[07:34] <whiprush> Walza: just ask
[07:35] <Walza> i have 2 cards that alsa picks up
[07:35] <Walza> one card is a bt878 tv card
[07:35] <joem> whiprush, blam does :)
[07:35] <phlaegel> Walza: same thing here. just a sec, got a fix for you here.
[07:35] <Walza> and one is ac97 sound card
[07:35] <joem> I don't know of anything else that does, but the spec is new
[07:36] <Walza> phlaegel: thanks mate
[07:36] <whiprush> joem: well, you get my idea. It's becoming a wasteland of apps or something.
[07:36] <joem> most people will probably ignore the spec because the best feature of the notify area is that is is cross desktop platform
[07:36] <whiprush> yes. :(
[07:36] <phlaegel> Walza: just to make sure, the bt card is detected as card 0, killing your sound, right?
[07:36] <Walza> and yeah /dev/audio /dev/dsp get assigned to the tv card - gnomes doesnt like it
[07:37] <Walza> phlaegel: yeap thats it
[07:37] <crimsun> index=1 for the bttv card
[07:37] <crimsun> index=0 for the other
[07:37] <phlaegel> Walza: put http://crapbox.org/asoundrc in your home dir as .asoundrc
[07:38] <phlaegel> that's what I use
[07:38] <LeeColleton> why is it that tomboy will run once and then not a second time?  If I rm -rf .tomboy I can get one run out of it but the second run comes up blank
[07:38] <Walza> can i have it global in /etc/asound.conf?
[07:38] <whiprush> ok, I must be an idiot, but someone explain to me why tomboy is better than say, the existing postit applet?
[07:38] <phlaegel> Walza: probably
[07:38] <crimsun> yes
[07:38] <joem> whiprush, it works kind of like a wiki
[07:38] <ranman> Walza: You are using vfl2?
[07:38] <joem> you can have links to other notes
[07:38] <phlaegel> whiprush: because it's a personal wiki
[07:38] <Jaramin> whiprush: I've taken a closer look to the linux permission system, and understand a bit more the orientation of your previous answers ;)
[07:39] <whiprush> Jaramin: excellent.
[07:39] <ranman> oops v4l2
[07:39] <Walza> ranman: what ever comes in the stock 2.6 kernel
[07:39] <whiprush> Jaramin: windows is the same way also. Learn about fast user switching. Same idea.
[07:39] <phlaegel> whiprush: I never found the sticky notes applet useful, but I'm using tomboy constantly.
[07:39] <Walza> ranman: i think your right
[07:39] <whiprush> phlaegel: ok, I'll give it a go then
[07:39] <joem> tomboy will be really nice when it gets evo integration
[07:39] <phlaegel> yes
[07:39] <phlaegel> and bullets
[07:40] <whiprush> Jaramin: don't think of it as a cage. Think of it as a seatbelt.
[07:40] <joem> I would use it more often
[07:40] <joem> but my life is boring, so I don't have to note things down
[07:40] <defendguin> punkass if you are here tomoorrow i will show you an improved one
[07:40] <whiprush> ugh
[07:40] <defendguin> just remind me
[07:40] <joem> take a nap with a link to getting up
[07:40] <ranman> ic.. hmm, I have not used the 2.6 kernel in my box at home that has the tv card.. My tv card is plugged into the tv audio of my soundcard and all bttv wil go into /dev/v4l/
[07:40] <whiprush> phlaegel: I've spent my life trying to get away from wikis.
[07:40] <punkass> ok will do
[07:40] <whiprush> and now this is good?
[07:40] <LeeColleton> yes, but the postit applet runs every time I click on it.  Tomboy only runs once.  The second time I get a big fat NOTHING
[07:40] <phlaegel> it's a faster, simpler wiki
[07:40] <LeeColleton> (until I rm -rf .tomboy , as mentioned)
[07:41] <whiprush> phlaegel: WhatDoYouMean?
[07:41] <phlaegel> I mean, if you don't like, don't use, of course, but you'd be wrong. ;-)
[07:41] <whiprush> heh
[07:41] <Walza> phlaegel: have you entered it as a bug in the bugzilla?
[07:41] <phlaegel> Walza: nope
[07:41] <joem> whiprush, http://www.beatniksoftware.com/tomboy/
[07:41] <joem> the screen shot is a good example
[07:41] <Jaramin> whiprush: so I'll ask for something that would probably be more fitting, though I'm not sure it's easily feasible... let's say I'm in a folder in nautilus. I want to delete a file, but need to be root to do so. I don't want to use the command line (even if I can). Would it be possible to add some sort of "delete as root" button or context menu entry?
[07:41] <whiprush> yeah I'm playing with it now
[07:41] <joem> Jaramin, yes
[07:41] <phlaegel> Jaramin: yes. you want a nautilus script.
[07:42] <joem> a simple one line nautilus script that does gksudo rm file or something
[07:42] <Jaramin> yay! now I'm talking the same language as you I guess :P
[07:42] <clee> ... isn't it smarter for Nautilus just to prompt for a password if it detects that it doesn't have sufficient permissions to delete something?
[07:42] <Walza> phlaegel: yeah been tossing up the idea of entering it - but its not really a bug
[07:42] <whiprush> dude.
[07:42] <joem> clee, shh
[07:42] <phlaegel> clee: that would be smarter, definitely
[07:42] <whiprush> what are you deleting?
[07:42] <whiprush> and why?
[07:43] <Walza> ranman: yeah it works right out of the box with the 2.6 kernel
[07:43] <defendguin> why is gaim-encryption not in ubuntu or universe?
[07:43] <phlaegel> Walza: it would be an enhancement, I guess, or a minor bug. It would be nice to have it not make a tv card the default alsa device
[07:43] <clee> defendguin: because g-e is crack
[07:43] <whiprush> it's not in debian either
[07:43] <Jaramin> whiprush: log files. I'm using ipac-ng and I need to delete log files.
[07:43] <jdub> defendguin: remember we froze in around june...
[07:43] <defendguin> doesnt relly offer protection?
[07:44] <phlaegel> Walza: if you don't want to enter it, let me know and I will.
[07:44] <Walza> phlaegel thanks for your help matey muchy apperated
[07:44] <phlaegel> np
[07:44] <Walza> next time i see bob2 in person ill hassle him about it hehehe
[07:44] <Walza> :)
[07:45] <phlaegel> you can do that *and* enter it in bugzilla so it doesn't get lost :-)
[07:45] <whiprush> Jaramin: admin function. For that you'll need to sudo to. The "right way" is to set it up so it rotates properly, do you don't need to delete by hand.
[07:45] <Jaramin> whiprush: I guess it would be harder to really integrate it as clee said, but how about a just some sort of "delete as root" context entry, is it something I could make myslef?
[07:45] <ranman> I went to ifolder site after the discussion here, and seems that Novell is porting everything linux to netware..   Could this be caused by installing, then uninstalling tomboy from source and then installing the tomboy package?
[07:47] <Jaramin> clee: I guess so, but I need a quick and dirty solution now
[07:47] <joem> Jaramin, hmm yea just a sec
[07:47] <linux_mafia> i hate tintin
[07:47] <whiprush> ranman: the old versions of ifolder were netware products. most of their pages are out of date
[07:47] <phlaegel> Jaramin: try creating a script in ~/.nautilus/scripts and see if it appears on the context menu.
[07:47] <whiprush> ranman: ie. they mention 2.x or whatever
[07:47] <phlaegel> tintin rules
[07:47] <ranman> ic..
[07:47] <whiprush> LeeColleton: no idea how to help you. :(
[07:48] <linux_mafia> captain haddock was the shit
[07:48] <whiprush> ranman: they're a large company, my local salesman didn't even know about ifolder.
[07:48] <whiprush> takes time, etc.
[07:48] <whiprush> I was like "hey, can someone answer some questions about ifolder?"
[07:49] <whiprush> he was like "yeah, we plan to OSS it soon!"
[07:49] <whiprush> they GPLed it in May.
[07:50] <calc> ranman: NLD comes out RSN, maybe end of this month even
[07:50] <whiprush> yeah that's what they told me too
[07:50] <whiprush> end of the month
[07:50] <calc> joem: clee has to keep it up at the gnome summit for comic relief ;)
[07:51] <jdub> they can't compete with the ubuntu juggernaut ;)
[07:51] <calc> joem: he does gnome at work and kde at home, heh :)
[07:51] <clee> calc: yep.
[07:51] <joem> I know
[07:51] <clee> jdub: I hope you guys *crush* Novell
[07:52] <Jaramin> phlaegel: no, it doesn't show up (actually, there isn't a scripts folder there, I had to create one)
[07:52] <clee> jdub: We need a *decent* competitor, y'know? ;)
[07:52] <joem> Jaramin, it needs to be an executable to show up
[07:53] <phlaegel> Jaramin: hm. the docs for this are so out of date. the folder is probably somewhere else now...
[07:53] <joem> script should just be something like gksudo rm $@
[07:53] <joem> Jaramin, .gnome2/nautilus-scripts
[07:53] <phlaegel> try ~/.gnome/nautilus-scripts
[07:53] <phlaegel> heh
[07:53] <whiprush> clee: your proprietary linux will fall to the mighty open solaris empire.
[07:54] <calc> hahaha
[07:54] <clee> whiprush: heh.
[07:54] <calc> solaris is about dead what with jonathan's lovely IP patent stuff ;)
[07:54] <whiprush> woo
[07:54] <aj> calc: (you'd rather they get crushed after you get a job there?)
[07:54] <calc> aj: no that if they don't hire me they can get crushed ;)
[07:55] <justdave> what package do I need to install to get autoconf.h?
[07:56] <joem> autoconf?
[07:56] <justdave> got that already, and it's not there
[07:56] <justdave> ok, packages.debian.org says it's part of the kernel source
[07:57] <justdave> which I also have already
[07:57] <Jaramin> joem: yep, that's the right path
[07:57] <calc> autoconf.h should be in linux-kernel-headers under /usr/include/linux/autoconf.h
[07:57] <calc> unless it is a different one
[07:57] <joem> yep
[07:57] <joem> that is where its at
[07:58] <whiprush> woo, going to buy more cancer sticks. bbl. clee/calc, pleasure meeting you gentlemen, fan of your work, as always.
[07:58] <LeeColleton> whiprush: no cancer, don't
[07:58] <clee> whiprush: later on
[07:58] <whiprush> jdub: I think you're ok also. :p
[07:58] <clee> whiprush: don't smoke'em all at once
[07:59] <calc> whiprush: you run ars technica linux section?
[07:59] <crimsun> that's him.
[07:59] <calc> thats cool :)
[07:59] <phlaegel> jdub: that will only encourage him.
[08:00] <whiprush> dude you gotta EARN that play.
[08:00] <joem> hmm, how does gksudo work
[08:00] <joem>  gksudo rm test.txt seems like it should do the job
[08:01] <phlaegel> it's probably meant for gui apps
[08:02] <joem> I don't see why it can't do that
[08:02] <jdub> joem: gksudo swallows the tty
[08:02] <joem> hmm
[08:02] <jdub> so you can't do those things
[08:02] <joem> what would be the best way to go about asking for password in a nautilus script then
[08:03] <joem> zenity and pass the output to sudo?
[08:04] <atu13439> hey guys is it just me or is there something wrong with Disc Utility and warty-powerpc.iso in Mac OS X
[08:05] <clee> so is there a vncviewer that doesn't *suck* like the default one?
[08:05] <clee> vino-server reports that it can do protocol version 3.7
[08:06] <clee> vncviewer here only seems to do 3.3
[08:06] <clee> and it's fucking *laggy* on 100MBit which is unacceptable
[08:07] <ranman> joem: jdub: run "gksu touch me" You should find a file in your home directory with root permissions..
[08:08] <atu13439> any ubuntu on powerpc users here that can help...
[08:08] <ranman> gksu is a wrapper for sudo..
[08:08] <joem> sudo or su?
[08:08] <joem> it asks for root password
[08:08] <dewey> sudo asks for your password.
[08:08] <Jaramin> joem: googling stuff for scripts, found interesting stuff, script has to handle selction of multiple files with spaces in the file names...
[08:10] <joem> yea gksu requires root access
[08:13] <ranman> ic..
[08:13] <ranman> I think that this rootless environment needs more thought..
[08:13] <justdave> atu13439: Disk Utility is broken
[08:14] <justdave> atu13439: the iso works fine in Toast
[08:14] <ranman> Good idea to keep the noobs for messing up their computers.. (maybe).. But it seems less friendly..
[08:15] <joem> how so?
[08:15] <linux_mafia> where can i get tomboy packages? i'm sure someone mentioned it earlier
[08:15] <phlaegel> it's in tseng's mono repo
[08:16] <linux_mafia> phlaegel, thought so, cheers
[08:17] <ranman> I am using a mutated debian unstable -> ubuntu and not experiencing the problems that others are having, but how are the people using synaptic?
[08:17] <atu13439> justdave: thanks for the reply...i dont have toast...can i use hdiutil from command line
[08:18] <ranman> Mine gets launched by gksu, and seems that others cannot use gksu due to rootless behavior..
[08:18] <justdave> hdiutil crashes, too.  (Disk Utility is just a GUI wrapper on hdiutil anyway)
[08:18] <atu13439> you're right...any other way i can work around this
[08:18] <justdave> I'm told cdrecord from fink works
[08:19] <justdave> I haven't managed to make it work personally (it seems to require a SCSI CD burner, and mine's IDE)
[08:19] <atu13439> yeah i've got an ide burner as well...
[08:19] <atu13439> hmmm maybe i can use xcdroast
[08:20] <joem> scsi emulation
[08:21] <bestadvocate> hello everyone
[08:23] <LeeColleton> tseng: I can run tomboy once then I have to delete ~/.tomboy before I can run it again.  Have you encountered this problem?  I'm using the version packaged in your repository.
[08:24] <joem> hes asleep
[08:24] <whiprush> phlaegel: still awake?
[08:25] <phlaegel> yep
[08:25] <whiprush> you happen to be running the totem packages seb posted to the list earlier?
[08:25] <phlaegel> haven't tried them yet
[08:25] <phlaegel> I use mplayer most of the time
[08:25] <whiprush> fell like helping me confirm a bug?
[08:26] <phlaegel> sure
[08:26] <linux_mafia> LeeColleton, i'm just dl'ing tomboy now, i'll tell you if i have the same problem, then you can know if it's a problem specific to you
[08:26] <whiprush> deb http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~seb128/gstreamer/ ./
[08:26] <whiprush> then install totem-gstreamer.
[08:26] <phlaegel> LeeColleton: I never had that problem when I ran tseng's tomboy package
[08:26] <phlaegel> whiprush: ew, gstreamer ;-)
[08:26] <AndyFitz> oh ym ,  the TripleJ beat the drum winners went all out http://www.struthbeatthedrum.8m.net/photo.html  - amazing    . still ,  I liked the time someone projected the logo onto the sydney 200 opening ceremony roof
[08:27] <whiprush> fullscreen a video, and tell me if you see the minimized controls like normal fullscreen mode.
[08:27] <whiprush> I get nothing.
[08:27] <AndyFitz> TripleJ is a national radio station here in AU
[08:27] <linux_mafia> AndyFitz, do they use ubuntu?
[08:27] <AndyFitz> yeah 3 times a day
[08:27] <linux_mafia> AndyFitz, wtf
[08:28] <AndyFitz> lol just joking linux_mafia.  i doubt the ABC use ubuntu.
[08:28] <LeeColleton> phlaegel: I'm thinking it's somehow vaugely related to my installation and removal of tomboy from source, followed by this buggy packaged installation
[08:29] <joem> the package isn't buggy
[08:29] <linux_mafia> i reckon, tseng is the head of voltron
[08:30] <phlaegel> whiprush: that totem doesnt' seem to want to play anything
[08:30] <whiprush> you need to find an mpeg or something
[08:31] <whiprush> not an avi or wmv or mov
[08:31] <GOwin> hello. i'm new into linux and ubuntu. i've just succesfully installed ubuntu on a desktop and am now trying to looking for the egroupware via the synaptic package manager. i can't seem to find it.
[08:31] <phlaegel> ah, of course... gstreamer
[08:31] <whiprush> heh
[08:31] <phlaegel> there's a reason totem-xine was one of the first things I installed on ubuntu
[08:31] <AndyFitz> GOwin: you mean opengroupware ?
[08:32] <whiprush> phlaegel: right, except the gstreamer stuff is being worked on now.
[08:32] <GOwin> nope. i mean, egroupware. from www.egroupware.org
[08:32] <GOwin> it's a fork of phpgroupware
[08:32] <whiprush> phlaegel: that means you get to help fix it. :p
[08:32] <phlaegel> yay
[08:33] <whiprush> GOwin: it doesn't appear to be part of ubuntu at the moment.
[08:33] <liran> what the command to reconfig stuff ?
[08:33] <phlaegel> haven't found a file it'll play yet
[08:33] <liran> dpkg something
[08:33] <whiprush> dpkg-reconfigure <package>
[08:34] <ranman> GOwin: egroupware is not there... It is in Deb unstable though, if you are adventurous..
[08:34] <GOwin> i was told before that i can try to get it from debian packages. im not sure how to do it.
[08:34] <liran> any one?
[08:34] <whiprush> phlaegel: you get a black screen right?
[08:34] <GOwin> ranman. i can afford to be adventoruos right now.
[08:34] <phlaegel> yeah
[08:34] <GOwin> how do i got about it? :)
[08:34] <liran> what the command to reconfig stuff ?
[08:34] <whiprush> liran: dpkg-reconfigure <package>
[08:34] <phlaegel> just audio, or some file freeze the player
[08:35] <whiprush> fullscreen it anyway.
[08:35] <phlaegel> fullscreen or normal size
[08:35] <phlaegel> and no fullscreen controls
[08:35] <whiprush> do you see the "Exit fullscreen" button or the minicontrols?
[08:35] <liran> thanks
[08:39] <Treenaks> oh great... I updated my ubuntu this morning, and now I get the login sound _twice_.. once before login, once after
[08:40] <calc> heh
[08:40] <calc> maybe it wants to make certain you realize you logged in
[08:40] <punkass> \join #css
[08:40] <punkass> doh
[08:41] <Treenaks> calc: uh, the login sounds plays before I've even typed my login name :)
[08:41] <calc> oh
[08:41] <Treenaks> calc: want to wade through X internals btw?
[08:41] <Treenaks> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1842
[08:42] <punkass> Treenaks...i dont even get a login sound :(
[08:42] <LeeColleton> aha!  I have to have a notification area open for the TinTin head.  That's why tomboy was freaking out.
[08:42] <joem> LeeColleton, file a bug on it
[08:43] <joem> it should give you some sort of warning
[08:43] <calc> Treenaks: don't know about x internals, sorry
[08:44] <calc> Treenaks: that bug report appears to be fairly detailed though
[08:44] <GOwin> uh oh. ubuntu just crashed. i'm going to reboot now. what should i check what i get back on?
[08:45] <LeeColleton> joem: where?
[08:45] <Treenaks> GOwin: crashed?
[08:47] <Treenaks> GOwin: what did you do to make it crash? and what part crashed?
[08:54] <joem> dunno, if there is a bugzilla component, mailing list, author addredd..
[08:54] <joem> address*
[08:54] <joem> http://beatniksoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/tomboy-list_beatniksoftware.com
[08:54] <GOwin> treenaks. the screensaver just activated and i left it like that and then it crashed
[08:55] <Treenaks> GOwin: so it might be 3d-related.. do you have an nvidia or ati card?
[08:55] <joem> LeeColleton, there is also a component on gnome bugzilla
[08:56] <ranman> GOwin: Was it a GL screensaver?
[08:56] <liran> how do i open bz2 files ?
[08:56] <GOwin> nope. it's just a run of the mill savage4 card
[08:57] <linux_mafia> liran, tar jxf <file> or bzip2 -d <file>
[08:57] <Treenaks> GOwin: maybe it was just slow?
[08:57] <linux_mafia> iirc
[08:57] <linux_mafia> heh
[08:59] <liran> how do i install .bin files?
[08:59] <liran> or open them
[08:59] <Treenaks> liran: where did you get it?
[08:59] <liran> from java,its java for linux
[08:59] <Treenaks> liran: don't use the bin file
[09:00] <liran> why  not?
[09:00] <liran> and what shell i use then?
[09:00] <Treenaks> liran: you should use packages
[09:00] <liran> sudo apt-get install java
[09:00] <liran> ?
[09:00] <GOwin> treenaks. the whole system crashed. i had to reboot
[09:00] <Treenaks> liran: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387/view?searchterm=java
[09:01] <Treenaks> GOwin: that's really weird.
[09:01] <Treenaks> GOwin: are you sure it crashed (and not just X -- it might've been possible to access it over the network)
[09:02] <ranman> GOwin: what is the vendor id for the card? YOu can get the info from lspci..
[09:05] <liran> Treenaks: i can`t get it worked
[09:05] <Treenaks> liran: did you read the FAQ page
[09:05] <liran> yes
[09:08] <jacob> Is there a package list availiable for what comes on the 4.10 CD ?
[09:09] <Treenaks> liran: it has instructions and a link
[09:10] <liran> :(
[09:15] <GOwin> ranman told me that it could've been due to a GL screensaver. i'm using savage4 card.
[09:15] <GOwin> i've changed the screensaver now.
[09:15] <monkey-> hey people, for some reason cdrecord does not work on ubuntu with my cdwriter, I try "cdrecord -scanbus" as root and I get this "cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver." Any clues?
[09:16] <calc> use the atapi mode, forgot how
[09:16] <monkey-> ok, i will look it up
[09:16] <monkey-> cheers!
[09:20] <Treenaks> monkey-: it'll work with your CD writer.. nautilus uses cdrecord too
[09:20] <ranman> is that the ide-scsi driver?
[09:21] <Treenaks> ranman: no, it's a special dev= command line option for cdrecord
[09:21] <calc> ranman: ide-scsi is no longer used
[09:22] <ranman> ic.. I did not know, I switched to scsi some time ago..
[09:22] <monkey-> I am not sure, I have used my cdwriter about 2 times in the last year, but that was under a 2.4 kernel
[09:24] <calc> its only on 2.6 though iirc
[09:24] <crimsun> dev=/dev/hdXX if you use a static /dev on 2.6
[09:24] <monkey-> ok, cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom -scanbus detects on the DVD part of my cdwriter
[09:25] <liran> Treenaks there is a package for gtk.2.4.* ?
[09:25] <liran> I really needs it
[09:25] <crimsun> ubuntu already uses gtk 2.4
[09:25] <Treenaks> liran: yes, that's already installed.. part of gnome
[09:26] <liran> how do i check if it is?
[09:26] <liran> i mean the verrsion i got
[09:26] <crimsun> dpkg -l libgtk2\*|grep ^ii
[09:26] <liran>  dpkg -l libgtk2\*|grep ^ii
[09:26] <liran> ii  libgtk2.0-0    2.4.10-1ubuntu The GTK+ graphical user interface library
[09:26] <liran> ii  libgtk2.0-bin  2.4.10-1ubuntu The programs for the GTK+ graphical user int
[09:26] <liran> ii  libgtk2.0-comm 2.4.10-1ubuntu Common files for the GTK+ graphical user in
[09:28] <crimsun> see? 2.4.10
[09:38] <calc> grr the gtk gettingstarted guide is out of date
[09:39] <calc> anyone happen to know what gtk_window_show changed to?
[09:40] <bborkk> I just installed Warty and would like to upgrade the kernel from <IP_ADDRESS>-3 to <IP_ADDRESS>-12.  I've downloaded the source, compiled the new kernel and installed it all without a problem.  However, booting into the new kernel results in: "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)".  Google seems to think I didn't compile the correct modules into the kernel, but I can't figure out which ones I would nee
[09:40] <bborkk> d.  Any ideas?
[09:40] <phlaegel> you shouldn't need to compile a kernel
[09:40] <crimsun> bborkk: mkinitrd? :)
[09:40] <bborkk> phlaegel: that would be nice.
[09:41] <phlaegel> just install the linux-i386 (or linux-k7 or linux-amd64, as appropriate) and it will keep you up to date
[09:41] <crimsun> -13 is the most current iirc
[09:41] <bborkk> phlaegel: you mean the package?  sudo apt-get install linux-i386?
[09:41] <phlaegel> right
[09:41] <crimsun> yep
[09:41] <calc> ah gtk_widget_show_all
[09:42] <calc> i guess that is the equivalent anyway
[09:42] <bborkk> phlaegel: well, at least now i know how to compile and install a kernel, even if incorrectly.  :)
[09:42] <phlaegel> doesn't hurt to know :-)
[09:43] <bborkk> phlaegel: the linux-i386 package wasn't found.
[09:44] <plangent> Is there an issue with the ppc .iso in OSX.3?
[09:44] <crimsun> should work fine if you burn w/ toast
[09:44] <crimsun> from reports
[09:44] <phlaegel> bborkk: maybe linux-386
[09:45] <phlaegel> linux-686 if it's a pentium4
[09:45] <bborkk> phlaegel: how about a pentium M (newest intel laptop chipset)?
[09:45] <joem> yea
[09:46] <joem> anything above a pentium2 afaik
[09:46] <crimsun> linux-686 should work
[09:46] <bborkk> thanks all.  i'll see how it goes.
[09:48] <bborkk> crimsun, phlaegel: I assume I have to restart to see the change in kernel?
[09:48] <crimsun> bborkk: yes
[09:48] <phlaegel> yep
[09:48] <bborkk> back in a bit, then.  thanks again.  i'll let you know how it goes.
[09:56] <bborkk> okay, that worked... i'm now running <IP_ADDRESS>-3-686 instead of <IP_ADDRESS>-2-386.
[09:56] <crimsun> :)
[09:56] <bborkk> thanks for the help!
[09:57] <bborkk> what's the difference between the -386 and -686 kernels?
[09:57] <bborkk> the reason i wanted to update was so i could get my laptop to sleep properly
[09:58] <bborkk> but, it doesn't seem to have worked.
[09:58] <jdub> bborkk: 686 is built for newer cpus - same source, different binary
[09:58] <jdub> (mostly the same source)
[09:58] <bborkk> jdub: good to know... so it's just optimization issues?
[09:58] <jdub> essentially
[09:59] <bborkk> jdub: what about the revision numbers?  does -3-686 correspond to -3-386?
[09:59] <Lathiat> bingles
[09:59] <jdub> bborkk: yes
[10:00] <jdub> bborkk: the 3 indicates abi change version
[10:00] <Lathiat> tseng: cool, see http://lathiat.bur.st/ i've got my patch to monodevelop, a binary and dbus cvs built with c# bindings (beagle needs dbus cvs so i did that instead of the release)
[10:00] <Lathiat> tseng: actually, maybe the beagle release wont need a cvs dbus version :)
[10:00] <Lathiat> the cvs version does anyway
[10:00] <bborkk> jdub: hmm, so if the bug i'm dealing with was fixed in <IP_ADDRESS>-10, then I should be using the -386 version?
[10:02] <phlaegel> jdub: do you know if there's been any discussion about improving performance in the network window in nautilus? ie. If a connection can be shown immediately, do it, don't stall the whole window to wait for slower ones. I find the delay opening that window really annoying.
[10:02] <phlaegel> bborkk: 686 is fine, all the versions are at -13
[10:03] <bborkk> phlaegel: uname -a returns Linux mono-pole <IP_ADDRESS>-3-686 #1 Thu Oct 7 14:27:15 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:04] <phlaegel> bborkk: search in synaptic (or apt-cache) for linux-image. see what versions show up
[10:04] <bborkk> phlaegel: apt-cache show linux-image?
[10:04] <Alby> Hi, can i use a bootdisk to start ubuntu installation cause my laptop doesn't support boot from CD?
[10:05] <jdub> bborkk: that'd be the latest version
[10:05] <jdub> bborkk: most likely
[10:05] <phlaegel> apt-cache search linux-image
[10:05] <jdub> bborkk: if 'dpkg -l linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686'
[10:06] <jdub> bborkk: shows that you have version <IP_ADDRESS>-13, you have the latest version
[10:06] <bborkk> jdub: huh, i guess i have the latest version then.  very confusing.  :)
[10:07] <phlaegel> bborkk: I think it's a little clearer if you look in synaptic
[10:09] <bborkk> phlaegel: yep, it is clearer.  i've never used synaptic before.
[10:12] <bborkk> thanks again... sleep beckons.  back on the horse tomorrow.
[10:14] <giuSerpe> hi
[10:22] <GOwin> hi. i'm trying to get the egroupware package for debian from here. http://ftp.hk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/egroupware/
[10:23] <GOwin> how do i use synaptic to do this? im new into linux and ubuntu
[10:25] <Lathiat> Well youd need to add the debian source for that mirror
[10:25] <Lathiat> however that, generally, is a bad idea
[10:25] <Lathiat> it might work, but it might break things
[10:26] <GOwin> my objective for setting up the ubuntu in my computer is to get egroupware installed on it
[10:27] <Treenaks> hm.. my laptop has associated with my AP, it asks for an IP every hour, but ping gives 'host unreachable' on both ipv4 and ipv6
[10:27] <Treenaks> and I'm not near it to check it
[10:28] <Lathiat> Treenaks: If you had access to the dhcp server you could check the leases?
[10:28] <Lathiat> GOwin: what is egroupware exactly?
[10:28] <Treenaks> Lathiat: that's what I meant by "it asks for an IP".. it gets a lease
[10:29] <Lathiat> Treenaks: No its not, because I meant, look at the DHCP server leases because it probably managed to expire its lease and get a different address than the one your trying to ping?
[10:29] <GOwin> lathiat, it's a colloboration application
[10:29] <Lathiat> that said if the ipv6 doesnt ping, since the autoconfed addresses are static you probably broke it somehow :)
[10:29] <Treenaks> Lathiat: it gets an IP. I know my DHCP logs :)
[10:29] <Treenaks> Lathiat:
[10:29] <Lathiat> Treenaks: oh i get it now :)
[10:29] <Lathiat> sorry
[10:29] <Treenaks> Oct  8 10:23:43 messy dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for <IP_ADDRESS> from 00:04:e2:a5:d9:88 via eth1
[10:30] <Lathiat> depends hwo you read what you first wrote :)
[10:30] <Treenaks> Oct  8 10:23:43 messy dhcpd: DHCPACK on <IP_ADDRESS> to 00:04:e2:a5:d9:88 via eth1
[10:30] <Lathiat> firewall? :)
[10:30] <Lathiat> EBCAK?
[10:30] <Treenaks> Lathiat: I didn't change anything.. I just rebooted the laptop remotely.. then it worked for a while, until I logged out
[10:31] <Lathiat> ahh thats just murphys law then
[10:31] <Treenaks> Lathiat: 8)
[10:31] <Lathiat> maybe you "logged out" with reboot? :)
[10:31] <Treenaks> Lathiat: even then, it should work by now.. it's been an hour
[10:31] <Treenaks> Lathiat: more even
[10:32] <pere> What packages do I have to install to be able to play mpg-movies
[10:36] <pere> isnt that possible?
[10:37] <Treenaks> it is possible
[10:37] <phin> divx?
[10:37] <Treenaks> look for marillat in the FAQ
[10:37] <phin> werd
[10:37] <Treenaks> phin: divx as well
[10:38] <joolz> i have a newbie problem with /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. I have set the resolution to 1280x1024, but X doesn't seem to pick it up
[10:39] <joolz> do I need to set this somewhere else too?
[10:39] <phin> ya i know
[10:39] <phin> i was gonna give him the deb for marillat
[10:39] <phin> but you beat me to it
[10:39] <phin> lol
[10:39] <Lathiat> joolz: A number of things can affect that
[10:39] <Treenaks> phin: I type faster than my shadow 8)
[10:40] <Lathiat> joolz: Do you know for certain your videocard/monitor supports that resolution?
[10:40] <joolz> Lathiat: yes, i come from fc2 on the same machine, and it worked there
[10:40] <joolz> just switched yesterday :)
[10:40] <Lathiat> right
[10:40] <liran> my linux fucked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:40] <Lathiat> do you have your old config?
[10:41] <Lathiat> liran: Bad way to get help, good way is to state your problem as specifically as possible and with some politeness :)
[10:41] <joolz> that's an xorg one... ubuntu has xfree86
[10:41] <Lathiat> joolz: That wont matter
[10:41] <joolz> can I just copy it over?
[10:41] <Lathiat> joolz: Umm are you an experiencedish user or new to linux?
[10:41] <joolz> medium
[10:41] <Lathiat> i think the formats are different
[10:41] <Treenaks> Lathiat: it might be that the xorg driver is newer
[10:41] <Lathiat> joolz: thought so
[10:41] <Lathiat> Treenaks: possible
[10:41] <fabbione> joolz: which video card?
[10:41] <Lathiat> joolz: what video card do you have?
[10:41] <Lathiat> beat ya fabbione :P
[10:41] <fabbione> nope
[10:42] <joolz> sec, i'll have a look
 Treenaks: possible
 joolz: which video card?
 joolz: what video card do you have?
[10:42] <fabbione> that's what appeared on my screen ;)
[10:42] <Lathiat> bah, lag :P
[10:42] <fabbione>  [Lag  0]  [O/0 N/187 I/0 V/0 F/0]                                    [U:A:S:b:h]
[10:42] <fabbione> tsk :P
[10:42] <Lathiat> fabbione: yeh but like yours came out like justa fter mine
[10:42] <joolz> Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Device (says the config file)
[10:42] <Lathiat> irc + connection lag would probablyu be about ~4-500ms
[10:42] <fabbione> joolz: lspci
[10:43] <joolz> fabbione: ?
[10:43] <fabbione> joolz: show me the output of lspci
[10:43] <liran> i change the splash screen and it gave me error about session logout :(
[10:43] <liran> im in fialsafe now
[10:43] <liran> :(
[10:43] <liran> please help me to restore my old conf's
[10:43] <liran> please mates
[10:43] <liran> any one ???
[10:43] <joolz> fabbione: 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[10:43] <fabbione> liran: start explaining one thing at a time
[10:44] <Lathiat> liran: So if you try to logn normally, what happens?
[10:44] <fabbione> liran: what was before, what you did and what do you expect
[10:44] <fabbione> joolz: ok.. can you put your XF86Config-4 somewhere i can look at it?
[10:45] <Lathiat> fabbione: probbaly a horiz/vert sync issue?
[10:45] <calc> may be an issue of enough ram allocated or something
[10:45] <Lathiat> or ram
[10:45] <calc> 865G is a shared mem video
[10:45] <Lathiat> agpgart not loaded perhaps?
[10:45] <calc> Lathiat: that could probably do it
[10:45] <Lathiat> altho i dont think they work at all without that, ic ant remember
[10:45] <punkass> fabbione: any word on 64bit glx package?
[10:46] <fabbione> Lathiat: yes. that's why i want to check
[10:46] <calc> Lathiat: yea probably not
[10:46] <fabbione> punkass: hoary
[10:46] <Lathiat> fabbione: cool
[10:46] <fabbione> and needs to be done by someone with an amd64
[10:46] <Treenaks> fabbione: put one on your amazon wish list 8)
[10:47] <calc> but don't know much about x
[10:47] <fabbione> punkass: the HowTo on the mailinglist/wiki is the best at the moment, specially considering the need of that script to fix the lib stuff
[10:47] <punkass> fabbione: cool thanks
[10:47] <pere> Treenaks: Thanks for pointing me to the FAQ. However I have another question that probably is too basic for including into the FAQ: How do I add debian-marillat repository to my Ubuntu sources.list. Can I do that in Synaptic?
[10:47] <fabbione> pere: yes you can
[10:47] <Treenaks> pere: I think so, you can also do "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" in a shell
[10:47] <joolz> fabbione: i'll try matching xfree conf with the old xorg. If that doesn't work, i'll be back here. Thanks so far!
[10:47] <fabbione> pere: and it should be included in the faq
[10:48] <fabbione> joolz: i might know where the problem is.
[10:48] <fabbione> joolz: do you want to show me the config?
[10:48] <joolz> sure, where do i put it?
[10:48] <fabbione> joolz: dunno.. somewhere on the web? email?
[10:48] <fabbione> joolz: whatever you prefer..
[10:48] <fabbione> joolz: mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:48] <joolz> fabbione: ok, just a sec
[10:49] <pere> fabbions: I find the menu entry, but have now idea what the url should be...
[10:49] <ik5pvx> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[10:50] <ik5pvx> I'm not sure "unstable" is right for use with warty
[10:50] <ik5pvx> works for me (TM)
[10:50] <Lathiat> ive read conflicting bits
[10:50] <fabbione> ik5pvx: yeah that is ok
[10:50] <Lathiat> somewhere i read said ubuntu was merged of sarge
[10:50] <Lathiat> somewhere else said sid
[10:50] <fabbione> Lathiat: ubuntu is a snapshot of Sid
[10:51] <ik5pvx> fineprint says it will format your hard disc, fry your graphic card, burn the laser of your cdrom and cause male sterility
[10:51] <Lathiat> rightio
[10:51] <Lathiat> i read something about using debian packages that said it was frozen at the same time as sarge and so they might work but no guarantees *shrug* i know the truth now :)
[10:51] <joolz> whoa! mozilla-firefox segfaults on me
[10:51] <joolz> when trying to send an email to fabbione with squirrelmail
[10:51] <Treenaks> joolz: did you install java?
[10:52] <joolz> Treenaks: no idea, I did a default install. Sec, i'll have a look
[10:52] <Treenaks> joolz: default install = no java
[10:52] <joolz> Treenaks: ok, no java then
[10:52] <fabbione> does squirrel use javascript?
[10:52] <ik5pvx> anyone expert on "suspend to ..." features ?
[10:52] <joolz> yes, and java is enabled in prefs
[10:52] <Lathiat> it probably does
[10:52] <joolz> i'll disable it
[10:53] <fabbione> joolz: it's a know bug. thom is working on it
[10:53] <fabbione> ik5pvx: thom is your bitch ;)
[10:53] <fabbione> or mjg59 ?
[10:53] <fabbione> i can never remember :)
[10:53] <Lathiat> i love swsusp2
[10:53] <joolz> fabbione: any workaround available?
[10:53] <ik5pvx> well, I'll try to summarize the 2 problems I have
[10:53] <Lathiat> couldnt live without it
[10:53] <fabbione> joolz: not yet. they are working on it
[10:53] <joolz> fabbione: ok, thanks
[10:53] <Lathiat> knowing a swsusp2 hacker IRL helps to get it going nicely :)
[10:54] <ik5pvx> first is that acpid intercepts power button, so pressing powerbutton to awake the laptop does awake and immediatly shutdown it
[10:54] <ik5pvx> easily fixed by adding an exit 0 in /etc/acpid/pwrbtn.sh or something like that
[10:54] <ik5pvx> second problem is that I can't get suspend to disk to work. there is no /sys/power/disk file
[10:55] <joolz> fabbione: i have a workaround. Seems that when in firefox java is enabled, and there is no java, this happens. I disabled java in firefox and now it doesnt segfault
[10:55] <ik5pvx> I suspect my laptop is to old to suspend to disk
[10:55] <fabbione> joolz: ok...
[10:55] <ik5pvx> Lathiat, what's "IRL" ?
[10:56] <stub> ipw2200 is curerntly spinning on my box - what should I run to submit a bug report? sudo strace -p 666 is telling me I'm not permitted.
[10:57] <joolz> fabbione: mail is underway
[10:57] <joolz> on the way
[10:57] <fabbione> joolz: ehehe ok
[10:57] <Treenaks> fabbione: I finally did the new core backtrace this morning...
[10:57] <spiv> stub: Yeah, you can't strace kernel threads :(
[10:58] <joolz> great to see there's such an active ubuntu society
[10:58] <Treenaks> joolz: hey, jij ook al? :)
[10:58] <joolz> Treenaks: yep, ik ookm al :)
[10:58] <joolz> Treenaks: nou ja, nederlands... Maastricht :)
[10:58] <fabbione> Treenaks: i saw it.. just replied to it ;)
[10:58] <joolz> and now back to english :)
[10:58] <Treenaks> joolz: Reservebelg ;)
[10:58] <joolz> Treenaks: lol
[10:59] <fabbione> joolz: why are you forcing the modeline?
[10:59] <Lathiat> ik5pvx: in real life
[11:00] <joolz> fabbione: just a try to see if that helped
[11:00] <fabbione> joolz: also.. your HorizSync is wrong
[11:00] <ik5pvx> Lathiat, do you have it working on ubuntu ?
[11:00] <joolz> fabbione: what should it be?
[11:01] <Lathiat> ik5pvx: it will do as soon as i recompile my kernel
[11:01] <Lathiat> ik5pvx: its not so much a ubuntu issue as it is a kernel issue
[11:01] <Lathiat> i ahd it going on debian fine so i assume itl work on ubuntu fine
[11:01] <fabbione> joolz: it should be 30-65
[11:01] <Lathiat> fabbione: ooc, (if its quickly explainable) what does horizsync mean
[11:02] <joolz> fabbione: ok, i'll adjust it. But will this solve the resolution issue?
[11:02] <fabbione> joolz: it should..
[11:02] <fabbione> Lathiat: ???
[11:02] <ik5pvx> Lathiat, ok, let us know. Hopefully it is easily done without too many changes, I'd really like the laptop to be as much "stock ubuntu" as possible
[11:02] <joolz> fabbione: ok, thanks a lot! Be right back
[11:02] <fabbione> joolz: and remove the modeline!
[11:03] <Lathiat> fabbione: like i was just curious if you knew, technically, what horizontal sync was...
[11:03] <fabbione> or comment it
[11:03] <fabbione> Lathiat: eh i will try in a few words
[11:03] <Lathiat> ik5pvx: its jus a kernel patch and ascript, ill see if i can patch the stock ubuntu kernel with it and make a package of the script and ill put it up on http://lathiat.bur.st/
[11:03] <fabbione> Lathiat: basically there is like a "pen" drawing on the monitor
[11:04] <fabbione> Lathiat: the pen needs to move from top left corner to bottom right corner
[11:04] <fabbione> Lathiat: imagine the pen as the size of one pixel
[11:04] <fabbione> Lathiat: the pen needs to move fast
[11:04] <fabbione> the HorizSync specify how fast the pen needs to move from left to right
[11:04] <Lathiat> heh 1280 * 1024 * 60 :P
[11:04] <Lathiat> fabbione: ah right
[11:05] <Lathiat> so thsi restricts the resolution cus if its too high and the horizsync is too low then it cant draw fast enough to hit the refresh rate?
[11:05] <Treenaks> Lathiat: 60? I'd try 75 at least (unless you like headaches..)
[11:05] <fabbione> the most common and known bit is the VertRefresh
[11:05] <Lathiat> Treenaks: well yeh 75-80+ these days
[11:05] <fabbione> since it's the "commercial" one
[11:05] <fabbione> Lathiat: or too low.. yes
[11:05] <ik5pvx> there's a nice explanation of all the screen timings somewhere in the X docs, let me see if I can find it again
[11:06] <joem> damn, I still have 60
[11:06] <fabbione> Lathiat: this is not a real "technical" explanation
[11:06] <fabbione> but you get the idea
[11:06] <Lathiat> fabbione: yeh its ok i get the general idea which is all i wanted :)
[11:06] <fabbione> bbl
[11:09] <Lathiat> cheers
[11:09] <joolz> fabbione: it's solved! Thanks!!
[11:10] <Lathiat> for hes a jolly good fellow..
[11:10] <Lathiat> bored :)
[11:10] <Alby> can i start installation from a debian system cause my laptop does not support cd rom boot
[11:12] <Lathiat> Alby: *thinks*
[11:13] <Lathiat> Alby: you could do a network install, do you have other computer as your network?
[11:13] <Lathiat> running an install from debian etc would work just be a bit messier and more hacky
[11:13] <Alby> Nope
[11:13] <Alby> tried from flopyy but did not succedd
[11:14] <Alby> My laptop only offers hdd and fdd
[11:14] <pere> Thanks for the help with installing mplayer, everyone. However Im getting an error trying to play mpeg-movies: "alsa-control: mixer attach dev/mixer error: No such file or directory". Any ideas
[11:15] <jordi> pere: try to see if your mplayer is using alsa directly.
[11:16] <Lathiat> Alby: hrm problem with floppy is you need to cd to continue the install
[11:16] <Lathiat> becuase it has to get the rest of the packages from somewhere
[11:16] <pere> in mplayer.conf I see ao=alsa
[11:17] <Lathiat> Alby: will you be able to get direct internet access?
[11:17] <Lathiat> Alby: perhaps a floppy started network install might work
[11:17] <Alby> Nope not from this laptop :/
[11:17] <Alby> Debian boot disks won't do?
[11:17] <pere> jordi: is that OK?
[11:18] <Lathiat> well only if you want to install debian :P
[11:18] <Alby> heh
[11:18] <Lathiat> hwo where you planning on getting the packages
[11:18] <Lathiat> off another aprtition on your hard drive?
[11:18] <Alby> I want to install base only
[11:20] <Lathiat> Yes but you need a lot of packages to do that
[11:20] <Lathiat> which are far mroe that will fit on a few floppys :)
[11:20] <Alby> I do have a cd rom on it
[11:20] <Alby> Burnt latest iso
[11:22] <Lathiat> Well then why cant you just install off that....
[11:22] <Lathiat> ohh
[11:22] <Lathiat> im sorry
[11:22] <Lathiat> i completely mis understood yoru problem
[11:22] <Lathiat> i thought you said you didnt have a cdrom drive
[11:22] <Alby> can't boot from it :)
[11:22] <Lathiat> not that you just cant boot from it :)
[11:22] <Alby> No no ;)
[11:22] <Lathiat> Whats the problem with the floppy boot?
[11:23] <Alby> u mean smart boot manager?
[11:23] <Alby> I didn't find any suitable floppy img
[11:23] <Lathiat> Oh, letme find one for you
[11:23] <Lathiat> im sure there is one
[11:23] <Alby> \o/
[11:23] <Alby> googled ti though
[11:24] <Lathiat> the other solution is that thing
[11:24] <Lathiat> it might be called smart boot manager
[11:24] <Lathiat> that will boot a cdrom
[11:24] <Lathiat> thats worked for me in this situation before
[11:24] <Lathiat> have you tried it?
[11:26] <Alby> Yep
[11:26] <Alby> Cd-rom does noit appear on menu
[11:26] <Lathiat> hrm thats odd
[11:26] <Alby> smb.bin is present on ubuntu iso
[11:26] <Lathiat> maybe its one of those realy old cdrom drives
[11:26] <Alby> 95 =/
[11:27] <Alby> :)
[11:27] <Lathiat> that tho in a laptop i wouldn thave thought so
[11:27] <Alby> debina install worked on it
[11:27] <Lathiat> yeh
[11:27] <Lathiat> hrm
[11:28] <Alby> i mean after floppy boot
[11:28] <Lathiat> yeh
[11:28] <Lathiat> i thought they would have made a floppy image
[11:28] <Lathiat> they havent :)
[11:29] <Alby> Is there a place to make a plea!!! :)
[11:30] <Lathiat> heh ask on the users mailing list, someone might havea way of getting around your problem
[11:30] <Lathiat> its odd your thing doesnt work in SBM
[11:30] <Lathiat> didntthink they made "soundcard cdroms" in laptops
[11:30] <Alby> thx neway ;)
[11:33] <pere> Im getting "alsa-control: mixer attach dev/mixer error: No such file or directory" in gmplayer. Mplayer works fine from command lineAny ideas
[11:34] <Lathiat> i assume because theres no / there
[11:34] <Lathiat> bug in the package perhaps?
[11:36] <pere> Lathiat: Running gmplayer from commandline, I get these errors:
[11:36] <pere> alsa-space: xrun of at least 27.025 msecs. resetting stream
[11:36] <pere> ALSA lib control.c:654:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL /dev/mixer 72%
[11:36] <pere> alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: No such file or directory
[11:38] <Spiritz> hi
[11:39] <Spiritz> does hubuntu supports well intel 2200 wifi chipset?
[11:39] <Lathiat> umm
[11:40] <Lathiat> Spiritz: A driver exists, its probably not in the default kernel
[11:40] <Lathiat> unsure how stable it is its an experimental driver
[11:41] <Spiritz> ok thank you
[11:42] <Spiritz> If you owned a centrino laptop, what distrubition would you choose?
[11:42] <Lathiat> ubuntu :)
[11:42] <Lathiat> I'm getting an intel 2200 centrino laptop in a couple months
[11:43] <Spiritz> Ok then I'm gonna try it too :)
[11:44] <Spiritz> I tried mdk 10.1 which, according to mdk, was the most laptop friendly distrib, but the SpeedStep for the centrino would not work, nor the ipw2200 driver built in the kernel
[11:44] <spiv> Spiritz: Yes, it's in the default kernel.
[11:44] <Spiritz> Yeah but the ipw2200 driver in the kernel is out of date. It's only 0.7 and doesn't support wep encryption properly :-
[11:44] <spiv> Spiritz: It Just Works on my gf's laptop.
[11:45] <Spiritz> using MDK 10.1 and ipw2200 driver?
[11:45] <spiv> Using ubuntu.
[11:45] <Spiritz> oh ok awesome, I can't wait to get it then
[11:45] <spiv> I think ubuntu has the 0.8 driver, I might be wrong, though.
[11:46] <Spiritz> Ok
[11:46] <Spiritz> Is speedstep working properly?
[11:46] <spiv> Seems to be.
[11:46] <spiv> My centrino laptop runs a lot slower when I don't have AC power ;)
[11:46] <Spiritz> Sounds good
[11:47] <Spiritz> do you know if it supports ReiserFS partionning?
[11:47] <spiv> I think so, but I don't use it
[11:47] <Lathiat> Spiritz: I would suggest using ext3
[11:48] <Lathiat> Because ive lost too many partitions to resier
[11:48] <Lathiat> ext3 has *never* failed me
[11:48] <Spiritz> Have you been using latest ReiserFs version ? They say it's stable now and really faster than ext3 partitions
[11:49] <Lathiat> Not for a bit but im scarred for life with resier :)
[11:49] <ross> reiser4 is still in testing, right?
[11:49] <Spiritz> No not anymore
[11:49] <Spiritz> It's included as stable in Mdk 10.1 community and Yoper for instance
[11:49] <spiv> It's very much still in testing...
[11:49] <spiv> It's not in the mainline kernel for a reason.
[11:50] <Spiritz> I think if mdk inculuded Reisfer it means that it's close/already ready to be used
[11:50] <ross> well
[11:50] <ross> red hat included gcc "2.96"
[11:50] <spiv> Last I ead, it still hadn't been tested on an arch but i386.
[11:50] <joem> ew reiser4
[11:50] <Lathiat> Spiritz: thats an entirely false asumption
[11:51] <spiv> s/ead/read/
[11:51] <Lathiat> Spiritz: It might work for you, if it does, good
[11:51] <joem> read this(really long) thread and know why most distros won't add reiser4 support
[11:51] <joem> http://www.dragoninc.ca/mail-archives/linux-kernel/2004-08/7191.html
[11:51] <Spiritz> yes.. but anyway, I'll follow your advices and stick with ext3
[11:52] <Spiritz> I guess you know more than me
[11:52] <Lathiat> Spiritz: I mean if you want to thats fine I'm just saying in my experience ext3 is pretty safe and resier has lost me too much stuff
[11:52] <Lathiat> But you know, you could say the same about linux vs windows and stuff
[11:52] <joem> it has ugly bugs from a security and compatibility standpoint
[11:53] <Lathiat> I was just recommending especially if your a newer user, if something goes bung it'l probably be much harder for you to sort out
[11:53] <Lathiat> joem: did you read any of that lovely 1000+ message thread on resier recently?
[11:53] <Lathiat> or is that part of it? :P
[11:53] <Lathiat> hans gets defensive quickly :)
[11:53] <joem> Lathiat, I followed it when it started
[11:53] <joem> after a while I got the point..lots of it is just arguing
[11:54] <Lathiat> joem: i just looked aroudn for posts by hans resier and read aroudn them for amusementvalue
[11:54] <joem> but if you spend 10 minutes starting from the begining, you get whats going on
[11:55] <ik5pvx> I can foresee reiserfs ending the same way as devfs... a good idea done bad...
[11:55] <Lathiat> mm
[11:56] <joem> I don't know if you can call it a good idea when it goes bad from the start
[11:56] <joem> unless you use a very general form of idea
[11:56] <joem> like "lets make a cool file system"
[11:57] <ik5pvx> well at least it looked like a good idea when the whole thing started. At the time ext3 wasn't as stable as now
[11:57] <Iorek> what *I* understand from all that is absolutely nothing
[11:57] <Iorek> everybody could be right as far as I'm concerned :P
[11:57] <joem> :)
[11:57] <Spiritz> sipv : what's your/your gf laptop brand and model?
[12:00] <Lathiat> I'm looking at getting a 1024x768 14.1" Dell Inspiron 510m with DVD Burner, 1GB RAM, 60GB HDD, 2200 wireless -- anyone got any comments on dells/inspiron/510m? (just curious)
[12:01] <petemc> massive
[12:01] <Lathiat> massive?
[12:01] <petemc> yes, inspirons are big ugly laptops
[12:01] <Lathiat> the *ms seem to be fairly small
[12:01] <Lathiat> the nonms are
[12:01] <Lathiat> like the Inspiron 1150
[12:01] <Lathiat> thats chunky chunky
[12:02] <petemc> i use a latitude d400, everything works
[12:02] <petemc> but im getting a powerbook :)
[12:02] <Lathiat> yeh even the modem works i read
[12:02] <Lathiat> scary :)
[12:02] <Lathiat> though the monitor out port needs a bit of software and only does span atm
[12:02] <Lathiat> shame, i really want clone
[12:02] <Lathiat> otherwise everything else works
[12:02] <petemc> i810switch
[12:03] <Lathiat> Yeh but that only does clone doesnt it?
[12:03] <petemc> yup
[12:03] <Lathiat> really want span damnit
[12:03] <Lathiat> it seems like the perfect laptop otherwise
[12:03] <petemc> i think the d600 has a better graphics card, with 2 heads
[12:04] <Lathiat> yeh but its also probably out of my price range
[12:04] <Lathiat> above specced dell is $2200 AUD
[12:04] <Lathiat> thats already pushing it :)
[12:04] <Lathiat> ignoring the ram, im getting that aftermarket
[12:04] <cef> Lathiat: that's not a bad price for what's in it
[12:04] <Lathiat> cef: yeh
[12:04] <Lathiat> its a 1.6GHz centrino too
[12:04] <Lathiat> and hi stuart :)
[12:05] <Lathiat> it might go up to 2500 with the dvdburner
[12:05] <cef> Lathiat: and since I'm in the market for a lappy at about that price.. I'd be interested in how yours goes.. *grin*
[12:05] <Lathiat> seems to be a fre upgrade offer online atm
[12:05] <Lathiat> cef: haha it looks like a really nice laptop, read some stuff off tuxmobile and *everything* works fine :)
[12:05] <Lathiat> which is great
[12:05] <cef> Lathiat: cool.. what video chipset in that?
[12:05] <Lathiat> Intel i810 based i
[12:05] <Lathiat> "Intel Extreme 3" i think
[12:06] <Lathiat> just checking
[12:06] <Lathiat> thing im using now
[12:06] <Lathiat> P266, 192MB RAM
[12:06] <Lathiat> HOT and CHUNKY :P
[12:06] <Lathiat> 6gb hdd
[12:06] <petemc> if i upgrade the bios on my latitude, x stops working
[12:06] <Lathiat> petemc: Are you using that video bios hack?
[12:06] <cef> ahh ok.. cool.. just don't really like the idea of the ATI binary drivers if I'm going to use 'em
[12:06] <petemc> yeah
[12:06] <petemc> 855patch
[12:07] <Lathiat> petemc: i dont think you need that iwth the upgraded bios and maybe thats why its breaking?
[12:07] <Lathiat> cef: well its not ati so :)
[12:07] <petemc> i did try turning it off
[12:07] <petemc> no go
[12:07] <Lathiat> hmm
[12:07] <Lathiat> ooc, how does the windows driver handle that resolution?
[12:07] <Lathiat> does it make a similar hack? :)
[12:07] <cef> Lathiat: yeah.. nvidia I can handle.. I generally don't do 3d, so a lack thereof occasionly is fine by me.. and the nvidia 2d drivers are pretty stable and fairly fast
[12:08] <petemc> not sure what windows does, i do dual boot but rarely bother with windows now
[12:08] <Lathiat> i cant use windows these days
[12:08] <sivang> could anybody tell how would I list files in a package by it's package name after it's installed, rather having the .deb file and dpkg -l on it?
[12:08] <petemc>  -L
[12:08] <Lathiat> im addicted to gnome :)
[12:08] <Lathiat> and linux
[12:08] <cef> I have to.. but only at work..
[12:08] <ik5pvx> dpkg -L packagename
[12:09] <Lathiat> i couldnt stand to use it as my personal machine is really what im getting at but yeh
[12:09] <cef> and even then, it's mainly for mail and the like (no, not outlook thank goodness)
[12:09] <Lathiat> come on beagle
[12:09] <Lathiat> compile damnit
[12:09] <sivang> petemc : Using apt-cache ?
[12:09] <petemc> sivang: dpkg
[12:09] <cef> Lathiat: heh
[12:09] <sivang> dpkg -L _pacakge_name no file?
[12:09] <petemc> sivang: if you want to list the files in packages that arent installed, use apt-file
[12:09] <Lathiat> next step is to make ubuntu packages, thats going to be fun
[12:10] <Lathiat> havent made any debian packages for a while
[12:10] <Lathiat> it seems to have changed a bit
[12:10] <cef> hrm, I gotta find some decent alcohol to send to some tech people in Adelaide
[12:10] <Lathiat> heh
[12:10] <Kamion> Lathiat: not really
[12:10] <Kamion> Lathiat: some people use newer techniques, but the old ones still work
[12:10] <Lathiat> well yeh the newer techniques part i guess
[12:10] <Lathiat> jsut looking at some of the stuff daniels maintains
[12:10] <Lathiat> dbus and the likes
[12:11] <Lathiat> man i keep finding the random packages i want to use
[12:11] <Lathiat> and daniels mainains too many of them :)
[12:11] <cef> Lathiat: heh it's a worry isn't it?
[12:11] <sivang> petemc : I want to list the files on an _installed_ pacakge, not a pkg file.
[12:11] <Lathiat> cef: indeed
[12:11] <petemc> sivang: so use dpkg -L
[12:11] <joolz> anybody know how I can alter mime-types without using the GUI? Which file do i edit?
[12:11] <Lathiat> joolz: why did you badly break something? :)
[12:11] <sivang> petemc : k, thanks
[12:12] <cef> hrm.. bugger it.. I'll just ring kellermiester in SA and get them to send the 'node tech people some booze.. *grin*
[12:12] <joolz> Lathiat: no :)
[12:12] <Iorek> updated everything and now Ubuntu SINGS at me at the logon screen!
[12:12] <Lathiat> my desktop (old gnome 2.6 cvs build) is buggered sftp and links randomly stop working
[12:12] <Iorek> sings better than XP does,but it's still singing
[12:12] <Lathiat> in fact debian on my laptop started doing that to
[12:12] <joolz> Lathiat: i want to create application/x-zope-edit
[12:13] <Lathiat> cef: what i really want to know is what battery life it gets
[12:13] <Iorek> who makes those tunes anyway :P
[12:13] <Lathiat> ubuntu sings at the login screen?
[12:13] <Lathiat> i didnt know that
[12:13] <cef> Lathiat: very good question
[12:13] <Lathiat> joolz: no idea
[12:13] <ik5pvx> Iorek, new stuff added today, can be disabled via computer -> system configuration -> login screen setup
[12:13] <Lathiat> cef: i read 2.5 under windows somewhere
[12:13] <Iorek> ah ;)
[12:13] <Iorek> thanks :P
[12:13] <Lathiat> im gonna get the extra cell battery
[12:13] <Lathiat> plus you can put a battery in the cdrom bay
[12:13] <Lathiat> thatd rock for conferences
[12:13] <Lathiat> modular battery is only ~150 too
[12:13] <cef> Lathiat: nice.. or plane trips
[12:14] <Lathiat> yeh
[12:14] <Lathiat> conferences = plan trip + the conference :)
[12:14] <Lathiat> itd rock for me at school to
[12:14] <Lathiat> but that wont matter after another few weeks :)
[12:14] <Lathiat> finally can get back into hacking some OS stuff
[12:14] <Lathiat> hoping to get my calendar patchinto evo
[12:14] <Lathiat> be nice if i got thebounty for it too
[12:14] <Lathiat> definately be able to get a ncie dell laptop then :)
[12:14] <cef> Lathiat: though for a long plane trip, you want a battery pad like Keith had
[12:15] <Lathiat> cef: yeh i saw those there cool
[12:15] <Lathiat> jamesh had one for his compaq 700
[12:15] <Iorek> ik5pvx: though it's actually rather nice
[12:15] <Lathiat> wonder where you can get them tailered to your laptop voltage
[12:15] <ik5pvx> Iorek, yes, if you listen to it only once :p
[12:15] <Iorek> that's probably the truth :P
[12:16] <Lathiat> cef: dell.com.au lies, you click on the customize & buy of the 510m and the price jumps from 1899 to 2007.50 :P
[12:16] <Lathiat> hmm maybe that includes gst and the other one didnt
[12:16] <petemc> they add in support
[12:16] <cef> Lathiat: you order the voltage and plug type when you buy 'em apparently.. Keith was getting 10+ hrs out of his with the thinkpad (I THINK it was a thinkpad)
[12:16] <Lathiat> cef: thats sweet, any idea how much?
[12:16] <Lathiat> cef: so.. 14.1" @ 1024x768 or 15" @ 1400x1050
[12:16] <Lathiat> pass on the 15" @ 1024x768
[12:17] <Lathiat> thinking the 14 would be nicer, a bit more mobile
[12:17] <sivang> how do I blacklist a module?
[12:17] <Lathiat> rock if they made a 12" version :)
[12:17] <cef> Lathiat: Keith was saying something like $170.. not sure if that was US or AU tho
[12:17] <Lathiat> sivang: /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[12:17] <Lathiat> cef: mm thatd be nice if it was au
[12:17] <Lathiat> still only 240 AUD
[12:18] <Lathiat> which is pretty good
[12:18] <Lathiat> woo beagle finished compiling
[12:19] <Lathiat> cef: also $300 for a 3 year warranty if you want one
[12:19] <Lathiat> might be a good idea
[12:19] <Lathiat> only 1 year limited by default
[12:21] <cef> Lathiat: nice.. I'll definitely have a look-see
[12:21] <Lathiat> cef: 14.1" @ 1024x768, 1.60GHz-M, 256MB, 60GB Drive, DVD Burner, 53Whr Upgraded Battery, $2088.90
[12:21] <cef> ok, outta here ppl.. off to dinner
[12:21] <Treenaks> Lathiat: US$ ?
[12:21] <Lathiat> gonna get 512mb sodim after market, much cheaper off a friend
[12:21] <Lathiat> Treenaks: AU$
[12:21] <cef> pretty sweet.. tho I don't think I'd care about the dvd burner..
[12:22] <Lathiat> 1500USD
[12:22] <Lathiat> cef: well its a free ugprade atm
[12:22] <Lathiat> cef: its +250 normally i think
[12:22] <Treenaks> Lathiat: ah ok.. because I saw a nice wide-screen one with ipw2200 for EUR 2000...
[12:22] <Lathiat> Treenaks: heh
[12:22] <Lathiat> i wouldnt want widescreen tho
[12:22] <Lathiat> i want a small laptop
[12:22] <Lathiat> cef: catcha :)
[12:22] <Treenaks> Lathiat: (that's all I need, ipw2200, wide-screen and not too bulky)
[12:22] <Lathiat> heh
[12:23] <Spiritz> If you want a real laptop, one you'll fall in love with, get a IBM
[12:23] <Lathiat> i need a keybaord shortcut to bring up a run dialog
[12:23] <Lathiat> Spiritz: yeh but they start at like 2800 for a decent one
[12:23] <Lathiat> plus i think theyre ugly
[12:23] <Lathiat> the dells look sexy
[12:24] <Lathiat> but they seem like very nice machines
[12:24] <cef> Lathiat: what model dell was that again?
[12:24] <Lathiat> the X40 and such
[12:24] <Lathiat> cef: 510m
[12:24] <Lathiat> cef: its under the small busines section
[12:24] <Lathiat> not the home bit
[12:24] <Lathiat> on dell.com.au
[12:24] <Treenaks> Spiritz: do they have wide-screen (WXSGA) ones?
[12:24] <Spiritz> You can get good prices on ibm if you're a student or pretend to be a student
[12:24] <Spiritz> No, no wide screen
[12:24] <Treenaks> Spiritz: not even in the T-series?
[12:24] <Spiritz> but 15" with 1400:1050 or 1600x****
[12:24] <Lathiat> Spiritz: im a student, so how much AUD would a similar specced laptop as the above dell be?
[12:25] <Spiritz> I paid mine 1800  for a 1,7 centrio, wifi BG (intel ipw2200), 60 gb, dvdreder (no burner)
[12:25] <Spiritz> awesome screen 1400x1050
[12:25] <cef> Lathiat: inspiron or lattitude?
[12:25] <Lathiat> 1800 us or au?
[12:25] <Lathiat> cef: inspiron
[12:25] <Spiritz> 1800 euros
[12:25] <Spiritz> so us
[12:25] <Lathiat> inspiron 510m
[12:25] <Spiritz> 3 years warranty J+2
[12:26] <Lathiat> see thats $3000 AUD :)
[12:26] <Spiritz> I gotta go, my cours ust finished
[12:26] <Lathiat> 2000 AUd is pushing it for me :)
[12:26] <Spiritz> You should read ibm reviews, they're some awesome
[12:26] <Lathiat> i like the dells :)
[12:26] <Lathiat> heh
[12:26] <Lathiat> i know the ibms are good
[12:26] <Lathiat> lots of peoplehave said good things
[12:27] <Spiritz> Dells laptop looks cheap
[12:27] <Lathiat> (that i know personally, trust their reviews :)
[12:27] <Spiritz> Ibm are unbreakables
[12:27] <sivang> hmmm.. I still have dell problems.
[12:27] <mir> I am concidering to try out ubuntu linux, i have one question before i will try it
[12:27] <Lathiat> Spiritz: i like its look :)
[12:27] <Lathiat> mir: sure
[12:27] <Lathiat> sivang: dell problems/
[12:27] <sivang> mir : go ahead
[12:27] <Spiritz> bye bye
[12:27] <Lathiat> Spiritz: catcha
[12:27] <mir> how is the upgrade to new versions handled?, is it debian easy (apt-get dist-upgrade or alike) or is it FC, MDK hard?
[12:27] <sivang> yes, I have upgraded cleanly to the latest, I have it running with XFS, but Ubuntu is slow to unusable on the machine.
[12:28] <Treenaks> mir: debian-easy
[12:28] <Iorek> it's debian...
[12:28] <sivang> mir : everything you know about debian for upgrades - applies here.
[12:28] <Iorek> Treenaks actually I've been wondering, will be able to update to 4.10 the 28th with apt?
[12:28] <mir> I know it is based on debian, but is it as easy to keep up to date?.. just apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:29] <mir> Nice.. then I will definetly try it out
[12:29] <sivang> mir : actually, as this is a bit more user orient, it should be even easier.
[12:29] <Lathiat> away
[12:30] <sivang> mir : if you are used to using debian unstable, you might recall how sometimes the system break.
[12:30] <mir> sivang: hehe.. yepp I have some nightmare experiances with unstable..
[12:30] <Lathiat> i guess ive been lucky
[12:30] <mir> hope ubuntu is abit more stable dough..
[12:31] <Lathiat> i run unstable on my server and desktop and laptop an dhave NEVER had a problem :)
[12:31] <Lathiat> im running ubuntu on my laptop now
[12:31] <mir> I normally run Debian testing
[12:31] <sivang> mir : which is understandable, as it's a "still in development". However I feel that extra care is taken here to make things less rocky,
[12:31] <Lathiat> havent upgraded my desktoip cus i hardly ever use it and its at home without a net connection
[12:31] <sivang> mir : and if it does happen - you'll be sure it will be fixed swiftly.
[12:31] <cef> Lathiat: hrm.. $2224 for the setup I'm after.. (15" SXGA with 53Wh batt & extra modular battey)
[12:32] <Iorek> so, upgrading to a newer version of Ubunto...possible with apt?
[12:32] <Iorek> grm
[12:32] <Mithrandir> Iorek: ubuntu; yes.
[12:32] <cef> anyway, outta here.. ppl waiting on me for dinner
[12:32] <Iorek> UbuntU of course
[12:32] <Iorek> I always want to spell Ubuntu Ooboontoo :/
[12:32] <Lathiat> cef: yeh not bad eh
[12:32] <Lathiat> cef: if you get it now fre dvd burner :)
[12:33] <Lathiat> damnit beagle backend crashes dashboard
[12:33] <Iorek> Mithrandir thanks :)
[12:33] <sivang> anyway, I have a BAD performance problem on the dell inspiron 8200. Anybody have a clue?
[12:33] <Lathiat> sivang: details....
[12:35] <mir> sivang: Sounds good, I am downloading it right now..
[12:35] <mir> sivang: How is the hardware support?.. is it more automatic than debian?
[12:36] <Mithrandir> mir: yes.
[12:36] <Mithrandir> mir: or, roughly at the same level as you get with sarge, I'd say.
[12:37] <mir> Mithrandir: But its still alot of manual job in sarge.. L
[12:37] <Kamion> depends very much on the device
[12:37] <Mithrandir> mir: oh?  It usually works out of the box for me, at least.
[12:37] <Iorek> only thing I had to take care of was nvidia
[12:37] <Iorek> otherwise, everything worked fine
[12:39] <mir> Mithrandir: Yes it detects most of my hw, but it does not configure it in a way a normal desktop user wants it.. Its ok for me, but I have some friends who like debian, execpt for this problem, they are Windowers.. So it will help them if the the the distro is more desktop friendly... and thats what ubuntu is as far as I have understood.
[12:40] <Iorek> AH, I remember something. Was trying out sound juicer, but when I checked mp3 instead of ogg, it says I don't have the encoder
[12:40] <Mithrandir> mir: the X configuration is improved a fair bit.
[12:40] <Iorek> so how do I get this? :)
[12:40] <mir> Actually I would too like an easier desktop than debian as long as it is based on debian and is compatible.. So I will install it as fast as it is downloaded to try it out
[12:40] <Mithrandir> Iorek: use ogg, it has better quality and is free. :)
[12:41] <mir> On the server there is nothing like debian :-)
[12:41] <Iorek> Mithrandir: I will, but I'd like to have the choice :)
[12:41] <sivang> mir : You might be in for a nice surprise ;)
[12:42] <mir> sivang: Hope in a positive way then :-)
[12:43] <Iorek> a negative nice surprise? ;)
[12:43] <sivang> mir : I hope it also for you, although don't hold my word against me if something goes bad ;-) , k?
[12:43] <sivang> mir : after all it's "NO WARRANTY OF ANY KIND FOR ANY SPECIFIC PURPOSE"... :-)
[12:44] <sivang> mir : as with most open source software, and somehow they tend to be much better than the _other_other_ white os meat..:-)
[12:44] <sivang> and = however
[12:46] <CortoMaltese> hi
[12:46] <CortoMaltese> i'd like to try ubuntu... should i use the PR ISO or the daily one?
[12:47] <Iorek> *scratches head* if during installation you download all the newest packages, is there a difference?
[12:47] <CortoMaltese> you're right
[12:47] <CortoMaltese> but that's 200 MB of packaged
[12:47] <CortoMaltese> but that's 200 MB of packages
[12:48] <carlos> yes, sometimes there is a difference
[12:48] <carlos> about installer fixes and things like that
[12:48] <Iorek> ah :)
[12:49] <CortoMaltese> let's hope daily shots aren't buggier than the first PR :)
[12:50] <CortoMaltese> anyway... wow, great distro
[12:50] <CortoMaltese> my homemate is using it
[12:50] <CortoMaltese> and i think i'll probably erase my 2 years gentoo to try Ubuntu
[12:50] <CortoMaltese> :
[12:51] <fabbione> Treenaks: you around?
[12:51] <Iorek> I WANTED to use gentoo...but I don't think I will now...this is much too good...
[12:53] <CortoMaltese> i'm spreading the word about Ubuntu in my university
[12:54] <CortoMaltese> we're 4 already :D
[12:54] <mjr> I recommended it in our university-local linux group
[12:54] <housetier> indeed ubuntu is a Good Thing (tm) to have
[12:54] <mjr> (newsgroup, that is)
[12:55] <Iorek> I'm still at the point where I have to explain what linux is :/
[12:56] <Iorek> got my stepdaughter to use Suse, she told that to one of her teachers at school..."Linux? ah yes, but that's GREY, isn't it? It's all GREY."
[12:56] <CortoMaltese> ahahahaha
[12:56] <Iorek> and she's using SUSE...sometimes I wonder why the colours don't blind her
[12:56] <Iorek> she seems to like it that way ;)
[12:57] <Iorek> so no, I'm not converting people to Ubuntu just yet :p
[12:58] <CortoMaltese> anyway i think it should fit to a complete newbie
[12:58] <Iorek> it doesn't have BreakOut > daughter wouldn't want it
[12:58] <Iorek> sometimes it's as simple as that ;)
[12:59] <zenwhen> I would have converted if it werent for the issues in this thread: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=96509133&m=608009566631
[01:01] <Iorek> certainly the start of that thread is interesting anough...
[01:01] <Iorek> enough
[01:08] <zenwhen> lol
[01:11] <lonewolff> afternoon all, i wonder if anyone can help me, i cant print from ubuntu
[01:12] <Treenaks> fabbione: yes
[01:26] <fabbione> Treenaks: are you in front of your computer with the silicon card?
[01:30] <Treenaks> fabbione: no, it decided to lose network connectivity too (unrelated reason)
[01:30] <fabbione> Treenaks: ack
[01:30] <Treenaks> oh wait
[01:30] <Treenaks> it does have network
[01:30] <Treenaks> (it didn't have network 3 hours ago)
[01:31] <fabbione> well i need you to reproduce the crash, so i guess you can't do it from remote
[01:31] <Treenaks> uh maybe
[01:32] <fabbione> Treenaks: do you have console framebuffer enabled?
[01:32] <Treenaks> fabbione: uh.. is it enabled by default?
[01:32] <fabbione> Treenaks: or UseFBdev "yes" or something?
[01:33] <Treenaks> I can remotely reproduce the crash using chvt btw..
[01:33] <fabbione> Treenaks: it shouldn't
[01:33] <fabbione> Treenaks: ah cool
[01:33] <Treenaks> fabbione: I don't have UseFBdev in my X config (I answered 'no' to the debconf question about framebuffers)
[01:33] <tseng> Lathiat: afaik it just needs the dbus-sharp binding to be built
[01:34] <fabbione> Treenaks: i need you to gdb again and set a breakpoint on fbBlt
[01:34] <tseng> Lathiat: also the patch is wrong, I figured out the proper way
[01:34] <fabbione> Treenaks: but i don't know how long time it will take to debug
[01:34] <linux_mafia> tseng - all members of voltron are here
[01:34] <fabbione> Treenaks: you will have to go into that function step by step for "N" amount of times
[01:34] <tseng> linux_mafia: ok.
[01:35] <fabbione> Treenaks: where N is a totally unknown value for me
[01:35] <linux_mafia> tseng - never mind ;)
[01:35] <Treenaks> fabbione: and you want to know the moment it crashes?
[01:35] <fabbione> Treenaks: i need to see what causes the crash
[01:36] <Treenaks> fabbione: OK, I'll see what I can do
[01:36] <fabbione> it's the only function called before both the crashes
[01:36] <fabbione> Treenaks: it's a pain the butt to test it
[01:36] <fabbione> but if you can reproduce it in one go using chvt
[01:36] <fabbione> than it will be relatively simple
[01:37] <Treenaks> fabbione: invoke-rc.d gdm start; chvt 1 <wait for aplay to show up (playing the 'you may now login' sound)>, chvt 7 -> boom
[01:38] <fabbione> Treenaks: ok.. i just don't know how many times that function is called
[01:38] <fabbione> that means that you might have to go trough it several times before it crashes
[01:39] <fabbione> and the funny thing is that i am not even sure why it's called
[01:39] <fabbione> considering that it's only inside the fb driver for X
[01:39] <Treenaks> fabbione: strange..
[01:41] <Treenaks> fabbione: my X log says this:
[01:41] <Treenaks> (==) Silicon Motion(0): DPI set to (75, 75)
[01:41] <Treenaks> (II) Loading sub module "fb"
[01:41] <Treenaks> (II) LoadModule: "fb"
[01:41] <Treenaks> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a
[01:41] <Treenaks> (why is DPI 75,75? that's wrong.. should figure that out separately)
[01:41] <fabbione> Treenaks: yes please.. one thing at a time :-)
[01:42] <Treenaks> fabbione: but anyway.. module "fb" is loaded by siliconmotion
[01:43] <fabbione> Treenaks: ok..
[01:43] <fabbione> i am trying to figure out who is calling fbBlt
[01:43] <Treenaks> I think
[01:43] <fabbione> i am up to the XAA layer now
[01:43] <Treenaks> NoAccel doesn't make a difference..
[01:43] <Treenaks> I tried
[01:44] <fabbione> nahh i am trying to understand what calls fbBtl going trough the stack of 200000 layers
[01:47] <fabbione>        Option "ShadowFB" "boolean"
[01:47] <fabbione> Treenaks: did you try that option?
[01:49] <Treenaks> fabbione: not yet, but I have a crash line number for you
[01:49] <Treenaks> 272     in fbblt.c
[01:49] <Treenaks> (using step)
[01:50] <fabbione> ooooooohhhh key
[01:50] <fabbione>                     FbDoLeftMaskByteMergeRop (dst, bits, startbyte, startmask);
[01:51] <fabbione> Treenaks
[01:51] <fabbione> exit gdb
[01:51] <Treenaks> should I have done 'next' instead of 'step' ?
[01:51] <Treenaks> ok
[01:51] <fabbione> and set a break point to that funciont
[01:51] <fabbione> FbDoLeftMaskByteMergeRop
[01:51] <fabbione> otherwise gimme access and i will do it myself ;)
[01:52] <Treenaks> fabbione: I know how it works :)
[01:52] <fabbione> ok..
[01:52] <Treenaks> rinse, repeat until you hit a call to libc :)
[01:53] <fabbione> than you can help me just doing:
[01:53] <fabbione> apt-get source xfree86
[01:53] <fabbione> cd xfree86-<tab>
[01:53] <fabbione> fakeroot make -f debian/rules setup
[01:53] <fabbione> cd build-tree/xc
[01:53] <fabbione> and send me a patch when you have done ;)
[01:54] <fabbione> or send me that damn card
[01:54] <Treenaks> fabbione: it's a laptop :)
[01:54] <fabbione> or gimme your bank account number.. i can send you 10 Euros for an ATI or something :P
[01:54] <Treenaks> fabbione: but anyway -- FbDoLeftMaskByteMergeRop seems to be a macro or something.. there's no function by that name
[01:55] <fabbione> #define FbDoLeftMaskByteMergeRop(dst, src, lb, l) { \
[01:55] <fabbione>     FbBits  __xor = ((src) & _ca2) ^ _cx2; \
[01:55] <fabbione>     FbDoLeftMaskByteRRop(dst,lb,l,((src) & _ca1) ^ _cx1,__xor); \
[01:55] <fabbione> }
[01:55] <fabbione> yeah it's a macro
[01:56] <fabbione> #define FbDoMaskRRop(dst, and, xor, mask) \
[01:56] <fabbione>     (((dst) & ((and) | ~(mask))) ^ (xor & mask))
[01:56] <fabbione> and it ends here
[01:56] <fabbione> (after 5 bunches all over the code)
[01:56] <Treenaks> which is just bit magic
[01:57] <Treenaks> s/magic/twiddling
[01:58] <bender> hi! i have a rought time making gdm using XDMCP. event tho it's checked in the gdm configuration, i can't connect to the box with it.
[01:59] <fabbione> Treenaks: i am double checking.. just to be sure i didn't miss anything
[02:00] <Treenaks> fabbione: I'm getting the source
[02:01] <fabbione> Treenaks: at which depth is the frambuffer initialized?
[02:01] <fabbione> 16 bits?
[02:01] <Treenaks> fabbione: X frame buffer?
[02:01] <fabbione> yeah
[02:01] <fabbione> what is the depth of the screen?
[02:01] <Treenaks> fabbione: uh.. I run X at 24 bits, but the crash is reproducable at 16 bits as well
[02:01] <fabbione> 24 or 16 bits?
[02:01] <fabbione> HMMMMMM
[02:02] <fabbione> at 24 bits it should be calling fbblt24
[02:02] <Treenaks> shall I try at 8?
[02:02] <fabbione> and not fbblt
[02:02] <Treenaks> fabbione: maybe fbblt24 is an a macro as well?
[02:02] <fabbione> could be
[02:03] <Treenaks> argh, need build-deps as well
[02:04] <fabbione> Treenaks: no if you want only the source
[02:06] <Treenaks> fabbione: it needs at least dbs and build-essential to unpack I guess
[02:06] <fabbione> yes
[02:06] <fabbione> otherwise you can do it manually
[02:06] <fabbione> untar the thing
[02:06] <Treenaks> it's already running..
[02:06] <fabbione> ok
[02:07] <Treenaks> yay for uncapped ADSL :)
[02:07] <fabbione> ehhe
[02:08] <Treenaks> wait a minute.. kernel module vesafb is loaded..
[02:08] <Treenaks> I'll unload that..
[02:08] <fabbione> HMMM
[02:10] <Treenaks> fabbione: still crashes
[02:11] <lypanov> anyone know how to compile qt using programs on ubuntu?
[02:11] <lypanov> e.g, kde :)
[02:12] <fabbione> lypanov: it's enough to enable universe archive in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:12] <jdub> lypanov: you can install kde from universe
[02:12] <fabbione> Treenaks: ok :(
[02:12] <lypanov> want to compile...
[02:12] <lypanov> 3.3.x
[02:13] <jdub> lypanov: you might want to check out jriddell's repository
[02:13] <jdub> lypanov: might be mentioned on the wiki, definitely mentioned on the mailing list
[02:13] <lypanov> still... need to compile
[02:13] <lypanov> so no repo is really gonna help
[02:13] <Riddell> someone called?
[02:13] <jdub> look at that
[02:13] <jdub> it's the man :)
[02:13] <lypanov> why on earth didn't gaim complete Riddell...
[02:14] <lypanov> Riddell: you happen to know the ./configure line to get kde to actually see my qt install?
[02:14] <Riddell> lypanov: no, it's always just worked for me, where is your qt install?
[02:15] <lypanov> argh
[02:15] <jdub> heh
[02:15] <jdub> "not installed" ;)
[02:15] <lypanov> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[02:15] <lypanov>   libqt3-mt-dev
[02:15] <lypanov> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[02:15] <lypanov>   libqt3-dev
[02:16] <Riddell> I should make a KDE page on the wiki
[02:16] <lypanov> i hate the devel seperation in debian/ubuntu its wasted me crap loads of time
[02:16] <lypanov> Riddell: that would rock :)
[02:16] <Treenaks> fabbione: doesn't upstream have any clue (the bug is still present in xorg..)
[02:17] <lypanov> upstream never has a clue :)
[02:17] <jdub> Riddell: probably best to start off on UniverseProposals
[02:17] <lypanov> yay. compile bitch compile
[02:17] <lypanov> thx Riddell / jdub / fabbione
[02:18] <Riddell> lypanov: all distributions separate devel and non devel for libraries, saves disk space
[02:19] <lypanov> still i'd love an option "-imadevel" that would just *always* install the -dev versions
[02:19] <housetier> I thought that's what gentoo was created for
[02:21] <lypanov> housetier: shame that i just don't have the cpu power to run it anymore
[02:22] <CortoMaltese> lypanov: that's why i'm moving to ubuntu from gentoo too :(
[02:22] <lypanov> CortoMaltese: sucks :(
[02:22] <lypanov> ubuntu is *just* good enough though
[02:23] <lypanov> so nm
[02:23] <CortoMaltese> are you already using it?
[02:23] <fabbione> Treenaks: the fb stuff in xorg is older than the one we have now
[02:24] <fabbione> Treenaks: and there are a few changes on the siliconmotion driver to use different XAA extensions
[02:24] <fabbione> Treenaks: updating the driver itself is not enough
[02:24] <fabbione> Treenaks: you need to greb the xaa stuff and the fb stuff too to be sure 100%
[02:24] <Treenaks> fabbione: I tried by compiling xorg from source
[02:24] <Treenaks> fabbione: all of it
[02:24] <fabbione> Treenaks: and did you run xorg or only took the driver?
[02:25] <Treenaks> xorg
[02:25] <Treenaks> I ran all of xorg
[02:25] <fabbione> ol
[02:25] <fabbione> ok
[02:25] <fabbione> than there is nothing i can check.. we will have to open a bug upstream
[02:25] <Treenaks> OK
[02:25] <fabbione> for your testing i understood that you only used the driver
[02:27] <fabbione> anyway i am off for the weekend
[02:27] <fabbione> Treenaks: thanks a lot for your tests
[02:27] <fabbione> Treenaks: whatever you figure out just add it to the bug
[02:27] <fabbione> monday i will push the bug upstream
[02:27] <fabbione> or bug daniels to do so ;)
[02:28] <Treenaks> fabbione: OK :)
[02:28] <Treenaks> fabbione: have a nice weekend
[02:28] <fabbione> thanks you too
[02:28] <fabbione> i might pass by once in a while ;)
[02:45] <jacob> Is upgrading from the Warty pre-release to the real version supported/supposed to work flawlessly ?
[02:47] <cujosuperfly> jdub - remember me?  i was having problems with the touchpad
[02:47] <Treenaks> jacob: just keep upgrading daily..
[02:47] <Kamion> jacob: yes
[02:48] <jacob> Treenaks, Kamion, great, ill install it then right away
[02:48] <cujosuperfly> i just removed the synaptic entry from the the XFConfig file.  I dont know yet if there are any major disadvantages, but firefox is usable now
[02:49] <Iorek> right away? I thought it was out the 28th
[02:49] <jordi> Iorek: there are tests cd's
[02:51] <Iorek> oh, those :)
[02:51] <Iorek> well, I update weekly
[02:51] <Baumi> hi, is the LIRC module included in ubuntu?
[02:54] <mir> How is Ubuntu compared to Mepis ?..
[02:54] <mir> Anyone knows?
[02:54] <cujosuperfly> mir - just basically?
[02:55] <Baumi> i tryed mepis today.. it didnt start ;-)
[02:55] <mir> Yepp.. I know that Mepis is KDE and Ubuntu is GNOME (by default).. Thats why I want to try Ubuntu I like gnome, are there other differences.. on a general level
[02:56] <cujosuperfly> mepis is kde-happy and last i checked, cost money.  i played with it about say 6 months ago, and it wasn't too shabby.
[02:56] <igo1> does anyone know how to get write privileges on a ntfs partition? i think my fstab is okay
[02:57] <Iorek> you need extra soft for that
[02:57] <igo1> which soft?
[02:58] <mir> cujosuperfly: Hmm.. I Think it is free... or they have a free version ?.. The reviews about it are very good, execpt for that it is KDE and I just cant stand KDE
[02:58] <Iorek> no idea, but a quick search on linuxquestions.org should give you soem answers :)
[03:01] <jacob> Is there a package list of what is on the cd ?
[03:01] <Mirno> mir,   are you the owner of that nick ?
[03:02] <mir> Mirno: Yes
[03:02] <Mirno> mir,   'k
[03:02] <mir> Mirno: Its our family name
[03:02] <Mirno> mir,   My name is Mironov ..
[03:02] <Mirno> mir,   mdr
[03:02] <Mirno> s/mdr/lol/
[03:03] <Mirno> mir,  I used to use that nick, but somebody registered it ;( hh
[03:03] <Mirno> mir,   bah, nevermind
[03:03] <mir> Mirno: I have been using it for at least hmm.. 10 years?
[03:04] <Mirno> I used it a long time ago.
[03:04] <Mirno> few years, not 10
[03:04] <mir> :-).. I registered it for maybee 2 years ago in this net
[03:04] <Iorek> Mirno,: ah, Dutch mumbo Jumbo ;)
[03:04] <cujosuperfly> anyone have problems installing tetex-doc and/or tetex-extra?  synaptic can't find them
[03:04] <Mirno> lypanov,   it means Mort De Rire in french, litterally dead of fun ....
[03:05] <mir> Oki. I have downloaded Ubuntu, and burned so I am going to reboot now, and install it.. wish be luck... see u later
[03:05] <Mirno> good luck
[03:05] <cujosuperfly> i stand corrected on the mepis thing.  they have free versions.  last time i was there i just noticed the pay ones.
[03:05] <Iorek> but it's KDE
[03:05] <afonit> cujosuperfly:  go into your synaptic preferences and check the other repositories, then youw ill see it
[03:06] <cujosuperfly> afonit  - they are all checked except for the cdrom one.  i dont have the cd with me
[03:07] <yyc747> is ubuntu free-software-only?
[03:07] <lypanov> Mirno: "death from laughing" right?
[03:08] <Mirno> lypanov,   yep
[03:08] <yyc747> how much of a pain is it to set up non-free? (option in installer, uncommenting lines, or what)?
[03:08] <lypanov> it always makes me grin :)
[03:08] <Mirno> lypanov,   hehe
[03:08] <lypanov> and i don't even speak french :P
[03:08] <lypanov> those must be the words i know :P
[03:08] <Iorek> it beats "rolling over the floor laughing"
[03:08] <lypanov> yup
[03:08] <Iorek> I mean, imagine that
[03:09] <lypanov> but rotflmao is funny :)
[03:09] <Iorek> has anybody ever in the history of man rolled over the floor laughing?
[03:09] <Mirno> lypanov,   bah English speaking people usuallyu don't even bother speaking other languages than there's ...
[03:09] <Iorek> klopt :p
[03:09] <lypanov> ja zeker wel
[03:09] <lypanov> :P
[03:09] <Iorek> hola!
[03:09] <Mirno> lypanov,   Ny y po rouski toje ?
[03:09] <lypanov> como estas?
[03:09] <Treenaks> lypanov: Help! Nog iemand die Nederlands spreekt :P
[03:09] <lypanov> nyet or whatever it is
[03:10] <Mirno> ptdr
[03:10] <Mirno> oops
[03:10] <lypanov> Mirno: i'm half dutch half english
[03:10] <lypanov> Treenaks: hehe. mooi zo :P
[03:10] <Iorek> al mijn vragen in het Engels en blijkt heel het kanaal Nederlandstalig
[03:10] <lypanov> hehe
[03:10] <Iorek> kom da tegen
[03:10] <afonit> if anyone in here uses inkscape, do you know how to insert a bullet?
[03:10] <Mirno> ptdr = would be more like Farting of Laughting ...
[03:10] <lypanov> Mirno: lol
[03:10] <Mirno> Pt De Rire
[03:10] <Mirno> hihi
[03:10] <Iorek> "het" account doesn't seem right
[03:11] <kez> hi :)
[03:11] <Treenaks> Iorek: translating "account" as "rekening" is not entirely correct either
[03:11] <lypanov> Iorek: kspreek nederlands maar 3 jaartjes dus voeg ik tje na gewoon alles dan is alles gewoon een hetje :P
[03:11] <Iorek> *plat*
[03:11] <Mirno> well Pter de rire would be Farting of Laughting .. but Pt de rire would be more like .. uh .. stone (or whatsoever you call it when ya had drugs or beeing drunk) of laughting
[03:11] <lypanov> hehe
[03:12] <lypanov> Iorek: kheb ut van mn 13 jaar oud nichtje geleerd :P
[03:12] <Iorek> goeie leraar precies ;)
[03:12] <lypanov> :P
[03:12] <lypanov> 'eeeel goede eigenlijk ben best blij ermeej :>
[03:13] <Iorek> maar "ut" is wel iets typisch 13-jarig meisje ja...:P
[03:13] <lypanov> :P
[03:13] <Treenaks> Iorek: ermeej ook :)
[03:13] <lypanov> egt ook tog? :P
[03:13] <kelvin> anybody out there using wifi?
[03:13] <kelvin> my wireless was working fine until last night
[03:13] <lypanov> kvind ut wel vet dat ik zo makkelijk net als een 13 jarig meisje kan doen hihi
[03:13] <kelvin> when I did an apt-get upgrade
[03:14] <Iorek> lypanov: yeah, alle pedofielen van heel het internet achter uw gat :P
[03:14] <lypanov> haha
[03:14] <lypanov> kut dan kap ik ermeej :P
[03:14] <Iorek> ghaaa! You suddenly aged at least ten years!
[03:14] <lypanov> lol
[03:14] <Treenaks> kelvin: yes, it works fine for me.. what kind of wifi card do you have?
[03:14] <lypanov> mdr
[03:14] <kelvin> an smc 11g-card
[03:14] <plovs_work> lypanov, misschien moeten we dit kanaal #ubuntu-nl noemen?
[03:14] <lypanov> hehe
[03:14] <kelvin> Treenaks, it was working fine
[03:14] <Treenaks> kelvin: that works for me...
[03:15] <lypanov> pourquoi non?
[03:15] <kelvin> when was the last time you did an apt-get upgrade?
[03:15] <Iorek> btw, seems like an mp3 encoder isn't installed...at least sound juicer tells me so
[03:15] <lypanov> Iorek: OGGGGG :P
[03:15] <lypanov> Iorek: else lame is 1337
[03:15] <Iorek> neenee
[03:15] <Treenaks> ok.. #ubuntu-nl exists
[03:15] <Iorek> ogg kan wel beter zijn
[03:15] <kelvin> Treenaks, are you using the same card?
[03:16] <Iorek> en lame zit nie in ubuntu repo
[03:16] <Iorek> enfin...ogg it is :P
[03:16] <Treenaks> kelvin: yes, SMC 11G card
[03:16] <Treenaks> kelvin: pcmcia
[03:16] <lypanov> ohja geen lame snie leuk he
[03:16] <kelvin> Treenaks, me too
[03:16] <kelvin> Treenaks, when was the last time you did an apt-get upgrade?
[03:16] <Treenaks> kelvin: this morning
[03:16] <kelvin> ok
[03:17] <Treenaks> kelvin: but I have some trouble connecting to my wifi laptop now yes
[03:17] <fridge> hi, can anyone give me the right dev= line for a IDE burner for cdrecord? I can't seem to get it right
[03:17] <Treenaks> it worked for a while
[03:17] <Treenaks> argh!
[03:17] <Treenaks> fridge: dev=/dev/hdwhatever (where whatever is the name of your CD-burner)
[03:17] <plovs_work> fridge, /dev/hdc /dev/hdd, look into /etc/fstab
[03:18] <fridge> ahh
[03:18] <kelvin> doesn't cdrecord auto-scan for burners?
[03:18] <fridge> I was trying all sorts of stuff with ATAPI:
[03:19] <plovs_work> kelvin, ide-scsi , not 2.6 ide stuff
[03:19] <kelvin> ah
[03:20] <fridge> Treenaks, plovs_work thanks
[03:22] <fridge> I think I've done it 3 different ways now
[03:22] <fridge> in debian it started with the IDE-SCSI module
[03:22] <fridge> then started using ATAPI: prefix
[03:22] <fridge> now its direct to the block device
[03:22] <stianh> Ubuntu is nice :D
[03:22] <stianh> Thumbs up :)
[03:23] <plovs_work> fridge, waiting to get rid of cdrecord
[03:24] <Iorek> actually, does something like K3b for Gnome exist?
[03:25] <deFrysk> gcombust
[03:25] <kelvin> Iorek: nothing good... :-)
[03:25] <Iorek> heh, thought so
[03:25] <kelvin> so far, nautilus-cd-burner has worked incredibly well for me
[03:25] <deFrysk> nothing like nautilus for iso-burning though
[03:26] <deFrysk> kelvin, agree
[03:26] <plovs_work> Iorek, xcdroast, but not as good
[03:26] <kelvin> xcdroast has the worst UI in the universe
[03:26] <kelvin> hate it.
[03:26] <plovs_work> deFrysk, you can burn an iso from nautilus, or that is not what you meant?
[03:26] <deFrysk> plovs_work, yup
[03:26] <Treenaks> plovs_work: you can burn ISOs but also make CDs with files
[03:27] <kelvin> apparently, rhythmbox cvs can burn audio cd's
[03:27] <Treenaks> all n-c-b needs is audio CD burning capabilities
[03:27] <kelvin> by using n-c-b as a backend
[03:27] <Treenaks> (using gstreamer to convert everything of course)
[03:27] <Iorek> just trying to figure out HOW you'd burn cds with nautilus cd burner :P
[03:27] <Treenaks> and video CD/DVD support
[03:27] <deFrysk> gnome2.10 wil be great
[03:27] <deFrysk> with cool new stuff
[03:27] <Treenaks> Iorek: check out the Places menu
[03:28] <pitti> Iorek: insert a blank cd, or right-click on an ISO and select "burn"
[03:28] <kelvin> Treenaks, is your wifi working or not?  :-)
[03:28] <plovs_work> just but overburning to on in config editor
[03:28] <kelvin> I'm on wired atm
[03:28] <pitti> Iorek: or select it from Places, yes
[03:28] <jovian> how can I install a package from the harddrive?
[03:28] <plovs_work> if the cd is too big
[03:28] <Treenaks> kelvin: uh it seems to be doing weird stuff now, but it worked before
[03:28] <pitti> jovian: dpkg -i foo.deb
[03:28] <kelvin> ok
[03:28] <deFrysk> dpkg -i <file>
[03:28] <jovian> thanks pitti and deFrysk
[03:29] <stianh> I like Ubuntu so much right now, that I am thinking of putting it on my laptop, does anyone have any experience with Ubuntu on laptops?
[03:29] <AndersAA> stianh: works great on my laptop
[03:30] <Treenaks> stianh: I do, works great
[03:30] <pantz> hi ubuntu-ers - i just updated with synaptic and it installed a new version of 'hal' - but with a slip of my finger i said no to accepting the new config file
[03:30] <AndersAA> detected all my hardware fine too
[03:30] <kelvin> stianh, I run it on my laptop right now
[03:30] <plovs_work> deFrysk, what will be new in 2.10?
[03:30] <stianh> AndersAA, Treenaks: cool :=)
[03:30] <pantz> i reinstalled hal to try to get the option of accepting the new config file but it didn't prompt me on reinstall
[03:30] <Kamion> pantz: the new one should be in /etc/wherever.dpkg-new
[03:30] <pantz> any ideas on how i can use the new one
[03:30] <pantz> Kamion: thanks
[03:30] <stianh> still, I'll keep it running on my desktop for a few days before I put it on my laptop :)
[03:31] <Iorek> grm so much for drag n drop...nautilus would be so much easier if there was a twin window option somewhere :P
[03:31] <Treenaks> Iorek: twin window option?
[03:31] <Iorek> yeah
[03:31] <Iorek> commander style
[03:31] <Iorek> (that sounded cool)
[03:31] <Treenaks> Iorek: oh of course..
[03:32] <Treenaks> metacity needs focus work first..
[03:32] <Iorek> I want nautilus to improve, COMMANDER STYLE!
[03:32] <Treenaks> Iorek: 8)
[03:32] <ross> Lord_Shadow: use gnome-commander
[03:32] <Iorek> it's not in the ubuntu repo, and getting it in universe requires a shitload of packages to be changed
[03:33] <pantz> Kamion: any idea how to restart hal?
[03:34] <carlos> Kamion: do we have a cd check option with the installer?
[03:34] <Kamion> pantz: /etc/init.d/hal restart or similar, I guess
[03:35] <jdub> nup not anymore
[03:35] <jdub> you just restart d-bus
[03:35] <Kamion> carlos: yes, either (boot in expert mode, or go back to the main menu), then 'check CD-ROM integrity'
[03:35] <pantz> Kamion: just found it - yeah it was d-bus
[03:35] <pantz> names were close :/   NOT
[03:36] <carlos> Kamion: a user says that the installer fails always installing a package, so I'm thinking on redirect to the CDROM check dialog
[03:36] <carlos> Kamion: thanks
[03:36] <Kamion> carlos: yes, likely a duff CD
[03:38] <font_> hi all, what to do if i find a specific manpage is not up to date?
[03:38] <Kamion> file a bug
[03:38] <font_> ok
[03:41] <ploum> Hi
[03:41] <ploum> Is there an easy way to convert a Debian into Ubuntu without reinstalling all ?
[03:41] <seb128> you can pin warty > 1000 and dist-upgrade
[03:42] <seb128> but that's not == a fresh install
[03:42] <ross> personally i recommend a fresh install
[03:42] <ross> much nicer
[03:42] <seb128> me too
[03:42] <ross> only takes 20 minutes
[03:42] <ploum> well, I think I will do this for my mother
[03:42] <ploum> simply keeping her "/home" (on another partition)
[03:43] <ploum> But she have a wireless cards no supported under Linux (and I've bought a Linuxant wrapper)
[03:46] <joolz> i have a notebook (asus a2500) which now dual boots fc2 and win2k. Should I expect any problems when I remove fc2 and install ubuntu instead?
[03:46] <Treenaks> joolz: o
[03:46] <Treenaks> no
[03:46] <joolz> Treenaks: that's the right answer :) Thanks
[03:46] <Iorek> joolz yes.  OK, that's it, no ubuntu then :)
[03:47] <Iorek> OTHER people's valuable objects
[03:47] <Iorek> it's an extra reason
[03:47] <joolz> hehe
[03:48] <Iorek> we're all getting rich very fast lately
[03:48] <joolz> IIRC there were grub issues when dual booting with win2k. So ubuntu doesn't have these?
[03:49] <Iorek> not to my knowledge. Maybe someone else knows?
[03:50] <jono> hi all
[03:51] <|trey|> joolz: yes, its an upstream bug for grub... appears to be fixed though... I don't use Winblows, so I couldn't tell you for sure...
[03:53] <|trey|> Just out of curiosity, who is doing the Ubuntu artwork?
[03:53] <|trey|> (namely the icons etc)
[03:54] <joolz> |trey|: maybe I'll give it a go this weekend on the notebook. I'll let you guys know how it went.
[03:55] <|trey|> joolz: sounds good... if you have problems, make sure to file bugs about it...
[03:57] <ploum> f*** connection !!
[03:57] <Iorek> oy!
[03:57] <ploum> Sorry, I don't know if you've seen my previous messages and if you have replied
[03:58] <Iorek> I resent that!
[03:58] <ploum> I was talking alone for a while (my ISP change my IP every 20minutes and the modem is not aware that the IP has changed)
[04:01] <joolz> Treenaks: Belgium: the Canada of Europe :)
[04:03] <Iorek> klein beetje kleiner...:)
[04:03] <ploum> Yes, belgian jokes are very popular..
[04:03] <ploum> because even non-belgian undestand it
[04:04] <joolz> ploum: I don't get it (maarja, k ben dan ook maar een nederlandse limburger :)
[04:06] <togs> are people answering questions today? :)
[04:06] <Kamion> that depends on the question. :)
[04:06] <togs> heh, I guess so
[04:06] <joolz> togs: if someone answered that with "no", it would mean "yes", no?
[04:07] <ploum> joolz, we zijn misschien klein, maar we hebben drie taalen en dat is een beetje moielijk voor mij ;)
[04:07] <togs> just that the pretty login screen won't come up any more, i just updated Ubuntu, and I have to type startx to get GNOME up
[04:07] <togs> joolz, I don't understand
[04:07] <joolz> ploum: inderdaad. Ik hier maar een paar, PHP, plpgsql en bash-script :)
[04:08] <togs> if you mean that I would've asked anyway, well, you'd be wrong :)
[04:08] <ploum> joolz, php and bash script zijn niet officieel taalen in belgie :-)   (maar een dag misschien, ik hope zo ;) )
[04:09] <joolz> ploum: :)
[04:10] <joolz> togs: you asked "are questions being answered?". That's a question, so if an answer came (regardless what it was) the answer would be yes.
[04:10] <togs> ah, I gotcha
[04:10] <Iorek> *gniffel :P
[04:11] <ploum> That's the story of the advocate with a panel saying : "I answer two questions for 1000$, you can ask whatever you want"
[04:11] <ploum> And the guy talk to the advocate and ask : "do you really answer any questions for 1000$ ?"
[04:12] <ploum> "Yes, and now what's your second question ?"
[04:12] <togs> heh :)
[04:13] <Iorek> obvious :)
[04:13] <togs> I'm gonna try a full reboot. wish me luck :P
[04:16] <WW_> Whenever I boot, I get kernel messages (errors?) about hw_random.  Can I get rid of these somehow?
[04:16] <togs> yeah, that fixed it, sorry for asking a pointless question
[04:17] <togs> guess I shoulda tried a full reboot first :)
[04:18] <WW_> Is hw_random a kernel module?  Could I just put it in the blacklist?
[04:18] <Treenaks> WW_: why would you do that?
[04:19] <WW_> Because I get errors whenever I boot, saying it failed.
[04:19] <joolz> WW_: same here, don't know what it is
[04:20] <lypanov> apt-get install kdelibs4-dev
[04:20] <lypanov> erm
[04:20] <lypanov> kdelibs-dev even
[04:20] <lypanov> didn't work
[04:20] <lypanov> i had to run it twice :)
[04:20] <joolz> btw, I have 1gb ram, I read somewhere that U supports only 800mb (something like that). I'm running the default kernel now... Will that cause any problems?
[04:20] <togs> i get an error about some PCMIA socket not working, using yenta instead or something like that, when i boot, it doesn't seem to hurt it though :)
[04:21] <WW_> togs: I get that too.
[04:22] <WW_> joolz: You can access the full gig by using the -686 kernel instead of -386.
[04:22] <togs> WW_, does it worry your install at all? I don't even know what it is :)
[04:22] <joolz> WW_: ok, tx
[04:22] <Treenaks> togs: it's just n informational message
[04:22] <Ex-Cyber> joolz: my memory's a bit fuzzy on this but I think the normal kernel cap is 960MB and it'll work fine but you won't be able to use the full 1GB
[04:22] <Treenaks> yenta is the better driver anyway 8)
[04:22] <togs> is there a way to view a logof the startup messages?
[04:23] <WW_> togs: I think there were some ubuntu devs talking ubuntu trying to run pcmcia stuff on a desktop.  I thought that eventually the yenta stuff would get fixed, but not yet.
[04:24] <togs> meh, i dunno
[04:25] <joolz> sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 wants to install lilo ???
[04:25] <joolz> weird
[04:25] <togs> as long as the updates don't bust anything, i'm happy :)
[04:25] <WW_> togs: I just reread what I wrote.  That wasn't too clear!  My understanding is that ubuntu tries to load PCMCIA modules on ANY computer, even if it is a desktop.
[04:26] <WW_> i.e. even if it is not a laptop.
[04:26] <togs> WW_, you're talking to the novice of novices, so as long as someone knows what's going on, i'm fine with that :)
[04:28] <togs> ah, so PCMCIA is laptop only stuff?
[04:28] <WW_> togs: Right.
[04:28] <togs> oky
[04:29] <jacob> Why does the MD5SUMS differ for the diff. download locations ?
[04:29] <WW_> togs: My understanding (also at the novice level) is that it is a bug, but a harmless one.  Really, if your computer is not a laptop, ubuntu shouldn't even try to install the PCMCIA stuff.
[04:29] <togs> WW_, I suppose this is what comes of using a preview install :)
[04:30] <WW_> togs:  Right.  It's more fun this way :-)
[04:30] <togs> on that note, when Ubuntu offcially comes out, we won't have to install it agin, we can just update?
[04:31] <WW_> togs: That's what I was told.
[04:31] <Tomcat_> What does uname -a print at the moment?
[04:31] <joolz> this is a preview?? Woaw, just like using windows again :)
[04:32] <togs> heh, i've had this installed for about a week or so, haven't used XP since then :)
[04:32] <joolz> Linux joolz <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 #1 Mon Sep 27 10:50:47 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:33] <joolz> strange that apt wants to install lilo and sources too
[04:34] <joolz> ok, now the reboot (brb)
[04:34] <ploum> my friend has just installed Ubuntu on his Laptop. All is fine except he has no sound (no /dev/dsp ).  Is it a know bug ? (a Dell Laptop)
[04:35] <maswan> Mithrandir: around? I got another amd64 bug now
[04:35] <Mithrandir> pong!
[04:35] <WW_> Ah, I found a similar complaint about hw_random in bugzilla #1552: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1552
[04:35] <maswan> Mithrandir: grub: "selected item cannot fit into memory" or something like that.
[04:36] <maswan> Mithrandir: (I tried on one of the dl145s instead of ravel)
[04:36] <Mithrandir> maswan: hm, using the preview or a daily?
[04:36] <maswan> Mithrandir: preview
[04:36] <Mithrandir> maswan: known issue; use a daily
[04:36] <maswan> Mithrandir: Ok.
[04:36] <Mithrandir> (it's the 2GB grub limit)
[04:37] <Mithrandir> maswan: if it's not fixed in the dailies, file a bug, assign it to me and whine loudly. :)
[04:37] <WW_> Are there supposed to be symlinks in / to initrd and vmlinuz files that are in /boot?
[04:40] <maswan> Mithrandir: btw, I just got a cd/dvd burner in my workstation at work, so now I won't have to crawl down to a collegues machine in another office. ;)
[04:41] <Mithrandir> maswan: nice. :)  I'm considering getting a DVD dual-layer, external USB+firewire recorder thingy..
[04:41] <Mithrandir> only is plextor doesn't ship the one I want yet, they only have an internal PATA (or possibly SATA) version.
[04:41] <ploum> what's the source list of Ubuntu ? (I want to try to add Ubuntu stuff on my Debian)
[04:41] <WW_> Sorry, I don't know how the boot process works.   I always get 404 not found
[04:51] <Mithrandir> run apt-get update first?
[04:51] <hiro> lemme try
[04:51] <togs> heh, the music for frozen bubble is good
[04:52] <hiro> right, that fixed it (silly me)
[04:52] <hiro> thanks. Mithrandir
[04:53] <maswan> Mithrandir: dunno, haven't checked that. I run default woody 686 kernel on my workstation.
[04:54] <netdur> how do I install ppp? (in order to use adsl modem, I use redhat9 now)
[04:58] <maswan> Mithrandir: is there an easy option for "no, don't copy all packages to the hd"?
[04:58] <maswan> Mithrandir: at the end of the first install section?
[04:59] <maswan> nevermind
[05:00] <Mithrandir> maswan: there's some debconf param when booting, I don't remember.
[05:00] <polok> off to bed
[05:00] <polok> g'night
[05:11] <netdur> how to install ppp?
[05:12] <ross> netdur: it should be installed already i think, but "sudo apt-get install ppp" or use synaptic
[05:13] <netdur> it's already installed here, and I need to install ppp to use my modem! i'm online from red hat 9
[05:13] <defendguin> when i booted up just now i noticed something in the boot sequesnce i havent seen before.  it said laptop_mode.  is this new?
[05:13] <netdur> I mean, it's NOT already
[05:13] <netdur> sorry for my english
[05:13] <lypanov> gotta run
[05:13] <lypanov> ciao all
[05:13] <togs> so you need a seperate ppp package?
[05:14] <netdur> yep, I think I need to find it online, download then dpkg -i
[05:14] <netdur> I don't know where is it... for ubuntu I mean
[05:14] <ross> netdur: no, it's on the ubuntu CD
[05:15] <netdur> how do I install from cd?
[05:15] <netdur> apt-get install ppp?
[05:15] <togs> so you should be able to use synaptic? i think
[05:16] <netdur> ok, let me reboot... I will tell you if I could install
[05:16] <netdur> bye and thanks
[05:22] <maswan> Mithrandir: Ok, that worked. I guess the graphical stuff is more rewarding if you have a mouse though. :)
[05:23] <Mithrandir> maswan: use "custom" at the start of the installer to go custom. :P
[05:24] <maswan> Mithrandir: I'm a bit miffed about getting the wrong keyboard mappings though, but that install won't live long enough for me to care really. :)
[05:24] <Mithrandir> maswan: it should be correct, I'd think..
[05:25] <maswan> Mithrandir: I chose english language but location Sweden... it appears that the logic assumes language = keyboard?
[05:25] <Mithrandir> yeah, possibly.
[05:26] <Mithrandir> maswan: file a wishlist bug?
[05:26] <Mithrandir> maswan: or prod Kamion until he fixes it. :P
[05:28] <Mithrandir> maswan: we have mr. Bugzilla on board, though. :)
[05:29] <maswan> Mithrandir: how about a bts-compatible email interface? :)
[05:30] <Mithrandir> maswan: we'll hopefully get an email interface at some point, but Not Ready Yet :/
[05:32] <Kamion> maswan: current versions of the installer ask for the keymap
[05:32] <Kamion> maswan: the preview didn't
[05:33] <maswan> Kamion: I just installed today's current amd64 cdimage and didn't get a question, just for language and location.
[05:33] <Kamion> maswan: definitely /daily/current/?
[05:33] <Kamion> maswan: that's a bug then, please send /var/log/syslog from the installer
[05:34] <maswan> Kamion: the apt cdrom source said 2004-10-08 (in some date format)
[05:34] <Kamion> maswan: /var/log/debian-installer/syslog if you've already got the system running
[05:34] <maswan> # deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview amd64 Binary-1 (20041008)] / unstable main restricted
[05:34] <maswan> to be exact
[05:35] <maswan> Kamion: where do you want it? an http source right now?
[05:36] <maswan> Kamion: or in a mail/bug somewhere?
[05:36] <Kamion> maswan: attached to a new bug would be ideal
[05:37] <maswan> Kamion: ok
[05:43] <mir> I have just installed Ubuntu Linux, updated it with the latest patches etc... most things did go well.. howevery, videoplayback is not working.. I either get a black screen in totem, and with the voice working, or a error msg depending on what type of media file, the error is probably related to the codec not being installed, thats ok... but the blackscreen thing is not.. Anyone got an idea?
[05:44] <mir> No one here?
[05:44] <mir> oki.. I'll return later then
[05:45] <Iorek> mir: try installing the codecs
[05:46] <Iorek> w32codecs
[05:46] <maswan> Kamion: there you go, enjoy!
[05:46] <ross> mir: install totem-xine and try that
[05:47] <Iorek> ah yes, and that too ;)
[05:47] <Iorek> totem-xine and w32codecs
[05:47] <maswan> Mithrandir: is there any difference in kernel for amd64 on the daily/current and the preview? That is, is there any point of me trying it on ravel?
[05:47] <Mithrandir> maswan: I don't know, actually.
[05:48] <mir> there is no package totem-xine in the ubuntu rep
[05:48] <mir> seems it was, but is taken away
[05:50] <mir> Am I suposed to install it from somewhere else ?... Im asking just to make sure, and do things ubuntu way :-)
[05:50] <maswan> Mithrandir: aren't you supposed to know? :)
[05:51] <Mithrandir> maswan: I'm not the one doing kernels, but I don't _think_ there has been any kernel update.
[05:52] <LinuxJones> hi everyone !!
[05:53] <WW_> mir: On my system, totem-xine is from the universe component.  If you don't know how to access the universe component, follow the first three steps here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[05:53] <maswan> Mithrandir: well, that's enough for today anyway. perhaps next week. :)
[05:54] <WW_> mir: Then hit Update
[05:54] <WW_> mir: Oops, I mean hit Reload (not Update)
[05:56] <Kamion> maswan: the kernel's been updated somewhat since the preview, yes; see the warty-changes list
[05:57] <mir> WW_: Supose i should have read the docs first. I just assumed that Ubuntu added all the repositiries they had automatically (the official ones)..
[05:58] <anders> anybody has some ubuntu-grubsplash pictures?
[05:58] <WW_> mir: Take a look here to learn more about ubuntu components: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[05:58] <Iorek> they do, but tinkering with universe can be dangerous
[05:58] <Erunamo> kkk
[05:59] <nickjunk> damn i hate reconnects right after i asked something
[06:01] <mir> WW_: Oki.. I see why it was not enabled default.. does w32codecs exist in universe? or should i get it from mrillats?
[06:02] <WW_> mir: w32codecs is not carried by ubuntu; you can get it from marillat.
[06:02] <Iorek> Anders: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/UbuntuArtwork
[06:02] <Iorek> at th ebottom
[06:03] <LinuxJones> have a nice weekend everyone
[06:03] <ggi> Is anyone else experiencing cracking and popping with Rhythmbox?
[06:07] <WW_> ggi: Not here.
[06:10] <sri> so..
[06:10] <sri> I'm having some strnageness
[06:10] <sri> looks like my ypbind is not working because it can't talk to portmapper
[06:11] <sri> and I think portmapper is not working because <IP_ADDRESS> doesn't ping
[06:11] <ggi> WW_: It's not too severe on most tracks, but it is very noticeable on some. I get it to a lesser extent with ogg123, but not at all with Muine.
[06:11] <mir> I have been running Ubuntu for about 1 hrs.. So far I like it.. I have not tested mouch yet, but it seems ok..
[06:12] <Iorek> mir: videos playing now?
[06:13] <mir> Iorek: Yepp.. Some small flicks in totem, but thats totem.. i will change to another player
[06:14] <WW_> ggi: FWIW, all my files are .ogg.
[06:14] <mir> And its sound output is not correct.. only my headset is making sound.. not speakers.. but thats small fixable things
[06:14] <sri> is there some ipchains set up for ubuntu?
[06:15] <Keybuk> ipchains is ancient, dude; iptables has been the tool for two+ kernel versions now
[06:15] <sri> oops, yeah, thats what I meant.
[06:16] <sri> iptables --list shows nothing so..something else
[06:16] <mir> sri: The internet is full of expired linux stuff.. check the dates on the docs.. and witch version of the kernel they are speaking of
[06:17] <sri> yesssss..it works.
[06:17] <sri> nis works..woohoo
[06:17] <afonit> hey, do you guys know where there is a good trouble shooting guide for evolution, novell's website is not that helpfull
[06:18] <Kamion> sri: we don't actually firewall anything by default because we don't open any listening ports by default
[06:18] <_brandx_> anyone know what gstreamer plugin is needed to watch asf files?
[06:19] <kelvin> _brandx_, sounds like a job for ffmpeg
[06:22] <WW_> afonit: Let me know if you find one :-)  I've gotten Evolution help from the generous folks here.
[06:23] <j^> just tried installing ubuntu on an ibm x40, the only external usb cdrom drive i have will not boot :/
[06:24] <j^> what now?
[06:24] <irc> hello
[06:24] <afonit> ww_: ya seems pretty scarce, just hard to find any info on it
[06:25] <dewey_> good day mates
[06:25] <dewey_> ok I just booted the live-cd and it did not find a screen so it did not work.
[06:26] <dewey_> now I tried a knoppix live cd and it worked.
[06:26] <WW_> afonit: You can also find an evolution mailing list at lists.ximian.com
[06:27] <afonit> WW_:  thanks I am going to look into that now so I can search it
[06:31] <sri> Kamion: okay
[06:31] <sri> strangely, I rebooted and I'm still having problems talking to portmapper
[06:31] <dewey_> so will I have problems installing ubuntu from the i386.iso with not finding a screen?
[06:31] <whiprush> phlaegel: around?
[06:34] <Kamion> dewey_: well, the live CD does differ from the install CD in a number of ways; you may have better luck with the install CD
[06:35] <sri> I forget, how do you renable the root account?
[06:35] <Kamion> sri: 'sudo passwd root'
[06:37] <sri> Kamion: thank you.
[06:44] <|trey|> sri: sudo (-s) actually grows on you though, give it a shot  :)
[06:44] <|trey|> Simular in style to OS X, so you know its been thought out  :)
[06:45] <Iorek> 3y3 4m r00t!
[06:45] <Iorek> or something equally leet
[06:45] <Iorek> while my three tear old is humming the Emperor's march in the background *grin*
[06:45] <|trey|> year* ?
[06:45] <Iorek> yes
[06:45] <|trey|> ;)
[06:46] <Iorek> I can't type to save my life
[06:46] <|trey|> I can... except the keys run from my fingers sometimes  :(
[06:46] <Iorek> if someone put me behind a keyboard and said "type three random sentences and you'll live" I'd be dead before the third second
[06:47] <|trey|> Iorek: that made little to no sense  :(
[06:48] <Iorek> which proves my point, actually ;)
[06:48] <netgrabber> hi
[06:48] <netgrabber> is the amd64 ubuntu a pure64 distri?
[06:49] <netgrabber> or is it 32/64bit?
[06:49] <Treenaks> netgrabber: afaik it's as 64bit as possible
[06:49] <Treenaks> netgrabber: (don't call it pure64, that's almost tru64, which is something else ;))
[06:49] <Iorek> feh. 64bits is for pussies. I want 512 bits
[06:49] <netgrabber> I had problems using the pure64 port... flash doesn't run etc.
[06:50] <Treenaks> netgrabber: that's because macromedia hasn't ported flash to 64-bit linux yet
[06:50] <Iorek> <-- tech talk from someone who's a noob :P
[06:50] <Treenaks> netgrabber: and they won't release enough specs for a nice, working free alternative to be written
[06:50] <Treenaks> Iorek: 512? pfeh, 64kbit!
[06:50] <Iorek> at least!
[06:51] <netgrabber> Treenaks, yes I know that. but how does ubuntu handle this at the 64bit port?
[06:51] <|trey|> Iorek: How you liking life with Linux so far?  :)
[06:51] <Iorek> trey liked Suse much better than XP, and Ubuntu much better than Ubuntu
[06:51] <Treenaks> netgrabber: I think mixing 32- and 64-bit binaries is not allowed (hence, the 32-bit flash does not work in 64-bit zilla)
[06:52] <Iorek> and although I'm a noob here, the whole village considers me Nerd of the Nerds
[06:52] <|trey|> netgrabber: I don't think AMD64 processors has 32 bit emulation? I thought only Opteron and G5 did?
[06:52] <Iorek> I actually use a TERMINAL. *GASP*
[06:52] <|trey|>  and Ubuntu much better than Ubuntu  <-- you don't mean that  ;)
[06:52] <jordi> daniels: oooh dude
[06:52] <netgrabber> bbl i habe to reboot ;)
[06:53] <Iorek> er
[06:53] <Iorek> Ubuntu much better than Suse
[06:53] <Iorek> dammit
[06:53] <|trey|> Iorek: the goal of Ubuntu, and desktop distro's in general, is to not make you need to use the terminal *shrug*
[06:53] <yyc747> Iorek: I would say you mistyped... it is hard to like ubuntu more than itself
[06:53] <yyc747> lol
[06:53] <Iorek> yes yes I did :P
[06:53] <yyc747> yeah, I'm trying to install ubuntu... it's working well so far
[06:54] <yyc747> how is the community (read as "will you be stoned for suggesting ubuntu's not the best?")
[06:54] <Iorek> trey I don't know, nautilus vitches every file I want to ftp with it...so that's command line...
[06:54] <Iorek> er
[06:54] <|trey|> Iorek: I am coming from Debian, I figure things should be done via GUI only though, else afaict it should be considered a bug...
[06:54] <Iorek> "VITCHES?"
[06:54] <arle> Hello, Ubuntuses! ;-)
[06:54] <Iorek> what the hell was I trying to type there???
[06:54] <arle> I am looking for the modconf tool in order to load  my sound module..
[06:54] <yyc747> having before worked with gentoo and debian, I'm am worried about joining a third overzealous community
[06:55] <axe9> Quick question, what program do I use to burn CDs?
[06:55] <PerfDave> yyc747: I've been lurking here for a few days to ascertain that. #ubuntu certainly seems to be fairly polite, but also wanders offtopic a bit too much for my liking.
[06:55] <arle> axe9 k3b
[06:55] <|trey|> yyc747: yes, yes you will be stoned for saying Ubuntu's not the best... only because its just hard to find better  :/
[06:55] <Iorek> trey yep, but ftp is command line, which works fine, and actually, in general I do everything that nautilus does in a terminal :)
[06:55] <|trey|> Iorek: GNOME VFS supports FTP, and there is GFTP also...
[06:56] <yyc747> you can't blame people for wandering off topic...
[06:56] <axe9> GFTP is good
[06:56] <PerfDave> yyc747: Not really, but when it gets in the way of people having problems and those problems being solved, it gets annoying.
[06:56] <axe9> How do I run k3b?
[06:56] <Iorek> I don't like Nautilus in general...could be much much much better....
[06:56] <goatboy> |trey|: opeteron:amd64::athlon:i686
[06:56] <Iorek> axe you don't :)
[06:56] <axe9> ...
[06:57] <yyc747> |trey|: well, if that's the case, I will be happy.  I like gentoo/portage... I think there should be a project that will allow portage to create deb packages, since portage is an awesome tool for compile-time configuration
[06:57] <|trey|> axe9: you install it... activate universe... note its unsupported.
[06:57] <Iorek> no, it's true :P
[06:57] <axe9> I need to burn some CDs for my sistem
[06:57] <axe9> universe is already activated
[06:57] <goatboy> |trey|: and any amd64 can run 64bit and 32bin apps side by side.
[06:57] <goatboy> s/bin/bit
[06:57] <Iorek> axe: in that case fire up synaptic, activate synaptic, and install it :)
[06:57] <yyc747> axe9: I've only ever used mkisofs and cdrecord, so it can be done just by command line
[06:57] <|trey|> yyc747: apt-get -b source pkg isn't far off imo... it works  :/
[06:58] <axe9> uh....
[06:58] <Iorek> GHAA
[06:58] <Iorek> activate universe
[06:58] <Iorek> my brain is mush
[06:58] <Iorek> don't listen to me
[06:58] <Iorek> I'm not on drugs, incidentally
[06:58] <yyc747> |trey|: can one specify the equivilant of use flags?
[06:58] <|trey|> yyc747: There is a Gentoo developer working for Ubuntu... so he knows how to optimize...
[06:58] <|trey|> yyc747: debian/rules
[06:58] <axe9> synaptic?
[06:58] <axe9> -_-
[06:59] <Iorek> synaptic
[06:59] <axe9> I really need to go to the library and get some books on linux so I can stop bothering you guys
[06:59] <Iorek> or apt-get
[06:59] <yyc747> axe9: I think I might write a very simple frontend to cdrecord/mkisofs with either gtk or ncurses
[06:59] <yyc747> axe9: it wouldn't be too hard, I wonder why it hasn't been done
[06:59] <tm> is there something wrong with the vim-common package?
[07:00] <|trey|> axe9: google is all the information you need  :/
[07:00] <|trey|> tm: its fine here...
[07:00] <yyc747> |trey|, axe9: I have the Linux Pocket Guide... it is quicker than google, and covers the basics of a wide range of linux commands
[07:01] <tm> When I try to install it, it spits out a whole bunch of errors and my system becomes completely unusable.  Every command gives me an "input/output error"
[07:01] <Iorek> kewl, gftp IS nice
[07:01] <axe9> That would prolly be good...
[07:01] <_Hiro_> I had xfs corruption and now muine nor tomboy works. I reinstalled every mono package but that doesn't help. Anybody any suggestions?
[07:01] <|trey|> axe9: ideally, support channels would be used only to clear up things, not to tell you how to do things..
[07:01] <Iorek> now all I need is gnome-commander, something like k3b and a deb for the fasttrack plugin of gidt :P
[07:01] <_Hiro_> can I reinstall every supposedly installed package in some fashion?
[07:01] <|trey|> yyc747: man -k something_you_want_to_do
[07:02] <Jeedee> Is it going to be worth it to re-install ubuntu when the final 4.10 arrive or most of the change will be updated by synaptic?
[07:02] <yyc747> |trey|: I have never heard of the -k option, and doing "man man" would make the universe implode
[07:02] <|trey|> _Hiro_: yes... select all packages, and mark them for reinstallation...
[07:02] <mjr> Jeedee, not worth the reinstall, synaptic should do everything
[07:02] <|trey|> yyc747: umm, no it wouldn't...
[07:02] <tm> oh wait.  it's not just vim-common
[07:02] <tm> it's dpkg:
[07:03] <|trey|> yyc747: man -k = man search for keywords
[07:03] <Jeedee> mjr: thank you :) I wasnt sure if I should wait until the 14 or simply install and update by synaptic
[07:03] <arle> any tool similar to Debian's modconf?
[07:03] <_Hiro_> oh I forgot about synaptic for that :D
[07:03] <_Hiro_> thx
[07:03] <_Hiro_> I was trying to do it with apt-get
[07:03] <tm> dpkg: error processing acpid_1.0.3-19ubuntu12_i386.deb (--install):
[07:03] <tm>  unable to create `./usr/share/doc/acpid/examples/ac.gz': Unknown error 990
[07:04] <yyc747> yeah, how hard is to upgrade from version to version?  will it just be a case of apt-get/synaptic, or will it be an option in the installer a la fedora, or will it require a complete reinstall?
[07:05] <Iorek> apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:05] <Kamion> tm: sounds like your filesystem and/or your disk are hosed; it's not anything to do with vim-common or dpkg in particular
[07:05] <|trey|> yyc747: you substitute "warty" for "hoary" and "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"
[07:05] <tm> Kamion: yeah
[07:05] <tm> hmm
[07:05] <Iorek> someone has been creative with names at least
[07:06] <maswan> Kamion: thanks, I'll see if I get time to check that on ravel, hopefully noone will be using it for anything important when I get time.
[07:07] <yyc747> |trey|: I thought apt-get update only got the new package list.  what command actually installs the updates, and what file would I change hoary to warty in?
[07:07] <yyc747> oh, btw, what is the general policy here on comparing ubuntu to debian?
[07:07] <Iorek> sources.list
[07:07] <crimsun> yyc747: apt-get upgrade; /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:08] <Iorek> yyc747: ubuntu rocks debian's poppycocks
[07:08] <crimsun> ubuntu's target audience is more focused than debian's
[07:08] <Iorek> to paraphrase sinfest
[07:09] <FRLinux> greetings
[07:09] <Iorek> actually, no idea, never used Debian
[07:10] <FRLinux> ubuntu rocks :)
[07:10] <Livewire> hi, ive got my Network going in M$ .. now i need to get it going in Ubuntu.. I dont know what to put in the DNS field - there seems to be no auto mode
[07:10] <|trey|> yyc747: grr... apt-get update gets a new list, apt-get install installs individual packages, apt-get dist-upgrade upgrades everything, even through major changes...
[07:10] <Riddell> Livewire: is it using DHCP?
[07:11] <Livewire> Riddell: Yeah
[07:11] <Livewire> Riddell: the pc is straight into a router
[07:11] <Iorek> and it isn't online? :)
[07:11] <Riddell> Livewire: sudo apt-get install resolvconf  should fix it
[07:11] <arle> Hi, I have a Intel Corp. |82801DB AC'97 Audio controller
[07:11] <arle> module: i810
[07:11] <|trey|> Riddell: you're overlooking the usefulness of sudo -s
[07:11] <tom_cat> FRLinux:  yeah, Ubuntu rocks !
[07:11] <arle> But I doesn't get loaded at boot time
[07:12] <arle> lsmod shows me a lot of sound modules
[07:12] <crimsun> arle: so you'd use snd-intel8x0
[07:12] <axe9> ok
[07:12] <|trey|> arle: thats normal...
[07:12] <axe9> I downloaded the k3d stuff
[07:12] <arle> But I don't know hot to make my Ubunutu play wave or mp3 files
[07:12] <FRLinux> tom_cat, been a Debian user and admin for about 4 years now, it just cannot get any simpler :)
[07:12] <axe9> and installed
[07:12] <|trey|> axe9: umm, ok cool, its not supported
[07:12] <crimsun> arle: what sort of hardware is this? dell laptop by any chance?
[07:12] <axe9> ~_~
[07:12] <axe9> Why was I told to get it O_o
[07:13] <arle> crmsun: No. Desktop: HP/Compaq Evo
[07:13] <crimsun> arle: ok
[07:13] <|trey|> axe9: I answered your question of how to get it... Ubuntu servers ship it, but they don't support it.
[07:13] <crimsun> arle: |lsmod|grep intel8x0
[07:13] <punkass__> Livewire: you can usually use your routers ip too for dns
[07:13] <crimsun> arle: without the leading '|'
[07:13] <axe9> uhhuh...
[07:13] <arle> ok
[07:13] <arle> let me see
[07:13] <axe9> Well, that still leaves me in need of a CD burning applicaiton
[07:13] <Livewire> ah thanks punkass
[07:14] <arle> I can play a wave in XMMS but no sound from the speakers :(
[07:14] <crimsun> arle: did you unmute the mixer channels?
[07:14] <|trey|> axe9: gcombust or k3b do an ok job, although k3b drug along a lot of libs  :/
[07:14] <axe9> ...
[07:14] <arle> crimsum: Yeah, of course
[07:14] <axe9> You just told me k3d wasn't supported..............................
[07:15] <axe9> so
[07:15] <arle> I only get system beep sounds
[07:15] <axe9> I need to get gcmbust
[07:15] <mjr> axe9, try gtoaster; gcombust is old gtk1 stuff
[07:15] <arle> crimsum: lsmod|grep intel8x0 shows me 7 lines
[07:15] <arle> I don't wanna flow them here :-\
[07:15] <crimsun> arle: ok, good.
[07:15] <|trey|> or --audio some.mp3 another.mp3
[07:16] <Iorek> axe: it isn't, you can install it, but the chances that things will go wrong are bigger
[07:16] <Iorek> axe9: plus, k3b is a KDE application so you'll need those libs too
[07:16] <irc>  hey guys is there another source I need to add to get the fglrx-driver?
[07:16] <|trey|> Iorek: I just told him that
[07:16] <|trey|> irc: welcome to the /nick command
[07:16] <|trey|> use it
[07:17] <Iorek> trey yes, he didn't seem to understand :P
[07:17] <punkass__> i always run alsamixer  to make sure volumes are up and unmuted
[07:17] <arle> crimsum: and then.....?
[07:17] <g5maniac> is that better?
[07:17] <|trey|> g5maniac: :)
[07:17] <|trey|> g5maniac: yes, thank you  :)
[07:17] <g5maniac> well you know
[07:17] <g5maniac> :)
[07:17] <crimsun> arle: check the output of `dmesg' for any ALSA-related warnings/errors
[07:18] <axe9> gtoaster isn't on the list
[07:18] <arle> ok
[07:18] <|trey|> g5maniac: the driver should be within restricted, although I am not 100% sure... I think "apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-<uname -r>" or simular...
[07:19] <g5maniac>  ok, I will have a throw at that - cheers
[07:19] <arle> XMMS is using libOSS for output
[07:19] <|trey|> crimsun: resticted modules package name is....?
[07:19] <arle> dmesg | grep alsa
[07:19] <arle> nothing!
[07:19] <crimsun> |trey|: er?
[07:20] <|trey|> crimsun: eh.. nm
[07:20] <punkass__> arle: set xmms to use Alsa
[07:21] <punkass__> i believe u can run:  gstreamer-properties   to set that output to alsa too
[07:21] <|trey|> xmms is ugly, they should upgrade to gtk2 one day  :/
[07:21] <arle> punkass_: XMMS hangs down :(
[07:21] <axe9> oh
[07:21] <axe9> there it is
[07:21] <crimsun> |trey|: beep-media-player
[07:21] <arle> |trey|: Yeah!
[07:22] <socomm> crimsun, or rhythmbox
[07:22] <crimsun> |trey|: xmms is being rewritten to use gtk2 as well.
[07:22] <|trey|> crimsun: yes... but thats buggy too...
[07:22] <vrln> beep-media-player uses much more resources... I get 30% cpu usage by just scrolling the playlist
[07:22] <axe9> Ok, I used synaptic, and got gtoaster
[07:22] <|trey|> although the bad tag's in Ubuntu's packages are annoying...
[07:22] <axe9> To run, I...
[07:22] <crimsun> i tend to use players that support replaygain tags, so xmms/bmp/muine
[07:22] <|trey|> It was my favorate thing about Rhythmbox... it told me the title of songs in streams, not right now though  :(
[07:23] <vrln> 5% with xmms, and it looks the same if your using a skin
[07:23] <socomm> xmms does have an EQ, which I find very useful.
[07:23] <whatzzz-upppp> hello there
[07:23] <|trey|> socomm: I never use it... then I can turn up bass on my speakers already...
[07:23] <somebod1> hello people. I am ubuntu newbie, i have trouble with ubuntu installation, all installs fine, PC reboots, but Xserver crashes, failed to start. Sorry if i say something wrong, i don know english well
[07:23] <axe9> do I type gtoaster in the terminal?
[07:23] <defendguin> hmmmm i think ubuntu has a little problem with power management on laptops
[07:24] <whatzzz-upppp> uau so many people for such a young distro
[07:24] <socomm> |trey|, you can import winamps eq's to use with xmms
[07:24] <crimsun> somebod1: what video chipset do you have?
[07:24] <whatzzz-upppp> this distro , can become a killing distro
[07:25] <punkass__> defendguin: i agree
[07:25] <crimsun> whatzzz-upppp: s/young/one based on Debian that actually works/g
[07:25] <somebod1> ati radeon 32 sdr, monitor viewsonic P95F+
[07:25] <defendguin> i had my laptop idle for a while and it went into standby but now that i am back using it it keeps shutting down the harddrive
[07:25] <defendguin> and then running it back up again
[07:25] <crimsun> somebod1: so that's PCI?
[07:25] <socomm> http://super.malom.hu/qscvb/Winamp/WINAMP.q1
[07:25] <|trey|> somebod1: What does  /var/log/XFree86.0.log say was the error?
[07:25] <somebod1> x server want to start but monitor shows me message frequency over range
[07:25] <defendguin> not to mention the fact that it cant run on ac power anymore
[07:25] <whatzzz-upppp> crimsun: well it is not true that it just works
[07:25] <somebod1> agp
[07:25] <|trey|> socomm: I hate Winamp.
[07:26] <|trey|> I hate everything about its interface...
[07:26] <whatzzz-upppp> crimsun: i have problems with wvdial as it is not configured and being on dial up i can't do anything about it
[07:26] <defendguin> punkass__, hows it going?
[07:26] <punkass__> in windows i run winamp...in just a small mini mode
[07:26] <|trey|> Only tool simular I will use is Zinf, only because it has a good playlist manager...
[07:26] <punkass__> defendguin: pretty good
[07:26] <|trey|> I use ZINF on windows...
[07:27] <Treenaks> ZINF?
[07:27] <crimsun> all i need is a curses interface for rhythmbox, and i'll be set :)
[07:27] <|trey|> Zinf is not Freeamp
[07:27] <Treenaks> |trey|: argh
[07:27] <|trey|> Treenaks: ?
[07:27] <Treenaks> |trey|: X is not Y names..
[07:28] <punkass__> lol
[07:28] <socomm> I don't have windows.
[07:28] <|trey|> Treenaks: haha, but they weren't allowed to use Freeamp, Winamp (AOL) sued them  :(
[07:28] <whatzzz-upppp>  i saw that the current iso has wvdial and gaim. so I feel that the next release it will be great and it will really work. no more problems on us on dial up
[07:28] <defendguin> hmm the AC power thing maybe just be the fact that i no longer have power in this room apparently a circut breaker flipped
[07:28] <punkass__> defendguin: lol
[07:29] <jacob> The 1280x960 resolution doesnt appear when reconfiguring xserver-xfree86. It did show up during installation of the Ubuntu preview ISO, any solutions ?
[07:29] <whatzzz-upppp> jacob: change the XFconfig-4 or use Gnome display manager
[07:29] <|trey|> Treenaks: very simular to why Gnu is not Unix  :)
[07:29] <Treenaks> |trey|: still it sucks ;)
[07:30] <axe9> oh
[07:30] <|trey|> whatzzz-upppp: umm, thats not what you mean.
[07:30] <axe9> Why do I have to open the disks folder, and then click eject to open either of my CD drives?
[07:30] <defendguin> but the problem with the harddrive turning off and on is definatly a ubuntu problem