[03:36] <daysnow> hola
[05:03] <da_kingpin> where are kwin application-specific settings stored?
[08:14] <IrcsomeBot1> Simon was added by: Simon
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:32] <JarSs> Hello Kubuntu folks. I have to unrelated issues:
[13:33] <JarSs> 1. default audio - I have a USB-amp connected to earphones, andI'd like to change that to the default. It seems to go back to HDMI-screen speakers (which are terrible) every time it goes to sleep, or when I start a new program that needs to use audio.
[13:34] <JarSs> 2. my fonts seem to be somewhat messed up. I use Emacs, but nothing is wrong with the options there, the fonts are rendered somewhat weird. I did play around with the fonts and I'm wondering if there's a way to download  a package of popular  fonts, maybe that's where the issue is
[13:34] <JarSs> thanks :)
[14:21] <joeybagodonuts> Greetings y'all!
[14:21] <BluesKaj> hi joeybagodonuts
[14:33] <Alabalistic> hi
[14:38] <BluesKaj> hi Alabalistic
[14:39] <Alabalistic> ho's the old year
[17:59] <jmzc> hello
[18:00] <jmzc> I've got installed kubuntu 18.04 and , from two weeks ago, it doesnt receive updates ( by apt )
[18:00] <jmzc> no error
[18:21] <Alabalistic> hi
[18:23] <Alabalistic> jmzc, Open Discover and bottom left click on sources
[18:24] <Alabalistic> check if the right one is selected, or try sudo apt-get update and see if there is some connection problem
[18:26] <jmzc> sudo apt-get update
[18:26] <jmzc> Obj:2 http://ppa.launchpad.net/audio-recorder/ppa/ubuntu bionic InRelease
[18:26] <jmzc> Obj:3 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu bionic InRelease
[18:26] <jmzc> Obj:4 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-security InRelease
[18:26] <jmzc> Obj:5 http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic InRelease
[18:26] <jmzc> Obj:6 http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates InRelease
[18:27] <jmzc> sorry
[18:27] <jmzc> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xg5ZfXd7yY/
[18:28] <OerHeks> jmzc, what if you change mirror to 'main'?
[18:28] <jmzc> I dont see any problem
[18:28] <OerHeks> maybe that mirror is days behind, some do close during hollidays
[18:28] <jmzc> ok ...i'll try it
[18:29] <OerHeks> sudo apt  update && sudo apt dist-upgrade # to get all hidden packages too
[18:33] <jmzc> but i dont want upgrade to 19.10 , yet
[18:42] <Alabalistic> to upgrade to 19.10 you need to do sudo do-relese-upgrade
[18:42] <Alabalistic> so no worry
[18:43] <OerHeks> A dist-upgrade will install new dependencies for packages already installed and may remove packages if they are no longer needed. This will not bring you to a new release of Ubuntu
[18:44] <OerHeks> the 'x not upgraded' part
[18:45] <OerHeks> and a recent kernel update, that needs a reboot, could hold up things too, iirc
[22:34] <Th4ntis> So, is there a way I can change my network interface names from 'enps03' to the 'eth0' and have them still work? When Iedit the grub command line it all seems to work but I don't get any connection from my ethernet port when I do.
 https://youtu.be/TOob2Afydks?t=21193
[23:10] <bprompt> Th4ntis:   https://www.shellhacks.com/change-network-interface-name-eth0-eth1-eth2/
[23:11] <Th4ntis> Thank you bprompt. I will try this


[07:55] <YamakasY> hi guys!
[07:55] <YamakasY> I'm having issues with preseed overwriting my interfaces file on 14.0.4
[07:56] <YamakasY> this seems to be known but with a copy and late command I cannot fix it
[10:45] <YamakasY> anyone alive here ?
[14:05] <YamakasY> anyone around yet ?
[20:20] <YamakasY> yo anyone around ?
[20:21] <YamakasY> I have problems with preseed overwriting my interfaces file


[02:59] <Leon_Nardella> Anyone working on the ex4 freezes in Jaunty? I'm using the latest mainline build from the kernel-ppa and it seems to be free of this bug.
[03:00]  * Leon_Nardella forgot to mention this is that bug that manifests under heavy IO
[10:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hi, could someone explain the difference between https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux and http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-image-generic (or http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux )
[10:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> the LP link indicates that hardy-security and hardy-updates share the same kernel versions, but p.u.c has them marked as different versions still
[11:50] <maxb> Kamping_Kaiser: In the LP link, you are looking at the "linux" source package. In the p.u.c link, you are looking at the "linux-meta" source package
[11:51] <maxb> Yes, it's a little confusing that the "linux" binary package is built by the "linux-meta" source package, not the "linux" source package
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> maxb, ah. so on LP i need to be looking at 'linux-meta' instead?
[11:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> I should probably move a bug report then, since it relates to the linux-meta packages not linux.
[11:53] <maxb> Well, that depends which package you're actually interested in :-)
[11:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> linux-image-386
[13:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> 350 bugs against linux-meta. criky. not sure moving the bug in there is going to help it
[13:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> How can I mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/342638 as affecting linux-meta not linux ?
[13:10] <ubot3> Malone bug 342638 in linux "linux-image-{generic,386} in -security uninstallable without -updates repository." [Undecided,New]
[14:01] <erle-> did anyone try to build kernel <IP_ADDRESS> with make-kpkg?
[14:25] <asac> is there a hackish way to force a different vendor/product id for a usb device (e.g. so i can test a driver with a new device without rebuilding the kernel)?
[14:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> hex editor + kernel module? hackish enough? ;)
[14:28] <asac> hehe
[14:28] <asac> good idea
[14:33] <asac> too bad ... cant find the id ;)
[14:33] <asac> is there anything i can look for in the module to find the right spot?
[14:34] <asac> its cdc_ether ;)
[14:34] <erle-> are the "mainline" kernels patched?
[14:34] <erle-> i thougt that are vanilla kernels
[14:36] <asac> heh. i think i found it :)
[14:36] <asac> now i am scared ;)
[14:38] <anubhav> asac: why not just recompile the module with your vend id and prod id
[14:38] <asac> anubhav: hmm. whats the best way to just build a module?
[14:39] <anubhav> offcourse you will need sources
[14:39] <asac> i dont have a built tree here ;)
[14:39] <anubhav> you are building against the standard ubuntu kerenel?
[14:40] <asac> anubhav: i want to do that because i this thing also has some drivers that are not in mainline
[14:40] <asac> so yes
[14:40] <asac> i want to build a patched cdc_ether.ko
[14:40] <asac> against current jaunty
[14:42] <asac> darn ... now i cannot get the raw file from kernel.ubuntu.com ... gives me a 0 bytes download
[14:43] <asac> good now it worked
[14:44] <erle-> shouldn't a vanilla kernel build with a config of the ubuntu mainline kernel? (same kernel version!!)
[14:45] <asac> anubhav: so i have the patched module source ... what i can do now?
[14:46] <amitk> erle-: mainline kernels are stock linus' trees with the ubuntu config
[14:46] <erle-> amitk, i know
[14:46] <erle-> but it doesn't build here ...
[14:46] <erle-> Makefile:529: /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.29/arch/xen/Makefile: No such file or directory
[14:46] <erle-> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.29/arch/xen/Makefile'. Stop.
[14:46] <erle-> make: *** [conf.vars] Error 2
[14:46] <erle-> i have no idea, why
[14:46] <erle-> i don't care about xen
[14:47] <asac> amitk: do you have any clue? i need to just build a single kernel module file i have here
[14:47] <amitk> asac: cdc-ether is compiled in?
[14:47]  * amitk checking
[14:48] <asac> amitk: its a module ... i need to build it with more device ids
[14:48] <amitk> aah
[14:48] <asac> amitk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/144184/
[14:49] <amitk> asac: yes, it can be done AFAIK. Just looking for the right /sys file to put that info in
[14:49] <asac> the other idea was to use hexedit ;)
[14:49] <asac> my first hope was that i can force a different vendor/product id on that device somehow
[14:49] <asac> just to test
[14:50] <amitk> asac: /sys/module/cdc_ether/drivers/usb:cdc_ether/new_id
[14:50] <erle-> now i use the sourcecode from the mainline thing and the config from the mainline thing and it still does not build ...
[14:51] <asac> amitk: what can i do with that?
[14:51] <amitk> asac: still looking for the exact incantation
[14:51] <erle-> does nobody have an idea?
[14:51] <amitk> erle-: it doesn't always build and it is too early on a weekend for me to know why :)
[14:52] <erle-> it says he cannot build xen or something
[14:52] <erle-> but there is no xen in the source code which actually should have been built
[14:53] <erle-> do you use make-kpkg to build?
[14:53] <erle-> maybe it is the tool failing
[14:58] <asac> ok so its a colon separated list
[14:58] <asac> amitk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/144189/
[14:59] <asac> thats what i found on google :)
[14:59] <asac> now i have to find the values for everything  before vendor
[15:00] <erle-> it build now
[15:00] <erle-> but i had to mod the configuration manually ...
[15:01] <asac> hmm ... not sure if its the same for usb though
[15:02] <amitk> asac: do a 'modinfo cdc-ether'
[15:02] <amitk> the format of the alias strings might work
[15:02] <asac> looking
[15:02] <amitk> it is a concatenated string
[15:02] <amitk> v=vendor, p=productid, etc.
[15:04] <asac> echo 'usb:v413cp8147d*dc*dsc*dp*ic02isc0Aip00*' > /sys/module/cdc_ether/drivers/usb\:cdc_ether/new_id
[15:05] <asac> bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument
[15:07] <asac> echo "0 0 ffffffff ffffffff 413c 8147" > /sys/module/cdc_ether/drivers/usb\:cdc_ether/new_id
[15:07] <asac> amitk: that didnt complain
[15:07] <asac> ;)
[15:08] <amitk> asac: New PCI IDs may be added to a device driver pci_ids table at runtime
[15:08] <amitk> as shown below:
[15:08] <amitk> echo "vendor device subvendor subdevice class class_mask driver_data" > \
[15:08] <amitk> /sys/bus/pci/drivers/{driver}/new_id
[15:08] <amitk> All fields are passed in as hexadecimal values (no leading 0x).
[15:08] <amitk> The vendor and device fields are mandatory, the others are optional. Users
[15:08] <amitk> need pass only as many optional fields as necessary: o subvendor and subdevice fields default to PCI_ANY_ID (FFFFFFFF) o class and classmask fields default to 0 o driver_data defaults to 0UL.
[15:08] <amitk> Note that driver_data must match the value used by any of the pci_device_id
[15:08] <amitk> entries defined in the driver. This makes the driver_data field mandatory
[15:08] <amitk> if all the pci_device_id entries have a non-zero driver_data value.
[15:08] <amitk> asac: so usb should be the same
[15:10] <asac> amitk: yeah ... but it didnt really do anything
[15:10] <asac> but i dont know what to expect
[15:10] <asac> i hoped that it showed up in hal ;
[15:11] <anubhavrocks> asac: but the string you echo'd is diffrent from what amitk said
[15:11] <asac> yaeh
[15:12] <anubhavrocks> you mean to say PCI and USB have diffrent conventions?
[15:12] <asac> echo "413c 8147" > /sys/module/cdc_ether/drivers/usb\:cdc_ether/new_id
[15:13] <asac> amitk: would you think that that triggers udev events automatically?
[15:15] <anubhavrocks> asac: i think this should work
[15:15] <amitk> asac: it should, if the driver can actually bind to that particular device
[15:16] <asac> i am quite sure it would work as its the same device just rebranded for dell
[15:16] <amitk> http://jk.ufisa.uninett.no/usb/
[15:16] <amitk> asac: ^
[15:19] <asac> hmm ... unplugging is difficult for me ;)
[15:21] <asac> ok trying udev rule
[15:25] <asac> any idea what zaurus driver does?
[15:27] <asac> ok rebooting
[15:33] <asac> no change
[15:34] <asac> not sure whz zaurus is always loaded
[15:35] <anubhavrocks> blacklist the driver if you don't want it to load
[15:36] <asac> i did that
[15:38] <anubhavrocks> your problem is that when you insert your device the zaurus module loads instead of cdc_ether?
[15:39] <asac> not sure. could be ... i think my problem is that just the device/vendor id is not enough
[15:39] <asac> wait a sec
[15:39] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/144215/
[15:39] <anubhavrocks> checkk the output of lsusb and make sure you enter the correct Vid Pid
[15:39] <asac> i think i also need to tell new_id that its USB_CDC_SUBCLASS_MDLM,
[15:40] <asac> anubhavrocks: well. those are correct ;)
[15:40] <asac> i get complain about invalid mdlm descriptors in dmesg
[15:40] <asac> so i think thats really the problem
[15:42] <asac> 16:08 < amitk> echo "vendor device subvendor subdevice class class_mask driver_data" > \
[15:42] <asac> how could i encode a subclass there?
[15:45] <anubhavrocks> asac: lsusb -v
[15:45] <asac> so back to square oone ... how can i just build this bloody .c file ;)
[15:45] <asac> anubhavrocks: the ids are right :2)
[15:45] <asac> wait a sec
[15:45] <anubhavrocks> to get the subclass etc
[15:45] <asac> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 413c:8147 Dell Computer Corp.
[15:45] <asac> ah
[15:45] <asac> ok
[15:46] <asac> anubhavrocks: well. the problem is that i dont kinow how to encude subclass in the echo above ;)
[15:47] <asac> anubhavrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/144220/
[15:49] <asac> isnt there a bloody gcc command to make a .ko out of .c ?
[15:51] <asac> ok so i guess i will go for hexedit option
[15:53] <asac>  that worked!!
[15:54]  * asac dances!!
[15:54] <asac> amitk: thanks :) ... hexeidt was the right thing i needed
[15:54] <asac> [ 1541.258987] usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1d.7-6, CDC Ethernet Device, 02:80:37:ec:02:00
[15:55]  * asac back to modemmanager hacking ;)
[21:09] <pjwaffle> hi this is a little off topic but it is for kernel purposes... how do you create a apt repo? I need to know so I can setup a repository for testing git version of kernel


[18:51] <light> anyone home?
[18:51] <light> I got an error while installing java from the application installer, ubuntu then told me I had an update for java, how can I tell if its running correctly?
[18:51] <light> the broken package icon disapeard when I did the update


[01:41] <jonrafkind> is it possible to delete source packages uploaded to launchpad in my ppa?
[01:42] <jonrafkind> i uploaded a package that failed, so i rebuilt the package and tried to reupload it but I got a rejection message because I cant upload the same file twice
[01:43] <wgrant> jonrafkind: You can delete them, but it won't let you upload the same version again. That wouldn't make sense.
[01:43] <wgrant> jonrafkind: You need to increment the version.
[01:43] <jonrafkind> so i need to update all the version numbers in control/changelog as well?
[01:44] <wgrant> jonrafkind: It should only be in the changelog.
[01:44] <wgrant> If you have the version elsewhere, you probably have another problem.
[01:44] <jonrafkind> oh ok, what is this: Standards-Version:
[01:44] <jonrafkind> i wasnt sure what it was, i just copied it into my file
[01:44] <wgrant> That specifies the version of Debian Policy with which your package complies. It's not your package's version.
[01:44] <jonrafkind> ok, can I safely delete it?
[01:45] <wgrant> jonrafkind: No.
[01:45] <jonrafkind> what should I set it to?
[01:45] <wgrant> jonrafkind: You should set it properly, though.
[01:45] <wgrant> Normally the latest version of Debian Policy, if your package complies with it.
[01:46] <jonrafkind> which is..?
[01:46] <jonrafkind> i dont think I use 'debian policy', i dont even know what that is
[01:46] <jonrafkind> oh sorry you said 'complies' not 'compiles', haha
[01:47] <wgrant> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ -- the latest version is <IP_ADDRESS>.
[01:48] <jonrafkind> so if I leave out this field (Standards-Version) will I get a rejection email from launchpad?
[01:49] <wgrant> jonrafkind: No, but you should always have it.
[01:49] <jonrafkind> i dont want to lie and say i comply with something when I have no idea if I comply with it
[01:49] <wgrant> Your package should comply with some version of policy.
[01:50] <jonrafkind> im making a package for my ppa
[01:50] <jonrafkind> i dont really care at this point if i comply with some debian policy
[01:50] <wgrant> If you don't comply then you are likely to break people's systems.
[01:50] <wgrant> It's not that hard to check compliance.
[01:50] <jonrafkind> i dont comply because of copyright issues
[01:50] <jonrafkind> (probably)
[01:51] <wgrant> What do you mean?
[01:51] <jonrafkind> i have a game, i have copyrighted art in it
[01:51] <jonrafkind> that i dont have the copyrights to
[01:51] <wgrant> The PPA Terms of Service forbid you from uploading that.
[01:51] <wgrant> It's not distributable.
[01:52] <jonrafkind> alright fine, ill just upload the source then
[01:53] <wgrant> It's not an "alright fine" sort of thing. It's a "that's not legal and could get people in lots of trouble" thing.
[01:53] <jonrafkind> fine alright
[04:01] <mrooney1> hello! I was just wondering for PPAs if there is a way to say that not all members of a team can upload, for example only administrators?
[04:19] <exarkun> Why can't I branch from launchpad faster than about 80kB/sec?
[04:50] <ub3rst4r> hi does anyone if there is a way to find out the overall total of downloads for ur project?
[04:52] <micahg> ub3rst4r: bug 431011
[04:54] <ub3rst4r> shouldnt that be a blueprint?
[04:55] <ub3rst4r> any idea when this is getting implemented?
[04:56] <micahg> ub3rst4r: when it's ready to be worked on it might be added to one
[04:56] <lifeless> we don't really use blueprints
[04:56] <lifeless> even if we did, we wouldn't do/not do something just because it was/wasn't a blueprint.
[04:56] <wgrant> mrooney1: At the moment you can add uploaders in addition to the owner, but you can't remove the owning team's privileges.
[04:57] <ub3rst4r> kthx
[04:58] <lifeless> wgrant: theres another 50 or so revs coming across to prod on monday,
[04:58] <lifeless> wgrant: up through 11609
[04:58] <wgrant> lifeless: We're 10 days behind on QA?
[04:59] <lifeless> yes
[04:59] <wgrant> (I have a regression fix branch that will probably need CPing soon)
[04:59] <lifeless> 11610 isn't qa'd.
[04:59] <wgrant> Ah.
[05:00] <lifeless> -> airport.
[05:40] <mrooney1> wgrant: ah okay, thanks. I have an open users team for my app and thought that team was a good place for a PPA, until someone pointed out that anyone can upload then and it isn't very secure
[05:41] <mrooney1> is there a good way to move a PPA? I guess if I delete it apt will complain and hopefully the people using it will visit the team page and see a notice I could put up
[05:44] <wgrant> mrooney1: You can't move it, no.
[05:44] <wgrant> Anyone using that PPA probably can't trust their system any more, though.
[05:46] <mrooney1> well, I can see that no one has uploaded anything but me
[05:46] <wgrant> Ah, good.
[05:47] <mrooney1> it was just someone pointing it out
[05:47] <mrooney1> I wonder if it would be worth a warning in LP though, I had not at all put it together than an open team + PPA = anyone can upload, until it was pointed out
[05:47] <wgrant> I think there's a bug for that.
[05:47] <mrooney1> ah ok
[08:55] <paissad> i uploaded a package for lucid, i copied the binaries (from my launchpad account) from Lucid to Maverick ... but i just would like to know if it's still necessary to copy binaries for Karmic or even Jaunty ?
[08:56] <paissad> i think that most people upgraded their version of release .. no ?
[08:56] <wgrant> paissad: Nothing is "necessary" -- do what you want. If you have users on Jaunty or Karmic, copy to them too.
[08:56] <wgrant> But most people should be running Lucid or later, so I wouldn't bother.
[08:57] <paissad> in any case, they just can pick from Lucid or Maverick, that would work too
[12:04] <shadeslayer> hi, my bug watch is failing to sync bug statuses and comments, OOPS-1731CCW9145 and OOPS-1734CCW440
[12:04] <shadeslayer> wrt bug 647332
[19:56] <serfus> is launchpad itself translatable?
[19:58] <james_w> serfus: no, it's not
[19:59] <serfus> james_w, hum, that's a shame... thanks anyway :)


[18:09] <Shadow}}> I couldn't get past creating my certificates for a VPN... I mean I created them then the term lines just confused me and I never figured it out.
[18:09] <msdaisy> !openvpn
[18:10] <Shadow}}> Actually, In retrospect I believe the lines were faulty. With breaks I noticed the other day pasting broke lines in succession worked just fine, But didn''t when I tried on Xubuntu 13.04
[18:10] <jabbott> I'm trying to have multiple desktops and monitor 1 shows workspace X and monitor 2 shows workspace Y.   XMonad isn't working properly.  Have any other suggestions?
[18:11] <Shadow}}> Oh well, Looks like I'm off to reboot and see if Flash runs any quicker. Hmm..Need to save that update line from MavKen before I go.
[18:11] <MavKen> you usin chromium?
[18:12] <MavKen> remember to use sudo with it
[18:12] <rAnDoM-gUy> I used instructions and bundled certificates for vpn book :) really easy to do.
[18:12] <Shadow}}> Yup. I fanything I use sudo when I'm not supposed to really. Hah
[18:12] <rAnDoM-gUy> Stop doing that! lol
[18:13] <rAnDoM-gUy> Messes up permissions I found out the hard way.
[18:13] <MavKen> Shadow}}, I did some of these when I installed xubuntu on my laptop - http://www.binarytides.com/better-xubuntu-14-04/
[18:13] <Shadow}}> No.! I believe, If I mess up its my fault and just redo the OS. Not like I have anything important on here.
[18:13] <rAnDoM-gUy> Ahh okay ^_^
[18:14] <MavKen> I reinstall ubuntu/xubuntu every 3 weeks or so because i play around and its easier than trying to undo
[18:14] <Shadow}}> Ooo. I was going to judge the entire thing based off if it included Synapse or not. It did, So I'll bookmark it. Thanks MavKen
[18:15] <MavKen> np
[18:15] <Shadow}}> Also, The only problem I've ran into with bleeding edge Synapse is if you leave the CPU on for vasts amounts of time it stops functioning and cannot be executed by a mere click.
[18:16] <Shadow}}> By execute I actually meant kill.
[18:17] <Shadow}}> Hmm... Is it "sudo service network-manager restart" or networking-manager?
[18:18] <Zachary_DuBois> For anyone needing IPTables for an L2TP over IPSec, I found them myself. Here is a copy: http://hastebin.com/ugavanobes.txt
[18:18] <rAnDoM-gUy> I thought it was sudo service restart /blah/blah
[18:18] <zykotick9> Shadow}}: try "sudo service net<TAB>" and see if it autocompletes
[18:19] <Shadow}}> One of the two I just said worked fine, Though It wasn't what I wanted I don't believe.
[18:19] <Shadow}}> I'm wanting the equilvilant of in windows cmd "IPconfig /release > Ipconfig /renew"
[18:19] <TJ-> Shadow}}: "sudo ifdown ethX && sudo ifup ethX"
[18:20] <Shadow}}> That releases and renews the IP?
[18:21] <TJ-> Shadow}}: If the interface ethX is using DHCP yes
[18:21] <Shadow}}> My ISP is about as safe as... My own computers. In fact they told me the other month "If you have a hacker problem you can't get rid of them" >_>
[18:21] <Shadow}}> It is. Thank you very much
[18:21] <TJ-> Shadow}}: when a DHCP interface comes up "dhclient ethX" is executed which handles the DHCP transaction
[18:22] <Shadow}}> Least I'm 90% sure it is, Its auto done by my ISP. In a very poor manner and only once every 24 hours.
[18:22] <mykrob76> afternoon. Any of you able to assist with a Lenovo Yoga 2 11? Installed 14.04 yesterday, and everything works fine except screen brightness control
[18:22] <TJ-> Shadow}}: If however the interface is managed by Network Manager, the command I gave you won't work.
[18:23] <Shadow}}> Its Eth0, Direct to a router direct to the modem provided by the ISP.
[18:24] <Shadow}}> Is there a way to check whats ..eh...controlling it?
[18:24] <Shadow}}> *managing
[18:24] <TJ-> Shadow}}: In that case you'd need to use the GUI NM-applet *or* do "nmcli con down id 'Connection Name' && nmcli con up 'Connection Name' "
[18:25] <TJ-> Shadow}}: The rule generally is, if "/etc/network/interfaces" has an entry for the interface ("iface ethX ...") then Network Manager will, by default, leave it alone
[18:25] <mykrob76> is there a way in Ubuntu to make the unity dash appear by swiping from outside the touchscreen like in Windows 8?
[18:26] <Shadow}}> Hmm... So sounds to me like I'll have to change up some stuff to renew my Ip.
[18:26] <TJ-> Shadow}}: For Nework Manager you can check which connections it has simply with "nmcli con list"
[18:26] <Beldar> mykrob76, I doubt it.
[18:26] <Shadow}}> Ahh, nmcli stands for networkmanager client?
[18:27] <mykrob76> Beldar: oh ,well... Got a small screen, just trying to save real estate. Suppose I can leave the dock on screen but make it smaller.'
[18:27] <Shadow}}> Hm. Well it popped up my connection I'm using so take that as it IS network manager managed?
[18:28] <Beldar> mykrob76, Is this using touch or a mouse?
[18:28] <mykrob76> Beldar, using touch. It's a lenovo yoga. Works fine with the touchpad, just looking at ways to actualy make this touchscreen useful
[18:29] <Shadow}}> Reminds me. While I'm here do any of you know an alternative to BleachBit?
[18:29] <Shadow}}> That work on this latest Xubuntu.
[18:29] <Beldar> mykrob76, Ah, I would be careful just trying to make either OS similar or expect them to be is all.
[18:31] <Shadow}}> Yes, No? BleachBit hasn't worked properly since I went to 14.04
[18:31] <Shadow}}> Hmm... Is there a bleeding edge BleachBit? >:D Sounds like a good way to redo my OS and cuss myself alot for doing it despite many warnings.
[18:31] <Senpos> Hi. Who use Spotify on Linux?
[18:32] <Beldar> Senpos, we don't support polling here, if you have an actual issue state that.
[18:33] <Shadow}}> Alwel. Another day, Bye all thank you for the helps.
[18:33] <Senpos> OK, sorry. After playing new track on Spotify my xfce-notify shows only Song Name and Album. Is it possible to show artist there?
[18:34] <js_doode> I'm still running ubuntu 10.04 (yes, I know I need to upgrade), but was wondering how I would go about placing a program like Sublime Text on the start menu. Any Ubuntu gurus, much obliged.
[18:35] <Beldar> js_doode, Not supported
[18:36] <js_doode> Beldar: so, in my case, I'll just have to start it from terminal, until I upgrade then huh.
[18:36] <Beldar> Senpos, spotify is a third party technically not supported is all.
[18:37] <Beldar> js_doode, Just technically not supported here, and you would have to do a a eol specific upgrade, at this point your desktop is not getting upgrades from the ubuntu repos.
[18:38] <js_doode> Beldar: Ah. I see. Thank you.
[18:41] <Shadow}}> Heya MavKen, You there?
[18:41] <js_doode> anyone know where I can see people sharing their ubuntu or linux rigs? Photos. thanks
[18:42] <MavKen> yes
[18:42] <MavKen> knee deep in netbeans... whats up?
[18:42] <Shadow}}> That line failed to open some lock, Asked if I'm root. Anyway to open term as root or something else to bypass the problem?
[18:42] <Shadow}}> Or just sign in as root?
[18:42] <zykotick9> js_doode: sidenote (sorta offtopic), but, if you wanna live in the past, debian squeeze is the first debian LTS and is still supported <- it's what Lucid 10.04 was based off of...  just fyi
[18:43] <Code|Teal> So, I am going to give ubuntu a try on my machine at work and wondering if anyone has experience with a multi monitor setup
[18:43] <TJ-> Code|Teal: Yes
[18:43] <Code|Teal> figure that it is not going to work properly on install
[18:44] <Code|Teal> and figure that it is potentially going to be a nightmare lol
[18:44] <patrick-> when are the pc games going to be working on linux?
[18:45] <Code|Teal> patrick-, there are a few that do already
[18:45] <patrick-> thats the main thing lacking on linux
[18:45] <Beldar> !topic | patrick-
[18:45] <TJ-> Code|Teal: I've got 3 Nvidia GPUs running 6 monitors on my laptop, with Nvidia proprietary driver. No problems.
[18:45] <Code|Teal> TJ-, that makes me feel much better lol
[18:45] <Code|Teal> I have a quad monitor setup right now and have tried a few distros with no real luck
[18:46] <js_doode> zykotick9: thanks. I'm looking to upgrade to trusty tahr, so i'm moving on. I just can't do it at this particular time. Partly, because I'm working on a project, and I guess laziness to backup :)
[18:46] <patrick-> i mean the real good ones like car racing games
[18:46] <patrick-> Code|Teal, had you heard of project torque or heat?
[18:46] <Shadow}}> Just like to point out its not a lack on linux part but on the world's part for selling out "PC" games.
[18:47] <Code|Teal> patrick-, not off hand
[18:47] <Beldar> patrick-, This is not support that is this channels topic.
[18:47] <Beldar> !ot | Code|Teal patrick-, use the correct channel please
[18:48] <Code|Teal> ?
[18:48] <js_doode> zykotick9: But I'm actaully looking to upgrade hardware at this point, which is why I asked where I can go see some latest ubuntu rigs. To get an idea.
[18:48] <Shadow}}> Can I repeat my question to MavKen? Nvm just said their name so...
[18:48] <TJ-> Code|Teal: I've got an external Quadro NVS420 here driving 4
[18:48] <Code|Teal> installing ubuntu is off topic in here?
[18:48] <Beldar> Code|Teal, random opinions on games is not support.
[18:49] <MavKen> Shadow}}, can you pm me?  not able to watch channel atm
[18:49] <Code|Teal> Beldar, yeah... a question was asked about when games were going to be able to run on linux and I said that some are...
[18:49] <Code|Teal> that is not opinion, that is fact
[18:49] <Code|Teal> but OK
[18:50] <Beldar> Code|Teal, Right which to begin with was not a support question, you mistakenly answered, this channel has specific rules, this is not an ego boxing match to prove your point. ;)
[18:51] <Code|Teal> ego boxing match?!
[18:51] <jaynext> M$ layoff ... may benefit Linux community ?
[18:51] <Beldar> !ot | jaynext
[18:52] <jaynext> k ... :)
[18:52] <jaynext> sorry for inconvenience :p
[18:53] <Beldar> jaynext, No inconvenience the topic is stated in the channel header clearly.
[18:53] <Code|Teal> Beldar, I am truly sorry that I answered what I thought was a question about games on ubuntu in the ubuntu support channel... not quite sure what you are talking about with an ego boxing match, but glad you think so lowly about the new people in here
[18:54] <Trudko> Hi guys I am updating the system and grup-pc configuration poped up I have two option to choose from one is /dev/sda 256060 MB SAMSUNG_SSD_PM851_mSATA_256GB) and /dev/sda9 (129436 MB'; /) not sure which one to pick
[18:54] <Trudko> btw this is dual boot installation with windows
[18:54] <Foxhoundz> when I I use the Ubuntu GUI to share a directory, is it using Samba conf to set up the share?
[18:54] <Beldar> Trudko, W8, this a uefi and are you using the mbr?
[18:55] <Foxhoundz> I need to make some changes to the shared directories but I don't see any entries for it in the smb.conf file
[18:55] <Foxhoundz> Since I'm tunneling to the PC through SSH, I can't use the GUI window to configure it
[18:56] <Trudko> Beldar: frankly not sure
[18:56] <Trudko> how can I find out?
[18:56] <Code|Teal> forgot, people like Beldar are the reason I dont use ubuntu, I will cancel my download and go elsewhere then
[18:56] <Code|Teal> sorry to bother everyone
[18:56] <Foxhoundz> Rage
[18:56] <Foxhoundz> Anyway, my question still stands :)
[18:57] <Beldar> Trudko, Easiest for me to know would be from a script run, are you on the ubuntu desktop?
[18:58] <Trudko> y
[18:58] <Beldar> !bootinfo | Trudko run a pastebin the script output.
[18:58] <Beldar> and*
[19:00] <Trudko> ok give me few minutes
[19:00] <Guest71325> someone italian?
[19:00] <daftykins> !it | Guest71325
[19:01] <Guest71325> thanks!
[19:01] <daftykins> prago? ;)
[19:02] <Guest71325> "prego" ;)
[19:02] <daftykins> thanks ^_^
[19:04] <Trudko> Beldar: www.pastie.org/9407602
[19:05] <walterbit> question about nvidia drivers. Can I install latest nvidia331 driver or update is only for newest graphic cards?
[19:05] <bekks> walterbit: Which model do you have exactly?
[19:06] <walterbit> bekks: GF119M [GeForce GT 520MX]
[19:07] <Beldar> Trudko, Kind of a messy install, you have a efi boot partition sda1 but standard installs of both MS and ubuntu and no use of the mbr. My guess is sda9 sda is the mbr and nothing is there right now.
[19:08] <BluBoyHD> ciao
[19:09] <kux> Hi all! Using unzip doesn't recognize spaces when I specify a variable in my script. Help?!
[19:09] <Trudko> Beldar: well this is dell latopt so there was preinstalled some stuff only thing I did was to split windows parition to make space for Ubuntu and swap parition
[19:09] <BluBoyHD> !lista
[19:09] <wheatthin> kux, use " "
[19:09] <Trudko> Beldar: so what would you recomend to do?
[19:10] <Beldar> Trudko, The W7 is your install?
[19:10] <walterbit> bekks: Just trying to use Crystalspace but it fails... I think it is for the graphic card issue
[19:10] <kux> for x in $(find . -name "*.zip"); do unzip $x -d ${x%????}; done
[19:11] <kux> but files like "this zip file.zip" are read as "this" "zip" "file.zip"
[19:12] <kux> help if you can :)
[19:12] <wheatthin> ' '
[19:12] <Trudko> Beldar: what do you mean by "MY" install ? (and it is W8 if that matter)
[19:13] <Trudko> if by MY you mean if I installed then no, It was preinstalled by Dell
[19:14] <Beldar> Trudko, Ah says W7 on the script, not sure what to do to be honest it is missing the standard efi boot stuff showing in the MS or ubuntu boot info. Other than a efi boot partition sda1 and it is a gpt HD.
[19:15] <bekks> walterbit: I never heard of Crystalspace - what is it?
[19:16] <Trudko> well right now everything is working so can I skip the whole process it is neccessery ? what I am actually doing is I have exported list of installed packages from another machine and now I have installed them using udo aptitude update && cat pkglist | xargs sudo aptitude install -y
[19:16] <walterbit> an open source game engine
[19:16] <Symphonym> How/where do I install adobe reader in Ubuntu 14.04?
[19:17] <Beldar> Trudko, Can't say myself to many outliers.
[19:18] <OerHeks> Symphonym, it is removed from the repos, so i guess not ? if you find a linux package, it must be old (2007)  http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=10&platform=Unix
[19:19] <Beldar> Symphonym, The original ubuntu version has been discontinued, there are pdf readers installed and the adobe was like version 9
[19:19] <Symphonym> OerHeks: Ah I see, well I get the error: "The document you are trying to load requires Adobe Reader 8 or higher"
[19:21] <Trudko> Beldar: well according to this http://askubuntu.com/questions/23418/what-do-i-select-for-grub-install-devices-after-an-update I should check /dev/sda
[19:21] <Trudko> and according to comment there should be option Don't install grub in next screen so lets try that
[19:22] <Beldar> Trudko, don;t do that you have nothing in sda now.
[19:22] <Beldar> Trudko, The link is for a msdos you have gpt.
[19:22] <jjsandles> I heard ubuntu is going bankrupt
[19:22] <Dragon64> Symphonym: you can still get a deb for version 9 on adobe.com That should be sufficient
[19:23] <Beldar> !ot | jjsandles
[19:23] <Symphonym> Dragon64: I tried doing that but I got some warning that the package is old/bad/corrupted, not taking chances :/
[19:23] <conner5_> Hey all I am having some terrrible trouble with permissions and my web app projects. I keep getting a permission denied error and I do not know how to fix it.
[19:24] <Dragon64> thats up to you, works great for me
[19:25] <walterbit> hey, they got their own channel! lets ask there
[19:26] <jjsandles> walterbit: You first
[19:28] <c0ffee> can anyone help with ibus and remapping keys ?
[19:33] <c0ffee> does modifying /usr/share/X11/xkb/keycodes/evdev have immediate effect or some update has to be run?
[19:35] <Caffeine> I'm installing 14.04 right now and I chose to encrypt... It's asking me for a "security key" which should be entered each time I reboot... Seeing the width of the boxes, I'm a little confused as to what is called a "security key" here. Is that the encryption key (in which case I usually create something quite long and complex, or is that the user password? or something else?
[19:35] <21WAARVHM> sup guys, a friend of mine just installed ubuntu 14.04 but his avm usb wlan stick isn't working. it can't find any wlan networks, but he can find the device itself via "lsusb". any ideas how to get it working?
[19:36] <RainMan28> Guys, I installed a package which listens on certain ports (8080,8443,etc). After installing and confirming the package is running, when I do netstat -ln I don't see those ports active and being listened to...what is my next step to check?
[19:36] <Jeffrey_f> Caffeine: Password, or more accurately, PASS PHRASE to unlock the encrypted disk.  Difficult but memorable so you don't forget it
[19:37] <own> RainMan28: sudo lsof -i :port          maybe?
[19:38] <RainMan28> own: tried sudo lsof -i :8443 and just get zero output
[19:38] <litropy> how do I unmount an encrypted home folder from an external drive?
[19:39] <bekks> litropy: you cant as long as the user is logged in.
[19:39] <litropy> bekks, Ah. So a complete logout is my only option?
[19:42] <bekks> litropy: Correct.
[19:42] <RainMan28> Guys, I installed a package which listens on certain ports (8080,8443,etc). After installing and confirming the package is running, when I do netstat -ln I don't see those ports active and being listened to...what is my next step to check?
[19:42] <litropy> thx, bekks
[19:42] <bekks> RainMan28: Check the configuration and the logs of that package.
[19:43] <RainMan28> bekks: ok, how could I go about doing that? I am new to linux
[19:47] <walterbit> bekks: So for my 2 yeard old graphic card did i need to update driver form nvidia?
[19:50] <forevertheuni> Hi. I have an app that stopped working as user but it's ok as root. What's the best way to debug this?
[19:51] <OerHeks> forevertheuni, by starting: what app, and what ubuntu version ?
[19:52] <bekks> walterbit: Which driver version do you use currently?
[19:52] <k1l_> forevertheuni: as a guess: see if the folders and files in /home belong to your user
[19:53] <walterbit> bekks: 304 and in synaptic package manager I see 331
[19:53] <bekks> walterbit: You do not need to upgrade then.
[19:54] <walterbit> bekks: Really? 331 is newer and is not installed at now
[19:55] <walterbit> maybe it makes work my card
[19:55] <bekks> walterbit: And since 304 is working fine, you do not need to upgrade. You can, but there is no need to.
[19:55] <walterbit> ah ok, but is not working fine at all
[19:55] <bekks> walterbit: Can you elaborate on that please?
[19:56] <walterbit> bekks: well, as i told you i want to run a game engine, and fail because of the graohic card
[19:56] <bekks> walterbit: I am still waiting on exact messages :)
[19:57] <walterbit> bekks: the error is that it is not loading parallaxtest
[19:58] <walterbit> the little info about this on the web is that is an envidia graphic issue
[19:59] <walterbit> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=603267
[20:00] <javo> Hi the room
[20:01] <bekks> walterbit: There are other errors before, like the alsa thing.
[20:01] <javo> i'm looking for orientation. Not sure if this is the indicate place for that
[20:01] <walterbit> alsa works well in my computer
[20:01] <javo> Iḿ using 14.04
[20:02] <javo>  and after last installation of ubuntu base package, my device become crazy
[20:02] <javo> no network, nor graphic card identifying, no sound
[20:03] <javo> and dunno how restore it
[20:03] <SilentDis> Is there a guide to install Win7 alongside a *ubuntu install?  I haven't had windows on a computer for 10 years, and just got an at-home position that i'll need windows for.
[20:03] <c0ffee> why changes to /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/* do not affect keyboard layouts, should I run some command to update system after changes?
[20:03] <bekks> walterbit: The error messages states that the also plugin cannot be loaded, and as a dependency of that, the software renderer for the sound subsystem couldnt be loaded. Thats not a nvidia issue really :)
[20:03] <bekks> !dualboot | SilentDis
[20:05] <SilentDis> bekks: thank you. would it be, in your expirience, just 'easier' to backup /dev/sda1 with rsync, repartition the drive off boot medium ahead, install windows to first partition, then install ubuntu back on /dev/sda2?
[20:05] <walterbit> bekks: sorry, my problem is exactly that one http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-games-ubuntu/2013-November/005963.html
[20:05] <walterbit> the other link is similar error but just other sorry
[20:07] <OerHeks> SilentDis, we recomment installing win7 first ... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Windows
[20:07] <Joseph_> Gens , from the ubuntu server , anyway to access the browser in command line ? because internet is not working , basically from gui if we open we need to enter user name and password . but I don’t know how to enter user name and password  ..any one advise or any other way to get the internet access
[20:07] <TJ-> walterbit: have you run walktest under gdb to capture a backtrace?
[20:07] <walterbit> TJ-: I dont know what gdb is
[20:08] <Lobster> is it normal for ubuntu to run java games faster or is my windows drivers messed up?
[20:08] <SilentDis> OerHeks: so, backup /dev/sda1, boot off liveUSB, partition /dev/sda to 2 30GiB partitions, install windows to the first, install ubuntu to /dev/sda2, restore install?
[20:08] <TJ-> Joseph_: "lynx" or "www-browser" aka "w3m" are command-line browsers
[20:08] <SilentDis> OerHeks: I should note, my home is /dev/sdb1, and has been for a long time.  ssd for the os and all :)
[20:08] <navandres11911_> Hi there. Can someone help me with a cron(very simple problem)?
[20:09] <TJ-> walterbit: 'gdb' is the GNU DeBugger
[20:09] <OerHeks> SilentDis, yes, sounds good. no need to backup sda1 i guess, if your home is sdbX
[20:09] <SilentDis> OerHeks: true, there's something out there to grab pack lists, right?
[20:10] <SilentDis> OerHeks: so after i get my installs done, I just run a pre-built package list install?  i remember seeing something about that, just never had a use for it till now lol
[20:10] <bekks> SilentDis: I'd rather backup the filesystem, rather than the device node - and for a full backup, I'd use tar.
[20:11] <bekks> walterbit: I dont think thats your problem. I guess you have another problem.
[20:11] <SilentDis> bekks: rsync, yes.  my /home is already backed up to external media for that.  plenty of space to backup /, if it's even necessary...  which, thinking about it, really isn't.
[20:12] <bekks> SilentDis: I'd use tar at that point.
[20:12] <TJ-> walterbit: I can reproduce the error here... hold on whilst I investigate
[20:12] <Joseph_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7826741/
[20:12] <Joseph_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7826741/
[20:12] <walterbit> ok thanks TJ-
[20:13] <javo> now i'm loading system from an external device with 13.04- but need to restore my system. Is there a way to do it without reinstall whole system?
[20:13] <Joseph_> any location to store the password ?
[20:13] <walterbit> bekks: yep i get the errors crystalspace.system:  Error setting directory ‘parallaxtest’! crystalspace.system:  Error initializing system!
[20:13] <OerHeks> SilentDis, see http://askubuntu.com/a/137991 (only for repository packages, not PPA )
[20:14] <bekks> walterbit: And you get additional errors, before, regarding the sound system.
[20:14] <SilentDis> bekks: I think OerHeks has a bit better 'solution' for me.  /home is off on another drive.  *ubuntu and windows 7 get spots on an SSD.  just dumping my *ubuntu install won't really hurt after all, just have to note the PPAs I'm on, and restore those.
[20:14] <walterbit> bekks: i will see for the alsa thing
[20:14] <TJ-> bekks: walterbit No, the error is just the parallaxtest directory
[20:15] <TJ-> walterbit: is this what you see? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7826753/
[20:16] <walterbit> TJ-: nope exactly, i get this NOTIFY: World saving enabled. ATTENTION: default value of option force_s3tc_enable overridden by environment. crystalspace.system:  Error setting directory ‘parallaxtest’! crystalspace.system:  Error initializing system! Cleaning up...
[20:17] <SilentDis> OerHeks, bekks: what's rather funny about all this is it's kind of 'backwards' from the problem most people face.  I've not run Windows in almost 10 years; I don't wanna muck with something new when I already have something that works lmao
[20:18] <old> hey
[20:19] <javo> hello?
[20:19] <old> ye bro
[20:19] <walterbit> bekks: i remember to get alsa ok cuz one year ago i try it with sound applications. ardour or lmms i dont remember now
[20:19] <bekks> javo: 13.04 isnt supported anymore.
[20:19] <old> whats purpose of this?
[20:20] <javo> I know. my problem is with the 14.04
[20:20] <Joseph_> ant thought pls ?
[20:20] <javo> seems to be crashed after an ubuntu-base package installation
[20:21] <bekks> javo: So whats the actuall error you get with your 14.04?
[20:21] <old> is baktrak good ?
[20:21] <javo> not network, not raphic card, no sound
[20:21] <old> no man,works fine
[20:21] <bekks> old: We dont know, it isnt supported in here.
[20:21] <TJ-> walterbit: OK, I see the fault. The file it is looking and its associated files have been moved from data/shader/... to data/old-shader/... and newer files are in data/shader/...
[20:22] <old> yo tj
[20:22] <old> wher u from
[20:22] <walterbit> so what i need to do, change the directory in any conf file, or copy and paste from old directory to new?
[20:23] <OerHeks> old,  yeah, backtrack is good... only not supported here ... oh, it is discontinued, EOL
[20:23] <old> man im lovin this xchat
[20:23] <javo> bekks : It doesn't identfy my graphic card anymore, nor network access, nor sound is running
[20:24] <old> jevo u can use proprietary dvers ,no?
[20:24] <TJ-> walterbit: I'm not sure right now, I'm investigating the code
[20:24] <walterbit> ok thanks!
[20:25] <javo> I've been using
[20:25] <foggyb> hi guys
[20:25] <foggyb> i need help with AWS instance and VNC login
[20:26] <old> ok COD time
[20:26] <javo> that 14.04 without any problem, until that uubuntu-base actualization
[20:26] <foggyb> ive' got it mostly working, but the screen is totally grey
[20:26] <rungtung> What plugin do I need for tube type of sites? flash? i can play youtube but not other tube sites
[20:27] <foggyb> i followed this guide: http://gordoncluster.wordpress.com/2013/08/29/creating-an-ubuntu-machine-on-ec2-with-graphics-and-all/
[20:28] <yabbounic> im in synaptic checking the properties of libglu1-mesa, i need libGLU.so.1 32 bit packages, my system is 64 bit, do you know how i can get these ?
[20:31] <javo> Is there a way to uninstall that base-package and return to previous version?
[20:32] <bekks> javo: There is no way to downgrade Ubuntu.
[20:32] <javo> not dowgrade it, but restore a previous state in the same 14.04
[20:33] <javo> It was working fine
[20:34] <walterbit> TJ-: /etc/crystalspace-2.0 i found an archive here, dont understand it but i think is the configuration
[20:35] <javo> or how manually restore the network, set the graphic card, and the sound...
[20:38] <multimedia> hi
[20:38] <nyrelem> hi
[20:38] <javo> hi
[20:38] <nyrelem> how can I avoid ubuntu crash message after login?
[20:42] <D|nA> nyrelem, http://askubuntu.com/questions/93457/how-do-i-enable-or-disable-apport
[20:42] <TJ-> walterbit: The fault seems to be that some files are missing from one of the crystalspace packages, specifically the directory "usr/share/crystalspace-2.0/data/maps/parallaxtest/"
[20:43] <nyrelem> thanx, but if I disable apport, ubuntu will not be better in future)
[20:43] <nyrelem> what a root reason of message?
[20:44] <walterbit> TJ-: I see parallaxtest folder, but in data
[20:46] <TJ-> walterbit: which version of Ubuntu are you using? 14.04 has no package containing any "parallaxtest"
[20:47] <walterbit> 14.04 but i say i see in data parallaxtest folder in the crystalspace folder (crystalspace2.0/data
[20:49] <TJ-> walterbit: did you upgrade tha system from an earlier Ubuntu release?
[20:49] <walterbit> yes
[20:49] <TJ-> walterbit: I don't see any parallaxtest, what is the full path to that directory that you're referring to?
[20:50] <TJ-> walterbit: It sounds as if what you're seeing is a left-over from a previous release
[20:50] <walterbit> wait i tell you now...
[20:51] <Joseph_> Gens , from the ubuntu server , anyway to access the browser in command line ? because internet is not working , basically from gui if we open we need to enter user name and password . but I don’t know how to enter user name and password  ..any one advise or any other way to get the internet access
[20:51] <Joseph_> i try many option
[20:51] <Joseph_> not happen
[20:51] <Joseph_> pls hel
[20:51] <rww> w3m
[20:52] <walterbit> now i got it. i see the folder parallaxtest but in the downloaded package. installed package got less things
[20:52] <eeee> Joseph_: or elinks
[20:52] <daftykins> Joseph_: you don't need a browser to resolve networking.
[20:52] <eeee> if that's what you're asking ?
[20:52] <rww> daftykins: you do if you're using crapternet with a login page
[20:52] <Joseph_> need to enter user name and passworrd
[20:52] <Joseph_> what is the other option?
[20:54] <TJ-> walterbit: The parallaxtest files were in Lucid 10.04 but were removed before 12.04 Precise.
[20:55] <smecin> hi guys
[20:55] <smecin> yay
[20:56] <smecin> We have AstaraOS 22 now ubuntu
[20:56] <smecin> you got that right ubuntu
[20:57] <smecin> [smecin-0x71@localhost ~]$ uname -a
[20:57] <smecin> Linux localhost.localdomain 3.16.0-0.rc5.git1.1.fc22.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Jul 16 18:49:10 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:57] <smecin> [smecin-0x71@localhost ~]$
[20:57] <OerHeks> smecin, good. do you have a support Q?
[20:57] <smecin> nope i am canonical team lead
[20:57] <smecin> where are you team
[20:58] <smecin> save the source code
[20:58] <smecin> keep the binary only
[20:58] <smecin> is blender <IP_ADDRESS>.rpm already publish guys
[20:58] <smecin> publish it they need it
[20:59] <OerHeks> !ot | smecin don't troll please
[20:59] <k1l_> smecin: please keep this channel clear for technical ubuntu support. thanks
[20:59] <rungtung> is a listview scrollable?
[21:00] <fakr> hi, what was the tool to paste to pastebin from the terminal?
[21:00] <Slart> fakr: pastebinit?
[21:00] <k1l_> !pastebinit | fakr
[21:00] <smecin> wait isn't ubuntu now use rpm
[21:00] <teward> fakr, pastebinit.  see that factoid that ubottu just spit out
[21:00] <Slart> fakr: there are a couple of others as well..
[21:00] <smecin> not apt right
[21:00] <walterbit> TJ-: i copy from the downloaded file to the usr/crystalspace2.0/data/maps the parallaxtest folder and now run with other errors, but first error was solved :D
[21:01] <wizzkidd> hi all, i'm running ubuntu server 14.04, just performed a distribution upgrade from 13.10 and the networking has stopped working.  Could anyone provide me any pointers (my interfaces was previously setup to bond (team) 2 nics together), ive made no changes to the interfaces file, yet the networking no longer works.)
[21:02] <Guest11869> Has the Ubuntu Manifesto been superseded by commercial interests?
[21:03] <TJ-> walterbit: see bug #1249676
[21:03] <rww> Guest11869: #ubuntu-offtopic for non-support discussion, please
[21:03] <Guest11869> Thanks.
[21:05] <Joseph_> how do we fix the network issues
[21:05] <Joseph_> 'in server ?
[21:07] <walterbit> well tomorrow i still looking for get it to work ok. TJ- thanks, now i get it partially fixed ;)
[21:07] <walterbit> its time to slip
[21:08] <TJ-> walterbit: I think I've found a solution for you
[21:08] <walterbit> yep
[21:09] <TJ-> walterbit: there's a git repository containing that code as part of the full CS, at https://github.com/crystalspace/CS
[21:09] <tortib> Hello everyone.  Can someone help me diagnose this issue with snmp?  I installed the snmp-mibs-downloader and now I'm getting these errors when running snmpwalk http://paste.ubuntu.com/7826950/
[21:09] <TJ-> walterbit: You could clone that repository to your home directory, then create a symbolic-link to the parallaxtest directory
[21:10] <walterbit> good idea! but i have copied it right now in usr/crystalsp.../data/maps
[21:11] <walterbit> and the error have gone ;) but the application is not running, this is what i going to investigate tomorrow
[21:11] <TJ-> walterbit: The scripts also look in ~/parallaxtest/ if the system directory doesn't exist, which avoids having to mess with system package locations
[21:12] <walterbit> TJ-: downloading the package from your link
[21:15] <TJ-> walterbit: That does work... and then I'm seeing lots of "invalid buffer destination" when doing "walktest -verbose"
[21:16] <walterbit> uff
[21:16] <walterbit> i going to use -verbose more times :)
[21:17] <TJ-> walterbit: That is solved with "sudo apt-get install crystalspace-glshader-cg" but then it causes "walktest: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/crystalspace-2.0/glshader_cg.so: undefined symbol: cgCreateContext"
[21:21] <Nordom> hello
[21:22] <Nordom> I am building a linux machine, and I was wonder if using a Server mobo vs a normal Mobo would make any difference?
[21:30] <tortib> Can someone help me with SNMP?  I'm trying to get my interface statistics for cacti with SNMP but it isn't returning any data. :(
[21:32] <wheatthin> Nordom, depends on what you're using it for.
[21:32] <FunnyMouse> Ladies and gentlemen
[21:32] <wheatthin> Nordom, I'm in a dual quad xeon server.. it's doing fine as an every day machine
[21:32] <FunnyMouse> I come here today
[21:32] <FunnyMouse> To curse you motherfuckers
[21:32] <wheatthin> FunnyMouse, please leave.
[21:32] <Nordom> Wheatthin, I plan on turn it into a gaming linux machine utilizing VT-D, and using xen VM
[21:32] <FunnyMouse> I TRIED TO SWITCH MY NICK INTO THIS CHANNEL NAME
[21:32] <FunnyMouse> BUT YOU SHIT MOTHER FUCKERS
[21:32] <FunnyMouse> TOOK IT
[21:33] <Nordom> wheatthin, http://www.overclock.net/t/1205216/guide-create-a-gaming-virtual-machine is my inspiration
[21:33] <php> is funnymouse banned yet
[21:33] <eeee> yeah
[21:33] <php> good
[21:34] <wheatthin> gaming virtually isn't worth it. You can create a dedicated server and then do it that way, but vm 3d graphics isn't going to be as smooth as you think
[21:34] <wheatthin> Nordom, it won't fully utilize your gaming graphics cards drivers that way.
[21:35] <Nordom> wheatthin, not by using xen and having a vt-d capable motherboard?
[21:35] <wheatthin> nope.
[21:36] <Nordom> wheatthin, why is that?
[21:37] <wheatthin> It's just simple fact that virtual graphics drivers aren't equivalent to dedicated host gaming drivers.
[21:37] <TJ-> wheatthin: It *isn't* virtual when it uses VT-d
[21:38] <TJ-> The guest has full access to the PCI I/O register mappings, that's the point of VT-d
[21:38] <Nordom> wheatthing are you familiar with VT-D technology?
[21:38] <TJ-> sorry, I meant it isn't 'virtualised' as in, the graphics device isn't emulated
[21:40] <TJ-> Nordom: Xen with VT-d passthrough is great for a HVM domU
[21:40] <Nordom> TJ-, HVM domU?
[21:41] <doherty> When I log in, unity doesn't start up. I get the wallpaper, and usually a cursor I can move around and right-click on the wallpaper. But the dash and the menu are missing. Can't open it with the meta key. Can't open a terminal with CTRL-ALT-T. What do?
[21:42] <TJ-> Nordom: HVM=Hardware Virtual Machine (in contrast to a Para-Virtualised VM), and domU == domain User a.k.a Guest VM (as opposed to dom0 domain (ring) 0 host hypervisor
[21:42] <Nordom> doherty, is this a unity3d question or a ubuntu question?
[21:43] <Nordom> TJ-, Thank you for the clarificaiton. This is what I want to do
[21:43] <doherty> Nordom: Dunno. I generally expect ubuntu to be able to start a graphical session properly. It could this morning. Now it can't. *shrug*
[21:43] <mkdmz> tes
[21:43] <TJ-> doherty: At a terminal I believe you can do "unity --reset" or similar
[21:44] <mkdmz> I just intalled gimp, inkscape and mypaint.  They won't run.  I get this error: error while loading shared libraries: libgomp.so.1
[21:44] <doherty> TJ-: `unity --reset` is deprecated and appears to do nothing.
[21:45] <TJ-> doherty: Ahhh, for 14.04 you'll need "unity-tweak-tool --reset-unity" which may required "sudo apt-get install unity-tweak-tool"
[21:45] <Nordom> TJ-, I played with Ubuntu on my gaming machine, but I wasn't VT-d capable. So I was force to do boot... This Mobo is actually ding as my 16 gigs of ram are drop to 1333mhz and I can only access 12 gigs of them and my usb3 ports dont work anymore.... (I swapped ram and didnt help, wifes machine is same mobo works fine, this one is done) So anyways I been chopping at the bit for some time to making a gaming capible VM linux machine
[21:45] <doherty> I'm not sure how to get any insight into what unity is doing/failing to do
[21:45] <b100s> hi2all
[21:45] <doherty> TJ-: I'll give it a shot
[21:45] <b100s> does exist any lightweight xlsx viewer for ubuntu?
[21:46] <Nordom> TJ-, Forced to duel boot*, and this mobo is dieing*... Sorry I should have proof read
[21:46] <kostkon> doherty, http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/how-to-reset-compiz-and-unity-in-ubuntu.html
[21:47] <mkdmz> I just intalled gimp, inkscape and mypaint.  They won't run.  I get this error: error while loading shared libraries: libgomp.so.1
[21:48] <anomaly_> I am using ssmtp for sending mail.  according to /var/log/mail.log I have a few dozen spam messages being sent out through one of my wordpress.org sites.  I shut it down, deleted the directory (after gzip'ng the dir for backup), restarted apache but I still see messages going out.  what am I missing to track down how this is happening?  is there a way to see what ssmtp is sending?
[21:49] <mkdmz> Anyone know what package contains libgomp.so ?
[21:50] <TJ-> mkdmz: "dpkg -S libgomp.so" or if the package isn't installed "apt-file search libgomp.so"
[21:50] <Loshki> anomaly_: start with "egrep -i ssmtp /var/log/syslog" and see what it says...
[21:51] <rww> mkdmz: gcc-4.4 or gcc-4.6, depending on your ubuntu version. Ultimately, you're probably looking for the build-essential package
[21:51] <Loshki> mkdmz: apt-cache search libgomp
[21:52] <anomaly_> Loshki: it is telling me the same thing mail.log is.  Jul 20 16:41:58 system sSMTP[9001]: Sent mail for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(221 OK) uid=0 username=user outbytes=538
[21:56] <vadi2> Where can I find the interface to configure/work with the radeon open-source driver?
[21:58] <omerraja> h
[21:58] <doherty> OK, so running `unity-tweak-tool --reset-unity` gets unity sort-of running. There's no clock in the menu bar, or the drop down to log out, for example. And it never seems to end execution, so that seems like it isn't going to /actually/ fix anything unless I'm OK with running that from a VT every time in order to get a crippled unity interface -___-
[22:00] <Loshki> anomaly_: you could replace /usr/bin/sendmail with a script that makes a copy of all outbound mail. Actually, I'd be more concerned one of your apache servers is compromised & generating spam...
[22:02] <anomaly_> Loshki when I removed the directory containing the wordpress site, I have not seen a spam message yet with tail -f /var/log/mail.log, so that is one positive.  do you have a recommendation for a howto on replacing as you mention, that is friendly to non programmers?  ha.
[22:04] <silverio> Hello everybody :)
[22:05] <javo> hi silverio todo bien?
[22:05] <silverio> Hi javo... nop
[22:05] <silverio> I have been googling for the whole day and trying to solve a problem but... I couldn't
[22:05] <silverio> and you?
[22:13] <hans_> can i place a mint mate qustion
[22:14] <silverio> I don't know if somebody could help me with it. Just I donno why now I cannot run win8, when i try it, grub says that file/bootmgfe.efi/endEntire  error: cannot load image
[22:16] <javo> silverio: more or less the same. where at least suggested a couples of things and had the patience on explain me how to try them was in ubuntu uk. I suggest you try there
[22:16] <javo> #ubuntu-uk
[22:19] <ronkrt1> using a ubuntu install for a vps when i login via ssh as root i have username@domain: in the console, when i login with a user i created i get $
[22:19] <ronkrt1> what am i doing wrong for the user?
[22:20] <TJ-> silverio: Are you booted into Ubuntu right now?
[22:20] <silverio> Javo, no entiendo muy bien.
[22:20] <silverio> yes
[22:20] <silverio> I am in mint17
[22:20] <silverio> updated by repositories upgrade
[22:20] <silverio> from Mint16
[22:20] <TJ-> silverio: Mint isn't Ubuntu
[22:20] <silverio> You are right
[22:20] <silverio> I am sorry
[22:22] <jellf> hi all
[22:22] <TJ-> silverio: Your issue though, will be that you have a UEFI motherboard... and its boot-menu has lost/never had/corrupted its entry for Windows, *or* the Windows boot-loader files in the EFI System Partition (a FAT file-system usually 1st on the disk) has missing/corrupted Windows boot files. If your Linux OS has booted in UEFI mode you should have the EFI SP mounted at "/boot/efi/" and be able to explore that file-system to check if the Windows files look to be wha
[22:22] <TJ-> t a web-search shows you should be there
[22:24] <_zoggy_> hmm 14.04 has fail2ban v0.8.11
[22:24] <silverio> My original OS was Win8, but I installed Mint, it was in dual mode pretty good for long time, but a couple of week ago I detected that I caouldn't join Win8 anymore, it coincide with an update and a boot-repair ran.
[22:25] <silverio> I can join my files of Win8 from Mint
[22:25] <silverio> no problem of it
[22:25] <silverio> but I cannot run Win8 itself
[22:27] <Ben64> silverio: you should try the mint support channel or maybe ##windows can help you get windows to boot, but probably not mint
[22:28] <daftykins> !mint | silverio
[22:28] <Jeeves_Moss> how do I add sub interfaces to my server?
[22:28] <daftykins> Jeeves_Moss: care to explain what you mean?
[22:29] <Jeeves_Moss> daftykins, I need to add IPs on other subnets to the only adaptor in the box
[22:30] <daftykins> Jeeves_Moss: ah ok, so making it a multi-homed host
[22:31] <feitingen> Jeeves_Moss: sudo ip address add dev eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[22:31] <Jeeves_Moss> yes
[22:31] <feitingen> Jeeves_Moss: that will do it temporarily, to make it permanent, it depends on your distro
[22:32] <daftykins> (pro tip - we're in an ubuntu support channel, we only support ubuntu)
[22:36] <feitingen> Jeeves_Moss: here's how to do it on recent ubuntu/debian: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#iproute2_method
[22:36] <feitingen> daftykins: doesn't hurt to be nice ;)
[22:37] <daftykins> feitingen: sorry i forgot the smiley :)
[22:42] <feitingen> daftykins: no worries, i forgot which channel i was in :)
[22:44] <OerHeks> feitingen, Jeeves_Moss using that info from debian is wrong on ubuntu, as /etc/network/interfaces is controlled by networkmanager, use /etc/network/interfaces.d/eth to set those statics
[22:45] <mchavez> ???
[22:45] <feitingen> OerHeks: cool, didn't know that, when did that happen?
[22:46] <OerHeks> feitingen, not sure when this was introduced. 13.04 ?
[22:46] <rungtung> Add the following line to your ~/.bashrc file on Linux or to your ~/.bash_profile on Mac OS X:
[22:46] <rungtung> export PATH=${PATH}:$HOME/gsutil
[22:46] <feitingen> OerHeks: i'm still stuck managing a bunch of 12.04 and 10.04 :(
[22:47] <rungtung> there is no bashrc by default?
[22:48] <OerHeks> feitingen, from 12.4 as far as i can see http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man5/interfaces.5.html
[22:48] <reisio> rungtung: either there is or there isn't
[22:52] <TJ-> OerHeks: Network Manager isn't controlling "/etc/network/interfaces", that is provided by ifupdown.
[22:53] <OerHeks> TJ-, you are correct, sorry for this half-true info.
[22:55] <TJ-> OerHeks: I think I know what you were getting at :) ... runparts was introduced to provide "/etc/network/interfaces.d/" because of the proliferation of multi-interface systems making managing "interfaces" a pain... now other packages (and users) can add per-interface configuration files into the "interfaces.d/" directory without changing the base configuration, or any other runparts config
[22:57] <OerHeks> TJ-, did ubuntu introduce  /etc/apt/sources.list.d folder same time?
[23:00] <AmanMinhas> hey
[23:00] <TJ-> OerHeks: No, that's been around a lot longer I think... I recall when interfaces.d/ was introduced the scripts failed to call runparts on that directory. I was the one that fixed that bug after being caught out by it for about a day :)
[23:00] <AmanMinhas> help
[23:01] <OerHeks> TJ-, great, thanks for that :-)
[23:01] <OerHeks> now i am up2date
[23:01] <OerHeks> AmanMinhas, just ask your question
[23:02] <TJ-> OerHeks: I think the runparts apt/sources.list.d/ was introduced by Debian
[23:02] <TJ-> We just inherit them :)
[23:08] <xuboo> hello, I'm having trouble getting audio to work, I was wondering if anyone would try and help me get it fixed
[23:09] <silverio> mmmm nobody home there :) in any case, thank you everyone here
[23:10] <OerHeks> xuboo, have you tried this page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[23:16] <xuboo> hello, I'm having trouble getting audio to work, I was wondering if anyone would try and help me get it fixed
[23:16] <rungtung> How do I uninstall something I apt-get installed?
[23:16] <xuboo> try sudo apt-get remove programname
[23:16] <xuboo> *program_name
[23:17] <ronin> is it safe to 'rm .viminfo'
[23:18] <daftykins> rename it instead
[23:18] <daftykins> then you don't have to
[23:19] <silverio> Good night
[23:26] <Squasher> howdy world!


[03:28] <johnc4510-laptop> !schedule
[03:28] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[13:56]  * pitti waves hello
[13:56]  * tedg waves back
[13:57] <pedro_> hello all :-)
[13:57] <pitti> Padre! erm, Pedro!
[13:58]  * Hobbsee waves the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ™ around in greeting
[13:58] <Riddell> hi
[13:58] <pitti> Hobbsee: hey, take care where you wave this thing at
[13:58]  * pitti rubs his knee
[13:59]  * Hobbsee tickles pitti wiht it
[13:59] <Hobbsee> heh :)
[14:00]  * mvo waves
[14:01] <Keybuk> Good afternoon all
[14:03] <Keybuk> ok, that's everyone :-)
[14:03] <Keybuk> i've put the agenda together here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2008-02-07
[14:04] <Keybuk> did I miss any items in people's reports?
[14:04] <seb128> yeah
[14:04] <MacSlow> greetings
[14:04] <seb128> ups
[14:04] <seb128> hey
[14:05] <Keybuk> we have a few action points from the last meeting to run through
[14:05] <Keybuk> mvo: talk to Colin about using germinate to determine length of package support (3/5 years, 18 months)
[14:06] <mvo> I asked colin about it, but got no reply yet, I will ask again
[14:06] <Keybuk> ok, I will nag in my phone call with Colin after this meeting
[14:07] <mvo> if the rules are straightforward (i.e. server seed = 5y, desktop seed 3y, everything else in main 18m) then I can probably get this done myself
[14:07] <mvo> its just that I'm not sure if that is the official policy
[14:07] <pitti> e. g. what will we do about langpacks?
[14:07] <pitti> they are in main, but not in desktop, and it's not immediately clear how long we want to provide updates
[14:07] <pitti> 3 years, I guess
[14:07] <Keybuk> Canonical provides free maintenance for Ubuntu products as follows:
[14:07] <Keybuk>  * Ubuntu Desktop, Kubuntu Desktop, Ubuntu Server:
[14:07] <Keybuk>    Security updates and select bug fixes (18 months)
[14:07] <Keybuk>  * Ubuntu Desktop LTS:
[14:07] <Keybuk>    Security updates and select bug fixes (3 years)
[14:07] <Keybuk>  * Ubuntu Server LTS:
[14:07] <Keybuk>    Hardware compatibility updates (until next LTS)
[14:07] <Keybuk>    Security updates and select bug fixes (5 years)
[14:09] <Keybuk> pitti: a very interesting point, we have never considered langpacks in maintenance terms before
[14:09] <pitti> our practice is that we continue to upload dapper packs now, i. e. past the 18 months
[14:09] <pitti> since they are mostly relevant for desktops, 3 years seems appropriate to me
[14:10] <Keybuk> I've raised that with mdz and Steve George
[14:11] <Keybuk> mvo: mail u-devel@ about improving u-n to warn about universe packages with known security holes
[14:11] <pitti> that happened
[14:11] <pitti> not a lot of replies yet, though
[14:11]  * pitti promises to reply in the next days
[14:11]  * mvo sent it a bit late *cough*
[14:11] <Keybuk> ok, deleted from the list
[14:11] <Keybuk> seb128: talk to Scott for updating pppoeconf-gui spec status for the feature provided by gnome-system-tools
[14:11] <seb128> I didn't ;-)
[14:12] <seb128> Keybuk: g-s-t does pppoe configuration now
[14:12] <Keybuk> does that mean it can be considered implemented?
[14:12] <seb128> so should the spec be deprecated or implemented?
[14:12] <seb128> yes
[14:12] <pitti> Status: implemented-through-the-backdoor :)
[14:12] <Keybuk> I'd just say Implemented :-)
[14:12] <seb128> good
[14:12] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[14:13] <Keybuk> tedg: talk to Scott and Mark about screensaver-review; this is currently way too underdefined for getting it into hardy
[14:13] <tedg> I'm not sure that was captured quite right, I e-mailed the maintainer from Debian, and he didn't have any ideas for splitting things out.
[14:13] <tedg> It seems like "arbitrary" is the only way to split out screensavers.
[14:14] <tedg> (besides the obviously GL and non-GL)
[14:14] <Keybuk> I assume we want to split into "ones we like" and "ones we don't" ?
[14:15] <tedg> Yes, the "we" and "like" are the problem :)
[14:15] <kwwii> couldn't we split them according to what they show somehow?
[14:15] <MacSlow> everything that's not GL is for the bin
[14:15] <tedg> kwwii: What do you mean?
[14:15] <tedg> MacSlow: heh
[14:16] <MacSlow> I don't recall any non-GL screensaver to be worth keeping
[14:16] <kwwii> tedg: like, spinning, flipping, rotating things in one group
[14:16] <Keybuk> this clearly needs some more discussion
[14:16] <kwwii> zooming, panning, scrolling in another, etc.
[14:16] <Keybuk> tedg: can you start a thread on ubuntu-desktop to begin the discussion?
[14:16] <tedg> Keybuk: Yeah, I'll put a list in so people can comment inline.
[14:17] <Keybuk> that would be great
[14:17] <tedg> Funny how the stupid things are difficult. :)
[14:17] <Keybuk> ok
[14:17] <pitti> MacSlow: we still need to keep the 'just black' one for laptops on battery mode :)
[14:17] <Keybuk> Riddell: from your activity summary, you're still blocked on KDE 4 seed changes?
[14:18] <Riddell> Keybuk: yes
[14:18] <Keybuk> Riddell: ok, I'll raise that with Colin
[14:18] <Riddell> thanks
[14:18] <MacSlow> pitti, agreed
[14:18] <Keybuk> ok, first agenda item
[14:18] <Keybuk> mvo: dapper->hardy kernel upgrades. A lot of people will have 386 kernels installed on their system. I would propose to transition those to the -generic on dapper->hardy if "uname -m" returns i586 or i686.
[14:18] <pitti> MacSlow: and shouldn't we keep at least some for people who don't have GL working?
[14:18] <mvo> any comments on this?
[14:19] <Keybuk> mvo: did we install -386 by default on dapper, or did people get it by some other means?
[14:19] <tedg> pitti: We offer a "free visit from MacSlow to fix your computer" :)
[14:19] <pitti> lol
[14:19] <mvo> I'm not 100% sure what the mechanism was, but on a lot of machines I have seen -386 is installed. I think the default was picked by the installer
[14:19] <MacSlow> pitti, tedg: I would suggest the list-split like: "uses GL", "uses core rendering", "uses Xrender/cairo"
[14:20] <soren> mvo: You could yank out the logic from the installer and use that to determine which new kernel to install?
[14:20] <pitti> we don't build an -i386 flavor at all any more?
[14:21] <mvo> we still have -386, but it build uni processor for example
[14:21] <mvo> its a different -386 that we used to have in dapper, in dapper it was more what -generic is now
[14:21] <pitti> oh, we do
[14:21] <mvo> soren: right, that should work
[14:21] <Keybuk> there's -386, -generic, -rt, -server, -virtual
[14:21] <Keybuk> -386 being "crappy hardware" rather than default
[14:22] <mvo> in dapper there was -686 too, but that one is easy -> -generic
[14:22] <mvo> we also had -lowlatency in between, but that -generic now too
[14:22] <Keybuk> I'd blacklist for the update, not whitelist
[14:22] <Keybuk> ie. update for not i386 or i486 ?
[14:23] <mvo> the only concern I have is that going from -386 to -generic may break the crappy hardware
[14:23] <mvo> the whitelist idea sounds good too
[14:23] <soren> The installer already has the logic to determine the most suitable kernel for a given cpu. Why not use it? If it's good enough at isntall time, it should be good enough at upgrade time, shouldn't it?
[14:23] <mvo> popcon say we have 14354 systems with -386 and 380916 with -generic
[14:24] <Keybuk> that's an interesting point
[14:24] <Keybuk> is the logic complex?
[14:25] <mvo> I will check
[14:25] <soren> WEll...
[14:25] <soren> It's not *completely* straigtforward, but it's robust.
[14:25] <soren> and *quite* well tested :)
[14:25] <mvo> is this still true with the live-cd?
[14:25] <Keybuk> it seems that automatically migrating via some logic is a consensus
[14:25] <mvo> or does that copy the live-cd kernel?
[14:25] <Keybuk> mvo: live cd just uses -generic
[14:26] <Keybuk> (I think)
[14:26] <mvo> I think so too
[14:26] <soren> mvo: The logic in the installer takes two things into account:
[14:26] <soren> The set of kernels it has available, and what your CPU supports. If the installation in question only has the generic kernel, it'll obviously go with that.
[14:27] <pitti> yeah, we only ship one kernel nowadays
[14:27] <soren> I'm not sure which kernels are on the cd, but given their size and the struggle to minimize the iso's...
[14:27] <mvo> ok, I will check it out, thanks for the suggestions
[14:28] <pitti> soren: IIRC we have stopped shipping multiple kernels on CDs ages ago
[14:29] <soren> pitti: Sounds plausible :)
[14:29] <ogra_cmpc> edubuntu was the only exception until gutsy
[14:29] <pitti> soren: just confirmed by checking .manifest and .list
[14:30] <Keybuk> ok
[14:30] <Keybuk> FOSSCamp and UDS Sponsorship proposals
[14:31] <Keybuk> the deadline for all of these has passed, did everybody update the wiki pages?
[14:31]  * mvo did
[14:31] <pitti> mine were all stolen from Jorge :)
[14:31] <Riddell> where is the UDS wiki page?
[14:31] <Keybuk> https://wiki.canonical.com/UDS-Prague-Sponsorships
[14:31] <seb128> Keybuk: jorge put the GNOME guys name on the fosscamp list and I'm not sure if they should also be on the uds one
[14:31] <Keybuk> https://wiki.canonical.com/Fosscamp-Prague-Sponsorships
[14:32] <seb128> desrt, vuntz, gicmo that is
[14:32] <Keybuk> they seem to be logical UDS candidates to me
[14:32] <seb128> good
[14:33] <Keybuk> does anyone have any last-minute additions they want to make to either list?
[14:33] <kwwii> Keybuk: I would like to find some art-related people but i am not sure who atm
[14:33] <MacSlow> seb128, Keybuk: one of the core-devs behind clutter also sounds like a good idea to invite
[14:33] <mvo> Richard Hughes probably too
[14:33] <mvo> (if he is not on the list already)
[14:33] <Keybuk> MacSlow: do you have a proposal for which one?
[14:33] <Keybuk> mvo: FOSSCamp or UDS?
[14:33] <MacSlow> Keybuk, thinking about that for some days know
[14:34] <seb128> MacSlow: that's a wiki page, feel free to edit ;-)
[14:34] <mvo> Keybuk: fosscamp
[14:34] <Keybuk> mvo: add him to the wiki page
[14:34] <MacSlow> seb128, I know :)
[14:34] <Keybuk> mvo, MacSlow: compiz people for UDS too?
[14:34]  * mvo adds him
[14:35] <Keybuk> tedg: can you think of anyone to talk about session management with?
[14:35] <Keybuk> Riddell: are the KDE people on the UDS list now?
[14:35] <MacSlow> Keybuk, yes... I would suggest to try to ask David Reveman (Novell or not) for a change
[14:36] <kwwii> Cory K should be invited
[14:36] <Riddell> Keybuk: no, hang on
[14:36] <mvo> Keybuk: I added Travis there and I second the suggestion of MacSlow
[14:36] <Keybuk> MacSlow: -> wiki
[14:36] <Keybuk> kwwii: -> wiki
[14:37] <Keybuk> please get any changes done by 1600 UTC today (ie within the next 1h20)
[14:38] <kwwii> right
[14:38] <Keybuk> FOSSCamp team attendance
[14:38] <Keybuk> There's no requirement that staff members attend both FOSSCamp and UDS this year
[14:39] <Keybuk> who did not find it useful last year?
[14:40] <kwwii> I personally did not find it amazingly interesting
[14:40] <Keybuk> (this will probably largely depend on which sponsored people come to fosscamp, and which to UDS, of course)
[14:41] <pitti> if David Zeuthen and Lennart Poettering come to FossCamp, I'll be there, too
[14:41] <Keybuk> I guess from the silence, most people would still like to participate? :)
[14:41] <seb128> right, depends on who is coming
[14:41]  * mvo nods
[14:42] <pitti> last time wasn't terribly effective for me, but it was still enjoyable to be around
[14:42] <seb128> same for me
[14:42] <seb128> vuntz, desrt and gicmo were there during the uds too and we had enough time during the week to discuss
[14:43] <seb128> depends of the people who are coming only for fosscamp and not uds
[14:43]  * tedg wasn't there for FOSS Camp last year so can't really comment.
[14:43] <Keybuk> *nods*
[14:43]  * MacSlow thinks FOSSCamp was good... but not enough Xorg/graphics folks around
[14:43] <Mithrandir> I found it useful in a relationship-building way, which is a bit hard to quantify.
[14:44] <Keybuk> MacSlow: do you have specific people you'd like us to invite or sponsor --> wiki :-)
[14:44] <MacSlow> Keybuk, I'm just doing that right now
[14:44] <Mithrandir> meet up with people, have some random discussion on projects, pick up on clues on interesting projects, etc.
[14:44] <pitti> ^ me 2
[14:44] <Keybuk> *nods*
[14:45] <seb128> right, which depends on who is coming
[14:45] <seb128> so not easy to say now if that will be useful or not
[14:45] <Mithrandir> it also makes it so much easier to talk with people on IRC and email later, since they then know you a bit.
[14:46] <Keybuk> I'll chat to the leads about this in my call, and see if we can come to some kind of consensus
[14:47] <pitti> even talking to ourselves is well worth it IMHO :)
[14:47] <Keybuk> UDS sessions - likewise now is the time to think about things to talk about at UDS
[14:47] <Keybuk> this is obviously the things you'd like to tackle for 8.10
[14:48] <mvo> MacSlow: are you still editing the wiki or is the lock stale?
[14:48] <Keybuk> Riddell: for you, this should come from the whole of the Kubuntu community
[14:48] <Keybuk> kwwii: likewise, this should come from the whole of the Art community
[14:48] <MacSlow> mvo, yes... collecting corret email-addresses of people I added
[14:48] <Keybuk> I'd like a draft list by this meeting next week if possible
[14:50] <Keybuk> that'll allow us to make an early public announcement with possible topics
[14:50] <Keybuk> before we go into the detail of scheduling, etc.
[14:50] <pitti> Keybuk: i. e. you want to collect ideas from us what to break^Wdevelop in 8.10?
[14:50] <Keybuk> pitti: exactly
[14:51] <tedg> Do you want a list or blueprints?
[14:51] <Keybuk> tedg: just a list
[14:51] <Keybuk> sentence or paragraph per item, depending how wordy you want to be
[14:52] <Keybuk> UDS details I know:
[14:52] <tedg> Keybuk: How long is mpt on leave?  Will he have time before next week's meeting?
[14:52] <Keybuk>  * it will be in Prague
[14:52] <Keybuk>  * Mon 19th to Fri 23rd of May
[14:52] <Keybuk>  * FOSSCamp is at the same location on Friday 16th and Saturday 17th of May
[14:53] <Keybuk>  * Hotel conference area is a little bit larger than Boston
[14:53] <Keybuk>  * Sessions will be tracked again, and Desktop will have its own room
[14:53] <pitti> oh, Sunday is free this time?
[14:53] <Keybuk>  * Schedule will be fixed before the conference; there are 2-4 spare rooms for "break out" sessions that can be scheduled ad-hoc
[14:54] <Keybuk> pitti: yeah
[14:54] <pitti> tracked> ah, good; the scheduling was excellent last time, that should be kept
[14:55] <Keybuk> that's about the key details that I know
[14:55] <Keybuk> oh, there's a fitness centre on the 25th floor of the hotel with nice views -- and a pool
[14:56] <Keybuk> but the pool apparently has a "per person" charge to gain access to use, but does allegedly have a spectacular view over the city
[14:57] <pitti> that sounds great
[14:57] <Keybuk> ok, Any other Business
[14:58] <kwwii> Keybuk: can you get the OOo icons sorted?
[14:58] <Keybuk> kwwii: -v ?
[14:58] <kwwii> Keybuk: calc needs to find the time to put them in bzr
[14:58] <Keybuk> kwwii: I'll ask Colin
[14:58] <kwwii> great, thanks
[14:58] <pedro_> i have a quick one
[14:59] <Keybuk> pitti: I already have mpt's list ;)  mostly because he was in the office on Monday when I was
[14:59] <Keybuk> pedro_: shoot
[14:59] <pedro_> since brasero and transmission are part of the default release i just want to know who'll be the bug contact for that products
[14:59] <mvo> MacSlow: ok, please let me know why  you are done
[14:59] <seb128> pedro_: desktop bugs?
[14:59] <MacSlow> mvo, sure
[15:00] <seb128> pedro_: I think there is brasero upstream guys looking to launchpad but I'm not sure
[15:00] <mvo> MacSlow: eh, s/why/when/ of course :)
[15:00] <pedro_> seb128: ok, cool
[15:01] <seb128> quick one too
[15:01] <Keybuk> seb128: yup
[15:01] <seb128> does anybody has an opinion on dropping the add-to-panel ubuntu change?
[15:01] <Keybuk> seb128: what was our change?
[15:01] <seb128> that's not trivial code change and obviously upstream it not going to take it now
[15:02] <mvo> what does the upstream one look like?
[15:02] <seb128> Keybuk: upstream has a list and we have a canvas
[15:02] <mvo> one bit list with a single entry per applet?
[15:02] <seb128> yes
[15:02] <seb128> http://www.techotopia.com/images/d/df/Fedora_gnome_add_to_panel.jpg
[15:02] <pitti> Keybuk: "mpt's list"?
[15:02]  * Keybuk has no objection to either
[15:03] <mvo> hm, I think I like ours better, but then I don't want to maintain the fork :)
[15:03] <pitti> seb128: where does our sorting by category come from?
[15:03] <pitti> that seems to be much clearer
[15:03] <Keybuk> seb128: I guess formally we should ask mpt when he's back
[15:03] <pitti> i. e. do the applets provide the category on their own?
[15:03] <seb128> pitti: we patch applets .server to add categories
[15:03] <seb128> pitti: they don't upstream, we do add those for common ones but not for everything in the universe
[15:04] <kwwii> seb128: personally, I like the list better
[15:04] <kwwii> and it will look much better with the 2D icons :-)
[15:05] <seb128> one of the reason vuntz didn't want the change is that he things categories are confusing
[15:05] <seb128> he nevers know in which category to look
[15:05] <MacSlow> mvo, done
[15:05] <seb128> and I've to admit I quite often look to several categories to find something
[15:05] <mvo> MacSlow: thanks
[15:06] <seb128> Keybuk: ok, asking mpt seems to be a good idea, I'll do that
[15:06] <MacSlow> Keybuk, if you want to take a look -> https://wiki.canonical.com/Fosscamp-Prague-Sponsorships
[15:08] <Keybuk> ok, thanks all
[15:09] <pitti> thanks guys, rock on
[15:10] <mvo> thanks all
[15:10] <seb128> thanks
[15:11]  * MacSlow needs sleep
[15:11] <MacSlow> :/
[15:11] <pedro_> thanks
[15:53] <Rinchen> howdy howdy
[15:54] <boredandblogging> hello
[15:54] <Rinchen> Think we have 2 minutes before start time if the clocks are correct
[15:54] <Rinchen> @schedule now
[15:54] <Rinchen> @schedule
[15:54] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: Current meeting: Fridge Editors 13 Feb 22:30: Forum Council | 15 Feb 04:00: MOTU | 20 Feb 01:00: TriLoCo-Midwest
[15:55] <Rinchen> well
[15:55] <Rinchen> #startmeeting
[15:56] <Rinchen> and nothing happens :-)
[15:56] <boredandblogging> heh
[15:56] <Rinchen> that would be due to the absence of mootbot
[15:57] <Rinchen> Ok, the old fashion way then
[15:57] <Rinchen> Hello everyone. Welcome to the Fridge Editors IRC meeting.
[15:57] <Rinchen> Today's Agenda:
[15:57] <Rinchen> 1) Updating the ubuntu wiki (Rinchen)
[15:57] <Rinchen> 2) Rejuv plan (Rinchen)
[15:57] <Rinchen> 3) Common email submission between fridge and UWN (Rinchen, Corey)  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuNews
[15:57] <Rinchen> 4) Possible new theme (Corey)
[15:57] <Rinchen> 5) How can we write news that doesn't always regurgitate other websites? (nixternal)
[15:57] <Rinchen> First up, Roll Call!
[15:58] <Rinchen> me :-)
[15:58]  * boredandblogging waves
[15:58] <Rinchen> ping beuno
[15:58] <Rinchen> ping sladen
[15:59] <Rinchen> ping nixternal
[15:59] <Rinchen> well, this might be a short meeting boredandblogging
[15:59] <boredandblogging> lol
[15:59] <boredandblogging> awesome
[16:00] <Rinchen> I don't see Corey either....
[16:00] <Rinchen> there's mrevell
[16:00] <mrevell> Hi!
[16:00] <boredandblogging> hi mrevell
[16:00] <mrevell> hey boredandblogging
[16:01] <Rinchen> well, if you guys are ok with it, I'll wait 5 minutes to see if Corey, Martin, Vid, and others join
[16:01] <mrevell> yeah, np
[16:01] <boredandblogging> yeah
[16:03] <Rinchen> odd, we did get confirmation from a few folks that they would be here
[16:03] <Rinchen> well, while we wait, if any lurkers want to ask Fridge questions, feel free.
[16:03] <mrevell> Yeah, Corey and Rich said they'd be
[16:03] <mrevell> here
[16:05] <Rinchen> mrevell,  that link I sent you if for the original Fridge improvement doc.  There are some outdating items on it.
[16:05] <Rinchen> I was thinking of removing those and using that as the replacement for the improvement ideas on the wiki
[16:06]  * mrevell looking
[16:06]  * sladen looks around
[16:06] <Rinchen> this was the internal draft at using django which we decided against
[16:06] <Rinchen> and kept drupal
[16:06] <Rinchen> hi sladen - it looks like we're missing corey and a few others so I guess I'll call it... and say we'll cancel the meeting due to lack of attendance.
[16:07] <Rinchen> I'll continue the discussion on #ubuntu-fridge mrevell
[16:07] <Rinchen> Channel is free...
[16:07] <boredandblogging> ok