[08:57] <ogra> InitMass, ah, ok
[08:57] <[paZx] > i have a problem with hoary. if i install grip and lame rhythmbox  tell me segmentation fault
[08:57] <tritium> ogra, I'll work with you on that if you like
[08:57] <graabein> delire, link?
[08:57] <sp3tt> In the machine, that is.
[08:57] <InitMass> ogra, ok i'll do it now. brb
[08:57] <djm62> sp3tt: room to put ubuntu on one disk?
[08:57] <sp3tt> No spare disk which is not used.
[08:57] <sp3tt> 250 GB...
[08:57] <WeirdAl> That says it's downgrading, which I guess is what I want.
[08:57] <delire> graabein: click on add-new-extensions or similar in firefox..
[08:57] <ogra> tritium, lets see, if YokoZar has some amd64 packages for me ;)
[08:58] <sp3tt> I say that's enough >_>
[08:58] <Jet2k5> Can someone help me reset my apache2, it's not working after the upgrade
[08:58] <sp3tt> apachectl -krestart?
[08:58] <ubuntu_jim> how is ALSA installed in ubuntu? with or without OSS support/emulation?
[08:58] <Lemonzest> ok i have a problem with powernowd
[08:58] <dcraven> Jet2k5, /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[08:59] <Lemonzest> i have my amd 64 cllocked at 2.4G with a 240FSB
[08:59] <graabein> https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/showlist.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&os=Windows&category=Newest
[08:59] <moquist> ubuntu_jim: with OSS
[08:59] <tritium> ogra, okay...
[08:59] <Lemonzest> in windows c@Q works fine switching between 1.2G and 2.4
[08:59] <thierry_> could someone give me some explanations about ubuntu ? I have just installed it, but it didn't ask me for root password :-( what is it ?
[08:59] <Jet2k5> dcraven, yes that
[08:59] <cavediver> Anyone got a buggy Firefox since yesterday in Breezy ?
[08:59] <graabein> can't find it on that page...
[08:59] <Jet2k5> dcraven, done that, but still nothing
[08:59] <dcraven> Fazer, you installed Hoary yet?
[08:59] <Lemonzest> yet in linux it maxes at 2G the default of my prossor
[08:59] <Fazer> dcraven: I am about to!
[08:59] <ogra> tritium, but feel free to do the i386 part ;)
[08:59] <sp3tt> thierry_: root is not enabled in ubuntu.
[08:59] <dcraven> Fazer, heh
[08:59] <Lemonzest> but nothing has changed in bios
[08:59] <moquist> thierry_: ubuntu uses "sudo" instead
[09:00] <Fazer> dcraven: yeah, I am going to the other room where the desktop is and talk to you guys from there while I install Ubuntu on my laptop.
[09:00] <graabein> Fazer, i finally got my nvidia card working! installed nvidia binary 6629 drivers!
[09:00] <tritium> ogra, I'll take a look at it when I return from travel  :)
[09:00] <mitza> i cant make my xmms work :<
[09:00] <fishhead> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,153569,00.html <--- proof GOD has a sense of humor or my meds are working better than I thought
[09:00] <thierry_> ok, thanks
[09:00] <delire> graabein: firefox will install all extensions for you automagically if you click on the Tools--> Extensions-->Get More Extensions
[09:00] <ogra> tritium, you travel ? where ?
[09:00] <Fazer> graabein: Uhm..nice? heh
[09:00] <mitza> or beep media player
[09:00] <dcraven> Jet2k5, nothing as in apache2 is not running? Was there any output to that command?
[09:00] <graabein> Fazer, very!
[09:00] <Zotnix> ogra: You said Breezy won't be usable for a few weeks. Is there danger in using it meanwhile.. I mean will I be forced to downgrade than upgrade?
[09:00] <tritium> ogra, I'm on Tucson right now.  Will be in Phoenix tonight.
[09:00] <ubuntu_jim> moquist: thnks. any ideas why skype isn;t producing sound?
[09:00] <mjc> beagle's cool.
[09:00] <graabein> delire, i did click that link but nothing happened
[09:00] <delire> graabein: BTW with 'glxgears' in the term what frame rate do you get?
[09:00] <Fazer> Alright, brb folks.
[09:00] <sp3tt> ubuntu_jim: Turn your speakers on? ;)
[09:01] <moquist> ubuntu_jim: haven't gotten skype to work yet, myself.  (in Ubuntu)
[09:01] <djm62> mjc: it's great....especially with gaim
[09:01] <ogra> tritium, ah, ok, i thought you'd be coming to UdU spontaneously :)
[09:01] <delire> graabein: perhaps you have to 'allow sites to install software' in preferences. don't forget to disable that later though ;)
[09:01] <ogra> Zotnix, depends....
[09:01] <stazz> How can I set my default soundcard?
[09:01] <Jet2k5> dcraven, no it's running, but it's not picking up my default webpages
[09:01] <ubuntu_jim> sp3tt, funny...
[09:01] <tritium> ogra, unfortunately, no...
[09:01] <delire> mjc: are you using beagle?
[09:01] <ogra> Zotnix, nobody can predict what will happen
[09:01] <Jet2k5> dcraven, when I tried to foward an ip to my computer it doesn't work
[09:01] <mjc> ubuntu_jim, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary/view?searchterm=esd
[09:01] <graabein> delire, found it. search for "flash"
[09:01] <sp3tt> ubuntu_jim: It is actually the msot common answer ;)
[09:01] <moquist> graabein, delire: you can enable just a particular site to install software
[09:01] <MidnightDevil> heya :D
[09:01] <ubuntu_jim> sp3tt, funny...
[09:01] <abarbaccia> hey all - preference question - im usually a kde guy but can't resist the ubuntu craze, and havn't gotten the time to try out kubuntu -- does mediaplayer compare to amarok?
[09:01] <Zotnix> ogra: Ah.. well I seperated / from /home so in the worst case scenario I just have to reinstall Ubuntu on /
[09:02] <dcraven> Jet2k5, gimme a URL.
[09:02] <mjc> delire, soon, after I finish upgrading to breezy
[09:02] <delire> stazz: i use 'alsaconf' for that.. but i think Ubuntu has another method.
[09:02] <ztonzy> delire, evening :)
[09:02] <stazz> delire: yeah, I kinda noticed :P
[09:02] <MidnightDevil> whats the easiest way to install apache, php n stuff on ubuntu? using apt-get?
[09:02] <ubuntu_jim> sp3tt, I know, it's the answer I give too, but I;m too busy atm for 'fun and games'... sorry ;)
[09:02] <tritium> graabein, you're not using the 7174 version nvidia drivers?
[09:02] <delire> stazz: i use debian.. probably shouldn't be here ;)
[09:02] <graabein> hmmm... that was an outdated extension
[09:02] <delire> ztonzy: hi there ;)
[09:02] <ogra> Zotnix, imagine mount has a weird bug that wipes your partition on the first mount ;)
[09:02] <graabein> tritium, no, i'm using 6629
[09:02] <tritium> graabein, how come?
[09:02] <moquist> MidnightDevil: if you're a CLI junkie, sure.  otherwise Synaptic.
[09:02] <ztonzy> delire, so you are here helping out ? :)
[09:02] <graabein> read somewhere (nvidia forum?) that other 6600 gt users had problems
[09:02] <thierry_> could you tell me how to turn X11 off ? (to install nvidia drivers)
[09:02] <Jet2k5> dcraven, sharpie.no-ip.org
[09:03] <MidnightDevil> ok :)
[09:03] <ogra> Zotnix, its really not something for systems with useful data on them
[09:03] <delire> ztonzy: not really, just dropped in to see how the most popular Desktop Distro of linux is going ;)
[09:03] <djm62> thierry_: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:03] <Zotnix> ogra: I have nothing useful.
[09:03] <ogra> Zotnix, at least not the first weeks
[09:03] <graabein> tritium, i couldnt get glxinfo running at all... segmentation fault
[09:03] <Zotnix> :p
[09:03] <thierry_> ok, thanks
[09:03] <ztonzy> delire, hehe :)
[09:03] <delire> graabein: what about glxgears?
[09:03] <graabein> tritium, i tried reinstalling and removing, using ubuntu nvidia etc
[09:03] <graabein> nope
[09:03] <djm62> thierry_: /etc/init.d/gdm start to restart once you're done
[09:03] <WeirdAl> tritium, it's working. Thanks much!
[09:03] <graabein> but now i got it working
[09:03] <mjc> ;)
[09:03] <tritium> WeirdAl, super :)
[09:03] <delire> graabein: are you sure that you have hardware accelleration then?
[09:03] <ztonzy> delire, btw,,,how does the game development go for you ?
[09:03] <WeirdAl> bye for now!
[09:04] <graabein> hmmm... well...
[09:04] <dcraven> Jet2k5, sfasdfasdf?
[09:04] <delire> ztonzy: good, today working alot with http://ogre3d.org
[09:04] <graabein> where do i look?
[09:04] <djm62> mjc: linux has gotten too easy...I've forgotten all the problem-solving stuff I used to have to use
[09:04] <delire> graabein: well 'glxinfo | grep Direct
[09:04] <ztonzy> delire, aah..mostly coding ? some 3D work ?
[09:04] <dcraven> brb
[09:04] <stazz> delire: you should try ubuntu. it's more like windows than debian ;P
[09:04] <tritium> graabein, that's bizarre.  I remember from yesterday that you installed the nvidia biniaries instead of ubuntu packages.  Were you unable to uninstall them?
[09:04] <delire> graabein: would tell you whether you had hardware accellerated graphics
[09:04] <def81> hi.. i got a bsasic question.. "The Ubuntu team releases a fresh Ubuntu every six months" ... so do i have to reinstall every 6 months, or is there some kind of "dist-upgrade"?
[09:04] <graabein> yep
[09:04] <eruin> gah! I wish error messages weren't translated! how on earth am I supposed to know what "Minnesegmentsfeil" means?
[09:04] <tritium> def81, you can always upgrade
[09:05] <djm62> def81: it's debian-based, you can upgrade anytime
[09:05] <graabein> had some pesky symlinks though
[09:05] <delire> stazz: i've been using debian for many many years. i am a big fan of Ubuntu, nothing more.
[09:05] <def81> ok thanks!
[09:05] <ogra> eruin, thats a segfault i uess
[09:05] <ogra> guess even
[09:05] <graabein> glxinfo grep direct didnt give me anything!
[09:05] <stazz> delire: yeah, I've been recommending ubuntu for beginners for so long that I had to try it myself, too.
[09:05] <djm62> ubuntu isn't just for beginners!
[09:05] <delire> ztonzy: today coding work, but only so that i can get models and events setup in the game engine
[09:05] <tritium> ogra, I can't go to UDU, but I do get to see U2 tonight :)
[09:06] <ztonzy> delire, nice...can I ask what it is for ?
[09:06] <ogra> tritium, ok, thats an alternative :)
[09:06] <eruin> ogra: ooh, that's not good ;-)
[09:06] <delire> graabein: you can run glxinfo? if so 'glxinfo | grep Direct'
[09:06] <tritium> :)
[09:06] <sp3tt> Good night to you all, be back tomorrow for install. I hope you can guide a complete newb and idiot :)
[09:06] <\sh> tritium: U2? bono ?
[09:06] <ogra> tritium, and a lot cheaper i guess
[09:06] <delire> ztonzy: for a MMORPG project here at the itu.dk
[09:06] <tritium> \sh, yep
[09:06] <graabein> delire, no result.
[09:06] <delire> sp3tt: see you then ;)
[09:06] <sp3tt> The community is one of the reasons ubuntu owns, isn't it.
[09:06] <delire> graabein: what about 'glxinfo'
[09:06] <ztonzy> delire, great!
[09:06] <tritium> sp3tt, :)
[09:06] <sp3tt> I mean, from what I've heard, #debian kills newbs.
[09:07] <graabein> delire, gives me plenty
[09:07] <graabein> hey, i found it, direct rendering: Yes
[09:07] <delire> sp3tt: sadly it does. ubuntu is sensible and community conscious..
[09:07] <graabein> case sensitive
[09:07] <delire> graabein: ok scroll up to the top and look for Direct Rendering
[09:07] <djm62> delire: the power of self-fulfilling prophecies, eh?
[09:07] <delire> graabein: ahah lower case? mine is upper case here ;)
[09:07] <graabein> hehe
[09:08] <b00gie> hello
[09:08] <graabein> 6650 fps with glxgears... is that good?
[09:08] <mjr> yes
[09:08] <djm62> damn good
[09:08] <dcraven> Okay guys you should be able to redirect people with low resolution problems here now --> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:08] <eruin> graabein: depends what size you run the window in
[09:08] <ogra> graabein, glxgears is no benchmark tool
[09:08] <eruin> and if it's hidden behind something or not ;)
[09:08] <graabein> ok
[09:08] <delire> djm62: precisely, though Debian shouldn't have a user support channel at all really. it's ridiculous at that job. i've spend hours in there helping kids only to see 'mwlison' or others raise the hammer and scare them away back to windows or OSX
[09:08] <dcraven> b00gie, hello.
[09:08] <graabein> i run it in default sized window
[09:08] <djm62> :-D
[09:09] <delire> graabein: that's amazing..
[09:09] <graabein> ogra, do you know of a benchmark tool?
[09:09] <delire> graabein: amazing fps for that card.
[09:09] <graabein> delire, it cant be... i've got a pretty regular gainward geforce 6600 gt
[09:09] <delire> graabein: umm quake3 ;) seriously though quake3 is used in benchmarking.
[09:09] <b00gie> ppl... any idea how to remove a package with the dependencies that it has installed?
[09:09] <eruin> quake3 isnt good for benchmarking anymore
[09:10] <sp3tt> Quake3 is used for having a lot of fun too.,
[09:10] <farruinn> I primarily use macs, but I'm installing ubuntu on a friend's pc, would there be any problmes with using a windows format partition for /home?
[09:10] <eruin> you'll see flat out max rates
[09:10] <ogra> graabein, xengine for exapmple
[09:10] <delire> graabein: it is good. a gt normally gives around 5900 ISTR
[09:10] <graabein> okay... i don't like quake that much... all the monsters/scifi
[09:10] <eruin> heh, my gffx5600 gives me ~2500
[09:10] <delire> tom's hardware use quake3 or doom3 for all round level performance tests. doom3 however will be the test for load on the GPU when using shaders
[09:10] <[paZx] > anyone have a problem with ryhthmbox after installed grip and lame?
[09:10] <\sh> dcraven: nice work :)
[09:10] <sp3tt> How many fps does an ATi X-600 usually give?
[09:11] <eruin> tom's hardware ain't worth the webspace it's on
[09:11] <eruin> :o
[09:11] <dcraven> \sh, thanks.
[09:11] <goldfish> oxigen: Any joy with root-tail?
[09:12] <delire> eruin: i agree generally speaking, though i've enjoyed a few of their editorials
[09:12] <dcraven> \sh, between that one and the ndiswrapper one I did yesterday, that should cover probably ~25% of the questions in here ;P
[09:12] <\sh> dcraven: yeah...I had I think 10 times the same answers to the questions on #ubuntu-de ;)
[09:12] <dcraven> \sh, heh
[09:13] <delire> dcraven: hehe, but did it help poor Fazer..
[09:13] <ogra> dcraven, nice work, but you dont need to edit xorg.conf for changing monitor values, just run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg as the second attempt, it asks for the frequencys then
[09:13] <Jet2k5_> dcraven, sorry, that's just a mask
[09:13] <dcraven> delire, I dunno. I think it would though. I don't think he's gonna get the stock module to work with his chipset, so he's gonna have to compile his own I'll bet.
[09:14] <delire> dcraven: hmm.. i thought so too
[09:14] <dcraven> ogra, blah... You and your fancy switches...
[09:14] <DocUb> Who has aMule and can DCC me a copy of their aMulesig.dat file?
[09:14] <SuperCatFrog> hi - i haven't got kdebindings installed, and they're not available through apt - any idea's anybody?
[09:14] <thanatosys> good afternoon everyone
[09:15] <delire> thanatosys: evening
[09:15] <sp3tt> That's [insert time of day] , you insensitive clod!
[09:15] <ogra> dcraven, and you should put a hint on that page that none of the autmatic configurattion tools works with xorg.conf unless you follow the md5sum howto in the head of the xorg.conf file...
[09:15] <delire> dcraven: i like 'plow' it's easy to remember
[09:15] <poningru> can somebody check something quick please
[09:15] <dcraven> SuperCatFrog, although there are KDE people in here, you may have better luck in #kubuntu.
[09:15] <poningru> is irc.mozilla.org still up?
[09:15] <poningru> please dont tell me that it is down
[09:16] <graabein> where do you guys download mp3? i just got "internet" (at home) this week!
[09:16] <DocUb> aMule
[09:16] <zenrox> gtk-gnutella
[09:16] <sp3tt> I use Direct Connect++
[09:16] <graabein> and is that p2p?
[09:16] <DocUb> yep
[09:16] <poningru> seriously can someone check irc.mozilla.org up and running?
[09:16] <DocUb> poningru: it's down at the moment
[09:16] <graabein> amule, gnutella and dc++ is about the same but different clients? or different nets?
[09:17] <poningru> damn
[09:17] <poningru> ok thnx
[09:17] <DocUb> :)
[09:17] <delire> xMule and aMule have slightly different flavours
[09:17] <dcraven> ogra, I'll do that. Thanks.
[09:17] <goldfish> poningru: it's up
[09:17] <cens0red> arg. I killed gmplayer, and the desktop quit!
[09:17] <sp3tt> What's the apt name for dc++?
[09:17] <DocUb> Yea, and aMule from synaptic didn't give me the aMulesig.dat when it unpacked it
[09:17] <ogra> dcraven, cool, thanks, its a nice howto :)
[09:17] <AlP> does anyone use acroread -- and does it work?
[09:17] <Jet2k5> dcraven, anyideas?  I've been lookin all over the place and everythin i've tried hasn't worked
[09:17] <DocUb> anyone have that file btw
[09:17] <goldfish> AlP: yes and yes :)
[09:17] <AlP> I installed it and it does not work ... :(
[09:18] <goldfish> oh :/
[09:18] <AlP> goldfish, okay, how did you install it
[09:18] <delire> cens0red: jesus. see if you can replicate it? if so it may be worth catching the output into a textfile so i can look at it.
[09:18] <goldfish> AlP: apt-get
[09:18] <dcraven> Jet2k5, did the upgrade change your config files? Are you sure you were running apache2 before and not apache?
[09:18] <graabein> how about downloading mp3 with torrents?
[09:18] <InitMass> ogra, it still doesn't work with OOo
[09:18] <AngelGabriel> what apt-get sources can I use for the powerPC?
[09:19] <goldfish> graabein: yep, you can.
[09:19] <graabein> another thing, anyone heard of sharingthegroove? did it go down?
[09:19] <farruinn> AngelGabriel: the ubuntu ones
[09:19] <goldfish> graabein: I don't know anywhere to get single songs, but full albums come in torrents usually.
[09:19] <delire> graabein: i use http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ for torrents, though others prefer the simpler qtorrent
[09:19] <ups> are there any shortcut keys for logout and lock screen in gnome?
[09:19] <ups> keyboard shortcuts i mean
[09:19] <graabein> goebelmeier, im a album-guy!
[09:19] <farruinn> AngelGabriel: mixing repos is not always a good thing
[09:19] <graabein> all the way (i meant goldfish)
[09:19] <\sh> hmm...btdownloadcurses and btlaunchmany are enough ;)
[09:19] <goldfish> ups: I think you can set shortcut keys.
[09:19] <mjr> ups, not by default, but you can set them
[09:19] <AngelGabriel> farruinn, Does that mean that I'm stuck with just what's avalible there?
[09:20] <goldfish> graabein: :)
[09:20] <Jet2k5> ctrl + alt + backspace logs you ouit
[09:20] <mjr> Jet2k5, well, yes, but rather forcibly
[09:20] <Jet2k5> to lock screen just do System > lock screen
[09:20] <AngelGabriel> Because I want to install Xine, XCDRoast, NmapFE and a few other things
[09:20] <delire> \sh they're ok, though not when i'm managing six or seven at a time.
[09:20] <ups> thx, i know i can set them, just wanted to be sure if there are by default :)
[09:20] <farruinn> AngelGabriel: then you should enable universe and multiverse (both official ubuntu repos)
[09:20] <graabein> now that ive got 3d graphics working, im going to look for movies and music
[09:21] <Jet2k5> umm, so nobody knows anything about this apache issue?
[09:21] <AlP> goldfish,  sudo apt-get install acroread should do it ...
[09:21] <tritium> AngelGabriel, you might prefer either gnomebaker or graveman to xcdroast
[09:21] <goldfish> AlP: should do
[09:21] <ogra> InitMass, then file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com please
[09:21] <elektrolyytti> hmm.. when i dont have my bluetooth connected and i try bluetooth manager i got error but when i have it connected and i start searching and it search until 50% and then just keep searching but wont work... what can i do?
[09:21] <AngelGabriel> By the way, will the binaries that are for ubuntu on the x86 achitecture, run on the power PC?
[09:21] <InitMass> ogra, oh i have to register to do that?
[09:21] <delire> graabein: play around with graphics intensive desktops with gnome too if you're insane: http://www.lynucs.org/?gdesklets
[09:22] <ogra> InitMass, yep
[09:22] <AlP> goldfish, /usr/bin/acroread: line 12: /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread: File or Directory not found.
[09:22] <AngelGabriel> tritium, gnomebaker..... and grave man - They are on my list as well!
[09:22] <tritium> AngelGabriel, :)
[09:22] <InitMass> ogra, i might do it some other time
[09:22] <farruinn> AngelGabriel: you can easily enable them with synaptic, and (technically) no, the binaries for x86 don't work on ppc
[09:22] <InitMass> ogra, not now anyway
[09:22] <goldfish> AlP: emmmmm, did that come from you apt-get command?
[09:22] <ogra> InitMass, thats the only way it will  get solved ;)
[09:22] <Jet2k5> anybody else get this ? E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[09:22] <AlP> no .. from calling acroread
[09:22] <ogra> InitMass, do as you like :)
[09:23] <AngelGabriel> farruinn, So... then how can I use the same repositories??
[09:23] <[Stefano] > yes
[09:23] <graabein> delire, wow, talk about eye candy! i have to go get my glasses!
[09:23] <goldfish> AlP: i see, did you apt-get it or what?
[09:23] <farruinn> AngelGabriel: universe and multiverse are additional ubuntu repositories
[09:23] <[Stefano] > yuppie yeah!
[09:23] <tritium> Jet2k5, do you not have ftp.nerim.net repo in yoru sources.list?
[09:24] <farruinn> AngelGabriel: a quick search on www.ubuntulinux.org should yield quite a few results
[09:24] <[Stefano] > When insert the Urbntu cd in Windows XD did not Autorun?
[09:24] <[Stefano] > How i can install it?
[09:24] <delire> graabein: gdesklets require a bit of system resources but their very gnome freindly.
[09:24] <farruinn> [Stefano] : you need to reboot and hit F12 so you can select the cd as the boot disk
[09:25] <farruinn> (at least it's most likely F12 I think)
[09:25] <spawn> hello, what version of GNOME does Ubuntu 5.04 come with?
[09:25] <graabein> i used linux some 4-5 years ago for a bit and didnt like kde (suse)
[09:25] <graabein> gnome looks fine though, i like it
[09:25] <delire> and fair enough
[09:25] <AngelGabriel> farruinn, how do I know if it's for the PowerPC, or for x86?? I have an eerie feeling about this one
[09:25] <[Stefano] > 2.10 spawn
[09:25] <zenrox> [Stefano] ,  reboot your pc with the cd in  the cdrom and the bios needs to be set up to boot off the cd
[09:25] <] Brelic[> does anyone here use a Lexmark Z605?
[09:25] <spawn> [Stefano] : thank you
[09:25] <] Brelic[> i can't seem to install in in ubuntu
[09:25] <farruinn> AngelGabriel: that's the beauty of apt, it will download only the packages specific to your architecture =)
[09:25] <spawn> im thinking of switching from Slackware
[09:25] <Jet2k5> tritium, someone said those are bad
[09:25] <delire> AngelGabriel: you're package manager knows which architecture it's grabbing..
[09:25] <Jet2k5> they break your system
[09:25] <farruinn> AngelGabriel: and the universe and multiverse repos are for all the standard ubuntu architectures
[09:25] <ogra> spawn, the newest ubuntu alwys has the newest gnome ;)
[09:26] <spawn> :D
[09:26] <] Brelic[> i did find a page helping me, but once i convert the rpms to debs and install them, the drivers don't show up when trying to add a printer
[09:26] <] Brelic[> any ideas?
[09:26] <spawn> yeah, one reason why im switching soon
[09:26] <dcahrakos> I tried botting into the ubuntu cd, and when it gets to the place where it says press ENTER to boot up, then it does a couple things, and then just restarts the pc...anyone know why?
[09:26] <tritium> Jet2k5, that's where w32codecs are located
[09:26] <spawn> update is every 6 months?
[09:26] <dcahrakos> ps, thats when im trying to install
[09:26] <ogra> spawn, yep
[09:26] <Jet2k5> k
[09:26] <spawn> nice
[09:26] <delire> ] Brelic[: printing can be a pain. what's the printer?
[09:26] <ogra> spawn, a week after gnome regulary
[09:26] <farruinn> spawn: stable update yes, ubuntu is continually in development of course
[09:27] <Jet2k5> well I'm going to work, hopefully we can get his apache stuff when I come back
[09:27] <Jet2k5> later all
[09:27] <spawn> cool
[09:27] <] Brelic[> delire, Lexmark Z605]
[09:27] <delire> ] Brelic[: and this is on Ubuntu Hoary?
[09:27] <] Brelic[> delire, which i knwo is not in the list.. in suse, i install the rpms from Lexmark and then they show up in the printer list
[09:27] <] Brelic[> delire, yes Hoary
[09:28] <] Brelic[> delire, here are the instructions i followed for Hoary http://finebushpeople.net/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=65&Itemid=120
[09:28] <delire> hmm i'd say you don't have the right print services. take a look at 'printconf'
[09:28] <delire> ] Brelic[ this can make things a little easier
[09:28] <spawn> how do I upgrade to latest versions?
[09:28] <AlP> goldfish, https://site-edit.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AcrobatHowTo/ did solve my problems
[09:29] <KING^^^> hello all , i have a question , can I write on a NTFS partition ?
[09:29] <goldfish> AlP: hehe, cool :)
[09:29] <EvilIdler> KING^^^: Without going mad, no
[09:29] <AngelGabriel> farruinn, delire thanks for putting my mind at rest!!! i didn't even know that it did that!
[09:29] <] Brelic[> delire, when i get to the last step. after installing the newly converted debs, i try to install the printer but the drivers don't show up anywhere, and i did a search on the computer but can't seem to find anything
[09:29] <ryman|> hey guys I created a free space on my HD to install Ubuntu , can someone help me with setup the / and /home in ubuntu installation ?
[09:29] <KING^^^> EvilIdler: not at all ?
[09:29] <Fazer> dcraven: I am now beginning the installation
[09:29] <farruinn> AngelGabriel: apt/dpkg is a beautiful thing =)
[09:30] <Fazer> so
[09:30] <Fazer> my first time installing linux
[09:30] <Fazer> on my laptop with Ubuntu!
[09:30] <Fazer> i hope it gets the DHCP right this time.
[09:30] <neighborlee> why does ubuntu check for RAID at startup and how is that disabled ? ( /etc/rc.d) ??? .[ no I dont have any RAID drives]
[09:30] <delire> ] Brelic[ install printconf and run that..
[09:31] <] Brelic[> delire, ok, i'll try that
[09:31] <ztonzy> AngelGabriel, great :) ...I am thinking of upgrading my 10/1 to 24/1 :)
[09:31] <dcraven> ogra, I revised it by adding the md5sum command prior to the dpg-reconfigure command in each case just for safety's sake. It'll be too confusing for some folks if I explained the reason for it. I also prepended your solution to the refresh rates solution.
[09:31] <Fazer> this is awesome!
[09:31] <ztonzy> and too bad they dont have VDSL
[09:31] <Fazer> it detected my network card!
[09:31] <Fazer> hhahahaha
[09:31] <Fazer> awesome
[09:31] <ztonzy> anymore...
[09:31] <Fazer> i just hope...i can get my wifi aftwards
[09:31] <dcraven> Fazer, soon you will be cool too!
[09:31] <delire> Fazer: ;)
[09:32] <solarwinds> some one know how to disable service (something like chkconfig in redhat)
[09:32] <ogra> dcraven, wow, cool
[09:32] <Fazer> w00t
[09:32] <dcraven> ogra, thanks for the tips.
[09:32] <spawn> how do I upgrade to latest versions of Ubuntu?
[09:32] <Fazer> so, can I install over my NTFS partition?
[09:32] <Fazer> this is confusing.
[09:32] <Fazer> spawn: i think its apt-get dist upgrade , not sure though
[09:32] <delire> spawn there's a full howto on the Ubuntu wiki
[09:33] <spawn> thanks guys
[09:33] <GnuKemist> Fazer hey... am still trying to get my wireless (ipw2200) to work
[09:33] <spawn> :D
[09:33] <delire> Fazer: yep you sure can
[09:33] <Fazer> delire: oh oiay
[09:33] <solarwinds> some one know how to disable service (something like chkconfig in redhat) ???
[09:33] <delire> Fazer: but you'll lose all that's on it
[09:33] <goldfish> GnuKemist: On a dell ?
[09:33] <GnuKemist> goldfish IBM X40...
[09:33] <spawn> oh one more thing, how long does it usually take to upgrade?
[09:33] <Fazer> delire: Yeah =(
[09:33] <farruinn> Fazer: if you are replacing the ntfs partition (and have your data backed up), just delete that partition and then select the empty space and do the automatically parition thing, that's what I'd do
[09:34] <delire> solarwinds: do you mean startup services?
[09:34] <GnuKemist> goldfish any clue?
[09:34] <goldfish> spawn: what connection u on?
[09:34] <goldfish> GnuKemist: hmm.. nope, are u using ndiswrapper?
[09:34] <delire> Fazer: burn with fire my son, scorch that Windows Infested Soil
[09:34] <spawn> aDSL
[09:34] <solarwinds> yes
[09:34] <Fazer> delire: haha
[09:34] <spawn> goldfish: aDSL 3.5 MB/s
[09:34] <GnuKemist> goldfish nope... supposed to be compatible
[09:34] <Fazer> farruinn: Yeah, thanks =)
[09:34] <goldfish> spawn: hmmmm, i am on 2mb and it took a couple of ours
[09:34] <] Brelic[> delire, ok, i ran printconf as root.. it just restarted cupsd
[09:34] <goldfish> *hours
[09:35] <graabein> later guys. im sort of the host of a party here. hehe, cheers!
[09:35] <Fazer> Should I select an entire device to partition?
[09:35] <delire> solarwinds: all the services on your machine started at boot can be found in /etc/init.d/
[09:35] <spawn> goldfish: ok, thanks
[09:35] <goldfish> GnuKemist: oh right.... hmm... have u tried searching ubuntuforums.org ?
[09:35] <delire> graabein: hasta luego
[09:35] <solarwinds> I know something like update-rc.d, it is good ??
[09:35] <delire> solarwinds: yep, that's a good one to know
[09:35] <GnuKemist> does anybody know what version of ipw2200 driver Hoary has?  I'm not at my laptop now
[09:36] <delire> GnuKemist: nope, compiled my own..
[09:36] <solarwinds> delire, but I did not get it work.
[09:36] <GnuKemist> goldfish yup... but it seems to me most people had to download the drivers...
[09:36] <GnuKemist> delire so you did compile it "by hand"
[09:36] <Fazer> wait wait wait
[09:36] <GnuKemist> I wonder if it is "safe" to have a hybrid system like that
[09:37] <goldfish> GnuKemist: oh right, i assume you have?
[09:37] <GnuKemist> goldfish the driver is included in Hoary
[09:37] <goldfish> ah right
[09:37] <Fazer> delire: How come i have partition #1 that is my primary with 5.7 GB as ext and then i have partition #5 as swap
[09:37] <goldfish> hmmm
[09:37] <GnuKemist> goldfish so I didn't
[09:37] <Fazer> why does it just jump from 1 to 5?
[09:37] <K-Rich> hey all i'm having an issue here, i can only burn cds as root, using Warty
[09:37] <solarwinds> Hi all, I compile new kernel 2.6.11 fot VMware, but now I lost my wireless card drivers and I cant get it back, please help.
[09:37] <] Brelic[> delire, well, it works now.  i think what happened is that by restarting cups, it reread the drivers list or something
[09:38] <] Brelic[> delire, thanks
[09:38] <delire> Fazer: i don't know why this is.. you'll see that they'll probably move to correct places later..
[09:38] <Fazer> delire: Oh...hrmm.
[09:38] <ogra> GnuKemist, nope, its not safe....the selfcompiled stuff gets overwritten...
[09:38] <delire> ] Brelic[: yep, no problem printconf is a good little script that starts everything in the right order ;)
[09:39] <GnuKemist> Fazer don't now why it jumps but I have the same set up here
[09:39] <GnuKemist> ogra that's what I thought...  I got the source code but didn't compile yet
[09:39] <delire> Fazer: i have #1/, #5swap as you do and i've never had windows on this laptop
[09:39] <ogra> GnuKemist, you'll have to compile it again on every security update
[09:39] <Quest-Master> de
[09:39] <GnuKemist> delire Fazer  same here
[09:40] <delire> it is odd.
[09:40] <ogra> GnuKemist, did you have problems with the driver ?
[09:40] <GnuKemist> ogra gotcha... definitely don't feel like doing that ;)
[09:40] <GnuKemist> ogra it seems to be ok except I cannot get an IP
[09:40] <ogra> hmm
[09:40] <delire> GnuKemist: which network card?
[09:41] <GnuKemist> ogra and I tried both WEP and WEP-less APs
[09:41] <GnuKemist> delire ipw2200
[09:41] <K-Rich> any ideas on why i can only burn cds as root?
[09:41] <Fazer> delire: Ah okay thanks.  I am booting back to XP on the laptop just to backup any more left over shit to my ftp.
[09:41] <Fazer> =/
[09:41] <delire> GnuKemist: i compiled my own, one only needs to recompile it when switching kernels
[09:41] <ogra> GnuKemist, tried the ubuntu-users mailing list ?
[09:41] <SeamusLP> K-Rich is your user in the cdrom group?
[09:41] <Bazzi> K-Rich only root has super cow powers.
[09:41] <delire> Fazer: hehe he's getting the shakes ..
[09:41] <GnuKemist> ogra will try that next
[09:41] <K-Rich> SeamusLP: yes
[09:42] <Fazer> yeah =/
[09:42] <SeamusLP> K-Rich what are you using to burn?
[09:42] <Fazer> too bad I won't be able to play my favourite game on the thinkpad =/
[09:42] <delire> GnuKemist: it's easy to compile by the way.. i can walk you through it. also the newest driver is very stable.
[09:42] <K-Rich> cdrecord through xcdroast
[09:42] <ogra> GnuKemist, i'm pretty sure there were others having this problem
[09:42] <GnuKemist> delire am not planning of switching kernels unless it is done automatically during dist-upgrade
[09:42] <K-Rich> (since xcdroast is just a frontend)
[09:42] <delire> GnuKemist: well that will be every six months...
[09:43] <delire> GnuKemist: can you 'iwlist <nic> scanning'?
[09:43] <GnuKemist> delire I think I can do it but would really like if you stick around...  problem is I won't be able to do it until I get home
[09:43] <delire> GnuKemist: what does iwconfig say?
[09:43] <GnuKemist> delire iwlist works and tells me available APs
[09:44] <SeamusLP> k-rich have you checked the permissions on your cdrom devices in /dev?
[09:44] <solarwinds> Hi all, I compile new kernel 2.6.11 fot VMware, but now I lost my wireless card drivers and I cant get it back, please help.
[09:44] <GnuKemist> delire iwconfig gives me all the info for card itself and AP (MAC, key, ESSID, etc)
[09:44] <delire> GnuKemist: you cannot connect to any?
[09:44] <delire> GnuKemist: cool. try 'iwconfig <nic> essid <ap>'
[09:45] <delire> GnuKemist: where <nic> is you card and <ap> is an access point you choose.
[09:45] <GnuKemist> delire done that... it works... but it doesn't go any further afterwards
[09:45] <GnuKemist> delire  iwconfig eth1 essid [blah]
[09:45] <delire> GnuKemist: do you see any output with wavemon or similar?
[09:46] <GnuKemist> delire am not familiar with wavemon
[09:46] <Fazer> btw
[09:46] <Fazer> whats a good binary newsgroup reader for linux?
[09:46] <ryman|> can someone please help me with partitioning the swap, / and /home ? I'm installing Ubuntu
[09:46] <ryman|> I have 37G freespace
[09:46] <delire> GnuKemist: make sure the AP's you're connecting to don't have a line like this: Encryption key:on
[09:46] <djm62> Fazer: pan, if it's still around
[09:46] <Fazer> djm62m: oh =/
[09:46] <delire> Fazer: binary?
[09:46] <solarwinds> ryman|, how can  I help you ??
[09:46] <SeamusLP> ryman|  it should do that automatically for you in your free space.  Swap will automatically be your ram size x 2.5 it think
[09:47] <Fazer> delire: YEah...so you can download binary files from newsgroups like images?
[09:47] <K-Rich> SeamusLP: /dev/hdc is root.cdrom rw-rw----  /dev/cdrom is root.root rwxrwxrwx
[09:47] <mcphail> GnuKemist: what entries do you have in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[09:47] <delire> Fazer: ahah, no idea. see freshmeat.net or 'apt-cache search binary newsgroup reader'
[09:47] <ogra> Fazer, i think pan does taht
[09:47] <GnuKemist> delire don't have the key on...  at work and home they're on but I did try another AP that the key was off and that time I did get an IP but it wouldn't take me anywhere... like the DNS was bogus
[09:48] <delire> GnuKemist: what do you have in /etc/network/interfaces for the card?
[09:48] <nickrud> Fazer: Yes, pan does images quite nicely, sometimes it'll even merge split video
[09:48] <solarwinds> delire, Where I can find drivers for dlink wireless??
[09:48] <GnuKemist> mcphail can't tell now for I'm not at home...
[09:48] <Fazer> delire, orga thanks
[09:48] <Fazer> wait wait
[09:48] <Fazer> I was thining of using Skype with my laptop on linux
[09:48] <delire> GnuKemist: frankly the only time i've heard of this problem is when an old drivers are not removed with an install of new drivers..
[09:48] <Fazer> my thinkpad has a built in microphoen
[09:48] <Fazer> will it work fine with linux?
[09:49] <SeamusLP> K-Rich -- It looks like your /dev/cdrom which is a symlink to /dev/hdc is in the root group whereas /dev/hdc is cdrom
[09:49] <GnuKemist> delire mcphail where were you going with the question?  so I can follow up when I get home
[09:49] <SeamusLP> K-Rich if your programs are trying to access /dev/cdrom they'll need root
[09:49] <GnuKemist> delire brand new laptop and Linux installation
[09:49] <delire> solarwinds: no idea sadly.. i don't use that card. see http://google.com/linux and search for 'ubuntu +dlink +wireless
[09:49] <djm62> Fazer I think so...
[09:49] <Fazer> djm62: Hrm...
[09:49] <solarwinds> delire, thanks
[09:49] <Fazer> djm62: so, if I can get sound working, that means I can also record from my microphone to linux?
[09:50] <K-Rich> SeamusLP: trying to access it as /dev/hdc though :/ i'm reading now where it may be an issue with the 2.6.8 and cdrecord
[09:50] <GnuKemist> Fazer which ThinkPad?
[09:50] <djm62> Fazer: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsIBM
[09:50] <SeamusLP> K-Rich Hummm what kernel are you using?
[09:50] <delire> GnuKemist: ok, then i would look into compiling fresh ones. Intel has improved the drivers alot recently
[09:50] <K-Rich> SeamusLP: <IP_ADDRESS>-5-686
[09:50] <Fazer> GnuKemist: thinkpad 600e.
[09:50] <djm62> Fazer: have a look at that page
[09:50] <SeamusLP> K-Rich I've got the latest 686  from the repos and my cdrecord burner (gnomebaker) is working fine
[09:51] <GnuKemist> delire will using module-assistant allow me to do all that w/o actually re-compiling the kernel?
[09:51] <GnuKemist> delire that plus the kernel-headers
[09:51] <mcphail> GnuKemist: try this as the first lines: auto wlan0 <newline> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[09:51] <SeamusLP> K-Rich:  Warty Warthog?
[09:51] <delire> GnuKemist: then 'ifdown; ifup wlan0'
[09:52] <delire> ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0
[09:52] <delire> .. he meant to say..
[09:52] <K-Rich> SeamusLP: this is driving me nuts lol i've tried suid root on cdrecord and cdrdao
[09:52] <GnuKemist> mcphail ok...  will try that tonight...  hope it works
[09:52] <K-Rich> SeamusLP: yeah, did a custom install then added x-window-system-core and xfce4
[09:52] <GnuKemist> delire no prob... I even ifdown eth0 just for the hell of it  ;)
[09:53] <SeamusLP> K-Rich Have you tried a non cdrecord burner?
[09:53] <SeamusLP> K-Rich I think graveman may use something else
[09:53] <K-Rich> nope
[09:53] <ogra> SeamusLP, nope
[09:53] <Fazer> djm62: Sorry, can you give me that link again? my IRC client crashed =(
[09:54] <delire> mcphail: i have seen the ipw2200 not associate due to the old drivers being present in the /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/drivers/net/wireless. new ipw2200 versions install the drivers elsewhere..
[09:54] <Guga> blender won't run, now on Hoary
[09:54] <Guga> did what you asked, ogra
[09:54] <Guga> no luck
[09:54] <delire> Guga: you probably don't have graphics accelleration anymore. run 'glxinfo | grep direct' and tell me what you see
[09:54] <ogra> Guga, doe glxgears run now ?
[09:54] <djm62> Fazer: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsIBM
[09:54] <mcphail> delire: I don't have that card, but I'm just feeling smug as I finally got ndiswrapper to work last night!
[09:54] <Fazer> djm62: thanks.
[09:55] <GnuKemist> delire would you be able to tell me what version you get from apt-cache search ipw2200?
[09:55] <Fazer> djm62: YEah, i remember reading that.
[09:55] <delire> mcphail: hehe nice one. ndiswrapper is a pain in the arse i hear..
[09:55] <SeamusLP> K-Rich Perhaps it is related to the kernel then
[09:55] <delire> GnuKemist: i installed it myself.
[09:55] <delire> GnuKemist: didn't use a package
[09:55] <Guga> no, ogra
[09:55] <SeamusLP> K-Rich If you want the latest one you can compile it yourself or just dist-upgrade to hoary hedgehog
[09:55] <mcphail> delire: It wasn't ndiswrapper's fault. I just had to use different drivers to the ones I'm running on XP
[09:55] <delire> Guga: run 'glxinfo | grep direct' and tell me what you see
[09:55] <ogra> Guga, do: sudo gedit /etc/modules
[09:56] <GnuKemist> delire ok... I already have them from ipw2200.sourceforge.net...  will be back later tonight
[09:56] <ogra> Guga, add the word nvidia as the last line
[09:56] <delire> mcphail: tell that to Fazer ;)
[09:56] <ogra> Guga, save the file
[09:56] <K-Rich> SeamusLP: screw it, just install gksu and i'll use gksudo lol
[09:56] <Guga> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:56] <Guga> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:56] <Guga> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:56] <Guga> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[09:56] <Guga> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:56] <delire> GnuKemist: may see you later, though it's 10pm here
[09:56] <Guga> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:56] <ogra> Guga, (only add it if its not there yet)
[09:56] <GnuKemist> delire where are you btw?
[09:57] <delire> GnuKemist: denmark currently
[09:57] <mcphail> delire: what probs is Fazer having?
[09:57] <delire> mcphail: ndiswrapper woes
[09:57] <SeamusLP> K-Rich:  I'd recommend posting to or searching the forums.  Someone else must have had that problem if it's related to a kernel in warty.
[09:57] <ogra> Guga, after that run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select nvidia as the driver
[09:57] <djm62> Fazer: although all the issues there are probably fixed by now...all of the google pages about 600E vs linux are a few years old
[09:57] <delire> mcphail: but as you suggest.. perhaps it's the drivers themselves
[09:57] <GnuKemist> delire went to Copenhagen Sept 2003...  What a great country!
[09:57] <Shadow98> where is the best place to get themes for gnome that is not down right now?
[09:57] <mcphail> delire: it took me 18 months to work it out!
[09:57] <ipcopnewbie> i'm having a problem getting winXP to talk to samba on warty when using DHCP... anybody got any tips? works fine if i switch back to static ip's :-(
[09:57] <GnuKemist> delire even took some Danish classes
[09:57] <delire> GnuKemist: i like it too..
[09:58] <Fazer> djm62: Hmm yeah, thats what i was thinking.
[09:58] <delire> GnuKemist: nice
[09:58] <GnuKemist> delire I worked for Lundbeck
[09:58] <delire> mcphail: eek
[09:58] <ogra> Guga, check the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file if nvidia is in there....if it is, reboot
[09:58] <Fazer> So now, its installing the Ubuntu base system/
[09:58] <GnuKemist> delire have you heard of it?
[09:58] <delire> GnuKemist: ahah.. big company
[09:58] <delire> GnuKemist: i think so yes
[09:58] <Fazer> what's Lundbeck?
[09:58] <GnuKemist> delire yup...
[09:58] <delire> a big company
[09:58] <Fazer> IT related or what?
[09:58] <GnuKemist> Fazer pharma  company in Denmark
[09:58] <djm62> Shadow98: themes.freshmeat.net, and art.gnome.org
[09:58] <Fazer> I heard Fazer is a finn/swedish company that makes awesome chocolate!
[09:59] <Fazer> w00t.
[09:59] <GnuKemist> hehehe
[09:59] <goldfish> emmmm, can u use gdesklets while running xfce?
[09:59] <delire> GnuKemist: have you searched for 'chemistry' in http://freshmeat.net ? ;) might find it interesting
[09:59] <GnuKemist> delire yup...  have you heard of the Knoppix-based Bio live CDs?
[09:59] <Fazer> silly MS router...still doesn't show the hostname on the router.
[10:00] <delire> GnuKemist: yes saw that recently actually. hilarious. looks cool though
[10:00] <GnuKemist> delire but I worked as a programmer for them... I do have a science degree as well
[10:00] <_phate_> How do I restart the esd sound daemon?
[10:00] <delire> GnuKemist: cool..
[10:00] <GnuKemist> delire yeah...  and now I work for the city of NY
[10:00] <delire> GnuKemist: hmm, NY is not a bad place. wouldn't like to live there though
[10:00] <ipcopnewbie> i'm having a problem getting winXP to talk to samba on warty when using DHCP... anybody got any tips? works fine if i switch back to static ip's :-(
[10:01] <GnuKemist> delire it is ok... crowded but ok
[10:01] <GnuKemist> delire but Denmark is a great place too...  everyone is so nice
[10:01] <Fazer> I have cousins in Denmark
[10:01] <delire> GnuKemist: for sure. i see no reason to leave europe ;)
[10:01] <GnuKemist> delire I got to see the Museum of WWII
[10:02] <delire> nice
[10:02] <GnuKemist> delire I really wanted to transfer there but it didn't work out
[10:02] <GnuKemist> oh well
[10:03] <T5> hi can you tell me where i can find the .config used for packaging ubuntu 2.6.1x kernels?
[10:03] <ogra> T5, in /boot
[10:03] <sr> hi
[10:04] <sr> anyone able to use amarok with hoary ubuntu (no kubuntu)
[10:04] <sr> ?
[10:04] <Elsidox> when can we start testing breezy?
[10:04] <djm62> sr: can you set it to use gstreamer?
[10:05] <Bazzi-> Elsidox now.
[10:05] <ogra> Elsidox, i would say after the conference (end of this month)
[10:05] <Bazzi-> isnt the repos open already?
[10:05] <] Brelic[> what's the easiest way to su as another user and give it X display access?
[10:05] <ogra> Elsidox, currently its not even compiled completely...
[10:05] <djm62> Shadow98: no problem...
[10:05] <Bazzi-> oh.
[10:06] <djm62> ] Brelic[: install sshd
[10:06] <ogra> Bazzi, sure, you may even use it... but i wouldnt suggest to ;)
[10:06] <pvh> Where can I find documentation for the Multimedia Systems Selector?
[10:06] <Bazzi> (-:
[10:06] <djm62> ] Brelic[: then ssh -
[10:06] <Elsidox> ogra, thanks
[10:07] <] Brelic[> djm62, ok, thanks.
[10:07] <deresh> hi to all
[10:07] <deresh> does anybody know how to configure isdn on hoary
[10:07] <djm62> ] Brelic[: there are other ways, and sshd may seem like overkill, but it forwards X connections nicely and transparently
[10:07] <] Brelic[> anyone have MythTV installed under Hoary?  it tells me to complete a script as 'mythtv' user, but doesn't give me its password?
[10:07] <] Brelic[> djm62, you mean ssh -X ?
[10:08] <jordanau> djm62, do you have any experience with ssh?
[10:08] <Fazer> GHmmm
[10:08] <Fazer> So I guess the installation i snow 96% donw now.
[10:08] <djm62> jordanau: lots
[10:08] <Fazer> *done
[10:08] <delire> Fazer: not too bad..
[10:08] <Fazer> so...whats good about ext3?
[10:08] <djm62> mostly as client, ran the server when I had a permanent IP
[10:08] <delire> Fazer: it's a journaled fs
[10:09] <Fazer> delire: Oh, what does that mean?
[10:09] <jordanau> djm62, i want to set it up on my computer and my parents computer i want to be able trouble shoot any problem they have, is ssh the correct solution?
[10:09] <holycow> what is the name of the gtk replacement for k3b?
[10:09] <deresh> i have a clean hoary install (64 bit) , all went ok but i have no sound ( soound card is audigy) - it worked perfectly on 32 bit version
[10:09] <djm62> jordanau: almost certainly
[10:09] <_phate_> I've got all the restricted formats installed but totem won't play my mp3s anyhelp?
[10:09] <delire> Fazer: if your system goes down or turns off suddenly all the structure is maintained by the journal file
[10:09] <jordanau> djm62, they are on dialup, is it still a viable solution?
[10:09] <djm62> holycow: gnomebakery is what I have, but I haven't tested it yet
[10:10] <delire> Fazer: therefore no windows-like file system check (linux equiv fsck).
[10:10] <Fazer> delire: aah, i see.
[10:10] <holycow> djm62, oh thats it, thx
[10:10] <sr> djm62, I kind of did it
[10:10] <Fazer> delire: Is it as fast as NTFS on windows?
[10:10] <djm62> jordanau: yeah...X forwarding might be a bit ugly, but text will be fine
[10:10] <delire> Fazer: every 30 boots it will check the fs for integrity automatically unless you set it otherwise.
[10:10] <sr> I installed the amarok-gstreamer package
[10:10] <onno> I got Ubuntu but how do I install Kbuntu along?
[10:10] <jordanau> djm62, great i will find a how to and get to work
[10:10] <delire> Fazer: well i haven't used windows for longer than a couple of hours in about 5 years so i don't know.
[10:11] <holycow> djm62, doesn't appear to be in universe ... i presume it's new and gotta dl it from web?
[10:11] <deresh> onno: try apt-get kdebase
[10:11] <Fazer> delire: haha I see.
[10:11] <sr> I selected gstreamer in the engine menu of amarok, but it still doesnt work
[10:11] <delire> Fazer: ask someone else that question. it is fast though yes..
[10:11] <onno> thats all?
[10:11] <djm62> jordanau: use an ubuntu howto if possible...apt-get sshd (or whatever the package name is)
[10:11] <deresh> onno: or select with synaptic kdebase package
[10:11] <djm62> holycow: it's somewhere...multiverse?
[10:11] <delire> Fazer: the fastest of all will be the new 'reiserfs' version. however DMA is everything here.
[10:11] <deresh> onno: and you should get a kde in login screen session selection
[10:11] <onno> O I thought I would have to select many packedges to also have kbuntu
[10:11] <holycow> oh, gnomebaker
[10:11] <holycow> lol
[10:11] <jordanau> djm62, are the server and client in the same package?
[10:12] <onno> great
[10:12] <holycow> gnomebakery returns a whole other set of results :)
[10:12] <holycow> hehe
[10:12] <Fazer> delire: Hmm, I see.
[10:12] <djm62> jordanau: can't remember
[10:12] <holycow> danke
[10:12] <jordanau> holycow, gnomebaker has worked well for me
[10:12] <djm62> sr: did you restart amarok after changing?
[10:12] <delire> Fazer: ubuntu used DMA by default i believe.
[10:12] <Fazer> =/
[10:12] <holycow> jordanau, k3b is wonderfull but i don't want to be running kde libs if i don't haveto
[10:12] <dcraven> Fazer, done yet?
[10:13] <ztonzy> delire, or any linux ;)
[10:13] <Fazer> 70% done on copying remaining packages to hard disk
[10:13] <delire> largely due to the monolithic kernel
[10:13] <jordanau> holycow, in warty it would lock when converting mp3 > wav for burning
[10:13] <delire> ztonzy: well not this machine ;)
[10:13] <jordanau> ztonzy, are you an admin at elysiun?
[10:13] <Fazer> dcraven: Well, I think I am almost there.  What comes after Copying remaining packages to to hard disk?
[10:13] <holycow> jordanau, *nod*
[10:13] <ztonzy> delire, how fast ?
[10:13] <deresh> i have a clean hoary install (64 bit) , all went ok but i have no sound ( oound card is audigy) -not thourgh esd nor oss nor alsa  it worked perfectly on 32 bit version anyone???
[10:13] <ztonzy> jordanau, I answered YES before , so yes
[10:13] <delire> ztonzy: about 16 seconds
[10:13] <sr> djm62, yep, I did
[10:13] <ztonzy> jordanau, why ?
[10:13] <dcraven> Fazer, no idea. I forgot to memorize the install process. ;)
[10:13] <ztonzy> delire, awsome
[10:13] <jordanau> just recognized the name
[10:13] <delire> ztonzy: though if i'm looking for an IP then it's slower.
[10:13] <jordanau> didn't know you used ubuntu
[10:13] <Fazer> dcraven: hehe ;)
[10:13] <DocUb> What's the best peer to peer programs?
[10:13] <ztonzy> delire, aha
[10:13] <djm62> sr: and are all the appropriate volumes turned up?
[10:14] <jordanau> of course i never asked
[10:14] <DocUb> aMule really blows
[10:14] <ztonzy> jordanau, aha...just not all knows
[10:14] <jordanau> DocUb, amule and azureus in my opinion
[10:14] <djm62> DocUb: limewire, if you don't mind java
[10:14] <delire> DocUb: or try xMule
[10:14] <dcraven> DocUb, I like giftd/giFToxic when I'm in the mood for leeching.
[10:14] <ztonzy> former Fedore before Blender conference...shortly debian...then Ubuntu
[10:14] <jpe> on a amd 64bit bit install, the 32 bit gtk libraries don't seem to work because they try to load 64 bit modules
[10:14] <sr> djm62, yes, plus, the mp3 are changing very oftenly
[10:14] <_phate_> I've got all the restricted formats installed but totem won't play my mp3s, I need some help please.
[10:14] <holycow> man we get some whack names in open source, i can imagine installing this for gramma and her thinking gnomebaker is software for making baking recipies
[10:14] <holycow> hehe
[10:14] <DocUb> good deal guys :-D
[10:14] <DocUb> brb lemme try those out
[10:14] <dcraven> DocUb, there. 500+ people, 500+ different opinions.
[10:14] <djm62> sr: do you have the gstreamer-mp3 packages?
[10:15] <delire> _phate_: did you install the mp3 decoder plugins?
[10:15] <ztonzy> jordanau, nice...well..quite known nick I guess :P
[10:15] <DocUb> lol
[10:15] <DocUb> dcraven: very true
[10:15] <djm62> holycow: or a program for baking gnomes!
[10:15] <ztonzy> jordanau, you registered ?
[10:15] <delire> _phate_: as djm62 more eloquently puts it ;)
[10:15] <DocUb> but half of those are just thrown in there for fun
[10:15] <DocUb> :-p
[10:15] <jordanau> ztonzy, yeah i usually find myself in OT
[10:15] <sr> there's no such package
[10:15] <shad0w1e> where are my kernel headers stored?
[10:15] <_phate_> delire: yes I doo
[10:15] <dvali14> aq qartveli aris vinme?
[10:15] <ztonzy> jordanau, aha...I dont :)
[10:15] <dvali14> aq qartveli aris vinme?
[10:15] <dvali14> aq qartveli aris vinme?
[10:15] <dvali14> aq qartveli aris vinme?
[10:15] <dvali14> aq qartveli aris vinme?
[10:15] <jordanau> aha
[10:15] <Fazer> dvali14...
[10:15] <DocUb> ?
[10:15] <dcraven> ...
[10:15] <djm62> sr: they may be in a different repo...I forget
[10:15] <deresh> i have a clean hoary install (64 bit) , all went ok but i have no sound ( oound card is audigy) -not thourgh esd nor oss nor alsa  it worked perfectly on 32 bit version anyone???
[10:16] <delire> _phate_: talk to djm62 .. i'm not running ubuntu right now.
[10:16] <ztonzy> jordanau, well sometimes it can be fun to read, but I am not much into endless debates
[10:16] <sr> damn
[10:16] <DocUb> lol, giFToxic opens and closes within like 2 seconds worth
[10:16] <DocUb> doesn't even stay open
[10:16] <dvali14> what Fazer?
[10:16] <dcraven> DocUb, is giftd running?
[10:16] <Fazer> dvali14: nevermind.
[10:16] <sr> let try to reboot, it shouldnt change anything but ...
[10:16] <DocUb> it's in my apps > internet
[10:17] <jordanau> ztonzy, i like to throw my opinion in there everyonce and a while :)
[10:17] <Fazer> dcraven: now its configuring apt.
[10:17] <djm62> sr: I'm almost sure it won't
[10:17] <DocUb> I clic, and it dies once I click t
[10:17] <djm62> d'oh
[10:17] <mitza> hey
[10:17] <ztonzy> jordanau, I did used Kubuntu shortly before release...but I got fileerrors 2 times, and when fixed it...I removed my /home ny accident, and I was thinking maybe Ubuntu release is more stable than Kubuntu
[10:17] <dcraven> deresh, run alsamixer in a terminal and make sure your channels arent't muted or set to zero volume. You can use the arrow keys to move around.
[10:17] <Fazer> uh ohs
[10:17] <Fazer> Installing GRUB boot loader.
[10:17] <mitza> how do i install a desktop theme in gnome?
[10:17] <DocUb> I have g++, gcc, java, gtk, and all those useful things compiled, but it's not working :(
[10:17] <ztonzy> jordanau, aah...I let theeth and some newer mods have their eyes there :)
[10:17] <DocUb> mitza: type GTK
[10:17] <dvali14> what?
[10:17] <jordanau> ztonzy, yeah ditto
[10:18] <Fazer> yay
[10:18] <Fazer> my cd got ejacted.
[10:18] <ztonzy> jordanau, yes
[10:18] <Fazer> *ejected
[10:18] <DocUb> in your Synaptic that is Mitza
[10:18] <djm62> mitza: menu System->Preferences->Theme
[10:18] <DocUb> or that
[10:18] <deresh> dcraven: donw that doesnt help
[10:18] <DocUb> lol
[10:18] <ztonzy> jordanau, I was just not long ago raised to admin...
[10:18] <jordanau> ztonzy, you know you want gnome anyway :p
[10:18] <deresh> dcraven: done that doesnt help
[10:18] <ztonzy> jordanau, hehe
[10:18] <jordanau> ztonzy, actually have you tried xfce?
[10:18] <ztonzy> jordanau, actually...gnome feels a lot more "clunky" to me than KDE
[10:18] <mitza> where can i find some good themes
[10:18] <mitza> ?
[10:19] <goldfish> mitza: gnome-look.org i think is one good site
[10:19] <ztonzy> jordanau, yes...some time ago,. but I dont like I need to make my own menus and try to find everything for myself
[10:19] <djm62> to whom it may concern: gstreamer0.8-lame is the mp3 codec
[10:19] <jordanau> mitza, gnome-look , themes.freshmeat.com
[10:19] <jordanau> mitza, or org
[10:19] <Fazer> soo...takes a little longer than XP to boot up.
[10:19] <djm62> mitza: art.gnome.org
[10:19] <deresh> dcraven: none chanel muted...when i toggle audio/digital switch i get some noise su i think driver is ok but no sound at all
[10:19] <delire> Fazer: yes it does sadly..
[10:19] <dcraven> DocUb, hmmm. That is weird. That combo is great for the Kazaa network if you get it working. Make sure giftd is installed. Maybe run it in a terminal and look for an error.
[10:19] <ztonzy> jordanau, I have set my gnome (or metacity) to low resources...drawn with the grid
[10:20] <Fazer> delire: =/
[10:20] <delire> ztonzy: you can run openbox (a great light window manager) in gnome. that will speed things up alot.
[10:20] <neighborlee> how do I get RAID stuff to not startup during boot..as I dont have any RAID devices ??? ;-))))
[10:20] <mitza> anyone knows this one?
[10:20] <ztonzy> delire, aah ?
[10:20] <dcraven> deresh, I don't know much about getting sound to work unfortunately. I just know that the unmuting thing sometimes helps :)
[10:20] <jordanau> mitza, did you see my response??
[10:20] <mitza> ./TakeItTux.themed/style
[10:20] <zemantic> i got a laptop here with no boot floppy and no cdrom, running mandrake, is there any chance I can get ubuntu on this?
[10:20] <mitza> yes
[10:21] <mitza> i did
[10:21] <delire> Fazer: hmm, a bit boring that part. when you compile your first kernel (if you do) you can take out all the uneeded drivers and other bits.
[10:21] <zemantic> some kind of local mount boot?
[10:21] <mitza> i cant install some tipes of themes
[10:21] <jordanau> did you have another question?
[10:21] <djm62> sr: gstreamer0.8-lame work for you?
[10:21] <mitza> types
[10:21] <jordanau> mitza, what type?
[10:21] <Fazer> delire: Oh.
[10:21] <deresh> dcraven: i thought so to but it isn't that...thanx for trying :)
[10:21] <zemantic> it's got network, just no bootable devices other than the hard drive
[10:21] <delire> ztonzy: i'll find the link. it's a great window manager. http://icculus.org/openbox/2/
[10:21] <Fazer> During the first install, does it usually take some time the first time you boot up linux?
[10:22] <mitza> takeittux-0.60.0.tar.g
[10:22] <mitza> z
[10:22] <djm62> zemantic: how is the hard disk partitioned?
[10:22] <deresh> i have a clean hoary install (64 bit) , all went ok but i have no sound ( sound card is audigy) -not through esd nor oss nor alsa  it worked perfectly on 32 bit version anyone???
[10:22] <jordanau> mitza, have you installed themes before?
[10:22] <zemantic> djm62, all mandrake
[10:22] <mitza> nope
[10:22] <djm62> zemantic: any chance of booting from usb?
[10:22] <mitza> i`m a newbie
[10:22] <Fazer> bah, its unpacking and a lot of .debs
[10:22] <djm62> zemantic: how many partitions for mandrake?
[10:22] <jordanau> mitza, system > preference > theme
[10:22] <zemantic> djm62, i don't think so, I'm willing to trash mandrake
[10:23] <mitza> yes
[10:23] <mitza> then?
[10:23] <zemantic> djm62, i mean i don't think so (USB)
[10:23] <jordanau> mitza, install theme then point to the tar.gz
[10:23] <Fazer> how do you check how much free spac eyou have in linux?
[10:23] <dcraven> Fazer, df
[10:23] <jordanau> df
[10:23] <deresh> fazer: df -h
[10:23] <Fazer> dcraven: yeah -h
[10:23] <Fazer> i rememebr I now
[10:23] <Fazer> human readable =/
[10:23] <Fazer> i have a littl ebit of experience in teh command line
[10:23] <dcraven> I use pydf.
[10:23] <Fazer> tail, cat, grep useful tools.
[10:23] <Fazer> pydf? python?!
[10:23] <delire> ztonzy: you can do some very nice things with the text and rendering in openbox http://icculus.org/openbox/2/shots/full/mwil-sshot.png
[10:23] <Fazer> i love python!
[10:23] <dcraven> ...because I'm cool.
[10:24] <mitza> yes but says the file format is invalid
[10:24] <delire> Fazer: hehe so do i
[10:24] <jordanau> hmm where did you get it?
[10:24] <Fazer> delire: Awesome, I made an IRC bot in python =/
[10:24] <zemantic> djm62, do you or anyone know if there are ubuntu bootalbe floppies?
[10:24] <zemantic> I might be able to hack in a floppy drive
[10:24] <dcraven> then I get a graph of '#' symbols indicating how much space I have... and colour coded!
[10:24] <delire> Fazer: grand ;)
[10:24] <djm62> zemantic: if you have room/memory you can do 'swapoff' then make your swap partition bootable (maybe with GNU parted on it) then add that to grub/lilo, and use it to resize mdk to make room for ubuntu
[10:24] <Fazer> dcraven: haha, awesome!
[10:24] <chazwurth> dcraven: nice, I'd never seen that before
[10:25] <delire> Fazer: so did it all install?
[10:25] <chazwurth> dcraven: already installed -- it's nice :)
[10:25] <zemantic> djm62, hey good idea ;)
[10:25] <Fazer> delire: yeah, it seems to be unpacking .debs
[10:25] <mitza> so ?
[10:25] <delire> Fazer: good
[10:25] <mitza> heeelp
[10:25] <ztonzy> delire, aah ok...but about tools , menus etc ???
[10:25] <dcraven> chazwurth, yeah. I aliased it to df because I never remember I have it.
[10:25] <jordanau> mitza, WHERE DID YOU GET IT
[10:25] <jordanau> SSORRY FOR CAPS
[10:25] <ztonzy> lol
[10:25] <jordanau> worng button :)
[10:25] <chazwurth> heh
[10:25] <Fazer> Caps lock is the autopilot for COOL~1
[10:25] <dcraven> haha.. jordanau
[10:26] <dcraven> jordanau, maybe he /ignored you... lol
[10:26] <jordanau> thank you thank you
[10:26] <DocUb> azureus
[10:26] <DocUb> err
[10:26] <ztonzy> jordanau, what keyboard do you have ?  mine is Logitech Cordless Desktop EX-100, and I cant see if I have caps on, no LEDs for it here lol
[10:26] <dcraven> Other window DocUb.
[10:26] <DocUb> lol
[10:26] <DocUb> Ok I got xMule
[10:26] <delire> ztonzy: well it just picks up the debian menu. you can use gnome, however. so you have the gnome panel, gnome menu and gnome tools but just use a wm much faster and lighter than metacity/sawfish
[10:26] <DocUb> and...
[10:26] <jordanau> ztonzy, logitech and it has this stupid f-key lock that is always defaulted to not having fkeys
[10:27] <DocUb> It gives me this You have a lowid
[10:27] <DocUb> when connecting
[10:27] <ryman|>  do I really need separate /home and / ?
[10:27] <ztonzy> delire, ah yes...metacity feels slow
[10:27] <delire> DocUb: that is normal
[10:27] <dcraven> ryman|, no, but it's a good idea I think.
[10:27] <djm62> zemantic: I'm not even sure how you'd go from there...install a minimal debian sarge, then add ubuntu sources to /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:27] <Fazer> man...how long does it take to install on a 366 Mhz laptop and how much space does it all consume?
[10:27] <DocUb> ok
[10:27] <chazwurth> ryman|: need? no. can it come in super-handy? yes.
[10:27] <jordanau> mitza, if you are there i am sorry,,,
[10:27] <holycow> hey, gnomebaker looks pretty darned cool
[10:27] <deresh>  no sound ( sound card is audigy) -not through esd nor oss nor alsa - hoary amd64 version-   it worked perfectly on 32 bit version anyone???
[10:27] <holycow> i like it a lot
[10:27] <jordanau> mitza, it was an accident
[10:27] <zemantic> djm62, no way to tell grub to boot from usb? or some network?
[10:27] <ztonzy> jordanau, oh lol...I had that a short while too...  Access Deluxe ? I got so tired of it I bout this new one heh
[10:27] <holycow> djm62, thanks, appreciate the tip
[10:28] <delire> ztonzy: apt-get install openbox and then to try 'killall <yourwindowmanager> && openbox' in a terminal
[10:28] <dcraven> ryman|, that way your data and application settings are preserved over many installs of Linux.
[10:28] <mitza> what?
[10:28] <ztonzy> jordanau, in Blender we use F-keys all the time...makes me feel mad after a while
[10:28] <delire> ztonzy: it will be dramatic for a second or two ;)
[10:28] <dcraven> jordanau, lol
[10:28] <zemantic> djm62, or some program that just reboots your computer up to a certain image? that would be nice :/  i'm not magic enough to pull that kind of stuff
[10:28] <ztonzy> delire, thanks mr expert ! :D
[10:28] <mitza> i dld`ed it from freshmeat.org adult/section
[10:28] <ryman|> chazwurth, can you help me with the partition ? I'm trying to install Ubuntu right now
[10:28] <mitza> http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/931/?hash=c9a609816fbd280b3cfbaee821a741c6&offset=0
[10:28] <delire> ztonzy: i try..
[10:28] <ztonzy> delire, what about open apps and windows ?
[10:28] <mitza> letz take one of this
[10:28] <djm62> zemantic: I'm not sure...grub is booted, so if the bios won't boot from usb, grub is unlikely to
[10:28] <mitza> the first
[10:28] <Fazer> omg, screw openoffice, abiword is enough for me=(
[10:28] <chazwurth> ryman|: what do you need to know?
[10:28] <DocUb> wow, these peer apps really don't like to connect to servers
[10:29] <delire> ztonzy: they /*should*/ accept the new wm and not die like lambs..
[10:29] <ryman|> I have 37G freespace, how many partition do I need to create now ?
[10:29] <dcraven> Fazer, it's part of the ubuntu-desktop package. I uninstall it.
[10:29] <ztonzy> delire, ah ok :)
[10:29] <ryman|> I'm dual bootng winxp and  Ubuntu
[10:29] <ztonzy> and if I decide to go back ?
[10:29] <djm62> zemantic:  otoh, if you can get grub shell you can boot to anything
[10:29] <delire> DocUb: you need to update the server list
[10:29] <chazwurth> ryman|: is that 37 total on the disk, or 37 after the XP install?
[10:29] <Blissex> ryman|: I got a link...
[10:29] <Fazer> dcraven: speaking of uninstalling, how does one uninstall stuff?
[10:29] <delire> ztonzy: logout and back in again..
[10:29] <ryman|> 37G after XP
[10:30] <dcraven> Fazer, use synaptic.
[10:30] <DocUb> Yea I did, that's the odd part
[10:30] <ztonzy> delire, does gnome have "sticky notes" ?
[10:30] <jordanau> mitza, is it called take it tux??
[10:30] <Fazer> dcraven: oh, nice.
[10:30] <Fazer> nice name to
[10:30] <delire> Fazer: i use dpkg -P but other like apt-get --remove
[10:30] <Fazer> synpatic!
[10:30] <mitza> it doesnt matter
[10:30] <ztonzy> delire, aah...the command to try...but it isnt default....until ???
[10:30] <mitza> lets take the first theme
[10:30] <djm62> ztonzy: it does, but they seem to be a bit buggy
[10:30] <Blissex> ryman|: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxNotes.html#partitioning
[10:30] <mitza> from that page
[10:30] <delire> ztonzy: hmm not sure. that's one nice treat about KDE
[10:30] <Fazer> wtf is python2.4-samba
[10:30] <Fazer> ah wlep.
[10:30] <mitza> the ladydragon
[10:30] <mitza> ok?
[10:30] <delire> Fazer: guess ;)
[10:30] <dcraven> Fazer, all good stuff.
[10:30] <deresh>  no sound ( sound card is audigy) -not through esd nor oss nor alsa - hoary amd64 version-   it worked perfectly on 32 bit version anyone???
[10:30] <djm62> ztonzy: they seem to be always on top...which is annoying
[10:30] <ztonzy> djm62, hmmm
[10:31] <Blissex> ryman|: of the 37GB probably you want 3 partitions now: root, swap and /home
[10:31] <ztonzy> djm62, cant be set not on top ?
[10:31] <jordanau> mitza, ladydragon??
[10:31] <Fazer> dcraven: hehe.
[10:31] <Blissex> ryman|: in 37GB, I would say 8-12GB for root, 1-2GB for swap, and the rest for /home
[10:31] <jordanau> mitza, i am going to try it
[10:31] <Gnome> yes I can on online banking now; with java blackdown I most just actived the nvidia-glx-settings:p
[10:31] <djm62> deresh: sounds like a problem with the 64-bit kernel drivers...it will be fixed, but maybe not tonight...can you cope with 32-bit for a while?
[10:31] <Fazer> hm...i think this desktop alos needs linux =/
[10:31] <mitza> it isnt working to me
[10:31] <mitza> it says it is an invalid file format
[10:32] <Gnome> djm62: I cat no problems whit my sound on amd64
[10:32] <dcraven> Fazer, I dare ya!
[10:32] <Fazer> dcraven: I asked my dad yesterday, he said...get a bigger HD.
[10:32] <deresh> djm62: sure i can but i thought that it was only problem with my conf.....
[10:32] <djm62> Gnome: you using the same card?
[10:32] <jordanau> mitza, that theme is for windowmaker not gnome
[10:32] <Fazer> yay
[10:32] <mitza> :?
[10:32] <Gnome> aah dont know :s sorry:)
[10:32] <Fazer> "Setting up diveintopython"
[10:32] <mitza> i`ve installed window maker
[10:32] <dcraven> Fazer, some day you gotta just do it. You'll never wean yourself off of Windows until you format it off (assuming you want to be Windows-free that is).
[10:32] <jordanau> mitza, ahhh
[10:33] <mitza> :D
[10:33] <djm62> Gnome: it sounds like an annoying glitch thing
[10:33] <jordanau> mitza, then i can't help you...
[10:33] <mitza> i`m dumb right?
[10:33] <dcraven> Fazer, that's a python book.
[10:33] <mitza> ok
[10:33] <Fazer> dcraven: Yeah, I have it =)
[10:33] <mitza> np m8
[10:33] <jordanau> mitza, are you in windowmaker?
[10:33] <Fazer> dcraven: I was thinking of getting an iBook =)_
[10:33] <mitza> no
[10:33] <mitza> i`m in gnome
[10:33] <ztonzy> delire, hold on tight, here we go ! :)
[10:33] <jordanau> mitza, you have to be in windowmaker
[10:33] <Gnome> djm62: my sound is just a dolbi 5.1 onboard:)
[10:33] <hellstorm> it's so frustrating, i've ordered ubuntu for a year already and have yet to receive those CDs
[10:33] <Fazer> But yhaving a Windows machine (not hooked up to the network ofcourse) Can be cool to..uhm...stay up to date on the windows world ;)
[10:33] <Elsidox_> has anyone gotten ifolder to run?
[10:33] <dcraven> Fazer, for OSX? Or so you can deal with the Linux/PPC issues?
[10:33] <Fazer> man, ubuntu really loves Python.
[10:33] <ztonzy> delire, wow !
[10:34] <Fazer> dcraven: for OS X  =/
[10:34] <deresh> djm62: but i go a bran new 64bit computer and wanted a 64bit OS....but it seems that i should wait some more for a fully functional 64bit ubuntu
[10:34] <mitza> where can i find themes that supports gnome ?
[10:34] <ztonzy> delire, it went faster than a second !
[10:34] <delire> ztonzy: hehe cool
[10:34] <dcraven> Fazer, yeah Ubuntu is heavy on Python. They even state that they prefer Python for new utilities.
[10:34] <delire> ztonzy: how does it look?
[10:34] <ncp> is there an easy way i can start etc. torsmo when ever i log in as my user? maybe a file i my homedir or something?
[10:34] <jordanau> mitza, you can enter windowmaker if it is properly installed, by loging out going to seesions and choosing windowmaker
[10:34] <deresh> bye all
[10:34] <kakalto> what's kde's ftp manager?
[10:34] <Fazer> dcraven: Awesomeness
[10:34] <jordanau> mitza, i think
[10:34] <DocUb> kftp
[10:34] <djm62> deresh: definitely, but you may as well enjoy fully-functional 32-bit while you wait, no? :-/
[10:34] <ztonzy> delire, tiney borders...but feels slick resizing
[10:35] <mitza> yep
[10:35] <mitza> ok
[10:35] <mitza> i`ll try
[10:35] <cens0red> hey where's the python library tkSnack ?
[10:35] <djm62> ncp: .profile (for console login) or gnome-session-manager for graphical stuff
[10:35] <Fazer> dcraven: Do you know how much space a laptop install takes by any chance?
[10:35] <delire> ztonzy: you can alt-leftmousedrag and move the window around
[10:35] <DocUb> kakalto: if you didn't see what I typed, the KDE ftp is kftp
[10:35] <djm62> Fazer: 2Gb or less
[10:35] <Fazer> djm62: Ah, i hope its less ;)(
[10:36] <dcraven> Fazer, no. I've installed tons on this one so it's big now.
[10:36] <Fazer> my HD is only 5.7 GB (real)
[10:36] <kakalto> DocUb, thanks
[10:36] <DocUb> kakalto: np :)
[10:36] <jordanau> anybody have a good mp3 to wav converter??
[10:36] <ztonzy> delire, yes just like any other
[10:36] <djm62> Fazer: remember, it's everything in that 2Gb though...you won't need to install much else significant
[10:36] <Fazer> djm62: Ah yeah, that's neat.
[10:36] <dcraven> Fazer, actually, I've installed tons on here, but my / is only just under 3GB now.
[10:36] <Fazer> djm62: Is Apach/Mysql also included?
[10:36] <Fazer> dcraven: Hmm, I can live with that :P
[10:37] <jordanau> dcraven, i am at 15 gb
[10:37] <Fazer> and what is gstreamer.
[10:37] <kakalto> DocUb, it's not there
[10:37] <kakalto> DocUb, where do I get it?
[10:37] <djm62> Fazer: ubuntu has a "no servers by default" policy, I think
[10:37] <dcraven> jordanau, does that include /home?
[10:37] <DocUb> type FTP in your kynaptic
[10:37] <jordanau> dcraven, yes
[10:37] <kakalto> DocUb, I did, kftp isn't there
[10:37] <jordanau> dcraven, and the first season of lost :)
[10:37] <dcraven> jordanau, well then of course.. All your porn is in there.
[10:37] <DocUb> ok what listings are there that are ftp's
[10:37] <crypticreign[w] > why is it so hard to find info on how to add a shared printer on a windows machine to the cups gui
[10:37] <jordanau> dcraven, lol
[10:37] <chavo> kakalto, I just use konqueror for ftp in KDE.
[10:37] <Fazer> djm62: no servers meaning no apache and stuff?
[10:37] <dcraven> jordanau, I'm just talkin' about /.
[10:38] <thanatosys> hey has anyone ever tried to shop for guys t-shirts on amazon
[10:38] <cens0red> jordanau $mpg123 -w new.wav old.mp3
[10:38] <kakalto> chavo, ahk, thanks
[10:38] <djm62> Fazer: gstreamer sits between multimedia applications and the sound card, so that each application doesn't need to know how to use each type of media file
[10:38] <jordanau> oh i thought / was a parent of /home
[10:38] <Fazer> djm62: oh, i see.
[10:38] <dcraven> jordanau, /home and /boot are their own partitions.
[10:38] <DocUb> :)
[10:38] <thanatosys> i swear there is like 20 million tshirts
[10:38] <mjc> has anyone seen packages for mono for amd64?
[10:38] <mjc> 1.1.4
[10:38] <chavo> There's an app called kbear, but I've never tried it since konq gets the job done.
[10:38] <Fazer> thanatosys: thinkgeek.com has some nice shirts ;)
[10:38] <Fazer> some  are even funny!
[10:38] <jordanau> dcraven, my home is on the same partition, should i change that?
[10:38] <dcraven> jordanau, well it depends on the partitions you made during install.
[10:38] <DocUb> hmm, I think I sawl one come in for Ubuntu a few days ago mjc
[10:38] <djm62> Fazer: yeah...ubuntu is meant to be desktop-oriented, but you can install the other stuff with apt
[10:38] <Fazer> djm62: thats still neat.
[10:38] <thanatosys> yea thinkgeek is ok
[10:38] <jordanau> dcraven, yeah i just have a swap and /
[10:39] <dcraven> jordanau, no matter. It just means that when you reinstall Linux some day you will lose your data and application settings.
[10:39] <thanatosys> im looking for shirts that i dont have to worry about seeing other people wear
[10:39] <Fazer> Hmm... "Fontonfig error: Cannot load default config file"
[10:39] <thanatosys> i almost attempted at making my own in photosho
[10:39] <thanatosys> p
[10:39] <djm62> Fazer: most people don't use servers so they'd just be a liability
[10:39] <dcraven> jordanau, I've had the same /home partition and data over several installs for years... haha
[10:39] <Fazer> djm62: yeah, I understand.
[10:39] <dcraven> jordanau, well.. SInce 2001.
[10:39] <Gandalfar> dcraven: tried a lot of distros?
[10:39] <Fazer> Now just wish it would hury up with setting all those packages.
[10:39] <chavo> thanatosys, just go to cafepress.com and open up a shop. Upload your art and order a tshirt.
[10:40] <thanatosys> yea ive thought about it but im lazy
[10:40] <Fazer> w00t, python2.4-twisted is installed too eh, that is le awesome.
[10:40] <thanatosys> plust the font to make a got linux shirt is 22bucks
[10:40] <chavo> Yeah me too.
[10:40] <thanatosys> cannot find it for free
[10:40] <dcraven> Gandalfar, not really.  ;P
[10:41] <dcraven> jordanau, haha... Your logs pointed me to it. I can't take credit.
[10:41] <thanatosys> "You say potato, i say fuck you"
[10:41] <Cred> Hello, could someone help me a bit with hotplug not loading firmware?
[10:41] <DocUb> lol
[10:41] <dcraven> thanatosys, lol
[10:41] <dcraven> don't swear.
[10:41] <delire> Fazer: Ubuntu is probably the OS closest to python in existance for that reason.
[10:41] <thanatosys> sorry i put it in quotes
[10:41] <djm62> Fazer: it will be happy without you, and if it needs you it will wait patiently
[10:41] <thanatosys> plus cussing like f*** you looks dumb
[10:41] <Gandalfar> What an idea, PythonOS! :)
[10:42] <jordanau> thanatosys, haha
[10:42] <dcraven> thanatosys, true ;p
[10:42] <jordanau> Gandalfar, yeah no need to compile.....
[10:42] <Fazer> djm62: hehe, kinda like a girl(friend)
[10:42] <dcraven> Gandalfar, with a Python kernel.
[10:42] <DocUb> delire: do you know how to remove a listing in the Applications taskbar?
[10:42] <Fazer> speaking of which, i really need one.
[10:42] <DocUb> Such as Debian
[10:42] <djm62> :-D
[10:42] <thanatosys> has anyone noticed that whenever gd is uttered on mtv God is bleeped out instead of dam?
[10:42] <Gandalfar> dcraven: is that doable?
[10:42] <cens0red> Python OS?
[10:42] <Fazer> wait, i hope i didnt piss any females off in here.
[10:42] <delire> DocUb: i don't use Gnome.. sorry
[10:42] <Fazer> Python OS owuld rule.
[10:42] <jordanau> Gandalfar, it would be super fast
[10:42] <DocUb> :-/
[10:42] <Fazer> from system import wifi
[10:42] <DocUb> no worries
[10:42] <Fazer> wifi.workalreadyplease()
[10:42] <dcraven> Gandalfar, it wouldn't be a very good idea if it were.
[10:42] <dags> is it critical for performance to update to the 686-smp kernel image when using a new p4?
[10:43] <Gandalfar> it would probably resamble Oberon OS
[10:43] <Fazer> wait.. DocUb is a female?
[10:43] <DocUb> umm
[10:43] <DocUb> no
[10:43] <Fazer> oh
[10:43] <DocUb> I am a male
[10:43] <delire> Fazer: hehe
[10:43] <Gandalfar> dags: not really
[10:43] <cens0red> hey where's the python library tkSnack ?
[10:43] <DocUb> yep male
[10:43] <dcraven> dags, I would do it, but I wouldn't call it "critical".
[10:43] <djm62> apt-get install y-chromosome
[10:43] <Raskall> to get my laptop upgraded to breezy, do I just replace "hoary" with "breezy" in sources.list, apt-get update, and apt-get dist-upgrade?
[10:43] <DocUb> yep Raskall
[10:43] <delire> DocUb: i think there is a gnome menu editor of some kind in circulation
[10:44] <Gandalfar> brezzy is out! Whoo, new updates time
[10:44] <DocUb> ahh
[10:44] <Raskall> DocUb: thanx. :)
[10:44] <punkrockguy318> What is a program that will modify a large amount of jpeg pictures?
[10:44] <Gandalfar> punkrockguy318: imagemagick
[10:44] <Fazer> punkrockguy318: convert
[10:44] <DocUb> delire, thnx for the tip, forgot about that thing
[10:44] <djm62> punkrockguy318: convert
[10:44] <mcphail> dags - the 686 kernels aremuch better. Isn't the smp kernel for dual processors?
[10:44] <Fazer> which is part of imagemagik
[10:44] <DocUb> no problem Raskal
[10:44] <dcraven> Raskall, you may get errors following that algorithm if you have merrillat etc in there though.
[10:44] <jordanau> yeah i will get breezy in a little under six months...
[10:44] <thanatosys> hey is a pentium m processor a 686 or what
[10:44] <punkrockguy318> Alright... i'm not to great wish bash, is there a script or some sort of frontend?
[10:44] <dcraven> punkrockguy318, imagemajick + bash.
[10:44] <thanatosys> i have never found out
[10:44] <thanatosys> ?
[10:45] <Raskall> dcraven: that should not be a problem. Have clean ubuntu-repos all the way
[10:45] <Gandalfar> punkrockguy318: what do you want to do?
[10:45] <mcphail> thanatosys: the 686 kernel is good with pentium m
[10:45] <Fazer> how long would/should it take for Ubuntu to load on a low-end laptop like mine? (thinkpad with 366 MHz)
[10:45] <thanatosys> thanks
[10:45] <punkrockguy318> Gandalfar, i would like to reduce the quality of some of my pictures
[10:45] <dcraven> punkrockguy318, I dunno.
[10:45] <dags> mcphail, smp is for dual and hyper threading cpu like p4
[10:45] <dcraven> Raskall, you're good to go then!
[10:45] <delire> punkrockguy318 hehe
[10:45] <Gandalfar> punkrockguy318: take a look at 'convert' manpage to see how you can use -quality
[10:45] <djm62> Fazer: it's just grinding away at the disk and cd drives...it could take a while...up to an hour
[10:45] <dcraven> Raskall, be warned though it could be a bumpy few weeks.
[10:45] <Gandalfar> punkrockguy318: then google up 'for' sentance in bash
[10:45] <delire> punkrockguy318 or setup a script in gimp
[10:46] <jordanau> punkrockguy318, can't gimp do batch file work
[10:46] <mcphail> dags: ok - then I'd upgrade.
[10:46] <punkrockguy318> jordanau, hmm, i wasn't aware
[10:46] <Fazer> djm62: Yeah, during install, I don't really mind that .
[10:46] <punkrockguy318> Gandalfar, mmm very good idea
[10:46] <Fazer> just anxious to get wifi working.
[10:46] <punkrockguy318> Gandalfar, i've never became fluent with the bash syntax... good idea!
[10:46] <punkrockguy318> thanks a lot everyone
[10:46] <jordanau> punkrockguy318, this might be crazy but run a bash script and then a gimp python fu script to do all you need
[10:46] <Raskall> dcraven: :) np. I just pop in the hoary cd if it gets too bad. :) I am just changing diapers and feeding my baby these days, so I have plenty of time to get things working. :)
[10:47] <djm62> Fazer: I know what you mean...wifi is seriously disruptive technology
[10:47] <Quest-Master> What can be used to play RAM files? (RealAudio files)
[10:47] <thanatosys> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000932CW2/sr=1-2/qid=1113598008/ref=sr_1_2/104-1843184-5692720?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=1045624&s=apparel&v=glance
[10:47] <kakalto> konqueror can't handle my ftp :(
[10:47] <thanatosys> thats great
[10:47] <dcraven> Raskall, cool. And congrats on the baby :)
[10:47] <djm62> Quest-Master: realplayer is pretty good on linux
[10:47] <Gandalfar> punkrockguy318: maybe a digikam-plugin can help you
[10:47] <Quest-Master> Is it in apt djm62?
[10:47] <Fazer> djm62: Heh, distruptive? I think is neat.  Just wish it would work well with LInux. =/
[10:47] <cens0red> Quest-Master totem media player, or you can get the RealPlayer for linux from Real.
[10:47] <djm62> Quest-Master: I don't think so...google realplayer helix and you can get a deb, I think
[10:48] <burgermann> lo.. do anyone know wich "file" in /dev/ refers to the USB port?
[10:48] <burgermann> ...s
[10:48] <Quest-Master> cens0red: Totem isn't working.. do I need Totem xine?
[10:48] <dcraven> Quest-Master, realplayer includes all the spyware one would want, use that.
[10:48] <dcraven> :)
[10:48] <Fazer> burgermann: /dev/sd0
[10:48] <Fazer> i think..
[10:48] <burgermann> oh
[10:48] <Raskall> dcraven: thnx.. been 6 months now, but it's still very new.
[10:48] <djm62> dcraven: the latest version is almost all open code
[10:48] <cens0red> can mplayer stream real?
[10:48] <dcraven> djm62, oh yeah? I still hate them ;)
[10:48] <punkrockguy318> what's the difference between totem-xine and totem-gstreamer (besides the ovious)
[10:49] <burgermann> Fazer, nahh.. doesn't exist :/
[10:49] <djm62> dcraven: everything apart from the codecs which any FLOSS project would also use to play them is open (and available to download separately, for free)
[10:49] <dcraven> punkrockguy318, nothing but the obvious.
[10:49] <Fazer> burgermann: Hmm, you plugged in a USB storage device?
[10:49] <Fazer> burgermann: if you did, for me, a desktop icon appears.
[10:49] <punkrockguy318> dcraven, which currently has better compatiblity?
[10:49] <Quest-Master> hmm
[10:49] <Quest-Master> Well, Totem isn't streaming RAMs
[10:49] <Fazer> Setting up totem.
[10:49] <djm62> dcraven: I know you hate them, which is fair enough, but they have left the spyware+bloat stuff behind
[10:49] <dcraven> djm62, realplayer has left a bad taste in my mouth since my WIndows days.
[10:50] <dcraven> Junk software.
[10:50] <burgermann> Fazer, ye it's my sony ericsson phone..  If you install totem-xine, it will uninstall totem-gstreamer.
[10:52] <djp> does anyone know why some software gui's and fonts used look awful? Audacity is the example i have @ present using hoary...
[10:52] <dcraven> punkrockguy318, eventually gstreamer will be the way to go.
[10:52] <djm62> djp: audacity doesn't use the gtk toolkit for most of the interface
[10:52] <mcphail> djp: depends on the toolkit the developer favours
[10:53] <LinuxJones> djp, what resolution are you running at ?
[10:53] <djp> cheers guys
[10:53] <Methias> hey everybody
[10:53] <guuba> hi
[10:53] <punkrockguy318> dcraven, maybe by breezy?
[10:53] <djp> LinuxJones: 1024x768
[10:53] <Methias> is openoffice.org 2.0 beta available thru apt-get yet?
[10:53] <dcraven> punkrockguy318, hard to say.
[10:53] <Fazer> pesti_away is still away.
[10:53] <Methias> the one with the pretty blue splash screen?
[10:53] <LinuxJones> djp, is that a laptop by chance ?
[10:53] <djm62> djp: gtk is a piece of infrastructure which makes the rest look great...but some software is almost as old as it
[10:53] <djp> LinuxJones: no, desktop
[10:54] <LinuxJones> djp, okie
[10:54] <charlesdarwin> Problem with mplayer: "mplayer movie" fails (MPlayer interrupted by signal 6 in module: vo_check_events), but "mplayer -vo x11 movie" works (I have an old ATI Rage card). However, vo=x11 is set in mplayer.conf, and I don't believe it's being overridden by a user-specific setting. Help?
[10:54] <Gnome> :s is tis normal when you have install dcgui-gt whit ap-get, and you start then dcgui-qt you get errors?:s
[10:54] <dcraven> Methias, yes.
[10:54] <mcphail> Methias: I think there's a link to a repo on the OO.o site
[10:54] <DocUb> O.o
[10:54] <crimsun> ryman|: pong?
[10:54] <ryman|> ping ?
[10:54] <Fazer> I wonder if I can watch .avi files on my laptop with 2.5 MB of ram.  I was able to do that in Windows but not very well.
[10:54] <delire> ztonzy you can however create those files and then enter the above line. 'touch .xinitrc' && echo "exec openbox" >> .xinitrc'
[10:54] <dcraven> I gotta split guys.. My wife is yelling at me.
[10:54] <guuba> anyone else got that out of sync going on with ati radeon cards?
[10:55] <dcraven> Cheers 'til later.
[10:55] <Fazer> dcraven: Awww =( later.
[10:55] <crimsun> ryman|: you called earlier?
[10:55] <guuba> when shutting down or rebooting
[10:55] <djm62> bon chance
[10:55] <dcraven> Good luck Fazer .
[10:55] <ryman|> crimsun, I was going to ask you about partition
[10:55] <ztonzy> delire, thanks
[10:55] <Fazer> dcraven: thanks dude.
[10:55] <ryman|> but someone helped me thanks
[10:55] <crimsun> ryman|: ok
[10:55] <Methias> dcraven - how do i install it?  the repositories i have inm my config file only load the version of 2.0 with the red X through the version number on the splash screen and that version BLOWS
[10:55] <djp> easytag for example now fits in with the gnome look and feel really well in hoary. Audacity is the first program that doesn't look right... still it does the job, so i'll shut up now... ;)
[10:56] <Methias> i need the moist updated version of the beta because thats what im running on my win32 partition and the old version cantread the new file forkats
[10:56] <djm62> djp: you could search for something similar in gtk2, but audacity is good at what it does
[10:56] <cens0red> arg. Another st00pid site that won't let me in because I don't have "windows media player"/
[10:56] <djp> can anyone recommend a good (but cheap) microphone to use with audacity?
[10:56] <djm62> cens0red: have you tried mplayerplug-in?
[10:56] <charlesdarwin> I'm using it
[10:56] <guuba> ooow crap. nevermind.. more beer ->
[10:56] <charlesdarwin> It fails because mplayer fails
[10:57] <charlesdarwin> gmplayer, however, works
[10:57] <cens0red> djm62 I just apt-got the mozilla-mplayer plugin. Same thing?
[10:57] <EvilIdler> djp: I bought a game that included a Logitech headset plus soundtrack :)
[10:57] <djm62> cens0red: um...I think so
[10:57] <charlesdarwin> the entire reason I need mplayer to work is so that mplayerplug-in wont fail after buffering
[10:57] <djp> djm62: sure. audacity is good. not so bothered about the look... just looking for the reason why that is and a couple of peeps have now set me straight, so to speak!
[10:57] <djm62> charlesdarwin: have you used the preferences in gmplayer to save the settings that work for you?
[10:58] <charlesdarwin> ...and I just realized that that was to cens0red, not me :|
[10:58] <Methias> mcphail - i cant find the repo on the oo.o site...  can you give me a hand with it?
[10:58] <djp> headset mic is better than a standard mic?
[10:58] <charlesdarwin> Many users, similar problems
[10:58] <Methias> once i get it installed im gravy
[10:58] <charlesdarwin> Ubuntu + multimedia = chaos
[10:58] <guuba> hey can i run wmv in totem somehow?
[10:58] <Methias> i just have a ton of writing to do
[10:58] <delire> charlesdarwin: vlc has a mozilla plugin.
[10:58] <guuba> and yes, i'm a n00b
[10:58] <Fazer> hmm, whats audacity
[10:58] <cens0red> it hates ALSA, and I can't jackd working.
[10:58] <charlesdarwin> Yes, djm62, I have
[10:59] <charlesdarwin> And they do.
[10:59] <mcphail> Methias: I might be talking out of my arse...! I thought I'd stumbled on it the other day
[10:59] <LinuxJones> guuba, it's easiest to install gxine and the w32codecs pack search the website for restricted formats
[10:59] <djm62> ayyyy
[10:59] <saik0> guuba, what backend is Totme using?
[10:59] <djp> Fazer: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
[10:59] <djm62> ardour would be great if it was all the way there
[10:59] <djm62> especially with 1.0 rosegarden
[11:00] <guuba> LinuxJones, ok, i'll try that. thanks
[11:00] <saik0> guuba, ya, that works, tho I wold recomment totem-xine over gxine
[11:01] <TwEeT> Hey
[11:01] <djm62> rosegarden 4.0x10^0 or whatever it is
[11:01] <TwEeT> does rhythmbox keep the media you added in the library after restarts?
[11:01] <Zomb> yes
[11:01] <saik0> TwEeT, yes
[11:02] <Zomb> OTOH rhythmbox sucks if you add more than 2-3k files to it
[11:02] <Zomb> err, to the list
[11:02] <dcahrakos> Well, basically, I burned the hoary iso to a cd, rebooted, set my bios to boot from cd, then I got to the screen where it says press enter to boot, I do that and it does a couple things, and gets to uncompressing linux and booting kernel or something of that nature, and then my pc, just resets..
[11:02] <LinuxJones> guuba, you can also check out www.ubuntuguide.org for more goodies :)
 what is good for ~6,000 songs
[11:02] <Zomb> TwEeT: xmms, amarok, pytone (buy rumors)
[11:03] <guupsta> so much help, so little time :)
[11:03] <saik0> dont forget BMP and muine
[11:03] <Zomb> s/buy/by/
[11:03] <TwEeT> i have muine, but haven't tried it yet
[11:03] <TwEeT> why isn't rhythmbox good for large libraries?
[11:03] <Zomb> muine is nice but slow and needs Mono, BMP?! the windows tool?
[11:03] <saik0> the advante of those is GTK2
[11:03] <delire> guupsta can't complain about *too much* support ;)
[11:04] <thoreauputic> the new bmp is a vast improvement ( 0.9.7 )
[11:04] <guupsta> delire, word :)
[11:04] <saik0> BMP = beep-media-player.  A GTK2 fork rewrite of XMMS
[11:04] <delire> Zomb: i like pytone alot
[11:04] <TwEeT> Hey, what do I need to do mount my windows share (samba share) at bootup?
[11:04] <saik0> TwEeT, http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:04] <TwEeT> it is share that isn't passworded or anything and I can't figure out what to put in my fstab
[11:04] <Zomb> saik0: aah, available in Debian?
[11:04] <john__> hello
[11:04] <delire> Zomb: though the more oggs/mp3's i have the longer it takes to build a database
[11:05] <djm62> I can recommend zinf, too...not sure how it is for huge numbers of files
[11:05] <john__> Where should I put the map-thing in meu.lst?
[11:05] <Zomb> delire: sounds like O(n^x) algorithms
[11:05] <LinuxJones> TwEeT,  check out www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:05] <saik0> Zomb, ineed. the package is beep-media-player in universe I believe
[11:05] <john__> menu.lst*
[11:05] <TwEeT> what should i put for credentials if it doesn't require anything?
[11:05] <delire> Zomb: it does a litte ;)
[11:06] <Absenth> happy Friday North America.  :)
[11:06] <TwEeT> see, it stumped you guys too
[11:07] <saik0> TwEeT, heh then you dont need one. but I would recommend it unless the otherbox is blocking all other IPs exept yours on the SMB port
[11:07] <Absenth> I don't suppose anyone has a link for Ubuntu as an IDS?  or anything rughly related to setting up Ubuntu as an IDS
[11:07] <saik0> well, i'd porbably still recommend it then
[11:08] <john__> hello?
[11:08] <john__> I asked a question!
[11:08] <delire> john__ i have no idea what you are doing. can you state your problem/question again?
[11:08] <LinuxJones> Absenth, what is ids ??
 i think i read somewhere that you should put guest as a username, but what should I put as password?
[11:08] <gijosh> Hey.  I installed the freeciv package with apt-get, but I can't figure out where it installed it to.  How do I find that out?
[11:08] <TwEeT> nothing?
[11:08] <Absenth> LinuxJones, Intrusion Detection System (ie configuring it for Snort/Acid)
[11:09] <john__> Scroll up... Heh... I can't get the grub to boot windows.
[11:09] <Fazer> horray!
[11:09] <Fazer> ubuntu is installed!
[11:09] <delire> gijosh: whereis freeciv
[11:09] <dcahrakos> hey, can anyone help me with this?
[11:09] <delire> Fazer: grand ;)
[11:09] <gijosh> delire:  Thanks
[11:09] <dcahrakos> I burned the hoary iso to a cd, rebooted, set my bios to boot from cd, then I got to the screen where it says press enter to boot, I do that and it does a couple things, and gets to uncompressing linux and booting kernel or something of that nature, and then my pc, just resets..
[11:09] <DocUb> Gratz Fazer :)
[11:09] <Fazer> still feels like a livecd!
[11:09] <Jason> Evening all
[11:09] <john__> Someone told me to put the map-command into the menu.lst. Bit where?
[11:09] <DocUb> ;)
[11:09] <DocUb> but better
[11:09] <saik0> john__ http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:09] <Fazer> i guess :P
[11:10] <kakalto> what is a qt-based ftp manager?
[11:10] <nickrud> gijosh: dpkg -L | grep bin
[11:10] <john__> I know. I looked there. I didn't find it...
[11:10] <gijosh> I typed whereis freeciv.    I got the output "Freeciv:   "  That doesn't tell me much. o.o
[11:10] <Fazer> man, i hate it how when i scroll, the thing flickers.
[11:10] <delire> gijosh: on all linux systems the executables are *usually* installed in either /usr/bin (via a package manager) or /usr/local/bin (compiled and installed by you) with /bin being the base installation's binaries
[11:10] <crawford> kakalto: konqueror has nice ftp capabilities
[11:10] <gijosh> Yea, I looked in /usr/bin
[11:10] <kakalto> crawford, konqueror isn't working for my ftp
[11:10] <holycow> dcahrakos, are you able to boot into a knoppix live cd? if so you may wish to try reburning or redownloading the ubuntu iso
[11:10] <nickrud> gijosh: dpkg -L freciv | grep bin    (duh)
[11:11] <gijosh> nickrud:  Thanks.
[11:11] <delire> gijosh: however as all of these are 'within your path' (see /etc/profile) it means you can simply type in the terminal to start the application or find it in your DE's menu
[11:11] <dcahrakos> holycow, well, it works fine booting up in VMware, which is what I did to see if it was the iso, but that works
[11:12] <kakalto> what is a qt-based ftp manager (not konqueror) ?
[11:12] <LinuxJones> Absenth, sorry was afk there is aide but I wouldn't run it if your going to run the testing branch (too many file changes)
[11:12] <delire> Fazer: what flickers?
[11:12] <guupsta> i'm off now, gotta do some _asm now ->
[11:12] <holycow> ah okay ... weird, not really sure beyond that i'm sorry, too many things could really be the cause of that
[11:12] <Fazer> delire: Like, the screen flickers when i move a window or scroll in firefox.
[11:12] <dcahrakos> damn
[11:12] <delire> Fazer: eek, your refresh rate is too low?
[11:13] <Fazer> delire: no, its on a laptop with 60Hz as the refresh rate.
[11:13] <Fazer> like, its not smooth
[11:13] <Fazer> maybe I should try xfce or something?
[11:13] <delire> Fazer: i don't recall ever seeing that. how old is that machine?
[11:13] <MarkSyms_> Fazer: or have you got xcompmgr running?
[11:13] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:13] <dcahrakos> if I have to, ill just install it in vmware, and use it from there, its rather fast and is still good to use
[11:13] <mcphail> Fazer: I think your machine spec is struggling
[11:13] <Absenth> LinuxJones, Aide is great for auditing the security of the linux computer itself.  What I'm shooting for is an IDS on the internet connection.    Found it in /usr/games.  woohoo
[11:13] <Fazer> delire: its a thinkpad 600e, 366 Mhz with 160 MB ram.
[11:13] <Fazer> hmm i figured =/
[11:13] <pestilence> Fazer: try fluxbox.
[11:14] <Zomb> saik0: great, it is like xmms and supports UTF-8! I just miss the quick jump function.
[11:14] <pestilence> Fazer: i use it on my 1.7Ghz pentium IV laptop
[11:14] <Fazer> pestilence: welcome back ;)
[11:14] <pestilence> Fazer: thx
[11:14] <Fazer> urgh phone
[11:14] <djm62> Fazer: and you can look for lightweight programs
[11:14] <delire> hehe silly M$ is proclaiming a brand new innovative feature in Longhorn.. icons show a tiny preview of the image or textfile. haven't we heard that before..
[11:14] <Fazer> back
[11:14] <holycow> dcahrakos, i installed ubuntu in vmware, but i cannot get ubuntu to resize to anything by my 'host' resolution.  all other resolutions and refresh rates for the vmwared ubuntu result in weird fuzzy unreadable screens
[11:14] <holycow> odd
[11:14] <Fazer> okay..
[11:14] <djm62> delire: if we had, it would constitute prior art ;)
[11:14] <Fazer> pestilence: how do I get fluxbox then?
[11:15] <delire> Fazer: or http://icculus.org/openbox/2/
[11:15] <delire> djm62: if only ;)
[11:15] <holycow> delire, they have 52 billion in cash, the best they could come up with so far is xp, i have no real fear of longhorn
[11:15] <Fazer> damn it, which is the best and most lightweight Window manger?
[11:15] <delire> precis ;)
[11:15] <dcahrakos> it all worked fine with warty for me, ill install hoary now, but with warty, almost everything was fine, except a couple slow downs
[11:15] <nickrud> kakalto: I've heard of kbear
[11:15] <Absenth> icewm is pretty light, and CAN look pretty cool.
[11:15] <djm62> Fazer: fluxbox is pretty comfortable and fast
[11:15] <holycow> okay, gnomebaker seems to work pretty darn well, and easy enough for gramma to use
[11:15] <kakalto> nickrud, thanks
[11:15] <delire> Fazer: openbox can run concurrently with gnome or KDE. it is very light, everything is rendered in C++ and it has about a 2mb footprint
[11:16] <delire> ztonzy: how's openbox looking?
[11:16] <confrey> I'va installed hoary on my laptop, but I can't suspend to ram; what can I do?
[11:16] <djm62> holycow: now that you've tested it, I'm willing to use it ;)
[11:16] <Fazer> damn
[11:16] <Fazer> okay
[11:16] <Fazer> lets have a vote
[11:16] <pestilence> Fazer: apt-get install fluxbox
[11:16] <ztonzy> delire, as I said...clean and slick
[11:16] <Fazer> fluxbox or openbox?
[11:16] <Fazer> heh fine.
[11:16] <Fazer> fluxbox wins! :P
[11:16] <Fazer> delire: I will try that later on :P
[11:16] <delire> confrey: this is not uncommon. one of the only things we linux laptop users usually miss
[11:16] <djm62> Fazer: both! try them- it's free
[11:16] <TwEeT> Ahh, I can't get my drive mounted correctly
[11:16] <ztonzy> delire, but I would like to able to change modifier key
[11:16] <john__> quit
[11:17] <Absenth> fazer if it's still slow,  Blackbox is REALLY light and fast, but it's well....  minimal, at best.
[11:17] <linuxn00b> hey guys quick Q, what port does the vnc use??
[11:17] <ztonzy> delire, also...windows opens faster now
[11:17] <holycow> djm62, it's pretty darned good infact :)
[11:17] <djm62> apt-get install fluxbox blackbox waimea icewm ratpoison pwm
[11:17] <Fazer> Absenth: Ah yeah, how about xfce?
[11:17] <delire> Fazer: well i really liked it. these days i use a 'DE' called wmii http://wmi.modprobe.de but only because i work in the terminal most of the time.
[11:17] <pestilence> linuxn00b: 5901 for desktop 1
[11:17] <mjc> make-kpackge broke in breezy, woo
[11:17] <pestilence> linuxn00b: 5902 for :2
[11:17] <pestilence> etc
[11:17] <Fazer> pestilence: i get "E: Coudln't find package fluxbox
[11:17] <Fazer> i typed
[11:17] <delire> hmm waimea is also very nice. takes advantage of X.org
[11:17] <Absenth> Fazer XFCE is a lot more featureful then blackbox.
[11:17] <Fazer> "sudo apt-tget install flubox"
[11:18] <linuxn00b> ok, which do I have to forewad both on my router?
[11:18] <pestilence> Fazer: you will probably have to add the universe repositories"
[11:18] <saik0> Fazer, i've heard great results with the specs you mentioned
[11:18] <djm62> delire: last time I used it, X.org didn't exist ;)
[11:18] <sagara> hey guys can anybody help me find the cause of this error:  /bin/sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
[11:18] <sagara> /bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
[11:18] <Fazer> saik0: Ah, which window manager? I have 2.5 MB Vram.
[11:18] <Fazer> pestilence: Okay, how shall I do that then?
[11:18] <pestilence> delire: actually, i have run gnome on a 300 mhz celeron and it works fine
[11:18] <saik0> Fazer, with xfwm
[11:18] <pestilence> delire: but, more memory
[11:18] <LinuxJones> Absenth, sorry dude I am running around the house :P ..... you can install a few things to help keep an eye on your system. Aide, Firestarter (firewall gui which is a bit like zone alarm),Portmap, chkrootkit (searches for installe rootkits)
[11:19] <delire> http://www.waimea.org/wiki/Software_2fwaimea
[11:19] <OJW> uhh, quick question: "MP3 support in rhythmbox (or generally) - howto?"
[11:19] <delire> <---
[11:19] <djm62> yeah, the old speed/space playoff
[11:19] <holycow> pestilence, infact i'm running ubuntu on a p300 right now, and installing win2k on vmware, it's not bad at all
[11:19] <delire> Fazer: see that url. you too ztonzy
[11:19] <LinuxJones> Absenth, are you running many different services on your network ?
[11:19] <pestilence> holycow: i'm using qemu, you should give it a shot :)
[11:19] <pestilence> holycow: it's *free*
[11:19] <Fazer> actually hold, let me get on xchat then.
[11:20] <djm62> after the window manager, what lightweight file-manager? ROX?
[11:20] <nickrud> OJW: sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.8-mad  if I recall correctly
[11:20] <thoreauputic> rox, erm, rocks!
[11:20] <sagara> T.T can anybody help? n00b issue really
[11:20] <fazer> yeap
[11:20] <fazer> can you pass that link again please?
[11:20] <delire> pestilence: gnome is too heavy for my needs. i am a 3D graphics programmer and so need less than .05% of my system memory and CPU consumed by X for the majority of the time.
[11:20] <Absenth> LinuxJones, this is for work....  We have I believe 30 World avalible IP addresses all funneled through a PIX 515,  The goal of the IDS is to watch all the traffic that's on the outside of the pix.  It's not because I want to guard the linux box persay (although having the outside interface deny all is a pretty good idea)
[11:21] <mcdonaldswes> is baz scm in wide use?
[11:21] <djm62> gaim is worth the footprint IMO, but maybe epiphany rather than firefox?
[11:21] <_phate_> i have a partition mounted on /share, how do I make a link to it on my desktop
[11:21] <pestilence> delire: i'm with ya.  i am using fluxbox
[11:21] <delire> pestilence: OSX is even worse.. poor performance in 3D graphics applications compared to even a heavy gnome install due to the card being hogged for Fast2D Blitting.
[11:21] <delire> pestilence: ahh ;)
[11:21] <dylaw> I am looking for all in one player that will play different if not all types of video files, any recommendation?
[11:21] <Kabuto> help me please :(
[11:21] <fazer> actually, let me reboot and see how fast it really bots up.
[11:21] <fazer> brb
[11:21] <OJW> thx, nickrud, will try.  think I might need a non-cd package source too
[11:22] <Kabuto> I lost my sound all of a sudden
[11:22] <mcdonaldswes> dylaw: I like vlc
[11:22] <thoreauputic> djm62: if you want a blazingly fast light browser, get dillo (it's a bit limited though)
[11:22] <djm62> _phate_: cd ~/Desktop&&ln -s /share
[11:22] <Absenth> dylaw, mplayer
[11:22] <pestilence> dylaw: http://ubuntuguide.og
[11:22] <pestilence> dylaw: http://ubuntuguide.org
[11:22] <nickrud> OJM: yeah, you must get it from univers
[11:22] <fazer> wait, how do you ... uh...reboot?
[11:22] <fazer> using the mouse that is  =/
[11:22] <djm62> thoreauputic: that's why I though epiphany...I use dillo on my damn _ipaq_
[11:22] <mainer> try lynx(text-only) but wicked fast
[11:22] <_phate_> djm62: thanks!
[11:22] <Kabuto> guys
[11:22] <delire> fazer: there's a button in gnome..
[11:22] <Kabuto> help me please
[11:22] <Kabuto> I lost my sound all of a sudden
[11:22] <thoreauputic> djm62: there's also links-graphical
[11:23] <holycow> Kabuto, just reformat your windows partition
[11:23] <holycow> thats a guranteed way to redemtion
[11:23] <fazer> delire, log out?
[11:23] <thoreauputic> djm62: but you might have to compile that
[11:23] <OJW> so if I only have "main" selected, I need to tick more boxes?
[11:23] <nickrud> 466 celeron w/ 256K here, I run epiphany to keep the swap low, it's snappy and uh, *just works*
[11:23] <delire> mainer: hehe if you want to see images in your terminal 'sudo apt-get install w3m-img && w3m http://google.com'
[11:23] <djm62> thoreauputic: not a problem for me, but for the first time, I have plentiful hardware :-D
[11:23] <Kabuto> holycow, but I recently lost it
[11:23] <LinuxJones> Absenth, there are dedicated distros that might be a better choice than Ubuntu.
[11:23] <john__> It did not work... I tried something with X_sequence
[11:23] <dylaw> mcdonaldswes: I tried installing vlc, but I couldnt install some of the dependencies due to security reasons ? :~
[11:24] <ztonzy> delire, installed and runs
[11:24] <delire> ztonzy: great!
[11:24] <delire> ztonzy: is it alot faster?
[11:24] <crimsun> dylaw: you have to enable universe for vlc.
[11:24] <mainer> delire:amaya?
[11:24] <Raskall> I chickened out and ctrl-c-ed the breezy upgrade. I like to have a working system when I'm applying for jobs. :)
[11:24] <Absenth> LinuxJones, I kinda figured.  Looking into some of those now.
[11:24] <delire> mainer: i don't know what that is..
[11:24] <mjc> djm62, go to 512MB or better and you'll be really happy
[11:24] <TwEeT> Does anyone know how to mount a windows share that has no password protection?
[11:24] <ztonzy> delire, dunoo yet...but now the mouse+modifier key is better ;)
[11:25] <dylaw> crimsun: ok, thanks, will give it another go
[11:25] <delire> ztonzy: hit ALT-mousewheel in a window and drag
[11:25] <Raskall> djm62: must be like going to heaven. But It's not a long way to Nirvana. :)
[11:25] <LinuxJones> Absenth, >> http://www.smoothwall.org/
[11:25] <Kabuto> noone to help me?
[11:25] <djm62> especially when _everything_ on the laptop works out of the box
[11:25] <mainer> i hate to say it,but netscape(aol) v7.2 for linuxi686 is fast also,less mem than mozilla/ff,but still a fair amt.
[11:25] <LinuxJones> Absenth, Suse and Mandrake both offer similar products
[11:25] <delire> Kabuto what were you doing when you suddenly had no sound?
[11:26] <john__> Noone to help me either...
[11:26] <sagara> I HAVE no sound either
[11:26] <ztonzy> delire, that's Zbuffer ordere
[11:26] <thoreauputic> mainer: really? Netscape 7.2 is just Firefox in drag, as far as I know...
[11:26] <djm62> and then you rip some techy podcasts onto SD and listen to them on your linux-running ipaq handheld....THEN it's nerdvana ;)
[11:26] <delire> the first time i saw images in the terminal i nearly fell out of the chair.
[11:26] <Kabuto> delire, I created a symlink. then I got no sound, first I deleted the link, and the file link pointed to, but still no sound
[11:26] <Raskall> Kabuto: My hoary server just muted the sound all of a sudden. My mp3 jukebox stopped working. I had to use aumix to turn on the sound again.
[11:27] <crimsun> Kabuto: / sagara: please paste lsmod, lspci -v, amixer, and cat /proc/asound/cards output onto pastebin if you're still having sound problems
[11:27] <saik0> thoreauputic, shoot. I thouth it was mozilla in drag
[11:27] <mjc> delire, images in the terminal? eh?
[11:27] <delire> ztonzy: hmm well i can't remember what the resize button is. use a text editor to view .config/openbox/rc.xml or similar all the bindings are in there
[11:28] <delire> ztonzy: also install obconf the openbox configurator
[11:28] <fazer> hmmm
[11:28] <ztonzy> delire, aah, it is RMB
[11:28] <fazer> okay
[11:28] <delire> mjc: yep, tis a lovely thing to behold
[11:28] <fazer> so, how shall I get fluxbox installed?
[11:28] <crimsun> mjc: stuff like aalib
[11:28] <Raskall> Kabuto: also check your audio device permissions and if your user is a member of the audio user group.
[11:28] <delire> Kabuto: what was the symlink to?
[11:28] <delire> ztonzy: hard for me to remember the shortcuts ..
[11:28] <john__> It did not work... I tried something with X_sequence to fix the Windows-boot problem.
[11:29] <chazwurth> mainer: they release Netscape for Linux?
[11:29] <fazer> delire, how sohuld I get my fluxbox working?
[11:29] <delire> fazer: http://www.waimea.org/wiki/Software_2fwaimea
[11:29] <ztonzy> delire, but this wasnt for waimeia ?
[11:29] <fazer> delire, thanks
[11:29] <ztonzy> waimea*
[11:29] <Kabuto> delire, /etc/init.d/boot.local
[11:29] <nickrud> john__ what windows boot problem? (missed previous posts)
[11:29] <delire> fazer see that page first, and also consider openbox for gnome interoperability
[11:29] <TwEeT> Here's the deal, if i mount it like so: "mount -t smbfs //family/MySharedFolder /mnt/music" it works perfectly, is there a way that I can have that run automatically at boot as an alternative to messing with the fstab?
[11:29] <delire> Kabuto: why were you playing around with that?
[11:29] <john__> the grub fails to boot windows XP.
[11:30] <fazer> delire, okay, i think since i am new, i will try fluxbox first
[11:30] <delire> Kabuto ls -l /etc/init.d/boot.local
[11:30] <abarbaccia> hey, anybody here use amarok with ubuntu? i'm having trouble setting it up
[11:30] <nickrud> john__ wait one ...
[11:30] <delire> Kabuto: flxubox will be harder for you as you'll have no gnome panel or menu.
[11:30] <john__> nickrud: sec?
[11:30] <delire> Kabuto: sorry wrong person.
[11:30] <delire> fazer: flxubox will be harder for you as you'll have no gnome panel or menu.
[11:30] <ztonzy> delire, is there also a for waimaea as for openbox ?
[11:30] <ztonzy> this obconf ?
[11:30] <delire> fazer: but sure give it a go. openbox is faster and lighter in my experience
[11:31] <delire> ztonzy: it's for openbox
[11:31] <fazer> delire: alright, openbox it is
[11:31] <TwEeT> Anyone?
[11:31] <john__> What anyone?
[11:31] <delire> fazer: try both..
[11:31] <ztonzy> delire, but now I use waimea
[11:31] <Kabuto> crimsun, http://www.pastebin.com/271789
[11:31] <delire> ztonzy: hehe ok..
[11:31] <delire> ztonzy: no i don't think so..
[11:31] <fazer> delire, so, how do install openbox, that link isn't for openbox though
[11:31] <djm62> fazer: you really can afford to go crazy and try them all, and choose the one you prefer
[11:31] <tbird> how do i completly remove gnome
[11:31] <ztonzy> delire, but I can switch back
[11:31] <EddieX> Anyone who has made a package for the latest blackbox? :)
[11:31] <chazwurth> delire: since you seem to like openbox, I've got a question for ya: assuming I'm loggin in with gdm, how do I make sure xscreensaver starts when I log in to an openbox session?
[11:32] <delire> fazer: apt-get install openbox
[11:32] <djm62> fazer: give them at least an hour for a fair trial
[11:32] <nickrud> john__: /join #pastebin, I've put a grub stanza there.
[11:32] <delire> chazwurth hmm, haven't used xscreensaver in years
[11:32] <chazwurth> delire: what do you use to lock the screen?
[11:32] <delire> ztonzy: use whatever you like.
[11:32] <john__> nickrud: Thanks!
[11:32] <fazer> delire, djm62 thanks.
[11:32] <sagara> can anybody explain this: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
[11:32] <chazwurth> delire: I'd be fine with an alternative
[11:32] <TwEeT> I asked a simple question that I know someone is capable of answering, ill wait, its ok
[11:32] <delire> chazwurth: i use xtrlock
[11:33] <Kabuto> delire, I deleted it after I began having problems. after all, I made that file
[11:33] <chazwurth> delire: I'll look into it, thanks much; I've been playing around with openbox some this past month, and that's really been annoying me
[11:33] <mcphail> sagara: in what context?
[11:33] <nickrud> TwEeT: sound? simple?
[11:33] <pestilence> djm62: it takes more than an hour :)
[11:33] <fazer> delire, E: Invalid operation intall
[11:33] <fazer>  is what i get when i run "sudo apt-get install openbox""
[11:33] <TwEeT> Ill repeat myself
[11:33] <TwEeT> Here's the deal, if i mount it like so: "mount -t smbfs //family/MySharedFolder /mnt/music" it works perfectly, is there a way that I can have that run automatically at boot as an alternative to messing with the fstab?
[11:33] <chazwurth> delire: especially since I like everything else about openbox
[11:33] <djm62> TwEeT: I just scrolled up....why not do it from gnome for each user?
[11:34] <TwEeT> I only have one user
[11:34] <djm62> as a "network place" with an icon and everything?
[11:34] <TwEeT> And I don't want to have to mount it EVERY boot up
[11:34] <fazer> pestilence, eh? what takes more than an hour?
[11:34] <crimsun> fazer: I think it helps to spell correctly :p
[11:34] <fazer> crimsun, Eh? What did I misspell?
[11:34] <pestilence> fazer: to properly assess whether you like the windows manager or not
[11:34] <mcphail> sagara: no pm please. I'd suggest addin a ' to the end of the file
[11:34] <fazer> pestilence, Oh =(
[11:34] <crimsun> fazer: E: Invalid operation intall   <--
[11:34] <saik0> anybody out there know of a goodGTK2 jukebox app?
[11:34] <delire> Kabuto it looks to me like you're also running the oss driver alongside the alsa snd-* drivers.. 'via82cxxx              13084  1 '
[11:35] <TwEeT> So its not possible?
[11:35] <sagara> mcphail: just a ' ?
[11:35] <fazer> crimsun, so, 'openbox' isn't spelled right?
[11:35] <delire> Kabuto: do you need that via controller?
[11:35] <delire> Kabuto: oh.. wait.. i got messed up.
[11:35] <djm62> TwEeT: you are free to change fstab, also gnome handles networked filesystems, including smb, well
[11:35] <mcphail> sagara: it's impossible to tell, but it sounds like your cut and paste has missed this out
[11:36] <fazer> damn, still, "Couldn't find package openbox
 is there an option in the GUI so I can mount it every bootup
[11:36] <fazer> okay, so, how do...uhm.. update my stuff?
[11:36] <TwEeT> if I could find out how to do it in the fstab, i would...
[11:36] <crimsun> fazer: openbox is in universe
[11:36] <TwEeT> But i seem to be having a problem with username and passwords
[11:36] <djm62> TwEeT: go to places->network servers and drag the icon onto your desktop?
[11:36] <TwEeT> and the way i stated above is the only successful way so far
[11:36] <crimsun> fazer: (from your first error message, you misspelled "install")
[11:36] <fazer> crimsun, so, what am I doing wrong?
[11:36] <nickrud> TwEeT: you could create a script rc.local in /etc/init.d, have the script mount it, and ln -s /etc/init.d/rc.local /etc/rc2.d/rc.local
[11:36] <fazer> crimsun, yeah, I Just realized that =(
[11:36] <delire> fazer "intall"? what's that
[11:36] <fazer> crimsun, i am a terrible typer when I am all excited.
[11:37] <djm62> nickrud:ah yeah
[11:37] <delire> hehe
[11:37] <fazer> delire, haha yeah, sorry.
[11:37] <crimsun> fazer: what does ,,apt-cache policy openbox'' return?
 that seems easy, ill do that
[11:37] <thoreauputic> delire: heh - w3m with images *is* rather, um, surprising - just tried it :)
[11:37] <fazer> crimsun, W: Unable to locate package openbox
[11:37] <jbmigel> hey does apt-get have some search switch so i can search packs from cammand line?
[11:37] <delire> Kabuto: all your asound stuff looks right. i would look at using alsaconf to check over things.
[11:37] <crimsun> fazer: so you need to enable the universe repository first, then update, then install openbox
[11:37] <TwEeT> btw, I love ubuntu
[11:37] <delire> thoreauputic: hehe great isn't it ;)
[11:37] <fazer> crimsun, oh, hmmm
[11:38] <crimsun> (there is no alsaconf in Ubuntu)
[11:38] <djm62> fazer: soon you will get jaded about gigabytes of software being automatically installed for free at your fingertips ;)
[11:38] <nickrud> jbmigel: apt-cache search should give you what you're looking fore
[11:38] <thoreauputic> jbmigel: apt-cache search <keyword>
[11:38] <fazer> djm62, I like thesound of that =)
[11:38] <guupsta> dude, where's my apt-get
[11:38] <crimsun> Kabuto: ok, looking
[11:38] <jbmigel> sweet thanks guys
[11:38] <fazer> djm62, but I think I should learn how to configure my wifi and then my sound, THEN i can play! =)
[11:38] <airhead> if I leave my hoary laptop for a cpl hours, will ubuntu try and put it into hibernate mode?
[11:38] <delire> crimsun: is there a modconf tool that might assist him setting up his card? i use debian so am in a bad position to inform.
[11:38] <crimsun> delire: I'm looking at his pastebin, sec
[11:38] <fazer> crimsun, will this command do it? (I am not in france, I had this url saved some place) deb http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[11:38] <fazer> hoary universe multiverse
 do i have to chmod +x the script?
[11:38] <sagara> mcphail: why is geedit bitching about an EOF on line 0, i mean i gedit u always start from line 1
[11:39] <sagara> *in gedit
[11:39] <thoreauputic> delire: I just can't uite work out how to get a google search happening... I need to RTFM I guess :0
[11:39] <crimsun> fazer: sure.
[11:39] <nickrud> TwEeT: but of course :)
[11:39] <crimsun> fazer: you could use Synaptic, too
[11:39] <TwEeT> but of course?
[11:39] <fazer> crimsun, oh oky.
[11:39] <TwEeT> do you mean "of course"
[11:39] <delire> TwEeT: if you want to execute as '>~script' yes
[11:39] <Kabuto> crimsun, okay
[11:40] <djm62> fazer: menu System->administration->Synaptic
[11:40] <airhead> does ubuntu try to use hibernate mode after a couple of hours?
[11:40] <delire> TwEeT: otherwise '>~./script' is fine or even 'sh script'
[11:40] <airhead> if the machine is unused
[11:40] <nickrud> TwEeT: californism, yes, +x :)
[11:40] <tbird> can you uninstall with Synaptic ?
 is there a way i can see if it works with out fully rebooting
[11:40] <DocUb> good question airhead
[11:40] <djm62> airhead: I'm not sure...it tells me the battery is low
[11:40] <fazer> djm62, already there, ...
[11:40] <airhead> cause my laptop keeps cutting out during the night
[11:40] <nickrud> sudo /etc/init.d/rc.local
[11:40] <airhead> battery is at 100%
[11:40] <airhead> ac plugged in
[11:41] <TwEeT> Saweet
[11:41] <fazer> djm62, so, i see a few software sources..
[11:41] <_phate_> airhead: I don't think hibernate works, the one time I did it it scewed up my hole install
[11:41] <airhead> was working fine before ubuntu
[11:41] <TwEeT> im going to try rebooting
[11:41] <TwEeT> thanks a lot nick
[11:41] <djm62> _phate_: that's to do with your machine&&ubuntu
[11:41] <airhead> if I try hibernate mode from the log out screen in gnome, I just get a screensaver
[11:41] <delire> airhead what acpi bios are you using? which laptop?
[11:41] <airhead> so perhaps thats not the problem
[11:41] <airhead> dell 5150
[11:42] <delire> airhead ok.. similar problems here with the AsusM6N
[11:42] <djm62> hibernate and suspend to ram works fine here on this hp...OOTB
[11:42] <delire> airhead: though mostly resolved.
[11:42] <airhead> delire: hmm.. interesting. what problems were you having?
[11:42] <fazer> djm62, so, how do i uhm. update them so I can install openbox?
[11:42] <delire> djm62: perhaps why the HP laptops are selling well with SuSE onboard.
[11:43] <ztonzy> delire, is there any menutool for openbox ?
[11:43] <fitheach> hi
[11:43] <djm62> delire: it isn't one of those ones...cheapest one I could find, just happens to work
[11:43] <delire> airhead: /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state was being misreported. i needed to patch acpi support in the kernel to fix it.
[11:43] <delire> djm62: very happy with my M6N in all other respects.
[11:43] <airhead> delire: I see. was your machine randomly powering off too?
[11:44] <delire> airhead: hehe no..
[11:44] <airhead> delire: I also did have a problem the other day where state said there was no battery present O_o
[11:44] <airhead> can't replicate that though
[11:44] <crimsun> Kabuto: do you have a /proc/asound/.../codec97#0/ac97#0-0 ?
[11:44] <delire> airhead: if i were you i'd grep the debian-laptop-list for clues. nearly every issue ever encountered is therein
[11:44] <airhead> delire: cheers
[11:44] <Kabuto> let me see
[11:45] <mikeco> should i be using gcc 3.3 or 3.4?
[11:45] <crimsun> mikeco: for Hoary, the former
[11:45] <scott> hey guys, this is a bit off-topic, but anyone know of an especially stellar-looking resume template?
[11:45] <mikeco> ok
[11:45] <delire> scott: hmmm an odd question.
[11:45] <fazer> crimsun, so, I am not sure how to update my respository through Synaptic?
[11:45] <Kabuto> crimsun, cat /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/ac97#0-0
[11:46] <djm62> scott: not really...for openoffice?
[11:46] <crimsun> fazer: Settings>Repositories>Add
[11:46] <mikeco> is there a quick way to grab most things needed for dev on ubuntu?
[11:46] <crimsun> mikeco: build-essential is the base
[11:46] <Kabuto> crimsun, shall I paste it on pastebin
[11:46] <mikeco> thanks again
[11:46] <crimsun> Kabuto: yes, please.
[11:46] <scott> djm62: yeah, or if there's a great one for something else I'd be interested
[11:46] <marska> mldonkey doesn't work. I need filesharing.. Or I switch back to Windows.
[11:47] <scott> I'm a bit surprised OOo doesn't come with any
[11:47] <delire> marska xmule, amule don't suit you?
[11:47] <fazer> crimsun, ah okay, thanks.  So I guess this is going to take a while.
[11:47] <djm62> scott: it's one of the trade-offs of releasing the code...no clip art/templates
[11:47] <tombs> marska, what??
[11:47] <Kabuto> crimsun, http://www.pastebin.com/271793
[11:47] <crimsun> fazer: on dial-up?
[11:47] <marska> Delire: I need access to Gnutella. I can't seem to get anything to work.
[11:48] <djm62> scott: openclipart.org might have pointers
[11:48] <marska> Tombs: Can't get p2p apps to work in Ubuntu
[11:48] <crimsun> Kabuto: does _any_ sound work?
[11:48] <delire> marska: gtkgnutella ?
[11:48] <fazer> crimsun, no, cable, i am capped to 33 KB/sec though
[11:48] <FeJaOr> What's the difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu??
[11:48] <marska> Delire: Yes.. That and mldonkey don't wish to work.
[11:48] <crimsun> fazer: ah, that's not too bad at all.
[11:48] <delire> marska: well then your blocking the ports somewhere i would say.
[11:48] <airhead> FeJaOr: kubuntu comes with kde, ubuntu comes with gnome
[11:48] <crimsun> FeJaOr: Kubuntu is a community project based on Ubuntu. It comes with KDE as its default desktop.
[11:48] <fazer> crimsun, yeah, its good, when I get an Ibook, i will porbably upgrade it =/
[11:48] <ryanblack> hey hi hello
[11:48] <fazer> ryanblack, forgot bonjour
[11:48] <Kabuto> crimsun, only the pc speaker
[11:48] <marska> Delire: Ah.. That can't be helped. But I do have a proxy up and running.
[11:48] <FeJaOr> and which one is better then??
[11:49] <tombs> marska, but thats not a reason to switch "back" to that OS
[11:49] <airhead> FeJaOr: ubuntu of course ;)
[11:49] <crimsun> FeJaOr: purely your preference
[11:49] <FeJaOr> how do you uninstall programs in Ubuntu??
[11:49] <marska> tombs: Me needs.. Lewd content.
[11:49] <ryanblack> ;-) I have used OS X - Win XP and SuSE linux, OS X being my main os on a powerbook... and it's refreshing to see ubuntu...
[11:49] <crimsun> Kabuto: have you tried killing any sound programs and using aplay -Dplughw:0,0 foo.wav to test?
[11:49] <djm62> scott: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=resume+cv+openoffice+template&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:unofficial
[11:49] <Kabuto> FeJaOr, apt-get remove program
[11:49] <nickrud> marska: the mldonkey in debian is currently broken.
[11:49] <marska> Nickrud: Oh..
[11:49] <FeJaOr> thanks
[11:50] <Kabuto> crimsun, nope
[11:50] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: might be an idea to install the OS before you start asking how to uninstall ;)
[11:50] <Kabuto> np
[11:50] <delire> ryanblack : pleased to hear..
[11:50] <mikeco> uh oh, is there no xcomposite xfixes xdamage or xrender?
[11:50] <crimsun> mikeco: for what?
[11:50] <FeJaOr> I already have the OS, but I using windows right now :P
[11:50] <marska> Alright.. I download GTK-Gnutella, how do I start it?
[11:51] <crimsun> marska: Applications>Internet>Gtk-Gnutella
[11:51] <mikeco> crimsun, i like xcomposite for flicker free desktop
[11:51] <fazer> delire, okay, i gues its installing openbox now.
[11:51] <mikeco> otherwise i get a headache
[11:51] <Kabuto> crimsun, what do you recomment
[11:51] <ryanblack> delire - I think I am going to use ubuntu now...
[11:51] <delire> mikeco that's all in x.org
[11:51] <abarbaccia> hey, anybody here use kubuntu instead of ubuntu and can tell me about it
[11:51] <Kabuto> recommend*
[11:51] <mjr> mikeco, that is one very nice thing about it
[11:51] <crimsun> mikeco: you have to explicitly configure xorg.conf to use the extension
[11:51] <ryanblack> one quick noobie question... can I easily dual boot and will it read ntfs...
[11:51] <marska> Crimsun: Its not there
[11:51] <delire> ryanblack: a wise choice. it's a solid little distro
[11:51] <mikeco> yeah in extensions
[11:51] <crimsun> abarbaccia: I'm on a Kubuntu live cd
[11:51] <marska> Crimsun: Just a "download manager"
[11:51] <mjr> and yea, composite is not on by default, since it's not considered production quality
[11:51] <JwC> Hi all.
[11:52] <_chavo> abarbaccia, I use kubuntu. What do you want to know?
[11:52] <crimsun> abarbaccia: for more questions, please try #kubuntu
[11:52] <mikeco> but apt-get said no package xcomposite
[11:52] <malarcky> ola
[11:52] <mikeco> and the pkgconfig file not found either
[11:52] <_chavo> It's ubuntu with KDE instead of gnome.
[11:52] <malarcky> alguien espaol ke me ayude con enemy territory?
[11:52] <marska> Crimsun: If the package dos not install to that directory, is something amiss?
[11:52] <crimsun> mikeco: it's already installed. You only need to enable the extension in xorg.conf
[11:52] <Kabuto> mikeco, to remove?
[11:52] <mikeco> unless it's in /usr/local/lib instead of /usr/lib
[11:52] <mjr> mikeco, why should there be a package named so?
[11:52] <delire> mikeco it's all in x.org see xorg.conf
[11:52] <crimsun> mikeco: are you trying to compile something that uses those extensions?
[11:53] <mikeco> crimsun i thought it was, maybe something is off with xcompmgr
[11:53] <mikeco> i have it in my xorg.conf
[11:53] <ryanblack> I can help you in english... I can understand spanish but my grammar isn't great writing / speaking
[11:53] <djm62> malarcky: goto #ubuntu-es for spanish speakers :)
[11:53] <JwC> I just upgraded from Warty to Hoary and suddenly, under X, my keyboard doesn't work anymore.  Mouse events work just fine and the keyboard works when I bring the system up as single user, but I can't type when the X server is running.  Does anyone have any ideas about this?
[11:53] <ryanblack> aye there's a room
[11:53] <ryanblack> ;-)
[11:53] <delire> fazer did you manage to install it?
[11:53] <mikeco> crimsun, yes, xcompmgr and transset
[11:53] <fazer> delire, i used synpatic to do so.
[11:53] <fazer> delire, now, how do I use it?
[11:53] <delire> fazer: what is your current window manager?
[11:53] <crimsun> marska: hmm, are you using Ubuntu Hoary?
[11:53] <ryanblack> So could someone tell me if ubuntu mounts ntfs... and can I dual boot easily...
[11:53] <ryanblack> ?
[11:53] <fazer> delire, gnome =/
[11:53] <marska> Crimsun: Okay.. I go to /usr/bin and find the GTk-Gnuttella file, all it does is flash my screen for a second.
[11:53] <mjc> ryanblack, yep
[11:53] <Kabuto> crimsun, what do you suggest I do?
[11:53] <marska> Crimsun: No. Warty
[11:53] <fazer> delire, how do I use it though?
[11:54] <delire> fazer: 'killall metacity && openbox'
[11:54] <thoreauputic> ryanblack: yes and yes
[11:54] <malarcky> ola, alguien me puede yudar con enem territory?
[11:54] <marska> Crimsun: Can I upgrade Warty to Hoary?
[11:54] <ryanblack> yea to both huh.. great I'll install it tonight..
[11:54] <ryanblack> woohoo
[11:54] <delire> fazer: b00m!
[11:54] <crimsun> marska: that's why. I didn't fix it for Warty; you'll have to execute it. Yes, you can.