[05:24] <len-dt> zequence, holstein idjc for internet casting... where in the menu should it end up? Right now it is in networking.
[05:28] <Lump|AFK> that can vary with the os len-dt
[05:28] <len-dt> it is a mixer more than anything with playlisting and netcasting added to it. It can do local podcast or DJing though there may be better SW for that... on the other hand it is not so picky as MIxxx about video drivers
[05:28] <Lump|AFK> look in internet on some
[05:29] <len-dt> Lump|AFK, I am just thinking about where in our menu it should be.
[05:29] <Lump|AFK> and i am hereish at best
[05:29] <Lump|AFK> well if my 2 cents is worth anything
[05:29] <Lump|AFK> audio
[05:29] <Lump|AFK> that is where i think most would look for it
[05:29] <len-dt> It is certainly an audio application
[05:29] <Lump|AFK> some builds like mint maybe multimedia
[05:30] <len-dt> We have audio production.
[05:30] <Lump|AFK> might be a good thought to add streaming to the production list
[05:30] <Lump|AFK> and list stuff for it there
[05:31] <Lump|AFK> though production certainly makes sense
[05:31] <Lump|AFK> and i am thinking on the fly while doing a few more installs on the other machine
[05:31] <len-dt> We could have a sub menu of audio production for DJing stuff in general.
[05:32] <Lump|AFK> for what it is worth, Tango puts it under Internet as well
[05:32] <Lump|AFK> that makes even more sense len
[05:32] <Lump|AFK> since it really is a blend of internet and production
[05:32] <len-dt> Anything that uses the Deb packages probably would.
[05:33]  * Lump|AFK likes deb
[05:33] <Lump|AFK> but deb don't seem to like idjc on my most recent attempt
[05:33] <Lump|AFK> but, to be fair, i didn't even try and tweak it
[05:34] <len-dt> The desktop file it came with says: Categories=GNOME;Network;
[05:34] <Lump|hereish> i dunno
[05:34] <Lump|hereish> technically correct
[05:34] <Lump|hereish> in the sense that the internet is a network
[05:35] <len-dt> Ya, but I had to go looking for it :) I expected it to be in some audio menu.
[05:35] <Lump|hereish> but most end users would likely, imho, be thinking lan or wan only
[05:35] <Lump|hereish> yeah, i agree
[05:35] <Lump|hereish> i look in audio first for it
[05:35] <Lump|hereish> then internet
[05:35] <len-dt> Network ends up in the Internet menu.
[05:36] <Lump|hereish> a "streaming" option might be the best comprimise
[05:36] <Lump|hereish> then others could add video stuff to it as well
[05:37] <Lump|hereish> but i am not sure how that menu stuff auto sets
[05:38] <Lump|hereish> i am a total noob to dev stuff
[05:38] <Lump|hereish> i just hack stuff as i need
[05:38] <len-dt> Ya, we are trying for the best compromise of stock, where people would look for it and setting the distro specific stuff a little apart.
[05:38] <Lump|hereish> and am thankful there are rooms like this
[05:39] <Lump|hereish> well that in mind, maybe we should think about adding streaming in internet and not audio
[05:39] <len-dt> Most of the menu we have now is mine and zequence work. Based on what was there when we used gnome for a desktop.
[05:39] <Lump|hereish> think about the life streamers
[05:39] <Lump|hereish> the video folks and such
[05:39] <Lump|hereish> they may more likely look in internet
[05:39] <Lump|hereish> not audio
[05:40] <Lump|hereish> oediv
[05:40] <Lump|hereish> drat
[05:40] <len-dt> I can put it in both if it really needs to be
[05:40] <Lump|hereish> i am on the fence on putting stuff in both
[05:40] <Lump|hereish> i like it
[05:40] <Lump|hereish> but i dunno how other feel about it
[05:40] <len-dt> Most of us too.
[05:41] <Lump|hereish> brb
[05:41] <Lump|hereish> i don't mind the recundancy
[05:42] <Lump|hereish> but
[05:42] <Lump|hereish> my BA is in psychology
[05:42] <Lump|hereish> and we could invite memory interference with it and make it less pleasent for the user
[05:42] <Lump|hereish> follow?
[05:43] <Lump|hereish> and i am assuming the goal would be to make it better for the end user
[05:43] <len-dt> If it is confusing where it is, then it should be moved... if it is expected where it is then it should stay... is what we try for.
[05:44] <Lump|hereish> with that in mind, i still think Internet/streaming may have some merit
[05:44] <Lump|hereish> but what you would need is user feedback on it
[05:44] <len-dt> If we were to leave the menu stock, then the multimedia menu would have so much stuff in it nothing could be found.
[05:44] <Lump|hereish> for myself that seems the most logical
[05:44] <Lump|hereish> i know, i have felt that way in past versions
[05:45] <len-dt> Anyway I won't change it tonight.
[05:45] <Lump|hereish> ntl, it is, in how the production happens
[05:45] <Lump|hereish> internet first
[05:46] <Lump|hereish> but still audio
[05:46]  * Lump|hereish hates this keyboard
[05:46] <Lump|hereish> i think it is a remnant from a 286
[05:47] <len-dt> This one is for sure, I buoght if for use with a 286 MB
[05:47] <Lump|hereish> i am installing 11.04 on the dual core atm
[05:47] <Lump|hereish> so i have no synergy
[05:48] <Lump|hereish> this keyboard is pretty close to a typewriter
[05:48] <len-dt> Not that it matters, but what do you use it for?
[05:48] <len-dt> (synergy)
[05:48] <Lump|hereish> I run the single core for irc and use synergy to have only one keyboard and trackball
[05:48] <len-dt> I know what it does, but how does that help with casting?
[05:48] <Lump|hereish> well, i don't have very new machines
[05:49] <Lump|hereish> so spreading the chat load to an older machine, and email and other such stuff helps
[05:49] <Lump|hereish> i let the older machine handle chat and less critical stuff
[05:49] <Lump|hereish> i use the newer, lol, 1999 machine handle the casting and such
[05:50] <len-dt> Mine is new then it is only 8 or 9 years old!
[05:50] <Lump|hereish> i run the lates mint xfce on the single core
[05:51] <Lump|hereish> brb
[05:52] <len-dt> I have a 98 or 99 laptop with a minimal system, but my kids want to play games with it... only 256 meg on the P366
[05:53] <len-dt> When I off load stuff like that I normally either do ssh -Y or ssh in a terminal.
[05:55] <Lump|hereish> back with synergy running
[05:56] <Lump|hereish> len, more or less, it lets me have 4 monitors with one keyboard and mouse, in my case a trackball
[05:56] <len-dt> Ah, you use the monitors connected to the four boxes.
[05:57] <Lump|hereish> no two boxes with nvidia dual heads on each
[05:57] <Lump|hereish> but the same end result
[05:57] <len-dt> OK, but the idea still makes sense that way.
[05:57] <Lump|hereish> exactly
[05:58] <len-dt> I was thinking only one monitor.
[05:58] <Lump|hereish> and synergy was one of the reasons for the upgrade
[05:58] <Lump|hereish> the new mint needs the beta
[05:58] <Lump|hereish> the 10.04 studio did not care for synergy much
[05:58] <Lump|hereish> would crash on shift alt or ctrl
[05:58] <len-dt> On your casting rig do you use voip?
[05:59] <Lump|hereish> not atm
[05:59] <Lump|hereish> i have used skype in the past but teamspeak is more better gooder since i host it on my server
[05:59] <Lump|hereish> atm i use a third PC, either my net book or my GF lappy and just patch it via my old mixer
[06:00] <Lump|hereish> which is why i would like pulse to work
[06:00] <Lump|hereish> ts default is pulse
[06:00] <len-dt> So netspeak is the only non-jack app then
[06:00] <len-dt> Pulse should work.
[06:01] <Lump|hereish> teamspeak, and i am not sure if it non-jack only
[06:01] <len-dt>  I have used it sort of the same
[06:01] <Lump|hereish> from what i read, "in theory" it should
[06:01] <len-dt> I configure the pulse-jack bridge _not_ to autoconnect
[06:01] <Lump|hereish> but, this last build is the first time i tried it in years
[06:02] <Lump|hereish> yeah, that is what i always did in the past
[06:02] <Lump|hereish> are you familar with the ultimate desktop series?
[06:02] <len-dt> Then I set up the connections manually .
[06:02] <Lump|hereish> i haven't tried that
[06:02] <len-dt> The auto connect on mine tries to connect to 10 i/os
[06:03] <Lump|hereish> lost me with 10 i/os
[06:04] <len-dt> It is a real mess.
[06:04] <Lump|hereish> but, in the past, i used to exorcise pulse on studio and tango
[06:04] <len-dt> I have a D66 which is 6 inputs /outputs, but the chip is able to have 12 in and 10 out
[06:05] <Lump|hereish> nice
[06:05] <Lump|hereish> i still use a sblive
[06:05] <Lump|hereish> but i want to get a better card, more likely, external in the future
[06:06] <len-dt> Ok, I have found I have to start jack first.
[06:07] <len-dt> If jack is started as jackd the pulse bridge doesn't start.
[06:07] <Lump|hereish> always start jack first
[06:07] <Lump|hereish> er I always....
[06:07] <Lump|hereish> and not always true
[06:07] <len-dt> my version of idjc will start jack if it is not already running.
[06:07] <Lump|hereish> my issue started when pulse started to enter into the mix
[06:08] <Lump|hereish> and i always start jack first
[06:08] <Lump|hereish> holstein's suggestion on the misc tab helped
[06:09] <Lump|hereish> but i never start idjc with out jack starting first
[06:09] <Lump|hereish> i learned, just like you, the same years ago
[06:09] <Lump|hereish> i don't think any of them will len
[06:09] <len-dt> Ya, thing is the pulse jack bridge takes a lot of CPU.
[06:10] <Lump|hereish> i don't recall any version of idjc starting jack on the user's behalf
[06:10] <len-dt> If jack is running 10% CPU, adding pulse to the mix makes it go up to 30%
[06:10] <Lump|hereish> tru dat
[06:10] <Lump|hereish> and cpu is one of my limitations
[06:11] <len-dt> CPU use varies with latency
[06:11] <Lump|hereish> that too i get
[06:12] <Lump|hereish> but one of the advantages of being stuck with hardware for years it that you know what to set where with in the limitation
[06:12] <Lump|hereish> tbh honest and fair, my desire for the bridge may likely be a pipe dream
[06:12] <Lump|hereish> but i stil want to explore it
[06:12] <len-dt> with jack/pulse and idjc running I am at about 20%
[06:13] <Lump|hereish> i wish i could say anything close to that
[06:14] <Lump|hereish> with jack, meter bridge, irc (for bot report to channel) and idjc, I do at least 60%
[06:14] <Lump|hereish> then again, i don't fret 100% so long as low latency is running
[06:14] <Lump|hereish> my browser may feeze but the stream usually just keeps going
[06:15] <Lump|hereish> never really an issue unless graphics get laggy
[06:15] <Lump|hereish> and that usually does not happen with 128 kbps mp3s
[06:15] <Lump|hereish> it can happen when i am on the mic
[06:15] <Lump|hereish> but i just improv and talk more
[06:15] <len-dt> I'm now at 30%
[06:16] <len-dt> I have audacious running and feeding the voip input to idjc
[06:17]  * Lump|hereish is envious
[06:17] <len-dt> I am probably not streaming though as I have yet to set it up.
[06:18] <Lump|hereish> i will talk to you about that aspect more shortly after christmas
[06:18] <Lump|hereish> i don't wanna mess anything my tech guy set up
[06:18] <Lump|hereish> but
[06:18] <Lump|hereish> i can set you up with a stream channel to connect to for test purposes
[06:19] <Lump|hereish> i have ten with centanova cast
[06:19] <Lump|hereish> short of your actual pc
[06:19] <len-dt> Ok, but I will set up a server here first to make sure I know what I am about :)
[06:19] <Lump|hereish> it would give you the same exact envirionment i have
[06:19] <Lump|hereish> oh sweat it not len
[06:20] <Lump|hereish> my tech guy is awesome
[06:20] <Lump|hereish> ever hear of Google+ canopy?
[06:21] <Lump|hereish> oops
[06:21] <Lump|hereish> hangout canopy would be the right term
[06:21]  * Lump|hereish don't do hangouts, his PC turns into Linda Blaire
[06:21] <len-dt> Nope.
[06:22] <Lump|hereish> well, more or less, one of his gigs is working for google
[06:22] <Lump|hereish> well enough to have interaction with the chief software engineer
[06:22] <Lump|hereish> which can be taken a number of ways
[06:23] <Lump|hereish> the same engineer actually hailed me a few times
[06:23] <Lump|hereish> which indicates that they are nothing more than really kewl folks
[06:23] <Lump|hereish> all in all, brian is awesome
[06:23] <Lump|hereish> and i can get you a stream channel
[06:24] <Lump|hereish> i just don'e wanna do it and mess up anything he already has set up
[06:24] <Lump|hereish> oh noes.. here it goes again
[06:24] <len-dt> Glad it works, I will probably by the time you are ready tried it on my server and be ready for your's
[06:24] <Lump|hereish> my dog is sleeep yelping
[06:25] <Lump|hereish> he never, never barks or growls
[06:25] <Lump|hereish> except in his sleep and howls
[06:25] <len-dt> Gotta wonder what he is dreaming about...
[06:26] <Lump|hereish> is it within the network rules here to allow one to invite you to another network and channel?
[06:26] <Lump|hereish> he was abused
[06:26] <Lump|hereish> he was a stray
[06:26] <Lump|hereish> and currently an 80 pound puppy
[06:27] <Lump|hereish> i estimate he is about 10 months old, pit/lab mix
[06:27] <Lump|hereish> i figure we found him at about 5-7 months old
[06:28] <Lump|hereish> other than him not knowing just how big he is, he is a darn good dog
[06:30] <len-dt> Hmm, I get xruns when the player switches song
[06:30] <len-dt> nothing I can hear, but Jack shows it.
[06:31] <Lump|hereish> is telling you the latency?
[06:32] <Lump|hereish> I don't get them usually but...
[06:32] <len-dt> 128 frames... about 6ms
[06:32] <Lump|hereish> I try and encode everything i stream at the same exact rates
[06:32] <Lump|hereish> and i toss them in a final music folder
[06:33] <Lump|hereish> your xruns /may/ be idjc dealing with different rates
[06:33] <len-dt> I'm pretty sure these are all 44.1k but I could be wrong as these are all a mix.
[06:33] <Lump|hereish> toss three or four in the queue that you know are exatly the same and then do three that are all diff and see
[06:33] <len-dt> It could be I am trnascoding everything to 48k or something I didn't check.
[06:35] <len-dt> It seems to be right at the end of the fadeout.
[06:35]  * Lump|hereish tries to rethink just how much 6ms is
[06:36] <Lump|hereish> yeah, the fadeout, that is something i have actually been tempted to talk to the developer about
[06:36] <Lump|hereish> that whole 5s, 10s or none crossfader more specifically
[06:37] <Lump|hereish> that would be a nice thing to change regarding idjc
[06:37] <Lump|hereish> off topic granted
[06:37] <len-dt> Even fading to no next tune.
[06:38] <Lump|hereish> hmm
[06:38] <Lump|hereish> that might actually make sense though
[06:38] <Lump|hereish> correct me if my reasoning is wrong
[06:38] <Lump|hereish> I am a PC
[06:39] <Lump|hereish> you give me a track that is encoded at YY rate
[06:39] <Lump|hereish> and the next one is encoded at XX
[06:39] <Lump|hereish> so, on the fade, do i not have two rates to process and then send at, possibly, a different raat
[06:39] <Lump|hereish> er rate
[06:40] <Lump|hereish> in that sense, even if fading to 00
[06:40] <Lump|hereish> it would still be different
[06:40] <Lump|hereish> or am i way off here
[06:41] <Lump|hereish> and i do have to sleep soon
[06:42] <len-dt> Audio rate is always locked to 44.1 k because jack is locked to my preamp which is 44.1k
[06:43] <len-dt> So the player decodes the MP3 to raw audio and then the mixed audio goes to the streamer than encodes to whatever the stream is
[06:43] <Lump|hereish> kk
[06:44] <Lump|hereish> but what happens on the fade if they are originally different rates
[06:44] <Lump|hereish> and i am talking without a player but in idjc queue
[06:45] <len-dt> The idjc que is a player. I get the xrun at change even with no fade.
[06:45] <Lump|hereish> kk
[06:45] <len-dt> I have the second player turned off now.
[06:46] <len-dt> When the other player was playing as voip there was no xrun when that changed tune.
[06:47] <len-dt> Just to bug me there was no xrun that time
[06:47] <Lump|hereish> i dunno for sure
[06:48] <Lump|hereish> too tired
[06:48] <Lump|hereish> need to sleep and i will be back tomorrow
[06:48] <len-dt> Ya hard to know. I should shut it down and try slightly higher latency
[06:48] <Lump|hereish> oh and you get my reply emai?
[06:49] <len-dt> I saw one.
[06:49] <Lump|hereish> abuse my digo
[06:49] <len-dt> Ya thats it
[06:49] <Lump|hereish> er diigo
[06:50] <len-dt> Looked at it a bit.
[06:50] <len-dt> I should go though My YF would like me to spend time there :)
[06:51] <Lump|hereish> ntl, shortly after the holiday most likely, i am pretty sure certain I can get you a stream to test with
[06:51] <len-dt> Ok, catch you whenever.
[06:51] <Lump|hereish> what is my "YF"
[06:52] <Lump|hereish> and are other chat network links allowed here
[06:53] <len-dt> Yf = wife
[06:53] <len-dt> If they make sense I guess.
[06:54] <Lump|hereish> lol
[06:54] <Lump|hereish> kk
[06:54] <Lump|hereish> talk to you again soon
[06:54] <Lump|hereish> nini
[06:54] <len-dt> Good night
[21:29] <scott-work> len-dt: sorry, i've been supa busy with family, work, kids. haven't tested out nautilus or thunar. do you still desire someone to look at it?
[21:29] <scott-work> i can tell you that i have had trouble with nautilus for at least one full cycle if not two.
[21:30] <scott-work> it would seem that i would search for something, it would not find it, i would tell it to search again, and _then_ nautilus would find it
[21:30] <scott-work> taking what you said previous about nautilus only looking in one particular directory (can't remember if it was the /home or the current directory), this makes sense in some ways
[21:31] <scott-work> i am presuming then when i tell it to search again, i was telling it to search the entire computer then
[21:52] <len-dt> scott-work, the nautilus in question is the "files" version in 13.04. It is quite different than 12.10 and 12.04.
[21:54] <scott-work> ah, okay. i have a xubuntu 13.04 and a ubuntu studio 13,04 install. do want to me check on either of those and also check catfish on xubuntu 13.04?
[21:57] <len-dt> scott-work, sure. xubuntu has thunar (well so do we) and when I tried catfish on xubuntu it has the same problem as on US. I think you have 64bit though so that would be good.
[21:58] <scott-work> yes, i have the 64 bit.
[21:58] <scott-work> is catfish using "files" as well?
[21:58] <Lump|AFK> lucky dog you
[21:58] <Lump|AFK> and heyas
[21:58]  * Lump|AFK wants a 64 bit
[21:58] <len-dt> There is already a bug report on catfish I put in.
[21:58] <len-dt> catfish is a separate program all together.
[21:59] <len-dt> it has it's own interface.
[21:59] <scott-work> okay, wasn't sure if "files" was the backend they were both using
[21:59] <Lump|AFK> isn't catfish just a gui for find and locate?
[22:00] <len-dt> scott-work, zequence  the way to have the file manager open with root permitions is to create a *.desktop file that does so. It can be made so it will work with either nautilus or thunar.
[22:01] <len-dt> Lump|AFK, yes it is, but the new nautilus seems to have lost it's search function so we are looking to replace it.
[22:01] <len-dt> We went from thunar to nautilus because thunar was less stable (seems fixed now) and nautilus had search.
[22:02]  * Lump|AFK would just open up a terminal
[22:02] <Lump|AFK> but i see where you are going
[22:02] <Lump|AFK> hey, ever think of adding easy tag to the build?
[22:02] <len-dt> nautilus now seems way dumbed down and is missing some features as well as having a new GUI to learn.
[22:04] <len-dt> In ubuntu as a whole, the focus is on user experience and so we try to have a gui for anything the "normal" user might want to do.  :)
[22:04] <Lump|AFK> I am not too familar with thunar but i like the fact that you can add commands to it
[22:04] <Lump|AFK> and open as root
[22:04] <Lump|AFK> Mint uses it
[22:04] <len-dt> I was unable to find open as root.
[22:05] <len-dt> ubuntustudio actually has thunar as well
[22:05] <Lump|AFK> i believe you need to add it or enable it
[22:05] <Lump|AFK> it is there on right click in mint
[22:05] <len-dt> I think as I said above it is just a *.desktop file needed to make it work on any file manager.
[22:05] <Lump|AFK> not sure if i added it or that is the way the mint distro came
[22:06] <Lump|AFK> bbiaf, gotta check on the bread
[22:06] <len-dt> I have seen it before, so I know it comes default in some distros. used to be in KDE (at least when I used Slackware)
[22:16]  * Lump|AFK reinstalled 10.04 studio today
[22:16] <Lump|AFK> and guess what
[22:16] <Lump|AFK> absolutely no issue hijacking the stream whatsoever
[22:17] <Lump|AFK> hmmm
[22:17] <Lump|AFK> must not be on the server end eh?
[22:17] <Lump|AFK> i will double check on a few other distros but i hooke up just fine first attempt
[22:17] <len-dt> It may be a newer version of idjc?
[22:18] <Lump|AFK> 0.8.1
[22:18] <Lump|AFK> which i think is the same as the one in the latest build
[22:18] <Lump|AFK> nvrm
[22:18] <Lump|AFK> i am wrong
[22:18] <Lump|AFK> it is much older actually
[22:19] <Lump|AFK> current build comes with 0.8.7
[22:19] <Lump|AFK> newsest idjc is 0.8.8 but i could not make it on the newest build
[22:19] <len-dt> Ya I was about to say that
[22:19] <Lump|AFK> i actually like the old interface better
[22:21] <len-dt> zequence, the way to make an open as root... is to duplicate exo-file-manager.desktop to root-fileman.desktop and change the exec line from exo-open --launch FileManager %u to gksudo "exo-open --launch FileManager %u"
[22:22]  * len-dt just did and it does work.
[22:22] <len-dt> Lump|AFK, I have never seen the old interface so I don't know.
[22:25] <Lump|AFK> it is not much different than the current except that prefrences, server and jingles are buttons and not a drop down
[22:26] <len-dt> zequence, the first time it is run it asks which application it should use... as root doesn't have this set up.
[22:26] <Lump|AFK> but i use server (now output) and preferences a lot
[22:26] <Lump|AFK> so i like buttons and not a roll down
[22:26] <len-dt> Lump|AFK, the new one (we don't have) has tabs.
[22:29] <Lump|AFK> i am going to try and install that one soon
[22:32] <Lump|AFK> going to get with my nick again... bbiaf
[23:20] <Lump|AFK> 0.8.4 connects as well in tango studio, again right out of the box, no tweaks cept settings
[23:41]  * Lump|AFK is now officially clueless
[23:41] <Lump|AFK> everything works now
[23:42] <Lump|AFK> every version, every os
[23:42] <Lump|AFK> and, technically, i didn't /fix/ anything
[23:42] <len-1304> \0/
[23:43] <Lump|AFK> well debian don't work but i never really tried to set that up fully
[23:43] <Lump|AFK> most likely missing a dependancy
[23:43] <Lump|AFK> but len, i have no clue what was /fixed/
[23:44] <len-1304> There have been updates in the last two days in 12.04
[23:44] <Lump|AFK> i didn't change a setting on the two builds i was trying to get to work on friday
[23:44] <Lump|AFK> go figure
[23:44]  * len-1304 is going to eat.
[23:44]  * Lump|AFK is going to check on bread and the fire
[23:44]  * Lump|AFK will be back later and maybe actually here then...heh


[16:40] <acids> Hello, the other day I ran an update on my Lenovo Thinkpad L560 which included a kernel update from linux-image-5.19.0-32-generic (linux-image-5.19.0-32-generic) to linux-image-5.19.0-45-generic (5.19.0-32.33~22.04.1). After this update my trackpad worked but my trackpoint did not work any longer. Upon rebooting into the kernel I was previously using, the trackpoint works perfectly again. So I am
[16:41] <acids> booting into linux-image-5.19.0-32-generic manually so everything works. However the issue is not Ubuntu specific: Fedora 37 has no issue with the trackpoint but Fedora 38 has the issue where trackpad is OK but trackpoint is not. Should this be reported to Ubuntu or elsewhere as it is a kernel issue?


[11:47] <CIA-33> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r4307 ubuntu/programming/C/programming.xml: Added Geany to list of IDEs
[12:30] <CIA-33> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r4308 ubuntu/office/C/office.xml: Improve instructions, updates for gutsy, update statuses, some extra material
[12:34] <CIA-33> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r4309 ubuntu/administrative/C/administrative.xml: Updated statuses and section IDs
[02:17] <jrib> Hi, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem has a lot of links that don't exist because they are in wiki.ubuntu.com so I'm fixing them.  But https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BackupPC looks like it belongs in the h.u.c. wiki.  Is there a document that explains what steps I need to take to move it? Or, do I need to do anything else other than: 1. duplicate the page on h.u.c. and 2. have the page on w.u.c. redirect to the new h.u.c. page?
[07:01] <LaserJock> so anybody know what the plan is regarding moving to bzr?
[09:35] <CIA-33> Ubuntu Documentation: sbalneav * r4310 edubuntu/handbook/C/server.xml: Finished splitting up the topics, added a section on nbd-swap
[11:20] <mdke_> jrib: check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryDocumentation, that should have some info, iirc
[11:37] <CIA-33> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r4311 ubuntu/browser-startpage/index-it_IT.html: new italian version - thanks to Milo Casagrande
[11:44] <jrib> mdke: thanks


[01:38]  * greg-g still keeps forgeting to set some bugs to "Triaged" after he sends them upstream.
[01:52] <greg-g> Does launchpad know if more than one LP Bug has been linked to a single upstream bug? (ie: a way to make sure there aren't duplicate bugs both pointing to the upstream bug)
[01:52]  * greg-g asks in #launchpad
[02:26] <pochu> greg-g: there's one:
[02:26] <pochu> (04:42:41 PM) pedro_: what we are going to do is : go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/gnome-bugs/#bugnumber
[02:27] <pochu> (04:42:53 PM) pedro_: and replace #bugnumber for the bug number of the upstream one
[02:27] <pochu> (change gnome-bugs to the upstream bug tracker you want)
[02:30] <greg-g> pochu: interesting, So the functionality is there to have a 'check if already linked' feature or something.  It probably wouldn't be that useful, actually, as I heard that LP warns you already if there is already a link to the remote bug.
[02:36] <greg-g> would bug 263656 be a Tomboy issue or a window manager issue?
[02:38] <charlie-tca> I'm going to suggest it is not Tomboy specific because Geany does this also
[02:39] <greg-g> charlie-tca: yeah, definitely not tomboy specific, but I'm not sure where the fix would be applied.
[02:39] <charlie-tca> I don't know, just thought it might be helpful information
[02:40] <maco> see now, they're reporting a bug opposite one i saw yesterday
[02:40] <geeter> it's not a wm issue.
[02:40] <maco> because yesterday someone filed a bug because firefox summons you to its desktop when you open a link
[02:40] <geeter> it's yet another case of "conflicting user expectations"
[02:40] <maco> that person thinks the app shouldn't take over
[02:40] <maco> this one thinks it should
[02:40] <geeter> yeah, maco and I just discussed that
[02:40] <maco> -_- crimsun why are you using an odd name?
[02:40] <greg-g> maco: that isn't it exactly
[02:41] <greg-g> more, if I click on a note that is already opened on desktop 1 and I'm on desktop 3 it should move from 1 to 3.
[02:41] <greg-g> but yeah, similar situation
[02:41] <geeter> this bug is arguing that the app should migrate a child window to the focused desktop
[02:41] <maco> should it move the note or move you?
[02:42] <greg-g> they want it to move the note
[02:42] <greg-g> not sure what "should" happen :)
[02:42] <maco> and currently it moves you?
[02:42] <geeter> it currently does neither
[02:42] <greg-g> currently it just makes it blink in the task bar
[02:42] <geeter> it updates the child windows on the "other" desktop
[02:42] <geeter> thus, it is not a wm issue but an app issue
[02:43] <greg-g> you stay on 3, it is on 1, but it is blinking in taskbar, you click on that blinky and you are taken to desktop 1
[02:43] <charlie-tca> My two cents, it becomes painful when you have the app open in two windows, and have to go look where it opened the
[02:43] <charlie-tca> nesxt item
[02:44] <greg-g> geeter: ok, so the bug is staying assigned to tomboy.  I'll forward upstream with a caveat that the "correct" behavior is up to debate
[02:44] <greg-g> thanks maco / geeter / charlie-tca for the input
[02:44] <geeter> (np)
[02:45] <charlie-tca> :)
[02:45] <greg-g> go team! ;)
[03:25] <crimsun_> it would be great if 5-A-Day were to honour additional bzr command options (e.g., --local)
[03:25] <crimsun_> `commit --local' would be dandy right about now...
[03:27] <greg-g> crimsun_: +1
[03:28] <greg-g> ok, 11 bugs and I'm done for tonight
[03:28] <greg-g> helped Tomboy out a lot, honestly due to the fact that one of the devs has been a great responder upstream
[03:29]  * wgrant got some of your bugmail.
[03:29] <greg-g> crimsun_: 110 bugs today????
[03:30] <greg-g> wgrant: sorry about that :)
[03:30] <wgrant> greg-g: Terrible.
[03:30] <maco> can someone mark bug 272540 a wishlist?
[03:31] <greg-g> maco: done
[03:31] <maco> greg-g: thanks
[03:31] <wgrant> That should probably be against update-manager.
[03:32] <greg-g> wgrant: yeah, that would be obvious time to tell the user
[03:32] <maco> greg-g: i think he did 240 yesterday...
[03:32] <wgrant> Only the dist-upgrader would need to do that, as we don't remove things post-release.
[03:32] <greg-g> wgrant: wanna comment on the bug your thoughts?
[03:32] <greg-g> I don't want to steal your words ;)
[03:33] <greg-g> maco: that is CRAZY!
[03:33] <maco> and i also have to say +1 on --local as i'm sitting right next to crimsun_ in Cosi where they don't allow anything but 80 and 443, and they do deep-packet inspection so you can't tunnel anything over them either :(
[03:33] <wgrant> greg-g: Please steal my words, I can't start Firefox right now... building this security update is making my HDD angry.
[03:33] <greg-g> wgrant: will do.
[03:33] <wgrant> maco: One can't deep-packet-inspect HTTPS.
[03:33] <maco> greg-g: i dont usually do over 80 in a day.  if i decide to stop and try to write a patch for one of the ones i see that's bitesize, i'll only do about 30
[03:34] <maco> wgrant: hrm maybe we can try that then....
[03:34]  * wgrant used to be a super-person like maco and crimsun, but then uni and security stuff took over.
[03:34] <wgrant> maco: I regularly tunnel SSH through restrictive HTTPS proxies.
[03:34] <maco> i have this awful habit of going "hmm....homework...or bugwork...bugwork."
[03:35] <wgrant> maco: Unfortunately that doesn't always make for excellent marks.
[03:35] <maco> i was supposed to be studying for midterms when i decided to work on gsynaptics and get my first patch. i was supposed to be working on finals and final projects when i spent a weekend poking at seahorse.
[03:35] <maco> yeah, that's a problem
[03:36]  * wgrant will hopefully murder gsynaptics for Jaunty.
[03:36] <greg-g> that is when I had my highest 5-a-day stats, during finals last year :)
[03:36] <maco> wgrant: why?
[03:36] <wgrant> maco: It can be replaced by gnome-mouse-properties in the default install, since we have XInput properties.
[03:36] <maco> wgrant: i have a patch in the works for it to do 2-finger-scroll (like on a mac)
[03:36] <maco> oh
[03:36] <maco> ok
[03:37] <wgrant> maco: That option can be added to the default installation with about 4 lines of code, if you want.
[03:37] <maco> er...oh wait, no...i wasnt careful checking out a "trunk" and overwrote it
[03:37] <maco> oh i wasnt the one that wanted it. one of my friends, when i mentioned having added speed/accel to it, asked for 2-finger-scroll
[03:38] <maco> i know synclient can do it
[03:38] <greg-g> well, time for a movie, later all, have a pleasent night/day
[03:38] <maco> night night
[03:38] <wgrant> synclient can hopefully go away soon, too. We can change lots of settings without needing the awfulness of SHMConfig. <3 XInput properties.
[03:38] <maco> yay!
[03:38] <maco> no more shared memory craziness?
[03:39] <maco> i was hoping there was a way to get rid of that
[03:39] <maco> hey guys, mozilla decided against the EULA thing, right?
[03:40] <wgrant> maco: Yes, sort of.
[03:40] <wgrant> My bug is now the 4th most commented on LP, so it's not surprising.
[03:40] <maco> sort of?
[03:40] <wgrant> We still have to have something, but it's not quite as bad.
[03:40] <maco> what do we have to have?
[03:40] <wgrant> Examples were attached to the bug overnight.
[03:40] <maco> bug 272647
[03:40] <wgrant> Not that one.
[03:40] <wgrant> Ah.
[03:40] <wgrant> I see.
[03:41] <maco> that's why i'm wondering
[03:41] <wgrant> Bug #269656
[03:41] <wgrant> Watch out, it's huge.
[03:41] <maco> lol @ summary
[03:43] <wgrant> I got quite some hatemail for that :(
[10:03] <mcas> hello
[10:04] <mcas> i have a problem with a bug
[10:04] <mcas> bug 272586
[10:05] <mcas> the bug is confirmed under hardy but it seems to be solved under intrepid
[10:05] <mcas> how should i handle this?
[10:05] <Hobbsee> mcas: mark it as fix released, with a comment along those lines?
[10:06] <mcas> ok that was my first idea, too
[10:14] <madsrh> Hi. Where do I file a bug about the GDM log-in?
[10:38] <umangme> Bug #272683 should be "Wishlist"
[11:17] <Arby> morning all, I got an e-mail saying my membership of bug-control has expired
[11:18] <Arby> who do I need to speak to for it to be renewed?
[11:25] <thekorn> Arby, you need to get in contact with one of the administrators
[11:26] <thekorn> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/+members
[11:26] <Arby> thekorn: thanks
[13:24] <murdok> hello! how can I debug eog?
[13:24] <murdok> I have tried with export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS but I don't have any aditional information
[13:29] <pochu> murdok: what's the problem? a crash?
[13:29] <murdok> yes
[13:30] <pochu> then install the eog-dbg package and get a backtrace with gdb
[13:30] <pochu> !backtrace
[13:30] <murdok> good idea :þ
[14:04] <murdok> Could someone please mark bug #270335 as wishlist?
[14:07] <thekorn> murdok, it has an upstream task and no one in ubuntu, so only pitti can change the importance
[14:08] <murdok> oh, okay thanks
[16:25] <lfaraone> Hey, are bugs with ACPI (in this case, fans) kernel bugs?
[16:25] <_Zeus_> umm, i guess?
[16:25] <_Zeus_> why??
[16:26] <lfaraone> _Zeus_: I'm trying to FindRightPackage for a user who is unable to use their fan (ACPI spouts an error0
[16:28] <_Zeus_> ohh
[16:28] <_Zeus_> have they tried acpitool?
[16:30] <lfaraone> _Zeus_: not afaict.
[16:30] <lfaraone> _Zeus_: bug 272537
[16:30] <_Zeus_> gotcha
[16:32] <_Zeus_> check it out
[16:32] <_Zeus_> what i said might fix it
[16:34] <pochu> hmm, nautilus is consuming 524MB here (after a week running)
[16:35] <_Zeus_> whoa
[16:36] <_Zeus_> just kill it and restart?
[16:36] <_Zeus_> it must have a memory leak
[16:36] <pochu> yeah, I'm looking at bugzilla to see if there's any reported
[16:37] <nhandler> If a bug gets fixed upstream, what should the status of the bug be set to? Fix Committed?
[16:38] <pochu> the desktop team does that, but others don't, so I guess it depends...
[16:38] <pochu> nhandler: what's the package?
[16:38] <nhandler> pochu: The bug you patched upstream in emesene
[16:38] <pochu> heh
[16:39] <_Zeus_> nhandler: if the fix isn't out yet, then yes
[16:39] <_Zeus_> if it's out, then fix released
[16:39] <pochu> well, it's an Ubuntu task
[16:39] <greg-g> pochu: yeah, which is why I was "corrected" by someone once when I set it to fix committed even though I KNEW I was following someone paid by Canonical's lead ;)
[16:39] <nhandler> _Zeus_: It is only out in the upstream SVN, not in Ubuntu
[16:39] <_Zeus_> anyone?
[16:39] <_Zeus_> not sure
[16:39] <pochu> greg-g: yeah, it's happened to me too :)
[16:40] <pochu> nhandler: either fix committed or triaged
[16:41] <nhandler> pochu: I thought triaged meant that a bug had enough information for a dev to start fixing it. Fix Committed seems more logical to me
[16:41] <_Zeus_> normal users can't set triaged, i thin
[16:41] <greg-g> pochu: do you know if there is a desire to reconcile the difference?
[16:41] <nhandler> _Zeus_: I'm Bug Control, so I can
[16:41] <_Zeus_> ahh
[16:41] <_Zeus_> so you can
[16:45] <pochu> nhandler: true that
[16:45] <pochu> nhandler: so fix committed. also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status says fix committed is appropriate
[16:46] <pochu> greg-g: I don't really know
[16:46] <pochu> hmm
[16:46] <pochu> nope, fix committed doesn't look appropriate
[16:47] <pochu> bah, just use it and be done :)
[16:47] <pochu> also I'm the maintainer, and I promise not to revert your change ;-)
[16:49] <nhandler> pochu: I changed it to Fix Committed.
[16:50] <nhandler> pochu: This is why I feel that they should add more Statuses on Launchpad. That would make things a lot clearer. maybe a Fixed Upstream status ;)
[16:51] <pochu> nhandler: they want to remove statuses, not add them, though :P
[16:51] <pochu> they want to remove 'confirmed' in favour of a 'me too!' button
[16:52] <pochu> or something like that
[16:52] <nhandler> pochu: I know. persia and I have had long discussions about this ;)
[16:53] <persia> Please *don't* set the status of bugs against Ubuntu to "Fix Committed" when they are fixed upstream.  This hides them from display, and doesn't set the Fixed Upstream flag.
[16:54] <pochu> err, fix committed bugs aren't shown by default??
[16:54] <persia> Better is to set an upstream task.  Use "Fix Committed" for the upstream task when it goes into upstream's VCS, and "Fix Released" for the upstream task when it goes into an upstream release tarball.
[16:54] <persia> pochu: Nope.
[16:54] <pochu> I thought that was just for invalid, wontfix and fix released
[16:54] <greg-g> I tohught they were
[16:54] <persia> And Fix Committed.
[16:54] <pochu> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emesene/+bugs shows one fix committed bug
[16:54] <persia> Unless something changed and I didn't notice.
[16:54] <nhandler> persia: But you can only add a bug watch if there is an upstream bug
[16:55]  * persia looks at the specific bug to try to understand
[16:55] <greg-g> it shows fix committed by default
[16:55] <greg-g> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager
[16:55] <persia> That's different (and good).
[16:55] <persia> nhandler: Which bug?
[16:56]  * nhandler goes to find it
[16:56] <nhandler> persia: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emesene/+bug/246817
[16:57] <greg-g> a bug could be marked as "Fix Released" for the upstream task and still only Triaged for the Ubuntu task, and that would be logical
[16:57] <nhandler> greg-g: But you can not create an upstream task without an upstream bug
[16:58] <persia> nhandler: How is this not an upstream bug that was fixed?
[16:58] <greg-g> aye, then make a comment with the pertinant info (revision number with the fix, changelog).  As it isn't in Ubuntu yet, it probably should be "fix committed"
[16:58] <persia> "Fixed upstream in the stable and trunk branches" is a fairly clear indicator.
[16:59] <greg-g> an upstream bug without an upstream bug report
[16:59] <persia> You can create an upstream bug without an upstream bug report.
[16:59]  * persia does so now
[16:59] <greg-g> oh righ!
[16:59] <greg-g> t
[16:59] <nhandler> persia: I forgot that you can manually change the status of an upstream bug watch if you do not specify a bug number
[17:00] <greg-g> I never do that, so I forget that you dont need a link
[17:00] <greg-g> well done persia  ;)
[17:00] <persia> It's important to have the status correct for each project.
[17:00]  * greg-g nods
[17:00] <persia> The current status shows it fixed upstream, and still needing a fix in Ubuntu.
[17:00] <persia> If we push the fix for intrepid, nifty.  If not, we'll get it for free when we pull a new upstream.
[17:01] <persia> This also puts it in the "Fixed Upstream" reports, which people look at for several different reasons, and so it's likely to keep getting triaged properly.
[17:01] <nhandler> persia: Shouldn't it be Fix Committed for upstream. It has only been fixed in the svn.
[17:02] <persia> nhandler: Indeed :)  Please fix.  That's entirely a mistake in understanding on my part.
[17:02] <persia> Might set the Importance whilst you're at it.
[17:02] <nhandler> persia: Fixed ;)
[17:02] <persia> Thank you.  Sorry to have gotten it wrong.
[17:03] <nhandler> I can't set the importance for the upstream bug. I think pochu might be able to though
[17:03] <nhandler> Bug Control can only change the importance for bugs in Ubuntu packages
[17:03] <persia> pochu: Is it worth applying the debdiff for intrepid, and dropping when jaunty opens?
[17:03] <nhandler> persia: My debdiff won't work (as stated in the LP bug)
[17:04] <pochu> persia: it would have to patch all the translations, then rebuild all the .mo files, so I don't think so
[17:04] <persia> pochu: Makes sense.
[17:04] <nhandler> pochu: Can you change the importance for the upstream bug watch?
[17:04] <pochu> already done :)
[17:04] <persia> nhandler: True, but if pochu had said "Sounds like a good idea: please proceed" then you could prepare a new debdiff.
[17:05] <greg-g> now that bug looks better
[17:05] <nhandler> persia: I know. I just wanted to make sure you were aware (so you didn't go and upload it as-is).
[17:05] <persia> Yep.  We just have to let it age for two or three months, and it should be ready to close :)
[17:06] <persia> nhandler: It's too late here for me to be sponsoring, and I don't typically do that based on traffic in this channel anyway.  I was more seeking information towards progressing the bug :)
[17:06] <nhandler> persia: That is good to hear. But, like the saying goes, "Better safe than sorry".
[17:07] <nhandler> Alright, now that we have this triaging task figured out, I am going to go and get some work done.
[17:07] <persia> Anyway, for those lurking: it's only good practice to create an untracked upstream bug (as we've just done) when it's already known fixed upstream, but not filed.  This helps Ubuntu tracking, and doesn't tend to annoy upstream too much (as opposed to opening bugs already fixed upstream just for tracking purposes).
[17:08] <persia> Yep.  Always good to be safe :)
[17:08] <pochu> I wonder why you can create upstream tasks without bug watches if the upstream project is configured not to use launchpad bug tracker
[17:08] <persia> pochu: For just the case I outlined in the previous overview statement.
[17:08] <pochu> It sounds like a bug/bad design in Launchpad
[17:09] <persia> You think it'd be better to force upstream to track the issue in their bug tracker directly?
[17:09] <pochu> oh
[17:09] <pochu> nope
[17:09] <pochu> I think it would be better to have a good status which showed what's happening
[17:09] <persia> If the dream of having all bugtrackers everywhere interface and feed bugs to each other ever happens, it would make sense to not support this, but as long as this hasn't happened, it helps this use case.
[17:10] <pochu> but if I set the upstream project not to use malone, it shouldn't use it
[17:10] <persia> Yeah, well, status is hard.  Status is *especially* hard when trying to use the same bugtracker for both distros and projects.
[17:10] <pochu> so why is there a check box to use malone or not if it doesn't really disable it?
[17:11] <pochu> persia: ack, but it sounds like bad design. I disabled malone, yet people can report bugs...
[17:11] <persia> pochu: That's just useless UI, as far as I can tell.
[17:12] <persia> Mind you, it might provide a useful hint to users, that filing bugs in Malone against that project won't necessarily get upstream attention.
[17:12] <persia> Personally, I'd rather drop the UI than enforce it, as otherwise we can't accurately represent the state of bugs like this one.
[17:13] <persia> We could add extra status values like "Committed Upstream" and "Fixed Upstream", but those are only meaningful for distros, and there's only three or four distros that use LP for bug tracking (as opposed to a much larger number of projects)
[17:14] <pochu> right
[21:59] <crimsun> ugh, bug 86683 is nasty.  Tagging it for myself.
[22:00] <crimsun> note: it has been reproducible since edgy.


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[03:46] <thatsk> Hello Team
[03:46] <thatsk> i am facing one issue
[03:46] <thatsk> i am trying to upgrade from centos7 to alma8
[03:46] <thatsk> but when i am using datasource in almalinux8 its failing for datasource
[04:05] <thatsk> in older version before 18
[04:06] <thatsk> the nocloud url is http://serverip/userdata/userdata
[04:21] <thatsk> but in new cloud-init version22
[04:21] <thatsk> ```
[04:22] <thatsk> nocloud datasource not working
[04:22] <thatsk> can someone help on this
[04:22] <thatsk> or where should i raise this issues
[05:35] <lolbananas> OSSEC HIDS Notification.
[05:35] <lolbananas> 2023 Mar 08 00:19:24
[05:35] <lolbananas> Received From: phalanx->/var/log/auth.log
[05:35] <lolbananas> Rule: 5403 fired (level 4) -> "First time user executed sudo."
[05:35] <lolbananas> User: www-data
[05:35] <lolbananas> Portion of the log(s):
[05:35] <lolbananas> Mar  8 00:19:22 phalanx sudo: www-data : TTY=unknown ; PWD=/var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/local/bin/pihole restartdns reload-lists
[05:35] <lolbananas>  --END OF NOTIFICATION
[05:35] <lolbananas> this seems a little shady, www-data using sudo through pihole
[05:36] <lolbananas> www-data not part of sudo group
[05:40] <waldi> you have reached cloud-init. what does pihole have to do with cloud-init?
[05:41] <lolbananas> sorry wrong channel
[11:05] <waleedm> hi guys, I'm trying to sign the Canonical contributor license agreement, I filled all the fields here https://ubuntu.com/legal/contributors/agreement but the "I agree" button still disabled! any advice on how to sign it?
[12:36] <ananke> waleedm: seems only two fields need to be checked for 'i agree' to appear: agreement type, and 'I'm not a robot'
[12:36] <ananke> actually, it's just the latter one: i'm not a robot


[01:01] <kamusin> hi there.. I tried to load indicator-appmenu following instructions from Wiki but I won't see nothing :( ,  exists in somewere steps for debugging or getting more information to solved this kind of issues?
[01:02] <ShroudedCloud> kamusin, PM me and I'll try to help?
[01:02] <kamusin> super :)
[14:25] <fuzzybunny69y> hey everyone is there anyway to have it so that you don't have to use GTK_MENUPROXY="libappmenu.so" to activate the indicator application menu?
[16:15] <aquarius> I've just tried installing the ApplicationMenu, and I can't get it to work at all. GTK_MENUPROXY="libappmenu.so" gnome-terminal doesn't show any menu in the panel; GTK_MENUPROXY="libappmenu.so" gedit causes the indicator-appmenu applet to crash. What should I do to help debug?


[03:43] <pvl1> does anyone know what brand of printers is easy to set up on ubuntu
[03:50] <jthan> I've never had a problem with any of them
[03:55] <pvl1> which brand of printers are cheap but decent quality
[04:18] <jthan> I've had good luck with the HP Photosmart line
[04:18] <jthan> but look up what is ink efficient
[04:19] <jthan> Because that's the ongoing cost.
[05:18] <waltman> morning.
[05:19] <jthan> Err
[05:19] <jthan> night?
[10:32] <rmg51> Morning
[11:43] <waltman> still morning
[12:22] <jedijf> pvl1: hp brother all good for me
[12:23] <jedijf> but then again, it's *me*
[13:21] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[13:23] <CodemonkeyAlx> teddy-dbear, Aye... 8:23 I should be working xD
[13:23] <teddy-dbear> I don't have to work
[13:24] <teddy-dbear> I just work at being cute :-D
[15:51] <pvl1> I'll go with hp
[17:00] <InHisName> Wife decided that our 10 year-old computer is time to be replaced.  Are there systems that use < 10 watts electricity  and with 2 or more cores and with motherboard support for 16 or 32Gigs ram.  I would like to change from 70 watts to <10 to help the old e-bill.
[17:02] <ChinnoDog> One desktop CPU uses more than 10 watts.
[17:04] <ChinnoDog> My laptop has a power supply rated for 190 watts or something. 10 watts is asking a lot.
[17:06] <ChinnoDog> I think you should replace the computer chair with a pedal powered generator and a battery.
[17:19] <InHisName> I thought there were several LOW power cpus being made.  Figured by now there could be a 10watt MB.  Apparently not.
[17:22] <waltman> InHisName: I suppose you could get a laptop and run it with an external monitor and keyboard.
[17:26] <pvl1> what about a tablet
[17:30] <ChinnoDog> Or a Pi
[17:43] <InHisName> Will open office run on a PI ?
[17:43] <InHisName> I found this: http://liliputing.com/2013/07/minix-mini-hd-is-a-cheap-barebones-low-power-desktop-with-an-atom-chip.html
[17:46] <jthan> InHisName: why wouldn't it?
[18:04] <jthan> ChinnoDog: weechat?
[18:04] <jthan> WEECHAT?
[18:04] <jthan> YOU A TRAITOR?
[18:05] <ChinnoDog> weechat++
[18:05] <ChinnoDog> except that my config is screwed up now for some reason
[18:05] <jthan> Why > irssi?
[18:07] <ChinnoDog> more features
[18:08] <jthan> Meh that's a longshot.
[18:08] <jthan> More features ootb maybe
[18:08] <pleia2> irssi++
[18:09] <pleia2> it's an irc client, what does it need ;)
[18:15] <JonathanD> Default irssi can't do my taxes. Majorly lacking.
[18:19]  * jthan uses mirc and xchat
[18:19] <jthan> jk though.
[18:19] <jthan> I started using irssi because kejava told me to I think :-p
[18:21] <pleia2> JonathanD: well, if you use irc to find an accountant...
[18:21] <pleia2> JonathanD: also, did my RT ticket get lost in the ether? or does it always take 2 weeks to get an ack?
[18:24] <JonathanD> uh... I'll check it out.
[18:26] <pleia2> thank you :)
[18:30] <adom> pleia2: whats RT? request tracker?
[18:33] <pleia2> yeah
[18:54] <pvl1> I use wee chat
[18:54] <pvl1> has relay feature, and an android client in development
[18:55] <pvl1> I leave it running on my box at home, and connect with a gui over ssh
[18:55] <pvl1> point is I love weechat
[19:12] <ChinnoDog> I use that client too. Has a few bugs in it but works pretty well otherwise.
[19:21] <pvl1> I decided Ima try to help the development of it
[19:21] <pvl1> bc it is buggy
[19:22] <pvl1> btw anyone near bucks county
[19:32] <InHisName> I'm not near it but IN it.
[19:44] <pvl1> I live in if
[19:44] <pvl1> it
[19:52] <waltman> So $labmate just got a new nexus 5 and came over to my desk wanting to run some benchmarks. My iPhone 5s kicked its shiny metal ... butt at speedtest.
[19:53] <ChinnoDog> html5 speedtest? Maybe $labmate should try a different browser.
[19:54] <waltman> We both were running platform's official ookla app
[19:58] <ChinnoDog> hmm
[20:24] <pvl1> maybe $labmate should root his nexus
[21:52] <jedijf> proof or didnt happen


[00:19] <solarbaby> I dont see any option to delete a transcoder for Recording Profiles
[00:23] <solarbaby> If you simply delete the profile name it still leaves an entry in there
[00:23] <solarbaby> this bites
[00:36] <solarbaby> I guess that doesn't matter or else there would be a delete option in there
[00:49] <RealNitro> A lot of changes happened since my first post here tonight
[00:49] <RealNitro> and most stuff seems to work
[00:50] <RealNitro> but the last bit, watching tv using mythtv locks up my system :/
[00:51] <RealNitro> This error appears in mythfrontend.log: "NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!"
[00:54] <solarbaby> superm1: one of the things that I noticed really sucks is that If I play a transcoded mpg file it messes up my 350 TV Out, so that I can't play anything that hasn't been transcoded, until a reboot
[00:55] <solarbaby> superm1: does the same thing with avi files
[01:03]  * RealNitro goes to sleep
[01:03] <RealNitro> thx for the help
[01:08] <Tari> if I wanted to do a net install of mythbuntu, could I?
[01:09] <Tari> the CD drive on the machine throws read errors, and I verified the disc when I burned it
[01:12] <POWERTOWER> anyone intersted in helping with display driver problems?
[01:27] <Wy|laptop> Woot, linux MMO!
[01:48] <POWERTOWER> anyone intersted in helping with display driver problems?
[01:49] <foxbuntu> POWERTOWER, what seems to be the issue?
[01:50] <POWERTOWER> unable to get the x1250 drivers working properly
[01:51] <POWERTOWER> I have folowed tuturials from AMD to install the drivers but after finishing, i run fglrxinfo and Mesa instead of ATI drivers are loaded
[01:51] <foxbuntu> did you change the xorg?
[01:52] <POWERTOWER> The xorg states its using ati drivers
[01:52] <foxbuntu> ok
[01:53] <foxbuntu> is your card supported by the drivers?
[01:53] <POWERTOWER> it was a link specificaly under the 1250 site for amd
[01:53] <POWERTOWER> I would hope so but that wou explain lots
[01:53] <foxbuntu> have you tried using the opensource drivers instead?
[01:54] <POWERTOWER> mebe, which one is that?
[01:54] <foxbuntu> fglrx
[01:54] <POWERTOWER> yeah tried that
[01:54] <foxbuntu> have you tried the restricted drivers manager?
[01:54] <POWERTOWER> I think this ati chipset juist came out a few months ago
[01:54] <foxbuntu> oh that would be an issue
[01:55] <POWERTOWER> yeah, when allowing restricted drivers, the screen boots black
[01:55] <foxbuntu> it may not support the chipset yet?
[01:55] <foxbuntu> er
[01:55] <foxbuntu> the drivers may not support the kernel yet
[01:55] <foxbuntu> let me look
[01:56] <POWERTOWER> Well I dont want to wait, could you recomend a easy to install Make and Model video card with RCA out?
[01:56] <foxbuntu> I assume you pulled the driver from the ati website?
[01:56] <POWERTOWER> yeah
[01:56] <foxbuntu> or amd rather
[01:57] <foxbuntu> you shouldnt have to reboot the machine after the install
[01:57] <POWERTOWER> I have tried the driver for windows and it worked OK, but no go on ubuntu
[01:57] <foxbuntu> but try running the install via ssh or plain shell
[01:57] <POWERTOWER> I ran it in the terminal
[01:57] <foxbuntu> you grabbed the linux drivers right?
[01:57] <POWERTOWER> Of course...lol
[01:58] <foxbuntu> well...you should see the questions sometimes
[01:58] <foxbuntu> sorry
[01:58] <POWERTOWER> I bet....
[01:58] <POWERTOWER> I a semi noober myself
[01:58] <foxbuntu> do this
[01:58] <foxbuntu> alt+f2
[01:59] <foxbuntu> (I think)
[01:59] <foxbuntu> should bring up the shell
[01:59] <POWERTOWER> shows desktop
[01:59] <foxbuntu> nope
[01:59] <foxbuntu> alt+f1
[01:59] <POWERTOWER> yeah
[01:59] <foxbuntu> is it the run command or the black shell?
[01:59] <POWERTOWER> its the shell/terminal
[01:59] <foxbuntu> ok
[02:00] <foxbuntu> login to that
[02:00] <foxbuntu> then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[02:01] <foxbuntu> then sudo ./driver-pkg.run
[02:01] <foxbuntu> whatever the name and location is
[02:01] <POWERTOWER> hrmm...
[02:01] <POWERTOWER> should have done this through putty
[02:02] <foxbuntu> either way works
[02:03] <foxbuntu> did you get that?
[02:04] <POWERTOWER> tring to figure out how to navigate to my desktop in the command line
[02:05] <foxbuntu> /home/username/Desktop
[02:06] <POWERTOWER> OK its rinning
[02:06] <foxbuntu> k
[02:07] <POWERTOWER> asking to install driver 8..... or generate distribution specific driver package
[02:07] <foxbuntu> let it generate one
[02:07] <foxbuntu> it will build the kernel driver for it then
[02:08] <POWERTOWER> enter install path
[02:09] <Wy|laptop> Um, why are you using that instead of using the version of the fglrx driver that creates a .deb?
[02:09] <foxbuntu> just hit enter and it should use its defaults
[02:09] <POWERTOWER> no write permissions
[02:09] <Wy|laptop> afaik, the fglrx package lets you make a .deb package for your appropriate distro (ubuntu/gutsy)
[02:09] <foxbuntu> Wy|laptop, I dont think his chipset is supported by fglrx yet
[02:09] <Wy|laptop> It is.
[02:09] <Wy|laptop> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide
[02:10] <foxbuntu> POWERTOWER, did you run it as sudo?
[02:10] <Wy|laptop> I use a x2400HD on mine
[02:10] <POWERTOWER> yea
[02:10] <foxbuntu> hmm
[02:10] <Wy|laptop> follow the method 2 instructions there, POWERTOWER
[02:10] <POWERTOWER> from the wiki?
[02:10] <foxbuntu> POWERTOWER, http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide#Method_1:_Install_the_Driver_the_Ubuntu_Way
[02:10] <foxbuntu> Wy|laptop, thanks...didnt see that before
[02:11] <Wy|laptop> yeah
[02:17] <POWERTOWER> How would anything in linux get done without documentation....
[02:17] <Wy|laptop> Carefully.
[02:17] <Wy|laptop> and by self documenting code. :P :P :P
[02:18] <POWERTOWER> when I run this code "gksu gedit /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common" i get "cannot open display"
[02:18] <POWERTOWER> cause im in putty?
[02:18] <foxbuntu> yes
[02:19] <Wy|laptop> unless you have an xserver and xtunneling expressly enabled on your windows and myth boxes, it won't work
[02:19] <Wy|laptop> Your windows box will need http://sourceforge.net/projects/xming
[02:20] <POWERTOWER> Yeah no go on that, if i hit escape on grub loader what option could i use to enter the command line?
[02:20] <Wy|laptop> why not just vim /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common ?
[02:20] <Wy|laptop> or nano
[02:20] <Wy|laptop> or any other editor
[02:28] <POWERTOWER> no worries its already been edited
[02:53] <POWERTOWER> Hey Wy|laptop, that tutorial fixed my display problem...but noy my mythtv front end is broken...any ideas?
[02:58] <Wy|laptop> how is it broken?
[02:59] <POWERTOWER> opens then closes imediatly
[02:59] <POWERTOWER> same with the backend
[03:00] <dwf_starband> is there a howto for opening up your mythweb to outside your local network?
[03:01] <Wy|laptop> no howto, I don't think
[03:01] <dwf_starband> is it complicated?
[03:01] <Wy|laptop> BUT, you shouldn't need one, because it's not a mythweb issue
[03:01] <Wy|laptop> What is your 'local network'?
[03:01] <Wy|laptop> dsl/cable + router?
[03:02] <Wy|laptop> then look into port forwarding on your router, + using encryption on mythweb
[03:02] <dwf_starband> everything inside my router, i have port 80 forwarded, but that doesnt work
[03:02] <Wy|laptop> you should have port 80 forwarded
[03:02] <Wy|laptop> it should work
[03:03] <dwf_starband> it workes from a computer with a 192.168.0. address, but not from outside
[03:04] <Wy|laptop> are you set up to allow outside connections?
[03:04] <Wy|laptop> on apache
[03:04] <dwf_starband> if i browse to my outside address from within my network it forwards me properly
[03:05] <dwf_starband> thats probably my problem, how do i change that?
[03:05] <POWERTOWER> Now when I run mythtv backend, its says the libraries are missing
[03:06] <Wy|laptop> powertower: er...
[03:07] <Wy|laptop> did you screw something up? the wiki I showed you shouldn't have done anything
[03:07] <Wy|laptop> wrt to your myth binaries
[03:07] <POWERTOWER> I think im going to run fresh install, been trying to many tutorials - something probably gave in
[03:07] <POWERTOWER> but the wiki did work so im going to book mark that
[03:07] <Wy|laptop> Yeah, I think you broke something
[03:08] <Wy|laptop> dwf: lemme check. stand by.
[03:08] <dwf_starband> ok thanks
[03:08] <POWERTOWER> someone needs to post that in ubuntu forms, there is many users looking for that info
[03:08] <Wy|laptop> powertower: reinstall and then use the tutorial I showed you to get X working
[03:08] <Wy|laptop> powertower: Sounds like you've got yourself a job
[03:08] <POWERTOWER> Will do thanks Wy|laptop
[03:09] <Wy|laptop> dwf: gimme a sec
[03:10] <dwf_starband> no worries, im trying to google too
[03:10] <Wy|laptop> Not googling, sshing to my setup to figure it out
[03:10] <dwf_starband> oh, ok
[03:19] <Wy|laptop> implement a password by using vim /var/www/mythweb/.htaccess
[03:19] <Wy|laptop> or nano
[03:21] <Wy|laptop> and you're sure that your firewall forwarding works?
[03:21] <dwf_starband> if I browse to my outside address from inside my network it forwards me, so I am assuming it is
[03:22] <dwf_starband> ok, what do i do in /.htaccess
[03:23] <Wy|laptop> also, what provider are you using?
[03:24] <dwf_starband> starband
[03:25] <Wy|laptop> that's a satellite provider, right?
[03:25] <Wy|laptop> they may not allow inbound connections
[03:25] <dwf_starband> they do, i had a personal wiki on my windows machine a year or so ago, it worked fine
[03:26] <dwf_starband> i can ssh in, and vnc works as well
[03:26] <Wy|laptop> okay
[03:26] <Wy|laptop> hrm. can you change your port forwarding to your windows machine and fire up a web server?
[03:28] <dwf_starband> um,
[03:28] <dwf_starband> then i would need to get one working on there again,
[03:29] <Wy|laptop> just wondering if it's a provider problem
[03:29] <dwf_starband> I dont even have a keyboard or monitor on that machine
[03:30] <Wy|laptop> *nod*
[03:30] <Wy|laptop> hrm
[03:51] <BHSPitMonkey> woah!
[03:52] <dwf_starband> woah!
[03:52] <BHSPitMonkey> /var/log/mythtv filled up my hard drive by churning out 64GB of log files!
[03:52] <BHSPitMonkey> that's tough to fathom
[03:53] <BHSPitMonkey> anyone heard of such buggage?
[03:57] <Wy|laptop> what is your loglevel at?
[03:57] <Wy|laptop> crazy
[04:06] <BHSPitMonkey> default
[04:06] <BHSPitMonkey> this is a fresh install
[04:11] <Wy|laptop> crazy
[04:11] <Wy|laptop> what are the log errors?
[04:52] <galileo> Anyone available to help me figure out why I've got no sound?
[04:54] <galileo> I get test tones from the Sound Preferences window, but nothing in MythFrontend or any of my media players (xine, totem)
[04:55] <galileo> Never had sound in MythFrontend, but Totem was working fine until I installed DVD support and whatever updates were telling me they needed to be installed.  Post-install, I've lost my previously working sound.
[04:57] <foxbuntu> galileo, have you checked in Mythfrontend if you are using the internal sounds controls or external, what your output source is, and alsamixer to see if anything is muted?
[04:57] <galileo> er...  correction:  since my last reboot, even the Sound Preferences window has stopped making noise.  :-/
[04:58] <galileo> the mixer looks good.  Everything but the microphone is unmuted and non-zero volume.
[04:59] <foxbuntu> galileo, in alsamixer are the letters at the bottom MM or 00
[05:00] <galileo> Master, PCM, CD, Video, and External are all 00
[05:00] <foxbuntu> k
[05:01] <galileo> I was watching videos in totem earlier tonight with no problems.
[05:01] <foxbuntu> and it only stopped working when you installed mythtv?
[05:02] <foxbuntu> have you checked the audio settings inside mythfrontend?
[05:02] <galileo> I installed a) libdvdcss and some associated items and b) some updates from the update manager.  I did both consecutively, so I'm not sure which might be responsible.
[05:03] <galileo> My mythfrontend has always been spotty, so I've been operating mostly from the GNOME/openbox desktop.  I'm pretty sure my mythfrontend settings have never been quite right.;
[05:03] <galileo> though now i've lost the ability to make sound outside myth as well
[05:03] <foxbuntu> galileo, try this (to make sure you have everything you need) sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:05] <galileo> working...
[05:05] <foxbuntu> k
[05:05] <galileo> ran to the point of my normal error at this point:
[05:05] <foxbuntu> normal error?
[05:05] <galileo> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:05] <galileo>  lirc
[05:05] <galileo>  mythbuntu-lirc-generator
[05:05] <galileo>  mythbuntu-control-centre
[05:05] <galileo>  mythbuntu-desktop
[05:05] <galileo> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:05] <galileo> happens every time.  I've not had time to trouble shoot it.
[05:06] <foxbuntu> you need to fix that
[05:06] <foxbuntu> mythbuntu-desktop has allot of settings in there
[05:06] <galileo> lol, probably, yeah
[05:06] <foxbuntu> and MCC is super nice
[05:06] <galileo> which brings me to another snag:
[05:07] <galileo> kyle@Kepler:~$ mythbuntu-control-centre
[05:07] <galileo>   File "/usr/share/mythbuntu-control-centre/bin/mythbuntu-control-centre", line 26, in <module>
[05:07] <galileo>     from MythbuntuControlCentre.core import ControlCentre
[05:07] <galileo> ImportError: No module named MythbuntuControlCentre.core
[05:07] <foxbuntu> I am now assuming you installed Ubuntu desktop and you are upgrading to Mythbuntu
[05:07] <galileo> I installed mythbuntu first, then apt-get'd the desktop... (or something like that)
[05:08] <foxbuntu> so you installed MB from the CD?
[05:08] <galileo> yes
[05:08] <foxbuntu> ok
[05:08] <foxbuntu> sounds like you need to yank MCC and put it back in
[05:08] <foxbuntu> try
[05:09] <galileo> back in September, and I've been messing with it off and on ever sense.  It's my first myth system.  It's an older computer (though capable) and it's the only one running myth-anything at this point.
[05:09] <foxbuntu> sudo apt-get remove --purge mythbuntu-control-center
[05:09] <foxbuntu> galileo, have you installed with our Release disk?
[05:10] <galileo> not if it's more recent
[05:10] <galileo> remove finished
[05:10] <foxbuntu> We had release one on Ubuntu 7.10 a few weeks ago
[05:11] <foxbuntu> sudo apt-get install mythbuntu-control-centre
[05:11] <galileo> I've not re-installed since then.  No.l
[05:11] <galileo> I've only been keeping up with Update Manager
[05:11] <foxbuntu> ok
[05:11] <galileo> install done
[05:11] <foxbuntu> sudo apt-get install -f
[05:12] <galileo> still getting the same "no module" error if I run it.
[05:12] <foxbuntu> galileo, thats really stragne
[05:12] <foxbuntu> strange rather
[05:13] <galileo> center/centre, strange/stragne...  it's all good.  :-)
[05:13] <foxbuntu> lol
[05:13] <foxbuntu> i am on a roll tonight
[05:13]  * foxbuntu can't type tonight
[05:14] <foxbuntu> anyhow..
[05:14] <foxbuntu> that error really makes no sense
[05:14] <galileo> I'm removing the lirc stuff too...  it was a lirc update that failed and grabbed my attention a couple weeks ago.  I've just been ignoring it until I had time to deal.
[05:15] <foxbuntu> galileo, you might want to try a reload..unless you have a ton of recordings or something you are trying to save
[05:15] <foxbuntu> you seem to have several broken packages
[05:15] <galileo> I could probably do that.
[05:16] <galileo> guess there goes another weekend.  :-)
[05:16] <foxbuntu> naw
[05:16] <foxbuntu> galileo, where do you live
[05:16] <foxbuntu> ?
[05:16] <foxbuntu> I will send you to a fast server
[05:16] <galileo> Arkansas, US
[05:16] <foxbuntu> ah
[05:16] <foxbuntu> mine then
[05:17] <foxbuntu> http://mirror.foxmediasystems.com
[05:17] <galileo> whoa!
[05:17] <galileo> removed and reloaded lirc and now my mcc is open
[05:17] <galileo> first time I've ever seen it!
[05:17] <foxbuntu> oh
[05:17] <foxbuntu> hmm
[05:17] <foxbuntu> wonder how lirc got so broken
[05:18] <galileo> I *might* have chosen the wrong remote, but I really wouldn't have expected that to cause this much headache
[05:18] <foxbuntu> naw
[05:18] <galileo> ugh, it's telling me I have to restart my login session...  brb
[05:18] <foxbuntu> k
[05:23] <foxbuntu> welcome back galileo
[05:23] <galileo> thanks
[05:24] <galileo> anything else I ought to try to fix before tackling my sound problems?  :-)
[05:25] <foxbuntu> did you get those upgrades in?
[05:27] <galileo> everything seems happy.  there's one mythfrontend package running right now
[05:28] <galileo> and even when I install it, it rescans and says it needs to be installed again.
[05:30] <foxbuntu> I assume the one that says its needs upgraded is ubuntu-mythtv-frontend?
[05:30] <galileo> yes
[05:30] <foxbuntu> yea..I actually have that on my machine as well...but I am not sure the cause
[05:30] <foxbuntu> so ignore it
[05:30] <galileo> ignored
[05:31] <foxbuntu> got sound now?
[05:31] <galileo> so, I'm checking my sound preferences and just noticed that all of my playback settings say "VIA 82C68A/B rev590 (Not Conntected)"
[05:31] <galileo> They did not used to say Not Connected.
[05:31] <foxbuntu> hmm
[05:31] <foxbuntu> is it disabled in the bios for some reason?
[05:32] <galileo> And now my greater Linux ignorance kicks in.  I'm not sure who disconnected them or how to reconnect it.
[05:32] <galileo> I've not touched my bios in weeks and it was working earlier this evening, so I'm going to venture that it's not turned off in the bios.
[05:32] <foxbuntu> that really sounds like they are disabled in the bios
[05:32] <galileo> however, I'll be more than happy to restart and verify
[05:32] <foxbuntu> ok
[05:33] <galileo> back in a bit.
[05:33] <foxbuntu> k
[05:33] <rhpot1991> anyone have any idea why telling a job to stop in the info center doesn't seem to do anything?
[05:34] <rhpot1991> (custom) job keeps running till its done, unless I kill it myself
[05:38] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, what job and where in the infocenter?
[05:39] <rhpot1991> custom script to export to ipod video
[05:39] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, you mean myth2ipod/
[05:39] <foxbuntu> ?
[05:39] <rhpot1991> and info center, system status, job queue
[05:40] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, are you using myth2ipod?
[05:40] <rhpot1991> its a variation of this script here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ipod_export
[05:40] <rhpot1991> myth2ipod is out dated so I decided not to mess with it
[05:42] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, prob a good idea...however Im not sure why it wouldnt kill for you...
[05:42] <foxbuntu> but info center seems to act like that allot
[05:42] <foxbuntu> galileo, any such luck there/
[05:42] <foxbuntu> ?
[05:43] <rhpot1991> ya, not really a big deal, I'm just messing with some bugs now and its annoying to have to kill it myself every time
[05:43] <galileo> Progress...  I get the incredibly annoying test screech from the sound preferences.
[05:43] <galileo> Still nothing from mythfrontend or totem
[05:43] <rhpot1991> iTunes likes to complain about long file names and all
[05:43] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, agreed
[05:44] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, actually I am start devel on better ipod support for MythTV
[05:44] <galileo> and I suppose while were fixing all the little (big) things I keep ignoring, I'll mention that everytime I exit the frontend it tells me it can't connect to the master backend server.
[05:45] <foxbuntu> galileo, hrm
[05:45] <foxbuntu> I am stumped
[05:45] <rhpot1991> foxbuntu what are the plans?
[05:45] <rhpot1991> I left a comment in the ipod task for mythbuntu
[05:46] <galileo> is there some reason my aps just aren't going through the ALSA driver?  Are they hooked up to the wrong device?
[05:46] <galileo> (ramblings of a clueless madman, btw)
[05:46] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, this export feature, Mythmusic PnP support, and perhaps iTunes streams
[05:46] <foxbuntu> galileo, try looking at the Mythfrontend settings menu
[05:47] <foxbuntu> it usually defaults to its interal audio controls
[05:47] <foxbuntu> (which I dislike)
[05:48] <galileo> is there a way to open that in a window so I can keep switching back here?
[05:48] <foxbuntu> just switch back with alt+tab
[05:49] <galileo> I'm just going through my apps trying to find what works and what doesn't.  Rythmbox makes noise.  Not everything is broken
[05:49] <foxbuntu> ok
[05:50] <rhpot1991> foxbuntu I'd be interested in helping out some, tgm4883 invited me to the last developer meeting but I couldn't make it
[05:50] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, we have another one coming up
[05:50] <rhpot1991> ya, I'll have to try and make it
[05:51] <rhpot1991> would I need any special setup, or can I be doing work on my main mythbox?
[05:51] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, we certialy could use the help...we have tons of specs to get through by release
[05:51] <galileo> fox, my audio output device is ALSA:default
[05:51] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, you will destroy your mythbox  so thats not a great idea
[05:51] <foxbuntu> galileo, thats right, but is the box checked to use internal controls?
[05:52] <galileo> the passthrough output is just default, but I've got an ALSA:iec598... option as well.
[05:52] <galileo> Yes, internal controls were checked.  uncheck that?
[05:52] <rhpot1991> how do most people normally do it, do I need actual hardware for it to touch or can I just set up an instance on vmware or something
[05:52] <foxbuntu> galileo, yes uncheck it
[05:52] <galileo> done
[05:53] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, most testing is done in virtual machines
[05:53] <foxbuntu> certian things have to be tested on hardwre ,but we have pleanty of people that test on hardware
[05:54] <rhpot1991> does the vm need to have access to a tuner?
[05:54] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, nope
[05:54] <rhpot1991> excelent
[05:54] <galileo> still no sound.  thanks for your help on the other stuff...  at least now I can get to all my settings.  I'm headed to bed for tonight though.  The rest will have to wait.
[05:54] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, what kind of code experience do you have? (just wondering)
[05:54] <foxbuntu> galileo, alright
[05:54] <foxbuntu> god luck
[05:55] <foxbuntu> good luck*
[05:55] <rhpot1991> perl is the most relivant
[05:55] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, awesome
[05:55] <rhpot1991> c++, java, vb
[05:55] <rhpot1991> no python sadly
[05:55]  * foxbuntu shutters at java
[05:55] <rhpot1991> I do asp.net work for work
[05:55] <rhpot1991> currently that is
[05:56] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, you will pickup python pretty easy
[05:56] <foxbuntu> I did
[05:56] <rhpot1991> ya I'd imagine it wouldn't be too far of a stretch
[05:56] <rhpot1991> brb, gotta make some iced tea for work tomorrow
[06:14] <rhpot1991> now if only my comcast connection wasn't crap...
[06:37] <galileo> foxbuntu, still around?
[08:11] <levander> Somebody was in here telling me the packge to install if I just want all the mythbuntu stuff on top of a regular GNOME ubuntu system.  I thought it was just called "mythbuntu", but apparently, there's not package named that.
[08:13] <levander> What's the name of the package?
[08:15] <levander> Okay, apparently it's "mythtv" that I install.  But, from looking and guessing, it doesn't look like I also get MCC if I do it that way...
[08:36] <superm1_> levander,
[08:36] <superm1_> http://www.mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu
[08:36] <superm1_> :)
[17:33] <MythbuntuGuest57> hi
[17:34] <MythbuntuGuest57> could someone please help me myth will not connect to mysql
[17:37] <MythbuntuGuest31> hi
[17:43] <MythbuntuGuest57> hi
[17:47] <MythbuntuGuest57> hi
[17:47] <Dr_willis_> Moo!
[17:47] <Dr_willis_> :)
[17:47] <MythbuntuGuest57> lol
[17:47] <MythbuntuGuest57> myth will not connect to mysql
[17:47] <MythbuntuGuest57> could you help me please
[17:48] <Dr_willis_> Other then to say double check the passwords - and perhaps the logs.. Not really
[17:48] <MythbuntuGuest57> where are the logs stored please?
[17:50] <Dr_willis_>  /var/log   i think.
[17:50] <Dr_willis_> unless thers some mythtv specifc ones in the mythtv dirs
[17:51] <Dr_willis_>  /var/log/mythtv/ has some on this box
[17:52] <MythbuntuGuest57> thanks
[18:07] <rhpot1991> are the backend and frontend on the same machine?
[18:12] <superm1> !mythtv-mysql
[18:12] <ubotu> Having issues with 'access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES), please see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3691155&postcount=4
[18:16] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest57, ^
[19:18] <KjetilK> anyone feel like reviewing my shopping cart before I hit "order"?
[19:18] <KjetilK> http://prisguide.hardware.no/vis_handlevogn.php?waggon_id=58255
[19:19] <KjetilK> I hope there is nothing there that won't work. I am in most doubt about the ALC888-based sound card...
[19:28] <haffi> Hi, can someone help me a bit with getting sound to work on mythtv? The mythbuntu installation manual doesn't mention how to setup sound.
[21:04] <rhpot1991> any devs around?
[21:12] <stevetv> hi tgm4883
[21:13] <tgm4883_laptop> hi
[21:13] <stevetv> im having problems with devede.. possibly u may be able to help
[21:13] <stevetv> http://www.rastersoft.com/programas/devede.html
[21:13] <stevetv> he Mplayer/Mencoder version in Ubuntu Feisty is buggy and produces noisy sound when used with DeVeDe.
[21:13] <tgm4883_laptop> eh, im not a fan of devede, i only used it once and it dodn't work
[21:14] <stevetv> hmm.. ive had success with it on fedora.. not ubuntu tho
[21:14] <DaveMorris> I've used thoggen dvd ripper, it was straight forward.  Can only output as ogg though
[21:14] <stevetv> yeah.. i need to go from avi>dvd
[21:14] <tgm4883_laptop> stevetv, what are you trying to do?  Rip DVD's?
[21:14] <tgm4883_laptop> oh
[21:15] <stevetv> lol.. hey!.. i could use myth!
[21:15] <tgm4883_laptop> is this somehow mythbuntu related?
[21:15] <stevetv> mytharchive should do that.. but it doesnt work
[21:15] <stevetv> er.. when i try to select the avi file.. it doesnt check it.  it puts a red something next to it.
[21:16] <stevetv> it works for recordings tho
[21:16] <stevetv> it is suposed to convert videos (avi) tho too right?
[21:17]  * tgm4883_laptop shrugs
[21:17]  * tgm4883_laptop only uses it for recordings
[21:17] <stevetv> hmm.. maybe it's not then.. ill find out.
[21:18] <stevetv> from myth wiki: MythArchive is a new plugin for MythTV that lets you create DVDs from your recorded shows, MythVideo files and any video files available on your system
[21:19] <stevetv> i'll figure it out.
[21:21] <tgm4883_laptop> stevetv, it probably has to be on the same machine
[21:21] <tgm4883_laptop> not over NFS
[21:21] <stevetv> ..wait.. maybe it's not.  can someone define a "mythvideo" file.
[21:21] <tgm4883_laptop> or any other network share
[21:22] <stevetv> yes.. its on the same machine.  its an avi of my sisters wedding.  i wanted to make a dvd playable dvd for her
[21:23] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[21:23] <tgm4883_laptop> is it dv video?
[21:25] <stevetv> it was initially recorded with a digital video camera.  that went onto my computer.  my dad transcoded it to an avi file, and it came to me.  since then the original video was lost.. so the avi is all that remains.  i wanted to convert it back to a format playable on a dvd
[21:25] <stevetv> lol.. that doesnt make sense.  went onto MY DADs computer and was transcoded..
[21:26] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[21:26] <tgm4883_laptop> have you successfully archived other things in mytharchive?
[21:26] <stevetv> only recordings previously
[21:26] <tgm4883_laptop> I ask because I think my first time was a little difficult figuring it out
[21:26] <tgm4883_laptop> k
[21:27] <tgm4883_laptop> so.......
[21:27] <tgm4883_laptop> back to devede
[21:28] <stevetv> it needs Mplayer 1.0~rc2 i believe
[21:28] <stevetv> or at least the devede website says that the version of mplayer / memcoder bundled with 7.10 doesn't work
[21:28] <superm1> stevetv, hm lets see if that finished up the hardy build yet
[21:29] <superm1> so i can get a gutsy backport
[21:29] <stevetv> :) .. i did read that post superm1
[21:29] <superm1> hm not done yet
[21:29] <superm1> perhaps i'll push it to a ppa in the meanwhile
[21:29] <superm1> its been sitting in the queue for days
[21:29] <stevetv> dude don't do anything on my account.
[21:30] <stevetv> i can likely just use dvdauthor from command line..
[21:31] <stevetv> tho im not certain that will work as devede is simply a gui for the programs that ill need to use with dvdauthor
[21:31] <stevetv> and i fear the same problems may happen.. tho i haven't tried
[21:49] <stevetv> dvdauthor seems to work fine.  so im fine. thanks for help gents
[22:27] <tgm4883_laptop> ping Daviey
[22:27] <Daviey> tgm4883_laptop: pong
[22:27] <tgm4883_laptop> no autojoin?
[22:28] <Daviey> no
[22:28] <tgm4883_laptop> :(
[22:28] <tgm4883_laptop> I kinda feel bad now
[22:28] <Daviey> what for?
[22:28] <tgm4883_laptop> check -dev
[23:00] <levander> In mythtv-setup, setting up Video Sources, how am I supposed to know what Channel Frequency Table I need?
[23:36] <frank23> levander: if you've got cable in the US or canada it's us-cable
[23:44] <levander> frank23: thanks


[11:28] <Guest78> Window Shuffler is not working anymore -- since iBudgie 6.2.0-26-generic #26~22.04.1-Ubuntu
[11:30] <Guest78> It would be great to have a feature that Budgie could remember Window Position and sizes ...