[02:13] <evon> Hello everyone.  I'm using Ubuntu-Gnome on a touch screen laptop but I'm finding that the touch screen performance very lacking.  It's not always very responsive and the keyboard doesn't show when I have selected a text box (my laptop can go into tablet mode).  Is this typical? are there tweaks or updates I can install? please help.


[16:31] <jcastro> mhall119, I'm your guy with the server update
[16:38] <mhall119> thanks jcastro
[18:35] <mhall119> jcastro: who's doing your summary, you or patricia?
[18:40] <jcastro> mhall119, pat is
[18:41] <jcastro> I just wrote all the stuff down for her to say
[18:41] <mhall119> ok
[18:42] <mhall119> jono: ^^ FYI, Pat Gaughen is doing the server/cloud track summary
[18:43] <jono> mhall119, thanks
[18:43] <jono> mhall119, will set up the hangout soon


[09:19] <webchat56> Hi guys
[09:20] <webchat56> I wondering if it's possible what I have planned
[09:21] <webchat56> I would like to setup router on ubuntu as a bridge and I;m wondering if it's possible or there is such software which would scan for viruses downloads of users connected to this router?
[09:21] <webchat56> clamav, snort?
[09:21] <webchat56> anyone tried to scan downloaded files on the fly?
[09:22] <webchat56> maybe squid is able to do such thing
[09:22] <webchat56> sorry for flooding
[09:42] <TJ-> webchat56: you mean you want to proxy connections? that won't work for https unless you're also issuing a local private CA cert to clients to connect to the proxy
[09:43] <webchat56> I could use lets encrypt for that
[09:46] <lordievader> Even if you could read the https streams you would still only see the data stream, not the individual files.
[09:54] <webchat56> achh yes https will be a problem
[09:56] <webchat56> ok so I thought i could automate this process, but it is not so simple
[09:56] <webchat56> I will continue scan files on my desktop
[10:11] <webchat56> thanks, have a nice day
[15:35] <dada513[m]1> hello


[06:19] <privism> apw: In 5.0.10 selinux is still used, is this correct?
[07:46] <snadge> i could have encountered a freezing issue which affects only the current 19.04 lowlatency kernel
[07:46] <snadge> its a crash that takes approximately 24hours to manifest, so its going to take me a while to collect more data
[19:50] <apw> snadge, file a bug, and get what you can into it ...


[00:00] <bluesabre> bbiab
[00:00] <knome> hf
[00:33] <bluesabre> sed
[00:33] <bluesabre> s/sed/sed/
[00:33] <SwissBot> bluesabre: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[00:33] <bluesabre> boo
[00:34] <knome> help sed
[00:34] <knome> SwissBot, help sed!
[00:34] <SwissBot> no help for topic sed!
[00:34] <knome> ;)
[00:34] <Unit193> I need a banana.
[00:34] <Unit193> s/banana/coffee/
[00:34] <SwissBot> Unit193 meant: "I need a coffee."
[00:35] <bluesabre> no, Unit193 needs a banana
[00:35] <bluesabre> silly bot
[00:57] <knome> too easy to become annoyed at a bot giving nutritional advice, we don't need one :P
[00:57] <knome> though the fact that Unit193 needs a banana is true, it IS his payday
[05:45] <pleia2> g+ and fb the final beta post
[05:51] <Unit193> \o/
[05:53] <flocculant> I see the release announcement got screwed up for us yet again
[05:53] <flocculant> does no-one ever check these things :|
[12:42] <flocculant> given one person's confusion - I didn't mean *our stuff* but the one on the release m/l ;)
[15:33] <drc> Quick question...with 15.10 (b1 and b2) I keep getting a "_usr_lib_x86_64-linux-gnu_xfce4_panel_wrapper-1.0.1000.crash" in /var/crash on boot.  Nothing bad happens and it doesn't try to get me to report it, but happens every boot.
[15:35] <drc> OK, just reported it, says it already known.
[18:11] <flocculant> yep - saw that reported
[18:18] <drc> It was just strange, if I hadn't checked /var/crash , I'd never have know about it.
[18:18] <flocculant> yep - that's what crash does afaik
[18:19] <flocculant> or rather I think it's an error - which reports directly without human intervention
[18:22] <drc> Well, some problems (such as thunar and calibre errors) result in a popup asking if you want to report something.  If yes, there are 2 additional files (one for gathering data and one showing what was uploaded) placed in /var/crash showing the error report)s).  Clicking on the *.crash and reporting will also place those files there,
[18:23] <drc> So, no, I don't think it was an auto-report.
[18:23] <flocculant> yes - if you see no popup - it's just been reported to errors.ubuntu.com I think
[18:25] <drc> It would be a Good Thing (tm) if it was :)
[18:43] <flocculant> ali1234 I think is the one to ask :)
[18:44] <flocculant> but I'm pretty sure it gets turned off for released versions
[20:05] <Nairwolf> Hi, I've missed the test before the release of xubuntu beta @
[20:05] <Nairwolf> beta2
[20:05] <Nairwolf> so, now if i want to test, it's better to use the daily, right ?
[20:08] <ochosi> bluesabre: idea: expand xfpanel-switch in the next release to save/restore more settings, more like a profile manager. so it would not just change panel layout but also gtk/xfwm theme etc. so redmond would look even more like redmond and gnome2 even more like gnome2 (that sorta implies we ship befitting themes ofc)
[20:10] <knome> Nairwolf, yes; practically, you have no other option
[20:12] <Nairwolf> okay ;)
[20:12] <Nairwolf> I'm donwloading it right now ;)
[20:13] <knome> Nairwolf, if you downloaded the beta, you could zsync to the daily, so you wouldn't need to download it all again
[20:14] <drc> knome: But then are you really testing the (live) iso?
[20:14] <drc> For testing an install, I'd agree.
[20:14] <knome> i don't understand how it'd be any different for the live ISO?
[20:14] <knome> zsyncing isn't magical updating of packages inside the ISO
[20:15] <knome> it's just getting a newer version of it
[20:15] <knome> as if you'd download it all again
[20:15] <knome> except that you only download "new" parts
[20:17] <drc> I'll defer you your knowledge (that's why I asked the question...I didn't know)
[20:17] <knome> np - now you know
[20:18] <flocculant> I use zsync all the time
[20:18] <drc> yup...knowledge is a dangerous comodity though :)
[20:18] <knome> as is spelling
[20:18]  * flocculant really must finish his testing for xubuntu post - with all those niceties listed out
[20:19] <drc> I wouldn't know about that :)
[20:19] <flocculant> evening ochosi
[20:24] <ochosi> evening flocculant
[20:25] <flocculant> ochosi: wouldn't that make for a huge number of versions? if we have 5 presets and a bunch of themes?
[20:25] <ochosi> nah, i'd do them in a very focused way
[20:25] <ochosi> not endless combinations
[20:25] <ochosi> but yeah, maybe that's a different app, i'm not sure
[20:26] <ochosi> there were plans for doing such a profile manager upstream a few years ago
[20:26] <ochosi> but sarts never finished it
[20:26] <flocculant> mmm - not sure how I feel about that - seems to give the appearance that we don't actually like our defaults :)
[20:26] <ochosi> nah, not really
[20:26] <flocculant> I can understand panels
[20:26] <ochosi> it's just another way of easing in new users and showing them how customizable xfce is
[20:26] <flocculant> mmm
[20:27] <ochosi> same as with the gmusicbrowser layouts
[20:27] <flocculant> I could understand having an accessibility one perhaps
[20:27] <flocculant> refusing to get into *any* sort of gmb discussion :D
[20:28] <ochosi> heh
[20:28] <ochosi> well not necessary really, just saying that we've done this sort of thing before
[20:29] <flocculant> :)
[20:29] <flocculant> yes - but gmb is one thing with x versions
[20:30] <flocculant> you start fiddling with panels and themes - if you had 5 panels and 5 themes - without cutting down - that's over 100 different perms
[20:31] <ochosi> no wait, the idea is to have fixed combinations and give users a way of backing up or sharing their settings easily
[20:31] <ochosi> i don't want 5*5 presets
[20:31] <ochosi> just 5
[20:31] <flocculant> ok
[20:32] <flocculant> oic - that's a huge difference obviously :)
[20:32] <flocculant> that I'd not have a problem with - though I would suggest adding an accessibility one in to the mix
[20:32] <ochosi> so if you select gnome2, you'd get adwaita, the gnome icons and the gnome2 panel layout and font set to cantarell (or whatever their default is these days)
[20:33] <flocculant> yep - I see what you mean now
[20:33] <ochosi> if you select redmond, you'd get maybe bluebird and some win7 like xfwm4 theme etc
[20:33] <flocculant> ack
[20:33] <ochosi> ideally though those things should end up as containers, carrying everything you need
[20:34] <ochosi> so the themes and fonts would be inside the tarball as well
[20:34] <ochosi> otherwise you select a preset and you're missing a depend
[20:34] <ochosi> and you end up with something that looks messed up
[20:34] <ochosi> or alternatively we could check whether all depends are installed and show a warning in case it's not the case
[20:35] <flocculant> yep - that all sounds sensible
[20:35]  * ochosi is happy he's finally making *some* sense
[20:35] <flocculant> with my hat on - I'd not be very amused if it all turned up in March :D
[20:36] <flocculant> ochosi: yea - long day here - and typed before I'd thought more :)
[20:37] <flocculant> sean's reply to the mail "one thing I would like to see are more non-critical bug reports.  Usability bugs, missing icons, inconsistent functionality" covers this idea :)
[20:37] <ochosi> not even sure we'll implement many new features for 16.04
[20:37] <ochosi> yup
[20:37] <ochosi> i'd prefer to focus on polishing too
[20:38] <flocculant> yea
[20:38] <ochosi> we'll likely have to fix some stuff anyway, with new gtk3 version and potentially other new things floating in
[20:38] <flocculant> 6 months of making sure we're rock solid will be 6 months well spent
[20:38] <flocculant> yep - understand that
[20:39] <ochosi> so anyway, you might have to start training your eyes for those elliptical circles after all...
[20:40] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[20:40] <ochosi> ;)
[20:42] <flocculant> I can see the difference when they're like this http://bit.ly/1JuapXL
[20:42] <ochosi> alt + mousewheel is your friend
[20:43] <ochosi> (also, i love that mushroom!)
[20:43] <flocculant> absolutely it is :D
[20:43] <flocculant> oh yes - I can see that now ...
[20:47] <flocculant> bluesabre: re bug 1497170 you comment about xfce, but this is also seen on ubuntu - thought I'd make that plain if I hadn't previously
[21:51] <flocculant> that thing's really nosy :p
[21:54] <knome> heh
[23:27] <pleia2> knome: still awake for a bit?
[23:28] <flocculant> I think he ran away all scared of Friday
[23:31] <drc> Bah...knome ain't 'friad of nuthin; !
[23:32] <flocculant> pleia2: I assume you did fb and g+ - thanks :)
[23:32] <pleia2> flocculant: final beta announcement? yep!
[23:32] <flocculant> :)
[23:33] <flocculant> the m/l announcement failed to list our wiki notes - not a big deal - but I do wish they'd get a pair of other eyes on it
[23:34] <pleia2> agreed
[23:34] <flocculant> though as someone in offtopic said - at least we weren't Mate Xubuntu this time :D
[23:34] <pleia2> Xbuntu? :)
[23:34] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[23:35] <flocculant> on the other hand don't want to moan given the help they do give us when it's needed ;)
[23:35]  * pleia2 nods
[23:36] <flocculant> I'll help when it's final release ...
[23:37] <pleia2> I won't
[23:37] <flocculant> I mean - I'll help with the release notes :D
[23:38] <pleia2> hehe
[23:38] <pleia2> I'm going to be wandering around japan that day
[23:38] <flocculant> oh nice :)
[23:39] <flocculant> I'd love to be in a position to wander the globe working
[23:39] <flocculant> bit offtopic ...
[23:43] <drc> Not if pleia2 takes some stickers with her :)
[23:44] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[23:45] <flocculant> pleia2: got to say - I like to see (and read ofc) the Xubuntu at ... posts
[23:46] <pleia2> I'm glad :)
[23:46] <pleia2> they keep me motivated
[23:47] <flocculant> yep I bet :)
[23:47] <flocculant> should use those as an example on the comm m/l
[23:48] <pleia2> good idea
[23:48] <flocculant> \o/
[23:48] <flocculant> still got it ...
[23:48] <pleia2> hehe
[23:49] <flocculant> make sure to add an emojii or two
[23:49] <flocculant> :p
[23:49] <pleia2> x_x
[23:50] <flocculant> :D


[12:58] <brendand> pitti, if in the middle of an autopilot test, the device restarts, will adt-run lose its 'stuff'?
[12:59]  * brendand realises that's a dumb question because the autopilot process will die. so of course it will be a problem
[13:00] <pitti> brendand: yes; you need to call /tmp/autopkgtest-reboot-prepare to save the state, then you can reboot
[19:08] <balloons> well Hapyy monday to everyone.
[19:08] <knome> hapyy?
[19:08]  * balloons didn't even realize he was dc'd from freenode all day
[19:09] <balloons> it's not quiet happy, because, well, turns out the quiet monday I thought was happening, was only because I wasn't logged in :-0
[19:17] <flocculant> it's been a complete nightmare since Saturday ... don't check the logs
[19:23] <balloons> the past is the past. nothing I can d :-0
[19:31] <knome> balloons, lol
[19:31] <flocculant> I'm sure we could make something up between us for you :D


[00:58] <jyo> jledbetter: All right, I'll see you guys next Thursday then.
[05:05] <bkerensa> pleia2: thunder
[05:06] <pleia2> outside?
[05:13] <bkerensa> pleia2: yes
[05:13] <bkerensa> and heavy rain
[05:14] <pleia2> neat
[05:14] <pleia2> glad I'm at my hotel :)
[14:53]  * bkerensa does the speakers dance
[16:46] <raevol> so i let my rsync run over night
[16:46] <raevol> and it failed at a certain point
[16:46] <raevol> wait let me pastbin this
[16:50] <raevol> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102086/ <-- apparently i wrote a correupted file somehow
[16:50] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu Pastebin]
[16:50] <raevol> ah the first section is the end of my rsync log
[16:50] <raevol> and i now can't remove that file
[16:50] <raevol> any ideas on how to remove the file, and what went wrong with my rsync?
[16:54] <akk> I'd first try sudo rm -rf on that directory
[16:54] <akk> but I/O error often means hardware, so I'd also check dmesg to see if there were any hardware errors reported.
[16:55] <akk> If no hardware errors, I'd unmount the filesystem (go to single-user mode if necessary) and fsck, since there might be filesystem errors.
[16:56] <raevol> yea sudo rm -rf shows the same i/o error, hmm
[17:00] <raevol> hmm... how do i fsck an unmounted drive? fsck /dev/sdb?
[17:01] <akk> right, though usually it's sdb1 or whatever
[17:01] <raevol> ah it's an ntfs drive D:


[10:19] <O2_> hello
[10:21] <O2_> I wonder if we need to install something else to improve the video card?
[10:21] <Nailor> What video card?
[10:21] <O2_> when playing 3d games, I find it slower than in windows
[10:21] <O2_> mine laptop's video card is intel GMA900, 128MB
[10:22] <Nailor> Well, Intel offers some drivers for the video cards
[10:22] <O2_> really, what's its name?
[10:25] <Nailor> Well, xserver-xorg-driver-i810 should be in repos
[10:25] <mjg59> The Intel drivers are the same as the ones we ship
[10:25] <Nailor> And it's installed default (if I'm right)
[10:26] <Nailor> O2_: It just might be that the intel's drivers aren't performing as well in linus as in windows
[10:27] <O2_> my laptop: intel 915 chipset, not 810
[10:27] <O2_> : (    what a sad news
[10:27] <Nailor> That package supports i9xx too
[10:27] <O2_> really
[10:30] <O2_> apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-driver-i810........................had been installed by default!
[10:31] <O2_> what a bad news................
[10:31] <O2_> what video card is in your notebook? I wonder
[10:36] <Nailor> Nvidia 7400 go
[10:37] <O2_> how is it under linux ?
[10:39] <O2_> I wonder if GMA900 will be better running in fedora core
[10:40] <Nailor> Well, both use the same drivers.
[10:40] <Nailor> Since the drivers are provided by X.org, not the distribution. There's propably no speed advantage between distributions
[10:41] <Nailor> My nvidia is working nowdays well. When I bough the laptop, the driver support was poor
[10:46] <O2_> what cpu is your laptop then
[10:47] <Nailor> Core Duo 1,8GHz
[10:50] <O2_> did u know how to view the cpu speed in ubuntu
[10:55] <Nailor> For example with cpufreq-applet
[10:56] <Nailor> From Add to panel... -> CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor
[10:56] <Nailor> And if you want more detailed info, just cat /proc/cpuinfo
[11:04] <O2> oh, thanks. I got it    598.xxx MHz!!   but my CPU is Pentium M 1.7GHz!  why it's slowed down
[11:05] <Nailor> Someone else had similiar problems with his toshiba
[11:05] <Nailor> Apparently that's a kernel/bios bug, but I can't guarantee it
[11:06] <O2> I think it's because PM cpu would do that for saving battery
[11:06] <O2> but how to disable this feature
[11:09] <Nailor> That's not propably the problem
[11:09] <Nailor> Since proc/cpuinfo should report the native frequency
[11:11] <O2> but my laptop is very cool now I find.    that must be it's running under low speed
[11:11] <Nailor> Well it propably runs at 600MHz
[11:11] <Nailor> But the problem is that it's not going to run faster, since the system thinks the maximum is 600
[11:11] <Nailor> But anyway, I have to go now. :)
[11:11] <Nailor> Try, for example, updating bios to latest revision. Might help
[11:12] <O2> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz
[11:12] <O2> cpu MHz         : 598.651
[11:12] <Nailor> Yeah, the latter (cpu MHz) should be 1.70 too
[11:13] <Nailor> Like in mine:
[11:13] <Nailor> model name      : Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T2400  @ 1.83GHz
[11:13] <Nailor> stepping        : 8
[11:13] <Nailor> cpu MHz         : 1829.143
[11:13] <Nailor> (my processors runs atm at 900Mhz)
[11:13] <Nailor> But anyway, got to go now. ->
[11:13] <O2> update bios.......    I don't know if my mb's bios is newest
[11:13] <O2> ok,  see you!
[11:27] <tormod>  Hi, I am debugging some hibernation trouble on my laptop, and I am looking through hibernate.sh, prepare.sh, resume.d. Can anyone tell me why laptop-mode is stopped when the machine resumes again?
[11:37] <tormod> ok an easier question: pressing the sleep button does nothing. From syslog: gnome-power-manager: Doing nothing because the suspend button has been pressed. I can not find any setting in Power Management Preferences to change this. Am I missing something?


[04:26] <mup> Bug #1623275 changed: neutron-gateway juju-agent lost forever <juju-core:Expired> <juju-core 1.25:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1623275>
[21:22] <thumper> babbageclunk: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6586
[21:24] <babbageclunk> thumper: ok - just going through your comments, looking at that in 2 mins.
[21:24] <thumper> babbageclunk: np
[21:24] <thumper> I'm just preparing another one :)
[21:36] <thumper> babbageclunk: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6587
[21:37] <babbageclunk> thumper: 6586 lgtm!
[21:37] <babbageclunk> thumper looking at the next
[21:37] <thumper> babbageclunk: it isn't big either
[21:43] <babbageclunk> thumper: 6587 looks good to - a minor typo in a comment.
[21:43] <babbageclunk> thumper: What's up with all the formatting breakage lately?
[21:44] <babbageclunk> thumper: I say all-the - this is the second instance I've seen in 2 days.
[21:46] <babbageclunk> thumper: can you rereview https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6573 since I've made your changes?
[22:01] <thumper> no idea, I thought the merge bot would reject poorly formatted proposals
[22:01] <thumper> yes, I can rereview
[22:01] <thumper> babbageclunk: why are your approvals not green ticks?
[22:11] <babbageclunk> thumper: not sure - maybe because I had a line comment as well?
[22:24]  * thumper shrugs
[22:51] <babbageclunk> thumper: man, what's going on with Mongo on Windows today?
[22:54] <thumper> it is always a bit screwy no?
[22:54] <babbageclunk> yeah, but two in a row seems excessive.
[23:15] <thumper> babbageclunk: hmm... the remove flag branch landed second time
[23:16] <babbageclunk> yay
[23:22] <thumper> babbageclunk: can you join our 1:1 hangout?
[23:22] <thumper> I need to talk something throguh
[23:22] <babbageclunk> sure