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 I have two noob questions to ask
 First of all, what does offline charging partial mean? (Xiaomi Mi A2)
 And secondly, how was the WiFi modem made to work? Was it reverse engineering
 [Edit] And secondly, how was the WiFi modem made to work? Was it reverse engineered?
 @crush_crush_crush [First of all, what does offline charging partial mean? (Xiaomi Mi A2)], it means the phone will try to boot when you try to charge it
 @crush_crush_crush [And secondly, how was the WiFi modem made to work? Was it reverse engineered?], by utilizing the existing vendor blobs rather than reverse engineering
 @Fuseteam [it means the phone will try to boot when you try to charge it], Ah, that's a minor inconvenience
 @Fuseteam [by utilizing the existing vendor blobs rather than reverse engineering], I see. That's a shame, but I should have expected that
[06:03] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> i think i half-fixed apt-get upgrade
[06:05] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> i installed xerial from libertine and used adduser _apt
 @Mertcan herolte [i installed xerial from libertine and used adduser _apt], um wait what?
[06:55] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> [Edit] i installed xerial from libertine and run: adduser _apt
[06:55] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> [Edit] i installed xerial from libertine and run: sudo adduser _apt
 @crush_crush_crush [I see. That's a shame, but I should have expected that], i mean reverse engineering is quite a resource intensive task so uh yeah
 @Fuseteam [i mean reverse engineering is quite a resource intensive task so uh yeah], Yes, but I can always dream :
 @Fuseteam [i mean reverse engineering is quite a resource intensive task so uh yeah], [Edit] Yes, but I can always dream :)
 pmOS, who are able to run mainline on a few devices to some extent STILL require qcom blobs
 even if you mainline the drivers, there's still firmware
 What's most cheapest well-supported device for running Ubuntu Touch ?
 A second hand Nexus 5 or Oneplus One.
 or Redmi note 7
 @libremax [or Redmi note 7], Does everything work already on that device? I know at lest 5 regressions in Halium 9/ Android 9 that need to be fixed still, mostly around LED, vibration, battery stats
 I know at least one guy used to N5 and VollaPhone who is happy with the Redmi note 7.
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 And "what works" in device description is pretty good: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/lavender/
 @Fuseteam [it means the phone will try to boot when you try to charge it], Violet has that problem too, no offline charging. Does it mean that i can't charge the phone when it's switched off?
 @sayanthtezro [Violet has that problem too, no offline charging. Does it mean that i can't char …], Btw i never tried it ( ubuntu touch) on my device
 @sayanthtezro [Btw i never tried it ( ubuntu touch) on my device], Then you are missing out!  😀
 Just watching videos doesn't give you the whole experience. If you want to get involved, I think the best way to start is by using it.
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 @klaartje_b [Just watching videos doesn't give you the whole experience. If you want to get i …], I want to, but i found that few features are missing. That's what stepping me back. Like mobile data, wifi, calls
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 @Stereofont [https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io], how to flash this ubuntu?
 read device specific instructions
 And i would like to know about app support
 @sayanthtezro [And i would like to know about app support], Is there telegram, signal available?
 @sayanthtezro [Is there telegram, signal available?], yes both are available
 And some third party apps like, instagram?
 only instragram web app
 @just_carlod [only instragram web app], Oh
 Any chance that it will support in any near future?
 @sayanthtezro [Any chance that it will support in any near future?], I don't need official instagram, unofficial port that support it's core features?
 so web app should be fine
 [Edit] Is it likely to get support in the future?
 @just_carlod [so web app should be fine], Okay
 I heard about anbox
 @sayanthtezro [I heard about anbox], Does that work as intended?
 Can i have whatsapp apk running on it?
 @sayanthtezro [Violet has that problem too, no offline charging. Does it mean that i can't char …], you can, it'll just.........bootloop untill it has enough charge to actually boot
 @sayanthtezro [Can i have whatsapp apk running on it?], yes no notifications, voice calls or video calls tho. much like whatsweb, the whatsapp web webapp
 @sayanthtezro [I want to, but i found that few features are missing. That's what stepping me ba …], That is why most people start with an older, second hand, well supported device.
 @K31j0 [patchelf&chill unless base os has no ld], how would you use patchelf to change where the libraries are loaded from? i see a mention of `RPATH`
 @K31j0 [patchelf&chill unless base os has no ld], [Edit] how would you use patchelf to change where the libraries are loaded from? i see a mention of `RPATH` but i don't quite get it
 @Fuseteam [yes no notifications, voice calls or video calls tho. much like whatsweb, the wh …], What? Through anbox too?
 @klaartje_b [That is why most people start with an older, second hand, well supported device.], Hmm, i guess i have to buy a new phone then. And use this current device as a test device
 The reason why like to use ubuntu touch is because of the desktop level features. like i can run most of Ubuntu's apps on it right?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/2wEv0jU8.mp4
 good question
 @sayanthtezro [The reason why like to use ubuntu touch is because of the desktop level features …], Not 'most'. But 'some'. Through Libertine.
 @sayanthtezro [The reason why like to use ubuntu touch is because of the desktop level features …], Honestly, no. Desktop mode is about layout and appearance, not content
 @sayanthtezro [What? Through anbox too?], yes anbox currently has no hardware access, well not yet anyway. that's a work in progress
 Having your smartphone transform into something that can run a desktop does *not* mean your legacy desktop apps working on your smartphone. That's not why we use Ubuntu Touch.
 @Fuseteam wouldn't you just patch interpreter to your linker? I guess it would look for libs in $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
 @K31j0 [@Fuseteam wouldn't you just patch interpreter to your linker? I guess it would l …], the interpreter itself? hmmm
 if it's dynamically linked I guess ld would just supply the necessary libraries at runtime since I had /usr/local/lib break Ubuntu update once at work
 so i managed to find a way to package cli apps in a click (kudos to jonnius) but the libs are in a none standard place
 normally it does supply it at run time i think, but in this case its suppose to provide them for terminal :p
 want me to pm what i got?
 https://forums.ubports.com/topic/6186/i-need-your-help
 https://strawpoll.com/fqke9xyqg
 @C0n57an71n [https://strawpoll.com/fqke9xyqg], Some context would be nice.
 The last one is for: "Dear Ubees, … This is a non-standard message with two things to tell: … This is a proposed new template for the news letter. Tell us what you think! … And I need your help with something. More on that after the break. … This is a test email with the new news letter design. What do you think? I made a small poll wh
[10:57] <ubptgbot> ere you can do a thumbs up or thumbs down. Just click the link and vote with your gut feeling: … A small poll on strawpoll.com  … I need your help! … I need the help of the UBports community. Will you please help me? This is something everybody in the community can do.  … I need to create a list of news contacts. People I can send a press release t
[10:57] <ubptgbot> o. … I will import this into our Odoo instance so we can send them press messages when we've got something to tell. … This is what I would very much like you to do: … Make a small list of IT magazines in your country. So, Linux and open source magazines, but also general IT magazines that you know. Or business magazines that do tech news. … Make a
[10:57] <ubptgbot> small list of the biggest news papers in your country. If you want to add your favourite, go right ahead. … search on their website for the email address of their 'news desk'. (Let's say the IO channel of the journalists that work there.) … Send to me (jeroen at ubports dot com) this list like: "organisation or magazine name:", "if they mention fir
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 ... there is a newsletter?
 You see why I posted here?
 Yes! There is!
 lol
 @Stereofont [Honestly, no. Desktop mode is about layout and appearance, not content], So, i can't just sudo apt install ?
 @fredldotme [Having your smartphone transform into something that can run a desktop does *not …], Okay
 @fredldotme [Having your smartphone transform into something that can run a desktop does *not …], Legacy desktop apps is not a problem , but what about compatibility between desktop apps and mobile apps, like some dpkg's?
 Or appimage?
 @sayanthtezro [So, i can't just sudo apt install ?], nope ubuntu touch has a readonly rootfs
 @sayanthtezro [Legacy desktop apps is not a problem , but what about compatibility between desk …], I mean programs that can run with terminal
 @sayanthtezro [I mean programs that can run with terminal], there are ways to get that working, just not apt and deb
 @Fuseteam [nope ubuntu touch has a readonly rootfs], Okay, without sudo?
 Libertine will work to an extent but not all apps and not all functionality
 @sayanthtezro [Okay, without sudo?], apt doesn't work without sudo :p
 @Fuseteam [there are ways to get that working, just not apt and deb], Native linux programs? Binaries?
 @Stereofont [Libertine will work to an extent but not all apps and not all functionality], Oh
 @Fuseteam [apt doesn't work without sudo :p], Ok
 @sayanthtezro [Native linux programs? Binaries?], yes binaries work fine, apps on UT are confined
 @Fuseteam [yes binaries work fine, apps on UT are confined], Okay
 the `nix` package manager can work with a few small tweaks
 There is an app called Isodrive, which turns the phone into a live USB with full functionality if plugged to a host computer
 @Stereofont [There is an app called Isodrive, which turns the phone into a live USB with full …], Useful feature
 but probably the easiest way to get cli apps working would be adapting this to suite your needs https://gitlab.com/jonnius/htop-provider
 takes a bit of tinkering and complex things like docker probably won't work but it can work nicely
 Main thing is , i want to use fastboot tools (platform-tools) for android. I can even use this program in android using termux. So it should work with ubuntu touch right?
 fastboot tools on top inside of ubuntu touch?
 @Fuseteam [fastboot tools on top inside of ubuntu touch?], Terminal?
 i suppose that can work, but i'm curiuos what for
 @Fuseteam [i suppose that can work, but i'm curiuos what for], To root other android phones
 adb is shipped with the os not sure what fastboot needs to run atm
 @sayanthtezro [To root other android phones], not sure if that can work, might be worth a shot
 @Fuseteam [not sure if that can work, might be worth a shot], Hmm , if that works. I no longer need a PC
 Convergence mode is not going to work on my device right?
 depends on if you can talk to the usb port or not, so no idea tbh
 @sayanthtezro [Convergence mode is not going to work on my device right?], convergence is not a mode, desktop mode is a mode tho :p
 @Fuseteam [depends on if you can talk to the usb port or not, so no idea tbh], Yeah, i can do the same with Android using termux
 @C0n57an71n [You see why I posted here?], Mmmno. I don't read the newsletter. So I don't have any opinion on the template. Surely people who do have such an opinion will have read the poll in the newsletter?
 @sayanthtezro [Convergence mode is not going to work on my device right?], which device?
 @Fuseteam [which device?], Violet
 @sayanthtezro [Yeah, i can do the same with Android using termux], that's why i said its worth a shot
 @Fuseteam [which device?], Redmi note 7 pro
 @sayanthtezro [Redmi note 7 pro], This device isn't equipped with display over usb feature, i guess
 @sayanthtezro [Violet], appears to be untested, not sure if it has wired display support
 @Fuseteam [appears to be untested, not sure if it has wired display support], I think it doesn't
 Btw i love the lomri de
 @sayanthtezro [Btw i love the lomri de], But it still not adapted to look better on a phone that having a "V-shaped" notch.
 @sayanthtezro [But it still not adapted to look better on a phone that having a "V-shaped" notc …], Wich makes me sad
 @sayanthtezro [But it still not adapted to look better on a phone that having a "V-shaped" notc …], The same goes to rounded corner display
 @sayanthtezro [But it still not adapted to look better on a phone that having a "V-shaped" notc …], [Edit] The same goes to rounded cornered display
 Hi everybody, is it there any difference between jasmine and jasmine_sprout as device name?
 I am trying to install ubports on a MI A2
 Hello, what you're trying to install is Ubuntu Touch... UBports is people 😉 UBports is the foundation that develops Ubuntu Touch. … The MI A2 is a different device than the MI A2 Lite, they are not compatible.
 So, unfortunately, jasmine and jasmine_sprout really are different. Sorry.
 Sorry, my mystake, I know that the Lite one should have "daisy" as codename
 so the "jasmine" one shall be not an A2 lite
 I don't know anything about these devices, I just did a search for 'sprout' in this group, hoping I could help you a little.
 it's really unclear to me
 and as far as I see on the internet there is no "jasmine_sprout" for mi A2
 @Alexi [and as far as I see on the internet there is no "jasmine_sprout" for mi A2], Mi A2 = jasmine
 Mi A2 lite = daisy
 Clear?
 yes
 but from installer I get
 "Please double-check that your device is a Xiaomi Mi A2 (jasmine_sprout). "
 You have Mi A2?
 yes
[12:10] <ubptgbot> <Ilja Zero> actually it is, 1 sec gonna show you, I actually have a2 lite
 @Alexi [yes], Then your device's codename is jasmine
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 @Alexi ["Please double-check that your device is a Xiaomi Mi A2 (jasmine_sprout). "], "jasmine_sprout" is maybe mistakenly written
 @Alexi ["Please double-check that your device is a Xiaomi Mi A2 (jasmine_sprout). "], If the installer says Mi a2, then proceed
 ok, thanks!
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[12:14] <ubptgbot> <Ilja Zero> Alexi so its actually called daisy_sprout :D
 thanks!
[12:16] <ubptgbot> <Ilja Zero> btw that cmd thing is sick, didn't know for a while that you can use adb to connect to your phone's screen. also works if you have wifi adb, but... not the best experience on 2.4 ghz network :D
 @sayanthtezro [The same goes to rounded cornered display], @Stereofont take that as a suggestion
 @Ilja Zero [<reply to media>], lol there's daisy sprout 😂
 sprout stands for xiaomi's android one device iirc
 @just_carlod [sprout stands for xiaomi's android one device iirc], Oh
 there is also laurel_sprout mi a3
 now xiaomi mi a* series is dead
[13:59] <ubptgbot> <Ilja Zero> yea, I kinda got that :D that idea with one to me sounded good until I updated from oreo to 9 and in youtube app, when I 18:9 screen, (in oreo) it wasn't going over notch and in 9 all content is moved lower, so now my content is cut down by a notch...
[14:01] <ubptgbot> <Ilja Zero> also interesting thing, before I could find how to disable battery optimization for certain apps and now in 10... It refuses to allow me or maybe I can't find it
 @just_carlod [sprout stands for xiaomi's android one device iirc], hmm but mi a1 is tissot so idk
[14:20] <pierro777> o/ hello
[14:20] <pierro777> quick question.
[14:20] <pierro777> if there is a notable change in a device, for example:
[14:20] <pierro777> https://forums.ubports.com/topic/3253/oneplus-3-3t
[14:20] <pierro777> Like adb support...etc.
[14:20] <pierro777> It will be available in ubports OTA or a reinstall will be needed?
 it's available OTA.
[14:21] <pierro777> thx :) ubptgbot I just wanted to be sure
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 @sayanthtezro [Wich makes me sad], sounds like a motivated to dig into what is needed to fix it
 @sayanthtezro [Wich makes me sad], [Edit] sounds like a motivation to dig into what is needed to fix it
[14:28] <pierro777> got it sorry :D
 i used to be sad that all my smartphone have keyboard layout that felt too impractical to me........not anymore >:3
 [Edit] i used to be sad that all my smartphone have keyboard layout that felt too impractical to me........not anymore! >:3
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 @Fuseteam [i used to be sad that all my smartphone have keyboard layout that felt too impra …], So, any chance to fixing it? Or workarounds?
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 @Alexi [and as far as I see on the internet there is no "jasmine_sprout" for mi A2], I have a Mi A2 and van confirm its jasmine_sprout. UT goes very well on it!
 someone will have the necessary packages to install ubuntu touch on redmi note 8, the links to the halium repository are broken
 can i install multiple de's like we just using ubuntu + kde on desktop?
 @sayanthtezro [can i install multiple de's like we just using ubuntu + kde on desktop?], no
 @shouaccount [no], Or, is there any alternative flavours available? Like kubuntu?
 there aren't
 @shouaccount [there aren't], Hmm, fine.
 @shouaccount [there aren't], https://www.plasma-mobile.org/
 @sayanthtezro [So, any chance to fixing it? Or workarounds?], you'll have to dig into what is needed, i don't have a notched phone, you do
 @Fuseteam [you'll have to dig into what is needed, i don't have a notched phone, you do], Oh
 @sayanthtezro [https://www.plasma-mobile.org/], totally different :)
 @sayanthtezro [https://www.plasma-mobile.org/], ubuntu touch is itself ubuntu base + halium + lomiri + ut apps
 @mateosalta [totally different :)], Like different distri?
 if you remove lomiri + ut apps, it isn't ut
 @mateosalta [totally different :)], [Edit] Like different distro?
 @sayanthtezro [Like different distro?], Yeah
 @shouaccount [if you remove lomiri + ut apps, it isn't ut], Oh, now i get it
 Plus there is the image updates, the confinement system, url dispatcher, media hub
 all the extra things that make it more usable as a phone
 hmm i wonder what cli apps people miss on ubuntu touch, i think jonatan opened my eyes how 90% of my cli apps can be made toi run :^3
 [Edit] hmm i wonder what cli apps people miss on ubuntu touch that they are used to on the desktop, i think jonatan opened my eyes how 90% of my cli apps can be made to run with a readonly rootfs :^3
 @Fuseteam [hmm i wonder what cli apps people miss on ubuntu touch that they are used to on …], Transmission, but can be run on a Libertine container
 transmission is a cli app?
 i thought that was a gui app 🤔
 Fwd from mateosalta: or here is a native torrent app:
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/0GEzgeyS.null
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/SkV86R0X.null
 [Edit] hmm i wonder what commandline utilities (cli apps) people miss on ubuntu touch that they are used to on the desktop, i think jonatan opened my eyes how 90% of my cli apps can be made to run with a readonly rootfs :^3
 I didn't rename the package yet, but if you want to test
 @Fuseteam [i thought that was a gui app 🤔], transmission-cli, its super easy to use, just type transmission-cli and link to magnet or torrent and that's it. Runs better than GUI interface
 @mateosalta [or here is a native torrent app:], Great! Thank you!
 @mateosalta [or here is a native torrent app:], kinda funny how your forwarded message just fits in the convo lol
 @Fuseteam [i thought that was a gui app 🤔], Transmission is gui, but i don't know if it have a cli app also
 @LGeek [transmission-cli, its super easy to use, just type transmission-cli and link to …], oh interesting
 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], What is this .click file?
 @sayanthtezro [What is this .click file?], Is it like .deb?
 it is a torrent program
 he hasn't used ut yet
 @sayanthtezro [Is it like .deb?], nope, is click - fully packaged to us in ut :)
 @sayanthtezro [Is it like .deb?], [Edit] nope, is click - fully packaged to use in ut :)
 its how we confine apps to their own spaces
 @mateosalta [nope, is click - fully packaged to use in ut :)], Offline installation package?
 fav part about this one:
 (Photo, 1080x2220) https://irc.ubports.com/mekiTWo2.png
 uses the menu :)
 Interesting... 🤔
 (Photo, 1080x2220) https://irc.ubports.com/kpEGF2Hv.png
 I like it!
 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], Wich device btw?
 you will probally want to add it to runnng in background with ut tweak tool to be fully useful :)
 pixel 3a
 @mateosalta [pixel 3a], And how is the battery life?
 There is a way to no limit speed in heart app? Or it is always limited to 2Mb/s
 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], ooooh
 @LGeek [There is a way to no limit speed in heart app? Or it is always limited to 2Mb/s], could you run which transmission-cli on your desktop?
 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], So this application is not specifically made to run on ut?
 @LGeek [There is a way to no limit speed in heart app? Or it is always limited to 2Mb/s], [Edit] could you run `which transmission-cli` on your desktop?
 @LGeek [There is a way to no limit speed in heart app? Or it is always limited to 2Mb/s], lol, that is a strange limit, should be easy to change in code though, i will remember to change if i try to put in store
 I love the menu integration on UT, it is the first app I see using that kind of menu
 @sayanthtezro [So this application is not specifically made to run on ut?], it is in the qt-master examples
 @mateosalta [lol, that is a strange limit, should be easy to change in code though, i will re …], Thank you!
 @mateosalta [it is in the qt-master examples], Oh
 i need to see if name space change will let the menu run confined
 or file a bug for apparmor to allow apps tu use this
 @sayanthtezro [Oh], so cool stuff, posssibally with newer wayland/mir stuff we could see more crossover of desktop apps
 @mateosalta [so cool stuff, posssibally with newer wayland/mir stuff we could see more crosso …], Cool, now I'm excited
 on the manjaro pinephone with lomiri it can already run gtk stuff
 looks like `/bin/locate` is a symlink to `/etc/alternatives/locate` which is a symlink to `/bin/mlocate`..........why :V
 i want the menu, please make it happen 😄
 @mateosalta [on the manjaro pinephone with lomiri it can already run gtk stuff], Cool
 @Javacookies [i want the menu, please make it happen 😄], yeah i'm pretty hyped too XD
 I like mod things. I like to create custom boot animations on Android, can i do the same with ubuntu touch?
 @Javacookies [i want the menu, please make it happen 😄], if i find a way to run confined, i will try and come up with a cpp wrapper template or something, with some keyboard shortcuts or something prefilled
 [Edit] I like to mod things. I like to create custom boot animations on Android, can i do the same with ubuntu touch?
 @sayanthtezro [I like to mod things. I like to create custom boot animations on Android, can i …], the boot images will be the same format as the on the phone you flash
 @sayanthtezro [I like to mod things. I like to create custom boot animations on Android, can i …], In android its bootanimation.zip, i guess it's not the same for a different os
 @mateosalta [the boot images will be the same format as the on the phone you flash], Not the boot image, i want my own boot animation
 what you want is your own distro
 @sayanthtezro [I like to mod things. I like to create custom boot animations on Android, can i …], it can be easy or hard … easy because you can basically edit qml files on your device but they will be overwritten by updates or worse, conflicts so you'll have manage them yourself
 @sayanthtezro [Not the boot image, i want my own boot animation], Does ubuntu touch have bootanimation?
 which is how plasma mobile started iirc
 @Fuseteam [what you want is your own distro], No, I'm just asking. Out of curiosity
 it has the 'ubuntu' with dots, i guess that is a animation of some kind
 @Javacookies [it can be easy or hard … easy because you can basically edit qml files on your dev …], Oh
 i myself have the search field at the bottom of the app drawer 😄
 @Javacookies [it can be easy or hard … easy because you can basically edit qml files on your dev …], So better not to touch that part
 dont know what format that is in :)
 @sayanthtezro [Oh], for actual boot animation (one you flash) won't be simple though.
 @sayanthtezro [No, I'm just asking. Out of curiosity], like i said the rootfs is readonly, if want to make changes and those changes be persistent, it'll either have to be changes everyone should be able to get or you'll have to fork the os
 @mateosalta [it has the 'ubuntu' with dots, i guess that is a animation of some kind], i think this one is created with something lowrr level than just QML...opengl i think?
 is fun, sometimes i turn my indicator pannel transparent :)
 i tend to do the former btw, i modded a lot of things hehe
 i should note there are a few writable paths, i've been playing with some of 'em lately
 been working on tab look in browser, hope to get it merged sometime
 (Photo, 1080x2220) https://irc.ubports.com/fTjOFM7W.png
 227 tabs muehehehehe
 the change seems subtle to me
 reverted back to the thin divider, the drop shadow was too hard, hopefully will revisit getting some kind of full shadow for the preview
 i think you remove the rounded corners at the bottom of the tab
 yep, and the tab border(since the actual tab has a shadow)
 @Fuseteam [i tend to do the former btw, i modded a lot of things hehe], So compared to android, ubuntu touch is less moddable?
 depends
 @sayanthtezro [So compared to android, ubuntu touch is less moddable?], There’s actual source and people who understand it so I guess you could mod it if you wanted
 my problem with these tabs is that they are different from the tabs in wide layout. the latter is part of the toolkit 😅
 @sayanthtezro [So compared to android, ubuntu touch is less moddable?], it more moddable imo
 its just that for reliabilty and updates your mods are overwritten
 @sayanthtezro [So compared to android, ubuntu touch is less moddable?], depends on what you're modding
 certain things are more, since all open - but it is not the normal that modders are used to
 @Javacookies [my problem with these tabs is that they are different from the tabs in wide layo …], the old ones?
 unless you upstream it
 like i modded my keyboard completely
 i don't know how modding even works on android. do you have like your own rom?
 i need to try and fix the shadow od the wide layout tabs...
 now i just need to get my code merged so i don't have to reinstall it every single time
 the ones im proposing should look more like the wide layout tab
 @Fuseteam [its just that for reliabilty and updates your mods are overwritten], Oh
 @mateosalta [the old ones?], somewhere in the toolkit … extras module i think
 "It's open source and free" and "I should be able to mod it" are not the same thing. One implies freedom to do things, the other implies that the OS is a wild west
 @sayanthtezro [Oh], *are often overwritten
 [Edit] "It's open source and free" and "I should be able to mod it" are not the same thing. One implies freedom to do things, the other implies that the OS is the Wild West
 @Fuseteam [now i just need to get my code merged so i don't have to reinstall it every sing …], except they're moving to gitlab 😝
 @Fuseteam [*are often overwritten], Understood
 ofc you can maintain your own code base and just reinstall your mods when needed, maybe possibly automate :3
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/NIT7lTxt.mp4
 @Javacookies [except they're moving to gitlab 😝], maybe i'll make right before they moved lol
 @Javacookies [except they're moving to gitlab 😝], [Edit] maybe i'll make right before they move lol
 tbh if i can figure the annoying dismissal issue i might just let it be merged
 aw I was a bit late, that gif was for Alfred for the wild west :)
 that's probably the last blocker for that layout
 @mateosalta [aw I was a bit late, that gif was for Alfred for the wild west :)], lol
 @mateosalta [aw I was a bit late, that gif was for Alfred for the wild west :)], I got it lol
 it still kinda fits hehe
 @Fuseteam [tbh if i can figure the annoying dismissal issue i might just let it be merged], try out my test build if that still happens there 😄
 @Javacookies [try out my test build if that still happens there 😄], do you remember what issue i mean?
 @Fuseteam [ofc you can maintain your own code base and just reinstall your mods when needed …], i've been wanting that … something like Cydia for UT, 😆
 no idea what Cydia is lol
 @Fuseteam [do you remember what issue i mean?], the top row issue right?
 Whats the name of that flying robot?
 @Javacookies [the top row issue right?], 👀 indeed imma look at that test build of yours now
 @Javacookies [the top row issue right?], [Edit] 👀 indeed imma look at that test build of yours now
 @Fuseteam [no idea what Cydia is lol], it's the store for jailbroken iOS … well at least 10 years ago 😄
 lol
 ......18 files what in the 😂
 you're really living it up 😂
 @Fuseteam [👀 indeed imma look at that test build of yours now], it's quite a big change so maybe that's accidentally fixed there 😄
 oh no this might conflict with my changes
 i wanna try your flick keyboard on my tablet. i feel like i'd like it here
 @Fuseteam [oh no this might conflict with my changes], probably 😅
 ja/qml/keys is moved to `../lib/../keys` and emoji will be disappearing soon hopefully
 oh and flickcharkey is heavily modified :P
 hmm i might need to rebase it to try this one 🤔
 i think there's small changes in the flick keys
 [Edit] `plugins/ja/qml/keys` is moved to `qml``/keys` and emoji will be disappearing soon hopefully
 most are in `Keyboard.qml`
 i'm somewhat curious how well it rebases now
 heh merge conflict in FlickCharKey
 oh that was the only conflict lol
 nice
 watch it explode 😂
 i first got it backwards so i had this: … ```++<<<<<<< HEAD …  +    property int fontSize: (fullScreenItem.keyboardLandscape ? (height / 2) : (height / 2.8)); … ++[15:50] <ubptgbot> idth/6 … +     property bool isPortrait: buttonRect.width/buttonRect.height > 2 ? false : true … ++>>>>>>> merge flickactionkey into flickcharkey```
 then i did it the other around and it complaines ja/qml/keys shouldn't exist so i remove it lol
 [Edit] then i did it the other around and it complaines ja/qml/keys shouldn't exist so i removed it lol
 now i'm not sure how to resolve this yet hehe
[16:37] <ubptgbot> <Benni S> What's the "right" way to get tailscale up and running on ubports? … https://tailscale.com/download
 @Benni S [What's the "right" way to get tailscale up and running on ubports? … https://tails …], setting all the needed parameters in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections seems to be the easiest way
 wait zero config? how does that work?
 hmm i think it might be best to wait for the 20.04 transistion to finish
 i don't think it uses openvpn
 ah it's wireguard underneath
 i guess you have to download the binary tarball, unpack it in your home dir, and run it manually, to use on Ubuntu Touch
 if its a single binary that should be possible yeah :p
 its just that on 16.04 they reccomend installing apt-transport-https for some reason
 not sure because of something 16.04 didn't ship or what lol
 [Edit] not sure if its because of something 16.04 didn't ship or what lol
 @Fuseteam [hmm i think it might be best to wait for the 20.04 transistion to finish], It doesn't transitioned yet?
 @sayanthtezro [It doesn't transitioned yet?], no, that is work in progress
 16.04 is like ancient lol
 @Fuseteam [no, that is work in progress], Oh
 @Fuseteam [its just that on 16.04 they reccomend installing apt-transport-https for some re …], because it's not installed by default and they host on https i guess. but doesn't matter really
 @dohbee [because it's not installed by default and they host on https i guess. but doesn' …], ah i see
 @Fuseteam [now i'm not sure how to resolve this yet hehe], just manually edit them … my changes are very trivial 😅
 @Javacookies [just manually edit them … my changes are very trivial 😅], i mean is that one line the only line i should change?
 or do all three need something?
 i think so, yes … just regarding the font size which you may actually just ignore since you're justbtesting anyway
 hmm alright
 guess i need to cross build it heh
[17:46] <ubptgbot> João Victor Constantino was added by: João Victor Constantino
 Blue Screen of Death by XP :)
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/9emcJNag.png
 ok but this is off topic in here :)
 haha deserving of why I'm here
 we have https://t.me/UBportsOF for sharing such things
[18:11] <ubptgbot> <Benni S> @dohbee [i guess you have to download the binary tarball, unpack it in your home dir, and …], Thank you
[18:11] <ubptgbot> <Benni S> @Fuseteam [its just that on 16.04 they reccomend installing apt-transport-https for some re …], Thank ouy
[18:11] <ubptgbot> <Benni S> @Fuseteam [its just that on 16.04 they reccomend installing apt-transport-https for some re …], [Edit] Thank you
 Cant find my device
 Samsung Galaxy Tab A T-385M (sep 2018)
 Make Ubuntu for iPhone 🙏😅
 Hi, please see this FAQ message in our installation group: https://t.me/WelcomePlus/68961
[19:07] <ubptgbot> rtushar777 was added by: rtushar777
[19:08] <ubptgbot> aliciadark was added by: aliciadark
 oh wow a direct link, that's a first
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/qd5LMtn1.webp
 @inkedbooking [Make Ubuntu for iPhone 🙏😅], ubuntu 20.04 works on iphone 7, so ubuntu touch might be possible in the future
 works I mean it's booting
 it probably will never be daily driveable
 (Photo, 1280x214) https://irc.ubports.com/y0N80U5g.png how to solve this error
 @klaartje_b [Just watching videos doesn't give you the whole experience. If you want to get i …], This
[21:18] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @libremax [I know at least one guy used to N5 and VollaPhone who is happy with the Redmi no …], It's me indeed. I'm happy to have seen off-line charging as well as automatic screen light adjustment working now on Vollaphone on OTA-17. … I also wrote a topic on the Redmi Note 7: … https://forums.ubports.com/topic/6026/redmi-note-7-st
[21:18] <ubptgbot> ate-of-play
 How to open the software installed in Libertine on the terminal?
 I installed htop,but I can't open in terminal
 You'd need to install a terminal app in libertine too, but then you dont get on screen keyboard. Or you could find the correct terninal command to run in UT terminal app. `libertine-container-nanager something something htop` cant remember sorry … ...or you can install htop app from open store and run htop in UT terminal without libert
[23:01] <ubptgbot> ine
 Hmm sorry the htop app is no longer in open store it seems
 @YougoChats [Hmm sorry the htop app is no longer in open store it seems], Yes, I removed it... Too hacky and old 😄
 @ItoRimai [I installed htop,but I can't open in terminal], Maybe … ```libertine-container-manager exec -c "/bin/bash"``` … should open a shell in libertine iirc
 @ItoRimai [I installed htop,but I can't open in terminal], [Edit] `libertine-container-manager exec -c "/bin/bash"` … should open a shell in libertine iirc


[18:20] <flyback> anyone have any good guides for setting up xrdp on lubuntu
[18:35] <flyback> nm for now I don't have time to wprk on this anymore
[18:55] <wxl> flyback: my advice is to use NoMachine. it's the best remote access solution i've ever found
[21:52] <flyback> hmm, illl consider it
[23:06] <flyback> thing is I got xrdp to run but like the desktop is half started, like lxqt-session isn't running and you can't logout
[23:11] <flyback> and what the canuck- happen to lubuntu.me
[23:11] <flyback> like all the help search hits on google are broken
[23:11] <arraybolt3> Lubuntu's infrastructure is temporarily down.
[23:12] <arraybolt3> Sysadmin moved things, we're waiting on Canonical IS to bring us back up.
[23:12] <arraybolt3> (which is taking a bit)
[23:12] <flyback> ok, glad it's not serious
[23:12] <arraybolt3> We're still very much alive and kicking :)
[23:13] <arraybolt3> as for xrdp, I sadly have no experience with it. I've always used VNC in some form.
[23:14] <arraybolt3> flyback: one thing you might try though, make sure you're *fully logged out" on the machine you'r eremoting into before you remote into it.
[23:14] <wxl> re: xrdp it's been years since i worked with it but there were all sorts of quirks and issues that i struggled with to make it work. then i found NoMachine and never looked back. i'm not inclined to recommend proprietary software, but in this case it's simply the clear winner. at least it's free.
[23:14] <arraybolt3> LXQt doesn't like trying to have two parallel instances running.
[23:15] <flyback> yeah I might give nomachine a go since there's a android client also
[23:15] <arraybolt3> If you need to log out remotely, SSH in, use `loginctl` to list active sessions, and use `loginctl terminate-session` to log them out (forcefully! be careful)
[23:15] <flyback> or spice protocol even
[23:17] <flyback> xxrdp isn't even doing what I want, I can't park it resized on the windows desktop like I can connecting to another windows desktop
[23:19]  * flyback uninstalls
[23:54] <flyback> hmm nomachine has a browser fallback
[23:54] <flyback> so that pretty much covers any os
[23:54] <flyback> client wise
[23:55] <wxl> yup
[23:55] <wxl> even gracefully handles multiple monitors


[03:45] <guiverc> uwn 778 posted to fb
[03:47] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Ubuntu 23.04 Will Ship with Linux Kernel 6.2 @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/03/ubuntu-23-04-will-ship-with-linux-kernel-6-2 (by Joey Sneddon)
[08:29] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Canonical announces Ubuntu Core compatible with SystemReady IR Systems, highlights OS s... @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/systemready-and-psa-certification-for-ubuntu-core
[08:29] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Canonical teams up with MediaTek to optimise Ubuntu for IoT innovations @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-mediatek-iot-innovations
[10:32] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 778 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/03/13/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-778/ (by guiverc)
[10:38] <mapreri> hello people here!
[10:39] <mapreri> We people in the Membership Board noticed that the Fridge calendar is missing one of our three regular meetings
[10:40] <mapreri> Could you please add another meeting for "1st Thursday of the month, 20.00 UTC" ?  The same day we also have a 22.00 UTC, that's already there, I guess it's only about duplicating that one and changing time.
[10:40] <mapreri> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[10:51]  * guiverc doesn't see a 'copy' to duplicate it; but looking...
[10:53]  * guiverc found 'duplicate'  ...
[11:05] <guiverc> mapreri, look okay?   yell out if any issues
[11:19] <Kilos> o/
[11:29] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Time to prepare for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS End of Standard Support on 31 May 2023 @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/18-04-end-of-standard-support
[12:31] <mapreri> guiverc[m]: looks correct to me, thank you!!
[14:05] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Firefox 111 Released with Minor Improvements, Updated PDF.js @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/03/firefox-111-released (by Joey Sneddon)


[23:34] <glitsj16> sphinx: i'm definately not overuling that :) .. but what stops an experimentally inclined mind from checking out the bzr code from launchpad? ;) https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/vineyard/trunk has a list of latest revisions you might check before going that route
[23:34] <alchemist9> john38: yes, i don't know where lightscribe software installs though..
[23:35]  * alchemist9 kernel build time counter 5:22:36 on a pentium celeron i386 1.2ghz.. T.T
[23:35] <sphinx> glitsj16, I'll check. Thank you.
[23:36] <john38> alchemist9, doest work
[23:36] <Miguelito> Anyone have any suggestions
[23:36] <john38> alchemist9, permission denied..i even tried sudo find /|grep lightscribe
[23:36] <physically_fit> Miguelito, what do you want to accomplish?
[23:37] <r3dLunchb0x_> Miguelito: sudo apt-get install k3b or use package manager
[23:37] <ratcheer> john38: Do you know the name of the file you are looking for?
[23:37] <alchemist9> john38: whoops forgot sudo.. sudo find / |grep lightscribe
[23:38] <r3dLunchb0x_> ubunuanao: in vim/vi I use these key sequences" esc, then : (this will give you a command prompt at the bottom) wq!, enter"
[23:38] <KingFisher> how do iterate through a .txt document with sed while replacing one word with another
[23:38] <john38> ratcheer, well i can run program in terminal..."4L-gui
[23:38] <KingFisher> like if i want to replace a .txt document with "hello world" and replace "world" iwth "everyone"
[23:38] <KingFisher> cat test.txt | sed s/world/everyone
[23:39] <KingFisher> how could I make that work?
[23:39] <r3dLunchb0x_> KingFisher: doesn't he need to end that with "/g"
[23:39] <KingFisher> R33p3R, what is /g?
[23:39] <john38> ratcheer, i just want to make a shortcut on desktop
[23:39] <zykotick9> KingFisher: global
[23:39] <john38> alchemist9, that didnt work either
[23:40] <ratcheer> john38: I thought you were looking for a file. Sorry.
[23:40] <alchemist9> john38: you downloaded the .deb packages correct?
[23:40] <r3dLunchb0x_> Kingfisher: that is the global tag, so for every "worl" it finds it will change it, then you'll wanna re-direct that to another file with this on the same command line" >> ./filename.txt
[23:40] <john38> ratcheer, im looking for file to make its executable file on desktop
[23:40] <john38> alchemist9, yes
[23:40] <r3dLunchb0x_> KingFisher: typo, meant "world" lol
[23:41] <KingFisher> thank you
[23:41] <Miguelito> phsyically_fit, to be able to burn various file types to create a menu based dvd and also a good audio dubber would be nice
[23:41] <alchemist9> john38: ok let me find the file hierarchy
[23:41] <ratcheer> john38: Ok. Do you know the filename?
[23:41] <r3dLunchb0x_> Miguelito: k3b I believe does this....
[23:42] <john38> ratcheer, no...i just type 4L-qui in terminal to load program
[23:42] <ratcheer> john38: Anyway, the proper command is: sudo find / -name <filename>, where the actual filename is substituted for <filename>
[23:43]  * malkauns eyes his 52 days laptop uptime :)
[23:43] <grendal> how do you turn off automatic updates on 12.04
[23:43] <zykotick9> ratcheer: don't use sudo unnecessarily...
[23:43] <john38> ratcheer, i'll try that
[23:43] <smw_> grendal, ubuntu does not have automatic updates by default
[23:43] <Miguelito> r3dLunchb0x_, downloading that now - trying to transition completely from winblows - use to be a lot more involved with linux but Unbuntu has come highly recommended
[23:43] <iHarp> Does anyone know if "UnetBootin " will allow me to mount an OSX dmg file to boot on a mac from linux?
[23:44] <ratcheer> zykotick9: He needs it if he is searching from root, or he will get tons of "cannot open" messages.
[23:44] <john38> ratcheer, thanks found it!
[23:45] <zykotick9> ratcheer: 2>/dev/null ;)
[23:45] <alchemist9> iHarp: no it wont
[23:45] <aguitel> L3top, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] [10de:0322] (rev a1)
[23:45] <ratcheer> zykotick9: OK, thanks.
[23:45] <grendal> smw when you install it it askes if you want automatic updates
[23:46] <aguitel> how install nvidia-173 in 12.04 ?
[23:46] <grendal> i seleted yes on accident, now it will download and install updates as they are released
[23:47] <alchemist9> iHarp: to mount .dmg files in linux try sudo mount -t hfsplus -o loop /path/to/dmg.dmg /path/to/mount/directory
[23:49] <grendal> i selected yes on accident
[23:50] <grendal> now i will occationally log into the box and it will have already applied the updates and need a system reboot.
[23:50] <grendal> that machine is a kvm host for about 7 machines.
[23:50] <Sire> Is there an easy way to update mpd to 0.16.8 without getting dependencies for compiling from source when apt-get supplies 0.16.5?
[23:54] <L3top> !info nvidia-173 | aguitel this is the correct driver
[23:55] <L3top> aguitel: sudo apt-get install nvidia-173
[23:55] <de> Ola
[23:55] <L3top> !es | de
[23:56] <grendal> I want my team to go through an aproval process for anything that is going to requre a system reboot.  there are downtime
[23:56] <grendal> there is i mean
[23:57] <mrdeb> hi
[23:57] <jimi_> When I boot up, how can I choose ldap instead of local accounts? right now i can only see accounts listed
[23:57] <KorvinSzanto> I have a pending grf-f,
[23:57] <KorvinSzanto> can I get the status on that
[23:59] <glitsj16> sphinx: my apologies .. turns out that i gave you the wrong url .. http://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/ is the latest wine from git
[23:59] <Sire> I just installed ALSA, but that seems to have screwed up mpd, how can I configure one or both so I can use the Creative Audigy eX PCI that I have installed?


[01:16] <cprofitt> Pendulum: are you here?
[01:18] <Pendulum> cprofitt: what's up?
[01:18] <cprofitt> can you join #ubuntu-us-ny we are discussing membership formally in a meeting
[01:19] <cprofitt> I might like you to speak to the members
[01:19] <cprofitt> we may not need it... but we will see
[01:20] <Pendulum> done. poke me here or PM me at any point you definitely want me to say something
[01:20] <cprofitt> l
[01:20] <cprofitt> k
[01:20] <Pendulum> (I'm kinda 1/2 asleep so won't necessarily notice otherwise)


[05:58] <Kilos> hi blahdeblah  welcome to ubuntu-africa
[05:58] <Kilos> oi
[05:58] <Kilos> morning africa
[16:17] <elacheche> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMQWnU-nh3U
[16:17] <Kilos> whats that
[16:17] <Kilos> i dont do youtube vids
[16:18] <elacheche> Kilos, it's a live for Ubuntu Community Team Q&A
[16:19] <Kilos> eish pc and internet too slow and mobile data too expensive for me
[16:19] <Kilos> what was interesting
[16:19] <elacheche> Oups..


[00:09] <OvenWerks> is snap the next upstart?
[00:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: No, this is just a backend to allow people to use Discover to install snaps. Still allows debs to install by default.
[00:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> We have it in 20.10, but in 21.04 it changed package name.
[00:45] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]:  I mean when will snaps become flatpacks...
[04:18] <MauroGaspari[m]> OvenWerks you think canonical will abandon snaps?
 not any time soon since Ubuntu Desktop has a dependency on them
 :P
[04:29] <OvenWerks> MauroGaspari[m]: remember upstart, the DE before gnome scree,
 OvernWerks: um, you mean Unity?
[04:30] <OvenWerks> something like that, but it was based on something other than gnoome
 Upstart was the replacement for SystemV.  which was replaced by SystemD now.
 s/systemv/sysvinit/
[04:30] <OvenWerks> exactly
 Unity was the DE that replaced GNOME 2 and now they're back on Gnome
[04:31] <OvenWerks> exactly
[04:31] <OvenWerks> that is why I ask about snaps when it seems flatpack is where things are going
 Canonical :P
[08:27] <MauroGaspari[m]> <OvenWerks "Mauro Gaspari: remember upstart,"> yes I see your point of view. I hope they are here to stay as long as they keep improving. Some snaps still have horrible startup time. First launch after boot. But for me, snaps are way better than having 300 PPAs. especially since ubuntu is not rolling, having to support users to purge PPAs, then re enable after release upgrade, is a massive pain
[14:46] <BrianHechinger[m> snaps aren't without their issues though. The circleci-cli snap won't work for me because it needs to write to /tmp which fails. Even with --classic. :(
[14:58] <MauroGaspari[m]> <BrianHechinger[m "snaps aren't without their issue"> auch. now we see why many users get to move to manjaro or arch. one single AUR vs a sea of PPAs or snaps or flatpaks to navigate. And no release upgrades which means no need to fiddle with the repos. Not saying Arch and Manjaro are perfect. But they are really convenient for the users.
[14:59] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer: Manjaro studio when? 😆 Lol just kidding 😅
[16:18] <OvenWerks> MauroGaspari[m]: the arch community is quite up to date with audio already
[16:19] <OvenWerks> MauroGaspari[m]: they are some of the people who are pushing the studio-controls dev
[17:22] <MauroGaspari[m]> <OvenWerks "Mauro Gaspari: they are some of "> very interesting. So you think that studio controls and let's say an ubuntu-studio setup can be easily achieved using manjaro or arch too?
 i think that's outside the scope of the Ubuntu Studio mindset ;)
 just saying :P
[17:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> Agreed, it's outside the scope. Arch is very much a "roll it yourself" thing and Manjaro is just an easy base to a "roll it yourself".
[17:36] <MauroGaspari[m]> Sure, no problem. I was just curious because I have never seen any good documentation on how to achieve what Ubuntu Studio does.
[17:37] <MauroGaspari[m]>  * Sure, no problem. I was just curious because I have never seen any good documentation on how to achieve what Ubuntu Studio does on arch-based systems


[01:59] <harlowja> smoser alright, taking another stab @ https://code.launchpad.net/~harlowja/cloud-init/py2-3 (WIP)
[13:24] <smoser> harlowja_away, whoohoo
[15:36] <CatKiller> smoser: I'm nearly done integrating the resize operation. I've wasted most of the time finding a way to compute the size delta thinking that only "+size" operations were supported by qemu-img, not realizing you could simply specify the size by itself...
[15:36] <smoser> :)
[15:38] <CatKiller> smoser: And to do that in bash was really hard :P Since bash doesn't handle floats etc. Well anyways I'll keep this one in my archive as it's full of handy snippets
[15:38] <CatKiller> smoser: The much much simpler version will come soon
[15:40] <smoser> floating point is possible in bash, but can be tricky
[15:40] <smoser> http://smoser.brickies.net/git/?p=snippits.git;a=blob;f=sh/fpdiv;h=7336f6c3b981082b7f8a39e73c0047f10193f303;hb=HEAD
[15:40] <smoser> (if its not obvious, that is floating point division in bash)
[15:41] <smoser> er... actually in posix sh
[17:04] <CatKiller> smoser: Nice, good module actually to keep
[21:42] <harlowja> smoser will do some tests on that, but the basic approach is to start nailing the crap that is changed in 3.x with six usage
[21:42] <harlowja> just gotta hit all the cases (which is hard, ha)
[22:47] <harlowja> smoser https://code.launchpad.net/~harlowja/cloud-init/py2-3/+merge/225240 ; hopefully helps get this going
[22:47] <harlowja> the basics at least, doesn't fully work on py3 i think, but a step
[22:47] <harlowja> at least imports all fine under 3.4 (unless i missed a few modules)


[03:10] <henry> hi, how do i get help on module missing in slapd package?
[05:53] <cpaelzer> good morning
[05:54] <utkarsh2102> cpaelzer: o/
[05:54] <cpaelzer> hi utkarsh2102
[08:43] <OutBackDingo> seem to be seeing disk enumerations issues on ubuntu with multi disk systems, like 2 256gb ssd boot drives and 6 3.5Tb storage drives, ubuntu sees the boot drives last and installs to the 3.5TB, specifically using MAAS
[08:43] <OutBackDingo> we noticed it also trying an install from usb stick where sda was 3.5T, and not 128Gb
[09:22] <mirespace> good morning
[13:10] <icey> jamespage: any idea why this doesn't have logs: https://launchpad.net/~chris.macnaughton/+archive/ubuntu/focal-ussuri/+build/23490887 ?
[13:25] <JanC> OutBackDingo: I'm not sure why you expect drives to be enumerated in a particular order?
[13:26] <OutBackDingo> every other linux os sees the 2 ssd drives as sda / sdb except ubuntu
[13:26] <OutBackDingo> JanC: so curiously ubuntu sees them as sdi / sdj
[13:27] <OutBackDingo> and i would "expect" them to be enumerated in slot order at a minimal
[13:27] <JanC> AFAIK this enumeration has no guaranteed order, and might even differ between installer runs...
[13:28] <OutBackDingo> JanC: would make sense but mostly occurs only with ubuntu
[13:28] <JanC> there are many types of "slots"
[13:35] <JanC> I suppose /dev/disk/by-path/* is the closest you can get to a "slot order" ?
[13:39] <ogra> any guaranteed drive enumerration in linux has been dropped around linux 3.x ... it is sheer luck if you see them enumerated the same all the time
[13:40] <ogra> (or was it 2.x ??? definitely some time after udev got common standard)
[13:40] <JanC> well, some distros keep a cache to keep them the same over reboots after install
[13:40] <JanC> but on install, there would be no such cache
[14:16] <ahasenack> sergiodj: around?
[14:17] <ahasenack> sergiodj: you are not including the patches from https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiodj/ubuntu/+source/bind9/+git/bind9/+merge/417404 in the bind 9.18.1 merge because of the FFe?
[14:17] <ahasenack> because it might not be granted?
[14:17] <jamespage> icey: some other infrastructure issue in the build farm - my ceph upload from yesterday died in a mysterious way as well
[14:37] <sergiodj> ahasenack: yeah, I thought it was better to have two separate processes.  but I can refactor things here and include the patches in the merge if you think it's best, no problem
[14:38] <ahasenack> sergiodj: if that ffe goes through, it will need the patches, so I think better add them now
[14:38] <ahasenack> I'm reviewing the 9.18.0 one, to unblock that in case the FFe doesn't go through
[14:38] <sergiodj> ahasenack: makes sense, I will add the patches to the merge
[14:38] <sergiodj> thanks for reviewing
[19:09] <sergiodj> ahasenack: thanks for the review
[19:28] <Comnenus> After I remove a static IP from netplan and change it to DHCP, # netplan try is getting the DHCP address but not releasing the static.  How can I get rid of that?
[19:34] <genii> Did you issue: sudo netplan apply
[19:37] <ogra> if "apply" behaves different from "try" thats clearly a bug though (not saying that apply wont work indeed, but behaviour is supposed to be identical for both)
[19:43] <Comnenus> I did not try apply yet.
[19:44] <Comnenus> (haha)
[19:44] <sarnold> lol


[07:59] <dholbach> hiya
[08:00] <dholbach> can anybody tell me if this looks like a kernel problem or more of a Keybuk-boot problem:
[08:00] <dholbach>  the last thing when I boot on the other machine is "ACPI: I/O resource nForce2_smbus [0x1c40-0x1c7f] conflicts with ACPI region SM01 ............. Error probing SMB2"
[08:00] <dholbach>  but I get the feeling that that message has nothing to do with the hang on the machine I'm seeing
[08:00] <dholbach>  if I boot with bin=/bin/bash the last thing I see is "bash: cannot set terminal process group (-1): Inappropriate iotcl for device" "bash: no job control in this shell"
[08:00] <dholbach>  this is the latest karmic with the ubuntu-boot ppa enabled
[08:00] <dholbach>  Keybuk: ^ any idea what I could do?
[08:06] <jk-> dholbach: you mean init=/bin/bash ?
[08:06] <dholbach> jk-: oh yeah, that's right
[08:06] <jk-> looks like bash is starting up OK, just giving you a warning.
[08:06] <dholbach> ok... so it might actually be something boot-related breaking
[08:06] <jk-> it may not have correct access to the console device
[08:07] <dholbach> and not the kernel
[08:07] <apw> tend to agree, would be suspicious its boot and not the kernel
[08:07] <dholbach> the ACPI smbus thing seems to be unrelated?
[08:07] <apw> you may even find it will respond to commands even if it does not look like its prompting
[08:07] <jk-> yeah, make sure you have /dev/ populated
[08:08] <apw> which with init as bash you won't without devtmpfs
[08:11] <dholbach> erm... I think I'm seeing a very very weird thing right now - after booting from a livecd and running fsck and smartctl it works again now (both reported no errors and didn't say anything about fixing something?!)
[08:11] <dholbach> Keybuk: nevermind
[08:12] <dholbach> apw, jk-: thanks guys - I have no idea what "fixed it now"
[08:12] <apw> hrm ... computers ...
[08:12] <dholbach> might be a good idea to get a replacement disk :-)
[08:13] <apw> heh ... lets hope not
[08:14] <dholbach> at least have it ready and do a backup again :-)
[08:30] <thux> hi, with one hardware my jaunty waits long time 'starting to boot' on screen. acpi=off reduces that time but complaint pnpbios. and if acpi=off and pnpbios=off again 'starting  to boot' show long time. is there a way around  this?
[08:38] <smb> thux, Its hard to say something on that. It might be some subsystem that just takes long to initialize. And with the combination that seems to be faster it might not be there at all. I assume you removed the "quiet" from the command line and still there is nothing between the first line and the boot?
[08:38] <apw> thux one would need to get the dmesg output from the boot and see if there is an obvious time delay in the timestampts there.  may give a clue as to cause
[08:39] <thux> ok I try first remove quiet and then put dmesg to pastebin
[08:44] <apw> smb, as a heads up, karmic intel graphics are looking like they have hang issues ...
[08:45] <smb> apw, I noticed from comments last week. Seems mostly ok on the aa1
[08:45] <apw> i am suspicious it only triggers after a suspend/resume
[08:47] <smb> I had, not yet, a complete lockup as you had. There is a strange case of the netbook launcher sometimes ignoring the mouse after a while. But that is rather something else
[08:48] <smb> apw, What model do you have? 945GME?
[08:50] <thux> here is my dmesg http://pastebin.com/m5185a0b0
[08:51] <smb> [    9.224019] pci 0000:00:1d.7: EHCI: BIOS handoff failed (BIOS bug?) 01010001
[08:51] <thux> yes
[08:51] <smb> This seems to be the problem
[08:52] <thux> before that line it waits now
[08:52] <smb> Is USB working after this for you?
[08:52] <thux> yes
[08:53] <smb> If I read this message correctly there is a problem transferring control of usb from the bios to the kernel
[08:54] <thux> i have many usb devices plugged only hp laser sometimes not detected
[08:54] <smb> If there are settings in the bios to control usb support, you might play around with them. But often you want early usb support for usb keyboards
[08:54] <thux> yes i have that
[08:55] <apw> does the problem occur if you boot without any usb devices attached
[09:00] <apw> smb, i have both 945GME and GM45E's showing the issue
[09:02] <smb> apw, Ok, I also try to keep an eye on it. Though I am running mixed stuff, Jaunty userspace with -10.31 kernel and x-org-edgers X
[09:02] <apw> heh ... franenstein
[09:03] <smb> :) Ubuntu, Halloween edition ;-)
[09:03] <apw> actually thats interesting as these hangs can just as easily be a bad gpu usage from mesa as they can be kernel issues ... so ... a different mesa combination should be an interesting control
[09:03] <apw> i like the sounds of that ... Ubuntu, halloween
[09:03] <apw> horrific halloween
[09:03] <apw> shame we have used up HH
[09:04] <smb> Hehe, and its no animal...
[09:04] <smb> I should compare the mesa versions against yours. The edgers should in theory be near Karmic, shouldnt' they?
[09:04] <apw> halloween hyena
[09:05] <apw> yeah near, but i'd expect them to be ahead a little
[09:06] <smb> Mine are all 7.7.0-git20090911.a79eecb9-0ubuntu0tormod-jaunty
[09:09] <thux> there was a setting in bios for usb hand off and it was disabled, i enabled it and now it boots normally, thanks :)
[09:09] <thux> wonder why it was default disabled
[09:11] <smb> you're welcome. good to hear. Meh would not think about it... Maybe works better with the other OS...
[09:11] <thux> ah that i see
[10:08] <apw> cking, gnarl, did either of you report the sd card not mounting thingy
[10:08] <cking> nope
[10:08] <smb> apw, Don't think so... Though not mounting thingy is a bit broad
[10:09] <cking> it was steve who hit this issue
[10:10] <apw> oh welll i've filed 5 today, wahts one more
[10:10] <apw> if only i knew what the heck was meant to handle it
[10:11] <smb> apw, does it only affect sdhc or all or is the reader not detected?
[10:11] <smb> normally the reader would issue a udev event for a device getting ready (I think)
[10:17] <apw> the card is detected and the devices are all made, the partition table is read, and the p1 device is made
[10:17] <apw> its the next step, the mounting it and popping up boxes to show it that don't occur
[10:18] <smb> Is /media/bla created?
[10:18] <smb> Err well likely not
[10:18] <smb> as you say it does not get mounted
[10:20] <smb> In theory the partition scanning is also done in udev ... Do you get any error message in dmesg?
[10:22] <smb> I believe each partition should also do a uevent, then udev call blkid and create the symlinks /dev/disk/by-... The mount step might be device-kit...
[10:35] <apw> smb, no it doesn't get mounted
[10:35] <apw> the p1 device does get mounted
[10:36] <smb> apw, ??? huh
[10:37] <apw> _made_ sorry
[10:37] <apw> not mounted
[10:37] <apw> there are by-id files as well
[10:39] <smb> The id files at least show the partition got through blkid. I just cannot grep the statement about the p1 device. So nothing gets mounted, correct?
[10:43] <apw> i meant that it does partition discovery correctly and finds it has a partition and makes mmblk0p1 as well
[10:44] <apw> nothing is mounted as a result.  manual mount triggers gnome to find piccies etc
[10:44] <apw> i've filed it on gnome-volume-manager, bug #429257
[10:44] <ubot3> Malone bug 429257 in gnome-volume-manager "MMC cards no longer auto mount" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/429257
[10:44] <apw> i am a bug filing machine ... 4 today alone
[10:45] <smb> apw, Shame, you should fix them. ;-)
[10:45] <apw> na, i file them _you_ get to fix them
[10:45] <apw> most are these intel graphics hangs ... bah
[10:45] <smb> If its Karmic, I can' see it (yet) :)
[10:47] <smb> apw, But seriously, I am not completely sure, the automounting thing seemed to be tied to a desktop (so gnome) but (might check up on this later) might have moved to something more generic to work without a running desktop too...
[11:07] <apw> smb, yeah figured i file with gnome thingy as thats description included automounting, someone else can move it
[11:49] <cking> apw, I'm seeing a lot of messages: "TKIP: RX tkey->key_idx=2 frame keyidx=1 priv=de21d780" - is this new with the latest kernel?
[11:49] <apw> cking, hmmm not sure
[11:50] <apw> [   10.393047] lib80211_crypt: registered algorithm 'TKIP'
[11:50] <apw> changed your AP setup recently?
[11:50] <apw> not getting it here, but that is a WPA2 thing iirc ?
[11:51] <cking> yep, WPA2
[11:52] <cking> apw, I've rebooted my router today, surely, that's not caused this message?
[11:53] <apw> whats your driver here, that message appears to be in the rtl8187se driver
[11:54] <apw> looks to always have been in there
[11:54] <cking> it's the broadcom wl driver
[11:54] <cking> :-(
[11:54] <apw> yay
[11:55] <cking> nggg
[12:58]  * amitk welcomes csurbhi to the kernel team
[12:58] <smb> Hi csurbhi
[13:02] <csurbhi> Hi !
[13:02] <csurbhi> thanks Amit
[13:09]  * apw waves to csurbhi
[13:10] <csurbhi> hello apw :)
[13:20] <apw> csurbhi, so hows it going so far
[13:20] <csurbhi> reading up the docs and setting up accounts.. other than that.. descent
[13:20] <csurbhi> :)
[13:21] <smb> Luckily there is help close. :)
[13:21] <csurbhi> yes.. thats right
[13:25] <rtg> apw, I wonder why we have CONFIG_LIB80211_DEBUG enabled ?
[13:25] <rtg> csurbhi, howdy
[13:25] <csurbhi> okie dokie
[13:26] <apw> debian.master/config/config.common.ports:# CONFIG_LIB80211_DEBUG is not set
[13:26] <apw> debian.master/config/config.common.ubuntu:# CONFIG_LIB80211_DEBUG is not set
[13:26] <apw> rtg ?
[13:27] <smb> backports?
[13:27] <rtg> apw: hmm, then what kernel is pgraner running that he would get the 'CCMP: replay detected' message?
[13:28] <smb> updates/compat-wireless-2.6/config.mk:# CONFIG_LIB80211_DEBUG=y
[13:28] <apw> rtg ahh we jut hit that with cking, a couple of the WL drivers contain the whole damn 80211 stack in them with mods
[13:28] <apw> and it may be on there
[13:28] <rtg> apw: it is indeed enabled in LBM
[13:28] <smb> rtg, apw, Or he has LBM installed
[13:29] <cking> I have LBM installed
[13:29] <apw> i think pete has the cranky wl driver doesn't he?
[13:30] <rtg> apw, rt73 IIRC
[13:30] <rtg> apw: actually, rtl8187se
[13:30] <apw> cking, which rt driver did you have, it was that rtlxxxse one wasn;t it?
[13:31] <apw> that definatly has the 80211 in it en-toto
[13:31] <apw> a staging driver horror show and no mistake
[13:34] <cking> a;w
[13:34] <cking> apw, I saw this on my wl broadcom driver
[13:34] <apw> gibber
[13:35] <apw> its everywhere, and spreading :)
[13:38] <cking> it's on my HP mini 1000 ;-)
[14:07] <rtg> apw, how about Keybuk's ext4 patch? 'ext4: Don't update superblock write time when filesystem is read-only'
[14:08] <apw> i've not heard back from him that i know of on its effacacy
[14:08] <apw> Keybuk, did you get to test that kernel i did?
[14:09] <Keybuk> apw: did you ever e-mail it me?
[14:10] <apw> i pointed you to it on here ...
[14:10] <Keybuk> see, that never works :p
[14:10]  * Keybuk doesn't read IRC scrollback
[14:10] <apw> ahh ... damn
[14:10]  * apw finds it
[14:10]  * Keybuk finds his laptop under things
[14:11] <apw> http://people.canonical.com/~apw/lp427822-karmic/
[14:11] <apw> mine is burried in bugs
[14:11] <ogra> Keybuk, hmm, you only talk abour east of UTC
[14:11] <ogra> *about
[14:12] <ogra> Keybuk, (see #ubuntu-devel, loic-m is surely in france but seems to see a similar thing)
[14:12] <Keybuk> ogra: france is very much east of UTC
[14:12] <Keybuk> I realise that, historically speaking, they are very unhappy about that
[14:12] <Keybuk> and feel that the prime meridian of the world, and thus all timekeeping, should pass through Paris
[14:12]  * ogra must have gotten his sense of east and west wrong
[14:13] <apw> heh
[14:13] <Keybuk> but that was not the consensus of the rest of the world
[14:13] <Keybuk> and if they're still clinging to that, we can't help them :p
[14:13] <rtg> Keybuk, you're poking the hornets nest
[14:13] <apw> Keybuk, sorry about the email, i'll remember that for next time
[14:13] <Keybuk> rtg: it's a hobby ;)
[14:14]  * apw files his 7th bug of the day, sigh
[14:14] <Keybuk> apw: if I'm actually paying attention to IRC, it's usually ok - also /msg is always good - I save those and read them back
[14:14] <Keybuk> but things-on-a-channel I don't tend to notice if they go off the top of the screen while I'm not looking
[14:14] <apw> ahh right, fair enough
[14:15] <rtg> My use of IRC isn't much different.
[14:15] <rtg> its a lousy bug tracking mechanism
[14:15] <Keybuk> ogra: the recovery-while-read-only bug affects everyone from Britain (in Summer time) through Europe, across Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Asia, Indionesia and Australia and (I think) NZ
[14:15] <apw> all true
[14:15] <Keybuk> rtg: for me it's a getting-things-done defence
[14:16] <Keybuk> IRC is a productivity black hole
[14:16] <rtg> indeed
[14:16] <Keybuk> if I wake up and start reading through things like e-mail or IRC, then I may as well write off being productive in the morning
[14:16] <ogra> Keybuk, yeah, i always get the sides wrong here :P
[14:16] <Keybuk> and I find that people tend to notice when you're back and remind you about things anyway
[14:16] <Keybuk> ogra: what's nice is that it's the exact opposite of the init scripts bug
[14:17] <Keybuk> which only affected Merkins
[14:17] <ogra> heh
[14:17] <rtg> Keybuk, new topic. anything changed recently that I should investigate that slows the boot time on my SSD laptop? It used tyo be 28 seconds, but has gotten much longer since late last week.
[14:17] <Keybuk> rtg: I've noticed some slowdown with recent kernels myself
[14:17] <apw> my main laptop seems to take hours to login these days
[14:17] <Keybuk> both on SDD and HDD
[14:17] <apw> specially now as its hidden the feeling of length is even worse
[14:17] <Keybuk> I figured that the IO elevator of the week wasn't working as well as last weeks'
[14:18] <rtg> Keybuk, you think its kernel related?
[14:18] <Keybuk> rtg: I'm not sure what else has changed
[14:18] <apw> we added xsplash
[14:18] <apw> osd seems to have lost its mind
[14:18] <rtg> I'm watching the GDM throbber just sit there and flash at me, no disk activity
[14:19] <Keybuk> hmm
[14:19] <Keybuk> odd
[14:19] <Keybuk> couchdb?
[14:20] <rtg> dunno what couchdb is
[14:20] <Keybuk> silly desktop database stuff they added for Ubuntu One
[14:20] <Keybuk> it's quite heavy
[14:20] <apw> nnng
[14:20] <Keybuk> and seems to sit there for a few minutes
[14:20] <ogra> isnt it erlang too ?
[14:20] <apw> that reminds me it exploded on my other laptop
[14:20] <apw> ubuntu one
[14:20] <rtg> some serious bitching is in order if thats what it is
[14:20]  * ogra wonders how fast/slow erlang is compared to other langs
[14:21] <apw> can we tell from a bootchart
[14:21] <ogra> loading another interpreter during boot is surely not speeding up things
[14:21] <Keybuk> probably
[14:22] <apw> Keybuk, are we using sreadahead by default now, could that be contributing to slowness
[14:22] <apw> in the sense we are upgrading a lot, it will be loading old junk?
[14:24] <ogra> if you got a new apparmor profile it will definately slow down the next boot after that
[14:24] <Keybuk> apw: one of the main reasons we switched to sreadahead is that it reprofiles often
[14:24] <Keybuk> it may be simply that you upgrade before every reboot
[14:24] <Keybuk> so every boot sreadahead is profiling
[14:24] <Keybuk> (rather than assisting)
[14:24] <apw> now that i almost always do do yes
[14:24] <Keybuk> I've also noticed a strange issue that I think is ext4, but can't place it
[14:25] <Keybuk> after people upgraded to my PPA, and rebooted
[14:25] <Keybuk> they have a 4-6s "exe" process that seems to be somewhere around the point the root filesystem was mounted
[14:25] <Keybuk> it's almost as if, after major upgrades, ext4 has to do lots of work before it can mount the filesystem next time
[14:25] <Keybuk> that needs investigation
[14:26] <apw> its called 'exe' in the profiles?
[14:26] <Keybuk> yes
[14:26] <Keybuk> that's what confuses me
[14:27] <apw> how does the name get generated for the profiles, from the executable link?
[14:28] <apw> interestingly that link is call 'exe', so perhaps its what things get called which are not convertable back to a name
[14:28] <apw> i wonder if the chrooting madness and rm madness going on at root mount time leaves us with bad /proc/NNNN/exe links and bad names in the profile
[14:28] <apw> ie. it could be anything
[14:28] <Keybuk> right, that's what I think
[14:29] <Keybuk> that it's something run from the initramfs, just before it's cleaned up, so the link never exists
[14:29] <apw> hmmmmm
[14:30]  * apw goes for a couple of boots to see if that speeds things up
[14:39] <apw> Keybuk, i am getting 1m frm bios to X, 1:22 to bios to gdm, 34s gdm to desktop.  now this is a HDD, so i'd expect it to be what 30s total?
[14:39] <ogra> try a second one :)
[14:40] <apw> (that was second boot, so i assume sreadahead has done its thing)
[14:40] <apw> ogra, that was the second one
[14:40] <ogra> ah
[14:40] <apw> still seems like an insane length of time
[14:40] <ogra> i see a few added seconds every time i get an updated apparmor profile for an app
[14:40] <apw> ouch
[14:41] <ogra> which i was told is normal now
[14:41] <Keybuk> can you get a bootchart of that
[14:41] <ogra> since apparmor turns the profile textfiles into binary thingies
[14:41] <Keybuk> use bootchart=nostop on the kernel command line
[14:41] <Keybuk> then once you're a desktop, run sudo /etc/init.d/stop-bootchart start
[14:41] <apw> Keybuk, sure
[14:42] <apw> yay java ... sigh
[14:51] <ogra> apw, whats wrong with java ? ... as long as you dont have to touch its code it's usually fine :)
[15:05] <apw> Keybuk, ok got it, seems sreadahead runs for a full 90s, that seems unreasonable to me
[15:06] <Keybuk> apw: really?
[15:06] <Keybuk> when you login do "status sreadahead"
[15:06] <Keybuk> what does it say?
[15:06] <apw> apw@dm$ status sreadahead
[15:06] <apw> sreadahead stop/waiting
[15:08]  * apw pushed up the data to rookery
[15:08] <apw> if this image is to be believed, then it sustained like 44MB/s for that 90 odd seconds
[15:08] <apw> which is like 4GB of poop
[15:09] <apw> http://people.canonical.com/~apw/bootchart/
[15:11] <apw> does the green line on the bar there show instantaneough thorugh put?  of so its like 100k/s over that time?
[15:12]  * apw has a nother go
[15:20] <apw> Keybuk, ok the second boot was a little better, so lets assume the first one was a reconfigure or something
[15:20] <apw> device discovery takes like 20s alone
[15:21] <Keybuk> status sreadahead - if that says "stop/waiting" then your boot was assisted by sreadahead
[15:22] <Keybuk> if it says "stop/killed" or similar, then your boot was *reprofiled*
[15:22] <Keybuk> apw: the -2
[15:22] <Keybuk> that shows the exact same I/O weirdness that I see
[15:22] <apw> what bit?
[15:22] <Keybuk> the entire system spends most of its time in I/O wait
[15:22] <Keybuk> http://people.canonical.com/~apw/bootchart/dm-karmic-20090914-2.png
[15:22] <Keybuk> the two graphs along the top
[15:23] <Keybuk> the first graph, blue is CPU usage, red is I/O wait
[15:23] <Keybuk> the second graph, red is disk utilization, the green lines are throughput
[15:23] <apw> yep, so that would imply its nailed waiting for disk
[15:23] <Keybuk> so that's showing
[15:23] <Keybuk>  1. your system is spending almost all of its time in I/O wait (BAD BAD BAD BAD)
[15:23] <Keybuk>  2. your disk is continually utilized
[15:23] <Keybuk>  3. almost no throughput is being achieved, despite the continuous utilization
[15:23] <Keybuk> I'd also point out where this starts
[15:23] <apw> so read ahead is sucking?
[15:23] <Keybuk> deep inside the initramfs
[15:24] <Keybuk> in fact, last time I debugged this, it started as soon as you loaded the disk controller
[15:24] <Keybuk> which implies something seriously wrong in the kernel
[15:24] <rtg> apw, do you still have older kernels installed?
[15:24]  * apw would have a bunch of them yes
[15:25] <apw> i'll go back to something older and see
[15:25] <rtg> apw, IIRC -8 worked well.
[15:25] <apw> if its the kernel it would imply its more like kernel readahead sucking
[15:25] <apw> anyhow ... i'll try -8
[15:26] <Keybuk> apw: could be, though again, it starts in the initramfs
[15:26] <Keybuk> this is quite important
[15:26] <Keybuk> it starts *before* we mount the root filesystem
[15:26] <Keybuk> it starts before we even know which block device is the root filesystem
[15:27] <apw> could it just be bad stats rather than actual anything
[15:27] <apw> enough to throw off sreadahead
[15:28] <Keybuk> sreadahead doesn't look at stats
[15:28] <Keybuk> but I don't think it is bad stats
[15:29] <Keybuk> my Dell laptop has exactly this problem
[15:29] <Keybuk> and has had for a while now
[15:29] <apw> though my disk light is nailed ... and its rattling like hell
[15:29] <Keybuk> this is why you hear me whining continuously about I/O performance
[15:29] <Keybuk> *but* other laptops and hardware I have *do not*
[15:29] <apw> but there is io perf and io perf
[15:29] <apw> mine is a dell
[15:30] <Keybuk> I suspect it's controller related
[15:30] <apw> a horrible thouught
[15:33] <apw> -5 is as bad
[16:29] <Keybuk> apw: I have tested your kernel packages, and they are good
[16:52] <apw> Keybuk, most excellent
[16:53] <apw> Keybuk, i am assuming you will be going back to ted, and we'll get a pair of patches from you when thats ready?
[17:04] <apw> Keybuk, do you know waht this 'utilisation' on the disk actually is, which stat it is
[17:04] <apw> we don't seem to have any form of actual 'how utilised is the disk' number in the numbers collected by bootchart
[17:06] <erichammond> jjohansen, pgraner: Is there an EC2 kernel status meeting now?
[17:07] <pgraner> jjohansen: ^^^^^^^^????
[17:07] <apw> its at this time in my calender
[17:08] <apw> (modulo google being pants)
[17:08] <jjohansen> ah yes
[17:09] <jjohansen> just a sec
[17:09] <pgraner> apw: pants, pants, pants... that gcal is
[17:09] <apw> so very true
[17:09] <rtg> erichammond, lool has approved the linux-ec2 package for main inclusion, so perhaps I can get it built today.
[17:09] <smoser> here
[17:10] <jjohansen> alright lets begin
[17:10] <jjohansen> This is the EC2 kernel status update meeting
[17:11] <jjohansen> as far as I am aware the only change since thursday/friday is the state of bug #427288
[17:11] <ubot3> Malone bug 427288 in eglibc "Karmic i386 EC2 kernel emulating unsupported memory accesses" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/427288
[17:11] <jjohansen> which was fixed in glibc
[17:12] <erichammond> smoser: Can a new AMI be created to test this fix?
[17:12] <jjohansen> it looks like there is some packaging work to be done as well
[17:12] <rtg> smoser, have you been able to test this?
[17:13] <smoser> i have not tested this yet, but will do that today.
[17:13] <smoser> erichammond, i think publishing a new ami for it doesn't make sense given alpha 6 on thursday
[17:14] <jjohansen> smoser: so are we then planning on rolling out a new ami with the karmic kernel
[17:14] <jjohansen> minus this glibc fix
[17:15] <smoser> i'm planing on alpha6 using the karmic kernel
[17:15] <smoser> jjohansen, also, i opened bug 428692
[17:15] <ubot3> Malone bug 428692 in ubuntu "ec2 kernel needs CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y and other config changes" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/428692
[17:15] <jjohansen> smoser: thanks
[17:15] <rtg> smoser, why _wouldn't_ you use the new glibc? Isn't that what the alphas are for?
[17:16] <smoser> i did not intend to say i wouldnt
[17:16] <smoser> i hope to get 427288 "all the way fixed" for alpha6
[17:16] <jjohansen> ah, I missed interpreted, no point in rolling out a new ami before alpha6, right?
[17:17] <erichammond> smoser: My opinion is that if we can test a fix, we should do it sooner rather than later.  Are we saying that the fix won't be in glibc until alpha6?
[17:18] <smoser> I'll test it. it can easily be tested just by apt-get update && apt-get install libc6-xen and reboot
[17:19] <erichammond> smoser: nice, thanks.
[17:19] <smoser> then, i'll make sure that we get libc6-xen into the ami, and that that ami will not get the error. but i dont plan on publishing another ami with all that incorporated prior to alpha6
[17:19] <erichammond> smoser: When you publish an AMI are you building it from scratch with vmbuilder or are you simply uploading and registering the daily image which is automatically created?
[17:20] <smoser> i much prefer to use the nightly
[17:20] <smoser> if that werent' sufficient, then i'd re-spin the nightly in the same way, just at a later date
[17:21] <erichammond> smoser: Ok.  How often is the code updated which is used to build the nightly?  I thought I saw that you pinged soren to manually update it recently.
[17:21] <lool> rtg: It was still in NEW when I looked though
[17:21] <smoser> erichammond, you're correct
[17:22] <smoser> we do need a long term solution for that.
[17:22] <lool> rtg: (Thanks for clarifying the doc question BTW)
[17:22] <rtg> lool, right. how long will it sit there before getting accepted?
[17:22] <lool> rtg: I'm not archive admin; it's up to them
[17:22] <rtg> lool, so, just find the Monday guy and hassle him?
[17:22] <lool> Digging the Ubuntu wiki page
[17:22] <lool> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration
[17:22] <lool> #
[17:22] <lool> Monday: SteveLangasek; JamesWestby
[17:22] <lool> rtg: You could I guess
[17:23] <lool> rtg: slangasek seems like a good target; he knows about the source package and how it's constructed
[17:23] <lool> rtg: I expect that if the copyright was properly updated for the Xen patches it should be ok
[17:24] <rtg> lool, uh, I didn't see that mentioned anywhere.
[17:24] <lool> rtg: Well it's not MIR related, it's NEW related
[17:24] <lool> rtg: Source packages have to document their copyright properly before they enter the archive, right?
[17:24] <lool> My role was just in approving the move of this package from universe to main
[17:25] <rtg> lool, AFAIK there are no copyright issues.
[17:25] <lool> Since it's built like the other kernel packages which are in main already and since the kernel team will care for it, I dont have a big issue with another one
[17:25] <rtg> everything is gplv2
[17:25] <lool> k
[17:25] <Keybuk> apw: yes, I've already sent ted a note
[17:25] <erichammond> (I'm lost, is this still part of the EC2 status?)
[17:26] <Keybuk> apw: I think it comes from /proc/diskstats
[17:26] <lool> rtg: debian/copyright usually mentions where stuff was taken from, which license it's under and who owns copyright; that said this last bit probably isn't maintainable in the copyright file so I guess you would refer to the list of AUTHORS or something similar or just omit it
[17:26] <rtg> erichammond, sorry, lool and I were discussing linux-ec2 acceptance.
[17:26] <lool> (Is this a meeting?)
[17:26] <rtg> lool, 'tis
[17:27] <Keybuk> apw: bootchart logs /proc/stat, /proc/diskstats and /proc/*/stat
[17:27] <Keybuk> all chart information is derived from that
[17:27] <rtg> jjohansen, are we done?
[17:27] <jjohansen> I believe so
[17:28] <jjohansen> anyone else?
[17:28] <erichammond> smoser's second bug has not been addressed.
[17:28] <lool> Ok /me disappears then, sorry for interrupting
[17:28] <erichammond> bug 428692
[17:28] <ubot3> Malone bug 428692 in ubuntu "ec2 kernel needs CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y and other config changes" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/428692
[17:28] <Keybuk> isn't DEV_LOOP=y already?
[17:29] <rtg> Keybuk, it is for the master branch
[17:29] <jjohansen> Keybuk: not in EC2 build currently
[17:29] <smoser> the bug is really "make the ec2 kernel more like -server"
[17:29] <rtg> smoser, I see that. I'll see what I can do
[17:29] <smoser> but explicitly, users have already asked for CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y
[17:30] <jjohansen> smoser: you also wanted KEXEC :)
[17:30] <apw> Keybuk, from waht i can see the utilisation is a number of ticks that there was an io on the queue... so that means 1 io has the basic same effect on the table as 10
[17:31] <Keybuk> apw: it doesn't seem to be translated into binary though, it appears as an analogue graph
[17:31] <smoser> jjohansen, yes, but you dont want to support it. so i wasn't going to explicitly ask :)
[17:31] <Keybuk> and, most importantly
[17:31] <Keybuk> I have machines which *don't* have that I/O graph
[17:31] <Keybuk> and they boot much faster, with identical installs
[17:32] <jjohansen> smoser: right
[17:32] <apw> Keybuk, right if the io is very empty then it would be empty, or if the queue is empty any time in the sampling tick the answer will be less than 1.0, but if its got 1 io for all the time then its 1.0 same as if its 100 io for all the time
[17:32] <apw> ie, its pretty much saying if read ahead worked even badly the block should be 'full' utilisation wise
[17:32] <jjohansen> all right if there is nothing else, we will call the EC2 kernel meeting adjourned
[17:33] <apw> seems a bit pointless
[17:33] <erichammond> This may also be the place and time to discuss bug 429169 as some of the alternatives affect the kernel.
[17:33] <ubot3> Malone bug 429169 in vm-builder "ec2: Include kernel modules in AMIs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/429169
[17:33] <Keybuk> apw: but the output doesn't support that
[17:33] <Keybuk> we have graphs which are quite fluid
[17:33] <Keybuk> suggesting it doesn't behave that way
[17:33] <apw> suggesting the data doesn't always mean the same perhaps
[17:33] <Keybuk> http://people.canonical.com/~scott/boot-performance/sam-karmic-20090721-8.png
[17:33] <Keybuk> for example
[17:34] <apw> but thats what they are according to the docs
[17:34] <Keybuk> I tend to disbelieve any documentation of things in /proc
[17:34] <Keybuk> they're hopelessly out of date
[17:34] <Keybuk> especially on that graph above
[17:34] <Keybuk> note how the I/O wait goes *flat*
[17:34] <apw> well no that graph looks pretty the same, mostly high when read ahead is high
[17:34] <Keybuk> you don't see that on machines "affected" by this I/O issue
[17:34] <Keybuk> right
[17:35] <Keybuk> but the whole point is that on my Dell, the graph goes high when readahead isn't even running
[17:35] <Keybuk> and remains high after it finished
[17:35] <apw> yeah i think the graph we have on my machine literlally only says IO isn't going very fast
[17:35] <ogra> amitk, any chance we see a new imx51 kernel before the freeze ?
[17:35] <Keybuk> and
[17:35] <Keybuk> key
[17:35] <apw> and so the IO wait is high all the time
[17:35] <Keybuk> *the throughput on the disk is virtually zero*
[17:35] <Keybuk> that to me suggests that the I/O queue is getting stuck
[17:35] <Keybuk> that things are waiting for I/O
[17:35] <Keybuk> and the kernel isn't actually bothering to service them
[17:36] <Keybuk> since I've seen bugs exactly like this, where the kernel stops doing I/O, I'm inclined to believe that there is a bug here and it's not a charting issue
[17:36] <erichammond> jjohansen, smoser: Did I not speak in time to keep the meeting going?
[17:36] <jjohansen> erichammond, smoser: I think it would be appropriate to take that discussion over to #ubuntu-server
[17:36] <smoser> ok
[17:37] <Keybuk> (just looking up the bug number)
[17:37] <Keybuk> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/336652
[17:37] <ubot3> Malone bug 336652 in linux "Poor system performance under I/O load" [Medium,Triaged]
[17:37]  * apw notes that the green line is very low agian even in your one ... odd
[17:38] <erichammond> jjohansen: Two of the options relate to building things into the kernel and/or ramdisk, but it is quieter over on #ubuntu-server
[17:38] <jjohansen> erichammond: that is why I suggested it
[17:38] <Keybuk> apw: on the sam one, the green line is at least trying to lift when there is I/O wait
[17:38] <Keybuk> what worries me about yours (and my other laptop) is that the green line stays flat even when there is I/O wait
[17:39] <apw> the green line in mine is the same pattern
[17:39] <apw> its that there is no gaps in the wait that its not so obvious
[17:39] <apw> not that that means there isn't an issue, it taking 100years to boot demonstrates that on its own
[17:39] <Keybuk> no, yours shows a different pattern
[17:40] <Keybuk> you have red I/O wait almost all the time
[17:40] <Keybuk> with a flat green line
[17:40] <apw> what i don't really understand is why sreadahead isn't able to get its shit onto the queues
[17:40] <Keybuk> that implies waiting for I/O without any disk throughput
[17:40] <apw> nope it has two distinct lists
[17:40] <Keybuk> which leans me to I/O queue stall
[17:40] <apw> lifts one where you first block is, and the second where you 51mb/s is
[17:40] <Keybuk> yes
[17:40] <Keybuk> but it's otherwise flat
[17:40] <Keybuk> even though you have I/O wait
[17:41] <Keybuk> on http://people.canonical.com/~scott/boot-performance/sam-karmic-20090721-8.png
[17:41] <Keybuk> there is
[17:41] <Keybuk>  a) *far* less I/O wait
[17:41] <apw> yep, that is cause sreadahead is take soooo long to do its thing
[17:41] <Keybuk> in fact, much of the top of the graph is blue, not red
[17:41] <apw> its pushing in a dribble of io which accounts for the queue
[17:41] <Keybuk> and every point there is I/O wait, there is continual lift
[17:41] <Keybuk> apw: please disregard sreadahead
[17:41] <apw> the question is why is read ahead not occuring in 2-4 s in mine than yours
[17:41] <Keybuk> if you like, comment out the "start on" from /etc/init/sreadahead.conf
[17:42] <Keybuk> and you'll see the same pattern
[17:42] <Keybuk> right
[17:42] <apw> Keybuk, i can't as its likely the cuase of constant wait
[17:42] <Keybuk> sreadahead being unable to push I/O is a symptom of the bug
[17:42] <apw> likely yes
[17:42] <Keybuk> not the bug
[17:42] <apw> indeed ...
[17:42] <Keybuk> and if you remove sreadahead, you still see the exact same pattern
[17:42] <Keybuk> which fits
[17:42] <Keybuk> because
[17:42] <Keybuk> as I do keep pointing out
[17:42] <Keybuk> your problems start several seconds before sreadahead is even started ;)
[17:42] <Keybuk> sreadhead starts at 5s
[17:43] <apw> well you have to be careful with that statement, as all yo ucan tell is that there is 1 page on the queue during that perios
[17:43] <Keybuk> but you've already been in large I/O wait for a couple of seconds with no throughput by then
[17:43] <Keybuk> there shouldn't be any pages on the queue
[17:43] <apw> we have no idea if thats 1 block or 10000 blocks for a short time
[17:43] <Keybuk> or there should be disk throughput
[17:43] <apw> on -2 there is a lift in throughput with the fvery first spike of red
[17:43] <apw> its small but there
[17:44] <Keybuk> so why is there I/O wait after the lieft
[17:44] <apw> there isn't the lift drops as does the wait
[17:44] <Keybuk> ok
[17:44] <apw> there is a similar width gap then it starts again, lift + wait
[17:44] <Keybuk> try something for me
[17:44] <Keybuk> boot without sreadahead
[17:44] <apw> yep will do that, seems most logical to confirm your theory
[17:44] <apw> how did i do that?
[17:44] <Keybuk> edit /etc/init/sreadhead.conf
[17:44] <Keybuk> comment out the "start on" line
[17:44] <apw> (and i do believe it in principle
[17:45] <apw> just its not proven to me yet) and if its right the debug will be nasty
[17:45] <Keybuk> I can't find the bug I was looking for though yet
[17:45] <Keybuk> I had an actual test case where I could stall "dd" on this machine
[17:45] <apw> launchpad hates us all
[17:46] <Keybuk> in a way that the kernel had decided that dd was doing no more I/O and could block on read() forever
[17:47] <apw> that sounds like the sort of thing you see with barriers in the queue
[17:47] <Keybuk> annoyingly, I have a feeling it was when I was trying to back up my old laptop hard drive
[17:47] <Keybuk> so I don't even have the logs, because the hard drive has obviously been replaced ;)
[17:48] <Keybuk> but basically, yes, on this machine I find that any attempt to do large amounts of I/O get extremely slow
[17:48] <Keybuk> readahead included
[17:48] <Keybuk> pitti has a similar laptop, and confirmed my results
[17:48] <Keybuk> but the XPS 1330 for example *does not* have the same problem
[17:54] <pgraner> Keybuk: anything similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/392288
[17:54] <ubot3> Malone bug 392288 in linux "dd extremely slow writing to usb key without oflag=dsync" [Medium,Triaged]
[17:56] <Keybuk> pgraner: I don't think so, on the basis that I was having these problems on jaunty
[17:56] <Keybuk> (it was during Berlin that I had the dd-stall issue)
[17:56] <pgraner> Keybuk: ack
[17:57] <Keybuk> (I've had the abysmal I/O performance on this laptop for several releases now, it's not a "new" bug
[17:58] <Keybuk>  if I were to guess, I'd say it was edgy or feisty that it started)
[18:09] <apw> Keybuk, ok ... the readahead less case is faster booting
[18:10] <apw> there is wait along the way as predicted, though depending how the driver calcs that stat we might expect that
[18:10] <apw> its a poor metric at best
[18:11] <apw> of course readahead getting behind would account for the worse with readahead mode too
[18:12] <apw> so all pointing to poor io performance full stpo
[18:12] <apw> stop
[18:12] <Keybuk> yeah
[18:12] <Keybuk> don't suppose you could time how long sreadahead takes?
[18:13] <Keybuk> time sreadahead --debug --no-fork
[18:13] <apw> on my machine it was 90s
[18:13] <apw> if i run it once booted it takes like 0
[18:13] <Keybuk> ok
[18:13] <Keybuk> boot with init=/bin/bash
[18:13] <Keybuk> then run it (with those args)
[18:14]  * apw tries your incantation
[18:14]  * apw notes it running for some time, no IO obvious
[18:14] <apw> 15s
[18:14] <Keybuk> weird
[18:15] <Keybuk> so that took 15s to do nothing?
[18:15] <apw> and also notes it complains about not being oable to open things
[18:15] <apw> sda/queue/read_ahead_kb for one
[18:15] <apw> which sounds bad to me
[18:17] <apw> Keybuk, that does seem about how it felt yes
[18:19] <apw> Keybuk, does your machine (thats slow) have its root in an extended partition?
[18:21] <Keybuk> no
[18:21] <Keybuk> /dev/sda1
[18:22] <apw> Keybuk, i can't get it to do any actual readahead calls in debug mode
[18:26] <Keybuk> you need both arguments
[18:27] <apw> Keybuk, have both as in --debug --no-fork
[18:27] <Keybuk> yes
[18:28] <apw> Keybuk, i am worried by mdz's bug #429001 ... that warn on there is triggered by what appears to be ftrace on opens, and if i am reading sreadahead right it turns that on... could it be its failing to turn it off again ... as he had it on still when he suspend/resumed much later
[18:28] <ubot3> Malone bug 429001 in linux "WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.31/kernel/trace/ring_buffer.c:1393 rb_add_time_stamp+0x79/0x200()" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/429001
[18:30] <Keybuk> I don't think it should fail to turn it off
[18:30] <Keybuk> unless he killed it;)
[18:31] <apw> he is running your boot ppa's so anything possible :)
[18:32] <Keybuk> mdz's laptop is a strange beast
[18:32] <Keybuk> also sreadahead only turns on ftrace when profiling
[18:32] <Keybuk> not in "normal operation"
[18:45] <apw> bah it just fooked its own db
[19:10] <apw> Keybuk, ok i am finding that running the read ahead on my laptop after dropping caches takes 30s, if i make it single thread not 4 threads it takes 15s
[19:11] <Keybuk> right, you have a HDD
[19:12] <Keybuk> but I don't see what about HDDs makes that need to happen, when on SDD you have the exact opposite behaviour
[19:12] <apw> the threads can out of order the requests badly and make the disk thrash i guess
[19:12] <apw> i guess we can actually tell now, there is a rotational flag in the device so we could use that to check
[19:14] <apw> Keybuk, /sys/block/sda/queue/rotational seems to tell us
[19:15] <apw> as sreadahead is in there already it could check and change behavior
[19:15] <Keybuk> that's handy
[19:15] <apw> one assumes its cause seek latency is essentially 0 on ssd
[19:16] <Keybuk> I actually already have the sreadahead patches to use a single thread ;)
[19:16] <Keybuk> but I also found in testing that you then need sreadhead to *block* the boot
[19:16] <Keybuk> ie. single thread and other stuff in background = bad
[19:16] <Keybuk> (which fits with readahead-list)
[19:16] <Keybuk> but then I noticed slow down unless the readahead pack was not sorted ideally for HDD
[19:16] <apw> hmmm, thats not hot either is it
[19:16] <Keybuk> and I hadn't done the "ideal sort" bit yet
[19:17] <apw> this is all a bit of a nightmare
[19:17] <apw> just trying a single thread one on my machine
[19:17] <apw> but still in parallell
[19:17] <Keybuk> I wrote a very long mail about this
[19:17] <apw> i know ... i remember reading it
[19:18] <apw> i wonder if letting it run single in parallel but skipping the first few files deliberatly would work
[19:18] <apw> as that would hold the boot in the sense those required io's would get the boot behind readahead
[19:18] <Keybuk> I don't follow
[19:19] <Keybuk> still don't follow
[19:19] <apw> the risk is if the boot ever gets ahead of where the read ahead is we can make things much worse
[19:19] <apw> as its reading stuff we no longer need and already ready
[19:19] <Keybuk> still don't follow
[19:19] <Keybuk> we never do that
[19:19] <Keybuk> sreadahead is the first thing started
[19:20] <Keybuk> the problem on HDD isn't that the boot gets ahead
[19:20] <Keybuk> it's that we're inherently seeking the disk all over the place
[19:21] <Keybuk> back after dinner
[19:21] <Keybuk> will try to use that rotational flag and merge my other sreadahead updates to do the foreground stuff
[19:21] <Keybuk> see if it makes a difference
[19:25] <apw> yeah ... tricky
[19:25] <apw> ok from 15 -> 10s if i stop it using low IO priority
[19:29] <amitk> ogra: yes, I am hoping for a imx51 upload tomorrow.
[19:30] <ogra> amitk, oh, ok
[19:30] <amitk> had already discussed it with rtg
[19:31] <ogra> yeah i saw that last week but couldnt remember the outcome
[19:32] <amitk> ogra: http://people.canonical.com/~amitk/mx51/linux-image-2.6.31-100-imx51_2.6.31-101.8_armel.deb is a preview if you want to play
[20:29] <Keybuk> apw: interesting on the scheduler
[20:30] <Keybuk> is that changeable per-device or ?
[21:48] <apw> Keybuk, yep per device on the fly, look for queue/scheduler in the device
[21:52] <Keybuk> if we stayed in the foreground, and blasted the readahead list for an HDD before letting the boot continue
[21:52] <Keybuk> whilst setting the io priority to realtime, and the scheduler to deadline
[21:52] <Keybuk> that might work better?


[08:09] <mup> Bug #1842287 changed: Node deploy options without writing to secondary disks or storage <sts> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1842287>
[08:12] <mup> Bug #1842287 opened: Node deploy options without writing to secondary disks or storage <sts> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1842287>
[08:21] <mup> Bug #1842287 changed: Node deploy options without writing to secondary disks or storage <sts> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1842287>
[09:30] <mup> Bug #1845928 opened: [Feature request] Configurable maas-proxy ports <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1845928>
[09:42] <mup> Bug #1845928 changed: [Feature request] Configurable maas-proxy ports <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1845928>
[09:48] <mup> Bug #1845928 opened: [Feature request] Configurable maas-proxy ports <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1845928>
[12:06] <mup> Bug #1770141 changed: [2.4b3] When SMART is not supported on a drive, some tests pass and some are skipped <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1770141>
[17:19] <mup> Bug #1845928 changed: [Feature request] Configurable maas-proxy ports <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1845928>
[17:22] <mup> Bug #1845788 changed: Failed to deploy Disco i386: Unable to locate package grub-efi-i386 <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1845788>