[16:22] <theadmin> jrib: Well, with GUIs doing things the "traditional" way hardly works
[16:22] <hellslinger> trism: is there a way to get 3.5.90 installed through a PPA?
[16:22] <trism> hellslinger: take it to #ubuntu+1 and I'll check
[16:22] <hellslinger> roger that
[16:24] <PatrickC> did the "install alongside windows" option get removed from Ubuntu 12.04.1
[16:25] <PatrickC> ?
[16:25] <crizis> likely not? :P
[16:26] <PatrickC> i have the options: Replace Windows with Ubuntu or "Someting Else"
[16:26] <PatrickC> no more "Install ubuntu along side windows"
[16:26] <BEC> genii-around, thanks & have a good day :D
[16:26] <ar0nic> its under something else
[16:27] <PatrickC> ar0nic: do you happen to know what?
[16:27] <PatrickC> i want to keep my windows partition, but shrink it to like 60gb ;)
[16:28] <ripthejacker> network connections are not visible in network connections panel
[16:29] <ripthejacker> is this a bug?
[16:29] <ripthejacker> for the connections to show up i have to disable networking an enable  it again
[16:30] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, If you're going to shrink the NTFS partition, DEFRAGMENT it, at least twice, prior to any other manipulation.
[16:30] <PatrickC> Sidewinder1: never done that before when installing ubuntu, as there has always been an "Install alongside windows" option that i used
[16:31] <PatrickC> so should i defrag the HDD a few times before resizing it? and should i use gparted to resize it or a partition manager in windows?
[16:31] <PatrickC> never had to do it myself ;)
[16:33] <faz> hi ! i cant mount my iphone
[16:33] <BluesKaj> PatrickC, some say to defrag before resizing windows partitions , can't hurt
[16:33] <PatrickC> afaik iphones and ubuntu don't play nice.. but i might be wrong (havent done it in a while)
[16:33] <PatrickC> BluesKaj: kk.. should i use gparted from a live cd to resize or resize in windows?
[16:34] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, The drfrag is done from/within the win OS; you may wish to resize it (the NTFS partition) also, from within the win OS. I've never resized from within win, but have read many times that that is the preferred method.
[16:34] <PatrickC> hmm...
[16:34]  * PatrickC wishes the option was still there :P
[16:34] <faz> ooh i seee
[16:35] <BluesKaj> PatrickC, gparted is probly best ..I use thje live cd version myself'
[16:35] <PatrickC> BluesKaj: i have it booted from a Live CD right now
[16:35] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, Just stay as far from WUBI as you can; WADR to the developers. of course.
[16:35] <BluesKaj> ok , gotta go run some errands , BBL
[16:35] <PatrickC> WADR?
[16:35] <PatrickC> i used to use WUBI, it's a nice program.. if you want to TRY ubuntu
[16:35] <PatrickC> not run it full time
[16:35] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, With All Due Respect.
[16:36] <PatrickC> ah
[16:36] <PatrickC> WUBI is amazing for newbies to linux, who just want to try
[16:36] <Sidewinder1> Yes, to "Try", not as a long term situation.
[16:36] <PatrickC> really helped me out when i was new(er) to linux ;)
[16:36] <PatrickC> exactly
[16:36] <soulisson> Hi, if i install a deb package using dpkg, can i safely remove the deb file ?
[16:36] <MonkeyDust> soulisson  yes
[16:37] <PatrickC> soulisson: yes
[16:37] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, Here is a GREAT resource, if you've not already seen it: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index
[16:38] <soulisson> it wont cause problems if decide to remove the program after using dpkg -r ?
[16:38] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, It's written and maintained by an ubuntuforums.org, moderator.
[16:38] <PatrickC> Sidewinder1: their instructions to do windows and ubuntu... WUBI -___-
[16:38] <xenium> hi all
[16:38] <TheShrub> join vim
[16:38] <Thisguy_> Halp wif the iptables pl0x?
[16:38] <PatrickC> hey xenium
[16:39] <Thisguy_> I need to reject everything but things going over certain ports
[16:39] <Thisguy_> The rules look good but it won't work.
[16:39] <xenium> i had bad problems with my pc
[16:39] <ar0nic> you dontneed wubi
[16:40] <Thisguy_> I did -P INPUT DROP and added -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT but it doesn't let me browse the web, even non-https-compatible sites
[16:40] <ar0nic> just choose other options and install along side windows
[16:40] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, Yes, he is rather confusing regarding WUBI; you need to read his entire site to fully understand his rationale, but, I don't particularly agree with him; at least on that point.
[16:41] <PatrickC> he also used the server CD for installing heh
[16:41] <PatrickC> said it was the desktop CD
[16:41] <delinquentme> how to show all groups from the command line?
[16:41] <PatrickC> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/images/installingprecise07.jpg
[16:41] <PatrickC> why do i not see this....?!
[16:41] <PatrickC> lol
[16:42] <soee> any ida whats wrong here: Torchlight.bin.x86_64: 1: Torchlight.bin.x86_64: Syntax error: "(" unexpected ?
[16:42] <truexfan81> any plans of updating pulseaudio in 12.04? current stable is 2.1  12.04 has 1.1
[16:42] <ar0nic> PatrickC its there
[16:42] <PatrickC> ar0nic: i'm looking at the screen
[16:42] <ar0nic> boot into livecd then install
[16:42] <PatrickC> it's not
[16:42] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, That screenshot may be from a previous version of ubuntu.
[16:42] <ar0nic> what version
[16:42] <PatrickC> i'm booted into the live cd
[16:43] <PatrickC> ar0nic: 12.04.1
[16:43] <ar0nic> its the something else option
[16:43] <ar0nic> it should be in there
[16:43] <PatrickC> it's not
[16:43] <PatrickC> but it says "Windows 8" and i don't have Windows 8 installed
[16:43] <PatrickC> i have Windows 7
[16:43] <PatrickC> so i'm wondering what the heck this computer is thinking right now haha
[16:44] <truexfan81> probably one of those id10t errors
[16:44] <markus___> hey i am trying to debug a kernel issue, however I get a black screen just before anything usefull is displayed, is there any way to redirect kmsgs to ttyUSB0 after I have logged in?
[16:44] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, Are you familiar with http://ubuntuforums.org?
[16:44] <PatrickC> Sidewinder1: not really
[16:45] <charlar28> i have problems with audio with ubuntu 12.04, the dirty solution is kill pulseaudio and restart it, someone with the same problem?
[16:45] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, It, also is a fantastic resource; especially the 'search' function.
[16:46] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, But, obviously not as quick as here, on IRC..
[16:46] <PatrickC> yeah
[16:46] <PatrickC> i love IRC ;)
[16:47] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, I strongly suggest that you register {it's free} :-) there and avail yourself of all that it has to offer.
[16:47] <PatrickC> Sidewinder1: i'll register there.. and wait for my friend who is on the ubuntu dev team to return to his computer ;)
[16:47] <delinquentme> how do I check what users are in a group?
[16:48] <Sidewinder1> That's actually how I learned; well before I discovered this channel.
[16:49] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, There are some very nice/knowledgeable folks there; then there's me.. ;-)
[16:49] <PatrickC> i'm the same way lol
[16:49] <truexfan81> anyone else in here using the 12.04 minimal iso? i love it
[16:50] <PatrickC> i would.. but i like bloatware in my installs ;)
[16:50] <truexfan81> lol
[16:50] <SnapSnap> Anyone know if PlayOnLinux has a channel?
[16:51] <truexfan81> PatrickC: i switched from mint13 to 12.04 minimal, it feels like i got a cpu upgrade lol
[16:51] <PatrickC> lol
[16:51] <truexfan81> its so much faster without all the bloat
[16:51] <PatrickC> what cpu u have truexfan81?
[16:51] <truexfan81> athlon2 245
[16:51] <truexfan81> dual 2.9
[16:51] <PatrickC> how much RAM?
[16:52] <truexfan81> mobo is maxed out at 4GB
[16:52] <PatrickC> nice
[16:52] <PatrickC> i normally use a full desktop ISO
[16:52] <PatrickC> might go server and build it up with a WM
[16:52] <PatrickC> thinking of doing that right now actually.... heh
[16:52] <truexfan81> with 12.04 minimal it only uses more than a gig of ram when i have firefox running
[16:53] <truexfan81> when i kill firefox it goes down to around 700MB of ram used lol
[16:53] <truexfan81> i have conky running thats how i know that
[16:53] <PatrickC> if i'm wanting to do a fully custom install, should i do a server install and then build off of that or a minimal install?
[16:54] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, As you're probably aware, server is CLI; has no desktop/GUI, unless you add one..
[16:54] <truexfan81> depends on what you want to use it for
[16:54] <truexfan81> Sidewinder1: i did the minimal install and chose not to install a de
[16:54] <PatrickC> Sidewinder1: i would install something like cinnamon
[16:54] <truexfan81> then later from the cli i installed xorg and mate 1.4
[16:54] <PatrickC> and truexfan81, building Android and other open source distros ;)
[16:54] <Sidewinder1> Kewl.
[16:54] <truexfan81> oh nice
[16:55] <PatrickC> but you can install a WM inside of server?
[16:55] <truexfan81> PatrickC: how would Android run on a pc? i mean how well
[16:55] <Sidewinder1> bbiab
[16:55] <PatrickC> truexfan81: that i coulnd't answer
[16:55] <PatrickC> truexfan81: i'm on an android ROM team
[16:55] <PatrickC> and i also do some open webOS stuff
[16:56] <truexfan81> PatrickC: i'm sure you probably could install a de, but you would have probably have to install xorg as its likely not installed
[16:56] <truexfan81> on the server iso*
[16:56] <PatrickC> it would be worth it
[16:56] <PatrickC> it would run so much faster ;)
[16:56] <truexfan81> faster than the route i took?
[16:57] <PatrickC> not sure
[16:57] <PatrickC> but faster then a full desktop
[16:57] <truexfan81> oh i also built and installed pulseaudio 2.1 on it
[16:57] <PatrickC> and the server is still a 700MB download.... :S
[16:57] <truexfan81> 12.04 comes with pulseaudio 1.1
[16:58] <PatrickC> link to the minimal download truexfan81?
[16:58] <truexfan81> one sec
[16:58] <truexfan81> 64bit or 32?
[16:58] <PatrickC> thx
[16:58] <PatrickC> 64
[16:58] <truexfan81> same as me lol
[16:58] <PatrickC> LOL
[16:58] <PatrickC> lol*
[16:58] <truexfan81> its only a 30MB file
[16:58] <PatrickC> but i'll have to run a 32 as well :S
[16:58] <truexfan81> 32bit iso is 25MB
[16:59] <PatrickC> holy crap
[16:59] <PatrickC> the server iso is 657MB
[16:59] <TJ-> PatrickC: You can run a 32-bit userspace on a 64-bit kernel.
[16:59] <truexfan81> yeah thats the full server iso
[16:59] <PatrickC> TJ-: really?
[16:59] <PatrickC> TJ-: some of the things i build require 32 bit
[16:59] <truexfan81> PatrickC: the minimal iso is a netinstall thats why its so small
[16:59] <PatrickC> truexfan81: gotcha
[17:00] <TJ-> PatrickC: Of course. The interfaces are the same. I have that on my USB sticks.  I install the 32-bit minimal to a stick, then manually add the 64-bit kernels. That allows me to boot the stick with full hardware support no matter what the device is
[17:00] <truexfan81> you want the 12.04 LTS?
[17:00] <PatrickC> truexfan81: yep
[17:00] <truexfan81> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[17:00] <PatrickC> TJ-: instructions on that somewhere?
[17:00] <TJ-> PatrickC: 32-bit is best for 2GB or less; 64-bit will show benefits for 4GB+
[17:01] <PatrickC> TJ-: it has 3GB
[17:01] <charlar28> one question
[17:01] <TJ-> PatrickC: Not really needed. Install the 32-bit as you normally would. Once done, install the 64-bit kernel images too, using "sudo apt-get install linux-image:amd64 linux-headers:amd64"
[17:02] <PatrickC> TJ-: awesome, thanks
[17:02] <truexfan81> well in that case
[17:02] <truexfan81> 32bit: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[17:02] <PatrickC> lol thanks truexfan81
[17:02] <truexfan81> np
[17:02] <TJ-> PatrickC: The only thing not to be caught out by is that GRUB doesn't name the boot entries as 32/64 bit so make sure you know which one is which  - or manually change the grub.cfg menu entries and/or edit the scripts in /etc/grub.d/ to do that
[17:03] <charlar28> if i have installed a 32bits ubuntu and i have 8gb ram, the program userspace is 4gb but the system will use the 8gb if 2 processes uses 4 gb?
[17:03] <TJ-> charlar28: correct... on 32bit PAE the kernel can address all memory, but each process is limited to 4GB
[17:03] <PatrickC> TJ-: so in essence it installs both 32 and 64 bit versions?
[17:03] <charlar28> thanks TJ
[17:03] <PatrickC> and just boots the different kernels?
[17:03] <TJ-> PatrickC: No - you're not installed a 64-bit userspace, just the kernels
[17:04] <DLabz> hi, all.. our entire network crashed as software we use pushed update that requires new Air... I know Air is not officially supported, but ... is there unofficial way of installing new Air?
[17:05] <TJ-> PatrickC: for most modern Intel-based CPUs, they support long-mode (64-bit) as well as 32-bit, so a 64-bit kernel is OK. For CPUs that don't support long-mode, a 32-bit kernel is required. Ubuntu ships with a PAE 32-bit kernel by default now, which can address more than 4GB of RAM, but each process is still limited to a 32-bit address space (4GB)
[17:06] <PatrickC> TJ-: i know my computr can handle the 64bit, ran it for a while
[17:06] <PatrickC> but some things i build require 32 bit to build
[17:07] <PatrickC> so would i be better off going your route or just running a VM?
[17:07] <delinquentme> if I want to put the password to a user name login ... inline with the ssh command ... how do I do this?
[17:07] <OerHeks> PatrickC, since 11.10 ubuntu is multi arch
[17:07] <Guest21031> Hi, I'm running Linux Mint maya (3.2.0-23-generic). When I run lsmod I can see my wireless driver (ath9k,ath9k_common,ath9k_hw). However when I run hostapd I get the following error: invalid/unknown driver 'ath9k'. Can anyone help?
[17:08] <PatrickC> OerHeks: cool.. that still doesn't help the building issue ;)
[17:08] <OerHeks> Guest21031 some can help in the mint irc
[17:08] <genii-around> !mint
[17:08] <TJ-> PatrickC: 32-bit user-space means less memory taken up by programs in many cases, since pointers and other CPU structures are only 4-bytes wide, not 8 bytes as they are on a 64-bit CPU. The advantage of a 64-bit CPU is, it has more general purpose registers so many functions can load their parameters into registers without needing intermediate reading/writing to (slow) RAM, thus making programs faster. That's why we say there's a trade-off and the cut-off point is aro
[17:08] <TJ-> und 2 or 3GB
[17:09] <PatrickC> gotcha.. i think i'll got with 64 then
[17:10] <TJ-> PatrickC: as OerHeks said, Debian and Ubuntu are now multiarch. That means that 64-bit and 32-bit libraries can be installed alongside each other. No longer do we have the pain of the old ia32libs issues
[17:10] <truexfan81> PatrickC: if you take my route and not install a de, i found the easiest way to install xorg
[17:11] <PatrickC> truexfan81: when you say "DE" what do you mean?
[17:11] <PatrickC> never heard that term before
[17:11] <truexfan81> desktop environment
[17:11] <truexfan81> kde, xfce, mate, cinnamon, etc
[17:11] <TJ-> Always back-up your back-ups. DVD data recovery status: elapsed time 8 hours; estimated remaining 21 hours
[17:11] <PatrickC> ah, i always called them WM (window manager)
[17:11] <OerHeks> TJ-, i find building 32 bit apps on 64 bit quite hard to do
[17:12] <truexfan81> but yeah if you take the route i did and not pick one in the installer, it will not install xorg
[17:12] <TJ-> OerHeks: Yeah, there are some issues until all the libraries are sorted out.  This is beginning to sound like a Monty Python sketch
[17:16] <PatrickC> what WM/DE do you guys use? truexfan81
[17:16] <bekks> !poll | PatrickC
[17:16] <captine> 6MB, but in the Philippines.  Lucky to ever get close to 1MB/s
[17:16] <truexfan81> i use Mate 1.4 and its window manager Marco
[17:17] <PatrickC> bekks: i understand there is no single "best" app... just getting opinions
[17:17] <PatrickC> i've used several different WM's, mainly cinnamon is my favorite.. just wondering what others are using hehe
[17:17] <PatrickC> heh*
[17:17] <jenia> hello everyone.
[17:17] <jenia> i installed the ftp server
[17:17] <truexfan81> PatrickC: mate, cinnamon are sadly not options in the installer
[17:18] <PatrickC> truexfan81: that's fine.. i can install it from cmd line
[17:18] <jenia> and there's a line there to allow anonymous connection
[17:18] <truexfan81> after it booted into cli i added the mate ppa and installed it that way, there was one package i had to install before it would let me add the ppa
[17:18] <zetheroo> is there any way to have Nautilus File Manager open with the dual pane mode already enabled? It's such an absolute pain having to re-enable it every time I open it!
[17:18] <jenia> i dont think that that's what i need
[17:19] <jenia> i would like to to be like in ssh
[17:19] <truexfan81> PatrickC: one sec i'll look in my logs and see what the package was, it was python-something
[17:19] <jenia> where i do ssh jenia@some_ip
[17:19] <jenia> password*
[17:19] <jenia> is there a way to achieve that?
[17:19] <captine> PatrickC, have you used Unity much?  I am really enjoying it.  Seen lots of different views, but it works really well for me as a casual user
[17:20] <PatrickC> i hate unity
[17:20] <odinsbane> I have a new computer and ubuntu does not recognize the internet cable. it works fine from windows so the connection should work.
[17:20] <charlar28> jenia, on server sudo apt-get install ssh or sshd dont remember
[17:20] <jenia> okay
[17:20] <jenia> and then?
[17:20] <CTLwm> unity sucks
[17:21] <odinsbane> I
[17:21] <charlar28> jenia, from a client ssh jenia@someip -> user the jenia's password on server
[17:21] <charlar28> use*
[17:21] <truexfan81> PatrickC: to install mate from cli you will first need to install python-software-properties
[17:21] <odinsbane> I've never had the wired connection not work, so I'm not sure where to begin.
[17:21] <dr_willis_> unity works very well here and is geting some neat features in 12.10
[17:21] <jenia> (i want to install an ftp server, and to login into it as myself.:jenia)
[17:21] <PatrickC> i think i'm going to go with XFCE actually
[17:21] <CTLwm> try MATE
[17:21] <truexfan81> ok that will be much easier then
[17:21] <CTLwm> its like the old gnome shell
[17:21] <jenia> charlar28, i want to install an ftp server. but its configured to connect with anonymous clients
[17:21] <PatrickC> i love gnome shell
[17:21] <dr_willis_> mate and cinimon are not supported here.
[17:21] <PatrickC> i think i might install MATE then :)
[17:21] <truexfan81> CTLwm: no its like gnome2
[17:22] <jenia> charlar28, whereas i would like to connect to it as myself: jenia
[17:22] <CTLwm> jenia: why do you want install DE on ftp server?
[17:22] <llutz> jenia: you want to read the documentation of the ftp-server you installed, mainly the configuration-options
[17:22] <truexfan81> PatrickC: did you like gnome2?
[17:22] <charlar28> jenia, then you should read the documentation to enable local user authentication
[17:22] <jenia> what a DE?
[17:22] <PatrickC> i love gnome 2
[17:22] <truexfan81> thats what mate is
[17:22] <PatrickC> truexfan81: no kidding...
[17:22] <CTLwm> truexfan18: i meant gnome shell in general nothing particular; i.e. gnome 3 or gnome 2....
[17:22] <charlar28> jenia, probably reading the config file of ftp you can find what you need
[17:23] <CTLwm> and yes the old gnome shell is the gnome 2 or previous versions
[17:23] <jenia> okay thanks
[17:23] <truexfan81> PatrickC: when gnome dropped gnome2 mate project picked it up
[17:23] <PatrickC> nice!
[17:23] <dr_willis_> gnome2 is/was lacking in many ways.. but its basically dead now. ;)
[17:23] <PatrickC> meh.. still the best UI ever ;)
[17:23] <PatrickC> i HATE Unity with a passion
[17:23] <PatrickC> my friends who work for Canoical try to get my to use Unity... i told them no :P
[17:24] <dr_willis_> gnome2 was devinatly not the best...
[17:24] <truexfan81> PatrickC: in mate nautilus is now Caja, gedit is now pluma
[17:24] <PatrickC> i use sublime for text editing anyway...
[17:24] <Pici> Can we please move the non-support discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic so that the folks who really need support here can get it?
[17:24] <truexfan81> metacity is Marco
[17:24] <Pici> !offtopic
[17:24] <PatrickC> sorry Pici
[17:24] <truexfan81> PatrickC: lets move over to the offtopic channel as they ask
[17:25] <odinsbane> How can I find which ethernet card I have?
[17:25] <charlar28> odinsbane lspci
[17:25] <genii-around> odinsbane: lspci -nn | grep Network
[17:25] <PatrickC> now heres a support question... :P just burned the minimalistic iso to a CD, and it won't boot...
[17:26] <genii-around> odinsbane: The -nn part here will give you the vendor:device code which can be very useful to look up
[17:26] <PatrickC> brb
[17:27] <odinsbane> hmm it is atheros it seems that it should be in the kernel.
[17:27] <charlar28> error code, or blank screen PatrickC?
[17:28] <delinquentme> does a ssh key contain information about a user or just a machine?
[17:29] <delinquentme> like if server A's shared ssh key is placed on server B  ... any user on A can get into B?
[17:29] <uget> hello all, i have plan to upgrade my ubuntu without doing fresh install mainly because i want to experience an upgrade from CD. how can i do it?
[17:29] <awole20> delinquentme: as in, anyone can get at/load the ssh key?
[17:30] <jrib> delinquentme: any user with the private key corresponding to that public key
[17:30] <awole20> delinquentme: anyone who has access to the key can log into authorized servers
[17:33] <Ihsan008> Hello, I need professional help to configure my Ubuntu installation. Well, I tried to install Ubuntu several times, becuase I was trying to get my (second) video card (nvidia) running, but without succes I was messing up so I must reinstall Ubuntu again... My notebook is a Asus K52Jc, it has an Intel vcard and a nvidia card (GeForce 310M), I never got the nvidia driver installed correct. When i start nvidia-config (or something) it said that i
[17:34] <delinquentme> awole20, jrib for the multiple users who are sudo on server A ... they all have access to B
[17:34] <TommehM> I am getting this error when compiling flightgear, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1217173/
[17:34] <jrib> delinquentme: anyone with the private key can access the account on the remote server that you've placed the public key in
[17:35] <odinsbane> linuxine sucks
[17:35] <delinquentme> jrib, how do I know what users have access to a particular private key?
[17:35] <hylian> i am looking for a program that will let me launch a menu app from openbox. the same menu as alacarte. I have been using xfce4-panel, but I was wondering if there was something a little simpler? I just need to run it from time to time, not always.
[17:35] <TommehM> odinsbane, Linuxine?
[17:35] <delinquentme> do all sudo have access to all private keys?
[17:36] <awole20> delinquentme: generally ssh key security depend on user access controls - so sudoers would technically be able to access everyone's keys
[17:36] <captine> Ihsan008, i am no expert, but my laptop has intel and nvidia GT540.  the intel works out the box, but i use bumblebee to activate the Nvidia card
[17:36] <delinquentme> awole20, ok check thanks
[17:36] <delinquentme> one more... Also does ubuntu have a specified dir within /usr   that would be advisable for storing data about a server running on that machine?
[17:36] <odinsbane> Some website that comes up with searches for linux problems. TommehM
[17:37] <jrib> delinquentme: data like?
[17:37] <awole20> though, to be fair, password encryption may make it 'hard' for sudoers to use the keyfile, it's not impossible to be cracked.
[17:37] <Ihsan008> Hmm, okay, I think I must do the same as you do captine. Could you please exaplin me or give tips on how to use bumblebee and what it actualy does, since im quite new into this. I would really appreciate :)
[17:37] <delinquentme> im serving up files located in /usr/local/*
[17:37] <delinquentme> config data for that rails application
[17:37] <dr_willis_> !optimus
[17:37] <delinquentme> but its config data unique to that machine ... so its not in the repo that everyone has
[17:37] <dr_willis_> !bumblebee
[17:38] <delinquentme> dr_willis, !tinkywinky
[17:38] <captine> Ihsan008, i am very new to this too, but basically, my understadning is bumblebee is a work around for nvidia optimus laptops, as linux doesnt currently have support in the kernel/nvidia drivers
[17:38] <TommehM> odinsbane, Link?
[17:38] <hylian> dr_willis_: I don't think ubottu is very knowledgeable about the Transformers universe. LOL. :)
[17:38] <dr_willis_> the askubuntu.com site and ubuntu wiki pages have some info on those
[17:39] <SomeoneWeird> there was a tool I found a while back that downloads literally the base essentials for debian/ubuntu, anyone know the name of it?
[17:39] <TJ-> delinquentme: Yes, the /usr/local/ directories are the place... it sounds like the kind of thing you'd put in /usr/local/etc/<appname>/
[17:39] <Ihsan008> Okay, thank you :) Im so happy now I got a solution for this. Uhm could you please provide me a source (link) to the site where yo udownloaded or got info about bumblebee and about how to use? You made my day captine, really :P
[17:39] <jrib> SomeoneWeird: define "base essentials"
[17:39] <dr_willis_> SomeoneWeird:  debootstrap
[17:39] <TJ-> SomeoneWeird: debootstrap
[17:39] <zetheroo> I cannot believe a basic function of a file manager such as dual pane by default is still not implemented in Nautilus!
[17:39] <hylian> SomeoneWeird: you wheren't thinking of suckless-tools, where you?
[17:39] <dr_willis_> the askubuntu.com site and ubuntu wiki pages have some info on  bu,mblebee
[17:39] <odinsbane> TommehM: http://www.linuxine.com/story/ubuntu-wired-connection-not-working-0
[17:39] <delinquentme> TJ-, thanks
[17:39] <captine> Ihsan008, I had followed the instructions here:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee
[17:39] <TommehM> odinsbane, Okay.
[17:40] <c_nick> if i have to pay someone via paypal what should i ask that guy to provide me ?
[17:40] <SomeoneWeird> nah hylian, this downloaded the actual files for the os
[17:40] <jrib> !ot | c_nick
[17:40] <c_nick> ok thanks
[17:40] <TommehM> odinsbane, I got the answer to that when reading it. :p
[17:40] <Ihsan008> Oh, official thread, nice :). So do you always use optirun <application> to run with nvidia or is it possible to just use nvidia card only? This was my alst question :)
[17:41] <Ihsan008> Oh, and what is the best to use Ubuntu 32bit or 64bit (without dual boot)
[17:41] <TommehM> Just by reading the last part where he states it refuses to get an IP, I would have just done dhclient eth0 :p
[17:41] <dr_willis_> i use64bit on all 64bit hardware
[17:41] <hylian> Ihsan008: what is an alst question? ;)
[17:41] <PatrickC> installing ubuntu minimalistic, says "missing firmware brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw"
[17:41] <Ihsan008> last*, sorry :$
[17:42] <hylian> Ihsan008: i was just teasing a little. I am notorius for typo-ing. :)
[17:42] <Ihsan008> Haha I see ;)
[17:44] <captine> Ihsan008, once installed, you need to use the command "optirun" and then the application you are opening, to activate the nvidia card.  after some searching, found an application called "Main Menu" which lets you edit the launchers in ubuntu. you can add "optirun" to the  "command" option
[17:44] <TJ-> zetheroo: There may be a setting you can find using 'gsettings'
[17:45] <zetheroo> TJ-: man, I wish :P
[17:47] <Ihsan008> Okay, well, I got all the info I was looking for, for now. I'm really happy with the IRC and (professional) help! Thank you, I'm gonna install Ubuntu now! :) Bye
[17:47] <PatrickC> have fun Ihsan008!
[17:48] <Thisguy_> I set up iptables to block everything after it accepts on port 80, but it just blocks everything. I tried -P DROP, and also tried -A -j DROP for INPUT, ofc not the same time. Neither worked... -j DROP WAS on the end btw.
[17:49] <Thisguy_> Tried those with -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT
[17:49] <escott> Thisguy_, i think you should be doing the reverse. drop everything then accept 80
[17:49] <Thisguy_> Will do
[17:49] <Thisguy_> So I don't disconnect, what's the IRC port again? 6667 destination?
[17:49] <penreturns> 6665 6666 6667
[17:50] <Thisguy_> 6665:6667 ;) ty
[17:50] <ironhalik> Ok, wth - I suddenly lost my sound after reboot
[17:50] <odinsbane> any luck with multitouch touchpads?
[17:51] <zetheroo> TJ-: is there a GUI for gsettings?
[17:51] <escott> zetheroo, gconf-editor or dconf-editor
[17:51] <TJ-> zetheroo: I was wondering that :p
[17:52] <zetheroo> ok ;)
[17:52] <Thisguy_> Test
[17:52] <Thisguy_> Ping
[17:53] <Thisguy_> Seems to have gone back to dropping everything.
[17:53] <escott> Thisguy_, what does your rule look like
[17:54] <Thisguy_> Pastie?
[17:54] <Thisguy_> Brb
[17:54] <escott> !paste | Thisguy_
[17:54] <Thisguy_> This'll d/c me ;)
[17:55] <TJ-> zetheroo: I've just gone through the Nautilus source-code; there's no setting for that
[17:56] <zetheroo> TJ-: it's a real shame that!
[17:56] <TJ-> zetheroo: I think it's a pretty silly oversight really
[17:56] <Thisguy_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1217231/
[17:56] <zetheroo> TJ-: from what I have read it's no oversight
[17:56] <TJ-> Thisguy_: what's the pastebin ?
[17:56] <zetheroo> TJ-: seems more like the Gnome guys purposely removed the feature
[17:57] <Thisguy_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1217231/
[17:57] <TJ-> zetheroo: I respectfully claim the 5th amendment, on the grounds that my comments may tend to incriminate me :p
[17:57] <zetheroo> TJ-: hehe ... you lost me ;)
[17:57] <uget> people here seems to be don't like responding a newbie question. i have been waiting for minutes to get answer, but no response. some other time, i will come back with "professional" and "smart" questions. Thank you.
[17:58] <trism> zetheroo: I wouldn't get too attached to it anyway, the feature was removed in 3.5
[17:58] <dr_willis_> uget or they are busy
[17:58] <Thisguy_> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1217231/
[17:58] <zetheroo> trism: I find it ludicrous that the option of remembering the dual pane mode was completely removed!
[17:59] <TJ-> Thisguy_: why are repeatedly pasting a link to a pastebin? How about asking a question!?
[17:59] <Thisguy_> OH. You mean what's it of. Sorry. It's my firewall rules as requested by escott...
[17:59] <trism> zetheroo: no, I mean dual pane was removed (so I suppose no option too)
[17:59] <TJ-> Thisguy_: Is it causing you problems?
[18:00] <Thisguy_> I wanted help, since whether DROP all is in back or front it seems to take precedence. I can't set my firewall up.
[18:00] <zetheroo> trism: so dual pane is completely removed in 3.5?
[18:00] <Thisguy_> Of course, it's not on that RIGHT now.
[18:00] <Thisguy_> Flushed INPUT.
[18:00] <escott> Thisguy_, what is "dpt"
[18:00] <TJ-> Thisguy_: OK, well to begin with, yes, it ought to be the LAST rule else the other rules won't be processed
[18:00] <trism> zetheroo: yep
[18:00] <TJ-> escott: Destination Port
[18:00] <Thisguy_> How come they refused to process when they were first?
[18:01] <zetheroo> trism: gosh, what are they doing!?  Like, from man x11vnc -nevershared flag
[18:01] <Basilic> hello all, I have do a big mistake, I launch "apt-get remove python", and most program was remove, can I reinstall all default program?
[18:02] <TJ-> deffrag: Pipe it through "less" ... as in man <somepage> | less
[18:03] <llutz> Thisguy_: you're running neither http nor irc server, so what sense does your Chain "INPUT" make?
[18:03] <TJ-> deffrag: Or do you mean 'search' the page? in that case, when 'man' has started, press "/" and type a regular-expression to search for. Press Enter to search. Press "n" for 'next' match. Use "?" to search backwards.
[18:03] <xangua> Basilic: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ; should reinstall all default programs...what were you even trying to do that you even ignored the warning that a lot or packages were hoing to be removed :P
[18:03] <mbeierl> uget: you use the alternate CD, not the live CD.  Then follow the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades#Upgrading_Using_the_Alternate_CD.2BAC8-DVD
[18:03] <TJ-> Thisguy_: Your rules are on the INPUT chain; that is packets coming into an interface from an external connection.
[18:03] <Pici> TJ-: man uses your $PAGER, which is less by default.
[18:04] <Thisguy_> How about I put what i want in words XD I want to block all input except what I need to go on the web.
[18:04] <rjune> I'm trying to preseed an Ubuntu installation I have "d-i tasksel/first multiselect standard, edubuntu-desktop" But the installation is not installing the edubuntu-desktop
[18:04] <TJ-> Pici: I know, but I misread the implication of the question initially and thought the problem was the man page output scrolling past too fast
[18:04] <Pici> TJ-: ah
[18:05] <llutz> Thisguy_: you don't need to allow  anything in INPUT to access irc/web
[18:05] <Thisguy_> When I tell INPUT to drop everything, I cannot use either.
[18:05] <deffrag> TJ-: No, plain command to fetch particular flag description
[18:05] <deffrag> I remember reading it somewhere, it was probably using awk or something, not able to remember
[18:05] <TJ-> deffrag: I'm not aware there is one, that's why man uses a pager that has regexp search abilities
[18:06] <Thisguy_> Again, perhaps I'm accidentally telling it not to accept loopback input?
[18:06] <TJ-> deffrag: You could use grep -A x -B y .... of course
[18:06] <mbeierl> Thisguy_, you need to allow estisting connections to be accepted in input.  This must come before the drop: iptables -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED, ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
[18:06] <TJ-> Thisguy_: What you want is a rule to allow existing ESTABLISHED, RELATED connections
[18:07] <deffrag> TJ-: Yes, what is $PAGER in man?
[18:07] <Thisguy_> Oooohhhhhh, that makes sense.
[18:07]  * TJ- laughs... like that ^^^^^^^^^^
[18:07] <Thisguy_> XD
[18:07]  * mbeierl nods
[18:07] <llutz> Thisguy_: http://gr8idea.info/os/tutorials/security/iptables1.html
[18:07]  * TJ- pats mbeierl  on the back ... saved me some typing!
[18:07] <Thisguy_> No spaces though...
[18:07] <Thisguy_> ;)
[18:07]  * mbeierl smiles gratefully
[18:08] <Thisguy_> Hah! I'm still Internetting!
[18:08] <Thisguy_> Thanks y'all!
[18:08] <trijntje> After an update, windows is missing from the grub menu. What can I do to fix this?
[18:08] <TJ-> I guess the guy on a connection from FW1 ought to know that off the top of his head :p
[18:08] <Thisguy_> *saves iptables*
[18:08] <mbeierl> Thisguy_, team effort.  You win!
[18:12] <Thisguy_> Let's restart to see if I fixed it to start automatically :D
[18:12] <Thisguy_> Thanks again
[18:17] <hashem> I'm trying to update to shotwell 13. I added the ppa:yorba/ppa, and ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, but nothing happened and I still have 12.3. I
[18:18] <Cong> maybe it's not in the repo, hasham.
[18:19] <machicola> off a typical ubuntu install (running 11.10) would I have kernel headers installed/available by default?
[18:19] <machicola> off of*
[18:19] <hashem> Cong, it lists it on launchpad though: https://launchpad.net/~yorba/+archive/ppa
[18:19] <Cong> hasham, have you checked the repoes?
[18:20] <hashem> Cong, how do I do that?
[18:20] <Cong> try package.ubuntu.com
[18:20] <Cong> http://package.ubuntu.com
[18:20] <dr_willis_> machicola:  i dont think so
[18:21] <dr_willis_> !headers
[18:23] <machicola> nice, thanks dr_willis
[18:23] <hashem> Cong, in the packages.ubuntu.com in the precise updates repo there is shotwell 12.3. I added the ppa for yorba, which has shotwell 13. Shouldn't that override the precise updates repo?
[18:24] <Cong> I think. Download the source and compile it yourself.
[18:24] <TJ-> hashem: "apt-cache policy shotwell" will tell you what versions will/are installed, and where they'll come from
[18:25] <ActionParsnip> hashem: yes, if there is a later version available from any source, it will be used
[18:25] <xangua> hashem: you should read the site you paste:
[18:26] <xangua>  shotwell                        18 hours             ago
[18:26] <xangua>           Waiting to build
[18:26] <miraj> yes, not having been built yet might be a problem
[18:26] <hashem> Ah thanks xangua. I assumed if it was listed on that page it was already built.
[18:27] <hashem> Thanks for the help, all.
[18:27] <Guest56675> Hey guys!
[18:27] <miraj> what's a "Max SendQ"?
[18:27] <Bossdos> New user with ubuntu!
[18:28] <Bossdos> Can some help me, i moved from mint to ubuntu, installed side by side with windows
[18:28] <Bossdos> had 120 GB with mint so chose 10 GB with ubuntu thinking i could just use my mint drives
[18:28] <Bossdos> i cant find it
[18:29] <Bossdos> downloaded a partion program
[18:29] <Bossdos> what file system does ubuntu use?
[18:29] <escott> Bossdos, you want to use the mint $HOME?
[18:29] <Bossdos> Hi escott!
[18:29] <miraj> Boosdos : what filesystem were you using with Mint?
[18:29] <Bossdos> I just deleted everything
[18:29] <xibalba> hey folks, anyone have a way i can tell how many GHZ I'm actually getting inside of a linux box that's a virtual machine"?
[18:29] <Bossdos> just want the space for programming and file storage 10GB isnt enough
[18:30] <Bossdos> Hi miraj, i was using ext2
[18:30] <miraj> Bossdos : how did you "delete everything"?
[18:31] <escott> xibalba, the GHZ don't change, performance will be lower because of some overhead and because you don't allocate all cpus to the vm
[18:31] <Bossdos> miraj: I used a windows, during the installation (Vista) i had the option to delete
[18:31] <escott> Bossdos, ext4 is standard for ubuntu these days. unclear what you did "i just deleted everything" doesn't mean much to me
[18:32] <Bossdos> escott: I used a windows, during the installation (Vista) i had the option to delete
[18:32] <miraj> Bossdos : do you mean the Vista install program deleted the entire Mint partition?
[18:33] <Bossdos> miraj: Yeah, the HD size is 750 MB allocated 500 to Vista, the rest was Mint and just deleted it
[18:33] <crizis> i'm quite confident you cannot install vista to 500 MB
[18:33] <crizis> :)
[18:33] <PatrickC> vista????
[18:33] <Bossdos> crizis: Sorry i ment GB
[18:34] <PatrickC> who in their right mind wants to install vista?! :P
[18:34] <miraj> Bossdos : that means there is no more Mint drive for ubuntu to use. You've need to use some re-partitioning software to make Vista give back some space
[18:34] <crizis> PatrickC, someone who needs windows and happens to have license for it?
[18:34] <Bossdos> I am using GParted now trying to change the file system
[18:34] <Bossdos> so that it will show in my home folder
[18:34] <codeMonkey> Hello all.  I am trying to complete a full, uncompressed backup of my / directory to an external hard disk (preserving permissions and ownership) in Ubuntu 12.04.  The hard disk is /dev/sdd with a single ext3 partition.  I have /dev/sdd1 mounted to /mnt/external.  The command that I am using to complete this is "tar cvf - * | ( cd /mnt/external; tar xfp -)
[18:35] <codeMonkey> The problem I am running into is that the tar command is also hitting /mnt which hits /mnt/external and loops the backup of itself.
[18:35] <Bossdos> miraj: ubuntu can see my second HD
[18:35] <escott> codeMonkey, any reason you dont want to use rsync
[18:35] <PatrickC> crizis: i guess that might work..
[18:35] <PatrickC> but i would rather run xp over vista myself
[18:35] <codeMonkey> I have tried to use --exclude=/mnt with and without quotes and with and without wildcards and it never excludes properly
[18:35] <hashem> codeMonkey, just use dd
[18:35] <codeMonkey> Mostly because I have not been suggested rsync before.  Would it do a better job?
[18:36] <llutz> codeMonkey: --one-file-system   is what you want
[18:36] <escott> codeMonkey, rsync would be easier, and would be resumable
[18:36] <codeMonkey> I am under the impression was not viable for backups like I am doing.  Is that incorrect?
[18:36] <escott> codeMonkey, you cannot use dd to backup a mounted filesystem
[18:36] <miraj> Bossdos : if Vista has taken all the disk space on SDA for itself, there just is nothing left for ubuntu
[18:36] <codeMonkey> Thats what I thought
[18:37] <codeMonkey> OK.  I will go read man rsync and give it a shot.  also, --one-file-system would alleviate this with tar? Just in case?
[18:38] <llutz> codeMonkey: you don't want to backup /dev, /sys /mnt etc.pp. so tar --one-file-system   or rsync -x    should be used
[18:38] <Bossdos> miraj: The total space is 750 GB, 500 GB - Vista , 10 -GB Ubuntu , however i cant get ubuntu to see the rest of the space no what format i partion it to :(
[18:38] <escott> codeMonkey, you are also not preserving permissions with your current tar command.
[18:38] <miraj> Bossdos : what do you have for partitions?
[18:39] <Bossdos> miraj: would it be okay if i PM'd you?
[18:39] <miraj> no
[18:39] <escott> codeMonkey, you want something like: "rsync -xp / /mnt/external/snapshots/YYYYMMDD"
[18:39] <codeMonkey> Ok.  So to sum up, I need to use rsync with -x to exclude the specified directories as well as w/e command I read up on shortly to copy permission.  Will do thanks :)
[18:39] <codeMonkey> I will give it a shot thanks escott :)
[18:40] <llutz> codeMonkey: "man rsync"  -x doesn't exclude dirs, it limits operation to ONE FILESYSTEM
[18:40] <codeMonkey> Ok Im heading for man rsync now :)
[18:40] <escott> codeMonkey, and the second time around you can specify --link-dest=/mnt/external/snapshots/YYYYMMDD to save space with files that dont change
[18:40] <codeMonkey> thanks everyone
[18:42] <Koen_> anyone knows what might be the problem if i can access vsftpd from lan and not from wan, i tested it with my firewall temperaly disabled and had no result
[18:43] <miraj> Koen_ : some ISP's block incoming connections because they don't want their users running any kind of servers
[18:43] <llutz> Koen_: "sudo lsof -i :21"  are you sure it listens on all interfaces, not localhost only?
[18:43] <m3pow> guys is there any ubuntu software to watch online tv channels for free
[18:44] <Koen_> i've allready changed the listenport to 2121 because my isp block all below 1024, but with no result
[18:44] <llutz> Koen_: "sudo lsof -i :2121"  are you sure it listens on all interfaces, not localhost only?
[18:44] <Koen_> @ llutz, just runned the command and had no feedback
[18:44] <miraj> Koen_ : I know my ISP blocks the ports above 1024 too
[18:45] <CTLwm> Koen_: Have you confirmed that the port is open and visible with the service running?
[18:45] <mmoebius> Koen_: use tcpdump or wireshark to see if there are any packets incoming from the source ip at all
[18:46] <llutz> Koen_: no output? means no service listening on that port at all or you're using (x)inetd or something like that
[18:46] <CTLwm> Koen_: I would recommend you to test it out with canyouseeme.org and post results of ur port
[18:46] <mmoebius> Koen_: and use 'iptables -nvL ' to see if ther rules really are gone and every policy is "ACCEPT"
[18:47] <CTLwm> mmoebius: I guess the new ubuntu version has ufw instead of iptables; not sure though
[18:48] <llutz> isn't ufw just a frontend for iptables?
[18:48] <jpds> llutz: Yes.
[18:48] <Koen_> 'iptables -nvL ' gives me following result iptables v1.4.12: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)
[18:48] <Koen_> Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
[18:49] <Koen_> so that means i'm not running iptables right?
[18:49] <mmoebius> CTLwm: ufw is an iptables frontend.
[18:49] <mmoebius> Koen_: you are running iptables if using *buntu
[18:50] <mmoebius> Koen_: Did you execute that as root ?
[18:50] <mmoebius> Koen_: because that is required, so 'sudo ...' should do the trick
[18:50] <Koen_> yes, i'm running server version of ubuntu 12.04
[18:50] <Koen_> i disabled firewall now i think
[18:51] <mmoebius> Koen_: btw, FTP servers of any kind seem to be an invitation to hackers ;-) Did you ever consider sftp ?
[18:51] <Koen_> still get connection refussed by server
[18:51] <hadron> ports: why is port 80 open by default?
[18:52] <mmoebius> Koen_:  do you see the packet coming in with tcpdump or wireshark ?
[18:52] <crizis> everything is open by default
[18:52] <Koen_> don't know how to setup sftp, and can't find a descent tutoral
[18:52] <crizis> why it would not be
[18:53] <hadron> crizis, on 10.04 I didn't have any open ports!
[18:54] <crizis> hadron, you sure did as 10.04 didn't have firewall on by default either
[18:54] <Cong> it has a firewall on but all the ports are open
[18:56] <Cong> which is the equivalent as not having one
[18:56] <leaftwig> How do I stop the smooth scrolling? I want nonanalog looking instascrolling.  I use Firefox & Ubuntu 12.04
[18:56] <leaftwig> Especially the Unity part of 12.04
[18:57] <miraj> leaftwig : I think the scrolling style is one of those barely-documented mozilla settings
[18:58] <leaftwig> To the #firefox mirajman :D
[18:58] <hadron> crizis, firewall? ufw?
[18:58] <hadron> i turned it on!
[18:58] <leaftwig> & tyvm :I
[18:58] <hadron> so did I on 12.04
[18:58] <crizis> hadron, yes, but it's off by default
[18:59] <crizis> hadron, also installing packages which use the ports add ufw rules automatically, like installing apache opens 80
[18:59] <hadron> crizis, I did a port scan on a freshly installed 12,04 after activating ufw & 80 was open!!!
[19:00] <crizis> hadron, check 'ufw status' for which ports are open by default
[19:00] <ElixirVitae> Netsplit inbound, ei?
[19:01] <ElixirVitae> or is it going to be down for all services?
[19:01] <timtim> ciao a tutti
[19:01] <timtim> !list
[19:01] <hadron> crizis, status: active
[19:02] <crizis> hadron, status also lists open ports, likely common ones are open by default
[19:02] <hadron> none
[19:02] <hadron> just this line
[19:03] <hadron> crizis, status verbose > active, on (low), deny (incoming), allow (outgoing), new profiles: skipe
[19:03] <hadron> *skip
[19:05] <crizis> hadron, well, then it's on and working
[19:06] <crizis> hadron, however you have 'deny' on which means firewall will inform the source that packet has been rejected, whereas 'reject' completely drops packet
[19:06] <hadron> crizis, I remember very well that when on 10.04 I dida port scan & got all stealth! (do you think its an ISP thing?)
[19:07] <crizis> no, it's on and working
[19:07] <crizis> if you start service in some port, you cannot connect to it, that's for sure
[19:07] <crizis> that port scan is so windows 95
[19:07] <crizis> :)
[19:08] <hadron> crizis, its GRC's shieldsUP: https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2
[19:08] <crizis> hadron, 'ufw default reject in' changes to reject instead of deny
[19:08] <Bossdos> ubuntu, is simply amazing! Way better than windows and the user interface is better than linux mint!
[19:08] <crizis> still that pot scanning is useless
[19:09] <hadron> crizis, isn't deny better given that no response to the "service", which could be a ping, scan or attack, than giving a feedback?
[19:10] <tryingUbuntu> is there an alternate for sound other than alsa?  I have a newer Hp with 4 speakers and the sound is REALLY bad!
[19:10] <crizis> irrelevant which is it
[19:10] <hadron> crizis, besides, why is ufw off by default?
[19:10] <crizis> why it should be on
[19:10] <crizis> there are no services installed by default
[19:11] <hadron> if its not on why would be there in  the first place?
[19:11] <crizis> admins job to configure it
[19:11] <crizis> do you have some point here?
[19:11] <hadron> & the regular user falls prey?
[19:11] <Bossdos> tryingUbuntu, by really bad you mean low sound?
[19:12] <tryingUbuntu> Bossdos yes and quality
[19:12] <hadron> the un-knowledgeable
[19:12] <Bossdos> tryingUbuntu, have you been the Ubuntu Audio Development Team page?
[19:12] <tryingUbuntu> Bossdos its not the speakers, dual boot windoze and they work fine
[19:12] <hadron> QUERY [-nofocus] crizis
[19:12] <shomon> hi - I've got a fujitsu stylistic here I want to get ubuntu on.. is it possible?
[19:13] <crizis> hadron, #ubuntu-offtopic for offtopic talk
[19:13] <shomon> it's an st5112 I think
[19:13] <tryingUbuntu> Bossdos no idea that it existed.  Is there troubleshooting or what should I look for at their site?
[19:14] <Bossdos> tryingUbuntu, you are using ALSA right? I just found them myself (still new to ubuntu)
[19:14] <hadron> crizis, thanks anyways :)
[19:15] <PatrickC> would probably be better to ask in here... got a question about partitioning, anyone available?
[19:15] <hadron> PatrickC, exactly what?
[19:15] <PatrickC> making a new partition on my HDD for ubuntu to live on
[19:15] <PatrickC> just resized windows 7, now i have unallocated space
[19:15] <hadron> aha
[19:15] <PatrickC> should i turn it into a partition or leave it unallocated?
[19:16] <RichardRaseley_> What is the best way to share files in an all Ubuntu environment (combination of desktop and server)?
[19:16] <hadron> PatrickC, just a min
[19:16] <PatrickC> kk
[19:16] <Eric___> Having problem with software Center, when I open it all I get is a blank screen.
[19:16] <sysop> So I have been having issues with my wired ethernet
[19:17] <sysop> adaptors
[19:17] <sysop> and now I just did a fresh install of ubuntu and I am getting consistant redirects to go.timedirect.ru
[19:18] <hadron> PatrickC, http://opensource-sidh.blogspot.com/2012/04/ubuntu-1204-installationdual-boot-with.html
[19:18] <hadron> PatrickC, go to step 3
[19:18] <PatrickC> hadron: i'm installing ubuntu minimalistic
[19:18] <PatrickC> so no GUI like that
[19:19] <hadron> using a cd?
[19:19] <PatrickC> yeah
[19:19] <hadron> where did u get it from? link?
[19:19] <rafael> hy everyone
[19:19] <rafael> i need help
[19:20] <PatrickC> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso and http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[19:20] <Guest92091> i have a token certified.. on the tokenadmin its works, but in java program no.
[19:20] <Guest83511> nevermind just changed from opendns to google... has something to do with thier dns servers
[19:20] <_XMENDES> i have a token certified.. on the tokenadmin its works, but in java program no.
[19:20] <PatrickC> it's a net installer hadron
[19:20] <_XMENDES> token type card readr
[19:21] <hadron> PatrickC, ah; fo ra notebook? or installs it from the net? hehe
[19:21] <rgenito_> hai
[19:21] <hadron> I use the regular .iso & the gui is there
[19:21] <PatrickC> installs from the net ;)
[19:21] <hadron> never used the netboot!
[19:21] <RichardRaseley> Any input on the best method to share files in a pure Ubuntu (mix of Desktop and Server) environment?
[19:21] <PatrickC> it's basically the same as a normal installer, just doesn't have bloatware in it ;)
[19:21] <hadron> I suggest u do it with the regular iso instead or use a usb!
[19:21] <PatrickC> installs only what you need
[19:22] <PatrickC> either way, would i format the unallocated space or leave it alone?
[19:22] <gordonjcp> PatrickC: if it's unallocated, you can't format it
[19:22] <PatrickC> well, not format
[19:22] <PatrickC> partition
[19:22] <genii-around> RichardRaseley: nfs
[19:22] <gordonjcp> PatrickC: oh, yeah, you might as well
[19:22] <hadron> you need to creat a partition out of it then format it to ext4
[19:23] <PatrickC> create it as a primary partition or an extended partition?
[19:23] <RichardRaseley> genii-around: Thank you.
[19:23] <_XMENDES> anyone?
[19:23] <hadron> PatrickC, how many other partition uve got?
[19:23] <PatrickC> one
[19:23] <PatrickC> just this one and windows 7
[19:24] <hadron> PatrickC, well u can have up to 4 primary partitions; its up to u
[19:24] <PatrickC> what's the differences?
[19:24] <_XMENDES> need help
[19:24] <hadron> not sure about that! but i know u can create an extended with more than 4 logical paritions under it
[19:24] <wilee-nilee> _XMENDES, The channel requests you ask a question related to your problem.
[19:24] <kodak> Hello all
[19:25] <MonkeyDust> _XMENDES  start with a question, if you want help
[19:25] <kodak> first off, bravo on the installer, very smooth and smart looking (this is my way of saying "fresh install")
[19:25] <Koen_> btw, guys, ive resently used SSD card to install linux on, but when i try to format it in windows trough installation process, i can't access the drive anymore, anyone an idea howto format drive in ubuntu to make it accessible again?
[19:25] <hadron> PatrickC, for example, my system: 4 partitions: 1 factory utilities, 1 Diagnostics, 1 Windows, 1 Extended (another win partition, & 4 linux partitions)
[19:25] <_XMENDES> ok .. i  have a token certified.. on the program token admin.. it works.
[19:26] <_XMENDES> but on my java certified its dont work
[19:26] <MonkeyDust> _XMENDES  in 1 line please
[19:26] <kodak> Hows does one, A, get latest nvidia drivers and, B, make sure SLI is on(it isnt now, one core card is hot, the other cold)
[19:26] <hadron> I suggest you make an primary partition if its only 1 partition; otherwise make an extended if u plan to divide ur linux partition
[19:26] <_XMENDES> ok .. i  have a token certified.. on the program token admin.. it works. but on my java certified its dont work
[19:26] <cromag> Koen_: an idea could be formatting it from ubuntu with ntfs system on it
[19:26] <hadron> PatrickC, https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/
[19:26] <PatrickC> na, no dividing
[19:26] <Koen_> thx cromag, gonna try it
[19:27] <cromag> read about mkfs.ntfs i think it's called
[19:27] <hadron> PatrickC, what partitions do u plan on?
[19:27] <PatrickC> primary ubuntu and windows 7
[19:27] <PatrickC> was thinking about moving /home to a separate partition, but not gonna
[19:28] <wilee-nilee> Koen_, Is there an unallocated space for windows to see? If you make a NTFS in ubuntu for the install put a bootflag on that partition
[19:28] <_XMENDES> nothing?
[19:28] <hadron> PatrickC, I suggest: Extended partition under which there is at least / & /home (that's better if ur / failed or ur doing a fresh isntall; u dont format the /home & u keep ur data 7 preferences)
[19:28] <gordonjcp> _XMENDES: #java maybe?
[19:29] <_XMENDES> i gonna try there.. tks
[19:29] <PatrickC> hmm.. ok
[19:29] <hadron> PatrickC, Ubuntu Installation Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/amd64/index.html | Recommended Partitioning: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/amd64/apcs03.html
[19:29] <marko-_-> Hello today i woke up and my fan was loud as hell. The temperature is normal, everything's working fine just my fan is going crazy. I have an asus k52j laptop and i was just wondering is there a way to make the fan work quieter automaticly? I'm not doing hard stuff on it, so don't worry my temperature will go way up
[19:29] <_XMENDES> only guests on #java :(
[19:30] <hadron> PatrickC, a good guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=282018
[19:34] <hadron> PatrickC, btw, am not sure what's the difference between the netboot & the alternative disk, but the alternative disk gives u more options & a non-graphical installer
[19:36] <jpds> hadron: The netboot one is suppose to download packages from the net.
[19:37] <hadron> jpds, like the ones to be installed? or the installed to be run?
[19:37] <jpds> hadron: Installed.
[19:37] <jpds> hadron: The netbook also features the non-graphical installer.
[19:37] <someprimetime> what permissions should js files have on a server?
[19:38] <jpds> someprimetime: Nothing special?
[19:38] <someprimetime> jpds: so chmod -R 755 js/ would be fine?
[19:39] <hadron> PatrickC, jpds says: The netbook also features the non-graphical installer.
[19:39] <jpds> someprimetime: Why would you want them to be exectuable?
[19:39] <RichardRaseley> When logging into Ubuntu server, I see notices that show "X Packages Can Be Updated" but doing an apt-get update doesn't seem to change this number... what gives?
[19:40] <Pici> RichardRaseley: use apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:40] <jpds> RichardRaseley: Do an upgrade instead.
[19:40] <Pici> RichardRaseley: er, rather what jpds  said
[19:40] <jpds> RichardRaseley: Instead of just 'update'ing the package indexes.
[19:40] <RichardRaseley> Pici & jpds: Thank you
[19:40] <someprimetime> jpds: so chmod -R 644 js/
[19:40] <jpds> someprimetime: Probably, though maybe: js/*
[19:40] <someprimetime> jpds: good call
[19:40] <someprimetime> thx
[19:41] <epinky> could anyone give a hand with RADIUSproxy?
[19:41] <PatrickC> ok, now time to do the partition
[19:41] <kevin1961> Hi, I am using evolution can anybody tell me how to make new categories, all I get is "On this Computer" and personal. How do I access the long list that is available ?
[19:45] <kevin1961> ok of to see youtube
[19:45] <hadron> I'm busy
[19:45] <rgenito_> grr,  i think i'm just going to put debian on this laptop...hopefully that'll fix the issue with my faulty wireless driver. =\ or at least i think that's the problem
[19:45] <mcb_> I made a disk image from a server to an external driver. O reinstaled grub in the external drive, changed the UUIDs in /etc/fstab  and in /boot/grub/grub.cfg. I more then double checked this and they are all right. I use this same method with Debian 6 and works to perfection. In Ubuntu, Grub loads OK, but it hangs just after, with no erro message, just the blinking cursor in the left upper conner of the screen. I can see that external drive led blink two,
[19:46] <DarthExpeditor> My swap is only 255mb, is there a way to expand it without screwing everything up?
[19:47] <jrib> !swap | DarthExpeditor
[19:47] <jrib> DarthExpeditor: you could use a swap file
[19:47] <jrib> DarthExpeditor: but ram is pretty cheap nowadays...
[19:47] <rob_> hi, is it possible to boot from the ubuntu livecd but use the rootfs from an encrypted harddisk?
[19:48] <kodak> How does one turn on SLI in ubuntu?
[19:48] <wilee-nilee> mcb_, Does reinstalling grub include putting it in the mbr, and booting from that drive?
[19:48] <DarthExpeditor> I have 4gb of memory in this system
[19:48] <jpds> epinky: → #ubuntu-server
[19:49] <DarthExpeditor> should I just ignore the complaint?
[19:49] <jrib> DarthExpeditor: what complaint?
[19:49] <epinky> jpds: sir, yes sir!
[19:49] <jpds> DarthExpeditor: Add another swap partition/file?
[19:49] <jpds> DarthExpeditor: What complaint?
[19:49] <DarthExpeditor> The system is running great but Nagios keeps throwing an alarm because my swap is at 100%
[19:50] <miraj> did the server transfer finish yet?
[19:50] <jpds> DarthExpeditor: OK, so create a new swap partition/file or resize some partition to make space.
[19:50] <jpds> DarthExpeditor: Or find out what's swapping so much and stop it.
[19:51] <mcb_> wilee-nilee: sure thing. I reinstalled grub in the external drive in the MBR of that drive, the partition is bootable, and the erro happens as i try to boot from it.
[19:51] <DarthExpeditor> I'm hesitant to try to resize any partitions because I am using wubi
[19:52] <DarthExpeditor> I can just create another swap file?
[19:52] <jpds> DarthExpeditor: You have Nagios monitoring a system that running on Wubi?
[19:52] <DarthExpeditor> Not exactly
[19:52] <PatrickC> base system is installing :D
[19:52] <wilee-nilee> mcb_, Sorry for the double question you had actually answered that in your first post.
[19:52]  * jrib is now curious
[19:52] <DarthExpeditor> I am practicing installing Nagios and working with it on my workstation that runs wubi
[19:53] <drecute> hi mentors
[19:53] <marko-_-> Hello today i woke up and my fan was loud as hell. The temperature is normal, everything's working fine just my fan is going crazy. I have an asus k52j laptop and i was just wondering is there a way to make the fan work quieter automaticly? I'm not doing hard stuff on it, so don't worry my temperature will go way up
[19:53] <MonkeyDust> wubi :(
[19:53] <DarthExpeditor> I am also trying to figure out if I can get away with not running windows at all on my workstation
[19:53] <jpds> DarthExpeditor: Typically, I would use virtual machines instead.
[19:53] <DarthExpeditor> Yeah
[19:53] <DarthExpeditor> And the deploy version will be on our Proxmox server
[19:53] <mcb_> wilee-nilee: Grub loads ok. If i look at the grub command with the "e" option, it is pointing to the right UUID.
[19:54] <DarthExpeditor> I'm just learning its quirks and how to work with it on here.
[19:54] <kodak> would sudo nvidia-xconfig --sli=AFR activate my SLI or screw with my X server?
[19:54] <drecute> Please I'm writing a startup script for JIRA and I'll like to get a review on the LSB aspect. http://codepad.org/RwqOLOFL
[19:54] <DarthExpeditor> I have yet to need my Windows OS since I installed wubi
[19:54] <wilee-nilee> mcb_, Is this a clone of the original or a custom cd install made from it?
[19:54] <DarthExpeditor> My boss was insisting that I would need Windows
[19:54] <DarthExpeditor> I have proven otherwise
[19:54] <mcb_> wilee-nilee: Clone.
[19:55] <mcb_> wilee-nilee: Same everything, just in another disk.
[19:55] <LazyTown> please help, 911,  just tried to enable mpm_worker mod on my ubuntu server and now its not serving php,  guys in apache room would rather give me shit about need reading close enough then to help me fix it.. what do I do?  It send my php unparsed as a file download.
[19:56] <wilee-nilee> mcb_, Sounds like you know what you are doing, not sure why it would not run from the info so far, maybe a bad clone?
[19:56] <drecute> please I need LSB help on this startup script: http://codepad.org/RwqOLOFL
[19:57] <mcb_> wilee-nilee: I made it more than four times.... Same result. And i tested in the same server, and in other machines to rules out Hardware issues. As i said, I use this method with Debian 6, Grub 2, machine and works all time. This problem is only happening with Ubuntu.
[19:59] <mcb_> wilee-nilee: I also tryed to do update-initramfs and grub-update after the grub install.... Same problem.
[19:59] <wilee-nilee> mcb_, Are you chrooting the mbr install and running a update-grub after tweaking /etc/default/grub?
[19:59] <kodak> How do i enable sli without using xorg.conf(isnt it outdated?)
[19:59] <mcb_> wilee-nilee: Sure.
[19:59] <MonkeyDust> LazyTown  there's also the channel #ubuntu-server
[20:00] <LazyTown> thank you MonkeyDust!
[20:00] <wilee-nilee> mcb_, Not sure myself, I clone often but install on the same HD using clonezilla. Shouldn't be a driver problem I would think with a server.
[20:00] <leaftwig> How do I find out what wifi driver my Ubuntu uses?  You have my gratitude for reading this & contributing to the community.
[20:00] <kodak> How do i enable SLI without using xorg.conf(isnt it outdated?)
[20:01] <kodak> oops, double post, sorry
[20:01] <marko-_-> Hello today i woke up and my fan was loud as hell. The temperature is normal, everything's working fine just my fan is going crazy. I have an asus k52j laptop and i was just wondering is there a way to make the fan work quieter automaticly? I'm not doing hard stuff on it, so don't worry my temperature will go way up
[20:01] <miraj> leaftwig : "lspci"
[20:01] <kevin1961> jajaja lots of helps and no replies :-)
[20:01] <theadmin> kodak: xorg.conf is not "outdated", it's just not there by default. If you need it for something, you can very well create it and it will be used upon next start of X
[20:02] <mcb_> wilee-nilee: If it was a driver problem, i should expect and "Module XXXX not loaded" erro message.
[20:02] <leaftwig> y thank u miraj :D
[20:02] <kodak> ah, so, erm, im still lost on how to get sli working though theadmin
[20:02] <mcb_> wilee-nilee: I will also try some help in #ubuntu-server...
[20:03] <theadmin> kodak: Well, I can't really help you on that (just saying things that I thought might help, sorry, I don't even know what a "SLI" is)
[20:04] <kodak> theadmin, thanks then :) (sli is a nvidia setting to use two cards)
[20:05] <theadmin> kodak: Oh that, uhh, you might want to use Jockey to get the propretiary NVidia drivers (it's called "Additional Drivers" in the menus) and then use their config tool
[20:05] <PatrickC> nows when i have no clue what to do.. :P
[20:05] <PatrickC> what kernel should i install?
[20:05] <PatrickC> generic?
[20:06] <hadron> what are the options? Im tryin gto help but now sure about it
[20:06] <kodak> thanks theadmin
[20:06] <PatrickC> tons of options hadron
[20:06] <PatrickC> linux0generic, linux-server, linux-generic-pae, then different images
[20:07] <hadron> PatrickC, I guess it linux-generic-pae
[20:07] <MrBushido>  is there anything like netlimiter for linux? it's a taskmanager like app that breaks down bandwidth usage by process and allows you to limit each processes max bandwidth
[20:07] <gordonjcp> hadron: What exactly are you trying to do?
[20:07] <MrBushido>                    http://www.netlimiter.com/img/scrshots/nl2shot_limit.png
[20:07] <theadmin> PatrickC: linux-generic-pae is probably your best choice
[20:07] <PatrickC> whats the difference between -pae and non?
[20:07] <gordonjcp> -pae allows you to use PAE
[20:07] <hadron> gordonjcp, me? nothing, tryint to help PatrickC
[20:07] <PatrickC> gotcha
[20:08] <gordonjcp> hadron: ah, okay ;-)
[20:08] <gordonjcp> PatrickC: What exactly are you trying to do?
[20:08] <PatrickC> gordonjcp: doing a minimalistic install
[20:09] <gordonjcp> PatrickC: get the mini iso and have at it
[20:09] <PatrickC> that's what i did
[20:09] <gordonjcp> PatrickC: that's about as minimal as you can go, without getting seriously off into the weeds
[20:09] <PatrickC> never done a setup like this though
[20:09] <PatrickC> so it's all new to me ;)
[20:10] <drcode> hi all
[20:10] <drcode> any one know how can I know cpu temp?
[20:11] <hadron> drcode, install acpi & run acpi 0t
[20:11] <hadron> acpi -t
[20:11] <drcode> thanx
[20:11] <hadron> welcome
[20:12] <wilee-nilee> drcode, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[20:12] <diablotin> hello guys
[20:13] <drcode> thanks
[20:13] <diablotin> Does anyone knows about hostapd ??
[20:13] <kodak> when editing xorg.conf, is it enough to just reboot X, or do i need to reboot computer?
[20:14] <miraj> kodak : just restart X
[20:14] <kodak> thanks miraj
[20:14] <MonkeyDust> !info hostapd
[20:14] <gordonjcp> diablotin: a tiny bit
[20:14] <Oimel1987> I have two HDDs in my Notebook. How can i install the partitions so that the core system is on HDD 1 and the userdata and installed programs on HDD2 ?
[20:14] <diablotin> I compile it and I have a problem with the authentification
[20:15] <diablotin> I can attach a device (my cell phone) without wpa
[20:15] <miraj> Oimel1987 : partition it, create a filesystem on it, and add it to your fstab
[20:15] <diablotin> and as soon as I set wpa to protocol 1 or 2 i can't attach my phone
[20:15] <diablotin> could you help me gordonjcp ?
[20:16] <Oimel1987> miraj: i want to make a fresh ubuntu install on it
[20:16] <diablotin> here is the error message I get "deauthenticated due to local deauth request"
[20:16] <diablotin> any clue ?
[20:17] <miraj> Oimel1987 : from what you said you wanted to do, you'd do the fresh ubuntu install on SDA, then setup drive SDB and add it to your fstab file
[20:20] <Oimel1987> miraj: isn't it possible over the partition table of the installer ?
[20:20] <HeadlessZombie> my 16GB flashdrive has reached its max writes. about to install to new flash drive.  What i have: 4GB flash drive and an 8GB flash drive. The 4GB is newer and has more writes available. what install / partition scheme should I use If i wanted to use both drives to get the most storage space?
[20:21] <vacho_> hey guys
[20:21] <vacho_> how do I create root user from terminal?
[20:21] <miraj> HeadlessZombie : a 4gb system drive is scarcely enough
[20:21] <HeadlessZombie> adduser
[20:21] <diablotin> vacho_: add the new user to the admin group
[20:21] <guntbert_> vacho_: you don't need one
[20:22] <vacho_> I don't need one?
[20:22] <guntbert_> !root | vacho_
[20:22] <HeadlessZombie> you have 1 already
[20:22] <vacho_> ok.
[20:22] <vacho_> basically I want to create a user that has full priviligies..how do I do it?
[20:22] <PatrickC> dang this setup takes a LONG time
[20:22] <HeadlessZombie> sudo sudo dolphin
[20:22] <HeadlessZombie> you dont
[20:22] <PatrickC> sudo rm -rf /
[20:22] <HeadlessZombie> dont do that. this isnt windows.
[20:22] <PatrickC> lol
[20:22] <guntbert_> HeadlessZombie: stop giving bad advice please
[20:23] <chop> vacho_: sudo passwd
[20:23] <theadmin> !danger | HeadlessZombie, PatrickC
[20:23] <gordonjcp> chop: don't suggest that people do that
[20:23] <gordonjcp> vacho_: don't set a root password
[20:23] <forkbomber> lol
[20:23] <guntbert_> vacho_: adduser has an otion to create a "system" user, try that
[20:23] <guntbert_> *option
[20:24] <gordonjcp> vacho_: the whole idea of having a root login is utterly obsolete
[20:24] <chop> just because ubuntu decides it's not a good idea to do what all of unix did for 30 years does not mean it's right
[20:24] <guntbert_> chop: stop arguing *here*
[20:24] <chop> guntbert_: i did not argue.
[20:25] <lun4tic> hi does anyone know how to turn fullscreen mode on in torchlight or any humblebundle irc channel
[20:25] <lun4tic> ? :D
[20:25] <gordonjcp> chop: having a root password set was obsolete 20-odd years ago
[20:25] <gordonjcp> chop: it was a glaring misfeature in Linux from day one
[20:26] <lun4tic> the damn unity bar always stays on top in windowed mode
[20:26] <miraj> Yes, it's better when every script with  sudo command in it can take complete control of the system. More modern.
[20:26] <gordonjcp> miraj: how would that happen?
[20:27] <Cyberspaceloa> can't believe people are still arguing about this
[20:28] <gordonjcp> Cyberspaceloa: yeah.  The matter was settled in the early 1980s
[20:28] <gordonjcp> Cyberspaceloa: sudo replaces having a root login.  Anything else is atavism
[20:28] <oslinux_> When I watch a video on youtube with the html5 player why the other applications have no sound ?
[20:29] <crundar_> how do you set limit which users can delete files. That doesn't fit under the rwx rubric I'm thinking of. Do I have to use ACLs to manage that?
[20:29] <gordonjcp> crundar_: delete, but still be able to write?
[20:29] <dhanasekaran> Hi Guys Filter Out Duplicate IP Addresses in network it's any automated tool is there
[20:29] <gordonjcp> crundar_: there may be some extended attribute for that
[20:29] <crundar_> either?
[20:30] <crundar_> is delete normally treated as write as well?
[20:30] <gordonjcp> crundar_: if you make something read-only it cannot be deleted *or* written but it doesn't sound like that's what you want
[20:30] <Cyberspaceloa> crundar_ you'd want to utilize groups, I'd think
[20:30] <gordonjcp> crundar_: ACLs are a world of pain
[20:30] <TJ-> crundar_: You set the permissions on the *directory* that contains the files.
[20:30] <ditoa> just installed 12.04 in a VM
[20:30] <Cyberspaceloa> and only add the users you want to give permissions to into the appropriate group
[20:31] <ditoa> wow! linux has come a long way. looks amazing
[20:31] <gordonjcp> ditoa: since when? *All* OSes have come a long way...
[20:31] <crundar_> well, I want my whole group to be able to create, but no user able to delete anyone else's stuff. This is a shared directory
[20:31] <gordonjcp> well, Plan 9 hasn't really
[20:31] <i7c> gordonjcp: except some :p
[20:31] <ditoa> well ive not used linux since ~2004
[20:31] <rstrt> Afternoon, everyone. Can anyone tell me the command to add my windows 7 install from /dev/sdb to grub? The google results I get have a crazy amount of variance between links
[20:32] <crundar_> I'm trying to set up a shared media drive for the house
[20:32] <gordonjcp> crundar_: okay, so normal permissions and umask
[20:32] <Cyberspaceloa> well, I'm no professional admin or anything, crundar_
[20:32] <gordonjcp> ditoa: I'm not sure what you would be comparing it with, then
[20:32] <Cyberspaceloa> but to my thinking you can make the parent folder accessible globally
[20:32] <gordonjcp> ditoa: it hasn't really changed significantly
[20:32] <crundar_> me neither.
[20:32] <Cyberspaceloa> and then give each user their own folder with the proper permissions
[20:32] <ditoa> one question tho, how do i disable the animations in the WM?
[20:32] <gordonjcp> crundar_: so basically you can use umask to specify the "default" permissions of files created in a directory
[20:33] <guntbert_> gordonjcp: would the sticky bit help in crundar_'s case?
[20:33] <ditoa> well the whole interface is totally different to classic gnome i used back in 2004
[20:33] <gordonjcp> guntbert_: possibly
[20:33] <guntbert_> !ot | ditoa
[20:33] <gordonjcp> ditoa: yeah, Unity is fairly new
[20:33] <andreb> hi all
[20:33] <ditoa> is very nice
[20:33] <takyon29> I have wine and play on linux installed. But Team Fotress 2 keeps on on crashing during the loading screen. Any idea how to fix it?
[20:34] <gordonjcp> takyon29: probably best to ask in #wine
[20:34] <ditoa> i think i could quite easily replace windows with ubuntu providing all the hardware worked as it should
[20:34] <Cyberspaceloa> I think you'd need to find a wine/pol specific group, takyon29
[20:34] <gordonjcp> takyon29: possibly #winehq, can't remember
[20:34] <gordonjcp> ditoa: depends what you're trying to do
[20:35] <Cyberspaceloa> crundar_ did your question get answered?
[20:35] <ditoa> just as a simple end user; web, office, music, movies, iplayer, some light python work
[20:35] <takyon29> okay thanks. i'll ask that server.
[20:35] <crundar_> Cyberspaceloa: Well I'm investigating umask. I didn't know that it affected a particular directory. I just thought it affected the given proccess it was set for
[20:36] <rstrt> Anyone know how to add Win7 to grub? (Treat me like a complete idiot lol)
[20:36] <gordonjcp> ditoa: pretty much; it's really good for general software dev stuff too
[20:36] <andreb> i tired last weekend to upgrade from 10.04 LTS to 12.04 LTS ..via the online update and even by the alternate disk.. and both ways it failed... how can i clean my apt-get so i will be able to install programs.. cuz right now any time i try to install anything via apt get it keeps asaking me for teh cd
[20:36] <ActionParsnip> rstrt: try:  sudo update-grub
[20:36] <takyon29> #wine seems to be an invite only channel
[20:36] <crundar_> Cyberspaceloa: so I didn't think, unless i set the default umask for the other users, that it would work. but maybe. tl;dr. no, not yet.
[20:36] <guntbert_> crundar_: not sure if you got my suggestion of using the sticky bit on the directoy
[20:36] <jrib> !wine | takyon29
[20:36] <ditoa> i really like how unity works, a lot nicer than using windows 8
[20:37] <gordonjcp> andreb: try editing /etc/apt/sources.list and removing all the lines that reference the CD?
[20:37] <Cyberspaceloa> crundar_ can you describe exactly what you're trying to do? A shared folder, correct?
[20:37] <gordonjcp> ditoa: probably best to take the discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:37] <ActionParsnip> andreb: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list     comment out the top 3 lines which reference the CD, save the new file, close get and run:  sudo apt-get update
[20:37] <rstrt> ActionParsnip; Once I update it, how can I verify that there it does actually see windows?
[20:37] <ditoa> gordonjcp, ok
[20:37] <crundar_> Cyberspaceloa: yeah. like a shared media drive. I want everyone in the group to be able to drop off movies and stuff, but not delete anyone elses
[20:37] <crundar_> I've got the room
[20:38] <ActionParsnip> rstrt: you will see Windows in the output of the command if it's picked up
[20:38] <andreb> k
[20:38] <rstrt> It didn't pick up the windows install
[20:38] <Cyberspaceloa> crundar_ what I would do is give each user a single folder in which they could write
[20:38] <TJ-> crundar_: You just need to set the sticky bit on the parent directory "chmod +t </some/dir>"
[20:38] <Cyberspaceloa> also, give global r_x access to every folder
[20:39] <TJ-> crundar_: That ensures that only the *owner* can do deletions
[20:39] <Cyberspaceloa> everyone can read anyone's folder, but they can only write to their own
[20:39] <andreb> thanks
[20:39] <rstrt> Is there a way to manually specify the drive in the Grub loader menu?
[20:39] <crundar_> ah. awesome.
[20:39] <rstrt> I feel pretty stupid that I'm having this much trouble lol
[20:40] <crundar_> well thanks for that, and maybe I'll do different dirs, and give group read access there for all of them
[20:40] <crundar_> thanks
[20:40] <TJ-> rstrt: Which partition on /dev/sdb is Windows installed in?
[20:41] <rstrt> /dev/sda1
[20:41] <rstrt> wait no
[20:41] <rstrt> /dev/sdb1
[20:41] <TJ-> rstrt: What does this report? "sudo blkid /dev/sdb1"
[20:41] <ActionParsnip> rstrt: gksudo gedit /etc/grub.d/40_custom      and use this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/110698/add-windows-to-my-boot-menu
[20:42] <rstrt> @TJ- /dev/sdb1: UUID="1EAC253DAC251137" TYPE="ntfs"
[20:42] <ActionParsnip> rstrt: you'll need to change:  set root=(hd0,2)   to set root=(hd1,0)   as it is on sdb1
[20:42] <LennyKitty> whats the restricted drivers application called?
[20:42] <TJ-> rstrt: That's good. See if it can be detected: "sudo os-prober"
[20:42] <TJ-> LennyKitty: jockey  I think you mean?
[20:43] <LennyKitty> yes ty TJ-
[20:43] <rstrt> TJ- That command does not seem to output anything.
[20:44] <TJ-> rstrt: ahh, yes, silly me :p
[20:47] <rstrt> Alright, I'm going to try that. Thanks for your help guys
[20:48] <paws> i want to find a file that in the file contains a specific word
[20:48] <paws> for example i am looking up a .php file with a word 'mainpage' how can i find that file
[20:48] <TJ-> paws: "grep 'word' /path/to/dir/*.php"
[20:49] <TJ-> paws: if you want to search sub-directories do, use the "-r" option: "grep -r 'word' /path/to/dir/*.php"
[20:49] <TJ-> paws: and if you want to know which line it is one, add the "-n" option
[20:50] <paws> ok thanx a lot TJ-
[20:51] <cameron__> just makin sure im in the right spot. this is for ubuntu help right?  not tryin to be in the ubuntu server help
[20:51] <wtaz> wtaz
[20:51] <wtaz> exit
[20:51] <cameron__> -list
[20:52] <cameron__> bleh  its been so long since ive been on an irc server..i forget the commands /facepalm
[20:52] <gerbilcabbagehai> any guide I can look up to create .sh files? I want to run a series of commands on my ubuntu server
[20:53] <black_> I have a ProBox 4 bay external housing, ubuntu 12.04 wont show the drives, all the drive does is spool, wind down, repeat any thoughts?
[20:53] <gerbilcabbagehai> !.sh
[20:54] <TJ-> black_: What kind of interface is it on?
[20:55] <black_> USB and eSATA
[20:55] <rtconner> is there any way to set a default owner of new files. like a user named joe uploads a file, but the owner would be www-data by default?
[20:55] <TJ-> black_: but which are you using to connect it to the PC?
[20:55] <black_> USB
[20:56] <black_> eSATA card isnt picked up
[20:56] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: i'd recommend using bash instead (unless you want the scripts to be portable)
[20:56] <gerbilcabbagehai> zykotick9: <curious> can you explain why?
[20:56] <TJ-> black_: OK, then usb_storage should see it. If you use eSata, you'll need to ensure the acpiphp (ACPI PCI Hot-Plug) driver is loaded first
[20:56] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: bash is easier/more powerful/better gnu/linux supported
[20:57] <gerbilcabbagehai> !bash
[20:57] <TJ-> black_: I have external SATAs too; I've added "acpiphp" to the "/etc/modules" file to ensure the drives are detected when they're connected
[20:57] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: using sh is more limited... perhaps a better reply.
[20:58] <TJ-> black_: to load the module manually "sudo modprobe acpiphp" and *then* connect the drive bay
[20:59] <gerbilcabbagehai> zykotick9: case in point? http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_lts0010.php
[21:00] <Chris123> hey guys, I just installed ubuntu and cant find my wlan network, I installed drivers for my wlan-usb stick using ndiswrapper and the windows wireless driver software sees that the stick is plugged in but I cant find my network
[21:00] <Chris123> can anybody help me please?
[21:00] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: not sure what you mean by your link?  for 90+% sh and bash will be identical.
[21:01] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: terminal != shell
[21:01] <ActionParsnip> Chris123: which wifi chip?
[21:01] <gerbilcabbagehai> zykotick9: I was agreeing with you after "maning" up on bash and sh. That link said bash is "better" :)
[21:01] <zma> I've faced a situation after running Grub Customizer that my boot menu has 48 entries. Even running update-grub2 doesn't fix it. I don't have so many kernel versions. How to restore old menu without backup?
[21:02] <Chris123> It?s a Fritz stick
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> zma: uninstall the old kernels
[21:02] <zma> ActionParsnip: I don't have so many old kernels
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> Chris123: no, we need the chip, the thing inside. Intel? Atheros? Broadcom?
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> zma: dpkg -l | grep linux-image    will show the installed kernels
[21:03] <deadmund> ActionParsnip: :)
[21:03] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: where can I get information about it? (note: I?m on windows atm)
[21:03] <zma> ActionParsnip: I have couple of different Ubuntu versions installed. For example partition sda11 has just freshly made install and I have never logged in. Still Grub menu shows 9 entries for it.
[21:03] <ActionParsnip> Chris123: you can use:   sudo lshw -C network; lsusb   in Ubuntu. You have reached for ndiswrapper when it may not be needed in any way.
[21:04] <Basic> zma the easiest way to uninstall all of those kernels is a tool called Ubuntu-tweak
[21:04] <ActionParsnip> zma: let me search
[21:04] <zma> Basic: Does pristine 10.04.4 install give you 4 different kernels before first log in?
[21:04] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: On the ubuntu wiki it says that ndiswrapper is the only way
[21:04]  * zykotick9 believe's zma issue is not NUMBER of kenrnels but due to "Grub Customizer" (whatever that is)
[21:04] <PatrickC> ok, truexfan81, you there?
[21:04] <PatrickC> need some help
[21:04] <ActionParsnip> zykotick9: likely
[21:05] <PatrickC> stupid minimistalic install is borked it seems
[21:05] <leigh> does ubuntu allow you to update to the new version without removal and restall of the whole?
[21:05] <ActionParsnip> Chris123: find out the chip, or the 8 character hex id of the device and we can search
[21:05] <Basic> zma i don't know i never use pristine
[21:05] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: Texas Instruments TNETW1450 is the chip
[21:05] <PatrickC> or someone who has minimalistic install experience
[21:05] <PatrickC> it won't let me boot, says i need to switch to the kernel
[21:05] <ActionParsnip> leigh: yes, you can upgrade LTS to LTS
[21:05] <zykotick9> leigh: yes, but i'd recommend "fresh" installs myself.
[21:06] <leigh> thanks to both
[21:06] <PatrickC> just finished a minimalistic install, and now i can't get it t finish booting
[21:06] <PatrickC> i'm at grub
[21:06] <Basic> zma most linux systems give you two kenels before log in
[21:06] <PatrickC> not sure how to get it to boot the kernel
[21:07] <ActionParsnip> Chris123: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/acx100/index.php?title=ACX
[21:07] <_XMENDES> how i give acess root to a folder? or a file ?
[21:07] <gerbilcabbagehai> where do i find the windows configurator?
[21:07] <gerbilcabbagehai> in gui
[21:07] <ActionParsnip> Chris123: http://wiki.debian.org/acx
[21:07] <zma> Basic: Right now I'm on sda10 running 12.04. It has 4 kernels installed, and GRUB2 menu shows 8 entries
[21:08] <tuxmatt> hey all
[21:08] <improovizator> hey
[21:08] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: thank you, I will read through it and try it, if it doesnt work ill come back
[21:08] <ActionParsnip> Chris123: if you boot to ubuntu and run:  sudo modprobe ndiswrapper    does it load ok and work?
[21:08] <black_> tj- FATAL: Error inserting acpiphp (/lib/modules/3.5.0-10-generic/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/acpiphp.ko): No such device
[21:08] <_XMENDES> i using ubuntu 10.10 .. trying acess a .so file with a reader card. but "permission denied" message appears
[21:09] <ActionParsnip> black_: thats a 3rd party kernel, not supported here
[21:09] <zykotick9> !10.10 | _XMENDES
[21:09] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: maverick is EOL, not supported and no more updates
[21:09] <black_>  where do i get it?
[21:09] <tuxmatt> im running pear linux at the moment
[21:09] <_XMENDES> i know.. this station is old
[21:09] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: I will switch to ubuntu and try it right now!
[21:09] <zykotick9> _XMENDES: if you want support here, update or fresh install to a supported version
[21:09] <_XMENDES> dont support any newer
[21:09] <tuxmatt> any one having problems w=:)
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: have you tried Xubuntu 12.04?
[21:10] <zykotick9> _XMENDES: using an EOL release is bad karma, and thus not supported here.
[21:10] <_XMENDES> my station is older.. sorry about that.
[21:10] <Basic>  zma synaptic package manager should show all kernels on remove the earliest  kernels versions
[21:10] <_XMENDES> action .. yes.. tried for 3 months..
[21:10] <improovizator> How connection in Russian IRC canal?
[21:10] <TJ-> black_: You're running 3.5 kernel?
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> tuxmatt: pear linux isn't supported here, this is Ubuntu support
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> !ru  | improovizator
[21:10] <_XMENDES> but the V card.. dont works :)
[21:10] <tuxmatt> yea i know man but i came to help people with ubuntu
[21:10] <black_> Linux blackness 3.5.0-10-generic #10-Ubuntu SMP Mon Aug 13 16:23:53 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> black_: if you are running  a 3rd party kernel you will need to contact the kernel packager
[21:10] <zykotick9> !nomodeset | _XMENDES: did you try this?
[21:11] <_XMENDES> my station only works with 10.10 .. (nvidia 96 running)
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> tuxmatt: thats fine, and very welcomed :)
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: its a dead release, the OS will run but there are zero updates and zero support in any of the ubuntu channels
[21:11] <_XMENDES> but its not problem now.. my problem is a CCID card.
[21:11] <zykotick9> _XMENDES: oh, 96 driver.  that COULD be an issue.  best of luck.  you might want to consider another distro, if ubuntu doesn't work-out.  'cause using 10.10 is NOT a good idea.
[21:11] <gerbilcabbagehai> Where do I find the windows configurator on 12.04 live cd?
[21:11] <tuxmatt> yea i did not come in here to ask ? about pear :)
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: again, not supported
[21:11] <PatrickC> anyone on a minimalistic install?
[21:12] <zma> Basic: I want my old kernel versions to stay there, but want any other duplicates to stay. I know I have several OS installed and the real number of menu entries should be around 15-16. But I have 48 after running Grub Customizer application.
[21:12] <_XMENDES> eheheheh
[21:12] <ActionParsnip> PatrickC: I use minimal install
[21:12] <ki7rw> i'm unable to change the language in 12.04 despite following instructions at http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/17528/change-the-user-interface-language-in-ubuntu/
[21:12] <PatrickC> ActionParsnip: how do i get it to boot from the grub> command prompt?
[21:12] <ActionParsnip> zma: I suggest you contact the customiser app maker than
[21:12] <PatrickC> i've loaded the initrd and the kernel
[21:12] <_XMENDES> my only problem now is the reader .. ccid reader for smartcards
[21:12] <zykotick9> PatrickC: you have a grub issue.
[21:12] <zykotick9> PatrickC: i'd recommend reinstalling grub from live media.
[21:12] <PatrickC> zykotick9: on a brand new install?
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: your release isn't supported. I keep telling you
[21:13] <Basic> zma are you multi booting 15-16 Linux operating systems
[21:13] <zma> ActionParsnip: Well, maybe for reporting bug. I just want to know if there is some way to generate new GRUB2 menu from scratch, like first deleting something manually and then running update-grub2 command
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> Basic: some 3rd party thing has bothed the config
[21:13] <tuxmatt> ActionParsnip,  how long have you been in here
[21:13] <zma> Basic: No, I have 5 Linuxes and one Windows
[21:13] <_XMENDES> look the error log.
[21:13] <_XMENDES> javax.persistence.PersistenceException: org.hibernate.exception.GenericJDBCException: could not get or update next value
[21:13] <_XMENDES> 	at org.hibernate.ejb.AbstractEntityManagerImpl.throwPersistenceException(AbstractEntityManagerImpl.java:630)
[21:13] <_XMENDES> 	at org.hibernate.ejb.AbstractEntityManagerImpl.merge(AbstractEntityManagerImpl.java:237)
[21:13] <_XMENDES> 	at br.gov.sp.fazenda.dsge.model.dao.DSGEBaseDAO.update(DSGEBaseDAO.java:78)
[21:13] <_XMENDES> 	at br.gov.sp.fazenda.dsen.model.business.PropriedadeBusiness.alterarPropriedade(PropriedadeBusiness.java:34)
[21:13] <FloodBot1> _XMENDES: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:13] <PatrickC> !nopaste
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> tuxmatt: bit less than an hour
[21:13] <ki7rw> i want to change the interface to spanish but spanish is greyed out
[21:14] <PatrickC> !paste _XMENDES
[21:14] <zykotick9> zma: other then the "Grub Customizer" that i have 0 idea what it changed.  just running "sudo update-grub" does create a new file by default!
[21:14] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw: something i can try to help you with?
[21:14] <tuxmatt> ActionParsnip,  was it this full when you come in here
[21:14] <PatrickC> ugh...
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> zma: what were you using the customiser to achieve exactly?
[21:14] <black_> any other ideas TJ- ?
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> black_: contact the kernel maintainer, or (easier) use the official kernel for Precise.
[21:14] <_XMENDES> first line on error log: javax.persistence.PersistenceException: org.hibernate.exception.GenericJDBCException: could not get or update next value
[21:14] <ki7rw> gerbilcabbageh: i'm unable to change the language in 12.04 despite following instructions at http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/17528/change-the-user-interface-language-in-ubuntu/
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: you aren't supported here
[21:14] <ki7rw> i want to change the interface to spanish but spanish is greyed out
[21:15] <TJ-> black_: you have some kind of custom kernel and configuration that is breaking expected behaviour
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: its like calling microsoft support and asking for help with Windows 96
[21:15] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw: what version ubuntu have you?
[21:15] <ki7rw> 12.04
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: they won't support you
[21:15] <zykotick9> !es | ki7rw: personally, i'd ask here.
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: your release is DEAD
[21:15] <zma> zykotick9: Grub Customizer ended up modifying /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober_proxy file. update-grub2 works based on that file, so it's not creating from scratch but based on modified conf files.
[21:15] <zykotick9> zma: right.  so i can't help you.  good luck.
[21:15] <tuxmatt> ActionParsnip, yea but we shoud hep people with diff linux he may run a diff linux kernerl but we are still family here
[21:16] <ki7rw> ubottu: i don't speak spanish - my wife does though
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> tuxmatt: we can only support the packages from the repos here
[21:16] <ki7rw> oops
[21:16] <HeadlessZombie> i think ubuntu-offtopic would be more appropriate
[21:16] <_XMENDES> 10.10 is better for me man.. give a chance.. pls
[21:16] <tuxmatt> ActionParsnip,  yea i know but if someone is having a software problem they shoud get support
[21:16] <zma> ActionParsnip: My original use case was just to try Grub Customizer to rename some entries. I wasn't careful for having backup of conf files or anything :(
[21:16] <ki7rw> HeadlessZombie: who are you talking to?
[21:16] <HeadlessZombie> support for older Ubuntu
[21:16] <zykotick9> tuxmatt: only repository software is supported in #ubuntu channel.
[21:17] <black_> brb reboot
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> zma: I don't have /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober_proxy    have you tried moving it to $HOME to see if the isuue goes?
[21:17] <usr13> tuxmatt: Help for an EOL system is to upgrade.
[21:17] <ki7rw> 12.04 is the latest isn't it?
[21:17] <black_> i have the default kernal...i found a guide im try real fast
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> ki7rw: latest stable, yes
[21:18] <tuxmatt> zykotick9,  like a software problem becouse ubuntu is bassed of debian and linuxmint is based off debian why cant we help people in that cal
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> !ops | _XMENDES I told you, you wouldn't listen
[21:18] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw: for now it is yes :)
[21:18] <zykotick9> ActionParsnip: re:zma (assuming an ubuntu package) i'd think purging "grub customizer" COULD/MIGHT do a world of good?
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> zykotick9: likely, not sure what file sit puts where
[21:18] <rob_p> ki7rw: If it's greyed out, that probably means you need to install that language pack.
[21:19] <ki7rw> rob_p: a bunch of packages were installed for spanish
[21:19] <zykotick9> ActionParsnip: i'd believe zma, that G-C modifies the scripts grub2 uses to "update-grub"... world of hurt IMO
[21:19] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw: have you moved the spanish to the top of the list? or do you want to do something else?
[21:19] <ki7rw> gerbilcabbagehai: it's greyed out so i can't do that
[21:20] <rob_p> ki7rw: System Settings --> Language Support --> Install/Remove Languages
[21:20] <tuxmatt> any one need help
[21:21] <rob_p> ki7rw: After that, select the language you want to install...
[21:21] <ki7rw> rob_p: already did that
[21:21] <zykotick9> tuxmatt: you don't have to ask.  just wait for an issue you are interested in to be asked by someone.
[21:21] <ki7rw> language is still greyed out
[21:22] <NcA> hey all,
[21:22] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw: you have to click and drag it to the top
[21:22] <NcA> any reccommendations for a parallel ssh client on Ubuntu?
[21:23] <NcA> need to run commands on 5+ servers simultaneously
[21:23] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw:  you can do so, even if it is greyed out
[21:23] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: sudo modprobe ndiswrapper gives me nothing, in the Windows Wireless Drivers GUI however it says that the hardware is plugged in and ready to use
[21:23] <MonkeyDust> NcA  better ask in #ubuntu-server
[21:23] <NcA> MonkeyDust: thx, I'll give it a shot
[21:24] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw: working for you?
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> Chris123: read the guides. Seems to have a native driver
[21:25] <Basic> ki7rw there a tool called bleach bit will clear all that spanish for you
[21:25] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: Alright I will read it now
[21:25] <rob_p> ki7rw: Strange... perhaps you need to refresh your session (logout/login)... dunno...
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> ki7rw: try localepurge too
[21:26] <HazemShaf3y> Hello.
[21:27] <gerbilcabbagehai> its greyed out on mine too, if you only click on it, it will stay grey. if you move it to the top of the list above english it will become black (active)
[21:28] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw: let me know if this works for you.
[21:28] <HazemShaf3y> WHo do I talk to about an issue?
[21:28] <gerbilcabbagehai> just ask HazemShaf3y
[21:28] <black_> welp that failed
[21:29] <HazemShaf3y> Okay. I've just installed Ubuntu 12.04 LTS about an hour ago, I'm dual booting along with Windows 7 64 bit. I'm using HP DV6 Laptop, which has the AMD Catalyst Switchable Graphics thing, so everytime I use Ubuntu, it automatically chooses the High Graphics card, which drains battery in minutes. Is there anyway I could set Ubuntu to use only low graphics card, since I won't need the High Graphics card mode for gaming on Ubuntu.
[21:31] <_XMENDES> how i install sun java??
[21:31] <_XMENDES> not oracle java.
[21:31] <lnxslck> _XMENDES, OPENJDK ?
[21:31] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: oracle bought sun
[21:31] <_XMENDES> sun java web starts
[21:32] <_XMENDES> i search on web.. this program only use sun java.
[21:32] <_XMENDES> not oracle
[21:32] <gerbilcabbagehai> archive?
[21:33] <_XMENDES> Sun JAva (tm) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture dependet files)
[21:33] <_XMENDES> how install?
[21:33] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: java = java. Oracle bought up Sun. Unless you are wanting an earlier version of java, just use oracles.
[21:34] <L3top> Oracle bought sun java _XMENDES. Oracle java IS Sun java.
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: in Maverick you won't be able to install much
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: nor is your release supported here
[21:36] <leaftwig> Thank you please how do I make out which driver runs my wifi?
[21:36] <_XMENDES> i tryng make works a program of fiscal notes...
[21:36] <_XMENDES> i dont wanna use windows anymore..
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: your release is EOL, so is offtopic. What part of this are you not getting?
[21:37] <_XMENDES> eol?
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> !eol | _XMENDES
[21:37] <_XMENDES> whats eol man?
[21:38] <_XMENDES> tks.. will search there..
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: maverick is dead, literally zero support anywhere, anytime
[21:38] <patr|ck> what am i missing (with ubuntu-restricted-extras being installed) when some *.avi files wont play?
[21:38] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: is there any reason why you arent upgrading to 12.04?
[21:39] <melkor> how do I disable 'tap to click' on the touch pad?
[21:39] <_XMENDES> action.. i told you man... i tried 12.04 for 3 months.. my old station not work with this..
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> melkor: mouse settings maybe
[21:39] <melkor> ActionParsnip: no options there for the touchpad.
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: doesnt make maverick supported
[21:39] <_XMENDES> i use on this pc .. a vcard nvidia mx4400
[21:39] <_XMENDES> ehhehehe
[21:39] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: is there some help we can give you to make 12.04 work for you?
[21:40] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: I wrote you a pm because I ran into trouble, trying to follow the manual you gave me.
[21:40] <_XMENDES> i tried install nvidia card on 12.04
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> melkor: what is the output of: lsb_release -sc     please
[21:40] <_XMENDES> but is not supported too
[21:40] <L3top> 1004 still has support for now _XMENDES
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> Chris123: i don't support in PM
[21:40] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: so it's a graphical issue that is stopping you from upgrading?
[21:40] <_XMENDES> yé.
[21:40] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: Ok I will copy it here wait a second
[21:41] <_XMENDES> :D
[21:41] <melkor> ActionParsnip: No LSB modules are available.
[21:41] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: Because I dont have an internet connection on ubuntu I downloaded the dkms and git packages in order to install them on ubuntu. However Im unsure how to deal with steps 2 and 3 under "Driver" from the link you gave me (http://wiki.debian.org/acx). I guess I need an internet connection to do this but I dont have an ethernet cable or the like.
[21:41] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: Do you know why it isn't working? you said you used it for 3 months. what changed?
[21:42] <_XMENDES> i use with Vcard off..
[21:42] <_XMENDES> compiz not works ..
[21:42] <gerbilcabbagehai> what card do you want to have?
[21:42] <usr13> _XMENDES: So don't use compiz
[21:43] <_XMENDES> but my problem now .. is with a java program... not with the OS
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> melkor: grep -i code /etc/lsb-release      what is output please?
[21:43] <ClientAlive> I wonder if anyone has had success running osx as a vm on ubuntu, on a pc, using vmware... ? pm me or something.
[21:43] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: it is indeed with the os. and with the release. if you don't upgrade you will struggle to get help AND struggle to get things installed.
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> ClientAlive: i'd ask in #vbox
[21:44] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: I encourage you to find a way to upgrade, or change something that you are doing so that it works for you
[21:44] <melkor> DISTRIB_CODENAME=precise
[21:44] <melkor> ActionParsnip:
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> melkor: http://askubuntu.com/questions/161420/disabling-one-finger-tap-to-click-but-keep-two-finger-tap-ubuntu-12-04
[21:44] <usr13> _XMENDES: See:   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> melkor: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1457053
[21:45] <ClientAlive> ActionParsnip: I'll give it a shot. I use vmware tho, so maybe #vmware - idk
[21:45] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: is there something with the process of changing thinking so that you can upgrade that i could help you with?
[21:46] <_XMENDES> im trying some new here.. wait ;)
[21:46] <xibalba> how do i specify a single threaded app run on a specific processor?
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> ClientAlive: sure
[21:47] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: maybe there is an alternative to what you are trying to achieve? A different tool for the same result e.g. if compiz doesn't work for you, learn to do without or use a different tool. :)
[21:47] <usr13> _XMENDES: If you look at  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases  you see that you have some choices.  10.04, 11.10 & 12.04
[21:47] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: Any advice?
[21:47] <xibalba> nevermind it loaded it to the 2nd proc automatically
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: try Lubuntu 12.04 and I bet you are fine
[21:47] <_XMENDES> look.. ive trying install this..
[21:47] <_XMENDES> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 072f:90cc Advanced Card Systems, Ltd ACR38 SmartCard Read
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> Chris123: there is a native driver, those pages are all I know
[21:48] <_XMENDES> that is my problem :(
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: so is running maverick which moots it
[21:48] <usr13> _XMENDES: I would suggest trying the Alternate CD (12.04)
[21:48] <jrib> xibalba: use taskset
[21:48] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: in the future to help you get along with this community and get the support you need, try to only install the LTS versions of Ubuntu. In this case 10.04, 11.04, or 12.04.
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> gerbilcabbagehai: 11.04 isnt LTS
[21:49] <gerbilcabbagehai> sorry my mistake
[21:49] <_XMENDES> its all configured guys. :(
[21:49]  * ActionParsnip will be glad when Natty dies off
[21:49] <usr13> gerbilcabbagehai: LTS is a 2 year cycle.
[21:49] <melkor> xinput doesn't seem to find a touchpad
[21:49] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: By native driver do you mean the linux driver for the stick? Because this doesnt work anymore.
[21:50] <morgan> how do I do metacity --replace and then compiz --replace without breaking stuff D:
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> Chris123: its a native driver for the chip inside the stick, but yes
[21:51] <black_> i dont get it, i cant get this probox to work on linux.
[21:51] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: this is as far as I will help you. If you are willing to upgrade or change version, then we can help you further.
[21:51] <melkor> Is there a way to find out what hardware my computer thinks the touchpad is?
[21:51] <_XMENDES> ok... u ready sad this :)
[21:52] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: Yeap. :)
[21:53] <_XMENDES> reebot.. se ya
[21:54] <ActionParsnip> finally
[21:55]  * gerbilcabbagehai gives parsnip a carrot
[21:56] <melkor> I guess Ill work on it later, it appears that xinput isn't going to cut it, the prop isn't there.
[21:57] <melkor> synclient says no driver loaded so I don't think I have a driver for this touchpad and it is just treated as a mouse.
[21:58] <gerbilcabbagehai> my server room is cold. how do i get ssh working on this live cd (laptop) to my server (deks box) so i can go to a warmer room?
[21:58] <gerbilcabbagehai> *desk box
[22:00] <black_> install openssh
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> gerbilcabbagehai: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[22:02] <gerbilcabbagehai> i probably already have it on the server. installed with all options enabled. Now I just need to configure and remember how to log in
[22:03] <morgan> Hello, what is the correcty way to do metacity --replace, then run my playonlinux program, then when done, do compiz --replace ? everything seems to crash and I can't do compiz --replace
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> gerbilcabbagehai: ssh username@server
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> morgan: I've used a script for that
[22:04] <gerbilcabbagehai> just generated a public key. continuing.
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> gerbilcabbagehai: if its for the liveCD, using a key is a tad excessive don't you think?
[22:05] <black_> weird, in 10.04 probox 4 bay encosure works fine, 12.04 is dead
[22:06] <gerbilcabbagehai> ActionParsnip: sorry for the confusion, the server is a box, permanent installation. My laptop is the livecd and will be logging INTO my server via ssh.
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> black_: are there any bugs reported?
[22:06] <black_> none i can find
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> gerbilcabbagehai: ahhh I see
[22:06] <morgan> i guess the problem I'm having is the terminal is staying attached to the process??? and I'm not exiting the terminal correctly
[22:07] <ActionParsnip> black_: is it ok with other distos like Suse / Mandriva / Puppy?
[22:07] <black_> i wouldnt waste a CD on Suse, mandrake or puppy
[22:08] <black_> i dont even know if ubuntu 12.04 supports my eSATA cord.
[22:08] <black_> card*
[22:09] <gerbilcabbagehai> ActionParsnip: Ahaha! I'm amazing. I just hacked myself...oh wait.
[22:09] <imadam> Hello folks, for some reason ubuntu 12.04 wont detect my screen, is this an issue with my video card?
[22:09] <ActionParsnip> black_: then use USB....no wastage. Suprised you use CDs still
[22:10] <gerbilcabbagehai> imadam: what video card?
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> imadam: which video chip?
[22:10] <zykotick9> black_: fyi, my esata cable is NOT hot pluggable - meaning i have to reboot for it to appear (fyi it usually appears as sda, in my case).  A FEW motherboards support eSATA hotplugging, i get the impression most do not :(  best of luck.
[22:10] <imadam> Can't find the full name as I can't boot the system, although its a nvidia.
[22:11] <rhizmoe> if i have a symlink to a directory in my home directory, ~/foo -> /tmp/foo say, when I cd to ~/foo I'd like the path to be /tmp/foo rather than ~/foo, is there a way to cd into the destination of the symlink rather than pwd showing the symlink itself.
[22:11] <black_> my motherboard dont support prot multiplying
[22:11] <zykotick9> !nomodeset | imadam are you currently using this?
[22:11] <black_> so i cant use eSATA
[22:11] <imadam> any advice, was working like normal for a few days now my screen just wont detect.
[22:11] <ActionParsnip> imadam: try the boot option: nouveau.blacklist=1
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> imadam: did you install the nvidia proprietary driver?
[22:12] <zykotick9> imadam: nomodeset only applies for nvidia (and possibly ati) cards.
[22:12] <imadam> ActionParsnip nope I didn't,
[22:12] <imadam> ActionParsnip Just can't boot now, nothing will load on my screen.
[22:12] <morgan> mmmm nope that wasn't it lol
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> imadam: try the nouveau.blacklist=1 option
[22:13] <ActionParsnip> imadam: hold SHIFT at boot is a start
[22:13] <black_> ive even tried rebooting with USB and eSATA, still nothing
[22:13] <zykotick9> ActionParsnip: from a livecd?  isn't it press a key at the first opportunity?
[22:13] <imadam> ActionParsnip would it work if I just do a fresh install via cd then insall the driver?
[22:13] <ActionParsnip> zykotick9: i think both fly, not sure tbh
[22:14] <zykotick9> imadam: oh is it installed already?
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> imadam: sure but you already have the install. If you boot to root recovery mode you can just run:  sudo apt-get install nvidia-current      and it will install
[22:14] <zykotick9> imadam: if it's installed, use ActionParsnip "shift" at boot suggestion to edit grub (to test - it's only 1 time if you edit it that way)
[22:15] <imadam> zykotick9 ActionParsnip: Thanks guys, I believe I access my boot menu via DEL tho.
[22:15] <imadam> Will try this suggestion. Was just odd it stopped working.
[22:15] <zykotick9> imadam: it's not BIOS, but GRUB we want!
[22:15] <imadam> Oh got you!
[22:16] <imadam> Will try now and let you know how I get on. Thanks!
[22:16] <zykotick9> imadam: and it's HOLD shift after BIOS
[22:16] <black_> well 12.04 dont support my probox 4-bay
[22:16] <imadam> zykotick9 I'm not even getting BIOS at boot.
[22:16] <ki7rw> gerbilcabbagehai: i was able to move it to the top, apply systemwide, loged out/in but it didn't take
[22:16] <zykotick9> imadam: in that case, it's not an #ubuntu issue.  just sayin'
[22:17] <imadam> Was thinking that, it may be an issue with my videocard.
[22:17] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw: do you have admin privileges?
[22:17] <ki7rw> yes
[22:17] <morgan> what causes people to turn blue on youtube videos in chromium? wtf
[22:17] <zykotick9> imadam: if you computer isn't POSTING perhaps ##hardware could help?
[22:18] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw:   so you CAN change the language but it wont stay changed?
[22:18] <imadam> I'm going to try replacing my videocard with the one on my other system and see if that does the job. Wish me luck!
[22:18] <gerbilcabbagehai> imadam: see you soon :)
[22:18] <Guest50040> hey guys.. i get it..
[22:18] <imadam> Thanks guys.
[22:18] <Guest50040> got it.
[22:19] <zykotick9> ki7rw: aren't you the spanish issue?  why not ask in !ubuntu-es i'm sure they're more familiar with the process then #ubuntu.  or is the language not for you?
[22:19] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: got what good sir?
[22:19] <_XMENDES> got it. my problem was a database permission problem
[22:19] <ki7rw> gerbilcabbagehai: that's correct
[22:20] <gerbilcabbagehai> zykotick9: he can change the language but it wont stay changed. any ideas?
[22:20] <zykotick9> ki7rw: "wife does" ignore me.
[22:20] <ki7rw> zykotick9: i don't speak spanish
[22:20] <_XMENDES> a half our late i was here.. and now.. i got resolv my problem in ubuntu 10.10 eheheheheh
[22:20] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: no idea.
[22:20] <ki7rw> well, i speak some spanish
[22:20] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw: what profile are you changing the language under?
[22:21] <ki7rw> the wife's account
[22:21] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw: does she have admin privileges?
[22:21] <_XMENDES> ki7rw ... talk spanish with me.. and i translate if u want
[22:21] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: i doubt sudo would/should matter.
[22:21] <ki7rw> gerbilcabbagehai: she's sudo
[22:21] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: s/sudo/sudo access
[22:22] <bkerensa> !offtopic | _XMENDES
[22:22] <gerbilcabbagehai> i would physically try it myself, but i dont want to lose this livesession sorry
[22:22] <black_> why would probox external be supported on 10.10 but not on 12.04
[22:23] <gerbilcabbagehai> black_: something removed from the repo maybe?
[22:23] <zykotick9> ki7rw: the problem (as i see it).  possibly, you could change the entire system to spanish (which i don't think you want), or you need the setting to be user specific AND stay through restart ;)  best of luck man.
[22:24] <smj> how can I open a remote desktop via SSH in to a window?
[22:24] <gerbilcabbagehai> smj: ssh name@server
[22:25] <smj> gerbilcabbagehai: I mean X11 desktop in a window
[22:25] <gerbilcabbagehai> then start x I would think. i know how to do the terminal ssh, but the x11 is a new one for me
[22:25] <smj> remote Xfce4, in a window.
[22:25] <ki7rw> zykotick9: i had her seesion set up for spanish when i had mandriva installed but since mandriva doesn't have adequate support i changed all my pc's to ubuntu - anyway, it should have been a "slam-dunk" to set her up on ubuntu
[22:25] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: you don't run startx with ssh X forwarding!
[22:26] <gerbilcabbagehai> see?
[22:26] <gerbilcabbagehai> :D
[22:26] <zykotick9> ki7rw: sorry man, i've NEVER had to change my language from english (aka C) ;)
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> smj: what do you intend to do on the remote system?
[22:27] <Ironsight> If you want a remote x11 desktop over the network, check out vnc
[22:27] <ki7rw> ok, i'll keep "hacking" away until i get it working or break stuff
[22:28] <smj> ActionParsnip: nothing really, I'm just exploring
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> smj: gotcha, nothing bad there
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> !vnc | smj
[22:29] <smj> does that require extra server software on the server-side?
[22:29] <zykotick9> smj: fyi you need to use "ssh -X user@server" to use X forwarding, but that allows you to open a single application, not the entire destktop.  fyi, you can run/tunnel vnc over ssh somehow (don't ask me, i've never done it - remote desktop makes no sense to me, with Xforwarding being a possibility - YES sometime a gui app is handy remotely ;)
[22:30] <visitor000> i want to add some startup parameter to it to run forever
[22:30] <zykotick9> smj: also you ssh server must have X-forwarding enabled for above to work!
[22:31] <visitor000> the /etc/init.d/mysqld script is a linkt o /lib/init/upstart-job
[22:31] <smj> I have X-forwarding enabled, but I don't like the way it mixes with the local desktop environmetn
[22:31] <visitor000> wher is the actual script? i want to add some startup parameters; namely set LD_PRELOAD=
[22:31] <zykotick9> visitor000: good luck - you're going to need it.  hope you find an answer/solution.
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> smj: what's fun is running audio apps via ssh -X and then playing sound. The audio comes out of the server but the playback is controlled on the client
[22:32] <visitor000> zykotick9: i'm really used with debian so presumed it'd be there, that's why :)
[22:32] <visitor000> rykotick9: can you please tell in what script the actual mysqld start sequence is?
[22:32] <zykotick9> ActionParsnip: if anyone was ever sitting at your computer, imagine the fun of ssh+espeak ;)
[22:33] <gerbilcabbagehai> zykotick9: "Oi! YOU! noooo!"
[22:33] <gerbilcabbagehai> zykotick9: or "I don't think so Dave."
[22:34] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: "I don't think so Dave." awesome-sauce!
[22:34] <gerbilcabbagehai> !awesome-sauce
[22:35] <visitor000> zykotick9: suggestion? :)
[22:35] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: sorry, if you're unfamiliar - it means "nice/good/excellent"
[22:35] <zykotick9> visitor000: nope... good luck.
[22:35] <gerbilcabbagehai> zykotick9: I know. I was just curious if ubottu knew that. it seems she doesn't
[22:36] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: "she" nice!
[22:36] <gerbilcabbagehai> "she" who must be obeyed. Cough. sorry for offtopic.
[22:36] <zykotick9> !msgthebot > gerbilcabbagehai
[22:39] <gerbilcabbagehai> if im logged in via ssh, it is as if I were at the keyboard correct?
[22:40] <LarsN> I'm sorry if this is a dumb question, but is there a default keyboard shortcut to switch between the four virtual desktops in Unity?  And, where would I view the default shortcuts &/or make changes to them?
[22:40] <LarsN> which I guess is a series of potentially dumb questions.
[22:41] <AcE_punK> who can advice me a little about partition sizes I am gonna install over entire HDD?
[22:41] <gerbilcabbagehai> LarsN: the only dumb question is one that is not asked.
[22:41] <AcE_punK>  anybody up to Partitioning?
[22:41] <zykotick9> !anyone | AcE_punK
[22:41] <LarsN> gerbilcabbagehai: :)  that's right up there with my belief "You don't get, if you don't ask"
[22:42] <zykotick9> AcE_punK: don't reply to me!  i'm not ;)
[22:42] <AcE_punK>  zykotick9 : I'm not your type moron
[22:42] <dcs_> i'm migrating to a new machine and i want to use the dd function via network. can this be done while using my old machine without disrupting anything as i work?
[22:43] <zykotick9> AcE_punK: "moron" really?
[22:43] <gerbilcabbagehai> AcE_punK: nice way to ask for help...lol
[22:43] <LarsN> AcE_punK: I find the defaults to be acceptable for how I use the system.  ~ 50g for / 4-16g swap and the rest to /home
[22:43] <gerbilcabbagehai> LarsN: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/list-of-ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html
[22:43] <LarsN> AcE_punK: your requirements might require a different layout of course.
[22:43] <LarsN> gerbilcabbagehai: many thanks
[22:43] <HeadlessZombie> dcs_ no
[22:44] <LarsN> gerbilcabbagehai: this is my first time actually attempting to use Unity for more than a way to replace it. :)
[22:44] <gerbilcabbagehai> LarsN: also this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KeyboardShortcuts
[22:44] <LarsN> perfet
[22:44] <LarsN> perfect..
[22:44] <dcs_> HeadlessZombie: thanks for the short and to-the-point answer
[22:44] <odinsban1> Odd the alps touchpad bug seems to have been taken care of, but now it doesn't work. Maybe I have too new of a kernel?
[22:44] <AcE_punK> I'm gonna install a system with these paritions: /boot, /, /var, /tmp, /usr. But cannot consider sizes..I have 97 G of free space. thanks
[22:46] <gerbilcabbagehai> AcE_punK: for what reasons are you partitioning?
[22:46] <Nathandim> Have you considered to let them all in one place?
[22:46] <AcE_punK> and /swap of course, but swap and usr is not important
[22:46] <LarsN> AcE_punK: well, it strongly depends on what you're doing to do with the system.  if it's a database host you likely need a much larger /var than if its not.  /home is likely important if it's a desktop.  Kind of hard to answer without a complete picture.
[22:46] <Nathandim> ugh new updates that want restart
[22:48] <LarsN> AcE_punK: my system has 32g / -- 8g swap -- 1g /boot -- and the rest of the 96gb SSD in /home
[22:48] <LarsN> it's a general use laptop :/
[22:48] <AcE_punK> I'll install KDM afterwards..so /usr is important and I'll leave the rest of free space to it. But the more important part is root, var and temporary storage partitions..and I think 512 K is enough for boot. swap can be satisfied with 4G i guess(core i5 ) ..what do you think?
[22:51] <jack_> ciao
[22:52] <HeadlessZombie> ciaobella
[22:52] <AcE_punK> i heard giving boot more storage than it needs can be sluggish, moreover I've 23G /, 70 G /usr, 3.7 G /swap and 476M boot space in the current Quantal..I'm reinstalling system..I'll be using for mostly networking purposes and softwaer developing..so what do ya thnk?
[22:54] <gypsy_blood> idk honestly..im still working on the basics lol
[22:55] <AcE_punK> I'm stucked in the partitioning menu..cannot decide :|
[22:55] <gypsy_blood> are you dual booting?
[22:55] <visitor000> in mysql's default install on ubuntu, how do i add some startup parameters to mysqld??
[22:56] <AcE_punK> sth like it, I've 601G of NTFS partition
[22:57] <HeadlessZombie> http://content.hccfl.edu/pollock/aunix1/partitioning.htm
[22:57] <gerbilcabbagehai> visitor000: does this help? http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man1/mysqld_safe.1.html
[22:58] <usr13> AcE_punK: I think it is only important to have separate /home/   So, that would mean 3 partitions for Ubuntu, swap /home/ and /
[22:58] <usr13> AcE_punK: So you have 601G to use for Ubuntu?
[22:58] <gerbilcabbagehai> visitor000: you'll want to change the version to your setup of course
[22:59] <usr13> AcE_punK: If that is correct, I would suggest, 8G swap, 20G /  and the rest for /home/
[22:59] <AcE_punK> usr13: Nah. it's an external storage. I can use 97G of HDD for installation.
[23:00] <xibalba> .
[23:00] <usr13> AcE_punK: Ok:  8G for swap, 10G /  and rest for /home/
[23:00] <HeadlessZombie> depends on what you use the comp for. its very easy to exceed 20gb in "/"
[23:00] <usr13> AcE_punK: Ok:  8G for swap, 20G /  and rest for /home/
[23:00] <usr13> AcE_punK:    correction   ^^^^\
[23:00] <visitor000> gerbilcabbegehai: hm. is this really a recommended way of running mysql? for instance, how do i shut down mysql cleanly if having started it with mysql_safe?
[23:01] <AcE_punK> usr13: but if you have an experience in it, gimme advice in this layout: -boot, root, swap, var, tmp, usr(not important )
[23:01] <gerbilcabbagehai> visitor000: i dont know that sorry
[23:01] <HeadlessZombie> i use lampp or xampp
[23:01] <gerbilcabbagehai> visitor000: http://serverfault.com/questions/167497/restart-mysqld-with-a-command-line-parameter-on-ubuntu-10-04 ?
[23:01] <HeadlessZombie> lampp = linux apache mysql php & perl
[23:02] <usr13> AcE_punK: It's up to you.  I have given my advise:  8G swap,  20G /  &  the rest for /home/
[23:03] <AcE_punK> usr13: it's for random users, give me some insight of yours of my layout, please
[23:03] <usr13> AcE_punK: If you really want to separate more, you can, but in my opinion, that's all you need to do.  There is good reason to have /home/ on a separate partition, but the rest is ok to be lumped together.
[23:03] <usr13> AcE_punK:  This is the way I always do it.
[23:03] <usr13> AcE_punK: and in that order.
[23:04] <AcE_punK> usr13: how much should I give boot partition?
[23:05] <AcE_punK> usr13: I have 476M for now but i think it is useless..512 is OK, right?
[23:05] <ThePendulum1> Could anyone give me a hand setting up a connection over broadband using my phone?
[23:05] <AcE_punK> usr13: 512K
[23:06] <usr13> AcE_punK: Ok.  Alternative:  8G swap, 200M boot, 20G /   & the rest for /home/
[23:07] <HSaka> Hello, I'm haveing problem with getting stuck at partion, or when the installer starts. It's been stuck there for few hours.
[23:07] <usr13> AcE_punK: How's that?
[23:08] <AcE_punK> usr13: giving double size of Random access memory is no more recommended in core i series processors, I jave i5..and 4G of RAm..is 4G OK for swap space?
[23:08] <usr13> AcE_punK: Ok.  Alternative:  4G swap, 200M boot, 20G /   & the rest for /home/
[23:09] <AcE_punK> usr13: i mean i can give 8 G swap, but why would I waste it?..and why 200 M of boot? does it affect anything else than booting?
[23:10] <usr13> AcE_punK: It's up to you.  (But I like to give extra space.  for instance, 100M is enough for boot, I suggest 200M, 4M is enough for swap, I recommend 8M)
[23:10] <usr13> AcE_punK: The thing you really want is to leave as much as possible for /home/
[23:11] <nerg> hey, I just installed ubuntu 12 and am using gnome-shell (gnome3), and when I click my "applications" button the menu only shows 4 items at a time and makes me scroll to see everything else
[23:11] <usr13> AcE_punK: I stand by my original recommendation.
[23:11] <duhh> what command what i use to update the time?
[23:11] <nerg> the "places" button doesnt do this, does anyone know how I can fix this?
[23:11] <L1> I'm using gnome-classic with some compiz stuff enabled (wobbly windows etc). When I drag a window to the edge of the screen it "snaps" to that edge (drag to right edge of screen, it fills 50% of screen on the right). This is useful MOST of the time, but is there a hotkey I can hold while dragging to cancel the snap before I release my mouse?
[23:12] <AcE_punK> usr13: what else swap will be doing than hibernation? i don't hibernate that much..i got the point of /home partition, i'll leave the rest of the disk space..but i stil wonder how much should I leave for /var and /tmp separately?
[23:13] <usr13> AcE_punK: Do you really think you need separate partitions for /var and /tmp?
[23:13] <usr13> (I don't.)
[23:13] <usr13> AcE_punK: As for swap:  Do you know what MS Windows calls Virtual Memory?  (That is what swap does.)
[23:14] <smj> I got Xfce4 running on Xnest
[23:14] <usr13> AcE_punK: swap is not just for hibernation or sleep mode.  There is more to it than that.
[23:15] <AcE_punK> usr13: what else can it do?
[23:16] <jasc> I hoping s/one cane help me out. For some reason I'm only able to connect to the ubuntu irc (this one). All the others I've attempted to connect to fails.
[23:17] <L1> jasc: Other channels on Freenode? Or other netwrosk than freenode?
[23:18] <smj> Xnest is a bit slow
[23:18] <jasc> other networks on freenode i believe. Such as Debian...  which is first on the list
[23:19] <AcE_punK> usr13:  i think i must think a bit more about partitioning aftermath, since this will be my long term operating system..but i'll consider your 200M of boot space))
[23:19] <usr13> AcE_punK: swap is as the name implies, an area to swap files back and forth to and from.  Sort of like RAM but it is on the hard drive.  As you work on larg files, these large files may first be loaded into RAM but may be shifted to swap as you and your PC performs other tasks.  The OS makes these decisions in the background.
[23:19] <jrib> jasc: what exactly are you attempting to do, how exactly are you attempting to do it, and what exactly happens in the end?
[23:20] <L1> jasc: What happens, for example,  when you type in "/join #debian" (without the quotes)
[23:21] <usr13> AcE_punK: When there is need for geater speed, RAM is used, when speed is not so important, swap is used so that more of your RAM can be free for other tasks.
[23:21] <jasc> jrib: i click on one of those on the list, then I click connect. I noticed that all those others connect to port 6667 except for this one.
[23:22] <blackshirt> i think if some process need a lot of memory,
[23:22] <usr13> AcE_punK: See:  https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/8208-all-about-linux-swap-space/
[23:22] <jrib> jasc: what is "one of those on the list"
[23:23] <jasc> jrib: One of the networks, suck as 'Debian Serves' and '2600net'
[23:23] <AcE_punK> usr13: i'll check it up after, see you around
[23:23] <L1> OK so narrowed down my query: Compiz Grid plugin, the Edges feature. Is there a way to assign a keyboard shortcut that when held, will cause the Edge snap to not happen?
[23:23] <jrib> jasc: so do all the ones that fail not use port 6667?
[23:24] <usr13> AcE_punK: Better link:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[23:24] <usr13> AcE_punK: Ok
[23:25] <usr13> AcE_punK: My original recommendation still stands.
[23:25] <pizzadude> hey can anyone help me? my lifecam vx-2000 webcam isn't working in cheese anymore. it works in guvcview but it skips.
[23:25] <pizzadude> here is the post on askubuntu with the output http://askubuntu.com/questions/191146/microsoft-lifecam-vx-2000-doesnt-work-anymore-in-cheese
[23:25] <usr13> AcE_punK:   8G swap,  20G /  &  the rest for /home/
[23:26] <jasc> jrib: no, those that fail use port 6667
[23:26] <morgan> I still can't get this to work without killing everything :( How do I correctly do metacity --replace and then compiz --replace ?
[23:26] <blackshirt> 8gb for swap...that was big
[23:26] <usr13> blackshirt: Yep
[23:26] <gurjeet> On 12.04, my DNS seems to die every now and then.
[23:26] <usr13> blackshirt: Sure is.  But if you got it, why not use it?
[23:27] <blackshirt> gurjeet, why you say that?
[23:27] <usr13> blackshirt: Is he really gonna miss  4G?
[23:27] <jasc> L1: when i typed the /join #debian command I got connected
[23:28] <gurjeet> If I wget google.com, I get 'cpould not resolve' error, but if I do wget <google's IP address> I nicely get the index.html promptly.
[23:28] <usr13> blackshirt: If  4G is good, 8G is better.  (Especially since we have no idea what he may do with this system in the future.
[23:28] <L1> jasc: That joins you to the #debian channel on this server (freenode)
[23:28] <blackshirt> Usr13, i think linux manage memory very eficiently, and sometimes swap was not used mostly
[23:28] <gurjeet> blackshirt: ^^
[23:28] <jrib> jasc: you probably have a firewall issue.  Check your router's settings if you have one
[23:28] <usr13> blackshirt: See:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[23:28] <miraj> gurjeet : are you using BIND as a caching dns? or are you an external DNS server directly?
[23:29] <jasc> jrib: should I open port 6667 or forward it for this to work?
[23:29] <usr13> blackshirt: What about hybernation or sleep mode?
[23:29] <pizzadude> when i run my webcam in cheese and record a video it says "Reason: Media contains no supported video streams." in the terminal output. it used to work, now it just creates a 13kb webm file
[23:29] <blackshirt> usr13, yes, i see .... If the memory big enought, i think maybe better stay on ram ..
[23:30] <morgan> How do I correctly do metacity --replace and then compiz --replace without breaking anything, and running a game inbetween them
[23:30] <blackshirt> usr13, thats typically on desktop version...
[23:30] <miraj> pizzadude : maybe it's because microsoft doesn't want people using linux?
[23:30] <pizzadude> can anyone here help me with this issue?
[23:31] <pizzadude> miraj haha i think it's a problem with a missing package or something