[07:28] <lancer285> ubotu I'm sorry, I'm having problems getting backports set up as a repos. I enter in  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted into the field, but it doesn't show transcode on the list anywhere when I search
[07:28] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, lancer285
[07:28] <crimsun> floppyears: make sure scsi_mod is loaded.
[07:28] <orac7000> floppyears: ok, like i said mine just worked
[07:29] <jason__> can anyone help me with a qt header problem while running ./configure?
[07:29] <lancer285> ubotu i'm trying to get transcode installed. but I can't find it
[07:29] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, lancer285
[07:29] <Doomhammer> ubotu transcode
[07:29] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Doomhammer
[07:29] <Burgundavia> lancer285, transcode is part of hoary-extras
[07:29] <floppyears> crimsun: it is
[07:29] <Doomhammer> lol
[07:29] <Doomhammer> the bot is dumb :P
[07:29] <Amaranth> lancer285: ubotu is a bot :D
[07:29] <nalioth> !info transcode
[07:29] <bimberi> lancer285: uboto is a bot, you need a line like this ...
[07:29] <bimberi> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[07:29] <lancer285> haha, my bad, thanks guys
[07:29] <lancer285> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[07:30] <Amaranth> lancer285: hoary-extras != hoary-backports
[07:30] <lancer285> amaranth, how do I get those to work?
[07:30] <bimberi> lancer285: only have it enabled for the install, then disable it (eg. comment the line out)
[07:30] <floppyears> thank you guys
[07:30] <nickrud> what's the difference btween mirrormax backports and the ubuntu backports repository?
[07:30] <Amaranth> add that line to /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:31] <Amaranth> nickrud: the ubuntu one is official and sane
[07:31] <cyphase> hey everyone
[07:31] <nickrud> ah, so, that's why there's no transcode
[07:31] <Burgundavia> nickrud, the mirrormax stuff is the old backports, and is not needed anymore
[07:32] <Amaranth> nickrud: that's hoary-extras, a seperate project
[07:32] <tibetgirl> hi
[07:32] <jason__> can anyone help me with a qt header problem while running ./configure?
[07:32] <nickrud> Amaranth, thanks
[07:32] <Doomhammer> hiya tibetgirl
[07:32] <tibetgirl> can I try to dcc send someone a file? I'm having problems here... my dcc send was working fine, but not it's not :(
[07:33] <tibetgirl> now*
[07:33] <Doomhammer> tibetgirl: try to send it to me
[07:33] <tibetgirl> ok
[07:33] <tibetgirl> ooh
[07:33] <Doomhammer> well it worked
[07:33] <tibetgirl> Doomhammer: thanks! I thought it was my side :)
[07:33] <tibetgirl> lol
[07:34] <Doomhammer> nope :)
[07:34] <lancer285> amaranth I put deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted at the end of my /etc/apt/sources.list file, but synaptic didn't reconize it
[07:34] <Amaranth> lancer285: You need to click the reload button in synaptic.
[07:35] <Doomhammer> or type apt-get update into the console...
[07:37] <Orborde> I'm trying to share a folder with a Windows 98 machine over ethernet, and the Windows machine, when I try to get to the folder, asks me for a password. What password? I don't know. I tried the root password. I tried my account on my Linux machine's password. I tried no password. "Invalid password". What do I DO?
[07:37] <Doomhammer> Orbode: samba
[07:38] <Doomhammer> Orborde: the user name on linux and windows needs to be the same... e.g. "pjackson"
[07:38] <saintFrance> hey guys what does it mean that im not the owner and i cant edit anything
[07:38] <lancer285> thanks amarath that seemed to work
[07:38] <saintFrance> what do i do about it
[07:38] <Doomhammer> saintFrance: what are you tring to edit?
[07:38] <saintFrance> the xorg.conf
[07:38] <saintFrance> so i can add resolutions
[07:38] <nickrud> saintFrance, it's about who ones a file
[07:38] <lancer285> amarath are you a bot too?
[07:39] <Doomhammer> saintFrace: do this: sudo nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:39] <bimberi> lol
[07:39] <Doomhammer> lancer: i am a bot
[07:39] <Doomhammer> :)
[07:39] <lancer285> sheesh
[07:39] <lancer285> (:
[07:39] <nickrud> saintFrance, root owns xorg.conf, Doomhammer's line makes you the (temporary) owner of xorg.conf
[07:40] <Doomhammer> nickrud: that would allow him to edit it though, which is what he is trying to do
[07:41] <nickrud> yes, that's why I pointed at you (duh ;p)
[07:41] <saintFrance> waht do u mean root owns the conf
[07:41] <saintFrance> wait id otn get how linux works lol
[07:41] <Doomhammer> :O
[07:41] <Doomhammer> saintFrace: google for "linux file permissions" or something
[07:41] <saintFrance> oh i edit it how do i save?
[07:41] <nickrud> saintFrance, if you type ls -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf, you'll see that root owns the file
[07:41] <Doomhammer> you used nano ?
[07:41] <Doomhammer> hit CTRL+X and then enter
[07:41] <saintFrance> yh
[07:42] <saintFrance> thank you
[07:42] <Doomhammer> then, to test the new changes, CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE but beware, that closes anything you have running (kills x.org)
[07:42] <Orborde> Doomhammer: So if I create a user account on my Linux machine corresponding to the Windows machine's current account, that should work without a reboot, right?
[07:43] <vladuz976> can anyone recommend a good keyboard?
[07:43] <Doomhammer> Orborde: yes, but you need to set that user's samba password... smbpasswd is the command
[07:44] <Doomhammer> vladuz976: one moment...
[07:44] <Doomhammer> vladuz976: these Deck keyboards are damn sweet, but expensive... http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/72e2/
[07:44] <Madpilot> saintFrance: if you put "gedit" where Doomhammer's line had "nano" you'll get a GUI-based text editor with no need for extra keyboard commands
[07:44] <Doomhammer> LOL
[07:44] <Doomhammer> but that is not the cool way to do it ;)
[07:45] <nickrud> late, late late
[07:45] <Madpilot> Doomhammer: not trying to start an editor war, but gedit is way easier for newbies!
[07:45] <grumbly> hey
[07:45] <saintFrance> bah it didnt work still
[07:45] <Doomhammer> Madpilot: yes, i know... i was joking :)
[07:45] <saintFrance> :( bah i cant get higher reso than 1024x768
[07:45] <Doomhammer> saintFrace: what video card ?
[07:45] <Amaranth> !resolutions
[07:45] <ubotu> Amaranth: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:45] <Amaranth> !resolution
[07:45] <ubotu> I guess resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:45] <saintFrance> nvidia geforcefx5500
[07:45] <grumbly> How can I get a midi sequencer to work through alsa?
[07:46] <vladuz976> Doomhammer: that's a weird one
[07:46] <Amaranth> saintFrance: ^^
[07:46] <Amaranth> the bot knows all
[07:46] <grumbly> I'm like horibly unsure
[07:46] <saintFrance> yah i went there.. and no clue what to do
[07:46] <saintFrance> ll
[07:46] <saintFrance> lol
[07:46] <Orborde> Doomhammer: It's spewing errors at me...
[07:46] <Doomhammer> vladuz976: yes, but one of the better ones you can buy...
[07:46] <Doomhammer> Orborde: smbpasswd is ? are you root / did you sudo ?
[07:46] <grumbly> rather, how can I get a softmidi to work with alsa- I;ve got no actual midi
[07:46] <vladuz976> Doomhammer: does it just look cool or is it good? do you have it?
[07:47] <Doomhammer> vladuz976: no, i do not personally have it -- i'm only 14... i do not have that much $$$
[07:47] <Doomhammer> vladuz976: however, I have heard many good things and no bad about it
[07:47] <Orborde> Doomhammer: Yes, I sudod. Let me set up an error dump.
[07:47] <Doomhammer> vladus976: or you could always go with a logitech elite wireless keyboard / mouse combo
[07:47] <saintFrance> bah linux is soooo different from windows
[07:47] <vladuz976> Doomhammer: is that what you have
[07:48] <nickrud> saintFrance, welcome :)
[07:48] <Doomhammer> vladus976: that's not what I have on my PC, but the "family pc" has that set... the logitech elite... it is damned sweet
[07:48] <Madpilot> saintFrance: you'll get used to it!
[07:48] <saintFrance> i still cant get a higher reso to pop up the change reso menu
[07:48] <saintFrance> lol
[07:48] <nothingssomethin> how do i stop apps fom starting up on login?
[07:48] <nothingssomethin> anyone know?
[07:49] <Doomhammer> saintFrance: if you send me your xorg.conf file, I can setup a different resolution for you
[07:49] <lancer285> saintfrance I would make sure that your monitor type is set to the right one
[07:49] <NicP> nothingssomethin, whats starting up
[07:49] <Doomhammer> well, assuming you have everything configured properly...
[07:49] <saintFrance> alright ill send it to you
[07:49] <Doomhammer> NicP: look in /etc/init.d
[07:49] <nothingssomethin> ummm alot of things
[07:50] <NicP> Doomhammer, eh?
[07:50] <Orborde> Doomhammer: Never mind...I got it. I had to add the user using smbpasswd
[07:50] <Madpilot> nothingssomethin: be a bit more specific?
[07:50] <vladuz976> Doomhammer: you are 14? how long have you been using ubuntu?
[07:50] <Doomhammer> NicP: all init scripts are stored in /etc/init.d
[07:50] <Doomhammer> vladuz976: since warty came out... however, I have been using linux since RedHat 7 :O
[07:50] <NicP> Doomhammer, you just addressed it to the wrong person thats all :P
[07:51] <Doomhammer> NicP: oh... LOL :P
[07:51] <vladuz976> Doomhammer: when was that
[07:51] <nothingssomethin> nicp: messinger, music player, browser, and shell
[07:51] <saintFrance> hey doomhammer accept
[07:51] <nothingssomethin>  messinger, music player, browser, and shell
[07:51] <Doomhammer> vladuz976: hmm, i'd guess about 5-6 years ago... still had a 486 :O
[07:51] <saintFrance> accept the file
[07:51] <nothingssomethin> web browser
[07:51] <Orborde> Doomhammer: The errors are questionable, though, so you may still want to take a look. Yes, I did use sudo at a root terminal. http://pastebin.com/326601
[07:51] <Doomhammer> saintFrance: it says it's trying to connect :/
[07:51] <nothingssomethin> and i want none of them to startup on login
[07:52] <saintFrance> bah!
[07:52] <NicP> nothingssomethin, as doomhammer said look in /etc/int.d or/and check in system>preferences>sessions
[07:52] <saintFrance> hey lancer, what did u mean i set up my monitor type as right one?
[07:52] <Doomhammer> saintFrance: x.org may think that you have a monitor, that in fact you do not have
[07:53] <Doomhammer> saintFrance: wrong driver, or something to that effect
[07:53] <nickrud> nothingssomethin, then, close all the stuff you don't want to start up, and start any other stuff you want to run every time you log in: then hit alt-f2, and type gnome-session-save
[07:53] <saintFrance> so that may casue it to not have higher resolutions?
[07:53] <saintFrance> so how do i check that?
[07:53] <Doomhammer> saintFrance: you can configure it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but there is a GUI config tool
[07:53] <lancer285> sainFrance I'm guessing, but if X thinks that the monitor is just some generic tube, then it won't let you get the higher res's
[07:53] <Doomhammer> saintFrance: yes, but you may also need to install the nVidia drivers for your card
[07:53] <saintFrance> i see.. how do i install nvidia drivers
[07:53] <Amaranth> !nvidia
[07:53] <basic_> apt-get
[07:53] <ubotu> rumour has it, nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:53] <saintFrance> lol i pretty much cant install any exe
[07:54] <saintFrance> lol Amaranth
[07:54] <Belutz> i'm back all :D
[07:54] <Doomhammer> saintFrance: exe's are windows programs... of course not :)
[07:54] <Madpilot> saintFrance: no, exe doesn't work in Linux, generally
[07:54] <basic_> gotta get cxoffice and cedega :)
[07:55] <nothingssomethin> it's not in htere
[07:55] <nothingssomethin> it's not in there
[07:55] <Doomhammer> saintFrance: in linux, file extenstions do not matter as much as they do in WinBlows... i can name somescript.bin (an executable file) somefile.txt and still run it
[07:55] <nothingssomethin> i cheked int.d
[07:55] <robinparker> hello
[07:55] <nothingssomethin> and the sessinons
[07:56] <Doomhammer> nothingsomethin: the init scripts are in subdirectories of /etc/init.d... for isntance, /etc/init.d/rc.2
[07:56] <lancer285> anyone know anything about tovid?
[07:56] <saintFrance> alright im installing nvidia driver
[07:56] <robinparker> can anybody help me get widows
[07:56] <robinparker> windows
[07:56] <nothingssomethin> yes i cheked them
[07:56] <Doomhammer> nothingssomethin: oh wait, no, i'm wrong, the init scripts are in /etc/init.d, no subdirs
[07:56] <Belutz> robinparker: windows or X-windows ?
[07:56] <Doomhammer> robinparker: huh ? you gotta be a bit more specific :?
[07:57] <nothingssomethin> i knew what you men't tho
[07:57] <saintFrance> brb restarting
[07:58] <Orborde> Should I shut down Firefox before using Synaptic to upgrade it?
[07:58] <saintFrance> !nvidia
[07:58] <ubotu> methinks nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:58] <Doomhammer> Orborde: hmm, i would think so
[07:58] <robotgeek> Orborde: no need
[07:58] <nickrud> nothingssomethin, the things you mentioned are handled by gnome-session, if the're handled by anything.
[07:59] <Orborde> robotgeek: Why not? I thought not, but I wasn't sure.
[07:59] <ubotu> ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed!
[07:59] <nothingssomethin> that's what i thought too
[08:00] <robotgeek> Orborde: cause firefox is already loaded in memory
[08:00] <robotgeek> thanks, ubotu
[08:00] <amrit> hi.  anyone know if there's a way to boot the ubuntu live disc in text mode?
[08:00] <Orborde> Doomhammer: Why would I need to shut it down? This is Linux! You're not supposed to have to do that! Or something.
[08:00] <nothingssomethin> but when i log in with root nothing comes up
[08:00] <Madpilot> who made ubotu say that, anyway?
[08:00] <supernix> guys just curious shouldnt you never see a root login ?
[08:00] <nothingssomethin> it is blank
[08:00] <Madpilot> !rootsude
[08:00] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Madpilot
[08:00] <Doomhammer> Orborde: i dunno, i'm not even sure you need to shut it down... try it without shutting it down
[08:00] <Madpilot> !rootsudo
[08:00] <supernix> As I recall the root login is disabled by default
[08:00] <ubotu> rootsudo is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:01] <Madpilot> nothingssomethin: see the RootSudo link ubotu just posted for info
[08:01] <nickrud> supernix, now and then, especially if you use some web based admin systems
[08:01] <Amaranth> amrit: If you're really the root user you should know that it's a bad idea to IRC as root.
[08:01] <robotgeek> Orborde: since it's in memory already, replacing the one on disk will not affect it...apt get is intelligent enuf to tell you if u need to
[08:01] <Orborde> Doomhammer: Yeah, that's the plan.
[08:01] <amrit> Amaranth: yeah, and someone should fix the crappy text matching support in infobots... for the last few years now.
[08:01] <supernix> I know that you can sudo into it that I am aware of but like if you do w root should never show up I would think right ?
[08:02] <Orborde> robotgeek: woo for Linux. Sometimes more intelligent than windows!
[08:02] <robotgeek> mostly, yes
[08:02] <Belutz> which linux distro that the first using sudo ?
[08:02] <saintFrance> so i installed the nvidia driver.. now what/
[08:02] <robotgeek> sudo is just a program which was there in Debian AFAIK
[08:02] <robotgeek> OS X also uses sudo
[08:02] <Orborde> robotgeek: See, this is part of why I find Linux so glorious.  :D
[08:03] <nickrud> supernix, I'll give a specific example: I need a root account so I can get around the disabling of the cups web admin interface
[08:03] <Madpilot> hmmm -  anyone else use BitTorrent here? gnometorrents specifically?
[08:03] <nickrud> supernix, sudo is not perfect
[08:03] <saintFrance> so guys.. i still dont have any higher resolutions.. i installed the nvidia drivers
[08:03] <nothingssomethin> but how can sudo help starting up programs
[08:03] <amrit> Amaranth: or... i could expect that a bot would be able to distinguish between r00t and root?  is that too much to ask?
[08:03] <Doomhammer> nickrud: you can "create" a root acound by doing this: sudo passwd root
[08:04] <nickrud> heh
[08:04] <nothingssomethin> i enabled login with root account with ubuntu
[08:04] <saintFrance> whats a root account?
[08:04] <Doomhammer> saintFrance: root == good
[08:04] <Doomhammer> god, i mean
[08:04] <nothingssomethin> yes
[08:04] <Doomhammer> LOL
[08:04] <saintFrance> so how do i get one?
[08:04] <robotgeek> a root account is a superuser/admin acct
[08:04] <Amaranth> amrit: But why have R00T if you know the bot is going to do it?
[08:04] <saintFrance> i see
[08:04] <saintFrance> so thats why my account isnt root?
[08:04] <nothingssomethin> you can fuc* up your comp that way
[08:04] <Amaranth> amrit: Do you think it makes you look cool?
[08:05] <robotgeek> Amaranth: :)
[08:05] <Doomhammer> saintFrance: yes, it's a safety measure... root can fux0r the system badly
[08:05] <Doomhammer> if he so chooses :)
[08:05] <nothingssomethin> you already have on
[08:05] <saintFrance> haha i see
[08:05] <amrit> Amaranth: absolutely.
[08:05] <robotgeek> fubar, is the word
[08:05] <Doomhammer> meh
[08:05] <nothingssomethin> when you do something as su it baiscily does it as root
[08:05] <Amaranth> amrit: Well, complaining about the bot 5 seconds after joining killed any chance of that. :)
[08:05] <saintFrance> i see
[08:05] <saintFrance> well is it better to have a root account?
[08:05] <Amaranth> !rootsudo
[08:05] <ubotu> I heard rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:05] <nothingssomethin> stands for super user
[08:06] <robotgeek> saintFrance:  not really, you shud go root, only only if you really really need to!
[08:06] <nothingssomethin> no see you have one
[08:06] <amrit> Amaranth: complaining about bots is always cool.
[08:06] <amrit> Amaranth: so, any idea how to get this damn live disc into text mode instead of having to wait for X/gnome?
[08:06] <nothingssomethin> you have a root account you can use it in shell
[08:07] <nickrud> !ubotu rocks
[08:07] <ubotu> nickrud: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:07] <robotgeek> amrit: me don't like ppl cribbing abt me or me cousins
[08:07] <saintFrance> lol i just installed ubuntu.. i have no clue how to use it so lol
[08:07] <amrit> ...
[08:07] <Amaranth> amrit: I believe it's a boot up option if you catch it at the right point. And please don't swear.
[08:07] <nothingssomethin> but i enabled my account to be able to be used in the ubuntu gnome GUI
[08:07] <nothingssomethin> GUI = graphical user interface
[08:08] <Doomhammer> GUI = jello ?
[08:08] <Doomhammer> :)
[08:08] <robotgeek> Amaranth: shudn't ctrl + alt + f1 etc work?
[08:08] <nothingssomethin> ok
[08:08] <saintFrance> anyway guys.. so what can i do about my reso?
[08:08] <nothingssomethin> try this
[08:08] <saintFrance> or should i just leave it at 1024x768
[08:08] <Amaranth> robotgeek: He would have to wait for it to load X before doing that.
[08:08] <nothingssomethin> go to applications
[08:08] <nickrud> robotgeek, you using breezy?
[08:08] <Razor-X> does anything in Ubuntu listen to SMTP by default?
[08:08] <robotgeek> Amaranth: ah okay
[08:08] <Amaranth> amrit: Of course the main point of the Live CD is to demo Ubuntu so this may not be possible.
[08:08] <Amaranth> Razor-X: Not outside of localhost, afaik.
[08:08] <amrit> Amaranth: sure thing.  and yeah, i thought it was something passed at boot, but i can't find anything helpful.  (also tried runlevel 2 as with knoppix)
[08:09] <nothingssomethin> applications=> system tools=> terminal
[08:09] <Razor-X> Amaranth: yeah, localhost
[08:09] <robotgeek> nickrud: me don't want to break my system for 15 more days!
[08:09] <saintFrance> hey guys whats a KDE?
[08:09] <saintFrance> lol..
[08:09] <Razor-X> because, I'm not quite sure what it is that's listening
[08:09] <nickrud> hah, I had to try early
[08:09] <Razor-X> saintFrance: it's a Window Manager
[08:09] <nothingssomethin> that's for you saintFrance
[08:09] <amrit> Amaranth: yeah, sucks.  i'm mainly using it cuz i can't find any other live disc that has lvm2 support..
[08:09] <saintFrance> alright
[08:09] <Razor-X> Amaranth: i'm trying out qmail ;)
[08:09] <Amaranth> KDE = K Desktop Environment, it's a Desktop Environment like GNOME
[08:09] <amrit> Amaranth: oh well, i'll live with it.  see ya.
[08:09] <Razor-X> compiled qmail, meh
[08:09] <Razor-X> I know it's not sendmail
[08:09] <nickrud> I asked cuz alt-ctl-f1 didn't switch out in breezy as of today
[08:09] <saintFrance> nothingsomethin then waht?
[08:09] <nothingssomethin> it opened up a box that looks lie dos right
[08:10] <Amaranth> nickrud: Your keyboard config is messed up.
[08:10] <saintFrance> yah
[08:10] <nothingssomethin> saintFrance: you were previously windows right
[08:10] <Amaranth> nickrud: Whatever it is it's something you did or didn't do, it works here. :)
[08:10] <saintFrance> yah
[08:10] <nickrud> Amaranth, I am sure that, it about 15 days, it'll be workth checking again :)
[08:10] <saintFrance> well i still do have windows i have dual boot right now
[08:10] <nothingssomethin> saintFrance: so was i
[08:10] <nothingssomethin> ok
[08:10] <saintFrance> anyway im at termina
[08:11] <robotgeek> nickrud: do u have a function key?
[08:11] <nothingssomethin> type in " su " \
[08:11] <nothingssomethin> and press enter
[08:11] <saintFrance> alright
[08:11] <nickrud> no, a variant of the microsoft natural keybard
[08:11] <saintFrance> now it just became >
[08:11] <Amaranth> nickrud: sudo apt-get install xkeyboard-config ?
[08:11] <CungYen_Bakpao> hello, i got question here
[08:11] <robotgeek> nickrud: cause i have to do a ctrl + alt + fn + f1
[08:12] <nothingssomethin> saintFrance: you will need to type in a password
[08:12] <saintFrance> alright
[08:12] <nickrud> Amaranth, I think that specific package was listed as broken in aptitude when I did the package update aftier the initial install.
[08:12] <CungYen_Bakpao> does anyone know how to set window default position in desktop?
[08:12] <Amaranth> nickrud: ah, i know the answer then
[08:12] <nickrud> probably a hiccup
[08:13] <nothingssomethin> see root
[08:13] <nothingssomethin> to the left
[08:13] <saintFrance> ?
[08:13] <Doomhammer> got root?
[08:13] <nothingssomethin> that's your root account
[08:13] <saintFrance> huh? wait what?
[08:13] <saintFrance> i did " su " \
[08:13] <nothingssomethin> no
[08:13] <robotgeek> nah...just a su
[08:13] <Amaranth> nickrud: sudo dpkg -i --force-missconf /var/cache/apt/archives/xkeyboard-config_0.5-3_all.deb
[08:13] <nothingssomethin> just su
[08:13] <saintFrance> then it just became >
[08:13] <saintFrance> so what does this do?
[08:13] <nickrud> heh, just after I rebooted to hoary to look at backports :)
[08:14] <nothingssomethin> you have ubuntu right
[08:14] <saintFrance> yah
[08:14] <nothingssomethin> does it say horray
[08:14] <nothingssomethin> hedghog
[08:14] <saintFrance> where?
[08:14] <saintFrance> wait wiat can we start over
[08:14] <nothingssomethin> sure
[08:14] <saintFrance> so i typed in " su " \ in terminal
[08:14] <robotgeek> :)
[08:14] <nothingssomethin> no
[08:15] <nothingssomethin> blake@LittleWhiteBox:~$ su
[08:15] <saintFrance> oh lol
[08:15] <nothingssomethin> that's what it  should look like when you press enter
[08:15] <robotgeek> saintFrance: just type  "sudo su" and enter YOUR password
[08:15] <saintFrance> alright
[08:15] <saintFrance> it says
[08:16] <nothingssomethin> he thinks you type su/
[08:16] <Doomhammer> night all!
[08:16] <saintFrance> roo@ubuntu:/home/saint
[08:16] <nothingssomethin> yes
[08:16] <nothingssomethin> that is your root account
[08:16] <saintFrance> i see
[08:16] <saintFrance> so what does this do?
[08:16] <nothingssomethin> but you cannot login as that
[08:16] <saintFrance> ahh i see
[08:16] <saintFrance> i see
[08:16] <robotgeek> be very very careful!
[08:16] <saintFrance> lmao
[08:16] <nothingssomethin> it's like a higher administrator
[08:16] <Madpilot> saintFrance: have you read the RootSudo URL that's been posted for you?
[08:16] <saintFrance> *first day using linux* dont want to mess things up
[08:16] <saintFrance> yah
[08:16] <saintFrance> i read it
[08:16] <Belutz> why not just type 'su' ??
[08:17] <Belutz> why it has to be 'sudo su' ?
[08:17] <saintFrance> anyway.. guys the !resolution thing i went to
[08:17] <saintFrance> doesnt help on giving me higher resolutions
[08:17] <saintFrance> :(
[08:17] <supernix> hiya gang is there a good link on how to secure ubuntu ?
[08:17] <saintFrance> or should i just leave it at 1024x768?
[08:17] <robotgeek> cause simply su doesn't work
[08:18] <robotgeek> lol
[08:18] <robotgeek> bad joke!
[08:18] <nothingssomethin> saintFrance : you might want to type in su  space then your old user name
[08:18] <arvan>
[08:18] <arvan> hi
[08:18] <nothingssomethin> saintFrance : that will get you out of root
[08:18] <robotgeek> or just type exit
[08:18] <saintFrance> alright i left it
[08:18] <nothingssomethin> back in safe territory
[08:18] <saintFrance> and closed it
[08:19] <saintFrance> so what can i do with linux anyway?
[08:19] <saintFrance> lol
[08:19] <nothingssomethin> robo it dosen't get me out of root when i type exit
[08:19] <_olaf> use the internet
[08:19] <nothingssomethin> robotgeek
[08:19] <robotgeek> nothingssomethin: it does for me!
[08:19] <Belutz> robotgeek: i could just type 'su' enter the password and gain access to root account
[08:19] <saintFrance> hey how do i change GNOME to a different KDE?
[08:20] <robotgeek> Belutz: that doesn't work for me...i wonder why?
[08:20] <nothingssomethin> robotgeek: are you sereous you got hedghog
[08:20] <saintFrance> wats a hedghog?
[08:20] <nothingssomethin> or horay
[08:20] <saintFrance> !!!
[08:20] <robotgeek> nothingssomethin: yessir!!
[08:20] <ubotu> I guess ! is what u add before a sentence to talk to me
[08:20] <Belutz> robotgeek: hmmm... strange...
[08:20] <nothingssomethin> weird
[08:20] <n1xt3r> supernix: if there's not one for ubuntu I'm sure there's one for debian that should apply
[08:20] <nickrud> saintFrance, a mean little rodent
[08:20] <Madpilot> saintFrance: Gnome isn't "a KDE", KDE & Gnome are different desktop progs
[08:20] <nothingssomethin> robotgeek : it just puts me back in home dir
[08:21] <supernix> ok ty n1
[08:21] <saintFrance> i see.. so how do i use a different desktop prog?
[08:21] <robotgeek> urs or root's?
[08:21] <nothingssomethin> saintfrance: here's something that works in terminal or(shell) that also works in dos
[08:21] <nothingssomethin> cd ..
[08:21] <nothingssomethin> lol
[08:21] <Madpilot> saintFrance: why not stick with Gnome until you're more comfortable in Linux generally?
[08:21] <saintFrance> alright!
[08:21] <saintFrance> lol
[08:21] <supernix> n1xt3r: any examples anywhere about the differences between ubuntu and debian ?
[08:21] <robotgeek> note the spaces though!
[08:21] <saintFrance> coz i saw ppl with nice desktops
[08:21] <saintFrance> lmao
[08:22] <nothingssomethin> cd also means change dir
[08:22] <saintFrance> oh cool!
[08:22] <saintFrance> anyway guys.. SOO what should i do now with linux?
[08:22] <nothingssomethin> but rember that lunix uses / instead of \
[08:22] <robotgeek> alrite off to bed!
[08:22] <oracle> Hi everybody
[08:23] <highvoltage> hi oracle
[08:23] <nothingssomethin> later robotgeek
[08:23] <robotgeek> cya guys later!
[08:23] <oracle> can you help me
[08:23] <saintFrance> cya thanks btw robotgeek
[08:23] <Madpilot> saintFrance: for basic command line tutorial, start here: http://linuxcommand.org/
[08:23] <robotgeek> saintFrance: ni probs
[08:23] <n1xt3r> supernix: none that I know of, but there have been some recent reviews
[08:23] <saintFrance> oh thanks madpilot
[08:23] <oracle> I installed ubunto
[08:23] <oracle> ubuntu^_^
[08:24] <Madpilot> saintFrance: np. that's the best basic command line tutorial I've found in a couple of months of googling
[08:24] <oracle> but it don't detect graphic driver
[08:24] <wmealing> cmon, with a topic like that.. i wanna use breezy.
[08:24] <Madpilot> !ati
[08:24] <ubotu> rumour has it, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
 anyway guys..  WHo here uses just ubuntu and no windows?
[08:29] <linlin> me
[08:29] <eighttsman> id o
[08:29] <Amaranth> i'm slowly but surely getting back to where i was before the crash
[08:29] <eighttsman> i do
[08:29] <linlin> i have win 2000 on ly laptop, but thats it
[08:30] <nothingssomethin> saintFrance: what you mean on the same mechine
[08:30] <nothingssomethin> saintFrance: or in the same house
[08:30] <eighttsman> so can anyone get me a full version of knoppix?
[08:31] <Razor-X> I think I got qmail set up! ;)
[08:31] <Madpilot> saintFrance: linux & no windows? me...
[08:31] <nothingssomethin> it was a bitch updateing java i tryed it from the reposotories and it didn't work then i just went to java.com and they walked me through it but i have to do some things in shelll and mess with mozilla file
[08:32] <Madpilot> Razor-X: what's qmail/
[08:32] <Madpilot> ?
[08:32] <saintFrance> same machine
[08:32] <saintFrance> madpilot: i see
[08:32] <bimberi> eighttsman: iirc you install knoppix from the live-cd
[08:32] <saintFrance> madpilot: how do u live?!
[08:32] <Razor-X> Madpilot: mail server
[08:33] <Razor-X> now, I still don't _know_ yet, I _think_
[08:33] <nothingssomethin> hey i found a sweet ass cd burning software for free
[08:33] <Madpilot> saintFrance: I live on a computer without any Gates or Windows. <heh>
[08:33] <eighttsman> so no one can help with knoppix?
[08:33] <saintFrance> madpilot: lmao.. well ill prolly end up being that way anyway
[08:34] <nothingssomethin> it has a gui
[08:34] <Razor-X> nothingssomethin: there are only a handful of notable ones, so shoot
[08:34] <nothingssomethin> it caled graveman
[08:34] <saintFrance> madpilot: after i learn how to use it tho
[08:34] <nothingssomethin> this one has a gui and converts any music file to whatever and makes iso's
[08:34] <Madpilot> nothingssomethin: there's several free burner apps - even Nautilus will burn most CD types
[08:34] <nothingssomethin> yeah but you do it in shell
[08:35] <nothingssomethin> and that's confuseing
[08:35] <nickrud> nothingssomethin, next time for java, use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[08:35] <Madpilot> nothingssomethin: with Nautilus? nope, it's all on the GUI. same with Gnomebaker & k3b
[08:35] <nothingssomethin> i might try them
[08:35] <nothingssomethin> cause graveman has a bad buffer
[08:36] <Madpilot> nothingssomethin: Nautilus is just Ubuntu's default file manager - it burns as well.
[08:36] <Razor-X> nothingssomethin: shell is confusing?
[08:36] <Razor-X> I use the shell all the time ;)
[08:36] <Razor-X> I do only 3 activities out of it, meh
[08:36] <Razor-X> (i'm chatting now in my shell, for those of you who haven't encountered a CLI IRC Client)
[08:36] <nothingssomethin> lol for me i'm just now not becomeing afraid of scripts becaue i was setting up SWAT with samba
[08:36] <saintFrance> guys i still cant get any higher reso.. this small reso is just HUGE in my comp lol
[08:37] <Belutz> Razor-X: u use bash?
[08:37] <Amaranth> I just did in one day what took me one month before.
[08:37] <nothingssomethin> and it wasn't working right so now i'm trying to find a GUI ftp server
[08:37] <Razor-X> Belutz: zsh
[08:37] <saintFrance> !resolutions
[08:37] <ubotu> saintFrance: Are you smoking crack?
[08:37] <nothingssomethin> maybe a browser GUI
[08:37] <saintFrance> !resolution
[08:37] <ubotu> rumour has it, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:37] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-devel/menus_loading.png
[08:37] <saintFrance> ubotu saintFrance: Are you smoking crack?
[08:37] <ubotu> okay, saintFrance
[08:37] <saintFrance> lmao
[08:37] <Amaranth> nickrud: look at it, damnit :)
[08:38] <Belutz> Razor-X: how to make color ls in zsh like in bash?
[08:38] <Amaranth> !saintFrance
[08:38] <ubotu> Amaranth: I haven't a clue
[08:38] <Amaranth> !saintFrance:
[08:38] <Razor-X> Belutz: make what color?
[08:38] <Amaranth> grr
[08:38] <nickrud> did, twice, I just don't do much stuff with my menus, I always put them on the panel, cuz it worked in the past ;P
[08:39] <Belutz> Razor-X: when you type 'ls' in shell then the file is displayed in different color
[08:39] <Amaranth> omg, saintFrance discovered a feature in ubotu
[08:39] <Razor-X> Belutz: *grin* everyone loves that ;)
[08:39] <nothingssomethin> he probbally in 1 on 1 with someone
[08:39] <saintFrance> ?
[08:39] <saintFrance> what?!
[08:39] <saintFrance> lmao
[08:39] <Amaranth> !saintfrance:
[08:39] <Amaranth> hmm, it doesn't work here
[08:39] <Razor-X> Belutz: add this to your .zshrc
[08:39] <Amaranth> ubotu: saintfrance:
[08:39] <Belutz> Razor-X: yup... this worls is full of color... :D
[08:39] <saintFrance> i just did !resolutions
[08:39] <floppyears> hi
[08:39] <saintFrance> !resolutions
[08:39] <Razor-X> if [[ $TERM != 'dumb' ] ]
[08:39] <ubotu> saintFrance: Bugger all, i dunno
[08:39] <Amaranth> it only works in pm
[08:39] <Razor-X> then
[08:40] <saintFrance> he said if i was smoking crack
[08:40] <saintFrance> lmao
[08:40] <Razor-X> alias ls='ls --color=auto'
[08:40] <Razor-X> fi
[08:40] <floppyears> I am not sure which one I should be using apt-get or aptitude
[08:40] <Razor-X> there you are
[08:40] <floppyears> is one better than the other ?
[08:40] <Razor-X> it's already in your .bashrc
[08:40] <Belutz> oh ic ....
[08:40] <Razor-X> but, that should be added into your .zshrc
[08:40] <nothingssomethin> what is V
[08:40] <nothingssomethin> what is !resolutions
[08:40] <Belutz> didn't recognize that in .bashrc
[08:40] <nothingssomethin> i don't even know
[08:40] <Razor-X> Belutz: you have something similar there
[08:40] <nickrud> floppyears, if you start from the beginning with aptitude, you will prosper
[08:40] <Belutz> Razor-X: so, what else zsh can do?
[08:40] <Razor-X> I harvested quite a few things from there
[08:41] <Madpilot> !resolution
[08:41] <ubotu> resolution is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:41] <Razor-X> Belutz: it can do a _ton_ of things
[08:41] <Razor-X> especially if you script with it, or do advanced interactive stuff
[08:41] <Madpilot> saintFrance: leave the "s" off.
[08:41] <thuron> java
[08:41] <saintFrance> i know i figured
[08:41] <saintFrance> lol it was just funny
[08:41] <Belutz> Razor-X: could you give an example?
[08:41] <saintFrance> madpilot: i tried it.. but it didnt give me new resolutions
[08:41] <Razor-X> Belutz: ``!!'' style history
[08:42] <Razor-X> you can use !! to call the last command
[08:42] <floppyears> nickrud: why should I use aptitude over apt-get ? I have heard that aptitude can be really slow and have a lot of baggage :(
[08:42] <Razor-X> !!:t to call the tail of the last command (say that was cd /foo/bar, it would return ``bar'')
[08:42] <thuron> java help for a complete noob
[08:42] <ubotu> Razor-X: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[08:42] <Belutz> Razor-X: cool !
[08:42] <nickrud> well, I'd say the 'slow' 'lots of baggage' is fud. Plainly.
[08:43] <Razor-X> Belutz: you don't even have to add that into your .zshrc at the moment, to get it to work without restarting your term, you can type it in, inserting ``;'' s whenever you see a linebreak
[08:43] <Razor-X> but, if you want it to work with every zsh instance, add it in your .zshrc
[08:44] <nickrud> floppyears, I've used it nearly exclusively for around 5 years. Mr. Burrows and compatriots have my life easier
[08:44] <Madpilot> saintFrance: sorry - i meant when talking to ubotu to get this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:44] <floppyears> nickrud: thanks
[08:44] <Belutz> yup... i usually just edit the zshrc in /etc/zsh
[08:44] <Madpilot> ubotu tell thuron about java
[08:44] <Razor-X> Belutz: shouldn't do that
[08:44] <Razor-X> if you ever want someone else to use it, yeah
[08:44] <Razor-X> plus, it's more convenient with stuff you want to add linking to your ``~'' directory
[08:45] <Belutz> Razor-X: hmmm i see...
[08:45] <Razor-X> other nice things about zsh are, (i'm not sure if this works by default, but it doesen't take much configuration) if you tell zsh ``/foo/bar'' and it's not a file
[08:45] <Razor-X> it'll automatically try to cd to it
[08:45] <Razor-X> while that _can_ get annoying at times, it's been a boon to me
[08:45] <Razor-X> (hard to get out of the ``cd'' habit, though)
[08:46] <Belutz> wewww
[08:46] <Belutz> cool!
[08:46] <Razor-X> echo is not really used in zsh, you use ``print'' (which has a few more features)
[08:46] <Belutz> can tcsh do that?
[08:46] <Razor-X> i'm not sure
[08:46] <Razor-X> !! is a tcsh thing
[08:46] <ubotu> ...but ! is already something else...
[08:46] <Belutz> so... i have to use #!/bin/zsh in shell script file?
[08:47] <Madpilot> Razor-X: you're confusing the poor bot tonight...
[08:47] <Razor-X> Belutz: if you want to use zsh in a shell script, yeah
[08:47] <Razor-X> but BASH shell scripts still call BASH
[08:47] <Razor-X> Madpilot: meh
[08:47] <Belutz> hahaha... it's fun to see ubotu confuse :p
[08:47] <Belutz> Razor-X: ic...
[08:49] <Razor-X> if [ blah = blah ]  is also deprecated in zsh
[08:49] <jesusfish> any one know of a 2.6.12 kernel package for hoary?
[08:49] <Belutz> any good documentation about zsh?
[08:49] <Razor-X> it's there, for those two stuck in their sh/BASH way, but [[ blah = blah] ]  is better, because it has some more features
[08:49] <Razor-X> Belutz: i'll get you the guide i'm following to learn zsh
[08:49] <Razor-X> http://zsh.sunsite.dk/Guide/zshguide.html
[08:49] <Razor-X> a bit old, nonetheless good
[08:49] <tiglionabbit> hey, I just burned a new hoary CD, and am installing it on my desktop.  Why is it trying to install LILO instead of GRUB?
[08:50] <Belutz> Razor-X: thx :)
[08:50] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: beats me *shrugs*
[08:50] <nickrud> tiglionabbit, cuz lilo rocks, basically
[08:50] <tiglionabbit> but...  I like grub
[08:50] <steady> yo
[08:51] <Razor-X> I know some LILO, and a lot more GRUB
[08:51] <Belutz> Razor-X: about the terminal, what terminal do u use? Xterm ?
[08:51] <ohbuntut> weh Belutz
[08:51] <saintFrance> brb guys
[08:51] <nickrud> tiglionabbit, you should be able to abort the lilo, install, and select a grub install. You must have got onto a non-standard path
[08:51] <tiglionabbit> um, why can't I install grub instead?
[08:51] <ohbuntut> dari indonesia ke Belutz
[08:51] <Belutz> ohbuntut: yup
[08:51] <ohbuntut> kekekek
[08:52] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: you can
[08:52] <Belutz> ohbuntut: speak indonesian only in #ubuntu-id :)
[08:52] <Razor-X> you can change the install steps
[08:52] <ohbuntut> ok
[08:52] <Razor-X> (IIRC)
[08:52] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: how?
[08:52] <tiglionabbit> I'm doing a normal install.  I'm using LVM
[08:52] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: there should be an option somewhere, when I installed Hoary
[08:53] <AndieB> God morning!
[08:53] <nickrud> hm, I get to bail, cuz I've never used lvm.
[08:53] <tiglionabbit> it's like "The LILO program needs to be installed to make your system bootable"
[08:53] <AndieB> Sorry, Good I mean... ;)
[08:53] <tiglionabbit> and doesn't let me choose grub
[08:53] <AndieB> How do I updat OpenOffice to a Swedish layout and to release 1.1.4?
[08:54] <tiglionabbit> what should I do?
[08:54] <nickrud> tiglionabbit, I'd just let the install put lilo in as the boot. Switch to grub later, after the install is done
[08:55] <tiglionabbit> how do I switch to grub later?
[08:55] <saintFrance> GUESS WHO FIXED HIS RESOLUTION?! me
[08:55] <saintFrance> lol im so excited
[08:55] <Belutz> saintFrance: congratz :D
[08:56] <nickrud> hm, I use lilo by pref, I only use grub cuz hoary does. grub-install does come to mind, though
[08:56] <Madpilot> saintFrance: cool - so what worked, in the end?
[08:56] <AndieB> Hmm, It's okay, I read that it is not possible to patch an update with OpenOffice.
[08:56] <saintFrance> oh
[08:56] <saintFrance> configuring xorg.conf
[08:56] <saintFrance> with my monitor
[08:56] <saintFrance> and adding the resos
[08:57] <tiglionabbit> hehe, I need to use ubuntu, because I'm a moron.  When I tried to use gentoo, I must have accidentally formatted my root partition as swap, because that's what ubuntu's partitioner detected it as
[08:57] <AndieB> tiglionabbit: Ouch...
[08:58] <tiglionabbit> gentoo installed, but it took fricking ages
[08:58] <tiglionabbit> of course, it probably usually does
[08:58] <jesusfish> any one know of a 2.6.12 kernel package for hoary?
[08:58] <bimberi> saintFrance: Great!
[08:58] <nickrud> lol, packages, packages and packages, and thanks to all
[08:59] <saintFrance> :D
[08:59] <saintFrance> im so happy
[08:59] <saintFrance> im not a linux virgin no more
[08:59] <saintFrance> lol
[08:59] <Belutz> i haven't got my ship it CD's :~(
[09:00] <bimberi> saintFrance: this is why people use linux - it feels great when you get past some of its annoyances :)
[09:00] <nickrud> saintFrance, congrats, and many happy returns :)
[09:00] <saintFrance> aha ill stick here for awhile
[09:00] <saintFrance> nice meeting u great guys
[09:00] <saintFrance> btw.. my name is francis if u didnt know yet
[09:00] <mebaran151> any hacks to X working in Breezy or do I have to live with an X that cant load because it cant find the keybaord modules
[09:00] <Belutz> nice to meet you francis
[09:01] <mebaran151> unfortunately Hoary's default install kernel fails to use my 6600 GT on PCI-E
[09:01] <mebaran151> Breezy is good with it though
[09:01] <nickrud> mebaran151, this afternoon's X version worked fine, except for a hiccup
[09:02] <nickrud> damn, it scrolled out of reach
[09:03] <mebaran151> nickrud: cool
[09:03] <mebaran151> let me try it now
[09:04] <nickrud> mebaran151, it was not accepting ctl-alt-f1 for the console, if Amaranth is around, maybe he'll repost fix
[09:05] <Amaranth> sudo dpkg -i --force-missconf /var/cache/apt/archives/xkeyboard-config_0.5-3_all.deb
[09:05] <Amaranth> nickrud: That did fix it, right?
[09:06] <nickrud> Amaranth, I'll need to reboot to breezy to check. I'm hoping mebaran151 will tell us sooner :)
[09:07] <bimberi> nickrud: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-current.html  <-- can be useful when things scroll out of reach
[09:08] <nickrud> heh, I just set up a 5,000 line scrollback
[09:08] <Razor-X> gah, I don't know what to do with qmail after it's supposedly installed ;)
[09:08] <Razor-X> time to read some more
[09:08] <Razor-X> wow, nobody's talking
[09:09] <bimberi> ubotu: irclogs is http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[09:09] <ubotu> okay, bimberi
[09:09] <Razor-X> did I get netsplitted? o_O
[09:09] <nickrud> I've always wondered about the ethics of logging irc; it's supposed to be ephemeral, as apposed to mail lilsts
[09:09] <Madpilot> no, there's a few ppl actually around...
[09:09] <floppyears> hi
[09:09] <floppyears> some of the folders in my home directory have 000 as their permission bits
[09:10] <Razor-X> nickrud: I have 239,282 lines of logs here
[09:10] <Razor-X> of this channel
[09:10] <floppyears> how can I make it so that all folders adn subfolders in a specific directory have the correct permissions
[09:10] <Razor-X> I do it for overall language study
[09:10] <Razor-X> floppyears: chmod -R
[09:10] <nickrud> oh, please, keep me out of that. I typo everywhere :)
[09:11] <bimberi> lol
[09:11] <zagalo> hai
[09:11] <Razor-X> nickrud: meh
[09:11] <Razor-X> well, i'm trying to create RINNS
[09:11] <floppyears> Razor-X: yes, but the problems is that if I do chmod -R  755 * it will affect not only the folders but also regular files
[09:11] <Razor-X> RINNS Is Not NetSpeak
[09:12] <Razor-X> floppyears: just the folders, hmm?
[09:12] <floppyears> and I want this chmod command to apply only to folders
[09:12] <floppyears> Razor-X: yep
[09:12] <Razor-X> floppyears: cp * *.file
[09:12] <Razor-X> and try to chmod everything that doesen't end in *.file
[09:13] <mebaran151> how do I love kernel poanics
[09:14] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I 'unno
[09:14] <Razor-X> I installed a compiled qmail, mebaran151 -- now what? ;)
[09:14] <saintFrance> so.. how old is everyone here anyway?
[09:14] <megaman_> 22
[09:14] <saintFrance> damn.
[09:14] <nickrud> 49
[09:14] <saintFrance> DAMN
[09:14] <Razor-X> 15
[09:15] <nickrud> damn, again
[09:15] <megaman_> anyone in here use US Cellular?
[09:15] <Razor-X> hoping to be the youngest maintainer, actually
[09:15] <saintFrance> darn
[09:15] <mebaran151> can ubuntu boot from an LVM
[09:15] <Razor-X> mebaran151: yeah
[09:15] <mebaran151> or do I need a separate /boot partition
[09:15] <saintFrance> im 16
[09:15] <saintFrance> lol
[09:15] <djp> can anyone tell me what applications i can test the changes i have made to preferred applications. i have changed my default web browser and want to test whether my changes have worked.
[09:16] <Tomcat_> <- 22
[09:16] <mebaran151> 18 here
[09:16] <Razor-X> saintFrance: are you ready to be a maintainer? because I have competition then ;)
[09:16] <mebaran151> Razor-X: what are you guys maintaining?
[09:16] <saintFrance> Razor-X: i dont even know what a maintainer is
[09:16] <Belutz> djp: double click an HTML file
[09:16] <mebaran151> Razor-X: you realize maintaining is dull work
[09:16] <Razor-X> saintFrance: we build/maintain the packages that you download
[09:16] <nickrud> djp, clicking this link http://gnome.org should open the link in your preferred app
[09:16] <Razor-X> mebaran151: better than the other options
[09:16] <Razor-X> more prestigious, rather
[09:17] <mebaran151> Razor-X: I would do it
[09:17] <mebaran151> just to improve the amd64 pkgs up
[09:17] <mebaran151> that are usually badly done
[09:17] <Razor-X> I would do it to get some more power packages up there
[09:17] <mebaran151> so much stuff can get statically compiled
[09:17] <saintFrance> btw wat are packages?
[09:17] <saintFrance> lol
[09:17] <mebaran151> saintFrance: debs?
[09:17] <djp> Belutz: that opens in firefox still
[09:17] <mebaran151> Razor-X: power
[09:17] <Razor-X> saintFrance: the things you get from synaptic/apt-get/aptitude
[09:17] <mebaran151> like dictatorship?
[09:17] <saintFrance> i see
[09:17] <Razor-X> mebaran151: a lot of the packages support only a few options
[09:17] <mebaran151> (pkg for MS?)
[09:17] <mebaran151> Razor-X: yeah
[09:17] <saintFrance> so what do they do?
[09:18] <mebaran151> some stuff needs to be compiled with better options
[09:18] <Razor-X> and while not everyone uses the obscure ones, power users do
[09:18] <Razor-X> exactly
[09:18] <efigyidol> saintFrance: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packages
[09:18] <djp> nickrud: opens in firefox. i know already though that because i am using x-chat, the program does not work when changes are made to gnome's default application.
[09:19] <saintFrance> lol thanks
[09:19] <djp> apparently programs like xpdf also do not work. it needs to be a program that is gnome specific or something like that...
[09:19] <Razor-X> really nice... errr... episode, yeah ;)
[09:19] <Iceman_AMD64> anyone able to help me install java
[09:19] <nickrud> djp, what I normally do is sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser ; it changes preferences at the lowest leve
[09:19] <Razor-X> I love the KDE maintainer though
[09:19] <nickrud> l
[09:20] <Razor-X> the person who does the KDE packages is incredible
[09:20] <djp> Belutz: the changes i have made are to the System/Preferences/Preferred Applications
[09:20] <saintFrance> guys how do i move like a picture from the desktop somehwere else?
[09:20] <Iceman_AMD64> Does JAVA work in the 64 bit version of ubuntu ?
[09:20] <djp> nickrud: interesting. ok will take a look. thanks
[09:20] <Razor-X> saintFrance: dragging and dropping works in the GUI just like it does in Windows
[09:21] <Razor-X> mebaran151: ``Windows users expect everything to be the same. Let them shove a stick up their ass and learn.''
[09:21] <saintFrance> oh but i cant do it on "file system"
[09:21] <saintFrance> but i can do it on "home folder"
[09:21] <Razor-X> just wanted to share a quote from TLLTS
[09:21] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:21] <nickrud> djp, /etc/alternatives is an interesting place to explore
[09:21] <cafuego> Iceman_AMD64: yes, but not the firefox plugin.
[09:21] <djp> cheers nickrud
[09:22] <Iceman_AMD64> cafuego dang it ... humm what otehr browsers are there for linux ?
[09:22] <Razor-X> Iceman_AMD64: tons
[09:22] <Razor-X> Opera (my favorite, and non-free (libre free))
[09:22] <saintFrance> whats the diff between root terminal and termina
[09:22] <Iceman_AMD64> What will allow me to install java on a 64 bit system ..
[09:22] <Razor-X> Konqueror is KDE
[09:22] <Razor-X> saintFrance: one is run as the root user -- the user with the privileges to do everything on the system, bad or good
[09:22] <cafuego> Iceman_AMD64: It will run as bad as usual if you install a 32bit chroot with a browser, java and the plug-in.
[09:23] <cafuego> Iceman_AMD64: ie: it will run like on anormal 32bit system.
[09:23] <Iceman_AMD64> cafuero lost me ... new at linux.. as well as 64 bit ...
[09:23] <Iceman_AMD64> how to backport the browser ?
[09:24] <Madpilot> saintFrance: you don't need root terminal much.
[09:24] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: you on breezy
[09:24] <Iceman_AMD64> log in as root, and install a 32 bit browser ?
[09:24] <saintFrance> alright
[09:24] <Madpilot> saintFrance: and you can't move stuff around in filesystem because that's almost all owned by root, not by you.
[09:24] <saintFrance> now im just fixing my desktop lol
[09:24] <cafuego> Iceman_AMD64: WHo said anything about backports? I said 32bit chroot.
[09:24] <Iceman_AMD64> ubuntu version 5.04
[09:24] <saintFrance> so wait root owns the comp.. and i own root technically
[09:24] <saintFrance> so omg whos root?
[09:24] <cafuego> Iceman_AMD64: Start by installing debootstrap.
[09:25] <Razor-X> saintFrance: hahahahaha ;)
[09:25] <Iceman_AMD64> whats that
[09:25] <Razor-X> root is your ``dark side''
[09:25] <Madpilot> saintFrance: heh. welcome to linux...
[09:25] <nickrud> saintFrance, that's an 'aha' moment
[09:25] <saintFrance> so i'm root.. but then again im not root
[09:25] <Razor-X> just so that you don't hit the shiny red self destruct button (a very limited oversimplification) we do that
[09:25] <Razor-X> so, you have to consciously try and be root, to be root, comprende?
[09:25] <Iceman_AMD64> whats debootstarp
[09:25] <mebaran151> is 30 GB enough for root
[09:25] <Madpilot> saintFrance: with sudo, you're root when you need to be. the rest of the time, your system is safe from you! ;)
[09:25] <mebaran151> for /
[09:26] <mebaran151> if I take home out
[09:26] <saintFrance> hahAHaha
[09:26] <saintFrance> so if im root.. bad things can happen
[09:26] <Razor-X> mebaran151: this is a 5 GB / partition ;)
[09:26] <saintFrance> i get it
[09:26] <serginho> exit
[09:26] <Razor-X> saintFrance: exactly
[09:26] <Razor-X> until you learn more
[09:26] <mebaran151> Razor-X: what if I want lots and lots and lots of stuff ....
[09:26] <mebaran151> I have never had less than 40GB
[09:26] <Razor-X> mebaran151: ahh, then ;)
[09:26] <saintFrance> i partitioned 20
[09:26] <saintFrance> :D
[09:26] <saintFrance> 60 for windows
[09:26] <Razor-X> i'm going to merge in another GB, I think
[09:26] <Razor-X> Windows gives me headaches
[09:27] <Razor-X> mebaran151: scroll up to see the quote I gave you
[09:27] <saintFrance> but if linux goes on well for me.. well ill just use linux
[09:27] <Madpilot> my root partition is 5Gb - only half full, too
[09:27] <Iceman_AMD64> whats debootstarp
[09:27] <nickrud> me, 5GB for ubuntu, everything else for me
[09:27] <mebaran151> Razor-X: 5GB
[09:27] <saintFrance> btw
[09:27] <Razor-X> Iceman_AMD64: a utilitiy that helps you customize the bootup of a system
[09:27] <mebaran151> I think I will do 20GB
[09:27] <DrFalken> hi ppl!!!
[09:27] <Razor-X> Madpilot: wow... ;)
[09:27] <saintFrance> WAIT
[09:27] <Razor-X> I get a lot of stuff
[09:27] <saintFrance> STOP!! waht is root partition?
[09:27] <Razor-X> only reason i'm staying within 5 GB is because UNIX is small
[09:28] <Razor-X> saintFrance: it's the partition where everything is placed on
[09:28] <Madpilot> saintFrance: that's where your system lives. it's called "filesystem" in Nautilus
[09:28] <nickrud> root partition is where ubunut resides
[09:28] <DrFalken> a lil' question... is there other way to install fonts instead of using "defoma"????
[09:28] <Razor-X> most of the OS is located on the Root partition
[09:28] <nickrud> *ubuntu
[09:28] <Iceman_AMD64> you can boot to 32 bit ubuntu with the 64 bit install ... grub offers the choice
[09:28] <saintFrance> i put 20 gb of parition for ubuntu
[09:28] <Razor-X> saintFrance: Ubuntu then (most likely) partitioned that into three partitions
[09:28] <Razor-X> 1 that contains the system itself
[09:28] <nickrud> the /home partition is where you reside
[09:28] <DrFalken> i'm not using gnome (i use fluxbox)... so, i don't use nautilus
[09:28] <Iceman_AMD64> would like to utilize the 64 bit though
[09:29] <Razor-X> 1 that contains the swap, which is like RAM on your harddrive (the Windows swapfile, for instance)
[09:29] <saintFrance> i see i get it
[09:29] <saintFrance> it says 14.3 GB left for home
[09:29] <saintFrance> i see i see
[09:29] <Razor-X> and 1 contains the boot partition (that controls the bootup of everything on the system)
[09:29] <saintFrance> hey i have two hard drives
[09:29] <saintFrance> how can i see my other one?
[09:29] <Iceman_AMD64> Any browser support 64 bit and java ...
[09:29] <saintFrance> coz i have like music and crap in that one
[09:29] <Razor-X> saintFrance: you can omunt it
[09:30] <saintFrance> what u mean?
[09:30] <Centaur> What is the name of the program that makes file sizes show up in mb and gb in a terminal?
[09:30] <saintFrance> btw so the "home folder" is where all my stuff goes?
[09:31] <saintFrance> sorry.. just getting used to not having a "my computer"
[09:31] <saintFrance> lmao
[09:31] <Madpilot> saintFrance: yeah, your own files and your configuration files
[09:31] <Razor-X> Centaur: ls -s
[09:31] <Razor-X> it shows files in kb
[09:31] <mebaran151> I want to compile nivida drivers manually for breezy
[09:31] <Razor-X> (you can change that behavior, though)
[09:31] <mebaran151> how might
[09:31] <mebaran151> I do that
[09:31] <saintFrance> so i have a slave hard drive.. how do i access that?
[09:32] <mebaran151> with nividia fscking installer
[09:32] <mebaran151> that refuses to run
[09:32] <Razor-X> mebaran151: does nvidia give the source away?
[09:32] <saintFrance> coz its not on the "computer" its not listed as a drive
[09:32] <mebaran151> Razor-X: HELL no
[09:32] <mebaran151> that has a been a big linux gripe for ages
[09:32] <nickrud> saintFrance, yeah, and, mounting is just putting the partitions with your music and stuff where you can find it
[09:32] <Razor-X> mebaran151: 's what I thought
[09:32] <mebaran151> they give you a crappy installer
[09:32] <Centaur> Razor-X: My friend once had it setup to always show sizes not in bytes though, is it possible to do that without a program?
[09:32] <Razor-X> saintFrance: ``My Computer'' is a very nice euphamism for your actual system
[09:32] <saintFrance> so how do i "mount"
[09:33] <Razor-X> Centaur: it's nothing that takes volumes of perusal ;)
[09:34] <Razor-X> Centaur: to view in megabytes, you want
[09:34] <parabolize> saintFrance, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions?highlight=%28windows%29%7C%28mount%29
[09:34] <Razor-X> ls --block-size=1048576 -s
[09:34] <Iceman_AMD64> anyone know a wiki link to java
[09:34] <Madpilot> !java
[09:34] <ubotu> hmm... java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[09:34] <Centaur> yeah, when I type df I would like to see it in mb and gb
[09:34] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: try the free Java
[09:34] <Madpilot> Iceman_AMD64: there you go - see ubotu
[09:34] <sataere> Okay, can someone help me?  I'm trying to configure my atheros based card using madwifi, and it gets an IP and everything, but I'm not able to connect to anything.
[09:34] <Razor-X> Centaur: oh, df
[09:34] <mebaran151> it is fabulous now
[09:34] <mebaran151> in how bad it is
[09:34] <Madpilot> ubotu tell Burgundavia about list
[09:34] <Razor-X> Centaur: have you read the df manpage?
[09:35] <Iceman_AMD64> got to see how to get a browser to run java in 64 bit
[09:35] <DJ_Necrogami> anyone dealt w/ mythtv install w/ ubuntu?
[09:35] <Razor-X> df -B1048576
[09:35] <saintFrance> wat does "mount" mean anyway?
[09:35] <Razor-X> plugged straight from the man page, baby
[09:35] <Centaur> Razor-X, No I didn't cause I thought it was a program that did it
[09:35] <Razor-X> Centaur: what program?
[09:35] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: it might be weird
[09:35] <Razor-X> any program you invoke in a terminal uses itself, generally speaking
[09:35] <mebaran151> I think Java bytecode is supposed to be completely portable
[09:35] <Razor-X> especially the core UNIX utilities
[09:36] <Iceman_AMD64> no 64 bit support from sun ...;(
[09:36] <nickrud> !list
[09:36] <ubotu> it has been said that list is at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuFactoids
[09:36] <Razor-X> saintFrance: that's when you tell the computer that a drive/partition should be displayed
[09:36] <mebaran151> but I think it might assume 32 bit ints or floats or something ....
[09:36] <saintFrance> alright alright
[09:36] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: blackhawk does it
[09:36] <Iceman_AMD64> whats blackhawk
[09:36] <Centaur> Razor-X, I don't know, but I previously had debian and my friend had it setup that whenever I typed ls or df sizes weren't listed in bytes
[09:36] <Razor-X> Centaur: yeah, you can add an alias for that
[09:37] <Razor-X> mebaran151: in BASH, can you define aliases on the fly?
[09:37] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: it is like a condoned port
[09:37] <nickrud> Centaur, he had an alias, like alias df=
[09:37] <mebaran151> Razor-X: maybe ...
[09:37] <mebaran151> I've never had to do it
[09:37] <Centaur> Razor-X, An alias? I've never heard of that
[09:37] <Razor-X> Centaur: very common stuff in the world of the commandline
[09:37] <nickrud> alias df='df -h
[09:37] <Razor-X> try this ``alias df='df -b1048576' ''
[09:38] <nickrud> enter key is too close to the '
[09:38] <Razor-X> nickrud: he wants everything in MB though, not just human readable
[09:38] <Iceman_AMD64> dang linux... 64 bit ... "no sun support ...
[09:38] <Iceman_AMD64> where can i find blackhawk
[09:38] <Razor-X> least, I think so
[09:38] <nickrud> only MB?
[09:38] <Razor-X> nickrud: yeah
[09:38] <Razor-X> I gave him that
[09:39] <Razor-X> that's the amount of bytes per megabyte, exactly
[09:39] <nickrud> I bow to a latecomer (heh)
[09:39] <ZincX> is there a download manager ?
[09:39] <Iceman_AMD64> anyone have a link to blackhawk ?
[09:39] <Centaur> Razor-X, not exactly mb but in the biggest size possible
[09:40] <Razor-X> Centaur: then you want df -h
[09:40] <Razor-X> I know zsh allows aliases on the fly
[09:40] <Razor-X> if nickrud's alias works for you, add it in the last line of your .bashrc
[09:40] <nickrud> Razor-X, how the heck did you just pop that number up ;)
[09:40] <Razor-X> (located in ~/.bashrc)
[09:40] <saintFrance> so besides reading the webiste u gave me madpilot
[09:40] <saintFrance> what esle should i do?
[09:41] <saintFrance> and now that i have linux.. what can i do and should do with it
[09:41] <Razor-X> nickrud: 1024^2
[09:41] <nickrud> of course :)
[09:41] <Centaur> okay, so add alias df='df -h in my bashrc file?
[09:41] <Razor-X> saintFrance: that depends on your needs, and the skill level you want to acheive
[09:42] <Razor-X> Centaur: alias df='df -h'
[09:42] <newbie3> hey all um
[09:42] <Madpilot> saintFrance: take a look around the Ubuntu wiki - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ - for more info on lots of stuff
[09:42] <saintFrance> Razor-X: so what do u think i should do?
[09:42] <mebaran151> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_RTFM
[09:42] <Razor-X> saintFrance: my own suggestion is to learn the command-line
[09:42] <Razor-X> but that's me ;)
[09:42] <saintFrance> then?
[09:42] <saintFrance> yah im reading about it right now
[09:42] <newbie3> what to connect to machines by crossover cable
[09:42] <saintFrance> D
[09:42] <Centaur> okay, thanks Razor-X I'll give that a try
[09:42] <saintFrance> D:
[09:42] <Razor-X> I was stuck on an X-less box in my first experience with Linux
[09:42] <parabolize> saintFrance, setup your window part to auto mount like the site said. after that enjoy
[09:42] <newbie3> whant to
[09:42] <nickrud> then, saintFrance you'll be a guru
[09:42] <newbie3> want**
[09:42] <Iceman_AMD64> saintFrance ... look at it like this... linux will do more than window will, it just has not done it yet ...
[09:42] <Razor-X> and yeah, that's where it all started, 4 years ago ;)
[09:42] <Razor-X> saintFrance: the CLI is no easy task
[09:43] <saintFrance> Razor-X: yah after what im reading... it doesnt seem easy
[09:43] <Razor-X> if you know the Linux command-line, you have incredible power before you
[09:43] <Razor-X> saintFrance: you can do it, I learned it at 11
[09:43] <newbie3> do i need to put anything in /etc/hosts? or /etc/hosts.allow or something to link to machines by a crossed rj-45 ?
[09:43] <saintFrance> btw.. whats up with these guys.. with crazy looking desktops
[09:43] <Razor-X> saintFrance: customization ;)
[09:44] <Razor-X> you can take a look at my emacs/Eterm/desktop if you want to
[09:44] <saintFrance> haha it looks ncie
[09:44] <nickrud> saintFrance, it's not nearly as hard as it seems, just bite off a piece at at a time
[09:44] <Razor-X> exactly
[09:44] <saintFrance> alrighty
[09:44] <saintFrance> ima study the command line first
[09:44] <Razor-X> learn ``man'' first, highly suggested
[09:44] <Iceman_AMD64> saintFrance gnome-look or kde-look ... you can mod your desktop...
[09:44] <Madpilot> !themes
[09:44] <ubotu> hmm... themes is http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/
[09:44] <Razor-X> man == manual page
[09:45] <Madpilot> saintFrance: more stuff there ^^^ on weirding out your desktop than anyone needs!
[09:45] <saintFrance> hahaha
[09:45] <Iceman_AMD64> lol ;)
[09:45] <Razor-X> experience with commands teach you about them, but very few people have not encountered a new command in the last 3 years
[09:45] <saintFrance> are gnome and kde diff?
[09:45] <Razor-X> man pages are gerat for that
[09:45] <Iceman_AMD64> absolutly
[09:45] <Razor-X> saintFrance: quite different
[09:46] <newbie3> do i need to put anything in /etc/hosts? or /etc/hosts.allow or something to link to machines by a crossed rj-45 ?
[09:46] <jesper> Hi.
[09:46] <newbie3> do i need to put anything in /etc/hosts? or /etc/hosts.allow or something to link to machines by a crossed rj-45 ?
[09:46] <Razor-X> I prefer the feel of KDE/Enlightenment/XFce (all different Window Managers) more than Gnome, or Window Maker, or FVWM, or Fluxbox (more WMs)
[09:46] <newbie3> anyone?
[09:46] <jesper> On shipit, it says that the CD's was sent at the 30 of June, anyone who has recieved anything from that shipment yet?
[09:47] <Burgundavia> jesper, yes
[09:47] <newbie3> is there anything needed in seting up a crossed eth conection other than two static IPs?
[09:47] <newbie3> do i need to put anything in /etc/hosts? or /etc/hosts.allow or something to link to machines by a crossed rj-45 ?
[09:47] <jesper> Burgundavia: Where in the world and when did you recieve them?
[09:47] <Burgundavia> jesper, Western Canada and I received them about a month ago
[09:48] <rowanjl> I'm still waiting on cds I asked for in May
[09:48] <Burgundavia> shipit is not Amazon
[09:48] <jesper> rowanjl: are the marked as sent on "shipit"?
[09:48] <rowanjl> jesper, nope
[09:48] <newbie3> Seveas: hey seveas you around?
[09:48] <Burgundavia> jesper, what country?
[09:48] <jesper> Denmark
[09:49] <Burgundavia> jesper, check with customs?
[09:49] <jesper> Burgundavia: The warty shipment went through without anything..
[09:49] <Burgundavia> customs is wierd
[09:49] <Burgundavia> if yours are anything like ours
[09:50] <Iceman_AMD64> i just received 5.04 about 3 or 4 weeks ago
[09:50] <jesper> The warty CD's was sent from netherlands.. that's inside the EU, thereby no custom.
[09:52] <jesper> It just "potato-time" here in Denmark.. and I believe that I could get some journalist to do a review if I'd sent them a small guide and som "officiallooking" CD's.
[09:52] <rowanjl> jesper, where shout it be marked as 'sent'?
[09:53] <mebaran151> nickrud: me too
[09:53] <mebaran151> I was neato
[09:53] <jesper> rowanjl: listed in "CD mailing history"
[09:53] <mebaran151> Swiss Bank chocolate money watches stuff
[09:53] <rowanjl> jesper, oh ok
[09:53] <mebaran151> damn Linux, I mean great
[09:53] <nickrud> well, I've only looked back a couple of times
[09:54] <PurpleMotion> grr
[09:54] <PurpleMotion> dalnet is fucked
[09:54] <PurpleMotion> has been for hours
[09:54] <pax> has been for years
[09:54] <leroj> how do i check wich graphics card i have?
[09:54] <PurpleMotion> lspci | grep -i ideo
[09:55] <PurpleMotion> maybe not
[09:55] <PurpleMotion> heh
[09:55] <nickrud> leroj, sudo lspci -v gives you detailed info, you should see your vid card
[09:55] <mebaran151> leroj
[09:55] <crispynix-v6> lspci |grep VGA
[09:55] <ZincX> is there a download manager for linux ?
[09:55] <mebaran151> ZincX: yeah
[09:55] <leroj> i'm getting confused here
[09:55] <mebaran151> comes with Firefox
[09:55] <PurpleMotion> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 Pro Ultra TF (prog-if 00 [VGA] )
[09:55] <mebaran151> wget is pretty good
[09:55] <crispynix-v6> ZincX: lots
[09:56] <orac7000> ZincX: d4x
[09:56] <mebaran151> most accurate one ever
[09:56] <mebaran151> curl ccan even do some stuff
[09:56] <orac7000> ZincX: that is Downloader for X, like getright etc...
[09:56] <nickrud> leroj, not suprised,, we all told you ways of getting the same info
[09:56] <ZincX> hmm.. k
[09:56] <leroj> :)
[09:56] <leroj> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200 ]  (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA] )
[09:56] <leroj> woo
[09:57] <nickrud> !restrictedformats
[09:57] <ubotu> restrictedformats is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[09:57] <PurpleMotion> anybody know of any good graphical mmorpg's for linux?
[09:57] <PurpleMotion> oh yeah, and free
[09:57] <PurpleMotion> heh
[09:57] <nickrud> !nvidia
[09:57] <ubotu> somebody said nvidia was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:57] <nickrud> leroj, that's the link, ^^
[09:58] <crispynix-v6> PurpleMotion: planeshift, eternal lands, maybe some others. compared to proprietary ones though, they kinda suck.
[09:58] <leroj> I need new drivers
[09:58] <PurpleMotion> crispynix-v6:  can i get some links?
[09:58] <leroj> should i download them from nvidias site or use apt-get/synaptic?
[09:59] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-devel/loading_everything.png hurrah
[09:59] <PurpleMotion> i need a new video card, so dont feel bad
[09:59] <ZincX> hmm.. i have to install my ati graphix card ???
[09:59] <nickrud> I'll say no more than be safe, use the ubuntu wiki link.
[09:59] <crispynix-v6> PurpleMotion: http://www.planeshift.it/  http://www.eternal-lands.com/  http://www.happypenguin.org/
[09:59] <mebaran151> crispynix-v6: yeah
[09:59] <mebaran151> Games kind of have to be propreitary
[10:00] <parabolize> leroj, read both ubotu's (the bot)  posts
[10:00] <mebaran151> esp those that need HUGE infrastruces
[10:00] <nickrud> Amaranth, you almost coax me into messing with menus :)
[10:00] <crispynix-v6> mebaran151: there are a few good Free ones. Planeshift is okay, and Battle for Wesnoth is decent.
[10:00] <something_else> hmm, I dont know what it is, for some odd reasons, every download I do stalls ... regardless of through browser, irc, torrent
[10:00] <mebaran151> !nvidia
[10:00] <ubotu> methinks nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:00] <Amaranth> nickrud: hehe
[10:00] <mebaran151> alll newbies should read http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_RTFM
[10:00] <something_else> by stalls I mean after every 10 mb or so, the speed reduces to 0.00 before it times out
[10:00] <mebaran151> in fact everyone should
[10:01] <Amaranth> nickrud: I just spent 10 minutes playing with my new speedy loading of that right side list of entries
[10:01] <Amaranth> nickrud: it's so fun
[10:01] <saintFrance> !theme
[10:01] <ubotu> theme is probably http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/
[10:01] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, games needing to be non-free is total fud. By that rule, so do OSes, as they need hug intrastructures
[10:01] <mebaran151> Burgundavia: eh
[10:02] <mebaran151> I cant think of any good open source games
[10:02] <mebaran151> that arent the old ones
[10:02] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, games are coming along as the gamers move
[10:02] <mebaran151> I think game development is less condusive to the open source model
[10:02] <mebaran151> but maybe t is just too young
[10:02] <psychonate> foobillard is nice, but it's not a huge game
[10:02] <poningru> hey anyone here a sound expert? esd I mean
[10:02] <Superfrog> i tried americas army yesterday ;)
[10:02] <psychonate> it looks pretty good for a pool game; good graphics
[10:02] <poningru> need help with fixing the sound stuff
[10:03] <mebaran151> we need to have maybe one of those prestigious projects and rally hundreds of gamers
[10:03] <psychonate> well, there is a linux gaming site, but I think most people don't know about it
[10:03] <psychonate> www.happypenguin.org
[10:03] <crispynix-v6> it's fscking ugly too
[10:03] <psychonate> news about commercial games, free games, ati/nvidia drivers
[10:04] <psychonate> crispynix-v6, maybe it thinks you are ugly :)
[10:04] <crispynix-v6> maybe ;p
[10:05] <Madpilot> there's also http://tuxgames.com/
[10:06] <Superfrog> does anyone have expereances with Siemens Gigaset usb adapter 54 ?
[10:07] <rowanjl> I went to follow the instructions for installing the nvidia gfx drivers on warty, but I get this error: E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate
[10:07] <rowanjl> What do I need to do?
[10:07] <ma3x> is ppracer available for ubuntu
[10:07] <concept10> Has anyone installed the game called VDrift? http://vdrift.net/
[10:07] <psychonate> nah, I don't really play games much
[10:08] <psychonate> played Diablo II for a long time, then ET for a long time, then nethack for a while heh
[10:09] <rowanjl> Anyone? :/
[10:09] <Madpilot> concept10: that looks pretty cool. bookmarked!
[10:09] <ma3x> what graphic card requirements has diabo?
[10:09] <mebaran151> is ubuntu prebuilt with fbdev support
[10:09] <mebaran151> I am guessing that lest you use the fb driver
[10:10] <concept10> Madpilot, I know!  I only play one game, which is a mod to ET.  Its very good
[10:10] <psychonate> ma3x, doesn't need anything great.
[10:10] <concept10> but I need something new
[10:10] <ma3x> where can i see list of games for ubuntu?
[10:10] <psychonate> ma3x, you need cedega or wine though
[10:10] <ma3x> i hate wine
[10:10] <saintFrance> !theme
[10:10] <ubotu> well, theme is http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/
[10:11] <hhurtta_> nice :)
[10:11] <leroj> hehe, smeg
[10:11] <ma3x> what is warty, hoary, breezy?
[10:11] <rowanjl> smeg where?
[10:11] <ma3x> is it like stable unstable?
[10:11] <concept10> ma3x, no
[10:11] <Amaranth> !smeg
[10:11] <ubotu> from memory, smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[10:12] <concept10> ma3x, Warty and Hoary are stable releases. Breezy is the next release
[10:12] <hhurtta_> warty is codename for previous, whoary for current and breezy is upcoming
[10:12] <ZincX> tsk tsk.. where do i download this d4x /
[10:13] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> I think my iMac is hoary.
[10:13] <ZincX> ?
[10:13] <rowanjl> Perhaps the engine didn't install correctly?
[10:13] <LeaChim> i've lost my text editor from the gnome menu :/ - yet the gedit.desktop file is still in /usr/share/applications
[10:14] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> Hey does anyone know how to get this thing to network with my Windoze systems?
[10:16] <newbie3> :(
[10:17] <newbie3> any body tell me how to set up p2p network with crossed rj45?
[10:18] <newbie3> most stuff is done but
[10:18] <newbie3> not all
[10:18] <newbie3> annywon?
[10:19] <mebaran151> X IS working in breezy now
[10:19] <mebaran151> so it is safe to let pat run an upgrade right?
[10:19] <LeaChim> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac, make sure i's on the same subnet and use the samba tools
[10:19] <mebaran151> newbie3, that is hardware dependent I think
[10:19] <mebaran151> why do you have crossed rj45 anyway
[10:19] <LeaChim> mebaran151, newbie3 is gone :P
[10:20] <mebaran151> LeaChim: heheh, chatzilla doesnt tell me when people leave
[10:20] <desrt> mebaran151; since when?
[10:20] <LeaChim> lol
[10:20] <LeaChim> he's back mebaran151 :P
[10:20] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> What was he even saying?
[10:20] <mebaran151> desrt: i remember it being a bios option
[10:20] <mebaran151> awhile back
[10:20] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> This whole linux thing is so confusing.
[10:20] <newbie3> i was asking about p2p networking with crossed rj-45 cable
[10:20] <mebaran151> and an option on my router
[10:20] <desrt> mebaran151; no.  X working.
[10:20] <newbie3> if i was me
[10:21] <znh> newbie3: what kind of p2p network do you like to setup?
[10:21] <mebaran151> desrt: so does X or not work?
[10:21] <mebaran151> I got reports both ways
[10:21] <desrt> mebaran151; ah.  ok.  you don't have new news :)
[10:21] <mebaran151> I know X works from colony 2
[10:21] <Iceman-AMD64> I wonder if i can run duel channel DDR ram... anyone know if Duel channel will be cross compatable ?
[10:21] <newbie3> znh: i want to computers to conect with a crossed rj45 cable
[10:21] <desrt> i'm running breezy here and X is working
[10:21] <desrt> but it's badly broken
[10:21] <mebaran151> desrt: what do you do to fix it
[10:21] <desrt> specifically, lots of the X utilities are missing
[10:21] <desrt> keyboard layouts don't work properly
[10:21] <PurpleMotion> yeah
[10:21] <PurpleMotion> turn on samba
[10:21] <mebaran151> yeah
[10:21] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> So does anyone know how to network linux with windows?
[10:22] <desrt> mkfontdir is gone
[10:22] <desrt> etc
[10:22] <mebaran151> but does it start up
[10:22] <mebaran151> arg
[10:22] <desrt> mebaran151; only with a lot of help
[10:22] <mebaran151> why do we keep breaking X?
[10:22] <znh> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: quite easy with samba
[10:22] <mebaran151> on
[10:22] <mebaran151> oh
[10:22] <Madpilot> Iceman-AMD64: AFAIK, dual-channel DDR is a hardware/bios thing. mine seems to work fine w/ Ubuntu, I know
[10:22] <desrt> mebaran151; i don't recommend upgrading to breezy unless you can deal with it
[10:22] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> zng so install samba then?
[10:22] <desrt> :)
[10:22] <Iceman-AMD64> Will deul channel DDr work in a MOBO that does not support it ?
[10:22] <znh> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: yes, only the package smbfs is required to mount windows partitions on the network
[10:22] <newbie3> znh: Ive set to static IPs but they do not talk or ping
[10:23] <desrt> Iceman-AMD64; ?!?!?
[10:23] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> So both of those then?
[10:23] <Iceman-AMD64> not sure if my motherboard will run Duel channel ram
[10:23] <znh> Iceman-AMD64: hm.. dual channel is a function of the motherboard hisself - it has nothing to do with the ram
[10:23] <Madpilot> Iceman-AMD64: yeah but it just won't be dual-channel. it'll just be two sticks of RAM, that's all
[10:23] <mebaran151> desrt: I have only a slight problem with Hoary
[10:23] <desrt> Iceman-AMD64; if your mother board doesn't support dual channel, then yes, your mother board doesn't support dual channel
[10:23] <mebaran151> the installer kernel panics on boot with my PCI-E express card
[10:23] <Iceman-AMD64> not sure, cant see if the mobo will run it as duel
[10:23] <Madpilot> Iceman-AMD64: and it's "dual", not "duel" - unless you're fighting with your RAM sticks...
[10:24] <Iceman-AMD64> AMD 64 processor ...
[10:24] <newbie3> znh: any ideas?
[10:24] <mebaran151> Madpilot: I constantly fight with RAM
[10:24] <desrt> mebaran151; arf.
[10:24] <znh> Madpilot: some people do..
[10:24] <mebaran151> it builds character
[10:24] <desrt> mebaran151; i don't think there is a breezy installer cd yet anyway
[10:24] <znh> newbie3: I don't know what you are trying to do
[10:24] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> It will run the memory, but not dual channelly I think.
[10:24] <Madpilot> mebaran151: heh.
[10:24] <mebaran151> desrt: uh there is
[10:24] <mebaran151> I just used it
[10:25] <mebaran151> Colony 2 is up on the mirrors
[10:25] <desrt> mebaran151; interesting.
[10:25] <newbie3> znh: conect to computers via crossed rj45
[10:25] <znh> Iceman-AMD64: dual channel is feuture that allows the double of the normal transfer speed to your ram-motherboard
[10:25] <znh> newbie3: ok, that's quite easy
[10:25] <Iceman-AMD64> have to resurch more on my mobo
[10:25] <newbie3> znh, mmm?
[10:25] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> thank you. bye
[10:25] <newbie3> znh: all ears
[10:26] <znh> newbie3: typ this on pc #1 (you may choose wich that may be)
[10:26] <mebaran151> Iceman-AMD64: 939 has dual channel
[10:26] <mebaran151> all of them
[10:26] <Madpilot> Iceman-AMD64: google your mobo's model number
[10:26] <Iceman-AMD64> yea .. 754 here though ..
[10:26] <znh> newbie3: sudo ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> broadcast <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:27] <concept10> does anyone have problems with streaming video in Firefox?
[10:27] <mebaran151> I am reading bugzilla now
[10:27] <znh> concept10: with what plugin :-)?
[10:27] <Iceman-AMD64> Wish linux had more games ... and 64 bit work done ..
[10:27] <mebaran151> Iceman-AMD64: single channel
[10:27] <mebaran151> 754 is all single channel
[10:28] <znh> Iceman-AMD64: truecombat is pretty awesome, and it's free ofcourse:p
[10:28] <newbie3> znh: what dose that doo?
[10:28] <mebaran151> it doesnt make so big a deal with AMD64, because the mem ontrollert is quite low latency
[10:28] <Iceman-AMD64> that was my guess ... getting at least a gig of ram ... next move
[10:28] <Madpilot> mebaran151: seriously? even my SocketA mobo is dual RAM
[10:28] <newbie3> znh: does that just set that ip static to my nic?
[10:28] <znh> newbie3: it gives your computer a static ip address (DHCP won't work without a router/other dhcp server)
[10:28] <newbie3> znh: i did that
[10:28] <mebaran151> Madpilot: it is a little more complex with AMD64
[10:28] <newbie3> but it din't work
[10:28] <mebaran151> because the mem controller is on chip
[10:28] <concept10> this is a GREAT extension for firefox for streaming video concerns" http://membres.lycos.fr/sethnakht/
[10:29] <mebaran151> so it all depends on the skt
[10:29] <Iceman-AMD64> truecombat ... ? have to take a look
[10:29] <znh> newbie3: but I am right that crossed rj45, is just a ordinary cross cable?
[10:29] <Superfrog> i installed americas army  , its running but without 5.1 sound , i have nforce 2 and alsa , is 5.1 possible?
[10:29] <mebaran151> (your mem controller features are on chip)
[10:29] <Madpilot> mebaran151: interesting. still glad I didn't buy 64 earlier this year...
[10:29] <mebaran151> Madpilot: but it really doesnt need it
[10:29] <Possible> just installed ubuntu 5.04 here. Now I try to use some java apps...I thought it came with java ?
[10:30] <newbie3> znh : I may have said the name wrong but its a crossed cable not a nomal uncrosed one
[10:30] <Iceman-AMD64> truecombat for linux ?
[10:30] <mebaran151> onchip mem controllers make your RAM approach L3 latencies
[10:30] <mebaran151> sometimes faster
[10:30] <mebaran151> one of teh secrets to why Alpha was really great
[10:30] <znh> Possible: not really, it's easy to install manauly ;-)
[10:30] <mebaran151> dual channel is just whizbang
[10:30] <ma3x> how can i turn off the sound when i press backspace in the console
[10:30] <newbie3> znh: do I have to set anything in hosts.allow or hosts?
[10:30] <Madpilot> Possible: no java by default
[10:30] <Madpilot> !java
[10:30] <ubotu> well, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[10:30] <mebaran151> but skt 939 has it
[10:30] <znh> newbie3: negative, you have to put a static ip on your second pc also
[10:30] <Madpilot> Possible: see ubotu's link just above this one
[10:30] <mebaran151> !bot
[10:30] <ubotu> Indeed, that is what I am.
[10:30] <Possible> znh, well I used the package manager and did a search for java...installed 2 packages but no go
[10:31] <mebaran151> !ubotu?
[10:31] <ubotu> I guess ubotu is uh... Thaaat's me! I'm a bot. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu!
[10:31] <newbie3> znh: yeah i did that but it didn't work
[10:31] <mebaran151> !dri
[10:31] <ubotu> mebaran151: I don't know, could you explain it?
[10:31] <Madpilot> Possible: search Synaptic for "jre"...
[10:31] <Possible> 'k
[10:31] <mebaran151> !fix borked X before I die ...
[10:31] <ubotu> mebaran151: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:32] <znh> newbie3: what didn't work?
[10:32] <NicP> ubotu: hows it going
[10:32] <ubotu> Wish i knew, NicP
[10:32] <NicP> lol
[10:32] <Possible> Madpilot, no packages
[10:32] <Iceman-AMD64> got to love 64 bit .. 1800 mhz and it outruns my p4 2.8 ghz
[10:32] <Madpilot> Possible: see here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[10:32] <mebaran151> Iceman-AMD64: of course
[10:32] <Possible> Madpilot,  'k..I am there...let me read..
[10:32] <ma3x> if i am at the beginning at the console type promt, and i press again backspace i get weird sound
[10:32] <mebaran151> if I fix X manually
[10:33] <Madpilot> !repos
[10:33] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:33] <ma3x> can i disable it?
[10:33] <mebaran151> when a real fix is committed
[10:33] <mebaran151> will it remember to clear my hacks
[10:33] <mebaran151> or will apt go wtf mate
[10:33] <Madpilot> Possible: check http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto as well
[10:33] <Possible> Madpilot, 'k thanks :)
[10:34] <znh> nelsongs: hey wb :-)
[10:34] <nelsongs> znh:  thanks!
[10:34] <Possible> wtf....apt: command not found..
[10:34] <znh> Possible: try apt-get instead ?
[10:34] <Possible> oh wait...I used a space..
[10:34] <Possible> duh
[10:34] <nelsongs> znh:  do you have any idea on the TI media card reader?
[10:34] <znh> :-D
[10:35] <znh> nelsongs: hmm card readers
[10:35] <nelsongs> znh:  aren't they supported yet?
[10:35] <Madpilot> Possible: use Synaptic. GUI > CLI mostly...
[10:35] <znh> nelsongs: I think they are, i'll google some
[10:35] <newbie3> znh: how do i set it back to dhcp
[10:35] <newbie3> ?
[10:35] <nelsongs> znh:  i have a texas instrument media card reader
[10:36] <Possible> Madpilot,  well I used te GUI first...didn't get me any further..I am following the directions of the website now
[10:36] <znh> newbie3: just run dhcpclient eth0 as sudo
[10:36] <nelsongs> znh: i have resolved my video, just to let you know  :)
[10:36] <ma3x> how can i output to TV?
[10:36] <mebaran151> I think it is time for me to learn emacs .... without X
[10:36] <znh> nelsongs: did you? how :-)?
[10:37] <ma3x> i want to connect my laptop to the TV
[10:37] <ma3x> to transfer the screen
[10:37] <ma3x> is this possible in ubuntu?
[10:37] <Iceman-AMD64> treucombat ... an et mod ... ?
[10:37] <orac7000> can anyone remind me of the piped command that was posted to upgrade firefox, please
[10:37] <nelsongs> znh: lot of steps that i couldn't even remember anymore.  **confused**
[10:38] <mebaran151> yep X is definitely dead
[10:38] <znh> nelsongs: hehe, well yea the result mathers :D
[10:38] <Madpilot> Possible: unfortunately, it's faster & easier to put text commands up on the wiki - if you want to contribute screenshots, please do!
[10:38] <Burgundavia> orac7000, just use the update manager
[10:38] <znh> nelsongs: about the TI card reader, I see more people with the problem that it's not being recounized
[10:38] <orac7000> Burgundavia: thanks
[10:39] <Burgundavia> orac7000, all ubuntu releases have the latest mozilla stuff
[10:40] <znh> nelsongs: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25121.html
[10:41] <LeaChim> i've lost my text editor from the gnome menu :/ - yet the gedit.desktop file is still in /usr/share/applications
[10:41] <mebaran151> so who manually has fixed X
[10:41] <LeaChim> how do i get it back? :P
[10:41] <znh> LeaChim: have you tried smeg yet?
[10:41] <nelsongs> znh: now i'm getting frustrated again
[10:41] <LeaChim> znh, ?
[10:42] <Amaranth> !smeg
[10:42] <ubotu> it has been said that smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[10:42] <znh> Amaranth: cheers :-)
[10:42] <LeaChim> znh, well, i didn't change anything in /usr/share applications. one day there, next day gone :P
[10:42] <nelsongs> znh: good thing i don't need the media card reader atm
[10:42] <Iceman-AMD64> to bad loki went under ..
[10:42] <znh> nelsongs: It's a known issue, and your not the only one that has the problem - I bet they are working on it
[10:43] <mebaran151> I hate X
[10:43] <mebaran151> who packages t
[10:43] <mebaran151> it
[10:43] <znh> mebaran151: without X life would be harder :-P
[10:43] <nelsongs> znh: i hope they are.  i actually saw one group that develops TI drivers
[10:43] <mebaran151> I just wish he wouldnt be so adventurous in comitting new versions
[10:43] <mebaran151> or at least TEST what he puts up
[10:43] <nelsongs> znh: and they're selling the sdk for the driver
[10:43] <mebaran151> what is the reasoning behind putting up a ridiculously broken version of X
[10:44] <nelsongs> znh: i tried to install it, but it's just an evaluation.
[10:44] <znh> mebaran151: well they are enjoying the reactions of angry people
[10:44] <Iceman-AMD64> One thing someone need to do with linux... creat a bootable cd, and have auto load drivers and turn the pc into a console game
[10:44] <znh> nelsongs: evaluation?
[10:44] <mebaran151> znh: yeah, but you cant even bug test it
[10:44] <nelsongs> znh: no proper documentation on how to activate the drivers
[10:44] <mebaran151> Iceman-AMD64: done done and done
[10:44] <mebaran151> geexbox can do it
[10:44] <mebaran151> if you mod it just a little
[10:44] <znh> nelsongs: is it a tar package?
[10:44] <nelsongs> znh: yeah, coz they're selling the sdk
[10:44] <Amaranth> mebaran151: breezy is not about users
[10:45] <knowledge_> am I still connected?
[10:45] <knowledge_> or can no one read this
[10:45] <knowledge_> ?
[10:45] <Amaranth> mebaran151: breezy is about getting things done
[10:45] <bornandra> so i have been away from my ubuntu box for a couple months and now ubuntu update manager wont work. Did sources.list change recently?
[10:45] <mebaran151> Amaranth: but does breaking X really really badly get anything to work?
[10:45] <znh> knowledge_ has been quoted
[10:45] <nelsongs> znh: and you can generate and compile the drivers thru their sdk, but won't let you use it
[10:45] <znh> nelsongs: blah that's kinda useless :-(
[10:46] <nelsongs> znh: they have their own program to run it so that you could test it to your hardware if it works
[10:46] <bornandra> can anyone point me to the updated sources.list please :)
[10:46] <mebaran151> argh Debian unstable was never so bad ...
[10:46] <Amaranth> mebaran151: he is modularizing the entire xorg tree, sometimes he needs to get things uploaded so other things can build on them and he doesn't have all the pieces yet so things break
[10:46] <mebaran151> Amaranth: oh
[10:46] <mebaran151> now I see where he is going
[10:46] <nelsongs> znh: yeah, i know, suckers, they all are
[10:46] <znh> bornandra: run apt-setup :-)
[10:46] <Amaranth> mebaran151: breezy users are the testbed for the Xorg 7.0 modulurization :)
[10:46] <mebaran151> that is actually a pretty good idea now that my misplaced anger has been vented
[10:46] <znh> nelsongs: I agree, you might also want to ring the bell on the ubuntuforums about the Ti Cardreader
[10:47] <LeaChim> has anyone got a guide for running ubuntu on a 133MHz laptop with 64mb ram? :
[10:47] <znh> LeaChim: I can advice you
[10:47] <Amaranth> LeaChim: Don't? :)
[10:47] <znh> Amaranth: why not :-P
[10:47] <wajokki> hi everyone how i can chance Port Gnome bittorrent client i using ubuntu :)
[10:47] <Amaranth> well, you won't be running GNOME
[10:47] <LeaChim> Amaranth, i guessed
[10:48] <mebaran151> os it is only a temporary death for a whle
[10:48] <LeaChim> i was thinking fluxbox
[10:48] <Amaranth> wajokki: what? we have gnome-btdownload already
[10:48] <znh> Amaranth: ofcourse not, even not with a p3
[10:48] <Amaranth> znh: GNOME is not that heavy
[10:48] <leroj> znh, are you talking bikes?
[10:48] <Burgundavia> znh, a 400mhz can run fine
[10:48] <wajokki> yes me too
[10:48] <LeaChim> znh, got a guide on optimizing ubuntu then?
[10:48] <znh> LeaChim: not on the internet, but it's inside my head
[10:48] <Burgundavia> LeaChim, ubuntu-lite.org
[10:49] <LeaChim> thanks
[10:49] <wajokki> but i try downloand existi.net torrent`s and allways port .... is blacklisted by tracker
[10:49] <znh> Gnome is kinda heavy.. it's so slow on my amd1400mhz/786 mbram
[10:49] <nelsongs> znh:  yeah, i will
[10:49] <Amaranth> With X-Chat, Firefox, gaim, muine, blame, and gnome-terminal running.
[10:49] <nelsongs> znh:  i'll try to document the stuffs i did to my notebook, especially the video
[10:49] <LeaChim> Burgundavia, erm. the dns isn't resolving
[10:49] <Amaranth> err, blam
[10:49] <znh> nelsongs: yes that would be nice
[10:49] <Burgundavia> LeaChim, http://www.ubuntulite.org/
[10:50] <nelsongs> znh:  and i'll let you know, i'll just post it in my site tomorrow
[10:50] <LeaChim> ahuman, thanks Burgundavia
[10:50] <znh> LeaChim: What kind of installation have you done? the server installation?
[10:50] <nelsongs> znh: got to go now, thanks!  see ya all later!
[10:50] <znh> nelsongs: goodbye :-)
[10:51] <LeaChim> znh, haven't done any yet. i'm planning to
[10:51] <znh> LeaChim: I would advice you to do the base installation, and then install the xserver-xorg package, and as window manager qvwm or wmaker
[10:52] <LeaChim> k
[10:52] <znh> works perfect for my 120mhz/48 MBram
[10:52] <Amaranth> wow
[10:52] <LeaChim> ok
[10:52] <Amaranth> znh: You can run a gecko based browser on that?
[10:53] <elwood> hi all
[10:53] <znh> Amaranth: you mean like firefox/mozilla? well it does run :-P
[10:53] <elwood> i am wondering if there is a snapshot of the hoary repository...
[10:53] <Amaranth> firefox, mozilla, epiphany, dillo, etc
[10:53] <Amaranth> elwood: iirc the DVD has all of main on it
[10:54] <znh> Amaranth: dillo is fast on that machine, firefox takes 30 minutes to startup, and 2 minutes for each page
[10:54] <Simonth> Hey. I dont understand what the differences is between Linux Debian and ubuntu - what is the differences?
[10:54] <kemik> LeaChim:  if you wanna run ubuntu, type "server" at the install prompt, and use icewm as your windowmanager
[10:54] <LeaChim> pl
[10:54] <LeaChim> * ok
[10:54] <elwood> Amaranth, i haven't a fast connection and i want to update weekly...i can donwload snapshot from here
[10:54] <LeaChim> now the *big* challenge - know any programs i can run on a router box that will let me use a serial connection to said laptop?
[10:55] <kemik> LeaChim:  http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[10:55] <LeaChim> it has no ethernet - only ports are graphics, serial and parallel
[10:55] <LeaChim> and it has no pcmia card slots :P
[10:55] <kemik> u do realize that the serialport is 9600baud ?
[10:55] <Dr_Melectaus> whats the "teh broken" website
[10:55] <LeaChim> parallel can be used instead
[10:56] <Amaranth> elwood: In hoary there is hardly ever anything to update.
[10:56] <kemik> mmh. a bit faster.. but i dont know of any programs.. Norton Commander had a link-thing.. but that's DOS :)
[10:57] <Simonth> Is the only differences the number of languague translations or?
[10:57] <Amaranth> Simonth: Ubuntu is Debian tuned for the desktop with the latest versions of things.
[10:57] <znh> To all girls in this channel: there should be more girls using linux!
[10:58] <mebaran151> Amaranth: will X be sort of fixed sometime soon
[10:58] <topyli> znh: preaching to the choir :)
[10:58] <floppyears> hi
[10:58] <Simonth> Amaranth: But I have heard that the new Linux Debian 3.1 is also good to desktop
[10:58] <mebaran151> znh: you have the wrong crowd
[10:58] <znh> xD
[10:58] <floppyears> are there any advantages of using the ubuntu kernels commpared to the kernel.org ones ?
[10:58] <znh> mebaran151: pardon me?
[10:59] <kemik> mebaran151:  at the worst it'll be good in october ;)
[10:59] <Amaranth> mebaran151: maybe
[10:59] <mebaran151> znh: I meant you shoudl direct to the women who ARENT here
[10:59] <Amaranth> Simonth: Well, 3.1 has XFree86 4.3 and GNOME 2.8. Ubuntu's latest release has Xorg 6.8 and GNOME 2.10
[10:59] <DJ_Necrogami> Boo @ Googling may become illegal in canada .. ~.~ http://www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050712.gtgoogle0712/BNStory/Technology/
[10:59] <mebaran151> Amaranth: Debain moved to Xorg
[10:59] <topyli> Simonth: it probably is, after you set it up right
[10:59] <Amaranth> mebaran151: Not in 3.1
[10:59] <mebaran151> recently
[10:59] <znh> mebaran151: I don't want to leave this chair :-P
[10:59] <mebaran151> oh I forgot
[10:59] <Amaranth> mebaran151: that's in unstable
[10:59] <mebaran151> znh: get to the roof tops
[10:59] <znh> hm
[11:00] <znh> but it's cold outside
[11:00] <Simonth> Amaranth: Is Xorg better than the normal X? - or something..?
[11:00] <mebaran151> Simonth: Xorg is just more modern
[11:00] <mebaran151> at the moment they both are decent
[11:00] <Amaranth> Simonth: Xorg is a fork of XFree86, XFree86 is dead
[11:00] <mebaran151> Xorg is just getting better
[11:00] <mebaran151> is XFree86 so dead
[11:00] <mebaran151> whatever happened to it?
[11:00] <Simonth> topyli: B
[11:00] <Amaranth> no one works on it anymore
[11:00] <znh> Amaranth: silly question maybe.. what are the differences between XFree86 and X.org
[11:00] <Simonth> ups
[11:01] <mebaran151> Amaranth: I now
[11:01] <Simonth> topyli: But how is Ubuntu more desktop?..
[11:01] <Amaranth> znh: Well, XFree86 was this restritive environment where fun X things didn't get to be hacked on much that kicked out some key developers so they forked and created Xorg and now all kinds of super fun X related things get worked on like RENDER, Composite, etc.
[11:02] <Simonth> Amaranth & mebaran151: Okay..
[11:02] <znh> Amaranth: aha, I seen it also on gentoo
[11:02] <Echelon-H> anyone here using xfce?
[11:02] <mebaran151> Echelon-H: I do
[11:02] <mebaran151> it is a good system
[11:02] <znh> Echelon-H: currently not, but I did :-)
[11:02] <mebaran151> ... when X works
[11:02] <mebaran151> ARGHHHH
[11:02] <Amaranth> znh: If there hadn't have been a fork we wouldn't have RENDER, Composite, Cairo, etc.
[11:02] <Echelon-H> anyone of you guys knows hwo can I show my IP (if possible) on the panel?
[11:03] <znh> Amaranth: aha nice, i'm off now for a game ET
[11:03] <Echelon-H> oh, and how can i check my ip in the terminal?
[11:03] <mebaran151> Echelon-H: in terminal
[11:03] <topyli> Simonth: ubuntu has desktop oriented default set of packages and settings, debian has practically no defaults
[11:03] <mebaran151> ifconfig tells you everything you need to know
[11:03] <kemik> Echelon-H:  ifconfig
[11:03] <Echelon-H> okay thanks
[11:03] <Amaranth> But anyway, that's just a small example of Ubuntu being tuned for a desktop.
[11:04] <Amaranth> Simonth: You put in a CD, choose a couple of simple language and partition choices, wait 20 minutes, and you have a gdm login screen that takes you to a full GNOME desktop that Just Works (most of the time).
[11:05] <Simonth> topyli: Hmm okay..But I have seen there is about the same packages (and more packages) in Debian 3.1 as there are in ubuntu?
[11:06] <Simonth> Amaranth: But that is the same thing you do with Linux Debian 3.1?..
[11:06] <topyli> Simonth: pretty much the same. ubuntu also has some stuff debian doesn't
[11:06] <mebaran151> even gentoo can say that
[11:06] <Amaranth> ubotu: dstats
[11:06] <mebaran151> wait no it cant
[11:06] <ubotu> Ubuntu Distro Stats on hoary... 16270 packages, 1437 maintainers, 31005 MB installed size, 9820 MB compressed size.
[11:06] <Amaranth> Simonth: ^
[11:07] <mebaran151> could Ubuntu rehomegnize the pkgs
[11:07] <mebaran151> for ruby
[11:07] <mebaran151> Debian over split up the std lib
[11:07] <mebaran151> it should be put back together
[11:08] <Dr_Melectaus> can anyone tell me if ubuntu hoary hedgehog comes with DIVX
[11:08] <Simonth> Hmm..yeah.. but do ubuntu have for example all the games that Debian 3.1 has?
[11:08] <Amaranth> Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1468 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size.
[11:08] <mebaran151> Simonth: Ubuntu updates its universe with Debian imports all the time
[11:08] <Amaranth> Simonth: Appearently hoary pretty much has every package sarge has plus more.
[11:09] <mebaran151> Amaranth: what is installed size
[11:09] <piksi> hello, i have a problem with my amilo pro 8010 laptop and ubuntu install, it cannot find the cd drive but finds some strange linux floppy instead(?)
[11:09] <desrt> mebaran151; how much space it uses on your system after it's installed
[11:09] <mebaran151> my install doesnt take nearly that much
[11:09] <Amaranth> mebaran151: how much room it would take to sudo apt-get install * :)
[11:09] <piksi> if anyone could help with laptop drives it would be very much appreciated :-)
[11:09] <mebaran151> Amaranth: ah I see
[11:09] <topyli> Dr_Melectaus: not by default, you'll have to get the codec afterwards
[11:09] <Amaranth> ubotu: dstats breezy
[11:09] <ubotu> Ubuntu Distro Stats on breezy... 17023 packages, 1577 maintainers, 32475 MB installed size, 10220 MB compressed size.
[11:09] <desrt> crikey
[11:09] <Amaranth> Debian Distro Stats on sid... 17080 packages, 1561 maintainers, 34392 MB installed size, 11035 MB compressed size.
[11:09] <mebaran151> so actually all of Linux can be contained in under 40 gigs
[11:09] <Amaranth> hrm
[11:10] <Dr_Melectaus> topli, can i apt-get the codecs? if so whats the propper name if you know of it?
[11:10] <Amaranth> mebaran151: more or less
[11:10] <slowbro> hey guys! guess what os im using now! :D
[11:10] <elwood> ok
[11:10] <mebaran151> which can barely containe most of Windows
[11:10] <desrt> is it actually possible to install all of those packages?
[11:10] <mebaran151> that is impressive
[11:10] <mebaran151> desrt: in theory yes
[11:10] <Amaranth> desrt: nope, some Replace each other
[11:10] <Amaranth> desrt: others Conflict with each other
[11:10] <desrt> since, imaginably some of them are anti-requisites
[11:10] <Amaranth> etc
[11:10] <desrt> ya
[11:10] <mebaran151> desrt: oh yeah
[11:10] <desrt> like totem-xine and totem-gstreamer for example
[11:10] <mebaran151> I thought that took it into account
[11:11] <piksi> are here any other users running ubuntu on laptops with dvd-r/cd/special drives?
[11:11] <topyli> Dr_Melectaus: w32codecs. it's not in the ubuntu repositories but there are other places where you can apt-get it
[11:11] <mebaran151> so really 25 gigs is PLENTY for a root partition
[11:11] <desrt> mebaran151; unlikely
[11:11] <desrt> mebaran151; unless you plan on installing other stuff
[11:11] <desrt> mebaran151; like lots of big games in /opt
[11:11] <mebaran151> oh yeah I forgot about that
[11:11] <Dr_Melectaus> oh ok topyli i have w32codecs anyway :)
[11:11] <mebaran151> but I mount opt separately
[11:11] <mebaran151> so I can trash my root as much as I like
[11:11] <desrt> mebaran151; then 25 is too much
[11:11] <mebaran151> oh
[11:11] <mebaran151> how much
[11:11] <desrt> 15 is tonnes
[11:11] <mebaran151> I am running a media server off this thing
[11:12] <topyli> Dr_Melectaus: with them, totem-xine plays pretty much anything
[11:12] <desrt> 10 is even a lot
[11:12] <mebaran151> so the smaller my root
[11:12] <littleworm> how van i change the gnome splash screen?
[11:12] <mebaran151> the more space I have to Tivo
[11:12] <mebaran151> .me likes MythTv
[11:12] <mebaran151> topyli: so does gstreamer
[11:12] <desrt> mebaran151; i have a fairly complete breezy install taking up about 6 gigs right now
[11:12] <Simonth> mebaran151 & Amaranth: Okay, I will try ubuntu then.. Will all packages there comes with sarge works with ubuntu? For example the C/C++ libraries..
[11:12] <mebaran151> actually more than xine
[11:12] <mebaran151> if you add ffmpeg
[11:12] <desrt> mebaran151; if /opt is separate, 10 is probably enough
[11:12] <topyli> mebaran151: gstreamer makes use of the codecs now?
[11:13] <Amaranth> Simonth: Do not mix Debian and Ubuntu repositories.
[11:13] <mebaran151> topyli: it can use the ffmpeg coder
[11:13] <littleworm> how can i change the gnome splash screen?
[11:13] <batma8> when installing xp on a ubuntu system, do you install linux or windows first?
[11:13] <mebaran151> codec
[11:13] <mebaran151> and that codec is decent
[11:13] <mebaran151> more than decent, probalby one of the better ones
[11:13] <NicP> batma8, windows
[11:13] <mebaran151> now if only they will add the encoder too
[11:13] <batma8> ok..windows first
[11:13] <batma8> got it
[11:13] <Simonth> Amaranth: Iam not the best to english...What does "repositories" means?
[11:13] <topyli> mebaran151: in hoary already? i seem to be a bit behind the times
[11:13] <mebaran151> topyli: multiverse
[11:14] <topyli> ah
[11:14] <Amaranth> Simonth: places to get packages
[11:14] <mebaran151> ffmpeg can do illegal things like let you watch DVD's
[11:14] <thespiritoftal> how can i change the year from the terminal?
[11:14] <NicP> batma8, you can do it the other way, but its easier to install windows first because ubuntu will create an entry for ubuntu and windowsxp in a menu at boot
[11:14] <mebaran151> and play drm without breaking it I think, though I can't test that one
[11:14] <batma8> that is what i thought
[11:15] <littleworm> how can i change the gnome splash screen?
[11:15] <mebaran151> I wonder if I can pull a hacker tool against DRM for a friend whose music is locked by DRM
[11:15] <batma8> plus i have a laptop with a damn ghost install ..so it isnt easy to manipulate
[11:15] <mebaran151> it should work like libdvdcss reight?
[11:15] <Amaranth> littleworm: art.gnome.org has a tutorial
[11:15] <littleworm> thanks
[11:15] <Amaranth> thespiritoftal: man date
[11:15] <Amaranth> mebaran151: libdvdcss2 is needed to watch a DVD
[11:15] <topyli> littleworm: with the gconf-editor
[11:15] <mebaran151> Amaranth: yeah
[11:16] <mebaran151> I was wondering if there are any linux tools to brute kill DRM
[11:16] <mebaran151> with the new EF platform from intel
[11:16] <mebaran151> it might actually become necessary
[11:16] <Simonth> Amaranth: Oh, okay.. But for example the IRC server "asuka" and IRC bouncer "psybnc" I need to compile - are there the correct libraries and compilers in Ubuntu?
[11:16] <mebaran151> Simonth: yes
[11:16] <Amaranth> Simonth: If they're in Debian they're in Ubuntu.
[11:16] <mebaran151> you have all the standard C libs
[11:17] <mebaran151> and C++ libs and gcc and g++
[11:17] <vigilian> quelqu'un sait la commande pour lancer realplayer?
[11:17] <mebaran151> vigilan: Helix player
[11:17] <vigilian> sorru
[11:17] <keikoz> realplay
[11:17] <mebaran151> je ne pense pas que cela est dans les repos maintenant
[11:17] <nightswim> proost
[11:17] <vigilian> no it doesn't work
[11:17] <elwood> really strange day
[11:18] <Simonth> Okay, good.. the only difference between kubuntu and Ubuntu is the display manager, right? No changes in packages or something?
[11:18] <mebaran151> je pourrais etre sans raison
[11:18] <elwood> cedega is free?
[11:18] <topyli> no
[11:18] <mebaran151> Simonth: you can change Ubuntu to Kubuntu and vice versa
[11:18] <mebaran151> by isntalling a metapkg
[11:18] <jesper> Simonth: kubuntu comes with KDE (kubuntu-desktop -meta-package)
[11:18] <Simonth> Okay, because I have downloaded kubuntu cd..
[11:18] <mebaran151> simonth
[11:19] <thespiritoftal> which is better kubuntu or ubuntu?
[11:19] <mebaran151> gnom is more usable but kde has more features
[11:20] <Simonth> Okay.. I dont like Gnome's design(or what it calls in english)..better like KDE, it is more modern, cool and has more graphics..
[11:20] <mebaran151> I prefer the GTK2 toolkit to the Qt alternative
[11:20] <NicP> kbuntu seams to have more bugs than ubuntu to
[11:20] <Dr_Melectaus> could someone tell me, if i do killall esd, how do i restart it. do i have to log out?
[11:20] <mebaran151> though QT has improved since its days at 3.1
[11:20] <mebaran151> Dr_Melectaus: just run esd
[11:20] <elwood> kde or gnome are just the exteriority....hte important is that inside is linux :)
[11:20] <keikoz> that's normal ubuntu is primarely intented to work with gnome
[11:20] <mebaran151> it iwll work hopefully
[11:21] <Amaranth> Simonth: You want Kubuntu then.
[11:21] <Simonth> Amaranth: Yes.. ;)
[11:21] <Amaranth> Simonth: Oh, you already know that. :P
[11:21] <Simonth> :P
[11:22] <sexcopter8000m> if you have ubuntu can you just download kde in synaptic/apt-get as if it were another package?
[11:22] <elwood> yes
[11:23] <topyli> sexcopter8000m: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:23] <mebaran151> topyli: sexcopter?
[11:24] <mebaran151> oh whoops
[11:24] <mebaran151> just struck me as an interesting sudo
[11:24] <topyli> hehhe
[11:24] <sexcopter8000m> lol
[11:26] <mebaran151> didnt see the colon
[11:26] <sexcopter8000m> so why bother with kubuntu then?
[11:26] <mebaran151> sexcopter8000m: because you love KDE
[11:26] <mebaran151> and you love QT
[11:26] <sexcopter8000m> QT? quicktime?
[11:26] <mebaran151> and you think nothing is nicer than using Konqeuror
[11:26] <leroj> bleh KDE :(
[11:26] <topyli> sexcopter8000m: perhaps you don't want gnome at all. kubuntu is supposed to have a nice kde setup by default
[11:26] <mebaran151> and you realize that Kioslaves are much better than Gnome-VFS
[11:26] <sexcopter8000m> ok, but don't people say kubuntu has bug issues or sommat?
[11:26] <mebaran151> and you love the letter K
[11:26] <sexcopter8000m> how does that figure?
[11:26] <mebaran151> then you will use Kubuntu
[11:26] <mebaran151> sexcopter8000m: not BIG issues
[11:26] <mebaran151> like minor issues
[11:26] <mebaran151> I used it
[11:26] <mebaran151> it isnt quite as polished
[11:26] <leroj> you will get a mix of GNOME and KDE apps in the menus though
[11:26] <mebaran151> Mandrake makes a better KDE centric desktop
[11:26] <mebaran151> too bad nobody makes a desktop on E17
[11:26] <topyli> sure
[11:26] <sexcopter8000m> what does the live cd use?
[11:26] <mebaran151> I tried theh Live CD and it was awesome
[11:27] <mebaran151> sexcopter8000m: both have livecd's
[11:27] <mebaran151> I wish someone would package E17
[11:27] <sexcopter8000m> ok, then i might try the kde live cd on my new lappa when it arrives to see what it's like
[11:27] <topyli> mandrake does have a nice gnome too. i've used it in the past, always gnome
[11:27] <sexcopter8000m> (i've never used/seen kde)
[11:28] <Dr_Melectaus> dammit
[11:28] <Dr_Melectaus> i cant get the sound to work for a .avi in any of my media players
[11:28] <Dr_Melectaus> i can get all my music files to run
[11:28] <mebaran151> xfce and e17 are nice
[11:28] <Echelon-H> when will ubuntu support xfce 4.2.2?
[11:28] <mebaran151> Dr_Melectaus: do you have mp3 support installed
[11:29] <mebaran151> Echelon-H: doesnt it already
[11:29] <Dr_Melectaus> yes mebaran151
[11:29] <mebaran151> I saw 4.2 in the repos
[11:29] <Echelon-H> mebaran151, dont think so
[11:29] <mebaran151> do you have ogg support or mp2 support
[11:29] <Echelon-H> I talk about 4.2.2, not 4.2.1
[11:29] <Dr_Melectaus> its a .avi, it requires the divx codecs, i have w32codecs installed
[11:29] <mebaran151> Echelon-H: what got changed
[11:29] <mebaran151> Dr_Melectaus: get mplayer
[11:29] <mebaran151> it is king
[11:29] <Echelon-H> I dont really know but I can't use the "windows" button to open the menu on xfce.
[11:29] <Dr_Melectaus> mebaran151, i aussume so. the mp3 codecs would support all prior Mp formars wouldntthey?
[11:30] <Echelon-H> and it is said to be fixed in 4.2.2
[11:30] <mebaran151> Dr_Melectaus: not at all
[11:30] <mebaran151> mp3 and mp2 are very different standards
[11:30] <mebaran151> you can get support for mpeg2 more easily than mpeg3
[11:30] <mebaran151> but I got to turn in
[11:30] <mebaran151> night all
[11:31] <Dr_Melectaus> ok mebaran151
[11:31] <PurpleMotion> planeshift is downright broken
[11:31] <Dr_Melectaus> nn mebaran151
[11:32] <Amaranth> good night all
[11:33] <PurpleMotion> im updating it, hopefully that will make it work
[11:33] <PurpleMotion> cause out of the box, it's very broken
[11:33] <ma3x> what is the device for usb? under debian is /dev/sda1
[11:34] <Nermal> dmesg
[11:34] <ma3x> it doesn't display
[11:35] <ma3x> and what the hell is this serial8250: too much work for irq10
[11:35] <ma3x> i get 1000 lines like that
[11:35] <keikoz> some strange device on your serial port maybee ?
[11:36] <ma3x> no, i have nothing attached to the serial port
[11:36] <Dr_Melectaus> where are the font files stored ?
[11:37] <keikoz> somewhere in /usr/share i guess
[11:37] <batma8> ok..so i used my restore discs and have windows back up
[11:37] <batma8> do i just run the ubuntu setup from cd
[11:37] <batma8> and it will make a dual boot?
[11:37] <ma3x> this is crazy
[11:37] <ma3x> what is the USB device under ubuntu?
[11:37] <ma3x> in debian it's /dev/sda1
[11:37] <topyli> batma8: right
[11:37] <ma3x> but in ubuntu /dev/sda exist not!
[11:38] <liable> would think /etc
[11:38] <liable> oops
[11:38] <topyli> ma3x: could be in /media
[11:38] <batma8> hmm..it seems it wants to overright my windows
[11:39] <ma3x> yeah right
[11:39] <topyli> batma8: make sure you don't format your windows partition. i think by default it takes over the whole disk
[11:39] <batma8> ive done this once before
[11:40] <batma8> but i think i put windows on second
[11:40] <jono> hi all
[11:40] <jono> is X fixed in Breezy?
[11:40] <batma8> manually edit partition table..right?
[11:41] <salil> can anyone tell me how i can change the key settings to cycle thru the desktop
[11:42] <rickity> alt tab
[11:42] <sexcopter8000m> batma8, if you have windows installed, and just want to install ubuntu, i'd create some unallocated space using windows and then tell ubuntu to partition free space automatically
[11:42] <salil> no.. not through the Windows... through the "Desktops"
[11:43] <salil> and.. i want to change the keys..
[11:43] <batma8> good plan
[11:43] <batma8> ill try that
[11:43] <sexcopter8000m> salil, system, prefs, keyboard shortcuts?
[11:43] <salil> sexcopter8000m: i'm using kubuntu.. :-|
[11:43] <sexcopter8000m> oh
[11:44] <sexcopter8000m> heh, no idea then
[11:44] <keikoz> salil you mean the terminals ?
[11:44] <topyli> i guess in kde it's configurable too. everything is, it's just a bit messy
[11:44] <salil> keikoz: no .. not the terminals.. the keys that are used to cycle thru desktops..
[11:44] <keikoz> ah
[11:44] <salil> topyli: yea..
[11:45] <sexcopter8000m> well in ubuntu it's shift + control + alt + left/right arrow
[11:46] <topyli> how well does thunderbird handle very large mailboxes?
[11:46] <rowanjl> I'm trying to use Synaptic to install gftp, but I keep getting this error: Depends: gftp-gtk but 2.0.17-6ubuntu0.2 is to be installed / Depends: gftp-text but it is not going to be installed. The thing is, both of them are already installed...
[11:46] <salil> sexcopter8000m: yes.. and in kubuntu its.. Ctrl+Tab.. you see.. so.. i'm having problems cycling through tabs
[11:46] <Dr_Melectaus> I cant get the audio to work for playing a .AVI, can some one please help me out?
[11:47] <keikoz> Dr_Melectaus which application are you trying to run ?
[11:47] <sexcopter8000m> hmmm, can't help ya salil, sorry
[11:47] <lesshaste>  hi.. very simple question but is there an app that will let me browse jpegs and also print ones that I want to?
[11:48] <salil> sexcopter8000m: its.. okay.. thanks anyway
[11:48] <sexcopter8000m> rowanjl, maybe if you remove those packages and try afresh, just choose gftp and it should sort out dependencies
[11:48] <Echelon-H> can cedega work under ubuntu?
[11:48] <rickity> Alt ctrl left arrow
[11:48] <keikoz> lesshaste gimp ?
[11:48] <rowanjl> sexcopter8000m, hope so
[11:48] <Dr_Melectaus> keikoz, it is happening in all of them
[11:48] <rickity> salil,  alt ctrl left arrow
[11:48] <Dr_Melectaus> keikoz, i tried killall esd then tried running esd again
[11:48] <Dr_Melectaus> but still the same problom
[11:49] <salil> rickity: that's in "ubuntu" .. but i'm using "kubuntu" and i need to change those keys.. not use them.. :P
[11:49] <keikoz> when you test the output, in the media selecter, what happens ?
[11:49] <rickity> salil doh
[11:49] <Dr_Melectaus> keikoz, ive tried running it in mplayer (but dont know what codecs to choose for it to make it run), totem, and VLC
[11:49] <rowanjl> sexcopter8000m, nope, same error
[11:50] <keikoz> kill esd, put the media on alsa on the multimedia selecter, and try running vlc
[11:50] <lesshaste> keikoz, how do you browse in gimp?
[11:51] <topyli> Dr_Melectaus: try without esd
[11:51] <keikoz> lesshaste no idea
[11:51] <lesshaste> right
[11:51] <Nermal> lesshaste, browse ?
[11:51] <lesshaste> Nermal, see thumbnails
[11:51] <Nermal> lesshaste, you don't.. nautilus has thumbnails
[11:51] <Nermal> or use gthumb or f-spot
[11:51] <lesshaste> Nermal, trying nautilus now...
[11:52] <Nermal> f-spot is good for photos
[11:52] <topyli> lesshaste: gThumb browses and prints
[11:52] <sexcopter8000m> rowanjl, no idea then, sorry
[11:52] <rowanjl> sexcopter8000m, darn, know of any other gui ftp clients?
[11:52] <sexcopter8000m> you haven't like, updated the kernel or something major and not rebooted yet, have you?
[11:52] <batma8> hmm..xp wont let me make another partition on this master drive
[11:52] <sexcopter8000m> nope, i only use gftp
[11:52] <lesshaste> topyli, thx
[11:52] <batma8> should i use part majic?
[11:53] <rowanjl> sexcopter8000m, nope, this is a bland warty install
[11:53] <salil_> i got it..
[11:53] <salil_> its in the control center..
[11:53] <sexcopter8000m> then maybe you should get up to date on kernels and stuff
[11:53] <asdasd> hello every1
[11:53] <salil_> under regional & accessibility
[11:53] <sexcopter8000m> batma8, is your drive just one big partition at the moment?
[11:54] <batma8> sure is
[11:54] <batma8> im in computer managment, but most my options are greyed out
[11:54] <sexcopter8000m> ok, then you'll need something to partition it i guess. i've never had to so i don't know about that, sorry
[11:54] <batma8> its cool
[11:54] <Nermal> rowanjl, gnomeftp ?
[11:54] <batma8> thank you for your help
[11:54] <Nermal> ie: gftp ?
[11:54] <Xyc0> batma8: diskmanagr
[11:54] <rowanjl> Nermal, thats what I can't install
[11:55] <Nermal> oh..
[11:55] <Nermal> what's the error ?
[11:55] <Xyc0> batma8: start > run >diskmanagr
[11:55] <rowanjl> Depends: gftp-gtk but 2.0.17-6ubuntu0.2 is to be installed / Depends: gftp-text but it is not going to be installed. The thing is, both of them are already installed...
[11:55] <Dr_Melectaus> keikoz, didnt work
[11:55] <Nermal> rowanjl, tried doing apt-get -f install
[11:55] <Nermal> sudo obviously
[11:56] <batma8> Xyc0: windows cannot find 'diskmanagr'
[11:56] <Xyc0> batma8: diskmangr ?
[11:56] <Xyc0> batma8: i might have misspelled it
[11:56] <rowanjl> Nermal, exactly the same error
[11:57] <keikoz> Dr_Melectaus , when you start ubuntu, do you hear the basic sounds of the desktop ?
[11:57] <Nermal> rowanjl, tried sudo dpkg --configure -a ?
[11:57] <Dr_Melectaus> keikoz, i tried what you suggested and it never worked
[11:57] <Dr_Melectaus> yea keikoz
[11:57] <rowanjl> Nermal, what does that do?
[11:57] <batma8> Xyc0: im a horrible speller, but ya, in computer managment i goto my disk managment options and it wont let me partion my active primary drive
[11:57] <Dr_Melectaus> i can play music files, such as mp3, ogg
[11:57] <keikoz> that mean your sound device is supported
[11:57] <Nermal> configures any unconfigured packages
[11:57] <Nermal> if that fails try sudo apt-get install gftp-text and see what that gives
[11:57] <keikoz> ah, you just have pbls with avi
[11:57] <Dr_Melectaus> its just video files and dvd's im haveing trouble with
[11:58] <keikoz> Dr_Melectaus try using vlc, but put the media selecter on oss
[11:58] <Xyc0> batma8: oh, then youll need to use a third party partitioner, partition magic is decent
[11:58] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[11:58] <keikoz> vlc is using oss i guess
[11:58] <batma8> alright
[11:58] <batma8> im on it
[11:58] <batma8> ehhe
[11:58] <ondrej> Hi all, I am going to participate in l10n for czech language, and I would like to know how are new translations handled back to Debian...  I would like not to do double work.
[11:58] <keikoz> still killing esd
[11:58] <ondrej> BTW anybody from ShipIt team here?
[11:58] <Xyc0> batma8: give ubuntu at least 10 gig tho to have plenty of room to install cool programs
[11:58] <topyli> rowanjl: gftp is a debian package and conflicts with ubuntu's gftp-gtk. you don't need gftp
[11:58] <rowanjl> Depends: gftp-common (= 2.0.17-6) but 2.0.17-6ubuntu0.2 is to be installed / E: Broken packages
[11:59] <rowanjl> topyli, what do I need then?
[11:59] <tiglionabbit> hello
[11:59] <Xyc0> hello
[11:59] <topyli> rowanjl: you already have gftp-gtk right? that's all i have and i'm fine
[12:00] <Dr_Melectaus> keikoz, nope still no sound :-\
[12:00] <tiglionabbit> Hi, I'm using a Soundblaster Live 5.1 card, but I only get sound from one speaker
[12:00] <rowanjl> topyli, thanks, I didn't feel like working around bugs all night :)
[12:00] <topyli> heh
[12:00] <aford_> hi - my mail is not working with php mail().. should I be setting something up in PHP or Apache or Ubuntu?
[12:00] <keikoz> Dr_Melectaus dont know in this case, sorry, but it is possible that there is a pbl with your file
[12:00] <keikoz> try with others avi
[12:02] <Dr_Melectaus> there is a pbl ? (whats a pbl
[12:02] <Dr_Melectaus> )**
[12:04] <Earered> Dr_Melectaus, pbl == problem (I guess)
[12:04] <keikoz> pbl = problem
[12:04] <keikoz> sorry ^^
[12:04] <Dr_Melectaus> lol cool
[12:04] <sijmen> Hello all.
[12:04] <Dr_Melectaus> ill try rebooting and see if it works
[12:05] <sijmen> Is it possible to get a list of services that get started during normal bootup? Ie, everything init starts?
[12:05] <tiglionabbit> anybody else have soundblaster live?  Why do I only hear sound through one speaker...
[12:06] <lesshaste> tiglionabbit, hmm... difficult to guess... wiring problems? What happens if you plug in headphones?
[12:06] <lesshaste> tiglionabbit, balance? have you run a mixer app?
[12:07] <Xyc0> tiglionabbit: alsamixer, playaround with the settings
[12:08] <parabolize> I just added a ps2 mouse to my laptop and added psmouse proto=bare to /etc/modules all is working but the mouse wheel. Here is the mouse section of xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/869
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> plays fine in both ears of my headphones.  I hope my speakers aren't busted
[12:10] <sijmen> Sounds a bit like so.
[12:11] <sijmen> Is the plug plugged in as it should, and are both speakers connected?
[12:11] <Bramme> i opened the gimp and all my desktop-items vanished... (gnome) i've rebooted the machine and now my desktop background is gone too
[12:11] <parabolize> the up and down bottons don't work anymore on the touchpad either.
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> oh here we go, I set totem's output to "5.1 Speaker" and now it plays in both
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> it used to be set to Stereo
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> I wonder how I set things like that in other programs
[12:13] <eliUbuntu> !fglrx
[12:13] <ubotu> it has been said that fglrx is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:13] <tiglionabbit> hm, changing things to alsa also seems to have improved it
[12:13] <SquareGuy> hey i just upgraded my doom3 install to 1.3, i never put in the cd key beacuse i never played online.  now it needs it to play single player but it will not accept the key.  i cannot put the dashes in because then there isnt enough room and i have tried both uppercase and lowercase.  any ideas on how to get this key entered or a possible workaround?
[12:15] <sijmen> How does init decide the order of started programs within the /etc/rc#.d directories?
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> oh no, Flash failed to install.  Is the one on macromedia's website safe?  What is recommended?
[12:15] <chrissturm> sijmen, with the numbers in the filename
[12:16] <sijmen> alphabetical?
[12:16] <parabolize> SquareGuy, edit ~/.doom3/base/xpkey and ~/.doom3/base/doomkey with gedit.
[12:17] <chrissturm> sijmen, just use 2 digit numbers in front of the name, its executed alphabetical, so its executed in the order of the numbers
[12:17] <SquareGuy> parabolize, thx do i put the dashes in?
[12:17] <lunitik> tiglionabbit, just go to a flash site and click the green icon showing where the flash should be
[12:17] <asad2k5> Help with setserial needed, I have an 8 port PCI card with two ports not working, the ones at port 9000 [size 32]
[12:17] <lunitik> tiglionabbit, firefox will do the rest  ;)
[12:17] <sijmen> chrissturm: Is there a specific use for the letters?
[12:17] <znh> anyways 'kubuntu' means KDE ubuntu right?
[12:17] <chrissturm> sijmen, S = start K = kill
[12:17] <sijmen> Ah, like that.
[12:17] <znh> chrissturm: so Kubuntu means kill ubuntu :-/
[12:18] <chrissturm> sijmen, one starts the process the other stops it
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> lunitik: I did that, and it "failed to install, must be installed manually"
[12:18] <parabolize> SquareGuy, no but make all uppercase
[12:18] <chrissturm> znh, hehe
[12:18] <SquareGuy> parabolize, thanks
[12:18] <lunitik> tiglionabbit, blah... sounds like thats what you did.... activate universe and install flashplayer-mozilla
[12:18] <parabolize> np
[12:19] <lunitik> tiglionabbit, no reason for it to fail though, but I'll take your word for it...
[12:19] <ma3x> how to display icon of kmail under the internet menu?
[12:19] <aford_> hi - can anyone help with getting mail sending from my webserver?  Do I have to have sendmail set up or can I point my smtp to another computer with sendmail setup
[12:19] <aford_> ?
[12:19] <Burgundavia> ma3x, you might get better help in #kubuntu
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> lunitik: it worked for me on my other install, before the firefox upgrades
[12:20] <lunitik> ma3x, GNOME 2.10 menu editing requires either a menu editing tool, or manual editing via config files
[12:20] <lunitik> tiglionabbit, fresh install, worked here yesturday...
[12:21] <chrissturm> anyone here running breezy having a working keyboard?
[12:21] <tiglionabbit> lunitik: what did you do first, install Flash, or hit the automatic upgrade button?
[12:21] <lunitik> chrissturm, don't use breezy
[12:21] <lunitik> the latter
[12:21] <lunitik> tiglionabbit, ^^
[12:21] <tiglionabbit> really.  Then what the crap is wrong
[12:22] <lunitik> tiglionabbit, no idea... just do what I told you
[12:22] <ma3x> im on kubuntu not gnome
[12:22] <lunitik> ma3x, kmenuedit
[12:22] <lunitik> ma3x, /j #kubuntu or #kde
[12:23] <lunitik> ma3x, they will be much more helpful with KDE issues... it should be in the menu's though...
[12:23] <aford_> in order to send mail should I install sendmail on my webserver or just point the php.ini sendmail_path to the ip of another webserver with it installed?
[12:24] <lunitik> ma3x, enless they decided to take all the parts of kontact out of the menu in place of the app itself
[12:24] <vegard> hey.. can anybody help me booting the ubuntu install cd on a macintosh?
[12:24] <lunitik> aford_, stupid question... but the latter
[12:24] <lunitik> vegard, you hold down ctrl+c?
[12:24] <vegard> is that it? i tried just "c"..
[12:24] <lunitik> should be
[12:25] <vegard> well, thanks. i thought it would boot even without me holding down anything.
[12:25] <tiglionabbit> lunitik: grabbed "flashplugin-nonfree" as the wiki said, worked, yay
[12:25] <remyforbes777>   /quit
[12:25] <vegard> lunitik: okay, i'll be back if there are more problems :) thanks.
[12:25] <lunitik> tiglionabbit, same thing...
[12:26] <lunitik> tiglionabbit, flashplayer-mozilla is from elsewhere, flashplayer-nonfree is the debianized package
[12:26] <aford_> lunitik, it does not seem to work
[12:26] <txcangel> to compile aMule i need something called wxWidgets, to install wxWidgets i need GTK+ and thats my problem.. i cant find GTK+ anywhere
[12:26] <lunitik> aford_, shitty... read up on it.
[12:27] <lunitik> txcangel, its already installed... you need the dev packages.... libgtk2.0-dev
[12:27] <aford_> lunitik, I am doing that right now
[12:27] <txcangel> from where?
[12:27] <tiglionabbit> lunitik: elsewhere being..?
[12:27] <DJ_Necrogami> apt-get
[12:27] <lunitik> txcangel, just type 'apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev' at a console
[12:27] <txcangel> thank you
[12:27] <DJ_Necrogami> lunitik: you beat me to it
[12:28] <lunitik> txcangel, but uhh... you realize amule is already available?
[12:28] <lunitik> txcangel, just type 'apt-get install amule' or fire up synaptic and search for it...
[12:29] <lunitik> txcangel, if you don't know enough to get the dev packages, you probably shouldn't be compiling things
[12:29] <txcangel> you might be right
[12:29] <txcangel> but i want to learn somehow
[12:29] <lunitik> txcangel, no point, enless you know how to code...
[12:30] <lunitik> you learn very little from compiling things if you don't play with build scripts...
[12:31] <vegard> lunitik: no, it was no good. i tried Ctrl-C and Cmd-C, and various other things, but nothing seemed to work.
[12:31] <txcangel> so far it seems to be working quite fine..
[12:31] <xukun> lunitik, where would I start if I want to play with scripts
[12:31] <xukun> ?
[12:31] <vegard> lunitik: i can access the CD from Mac OS, it's called "Ubuntu_PowerPC_hoary" and it contains several directories and files.
[12:31] <lunitik> vegard, eh... I don't have a mac... afaik, the apple/command key + c should do it though
[12:32] <vegard> gah :-/ right, thanks anyway.
[12:32] <aford_> my webserver is sitting behind another computer which is a mail server among other things.  how do I set my webserver up so that I can send mail from php?
[12:32] <lunitik> vegard, apple computers don't even have a ctrl key, so you should have realized I wasn't looking at a mac keyboard  ;)
[12:32] <vegard> yes, they do.
[12:32] <gilv> hi
[12:32] <gilv> why is it that gaim tries to open my mails using open office 2 ?
[12:32] <vegard> Shift, Ctrl, Alt, Cmd, Space, Cmd, Alt, Ctrl, Shift <-- bottom row layout (+ shift keys)
[12:34] <littleworm> i can't play video files, totem says i need plugins
[12:34] <Tomcat_> !restrictedformats
[12:34] <ubotu> somebody said restrictedformats was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[12:34] <Tomcat_> littleworm: Check that. :o
[12:34] <lunitik> !codecs
[12:34] <ubotu> somebody said codecs was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:35] <lunitik> hmm... ok
[12:35] <lunitik> !botsnack
[12:35] <ubotu> :)
[12:35] <lunitik> !lart me
[12:36] <lunitik> woohoo
[12:36] <littleworm> thnaks