[02:11] <jrib> Jack_Sparrow: repeat offender?
[02:11] <Jack_Sparrow> yep
[02:12] <Jack_Sparrow> Ill remove it in a minute
[04:49] <jrib> Budget_Casket<EMAIL_ADDRESS>CoffinSaver<EMAIL_ADDRESS>  so far so I banned *!?=kjkdsajk@*
[05:49] <persia> Good day.  Could someone either bless or replace the bug announce bot that is now in ubuntu-bugs-announce?  mrooney is the wrangler for MikeBotu
[05:50] <persia> Essentially, I don't want it to die just for being a bot, as it provides a good service, but if the bot is otherwise unfortunate, something else ought do that job.
[05:52] <Hobbsee> persia: er, what?
[05:53] <persia> Hobbsee: mrooney put a bug-announce bot in ubuntu-bugs-announce.  Having a bug announce bot is good.  On the other hand, there's typically a no-bots policy.
[05:53] <Hobbsee> persia: that's fine.
[05:53] <persia> I just wanted to either get that bot specifically permitted so it didn't run afoul of the no bots policy, or for someone to put an already whitelisted bot there.
[05:53] <persia> Ah.  Cool.  Thanks.
[05:53] <Hobbsee> persia: well, prior to this, i doubt many people knew about it :)
[05:53] <Hobbsee> persia: the standard stuff about keeping it silent where it's not supposed to be, etc, apply
[05:54] <persia> It just started up about three hours ago.
[05:54] <Hobbsee> oh :)
[05:55] <Hobbsee> persia: it shoudln't be a problem
[05:55] <persia> Hobbsee: Thanks for the confirmation.  Just wanted to make sure.
[05:55] <Hobbsee> persia: OTOH, i'm not actually on the team anymore
[05:56] <persia> Hobbsee: That's OK.  You've probably extracted sufficient detail from my that if anyone else has an opinion, it can be resolved with mrooney in a collaborative manner.
[05:57] <nickrud> Hobbsee I don't think you'll be allowed to do that, by the way ;)
[05:58] <Hobbsee> nickrud: why?
[06:00] <nickrud> someone has to agitate for improvements. I don't think you should give up this easily (or, from my perspective, seems easily)
[06:01] <persia> nickrud: One doesn't have to hold a role to comment.  Frequently, it's easier to comment when one doesn't have a role.
[06:02]  * persia runs away, suddenly reminded as to the name of the channel
[06:02] <nickrud> persia very true, I've been vocal for years. Only got sucked into this recently myself
[06:10] <Hobbsee> nickrud: yeah, i can see hwo it might be seen as giving up
[06:10] <Hobbsee> nickrud: hopefully it'll be for the greater good, though
[06:10] <nickrud> Hobbsee if it's ok with you, I'll think of it as a sabbatical
[06:36] <bazhang> ban evasion number 3 from ragasagar
[06:36] <bazhang> err ragsagar
[06:37] <bazhang> 3rd ban evasion sufficient reason to ban again?
[06:39] <bazhang> ragsagar<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[06:41] <bazhang> okay..absent any guidance on this issue, will ban for 3rd ban evasion.
[06:45] <Hobbsee> bazhang: er, how is it ban evasion, if he's not banned in teh first place?
[06:47] <bazhang> Hobbsee, were the bantracker bans cleared?
[06:49] <bazhang> the same user using different IPs is not considered ban evasion? Am I getting this mixed up?
[06:51] <Hobbsee> bazhang: no, it is considered ban evasion
[06:52]  * Hobbsee would have considered the first evasion ban evasion, too
[06:52] <Hobbsee> hadn't realised it was on different IP's
[06:52] <bazhang> Hobbsee, well he is banned for that name (ragsagar), also kracker, and now ragsagar again
[06:53] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[06:53] <bazhang> "mediation" was a series of expletives quite a long while ago (more than two weeks iirc)
[06:53] <Hobbsee> yeha, go ahead.  that's pretty clear evasion
[06:53] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:53] <Hobbsee> gotta love people like tat
[06:54] <bazhang> then as 'kracker' he was laying the f-bomb on trit-ium and myself after repeated warnings to watch the language (apart from the whole ban evasion issue)
[06:54] <Hobbsee> tasty.
[06:55] <Hobbsee> why are you even in negotiations with this guy, again?
[06:56] <bazhang> Hobbsee, difficult to see how mediation will help at this point
[06:56] <Hobbsee> well, yeah
[06:56] <Hobbsee> honestly, i'd leave it for a couple mroe weeks, and see if the guy comes back sane.
[06:57] <Hobbsee> no need to take excessive abuse
[06:57] <bazhang> at least he is not quoting the bible or siccing botnets on the network, so there is that.
[06:57] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:58] <bazhang> hi Jordan_U :)
[07:03] <Jordan_U> bazhang, hi
[07:17] <bazhang> disinformation express rides again
[07:18] <Myrtti> örg
[07:19] <bazhang> robg
[07:19] <Myrtti> good morning
[07:21] <Myrtti> !kwallet
[07:21] <Myrtti> objections? ^
[07:22] <Myrtti> oh, too long
[07:25] <Myrtti> bazhang: I see what you mean
[07:26] <bazhang> Myrtti, :)
 Shadow420: I do not have the impression that software is able to destroy hardware
[07:58] <tonyyarusso> oh, it is.
[08:32] <jussi01> Morning all
[08:32] <Hobbsee> evening
[08:33] <Hobbsee> my car doesn't start.
[08:33] <jussi01> Hobbsee: doh! what kind of car?
[08:35] <Hobbsee> jussi01: 2005 toyota yaris.  looks like a battery issue.
[08:36] <jussi01> Hobbsee: ouch. that sucks. did you leave the lights on?
[08:36] <Hobbsee> nope
[08:37] <Hobbsee> at least, i don't think so
[08:37] <ikonia> Hobbsee: not even the internal light
[08:38] <Hobbsee> ikonia: i don't *think* so.
[08:38] <Hobbsee> the doors usually shut properly
[08:38] <ikonia> I've turned the light on to check something and forgot tot turn it off, so it stayed on with the door shut, killed my battery
[08:38] <ikonia> could just be a faulty battery too
[08:39] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, Can't be push / jump started ?
[08:41] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: i just called the roadside assistance, so they'll come out and fix it.
[08:41] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: i really don't want it to die again, where there will be no one around, at work, coming hom eagain
[08:43] <jussi01> RACV - Where you are a member, not a number... call up, first thig they ask, could I have your membership number please?
[08:45] <ikonia> eyeball on blessed_guess: pining the #ubuntu channel
[08:46] <Hobbsee> jussi01: hehe, yeah, ours does that too.
[08:46] <jussi01> Hobbsee: :D
[08:46] <Hobbsee> jussi01: actually, they asked me for rego number and name, whcih is probably quicker.
[08:47] <Hobbsee> they usually ask for membership number
[08:47] <jussi01> true, but its kinda dfunny
[08:48] <Myrtti> does anyone remember from Ubuntu planet, there's been these meme things with people listing the apps they've got open
[08:49] <Myrtti> many are running gnome-terminal and there's been an upcoming trend to use Terminator, but what was the another "newish" term app that people have been using?
[08:49] <Myrtti> I'm getting frustrated with xfce4-terminal and screen co-operation
[08:49] <ikonia> eterm ?
[08:51]  * jussi01 huggles yakuake
[08:52] <Myrtti> perhaps it was tilda
[08:54] <Myrtti> which tries the same as yakuake
[08:56]  * jussi01 wishes tere was a planet.ubuntu.com archive
[08:56] <Myrtti> I ♥ rssowl
[08:59] <Myrtti> grrhhh
[09:03] <Myrtti> there
[09:03] <Myrtti> better
[09:04] <Myrtti> now the question is "what about urls"
[09:43] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[11:13] <Myrtti> woo, headache
[12:14] <elky> hmm, where do i know the nick 'agent_bob' from?
[12:24] <bazhang> caveat emptor
[12:27] <elky> o.O
[12:31] <bazhang> ragsagar again?
[12:31] <Pici> hm?
[12:31] <bazhang> this is 4th ban evasion in two days
[12:31] <PriceChild> Why is he evading?
[12:33] <bazhang> rhetorically speaking?
[12:36] <PriceChild> @btlogin
[12:37] <elky> i assume the same reason any twit evades
[12:37] <PriceChild> bazhang: was it just stupid advice giving and general annoyingness the first time?
[12:38] <bazhang> PriceChild, if the bar were only set that low.
[12:46] <bazhang> first ban was : during mute/mediation he switched nicks and re-entered channel
[12:47] <bazhang> second ban was as ban evasion ragsagar
[12:47] <PriceChild> what was he muted for?
[12:47] <bazhang> third was kracker laying f-bombs on trit-ium and myself after repeated warnings (apart from ban evasion)
[12:48] <bazhang> fourth-->well if ban evasion is okey-dokey then there will be no fourth ban
[12:48] <elky> ban evasion is supposed to be a network no-no afaik
[12:57] <jussi01> elky: agent_bob is intelikey
[12:58] <jussi01> can be a little annoying, but generally a good helper
[12:58] <elky> oh.
[13:00] <bazhang> well, at this point he shall remain unbanned for this fourth offense-->not really sure about policy in this regard anymore.
[13:15] <elky> oh lovely. user 'knoppix' in #ubuntu is arbitrarily messaging people...
[13:15] <elky> oh, why the heck am i opped up in there?
[13:16] <Pici> better than arbitrarily massaging people.
[13:16] <elky> Pici, intent still unknown.
[13:17] <Hobbsee> elky: nothing you can really do about it, unfortunately
[13:17] <elky> Hobbsee, plenty i *can* do about it...
[13:17] <Hobbsee> elky: not long term, though.
[13:17]  * PriceChild hopes that wasn't another dig at freenode
[13:17] <Hobbsee> well
[13:17] <elky> Hobbsee, not within certain rulesets either.
[13:17] <Hobbsee> elky: *grin*
[13:18] <elky> PriceChild, well... freenode does share some of the rules, but no.
[13:20] <bazhang> the reason for ragsagar's initial mute was abusiveness towards others and continued after warnings to the best of my and the logs recollections.
[13:20]  * elky rather wonders why some high-profile project names are registrable though... we'd at least be able to comment on the user 'debian' that harrasses #freenode without insulting a major upstream
[13:21] <Pici> seveas owns ubuntu iirc.
[13:21] <Pici> er, the nick rather.
[13:21] <elky> Pici, yep. but for the same reasons that it shouldnt be registrable
[13:22] <elky> anyway, i need an early night... if half an hour earlier than usual is considered an 'early night'
[13:22] <Pici> Goodnight then ;)
[13:24] <bazhang> if aggression towards others is not a acceptable rationale for a simple mute, then the channel will soon be unusable.
[13:25] <Hobbsee> bazhang: which makes it very important that people are actually behaving in similar ways, yes.  Good luck in judging what might be right or wrong, when that isn't happening.
[13:26] <Hobbsee> bazhang: i would assume that the general view is that it's not acceptable.
[13:26] <bazhang> okay Hobbsee thanks.
[13:27] <Hobbsee> np
[13:58] <Myrtti> Pici: I was just wondering why you're applying for membership in EMEA meeting... that's all.
[13:58] <Pici> Myrtti: The time works out better for me.
[13:58] <Myrtti> okies
[13:59] <Pici> I was 'huh?'ing about the remark of not applying on some depreciated page anyway.
[13:59] <Myrtti> oh
[13:59] <Myrtti> your name is still there
[13:59] <Myrtti> or was yesterday
[13:59] <Pici> Where?
[14:00] <Pici> Or, rather, which was the depreciated page?
[14:00] <bazhang> ubuntu membership based on coding/maintaining packages or other
[14:00] <Myrtti> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[14:00] <Pici> !membershio
[14:00] <Pici> !membership
[14:00] <Pici> bazhang: Based on all sorts of things
[14:00] <bazhang> right.
[14:01] <Pici> bazhang: Mostly IRC support for me ;)
[14:01] <bazhang> Pici, :) thanks-->then you are a shoo-in
[14:01] <Myrtti> Pici: ^
[14:02] <Pici> A few weeks ago, someone was remarking about the cloaks in here and was surprised that I wasn't a member already.
[14:02] <bazhang> entirely understandable.
[14:03] <Myrtti> cloaking device ENGAGE!
[14:05]  * Pici is a bit ashamed that he knows that the federation doesnt allow cloaking devices
[14:05] <Myrtti> did you take your name off already?
[14:05] <Pici> Huh?
[14:06] <Myrtti> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[14:06] <Pici> Myrtti: Oh, no, I forgot.  /me removes
[14:21] <ikonia> Pici: it was part of the kidimere accord that the federation would not research cloaking technology, this treaty was endagered by Admiral Eric Pressman by using experimental phased cloaking technology on the US Pegasus
[14:21] <ikonia> Pici: now tell me your ashamed ;)
[14:22] <ikonia> ahhh the treaty of algeron, not the kidimer accord
[14:23] <Pici> ikonia: Impressive, ;)
[14:23] <ikonia> I cannot be beat
[14:23] <Myrtti> I want my head to be shot off
[14:23] <Myrtti> why do I get these headaches at the most inconvenient times
[14:28] <PriceChild> bazhang: I wasn't questioning you earlier, just interested in the background.
[14:28] <Pici> Is there a convenient time for a headache?
[14:30] <bazhang> PriceChild, good to keep me on my toes :)
[14:30] <Myrtti> Pici: when you don't have anything urgent to do and can just mellow in bed
[14:32] <Myrtti> that's why drinking is often timed to the weekends
[14:32] <Myrtti> because then you can mellow in bed for saturday
[14:32] <Myrtti> or sunday
[14:34] <Myrtti> head feels like exploding soon
[14:34] <Myrtti> better take that headache pill
[14:34] <jrib> why do people drink?  I don't enjoy it at all
[14:41] <Myrtti> if this headache doesn't go away soon, it'll go even worse to a point where I'm vomiting
[14:43] <bazhang> root beer helps an upset tummy
[14:44] <Pici> Sounds pretty horrible, I'm glad I don't suffer from migranes.
[14:45] <Pici> bazhang: flat ginger ale too
[14:45] <bazhang> good to know, thanks!
[14:46] <Myrtti> @now Helsinki
[14:47] <Myrtti> goarh
[14:47] <Myrtti> that late
[14:47] <Pici> Its only at 4pm here
[14:48] <Myrtti> well atleast I'll have time to try to get this thunderstorm from my head
[14:48] <Pici> :(
[14:48] <Myrtti> and the medicine seems to be working somewhat
[14:49] <Myrtti> this is why I love ketoprofein
[14:53] <Mez> Is is worth doing soemthing similar to proxy users for ipv6 users?#
[14:53] <Myrtti> fun
[14:53] <bazhang> ooh the bible guy
[14:54] <Amaranth> PriceChild: The only reason for removing that ban is if you klined him.
[14:54] <PriceChild> Mez: why?
[14:54] <Pici> Mez: How would that be beneficial?
[14:54] <PriceChild> Amaranth: see a few lines above
[14:54] <Mez> For the fact that the only iPv6 users we have atm are trouble makers-  and it'd get rid of quite a few from the get-go ?
[14:55] <bazhang> better tell everyone to fold up shop; this guy means business.
[14:56] <Myrtti> there, headache gone ♥ well almost
[14:56] <PriceChild> Amaranth: see it?
[14:56] <Myrtti> I think I can go get some minced meat if I'm careful and wear sunglasses
[14:56] <Myrtti> and a cap.
[14:56] <Amaranth> PriceChild: That's a bit harsh, no?
[14:56] <Pici> Amaranth: This is a repeat offender
[14:56] <Amaranth> Of course I have no idea how IPv6 addresses are allocated....
[14:57] <Amaranth> But you seem to have blocked a large group
[14:57] <PriceChild> Amaranth: ipv6 is designed so that end users get /64 or /48... i forget how much... this guy will just come back near immediately
[14:57] <Pici> Mez: I see at least two ipv6 people in #ubuntu and I'm still scrolling
[14:57] <PriceChild> Amaranth: I'm unsure how much of that address is his, but i'm reasonably confident it won't get a false positive before he changes and returns
[14:59] <bazhang> ragsagar is back
[14:59] <Pici> Also, its a person, not a bot. Someone who could probably follow directions if we set up a lobby channel.
[14:59] <PriceChild> Last time it took him around a day to return to devel iirc
[15:00] <bazhang> even ipv4 (in the case of ragsagar) is easily gotten around
[15:02] <bazhang> well he is only on his 4th ban evasion, and the bible guy is at eight..
[15:03] <PriceChild> remember with evaders, klines etc. are as effective as bans
[15:03] <Pici> bazhang: I dont think a k-line is flexable enough for this sort of thing.  Probably the same issues as the ban masks
[15:03] <PriceChild> yep
[15:04] <bazhang> just ban ragsagar again then?
[15:04] <PriceChild> have a chat first
[15:04] <bazhang> last time I chatted was a string of invectives then a ban evasion during the 'chat'
[15:04] <PriceChild> hehe
[15:05] <bazhang> not so sure he got the message..
[15:44] <bazhang> iop bible guy
[15:45] <bazhang> beat you ubottu
[15:46] <bazhang> iop has quit (K-lined) yay!
[15:46] <Pici> bazhang: why not just mute/ban him yourself?
[15:46] <bazhang> Pici, too slow; you already had him
[15:47] <Pici> bazhang: But you announced it in here.. ?
[15:47] <bazhang> I was /cs kb io<tab> and he was gone
[15:47] <Pici> ah
[15:47] <bazhang> thought the name was not sufficient iirc
[15:58] <rrr> Joshua 16
[15:58] <rrr> Allotment for Ephraim and Manasseh
[15:58] <rrr>  1 The allotment for Joseph began at the Jordan of Jericho, [a] east of the waters of Jerich, and went up from there through the desert into the hill country of Bethel. 2 It went on from Bethel (that is, Luz), [b] crossed over to the territory of the Arkites in Ataroth, 3 descended westward to the territory of the Japhletites as far as the region of Lower Beth HHoron and on to Gezer, ending at the sea.  4 So Manasseh and Ephraim, the desc
[15:58] <rrr>  5 This was the territory of Ephraim, clan by clan:
[15:58] <rrr>        The boundary of their inheritance went from Ataroth Addar in the east to Upper Beth Horon 6 and continued to the sea. From Micmethath on the north it curved eastward to Taanath Shiloh, passing by it to Janoah on the east. 7 Then it went down from Janoah to Ataroth and Naarah, touched Jericho and came out at the Jordan. 8 From Tappuah the border went west to the Kanah Ravine and ended at the sea. This was the inheritance of the trib
[15:58] <rrr>  10 They did not dislodge the Canaanites living in Gezer; to this day the Canaanites live among the people of Ephraim but are required to do forced labor
[15:59] <rrr> Joshua 16
[15:59] <rrr> Allotment for Ephraim and Manasseh
[16:00]  * PriceChild wonders why chanserv deopped him
[16:04] <rtyui> Joshua 19
[16:04] <rtyui> Allotment for Simeon
[16:04] <rtyui>  1 The second lot came out for the tribe of Simeon, clan by clan. Their inheritance lay within the territory of Judah. 2 It included:
[16:04] <rtyui>        Beersheba (or Sheba), [a] Moladah, 3 Hazar Shual, Balah, Ezem, 4 Eltolad, Bethul, Hormah, 5 Ziklag, Beth Marcaboth, Hazar Susah, 6 Beth Lebaoth and Sharuhen.thirteen towns and their villages;
[16:04] <rtyui>  7 Ain, Rimmon, Ether and Ashan.four towns and their villages- 8 and all the villages around these towns as far as Baalath Beer (Ramah in the Negev).
[16:05] <rtyui>       This was the inheritance of the tribe of the Simeonites, clan by clan. 9 The inheritance of the Simeonites was taken from the share of Judah, because Judah's portion was more than they needed. So the Simeonites received their inheritance within the territory of Judah.
[16:05] <rtyui> Allotment for Zebulun
[16:05] <rtyui>  10 The third lot came up for Zebulun, clan by clan:
[16:05] <Hobbsee> PriceChild:
[16:05] <Hobbsee> rtyui: dude, go away.
[16:05] <Hobbsee> !staff
[16:05] <bazhang> poor ryan
[16:06] <tomaw> He really likes you
[16:06] <Hobbsee> apparently so
[16:08] <Hobbsee> tomaw: can't you just stop the entire subnet connecting?
[16:08] <PriceChild> Sorry about that ryanakca.
[16:08] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: that changes too
[16:08]  * Hobbsee forwards the subnet to here, for a start
[16:08] <PriceChild> I think the 2001:470 has stayed the same, but can't be sure
[16:08] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: looks like they've all been from 2001:470:1f14:e8:ac3f:43ea:a32e: coming in here
[16:09] <PriceChild> I was referring to past activity in -devel also
[16:09]  * PriceChild reminds himself about what his triggers do.
[16:09] <Hobbsee> darn.
[16:10]  * Hobbsee wonders just how many people are on that subnet.
[16:10]  * PriceChild wonders what exactly was klined.
[16:10] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: save yourself from the pain and don't wonder ;-)
[16:11] <Myrtti> tilda is nice for everything else but irssi... *sigh*
[16:15] <Seeker`> Myrtti: terminator is better :P
[16:15] <bazhang> where is hurricane electric anyways?
[16:15] <Hobbsee> bazhang: dallas, why?
[16:16] <Seeker`> bazhang: "whois he.net"
[16:16] <bazhang> Hobbsee, Seeker` thanks
[16:16] <Hobbsee> looking at it, it appears to be in multiple places.
[16:16] <bazhang> just trying to figure out the real motivation behind this crankcase
[16:17] <Hobbsee> many companies, and individuals, would be leasing stuff out of that DC
[16:18] <Hobbsee> bazhang: er, you do realise that HE has a free, ipv6 tunnel, don't you?
[16:18] <Hobbsee> # Ability to get your own /48 prefix once your tunnel is up
[16:18] <Hobbsee> so, presumably these are different tunnels
[16:18] <bazhang> Hobbsee, he?
[16:19] <Hobbsee> so you're only going to be able to block the /48's individually
[16:19] <Hobbsee> bazhang: hurricane electric.
[16:19] <bazhang> Hobbsee, sorry my mistake :)
[16:19] <bazhang> so could, be a 'she' :)
[16:20] <hellboy> Joshua 21
[16:20] <hellboy> Towns for the Levites
[16:20] <hellboy>  1 Now the family heads of the Levites approached Eleazar the priest, Joshua son of Nun, and th heads of the other tribal families of Israel 2 at Shiloh in Canaan and said to them, "The LORD commanded through Moses that you give us towns to live in, with pasturelands for our livestock." 3 So, as the LORD had commanded, the Israelites gave the Levites the following towns and  pasturelands out of their own inheritance:  4 The first
[16:20] <Hobbsee> tomaw: and again.
[16:21] <Hobbsee> tomaw: can you ban that /48?
[16:21] <Hobbsee> that might stop the trouble today
[16:21] <Hobbsee> (as it seems that my forward worked?)
[16:22] <bazhang> it does indeed :)
[16:23] <bazhang> frankly that guy is freaking me out a bit.
[16:23] <Hobbsee> bazhang: why?  he's a freaking nutcase, plain and simple.
[16:23] <soundray> Please have an eye on boselect in #ubuntu
[16:25] <Hobbsee> tomaw: and again.
[16:25] <Hobbsee> tomaw: you need more efficient klines.
[16:25] <stdin> soundray: they already left
[16:25] <Myrtti> Seeker`: in theory yes. I've been unable to input such rare characters as @, ä, ö and å in it, though.
[16:25] <Hobbsee> got him.
[16:26] <Myrtti> woo, now å äö works, but not @
[16:27] <Seeker`> Myrtti: The channel is #terminator if you want to report bugs, or launchpad *hinthint*
[16:27] <Hobbsee> ytrewq: fail.
[16:27] <Hobbsee> ytrewq: i win, you lose.  please go away and die.
[16:28] <Hobbsee> then we'll see how you get dealt with.
[16:29]  * Hobbsee is amused.
[16:30] <Hobbsee> he still hasn't realised.
[16:31] <Hobbsee> tomaw: so, er...
[16:31] <Hobbsee> tomaw: can i ask a question?
[16:31]  * Hobbsee muhahahahahaha
[16:31]  * Hobbsee wins.
[16:32] <Seeker`> Hobbsee: is he muted in here?
[16:32] <nalioth> Seeker`: backscroll
[16:32] <stdin> Seeker`: [16:25]* Hobbsee sets ban on %*!*@2001:470:1f14:e8:ac3f:43ea:a32e:*
[16:32] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: yup
[16:32] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: forwarded from #ubuntu to here, and muted in here.
[16:32] <Seeker`> cool
[16:33] <Hobbsee> nalioth: woudl it be wrong to save you guys some work, and forward him to an autokline channel?
[16:33] <PriceChild> If they exist it would most definitely be wrong for you to do that Hobbsee.
[16:33] <tomaw> Hobbsee: sure, you can ask
[16:33] <ppw> haha
[16:33] <ppw> ha
[16:33] <Seeker`> hi ppw
[16:33] <ppw> I win
[16:33] <Hobbsee> sodding git.
[16:34] <Hobbsee> kline away...
[16:34] <Seeker`> he wins, for small values of win
[16:34] <stdin> try %*!*@2001:470:1f14:e8:ac3f:*
[16:35] <Myrtti> hmmm?
[16:35] <Hobbsee> so nwo i've got both of them.
[16:35] <stdin> that's not right ^
[16:35] <Seeker`> nalioth: is that ban right?
[16:35] <Myrtti> nope
[16:35] <nalioth> it is stupd irssi
[16:36] <Seeker`> yay for Myrtti
[16:37] <nalioth> this is what i was trying to do: /mode #ubuntu-ops +b %2001:470:1f14:e8::/64
[16:37] <Myrtti> copypaste always works
[16:37] <nalioth> irssi fails
[16:37] <tomaw> err
[16:37] <Myrtti> nalioth: banning - you're doing it wrong
[16:37] <Myrtti> /mode +b %*!*@2001:470:1f14:e8:ac3f:*
[16:38]  * nalioth sees it just happned again
[16:38] <nalioth> Myrtti: cut it off at the e8, please
[16:38] <Myrtti> cheat.
[16:40] <Seeker`> is :470: equal to :0470: or :4700:
[16:40] <stdin> 0470
[16:40] <PriceChild> i 'think' the first... but would have to check to be sure
[16:41] <stdin> trailing digits make a difference, leading ones do not
[16:44]  * PriceChild wishes he had an ipv6 address somewhere to have a play
[16:44] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: those tunnels are free...
[16:45] <PriceChild> Maybe its my lucky day then!
[16:45] <stdin> you can use a IPv6 tunnel from a "broker"
[16:45] <bazhang> uhoh
[16:45]  * Hobbsee sighs
[16:46] <PriceChild> be back in a little
[16:46]  * Hobbsee attempts to phrase, without mentioning the word "nutcase"
[16:50] <Seeker`> what exactly do the tunnels do? just route your stuff through their connection so you end up with an ipv6 address?
[16:51] <Hobbsee> iirc, yes
[16:51] <stdin> basically send IPv6 packets over IPv4 infrastructure
[16:57] <Hobbsee> bazhang: ragsagar looks back, too
[16:58] <bazhang> Hobbsee, causing probs again? let me go look
[16:59] <Hobbsee> bazhang: just saw the nickchange.
[17:00] <bazhang> Hobbsee, he is on triple super-secret probation
[17:00] <Hobbsee> ah right
[17:01] <bazhang> if he causes no more probs, then may as well ignore him
[17:05] <Hobbsee> (wow, there are a lot there0
[17:10] <Seeker`> lo christel
[17:15]  * Hobbsee notes the silence.
[17:15]  * Hobbsee was succesful, apparently.
[17:15]  * Hobbsee crosses fingers
[17:19] <christel> hi hi Seeker` :)
[17:20] <christel> (sorry, just rejoining channels after a dc a few days ago, bit slow to respond!) :)
[17:23] <nalioth> yep, christel, when you hang out in hundreds of channels, it takes a while to rejoin them after a client whoopsee  :|
[17:24]  * Seeker` wonders how many channels christel is in
[17:25] <christel> nalioth: painfully so!
[17:26] <christel> Seeker`: around a 100 on freenode at any given time (i usually drop a few whenever ive been reconnected) and i guess about 50 across the other networks im on :)
[17:27]  * Seeker` has enough trouble keeping up with 20 or so
[17:27] <Seeker`> mainly because it seems to be a pain to switch to channels > 20 in irssi
[17:27] <Myrtti> pft
[17:28] <Myrtti> you don't have the correct bindings then
[17:28]  * PriceChild resists a bindings joke
[17:28] <Myrtti> http://koti.phnet.fi/~laxstrom/page/eng/irssi
[17:28] <Myrtti> HTH, HAND
[17:28] <Mez> PriceChild, hehe - but - it's soooo hard to resist
[17:30] <Myrtti> that'll get you to 99
[17:34] <Mez> Myrtti, not enough for me ;)
[17:35] <Myrtti> well I think binding windows up to 999 might not be problematic either
[17:36] <Myrtti> AND YOU ALL SHOULD GET TREATMENT FOR IRC ADDICTION
[17:37] <Myrtti> /me spanks everyone with over 20 channels in irc
[17:37] <PriceChild> ow
[17:37] <bazhang> I have trouble with three
[17:37] <Myrtti> :-D
[17:37] <Myrtti> lol
[17:37] <PriceChild> The key to having lots of channels, is to realise you needn't stay up to date with all of them.
[17:37] <Myrtti> yup
[17:38] <Myrtti> also trackbar
[17:38] <Hobbsee> very much so
[17:38] <Seeker`> Myrtti: I find this easier: http://pthree.org/2007/07/18/irssi-windows-1-throuh-80/
[17:39]  * jussi01 finds quassel easier :D
[17:40] <jussi01> graphic clients ftw :D
[17:40] <Myrtti> eyahgh
[17:40] <jussi01> hehe
[17:40] <Seeker`> jussi01: eww
[17:40] <Myrtti> Seeker`: that's awful
[17:41] <Seeker`> Myrtti: what is?
[17:41] <Myrtti> those keybinds
[17:41] <Seeker`> Myrtti: why?
[17:42] <Myrtti> I think Nahlu's keybindings are more logical and easier to learn, but YMMV
[17:50] <Myrtti> whee the headache is coming back
[17:55] <Randall> Hey guys
[17:56] <Randall> Sorry for the endless pasting
[17:57] <Randall> I talked to Hobbsee and worked things out
[17:59] <ffm> Hey, do any of you know the sabdfl's email address? I was going to ask if he would release http://www.markshuttleworth.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/ubuntu-release-cycle.png under a free licence for use on wikipedia.
[17:59] <PriceChild> ffm: i think its his first name at ubuntu.com
[17:59] <PriceChild> ffm: whatever his launchpad nick is, at ubuntu dot com
[17:59] <Mez> PriceChild, that and many many more ;)
[17:59] <PriceChild> ffm: he's also online on irc ;)
[18:00] <mneptok> ffm: or i'm happy to forward the request
[18:00] <mneptok> choose your poison
[18:00] <tonyyarusso> pretty sure sabdfl @ u.c also works
[18:01] <tonyyarusso> mneptok will deliver the message via charades of inappropriate book titles, where the third letters of each spells your question.
[18:01] <Mez> tonyyarusso, I thought he did "adult" movies?
[18:02] <mneptok> *way* too much effort. more like a dirty cocktail napkin with the request written in BBQ sauce.
[18:02] <Mez> mneptok, isn't that the internals of rt/
[18:03] <Mez> s/\//\?/
[18:04] <Seeker`> maybe mneptok should present the quetion in the form of alternative dance
[18:04] <Seeker`> or a song in the key of S
[18:04] <ffm> mneptok: http://pastebin.ca/1031152
[18:04] <Jack_Sparrow> Are any of you following robg on Ubuntu
[18:05] <ffm> Or should I email him myself?
[18:06] <Myrtti> Jack_Sparrow: we've been looking after him the last two days
[18:06] <Jack_Sparrow> Oh my...
[18:06] <Jack_Sparrow> ok.. so it isnt just me
 robg_: i must correct my earlier statement..you are very sleepy or a little high :) <-- poked them about that line too
[18:07] <Myrtti> bazhang knows more
[18:08] <Mez> ffm - your request for that image should go through Gerry Carr. not Mark Shuttleworth
[18:08] <ffm> Mez: Who's that?
[18:09] <Seeker`> Randall: how can we help you?
[18:09] <Mez> the person who made the image
[18:10] <mneptok> ffm: have you e-mailed him? if not, i will. if you have, i'll save bandwidth.
[18:10] <Myrtti> Seeker`: mmpphhhhgghhnnnhgggg
[18:10] <ffm> mneptok: Nevermind, I'll email Carr.
[18:10] <Myrtti> Seeker`: do you see the sock?
[18:10] <mneptok> ffm: i'm in /query with Gerry now.
[18:10] <Mez> mneptok, surely it's internal bandwidth ?
[18:10] <mneptok> :)
[18:10] <Seeker`> Myrtti: ?
[18:11] <ffm> mneptok: ok, that will work.
[18:11] <Myrtti> Seeker`: /bans
[18:14] <Myrtti> mmm candy
[18:20] <jussi01> hrm... are there any wordress experts here?
[18:22] <Pici> I've installed wordpress a few times
[18:23] <jussi01> Pici: see -offtopic
[18:23] <Pici> I am ;)
[18:23] <jussi01> :)
[18:40] <jpds> nixternal: reboot?
[18:58] <nixternal> jpds: updated kernel
[18:59] <jpds> OK.
[19:20] <Seeker`> may want to keep an eye on thomas_ in #u. Keeps on speaking french, and doesn't actually appear to want support
[19:20] <Seeker`> or to offer it
[19:24] <jpds> on it
[19:24] <jpds> soundray: I'm watching him
[19:26] <soundray> jpds: aren't two three-star swearwords enough? He clearly isn't there for any kind of constructive purpose
[19:26] <jpds> soundray: one more change and then, err, *BOOM*
[19:27] <PriceChild> He's playing dumb in PM.
[19:27] <jpds> PriceChild: yep, same here
[19:27] <Seeker`> CN is being quite persistant
[19:27] <PriceChild> Claiming not to understand, but understanding enough to understand me when I ask what he doesn't understand.
[19:27] <PriceChild> Seeker`: CN?
[19:28] <Seeker`> user in #u
[19:28] <Seeker`> keeps on speaking chinese
[19:29] <PriceChild> do a temporary ban forward on cn if need be
[19:29] <PriceChild> use kick, not remove though
[19:30] <PriceChild> ah, disappeared
[19:30] <jpds> PriceChild: damn, auto_bleh has no banforward
[19:30] <jpds> (with kick, just reveom)
[19:34] <Myrtti> might have a troll in #u
[19:34] <Seeker`> Myrtti: Just one?
[19:34] <Myrtti> one really prominent one
[19:37] <Myrtti> great, now he's in -offtopic
[19:51] <jussi01> PriceChild: ping
[20:07] <PriceChild> jussi01: pong
[20:19] <ffm> Is the current and prior launchpad logos free?
[20:20] <ffm> (as in commons-free)
[20:25] <PriceChild> ffm: #launchpad?
[20:26] <PriceChild> seisen is asking me about getting his ubuntu/member cloak back.
[20:26] <PriceChild> nalioth: elky LjL ^
[20:28] <nalioth> is he active in Ubuntu stuff?
[20:29] <PriceChild> I think he's still active on the forums and things, he asked me from the #ubuntuforums-beginners team channel
[20:35] <Myrtti> oh, lol, robg_ from aol
[20:35] <Myrtti> that figures it *all*
[20:43] <PriceChild> Well that was reasonably easy to get irssi and an ipv6 tunnel working
[20:43]  * PriceChild has a quick play
[20:46] <Myrtti> oh dear
[20:46] <Myrtti> 15 minutes before the meeting starts
[20:47] <Seeker`> :O
[20:47] <Myrtti> @now Helsinki
[20:48] <Myrtti> fortunately I'm probably the last one on the list
[21:09] <Pici> Blah.
[21:10] <Pici> Of course today had to be the day where some crisis came up 5 minutes before I was going to leave.
[21:10] <Myrtti> of course
[21:12] <Pici> huh, seveas is in #ubuntu-meeting?
[21:12] <Seeker`> it would seem so
[21:12] <jpds> Pici: yeah, he's in the council
[21:12] <Pici> jpds: buh?
[21:12] <Seeker`> the membership EMEA council
[21:13] <jpds> Pici: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-membership-board-emea
[21:19] <Pici> jpds: I knew Pricey was... honestly never noticed Seveas's name there.
[21:19]  * Pici is on todays EMEA list
[21:22]  * PriceChild tries to organise his mind into words, and fails.
[21:22]  * jpds takes a good look at the list and thinks "Damn, loads of people to support"
[21:23] <Pici> PriceChild: I think you did fine
[21:23] <Pici> jpds: argh, I just figured out who you are. STOP CHANGING YOUR NAME
[21:24] <Seeker`> what was jpds' old nick?
[21:24] <jpds> Seeker`: /whois
[21:24] <Pici> jpatrick, jdavies....
[21:24] <jussi01> +1 Pici
[21:24] <Pici> jjacobjinglewhateverthatthisis
[21:29] <jpds> ikonia: you there right?
[21:45] <jrib> !no, w32codecs is <alias> medibuntu
[21:46] <Myrtti> !w64codecs
[21:47] <jpds> PriceChild: my support don't count? :(
[21:48] <Seeker`> how do you do channel specific factoids?
[21:48] <PriceChild> jpds: nope :P
[21:48] <PriceChild> hehe yes sorry
[21:49] <jpds> Seeker`: !fact-#channel
[21:49] <Myrtti> I'm getting nervous, the other guys are so good.
[21:49] <jussi01> Seeker`: !factoid-#channel
[21:49] <Pici> Myrtti:  I'm still trying to put together my intro
[21:49] <jussi01> jpds: you are always too quick for me...
[21:49] <Pici> I keep writing stuff and then deleting it
[21:49] <jpds> jussi01: spooky heh
[21:49] <jussi01> Pici: Myrtti take a chill pill :D
[21:49] <Myrtti> Pici: oh shush
[21:50] <jussi01> jpds: not really - you type faster than me..
[21:50] <Pici> Myrtti: you shush
[21:50] <Myrtti> my wikipage is puny
[21:50] <jpds> Myrtti: it's in quantity, it's quality! :D
[21:50] <jussi01> Myrtti: but you have cheerers also
[21:51] <Myrtti> yeah. My boss, who just got approved himself :-D
[21:51] <Myrtti> though, I must admit, I cheered him :-D
[21:52] <Myrtti> (and now Tm_T has a permission to kick me in the leg for doing it)
[21:54] <jrib> Myrtti, Pici: wow, you guys are all the way at the bottom of the list...
[21:54] <Pici> jrib: Thats because I moved myself from the Americas list to this list a bit late.
[21:55] <Pici> Rather, I removed myself from the americas list and forgot to add myself here.
[21:55] <jrib> ah
[21:55] <Pici> jrib: (I dont know what Myrtti's excuse is)
[21:55]  * Pici runs
[21:56] <Myrtti> I've been dillydallying with the idea for years, but didn't have the guts to apply until Mirv did.


[00:07] <dobey> heydrick: check the body then to see if there is one in it
[00:12] <heydrick> dobey: will do. it's hard to repro as it only happens a couple times a day
[00:45] <saiarcot895> How long does it take for the source/binary of a package to be deleted after deletion was requested?
[00:46] <nacc> saiarcot895: you mean from a PPA?
[00:46] <saiarcot895> nacc: yes
[00:46] <nacc> saiarcot895: IME, 15-20 minutes, sometimes longer if things are loaded down
[00:47] <saiarcot895> nacc: It's been about 5 hours. I'm waiting on it to be deleted so that I can upload a fix to one of the other packages (using 8.6 GB of 8 GB)
[00:51] <nacc> saiarcot895: not sure, i'm not an admin, just reporting what i've seen. It can take longer for sure. Maybe it's worse when your PPA is full like htat
[09:20] <sacarde> hi
[09:20] <sacarde> I try to install ppa from : https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php
[09:24] <sacarde> but is still valid in ubuntu-15.04 ?
[15:27] <sacarde> I try to install ppa from : https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php
[15:27] <sacarde> but is still valid in ubuntu-15.04 ?
[15:31] <teward> sacarde: 15.04 is End of Life
[15:31] <teward> sacarde: it does not provide 15.04 packages, I believe ondrej removed those
[15:32] <sacarde> ah
[15:32] <sacarde> ok
[15:32] <teward> sacarde: yeah, he erased the Vivid packages
[15:32] <sacarde> ok ok
[15:32] <sacarde> thanks
[15:32] <teward> sacarde: Vivid went End of Life a while ago, you should at this point be upgrading your servers to Wily at least
[15:32] <teward> or to Xenial if you want long term support and newer stuff than Wily,.
[15:33] <sacarde> ok thanks a lot
[15:33] <sacarde> bye


[09:03] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:52] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:51] <BluesKaj> had 3 bash update/upgrades thru proposed, but the vulnerability check still shows my system still tests positive
[11:51] <BluesKaj> some patch that is
[11:52] <elfy> not sure what's going on there - but it works here - what check are you using?
[11:53] <BluesKaj> elfy, this one,  env VAR='() { :;}; echo Bash is vulnerable!' bash -c "echo Bash Test"
[11:55] <BluesKaj> and this one, env 'x=() { :;}; echo vulnerable' 'BASH_FUNC_x()=() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo test"
[11:56] <BluesKaj> both show "vulnerable"
[11:56] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Could you post those commands with their output?
[11:56] <elfy> http://pastebin.com/JRYFrVxz
[11:56] <elfy> working here
[11:58] <BluesKaj> lordievader, http://paste.kde.org/p2frrd02g
[12:00] <lordievader> Hmm, what version of bash are you running?
[12:00]  * lordievader reboots to Utopic to mess with stuff.
[12:05] <BluesKaj> lordievader, bash 4.3-9ubuntu4 in muon , bash --version the terminal shows: http://paste.kde.org/pdgglrqxj
[12:06] <lordievader> 4.3.0? My Trusty install notes 4.3.11. elfy what version of bash do you have on Utopic? (My Utopic is outdated)
[12:08] <lordievader> Ah I think he has just updated Bash, my version on Utopic reads: 4.3.24
[12:08] <lordievader> While I do have the same package version number...
[12:13] <elfy> Installed: 4.3-9ubuntu4
[12:14] <lordievader> elfy: And the 'bash --version' version?
[12:14] <elfy> version 4.3.24(1)-release
[12:15] <lordievader> Right, BluesKaj I think that is the problem.
[12:18] <BluesKaj> obviously the patches aren't properly installed, but why?
[12:19] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Have you reinstalled bash?
[12:19] <elfy> did you restart terminal
[12:19] <lordievader> Also what is the output of "apt-cache policy bash"?
[12:20] <elfy> it'll be bash 4.3-9ubuntu4
[12:20] <BluesKaj> it shows as installed in muon
[12:21] <BluesKaj> apt-cache policy bash shows : Installed: 4.3-9ubuntu4
[12:22] <lordievader> BluesKaj: I'd like to see the full output, please.
[12:23] <BluesKaj> http://paste.kde.org/pogk8eevm
[12:23] <BluesKaj> it's all there
[12:24] <BluesKaj> looks properly installed
[12:24] <lordievader> Hmm, should be fine indeed. Have you reinstalled bash? That might solve it...
[12:25] <elfy> the kubuntu daily is right
[12:26] <lordievader> Hehe, some gtk thing is trying to tell me my installation is broken...
[12:26] <BluesKaj> installed --reinstalled bash , but the vulnerability test still shows "vulnerable" :/
[12:27] <Daekdroom> No test shows vulnerable for me o.o
[12:33] <BluesKaj> rebooting didn't help
[12:33] <BluesKaj> something must be blocking it
[12:44] <lordievader> Yayy, my Utopic is revived :D
[13:05] <BluesKaj> I must have the wrong proposed repos, because this makes no sense, I just purged and then reinstalled bash, but I still get the GNU bash, version 4.3.0(1)-release
[13:07] <BluesKaj> can someone with proposed pastebin the debs from their sources.list please
[13:18] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Err, having proposed with a high priority is a really bad idea.
[13:21] <BluesKaj> lordievader, I know that =, but what choice do i have if the only repos that has the correct bash patches are in porposed?
[13:22] <lordievader> Main has it too. I don't have proposed enabled and bash is the newest version. (Not vunerable)
[13:23] <BluesKaj> ok so the advice got was wrong then about adding proposed
[13:23] <BluesKaj> I'll dump them
[13:23] <lordievader> Maybe at that time it was still in proposed.
[13:23] <elfy> I've not updated from proposed today either, only did that the first upgrade of bash
[13:24] <elfy> when I did it thursday or friday they were proposed
[13:25] <Daekdroom> BluesKaj, are you using a mirror?
[13:25] <Daekdroom> I mean, a repository mirror.
[13:25] <Daekdroom> Or are you connecting to the main one?
[13:25] <elfy> there are only grub and usb-modeswitch in proposed currently
[13:26] <BluesKaj> using a .ca mirror , Daekdroom
[13:26] <Daekdroom> The mirror might not be up to date
[13:26] <Daekdroom> There's a Launchpad page to check for that, but I don't remember how to access it.
[13:26] <elfy> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[13:28] <BluesKaj> Daekdroom yeah <I've been searching launch pad for the bash patches, but it's sorely lacking in info about such an important package ...as if they don't take it seriously
[13:28] <elfy> BluesKaj: they've released the updates
[13:29] <BluesKaj> I'm using the U of Waterloo mirror in Canada which is listed as up to date
[13:29] <lordievader> BluesKaj: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/4.3-9ubuntu4
[13:29] <lordievader> See the first bit of the changelog...
[13:30] <lordievader> LP is quite sufficient in the info it gives.
[13:33] <BluesKaj> lordievader, already have the 4.3-9ubuntu4 installed
[13:33] <BluesKaj> but my bash version is old
[13:34] <BluesKaj> so the patch isn't applied.  That's what it looks like to me
[13:34] <lordievader> BluesKaj: What is the output of: which bash
[13:35] <BluesKaj>  /usr/local/bin/bash
[13:36] <lordievader> Not /bin/bash? Wut? Here it is /bin/bash
[13:37] <lordievader> Likely that /usr/local/bin/bash is an old version. Does /bin/bash exist?
[13:38] <BluesKaj> heh /usr/local/bin/bash is empty
[13:39] <BluesKaj> and so is /bin/bash
[13:39] <BluesKaj> both are empty
[13:40] <lordievader> Empty?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> yes , nothing there
[13:40] <maxb> That seems highly implausible
[13:40] <lordievader> This is getting wierder and wierder...
[13:41] <maxb> BluesKaj: Please paste the output of 'md5sum /bin/bash /usr/local/bin/bash' because I'm having a hard time believing "empty" :-)
[13:42] <elfy> whereis bash
[13:42] <BluesKaj> bash is in /bin tho
[13:42] <elfy> ok
[13:45] <BluesKaj> lordievader, http://paste.kde.org/pgw2x2yka
[13:45] <lordievader> So they do exist... both of them.
[13:46] <BluesKaj>  the md5 sums are different
[13:46] <maxb> Those are not the md5sums of an empty file
[13:46] <lordievader> maxb: ^
[13:46] <maxb> So, now we've proved they are not empty..... :-)
[13:47] <elfy> BluesKaj: you must have done something to have /usr/local/bin/bash
[13:47] <BluesKaj> yeah, I know they're installed , but not working
[13:48] <lordievader> BluesKaj: what does /bin/bash --version give?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> yeah i compiled a patch that someone gave me a couple days ago. it may have ended up in usr/local then
[13:49] <lordievader> Would've been helpfull if you mentioned that sooner.
[13:49] <BluesKaj> lordievader, aha , it's the correct version GNU bash, version 4.3.24(1)-release
[13:50] <BluesKaj> lordievader, i deleted it, but as usual there were leftovers
[13:51] <lordievader> Hence the "don't compile" policy of Ubuntu ;)
[13:52] <elfy> chsh -s /bin/bash I think
[13:52] <lordievader> Or ofcourse have a proper package manager if you do compile (portage :D)
[13:53] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Also if you do find the need to compile stuff, let it put its files in /opt. Keeps a good overview.
[13:54] <BluesKaj> yeah I haven't compiled for a long time
[14:00] <BluesKaj> or in a long time rather
[14:03] <BluesKaj> it's still looking for bash in /usr/local
[14:04] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Do you remember how you compiled/removed it?
[14:18] <maxb>  /usr/local is a perfectly reasonable place to put self-compiled stuff - it's exactly what it's there for
[14:18] <maxb> Of course, it helps if you remember what you've put there
[14:22] <BluesKaj> ok thanks gents, bash problem solved, no longer vulnerable
[14:23] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Congratulations.
[14:25] <BluesKaj> heh, don't understand why compiling in the current dir didn't place the bash patch in /usr/bin tho. One would think that would be default
[14:26] <lordievader> It is placed in whatever you tell it to place it in. Or if it is unset the default is used. And the default may not be Ubuntu's location.
[14:28] <BluesKaj> that's what I meant, if bash itself is by default installed in /usr/bin on ubuntu then it should follow that make install would point it to /usr/bin ..just makes sense to me
[14:30] <BluesKaj> I assumed , but it's been a long time since i compiled anything so I suffered the consequences, but thanks to your help all seems fine now, lordievader :)
[14:31] <maxb> BluesKaj: Not at all, that makes no sense
[14:31] <maxb> Well behaved source tarballs will always default to installing in /usr/local because that's the proper place for locally compiled stuff to go
[14:32] <maxb> The /usr tree excepting /usr/local is reserved for the system package manager, i.e. official .deb packages
[14:32] <lordievader> Besides that, different distro's have different ideas of where things need to go.
[14:32] <BluesKaj> maxb, ok well I'll refrain from compiling in the future
[14:32] <maxb> That's true, but the essence of /usr/local is specified in the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard, a codification of cross-distro practices
[14:33] <BluesKaj> maxb, never mind the codification blah blah ...who reads that anyway :)
[14:33] <maxb> Sensible people
[14:34] <lordievader> Hehe ;)
[14:34] <BluesKaj> if you know that it's sensible only
[14:35] <BluesKaj> another geek troll calling people names
[14:35] <BluesKaj> anywayntime to fix the desktop
[15:04] <BluesKaj> ok, desktop is fixed now as well... learned my lesson about compiling ...one can't assume the installation will follow the same path as apt-get or the package manager
[15:29] <BluesKaj> hey penguin42
[15:32] <penguin42> Hey BK
[15:46] <BluesKaj> debating openwrt for the router, dunno if it's worth the trouble
[15:50] <penguin42> it depends how much your existing firmware annoys you
[15:58] <BluesKaj> it really doesn't, but it was recommended to me by ppl I respect, but I've never flashed a device other than my pc BIOS before
[16:02] <penguin42> ok, so the only thing to be aware of is you can really brick it; make very sure that the firmware you download is really for exactly the model of device you have (not the one from the previous year with the same name etc)
[16:11] <BluesKaj> yeah, that's exactly what concerns me ..hence the reluctance
[16:12] <BluesKaj> TP-Link WDR-3600/N600 router
[18:24] <ESource5> CAN I USE THE BETA VERSION AS EVERYDAY USE?
[18:42] <Nothing_Much> Hi everyone
[18:47] <penguin42> hey
[21:49] <twirm> I'm having some trouble with apparmor profiles when launching docker containers after upgrading to utopic
[21:50] <twirm> Can anyone give me a hand with this?
[21:51] <jtaylor> depends whats the issue?
[21:54] <twirm> https://gist.github.com/twermund/8766e68bd0c1aadfbe2e
[21:54] <twirm> I get that error when I run `sudo docker run ubuntu`
[21:55] <jtaylor> anything interesting in the system logs?
[21:56] <twirm> Is there a specific log I should look at?
[21:56] <twirm> I don't really know if the problem is coming from docker or apparmor
[21:56] <jtaylor> dmesg is a start
[21:58] <twirm> it looks like the docker daemon (docker0) switches from a forwarding mode to diabled mode
[21:59] <twirm> https://gist.github.com/twermund/e57fea46cd101f14b260
[22:00] <jtaylor> hm no idea, I don't know docker well
[22:00] <twirm> okay, thanks for lending a hand
[22:00] <twirm> I'm trying to get this stuff answered in #docker


[00:38] <swordsmanz> aeoril experement
[00:39] <aeoril> swordsmanz I am sorry, I do not understand
[00:40] <aeoril> swordsmanz expirement?  Try different books/resources myself?
[00:40] <swordsmanz>  aeoril  no experenment with the kernal
[00:40] <swordsmanz> im asumeing that you know how to compile the linux/bsd/mach kernals ?
[00:40] <aeoril> swordsmanz no
[00:41] <swordsmanz> well you know how to compile other programmes?
[00:41] <aeoril> swordsmanz but that I think should just be a matter of following recipes.  I am thinking it might be best to learn some of the theory behind OSes before I dive into the practical realm
[00:42] <aeoril> swordsmanz yes, I can compile other programs
[00:42] <swordsmanz>  well compileing a kernal is no different
[00:42] <aeoril> swordsmanz I'll give you an example of why I was thinking of pursuing theory and taking a more academic approach at first
[00:43] <swordsmanz> and no its best to just learn, the hardware will have manuals for the specific proc types and stuff, and its a matter of translateing that into code that will run well when compiled
[00:45] <aeoril> Some years ago, I worked on a problem in a low level system that involved needing to send data across a bus.  I could not use a semaphore because there was no way to coordinate with something like that - it was to disparate systems existing across a bus.  I did my own FIFO routines to accomplish this communication.  I tested it it tortuously, and thought the theory behnd my FIFO routines
[00:45] <aeoril> was solid, but years later, on reading Tanenbaum's book I learned that the way I did it was not right - it was not a lock-tight, solid implementation and could have sporadic errors, however unlikely
[00:47] <aeoril> So, I found in his book the perfect algorithm that I needed for this specific problem.  I could never have come up with that algorithm on my own (most likely) and that particular algoritm if I remember correctly had come along somewhat late in the grand scheme of things even for the experts in OS development that had worked without this algorithm for years before
[00:48] <swordsmanz> yeah but there is always a better way to do something
[00:48] <aeoril> So, I wanted to learn some of these things to get some of the theory internalized so I could know better how to do OS and kernel development before diving into the practical side of htings
[00:48] <aeoril> swordsmanz so, you would think looking at kernel code, etc. might be more useful?
[00:49] <aeoril> modern kernel code
[00:49] <aeoril> experimenting with it, playing with it, reading it, understanding it ...
[00:49] <swordsmanz> i think that unless your comfertable makeing small tweaks and compileing your not gonna find it simple to do more complex stuff
[00:50] <aeoril> My idea was (1) theory (2) small tweaks and experimentation (3) go from there to more complex things - baby steps.  But I wanted to get some of the theory and stuff I would normally get in university done first, or maybe alongside, the baby steps with the actual linux kernel, modules, etc.
[00:51] <swordsmanz> hmm in my experiance theory is opnly really good for referance
[00:52] <aeoril> swordsmanz I am sorry, my wife is calling me to eat - I will be back in a few.  Thanks for the help
[00:52] <swordsmanz> kk
[01:09] <aeoril> swordsmanz back!
[01:09] <swordsmanz> YAY
[01:10] <swordsmanz> its proberbly not a good idea to listen to my thughts on this anyway as im just getting my head around the basics of how the ernal is structured, even tho i have been compileing my own for a while now
[01:10] <aeoril> swordsmanz I was thinking there is great value in what you are telling me.  I think it would be best to work through some of the basic theory behind operating systems, but as I do so learn to compile, alter and test the kernel and find examples of the theory as I learn in the kernel and experiment with changing it, breaking it, fixing it, etc. to best learn not just the theory but how
[01:10] <aeoril> it relates to real implementations in the Ubuntu/Linux kernel
[01:11] <swordsmanz> aeoril yeah that sounds sensible
[01:12] <aeoril> This will also give me a less "dry" path and allow me to more quickly assimilate into the community to start doing minor helpful things, like bug triage, etc. and get my toes wet
[01:12] <aeoril> First my little toe, then my other little toe, then go from there ... :)
[01:13] <aeoril> swordsmanz I found some other resources that recommended Tanenbaum's book so I went ahead and bought it.  I am now reading it.  Wish me luck!
[01:14] <swordsmanz> im only really here becouse there is a powermanagment bug on amd apu's that is really realy iritateing, and i want to see if i can have a go at fixing it becouse its bugging me :S
[01:14] <swordsmanz> GOOD LUCK
[01:35] <aeoril> swordsmanz ty :)