[08:37] <elacheche> Kilos: Yesterday, was a beautiful day :)
[08:37] <Kilos> helloooooo africa
[08:37] <elacheche> Check: https://twitter.com/hashtag/SFD2016TN?src=hash && https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/sfd2016tn?source=feed_text&story_id=10209693838356856
[08:38] <elacheche> Ubuntu TN had 5 workshops out of 7 workshops.. And we got the prize of the best workshop (Docker + Linux Kernlel contribution) , Docker by me, and Linux Kernel contrib by nzoueidi
[08:39] <Kilos> congratulation young man
[08:39] <Kilos> well done
[08:39] <elacheche> :D :D
[08:40] <elacheche> nzoueidi: We shold blog about that, and send it to the news team ;) :D
[08:40] <Kilos> yes do that
[08:40] <Kilos> dont forget
[08:40] <elacheche> Let's ruvuve this Monday mornign first x)
[08:40] <Kilos> lol
[08:44] <elacheche> survive x).. You see Kilos x) I can't even write a right world x) Also, I have no more voice x) My voice is gone.. I didn't sing yesterday x) nzoueidi maybe did :p
[08:44] <Kilos> what happened to your voice
[08:46] <elacheche> It was cold outside, hot inside.. And I stay after event to help lifting heavy stand tables to room, they were wet because of the rain.. And it was raining sometimes x)
[08:46] <elacheche> Kilos: MarwenDo had a talk as well.. Didn't see it, but I'm sure it was awesome
[08:47] <Kilos> thats good to hear
[08:47] <Kilos> hi MarwenDo
[08:52] <MarwenDo> hi elacheche Kilos
[08:52] <elacheche> Hello MarwenDo :)
[08:52] <MarwenDo> happy to see u at SFD  :) elacheche
[08:52] <Kilos> im proud of you guys
[08:53] <Kilos> keep up the good work
[08:57] <MarwenDo> proud of u elacheche and nzoueidi :)
[08:58] <elacheche> Thanks MarwenDo :D


[07:24] <AlanBell> anyone know how the new messaging menu API works?
[07:24] <kenvandine> AlanBell, talk to larsu in #ubuntu-desktop
[07:25] <AlanBell> thanks kenvandine
[07:25] <kenvandine> np
[09:39] <tsdgeos> Trevinho: reuploaded https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity/fix_panek_title_escaping_1067357/+merge/130111 to fix a merge conflcit in CMakeLists.txt can you reapprove?
[10:10] <MCR1> smspillaz: Hi :) Are you here ?
[10:14] <MCR1> sil2100: Hi :) Sorry for f*cking up the ARM build with my GL_BLEND fix recently - I will take & have taken more care of that now...
[10:16] <Trevinho> tsdgeos: sure
[10:17] <Trevinho> tsdgeos: in these case you can safely re-approve it yourself, btw ;)
[10:18] <tsdgeos> it did reapprove it myself to get the merger to try again
[10:18] <tsdgeos> but since there was a "code" change i thought it was better if someone reapproved it :-)
[10:19] <sil2100> MCR1: Hi! No problem, things like that might happen - testing all code paths before submitting is impossible ;)
[10:19] <MCR1> sil2100: I could have seen it ;)
[10:20] <MCR1> sil2100: I got already another GL_BLEND fix - this time it fixes the opaque selection rectangle of the screenshot plug-in...
[10:20] <MCR1> sil2100: But this time I used #ifndef...
[10:28] <MCR1> Trevinho: Are you familiar with bool UnityWindow::place(CompPoint& pos) ?
[10:28] <MCR1> Trevinho: Hi :), btw
[10:28] <Trevinho> MCR1: hi
[10:28] <MCR1> Trevinho: We have a big problem with unityshell overrriding the Place plug-ins working functionality
[10:28] <Trevinho> MCR1: not strictly, what's the problem?
[10:30] <MCR1> Trevinho: bug 874146
[10:32] <MCR1> I have solved it, but Sam does not like my approach, so I am trying to fix it by making sure PlaceWindow::place (CompPoint &pos) will be called in unityshell.
[10:33] <MCR1> This is the desired behaviour: https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz-core/+bug/874146/+attachment/3406177/+files/UnityAndPlacePluginWorkingTogether.webm
[10:33] <Trevinho> MCR1: you should only make sure that the base function is called...
[10:34] <Trevinho> MCR1: i.e. calling at the end window->Place(pos), does not work?
[10:37] <MCR1> Trevinho: That was the idea - I just wanted to ask if that would be okay ? - So instead of returning the result - calling PlaceWindow::place (CompPoint &pos) ?
[10:37] <Trevinho> MCR1: the problem could be that it would ignore what unity changes...
[10:38] <Trevinho> MCR1: so... mh, probably we should call it before our modifications
[10:38] <MCR1> Trevinho: A big problem is that we are doubling functionality... that creates several problems...
[10:39] <MCR1> Trevinho: If we have a dedicated Place lugin it ideally should do all the placing work IMHO
[10:39] <MCR1> *plugin
[10:40] <MCR1> Trevinho: Fact is also that the placing of windows across monitors does not work at all at the moment, which is a big issue for multimonitor users.
[10:42] <MCR1> Trevinho: From what I see in the unityshell code Unity cares just about the launcher regarding the placement and also about the monitor, but this is somehow broken...
[10:44] <MCR1> Trevinho: Another problem is that we have multiple settings for the same thing in CCSM -> namely the "placement mode" which is in general options and then you can set it once again in the place options... we should eliminate one of those settings
[10:44] <MCR1> The one in General options seems to be fake anyway, but I'll have to analyze more carefully here...
[10:46] <MCR1> Trevinho: Currently, if you start the Place plugin after unityshell its functionality is working again, because it overridess the broken unityshell place behaviour...
[10:46] <MCR1> Trevinho: It is the same problem like we had with showdesktop, which now also works...
[10:47] <MCR1> (enable CCSM->show desktop, Hit Super+D and your windows fly off screen now in trunk)
[10:53] <MCR1> Trevinho: I do not have much time today, but if you have a idea on how to best ensure that the place plugins functionality is called in unityshell, please comment on my merge request...
[10:54] <MCR1> c ya
[11:25] <tsdgeos> Trevinho: and the same thing for 6.0 branch https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity/fix_panek_title_escaping_1067357_for_6.0/+merge/130545
[11:37] <MCR1> back...
[11:37] <MCR1> :)
[11:40] <MCR1> Trevinho, sil2100: We have another problem I think I've found a solution for. Please see this video: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1069242/+attachment/3406760/+files/Multimonitor-LauncherHidesIfRevealedWithMouseAlthoughPointerHoversIt.webm
[11:42] <MCR1> The problem here is that although Displays Settings is aware of all monitors, unityshell seems to not fully know that it is possible to have more than 2 monitors attached...
[11:43] <MCR1> At least the mousepointer hovering the launcher is just detected on 2 monitors, but not on the third.
[11:44] <MCR1> I think we could fix this by tuning unityshell, where you can set the Launcher to either show on "Primary Desktop" or "All Desktops".
[11:57] <phanimahesh> is didrocks around?
[12:05] <popey> phanimahesh, he's just powering his laptop on
[12:08] <phanimahesh> we were trying to get the unity-reset script promoted on webupd8 when we were asked why is this better than using dconf directly.
[12:08] <phanimahesh> and we need didrocks to answer that, since he recommended using gsettings.
[12:09] <sil2100> MCR1: interesting find this bug
[12:10] <MCR1> sil2100: I am currently updating the description to narrow it down.
[12:11] <MCR1> sil2100: Conclusion is that it works on 2 of 3 monitors only - here of course the one monitor it does not work on is the one I want the Launcher to be on :P
[12:16] <sil2100> MCR1: ;p Well, it's not hight priority though, since I think auto-hide on multimonitors is not that popular
[12:17] <MCR1> sil2100: I will try to fix it, because it breaks the Launcher here ;)
[12:17] <MCR1> sil2100: Here is another fix: https://code.launchpad.net/~mc-return/compiz/compiz.merge-fix1047788-screenshot-selection-rectangle-opaque/+merge/130547
[12:18] <MCR1> sil2100: Video showing the fix in action ;) : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/771875/+attachment/3406112/+files/ScreenshotPluginAfterFixes.webm
[12:46] <phanimahesh> didrocks: can you explain why using Gsettings is preferred over invoking dconf?
[12:47] <phanimahesh> Relevant discussion here: http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/6586493#6586493
[13:54] <desrt> why is gsettings sucking so much?
[13:54] <desrt> dconf seems a lot easier to use...
[13:54] <didrocks> desrt: http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/6586493#6586493
[13:57] <phanimahesh> didrocks: argparse is now the preferred method according to python docs.Can i switch from optparse to argparse? ( unity.cmake )
[13:57] <didrocks> phanimahesh: oh sure
[13:57] <didrocks> phanimahesh: for R only though, not Q ;)
[13:58] <didrocks> you can even switch to python3 please :)
[13:59] <phanimahesh> Gimme a couple of days. :D
[14:00] <phanimahesh> will the --reset get into Q or will it have to wait for R?
[14:05] <didrocks> phanimahesh: --reset can go into Q as a SRU if you don't change argparse and so on for it
[14:05] <didrocks> phanimahesh: so, I would say, propose 2 different branches
[14:05] <didrocks> one for Q with the minimal change
[14:05] <didrocks> and one for R with tests ;)
[14:07] <phanimahesh> I'll make a pull request with the minimal changes version. Amith's last one had a small typo.
[14:07] <phanimahesh> and I'll rewrite and port it to python3 for R.
[14:08] <didrocks> excellent, thanks phanimahesh!
[14:09] <phanimahesh> the pleasure is mine. :)
[14:26] <phanimahesh> didrocks: using subprocess.call("unity") is what we have been doing. both you and me. can setsid unity be preferred over this because it releases the terminal and doesn't kill unity when the terminal is closed?
[15:06] <balloons> mmrazik, ping
[15:06] <mmrazik> balloons: pong
[15:06] <balloons> mmrazik, will you have a chance to add something to the slides?
[15:07] <balloons> I know it's a traveling week for everyone -- I don't want to end up with a time crunch :-)
[15:08] <mmrazik> balloons: do you have a deadline?
[15:09] <mmrazik> I need chris/thomi for that
[15:09] <mmrazik> they will be here wednsday
[15:09] <mmrazik> is Thursday fair for you?
[15:09] <balloons> mmrazik, yes that's fine. I'm going to be traveling until Sunday -- so I wanted t touchbase with you today
[15:10] <mmrazik> balloons: ok. There should be something by Thu EOD in the slides
[15:10] <balloons> btw, I didn't have much success trying to run an example autopilot test -- is there more than this on the wiki someplace? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/QA/Autopilot
[15:11] <mmrazik> balloons: I think the wiki is terribly outdated...
[15:11] <mmrazik> balloons: thomi has a branch with new documentation somewhere...
[15:11]  * mmrazik is looking for them
[15:13] <mmrazik> balloons: lp:~autopilot/autopilot/improved/documentation
[15:13] <mmrazik> the docs should be built with: "python setup.py build_sphinx"
[15:16] <balloons> mmrazik, ty.. trying that now
[15:18] <balloons> hmm.. not finding it
[15:18] <balloons> is it under thomi?
[15:18] <mmrazik> balloons: can you try this: lp:~autopilot/autopilot/improved-documentation
[15:18] <mmrazik> there was a typo in the previous one
[15:19] <balloons> that's it
[15:19] <mmrazik> balloons: I fail to build it, though
[15:19] <balloons> :-) same
[15:21] <mmrazik> balloons: sudo apt-get install python-sphinx
[15:22] <mmrazik> balloons: it should be in build/sphinx/html
[15:22] <mmrazik> the result I mean...
[15:24] <balloons> i see it
[16:11] <bobweaver> hello there How do I start llvm or get it to work ?
[17:20] <maxb> In quantal, in my multimonitor setup, sometimes it seems that the edge stop / launcher reveal between the two monitors does not always work. I'm unsure if this is a bug, or a feature. It seems that Unity might be trying to be helpful, and guess when I don't want the launcher based on having quickly moved the pointer between screens a couple of times recently
[17:22] <maxb> bug 1020058 sounds related
[17:45] <pavolzetor> Hello, I reported a bug while ago and it seems like nobody is going to fix it
[17:48] <pavolzetor> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/934431
[17:52] <pavolzetor> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/view/head:/plugins/unityshell/resources/launcher_pip_ltr.png
[17:52] <pavolzetor> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/view/head:/plugins/unityshell/resources/launcher_pip_rtl.png
[17:52] <pavolzetor> these two icons needs higher res, I do not have original ones
[19:16] <kruptos> I've upgraded to Ubuntu 12.10 automatically from 12.04 and I have lost all sound.  Can someone help me get sound back?
[19:40] <ceolin> hi folks, could someone tell me if appmenu requires patched versions of gtk and qt to work ?
[20:33] <crazydip> how do i order scropes in a lens?
[20:35] <crazydip> i can't find anything in the "Unity lenses and scopes" online docs
[20:40] <Deluxo> hello
[20:40] <Deluxo> id like to report a bug
[20:41] <Deluxo> active blur in compiz creates a very sluggish experience to the interface
[20:41] <Deluxo> i am using a decent notebook with optimus
[20:42] <Deluxo> so the bug is the following: when i change the active blur to no blur in CCSM
[20:42] <Deluxo> i get artifacts in dash and launcher area
[20:42] <Deluxo> when the dash overlaps a window
[20:43] <Deluxo> it make the window behind the dash all over the dash area
[20:43] <crazydip> what plugin in that in?
[20:43] <Deluxo> i have screenshots to show it exactly how does it look
[20:44] <Deluxo> it is the unity plugin in CCSM
[20:46] <Munchor95> ello
[20:46] <Munchor95> Hello*
[20:47] <Munchor> I'm an elementary OS Dev and we need some help from (you guys?). The bluetooth indicator is calling gnome-control-center (obviously). Does anybody have any idea of in which package that piece of code is? We couldn't find it anywhere on Launchpad and we really want to remove that link for elementary OS. Thank you in advance.
[20:47] <crazydip> Deluxo: submit the bug report with pictures to lauchpad's bug report - i would report one bug to compiz and then add "unity" to that bug report - go here to submit it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz
[20:48] <Deluxo> right on it, thanks
[20:50] <crazydip> Deluxo: once you submit the bug to the compiz project, click "also afects project" to add unity
[20:50] <Deluxo> Alright, i'll do it
[20:50] <crazydip> good luck!
[21:10] <Deluxo> the report is complete.
[21:10] <Deluxo> so now i wait?
[21:11] <Munchor> Deluxo, I'm pretty sure so.
[21:12] <Deluxo> i reported some long time ago to launchpad, but i still very new to it.
[21:12] <Deluxo> alright, Thanks Munchor. Good bye!


[23:43] <Garheade> Evening.
[23:43] <Garheade> My photos are a mess can anyone recomend a decent photo organizer?
[23:44] <FunnyLookinHat> Shotwell ?
[23:44] <FunnyLookinHat> I think a lot of people like that one.
[23:44] <FunnyLookinHat> I personally use Google+ to manage all of my photos... but that's a bit round-about.
[23:44] <Garheade> The whole Picasa/G+ relationship is bugging me a bit.
[23:45] <Garheade> I let some faminly use my comp and they seriously messed up my photos by reloading backups...
[23:45] <Garheade> several times...
[23:45] <Garheade> :(
[23:45] <Garheade> On a windows machine... :(


[06:18] <Kilos> morning all
[06:20] <mazal> More oom
[06:20] <mazal> Morning all
[06:21] <mazal> Anybody know of a good litte indicator app that displays info on hdd. Size , space used , space left ?
[06:24] <Kilos> hi mazal
[06:25] <Kilos> disk usage analyser?
[06:25] <mazal> I want something that runs permanently
[06:26] <mazal> Like a little indicator app
[06:26] <Kilos> what does google say
[06:27] <Kilos> Maaz, google disk usage indicator on ubuntu
[06:27] <Maaz> Kilos: "What Application Indicators are available? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/30334/what-application-indicators-are-available :: "indicator - disk usage statistics tools - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/296911/disk-usage-statistics-tools :: "10 Awesome Indicator Applets for Ubuntu's Unity Desktop" http://www.howtogeek.com/118908/10
[06:27] <Maaz> -awesome-indicator-applets-for-ubuntus-unity-desktop/ :: "10 Useful Application Indicators fo…
[06:27] <mazal> So far only ones that shows activity like indicator-multiload for example
[06:28] <Kilos> Maaz, google 10 Awesome Indicator Applets for Ubuntu's Unity Desktop
[06:28] <Maaz> Kilos: "10 Awesome Indicator Applets for Ubuntu's Unity Desktop" http://www.howtogeek.com/118908/10-awesome-indicator-applets-for-ubuntus-unity-desktop/ :: "10 Awesome Indicator Applets for Ubuntu's Unity Desktop | Ubuntu ..." http://www.ubuntu-news.net/2012/07/17/10-awesome-indicator-applets-for-ubuntus-unity-desktop/ :: "Top 10 Ubuntu 11.04 Unity Panel Applets -
[06:28] <Maaz> Softpedia News" http://news.softpedia.com/news/Top-10-Ubuntu-11-04-Unity-Panel-Applets-20…
[06:29] <Kilos> isnt there one in that ten
[06:29] <mazal> Going through them now
[06:30] <Kilos> i dunno if peeps worry about things like that with all the big drives available
[06:33] <mazal> My / partition not that big , like to keep an eye on it
[06:34] <Kilos> size?
[06:34] <mazal> I wonder if a simple script using df -h > sometextfile.txt that runs with cron will work
[06:34] <mazal> Then just needs to remember to check the file regularly lol
[06:36] <mazal> If I could figure out a way to mail the file to myself that would be nice
[06:37] <Kilos> hehe
[06:42] <mazal> Sharp , got it in cron to run every evening , now how to get it to mail that file to myself ?
[06:42] <Kilos> whew you clever hey
[06:43] <Kilos> why you ask me for help
[06:43] <mazal> Nah , I'm not clever lol
[06:43] <mazal> That command just struck me as we used it a while back on our server
[06:45] <mazal> Now I need a really nice idea how to make that file draw my attention and not forget about it
[06:46] <Kilos> haha
[06:51] <mazal> How about adding a command for gedit to open the file when it's created ?
[06:51] <mazal> Then in theory it should just pop up
[06:57] <mazal> sharp , it works. Now will just wait and see when cron runs it if it also works then
[07:12] <magespawn> good morning all
[07:13] <magespawn> mazal can you put all the scripting you use to do all that up on a pastebin or something, i would appreciate it.
[07:13] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[07:14] <magespawn> how are things this saturday Kilos ?
[07:15] <Kilos> ok ty magespawn android be stupid, it cant see a formatted ide drive
[07:16] <magespawn> do they list any restictions on the website?
[07:17] <Kilos> found one that says you must first boot from another os poppy or something and use that insatller
[07:17] <Kilos> plop
[07:17] <Kilos> ? i forget
[07:18] <magespawn> well that could also explain why the iso is small, it might need the underlying os to run
[07:19] <Kilos> it looks for some android drive to install to
[07:20] <Kilos> if i boot from the live cd and plug in a stick with android on it sees it immediately
[07:20] <Kilos> but not the hdd
[07:20] <magespawn> you cant copy the android to the harddrive?
[07:21] <Kilos> im thinking of connecting the drive here through usb adapter and putting it on there with unetbootin
[07:21] <Kilos> nope i tried
[07:22] <magespawn> you can try running it from the usb if you want, i have done that with ubuntu
[07:22] <Kilos> ill find a way around it. just takes lotsa time
[07:22] <Kilos> ya but i dont wanna mess here too much
[07:23] <Kilos> want android apart on other pc
[07:23] <Kilos> got a 40g drive ill use
[07:23] <magespawn> ahh well, we wouldn't want life to be too easy now would we
[07:23] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:24] <mazal> Morning magespawn
[07:24] <mazal> It's so short I can paste here
[07:24] <mazal> Just 2 command
[07:24] <mazal> sssssssssssss
[07:24] <mazal> commandssssssssssssssssssssss
[07:25] <mazal> Shees I spell terrible :P
[07:25] <magespawn> coop mazal
[07:25] <magespawn> lol
[07:25] <magespawn> or type terrible
[07:25] <mazal> That to
[07:25] <mazal> tooooo ai !!
[07:26] <mazal> executable sh file
[07:26] <mazal> !#/bin/bash
[07:26] <Kilos> you okes must go back to school and get your parents money back
[07:26] <mazal> df -h > /home/diskusage,txt
[07:27] <mazal> dot sot txt ag nee man
[07:27] <mazal> df -h > /home/diskusage.txt
[07:27] <mazal> ish
[07:27] <mazal> grrrrrrrrrrrr neee
[07:27] <mazal> let me start AGAIN
[07:27] <mazal> Wat gaan vanmore
[07:27] <mazal> #!/bin/bash
[07:28] <mazal> df -h /home/mazal/diskusage.txt
[07:28] <mazal> gedit /home/mazal/diskusage.txt
[07:28] <mazal> then just add the file to be executed by cron in your crontab for when suits you
[07:28] <magespawn> cool ty
[07:28] <mazal> neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[07:29] <mazal> second one still wrong
[07:29] <magespawn> now what?
[07:29] <magespawn> lol
[07:29] <mazal> df -h > /home/mazal/diskusage.txt
[07:29] <mazal> shorted the >
[07:29] <mazal> So it's
[07:29] <mazal> #!/bin/bash
[07:29] <mazal> df -h > /home/mazal/diskusage.txt
[07:30] <mazal> gedit /home/mazal/diskusage.txt
[07:30] <mazal> yay !!! :-)
[07:30] <Kilos> dont you copy/paste mazal
[07:30] <Kilos> helps lots for spelling mistakes
[07:30] <mazal> Kilos, if I knew I'm gonna type this bad this morning I would have :)
[07:30] <Kilos> lol
[07:31] <mazal> Started last night actually
[07:31] <mazal> Too much what's app me thinks
[07:35] <Kilos> eish i looked at getting whatsapp for here but major job that
[07:36] <Kilos> all the android stuff to install
[07:36] <magespawn> i still tend to try and type properly even with sms style communication
[07:36] <magespawn> if you are going to try and run android anyway, maybe it would work then Kilos
[07:38] <Kilos> yeah ill get it working on other pc sometime then share 3g and use it that way
[07:38] <Kilos> dont wanna mess my buntus
[07:38] <magespawn> mazal i am going to use the script on my laptop only has a 20gig harddrive
[07:38] <magespawn> nice idea Kilos
[07:38] <magespawn> have one or two installs/pc for communication
[07:40] <Kilos> i will first look into what all android can do. that other pc i use for messing with stuff
[07:40] <Kilos> but with whatsapp it already has an advantage
[07:41] <magespawn> i think that is a very cool way to do it
[07:42] <Kilos> i read so much stuff my head is still spinning
[07:42] <Kilos> it seems it sees uefi drives not mbr drives
[07:42] <Kilos> till one has some android stuff there anyway
[07:43] <Squirm[M]> Morning
[07:43] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[07:43] <magespawn> hi Squirm[M]
[07:45] <mazal> Morning Squirm[M]
[07:46] <mazal> Anybody know what ubuntu-geoip does and how important it is ?
[07:49] <mazal> Looks like it's something that resolved incoming ip's to country names
[07:56] <magespawn> no idea mazal
[07:57] <mazal> I found some info , it tells php from which country a visitor is so you can create multi language web sites.
[07:57] <mazal> Now I wonder why is it on my pc. Needs to be on a server
[07:58] <magespawn> localised for each visitor
[07:58] <mazal> Every startup I get the "Ubuntu experienced a critical error" and that app is the cause
[07:58] <magespawn> do they do that by ip or by pulling info from the users pc and/or browser
[07:58] <Squirm[M]> it'll be IP
[07:59] <mazal> By ip , didn't read much. But it seems there is a ip database you add and configure for it
[07:59] <magespawn> if that is all it is doing then it should be safe to remove
[07:59] <Squirm[M]> It's possible to determine which ip is assigned in which country
[07:59] <magespawn> doesn't always work too well though
[08:00] <Squirm[M]> If you google an address, you could even find it
[08:00] <mazal> Gonna remove it
[08:00] <mazal> Hope I don't break anything
[08:00] <magespawn> at one stage whenever i used my cell c the sites thought i was in west africa somewhere
[08:00] <magespawn> one way to find out
[08:02] <mazal> It works with geoclue it seems
[08:02] <mazal> I wonder if any of my apps are using this
[08:03] <mazal> " GeoClue provides applications access to various geographical information
[08:03] <mazal> sources using a D-Bus API or a C library.
[08:03] <mazal> This package provides a positioning backend for GeoClue.
[08:03] <mazal> It uses the IP geolocation database (http://geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup)"
[08:20] <Kilos> hi AndChat-503424
[08:20] <Kilos> magespawn, inetbootin dont see a hdd in a usb bridge
[08:21]  * Kilos cries
[08:22] <Kilos> haha its you Squirm
[08:24] <Kilos> it wants to see usb flash not a hdd on a bridge
[08:30] <Squirm> meh
[08:30] <Squirm> went out onto the field, so wifi was on and off
[08:31] <Squirm> crashed my R/C plane :/
[08:31] <Squirm> apoxy should work though
[08:31] <Squirm> I'm annoyed
[08:31] <Kilos> ouch, damaged?
[08:32] <Kilos> bad?
[08:32] <Squirm> doesn't seem that bad
[08:32] <Squirm> like I said, apoxy should work
[08:32] <Squirm> ...I hope
[08:33] <Kilos> eish
[08:33] <Kilos> go win that chopper and nexus
[08:33] <Kilos> you have the chopper ill have the nexus
[08:39] <Squirm> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-r0gtkzUiGJs/UWbAduPS5zI/AAAAAAAAAVc/cN_37sGlMCE/w872-h654-no/20130327_170810.jpg
[08:46] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:46] <Kilos> hate it when using usbs it kills my 3g
[08:56]  * mazal fiddles
[08:56] <Kilos> hmm... installing from 2g flash onto a 4g flash
[08:58] <Kilos> failed to create data.image
[08:58] <Kilos> grrr
[08:58] <mazal> You installing Ubuntu to a flash drive Kilos ?
[08:58] <Kilos> no android-x86
[08:59] <Kilos> trying anyway
[08:59] <Kilos> eish now it says warning--not an asus product
[08:59] <Kilos> sigh
[09:00] <mazal> Sounds challenging
[09:00] <Kilos> yeah
[09:01] <Kilos> 3 days struggling
[09:01] <mazal> I'm in the mood for something new on that spare partition , but dunno what
[09:01] <mazal> Used K , X and L before. Want to play with something else
[09:01] <Kilos> try android for pc
[09:01] <Kilos> hehe
[09:01] <mazal> Nooooooooo
[09:02] <mazal> Ek willie sukkel nie , ek wil speel :)
[09:02] <Kilos> lol
[09:03] <Kilos> ill work it out then tell you how
[09:03] <mazal> Do they give it for free ?
[09:03] <Kilos> ya its linux
[09:04] <mazal> Then why did so many phone manufacturers blame their high prices on " Cos it has Android "
[09:04] <Kilos> maybe the further developement or just because peeps are money mad
[09:04] <magespawn> android as far as i know has always been foss
[09:05] <magespawn> they do not need to develope it any further, they get a os that they customise to their hardware for nothing
[09:05] <mazal> Gmf , just shows you
[09:06] <mazal> Is it this site Kilos http://www.android-x86.org/ ?
[09:06] <Kilos> sec ill look
[09:06] <Kilos> actually wait
[09:08] <Kilos> i had a page with lotsa info and links
[09:08] <mazal> LOL I love yhis statement on that site " If you are lucky, the installation will begin, and you will see the progress bar. "
[09:09] <mazal> Oops I see it can't install on a drive with another os
[09:09] <Kilos> ya they say it can
[09:09] <mazal> Or yes you can , but then have to add them manually in grub
[09:11] <mazal> Hmm , this will be nice toy for a seperate hard drive. Or stick like you are doing
[09:12] <Kilos> this was one place i looked
[09:12] <Kilos> for if it dont see hdd
[09:12] <Kilos> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=86514&sid=b293ac1a004cc7772ec019b11a055b13
[09:13] <mazal> It looks like it only supports certain laptops and motherboards though
[09:13] <mazal> The iso's even contain the manufacturer names
[09:13] <Kilos> it seems to love usb goodies
[09:14] <Kilos> there is a smaller iso that dont have the asus in
[09:14] <Kilos> 76m or something
[09:14] <Kilos> the asus one is 186m
[09:16] <Kilos> let me know if you find one without a manufacturers name in
[09:18] <mazal> I found one , but it's in the development section
[09:19] <mazal> android-x86-4.2-20130228.iso
[09:19] <Kilos> size?
[09:19] <mazal> Found that one
[09:19] <mazal> Dunno if it means anything to you
[09:20] <mazal> 196mb
[09:20] <Kilos> ya no manufacturers name in
[09:20] <Kilos> ill get it tonight if i can stay awake ty
[09:20] <Kilos> whats the link
[09:20] <mazal> https://android-x86.googlecode.com/files/android-x86-4.2-20130228.iso
[09:21] <Kilos> ty
[09:21] <mazal> I just saw it's the same link the guy in that post you refered has
[09:21] <magespawn> maybe you need a generic
[09:22] <Kilos> whats that
[09:22] <mazal> I'm downloading it and gonna boot it live cd and see what happens
[09:23] <Kilos> ok
[09:23] <mazal> You get error complaining about manufacturer ne ?
[09:23] <magespawn> well i would assume the ones with a manufacturers name in it has been customised for those machines
[09:24] <Kilos> we need to find a plain one
[09:25] <Kilos> might even work if you have a touch screeen
[09:32] <mazal> We'll see what this dev one does
[09:33] <mazal> My pc mos seems very tempremental
[09:33] <Kilos> http://code.google.com/p/android-x86/downloads/
[09:33] <Kilos> whats that
[09:33] <Kilos> maybe there is one not specific to any pc make
[09:33] <mazal> That's where that one is lying that I gave you the link off
[09:34] <mazal> And description just say " live and installation "
[09:34] <mazal> Doesn't mention a manufacturer
[09:34] <Kilos> eish we gotta find one not for asus
[09:34] <mazal> Hang on oom , that one is downloading here
[09:35] <Kilos> ok
[09:35] <mazal> ETA 17 min , then gonna burn and boot
[09:40] <Kilos> lets hope
[09:43] <Kilos> the asus one is just a waste of dat
[09:43] <Kilos> grrr
[09:43] <mazal> 7min
[09:51] <mazal> burning
[09:51] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:52] <mazal> It's 197mb sorry , not 196
[09:52] <Kilos> np
[09:52] <Kilos> what you burn with?
[09:52] <mazal> Brasero
[09:52] <Kilos> i prefer k3b
[09:53] <mazal> I use k3b for data
[09:53] <Kilos> was a reason for it a while back but i forgot what
[09:53] <mazal> Brasero mess up data disks , but is fine for iso's
[09:53] <Kilos> verify function maybe
[09:54] <Kilos> and it makes them smaller i think
[09:54] <mazal> Smaller ?
[09:54] <Kilos> ya less data
[09:54] <mazal> Ok , I'm booting ;)
[09:55] <Kilos> i wanted to burn an iso to cd and brasero said cd too small and k3b worked
[09:55] <mazal> Will report back
[09:55] <Kilos> ok
[09:59] <magespawn> i wonder if he will get back here on the android
[09:59] <Kilos> lol
[09:59] <Kilos> andchat is the built in irc client
[10:00] <magespawn> would be cool to have one interface across all devices
[10:01] <magespawn> gotta go out bbl
[10:01] <Kilos> yeah
[10:03] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[10:05] <mazal> Doesn't work Kilos
[10:06] <mazal> Just hangs
[10:06] <Kilos> aw same thing??
[10:06] <Kilos> oh my
[10:06] <mazal> Comes up with the cd menu , I chose live mode. Decompressing kernel and then nothing further
[10:06] <Kilos> try that other installer
[10:06] <mazal> Tried again and chose live mode vesa , same result
[10:06] <Kilos> thats when it doesnt see the hdd
[10:07] <mazal> You want me to see if I put it on usb stick and boot usb ?
[10:07] <Kilos> the minute i plug in a stick it sees it
[10:07] <Xethron> Hello Kilos
[10:11] <Kilos> we onna android mission
[10:11] <mazal> Putting the iso on usb now
[10:11] <mazal> Then gonna try booting with that
[10:12] <Kilos> enetbootin?
[10:12] <Kilos> unetbootin
[10:12] <mazal> unetbootin
[10:12] <mazal> ya
[10:12] <Kilos> ah
[10:12] <mazal> Ok done
[10:12] <mazal> Rebooting
[10:21] <mazal> Nope
[10:21] <mazal> Same thing , just hangs
[10:21] <mazal> On both live mode and live vesa mode
[10:21] <mazal> So decided to try the install
[10:22] <Kilos> thats what i did but it says warning not an asus goodie
[10:22] <mazal> Install went through successfully to another usb stick. But upon rebooting just get the error no operating system
[10:22] <Kilos> maybe bad download
[10:22] <mazal> No asus warnings though
[10:22] <mazal> Or any other manufacturer warnings
[10:22] <Kilos> you need to tell bios to boot from usb
[10:23] <Kilos> when you got big downloads use wget
[10:23] <mazal> Ya I know
[10:23] <Kilos> as in wget https://android-x86.googlecode.com/files/android-x86-4.2-20130228.iso
[10:23] <Kilos> if your net drops y6ou use wget -c to continue
[10:23] <Kilos> ah
[10:24] <mazal> I think is a matter of thei installer not installing grub correctly
[10:24] <Kilos> i tried that link with browser and at 5meg it started over
[10:24] <Kilos> grrr
[10:24] <mazal> Gonna try once more with a different usb
[10:24] <mazal> Just to make sure it's not the stick
[10:35] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[10:36] <nlsthzn> hello uncle Kilos , how r u?
[10:36] <Kilos> ok ty nlsthzn and you
[10:36] <nlsthzn> ok... looking forward to the game tonight...
[10:36] <Kilos> yeah
[10:36] <Kilos> go sharks
[10:37] <Kilos> hehe
[10:37] <nlsthzn> lol
[10:38] <nlsthzn> lets hope not :p
[10:38] <mazal> Doesn't work Kilos
[10:38] <Kilos> haha
[10:38] <mazal> Installer runs through fine , even sees all my inter drives
[10:38] <Kilos> mazal, i get that iso as 206 meg
[10:38] <mazal> But upon rebooting , operating system missing
[10:38] <mazal> Their stuff just don't work
[10:38] <mazal> Or don't want to be installed to usb
[10:39] <mazal> In nautilus it's 206.6 yes
[10:39] <Kilos> you dont have the full iso mazal
[10:39] <Kilos> oh
[10:40] <mazal> Remember ubuntu shows the different varient of size
[10:40] <Kilos> eish well im gonna try it now
[10:40] <mazal> I dunno if one will have better luck installing to hdd
[10:41] <Kilos> try
[10:41] <mazal> But then your current grub will be gone
[10:41] <Kilos> it might just update it who knows
[10:41] <mazal> Don't want it to mess with that
[10:41] <Kilos> not on working drive no
[10:42] <mazal> No they specifically say it installs grub only for android not for any other os on the drive
[10:42] <Kilos> it should ask if you wanna install grub and you tick skip
[10:42] <mazal> But from what I see , their grub install fails completely
[10:43] <mazal> The stick has the android data after install , but won't boot. Doesn't see there is an os
[10:45] <mazal> There is something it MIGHT be though
[10:45] <mazal> But don't have time to test now
[10:46] <mazal> It might be that it uses dev names and when rebooting and removing the "iso usb" the one that remains have different dev name
[10:47] <Kilos> yeah /dev/sde1 here
[10:52] <mazal> Will test when I have time , visitors here now. Gonna install from cd so that dev name don't change
[11:08] <Squirm> meh
[11:08] <Squirm> fixed it up
[11:08] <Squirm> 1s flight time and a crash :/
[11:09] <Kilos> ai!
[11:37] <Kilos> mazal, http://www.android-x86.org/documents/installhowto
[11:46] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[11:46] <theblazehen> hi kilos
[12:40] <mazal> Kilos , neewat dit werk nie
[12:40] <Kilos> i get as far as run
[12:40] <mazal> Their grub install doesn't work
[12:40] <Kilos> but it dont run
[12:41] <mazal> Same here , if I choose to run it immediately after install it just hangs
[12:41] <mazal> When booting doesn't see the os
[12:41] <Kilos> than i get only a flashing - on a black screen
[12:41] <Kilos> grrr
[12:42] <mazal> They have a lot of work still to make it work
[12:42] <Kilos> yeah looks like
[12:42] <Kilos> but some of them have it working on pcs
[12:42] <Kilos> thatgreameguy got it running in virtual box
[12:45] <magespawn> ah well, we wouldn't want life to be too easy now, would we?
[12:45] <Kilos> lol
[12:49] <mazal> Maybe it only wants to run of sda1 , I dunno
[12:49] <mazal> But the fact that the live cd doesn't even start is already not a good sign
[12:51] <mazal> magespawn, I see crontab doesn't allow gedit to run
[12:51] <mazal> For some reason
[12:51] <Kilos> i think it only sees guid not mbr drives
[12:52] <mazal> That script was set for 13:30 with me , the file is created but gedit never opened
[12:52] <mazal> But if works when running the script manually
[12:56] <magespawn> wonder why?
[13:10] <magespawn> let me google
[13:11] <superfly> mazal: users and x servers
[13:11] <superfly> mazal: press Ctrl+Alt+F2 and login there. then try running your command
[13:13] <mazal> magespawn, I think I found why
[13:14] <mazal> The terminal that invokes gedit are holding it , so when you close the terminal gedit also closes
[13:14] <mazal> Tested it running manually and that's exactly what happens
[13:14] <mazal> So my thinking , when cron runs it , no terminal is open so gedit immediately closes again
[13:14] <mazal> I added & disown at the end of the gedit line
[13:15] <mazal> Now when I run it manually and close the terminal it stays open
[13:15] <mazal> Will see if that helps for when cron runs it
[13:16] <mazal> superfly, it runs fine in a terminal in the unity desktop and creates the file , it just doesn't keep gedit open when cron runs it
[13:17] <superfly> mazal: there's a huge difference between the terminal in Unity and running from cron
[13:17] <mazal> That's what I'm trying to figure out superfly
[13:17] <superfly> mazal: which is why I told you to switch to a tty (Ctrl+Alt+F2) and then run it
[13:18] <mazal> I don't want to run it manually
[13:18] <superfly> and why are you running gedit from cron?!
[13:18] <mazal> That way I will always have to run manually
[13:18] <magespawn> how do you get back from tty?
[13:18] <superfly> mazal: yes, but you'll never discover what the problem is unless you use the same environment as cron
[13:18] <superfly> in other words, Ctrl+Alt+F2
[13:18] <superfly> magespawn: Ctrl+Alt+F7
[13:18] <mazal> ok
[13:18] <magespawn> cool
[13:18] <superfly> the GUI is just another tty
[13:18] <magespawn> like learning new things
[13:20] <mazal> There it doesn't work at all as there is no display
[13:20] <mazal> Will just wait for 15:30 and see , think it might work now
[13:21] <magespawn> how often have you set it to run mazal?
[13:22] <mazal> superfly, is just a small little 2 command script that gives my disk usage. And the very reason I want it to run automatically is so that I don't forget to run it. Then the second thing is it must get my attention , that's the reason for gedit having to pop up and open the file that was generated
[13:22] <mazal> I can't think of another way for it to get my attention
[13:24] <mazal> magespawn, twice a day
[13:25] <mazal> And an extra test one for 15:30 just too see now
[13:27] <magespawn> will it right to the same file everytime?
[13:27] <magespawn> write
[13:27] <mazal> Yes , it overwrites it
[13:28] <magespawn> i suppose it would be possible to have it do it when the disk usage gets up to a certain number too
[13:29] <mazal> It will , but I don't have the scripting knowledge for that
[13:30] <mazal> Still don't work :(
[13:38] <mazal> Yes it works !!!
[13:38] <mazal> You have to tell cron on which screen to run it :)
[13:43] <mazal> magespawn, you just need to add DISPLAY=:0 to your cron job line , for example :
[13:43] <mazal> 42 15 * * * DISPLAY=:0 /home/mazal/Documents/Linux_Jobs/diskusage.sh
[13:49] <magespawn> cool beans
[13:51] <magespawn> just the DISPLAY=:0 or the whole line
[13:51] <magespawn> ?
[13:52] <mazal> 42 15 * * * /home/mazal/Documents/Linux_Jobs/diskusage.sh
[13:52] <magespawn> right
[13:52] <mazal> That's the cron line the way it was and not working
[13:52] <mazal> So cron don't know "where" to invoke the gui app
[13:52] <mazal> 42 15 * * * DISPLAY=:0 /home/mazal/Documents/Linux_Jobs/diskusage.sh
[13:53] <mazal> That's the one that works , after the time and days it must run you tell cron where it must open it
[13:55] <mazal> Onbiously you set the first five columns to your own needs
[13:55] <mazal> as well as the path to the script
[13:59] <magespawn> okay i know nothing about cron at all so i will need to do some reading first
[14:00] <mazal> Oh ok
[14:00] <mazal> Is easy for straight forward tasks , but can also be setup for more complicated times
[14:01] <mazal> Can give you a quick explanation of mine if you want ?
[14:01] <magespawn> okay
[14:02] <mazal> You edit your cron file in terminal with the command crontab -e
[14:02] <mazal> You list your current entries with crontab -l
[14:02] <mazal> Basically you just add one line for every job that cron must run for you
[14:03] <mazal> The basic format is very simple
[14:03] <mazal> # m h  dom mon dow   command
[14:03] <mazal> 00 13 * * * /home/mazal/backupmain.sh
[14:03] <mazal> 15 20 * * * /home/mazal/backupmain.sh
[14:03] <mazal> 30 13 * * * DISPLAY=:0 /home/mazal/Documents/Linux_Jobs/diskusage.sh
[14:03] <mazal> 30 20 * * * DISPLAY=:0 /home/mazal/Documents/Linux_Jobs/diskusage.sh
[14:03] <mazal> That's how mine looks.
[14:03] <mazal> First column is the minute value , then hour value , then day of month , then month , then day of week , then the actual command
[14:03] <magespawn> okay i understand
[14:04] <magespawn> stars are place holders?
[14:04] <mazal> Stars mean all
[14:04] <mazal> So if you look at my first one for example
[14:04] <magespawn> so every day/month etc
[14:04] <mazal> at 13:00 , of every day of every month of every weekday that command runs
[14:04] <mazal> three stars basically means every day
[14:05] <mazal> Second one is 20:15 every day
[14:05] <mazal> Only thing that can catch you out sometimes is the minute value that comes first
[14:05] <mazal> So you use command crontab -e
[14:06] <mazal> Mine I chose nano as default editor , you add your lines. Save and exit
[14:06] <magespawn> right
[14:06] <mazal> Then you can list with crontab -l to make sure everything is ok
[14:06] <mazal> And that's it
[14:06] <magespawn> awesome
[14:06] <mazal> Those first 5 columns you can actually create very specific times and day combinations
[14:07] <magespawn> and you can use it to run any executable bash file?
[14:07] <mazal> You can run any command
[14:07] <mazal> Or executable bash file
[14:08] <mazal> If you want it to run just a command you can just put the command in there
[14:08] <mazal> For example if I wanted to just create the diskusage file and not have any other commands I could replace
[14:08] <mazal> 30 13 * * * DISPLAY=:0 /home/mazal/Documents/Linux_Jobs/diskusage.sh
[14:08] <mazal> with this
[14:09] <mazal> 30 13 * * * df -h > ~/diskusage.txt
[14:09] <mazal> But because there is multiple command for that specific task I prefer a executable script file
[14:10] <magespawn> okay so this takes care of the automatic display of the file that the diskusage.sh creates?
[14:10] <mazal> That DISPLAY=:0 does
[14:11] <mazal> So cron knows on which display to start the gui app that is called in the sh file
[14:11] <magespawn> and the rest then runs the diskusage.sh?
[14:11] <mazal> Yep
[14:11] <magespawn> cool beans
[14:11] <mazal> The display part is not neccesary for command or script that doesn't include gui apps
[14:12] <Kilos> mazal, go whatch this how to
[14:12] <magespawn> i think this is something worth exploring
[14:12] <Kilos> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/03/how-to-dual-boot-android-x86-and-ubuntu.html
[14:12] <mazal> Like my two backups that run you will see I left it out
[14:12] <Kilos> it uses old grub
[14:12] <magespawn> can make a lot of things automatic
[14:12] <mazal> You can play a lot with it , cron is very powerful scheduler
[14:12] <mazal> For example let's say I want to run my backups every hour
[14:12] <mazal> I will replace this
[14:13] <mazal> 00 13 * * * /home/mazal/backupmain.sh
[14:13] <mazal> With this
[14:13] <mazal> 00 * * * * /home/mazal/backupmain.sh
[14:13] <mazal> Now I added star to the hour value as well
[14:13] <mazal> So every 00 minute value of every hour that command is gonna run
[14:13] <mazal> And in this case the command is a sh script being executed
[14:14] <magespawn> very useful
[14:14] <mazal> or
[14:14] <mazal> Let's say it must run only on every 10th of the month
[14:14] <mazal> I would replace this
[14:14] <mazal> 00 13 * * * /home/mazal/backupmain.sh
[14:14] <mazal> with this
[14:15] <mazal> 00 13 10 * * /home/mazal/backupmain.sh
[14:15] <mazal> Now it will run at 13:00 only on the 10th of every month
[14:15] <mazal> And so you can use the day of week and month options and create a very advanced cron with load of commands if you want
[14:17] <magespawn> very useful
[14:17] <mazal> Mostly though , although cron can run or launch any app theoretically it is mostly for command and scripts that do tasks in cli
[14:17] <magespawn> i have to go and get my fish from a play date, bbl, ty for the lesson mazal
[14:18] <mazal> As it is difficult to automate gui tasks
[14:18] <mazal> Plz , hope it helped ;)
[14:20] <mazal> Kilos , interesting
[14:23] <Kilos> maybe android must update to grub2
[14:34] <superfly> mazal: there are a plathora of ways to get your attention
[14:34] <superfly> like e-mails
[14:34] <superfly> or notifyd notifications
[14:35] <superfly> dbus is awesome for that kind of stuff
[14:35] <inetpro> good afternoon
[14:37] <inetpro> with Kubuntu you even have widgets that can show you stuff like network, cpu and other utilisation
[14:37] <inetpro> and there's even something for your hard drives as well
[14:38] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[14:38] <inetpro> ello Kilos
[14:39] <mazal> superfly, I tough of using email , but didn't want it to be dependent on Inet
[14:39] <mazal> The others you mention I will be glad to learn about , that know those
[14:39] <mazal> Lo inetpro
[14:40] <mazal> And Xethron
[14:41] <inetpro> hi mazal
[14:44] <inetpro> superfly: have you tried instant server yet? http://instantserver.io/
[14:45]  * inetpro thought it could be useful for superfly or any other developer for testing
[14:45] <superfly> inetpro:
[14:45] <superfly> no
[15:09] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[15:09] <Cantide> hello :)
[15:23] <Kilos> i wonder if alien can convert android files to .deb
[16:11] <Cantide> i doubt that..
[16:11] <Cantide> android uses some evil things
[16:12] <Kilos> hehe ya they dont work
[16:15] <Cantide> :p
[16:38] <kbmonkey> hello all
[16:58] <Cantide> hi '-'/
[16:58] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[16:59] <kbmonkey> o\
[16:59] <kbmonkey> o/
[17:00] <kbmonkey> windows supports real multitasing. it can boot and crash at the same time.
[17:01] <Cantide> lol
[17:01] <Kilos> rofl
[17:09] <Kilos> hi roryy
[17:10] <roryy> hey Kilos
[17:10] <roryy> how goes?
[17:10] <Kilos> hey kbmonkey when you are bored with nothing to do try get android-x86 working onna pc
[17:10] <roryy> i at last have a new laptop
[17:10] <Kilos> good ty roryy and you?
[17:10] <Kilos> great
[17:17] <kbmonkey> hey Kilos I am never bored with nothing to do ;) but why would I want to run android on a pc?
[17:17] <kbmonkey> I already have Android running in an emulator
[17:17] <Kilos> because you can
[17:17] <Kilos> oh
[17:17] <kbmonkey> yeah, it comes with the google android development kit
[17:18] <Kilos> does the os install into the emulator?
[17:18] <kbmonkey> so you can run your programs on android for testing he he
[17:18] <kbmonkey> well yeah, but you don't install anything, it comes as a ROM. you just boot it up.
[17:19] <Kilos> and it looks like the android tablets?
[17:19] <kbmonkey> similar to phones, you flash a ROM onto the phone's chips, you don't have an installer like we know in linux
[17:19] <kbmonkey> yup. it is one and the same used on phones. but slow as hell.
[17:19] <Kilos> ah
[17:20] <kbmonkey> so I plug my phone in usb and run my apps directly on my phone instead, because it is too slow in the emulator XD
[17:20] <Kilos> ok
[17:21] <Kilos> so if i plug a tablet in here will it be able to use my 3g?
[17:21] <Kilos> tried with wifi router but major job
[17:21] <kbmonkey> the interesting thing is you can install other apps you may think is malicious, and kinda see what they do. then you can reset the emulator and everything goes back to normal
[17:22] <kbmonkey> you want the tablet to use your 8ta internet?
[17:22] <Kilos> ya
[17:22] <kbmonkey> no, you can't do that. you have to put the sim card in the tablet (if it has a sim card slot)
[17:23] <kbmonkey> or, you have to create a wireless network on your pc that the tablet can connect to.
[17:23] <Kilos> no sim in this tablet thats why we tried the wifi route
[17:23] <kbmonkey> yup, does your pc have a wifi card Kilos ?
[17:23] <Kilos> no i bought a router
[17:24] <Kilos> but it dont see my arab modem
[17:24] <kbmonkey> ah, yes that would work too XD
[17:24] <kbmonkey> you don't see the modem where?
[17:24] <Kilos> so gotta make pc share 3g
[17:24] <kbmonkey> from the tablet?
[17:24] <Kilos> grrr
[17:24] <Kilos> tablet dont see modem
[17:25] <kbmonkey> yup, the tablet wont see the modem. you set up your pc to share its internet through your router, so anything connecting to the router will get internet
[17:25] <kbmonkey> I have never done this myself, so I can have a look around for you if you like
[17:25] <Kilos> ya
[17:25] <Kilos> np
[17:25] <kbmonkey> :)
[17:26] <Kilos> tablet can rest
[17:26] <Kilos> its sisters toy
[17:26] <kbmonkey> thumbs up
[17:26] <kbmonkey> hey you are getting very techno-geek on us Kilos!
[17:26] <Kilos> na man it was to help sis
[17:27] <Kilos> tablets connects fine to router
[17:27] <kbmonkey> and the router connects to your pc with the cable hey
[17:27] <Kilos> yip
[17:27] <Kilos> will be something with masquerading
[17:28] <kbmonkey> well, I remember I tried that before but got stuck as my specific router could not share any cable-connected computers with any wireles-connected ones (if that makes sense)
[17:28] <Kilos> but it caused a crash here when i followed some links instructions so now it can rest
[17:28] <kbmonkey> but we can try :)
[17:29] <kbmonkey> sure
[17:29] <kbmonkey> the best place to start would be - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
[17:29] <Kilos> i can even drag drop stuff to the tablet
[17:29] <kbmonkey> that has everything you should need
[17:29] <kbmonkey> really? over the wifi? that is very neat :)
[17:29] <Kilos> all we could find was using the router or fone as the 3g connection
[17:29] <Kilos> this is backward
[17:30] <kbmonkey> yar :(
[17:30] <Kilos> hehe
[17:30] <kbmonkey> is it a adsl router too? i.e. it has a plug for a land line too?
[17:31] <Kilos> ya adsl and 3g
[17:31] <kbmonkey> hang on.. the router can take a sim card too?!
[17:31] <Kilos> and 4 eth sockets
[17:31] <Kilos> no it has a usb at the back for the modem
[17:32] <kbmonkey> oh my, these gadgets are getting so fancy!
[17:32] <Kilos> yeah
[17:32] <kbmonkey> okay in that case you might not have the problem I had XD
[17:32] <kbmonkey> because you do not need to set up internet sharing on your pc: why would you? it gets internet from the router
[17:34] <Kilos> no man
[17:34] <Kilos> the billion router dont support my arab modem
[17:34] <kbmonkey> no man it should. do you have a PIN on the simcard?
[17:34] <kbmonkey> do you have to enter a PIN when you connect it?
[17:35] <Kilos> doesnt support many 3g modems
[17:35] <kbmonkey> oh :(
[17:35] <Kilos> no pin
[17:35] <kbmonkey> modems should all support the RFC standard so that they are compliant
[17:36] <kbmonkey> but we know how these things go.. lol
[17:36] <Kilos> it doesnt even see when modem plugged in but sees when cell is plugged in
[17:36] <Kilos> yeah
[18:54] <SilverCode> YAY! I finally have a reason to have spent R7600 on a PC upgrade
[18:54] <Kilos> whew
[18:54] <SilverCode> KDE PIM compiles in about 5 minutes
[18:54] <Kilos> great
[18:55] <SilverCode> small victory I know, especially since I'm compiling KDE PIM on a Saturday night
[18:55] <SilverCode> but at least I don't have that empty hollowness of wondering why I spend so much on an upgrade that I have no use for
[18:55] <SilverCode> well, for the next hour at least
[18:55] <SilverCode> them the buyers remorse will kick back in
[18:56] <SilverCode> *then
[18:56] <Kilos> eina price hey
[18:56] <SilverCode> yeah, but to be fair, I have been putting it off for about 5 years
[18:56] <Kilos> but look at it like its not a 1/4 of what andrew spent on his
[18:57] <Kilos> his graphics card cost more
[18:57] <Kilos> so you did well
[18:57] <SilverCode> heh, I still haven't bought the graphics card :)
[18:57] <SilverCode> I'm buying the PC in phases, to make it less painful
[18:57] <Kilos> lol
[18:57] <SilverCode> first it was the pwoer supply and case
[18:57] <Kilos> what did you get?
[18:58] <SilverCode> then 2 months later the CPU, Mobo and RAM
[18:58] <SilverCode> next the graphics card
[18:58] <Kilos> you building a quad core
[18:58] <Kilos> i7
[18:58] <SilverCode> got a Core i7 Haswell 4770k
[18:58] <Kilos> cool
[18:58] <SilverCode> 16GB RAM
[18:58] <Kilos> lekker
[18:58] <SilverCode> 2 SSD's (old ones though)
[18:59] <Kilos> no matter as long as they work
[18:59] <SilverCode> I keep sitting here thinking though, "Why the hell am I doing this?"
[19:00] <SilverCode> I don't really play games, so I can't use that excuse
[19:00] <Kilos> lol
[19:00] <Kilos> speed is lekker man
[19:00] <Kilos> thats enough excuse
[19:01] <SilverCode> it is, but when 3/4 of your cores are idling at 800MHz 90% of the time, you really have to wonder if you just bought it for bragging rights
[19:01] <SilverCode> ...which I might have done...
[19:02] <Kilos> lol
[19:02] <SilverCode> on the other hand, not what I can compile things quicker, I might be more inclined to fix bugs instead of just report them
[19:02] <Kilos> good
[19:03] <Kilos> you cant brag with 16g ram
[19:03] <SilverCode> (another lie I tell myself to help me sleep at night)
[19:03] <Kilos> andrew has 68g
[19:03] <Kilos> sleep lekker man you did well
[19:03] <SilverCode> wow, I didn't even think you could get a mobo that supports 68GB
[19:04] <Kilos> next time he is here ask him
[19:04] <SilverCode> will do
[19:04] <SilverCode> because I would love to know what people do with 68GB ram
[19:04] <SilverCode> I used to use a 60GB SSD
[19:04] <SilverCode> took about 2 years to fill up
[19:05] <SilverCode> (all "DVD backups" were on a normal HDD)
[19:05] <SilverCode> so no idea what you would need 64GB RAM for
[19:06] <Kilos> hehe
[19:06] <SilverCode> although if you could get a laptop that had a 64GB SSD and 64GB ram, and just transferred the currect state between the two on shutdown and power on
[19:07] <SilverCode> that would be worth it
[19:07] <Kilos> hehe
[19:08] <SilverCode> could probably achieve a 2s powerdown and powerup time
[19:08] <SilverCode> like an awesome suspend
[19:08] <Kilos> he does weird stuff but he crashed it coupla days ago from kenya or somewhere
[19:09] <Kilos> thats why he is offline
[19:23] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[22:13] <kbmonkey> hello
[22:30] <Vince-0> is this any time to make an appearance!
[22:31] <Vince-0> lolz, im off to bed
[22:31] <kbmonkey> lolz
[22:32] <kbmonkey> I just had a nap :p
[22:38] <Xethron> hehe
[22:38] <Xethron> I think I should do the nap thing too
[22:38] <kbmonkey> yar it helps, Ima try get coding again now
[23:13] <Xethron> haha
[23:13] <Xethron> kbmonkey: what you coding?
[23:13] <Xethron> Language I mean
[23:13] <kbmonkey> I am playing in python hey
[23:14] <Xethron> Nice language
[23:14] <kbmonkey> a nice change from all those semicolons!
[23:15] <kbmonkey> also learning processing, made tictactoe, lol
[23:15] <kbmonkey> http://darknet.co.za/tictactoe/
[23:15] <kbmonkey> while I was waiting on a download
[23:16] <Xethron> haha
[23:16] <Xethron> I'm a PHP guy
[23:16] <kbmonkey> lots of people hate that. truth is majority of the web runs on php, and I use it for my blog engine too
[23:17] <kbmonkey> its not all bad :)
[23:17] <Xethron> WOOT!!!
[23:17] <Xethron> I won a cookie :D
[23:17] <kbmonkey> LOL
[23:17] <Xethron> I won another one :D
[23:18] <kbmonkey> the ai is only intermediate. it wont take advantage of winning moves.
[23:18] <Xethron> :/
[23:19] <Xethron> 4 wins 0 losses :D
[23:19] <kbmonkey> nice!
[23:20] <kbmonkey> I'm loving this cmatrix app lately - cli matrix like effect XD
[23:22] <Xethron> hehe, cool
[23:25] <kbmonkey> hello space
[23:27] <Xethron> Whats Processing?
[23:27] <Xethron> js library?
[23:27] <kbmonkey> see processing.org, it's a framework that leverages java or javascript.
[23:28] <kbmonkey> I can flip a switch and build that code for android too :D
[23:28] <kbmonkey> it is HTML5
[23:28] <Xethron> sweet
[23:28] <Xethron> There is just too much to learn!
[23:29] <kbmonkey> totally. I am doing a class on coursera.org on processing at the moment
[23:29] <Xethron> Wish I could just install them all into my brain and know what to do when
[23:30] <kbmonkey> it integrates with the google android adk
[23:30] <kbmonkey> and I am starting a course in linear algebra. just too much to learn :/
[23:31] <kbmonkey> I suck at math, big time
[23:34] <Xethron> haha
[23:34] <Xethron> I love Math :D
[23:34] <Xethron> Ok, but I'm off
[23:34] <Xethron> Need my beauty sleep
[23:34] <Xethron> Programmers need to always look their best
[23:41] <kbmonkey> gn :)


[01:04] <A4_322> hi, I seem to be having a problem with disk partitioning
[01:05] <A4_322> I installed Ubuntu Studio, but when I booted Windows 7, it said it couldn't use the empty disk space because the partion was in the wrong style... GPT I think it was
[01:05] <A4_322> so I did it over again, and put Windows on first
[01:06] <A4_322> but... linux couldn't find the windows partition, it treated it like an unpartitioned disk
[01:06] <A4_322> Any advice?
[01:08] <holstein> ey A4_322
[01:08] <A4_322> ?
[01:08] <holstein> hey*
[01:08] <A4_322> hi, can you help me with this?
[01:09]  * holstein looking
[01:09] <holstein> SO...
[01:09] <holstein> you had win 7 installed
[01:09] <holstein> you installed buntu
[01:09] <holstein> and what?
[01:09] <A4_322> ubuntu didn't find the windows partition
[01:09] <holstein> when?
[01:09] <holstein> during the install?
[01:09] <A4_322> when I was telling it where to install it to, yeah
[01:10] <holstein> is that a problem?
[01:10] <holstein> ubuntu didnt give you a grub entry for win?
[01:10] <A4_322> well... yeah. If I re-write the partition table, windows (and my other partitions dissapear)
[01:10] <A4_322> and no, it didn't
[01:10] <A4_322> oh, be right back
[01:11] <holstein> A4_322: i would boot a live CD
[01:11] <holstein> and look at the partitions in gparted
[01:12] <holstein> maybe use that live installer
[01:12] <holstein> seems to be a little more friendly
[01:12] <holstein> you can make that install ubuntustudio
[01:12] <holstein> !vanilla
[01:12] <holstein> ubuntu = ubuntustudio
[01:12] <A4_322> hmm.. does ubuntu studio have a live install?
[01:13] <holstein> no
[01:13] <A4_322> oh... sorry
[01:13] <A4_322> I didn't realize what "vanilla" meant
[01:13] <holstein> only the alternate style installer
[01:13] <holstein> yeah, you can just add whatever you want to the normal vanilla one
[01:13] <A4_322> okay
[01:13] <holstein> *assuming* this help you get your issue resovled
[01:14] <holstein> i would make sure i have all my data in place
[01:14] <A4_322> ok, thanks for your help, I'll try it
[01:14] <holstein> and images made if needed
[01:14] <holstein> maybe with clonezilla or something
[01:14] <A4_322> this is a brand new PC
[01:14] <holstein> ive never been all that worried about losing a windows partition though ;)
[01:14] <A4_322> I literally have nothing to lose
[01:14] <holstein> AH
[01:14] <holstein> good
[01:14] <holstein> did it come with a CD ?
[01:15] <holstein> a restore disc?
[01:15] <A4_322> no, it's a custom build
[01:15] <holstein> cool
[01:15] <holstein> so you just have a win 7 disc then
[01:15] <A4_322> I'd like to install Windows XP, Windows 7, and Ubuntu studio on it
[01:15] <A4_322> I have a disc of each
[01:15] <holstein> you'll sort it out then
[01:15] <A4_322> I hope so =)
[01:15] <holstein> it gets hairy when you need to preserve a backup partition
[01:15] <holstein> from a vendor
[01:15] <holstein> nah
[01:16] <holstein> you can totally bork that
[01:16] <A4_322> bork?
[01:16] <holstein> and your just out the time you spent
[01:16] <holstein> bork = screw it all up
[01:16] <A4_322> yeah... I already screwed it up twice
[01:16] <holstein> you want to do the win installs first
[01:16] <A4_322> but no harm done... reformat the hard drive and start again
[01:16] <holstein> and i would leave the space for ubuntu
[01:17] <A4_322> I already installed ubuntu studio, should I take it off (for the third time argh)
[01:17] <holstein> however, buntu will resize
[01:17] <holstein> A4_322: i would get a plain old ubuntu live CD
[01:17] <holstein> or a gparted live disc
[01:17] <A4_322> ok
[01:17] <A4_322> so... start over
[01:17] <A4_322> alright
[01:17] <holstein> i like http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[01:18] <A4_322> sounds like a good idea... the best I have anyway
[01:18] <holstein> and just get a look at whats going on first
[01:18] <holstein> you might not have to start over
[01:18] <holstein> depends
[01:18] <holstein> A4_322: what are the formatting options with the win7 install?
[01:18] <holstein> is there something different or newer than ntfs going on?
[01:18] <holstein> that im unaware of
[01:19] <A4_322> I'm pretty sure it's NTFS
[01:19] <A4_322> yeah
[01:19] <A4_322> it's NTFS
[01:19] <holstein> hmmm
[01:19] <holstein> buntu should be seeing it...
[01:19] <A4_322> it doesn't
[01:19] <holstein> well, the live CD should mount it
[01:19] <ailo> so, it's not exfat?
[01:19] <holstein> that would be a good trouble-shooting step i suppose
[01:19] <A4_322> I'll try the live cd, if it doesn't work, I'll come back...
[01:19] <A4_322> time to eat for now
[01:19] <A4_322> thanks for your help!
[01:20] <A4_322> bye for now
[01:20] <holstein> well, come back and thanks us when your rockin and rollin :)
[01:20] <A4_322> sure :)
[01:20] <holstein> good luck
[01:20] <A4_322> thanks, all's gone well so far
[01:20] <A4_322> except the OS
[01:20] <A4_322> bye then
[01:22] <ailo> Don't know much about windows 7, but from what I've understood it supports exFAT
[01:23] <holstein> ailo: can we mount that?
[01:23] <ailo> According to wikipedia, leopard only just added support for it, but linux hasn't yet
[01:24] <holstein> :/
[01:24] <holstein> that could be the deal
[01:24] <holstein> if its the default setting in the installer
[01:24] <holstein> maybe what we just talked about will make A4_322 aware
[01:25] <holstein> and choose NTFS
[01:25] <ailo> Well, maybe he will figure it out next time around..
[01:31] <ailo> holstein: about testing ubuntustudio, any tips?
[01:32] <holstein> i recently got lucid, maverick and natty on a laptop with firewire
[01:32] <holstein> so i can test my firewire card
[01:33] <holstein> i use the PPA purge function in ubuntu tweak
[01:33] <holstein> i really havent even had a chance to add abogani's kernel PPA's for natty though
[01:33] <holstein> ailo: what are you interested in testing?
[01:34] <ailo> I'm about to install natty on 32 bits and 64 bits. So far only on Virtualbox
[01:34] <ailo> I use pci and built in cards with nvidia graphics
[01:35] <holstein> i think you can learn alot from virtual installs
[01:35] <holstein> i wanted the bare metal for the kernels and the firewire
[01:36] <holstein> might be nice to test those newer kernels with your nvidia hardware
[01:36] <holstein> not a deal breaker though
[01:36] <holstein> do what you feel comfortalbe with
[01:36] <ailo> I just used Virtualbox to get the feel for it. Can't do any 3d or low latency sound.
[01:36] <holstein> i have a somewhat spare machine
[01:36] <holstein> 64bit lappy
[01:37] <ailo> But what about some sort of test suites?
[01:38] <ailo> I've been trying to find out what is out there, but it seems there's not much out there
[01:38] <holstein> you mean like a package?
[01:38] <ailo> or a script
[01:38] <holstein> like ubuntu-studio-test-blah
[01:38] <holstein> hmmm
[01:39] <holstein> i dont know of a script or a package
[01:39] <holstein> i think so much of the performance depends on the hardware too
[01:39] <holstein> its challenging, but not impossible to have such a thing
[01:40] <ailo> I suppose a lot has to do with the kernel itself, how well it works with your hardware
[01:42] <holstein> i know abogani would appreciate testing his natty kernels
[01:42] <ailo> I think it would be interesting to compare results from different hardware.
[01:42] <holstein> even in VM i suppose
[01:42] <holstein> ailo: it would have to be a stupid simple script
[01:43] <holstein> and we'd have to have somewhere to collect it
[01:43] <holstein> ailo: are you on the mailing list?
[01:43] <ailo> yes
[01:43] <holstein> if you think about it, mail that around
[01:43] <holstein> and mention maybe a way to add the results easily
[01:44] <holstein> somewhere on the new site
[01:44] <holstein> OR a link from the site to a wiki page that we could easily set up
[01:44] <ailo> I did mail something about kernel testing on both ubuntustudio-dev and lau. Seems like it is not an easy task to test a kernel
[01:44] <holstein> wiki's can be a pain though
[01:45] <ailo> wiki's seem to get easily bloated and disorganized
[08:08] <ryjyd> hello hello, anyone got eyes on the room?


[00:30] <tsimonq2> agaida: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/0.14.0-4ubuntu2
[00:33] <agaida> omfg - isn't 0.14 a little bit outdated?
[00:33] <tsimonq2> It is.
[00:34] <tsimonq2> Which is why it's on my TODO list to update it in Debian. :D
[00:34] <agaida> if you want, we could do this together - 0.15 isn't the version one should provide
[00:35] <tsimonq2> I'm fine doing it.
[00:35] <agaida> but i don't want to reinvent the wheel with the needed patches
[00:36] <agaida> erm wanted
[00:36] <agaida> the debian packaging is some kind of special
[00:40] <agaida> only to understand the Patch - what does the patch exactly?
[00:41] <tsimonq2> So as the bug report says, $DESKTOP_SESSION should never be an absolute path so $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS ends up being sane.
[00:41] <tsimonq2> But, SDDM needs to parse the .desktop file.
[00:41] <tsimonq2> So, let it do what it wants, let it parse the .desktop file.
[00:42] <tsimonq2> Then set it to something sane once that's done so that $DESKTOP_SESSION becomes sane.
[00:42] <tsimonq2> (i.e. no absolute path)
[00:42] <tsimonq2> I tested it in a VM and it works as intended.
[00:42] <agaida> hmmm
[00:43] <tsimonq2> Now to fix xorg so that $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS ends up being sane too.
[00:43] <agaida> erm ...
[00:43] <agaida> :)
[00:44] <tsimonq2> What?
[00:44] <tsimonq2> It works.
[00:44] <tsimonq2> :P
[00:45] <agaida> will test it with the next iso containing the fixed sddm :)
[00:45] <tsimonq2> By the way, I plan on getting this in Ubuntu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/=DB5MkRK7yc/
[00:46] <agaida> good plan, only a little bit wrong in the process
[00:46] <tsimonq2> I don't feel like poking Debian people.
[00:46] <tsimonq2> That's your job.
[00:46] <tsimonq2> :P
[00:47] <agaida> it would be better to integrate it in debian - but the "We are ubuntu, we don't care" has a long tradition
[00:47] <tsimonq2> hehehehe
 @Jacob Kim, Finding things to fix and bothering people about it until I learned how to fix it :D
 And QA
 QA really helped
 It's going to be daunting until you say "screw it" and jump in.
[00:48]  * agaida is the only one who cant
[00:48] <agaida> code
[00:48] <tsimonq2> hahahahaha
[00:48] <tsimonq2> :D
[00:49] <agaida> but my eqiv is a big mouth - and the threat do write changes myself
[00:49] <agaida> thats easy
[00:49] <agaida> short version?
[00:50] <tsimonq2> I mean, it all depends on the changes you made
[00:50] <agaida> apt install debhelper devscripts
[00:50] <agaida> place your changes in code in a patches dir and build it with the usual distribution tools
[00:51] <agaida> test it - that way would make sure that one has the same settings as the official packages
[00:51] <tsimonq2> https://raphaelhertzog.com/2012/08/08/how-to-use-quilt-to-manage-patches-in-debian-packages/
[00:52] <tsimonq2> But again, it all depends on what you're trying to do :D
[00:52] <agaida> next step - build things in  a clean environment - its a steep learning process in the beginning
[00:52] <tsimonq2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild
[00:52] <tsimonq2> I don't care what mapreri says, sbuild is the best :D
[00:53] <agaida> meh - as long the packages work all things are fine - and it is important to have more than one tool
[00:53] <agaida> speaking of regressions and such things
[00:54] <agaida> if both (all) tools deliver the same result it's fine
[00:54] <tsimonq2> Bah, sbuild's better :P
[00:54] <agaida> if not - bingo
[01:01] <agaida> tsimonq2: ok, i poked pochu again - and i hope that he understand that i'm not really happy about the situation
[01:02] <agaida> damn channel rules, normally i would use other language about this special topic#
[01:02] <tsimonq2> heh
[01:02] <agaida> hey, i was as kind as i  can be
[01:03] <agaida> and polite, of course
[01:04] <agaida> https://pb.5id.eu/ZduR
[01:06] <agaida> nothing against fixing things in ubuntu - but that would introduce a diff without sense and need
[01:07] <agaida> only because one guy don't move his a**
[01:08] <tsimonq2> We already have an Ubuntu delta.
[01:11] <agaida> the goal should be to lower the delta - every additional thing hurt long term
[01:11] <tsimonq2> Right.
[01:11] <tsimonq2> But as you said, if the maintainer won't move along, something has to be done.
[01:11] <agaida> right - but it has to be the ultima ratio
[01:12] <tsimonq2> Right.
[01:13] <agaida> and unfortunately we can do exactly nothing about upstream - the best outcome would be if the xdg-guys merge it - everyone would be happy
[01:13] <agaida> and neither we as upstream nor distributions has to care about
[01:14] <agaida> hmm, whishful thinking
[01:22] <tsimonq2> Their upstream is almost as slow as LXQt's >:D
[01:38] <agaida> meh - i guess we will release short after the Ubuntu freeze
[01:38] <tsimonq2> Like always :P
[01:39] <agaida> no bad will, but i can't release a current LXQt without a current libfm - so it is LStrangers turn
[01:41] <tsimonq2> Right
[01:42] <agaida> and to be true - it sucks a lot - but i guess you know my opinion about it - i think i was clear and verbose enough in the bug tracker
[01:42] <tsimonq2> Right
[01:44] <agaida> so one of the goals of 0.13 should be: Get rid of the remaining libfm dependencies and menu-cache too - as far as possible
[01:44] <agaida> but right now i'm blocked
[01:46] <tsimonq2> ok
[01:49] <agaida> 2018-01-30  00:22:07 <agaida> LStranger: hi, the monthly ping
[01:49] <agaida> 2018-01-30  00:22:14 <agaida> 2017-12-10  13:07:38 <agaida> LStrange1: hi, any news about a libfm release?
[01:49] <agaida> 2018-01-30  00:22:14 <agaida> 2017-12-10  19:47:08 <-> LStrange1 heißt jetzt LStranger
[01:49] <agaida> 2018-01-30  00:22:14 <agaida> 2017-12-10  19:47:34 <LStranger> agaida: hi, going to work on that this week.
[01:49] <tsimonq2> ok
[01:50] <agaida> he has a slightly different view on time and such things
[01:50] <agaida> the first time i asked about was begin of November last year
[01:52] <agaida> the plan was (the usual delays included) to release a point end of January/ start of February
[01:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-default-settings] lubuntu-lugito pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vAtgb
[01:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-default-settings/master 1091b75 Simon Quigley: Wrap-and-sort and fix whitespace.
[01:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-default-settings/master 0de8933 Simon Quigley: Rework the dependencies so a lot of unnecessary stuff isn't pulled in on Lubuntu Next.
[01:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-default-settings/master e2a0857 Simon Quigley: Release to Bionic.
[01:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [nm-tray-packaging] lubuntu-lugito created HEAD from master (+0 new commits): https://git.io/vAt2U
[02:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lxqt-panel-packaging] lubuntu-lugito tagged ubuntu/bionic at HEAD: https://git.io/vAt2C
[02:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] lubuntu-lugito merged master into HEAD: https://git.io/vAta8
 ...lugito... :|
 .__.
[02:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [nm-tray-packaging] lubuntu-lugito merged HEAD into master: https://git.io/vAtVV
 @tsimonq2, Jyoti:
 @Jyoti, Oh hi, sorry for not answering you earlier
 I'll check it out
 Have you tried pcmanfm-qt?
 Thanks a lot
 No
 @tsimonq2, It seems the Qt version is a bit quicker and more featureful.
 Just in lxde
 Ok, try that and let me know if it works for you
 Wonderful
 Ok :-)
 The only one (small) issue with pcmanfm is this, related to search engine. Besides that, pcmanfm is a very good lighter file manager
 Right :)
 https://sovietech.wordpress.com/2017/12/01/linux-on-hp-stream-11-32gb-emmc-card-2gb-ram/
 niiiiice
 Although we are going to get a rebrand
 https://sovietech.wordpress.com/2016/11/06/long-live-lubuntu/
 :D
 (Photo, 1240x697) https://i.imgur.com/gnSYtTf.jpg
 I replaced the main manuicon with the Lenny icon :-)
 :D
 Main menu icon
 @Jyoti, Looks nice!
 :-)
 (Photo, 388x428) https://i.imgur.com/6kNLNXi.jpg
 Lenny, the Lubuntu mascot
 YASSS
 FINALLY
 THE LUBUNTU NEXT DAILY WORKS
 \o/
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3782.mp4
[05:37] <tsimonq2> agaida: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-utils/1.1.2-1ubuntu2
 @Wolfenprey, :D
 @tsimonq2, Lubuntu NEXT becomes Lubuntu NOW!
 @Jyoti, :D
 Hard work, high goals, confident mind = a significant level of the work reached!
 :)
 Lubuntu dev team: how to be almost superhuman in order to do a amazing technological-humanitarian-work.
 hahahaha
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://i.imgur.com/JYt2kTp.jpg
 May i keep this message? Or remove?
 Do what you want :)
 Thanks
 Simon and Lubuntu dev team, do not mind me from saying this, but I really think that the entry in the Lubuntu Next main menu "ABOUT LXQT" could be somewhere other than in the main menu. No other distribution does put the credits so blatantly. It's almost like putting the architect's name on the wall of the house’s main living room or walking with the tag out of the clothes ... Without wishing to diminish the importance of the devs lxqt, I
 I think IT could stay in a more discreet and less ostentatious place
 Simon and Lubuntu dev team, do not mind me from saying this, but I really think that the entry in the Lubuntu Next main menu "ABOUT LXQT" could be somewhere other than in the main menu. No other distribution does put the credits so blatantly. It's almost like putting the architect's name on the wall of the house’s main living room or walking with the tag out of the clothes ... Without wishing to diminish the importance of the devs lxqt, I
 Simon and Lubuntu dev team, do not mind me from saying this, but I really think that the entry in the Lubuntu Next main menu "ABOUT LXQT" could be somewhere other than in the main menu. No other distribution does put the credits as a main menu category. It's almost like putting the architect's name on the wall of the house’s main living room or walking with the tag out of the clothes ... Without wishing to diminish the importance of the devs
 Simon and Lubuntu dev team, do not mind me from saying this, but I really think that the entry in the Lubuntu Next main menu "ABOUT LXQT" could be somewhere else than in the main menu. No other DE does put the credits as a main menu category. It's almost like putting the architect's name on the wall of the house’s main living room or walking with the tag out of the clothes ... Without wishing to diminish the importance of the devs lxqt, I
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/Gu0dgxv.jpg
 The image shows a issue when trying to install Lubuntu Next daily on 2018.02.11
 @Jyoti, We're working on it. That's the supposed placed for an "About Lubuntu" app we already developped. And there must be a DEB somewhere... right, @tsimonq2? :)
[12:53] <agaida> there was a reason for the About in that prominent place - it was the only chance to get basic version informations before 0.12.0
 https://github.com/lubuntu-team/lubuntu-about
 I maed diz :)
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/file/data/pppcgv77sbleetmszplm/PHID-FILE-zuqxpy6otc5yvo5kvava/g4336.png
 mockup
[12:54] <agaida> and i made this: $binary --version :D
 :)
[12:55] <agaida> and in case it won't work, we just don't support it, because to ancient :P
 LOL
[12:56] <agaida> cool. isn't it? :P
 aye!
 but you know, agaida? I'm a GUI slave ;)
[13:00] <agaida> no problem - and for the About - just don't install it - solved
[13:01] <agaida> and we should move it to the config center
[13:01] <redwolf> yes, it doesn't make sense to have a standalone entry. but we still need a .desktop thing. and that "about" menu removed
[13:02] <agaida> it was very important until 0.12.0 - and that entry save us days of developer time - so, yes, it was really important
[13:03] <redwolf> anyways, as it's not only an "environment version" app, it provides useful info, we might leave it there
[13:03] <redwolf> it's the domestic version of hardinfo
[13:08] <agaida> it is important to have some basic informations about the system available even for the blindest user
[13:09] <agaida> btw - don't forget the braille output
[13:09] <redwolf> I'm one of those! :D
[18:32] <agaida> https://i.imgur.com/JpJuf9G.jpg - ok, little change in the iso start behaviour
[18:33] <tsimonq2> ...?
[18:33] <tsimonq2> what
[18:33] <tsimonq2> O_O
[18:36] <agaida> in general it is better now
[18:37] <tsimonq2> jeez, what's wrong now?!?
[18:37] <agaida> you messed up the session?
[18:37] <tsimonq2> How so?
[18:37] <agaida> give me a second
[18:37] <tsimonq2> ok
[18:39] <agaida> erm
[18:39] <agaida> cat /etc/sddm.conf
[18:40] <tsimonq2> Hold on, grabbing ISO...
[18:42] <agaida> cool mix
[18:47] <tsimonq2> ...
[18:47] <tsimonq2> wat
[18:49] <agaida> start the iso in vbox or kvm and switch to a terminal
[18:49] <tsimonq2> I know
[18:49] <tsimonq2> I'm wondering *why* it would set it like that
[18:49] <agaida> have a look into the sddm.conf
[18:49] <agaida> and far more important
[18:49] <agaida> ls /usr/share/xsessions
[18:50] <agaida> nano /usr/share/xsessions/Lubuntu.desktop
[18:50] <tsimonq2> Ahhhh you're right.
[18:50] <tsimonq2> QLubuntu should be there.
[18:50] <agaida> upps - lxsession isn't there :D
[18:50] <tsimonq2> What the...
[18:50] <agaida> :)
[18:51] <tsimonq2> Thanks agaida, I can take it from here...
[18:51] <agaida> you should use the default lxqt.desktop
[18:51] <tsimonq2> I think I botched my lubuntu-default-settings upload...
[18:51] <tsimonq2> No
[18:51] <tsimonq2> That breaks XDG settings
[18:51] <agaida> patch the needed name into lxqt.desktop and be done with
[18:52] <tsimonq2> no
[18:52] <tsimonq2> you don't understand
[18:52] <tsimonq2> SDDM takes the desktop *filename*
[18:52] <agaida> thats why i asked yesterday
[18:52] <tsimonq2> So we need to have QLubuntu.desktop even if it's identical to lxqt.desktop so that the settings in /etc/xdg/xdg-QLubuntu are applied
[18:52] <agaida> the other DMs was patched to take the Name
[18:52] <tsimonq2> Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, lubuntu-default settings is screwed
[18:52] <tsimonq2> Shoot
[18:52] <tsimonq2> Hod on
[18:52] <tsimonq2> *Hold
[18:53] <tsimonq2> agaida: And no, it doesn't take it from there
[18:53] <agaida> and you should rethink the sddm.conf, right now sddm shows the default maui theme
[18:54] <tsimonq2> Right
[18:54] <tsimonq2> That's the next step here
[18:54] <agaida> and another suggestion - the theme in lxqt is nearly right, but you should override the automatic theme color detection
[18:54] <tsimonq2> Huh?
[18:55] <agaida> dark symbols on a dark panel look bäh
[18:55]  * tsimonq2 passes this to @VikingRedwolf
[18:56] <agaida> there is a hook in the theme chooser - and that hook should not be marked - aka the default configuration should be false
[18:56] <agaida> in case that will be fixed it looks great
[18:59] <tsimonq2> Where is this hook?
[18:59] <tsimonq2> i.e. how do I set this in my packaging?
[18:59] <tsimonq2> (Is it just something I throw in my XDG settings?)
[19:03]  * agaida mentioned git for the development process before? :P
[19:03] <tsimonq2> ?
[19:03] <agaida> just a second
[19:04] <agaida> i told you to add git to the standard packages - as long your settings are work in progress :D
[19:04] <tsimonq2> ?
[19:04] <agaida> helps a lot
[19:05] <tsimonq2> We do all of our packaging in Git...
[19:05] <agaida> but you don't know the dirty tricks
[19:05] <tsimonq2> oh?
[19:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-default-settings] lubuntu-lugito pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vAqOI
[19:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-default-settings/master 738b423 Simon Quigley: Move some things around to fix the Lubuntu Next ISO.
[19:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-default-settings/master 2a92ace Simon Quigley: Release to Bionic.
[19:06] <agaida> in short - start into the desktop
[19:06] <agaida> open a terminal
[19:06] <agaida> install git
[19:06] <tsimonq2> I know how to use Git...
[19:06] <agaida> git init in users home
[19:06] <agaida> git add --all
[19:06] <agaida> commit it
[19:07] <tsimonq2> ...
[19:07] <agaida> change some settings  - voila
[19:07] <tsimonq2> I just want to know what this means... lol
[19:07] <tsimonq2> 12:56:10 PM < agaida> there is a hook in the theme chooser - and that hook should not be marked - aka the default configuration should be false
[19:09] <agaida> https://i.imgur.com/o533mDZ.jpg
[19:10] <agaida> just add the green line to your defaults :P
[19:10] <tsimonq2> MUCH better
[19:10] <tsimonq2> Didn't know what you were trying to say there
[19:10] <tsimonq2> XD
[19:11] <tsimonq2> Next time, send us a PR :P
[19:11] <agaida> files in .config are 1:1 to normal LXQt configurations - so just set the offending values via GUI and diff the result
[19:11] <tsimonq2>
[19:11] <tsimonq2> https://github.com/lubuntu-team/lubuntu-default-settings
[19:12] <agaida> nah - i'm only a consultant in that case - so - sorry, you have to do the dirty work
[19:13] <tsimonq2> Then file an issue ;D
[19:14] <agaida> i even have no problems with issues :P
[19:14] <tsimonq2> So what about fixing SDDM?
[19:14] <agaida> that should be easy
[19:16] <tsimonq2> Oh?
[19:27] <tsimonq2> agaida: How do we fix SDDM?
[19:27] <tsimonq2> (Since you seem to know.)
[19:29] <agaida> second - just building a live isp
[19:29] <agaida> iso even
[19:29] <tsimonq2> ok
[19:35] <agaida> https://pb.5id.eu/3_RX.conf
[19:37] <agaida> so set the session right, provide an valid autologin user und a valid theme should be enough
[19:37] <agaida> i use the debian-theme and only set the alternative - i'm just lazy
 @lugito, Is this really necessary ?
 @julienlavergne, Yes.
 The Lubuntu Next ISO picks up qlubuntu-default-session
 And not lubuntu-extra-sessions
 QLubuntu.desktop should be installed by qlubuntu-default-session like the lightdm file
 Was this incorrect?
[19:56] <tsimonq2> .
 .
 But *default-session packages should not hold any files, there are here only for setting the default  session ...
 Fwd from julienlavergne: Why not adding it to the seed ? sddm conf you should pick the right session since we have only one session we want to be auto start by sddm
 Fwd from tsimonq2: lubuntu-extra-sessions was pulled in by qlubuntu-default-session, I removed the dependency yesterday (or so) while I was removing other dependencies that were already in the seed but still getting pulled in by lubuntu-default-settings
 Fwd from tsimonq2: lubuntu-extra-sessions shouldn't be installed by default on Lubuntu Next, much like it isn't installed by default on regular Lubuntu
 Fwd from tsimonq2: So I had to move whatever was in lubuntu-extra-sessions to qlubuntu-default-sessions to make lubuntu-extra-sessions optional to the function of the Lubuntu Next session
 Fwd from julienlavergne: But *default-session packages should not hold any files, there are here only for setting the default  session ...
 (bridge was down)
 Ah, right. I hadn't considered that.
 I suppose you put conflicts / replaces everywhere now with the move of those files ?
 Let me clean this up... apologies
 Next time, let me review it first, please ...
 Absolutely
 Move files around is always a mess
 @julienlavergne So if I revert that commit, what about something like this? https://paste.ubuntu.com/=y4NFwmW7hd/
 I assume I would not need a Conflicts/Replaces if it's just moving one file, correct?
 @tsimonq2, Even for 1 file you need conflicts/replaces
 Ohh, right, for the lower version
 I can't review it properly now, I'm on my phone right now
 OK
 That's why I don't like moving file around, better to do it only once, but once for most of the files
 Right
 https://paste.ubuntu.com/=7RGnMPXVvt/ - better?
 That simply moves `usr/share/xsessions/QLubuntu.desktop` from lubuntu-extra-sessions to lubuntu-default-settings, and sets a Conflicts/Replaces on lubuntu-extra-sessions (« 0.54) in the lubuntu-default-settings stanza.
[21:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-default-settings] lubuntu-lugito pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vAqWZ
[21:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-default-settings/master 8922ed6 Julien Lavergne: Revert previous upload
[21:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-default-settings/master d3d0856 Julien Lavergne: Add Breaks for previous upload.
 @julienlavergne Can we move that file over so we don't have to install the extra sessions package? :/
 @tsimonq2, Next push, I need to start again to know where to put the breaks
 @julienlavergne, OK
[21:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-default-settings] lubuntu-lugito pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vAqlb
[21:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-default-settings/master 0bd8e6d Julien Lavergne: Move QLubuntu.session to main package, and Lubuntu-Netbook to extra sessions
[23:18] <tsimonq2> agaida: So to make it clear, I can provide my own sddm.conf in the packaging?
[23:19] <tsimonq2> agaida: Under e.g. /etc/xdg/xdg-QLubuntu/sddm.conf?
[23:19] <agaida> not really
[23:20] <agaida> or better - just test it - thats what strace is for
[23:20] <tsimonq2> How does siduction install a custom SDDM config then?
[23:20] <agaida> i use debian alternatives
[23:21] <tsimonq2> Got a link to your packaging?
[23:21] <agaida> somewhere in git.siduction.org - dunno, where i set the alternative
[23:22] <agaida> but it is easy - just install sddm and be done with
[23:23] <agaida> hmm - should be easy, alternatives support is in debians sddm 0.15
[23:23] <agaida> :)
[23:23] <tsimonq2> HAH
[23:23] <tsimonq2> Right you are!
[23:24] <agaida> i had some trouble with sensible defaults of the kde guys - and scottk answered my bug about in the best behaviour he learned at ubuntu
[23:24] <agaida> fortunately someone think further
[23:26] <agaida> so your best bet is sddm 0.15 for bionic
[23:27] <agaida> i guess you are familar with the alternatives system - just take the default and add a alternative to your theme - done
[23:28] <tsimonq2> Nah, we'll get the latest upstream for Bionic.
[23:29] <agaida> have fun
[23:29] <agaida> esp. with patching sddm
[23:29] <tsimonq2> That'll mean 0.17 for SDDM :D
[23:29] <tsimonq2> s/SDDM/Sid/
[23:30] <agaida> as i said - have fun
[23:30] <tsimonq2> ok :P
[23:30] <agaida> 18 days is much time to get it a) packaged, b) well tested
[23:31] <tsimonq2> Oh yeah, plenty of time.
[23:31]  * agaida forget c) working
[23:31] <tsimonq2> Pfft, easy.
[23:32] <tsimonq2> agaida: I don't go at Debian speed, remember? :D
[23:34] <agaida> as i said - have fun - the only good thing that Qt/KDE has done to sddm was introducing the alternatives - and that was so cool, that i stopped providing my own sddm package
[23:34] <agaida> you will learn about doing to much thing yourself - but not for this release i guess
[23:35] <tsimonq2> If anyone wants to do it, it's not like I'm being closed about it.
[23:36] <agaida> and btw - the papirus icon theme don't work with LXQt
[23:36] <agaida> the mentioned hook or setting only works one time
[23:37] <tsimonq2> How so?
[23:37] <agaida> so bad luck - right now i'm an a fresh built arch (latest git) - same behaviour as in debian and ubuntu - so i think i will file a bug and hope the best
[23:39] <agaida> good question - if one set the override in the living system it works fine, log out, relogin - the setting is gone. might be something simple, but right now ...