[11:30] <Jucato> !botsnack
[11:30] <ubotu> Yum!
[11:31] <Jucato> good job :)
[11:31] <mem_> hehe OK, so you're alive :) Thank you.. this has had me for 2 days
[11:31] <mem_> Well not 2 solid days, but 2 evenings
[11:31] <Jucato> yep. I'm alive. whether I'm a bot or not... that still needs to be seen :)
[11:32] <cobra_> someone here?
[11:32] <underdog5004> I am
[11:32] <cobra_> somebody knows how i acces the build in ftp programm?
[11:33] <cobra_> kftp i believe
[11:33] <Jucato> ftp:/ in Konqueror
[11:33] <underdog5004> ftp://
[11:33] <Jucato> or sftp:/ for SSH
[11:33] <underdog5004> I love ssh
[11:33] <underdog5004> I ssh every day
[11:34] <Hawai`i> :)
[11:35] <underdog5004> So, I was reading this article on DIGG about how ubuntu is better than windows at wireless, and they were talking about !knetwork manager. So I figgered, hey, why not give it a shot, right? Well, I installed it, and it didn't even _detect_ my wireless card...
[11:35] <Hawai`i> why isn't there a way to get to a recover in a GUI........ :PP
[11:35] <cobra__> same here underdog :)
[11:35] <mem_> I'm a little confused by the kubuntu live cd .. operation...
[11:35] <underdog5004> Hawai`i, if you know what you're doing, you can boot from the ubuntu liveCD or from another version of linux, like DSL
[11:35] <underdog5004> mem_, in what way?
[11:35] <mem_> My boyfriend plays around in a text... based ... thing
[11:35] <Hawai`i> I am booted from liveCD
[11:35] <mem_> looks like the konsole
[11:36] <underdog5004> mem_, lol, the konsole?
[11:36] <mem_> where he installs things... has various umm.. windows
[11:36] <mem_> nono, I'm just comparing it to the konsole
[11:36] <underdog5004> mem_, ah, ok, keep going
[11:36] <mem_> He types in commands there, and can log in and out through a text area..
[11:36] <underdog5004> ok
[11:36] <mem_> and he starts up KDE by
[11:36] <mem_> start x?
[11:36] <Jucato> Konsole is a program. Konsole is a terminal (console) emulator :)
[11:36] <mem_> Where is this? lol
[11:36] <underdog5004> sounds like he's booting into the CLI and starting X
[11:36] <underdog5004> startx
[11:37] <Jucato> Command line
[11:37] <underdog5004> mem_, it's just a recovery console, or basically, it's just a Command line
[11:37] <underdog5004> startx to get a gui
[11:37] <mem_> its just a little confusing to me.. because it was too easy to get in
[11:37] <mem_> if you get what I mean? lol
[11:37] <underdog5004> mem_, I don't, please explain
[11:38] <mem_> He had to set up his linux machine through .. whatever area you just called that. At first it didn't even have a gui, he had to install things through.. a blue & red kernel configurator?
[11:38] <mem_> Me.. I just put in the disc and everything worked
[11:39] <underdog5004> mem, he used the alternate install disk
[11:39] <underdog5004> you used the liveCD
[11:39] <eeos> amarok 1.4.5 is out! no pacages for kubuntu yet, what a shame. :P
[11:39] <eeos> hi everybody, by the way
[11:40] <Jucato> eeos: patience is a virtue
[11:40] <underdog5004> eeos, you could just compile
[11:40] <mem_> Thanks underdog :)
[11:40] <underdog5004> mem_, lol, np
[11:40] <mem_> I kind of wish I'd found the alternate one.. I wanted this to be harder
[11:40] <subzerounderdawg> does anyone know any cyber managerment cum cyber billing soft for linux just like CafeSuite for Win
[11:40] <mem_> Can you tell me where it is?
[11:40] <underdog5004> not often I meet a girl in the #kubuntu channel...
[11:40] <mem_> Yea but I'm all geeky and stuff
[11:40] <eeos> underdog5004 co - mp -i -l, I think I heard this word before :P
[11:40] <underdog5004> rofl @ eeos
[11:41] <cobra__> ok another question i have ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run how do i execute it? sudo exec ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run won't work
[11:41] <cobra__> sh
[11:41] <cobra__> sudo sh
[11:41] <cobra__> stupid me
[11:41] <underdog5004> ./
[11:41] <underdog5004> lol
[11:41] <underdog5004> eeos, not so fast...kaffeine is pretty good
[11:42] <eeos> underdog5004 yes, I use for watching dvd'S
[11:42] <mem_> so many programs for the same kind of thing
[11:42] <mem_> its sooooo bloated! >.<
[11:42] <underdog5004> yeah...my kaffeine is killin' me right now
[11:42] <eeos> underdog5004 would be nice to do everything with the sam player
[11:42] <underdog5004> Kaffeine does everything for me
[11:43] <underdog5004> mp3, avi, mpeg, dvd, even access remote files on my server
[11:43] <cobra__> yeah me to especially staying awake:d
[11:43] <cobra__> -e [11:43] <cobra__> -e  ATI Technologies Linux Driver Installer/Packager
[11:43] <cobra__> -e [11:43] <cobra__> ./ati-installer.sh: 165: Syntax error: Bad substitution
[11:43] <cobra__> Removing temporary directory: fglrx-install
[11:43] <cobra__> cobra@linux:~/tmp/firefox/downloads$
[11:43] <cobra__> sux
[11:43] <Jucato> !pastebin | cobra__
[11:43] <ubotu> cobra__: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:43] <underdog5004> It's not bloated, it's big boned
[11:43] <underdog5004> lol
[11:44] <Hektik_Ninja> underdog I found out the splash btw
[11:44] <underdog5004> Hektik_Ninja, very cool
[11:44] <underdog5004> got it all figured out?
[11:45] <cobra__> no:D
[11:45] <Hektik_Ninja> yeah
[11:45] <mem_> Well I'm super happy to have sound now.  Do you guys have Beryl?
[11:45] <underdog5004> mem_, I will in a week or so, getting a new computer
[11:46] <mem_> I'm putting on this, a crappy little laptop
[11:46] <mem_> just because I can
[11:46] <underdog5004> well, new to me, anyway
[11:46] <mem_> haha!
[11:46] <mem_> Preloved :P
[11:46] <underdog5004> mem_, if it's old, you may be interested in Xubuntu...less eyecandy, but also less overhead
[11:46] <Jucato> (also a bit less features)
[11:47] <mem_> Its about 2 years old.. not too shabby really.
[11:47] <mem_> It was old enough to say.. I have another computer.. time to do whatever I want with the laptop
[11:47] <mem_> Then someone showed me a Beryl video on YouTube.
[11:47] <mem_> I knew what I had to do...
[11:48] <underdog5004> mem_, oh, not at all...didn't realise it was so recent....I run kubuntu edgy pretty well on my 933Mhz box w/ 512Mb RAM
[11:48] <underdog5004> just can't do pretty things yet
[11:48] <mem_> Laptop = Skype, Beryl & Portabl music device. So it won't die
[11:48] <underdog5004> mem_, lol, odds are it won't work for you, the beryl
[11:48] <mem_> I can try though :D
[11:48] <zorglu_> installed beryl this weekend on my alternate laptop, and loving it :)
[11:49] <mem_> If it doesn't there are 2 other computers I can mess with to try it
[11:49] <mem_> :D lucky sucker
[11:49] <underdog5004> lol
[11:49] <mem_> heh
[11:49] <zorglu_> Jucato: you got no window border when you launch beryl ?
[11:50] <mem_> Oh yeah, I think I chose Kubuntu because KDE was supposedly prettier, and easier to install Beryl with or something? Anyway thats how I got here :S
[11:50] <underdog5004> I'm so ready for a _really_ pretty desktop...I was satisfied for a while with KDE...now I want more
[11:50] <Jucato> zorglu_: uhuh.. and no wavey splash screen either
[11:50] <zorglu_> Jucato: i got this bug during the weekend, first it worked, then no window decoration, and now it works ok :) i havent done anything in between
[11:50] <Jucato> which is a bit puzzling.. since when I installed beryl last january, I had both, until an X restart...
[11:50] <cobra__> i saw a 3d way in the faqs of kubuntu
[11:51] <mem_> The Beryl-gicians vixed it - zorglu
[11:51] <mem_> fixed, even
[11:51] <zorglu_> Jucato: what is weird is that the window decoration part is the same for all (only the 3d backend change with the various cards) so the bug you got should be experienced by a lot of people, no ?
[11:51] <Jucato> zorglu_: it's an intermittent bug experienced by a lot of people
[11:52] <zorglu_> mem_: i guess :)
[11:52] <Jucato> :)
[11:52] <zorglu_> Jucato: ah ok, so it is the one i got too :)
[11:52] <Jucato> yep. and there are fixes for it or ways to go around it... but I just reinstall beryl this morning (it's evening now) and haven't had the time to play around
[11:52] <zorglu_> which is good because it mean they will work on fixing it :)
[11:53] <mem_> Anyway, thanks guys. I'll probably be back in a couple of days with another problem :( :)
[11:53] <zorglu_> Jucato: yep my spirit too, i force myself to use it to find out how it can be usefull
[11:54] <Jucato> zorglu_: I know how it can be useful for me. mostly the transparencies, the improved performance in terms of redrawing windows, etc. and entertainment to keep me from snoozing
[11:54] <Jucato> only 2 things I don't find remotely useful would be wobbly windows and the cube...
[11:54] <JohnFlux> I tried beryl, liked what I saw, but had to disable it pretty quickly because I missed kwin :/
[11:55] <Jucato> JohnFlux: I share your sentiments... which is why I can't wait for *you know what*
[11:55] <JohnFlux> indeed
[11:55] <JohnFlux> actually the cube is really useful
[11:55] <Jucato> I mean, the stability and features of kwin plus the eye-candy of beryl... where can you go wrong?
[11:55] <JohnFlux> I don't tend to use multiple desktops because for some reason I just can't deal with it spacially
[11:55] <Jucato> JohnFlux: not as useful as the "grid" (pager), although more beautiful
[11:56] <JohnFlux> but the cube makes all the desktops fit together in my mind
[11:56] <Jucato> if you've seen Metisse, you'd know what I mean
[11:56] <JohnFlux> dunno what metisse is
[11:56] <underdog5004> a beautiful thing...I'm u/l the torrent right now
[11:56] <Jucato> another compositing window manager. Mandriva's the proponent thiss time
[11:57] <Jucato> it implements thing differently though... and imho has more useful applications (except 1)
[11:57] <underdog5004> I gotta say, it looks pretty cool _and_ functional
[11:57] <zorglu_> Jucato: a fork or written from scratch ?
[11:57] <Jucato> Mandriva One 2007 CD has it.. except it's GNOME!!!
[11:57] <Jucato> zorglu_: from scratch, but seems to have been in development earlier and longer than Compize
[11:57] <Adross> is just install kubuntu-desktop from my ubuntu system. For some reason whenever i try to boot into kde, it freezes after a few seconds. I'm guessing this isn't design behaviour, so how do i fix it?
[11:57] <Jucato> Compiz**
[11:58] <zorglu_> ok
[11:58] <Jucato> but nothing beats Enlightenment when it comes to "been in development longer"
[11:58] <underdog5004> lol @ Jucato
[11:58] <Jucato> JohnFlux, zorglu_: http://www.mandriva.com/projects/metisse
[11:58] <Jucato> driva's behind it now, but it was an independent project before, afaik
[11:59] <zorglu_> http://honeybrown.ca/Pubs/BumpTop.html <- jucato, have you seen the bump3d stuff ? another use of 3d to make it more then pure eyes candy
[11:59] <zorglu_> definitly worth to watch the video :)
[12:00] <Adross> anyone?
[12:00] <Jucato> I've seen that months ago :)
[12:00] <userbn> hai...kenalan donk
[12:00] <zorglu_> Jucato: damn im late :) what do you think about it ?
[12:00] <underdog5004> zorglu_, yeah, that's pretty old...
[12:00] <underdog5004> looks cool
[12:00] <Jucato> Adross: are you sure you have completelyu downloaded all files needed kubuntu-desktop? can you try installing kubuntu-desktop again to be sure nothing is left behind?
[12:01] <Jucato> zorglu_: the technology used to implement it is useful, but the concept is a bit.. um... well...
[12:01] <Adross> Jucato: all in
[12:01] <Jucato> Let's just say that I'm not a fan of the whole desktop metaphor
[12:01] <zorglu_> underdog5004: it try to promote this video to get it known. but almost all people say 'just eyes candy' :)
[12:01] <Jucato> ugh! why do I get drawn into these offtopic things :P
[12:01] <Jucato> Adross: hm..
[12:02] <Adross> i've deleted ~/.kde
[12:02] <zorglu_> Jucato: hehe ok :)
[12:02] <Adross> no effect
[12:02] <zorglu_> gcc  -g -O2 -Wall  -o ez-ipupdate  ez-ipupdate.o conf_file.o md5.o cache_file.o pid_file.o
[12:02] <zorglu_> /usr/bin/ld: errno: TLS definition in /lib/libc.so.6 section .tbss mismatches non-TLS reference in conf_file.o
[12:02] <Jucato> Adross: er... don't do that again, btw. deleting ~/.kde
[12:02] <Jucato> unless you have a backup
[12:02] <zorglu_> ok on topic, trying to config a dnydns i got this weird gcc error, any suggestion ?
[12:03] <Adross> Jucato: kk
[12:03] <Jucato> Adross: at what point does KDE freeze?
[12:04] <Alarm> is there a way to clean up a bit my memory/swap from the unused data ?
[12:04] <Jucato> Alarm: huh?
[12:04] <Adross> the dialogue of starting services disappears, gives me the desktop for 0.5 seconds, then freezes
[12:04] <MidMark> what is the command to view all groups like apache group?
[12:05] <Alarm> Jucato,  under windows for example that do make a memory clean up and free some memory, if there is something that i could use in linux as well
[12:05] <Jucato> Alarm: Linux handles memory differently and better than windows. there's no need for freeing memory
[12:05] <Jucato> !ram
[12:05] <ubotu> A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[12:05] <Jucato> a bit of reading you might want to look into ^^^
[12:05] <Jucato> not for the faint of heart though :P
[12:06] <underdog5004> Alarm, that was probably a scam piece of software that did nothing but move stuff from RAM to the page file...lol
[12:06] <Alarm> Jucato,  why do i see then 300mb of RAm memory free, and the system is using 200mb from my swap ?
[12:06] <underdog5004> basically, you WANT your RAM to be maxxed out
[12:06] <Jucato> Alarm: how much RAM do you have?
[12:06] <Alarm> 512 .
[12:06] <Jucato> and where are you seeing this?
[12:06] <underdog5004> Alarm, I generally only have about 50 Mb free at any given idle time
[12:06] <Alarm> the system is using 150mb from my ram, and the rest 300 is being stored in the swap although there are like 350mb available in the ram
[12:07] <Jucato> Alarm: where are you seeing that the system is only using 150MB of RAM?
[12:07] <cobra__> yea me is wondering that also :)
[12:07] <Jucato> Alarm: launch KInfoCenter (from K Menu -> System) and go to the Memory Section. to see a sort of visual representation of memory usage
[12:08] <Alarm> Jucato,  ksysguard
[12:08] <underdog5004> or top
[12:08] <MidMark> how can I show system groups in console?
[12:08] <Jucato> ksysguard...
[12:08] <Alarm> Jucato,  thats what i did :)
[12:08] <Jucato> Alarm: kinfocenter, not ksysguard...
[12:08] <Alarm> application takes 150-200mb , and the rest is cachable
[12:08] <Jucato> Alarm: and?
[12:08] <Jucato> in the Swap portion?
[12:08] <Alarm> and although there is plenty of free space in the ram, i see 300mb more used in the swap
[12:09] <Alarm> 300mb in the swap for applciation
[12:09] <Jucato> by applications?
[12:09] <Alarm> yes
[12:09] <Alarm> want a snaphost ?
[12:09] <Jucato> hm.. ok.. that is definitely not normal, if I'm understanding you correctly
[12:09] <cobra__> i only have 3mb available :)
[12:09] <Jucato> yes please
[12:09] <Alarm> hold on
[12:10] <underdog5004> I've got 57 Mb RAM free...and 167Mb Swap used...
[12:11] <Skrot-> <- 331MB used, 1.74GB free =)
[12:11] <Alarm> underdog5004,  thats exactly what i mean. why is the swap being used when there is free memory . an hd is always slowler than physical memory
[12:11] <Jucato> Alarm: I don't have DCC (port 8001)
[12:11] <Alarm> Jucato,  dcc not working ?
[12:11] <Alarm> ok hold on
[12:12] <underdog5004> Alarm, whoops...just did a sudo apt-get autoremove, and my RAM went down to 6Mb free
[12:12] <Alarm> http://alarm.kicks-ass.net:443/mem4.jpg
[12:12] <Jucato> that ain't kinfocenter
[12:12] <JohnFlux> Alarm: the theoritical reason is because imagine you have an app that's allocated memory, but you're not using
[12:12] <Jucato> I said KInfoCenter
[12:12] <Alarm> underdog5004,  autoremove just removes unneeded packages
[12:12] <JohnFlux> Alarm: so the best thing for the OS to do is to swap out that app
[12:12] <Alarm> Jucato,  ok wait to check in the kinfo center
[12:12] <Jucato> Alarm: kinfocenter please
[12:12] <underdog5004> Alarm, I know
[12:12] <JohnFlux> Alarm: then use the memory as cache/buffers for your running apps
[12:13] <JohnFlux> Alarm: theoritically, it is possible for it to be faster for it to use swap then to not
[12:13] <Alarm> Jucato,  http://alarm.kicks-ass.net:443/mem5.jpg
[12:13] <Jucato> Basic Linux Memory Fact: Linux uses up all physical RAM first before using swap. If application Data doesn't consume all RAM, Linux uses the remaining memory for Disk Cache. when applications need more RAM, it frees up some amount from Disk Cache to give to applications. if even that runs out (it keeps a certain amount of RAM for DiskCache always), then it uses swap
[12:14] <aldelv> I want to have a 'window resize' sash in the lower right corner of the window.  How can I get this ?
[12:14] <Jucato> looks perfectly normal Alarm
[12:14] <JohnFlux> Jucato: not 100% right - read what I wrote :-)
[12:14] <Jucato> JohnFlux: any comment on the KInfoCenter screen?
[12:14] <Jucato> JohnFlux: heheh
[12:15] <Alarm> Jucato,  if its right, when i got more than 200mb free ram, (even cached) , why doesnt my system handle that ram , instead of writing to the swap . thats my question
[12:15] <JohnFlux> Jucato: the kernel tries to be clever about prematurely swapping out apps
[12:15] <JohnFlux> i.e. before they are needed
[12:15] <JohnFlux> Jucato: it it swaps out too late, then the computer can suddenly freeze
[12:15] <JohnFlux> if it swaps out too early, it's annoying
[12:15] <Jucato> Alarm: 178.61MB is being used for Disk Cache
[12:15] <JohnFlux> Jucato: to fine tune this, there's a kernel parameter called "swapiness"
[12:16] <Jucato> afaik, it absolutely has to leave some data in RAM as Disck Cache
[12:16] <Jucato> JohnFlux: oh I've heard of that swapiness :)
[12:16] <underdog5004> I love linux, what other OS has a variable entitled "swapiness"?
[12:16] <Alarm> Jucato,  i can see that. the point is that even if i would have 2gb of ram, it system would cache the memory , and would write on the swap. whats the sense in that ?
[12:16] <Jucato> JohnFlux: can you comment if Alarm's KInfoCenter screenshot is reporting a normal situation?
[12:17] <JohnFlux> Alarm: echo 0 >  /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
[12:17] <Jucato> Alarm: with 2GB of RAM, your swap will never be used
[12:17] <JohnFlux> Jucato: I don't know
[12:17] <Jucato> almost
[12:17] <JohnFlux> Alarm: if it's annoying you, try decreasing your swappiness
[12:17] <JohnFlux> the "0" is from 0 to 100
[12:17] <Alarm> i will check that.
[12:17] <Jucato> Alarm: Linux adjusts the amount of Disk Cache it uses, but it still has to keep a certain amount in Disk Cache
[12:17] <JohnFlux> cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness  to see what it is currently
[12:18] <JohnFlux> mine is 60
[12:18] <Alarm> got it .
[12:18] <Jucato> lol
[12:18] <JohnFlux> try making it 30 or something first
[12:18] <JohnFlux> "If swappiness was set to zero (echo 0 >/proc/sys/vm/swappiness), the kernel would give up cache to anything that wanted ram"
[12:18] <Alarm> a last question, i did run vmware before, and as it seems the memory it used didnt was never unallocated again (thats why the high swap usage) . can that be freed manualy ?
[12:19] <Alarm> JohnFlux,  got it. i will read also the manual for more detailed info about that. just didnt know that i could do something like that
[12:19] <JohnFlux> there's a manual for that?
[12:20] <Alarm> i want to hope so...
[12:20] <Alarm> :)
[12:20] <Jucato> if you do find one, please give a link to JohnFlux :)
[12:20] <Jucato> I bet he'll want it
[12:20] <Alarm> hehe , ok. i will find then on the net something :) anyway , thanks a lot for ur answers
[12:21] <Alarm> helped somehow figuring out
[12:21] <demon_> hi)
[12:21] <JohnFlux> Alarm: http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000
[12:21] <JohnFlux> that explains both sides
[12:22] <JohnFlux> btw, I have 1GB of mem, and 256MB of swap is used ;-)
[12:22] <cobra__> i installed wine how can i acces it? <[12:23] <Jucato> cobra__: in the command line. "wine filename.exe"
[12:23] <cobra__> it's for the gnome but i was told that can be used on kde aswell
[12:23] <cobra__> no gui?
[12:23] <Alarm> JohnFlux,  got it
[12:23] <Jucato> none that I know of
[12:23] <cobra__> k let's try it hehe
[12:23] <Jucato> and Wine is for all desktops, not just GNOME
[12:24] <cobra__> going to test msn messenger allthough i know kopete has this too
[12:27] <cobra__> won't work :(
[12:28] <Jucato> cobra__: http://appdb.winehq.org
[12:31] <cobra__> hehe mostly games
[12:32] <Alarm> by default swappines on my system uses 100% ?
[12:34] <Alarm> oh its on 60
[12:37] <cobra__> cobra@linux:~/tmp/cpu-z-138$ wiwineserver: could not save registry branch to /home/cobra/.wine/system.reg : Permission denied
[12:37] <cobra__> how can i make it permission enabled?
[12:38] <underdog5004> cobra__, sudo
[12:38] <cobra__> i did
[12:38] <underdog5004> hm, I don't know
[12:38] <cobra__> i did sudo wine cpuz.exe
[12:39] <Alarm> alarm@rockpc:~/Desktop$ sudo echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
[12:39] <Alarm> bash: /proc/sys/vm/swappiness: Permission denied
[12:39] <Alarm> somehow i dont have access on that... how come
[12:39] <cobra__> maybe same as mine :p
[12:39] <Alarm> cobra__,  u dont need sudo for wine
[12:40] <Alarm> only if you dont have the right permitions on cpuz.exe
[12:40] <Alarm> after all i dont know how well will cpuz run under linux as linux uses lm sensors for the things u want to get informed about ur system
[12:40] <cobra__> but i still get an error on permission denied
[12:41] <Alarm> cobra__,  ls -l to check the permitions u got on that file as simple user
[12:43] <cobra__> wineserver: could not save registry branch to /home/cobra/.wine/user.reg : Permi
[12:43] <cobra__> ssion denied
[12:44] <cobra__> -rw-r--r-- 1 cobra cobra<PHONE_NUMBER>-11-22 20:27 cpuz.exe
[12:44] <cobra__> all files like that
[12:45] <Alarm> cobra__,  i think thats happening because u created for the first time .wine dir as sudo
[12:45] <Alarm> go to ur home directory cd ~/
[12:45] <Alarm> and rm -R .wine
[12:45] <Alarm> and run cpuz again just with "wine cpuz.exe"
[12:45] <Alarm> it will created the .wine directory for the specific user u are running right now
[12:46] <cobra__> rm: afdalen in voor schrijven beschermde map `.wine'?
[12:46] <cobra__> sorry dutch
[12:46] <Alarm> cobra__,  also ur cpuz file is just 'read' for user, not write not executable
[12:46] <Alarm> translate please ;)
[12:47] <underdog5004> chmod +x
[12:47] <Alarm> underdog5004,  thats what i adviced also, but what i can also guess is that he created the .wine dir with sudo, thats why he doesnt ahve any access on the reg file
[12:48] <underdog5004> chown username /path/of/wine/dir
[12:48] <cobra__> it's fixed
[12:48] <cobra__> the error is gone :)
[12:49] <underdog5004> yay
[12:49] <Alarm> cobra__,  info about ur cpu (not temp or fan rpm and so on) , you can get with cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:50] <Alarm> as i told u. cpuz wont work (i think so) under linux
[12:50] <cobra__> well it does
[12:50] <cobra__> :)
[12:50] <cobra__> it works
[12:50] <Alarm> okie then... good
[12:50] <cobra__> not 100% though
[12:50] <cobra__> memory won't show
[12:50] <cobra__> but cpu info does
[12:51] <Alarm> cobra__,  u dont need a whole winapp to see cpu info. u can simply cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:51] <XVampireX> Does anyone here use the KDE4 packages?
[12:53] <cobra__> nice alarm
[12:53] <cobra__> but i don't know any commands yet hehe
[12:54] <cobra__> ls etc i know
[12:57] <Russel> hiho
[12:57] <Russel> will there be amarok 1.4.5 packages for dapper?#
[12:57] <cobra__> i heard something about u could compile it yourself
[12:58] <cobra__> don't ask me how :)
[12:58] <Russel> don
[12:58] <Russel> t want to
[12:59] <sorush20> hi, how do I play movies from my 3g phone on my kubuntu computer please
[01:07] <kolla> with gdm as login manager, tab 2+ in konsole refuse to be transparent, with kdm as login manager it works fine - what gives?
[01:08] <kolla> happens with both dapper and edgy
[01:09] <delight> Is amarok 145 in the kubuntu edgy oven ? when is it time for lunch ?
[01:09] <underdog5004> delight, not yet
[01:09] <delight> underdog5004: ;) well, hope soon ... longing to take a bite ;-)
[01:10] <underdog5004> lol, I dont see why everyone like amarok so much...xmms for quick and dirty audio, kaffeine for everything else
[01:11] <delight> well i even use kaffeine for audio quick and dirty ... its more stable then kaffeine
[01:11] <delight> but ... u'll know when u get more then a playlist of songs ;)
[01:11] <kolla> kaffeine is more stable than kaffeine?
[01:11] <delight> slept 2 hours ... lol ... kaffeine more stable then xmms
[01:12] <Skrot-> So is amaroK :>
[01:12] <kolla> does xmms even exist? didnt it change name?
[01:12] <Skrot-> !xmms
[01:12] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[01:12] <kolla> or maybe I think of zinf
[01:13] <kolla> anyways.. anyone want to give gdm login and then konsole a go?
[01:13] <kolla> gdm as login manager, select KDE as session, log in.. fire up konsole and try to configure it to use transparent background
[01:14] <kolla> would be nice to know that it's not just here it happens
[01:20] <hyper_ch> hiho, what's the name of that other virtualization software (not vmware)?
[01:20] <Jucato> virtualbox? qemu (actually an emulator)? xen?
[01:21] <hyper_ch> I think it's virtualbox
[01:22] <underdog5004> or qemu
[01:22] <underdog5004> !qemu
[01:22] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[01:23] <kolla> noone wants to try it, huh?
[01:23] <kolla> typical :P
[01:28] <karmikaze> hey is there a way to get apt or adept to use a proxy
[01:31] <karmikaze> hrm
[01:35] <karmikaze> hello?
[01:36] <waylandbill> karmikaze: I think it should follow the HTTP_PROXY environment variable
[01:37] <waylandbill> karmikaze: or ftp_proxy if you do it that way
[01:40] <karmikaze> ok thanks waylandbill
[01:40] <karmikaze> that worked :)
[01:40] <hyper_ch> so, I'm testing now virtualbox :)
[01:41] <karmikaze> :)
[01:44] <me> for some days i get always a black screen after boot. but i can start the graphical interface with init 5. maybe ive made some shit with the system services. can anyone help me maybe?
[01:44] <Mena> is there cdoecs i can install to make amrok work for all media types instead of installingany another media player
[01:45] <Jucato> !codecs | Mena
[01:45] <ubotu> Mena: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:45] <karmikaze> what are you trying to play
[01:45] <Jucato> Mena: libxine-extracodecs for most media, w32codecs for Windows Media and Real Media (I think)
[01:45] <Mena> Karmkaze , mp3 rm ram etc..
[01:45] <Mena> jucato , okay
[01:45] <Jucato> libxine-extracodecs: MP3, AAC, AVI, MPEG
[01:47] <Mena> jucato , okay
[01:48] <karmikaze> do you still need libmpeg3 if you get libxine-extracodecs
[01:48] <scribz> anyone know how to change the console keymap ? i tried loadkeys but /usr/share/keymaps is empty, on edgy so install-keymaps don't work
[01:49] <Jucato> karmikaze: no
[01:49] <karmikaze> scribz: theres files you can edit
[01:49] <scribz> i just read to install console-common
[01:49] <me> can anyone say me where i can find the services or processes which will be start at the linux start?
[01:49] <karmikaze> usually in /etc/X11/xkb/ scribz
[01:50] <scribz> karmikaze: aren't those ones just for x though ?
[01:50] <karmikaze> scribz: /etc/X11/xkb/symbols
[01:50] <karmikaze> yeah scribz
[01:50] <Mena> jucato , i must disbale packborts to enable install the libs right becits told mei have but it is avialible for another source
[01:50] <scribz> i'm looking to change the console keymap
[01:50] <karmikaze> oh
[01:51] <Mena> jucato , so i geuus its the reason
[01:51] <karmikaze> i imagine theres a similar type of file somewhere for console
[01:51] <scribz> thing is when i change the keymap under gnome, my up arrow only works 40% of the time
[01:51] <Jucato> Mena: no. you don't need to do disable backports.
[01:51] <scribz> from us to uk
[01:51] <scribz> in us, up arrow works 100% of the time
[01:51] <Mena> jucato, okay
[01:51] <Jucato> Mena: you need to enable the multiverse repository
[01:51] <Jucato> !multiverse | Mena
[01:51] <ubotu> Mena: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:53] <Mena> jucato , i enabled them all befor
[01:53] <Jucato> Mena: can you pastebin your sources.list?
[01:53] <Jucato> !pastebin | Mena
[01:53] <ubotu> Mena: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:54] <scribz> yeah got it working, apt-get install console-common, then install-keymap uk, then loadkeys uk
[01:59] <Mena> jucato , sudo kate /etc/source.list i do this and i got empty source am i miss something
[02:00] <Jucato> Mena: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:00] <Mena> jucato , ok
[02:00] <cobra__> diffrence between sudo and kdesu?
[02:01] <Jucato> !kdesu | cobra__
[02:01] <ubotu> cobra__: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[02:02] <cobra__> thx for the teaching
[02:04] <devilsadvocate> i realize this will be a wierd question, but what is katapult?
[02:04] <scribz> kde app launcher
[02:05] <scribz> hit alt-space and it lets you run commands on the fly
[02:05] <Mena> jucato , i had made some changes i remebered see it and told me http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4406/
[02:05] <Jucato> !katapult | devilsadvocate
[02:05] <ubotu> devilsadvocate: katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[02:05] <scribz> good for opening terminals and browsers etc, has command completion on it, well handy, i use it all the time under gnome
[02:05] <devilsadvocate> how is this different from alt+f2?
[02:05] <Jucato> devilsadvocate: Alt+F2 requires you to know the executable name of the app
[02:06] <devilsadvocate> hmm
[02:06] <devilsadvocate> command completion as in tab completion?
[02:06] <scribz> how come the ubuntu channel is not open ?
[02:06] <Mena> jucato , i took the two lines after or updates from the Ubuntu security team. and put them under ## team.
[02:06] <devilsadvocate> nice
[02:06] <devilsadvocate> scribz, it is
[02:06] <scribz> says i'm banned, although i've never been there
[02:07] <Jucato> scribz: try asking in #ubuntu-ops
[02:07] <scribz> ah cheers
[02:07] <Mena> after 0r "updates from the Ubuntu security team."*
[02:07] <Jucato> Mena: lines 20 and 21, add "multiverse" beside "universe"
[02:08] <Mena> jucato , okay
[02:08] <Jucato> Mena: so that it, for example, line 20 will look like "deb http://eg.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe multiverse"
[02:10] <Mena> jucato , okay done thanks
[02:11] <jeroenvrplaptop> I have a RT2500 Ralink wifi usb stick -- I see in Adept that I can/must build the driver myself; is there also a binary version somewhere?
[02:22] <jeroenvrplaptop> does anyone have a n answer on my question!!!?
[02:23] <jeroenvrplaptop> Is there a binary module for the rt2500 usb wifi
[02:24] <Jucato> zorglu_: well what do you know.. I have window borders *now*
[02:27] <wheatie> jeroenvrplaptop, have you seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/RalinkRT2500Old ?
[02:27] <wheatie> or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT2500
[02:30] <kurtz> ciao a tutti
[02:31] <GalaZ> anyone know how to install libdvdcss2?
[02:31] <caris_mere> could someone help me with a webcam?
[02:32] <Hobbsee> !multimedia
[02:32] <ubotu> For multimedia codecs see: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html and for applications see this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[02:32] <Hobbsee> GalaZ: ^
[02:32] <GalaZ> thxu
[02:34] <caris_mere> any help with the webcam? I've been to the Ubuntu sites
[02:36] <MidMark> amarok 1.4.5 will be packaged for Edgy?
[02:37] <markc> I'm trying out knetworkmanager and not having any success, I can ifup eth1 and get a simple wireless connection but there are no settings or networks seemingly available via knetowrkmanager in the systray... any clues where to look to configure it ?
[02:38] <guglielf> LjL: query
[02:39] <jeroenvrplaptop> wheatie: thanks, I followed the instructions, but in networksettings the rausb0 card is listed, but disabled. If I enable it, it stays enabled for only 1 sec.
[02:41] <markc> no one using knetworkmanager ?
[02:41] <sleepy745> How do I set up Thunderbird to get my Yahoo e-mails?
[02:44] <JohnFlux> sleepy745: you say "Get! Get!"
[02:44] <Jucato> lol
[02:45] <JohnFlux> sleepy745: But just so I'm not a total ass, I'll google it and paste the first link: http://digg.com/software/Check_Hotmail_and_Yahoo_e-mail_in_Thunderbird_
[02:46] <sleepy745> thanks
[02:47] <markc> here's another one ... http://webmail.mozdev.org/
[02:47] <JohnFlux> you just pasted the second link from google
[02:47] <JohnFlux> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=thunderbird+yahoo&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[02:48] <markc> is there a kubuntu+ channel for feisty users ?
[02:49] <egeck> hello
[02:49] <Hobbsee> markc: #ubuntu+1
[02:49] <egeck> i need a good soundcard for less than 50 euro
[02:50] <markc> Hobbsee, thanks, probably not kde friendly but I'll try
[02:50] <caris_mere> can anybody help me with a webcam?
[02:50] <egeck> living in germany, got (k)ubuntu 6.10
[02:50] <Hobbsee> markc: not too bad.  any kde specific stuff, ask here, or try there, then here.
[02:50] <markc> well I tried here so I guess I'll try there now
[02:52] <Gretl> egeck - just make sure hardware is no on blacklist
[02:55] <Azzco> I need help editing fstab, I want to add swap at boot.
[02:57] <caris_mere> anybody using a webcam?
[02:57] <HymnToLife> !anyone | caris_mere
[02:57] <ubotu> caris_mere: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[02:57] <HymnToLife> Azzco, what exactly do you need help with ?
[02:58] <Azzco> HymnToLife: I'm a bit afraid of editing fstab as I don't understand it. but I want to add swap to it
[02:59] <Azzco> I only know the device name
[02:59] <LjL> Azzco: meaning the device name for the partition, hopefully
[02:59] <Azzco> yyes of course
[02:59] <LjL> UUID=4c6af297-e238-45bd-a092-0dd108258070 none            swap    sw              0       0
[02:59] <LjL> this is my swap line
[03:00] <HymnToLife> Azzco, then spot the line for the existing swap and att the same thing
[03:00] <LjL> you can either use the UUID or the partition name
[03:00] <LjL> !blkid
[03:00] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[03:00] <HymnToLife> but with the new device name
[03:00] <caris_mere> I've got a Logitech Webcam Chat, and ubuntu says it is supported, but when I try camorama, it says it's not connected
[03:01] <h3sp4wn>  /dev/disk/by-uuid is also ok
[03:02] <LjL> h3sp4wn: well but then just use the UUID= syntax, no? it boils down to the same thing
[03:02] <Azzco> thx I'll try it
[03:03] <h3sp4wn> LjL: The label syntax is probably better
[03:03] <h3sp4wn> LABEL=
[03:04] <LjL> h3sp4wn: can you label a swap partition though? i thought labels belonged to the filesystem
[03:05] <h3sp4wn> or you can just name your disk as you want with a udev rule using the serial number of the disk - call it disk0
[03:05] <h3sp4wn> Never tried labeling a swap partition
[03:06] <Azzco> Hmm it had the wrong UUID....
[03:06] <Azzco> changed it into the one I got from blkid
[03:08] <dominik> I have a problem in Kubuntu I can't set 1024*768/85Hz permanently, every time I restart I have 75Hz instead of 85Hz
[03:08] <dominik> does someone know know what to do?
[03:09] <nuxil> is ther a tool that allows me to convert from ntfs to ext2|3 ?
[03:09] <h3sp4wn> dominik: edit xorg.conf change 1024x768 to 1024x768_85
[03:10] <Azzco> nuxil: I think you'll have to recreate that partition...
[03:12] <dominik> h3sp4wn: there's no 1024x768 I have something like that: ModeLine       "1024x768@85" 94.5 1024 1072 1168 1376 768 769 772 808 +hsync +vsync
[03:14] <h3sp4wn> dominik: change the @ to _
[03:15] <h3sp4wn> dominik: Are you using nvidia or not ?
[03:15] <dominik> yes I'm using nvidia
[03:15] <h3sp4wn> You don't need modelines at all
[03:15] <h3sp4wn> Modes           "1280x1024_60" "1024x768_60" "800x600_60" "640x480_60" (that is what I use - I have used mode lines before but you don't need to)
[03:16] <h3sp4wn> remember if you are using 9xxx you need Option          "DynamicTwinView" "False" otherwise xrandr etc won't display the real modes
[03:17] <dominik> You mean in the xorg?
[03:18] <h3sp4wn> maybe you should read some stuff in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx
[03:20] <fernando> Hi, I have install the nvidia drivers for kubuntu 6.10 and they work, but after I restart my computer I get these messege:
[03:20] <fernando> Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has the version 1.0-7184, but
[03:20] <fernando> this X module has the version 1.0-9746.  Please make sure that the kernel
[03:20] <fernando> module and all NVIDIA driver components have the same version.
[03:20] <fernando> in the install process, the compile recompile the drivers for 1.0.7184...
[03:21] <fernando> but the configuration was write with 1.0.9746
[03:21] <fernando> where is the file to correct this problem??
[03:22] <h3sp4wn> You need the legacy drivers probably if its trying to load 7184
[03:22] <h3sp4wn> remove nvidia-glx and install nvidia-glx-legacy
[03:23] <fernando> I use the command "sh mydrivres.run" to install.. how can I removed?
[03:23] <fernando> and how I install this legacy drivers?
[03:24] <fernando> anyway.. the drivers work.. with 3D acceleration.. if I install the drivers.. and I use "startx" everything is just fine..
[03:24] <fernando> the problem is only if I restart the computer
[03:24] <h3sp4wn> don't use nvidia's installer - it will only cause you load of problems
[03:25] <fernando> ok.. so..how I remove it?
[03:25] <h3sp4wn> use the uninstall option of the .run file
[03:26] <h3sp4wn> sh whatever.run --help
[03:26] <h3sp4wn> I think its sh whatever.run --uninstall
[03:27] <distro-testerzzz> hello jucato and and good rest to me later
[03:27] <h3sp4wn> Using those .run's is fighting against the package manager
[03:27] <xsacha> fight fight fight!!!
[03:28] <raeez> !aptfix
[03:28] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:28] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: not if you uninstall nvidia-glx (and nvidia-kernel-common)
[03:28] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: and if you get a mesa update ?
[03:29] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: will overwrite libGL.so.1
[03:29] <Jucato> hm?
[03:29] <Jucato> well, I'll have to see. so far, no updates yet :)
[03:29] <h3sp4wn> nvidia-glx (even if you need to build from debian for a newer version) diverts it so its clean you could do it manually I suppose
[03:31] <dominik> ok I'll do it thanks
[03:32] <sasoyna> hi guys i return here because i can't resolve
[03:33] <sasoyna> From 2 days now i enter in my (k)ubuntu box "manually"
[03:34] <sasoyna> i mean trough failsafe-->startkde
[03:36] <sasoyna> how can i return to the normal "automatic" mode?
[03:38] <yipe> my kaffeine is broken, it's installed, but when I try to run it it doesn't start up
[03:38] <yipe> and when I try it from the command line, it just gives me another prompt, as if it were "done" with that
[03:38] <yipe> no errors, nothing :(
[03:41] <GalaZ> have anyone call of duty 2?
[03:41] <GalaZ> yipe: try to restart pc
[03:42] <yipe> I've done that several times since this error started occuring
[03:43] <Hobbsee> hey yipe
[03:44] <yipe> hi Hobbsee
[03:44] <Hobbsee> yipe: tried rm'ing the relevant config files?
[03:44] <GalaZ> have anyone call of duty 2?
[03:44] <yipe> Hobbsee, which ones are those?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> GalaZ: try in #winehq
[03:44] <yipe> I did try apt-get remove --purge kaffeine and then reinstalled
[03:44] <Hobbsee> yipe: .kde/share/apps/kaffeine and .kde/share/config/kaffeine*
[03:44] <yipe> same thing right?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> maybe
[03:45] <Hobbsee> depends
[03:46] <yipe> okay, I removed those files
[03:46] <yipe> no change :(
[03:47] <Jucato> purge only removes system installed files. configs/data in /home won't be removed
[03:47] <LjL> right
[03:47] <yipe> oh okay
[03:47] <LjL> but aside from that, it should do a pretty thorough job
[03:47] <yipe> so now what?
[03:48] <Aattila> Hi! I want to install sun-java5 but I can't click ok in the licence agreement. How can I continue the installation?
[03:48] <LjL> aside from purging and removing the files in .kde/ that the hobbsee mentioneth? no idea. that should work in theory, if it doesn't it most likely means that kaffeine just *is* broken
[03:48] <LjL> there were a couple of updates today and the past few days
[03:49] <yipe> LjL, this problem started a week or two ago
[03:49] <LjL> yipe: perhaps run kaffeine under strace. if you manage to make sense of the mess, perhaps you can spot some file that it's unable to load
[03:49] <yipe> I have no idea how to do that
[03:50] <LjL> strace -f -e trace=file kaffeine
[03:50] <LjL> will show all the files that kaffeine attempts to open or check
[03:50] <LjL> at least it should
[03:52] <intelikey> who is good at finding xorg problems ?
[03:52] <intelikey> i've got a broken X
[03:52] <LjL> xorg *is* the problem :P
[03:52] <LjL> virtual terminals are the solution :P
[03:52] <intelikey> yeah  but that don't help :)
[03:52] <LjL> well, i'm not good at unbreaking axes... but expose your problem :P
[03:53] <yipe> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4415/
[03:53] <yipe> there, there's a million files not found
[03:53] <intelikey> ok xorg won't run for anyone but root.   i owned all homes and checked perms on every thing i could think of..
[03:54] <LjL> uhm yipe, yeah, at a quick glance, it seems to me that quite a few of those files *should* exist
[03:54] <yipe> yeah....
[03:54] <LjL> yipe: check if /usr/lib/libexpat.so.1 exists
[03:55] <LjL> intelikey: meaning if you use "startx", if KDM?
[03:55] <LjL> second if=or
[03:55] <intelikey> i'm not getting any error messages it just aborts at the first x cursor   for gdm and startx for everyone but root.   however X will run for users.
[03:55] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: Have you nosuid on  /usr ?
[03:55] <Hobbsee> intelikey: you logging into kde, or gnome?
[03:55] <LjL> intelikey: meaning that if a user types "X", it starts? that's interesting, what happens after that should be entirely in userland...
[03:56] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: (I remember you did at one point)
[03:56] <intelikey> h3sp4wn good call but no this is not my box.  it's default
[03:56] <intelikey> Hobbsee both.  installed ubuntu and kubuntu on this one.
[03:57] <yipe> no libexpat.so.1 but there is a libex.so.2
[03:57] <intelikey> dev/hdb1 on / type ext3 (rw)
[03:58] <intelikey> see it even has partitions ^
[03:59] <LjL> yipe: are you sure kaffeine isn't really missing some dependencies? apt-get upgrade works as advertized?
[03:59] <yipe> yes it does
[04:00] <yipe> oh jeez, I just found libexpat.s0.1
[04:00] <intelikey> LjL "what happens after that should be entirely in userland..." <<< yeah.  thus the first thing i did was own all homes.   what ever the issue is it's permissions related somewhere  but i haven't really done anything to this install.  was just trying to help setup a printer and the next day no X
[04:03] <intelikey> i found it.  well fixed it without finding it...  something in /usr/share    i issued chmod 755 /usr/share/*   and it's working now.
[04:03] <LjL> intelikey: maybe do a "find /usr -perm /=s" to find suid binaries
[04:03] <LjL> hm
[04:03] <intelikey> LjL too late.
[04:03] <intelikey> :)
[04:03] <LjL> drwxr-xr-x    2 root root
[04:03] <LjL> every file in /usr/share is like this for me
[04:04] <LjL> well, every directory, since they're all directories
[04:04] <intelikey> now on to the printer problem...
[04:04] <intelikey> LjL yep now these are.
[04:05] <LjL> yipe: basically after every library it tries to load, it complains about missing /etc/ld.so.nohwcap - but i don't have that file either, and there's no such complaints for me
[04:05] <intelikey> what would cause all usb devices to disapear ?
[04:05] <intelikey> except lsusb still sees them ?
[04:07] <spawn57> removing the driver??
[04:07] <LjL> yipe... i really think i don't have a clue
[04:07] <yipe> okay lol
[04:07] <GalaZ> !paste
[04:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:09] <DiCrEn> hola
[04:09] <yipe> LjL, wanna hear something REALLY bizarre? I created a blank file called /etc/ld.so.nohwcap, and strace still says it can't find it
[04:10] <LjL> yipe: try stracing other KDE programs if they do the same...
[04:10] <LjL> programs that work, i mean
[04:11] <LjL> yipe: ah but wait, i *do* also get that error... lots of times... it's just that the strace output is so long that i totally missed it :\
[04:11] <LjL> i thought i was looking at the same part of it as the one you pasted, but i wasn't
[04:12] <LjL> yipe: what about kaffeine --verbose
[04:12] <yipe> john@Michelle:~$ kaffeine --verbose
[04:12] <yipe> john@Michelle:~$
[04:13] <LjL> hm, not too surprising, since the first messages that i get from it come after the window has already opened
[04:13] <LjL> yipe: wait you don't happen to have an instance already running (or pretending to)? ps aux | grep kaff
[04:14] <yipe> john      4678  0.0  1.0  32408 10764 ?        S    Feb04   0:00 kaffeine -session 10b2d5cfcd000116916235600000045080152_1170600913_400288
[04:14] <yipe> john     31716  0.0  0.0   2796   752 pts/2    R+   09:17   0:00 grep kaff
[04:14] <yipe> looks like I do
[04:15] <LjL> yipe: kill it and try "kaffeine --verbose" again
[04:15] <yipe> :|
[04:15] <yipe> it seems to bve working!
[04:15] <LjL> yipe: well but anyway you said this is going on for a week... i suppose you've restarted X once or twice during this time? =)
[04:15] <yipe> yes I have
[04:16] <LjL> yipe: how do you start it normally? menu? click on a video file?
[04:17] <yipe> mostly click on a video file
[04:17] <LjL> if you start it by clicking on a video file, perhaps it just doesn't like the file and stays stuck - running but with no window
[04:17] <yipe> maybe, but now everything seems to be running normally
[04:17] <LjL> weird nuff
[04:23] <endo602> hello there
[04:24] <juan_> hi
[04:24] <endo602> is there anyways that i can make a shortcut key that pastes my password?
[04:24] <endo602> its annoying to keep typing my password
[04:24] <endo602> im the only one that uses this computer
[04:25] <juan_> I dont know im a newbie
[04:25] <HymnToLife> endo602, which password ?
[04:25] <michele> endo602: use kwallet
[04:25] <michele> for passwords
[04:25] <endo602> my root password
[04:26] <michele> you could select your password with mouse
[04:26] <HymnToLife> endo602, use sudo ans nopasswd in your /etc/sudoers
[04:26] <michele> and then center click any time you need to type
[04:26] <HymnToLife> and*
[04:26] <michele> HymnToLife: i did not consider the unsafe way :)
[04:27] <HymnToLife> yeah, it's a bad idea indeed
[04:31] <linux_> hi all, I'm busy with a academy project, how can I install office on linux ?
[04:31] <malik> !office
[04:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about office - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:32] <malik> !opn office
[04:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opn office - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:32] <malik> !open office
[04:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about open office - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:32] <malik> !openoffice
[04:32] <ubotu> a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org".  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[04:38] <djwilcox> my itunes daap stream shows up in rhythm box but doesnt connect
[04:38] <djwilcox> i have zero config turned on in system prefs
[04:38] <malik> Guyz any idea when kde4 coming out?.....................any suggestions?
[04:41] <malik> !kde 4
[04:41] <ubotu> For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[04:42] <intelikey> *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x0816e838 *** Entity: line 2486: parser error : Extra content at the end of the document </printer> ^ printer HP-PSC_750 not found! kdeprint: WARNING: PPD syntax error, PPD parse failed.
[05:01] <olimpico> Can someone please tell me a repository to download "konverter"?
[05:01] <deathnote> !beryl
[05:02] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:04] <ICQnumber> your repo server is offline
 is it easy to set up an ati graphic driver in ubuntu or kubuntu?
[05:05] <ICQnumber> your repo server is offlineyour repo server is offline
 is it easy to set up an ati graphic driver in ubuntu or kubuntu?
[05:05] <ICQnumber> !ati
[05:05] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:07] <theshadow> !wireless
[05:07] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:09] <olimpico> Can someone please tell me a repository to download "konverter"?
[05:09] <ByronFortescue> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4425/ what's up with that?
[05:09] <deathnote> hi.. what's alglx and glx ?
[05:09] <deathnote> !glx
[05:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about glx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:09] <deathnote> !alglx
[05:09] <ByronFortescue> deathnote, nice 3d stuff
[05:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alglx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:10] <deathnote> does it got to do with ati or nvidia?
[05:10] <ByronFortescue> eeh, yeah, it works on only one of em
[05:10] <ByronFortescue> can't remember which
[05:10] <ByronFortescue> prolly the nvidia
[05:10] <deathnote> serious..hmm
[05:10] <deathnote> i was about to try to install beryl
[05:10] <olimpico> Does someone here uses "Konverter"????
[05:11] <ByronFortescue> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIGLX
[05:12] <deathnote> how to make my firefox as default browser? it keeps openning konqueror
[05:12] <ByronFortescue> deinstall konqueror ^_^
[05:13] <deathnote> serious??
[05:13] <ByronFortescue> j/k
[05:13] <deathnote> haha
[05:13] <ByronFortescue> doesn't firefox ask to be default browser?
[05:13] <deathnote> any environment parameters i can edit?
[05:13] <bubu1uk> not really, u can setup it in settings
[05:13] <bubu1uk> firefox is default for ubuntu, not for KDE
[05:13] <deathnote> !kde
[05:13] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[05:14] <deathnote> !kdm
[05:14] <ubotu> kdm: X display manager for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 611 kB, installed size 1480 kB
[05:14] <deathnote> k.. confused by ubuntu..kde..kdm
[05:14] <GalaZ> raga qualcuno di voi ke ha installato una skeda video ati?
[05:14] <GalaZ> ops sorry....
[05:15] <deathnote> where in settings can i set default for firefox?
[05:15] <bubu1uk> wait
[05:16] <ByronFortescue> deathnote, you have an easy package to set up kde on ubuntu
[05:16] <ByronFortescue> !kubuntu-desktop
[05:16] <ubotu> k/ed/x/ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage. It depends upon other packages and brings them in; you can safely remove it, but it is recommended that you re-install it when upgrading.
[05:16] <bubu1uk> dethnote: ur' on kubuntu? KDE?
[05:16] <deathnote> i think my dapper kubuntu already have kde.. (or x windows if u call it?)
[05:16] <deathnote> kubuntu dapper
[05:17] <bubu1uk> if it's kubuntu, then u have KDE
[05:17] <deathnote> ubuntu is gnome right? hehe yeah
[05:17] <deathnote> so.. xwindows is just kde right?
[05:17] <deathnote> or xserver
[05:17] <erhanr> gij-4.1 eats much memory . how about you ?
[05:18] <bubu1uk> deathnote: go to system settings> default applications and change default web browser
[05:18] <bubu1uk> xwindows = Xorg server
[05:18] <theshadow> !ndiswrapper
[05:18] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:18] <theshadow> :S
[05:18] <ByronFortescue> deathnote: no KDE is a window manager.. it manages your windows.. it works on top of xwindows
[05:18] <theshadow> That help is out of date
[05:18] <deathnote> there's no default applications under system settings.. hmm
[05:19] <bubu1uk> standard applications?
[05:19] <bubu1uk> cant remember how exactly it's called in english, use other language now
[05:19] <bubu1uk> at personal folder
[05:19] <deathnote> haha..
[05:19] <olimpico> Come on guys, I can't believe nobody has ever used konverter?????
[05:19] <deathnote> got it
[05:19] <bubu1uk> !konverter
[05:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konverter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:20] <deathnote> its Kde Component
[05:20] <bubu1uk> what for?
[05:20] <deathnote> thx
[05:20] <bubu1uk> what is konverter for?
[05:20] <slyfox> Does anyone know what can I use to do automatic backups of folders ?
[05:20] <olimpico> I'm trying to switch from Gentoo to Kubuntu, and that's the only application I'm missing, can someone please tell me if there is a repository which has this app?
[05:20] <olimpico> bubu1uk: To convert videos
[05:20] <BluesKaj> !soundkonvertor
[05:20] <ByronFortescue> try the Debian debs?
[05:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about soundkonvertor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:21] <ByronFortescue> slyfox: maybe submersion?
[05:21] <ByronFortescue> !submersion
[05:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about submersion - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:21] <ByronFortescue> hmm
[05:21] <olimpico> !konverter
[05:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konverter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:21] <BluesKaj> olimpico, have you looked at tovid or devede ?
[05:21] <bubu1uk> olimpico: soundkonverter?
[05:21] <bubu1uk> !soundkonverter
[05:21] <ubotu> soundkonverter: KDE frontend to various audio converters. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1047 kB, installed size 1980 kB
[05:21] <BluesKaj> !tovid
[05:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tovid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:21] <BluesKaj> !devede
[05:21] <ubotu> devede: Video DVD creator. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 243 kB, installed size 664 kB
[05:21] <olimpico> BluesKaj: I'm really new to kubuntu, I have just started to use it can you tell me what is that?
[05:21] <ByronFortescue> http://www.kraus.tk/projects/konverter/packages/
[05:22] <ByronFortescue> konverter packages
[05:22] <bubu1uk> !keep
[05:22] <ubotu> keep: backup system for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 0.3.0-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 189 kB, installed size 836 kB
[05:22] <slyfox> Keep does not work - http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5758/keeprg3.jpg
[05:22] <bubu1uk> slyfox: !keep
[05:22] <bubu1uk> damn, not that way. lol
[05:22] <deathnote> ok i'm installing beryl.. at the part where it says linux-dri-modules-2.6.15-27-386 IS not up, and needs to be fixed.
[05:23] <deathnote> my kernel is 2.6.15-27-386.. how do i install that package then? apt-get install isn't up with for this
[05:23] <BluesKaj> tovid is a dvd dvd maker , author and convertor all rolled into one ...there is a terminal interface and and a graphics user interface
[05:23] <slyfox> Is konserve any good ?
[05:23] <olimpico> BluesKaj: I don't want a DVD converter, I want to be able to convert video and audio codecs and formats without having to use the bloody mencoder in the console. Actually converter uses mencoder but with graphics ans nice windows.
[05:23] <ByronFortescue> slyfox: write your own script ^_^
[05:24] <ByronFortescue> !konserve
[05:24] <ubotu> konserve: KDE system tray application that performs periodic backups. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10.3-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 501 kB, installed size 1476 kB
[05:25] <ByronFortescue> try it out i would say
[05:25] <slyfox> ByronFortescue: I am just a noob
[05:25] <bubu1uk> slyfox: i found only soundkonverter in my repos.
[05:25] <slyfox> ByronFortescue: konserve is kind of old, last updated back in 2004
[05:25] <ByronFortescue> slyfox: don't worry me too, ah, hmm
[05:25] <bubu1uk> is that what u want?
[05:26] <BluesKaj> olimpico, that's what tovid does , but mencoder is used as a tool in this case AFAIK : http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
[05:26] <slyfox> bubu1uk: dont; think so. sound is not what I need. I need a simple gui backup utility
[05:26] <ByronFortescue> slyfox: and keep is also not worth it?
[05:26] <bubu1uk> slyfox: ah, sorry, got confused with too many conversations. :p
[05:27] <bubu1uk> slyfox: why keep doesnt work?
[05:27] <Ace2016> Hi all
[05:27] <ByronFortescue> Hi ace2016
[05:27] <slyfox> ByronFortescue: keep is grea,t But I get this when backing up to a network folder which is mounter with full write premission: http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5758/keeprg3.jpg
[05:27] <slyfox> bubu1uk: http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5758/keeprg3.jpg
[05:28] <ByronFortescue> hmm, maybe you can build it from source?
[05:28] <bubu1uk> or just try to reinstall.
[05:28] <ByronFortescue> yeah, together with pyton maybe
[05:28] <slyfox> bubu1uk: keep works fine when backing up to local fodlers
[05:28] <slyfox> ByronFortescue: I am only a noob
[05:28] <bubu1uk> ah, i c
[05:29] <ByronFortescue> weird problem
[05:29] <slyfox> yeah
[05:29] <bubu1uk> true
[05:29] <ByronFortescue> something to do with how the network share is formatted?
[05:30] <ByronFortescue> !rdiff-backup
[05:30] <ubotu> rdiff-backup: remote incremental backup. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.5-1 (edgy), package size 168 kB, installed size 664 kB
[05:30] <caris_mere> When trying my webcam I get this error can't open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
[05:30] <caris_mere> any ideas?
[05:30] <ByronFortescue> caris: does it work in other programs?
[05:31] <caris_mere> no
[05:31] <olimpico> BluesKaj: The same as konverter
[05:31] <MidMark> amarok 1.4.5 will reach edgy?
[05:32] <olimpico> BluesKaj: And tovid is a gnome app? which repository??
[05:32] <ByronFortescue> caris: have you installed a driver for your webcam?
[05:32] <caris_mere> ByronFortescue: I think so, I have been all over trying things
[05:33] <caris_mere> ByronFortescue: I have a Logitech QuickCam Chat, and I have installed spca5xx*
[05:33] <ByronFortescue> ok
[05:35] <ByronFortescue> caris_mere: have you built the driver from source? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=303330&page=2
[05:36] <yaccin> is there already a repository for amarok 1.4.5?
[05:36] <alex__> HI all, I have installed windows on my C partition but now grub is gone. How can I reinstall it ?
[05:36] <virnik> lol
[05:36] <ByronFortescue> !amarok
[05:36] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.4 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[05:36] <bubu1uk> amarok latest? maybe
[05:36] <virnik> just tryed cedega, latest
[05:36] <virnik> and World of WarCraft
[05:36] <virnik> piece of cake
[05:36] <caris_mere> ByronFortescue: I did this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-75284.html
[05:36] <virnik> and its running so fast!
[05:36] <virnik> nice
[05:36] <alex__> Also, I want to dual boot so I need to add an entry to the menu.lst to boot windows.  Any URL For examples ?
[05:36] <virnik> I do not need windaz anymore
[05:37] <virnik> I have used them only for WoW, and now... :-)
[05:37] <bubu1uk> !grub
[05:37] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:37] <bubu1uk> !windows
[05:37] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[05:37] <bubu1uk> lol. not this one
[05:37] <virnik> lol
[05:37] <virnik> windaz sucks
[05:37] <virnik> hard
[05:37] <virnik> everyone know that
[05:37] <bubu1uk> !dualboot
[05:37] <virnik> but still, some games like wow, better runs in windaz
[05:37] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[05:38] <virnik> so
[05:38] <virnik> no more of this :-)
[05:38] <bubu1uk> alex_: have a look at ubuntuguide.org. might be there something
[05:38] <ByronFortescue> caris_mere: that looks like something that should work :) i dunno how to help you out, maybe you can post your q to the forums or someone else maybe has an idea to help you out here..
[05:39] <bubu1uk> cant remember where i seen how to repair grub
[05:39] <ByronFortescue> !vistta
[05:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vistta - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:39] <ByronFortescue> !vista
[05:39] <ubotu> vista is the new operating system by the evil overlords from Redmond. For more information, see http://www.badvista.org
[05:39] <ByronFortescue> ^_^
[05:39] <bubu1uk> lol.
[05:40] <caris_mere> ByronFortescue: Thanks, I guess I will try restarting and praying and then maybe posting
[05:40] <acemo> what boot options should i use with the kubuntu live cd when i want only the text base?
[05:41] <|Toad> i need help with kubuntu
[05:41] <h3sp4wn> Vista has a nice colorscheme nice and dark - too much white annoys me
[05:42] <ByronFortescue> Toad: what's the problem?
[05:42] <|Toad> i'm trying to install my printer, but it cant find the drivers
[05:42] <|Toad> Unable to load the requested driver:
[05:42] <|Toad> Unable to create the Foomatic driver [Epson-ActionLaser_1100,omni] . Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required permissions to perform that operation.
[05:43] <ByronFortescue> do you run the thing with root permissions?
[05:43] <Lam_> h3sp4wn: too much dark can get old after a while though. i like a mixture of white and gray
[05:43] <|Toad> i also can play videos or mp3s, and i cant install firefox, but the printer is top priority
[05:43] <|Toad> that is with root permissions in system settings
[05:43] <Dr_willis> !root
[05:43] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:43] <Dr_willis> clarify the problem?
[05:44] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. i just realized that the adapt-notify thing tells me there are updates.. but ive never noticed a way to have it 'auto update'
[05:44] <acemo> is there a way to use Option "MonitorLayout" "LVDS,AUTO" on booting the live cd?
[05:44] <Dr_willis> acemo,  what video card ya using? nvidia and 2 monitors?
[05:44] <BluesKaj> will nero .nrg files burn as iso in K3B ?
[05:44] <ByronFortescue> toad: can you maybe try to use a generic printer driver?
[05:45] <acemo> its a ATI x700
[05:45] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  ive seen some that can and some that dont.
[05:45] <Lam_> Dr_willis: i don't think it bodes well with freedom of choice if updates are automatic :/
[05:45] <BluesKaj> well, i'm about to find out , Dr_willis :)
[05:45] <killermach> I have a laptop and an extra monitor installed. how do I setup xinerama?
[05:45] <Dr_willis> Lam_,  but look at it this way... my wife is on.. she sees updates.. i may go weeks without ever gettting on the machine.. so NO updates till i manually go to each machine.
[05:45] <Dr_willis> Lam_,  for freedom - there should be that option.
[05:45] <BluesKaj> it's burning , but i dunno if the video will turn out
[05:45] <Dr_willis> since i always install all the updates anyway
[05:46] <Lam_> Dr_willis: yeah, i do too. i want an option like that as well
[05:46] <costy> sal allll
[05:46] <|Toad> any printer driver i choose says that
[05:46] <Dr_willis> Lam_,  i imagine theres a way to do it.. just not obvious. :)
[05:46] <costy> sunt roman
[05:46] <ByronFortescue> !foomatic-db-engine
[05:46] <Gretl> i dont know your wife but i strongly guess she is able to click at that sign updates
[05:46] <ubotu> foomatic-db-engine: linuxprinting.org printer support - programs. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.2-20060925-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 261 kB, installed size 832 kB
[05:46] <acemo> Dr_willis: u know how to do such an option to the live cd? as my friend has too little knowledge about linux to install from konsole
[05:47] <Dr_willis> Gretl,  but she needs the 'admin user' password to actually install them.
[05:47] <Dr_willis> Gretl,  which she dont have. :)
[05:47] <|Toad> so, how do i make sure i have foomatic installed?
[05:47] <Dr_willis> acemo,   not that i am aware of.. other then going to the console.  id say search the forums for boot/kernel/cheatcodes for the live cd.
[05:48] <ByronFortescue> Toad: open up a terminal or synaptic
[05:48] <Gretl> then you need to wirte a short script with root privileges for apt- get update
[05:48] <|Toad> okay
[05:48] <ByronFortescue> toad: in the terminal, type sudo apt-get install foomatic-db-engine and it will say if it's already installed
[05:49] <|Toad> Reading package lists... Done
[05:49] <|Toad> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:49] <|Toad> foomatic-db-engine is already the newest version.
[05:49] <|Toad> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[05:50] <Dr_willis> there was no reall nead to paste that. :)
[05:50] <|Toad> true, sorry
[05:50] <Dr_willis> heh heh.
[05:50] <ByronFortescue> well,  hmmm..
[05:51] <h3sp4wn> !confmiss
[05:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about confmiss - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:51] <h3sp4wn> If its not working maybe you need to do confmiss
[05:51] <h3sp4wn> apt-get install --reinstall -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confmiss -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confnew foomatic-db-engine
[05:52] <|Toad> resintall is not possible, it cannot be downlaoded
[05:56] <Dr_willis> 0_o
[05:58] <|Toad> i'[m running kubuntu 6.06.1 i386 dvd install
[05:58] <|Toad> the sad thing is that it seemed to have ran better off the livecd compared to hte actual install
[05:59] <|Toad> i cant get it to see any printer drivers
[06:00] <Dr_willis> using the kde printer control panel thing you mean?
[06:00] <|Toad> i go to system setting,s click printers, put in the password, ckick add, lpt1, pick a driver from the list (every driver does it), and it says that it cant find the driver or i dont have permissions
[06:00] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. so you did go in to admin mode by putting the password in at the bottom...
[06:01] <|Toad> yes
[06:01] <Dr_willis> you got an actual parrallel port printer? heh :)
[06:01] <|Toad> yup
[06:01] <|Toad> an actual epcon actionlaser 1500
[06:01] <|Toad> built in 93
[06:01] <|Toad> the actionlaser 1100 drivers worked in debian
[06:02] <Dr_willis> ive not used 6.06 in ages.
[06:02] <|Toad> i was told to use 6.06 cuz 6.1 was stoll buggy or something
[06:02] <Dr_willis> buggy? never noticed..
[06:02] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:02] <slyfox> I am noob, can someone help? Is there anyway to make this command auto run? "rdiff-backup source destination"  like maybe with that crone thing ?
[06:02] <Dr_willis> you may want to fire up the pacakge manager and search for 'foomatic' and install all the foomatic packages
[06:02] <devilsadvocate> |Toad, that was a while ag, i presume :)
[06:03] <|Toad> i was first told to use debian, i got it and installed it, asked for help and they were like, if your such a noob, why did you pick debian
[06:03] <|Toad> no, i was told that 2 days ago
[06:03] <|Toad> in ##linux
[06:04] <devilsadvocate> |Toad, 6.10 is fine, and so is 6.06
[06:05] <Dr_willis> slyfox,  you could set up a cron job yes.. that would proberly be the best way to get it to run once a day, or every hr, or whatever
[06:05] <bubu1uk> slyfox: there is KDE frontend for cron.
[06:05] <bubu1uk> !kron
[06:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kron - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:05] <bubu1uk> ops
[06:05] <bubu1uk> !Kcron
[06:05] <ubotu> kcron: the KDE crontab editor. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 187 kB, installed size 544 kB
[06:06] <Dr_willis> i do recall the cups stuff not installing ALL the varooud printer drivers by default..   i guess some of the older ones are in other packages..  i needed some for my old printers
[06:06] <slyfox> Dr_willis: but how do I do it? "rdiff-backup source destination" that is just a line I have to manually type into Konsole? How do I make it a one click job or an executabel or a program or whatever it msut be ?
[06:06] <Dr_willis> slyfox,  now would be a good time to read a cron tutorial or 2.
[06:07] <Dr_willis> since id have to go read some to remeber... :)
[06:07] <jhutchins_wk> slyfox: Did I give you that dos/windows/linux HOWTO?
[06:07] <nuxil> hi all
[06:07] <slyfox> jhutchins_wk: no
[06:08] <jhutchins_wk> slyfox: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html
[06:08] <nuxil> how can i play wmv files.. i have installed the xine extra codes. but still it wount play thouse files
[06:08] <Dr_willis> wowsers kcron can be a little bit intimmidating..
[06:08] <Slackwise> nuxil: I would recommend installing "VLC Media Player" simply because it plays everything :P
[06:08] <angasule> !wmv
[06:08] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:08] <jhutchins_wk> slyfox: What you want to do is to test your command from the console.  If it works as expected, you can either make a shortcut on your desktop to run it manually, or you can schedule it with chron.
[06:09] <Dr_willis> kcron -> system crontab --> Tasks -> make new task :)
[06:09] <angasule> Slackwise: it's horrible, though :( the interface, I mean
[06:09] <Slackwise> angasule: Yea :(
[06:09] <Slackwise> The default interface is terrible. True.
[06:09] <bubu1uk> nuxil: follow guide in ubuntuguide.org > multimedia codecs
[06:09] <h3sp4wn> mplayer plays everything I have thrown at it
[06:10] <nuxil> ok thanks
[06:10] <slyfox> jhutchins_wk: So I would have to create one of those bash scripts ?
[06:10] <jhutchins_wk> slyfox: No, you can put a command directly in a shortcut or in a crontab.
[06:10] <jhutchins_wk> slyfox: If it's a multi-line command, several commands to do in order, then you create a script and schedule that.
[06:10] <Dr_willis> of course you may want to modify the command/script so any output gets logged somewhere.
[06:11] <jhutchins_wk> Dr_willis: Output from a cron job should be emailed to the owner.
[06:11] <Dr_willis> 'should' :) and he may or may not want that..
[06:11] <slyfox> My head is spinning
[06:12] <Dr_willis> time to learn some basics and get reading i guess slyfox
[06:12] <h3sp4wn> fcron is quite nice
[06:12] <h3sp4wn> !fcron
[06:12] <ubotu> fcron: cron-like scheduler with extended capabilities. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.0.0-2 (edgy), package size 175 kB, installed size 668 kB
[06:12] <Dr_willis> its all rather straight forward. :)
[06:12] <slyfox> What would I do with this line? "rdiff-backup source destination" ?
[06:13] <jhutchins_wk> What did I just suggest?
[06:13] <Dr_willis> slyfox,  http://www.unixgeeks.org/security/newbie/unix/cron-1.html
[06:13] <jhutchins_wk> Try it from the console.
[06:13] <jhutchins_wk> If it works, make a shortcut to run it manually or schedule it.
[06:13] <slyfox> jhutchins_wk: it works fine from console and does the job
[06:13] <jhutchins_wk> slyfox: Excellent.  What do you want to do with it?
[06:13] <slyfox> jhutchins_wk: but hwo do I make that shortcut ?
[06:14] <Dr_willis> edit the crontab file by hand.. or use that kcron tool.
[06:14] <jhutchins_wk> Right click on the desktop and see if you can stumble your way through.
[06:14] <slyfox> jhutchins_wk: I want this commadn to auto run evey 3 days
[06:14] <jhutchins_wk> slyfox: In that case, you'll want to schedule it using cron.
[06:14] <bubu1uk> slyfox: u been told to use kcron few times here
[06:14] <jhutchins_wk> Dr_willis: I think slyfox may think that to run in a gui there has to be a clickable icon.  Not necessary in this case though.
[06:14] <DaSkreech> two questions :)
[06:15] <DaSkreech> Has anyone installed the amarokFS script?
[06:15] <nuxil> bleh.. typical.. only for 32 bit system
[06:15] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. not sure how ya tell it every 3 days....
[06:15] <jhutchins_wk> slyfox: You will want to read the manpage for cron.  You won't understand most of it, but those words will lurk in your brain.  Eventually, as you learn other stuff, they'll come together.
[06:15] <slyfox> With all the info you gave me, I am a bit confused, I have this command running fine in the konsole. just need to get it auto run evey 3 days. Right click - make a shortcut for what? A text file ?
[06:15] <Dr_willis> http://www.clockwatchers.com/cron_general.html
[06:16] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis, had a successful iso burn of a nero nrg file ...this one worked! :)
[06:16] <Dr_willis> slyfox,  get AWAY from the 'makle a short cut' thing....
[06:16] <jhutchins_wk> slyfox: No, you don't need a shortcut.  You need to read some of the stuff we've given you about cron.
[06:16] <ICQnumber> !ru
[06:16] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[06:16] <jhutchins_wk> After you've read the manpage, either experiment on your own, or come ask us for specific help.
[06:16] <Dr_willis> slyfox,  in a nutshell.. you edit the /etc/crontab file.. putting in a proper entry to run a speficic command with the secific settings to tell cron WHEN to run it.
[06:16] <slyfox> Blueehh. why can't simple Gui applciaitosn work
[06:17] <Dr_willis> http://www.clockwatchers.com/cron_general.html       Looks nice.
[06:17] <jhutchins_wk> DaSkreech: What's it supposed to do?
[06:17] <Dr_willis> slyfox,  KCRON is a gui to the cron system..
[06:17] <jhutchins_wk> slyfox: With great power comes great responsibility.
[06:17] <DaSkreech> It turns amarok into a Front Row like interface
[06:17] <slyfox> Ok, I will read
[06:17] <bubu1uk> slyfox: system >> kcron
[06:17] <jhutchins_wk> slyfox: If you want a simple all-graphical system where you don't have to learn about what's going on, you need a Mac.
[06:18] <Dr_willis> jhutchins_wk,  you dont want to get me started on some of the Mac Disasters ive had. :)
[06:18] <jhutchins_wk> DaSkreech: Unfortunately, I have no clue what "Front Row" might be.
[06:18] <nescius> hello, anything for partisioning new disks?
[06:18] <nescius> *discs
[06:18] <jhutchins_wk> Dr_willis: Still, if that's what he wants, he wants a Mac, not Linux.
[06:18] <bubu1uk> qparted
[06:18] <jhutchins_wk> Linus is not for everyone.
[06:18] <Dr_willis> nescius,  im old skool and  use parted/gpartd/qtpared then edit the fstab.
[06:18] <jhutchins_wk> Er, nor is Linux.
[06:18] <nescius> bubu1uk, thanks
[06:18] <Dr_willis> Thinking is not for Everyone. :)
[06:19] <slyfox> bubu1uk: KCron asks for an executable file? No idea how to make line "rdiff-backup foo bar" exectuable
[06:19] <Dr_willis> rdiff-backup IS an executable file
[06:19] <jhutchins_wk> slyfox: Did you read the man page, or any of the other stuff we sent you?
[06:19] <bubu1uk> thanx Dr_willis
[06:19] <Dr_willis> However you may want to give the full path to the command. and to the files it will be reading/using.
[06:19] <slyfox> jhutchins_wk: Ok, I will read.
[06:20] <DaSkreech> jhutchins_wk: Have you ever seen a 10 ft interface?
[06:20] <jhutchins_wk> DaSkreech: Given that that's a  pretty vague question, yes.
[06:20] <DaSkreech> second is why would a dig <url> not give me an answer section
[06:20] <Dr_willis> I saw a Gameboy tht was like 10 ft tall once....
[06:21] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:21] <jhutchins_wk> Hmmm.  It would appear that "Front Row" is some sort of Apple thingie.
[06:21] <Dr_willis> jhutchins_wk,  :) wonder who they stole that idea from...
[06:22] <Dr_willis> Oh wait did i say that outloud....
[06:22] <rahmetli> is there any command or script to install the same packages in the nubuntu for kubuntu?
[06:22] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:22] <Dr_willis> nubuntu? - if they got a repository add it to the apt.sources and you should be able to use all their packages
[06:22] <Dr_willis> !info nubuntu
[06:22] <ubotu> Package nubuntu does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas
[06:22] <jhutchins_wk> Amazing that google can find something on "Front Page music".  That's a pretty generic concept, but it does grab it.
[06:23] <Dr_willis> we need a wiki site just for all the ubuntu variants
[06:23] <abhinay> iam getting the fallowing error (pastebin), when i open any KDE application http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4439/
[06:23] <rahmetli> bu the way i am using dapper,does it matter to install those software?
[06:23] <jhutchins_wk> DaSkreech: As for the dig question, either because you passed it a URL instead of a host name, or because it doesn' t have any information on that host.
[06:23] <DaSkreech> jhutchins_wk: Entertainment systems like Windows MPC or Apple or MythTV have what is called a 10 ft interface
[06:24] <DaSkreech>  you can navigate and use it from 10 ft away
[06:24] <DaSkreech> jhutchins_wk: It's not a url it should be a host name
[06:24] <jhutchins_wk> abhinay: what did you most recently change?
[06:24] <DaSkreech>  I can get an answer section on teh other machines
[06:25] <abhinay> jhutchins_wk: nothing
[06:25] <abhinay> jhutchins_wk: i just installed kubuntu-desktop recently
[06:25] <jhutchins_wk> DaSkreech: Then your DNS tree doesn't have any info on that host.
[06:25] <abhinay> jhutchins_wk: iam using KDE now
[06:25] <jhutchins_wk> abhinay: did it ever work correctly?
[06:26] <abhinay> jhutchins_wk: the application opens & works fine
[06:26] <DaSkreech> jhutchins_wk: They all have the same dns server
[06:26] <abhinay> jhutchins_wk: but, iam getting those messages
[06:26] <jhutchins_wk> DaSkreech: So like an IR or Bluetooth or other wireless control.
[06:26] <Dr_willis> rahmetli,  from what i am reading about nubuntu - its a minimal desktop ubuntu variant - with lots of security packages installed by default..
[06:26] <Dr_willis> rahmetli,  so installing those packages shouldent hurt a ubuntu install.
[06:26] <Dr_willis> their official support place ------->   irc.kaffeinenet.com #nubuntu
[06:26] <jhutchins_wk> abhinay: It could be that something's wrong, it could be that it's checking to initialize stuff you don't have.
[06:27] <rahmetli> ok Dr_willis thanks.
[06:27] <jhutchins_wk> abhinay: You could try restarting.
[06:27] <abhinay> jhutchins_wk: samething happens
[06:27] <larsivi> do anyone know if it is possible with multiple (two) displays on the i915 laptop chipset?
[06:27] <jhutchins_wk> DaSkreech: Are these public or private?
[06:27] <jhutchins_wk> abhinay: You mean happens after restarting?  Where do these errors appear?
[06:28] <abhinay> jhutchins_wk: konsole
[06:28] <abhinay> jhutchins_wk: i also tried restarting
[06:28] <jhutchins_wk> abhinay: Are you launching the apps from konsole?
[06:28] <abhinay> jhutchins_wk: sometimes i launch applications from konsole
[06:30] <dominik> Does someone know how to make Beryl start on startup on KDE?
[06:30] <Dr_willis> the beryl wiki/docs i saw the other day covered that topic
[06:30] <jhutchins_wk> abhinay: Ok, here's a guess:  For some reason, a lot of Xorg setups have configuration for a drawing input tablet made by Wacom.  It's even required by the 2.6 kernel on Gentoo.  Although nobody has these things, the setup is woven through all the default xorg and application configurations for some reason.  This means that all your apps try to initialize it when you start them, but because it's not there, they get an error.
[06:30] <jhutchins_wk>   They may try more than once, possibly for more than one model of the stupid thing.
[06:30] <jhutchins_wk> abhinay: So I wouldn't worry about it.
[06:30] <Dr_willis> they made a custome kde_beryl.desktop entry for KDM - that launched it..  that way you could NOT start it if youy wanted to.
[06:31] <the_hammer> http://xkcd.com/c178.html
[06:31] <Dr_willis> I always edit out the wacom entrys in the xorg.conf  :)
[06:31] <dominik> Dr_willis: I did this wiki but something is wrong
[06:31] <jhutchins_wk> Dr_willis: Or if it's broken, which it almost always is.
[06:31] <Dr_willis> jhutchins_wk,  which wiki? i tryed beryl the other day.. and bereyl was broken.
[06:32] <Dr_willis> so i will wait another 5 mo befor trying it again
[06:32] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:32] <the_hammer> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.20-rc6-amd64 |  AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ 1000.000 MHz | Bogomips: 2011.55 | Mem: 299/500M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 227.83G Free: 213.57G | Procs: 96 | Uptime: 3 hrs 47 mins 39 secs | Load: 0.08 0.13 0.09  | Vpenis: 58.1 cm | Vboobies: 42F | Screen: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [ATI Sapphire X550 Silent]  @ 1024x768 (32 bpp) | eth0: In: 56.66M Out: 2.66M
[06:32] <Dr_willis> I did like some of the features of that Mandriva Mettis Live cd with its fancy desktop.
[06:32] <Dr_willis> well bbl.
[06:32] <jhutchins_wk> Dr_willis: Yeah, I'd say they're ~5,6 months from a beta release.
[06:33] <DaSkreech> jhutchins_wk: Bluetooth? Sorry?
[06:33] <Dr_willis> jhutchins_wk,  yep.. thats why i aint even worrying about it at this time. :)
[06:33] <Dr_willis> byees..
[06:33] <jhutchins_wk> DaSkreech: Wireless.
[06:33] <jhutchins_wk> LIRC
[06:33] <DaSkreech> For DNs?
[06:33] <jhutchins_wk> That sort of thing.
[06:33] <jhutchins_wk> No, for remote control of a media server.
[06:36] <DaSkreech> jhutchins_wk: Oh right :) sorting out the convos now :)
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Right but AmarokFS is a script that gives amarok a 10 ft interface so you can have a party and control the flow from across the room
[06:37] <jhutchins_wk> DaSkreech: What do you use for a remote?
[06:40] <DaSkreech> jhutchins_wk: I can't get it to work first of all :)
[06:41] <waylandbill> DaSkreech: never heard of it. Is it a theme or something?
[06:41] <bubu1uk> if i got less than 128 MB memory. should i use alternate CD for installation?
[06:41] <DaSkreech> but My major issue is I can't see the dag.wieers.com site
[06:41] <DaSkreech> waylandbill: Eh?
[06:41] <DaSkreech> waylandbill: What's a theme?
[06:41] <DaSkreech> bubu1uk: can't kill :)
[06:42] <waylandbill> AmarokFS
[06:42] <bubu1uk> well, normal ubuntu/kubuntu cd's dont work. will stop at boot process. lol
[06:42] <DaSkreech> waylandbill: 10 ft interface for amarok
[06:43] <slyfox> jhutchins_wk: I read some stuff but still am confused, I went to KCrone and chose variables and chose SHELL and there for the value I entered: "rdiff-backup source destination" and I cannot run it ?
[06:43] <waylandbill> DaSkreech: yeah. you said that. I was looking for more details.
[06:43] <slyfox> jhutchins_wk: I also tried to mkae the bash with thie line inside ""rdiff-backup source destination"" and it does not launch
[06:43] <bubu1uk> slyfox: choose tasks not variables.
[06:44] <slyfox> bubu1uk: But I cant figure out how to make "rdiff-backup source destination" an executable
[06:44] <slyfox> bubu1uk: .txt file and bash do now work
[06:44] <slyfox> do not work
[06:44] <bubu1uk> you type it same as command in console
[06:45] <DaSkreech> waylandbill: Its in the latest AWN
[06:45] <jhutchins_wk> DaSkreech: dag's site loads here just fine, check your spelling (it was correct above).
[06:45] <slyfox> bubu1uk: where the program is in there I type in "rdiff-backup source destination" ?
[06:45] <jhutchins_wk> DaSkreech: IP is <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:45] <DaSkreech> jhutchins_wk: It's correct Just from this one machine I can't resolve some server names
[06:46] <jhutchins_wk> DaSkreech: Remote control interface for Amarok.  You need a remote control device.
[06:46] <jhutchins_wk> DaSkreech: Something wrong in your DNS setup.
[06:46] <DaSkreech> The standard ones like google.com yahoo.com cnn.com all resolve
[06:46] <waylandbill> DaSkreech: ok. I'll take a look there then. thx
[06:46] <binks_work> ok peeps big prob with my web server apache2 wont load i gat an error
[06:46] <binks_work> (98) Address already in use
[06:46] <jhutchins_wk> DaSkreech: AWN?
[06:47] <binks_work> thats 98 btw
[06:47] <DaSkreech> jhutchins_wk: I figure but the machines seem to have the same setup
[06:47] <DaSkreech> jhutchins_wk: Amarok Weekly Newsletter
[06:47] <jhutchins_wk> binks_work: You have defined the same listen-to port or address in more than one place.
[06:47] <binks_work> but it worked untill today
[06:48] <jhutchins_wk> DaSkreech: So I'm still intrigued, what do you plan to use for your remote device?
[06:48] <rahmetli> to install programs using make and make install what do i have to install?
[06:48] <DaSkreech> jhutchins_wk: IR blaster?
[06:48] <binks_work> how can i fix it the server only runs lamps with x on top
[06:48] <jhutchins_wk> binks_work: EIther you changed a configuration file, or you installed an update that moved/duplicated a configuration line.
[06:48] <DaSkreech> !b-e | rahmetli
[06:48] <ubotu> rahmetli: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:49] <binks_work> can i tell wats connected already
[06:49] <jhutchins_wk> rahmetli: First, make absolutely sure they're not available in deb packages or rpm's.
[06:49] <jhutchins_wk> rahmetli: Next, un-tar the package and read the INSTALL file.
[06:49] <rahmetli> i know, but it cant find make command.
[06:50] <rahmetli> sudo: make: command not found
[06:50] <jhutchins_wk> DaSkreech: What I know of the IR blaster is that it's an OUTPUT control device to control things like CD players, tuners, Cable boxes, etc.
[06:50] <DaSkreech> jhutchins_wk: Still needs a remote
[06:50] <jhutchins_wk> rahmetli: Want to bet that that tip page tells you how to get it?
[06:51] <rodrigo> hola
[06:51] <rodrigo> soy nuevo aqu...
[06:51] <rodrigo> pueden verme..?
[06:51] <rodrigo> 1.. 2... 3... probando..
[06:51] <DaSkreech> !es
[06:51] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:51] <rodrigo> ok
[06:52] <rodrigo> thank you
[06:52] <DaSkreech> gracias
[06:52] <jhutchins_wk> rahmetli: The answer to your question is one line from the bottom when I open that page.
[06:53] <rahmetli> i am checking jhutchins_wk ty.
[06:54] <jhutchins_wk> DaSkreech: Did you know about #amarok?
[06:55] <jhutchins_wk> DaSkreech: There may also be other remote control solutions, take a look at the MythTV project - I know they do remotes.
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Well I was just more interested in the Full screen quality
[06:55] <crube> Is there a command to reinstall a program with apt, instead of first removing and then installing again
[06:56] <DaSkreech> jhutchins_wk:  And Yes I knew about #amarok :)
[06:56] <jhutchins_wk> crube: Most of the package managers I know of don't do that.
[06:57] <jhutchins_wk> crube: There should be some form of -force that works, but often there isn't.
[06:57] <crube> jhutchins yeah, I just need to reinstall kaffeine, and I came to think if there's a command I could later have use for
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Alias I guess
[06:58] <jhutchins_wk> crube: Should be fine to just uninstall then install.
[06:59] <crube> jhutchins_wk:hehe. It's okay :P
[06:59] <DaSkreech> crube: It's pretty simple to make it into one step if you want
[06:59] <DaSkreech> short script in /bin :)
[07:00] <waylandbill> just removing and then installing again only removes the files and unpacks the deb from the apt cache
[07:00] <crube> I used the command "sudo apt-get remove kaffeine" and now it's going to remove kubuntu-desktop with it, Is that alright?
[07:01] <waylandbill> no. that aint right.
[07:02] <waylandbill> there's an option for apt-get. apt-get install --reinstall. That basically unpacks the deb again.
[07:02] <crube> That's what I was looking for thanks
[07:02] <jhutchins_wk> DaSkreech: just &&
[07:02] <jhutchins_wk> waylandbill: Thanks!
[07:02] <DaSkreech> jhutchins_wk: Yeah but I'm talking about the really really lazy
[07:03] <DaSkreech> read that as programmer
[07:03] <waylandbill> mmhmm
[07:03] <daedra> http://xs312.xs.to/xs312/07062/distropoo.png
[07:03] <daedra> :(
[07:04] <crube> Ok, my kaffeine still isn't working. I guess it's becouse of the codecs I installed or something.
[07:04] <waylandbill> daedra: it's mario's fault. :-)
[07:05] <daedra> waylandbill: lol, but seriously, distrowatch won't load for me in Konq
[07:05] <daedra> It loads in Firefox, Lynx etc, but not Konqueror!?!
[07:06] <daedra> I found an alternative http://distrowatch.serve-you.net , but its annoying to be denied access to http://distrowatch.com :(
[07:07] <daedra> It must be server side right? Not my fault?
[07:07] <waylandbill> do you have it doing some browser identification for distrowatch?
[07:07] <daedra> waylandbill: no
[07:08] <DaSkreech> daedra: I only go to distrowatch in konqui
[07:08] <waylandbill> that's about my only guess other than it's not going to the place you think it is.
[07:08] <DaSkreech> I was just reading the news
[07:08] <daedra> :(
[07:08] <daedra> nothing I do seems to solve it
[07:08] <daedra> it works fine in my other browsers but I prefer Konqi
[07:09] <waylandbill> you could try putting in the ip address directly to make sure konq is actually going to the right place.
[07:10] <daedra> waylandbill: no luck
[07:10] <daedra> pinging <IP_ADDRESS> works fine
[07:10] <jhutchins_wk> crube: I've never found kaffein easy to get working.  I use mplayer and amarok, and that pretty much covers everything.  Lately I've been using xine because as far as I know it's the only player that works with DVD menus, and I've been messing with those.
[07:10] <jhutchins_wk> daedra: http://<IP_ADDRESS> - are you behind a firewall or on a corporate or school network maybe?
[07:11] <daedra> jhutchins_wk: thats distrowatch
[07:11] <daedra> jhutchins_wk: i'm just behind my router
[07:11] <jhutchins_wk> daedra: I thought you couldn't reach it?
[07:11] <waylandbill> daedra: you could try using browser identfication for it and making it report that it is firefox or something
[07:11] <daedra> not through Konqueror
[07:12] <daedra> I can reach it through everything else
[07:12] <daedra> waylandbill: tried that - no use
[07:12] <waylandbill> daedra: I'm fresh out of ideas then. :-)
[07:12] <jhutchins_wk> Distrowatch comes up fine in konq here.
[07:12] <daedra> ive just accessed it through elinks, firefox, ping, traceroute....
[07:12] <jhutchins_wk> 3.5.5 on edgy.
[07:12] <daedra> all fine
[07:12] <DaSkreech> jhutchins_wk: So why would two machines with the same DNS server give different answers to a dig?
[07:13] <jhutchins_wk> DaSkreech: Cached info?
[07:13] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[07:13] <DaSkreech> cache of Null?
[07:13] <jhutchins_wk> Local caching server?
[07:13] <daedra> jhutchins_wk: thats what I _thought_
[07:13] <DaSkreech> Doesn't seem reasonable
[07:13] <jhutchins_wk> DaSkreech: Yeah, they'll do that.
[07:13] <DaSkreech>  I think there may be a squid
[07:13] <daedra> but thats their problem right?
[07:14] <jhutchins_wk> daedra: No, the problem is with something in your setup.
[07:14] <DaSkreech> Well this one is deeper in the network
[07:14] <jhutchins_wk> daedra: Why do you think you're "denied access" - how about you tell us what actually happens?
[07:14] <DaSkreech> It's a production server though so no rebooting
[07:14] <daedra> ok
[07:14] <daedra> I type http://distowatch.com
[07:15] <jhutchins_wk> DaSkreech: You could check for DNS processes and restart them or flush the routing table.
[07:15] <daedra> browser loads "Forbidden"
[07:15] <jhutchins_wk> daedra: Be specific - in the address bar in konq?
[07:15] <daedra> my screenshot was up there
[07:15] <daedra> yes in the address bar
[07:15] <daedra> I could execute it from console too
[07:16] <jhutchins_wk> Waiting for your screenshot to load...
[07:16] <daedra> http://xs312.xs.to/xs312/07062/distropoo.png
[07:16] <jhutchins_wk> Interesting.
[07:16] <jhutchins_wk> That does appear to be a configuration on their end.
[07:17] <daedra> It seems that way, however, Firefox copes just fine
[07:17] <jhutchins_wk> It's not like they're going to block bt.
[07:17] <daedra> they're not (firefox can do it)
[07:17] <jhutchins_wk> Some difference in how your konq configuration is addressing that page... try distrowatch.com/index.html
[07:17] <daedra> wierd
[07:18] <waylandbill> try http://distrowatch.com/index.php
[07:18] <jhutchins_wk> Or that.
[07:18] <daedra> neither function
[07:18] <jhutchins_wk> daedra: By which you mean "same error".
[07:19] <daedra> yes
[07:19] <jhutchins_wk> try http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070205#feature
[07:19] <daedra> coincidentally, distowatch.com/poo gives same error lol
[07:19] <daedra> same error
[07:19] <waylandbill> you can't tell me that it's getting forbidden on /  when you put index.php
[07:19] <daedra> no it gets forbidden on index.php
[07:20] <jhutchins_wk> daedra: Any other users set up on this box?
[07:20] <waylandbill> oh.. ok.. i thought same error meant truly the same. :-D
[07:20] <daedra> jhutchins_wk: nope
[07:20] <daedra> waylandbill: sorry about that
[07:20] <jhutchins_wk> Set up a new one, change logins, see what happens.
[07:20] <daedra> :(
[07:20] <jhutchins_wk> (easier than messing with your .kde files.)
[07:20] <daedra> ok
[07:21] <jhutchins_wk> daedra: The theory is that something in your knoqueror configuration is off.
[07:21] <jhutchins_wk> (I ALLWAYS type k-n-o-q - if I dont' catch it, that's what goes out.)
[07:21] <caris_mere> If I have installed a driver for a webcam and it is the wrong one, do I need to deinstall or do something before I try a new one?
[07:22] <daedra> ok brb
[07:25] <daedra> kstartupconfig.
[07:25] <daedra> oops
[07:25] <leiar> what do i install to get amarok to play mp3?
[07:26] <DaSkreech> !mp3 | leiar
[07:26] <ubotu> leiar: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:26] <daedra> well I created a new user, and on login received an error box reading "Could not start kstartupconfig.
[07:26] <harmental> hey guys ...i've noticed that my swap went down (AGAIN) at startup.....i tried swapon -a and i got:
[07:26] <harmental> swapon: /dev/hda6: Operation not permitted
[07:26] <sb9> whats the ntpd for ubuntu ?
[07:26] <nagyv> harmental: try it with sudo
[07:27] <grout_> how do you install themes?
[07:27] <harmental> nagyv: now i get swapon: /dev/hda6: Invalid argument
[07:28] <harmental> this is my fstab: /dev/hda6 none swap sw 0 0
[07:28] <jhutchins_wk> harmental: fsck /dev/hda6
[07:28] <nagyv> harmental: I don't now the swapon command, try man swapon to figure out what should you use
[07:28] <nagyv> now->know
[07:28] <daedra> any ideas?
[07:28] <jhutchins_wk> That's indicating a bad swap partition.
[07:29] <jhutchins_wk> daedra: Sorry, haven't been there with kubuntu yet, shall I play along and see?
[07:29] <harmental> jhutchins_wk: but until last week it worked just fine
[07:29] <jhutchins_wk> I'll try to be good and stick to the GUI, no CLI shortcuts...
[07:29] <vliegje20> evening i have a question about bluetooth
[07:29] <jhutchins_wk> harmental: That's why hardware has a MTBF.  It's the "F" part.
[07:29] <eidolon> hi folks - i'm working on an article describing Ubuntu Gnome vs Kubuntu KDE  setups... and my experience with KDE was that when starting a new user, the first thing the user had on their desktop was a Home folder and a Trashcan icon and maybe a few other icons.  When i first logged in with this user on my Kubuntu install, I got a blank desktop with just the toolbar on the bottom.  is that normal?
[07:30] <daedra> well jhutchins_wk I created a user with useradd then passwd [user]
[07:30] <daedra> it doesn't seem to like my new user
[07:30] <jhutchins_wk> eidolon: Yeah, I think that's what I got.
[07:30] <jhutchins_wk> daedra: Ah. Did it create the user's home directory?
[07:30] <daedra> no
[07:31] <daedra> (I am teh noob)
[07:31] <vliegje20> i installed with wine BlueSoleil. It starts and works but it doesnt recognize my bluetooth usb stick how can i make contact with it?
[07:31] <harmental> jhutchins_wk: ok.....so failures are fine with me as long as i can repair them...
[07:31] <harmental> any ideas?
[07:32] <jhutchins_wk> daedra: Ok, adduser is _supposed_ to create the homedir by default, but some distros mess with that.
[07:32] <DaSkreech> eidolon: As far as I know it's blank
[07:32] <daedra> jhutchins_wk: well this is just kubuntu 6.06.1
[07:32] <eidolon> huh.  okay.  that's yucky :)
[07:33] <daedra> should I create it manually, and if so, what di I do?
[07:33] <jhutchins_wk> daedra: Er, useradd needs -d to create the home dir, just userdel, useradd -d
[07:33] <daedra> ok thanks
[07:33] <jhutchins_wk> daedra: adduser defaults to creating it.
[07:33] <jhutchins_wk> harmental: fsck /dev/hda6
[07:34] <daedra> "invalid home directory `test'"
[07:34] <jhutchins_wk> harmental: You may end up having to remove and recreate the swap partition with fdisk, or use qparted.
[07:34] <jhutchins_wk> daedra: useradd -d <user>?
[07:34] <harmental> jhutchins_wk: i get
[07:34] <harmental> fsck: fsck.swap: not found
[07:34] <harmental> fsck: Error 2 while executing fsck.swap for /dev/hda6
[07:35] <daedra> jhutchins_wk: yep I did that
[07:35] <jhutchins_wk> heh.
[07:35] <jhutchins_wk> daedra: Hmm.
[07:35] <harmental> i'm trying mkswap now....
[07:35] <Aattila> does anybody know how to install sun-java5-bin?
[07:35] <jhutchins_wk> daedra: I get the same thing.  I suspect something's not set up right.
[07:36] <nagyv> Aattila: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin
[07:36] <jhutchins_wk> daedra: do "adduser test"
[07:36] <daedra> yeah that works, but as I said before, no home dir is created
[07:37] <daedra> oh! it worked
[07:37] <daedra> haha
[07:37] <daedra> ok back to the task at hand
[07:37] <jhutchins_wk> It's even verbose.
[07:37] <daedra> Konqi
[07:38] <DaSkreech> !java | Aattila
[07:38] <ubotu> Aattila: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[07:38] <harmental> jhutchins_wk: it worked....first i used mkswap , then swapon -a
[07:38] <harmental> i hope i wont have to do that et every startup.....
[07:39] <jhutchins_wk> harmental: Shouldn't.
[07:39] <harmental> jhutchins_wk: thx anyway....
[07:39] <jhutchins_wk> harmental: You might keep an eye on the log files to make sure it's not failing.
[07:39] <harmental> log files?
[07:39] <jhutchins_wk> Don't know why fsck.swap isn't available.
[07:39] <harmental> where are thos?
[07:40] <jhutchins_wk> use the demesg command, and or /var/log/messages
[07:40] <jhutchins_wk> (Kubuntu may use some different files in /var/log, but the important stuff should be there.)
[07:40] <GalaZ> !paste
[07:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:40] <daedra_> well the new user loaded correctly, and Konqueror loads distrowatch.com correctly
[07:40] <daedra_> so I suppose the problem is somewhere within Konqis configuration
[07:41] <|kosmo|> !mount
[07:41] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[07:41] <jhutchins_wk> daedra_: Inescabable.
[07:41] <|kosmo|> !diskmounter
[07:41] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[07:41] <|kosmo|> !fstab
[07:41] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[07:41] <daedra_> damn
[07:42] <jhutchins_wk> daedra_: So you can try to fix it with the settings menu, or just clean it out of .kde (if you can figure what files are involved).
[07:42] <daedra_> well I'm not up for kde config
[07:42] <daedra_> settings won't be detailed enough
[07:42] <daedra_> I'll just settle for Firefox
[07:43] <daedra_> I've left the settings of Konqi pretty intact, not sure how this happened
[07:44] <|kosmo|> !mount
[07:44] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[07:44] <|kosmo|> !diskmounter
[07:44] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[07:45] <daedra_> grr
[07:45] <daedra_> jhutchins_wk: thanks
[07:47] <GillesM> I have a problem since an update : I can log into kdm but just after I don't have any keyboard in KDE any idea ?
[07:48] <sb9> does anyone know, whether openntpd requires an additional ntpdate to sync with a timeserver ?
[07:49] <goodthing> hey guys, beryl not working kwin, is that a faillure in my side or is that more or less normal?
[07:49] <jhutchins_wk> daedra: It's possible something got corruped by a completely different process.
[07:49] <sb9> i.e. to match not just sync the time
[07:50] <jhutchins_wk> sb9: If you're off by quite a bit, it's a good idea to do an ntpdate first, then run the daemon.
[07:51] <jhutchins_wk> goodthing: Normal.
[07:58] <goodthing> thanks jhutchins_wk, now i can chillout :)
[07:58] <goodthing> (and know i did something right for the first time this day)
[08:00] <crazy_penguin> Hi all!
[08:05] <Bsims> Any one know how to get video on an ipod I can transfer the video but it doesn't show up as video on the idpod
[08:06] <Bsims> I got amarok to transfer video but it doesn't show up on the menus anywhere
[08:07] <caris_mere> Need a little help with a Logitech QuickCam Chat
[08:09] <Lam_> Bsims, what's the extension on the file?
[08:10] <Bsims> Lam_: .mp4
[08:10] <Bsims> let me guess I need m4v
[08:10] <Lam_> Bsims: actually, mp4 is the correct format, but i'm not sure if the Ipod Video will support anything other than an h.264 encoded mp4 file
[08:11] <Lam_> Bsims: i haven't a clue then. i myself don't own the ipod video yet :(
[08:11] <shane__> Hi all.  Hey, I'm new at this whole linux thing, and I'm trying to download the linux version of real player, but I can't figure out how to install it. any help?
[08:11] <Bsims> Lam_: I don't get the meta data on the file
[08:12] <erhanr> caris_mere: did you read  http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/  ?
[08:12] <caris_mere> erhanr: nope, might be the only thing I haven't read lol
[08:13] <Lam_> shane__: $ sudo apt-get install realplay
[08:14] <caris_mere> erhanr: My webcam isn't listed in that group
[08:14] <shane__> do I have to specify the file location?
[08:14] <Lam_> shane__: apt will handle all installation parameters since it was designed for the ease of installation
[08:14] <shane__> I'll give it a shot, thanks
[08:15] <julien> helllo, i want to go to ubuntu.fr chat
[08:15] <julien> how can i do?
[08:15] <erhanr> sorry then
[08:15] <HymnToLife> julien, /join #ubuntu-fr
[08:15] <ubuntu> olas
[08:15] <caris_mere> erhanr: Do you know why I would say that it can't find my webcam?
[08:16] <erhanr> hmm .
[08:16] <julien> thank you Hymntolife
[08:16] <lA> olasssssssssss
[08:17] <erhanr> caris_mere: what is your webcam's whole name ? and what writes when you type lsusb when you plug webcam ?
[08:19] <ubuntu> plz how can i use dd command to backup my disks?
[08:19] <caris_mere> erhanr: it is a Logitech QuickCam Chat, and lsusb states 046d:092e Logitech, Inc.
[08:19] <ubuntu> ./
[08:20] <shane__> do I just type that into a terminal window or what?
[08:20] <ubuntu> i know but
[08:21] <ubuntu> lastly i was doin it it made it just copied my root folder to home the whole partition
[08:21] <ubuntu> and was large 14 gb
[08:21] <shane__> or is there somewhere in apt that I'm supposed to open that I'm missing?
[08:21] <ubuntu> i want only it as iso and be as big as space used on partiotion of 14 gb
[08:21] <ubuntu> can anyone help me plx?
[08:23] <goodthing> ubuntu: i would use "cp -va ./folder-to-backup /path/to/destination/."
[08:23] <Rumo_> dd -if /dev/hda5 of=backup
[08:23] <Rumo_> something like that
[08:24] <ubuntu> backup
[08:24] <ubuntu> bah
[08:24] <Rumo_> what do you want ubuntu?
[08:25] <goodthing> ubuntu: not that my command does not follow symlinks, IIRC
[08:25] <goodthing> *note
[08:25] <Rumo_> backup is just a name you can use xyz.abc
[08:25] <ubuntu> forgot to write szmbol so bot can answer me i am not used to using english kezboard
[08:25] <Rumo_> instead
[08:25] <ubuntu> i know
[08:25] <caris_mere> erhanr:  Do you have anthing?  Otherwise I am calling it a night.  Thanks for you help
[08:26] <erhanr> well  better is read it page
[08:26] <hyper_ch> anyone uses virtualbox in here?
[08:26] <ubuntu> Rumo_:  ubuntu webpage says this dd -if /dev/hda1 > partitionimage.dd
[08:27] <ubuntu> but aint of missing there?
[08:27] <Rumo_> no everything should be fine
[08:27] <ubuntu> but it will backup hda1 right?
[08:28] <Rumo_> i am using -of instead of >, but should work, too
[08:28] <Rumo_> yes
[08:28] <Rumo_> to the file specified by -of
[08:28] <Rumo_> you can copy it back with dd -if partionimage -of /dev/hda1
[08:28] <Rumo_> simple as that
[08:28] <ubuntu> so if i have my root disk as hdb3
[08:28] <ubuntu> i will write
[08:29] <ubuntu> dd -if /dev/hdb3 -of /dev/hdb4/home/etc
[08:29] <ubuntu> hdb4 is home and hdb3 root
[08:29] <ubuntu> well this will copy
[08:30] <Rumo_> hmm, don't know if it works like that
[08:30] <ubuntu> so dd -if /dev/hdb3 -of backup.iso
[08:30] <ubuntu> this is correct?
[08:30] <Rumo_> would use a mounted partion
[08:30] <Rumo_> yes that should work
[08:30] <ubuntu> well but where it will create that iso file?
[08:31] <Rumo_> in your current directory
[08:31] <ubuntu> i am on live cd
[08:31] <ubuntu> read that cant do dd from active disk
[08:31] <Rumo_> you can mount a partion and put it there
[08:31] <ubuntu> or when apps or OS is running frm it
[08:31] <ubuntu> Rumo_: u have few mins for me<
[08:31] <ubuntu> ?
[08:32] <Rumo_> you can't copy a mounted partition but you can copy a partition to a mounted partition
[08:32] <Rumo_> yes
[08:32] <Rumo_> inside the directory tree
[08:32] <shane__> I'm still haveing trouble installing realplayer, I don't know how to use apt very well I guess.
[08:32] <shane__> where do I type the command $ sudo apt-get install realplay
[08:32] <BluesKaj> err why realplayer...there are better ones
[08:32] <ubuntu> Rumo_: so i will tell u i  have hdb3 as root and hdb4 as home
[08:33] <shane__> cause I'm new and don't know any better
[08:33] <Rumo_> ok
[08:33] <shane__> what else is there?
[08:33] <h3sp4wn> !commercial
[08:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about commercial - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:33] <h3sp4wn> realplay is in the canocial commercial repositories
[08:33] <ubuntu> if i make iso file of hdb3 to hdb4 how large it will be as big as whole partition?
[08:33] <h3sp4wn> you would need to enable them (probably there is a factoid
[08:34] <Rumo_> ubuntu: simple: the size of the partition
[08:34] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: iso is for cd's not linux partitions
[08:34] <ubuntu> lets say i have 10 gb root then  iso  will  have 10 gb?
[08:34] <Rumo_> yes
[08:34] <ubuntu> ah
[08:34] <Rumo_> dd makes a bitwise copy of a partition
[08:34] <ubuntu> is there any command that can only backup files and not also free space?
[08:35] <Rumo_> sure
[08:35] <Rumo_> you can use tar for example
[08:35] <ubuntu> so  if i use tar
[08:35] <ubuntu> the end file will  be like 2 GB and not 10 GB?
[08:35] <Rumo_> depends
[08:36] <Rumo_> may well be
[08:36] <True_Friend> I want to install java plugin for swiftfox 2.1 on kubuntu edgy i have java 6 plz guide me to install plugin manually
[08:36] <ubuntu> Rumo_: so i use tar is best for this?
[08:37] <Rumo_> i don't know if it is best for it
[08:37] <Rumo_> the easiest method is dd - but it needs lots of space
[08:37] <ubuntu> well my   home folder is 100 GB
[08:37] <ubuntu> :D
[08:38] <goodthing> pics of 8K for question purposes are allowed here right?
[08:38] <Rumo_> i would use dd
[08:38] <ubuntu> well but i want only files backup not free space :/
[08:38] <hatta> dd will copy the partition bit for bit, which isn't what he wants
[08:38] <hatta> tar will archive all your files
[08:39] <ubuntu> and sbackup suite
[08:39] <ubuntu> or wat is that
[08:39] <hatta> but it will be up to you to recreate your partitions in the event of a disaster
[08:39] <ubuntu> is also for kubuntu ?
[08:39] <Rumo_> ubuntu: don't know many backup tools
[08:39] <Rumo_> i
[08:39] <h3sp4wn> dd if=/dev/hda conv=sync,noerror bs=64k | gzip -c (you can do that)
[08:39] <Rumo_> i'm only using tar -cvzf, tar -cvjf and dd
[08:39] <ubuntu> Rumo_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/SimpleBackupSuite
[08:40] <Rumo_> i think h3sp4wn as the answer for you
[08:40] <Rumo_> it will take quite some time, though
[08:40] <ubuntu> so it will only backup files or whole partition?
[08:41] <Rumo_> it will backup the whole partition and compress the image
[08:41] <h3sp4wn> compress it to stdout though - gzip -c > image.gz to save to a file
[08:42] <goodthing> the structure of this setting here is weird to me -> http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/7417/foo1st9.png
[08:42] <Rumo_> i don't speak dutch ;-)
[08:42] <goodthing> it should tell me something different than the x, i assume
[08:42] <goodthing> no it's not about the text
[08:43] <ubuntu> so i just use DD and then compress with gzip right?
[08:43] <Rumo_> yeah, you can zip it afterwards too
[08:43] <ubuntu> thx i wil try
[08:44] <h3sp4wn> there is dump as well
[08:44] <goodthing> i mean the lines inside the checkbox, i have no clue about that
[08:45] <Rumo_> or dd_rescue if the partition is broken - saved my life yesterday ;-)
[08:45] <ubuntu> :D
[08:45] <Rumo_> don't know either, goodthing
[08:45] <goodthing> :)
[08:45] <DaSkreech> jhutchins: Thanks
[08:47] <Rumo_> i think it's just because it's a text setting, goodthing
[08:47] <ubuntu> well Rumo_ wat is better to use GUI or try a bit with terminal?
[08:48] <Rumo_> ubuntu: i would use the terminal
[08:48] <Rumo_> but it's your choice
[08:48] <Rumo_> i don't trust GUIs when it comes to backups
[08:49] <h3sp4wn> I have only used dd to clone when I was using identical sized disks
[08:51] <ubuntu> Rumo_: is it possible to backup through dd/tar also NTFS partitions?
[08:51] <Rumo_> sure
[08:51] <Rumo_> it copies every single bit so it does not depend on the partition type
[08:51] <Rumo_> correct me if i'm wrong...
[08:52] <h3sp4wn> I only know for certain it works when the partition size is the same
[08:53] <h3sp4wn> (I always copied the bootsector also though)
[08:53] <h3sp4wn> disk size sorry
[08:53] <Rumo_> yeah, if you copy it to another partition
[08:53] <Rumo_> but if you copy it to a file, it's ok, and it does not depend on disk size afaik
[08:54] <Rumo_> i mirrored my ubuntu installation to another partition on the same disk to install feisty
[08:54] <h3sp4wn> so if you do dd if=/dev/hda5 of=backup.img then that is ok (and you can just put it back with dd also ?)
[08:55] <h3sp4wn> because the partition table is not involved
[08:55] <ubuntu> Rumo_: wat does this mean plz tar -cvpzf /backup.tgz --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/backup.tgz --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/sys /?
[08:55] <Rumo_> yes h3sp4wn
[08:55] <ubuntu> that it wont backup lost+found mnt and sys?
[08:55] <ubuntu> and where do i set location of end tar?
[08:56] <h3sp4wn> proc and sys you don't want to back up - mnt not either you probably don't want to backup /media either
[08:56] <GalaZ> hi guys.. have anyone the ATI?
[08:56] <ubuntu> yeah but how can i set end destination of that file?
[08:56] <rcrook> When doing a full backup remember to be in single user mode.
[08:57] <Rumo_> ubuntu -c create -v verify -p don't know yet -z zip -f file -exclude exclude directory  and finally /: whole directory tree
[08:57] <Rumo_> you should --exclude=/home, too
[08:57] <ubuntu> ah
[08:57] <Rumo_> -p is same permissions
[08:57] <Rumo_> ok
[08:57] <GalaZ> !ati
[08:57] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:58] <ubuntu> so i am not retarted then after i type tar -cvpzf /backup.tgz --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/backup.tgz --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/sys / for example  i need to wrrite where i want the backup to be saved?
[08:58] <Rumo_> yes ubuntu
[08:59] <ubuntu> and Rumo_ that tar i should do from livecd or installed linux?
[08:59] <Rumo_> you should use /backup.tgz because otherwise you would not need to exclude it
[08:59] <ubuntu> kk
[08:59] <Rumo_> doesn't matter
[08:59] <ubuntu> i give it a try
[08:59] <ubuntu> need to go now will be back in few mins
[09:01] <raeez> I Need help with my ATI card before I go crazy!!!!!!!! :(
[09:02] <ubuntu> hi
[09:02] <raeez> Has anybody here installed the propriety ati drivers?
[09:02] <raeez> and got 3d accelleration to work (and opengl without shearing) ?
[09:02] <Tm_T> Sure, many of us.
[09:02] <Tm_T> !ati
[09:02] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:02] <ubuntu> anywhere speak spanish
[09:03] <Tm_T> Checked already?
[09:03] <Tm_T> !es
[09:03] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:03] <ubuntu> gracias ubotu
[09:03] <raeez> thanks TmT i havent tried that link out yet
[09:03] <raeez> thanks Tm_T i havent tried that link out yet
[09:04] <ubuntu> soy nuevo conoces algun canal en espaol ubotu
[09:04] <ubuntu> enviamelo porfa
[09:05] <compgood> anyone know anything about using pipes? (not pipes in the console, but pipes using the pipe() function for ipc)
[09:05] <GalaZ> hi guys.. have anyone the ATI?
[09:05] <LjL> !es | ubuntu
[09:05] <ubotu> ubuntu: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:05] <GalaZ> !it | kubuntu
[09:05] <ubotu> kubuntu: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:05] <ubuntu> gracias muy amable,
[09:10] <GalaZ> hi guys.. have anyone the ATI?
[09:11] <GalaZ> can anyone help me to install an ATI Graphic Card?
[09:11] <pointy> quick question: I should be able to connect to a sftp server with fish://<ip address>:<port> right?
[09:13] <Rumo_> yes pointy
[09:15] <h3sp4wn> sshfs or shfs is as nice though
[09:16] <Lam_> i popped in a cd into my drive and it stalled during mounting or something, and when i tried to eject it just now, the green light blinks repeatedly. is there a way to force cancel the mount via terminal?'
[09:16] <erhanr> !ati  GalaZ
[09:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ati  galaz - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:16] <erhanr> !ati
[09:16] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:17] <pointy> thx
[09:17] <Lam_> !umount
[09:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about umount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:19] <GalaZ> erhanr: this guide is for ubuntu or kubuntu?
[09:19] <erhanr> Galaz must be same
[09:25] <GalaZ> g
[09:25] <GalaZ> ala@Gala-Desktop:~$ fglrxinfo
[09:25] <GalaZ> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[09:25] <GalaZ> OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc.
[09:25] <GalaZ> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 20060815 AGP 1x TCL
[09:25] <GalaZ> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.3 Mesa 6.5.1)
[09:26] <h3sp4wn> Why do you want fglrx ? you won't have aiglx then
[09:26] <h3sp4wn> r300 is working by the looks of it
[09:26] <h3sp4wn> (just get rid of fglrx to remove the diverts and it will be fine)
[09:27] <GalaZ> h3sp4wn: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[09:27] <GalaZ> is in the guide :|
[09:28] <h3sp4wn> You only need fglrx if the other drivers are not working well enough for you
[09:28] <GalaZ> and so what command i need to do for install?
[09:29] <h3sp4wn> You need to install fglrx possibly - what do you want fglrx for ?
[09:29] <dan_> Qualcuno ha installato limewire?
[09:30] <h3sp4wn> uninstall fglrx sorry
[09:30] <Little_Eagle> !ati
[09:30] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:30] <Little_Eagle> !it
[09:30] <h3sp4wn> That is a stupid factoid
[09:30] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:30] <h3sp4wn> and doesn't take any account of the fact that fglrx is rarely necessary <=X850
[09:30] <dan_> did anyone install limewire? (is it right?)
[09:31] <Little_Eagle> h3sp4w3:  Are we going to debate the need for real ATI drivers?
[09:31] <GalaZ> h3sp4wn: how can i disinstal fglrx?
[09:31] <h3sp4wn> GalaZ: sudo aptitude purge fglrx~i
[09:32] <h3sp4wn> Little_Eagle: real ? anything less than <=X850 works fine with r300
[09:32] <GalaZ> h3sp4wn
[09:32] <GalaZ> and now?
[09:32] <GalaZ> for my drivers ati what i need to do?
[09:33] <h3sp4wn> GalaZ: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:33] <h3sp4wn> GalaZ: please don't pm me
[09:33] <GalaZ> grep?
[09:34] <h3sp4wn> open a terminal
[09:34] <GalaZ> gala@Gala-Desktop:~$ grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:34] <GalaZ>         Driver      "kbd"
[09:34] <GalaZ>         Driver      "mouse"
[09:34] <GalaZ>         Driver      "wacom"
[09:34] <GalaZ>         Driver      "wacom"
[09:34] <GalaZ>         Driver      "wacom"
[09:34] <GalaZ>         Option      "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
[09:34] <GalaZ>         Driver      "ati"
[09:34] <GalaZ>         Driver      "fglrx"
[09:34] <GalaZ> sorry wrong
[09:34] <GalaZ> !paste
[09:34] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:35] <GalaZ> h3sp4wn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4459/
[09:35] <h3sp4wn> GalaZ: probably easier to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:35] <Little_Eagle> It looks to me like he's got both.
[09:36] <h3sp4wn> It does to me also
[09:36] <h3sp4wn> if you really want fglrx you can use kano's install script
[09:37] <GalaZ> h3sp4wn i need a stuff for work my games... with wine
[09:37] <raeez> @apt-fix
[09:37] <raeez> !apt-fix
[09:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:37] <raeez> !aptfix
[09:37] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[09:37] <h3sp4wn> GalaZ: buy nvidia then
[09:38] <h3sp4wn> GalaZ: wget -Nc -O/usr/local/bin/install-fglrx-debian.sh http://kanotix.com/files/install-fglrx-debian.sh
[09:38] <h3sp4wn> GalaZ: actually first run sudo -i
[09:38] <kosmo_> hi somone can help me to mount my new hardisk
[09:38] <kosmo_> ?
[09:38] <h3sp4wn> GalaZ: chmod 755 /usr/local/bin/install-fglrx-debian.sh
[09:38] <raeez> Does everybody have poor performance on an ati card?
[09:38] <h3sp4wn> GalaZ: install-fglrx-debian.sh
[09:39] <h3sp4wn> raeez: ati's driver suck other than the r200 cards that are very old
[09:39] <kosmo_> ok i add new hardisk in the /dev/hdb how i can mount it
[09:39] <kosmo_> ?
[09:39] <raeez> I have an ATI X1900XTX :(
[09:39] <h3sp4wn> is it formatted?
[09:39] <jonathan__> anyone here know how to get broadcom wireless cards working?  I'm totally new to this, so go slow
[09:39] <kosmo_> yes
[09:39] <kosmo_> h3sp4wn
[09:39] <hatta> don't worry jonathan__ we'll be gentle since it's your first time
[09:39] <kosmo_> i format it in the install
[09:39] <raeez> how are the opensource drivers compared to the prop drivers?
[09:39] <BluesKaj> ati cards can work on some stuff depending on the drivers
[09:39] <jonathan__> thanks
[09:39] <timster> Whats the best logon screen manager?
[09:39] <kosmo_> i want to mount it but it dont in the /etc/fstab
[09:39] <kosmo_> file
[09:40] <h3sp4wn> raeez: good for playing games in windows though (my brother has an X1950XTX)
[09:40] <h3sp4wn> decent picture quality
[09:40] <raeez> h3sp4wn my X1900XTX is killer in windows but it sux in linux
[09:40] <GalaZ> i've ATI Radeon 9800 pRo 256mb
[09:41] <h3sp4wn> I have used an ati radeon 9800pro with the free drivers fine
[09:41] <h3sp4wn> also with fglrx
[09:41] <kosmo_> h3sp4wn
[09:41] <kosmo_> so you know how to help me
[09:41] <timster> Whats the best kdm theme manager?
[09:41] <kosmo_> ?
[09:41] <Little_Eagle> kosmo_: mkdir /whatever  && mount -t auto /dev/hdb1 /whatever
[09:41] <BluesKaj> raeez, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-c966b2cb7c82944d6883f27a2896725db3b90a3a
[09:41] <GalaZ> root@Gala-Desktop:~# chmod 755 /usr/local/bin/install-fglrx-debian.sh
[09:41] <GalaZ> root@Gala-Desktop:~# install-fglrx-debian.sh
[09:41] <GalaZ> Error: No KANOTIX found. Do not ask for support!
[09:41] <GalaZ> Error: Can`t be run within X! Use a text console (ALT-CTRL-F1)
[09:41] <GalaZ> root@Gala-Desktop:~#
[09:42] <Little_Eagle> replace auto with whatever type (ext3 etc) it is.
[09:42] <jonathan__> I found a program called ndiswrapper, but I have no idea how to use it to make the drivers work on the wireless card
[09:42] <Little_Eagle> and use sudo first
[09:42] <h3sp4wn> GalaZ: run it from text console
[09:42] <h3sp4wn> GalaZ: alt + ctrl + f1
[09:42] <raeez> GalaZ thanks but ive done that
[09:42] <raeez> I still get choppy video playing in xine,mplayer and any opengl situation
[09:43] <h3sp4wn> GalaZ: (you will need to run sudo -i there)
[09:43] <kosmo_> kosmo@kosmo-pc:/media$ sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /dev/hdb1
[09:43] <kosmo_> mount: /dev/hdb1 is not a block device
[09:43] <GalaZ> now still downloading a stuff ati
[09:44] <kosmo_>
[09:44] <kosmo_> eagle
[09:44] <kosmo_> what i need to do
[09:44] <h3sp4wn> GalaZ: Is it running in the text console now ?
[09:44] <GalaZ> no
[09:44] <jonathan__> anyone kow how to make broadcom wireless cards work?
[09:44] <GalaZ> only in alt+ctrl+1
[09:44] <Little_Eagle> kosmo_: then it isn't hdb1.  You sure it's hdb and not hbc?
[09:44] <kosmo_> yes
[09:44] <h3sp4wn> GalaZ: that is what I ment (ctrl alt f1)
[09:44] <kosmo_> i am sure
[09:45] <kosmo_> how i can check it
[09:45] <kosmo_> ?
[09:45] <h3sp4wn> GalaZ: at some point it will kill and restart X (and after that the drivers should be working right)
[09:45] <Little_Eagle> well, your system isn't seeing it.
[09:45] <GalaZ> when download is finished what i need to do?
[09:45] <kosmo_> i am sure that is a hdb
[09:45] <h3sp4wn> sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb
[09:46] <h3sp4wn> GalaZ: Nothing it takes care of fixing xorg.conf etc
[09:46] <kosmo_> !pastebin
[09:46] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:46] <h3sp4wn> GalaZ: (and if it doesn't it should
[09:46] <kosmo_> sec i show you in the pastebin
[09:46] <Little_Eagle> please
[09:47] <kosmo_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4463/
[09:47] <kosmo_> look
[09:47] <kosmo_> Little_Eagle:
[09:47] <Little_Eagle> aha,  same command as above but hdb3 insead of hdb1
[09:47] <kosmo_> oooo
[09:47] <kosmo_> right
[09:50] <hazard> Anyone know of any linux software that will allow for control of sony ACPI fan controllers?
[09:51] <Little_Eagle> I'm suprised kano's script would work.  Know what he's doing now that kanotix is dead.  Is he going to help with Sidux?
[09:52] <crube> I've been using Linux for a while now, and I thought of a couple of things: Is there a defragmentation tool, or do I even need one? And do I ever need to run a virus scan, and is there a good program for that?
[09:52] <h3sp4wn> Little_Eagle: he fixed it for ubuntu quite a while ago
[09:52] <uhahaha> selam .... Trk varm..?
[09:52] <h3sp4wn> Little_Eagle: next kanotix will be based on feisty I think
[09:52] <Little_Eagle> !tk
[09:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:52] <hazard> crube: no, and unlikely.
[09:53] <uhahaha> bir soru soracam bu kubuntu ilee...
[09:53] <crube> hazard: alright thanks
[09:53] <nagyv> !tr
[09:53] <ubotu> Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[09:53] <nagyv> !tr | uhahaha
[09:53] <ubotu> uhahaha: please see above
[09:53] <uhahaha> yaa ben ikinci hardiski tantamadm.. giremiyorum ikinci hardiskin iine... nasl yapabilirm yardm edebilecek varm acaba
[09:53] <jhutchins> Who was it who was looking to put video on his iPod?
[09:54] <Little_Eagle> TR? Shame on me.
[09:54] <jhutchins> http://handbrake.m0k.org/
[09:54] <nagyv> :)
[09:54] <Lars_G> Riddell: Are you around sire?
[09:54] <ubuntu> !sk
[09:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:55] <nagyv> ubuntu: it can happen that there is no slovakian ubuntu local community
[09:55] <ubuntu> nagyv:  u from svk?
[09:55] <nagyv> ubuntu: Hungary :)