Fridge


[13:11] <mani990> join #ubuntu-tam
[14:11] <tester> i'm not able to do scp file transfer or any other ssh job like sftp .....any help ???   http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000818