[00:32] <mapota> Hi All, I have mythTV running and am getting some scheduling conflicts. I have three playtv units (with each allowing 4 multirec recordings) so 6 tuners total with 24 if you count the virtuals. I am still getting some conflicts though. I would like to try and determine why. Is there information on what the codes means when using "mythbackend -v schedule"?
[00:35] <mapota> i.e. there is a line in the log "Title - Subtitle       CH Station   Day  Start End    S C I   T N Pri". Some of them are obvious but, I am unsure of S C I T and N!!
[01:02] <Bhaal> Anyone had problems with lirc not responding after a resume?  If I restart lirc then all is good for a little while, but its as if it keeps falling asleep or something...
[01:02] <Bhaal> Uh, I am running mythbuntu 12.04
[01:45] <amejia_> anyone mind telling me where the packaging of mythtv for ubuntu is?
[01:46] <mapota> www.mythbuntu.org has some isos, ubuntu based with mythtv packaged on top
[01:47] <amejia_> i meant where the actual development of the packaging occurs
[01:47] <amejia_> i'm guessing this is it 'bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythtv/mythtv-master'
[01:47] <Zinn> [bazaar.launchpad.net] ~mythbuntu/mythtv/mythtv-master : changes
[01:47] <tgm4883> amejia, that's correct
[01:47] <tgm4883> amejia, what are you trying to do?
[01:48] <tgm4883> amejia_, https://code.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-weekly-build might be beneficial for you too
[01:48] <Zinn> [code.launchpad.net] mythbuntu-weekly-build : Code : Mythbuntu
[01:49] <amejia_> tgm4883: well, i would like my name updated in the Uploaders field
[01:49] <amejia_> should now be 'Andres Mejia<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:49] <amejia_> superm1: ^^^
[01:49] <amejia_> i don't have permissions to push anyway
[01:50] <Bhaal> Hmmmm, ok, so I have narrowed lirc crashing down to: irsend timing out sending something
[01:51] <Bhaal> by something I mean one the ir signals
[01:51] <amejia_> tgm4883: i think you had that blueprint open to have xbmc in official ubuntu repos
[01:51] <amejia_> tgm4883: xbmc is already available in the repos
[01:51] <tgm4883> yea I closed that blueprint when I saw you guys get it added
[01:52] <amejia_> ok :)
[01:53] <tgm4883> amejia_, should be fixed in revision 546
[01:54] <amejia_> tgm4883: ok great
[01:54] <amejia_> superm1: tgm4883: ok well i'm getting ready for an upload of mythtv to experimental
[01:55] <amejia_> even though mythtv still uses internal ffmpeg, i think an upload to experimental is fine
[01:55] <amejia_> oh, and i mean Debian experimental
[01:55] <Bhaal> Hmmm, ok problem solved...  Seems irsend didn't like sending the 'power' command with a count of 3...
[01:56] <tgm4883> amejia, make that 547 :)
[01:57] <amejia_> ah i see ok
[01:58] <amejia_> yeah, i think an upload to experimental maybe ok, and you can still sync from there for ubuntu
[01:58] <amejia_> experimental can be used to continue working on mythtv up until mythtv is at least release ready for Debian
[01:58] <amejia_> i.e. it uses system libav instead
[01:59] <amejia_> anyway, i'm not exactly familiar with bzr
[02:00] <amejia_> can you make bzr branches similar to git branches?
[02:01] <tgm4883> amejia_, what do you mean?
[02:01] <tgm4883> i'm not too familiar with git ;)
[02:01] <amejia_> oh man :/
[02:02] <tgm4883> and really, I'm not super familiar with bzr either, I know enough to make my own branches, pull and push changes, etc
[02:02] <amejia_> ok you said your own branches
[02:02] <amejia_> how do you do that?
[02:02] <amejia_> bzr checkout <name of new branch>?
[02:03] <tgm4883> bzr branch <name of branch>
[02:03] <tgm4883> that will make a local copy of the branch
[02:03] <tgm4883> well, make a copy
[02:03] <tgm4883> I haven't tested it, but I don't see why it couldn't be local
[02:04] <tgm4883> yea local works as well
[02:04] <amejia_> anyway to push remotely so that others can see?
[02:04] <tgm4883> bzr push <location to push it>
[02:05] <tgm4883> so if I wanted to push it to my stuff on launchpad, I could do
[02:05] <tgm4883> bzr push lp:~tgm4883/mythbuntu/mythtv-fixes
[02:06] <tgm4883> so tgm4883 would own the branch, it would show up under the mythbuntu project with the name mythtv-fixes
[02:06] <amejia_> how will it be viewable through the web interface?
[02:07] <tgm4883> amejia_, you can view all of my branches here https://code.launchpad.net/~tgm4883 (so anything owned by the user tgm4883)
[02:07] <Zinn> [code.launchpad.net] Code : Thomas Mashos
[02:07] <tgm4883> so see anything owned by the mythbuntu project, it would be
[02:07] <tgm4883> https://code.launchpad.net/mythbuntu
[02:07] <Zinn> [code.launchpad.net] Code : Mythbuntu
[02:08] <amejia_> let's see then
[02:11] <amejia_> excellent
[02:11] <amejia_> and so i (or someone) can pull my changes and merge to the main master branch correct?
[02:12] <tgm4883> yes
[02:12] <amejia_> great
[02:12] <tgm4883> via the web interface, you can request a merge to another branch
[02:12] <tgm4883> I'm unsure if you can do that via the cmd line
[02:14] <amejia_> ok on to something else
[02:14] <amejia_> superm1: tgm4883: this whole thing of wanting to upload at least to experimental came from this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=570611#109
[02:14] <Zinn> [bugs.debian.org] #570611 - ITP: mythtv -- A personal video recorder application - Debian Bug report logs
[02:14] <amejia_> i think this would be ok, since it wouldn't be in a security-supported release
[02:15] <amejia_> i would have done this for xbmc but i never thought of it before actually
[02:16] <amejia_> there's another message from Christian Marillat http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=570611#104
[02:16] <Zinn> [bugs.debian.org] #570611 - ITP: mythtv -- A personal video recorder application - Debian Bug report logs
[02:16] <amejia_> i saw that the ubuntu packaging of mythtv is also from Matt Zimmerman
[02:16] <amejia_> do you guys derive anything from the mythtv packages in debian-multimedia.org?
[02:16] <Zinn> [debian-multimedia.org] Debian Multimedia Packages::Home
[02:17] <tgm4883> amejia, IDK, superm1 was packaging mythtv for Ubuntu long before Mythbuntu was created
[02:17] <amejia_> ok
[02:18] <amejia_> well i for one don't want to use dmo's mythtv packaging, especially if it's not what's used in ubuntu
[02:18] <amejia_> dmo maintainer, Christian, is quite a character i'm afraid
[04:21] <superm1> amejia: ah interesting
[04:22] <superm1> so our packaging was in line with d-mo for a bit, but there are some patches /changes that christian didn't take so we started to go our separate ways with the packaging
[04:22] <superm1> upstream is in full support of the packaging as it stands for ubuntu right now
[04:23] <superm1> which i don't know can be said the same for d-mo.org's packaging (there was some special patching at one point that caused a world of trouble)
[04:23] <Zinn> [d-mo.org] D-mo
[04:23] <superm1> i'll add you to the uploaders field on both fixes and master
[04:23] <superm1> what you want to upload to experimental is -fixes
[04:24] <superm1> eg http://code.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu-mythtv-fixes
[04:24] <superm1> to build a tarball from it, call debian/rules get-git-source and you end up with a tarball of the latest release in debian/changelog
[04:29] <tgm4883> superm1, I already added him
[04:29] <superm1> tgm4883: oh ok, thanks
[04:29] <tgm4883> I couldn't remember which control file to add him to, so I did both
[04:30] <superm1> if it makes more sense to move our packaging somewhere else so it's manageable from amejia and other debian maintainers i don't mind doing that as long as we're able to commit to that place too
[04:30] <superm1> and we can keep the split between fixes/master
[04:30] <superm1> i guess if we went to git that wouldn't be so hard to just have branches
[04:31] <superm1> it would be really awesome if we could create a debian PPA too, i wonder if launchpad has that on the roadmap
[06:02] <len> After upgrading to Mythbuntu boxes to 12.04 I stopped being able to use the ctrl+alt+<fx> keys to open virtual terminals on both boxes.  After testing I discovered that if I log out so i'm back at the lightdm login screen they start working again.  They only do not work once I've logged into a graphical session.  I think my problem it that something is capturing my cntrl+alt keys and not letting the ctrl+alt+f1, f2, f3, etc sequences
[06:02] <len> though.  What could be blocking this.  It worked fine on both machines before updating and now works on neither.
[06:04] <len> btw, this only happened on my mythbuntu boxes.  I also upgraded two kubuntu boxes to 12.04 and they can open switch to virtual terminal session while logged into an x-session just like they always could.
[06:04] <len> *two mythbuntu boxes
[06:18] <mycosys> any likely gotchas with http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=10&id2=179&bid=2&sid=83154 or with http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=10&id2=179&bid=2&sid=84206
[06:18] <Zinn> [www.umart.com.au] Umart Online
[06:19] <mycosys> VIA VT1708S and  ALC887 both likely to be ok with 5.1 audio and upmixing?
[06:20] <mycosys> my sad old nforce4 board isnt :(
[06:20]  * mycosys makes pouty face
[06:21] <mycosys> len pl tell me if u find out what cos i have been tryign to do this for years
[06:22] <mycosys> or even better remap em
[06:23] <mycosys> superm1 any clue?
[06:23] <len> mycosys, you haven't been able to ctrl-alt-<f-key> to a virtual term for years?
[06:24] <mycosys> no - i havent been able to stop it happening
[06:24] <mycosys> you used to be able to move em, but no longer
[06:25] <len> It's always worked for for me on every system I've ever used, except these two mythbuntu boxes after upgrading to 12.04.
[06:25] <mycosys> exactly - read again
[06:25] <len> mycosys, why doen't you want to be able to do that?
[06:25] <mycosys> i have a HID remote whose only failing it thst it has keys for ctrl-alt-f1-4
[06:26] <mycosys> it is MILES better than my wmc remotes
[06:26] <mycosys>  would just love to be able to use those keys, and not have to pull out the kb when i hit em accidentally
[06:26] <len> Hmmm.  I've never seen anything quite like that before.
[06:27] <mycosys> there used to be xserver settings you could use to change it co another combo
[06:27] <mycosys> but they quietly ceased working
[06:29] <len> I only lose the ablilty do switch to virtual consoles will in x-sesson.  As soon as I logout back to lightdm, they start working again.
[06:30] <len> suppose I'll have to just start wacking away daemons one at a time to see if ability comes back.
[06:31] <len> Same thing must be happening to other people two though, 'cause it happened to both my mythbuntu boxes.
[06:32] <len> My guess is they it is happening to a lot of people, but so few people actually use the virtual terms they don't notices they can't activate them.
[06:32] <len> sorry about all the typos
[06:40] <mycosys> Option "VTSysReq" "boolean"
[06:40] <mycosys>     enables the SYSV-style VT switch sequence for non-SYSV systems which support VT switching. This sequence is Alt-SysRq followed by a function key (Fn). This prevents the Xorg server trapping the keys used for the default VT switch sequence, which means that clients can access them. Default: off.
[06:41] <mycosys> but it doesnt work
[06:41] <mycosys> Option "DontVTSwitch"  "boolean"  This disallows the use of the Ctrl+Alt+Fn sequence (where Fn refers to one of the numbered function keys).  That sequence is normally used to switch to another "virtual terminal" on operating systems that have this feature.  When this option is enabled, that key sequence has no special meaning and is passed to clients.  Default: off.
[06:41] <mycosys> also doesnt work propertly
[06:43] <mycosys> but that would kill them entirely, rather than remap
[06:43] <mycosys> is sad that a documented feature just disappeared, but stayed documented lol
[07:03] <len> Well, it must be a new kernel driver for the logitech ex100 keyboard.  I plugged in a regular wired keyboard, and it could get vt's from within an x-session.
[07:03] <len> Both the systems exhibiting his new behavior use logitech ex100 keyboards.
[07:04] <len> I wonder if this is a bug or a "feature"
[07:06] <len> Of course wireless devices have been wacky ever since they move ir  remotes in kernel.
[07:07] <len> Maybe the remapping I had to do to get my remotes working effected the keyboard somehow.
[07:08] <len> mycos, why not just remap the scancodes for the keys causing the problems to other keycodes?
[07:09] <len> I mean mycosys
[07:10] <mycosys> mainly cos i had no idea you could - tho - wouldnt that mean remapping either control, or alt, or the f keys, totally, not just the key combo?
[07:12] <len> Well, I don't see how one key could produce more than one scancode.
[07:13] <mycosys> would be a bit crippling to remap any one of those keys
[07:13] <len> I wasn't talking about remapping any keycodes, just one scan-code.
[07:15] <mycosys> be gentle with my very flu addled brain - i am lost in brain fog
[07:16] <len> It's easy to get lost in scancodes and keycodes.  I don't like dealing with them either.  That is what is such a mess with mythtv now.
[07:16] <len> ir remotes are now being treated as keyboards by the kernel now
[07:17] <len> BUT they are producing scancodes mapped to keycodes > 255
[07:17] <len> which are invisible to X-server.
[07:18] <len> The whole thing gives just about everyone a headache.
[07:19] <mycosys> the system knows nothing about it beintg an IR remote - it is a HID keyboard and mouse combo
[07:19] <mycosys> lirc does not deal with it
[07:20] <len> It's keys still generate scancodes that get mapped to keycodes
[07:20] <len> check out ir-keytable
[07:21] <mycosys> why ir?
[07:21] <mycosys> ir-keytable is for standard lirc remotes
[07:22] <len> It's treated the same as a wireless keyboard, right?
[07:22] <len> has a kernel driver
[07:22] <mycosys> no - it is treated the same as a usb wired keyboard
[07:23] <mycosys> a normal USB HID wired keyboard and mouse
[07:23] <len> Does it have a wire?
[07:23] <mycosys> it works in the bios
[07:23] <len> So do wireless keyboards
[07:23] <mycosys> len - from a logical point of view that is irrelevant
[07:24] <mycosys> what it presents to the system is a USB HID keyboard
[07:24] <mycosys> and mouse
[07:24] <mycosys> nor an IR reciever that lirc could deal with and remap
[07:25] <len> lirc has been depreciated
[07:25] <len> almost everything is being treated like a keyboard now
[07:26] <len> I don't use lirc for any of my remotes
[07:26] <mycosys> you dont get the point?
[07:26] <len> but I can still see what scancodes they are generating with ir-keytable
[07:27] <mycosys> can you see the codes of your wired keyboards?
[07:29] <len> What is the name of this device?
[07:30] <mycosys> wireless remote control for pc windows or somethign of the sort :) appropriately  janglish
[07:30] <mycosys> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 147a:e00d Formosa Industrial Computing, Inc.
[07:32] <mycosys>  Driver Modules: "usbhid"
[07:34] <mycosys> i assume the USB ID is suffcient?
[07:36] <len> You should be able to figure out what it is with that.  udev is detecting it.
[07:37] <len> I've got an actual headache right now though, not just the figurative headache this kind of thing gives me.  :)
[07:38] <mycosys> i have a flu that sees to have roughly halved my IQ lol
[07:39] <mycosys> maybe less than half remaining - who knows
[07:39] <mycosys> almost surprised if i could tie shoelaces atm
[07:39] <len> Luckily I don't know anyone who has the flu right now.
[07:39] <mycosys> guessing ur not in australia lol
[07:40] <len> Oh, I was going to say, It's a bit late in the season, but everything is reverse in your hemi
[07:41] <len> I guess that means you're a little early :)
[07:42] <mycosys> lot o sick people right now
[07:42] <mycosys> ironically - i HAVE had my flu shots
[07:43] <len> hmm, maybe you're ground zero for a new strain ;)
[07:44] <len> I'd better get my head to bed.  Goodnight, and good luck.
[07:45] <mycosys> cheers
[09:55] <dekarl1> amejia: MythTV using system ffmpeg/libav is going to take quite some rewriting due to all the changes to make it work well with continous transport streams which line up with the direction upstream is moving, so I'd not make that a blocker for inclusion... see e.g. http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2011-March/070626.html
[09:55] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] [mythtv] Compiling from source: Myth's own FFmpeg
[10:59] <ernstp> Trying to play a dvd and I get  Couldn't find an A/V decoder for: '//dev/sr0'  Unable to open video file.
[15:19] <superm1> dekarl: at the same time, beirdo doesn't want to patch the copied ffmpeg any further.
[15:22] <dekarl> I understood that this is mainly to mpegts.c which now gets swapped out for our custom version and patched up all over the place?
[15:23] <dekarl> So references to mpegts get change everywhere or so
[15:29] <superm1> dekarl: well not absolutely positive - i'll watch this sync that's about to happen soon and see what the commits end up saying
[15:32] <dekarl> sure, I just don't understand that "internal patched up copies of code are evil" stance... if there are copies "just because" then I can see it, but for patched stuff where no one has decided which side of the fork to follow its a bit over the top
[15:39] <superm1>  there's no good way to maintain the security of the code in those instances.  so if someone had an exploit / vulnerability in a part that is not patched up and common you'd have to patch that in all apps with a copy of the code
[15:40] <superm1> so with that thought in mind, there should be pressure to get the delta upstream somehow so you don't "need" your own copy
[15:41] <dekarl> which upstream? the one or the other? ;)
[15:41] <superm1> i think it applies in all cases you take your code from somewhere :)
[15:41] <dekarl> and sure, they have a point
[15:41] <superm1> the same pressure exists within ubuntu when we have a delta from debian
[15:41] <superm1> or from debian when there is a patch to the code they take from a project and package
[15:42] <superm1> i'm sure beirdo is sick of having to do these syncs every cycle and isolating the delta and carrying it forward anyway
[15:42] <dekarl> sure, but up until now its cheaper then rewriting the relevant subsystems
[15:43] <dekarl> so mythtv is getting there, just not instantly
[15:43] <superm1> well and i think it's fine for it to be a long term goal
[15:44] <superm1> and in the end it should make things easier for everyone
[15:45] <dekarl> btw, I had another user test channel icons via storage group succesfully and I tested it myself. so adding MYTHCONFDIR to the wrapper scripts before 0.26 would enable us to change MFDB and mythtv-setup to actually put the icons into the DB in SG style
[15:45] <superm1> cool
[15:46] <superm1> but 0.26 should be web style setup though no?
[15:46] <dekarl> old icons would stay in any either home directory with direct access. so to fix it one would just have to kill the icon column and readd them properly
[15:46] <dekarl> migrating the xmltv grabber configuration files would need some thought, though
[15:47] <dekarl> web setup is "on the list" and we have some of the needed parts in the pipeline on xmltv's side (not everything though)
[15:49] <superm1> i feel like if it's a momumental change like moving to a different storage location, it's best to do a schema change that drops the icon column and requires it to re-populate on the next pull
[15:49] <superm1> once web setup is good  to go
[15:52] <dekarl> hmm, that would force everyone to reselect their icons for possible dozens of channels. When the other option is to just do something if you are actually using a remote frontend (so you gain something in return for your effort)
[15:53] <superm1> hmm i didn't realize people actually customized icons on a per channel basis
[15:53] <dekarl> either way, the interesting piece is how to migrate the xmltv configuration over
[15:54] <superm1> well as it gets closer, i'm fine with adding to the wrapper scripts if you think that's the best way to do it
[15:54] <dekarl> over here I have to always pick some manually because there are no defaults (in part due to no icon being available at all)
[15:54] <superm1> ah
[15:54] <superm1> i'd really like to kill the wrapper scripts at some point though (been a long term goal)
[15:55] <dekarl> so we force a user to click through lots of "no, there really is no icon to pick" stuff
[15:55] <superm1> that requires autodetection working a little bit better, there's a bug or two open on it
[15:55] <dekarl> if there is no gain for the user such a click orgy just stinks :)
[15:55] <superm1> haha right
[15:57] <dekarl> if we move /home/<the frontend user>/.mythtv/*xmltv over to /home/<the backend user>/.mythtv/ unless it already exists there, while at the same time adding the MYTHCONFDIR, that would work. (e.g. as a post-inst step or so)
[15:57] <superm1> well the problem you have there is that it might be a multi-user system
[15:57] <solars> hey, does anyone know a guide/tutorial how to install a Cine CT V6? can't find anything and have no idea how to install it
[15:58] <superm1> so how do you know what the "frontend user" is
[15:58] <dekarl> hmm, when you install mythbuntu, you create a user for autologon with the frontend. is this user stored somewhere?
[15:59] <superm1> ah that's true
[15:59] <superm1> lightdm configuration has that
[15:59] <superm1> so if it's a 0.25->0.26 upgrade, parse lightdm configuration, find that user, test for that directory and move it if so
[16:00] <superm1> or better yet, copy it.  i don't think you're supposed to make "changes" to a login user's home directory from package scripts
[16:00] <dekarl> hmm, the other option would be to do nothing at all, as either the user has manually made the xmltv configuration available to the backend user (via cp / ln or so) or is not using xmltv at all :)
[16:00] <dekarl> or the user runs mfdb via cron, etc. pp.
[16:01] <dekarl> hmm, we'd break the latter case when mfdb suddenly looks in /home/mythtv instead of /home/<user>
[16:02] <superm1> people aren't supposed to run mfdb via cron i thought
[16:03] <superm1> i thought it's spawned directly by the backend
[16:03] <dekarl> there are guides out there that suggest to install a cronjob instead of letting the backend do the right thing
[16:03] <superm1> well no need to encourage bad recommendations :)
[16:04] <dekarl> some of them are related to mc2xml (Yuck) others a related to combining multiple grabbers and postprocessing the output
[16:04] <superm1> well anything that helps break mc2xml i'm on board with anyway
[16:04] <dekarl> the latter ones are legitimate but I don't expect there are many of them
[16:05] <superm1> well people doing stuff like that are already doing manual things
[16:05] <dekarl> I keep preaching "write a grabber as small wrapper around you static file" and similar, fueling that fire a bit is not wrong either :D
[16:05] <superm1> they expect to have to update things manually when they upgrade and things break
[16:05] <dekarl> thats true
[16:06] <superm1> so you add a release note saying if you do this annoying postprocessing things with multiple grabbers, you might need to manually migrate blah blah
[16:08] <dekarl> hmm, on the other hand they do run mfdb --file <file> instead of letting it spawn a grabber with a config... so no worries there
[16:08] <dekarl> which is quite cool as it might actually work without breaking systems
[16:10] <superm1> in the end it's just icons anyway if it does break.  i don't think i've ever had functional icons
[16:10] <dekarl> so we don't have to copy anything. either they setup a manual job in parallel to the automatic one and its working before and after, or they did not and its not working before and after. very simple
[16:11] <superm1> cool
[16:11] <dekarl> just adding MYTHCONFDIR any time sounds possible :)
[16:12] <dekarl> and once that change is in we can fix MFDB/setup anytime, improving new installs or reconfigurations of old install, but not breaking running setup. (I think we have discussed all variants)
[16:13] <superm1> so you want to see this happen on 0.25-fixes too?
[16:13] <dekarl> the only thing left out is installations that don't run MYthbuntu packages, but thats off topic here :D
[16:13] <dekarl> I think it is safe to change it in 0.25-fixes
[16:13] <superm1> but it won't actually do anything in 0.25-fixes right?
[16:14] <dekarl> we should look at the schedulesdirect use case, I'm not sure if they drop files somewhere
[16:15] <dekarl> the wrapper scripts check for mythtv group membership already? and that could be extended to fixup permissions of MYTHCONFDIR to allow group write for icons, correct?
[16:17] <superm1> mmm i'd rather do that in a postinstall script for mythtv-common
[16:17] <amejia> superm1: well, i think you should consider moving the packaging stuff to github under mythtv/packaging (that is if you do move)
[16:18] <amejia> superm1: also, debian has a ppa like site coming up based on debexpo
[16:18] <amejia> superm1: at least i heard of debexpo, i don't really follow that however
[16:18] <superm1> amejia: oh cool on ppa
[16:19] <dekarl> superm1: sure, post-install would work, too.
[16:19] <superm1> amejia: well we have a script there under mythtv/packaging right now, but it pulls from bzr and is tightly integrated into our autobuild system
[16:19] <amejia> superm1: xbmc has something similar, the debian dir and a script are in a repository
[16:20] <superm1>  i'll need to do some feasibility checks to see what happens if we lose bzr
[16:20] <amejia> superm1: the script pulls mainline and that's how nightlies are built from master branch
[16:20] <amejia> just saying anyway
[16:20] <superm1> yup same basic thing then
[16:20] <amejia> superm1: and about dmo packages, figured i should stick with ubuntu packaging of mythtv
[16:21] <superm1> cool, obviously would much prefer that :)
[16:21] <amejia> superm1: yeah, plus i've seen some changes done on some of the dmo packages
[16:21] <amejia> christian for some reason thinks it's ok to patch upstream sources without going through upstream themselves
[16:22] <amejia> i've seen some changes to ffmpeg that weren't even discussed upstream
[16:22] <superm1> yeah that's exactly why upstream mythtv got really pissed at bugs coming from his packages
[16:22] <amejia> ok, so mythtv upstream hates dmo too then
[16:22] <amejia> figures
[16:22] <amejia> all of videolan hates dmo as well
[16:23] <superm1> "dont bite the hand that feeds you"
[16:24] <amejia> idk, it's been long suspected christian's using his dmo site to raise money for himself
[16:24] <amejia> and does absolutely nothing for debian or the debian-multimedia team doing packaging in debian
[16:25] <superm1> that's too bad to hear
[16:25] <superm1> amejia: will a build from experimental use the same GCC-4.7 toolchain that quantal is using right now?
[16:26] <dekarl> superm1: I'll be away for a bit doing household and so ;) see you later
[16:26] <superm1> dekarl: ok cya
[16:26] <amejia> superm1: i'm not sure, i think the toolchain is still the one from unstable
[16:27] <superm1> ah ok.  well if it ends in ftbfs similar to this (http://goo.gl/elSAn) it's a known issue right now.  http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10537
[16:27] <Zinn> [goo.gl] N/A
[16:28] <amejia> ok thanks for the heads up
[16:28] <superm1> there's an ffmpeg patch, but beirdo wants to resync master before he starts adding delta's to ffmpeg
[16:30] <amejia> superm1: any decision on whether it's libav or ffmpeg?
[16:30] <superm1> amejia: yeah they're going ffmpeg
[16:30] <amejia> :(
[16:31] <superm1> there was a discussion about it a week or so ago
[16:33] <amejia> superm1: was it irc or mailing list?
[16:33] <superm1> amejia: IRC
[16:33] <superm1> i happened to ping you on the date it was being discussed
[16:34] <superm1> looks like google didn't index their logs yet though
[16:36] <superm1> amejia: here ya go
[16:36] <superm1> http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4/2012-04-12
[16:36] <Zinn> [irc.mythtv.org] Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net :: #mythtv
[16:36] <superm1> i was originally asking about libhdhomerun, but the conversation went into ffmpeg
[16:41]  * amejia sighs
[16:41] <amejia> superm1: i'll worry about that later
[16:41] <amejia> superm1: the first step would be to see if i can get mythtv in debian experimental at least
[16:41] <superm1> Ok
[16:41] <amejia> superm1: btw, does mythtv have an openssl exception?
[16:42] <superm1> rhpot1991 has good contacts with silicon dust, so i bet libhdhomerun will be sortable
[16:43] <superm1> amejia: no it doesn't
[16:45] <amejia> superm1: i think i'll just do a lintian override on that one
[16:46] <amejia> superm1: since it links to the openssl shared library (not bundles it) from what i've seen
[16:46] <superm1> right
[16:46] <superm1> ok, until we have a comon packaging place, feel free to just do a bzr merge request
[16:46] <amejia> ok
[16:49] <amejia> superm1: what's the difference between master and fixes?
[16:52] <superm1> amejia: fixes tracks the current stable git branch (0.25-fixes)
[16:52] <superm1> master tracks the master development git branch (master
[16:52] <superm1> you'll want to upload 0.25-fixes branch to debian, not the master branch
[19:18] <solars> can anyone tell me how to install a cine ct v6? can't find anything useful
[19:22] <solars> not sure if there are drivers in the kernel, loaded, or if I have to compile them
[19:27] <MTughan> All right, so I've got our database mostly restored (turns out I had grabbed too new a backup, which was actually from after the reinstall), so I have most of my programs now. But audio out doesn't seem to work.
[19:28] <MTughan> We have our output from the built-in audio chipset, running optical from the motherboard to our receiver. I got audio to work using the PulseAudio manager (this is Mythbuntu 12.04), but it's only outputting stereo right now. MythFrontend is configured to output 5.1, so I think the problem's in PA. Is there something I'm missing in the configuration?
[19:31] <MTughan> Nvm, was using the wrong device in MythTV. (needed ALSA:iec958 instead of PulseAudio:default)
[19:35] <MTughan> Now, the other problem we're having: no previews show up in MythWeb. Apache says it's returning ~450 bytes per preview, which sounds too small for an image to me.
[19:36] <MTughan> Pulling it up manually through telnet returns what Apache says is a text/html document, but it has no content. So something's amiss there.
[19:37] <MTughan> Heh… And reading through the headers, something else is definitely up. Apache returns HTTP 200 (OK), but there's a header that says "Status: 404 Not Found".
[20:56] <nycvelo> After upgrading from Mythbuntu 11.10->12.04 LTS, playback of recordings is very green, almost like there's no red in the video. Video was fine in 11.04. How to remedy?
[21:28] <nycvelo> OK, found the fix: Press F multiple times during video playback until "Hue", then change setting from 0% to 50%. (0% is a bad default! It should be 50% in 12.04)
[22:36] <superm1> amejia_: i did a bit of an experiment, and I think with a few simple changes to our autobuilds infrastructure, should be able to support packaging at github instead.  thoughts on it being organized like this though: https://github.com/superm1/packaging/tree/fixes/0.25 ?
[22:36] <Zinn> [github.com] superm1/packaging at fixes/0.25 Â· GitHub
[22:36] <superm1> basically in deb/ is the helper script that will build debs or dsc's, and it just uses the packaging in deb/debian
[22:37] <superm1> so if you are doing a fixes/0.25 build, you checkout packaging-scripts's fixes/0.25 branch, if doing master, checkout out packaging-script's master branch
[22:39] <amejia_> superm1: well i just barely started looking at how packaging is done for mythtv
[22:39] <amejia_> superm1: i don't think i can have much of an opinion about it
[22:39] <superm1> Okay
[22:41] <amejia_> superm1: seems fine though, and probably best if the packaging is all done at github... IMO
[22:42] <amejia_> i suppose you should have people cloning/mirroring the entire packaging for debian, without worrying about cloning/mirroring the stuff at another site as well (i.e. launchpad)
[22:42] <superm1> cool yeah i like having it be the defacto place for all things deb then rather than ubuntu's launchpad.  the only annoying thing i find with doing it this way is when actually uploading packages, the debian/ directory isn't going to be in VCS control while building an actual package to go into debian or ubuntu
[22:43] <superm1> unless you hardlink/symlink your working directory to that from the packaging directory
[22:43] <superm1> whereas right now we have overlapping VCS with bzr and git in the same directory (git for upstream mythtv src, bzr for mythtv packaging)
[22:45] <amejia_> hmmm
[22:45] <amejia_> maybe you want to look at git submodules for that
[22:46] <amejia_> then again, i don't know enough about how the packaging is done :/
[22:46] <superm1> i'll read up on them and see
[22:48] <superm1> how do you manage it on xbmc?
[22:52] <superm1> looking over https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc-packaging it seems like you just have a debian/ top level directory in the packaging and copy debian/ in to the build directory if i'm reading right, so that's actually pretty close to what would be done here
[22:52] <Zinn> [github.com] xbmc/xbmc-packaging Â· GitHub
[23:43] <munson> hello all fresh install and upgraded distro and it rebooted and now what i seem to be doing is creating a device then scan the channels on the hvr-1600...anyone have that and remember what was needed cuz fetching channels doesn't work at all, click it and nada
[23:44] <munson> capture car is the dvb dvb capture card
[23:46] <amejia_> superm1: that's right
[23:46] <amejia_> superm1: essentially xbmc repository is cloned into that directory
[23:46] <amejia_> superm1: there's options in the script to clone from a different repository, use a different branch, use a different revision, etc.
[23:47] <amejia_> from there the upstream source is copied and the directory is copied to the source tree
[23:47] <amejia_> and the orig tarball is generated


[04:17] <Jak08> hello
[06:37] <Jak08> question that mabey someone can answer quick, but what is indesign do?
[06:40] <Madpilot> Jak08, Adobe InDesign?
[06:40] <Jak08> yes
[06:40] <Madpilot> it's a DTP app, I think
[06:41] <Jak08> which if you could, what is a DTP app?
[06:41] <Madpilot> DTP = Desktop Publishing
[06:41] <Madpilot> http://www.adobe.com/products/indesign/
[06:41] <Jak08> ahh
[06:41] <Madpilot> Scribus is an open-source app that's similar
[06:41] <Jak08> is it worth anything or are the alternatives better?
[06:42] <Madpilot> worth anything? None of the adobe apps are cheap, and they're generally well made.
[06:42] <Jak08> I mean is it decent
[06:42] <Madpilot> I've never actually used it
[06:43] <Jak08> because I have it, never have used it though, came with my creative suite cs2
[06:43] <Madpilot> Nice. Give it a shot, then.
[06:44] <Jak08> and in comparison how does pages compare with scribus?
[06:44] <Jak08> in iWork
[06:45] <Jak08> My experiance with scribus is limited
[06:46] <Jak08> and I know it is suggested for it's abiltity to save in open source formats
[06:46] <Jak08> and price of course
[06:46] <Madpilot> Pages is the Mac DTP app, right?
[06:46] <Jak08> yes
[06:49] <Madpilot> never used it, either. Sorry.
[06:49] <Jak08> i'm downloading scribus now, but may take a while as i'm on dialup and slow dial up at that, probly take about 7 more hourse and it is 42.9% done
[06:50] <Jak08> I'm just going to find an alternative way of downloading openoffice.org for my mac, as that is about 4 times bigger
[06:50] <Jak08> i do like openoffice though
[06:50] <Jak08> I only use that on my windows box, i actually got rid of word because I don't like it as well
[06:51] <Madpilot> OpenOffice is on the OpenCD - you can also buy copies of OOo cheaply, I think
[06:51] <Jak08> what is the OpenCD?
[06:54] <Madpilot> http://www.theopencd.org/
[06:54] <Madpilot> it's a collection of OpenSource/Free software for Windows users
[06:55] <Madpilot> you can buy one for about $7, it looks like
[06:55] <Jak08> hmm, i think i'll need scribus even if i do use indeisgn or Pages because they only save in their format
[06:56] <Jak08> ahh nice, I already have a lot of open source software for windows, i have scribus, inscape, the gimp, open office
[06:57] <Jak08> firefox, and thunderbird
[06:59] <Jak08> I like dreamwever so I dout i'll switch from it, oh i have blender and gaim that I use too, and 7-zip
[06:59] <Jak08> have you had a chance to use maya?
[07:00] <Madpilot> nope. That's another 3d modelling app, right?
[07:00] <Jak08> I got a cheap student version of that, it's a lot nicer than blender, no offence to blender
[07:01] <Jak08> yeah, pixar, disney, nintendo use it for example, it and 3d studio max are the industry standards for 3d design in games and movies
[07:03] <Jak08> hey would you know, is the new version of ubuntu going to be completly compatible with the hardware of the new  intel macs? because I can't get it to recognise the free space on my hardrive to install, in fact it reads the harddrive pretty funny in general, and I know it isn't the harddrive just acting funny, because vista beta 2 reads the drive fine
[07:04] <Jak08> I have ubuntu on my windows xp machine but, i don't use that hardly at all, now that I have my new mac, but as I said I can't get ubuntu installed
[07:04] <Jak08> altho I do have to admit it does a lot better of reading the new macs than any other distro i used for comparison
[07:06] <Madpilot> no idea - you might want to ask on #ubuntu+1, that's the testing channel for the next version
[07:06] <Jak08> ok, thank you
[07:21] <Jak08> yay 2 minutes left on my inkscape download
[08:53] <Madpilot> the NZ loco team has a nice logo - cool re-use of Ubuntu logo elements
[08:54] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: link?
[08:54] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NZTeam
[08:54] <Burgundavia> interesting
[08:56] <Madpilot> although it looks more like three islands instead of two, but close enough
[04:21] <Doggie> hey... does anyone know how can i change right click menu..... I want to put something...... a launcher to terminal
[05:35] <nixternal> kwwii_: less busy in here
[05:36] <kwwii_> hehe
[05:36] <kwwii_> no doubt
[05:36] <nixternal> those images, on kde svn are .png files
[05:36] <nixternal> all layers merged
[05:36] <nixternal> do those help at all?
[05:37] <kwwii_> not too much
[05:37] <nixternal> kinda figured that
[05:37] <nixternal> hehe
[05:37] <kwwii_> if we have to make new ones, it will be good to know which pieces the current code is made out of
[05:37] <nixternal> i can list those for you if you would like
[05:37] <kwwii_> well, I think I know
[05:37] <nixternal> or, i can up the ones used so you can look at them
[05:37] <nixternal> ok
[05:38] <kwwii_> it has the left part with the kde, a middle part to tile, and a right part, or?
[05:38] <nixternal> top-left.png, top-middle.png, top-right.png, bottom-left.png, bottom-middle.png, and bottom-right.png are the files used
[05:38] <kwwii_> yeah, and for the about pages we need a middle tile in addition
[05:39] <kwwii_> (irrc)
[05:39] <kwwii_> the *-middle pics are tiled irrc
[05:39] <nixternal> actuqally....top-right-konqueror.png
[05:39] <nixternal> you are correct about the middle
[05:40] <kwwii_> no idea why I type irrc instead of iirc though :p
[05:40] <kwwii_> hrm
[05:40] <nixternal> hehe
[05:41] <kwwii_> I am in the middle of a bigger update to k-d-s...let me get that finished and make sure nobody flips out and then we could take care of it, ok?
[05:41] <nixternal> no problem
[05:41] <nixternal> i will be here most of the day ;)
[05:44] <kwwii_> :-)
[10:11] <Who_> Do people find the wiki to be really slow at the moment?
[10:21] <kwwii_> Who_: I find it to be slow quite a lot
[10:23] <Who_> kwwii_: must be all the artwork :P


[02:17] <excalibr> Hi. can you give me some pointers. Im looking for way how to execute .desktop file from my py app. Ive tried calling xdg-open but that ended up opening the .desktop in text editor. Can you tell me how Unity shell (dash/launchers) launches apps .desktop?
[02:24] <darkxst> excalibr, you don't execute the desktop file
[02:32] <darkxst> Laney, a-i-t drops the legacy icon name maps (as listed in icon-naming-utils), will probably cause some missing icons around the place
[02:38] <excalibr> darkxst, how I'm supposed to launch it?
[02:38] <excalibr> the proper way
[02:38] <darkxst> excalibr, what are you trying to do? the shell parses the desktop files to read the meta-data
[02:39] <darkxst> if you want unity to launch your app, then you just need to make a desktop file and put it in the right place
[02:40] <excalibr> darkxst, sorry I wasnt clear enought. I want to call an external app through its .desktop from my py app
[02:45] <darkxst> excalibr, glib has api for working with desktop files
[02:46] <darkxst> g_desktop_appinfo_* maybe
[02:46] <darkxst> https://developer.gnome.org/gio/stable/gio-Desktop-file-based-GAppInfo.html#g-desktop-app-info-launch-action
[02:53] <excalibr> ok many thanks :)
[06:16] <didrocks> good morning
[07:41] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[07:41] <didrocks> re seb128!
[07:41] <seb128> lut didrocks ;-)
[07:41] <didrocks> and medium tests pass \o/
[07:41]  * didrocks git push
[07:44] <pitti> bonjour mes amis français, comment avez-vous ?
[07:45] <larsu> bonjour pitti!
[07:45] <seb128> salut pitti, ça va bien ! et toi ?
[07:46] <larsu> oh wait, I'm not even French
[07:46] <pitti> ... et mes amis allemands aussi, bien sûr ! :-)
[07:46] <didrocks> hello pitti
[07:46] <pitti> hey larsu, wie gehts?
[07:46]  * didrocks was feeling lonely this morning on the channel :)
[07:47] <larsu> pitti: gut danke!
[07:51] <pitti> didrocks: pardon, j'ai perdu ton "bonjour" -- I ignored IRC, but I now landed  the sysv-generator tests upstream :)
[07:51] <pitti> and am now fighting with some bugs in it
[07:52] <didrocks> pitti: saw that, congrats!
[08:00]  * mpt tries to change his password, and System Settings hangs \o/
[08:06] <mlankhorst>      morning
[08:10] <larsu> mpt: woah, there's all kinds of things wrong in that dialog...
[08:11] <mpt> larsu, like how it pouts “Not strong enough” when you haven’t even typed anything yet
[08:11] <larsu> Laney: is this known^ ? I can't change my password at all (button doesn't work), the strength bar is messed up, it shows "not strong enough" even there's no text in it
[08:11] <mpt> And then reverts to “Not strong enough” again when you hit the button to change the password
[08:11] <larsu> mpt: right...
[08:11] <larsu> mpt: are you on V?
[08:11]  * mpt cowers
[08:11] <larsu> mpt: I can't even hit that button. It's insensitive
[08:11] <mpt> I’m on 14.04. Maybe I should upgrade.
[08:12] <larsu> mpt: woah. Should definitely work there...
[08:12] <mpt> Even if it wouldn’t help in this particular case. :-)
[08:14] <larsu> haha yeah
[08:14] <larsu> thanks for letting us know!
[08:14] <seb128> larsu, what dialog?
[08:14]  * seb128 feels like he lacks context
[08:14] <mpt> seb128, it’s a hidden dialog
[08:14] <mpt> The one for changing your password
[08:15] <seb128> ah
[08:15] <larsu> seb128: the change password dialog in u-c-c
[08:15] <seb128> I see
[08:17] <seb128> larsu, you can't hit the button because your password is not strong enough
[08:18] <larsu> seb128: right, but no matter what I type, the strength doesn't fill up (even when letting it fill automatically)
[08:18] <larsu> also, the strength bar seems to change when typing in "current password"
[08:19] <larsu> ah, closing and reopening it works
[08:25] <didrocks> larsu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85xwZ_OLX0
[08:25] <larsu> HAHA awesome
[08:25]  * larsu misses that show
[08:25] <didrocks> same :)
[08:25] <willcooke> g'morn
[08:26] <didrocks> 0118 999 881…
[08:26] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:26] <willcooke> 3
[08:26]  * didrocks ^5s willcooke
[08:27] <willcooke> \o/
[08:27] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:27] <larsu> morning willcooke!
[08:27] <seb128> willcooke, sorry I was out for dinner when you pinged, did you figure out your unity8 issues?
[08:29] <willcooke> seb128, yeah it just started working :D
[08:29]  * willcooke keeps paying the witch doctor for his powers
[09:05] <Laney> hello
[09:07] <larsu> hi Laney!
[09:07] <larsu> how goes?
[09:09] <didrocks> morning Laney
[09:10] <Laney> there is tea, therefore good
[09:11] <Laney> biked back home through the snowfall last night, fun
[09:11] <Laney> was hoping that it might stay but there's not much left now
[09:15] <Laney> larsu: not familiar with this password issue, sorry, are you looking into it?
[09:21] <willcooke> Can anyone do the "Ubuntu Engineering Live" hangout today at 1400 UTC?  I have a meeting with Rick then
[09:22] <larsu> Laney: not yet, but I can
[09:23] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1318199
[09:23] <Laney> probs that
[09:32] <darkxst> Laney, can you send me some snow? melting from heat here ;(
[09:34] <Laney> OK, I'll include a stamped addressed envelope so you can post me some warmth back & then everyone can be happy ...
[09:36] <willcooke> It's the 21st century guys.
[09:36] <willcooke> Use email
[09:38] <pitti> or UUECP (unix to unix energy copy)
[09:38] <pitti> darn, where did I put the source for that..
[09:43] <darkxst> willcooke, how would one send snow via email ?
[09:43] <darkxst> or heat?
[09:43] <willcooke> darkxst, scan it it
[09:43] <Laney> zipped
[09:43] <willcooke> simples
[09:43] <willcooke> pitti, lol
[09:44] <darkxst> willcooke, maybe we need 22nd century tech, quantum teleporters!
[09:44] <willcooke> darkxst, :D
[09:44] <darkxst> because a picture of snow aint going to cut it right now
[09:44] <willcooke> hahaha
[09:45] <willcooke> woooo
[09:45] <willcooke> X forwarding from the phone
[09:45] <willcooke> to the desktop
[09:45] <willcooke> for no reason
[09:45] <willcooke> but it's fast
[09:51] <pitti> willcooke: with the new ssh unix port forwarding from utopic?
[09:52] <pitti> (that's an awesome feature!)
[09:52] <willcooke> I'm just using good ol' ssh -X atm
[10:09] <pitti> willcooke: oh, so the phone already has xauth installed? I thought it hadn't
[10:11] <willcooke> I just installed it
[10:11] <willcooke> (thanks to mlankhorst )
[10:11] <pitti> ah, cheating :) (requires r/w phone)
[10:11] <willcooke> yeah
[10:13] <pitti> mlankhorst, willcooke: FYI: https://plus.google.com/+MartinPitti/posts/ZVQttN2ft5f
[10:13] <pitti> should work on an unmodified r/o phone, but requires utopic's ssh
[10:13]  * willcooke reads
[10:14] <mlankhorst> ah
[10:16] <willcooke> nice
[10:19] <mlankhorst> pitti: yeah but you need some packages installed to run the xserver :P
[10:19] <pitti> mlankhorst: well, not everyone is running unit8 on their desktop yet :)
[10:19] <pitti> I'd suppose that almost every developer has X installed on their desktop still :)
[10:20] <pitti> mlankhorst: NB, will wants to run X apps on the phone and forward them to the desktop's X, not run X on the pone
[10:20] <mlankhorst> I don't see the usecase in that :P
[10:21] <mlankhorst> and besides you need xauth on the target machiine, which already has xauth
[10:25] <pitti> I used it once to run d-feet
[10:25] <pitti> mlankhorst: maybe, but with ssh -X you also need it on the phone side
[10:25] <pitti> with forwarding the unix port you don't
[10:26] <Laney> seb128: poppler re-ping
[10:27] <seb128> Laney, ups, forgot, done
[10:27] <Laney> thanks
[10:27] <Laney> transition time!
[10:27] <seb128> do you need help with that?
[10:27] <Laney> nah
[10:28] <Laney> I already found the inkscape patch required, dunno about others but it'll be fine
[10:29] <seb128> k
[10:29]  * Laney watches the flames appear on the horizon
[10:35]  * didrocks can do with some flames to heat up the atmosphere
[12:54] <willcooke> I love spending an hour editing a video in kdenlive and then have it crash
[12:56] <willcooke> oh well
[12:56] <willcooke> rendering it makes my cpu busy, and that's all that's keeping me warm
[12:58] <mlankhorst> I have water cooling that only gets warm when I build llvm-toolchain for 2 hours in qemu for the arm arch :P
[12:58] <willcooke> ha!
[12:58] <didrocks> kdenlive-cc, like distcc :)
[12:58] <mlankhorst> after that the cooling tower turns into a space heater
[13:00] <willcooke> nice bit of energy efficiency
[13:01] <mlankhorst> I don't often use my cpu that much
[13:04] <willcooke> so you openly admit to being a slacker?!?
[13:04] <willcooke> ;)
[13:05] <mlankhorst> nah, but most of the time builds take shorter
[13:06] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, congrats on the Android doc app
[13:07] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: not my work yet -- all kudos go out to collabora
[13:07] <willcooke> good bunch of guys
[13:40] <Sweet5hark> achievement unlocked: being quoted on omgubuntu.
[13:53] <willcooke> :)
[14:18] <brainwash> chrisccoulson: firefox 35 is stuck in vivid-proposed. any reason why?
[14:43] <xnox> brainwash: you should be able to check that yourself from proposed migration documentation.
[14:43] <xnox> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration
[14:44] <xnox> in this case it's trivial to see missing build on armhf
[14:44] <brainwash> right, just noticed that
[14:46] <brainwash> so something like that can delay a security update :/
[15:18]  * popey tickles willcooke
[15:18] <mlankhorst> vivid isn't released yet so why worry about it?
[15:18] <willcooke> there he is
[15:18] <seb128> popey, hey
[15:18] <popey> yo yo
[15:22] <brainwash> mlankhorst: vivid is being used by people to test/develop, these people might browse the web with an outdated/insecure web browser
[15:25] <brainwash> I have -proposed enabled, so I'm not one of them
[15:31] <tedg> Laney, Would you have time to look at this bustle bug? I'd love to get these split before FF. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=772148
[15:48] <seb128> do we have an opinion on whether booting the unity8-next iso live session should display the ooeb wizard?
[15:48] <mlankhorst> oobe?
[15:48] <seb128> out of the box expereience
[15:49] <seb128> the first run wizard that let you pick locale, password, etc
[15:49] <seb128> it's not that useful in a live session
[15:49] <mlankhorst> out of the experience box!
[15:49] <seb128> but it might be useful for testing/demoing it
[15:49] <seb128> lol
[15:49] <seb128> oobe I guess ;-)
[15:53] <didrocks> seb128: agreed, it shouldn't
[15:53] <willcooke> +1
[15:53] <didrocks> (and maybe it's time to implement a "demo mode" :))
[15:54] <seb128> didrocks, patches are welcome I guess? ;-)
[15:56] <didrocks> seb128: fine with this, we can even implement that with systemd sessions (so not that cycle) and I'm happy to give it then a look ;)
[15:57] <seb128> didrocks, do you know what's the right component to add a small hook to create the stamp file for the livecd user? livecd-rootfs?
[15:57] <didrocks> seb128: you mean, creating the temp user, autologin and such?
[15:58] <seb128> didrocks, well, to not display the wizard we need to touch a file in ~/.config
[15:58] <seb128> didrocks, just trying to figure out where to add the line ;-)
[15:58] <didrocks> yeah, all those temporary stuff are done in casper (casper-bottom scripts)
[15:58] <seb128> thanks
[15:58] <didrocks> seb128: I have some cycles, I can handle this if you wish
[15:58] <didrocks> that will remind me the UNE time :)
[15:58] <seb128> didrocks, no, that's fine, I'm looking at, but thanks!
[15:59] <didrocks> ok, do not hesitate if you have any question
[15:59] <seb128> sure
[15:59] <seb128> thanks
[15:59] <didrocks> always happy to break casper in the iso :)
[15:59] <seb128> lol
[15:59] <didrocks> seb128: scripts/casper-bottom/ btw
[16:00] <seb128> didrocks, thanks, I've that on screen
[16:00] <seb128> hum, vcs is one revision behind
[16:00] <seb128> let me ping apw
[16:01] <didrocks> waow, we still have code for Ubuntu MID
[16:03] <Laney> bah, can't renew library book, brb need to take it back to avoid being fined ;-)
[16:03] <Laney> now I'll never find out how it ends!
[16:03] <Laney> tedg: I better look at that this afternoon to avoid forgetting
[16:04] <Laney> :(
[16:04] <tedg> Laney, Thanks!
[16:04] <tedg> I'm sure someone has written a spoiler on the Internet :-)
[16:04] <didrocks> Laney: try with a cup of tea, I learnt this was a real currency in your country :)
[16:04] <Laney> "item has holds"
[16:05] <Laney> need to find who that is and ... deal with them
[16:05]  * tedg assumes from didrocks' comment that means throwing tea at them.
[16:05] <didrocks> tedg: "offf couuuuursssssss" :)
[16:05] <Laney> to the bottom of the deep brown tea
[16:11] <tedg> didrocks, I was told that you're doing the BZ5 transition. Is that landing soonish?
[16:12] <didrocks> tedg: there are the u-c-c part to be done (larsu is on it), and we might be blocked by the Touch side
[16:12] <didrocks> tedg: the kernel team is supposed to update the Touch kernel with BZ5 patches, not a priority to them until February
[16:13] <larsu> beware of the Touch side
[16:13]  * tedg is not touching that
[16:13] <tedg> didrocks, K, thanks for the update.
[16:13] <didrocks> yw!
[17:12] <Laney> tedg: oh, I thought you'd submitted a patch. :(
[17:12] <tedg> Laney, I thought I did too.
[17:14] <tedg> Laney, How do I attach to that bug?
[17:14] <Laney> Email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>& attach it
[17:15]  * tedg tries to add it
[17:23] <tedg> Laney, How long does it typically take to show up on the bug?
[17:23] <Laney> tedg: Few minutes I guess, not long
[17:23] <didrocks> lately it's been up to 10 minutes
[17:23]  * tedg presses reload a few times to make it faster
[17:23] <didrocks> I think the queue is busy
[17:23] <didrocks> tedg: you will receive an email to notify you
[17:24] <tedg> Seriously, I get an e-mail to confirm I sent e-mail? :-)
[17:24] <didrocks> you get a ack :)
[17:24] <Laney> it's there now
[17:25] <tedg> Woot! Reload worked!
[17:25] <tedg> ;-)
[17:25] <mpt> Hmm, that’s weird
[17:25] <mpt> If I use xprop or xwininfo on Unity’s shutdown dialog, I just get the properties of whatever window is underneath
[17:25] <Laney> needs Breaks+Replaces
[17:25] <Laney> but thanks
[17:26] <tedg> Laney, I thought for a new binary package I wouldn't, no?
[17:26] <tedg> mpt, It is drawn by the compositor, so it's not a real window.
[17:26] <mpt> ah, ok, thanks tedg
[17:27]  * didrocks waves good evening


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[11:57] <kc2bez> ^message cleaned up on Telegram and user banned.
[11:57] <guiverc> thanks kc2bez ; i noted it disappear on my telegram window :)


[00:05] <bobweaver> Lens is there
[00:06] <davidcalle> bobweaver, woohoo :)
[00:06] <bobweaver> Icon is now
[00:06] <bobweaver> still no icons nor search
[00:06] <bobweaver> but  \o/
[00:06] <davidcalle> bobweaver, now, it should be just a matter of changing the name of the scope.
[00:07] <davidcalle> bobweaver, filters are here?
[00:07] <bobweaver> no but this is a reinstall of something that I saved well a deb of it about 2 hrs about
[00:07] <bobweaver> will code in now
[00:07] <davidcalle> Ok :)
[00:16] <davidcalle> bobweaver, have a good evening/night ;)
[00:17] <bobweaver>  \o/ Filters are there
[08:17] <OwaisL> Hey everyone, I've a question about the launcher api. Is there a way to insert entries to LauncherFavorites exposed by the api?
[08:18] <OwaisL> Also, enumerate_app_infos() returns an empty list? Probably I'm not initializing properly or something
[08:18] <OwaisL> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.04/python/Unity-5.0.html#Unity.LauncherFavorites
[16:29] <nafcool> hey guys
[16:29] <nafcool> http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/launcher/
[16:30] <nafcool> i hv installed the libunity-dev
[16:30] <nafcool> and got unity.h
[16:30] <nafcool> but when i try to compile a simple program using the header file
[16:30] <nafcool> it says glib.h not found
[16:30] <nafcool> plz. help
[16:41] <mhall119> nafcool: you'll have better luck on Monday, when people come back to work
[17:15] <nafcool> mhall119: oh....ok
[19:23] <ChildPrice> !ops
[19:23] <ChildPrice> ban me
[19:23] <ChildPrice> !staff
[19:23] <ChildPrice> !ops
[19:23] <ChildPrice> ban me
[19:24] <ChildPrice> yay
[19:24] <Budwesier> !ops
[19:24] <Budwesier> !staff
[19:24] <Budwesier> hahahaha
[19:24] <Budwesier> ban me
[19:24] <Budwesier> keep feeding in
[19:25] <Budwesier> yes
[19:25] <Budwesier> come on
[19:25] <Budwesier> ban me
[19:25] <Budwesier> come on boy
[19:25] <Budwesier> the adrenaline rush!
[19:25] <Budwesier> !ops
[19:25] <AlanBell> Budwesier: whats with the histrionics?
[19:25] <Budwesier> ?
[19:26] <Budwesier> yo niko
[19:26] <AlanBell> the attention seeking behaviour?
[19:26] <niko> yo
[19:26] <Budwesier> you niko bellic from gta 4?
[19:26] <Budwesier> why wont you guys kline me?
[19:26] <AlanBell> whats in it for you?
[19:26] <Budwesier> i get high its wierd but its true!
[19:27] <Budwesier> i will do anything to get klined
[19:27] <AlanBell> maybe read a book, or watch telly instead if you are bored
[19:27] <Budwesier> welcome to the party Myrtti
[19:27] <Budwesier> telly is boring, and i already finished the hunger games triology
[19:27] <AlanBell> ah, I enjoyed that
[19:27] <Budwesier> the next train isnt to 4:23PM
[19:27] <AlanBell> the book is much better than the film
[19:27] <Budwesier> hunger games?
[19:28] <Budwesier> Awesome book series
[19:28] <Myrtti> Budwesier: I'm busy trying to learn a card game, please stop playing around
[19:28] <Budwesier> Myrtti: then ban me
[19:28] <Budwesier> heres the deal you guys ban me in this room i will disconnect from freenode for the weekend i promise
[19:28] <Myrtti> may I suggest buying Lord of the Rings card game, you can play it on your own
[19:28] <Myrtti> really entertaining
[19:28] <Budwesier> Myrtti: that what u trying to learn?
[19:29] <Myrtti> yup.
[19:29] <Budwesier> my next book is the games of thrones
[19:29] <Budwesier> wait a minute
[19:29] <Budwesier> why am i trying to get banned when i could buy the kindle book now?
[19:29] <Budwesier> and read it?
[19:29] <AlanBell> good question, press that button
[19:29] <Budwesier> what button?
[19:29] <AlanBell> one click purchase
[19:30] <AlanBell> well dunno if kindles go click
[19:30] <Budwesier> they do!
[19:30] <Budwesier> peace
[19:30] <AlanBell> enjoy your read
[19:30] <Budwesier> i just bought the book
[19:30] <Budwesier> cya what a waste of life trying to get banned
[19:30] <Budwesier> i bought the 4 book pack for $30 and its on my kindle fire
[19:30] <AlanBell> I couldn't agree more
[19:30] <Budwesier> before i go
[19:30] <Budwesier> i recommened reading the hunger games triology!
[19:31] <Budwesier> your thoughts?
[19:31] <AlanBell> yeah, I read all of it
[19:31] <Budwesier> nice!
[19:31] <Budwesier> smell ya later boring ops
[19:31] <Myrtti> what a waste...
[22:54] <Debolaz> Wow, conversation actually went on in here. :)


[00:22] <fta> hm, something's wrong.  many packages are waiting for publications for hours: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[00:24]  * wgrant hopes mthaddon is still around.
[00:24] <mthaddon> wgrant: ?
[00:24] <wgrant> mthaddon: germanium's publisher is borked.
[00:24] <mthaddon> lemme take a look
[00:27] <mthaddon> wgrant: the most obvious thing I can find is this: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/27844776/KhZe2ggKNzKhRabuIrKhzeLghK.txt - but I confess I don't know too much about the inner workings of this part of LP
[00:27] <wgrant> Good lord.
[00:27] <wgrant> That doesn't look good.
[00:27] <mthaddon> shows up 4 times in the ppa cron logs
[00:28] <wgrant> Actually, it looks like it's only fta's PPA.
[00:28] <mthaddon> although it seems to come up just after: Processing http://ppa.launchpad.net/sabily.team/ppa/ubuntu - whether that means it's having a problem with that one or the next one I'm not sure
[00:28] <lifeless> ubunets ppa was having trouble last night
[00:28] <lifeless> worth checking that too
[00:29] <fta> wgrant, nope, i saw another one: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ripps818/+archive/staging
[00:29] <mthaddon> lifeless: this is the only real error I can see in the current ppa cron log
[00:29] <wgrant> fta: OK - I admit I only check a few recent ones.
[00:29] <wgrant> mthaddon: Is it always that same file?
[00:29] <mthaddon> yeah
[00:29] <wgrant> It'd be nice to unbreak things for the weekend.
[00:30] <wgrant> And the easiest way to do that without waking people up is probably to just get somebody to delete the publishing in question...
[00:31] <fta> wgrant, mine has some too.. months old: https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/ppa/   kind of weird..
[00:32] <wgrant> fta: That's a bug with superseded binaries. Not the same thing./
[00:32] <fta> yep, figured that out, that's why i never complained before ;)
[00:36] <wgrant> fta: Bug #378876
[00:37] <fta> thx
[00:39] <mthaddon> wgrant: so who should be doing the deleting? the publisher or an admin?
[00:40] <wgrant> mthaddon: An admin.
[00:40] <wgrant> Or the user.
[00:42] <wgrant> mthaddon: I suspect that just deleting the package from +delete-packages of the archive in question should do it.
[00:50] <Ursinha> :)
[00:51] <Ursinha> oops, damn focus
[02:05] <VK7HSE> O I have possibly had my head in the sand! but the download counter is a handy addition.. Thanks :)
[02:19] <Flannel> Hi all, I was wondering if it's possible to change my team's name simply through the "Team name" thing under change details.  I know that's what it's there for, but was hoping to verify it working beforehand.
[02:20] <ripps> Apparently, there have been a set of packages in one of my ppa's that has been pending publication for over 10 hours, what's the problem?
[02:20] <ripps> I need these packages published because another set of packages in the ppa rely on them as a dependency
[04:22] <ripps> Any launchpad sysadmins?
[04:23] <ripps> I've got packages in a PPA that are locked in pending
[04:29] <Sarvatt> same here - https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[04:31] <Sarvatt> interestingly the mesa was copied not even a minute after showing up on the other ppa but its published there, must have just been bad timing or its copied packages not going through
[04:31] <wgrant> Some things seem to be getting published, but others are not.
[04:42] <wgrant> lifeless: Do you know if anything further was done about the PPA issues?
[04:43] <lifeless> yes :- nothing
[04:43] <wgrant> Ah.
[04:43] <lifeless> mthaddon couldn't see a bug describing what was going on enough to go and delete things arbitrarily
[04:44] <wgrant> I guess Europe will wakt up in a few hours.
[04:44] <wgrant> Of course.
[04:44] <lifeless> spm: may have no llife
[05:13] <lifeless> jml: how do I push up a new package ?
[05:14] <lifeless> :!bzr push bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~libcpuinfo-developers/ubuntu/karmic/libcpuinfo/trunk
[05:14] <lifeless> bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "/~libcpuinfo-developers/ubuntu/karmic/libcpuinfo/trunk": : No such source package: 'libcpuinfo'.
[05:14] <wgrant> lifeless: You'll be able to do it once you upload it to a PPA.
[05:14] <wgrant> There's just no SPN created yet.
[05:15] <lifeless> wgrant: yes, I know.
[05:15] <wgrant> Ah.
[05:19] <lifeless> wgrant: its an inconsistent restriction
[05:19] <lifeless> wgrant: any ppa upload can break it; so why can't a bzr push
[05:20] <wgrant> lifeless: That PPA uploads can break it has been considered a bug, though.
[05:20] <lifeless> wgrant: that would be wrong though ;).
[05:20] <wgrant> But I guess it could be useful, so maybe a push should create it.
[05:21] <wgrant> But I'm not sure this source package branch model represents how things are going to work in the real world.
[05:22] <lifeless> wgrant: All the more reason to test it
[06:08] <stefanlsd> Am i doing something wrong here (against staging) - createbug = launchpad.bugs.createBug(description='bugdesc', title='test bug title', target='apr-util)  - i get  HTTP Error 400: Bad Request
[06:10] <lifeless> try ubuntu/+source/apr-util
[06:11] <stefanlsd> lifeless: same error...
[06:11] <lifeless> stefanlsd: oh well, worth a crach
[06:11] <lifeless> *crack
[06:11] <stefanlsd> lifeless: thanks though :)
[06:15] <wgrant> stefanlsd: target can't just be a string.
[06:15] <wgrant> stefanlsd: Either get hold of a SP object, or pass 'https://api.staging.launchpad.net/beta/ubuntu/+source/apr-util
[06:16] <stefanlsd> wgrant: kk. thanks. what is an SP object?
[06:17] <wgrant> stefanlsd: A source package. Get one using IDistribution.getSourcePackage()
[06:19] <stefanlsd> wgrant: kk. thanks
[06:23] <wgrant> stefanlsd: In future, you can get more details about most errors by catching the exception and checking the 'content' attribute.
[06:33] <stefanlsd> wgrant: do you know of an example of doing that i could see?
[06:36] <wgrant> stefanlsd: Of what?
[06:37] <stefanlsd> wgrant: catching the exception and checking the 'content' attribute...
[06:37] <lifeless> try: (foo) except Exception,e:print e.content
[06:38] <wgrant> That's a bit broad, but would work.
[06:38] <lifeless> its an example ;P
[06:38] <lifeless> its terribly broad, but then so is 'bad request'
[06:39] <wgrant> True.
[06:39] <stefanlsd> ok. thanks. will try it
[07:10] <jml> lifeless: thanks for filing that bug.
[07:10] <jml> it's a known one, but maybe I hadn't filed it already
[07:10] <lifeless> jml: no worries. If its a dup its a dup.
[07:10] <lifeless> I filed uhm 5 lp bugs today I think.
[07:10] <jml> lifeless: we're thinking maybe of using --create-prefix as a way of handling that case.
[07:10] <lifeless> maybe 6.
[07:11] <lifeless> jml: I'm interested in why you think special flags are needed, but am going out to a movie now.
[07:11] <jml> lifeless: cos we also don't want people accidentally making packages called subinut
[07:11] <lifeless> jml: Allow deletions too.
[07:11]  * lifeless is gone
[07:11] <jml> lifeless: ciao
[07:13] <wgrant> jml: I like the --create-prefix idea.
[07:14] <jml> I think it makes sense, and is consistent with bzr's behaviour on non-magic servers.
[07:36] <e-jat> just a question .... can 2 launchpad ID  get merge ?
[07:36] <e-jat> e.g : ~idA  merge with ~idB = ~idA
[07:37] <wgrant> e-jat: https://launchpad.net/people/+requestmerge
[07:37] <e-jat> wgrant: ok thanks ..
[07:55] <e-jat> wgrant: how about merging a team ..
[07:55] <e-jat> is it possible too ?
[07:56] <wgrant> e-jat: I believe so, but you have to ask an admin to do it - https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[08:22] <e-jat> thanks ..
[08:52] <Flannel> Hi all, I was wondering if it's possible to change my team's name simply through the "Team Name" thing under change details (/~team/+edit).  I know that's what it's there for, but was hoping to verify it working beforehand.
[08:56] <wgrant> Flannel: That's what it's for.
[08:57] <wgrant> And it works.
[08:57] <wgrant> There are complications if you have a PPA or mailing list, but I think it'll refuse to do anything in those cases.
[08:57] <Flannel> wgrant: Any side effects or other things I need to worry about it?
[08:58] <wgrant> Flannel: Other than the complications I meantione above and URLs changing, no.
[08:58] <Flannel> Alright, thanks.
[10:02] <lifeless> jml: so, I think it would be better to just allow the push
[10:02] <lifeless> jml: given that we allow branch deletion elsewhere in launchpad
[11:54] <wgrant> cprov: Morning - can you unbreak germanium's publisher?
[11:54] <cprov> wgrant: I'm on it already
[11:55] <wgrant> cprov: Great.
[11:55] <cprov> something related to this bizarre piece of work -> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ppa-pkg/+archive/ppa
[11:55] <wgrant> Is it the missing LFA that was found this morning, or something else?
[11:55] <wgrant> Oh, wow.
[11:56] <wgrant> That's an impressively dangerous thing.
[11:57] <cprov> wgrant: yes, a copy with an expired LFA blocked the job
[11:57] <wgrant> cprov: An LFA from an obsolete SPR?
[11:58] <cprov> wgrant: and expired BPR, actually, but yes, our *own* mess, not users'
[11:58] <wgrant> Right.
[11:58] <wgrant> That makes sense.
[11:59] <wgrant> I initially suspected an expiry issue, but I thought copies of those were blocked.
[11:59] <cprov> wgrant: not yet :-/
[12:00] <wgrant> cprov: Ah, damn.
[12:00] <lifeless> da ?!?! is that
[12:00] <cprov> let me just ensure the publisher is unleashed and I will file a bug.
[12:00] <lifeless> 3K packages?
[12:00] <wgrant> lifeless: Yeah, it *does* makes sense. In a dangerous sort of way.
[12:00] <lifeless> cprov: what is it
[12:00] <lifeless> ?
[12:00] <wgrant> lifeless: Packages to install every PPA on Launchpad.
[12:01] <lifeless> *blink* scary
[12:01] <cprov> wgrant: well, it doesn't, it could avoid all the packaging cruft and have a single package for managing PPA installation
[12:01] <wgrant> cprov: I guess so.
[12:01] <wgrant> This wasn't discussed with you before it was created?
[12:01] <cprov> wgrant: even it he updates the local PPA inventory daily or something.
[12:02] <cprov> wgrant: no it wasn't
[12:02] <wgrant> Bug #316431
[12:02] <cprov> wgrant: I saw him posting the solution here and there
[12:02] <cprov> wgrant: you are my hero! thanks.
[12:02] <maxb> I 'like' the way that all of those exceptionally trivial packages use cdbs to build :-/
[12:02] <wgrant> I knew I'd seen that bug somewhere.
[12:04] <wgrant> cprov: How'd you unbreak it? Just unpublished the [SB]PPHs?
[12:04] <cprov> wgrant: unpublished the faulty binaries.
[12:06] <wgrant> cprov: Thanks.
[12:07] <cprov> jeez, those chromium debug binaries are big! 670 MiB of pain.
[12:07] <wgrant> Yep. I wonder if it includes symbols for all of the embedded libs too.
[12:08] <wgrant> Since Chrome has embedded copies of pretty much everything that it uses.
[12:08] <cprov> wgrant: yeah, a shiny monolith.
[12:08] <wgrant> Heh.
[12:20] <lifeless> \o/
[12:24] <wgrant> Ah, now I'm less confused. I forgot that SPRs don't expire.
[12:32] <fta> 17 hours without retry? https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/+build/1074410
[12:32] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[12:32] <wgrant> Hopefully it's just that bug that cprov fixed a couple of days ago.
[12:34] <cprov> fta: binaries were not published (due to the publisher problem) builds could not be retried.
[12:34] <fta> cprov, wasn't that fixed yesterday?
[12:35] <fta> i mean, ~12h ago
[12:35] <cprov> fta: `retry-depwait` will run again in 20 min and will hopefully succeed
[12:35] <wgrant> fta: 50 minutes ago.
[12:35] <cprov> fta: no, it wasn't
[12:35] <fta> oh, ok
[12:35]  * fta waiting :)
[12:36]  * cprov can't wait either ... so he runs the script manually.
[12:36] <wgrant> Heh.
[12:36] <wgrant> cprov: Wouldn't it make more sense to run it more frequently now?
[12:37] <wgrant> Or does it take a while?
[12:37] <cprov> wgrant: PPAs publishing frequency changed, yes, it would make more sense if we retry builds more often.
[12:40] <cprov> fta: done.
[12:40] <fta> thanks
[13:03] <cprov> okay, all fixed, lunch then *incident* report
[13:07] <stefanlsd> Anyone else getting timeouts on https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu   ?
[13:09] <lifeless> staging does run on reduced hardware
[13:10] <lifeless> but its working for me
[13:10] <wgrant> It'll often work after a couple of retries.
[13:10] <wgrant> Presumably the DB server cache gets warm enough.
[13:10] <lifeless> page indices into memory
[13:10] <lifeless> yes
[13:10] <lifeless> thats what I'd assume too
[13:13] <wgrant> cprov-afk: Bug #320398
[13:13] <stefanlsd> oh yeah. works now. happens quite often on staging. and everytime i ask, it starts working.... (maybe a irc bot that picks it up and pokes something. hehe.  :)
[13:14] <wgrant> stefanlsd: Just refresh a few times, I guess.
[13:26] <cprov-afk> wgrant: yes, have to fix that as well
[13:26] <wgrant> cprov-afk: Oh, they're separate? OK.
[13:27] <cprov-afk> wgrant: yes, very ... I've only found that last one because NCommander's PPA had that.
[13:27] <cprov-afk> wgrant: and was being published every cycle.
[13:29]  * cprov-afk really goes (back in 2h)
[14:41] <zsquareplusc> is the ftp upload for ppa down? i get a connection refused
[14:42] <wgrant> germanium *is* having bad luck today.
[14:42] <\sh> zsquareplusc: me too (c) aol.com
[14:42] <wgrant> cprov-afk: ^^
[14:45] <\sh> zsquareplusc: me too (c) aol.com
[14:45] <\sh> grmpf wrong window
[16:11] <croxis> is ppa.launchpad.net not working? I'm unable to upload a package with dput (errno 111 connection refused)
[16:12] <zsquareplusc> croxis: welcome to the club :(
[16:12] <croxis> Ok, at least it isn't me :)
[16:17] <cprov-afk> uploads to ppa.launchpad.net should be ok now.
[16:17] <zsquareplusc> it worked here, yes. thanks
[16:21] <cprov-afk> great.
[16:26] <croxis> awesome! thanks
[17:47] <keffie_jayx> hello all, I have been trying to make modifications to a team (adding new members and editing team details) and it keeps saying that launchpad has had problem  ... the most recent error is (Error ID: OOPS-1260ED418)
[20:11] <eagle00789> how to fix the "Cannot find svn repository root." problem
[20:15] <zsquareplusc> eagle00789: depends what you want. if you just want a branch from a part of the repository, try "bzr branch .."
[20:15] <eagle00789> it's from the automated import
[20:26] <eagle00789> so any clue??
[20:27] <zsquareplusc> not me. i did the import myself and i just saw that error with svn-import. but branching directly from the svn repo url worked fine
[20:27] <eagle00789> ok. anybody else who knwos a sollution??
[20:30] <zsquareplusc> the PPA is assigned to the group not the project. whats the best way to show that there is a PPA for the project? include it as text in the projects description?
[20:30] <eagle00789> i've got no clue...
[21:08] <eagle00789> sorry, my isp disconnected me
[21:08] <eagle00789> they are working in my area to improve the connection
[21:10] <eagle00789> but my question still stands.
[21:10] <eagle00789> how to fix the Cannot find svn repository root. error
[22:07] <zsquareplusc> bah. how do i get rid of a "packages" entry on a project homepage?
[22:31] <stefanlsd> staging having issues again... timeout reporting bugs
[23:47] <zsquareplusc> how do i get rid of a "packages" entry on a project homepage? i created them by mistake (well, they link to the wrong place)


[03:27] <robertparkerx> My site is offline after udpating giving a 503 error and I don't know why
[03:33] <arraybolt3> Check the logs for failures (especially if any systemd units related to your side are down).
[03:34] <mybalzitch> php-fpm directory change?
[03:35] <robertparkerx> mybalzitch how to check what fpm sock is bieng used
[03:35] <mybalzitch> in your web server config file
[03:36] <robertparkerx> my virtualhost config?
[03:44] <robertparkerx> AH01114: HTTP: failed to make connection to backend: <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:44] <robertparkerx> Connection refused: AH00957: http: attempt to connect to <IP_ADDRESS>:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>:80) failed
[03:54] <robertparkerx> I have varnish installed or was installed
[03:54] <robertparkerx> I see the virtualhost are stil the same
[03:55] <robertparkerx> ./etc/apache2/ports.conf is still the same
[03:55] <robertparkerx> i started varnish but still the error persist
[04:13] <robertparkerx> its supposed to have ssl termination
[04:13] <robertparkerx> curl <IP_ADDRESS>:8080 returns true
[04:13] <robertparkerx> 80 returns conneciton refused
[04:50] <oerheks>  php-fpm /usr/local/cpanel/scripts/php_fpm_config --check


[01:42] <mhall119> knome: sorry, we've discussed it briefly but not thoroughly yet
[01:42] <mhall119> knome: I'll send out a reminder email
[06:31] <Kilos> o/
[06:39] <Mister_Q> good morning everyone o/
[06:40] <Kilos> hi Mister_Q toddy dholbach svij and others
[06:52] <toddy> hi Kilos
[06:58] <MooDoo> morning
[07:05] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[07:16] <dholbach> hey dpm
[07:17] <dpm> morning dholbach
[07:18] <popey> Greetings from sunny Heidelberg
[07:18] <tsimonq2> hey all!
[07:18] <tsimonq2> ALAN! :D
[07:18] <popey> YO!
[07:19] <tsimonq2> how are you?
[07:19] <popey> Great!
[07:19] <tsimonq2> hey dholbach :D
[07:19] <popey> hows you?
[07:19] <dholbach> hey tsimonq2
[07:19] <dholbach> hey hey :)
[07:20] <tsimonq2> great popey :)
[07:20] <tsimonq2> hey hey hey dholbach :D
[07:20] <tsimonq2> how are you?
[07:20] <dholbach> great - how are you?
[07:20] <tsimonq2> great :)
[07:21] <tsimonq2> man I love being up at night :D
[07:23] <tsimonq2> you see the Lubuntu bug day details yet, dholbach?
[07:23] <dholbach> tsimonq2, I had a brief look at the page, but not time to digest it much
[07:23] <dholbach> do you need help with anything?
[07:25] <tsimonq2> I would love for someone in Europe that has bug hunting experience to hang out in #lubuntu-devel and answer questions. :)
[07:25] <tsimonq2> on that day
[07:26] <tsimonq2> (just in case I decide to sleep normally that day :P)
[07:26] <dholbach> I'm not sure I'm a good person for that
[07:26] <dholbach> I don't know a single thing about lubuntu
[07:27] <dholbach> is nobody from the lubuntu community around?
[07:27] <dholbach> or somebody from the bug team?
[07:27] <dholbach> maybe somebody from the ubuntu-quality list?
[07:28] <tsimonq2> the Lubuntu team is primarily in the US, with the exceptions of Rafael (artwork) and Julien who doesn't stick on IRC for much
[07:28] <tsimonq2> s/much/long/
[07:28] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:29] <tsimonq2> dholbach: I just wanted to ask to see if someone on the community team was available before I widen my search :)
[07:29] <tsimonq2> o/ czajkowski, how are you?
[07:30] <dholbach> tsimonq2, I'd ask somebody from the QA/bug community
[07:30] <tsimonq2> alright :)
[07:32] <czajkowski> tsimonq2: sleepy, but not bad. doing a quick check of mail then logging off till 4:30pm today as working west coast hours all this week
[07:32] <tsimonq2> oh okay czajkowski :)
[07:33] <czajkowski> tsimonq2: I sit in on QBRs this week and point out where I can help and how we can improve things for the next quarter and what influence the work we did to help in the last quarter
[07:41] <tsimonq2> QBRs?
[07:42] <czajkowski> Quarterly business reviews
[07:42] <tsimonq2> oic
[07:42] <tsimonq2> well cool :)
[07:43] <tsimonq2> what do you do? :)
[08:19] <czajkowski> tsimonq2: community manager at couchbase
[08:29] <svij> good morning!
[08:33] <knome> mhall119, thanks. i'll be mostly this week, and when i come back, we plan to move the issue forward, so it would be very nice if you could do any potential commentary by next week
[08:35] <tsimonq2> cool czajkowski :)
[12:52] <dholbach> dpm, popey: are you going to do the Q&A from Heidelberg any time in the next days?
[12:52] <dholbach> I'm just asking because I won't be able to make it
[12:52] <popey> I suspect that might be tricky
[12:53] <dholbach> (won't be able to make it tomorrow...)
[12:54] <dpm> dholbach, let's leave the Q&A as it is tomorrow, and we can look at whether we can organize a snappy Q&A on Wednesday
[12:54] <dholbach> davidcalle, dpm, mhall119, popey: will any of you have time tomorrow?
[12:55] <dpm> dholbach, not popey or I probably. If you or mhall119 can't do it, I'd say please make sure it's reflected on the UbuntuOnAir calendar
[12:55] <davidcalle> dholbach: I will
[12:55] <dholbach> davidcalle to the rescue
[12:56] <dholbach> I'll be on the way to catch a plane
[12:56] <davidcalle> dholbach: where there is WIFI, there is a way :P
[12:57] <davidcalle> dpm: popey: how is the sprint going?
[12:57] <dholbach> sounds fair - maybe I'll get the security personnel at the airport to answer a few questions too :-P
[12:58] <davidcalle> dholbach: "What's in Daniel's bag"
[12:59] <dholbach> maybe they'll have an answer to "hud?" too :-P
[13:00] <davidcalle> :)
[13:03] <mhall119> I can't do the Q&A tomorrow, will be taking the kids to school, I can do wednesday though
[13:20] <popey> davidcalle: intensse
[13:30] <mhall119> popey: I hope nobody thought this was going to be a holiday for them :)
[13:31] <mhall119> popey: send my regards to all the community folks there
[15:31] <dholbach> jose, looks like we won't have a Q&A tomorrow - can you get it off the schedule for us?
[16:04] <dholbach> all right - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[16:04] <Kilos> sleep tight dholbach
[16:05] <dholbach> I'll do that, later :)
[17:25] <Kilos> how do i remove a paste at paste.ubuntu.com please. it doesnt wordwrap
[17:26] <Kilos> so everything is in one long line. sigh
[17:27] <pleia2> you can try submitting a ticket to canonical IS, but unless it's a security problem I wouldn't waste their time
[17:27] <Kilos> no its not security related
[17:28] <wxl> i would consider that a benefit, not a detriment
[17:28] <Kilos> this blog poste could make waves so i would like some feedback before posting it
[17:29] <Kilos> pleia2 you do the magazine, could you read it and tell me please
[17:29] <Kilos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19923135/
[17:29] <Kilos> any opinions are welcome
[17:30] <Kilos> hggdh will you as well please and wxl  of course
[17:32] <wxl> Kilos: might want to try a google doc instead
[17:33] <wxl> that would allow us to actually make reasonable comments on it as well
[17:33] <Kilos> my other blogs go through fine wxl , its just the pastebin issue
[17:33] <Kilos> my blog is at blogspot
[17:34] <pleia2> Kilos: do your blog posts go to planet.ubuntu.com ?
[17:34] <wxl> i'm saying that you're asking for feedback. you can't really provide feedback on pastebin, but you can on a google doc.
[17:34] <Kilos> yes pleia2
[17:34] <wxl> and google docs ALSO wordwrap
[17:35] <pleia2> Kilos: I run the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, planet posts will make it in :) I'd likely put this in the LoCo News section
[17:35] <pleia2> s/Google Docs/pad.ubuntu.com
[17:35] <Kilos> your decision pleia2
[17:35] <pleia2> (let's promote free software here :))
[17:36] <wxl> I'd say it deserves some clarity of language
[17:36] <Kilos> ill look at google docs as well
[17:36] <Kilos> explain please wxl
[17:36] <wxl> for example:
[17:36] <wxl> It seems to me that running a LoCo there is a personal thing and not in the best interests of Ubuntu.
[17:36] <wxl> i have no idea what the "personal thing" is
[17:36] <Kilos> thats what is going to make the waves
[17:37] <wxl> i don't think it will stated the way it is
[17:37] <wxl> it'll just make people wonder
[17:37] <Kilos> hggdh can explain better
[17:37] <Kilos> ill try reword it
[17:37] <wxl> if you put it up on Google Docs or Etherpad we can help
[17:37] <Kilos> oh yes i forget etherpad
[17:38] <Kilos> im older man
[17:38] <Kilos> haha
[17:42] <Kilos> wxl please give me a link to etherpad
[17:42] <wxl> Kilos: pad.ubuntu.com
[17:42] <Kilos> struggling tonight'
[17:42] <Kilos> ty
[17:43] <Kilos> it says developer summit
[17:44] <Kilos> is that ok to use for something like this?
[17:48] <wxl> yes
[17:48] <wxl> we really need to change that at some point
[17:48] <wxl> it gets heavily used during the developer summits
[17:48] <Kilos> ok ill post to there now
[17:51] <Kilos> eish i cannot paste there
[17:51] <Kilos> http://pad.ubuntu.com/ufjDVJgYJX
[17:52] <Kilos> so everything is in the chat block
[17:53] <wxl> there i just pasted
[17:54] <wxl> ugh
[17:54] <Kilos> i cant close the window that opened when i ticked invite
[17:54] <wxl> but it should be use that pasted it
[17:55] <wxl> i'm going to break this down into individual sentences
[17:55] <Kilos> ok ty
[17:56] <Kilos> im going to close and come back again that invite window is in the way
[18:02] <wxl> Kilos: let's clean out that chatty business and we can start discussing the questions at hand?
[18:03] <Kilos> whew that etherpad is for young peeps
[18:03]  * wxl is not THAT young
[18:03] <Kilos> im 65
[18:03] <wxl> i'm 39. so yeah, but still. :)
[18:04] <Kilos> we can discuss it here , i have nothing to hide
[18:04] <Kilos> better if some of the cc see the discussion so that they are informed
[18:05] <wxl> so the comments i made (preceded with "  -- ") discuss some of the things where i think the language fails to communicate your point, or could be improved
[18:05] <wxl> i'd start with working on those
[18:05] <Kilos> for example- look at the ubuntu-pk site
[18:05] <Kilos> i changed that to badge of personal honour
[18:05] <wxl> yes and i think that's good
[18:06] <Kilos> ok you ask and ill answer
[18:06] <wxl> Just when things start running smoothly at home
[18:06] <wxl>   --- so has your loco been running smoothly or your home life has been running smoothly?
[18:06] <Kilos> mine?
[18:06] <Kilos> lol
[18:06] <Kilos> my loco runs the best of all
[18:06] <Kilos> #ubuntu-za
[18:07] <wxl> ok so then i'd state that
[18:07] <Kilos> thats why i get upset when i see these problems
[18:07] <wxl> because the natural logic is that your loco is running good and you are benefiting from it and others are, and you want to see that happen in the rest of the world or at least wonder why it's nto happening
[18:08] <Kilos> correct
[18:08] <Kilos> i want to try help locos run smoothly as mine does
[18:08] <wxl> so you can change that sentence. improving the communication of that logic will help people put themselves in your headspace and better empathize with the concerns you express later
[18:09] <Kilos> oh ok
[18:09] <wxl> i think it's also a good idea to talk about what you have accomplished, both with your loco and with other locos
[18:10] <wxl> giving examples of the positive effects of locos with involved leadership will again help people see the reason to be concerned about this issue
[18:10] <Kilos> in my blog the africa project was all explained
[18:10] <wxl> i mean, that's why you care, after all
[18:10] <Kilos> yes
[18:10] <wxl> well, not in what i'm reading :)
[18:10] <wxl> so you might want to add a link
[18:10] <Kilos> ok
[18:10] <wxl> but also talk about other accomplishments you've made, such as the irc channels
[18:11] <wxl> like i'm talking about details
[18:11] <wxl> not just mentioning it
[18:11] <Kilos> ok so naming the channels is fine
[18:11] <wxl> the more you can give someone a mental picture of the situation, the better they will be able to relate and the more they can relate the more they will care
[18:11] <Kilos> aha
[18:11] <wxl> if there are any particularly noteworthy experiences, i'd mention that
[18:12] <wxl> say for example that while you were trying to help out some channel someone came in for support and got it and got to experience the value of a loco for the first time.. that's a good example. that kind of thing
[18:12] <Kilos> ok
[18:12] <Kilos> gonna be a long blog
[18:12] <wxl> it should be!
[18:13] <wxl> this is no small subject
[18:13] <Kilos> agreed
[18:13] <wxl> this is not something that people are just going to immediately get or immediately relate to
[18:13] <wxl> the primary issue i have with your post is that the logic doesn't really flow well or isnt' explained. i think if you can clear that up, people will get it
[18:13] <wxl> for example:
[18:13] <wxl>   --- is this what started your task to improve locos globally or is this what caused the problem?
[18:13] <wxl> It all started because one poor fella in Asia applied for Ubuntu Membership without any guidance or support from his LoCo.
[18:14] <wxl> that sentence just seems to appear out of nowhere
[18:14] <wxl> it's not clear how it relates to the sentences around it
[18:14] <Kilos> what started it was a youngster applying for membership without guidance or support
[18:14] <Kilos> oh
[18:17] <Kilos> whew let me work on that wxl then ill bother you again
[18:17] <Kilos> 'ty for the help so far
[18:17] <wxl> Kilos: that's what you get when you ask the writer for help :)
[18:17] <Kilos> haha
[18:18] <Kilos> i should give you the basics and let you run with it
[18:18] <wxl> well, i want you to be able to write your own stuff, so you can write more in the future :)
[18:19] <Kilos> hahaha


[00:00] <zxmpi_> that's a lot of soldering?
[00:03] <daftykins> more hot air really after the reballing is done
[00:10] <penguin42> the reballing stuff is pretty neat
[00:14] <daftykins> solder paste and stencils are pretty funky
[00:15] <daftykins> i used to see Louis doing it all the time for macbook SMCs
[15:00] <ball> Mornin'
[15:00] <ball> brb, shavin'
[15:02] <daftykins> o/
[15:07] <ball> Oh, I have to go...  being called.
[15:08] <zxmpi_> the long dark teatime of the soul calls us all :-)
[15:30] <zxmpi_> psion is still on orginal duracell batteries after 24 weeks. i must look into getting lithium insane long life jobbies and see if it can go a full year between changes :-D
[15:37] <daftykins> hehe
[15:37] <daftykins> i'm hoping mine will show up on youtube eventually
[15:37] <zxmpi_> fame at last :-P
[15:38] <daftykins> could well be!
[15:42]  * penguin42 wonders if you could run a Psion off ultra capacitors and  a solar cell
[15:44] <zxmpi_> some of the esp32 sbc's could probably emulate one on a sniff of power of a solar cell
[16:10] <zxmpi_> something like the nano pico when it has a few more k will be emulating everything from palms, psions to ataris and amigas hopefully :-)


[02:48] <django_> how do i enable wifi
[02:48] <django_> onlubuntu lol
[09:38] <bdbg24> hello   I cannot put the "ISO" of lubuntu beacause the file is 744 Mo and my CD contains only 700 Mo  How may I do ?
[09:41] <bdbg24> bonjour   je ne peux pas graver l'image iso de Lubuntu car elle fait 744 Mo et mon graveur CD refuse plus de 700 Mo Comment faire Merci
[09:47] <hateball> bdbg24: Use a larger CD or use a USB storage
[09:51] <bdbg24> hateball :  thanks   I dont'have  larger CD but I will put it on USB (don't know it was possible !)
[09:52] <hateball> bdbg24: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[09:59] <bdbg24> hateball : thanks again   bye
[13:27] <intx> the settings for weather on lubuntu/lxpanel do not save, anyone know why?
[13:28] <intx> i set my location, click ok, it restarts and it's still unset
[19:25] <fennesz> Hello ! Is there a way I can view the remaining space of a partition in lubuntu?
[19:25] <bioterror> df -h
[19:25] <fennesz> bioterror, Are you referring to my question?
[19:25] <bioterror> yes
[19:27] <bioterror> and if you want to go even more hifi way, you can configure conky for your desktop
[19:29] <fennesz> bioterror, from the Disks utility I have 3 partitions listed: /dev/sda1 - filesystem , /dev/sda2 - extended partion , swap partition 5
[19:30] <fennesz> with df -h I have this output:http://pastebin.com/KXQBPHRk
[19:32] <fennesz> on /dev/sda1 I have 3% free user space and I think this might cause problems . Should I go for gparted and extend this partition?
[19:32] <fennesz> I don't know what /dev/sda2 partition is used for... This lubuntu machine is installed as a VM on vbox
[19:35] <fennesz> this is the Disks utility http://imgur.com/cVvQXPK
[19:35] <fennesz> any idea?
[19:36] <bioterror> 'lsblk' prints you your drives
[19:36] <bioterror> and what they might be
[19:37] <fennesz> bioterror, http://pastebin.com/3RsWPt6j this is the output of lsblk
[19:37] <fennesz> 4g for swap ?
[19:38] <fennesz> Wouldnt 1g suffice?
[19:38] <bioterror> it depends
[19:39] <wxl> !swap | fennesz
[19:39] <fennesz> I have given 4gb to this vm . I think this is far than enough for lubuntu isn't it?
[19:40] <epictetus> 4gb is fine
[19:40] <fennesz> for swap?
[19:40] <epictetus> yeah.
[19:41] <fennesz> ok
[19:41] <fennesz> So I have to resize vm's hard disk ?
[19:41] <bioterror> / could be a little biffer
[19:41] <epictetus> i'm guessing if you use the system a lot and check swap usage with the "free" command you'll see it's using way way less than 4gb. Probably usually using 0GB or like, 100 megs
[19:41] <epictetus> so you could go less than 4GB if you want.
[19:42] <wxl> or use no swap if you want
[19:42] <wxl> or use a swap file instead of a swap partition
[19:42] <epictetus> there's this whole "Swap should be double RAM" rule that makes no sense, I think this rule started with like, Photoshop tech support telling people this in the 90s and it somehow getting applied to every other OS since then
[19:42] <wxl> or, etc. etc. etc.
[19:42] <bioterror> if you have enough of RAM, no need for swap
[19:42] <bioterror> epictetus, it makes sense if you hibernate
[19:43] <epictetus> I like to put a tiny swap in there cuz i've got this (possibly mistaken?) belief that the linux memory manager sometimes wants a little bit of swap for no reason
[19:43] <epictetus> instead of 0
[19:43] <epictetus> bioterror: yeah but people are applying the rule to like, servers that never hibernate ever
[19:43] <fennesz> Ok let's say I dont use swap or go with 1gb or so ,can I extend my filesystem partition with that additional (swap -3gb) space , and if yes how?
[19:43] <epictetus> servers with 32GB of ram and applications that use like 4GB (so the other 28GB is being used as disk cache)
[19:44] <epictetus> and they give it 64GB of swap, and during the life of the server the most that is ever used out of that 64GB swap is like, 8MB
[19:44] <epictetus> fennesz: yeah nondestructive repartitioning tools can probably do that for you
[19:45] <epictetus> fennesz: or you can use a destructive repartitioning method where you backup the data, fix the partitions, and restore the data from backup
[19:45] <fennesz> I would like the nondestructive one :)
[19:45] <fennesz> can you name one ?
[19:46] <epictetus> well parted
[19:46] <fennesz> gparted?
[19:46] <epictetus> i think that's another ver of the same tool?
[19:47] <epictetus> there's also some commercial ones like Acronis and Paragon
[19:47] <fennesz> do you know if gparted is in lubuntu live cd included?
[19:48] <bioterror> I would probably first swapoff and remove (outcomment) the swap line from /etc/fstab
[19:48] <epictetus> fennesz: pretty sure it is? idk
[19:49] <teward> fennesz: not sure if it is, I could check by dissecting the image, but if you go into the 'try lubuntu' option which I know exists, you can connect to the net, then run `sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install gparted` from the live cd terminal
[19:49] <teward> it won't stay on the disk, but...
[19:49] <teward> (you can run `apt-cache policy gparted` to see if it's installed though, before all that, in the Live session's terminal)
[19:49] <fennesz> teward , correct
[19:49] <fennesz> will do that now
[19:49] <fennesz> its a vm after all :)
[19:52] <fennesz> gparted is included in lubuntu live cd
[19:58] <fennesz> Guys , I have resized the swap partition but it is on the dev/sda2 , can I move the free disk space to dev/sda1?
[19:58] <epictetus> delete /dev/sda2
[19:58] <epictetus> resize sda1 to use the extra free space after deletign the entire sda2 partition
[19:58] <fennesz> correct ~
[20:00] <fennesz> the new swap shall be primary partition / linux-swap ,right?
[20:00] <epictetus> you don't need swap at all or you can use a swapfile (not a partition)
[20:00] <fennesz> what is the difference ?
[20:01] <epictetus> a swapfile is a file inside a filesystem that is used as swap (so instead of getting its own partition, it is just a file)
[20:01] <epictetus> there may be minor performance implications of that but they are gonna be irrelevant in this case
[20:01] <fennesz> ok , I read more about this .
[20:01] <epictetus> or just not have any swap
[20:01] <epictetus> like for instance if i did
[20:01] <fennesz> is this automatically created ?
[20:02] <epictetus> dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1M count=1024
[20:02] <epictetus> that would create a 1GB empty file
[20:02] <epictetus> then i could run
[20:02] <epictetus> mkswap /swapfile
[20:02] <epictetus> which formats that file as a swapfile
[20:02] <epictetus> then
[20:02] <epictetus> swapon /swapfile
[20:02] <epictetus> activates it
[20:02] <epictetus> (or add it to /etc/fstab so it gets automatically activated during boot / by swapon -a )
[20:03] <fennesz> thank you !
[20:04] <fennesz> i will try without any swap at first, then I will do this if I encounter any performance issues
[20:04] <fennesz> thank you all guys , much appreciated !
[20:08] <fennesz> hmmm, the boot time is by far slower now !
[20:10] <epictetus> fennesz: you probably didn't delete the line in /etc/fstab pointing to the old swap partition so it hung up for a while looking for it
[20:11] <fennesz> epictetus, ok let me check this
[20:12] <Lokie> hey, how to add stuff to the startup items?
[20:12] <fennesz> epictetus, http://pastebin.com/Lyv1s5QP this is the output of fstab
[20:12] <fennesz> should I remove the line with swap ?
[20:12] <epictetus> line 11
[20:12] <epictetus> is the swap line
[20:12] <epictetus> remove that one
[20:14] <fennesz> epictetus, win!
[20:14] <fennesz> thank you very much !
[22:20] <n-iCe> Ok, now I am using lubuntu
[22:20] <n-iCe> what a beast
[23:53] <django_> hey all
[23:53] <django_> how come my prtsc doesnt work
[23:54] <genii> django_: Check your Pictures directory
[23:54] <tsimonq2> genii: it is stored in ~
[23:54] <django_> oh
[23:54] <django_> genii, ty
[23:55] <tsimonq2> oh.
[23:55]  * tsimonq2 relooks the docs


[14:35] <gamerchick02> happy Sunday morning.
[15:39] <cmaloney> Good morning
[16:08] <gamerchick02> :)
[16:08] <gamerchick02> it's been good, for sure.
[16:44] <rick_h_> waf: cool yea one of the great things to come out of GSoC this year
[16:44] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea, will probably watch it tonight, been wanting to check it out
[16:45] <rick_h_> waf: that's cool that pipes is still around. I thought they were closing it
[16:52] <waf> yeah, me too
[17:10] <jrwren> yeah, I thought pipes was long gone.
[17:40] <gamerchick02> yahoo pipes?
[17:40] <gamerchick02> gosh i remember mucking with that.