[00:08] <wgrant> fo0bar: qemu in focal-proposed should be fixed.
[00:24] <blahdeblah> wgrant: It was broken?
[00:25] <wgrant> blahdeblah: Only for RISC-V, fortunately.
[00:25] <blahdeblah> Ah, cool
[00:45] <AlecTaylor> hi
[00:45] <AlecTaylor> I'm getting a 500 server error on https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=expat - are you?
[00:49] <sarnold> AlecTaylor: it loaded for me just now; how about you?
[00:49] <AlecTaylor> Hmm yeah looks like it's working again
[00:56] <blahdeblah> AlecTaylor: The backend on that thing used to get clogged up a lot (unless they've done a major overhaul in the last year).  If problems persist, report in #canonical-sysadmin or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and someone can kick it.
[01:57] <fo0bar> wgrant: ta, replied to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu/+bug/1872945
[02:11] <wgrant> fo0bar: Thanks!
[06:02] <e-i-k-e> can somone confirm, that when enabling full disk encryption on an SSD in the initial setup, the installer sets the "discard" option in /etc/crypttab?
[06:03] <e-i-k-e> I guess that's a bad idea.
[13:10] <LocutusOfBorg> wgrant, planning to land silo?
[13:10] <LocutusOfBorg> riscv64 is mostly finished
[13:11] <wgrant> LocutusOfBorg: Yep, with release manager permission!
[13:12] <LocutusOfBorg> :)
[16:17] <cjwatson> rbasak: I can't remember if I've asked this before, but there are a few bits on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewReleaseCycleProcess that refer to the old Bazaar importer (search for "placeholder for future replacement").  Is there anything in the git importer that should replace those checklist steps?
[16:20]  * rbasak looks
[16:21] <rbasak> cjwatson: I don't think we need any equivalents of those.
[16:22] <cjwatson> rbasak: Cool, I'll just delete those then
[16:22] <rbasak> +1
[16:23] <cjwatson> sil2100: ^- I deleted those items both from the NRCP wiki page and from the Google doc checklist
[16:24] <cjwatson> (latter are currently suggestions)
[16:26] <rbasak> AFAICT, imports should just magically continue to work after a new series is opened. The only thing that might be affected is the "ubuntu/devel" and similar branch pointers, but the way things are arranged at the moment, the series list is loaded from the Launchpad on every individual package import run, so that should just update.
[16:34] <cjwatson> I think as well as the series update branch-distro was particularly fragile in the face of intermediate states while the new series was being created.  But no real reason you'd have replicated that from the other side of the webservice API boundary.
[16:39] <sil2100> cjwatson: thanks!
[16:40] <sil2100> It's good to have someone take a look at it earlier, rather than us scratching our heads when the time comes
[16:40] <cjwatson> I think I've been meaning to for several cycles now


[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:22] <GiGaHuRtZ> ikonia: are you around?
[14:23] <ikonia> yes ?
[14:24] <GiGaHuRtZ> ikonia: have you been contacted by AlanBell or Tm_T asking you to stop trying to impede on my attempts at support and discussion in channels not belonging to #ubuntu-irc while you are represzenting the ubuntu-irc project by wearing their poster on your back?
[14:25] <ikonia> no
[14:25] <ikonia> and it's nothing to do with this channel
[14:25] <ikonia> so please don't raise it here
[14:25] <GiGaHuRtZ> I know most projects here on freenode than hand out cloaks, hold their reps to be a higher standard. Fedora, Arch, etc all do this
[14:25] <Tm_T> GiGaHuRtZ: this is wrong channel for that I'm afraid
[14:25] <GiGaHuRtZ> ikonia: its the only way I can get a real answer
[14:25] <GiGaHuRtZ> And have it logged
[14:25] <GiGaHuRtZ> Where I wont be accused of lying
[14:25] <ikonia> #ubuntu-ops is logged
[14:26] <GiGaHuRtZ> Tm_T: Actually this was a perfect place
[14:26] <Tm_T> no
[14:26] <ikonia> this is not the right channel - this is for ubuntu 13.10 discussion
[14:26] <GiGaHuRtZ> ikonia: i have been in #uubuntu-irc-channel talking about you for over 2 weeks
[14:26] <GiGaHuRtZ> And its NOT logged
[14:26] <ikonia> please, re-read, #ubuntu-ops
[14:26] <GiGaHuRtZ> And our pm's are not publicly logged
[14:26] <AlanBell> this is not the perfect place
[14:26] <GiGaHuRtZ> #ubuntu-irc-council *
[14:27] <Tm_T> that reminds me, need to try xmir
[14:27] <ikonia> ha ha
[14:27] <ikonia> positive out of a negative
[14:33] <BluesKaj> tried to install ubuntu 13.04 in virtualbox , but the install gives an address error and hangs, don't even get to the options page.
[14:34] <NanduX> is it a 32bit version, right?
[14:41] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:42] <BluesKaj> md5sum is fine as well
[14:45] <BluesKaj> running kubuntu 13.10 64bit as the host
[14:52] <BluesKaj> did.t want to add the unity desktop to the present OS , too much hassle with dupe apps cluttering the menus
[14:52] <BluesKaj> didn't , that is
[14:53] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: which error it does give?
[14:55] <BluesKaj> Tm_T, it's an address error with a string of numbers and letters just after plymouth (if that's what it's called now)
[14:56] <BluesKaj> looks to me like it's a HW recognititon problem
[14:56] <BluesKaj> err recognition
[15:05] <Tm_T> ah
[15:14] <BluesKaj> Tm_T, when I tried a clean kubuntu 13.04 install to a partition from cd , ubiquity would run for a bit then just hang and do nothiing
[15:15] <BluesKaj> so i suspect ubuntu has the same problem , just doesn't get past plymouth
[15:18] <BluesKaj> I was able to install 12.10 then I release upgraded to 13.04 and did the same with 13.10 when it was released for testing
[15:29] <BluesKaj> gonna tgry ubuntu 13.10 in the VB
[16:41] <AlanBell> I am finding input handling on the secondary monitor very weird with xmir on
[16:42] <AlanBell> it kind of judders, accepts keypresses, deletes them,puts them back
[16:42] <BluesKaj> hmm,wonder how virtualization could have been disabled in the BIOS
[16:43] <AlanBell> might be visual, frames not rendering in the expected order
[16:44] <BluesKaj> guess ubuntu 13.10 in virtualbox will use X and not Xmir ?
[16:45] <AlanBell> Bug #1216472 is probably what I have
[16:48] <yofel> BluesKaj: it will, the virtualbox drivers don't support mir
[16:48] <yofel> and don't hold your breath for it
[16:50] <BluesKaj> yofel, glad to hear it's X ...not holding my breath , believe me :)
[17:25] <ikonia> AlanBell: what card are you running xmir on
[17:28] <BluesKaj> guess unity needs more memory to run properly in VB , very slow and ponderous and it doesn't recognize my monitor's res capability
[17:29] <BluesKaj> guess the VB driver aren't up to the task
[17:48] <AlanBell> ikonia: intel, core i3
[17:48] <AlanBell> BluesKaj: it can run
[17:48] <AlanBell> if you have the guest drivers installed and 3d turned on
[17:49] <AlanBell> probably not Mir though
[17:51] <BluesKaj> guest additions can't be found error when i try to install it from the VB devices menu, so I'm running the install script in the VBadditions run file
[18:01] <paulo_gomes> hi, my vim modelines dont work
[22:04] <BluesKaj> gave up on the VB for ubuntu saucy an installed it on a partition ...seems ok so far , some getting used to tho compared to kubuntu


[00:01] <fta> i trashed my profile a few times today
[00:03] <stevel> hrm - what errors are you seeing in the console? can you pastebin them?
[00:04] <fta> stevel, here is the leak, http://paste.ubuntu.com/62250/
[00:04] <fta> at line 11, i hit play
[00:05] <stevel> wow awesome
[00:05] <stevel> in a totally not-awesome way
[00:05] <stevel> i assume your trunk build was using system GStreamer and not the bundled GStreamer?
[00:05] <fta> i get no sound, the window gets jerky when moved, then it freezes
[00:06] <fta> system GStreamer
[00:07] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/62251/
[00:07] <stevel> hrm - let's take this over to #songbird so we can get MikeS's opinion (he's our resident GStreamer guru)
[00:07] <fta> ok
[00:36] <fta> gnome bug 554771
[01:16] <fta> asac, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=957268
[01:17] <asac> darn. i know i forgot something
[01:18] <asac> not really this... but we are supposed to provide gnome-www-browser too
[01:19] <nxvl> asac: remove from that sentence
[01:20] <fta> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=956485
[01:20] <fta> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5987637&postcount=11  ???????
[01:21] <asac> fta: ignorable
[01:21] <asac> gone mad
[01:22] <asac> he doesnt see the maybe-flash issue
[01:22] <asac> nxvl: ok :) (which sentence?)
[01:22] <fta> oh, user install of flash
[01:22] <asac> fta: and who knows what
[01:23] <asac> fta: i mean he just copies around libdir files and renames them
[01:23] <asac> most likely he did even worse things to his sysdtem in the past
[01:23] <asac> at some point we have to admit that its not supportable
[01:28] <nxvl> asac: i will subcribe you to the bug report
[01:28] <asac> k
[01:28] <asac> i am off now (long overdue)
[01:28] <asac> will find that in my mailbox then i guess ;)
[01:29] <fta> asac, please anwser bug 94494 when you have time
[01:29] <nxvl> asac: Bug #276451
[03:09] <gnomefreak> im here for ~1hour if needed. working on extensions if they have been updated upstream
[03:10] <crimsun> there's a really nasty boog (bug 274995) that appears to be triggered on certain wifi hardware and NM
[03:10] <crimsun> I've probably spent about 60 consecutive non-work hours chasing this in the past several days
[03:17] <gnomefreak> holy crap
[03:26] <crimsun> I can't reproduce it with my wifi hardware, and I certainly can't reproduce the alsa-utils bit
[03:27] <crimsun> the next point of debugging will be to ask users to blacklist their wifi kernel module and attempt to reproduce the (seeming) hang
[03:27] <crimsun> if that approach resolves the symptom, my hours will be vindicated ;-)
[03:58] <gnomefreak> eh upgradin extensions section on wiki needs work
[16:05] <asac> crimsun: oh dear
[16:05] <asac> crimsun: any indication what wifi hw that is?
[19:58] <alsadk> i have installed flash player for linux mint but the firefox still have problem with flash files, it seems every thing ok if u ask about the installation
[20:48] <kbrosnan> .t
[20:49] <alsadk> ?
[20:49] <kbrosnan>  /t
[23:26] <crimsun> asac: in the bug report, I've now asked for more information from affected users
[23:55] <asac> crimsun: maybe i missed a few details in the bug, but why is that a NM issue?
[23:56] <asac> what has NM to do with shutting down alsa
[23:56] <asac> i see that some workarounds suggest to ifdown interfaces
[23:56] <asac> but thats not how its supposed to be


[05:53] <hikiko> hi
[05:58] <happyaron> hikiko: hey
[05:59] <happyaron> how are you
[06:04] <hikiko> hi happyaron :-)
[08:25] <desrt> morning, all
[08:35] <seb128> hey desrt, had a good w.e?
[08:36] <desrt> yes, but also a very difficult one
[08:36] <desrt> how was your weekend?
[08:37] <seb128> quite good, though a bit disappointed that we couldn't play the special tennis day on saturday due to the weather
[08:38] <desrt> did you get the snow side of it, or the rain?
[08:38] <seb128> snow
[08:38] <seb128> you?
[08:38] <desrt> both :p
[08:38] <desrt> woke up to snow on saturday and watched the rain clear it away in the afternoon
[08:38] <seb128> was it what created the difficult part of the w.e?
[08:39] <seb128> it sticked for most of the w.e here, just started being warmer yesterday afternoon
[08:53] <desrt> just some personal things to work through
[08:55] <willcooke> morning all
[08:55] <desrt> hi willcookie  (i caught the typo, but i'm just gonna let that one stand)
[08:55] <desrt> happy monday :)
[08:56] <willcooke> :D
[08:56] <willcooke> hey desrt
[09:03] <desrt> willcooke: cool email :)
[09:03] <willcooke> desrt, yay!  Glad you liked it :))
[09:06] <Laney> meow
[09:06] <desrt> *pat pat*
[09:06] <willcooke> morning Laney
[09:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:09] <seb128> hey Laney & willcooke
[09:09] <seb128> hey davmor2
[09:10] <willcooke> morning davmor2 seb128
[09:12] <Laney> hey willcooke davmor2 seb128 desrt
[09:13] <Laney> how's it going?
[09:13]  * Laney has cold hands
[09:19]  * desrt gives laney some hand warmers
[09:20] <Laney> :3
[09:21] <desrt> can someone explain :3 to me?
[09:21] <desrt> i don't get it
[09:22] <desrt> the intarwebs says that it's supposed to look like a cat.
[09:22]  * desrt very suddenly feels old
[09:23] <davmor2> Laney: cold hands, warm heart......that or you are a zombie
[09:31]  * Laney gnaws on davmor2
[09:31] <Laney> desrt: SHOCKED that you didn't immediately see it
[09:32] <Laney> it means cosy
[09:32] <Laney> hygge
[09:32] <davmor2> that or you have a handlebar Moustache you've been keeping quiet
[09:33] <Laney> :3)
[09:33] <Laney> looks more like I've been punched in the nose
[09:34] <desrt> or are a clown
[09:35]  * desrt tries to filter change signals, becomes unhappy
[09:35]  * davmor2 pictures Laney as an evil mastermind twirling his handlebar Moustache and laughing maniacally
[09:35]  * desrt considers that maybe she shouldn't try to do that
[09:35] <Laney> notify::president
[09:36] <desrt> there's a really beautiful duality here
[09:36] <desrt> and i think i'm resisting it a little bit too much
[09:36]  * desrt deletes a bunch of code
[09:36] <davmor2> desrt: :o) is obviously a clown
[09:37]  * desrt sees partial orders everywhere
[09:38] <davmor2> and this is the famous song in one emoticon :'o( ← tears of a clown
[09:50] <flexiondotorg> Morning Desktopers
[09:53] <davmor2> flexiondotorg: hey dude how's things down Sowff
[09:54] <davmor2> willcooke: we had snowmeggedon Saturday Morning we must of had more than 10 flakes /me still wants the Thundersnow his was promised by weathermen
[09:57] <willcooke> :D
[10:00] <davmor2> willcooke: there is a nice pic on G+ of white roves and everything very wintry 30 minutes later ofcourse it started to rain and that was the end of that :)
[10:21] <Laney> back in a minute, got to head to the sorting office to get something before they chuck it in the furnace
[10:21] <Laney> if it turns out to be junk mail
[10:21] <Laney> arhghghg
[12:37] <jbicha> Laney: what do you think of gnome-software 3.24 for zesty?
[12:38] <Laney> Haven't thought about it a lot
[12:38] <Laney> I think installing .debs by double clicking them may be broken atm
[12:38] <Laney> why do you ask?
[12:39] <Laney> also I have a branch on my laptop of a rebase of our stuff against master but I don't think I pushed it
[12:39] <Laney> which is to say that it'll be quite untested
[12:40] <jbicha> because I think we'll get nearly all the rest of GNOME 3.24 in and Feature Freeze is this week
[12:42] <jbicha> I'm keeping Evo at 3.22 and nautilus and gnome-terminal are still stuck at 3.20
[12:44] <jbicha> yes, it looks like the Install button for local .debs doesn't do anything
[12:45] <jbicha> I updated the gnome-software packaging locally against git master ( Refreshed 0001-Download-changelog-information-on-demand-this-stops-.patch and dropped 3 obsolete patches)
[12:47] <Laney> Pushed wip/ubuntu-master
[12:47] <Laney> Feel free to fix that bug if you want
[12:48] <Laney> 4e36b420bcae79543d4e7f506f5a39bd518e1d9d is what robert did for the snap one
[13:07] <Trevinho> Laney: could you please ACK package changes in https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2464 and.... At that point also follow the SRUing of it? :-)
[13:07]  * Trevinho has big requests
[13:07] <Trevinho> Hey all btw :-)
[13:08] <seb128> hey Trevinho!
[13:08] <Trevinho> hey seb128
[13:08] <Sweet5hark> heya all
[13:08] <Trevinho> do we have any move on that runtime thing?
[13:09] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark
[13:09] <seb128> Trevinho, not sure, I got lost in the middle of your arguments about renamings on friday
[13:09]  * Sweet5hark is drowning a bit in various battles because of the Linux in Munich story.
[13:09] <seb128> but Didier said he would pick it up for you
[13:09] <jbicha> Sweet5hark: LO 5.3 built, but the autopkgtests are failing :(
[13:09] <seb128> Sweet5hark, next chapter to that story?
[13:09] <Sweet5hark> jbicha: thanks for the upload!
[13:10] <Sweet5hark> jbicha: I will look at the autopkgtests ...
[13:11] <seb128> Trevinho, btw I don't know why you insist on getting your reviews from Laney only for packaging diffs, there are other people would could do that as well here...
[13:11] <Trevinho> seb128: cause I love to bother Laney :-D
[13:11] <seb128> lol
[13:12] <ricotz> hey desktopers
[13:12] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, hi, https://paste.debian.net/plain/914123 :(
[13:12] <Trevinho> seb128: but.... feel free to do it if you feel ignored :-P
[13:12] <seb128> Trevinho, if I was to review it I would probably say it's not fine for a SRU, the changelog should explains the debian/control and debian/rules changes so the SRU team knows if they are wanted or errors
[13:12] <flexiondotorg> o/
[13:12] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg ricotz
[13:12] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yeah, FWIW the city council just took the decision on it of the scheduled meeting on wednesday. seems like the signs of corruption are way to obvious for the party to support their mayor. but punted is not yet called of. some investigative journalists are waking up to the story though and smell blood in the pool, which is good.
[13:13] <flexiondotorg> davmor2 Sunny dahn saff.
[13:13] <Trevinho> actually those changes were neither needed for xenial. I just cherry-picked upstream
[13:13] <Trevinho> but let me check
[13:13] <flexiondotorg> seb128 o/
[13:15] <seb128> ricotz, why do you add a transitional for an empty/useless package? do upgrades get put on hold without that?
[13:16] <ricotz> seb128, yes, and there is still a Recommend on it
[13:16] <seb128> Sweet5hark, what did they decide to do?
[13:16] <seb128> ricotz, do you have a bug with an apt log showing why it thinks holding on the upgrade is a safer choice than removing an useless package?
[13:16] <seb128> that seems a bit weird to me
[13:16] <seb128> the transitional shouldn't be needed there
[13:16] <jbicha> Laney: do we still want https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-software/commit/?h=wip/ubuntu-zesty&id=5a39527fed
[13:18] <ricotz> seb128, the superflous Recommends causes it, so dropping this might make it work without a transitional
[13:19]  * ricotz is a bit annoyed while having this pointed out last week already
[13:19] <seb128> ricotz, that makes sense, let's try to do that and see if anyone still get upgrade issues
[13:19] <seb128> ricotz, you pointed it but I discussed it with Bjoern and none of us understood the rational of why you wanted to add a transitional
[13:19] <seb128> ricotz, explaining why changes are needed helps
[13:20] <ricotz> seb128, I mentioned the superfluous Recommends too
[13:20] <seb128> I'm sure Sweet5hark is going to drop that one
[13:21] <seb128> he's just busy with lot of things so changes take a bit of time
[13:21] <seb128> jbicha, what is "kudo"?
[13:21] <Laney> jbicha: Dunno, it's not meant to be a fully formed proposal, you kind of sprung this on me
[13:22] <Sweet5hark> seb128: they decided nothing yet (except underfunding the existing linux project). they had paid for a study by accenture (microsofts best buddies) hoping it would say "burn it down and use windows". except even accenture could bring themselves to write that, they most wrote "you main problem is that your organisation structure really sucks. also you have some technical issues (but not worse than other public admins on wi
[13:22] <Sweet5hark> seb128: the mayor then ignored the summary cherry-picked some quotes out of context and asked for a vote to go back to windows by 2020 on wednesday
[13:22] <Sweet5hark> seb128: that vote was just cancelled as some politician might either have discovered their conscience or realized this will backfire at them tainting them as corrupt.
[13:23] <Laney> I would update the wip/ubuntu-zesty branch if it were me
[13:23] <seb128> Sweet5hark, I see, "fun"
[13:24] <Laney> Trevinho: will look soon if nobody else does
[13:24]  * Laney lunch
[13:24] <Trevinho> Laney: thanks
[13:25] <Sweet5hark> seb128: and yeah, of course totally unrelated: MSFT recently moved the Germany HQ from a tiny village outside of Munich inside city borders (which is relevant for tax reasons).
[13:25] <Sweet5hark> the mayor was at the ceremony when they were laying the first stone.
[13:28] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, yeah, that is some story! :\
[13:41] <jbicha> seb128: it's the stuff under Details on the left: https://bicha.net/i/gnome-software-322-kudos.png
[13:42] <seb128> jbicha, oh, right, it should be easy to test for you by reverting the patch but I don't think any of that changed
[14:00] <Laney> Trevinho: what did you do
[14:00] <Laney> there's no packaging diff
[14:01] <seb128> Laney, I reviewed it saying that the debian/control|rules changes should be explaining in the changelog and he said those were not required, so I guess he did a respin without
[14:02] <Laney> seb128: nice
[14:02] <Laney> 2017-02-13 13:45:46 +0000 (bileto-bot) Currently building
[14:03] <Laney> would have been good to unping me :P
[14:07] <seb128> yeah
[14:07] <seb128> or to just ask on the channel rather than pinging specific people
[14:08] <Laney> indeed so
[14:20] <Laney> jbicha: I pushed that commit as a cherry-pick
[14:20] <Laney> I didn't put it on my proposed branch since it doesn't make sense for upstream
[14:21] <Laney> and if they reject it then I probably want to talk about us dropping it at some point
[14:21] <Laney> but not right now
[14:23] <jbicha> sure, that makes sense
[14:29] <seb128> jbicha, do the kudos work in Debian?
[14:31] <Laney> sure, just as they would work here
[14:32] <Laney> They mostly come from as-glib
[14:33] <Laney> Some of them can be specified in the appdata directly and some are computed
[14:33] <Laney> I think they were considered to be not that high quality / useful before. Maybe that's changed, would need to have a look
[14:34] <seb128> Laney, the concept is a bit fuzzy to me, what does "translated" mean, especially in the context of langpacks
[14:34] <seb128> I think that's part of what we had issues with
[14:35] <Laney> I don't know, I'm deliberately not trying to have this discussion again now since nobody is proposing bringing them back atm
[14:35] <seb128> k, I saw you were saying they just work(tm)
[14:35] <seb128> which made me curious
[14:35] <seb128> saw->though
[14:36] <Laney> No, they would "work" here in the same way they "work" there
[14:36] <Laney> In saying that I mean there's no magic support anywhere
[14:36] <Laney> i.e. no specific enablement work required
[14:37] <Laney> it's "just" some UI and code
[14:37] <seb128> right
[14:38] <seb128> well at least I learnt that they come from as-glib
[14:38] <seb128> I didn't know if that was coming from the backend
[14:38] <Laney> it could also do
[14:38] <seb128> like maybe packagekit does things we don't in the aptd one
[14:38] <Laney> that's the plugin architecture of g-s
[14:38] <Laney> the apt plugin could so kudo related stuff if it wanted to
[14:39] <seb128> right
[14:39] <Laney> like if we enabled them then the snappy plugin would do something like this---
[14:39] <Laney> src/plugins/gs-flatpak.c:       gs_app_add_kudo (app, GS_APP_KUDO_SANDBOXED);
[14:39] <Laney> depending on the interface or whatever
[14:40] <seb128> right
[14:40] <seb128> anyway to reply to jbicha, we commented it because e.g translations were never showing as "true"
[14:40] <seb128> dunno if it works in the packagekit backend
[14:41] <seb128> or in other distros because their packagking format provides extra details
[14:41] <jbicha> I don't have a problem with continuing to hide the kudos; I only brought it up to make sure that we weren't dropping the patch to hide them (since it wasn't in the master patch queue)
[14:41] <seb128> k
[14:41] <seb128> seems everybody is fine with the current status then
[14:41] <jbicha> :)
[14:41] <seb128> can we me on then, good :-)
[14:42] <seb128> ups
[14:42] <seb128> can move on*
[14:44] <Laney> I wonder how it knows the percentage
[14:44] <Laney> probably don't need to find out right now :P
[14:44] <seb128> :-)
[14:48] <willcooke> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB0Zpr91qiA
[14:48] <willcooke> attente, ^ \o/
[14:49] <Laney> totally looked
[14:49] <Laney> it needs generator support
[14:49] <Laney> if that were the only issue we could hide just that kudo, fyi
[14:49]  * Laney moves on with life :P
[14:49] <attente> willcooke: :o
[14:49] <Laney> nice video
[14:49] <Laney> controls on the right!!!!
[14:50] <seb128> I was going to say!
[14:50] <seb128> how could they
[14:50] <willcooke> so hot right now
[14:51] <seb128> Laney, yeah, staying out of the discussion about those "kudos", I'm not sure how pertinant the "system integration" and "activity" badges are, but the "sandboxed" could be nice, probably a low priority item though
[14:52] <attente> is gtk still blocking builds because of the ubuntu-app-launch upstart depends?
[14:52] <Laney> yes
[14:52] <Laney> ted_g_ has been pinged multiple times
[14:53] <attente> ok, thanks Laney
[15:32] <ksamak> Trevinho: hi. i have a question, what mutual exclusion lock mechanism would one use inside compiz, say in ezzom module? XD
[15:34] <ksamak> andyrock: same if you have insight
[15:34] <ksamak> s/ezzom/ezoom
[16:03] <willcooke> Laney, tedg_ is looking at the u-a-l work.  It's going to take some time, he's interested to know what the gtk timelines look like.  We're what, 10 days from beta 1?  A month or so from final beta right?
[16:05] <alecu> willcooke: also we'd like to know if there's any other option for this, in case a clean solution in UAL takes too long. tedg_ mentioned that it might be possible to make the gtk dependency on contenthub be optional
[16:05] <alecu> but not sure if that's a lot more work
[16:06] <dobey> i think it would be far easier to just make the contenthub dep be optional in gtk+
[16:06] <tedg_> To be clear, we're not talking months. I think that end of the week is optimistic, but probably next week is possible. But we didn't know how much of a problem gtk blocking is.
[16:06] <Laney> It's not the end of the world right now - the only change being held out is attente's recent work on the Mir backend - but it means we can't do any further fixes if we need to.
[16:07] <Laney> And yes, of course we could implement a hack to turn off the Mir backend on s390x, but that would be a hack
[16:08] <Laney> Enough of those in the archive already due to lack of upstart there
[16:09] <tedg_> Sure, it'll be interesting to see what things break once UAL lets a bunch more build on s390x ;-)
[16:10] <tedg_> Okay, so it sounds like removing it correctly from UAL is the right solution. So we'll get started on that, it's just not gonna be quick.
[16:10] <dobey> interesting as in "may you live in interesting times" perhaps
[16:10] <Laney> It's been easier every time to work around the problem
[16:10] <Laney> but now we're in a state where there's a wobbly tower that's been constructed
[16:11] <Laney> Thanks for working on it. :)
[16:11]  * dobey doesn't live in italy ;)
[16:12] <attente> i'll make gtk -> content-hub optional in the mean time
[16:12] <Trevinho> ksamak: mh, since we've c++11 there now, I'd go for std::lock
[16:13] <alecu> Laney: willcooke: thanks for bringing it to our attention.
[16:14] <Laney> attente: We'll end up with some ugly "if not s390x" or "if not upstart" thing in gtk if you do that
[16:15] <Laney> alecu: thank *you* for helping it along!
[16:15] <ksamak> Trevinho: i find out that when cloning the mousepoll plugin, i have problems calling a callback
[16:15] <ksamak> and i get segfaults in operator() :-S
[16:15] <ksamak> i don't really know what to make of that
[16:16] <Trevinho> ksamak: mh, that might be much generic.. But in general that could happen because of loops around?
[16:16] <Laney> Saw a big queue in town on Friday night (7pm)
[16:16] <dobey> Laney: why would that be? i disagree. it would be "if not libcontent-hub-glib" no?
[16:16] <Trevinho> like you call something that triggers an x events that brings you there
[16:16] <Trevinho> or...
[16:16] <Laney> ... http://www.nottinghampost.com/sneaker-heads-finally-get-their-hand-on-kanye-west-s-yeezy-boost-trainers-after-queuing-for-days/story-30128812-detail/story.html
[16:17] <dobey> Laney: ie, if pkg-config can't find the library, don't built the support.
[16:17] <ksamak> hum... that's really frustrating, if i put the exact same logic in the mousepoll plug, it works, but not with changing the name to focuspoll XD
[16:17] <ksamak> well, i'll continue looking for things...
[16:18] <Laney> dobey: Ok, it'll be an arch-specific build-dep in the package and an ifdefed codepath in the code and an arch-specific runtime dependency in the -dev package
[16:19] <Laney> All to let something that we want to remove not be removed right this second
[16:19]  * Laney is happy it's being worked on rather than that
[16:20]  * dobey wonders if anyone has even run any gtk+ application ever, on s390x
[16:20] <dobey> anyway
[16:21] <dobey> i don't think it's to avoid removing right this second. i think it's more about finding the smallest set of changes to keep everything moving forward
[16:21] <dobey> but eh
[16:22] <Laney> Increasing the technical debt ceiling
[16:22] <dobey> politics :)
[16:22] <dobey> anyway, need to get lunch here
[16:28] <xnox> dobey, no, but there are src packages that have gtk+ build-deps and build command line utils.
[16:29] <xnox> and that makes dependency graphs sad.
[16:41] <b4n> andyrock: around?  I get that you probably didn't get much further on the a11y shortcuts since the other day, but if I can do *anything* to help, please tell me :)
[16:41] <andyrock> yep
[16:42] <andyrock> I'm afraid if you want to see that fixed you need to work on it alone
[16:42] <andyrock> i'm blocked on other stuff
[16:42] <andyrock> i'm blocked on other stuffi told you before it's going to be very very difficult
[16:42] <b4n> do you have anything I could strat off?
[16:45] <b4n> or your research didn't yet yield any useful code, even as a start?
[16:45] <b4n> (which I'd get given the complexity I'm sensing)
[16:49] <andyrock> not really I was able to use xi2 to get the events
[16:50] <andyrock> but using another display connection
[16:50] <andyrock> but using another display connection
[16:50] <andyrock> not really I was able to use xi2 to get the events
[16:50] <andyrock> not the one from screen->dpy()
[16:59] <b4n> andyrock: and this had race problems then, that's it?
[18:11] <andyrock> b4n: yep
[18:11] <andyrock> it's not a good idea to have two dpy connection inside compiz
[18:24] <willcooke> night all
[18:31] <seb128> good evening desktopers
[18:40] <jbicha> Sweet5hark: nacc pointed out that libreoffice/zesty isn't using the system orcus
[18:40] <jbicha> and the autopkgtest isn't picking up ant
[19:43] <jdstrand> desrt: hey. I'd like to play with the v4 dconf patches on the apparmor mailing list. do you have a dconf in a ppa or patches or something so I can test kernel w/ aa userspace w/ dconf?
[19:43] <desrt> there's no aa part of dconf yet, so not much to test there
[19:43] <desrt> attente was going to write it once he got an API to write against
[19:44] <desrt> is it possible to do that at this point?
[19:44]  * desrt was just about to run out to the bar
[19:45] <attente> jdstrand: desrt: haven't written that yet, but j_johansen already sent the patches to the ML
[19:50] <jdstrand> attente: curious on the timeframe for that? I'm asking because I've been asked to review those patches considering how it might be used in snappy policy
[19:50] <jdstrand> attente: I'd be happy with poc code or really anything where dconf is using libapparmor to mediate/log/something I can look at the results of
[19:51] <attente> jdstrand: i can look at it today
[19:51] <jdstrand> attente: if that isn't available or timelines don't match up, I'll do my review from a different perspective
[19:51] <jdstrand> attente: ok, that would be handy. thank you :)
[19:52] <jdstrand> attente: I can't look at it today and likely not tomorrow, so not a huge rush (would like to midweek though, if that works for you)
[19:54] <attente> jdstrand: good to know, thanks
[19:55] <attente> jdstrand: it might be delayed anyways since d_esrt is already eod and i might have questions for her...
[19:56]  * jdstrand nods
[22:04] <dobey> desrt: hey. is there any way to get the summary/description of a gsettings key, with the cli tool?
[22:07] <jbicha> dobey: gsettings describe
[22:08] <dobey> jbicha: is that hidden? or only in a newer version of gsettings?
[22:14] <jbicha> it's new for 16.10
[22:24] <dobey> yeah, i need it to work in 16.04 too :(
[23:30] <TheMuso> dobey: Probably the API was there previously, and since 16.10 there has been a CLI UI to do so.
[23:31] <TheMuso> Since dconf-editor has been able to display that stuff for ages afaik.


[21:05] <ihio> I am trying to import remote keys, but it doesnt work. am I missing something?
[21:06] <sammy> this seems like a good excuse to ditch ubuntu.
[21:07] <SonikkuAmerica> !details |  sammy
[21:09] <sammy> SonikkuAmerica: eh, I just meant on this machine. I'm not going to reinstall it after this. do-release-upgrade dropped me to a shell to investigate a simple config file diff, and when I exited the shell, it closed the terminal the upgrade was in
[21:09] <mbainrot> quick question, I am using gitextensions-mono and for some reason for TAGMESSAGES it's using \ instead of /, anyone know off the top of their head how to fix? quick googling yields nothing so I suspect its a chronic case of mbainrot brainrot
[21:09] <jayjo> Is there any way to get my cron job reports without having an MTA installed?
[21:09] <SonikkuAmerica> sammy: Then [ sudo killall do-release-upgrade ] and re-run it
[21:10] <jayjo> Can I store them somewhere and access them manually periodically?
[21:10] <sammy> jayjo: you can get an MTA to deliver them locally; it's not terribly hard to get postfix or a very very simple MTA setup with no internet mailing
[21:11] <sammy> SonikkuAmerica: no, no thanks. there's nothing to re-run, my source lists have already been changed. it's too late to run it again,  it had already downloaded and installed/upgraded most packages
[21:12] <sammy> dpkg is still running, waiting for me to return from checkign out the diff
[21:12] <SonikkuAmerica> sammy: You should be able to reattach screen
[21:12] <sammy> SonikkuAmerica: it closed it.
[21:12] <SonikkuAmerica> screen died?
[21:12] <sammy> SonikkuAmerica: this is what I'm tryiing to say, i typed exit, and I got the 'x to remove or r to reattach' message
[21:13] <sammy> like it does when the entire upgrade is over
[21:13] <SonikkuAmerica> Did you hit X?
[21:13] <SonikkuAmerica> If not, it should be listed in [ screen -r ]
[21:14] <sammy> you're not listening :( it closed. hitting r would only re-run do-release-upgrade which wont help me now that my sources are changed and lsb_relase says I'm on the version I was trying to upgrade to
[21:14] <sammy> but yes, I finally hit x after hitting r and seeing it was trying to re-run the ugprade (which is still halted int he background) to no avail
[21:14] <sammy> and even if I hadn't hit X and re-attached to it, I already got the 'x or r' mesasge, which meant the terminal the upgrade was in had closed
[21:15] <EriC^^_> sammy: try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade if it failed on an upgrade, maybe
[21:15] <sammy> and I think you may have meant `screen -ls` for a listing
[21:15] <sammy> EriC^^_: dpkg is still running. the upgrade is still running :P
[21:15] <meisth0th> hi
[21:15] <SonikkuAmerica> sammy: For a listing, yes... but do you have more than 1 screen session going?
[21:15] <sammy> at this point I'm too wary to go and kill it off until I'm sure there's no way to resume it
[21:16] <yeats> sammy: 'tail -f /var/log/dpkg.log' would show you if it's still running
[21:16] <sammy> that will definitely get me to a point that I may not be able to recover from
[21:16] <meisth0th> i'll install ubuntu, would you recommend to wait until 15.04 is released?
[21:16] <sammy> yeats: I can see the processes :P
[21:16] <sammy> they're all there, including the python process running the /tmp/upgrade-whatever-script-thingy-randomgarbage
[21:16] <sammy> it's like it paused to let me check the diff, then kicked me out. it's all still there
[21:17] <sammy> meisth0th: you can always install 14.04 and then upgrade. I'd suggest that, and wait until 15.04 has been out for about a month or so, so they can work out the kinks
[21:17] <sammy> that way you can install now and you wont have to wait!
[21:17] <sammy> despite what you see here, the upgrade process is pretty painless.
[21:18] <meisth0th> sammy, if i install 15.04 beta 2 now, will i get a unstable system?
[21:18] <Bashing-om> meisth0th: !st time user ? I would suggest installing  the Long-Term-Support release, 14.04 .
[21:18] <meisth0th> Bashing-om, coming from arch linux, don't think i'll have issues.
[21:19] <sammy> meisth0th: not necessarily. in fact, most likely not. if you don't mind tracking down bugs and the like, run 15.04
[21:19] <Bashing-om> meisth0th: Great ,,, have at it .. but be aware 15.04 is only supported for 9 months, then upgrade time .
[21:19] <sammy> it's like any other rolling release software; the longer each version has been out, the more time people have had to work out the bugs
[21:20] <trfsrfr> what is the command to load my internet bookmarks (json file)into firefox?
[21:21] <meisth0th> sammy, ok thanks, loading 15.04 beta 2 to usb now :)
[21:22] <irnfoot495> Hello I have a problem with my php scripts can't seem to get them to work. They are about 6 yrs. old and just wont work. I really need help to find out what to do.
[21:28] <phelix> I was working on a bash script and accidently messed something up.. I don't have like rm or ls or a ton of different commands. Any idea how I can get these back?? I tried to apt-get install coreutils but it says its already installed and a reinstall seems to not work =/
[21:29] <jayjo> can I just log the errors from cron somewhere on the machine?
[21:30] <xjkx> I run ubuntu 14.04, libreoffice <IP_ADDRESS>, my templates for Impress don't work, they seem good from normal view, but once I press F5 to slide-show, the image of the background of the template turns half white, even though it looks fine before I press F5, I'm using Vintage template, I don't remember if I downloaded or it came with it, but all I downloaded were from official page anyway
[21:30] <Bashing-om> phelix: Which script ? Might be lucky and have a backup file -> ls -l /var/backups <- .
[21:31] <phelix> not sure cat doesn't work either =/ some bash script I was working on myself. Kinda new to bash scripts and was trying to rm some specific files and something bad happend. it like nuked all my important commands
[21:31] <phelix> I am not sure what to do
[21:33] <tadzik> hello ubunters. In 14.10 I disable intel_powerclamp so it wouldn't throttle my CPU to 600 MHz when I need to do stuff on it, now I updated to 15.04 for newer mesa but even though intel_powerclamp is blacklisted my CPU is still at 400 MHz when under load, is there a good way to prevent it from doing that?
[21:33] <tadzik> I'm on "performance" governor
[21:33] <tadzik> nothing interesting in dmesg
[21:33] <Wedge_> Anyone here good with gtk themes?
[21:34] <Bashing-om> phelix: IF you know which file is messed up, might be able to boot to "recovery" from grub boot menu , remount read/write and fix the file ??
[21:34] <treelzebub> i remain good at gtk themes by avoiding them altogether, personally :P
[21:37] <phelix> I Can't reinstall anything. I keep getting dpkg: warning: 'sh' not found in PATH or not executable
[21:37] <phelix> same with rm and tar
[21:37] <phelix> those files seemed to have been removed
[21:38] <genii> phelix: Do you have a livecd around?
[21:39] <phelix> I dont. this is a rackspace server
[21:39] <tadzik> current policy: frequency should be within 1.20 GHz and 1.32 GHz. The governor "performance" may decide which speed to use within this range. current CPU frequency is 405 MHz.
[21:39] <tadzik> what is this bullshit >:(
[21:39] <genii> tadzik: Please watch the profanity in here
[21:39] <tadzik> I'm sorry
[21:40] <phelix> is there anyway to get these files back on the server?
[21:40] <genii> phelix: Not without some way to externally boot and then debootstrap the affected partition
[21:41] <genii> phelix: ... does the command: ar    work?
[21:41] <phelix> yes
[21:43] <genii> phelix: Hm, was thinking you could grab deb files and ar -x them it, but then you still have to untar. Need to find a tar binary someplace first
[21:44] <phelix> k have another ubuntu machine. Gonna try and grab those missing binary files and copy them to the right spot
[21:44] <genii> phelix: Probably want to grab at a minimum the binutils and tar packages
[21:45] <phelix> ya
[21:45] <phelix> not sure how in gods name this bash script did this
[21:47] <genii> phelix: After you get a functional minimal back up should make a list of installed packages and then apt-get install --reinstall  them
[21:47] <phelix> ok I'll try that.. thank you
[21:51] <pankid> I have an Ubuntu 14.04 web server I want to patch some security vulnerabilities on, but dont want to reboot for the kernel update yet. Is it a terrible idea to echo kernel_package hold | dpkg --set-selections until I have a lull in traffic for a reboot?
[21:53] <yeats> pankid: you can go ahead and do the full 'apt-get upgrade' or 'apt-get dist-upgrade' then reboot when it's convenient
[21:53] <genii> phelix: echo $(dpkg --get-selections | grep install | cut -f1) | sudo apt-get install --reinstall        ...should work for that.  Basically, headphone in/out detection is no longer reliable. I never use the speakers. I want to force output to always come out through the headphones, whether they are plugged in or not
[21:54] <ihio> hello, I am trying to import remote gnupg keys, but it doesnt work when I find them and click on 'import'. am I missing something?
[21:54] <yeats> pankid: of course, things like apache restarts happen during APT updates, so you might see an interruption
[21:54] <peanuts> (am Guest24671) any idea how to do that?
[21:54] <peanuts> I can do it manually from the sound settings dialogue but, it reverts
[21:54] <yeats> pankid: (but it would be momentary)
[21:55] <ihio> ok, I am asking it in gnupg channel. thank you
[21:55] <pankid> yeats: I can't see that being a problem. Not a ton of traffic, I will just be in a world of hurt if the site goes down for more than an apache reload
[21:55] <yeats> pankid: it would probably be fine - I administer many high-availability ubuntu servers
[21:56] <pankid> yeats: thanks a ton
[21:56] <yeats> pankid: best of luck ;-)
[21:58] <Gallomimia> hello. i seem to be having rather a plethora of problems with this fresh install i’ve just made. i did several rather unusual things: i installed 14.04 LTS server, then installed ubuntu-desktop package. i also installed proprietary nvidia drivers from the xorg-edgers ppa. i can’t seem to get network to run properly, and booting without recovery mode makes the X crash upon entering password (or clicking guest login) booting in recovery
[21:58] <Gallomimia> seems to work but leaves no networking. any suggestions are welcome!
[22:02] <yeats> Gallomimia: I would check the logs for clues on the X issue - also, you're probably in limbo between NetworkManager and the server-style /etc/network/interfaces-style management
[22:02] <yeats> !networkmanager
[22:02] <Gallomimia> with text? i’ve done that before on remote vps’s. i can’t seem to meet up with the proper interface name
[22:03] <Gallomimia> the X issue is probably more pressing :/
[22:03] <yeats> Gallomimia: 'ifconfig' should show you the names of interfaces
[22:03] <Shaba1> Hello folks is there a tutorial on putting ubuntu on a usb key with PERSISTANT storage with WINDOWS
[22:03] <Gallomimia> yeats: that lists loopback only i’m afraid
[22:03] <Shaba1> All the ones I have found on the 'net assume you already have ubuntu on you machine.
[22:04] <yeats> Gallomimia: look in /etc/network/interfaces too - for the X issue, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and friends
[22:04] <Shaba1> or they reccomend an installation that takes up the whold usb key
[22:04] <yeats> !liveusb
[22:04] <yeats> Shaba1: ^^
[22:06] <taxomoney> Hello! Does anyone know how I can add a keyboard layout to the list you normally choose from? I installed Japanese language support and IBus Anthy, yet Jap. Anthy still dosent show up in the list.
[22:06] <Shaba1> Mot install FROM a usb stick
[22:06] <Shaba1> install TO a USB stick so you can boot the laptop to ubuntu
[22:06] <Gallomimia> yeats i should also mention that in building my install, i had grub-probe freak the heck out and spew all sorts of errors and dump core. it still does this when asking it to repair grub
[22:06] <yeats> Shaba1: read the second link :-/
[22:07] <yeats> Gallomimia: if you can collect and pastebin the errors, someone may be able to assist
[22:07] <mandaxFan> Wassup guys? How's it going?
[22:08] <mandaxFan> Guys, share your favorite Ubuntu package
[22:08] <yeats> !poll | mandaxFan
[22:08] <Shaba1> thanks reading
[22:08] <Gallomimia> yeats: i’ll try, but most of them are in places i can’t c&p. i’ve managed to google some of them and there’s open bug reports
[22:09] <phelix> genii I added those files and now I am getting a permission denied.. Do you know if i have to set a specific permission to them now?
[22:09] <yeats> mandaxFan: better to ask in #ubuntu-offtopic - this channel is for support
[22:09] <mandaxFan> oops, sorry I will leave :)
[22:11] <genii> phelix: 755 should be their permissions, root their user and group
[22:12] <phelix> is it safe to just run chmod -R 755 /bin ?
[22:12] <yeats> Gallomimia: you can try something like '<command> | tee errors.log' then install pastebinit and do 'pastebinit errors.log' (of course, that requires networking)
[22:12] <yeats> phelix: don't do that
[22:12] <phelix> ugh, I don't even have chmod working right. Getting permission error on chmod
[22:13] <genii> phelix: There are some like mount that have setuid, so no
[22:13] <Gallomimia> yes that’s a bit of a problem. i’m considering a scheme to transfer pastebin docs on a usb.
[22:13] <phelix> chmod must of been one of the files the script removed
[22:13] <phelix> i have chown but not  chmod
[22:13] <phelix> well those commands are there now but no permission to run them
[22:14] <Gallomimia> or maybe you lost access to chmod? perhaps the permission is removed for +x ?
[22:14] <Gallomimia> maybe your group got changed and you’re not in the group that can run it?
[22:14] <coffee-> !compatibility
[22:14] <Gallomimia> i think you need to learn about sudo
[22:14] <coffee-> !hardware
[22:14] <phelix> no I ran a bash script I was working on and messed something up and it deleted a ton of my files in /bin
[22:14] <phelix> so i found another ubuntu machine and coppied the missing files from there to this machine
[22:14] <Gallomimia> oh.
[22:15] <phelix> not sure what to do....
[22:15] <Gallomimia> maybe you should use a repair script? usb stick...
[22:15] <phelix> well the machine is at rackspace
[22:15] <Gallomimia> backup all your files
[22:15] <Gallomimia> oh
[22:15] <genii> phelix: Is it possible to pastebin the script you originally used which messed it up?
[22:15] <phelix> yea
[22:15] <Gallomimia> yeah that’d help!
[22:15] <Gallomimia> let’s read it.
[22:15] <phelix> ftp i think will let me download it
[22:15] <pc-moon__> synaptic give me message is Could not apply changes!
[22:15] <pc-moon__> Fix broken packages first
[22:15] <genii> ( so we can see what exactly it did)
[22:16] <pc-moon__> can some one tell me how fix that
[22:16] <Gallomimia> uh… dpkg -f install ?
[22:16] <pankid> are updates to ubuntu 14.04 stable pretty conservative? Will updates to php, mysql, apache break my web server if I am using an older version of zencart?
[22:17] <Gallomimia> uh… pankid i want to say probably
[22:17] <pankid> probably will break, or probably wont break?
[22:18] <l4l13n> pc-moon__,  you have to tell us what u r trying to install with synaptic and if it does that with eveything.
[22:19] <phelix> http://pastie.org/10099022
[22:19] <pc-moon__> im trying to install NVIDIA legacy binary driver -
[22:20] <pc-moon__> i have VESA: GM107 Board - 20120050 and i wanna run two display
[22:21] <pc-moon__> i have two error in update first is VESA: GM107 Board - 20120050 and second is VESA: GM107 Board - 20120050
[22:22] <pc-moon__> sorry first is E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? and second is E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[22:23] <genii> pc-moon__: use sudo in front
[22:23] <phelix> genii: http://pastie.org/10099022
[22:23] <pc-moon__> you mean like : sudo apt-get update
[22:24] <l4l13n> pc-moon__,  close everything then sudo synaptic
[22:24] <genii> phelix: Unfortunately my mind is mooshy right now, I've been looking at it but not registering anything. I think the problemmatic part might have been using /*  because /..  is recurse a directory
[22:24] <pc-moon__> ok
[22:24] <l4l13n> unless irc >>
[22:25] <genii> pc-moon__: Yes, sudo apt-get update
[22:25] <phelix> Yes, well any idea how to help me get these files back? I mean I put the binaries back on from my other ubuntu machine. But now I can't run them and chmod is one of the commands I don't have permission to run
[22:26] <genii> phelix: When you "boot" the server do you get a grub menu?
[22:26] <pc-moon__> ok im trying
[22:26] <phelix> I am not sure. Scared to try and reboot it. And again its at rackspace I can't watch the bootup screen
[22:27] <pc-moon__> oh good synaptic working now
[22:27] <phelix> I mean I could look at the log file
[22:27] <phelix> I have some very important websites running on it. And those are still working just fine. It seems like it really just nuked a bunch of important files in /bin
[22:27] <genii> pc-moon__: By the way, do not run that other command which l4l13n said. If you run synaptic with sudo and not gksu/gksudo it will mess up files in your home folder
[22:28] <pc-moon__> ah ok its good to know thats
[22:29] <genii> phelix: I ask because normally a grub menu comes and you choose which kernel, or memtest, or in this case what we would want is the recovery boot which lands you as root user
[22:29] <pc-moon__> do thats hard to make my ubuntu run to minters by my nvidia card
[22:29] <l4l13n> genii,  oh really?
[22:29] <genii> l4l13n: Yes
[22:29] <phelix> I don't think that i have access to do this.. =/
[22:29] <genii> !gksu
[22:29] <l4l13n> ok sry guys
[22:29] <phelix> there anyway to get a chmod file on this machine that will run?
[22:30] <genii> l4l13n: See the bot's link for a more detailed explanation
[22:31] <genii> phelix: It's the chicken-egg problem, unfortunately
[22:31] <phelix> yea ... ugh.
[22:31] <phelix> not sure what to do!
[22:32] <genii> phelix: The only way to escape the chicken-egg type situation is go outside of it by one level somehow. so in this case an external boot independent of the messed up files would be the normal method
[22:33] <l4l13n> genii, damn i use sudo for months. I'll use gksudo about now thx
[22:33] <genii> phelix: Is it letting you scp files to it right now?
[22:33] <phelix> yea I can do that
[22:33] <phelix> will that copy file permissions etc?
[22:34] <genii> phelix: So conceivably you could scp the other Ubuntu's files directly to the /bin ( assuming it lets you use sudo )
[22:34] <pankid> huzzaaah, was scared due to how many updates I had to do. yeats: I ended up just doing apt-get upgrade rather than dist-upgrade, so the kernel wont be updated until I run dist-upgrade and reboot
[22:34] <genii> phelix: Yep, will preserve whatever ownership and perms
[22:34] <phelix> k let me try that
[22:36] <phelix> wtf.. just ran it and it copied everything and I still get bash: /bin/ls: Permission denied
[22:36] <nogoodnamesleft> Is there some reason Ubuntu defaults to OpenJDK 7 and not 8? Even vivid does. I see 7 in the main repo and 8 in universe. 8 is much faster for the apps I am using.
[22:40] <dtscode> how would i install opengl on ubuntu
[22:40] <alex141284> test
[22:41] <genii> phelix: Oh, forgot... use -p switch. Like I said, brain is mooshy right now
[22:41] <genii> alex141284: Yes, we see what you type
[22:44] <Peiniger> I’m logged in to a server that is rejecting all new connections. In /var/log/auth.log I’m seeing the following message:  Connection closed by myipaddress [preauth]
[22:44] <Peiniger> I’ve restarted ssh and verified authorized_keys hasnt been changed.
[22:45] <genii> Peiniger: Probably a better question for #ubuntu-server
[22:45] <Peiniger> Thanks genii
[22:45] <genii> Peiniger: It's pretty quiet in there right now, but have patience :)
[22:45] <Peiniger> Thanks
[22:48] <lzkill> hi everyone... I have an issue regarding a usb pen drive... whenever I plug it on my network breaks... does anybody know where to start debugging?
[22:48] <genii> phelix: Any luck using scp with the -p switch to copy the files over?
[22:49] <nogoodnamesleft> lzkill, What breaks? Network drive connection breaks, or network connection breaks?
[22:49] <phelix> no it still changed file permissions. I just talked to a guy at rackspace. I guess I can boot into recovery mode. He said and then get to the machine and then mount my current hard drive and copy the core /bin files from the rescue mode to the my current servers mount and then reboot
[22:49] <phelix> if that makes sense.
[22:49] <phelix> he says that shouldn't mess with any permissions
[22:50] <genii> phelix: Yes, good
[22:51] <phpcoder> hello everybody
[22:51] <phpcoder> in my laptop i have a graphic card      NVIDIA® GeForce® 840M con DDR3 da 2 GB
[22:52] <phpcoder> the problem is that ubuntu found      Intel® HD Graphics 5500 (Broadwell GT2)
[22:52] <phpcoder> how can i resolve this?
[23:19] <mjollnerd1> what's the term for " and ' in linux?  Trying to google the difference between the two, but google is trying to actually use them instead of search for them
[23:21] <bekks> The first one is called "double quotes", the second one is called "single quote". Inside the first one, e.g. shell expansion is done, inside the latter one shell expansion does not work.
[23:21] <mjollnerd1> thank you
[23:21] <bekks> yw :)
[23:28] <phpcoder> ubuntu-drivers devices returns nothign :(
[23:29] <Loshki> pankid: get a spare disk (or better yet, a spare machine) and stage it. Then you can cut back at a moment's notice if necessary.
[23:37] <phelix> is it possible to take permissions from /bin and duplicate them on same file names on like /mnt/bin ?
[23:39] <Jordan_U> phelix: Yes. It probably requires some scripting though. What is your end goal?
[23:40] <phelix> i have 2 folders with duplicate files.. I messed up all the permissions in my /bin folder. So I rebooted int orecovery mode. So I mounted my hd that has the bad permissions in /mnt/bin and I am trying to take perms from recovery /bin and duplicate them to the files in /mnt/bin
[23:40] <phelix> would like chmod --reference /bin /mnt/bin/* work ?
[23:41] <phelix> hmm doesn't seem like it does
[23:42] <hiexpo> mv chown
[23:46] <Jordan_U> phelix: Are the files otherwise identical?
[23:56] <Ullarah> Quick question, is vivid still on track for release on the 23rd? :)
[23:57] <xangua> when it's ready Ullarah
[23:57] <Guest19103> hello
[23:57] <Guest19103> hi every body
[23:58] <lzkill> hi folks. I have an issue with my new sandisk extreme pen drive... every time I plug it on my network access goes down... does anybody know how to solve this?
[23:58] <Jordan_U> lzkill: Do other USB devices cause the same problem? Please pastebin the output of "dmesg" after plugging in the USB drive.


[07:25] <jibel> good morning
[08:11] <DanChapman> Good Morning all :-)
[08:12] <smartboyhw> Hey DanChapman
[08:22] <DanChapman> Wow! 21 fails on intel and none on ati. Jibel hey mate,  is record desktop setup on the ubuntu app tests?
[08:22] <DanChapman> smartboyhw, hey, how are you?
[08:22] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, good
[08:25] <jibel> DanChapman, Hey, no it is not but it wouldn't be useful in this case
[08:26] <jibel> DanChapman, from the logs I'd say that X died
[08:26] <jibel> gnome-session[10824]: Gdk-WARNING: gnome-session: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.
[08:28] <jibel> DanChapman, actually recordmydesktop is enabled on ubuntu app tests
[08:28] <jibel> but since X crashed ...
[08:33] <DanChapman> jibel, ahh i see now in the gnome-session.log. I didn't see that one. I was looking through the ap log and it all looked kind of ok. Thanks for looking for me :-)
[09:16] <slickymaster> good morning
[09:22] <knome> hallo slickymaster
[09:25] <slickymaster> knome, hi, hope everything is fine with you
[09:26] <knome> slickymaster, sure :)
[09:26] <knome> slickymaster, and you?
[09:26] <slickymaster> knome, all ok, also
[09:26] <knome> good to hear
[09:29] <slickymaster> knome, I noticed that when you update the xubuntu documents some of the translations I had already done were lost. Is this expected or maybe something went wrong?
[09:30] <knome> slickymaster, that's something that will happen because the strings you have translated have now changed
[09:32] <slickymaster> knome, I understand and that's logic. Should had stop to think about it before asking
[09:32] <knome> nah, no problem
[09:33] <knome> the only stupid questions are unasked ones
[15:41] <elopio> hey balloons: here's the fix for the tabs https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix1206251-tabs/+merge/178410
[15:42]  * balloons looks ;-)
[15:42] <elopio> balloons: I'm looking for a problem to fix this week. If you have one, shoot.
[15:42] <balloons> well Martin, the weather app dev, says the tab stuff doesn't work for him
[15:42] <balloons> I wonder if it will now?
[15:43] <smartboyhw> balloons, I've contacted jose and it seems like there will be no one doing the Ubuntu on Air for us:(
[15:43] <smartboyhw> jose himself will be busy in an event
[15:44] <balloons> smartboyhw, I spoke with jackson.. I won't be that fun or interesting when you begin.. it will be quite early for me :-) That said, jackson said he might be audio only anyway
[15:44] <balloons> so I left it as maybe not a good idea for ubuntu on air
[15:44] <smartboyhw> balloons, audio only?
[15:44] <smartboyhw> balloons, no then
[15:44] <balloons> yea, not enough bandwidth
[15:44] <smartboyhw> Uh, if Jackson is only doing audio, there's not even a single need for Hangouts
[15:44] <smartboyhw> It's useless then
[15:45] <balloons> he said there might be others.. but yea, my thoughts are the same as yourself.. no need for ubuntu on air, and you may not need the hangout at all
[15:45] <smartboyhw> balloons, agreed
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Anyways, how's QA these days for you>
[15:45] <smartboyhw> balloons?
[15:45] <smartboyhw> :P
[15:45] <balloons> elopio, ahh, you can grab the specific buttons and click through them? nice :-)
[15:48] <smartboyhw> balloons, answer:P
[15:48] <elopio> balloons: I've found that's a lot easier to introspect and discover those cool things when you ask the programmer :)
[15:48]  * balloons never saw, sorry
[15:48] <balloons> QA is intense my good sir
[15:49] <smartboyhw> balloons, LOL
[15:49] <balloons> there is tons going on.. I saw this every cycle it feels like, but it's been true every cycle. We get more and more invovled each cycle and there is more stuff to do and explore
[15:50] <balloons> elopio, :-) let's see if he's around :-)
[17:04] <SergioMeneses> ok... lunchtime! see you later guys
[17:05] <balloons> elopio, you still there?
[17:05] <elopio> balloons: I am.
[17:05] <balloons> elopio, so I just realized all the apps using the emulator will have a new dependency
[17:06] <elopio> balloons: ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot?
[17:06] <balloons> elopio, yes.. just a reminder.. I'm going to update the control files for those who have converted
[17:07] <elopio> balloons: yes, I forgot about that on filemanager. If you can fix it, it would be nic.e
[17:07] <balloons> elopio, :-) I forgot too
[19:20] <balloons> DanChapman, Letozaf_ evening to you.
[19:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, evening :)
[19:20] <DanChapman> balloons, evening :-) how are you?
[19:20] <balloons> trying to make things green, like we all are :-)
[19:21] <balloons> I noticed ubiquity is continuing to be red which is sad. But I've been working on the core apps tests we've written to try and get them to work properly on the device. Similar to what you had to do DanChapman with adding more asserts and ensuring timing was good
[19:22] <DanChapman> :-) my heart nearly stopped when i saw 21 fails today for the ap ubuntu apps
[19:22] <xnox> balloons: i'm in the office tomorrow & will be working on ubiquity for some time. will try to fix that, among other things.
[19:23] <DanChapman> xnox, that would be great, I was part through the dual-boot test before it broke
[19:23] <balloons> xnox, wonderful ;-)
[19:24] <DanChapman> balloons, yeah for quite long tests it does need to be backed with lots of asserts more than you originally think :-)
[19:28] <DanChapman> balloons, while your there I have a gedit branch waiting on your review. Could you take a look, i have added comments aswell on my thoughts/improvments on the test and would like your thoughts on it. Also what core app is most in need of tests at the minute? I will do some tonight
[19:28] <balloons> DanChapman, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Testing
[19:28] <balloons> DanChapman, sure I can review it, just a moment
[19:29] <balloons> there's a status on that page that shows what is needed and where
[19:32] <balloons> btw DanChapman feel free to ping me when you drop something needig review..my merge mailbox is completely flooded, lol. so atm, these are getitng buried ;-(
[19:33] <DanChapman> balloons, cool will do :-)
[19:34] <balloons> DanChapman, I see lots of nice fixes in here.. no more hacky saving and parsing the file on the command line
[19:37] <DanChapman> balloons, yeah its much easier to use more of the testtools.matchers methods than some of the crazy workarounds we were doing :-D
[19:37] <balloons> Letozaf_, will you have something for me to review also this evening? I know your as excited as me to get the rssreader test back in
[19:38] <Letozaf_> balloons, I am having problems on the rssreader app, the pages stuff we were talking about yesterday does not work for two on three pages I tried to work on
[19:38] <balloons> DanChapman, to be fair, I believe the gedit test was one of the first we wrote.. and the introspection didn't give us access to much of it.. eitheir way, some of me is in that test, so the blame rests here ;-)
[19:39] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh really.. that's no good.. is it failing to find the pages? do they show in autopilot vis?
[19:40] <Letozaf_> balloons, that's the weired thing it look ok in autopilot vis, I see the objectName and the title property, but I get an error saying that the title property does not exist for the object
[19:40] <Letozaf_> balloons, so maybe it just doesn't get the object correclty
[19:41] <Letozaf_> balloons, for instance the feedlistpage
[19:41] <Letozaf_> balloons, the onlyone that worked was the shorts page up to now
[19:41] <balloons> Letozaf_, can you just confirm the object exists?
[19:41] <balloons> assert notequals(none)
[19:42] <balloons> your going after a specific object, so perhaps just looking at the visible property works?
[19:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes, do you think that is enough ?
[19:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, i wanted to check the title
[19:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, but it it does not work, maybe I should just let go
[19:43] <DanChapman> balloons, the ap-gtk improvements have helped alot with introspecting it then. I dnt recall looking at the test in detail  myself when we was porting to ap1.3. But in vis now, alot of the objects are visible so we can definately improve it
[19:43] <Letozaf_> balloons, I will try the visible property now
[19:43] <balloons> Letozaf_, well, start small, heh. see if you can get it to work, then we can dig into why you can't get the title
[19:43] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[19:43] <balloons> Letozaf_, yea, visible should work
[19:43] <balloons> and I wouldn't see a need for title if so
[19:43] <balloons> DanChapman, yes they did. ok, so the test runs, but indeed, more work is needed
[19:44] <balloons> let me make some comments
[19:46] <balloons> so DanChapman my primary concern would be the sleeps.. the tests that can't fail are 'ok' for now
[19:46] <balloons> ohh.. heh, they literally have no asserts
[19:47] <DanChapman> balloons, i agree
[19:47] <balloons> what happened to test_insert_overwrite_mode
[19:47] <balloons> since you can get the textbuffer we can do even more here
[19:49] <DanChapman> balloons, i didnt see a test_insert_overwrite_mode
[19:49] <balloons> let me leave my comments on the review
[19:50] <DanChapman> balloons, that would be great then i can create a bug list :-)
[19:55] <balloons> DanChapman, I left a comment
[19:59] <balloons> k, final comment
[20:03] <njin> balloons, halloooooooo i've noted the lacks of the zsync link on the tracker for ubuntukylin, casn you provvide ?
[20:03] <Letozaf_> balloons, got it, the title, I was wrong, found were I was doing wrong, fiew, ok let carry on :D
[20:04] <Letozaf_> njin, hello :D
[20:05] <njin> ouch, my dear Letozaf_, howdy ?
[20:05] <Letozaf_> njin, fine and you, how are you :
[20:06] <njin> Ah, pretty bad, passing kidney stones (coliche renali)
[20:07] <njin> one is gone, left the others to piss out
[20:07] <Letozaf_> njin, oh! sorry to hear that, :(
[20:08] <njin> ah, thingd s that happens
[20:08] <Letozaf_> njin, well hope you will be fine soon
[20:08] <balloons> njin, ouch!
[20:08] <njin> oh yes, it will pass soon
[20:08] <njin> balloons, happy to see you
[20:08] <balloons> njin, indeed, feel better. So on the links, sure let me see
[20:09] <balloons> njin, same, glad to hear from you :-)
[20:09] <balloons> Letozaf_, yay!
[20:09] <Letozaf_> balloons, :p
[20:09] <Letozaf_> balloons, I think I owe you tons of milkshakes or whatever you like to drink :P
[20:10] <balloons> Letozaf_, it is I who am indebted to you :-) I enjoy a good smoothie.. It's generally fruit and yogurt.. I don't put ice in mine. Can also add funs things like peanute butter or oatmeal
[20:11] <Letozaf_> balloons, mmm peanut butter I love it, used to eat tons
[20:11] <Letozaf_> balloons, I also like smoothies
[20:11] <DanChapman> balloons, cool well i left a comment and i will work on it tomorrow.
[20:12] <DanChapman> anyway i gotta go and eat
[20:16] <balloons> Letozaf_, try peanut butter banana smoothie.. really good if you do it right :-)
[20:16] <balloons> DanChapman, enjoy
[20:16] <josepht> peanut butter++
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, mmm must be wonderful , I must bye bananas and peanut butter tomorrow so I can make myself one :)
[20:18] <balloons> Letozaf_, :-) josepht spinach also works great in smoothies.. many veggies do, so it works well
[20:19] <Letozaf_> balloons, I know what spinach is but josepht ... what is that ?
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, a type of spinach ?
[20:20] <balloons> Letozaf_, that's Joe. ROFL
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, oh lol
[20:20] <balloons> sorry, I put his name in the same reply
[20:20] <balloons> I see the issue now
[20:20] <balloons> too funny
[20:20] <josepht> Letozaf_: please don't put me in a smoothie :)
[20:20] <Letozaf_> josepht, no sure lol
[22:37] <balloons> elopio, I'm playing with the clock-app and it doesn't seem to like your new tabs.. it has duplicated abstractbuttons (8 for only 4 tabs), and the selects are returning multiple for selected (I've no idea why, it appears to work in vis)
[22:38] <balloons> aka return tabs.select_single('AbstractButton', selected=True) fails as it matches multiples.. I've no idea why :-(
[22:40] <balloons> it gets better, hah! return tabs.select_many('AbstractButton', selected=True)[1] IndexError: list index out of range
[22:41] <balloons> only tabs.select_many('AbstractButton', selected=True)[0] is valid.. ???
[23:09] <elopio> balloons: the number of abstractbuttons is the number of tabs * 2
[23:10] <balloons> elopio, :-( I got it working but it's hackery
[23:10] <elopio> because timp did a weird circle with them. So one set of buttons is out of view
[23:10] <balloons> let me push and you can read.. perhaps enlighten me
[23:10] <elopio> and when you reach the end, it switches the set of buttons.
[23:10] <elopio> balloons: sure.
[23:16] <elopio> balloons: I've just replied to your comments on the branch. But I'm not sure I fully understood your point.
[23:16] <elopio> let me know.
[23:16] <balloons> elopio, lp:~nskaggs/ubuntu-clock-app/fix-autopilot-tests
[23:17] <balloons> elopio, I thought maybe it was getting abstractbuttons from elsewhere in the tree and that's why I was having issues. The fun is in __init__.py. Have a look
[23:17] <balloons> hence I commented on your merge proposal that maybe you want to limit the scope of the search
[23:18] <elopio> balloons: branching...
[23:18] <elopio> the search is done on the TabBar, so it would be weird for it to have more buttons.
[23:18] <balloons> gotta check the device now and see if those fixes work there too
[23:19] <elopio> but, everything is possible. There's a whole bunch of hidden stuff.
[23:19] <balloons> also you have a select_single("NewTabBar"); the clock app is called select_single("TabBar")
[23:22] <balloons> ohh lookey there.. on the desktop it's tabbar, on the device, it's newtabbar.. WILD
[23:22] <elopio> balloons: that's because you are using a different set of libraries.
[23:22] <balloons> elopio, sure.. but we need to keep them in sync ;-)
[23:22] <elopio> timp renamed it from NewTabBar to TabBar recently, so probably you are using old ones on the phone.
[23:23] <elopio> balloons: I get a single object selected. See:
[23:23] <elopio> (Pdb) p tabs.select_single('AbstractButton', selected=True)
[23:23] <elopio> <autopilot.introspection.dbus.AbstractButton object at 0x23c7790>
[23:23] <balloons> elopio, sometimes it shows up as 2.. that's what I discovered
[23:23] <balloons> and it will fail
[23:23] <elopio> I'll run it more times.
[23:23] <balloons> I thought autopilot was lying to me
[23:24] <balloons> you have to switch tabs more than once
[23:24] <balloons> well.. maybe I'm just special too.. who knows
[23:24] <balloons> I have the printouts of all 8 button status's, showing 2 as being selected
[23:24] <balloons> ;)
[23:25] <elopio> balloons: well, more than one selected is surely a bug on the toolkit.
[23:30] <elopio> balloons: ok, get the error now.
[23:31] <elopio> I have no idea how to reproduce it on the toolkit though.
[23:32] <balloons> heh
[23:32] <balloons> I'm not crazy tho.. yay
[23:35] <elopio> balloons: well, actually that's the easiest explanation, so I might go to bed believing you are crazy, and find a better explanation tomorrow :)
[23:37] <elopio> well, the selected are with index 0 and 4. At least, that represents the same button.
[23:38] <elopio> and I think that if you put a sleep before the select, you will get the only one selected. So this might be because we are in the middle of the transition.
[23:38] <balloons> elopio, I believe that is the case
[23:38] <balloons> both the new and old are selected
[23:39] <balloons> err well no
[23:39] <balloons> it was the double button thing.. both buttons, the true button and the clone get set to selected
[23:39] <balloons> that was the deal
[23:39] <elopio> balloons: yes, weird.
[23:40] <elopio> balloons: I might be able to talk with timp when he starts in some hours.
[23:40] <elopio> balloons: right now I have to take a shower or my girlfriend is going to kill me, and then I won't be able to help anymore :)
[23:40] <elopio> please leave me a ping if you find something else.
[23:41] <balloons> go ahea
[23:41] <balloons> I'll ttyl
[23:41] <balloons> I'll only be here for another min
[23:41] <balloons> we'll talk tommorrow
[23:41] <elopio> balloons: quick and dirty workaround, retry until select_single doesn't fail.
[23:41] <balloons> that's less hacky I suppose than mine :-p
[23:42] <elopio> balloons: yes, looks more like the right solution that I have in mind, that's sleeping until the animation stops and everything is stable. There should be a property for that.
[23:43] <balloons> I think I need to reflash this device
[23:43] <balloons> I have to reboot between every test run or it fails


[07:09] <seb128> goood morning IRC
[07:24] <lissyx> bandali, and it's green this morning :p https://treeherder.mozilla.org/jobs?repo=mozilla-central&searchStr=snap-upstream&revision=11b3d438788a84aecc7e53efdda19bb0814e13be
[12:55] <bandali> lissyx, yay! =)
[14:32] <ricotz> bandali, hello :), fyi https://phabricator.services.mozilla.com/D190161
[17:37] <KGB-0> orca pristine-tar 4f92bc8 Samuel Thibault orca_45.1.orig.tar.xz.delta orca_45.1.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for orca_45.1.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/6BTc
[17:52] <Eickmeyer> jbicha: I have seen zero progress on bug 2033688, which is a UX failure for Edubuntu. Has Marco mentioned anything?
[17:52] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Bug 2033688 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu Mantic) "[mantic] gnome-shell fails to follow accent colours" [Medium, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2033688
[17:57] <jbicha> Eickmeyer: he was out of office yesterday & today. It's on his todo list but I don't know if he'll be able to fix the bug before release
[17:59] <Eickmeyer> jbicha: I guess that's fine.  I'm just surprised that UX bugs aren't given higher priority. I mean, for Edubuntu it definitely affects default theming, but for Ubuntu Desktop it affects a major UX feature.
[17:59] <Eickmeyer> To me, the attention to UX, or lack thereof, is why we're losing the desktop space.
[18:00] <jbicha> Marco understands the accent colours so much better than others do, but he is also good at a lot of things so has other responsibilities 😢
[18:01] <jbicha> no other GNOME distro even has accent colours yet
[18:02] <Eickmeyer> It's just frustrating from a UX standpoint. UX has been the achilles heel of the Linux desktop, and when it's not given priority, it's easy to see why.
[18:03] <Eickmeyer> I mean, I understand those other responsibilities, and I know there's no ill intentions, I'm just very disappointed.
[18:03] <Eickmeyer> Post-install, after the fix has been released, it'll be fine, but it won't show up on the live session.
[19:10] <bandali> ricotz, hey, thanks for the link. do we have a corresponding bug on LP already?
[20:54] <ricotz> bandali, I haven't filed a bug on LP
[20:56] <ricotz> I guess while thunderbird will require it at some point. an update for all supported series is still considered


[03:02] <bluej> Hey everyone, is anyone around who might be able to help with some problems I'm (a newbie) having with suspending my machine?
[03:19] <guest002345> I'd like to put lubuntu on an AMD64 bit computer , will the installation support a usb dongle to connect to the internet ? Thanks
[03:33] <JiminyTodd> hello all, I've been thinking of installing lubuntu to hard drive on amd64bit , will the installation allow me to connect to the internet through a usb mobile broadband dongle? , thanks!
[03:34] <tsimonq2> JiminyTodd: Hiya! It should, there's only one way to find out... :)
[03:35] <JiminyTodd> yes, give it a go .... !
[03:36] <JiminyTodd> is there a network manager which is compatible with that sort of connection ?
[03:42] <JiminyTodd> thanks
[19:34] <ChunkzZ> Is lxqt still being worked on?
[19:34] <teward> yes
[19:34] <ChunkzZ> Will it be ready for 17?
[19:37] <wxl> probably not
[19:37] <wxl> still a lot of work to do
[19:38] <wxl> also we don't even have a verion 1 yet, so there's that XD
[19:38] <xangua> .12 is the last one?
[19:38] <ChunkzZ> Version?
[19:38] <wxl> .11
[19:38] <wxl> https://downloads.lxqt.org/lxqt/
[19:39] <ChunkzZ> I thought it was nearly ready...
[19:39] <wxl> in other words it's the 11th point release of version 0
[19:39] <wxl> if you want to question WHY that is, i'd say join #lxde :)
[19:40] <ChunkzZ> It was supposed to be released with 16.10, now NOT ready for 17?
[19:40] <wxl> that was the hope
[19:40] <wxl> but ther's been plenty of roadblocks
[19:40] <xangua> Supposed? Who said that?
[19:40] <xangua> You can install lxqt desktop and try it out i that's what you want
[19:40] <teward> xangua: totally horrible rumors
[19:40] <teward> which i've tried desperately to squish with the Hell Hammers, but with no luck.
[19:41] <ChunkzZ> teward: no, your site.
[19:41] <teward> ChunkzZ: where the heck did you see that?
[19:41] <xangua> "your site"?
[19:41] <teward> there was never a statement it'd be *ready* for primary DE usage with 16.10
[19:41] <ChunkzZ> Lubuntu.me
[19:41] <teward> link or it's lies
[19:41] <ChunkzZ> ^
[19:41] <teward> because I know it was said it would be released in the *repositories*
[19:42] <teward> but not as the *primary DE*
[19:42] <wxl> there's certainly nothing on the main page, ChunkzZ
[19:42] <ChunkzZ> I remember seeing it say it wasn't released with 16.10 but will be released with 17
[19:42] <wxl> here's a search for you http://lubuntu.me/?s=lxqt&submit=Search
[19:42] <xangua> Implanted memories? ChunkzZ
[19:43] <ChunkzZ> And a member here said it was almost ready
[19:43] <wxl> there is http://lubuntu.me/yakkety-released/
[19:43] <xangua> What member?
[19:43] <wxl> which says: General bug fix release as we prepare to switch to LXQt.
[19:43] <ChunkzZ> Yeah
[19:43] <wxl> that doesn't seem consistent with what you're saying, ChunkzZ
[19:43] <wxl> there's no timeline there and no specifics
[19:44] <ChunkzZ> Yeah, you're right.
[19:44] <ChunkzZ> Sorry.
[19:44] <wxl> just be patient. it will come.
[19:44] <xangua> Or install it now!!
[19:44] <ChunkzZ> xangua: no
[19:45] <xangua> :-(
[19:45] <ChunkzZ> Lubuntu is my favourite distribution. I've tried a lot too.
[19:47] <ChunkzZ> Anyway, sorry for bothering y'all.
[19:48] <wxl> no bother, ChunkzZ
[19:48] <wxl> we're glad to have you
[19:48] <wxl> if you want to help out, we'd be glad to have you!!
[19:50] <wxl> (well, more glad)
[19:50] <wxl> XD
[20:02] <masden> Help please I want to run in Ubuntu on Android TV Box
[20:07] <xangua> But an Intel stick with Ubuntu, I read you can install Ubuntu on those fire sticks also
[20:07] <xangua> Buy*
[20:08] <masden> https://thepasteb.in/p/NxhVDvyQ6B0fN
[20:08] <masden> Amlogic S905X Quad Core Cortex A53 2.0GHz 64bit
[20:11] <masden> I do not have an Intel Android me as I set lubuntu it please tell me
[20:13] <masden> both run on Android lubuntu
[20:14] <masden> both run on Android lubuntu
[20:14] <masden> Amlogic S905X Quad Core Cortex A53 2.0GHz 64bit