[12:01] <Ben2004uk> i really need to  sort this home network out
[12:03] <axxaa> Just Installed Kubuntu - Its awsome thanks to everybody involved.
[12:03] <LeeJunFan> You're welcome!
[12:03] <LeeJunFan> oh, wait - I had nothing to do with it :)
[12:03] <tmk> hmmm
[12:03] <tmk> is there a config too for grub?
[12:03] <tmk> tool
[12:04] <incubii> next release will be titles "Kubuntu 6.0 - Kickarse Kandy"
[12:04] <_ReDRuM_> tmk: vi :)
[12:04] <incubii> oh wait that could be shortened to KKK
[12:04] <LeeJunFan> or nano
[12:04] <tmk> mcedit
[12:04] <incubii> cat and sed
[12:05] <_ReDRuM_> vi!!!!
[12:05] <incubii> :D
[12:05] <Ben2004uk> should i....buy another machine to use it as a ubuntu/2003 server,  have a dvdrw, 300gb drive and use it as a fileserver
[12:05] <Ben2004uk> or use my windows xp machine with drive as a server
[12:05] <dimmak> anybody know how i can configure the popup launch menu to use just the win key? i have to use the win+something when i just want to use win
[12:05] <incubii> yes then give me your old machine, making us both happy at the same time
[12:05] <_ReDRuM_> Ben2004uk: naw, buy a 266 and buy me that machine...
[12:05] <LeeJunFan> Ben2004uk: depends on how often you want to have to reboot it I guess.
[12:05] <Ben2004uk> not very
[12:06] <Ben2004uk> main problem is i want it to be silent
[12:06] <LeeJunFan> Ben2004uk: take the fans out.
[12:06] <Ben2004uk> and this desktop isnt
[12:06] <incubii> get a cyrix
[12:06] <loren> wow
[12:06] <_ReDRuM_> Ben2004uk: you can get some good silent fans, silent viking is quite good
[12:06] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: elite.
[12:06] <loren> Ubuntu is giving out free cds
[12:06] <loren> that's like.... never been done before
[12:06] <Ben2004uk> theres only 1,  might be psu
[12:06] <incubii> yep
[12:06] <loren> hell yeah i love them now =D
[12:06] <_ReDRuM_> Ben2004uk: for the CPU fan
[12:07] <_ReDRuM_> the power supply i dont know a good silent one
[12:07] <Ben2004uk> hmmm cpu fan maybe
[12:07] <_ReDRuM_> silent viking is a good quiet cpu fan
[12:07] <loren> ah
[12:07] <Ben2004uk> hmmm and gpu
[12:07] <_ReDRuM_> ill sell you mine if you like since i put about 7 noisy fans in the same system :)
[12:07] <Ben2004uk> and this is why i was thinking of buying a decicated
[12:09] <_ReDRuM_> tbh these days buying a pc is cheaper than building it for most people
[12:09] <loren> i cant believe Ubuntu is cool enough to ship us CD's
[12:09] <loren> that just totally like.... that makes them rock
[12:09] <loren> they're gonna get so many installations
[12:09] <phxguy> yeah and they are completely FREE
[12:10] <loren> Free as in beer? rofl
[12:10] <phxguy> FREE FREE FREE yeah :0
[12:10] <loren> lol
[12:10] <phxguy> ha ha ha roflmao
[12:10] <incubii> "You requested 14 CDs. They will be shipped the following address:'
[12:10] <loren> i'm gonna give them to my friends, and leave a high reccomendation
[12:10] <incubii> wee
[12:10] <incubii> too bad i couldnt order 1 of each
[12:10] <loren> XD
[12:10] <incubii> :|
[12:10] <aseigo> Riddell: ping
[12:11] <loren> ok so i have to distribute 10 cds, easy
[12:11] <loren> well
[12:11] <loren> yeah 10 and leave 2 for myself
[12:11] <_ReDRuM_> yeh im satisfied... two minor bugs ive noticed in kubuntu, baghira theme doesnt draw the tops of windows properly (and doesnt if i compile it myself either) and superkurumba weather thing just draws a blank box tho it worked until i tried to change the city :/
[12:11] <_ReDRuM_> compared to most distros thats nothing
[12:11] <loren> my friend from australia is gonna be going crazy, he has to buy all his linux distros
[12:11] <incubii> al i wanted was 1 of each arch but shipit doesnt allow that
[12:11] <Riddell> aseigo: morning
[12:11] <loren> oh and he's in australia and can't download em coz he's on dialup
[12:12] <aseigo> Riddell: hey =) when can i use shipit to get kubuntu CDs?
[12:12] <dimmak> gross dialup
[12:12] <kakalto> perhaps I'll be using kubuntu sooner than I thought
[12:12] <Riddell> aseigo: http://kubuntu.org/faq.php
[12:12] <incubii> except when im at work
[12:12] <Riddell> :(
[12:12] <aseigo> Riddell: oh.. and your blog.. "A single download dialogue to replace all those file copying dialogues" you know that already exists, right?
[12:12] <dimmak> there are no nearby wireless networks for you to hop on in the outback?
[12:12] <loren> :(
[12:12] <kakalto> unless someone can tell me where in the ~/ directory I can find my xfce settings?
[12:12] <loren> i <3 Kubuntu
[12:12] <Riddell> aseigo: I know there's code for it but I didn't think it worked
[12:12] <incubii> that would require money to purchase a wireless card
[12:12] <gdh> :))
[12:12] <_ReDRuM_> ~/.xfce ? :)
[12:12] <aseigo> Riddell: "to say that actually I really would like to quit when I close the window" is also rubbish ;)
[12:13] <chavo> Yes I love the single download window for konq :)
[12:13] <kakalto> _ReDRuM_: nope
[12:13] <dimmak> 10 bucks on ebay for a lucent orinoco
[12:13] <_ReDRuM_> no idea then
[12:13] <aseigo> Riddell: i use the single window all the time
[12:13] <dimmak> my favorite card
[12:13] <incubii> id rather use our works connection
[12:13] <_ReDRuM_> use KDE
[12:13] <kakalto> _ReDRuM_: that's the obvious one, and it's not there
[12:13] <_ReDRuM_> hehe
[12:13] <kakalto> _ReDRuM_: it's to do with gnome not working
[12:13] <_ReDRuM_> KDE is the future
[12:13] <Riddell> aseigo: screenshot? where is this single window?
[12:13] <kakalto> xfce would work if it was installed
[12:13] <_ReDRuM_> gnomes belong in gardens :)
[12:13] <chavo> You have to enable it in the prefs.
[12:13] <dimmak> and you can hookup a nice pringles can or coffee can antenna and have a damn awesome wireless range
[12:13] <aseigo> Riddell: hrm... unfortunate about the shipit thing. why won't Ubuntu sponsor this?
[12:13] <Riddell> aseigo: why is it rubbish to want to quit when closing a window?
[12:13] <incubii> yeah ive done the pringles thing
[12:13] <Riddell> aseigo: because it costs a fortune I imagine
[12:14] <incubii> used it with a zaurus to reak havok on the wireless networks here
[12:14] <dimmak> coffee can is even more impressive
[12:14] <incubii> :d
[12:14] <gdh> Anyway I thought GNOME was a play on DNA .. the original helix GNOME project, etc. hence Ximian...
[12:14] <_ReDRuM_> kakalto: if it's to do with missing gnome files maybe getting some gnome package like gimp would fix it
[12:14] <dimmak> i haven't done the usb nic with a parabolic china wok yet though
[12:14] <incubii> lol
[12:14] <dimmak> but that is supposed to be even better
[12:14] <incubii> if that was serious, have you got a link
[12:15] <dimmak> and way easier... i just need to go to the 99 cent store and get one
[12:15] <aseigo> Riddell: in konqi, settings -> configure konqueror, Behaviour -> Show network options in a single window
[12:15] <aseigo> er, network operations
[12:15] <dimmak> i could find it somewhere
[12:15] <dimmak> brb
[12:16] <chavo> Riddell, http://2sdw.com/dialog.png
[12:16] <aseigo> Riddell: heh. "it costs a fortune" doesn't particularly answer the question though. how much more would it cost to have another set of number boxes for kubuntu? they're already creating and shipping 3 flavours of Ubuntu.
[12:16] <chavo> it works with local and remote file operations
[12:16] <dimmak> i just loaded all my wireless related links... i think it might be in there
[12:17] <Riddell> aseigo: well well, so it is.  that desperatly needs a better desriptive label
[12:17] <Riddell> aseigo: dunno, ask Mark Shuttleworth I guess
[12:19] <dimmak> incubii: while i am looking... the basic principle is that you center the wireless nic in the focus point of the parabola of any cookware that is of parabolic shape
[12:20] <LeeJunFan> dimmak: before you know it they'll be selling cookware with RF gain ratings on the lable.: )
[12:21] <incubii> i wanna see a light night american advert on aussie Tv selling that. with possibly gunth renker or george foreman
[12:22] <incubii> late*
[12:22] <netsniper> anyone know a good tool to see HDD data transfer speeds in the command line?
[12:22] <aseigo> hdparm?
[12:22] <aseigo> or bonnie++
[12:22] <netsniper> does it show it live?
[12:22] <aseigo> depending how much accuracy and detail you want
[12:23] <Riddell> aseigo: converted to kubuntu yet?
[12:23] <netsniper> which is mor ccureate?
[12:23] <netsniper> *accurate
[12:23] <Ben2004uk> :(
[12:23] <Ben2004uk> still dont know what to do
[12:24] <Ben2004uk> been trying to decide for ages now
[12:24] <gdh> incubii: As long as they have bad hair, it'll sell
[12:24] <netsniper> aseigo, I want something that shows it live like Gkrellm
[12:24] <netsniper> not a benchmark utility
[12:25] <LeeJunFan> netsniper: apt-get install sysstat
[12:26] <incubii> heh
[12:26] <netsniper> LeeJunFan, ahh let me try -- thanks man
[12:26] <netsniper> LeeJunFan, done -- but what command is it
[12:27] <LeeJunFan> iostat I think - it's been a while.
[12:27] <netsniper> LeeJunFan, the package has no man page
[12:27] <netsniper> LeeJunFan, sweet dude!
[12:27] <netsniper> that was it :-)
[12:28] <dimmak> incubii: this seems even more interesting than the link i was trying to find http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html
[12:29] <Bicchi> does kubuntu include the software that uses kde instead of gnome. like additional software (packages) or is everything downloaded online.
[12:29] <LeeJunFan> dimmak: parbolics normally yield more gain than yagi type antenna's.
[12:29] <gdh> Bicchi: all the 'important stuff' is onthe ISO
[12:30] <dimmak> true... like a light tower creates a spotlight
[12:30] <gdh> i.e. openoffice, media players, etc.
[12:30] <incubii> Bicchi the kubuntu CD contains KDE
[12:30] <dimmak> i just can't find the link to it at the moment
[12:31] <incubii> ah cool link
[12:31] <Bicchi> but does kubuntu include software for kde or do i have to download it latter?
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> dimmak: if you wanna spend some money and get a real antenna: http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/antennas_2400.php
[12:31] <dimmak> found it!!! http://www.usbwifi.orcon.net.nz/
[12:31] <dimmak> hell's no... poor man's antenna for me
[12:32] <incubii> real is for the people that dont like the cool factor :P
[12:32] <dimmak> and if i blow myself up... i want to be entirely responsible
[12:32] <gdh> Bicchi: It contains a complete KDE desktop
[12:32] <gdh> sure you CAN get extra stuff later
[12:33] <gdh> but the CD has everything you need to run a normal system
[12:33] <gdh> Kopete/Kontact/Konversation etc.
[12:33] <Bicchi> even programming stuff ?
[12:33] <LeeJunFan> I've made my own panel, horn, yagi, and omni antenna's for 2.4GHz but never a parabolic because I couldn't find a good source for a good parabolic reflector.
[12:33] <gdh> That's hardly an everyday task for 95% of users :)
[12:34] <gdh> no, Cervisia, Kdevelop, gcc et al are downloadable
[12:34] <Bicchi> gdh: so i am the 5%. now what?
[12:34] <gdh> from the 'universe' repository
[12:34] <kkathman> Anyone here running superkaramba thats willing to help me solve a prob?
[12:35] <gdh> synaptic handles this gracefully. kynaptic is still a bit early. uncomment the relevant line from your /etc/apt/sources.conf and then update your Kynaptic lists
[12:35] <Bicchi> gdh: is it easy to download and configure those apps once kubuntu is installed.
[12:35] <gdh> yes
[12:35] <gdh> mind-numbingly easy
[12:36] <incubii> yay just got the iso
[12:36] <incubii> time to burn it
[12:36] <LeeJunFan> If you install kubuntu you'll be sorry.
[12:37] <LeeJunFan> That you didn't try it sooner :)
[12:37] <netsniper> why, is kubuntu bad?
[12:37] <gdh> don't forget the release bug of expert mode automatically formatting the first hard disk it finds :)
[12:37] <kkathman> kubuntu is just fine
[12:37] <LeeJunFan> kubuntu is more than fine.
[12:38] <netsniper> is it better that standard ubntu?
[12:38] <netsniper> give details
[12:38] <netsniper> i have been running ubuntu wart/hoary for 6 months now
[12:38] <LeeJunFan> netsniper: that depends only on if you like KDE more than GNOME.
[12:38] <incubii> thats alright gdh its PPC kubuntu. no one gives a crap about OS X
[12:38] <gdh> LOL
[12:38] <incubii> :D
[12:39] <LeeJunFan> netsniper: kubuntu=ubuntu with KDE.
[12:39] <netsniper> right, but caounlt i just apt-get isntall kubuntu0base ?
[12:39] <netsniper> and i would have it?
[12:39] <LeeJunFan> netsniper: yes. apt-get install kubuntu-desktop I think.
[12:39] <netsniper> ahh cool, bu i cant still run the old gnome if i wanted to right?
[12:39] <netsniper> it doesnt overwrite everything/
[12:39] <LeeJunFan> netsniper: yes.
[12:39] <gdh> Of course you can.
[12:39] <kkathman> LeeJunFan, do you run superkaramba by any chance?
[12:40] <netsniper> heh
[12:40] <gdh> the two happily co-exist
[12:40] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: no, I downloaded it but wasn't impressed with it really. I'll stick with gkrellm for now.
[12:40] <incubii> theres 15 mice on this bloody desktop one of them must be connected to the Mac
[12:40] <gdh> you can even decide if you want gdm or kdmfor login
[12:40] <kkathman> LeeJunFan, well superkaramba is more than just monitors...its a whole desktop motif shell...but ok
[12:40] <netsniper> if i wanted to change over to see it, and then go back, what would i do?
[12:41] <gdh> remove the one youdon't like
[12:41] <gdh> it'll default to the other
[12:41] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: yeah, but I really only needed monitors :) And superk didn't do a good enough job on that front although it does look better.
[12:41] <kkathman> yah I was running gkrellm also, until I loaded superkaramba
[12:41] <LeeJunFan> netsniper: I think you should be able to update-alternatives to the other gdm.
[12:42] <netsniper> LeeJunFan, ahh thanks G :-P
[12:43] <netsniper> anyone have nvidia drivers working in hoary with a widescreen laptop?
[12:43] <netsniper> i think it is impossible
[12:44] <_ReDRuM_> kkathman: can you get the weather thing in superkaramba working?
[12:44] <_ReDRuM_> just gives me a blank box...
[12:44] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: I look outside if I want to know the weather
[12:44] <gdh> ... it works for me
[12:44] <_ReDRuM_> it's eyecandy
[12:45] <gdh> I find .jpgs to fill that role :)
[12:45] <dimmak> well if anybody needs to know how to get encrypted dvds playing, i have found the fix
[12:45] <dimmak> i think it is buried in the ubuntu wiki too
[12:45] <_ReDRuM_> how do you know it works then? :P
[12:45] <gdh> dimmak: submit it to the Wiki?
[12:45] <gdh> so that everyone can benefit rather than just the losers on here? :)
[12:45] <incubii> if you could get DVDs playing period on PPC id be most happy
[12:46] <dimmak> i didn't... but i can link to where i found it on the wiki... it should probably be in the main issues section
[12:46] <_ReDRuM_> gdh - what losers on here i only see one loser
[12:46] <gdh> haha :)
[12:46] <dimmak> i am rubber you are glue
[12:46] <gdh> ooh 7 years bad luck
[12:47] <_ReDRuM_> not supersticious :)
[12:47] <gdh> dimmak: you fight like a dairy farmer!
[12:47] <LeeJunFan> I just compiled libdvdcss and mine worked.
[12:47] <dimmak> a jolly rancher
[12:47] <gdh> LOL
[12:48] <dimmak> latency time on the ubuntu wiki page is really high for me
[12:48] <dimmak> anybody having similar issues?
[12:48] <_ReDRuM_> half the net is lagged up today i dunno wtf is goin on
[12:48] <gdh> yeh most Wikis seem to be incredibly slow... must just be popular being release-day
[12:48] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: everyone is downloading (k)ubuntu. :)
[12:48] <gdh> the ubuntu one has loads of reverse proxies in front of it any everything
[12:49] <dimmak> the correlation isn't too radical
[12:49] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: while playing frisbee with their free cds...
[12:49] <incubii> everything is high for me on dialup
[12:49] <loren> anyone have any idea how long it takes Kubuntu CD's to ship?
[12:49] <loren> just curious if anyone has a figure
[12:49] <_ReDRuM_> someone stick ubuntu wiki in the coral proxy
[12:49] <gdh> loren: They don't exist
[12:49] <gdh> loren: Shipit don't do Kubuntu CDs
[12:49] <loren> well Ubuntu
[12:49] <loren> or whatnot
[12:49] <gdh> no idea...
[12:50] <gdh> If you can download, download.
[12:50] <loren> lol
[12:50] <loren> then u could donate ;) lol
[12:50] <_ReDRuM_> hot of the press! new redhat enterprise linux!
[12:50] <loren> today?
[12:50] <_ReDRuM_> sales pitch
[12:50] <_ReDRuM_> give them a real OS
[12:50] <_ReDRuM_> they'll never know
[12:50] <_ReDRuM_> kubuntu everywhere
[12:51] <loren> XD
[12:51] <incubii> lol
[12:51] <loren> very yes
[12:51] <Riddell> loren: there isn't shipit for kubuntu
[12:51] <loren> San Francisco Bay Area celebrates "Penguin Day"
[12:51] <loren> Next Tuesday, non-profit organizations and Open Source experts and advocates in the San Francisco Bay Area will gather together in honor of "Penguin Day" 2005.
[12:51] <loren> The event aims to "demystify open source, frankly address the challenges of developing open source tools, and learn about specific promising open source applications," say event supporters.
[12:52] <loren> XD but the cds have KDE in it right?
[12:52] <gdh> loren: No.
[12:52] <loren> gah
[12:52] <gdh> Kubuntu exists mainly because you can't fit base + X + KDE + GNOME in 700MB
[12:52] <loren> "Ubuntu 5.04 (The Hoary Hedgehog Release) IS OUT! Download here. Like last time, we're sending out pressed CDs at no cost as well. Sign up for these at shipit.ubuntulinux.org"
[12:53] <tempus> as new kubuntu user i have a Q after the install it said something like there was a problem during the install please try and install the packages again but i dont know witch package =) is there a logg or somthing ?
[12:53] <dimmak> yeah shipping a free product for free is quite an investment into the community
[12:54] <gdh> :)
[12:54] <_ReDRuM_> and an interestic tactic to grab market share
[12:54] <dimmak> well i promise not to run away unless i find something better... so you have my conditional loyalty
[12:54] <loren> exactly
[12:55] <loren> i hope they do grab the market
[12:55] <loren> i use em
[12:56] <LeeJunFan> tempus: /var/log/installer ?
[12:56] <_ReDRuM_> i do too
[12:56] <tempus> ill take a look =) thx
[12:57] <_ReDRuM_> they have that "google good practice" thing going on and its a nice OS to boot
[01:03] <incubii> hmm even expert install doesnt ask for proxy :|
[01:09] <StevenR> Riddell: we were talking about kynaptic last night in pub...would kpackage not do the job of a gui package manager?
[01:09] <loren> i like kpackage
[01:09] <loren> kyanptic sucks
[01:10] <Riddell> StevenR: it would but people find it more difficult to use (some people love it of course), it's not that well maintained and it requires su which we don't do
[01:10] <Riddell> but like loren says :)
[01:10] <gdh> kynaptic is a bit 'duh' :)
[01:10] <StevenR> Riddell: i see
[01:10] <dimmak> i have no problems with kynaptic
[01:10] <loren> hehe
[01:11] <loren> Riddel: it's graphically ok but in kubuntu it can't even install .deb files can it? how practical is that
[01:11] <gdh> Even just adding synaptic's 'which repositories do you want?'  would be really helpful
[01:11] <dimmak> i see
[01:14] <StevenR> what does kubuntu come with in the way of admin tools?
[01:14] <incubii> vi
[01:14] <incubii> :D
[01:15] <StevenR> always useful in an emergency, if vim is corrupt
[01:15] <incubii> kde-admin-tools
[01:15] <incubii> i think
[01:15] <StevenR> incubii: ?
[01:15] <StevenR> kuser, etc?
[01:16] <incubii> i think they are default, i think kde admin is extra stuff, though imn probably wrong
[01:16] <StevenR> can you clarify Riddell ?
[01:16] <Riddell> kuser, knetworkconf
[01:17] <tempus> i dont get the SU thing =P if i wanna run apt-get from a terminal i type su first but get Authentication failure when i type my password
[01:18] <Riddell> tempus: sudo apt-get install foo
[01:18] <tempus> thx
[01:22] <incubii> is you wanna use su
[01:22] <incubii> sudo passwd root
[01:22] <tempus> thx its just old habbits die hard =))
[01:23] <incubii> that they do
[01:25] <tempus> =)
[01:26] <incubii> either that or allow proxy entry
[01:26] <incubii> then id have the updates in about 5 seconds
[01:26] <incubii> :D
[01:27] <tempus> how do i search packages with apt ?
[01:27] <uniq> apt-cache search whattosearchfor
[01:28] <gdh> apt-cache search blah
[01:28] <tempus> k thx
[01:28] <gdh> does search take regexes?
[01:28] <incubii> i dunno i search for apple and i get apple oranges and banana
[01:28] <uniq> yes.
[01:28] <uniq> it does.
[01:28] <incubii> despite orange and banana not mentioning appl
[01:29] <gdh> cool
[01:29] <uniq> incubii: it searches description too.. not just the name.
[01:29] <uniq> add --names-only
[01:30] <uniq> if you'd like that.
[01:30] <incubii> ah
[01:30] <incubii> that would be handy
[01:31] <uniq> alt+f2  #apt-cache
[01:31] <uniq> for more details.
[01:34] <gdh> oo that's a cool trick
[01:34] <gdh> who decided on # as an alias for 'man' ?
[01:35] <uniq> dunno.
[01:47] <incubii> hmm i should try remastering my own kubuntu
[01:47] <incubii> geta n sys/net admin one going
[01:47] <incubii> :D
[01:47] <incubii> something liek auditor
[01:49] <tempus> is there more repos ? like linuxpackages.net or rpmfind etc
[01:50] <incubii> # as an alias to man sounds like a webshortcut
[01:50] <incubii> like ggl is goold im feelin lucky
[01:51] <incubii> google*
[01:51] <tempus> goggle 4tehwin ^^
[01:51] <gdh> tempus: More than universe + multiverse?
[01:52] <tempus> ok thats sounds like something i didnt know about =)
[01:52] <incubii> lol
[01:52] <incubii> man i been waitin almost 30 mins now for this update process to timeout
[01:52] <incubii> :(
[01:52] <tempus> =/
[01:53] <incubii> u think it could take a hint
[01:53] <incubii> apt-get install some-clues
[01:53] <gdh> tempus: uncomment the relevant lines from /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:53] <gdh> then apt-get update
[01:54] <tempus> k thx
[01:54] <gdh> main is on the CD, universe has 4x more extra s/ware than on the CD
[01:54] <tempus> and im guessing mutiverse is bleeding ?
[01:54] <gdh> nop, mul is non-free
[01:54] <gdh> obvious, huh? :|
[01:54] <tempus> ah
[01:55] <gdh> so expect the usual flash-player in there etc.
[01:56] <tempus> thx =) im new to deb
[01:56] <incubii> except if you use PPC
[01:56] <incubii> then u dont get squat
[01:56] <incubii> :D
[01:57] <gdh> of course, but if the Mac weenies find you have PPC and not using OS X, they'll hang you up by a very tastefully designed and shiny rope.
[01:57] <gdh> iRope
[01:57] <incubii> oh i tell them all the time
[01:57] <incubii> i piss them off more by running mac-on-linux
[01:57] <incubii> :D
[01:57] <gdh> cool :)
[01:57] <tempus> hehe
[01:57] <gdh> 'genie effect' - please FOAD.
[01:58] <incubii> i have to admin OS X boxes
[01:58] <incubii> so im looking forward to 10.4
[01:58] <incubii> only cause i get it for free
[02:01] <incubii> heh i like that exit
[02:04] <tempus> well im getting the hang of this now =)
[02:06] <incubii> yay it just timed out!
[02:06] <incubii> now i can reboot an update
[02:06] <incubii> lol
[02:06] <tempus> yay gratz =))
[02:06] <incubii> bout freakin bloody time
[02:06] <incubii> been using array 5
[02:06] <incubii> :D
[02:07] <gdh> I wonder if there's an env variable you can shoehorn into the start of the installer
[02:07] <gdh> something liek running the installer in virtual terminal 2 after exporing HTTP_PROXY ...
[02:07] <incubii> well debian sarge asks for the proxy, and ubuntu installer is based on it
[02:07] <incubii> so hopefulyl the next release will hav eit
[02:07] <gdh> I guess it was removed as a 'scary' question for noobies
[02:08] <incubii> its not even in expert mode
[02:08] <gdh> 'Contact my network administrator!?!! wtf!?!?!?!'
[02:08] <incubii> :|
[02:08] <tempus> hey dont pick on the noob <--- =))
[02:08] <_ReDRuM_> at least ubuntu didnt try and disable console
[02:08] <_ReDRuM_> you have to screw around with fedora to get console in install
[02:08] <dimmak> i am setting up an ubuntu box right now to play with
[02:08] <incubii> its only a niggly thing anyway. just means i have to leave me seat and go do something :((
[02:09] <tempus> the leaveing the seat thing is never good
[02:10] <incubii> i know the seat started taking on its original form!
[02:10] <tempus> and it gets cold *brrr*
[02:10] <gdh> Ubuntu installer encourages caffeine and snacking.
[02:10] <gdh> that was one of the original goals for the Ubuntu project.
[02:10] <incubii> maybe each CD should come with a mars bar and a jolt cola
[02:10] <gdh> don't you people read anything? ;) tsk :))))
[02:11] <incubii> lol
[02:11] <tempus> hehe
[02:11] <incubii> i never read goals
[02:11] <incubii> they all say the same thing
[02:11] <incubii> "i am the best use me"
[02:11] <gdh> True :)
[02:12] <incubii> even corel linux says that
[02:12] <gdh> Yum, pre-Prodigy
[02:12] <tempus> well i better get some sleep tanking my daughter dancing tomorrow =)
[02:12] <incubii> what sort of dance
[02:13] <tempus> shes 4 so its mostly running around =)
[02:13] <gdh> tempus: g'night - make sure you have tutu all ready for the big day :)
[02:13] <incubii> lol
[02:13] <incubii> have fun
[02:13] <gdh> you suit pink frills so nicely
[02:13] <tempus> thx ^^ nite nite
[02:15] <incubii> everyone seems to use konversation
[02:15] <incubii> maybe i should take a hint
[02:16] <gdh> It's very good
[02:16] <gdh> knocks ksIRC for six
[02:16] <incubii> i use xchat :)
[02:16] <gdh> certainly a drop-in replacement for XChat
[02:16] <gdh> heh :)
[02:17] <incubii> all my perl scripts i have require xchat
[02:17] <incubii> dunno if i really wanna re-write them
[02:18] <gdh> I've not looked into Konv's scripting capabilities, but they must be present...
[02:19] <gdh> File -> KDE Scripts -> Test Shell Script
[02:19] <gdh> is there..
[02:19] <incubii> ah
[02:19] <gdh> so there's /some/ kind of hook present
[02:21] <uniq> anyone figured out how to remove the names from the nicklist? not the nicks, but the names..
[02:21] <uniq> i konv..
[02:21] <uniq> I couldn't stand it..
[02:23] <_ReDRuM_> hmm anyone know why azureus thinks its still running when it isnt?
[02:23] <incubii> im currently using CGI:IRC
[02:23] <incubii> :)
[02:25] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: Because it's Java and therefore gh3y? :)
[02:25] <_ReDRuM_> there's no better torrent client for linux unfortunately
[02:25] <_ReDRuM_> azureus is my vcr, ive got to fix it
[02:25] <gdh> screen ?
[02:26] <gdh> and bittornado etc. ?
[02:26] <_ReDRuM_> what screen with some python process running on a seperate port for each torrent
[02:26] <_ReDRuM_> ...
[02:26] <incubii> whats kopete compared like to gaim
[02:26] <_ReDRuM_> no thanks
[02:26] <gdh> Oh yeh :)
[02:26] <gdh> and would still eat less than Java
[02:26] <gdh> incubii: Generally more pleasant
[02:26] <_ReDRuM_> and doesnt let you select individual files in torrents either
[02:26] <_ReDRuM_> both sucky clients
[02:26] <_ReDRuM_> java is the only worthwhile one on linux
[02:28] <Kortor> hi
[02:28] <malignosama> Hi, does anybody knows about sharing files in kde?
[02:28] <Kortor> do normal .deb packages worn on kubuntu?
[02:28] <malignosama> need help
[02:28] <Kortor> or does it have its own type of package or does it need special .deb packages?
[02:29] <gdh> any 'special' factor willbe due to dependencies
[02:29] <incubii> is the guy who wanted those cool look fonts for kubuntu in here ?
[02:29] <gdh> it uses the same .deb file format
[02:30] <Kortor> okay, thanks
[02:30] <Kortor> hmmm...
[02:30] <Kortor> so if I added the debian package source to my sources list, could I apt-get things from there?
[02:30] <uniq> yes, but it's not recommended..
[02:30] <uniq> atleast pin it down.
[02:31] <Kortor> okay, I wont
[02:31] <malignosama> I did that, and everything got wrong
[02:31] <Kortor> yeah, it would probably try and "update" my system files
[02:31] <Kortor> heh
[02:31] <Kortor> anyway
[02:31] <uniq> no..
[02:31] <uniq> not if you pin it down.
[02:31] <Kortor> shrug
[02:31] <Kortor> well, I don't even know what that means
[02:31] <Kortor> and I meant if I didn't
[02:31] <uniq> add 3 lines to /etc/apt/preferences
[02:31] <jimmyw> well everyone , whats the new kubuntu like? im downloadin at the mo
[02:32] <uniq> Package: *
[02:32] <incubii> it rocks your jocks
[02:32] <Kortor> I just wont bother with it. I'm sure kubuntu has everythign I need.
[02:32] <uniq> Pin: origin ftp.debian.org
[02:32] <uniq> Pin-Priority: 50
[02:32] <loren> hmmh i should download it as well
[02:32] <loren> would be a good idea
[02:32] <uniq> for example.
[02:32] <malignosama> Has anybody had problems trying to share directories in kde?
[02:32] <Kortor> what are universe and multiverse in relation to packages
[02:32] <loren> can we upgrade to the official stable release?
[02:32] <incubii> multiverse = non-free
[02:32] <jimmyw> can ya install kubuntu from the live cd like mepis? or do ya have to download install cd?
[02:33] <loren> nope but then again havn't tried to share dirs
[02:33] <uniq> kortor: if it doesn't, please add it to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuSuggestedPackages
[02:33] <incubii> universe = contrib
[02:34] <gdh> given the amount in universe I thought it was simply 'the rest of main which didn't fit on the CD'
[02:34] <uniq> loren: yes you can.
[02:34] <jimmyw> anyone know?
[02:34] <Kortor> and what is multiverse?
[02:34] <_ReDRuM_> #azureus is the gayest channel ever
[02:34] <gdh> 2MB of contrib .gzipped?
[02:34] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: whatever isnt in universe :)
[02:34] <jimmyw> uniq, were you talkin to me?
[02:34] <gdh> multiverse is non-free
[02:34] <Kortor> ah
[02:34] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: oh thats what it is :)
[02:34] <Kortor> thanks
[02:34] <gdh> flash-player, and friends
[02:34] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: someone should sneak sun jre in there...
[02:35] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: or hurry the hell up with a truly free JRE :)
[02:35] <Kortor> so, does that mean multiverse is things I would normally have to pay for if I didn't get them from there?
[02:35] <uniq> jimmyw: no, but i don't think you can install from the livecd.. haven't tried the livecd my self.. but my guess is that you can't.
[02:35] <gdh> Kortor: nono, non-free as in not free software
[02:35] <_ReDRuM_> i tried running azureus with the free jre that comes with kubuntu
[02:35] <gdh> Kortor: free != price etc.
[02:35] <_ReDRuM_> doesnt work needless to say
[02:35] <_ReDRuM_> whats wrong with blackdown?
[02:36] <Kortor> gdh: Ah... so it's not illegal to get it?
[02:36] <gdh> Kortor: if it were illegal it wouldn't be there
[02:36] <jimmyw> uniq, ok , thanks , and why should i try kubuntu instead of just apt-getting kde in ubuntu?
[02:36] <gdh> Kortor: Please read http://www.debian.org/intro/free
[02:36] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: whats wrong with blackdown jre?
[02:36] <Kortor> gdh: Heh. Just wanted to check. So you mean non-free as in closed source?
[02:36] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: No idea, I don't use any Java
[02:36] <_ReDRuM_> its opensource and its about as good as suns...
[02:36] <uniq> jimmyw: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu will give you kubuntu.
[02:36] <gdh> Last I looked, Blackdown didn't work with any glibc 2.3
[02:37] <uniq> jimmyw: no need to download the cd :)
[02:37] <gdh> last update was 2 years ago or something
[02:37] <uniq> iso-image anyway..
[02:37] <jimmyw> uniq,  but is there any reason why kubuntu is better than ubuntu?
[02:37] <loren> it being "better" is oppinion
[02:37] <loren> and in my oppinion i prefer it over ubuntu
[02:37] <_ReDRuM_> it's only a few vers behind sun, and its a lot more useful than that sketchy java thing in the ubuntu repo
[02:38] <gdh> jimmyw: kubuntu vs. ubuntu is simply KDE vs. GNOME except in a pre-packaged format
[02:38] <uniq> jimmyw: it uses KDE as desktop environment.. instead of gnome.. as default.. if you like KDE, kubuntu is better. If you like gnome, ubuntu is better.
[02:38] <gdh> so, whichever you prefer - go with that ISO
[02:38] <Kortor> Can I upgrade to the newest version of kubuntu with apt-get update, apt-get upgrade like I could with Debian? I had the misfortune of installing Kubuntu the day before the new one was released
[02:38] <gdh> You can easily install a GNOME desktop to Kubuntu, and easily install a KDE desktop to Ubuntu
[02:39] <gdh> Kortor: Of course you can :)
[02:39] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: yeh
[02:39] <gdh> that's the joy of it
[02:39] <_ReDRuM_> however i dont think much changed..
[02:39] <uniq> jimmyw: when you've installed ubuntu.. you can easily try kubuntu with apt-get install kubuntu-desktop.. and the other way around with apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:39] <jimmyw> oh right
[02:39] <Kortor> gdh: Okay, thanks. :D
[02:40] <gdh> =)
[02:40] <Kortor> What is the difference between k/ubuntu and Debian? Is it just mostly different packages come with it, or are there other things too?
[02:41] <loren> it has a lot of the different packages and mods
[02:41] <gdh> The difference is the speed of development and customisation
[02:41] <loren> debian erm has a lot of crap inbetween and takes more effort to mod to become usable in my oppinion
[02:41] <gdh> Ubuntu is focused squarely at the desktop
[02:42] <gdh> and focused on i386, PPC and AMD64
[02:42] <gdh> Debian provides an all-purpose OS for a billion architectures
[02:42] <Kortor> okay
[02:42] <Kortor> sounds great
[02:43] <Kortor> and I heard k/ubuntu is updated frequently, a lot more frequently than debian, is this true?
[02:43] <gdh> yes
[02:43] <Kortor> great
[02:43] <Kortor> sounds perfect
[02:44] <gdh> 4.10 was released in Oct 2004
[02:44] <gdh> 5.04 was released today
[02:44] <gdh> so, about 6 months per major release
[02:45] <Kortor> sounds good
[02:45] <gdh> for a desktop OS I think that's a nice tradeoff of stability versus features
[02:45] <Kortor> a lot better than Debian
[02:45] <gdh> Debian woody is great for servers :)
[02:45] <Kortor> Heh.
[02:45] <uniq> I can second that.
[02:45] <Kortor> To me, though, features are a lot more important than stability, as long as its more stable than Windows. :P
[02:45] <gdh> I can do without a major upgrade to 50 machines every year, thanks :)
[02:46] <uniq> same.
[02:46] <Kortor> haha
[02:46] <uniq> I don't have 40 machines at the moment.. but anyway.
[02:46] <uniq> s/40/50/
[02:47] <gdh> Nor I. Forgot the 30 workstations share the same rootfs :)
[02:47] <gdh> but hey 50 sounds cooler
[02:47] <Kortor> yeah
[02:47] <Kortor> its a nice number
[02:47] <Kortor> :P
[02:47] <Kortor> multiple of 10 and 5!
[02:47] <gdh> who'd have thought =)
[02:48] <Kortor> not i
[02:48] <incubii> excellent got most of my apps installed now :d
[02:49] <Kortor> a friend of mine tried to tell me you can hack peoples' websites with "a 1337 hax0r program called TextEdit!"
[02:49] <Kortor> im sure HE never would have though
[02:49] <Kortor> thought
[02:49] <gdh> incubii: I think there'll be a cure for dialup someday...
[02:49] <Kortor> shudder
[02:49] <gdh> It's called 'civilisation'
[02:49] <incubii> lol
[02:49] <Kortor> dialup is like a disease
[02:49] <Kortor> im inflicted
[02:49] <incubii> yeah more money
[02:49] <incubii> then i can afford adsl
[02:50] <gdh> broadband is as basic a utility as water + electricity :)
[02:50] <incubii> omg
[02:50] <incubii> they fixed the xpallete issue on ppc
[02:50] <Kortor> ...
[02:50] <Kortor> dialup
[02:50] <uniq> .. not for long though.
[02:51] <incubii> i take my HDD to work to upgrade, uniq
[02:51] <incubii> ;)
[02:51] <uniq> I don't live here.. my parents do.
[02:51] <uniq> I've got my 2mbps connection just waiting for me to get back home.. monday.
[02:51] <gdh> I have 1Mbps here and 2x 100Mbps at work :)
[02:51] <incubii> boo udev is broken again
[02:52] <uniq> 2x100 is nice.
[02:52] <crimsun> "broken again"?
[02:52] <gdh> BGP still scares me :)
[02:52] <gdh> current task is to put in a failover firewall / router box
[02:52] <incubii> yes in kubuntu before RC i upgraded udev and KDe didnt take 5 mins to login
[02:52] <Kortor> yeah, I have a broadband that I just don't have access too atm
[02:52] <Kortor> that's also my comp with kubuntu
[02:52] <incubii> now it takes 5 mins to login again with the release
[02:53] <Kortor> im too cheap to buy a new modem, and this pos came wit a winmodem
[02:53] <crimsun> 5.04 works fine here
[02:53] <incubii> are you on PPC
[02:53] <_ReDRuM_> hmm
[02:53] <_ReDRuM_> never realised NFS was so fast
[02:53] <_ReDRuM_> that must be the first time i've ever seen the ethernet card actually do 100mbit
[02:54] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: yeh but it's swapping every bit of your data :)
[02:54] <_ReDRuM_> let it
[02:54] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: sure beats samba eh? :)
[02:54] <_ReDRuM_> sure does
[02:54] <gdh> SMB/CIFS is a travesty :/
[02:54] <_ReDRuM_> easier to setup too
[02:55] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: what I don't understand is how samba seems to be slower between 2 windows machines than a linux and a windows machine.
[02:55] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: very odd :)
[02:55] <_ReDRuM_> i've never got more than about 6 megabytes a sec from CIFS
[02:55] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: I mean the obvious is that it's windows :)
[02:56] <_ReDRuM_> was actually getting 11 this time
[02:56] <gdh> yum
[02:56] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: yeh thats odd too tho considering win 2k3 has a decent network stack must be the protocol
[02:56] <gdh> I have a shitty hub upstairs I need to change for a shitty switch instead =)
[02:56] <LeeJunFan> gdh: apt
[02:56] <LeeJunFan> :)
[02:56] <gdh> LeeJunFan: hah =)
[02:56] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: i've got some $15 switch and it works fine :)
[02:56] <incubii> lol
[02:56] <incubii> apt-get install uber-network
[02:57] <gdh> yeh I have a handful of USB-powred 8-port $10 crap here
[02:57] <gdh> and they all happily forward a full 10-11MB/sec..
[02:57] <gdh> need another one :)
[02:57] <_ReDRuM_> ... why usb power a hub ?
[02:57] <gdh> saves another wall-wart + electricity
[02:58] <gdh> if there's a machine nearby it which is on all thetime anyway, etc....
[02:58] <_ReDRuM_> power adapters :)
[02:58] <gdh> Erk :)
[02:58] <_ReDRuM_> never had a problem
[02:58] <_ReDRuM_> people always look at it like "err scarey"
[02:58] <_ReDRuM_> but works just fine :)
[02:59] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: when you do, I'm sure the fire marshall will let you know it. :)
[02:59] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[02:59] <Kortor> bah, I forgot to write down what I did to my konsole on debian
[02:59] <_ReDRuM_> mostly low drain devices anyway
[02:59] <Kortor> I did this really awesome thing to konsole, so it slid down from the top of the screen when I moved my mouse to the top
[03:00] <_ReDRuM_> kortor - cool
[03:00] <Kortor> but I lost it. im gonna have to go google for it
[03:00] <Kortor> since I deleted Debian for Kubuntu yesterday
[03:00] <gdh> erk, didn't keep a backup of your homedir even?
[03:01] <uniq> well.. bed..
[03:01] <_ReDRuM_> is it a tweak or an addon?
[03:01] <uniq> good night.
[03:01] <_ReDRuM_> uniq: nite
[03:01] <gdh> nn
[03:01] <_ReDRuM_> nest tweak i found so far is enabling the search filter in konquerer
[03:01] <Kortor> its not an addon
[03:02] <Kortor> it was window behavior
[03:02] <Tm_T> hm
[03:02] <Tm_T> ha, auto-shade ?
[03:02] <Kortor> _ReDRuM: I'm looking for it, but no luck so far. If you find it before I do, wanna give me the addy?
[03:03] <_ReDRuM_> maybe its autoshade..
[03:03] <Kortor> gdh: My harddrive was full so I couldn't have done it.
[03:03] <_ReDRuM_> yeh was going to
[03:03] <Kortor> what is autoshade?
[03:03] <_ReDRuM_> your tweal
[03:03] <_ReDRuM_> illl tell you one thing, its not "force window to be menu bar"
[03:03] <Tm_T> =)
[03:03] <Kortor> I remember it involved shades
[03:04] <gdh> Kortor: LOL I wish my data was so disposable as to be reformattable when my HD gets full :)
[03:04] <Kortor> gdh: Heh
[03:04] <Kortor> gdh: The only thing I had NOT disposable was this thing with Konsole. :P
[03:05] <_ReDRuM_> condifigure window behavior -> advanced -> shading -> enable hover
[03:05] <Kortor> ah
[03:05] <Tm_T> jeah
[03:05] <Kortor> yeah, it was really nice
[03:05] <Tm_T> unshade on focus and so on
[03:05] <Kortor> because I changed position so none of the borders showed
[03:05] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: now how do i make it automaticall roll up when im not using it? :)
[03:05] <gdh> Joys of KDE.. GNOME would have dictated that feature was non-desirable and hence not available
[03:06] <_ReDRuM_> oh
[03:06] <_ReDRuM_> it just does :)
[03:06] <Kortor> haha
[03:06] <Tm_T> whoa
[03:06] <Kortor> yeah, it was really sweet
[03:06] <Kortor> especially what I did to the position
[03:06] <Kortor> oh bother. I forgot I lost my bookmarks
[03:06] <Kortor> or I could show you what it looked like
[03:06] <_ReDRuM_> this is sweet
[03:06] <_ReDRuM_> thanks kotor :
[03:06] <_ReDRuM_> :)
[03:06] <Tm_T> haha
[03:06] <Kortor> haha
[03:06] <Tm_T> KDE <3
[03:07] <Kortor> yeah, then change the position so it hides the borders
[03:07] <_ReDRuM_> the most productive environment to idle in ever
[03:07] <Kortor> the left and right borders
[03:07] <Kortor> and make sure it shows on all desktops
[03:07] <_ReDRuM_> hmm i like the borders...
[03:07] <Tm_T> all it's missing is true transparent background in konsole
[03:07] <Kortor> you LIKE the borders?
[03:07] <_ReDRuM_> yeh with my mac looking theme :)
[03:07] <Kortor> shudder
[03:07] <Kortor> Mac OSX made of ugly
[03:08] <_ReDRuM_> not as good as baghira, but baghira screws up in kubuntu
[03:08] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: no it's not
[03:08] <_ReDRuM_> it does on my box
[03:08] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: I use baghira =)
[03:08] <_ReDRuM_> tried installing the package and then i tried compiling it myself
[03:08] <Tm_T> heh
[03:08] <_ReDRuM_> both times the title bars of the windows were missing
[03:08] <Kortor> did you change the top position so it removed the minimize/maximize/close buttons?
[03:08] <Kortor> on konsole
[03:08] <_ReDRuM_> no i left them there
[03:09] <Kortor> ewwww
[03:09] <Kortor> :P
[03:09] <_ReDRuM_> just stuck it like a window blind above the chat window
[03:09] <Kortor> I moved that up and all the borders
[03:09] <Kortor> so it actually popped out from the top of the screen
[03:09] <Kortor> completely hidden when I didn't want it
[03:09] <_ReDRuM_> hmm
[03:09] <Tm_T> wait a second, I take capture of my desk
[03:09] <kakalto> can I make 2 bars in KDE?
[03:09] <_ReDRuM_> i dont mind seeing it there
[03:09] <kakalto> like, one at top, one bottom
[03:09] <_ReDRuM_> but that does sound sharp
[03:10] <Kortor> its really nice. :P
[03:10] <kakalto> ?
[03:10] <Kortor> g2g though
[03:10] <incubii> hmm i tried to use kynaptic and now its installing everything with no progress window
[03:10] <Kortor> bye
[03:10] <incubii> weee
[03:11] <Tm_T> sweet ;) http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/capture.png
[03:11] <kakalto> can I make 2 different bars in kde?
[03:12] <Tm_T> kakalto: bars?
[03:12] <kakalto> like, you have 1 bar at the bottom as default
[03:12] <kakalto> can you have 2 bars?
[03:12] <Tm_T> you mean panels?
[03:12] <Tm_T> yes
[03:12] <kakalto> yeah
[03:12] <kakalto> bars, panels, they're called something different for anything you go to
[03:12] <Tm_T> yes
[03:13] <kakalto> how?
[03:13] <_ReDRuM_> it wont let me turn off the borders
[03:13] <Tm_T> rightclick on panel -> add to panel -> panel ->
[03:14] <_ReDRuM_> how thick is that - i was doing it in advanced settings all i had to do was right click and "remove borders"
[03:14] <Tm_T> heh
[03:14] <_ReDRuM_> cant make it shade without borders :/
[03:14] <kakalto> TM_T, thanks. I didn't expect it to be under that menu.
[03:14] <Tm_T> kakalto: np
[03:14] <incubii> lol
[03:15] <Tm_T> I see it wasn't bad idea to come here
[03:15] <incubii> does anyone NOT use virtual desktops ?
[03:15] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: you bastard youve got my theme :)
[03:15] <Tm_T> haha
[03:15] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: theyre the best thing ever
[03:15] <incubii> i cant stand them
[03:15] <Tm_T> haha
[03:16] <incubii> though it kinda makes kompose almost useless
[03:16] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: when you open 20 firefox tabs nextime and its on two different subjects, send one to a seperate desktop, much less clutter
[03:16] <incubii> yeah i guess
[03:16] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: I did chanced many things to look nice with that theme ;)
[03:17] <incubii> what are these novola icons like ?
[03:17] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: i usually put chat and junk on windows 1, videos and azureus on window 2, shell and research on window 3, code on window 4 (s/window/desktop/)
[03:17] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: di ya like that background?
[03:17] <incubii> sounds like a plan
[03:18] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: its ok
[03:18] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: heh.
[03:18] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: I use shell irc clients at mostly ;)
[03:18] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: I tried gimp for awhile, not too bad to be my "art"
[03:18] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: i'm glad you noticed that i did draw a distinction :)
[03:19] <Tm_T> how many use IRSSI in here?
[03:19] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: i'll see if i can find my favorite background (i use irssi when i use console for irc which isnt too often)
[03:19] <Tm_T> hah
[03:20] <Tm_T> irssi <3
[03:20] <gdh> =)
[03:20] <incubii> i use a fork of IRSSI for Dr Dos 7.03
[03:20] <incubii> :D
[03:20] <gdh> gosh that's a bit 1337
[03:20] <gdh> I'm using it on CP/M
[03:20] <Tm_T> I used irssi in win32 =)
[03:20] <incubii> lol gdh i really do use it on dos
[03:20] <Tm_T> I even use Irssi in cell sometimes
[03:21] <incubii> i use dos on my media player
[03:21] <gdh> incubii: heh :)
[03:21] <gdh> I guess why > how....
[03:21] <gdh> right, anyway....
[03:21] <gdh> time to fade - nn
[03:21] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I open another irssi for freenode
[03:22] <incubii> damn vegastriek is huge
[03:22] <_ReDRuM_> how do you flick windows quickly in irssi anyhow?
[03:22] <_ReDRuM_> typing /window next is annoying
[03:23] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: hah, metakey+number
[03:23] <_ReDRuM_> great. now if they can work a proper nicklist into it maybe ill use it more :)
[03:23] <Tm_T> imho irssi is the most easytouse client
[03:23] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: why you need nicklist?
[03:23] <Tm_T> yes, it's possible
[03:23] <_ReDRuM_> dont need just like
[03:23] <Tm_T> ok
[03:24] <Tm_T> I think it's waste of my precious monitor time ;p
[03:24] <incubii> lol
[03:25] <kakalto> I could live with this
[03:25] <kakalto> I didn't used to be a kde man
[03:25] <Tm_T> ah, now I can close this gaim "chat" =)
[03:25] <kakalto> but I am now
[03:25] <Tm_T> heh
[03:25] <kakalto> now my kde looks like my xfce did :D
[03:26] <_ReDRuM_> here this is my background
[03:26] <incubii> lol
[03:26] <_ReDRuM_> its not for everyone but i like it :)
[03:26] <Tm_T-> thanks
[03:26] <Tm_T-> aint moving
[03:26] <kakalto> Congratulations to the kubuntu team, for making me like kde :D
[03:26] <Tm_T-> _ReDRuM_: send to me
[03:26] <Tm_T-> oh
[03:27] <_ReDRuM_> skills
[03:27] <Tm_T-> heh
[03:27] <Tm_T-> send me
[03:27] <_ReDRuM_> howd you make the default behavoir of windows to be roll up?
[03:27] <kakalto> how do I lock everything in place?
[03:27] <kakalto> so there isn't all those annoying buttons
[03:28] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T-: my problem
[03:28] <Tm_T-> kakalto: what buttons?
[03:28] <Tm_T-> _ReDRuM_: roger that
[03:28] <_ReDRuM_> DHCP changed my IP and i havent got a crontab to alter the firewall rules yet
[03:29] <Tm_T-> _ReDRuM_: use firestarter?
[03:30] <_ReDRuM_> that should work...
[03:30] <_ReDRuM_> the firewall isnt my box
[03:30] <_ReDRuM_> oops
[03:30] <regeya> the funny thing is, the kubuntu team shipped a fairly clean, unmolested kde.  kde really is that awesome.
[03:31] <regeya> it's just when individual distributors go mucking around with the packages that things go badly
[03:31] <_ReDRuM_> theres nothing wrong with the firewall now...
[03:31] <Tm_T-> heh
[03:31] <Latem> Sorry this is a dumb question, but i dont understand the concept of Live CD, where do the config files go?
[03:31] <_ReDRuM_> ah there it goes
[03:31] <_ReDRuM_> :)
[03:32] <Riddell> Latem: which config files?
[03:32] <Tm_T-> Latem: you set them every time again OR save them somewhere else
[03:32] <regeya> hm, guess no kipi plugins in kubuntu stable for a few months, then, eh?
[03:32] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T-: looked real slick with my ms windows theme, havent got kde to look like that yet but eh... it makes up for it by being more useful
[03:32] <Latem> well I've been loking at the ss of kubuntu, and it was the Live CD, and you still had to do like an install
[03:32] <Latem> am I correct in saying that?
[03:32] <Latem> maybe it wasn't a Live CD
[03:33] <kakalto> Tm_T-: the little triangle buttons for settings
[03:33] <Tm_T-> gentoo yuk
[03:33] <_ReDRuM_> i used Codename Opus theme or something from deviant art in windows that was nice... want it back...
[03:33] <_ReDRuM_> or rather i want it on KDE
[03:33] <_ReDRuM_> gentoo sucks
[03:33] <Riddell> Latem: yes, you have to set up the language etc
[03:33] <_ReDRuM_> its gone from being on all my machines to being on one in about 2 months
[03:34] <Tm_T-> hmm
[03:34] <LeeJunFan> All other distro's suck, that's why we are in this channel :)
[03:34] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[03:34] <Tm_T-> haha
[03:34] <_ReDRuM_> true.
[03:34] <Tm_T-> Debian <3
[03:34] <kakalto> how do I get rid of all those annoying triangle buttons for settings?
[03:34] <Tm_T-> I wait my ubuntu shipping =)
[03:34] <kakalto> little bars, with a triangle at the top, I mean
[03:35] <Latem> is apt system similar to MDL's urpmi, you have to setup mirrors and such?
[03:35] <Latem> MDK's*
[03:35] <LeeJunFan> Latem: pretty much.
[03:35] <Tm_T-> kakalto: I don't get what you mean
[03:35] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T-: want anymore random backgrouns?
[03:35] <LeeJunFan> Latem: only it's better.
[03:35] <Tm_T-> _ReDRuM_: why not
[03:35] <Latem> os is there something like easyurpmi for apt?
[03:35] <LeeJunFan> Latem: I used mandrake for about 6 or so years.
[03:35] <Latem> where it lists all the mirrors
[03:36] <LeeJunFan> Latem: you don't need it - unlike mandrake mirrors ubunutu's usually stay online and are current.
[03:36] <Tm_T-> yep
[03:36] <Tm_T-> local mirror in use
[03:36] <Latem> uhh, im sorry but I dont get that
[03:36] <Latem> lets say u want to isntall app X, how does it know from where to get it?
[03:36] <kakalto> Tm_T-: do you need a screenshot?
[03:36] <Latem> if u dont set up mirrors
[03:37] <LeeJunFan> Latem: from the mirror listed in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:37] <Tm_T-> kakalto: it would help
[03:37] <kakalto> Tm_T-: give me a few moments to find the screenshot app
[03:37] <loren> i have 250+ wallpapers
[03:37] <loren> on my site
[03:37] <Latem> is it possible to browse mirros thru a broswer
[03:37] <Latem> are they just like http: or ftp mirrors
[03:37] <Latem> ?
[03:37] <_ReDRuM_> dont want anymore tm? :P
[03:37] <Tm_T-> kakalto: sleep 10; import -window root capture.png ;)
[03:37] <LeeJunFan> Latem: both.
[03:37] <Latem> can u give me and address of one please?
[03:38] <Tm_T-> _ReDRuM_: send if you like
[03:38] <LeeJunFan> Latem: like urpmi, apt can handle many different types of urls.
[03:38] <_ReDRuM_> naw
[03:38] <_ReDRuM_> sall good.
[03:38] <LeeJunFan> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[03:38] <Tm_T-> us?!
[03:38] <Latem> thanks dude
[03:38] <Tm_T-> ] ;=
[03:38] <Tm_T-> fi here o/
[03:38] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T-: I imagine there's an fi eh.?
[03:39] <Tm_T-> yes there is
[03:39] <Tm_T-> are
[03:39] <_ReDRuM_> another bug in kde
[03:39] <Tm_T-> bah
[03:39] <kakalto> Tm_T-: the thing the mouse is hovering over
[03:39] <_ReDRuM_> if you have two of those windows rolling down it wont keep rolling the second one down instead screws up flicking around with what has focus
[03:39] <kakalto> err
[03:39] <Tm_T-> _ReDRuM_: 04:39 DCC can't connect ...
[03:39] <kakalto> did the mouse get caugt in the snapshot?
[03:39] <kakalto> :(
[03:39] <_ReDRuM_> oo spooky... vanishing window
[03:40] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T-: didnt think you wanted anymore files?
[03:40] <Tm_T-> kakalto: not in that command I gave
[03:40] <Tm_T-> _ReDRuM_: send please
[03:40] <Tm_T-> kakalto: oh it was you who's send didn't work
[03:41] <kakalto> Tm_T-: I'll put it up on photobucket
[03:41] <Tm_T-> roger that
[03:41] <_ReDRuM_> bah
[03:41] <_ReDRuM_> konversations all screwed up with dcc
[03:42] <Tm_T-> _ReDRuM_: irssi ;) ;)
[03:42] <Latem> so it looks like the packages are kept pretty recent
[03:42] <_ReDRuM_> can you drag files into irssi window to send?
[03:42] <Tm_T-> I've got four irssi running =)
[03:42] <Tm_T-> _ReDRuM_: no
[03:42] <Tm_T-> because it's not X app
[03:43] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: apparently neither can konversation :)
[03:43] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: rofl
[03:43] <_ReDRuM_> it does now it was only misbehaving
[03:43] <_ReDRuM_> keeps ports open too long
[03:43] <Tm_T-> hah
[03:43] <_ReDRuM_> and ive only got one forwarded
[03:43] <kakalto> Tm_T-: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/Kakalto/Screenshots/snapshot1.png
[03:43] <Tm_T-> irc doesn't need graphics ;)
[03:44] <Latem> so whats used for configuring the system in kubuntu, KCotrolCenter?
[03:44] <Latem> KControlCenter*
[03:44] <Tm_T-> kakalto: yes!
[03:44] <kakalto> how do I remove them?
[03:44] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T-: what do you think of that last one? :)
[03:44] <Tm_T-> kakalto: you can hide those totally or just fade them out
[03:44] <kakalto> hide them totally, please
[03:44] <kakalto> actually
[03:45] <kakalto> no, fade them out
[03:45] <_ReDRuM_> i couldnt work out if they were parrots or penguins
[03:45] <_ReDRuM_> think theyre supposed to be parrots but they look like penguins to me
[03:45] <LeeJunFan> http://home.skycon.net/~junfan/snapshot1.png
[03:45] <Latem> thats a fency looking desktop
[03:46] <Tm_T-> kakalto: configure panel -> Appearance -> advanced -> ...
[03:46] <Latem> im definitly gonna try kubuntu Live next week
[03:46] <_ReDRuM_> lol@pic
[03:46] <LeeJunFan> I got a guy at work that thinks my laptop is community property. :)
[03:46] <Tm_T-> kakalto: basic ;)
[03:47] <Tm_T-> _ReDRuM_: I check those pics now
[03:47] <kakalto> thanks
[03:47] <kakalto> I suppose the little triangle under the K menu is unremovable?
[03:47] <Latem> so conceptually is universe == contrib in urpmi?
[03:48] <LeeJunFan> Latem: not really. Multiverse is more like contrib.
[03:48] <Tm_T-> kakalto: it shows that it's menu
[03:48] <Latem> whats restricted?
[03:48] <_ReDRuM_> latern: nvidia/ati video drivers
[03:49] <LeeJunFan> Latem: stuff that's not really considerd free.
[03:49] <Latem> is that == plf type
[03:49] <Latem> ok
[03:49] <Tm_T-> uh
[03:49] <LeeJunFan> Latem: like binary only video drivers, etc.
[03:49] <Tm_T-> Jehtro Tull - We Used To Know
[03:49] <Tm_T-> <3
[03:49] <Latem> what version of akregator comes w/ Kubuntu?
[03:49] <Tm_T-> let's wake up neighbours ] ;=
[03:50] <Tm_T-> Latem: 1.0 says mine
[03:50] <kakalto> how do I change which comes up at startup, gdm or kdm?
[03:50] <Latem> cool
[03:50] <kakalto> and how do I add fonts like verdana?
[03:50] <Tm_T-> kakalto: removing gdm ;p
[03:51] <kakalto> Tm_T-: not quite an option.
[03:51] <Tm_T-> haha
[03:51] <kakalto> although gnome doesn even log in
[03:51] <LeeJunFan> kakalto: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
[03:51] <kakalto> thanks
[03:51] <LeeJunFan> kakalto: that's just an educated guess :) I don't have gdm here. :)
[03:52] <kakalto> not qite
[03:53] <kakalto> I think you are on the right track though
[03:53] <Tm_T-> why use two managers
[03:53] <LeeJunFan> kakalto: are you sure you have both installed?
[03:53] <kakalto> yes
[03:53] <Tm_T-> _correctly_ ?
[03:53] <kakalto> I installed ubuntu, then kubuntu-desktop
[03:53] <Tm_T-> then it should be =)
[03:53] <kakalto> but I found out how to change it
[03:54] <Tm_T-> how?
[03:54] <kakalto> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[03:54] <Tm_T-> ofcourse
[03:54] <LeeJunFan> That's what we tried to tell you.
[03:54] <kakalto> :P
[03:54] <LeeJunFan> Next time listen. :) heheh
[03:54] <Tm_T-> btw who use separate root user ?
[03:54] <kakalto> anyways, how do I set up japanese input support?
[03:55] <Tm_T-> hmm, that wasn't right way to put that out
[03:55] <Tm_T-> anyway I hate do sudo all the time
[03:56] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T-: I setup root passwd so I could use things like cups http config, and swat.
[03:56] <Tm_T-> so I have separate virtual desktop for root shell & other root admin stuff =)
[03:56] <Tm_T-> yes
[03:57] <Tm_T-> who use torsmo ?
[03:57] <Tm_T-> o/
[03:58] <Tm_T-> that's why I don't have any desktop icons because torsmo runs over them =)
[03:58] <kakalto> why isnt there a quote key?
[03:58] <kakalto> whats with this key layoutt
[03:58] <Tm_T-> what?
[03:58] <kakalto> when I type things like isnt, theres no apostraphe
[03:59] <Tm_T-> hmm, check your keymap
[03:59] <Tm_T-> from Control Centre
[03:59] <kakalto> fdsjga
[03:59] <Tm_T->
[03:59] <kakalto> ack
[03:59] <Tm_T-> ;p
[03:59] <kakalto> doesn work
[03:59] <Tm_T-> btw di my letters appear right?
[03:59] <Tm_T-> +d
[04:00] <kakalto> uhh
[04:00] <kakalto> no idea
[04:00] <Tm_T-> I mean these:
[04:00] <Tm_T-> heh
[04:00] <_ReDRuM_> likewise
[04:00] <_ReDRuM_> sudo got deleted
[04:01] <Tm_T-> heh
[04:01] <Tm_T-> removed you mean?
[04:01] <_ReDRuM_> whats the difference?
[04:01] <Tm_T-> rm ;)
[04:01] <Tm_T-> del remind me about windows
[04:02] <_ReDRuM_> it's just a word
[04:02] <_ReDRuM_> but hey if it scares you :)
[04:02] <Tm_T-> just joking ;)
[04:02] <Tm_T> ah, there's nothing better than being myself
[04:03] <Tm_T> I mean ...
[04:03] <_ReDRuM_> oooh i dunno
[04:03] <incubii> lol
[04:03] <Tm_T> did I sound narsistic?
[04:03] <jesus> hello I am currently using Ubuntu Horay and want to install kubuntu I already know how to updgrade. My question is this. Once I install kubuntu-desktop can I remove all the Ubuntu desktop files?
[04:03] <Tm_T> jesus: yes
[04:03] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: no, not really.
[04:04] <Tm_T> just apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop ?
[04:04] <jesus> yes
[04:04] <Tm_T> I don't have it
[04:04] <Tm_T> afaik
[04:04] <Tm_T> you can try =)
[04:04] <_ReDRuM_> jesus - i dont see why what tim said wouldnt work
[04:04] <_ReDRuM_> tm even
[04:04] <Tm_T> heh
[04:05] <jesus> I dont care about all those ugly gnome apps so I dont care if i lose em. Thanks
[04:05] <_ReDRuM_> also apt-get install deborphan
[04:05] <_ReDRuM_> then run it when your dun
[04:05] <Tm_T> yes
[04:05] <jesus> gnome is ugly, reminds me of windows classic
[04:05] <Tm_T> haha
[04:05] <Tm_T> windows 2.0 was ok
[04:05] <jesus> :s
[04:06] <_ReDRuM_> you never used windows 2
[04:06] <Tm_T> I do use Windows for workgroups in my laptop
[04:06] <Tm_T> 3.11
[04:06] <_ReDRuM_> yeh i can believe that.
[04:06] <jesus> Well Thank you guys for your hard work in the development of kubuntu :D
[04:06] <Tm_T> dos 3.2 <3
[04:06] <_ReDRuM_> heh i used the windows before 3.11
[04:06] <_ReDRuM_> 3.11 = windows for workgroups
[04:06] <Tm_T> yes
[04:07] <_ReDRuM_> there was something else in the 3 series
[04:07] <_ReDRuM_> i used that first
[04:07] <Tm_T> 3.1
[04:07] <Tm_T> and 3.1
[04:07] <Tm_T> 3.0 I mean
[04:07] <_ReDRuM_> i hated it
[04:07] <Tm_T> old mtx was great!
[04:07] <_ReDRuM_> only installed it cause i accidently trashed OS/2 and the company wanted to charge 100 for replacement CD
[04:08] <kakalto> what's kde's text editor?
[04:08] <_ReDRuM_> kakalto: take your pick, kate is the "most official" i think
[04:08] <LeeJunFan> I went from years of amiga to windows 95, hated it within 2 months and went to linux. :)
[04:08] <Tm_T> http://www.retromadness.com/memotech/
[04:08] <kakalto> thanks
[04:08] <Tm_T> ahh, those old good times
[04:08] <_ReDRuM_> kakalto: np, its also the best of the kde editors
[04:08] <Tm_T> kakalto: kedit is better ;)
[04:08] <Tm_T> nut Nano <3<3
[04:09] <_ReDRuM_> kedit is more simplistic than kate
[04:09] <Tm_T> but
[04:09] <Tm_T> jep
[04:09] <Tm_T> nano is best
[04:09] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: vi.
[04:09] <kakalto> kate doesn't work
[04:09] <_ReDRuM_> vi > *
[04:09] <kakalto> so I'll assume kedit is better
[04:09] <Tm_T> vi :/
[04:09] <Tm_T> kakalto: haha
[04:09] <_ReDRuM_> kakalto: lol
[04:10] <Tm_T> hereill?
[04:10] <Tm_T> hups, wrong irssi ;p
[04:10] <regeya> !
[04:11] <Tm_T> hmm, theres no operators?
[04:11] <kakalto> what is a good text-editor in kde that works?
[04:11] <Tm_T> kakalto: nano
[04:11] <kakalto> not kedit, it's not default
[04:11] <incubii> any idea why KDE sits on "system services" for ages when loading up then nothing but background for another 5 mins b4 it pops up ?
[04:11] <kakalto> of course
[04:11] <kakalto> nano's always good
[04:11] <Tm_T> yes =)
[04:11] <incubii> kate is nice
[04:11] <Tm_T> nah
[04:11] <Tm_T> who needs kandy to writing ;p
[04:11] <incubii> it is if you want syntax
[04:11] <Tm_T> candy even
[04:12] <kakalto> how do I enable multiverse?
[04:12] <kakalto> it's not in the sources.list
[04:12] <Tm_T> blah, it's hard to write foreign language
[04:12] <incubii> just type multiverse after universe
[04:12] <Tm_T> multiverse?
[04:12] <incubii> multiverse = non-free
[04:13] <Tm_T> ok
[04:13] <kakalto> what's that thing...
[04:13] <kakalto> qt gtk thing
[04:13] <kakalto> for making qt display gtk things like its own?
[04:13] <Tm_T> heh
[04:14] <kakalto> ?
[04:14] <Tm_T> kakalto: you're new linux user?
[04:14] <kakalto> fairly new, yeah
[04:14] <Tm_T> ok
[04:15] <kakalto> I mean, I've been through a gentoo install, which is why I'm not a complete n00b
[04:15] <Tm_T> heh
[04:15] <Tm_T> if you're here you're not n00b ;)
[04:15] <LeeJunFan> gtk-engines-qt
[04:16] <kakalto> just that?
[04:16] <kakalto> 'cause that's not here
[04:16] <LeeJunFan> hrm.
[04:16] <kakalto> gtk-engines-qtpixmap?
[04:16] <_ReDRuM_> kakalto: heh.
[04:16] <Tm_T> muah
[04:16] <_ReDRuM_> gentoo is a sprawling mess :P
[04:16] <kakalto> hehe
[04:16] <kakalto> absolutely
[04:16] <LeeJunFan> kakalto: that should put the option in your kde kcontrol look&feel to turn on that stuff.
[04:17] <Tm_T> some like doing everything by themself, some prefer wellmade ;)
[04:17] <_ReDRuM_> which do you prefer tm?
[04:17] <siimo> how to pronounce ? ku-buntu or k-ubuntu
[04:17] <Tm_T> siimo: kubuntu
[04:17] <Tm_T> ;)
[04:17] <LeeJunFan> kakalto: gtk2-engines-q
[04:17] <kakalto> why does kynaptic ask for the cd?
[04:17] <LeeJunFan> gtk2-engines-qtpixmap
[04:17] <kakalto> thought so
[04:18] <_ReDRuM_> kakalto: cause its a bug, you can repair it by typing apt-get kpackage :P
[04:18] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: it depends
[04:19] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: dont like to give your opinion? :)
[04:20] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: well, I like do some things by myself
[04:20] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: perhaps there is no difference, if you want a job done well...
[04:20] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: so we've heard. :)
[04:20] <_ReDRuM_> as the old adage goes
[04:20] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: lol.
[04:20] <Tm_T> heh
[04:20] <kakalto> if I do apt-get uninstall ubuntu-desktop, will it remove GIMP?
[04:21] <_ReDRuM_> kakalto: it will tell you what it will remove
[04:21] <LeeJunFan> kakalto: it should tell you what it's going to remove. I don't think gimp depends on gnome - only gtk.
[04:21] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: what!? you're spying me!!?
[04:21] <kakalto> uhk
[04:21] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: no that's the CIA
[04:21] <Tm_T> of course!
[04:21] <_ReDRuM_> they're after your movie collection
[04:21] <Tm_T> haha
[04:22] <_ReDRuM_> http://www.funnyjunk.com/p/riaa-jpg.html
[04:22] <LeeJunFan> Or maybe your human finger collection.
[04:22] <_ReDRuM_> that riaa guy in here the other day was funny
[04:22] <_ReDRuM_> scanning everyones hds
[04:22] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: my own ten fingers?
[04:22] <LeeJunFan> Them's the ones.
[04:22] <_ReDRuM_> who would have thought they hired hackers
[04:22] <_ReDRuM_> it's got to be barely legal...
[04:23] <kakalto> they do what they want
[04:23] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: hah, I don't have pirate stuff, I'm clean =)
[04:23] <Kortor> hi
[04:23] <Tm_T> hi
[04:23] <_ReDRuM_> RIAA: did you see that? :)
[04:23] <Tm_T> morjensta siis
[04:23] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[04:23] <Kortor> _ReDRuM_: Did you end up setting position to remove borders etc?
[04:23] <LeeJunFan> If I had a dime for every time I heard that I wouldn't have to download my music! haha
[04:24] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: naw couldnt work it out :/
[04:24] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: lol
[04:24] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: btw how he scan hd if you have well set firewall?
[04:24] <Kortor> _ReDRuM_: You need to set position to negative
[04:24] <kakalto> how long has kynaptic been around?
[04:24] <Tm_T> a while
[04:25] <_ReDRuM_> no effect...
[04:25] <kakalto> a small while?
[04:25] <Tm_T> kpackage is maybe better
[04:25] <_ReDRuM_> kpackage is definately better
[04:25] <Tm_T> and synaptic works fine too ;)
[04:25] <_ReDRuM_> and will serve you well until you find your just using apt cause its  faster
[04:25] <Tm_T> yes
[04:25] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: social engineering. They tell you to run this command to speed up your computer: ls -R / | mutt -x<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:25] <Kortor> _ReDRuM_: You set the left/right one to something about -6, just enough to remove the border, then set the width of it to resolution width + 2|your negative number|
[04:25] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: hahaha
[04:25] <incubii> there was someone in here pretending to be RIAA ?
[04:26] <Kortor> _ReDRuM_: And that gets rid of the left and right borders. Then to get rid of the top its like about -25.
[04:26] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: you didn't know about them?
[04:26] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: hmm.
[04:26] <incubii> no ,lol
[04:27] <incubii> i always seem to attract the people pretending to be FBI
[04:27] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: it hates me.
[04:27] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: gotta be stupid to run such commands =)
[04:27] <Kortor> _ReDRuM_: It would change depending on your windeco, windeco border size, and resolution
[04:27] <LeeJunFan> incubii: I always seem to attract the real ones.
[04:27] <LeeJunFan> :)
[04:27] <Kortor> _ReDRuM_: I was using AKDC Corona when I did this and I think position was -6,-32
[04:27] <Tm_T> I'm enough scary by myself ;=
[04:27] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: it just doesnt like it i think maybe cause i use icewm or because im too foolish to work it out, either way it hates me
[04:28] <incubii> lol
[04:28] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: yeah, then they tell you after that's done to run mkfs.swap /dev/hda
[04:28] <Kortor> _ReDRuM_: Strange.
[04:28] <Tm_T> haha
[04:28] <incubii> well we are using that hacking tool called linux
[04:28] <kakalto> how do I get japanese input working?
[04:28] <incubii> we cant be trusted cause we dont pay for out software
[04:28] <incubii> ;)
[04:29] <incubii> lol
[04:29] <Kortor> hey narg
[04:29] <_ReDRuM_> whos joking? :)
[04:29] <Tm_T> incubii: I do, it's good to give something ;)
[04:29] <Kortor> narg, check aim
[04:29] <Tm_T> haha
[04:29] <Kortor> or ill stab you
[04:29] <LeeJunFan> bah, I pay just as much for my internet to download illegal music as the next guy. I'm not a total bum.
[04:29] <incubii> i got banned from the college network i was at for nmapping everyone
[04:29] <incubii> the admin didnt understand what i was doing
[04:29] <Tm_T> haha
[04:29] <_ReDRuM_> what, hacking? :)
[04:30] <LeeJunFan> incubii: yeah, and he's an "admin"
[04:30] <incubii> fingerprinting systems :P
[04:30] <Tm_T> incubii: some universities in here have their own irc servers ;)
[04:30] <incubii> i wanted to know what the servers were
[04:30] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[04:30] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: did you find out?
[04:30] <incubii> yeah
[04:30] <incubii> i was disapointed
[04:30] <Tm_T> hmm, how about homecountry gallup?
[04:30] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: just blame it on someone else. spoofing, etc.. - wasn't me! prove it. hehe
[04:31] <Kortor> Okay, noone laugh... what is nmapping?
[04:31] <kakalto> is firefox based on gtk?
[04:31] <incubii> windows 2000 - pre service packs
[04:31] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: i got banned from computers at school for cracking the network....
[04:31] <_ReDRuM_> those old windows 3.11 machines
[04:31] <_ReDRuM_> and their cached passwords
[04:31] <Tm_T> haha
[04:31] <incubii> lol
[04:31] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: I got kicked out of the library when I was about 15 for making the commodore 64 go into a fart-frenzy.
[04:31] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: new windows is no better, just fire up cain...
[04:31] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: hehe
[04:31] <incubii> i got in trouble for cracking the admin password
[04:31] <incubii> :d
[04:31] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: for a whole year!
[04:31] <Kortor> Oh god, the computers at my school have awful security
[04:32] <incubii> :not that it was needed anyway
[04:32] <Kortor> They don't even restrict command prompt
[04:32] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: yeah, I'm old.
[04:32] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: mmm i had a c64 so your what... 29?
[04:32] <Tm_T> I'm old too
[04:32] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: 32
[04:32] <Tm_T> way too old ;)
[04:32] <incubii> i find if i mention tools i use people tend not to trust me as much
[04:32] <Kortor> And they tried to restric Control Panel by making it so you can't go in...
[04:33] <incubii> lol control panel
[04:33] <incubii> people never restrict the help service
[04:33] <Kortor> You just go into My Computer and click this little link Network & Internet Settings
[04:33] <Tm_T> I hate "lol"
[04:33] <incubii> you can launch command prompt from it
[04:33] <Kortor> because most people in my school are too stupid to do dangerous stuff
[04:33] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: give me another pair?
[04:33] <_ReDRuM_> you're alrite for an old man :)
[04:33] <LeeJunFan> I wrote a war dialer for C64, tried to find my schools computer, instead found an unprotected telco RTU, used it for years without a problem screw up one satellite dish and knock out 1-800 long distance and get visited :)
[04:33] <_ReDRuM_> hahahahaha
[04:33] <Kortor> so they just restrict Control Panel to keep people from changing the Desktop Appearance
[04:33] <_ReDRuM_> screw up a satalite dish
[04:33] <Tm_T> Kortor: nice =)
[04:34] <_ReDRuM_> back in the wild west of information tech
[04:34] <incubii> tried to turn it into a death ray did you ?
[04:34] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: yeah, I accidentally re-aligned it. oops.
[04:34] <incubii> "feels all warm and fuzzy"
[04:34] <Tm_T> haha
[04:34] <Kortor> most people in my school are like deathly afraid of the command prompt ("It has no colors! And isn't user friendly! EWwww!", and I'm trying to convince this one person to format C: cause he doesn't know what it is
[04:34] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: i never got caught
[04:35] <_ReDRuM_> im younger than you so i missed the war dialing
[04:35] <Kortor> im trying to convince him itll speed up the computer and the teachers will give him extra credit
[04:35] <incubii> lol
[04:35] <_ReDRuM_> but i was around when there were 10,000 web pages on the web :)
[04:35] <Tm_T> Kortor: old joke to tell people "Format c:" ;p
[04:35] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: yeah, I wouldn't dare do it now, too many laws regarding telephone.
[04:35] <Kortor> Tm_T: But it's someone who might actually do it.
[04:36] <Tm_T> Kortor: too many are
[04:36] <Tm_T> why people doesn't learn use their tools
[04:36] <Tm_T> little studying and all works mutch easier
[04:36] <incubii> rd /s /q c:\*.*
[04:36] <incubii> ;)
[04:36] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: here we go again. We all already know you know how to use yours :)
[04:36] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: enough already.
[04:36] <Kortor> I should run my bootable Knoppix at school, it gives me complete access to all files.
[04:36] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: wank? ;)
[04:37] <incubii> lol they banned me from using knoppix kortor
[04:37] <Tm_T> haha
[04:37] <Kortor> haha
[04:37] <incubii> so i use Barts PE now
[04:37] <incubii> :D
[04:37] <Tm_T> incubii: memorystickboot ;)
[04:37] <Kortor> incubii: none of the teachers in my school would know what it was. not even the compsci teacher
[04:38] <Kortor> incubii: I have a sneaking suspicion the only language he knows is a teensy bit of visual basic
[04:38] <incubii> hehe
[04:38] <Tm_T> haha
[04:38] <Tm_T> basic <3
[04:38] <Tm_T> vb :/
[04:39] <Kortor> vb !<3
[04:39] <Tm_T> I hate vb
[04:39] <Kortor> don't we all
[04:39] <Tm_T> =)
[04:40] <Tm_T> maybe I'll study some C++ in summer
[04:40] <Kortor> the sad part is that's what they teach us in compsci
[04:40] <Kortor> which made me want to stab the teacher
[04:40] <Tm_T> well?
[04:40] <regeya> oh, but you could compromise network security, or something ;-)
[04:40] <regeya> what sort of mickey mouse operation is this?
[04:40] <Tm_T> th
[04:41] <regeya> VB!
[04:41] <Tm_T> puhusit siekki turkkuses
[04:41] <Tm_T> ;p
[04:44] <Tm_T> what time it is?
[04:44] <Kortor> 9:45!
[04:44] <Tm_T> 05:44 says my client =)
[04:45] <Tm_T> so Good morning everyone! :)
[04:45] <Kortor> good morning america
[04:45] <Kortor> except you're not in america
[04:47] <Kortor> make install -not war
[04:47] <LeeJunFan> make love not clean
[04:47] <Kortor> You know, I've heard people say KDE has everything but the kitchen sink, so I checked... and it DOES have the kitchensync!
[04:48] <LeeJunFan> Kortor: :D
[04:48] <Kortor> LeeJunFan: :D
[04:48] <siimo> wheres everyones screenshots people :P
[04:48] <Kortor> somewhere on lynucs
[04:48] <_ReDRuM_> wheres the kitchensync?
[04:48] <Kortor> :P
[04:48] <LeeJunFan> http://home.skycon.net/~junfan/snapshot1.png
[04:48] <_ReDRuM_> ive got to have it
[04:49] <Kortor> apt-get install kintchensync
[04:49] <Kortor> :P
[04:49] <Kortor> apt-get install kitchensync
[04:49] <_ReDRuM_> oh yeh.. tired :)
[04:49] <_ReDRuM_> tjhanks
[04:50] <Kortor> mutter
[04:50] <siimo> cool
[04:50] <_ReDRuM_> is that the gun pic?
[04:50] <Tm_T> haha
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: yeah.
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: that's my windows removal tool.
[04:51] <Tm_T> "hey, i got that url in my cache"
[04:51] <Kortor> LeeJunFan: what display manager is that
[04:51] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> Kortor: kdm.
[04:51] <kakalto> how do I get konqueror to display flash stuff?
[04:51] <_ReDRuM_> the alien is a nice touch
[04:52] <LeeJunFan> Kortor: if you want the default kdm like mine you need to edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc and turn off theme
[04:52] <Kortor> LeeJunFan: Ah.
[04:52] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: that's me! not an alien.
[04:52] <Tm_T> haha
[04:53] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: oh, hehe.
[04:53] <LeeJunFan> :)
[04:53] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[04:54] <Tm_T> hmm, should I stick here
[04:54] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: have you done the kde hatchet trick yet?
[04:54] <Tm_T> what?
[04:55] <Kortor> what is the kde hatchet trick?
[04:55] <_ReDRuM_> the one where you type that string into the console..
[04:55] <_ReDRuM_> sec
[04:55] <_ReDRuM_> `echo -e '\x65\x78\x70\x6f\x72\x74\x20\x50\x53\x31\x3d\x22\x6e\x30\x30\x62\x22\x0a'`
[04:55] <kakalto> anyone?
[04:55] <_ReDRuM_> yeh thats the one
[04:55] <Tm_T> kakalto: you installed flash stuff?
[04:55] <kakalto> no, I want to
[04:55] <Kortor> and what does it do?
[04:56] <Kortor> make a hatchet?
[04:56] <Tm_T> what is hatchet ?
[04:56] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: nothing interesting :)
[04:56] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: the hatchet
[04:56] <_ReDRuM_> you know
[04:56] <Tm_T> no I don't =)
[04:56] <_ReDRuM_> ok
[04:56] <kakalto> Tm_T: how do I?
[04:56] <Tm_T> sorry I'm not english
[04:57] <_ReDRuM_> yeah your finnish :P
[04:57] <Tm_T> yes
[04:57] <Tm_T> finished
[04:57] <_ReDRuM_> heh finland is alrite
[04:57] <Tm_T> Suomi perrrkele
[04:57] <Tm_T> ;)
[04:57] <_ReDRuM_> i used to know a girl from i think its called Helsinki?
[04:57] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: yse, our capital city
[04:57] <Tm_T> yes
[04:58] <_ReDRuM_> ah
[04:58] <Tm_T> I live about 150km from russia
[04:58] <_ReDRuM_> scarey :)
[04:58] <Tm_T> not
[04:59] <_ReDRuM_> i keep hearing rumors russia is run by the mob :)
[04:59] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: other way around.
[04:59] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: old news
[04:59] <_ReDRuM_> russia runs the mob?
[04:59] <_ReDRuM_> thats even worse :)
[04:59] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: here in the states.
[04:59] <Tm_T> russian mafia works all around europe
[04:59] <Tm_T> nice i think =)
[05:00] <Tm_T> NOT!
[05:00] <_ReDRuM_> Nyet!
[05:00] <_ReDRuM_> Privet!
[05:00] <Tm_T> heh
[05:00] <Tm_T> nada
[05:00] <Tm_T> njet
[05:00] <LeeJunFan> I live about 30 mins from the head of the Michigan Malitia.
[05:00] <_ReDRuM_> does finland have cheap broadband like sweden?
[05:00] <incubii> lol at hatchet trick
[05:00] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: :P:P
[05:00] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: what is cheap ?
[05:01] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: cheap costs little money
[05:01] <Tm_T> my 2M/512 costs 40-50 euro at month
[05:01] <_ReDRuM_> whats the price for 100mbit in finland?
[05:01] <_ReDRuM_> eh not too bad
[05:02] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: not cheap though.
[05:02] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: you can't have 100mbit to home =)
[05:02] <_ReDRuM_> no its not
[05:02] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: wanna bet?
[05:02] <Tm_T> no here
[05:02] <_ReDRuM_> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13266
[05:02] <_ReDRuM_> not here either
[05:02] <Tm_T> our web server does have 100mbit net =)
[05:02] <_ReDRuM_> sweden
[05:03] <Tm_T> room enough to irc \o/
[05:03] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: I know
[05:03] <_ReDRuM_> they get rediculous bandwidth
[05:03] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: but there goverment paid building of net
[05:03] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: what 100mbit dedicated unmetered or burstable?
[05:03] <Tm_T> taxes etc
[05:03] <LeeJunFan> hrm. I hear my neighbor running a front end loader.
[05:04] <_ReDRuM_> wtfs a front end loader?
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> It's 11pm here, he must be getting a quick divorce.
[05:04] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: oh, dedicated?
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: something to dig and bury things with. A tractor with a scoop.
[05:04] <_ReDRuM_> ahh
[05:04] <_ReDRuM_> mechanical digger
[05:04] <_ReDRuM_> jcb
[05:05] <Tm_T> yes
[05:05] <_ReDRuM_> we call em jcb's here
[05:05] <Tm_T> Kaivuri o/
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: where is "here"? And what's jcb stand for?
[05:06] <Tm_T> oh what a headache
[05:06] <benJIman> yeah jcbs
[05:06] <Tm_T> maybe last whiskey was too much =)
[05:07] <Kortor> Bredbandsbolaget will cap downloads to 300GB as part of the service it's offering.
[05:07] <Kortor> oh that's so sad
[05:07] <Kortor> I doubt anyone will EVER be downloading a 300GB file
[05:07] <Tm_T> haha
[05:07] <Tm_T> Kortor: I bet it means a month
[05:07] <Tm_T> monthly limit
[05:07] <Kortor> Tm_T: Meh.  It is freakin' great!
[05:18] <Kortor> I installed kubuntu yesterday but havent gotten a chance to use it. :(
[05:18] <LeeJunFan> brazmetal: no- apt will download any changes from the repositories and install them to bring you up to date.
[05:18] <Kortor> wont till monday
[05:18] <LeeJunFan> brazmetal: if you install from iso it means starting over.
[05:19] <dad> runs fast on my laptop
[05:19] <_ReDRuM_> dad - yeh its pretty slick
[05:19] <Kortor> k/ubuntu > debian
[05:19] <Tm_T> hm
[05:19] <Kortor> kubuntu <3
[05:19] <Tm_T> debian <3
[05:19] <brazmetal> LeeJunFan: are there differences btw the 2 ways?
[05:19] <Kortor> ewww
[05:19] <_ReDRuM_> by slick i mean the first free desktop OS that isnt source based that worked on my PC without me having to faff about
[05:19] <Kortor> my debian sid was slow
[05:20] <Kortor> but that's because a i fubarded it trying to get my drivers working
[05:20] <Tm_T> Kortor: debian testing is great in server use
[05:20] <Kortor> Tm_T: can I AFFORD a server? no! :P
[05:20] <LeeJunFan> brazmetal: if you have already installed kubuntu then apt is the way to go to update what you have. The iso would be for re-installing.
[05:20] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: funny, our local debian guru told me debian testing was the WORST of the three branches to use on debian for server ues :)
[05:20] <Tm_T> Kortor: my server: p200/64Mt ram ;p
[05:20] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: depends what kind of server
[05:21] <LeeJunFan> Preferably one that works.
[05:21] <Tm_T> my server is only for irssi ;p
[05:21] <_ReDRuM_> you have a 100mbit for irssi?
[05:21] <Tm_T> not
[05:21] <Tm_T> our webserver is other
[05:21] <Kortor> Tm_T: I couldn't afford that
[05:22] <_ReDRuM_> oh right.
[05:22] <Tm_T> Kortor: me neither alone
[05:22] <Tm_T> Kortor: we have community who have that webserver
[05:22] <Tm_T> actually serverS
[05:23] <Tm_T> today we take new main server in use
[05:23] <Kortor> noice
[05:23] <Kortor> peer
[05:23] <Kortor> * ubuntu<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #kubuntu
[05:23] <Kortor> lol
[05:24] <Tm_T> hah
[05:24] <Tm_T> HP Proliant DL380G4-server (2 x 3,4 GHz Xeon, 2 GB DDR2, SCSI-RAID)
[05:24] <Tm_T> nice box =)
[05:24] <Tm_T> cost 5-6ke
[05:25] <Tm_T> but have over 400 users
[05:25] <_ReDRuM_> doing what?
[05:25] <Tm_T> www and mail and so on
[05:25] <Tm_T> all what it need to do
[05:26] <Tm_T> we have 3(?) nameservers all around our country
[05:26] <Tm_T> and other webserver too =)
[05:26] <_ReDRuM_> cool.
[05:26] <Tm_T> yes
[05:26] <Tm_T> and cheap to us users
[05:27] <Tm_T> 30e/year
[05:27] <_ReDRuM_> how much GB transfer?
[05:27] <Tm_T> and all webhosting included
[05:27] <_ReDRuM_> how many gigabytes a month web transfer?
[05:27] <Tm_T> hmm, not restricted atm
[05:27] <_ReDRuM_> interesting
[05:27] <Tm_T> yes
[05:28] <_ReDRuM_> whats the companies web page?
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> wow, let's host a pr0n site!
[05:28] <_ReDRuM_> leejunfan : great minds :D
[05:28] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: no can do, if you're not finnish ;p
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: well, you're gonna help!
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> :)
[05:28] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: not company, community
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> Thanks for volunteering!
[05:28] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: bhah, yeah rright
[05:29] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: www.kapsi.fi
[05:29] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: I check if we have some info in english
[05:30] <Tm_T> haha
[05:30] <_ReDRuM_> who is Ville Skogberg?
[05:30] <_ReDRuM_> what does Kapsi mean?
[05:31] <Tm_T> kahvi & pepsi
[05:31] <Tm_T> coffee and pepsi I mean
[05:31] <_ReDRuM_> YUCK!
[05:31] <_ReDRuM_> you drink that?
[05:31] <Tm_T> it's joke =)
[05:31] <_ReDRuM_> good!
[05:31] <Tm_T> some of us tried in their youth
[05:31] <LeeJunFan> kde and apsi whatever apsi is. :)
[05:31] <dad> yes pepsi is a joke
[05:31] <_ReDRuM_> lol@lee
[05:32] <Tm_T> dad: I agree =)
[05:32] <_ReDRuM_> its a mytyped aspi ? :)
[05:32] <Tm_T> haha
[05:32] <Tm_T> typoxiit
[05:34] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I did mistake when I didn't opened irssi inside screen =)
[05:34] <dougsk> before i start the download process again can anyone verify the md5sum posted matches the x86 kubuntu install iso, thanks
[05:35] <Tm_T> dougsk: you can't?
[05:35] <dougsk> I know my md5sum doesn't match the sites
[05:35] <brazmetal> is there someone from brazil here?
[05:35] <Tm_T> ok then
[05:36] <_ReDRuM_> i didnt even bother checking mine
[05:36] <dad> I never do
[05:37] <_ReDRuM_> dad: i do on servers, its pure lazyness not doing it regularly on the desktop
[05:37] <_ReDRuM_> cause i login to them from here
[05:37] <_ReDRuM_> but there ya go
[05:37] <dad> I like to live on the edge!
[05:37] <_ReDRuM_> all my base are belong to caledenera corp or whatever theyre called
[05:38] <Tm_T> heh
[05:38] <Tm_T> all my base... oh, I don't have any bases
[05:39] <_ReDRuM_> Canonical Ltd.   I mean, god it's ugly...
[05:41] <Kortor> smouche: no
[05:41] <Kortor> smouche: you are not the only one
[05:41] <Kortor> smouche: :(
[05:41] <Tm_T> haha
[05:42] <smouche> at least the gnome foot is -- just a foot - they don't inflict the whole creature on you!
[05:42] <Tm_T> haha
[05:42] <dad> ha
[05:42] <Tm_T> smouche: then use gnome ;)
[05:43] <dad> my kids like the dragon
[05:43] <Tm_T> dad: you live in where?
[05:43] <dad> alberta canada
[05:43] <Tm_T> uh
[05:44] <Tm_T> knd!
[05:44] <smouche> dad -- that's a good point though... once there are Konqi plush toys everywhere, perhaps kde will rule the world, as is right and proper.. ;-)
[05:44] <Tm_T> hah
[05:44] <Kortor> NARG!
[05:44] <dad> ha
[05:44] <narg> KORTOR!
[05:44] <narg> why are you saying my name? :p
[05:44] <Tm_T> smouche: maybe we need designbetter looking dragon then ;)
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: like the one on Shrek?
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> :)
[05:45] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: haha
[05:45] <dad> she's hot!
[05:45] <Kortor> I dunno
[05:45] <Tm_T> narg: because hes fag ;p
[05:45] <narg> Tm_T: :p
[05:46] <Tm_T> or is he only happy to see you
[05:46] <Tm_T> spank me please
[05:46] <Tm_T> ;p
[05:46] <LeeJunFan> Kelletubbies
[05:46] <Tm_T> keletapit!
[05:46] <dad> here we go again ha
[05:47] <smouche> maybe the gnome foot is just the charred remnants of St. George after meeting this awesome dragon...
[05:47] <Tm_T> smouche: that's what it is ;)
[05:49] <narg> Hrm, so does anyone know if kubuntu does a frozen package thing al la testing, or a update on, al la sid?
[05:49] <Bicchi> i need help using partition magic to instal kubuntu
[05:49] <Tm_T> Kortor: do you know what I just did to you?
[05:50] <smouche> Tm_T, maybe someone should stick a reversed gnome foot on the sole of one of Konqi's feet, to indicate where the gnome mark really came from...
[05:50] <Tm_T> smouche: let's do so =)
[05:51] <smouche> you first, Tm_T -- gimp hates me!
[05:51] <Tm_T> smouche: gimp <3
[05:51] <Kortor> Tm_T: No. And I'm not sure I want to... O_o
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> Make the pic of konqi with blood in his teeth and a foot laying at his feet.
[05:51] <Tm_T> Kortor: I bet you don't =)
[05:51] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: I'll do that =)
[05:51] <Tm_T> so some gimpin' ->
[05:51] <Tm_T> no, not pimpin'
[05:52] <glass-eye> what is kubuntu?
[05:52] <Kortor> Tm_T: Tell me anyway though. :P
[05:52] <smouche> kubuntu may be the beginning of sleepless nights and teed off girlfriends, glass-eye...
[05:52] <Tm_T> Kortor: I ripped you'r head and shattered it and then throwed your corpse to wolfes
[05:52] <LeeJunFan> glass-eye: nothign you'd be interested in. It's a new kind of contact lense.
[05:52] <LeeJunFan> :)
[05:52] <glass-eye> :D
[05:52] <Tm_T> hahaha
[05:52] <smouche> http://www.kubuntu.org/
[05:53] <Kortor> Tm_T: Sexy.
[05:53] <Tm_T> ok, some gimpin' ->
[05:53] <TechLord> i've got a problem i just can't figure out
[05:54] <smouche> it's Utnubuk in reverse, meaning "fearsome gnome stomper"
[05:54] <glass-eye> interesting
[05:54] <dad> lol
[05:54] <glass-eye> can't you install kde in regular ubuntu?
[05:54] <TechLord> i'm in the control center and when ever i try to get into an admin funtion i get the prompt for the password enter the password  then am put back out to the information screen not the admin section
[05:54] <smouche> sure, glass-eye, yes
[05:54] <LeeJunFan> smouche: wasn't it you who said GNOME = GUI Not Offering Menu Editor?
[05:55] <glass-eye> but its more geared towards GNOME i assume then?
[05:55] <smouche> LeeJunFan, yes!
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> smouche: I've been laughing for 2 weeks straight. hehe
[05:55] <smouche> (but I meant it kindly -- ;-)
[05:56] <glass-eye> heh
[05:56] <LeeJunFan> smouche: or however long it's been. It's hard to keep track of days when you never see the sun. :)
[05:56] <hayden> whats a ftp client and server i can install?
[05:56] <dad> Tech: are you putting in your user pasword?
[05:56] <Kortor> Tm_T: Do you know what I just said?
[05:56] <TechLord> yes
[05:56] <smouche> LeeJunFan,  because of the weather where you are, or because of kubuntu?
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> smouche: 3 kids, 2 jobs, wife, and too many hobbies. :)
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> only 1 wife though !
[05:57] <Kortor> Ello?
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> I'm off to bed. Later.
[05:57] <Tm_T> muahhaha
[05:57] <dad> Tech: did you do a clean install or update?
[05:57] <Tm_T> http://www.kde.org/stuff/clipart/splashscreen-3.4b-400x248.png
[05:57] <Tm_T> that's from finland!
[05:57] <TechLord> clean install
[05:58] <Kortor> Tm_T: Ello? Do you know what I said?
[05:58] <smouche> lol, LeeJunFan
[05:58] <Bicchi> does anyone have a few seconds to help me out with installing kubuntu and partitioning the drive using partition magic or perhaps kubuntu/.
[05:58] <Tm_T> Kortor: not quite
[05:58] <Tm_T> Kortor: some idea though
[05:58] <smouche> there's a line in the movie "the Spanish Prisoner" -- guy says,
[05:58] <Kortor> Tm_T: What do you think?
[05:58] <glass-eye> smouche: good flick
[05:58] <smouche> "the problem isn't when your hobbies interfere with work,
[05:58] <Tm_T> hey! I'm gimpin! ->
[05:59] <dad> Tech: how about if you try installing apps?
[05:59] <smouche> it's when your hobbies interfere with other hobbies"
[05:59] <TechLord> kynaptic works and sudo works from the konsole
[05:59] <smouche> or sumphin'
[05:59] <Kortor> Tm_T: What do you think I said?
[05:59] <smouche> I loved that movie, glass-eye
[06:00] <TechLord> and if i go to kwifi it's self it works
[06:00] <glass-eye> it was different because it was originally a play and they didn't rewrite it to be more movie like
[06:01] <smouche> yeah -- kind of like Glengarry Glen Ross -- also David Mamet
[06:01] <dad> Tech: what are you trying to do in the control center?
[06:01] <glass-eye> good flick though, my wife made me watch it originally and now i love it
[06:01] <Bicchi> if i wish do dual boot do i have to partition the drive before going into the installation. like do it from windows?
[06:02] <TechLord> dad: login manger, network settings, any admin function does the same thing
[06:02] <glass-eye> Bicchi: not necessarily
[06:02] <smouche> Bicchi, yes, unless you have more than one drive
[06:02] <Bicchi> glass-eye: can kubuntu handle the partition of the drive and leaving windows alone. like i can alocate a certain space to it?
[06:02] <Bicchi> just one drive
[06:02] <smouche> then you could just put linux on one of them
[06:03] <glass-eye> I've done it, but it depends on what type of partition windows is on
[06:03] <Bicchi> i do not want to get rid of windows but dual OS
[06:03] <Bicchi> ntfs
[06:03] <glass-eye> hmmm...i would recommend partitioning in windows then
[06:03] <Bicchi> i am ready to use partition magic but need some help
[06:04] <smouche> well, I'm no expert, but I think it's best to have windows installed first...
[06:04] <dad> TechLord: sorry, I don't know what's wrong. Have you tried the kubuntu site.
[06:04] <Bicchi> is this a primary or logical partition?
[06:04] <TechLord> dad: not yet cam here first thanks...
[06:04] <glass-eye> all you need to do is resize your partition, i would recommend putting the windows partition at the front of the driver (i.e. just move the end)
[06:05] <Bicchi> glass-eye: so i do not need to create the swap and boot partition. just leave some space unallocated and thats all?
[06:05] <glass-eye> once you have the ntfs parition resized, just leave the rest of the area unallocated and the install should be able to create the paritions it needs in that spot
[06:05] <Bicchi> gotcha
[06:05] <glass-eye> you _could_ create a logical paritition in the empty space just to make sure
[06:05] <smouche> Bicchi -- I think that's right, you can let (k)ubuntu handle the rest -
[06:06] <Bicchi> what about size. it will let me pick the size i need. like i wish to give kubuntu 10gb and 1gb swap?
[06:06] <glass-eye> yeah
[06:06] <glass-eye> although the rule of thumb is twice the amount of ram for the size of swap i think...
[06:06] <smouche> yeah, Bicchi, you can configure that -- but take your time on those screens, the defaults might not be what you want
[06:06] <glass-eye> normally i split my /home off into its own partition too
[06:07] <glass-eye> or put it on a separate drive
[06:07] <smouche> and I would have a seperate home partition -- ditto glass-ee
[06:07] <dad> yes glass-eye has a very good point
[06:07] <Bicchi> but i have a 1gb of ram. a 2gb swap is just too much
[06:07] <glass-eye> lvm is also something you might want to look into
[06:07] <smouche> what about the logical volume manager?  I've never tried to set that up...
[06:08] <smouche> hah, too fast, glass-eye -- you're reading my mind...
[06:08] <glass-eye> it will allow you a little more freedom as to the size of stuff dynamically, i haven't played with it too much yet, but it looks nice and one of my buddies uses it
[06:08] <glass-eye> you can set that up after the install though i believe
[06:08] <glass-eye> iso is almost done burning
[06:09] <narg> can someone say my name? (want to test something)
[06:09] <glass-eye> woohoo...time to install ubuntu
[06:09] <glass-eye> narg!
[06:09] <smouche> burning slowly, I hope, glass-eye ...
[06:09] <smouche> have fun dude!
[06:09] <glass-eye> bbl
[06:09] <narg> thank ya glass-eye :)
[06:09] <smouche> narg!
[06:09] <Tm_T> aergh
[06:10] <smouche> gran!
[06:10] <narg> and now peaple abuse my sound setting :p
[06:10] <smouche> grannie narg!
[06:10] <narg> touche smouche!
[06:10] <Tm_T> can anyone find sitting kunqi pic ?
[06:11] <smouche> rang gran, she went "argn, argn, narg narg"
[06:12] <smouche> there's one right here, Tm_T -- http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php
[06:12] <Tm_T> haha
[06:12] <Tm_T> too easy
[06:12] <narg> It was so obvious, it was invisable :)
[06:12] <smouche> heh heh, that's the one I was thinking was so ugly --
[06:13] <Tm_T> smouche: but that's not good enough, you cant edit blood in his mouth :/
[06:14] <narg> just edit book to be a gnome cookbook :)
[06:14] <smouche> well, Tm_T, you could change the title of the book to "Gnome recipes" or something
[06:14] <smouche> ahhhh you beat me!
[06:14] <smouche> rofl
[06:14] <narg> snicker ;p
[06:14] <smouche> touche narg!
[06:14] <dad> or hot grannies
[06:14] <narg> thats whats, 1 to 1 now?
[06:14] <narg> dude, this is going to be a long bout...
[06:14] <smouche> score one for gran narg, arggggnn!
[06:15] <Tm_T> that's not the same, I wan't BLOOD!
[06:15] <Tm_T> http://fotos.michelazzo.com.br/albums/kde/come2.jpg
[06:16] <Tm_T> =)
[06:16] <smouche> narg = Narg ate real gnome
[06:17] <narg> Narg smart trolloc. Narg knows gnome is tasty.
[06:17] <smouche> that's nice, Tm_T -- I like that...
[06:18] <Tm_T> narg =)
[06:18] <dad> at least a dragon is better than a butterfly!
[06:18] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:19] <Tm_T> or box with colors ;p
[06:19] <smouche> gran = "gnomes roar at narg"
[06:19] <Tm_T> but an apple is teh bestest
[06:20] <dad> yes apples are good
[06:20] <smouche> seen in this light, I've made my peace with konqi, I'll even buy a plush toy...
[06:20] <Tm_T> smouche: maybe I put some blood in kunqis finers :p
[06:20] <Tm_T> konqi I mean
[06:20] <narg> no no Tm_T, you add a pool of it under him, or to one side.
[06:21] <Tm_T> that too
[06:21] <smouche> I kind of like kunqi, actually, Tm_T...
[06:21] <narg> with a bit draining down ihm
[06:21] <Tm_T> narg: then it might look like that blood comes from konqi?
[06:22] <regeya> as long as this discussion never leads toward a 'take it tux'-style piece of art, I'm all for it. ;-)
[06:22] <narg> heh, yea
[06:22] <narg> hrm
[06:22] <narg> beaker of blood possibly?
[06:22] <smouche> we need a "konqi breathing fire" screensaver...
[06:22] <dad> that would be cool
[06:23] <narg> with gnome cookbook, it looks like konqi is cooking :p
[06:23] <narg> heh, yea
[06:23] <narg> that would be.
[06:23] <smouche> "to serve gnome"
[06:23] <smouche> "to serve man"
[06:23] <narg> Hrm, this would be easier if gnome actually had a REAL mascot...
[06:23] <smouche> "towards humanity"
[06:23] <narg> hah smouche.
[06:23] <Tm_T> narg: maybe
[06:24] <smouche> "towards gnomanity"
[06:24] <Tm_T> Kill the gnome!
[06:24] <Tm_T> people want blood! people want it now!
[06:24] <Tm_T> eh, I got excited?
[06:24] <Tm_T> o/
[06:24] <dad> we could get the Dead Kennedys to write a song about it
[06:25] <smouche> blood and fire!
[06:25] <Tm_T> Nakkel: talar du svenska?
[06:25] <smouche> "kill kill kill kill, kill the gnome...."
 (I know him irl :P)
[06:30] <regeya> something I can agree with!  konqi is ugly.
[06:30] <Tm_T> hey!
[06:32] <smouche> hey yourself!
[06:32] <Tm_T> ok, gnome-cookbook it is ->
[06:32] <Tm_T> and some blood!
[06:32] <smouche> is glass-eye still here?  installing kubuntu?
[06:33] <smouche> can't wait to see the results, Tm_T
[06:33] <smouche> :-)
[06:34] <Tm_T> muahhaha
[06:34] <Tm_T> btw I'm terrible drawer ;p
[06:34] <Tm_T> you see better in kindegarden ;p
[06:34] <regeya> and I make a lousy shelf, but you don't see me making excuses
[06:35] <smouche> lol, regeya
[06:35] <smouche> gnome does drawers pretty well, I'll give 'em that...
[06:35] <smouche> don't get your drawers in a twist, gentlemen
[06:36] <dad> lol
[06:36] <smouche> barkeep -- a cold draught for the draftsman, Tm_T!  to lubricate his artistic efforts!
[06:37] <smouche> I had some lousy drawers, and I kind of liked them, but my girlfriend was such a nit-picker, you see...
[06:46] <narg> hrm, for mldonkey, whats the addy of the mlcore in debianoids?
[06:50] <smouche> thoreauputic, how ya doin?
[06:50] <kakalto> how do I kustomize kdm?
[06:50] <thoreauputic> hi - OK - an you?
[06:51] <dad> kakalto: goto kde-look.org
[06:51] <smouche> good -- did you get broadband yet?  I seem to remember you were using a dial-up, and I was amazed...
[06:53] <thoreauputic> smouche: still steam-age dialup, yes ;)
[06:55] <smouche> heh heh; not burning too many iso's, I guess-- or you're very very patient
[06:55] <thoreauputic> smouche: I'm renting and I'm waiting until I find somewhere permanent: don't want to double my sign-up fees
[06:56] <thoreauputic> smouche: I'm patient - I'll wait for my Hoary CDs to arrive :)
[06:56] <smouche> that makes sense, thoreauputic !
[06:56] <smouche> thoreauputic, move to Philadelphia, free wireless for everyone, or so I hear... ;-)
[06:57] <smouche> now there's "brotherly love" !
[06:57] <Tm_T> wy
[06:57] <thoreauputic> smouche: well, if you send me the 'plane fare, sure ;-)
[06:58] <Tm_T> bah, can't do it
[06:58] <smouche> Tm_T, how's the blood and guts dragon going?
[06:58] <Tm_T> maybe some other day, now I'm gonna get som fresh air
[06:58] <Tm_T> once a week you know ;p
[06:58] <yh>  was there any .iso on ftp? bittorent is blocked, http is slow :(
[06:59] <smouche> good plan, Tm_T.  There's too much violence in the world anyway... ;-)
[06:59] <Tm_T> haha
[07:00] <Tm_T> haa, screen irssi ->
[07:00] <smouche> irssi?
[07:01] <Tm_T> yes
[07:01] <Tm_T> wait a second
[07:01] <_mike> Greetings.  Does anyone here have NIS working with their [k] ubuntu?
[07:02] <Tm_T> smile, youre on candid camera ;)
[07:02] <smouche> what's irssi?
[07:03] <thoreauputic> smouche: tex IRC client
[07:03] <Xeon3D> smouche,  text irc client
[07:03] <thoreauputic> *text
[07:03] <smouche> ahh, thank you
[07:03] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/capture_irssi.png
[07:03] <Tm_T> best irc client
[07:04] <smouche> hmm, maybe I'll try it --
[07:04] <smouche> I'm having fun with text only browsers -- lynx was confusing for me, but I love elinks!  very cool
[07:05] <Tm_T> lynx is fine
[07:05] <smouche> whoa, I've got irssi installed already -- heh, I had no idea
[07:05] <ice_1963> linux is the best =)
[07:05] <Tm_T> haha
[07:05] <Tm_T> irssi is installed if you have Kubuntu =)
[07:06] <Tm_T> good package choises
[07:06] <ice_1963> nop gnome
[07:06] <Tm_T> yuk gnome
[07:07] <ice_1963> have you run gnome yet
[07:07] <smouche> heh, how come they didn't put it in the menu, irssi?
[07:07] <Tm_T> I did use it some time, ain't liked it
[07:07] <Tm_T> smouche: because it's text mode only ;p
[07:08] <Tm_T> smouche: why use only menu to find progs
[07:08] <thoreauputic> emacs isn't in the menu either, or vim - both are installed
[07:08] <smouche> menus are a place to start, for newbies, Tm_T!  actually, I'm using the kde menus less and less now...
[07:09] <Tm_T> yes...
[07:09] <Tm_T> Kappfinder is good tool
[07:09] <Tm_T> keeps menu updated
[07:09] <ice_1963> how is kde runing
[07:09] <smouche> I use xfce appfinder sometimes
[07:12] <smouche> well, I want to eventually learn how to use console based stuff as much as possible, because stuff crashing on me is getting to be a real pain.
[07:12] <Tm_T-> heh
[07:12] <Tm_T-> I started from shell
[07:12] <smouche> Konqueror and kate are really unstable on my system.  Thank god for rox-filer and gedit.  I like gedit.
[07:13] <Tm_T-> actually my first installed *nix was netBSD =)
[07:13] <Tm_T-> I started from the easiest ;p
[07:13] <smouche> emacs is just too much for me to learn...
[07:13] <Tm_T-> heh
[07:13] <Tm_T-> I don't even care about emacs
[07:13] <Tm_T-> nano rocks
[07:13] <smouche> I like nano.
[07:14] <Tm_T-> no sep
[07:14] <dimmak> anybody know of a windows player with similar features of amarok? cuz even if i can't convert everybody to kubuntu... i hope to at least get them using amarok in some form
[07:15] <Tm_T-> haha
[07:15] <Tm_T-> dimmak: make windows port by yourself ;p
[07:15] <smouche> I like kaffeine, but it's hard on my cpu.
[07:15] <Lancellor> hello everybodi
[07:15] <Tm_T-> plah, amarok \o/
[07:15] <smouche> maybe that's why they call it kaffeine, it keeps the system revved up even when I close it...
[07:15] <dimmak> ha
[07:15] <Tm_T-> haha
[07:16] <Tm_T-> fuckin freezing
[07:16] <Lancellor> you guys think the kubuntu it is better or the only difference is desktop
[07:16] <smouche> I like zinf for a media player, organizer
[07:16] <dimmak> Lancellor: kubuntu vs. ubuntu?
[07:17] <dimmak> i think that just amounts to personal preferences
[07:17] <Tm_T> kubuntu vs ubuntu is more KDE vs Gnome
[07:17] <smouche> all I know is Lancellor, is, for me, kubuntu is a lot easier and more pleasant to work with, as a linux newbie.  I found gnome confusing, but others swear by it.
[07:17] <Tm_T> smouche: you mean KDE
[07:17] <Lancellor> yea i'm not against anything i just need a newbie user able to use linux
[07:17] <dimmak> yeah... same thing kde vs gnome just amounts to personal preferences
[07:18] <smouche> yes, Tm_T, you're right.
[07:18] <Tm_T> 'cause kubuntu = ubuntu +kde ;p
[07:18] <smouche> anyway, (k)ubuntu, either way, is great
[07:18] <Lancellor> ok so performance and functuonality the same????
[07:18] <Tm_T> smouche: yep, just like Debian <3
[07:18] <Tm_T> Lancellor: it depends what desktop you use atc
[07:19] <dimmak> Lancellor: i just installed ubuntu to play around with... i'll let you know in a few days
[07:19] <dimmak> Lancellor: are you more productive in gnome or kde?
[07:19] <Lancellor> to be honest i want to migrate to windows
[07:19] <Tm_T> !
[07:19] <dimmak> migrate from what?
[07:19] <smouche> ?
[07:20] <Tm_T> di I understood right?!
[07:20] <dimmak> just get vmware and have windows in it
[07:20] <dimmak> that is what i do to feed my guilty pleasure
[07:20] <Tm_T> he want to start use Windows!?!?
[07:20] <Lancellor> i'm running ubuntu right know but i have seen pictures of kde and look nicer
[07:20] <Tm_T> Lancellor: yes, KDE is nicer
[07:20] <Tm_T> both bloat
[07:20] <Lancellor> from windows to kde
[07:20] <Lancellor> linux
[07:20] <Tm_T> ok
[07:21] <dimmak> even people that view windows as necessity don't necessarily want it
[07:21] <smouche> Lancellor, I find it is easier to make kde look really cool, and personalize it as much as you want
[07:21] <dimmak> ok... logic error
[07:21] <Lancellor> what about functionality
[07:21] <Tm_T> Lancellor: easier to use
[07:21] <Tm_T> imho
[07:21] <dimmak> it is really easy to get disorganized though
[07:21] <smouche> though I don't like a lot of the default kde settings, the bouncing cursors etc...
[07:21] <dimmak> but i prefer it
[07:21] <Lancellor> cool
[07:22] <Lancellor> i been using ubuntu for like a week and i lke it
[07:22] <dimmak> gnome can stay sleeker cuz it really makes you work to configure things
[07:22] <Tm_T> smouche: first thing is to make setting delight your personal lust ;p
[07:22] <smouche> dimmak, I think you describe it perfectly...
[07:22] <loren> Ubuntu kicksass
[07:22] <Tm_T> K!
[07:22] <Lancellor> even if is kain of difficult set up stuff
[07:23] <Lancellor> you know like printers and stuff
[07:23] <smouche> to be honest, I detested kde till the latest version; it was fantastic for kubuntu to come out with the newest kde right from the start
[07:24] <smouche> I'm kind of depressed that I can't get konqueror to behave, too many crashes, other than that, I love kubuntu.
[07:24] <Lancellor> thanks i'm going to give it a try  i'm going to install kubuntu on different hard drive on that way i don't mess up all my progress
[07:24] <smouche> yeah, Tm_T, tweaking settings becomes addictive!
[07:25] <Lancellor> this is the first time i use linux
[07:25] <Tm_T> heh
[07:26] <dimmak> tweaking becomes like second nature
[07:26] <smouche> Lancellor, ubuntu/kubuntu is definitely a great distro for newbies -- and not only newbies.
[07:26] <dimmak> there is no reason for a distro to be difficult
[07:26] <Tm_T> Lancellor: go to library and lend "Linux for dummies"
[07:26] <Tm_T> It's fun to read
[07:26] <Lancellor> i will doit
[07:27] <Tm_T> It's good start for s-hell ;p
[07:27] <dimmak> i have played with many distros just to see what one i can setup the fastest customized to my needs
[07:27] <Lancellor> not against windows either just like linux way to think
[07:27] <dimmak> i barely messed with gentoo
[07:27] <Tm_T> haha
[07:28] <dimmak> knoppix and kubuntu is all i need
[07:28] <Tm_T> hm, Debian for server
[07:28] <Tm_T> FC3 is allright
[07:28] <Tm_T> but not the best
[07:29] <Lancellor> i tried fedora core 3
[07:29] <loren> gah
[07:29] <dimmak> and having fast internet makes it easy to get a cd-sized distro and apt-get any additional apps you want
[07:29] <loren> i hate the fedora series
[07:29] <Lancellor> coul not set up my sound
[07:29] <dimmak> i feel for the people on dialup out there
[07:29] <dimmak> blah
[07:30] <smouche> sound is always a pain.
[07:30] <_kkathman> howdy smouche :)
[07:30] <dimmak> i wouldn't mind fedora if it didn't start broke
[07:30] <smouche> hi _kkathman!
[07:31] <_kkathman> oops just noticed my ghost there :)
[07:31] <dimmak> but at least i got a crash course in configuring all sorts of update programs like yum, synaptic, and apt-get
[07:31] <Tm_T> muah
[07:31] <kkathman> thats better
[07:31] <smouche> (k)ubuntu did very well with almost all my sound cards; only problem was an external usb soundblaster that wouldn't work-- couldn't find a driver
[07:32] <Lancellor> what do you guys know about solaris
[07:32] <kkathman> yep, I cant get amarOK to stream a CD directly, but as I understand it, thats not what it was designed for
[07:32] <dimmak> the box i am testing ubuntu on is missing the network driver, at first i thought it might only be ubuntu... but it did the same thing when i thought to just install kubuntu on it too.
[07:32] <kkathman> Kaffeine works great tho
[07:33] <Tm_T> yrrrh
[07:33] <smouche> Lancellor, all I know is Solaris is an awesome book by Stanislaw Lem!  and a great movie by Tarkowski!  ;-)
[07:33] <Tm_T> why here's no channel ops
[07:33] <Tm_T> Lancellor: solaris is ok
[07:33] <dimmak> and it rhymes with polaris... and i like recreational vehicles as much as the next guy
[07:34] <Lancellor> i was reading on a linux magazine about it souns interesting what this people want to do
[07:34] <Tm_T> Lancellor: I might test it someday
[07:34] <smouche> kktathman, I like kaffeine a lot, but for some reason, when I close it, it keeps my cpu locked up at full speed, (amd64)...
[07:34] <kkathman> smouche, there is a FAQ on that on the Kaffiene site I think
[07:35] <kkathman> it does that on my machine too, and im running an AMD Semperon 2500+
[07:35] <Tm_T> Lancellor: I think Solaris is for server only, no need for that kinda unix to desktop use
[07:35] <smouche> thanks, kkathman -- yeah, and I think I saw a bug report somewhere on the kubuntu site too...
[07:35] <kkathman> I have to go in and kill the process
[07:35] <Lancellor> ok
[07:35] <Lancellor> i did not know
[07:35] <Lancellor> i just read about it
[07:35] <Tm_T> Lancellor: because it IS UNIX
[07:35] <Tm_T> afaik
[07:36] <kkathman> I gots to find a really good resource on configuring samba I think
[07:36] <Tm_T> and yes, there is differences between linux, *BSD and UNIX
[07:37] <kkathman> Tm_T: yeah like the are 3 different operating systems loosely based on a similar concept :)
[07:37] <Tm_T> kkathman: very loosely
[07:37] <kkathman> but they do share similar core commands
[07:37] <Tm_T> yes
[07:37] <kkathman> I mean an rm in each one still removes a file, cp is a copy, cd etc
[07:37] <Tm_T> yes
[07:38] <Tm_T> my friend have solaris in his laptop =)
[07:38] <Tm_T> doesn't have X at all =)
[07:38] <Lancellor> i just burn my image of kubuntu i'm goig to try of install it
[07:38] <kkathman> And, there are significant differences between AIX, Solaris, AIX and HP-UX, and berkley Unix...blah blah
[07:38] <Tm_T> you do that
[07:39] <Lancellor> thnaks guys for sure i will se ya later with my stupid questions
[07:39] <Tm_T> =)
[07:39] <Tm_T> Lancellor: thanks yer warning
[07:39] <kkathman> good look Lancellor
[07:39] <Lancellor> just be have some patience
[07:40] <Tm_T> ok, it's the time of the day
[07:40] <kkathman> Tm_T: happy hour?
[07:40] <Tm_T> you know what I mean?
[07:40] <Tm_T> no no no
[07:40] <kkathman> its always happy hour somewhere in the world :)
[07:40] <smouche> kkathman -- this looks like a  fairly exhaustive (and exhausting) guide to Samba:  http://de.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/
[07:40] <Tm_T> it's 0842 and there's gotta be some...
[07:40] <kkathman> hey...great smouche thanks for that :)
[07:41] <Tm_T> Dirty Mac !!!
[07:41] <Tm_T> Dirty Mac - Yer Blues
[07:41] <Tm_T> prkl
[07:43] <smouche> kkathman, I don't need Samba anymore, because my Windows box crashed and burned this morning!  hard drive failure with about a 120 gigs of data gone!!  aaaaaaaaaarghhghgh!
[07:43] <Tm_T> I bet my neighbours kill me but gotta play that loud =)
[07:43] <smouche> "windows share" -- share the pain!
[07:43] <Tm_T> hahaha
[07:43] <kkathman> smouche, I got a frantic call from a client today...her computer died too
[07:43] <Bicchi> i just finished installing kubuntu for the first time. now i need to know how to install firefox. 100% newby
[07:44] <Tm_T> haha
[07:44] <Tm_T> Bicchi: open Konsole
[07:44] <Tm_T> ...
[07:44] <kkathman> so I gotta make a trip tomorrow, buy some parts, put a new computer together, and hope that I can rescue the data from her other machine
[07:44] <Tm_T> hah
[07:45] <smouche> Bicchi, sudo apt-get install firefox , then enter password, I think --
[07:45] <kkathman> it was one of those god-forsaken e-Machines!!!  They ought to arrest people that sell that box
[07:45] <Tm_T> smouche: no no, its mozilla-firefox
[07:45] <kkathman> yep Tm_T is right
[07:45] <smouche> right!  sorry! thanks Tm_T, my bad
[07:45] <Tm_T> np
[07:46] <Bicchi> thanks
[07:46] <kkathman> I still prefer Opera to Firefox on my box...its faster....at least for me it is
[07:46] <Bicchi> do i need to download anything else before that.
[07:46] <Tm_T> Bicchi: we're gonna make 1337 h4x0r from you =)
[07:46] <Tm_T> Bicchi: no?
[07:47] <smouche> I like Opera better too, but for some reason the fonts look horrrrrible on my system... can't figure out why everything in opera looks cruddier on linux...
[07:47] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, firefox have bad habit to be heavy in some boxes :/
[07:47] <kkathman> smouche, they look worse on mine too, at least worse than Windoze
[07:48] <Tm_T> I'm lucky, I have lightweight FF \o/
[07:48] <kkathman> Tm_T: I think so too
[07:48] <Tm_T> in my all boxes =)
[07:48] <kkathman> Tm_T: even the base install seems heavy
[07:48] <Tm_T> haha
[07:48] <kkathman> Konqeror blazes on my system tho
[07:48] <Tm_T> ok, it's gecko then
[07:49] <smouche> I love Konqueror, when it doesn't crash.  Damn, I think maybe it's my fault for being too lazy to look for a better driver for my video card...
[07:49] <kkathman> Tm_T: I assume when you say its lightweight, you didnt use any plugins
[07:50] <kkathman> smouche Konq has some buggies, some sites come up 1/2 way and hang occasionally
[07:50] <Tm_T> kkathman: I do use couple plufins
[07:50] <Tm_T> uh
[07:51] <kkathman> Tm_T: I did the mod to turn off the Ipv6 thing too
[07:51] <Bicchi> hey the installation did not install. the gcc or g++ ?
[07:51] <Tm_T> kkathman: no needed to
[07:51] <kkathman> Bicchi, not standardly
[07:51] <Tm_T> Bicchi: have bot
[07:51] <Tm_T> h
[07:51] <Tm_T> fuck!
[07:51] <kkathman> LOL
[07:51] <Tm_T> remember breatch slowly...
[07:51] <Tm_T> -c
[07:52] <Tm_T> typoxiit
[07:52] <Bicchi> take your time typing go easy on the cafeine.
[07:52] <Tm_T> hahaha
[07:52] <smouche> I thought that was just geek language -- you mean it's typos???
[07:52] <kkathman> lol
[07:52] <smouche> I am so disillusioned!
[07:52] <Tm_T> smouche: typo and xiit ;p
[07:53] <Tm_T> "that much typos?! you gotta xiit!"
[07:53] <kkathman> I installed superkaramba today...I like some of the eye candy, but I guess I was expecting more
[07:53] <Tm_T> kkathman: too heavy to me, I hate karamba
[07:53] <Tm_T> torsmo <3
[07:53] <kkathman> Tm_T: its not all that heavy on my system at all...like 4 mb
[07:53] <smouche> I don't have enough memory for that stuff, but it's fun
[07:54] <Tm_T> kkathman: thats too much for me =)
[07:54] <kkathman> Tm_T: gotcha
[07:54] <Tm_T> kkathman: I even gonna start to use fluxbox because it's much lighter
[07:54] <kkathman> fluxbox?
[07:54] <Tm_T> yes
[07:54] <smouche> The universe is just one big typo and we're lucky God is too proud to use spell-check.
[07:54] <kkathman> whats that?
[07:55] <kkathman> Amen smouche :)
[07:55] <Tm_T> kkathman: you dont know?!
[07:55] <kkathman> nope
[07:55] <kkathman> heard it a few time Tm_T
[07:55] <Tm_T> http://www.fluxbox.org/
[07:55] <Tm_T> http://www.fluxbox.org/zoom.php?shots-dev/majes_fluxbox.jpg
[07:55] <Tm_T> and that for easy
[07:56] <kkathman> ahh ok another desktop manager
[07:56] <Tm_T> IF you know what yo do =)
[07:56] <kkathman> if you are struggling for memory, you could try xfce also...its pretty nice
[07:56] <Tm_T> kkathman: I got only 1G ;p
[07:56] <Tm_T> gotta buy more
[07:56] <kkathman> 1G??? of memory?
[07:56] <Tm_T> yes
[07:57] <kkathman> lol I have only 512 MB
[07:57] <Tm_T> hah
[07:57] <kkathman> hehe
[07:57] <kkathman> whats a freakin 4mb for you then??? lol
[07:57] <Tm_T> my second workstation have that
[07:57] <smouche> 512 is what I have on my new laptop, and it ain't enough.
[07:57] <Tm_T> =)
[07:57] <smouche> well , it would be, if I were sensible!
[07:58] <kkathman> geez I ran linux and xfce on an old HP pavillion with only 96mb of memory
[07:58] <smouche> xfce is wonderful
[07:58] <Tm_T> kkathman: bacause Desktop should use ONLY 100MB
[07:58] <kkathman> 1G is hella big for Linux :)
[07:58] <Tm_T> but KDE use much more :/
[07:58] <Tm_T> kkathman: not
[07:59] <Tm_T> watta..
[07:59] <kkathman> well right now I am running Kubuntu, Konqueror (w 3 tabs), Superkaramba, konversation, 2 Karamba apps, and Gaim, and im using only 446 mb
[07:59] <Tm_T> too much
[07:59] <Tm_T> way too much
[08:00] <kkathman> running too much?
[08:00] <Tm_T> using
[08:00] <kkathman> the response is great!
[08:00] <Tm_T> =)
[08:00] <smouche> kkathman, I want you to run kaffeine now, with full screen visualization, and 45 instances of kate.
[08:00] <smouche> then report back
[08:00] <kkathman> im sure I got some processes I could kill though...but I dont know enough to kill them yet
[08:01] <kkathman> 45 instances of kate??? WHY??
[08:01] <smouche> kill 'em all, let konqi sort em out...
[08:01] <smouche> just for fun
[08:01] <kkathman> course...I also have a Winbox sitting next to me with 250GB and a a 2GB of memory that I can run anything on
[08:01] <smouche> shit, kate krashes on me freak-uently
[08:01] <Tm_T> 3x Konsole, FF(over ten tabs), TB, Gaim, Gimp and  220MB used
[08:02] <kkathman> whats the secret Tm_T  ??
[08:02] <kkathman> please share :)
[08:02] <smouche> Gimp just killed my other laptop
[08:02] <Tm_T> haha
[08:02] <kkathman> is the junk processes Ive got?
[08:02] <Tm_T> maybe
[08:02] <Tm_T> I have now something fishy going on, just doubled ram usage =)
[08:02] <Tm_T> lets see top
[08:03] <Tm_T> "open konsole and say top"
[08:03] <Tm_T> ;p
[08:03] <kkathman> me?
[08:03] <Tm_T> yes
[08:03] <smouche> top!  cool, I didn't know about that command -- nifty
[08:03] <kkathman> ok
[08:03] <kkathman> what do you wanna know?
[08:04] <kkathman> dont you get the same thing by ctrl-esc in kde?
[08:04] <Tm_T> nope
[08:04] <Tm_T> no candy! ;p
[08:05] <Tm_T> learn to use konsole =)
[08:05] <kkathman> oh I know
[08:05] <kkathman> hehe
[08:05] <kkathman> so what is it that I should look for :)
[08:05] <Tm_T> just look what its telling to ya
[08:05] <smouche> jeez, I'm using 502 MB  -- with just x-chat, firefox, RealPlayer, Synaptic and streamtuner (not playing) running, and a couple of Konsoles...
[08:05] <kkathman> this is my first time to see it
[08:05] <kkathman> it keeps moving
[08:06] <kkathman> lol
[08:06] <Tm_T> smouche: vhy x-chat oh why oh why!
[08:06] <Tm_T> kkathman: ofcourse
[08:06] <Tm_T> kkathman: realtime you know
[08:06] <kkathman> 6% of my memory is Xorg, predictably
[08:06] <brazmetal> Amule x Xmule
[08:06] <brazmetal> which is better?
[08:06] <smouche> because I'm too stupid to use Irssi, Tm_T!
[08:06] <Tm_T> haha
[08:06] <Tm_T> 09:06 Irssi uptime: 55d 11h 22m 14s
[08:07] <Tm_T> not enough yet
[08:07] <kkathman> trying to see which of those columns is MB :)
[08:07] <smouche> 55 days???
[08:07] <Tm_T> lets see what another irssi says...
[08:07] <Tm_T> smouche: yep
[08:07] <kkathman> RES?
[08:07] <Tm_T> smouche: that short beacuse of hardware upgrade
[08:07] <smouche> rofl
[08:08] <Tm_T> smouche: almost continuous Irssi from last solstice ;p
[08:08] <Bicchi> in the mnt folder i do not see windows mounted?
[08:08] <Tm_T> Bicchi: should it?
[08:08] <Bicchi> Tm_T: if i need to access it. How can i do so?
[08:09] <smouche> wow; damn, I reboot all the time.
[08:09] <smouche> I'm really not in a linux mindset yet... hah hahah hah
[08:10] <Tm_T> Bicchi: hmm, is it ntfs ?
[08:10] <kkathman> Tm_T: Weird...I quit superkarumba, and I thought I'd get that memory resource back in the total but didnt
[08:10] <Bicchi> Tm_T: yes
[08:10] <Tm_T> Bicchi: ok, then it's gonna be rad only
[08:10] <Tm_T> read only
[08:10] <Tm_T> Bicchi: hmm, what /mount says?
[08:11] <Bicchi> nothing there
[08:11] <Tm_T> o sorry, only mount
[08:11] <Tm_T> wtf am I sleeping or what =)
[08:11] <Tm_T> not thinking at all
[08:12] <Tm_T> Bicchi: what "mount" says
[08:12] <Tm_T> in Konsole
[08:12] <Tm_T> give me root line
[08:12] <Tm_T> or ntfs line if there's any
[08:12] <smouche> Tm_T, how do I find out which process is which PID?
[08:13] <kkathman> wow Im amazed how big konversation is mem wize
[08:13] <Tm_T> smouche: hmm, why need to know?
[08:13] <Bicchi> Tm_T: there is no root line or ntfs
[08:13] <Tm_T> kkathman: that's why I run irssi in another computer =)
[08:13] <Tm_T> Bicchi: / line?
[08:14] <Bicchi> Tm_T: /dev/sda2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[08:14] <kkathman> Tm_T: irssi?
[08:14] <smouche> well, I mean "top" is telling me the PIDs, but do I need the -- oops
[08:14] <kkathman> ah the irc client?
[08:14] <Tm_T> yes
[08:14] <smouche> never mind, Ctl-esc gives me what I want to see...
[08:14] <Tm_T> =)
[08:15] <Tm_T> Bicchi: ok, so windows partition should be sda1 ?
[08:15] <Bicchi> i guess
[08:15] <smouche> but it would be nice if "top" would give the name of the processess too ... is there anothe console command for that?
[08:16] <Tm_T> Bicchi: ok then, make dir for that partition, lets say /mnt/ntfs
[08:16] <kkathman> smouche: it should be out to the far right
[08:16] <Tm_T> Bicchi: just "mkdir /mnt/ntfs"
[08:17] <Bicchi> Tm_T: i get permission denied. do i need sudo?
[08:17] <Tm_T> Bicchi: then yes
[08:17] <Bicchi> k
[08:17] <Tm_T> ...kyll?
[08:17] <smouche> hah hah, kkathman!  you're right!  I'm an idiot!
[08:18] <kkathman> lol..not an idiot :)
[08:18] <smouche> weird, I never would have seen that if you hadn't told me -- the window was the wrong size...
[08:18] <Tm_T> Bicchi: OR you can chance writing rights of /mnt
[08:18] <Tm_T> smouche: haha
[08:19] <kkathman> smouche:  how do you think I know what to tell you :)   Been there, done that got the t-shirt
[08:19] <Tm_T> uh, so this is not hte place where I'm gonna ask any help, I see
[08:19] <kkathman> sure go ahead and ask
[08:19] <Bicchi> Tm_T: so what do i do after mkdir
[08:19] <Tm_T> Bicchi: use mount
[08:19] <kkathman> now, we cant guarantee we have an answer :)
[08:19] <Bicchi> teach me
[08:19] <Tm_T> Bicchi: wan't to learn it by myself or wan't the right answer right away?
[08:20] <Bicchi> learn it
[08:20] <Tm_T> yoursef ofcourse
[08:20] <Tm_T> then use man mount ;p
[08:20] <smouche> rofl, kkathman
[08:20] <Tm_T> man <command> is really useful
[08:21] <kkathman> Tm_T: we are fortunate that you have knowledge that we can receive, thats what is great about being in the channel...you learn things as you go from other  people's questions :)
[08:21] <smouche> my favorite man page is man man.
[08:21] <Tm_T> kkathman: I afraid so =)
[08:21] <Tm_T> smouche: mine would be man woman but there's none :/
[08:22] <kkathman> I know someone helped you at one time...people have helped me, so I reciprocate where I can :)
[08:22] <Tm_T> yes
[08:22] <Tm_T> I'm n00b myself
[08:22] <Tm_T> just bagan using linux
[08:22] <smouche> I know, it sucks.  there should at least be an "info woman" or something
[08:22] <kkathman> but part of the fun of Linux...is learning it
[08:22] <Tm_T> about 1year
[08:22] <Tm_T> smouche: you tell me!
[08:22] <kkathman> I didnt learn what I did about Windows in a few weeks either :)
[08:23] <kkathman> why it took me like 20 years to know that it really suxors
[08:23] <Tm_T> kkathman: window sucks, there is nothing you can tweak ;p
[08:23] <smouche> hmm, is chatzilla any good?
[08:23] <Tm_T> smouche: it is ok
[08:23] <Tm_T> not as good as IRSSI but good ;p
[08:23] <kkathman> Tm_T: well you can tweak a little, but not much, and what you can, you can get in trouble
[08:24] <smouche> exactly, kkathman.
[08:24] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes, and it still sucks =)
[08:24] <kkathman> Tm_T: know what I like most about Linux?
[08:24] <Tm_T> flexibility?
[08:24] <kkathman> IT DOESNT HAVE A F&*&ing registry!!!
[08:24] <smouche> the penguin?
[08:24] <Tm_T> haha
[08:24] <Tm_T> kkathman: editin' regisrty was biggest fun =)
[08:24] <smouche> yep, that's it in a nutshell.  goddamn registry.
[08:25] <kkathman> yeah but its the biggest source of bloat in windows
[08:25] <Tm_T> uuh, funky!
[08:25] <Tm_T> this is for ye all: Deep Purple - You Can't Do It Right
[08:26] <kakalto> how do I set up uim for kde?
[08:26] <Tm_T> uim?
[08:26] <kkathman> hey kakalto :)
[08:26] <kakalto> kkathman, hey :D
[08:26] <Tm_T> fuckin' headache
[08:26] <smouche> speaking of windows; I gotta see if my hard drives have cooled off in my windows box, and if I can rescue anything; oh the pain...
[08:26] <Tm_T> can't think!
[08:27] <smouche> good night folks, or good morning, or whatever...
[08:27] <kkathman> smouche, good luck
[08:27] <kkathman> cya :)
[08:27] <smouche> thanks
[08:28] <kakalto> kkathman. I unnofficially now have kubuntu
[08:28] <kkathman> excellent!
[08:28] <kakalto> I'm actually liking kde now
[08:28] <kakalto> I set it up how my xfce was :P
[08:28] <Tm_T> heh
[08:28] <kkathman> I liked xfce alot....was very good for my other, low memory machine
[08:29] <kakalto> yeh
[08:29] <Tm_T> I officially have Kubuntu, FC3, Debian Sarge, W2k, wfw3.11+DOS6.22 and one pc without OS
[08:30] <kkathman> wow wfw!!
[08:30] <dimmak> rocking the 3.11...where is commodore 64?
[08:31] <Tm_T> hm, no need to
[08:31] <kkathman> I just retired a ms win98se machine
[08:31] <Tm_T> I do have somewhere MTX!
[08:31] <Tm_T> and I do have dos2.4 somwhere in floppy =)
[08:32] <kkathman> rofl...you are a packrat dude
[08:32] <Tm_T> not
[08:32] <kkathman> anyone that has wfw and dos 2.4  is a packrat :)
[08:32] <Tm_T> plah
[08:33] <Tm_T> you know nothing avout that =)
[08:33] <kkathman> oh yeah I do
[08:33] <dimmak> i think digital packratting is ok... it is the piles of newspapers and those homes on the learning channel to get afraid off
[08:33] <dimmak> of
[08:33] <kkathman> Tm_T: I put my first computer together in 1975
[08:33] <Tm_T> heh
[08:33] <dimmak> Tm_T: what is your definition of a driver?
[08:33] <kkathman> literall with boards, components a soldering iron, etc
[08:34] <Tm_T> kkathman: I started to use computers somwhere around 1989
[08:34] <dimmak> oops i mean kkathman
[08:34] <Tm_T> when I was 6(?)
[08:34] <dimmak> i am not paying attention
[08:34] <Tm_T> dimmak: no need to ;p
[08:34] <kkathman> Tm_T: I had an Apple ] [+  with a serial number less than 300
[08:34] <kkathman> that was like 5 years later or something :)
[08:34] <Tm_T> kkathman: had!!?
[08:35] <kkathman> yeah had
[08:35] <kakalto> do ya think my printer will plug & play?
[08:35] <Tm_T> that's it, I'm gonna kill you!
[08:35] <Tm_T> =)
[08:35] <kkathman> gosh I put an old CP/M card in it at one time :)
[08:35] <Tm_T> kakalto: what? P&P?
[08:35] <kakalto> I mean, relatively easily
[08:35] <kkathman> what I mean, is had...is that it doesnt run anymore
[08:35] <dimmak> plug and pray on linux
[08:35] <kkathman> no monitor
[08:36] <kakalto> dimmak: I heard it was that way on earlier windows.
[08:36] <kkathman> remember, it had a special monitor back then
[08:36] <dimmak> it is difficult to drag vendors into supporting their hardware on linux
[08:37] <kkathman> yep it is
[08:37] <dimmak> slowly its potential is being realized by the cunts
[08:37] <dimmak> sorry i couldn't think of a softer word
[08:37] <kkathman> even worse is popular, commerical software wont go there either
[08:38] <Tm_T> kkathman: uhh, c-cassette as mass storage, what an great idea =)
[08:38] <kkathman> Try talking to Macromedia to get Dreamweaver or Flash on Linux...not gonna happen :(
[08:38] <kkathman> Tm_T: LOL...true that I put that module together too
[08:39] <dimmak> well anybody that understands how to use linux can probably easily pirate any software
[08:39] <kkathman> the first thing I put together was a 4mb memory machine called a SWTP
[08:39] <Tm_T> I wish I can go back and live those moments again when you first time hear that squee<ing melody of ascii graphics =)
[08:39] <dimmak> so we are probably hard to trust
[08:39] <kkathman> cassete loaded programs, and I put together an infamous Heathkit monitor
[08:39] <Tm_T> uh
[08:39] <_mike> Anyone having issues with nvidia drivers in Kubunut?
[08:39] <Tm_T> _mike: working fine
[08:39] <kakalto> _mike: yup
[08:40] <kkathman> kubunut - I like that :)
[08:40] <Tm_T> yuh
[08:40] <kakalto> _mike: X won't start if I use nvidia
[08:40] <kakalto> neither will it work if I have nvidia-glx
[08:40] <_mike> My glxgears is still using mesa GL libs.  I've done nvidia-glx-config enable
[08:40] <kakalto> I have to use nv
[08:40] <dimmak> what kind of display do you have?
[08:40] <_mike> And /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx is set to start on boot.
[08:41] <_mike> dimmak: Are you asking me or kakalto?
[08:41] <Tm_T> kakalto: you use too new kernel?
[08:41] <kakalto> Tm_T: I use default, <IP_ADDRESS> is it?
[08:41] <dimmak> either, neither... doesn't matter
[08:42] <_mike> kakalto: Did you add nvidia to /etc/modules?
[08:43] <_mike> Am i supposed to do something else to make the system use the NVidia GL libs instead of the mesa libs?
[08:43] <kakalto> _mike: yes
[08:43] <kakalto> to the first question, not the second
[08:44] <_mike> kakalto: Sorry, I don't know how advanced you are :)
[08:44] <kakalto> _mike: it's alright
[08:45] <Tm_T> kakalto: yes, with that kernel my nvidia works just fine
[08:45] <Tm_T> no problems at all =)
[08:45] <kakalto> perhaps it was the glx thing
[08:45] <Tm_T> yes
[08:46] <Tm_T> hmm, why I have 4 irc clients running
[08:46] <Tm_T> and everyone running in different box =)
[08:46] <kakalto> hehe
[08:47] <Tm_T> hah
[08:47] <Tm_T> wtf "Remote closed the connection"
[08:48] <Tm_T> sob
[08:48] <Tm_T> =)
[08:48] <Tm_T> I'm cruel sometimes
[08:49] <Tm_T> maybe it's beacuse I have 8 big brothers
[08:50] <kkathman> hi kay :)
[08:50] <Tm_T> sakemanni
[08:50] <kay> hello everybody
[08:51] <Tm_T> German?
[08:53] <kay> Riddell: Congrats on the release
[08:54] <Tm_T> www
[08:54] <Tm_T> Killall *
[08:55] <kay> Bored Tm_T ?
[08:55] <Tm_T> something like that
[08:55] <Tm_T> kay: no sleep last night
[08:56] <kay> Ah
[08:56] <kkathman> well Im off to bed... Tm_T nice to get to know you...appreciate your help and knowledge :)
[08:57] <kay> good sleep kkathman
[08:57] <kkathman> thanx kay :)
[08:58] <Tm_T> ...
[08:58] <Tm_T> my konwledge?
[08:58] <Tm_T> oh typoxiit
[09:03] <Tm_T> ok, lets do some killall ] ;=
[09:11] <kay> ah, beaver is not yet branched
[09:13] <Beineri> kakalto: already running kubuntu-desktop now?
[09:14] <kakalto> yup
[09:14] <kakalto> :D
[09:14] <kakalto> quite good actually
[09:14] <kakalto> aside from a few issues