[01:05] <stvn> hi, is the menu structure from ubuntu been disgarded in hoary (eg. the computer menu on the top bar?) since i cannot find it anymore
[01:06] <nkko> hy
[01:07] <nkko> can someone help me on instaling intel 536ep modem in ubuntu?
[01:07] <nkko> :)
[01:07] <stvn> jab: doesn't dmesg give you a clue? scsibus6 could be /dev/sdf1 though
[01:07] <stvn> er sdf
[01:10] <farruinn> ubhuti, hoary menus
[01:10] <ubhuti> If you are beffuddled by the fact that your Gnome menus have changed after a recent upgrade, don't be alarmed. This is only temporary while the Ubuntu proposed changes are taken care of upstream.  For more see http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2004-December/002057.html.
[01:10] <farruinn> I think this will be fixed rather soon
[01:11] <jab> stvn: not a valid block device. So, no :/
[01:11] <stvn> ubhuti is the new bot?
[01:11] <ubhuti> stvn: I give up, what is it?
[01:11] <stvn> heh
[01:11] <farruinn> erm, he's my bot
[01:12] <stvn> farruinn: there used to be a bot here called bonobo, he was useful for remembering urls ;)
[01:12] <farruinn> well ubhuti isn't extremely intelligent yet
[01:13] <farruinn> I have that listen always option set though so who knows what he's picking up =)
[01:13] <stvn> farruinn: a nice feature to add is that he can direct answers to certain ppl
[01:14] <farruinn> tell, right?
[01:14] <farruinn> I don't believe I've set it to /msg however
[01:15] <stvn> farruinn: like you say ubhuti: hoary menus stvn and than ubhuti puts stvn: in front of the answer
[01:17] <intinig> by default my box is secure right?
[01:17] <intinig> I mean all the ports are closed and so on
[01:17] <stvn> jab: does dmesg | grep USB or dmesg | grep CD give any suggestion?
[01:17] <stvn> intinig: yes
[01:17] <stvn> intinig: the ports are closed, the security level is also up to you ;)
[01:18] <nkko> ok, does anyone have intel 536ep modem maybe?
[01:18] <crazney> hey, i'm installing a new ubuntu system.. from 4.10 or whatever. i get this weird error during installation of the base system.. 'the debootstrap program exited with an error'.. blah.. virtual console 3 tells me that errors were encountered while processing console-common... postfix, postifx-tls.. and it says 'mv: unable to rename `/target/user/sbin/sendmail' no such file or dir.'
[01:18] <intinig> stvn, I just want to ssh to this box, apache2 and ftp
[01:18] <stvn> nkko: what kind of modem, normal, cable adsl?
[01:18] <crazney> is that.. bad?
[01:18] <intinig> stvn, without anyone breaking into it
[01:19] <nkko> stvn: normal analog
[01:19] <stvn> intinig: install ssh, apache2 and an ftp server and keep good passwords, than it's reasonable secure
[01:19] <nkko> stvn: i think it's on ambient chip
[01:19] <intinig> stvn, ok thx that's what I wanted to hear :D
[01:20] <nkko> and how can i set "wait for dialtone=off"
[01:20] <stvn> nkko: it appears to be a winmodem, try searching in google for intel 536ep ubuntu, it produces quite some hits
[01:21] <stvn> nkko: or for linux or debian in stead of ubuntu
[01:21] <stvn> nkko: never had a winmodem, so can't really help you
[01:21] <nkko> hehehe tnx i forget google :)
[01:22] <jab> stvn: it gives the same message as 'cdrecord -scanbus' ... that a device is noticed at 'scsibus6'
[01:22] <nkko> how about changing screen refresh rate? in display options i have some preset values... that doesnt suite me
[01:22] <stvn> jab: does it recognise it as a CD player?
[01:23] <stvn> nkko: if they are far too low, probably your monitor isn't properly recognised and you need to change the sync values in the X config file
[01:23] <jab> stvn: yes, cd-rom. is that a problem?
[01:24] <stvn> jab: did you try to put a cd in it?
[01:24] <nkko> where can i found that file?
[01:24] <stvn> jab: it /should/ automount a CD and than you can see what drive it is ;)
[01:24] <stvn> nkko: //etc/X11/XFConfig-4
[01:25] <Gmail> open office is now bind to some wirod widjets
[01:25] <stvn> nkko: //etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:25] <Gmail> there all grey
[01:26] <nkko> tnx
[01:27] <intinig> what's the ubuntu ftp server of choice?
[01:27] <jab> stvn: hmm... mount says 'usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)'
[01:27] <crimsun> vsftpd, more than likely
[01:27] <intinig> crimsun, thanks I guessed right then :)
[01:30] <stvn> jab: oh hm, tries cdrecord -device /proc/bus/usb ? ;)
[01:31] <will> hi ppl, what is a good program for encoding mp3's/ogg's from WAVE files?
[01:31] <farruinn> oggenc
[01:32] <farruinn> available in vorbis-tools package
[01:32] <will> farruinn: are there any nicefrontends?
[01:33] <farruinn> well ubuntu comes with sound juicer you know
[01:33] <farruinn> in preferences you can select ogg
[01:33] <farruinn> but you can't select quality settings or anything like that...
[01:34] <will> farruinn: Sound Juicer is rubbish
[01:34] <farruinn> heheh, I agree
[01:35] <ericf> I used grip for a while
[01:35] <farruinn> but it does a good job at putting files in logical places and giving them good names
[01:35] <will> humm found something called mp3c
[01:35] <ericf> it's not standard-ubuntu
[01:35] <farruinn> will, that won't be gui
[01:35] <jab> stvn: little luck with that.
[01:36] <ericf> and I don't know if grip can encode wav's, I used it to rip and encode cd's... It's good for that. Try it.
[01:36] <will> getting grip now
[01:37] <miraj> hello
[01:37] <miraj> may I ask a question please?
[01:37] <farruinn> ask
[01:38] <miraj> Im not sure why but I can only boot to terminal, my machine wont boot to GUI. THis happened after I switched it off without logging out one day. Ive tried changing the runlevel to 5 is this right?Because it doesnt work
[01:40] <will> audacity can export wavs via libmp3lame to mp3 or vorbis
[01:40] <crimsun> miraj: no - Ubuntu, like Debian, does not play runlevel games. Leave it at 2, since 2-5 are identical.
[01:41] <miraj> oh, ok so how do I make it boot to gui?
[01:41] <nomasteryoda> audacity is nice
[01:41] <crimsun> miraj: the cause of your computer's failure to boot into X Windows is most likely outlined in the log file: /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[01:41] <miraj> hmmm
[01:42] <crimsun> miraj: please paste that file onto a paste web site along with your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:42] <miraj> is it serious?
[01:43] <crimsun> miraj: hmm?
[01:43] <miraj> Im thinking
[01:43] <crimsun> miraj: we can't assist you in diagnosing the problem without those two files. :)
[01:43] <miraj> is it serious?
[01:43] <miraj> oh ok
[01:43] <miraj> well Ill go get them and ten come bcak..............
[01:43] <miraj> thanks
[01:44] <tonym32> hi
[01:44] <will> why on earth is my libmp3lame.so called libmp3lame.so.0 ????? is this an ubuntu thing ?
[01:44] <will> cprograms cant locate it if its given that strage name!
[01:44] <crimsun> erm
[01:44] <crimsun> that's normal
[01:45] <crimsun> it's a dynamic librar{ies,y} thing and quite normal across UNIX-like platforms
[01:46] <farruinn> make a symlink if you want
[01:48] <will> ok! oops!
[01:48] <will> i had one broken sym link when i did a search for that library
[01:54] <Pizbit> Any thoughts on configuring nautilus to use esd for previewing sound files?
[02:02] <padlefot> anyone know anything about gDesklets?
[02:03] <Pizbit> A little
[02:03] <padlefot> i really dont know how to make the desklets work
[02:03] <padlefot> no matter what i do, i get some sort of stupid error
[02:04] <Pizbit> Heh
[02:04] <padlefot> can you just fill me in on how to make a desklet work?
[02:04] <padlefot> 8)
[02:04] <Pizbit> There's two parts too it.
[02:04] <Pizbit> Adding the desklets themselves, and running the desklets program to show them.
[02:05] <padlefot> okay
[02:05] <farruinn> adding the desklets is even two-part
[02:05] <padlefot> i think i need to know howto do the first one
[02:05] <Pizbit> Have a look in /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/
[02:05] <Pizbit> And find the ,display file for the desklet you want, now run gdesklets <name of .display file>
[02:06] <Pizbit> Then run gdesklets if it's not already running.
[02:06] <Pizbit> Alternatively browse there in nautilus and associate gdesklets with the ,display files and double click on them:)
[02:07] <mjt> what
[02:08] <mjt> what's a [g] desklet anyway?
[02:08] <padlefot> shoud i do all this as root, Pizbit ?
[02:08] <Pizbit> Lol no
[02:08] <Pizbit> As the user you're logged in as:)
[02:08] <mjt> something written in java that's running on the desktop, similar to servlets? ;)
[02:09] <padlefot> cause then i've done it all right
[02:09] <Pizbit> mjr: python
[02:09] <padlefot> and it still doesnt work
[02:09] <padlefot> :P
[02:09] <Pizbit> You did run gdesklets after adding the .display files right?
[02:10] <padlefot> okay, i had a look in /usr/share/gdekslets/display
[02:10] <padlefot> and nothing was there
[02:10] <Pizbit> No folders?
[02:10] <padlefot> but i did istall a desklet to /home/user/Weatherappthingy/
[02:10] <Pizbit> Note, it's "/usr/share/gdesklets/Displays"
[02:10] <padlefot> and ran waeahter.display with gdesklets using nautilus
[02:11] <padlefot> that folder wasnt even there
[02:11] <padlefot> :S
[02:11] <padlefot> the /Displays one
[02:11] <Pizbit> How did you install gdesklets?
[02:11] <padlefot> apt-get
[02:11] <padlefot> install gdesklets
[02:11] <Pizbit> Did you install gdesklets-data as well?
[02:11] <padlefot> hopefully
[02:11] <padlefot> :P
[02:11] <Pizbit> Unlikely, go install it:)
[02:13] <farruinn> that ought to be a dependency rather than a recommends
[02:13] <Pizbit> Yeah, just thinking that
[02:13] <padlefot> okay
[02:13] <padlefot> now its done
[02:15] <farruinn> does bugzilla.ubuntu.org only track bugs in main?  since universe is automatically built from debian...
[02:15] <Pizbit> Universe is 'unsupported'
[02:15] <mjt> will that gdesklets stuff work with something else but gnome?
[02:16] <Pizbit> Yup
[02:16] <padlefot> i still get the same errors thouggh
[02:16] <Pizbit> Something about a sensor being missing?
[02:16] <tonym32> I have problems installing ubuntu from the cd : "Read erreur" while installing the base system.
[02:16] <Pizbit> mjt: You'll just need a whole heap of gnome libs:)
[02:16] <tonym32> at the linux-386 package
[02:17] <linux_mafia> is there a difference between the "kernel-source-xxxx" and "linux-source-xxxx" packages?
[02:17] <padlefot> it says the file contains invalid data and could not be loaded..
[02:17] <padlefot> doesnt matter what one i try, all of them has the same error..
[02:17] <Pizbit> tonym32: Sounds like it oculd be a bad burn
[02:17] <padlefot> :S
[02:17] <mjt> kernel-source is debian package, lunux- is ubuntu
[02:18] <tonym32> Pizbit, it-s the second cd i burn !!!
[02:18] <Pizbit> tonym32: Corrupt download? Did you check the checksums?
[02:18] <padlefot> the display file contains 6 error lines..
[02:18] <padlefot> every single one of them..
[02:18] <tonym32> but when i try the "check the installation cd " in the menu it seams ok. after the installation failed. if I redo the md5sum. it does not work !!
[02:19] <Pizbit> tonym32: I meant of the downloaded image file
[02:19] <tonym32> yes i have check it
[02:19] <mjt> how's md5sum does not work? ;)
[02:19] <tonym32> it was ok !
[02:20] <mjt> everyone should deprecate/forbid usage of "it does not work" statement ;)
[02:20] <Pizbit> Heh
[02:20] <Pizbit> I'm off
[02:20] <tonym32> It does not work just after my installation has failed. Just after installing "base installtion". Then after if i redo a md5sum check it is false !
[02:20] <padlefot> lol
[02:21] <linux_mafia> mjt, are you sure? the only difference i can see (with the 2.6.9 source anyway) is that linux-source has a higher epoch, apart from that, properties in synaptic contains the same information
[02:21] <farruinn> linux_mafia: kernel- is in universe, linux- is in main
[02:21] <mjt> linux_mafia: there's no kernel-source-xxx in base ubuntu - maybe in universe but i'm not sure
[02:22] <mjt> either way, it's coming directly from debian
[02:22] <linux_mafia> ok, thanks guys
[02:22] <mjt> and linux-source- is another series of packages, produced for ubuntu and by ubuntu people
[02:23] <mjt> basically, the two are "interchangeable", sort of
[02:23] <mjt> tonym32: how did you check the checksum?
[02:24] <linux_mafia> mjt, i believe you, but linux-source-xxx has no mention of ubuntu specifically, nor a ubuntu tag in the epoch, but it dosent really matter, you and farruinn have answered my query well enough, thanks
[02:24] <mjt> tonym32: any, where it is failing?  If it's still in installer, you can switch to text console and type `dmesg' to see more detailed info
[02:25] <mjt> linux_mafia: huh?
[02:25] <mjt> $ apt-cache search linux-source
[02:25] <mjt> linux-patch-debian-<IP_ADDRESS> - Debian patches to Linux <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:25] <mjt> linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS> - Linux kernel source for version <IP_ADDRESS> with Debian patches
[02:25] <mjt> $ apt-cache show linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[02:25] <mjt> Package: linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[02:25] <mjt> Maintainer: Debian kernel team<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:25] <mjt> Bugs<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:25] <mjt> Origin: Ubuntu
[02:26] <tonym32> mjt, i have check the iso  with md5sum -c md5sums (from the ftp)
[02:27] <tonym32> and after in the installer. if at the beginning i check the cd the the dedicated menu item. I works: say , the cd id good.
[02:27] <mjt> linux_mafia: linux-image-xxx -- your kernel, incl. -di one, -- is built from linux-source
[02:27] <mjt> linux_mafia: in debian, it's kernel-image-..., built from kernel-source
[02:28] <tonym32> mjt, when my installer failed, if i recheck the cd, the check failed.
[02:29] <mjt> tonym32: again, how did you check it, exactly?
[02:29] <tonym32> i wonder if it is possible to install ubuntu from internet like the debian ?
[02:29] <tonym32> mjt, the iso file ?
[02:29] <linux_mafia> mjt, after using apt-cache i see both have origin ubuntu for 2.6.9, anyway it's not clear in synaptic, i should be using cli anyway, getting lazy, heh
[02:29] <mjt> it is possible to install debian and "upgrade" to ubuntu
[02:30] <mjt> i never saw synaptic anyway... ;)
[02:31] <mjt> tonym32: you said: "when my installer failed, if i recheck the cd, ..." -- so the question is, how did you check the *cd* ?
[02:31] <tonym32> my iso check was done like this : C:\>md5sum -c md5sums
[02:31] <tonym32> warty-release-install-i386.iso: OK
[02:32] <linux_mafia> tonym32, the wiki has several methods for cd'less install : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FirstSteps
[02:32] <Q-FUNK> corrupted memory chips, usually.
[02:32] <mjt> tonym32: that's ok, before the install.  How did you check the *cd* ?
[02:32] <tonym32> mjg59, ok, I re-check the cd with the installer -> menu item "check the installatin cd"
[02:32] <mjt> Q-FUNK: what did you mean?
[02:33] <mjt> heh. anyone knoe what that installer menu item does? ;)
[02:33] <Q-FUNK> bad memory chips affect kernel operation and therefore the accuracy of what gets written to disks.
[02:33] <mjt> i was referring to hardware only -- to stuff inside the drives, that is
[02:35] <mjt> after 2 years of operations, 400+ drives without single failure, they now started developing bad blocks. Nothing wrong with that, but interesting point is that they're doing it many disks (at different places) at once
[02:37] <intinig> mjt: ibm?
[02:37] <Gmail> here here meeting soon in #ubuntu-meeting
[02:40] <mjt> intinig: does not matter, really -- it's just sort of coincidence. i was joking, sort of.
[02:41] <linux_mafia> mjt, some times whatever if its a purely hardware problem, ie something has come loose inside drive, head is not flying right, etc, the bad blocks have ongoing deterioration as the drive is still used and the thing causing the damage is not rectified
[02:41] <gethin> does anyone know if its possible to use wireless networking in ubuntu?
[02:41] <wezzer> hi to all
[02:42] <mjt> real drives are supposed to deal with bad blocks nicely, and they do.  It's ok to have several dozens or even 100s of bad blocks in grown defect list.
[02:42] <liran> what is the stable release of ubuntu ?
[02:42] <liran> 4.10 or warty ?
[02:42] <mjt> liran: it's the same
[02:42] <crimsun> gethin: yes
[02:43] <Pacchio> bt878 tv tuner nobody have?
[02:43] <crimsun> gethin: for most wifi hardware, detection and configuration is seamless and transparent during the installation
[02:43] <mjt> Gmail: what meeting?
[02:43] <wezzer> is grekllm only way to see cpu's temp?
[02:43] <Gmail> mjg59: topic
[02:43] <Paradoxx> I kno this might b a dumb question...but what is so special about Ubunto?
[02:44] <intinig> Paradoxx, try it
[02:44] <gethin> crimsun: it doesnt seem to work when i run live version off cd, do i need to install it onto hdd?
[02:44] <linux_mafia> mjt, i guess it depends on the drives auto-sparing algorythm, and when the bad sectors are detected, on a read or write makes a difference
[02:44] <crimsun> Paradoxx: built by Debian developers for (but not restricted to) a GNOME-based audience
[02:44] <Paradoxx> SUSE ppl have there  oh to great Y@ST, Gentoo have there wonderful portage tree..
[02:44] <mjt> so, can anyone help tonym32 with his install "read error" problem?
[02:44] <crimsun> gethin: try the Warty installer
[02:44] <Paradoxx> but y should I downoad Ubunto
[02:45] <farruinn> APT!
[02:45] <Paradoxx> Ubuntu*
[02:45] <intinig> Paradoxx, ubuntu has the best desktop linux experience
[02:45] <crimsun> Paradoxx: moreover, it has renowned Debian stability and quality
[02:45] <intinig> Debian + Polished Gnome Desktop
[02:45] <mjt> what is so special about ubunto is a good question, really -- i too want to know the answer ;)
[02:45] <intinig> what else do you want
[02:45] <intinig> 1 CD only
[02:45] <linux_mafia> intinig, you hit the nail on the head
[02:45] <crimsun> Paradoxx: and thankfully not the "ice age" ("outdatedness") of Debian stable releases
[02:46] <Paradoxx> i have SUSE installed atm, not as great as I have heard, well haven't gotten into the nitty gritty yet...
[02:46] <crimsun> Paradoxx: and, lest we forget, a thriving, friendly community
[02:46] <Paradoxx> but i'm pretty much ready to go back to Gentoo...
[02:46] <mjt> btw, is there anyone out there with a good expirience dealing with scsi disks?
[02:46] <linux_mafia> also the fact that many of the devs are gnome and debian developers aswell, means that people that really know their shit are working on it
[02:46] <Paradoxx> RH/Fedora was bloated to me, pretty much same for mandrake...
[02:47] <Paradoxx> haven't tried slackware
[02:47] <Morphalus> slackwra rox !
[02:47] <thomasvs> Paradoxx: try dos, it's not very bloated
[02:47] <Paradoxx> heard some intresting things...
[02:47] <Morphalus> slackware*
[02:47] <mjt> suxx, rocks, ...  That's.. kiddish, isn't it?
[02:47] <crimsun> mjt: by the time your OS is spitting out reports of bad sectors, the hardware itself is already pretty far gone, since long before that the drive was transparently remapping sectors
[02:48] <intinig> I come from Mac OS X (it's still my primary OS). Ubuntu is the only distro I can use
[02:48] <Paradoxx> but i saw a college of mine useing Ubunto and the curosity switch in my head ON, so im just here to see what it has to offer
[02:48] <Paradoxx> so I wanted to see what ppl who used it thought...
[02:48] <crimsun> (if that was to be directed toward someone else, please forward; I apologise for the misdirected addressing)
[02:48] <tonym32> mjg59, i  m checkinh the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FirstSteps site
[02:48] <mjt> my monitoring reporting remapping of blocks, and if a badblock is detected during read, it gets rewritten by monitoring daemon too
[02:49] <Paradoxx> will I get the onhand Linux experience without the bad M$ taste i get from RH...
[02:49] <linux_mafia> mjt, he could have said suxxors and roxxors, it wasn't as bad as it could have been, hehe
[02:49] <Paradoxx> that you pretty much get from Gentoo...
[02:49] <crimsun> Paradoxx: certainly. It's Debian underneath - just a very polished Debian on top.
[02:49] <tonym32> mjt,  i  m checkinh the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FirstSteps site
[02:49] <farruinn> Paradoxx: it's possible that the bloat, and M$ taste that you're talking about are simply the effects of gnome and/or kde
[02:49] <Paradoxx> i'm still new to linux and trying to find my distro...so don't mind my statements if they seem a bit uninformed..
[02:50] <crimsun> no harm in asking questions
[02:50] <Paradoxx> nah, I had KDE installed on my Gentoo machine but i didn't get that feel..
[02:50] <Paradoxx> RH just seemed way to sluggish for me, that is on a P3 500MHz
[02:50] <farruinn> ok, because KDE feels *very* windowsish to me
[02:51] <mjt> crimsun: i detest that silent thing, almost nothing is silent on my systems, -- at least up to the level i was able to turn silense into noise.  And i'm referring to overwise *silent* remapping when i said about several drives etc.  The hardware is good
[02:51] <Paradoxx> thats my linux test bed machine..
[02:51] <Paradoxx> what do you use?
[02:51] <Paradoxx> Fluxbox?
[02:51] <farruinn> when I'm not in gnome I'm in flux
[02:52] <Paradoxx> another newb question, y gnome vs kde vs flux?
[02:52] <Paradoxx> i kno better is not really a question to ask...
[02:52] <AndreiV> enlightement
[02:52] <AndreiV> :))
[02:52] <Paradoxx> but what made you choose one vs the other
[02:52] <mjg59> Paradoxx: The easiest answer is that it has a dependable release cycle
[02:52] <Paradoxx> care to elaborate?
[02:52] <mjg59> Gnome releases every 6 months
[02:52] <Paradoxx> you taking Gnome?
[02:52] <mjg59> Yes
[02:52] <Paradoxx> oh, ok..
[02:53] <mjg59> Ubuntu also releases every 6 months
[02:53] <farruinn> well, stable release of the entire ubuntu system every six months
[02:53] <Paradoxx> but then I could call Gentoo's name...
[02:53] <mjg59> Mm?
[02:53] <Paradoxx> in terms of updates
[02:54] <farruinn> _stable_ updates?
[02:54] <Paradoxx> well, thats for you to decide
[02:54] <Paradoxx> but portage tree is great
[02:55] <Paradoxx> as an update/fix is out...
[02:55] <mmc_> conoceis algun reproductor de video bueno para ubuntu
[02:55] <mjt> who does the kernel work in ubuntu?
[02:55] <crimsun> mjt: a variety of people
[02:55] <farruinn> apt gives you stable release without having to download/compile everything continuously
[02:56] <mjg59> mjt: At the moment, fabbione
[02:56] <farruinn> just one major download every 6 months if you so choose
[02:56] <crimsun> mjt: mdz, fabbione, herbert xu, etc.
[02:56] <Paradoxx> emerge > Y@sT > apt get
[02:56] <mjg59> Though I tend to do most of the PM stuff
[02:56] <wezzer> hey, is grekllm only way to see cpu's temp?
[02:56] <mmc_> video player for ubuntu?
[02:56] <crimsun> wezzer: gkrellm uses lm-sensors
[02:56] <mjt> heh, Herbert "moved" to ubuntu, eh? ;)
[02:56] <Pacchio> someone use tv tuner under ubuntu???????'
[02:56] <mjt> mmc_: any for linux? mplayer? xine? ...?
[02:57] <wezzer> crimsun: okay, thanks
[02:57] <mjg59> mjt: Herbert hasn't done much for a couple of months
[02:57] <mdz> mjg59: he's only maintaining Warty
[02:57] <mmc_> how to install it a dont have the option of downloading a pakage
[02:58] <stvn> mmc_: see if it is available in any other repository or download the source and compile
[02:59] <Rene_S> mmc_, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[02:59] <mmc_> a web for downloading the source
[02:59] <mjt> mmc_: xine is in debian - turn on universe part of ubuntu to /etc/apt/sources.lst; mplayer is available separately due to licensing probs, marillat debian repository will do the trick
[02:59] <stvn> mmc_: which package are you looking for?
[02:59] <Rene_S> mmc_, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing  main
[02:59] <Rene_S> add those 2 to your sources .list file
[02:59] <mmc_> a video player in ubuntu is only abailable de xmms
[02:59] <mjt> why unstable, btw?
[02:59] <stvn> mmc_: it's not advisable to download a single .deb and install it, unless you know what you are doing, sicne a single deb can have dependencies which it cannot solve on its own
[03:00] <Rene_S> then run update and you will see mplayer
[03:00] <stvn> mmc_: there's totem
[03:00] <mjt> mmc_: there are others (ogle etc), but xine is a very good player
[03:01] <padlefot> vlc ownz
[03:01] <mjt> (xine does not work on my hardware btw, because it's slow - while mplayer works good)
[03:02] <Paradoxx> HMMM
[03:02] <Paradoxx> hmmmm*
[03:02] <mmc_> tanks to everyone today is my first linux day
[03:02] <Paradoxx> i think i'll give it a try
[03:02] <Paradoxx> 1 CD you say...
[03:02] <padlefot> does anybody know how i can make f.ex the "Weather applet" in the panels transparent?
[03:02] <padlefot> and the clock?=
[03:02] <padlefot> i did it once, now it just doesnt wanna..
[03:02] <Paradoxx> ty for input :D
[03:02] <johann_> hello all
[03:04] <padlefot> please? anybody?
[03:05] <mmc_> using the synaptic there is no opcion of mplayer
[03:05] <padlefot> apt-get should have one
[03:05] <Rene_S> News Flash  Only 13 more days left till Chritmas
[03:05] <padlefot> apt-get install mplayer
[03:05] <mmc_> in the terminal apt-get mplayer ?
[03:05] <padlefot> yep
[03:06] <mmc_> root terminal or terminal
[03:06] <mjt> apt-get *install* mplayer
[03:06] <Rene_S> root
[03:06] <Rene_S> works better
[03:06] <padlefot> sudo apt-get insall mplayer-1386
[03:06] <padlefot> or something
[03:06] <Rene_S> well really not much difference in either terminal
[03:06] <padlefot> no!
[03:07] <padlefot> mmc_: sudo apt-get install mplayer-custom
[03:07] <padlefot> thats the one
[03:07] <mjt> . o O { "someone said that root terminal works better.." }
[03:07] <Rene_S> hehe
[03:07] <mmc_> unable to lock the administration directory?
[03:08] <Rene_S> Yeah, I said that.  I am only half awake.
[03:08] <mmc_> what menas sudo
[03:08] <padlefot> superuser do
[03:08] <mjt> mmc_: have you tried to install anything at all yet?
[03:09] <padlefot> it should prompt password:
[03:09] <mjt> Rene_S: i was only partially joking.  I heard exactly that statement from a friend of mime a while back, when i asked him why he's running everything as root.
[03:10] <Rene_S> mmc_, Go here Its a pretty good guide and explains a fair bit   http://ubuntuguide.org/
[03:11] <Rene_S> Hehe, I have no idea on earth why I just said that, the only thing it saves me from is typing in sudo
[03:13] <Rene_S> Guess it was a morning brain fart.
[03:15] <wezzer> good evening everybody, how to change modules loading order? I mean, I have 2 soundcards, and kernel loads the AC97-modules before Soundblasters module and I wan't it vice versa
[03:18] <z00l> hello. :)
[03:18] <mjt> wezzer: i think it's mostly irrelevant (you can configure software to use a card with particular hw name); but you can put the module names into /etc/modules in whatever order you want
[03:19] <wezzer> mjt: hmm, good point
[03:19] <wezzer> I have to think about it
[03:19] <padlefot> how do i mount an NTFS disk into my system?=
[03:19] <Tsjoklat> padlefot through fstab
[03:20] <padlefot> says me very little
[03:20] <padlefot> :S
[03:20] <mjt> mount -t ntfs /dev/whatever /mnt/whatever ?
[03:20] <wezzer> padlefot: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda# /mnt/windows
[03:20] <wezzer> you have create /mnt/windows firts
[03:20] <wezzer> *first
[03:20] <z00l> have checked faq and google but am having a slight problem running a vanilla 2.6.9 kernel with ubuntu 4.10.  configured kernel with rootfs fs support in kernel built kernel then copied kernel to /boot.  added grub entry and on boot i get : "Kernel panic - no syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0"
[03:20] <z00l> oops. long line :)
[03:20] <z00l> any ideas guys?
[03:21] <Rene_S> Climb onto your box. look for the hd with the NTFS and then lay down on it. there now you have mounted a NTFS drive
[03:21] <padlefot> wezzer: liek mkdir /mnt/windows ?
[03:21] <z00l> oh. menu.1st looks like:
[03:21] <z00l> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.9-vanilla
[03:21] <z00l> root            (hd0,2)
[03:21] <z00l> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9 root=/dev/hda3 ro quiet splash
[03:21] <z00l> savedefault
[03:21] <z00l> boot
[03:21] <z00l> root@ubuntu:/boot # rdev vmlinuz-2.6.9
[03:21] <z00l> Root device /dev/hda3
[03:21] <wezzer> padlefot: yes
[03:22] <wezzer> be sure to create that as a root
[03:22] <wezzer> like sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[03:22] <Tsjoklat> ^
[03:22] <Tsjoklat> |
[03:22] <Tsjoklat> |
[03:22] <Tsjoklat> |
[03:22] <Rene_S> topic ?
[03:22] <Rene_S> what topic ?
[03:22] <Tsjoklat> yes that freaky thing up there
[03:22] <z00l> yes. done that :)
[03:22] <wezzer> remember, that ntfs-writing support is unsafe. Do NOT write to ntfs partition, just read from it
[03:22] <Rene_S> I dont need no stinkin topic
[03:23] <Tsjoklat> now now now Rene_S that is so not needed
[03:23] <Treenaks> Rene_S: off-topic!
[03:23] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks :P
[03:23] <Rene_S> Treenaks, thanks BOB
[03:23] <Gmail> OMG i was staying up for the meeting and guess what
[03:24] <Gmail> Treenaks noted to me it is on tuesday
[03:24] <Treenaks> Rene_S: hm.. I don't think bob2 will like that ;)
[03:24] <Rene_S> Common Gmail you can do it, ride it out stay awake
[03:24] <Tsjoklat> tuesday, march 10th 2009
[03:24] <wezzer> anyone who needs gmail-invite?
[03:25] <padlefot> wezzer: thanx, but how can i make my user use the partiton?
[03:25] <Tsjoklat> wezzer no I don't need you to invite Gmail
[03:25] <Tsjoklat> he's here
[03:25] <Tsjoklat> always
[03:25] <Rene_S> Wow 2009, only 4 years to go
[03:25] <padlefot> it says i dont have permission
[03:25] <Gmail> lol
[03:25] <wezzer> :^)
[03:26] <Rene_S> thats a lot of Red Bulls in your future if your planning on staying up
[03:26] <wezzer> padlefot: umm, I've always used root to use the windows-partition
[03:26] <wezzer> padlefot: check ubuntuguide.org
[03:26] <padlefot> okaj
[03:26] <Gmail> rotfl
[03:26] <Tsjoklat> ti ta topic
[03:27] <joolz> does anyone actually /use/ their gmail account? :)
[03:27] <wezzer> I do
[03:27] <Rene_S> Here is a topic Rene_S is gonna be the first man on earth to pop a kid
[03:27] <Tsjoklat> I am thinking of changing it joolz
[03:27] <wezzer> it's quite handy
[03:27] <Treenaks> joolz: only 1000MB? :P
[03:27] <Treenaks> /dev/md0              284G  5,8G  277G   3% /
[03:27] <padlefot> i also use it
[03:27] <joolz> i got one out of curiosity, but i never udes it
[03:27] <Gmail> joolz: yes i do
[03:27] <joolz> Treenaks: i gave up running gmail local ;-P
[03:28] <gangalino> looking at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingProcedures is this the full correct synatx for booting: /vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 root=/dev/hda5 ro quiet splash noapic ?
[03:28] <Tsjoklat> I think you should change your nick Gmail
[03:28] <joolz> Tsjoklat: lemme guess: "hotmail"? :)
[03:28] <Tsjoklat> joolz gotcha :)
[03:29] <joolz> damn: 15:28:49 [freenode]  -!- hotmail Erroneous Nickname
[03:29] <joolz> too bad :)
[03:29] <Tsjoklat> yahoo?
[03:29] <yahoo> yeah!
[03:29] <yahoo> thanks Tsjoklat
[03:29] <Tsjoklat> LOL
[03:29] <yahoo> Gmail: wanna buy? :)
[03:29] <Tsjoklat> most welcome
[03:30] <ubuntu> now that's one i could get hard cash for!
[03:31] <Tsjoklat> I think Gmail pasted out
[03:31] <Tsjoklat> it's so... tranquil all of the sudden
[03:32] <Rene_S> is it just me or is everyone hearing voices in there head today ?
[03:32] <ubuntu> Rene_S: not me, i had my depot injection yesterday :)
[03:32] <crimsun> there are no voices outside my head
[03:32] <Tsjoklat> I just have an itch I can't shake
[03:32] <stvn> lol
[03:33] <Rene_S> Too late for me, I dont think thats gonna help me at this stage of my term
[03:33] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S thinks he is preggers
[03:33] <Rene_S> Man Tsjoklat thats way too much info for me.  Take that up with your OBGYN
[03:33] <crimsun> EPT
[03:33] <Gmail> LOL
[03:34] <Ubuntu-Linux> i own this one
[03:34] <wezzer> anyone who has experience with cinelerra?
[03:34] <ubuntu> Ubuntu-Linux: hey bro!
[03:34] <gangalino> what is recovery mode good for? fixing/changing hardware?
[03:34] <Tsjoklat> wezzer sounds like an STD
[03:34] <Ubuntu-Linux> ubuntu: you don't own that nick
[03:34] <wezzer> I can't get my movies into right format, so cinelerra could use them
[03:34] <ubuntu> no, i just nicked it
[03:35] <joolz> ah, that's better
[03:35] <Tsjoklat> joolz :P
[03:35] <joolz> Tsjoklat: you didn't notice it was me?
[03:36] <Tsjoklat> nah was too busy scratching my itch
[03:36] <Rene_S> wash your hands after
[03:36] <Tsjoklat> I was going to wipe it off on you
[03:36] <Rene_S> the internet has enough viruses.
[03:37] <Tsjoklat> so you can have another
[03:37] <Tsjoklat> wouldn't know the dif
[03:37] <Rene_S> On me > ha, i am already preggers you can make me
[03:37] <Rene_S> cant
[03:37] <Rene_S> stand in line, I think the freakin Aliens did something to me
[03:38] <Rene_S> Linux:  Its not just for sane people, anymore.
[03:40] <Tsjoklat> Gmail please change your nick
[03:45] <ricardo> hello
[03:46] <ricardo> Anyone?
[03:46] <crimsun> hi
[03:46] <Granted> oui
[03:46] <ricardo> I thought I was all alone
[03:46] <ricardo> :-)
[03:46] <Rene_S> Hello ricardo and Welcome to Fantasy Island
[03:46] <ricardo> All riiight!!!! :-)
[03:46] <Gmail> ricardo: you are all only with another 296 people
[03:47] <ricardo> Hey does anyone know how to get sound in avi files in totem?
[03:47] <ricardo> Mine is crackling and I can't hear a thing
[03:47] <Rene_S> I find my pron to be too loud so I am glad it doesnt work
[03:48] <crimsun> assuming you have the correct codecs installed, ricardo?
[03:48] <Pacchio> ubuntu vs fedora
[03:48] <Pacchio> what's the best?
[03:48] <Pacchio> :P
[03:48] <Gmail> ubuntu
[03:48] <Rene_S> the sounds you are missing rcardo are Ohhhhh, ewwww, ahhhhhh
[03:48] <ricardo> Yep. I did them with Mplayer and that one works perfectly. I was just wondering why that happens.
[03:48] <Pacchio> why?
[03:48] <Pacchio> repository are old?
[03:48] <Pacchio> or not?
[03:49] <crimsun> ricardo: are you using totem-xine?
[03:49] <ricardo> Well I compiled it from source. And yes I'm using xine.
[03:49] <crimsun> hmm, self-compiled. Dunno.
[03:49] <crimsun> lotta variables in play then
[03:50] <crimsun> what sort of "crackling?"
[03:50] <ricardo> I just hear fragments of the actual audio but that's it. Too brief (less than 1 sec).
[03:50] <Rene_S> kinda like the sound a fire makes when its burning your PC along with your house kinda crackling
[03:51] <Tsjoklat> I just hear voices
[03:51] <Rene_S> or is the sound like breaking bones when you get hit by a truck kinda crackling ?
[03:52] <ricardo> Has any of these things ever happened to you guys????
[03:52] <Tsjoklat> maybe it is constipation Rene_S
[03:52] <Rene_S> The house fire and the truck hitting me has
[03:52] <Granted> not to me
[03:53] <ricardo> You should practice safer sports then... :-)
[03:53] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S sporting??? hahah muuuhahaha
[03:53] <Rene_S> Its all fun and games till someone looses an eye, then its a sport
[03:53] <ricardo> well... abou the sound?
[03:53] <ricardo> any light?
[03:53] <Tsjoklat> if lifting a budweiser is sport.. yeah okay
[03:54] <Rene_S> ricardo, unfortunaltly I havent had that problem, have you tried the totem-xine package ?
[03:54] <Rene_S> or are ya using the gstreamer version ?
[03:55] <Granted> which one is best anyway?
[03:55] <ricardo> that's what I did and works with every kind of file, except avi and wmv. The sound is like that,
[03:55] <Rene_S> does it run in plain xine-ui ?
[03:55] <ricardo> totem xine
[03:56] <Rene_S> try installing xine-ui and play ur avi file in that
[03:56] <ricardo> I'll try that right now. Thanks!
[03:56] <Rene_S> also make sure ya gotz the ol win32 codec pack
[03:56] <ricardo> See ya later to tell you guys if it worked.
[03:56] <Rene_S> just in case
[03:57] <ricardo> okay. Thanks!
[03:57] <darren> Where can i get the win-32 codecs for xine?
[03:58] <Granted> which is best totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[04:00] <Rene_S> mmc_, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:00] <Rene_S> darren,  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:00] <cardador> Granted: xine
[04:01] <Granted> got xine it does work allright!
[04:01] <Granted> thanks cardador
[04:01] <Rene_S> I just use Kaffeine
[04:01] <mjt> -ETOOMUCHCAFFEINE
[04:02] <wood1> Hi to all
[04:02] <crimsun> 'lo
[04:02] <Tsjoklat> hey Gmail2
[04:02] <Tsjoklat> I mean wood1
[04:02] <mjt> heh
[04:02] <crimsun> Tsjoklat: =P
[04:03] <wood1> Well how are all of you today
[04:03] <Tsjoklat> crimsun :P
[04:03] <wood1> Some at Office, some at Home
[04:03] <Tsjoklat> we were good
[04:03] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S is pregnant
[04:03] <wood1> Oh really
[04:03] <Tsjoklat> yes
[04:03] <Granted> is it a boy?
[04:03] <wood1> Well congratulations to Rene_S
[04:04] <Tsjoklat> it is all highly upsetting
[04:04] <Tsjoklat> he can't remember what happened
[04:04] <wood1> Tsjoklat, how do you know all these things ??
[04:04] <Tsjoklat> I see things
[04:04] <Tsjoklat> I also hear things
[04:04] <Tsjoklat> it is all very mysterious
[04:04] <Tsjoklat> or just bonkers
[04:04] <wood1> So you have some kind of a six sense
[04:04] <Rene_S> anyone have a pickle
[04:05] <Tsjoklat> I would call it the 11th toe
[04:05] <Granted> do yu smell aswell?
[04:05] <echo> w00 w00, just installed :)
[04:05] <Tsjoklat> can't say I do Granted
[04:06] <wood1> Tsjoklat, which are of computing do you specialize in ?
[04:06] <Rene_S> Well its alright if I am preggers, But If I get a yeast infection i am gonna go live in a cave in the mountains
[04:06] <wood1> Cold Mountain
[04:06] <wood1> !!!!!
[04:06] <Tsjoklat> hamana wood1?
[04:06] <wood1> I'm sorry, I don't get it
[04:07] <Granted> good luck all!
[04:07] <Tsjoklat> me neither wood1
[04:07] <Tsjoklat> tara Granted
[04:08] <binne101> kennie???
[04:08] <wood1> Tsjoklat, Have you ever customize the Ubuntu distro ?
[04:09] <Tsjoklat> wood1 I don't do anything but
[04:09] <echo> is there a gui tool in ubuntu to configure X? I want to up the resolution
[04:09] <wood1> Do you know any good sites to download movies ?
[04:10] <wood1> echo, if you don't get that resolution from Computer>System Configuration, then you are out of luck
[04:10] <GotD0t> wood1: yea, its called movielink
[04:10] <iz> echo, under sytemconfig
[04:10] <Tsjoklat> yeah Blockbuster
[04:10] <echo> 1024x768 is the highest it shows
[04:11] <wood1> Well that's the highest you can get
[04:11] <wood1> How big is your monitor ?
[04:11] <Tsjoklat> oh my Lord.. iz talked in #ubuntu
[04:11] <echo> 17"
[04:11] <Treenaks> echo: try putting a "#" in front of the "HorizSync" and "VertRefresh" lines in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[04:11] <wood1> Well see the /etc/X/XF86Config-4
[04:11] <wood1> file
[04:11] <echo> Treenaks, yeah, I can edit the XF86Config-4 myself and add resolutions, I just thought this might have a slick GUI
[04:12] <GotD0t> echo: or adding some new resolutions in that file, if your monitor supports it then you should be able to change to it
[04:12] <iz> Tsjoklat, :)
[04:12] <wood1> Treenaks, do you know any sites to download hollywood movies
[04:12] <Treenaks> echo: no remove the 2 lines and try again -- it might detect the monitor instead of sticking to the -- too low -- values specified
[04:12] <Tsjoklat> iz :)
[04:12] <echo> Treenaks, Ah.
[04:12] <Treenaks> wood1: yes, www.mpaa.org
[04:12] <binne101> ubuntu hangs on booting it stops on Enterprise Volume Management System
[04:12] <GotD0t> wood1: go to movielink.com
[04:13] <echo> brb
[04:13] <GotD0t> wood1: they should have eveyrthing you want there
[04:13] <binne101> does anyone have an idea
[04:13] <wood1> thanks man
[04:13] <TitanFox> yerf
[04:13] <wood1> Can you get to the command prompt ?
[04:13] <binne101> no
[04:13] <TitanFox> I have a question about GRUB
[04:14] <wood1> binne101 have you tried the recovery mode ?
[04:14] <binne101> yes
[04:14] <binne101> keeps going, no sensible output
[04:15] <binne101> error 00x23 etc
[04:15] <wood1> How many times do you have to reboot to get connected to the X Windows ?
[04:15] <TitanFox> I installed Ubuntu on my SCSI harddrive. The installationroutine partitioned the harddrive itself. It installed the basic install, after that the additional packages, but after its done and I want to boot from my harddisk, I get the error "GRUB 1.5" "Error 22"
[04:15] <TitanFox> it wont boot into Ubuntu
[04:15] <iz> TitanFox, what sort of question
[04:15] <iz> arf
[04:15] <kenneth_> Enterprise Volume Management System probably has something to do with LVM right? can\t you turn that off at book?
[04:16] <wood1> Well guys, I wanted free movie links
[04:16] <wood1> http://www.mpaa.org
[04:16] <wood1> does not work
[04:16] <Rene_S> hehe
[04:16] <WsQ> Could anyone help me with IntelliExplorer Bluetooth? I actually seem to be able to connect, but the mouse won't do anything.
[04:16] <Rene_S> imagine that
[04:16] <wood1> movelink.com is only for US residents
[04:16] <TitanFox> So, Ubuntu is installed, the GRUB boot manager is installed, but it wont boot from HDD. It just gives Error 22 and hangs
[04:17] <echo> you guys should really enable the truetype autohinter.
[04:17] <echo> dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[04:17] <echo> makes fonts look tons better
[04:18] <wood1> By the way, how easy is it to create a database in MySQL and use a web browser to store records in that database ??
[04:19] <wood1> Ever since switching to Ubuntu, I never missed anything but MS-Access
[04:20] <WsQ> Nobody can help me? damn... :(
[04:20] <wood1> Well thank good that I can connect to a XP Machine using Terminal Server Client
[04:20] <Rene_S> alright I am going back to bed
[04:20] <wood1> Help you with what ?
[04:20] <WsQ> bluetooth
[04:20] <wood1> OK good night and take care of your baby
 Could anyone help me with IntelliExplorer Bluetooth? I actually seem to be able to connect, but the mouse won't do anything.
[04:20] <wood1> What's wrong with bluetooth ?
[04:20] <Rene_S> thanks
[04:21] <WsQ> I can't get my mouse working...
[04:21] <wood1> Are you using Windows now
[04:22] <TitanFox> geeze...even installing Windows wasnt that annoying...*sigh*
[04:22] <TitanFox> at the moment I am using a livecd of Knoppix to be able to do anything at all
[04:22] <TitanFox> but my harddrives are empty
[04:22] <TitanFox> I have 2 SCSI drives (u160) and a IDE ATA harddrive
[04:22] <TitanFox> maybe I should disconnect the IDE drive for a moment
[04:23] <TitanFox> the bios sees that one as HD0
[04:23] <WsQ> wood1: no, I'm on linux
[04:23] <TitanFox> maybe thats why GRUB has a conflict, but I am not sure
[04:23] <TitanFox> I am going to try that
[04:23] <wood1> Are you using all the commands from the Keyboard now !!!
[04:23] <WsQ> no, I have a laptop which has a touchpad
[04:24] <WsQ> wchich sucks
[04:25] <WsQ> I've used this to help me: http://people.debian.org/~crafterm/inspiron8500.html
[04:26] <echo> heh, the ubuntu printer test page really eats up an ink cartridge.
[04:26] <echo> but it's pretty
[04:26] <WsQ> I can do everything that the site says without any errors, but the mouse still doesn't work... :(
[04:26] <MobyTurbo> I'm using Ubuntu Warty. The theme manager seems to have a problem, when I select other themes the colors and gtk themes change but the metacity window decorations stay the same.
[04:28] <darren> Is there a package I can download to install xine?
[04:29] <MobyTurbo> darren, apt-get install xine-ui
[04:29] <MobyTurbo> darren, in universal
[04:29] <darren> universal?
[04:30] <MobyTurbo> darren, the "universal" Debian unstable snapshot repository, it's commented out by default.
[04:31] <echo> universe, not universal
[04:31] <MobyTurbo> oops. :-/
[04:31] <echo> open synaptic.
[04:31] <darren> How do I do it  using synaptic?
[04:31] <echo> go to Settings, Repositories
[04:31] <echo> and check the grayed out repositories.
[04:32] <echo> you really only need the one of type "deb"
[04:32] <echo> not the "deb-src"
[04:32] <echo> unless you are going to be compiling things ;)
[04:33] <MobyTurbo> does anyone have any idea about my theme problems?
[04:33] <echo> darren: make sure you do a "reload" in synaptic after you change them
[04:33] <xukun> anybody know the reason for the dependencies problem when installing xfce4 desktop? I,m using Warty
[04:33] <echo> MobyTurbo, no unless you aren't using metacity.. you didn't switch to sawfish or anything did you?
[04:34] <MobyTurbo> echo, no, I'm using the default; metacity.
[04:34] <farruinn> xukun, no idea, it worked fine for me.  Which packages are causing problems
[04:34] <echo> MobyTurbo, have you tried logging out and back in?
[04:34] <xukun> farruinn, sec
[04:34] <MobyTurbo> echo, I was just thinking I'd do that. brb.
[04:35] <echo> I've seen metacity get confused about themes.
[04:35] <xukun> farruinn, The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:35] <xukun>   xfce4: Depends: xfce4-session (>= 4.1.99) but it is not going to be installed
[04:35] <xukun>          Depends: xfce4-utils (>= 4.1.99) but it is not going to be installed
[04:35] <xukun>          Depends: xfdesktop4 (>= 4.3.5) but it is not going to be installed
[04:35] <echo> I'm upgrading to hoary! w00.
[04:35] <magnon> uhoh :)
[04:36] <echo> I've got sid on another partition, I'm just playing :)
[04:36] <farruinn> xukun, are you using any non Ubuntu or non warty repos in your sources.list?
[04:37] <farruinn> because the xfdesktop4 in warty is 4.0.5-3
[04:37] <xukun> farruinn, yes
[04:37] <farruinn> ok, what is the name of the repository, debian unstable?
[04:37] <darren> Where can I dl the xine win32 codec package?
[04:37] <echo> heh, my clock was off because I had to setup pppoe after I booted... so I ran /etc/init.d/ntpdate again, and when It changed the clock, xscreensaver kicked in.
[04:38] <MobyTurbo> yeah, logging out and back in worked. Yuck, almost as bad as rebooting windows. ;-)
[04:38] <echo> MobyTurbo, I've seen metacity get confused about themes after an upgrade
[04:38] <xukun> farruinn, http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=37
[04:38] <MobyTurbo> echo, I'm running warty though so I haven't had much in the way of upgrades.
[04:39] <echo> MobyTurbo, you probably could have done "killall metacity" and it would have restarted itself
[04:39] <MobyTurbo> echo, hmm. Maybe I'll try that if I have the problem again.
[04:40] <farruinn> xukun, how are you running apt-get?  apt-get install -t binary xfce4?
[04:40] <echo> Just tested it, it works.. metacity dies and comes right back
[04:40] <xukun> farruinn, yes
[04:40] <Solatis> hmmmm, aren't there any kde-related packages available on ubuntu? :)
[04:41] <xukun> farruinn, apt-get install -t binary xfce4
[04:41] <farruinn> try apt-get install -t binary xfce4 xfce4-session xfce4-utils xfdesktop4 ?
[04:41] <MobyTurbo> echo, it takes a licking but keeps on ticking. ;-)
[04:41] <Solatis> i'm used to editing with Kate, which depends on kde :)
[04:41] <crimsun> Solatis: in 'universe', yes
[04:41] <echo> MobyTurbo, well, gnome-session makes sure it starts back up ;)
[04:41] <echo> gotta have k3b from universe too ;)
[04:41] <xukun> farruinn, The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:41] <xukun>   xfce4-utils: Depends: libgtkhtml2-0 (>= 2.6.2) but 2.4.1-1 is to be installed
[04:42] <farruinn> xukun, do you *really* need the latest xfce?
[04:42] <darren> Where can I dl the xine win32 codec package?
[04:43] <farruinn> xukun, because you can keep adding the things that are causing dependencies to your command, but I doubt that repo has libgtkhtml
[04:43] <xukun> farruinn, not realy but that would be nice tho
[04:43] <crimsun> xukun: are you using hoary?
[04:43] <xukun> crimsun, warty
[04:43] <crimsun> ah.
[04:44] <MobyTurbo> darren, add the multiverse and marillat repositories. Details are available on ubuntuguide mentioned in the /topic
[04:44] <crimsun> 2.6.2 is in both sid and hoary
[04:44] <xukun> crimsun, I have seen this but I dont get it well: http://www.os-cillation.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=deb-help;action=display;num=1098413341
[04:45] <echo> MobyTurbo, I've been thinking of adding to that guide, there should be a "how do I do this in the GUI" version of that guide.
[04:45] <xukun> crimsun, that was you yes?
[04:45] <crimsun> xukun: one and only.
[04:46] <xukun> crimsun, is there a working work around in there without upgrading to hoary? mybe I missed it then
[04:46] <MobyTurbo> echo, I agree. For lots of people, thanks to the shipit program, Ubuntu is their first distribuition. They prefer the GUI way of doing things.
[04:47] <crimsun> xukun: what is the install hitching on besides libgtkhtml?
[04:47] <farruinn> xukun, check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PinningHowto
[04:47] <echo> like, you can add the universe and marillat repositories using synaptic.
[04:47] <MobyTurbo> echo, marillat needs multiverse too.
[04:48] <echo> MobyTurbo, ah
[04:49] <xukun> farruinn, that is not bad
[04:49] <echo> someone should write a sources advertising format.
[04:49] <farruinn> just subsitute the repos on that link you gave me for the hoary lines on the wiki
[04:49] <echo> like, maybe an rss feed full of sources.list entries.
[04:49] <MobyTurbo> echo, multiverse has the same syntax as universe (except the name part)
[04:50] <echo> and then synaptic could connect to that and give you choices to add to your sources.list file.
[04:50] <echo> that would be slick.
[04:50] <MobyTurbo> echo, there aren't that many third party repositories appropriate for ubuntu.
[04:50] <crimsun> echo: that's (apt-get.org ish) more suitable for Debian proper
[04:50] <MobyTurbo> echo, it isn't like Debian stable which needs a billion backport repositories if you want to use it on the desktop.
[04:50] <echo> MobyTurbo, no, but this could benefit debian proper as well
[04:51] <echo> crimsun, yes, and if there was an rss feed, the apt-get.org could have one
[04:51] <echo> and synaptic would know what to do with it
[04:51] <farruinn> xukun, I'm not sure it's really going to do things exactly the way you want because I don't know if libgtkhtml is included on that repository
[04:51] <MobyTurbo> echo, that sounds kind of scary to me. several of the apt-get.org repositories conflict with each other in undocumented ways.
[04:51] <echo> MobyTurbo, but it would make it easier for newbies to add universe and multiverse.
[04:51] <crimsun> farruinn: only in sid and hoary currently
[04:52] <farruinn> crimsun: hm?
[04:52] <crimsun> universe and multiverse are in synaptic
[04:52] <echo> multiverse isn't.
[04:52] <crimsun> farruinn: RE: libgtkhtml-2.0 2.6.2
[04:52] <echo> and it isn't obvious how you select them
[04:52] <njs12345> if I install KDE will it break my ubuntu?
[04:52] <Solatis> hmmmm, is there any official ubuntu artwork section other than on the forums ?
[04:52] <crimsun> njs12345: not at all.
[04:52] <Solatis> i'm looking for this wallpaper:
[04:52] <Solatis> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/ubuntu.png
[04:52] <MobyTurbo> echo, I think hoary should include multiverse commented out like universe.
[04:53] <crimsun> Solatis: humancircle
[04:53] <MobyTurbo> echo, it is semi-official after all
[04:53] <farruinn> crimsun: this is a third-paty repository, I have no clue what's on it besides xfce
[04:53] <Solatis> crimsun: is that the name of the wallpaper ?
[04:53] <njs12345> crimsun: it's just that if I install it through synaptic is says it'll remove libfam0c102
[04:53] <crimsun> njs12345: are you running warty or hoary?
[04:53] <echo> MobyTurbo, it's not obvious from the synaptic repository editting screen which one you should check.
[04:53] <njs12345> hoary
[04:53] <pepsi_> like a bad date... warty, hoary, and grumpy
[04:53] <crimsun> njs12345: that's fine. gam_server and libgam* replace fam and libfam*
[04:54] <njs12345> lol
[04:54] <njs12345> ok thanks a lot :)
[04:54] <MobyTurbo> echo, then synaptic needs to be redesigned some, it's synaptic's fault, not the repository file's.
[04:54] <echo> MobyTurbo, mainly because when it first comes up, the window isn't wide enough
[04:54] <xukun> farruinn, hmm
[04:55] <echo> plus, the end user doesn't necessarily need to see the URLs and stuff.
[04:55] <MobyTurbo> echo, the window, except the CD reference, looks wide enough to me.
[04:56] <MobyTurbo> echo, how to get to "repositories" though for most users is non-obvious, and what to put in even less so - especialy considering that marillat uses a different format than uni/multiverse.
[04:56] <njs12345> hmm.. it's complaining because it can't find kontact-plugins
[04:57] <njs12345> Depends: kontact-plugins (>=4:3.2.3-1) but it is not installable
[04:58] <MobyTurbo> brb, caffeine is calling
[04:58] <farruinn> xukun, any luck?
[04:58] <crimsun> njs12345: it is no longer provided by any pool
[04:58] <crimsun> njs12345: you can try looking in snapshot.debian.net
[04:58] <echo> MobyTurbo, I couldn't see the fields that contained "universe" by default
[04:58] <echo> I had to drag the window wider
[04:58] <njs12345> eh
[04:59] <njs12345> I guess I'll just not install the kde package then, and go with separate kdelibs/kdebase/kdepim etc
[04:59] <xukun> farruinn, no, I,m installing the one in ubuntu's repositories
[04:59] <farruinn> xukun, ok, that's probably best
[04:59] <farruinn> mixing your sources can break the system quite easily
[05:00] <xukun> farruinn, I see
[05:00] <xukun> bbl
[05:00] <njs12345> I broke my system first time.. I upgraded to hoary and then upgraded evolution
[05:00] <njs12345> everything started coming down around me lol
[05:00] <farruinn> warty is fresh enough for me
[05:00] <farruinn> I'll gladly take slightly out of date packages over instability
[05:01] <njs12345> I like the bleeding edge
[05:01] <farruinn> they don't call it the bleeding edge for nothing though =)
[05:01] <njs12345> that's definitely true
[05:02] <njs12345> bah apt got my hopes up this morning
[05:02] <|icu|> In evolution when I enable on authentication for smtp It gets disabled once I go ok. If I go back it's unselected again. Is there anyway to enable it?
[05:02] <njs12345> I went for my daily "sudo apt-get {update,upgrade}" and it said fglrx-driver needed to be updated
[05:02] <njs12345> so I thought ATI had finally done the december driver update which they said was coming.. but meh, they hadn't
[05:04] <farruinn> I really shouldn't say too many bad things about hoary though - it the development branch.  It needs to be tested.
[05:04] <farruinn> if no one used it then that would never happen
[05:04] <njs12345> yeah.. us masochists make the world go round ;)
[05:05] <xukun> farruinn, have you seen the new version of xfce4
[05:05] <xukun> >
[05:05] <farruinn> xukun, no
[05:05] <farruinn> xukun, is it vastly superior to the one provided by warty?
[05:06] <xukun> farruinn, I did it realy looks much beter
[05:06] <xukun> yes
[05:07] <xukun> farruinn so I think I will take the chance of upgrading to hoary
[05:08] <farruinn> hey, on the bright side, if you're using xfce you don't have to worry about the gnome-menus shit ;)
[05:08] <xukun> true
[05:08] <GotD0t> xukun: do you need any 3d games and have a ati gfx card?
[05:09] <xukun> GotD0t, no, but what is your point?
[05:09] <GotD0t> xukun: because the ati drivers are not accelerated in xorg yet
[05:10] <xukun> GotD0t, I dont have any ati card, so its ok then!
[05:10] <GotD0t> xukun: lucky you ;-)
[05:16] <kensai> is it recomended to install warty and without updating the install just upgrade to hoary. Or is better first having the warty box up2date?
[05:18] <GotD0t> kensai: it is recommended that you use warty
[05:20] <Treenaks> sval: dutch support in #ubuntu-nl :)
[05:20] <sval> Treenaks: why do you say that to me ?
[05:21] <pepsi_> whoary
[05:22] <Treenaks> sval: because your last name looks Dutch, and you're from Belgium :)
[05:22] <Treenaks> sval: uh.. in belgium
[05:22] <sval> Treenaks: and in belgium ther is 50% people who are french speaking ;)
[05:23] <Treenaks> sval: yes, but those tend to have Frenchish names :)
[05:23] <sval> Treenaks: my name is Stphane ...
[05:24] <kensai> GotD0t, I know, I'm a SID user
[05:24] <Treenaks> sval: well, sorry then :)
[05:24] <sval> Treenaks: no prob :d
[05:24] <Treenaks> mjt: ubuntu got on your system by means of magic? :P
[05:24] <kensai> GotD0t, I just want to know the question I asked, I've used Hoary without problems but I'm going to do another fresh install of warty
[05:25] <GotD0t> kensai: do you want to be able to use both?
[05:25] <MobyTurbo> bummer, another person refused to take an ubuntu CD pack.
[05:25] <farruinn> kensai, I think updating the few security updates there are for warty then going to hoary would be a waste of time
[05:25] <farruinn> I'd just upgrade to hoary right away
[05:25] <MobyTurbo> I tried to explain how Linux is superior to Windows, I think he didn't believe me. ;)
[05:26] <GotD0t> MobyTurbo: take a different approach, take the approach of how shitty windows is
[05:26] <mjt> my first system has been installed ages ago. speaking of debian, i gust used debootstrap once to create minimal live system and copied the image to numerous machines, upgrading as necessary...
[05:26] <mjt> s/gust/just/
[05:26] <MobyTurbo> GotD0t, I mentioned that too.
[05:26] <GotD0t> MobyTurbo: gotta do more than mention it
[05:26] <kensai> farruinn, Yeah I thought so but I wanted a second opininon
[05:26] <MobyTurbo> GotD0t, I literally put the CD in his hand, and he gave it back.
[05:26] <kensai> GotD0t, nah I just use hoary]
[05:27] <farruinn> MobyTurbo: linux isn't for everyone
[05:27] <GotD0t> kensai: then im confused, if you already use hoary then why you going to install warty then upgrade to hoary?
[05:27] <farruinn> GotD0t: second machine I believe
[05:27] <MobyTurbo> farruinn, true enough, but the amount of people to whom it's appropriate grows larger.
[05:27] <kensai> GotD0t, nah I use SID now where I was using Hoary and now in my other HDD I'll have hoary again
[05:28] <kensai> farruinn, second HDD ;)
[05:28] <farruinn> eh, close enough =)
[05:28] <mjt> btw, upgrading from sid (or even sarge) to horay or warty is.. risky
[05:28] <GotD0t> kensai: gotcha, just install warty then switch your sources over to the hoary sources and update
[05:28] <kensai> mjt, I don't plan to do so from SID just from warty and I've done it before
[05:28] <mjt> hoary even
[05:29] <kensai> GotD0t, yeah I know
[05:29] <GotD0t> kensai: then what seems to be the question?
[05:29] <mjt> there are several changes in ubuntu packages compared to debian (kernel-package is one of them), but on sid some packages are more recent, so ubuntu changes will be lost
[05:30] <farruinn> mjt, can't that be fixed with pinning?
[05:30] <mjt> unless you do dist-upgrade after removing debian sources.lst entries
[05:30] <farruinn> ah
[05:30] <kensai> GotD0t, the first I asked and it was answered long ago now
[05:30] <mjt> farruinn: for that to work you have to know which packages to pin
[05:30] <kensai> ;)
[05:30] <GotD0t> kensai: oh, hehe
[05:30] <kensai> I just miss Xorg a lot
[05:30] <farruinn> mjt, Package: * no?
[05:31] <mjt> well.. it may work too
[05:31] <farruinn> :)
[05:31] <BockBilbo> hello
[05:31] <kensai> here in SID I can compile Xorg but nothing compares to the roriginal when Debian gets their own packages of Xorg
[05:31] <mousematt> hello
[05:31] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, are you the one that do some gnome icon themes?
[05:34] <eim> Is there any way to disable the use of devfs during the Ubuntu CD (Warty) boot. I need a traditional /dev, thanks.
[05:36] <mjt> devfs=nomount?  But it may not work after boot
[05:37] <eim> mjt: Fact is I need to reinstall grub on the MBR. I have my root on /dev/hda3 and boot on /dev/hda2.
[05:37] <mjt> why everyone's installing grub/lilo in mbr, btw?
[05:37] <mjt> and, why to use separate /boot partition? ;)
[05:37] <mjt> (not answers to your question, but i'm curious ;)
[05:38] <eim> mjt: To have more troubles in extreme rescue situations ;)
[05:38] <BockBilbo> what do i have write in the command of a link for executing a .sh file in gnome??
[05:38] <BockBilbo> sh /loc/ation/file.sh ?
[05:38] <nash> hello
[05:38] <mjt> BockBilbo: the same as you use to execute it in command line? ;)
[05:39] <BockBilbo> ... i know it should be that mjt but dont know why it doesnt work
[05:39] <BockBilbo> :S
[05:39] <mjt> eim: it should be ok to refresh grub install even with devfs: grub has nothing to do with devfs, really, it uses it's own naming scheme for disks/partitions
[05:41] <BockBilbo> mjt, i want to create a link for azureus
[05:41] <BockBilbo> which is located at /opt/azureus/azureus
[05:41] <mjt> select tablespace_name,sum(bytes),count(*),min(bytes),max(bytes) from dba_free_space group by tablespace_name;
[05:41] <BockBilbo> ive tried with: sh /opt/azureus/azureus in the command.. but doesnt work
[05:41] <BockBilbo> :S
[05:41] <mjt> oops - wrong window
[05:41] <BockBilbo> neither /opt/azureus/azureus
[05:42] <nash> guys sorry, i just added an user to my ubuntu machine...but it's not allowed to use the audio system, while i am...seems like a permission matter...any idea?
[05:42] <mjt> does it work from the terminal?
[05:42] <eim> mjt: I boot with the Ubuntu installer CD, mount /dev/hda3 as oldroot, chroot oldroot. Once inside I need to mount /boot which Is mapped as /dev/hda2 but I can't cause the Ubuntu installer CD uses /dev/disc/etc. syntax.
[05:42] <BockBilbo> well.. it works if i am in the location
[05:42] <BockBilbo> if i do:
[05:42] <BockBilbo> /opt/azureus $ sh azureus
[05:42] <mjt> eim: mount both while you're outside of the chroot
[05:43] <eim> mjt: Yes, this is possible. Then...
[05:43] <mjt> eim: it's a good idea anyway to mount while in real root
[05:43] <johann_> There used to be a k3b installation guide on the ubuntu site can't seem to find it was it removed?
[05:44] <Treenaks> johann_: just apt-get install k3b, then run gksudo k3b
[05:44] <BockBilbo> johann
[05:44] <mjt> BockBilbo: i dunno what's azureus and how it works.. try: cd; sh /opt/azureus/azureus frmo the terminal - will it work?
[05:44] <wezzer> be careful, k3b mixed up my gnome
[05:44] <farruinn> BockBilbo, have you run azureus before?  I tried it and it was really ugly imo
[05:44] <eim> mjt: Ok. What's next in order to be able to reinstall the MBR with grub? Thanks.
[05:45] <johann_> Treenaks : any problems running k3b or does it work good?
[05:45] <nash> guys sorry, i just added an user to my ubuntu machine...but it's not allowed to use the audio system, while i am...seems like a permission matter...any idea?
[05:45] <BockBilbo> farruinn, nope, ive always used the original BT
[05:45] <Treenaks> johann_: not that I know, except that it's a KDE app
[05:45] <mjt> eim: chroot and install it as usual?  your /dev/ *inside* chroot should be ok i think
[05:45] <eim> mjt: I'll check and let you know. Thanks.
[05:45] <BockBilbo> mjt it does work
[05:45] <BockBilbo> :)
[05:46] <mjt> BockBilbo: how exactly?
[05:46] <mjt> ;)
[05:46] <BockBilbo> cd; sh /opt/azureus/azureus
[05:46] <BockBilbo> in terminal
[05:46] <mjt> what it prints out? what you expect it to do but it does not do?
[05:47] <johann_> Treenaks thx
[05:47] <BockBilbo> mjt, are you talking to me?
[05:47] <mjt> yes ;)
[05:47] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, you need opt in your path if you want executables to run from there when you are outside of the directory
[05:48] <mjt> hehe
[05:48] <BockBilbo> well.. trie linux_mafia
[05:48] <mjt> linux_mafia: i don't think you're exactly right ;)
[05:48] <BockBilbo> ... i didnt think on that... im gonna create a symlink in /usr/bin
[05:48] <BockBilbo> righ?
[05:48] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, /usr/local/bin
[05:49] <mjt> BockBilbo: *why* it does not work?
[05:49] <mjt> before doing any symlinks or path manipulations... ;)
[05:49] <linux_mafia> mjt, yeah i wasnt exactly right, he would need /opt/azureus, unless he had a symlink in /opt itself
[05:49] <BockBilbo> mjt, dont know.. it does work in the terminal.. but not in the link
[05:49] <BockBilbo> ..
[05:50] <mjt> er
[05:50] <eim> mjt: No way, I see only /dev/hda1 mounted as / in the chroot. Which is also false.
[05:50] <mjt> 19:45 < BockBilbo> mjt it does work
[05:50] <mjt> 19:46 < BockBilbo> cd; sh /opt/azureus/azureus
[05:50] <BockBilbo> ohhhh..
[05:50] <BockBilbo> hold on
[05:50] <mjt> eim: does it bother you?
[05:50] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, why not just add an entry in your menu for it?
[05:50] <mjt> eim: that info is in /etc/mtab
[05:51] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, thats what i did
[05:51] <mjt> linux_mafia: that's what he's trying to do, exactly
[05:51] <BockBilbo> ;)
[05:51] <eim> mjt: Furthermore I can't use grub-install because it needs a partition target in the chroot which I can't provide due to the fact that the chroot does not have /dev which is handled by Ubuntu's udev.
[05:51] <mjt> eim: aha!
[05:51] <eim> mjt: I'll check mtab.
[05:51] <linux_mafia> mjt, and what was the problem?
[05:52] <mjt> linux_mafia: it does not work ;-P
[05:52] <mjt> linux_mafia: i asked him several times how exactly it does not work
[05:52] <linux_mafia> oh
[05:52] <linux_mafia> ok
[05:52] <mjt> eim: just ignore the mount thing - it's irrelevant
[05:52] <mjt> eim: but the lack of devices in /dev is.. problematic
[05:53] <deFrysk> anyone know of a solution of the nvidia-driver freeze in hoary ?
[05:53] <eim> mjt: Yes. I can't install grub without /dev.
[05:53] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, you using hoary or warty?
[05:53] <eim> mjt: Outside the chroot I have /dev.
[05:53] <BockBilbo> warty
[05:53] <mjt> eim: i think it's best to mount devfs (yes, right) in the chroot too, and go from there, replacing hda with disks/.../whatever
[05:53] <ploum> Hi,
[05:54] <ploum> is there a know problem with the latest nvidia driver in Hoary with kernel 2.6.9-k7 ?
[05:54] <ploum> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load GLX
[05:54] <ploum> (WW) NVIDIA(0): Option "AGPFastWrite" is not used
[05:54] <ploum> (WW) NVIDIA(0): Option "PageFlip" is not used
[05:54] <ploum> (WW) NVIDIA(0): Option "XaaNoOffscreenPixmaps" is not used
[05:54] <netmonk> hello all! do you know how I can change the coding of the font in Gaim in Ubuntu.
[05:54] <eim> mjt: This would be solution. Any ideas on how to mount devfs in the chroot?
[05:54] <mjt> eim: if `mount -t devfs devfs /chroot/dev' does not work saying `already mounted', 'busy' or whatever, try bind-mount
[05:55] <bradbury9> hello
[05:55] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, so you added a menu entry for azureus, but its not working, is that your problem?
[05:55] <mjt> BockBilbo: so, *how exactly* it "does not work" from the terminal?
[05:55] <eim> mjt: ok
[05:55] <bradbury9> coulbd anyone tell me a good sources.list? I find the default ones quite limited
[05:56] <mjt> fsvo "good" ;)
[05:56] <farruinn> bradbury9: what are you looking for?
[05:56] <farruinn> have you enabled universe/multiverse?
[05:56] <bradbury9> dvd playing software
[05:56] <BockBilbo> yes linux_mafia
[05:56] <mjt> i've seen a list of about 500 debian repositories somewhere ;)
[05:56] <eim> mjt: /dev is here now, nice.
[05:56] <BockBilbo> ive done a new link
[05:56] <bradbury9> universe
[05:57] <bradbury9> how can be multiverse enabled?
[05:57] <BockBilbo> and write /opt/azureus/azureus in the command line and doesnt work
[05:57] <farruinn> bradbury do you use synaptic?
[05:57] <GotD0t> bradbury9: add multiverse next to wherever you added universe
[05:57] <bradbury9> yes, I do
[05:57] <mjt> bluefoxicy: 4th time: *how exactly* it "does not work" ??
[05:57] <mjt> er
[05:57] <mjt> BockBilbo: 4th time: *how exactly* it "does not work" ??
[05:57] <bradbury9> ok, I will try the new packages
[05:57] <bradbury9> thanks
[05:57] <BockBilbo> hehe
[05:57] <BockBilbo> sorry mjt
[05:57] <BockBilbo> :s
[05:58] <BockBilbo> it just doesnt start
[05:58] <BockBilbo> :s
[05:58] <BockBilbo> i double click on it
[05:58] <BockBilbo> and nothing happens
[05:58] <mjt> when you run it on terminal -- does it prints something? some error messages?
[05:58] <GotD0t> BockBilbo: do you have to pass it an arg for it to work?
[05:58] <BockBilbo> instead, if i do what you said in the gnome-terminal (cd;/opt/azureus/azureus) it does work
[05:58] <BockBilbo> mjt it does not give any error
[05:59] <mjt> fun stuff ;)
[05:59] <BockBilbo> it starts normally
[05:59] <BockBilbo> .s
[05:59] <adam_> can someone help me get my java working on my ubuntu
[05:59] <mjt> does it open any window when run?
[05:59] <BockBilbo> GotD0t, i havent
[05:59] <BockBilbo> from terminal yes
[05:59] <mjt> what's it, anyway? ;)
[05:59] <adam_> what do i do at the terminal to get my java working
[06:00] <nash> guys sorry, i just added an user to my ubuntu machine...but it's not allowed to use the audio system, while i am...seems like a permission matter...any idea?
[06:00] <mjr> nash, add the user to the audio group in the user manager
[06:01] <mjt> nash: audio group
[06:01] <mjt> oops
[06:01] <adam_> can any one help me to get my java working at the terminal
[06:01] <BockBilbo> mjt its a bit torrent client
[06:01] <farruinn> nash, adam, have you read the restricted formats wiki page?
[06:01] <adam_> yea
[06:01] <farruinn> try asking a more specific question
[06:01] <Q-FUNK> Is it just me or are the Nerdelands turning into the axis of evil?
[06:01] <restrex> how knows a good text navigator? (by console)
[06:01] <eim> mjt: Inside the croot with devfs and /boot mounted grub-install /dev/discs/disc0/disc reports: /dev/discs/disc0/disc does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. Any ideas? Thanks.
[06:02] <restrex> whonows a good text navigator? (by console)
[06:02] <trans_err> how can I update my BIOS in linux?
[06:02] <Kosai> trans_err: You can't.
[06:02] <Kosai> You can read from it, via /dev/nvram.
[06:02] <wezzer> okay, I have dvd copied on my hardrive. How can I make a xvid-conversion of it?
[06:02] <Kosai> But I don't think it's writable to.
[06:02] <nash> thx a lot guys... :)
[06:02] <wezzer> normally I would type mplayer dvd://1 -dumptsream -dumpfile foo.avi
[06:02] <trans_err> so i'm stuck?
[06:03] <linux_mafia> nash, in  a teminal type : sudo adduser audio <yourusername>
[06:03] <Kosai> trans_err: I don't know whether you're stuck, because you haven't told us what your problem is.
[06:03] <restrex> who knows a good webbrowser by console?
[06:03] <GotD0t> Kosai: <trans_err> how can I update my BIOS in linux?
[06:04] <olorin> restrex: lynx
[06:04] <trans_err> Kosai, well AGP is being buggy and I want to see if an update will fix it
[06:04] <Kosai> GotD0t: That's not a problem, it's a question that I answered.
[06:04] <restrex> ok thanks olorin ;)
[06:05] <nash> thx a lot...solved out :)
[06:05] <Q-FUNK> oops.  wrong channel
[06:06] <nash> bye
[06:06] <paradoxmo> hey folks, how do i get the trash icon on the panel? i can't seem to find it in the applet list.
[06:07] <mjt> eim: well, i haven't used grub myself (yet), and can't say much. one thing to try, however: `grub-install hd0' to force it to use its own names
[06:08] <eim> mjt: Seems to be fine, I'll check.
[06:09] <mjt> eim: btw, out of curiosity: what it says with --verbose flag?
[06:09] <eim> mjt: grub installed but without any menu selection.
[06:10] <MobyTurbo> restrex, if you want tables and some frames, links, elinks, or w3m might be better choices.
[06:12] <mjt> eim: try firing up `grub', and `find /boot/grub/stage1'
[06:12] <mjt> eim: btw, it seems you don't need to chroot, provided you gave grub the proper /whatever/boot/grub directory
[06:14] <titanfox> hi all
[06:14] <Pugio> Question: I have gentoo installed with yaboot boot loader
[06:14] <titanfox> installing Ubuntu worked
[06:14] <Pugio> How can I boot from the cd in order to boot from the Warty install disk?
[06:14] <GotD0t> titanfox: gratz
[06:14] <rjek> OK.  Why after I've put an audio CD in my CD-ROM drive, and clicking the close button on the CD player that pops up, does it seem to lock the tray?
[06:14] <Pugio> (I want to overwrite the gentoo install)
[06:14] <rjek> I have to do "eject /cdrom" to get it open again.
[06:14] <titanfox> the solution for the problem I had with Grub 1.5 (error 22 during load) is because of the IDE harddrive.
[06:14] <rjek> And there's no icon on the desktop to do it from.
[06:15] <paradoxmo> rjek: computer->disks->right click on cdrom->eject
[06:15] <titanfox> If you want to install ubuntu on a SCSI drive, Ubuntu will still see IDE Primary Master as HD0
[06:15] <titanfox> it will also install GRUB there
[06:15] <paradoxmo> pugio: ppc?
[06:15] <rjek> paradoxmo: How obvious.  Ta.
[06:15] <Pugio> yup
[06:15] <Pugio> paradoxmo: yes
[06:15] <rjek> Why does it lock the tray for an audio CD anyway?
[06:15] <Pugio> will holding down the C still work?
[06:16] <Pugio> or did yaboot overwrite that?
[06:16] <titanfox> logically, because the Ubuntu install is on SCSI disc 1, GRUB will not find the system on HD0 (IDE Primary Master)
[06:16] <titanfox> maybe this is helpfull for you guys, in case someone will encounter the same problem
[06:16] <georgia> Pugio: thats a frmware thing, it stilll works
[06:16] <farruinn> Pugio: holding the c key just boots from master on the second ide bus
[06:16] <|icu|> How do I get smtp authentication to work in evolution?
[06:16] <mjt> titanfox: it's not ubuntu, it's the bios who boots off your hdd
[06:16] <Pugio> ok thanks alll
[06:16] <Pugio> I'll go try it out
[06:16] <titanfox> mjt, not really. My bios is set to boot from SCSI
[06:16] <titanfox> and not from any other device
[06:17] <titanfox> second, and third boot device are disabled
[06:17] <titanfox> also boot from other device is set to disable
[06:17] <mjt> titanfox: when it should be enouth to put evetything to that scsi disk
[06:17] <titanfox> nah
[06:17] <titanfox> Ubuntu installs GRUB on the first fysical disc
[06:17] <titanfox> in this case, HD0 (IDE)
[06:18] <titanfox> but I told the setup that it should install the system on SCA0
[06:18] <mjt> i mean, it you "force-install" grub to scsi disk, the whole thing should work
[06:18] <titanfox> mjt: obviously, it didnt
[06:18] <mjt> determining which disk is "first" one isn't ttrivial
[06:18] <mjt> (esp since one can change it in bios)
[06:19] <mjt> er, s/it/if/ 3 lines above ;)
[06:19] <titanfox> mjt: I disconnected the IDE disc, installed ubuntu, first-startet the kernel and then reconnect the IDE drive
[06:19] <titanfox> then everything worked
[06:20] <titanfox> but my next question
[06:20] <titanfox> I installed and booted into Ubuntu
[06:20] <titanfox> into the graphical interface X
[06:20] <titanfox> but how do I configure the kernel
[06:20] <paradoxmo> how do i get the trash applet on the panel? it doesn't seem to be in my applet list
[06:20] <mjt> what do you want to achieve by configuring the kernel?
[06:21] <titanfox> I want to enable NTFS support and such
[06:21] <titanfox> NTFS R-W support
[06:21] <mjt> i mean, why default kernel isn't suitable for you?  Isn't ntfs enabled by default?
[06:21] <|icu|> titanfox: doesn't exist in a usable form.
[06:21] <farruinn> paradoxmo: you're in hoary?
[06:22] <titanfox> mjt : I downloaded kernel <IP_ADDRESS>-k7
[06:22] <titanfox> but I want to adjust some options
[06:22] <mjt> it's the binary
[06:22] <mjt> you want linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS> package
[06:22] <paradoxmo> farruinn: no, gnome is (mostly if not) warty gnome
[06:22] <titanfox> well, make menuconfig and such doesnt work
[06:22] <titanfox> I installed and booted into <IP_ADDRESS>-k7
[06:23] <paradoxmo> farruinn: but the system is partially hoary, yes
[06:24] <farruinn> paradoxmo, maybe make sure trashapplet is installed.  If it is do a dpkg-reconfigure on it
[06:24] <farruinn> if that doens't work you can always put it on your desktopeasily
[06:24] <titanfox> mjt : I also have to configure the scsi adapter
[06:25] <titanfox> ubuntu uses the wrong module
[06:25] <paradoxmo> yeah, i upgraded from testing, so the package wasn't installed, thanks
[06:25] <titanfox> 79xx
[06:25] <titanfox> but I need to load the 78xx module
[06:26] <Pugio> Oy! Now I remember why I installed Gentoo instead of Ubuntu, I can't get the ubuntu installer to boot
[06:26] <Pugio> I thought maybe that it was a CD error, but it's definately not
[06:27] <paradoxmo> pugio: does any debian-based live cd boot?
[06:27] <Pugio> I think so
[06:27] <Pugio> I remember installing Debian a while ago
[06:27] <Pugio> and Yellow Dog also worked
[06:27] <farruinn> Pugio: what model computer are you trying to install onto?
[06:27] <mjt> titanfox: hopefully it'll be fixed in 2.6.10 kernel, finally... but it should really try both drivers for now
[06:27] <paradoxmo> what version of debian?
[06:27] <Pugio> G4 agp graphics - let me explain the problem
[06:27] <Pugio> It starts to boot
[06:28] <Pugio> but it get's a kernel panic
[06:28] <titanfox> by the way, how can I check what kernel is currently loaded ?
[06:28] <topogeek> anyone speak spanish?
[06:28] <Pugio> with the message
[06:28] <Pugio> "Kernel Panic, rebooting in 180 seconds"
[06:28] <Pugio> or something to that effect
[06:28] <farruinn> topogeek: they do #ubuntu-es
[06:28] <Pugio> this is a G4 AGP graphics
[06:28] <paradoxmo> titanfox: uname -a
[06:29] <topogeek> thanks farruinn
[06:29] <Pugio> I have no idea how to get the kernel to succesfully boot
[06:29] <paradoxmo> pugio: do you remember what version of debian worked?
[06:30] <paradoxmo> could it possibly be a 2.4/2.6 change? are you running 2.6 on gentoo?
[06:30] <titanfox> paradoxmo : Linux Athlon2700 <IP_ADDRESS>-3-k7 #1 Thu Nov 18 13:24:36 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:30] <Pugio> No, but it was less than six months ago
[06:30] <titanfox> is that kernel up to date ?
[06:30] <paradoxmo> titanfox, then you're running <IP_ADDRESS>-3-k7
[06:30] <Pugio> I'm running a gentoo 2.6.9
[06:30] <titanfox> okies
[06:30] <Pugio> *(not that that has to do with anything really)
[06:31] <paradoxmo> hmm. could try booting a debian install, installing the base system, and then upgrading to ubuntu?
[06:31] <paradoxmo> if your boot problem doesn't get solved
[06:31] <Pugio> that might work
[06:31] <Pugio> I'm not sure how exactly... but I'll figure it out
[06:31] <paradoxmo> i'm a i386, do they have knoppix for ppc?
[06:31] <Pugio> right now I want to try to figure out why this CD won't boot
[06:32] <Pugio> no:(
[06:32] <Pugio> I wish
[06:32] <restrex> MobyTurbo  ok ;) sorry i was eating :P
[06:32] <paradoxmo> it doesn't tell you *why* the kernel panicked?
[06:32] <Pugio> well, there's a bunch of messages before it
[06:32] <Pugio> but nothing glaring
[06:32] <Pugio> I can try to take a picture of the screen and post it
[06:33] <RobDollar> just got my cd, having a problem with resolution on the live CD, after the splash screen, the resolution is too big, and hence my screen goes crazy, I've tried setting the resolution to minimum on boot, but it always goes back to the big resolution
[06:33] <RobDollar> any ideas?
[06:34] <paradoxmo> pugio: would you? worth a shot
[06:34] <paradoxmo> i can't promise anything 'cuz i don't know that much about ppc
[06:34] <Pugio> lets see then...
[06:34] <paradoxmo> robdollar: do you have trouble with this monitor on any other machine?
[06:35] <RobDollar> no
[06:35] <RobDollar> its only 14inch, and can only go up to 800X600
[06:35] <ploum> Hello
[06:35] <ploum> Even with composite disabled, latest nvidia drivers doesn't seems to work
[06:35] <paradoxmo> robdollar, did you try the boot options at the splash?
[06:36] <RobDollar> paradoxmo: yes, ive altered the command lines at the bottom to be the lowest possible, but it always seems to put the resolution back to high after splash
[06:37] <paradoxmo> well, the problem in the first place is that your monitor probably doesn't have dcc support, so X can't tell what resolutions it uses
[06:38] <BockBilbo> im back..
[06:38] <paradoxmo> i don't have the live cd, so i'm at a loss as to exactly how to help
[06:39] <paradoxmo> does knoppix work?
[06:39] <BockBilbo> i  havent been able to create the link to azureus.. but well
[06:39] <BockBilbo> :s
[06:39] <Quest-Master> Has anyone here gotten MIDI to work in Ubuntu?
[06:39] <BockBilbo> is it possible to make samba start on booting without cnfiguring it via network-admin
[06:40] <Pugio> Ok, I tried doing some searches on the Ubuntu forums, but nothing - so I'm taking the picture now
[06:41] <njs12345> hmm
[06:41] <njs12345> I installed KDE
[06:41] <njs12345> and now my menus are buggered
[06:41] <njs12345> is there a menu editor for GNOME?
[06:42] <seb128> hoary ?
[06:42] <paradoxmo> njs, is it warty gnome or hoary gnome?
[06:42] <paradoxmo> Pugio: ok
[06:42] <njs12345> hoary gnome
[06:43] <seb128> njs12345, apt-get install --reinstall gnome-menus
[06:43] <njs12345> ok brb
[06:43] <paradoxmo> anyone here involved with the website? i registered for an account and it never sent me any of the information.
[06:45] <Gwildor> i dont thinkit does?
[06:45] <Gwildor> shipit?
[06:45] <GotD0t> paradoxmo: did you type your email address correctly ;-)
[06:45] <njs12345> do I need to restart gdm? I logged out and back in and it didn't do anything
[06:45] <paradoxmo> GotD0t: yes (-:
[06:46] <paradoxmo> i actually registered twice, because it gave me an error after i gave it an email address with a plus sign in it, so i used another one
[06:46] <paradoxmo> but i never got instructions at either one
[06:46] <paradoxmo> njs: to get to the menu editor, do applications->run->applications:///
[06:47] <RzR> i just tested the livecd on my laptop and the touchpad is not enabled :( but on knoppix it works
[06:47] <Pugio> pardoxmo: I got the picture, uploading it now. There actually is a message for the panic. It's "Kernel Panic: Attempted to kill init"
[06:47] <paradoxmo> hmm.
[06:49] <njs12345> paradoxmo: is that like a nautilus scheme? if I go to "actions->run->applications:///" it gives me an error
[06:50] <paradoxmo> yes, that's a nautilus thing
[06:50] <paradoxmo> what error?
[06:50] <njs12345> Cannot display location 'applications://'
[06:50] <njs12345> Details: There is no default action associated with this location
[06:50] <njs12345> it happens with three /s as well
[06:51] <paradoxmo> i heard that there were some issues with hoary gnome and applications:///
[06:52] <paradoxmo> i'm using warty gnome /-: so i don't know
[06:52] <paradoxmo> is it major what happened to your menus?
[06:52] <paradoxmo> you could try using right-clicking in the menu and deleting and adding?
[06:53] <Pugio> aaandd, I just deleted the photos
[06:53] <Pugio> here we go agin
[06:53] <paradoxmo> pugio: genius (-;
[06:53] <paradoxmo> i do things like that all the time
[06:56] <Pugio> oh yes
[06:56] <Pugio> super genius
[06:59] <emanuelez> hello everybody
[07:00] <ploum> hello
[07:00] <emanuelez> i'm considering to switch from debian/unstable to ubuntu...
[07:00] <emanuelez> hi ploum
[07:00] <ploum> emanuelez, my advice is to install from scratch
[07:00] <paradoxmo> emanuelez: i just did that last week, so if you need help...
[07:01] <Pugio> ok paradoxmo
[07:01] <Pugio> here's the pictures
[07:01] <emanuelez> paradoxmo: did u face any trouble?
[07:01] <paradoxmo> emanuelez: yes, but it's nothing not easily fixed
[07:01] <Pugio> in order of viewing: http://pugio.spymac.net/DSCN2622.JPG http://pugio.spymac.net/DSCN2624.JPG http://pugio.spymac.net/DSCN2623.JPG
[07:01] <Pugio> three parts of the screen
[07:02] <emanuelez> mmm... maybe i should just burn some dvds to have my home dir and /etc... innit?
[07:02] <emanuelez> just in case.... :)
[07:03] <paradoxmo> emanuelez: nothing's really incapacitated, just some things don't initially work like plugging in your usb disk and having it automatically mount
[07:03] <paradoxmo> but just to be sure, why not?
[07:03] <emanuelez> paradoxmo: yeah... time for some backup :)
[07:03] <Pugio> pardoxmo: if you can't read any part, let me know and I'll attempt to sharpen it
[07:03] <paradoxmo> pugio: sig11 looks suspiciously like memory error
[07:03] <Pugio> yeah
[07:03] <Cred> Hello. Is it possible to get wmv 9 support?
[07:04] <Pugio> says bad access
[07:04] <paradoxmo> and then the rest of it looks like something with the serial driver,
[07:04] <zenpod> Cred, yes, w32codecs from merrillat
[07:04] <zenpod> er wait
[07:04] <zenpod> dunno if that's 9
[07:04] <paradoxmo> but that may be just where it failed? 'cuz it says serial8250 nothing to do on powermac
[07:05] <Cred> zenpod, ok. What name does the package have?
[07:05] <zenpod> w32codecs
[07:05] <zenpod> ubhuti, restrictedformats
[07:05] <ubhuti> Since there are some legal restrictions on what Ubuntu can freely release, some software my need to be aquired elsewhere.  See http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats to find out how you can get this non-free software.
[07:06] <paradoxmo> maybe try switching your second memory chip into the first slot?
[07:06] <paradoxmo> and removing the first
[07:09] <Pugio> paradoxmo: I could try that, but the problem is
[07:09] <Cred> zenpod, thanks. It does seem to have WMV9 codec.
[07:10] <Pugio> it works fine with debian, YDL, gentoo
[07:10] <zenpod> Cred, cool :)
[07:10] <Pugio> why would I have to switch only for Ubuntu?
[07:11] <paradoxmo> i don't know...different systems hit different things... even with like slightly different kernel versions. at this point you're not sure if it really is the memory flaking or not, but if you switch them you'd make sure
[07:11] <paradoxmo> if it does the same thing, then it's not a memory flake (or at least very unlikely)
[07:11] <paradoxmo> but if it is a memory flake, you're better off knowing now
[07:12] <Pugio> right
[07:12] <Pugio> oook, I'll try it
[07:12] <Pugio> so.. switch the DIMMs
[07:12] <Pugio> or just use one?
[07:12] <paradoxmo> just use one, for now?
[07:12] <paradoxmo> i guess that's safer
[07:12] <Pugio> oook
[07:12] <Pugio> here we go
[07:14] <mjt> bad memory chips?
[07:15] <mjt> i had an interesting thing once, long time ago... bad memory, which, at that time, only hit bitmap preview in norton commander (MSDOS-6.0 times)
[07:15] <Karlos> hi can anyone help me out with a little problem regarding my alcatel speedtouch 330 modem and ubuntu
[07:15] <mjt> and only in DOS, not within windows dos box
[07:16] <paradoxmo> mjt: yeah sounds familiar
[07:16] <Karlos> i am making the move from libranet
[07:16] <paradoxmo> what are you specifically having a problem with Karlos?
[07:16] <lil_anthony> question: anyone in here use paltalk by chance? i have been trying to set it up with wine but either i'm doing something wrong or it simply doesn't work. I found a page that talked about importing dlls and did that but it failed any help would be great
[07:17] <Karlos> this 2.6 kernel seems to have built in support but i cant get it too work
[07:17] <paradoxmo> what's wrong?
[07:18] <aaroncuk> hi all, got my ubuntu cds today.. yay.. just want to know if there is an msn client for ubuntu
[07:18] <Pugio> well, remvoing the 3 other DIMM's did zip
[07:18] <Pugio> soooo, I guess it's not a memory flake
[07:18] <PotajiTo> .. aaroncuk gaim is included in ubuntu
[07:19] <paradoxmo> you sure you used a different first module?
[07:19] <Karlos> when the computer boots up i get an error regarding the speedtch module something about an unrecoignised character
[07:19] <Pugio> woops
[07:19] <Pugio> nope, I left the first one in
[07:19] <Pugio> let me switch that
[07:19] <Karlos> ive managed to get it too work with the speedtouchconf script
[07:19] <paradoxmo> aaroncuk: applications->internet->gaim instant messenger
[07:20] <aaroncuk> cool thanks
[07:20] <BockBilbo> how do i install a .deb packae?
[07:20] <BockBilbo> dpkg xx.deb??
[07:20] <wasabi> man dpkg
[07:20] <paradoxmo> it supports multiple protocols, so you might have to go into accounts and select msn manually
[07:20] <paradoxmo> dpkg -i filename.deb
[07:20] <paradoxmo> but reading the man page is a good idea
[07:21] <BockBilbo> thnks
[07:21] <paradoxmo> karlos: don't know enough about that, sorry...
[07:21] <Cred> zenpod, works like a charm. Great, thanks.
[07:21] <Karlos> no worries....cheers
[07:21] <zenpod> Cred, excellent :)
[07:23] <Cred> A new problem. I have a budget Technotrend digi TV card and I've been trying to get it to work. As far as I know all necessary modules are loaded but /dev/video0 is missing.
[07:23] <Treenaks> Cred: digital TV? you mean DVB?
[07:23] <Treenaks> Cred: because that quite different from analog TV
[07:23] <Cred> Treenaks, DVB.
[07:24] <Tsjoklat> want me to take that one Treenaks?
[07:24] <Treenaks> Cred: look on linux-tv.org (and get the dvb utilities packages)
[07:24] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: take what?
[07:24] <miausX> hi! :)
[07:24] <Tsjoklat> the dvb geezer
[07:24] <Tsjoklat> hey miausX!
[07:24] <Cred> I ran MAKEDEV-DVB.sh and that indeed create some devices but didn't help.
[07:24] <miausX> hi Tsjoklat!! :D
[07:24] <paradoxmo_food> hi there
[07:24] <Tsjoklat> and how are you doing miausX
[07:25] <miausX> Tsjoklat, oh, well... I'm investigating about warty-updates repository :)
[07:25] <paradoxmo> what about it?
[07:25] <Cred> Treenaks, look what? That site doesn't provide much help for my problem, at least I didn't find anything useful.
[07:25] <Tsjoklat> miausX how exciting!
[07:25] <Treenaks> Cred: browse around a bit
[07:26] <Cred> Actually it wasn't linux-tv.org..
[07:26] <Cred> linux-tv.org seems to be in german
[07:26] <miausX> Tsjoklat, I don't think so... I don't know what is the purpose of that repository and there is not info about that :(
[07:27] <Tsjoklat> miausX to get files... do you have problems setting it up?
[07:27] <Treenaks> Cred: without the -.. linuxtv.org
[07:27] <paradoxmo> miausX: it's for updates (e.g. security) after warty, but nothing bleeding edge
[07:27] <miausX> oh! I see :D
[07:28] <miausX> Tsjoklat, no, it works well :)
[07:28] <paradoxmo> if you know debian, it's like security.debian.org?
[07:28] <Cred> Treenaks, yea ;) And I didn't find much help from there.
[07:29] <miausX> paradoxmo, hum? but... I have a line in my sources.list for security upgrades: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[07:29] <miausX> is not the same than deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[07:30] <paradoxmo> hm, you're right. let's see.
[07:30] <Tsjoklat> miausX just add that to the security too
[07:30] <miausX> hola punk0 :)
[07:30] <punk0> hi, i have troubles whit ubuntu like gateway of my lan
[07:30] <paradoxmo> punk0: how did you set it up?
[07:30] <miausX> Tsjoklat, yep, I have both installed
[07:30] <miausX> errr... added in my sources.list, sorry :)
[07:30] <Tsjoklat> make security main restricted universe multiverse
[07:30] <zenwhen> hey Tsjoklat :D
[07:30] <punk0> i have a adsl line and use pppoctl
[07:31] <Tsjoklat> hey zenwhen :)
[07:31] <paradoxmo> hmm, it appears i was wrong. i will join you in the search for more info...
[07:31] <paradoxmo> punk0: have you not tried to set it up as the gateway yet?
[07:32] <miausX> paradoxmo, thanks :)
[07:32] <paradoxmo> Tsjoklat: he's asking what the warty-updates repo is for
[07:32] <paradoxmo> not how to use it
[07:32] <Tsjoklat> paradoxmo I stand corrected
[07:33] <punk0> use the same rules that in other servers and where if they works
[07:34] <paradoxmo> punk0, are you directly trying to set up iptables?
[07:34] <paradoxmo> you could try firestarter
[07:34] <punk0> directly
[07:34] <punk0> i make a script to make a simple nat
[07:34] <punk0> not firewalling
[07:34] <paradoxmo> is it a dynamic ip?
[07:35] <paradoxmo> and what're the symptoms? you can't get anything from your clients?
[07:35] <punk0> yeap a dynamic ip
[07:35] <punk0> i can connect to msn
[07:36] <punk0> an some web like google
[07:36] <punk0> and amazon
[07:37] <paradoxmo> but what can't you do?
[07:37] <paradoxmo> (this is from the clients right?)
[07:37] <punk0> but cant load more elaborated pages
[07:37] <paradoxmo> for example?
[07:38] <paradoxmo> pugio: did it work?
[07:38] <shmoolik> hello i have just installed ubuntu for the 1st time :)
[07:38] <paradoxmo> shmoolik: congrats (-:
[07:38] <eim> mjr: MBR (grub) is installed. Just one problem remains: When the system boots it get's in panic telling me it can't open /dev/console. Infact there's no console in /dev on the root.
[07:38] <shmoolik> thanks
[07:38] <shmoolik> :)
[07:38] <Moon-Monkey> can any1 tell me why i aint getting any sound in ubuntu? i just installed it, so do i need to install some drivers or something?
[07:39] <paradoxmo> what are you trying to get sound out of?
[07:39] <wezzer> Moon-Monkey: alsamixer
[07:39] <wezzer> check that there are no muted master etc...
[07:39] <Moon-Monkey> you mean which program?
[07:39] <farruinn> Pugio: did you ever get that cd to boot?
[07:39] <wezzer> alsamixer
[07:40] <paradoxmo> moon-monkey: applications->media->volume control
[07:40] <paradoxmo> and see if anything's muted
[07:40] <shmoolik> but i have a problem  i have installed it with my windows .... and i still want my windows to b my defult OS how can i change that ?
[07:40] <Tsjoklat> shmoolik move it up in grub so that it is the first in the list
[07:40] <shmoolik> ( what i mean is that iwant the GRAB to load windows as the defulte OS)
[07:40] <farruinn> shmoolik, I think that if you boot into windows once it will become your default
[07:40] <Moon-Monkey> ahh, "volume control" should have thought of that from the start... :P
[07:41] <shmoolik> Tsjoklat,  can u tell me how can i move it up
[07:41] <farruinn> but I'm on ppc, so I don't know for sure
[07:41] <Tsjoklat> farruinn no it won't
[07:41] <Moon-Monkey> thnx peeps
[07:41] <paradoxmo> shmoolik: try http://ubuntuguide.org/#changedefaultosgrub
[07:41] <shmoolik> thanks paradoxmo :)))
[07:41] <farruinn> Tsjoklat: ok, thanks.  I thought that it had on a friend's machine but I guess not.
[07:42] <Tsjoklat> shmoolik /boot/grub
[07:42] <shmoolik> Tsjoklat,  as a root right ?
[07:42] <Tsjoklat> shmoolik sudo
[07:44] <shmoolik> thank u all ppl u were a grate help
[07:44] <shmoolik> i found the file and i c it have very good explantoin in it
[07:44] <shmoolik> thank u thank thank u
[07:44] <paradoxmo> np shmoolik
[07:44] <Simira> how do I delete all contacts in evolution?
[07:45] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: do you know when these improved boot times (30 second boots) are going to make it to hoary?
[07:50] <Solatis> crimsun: earlier you were telling me that the wallpaper i was referring to (http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/ubuntu.png
[07:50] <Solatis> ) was called 'humancircle'
[07:50] <Solatis> however, i still am unable to find that wallpaper (
[07:50] <Solatis> :(
[07:51] <Solatis> anyone else perhaps has any idea ? i have the feeling it's a really common background, however, it's not in ubuntu-artwork and is not anywhere on the forums
[07:52] <Pugio> farruinn: satill can't get disk to boot
[07:53] <paradoxmo> pugio: so different dimms, no go?
[07:53] <Pugio> nope
[07:53] <paradoxmo> ick.
[07:53] <Pugio> tried different dimms, slots, everything
[07:53] <Pugio> no go
[07:53] <paradoxmo> at least you know you don't have memory issues
[07:53] <farruinn> do you have some extra pci cards in there?
[07:53] <Pugio> hmmmm
[07:53] <Pugio> maybe
[07:54] <Pugio> but you're right, that could be it
[07:54] <Pugio> well, the thing is that I have 2 different video cards
[07:54] <farruinn> aha
[07:54] <Pugio> they've given me some problems before, but only with gentoo and X11
[07:54] <farruinn> one that you installed?
[07:54] <Pugio> worked fine with Yellow Dog tho, yes one that I installed
[07:55] <maradong> Hi, I am encountering a strange problem, and just can't find a suitable solution. I got a iMac 17'' (G4), and have just installed Ubuntu. Now even thought in the XF86Config-4 the right resolution (1440x900) is listed, the Gnome Screen Resolution Panel doesn't offer me to use that same resolution. I searched a bit around, and found only this site: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/06/msg00081.html but unfortunately, nobody answered the question
[07:55] <maradong> . Any hints what I could check for?
[07:55] <farruinn> Pugio I might try taking out the one you installed
[07:55] <Pugio> yup
[07:55] <Pugio> time to start from scratch
[07:55] <farruinn> Pugio: of course if nothing works you can install debian and upgrade to ubuntu =)
[07:56] <farruinn> but the only model that I've heard of that simpley *cannot* be booted are the new iMac G5's
[07:57] <farruinn> my college has a whole bunch for a lab but us nerds in the IT department are installing Ubuntu on just about anything we can get our hand on =)
[07:57] <paradoxmo> yeah farruinn, i had suggested that... /-:
[07:57] <farruinn> oh, sorry, I went out for some lunch so I missed your conversation
[07:58] <paradoxmo> np
[07:58] <paradoxmo> pugio, do you remember if it was sarge that worked?
[07:59] <paradoxmo> i should go out for some lunch too... think i'll do that now. thanks for the help folks
[08:00] <Gwildor> what is the absolute lightest of light WM?
[08:00] <Gwildor> i dont need any functionality at all......just something to load to launch ET from
[08:00] <paradoxmo> fluxbox, maybe? or even more so, twm
[08:00] <paradoxmo> but i don't recommend it
[08:00] <Gwildor> why?
[08:00] <paradoxmo> 'cuz it's old and unintuitive
[08:00] <maradong> Oh, stupid me. I just read the log of the XServer again and found this line:
 but the only model that I've heard of that simpley *cannot* be booted are the new iMac G5's
[08:01] <Gwildor> paradoxmo, can i launch a terminal from it?
[08:01] <maradong> sry :)
[08:01] <maradong> (II) NV(0): Not using mode "1440x900" (no mode of this name)
[08:01] <Gwildor> paradoxmo, cuz thats all i need
[08:01] <farruinn> Gwildor, you get a terminal by default in twm =)
[08:01] <maradong> Does that help anybody so that my problem could be resolved?
[08:01] <Gwildor> thnx
[08:01] <Gwildor> laters
[08:02] <daniels> maradong: wow, I've never heard of that resolution before
[08:02] <daniels> maradong: google for "1440x900 modeline" and see if that turns up anything useful, but yeah, i have no idea, sorry
[08:02] <Solatis> is that ubuntu monthly wallpaper thingie still active ? i read about it on the faq and such :)
[08:02] <stvn> daniels: isn't it a standard widescreen res?
[08:02] <maradong> daniels, I am searching as of now
[08:02] <paradoxmo> maradong, go into your log and look for where the EDID info is
[08:02] <maradong> stvn, no a normal widescreen would be 1440x1050
[08:02] <Solatis> (altough they don't appear in my 'desktop background preferences')
[08:03] <stvn> ah right
[08:03] <daniels> stvn: no, not at all
[08:03] <daniels> Solatis: absolutely
[08:03] <|QuaD|> daniels: do you know when these improved boot times (30 second boots) are going to make it to hoary?
[08:03] <Solatis> daniels: great to hear :)
[08:03] <paradoxmo> maradong: search for "EDID data" and see if the resolution you want is in the list
[08:03] <daniels> |QuaD|: hopefully next week
[08:04] <daniels> maradong: dude, you can't beat modelines out of edid
[08:04] <|QuaD|> daniels: oh, wow, early.... what do you expect the boot time to be (around)
[08:04] <stvn> cool ubuntu so transparantly handles multiple sounds now :)
[08:04] <daniels> (well, you can infer them, but you'd need to basically do a reverse gtf for that, and it's really out of place here)
[08:04] <daniels> |QuaD|: exactly what we're posting; everything we've done is absolutely applicable to hoary
[08:05] <Treenaks> daniels: yes, but WHEN can we, ordinary users, use this shiny new crack? :P
[08:05] <|QuaD|> daniels: ohh, ok... wasn't sure if you made some proof of concept changes that wouldn't work in a real deployment
[08:05] <Solatis> ah great, had to emerge ubuntu-calendar :)
[08:05] <|QuaD|> Solatis: whats ubuntu-calendar?
[08:05] <Solatis> |QuaD|: monthly wallpaper
[08:05] <maradong> paradoxmo, daniels: In the log file, a few lines under the first EDID information appears I can read: (--) NV(0): Panel size is 1440 x 900
[08:06] <|QuaD|> Solatis: so if i apt-get ubuntu-caendar, every month i will have a new backdrop?
[08:06] <Solatis> well, i don't know
[08:06] <Solatis> at least it will appear under 'desktop background preferences'
[08:06] <Solatis> and the old ones are also available
[08:07] <paradoxmo> hm maradong what's it say under Supported Additional Video Mode:?
[08:07] <daniels> Treenaks: next week!
[08:07] <|QuaD|> Solatis: neat
[08:07] <daniels> maradong: right
[08:07] <Treenaks> daniels: yay! :)
[08:07] <Solatis> |QuaD|: uhuh... including the controversial wallpapers... oohhh :)
[08:08] <paradoxmo> (i think daniels knows better what he's talking about, i'm mostly just curious)
[08:08] <maradong> there is no information about additional video modes
[08:08] <|QuaD|> Solatis: i just installed it... its art
[08:09] <|QuaD|> gtg
[08:09] <|QuaD|> bbl
[08:09] <Solatis> well, after using ubuntu for a while day i must say... yes, i like it :)
[08:09] <paradoxmo> daniels, maradong: any chance of getting that info out of a windows driver or some odd thing?
[08:10] <Solatis> *whole
[08:11] <Solatis> especially the whole eyecandy thing :)
[08:11] <Solatis> me loves eyecandy! :)
[08:11] <maradong> Isn't the list of the possible resoltions coming from Xrandr?
[08:11] <thotypous> hi
[08:11] <Solatis> hi :)
[08:12] <thotypous> i'm running from gnoppix ubuntu livecd
[08:12] <amish_geek> Why does the ubuntu installer show me my 2 hard drives, and want to set up a software raid, when I already have my 2 drives in a hardware raid 1, with a 40gb windows partition on it?
[08:12] <thotypous> it really doesn't have an installer?
[08:13] <paradoxmo> thotypous: there's a different cd to install it, iirc
[08:13] <Solatis> thotypous: well, that's the trick of a livecd
[08:13] <Solatis> the whole idea
[08:13] <thotypous> so i've to download other cd? =/
[08:13] <Solatis> well
[08:14] <Solatis> with the gnoppix livecd
[08:14] <Solatis> you don't really have to install anything!
[08:14] <Solatis> that's the whole great thing of a livecd
[08:14] <thotypous> gnoppix used to have an installer
[08:14] <Solatis> full linux functionality
[08:14] <Solatis> but you said you were using the gnoppix livecd?
[08:14] <thotypous> i'm using it now
[08:14] <thotypous> but i'd like to install it on my hd
[08:14] <amish_geek> does anyone know why ubuntu is ignoring my hardware raid1 setup, and is showing me both drives independently?
[08:15] <Solatis> well, the whole thing about livecd's is that there's not installation required, so you could even sneak up to your library and use gnoppix there
[08:15] <farruinn> thotypous: then you need to boot from the install cd
[08:15] <Solatis> thotypous: well, you need to download & burn the install cd then :)
[08:15] <maradong> paradoxmo, daniels: do you think I should change the default driver from nv to vesa, just to check whether I can get the resolution that way?
[08:15] <thotypous> farruinn, so livecd is only livecd?
[08:15] <farruinn> true
[08:15] <thotypous> not like knoppix and others..
[08:15] <farruinn> I've never used knoppix
[08:15] <Solatis> knoppix is a livecd
[08:16] <paradoxmo> is your resolution listed under Supported VESA video modes in the log?
[08:16] <Solatis> so gnoppix is like knoppix
[08:16] <Solatis> only using ubuntu and gnome rather than ?? and kde
[08:16] <thotypous> Solatis, but knoppix has an installer
[08:16] <paradoxmo> thotypous: the ubuntu live cd doesn't have an installer.
[08:16] <thotypous> ok
[08:16] <Solatis> well, installer - it offers you to allow it to use some hd space to store configuration items
[08:16] <thotypous> so i will download the install cd =)
[08:16] <paradoxmo> at least, i'm pretty sure it doesn't. can anyone confirm that?
[08:17] <thotypous> Solatis, it allows you to install it as a normal distro
[08:17] <Solatis> hmmm ok, forget what i said then - i'll stfu from here :)
[08:17] <Solatis> point is, you need the ubuntu install cd :)
[08:17] <maradong> paradoxmo, the string VESA doesn't appear in the log
[08:18] <derjunior> hi how can I change the language of the keyboard
[08:18] <paradoxmo> Solatis: knoppix has an installer that'll let you install it. i've had trouble with it though
[08:18] <paradoxmo> maradong, do you think you could email me the entire EDID portion of that log?
[08:18] <Solatis> derjunior: Compuer -> Desktop -> Keyboard Preferences -> Layouts ?
[08:19] <paradoxmo> i'm really curious, i can't guarantee i'll be of any help
[08:19] <thotypous> yeah the ubuntu install cd has the advantage it has portuguese language support =)
[08:19] <Solatis> *Desktop Preferences i mean
[08:22] <bigtony> can someone tell me why i when i type import -window root my_screenshot.jpg  i get import not found. is there a different command to use to make screenshots in a shell?
[08:23] <paradoxmo> bigtony, iirc that command is in imagemagick. sudo apt-get install imagemagick
[08:23] <bigtony> ok thanks
[08:26] <XhyldazhK> Hi all
[08:26] <restrex> hi :)
[08:26] <XhyldazhK> I've installed Apache and PHP for Apache but I can't access PHP pages on my home public html dir :(
[08:27] <XhyldazhK> when I try to do so, the browser tries to download the file instead
[08:27] <Pugio> Ok
[08:27] <Pugio> success
[08:27] <Pugio> phew
[08:27] <paradoxmo> what happened?
[08:27] <Pugio> it was, entirely my fault, I fell kind of dumb now - there was some weird PCI card that I didn't even need messing everything up
[08:27] <Pugio> both vid cards are in there tho
[08:28] <farruinn> heh, what was the other one?
[08:28] <paradoxmo> ah, so it was some kind of serial driver deal?
[08:28] <farruinn> that was causing problems?
[08:28] <Pugio> and I anticipate a few problems getting those to work perfectly, but that shouldn't be too much of a deal
[08:28] <Pugio> hang on, let me check
[08:28] <farruinn> haha, you really didn't use it
[08:29] <Pugio> nope
[08:29] <Pugio> forgot it was even there
[08:29] <Asako> does anybody know how to fix k3b in Warty?
[08:29] <Pugio> which, as I said, was my fault
[08:29] <farruinn> XhyldazhK: I've never attempted that, but I imagine you have to enable php with apache.  I don't now if this is done simply by downloading php for apache or not.
[08:29] <Asako> the default kernel doesn't work with my burner
[08:30] <squeegy> are there any better options for installing mplayer other than from source?  (i read the article in the forums) i tried the apt repository someone lists there but it won't install.
[08:30] <Gwildor> squeegy, why wont it install?
[08:31] <squeegy> well mplayer-custom says illegal instruction
[08:31] <squeegy> and mplayer-k6 complains about dependencies
[08:31] <Gwildor> from synaptic.....or apt?
[08:31] <squeegy> apt
[08:32] <Gwildor> try some other mplayers from synaptic
[08:32] <Gwildor> did you enable universe and multiverse.....depends may be in there?
[08:32] <squeegy> yes
[08:32] <iz> squeegy, have you read this: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html
[08:32] <Pugio> WoW! I can't even figure out what this is
[08:32] <thotypous> 20-Oct-2004
[08:32] <thotypous> this is the last release?
[08:32] <Pugio> it says it's a card from InnoSys - model PDS4
[08:33] <Pugio> it's got two werid round seriel type ports on the frint
[08:33] <Pugio> the only thing I can find at InnoSys has to do with airline connections
[08:33] <Pugio> so, in short, this card is a completely useless peice of junk
[08:33] <Pugio> and I should have taken it out anyway on principle
[08:33] <squeegy> iz: i don't see how that isgoing to help me.
[08:34] <Asako> anybody know how to make k3b work?
[08:34] <iz> squeegy, your right, this is for mozilla
[08:35] <squeegy> iz: indeed i've searched quite a bit
[08:35] <Treenaks> Asako: run it as ""gksudo k3b"
[08:35] <Pugio> anyway, thanks for the help guys
[08:35] <Pugio> lets see how this install progresses
[08:35] <squeegy> i'm rather disappointed so far.  i don't see why someone hasn't put up a apt repo with mplayer that actually works.
[08:35] <Treenaks> Asako: and point it to /dev/hdc or whatever your drive is, not some weird SCSI Id number
[08:35] <paradoxmo> happy ubuntuing pugio
[08:35] <Pugio> Thanks!
[08:36] <Asako> gksudo?
[08:36] <Hikaru79> Gesundheit
[08:36] <Asako> guess I'll have to reboot into 2.6.8 then
[08:38] <Asako> now it freezes at scanning for cd devices
[08:39] <squeegy> so does anyone know of a repo with mplayer that works, or am i going to have to install from source?
[08:40] <Tomcat_> squeegy: How about xine? :>
[08:40] <squeegy> Tomcat_: i prefer mplayer honestly
[08:40] <Tomcat_> k :o
[08:41] <squeegy> i'm just frusturated, i moved to ubuntu to get away from compiling from source
[08:41] <defunkt> how does one go about installing fonts in ubuntu?  i have already downloaded them from abstract fonts.com
[08:41] <thotypous> i prefer xine to mplayer
[08:42] <squeegy> thotypous: awesome
[08:42] <Asako> heh, not k3b crashes
[08:43] <thotypous> xine is more stable
[08:43] <Asako> er, now
[08:43] <xukun> I never had a success for compiling my own kernel, I always produce an unbootable kernel, what the hell is wrong with me (:'
[08:43] <Asako> xine is also slower and crappier
[08:43] <thotypous> and sometimes it wastes less cpu cicles
[08:43] <squeegy> thotypous: i somehow could care less / hardly believe you
[08:43] <Asako> I hate the xine interface
[08:43] <thotypous> in my computer xine is much more fast than mplayer
[08:43] <thotypous> faster*
[08:44] <mjr> Asako, yeah, that's why it's nice to have totem-xine
[08:44] <asubedi> is there any special utility to install fonts?
[08:44] <Quest-Master> http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html#gxine
[08:44] <Quest-Master> Does anyone know where those three files for GXine are located?
[08:44] <mjr> asubedi, user-spesific fonts can be installed from the font preferences
[08:44] <farruinn> defunkt, generally if you should install stuff via apt if you can.  apt-cache search ttf will give you a list of tons of fonts
[08:44] <thotypous> the faster video player i've found is vlc
[08:44] <farruinn> but go to fonts:/// in nautilus and you should be able to drag and drop
[08:45] <mjr> (ie. by accessing the fonts folder, fonts:///, and dragging stuff in)
[08:45] <defunkt> ok, ty farruinn
[08:45] <farruinn> may have to gksudo nautilus --no-desktop
[08:45] <farruinn> not sure
[08:45] <asubedi> mjr: thanks!
[08:45] <MicroDan> what's the default root password in ubuntu?
[08:45] <Asako> I like mplayer without the gui
[08:45] <mjr> MicroDan, there is none
[08:46] <farruinn> ubhuti: rootsudo
[08:46] <ubhuti> By default root is disabled in Ubuntu.  Instead use sudo.  If you haven't already, read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo.
[08:46] <GotD0t> where did the bot come from?
[08:46] <Gwildor> what happened to bonobo bot?
[08:47] <farruinn> I never knew of bonobo bot, but I incarnated ubhuti because we get so many people with the same questions in here
[08:47] <Gwildor> dats what bonobo did
[08:47] <farruinn> I thought it might be useful
[08:47] <Gwildor> he was only around about a week though
[08:47] <Gwildor> farruinn, it is :)
[08:48] <farruinn> he's not very smart right now, but feel free to teach him some stuff if you think it'd be useful
[08:48] <MicroDan> what password do I type in to sudo?
[08:48] <defunkt> your root pass
[08:48] <farruinn> your user pass
[08:48] <Gwildor> user pass
[08:48] <GotD0t> MicroDan: your password for the user your created
[08:48] <tritium> acroread sure looks awful with that default white background
[08:48] <GotD0t> farruinn: what would be more useful would be an autonomous bot
[08:48] <Einzelganger> will there be a supported/main rss-reader in hoary, or do you focus on firefox ?
[08:48] <MicroDan> how is that secure at all?
[08:48] <farruinn> GotD0t: autonomous?
[08:48] <GotD0t> MicroDan: you can add other users and not let them have sudo access
[08:49] <farruinn> ubhuti: root
[08:49] <ubhuti> If you really must have a root user, run sudo passwd root.  See http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[08:49] <tritium> Isn't the acroread .deb package the same one used by debian?
[08:49] <tritium> (the background is gray in Debian)
[08:49] <GotD0t> farruinn: like pick up on questions and answer them, instead of you telling it something
[08:50] <farruinn> GotD0t: ok, that's what I thought you meant.  It's supposed to do that, but I haven't found it to yet
[08:50] <GotD0t> farruinn: hmm
[08:50] <GotD0t> root
[08:51] <tritium> I guess I could just create a .Xresources file, and specify Acroread.background.
[08:51] <GotD0t> hmm, i see what you mean farr
[08:51] <GotD0t> err, farruinn
[08:51] <Tsjoklat> Einzelganger: straw Blam! liferea
[08:51] <tritium> But I didn't have to do that in Debian.
[08:51] <tritium> Anyone know the difference?
[08:52] <jeffreyb> Can anyony here tell me if Lin4Win 5 will run on Warty?
[08:52] <Einzelganger> Tsjoklat, didn't know about blam!, but is there any indication that any of them will be "promoted" from multi/uni-verse to main in hoary ?
[08:53] <Quest-Master> What package do I need to get to load MPlayer with a GUI?
[08:53] <Tsjoklat> Einzelganger no, no idea.. but straw is gnomebased (not that fab), liferea is gtk and Blam! is mono based
[08:53] <Tsjoklat> but no, have no clue if or which they will plug
[08:53] <Quest-Master> Anyone? :x
[08:53] <Einzelganger> Quest-Master, all but mplayer-nogui, just start gmplayer
[08:55] <Quest-Master> Ok guys.
[08:56] <Quest-Master> Having a problem.
[08:56] <mirak> hi
[08:56] <Quest-Master> I'm opening up an AVI in Mplayer
[08:56] <Quest-Master> And it works perfectly
[08:56] <mirak> I have a problem with accents in openoffice
[08:56] <Quest-Master> The sound and video are coming out just fine
[08:56] <Quest-Master> However
[08:56] <mirak> anyone know how to use the good charsets ?
[08:56] <Quest-Master> An error box pops up every second then exits out, and then another one comes up
[08:56] <Quest-Master> And it's an endless stream of popups returning this error
[08:57] <Quest-Master> alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: No such file or directory
[08:57] <Quest-Master> However, gxine does not return this error
[08:59] <Solatis> hey there... anyone knows where i can configure gnome to 'raster' my windows to the outer borders ? (i hope you guys understand what i mean ;))
[08:59] <Rotund> you mean to not have borders?
[09:00] <Rotund> the like 5 pixel borders?
[09:00] <Rotund> it's a window-manager theme thing
[09:01] <jdub> Solatis: hold shift while moving windows
[09:02] <mjr> jdub, whoa, I didn't know about that :)
[09:03] <Solatis> jdub: thank you, thank you very much ;)
[09:03] <defunkt> is there a way to format a drive in ubuntu to ntfs?
[09:03] <RuffianSoldier> hey daniels
[09:03] <mjr> defunkt, in the ntfstools package
[09:03] <mjr> (universe)
[09:04] <Asako> ok, k3b just refuses to work
[09:04] <Asako> it always says it can't find a burner
[09:05] <farruinn> linux doesn't support full r/w to ntfs does it?
[09:05] <Ribs> No
[09:05] <Ribs> It can write to files if the file exists, and has the same size at beginning and end of the write
[09:05] <Ribs> Which is pretty pointless, imo.
[09:05] <RuffianSoldier> FreeBSD?
[09:05] <tritium> How do I redefine XtDefaultBackground (default Acroread:background in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults)
[09:06] <defunkt> hey ribs can you help me out in a pm?
[09:06] <Asako> if I boot into 2.6.7 then cdrecord doesn't work
[09:06] <tritium> Asako, that's a known bug with the kernel.
[09:06] <Quest-Master> How can I upgrade my kernel to i686?
[09:06] <Asako> I know
[09:07] <Asako> how do I upgrade the kernel package?
[09:07] <lizdeika> ubuntu-devs: are you planning to include reiser4 in near/far future in daily hoary iso builds ?
[09:07] <sladen> Asako: apt-get install linux-image
[09:07] <sladen> Quest-Master: apt-get install linux-image
[09:07] <Asako> it's already installed
[09:07] <Asako> the package in warty has the bug
[09:08] <Quest-Master> I thought it was something else sladen
[09:08] <sladen> Asako: apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image
[09:08] <tritium> Asako, how did you get kernel version 2.6.7?  When I installed Warty, 2.6.8 was the default.
[09:08] <Ribs> defunkt: Ask in the channel, that's what it's here fore.
[09:08] <Ribs> -e
[09:08] <Asako> I used apt-get
[09:08] <defunkt> well
[09:08] <defunkt> i am going to go back to windows
[09:08] <restrex> ?
[09:08] <defunkt> too much stuff that won't work in linux
[09:08] <restrex> !
[09:08] <tritium> I didn't know there was a 2.6.7 kernel package for ubuntu
[09:09] <Asako> it's in universe
[09:09] <tritium> So you downgraded from 2.6.8?
[09:09] <sladen> defunkt: if you tell us what you're finding isn't working, we'd love to try and fix/help you
[09:09] <Asako> yes, I downgraded
[09:09] <defunkt> i don' t think you can
[09:09] <tritium> Why?
[09:09] <Asako> in order to make the burner work
[09:09] <tritium> The bug is in 2.6.7, not 2.6.8
[09:09] <defunkt> my best friend is a linux god and can't get it working
[09:09] <Asako> it's in .8 as well
[09:10] <Asako> the page I found said roll back to 2.6.7
[09:10] <sladen> Asako: you probably have a newer-version (from when you upgraded to Hoary) than is in warty.  You can select the exact version with  =<IP_ADDRESS>  when you do apt-get install
[09:10] <tritium> Does Xorg handly Xresources the same way?
[09:10] <tritium> handle, that is
[09:10] <Asako> I haven't upgraded to hoary
[09:10] <sladen> defunkt: you still haven't mentioned what you think the problem is...
[09:10] <defunkt> well
[09:10] <sladen> Asako: I thought you said you downgraded.  What did you downgrade from, and to?
[09:11] <lizdeika> Asako, gnome burner does not work ?
[09:11] <Asako> all I did was install kernel-image-2.6.7
[09:11] <defunkt> 1.)  can't get sound working in quake3.  asked like 30 times and no one has been able to help.  sounds lame, but my clan finished #2 at quakecon this past year and i am really into it.
[09:11] <Asako> since 2.6.8 isn't working right
[09:11] <defunkt> 2.)  some of the tools i use for web design just won't work well in linux
[09:11] <Quest-Master> I'm having a lot of problems too defunkt
[09:11] <farruinn> defunkt: what do you use for web design?
[09:11] <defunkt> if you guys can help get my sound and those tools working, it would be great
[09:11] <Quest-Master> I've been going back to Windows lately.. but I'm not giving up just yet
[09:12] <tritium> This is strange.  Xorg won't work with my .Xresources file
[09:12] <defunkt> well photoshop, flash, dreamweaver, etc.
[09:12] <sladen> Asako: I think 2.6.8 was found to have the odd issue---it came from upsteam (kernel.org and had issues there)
[09:12] <Quest-Master> I hope I can get all of these problems fixed before Windows takes over me again
[09:12] <Asako> yes
[09:12] <Asako> that's why I installed 2.6.7
[09:12] <defunkt> refuse to use gimp
[09:12] <Quest-Master> Same here.
[09:12] <sladen> defunkt: 1st.  Can you get any other program to play sound?
[09:12] <Quest-Master> I tried to open Photoshop with CrossOver
[09:12] <Asako> but when I boot 2.6.7 cdrecord can't detect my burner
[09:12] <defunkt> photoshop even on the new cxoffice is buggy as hell
[09:12] <defunkt> yes
[09:12] <defunkt> it's just q3
[09:12] <Quest-Master> But it won't accept my serial number no matter what
[09:13] <tritium> Xorg apparently doesn't know color names
[09:13] <Asako> maybe I'll just go back to 2.4 kernel
[09:13] <tritium> I can't specify background colors in .Xresources with Xord
[09:13] <Quest-Master> Gah, so many problems
[09:13] <farruinn> defunkt: have you tried killing esd before playing the game?
[09:13] <linux_mafia> Quest-Master, i get that too, sound works, but serial, nah
[09:13] <Asako> it's stable, and it works
[09:13] <sladen> Quest-Master: _install_ Photoshop under Windows and try to run it under Wine/CrossOver and you may have more luck
[09:13] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[09:13] <Quest-Master> sladen: It didn't work
[09:13] <sladen> Quest-Master: gimp should open your Photoshop psp files
[09:13] <usual> is there a bug in hoary with openoffice and gtk themes?
[09:13] <Quest-Master> I know, but I just can't work with GIMP.
[09:14] <defunkt> farruinn: what do you mean
[09:14] <sladen> Quest-Master: can you describe /what/ didn't work in more detail?
[09:14] <Quest-Master> I've used Photoshop for years now
[09:14] <Asako> do I have to tell grub that hdc=ide-scsi ?
[09:14] <farruinn> go to a terminal and type killall esd
[09:14] <paradoxmo> asako, did you upgrade from debian or straight install?
[09:14] <Asako> straight install
[09:14] <Quest-Master> sladen: I try to run the already installed Photoshop in CXOffice
[09:14] <Quest-Master> sladen: And this is the error I get
[09:14] <sladen> Quest-Master: have you tried using  GIMP 2.0  the way it works is very different from 1.2
[09:14] <Quest-Master> I have
[09:14] <usual> Asako, you don't need thatwith a 2.6 kernel
[09:14] <farruinn> defunkt: that's the enlightened sound daemon, I've found it to interfere with some game audio
[09:14] <UrkeMMI> I build gimp 2.0.6 .deb's from source and now I wish to add this packages to my cache so I can upgrade gimp trough synaptic
[09:15] <UrkeMMI> how to do that?
[09:15] <defunkt> how would i go about killing it and when i leave the game will it work?
[09:15] <Asako> kernel-image-2.6.7-1-686 is what I installed
[09:15] <Asako> but then scsi stuff doesn't work
[09:15] <lizdeika> usual, just install openoffice.org-gtk-gnome
[09:15] <sladen> defunkt: what errors does Quake 3 give when you load it up?  Does it mention sound.
[09:15] <usual> k
[09:15] <farruinn> defunkt: at the terminal type killall esd
[09:15] <paradoxmo> asako, what do you mean scsi stuff doesn't work
[09:15] <sladen> defunkt: try running:   esddsp q3demo
[09:15] <farruinn> then when you are done with the game go to a terminal and type esd &
[09:15] <Asako> there's no /dev/sg0, or /dev/sr0
[09:15] <paradoxmo> do you have scsi, or just an atapi burner?
[09:15] <usual> Package openoffice.org-gtk-gnome is not available,
[09:15] <Asako> atapi burner
[09:15] <defunkt> ok frruinn i'll give it a shot
[09:15] <paradoxmo> you don't need scsi with 2.6
[09:16] <tritium> damn, DarkGray is clearly defined in /etc/X11/rgb.txt
[09:16] <paradoxmo> you need to specify the burner using the device name, instead
[09:16] <paradoxmo> like /dev/hdc
[09:16] <Asako> hmm
[09:16] <Asako> well, let me try rebooting again
[09:16] <UrkeMMI> I think that k3b not worh with 2.6.8+ kernels
[09:16] <tritium> why the heck can't I use that to specify background colors in .Xresources?
[09:16] <farruinn> UrkeMMI: why did you need to build the gimp 2.0.6?
[09:16] <defunkt> farruinn: nothing
[09:16] <lizdeika> usual, its in universe
[09:16] <usual> k
[09:16] <farruinn> try what sladen suggested
[09:16] <defunkt> sladen: command not found
[09:16] <UrkeMMI> I have source code of 2.0.5 and patch for 2.0.6
[09:17] <UrkeMMI> and on Ubuntu I get 2.0.2
[09:17] <UrkeMMI> so I wish upgrade
[09:17] <paradoxmo> urkemmi, you can install the debs directly, dpkg -i *.deb
[09:17] <Asako> brb
[09:17] <UrkeMMI> alos, I need Sylpjheed Claws Gtk2 cvs upgrades
[09:17] <defunkt> sladen: it mentions no errors
[09:17] <defunkt> about sound
[09:18] <sladen> defunkt: sudo apt-get install esound-clients
[09:18] <UrkeMMI> paradoxmo: and old 2.0.2 gimp will be uninstaled and instaled 2.0.6 automaticaly?
[09:18] <gangalino> how do you configure the soundcard, my system beeps but it says there's no soundcard (even though it shows up in the system configuration/device mgr. as a NeoMagic 2360 [MagicMedia 256ZX audio]
[09:18] <paradoxmo> urkemmi: yes
[09:18] <gangalino> I've already tried the noacpi options
[09:18] <UrkeMMI> thanx
[09:18] <UrkeMMI> I'll try now
[09:18] <sladen> defunkt: befor that can you do a quick  sudo ps aux | grep [e] sd  and check that the problem is ESD holding the sound device open
[09:18] <defunkt> sladen: still nothing
[09:19] <Quest-Master> sladen: Could not complete your reques because of missing or invalid personalization information.
[09:19] <paradoxmo> gangalino: did you check applications->multimedia->volume control and see that things aren't muted?
[09:19] <Quest-Master> That's the error I get.
[09:19] <gangalino> yes
[09:19] <defunkt> root      1199  0.0  0.0  1964  608 ?        Ss   15:24   0:00 /usr/bin/esd -ter minate -nobeeps -as 2 -spawnfd 18
[09:19] <defunkt> i am thinking it just doesn't have support for my card
[09:19] <gangalino> paradox: Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found
[09:20] <sladen> Quest-Master: okay, this is a CrossOver <-> Photoshop specific issue---can you follow it up there as they'll be more familiar with the topic (I own neither of those pieces of proprietary software)
[09:20] <paradoxmo> gangalino: was it a straight ubuntu install?
[09:20] <paradoxmo> (warty?)
[09:20] <Quest-Master> sladen: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=32638#post32638 <-- also having this HORRIBLE annoying problem
[09:20] <gangalino> warty yes
[09:20] <sladen> defunkt: esd is a program that shares the 1 sound card between the many programs that want to use the sound card at once
[09:21] <defunkt> ok
[09:21] <sladen> defunkt: most GNOME applications know how to talk to esd directly
[09:21] <gangalino> straight install? I have no cd-rom or floppy, so I had to install on another machine, then put the HD into my Dell Latitude CSx500
[09:21] <paradoxmo> gangalino, can you run sudo lspci at a terminal and tell us the line for your card?
[09:21] <paradoxmo> gangalino: ah, did the other machine not have a sound card?
[09:22] <defunkt> sladen: this is an onboard nvmax card
[09:22] <defunkt> that is why i am thinking maybe they don't know it
[09:22] <defunkt> err not nvmax hold on
[09:22] <sladen> defunkt: Quake3 doesn't.  Either you need to give it full control of the sound card by stopping esd (killall esd), or you need to teach Quake3 to use ESD by running it with  esddsp
[09:22] <defunkt> hrm
[09:22] <defunkt> ok well
[09:23] <UrkeMMI> paradoxmo: Now I have upgraded gimp to 2.0.6. Great! thanx for help
[09:23] <sladen> defunkt: esddsp  can be found in  esound-clients  which you can install with 'sudo apt-get install esound-clients'
[09:23] <Quest-Master> For web designers, that thread that points out the problem is a huge time-waster (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=32638#post32638)
[09:23] <Asako> yay, now it detects the writer
[09:23] <paradoxmo> asako: great! good luck.
[09:24] <paradoxmo> UrkeMMI: great!
[09:25] <UrkeMMI> and now extra question :)
[09:25] <UrkeMMI> how to make my local serever for deb's
[09:26] <UrkeMMI> and how to add local directory (/srv for example) to packages list
[09:26] <UrkeMMI> TIA
[09:26] <RuffianSoldier> How many people have screwed there whole system with a Hoary upgrade?
[09:27] <Asako> now to see if it will actually burn
[09:27] <farruinn> UrkeMMI: there's a great howto on the debian docs site, I'll see if I can find it
[09:27] <farruinn> I used it not that long ago
[09:27] <Quest-Master> My system got screwed without a Hoary Upgrade
[09:27] <Quest-Master> :)
[09:27] <UrkeMMI> give me only some keyword and I'll find it
[09:27] <UrkeMMI> :)
[09:29] <farruinn> UrkeMMI: http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html
[09:29] <RuffianSoldier> Quest-Master - werent you in #beatrix (Im the op)?  Anyway i upgraded to hoary with 0 problems :-D
[09:29] <UrkeMMI> farruinn: Thanks alot
[09:29] <UrkeMMI> or a lot :)
[09:29] <farruinn> np
[09:30] <mrsouza> alguem do brasil?
[09:31] <Quest-Master> RuffianSoldier: I was
[09:31] <Quest-Master> :(
[09:31] <paradoxmo> Quest-Master: what problems are you having?
[09:32] <RuffianSoldier> Quest-Master - ??  Come back lol
[09:32] <gangalino> parado0000:01:00.1 Multimedia audio controller: Neomagic Corporation NM2360 [MagicMedia 256ZX Audio] xmo: sorry, was busy for a minute. lspci reports:
[09:32] <gangalino> the other machine had a soundcard
[09:33] <paradoxmo> gangalino: can you check here: http://alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/ to see if your card is listed?
[09:34] <Asako> now it gets stuck sending the toc file
[09:35] <paradoxmo> asako, did you run k3bsetup2 and configure all the permissions? (use group plugdev)
[09:35] <gangalino> I wish I caught Asako's fix, my usb writer doesn't work either. It shows up somewhat in dmesg and /log/messages, but still doesn't mount
[09:35] <Quest-Master> paradoxmo: lots of problems.