[03:21] <ubotu> Pazy: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:22] <Whitey> hi guys - I'm having a problem loging into my kubuntu fiesty 7.04 system - I reset it today and whenever I try to log in, the screen goes blank and it goes back to the login screen a few seconds later
[03:22] <Pazy> Tried all that stuff, been at this for two weeks and got nothing
[03:23] <Whitey> obviously it's KDE, and I am able to log in via shell or ssh
[03:23] <serenityUK> Whitey, I am not a KDE user but there must be some KDE logs you can find with error messages in them
[03:24] <Whitey> probably, but I'm not sure where :P
[03:24] <hwilde> Whitey, apt-get install openssh-server
[03:24] <Whitey> I've tried rm -Rfing /tmp
[03:24] <ma1> hi, my wireless network manager does not show unprotected networks, but the network settings shows them. how can i show them in network manager applet?
[03:24] <Whitey> hwilde: I'm running on my livecd here :P
[03:24] <Whitey> but I do have an sshd running when I load my OS
[03:24] <hwilde> but u can't login to it via ssh ?
[03:25] <Whitey> I can log in via ssh - I can't log in from KDE :)
[03:25] <vanberge> anybody have a way to do the 'watch now' functionality of netflix with firefox/ubuntu?  :-/
[03:25] <serenityUK> ma1, maybe try manual config..  i found mine stuck on roaming mode because of a weak signal.. try clicking choosing unprotected manually
[03:26] <ma1> serenityUK: the signal is like 93-96% simply the unprotected networks are not shown...
[03:26] <Geoffrey2> when cups is returning a printer status stating foomatic-rip failed....anyone know what the heck that means?
[03:26] <plowdawg> does anyone know of a wireless usb dongle or pcmcia card that is fully supported by ubuntu in networkmanager with wpa?
[03:26] <ma1> serenityUK: there is a security setting that disables the unprotected networks?
[03:26] <hwilde> plowdawg, I use cisco cb21ag-a-k9 and intel2200bg with wpa, but I don't use network manager...
[03:27] <plowdawg> hwilde: do you use iwconfig manually?
[03:27] <Whitey> so any other suggestions as to how I can fix my login problem on Kubuntu guys? I can mount my main partition and tail some files, however I'm not sure which to tail...
[03:27] <hwilde> plowdawg, yes and wpa_supplicant
[03:28] <plowdawg> hwilde: why don't you use network manager?
[03:28] <serenityUK> Whitey, find the log files man there must be error messages
[03:28] <Whitey> probably serenityUK, but I have no idea where to start looking for them =/
[03:28] <hwilde> plowdawg, bc it doesn't work IMHO.   there is a good howto online:   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo
[03:28] <Whitey> I'm more of a GUI user than a shell user... I'm not sure where it's all stored :P
[03:28] <plowdawg> i am trying to help my friend out with his intel 2915 (uses the ipw2200 driver that you use also)
[03:29] <plowdawg> but it is a nightmare
[03:29] <serenityUK> most are in /var/log  but you may find somehting in you home folder with a dot infront to hide it
[03:29] <hwilde> plowdawg, use wext not ipw
[03:29] <serenityUK> ls -al to list hidden files
[03:29] <plowdawg> hwilde: is that module already in the kernel?
[03:29] <hwilde> plowdawg, wext is there yes.
[03:30] <plowdawg> hwilde: should i just blacklist the ipw2220 module and then wext will load automatically at boot?
[03:31] <hwilde> plowdawg, look at the end of that link, figure out how to launch wpa_supplicant manually
[03:31] <serenityUK> Whitey, i see there is a #KDE channel maybe they can tell you where the kde error logs are.. most ubuntu users are gnome
[03:31] <Geoffrey2> no suggestions on the printer, I take it?
[03:31] <hwilde> !cups | Geoffrey2
[03:31] <ubotu> Geoffrey2: Printing in Ubuntu is done with CUPS. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[03:31] <CoasterMaster> What is a good GUI text editor for writing C programs for Ubuntu?
[03:31] <hwilde> !emacs | CoasterMaster
[03:31] <ubotu> CoasterMaster: Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[03:32] <CoasterMaster> !code
[03:32] <ubotu> Programming editors/suites: Terminal-based: vi/vim, emacs - KDE: Kate, KDevelop, Quanta+, Umbrello - GNOME: gvim, gedit, anjuta, eclipse, pida
[03:32] <Whitey> serenityUK: I found a file called /var/log/syslog, but the last thing it has recorded is when I shut it down 20 minutes ago
[03:32] <opopanax> !date
[03:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about date - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:33] <serenityUK> i know there is a folder called .kde in you home folder
[03:33] <sean> can someone help me out, its probably easy for most of you. I just bought a used external HD, and I can delete anything or add anything
[03:33] <sean> it wont let me change permissions
[03:33] <sean> even on root
[03:33] <sean> how do I delete everything?
[03:33] <hwilde> !sudo | sean
[03:33] <ubotu> sean: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:33] <sean> so its like a new external\
[03:33] <sean> where do I do that?
[03:33] <sean> in the concole im assuming?
[03:33] <ianm_> sean: is it formatted for windows?  (NTFS?)
[03:34] <sean> how can I make it drag and drop onto the external Icon i have on the desktop?
[03:34] <sean> yeah I think
[03:34] <sean> but I can see the files
[03:34] <hwilde> !ntfs | sean
[03:34] <ubotu> sean: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:34] <sean> and view them
[03:34] <hwilde> !fuse | sean
[03:34] <ubotu> sean: Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[03:34] <itFinallyWorks> could somebody help with this problem: I am trying to setup dual monitors (using mergedFB) on my toshiba A75 laptop (Radeon 9000 IGP, detected as Radeon 9100 IGP), but I can only ever get 1 monitor at a time to work.  I have followed the instructions on the Ubuntu forums as well as instructions from other places, but it still doesn't work
[03:34] <hwilde> !dualhead | itFinallyWorks
[03:34] <ubotu> itFinallyWorks: Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[03:34] <sean> I can already view them
[03:34] <hwilde> !xinerama | itFinallyWorks
[03:34] <astro76> !ntfs-3g | sean this is what you want
[03:34] <ubotu> itFinallyWorks: xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[03:34] <ubotu> sean this is what you want: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[03:34] <sean> I want to use it on ubuntu
[03:35] <sean> even If i have to start over
[03:35] <serenityUK> Whitey, i see there is a #KDE channel maybe they can tell you where the kde error logs are.. most ubuntu users are gnome
[03:35] <sean> ok I will try that ubotu
[03:35] <sean> thanks
[03:35] <Whitey> serenityUK: there's a file in there called tmp-rocky (rocky's my PC name), pointing to /tmp/kde-whiteyuwIAuG, think I should wipe it?
[03:35] <Whitey> hmmm, I thought Kubuntu support was in here too..
[03:35] <hwilde> !ty | sean
[03:35] <ubotu> sean: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[03:35] <itFinallyWorks> thanks, I am looking into it
[03:35] <hwilde> !kubuntu | Whitey
[03:36] <ubotu> Whitey: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[03:36] <seamus7> How do I set the default music player? I set a keyboard shortcut to open the default but currently it's set as Rhythmbox and I want the default to be Amarok.
[03:36] <Whitey> right, my mistake :P
[03:36] <serenityUK> !kde | Whitey
[03:36] <ubotu> Whitey: KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[03:36] <hwilde> Whitey, some things are the same between gnome and kde, but most ppl here use gnome since that is default for ubuntu
[03:37] <serenityUK> didnt help much lol
[03:37] <serenityUK> i would ask in #kde
[03:37] <serenityUK> actually i would google.
[03:38] <Whitey> I thought of googling, but I'm not sure how to word it =/
[03:38] <Whitey> KDE not loading is a bit generic :P
[03:38] <serenityUK> kde login error log
[03:38] <reitblatt> any idea why all of the feisty packages I just fetched from ubuntu.com "can't be verified"?
[03:38] <Whitey> good idea :P
[03:39] <reitblatt> fresh install
[03:39] <Whitey> oh god... this is scary =/. I'm running on a livecd, and my CD drive just ejected itself =/
[03:40] <plowdawg> Whitey: everything is running from ram right now anyway
[03:40] <Whitey> yeah I understand that, but it's still a scary thought - "running on a livecd... Oh dear, my livecd just ejected o_O" :P
[03:40] <Retnuh1974> Whitey: LOL
[03:41] <kondor101> hello all
[03:41] <MSIGuy> So, I installed wine to use utorrent, and just saved in the default location for windows in utorrent, but I can't find the file I downloaded?
[03:41] <MSIGuy> Wine creates its own directory tree doesn't it?  Where is that normally?
[03:42] <reitblatt> ~/.wine
[03:42] <CoasterMaster> MSIGuy: check ~/.wine/
[03:42] <szachista> hi
[03:42] <CoasterMaster> wine's virtual drive is in there
[03:42] <reitblatt> szachista: howdy
[03:42] <kondor101> wines directory is hidden, you need to use CTRL+H I think
[03:42] <szachista> anybody knows why i can't see images in f-spot?
[03:42] <MSIGuy> O.o  How do I get there?
[03:42] <seamus7> Where can I set the default music player?
[03:42] <CoasterMaster> yeah, either CTRL+H, or you can just type it in to naitulus
[03:42] <seamus7> szachista: have you imported them?
[03:42] <Whitey> oh god... whenever I try to visit linuxforums.org, konqueror crashes =/
[03:42] <reitblatt> MSIGuy: goto your home directory
[03:42] <szachista> i can see thumbnails, but after clicking on it there is just white space
[03:42] <Whitey> *cries*
[03:42] <reitblatt> MSIGuy: and hit ctrl-h
[03:42] <MSIGuy> Okay.
[03:43] <szachista> seamus7: hmm... yeah, but i've upgraded it sinse then, may it be the cause?
[03:43] <reitblatt> MSIGuy: a bunch of hidden files will now be shown
[03:43] <reitblatt> MSIGuy: look for one name ".wine"
[03:43] <szachista> i've upgraded f-spot*
[03:43] <serenityUK> Whitey, i read on a page that the logfile is usually /var/log/kdm.log
[03:43] <kondor101> MSIGuy,  have a look out for ktorrent too, its pretty good, i use it
[03:43] <seamus7> szachista: maybe when you upgraded the default photos folder was changed?
[03:43] <reitblatt> ktorrent++
[03:44] <MSIGuy> kondor101: I have looked at it, but its banned from my pirvate tracker.
[03:44] <szachista> try qbittorrent, it's very simmilar to ktorrent
[03:44] <MSIGuy> Well, I guess not banned, but under a beta rule, haven't looked into that more.
[03:44] <Whitey> nothing interesting in there serenityUK, just my normal video card messages :(
[03:44] <szachista> but uses qt4 :)
[03:44] <serenityUK> Whitey, it was from http://www.kde-forum.org
[03:44] <MSIGuy> Now, to find the default path for utorrent.
[03:44] <itFinallyWorks_> ok, I looked into those links somebody mentioned.  I didn't see anything new or different from what I have seen already and on the ubuntu forums.  As far as xinerama goes, I looked into that, but doesn't it not allow for open gl acceleration?
[03:45] <szachista> where f-spot keeps it's configs and thumbs? i can't finde ~/.f-spot or anything like this
[03:45] <battlecat> Can anyone tell me why my laptops harddrive light would stay on after I downloaded the updates? Even after a reboot it stays on. I checked my services and don't see anything out of the ordinary.
[03:45] <MSIGuy> Thanks everyone, found it.
[03:46] <kondor101> msiguy if you look in places at the top of your screen, you see home folder,  but you need to press CTRL+H to see wines directory as its hiden
[03:46] <kondor101> ok good :)
[03:46] <seamus7> szachista: .gnome2/f-spot
[03:46] <PalaWan> hi, is there any way to fix the terminal keystrokes? any package? any conf? I tried using emacs in a bare terminal. No emulator like konsole. C-M-a didn't work. C-Tab didn't work either. Shift is ignored when hitting C-S-something. WTF? I always bitch about winblows but every keystroke that fails in linux's console, works well on winblows =|  I've been told that console uses tab as C-i. So C-C-i can't be cause there's only one bit for
[03:47] <PalaWan> the control key but I think it's dumb and senseless to use tab as a C-i expression.  I don't think it's something THAT difficult to have a descent keys handling system. X works well when it comes to use some of these keystrokes (C-M-a is still broken in X but everything else works well. Even those keystrokes that fail miserably when working on a terminal). I hope someone can apport some help about this :)
[03:47] <Music_Shuffle> !ohmy | PalaWan
[03:47] <szachista> seamus7: thanks
[03:47] <ubotu> PalaWan: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:47] <battlecat> whats the command to force the trashcan to empty?
[03:47] <PalaWan> uh. ok, sorry
[03:47] <PalaWan> first time here
[03:48] <zerboxx> Hello all, quick question.  I've recently done a fresh ubuntu install and did a bit too much tinkering and would like to revert back to the original install.  Is there a simple way to do this? (I don't have any important files on my ubuntu partition so that's not a worry)
[03:48] <kondor101> i had the most amazing problem yesturday, when ever i tried to view a wmv file my PC turned off and would not come back on for about 5 mins, freeky, turned out it was over heating (5 yrs old) and the PSU was full of dust. amazing how it only happened when i played this wmv though :D
[03:48] <Music_Shuffle> No worries, keeping the language clean just makes it all nicer in here :)
[03:48] <seamus7> zerboxx: reinstall /
[03:48] <PalaWan> reinstall
[03:48] <serenityUK> zerboxx, try just creating another user account
[03:48] <serenityUK> zerboxx, unless you mean you changed system config
[03:49] <zerboxx> serenityUK: I sure did :D
[03:49] <serenityUK> ok lol
[03:49] <hwilde> zerboxx, livecd is your friend...  reinstall
[03:49] <seamus7> Where do I go to change the default music player setting?
[03:49] <zerboxx> hwilde: ok, I got the 7.04 dvd with live and full on it, so do I just do what I did the first time?
[03:50] <Geoffrey2> I'm trying to reinstall the printer on this computer, cups is giving two different listings for the same printer....the first listing ends in "USB #1", the second ends in "USB CN95L1P0HVGE HPLIP"...any suggestions on which one I should use, if it matters?
[03:50] <serenityUK> seamus7, do you mean for a particualr file like mp3?
[03:50] <seamus7> I thought it was Removable Drives and Media but that didn't do it ... seemingly.
[03:50] <arooni> anyonje know how to fix a mac address
[03:50] <arooni> mine is set wrong
[03:50] <hwilde> zerboxx, just do what you did the first time except all of the tinkering
[03:50] <arooni> my wifi0-00 is set to:  HWaddr 00-15-E9-B7-5E-F5-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
[03:50] <the_padawan> hi all, i am trying to get my xbox 360 (wired) controller working. i have installed and modprobed xpad and it shows up in lspci, but there is no node /dev/input/js0. any ideas?
[03:50] <the_padawan> lsmod*
[03:50] <zerboxx> hwilde: Ok, awesome!  That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure if there was an "easier" way
[03:51] <zerboxx> /exit
[03:51] <seamus7> serenityUK: I set a keyboard shortcut to open the default music player; it's currently set as Rhythmbox. I want the default to be Amarok so the shortcut opens it.
[03:51] <kondor101> i managed to fix a config once using a command line boot and a text editor, it is possible but its a bit of a pain.
[03:51] <hwilde> zerboxx, there's not really any system restore or goback like some others
[03:51] <CoasterMaster> arooni: sudo apt-get install macchanger
[03:51] <hwilde> how could 'Loading hardware drivers' just mysteriously disappear?   Good:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32519/    Bad: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32518/
[03:52] <arooni> CoasterMaster: i have no interentrs
[03:52] <arooni> CoasterMaster: i cant connect to the internet
[03:52] <hwilde> arooni, the mac add of wifi0 is irrelevant....
[03:52] <blkno1> Whats the simpilist way to send e-mail via the commandline?
[03:52] <nightf0x316> hi, the recharging circuit on my laptop is broken, thus the bios battery is dead(all info in bios is reset) and can only run form AC. Every time I boot Ubuntu it forces a disk check, Saying " something about being mounted in the future." It takes about my u 2-3 minutes to boot everytime. is there a way to disable disk checking or fix this problem?
[03:52] <arooni> hwilde: are u sure
[03:52] <arooni> i'm hjaving trouble connecting to the internet
[03:52] <hwilde> arooni, wifi0 is a fake interface on top of eth1 or eth0 or whatever your wifi card is.  that one will show the correct mac
[03:52] <arooni> i cant connect to any routers
[03:53] <arooni> i have ath0
[03:53] <arooni> why cant i connect to any router then :(
[03:53] <seamus7> serentiyUK: changing a setting in Removable Drives & Media seems my best guess ... but perhaps I need to reboot for the change to take effect.. hmmm
[03:53] <itFinallyWorks_> ok, I looked into those links somebody mentioned about getting multiple monitors working.  I didn't see anything new or different from what I have seen and tried already.  As far as xinerama goes, I looked into that, but doesn't it not allow for opengl acceleration?  Plus, I thought I had to list two pci addresses for that to work.  lspci only shows one
[03:53] <CoasterMaster> arooni: you can try this, http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/change-your-network-card-mac-address-on-ubuntu/
[03:53] <olderGranny> official negroid linux chat
[03:53] <olderGranny> rofl
[03:53] <olderGranny> n00b central
[03:54] <nightf0x316> anyone?
[03:54] <olderGranny> rofl
[03:54] <seamus7> There must be Ubuntu Gurus out there who know how to change the default music player from Rhythmbox to Amarok, yes? Anyone?
[03:54] <olderGranny> ahh its ok i suppose
[03:54] <olderGranny> u gotta start somewhere hey
[03:54] <hwilde> blkno1, apt-get install sendmail
[03:54] <olderGranny> rofl seamus7
[03:54] <hwilde> !ops     olderGranny
[03:55] <seamus7> olderGranny: flatter often works here :)
[03:55] <olderGranny> :D
[03:55] <CheeseGardener> does anyone know about libmtp at all?  or how to use it?  or make it work????
[03:55] <olderGranny> word up boys
[03:55] <faileas> for a zen?
[03:55] <hwilde> !ops
[03:55] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti or mneptok
[03:55] <reitblatt> seamus7: right click on the music file, properties, and choose the  "open with" tab
[03:55] <olderGranny> diss nigga linux is hardddcore
[03:55] <serenityUK> seamus7, there is a bug in gnome which doesn't let you change the default player.  It is fixed in new version for Gutsy Gibbon,  For a work around try opening a terminal and typing   sudo ln -s /usr/bin/amarok /usr/local/bin/rhythmbox
[03:55] <olderGranny> theres many bugs in gnome
[03:56] <olderGranny> its very incompetent
[03:56] <serenityUK> reitblatt, he is talking about the media buttons on the keyboard
[03:56] <olderGranny> like ubuntu in general
[03:56] <Whitey> says the FreeBSD user...  Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti or mneptok
[03:56] <serenityUK> reitblatt, np, i did the same thing on the forums lol. but i run gutsy so i didnt realise .. told him to use a tab tha didn't exist lol!
[03:56] <Emperor886> How can I view the properties of a drive on Ubuntu?
[03:57] <hwilde> Emperor886, ls -l
[03:57] <nixternal> hwilde: what do you need?
[03:57] <hwilde> nixternal, olderGranny needs to go.
[03:57] <reitblatt> Emperor886: what kind of properties do you mean?
[03:57] <Music_Shuffle> nixternal, olderGranny.
[03:57] <nixternal> ahhh
[03:57] <olderGranny> lolol
[03:57] <nixternal> good call
[03:57] <Emperor886> hwilde: Without using terminal. I'm a newb. -_-
[03:57] <Music_Shuffle> lol
[03:57] <hwilde> Emperor886, I do not know.
[03:57] <Music_Shuffle> Thanks.
[03:57] <faileas> Emperor886: its just one line ;)
[03:57] <reitblatt> nixternal: thanks
[03:57] <Emperor886> reitblatt: Free space, etc.
[03:57] <CheeseGardener> does anyone know anything about libmtp???
[03:57] <Whitey> people like that make me ashamed to be Australian :<
[03:57] <nixternal> sorry for being blind and missing the blatent obvious on that one :)
[03:57] <serenityUK> seamus7, let me know if it works i am runny gutsy i cannot try it myself
[03:58] <Music_Shuffle> Emperor886, gparted maybe?  Just an idea, not totally sure it'll work.
[03:58] <reitblatt> Emperor886: I like to use gparted
[03:58] <Music_Shuffle> work for what you want*
[03:58] <hwilde> nixternal, lol doesn't ubotu pickup on certain keywords like that?
[03:58] <faileas> CheeseGardener: for a zen?
[03:58] <nixternal> ya, but I was sleeping behind the code :)
[03:58] <Emperor886> reitblatt & Music Shuffle: I tried GParted, couldn't understand it.
[03:58] <faileas> last time i used it, was when i needed to install gnomad II
[03:58] <hwilde> nixternal, no i mean can't ubotu ban based on certain offensive language
[03:59] <Music_Shuffle> Emperor886, err, what couldnt you understand?
[03:59] <Music_Shuffle> hwilde, it doesn't.
[03:59] <nixternal> nah, don't trust that bot :)
[03:59] <reitblatt> Emperor886: Or if it's mounted, you can look @ it through "Computer" in "Places"
[03:59] <faileas> bleh
[03:59] <hwilde> !ty
[03:59] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[03:59] <seamus7> serenityUK: do you think that work around will prevent Rhythmbox from opening?
[03:59] <reitblatt> Emperor886: right-click properties
[03:59] <faileas> adept updater seems to have frozen
[03:59] <faileas> i should stick to apt ><
[03:59] <PalaWan> Anyone here works with emacs in a terminal?
[03:59] <hwilde> how could 'Loading hardware drivers' just mysteriously disappear?   Good:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32519/    Bad: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32518/
[04:00] <hwilde> PalaWan, emacs rules
[04:00] <PalaWan> yeah but, do you work with it under a terminal?
[04:00] <the_padawan> hi all, i am trying to get my xbox 360 (wired) controller working. i have installed and modprobed xpad and it shows up in lsmod, but there is no node /dev/input/js0. any ideas?
[04:00] <PalaWan> emacs -nw
[04:00] <hwilde> PalaWan, sure wherever
[04:00] <PalaWan> should I pm you 2 lines?
[04:00] <hwilde> PalaWan, fine go ahead
[04:00] <hwilde> !ask | PalaWan
[04:00] <ubotu> PalaWan: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:00] <Emperor886> reitblatt: The file browser is lying to me. It says free space is 27 MB even after I've deleted a whole bunch of songs.
[04:01] <hwilde> Emperor886, did you delete or move to trash
[04:01] <reitblatt> Emperor886: they're probably still in your trash bin
[04:01] <kondor101> i was going to say that
[04:01] <hwilde> 2slow
[04:01] <reitblatt> too slow =p
[04:01] <Emperor886> I pressed "Delete" on my keyboard.
[04:01] <reitblatt> Emperor886: that's trash bin then
[04:01] <serenityUK> seamus7, on mine the rhythmbox is in /usr/bin/rhythmbox i think the link from the menu will still work..
[04:02] <level1> Hi guys.  I just built my own computer.  I'm able to install ubuntu, even get compiz running, but its very unstable.  Anything can cause the computer to hang and become completely unresponsive.  Today, I can't even boot, so if I have to reinstall, it will be the third time
[04:02] <reitblatt> Emperor886: click the button in the lower right hand part of the screen
[04:02] <kondor101> Emperor886, bottom right of your screen, the trash?
[04:02] <hwilde> !compiz | level1
[04:02] <ubotu> level1: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:02] <Emperor886> LOL. Thanks!
[04:02] <level1> hwilde: it doesn't have anything to do with compiz
[04:02] <serenityUK> seamus7,  you can always type /usr/bin/rhythmbox to launch it explicitly
[04:02] <reitblatt> level1: try running a memory check
[04:02] <Music_Shuffle> level1, Did you do it...right?  (The build)
[04:02] <level1> reitblatt: I did, thats not the problem
[04:03] <reitblatt> level1: how is it "unstable"?
[04:03] <level1> Music_Shuffle: I don't know.... I can run it, but it crashes a lot
[04:03] <hwilde> level1, did you run all the updates after you installed?
[04:03] <imbecile> !ntfs
[04:03] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[04:03] <kondor101> Emperor886, you enjoying ubuntu?
[04:03] <level1> reitblatt: it hangs, and becomes unresponsive.  My only choice is to kill the power and reinstall
[04:03] <thx1137> seamus7: you can also try uoy join #amarok
[04:03] <level1> hwilde: of course
[04:03] <hwilde> level1, sounds like your hardware is failing
[04:04] <Emperor886> Kondor: Hell yeah, I just can't get used to the damned terminal!
[04:04] <reitblatt> that or a driver is crashing
[04:04] <hwilde> Emperor886, were you born after dos
[04:04] <level1> hwilde: yes... but the question is which peice
[04:04] <cropt> defo hardware
[04:04] <politik> I need to copy (preserving everything, including symlinks) the files on my root partition to another partition, so that it can be my new root partition. I've booted using the livecd, can I just mount both partitions and do a cp -p?
[04:04] <Emperor886> hwilde: Yes. :(
[04:04] <hwilde> politik, cp -apR
[04:04] <Music_Shuffle> level1, you might need to check all the hardware again.
[04:04] <level1> reitblatt: well, I had to use the nvidia proprietary installer beacuse its a relatively new card, 8800GTS
[04:04] <level1> the ubuntu installer didn't work
[04:05] <hwilde> level1, you should boot into the livecd and review /var/log/ for an error message before it locks up
[04:05] <politik> hwilde: great, thanks.
[04:05] <level1> okay, hold on
[04:05] <PalaWan> Is there any way to fix the terminal keystrokes? any package? any conf? I tried using emacs in a bare terminal. No emulator like konsole (konsole doesn't work either). C-M-a didn't work. C-Tab didn't work either. Shift is ignored when hitting C-S-something. WTF? I always complain about winblows but every keystroke that fails in linux's console, works well on winblows =|  I've been told that console uses tab as C-i. So C-C-i can't be
[04:05] <seamus7> serenityUK: it does partially work in that my keyboard shortcuty (actually the Media Direct button on my Dell laptop) does now launch Amarok ... but sadly the media buttons on the front of my laptop (play, stop, forward, back) no longer work as they did with Rhythmbox ... oh well, no biggy, I'll just wait for Gutsy :) ...
[04:05] <sucha215> is there a program like streets and trips for linux? -- I know you can just use google online, but I would prefer to have something for offline if it exists
[04:05] <hwilde> politik, -a is all files,  -p is preserve,  -R is recursive
[04:05] <PalaWan> cause there's only one bit for the control key but I think it's senseless to use tab as a C-i expression. Why isn't it just tab? I don't think it's something THAT difficult to have a descent keys handling system. X works well when it comes to use some of these keystrokes (C-M-a is still broken in X but everything else works well. Even those keystrokes that fail miserably when working on a terminal). I hope anyone can apport some help :)
[04:05] <kondor101> Emporer886, as each new version of ubuntu comes out, you will find you use terminal less and less, but terminal is excellent for making sure your pushing the right buttons (you cant go far wrong with cut n paste)
[04:05] <serenityUK> seamus7,  you could always reverse the first change by   sudo ln -s /usr/bin/rhythmbox /usr/local/bin/rhythmbox
[04:05] <seamus7> serenityUK: what would be the terminal text for removing the link I made previously
[04:05] <rockets> What's a good way to shrink or grow an ext3 partition
[04:06] <seamus7> serenityUK: :) thx
[04:06] <faileas> bleh
[04:06] <hwilde> PalaWan, I have no trouble with ctrl, shift, tab, or any keys for that matter in emacs terminal.  something is wrong with your config
[04:06] <ectospasm> rockets:  resize2fs
[04:06] <rockets> ectospasm: thanks
[04:06] <ectospasm> rockets:  but it's gotta be unmounte
[04:06] <faileas> i can't get terminal up and i need to kill a recaltrant programme
[04:06] <hwilde> PalaWan, I do have issues with the arrow keys in vim tho so I understand you frustratio.
[04:06] <faileas> any ideas?
[04:06] <PalaWan> hwilde: are you using ubuntu?
[04:06] <hwilde> faileas, ctrl+alt+F1
[04:06] <hwilde> PalaWan, yes.
[04:06] <rockets> ectospasm: ill do it from a live cd then. is it safe to shrink my /
[04:06] <reitblatt> Emperor886: personally I try to get people NOT to use the terminal because that results in the GUI tools getting more testing
[04:07] <hwilde> F GUI
[04:07] <reitblatt> lol
[04:07] <rockets> reitblatt: I agree, also because non-geeks shouldn't be expected to drop to a terminal EVER.
[04:07] <rockets> reitblatt: if we want to get linux into wide use, everything that your average user would use needs to be gui configurable
[04:07] <reitblatt> personally I think the terminal is an incredibly efficient interface for many tasks
[04:07] <hwilde> that's like saying people who eat should never be expected to get into the kitchen and cook
[04:08] <reitblatt> but I know many people have this irrational fear of it
[04:08] <PalaWan> hwilde: what version? I'm using Debian (came here cause no one replied anything to my question at #debian). Etch, Emacs 21.
[04:08] <seamus7> serenityUK: sorry ... I'm getting a problem message with the command you gave me to revert back ... it's saying <ln: creating symbolic link `/usr/local/bin/rhythmbox' to `/usr/bin/rhythmbox': File exists>
[04:08] <ectospasm> rockets:  be careful with a shrink, it may not work the way you think
[04:08] <rockets> hwilde: not really. I think its rediculous to expect my mom to learn the terminal
[04:08] <ectospasm> rockets:  growing is usually safer
[04:08] <rockets> ectospasm: well . . . how should I do it then
[04:08] <hwilde> PalaWan, it is not emacs related, it is the keybindings in your terminal profile
[04:08] <rockets> Yes but I need to shirin
[04:08] <ectospasm> rockets:  is /home on a different part?
[04:08] <Emperor886> reitblatt: I have never used *any* command prompt in my life until now. It annoys me =/
[04:08] <ectospasm> part==partition
[04:08] <hsatera> can someone help me with mono?
[04:08] <kondor101> i8m fine using terminal as long as i ave the www guiding me through what to type
[04:08] <hsatera> i type mono file.xe
[04:08] <ectospasm> hsatera:  go see a doctor
[04:08] <hsatera> i type mono file.exe
[04:09] <ectospasm> oh, heheheh
[04:09] <hsatera> ectospasm: ha-ha
[04:09] <mzuverink> Can someone help me figure out why I am not able to share anything on my USB Western Digital "My Book"?  Every time I try, both through sys.admin.sharing and by righ click share, smb it returns the message that it cant display all the contents, or that it is recently deleted.  I am at my wits end.
[04:09] <PalaWan> hwilde: this is annoying me a lot. About your Vim issue, why don't you just hjkl?
[04:09] <serenityUK> seamus7,  ok lets delete the link  try   sudo rm /usr/local/bin/rythmbox
[04:09] <Emperor886> reitblatt: Can you help me install the flash plugin for FireFox?
[04:09] <reitblatt> Emperor886: should autoinstall itself
[04:09] <serenityUK> seamus7,  spelling mistake i mean sudo rm /usr/local/bin/rhythmbox
[04:09] <hwilde> PalaWan, when I press up left arrow, it goes into insert mode, up one line, and types capital A.  the other arrows are similarly annoying.
[04:09] <reitblatt> assuming you're not running x86_64
[04:09] <reitblatt> Emperor886: when you go to a site that needs flash
[04:10] <kondor101> Emeror886, you using 7.04
[04:10] <Emperor886> reitblatt: The site tells me to type stuff into the terminal but it doesn't work.
[04:10] <seamus7> serenityUK: ok
[04:10] <Emperor886> Kondor: Yes.
[04:10] <reitblatt> Emperor886: it should offer to install the plugin for you
[04:10] <rockets> ectospasm: nope, one massive /
[04:10] <hwilde> Emperor886, in synaptics search for java plugin and install it
[04:10] <Emperor886> reaitblatt: It doesn't.
[04:10] <serenityUK> seamus7, it might just go back now without another link?
[04:10] <PalaWan> hwilde: THE F***!! that's annoying as.... u know
[04:10] <seamus7> serenityUK: that did it yes.. thx.
[04:10] <Emperor886> hwilde: What is synaptecs?
[04:10] <hwilde> !synaptic | Emperor886
[04:10] <ubotu> Emperor886: synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[04:10] <ectospasm> rockets:  do you have any spare partitions?
[04:11] <rockets> ectospasm: no. grr, on windows you just resize and it works automagically
[04:11] <Emperor886> hwilde: Thanks.
[04:11] <level1> guys, I'm not an expert, but I'm thinking that the source of the problem might be the hard drives
[04:11] <kondor101> Emperor886, its in system, administration
[04:11] <serenityUK> seamus7, ok cool.,.  im running an alpha test of gutsy and we have a multimedia tab to change the option.. only two month away
[04:11] <politik> rockets: actually on windows I don't think you can resize without 3rd party tools
[04:11] <seamus7> nice
[04:11] <level1> even the liveCD is having trouble with booting, and it appears to be trying to mount the hard drive (and failing)
[04:12] <hwilde> !keybinding | PalaWan
[04:12] <ubotu> PalaWan: To find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[04:12] <ectospasm> rockets:  unless your disk is too fragmented
[04:12] <reitblatt> politik: I know you can in Vista
[04:12] <hwilde> !shortcuts | PalaWan
[04:12] <ubotu> PalaWan: Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts (Gnome) or "Input Actions" in KControl (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try keytouch - http://keytouch.sourceforge.net
[04:12] <PalaWan> hwilde: I'm not using ubuntu cause this damn k3b is failing to burn my md5 checked iso image.  It even destroyed a CD cause I thought it was gonna work just fine
[04:12] <hwilde> PalaWan, maybe one of those links will show you how to trap the keybinding output and debug...
[04:12] <ectospasm> rockets:  you should always make backups before you perform any operation of this magnitude
[04:12] <politik> reitblatt: ah, nice
[04:12] <seamus7> serentiyUK: I thought Guts wasn't due til January ... wasn't Feisty 7.04?
[04:12] <PalaWan> hwilde: I will theck them right now
[04:12] <hsatera> anyones knows "mono" soft?
[04:12] <politik> can vista do software raid 5?
[04:12] <PalaWan> hwilde: thanks
[04:12] <ectospasm> seamus7:  they try two releases a year
[04:12] <Emperor886> hwilde: Where do I find Java in Synaptecs?
[04:12] <serenityUK> yes every 6 months.. next is 7.10
[04:12] <twb> Has anyone successfully netbooted the Feisty live cd?  I'm getting "User not known to underlying authentication module."
[04:12] <reitblatt> Emperor886: you can just go Application -> Add Remove
[04:12] <reitblatt> Emperor886: and search for what you want
[04:13] <hwilde> Emperor886, SEARCH FOR JAVA PLUGIN
[04:13] <Justi1> can I "burn" a cd iso to a usb flash drive?
[04:13] <rockets> politik: you cant resize without 3rd party tools, but once you do it, it just recognizes it
[04:13] <reitblatt> politik: Windows has been able to do raid 5 for a while
[04:13] <seamus7> ectospasm: oh I got the numbers backwards in my head ... 7.04 is 2007/April ... I was thinking July 04th ... lol
[04:13] <jernster> i just installed ubuntu 7.04 last night...i installed vim from adept and for some reason when i create a new file and start it with a #, if i press enter, the second line start with a # and a third and so on... i've never seen this happen before on vi or vim for that matter.  anyone know how i can get that to stop?
[04:13] <twb> Oh crap, I just worked out the problem.
[04:13] <hwilde> Justi1, google ubuntu usb pendrive there are plenty of online tutorials
[04:13] <serenityUK> seamus7,  every 6 months.. next is 7.10
[04:14] <serenityUK> october
[04:14] <hwilde> jernster, vim thinks you are making a comment block.  that's what it does
[04:14] <Emperor886> hwilde: Found it, installing.
[04:14] <kondor101> anything special in 7.10?  just to wet my appetite
[04:14] <jernster> hwilde, gotcha..thanks :)
[04:14] <hwilde> !gutsy | kondor101
[04:14] <ubotu> kondor101: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[04:15] <kondor101> well that didnt tell me a lot lol,
[04:15] <hwilde> kondor101, google it.
[04:15] <seamus7> serenityUK: do you think people will be urged to upgrade or like Edgy will folks be told to wait .. I remember being told Edgy was ... well ... edgy ... and that I perhaps should stick with Dapper LTR at the time .... will be Gutsy be ready?
[04:15] <reitblatt> kondor101: www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe3
[04:15] <kondor101> yea just wondering if that clicky installer thing was going to be in it, CNR or whatever it is
[04:15] <reitblatt> kondor101: that has the features of the latest alpha
[04:16] <Emperor886> Anyone know where I can get Folding@Home for Ubuntu?
[04:16] <rockets> Emperor886: I'm pretty sure there's a client in the repositories
[04:16] <serenityUK> kondor101, seamus7  i find gnome quicker to start ,, waiting for notification icons after login etc... also new kernel is better and compiz is builtin,
[04:16] <Emperor886> rockets: I'm a newb and you just confused the f*ck outta me.
[04:17] <hwilde> !noob | Emperor886
[04:17] <ubotu> Emperor886: Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[04:17] <rockets> Emperor886: ok well
[04:17] <rockets> hwilde: oh stick a sock in it. its not liek somebody was macking fun of him
[04:17] <Cemmanuelle> hi there!!!
[04:17] <Cemmanuelle> is anibody here!?
[04:17] <rockets> Cemmanuelle: only about 1000 people
[04:17] <Emperor886> I said "newb" not "noob"
[04:17] <seamus7> I'm here.
[04:17] <Emperor886> =/
[04:17] <serenityUK> welcome Cemmanuelle
[04:17] <hwilde> !coc | Emperor886
[04:17] <ubotu> Emperor886: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[04:17] <hwilde> !coc | rockets
[04:17] <ubotu> rockets: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[04:18] <hwilde> just behave.
[04:18] <Cemmanuelle> ok! tnks
[04:18] <rockets> hwilde: yeah i get that but just be chill man
[04:18] <rockets> nobodys fighting or arguing or being disruptive
[04:18] <reitblatt> Emperor886: repo means it is available through the add-remove dialog in Applications
[04:18] <Cemmanuelle> im in a test 4 mi ubuntu!
[04:18] <Emperor886> I didn't know any of this I'm new. -_-
[04:18] <mzuverink> So no one uses samba and can offer assistance...
[04:18] <rockets> its one thing to have rules, its quite another to enforce them arbitrarily
[04:18] <rockets> Emperor886: Annnnyway
[04:18] <hwilde> !samba | mzuverink
[04:18] <ubotu> mzuverink: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[04:18] <rockets> Emperor886: check out the apt-get command and you'll see what i mean by repos/repositories
[04:19] <Cemmanuelle> SERENITY! HELLO!!!
[04:19] <hwilde> !hi | Cemmanuelle
[04:19] <ubotu> Cemmanuelle: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[04:19] <Cemmanuelle> hi there!
[04:19] <Cemmanuelle> what is ur name?
[04:19] <hwilde> !ubotu | Cemmanuelle
[04:19] <ubotu> Cemmanuelle: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[04:19] <Cemmanuelle> were r u from?
[04:19] <Pelo> who would have thought that ubuntu fanfoyism would extend to ppl having their favorite helppers
[04:19] <serenityUK> Bob, London
[04:19] <rockets> UBOTU ASL ASL!
[04:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about asl asl! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:20] <Flannel> !offtopic
[04:20] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[04:20] <hsatera> Noone uses MONO?
[04:20] <Emperor886> I haven't seen Folding@Home in Add/Remove, I've been through it a few times.
[04:20] <hwilde> !patience | hsatera
[04:20] <ubotu> hsatera: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[04:20] <reitblatt> hsatera: what do you need help w/ about mono?
[04:20] <Cemmanuelle> ok ubotu
[04:20] <rockets> Emperor886: try apt-cach search folding
[04:20] <reitblatt> Emperor886: I don't think it is in there
[04:20] <Cemmanuelle> were do u live?
[04:20] <hsatera> hwilde: i'm cool
[04:20] <hsatera> :D
[04:20] <Cemmanuelle> ubotu?
[04:20] <hwilde> hsatera, I use it but I don't know how to answer your question...
[04:20] <reitblatt> Cemmanuelle: ubotu is a bot
[04:20] <Emperor886> rockets: Does that involve the terminal?
[04:21] <rockets> Emperor886: yes
[04:21] <Cemmanuelle> hi hsatera!!!
[04:21] <Pelo> hsatera,  I've heard of mono but I have never used, it , maybe the ppl in #winehq know more about it , since it is somewhat similar
[04:21] <Flannel> Emperor886: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/05/23/folding-home-installation-configuration-automation-ubuntu-debian-rhel-fc/
[04:21] <rockets> Emperor886: if you're not comfortable with  the terminal you can use synaptic
[04:21] <Cemmanuelle> ohh ok thsnks reitblstt
[04:21] <rockets> Emperor886:  System -> Administration -> Synaptic
[04:21] <cropt> The sooner you embrace "the terminal" the better!
[04:21] <Emperor886> flannel & rockets: Thanks!
[04:21] <lashmoove> what's a good graphical file usage app
[04:21] <seamus7> Cemmanuelle: ubotu just pretends to be a bot ... he's really just cold and cruel ... we go way back.
[04:21] <reitblatt> guys (and gals) there's no reason for him to mess around w/ the terminal here
[04:22] <rockets> lashmoove: you mean like treesize?
[04:22] <Flannel> rockets: You know showing him synaptic won't help him find f@h
[04:22] <rockets> Flannel: i sware i remember the folding client being in the repos
[04:22] <rockets> I could be wrong
[04:22] <reitblatt> Emperor886: I think you need to get the client from http://folding.stanford.edu/download.html
[04:22] <Emperor886> Bee are bee.
[04:22] <lashmoove> rockets:will it show me where large concentration of files are, graphically?
[04:22] <Cemmanuelle> ok seamus7 thanks 4 that
[04:22] <hwilde> !find folding feisty   | rockets
[04:22] <ubotu> rockets: Package/file folding does not exist in feisty
[04:22] <serenityUK> Beagle is built using Mono i think... it is a port of the .Net libraries to Linux
[04:22] <Cemmanuelle> and where r u seamus?
[04:22] <hsatera> reitblatt: http://pastebin.ca/648258
[04:22] <cropt> Maybe there's a .deb for him there.
[04:22] <rockets> im not sure its called folding exactley
[04:22] <seamus7> Cemmanuelle: Louisville, KY, USA
[04:23] <Flannel> rockets: it's not in the repos
[04:23] <Pelo> hwilde,  try foldingathome
[04:23] <rockets> Flannel: :-( my mistake
[04:23] <reitblatt> lashmoove: there is a file-size view in konqueror
[04:23] <Cemmanuelle> ohhh! thats so...
[04:23] <Cemmanuelle> i dunno
[04:23] <lashmoove> reitblatt: thanks ill try that
[04:23] <Cemmanuelle> im from El salvador!
[04:24] <defcon> I need help with my firewall config, for some reason i cannot traceroute I pasted my iptables -L here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32873/ what is wrong and what do I need to do to fix it
[04:24] <seamus7> Is there an alternative to Gdesklets out there?
[04:24] <reitblatt> hsatera: install the libmono-winforms-2.0-cil package
[04:24] <seamus7> Cemmanuelle: welcome!
[04:24] <Pelo> seamus7, screenlets
[04:24] <reitblatt> hsatera: err, libmono-winforms2.0-cil
[04:24] <serenityUK> Cemmanuelle, I am from London England.. we are on 3 continents
[04:24] <ubuntu_> Hi, this is level1.  I'm having a lot of trouble with my computer, randomly hanging, refusing to boot.  I found this error over and over in my dmesg:reading i2c device failed (error=-71)
[04:24] <seamus7> Pelo: how does it compare?
[04:24] <Cemmanuelle> im  starting with mi ubuntu and i have lots of qstions
[04:24] <Cemmanuelle> really thanks seamus
[04:24] <Pelo> seamus7,  works better when you use compiz or beryl
[04:24] <hsatera> reitblatt: thx
[04:24] <hsatera> let's see it
[04:25] <seamus7> Cemmanuelle: ;)
[04:25] <ubuntu_> I'm also seeing this error a lot: [   26.550433]  msp3400 0-0044: I/O error #0 (write 0x12/0x04)
[04:25] <Pelo> ubuntu_, level1  at this point consider a clean install
[04:25] <ubuntu_> Pelo: I tried a clean install, it didn't help
[04:25] <reitblatt> ubuntu_: sounds like something is wrong w/ the hard drive
[04:25] <Cemmanuelle> seamus???
[04:25] <Pelo> ubuntu_, are you sure your comptuer isnt, damaged, ? like borked mobo ro bad hdd ?
[04:25] <olgayramon> i have my camera working good with my driver but when i am as another user of computer the softwares dont find the divice, how i fix this? any idea?
[04:25] <hsatera> reitblatt: love u
[04:25] <hsatera> :D
[04:25] <reitblatt> ubuntu_: could you pastebin the log?
[04:25] <Cemmanuelle> do u know someone from france?
[04:25] <reitblatt> hsatera: any time :)
[04:26] <seamus7> Pelo: I dual boot Vista and now find that I want some me some desktop widgets.
[04:26] <Cemmanuelle> i need to learn some french
[04:26] <Pelo> seamus7, like I said, try screenlets
[04:26] <ubuntu_> http://pastebin.ca/648262
[04:26] <masquerade> Anyone know if there is a package for the J programming language?
[04:26] <Pelo> Cemmanuelle, try in #ubuntu-fr
[04:26] <serenityUK> Cemmanuelle, there is and #ubuntu-fr channel!
[04:26] <masquerade> Unfortunately with such a short name, its hard to search for :)
[04:26] <Cemmanuelle> thanks
[04:27] <Pelo> masquerade,  try with extra keywords liike j programming
[04:27] <Cemmanuelle> and what is the meaning of seamus?
[04:27] <reitblatt> masquerade: doesn't look like it
[04:28] <masquerade> Pelo, if I had found anything that simply, I wouldn't be here asking. I know how to search, but getting confirmation that it isn't a package is harder
[04:28] <serenityUK> Cemmanuelle, in what way?
[04:28] <masquerade> confirmation that it is a package is easy, confirmation that its not is not so easy
[04:28] <Pelo> !info j
[04:28] <ubotu> Package j does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:28] <Cemmanuelle> sorry?
[04:28] <seamus7> Cemmanuelle: Seamus is sort of an Irish version of Sean (shawn)
[04:28] <Cemmanuelle> i dont understand!
[04:29] <hsatera> !info mono
[04:29] <reitblatt> masquerade: I would be surprised if it was packaged, it's a pretty obscure language
[04:29] <ubotu> mono: Mono CLI (.NET) runtime. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1 kB, installed size 24 kB
[04:29] <Pelo> Cemmanuelle, it is pronouced shmos
[04:29] <reitblatt> masquerade: I didn't realize people were using it
[04:29] <seamus7> Cemmanuelle: yes
[04:29] <masquerade> reitblatt, yeah, it is, but there are packages for some very obscure things :)
[04:29] <seamus7> Pelo: yes I mean
[04:29] <reitblatt> masquerade: very true
[04:29] <masquerade> reitblatt, it comes in handy for mathematical stuff, most of the popular languages just suck for certain things :)
[04:30] <reitblatt> masquerade: what sort of mathematical stuff?
[04:30] <reitblatt> masquerade: have you ever tried haskell?
[04:30] <Pelo> masquerade,  if you can find thesource code online, you can compile it
[04:30] <masquerade> reitblatt, can't say I've ever done Haskell, no
[04:30] <hwilde> Haskell rulez
[04:31] <bung0wa> Has anyone tried DAAP with iTunes 7?
[04:31] <cropt> Haskell?
[04:31] <reitblatt> masquerade: when you say "mathematical stuff", what do you mean?
[04:31] <desertc__> Question: How do I get a list of users in a channel with Xchat?
[04:31] <reitblatt> masquerade: do you mean mathematica/matlab type stuff?
[04:31] <bung0wa> iTunes won't share but doesn't mind taking others' music...  How fair
[04:31] <masquerade> reitblatt, at the moment, problems on project euler :). It is simply much more efficient to write programs in J :)
[04:32] <bung0wa> Someone should just pretend to be Steve Jobs and get that fixed
[04:32] <serenityUK> masquerade, i thinkit is called j32 according to http://www.jsoftware.com/platforms.htm
[04:32] <bung0wa> You hear me, Steve?!
[04:32] <ubuntu_> so, I have 4 hard drives.  I originally thought I would have raid 5.  I had it set up okay, but it kept crashing, so I tried again with just a flat file, no raid.  It did'nt improve.  I completely wiped every hard drive before the reinstall... does that mean that the hard drives are physically defective?  and could I narrow it down to one of the drives?
[04:32] <Pelo> desertc__, by default the members list is hidden,  it is resized to minimum on the right of the window,  mouseover the right side untill you get a dobule arrow
[04:32] <reitblatt> masquerade: in that case, you may well find haskell fun and useful
[04:32] <desertc__> pelo: Bless ya!
[04:32] <reitblatt> masquerade: though it comes w/ a bit of a learning curve, especially if you wish to do IO
[04:33] <Pelo> ubuntu_,  I think the raid thing is your issue,  have you checked in the forum for raid info ? there should be alot of stuff in there about it
[04:33] <reitblatt> masquerade: #haskell is a very hot channel these days
[04:33] <DarkCat> is there any way to del xserver through apt-get
[04:33] <masquerade> reitblatt, I'll give it some thought, thanks
[04:33] <ubuntu_> Pelo: well, I don't know.  As I said, I reinstalled with no raid and I still had trouble
[04:33] <Pelo> DarkCat, sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg should do it
[04:33] <ubuntu_> !raid
[04:33] <ubotu> Raid and LVM --> very easy guide for alternate CD : http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.html Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[04:33] <DarkCat> cool thanks
[04:34] <reitblatt> masquerade: always happy to convert someone to the functional programming side :)
[04:34] <hwilde> lambda calculus for every1 !
[04:34] <jernster> hm my xchat windows don't change colors when people talk.  grr
[04:34] <masquerade> reitblatt, J is higher-order functional programming :)
[04:34] <reitblatt> masquerade: but is it pure functional?
[04:35] <r00tintheb0x> Thats rough jernster
[04:35] <jernster> yes it is.
[04:35] <twb> Haskell is purely functional.
[04:35] <Pelo> jernster, it should for your nick , you can also set other hightligh keywords inthe prefs
[04:35] <reitblatt> masquerade: IOW, does it allow side effects?
[04:35] <masquerade> reitblatt, nah, its not
[04:35] <r00tintheb0x> jernster, the names or the window borders?
[04:35] <reitblatt> masquerade: well there =p
[04:35] <jernster> Pelo, but usually if I'm looking in another window, if people type in this one it will change the text to red or something.
[04:35] <PalaWan> !keybindings
[04:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about keybindings - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:35] <PalaWan> damnit
[04:35] <jernster> r00tintheb0x, the window tabs text
[04:36] <Pelo> jernster,  it does in the tab mode,  don'T know about the treeview
[04:36] <masquerade> reitblatt, but I've done my share of Lisp and Scheme :)
[04:36] <twb> Lisp is not a functional programming language.
[04:36] <reitblatt> masquerade: ahh, so your an old hand then
[04:36] <twb> It merely supports functional programming.
[04:36] <Pelo> jernster, this channel will be red all the time ,  ppl are always talking
[04:36] <Emperor886> !folding@home
[04:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about folding@home - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:36] <jernster> Pelo, aha.  changed to tabs and it works.  strange
[04:36] <serenityUK>    masquerade you can download the j32 package for linux from the website   http://www.jsoftware.com/stable.htm
[04:36] <Phish32786> Anyone in here been playing with Compiz Fusion?
[04:36] <r00tintheb0x> Ah, dont know what you're talking about.
[04:36] <ubuntu_> Pelo: is it possible that raid could break a hard drive in such a way that it becomes unstable even after I've reformatted without raid?
[04:37] <Pelo> !compiz | Phish32786
[04:37] <ubotu> Phish32786: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:37] <masquerade> reitblatt, nah, not at all really, just like to explore :)
[04:37] <jernster> Pelo, thanks for the tip. :)
[04:37] <Pelo> ubuntu_, I don'T know I have no experience with raid what so ever
[04:37] <twb> Can anyone suggest why /etc/resolv.conf contains no IP addresses or name servers when netbooting Feisty?
[04:37] <reitblatt> masquerade: that's good, there are some crazy languages out there
[04:37] <masquerade> I was born after lisp had started its decline :)
[04:37] <r00tintheb0x> twb, are you using a router?
[04:37] <serenityUK>    masquerade you can download the j32 package for linux from the website   http://www.jsoftware.com/stable.htm
[04:37] <desertc__> ubuntu_, I don't think so
[04:38] <Pelo> jernster,  I have no use for your gratitude, I want cash ;)
[04:38] <twb> r00tintheb0x: yes.
[04:38] <r00tintheb0x> twb, are you using DHCP?
[04:38] <Phish32786> ubotu; Thanks, I been looking at this guide, http://fosswire.com/2007/07/11/how-to-compiz-fusion-on-ubuntu-704-feisty-fawn/ I'm dropping Window Frames when Activating it and im a bit hazy when it comes to running beryl on top of it as it suggests.
[04:38] <reitblatt> masquerade: lisp has been dying for a long time
[04:38] <masquerade> serenityUK, thanks, I know this, and I heard you well the first time, that doesn't really answer the question
[04:38] <jernster> Pelo, don't we all. :p
[04:38] <twb> r00tintheb0x: you cannot netboot without a DHCP server.
[04:38] <Pelo> !ubotu | Phish32786
[04:38] <ubotu> Phish32786: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[04:38] <reitblatt> masquerade: I was born after DOS started its decline ;)
[04:38] <masquerade> reitblatt, true, okay, lemme say this, I was born shortly after C started its huge uprising :)
[04:38] <r00tintheb0x> twb, didnt know you were trying to netboot.
[04:39] <twb> r00tintheb0x: I stated as much.
[04:39] <r00tintheb0x> twb, usually w/a router... you put the routers IP in as a nameserver addy.
[04:39] <desertc__> reitblatt, LISP has been around since the 1960s -- it is not in much of a decline recently
[04:39] <serenityUK>    masquerade well the package is was in breezy and is not in Feisty fawn
[04:39] <twb> r00tintheb0x: other dhcp clients get resolv.conf seeded correctly.
[04:39] <r00tintheb0x> twb, i've only been in the chan for about five mins... i may not have read completely.
[04:39] <Phish32786> drr
[04:39] <hwilde> if you like lisp you should try ocaml...
[04:39] <twb> hwilde: hahaha
[04:39] <masquerade> reitblatt, more specifically, after C89 was created :)
[04:39] <Pelo> Phish32786, go and ask for help in #compiz
[04:39] <reitblatt> desertc__: I know, I work w/ ACL2, but it used to be more popular, at least in terms of percentages
[04:40] <reitblatt> masquerade: I see :)
[04:40] <bren> ...
[04:40] <Phish32786> Pelo: Thanks for the tip :)
[04:40] <Pelo> np
[04:40] <reitblatt> masquerade: I guess that means I'm getting old, I was born in '87...
[04:40] <r00tintheb0x> twb, paste your /etc/network/interfaces to http://pastebin.ca
[04:40] <dzer0> hey there
[04:40] <hsatera> lol
[04:41] <hsatera> i was born in '89
[04:41] <ectospasm> reitblatt:  I'm as old as Star Wars...
[04:41] <mailavj> help pls. i have instaled nvidia-glx drivers. now X is crashing. how can i disable nvidia drivers from console
[04:41] <hsatera> x)
[04:41] <masquerade> reitblatt, never seem to get younger, eh? :) Still, not many people born around that time would've bothered touching Haskell so you still get my props :)
[04:41] <dzer0> is there any way to get alpha-blended corners on window titlebars? you'd think with XGL and compiz and stuff they'd at least be able to pull off nicely rounded corners...
[04:41] <r00tintheb0x> twb, have you tried "sudo dhclient"?
[04:41] <Pelo> reitblatt, I meant the other kind of diaper , you little babe
[04:42] <Emperor886> Can anyone help with the terminal please?
[04:42] <serenityUK> dzer0, just download a different theme  www.gnome-look.org
[04:42] <reitblatt> Emperor886: what do you need help w/?
[04:42] <hsatera> reitblatt: how do i program the computer to shutdown in 1 hour?
[04:43] <mailavj> help pls. i have instaled nvidia-glx drivers. now X is crashing. how can i disable nvidia drivers from console
[04:43] <Emperor886> reitblatt: One of the commands to install Folding@Home is not working. /bin/bash ./finstall
[04:43] <dzer0> serenityUK: I don't just mean corners, I mean alpha-blended corners
[04:43] <Pelo> dzer0, you might just need a dfferent theme,  I have decent rounded corners,   look at the window border section in art-gnome
[04:43] <reitblatt> hsatera: sudo shutdown +60
[04:43] <DWSR> hsatera, sudo shutdown 60m
[04:43] <puppet_shadow> Anyone have a 1680x1050 lcd? Just wondering if it's as hard as the forums sound to make one work on Ubuntu.
[04:43] <hwilde> hsatera, man shutdown   there is a -t option with time limit
[04:43] <Pelo> reitblatt,  not quite there yet
[04:43] <twb> r00tintheb0x: do you understand that the problem is in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/casper-bottom/, and that it's probably a missing dhcp-option in the packet it receives when netbooting?
[04:43] <DWSR> sorry, yeah. listen to reitblatt
[04:43] <reitblatt> Emperor886: how is it failing?
[04:44] <dzer0> AFAIK, a different theme won't do alpha-blending :P
[04:44] <r00tintheb0x> twb, if you know the resolution then why are you asking?
[04:44] <Emperor886> root@anthony-laptop:~# /bin/bash ./finstall
[04:44] <Emperor886> /bin/bash: ./finstall: No such file or directory
[04:44] <serenityUK> dzer0, if you are using compiz or beryl then emerald themes can have transparency
[04:44] <twb> r00tintheb0x: I *don't* know the resolution.
[04:44] <Pelo> puppet_shadow,  if your screen and video card can handle it , you just need to add the resolution to the xorg.conf file
[04:44] <twb> r00tintheb0x: that directory contains perhaps 1200 lines of code
[04:44] <Emperor886> finstall is in fact there. -_-
[04:44] <reitblatt> Emperor886: where did you extract the file you downloaded?
[04:44] <serenityUK> dzer0, many glass effects etc
[04:44] <reitblatt> Emperor886: type chmod +x finstall
[04:45] <twb> The problem is there are so many damn newbies in here that you can never get help with REAL problems :-/
[04:45] <dzer0> ok
[04:45] <puppet_shadow> Pelo: right, that's logical. People seem to be having extreme difficulty getting the Samsung 226bw working though.
[04:45] <r00tintheb0x> twb, i feel ya.
[04:45] <Emperor886> I didn't. I have been using terminal commands the whole time via http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/05/23/folding-home-installation-configuration-automation-ubuntu-debian-rhel-fc/7
[04:45] <Pelo> puppet_shadow,  I ddon't know about that sorry
[04:45] <r00tintheb0x> twb, grep for it.
[04:45] <twb> r00tintheb0x: well, obviously.
[04:45] <Emperor886> root@anthony-laptop:~# chmod +x finstall
[04:45] <Emperor886> chmod: cannot access `finstall': No such file or directory
[04:46] <reitblatt> Emperor886: you probably skipped this step: "sudo chmod +x  finstall"
[04:46] <IdleOne> twb, open a #ubuntu-advanced
[04:46] <r00tintheb0x> twb, what happens if you manually add the router IP to /etc/resolv.conf?
[04:46] <puppet_shadow> we need a "Linux certified" logo for hardware!
[04:46] <kauer> twb, r00tintheb0x: What are you looking for (and r00t, stop feeling people!) :-)
[04:46] <r00tintheb0x> twb, do you have anything in /etc/rc*.d/ that would be rewriting /etc/resolv.conf?
[04:46] <serenityUK> puppet_shadow, i have dual monitor 1680x1050 and 1280x1024 with compiz-fusion all the bling but I use nvidia drivers
[04:46] <reitblatt> Emperor886: pastebin the result of "ls -l" please
[04:46] <r00tintheb0x> hehe kauer
[04:47] <kauer> twb: DHCP will rewrite resolv.conf under some circumstances.
[04:47] <Emperor886> reaitblatt: I did not skip that step.
[04:47] <Emperor886> root@anthony-laptop:~# ls -l
[04:47] <Emperor886> total 0
[04:47] <r00tintheb0x> Yeah, well his /etc/resolv.conf is blank i think.
[04:47] <reitblatt> Emperor886: now show me the output of "pwd"
[04:47] <blindraven> good afternoon people :)
[04:47] <r00tintheb0x> twb, are you trying to do a network install w/o a cdrom?
[04:48] <r00tintheb0x> hi blindraven
[04:48] <Emperor886> root@anthony-laptop:~# pwd
[04:48] <Tremitos> hi
[04:48] <Emperor886> root@anthony-laptop:~# pwd
[04:48] <DWSR> twb: What's your problem?
[04:48] <kauer> r00tintheb0x: well, is it blank or not?
[04:48] <Tremitos> I'll find out
[04:48] <puppet_shadow> serenityUK: cool. I wish I could tell what these guys problem is.
[04:48] <r00tintheb0x> I dont know, he wont cough up enough info.
[04:48] <Emperor886> there is a "/root" under pwd, not showing for some reason.
[04:48] <galpa> #ubuntu-es
[04:48] <serenityUK> puppet_shadow, they proobably have ati
[04:48] <reitblatt> Emperor886: ok, thanks
[04:48] <hiroshiX> how do you connect to an iscsi drive in open-iscsi?
[04:48] <Pelo> galpa,   /join #ubuntu-es
[04:48] <blindraven> I'm making a movie about tools you can use to navigate around the CLI only my bloody camera like to defocus as soon as i move it *pulls hair out*
[04:48] <DWSR> !es galpa
[04:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about es galpa - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:49] <serenityUK> puppet_shadow, nvidia drivers are much better
[04:49] <DWSR> !es | galpa
[04:49] <ubotu> galpa: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:49] <hiroshiX> I mean, I've got it installed, but nothing I type ever works to connect to it
[04:49] <reitblatt> Emperor886: wget -c http://www.vendomar.ee/~ivo/finstall
[04:49] <puppet_shadow> serenityUK: so, that driver just has trouble with new aspect ratios?
[04:49] <kauer> r00tintheb0x: Yeah. iratik was being all coy about his domain too. Hard to help without concrete facts.
[04:49] <serenityUK> puppet_shadow, no more 3d acceleration, any should be able to handle the resolution
[04:49] <reitblatt> Emperor886: what that command does is download a file called finstall
[04:49] <r00tintheb0x> Well when you're trying to "one up" the room on knowledge its kinda hard to explain your problem.
[04:49] <reitblatt> Emperor886: which it puts in your current directory (/root)
[04:49] <puppet_shadow> serenityUK: hrm. there was no mention of 3d but I guess that could be an issue.
[04:50] <blazemonger> i like ubuntu but i want a installation where i can choose what boot loader i want touse
[04:50] <kauer> r00tintheb0x: I think it was just misguided "confidentiality"
[04:50] <Emperor886> reitblatt: It's now working. Thanks. :)
[04:50] <twb> r00tintheb0x: I am trying to netboot.  That means you get a PXE-compliant NIC and boot it, which uses DHCP headers next-server and filename to find a bootloader via TFTP, then that loads a kernel and ramdisk over TFTP, and that then loads a read-only NFS export and merges it with a copy-on-write partition using unionfs, then pivot_roots and boots as normal.
[04:50] <r00tintheb0x> haha
[04:50] <Pelo> blazemonger,  you probably can,  it'S just a matter of configureing it properly
[04:50] <reitblatt> Emperor886: no prob
[04:50] <r00tintheb0x> ok twb, done it a hundred times.
[04:50] <puppet_shadow> serenityUK: well, my desktop has nvidia so maybe I'm fine
[04:50] <twb> This all works and you get the dinky GNOME desktop and so on.
[04:50] <r00tintheb0x> Where is it failing, network communication twb ?
[04:51] <IdleOne> blazemonger, use any boot loader you like but ubuntu comes with GRUB
[04:51] <DWSR> twb: You trying to install, or just PXE boot?
[04:51] <r00tintheb0x> ok twb go on.
[04:51] <mzuverink> Samba help anyone?
[04:51] <dzer0> I have compiz fusion. How do I install emerald themes?
[04:51] <kauer> twb: "boots as normal" - does that include obtaining a final operational IP address via DHCP?
[04:51] <twb> What isn't working is the casper-bottom/23netboot script.
[04:51] <blazemonger>  want to also be able to install ubuntu and start with only the plain text based distro
[04:51] <IdleOne> !samba | mzuverink
[04:51] <ubotu> mzuverink: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[04:51] <twb> kauer: it gets an IP address before the kernel boots.
[04:51] <Pelo> dzer0,  you need to go and ask in #compiz
[04:51] <IdleOne> !alternate | blazemonger
[04:51] <ubotu> blazemonger: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal
[04:51] <blazemonger> the graphical install is nice work, but i want to customize my install like have LVM v2
[04:52] <Pelo> blazemonger,  check the forum for ubuntu-minimal
[04:52] <mzuverink> IdleOne, read that does not help, seems to be my samba is f****
[04:52] <r00tintheb0x> twb, are the DNS servers programmable in the NIC?
[04:52] <riotkittie> im feeling lazy. so i'm here. :D
[04:52] <r00tintheb0x> man im confused.
[04:52] <kauer> twb: It must also get one after the kernel boots. Think about it :-) Or is that hard-configured?
[04:52] <twb> r00tintheb0x: what?  The DNS server resides on the router.
[04:52] <Pelo> blazemonger,  you can also use the alternate install cd, it is text based
[04:52] <puppet_shadow> dzer0: go into a command line and type "apt-cache search emerald" or search in synaptic
[04:52] <riotkittie> is there support for eSATA under ubuntu?
[04:52] <twb> The NIC contains a PXE EEPROM.
[04:52] <r00tintheb0x> okay twb ... you're PXE booting.
[04:52] <twb> As I have said repeatedly.
[04:52] <r00tintheb0x> Can you ping by DNS name?
[04:52] <serenityUK> blazemonger, if you choose expert mode on the AlternateCD instead of the livecd you can skip grub i think
[04:52] <blazemonger> so the alternate cd is better for if i like debian's install better
[04:52] <r00tintheb0x> twb, what can you NOT do.
[04:53] <twb> Yes, the route table is correct.
[04:53] <Pelo> blazemonger,  probablhy , I'm not sure what either look like, I 've never had to use them
[04:53] <plowdawg> how do you disable network-manager? i would like to use wifi-radar instead
[04:53] <twb> As I said initially, what is NOT correct is /etc/resolv.conf, and this is due to casper-bottom/23netboot
[04:53] <r00tintheb0x> twb, have you cleared the ARP cache?
[04:53] <riotkittie> i like slack's install <3  </offtopic>
[04:53] <r00tintheb0x> ok twb gotcha finally.
[04:53] <kauer> twb: The PIX stuff just sets you up with a bootable kernel; after than, PIX is out of the picture, and the booting kernel is on its own. Including left to its own devices (he he) to get an address.
[04:53] <r00tintheb0x> hol dup
[04:53] <twb> If you do not actually use and understand casper, then it is pretty likely you can't actually help me.
[04:54] <DWSR> That counts me out then twb. :-)
[04:54] <blazemonger> i want to use Fedora core and freebsd too
[04:54] <arsalan> me too
[04:54] <blazemonger> since i want to learn some programming
[04:54] <twb> Yes, it basically narrows it down to pantera, cjwatson and the other guy who's nick I forget.
[04:54] <twb> tfheen
[04:54] <kauer> twb: If you do not give us info to help us understand your situation clearly, then we definitely cannot help you.
[04:54] <DWSR> lol
[04:54] <r00tintheb0x> twb, i rock.
[04:54] <arsalan> hahahaahaaha
[04:54] <r00tintheb0x> period.
[04:54] <r00tintheb0x> :)
[04:55] <r00tintheb0x> right Pelo
[04:55] <DWSR> indeed Pelo.
[04:55] <hwilde> !patience
[04:55] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[04:55] <kauer> twb: Sorry I missed the start of the conversation. Maybe there was loads of info there.
[04:55] <twb> kauer: no problem.
[04:55] <hwilde> twb, can you restate your problem in one line?
[04:55] <twb> I apologize if I come across as a bit abrasive.
[04:55] <r00tintheb0x> twb, could you SCP/XDCC me 23netboot please?
[04:55] <r00tintheb0x> its ok twb i get that way w/Sun support all the time.
[04:55] <DWSR> hwilde, He's attempting to PXE boot Ubuntu.
[04:56] <hwilde> I understand that.  what specifically is the problem.
[04:56] <DWSR> r00tintheb0x, I get that way with support people in general. Especially when I tell them that I know a DHCP client from a DNS server, and they still tell me "Please make sure..."
  A change since Edgy is resulting in resolv.conf being trashed, and this is the result of /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/casper-bottom/23network.
[04:56] <r00tintheb0x> right DWSR
[04:56] <r00tintheb0x> twb, p   casper                                                 - Run a "live" preinstalled system from read-only media
[04:56] <r00tintheb0x> that what you have installed twb ?
[04:57] <Emperor886> Can someone help me with the terminal again please?
[04:57] <kauer> twb: The booting kernel is, I repeat, on its own after it boots. It uses normal mechanisms like DHCP to obtain IP adresses etc. If you are CERTAIN that this is not the case in your case, let me know and I'll bug out, because you are using something I do not understand.
[04:57] <twb> r00tintheb0x: yes, casper is responsible for merging a read-only resource with a copy-on-write ramdisk.
[04:57] <DWSR> Emperor886, what's up?
[04:57] <Pelo> Emperor886,  what specificaly ?
[04:57] <r00tintheb0x> right twb ok, lemme check the source code out.
[04:57] <hwilde> twb, are you set for dhcp?
[04:57] <Emperor886> dwsr: I'm trying to install Folding@Home, one of the commands isn't working though.
[04:57] <r00tintheb0x> wth
[04:57] <DWSR> Good luck with that. I've never heard of it.
[04:57] <r00tintheb0x> folding@home?
[04:57] <Pelo> Emperor886, which command
[04:58] <Emperor886> anthony@anthony-laptop:~$ sudo update-rc.d folding defaults
[04:58] <Emperor886> update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/folding: file does not exist
[04:58] <twb> kauer: I am fairly confident that's not the problem, since the routing is correct as reported by ifconfig and route.
[04:58] <IdleOne> Emperor886, sudo aptitude install boinc
[04:58] <serenityUK> dwsr it's the thing like the seti project looking for a cancer cure during screensaver
[04:58] <DWSR> IdleOne, apt-get works just well.
[04:58] <Paradox34690> what is the apt-get command to show what packages are available on the universe?
[04:58] <hwilde> twb, edit your dhclient.conf to not request domain-name-servers and then it won't overwrite /etc/resolv.conf .
[04:58] <DWSR> serenityUK, ah.
[04:59] <r00tintheb0x> twb, casper-bottom/23network or casper-bottom/23networking?
[04:59] <DWSR> Paradox34690, http://packages.ubuntu.com works wonders.
[04:59] <IdleOne> Emperor886, you can run folding@home with the boinc client.
[04:59] <twb> r00tintheb0x: sorry, 23networking
[04:59] <IdleOne> DWSR, yeah Im just used to using aptitude :)
[04:59] <Emperor886> IdleOne: What next?
[04:59] <bulmer> twc did you look at whats defined on your /etc/nsswitch.conf ?
[04:59] <r00tintheb0x> twb, or you can "chattr" it to make it not overwrite it for the time being.
[04:59] <r00tintheb0x> ok twb
[04:59] <kauer> twb: Good luck :-)
[04:59] <Paradox34690> Thanks for that DWSR
[04:59] <IdleOne> Emperor886, install boinc then run it from the applications menu and follow the instructions :)
[05:00] <DWSR> Hope that's not sarcastic.
[05:00] <Emperor886> idleone: How do I install it?
[05:00] <r00tintheb0x> twb, i take it you've had a look @ 23networking?
[05:00] <twb> r00tintheb0x: correct.
[05:00] <underwatercow> Why was Totem chosen as the default Ubuntu video player?
[05:00] <IdleOne> Emperor886, from a terminal type sudo apt-get install boinc
[05:00] <r00tintheb0x> ok twb hold up
[05:00] <digip1mp> I have remote access to a dedicated machine running edgy 2.6.17-10-server.  Is there any way to remotely install and run debian 3.1 in some kind of jail or virtual environment like vmware?
[05:01] <hwilde> digip1mp, lol not a chance
[05:01] <Emperor886> anthony@anthony-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get install boinc
[05:01] <Emperor886> Reading package lists... Done
[05:01] <Emperor886> Building dependency tree
[05:01] <Emperor886> Reading state information... Done
[05:01] <Emperor886> E: Couldn't find package boinc
[05:01] <DWSR> digip1mp, no.
[05:01] <DWSR> Emperor886, sudo apt-cache search boinc
[05:01] <IdleOne> !repos | Emperor886
[05:01] <ubotu> Emperor886: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[05:01] <hwilde> Emperor886, it is boinc-client
[05:01] <IdleOne> Emperor886, follow the above link and enable universe and multiverse
[05:01] <r00tintheb0x> twb, do you have "# Autogenerated by casper" @ the top of /etc/resolv.conf or anything in there? Or, totally blank?
[05:01] <hwilde> IdleOne, the package is called boinc-client not boinc.
[05:01] <IdleOne> hwilde, ty
[05:02] <IdleOne> :)
[05:02] <underwatercow> Why doesn't Totem load DVD menus?
[05:02] <serenityUK> underwatercow, try xine
[05:02] <IdleOne> hwilde, boinc-client will bring in boinc-manager also?
[05:02] <hwilde> r00tintheb0x, twb,  edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf  to not request domain-name-servers and then it won't overwrite /etc/resolv.conf
[05:02] <twb> r00tintheb0x: yes, that header is present.
[05:02] <twb> hwilde: dhclient is not the issue.
[05:02] <underwatercow> serenity: I use VLC more often than not, but I was just curious if there was something I was missing on Totem
[05:02] <digip1mp> darn.  I need some way to compile things for/with? an older version of glibc to address this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=471811
[05:03] <r00tintheb0x> yeah hwilde im seeing that now.
[05:03] <ntbnnt> underwatercow: not really
[05:03] <MrAnon> Hail me! For I am the cod metal king!
[05:03] <r00tintheb0x> here's the script http://bzr.debian.org/debian-live/casper-old-branch/scripts/casper-bottom/23networking
[05:03] <ntbnnt> underwatercow: vlc ftw
[05:03] <underwatercow> lol
[05:03] <underwatercow> Totem also crashes often when playing video... seems like an odd choice for default player
[05:03] <ntbnnt> underwatercow: xmms is good too if you like winamp
[05:03] <ntbnnt> underwatercow: ya
[05:03] <r00tintheb0x>     if [ ! -f /root/etc/resolv.conf -a -f /netboot.config ]  ; then
[05:04] <IdleOne> Emperor886, how you doing with boinc-client?
[05:04] <r00tintheb0x> twb, what does your netboot.config file look like?
[05:04] <plowdawg> how do you disable network-manager? i would like to use wifi-radar instead
[05:04] <twb> r00tintheb0x: I'm having trouble finding that file due to the root pivoting.
[05:04] <r00tintheb0x> ah
[05:04] <DigitalNinja> test
[05:05] <hwilde> r00tintheb0x, twb,  cat > /root/etc/resolv.conf <<EOF         this line appears to destroy the file.  it should be catting one file into the other but it is just blank.
[05:05] <serenityUK> welcome DigitalNinja ! we can see you
[05:05] <Emperor886> anthony@anthony-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get boinc-client install
[05:05] <Emperor886> E: Invalid operation boinc-client
[05:05] <r00tintheb0x> yep hwilde, because it cant get to netboot.config
[05:05] <twb> hwilde: it's using a herestring.
[05:05] <DigitalNinja> How much space does a gnome and kde install take?
[05:05] <DigitalNinja> serenityUK: Thanks
[05:05] <IdleOne> Emperor886, sudo apt-get install boinc-client
[05:05] <Emperor886> =/
[05:06] <r00tintheb0x> twb, did you say you had any connectivity @ all?
[05:06] <r00tintheb0x> i.e. ping the router? etc...
[05:06] <twb> Ah, it's copied to /root/var/log
[05:06] <IdleOne> Emperor886, you need to tell apt-get what to do with the app before telling it what app to install :)
[05:06] <serenityUK> DigitalNinja, kde is bigger, because it installs alot of apps with it
[05:06] <Emperor886> idleone: LAWL. Thanks.
[05:06] <IdleOne> np
[05:06] <r00tintheb0x> lol @ LAWL
[05:07] <r00tintheb0x> I TXTed someone that today.
[05:07] <Emperor886> -_-
[05:07] <DigitalNinja> serenityUK: I see. Any idea how big it is?
[05:07] <DigitalNinja> I should install it my self and see
[05:07] <twb> r00tintheb0x: I have working network, just no name resolution
[05:07] <r00tintheb0x> okay, so you can get out... just not by name.
[05:07] <r00tintheb0x> ok
[05:08] <twb> As I said.
[05:08] <r00tintheb0x> twb, i've never used casper before... sorry for my ignorance... but i am good w/linux.
[05:08] <r00tintheb0x> Can you not wget the netboot.config file from somewhere?
[05:08] <r00tintheb0x> then manually run the script, or manually edit /etc/resolv.conf for that matter?
[05:08] <Emperor886> IdleOne: How do I get Folding@Home to run on Boinc?
[05:08] <twb> I'm doing so.
[05:08] <serenityUK> DigitalNinja, i cant remember exactly because i have lost of extra download by now.. gnome on its own was less thatn 2 gig i think.. but you want free space for temp files etc
[05:08] <r00tintheb0x> okay.
[05:09] <twb> netboot.config is autogenerated by casper.
[05:09] <twb> http://paste.lisp.org/display/45731
[05:09] <r00tintheb0x> okay twb what is your goal in this? To have a functional syste?
[05:09] <DigitalNinja> serenityUK: Lets see... How about 10 gig's fro kde and gnome?
[05:09] <r00tintheb0x> Or are you toying w/casper..
[05:09] <serenityUK> DigitalNinja, yes fine..otherwise you will downloads will fill it up
[05:09] <DigitalNinja> serenityUK: That includes /var and /tmp
[05:09] <twb> r00tintheb0x: I already use netbooting Edgy for a number of commercial products.
[05:10] <twb> r00tintheb0x: I wish to migrate these products to Feisty.
[05:10] <serenityUK> 10 is plenety
[05:10] <DigitalNinja> serenityUK: I'll put /home on another partition
[05:10] <r00tintheb0x> I see twb
[05:10] <DigitalNinja> 250 gig drive
[05:10] <r00tintheb0x> can you get 23networking from a edgy machine to the fiesty machine and do a "diff" on them?
[05:10] <r00tintheb0x> feisty*
[05:10] <twb> An example customer is http://www.justice.vic.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/DOJ+Internet/Home/Prisons/Prisons+in+Victoria/JUSTICE+-+Prison+Profiles+-+Metropolitan+Remand+Centre
[05:11] <twb> r00tintheb0x: well yes, but a number of other things have changed during that period.
[05:11] <r00tintheb0x> touche  twb
[05:11] <IdleOne> Emperor886, I apologise I was certain that Folding@Home could be run with Boinc :/ very sorry
[05:11] <r00tintheb0x> hmm, i see it being an issue here also twb
[05:11] <riotkittie> weird. oh. oh! oh.
[05:12] <Emperor886> Lol, anything else that runs Folding@Home?
[05:12] <IdleOne> Emperor886, just looked it up and saw that it isnt a boinc participating project
[05:12] <r00tintheb0x> twb, @ the end https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDShareThisCD
[05:12] <r00tintheb0x> "At this point, clients can netboot, and will come up just like the liveCD, be able to perform installations and run applications. Network access may glitch, as resolv.conf wasn't correctly configured for me, we should look at passing that through from casper."
[05:12] <IdleOne> Emperor886, paste the error you are getting from the folding app in paste.ubuntu-nl.org and give me the url I'll see if I can help
[05:13] <twb> r00tintheb0x: interesting, thank you.
[05:13] <twb> I suspect the script is buggy
[05:14] <r00tintheb0x> no prob twb, sorry i cant be of more help. I've never had any hands on experience w/casper though. Im thinking so also twb
[05:14] <serenityUK> DigitalNinja,  ok even better.. if you home is separate you can even move it to another drive without breaking things. also reinstall and keep you settings
[05:14] <hwilde> twb,  cat > /root/etc/resolv.conf <<EOF         this line appears to destroy the file.  it should be catting one file into the other but it is just blank.
[05:14] <DigitalNinja> serenityUK: That's the idea
[05:14] <twb> hwilde: it takes a here string as input.
[05:14] <Emperor886> IdleOne: Where do you find the app? I thought it was a service?
[05:15] <IdleOne> Emperor886, let me see the error please
[05:15] <hwilde> twb, umm if you say so.  I think that just writes "EOF" to the file and destroys anything that was in it.
[05:15] <twb> hwilde: you think wrong.
[05:15] <DigitalNinja> serenityUK: Thanks for the info. I'll install gnome and then add kde. That way I know for sure how much space it takes.
[05:15] <evri2> Guys,anyone does have 7xxxx go series laptop card?I want to ask which driver did you download nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new?
[05:15] <Emperor886> IdleOne: What error?
[05:16] <serenityUK> DigitalNinja, yes you can pick one to use at the login screen
[05:16] <DigitalNinja> Yup
[05:16] <IdleOne> Emperor886, you were having problems install folding@home right?
[05:16] <DigitalNinja> I don't use kde but I want to know how much space both will take up
[05:16] <twb> DigitalNinja: aptitude will tell you
[05:16] <serenityUK> DigitalNinja, i saw a guy on the forums had 3 installs on ubuntu kubuntu and xubuntu didnt realise lol
[05:17] <Emperor886> anthony@anthony-laptop:~$ sudo update-rc.d folding defaults
[05:17] <Emperor886> update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/folding: file does not exist
[05:17] <serenityUK> twb, he hasn't installed yet
[05:17] <r00tintheb0x> mmm thunderbird 2 pretty
[05:17] <serenityUK> twb wants to create partition big enough for gnome and kde
[05:17] <twb> $ aptitude -s -y install kde | grep -i after.unpacking
[05:17] <twb> Need to get 259MB/286MB of archives. After unpacking 779MB will be used.
[05:18] <twb> -s means simulate -- i.e. it won't install.
[05:18] <digip1mp> does anyone know of a way to run psybnc on ubuntu stably? (psy works great when compiled with/on older versions of glibc, but is terrible on newer versions of glibc that ubuntu ships with): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=471811
[05:18] <twb> If you're doing the *initial* OS install, then I don't know.  I'd just use LVM and grow the filesystem later if needed.
[05:19] <twb> For a workstation 4GB should be plenty, for the OS partition.
[05:19] <serenityUK> unless you comile a kernel lol
[05:20] <serenityUK> compile
[05:20] <twb> r00tintheb0x: I found the bug, I think
[05:20] <r00tintheb0x> sweet!
[05:20] <twb> r00tintheb0x: see how it says "cat netboot.config" instead of "cat /netboot.config"
[05:20] <r00tintheb0x> Where's it @
[05:20] <r00tintheb0x> ah, pathz0r
[05:20] <r00tintheb0x> makes sense, unless the script is @ the level of netboot.config @ the time.
[05:21] <twb> r00tintheb0x: unfortunately, casper is riddled with such bugs
[05:22] <DigitalNinja> twb: Thanks! I'll check it out.
[05:22] <r00tintheb0x> That blows, there's not a cleaned up version twb ? Like, NVU to Kompozer?
[05:22] <twb> r00tintheb0x: eh?
[05:22] <Emperor886> IdleOne: You still here?
[05:22] <serenityUK> did you read the dissection of automatix?  labelled as dangerous now
[05:22] <erpo> I need to upload a large file via FTP from my residential broadband connection. The ftp command can do this, but it consumes all of my upstream bandwidth, which blocks or greatly slows all of my other Internet activities. How can I throttle the upload to a reasonable speed?
[05:22] <r00tintheb0x> well, you know NVU the HTML editor?
[05:23] <twb> I know of it.
[05:23] <r00tintheb0x> They picked it back up and started developing it again as "kompozer"\
[05:23] <IdleOne> Emperor886, yes. seems Im running into a similar problem as you are
[05:23] <twb> I see.
[05:23] <IdleOne> Emperor886, trying to figure it out
[05:23] <twb> No, there is nothing like that.
[05:23] <r00tintheb0x> Maybe there's someone else developing something "cleaner" than casper.
[05:23] <r00tintheb0x> hm
[05:23] <Emperor886> IdleOne: OKay, thanks. :D
[05:23] <twb> However, it is being actively developed.
[05:23] <r00tintheb0x> twb, You'd have to go through and clean it up then.
[05:23] <twb> Yes, I started doing so.
[05:23] <r00tintheb0x> really, thats good @ least.
[05:24] <twb> But I have personality conflicts with the developers, specifically Baumann
[05:24] <Zambezi> Anyone know howto setup a connection to i psyBNC-proxy in Irssi? I set password, adress, but I need to add name and nick too and I can't find out how.
[05:24] <r00tintheb0x> Obviously by someone who takes no pride in their code.
[05:24] <r00tintheb0x> Use FreeBSD.
[05:24] <r00tintheb0x> Its a LOT cleaner than l00n1x
[05:24] <twb> It's still UNIX
[05:24] <parkbench> hey, just wanted to pop in really quick to ask a question to the hiv mind
[05:24] <twb> I want Genera or something :-)
[05:25] <parkbench> im thinking of installing ubuntu on my new laptop--is wireless still as much of a headache as it used to be? i havent really looked into my specific set's specs yet, unfortunately. i will when i get this ball rolling but i just want to know what im in for
[05:25] <r00tintheb0x> Well, Linux is a lot different than UNIX to me.
[05:25] <serenityUK> lol netbsd's big new feature is beryl, support for a dead program
[05:25] <Music_Shuffle> !offtopic
[05:25] <r00tintheb0x> I heart Solaris.
[05:25] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[05:25] <r00tintheb0x> okay Music_Shuffle i get it, sorry.
[05:25] <serenityUK> sorry i mean pc-bsd obviously
[05:26] <the_padawan> hi all, why would my joystick not show up in /dev/input/js0? modules are loaded
[05:26] <mzuverink> How do I change the volume name of a usb drive?
[05:26] <erpo> parkbench: Ubuntu Feisty comes with NetworkManager, which makes wireless networking a snap. You have to have a supported wireless card, though.
[05:26] <roninrun> @ parkbench ... wireless support is far superior in fiesty ... mine worked out of the box
[05:26] <r00tintheb0x> Thunderbird wont authinticate w/gmail pop.
[05:26] <r00tintheb0x> wth?!
[05:26] <twb> r00tintheb0x: have you seen Nexenta?
[05:26] <Wintersmith> parkbench: Wireless was far easier to setup for me this time than it has been in the past for a broadcom chipset
[05:26] <r00tintheb0x> twb, lets go to ubuntu-offtopic and chat
[05:26] <r00tintheb0x> keep this chan for support
[05:26] <twb> r00tintheb0x: both mutt and fetchmail can talk to pop.gmail.com, for me.
[05:27] <parkbench> roninrun: thats good to hear i gues
[05:27] <parkbench> ill be trying it out tomorrow then
[05:27] <parkbench> thanks for the heads up
[05:27] <blazemonger> has anyone experienced Mint?
[05:27] <r00tintheb0x> yeah twb i've had it working before.
[05:27] <r00tintheb0x> I dont know what is up.
[05:28] <twb> r00tintheb0x: ssl on?
[05:28] <r00tintheb0x> yup
[05:28] <amd> * Topic is 'Global Forum :: GEORGE W. BUSH IS SO SEXY!  :( (IloveDubya) :: #Politics Channel
[05:28] <r00tintheb0x> port 995
[05:28] <amd> GEORGE W. BUSH IS SO SEXY! Too bad I'm a dude. :(
[05:28] <r00tintheb0x><EMAIL_ADDRESS>format for the username.
[05:28] <twb> I don't really want to export the whole chroot over tftp, but it's soooooo much more convenient...
[05:28] <amd> Sorry.
[05:28] <r00tintheb0x> pop.gmail.com
[05:28] <amd> I had to use FREE SPEECH.
[05:28] <serenityUK> blazemonger, yes, it has all the vidio codecs preinstalled, and things like realplayer
[05:29] <amd> CAN SOMEONE HELP ME>
[05:29] <amd> I having a problem with an X program!
[05:29] <Music_Shuffle> !caps | amd
[05:29] <twb> amd: the answer lies within your heart.
[05:29] <ubotu> amd: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[05:29] <Emperor886> Be bach in 5.
[05:30] <r00tintheb0x> saying "username and password is not accepted", but i can sign in w/the web based client.
[05:30] <amd> xcalc is not working properly!
[05:30] <digip1mp> does anyone know of a way to run psybnc on ubuntu stably? (psy works great when compiled with/on older versions of glibc, but is terrible on newer versions of glibc that ubuntu ships with): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=471811
[05:31] <sloloem> I have a friend using Ubuntu, is there any way to setup the system to provide a full remote desktop solution similar to windows' RDC, like VNC but with sound
[05:31] <amd> xcalc is not working properly!
[05:31] <IdleOne> Emperor886, download the client from http://folding.stanford.edu/download.html and save the file to your Desktop then in terminal type sudo mkdir /folding and then type cd /folding then you type chmod +x FAH504-Linux.exe and then type ./FAH504-Linux.exe ( this will run the cofig script )
[05:31] <amd> xcalc is not working properly! HELP! ME!
[05:31] <amd> xcalc is not working properly! HELP! ME!
[05:31] <amd> GEORGE W. BUSH IS SO SEXY!  :(GEORGE W. BUSH IS SO SEXY!  :(GEORGE W. BUSH IS SO SEXY!  :(GEORGE W. BUSH IS SO SEXY!  :(GEORGE W. BUSH IS SO SEXY!  :(GEORGE W. BUSH IS SO SEXY!  :(GEORGE W. BUSH IS SO SEXY!  :(GEORGE W. BUSH IS SO SEXY!  :(GEORGE W. BUSH IS SO SEXY!  :(GEORGE
[05:31] <amd> sorry
[05:31] <amd> Stupid clipboard.
[05:31] <twb> sloloem: there is an xrdp server in Debian Sid, it's only a matter of time before it gets synced into Ubuntu.
[05:31] <the_giver> from the live cd... would that indicate whether internet will work with the actual installiation
[05:31] <the_giver> if it it works on the live cd.. then it works with the actual install?
[05:31] <the_giver> or what
[05:31] <aoirthoir> its ok amd. What's wrong with your xcalc?
[05:32] <the_giver> ???
[05:32] <erpo> the_giver: Most likely.
[05:32] <aoirthoir> the_giver, generally yes. But for instance sometimes things work in the live cd but do not work in the install....ive had that issue with video.
[05:32] <IdleOne> Emperor886, here is the wiki page http://fahwiki.net/index.php/Running_the_FAH_client_on_Linux
[05:32] <sloloem> twb, that does sound?
[05:32] <r00tintheb0x> This password authentication thing is really pissing me off.
[05:32] <twb> sloloem: I haven't got it to work yet, personally
[05:33] <twb> sloloem: but the RDP protocol includes networked sound.
[05:33] <twb> sloloem: I'd also check out what the LTSP people are up to
[05:33] <amd> When I type in -1 * -1 I get +1! But Gene Ray from www.timecube.com says my computers is wrong! How do I fix xcalc?  How can I set my CPU's default governor and frequency so I don't have to set it manually every time?
[05:35] <aoirthoir> i usually count with my fingers, but it seems xcalc is doing just fine
[05:35] <mattgyver83> Hey room. I am having some screen size, and resolution problems.  I cannot seem to correctly set my screen res to 32bit and size to fill the screen correctly.
[05:35] <the_padawan> hi all, how do can i figure out the device node for my joystick?
[05:35] <Music_Shuffle> aoirthoir, you too?  I thought that was just me! :P
[05:35] <amd> GEORGE W. BUSH IS SO SEXY! Too bad I'm a dude. :(
[05:35] <amd> Err
[05:35] <Emperor886> anthony@anthony-laptop:/folding$ chmod +x FAH504-Linux.exe
[05:35] <Emperor886> chmod: cannot access `FAH504-Linux.exe': No such file or directory
[05:36] <amd> Emperor886: stat the file.
[05:36] <Emperor886> amd: How?
[05:36] <amd> You can't.
[05:36] <Shaddox> How can I set my CPU's default governor and frequency so I don't have to set it manually every time?
[05:36] <Music_Shuffle> Shaddox, in the...BIOS?
[05:36] <r00tintheb0x> Emperor886, "sudo chmod +x /path/to/FAH504-Linux.exe"
[05:36] <Shaddox> Music_Shuffle: My Bios won't let me set my CPU scaling.
[05:36] <erpo> amd: Switch to your xchat window, hold down alt, and hit F4 on your keyboard. That will take care of your xcalc problem.
[05:37] <Music_Shuffle> Shaddox, err, sorry, I'm confused, then how are you setting it manually?
[05:37] <Shaddox> Music_Shuffle: I heard there was a way to do it on the OS-level, too, in Ubuntu
[05:37] <erpo> Shaddox: Use /etc/init.d/rc.local
[05:37] <Shaddox> Music_Shuffle: I currently use the CPU Scaling/Frequency monitor, set to userspace/50%
[05:37] <EvadeIgnore> :DDDDDDDDD
[05:37] <Shaddox> Cause otherwise I overheat
[05:37] <RiCCo69> holly fuck guys. all I wanna say is thank you it's been 3 days trying to install ubuntu and now I finally have it. wirless is working and everything. without yall I wouldn't have it going. congrats all here's a success story. everything works except for the cube. I guess I'll figure that out later.Peace
[05:37] <Music_Shuffle> Shaddox, ooooh.  :)
[05:37] <Music_Shuffle> RiCCo69, language. :P
[05:38] <Music_Shuffle> RiCCo69, but good luck anyways.  :)
[05:38] <EvadeIgnore> GEORGE W. BUSH IS SO SEXY!  :(GEORGE W. BUSH IS SO SEXY!  :(GEORGE W. BUSH IS SO SEXY!  :(GEORGE W. BUSH IS SO SEXY!  :(GEORGE W. BUSH IS SO SEXY!  :(GEORGE W. BUSH IS SO SEXY!  :(GEORGE W. BUSH IS SO SEXY!  :(GEORGE W. BUSH IS SO SEXY!  :(GEORGE W. BUSH IS SO SEXY! Too bad I'm a dude.
[05:38] <Emperor886> anthony@anthony-laptop:/folding$ sudo chmod +x /path/to/FAH504-Linux.exe
[05:38] <Emperor886> chmod: cannot access `/path/to/FAH504-Linux.exe': No such file or directory
[05:38] <erpo> Shaddox: err..../etc/rc.local
[05:38] <EvadeIgnore> Hyper ;(
[05:38] <aoirthoir> congrats RiCCo69
[05:38] <Music_Shuffle> !ops | EvadeIgnore
[05:38] <ubotu> EvadeIgnore: Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti or mneptok
[05:38] <IdleOne> Emperor886, what is the name of the file you downloaded?
[05:38] <Shaddox> erpo: Er, and what do I put in there?
[05:38] <Music_Shuffle> Thanks.
[05:38] <nixternal> no, thank you :)
[05:38] <Emperor886> Linux
[05:38] <Emperor886> (x86-64 bit, only)
[05:38] <Emperor886> SMP client console version
[05:38] <Nutubuntu> what was that?
[05:39] <kersinc> #ubuntu-es
[05:39] <erpo> Shaddox: Whatever commands you would normally execute in order to set the governor/scaling to userspace/50%.
[05:39] <the_giver> HELLO
[05:39] <erpo> Shaddox: Any commands you execute in there get run on startup.
[05:39] <Music_Shuffle> Hello the_giver
[05:39] <the_giver> anyone here know if the live ubuntu cd supports alt  f2
[05:39] <IdleOne> Emperor886, why you running the 64bit?
[05:39] <the_giver> which is the "run" window
[05:39] <frostburn> how would one print to pdf?
[05:40] <Emperor886> I have a 64-bit version of Ubuntu.
[05:40] <r00tintheb0x> deluge rocks.
[05:40] <kersinc> #ubuntu-sv
[05:40] <james296> how can I get the main gnome icons to look exactly like the Human icons but, green...
[05:40] <r00tintheb0x> Can anyone tell me if their GMail account is accessable with a POP CLIENT please?
[05:40] <frostburn> the_giver, i believe so
[05:40] <Nutubuntu> frostburn, http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/03/23/print-to-pdf-using-cups-pdf/
[05:41] <erpo> james296: You edit them all in the gimp/inkscape. There is no easy-to-use color setting.
[05:41] <frostburn> Nutubuntu, ta
[05:41] <erpo> r00tintheb0x: Mine is.
[05:41] <Nutubuntu> frostburn, or from OO.o, scribus, and various other pdf-enabled apps, it's just a menu selection
[05:41] <r00tintheb0x> erpo, using what client?
[05:41] <james296> grrrrrrrrr
[05:41] <r00tintheb0x> heh, nmap's current version is "4.20"
[05:41] <RiCCo69> allright I'm running beryl. I'm trying to figure out the cube I've just got Beryl installed but I cant get the cube to work even though it's checked in the prog. any idea
[05:41] <erpo> r00tintheb0x: Evolution.
[05:41] <r00tintheb0x> ok erpo i'll test w/that.
[05:41] <Justi1> what should I do if the usb flashdrive that has the ubuntu installer is not being recognized by the bios or the 'smart boot manager'?
[05:42] <r00tintheb0x> thanks erpo
[05:42] <RiCCo69> the cube was working before I started fuckin around with my wirless
[05:42] <erpo> RiCCo69: Make sure you have 4 virtual desktops.
[05:42] <cfedde> why has firefox decided to start coredumping?
[05:42] <Nutubuntu> RiCCo69, what's your record for consecutive sentences without the Fword? ;P
[05:42] <RiCCo69> lol 2
[05:42] <Emperor886> IdleOne: Will do, bye.
[05:43] <RiCCo69> erpo I've only got one desptop at the bottom of my screen
[05:43] <evri2> anyone here know how can i disable gpu(not CPU) throltting(i want MAX SPEED GPU)
[05:43] <RiCCo69> I've got my effects on
[05:43] <RiCCo69> and beryl installed
[05:43] <RiCCo69> it was working with 2 desktopd
[05:43] <RiCCo69> mpw I have 1
[05:43] <RiCCo69> mpw = now
[05:44] <twb> r00tintheb0x: didn't fix it :-/
[05:44] <erpo> RiCCo69: That's your problem. You need 4 for the desktop cube to work.
[05:44] <r00tintheb0x> dang twb, that sucks.
[05:44] <RiCCo69> erpo how do I get 4
[05:44] <r00tintheb0x> Try compiling from source twb ?
[05:44] <twb> r00tintheb0x: compiling what?
[05:44] <james296> another question, how can I run nautilus as root with the same theme as when running it not as root?
[05:44] <james296> cuz when I run it as root it looks VERY ugly
[05:44] <marginoferror> Can anyone tell me what compiz.real is?
[05:45] <r00tintheb0x> Casper twb.
[05:45] <twb> james296: sudo cp ~sillyuser/.gtkrc-2.0 ~root/.gtkrc-2.0
[05:45] <marginoferror> I am running gutsy and compiz.real hangs on the first login of every boot.
[05:45] <twb> r00tintheb0x: it's shell scripts.
[05:45] <r00tintheb0x> Oh
[05:45] <r00tintheb0x> lolopool
[05:45] <erpo> RiCCo69: Right click on the beryl tray icon and choose Beryl Settings Manager. It's in there...
[05:45] <r00tintheb0x> durtie durrr.
[05:45] <twb> Indeed.
[05:45] <r00tintheb0x> yeah, its been a long day.
[05:45] <RiCCo69> thanx ill fidle i there
[05:45] <twb> All days are.
[05:46] <r00tintheb0x> Right, im out of the UNIX admin side of things.
[05:46] <r00tintheb0x> Moving to security analyst, should be a refreshing switch.
[05:46] <the_giver> helloo anyone here who can actually help
[05:46] <r00tintheb0x> the_giver, depends on the problem.
[05:46] <james296> didnt work
[05:46] <the_giver> if i'm using the live cd.. will i be able to have internet
[05:46] <james296> it said the directory is not found
[05:47] <james296> the_giver, yes
[05:47] <Ce_Ang3L> hy
[05:47] <marginoferror> the_giver: Yes, UNLESS you are using a wireless card that requires Windows drivers
[05:47] <the_giver> hmm
[05:47] <marginoferror> In that case, probably, but not always
[05:47] <the_giver> which F key is the GUI
[05:47] <james296> so how do I change that theme...
[05:47] <Emperor886> Anyone know how I run Boinc if I have it installed and everything?
[05:48] <kitche> the_giver: f7
[05:48] <the_giver> why do the ctrl +f2-4 dont work
[05:48] <the_giver> like the termianls dont do anythign when i type in
[05:48] <the_giver> ls
[05:48] <the_giver> or clear
[05:48] <the_giver> or anythign
[05:48] <the_giver> its so annoying
[05:48] <r00tintheb0x> wth @ Unable to connect to POP server pop.gmail.com.
[05:48] <r00tintheb0x> Error sending password: -ERR [AUTH]  Username and password not accepted.
[05:48] <the_giver> terminals*
[05:48] <marginoferror> james296: twb's instructions were a general example
[05:48] <james296> what?
[05:48] <twb> marginoferror: watch your mouth
[05:48] <marginoferror> ...?
[05:49] <marginoferror> james296: what's your username on your local machine?  Is it james296?
[05:49] <james296> like I said that didnt work
[05:49] <twb> Oh never mind.
[05:49] <james296> no its james but I even did that
[05:49] <Emperor886> r00tinthebox: Can you try and help me with my Folding@Home problem?
[05:49] <twb> james296: if you are just blindly running any commands we tell you to, you have a much bigger problem.
[05:49] <the_giver> HELLO
[05:49] <marginoferror> sudo cp /home/james/.gtkrc-2.0 /root/.gtkrc-2.0
[05:50] <marginoferror> Try that.
[05:50] <the_giver> why wouldnt the full screen terminals
[05:50] <the_giver> work..
[05:50] <the_giver> the ones on f2 through f6
[05:50] <the_giver> like nothign happens when i type a damn command
[05:50] <the_giver> do i need sudo???
[05:50] <marginoferror> the_giver: On the live CD some terminals are reserved for specific purposes
[05:50] <the_giver> sigh
[05:50] <kitche> the_giver: you don't have anything in your home directory so ls probably won't show anything
[05:50] <marginoferror> the_giver: On an actual install, they are all accessible
[05:50] <marginoferror> the_giver: Right?  You're talking about the live CD?
[05:50] <RiCCo69> allright I have 4 desktops but i STILL CANT switch screens dragging my mouse even though the optionis checked any ideas?
[05:51] <Ashfire908> does The GIMP support EXIF?
[05:51] <the_giver> so can i even test the terminal
[05:51] <the_giver> where is the terminal located
[05:51] <james296> no
[05:51] <r00tintheb0x> i think its the password manager
[05:51] <the_giver> ??? why wouldnt firefox start?
[05:51] <james296> I changed the user name to my username
[05:51] <the_giver> yeah the live cd
[05:51] <RiCCo69> giver you talkin gto me?
[05:51] <the_giver> anyone..
[05:51] <Cew_An9eL> hy
[05:51] <jordan__> Good evening, I have a small network at home with 6 computers running ubuntu.  On each i have thunderbird for email.  Its nice, but each one has to redownload emails.  On the head of my network is a server (gateway).  Is it possible to use this server to download the emails then the 5 clients download from the server as if it were downloading using the standard method?
[05:51] <marginoferror> the_giver: Control-F1 works, right?  But F2-F6 don't?
[05:52] <marginoferror> jordan__: There are a number of ways to deal with this problem.
[05:52] <the_giver> THIS IS VERY annoying.. i just want ot test if my net is working
[05:52] <the_giver> and i can do that through the terminal.. but ubuntu live cd sucks =-(
[05:52] <the_giver> and nothing is loading
[05:52] <marginoferror> jordan__: The best is to use IMAP and store your email on your mail server, but not all mail servers support this.
[05:52] <the_giver>  i dont know if F1 works
[05:52] <Ashfire908> the_giver: try network tools
[05:53] <twb> jordan__: IMAP!
[05:53] <marginoferror> jordan__: So one way to do it is to set your gateway to download mail once via "fetchmail"
[05:53] <Ashfire908> the_giver: or manually pinging the router
[05:53] <marginoferror> jordan__: And then, set up an IMAP server on that gateway.    The easier way to do it is to get a mail server that supports IMAP - there are other ways to do it, but none of them are very easy
[05:55] <qweqweqwe> the_giver: they're called shells :-)  terminals are machines what you type at
[05:55] <marginoferror> the_giver: What's wrong with Applications > accessories > terminal?
[05:55] <twb> qweqweqwe: I remember the shells back in `39
[05:55] <jordan__> marginoferror : is there any how-to or turorial you're aware of on the www
[05:55] <qweqweqwe> can someone help me get rid of the residual effects of 3D Desktop Effects?
[05:55] <twb> qweqweqwe: C-M-f1? ;-)
[05:55] <Ashfire908> the_giver: might not give anything useful, but you could run a disk intregrty check
[05:55] <cfedde> is there something to check that might explain why firefox is coredumping?  I can't even seem to find the core files.
[05:56] <marginoferror> jordan__: Well, there are all sorts of tutorials for installing fetchmail, and then after that there are all sorts of tutorials for installing an IMAP server
[05:56] <qweqweqwe> twb: what?
[05:56] <marginoferror> jordan__: But I don't know which are the best for Ubuntu in particular, and I haven't done it in years anyway
[05:56] <twb> qweqweqwe: never mind.
[05:56] <marginoferror> jordan__: Basically, your options are:
[05:56] <twb> r00tintheb0x: ok, now I really found the problem
[05:56] <marginoferror> 1) Set up your own IMAP server that downloads your mail automatically
[05:56] <twb> r00tintheb0x: stupid dumbhead casper developers didn't notice awk isn't in the ramdisk
[05:57] <james296> ok this is frustrating, I got my theme to look so...PERFECT! BUT, I want it enabled even as a root user
[05:57] <marginoferror> 2) Get another IMAP server (fastmail.fm has cheap, decent service) and forward your mail to that.
[05:57] <james296> how do I do that
[05:57] <marginoferror> 3) Only use mail on one computer, and set it up so that you can run applications remotely from that computer
[05:57] <qweqweqwe> twb: are you asking if I'm on chemotherapy?
[05:57] <twb> james296: you shouldn't be running GUI apps as root anyway
[05:57] <marginoferror> Anything I'm missing?
[05:57] <frostburn> james296, you shouldn't be using root anyway
[05:57] <james296> well why not
[05:57] <twb> qweqweqwe: take it however you like
[05:57] <frostburn> it's unsecure
[05:57] <frostburn> insecure*
[05:58] <james296> well I do use root when I need to
[05:58] <twb> james296: because root is able to do Bad Things
[05:58] <qweqweqwe> twb: cyclophosphamide, methotrexate, and fluorouracil
[05:58] <jordan__> marginoferror : I think in my situation, the remote SSH (with x forwarding) across my network with thunderbird would be the best option
[05:58] <james296> if you dont know what your doing
[05:58] <Eleaf> Hello.
[05:58] <twb> Therefore you only use root when Bad Things are necessary
[05:58] <frostburn> james296, all root commands can be done by sudo, sudo -i
[05:58] <marginoferror> james296: Ubuntu is designed to be usable without ever logging in as root
[05:58] <james296> so how can I enable the same theme Im using?
[05:58] <r00tintheb0x> lolol twb
[05:58] <r00tintheb0x> good job!
[05:58] <r00tintheb0x> Now you can laugh @ them for being morons.
[05:58] <qweqweqwe> twb: is that another way of asking asl ?
[05:59] <Cew_DolPinz> hhhhy
[05:59] <marginoferror> jordan__: Okay.  That is easier to set up.
[05:59] <james296> LOL
[05:59] <jordan__> marginoferror : I am not competent enough to mess with email servers (yet?) but ssh is within my grasp.  thank you for your help
[05:59] <Eleaf> I upgraded to feisty on my ibook, and now my synaptics touchpad has tap-to-click enabled, and it's really annoying having the mouse click almost every time I touch the trackpad.  I tried to disable it using various xorg.conf settings from the forums (which worked for a few hours), but now it has randomly reverted back to tapping after I woke it from a brisk sleep.
[05:59] <twb> qweqweqwe: that's a question your should ask yourself, Megatron.
[05:59] <jhon> Hi, someone can help me with SSH please!! (msg me)
[05:59] <marginoferror> jordan__: Good luck.  Remember that you don't necessarily need SSH forwarding over your home network - you can use X without encryption
[05:59] <arooni> should in enable the option:  "Plug & Play O/S" for ubuntu 7.04 (in bios)?
[05:59] <james296> ok, Im being serious, if I want this to be the way I want it to be, let me do it, after all, Ubuntu is meant mainly for users to tweak the OS to their very needs
[05:59] <NETWizz> I upgraded my video card and the instructions for linux won't work
[06:00] <NETWizz> It says righ tin the instructions manual to type
[06:00] <NETWizz> yum install nvidia-glx.i386
[06:00] <Eleaf> Does anybody know of a way to disable the horrible tapping??  I tried enabling SHMconfig in xorg, but qsynaptics and gsynaptics say it's disabled
[06:00] <r00tintheb0x> Okay, why the hell arent any of my email clients working w/GMail pop.
[06:00] <marginoferror> jordan__: If this seems insecure, remember that downloading mail via POP is almost always plaintext over the internet anyway =)
[06:00] <james296> so how do I enable it?
[06:00] <Flannel> NETWizz: that's because your instructions are short sighted.  You don't need to do that, you need to install it from the repos:
[06:00] <Flannel> !nvidia | NETWizz
[06:00] <ubotu> NETWizz: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:00] <Ashfire908> sudo smdo, i use root terminal more. then again i'm always using commands as root cause i'm always making folders in places like /home/
[06:00] <chylli> I cant find file /usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu.xmodmap used in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ubuntu-xmodmap
[06:00] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, BIOS
[06:00] <chylli> where can I find it ?
[06:00] <r00tintheb0x> CMOS, whatever
[06:00] <NETWizz> thanks
[06:01] <jordan__> marginoferrror how would I run programs on another computer without ssh with x forwarding
[06:01] <Eleaf> r00723r0, uhm, there is none on ibooks silly.  It's in Xorg.
[06:01] <jhon> Hi, someone can help me with SSH please!! (msg me)
[06:01] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, ^^
[06:01] <Flannel> !anyone | jhon
[06:01] <ubotu> jhon: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[06:01] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, tapping is enabled/disabled with the xorg sssdfynaptics options (grr tapped)
[06:01] <Eleaf> synaptics options*
[06:01] <marginoferror> jordan__: X itself is meant to be run over a network.  That's how it's designed.  So you can do two things:
[06:01] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, "the horrible tapping" i take it is your synaptics pad?
[06:01] <Eleaf> yes r00tintheb0x
[06:01] <jhon> I have installed SSH server in Dappe, can acces from the terminal server but not from another computer, the port 22 in router its open
[06:02] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, there was a big problem with trackpad users in dapper, and now it's happening to me suddenly in feisty.
[06:02] <Eleaf> people couldn't disable tapping, I can't figure it out either.
[06:02] <Eleaf> After disabling tap and adding SHMconfig in xorg.conf, the tapping went away, untill I put my computer to sleep and opened it up again now it sef the tapping
[06:02] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, check this out "sudo aptitude show sssdfynaptics"
[06:02] <marginoferror> jordan__: You can use ssh to launch the command on one machine but displaying on another
[06:02] <p1ls> how can i zip a file in linux
[06:02] <marginoferror> jordan__: (I haven't done this in a long time)
[06:02] <r00tintheb0x> Might be of help Eleaf
[06:02] <Eleaf> ...
[06:03] <Eleaf> uhm, no.
[06:03] <jordan__> marginoferror: yes that is what i was talking about
[06:03] <CheeseGardener> Question: what is the manual disk setup for a system with 3gb of ram, and 250 gb of hard drive space????? should I put 6 gb of swap? how much for / and /home?????
[06:03] <marginoferror> jordan__: Or you can directly log on to that machine remotely.  Ubuntu's login screen supports logging in elsewhere using XDMCP or something - my acronym might be mixed up there
[06:03] <p1ls> how can i zip a file in linux
[06:03] <Eleaf> That was a typo due to the tapping r00tintheb0x ...
[06:03] <frostburn> p1ls, $zip or use the gui and archive
[06:03] <r00tintheb0x> p1ls, type this "man zip"
[06:03] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, I have the packages installed, it's a bug in ubuntu.
[06:03] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, who "um no"
[06:03] <james296> never mind I figured it out
[06:03] <craigbass1976> So today I saw a "desktop effects" choice as I was noodling through stuff looking for a change of scenery.  How long has been there?  I just upgraded to feisty from dapper a couple weeks ago, but it might have been in dapper for months and I didn't know.  I like the cube desktop
[06:03] <jhon> I have installed SSH server in Dappe, can acces from the terminal server but not from another computer, the port 22 in router its open
[06:03] <Eleaf> I'm wondering if therums has helpede is a way around it, since nothing from the forr
[06:03] <r00tintheb0x> okay, then why are we trying to fix it here?
[06:03] <Eleaf> grr tapping!!!
[06:03] <craigbass1976> So today I saw a "desktop effects" choice as I was noodling through stuff looking for a change of scenery.  How long has been there?  I just upgraded to feisty from dapper a couple weeks ago, but it might have been in dapper for months and I didn't know.  I like the cube desktop
[06:03] <r00tintheb0x> craigbass1976, enough!
[06:03] <jordan__> marginoferror: i am aware of these methods of x forwarding
[06:04] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, because I'm using ubuntu, what do you thinK??
[06:04] <marginoferror> jordan__: The difference is that SSH with X forwarding is tunneled through SSH and is encrypted, while using SSH to launch the program doesn't necessarily have to be.  But now that I think about it...  X forwarding is much easier to set up and more robust.  So I guess that is a better option.
[06:04] <Flannel> jhon: Are you sure your IP is correct?
[06:04] <r00tintheb0x> jesus god.
[06:04] <jhon> Flannel: yeap! sure!
[06:04] <marginoferror> jordan__: Okay.  I think I've reached the limit of my knowledge now, but good luck
[06:04] <Flannel> marginoferror, jordan__, XDMCP also is UDP only, which means it (by itself) can't traverse your NAT.
[06:04] <craigbass1976> r00tintheb0x, only half my post went up the first time, or did everyone else see all of it?
[06:04] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, if its a known bug, rewrite the code, recompile the code, and use the program.
[06:04] <Eleaf> Anybody know about athe syn
[06:04] <Eleaf> anybody know about the synaptics problem?
[06:04] <Flannel> jhon: What happens when you connect?  Refused? or what?
[06:04] <marginoferror> Flannel: This is true, but I think in this case he's accessing a gateway from a client inside his NAT
[06:04] <jordan__> Flannel: are you sure?
[06:04] <marginoferror> Flannel: Could be wrong
[06:04] <r00tintheb0x> craigbass1976, if its too long for one line, use two. If you're going to flood, use a pastebin.
[06:04] <jhon> when I try to connect just wait and after a few minuts say the time is over
[06:04] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, that's one of the most ridiculous requests I've heard recently..
[06:05] <Flannel> jordan__: I am.
[06:05] <jordan__> Flannel: I use XDMCP through NATs all the time
[06:05] <CheeseGardener> Question: what is the manual disk setup for a system with 3gb of ram, and 250 gb of hard drive space????? should I put 6 gb of swap? how much for / and /home?????
[06:05] <r00tintheb0x> craigbass1976, its been there for a while i thin.
[06:05] <r00tintheb0x> k
[06:05] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, that helps me in no way at all.
[06:05] <Nutubuntu> craigbass1976, looked the same both times, fwiw
[06:05] <craigbass1976> hrmmm  I thought four was usually the limit
[06:05] <jhon> but if I connect from a terminal in the same server it works
[06:05] <Eleaf> a very bad excuse.
[06:05] <Flannel> jordan__: within the NAT yes, not outside of it
[06:05] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, what do you want to accomplish?
[06:05] <r00tintheb0x> You said there's a Bug in xorg.
[06:05] <Eleaf> disable trackpad tapping r00tintheb0x
[06:05] <jordan__> Flannel: I use XDMCP through school NATs to home.  Yes, insecure.. but i dont care
[06:05] <r00tintheb0x> SQUASH IT!
[06:06] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, there are many people with this problem, but I haven't seen anybody with feisty, all really old versions.
[06:06] <Flannel> jordan__: using nothing but XDMCP?
[06:06] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, my trackpad has worked fine without tapping, but it was suddenly enabled in feisty.
[06:06] <jordan__> Flannel: yes
[06:06] <Flannel> jhon: it says time is over?  What says that?
[06:06] <marginoferror> Anyone know what compiz.real does and why it might crash in Gutsy?
[06:06] <Flannel> marginoferror: #ubuntu+1 for gutsy support, thanks
[06:06] <r00tintheb0x> okay Eleaf so you upgraded i take it?
[06:06] <Eleaf> yes, from dapper.
[06:06] <Flannel> Eleaf: Feisty straight from Dapper?
[06:06] <marginoferror> Flannel: kk, I didn't know about that
[06:06] <Eleaf> trackpad tapping is horrible
[06:06] <Eleaf> yeah Flannel
[06:07] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, have you tried "Option "MaxTapTime" "0"" in xorg.conf?
[06:07] <Eleaf> I did r00tintheb0x
[06:07] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, can you not disable it in CMOS?
[06:07] <Eleaf> That works for a few hours, but then tapping suddenly comes back
[06:07] <jernster> is it possible to move a thunderbird profile from windows over to linux?
[06:07] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, there is no CMOS or BIOS on apples.
[06:07] <qweqweqwe> so can someone tell me how to get remove 3D Desktop Effects?
[06:07] <Flannel> Eleaf: That's not recommended, by the way.  Could (concievably) be part of your problem.  Which kernel are you running currently?
[06:07] <r00tintheb0x> im sorry Eleaf repeat, i cleared the screen
[06:07] <qweqweqwe> Eleaf: of course there is
[06:07] <r00tintheb0x> ooooh Eleaf its an apple.
[06:07] <r00tintheb0x> well, there actually is.
[06:07] <Nutubuntu> CheeseGardener, there's no One True Way to partition. I'd keep /home separate from everything else, and I ended up making separate / and /boot. If I remember correctly -- not sure -- the 2X RAM rule of thumb for swap is for coredumps and (very hazy here) the kernel doesn't do 'em? That doesn't sound right to me ... someone know?
[06:07] <r00tintheb0x> everything has a cmos.
[06:07] <r00tintheb0x> pretty much,.
[06:07] <Eleaf> Flannel, ethanlofton 2.6.20-16-powerpc #3
[06:08] <qweqweqwe> and bios
[06:08] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, paste me your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to http://pastebin.ca please.
[06:08] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, yes I did add those lines, and it works untill the computer sleeps.
[06:08] <Eleaf> I added a bunch of other settings as well since tap time 0 didn't work right away.
[06:08] <marginoferror> CheeseGardener: If you have 3GB of RAM I can't imagine why you would ever need swap space at all
[06:08] <Flannel> Eleaf: Ah, right.  You lucked out with the PPC, no generic transition.
[06:08] <Eleaf> marginoferror, that's not a lot.
[06:09] <marginoferror> Eleaf: 3GB isn't?  Maybe I'm behind the times
[06:09] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Apple_MacBook#How_to_make_Synaptics_Touchpad_survive_suspend.2Fresume
[06:09] <Eleaf> depends.
[06:09] <marginoferror> CheeseGardener: Even so, I recommend skipping the swap partition altogether unless you have a specific reason you need one
[06:09] <r00tintheb0x> BAM problem solved.
[06:09] <marginoferror> CheeseGardener: If you ever DO run out of memory, you can always make a swap file instead.  They are a bit slower, but if you rarely use them then that's not an issue
[06:10] <Flannel> marginoferror: If you plan on hibernating, you need swap >= RAM
[06:10] <CheeseGardener> Alright, I'll take that into mind.
[06:10] <jhon> Flannel : says connect to host x.x.x.x. port 22 conection timed out
[06:10] <marginoferror> Flannel: ???  Hibernation uses swap to store contents of RAM?  What happens to memory that's already in swap?
[06:10] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, Flannel : here is my xorg.conf, http://pastebin.ca/648315
[06:10] <CheeseGardener> what about the space needed for / and /home?  how much of the 250 gigs should I put into each?????
[06:10] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, did you look @ that link i just posted?
[06:10] <Eleaf> man trackpad tapping is sooo bad!  I can barely even use my computer...
[06:11] <Eleaf> yes r00tintheb0x
[06:11] <marginoferror> CheeseGardener: Well, honestly, I usually use one big partition nowadays
[06:11] <r00tintheb0x> Have you done as suggested?
[06:11] <jhon> Flannel : says connect to host x.x.x.x. port 22 conection timed out
[06:11] <Flannel> CheeseGardener: home is your leftover space (since it's the place all your personal stuffs goes).  / can be... uh, 30GB will be more than enough.  10GB is probably more too.
[06:11] <Eleaf> where is it saying 'appletouch'?
[06:11] <marginoferror> CheeseGardener: But you won't need much space in /.  Put ten or twenty gigs there and you'll have plenty for almost any case.
[06:11] <Eleaf> That code makes no sense to me r00tintheb0x
[06:11] <Eleaf> there is no 'appletouch'
[06:11] <evri2> do you know how can i stop GPU throllting?(I want my GPU work at full speed)
[06:12] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, and the device is /dev/psaux
[06:12] <marginoferror> CheeseGardener: You will never fill a drive that big with applications - it's media or other data that takes up the space, and that goes in /home
[06:12] <Eleaf> not a /input device r00tintheb0x
[06:12] <Nutubuntu> CheeseGardener, I gave 120MB to /boot and 15GB to / ... they both look like a lot right now, not much stuff there ... and gave /home the rest.
[06:12] <Flannel> marginoferror: yes, hibernation writes RAM to the harddrive, in the swap space.
[06:12] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, "sudo echo " SUBSYSTEM=="input",KERNEL=="event*",SYSFS{name}=="appletouch",SYMLINK+="input/appletouchpad"" >> /etc/udev/rules.d/70-appletouch.rules
[06:12] <Flannel> jhon: Are you getting connection noise in your sshd logs?
[06:12] <r00tintheb0x> DO IT!
[06:12] <r00tintheb0x> DO IT!
[06:12] <the_giver> wait.. how do i get to the live cd
[06:12] <the_giver> if i have the install cd.. how do i "envoke" the live cd part
[06:12] <marginoferror> Flannel: I didn't know that.  But if the swap is already being used for something - say you don't have much RAM - then will that give an error and refuse to hibernate?
[06:13] <Flannel> the_giver: Do you have the desktop or alternate CD?
[06:13] <jhon> Flannel : dont know what are you talking about
[06:13] <the_giver> desktop
[06:13] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, what is 'appletouch'?
[06:13] <jpdp> This is related to something I asked the other day, but: Does anyone know how well/poorly sdparm works for setting idle spindown times on RAID arrays?  I'm trying to build an energy efficient file server, and keeping a large array spinning while not in use seems to be a waste.
[06:13] <Eleaf> there is no such device
[06:13] <bruenig> marginoferror, refuse to hibernate, not likely, crazy failure is more like it
[06:13] <the_giver> ? so
[06:13] <Flannel> the_giver: then boot to it, choose the first option at the boot menu (or just wait) and that'll give you a live environment
[06:13] <jhon> I can have VNC and FTP and HTTP , Mail but not SSH
[06:13] <Eleaf> and there is no input/appletouchpad r00tintheb0x
[06:13] <Eleaf> it's /dev/psaux
[06:13] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, i have no clue... im sure google does thouhg. I havent owned an apple since the early 90's
[06:13] <Flannel> jhon: Er... then how do you expect to connect with ssh?
[06:13] <Eleaf> not /dev/appletouch , or /dev/input
[06:13] <marginoferror> bruenig: Hmm.....  That sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
[06:13] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, it doesn't matter that it's an apple.  It's ubuntu!
[06:13] <bruenig> marginoferror, just know what you are doing and you are fine
[06:13] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, "sudo lsmod |grep touch"
[06:14] <Eleaf> I'm having the same problem as many other touchpad synaptics users.
[06:14] <r00tintheb0x> Okay eleaf, thats why my DELL does not tap.
[06:14] <cfedde> what's your favorite SNMP console on ubuntu?
[06:14] <r00tintheb0x> :)
[06:14] <jhon> What I try to say is, I CAN connect with HTTP, FTP, MAIL, VNC but SSH dont work
[06:14] <Eleaf> Ubuntu disables shared memory, which disallows trackpad disabling
[06:14] <twb> r00tintheb0x: ugh, it apparently has mawk but not awk
[06:14] <cables> I'm having trouble getting an mencoder command right, I'd like to convert mjpeg to x264 (with defaults) and mp3lame at 96kbps abr... can anyone give me the command for that?
[06:14] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, synaptics?
[06:14] <Flannel> jhon: right.  and I'm asking you to check your sshd logs
[06:14] <r00tintheb0x> You figure it out Eleaf.
[06:14] <r00tintheb0x> Yes Eleaf
[06:14] <marginoferror> bruenig: What happens to the guy who has 1 GB of swap for his 512 megs of ram, then upgrades to 2 GB of ram?  There must be a better way to hibernate.
[06:14] <r00tintheb0x> dang twb
[06:14] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, mine usually never taps either, it was added in fesity automatically.
[06:14] <Eleaf> I just want to disable it r00tintheb0x !
[06:14] <emeriste> What does it mean when a channel has two ##
[06:14] <Eleaf> Flannel, did you check the xorg.conf?
[06:14] <twb> r00tintheb0x: what annoys me is that Ubuntu *ships* with these bugs
[06:15] <Flannel> Eleaf: I know nothing of X
[06:15] <Eleaf> emeriste, it's an information channel, doesn't really matter.
[06:15] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, im telling you how to fix it and you're arguing with me. The problem lies in your hardware...
[06:15] <r00tintheb0x> twb, i know, i've found a couple too.
[06:15] <Eleaf> emeriste, just kinda helps group channels that aren't a project name with a ##.
[06:15] <r00tintheb0x> But it IS free...
[06:15] <Eleaf> Flannel, I gave you a link
[06:15] <Justi1> does anyone know of any ubuntu installations that can be done from floppy disk? I tried one in the online docs, but it uses a debian installer.
[06:15] <bruenig> marginoferror, you can make it write the file to a non swap partition if you want, but I think that requires some manually cleaning
[06:15] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, it doesn't lie in my hardware, considering it worked fine in dapper.
[06:15] <Flannel> Eleaf: right, I saw it.  I don't know anything with respect to X.
[06:15] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, dapper to feisty is a software change.
[06:15] <jhon> where i can find that logs ?
[06:15] <Eleaf> Flannel, it's synaptics
[06:15] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, do you not understand that MACs have a problem coming back from suspend?
[06:16] <Eleaf> that's rediculous r00tintheb0x
[06:16] <Flannel> Eleaf: right, I have no GUI.  Thus no idea how X breaks and how to fix.
[06:16] <Eleaf> my touchpad keeps working after suspend r00tintheb0x