[12:04] <me2win> definately
[12:10] <me2win> anyone in here read digg?
[12:19] <_grigory> digg
[12:19] <_grigory> yeah, sometimes
[12:19] <me2win> they had this story posted about an ubuntu user
[12:20] <me2win> who took cds to his local mcdonalds
[12:20] <me2win> and passed them out
[12:20] <me2win> and they were like FLYING off the counter people wanting them so bad
[12:20] <me2win> and that the manager praised him for doing it
[12:20] <me2win> turns out he was lying
[12:20] <me2win> digg users called all the mcdonalds in that area
[12:20] <me2win> none of them knew of such a thing
[12:20] <me2win> he ended up admitting it was a lie
[12:21] <me2win> and he took down his website, domain name, deleted his forum posts, and apparently quit his job because of it
[12:21] <me2win> lol
[12:21] <_grigory> :) that was quite funny
[12:21] <me2win> lol
[12:21] <me2win> did you see iyt?
[12:21] <_grigory> i read the story, yes.
[12:21] <_grigory> well, not the original post
[12:22] <me2win> ah, heh
[12:22] <_grigory> the follow up
[12:22] <me2win> i saw the original yesterday
[12:22] <me2win> and thought about how no manager in his right mind would do that
[12:22] <me2win> much less bust out a laptop at work
[12:22] <_grigory> i saw it on digg yesterday, but decided to check it out later, was in a rush. ah, well, now it's erased
[12:22] <me2win> i couldn't believe it, but resigned to just forgetting about it
[12:22] <LeeJunFan> I hate to admit it, but reading about MS windows vista new features --- pretty impressive if they deliver.
[12:23] <_grigory> IF
[12:23] <_grigory> key word
[12:23] <_grigory> i still remember that article about how vista won't run on 50% of the computers
[12:23] <LeeJunFan> _grigory: yeah, and which of the 6 versions do I have to buy to get the features I want? hehe
[12:24] <_grigory> me2win: the guy claims that the manager part was true, and that he actually helped him install it and play around with Automatix
[12:24] <me2win> _grigory: ah, i see, didnt see that part
[12:24] <LeeJunFan> _grigory: that was actually FUD, if you don't have a good enough graphics card you just don't get the super slick GUI environment and eye candy.
[12:24] <_grigory> oh, so it's not that bad
[12:25] <sorush20> guys is there a session saver in konqueror? like when it crashes I want it to be able to remember the pages I had open before it crashed
[12:25] <_grigory> I ought to check it out when vista will come out
[12:25] <me2win> i keep hearing that all firefox extensions work with konq
[12:25] <LeeJunFan> _grigory: it seems, it's kind of like trying to use composite extensions in X.
[12:25] <me2win> but ive never tried it
[12:26] <_grigory> heh.. by the way, how much does XP cost?
[12:27] <_grigory> just wondering how much all that new eye candy will cost to poor windows users
[12:27] <me2win> llol
[12:27] <me2win> copy of windows nowadays
[12:27] <me2win> is somewhere around a 100 bucks
[12:27] <_grigory> oh, wow
[12:27] <_b> and all hardware that they will cut support for
[12:28] <_grigory> that's quite expensive actually, always thought it was around 50 bucks
[12:28] <_b> they allways got discont
[12:28] <_b> student - dell etc
[12:28] <LeeJunFan> I guess I must be a zealot because I'm actually a bit disgusted at these features and I wish linux had some of them, soon I'm sure - btw http://tinyurl.com/pjpzp
[12:29] <LeeJunFan> By the time vista is out kde4 will be right there too as for the GUI improvements.
[12:29] <_grigory> ah. where i come from licensed windows copy was quite rare, we all had those $2 CDs with 2000, 98 and XP and office packed on them :D
[12:29] <me2win> LeeJunFan: you get that off diff?
[12:29] <me2win> err off digg
[12:30] <_grigory> by the time vista will come out, xglc will be rockin' linux boxes all over the world
[12:30] <_b> i dont think they pay for windows in asia at all :P
[12:30] <_grigory> hopefully
[12:31] <_b> they just copy it, its in thier nature !
[12:31] <me2win> lol
[12:31] <_grigory> not only asia though
[12:31] <robotgeek> ahem
[12:31] <_grigory> take Russia for example, HUUUGE pirat market
[12:31] <_b> eastblock
[12:31] <_grigory> pirate*
[12:31] <_grigory> yeah
[12:31] <robotgeek> lets take the offtopic discussion to -offtopic, please
[12:32] <_b> yea it was pretty scary som weapons plants i think i moldavia or something
[12:32] <_b> was run by mafia
[12:32] <_grigory> that's why russian programmers are so good, they always use latest software there is without having to pay for it
[12:32] <me2win> robotgeek: it provides discussion so that when people come in, they see people are active and talking
[12:32] <_grigory> that's true actually
[12:32] <Tm_T> krhm
[12:32] <robotgeek> me2win: all the russians i know use linux, gentoo
[12:32] <Tm_T> why don't you then talk something ONtopic?
[12:33] <_grigory> robotgeek: imagine coming into a room full of people and there is dead silence. would you start talking?
[12:33] <Tm_T> _grigory: see my point
[12:33] <robotgeek> _grigory: yeah, i ping
[12:34] <robotgeek> the normal user may not
[12:34] <_grigory> robotgeek: i know loots of russians, only few of them use linux, but the ones that do...
[12:36] <_grigory> somehow I managed to encourage people to switch to Kubuntu \ Ubuntu just by talking about it. 4 of my windows friends tried it, 3 of them do not have windows at all now
[12:36] <_grigory> managed to encourage... wow
[12:36] <_b> Transnistrien is the name of the mafia run part of moldavia
[12:37] <me2win> I always though somebody should make a shirt that one the front says "Ping?" and on the back "Pong!"
[12:37] <_grigory> :D
[12:37] <Tm_T> me2win: I think I have seen one
[12:37] <_grigory> don't they have it on... what was that websites name
[12:37] <_grigory> thinkgeek or something
[12:37] <Tm_T> thinkgeek.com?
[12:37] <me2win> really?
[12:37] <robotgeek> www.cafepress.com
[12:37] <me2win> ive never seen one anywhere
[12:38] <_grigory> i think thinkgeek have it, not sure though
[12:38] <Tm_T> also have you noticed "rtfm" package?
[12:38] <Tm_T> !info rtfm
[12:38] <_grigory> :D
[12:38] <ubotu> rtfm: (RT FAQ Manager), section universe/misc, is optional.
[12:46] <me2win> and comes up with something hilarious
[12:46] <me2win> every single time
[12:46] <_grigory> =)
[12:46] <_grigory> he doesn't say soviet union?
[12:47] <me2win> no
[12:47] <_grigory> soviet russia just sounds weird to me
[12:47] <callie> the soviat union is different
[12:47] <callie> like UK and GB
[12:48] <me2win> he uses soviet like
[12:48] <me2win> OLD russia
[12:48] <_grigory> when ppl say soviet russia, they usually mean russia under communists
[12:48] <_grigory> yeah
[12:48] <me2win> yeah
[12:48] <me2win> lol
[12:48] <_grigory> :)
[12:48] <me2win> high five for being awesome
[12:48] <me2win> *high five*
[12:48] <_grigory> *low five*
[12:49] <_grigory> ah, Texas
[12:49] <me2win> lol
[12:49] <_grigory> probably hot in there
[12:49] <me2win> 86 right now
[12:49] <me2win> according to weatherfox
[12:49] <_grigory> in C ?
[12:49] <_grigory> :)
[12:49] <me2win> err ForecastFox
[12:50] <me2win> lol
[12:50] <me2win> no fahrenheit
[12:50] <_grigory> 86 to me sounds like you are boiling
[12:50] <me2win> lols
[12:50] <me2win> my bad
[12:50] <_grigory> :D
[12:50] <_grigory> fahrenheits are confusing, not sure how to convert to celcius
[12:50] <_b> celcius rocks and the mettric system to !
[12:50] <_grigory> them*
[12:51] <_grigory> yes!
[12:51] <_grigory> inches, foots, ew
[12:51] <_b> calculations are much simpler
[12:51] <_grigory> more precise too
[12:51] <_b> i got amerikan speaker book
[12:51] <_b> build speakers
[12:51] <xiO__> 86f=30c
[12:51] <_b> its hell, and the even use some metric calcs
[12:51] <_grigory> oh, wow
[12:52] <_grigory> 30 degrees is quite hot
[12:52] <_b> no passive coolinig for you !
[12:52] <_grigory> especially if you guys have high humidity, then it's hell
[12:52] <_grigory> i have -6, im cool enough
[12:53] <_grigory> what's 0C in F ?
[12:53] <me2win> lol
[12:54] <me2win> uhh
[12:54] <_b> 32 says google
[12:54] <me2win> 0 c in f
[12:54] <me2win> is
[12:54] <_grigory> me2win - so you guys don't get any snow?
[12:54] <_grigory> 32, such an ugly number for the freezing point of water
[12:55] <me2win> _grigory: not the part of texas i live in
[12:55] <me2win> i live in south texas
[12:55] <xiO__> 0c=32f, 212f=100c
[12:55] <me2win> north texas like dallas
[12:55] <me2win> gets snow
[12:55] <me2win> but very little
[12:55] <me2win> if any at all
[12:55] <robotgeek> me2win: another texan, huh
[12:55] <callie> you're
[12:55] <callie> going
[12:56] <robotgeek> i used to live there 2 weeks ago
[12:56] <callie> to
[12:56] <callie> wear out
[12:56] <callie> the
[12:56] <callie> enter
[12:56] <callie> key
[12:56] <callie> :P
[12:56] <robotgeek> callie: hmm, you are lucky this isn't #ubuntu :P
[12:56] <callie> robotgeek, really? is it worse there?
[12:56] <_grigory> how bad is it? :)
[12:56] <robotgeek> callie: no, you would have been kicked for that
[12:57] <callie> really?
[12:57] <callie> Gnome users seem so much more uptight that KDE users
[12:57] <me2win> robotgeek: where in texas?
[12:57] <_b> lol
[12:57] <robotgeek> me2win: arlington
[12:58] <me2win> oo, so right by dallas then, did ya'll get any snow this year?
[12:58] <robotgeek> callie: no, it's very busy there. that's why
[12:58] <robotgeek> me2win: yeah, 2 weeks ago. it was 0'C for link 3 days
[12:58] <robotgeek> like
[12:58] <me2win> ah, i see
[12:58] <me2win> did you move awya or what?
[12:58] <_grigory> must be a little hot in the summer then
[12:59] <callie> robotgeek, i was trying to point out to me2win in a light hearted way that there's no need to keep hitting enter, mellow out dude :)
[12:59] <me2win> callie: yeah sorry, i always get flamed for that, but its my nature
[12:59] <robotgeek> callie: sorry, i did not see the context
[01:00] <me2win> i type so fast that it feels like ive typed a billion words
[01:00] <_grigory> i wish i could type fast :(
[01:00] <callie> me2win, then perhaps hitting enter less would reduce your overall keystrokes considerably
[01:00] <_grigory> comes with practice, i suppose
[01:00] <me2win> callie: when you type as fast as i do, 1 extra keystroke doesnt matter
[01:01] <callie> me2win, see you did it there, you used a comma
[01:01] <me2win> its like saying the speed of light is just a LITTLE too slow
[01:01] <_grigory> me2win: shouldn't be the other way around? like at your speed every single movement matters?
[01:01] <me2win> nah
[01:01] <me2win> lets say there is 2 nascars
[01:01] <me2win> i hate nascar by the way
[01:01] <me2win> its just an example
[01:01] <_grigory> who doesnt?
[01:02] <callie> at the speed of light time slows down so it wouldnt seem that fast
[01:02] <me2win> one is going at 200mph, the other at 150, even if the one going at 200 leans off the accelerator a little for a second, it wont matter
[01:02] <me2win> he is still going WAY faster than the one going at 150
[01:03] <callie> i fail to see the how that relates to proper sentance structure
[01:03] <_grigory> are you implying [did i spelled that correctly?]  that we are slow? :D
[01:03] <callie> any way </rant>
[01:03] <me2win> well, sentance structure is COMPLETELY different than hitting enter
[01:03] <me2win> i dont hit enter at any specific point, just whenever i feel like i need to
[01:04] <me2win> but i guess it tends to be where a comma would go
[01:04] <me2win> comma is such a reach though lol
[01:04] <me2win> my pinky is right there hovering over the enter button
[01:04] <LeeJunFan> is there any wiki entry for xgl for kde? I find gnome/ubuntu but nothing for kubuntu. I guess it's time I see what all the hype is about.
[01:04] <me2win> !xgl
[01:04] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper.  You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[01:11] <RomanK> it was a friend of mine...
[01:11] <RomanK> owning my keyboard ;)
[01:11] <_grigory> suure, there's always a friend
[01:11] <_b> was it a propper translation ? :)
[01:11] <RomanK> _b: not really...
[01:11] <RomanK> it was "piss the wall"... don't ask for the sense... it doesn't make sense at all ;)
[01:12] <_grigory> callie: i read all about it on the Art Lebedev's website, and bunch of russian tech blogs, they have all that inside info of some sort
[01:13] <callie> _grigory, i just thought you said there wasnt a wireless model
[01:13] <_grigory> oh, i actually wasn't sure if there was one, me2win asked about it
[01:14] <me2win> i thought there wasnt
[01:16] <_grigory> guys, what's the minimum drinking age in US ?
[01:16] <me2win> 32
[01:16] <me2win> 21
[01:16] <me2win> lol
[01:16] <me2win> 21
[01:16] <_b> they smoke weed until then ?
[01:17] <me2win> nah
[01:17] <me2win> drink anyway
[01:17] <_grigory> 21?!
[01:17] <_grigory> wow
[01:17] <_grigory> hmm... wait, at what age you can go to army?
[01:17] <_grigory> 18, right?
[01:17] <me2win> yeah
[01:18] <_grigory> heh, basically you can kill, but you can't buy alchohol
[01:18] <_grigory> interesting
[01:18] <me2win> yep
[01:18] <me2win> thats the american way
[01:19] <_b> what is age for owning a gun ?
[01:19] <_grigory> 16? :)
[01:19] <me2win> lol
[01:19] <_grigory> it's probably 18
[01:19] <me2win> uhhh
[01:19] <me2win> i think its 21
[01:19] <me2win> cuz you have to have a license
[01:19] <_grigory> license as in driver license?
[01:20] <me2win> no a fire arm license
[01:20] <_grigory> ah, my bad
[01:20] <callie> lol
[01:20] <me2win> hehe
[01:20] <_grigory> well, that's US, you never know
[01:20] <me2win> yep
[01:21] <me2win> the country isn't all bad
[01:21] <me2win> but
[01:21] <me2win> some things don't make sense
[01:21] <me2win> cost of being "free"
[01:22] <_grigory> "free"...
[01:22] <_b> lotsa strange laws going down lately
[01:22] <me2win> definately
[01:22] <_b> its in europe to
[01:22] <_grigory> any examples?
[01:22] <me2win> the us is getting ready to hand over control of 6 of its ports to the United Arab Emirates
[01:22] <_b> the mohammed kinda thing
[01:22] <me2win> and not just tiny ports
[01:23] <me2win> MAJOR ports
[01:23] <_b> is probably gonna end up with new hatelaws
[01:23] <_grigory> me2win: why would US do that?
[01:23] <_b> also all these terrorist laws
[01:23] <me2win> because our current president is a fucking idiot
[01:23] <_grigory> me2win: so true
[01:23] <callie> i'll second that
[01:23] <me2win> a monkey with a pencil taped to his hand could do a better job
[01:24] <_grigory> I was surprised when they elected him second time
[01:24] <callie> me2win, you already have one of those
[01:24] <_grigory> :D
[01:24] <callie> lol _grigory he was never elected the first time
[01:24] <me2win> LOL
[01:24] <me2win> _grigory: shes right
[01:24] <me2win> err
[01:24] <me2win> he
[01:24] <_b> election fraud !
[01:25] <callie> thanks me2win
[01:25] <_grigory> i'm not familiar with the way your system works :)
[01:25] <_grigory> oh, fraud
[01:25] <me2win> nah
[01:25] <me2win> its the way our voting system works
[01:25] <me2win> there are 50 states
[01:25] <me2win> each state has what are called "electoral votes"
[01:25] <me2win> the number of votes a state has
[01:25] <me2win> is based on its population
[01:25] <me2win> a state like texas has 18
[01:25] <me2win> while a state like maine
[01:26] <me2win> has 4
[01:26] <callie> americans have this amazing voting system that still manages to be un-democratic
[01:26] <me2win> because texas is MUCH bigger than maine
[01:26] <me2win> each person votes
[01:26] <callie> do fat people get two votes?
[01:26] <_grigory> :D
[01:26] <me2win> and the most number of votes for a side, wins the state and the electoral votes
[01:26] <_grigory> based on population, not mass
[01:26] <me2win> yeah
[01:26] <me2win> so basically
[01:26] <me2win> the popular vote
[01:27] <me2win> which is the ACTUAL NUMBER of individual votes
[01:27] <me2win> was won by the other guy
[01:27] <me2win> but the electoral votes
[01:27] <_grigory> so if state has 51% for bush, then the state is said to be pro-bush?
[01:27] <me2win> was won by the current pres
[01:27] <me2win> _grigory: yeah
[01:27] <me2win> and that entire state
[01:27] <me2win> gives its votes to bush
[01:28] <me2win> problem was
[01:28] <_grigory> interesting
[01:28] <me2win> the last state to vote
[01:28] <me2win> or
[01:28] <me2win> finish getting its votes in
[01:28] <me2win> was Florida
[01:28] <me2win> and there was a big controversy about the number of individual votes
[01:28] <_grigory> how's that a problem?
[01:28] <_grigory> ah
[01:28] <me2win> yeah
[01:28] <me2win> it came down to about
[01:28] <me2win> a thousand or less votes
[01:28] <me2win> individual votes
[01:28] <me2win> but it was so convoluted
[01:29] <me2win> confusing
[01:29] <me2win> wierd
[01:29] <me2win> that the state was not decided by the people
[01:29] <me2win> but by the government
[01:29] <me2win> the justice system
[01:29] <me2win> and that state
[01:29] <_grigory> ah
[01:29] <_b> supreme court
[01:29] <me2win> was deciding who was gonna win the vote
[01:29] <me2win> so florida's electoral votes were to decide the election
[01:30] <_grigory> if it was so confusing i wonder how they managed to make a fair decision (which they.. didn't?)
[01:30] <_b> probably som dollar check helped
[01:30] <me2win> nope, they had to make a hard decision
[01:30] <me2win> and they did
[01:31] <_b> so whats the word on iran over there ?
[01:31] <_b> u gonna take it out
[01:32] <me2win> lol
[01:32] <Dasnipa`> nobody has said anything along those lines yet
[01:32] <me2win> we can't take it out till we LEAVE there
[01:32] <Dasnipa`> but i think its a strong possibility
[01:32] <me2win> and no sings of us leaving
[01:32] <Dasnipa`> but i think the UN might back this one
[01:32] <Dasnipa`> i think theres a lot more clear evidence that they are a threat
[01:33] <_b> just look at history of islam
[01:33] <_b> its constant agression against every other
[01:33] <_b> they use religon to control ppl
[01:33] <_grigory> that's how all relegions were used at one time or another
[01:34] <Dasnipa`> its mostly the extremists that are the fighters though
[01:34] <_grigory> well, majority of them
[01:34] <me2win> yeah
[01:34] <Dasnipa`> like conservatives vs liberals except instead of having civil arguements they just kill each other
[01:34] <_grigory> i actually grew up in muslim country, people were extremely friendly
[01:34] <_b> hamas got 40% i palestine
[01:35] <_grigory> noone cared if you are a jew or christian... so yeah, islam by itself is not bad or good, just another religion
[01:36] <me2win> check out this bash quote
[01:36] <me2win> it about sums it up
[01:36] <me2win> http://bash.org/?76548
[01:38] <_grigory> heh
[01:39] <me2win> hehe
[01:42] <_grigory> how can i change monitor's refresh frequency?
[01:43] <_grigory> in the sys. settings -> monitor the max is 75hz, a little low, 85hz would be much nicer
[01:43] <me2win> youll have to modify xorg.conf
[01:43] <me2win> i believe
[01:44] <Dasnipa`> dpkg-reconfigure xorg?
[01:44] <_grigory> yeah, i guess easyubuntu made me to reconfigure xorg, and it screwed up monitor settings
[01:44] <Dasnipa`> maybe?
[01:44] <lanteau> Ok I have /etc/timezone set to America/Detrioit, but why when I run date it shows the time in UTC?
[01:44] <chp43> edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... hands on approach
[01:45] <_grigory> Dasnipa': Package `xorg' is not installed and no info is available.
[01:45] <Dasnipa`> yeah thats not quite the right command
[01:45] <_grigory> let's edit it manually
[01:45] <me2win> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:45] <me2win> is the way you want to do it
[01:45] <_grigory> nano?
[01:45] <me2win> or edit, whatever you use
[01:45] <me2win> lol
[01:45] <Dasnipa`> nano = text editor
[01:45] <_grigory> ah, ok
[01:47] <_grigory> ok, there is Horizontal Sync and Vertical Refresh... let's find proper value for my monitor
[01:48] <me2win> heh
[01:48] <_grigory> ivory - colour?
[01:50] <Mitja> How do I save active session?
[01:53] <me2win> brb guys, gonna eat
[01:53] <_grigory> food...
[01:54] <_grigory> Mitja: it kind of always saves sessions automatically for me
[01:55] <Mitja> _grigory: I know, but I have this LimeWire, which freezes the entire OS and if I reboot, the session won't save.
[01:55] <_grigory> can't you just kill limewhire instead of rebooting?
[01:56] <Mitja> _grigory: I can run it once and kill it. But when I run the second time, it freezes everything.
[01:57] <_grigory> do you have the latest jave runtime thingy? i guess all those java apps greatly depend on it
[01:57] <rev033> Could anyone help me installing limewire on kubuntu?
[01:58] <Mitja> _grigory: java might be the culprit
[01:58] <bimberi> !limewire
[01:58] <ubotu> first you need !java, then download the http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and unpack it. Then just run the runLime.sh file. Voila. Consider !frostwire as an alternative.
[01:58] <Mitja> _grigory: I think I must make sure to kill everything javish before running for the second time.
[01:59] <_grigory> bimberi: would it install limewhire pro though?
[01:59] <rev033> iii
[01:59] <_grigory> Mitja: probably
[01:59] <_grigory> i read somewhere that although they sell limewhire pro it is still open source software, and you can legally get it for free
[02:00] <bimberi> _grigory: no idea sorry
[02:01] <rev033> it says i dont have java to install limewire =[
[02:01] <rev033> !java
[02:01] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[02:01] <_grigory> well install it then
[02:01] <rev033> !javadebs
[02:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi
[02:03] <rev033> how do i add a rep to my server.lst ?
[02:03] <chp43> sudo vi /etc/apt.sources.list .... where vi is just some text editor
[02:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i just discovered that the ati fglrx module is already compiled in the precompiled kubuntu kernel of the repositories
[02:03] <rev033> o ok ty
[02:03] <chp43> woops. i typosed
[02:03] <chp43>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:03] <rev033> ya i figured that =]
[02:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> someone can tell me what do i have to change to have fglrx run correctly?
[02:04] <rev033> ty!
[02:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !fglrx
[02:04] <ubotu> somebody said fglrx was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:04] <chp43> rev033: after you add the line, do a sudo apt-get update before trying to install or remove anything
[02:04] <rev033> do i add it to bottom?
[02:05] <chp43> add it anywhere. apt-get update will reread the entire file
[02:05] <_grigory> allright, im out of here to dark and cold downtown :\
[02:06] <rev033> o ok
[02:06] <rev033> ty
[02:06] <rev033> i just add...
[02:06] <rev033> deb http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ breezy-seveas list_of_sections
[02:06] <rev033> deb-src http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ breezy-seveas list_of_sections
[02:06] <rev033> ?
[02:07] <rev033> err it wont let me save file saying it is write only
[02:07] <rev033> any idea chp43
[02:07] <chp43> rev033: gotta use sudo or some other form of root
[02:08] <rev033> o ok
[02:08] <rev033> how i do this?
[02:08] <rev033> im opening the gui of "KATE"
[02:08] <chp43> try this. kdesu kate
[02:09] <rev033> ty it worked
[02:09] <rev033> wut does kdesu do?
[02:09] <rev033> another form of sudo or root?
[02:10] <rev033> i ran apt-get update
[02:10] <rev033> it gave me some error after it was done
[02:10] <rev033> and then i ran upgrade
[02:10] <rev033> another error
[02:10] <rev033> =X
[02:11] <mloop> i downloaded adoreader (tarball) it seems it try to start but in a moment it just goes down
[02:11] <chp43> sounds like the line you added is wrong somehow
[02:11] <fuzy> hi
[02:11] <fuzy> i'm having some trouble while trying to logging on kde after hibernating my laptop. anyone knows what's going on and how to fix it?
[02:11] <fuzy> thanks
[02:11] <chp43> rev033: the update has got to complete sucesfully before the new repository will be available. until they it will fail
[02:11] <mloop> someone can help
[02:12] <rev033> when will the update complete?
[02:13] <chp43> rev033: what do you mean? its very quick.. it will attempt to contact the server onr every line in sources.list.. if a line is no good it will produce an error and be skipped.. it sounds like that is happening
[02:13] <rev033> ima pm u
[02:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> sorry? how can i know i am using xfree or xorg?
[02:14] <chp43> rev033: ok
[02:14] <patrix> X -version
[02:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> patrix: no... it shows only X informations..
[02:15] <patrix> well
[02:15] <patrix> it showed me an url too
[02:15] <patrix> wiki.x.org
[02:15] <patrix> which afaik is the xorg page
[02:15] <chp43> rev033: paste the line you added to sources.list. looks like the rep is no good.. rejecting your connection
[02:16] <Mrono> !ff1.5
[02:16] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[02:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> patrix: this means that i have xorg?
[02:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !xorg
[02:16] <ubotu> I guess xorg is to reconfigure your xserver, open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[02:16] <patrix> Tallia1Kubuntu: well as far as I know Kubuntu uses Xorg anyway
[02:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !xfree
[02:16] <ubotu> Tallia1Kubuntu: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> patrix: ok tnx
[02:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> that's all i need
[02:17] <patrix> Tallia1Kubuntu: you can also check in the Kmenu -> System -> Info center
[02:17] <patrix> and click on X-server
[02:17] <patrix> tells me the vendor is the X.org foundation
[02:17] <chp43> rev033: havn't bothered registering. can't pm back. i got it though. the source you added is no good..
[02:17] <rev033> o
[02:17] <rev033> hmm
[02:17] <rev033> wut sghould i add then?
[02:18] <rev033> i just want java damnit
[02:18] <rev033> lol
[02:18] <chp43> rev033: got me. i don't know what the source is for.. the address you specified is rejecting your connection though. not acting like a repository
[02:18] <rev033> i did
[02:18] <rev033> !javadeb
[02:18] <ubotu> Java can be found in multiverse. Sun and IBM java packages can be found at http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[02:19] <rev033> !javadebs
[02:19] <rev033> see
[02:19] <rev033> which repo do i add from there?
[02:19] <patrix> I think I got java from universe repo, not multiverse, package was sun-j2sdk1.5
[02:20] <fuzy> hi, anyone got some trouble logging on kde after hibernating?
[02:20] <chp43> the url he posted times out..likely the problem
[02:20] <fuzy> when i hibernate, kde dont accept my login/password
[02:20] <rev033> heh
[02:21] <rev033> which repos do  iadd to get java
[02:21] <rev033> !javadeb
[02:21] <ubotu> Java can be found in multiverse. Sun and IBM java packages can be found at http://mirror2.ubuntulinux.nl/
[02:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> if i have a centrino 1.6GHz which kind of number identify my processor? 386 686...?
[02:21] <rev033> see wut i mean chp
[02:21] <rev033> tallia 386
[02:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :(
[02:21] <rev033> why
[02:22] <rev033> i need my java debs =[
[02:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i have to install the ati drivers and i need to download the proper build of the precompiled one
[02:22] <rev033> cant help u there im with nvidia
[02:22] <patrix> probably 686
[02:22] <patrix> not sure though Tallia1Kubuntu , but since it's an intel chip I'd go with 386 or 686
[02:22] <chp43> Tallia1Kubuntu: no matter what it is, 386 is guarenteed to work
[02:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> why 686?
[02:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how can i know if it is 686?
[02:23] <patrix> Tallia1Kubuntu: pentium Pro and later chips all fall under the i686 architecture (a descendant of 386)
[02:23] <rev033> chp43
[02:23] <rev033> i need jave to isntall limewire =[
[02:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> patrix: how can i check?
[02:24] <chp43> rev033: i have no idea man. that first url ubotu posted timed out on me though.. try some of the other reps. by all accounts you have done everything right
[02:24] <rev033> hmmm
[02:24] <rev033> thx =[
[02:24] <patrix> Tallia1Kubuntu: it's an Intel Centrino CPU?
[02:24] <rev033> welll
[02:24] <rev033> chp43
[02:25] <rev033> you could tell me how to execute a .bin file?
[02:25] <patrix> Tallia1Kubuntu: that means 386 and 686 will both work, and 686 will have some small optimizations for Pentium Pro and later, chips
[02:25] <patrix> like chp43 said, 386 is garanteed to work
[02:25] <chp43> rev033: first identify it.. file <file>... its most likely a script. sh ./<file> from its directory
[02:25] <rev033> rgr
[02:25] <rev033> ty
[02:25] <rev033> its jave sun from sun.com
[02:25] <rev033> so i hope
[02:26] <rev033> that will allow me to install limewire =[
[02:26] <rev033> i need music on this damn comp lol
[02:27] <Tallia1Kubuntu> patrix: yes it is, centrino
[02:28] <rev033> chp43 look..
[02:28] <rev033> psuedo@psuedo:~/Desktop$ ./jdk-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin
[02:28] <rev033> bash: ./jdk-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin: Permission denied
[02:28] <patrix> he said
[02:28] <patrix> sh ./jdkblablabla
[02:28] <rev033> o
[02:28] <patrix> :)
[02:28] <chp43> rev033: you have to change the permissions +x if you expect it to run on its own like that
[02:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> rev033: have you got execution permissions?
[02:29] <rev033> i got it to work =]
[02:29] <rev033> i just forogt sh
[02:29] <rev033> sorry =[
[02:29] <patrix> we won't hold it against you
[02:30] <rev033> lol
[02:31] <patrix> wow hm
[02:31] <patrix> has anyone got kdm's or xdm's  XDMCP stuff working properly?
[02:33] <patrix> I got xdm running in the background (no actual local displays it just listens on xdmcp)
[02:33] <patrix> I run Xnest -query localhost :1
[02:33] <patrix> and all I get is some white flashing in the xnest window
[02:34] <rev033> ugh
[02:34] <rev033> wow
[02:34] <rev033> i restarted and... my wallpeper is gone
[02:34] <rev033> lol
[02:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> patrix: yes it is, centrino, so?
[02:34] <rev033> damn linux!
[02:34] <rev033> made my wallpaper go away
[02:35] <patrix> Tallia1Kubuntu: so like I said, intel chips since the Pentium Pro are 686 architecture (no clue about their 64 bit chips but I doubt centrino is 64 bits)
[02:35] <rev033> can anyone tell me why my wallpaper disappeared
[02:35] <rev033> after boot
[02:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> 686 is only for 64bits?
[02:35] <patrix> no
[02:35] <patrix> it's 32 bit
[02:36] <rev033> hey chp34
[02:36] <rev033> how do i take my clock off millitary time?
[02:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i want to be sure that mine is 686 before using 686 packages
[02:36] <patrix> 686 is to 386 what G5 is to PPC 603 (for example)
[02:36] <chp43> rev033: right click on it. date time formats
[02:36] <patrix> go ahead and use the 686 packages arghghhh :)
[02:36] <patrix> Tallia1Kubuntu: are they kernel modules?
[02:37] <Tallia1Kubuntu> no driversa
[02:37] <Tallia1Kubuntu> or better
[02:37] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yes
[02:37] <Tallia1Kubuntu>  :)
[02:37] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ati glx kernel modules
[02:37] <patrix> right
[02:37] <patrix> so use the same as your kernel packages then
[02:37] <Tallia1Kubuntu> This is 386 for Intel Pentium, 686 for Celeron, Pentium Pro, Pentium II, and Pentium III, 686-smp for Pentium 4, or k7 or k7-smp for AMD athlon.
[02:37] <rev033> chp32 wut od i change it too?
[02:37] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i could change the kernel packages too :)
[02:37] <Tallia1Kubuntu> if it is 686
[02:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but read the line i pasted before.. isn't centrino a 686-smp?
[02:38] <rev033> ehh fuck it
[02:38] <rev033> enough linux for one night
[02:38] <rev033> ima go sleepy
[02:38] <rev033> gnite thank you for your help all
[02:38] <patrix> might be Tallia1Kubuntu .. it doesn't really matter that much imo
[02:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ?
[02:38] <patrix> the 686-smp have smp support enabled in the kernel, while 686 doesn't
[02:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there a way to understand it?
[02:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> to be sure if mine is 386 686 or 686-smp?
[02:40] <patrix> do you have 1 CPU or multiple CPU ?
[02:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> 1
[02:40] <patrix> ok
[02:40] <patrix> so no need for SMP
[02:40] <chp43> using it will cause you a big headache in fact
[02:40] <patrix> is your computer an intel 386 chip from 1991???
[02:41] <patrix> I bet not eh ;)
[02:41] <patrix> so since you have a chip that's Pentium Pro OR LATER, then it's 686
[02:41] <patrix> 386 willl still work too, since that's the kernel you're running right now
[02:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> patrix: i bought it 2 years ago
[02:41] <Dasnipa`> lol
[02:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it is in a Acer Travelmate 803LMi
[02:42] <Dasnipa`> 2 years ago != 1991
[02:42] <patrix> linux-image-686 - Linux kernel image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.  (for example)
[02:42] <patrix> centrino is a form of P IV right?
[02:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> centrino is PIV
[02:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ?
[02:42] <patrix> I don't know
[02:42] <patrix> is it?
[02:42] <patrix> lol
[02:42] <patrix> it's Intel 32 bit CPU anyway afaik
[02:43] <fuzy> centrino is for sure 686
[02:43] <patrix> yes
[02:43] <patrix> centrino is a low power Pentium 3 cpu
[02:43] <patrix> just found that on google
[02:43] <fuzy> i'm using linux-image-686 right now in my centrino
[02:44] <fuzy> and yes, is some kind of PIV
[02:44] <patrix> some kind of P3 apparently ;)
[02:44] <fuzy> some of them, yeas
[02:44] <fuzy> yes
[02:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> fuzy: ok converting everything to 686
[02:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :)
[02:44] <patrix> well according to what I just read i na message on redhat.com the Pentium M / Centrino is a P3
[02:45] <patrix> either way
[02:45] <patrix> like I said
[02:45] <patrix> all 32 bit intel chips since the Pentium Pro
[02:45] <patrix> they ARE 686
[02:45] <patrix> so it's not a difficult choice Tallia1Kubuntu :)
[02:45] <fuzy> well
[02:46] <fuzy> anyone getting the same issue as me logging into kde after hibernating?
[02:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> do i get better performance from 386 to 686?
[02:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what's the difference?
[02:46] <patrix> the difference is that intel added a lot of improvements in the 15 yaers between 386 chips and 686 chips ;)
[02:46] <_b> yes more instructions help a little
[02:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :) so it should work way faster
[02:47] <patrix> "way" faster not relaly
[02:47] <Tallia1Kubuntu> or a bit at least :)
[02:47] <patrix> slightly faster
[02:47] <fuzy> 686 makes use of some more assembly instructions that newer cpu's have
[02:47] <patrix> it's just the kernel you'l be upgraded
[02:47] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i see
[02:47] <patrix> now if your whole system was compiled for 686 ,as opposed to just the kernel, you might feel a slight faster difference again
[02:47] <patrix> but nothing major, since the cpu is so fast anyuway already lol
[02:47] <Tallia1Kubuntu> aha i see
[02:48] <chp43> Tallia1Kubuntu: its important to note that they "added" these improvements.. a 686 is still a 386 with additional instructions.. same for 586, 486, etc. that is why it will always be a safe bet to configure for 386
[02:48] <Tallia1Kubuntu> packages in repositories are compiled for?
[02:48] <chp43> 386 unless noted otherwise
[02:49] <callie> are all dvd burners compatible with linux?
[02:49] <patrix> yeah
[02:50] <patrix> so chp43 , have yo uever used kdm/xdm's XDMCP features?
[02:51] <chp43> patrix: no, sorry. when you mentioned it i even googled around to find out more about it
[02:51] <patrix> heh
[02:52] <chp43> its not something i have ever needed to use
[02:52] <patrix> it's usually a pretty straightforward process, I've done it recently under freebsd and it worked flawlessly there
[02:52] <patrix> something's not quite right with xdm here though :(
[02:53] <patrix> well then I'll have to ask around on the forums :)
[02:56] <chp43> i guess i will go afk and do my homework :( seperable differential equations.. wow it seemed easy during the demonstration but i get nothing but wrong answers :\
[02:57] <patrix> heh
[02:57] <patrix> yow
[02:57] <patrix> glad i' mdomne with that :P
[02:57] <patrix> have fun chp43 ;)
[02:57] <gamma> anyone here having issues with kaffeine crashing konqueror with embedded videos?
[02:57] <chp43> fun fun fun :)
[02:57] <gamma> in dapper ^
[03:00] <callie> anyone here run athalon64?
[03:00] <Mrono> !ati
[03:00] <ubotu> from memory, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[03:02] <id_sonic> looking for the best qmail+vpopmail+sqwebmail_mailserver all_in_one install script
[03:02] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i don't understand what i have to do now... When you install from ati.com drivers or the breezy-seveas repository, you still need to change xorg.conf and add the fglrx module to /etc/modules as described under "Ubuntu provided drivers".
[03:02] <id_sonic> thanks
[03:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> as written in this page
[03:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[03:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what do i have to do?
[03:04] <id_sonic> sabu sabu ...
[03:04] <barside>  /server irc.efnet.info
[03:04] <id_sonic> barside : for me?
[03:05] <Snake__> Hey who in here plays atlantik
[03:05] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ok nada
[03:05] <barside> sorry i was trying something
[03:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there
[03:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the last thing
[03:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i just installed the ati 3d accelerated drivers
[03:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how can i check if they are correctly working?
[03:12] <patrix> well Tallia1Kubuntu you have to configure xorg.conf to use the ATI drivers
[03:12] <patrix> I'm sure there's doc somewhere to do it :)
[03:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i already did it
[03:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i have to check
[03:13] <patrix> so you configured X to use the ATI drivers
[03:13] <patrix> and you're in X now?
[03:13] <patrix> that means it worked lol
[03:13] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yes
[03:13] <Tallia1Kubuntu> glxinfo | grep direct tells me yes
[03:13] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and on ubuntu they told me this is the way to chekc
[03:14] <patrix> :)
[03:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but it is weird.. now, differently from before, when i execute glxgears, the CPU is at 100%
[03:14] <patrix> heh
[03:14] <patrix> well I've no experience with ATI cards
[03:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ok
[03:18] <__mikem> hey, are there any people on the ubuntu development team in here, because I want to pass on an idea I had
[03:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> __mikem: can we know it too?
[03:24] <__mikem> o
[03:24] <__mikem> sorry,
[03:24] <__mikem> I was going to propose a linux mobil type thing
[03:25] <__mikem> Ubuntu is definitely stable enough to run on mobile devices, so why not
[03:26] <pcnerd37> We are in desperate need of help!!  We were trying to fix a problem, and we deleted root from passwd and shadow.  Now we cant get into root and we cant modify those files with knoppix to fix our mistake.  What do we do now?
[03:27] <__mikem> sudo passwd root
[03:27] <__mikem> enter your password
[03:27] <__mikem> enter the new root password
[03:27] <__mikem> retype it
[03:27] <__mikem> and your good to go
[03:27] <pcnerd37> going to go try that now...
[03:27] <__mikem> ok
[03:28] <__mikem> one of the few things I can actually do on my own in linux
[03:30] <__mikem> I wonder if my advice worked, it doesn't take that long to enter lines into a terminal, so I can only assume it did
[03:34] <pcnerd37> nope
[03:34] <pcnerd37> it says no password entry for root
[03:34] <pcnerd37> im using Slackware by the way
[03:36] <pcnerd37> it refuses to write to the file when im trying to fix the problem with knoppix
[03:37] <__mikem> well, this is the ubuntu chanel
[03:37] <chp43> pcnerd37: try mounting your drive with knoppix.. use chroot making the new mount location the new /.. attempt to edit the file
[03:37] <__mikem> pastebin the contents of the terminal and give me the lin
[03:37] <__mikem> pastebin the contents of the terminal and give me the lin
[03:37] <pcnerd37> yea, im typically an ubutnu user when it comes to linux, but in class we are using slackware and im not aware of a slackware chat room
[03:38] <chp43> pcnerd37: or boot into single user mode (add the world single to the end of the kernel options).. try to edit the file from there
[03:38] <__mikem> pastebin the contents of the terminal
[03:38] <pcnerd37> its on another comp that is not connected to the net
[03:39] <__mikem> pcnerd37 pastebin your terminal output to me
[03:40] <pcnerd37> i would, but the comp is not connected to the net, and my partner is trying other things right now.  As soon as i can get him back into knoppix, im going to try that chroot idea
[03:40] <coz> have problem getting onto internet defaults to ipv6 and linksys router does not support that
[03:48] <__mikem> unless I can see exactly what lines you put in, and what lines came out of that terminal, I really can't help you
[03:54] <me2win> can you fix windows problems through SSH?
[03:56] <__mikem> wow, I didn't know this was a windows chat room
[03:56] <__mikem> I guess I am in the wrong place but I thought this was for linux
[03:56] <me2win> im in linux __mikem
[03:56] <me2win> wanting to use SSH
[03:57] <me2win> to get to a windows machine
[03:57] <me2win> __mikem:
[03:57] <__mikem> oh, sorry
[03:57] <__mikem> My parrents are arguing fiercely on my end so I am not in the most friendly mood right now
[03:57] <__mikem> sorry
[03:58] <me2win> no problem
[03:58] <me2win> we all make mistakes
[03:58] <__mikem> me more than others
[03:58] <__mikem> I guarintee
[03:58] <__mikem> What is it you are trying to do
[03:58] <__mikem> I may know how to do it depending on what it is
[03:59] <me2win> well, my brother has something wrong with his windows machine
[03:59] <me2win> and he is a jack ass
[03:59] <me2win> and not listening to my instructions
[03:59] <me2win> so i was wondering if i could SSH in and fix it
[03:59] <__mikem> What specifically is wrong
[03:59] <admrl> me2win no but you can tellnet
[04:00] <admrl> if hes on windows he can do the command netstart tlntsvr
[04:00] <admrl> give you his ip and youc an telnet into his box
[04:00] <me2win> ah i see i see
[04:00] <me2win> would i use linux commands or dos?
[04:00] <__mikem> I happen to have a lot of experience with windows administration, he may not need to
[04:00] <__mikem> depending on what the problem actually is
[04:01] <admrl> me2win if you telnet in you would be using windows commands
[04:01] <__mikem> me2win, what exactly is the computer doing or not doing
[04:01] <pcnerd37> ok, the chroot thing worked.  Thanks for the help guys
[04:01] <me2win> well, he is trying to use the usenet access i gave him
[04:02] <me2win> but there is a problem with the HOSTS file in his system 32/drivers/etc
[04:02] <me2win> so i just need to get in
[04:02] <me2win> open the file, edit it, and save it
[04:02] <__mikem> are you logging in remotely to the box, because you should be able to modify that file dirrectly through the gui
[04:03] <me2win> yeah, he is in another city right now :D
[04:03] <me2win> so remotely
[04:03] <__mikem> Oh, a normal host file should have only one ip address <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:03] <__mikem> and thats for testing purposes
[04:03] <me2win> yeah, but he needs to add some to it, because the program he is using phones home to make sure that its real
[04:04] <__mikem> yes I gathered
[04:04] <me2win> yeah
[04:04] <me2win> but
[04:04] <__mikem> the format of the file is prety streight forward
[04:04] <me2win> yeah, but the lines in there he needs
[04:04] <__mikem> you can do it with a text editor
[04:04] <me2win> aren't in there for some reason
[04:04] <me2win> yeah, but like i said, he's being a douche bag
[04:04] <me2win> so im gonna do it for him
[04:04] <__mikem> yes,
[04:04] <me2win> because he's a fucking idiot
[04:04] <trpr42> me2win: i use http://sshwindows.sourceforge.net/information/ to ssh into windows
[04:04] <me2win> he's only 9 though... so yeah
[04:05] <__mikem> hey me2win, you should really appreciate this
[04:05] <__mikem> go to http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid
[04:05] <me2win> lolz yeah, i spent hours on that website about a month ago
[04:05] <me2win> trpr42: is it good?
[04:06] <trpr42> me2win: it does the job well. there is a disclaimer about thinking twice before using it in a production environment though
[04:07] <trpr42> me2win: i think a 9 year old could manage to set it up... then again, the passwd file requires two commands for proper setup :\
[04:07] <__mikem> trpr42, a telnet program is just simply remote access to a remote box right?
[04:07] <trpr42> __mikem: thats unencrypted remote access. might as well leave your car keys in the ignition using something like that over the internet
[04:08] <me2win> lolz
[04:08] <__mikem> good point, but then again that is sort of true for most p2p networks also
[04:08] <__mikem> you know with the "shared" folders thing
[04:09] <__mikem> doesn't take much, just a malformed packet, and suddenly all your dirrectorys are "shared"
[04:09] <__mikem> get what I mean?
[04:09] <me2win> yeh
[04:11] <__mikem> I can guarintee you, if you want to use p2p softare, use a damn firewall
[04:11] <__mikem> this makes it harder, especially since you CAN'T talk to people if they are also using a firewall
[04:11] <__mikem> but its worth it
[04:12] <__mikem> for the security
[04:12] <me2win> heh
[04:12] <me2win> i dont use p2p
[04:12] <me2win> only the usenet
[04:12] <me2win> and when i do torrent
[04:12] <me2win> on windows i have peerguardian
[04:12] <me2win> and i just dont torrent on linux
[04:12] <me2win> lol
[04:13] <__mikem> I must admit, I never used usenet or tellnet or anything like that, and I have to admit being completely ignorant to its function
[04:13] <me2win> heh
[04:13] <me2win> telnet != or close to usenet
[04:14] <me2win> usenet is like
[04:14] <__mikem> Like I said
[04:14] <me2win> newsgroups
[04:14] <__mikem> I don't have a clue what they are fore
[04:14] <me2win> heh, i know what you mean, had no clue what usenet was till i started using it
[04:14] <me2win> usenet is like torrents and p2p on crack
[04:14] <thirio> hi all. I installed kismet-stable and it worked perfectly with my prism card. Then I installed the kismet-subversion in order to try it with madwifi-ng and I keep getting "FATAL:  Could not connect to localhost:2501". Can anyone tell me what I should do?
[04:14] <thirio> I am using dapper-4
[04:15] <trpr42> me2win: files encoded as base64, posted as text?
[04:15] <trpr42> me2win: or something like that?
[04:15] <me2win> trpr42: yeah
[04:15] <me2win> you download the binaries
[04:15] <me2win> and decode them
[04:15] <me2win> extract them and bam
[04:15] <me2win> you've got whatever it is you need
[04:15] <me2win> and its legal
[04:15] <me2win> cuz you are downloading binaries
[04:15] <__mikem> what the hell is base64 incoding
[04:15] <me2win> binaries
[04:16] <me2win> you basically download files with 1's and 0's
[04:16] <me2win> then decode them
[04:16] <me2win> and they turn into rar's or whatever they are decoded
[04:16] <kameron> i'm having a problem playing matroska video files, .mkv, the sound is garbled, but the video is good in mplayer, vlc doesn't do anything. anyone successfully play these files, is there a trick?
[04:16] <__mikem> Oh I sort of get it
[04:16] <thirio> apokryphos: eisai ellhnas?
[04:16] <me2win> and you extract them
[04:16] <me2win> usenet is HUGE and you can find just about anything
[04:16] <me2win> software, music, tv shows, movies
[04:16] <__mikem> The ironic thing is, I am a computer programmer, I deal with binary files, (I once wrote a disassembler and therefore became very familior with the wonderful world of PE format exe files)
[04:17] <__mikem> this is the type of thing I should know
[04:17] <me2win> heh
[04:17] <me2win> most people venture into newsgroups for pirating, so if thats not your style, then i can see why you wouldnt know
[04:17] <__mikem> by the way, I will say, PE files are actually prety eligantly designed
[04:17] <__mikem> especially the way it deals with imported functions
[04:17] <me2win> yeah
[04:18] <thirio> hi all. I installed kismet-stable and it worked perfectly with my prism card. Then I installed the kismet-subversion in order to try it with madwifi-ng and I keep getting "FATAL:  Could not connect to localhost:2501". Can anyone tell me what I should do?
[04:18] <__mikem> thirio, I wish I knew
[04:18] <thirio> ok thx lol
[04:18] <CellaDoor> I think I'm in p2p heaven
[04:19] <normal1> hey where can i get an updated list of kubuntu repositories ?
[04:19] <me2win> !kismet
[04:19] <ubotu> kismet is a wireless network sniffer tha can work in passive mode unlike netstumbler. it can decloak networks that dont broadcast essid's given that there is traffic. for more info see  http://www.kismetwireless.net/
[04:19] <__mikem> CellaDoor how do I get there?
[04:19] <me2win> !repos
[04:19] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[04:19] <thirio> I tried 'kismet but nobody answered
[04:19] <CellaDoor> __mikem: http://apollon.sourceforge.net/
[04:19] <thirio> #kismet
[04:19] <__mikem> you got to use the ! charactor in here thirio
[04:20] <thirio> sorry
[04:20] <__mikem> quite alright
[04:20] <__mikem> CellaDoor I use Sharaza myself
[04:20] <CellaDoor> __mikem: I've only been using it for a few minutes, but Limewire is getting the boot
[04:20] <CellaDoor> multiple networks
[04:20] <__mikem> ofcourse sharaza is not for linux, so
[04:20] <thirio> it seems kismet doesnt have writing rights anymore, and I dont know how to cahnge this with ubuntu.
[04:21] <__mikem> Limewire atleast for windows was spyware city
[04:21] <CellaDoor> I'm currently connected to OpenFT and Gnutella
[04:21] <me2win> what do you get from p2p?
[04:21] <crxyem> can anyone here clarify some samba questions ??
[04:21] <me2win> !samba
[04:21] <ubotu> it has been said that samba is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[04:21] <CellaDoor> Limewire, spyware ?
[04:21] <__mikem> Yup
[04:22] <me2win> i only refer you there because i dont know shit about samba, somebody else may though heh
[04:22] <__mikem> me2win its easy thats about it
[04:22] <me2win> __mikem: no i mean like, what kinda things you get from it?
[04:22] <CellaDoor> __mikem: Apollon is a native KDE app... loverly
[04:22] <crxyem> well it's not so much as using it, it's more about the file sharing, hmm maybe I'll check the ubuntu channel
[04:22] <__mikem> music files (obviously), and just about anything else that can be transfered via internet
[04:23] <__mikem> KDE = GOOD
[04:23] <crxyem> !samba
[04:23] <ubotu> samba is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[04:24] <CellaDoor> __mikem: The Limewire site says explicitly, "No spyware, no adware, no trojan horse, just pure file sharing"
[04:24] <__mikem> well, I will say this
[04:24] <CellaDoor> But Apollon has won me over
[04:24] <CellaDoor> Apollon is a giFT client
[04:24] <__mikem> When I tried limewire, I didn't get the installer from their site
[04:24] <crxyem> well, yeah I've got my shares set up and can see the files I want to see etc... my question is the share is a windows share the drive is still ntfs so do that mean since it's ntfs it's still only read-only
[04:24] <me2win> __mikem: roflcopter
[04:25] <__mikem> me2win, the best way to understand samba in my oppinion is to understand client server archetecture
[04:25] <me2win> crxyem: technically yes, there is a tool called ntfsmount, that makes it safe to write/edit ntfs partitions
[04:25] <__mikem> because thats all we ever use it for
[04:25] <me2win> !ntfsmount
[04:25] <ubotu> me2win: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:25] <me2win> !ntfsprogs
[04:25] <ubotu> me2win: What?  Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:26] <trpr42> me2win: __mikem: base64.. its binary encoded into an alphabet of 64 characters... they are all human readable, so it can be sent as part of an email, etc.. thus email attachments :)
[04:26] <__mikem> lol
[04:26] <me2win> !info ntfsmount
[04:26] <crxyem> so I should use ntfsmount instead of samba to moount my windows shares is what your suggesting ??
[04:26] <me2win> !info ntfsprogs
[04:26] <__mikem> ubotu is dumb
[04:26] <ubotu> ntfsprogs: (tools for doing neat things in NTFS partitions from Linux), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.9.4-2 (breezy), Packaged size: 171 kB, Installed size: 448 kB
[04:26] <ubotu> __mikem: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:26] <me2win> THERE WE GO!!!
[04:27] <CellaDoor> ubotu ignore him
[04:27] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, CellaDoor
[04:27] <CellaDoor> :P
[04:27] <CellaDoor> ubotu good bot
[04:27] <ubotu> :)
[04:27] <__mikem> CellaDoor you do realize ubotu is nothing more than a script
[04:27] <trpr42> taking a computer organization class. a project was to write software that encoded / decoded base64 so i know a bit more than i would like to about it :\
[04:27] <CellaDoor> of course
[04:28] <CellaDoor> Do you realise Windows sucks ?
[04:28] <__mikem> Yup
[04:28] <me2win> crxyem: no, you can mount with samba, ntfsmount is something diff
[04:28] <CellaDoor> hehe
[04:28] <__mikem> WIndows is the shitz
[04:28] <__mikem> but a lot of the software i run is only available for windows and most of it can't be made to run on wine
[04:29] <d3si> nico@ubuntu:~$ sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:29] <d3si> Password:
[04:29] <d3si> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-nico" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[04:29] <d3si> Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
[04:29] <d3si> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[04:29] <d3si> nico@ubuntu:~$
[04:29] <d3si> how can i solve that problem ?
[04:29] <d3si> its also after reboot
[04:29] <CellaDoor> __mikem: stop using shareza, cause now you can have apollon :D
[04:29] <me2win> !pastebin
[04:29] <ubotu> rumour has it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar :)
[04:30] <__mikem> CellaDoor don't worry
[04:30] <crxyem> me2win: just checked the wiki on it seems like a nice prog, so using samaba I should be safe to read and write files to a mounted ntfs share via samba
[04:30] <CellaDoor> tis good
[04:30] <me2win> crxyem: yeah
[04:30] <me2win> d3si: use sudo nano
[04:31] <__mikem> me2win I didn't know you could mount file systems with samba I thought it was for network shares only
[04:31] <CellaDoor> as a certain tv character played by Robin Williams used to say
[04:31] <CellaDoor> nano nano
[04:31] <crxyem> k, just wanted to be certain, I'm not going to corrupt anything as I am still dual/booting my laptop, and don't want to convert my 2 servers over to linux as of yet
[04:31] <__mikem> VMware is a lot more feasable than doul boot if you are using a laptop
[04:32] <me2win> __mikem: i dont think you MOUNT filesystems with samba, i think you just make them available to share
[04:32] <me2win> like, open them for sharing
[04:32] <kameron> __mikem, how is that? a lappy dual boots just fine
[04:32] <__mikem> oh, thats what I thought
[04:32] <me2win> i think it still mounts them in fstab and stuff
[04:32] <d3si> k thx
[04:32] <me2win> d3si: did that work?
[04:33] <__mikem> kameron I suppose, but setting it up is nightmarish
[04:33] <kameron> __mikem, newb
[04:33] <CellaDoor> oh I love this, a nice giFT client for KDE... *makes mental note to tell apollon's developers I kiss their feet*
[04:33] <d3si> yes it works
[04:33] <__mikem> true, I am, but I am not new to computers
[04:33] <crxyem> well, I have winxp installed for a while now, I've been checking out K/Ubuntu for a while now every so often, so I'm slowly converting over, and it's gotta be seemless because my wife uses the laptop as well
[04:33] <__mikem> crxyem you have seen the light
[04:34] <__mikem> and you are being drawn torwards it
[04:34] <me2win> d3si: nice
[04:34] <d3si> thx again
[04:34] <me2win> crxyem: yeah, i have 4 300gb HDs all NTFS, so its important i keep them protected with that program ntfsmount
[04:34] <crxyem> lol, yes I've seen it for a while , started with redhat , but never got hooked untill Kubuntu
[04:34] <me2win> d3si: np
[04:35] <kameron> __mikem, i was just bugging you man :P
[04:35] <__mikem> me2win I didn't think you could do mounts with samba, but someone said something a while back that I was unsure of
[04:35] <__mikem> kameron no worries
[04:35] <CellaDoor> crxyem: not redhat... deadrat
[04:35] <me2win> __mikem: ive never used samba to be honest
[04:35] <__mikem> we use it a lot for our networked printers
[04:35] <normal1> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-security_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:35] <crxyem> same boat, I've got two systems on with 3-400GB drive, the other with 2-120gb all ntfs
[04:35] <trpr42> you are talking about mounting a windows drive on linux to write to it? smbmount //someserver/someshare /some/mount/point
[04:35] <trpr42> doesn't get any easier
[04:35] <normal1> ^ what do i do about that
[04:36] <me2win> __mikem: yeah, ive just been lucky so far that nobody hasneeded to print yet while im in linux, lolz cuz my comp is only one with a printer
[04:36] <__mikem> me2win as long as the printer is shared form a windows machine, accessing it in ubuntu isn't that hard to do
[04:36] <crxyem> trpr42: exactly, I just know natively linux does not support full ntfs read-write
[04:37] <__mikem> ubuntu has a utility that helps you set up the share
[04:37] <crxyem> I've got the shares all set up and mounted, I was streaming mp3's to amarok last night
[04:37] <trpr42> the share isn't being set up in linux.. the share belongs to windows. we are "mapping a network drive" in window speak
[04:38] <__mikem> yes
[04:38] <__mikem> I am aware
[04:38] <__mikem> but you have to tell linux about the share
[04:38] <crxyem> yes I get that sa well
[04:38] <__mikem> obviously for it to use it
[04:38] <trpr42> you use smbmount.. or you add a line to fstab and specify the filesystem type as smbfs
[04:38] <__mikem> oh trpr42 were you talking to me or crxyem
[04:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there
[04:38] <__mikem> hey
[04:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i have another question
[04:39] <crxyem> yeah I went the fstab route
[04:39] <trpr42> __mikem: sorry. my train of thought is all over the place.. confusing myself.. wasn't talking to you afterall lol
[04:39] <me2win> lolz
[04:40] <me2win> is nmap an ip scanner?
[04:40] <__mikem> there are two conversations going on in here both about network shares
[04:40] <__mikem> its hard to keep track
[04:40] <trpr42> me2win: it will do that
[04:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> sometimes when i execute an heavy task the system goes out of memory
[04:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and then in swapping
[04:40] <crxyem> you know I liked ubuntu when I first checked it out about a year ago, but man I just love Kubuntu, KDE > Gnome
[04:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> however the AUTOKILL of the out of memory application happens after several minutes
[04:41] <__mikem> crxyem I aggree, but I don't like the way Kubuntu has KDE configured
[04:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there a way to reduce this time in which the system is completely unusable?
[04:41] <__mikem> TallialKubuntu kubuntu has a "Runaway Task Killer" utility
[04:42] <crxyem> hmm __mikem, enlighten me, I haven't really used any other distro beside fedora latley , what could be better for KDE in Kubuntu
[04:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> __mikem: how it is called?
[04:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i know that in kde there's a plugin
[04:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but it doesn't work really well
[04:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> when the system is in swapping he has difficulties and goes in swapping too :(
[04:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> __mikem: is there something i don't know?
[04:43] <__mikem> NO, I was refering to the kde plugin
[04:43] <crxyem> Tallia1Kubuntu:: there's an applet you can add to the panel to catch runaway processes
[04:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but there's a low lever program too that do the same thing
[04:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> particularly MATLAB has a memory leaking and when i am using it for some time the memory is exhausted
[04:44] <gqed76> in gnome my CDs auto mounted..how do i get that working in KDE
[04:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but after a couple of minutes of crunching (sometimes more) it is killed by the SO
[04:45] <__mikem> Sorry, I had a major nusence on my end
[04:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> gqed76: use an applet called
[04:45] <crxyem> well, be back later, time to boot back to Kubuntu, some more configuring to do,
[04:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> storage media
[04:45] <me2win> what applet catches runaway processes, i need that?
[04:45] <me2win> crxyem: cya later
[04:46] <crxyem> hey thanks for the info, I'll brb after the boot
[04:46] <__mikem> its called "Runaway Process Catcher"
[04:46] <gqed76> do i need to update my sources list from the one breezy came with
[04:46] <__mikem> its a kde plugin
[04:46] <gqed76> i couldnt find knaptic
[04:46] <__mikem> I wonder if theres a gnome equivilant
[04:46] <CellaDoor> hey guys
[04:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> someone does know anything more?
[04:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> do know*
[04:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> about the memory handler
[04:46] <CellaDoor> Media player could not be loaded... Please install the KDE multimedia-video package to enable the media player.
[04:47] <CellaDoor> can anyone tell me what thats called on the repos ?
[04:47] <__mikem> !multimedia-video
[04:47] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!   Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, __mikem
[04:48] <me2win> !lart CellaDoor
[04:48] <__mikem> ubotu sit bot
[04:48] <ubotu> __mikem: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:48] <CellaDoor> ooh
[04:48] <__mikem> !lart me2win
[04:49] <me2win> alright, i dunno wtf that means...
[04:49] <__mikem> lol it would be nice if I knew what that command meant
[04:49] <me2win> !renie
[04:49] <ubotu> What?   At night, the ice weasels come.
[04:49] <__mikem> lol
[04:49] <CellaDoor> lol
[04:49] <__mikem> you not me
[04:50] <__mikem> ubotu dum bot
[04:50] <ubotu> __mikem: Not a clue.    Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:51] <CellaDoor> lol
[04:51] <crxyem> so, here's a q ,for anyone, I've always used winamp with a plugin called album list, anyone familiar with it, I like amaroK but can't get it to build a databases via my samba share
[04:51] <__mikem> ubotu duck
[04:51] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, __mikem
[04:51] <CellaDoor> ubotu evil
[04:51] <ubotu> CellaDoor: Do they come in packets of five.  Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[04:51] <me2win> ubotu fucks
[04:51] <ubotu> me2win: Wish I knew.  Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, __mikem
[04:52] <CellaDoor> honest
[04:52] <__mikem> ubotu is evil
[04:52] <ubotu> __mikem: Did you get hit by a windmill?  Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:53] <__mikem> damnit
[04:53] <crxyem> so , what's the favorite for running windows progs in linux, ie.. things like taxcut which will never have linux support
[04:53] <__mikem> !wine
[04:53] <crxyem> that's what I thought
[04:53] <__mikem> ubotu tell crxyem about wine
[04:54] <crxyem> but I hear alot about VMware these days
[04:54] <__mikem> VMware is good but you still actually have to buy windows
[04:54] <CellaDoor> Adept has been crashing on me a bit lately
[04:54] <CellaDoor> buy windows ?
[04:54] <CellaDoor> thou blasphemer
[04:55] <CellaDoor> ban him
[04:55] <me2win> omfg
[04:55] <me2win> who uses digg?
[04:55] <CellaDoor> digg ?
[04:55] <crxyem> I digg it
[04:55] <__mikem> someone make ubotu hit me
[04:55] <__mikem> please
[04:55] <me2win> !digg
[04:55] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, me2win
[04:55] <me2win> bah
[04:55] <me2win> digg is a website
[04:55] <CellaDoor> !lart __mikem
[04:55] <CellaDoor> :D
[04:55] <__mikem> ouch
[04:55] <CellaDoor> hahaha
[04:55] <__mikem> thats nasty
[04:55] <me2win> its like social bookmarking
[04:55] <crxyem> I have a copy of windows why would I need to buy it to use VMWare
[04:55] <me2win> amazing tech website
[04:55] <CellaDoor> ubotu is nasty
[04:55] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, CellaDoor
[04:55] <__mikem> oh, if you have windows
[04:56] <me2win> they are getting a new commenting system, which looks AMAZING
[04:56] <__mikem> you don't need to buy it
[04:56] <CellaDoor> ubotu just went feral
[04:56] <ubotu> CellaDoor: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:56] <crxyem> but you's still say wine correct
[04:56] <CellaDoor> I'm sure its not lifechanging
[04:56] <__mikem> wine is the best there is, but its not relyable
[04:56] <__mikem> personally I recomend you use vmware
[04:56] <CellaDoor> you mean reliable
[04:56] <__mikem> but you have to realize what vm ware actually is
[04:57] <crxyem> don't know much about it
[04:57] <Thedek> With Dapper, what folder should I put firmware in, /lib/firmware?
[04:57] <crxyem> an emulator ?
[04:57] <__mikem> no
[04:57] <__mikem> it simulates an entire workstation environment through hardware
[04:57] <__mikem> its literally a virtual piece of hardware
[04:58] <crxyem> so it's a resource hog
[04:58] <__mikem> once you create a virtual machine with vmware you have to install the os on that virtual machine just like you would a real one
[04:58] <__mikem> no its actually prety good about rescources
[04:59] <crxyem> so I'd need vmware, with a copy of winxp istalled on it, then I can install , say taxcut
[04:59] <__mikem> well, what you do is, you get vmware server (which is free by the way)
[04:59] <me2win> crxyem: __mikem CellaDoor what states do you guys live in? or what country?
[04:59] <__mikem> florida
[04:59] <crxyem> CT, USA
[04:59] <__mikem> then you create whats called a virtual machine
[04:59] <crxyem> I see
[04:59] <me2win> __mikem: oh thats right you told me that earlier
[05:00] <__mikem> which is essentially a couple of very large files one of which represents the virtual hard disk
[05:00] <__mikem> then you use vmware to "boot" that virtual machine as a "guest opperating system'
[05:01] <crxyem> I see, so I need a lot of disk space I presume
[05:01] <__mikem> no
[05:01] <__mikem> you can control the size of your virtual disk and make it as small is you nee dit
[05:01] <crxyem> wow, so it sounds like the cats meow in the long run
[05:01] <__mikem> id recomend having atleast 20 gigs free
[05:01] <CellaDoor> me2win: I live in middle earth
[05:02] <__mikem> I use vm ware to run linux under windows, and that works fine and I think thats actually the ideal setup
[05:02] <CellaDoor> me2win: well, near it... australia actually
[05:02] <crxyem> well, when I ditch the winxp partition I'll have the room, but right now /root has 600mb free, and /home has 5Gb free
[05:02] <me2win> CellaDoor: lol
[05:02] <me2win> CellaDoor: you live in Gondor?
[05:03] <CellaDoor> no
[05:03] <CellaDoor> the faraway lands
[05:03] <__mikem> crxyem you can install vmware on windows and run ubuntu with it also
[05:03] <__mikem> which I recomend
[05:03] <me2win> The Shire?
[05:03] <CellaDoor> noo
[05:03] <me2win> Rohan?
[05:03] <CellaDoor> the undying lands
[05:03] <me2win> ...?
[05:03] <me2win> uhh
[05:03] <me2win> that elf place?
[05:04] <__mikem> ?????????
[05:04] <CellaDoor> no
[05:04] <crxyem> why not the other way around, vmware in linux, to run windows
[05:04] <CellaDoor> er
[05:04] <me2win> i give up CellaDoor
[05:04] <me2win> lol
[05:04] <CellaDoor> me too
[05:04] <me2win> !ubotu lotr
[05:04] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, me2win
[05:04] <me2win> !ubotu gondor
[05:04] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, me2win
[05:05] <CellaDoor> see thats just rude
[05:05] <CellaDoor> how can someone not give a bot info on lotr
[05:05] <me2win> lol
[05:05] <__mikem> crxyem if something happens to your virtual machine, you may end up having to buy a new license key for winxp, you probably won't have this problem if you do it my way
[05:05] <crxyem> I see
[05:05] <__mikem> especially since linux is a lot less forgiving when it comes to user error
[05:06] <__mikem> than windows is
[05:06] <me2win> lol
[05:06] <me2win> w3rd
[05:06] <CellaDoor> that is true
[05:07] <crxyem> well, in the long run I really don't need windows, except for one or two programs, like taxcut, to do my taxes ,so like once year
[05:07] <farous> ok any one know of a good exam generation package for latex or lyx ?
[05:07] <CellaDoor> I remember when I was a total n00b and I was using fedora... I was logged in as root and forgot and tried to use evolution email and it popped up a dialogue that said something like, "running evolution as root is dumb"
[05:07] <__mikem> crxem, you should try to find linux equivilents of those programs
[05:08] <__mikem> like for instance openoffice 2.0 is just as good as MSWord. Infact even on my xp box I use OpenOffice
[05:08] <me2win> lol
[05:08] <crxyem> got openoffice
[05:09] <__mikem> yup, just an example though
[05:09] <crxyem> taxcut , don't know of an equivalent
[05:09] <me2win> is there a way to scan for ips using a wireless router?
[05:09] <__mikem> Try googling "Tax Anylisis software for Linux"
[05:09] <crxyem> good idea
[05:09] <me2win> !alternative
[05:09] <ubotu> hmm... alternative is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[05:09] <me2win> try there
[05:09] <me2win> crxyem:
[05:10] <__mikem> or you can do that
[05:10] <__mikem> lol
[05:10] <crxyem> how about an idea for this one,
[05:10] <crxyem>  so, here's a q ,for anyone, I've always used winamp with a plugin called album list, anyone familiar with it, I like amaroK but can't get it to build a databases via my samba share
[05:10] <me2win> not farmiliar with it
[05:10] <__mikem> they are probably not compatible with eachother
[05:11] <crxyem> I can play my music and see it in the files tab, but not the collection tab
[05:12] <__mikem> I use Kaffine here
[05:12] <crxyem> i'll give that a go
[05:12] <__mikem> I find amaroK to be to procarious
[05:13] <CellaDoor> I use kaffeine mainly for dvd
[05:13] <__mikem> Actually Now I use RealPlayer for linux
[05:13] <__mikem> look at your http access logs
[05:14] <me2win> ?
[05:14] <__mikem> your system should keep a log of everything going on including all the ip addresses
[05:14] <__mikem> you just need to find them
[05:14] <me2win> well, lets say my neighbors have a wireless router, and i want to know the ip of the machines behind it
[05:15] <crxyem> well what's the ip of the router
[05:15] <me2win> <IP_ADDRESS>? lol
[05:16] <__mikem> Well, you know that the ip address will always start with <IP_ADDRESS> you are actually very close to our router
[05:16] <__mikem> ours is 192.168.0.x
[05:16] <crxyem> ehhh am I your neighbor, lol, most likeley his system are in the range of *.*.*.0 -255
[05:17] <me2win> lol
[05:17] <crxyem> to scan that network, you'd have to be logged onto that router to do a scan
[05:17] <__mikem> I am not entirely sure but a packet sniffer might work also
[05:17] <__mikem> because the packets should contain that information in order for it to work at all
[05:17] <__mikem> I believe they do
[05:18] <crxyem> packet sniffer might do it, but I'm pretty sure the traffic will all show up as the gw address
[05:18] <__mikem> it would be my first try
[05:18] <__mikem> even though youd will see a lot of garbage data
[05:19] <__mikem> garbage in the sence that its not what you are looking for
[05:19] <crxyem> true
[05:20] <__mikem> but as you said you would need to be logged in to the router and have access to the log files to do a streight forward query
[05:20] <crxyem> I'm sure there are some tools avaliable for cracking WEP and WPA wireless routers, probably easier that route
[05:20] <crxyem> the you could browse the nework easily
[05:20] <__mikem> Yeh, but theres plenty of software out there that is designed to pery those kinds of programs
[05:22] <__mikem> oops my laptop is starting to overheat (I kind of have it on my bed right now)
[05:22] <me2win> wierd
[05:22] <me2win> bah, what was the last thing you guys got from me
[05:23] <crxyem> hey were does thunderbird store it's profiles , ie windows ,docs and settings>username>application data> yada yada yada,
[05:23] <__mikem> he recomended cracking the Web Encryption Key for the Wireless roughter
[05:23] <me2win> ah
[05:23] <__mikem> using some kind of tool
[05:23] <me2win> what if i have a mac address for it?
[05:23] <__mikem> and just leaching on to their service
[05:23] <crxyem> still need to hack the router
[05:23] <__mikem> yes, but I would like to avoid hacking anything
[05:24] <__mikem> hacking is considered an act of terrorism and you can get into a lot of trouble
[05:24] <crxyem> maybe more options with the mac address, not to sure tho
[05:24] <crxyem> true
[05:24] <crxyem> so anyone know were tbird stores user data in linux
[05:24] <__mikem> nope
[05:25] <crxyem> ah found it
[05:25] <__mikem> cool
[05:26] <crxyem> it was in "/home/user/.thunderbird"
[05:26] <__mikem> interesting
[05:26] <me2win> damnit
[05:26] <me2win> i keep getting d/c
[05:26] <me2win> lol
[05:26] <__mikem> id try changing id's to avoid any more occurances
[05:26] <Dasnipa`> heeh
[05:27] <me2win> lol
[05:27] <__mikem> whats funny
[05:27] <me2win> ok so, one more time. what if i have a mac address
[05:29] <crxyem> just curious why do you need to know what Ip address are being used ?
[05:29] <__mikem> wow, good question
[05:29] <me2win> lolz
[05:29] <__mikem> maybe he wants to block the ip address
[05:29] <__mikem> thats the only lagit reason I can think of
[05:29] <me2win> __mikem:  nailed it
[05:30] <__mikem> thanks
[05:30] <__mikem> might I ask why though?
[05:31] <me2win> setting up a file server
[05:31] <me2win> for my brothers computer
[05:31] <__mikem> I can imagine where this is going
[05:31] <me2win> but i know for sure there are alot of wifi devices in the area
[05:31] <me2win> and i just wanna make sure people stay out
[05:32] <__mikem> yes, and someone might try to pigyback
[05:32] <me2win> yeah
[05:32] <__mikem> so you want to prevent this
[05:32] <me2win> indeed
[05:32] <__mikem> funny thing, my cousin had only a dialup connection
[05:32] <__mikem> but there was a hotspot for a really fast wireless network right near his window
[05:33] <me2win> heh
[05:33] <__mikem> so to avoid using their dialup, when I was over, we would pigyback on that and he would enjoy lightning fast speed
[05:33] <me2win> haha
[05:33] <me2win> makes sense
[05:33] <__mikem> yup
[05:33] <__mikem> worked well to
[05:33] <me2win> im sure
[05:33] <me2win> i had a friend
[05:33] <me2win> at Baylor University
[05:33] <me2win> when i went there
[05:33] <me2win> he lived off campus
[05:34] <me2win> but l33ched wifi from his neighbors
[05:34] <__mikem> how?
[05:34] <me2win> same way
[05:34] <me2win> piggybacking
[05:34] <__mikem> oh, I get it
[05:34] <__mikem> and meanwhile his neighbors are wondering whats taking up all their bandwidth
[05:35] <me2win> lol yeah same thing here
[05:35] <__mikem> lol nice
[05:35] <me2win> which sucks for comcast subscribers
[05:35] <__mikem> i can imagine
[05:35] <me2win> cuz they have limited bandwith dont they?
[05:35] <__mikem> I suppose
[05:35] <__mikem> It just sucks in general for anyone who doesn't have high speed internet
[05:35] <me2win> yeah
[05:36] <__mikem> Id recomend first setting up a firewall
[05:36] <__mikem> on your brothers end ofcourse
[05:37] <me2win> yeh
[05:37] <__mikem> is there any reason why hed be accepting requests of any kind, because if there isn't, you can probably set the router not to allow more than one person loged in at a time
[05:38] <__mikem> or set the firewall in any event
[05:38] <me2win> nah, he wouldnt be
[05:38] <__mikem> and thats really a simpler way then trying to block individual ip addresses
[05:38] <__mikem> good so there you go
[05:38] <me2win> tr00
[05:39] <gamma> wow @ amarok.. did you know there's a manage files feature that autorenames files based on id3 data and you can set the folder icons to the album cover?
[05:39] <__mikem> brb thirsty
[05:39] <me2win> __mikem: aight
[05:39] <me2win> gamma: yeah
[05:39] <me2win> gamma: ive never used it though
[05:39] <__mikem> ok back
[05:39] <gamma> i directly transfered files off my ipod where are 5 random letters and found that came in handy
[05:40] <gamma> then i used it for all my music so i sorted it by Music/firstletterofartist/artistname/album/track - track name
[05:41] <__mikem> !lark ubotu
[05:41] <gamma> one of the many reasons i'm glad i switched to kde from gnome
[05:41] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, __mikem
[05:41] <me2win> lol
[05:41] <me2win> !lart __mikem
[05:41] <__mikem> !lart me2win
[05:41] <__mikem> ouch
[05:42] <me2win> lolz
[05:42] <__mikem> lol
[05:42] <crxyem> !lart crxyem
[05:42] <crxyem> lol
[05:43] <me2win> lol
[05:43] <__mikem> ouch
[05:43] <__mikem> he busts out the rm
[05:43] <__mikem> heres a better one
[05:43] <__mikem> sudo rm -r ~
[05:43] <me2win> lolz
[05:43] <me2win> !love __mikem
[05:43] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, me2win
[05:43] <__mikem> me2win thats nastey
[05:44] <me2win> hmm, i thought maybe it would do that snowmobile thing with you except in a bad way
[05:44] <me2win> lol
[05:44] <me2win> !love
[05:44] <ubotu> Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath.  At night, the ice weasels come.
[05:44] <gamma> http://home.cfl.rr.com/gamma/images/sortpwn.png gotta love it
[05:44] <__mikem> it used to have a really nice definition of microsoft but one of the op's deleted it
[05:44] <normal1> does anyone use proxychains here ?
[05:45] <__mikem> nope
[05:45] <normal1> =\
[05:45] <__mikem> is that where you are browsing the internet through several layers of proxies
[05:45] <__mikem> proxys rather
[05:45] <__mikem> ?
[05:46] <gamma> sounds like it
[05:47] <gamma> ProxyChain Download Page tool that conceals your IP address through multiple chains of proxy servers.
[05:47] <gamma> aka tinfoil hat mode
[05:47] <__mikem> Yeh, I gathered that much
[05:47] <crxyem> well, catch you l8r, I'm off
[05:48] <__mikem> bye
[05:48] <me2win> cya crxyem
[05:49] <__mikem> I think I will tern in also
[05:49] <__mikem> I am getting tired
[05:49] <__mikem> nice talking
[05:50] <me2win> heh
[05:50] <me2win> alright
[05:50] <me2win> cya later __mikem
[05:55] <stupendo44> what's the easiest way to extract/convert .sit files?
[06:05] <me2win> !sit
[06:05] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, me2win
[06:05] <me2win> not usure stupendo44
[06:05] <stupendo44> huh?
[06:07] <me2win> im not sure
[06:09] <GullyFoyle> whwt's the command to see what version of a program is in the repo?
[06:10] <me2win> in the repo or on your comp?
[06:10] <GullyFoyle> if i wanna install it but i wanna know what version it's going to install
[06:11] <Hobbsee> GullyFoyle: apt-cache show
[06:11] <GullyFoyle> ah thanks
[06:11] <Hobbsee> or packages.ubuntu.com
[06:11] <Hobbsee> either work
[06:15] <Crowbar> what horrible things would happen to me if i changed breezy to dapper in sources.list and did a dist-upgrade?
[06:16] <Hobbsee> Crowbar: you'll be arrested, taken away to a retraining camp, and windows will be installed on your computer, and your linux disks (all of them) will be destroyed.
[06:16] <Crowbar> Hobbsee: Oh, then i'll still with breezy.  wouldn't want to risk having to run widnows again...
[06:17] <Hobbsee> hehehe
[06:17] <Hobbsee> !+upgrade
[06:17] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to dapper Please test the dist-upgrader -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-January/014700.html
[06:17] <Hobbsee> Crowbar: in all seriousness, it's *much* safer to install off a dapper cd, but you can dist-upgrade as well with that tool
[06:18] <Hobbsee> and make sure you install kubuntu-desktop first!
[06:18] <Crowbar> Hobbsee: I'm  running kubuntu but i assume you mean to make sure i have the meta-package installed?
[06:18] <Hobbsee> Crowbar: yep
[06:19] <Steil> Hobbsee: do you know if the amarok 1.4 beta1 is built with the ipod plugin?
[06:19] <Hobbsee> Steil: got no idea, i dont have an ipod, and i dont have amarok 1.4 beta1 on my sysetm
[06:19] <Hobbsee> although i should go and install it!
[06:19] <Steil> ahh hehe sorry for the bother
[06:20] <Steil> 1.4 looks nice
[06:20] <Hobbsee> !amarok1.4
[06:20] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Hobbsee
[06:20] <Hobbsee> darn
[06:20] <Steil> only problem is, can't get my bloody ipod working
[06:20] <Hobbsee> :(
[06:24] <Steil> boy do I hate my laptop too
[06:25] <Steil> usb drives decide to not work at random times
[06:25] <mustard5> does kubuntu use different sources.list from ubuntu?
[06:26] <mustard5> I'm just trying to answer a question on the forums with regards to installing GIMP
[06:26] <mustard5> I would have thought GIMP was installed by default
[06:27] <mustard5> I sort of know the answer myself, but I'm having a moment of confusion :)
[06:28] <Hobbsee> mustard5: no, they use the same
[06:28] <Hobbsee> repos, that is
[06:28] <mustard5> yeah I thought that was the case
[06:28] <Hobbsee> gimp is a GTK applicatoin, and is therefore not installed
[06:28] <mustard5> ah ok
[06:28] <Hobbsee> the dependancies for kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop are different
[06:28] <_michael> kubuntu is officially part of the ubuntu project mustard5
[06:28] <_michael> funny eh
[06:29] <mustard5> so this guy reckons he did sudo apt-get install gimp    and got nothing
[06:29] <mustard5> _michael, yeah..as I say I'm having a 'moment' here :)
[06:29] <mustard5> heheh
[06:31] <me2win> anybody know of a way to use a program's dcop options without loading that program up itself
[06:34] <Hobbsee> mustard5: ask to check his repos - check that he hastn commented them all out or something similar
[06:35] <GullyFoyle> you need to install the x-devel packages or whatever
[06:35] <mustard5> Hobbsee, yeah..I'll do that, thanks
[06:35] <GullyFoyle> oops wrong window lol
[06:35] <Hobbsee> hehe @ GullyFoyle - i think you want to call up !xincludes
[06:38] <mustard5> so where is the sources.list in kubuntu?   /etc/apt/ ?
[06:39] <mustard5> hehe
[06:39] <mustard5> I feel stupid for asking these questions :)
[06:39] <mustard5> I think I'm asking the obvious :D
[06:39] <robotgeek> mustard5: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesCliHowto
[06:40] <Hobbsee> !repos
[06:40] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[06:40] <Hobbsee> mustard5: /etc/apt/sources.list, yeah
[06:40] <mustard5> robotgeek, ok..so its no different from one to the other :)
[06:40] <robotgeek> mustard5: same as ubuntu, :)
[06:40] <mustard5> I got it...I having a 'senior moment' here :)
[06:41] <robotgeek> heh
[06:41] <mustard5> dementia setting in ;)
[06:42] <Hobbsee> lol
[06:47] <GullyFoyle> i've just compiled and installed fluxbox .9.14 now how do i add it to the login manager?
[06:49] <chrono> hello
[06:50] <pulver> anyone using vsftpd? created some virtual users and login with them but running 'ls' gives '200 PORT command successful. 150 Here comes the directory listing. 226 Transfer done (but failed to open directory).' permission issues?
[06:50] <JUDGE> is there a way to set windows so they scale and fit all resolutions... im using kubunu at 1024 X 768 .. and there are MANY panels where I cant see the bottom.. cant find a way to display the whole thing.. or scroll it. HELP
[06:50] <robotgeek> JUDGE: alt + drag
[06:51] <Thedek> seth:  you there?
[06:51] <mustard5> robotgeek, hmm interesting..I was having the same problem on puppy linux yesterday...I wonder if that would work on puppy
[06:51] <seth> Thedek, hi
[06:51] <robotgeek> mustard5: the alt + drag?
[06:51] <mustard5> robotgeek, yeah
[06:51] <JUDGE> ? .. that moves the whole window.. what im wondering is if kubuntu menus are MADE for higher resolutions than 1024.. or is it bad design?
[06:52] <robotgeek> JUDGE: known bug, hopefully be fixed soon
[06:52] <Thedek> Heya... just wanted to let you know, with raphinks help I built your synergy 1.2.7 off of revu and installed it, but did have a weird problem with it, not sure how I'm supposed to let you know about it. =)
[06:52] <pulver> GullyFoyle: did you create a /usr/share/xsessions/fluxbox.desktop?
[06:52] <Hobbsee> JUDGE: work around is to use kcontrol not system settings
[06:52] <robotgeek> Thedek: isn't the one in the repos working?
[06:52] <seth> hehe, what problem did you have?
[06:53] <seth> it's working fine here, but I haven't tested it too much
[06:53] <Thedek> Yeah, 1.2.2 works alright, but there are a bunch of client fixes in 1.2.7
[06:53] <JUDGE> hmm... weird.. but ty for help ... really annoying bug to say the least..
[06:53] <robotgeek> JUDGE: i feel your pain :)
[06:53] <JUDGE> TY hobbsee.... the
[06:53] <Thedek> When using the 1.2.7 build, whenever I hit shift, KDE brings up some accessability screen.  Just fyi. =)
[06:53] <JUDGE> "control center" does scroll it
[06:53] <Hobbsee> indeed - i much prefer kcontrol
[06:53] <seth> Thedek, hmm
[06:54] <Thedek> I removed 1.2.7, went to 1.2.2 and the problem went away, went back to 1.2.7 and it re-appeared immediately.
[06:54] <GullyFoyle> pulver: no i did not
[06:54] <Thedek> It 'thought' I was actually hitting shift-insert, but was only hitting shift.
[06:55] <Thedek> this is using a logitech bluetooth keyboard, btw.
[06:56] <seth> Okay, thanks for the report
[06:56] <seth> I have a logitech rf keyboard, I'll see if I can reproduce it
[06:56] <seth> tell me your client - server situation real fast?
[06:56] <JUDGE> quick question... is the menu size problem only in kubuntu? I tried ubuntu.. and can't remember having that problem
[06:56] <Thedek> server on a windows xp box, client on the latest dapper with kde 3.5.1
[06:56] <pulver> GullyFoyle: well you should have at least one .desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions/ ..just create a similar one for fluxbox with the Exec= pointing to fluxbox (ex /usr/bin/fluxbox)
[06:57] <Thedek> Didn't try the server in the package (either of them), just the client (synergyc)
[06:57] <GullyFoyle> pulver: mmkay i'm lookin at the file now
[06:57] <Thedek> launched with the standard synergyc 192.168.1.xxx
[06:58] <seth> thanks
[06:58] <seth> probably a wonky ini setting that ships by default
[06:58] <seth> I'll play
[06:58] <Thedek> Cool.  I'm just learning about packages and want to learn more, anything I can do to help test or learn, I'm in. =)
[07:01] <seth> Thedek, synergy#1389333 says win-server[1.2.7client]  shift is broken
[07:02] <seth> it'll be fixed in 1.2.8 looks like
[07:02] <seth> I'll package when it's done
[07:03] <Thedek> strange, i also run 1.2.7 on two windows servers, and don't have problems with shift at all.  The bug was in windows/linux config.
[07:03] <echdev> hrm, what's a good IDE for C development?
[07:03] <seth> Kdevelop
[07:04] <echdev> ive always used gnome, still learning my way around kde :)
[07:04] <seth> Thedek, do both shift keys break?
[07:04] <Thedek> Not sure, I'll have to check with my roommate tomorrow (he has the win/lin setup).  He just went to bed.
[07:05] <Thedek> I know it was breaking with the left shift, so I'll check on right-shift.
[07:05] <Thedek> what's the best way to get back to you, just here?
[07:06] <seth> yeah, I'm here all the time
[07:06] <seth> or seth@ubuntu dot com
[07:07] <Thedek> Cool.  Thanks.  I'll try out the right-shift and get back with ya.
[07:07] <seth> no worries
[07:08] <Thedek> Night... gotta sleep.  Got a 2 hour drive in 6 hours. =/
[07:10] <GullyFoyle> pulver: yeah dude, it worked, i am now running the latest devel of fluxbox and it's in my kdm menu. woohoo
[07:11] <pulver> GullyFoyle: nice :)
[07:12] <GullyFoyle> i compiled and installed it from .tar.gz and it woked flawlessly
[07:12] <GullyFoyle> worked*
[07:14] <pulver> havent used flux.. but some of the screenshots looks cool
[07:15] <GullyFoyle> it's fast and kde apps work fine
[07:15] <blanky> hello
[07:15] <blanky> i instlaled kubuntu-desktop, and when it asked me if i wanted to use kdm or gdm, i said gdm, but now I'd like to use kdm, is there a way to change?
[07:16] <GullyFoyle> i like the wheel scroll changes desktop feature
[07:16] <Hobbsee> hi blanky
[07:16] <blanky> hello Hobbsee
[07:16] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get install kdm && sudo dpkg-configure kdm
[07:16] <Hobbsee> i think
[07:16] <blanky> okay thanks
[07:16] <blanky> dpkg-configure: command not found lol
[07:18] <Hobbsee> might be dpkg-reconfig
[07:18] <Hobbsee> ure
[07:18] <pulver> GullyFoyle: yeah i think it's possible on most de's/wm's
[07:18] <Hobbsee> darn enter key
[07:21] <blanky> :( guess it wont work
[07:21] <robotgeek> blanky: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[07:21] <blanky> i'll try
[07:22] <blanky> i think it worked! :D
[07:23] <blanky> jorge@blank:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[07:23] <blanky> Password:
[07:23] <blanky> Reloading K Display Manager configuration...kdm not running.
[07:23] <blanky> sorry for pasting, I forgot :(
[07:23] <robotgeek> blanky: i think you are done :)
[07:23] <Hobbsee> use sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm then
[07:23] <blanky> Hobbsee, so I have to do that instead? kdm didn't work? i'll try
[07:24] <Hobbsee> it gives you a nice blue screen that lets you pick which one you want to start at boot, and you hit kdm
[07:24] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:24] <blanky> yay it works :)
[07:24] <Hobbsee> yay!  so i remembered it correctly then
[07:24] <blanky> it says changes will take effect when all current x sessions have ended
[07:24] <blanky> :) Thanks Hobbsee
[07:25] <Hobbsee> no problems
[07:31] <wotnarg> What is a best way to pass a null pointer to a function? Passing 0 acts like an int.
[07:31] <wotnarg> peer
[07:31] <wotnarg> wrong channel :p
[07:31] <blanky> wotnarg, what?
[07:32] <wotnarg> I moved irc tabs without noticing, sorry.
[07:32] <blanky> void function(void *var), and then function(NULL) wont work?
[07:32] <blanky> oh well
[07:32] <wotnarg> well, the function is asking for a pointer to an object, but I want to pass it nothing. :P
[07:35] <blanky> object *pointer; object *pointer = NULL; that wont work?
[07:35] <blanky> then pass 'pointer'
[07:35] <blanky> anyways, sorry I couldn't help, I'm out bye bye
[08:08] <sniff> rammstein by rammstein - amazing
[08:08] <sniff> so macabre though :(
[08:24] <icicled> what filesystem do you folks recommend for everyday desktop use ?
[08:25] <thoreauputic> icicled: ext3 is fine
[08:25] <Hobbsee> reiserfs is the other one that people seem to like using
[08:25] <me2win> icicled: ext3
[08:26] <patrix> ext3 has the advantage that it's almost exactly like ext2, so readable by more operating systems (if you're multibooting, say, winxp, freebsd, linux, like I was doing)
[08:26] <patrix> and ext2 can be resized by partition magic (again, was useful for me a few days ago ;)  )
[08:28] <me2win> ext3 isnt resizable?
[08:28] <icicled> i thought just about every filesystem was resizable (using qtparted)
[08:29] <patrix> heh dunno
[08:29] <patrix> I didn't see any "resize" option in qtparted
[08:29] <patrix> so I used partition magic to resize, but I only have PM7.0 which can resize ext2, not ext3
[08:29] <patrix> no clue if the more recent ones can recognize/resize ext3
[08:29] <icicled> right click and should be a bunch of properties, only available if all the required tools are installed though
[08:30] <patrix> maybe I was missing all those tools
[08:30] <icicled> i've got a hold of a 250gb sata drive, i wanna install windows (for games) and then linux for desktop
[08:30] <patrix> probably stuff like ext2resize etc eh?
[08:38] <me2win> !ports
[08:38] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, me2win
[08:38] <me2win> !por
[08:38] <ubotu> me2win: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:38] <me2win> !port
[08:38] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, me2win
[08:38] <me2win> !netstat
[08:38] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, me2win
[08:42] <Ardarandir> moin
[09:00] <pussfeller> why does konqy keep asking for my sftp password every time i change dirs
[09:00] <pussfeller> or just about
[09:01] <me2win> are you changing into r00t owned dir?
[09:02] <pussfeller> clicking that password dialog is getting annoying
[09:29] <me2win> do you need apache to run PHP/mySQL scripts?
[09:42] <me2win> im out, cya
[09:50] <me2win> !info mysql-server-4.1
[09:50] <ubotu> mysql-server-4.1: (mysql database server binaries), section universe/misc, is optional. Version: 4.1.12-1ubuntu3.1 (breezy), Packaged size: 16929 kB, Installed size: 37968 kB
[09:50] <me2win> !info mysql-client-4.1
[09:50] <ubotu> mysql-client-4.1: (mysql database client binaries), section universe/misc, is optional. Version: 4.1.12-1ubuntu3.1 (breezy), Packaged size: 845 kB, Installed size: 1876 kB
[09:52] <Tonio_> lo
[10:16] <KaoticEvil> anyone know why "sudo ifup wlan0" would freeze my computer?
[10:17] <bubblenut> Hi, what alternative to rc.local is there on debian based distros?
[10:18] <bubblenut> I've come across a few "make rc.local on debian" kind of articles but I was just wandering what the standard "debian way" is
[10:18] <richard2> how descompress file.tar.bz2
[10:18] <bubblenut> tar -jxvf filename
[10:18] <richard2> thanks
[10:19] <bubblenut> It's the -j option which unzips bziped files
[10:20] <richard2> thanks bubblenut
[10:22] <visik7> KaoticEvil: attach syslog to a serial port and show what it says
[10:23] <KaoticEvil> visik7: to a serial port?
[10:23] <visik7> yes a serial port rs232
[10:23] <visik7> 9 or 25 pin
[10:23] <visik7> you know ?
[10:25] <KaoticEvil> i have no serial ports
[10:25] <KaoticEvil> and the interface in question is a PCI device... a wireless NIC
[10:25] <visik7> mmm
[10:25] <visik7> I read
[10:25] <KaoticEvil> and im well aware of what a serial port is ;)
[10:25] <visik7> serial console helps you to see what happen
[10:25] <KaoticEvil> i was questioning your attachment of syslog to a com port
[10:26] <visik7> serial port == com port
[10:26] <KaoticEvil> again, well aware ;)
[10:26] <visik7> ok
[10:26] <KaoticEvil> ive been working on computers for the last 16 years or so...
[10:26] <visik7> oook
[10:26] <visik7> :)
[10:26] <visik7> btw
[10:27] <KaoticEvil> i just dont understand why bringing up a wireless connection would freeze my computer... it only started doing this the other day
[10:27] <KaoticEvil> and its a TOTAL lockup... no inputs accepted at all... i have to do a hard-reboot
[10:27] <visik7> u can try to keep open a console with syslog and dmesg tailed and run ficonfig wlan0 up on another and see what happen
[10:28] <[Vampis] > KaoticEvil: Is it KDE? Mine does that to, it works for a few minutes then the entire compurer freezers, just like you describe
[10:28] <[Vampis] > Hard reboot
[10:28] <KaoticEvil> [Vampis] , no, it does it with gnome as well
[10:28] <visik7> KaoticEvil: what wireless driver do u use ?
[10:28] <[Vampis] > ok
[10:28] <[Vampis] > thats wired
[10:28] <KaoticEvil> and its only when i bring it up...
[10:28] <Kaiser_Away> KaoticEvil: are you using ndis wrapper?
[10:28] <[Vampis] > Ok, mine works for a few minutes
[10:28] <KaoticEvil> Kaiser_Away, yeah, i am
[10:29] <Kaiser_Away> that's why you hard lock
[10:29] <KaoticEvil> Kaiser_Away, it only started this 2 or 3 days ago
[10:29] <[Vampis] > KaoticEvil: Same here, has worked perfect before
[10:29] <Kaiser_Away> KaoticEvil: done a dist-upgrade in the last few days?
[10:29] <KaoticEvil> it worked fine for about a week or so
[10:29] <Kaiser_Away> upgraded ndis/driver? etc?
[10:30] <KaoticEvil> neither of those were upgraded...
[10:30] <KaoticEvil> i did an initial upgrade afer install, had no problems at all
[10:30] <Kaiser_Away> kernel upgrade?
[10:30] <KaoticEvil> nope
[10:30] <[Vampis] > KaoticEvil: what kind of wlan do u have ?
[10:30] <[Vampis] > card i meen
[10:30] <KaoticEvil> err. wait, yes..
[10:30] <KaoticEvil> there is a new kernel... i see grub everyday.. lol
[10:30] <Kaiser_Away> lol
[10:31] <Kaiser_Away> try booting your old keren and see if it does the same locks
[10:31] <[Vampis] > hm, how do u check kernel version in the console? forgot the command
[10:31] <KaoticEvil> never thought of that.. heh
[10:31] <Kaiser_Away> if it doesnt file a bug on it
[10:31] <Kaiser_Away> uname -a
[10:31] <[Vampis] > thanks
[10:31] <[Vampis] > I have http://www.torrentbytes.net/browse.php
[10:31] <[Vampis] > oups
[10:31] <[Vampis] > fucking paste
[10:31] <Kaiser_Away> lol
[10:31] <[Vampis] > 2.6.12-10-686
[10:31] <[Vampis] > Theres my kernel ver.
[10:31] <[Vampis] > wich one do you have KaoticEvil ?
[10:31] <KaoticEvil> i believe mine is the same
[10:32] <[Vampis] > Hm, seem's thats our problem then
[10:32] <KaoticEvil> 2.6.12-10-386
[10:32] <KaoticEvil> and as for my card, its an airnet awd154
[10:32] <Kaiser_Away> 3 and 686.
[10:32] <KaoticEvil> marvell chipset
[10:33] <KaoticEvil> im gonna try that...
[10:33] <[Vampis] > ok, I think theres Intel chipset in mine, Ibm thinkpad t41
[10:33] <KaoticEvil> oh, and while im at it...
[10:33] <KaoticEvil> is there another way to refresh a wireless device thats lost connectivity besides ifdown/ifup ?
[10:34] <Kaiser_Away> *shrug*
[10:34] <[Vampis] > Kaiser_Away: Do you think I should try to go back to linux-image-2.6.12-9-686 instead ?
[10:34] <KaoticEvil> something akin to "ipconfig /release ipconfig /renew" ?
[10:34] <[Vampis] > KaoticEvil: I use sudo dhclient ath0 to do that
[10:34] <Kaiser_Away> [Vampis] : try it out, and if you stop crashing, then it's launchpad/malone time for you
[10:35] <[Vampis] > Kaiser_Away: whats launchpad/malone time ?
[10:35] <[Vampis] > :)
[10:35] <Kaiser_Away> [Vampis] : malone is the bugtracker :)
[10:35] <[Vampis] > Aha
[10:35] <Kaiser_Away> launchpad is where it's served
[10:35] <[Vampis] > =)
[10:36] <KaoticEvil> ok, well, im gonna try changing kernels.. brb
[10:36] <Kaiser_Away> k
[10:36] <Kaiser_Away> :)
[10:36] <[Vampis] > I'll try it @ home l8:er... I use cable now i school so :)

[10:36] <[Vampis] > To bad I didnt save the old kernel :P
[10:36] <Kaiser_Away> lol.
[10:37] <Kaiser_Away> download it again (if you have bandwidth)
[10:37] <[Vampis] > and Kaotic should be back in a few, so I can ask him if it worked for him ;)
[10:37] <[Vampis] > Kaiser_Away: Bandwith aint a problem :)
[10:37] <[Vampis] > 17mbit @ home and 100mbit @ school :)
[10:37] <Kaiser_Away> lol. fine
[10:38] <Kaiser_Away> spoild brat :P back in my day!
[10:38] <[Vampis] > LOL
[10:38] <[Vampis] > Back in my days i had 56k modem :;P
[10:38] <[Vampis] > So dont preach ;)
[10:38] <Kaiser_Away> fwiw i'm 19, so "back in my day" is just total bull shit ;)
[10:38] <[Vampis] > LOL
[10:38] <[Vampis] > ok, thank god I'm older then ;)

[10:39] <Kaiser_Away> classic
[10:39] <[Vampis] > I started with 56modem... then 0.5 mbit ADSL.. then 8mbit, and now 17
[10:39] <[Vampis] > :D
[10:39] <[Vampis] > Going in the right direction :)
[10:39] <Kaiser_Away> lol.
[10:39] <Kaiser_Away> i went from 33k -> 56 and i got stuck at 256
[10:40] <Kaiser_Away> still there :/
[10:40] <[Vampis] > The one that have the most bandwith when he dies wins
[10:40] <[Vampis] > *grin*

[10:40] <[Vampis] > Kaiser_Away: where are you from ?
[10:40] <Kaiser_Away> my mate beats bot of us atm - he's got 20GIGABIT at work :(
[10:40] <Kaiser_Away> *both
[10:40] <[Vampis] > Damn, thats not fair :P
[10:40] <Kaiser_Away> Australia
[10:40] <Kaiser_Away> lol. no kidding
[10:41] <[Vampis] > australia, nice :)
[10:41] <Kaiser_Away> it's not even funny :(
[10:41] <Kaiser_Away> yeh :)
[10:41] <[Vampis] > I want to live there for about a year or so :)
[10:41] <Kaiser_Away> (well, mostly :D)
[10:41] <CarstenP> how can i see if i have breezy or dapper?
[10:41] <Kaiser_Away> CarstenP: cat /etc/issue, or look in the hhelp file
[10:41] <[Vampis] > CarstenP: If you have to ask you shouldnt run ubuntu :P
[10:41] <[Vampis] > ;)
[10:41] <Kaiser_Away> lol now now [
[10:41] <[Vampis] > KaoticEvil: well? Brief me :)
[10:41] <Kaiser_Away> * [Vampis]
[10:41] <Kaiser_Away> wb ka
[10:41] <KaoticEvil> works fine now...
[10:41] <Kaiser_Away> wb KaoticEvil
[10:41] <[Vampis] > Kaiser_Away: sorry ;)
[10:41] <Kaiser_Away> :)
[10:41] <KaoticEvil> ty Kaiser_Away
[10:42] <Kaiser_Away> np
[10:42] <Kaiser_Away> np
[10:42] <[Vampis] > KaoticEvil: Nice
[10:42] <[Vampis] > :D
[10:42] <Kaiser_Away> :D
[10:42] <KaoticEvil> so... now what? lol
[10:42] <[Vampis] > Now I'm going to install it then :)
[10:42] <Kaiser_Away> KaoticEvil: head over to http://launchpad.net/malone
[10:42] <CarstenP> Kaiser_Away: thanks
[10:42] <Kaiser_Away> then search for the bug to see if it exists already
[10:42] <KaoticEvil> first of all.. ho do i change the default boot option in grub?
[10:42] <Kaiser_Away> if it doesnt, file it
[10:42] <CarstenP> [Vampis] : yeah hmm, i forget things fast.
[10:42] <Kaiser_Away> KaoticEvil: sudo vi /boot/grub/menu.list
[10:42] <KaoticEvil> ah, cool
[10:42] <Kaiser_Away> then change the , um
[10:43] <KaoticEvil> i can do it in lilo...
[10:43] <Kaiser_Away> just a tic, I'll check ;)
[10:43] <Kaiser_Away> default         0
[10:43] <[Vampis] > LOL, I'm trying to print, Cant open pipe to process ;)
[10:43] <Kaiser_Away> ^ set that to 3 IIRC
[10:43] <Kaiser_Away> no, 2 i think
[10:43] <Kaiser_Away> [Vampis] : print in what?
[10:43] <[Vampis] > to the printer :P
[10:43] <[Vampis] > But Its working now
[10:43] <Kaiser_Away> *in* what :P
[10:43] <[Vampis] > :)
[10:44] <Kaiser_Away> ok :)
[10:44] <[Vampis] > ah, in mousepad... but i changed to kedit
[10:44] <[Vampis] > :)
[10:44] <Kaiser_Away> check the printer settings
[10:44] <KaoticEvil> err... /boot/grub/menu.list is a new file...
[10:44] <Kaiser_Away> if it just says "lp" make it "|lp"
[10:44] <Kaiser_Away> no i in list
[10:44] <Kaiser_Away> sorry :/
[10:44] <Kaiser_Away> menu.lst
[10:44] <[Vampis] > =)
[10:44] <KaoticEvil> ah, ok :)
[10:44] <Kaiser_Away> :D
[10:45] <[Vampis] > there, installing :)
[10:45] <Kaiser_Away> :D
[10:46] <[Vampis] > KaoticEvil: u installed the 2.6.12-9 ?
[10:47] <KaoticEvil> [Vampis] : twas already installed.. came on my breezy cd
[10:47] <[Vampis] > But wich kernel you run now ?
[10:47] <[Vampis] > When the wlan works
[10:47] <KaoticEvil> 2.6.12-9, yes
[10:47] <[Vampis] > *downloading headers*
[10:48] <Kaiser_Away> du...du hast... du hast mich....
[10:48] <KaoticEvil> and it has been posted already
[10:48] <KaoticEvil> apparently, it doesnt affect flight 3 of dapper///
[10:48] <KaoticEvil> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.12/+bug/28998
[10:49] <[Vampis] > rebooting, brb
[10:50] <Kaiser_Away> reading
[10:51] <Kaiser_Away> hopefully there will be a fix soon then
[10:51] <KaoticEvil> from what i gather, dhclient does the same thing as i was doing (ifdown/ifup), only on one line, instead of 2
[10:51] <KaoticEvil> well, apparently, it doesnt affect Dapper...
[10:51] <KaoticEvil> i may get a live cd and try it :)
[10:52] <KaoticEvil> i dont really want to go with a beta OS however...
[10:52] <[Vampis] > there
[10:52] <[Vampis] > Hm, It booted faster with the -9 kernel
[10:52] <KaoticEvil> [Vampis] : same here...
[10:52] <Hobbsee_away> KaoticEvil: what's the problem?
[10:53] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee_away: "sudo ifup wlan0' causes a hard lock on kernel 2.6.12-10
[10:53] <Kaiser_Away> KaoticEvil: if it doesnt work on Breezy 'upgrade to dapper' is not an ok answer in this case
[10:53] <Hobbsee_away> KaoticEvil: eww.
[10:53] <Kaiser_Away> the shiped kernel worked, the new one doesnt, it's got to be fixed
[10:53] <KaoticEvil> Kaiser_Away: it works fine on 2.6.12-9, however
[10:53] <Hobbsee_away> what about a sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart?
[10:54] <Kaiser_Away> KaoticEvil: yeh. you said :)
[10:54] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee_away: no clue... didnt try it
[10:54] <[Vampis] > I'm not instaliing dapper until the release in april
[10:54] <KaoticEvil> didnt know about it, for that matter ;)
[10:54] <KaoticEvil> [Vampis] : same here...
[10:54] <Hobbsee_away> KaoticEvil: that just restarts the network from the /etc/network/interfaces file
[10:54] <Hobbsee_away> like it does on boot
[10:54] <Hobbsee> [Vampis] : hehe - it's not ebil!
[10:54] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee: let me reboot with the -10 kernal and try that...
[10:54] <Hobbsee> yep
[10:54] <[Vampis] > Hobbsee: huh? come again?
[10:55] <Hobbsee> evil
[10:55] <Hobbsee> dapper
[10:55] <[Vampis] > ah
[10:55] <[Vampis] > :)
[10:55] <KaoticEvil> brb
[10:55] <Kaiser_Away> networking uses ifup and ifdown i notice
[10:55] <[Vampis] > But If he get a lockdown, he cant restart the network ?
[10:56] <Hobbsee> [Vampis] : that'd be before the lockdown
[10:56] <[Vampis] > ah
[10:56] <Kaiser_Away> marvel
[10:56] <[Vampis] > But the same bug was reported, so we aint alone :)
[10:56] <Hobbsee> if it's ndiswrapper, he may be using the wrong drivers
[10:56] <Hobbsee> [Vampis] : which bug report was this?
[10:57] <[Vampis] > https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.12/+bug/28998
[10:57] <[Vampis] > That one
[10:57] <Hobbsee> and was this just using a sudo ifup wlan0, or with going from kcontrol/system settings and enabling it from there as well?
[10:57] <[Vampis] > dunno
[10:58] <[Vampis] > But my wlan works for a few minutes, then i get a lock, and got to do hard reboot
[10:58] <[Vampis] > with the -10 kernel
[10:58] <Hobbsee> [Vampis] : which drivers?
[10:58] <[Vampis] > dunno, the one that was installed with the systems :P
[10:58] <[Vampis] > but I havent had any problems with it, until the -10 kernel
[10:59] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[10:59] <Hobbsee> and ever had any problems with it
[11:00] <[Vampis] > Hobbsee: damn, girl linuxuser, hardly sees that in sweden :/
[11:00] <Hobbsee> looks like i only ever had -9
[11:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:01] <Kaiser_Away> [Vampis] : hens teeth in Australia
[11:01] <[Vampis] > Trying to convert my fianc to linux, but no success P:
[11:01] <[Vampis] > :P
[11:01] <kameron> the command to start a new x sesson is "startx -- :1" right?
[11:01] <Kaiser_Away> :D
[11:01] <[Vampis] > :)
[11:01] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart works fine
[11:02] <[Vampis] > kameron: looks right, yes
[11:02] <Hobbsee> KaoticEvil: hmmm...well that's itneresting
[11:02] <kameron> [Vampis] , i'm just getting weird errors.
[11:02] <KaoticEvil> i figured it would, as it works on boot... just not if i ifdown/up it
[11:02] <Kaiser_Away> so if up/down is ok, but ifconfig is not?
[11:02] <Hobbsee> KaoticEvil: i'm not sure if you should add it into the bug report, that that command works
[11:02] <[Vampis] > /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 -xf86config xorg.conf.tv -depth 24 -auth /var/gdm/:1.Xauth vt8 &
[11:02] <Kaiser_Away> oh, wtf
[11:03] <[Vampis] > Thats how I start a new X-session with my tvout script
[11:03] <Kaiser_Away> KaoticEvil: the network restart file uses iifup/ifdown
[11:03] <Hobbsee> Kaiser_Away: which is what i thought!
[11:03] <KaoticEvil> Kaiser_Away: it does?
[11:03] <kameron> that doesn't really help me though does it [Vampis]  ? :P
[11:03] <Hobbsee> glad to see that i'm not going crazy!
[11:03] <[Vampis] > kameron: :P
[11:03] <KaoticEvil> ok.. i didnt know...
[11:03] <Kaiser_Away> KaoticEvil: yes!
[11:03] <Kaiser_Away> lol Hobbsee
[11:03] <kameron> [Vampis] , and why are you using gdm? no kdm?
[11:04] <[Vampis] > kameron: oups, that was the old script from when i used gnome :P
[11:04] <kameron> oh :P
[11:04] <[Vampis] > thanks for noticing though ;)
[11:04] <KaoticEvil> i do notice something odd tho...
[11:04] <[Vampis] > Hobbsee: Yes you are going crazy, convincing
[11:05] <[Vampis] > ;)
[11:05] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:05] <KaoticEvil> wait one, and ill pastebin the output from ifdown...
[11:05] <Kaiser_Away> KaoticEvil: are you sure your wireless is being turned on at boot?
[11:05] <KaoticEvil> its different in -9 and -10
[11:05] <KaoticEvil> Kaiser_Away: considering the fact that im online right now, yes, i am :)
[11:05] <[Vampis] > =)

[11:05] <KaoticEvil> and i dont get any errors when it synchs the clock with the time server
[11:05] <Hobbsee> well, you could have used the restart line from before...
[11:06] <KaoticEvil> brb
[11:07] <Kaiser_Away> i don't understand this line" ifdown -a --exclude=lo || true"
[11:07] <Kaiser_Away> do this or true?
[11:07] <Kaiser_Away> wwhats true o_0
[11:07] <Hobbsee> Kaiser_Away: IIRC it means all interfaces down, except for lo
[11:08] <Kaiser_Away> hm. i can sorta see why thta could be the case
[11:10] <KaoticEvil> wierd
[11:11] <[Vampis] > what ?
[11:11] <Hobbsee> KaoticEvil: what's weird?
[11:11] <KaoticEvil> when i did ifdown this time, it didnt show the same output...
[11:11] <Kaiser_Away> lol.
[11:11] <Hobbsee> what did it show?
[11:12] <KaoticEvil> before, i said something about there was already a PID file, and that it killed the PID and removed the file
[11:13] <samoura> hello need help
[11:13] <Kaiser_Away> hi samoura
[11:13] <Kaiser_Away> KaoticEvil: intersting, but not earth shatering :)
[11:14] <[Vampis] > Hobbsee: which country r u from =?
[11:14] <KaoticEvil> Kaiser_Away: on this system, when things change unexpectedly, it *is* earth shattering...
[11:14] <Kaiser_Away> lol
[11:14] <KaoticEvil> this is a wierd system to begin with..
[11:14] <Kaiser_Away> samoura: ask here please
[11:14] <KaoticEvil> hp pavilion :P
[11:14] <Kaiser_Away> :)
[11:14] <Kaiser_Away> ew.olol
[11:14] <KaoticEvil> modified ;)
[11:14] <KaoticEvil> hey, it was free :P
[11:14] <Kaiser_Away> no excuse :P
[11:15] <KaoticEvil> and better than no system at all.... altho not by much :P
[11:15] <KaoticEvil> could be worse.. could be an emachine ;)
[11:15] <Kaiser_Away> :S
[11:16] <KaoticEvil> ok, well, if nothing else, ive got a work-around... for both kernels :) and at that, ive got to get some sleep... work early in the a.m....
[11:16] <KaoticEvil> thanks Kaiser_Away and Hobbsee
[11:16] <KaoticEvil> later all :)
[11:16] <Hobbsee> [Vampis] : sydney
[11:17] <[Vampis] > Hobbsee: aha, much australian ppl in here :P
[11:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:17] <Kaiser_Away> [Vampis] : we are taking over :D
[11:17] <[Vampis] > much ppl to visit if I go to australia then :P
[11:18] <pulver> so how is the weather over there
[11:19] <[Vampis] > pulver: Tror du dom blir buttra om man pratar svenska ? :)
[11:19] <pulver> [Vampis] : hehe frmodligen
[11:20] <samoura> samoura@dhcppc0:~/Desktop/psotnic_new$ ./psotnic conf.hub
[11:20] <samoura> bash: ./psotnic: No such file or directory
[11:20] <samoura> ;(
[11:20] <Hobbsee_away> samoura: well, use ls to find out if you are in the right directory
[11:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> did i quit with a message?
[11:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> or just disapear?
[11:21] <Hobbsee_away> [21:17]  <-- Kaiser_Away has left this server (Remote closed the connection).
[11:21] <samoura> samoura@dhcppc0:~/Desktop/psotnic_new$ ls
[11:21] <samoura> cfg-examples  FEATURES   LICENSE              psotnic-0.2.5-linux.tar.gz  TODO
[11:21] <samoura> CHANGELOG     framework  psotnic-0.2.5-linux  README
[11:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks Hobbsee_away
[11:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> back in 20
[11:22] <samoura>  samoura@dhcppc0:~/Desktop/psotnic_new$ ./psotnic conf.hub   bash: ./psotnic: No such file or directory
[11:22] <samoura> WHY?
[11:22] <samoura> #ubuntu
[11:23] <_jocke> got problems playing mediafiles. I have checked and all the packages seems to be installed but still I can't play even mp3 with noatune, amarok or kaffeine. any ideas what could be wrong?
[11:23] <[Vampis] > damn, now the swede's are taking over ;)
[11:23] <[Vampis] > *looking @ _jocke and pulver *
[11:23] <[Vampis] > ;)
[11:24] <_jocke> =)
[11:24] <[Vampis] > u australians wont dominate no more!!!
[11:24] <[Vampis] > *laughs* :)
[11:24] <CarstenP> someone told me to get the packages at nightlies.videolan.org . What does he mean by that?
[11:34] <ubijtsa2> hmmm.. loads of swedes someone said?
[11:35] <[Vampis] > well, thre
[11:35] <[Vampis] > _jocke pulver and myself :P
[11:35] <[Vampis] > :)
[11:35] <ubijtsa2> although I have lived in .uk for over 9 years
[11:36] <[Vampis] > oh, nice
[11:36] <[Vampis] > :)
[11:36] <ubijtsa2> men jag snackar fortfarande svenska :)
[11:36] <[Vampis] > Jo man brukar ju inte glmma bort sitt modersml :)
[11:36] <ubijtsa2> depends how much/little you use it
[11:37] <[Vampis] > Thats true
[11:37] <[Vampis] > :)
[11:37] <ubijtsa2> I struggle at times to find words when talking swedish
[11:37] <[Vampis] > thinking of going to england on a weekend
[11:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[11:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> it takes me a weekend to get there!
[11:37] <ubijtsa2> if I were to spend a couple months in .se it should improve
[11:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> btw. were there still people after help?
[11:37] <[Vampis] > Kamping_Kaiser: *lol*
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> :
[11:38] <Hobbsee_away> hmm?
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[11:38] <Hobbsee_away> ah
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Hobbsee_away :D
[11:38] <Hobbsee> heya
[11:38] <ubijtsa2> lo Hobbsee
[11:38] <Hobbsee> hi
[11:38] <[Vampis] > wb
[11:38] <[Vampis] > ubijtsa2: you moved bacuase of a job or a woman ? ;)
[11:39] <Hobbsee> samoura: you need to be in the correct directory to run psotnic conf.hub
[11:39] <ubijtsa2> [Vampis] : uhm.. woman :)

[11:39] <[Vampis] > :D
[11:39] <ubijtsa2> I didn't have a job to go to, and no job to leave, so wasn't hard choice to move :)
[11:40] <[Vampis] > nope :)
[11:40] <[Vampis] > ubijtsa2: so what do u do for a living ?
[11:40] <ubijtsa2> took me a few months to get a job at first..
[11:40] <Hobbsee> [Vampis] : just watch us!
[11:40] <ubijtsa2> [Vampis] : I am a QA engineer for McAfee
[11:41] <[Vampis] > oh, nice
[11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> o-0
[11:41] <[Vampis] > :)
[11:41] <[Vampis] > Hobbsee: I know where u live!!
[11:41] <[Vampis] > eeh
[11:41] <[Vampis] > ;)
[11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[11:42] <[Vampis] > Hobbsee: lol
[11:42] <ubijtsa2> mcafee is alright :) I run performance tests most of the time..
[11:42] <Hobbsee> samoura: please do not private message people without permission.  just ask in the main channel
[11:42] <arkubuntu> ,mh
[11:42] <_jocke> I will try vlc. later! =)
[11:42] <samoura> samoura@dhcppc0:~/Desktop/psotnic_new$ ./psotnic-0.2.5-linux cfg-examples/conf.hub
[11:42] <samoura> Psotnic C++ edition, version 0.2.5 (Jul 17 2005 20:38:53)
[11:42] <samoura> Copyright (C) 2003-2005 Grzegorz Rusin<EMAIL_ADDRESS>gg:0x17f1ceh>
[11:42] <samoura> [-]  cfg-examples/conf.hub:1: no such variable ^h(Ib
[11:42] <samoura> [-]  cfg-examples/conf.hub:2: no such variable ecIb
[11:42] <samoura> [-]  cfg-examples/conf.hub:3: no such variable u
[11:42] <[Vampis] > Hobbsee: you got an admirer ? *looking @ samoura * ;)
[11:42] <samoura> [-]  cfg-examples/conf.hub:4: no such variable Y
[11:42] <ubijtsa2> !pastebin
[11:42] <samoura> [-]  cfg-examples/conf.hub:5: no such variable #gm8IbQr[mPW
[11:42] <ubotu> rumour has it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar :)
[11:43] <samoura> [-]  cfg-examples/conf.hub:6: no such variable zOSMrdM'
[11:43] <samoura> [-]  Nick is not set
[11:43] <samoura> [-]  Failed to load config
[11:43] <samoura> :?
[11:43] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[11:43] <Hentai^XP> ubijtsa how will mcaffee work fine if I run under LUA?
[11:43] <ubijtsa2> Hobbsee: beat ya to it :)
[11:43] <ubijtsa2> Hentai^XP: LUA?
[11:43] <Hentai^XP> ....
[11:43] <Hobbsee> damn!
[11:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[11:43] <Hobbsee> was supposed to be "DO NOT PASTE!"
[11:43] <Hentai^XP> PASTE

[11:44] <Hentai^XP> ubijtsa Limited privs User Account
[11:44] <Hobbsee> samoura: read the topic, and do not paste!
[11:44] <samoura> okei can you help me than ?
[11:44] <[Vampis] > h0h0h0
[11:44] <ubijtsa2> Hentai^XP: I don't work with the user (desktop) stuff, I work on the appliance side
[11:44] <[Vampis] > women with power ;)
[11:44] <Hobbsee> [Vampis] : hehe
[11:44] <Hentai^XP> ubijtsa appliance side?
[11:45] <[Vampis] > :)
[11:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> phear t3h Hobbsee111!
[11:45] <CarstenP> how can i access the packages at nightlies.videolan.org ?
[11:45] <[Vampis] > :D
[11:45] <ubijtsa2> yeah.. Secure Content Manager appliance, inline scanning of protocols
[11:46] <Hentai^XP> Secure Content ?
[11:46] <DaveQB> my install has stopped at the same stage twice now on this one particular machine
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> which is?
[11:46] <DaveQB> the Configuring apt..... stage
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> CarstenP: what's there?
[11:46] <CarstenP> Kamping_Kaiser: some stuff to update my vlc to get the .mkv files playing
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> DaveQB: contacting the mirrors can take ages
[11:46] <Hobbsee> samoura: i dont know, you may need to read any readme's on the site where you got the program, or find out how/where it's supposed to run
[11:47] <DaveQB> hmmm ,  Kamping_Kaiser i have never had it take this long before, 30 mins ??
[11:47] <Hobbsee> might leave that on for a while - chanserv tends to lag...
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> DaveQB: i had 15 minutes IIRC, not sure abotu 30
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[11:47] <DaveQB> Kamping_Kaiser: any process i should check is running ??
[11:47] <DaveQB> Kamping_Kaiser: yeah its awhile
[11:47] <Hentai^XP> ubijtsa secure content?  I don't see how ......... screw it
[11:48] <Hentai^XP> wait
[11:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> CarstenP: deb http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/Breezy-i386 / <- it's on the page
[11:48] <DaveQB> Kamping_Kaiser: anyway to kill the apt setup and continue on ?? going to use a custom config for apt anyway
[11:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> DaveQB: I'm having trouble visulising where your error is. :/
[11:48] <Hentai^XP> ubijtsa know where I can get a list of virus or trojans in excutables?
[11:48] <DaveQB> Kamping_Kaiser: its at 25% "configuring apt... "  Retrieving installtion reps"
[11:48] <ubijtsa2> Hentai^XP: having all http scanned for AV inline, without user having to do anything..
[11:49] <Hentai^XP> ^^
[11:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> DaveQB: it took 15 minutes on a 512k internet connection
[11:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> ish
[11:49] <ubijtsa2> Hentai^XP: uhm.. AVERT might have one, but I don't have access to them
[11:49] <DaveQB> Kamping_Kaiser: anyway to kill that part and carry on ???  ps ax | grep apt and kill its process
[11:49] <DaveQB> Kamping_Kaiser:  on 1.5 Mbit here
[11:49] <Hentai^XP> well if you don't have access to them than I probably don't either ubijtsa
[11:49] <ubijtsa2> Hentai^XP: in Ubuntu, you can install ClamAV or F-Prot for AV scanning
[11:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> DaveQB: i would kill it then
[11:50] <Hentai^XP> ubijtsa I use windows
[11:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> thres heaps you can use on ubuntu
[11:50] <DaveQB> Kamping_Kaiser: would the install continue ?? i dont see grub installed, but the rest of the system seems ok
[11:50] <ubijtsa2> Hentai^XP: bless you
[11:50] <Hentai^XP> what for?
[11:50] <DaveQB> having only a quick look
[11:50] <Hentai^XP> I don't need no blessing
[11:50] <ubijtsa2> or should I pass on my condoleances ;)
[11:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> DaveQB: your still on stage 1?
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> install should contine fine afaik
[11:51] <Hentai^XP> you needn't do anything
[11:51] <ubijtsa2> Hentai^XP: I takes a brave man to admin using the dark side
[11:51] <ubijtsa2> admit even :)
[11:51] <Hentai^XP> hardly
[11:51] <DaveQB> Kamping_Kaiser: not sure of the stage numbers, hasnt rebooted yet, layed the base system out though, filled in a user, of course partitioning is done
[11:51] <CarstenP> Kamping_Kaiser: what do i have to append to the config line
[11:51] <Hobbsee> DaveQB: you can always try, and isntall over the top if you have a problem
[11:51] <DaveQB> Kamping_Kaiser:  just kill instances of apt in the ps ax list ?
[11:51] <CarstenP> Kamping_Kaiser: breezy main? or universe multiverse ?
[11:52] <DaveQB> Hobbsee:  yeah have, this is my second try
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> DaveQB: kill the first one
[11:52] <Hentai^XP> so you have no idea where I might be able to get a list ubijtsa ?  or do you have any emails you can send me with trojans or viruses?
[11:52] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[11:52] <DaveQB> Kamping_Kaiser:  first apt instance ??  ok, cheers
[11:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> CarstenP: paste that exact line into your sources list
[11:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol Hentai^XP, that sounds sus
[11:53] <CarstenP> Kamping_Kaiser: oh there was a space! sorry, didnt see that at first
[11:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. np.
[11:54] <ubijtsa2> Hentai^XP: I will _not_ aquire and share out virii.. I don't work on that side of the company anyway.. I am in QA, not AVERT or engine design
[11:54] <Hentai^XP> viruses
[11:54] <Hentai^XP> hat that word
[11:54] <Hentai^XP> Kamping_Kaiser its for testing only
[11:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hentai^XP: sure, but you gota admit it sounds sus as :)
[11:54] <Hentai^XP> true true
[11:55] <Hobbsee> Hentai^XP: i'm sure that if you visit questionable sites you should find something
[11:55] <Hentai^XP> Hobbsee wouldn't work
[11:55] <Hobbsee> with IE,  installed thru wine
[11:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: not if your looking for them :)
[11:55] <Hobbsee> good point
[11:55] <CarstenP> http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/Breezy-i386/Packages.gz = 404
[11:56] <ubijtsa2> Hentai^XP: go to eicar.org, they have a harmless vrus on their webpages
[11:56] <Hentai^XP> no I need a harmful one
[11:56] <ubijtsa2> only 84 bytes or something..
[11:56] <ubijtsa2> Hentai^XP: switch off your firewall and stick your XP box on the net for an hour - you'll have several to demo then
[11:57] <Hentai^XP> heh
[11:57] <Hentai^XP> maybe
[11:57] <_tim> hey has anyone had trouble running avidemux?
[11:57] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[11:57] <Hentai^XP> depends
[11:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/Breezy-i386/ has to be with no capital letter on Breezy CarstenP
[11:58] <frantic> I have kubuntun and an nvidia card... I dl'd the nvidia.run but it said I needed a specific kernel or something? and that there was a problem with libc?
[11:58] <CarstenP> Kamping_Kaiser: oh -- i see. stupid casesensitivity !
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> CarstenP: lol
[11:58] <frantic> for some reason i can't hit the ubuntuforums, can anyone help me out plz?
[11:59] <Hentai^XP> I know
[11:59] <Hentai^XP> www.jinx.com
[11:59] <Hobbsee> frantic: should be there - i can access it
[11:59] <_tim> hmm that site link doesnt work
[11:59] <Hobbsee> ubijtsa2: what did they do?
[11:59] <Hentai^XP> ubijtsa what do you think about windows secuirty system?
[11:59] <frantic> its not working for me
[12:00] <CarstenP> what can i do against the GPG errors (no pubkey) besides ignoring ?
[12:00] <frantic> timing out
[12:00] <ubijtsa2> Hobbsee: most virii have 3-5 attack vectors..  Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:01] <ubijtsa2> those are two virii you don't mess with
[12:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbbl. tv :)
[12:01] <buz> wtf has anyone SQL server without firewall
[12:01] <Hentai^XP> !gpg
[12:01] <ubotu> gpg is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto or http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/8746
[12:01] <Hentai^XP> might find something here ubijtsa http://astalavista.box.sk/
[12:01] <ubijtsa2> buz: far to many win installs had..
[12:01] <buz> adept-notifier is kinda weird
[12:02] <buz> it keeps telling me there are upgrades if some debs are being kept back
[12:02] <ubijtsa2> when slammer hit, it took *countries* off-line from the net
[12:02] <Hobbsee> ubijtsa2: fun
[12:03] <CarstenP> Kamping_Kaiser: thank you mkv works now !
[12:03] <ubijtsa2> Hobbsee: for the writer perhaps.. not for anyone else :)
[12:03] <Hobbsee> lol true
[12:03] <Hobbsee> well, fun to watch them go around and know that you arent effected, too
[12:03] <buz> i was kinda funny to see the ms admins go crazy that days
[12:04] <DaveQB> thanx Kamping_Kaiser i killed the apt line that had reference to the CDROM, my DVD-ROM i am using has a history of not liking CD's
[12:04] <DaveQB> thanx for the help Kamping_Kaiser
[12:05] <Hentai^XP> ubijtsa so what do you think on windows and secuirty for it?
[12:06] <buz> has anyone xgl up and running?
[12:06] <Hobbsee> !xgl
[12:06] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[12:06] <buz> i cant get the kde window decoraors to work
[12:06] <buz> and people in ubuntu-xgl seem to only use gnome
[12:06] <beast> xgl isn't fully working with kde yet
[12:07] <buz> weeeelll
[12:07] <buz> without compiz it works ;)
[12:07] <buz> with compiz some taskbars stop working
[12:07] <Russel> i hae a problem with kmail: if i want to write a message and changed the folder i looked at, i can't choose the contacts from my adressbook
[12:09] <frantic> hmmm, i installed gcc-3.4, but its missing some headers
[12:09] <frantic> like string.h
[12:11] <callie> Good morning
[12:12] <Hobbsee> hey callie
[12:13] <callie> How are you Hobbsee ?
[12:13] <Hobbsee> i'm all right - reading ubuntu forums and trying not to growl at the people
[12:13] <callie> lol
[12:14] <callie> whats annoying you?
[12:14] <Hobbsee> there's all this talk of "we need a GUI for all our networking!  we need it!  we need it!" - and then further down the page, there's talk of "network manager is horrible!  it doesnt work!
[12:14] <Dreamstar> hi guys i need a little help
[12:14] <Hobbsee> " etc etc etc
[12:15] <Hobbsee> you cant have it both ways!
[12:15] <Hobbsee> Dreamstar: ask
[12:15] <Hobbsee> !+ask
[12:15] <ubotu> ask is, like, totally, just ask. Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Information like hardware make, model, outputs of commands that you used pasted onto http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl is important. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. Keeping the question in one line makes it easier to read. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[12:15] <Dreamstar> someone can tell me how to let making "
[12:15] <Dreamstar> #-------------------------------
[12:15] <Dreamstar> # input devices
[12:15] <Dreamstar> # security => input: 644 => 600
[12:15] <Dreamstar> # else anybody logged on could read my password directly from the event device
[12:15] <Dreamstar> # associated with the keyboard...
[12:15] <Dreamstar> input/*:root:root:0600
[12:15] <Dreamstar> input/js*:root:root:0644
[12:15] <Dreamstar> argh sry wrong pasting :S
[12:15] <Hobbsee> Dreamstar: use the !pastebin
[12:16] <frantic> can anyone tell me why im missing headers in my gcc-3.4?
[12:16] <Dreamstar> Hobbsee: sry, i'd like to know how to make chmod 666 /dev/input/js0 at each startup
[12:16] <Dreamstar> frantic u need the dev packages
[12:16] <Hobbsee> uhm...
[12:16] <frantic> gcc dev packages?
[12:16] <Dreamstar> frantic yep
[12:17] <Hobbsee> run a script that goes into /etc/init.d or something?  'im not sure on that one
[12:17] <Dreamstar> Hobbsee that could be an idea, i need that chmod to let every users to use usb joystick and not only root
[12:17] <Hobbsee> ugh
[12:18] <callie> Hobbsee, not sure what they're trying to do but if you cant network something in linux then its probably not your softwares fault
[12:18] <Dreamstar> otherwise each time i have to do a chmod 666 /dev/input/js0
[12:18] <callie> Dreamstar, is there not a group for joysticks?
[12:18] <frantic> you know what its called dreamstar?