[02:20] <jjesse> for those that are intersted in kubuntu docs please see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDocs/Edgy for the specification that I'm building
[02:23] <LaserJock> jjesse: anything new?
[02:24] <LaserJock> or is that what you are looking for :-)
[02:25] <jjesse> i don't know when the last time you looked at it but i did some changes today
[02:25] <LaserJock> just now
[02:26] <LaserJock> it looks like Release Note, KDG, Adept, and Switching from Windows?
[02:26] <jjesse> and anything fun you want to do?
[02:27] <jjesse> anythin edgy :)
[02:28] <jjesse> ooooo reviewing actual copies of what will be in the book
[02:28] <jjesse> proofs :)
[02:28] <LaserJock> well, alas I think my time has already been swallowed up
[02:29] <jjesse> bummer doing what?
[02:31] <LaserJock> umm, the Ubuntu Packaging Guide the Ubuntu Developers Reference, Edubuntu stuff, MOTU Science stuff
[02:31] <LaserJock> Edubuntu Council stuff
[02:31] <jjesse> wow your time is spoken for :)
[02:31] <LaserJock> and perhaps a PhD
[02:32] <LaserJock> well, I've sort of got this habit of agreeing to do anything people ask me to do
[02:53] <LaserJock> mdke?!
[03:52] <jsgotangco> good morning
[03:54] <Madpilot> hi jsgotangco
[03:54] <jjesse> evening jsgotangco
[03:54] <jsgotangco> hey guys =)
[03:55] <Madpilot> no more vandalism/stupidity on the wiki since last night's outbreak, I see
[03:56] <jsgotangco> oh there was eh?
[03:57] <Madpilot> yeah, "Ruwan5" - Matt cleaned most of it up
[03:58] <jjesse> hmm didn't realize there was last night
[03:58] <Madpilot> deleted four or five Category pages, created a bunch of utterly useless pages
[03:58] <jjesse> must not have been on any pages i subscribe to
[03:58] <Madpilot> I only noticed it thru RecentChanges
[04:01] <jjesse> don't you hate it when you forget where you were at in the midst of a doc?
[04:04] <jjesse> jsgotangco are you going to uds-paris?
[04:04] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:04] <jjesse> cool i hope you have fun
[04:05] <jsgotangco> well ive been to a devel summit before, its always fun
[04:05] <jjesse> this was to be my first one, but i switched jobs and have no vacation time yet
[04:05] <jjesse> though i think i might get work to swing time for the next one
[04:05] <jsgotangco> yes you should experience it
[04:06] <jsgotangco> for paris we will have voip as well using teamspeak
[04:06] <jsgotangco> and gobby
[04:06] <jjesse> i know but paris is +6 for me :(
[04:08] <jjesse> so a 9am meeting would b 3am
[04:08] <jsgotangco> i will probably suffer a wee bit of jetlag as well but at night
[04:08] <jjesse> and i'm sure it would suck to be on dialup cause that's all i got at home
[04:21] <Madpilot> http://www.softpedia.com/reviews/linux/gedit-Review-26002.shtml <-- nice idea - reviewing the 'everyday' apps as if they were new & shiny
[04:28] <jsgotangco> yes that's good
[04:28] <Madpilot> well, aside from the ads inline all over that text...
[04:28] <jsgotangco> well yes softpedia is quite notorious on such
[05:06] <nixternal> jsgotangco: where at in Chicago did you live? i just read you posting in the forums
[06:12] <jsgotangco> nixternal: hi sorry i was out, West Farragut, my folks still live there
[06:12] <nixternal> ahhh
[06:12] <nixternal> im out in the burbs
[06:13] <nixternal> near schaumburg
[06:13] <jsgotangco> my mom works in a well known bridal shop
[06:13] <jsgotangco> while dad still works at wallgreens managing an outlet
[06:15] <jsgotangco> my mom got featured in the sun times a few weeks ago in the lifestyle section =)
[06:16] <nixternal> really
[06:16] <nixternal> i read lifestyle
[06:16] <nixternal> hehe
[06:16] <nixternal> i bet i know the "well known" shop...davids?
[06:16] <nixternal> i can't rmeember the names
[06:17] <jsgotangco> House of Brides Couture
[06:17] <nixternal> ya ya
[06:17] <nixternal> thats it...there is one by my house as a matter of fact
[06:17] <jsgotangco> she's one of the big consultants
[06:18] <nixternal> my sister might know her then..she does all the big wig weddings in the chicago land are
[06:18] <nixternal> a
[06:18] <jsgotangco> ahh yeah i won't be surprised
[06:19] <jsgotangco> ill probably go there before the year ends
[06:19] <nixternal> well..nothing has changed here really
[06:19] <nixternal> same ol' chicago
[06:22] <jsgotangco> i worked for a few months in konami on the gambling division
[06:22] <jsgotangco> then decided to go back home here
[06:23] <nixternal> where is konami?
[06:24] <nixternal> naper?
[06:25] <jsgotangco> i think they went back to LA
[06:26] <jsgotangco> when i started there the casino division was being formed
[06:26] <jsgotangco> i won't be surprised if they have a las vegas office already
[06:26] <nixternal> i think i remember a konami office in naperville...i remember seeing something about a job opening or something maybe...can't remember
[07:28] <Madpilot> mdke, if you still need them, the Lulu book covers have been moved to http://ubuntu.ca/ubuntu-books to free up space on my own server
[09:02] <mdke> Madpilot: thanks
[09:02] <Madpilot> np
[09:02] <Madpilot> any more translations come in?
[09:02] <mdke> well, more have been done, but we haven't imported them into the repo yet
[09:04] <klepas> hey folks
[09:05] <nixternal> this is the most action i have seen in here today ;)
[09:09] <bhuvan> mdke: when a user reports a bug in any of documents and if we confirm it we can commit the fix in trunk. do we have to commit the fix in branch as well ?
[09:16] <mdke> bhuvan: no, edgy work should be in trunk. Make sure any changes that were made in the branch recently have been applied to the trunk too
[09:17] <bhuvan> mdke: ok. yeah, we must ensure trunk contains latest changes. my question, do we have to make these changes in branch (branches/dapper?)
[09:17] <mdke> bhuvan: my answer, no, edgy work should be in trunk
[09:18] <bhuvan> mdke: ok! so, aren't we providing patches for dapper users ?
[09:18] <mdke> not that I know about
[09:18] <bhuvan> ok. if so, i guess, we should do these changes in branch as well and get the patch out of it (may be)
[09:19] <jsgotangco> mdke: i thought  you would or would it only be limited to ltranslations>
[09:19] <mdke> bhuvan: no, don't change anything in branch please
[09:19] <mdke> jsgotangco: mm?
[09:19] <bhuvan> mdke: ok, np. i'll not touch branch. infact i haven't checkout. after you said, i'll not checkout branch!
[09:20] <jsgotangco> mdke: have you started uploading translations?
[09:20] <jsgotangco> i guess not
[09:22] <mdke> bhuvan: ok, I'll try and make sure any of the changes to the serverguide we've done there can be applied to trunk
[09:22] <mdke> jsgotangco: no, not yet
[09:22] <bhuvan> mdke: ok
[09:23] <mdke> bhuvan: don't make any changes to trunk until that is done
[09:24] <bhuvan> mdke: oh. i just did commit a fix for 49675. it is trivial though
[09:25] <mdke> bhuvan: that may mean it will get undone when I manually merge branch back.
[09:25] <mdke> so remember what change you made :)
[09:25] <bhuvan> yeah sure
[03:40] <mdke> bhuvan: serverguide in trunk is up to date already, no problems
[03:40] <bhuvan> mdke: ok
[03:40] <mdke> oh shit hang on
[03:40] <mdke> lemme do a proper diff this time
[03:41] <bhuvan> mdke: i see couple of couples in branches/dapper/generic/serverguide. last commit being on jun 09
[03:41] <bhuvan> s/couples/commits/g
[03:42] <mdke> yep, seems to be all up to date
[03:44] <matthewrevell> Hey guys - just out of interest, do you have any plans to move over to Bazaar, rathr than SVN?
[03:44] <BenB> I am having trouble logging my laptop test on the Ubintu wiki.  Anyone here able to help?
[03:45] <mdke> BenB: yes
[03:45] <matthewrevell> mdke: :)
[03:45] <mdke> matthewrevell: we've thought about it, and so far haven't found any persuasive reason to do so
[03:45] <mdke> at least, that's my interpretation of the situation
[03:46] <matthewrevell> mdke: As there's already a working solution in place, that's understandable.
[03:46] <BenB> Great.  When I create the page with the template, I just get a #REDIRECT line (to the laptop testing template) and I don't know what to do then!
[03:46] <mdke> BenB: yeah, that is an error by us, hang on
[03:46] <matthewrevell> bzr seems to have a lower learning curve than other solutions, so for new projects I'd say it's pretty cool.
[03:47] <BenB> mdke: OK.  Hang on short term, or long term?
[03:47] <mdke> BenB: I'll sort it in a bit. For now, just create your page, then use the table here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Template
[03:49] <BenB> mdke:  OK, but I think I may have created a page with the REDIRECT so it may need to be deleted:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/SonyVaioVGN-S4XP
[03:50] <mdke> BenB: no, just use that page
[03:50] <mdke> I'll do it for you, hang on
[03:50] <BenB> mdke: OK.  Thanks.
[03:51] <mdke> BenB: done, now just fill in the blanks :)
[03:52] <BenB> mdke:  Ah,  great,  Thanks.
[03:52] <mdke> matthewrevell: i'm conscious I may not have answered any of the questions _you_ had about where to start contributing yesterday...
[03:53] <matthewrevell> mdke: I was half asleep last night, so I'm not sure I fully remember :)
[03:54] <mdke> matthewrevell: well, I'm much better at explaining things when I'm not being recorded, so feel free to ask :)
[03:54] <matthewrevell> :)
[03:55] <matthewrevell> mdke: I felt as though we'd covered pretty much everything. We had a chat, afterwards, about the whole toolchain side of things, which threw up some interesting ideas. The main conclusion we reached, though, was that it's more important to have people writing docs, than thinking about tools.
[03:56] <matthewrevell> My own questions relate more to how to get a feel for the community, etc, and who is doing what.
[03:57] <mdke> right
[03:57] <matthewrevell> The styleguide is a good place to start, but I think you mentiones that it's in flux.
[03:57] <mdke> it occurred to me that I didn't mention the wiki->docbook tools that are evolving
[03:57] <mdke> that was stupid of me
[03:57] <matthewrevell> Oh. Perhaps I could mention them in the following show, if you give me details.
[03:58] <mdke> sure
[03:58] <dsas> That's just reminded me, I was humming the LR theme earlier and couldn't remember where it was from.
[03:58] <matthewrevell> dsas: Ah, Dean Sas.
[03:58] <mdke> http://www.mdke.org/blog/Wiki2Docbook.html
[03:58] <matthewrevell> :)
[03:59] <matthewrevell> mdke: Thanks.
[03:59] <dsas> matthewrevell: Hello.
[04:05] <matthewrevell> mdke: Are the "Work in Progress" links on the right-hand side of doc.ubuntu.com the current priorities? I ask because the main page content says they're in development for release with Dapper, but obviously that's been released.
[04:05] <mdke> matthewrevell: yeah, that hasn't been updated since Dapper. We still have to make plans for edgy about what projects to focus on.
[04:06] <jsgotangco> matthewrevell: bzr doesn't bode well for structured data like xml and the current social structure of the docteam doesn't fit well in a distributed revision control system
[04:06] <jsgotangco> unless each derivative begins to have their own teams working separately i guess
[04:06] <jsgotangco> its possible to make bzr work like an svn server with a PQM bot, but then, why bother
[04:07] <matthewrevell> jsgotangco: Oh really? Okeydoke. I haven't used it enough to have come across its limitations with documentation etc.
[04:07] <mdke> I dunno...
[04:07] <jsgotangco> its a neat system
[04:07] <mdke> it should be able to work with documentation
[04:08] <dsas> I wasn't sure how the xml limitations were any different to any other rcs xml limitations
[04:08] <matthewrevell> mdke: How do you guys make plans, then? Do you have irc meetings to bash it all out?
[04:08] <dsas> i.e. it's easy to make the document not validate.
[04:08] <mdke> matthewrevell: that's the idea yeah. There is one tomorrow, I believe
[04:08] <jsgotangco> its not so much on the xml limitation per se, but its more on the social structure of a distributed rcs compared to a centralised one
[04:08] <jjesse> at noon est
[04:08] <jjesse> whatever time that is gmt
[04:08] <jsgotangco> ie; reverting changes than having all merge to the reverts
[04:08] <matthewrevell> jjesse: 17:00 I think
[04:09] <dsas> it's today at 18:00 BST according to the topic in u-meeting
[04:09] <matthewrevell> Are the meetings announced on the ubuntu-doc mailing list, then? Also, are they open?
[04:09] <jsgotangco> always
[04:10] <jjesse> is it @Agenda or what in #ubuntu-meeting i never remember?
[04:10] <dsas> jjesse: @schedule
[04:10] <matthewrevell> I'll be driving home at 18:00. I take it the log is available online somewhere, shortly after?
[04:11] <jjesse> hmm did the date get changed?
[04:11] <dsas> matthewrevell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[04:11] <matthewrevell> dsas: Thanks
[04:11] <mdke> dsas: today? tomorrow right?
[04:11] <dsas> 15th of June apparently
[04:11] <mdke> well, our agenda page says 16th
[04:12] <dsas> ah, the fridge disagrees.
[04:12] <mdke> tut tut
[04:12] <mdke> stupid fridge
[04:12] <mdke> mailing list says 16th too
[04:14] <dsas> Now there's plenty of time to watch the football and cook :)
[04:15] <mdke> the idea of a meeting during the football is crazy
[04:16] <mdke> we have enough english people to veto that
[04:18] <jsgotangco> has england played already
[04:19] <mdke> second game is today
[04:21] <jsgotangco> would you strangle me if i wish they lose?
[04:24] <jsgotangco> mdke: there's a teamspeak server setup for paris so you could still get involved in a bof or something
[04:28] <mdke> jsgotangco: we'll see. cool idea
[04:28] <mdke> jsgotangco: and no ;)
[04:28] <jsgotangco> cool i hope they loose 10-0
[04:43] <BenB> mdke: First draft written!  Many thanks.  Bye all.
[07:50] <jjesse> mdke you there?
[07:50] <jjesse> anyone able to help pitti in #ubuntu-doc in regards to svn merge?
[07:51] <LaserJock> not I
[07:52] <jjesse> bummer
[07:52] <LaserJock> what did we merge?
[07:56] <jjesse> trunk into branches
[07:56] <jjesse> so we have branches/breezy and branches/dapper
[07:56] <jjesse> and trunk is wher the development takes place
[07:57] <LaserJock> I didn't think we merged though, but I don't get svn very well
[07:59] <jjesse> yes we did, there is in fact something about it on the meeting agenda for tomrorow
[08:01] <LaserJock> yeah, but those are manual merges, no?
[08:01] <LaserJock> svn diff and then patch
[08:25] <jjesse> sorry for the delay laserjock, but we did a manual svn merge branch/dapper trunk or something liek that
[08:27] <LaserJock> hmm, I didn't
[08:29] <jjesse> mdke made one i think for all
[08:30] <LaserJock> hmm
[08:45] <LaserJock> jjesse: hmm, I only see a merge for the server guide
[10:08] <mdke> jjesse: no, I haven't done merges for everything, it's the responsibility of each maintainer to make sure everything has been kept up to date
[10:09] <Laser_away> I'll make sure I'm up to date before the meeting tomorrow


[00:12] <vertago1> If I were to start trying to help with packaging, where on KCI would be the best place to look? senile?
[00:57] <frecel> hello
[00:57] <frecel> is anyone working on plasma 5.5.1 packages for kubuntu or aware of a ppa that has them?
[08:52] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:06] <yofel> frecel: no, we're not working on them yet. Yes, we are working in their direction (currently on frameworks), but we're very shorthanded currently
[10:39] <mparillo> yofel: Suggestion: Since it seems that either you or sgclark seem to have to reply almost daily, perhaps load it into the channel topic?
[10:40] <yofel> might as well add that back, we did have that in the past
[10:42] <yofel> a bit cryptic, but those people that actually bother to read the topic should understand taht
[10:43] <yofel> actually
[10:43] <yofel> peace
[10:45] <mparillo> TY. Mind if I try to add the last bit to the support channel?
[10:46] <mparillo> Sorry, I guess I do not have the permissions anyway.
[11:00] <yofel> I would rather not have that over there, even if it means answering a couple more questions. Additional info in the already long topic there is really just for emergencies
[11:17] <yofel> ok, so finally took a look at those app "backports" and the PPA had a dep on the INDI ppa which it shouldn't have. People really need to stop adding random PPA deps
[11:21] <yofel> uh... staging-frameworks didn't depend on -proposed
[11:40] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[18:07] <santa_> yofel: hi since I have been absent for a while: where do you need help (besides parallelinzing git-clone-all)?
[18:08] <santa_> * parallelizing
[18:18] <vertago1> I was looking at the merging failures and it looks like it would just take someone with git access to address a merge conflict: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_breeze-icons/
[18:18] <vertago1> I was looking into how to help, but I don't know the git information to look into fixing the merge conflicts.
[18:47] <yofel> vertago1: git access is restricted and requires membership on the qt-kde team on alioth (debian). In the beginning we recommend sending patches for actual packaging issues (or pointing us to a fixed git branch somewhere) or doing coop packaging with someone or tackling small package updates
[18:48] <yofel> let me think a bit about how a good way to start helping with packaging would be...
[18:49] <yofel> santa_: hard to say, didn't you want to implement your workflow? I'm currently trying to meet that coming from the other direction by reworking and splitting the current scripts a bit so we can get work done.
[18:52] <yofel> santa_: I pretty much gave up using your workflow after making git-clone-all work for me took too long. I work in temporary directories, so I added -t to the script, but then it started doing nothing at all because you are relying on a fixed path in getFtpVersionMap(), which will fail depending on when the function is called
[18:52] <yofel> after I saw that I didn't feel like digging more into it
[18:53] <santa_> yofel: what was that -t suposed to do?
[18:53] <yofel> same thing as -t does for staging-upload
[18:53] <yofel> make a tmpdir and do all the work in there
[18:53] <yofel> so it can later be easily deleted
[18:54] <santa_> well the idea of automation-ng is using clones which you are suposed to keep
[18:55] <santa_> if your intention is to clone all the repositories each time a new upstream release arrives that is going to take a long time
[18:55] <yofel> doesn't work for me. I know myself, and if I have repo clones lying around, I *will* use them for random stuff. And I need a clean environment for the automation stuff
[18:56] <yofel> sure, that's why -t is supposed to be optional
[18:56] <yofel> there's nothing wrong with the script supporting both persistent and volatile workflows
[18:57] <santa_> well, I fail to see whats the problem
[18:57] <santa_> if you don't trust your previous clones you can clone them again
[18:58] <santa_> or if you screwed up and you want to start fresh or whatever
[18:58] <yofel> well, for starters, the git-clone-all I tried, cloned all repos inside of the kubuntu-automation checkout, without subfolder. Sorry, but that's a no-go for me
[18:59] <yofel> ok, I can go and make a symlink, and copy all the config stuff it needs to the temporary location, but the script should do that really.
[19:00] <yofel> And why would a *library* function rely on a specific execution location? If it needs the path, that's supposed to be a function parameter, not an in-function call
[19:00] <santa_> wat
[19:01] <yofel> def getFtpVersionMap(releaseType):
[19:01] <yofel> [snip]
[19:01] <yofel>     cwd = os.path.dirname(os.path.realpath(__file__))
[19:01] <vertago1> yofel: any tips on sorting out the packing issues from the kci / git repo issues?
[19:01] <yofel> well, guess what, cwd depends on where you run it...
[19:01] <yofel> or where you are when that function is called
[19:06] <santa_> yofel: that cwd depends on where lib/utils.py is located
[19:06] <yofel> not if you os.chdir() before you run the function
[19:06] <yofel> which is what -t does
[19:07] <yofel> I mean, you can rework it to work even with that cwd call, but why would you rely on that in the first place?
[19:08] <santa_> hmm before anything, could you clarify exactly what are you trying to do and the expected behaviour?
[19:09] <santa_> I mean
[19:09] <santa_> $ git-clone-all -r frameworks -t
[19:09] <santa_> ↑ this?
[19:09] <santa_> something else?
[19:10] <yofel> ./git-clone-all -r frameworks -t ./foobar/
[19:10] <yofel> after that all repos should be inside ./foobar/
[19:10] <yofel> which means that git has to be run in foobar/, which means that cwd is in foobar
[19:11] <santa_> oh, ok, I don't think that is difficult to achieve
[19:12] <yofel> probably not, but I hit so many env assumtions in the script that it felt like I'm wasting me time
[19:12] <santa_> give me some minutes to code and think about what you have said so we can reach an "agreement" here
[19:13] <santa_> I don't think there isn't so many env assumptions but let me have a look
[19:13] <yofel> I'm actually happy that you're putting code into lib functions, but I want to eventually have those testable, and the current implementation is rather bad for that
[19:16] <yofel> vertago1: not where it's just a merge conflict. It's better if you look for build failures, missing files, lintian warnings etc. For those you can easily send me a patch that I can apply
[19:17] <yofel> git diff would be idea ofc. The repositories are on http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/ and the CI builds from the kubuntu_unstable / kubuntu_stable branches
[19:17] <santa_> yofel: ok. I have seen you have implemented the -t option, it works as expected here
[19:18] <yofel> I think it actually worked for frameworks or so, but did nothing for applications. Something weird like that
[19:18] <yofel> been a while since I tried it
[19:18] <vertago1> has anyone thought about having KCI guess what the problem is to apply tags to build failures?
[19:19] <santa_> yofel: also I'm inclined to think you are wrong about this:
[19:19] <santa_> [20:06] <santa_> yofel: that cwd depends on where lib/utils.py is located
[19:19] <santa_> [20:06] <yofel> not if you os.chdir() before you run the function
[19:19] <Riddell> vertago1: what's up with breeze-icons? I was packaging that today
[19:19] <yofel> possibly, I remember there being something wrong and thought that was it
[19:19] <santa_> I think it works regardless of what you do with os.chdir
[19:21] <santa_> yofel: ok, so would you give the thing another chance, so we can figure out the actual issues?
[19:21] <yofel> let me try
[19:21] <vertago1> Riddell: I am fairly new to you all's packing workflow, but the merger script for breeze icons is complaining of a merge conflict
[19:21] <santa_> we could try it for plasma 5.5.1 or so
[19:21] <Riddell> vertago1: url?
[19:21] <vertago1> Riddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_breeze-icons/
[19:22] <vertago1> is there any easy way to scrape the console outputs of the packages so I could look into writing a script to tag them?
[19:23] <yofel> you'll want to talk to sitter about that
[19:23] <vertago1> actually I should wait on that. I am still trying to figure out which branch would be best to look for problems in. Senile?
[19:23] <Riddell> vertago1: thanks, fixed
[19:24] <vertago1> Riddell: thanks
[19:24] <Riddell> vertago1: at some point a manual fix it needed, I'm not sure automating a tag on problems to label them would be worth any time it saved since manual look would still be needed
[19:25] <vertago1> Riddel: yeah, I think it would be only useful if people were good at fixing particular kinds of problems and it was easier for them to find those problems by looking for a tag.
[19:27] <vertago1> I am seeing this error a lot "Upload was likely rejected, we have been waiting for well over 30 minutes!"
[19:28] <vertago1> It doesn't appear to be accurate because the timestamps don't reflect a 30minute wait
[19:29] <santa_> yofel: is it possible that you got something like this: https://paste.kde.org/pnkresnlw ?
[19:29] <yofel> that too, I forgot the mkdir call
[19:30] <yofel> but the script does seem to work now
[19:30] <santa_> yeah, was about to say that
[19:33] <clivejo> does anyone else find that when they click on the taskbar to switch to another prgramme, that the cursor picks up a shortcut instead?
[19:33] <vertago1> yes
[19:33] <clivejo> its really getting on my nerves now
[19:33] <vertago1> and sometimes it crashes plasma
[19:33] <vertago1> or at least it used to
[19:33] <clivejo> I havent crashed plasma in months
[19:33] <vertago1> yeah I think that part might be fixed
[19:33] <vertago1> I don't understand why it is picking up an icon though
[19:34] <clivejo> but cant understand why is keeps picking up the shortcut
[19:34] <clivejo> and it keeps following me until I click on the desktop and create the icon
[19:34] <clivejo> I have to keep a section of desktop clear as an icon dump!
[19:35] <vertago1> clivejo do you think an event might be getting lost so it thinks it is a click and drag instead of a single click?
[19:35] <clivejo> well I thought that it was my wireless mouse
[19:35] <clivejo> but I have a USB wired mouse and its doing the same
[19:35] <vertago1> I have a logitech g9x and have the issue
[19:35] <clivejo> my wireless mouse is logitech
[19:36] <clivejo> but this wired one is a M$ one
[19:36] <clivejo> a Basic Optical Mouse version 1.0
[19:36] <clivejo> 1.0A
[19:37] <yofel> I've seen that, but I can usually get rid by dropping the icon onto the app it came from
[19:37] <vertago1> that is what I have done
[19:37] <shadeslayer> vertago1: re tags , you mean like http://kci.pangea.pub/job/wily_unstable_purpose/74/parsed_console/
[19:37] <clivejo> yofel: its just a bloody pain having to dump the icon somewhere
[19:37] <yofel> agreed
[19:38] <clivejo> when you're busy trying to do something
[19:38] <clivejo> has anyone reported it?
[19:39] <vertago1> shadeslayer: that is several steps toward what I would want to do. The next steps would involve filtering by errors or warnings. That would let you exclude all the build errors do to git
[19:39] <clivejo> I dont know if its my workflow, but the majority of the icons are firefox and dolphin
[19:39] <shadeslayer> Hm, might be possible
[19:39] <clivejo> firefox the vast majority
[19:39] <vertago1> clivejo: I wonder if I could use wireshark's USB monitoring to troubleshoot it
[19:39] <shadeslayer> Iirc Jenkins allows Job tagging
[19:40] <clivejo> vertago1: if you know how, please do!  Id love to see it resolved
[19:40] <vertago1> clivejo I need to be able to trigger it though
[19:40] <clivejo> if 3 of us are experiencing it, must be an issue somewhere
[19:40] <vertago1> clivejo: it seems to be sporadic
[19:41] <clivejo> <---- Xenial up-to-date as of yesterday morning
[19:41] <yofel> happens in wily for me
[19:41] <clivejo> the quicker, or more of a hurry Im in the worse it is
[19:42] <vertago1> clivejo, it may be a click and drag threshold that needs to be adjusted
[19:43] <clivejo> wonder should I mention it in plasma
[19:43] <vertago1> the drag start distance default seems to be 4pixels
[19:43] <clivejo> is it a kubuntu issue or all KDE distros
[19:44] <vertago1> clivejo, I would try upping the drag start distance to 8 pixels or more and see if it makes it not as bad
[19:44] <clivejo> how do I do that?
[19:44] <vertago1> if you search mouse on the application launcher it is under the advanced tab
[19:44] <vertago1> called "drag start distance"
[19:45] <clivejo> ah yes
[19:45] <vertago1> I use a high resolution: 1920x1200 so 4 pixels is fairly small
[19:45] <clivejo> upped to 8
[19:45] <clivejo> will try that for a while
[19:45] <vertago1> you may need it even higher
[19:50] <clivejo> what happened 5-6days ago to throw senial packages off?
[19:50] <santa_> yofel, ok I found what I think it was wrong when you tried it
[19:50] <clivejo> back to over 300 broken
[19:51] <yofel> clivejo: branch switching for stable did that I guess
[19:52] <santa_> yofel: maybe something like this https://paste.kde.org/pm7zbweh6 ?
[19:52] <yofel> don't think so, I think it literally did nothing (package list update from ftp failed?)
[19:53] <clivejo> yofel: any update on how to fix networkmanager-qt ?
[19:53] <yofel> update? that still is waiting for scarlett to update n-m
[19:53] <soee_> Applications 15.12 released :)
[19:54] <yofel> diff: - milestone link. That's better linked from qa
[19:54] <clivejo> soee_: when will you have the packaged and ready for testing :P
[19:55] <soee_> :D
[19:55] <santa_> yofel: in any case I think I have a couple of small changes for git-clone-all
[19:55] <soee_> here i relay on the devs :_-)
[19:56] <yofel> 15.12 added
[19:56] <soee_> topic says that: TODO Apps 15.08.3, should 15.12 be done not the old one ?
[19:56] <santa_> btw this line
[19:56] <santa_> workdir = args.workdir if args.workdir else cwd
[19:56] <yofel> now it does ;)
[19:56] <clivejo> soee_: you do know we are subscribed to the release mailing list and know this already :)
[19:57] <santa_> disappeared misteriously after the merge
[19:57] <soee_> clivejo: i;m like a smart bot that  remainds it anyway :D
[19:57] <yofel> o.O
[19:57] <clivejo> like a facebook poke
[19:58] <yofel> now someone has to write a depression bot that constantly reminds us of all the things we have to do
[19:59] <vertago1> you can put writing that bot on the list of things the bot should remind you to do
[19:59] <soee_> :}
[19:59] <yofel> ahahaha
[19:59] <clivejo> oh kolab will be at FOSDEM
[20:02]  * yofel goes back to making ppa-build-status write out json
[20:02]  * clivejo wishes he knew what was broken and how to fix it
[20:03] <yofel> the script is currently both a) a data processor, b) a print-out-html-string-because-that's-the-cool-way thingy because that was easy to do and because nobody cares and because AAAAARGh
[20:05] <clivejo> like parley, why does the AMD64 build ok, but 386 wont install the deps?!?
[20:05] <yofel> where?
[20:05] <vertago1> clivejo, that sounds like there may be a naming difference between amd64 and i386
[20:06] <clivejo> vertago1: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/230041926/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-i386.parley_4%3A15.08.2%2Bgit20151215.0457%2B16.04-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[20:06] <yofel> probably more like other packages not building on i386 as well
[20:06] <vertago1> hmm
[20:06] <clivejo> kio-dev but it is not going to be installed
[20:07]  * clivejo kicks KCI
[20:07] <vertago1> why can't it fetch teh gpg key?
[20:07] <yofel> yeah, you can't debug that without aptitude, apt with debug output, or dose output
[20:07] <yofel> good question, but this is launchpad internal, so it doesn't really need to
[20:08] <santa_> yofel: pushed the simple fixes to https://github.com/jmsantamaria/kubuntu-automation-work
[20:08] <santa_> this way it will work better
[20:08] <santa_> btw I shouldn't have called that variable cwd, since it's confusing
[20:09] <vertago1> santa_ scriptdir would probably make sense
[20:09] <santa_> or installdir or something like that
[20:11] <yofel> merged. Into master btw. as we should really start using them (And I kind of messed up while juggling branches)
[20:12] <santa_> ok, I will try to be here as much as possible to assist with issues
[20:12] <yofel> #packages we know use a different version than the rest of the release
[20:12] <yofel> differentVersion = ["baloo-kf5", "kfilemetadata-kf5", "kdepimlibs", "kdepim", "kdepim-runtime", "kde4libs"]
[20:13] <yofel> wow, even ppa-build-status has hardcoded configs /o\
[20:24] <vertago1> clifejo: so that is the kubuntu_xenail_archive branch here http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/parley.git/refs/heads?
[20:25] <clivejo> the KCI is using the unstable and stable branches
[20:25] <vertago1> ok
[20:25] <vertago1> is that parley the stable branch?
[20:27] <clivejo> both stable and unstable are failing
[20:27] <clivejo> due to the 386 build
[20:27] <clivejo> I attempted to fix it and got the AMD64 to build locally and then on KCI
[20:28] <clivejo> but the 386 keeps FTBFS
[20:28] <clivejo> I have no idea why
[20:28] <vertago1> clivejo are all the dependencies available?
[20:28] <vertago1> I am looking at the list
[20:28] <vertago1> cmake,
[20:28] <vertago1>                debhelper (>= 9),
[20:28] <vertago1>                extra-cmake-modules,
[20:28] <vertago1>                imagemagick,
[20:28] <vertago1>                kdoctools-dev,
[20:28] <vertago1>                kio-dev,
[20:28] <clivejo> as far as I can see
[20:28] <vertago1>                kross-dev,
[20:28] <vertago1>                libkeduvocdocument-dev,
[20:28] <vertago1>                libkf5config-dev,
[20:28] <vertago1>                libkf5coreaddons-dev,
[20:28] <vertago1>                libkf5crash-dev,
[20:29] <vertago1>                libkf5i18n-dev,
[20:29] <vertago1>                libkf5kcmutils-dev,
[20:29] <vertago1>                libkf5khtml-dev,
[20:29] <vertago1>                libkf5newstuff-dev,
[20:29] <vertago1>                libkf5sonnet-dev,
[20:29] <vertago1>                libqt5svg5-dev,
[20:29] <vertago1>                libxml2-dev,
[20:29] <vertago1>                libxslt-dev,
[20:29] <vertago1>                pkg-config,
[20:29] <vertago1>                pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.12),
[20:29] <vertago1>                qtmultimedia5-dev,
[20:29] <vertago1>                qtscript5-dev
[20:29] <clivejo> vertago1: we prefer to use a paste bin :)
[20:29] <vertago1> yeah I didn't realize it was going to do that
[20:29] <clivejo> https://paste.kde.org/
[20:29] <clivejo> or the likes
[20:30] <vertago1> quassel keeps sending me to file : ///home..../kioexec/krun/ when I click URLs
[20:30] <clivejo> I did attempt to setup a 386 pbuild but I ran into problems
[20:30] <vertago1> how do you sent one up?
[20:31] <vertago1> I can setup a i386 container
[20:31] <clivejo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[20:31]  * clivejo doesnt like 386
[20:32] <vertago1> have you use lxc at all?
[20:32] <vertago1> they arn't that bad. I set one up because of a regression in samba
[20:32] <yofel> clivejo: what problem did you run into regarding i386 pbuilder?
[20:33]  * clivejo has a slow internet connection and had to upload and downland calligra source on numurious occassions
[20:33] <clivejo> yofel: getting the packages
[20:33] <yofel> o.O that should work the same as always when in an i386 chroot
[20:35] <santa_> The following packages couldn't be cloned:
[20:35] <santa_> spectacle
[20:35] <santa_> ↑ what's that?
[20:37] <vertago1> pbuilder create --architecture i386?
[20:37] <yofel> seems to be some new app in 15.12
[20:37] <vertago1> looks like it wants sudo
[20:37] <vertago1> I am going to see if I can run it in userland
[20:38]  * yofel has a very custom pbuilder setup (not userland)
[20:38] <yofel> so can't really help with the defaults
[20:38]  * clivejo wonders how yofel has pbuilder set up
[20:38] <vertago1> it doesn't work in userland because of debbootstrap
[20:39] <vertago1> I got it to start fetching stuff
[20:39] <clivejo> mine fetched lots of stuff, but then stopped
[20:39] <clivejo> that ppa seems to corrupt things
[20:39] <yofel> enjoy my pbuilderrc paste.ubuntu.com/14056289/ - lots of stuff you don't need, but maybe you'll find something interesting
[20:39] <vertago1> the problem is I am on wiley so I don't know if it will be a good test
[20:40] <yofel> hm, I need to update the debian codenames ^^
[20:40] <clivejo> vertago1: you can create pbuilder instances for xenial too
[20:41] <clivejo> BTW senial is sitters codename for xenial
[20:41] <clivejo> sorry senile
[20:42] <vertago1> is that how it is pronounced anyway?
[20:42] <clivejo> he has me typing senial by mistake
[20:42] <BluesKaj> zenial
[20:42] <clivejo> only if you have a certain accent ;)
[20:42] <vertago1> hahaha
[20:42] <vertago1> BlueKaj that is what I thought
[20:44] <clivejo> grrrr stupid symbols
[20:46] <clivejo> what is purpose anyway?
[20:46] <clivejo> Ive packaged it and have no idea what its for!
[20:47] <yofel> Description: library for abstractions to get the developer's purposes fulfilled
[20:47] <yofel> uhuuuuh...
[20:47] <yofel> sounds very meta
[20:47]  * clivejo feels enlightened
[20:48] <clivejo> yofel: its part of framesworks now?
[20:48] <yofel> looks like it
[20:48] <yofel> maybe it has a purpose there
[20:48] <clivejo> why doesnt it have a frameworks version number?
[20:49] <vertago1> hmm
[20:49] <vertago1> it looks like my system config is incompatible with pbuilder as is
[20:50] <yofel> oh, it's not in 5.17
[20:50] <yofel> #libnamingconfusion
[20:50] <vertago1> I am going to have to get it to download the packages to the same physical device I am making the base configs on
[20:51] <yofel> if you're getting ln errors, you can disable the aptcache and use bindmounts or so
[20:51] <vertago1> it is trying to hardlink across two hard drives
[20:52] <clivejo> strange, its under frameworks in debian git - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/frameworks/purpose.git/
[20:52] <yofel> right, I get that too when building in tmpfs, so I'm using this when I do:
[20:52] <yofel> BINDMOUNTS="/var/cache/apt/archives/ /run/"
[20:52] <yofel> APTCACHE=""
[20:52] <vertago1> I have a ssd for / and a platter drive for /home
[20:53] <vertago1> I am just going to let it use /var for the base
[20:53] <vertago1> I may need to move it later though
[20:59] <santa_> https://github.com/jmsantamaria/kubuntu-automation-work/commits/master
[20:59] <santa_> ↑ yofel stuff needed to bump the build depends for the last versions
[21:02] <yofel> I really don't see the point of that list you know
[21:02] <yofel> but thanks for the update
[21:02] <santa_> the json with all the -dev packages?
[21:03] <yofel> yep
[21:03] <yofel> or well, the package list has a potential use, but the versions?
[21:03] <santa_> they have the epoch or not
[21:04] <santa_> so no need to hardcode which packages are epoch'ed
[21:04] <vertago1> clivejo so after getting a i386 pbuilder setup where do I get the .dsc to do the build?
[21:05] <santa_> note that the list is generated automatically with dev-package-names-list
[21:05] <santa_> also note that this script could be glued with the bump-* script in the future
[21:05] <yofel> aaaaah, that script actually does look up the real epoch
[21:05] <yofel> ok
[21:06] <santa_> yeah, parses the changelogs
[21:08] <clivejo> vertago1: debuild -S
[21:08] <vertago1> clivejo, in what context?
[21:09] <clivejo> to get the .dsc to build in pbuilder
[21:10] <vertago1> I need the tar files
[21:12] <vertago1> should I enter the pbuild environment and then use apt-source?
[21:12] <vertago1> I mean apt-get source
[21:14] <clivejo> well I grab the debian git branch and then use uscan to grab the source
[21:14] <vertago1> it is complaining that I don't have a sources.list
[21:14] <yofel> that's an option. Other one is to look up the URL on the web ui, or to use pull-ppa-source from lp:kubuntu-dev-tools, or to just rebuild from git as clive said
[21:15] <clivejo> but KCI is grabbing the source directly from git
[21:15] <vertago1> I already have the source from git and I checkout out the xenail-unstable branch
[21:15] <clivejo> so in those cases I download the source from KCI PPA's
[21:16] <clivejo> then you need to debuild -S to build the source
[21:16] <clivejo> and instead of uploading to your PPA, you build it in pbuilder
[21:17] <clivejo> for example  use pbuilder-dist xenial build ../*dsc
[21:17] <clivejo> that builds it in a nice clean xenial install
[21:17] <clivejo> on my machine
[21:19] <clivejo> yofel: do you know what top level package creates libkf5kcmutils-dev ?
[21:19] <vertago1> it is complaing about no .orig.tar.xz even though it is there
[21:19] <yofel> clivejo: apt-cache showsrc libkf5kcmutils-dev
[21:19] <vertago1> it looks like the version number is wrong
[21:20] <santa_> kscreenlocker (exit status = 1)
[21:20] <santa_> discover (exit status = 1)
[21:20] <santa_> breeze-gtk (exit status = 1)
[21:21] <clivejo> check debian/changelog and make sure the versions are the same
[21:21] <santa_> ↑ this packages from plasma doesn't have a kubuntu_xenial_archive branch
[21:21] <vertago1> how do you keep uscan from downloading newer versions?
[21:21] <yofel> they're new
[21:22] <santa_> could you create the branches then so I can continue to test the thing?
[21:22] <santa_> (no hurry)
[21:25] <vertago1> I must have the wrong download url for uscan it says no matching hrefs for 15.08.2
[21:26] <yofel> no, that's uscan not properly fetching all versions it could find.
[21:26] <yofel> I believe there's an uscan bug report for that
[21:27] <vertago1> looks like I will have to do it manually
[21:30] <vertago1> ls
[21:33] <vertago1> hmm my build failed but for a different reason
[21:34] <vertago1> actually when I looked at it more closely it is the same error, but my base probably has less installed by default
[21:36] <vertago1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14056655/
[21:36] <clivejo> yofel: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/230149652/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-i386.kdeclarative_5.17.0%2Bgit20151216.0354%2B16.04-0_BUILDING.txt.gz says libkf5declarative-dev_5.17.0+git20151216.0354+16.04-0_i386.deb is being built ok
[21:36] <yofel> okaaaay..?
[21:37] <clivejo> yet sbuild-build-depends-kcmutils-dummy : Depends: libkf5declarative-dev (>= 5.16.0~) but it is not going to be installed
[21:37] <clivejo> why?
[21:37] <yofel> apt saying that doesn't mean that package is the problem
[21:37] <yofel> it is the package that apt fails on, due to dep issues with other packages
[21:38] <yofel> as I said, you need the output from aptitude, or apt with -o debug::pkgproblemresolver=true, or some kind of dose output to debug this
[21:38] <yofel> the apt output in the buildlog is next to useless
[21:39] <clivejo> it only seems to be an issue in 386
[21:39] <vertago1> yofel is there a way to get apt to include that option inside pbuilder?
[21:39] <yofel> you can put it into the chroot's apt.conf I gues
[21:39] <yofel> s
[21:40] <vertago1> how do you change the base and save updates?
[21:40] <vertago1> nvm
[21:40] <vertago1> I will just manually edit the .tgz
[21:40] <yofel> pbuilder login --save-after-login
[21:40] <vertago1> that is easier
[21:41] <yofel> just make sure your last command exist with 0
[21:41] <yofel> otherwise it won't save
[21:42] <yofel> python 2's datetime class has no easy way to generate a unix timestamp, seriously?
[21:42] <yofel> first time that I see something useful in 3
[21:44] <vertago1> yofel are you talking about an epoch timestamp? I am pretty sure you can get that in python 2
[21:45] <yofel> I'm properly bllind, but I see nothing on https://docs.python.org/2/library/datetime.html
[21:45] <yofel> I'll just port the script to py3. Needs to be done anyway
[21:47] <vertago1> yofel there is no obvious function, but it looks like most people just use .strftime("%s")
[21:47] <vertago1> which is ugly because you have to parse a format string
[21:47] <clivejo> yofel: I used sudo DIST=xenial ARCH=i386 pbuilder create does this overwrite my AMD64 environment?
[21:48] <vertago1> clivejo I used pbuilder create --basetgz xenial_i386_base.tgz --architecture i386 --distribution xenial
[21:48] <yofel> not with my config if that's what you're trying...
[21:48] <vertago1> my config is empty
[21:49] <vertago1> minus the parallel build lines I copied from yofel's config
[21:49] <clivejo> Im reviewing my 386 setup, trying to find out why its not working
[21:51] <clivejo> but I only have one xenial-base.tgz
[21:51] <clivejo> I think Ive overwritten my amd64 environment
[21:51] <vertago1> clivejo I explicity name my base.tgz to keep from doing that
[21:52] <yofel> my setup will e.g. create a /var/cache/pbuilder/xenial-amd64.tgz
[21:52] <clivejo> vertago1: thanks, I must do that in future
[21:52] <clivejo> mine seems to put it in ~/pbuilder
[21:52] <yofel> right, depends on your config
[21:53] <clivejo> which is what I want my /home is on a HDD and keeps writes off my SSD
[21:54] <vertago1> this is the new error I get after adding pkgproblemresolver to the config: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14056915/
[21:54] <vertago1> it looks like my source urls are wrong
[21:54] <vertago1> kdoctools-dev which is a virtual package and is not provided by any available package.
[21:55] <clivejo> did you add the KCI PPA?
[21:55] <vertago1> no
[21:56] <vertago1> I will do that now
[21:57]  * clivejo waits on new pbuilder base to download
[21:57] <clivejo> sucks being on a slow connection
[21:59] <clivejo> vertago1: what are you trying to build?
[21:59] <vertago1> parley on i386
[21:59] <vertago1> since it was broken
[22:00] <vertago1> I am having trouble finding the exact ppa I should add
[22:01] <vertago1> this one: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable?
[22:01] <clivejo> looks like it
[22:03] <clivejo> I think its higher up in the dep tree
[22:04] <clivejo> a lot of those failing on KCI are due to the 386 build
[22:04] <vertago1> I just got the repo added
[22:05] <clivejo> vertago1: are you on LP?
[22:05] <yofel> wait, you're keeping writes off the SSD? why? They're built for stuff like that
[22:05] <vertago1> yofel my home dir is much much larger than my ssd
[22:06] <clivejo> yofel: I read keeping writes off a SSD helps its life
[22:06] <yofel> the split itself I understand, I had that myself for a while
[22:07] <vertago1> I just have to make sure I don't fill up the ssd, so far it isn't a problem but I have had to put /var/lib/mysql off the ssd before
[22:07] <yofel> clivejo: you should measure the wear and see if it matters. From my experience it doesn't unless you have really heavy workloads. And for package building the SSD is a nice thing
[22:07] <vertago1> I have enough ram I could do the package building in ram
[22:07] <vertago1> unless it is a big package like gcc
[22:08] <vertago1> or plasma
[22:08] <clivejo> yofel: its small so I just use it for system, all tmp and cache are on HDD
[22:08] <yofel> ah, then it might matter
[22:08] <yofel> the smart data usually has some vendor dependent wear indicator
[22:08] <clivejo> then /home is backed up to 2Tb external HDD
[22:09] <clivejo> I dont want to kill my SSD, I love it too much!
[22:10] <yofel> that's how I felt about my first 60G SSD, in the end I stopped worrying, but still only managed to wear it out ~50% after ~5 years
[22:10] <vertago1> I have 1.02TB of writes to mine
[22:11] <clivejo> oh, this time pbuilder create has made xenial-i386-base.tgz
[22:12] <clivejo> in /var/cache/pbuilder/xenial-i386-base.tgz
[22:12] <clivejo> strange
[22:12] <clivejo> didnt do that last time
[22:13] <yofel> my server SSD (300GB intel 320) says it wrote 86TiB, and the wear indicator sits at 94% life left (The warranty was 35TiB). I guess they measure the absolute worst case workload
[22:14] <vertago1> here is the most recent failure
[22:14] <vertago1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14057389/
[22:15] <yofel> is universe enabled in the PPA?
[22:21] <clivejo> I cant get i386 to work
[22:27] <vertago1> i am enabling universe now and will retry it
[22:29] <vertago1> it appears to be working
[22:29]  * clivejo gives up again, too tired
[22:30] <vertago1> yofel it looks like for some reason the repos are not right for the i386 builds
[22:30] <vertago1> the error matches the error I got before I added the KCI ppa
[22:31] <clivejo> vertago1: the dep's are failing too
[22:31] <yofel> could be, still leaves the question of what the issue is
[22:31] <vertago1> mine is building though
[22:32] <vertago1> no dependency problems after enabling the ppa and universe
[22:34] <vertago1> it succeeded but I don't know where it put the .deb file
[22:34] <vertago1> where is the kci build code for setting up pbuilder for i386?
[22:37] <vertago1> I have enough information I could probably write a wiki page tutorial on how to setup a local test
[22:42] <yofel> kci doesn't use pbuilder but uploads the builds to launchpad (which uses some customized sbuild AFAIR)
[22:43] <vertago1> yofel any idea on how to configure its source repos?
[22:43] <yofel> grrr, whoever said that string handling in py3 improved was crazy
[22:44] <yofel> vertago1: pbuilder has an OTHERMIRROR setting that you might be able to use to inject a ppa into --create
[22:44] <vertago1> I meant for launchpad so kci can be fixed
[22:45] <clivejo> vertago1: do you have buildlog for your parley build in pbuilder?
[22:45] <clivejo> see what version of the packages its installing
[22:46] <vertago1> it looks like i need to run it again and pipe the output to a file
[22:47] <vertago1> or use --logfile
[22:47] <clivejo> could be installing older stable versions
[22:52] <vertago1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14058223/
[22:52] <clivejo> its installing older versions
[22:53] <clivejo> libkf5kcmutils-data [5.15.0-0ubuntu2 (xenial)]
[22:53] <clivejo> libkf5kcmutils5 : Depends: libkf5kcmutils-data (= 5.17.0+git20151214.0845+16.04-0) but it is not going to be installed.
[22:54] <clivejo> installing from the archive rather than the PPA
[22:55] <clivejo> can you add a hook to drop into the terminal
[22:55] <clivejo> see why it cant/wont install 5.17.0
[22:56] <vertago1> how do I do that?
[22:57] <clivejo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#Using_the_Kubuntu_pbuilder_hooks
[22:58] <clivejo> theres a hook to drop into the pbuilder environment after the build
[22:59] <clivejo> cant remember now to do it exactly
[22:59] <clivejo> how
[23:00] <vertago1> I see list missing
[23:01] <yofel> C10shell is what you need
[23:02] <clivejo> yofel to the rescue!
[23:02] <yofel> helping you guys is more fun than fixing python str != byte issues
[23:02] <clivejo> vertago1: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks/view/head:/C10shell
[23:03] <clivejo> yofel: does it only drop to shell if it fails?
[23:03] <yofel> C10shell yes, B10shell would drop on success
[23:03] <clivejo> cause it is building successfully
[23:04] <yofel> :96
[23:04] <yofel> oops
[23:04] <clivejo> its dropping back to 5.15.0-0ubuntu2 instead of using 5.17.0
[23:06] <yofel> can you install the 5.17 version by hand?
[23:07] <clivejo> I cant even get a i386 environment setup :(
[23:07] <vertago1> ok I got a shell after the build
[23:08] <vertago1> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[23:08] <vertago1>  libkf5khtml5 : Depends: libkf5khtml-data (= 5.17.0+git20151214.0838+16.04-0) but 5.17.0+git20151215.0437+16.04-0 is to be installed
[23:12] <vertago1> This one probably needs to be fixed first: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_khtml/
[23:13] <vertago1> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/230040872/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-i386.khtml_5.17.0%2Bgit20151215.0437%2B16.04-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[23:14] <clivejo> thats failing on kio-dev, libkf5parts-dev and libkf5wallet-dev
[23:14] <vertago1> those are the same as before
[23:14] <clivejo> thats why I think its up the dep tree somewhere
[23:15] <clivejo> ah - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/230149363/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-i386.kio_5.17.0%2Bgit20151216.0344%2B16.04-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[23:15] <clivejo> symbols
[23:17] <vertago1> it looks like a function name was changed
[23:18] <vertago1> - _ZNK13KUrlNavigator7Private17retrievePlacePathEv@Base 4.96.0 + _ZNK13KUrlNavigator7Private16retrievePlaceUrlEv@Base 5.17.0+git20151216.0344+16.04-0
[23:27] <clivejo> yofel: ping
[23:27] <yofel> hm?
[23:27] <clivejo> Ive updated the symbols for kio
[23:28] <yofel> good?
[23:28] <clivejo> but not sure on what to put in the changelog
[23:28] <yofel> for CI? nothing
[23:29] <yofel> or what branch are you on?
[23:29] <clivejo> kubuntu_unstable
[23:29] <yofel> nothing then
[23:29] <yofel> just write a proper commit message
[23:30] <vertago1> hopefully that is at least part of a fix if not a full fix
[23:31] <clivejo> soon see :)
[23:31] <clivejo> KCI has picked it up and building now
[23:33] <clivejo> vertago1: how long did it take to build on your machine?
[23:33] <vertago1> not very long but I was using 8 cores
[23:34] <clivejo> last build on KCI was 24mins
[23:34] <clivejo> so I guess LP is slower
[23:35] <yofel> that includes the publishing
[23:36] <clivejo> i386 is 25%
[23:36] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/8449523
[23:38] <clivejo> yofel: BTW can I start KCI rebuilds?
[23:39] <clivejo> I logged in with my LP ID but says I dont have permission
[23:39] <yofel> that requires being in ~kubuntu-members
[23:39] <clivejo> oh
[23:41] <yofel> wtf? in my script here, log.index() always throws a "ValueError: substring not found", but does return the correctly found index
[23:41] <stacksUpHigh> is gnome good? new to linux..
[23:41] <stacksUpHigh> python programming is so much better using ubuntu though
[23:41] <yofel> #ubuntu-gnome will likely answer with yes, we will with no
[23:41] <yofel> so I don't think we can help much there ^^
[23:42] <clivejo> stacksUpHigh: We use the KDE desktop, hence the K in Kubuntu
[23:42] <vertago1> I haven't used gnome much since gnome 2
[23:43]  * clivejo is not a fan of Gnome or Unity
[23:44] <clivejo> well the buildlogs look good :)
[23:44] <clivejo> yofel: KCI retries all builds at midnight UTC?
[23:45] <yofel> during the night, no idea what exact time
[23:45] <yofel> sounds about right though looking at the logs
[23:45] <clivejo> I seem to get pinged every night around that time!
[23:46] <vertago1> that is 15minutes from now
[23:46] <vertago1> hopefully it finishes before that
[23:47] <clivejo> its finished
[23:47] <clivejo> just needs to publish the files to the PPA
[23:48] <clivejo> always forget about that part
[23:48] <clivejo> takes ages!
[23:49] <clivejo> the bot should post a message in here
[23:51] <yofel> *facepalm*
[23:51] <yofel> I spent an hour debugging a corrupt cache. RAGE
[23:51] <vertago1> ouch
[23:51] <vertago1> ccache?
[23:52]  * clivejo offers Phillip a stiff drink
[23:52] <yofel> no, the script has it's own caching
[23:52] <yofel> heh thanks
[23:52] <yofel> and kio is happy
[23:52] <clivejo> yippee we saved a Lemming
[23:52] <vertago1> hopefully all its dependents become happy once kci gives them the kick to rebuild
[23:53] <clivejo> wheres wily
[23:53]  * clivejo kicks kubuntu-ci bot
[23:53] <vertago1> does the merge work?
[23:53] <yofel> brrr, there's even more html inlining *-.-
[23:54] <clivejo> hopefully purpose can build tonight and I can fix the symbols tomorrow
[23:56] <yofel> I triggered a build for it
[23:56] <clivejo> there are other deps need to build first
[23:58] <clivejo> kaccounts, kcmutils and kdeconnect


[12:40] <jenda> MenZa: got a package ;)
[12:40] <jenda> (but gotta run)
[02:15] <MenZa> :D
[02:25] <jenda> well, am back now ;)
[02:28] <MenZa> nice :D
[02:28] <MenZa> Interesting case?
[02:28] <jenda> yep
[02:29] <jenda> Father vs. Misbehaving Tenant
[02:34] <MenZa> :o
[02:37] <jenda>
[02:37] <jenda> I'll bbl.
[05:03] <beuno> ping somerville32
[07:08] <somerville32> beuno: pong
[07:08] <beuno> hey there
[07:09] <somerville32> hi
[07:09] <beuno> how's it going?
[07:10] <somerville32> Pretty good
[07:10] <somerville32> Lets get UWN 27 out :]
[07:11] <beuno> yes
[07:11] <somerville32> gobby.ubuntu.com
[07:11] <beuno> that's where I was going at
[07:11] <beuno> also, I saw this mail about getting the herd2 page up
[07:11] <beuno> what do you know about that?
[07:12] <somerville32> just woke up :P
[07:13] <beuno> heh, I'm still tryin to
[07:13] <WaterSevenUb> somerville32, sorry.. .I was checking if we could use the server for translating the UWN...
[07:13] <WaterSevenUb> ?
[07:14] <WaterSevenUb> after release:)
[07:16] <somerville32> yp
[07:16] <somerville32> *yup :)
[07:16] <somerville32> beuno; login
[07:17] <WaterSevenUb> thanks.
[07:46] <tsmithe> ooh smelly!
[07:48] <somerville32> tsmithe: long on
[07:48] <somerville32> lol
[07:48] <somerville32> *log on
[07:48] <somerville32> We need to do UWN 27 :)
[07:48] <somerville32> jenda: Trivia contest results?
[07:50] <tsmithe> somerville32, i cant type... rearranged keys to dvorak :P
[07:50] <tsmithe> im not avoiding it - promise! :)
[07:51] <jenda> aha
[07:51] <tsmithe> aha?
[07:51] <somerville32> tsmithe: Just rearrange them back to normal
[07:52] <tsmithe> :D ive already broken two...
[07:58] <beuno> tsmithe: tell me if you get used to it, I've been wanting to give that a try for a while
[07:59] <jenda> lol ;)
[07:59] <jenda> tsmithe: I only broke one in the process ;)
[07:59] <tsmithe> bah
[07:59] <tsmithe> half fixed one...
[07:59] <jenda> No seriously - you took the plunge. Respek, mon ;)
[08:00] <tsmithe> right back at ya!
[08:00] <jenda> beuno: I use it, atoponce uses it - how could you not trust it ;)
[08:00] <jenda> and now even tsmithe uses it :)
[08:00] <beuno> lol
[08:00] <beuno> does it really improve speed?
[08:00] <tsmithe> its really quite easy to learn
[08:00] <tsmithe> but im slow
[08:00] <tsmithe> and: "even tsmithe"????
[08:02] <somerville32> lol
[08:02] <somerville32> Woot!
[08:03] <tsmithe> huh??
[08:03] <somerville32> Everyone come help! :P
[08:03] <tsmithe> ...?
[08:10] <beuno> somerville32: maybe "everyone" is a bit vage
[08:10] <beuno> I thing you should point fingers
[08:12] <somerville32> tsmithe: Common'
[08:12] <somerville32> Feisty changes are _really_ easy now :]
[08:12] <somerville32> You could do "Community News" if you wanted to
[08:12] <somerville32> We don't have anything under Community News
[08:13] <tsmithe> slow typing! and im gonna get food ;)
[08:13] <tsmithe> and i've got an essay to write :)
[08:13] <juliux> somerville32, if it is a community news, the german locoteam forum has now more then 500.000 posts;)
[08:14] <tsmithe> byes
[08:14] <tsmithe> woah
[08:14] <somerville32> juliux: Awesome! Come add that to the loco news! :D
[08:14] <tsmithe> :D
[08:14] <juliux> somerville32, my english is so bad
[08:14] <somerville32> lol
[08:15] <juliux> yes my english is bad
[08:15] <jenda> not me!
[08:15] <somerville32> Is there 500.000 posts or 500 000 posts?
[08:15] <somerville32> Thats... a half a million posts, lol
[08:15] <jenda> But I'll check juliux' english if he writes it :)
[08:15] <juliux> 500000 post
[08:15] <jenda> somerville32: 500 000 is better.
[08:15] <juliux> somerville32, in germany you write every 100 a dot;) so 1.000.000 is a million
[08:16] <jenda> 500.000 and 500,000 could be mistaken for 500
[08:16] <juliux> ah every 1000
[08:16] <jenda> same here
[08:16] <somerville32> juliux: Jenda will now interview you.
[08:16] <juliux> hmpf
[08:16] <jenda> No - jules will write it, and I'll check it after him ;)
[08:16] <juliux> somerville32, can you give me the gobby server datas
[08:16] <somerville32> Umm...
[08:16] <somerville32> the gobby server is dying, lol
[08:17] <somerville32> It is going _super_ slow
[08:17] <juliux> somerville32, ok i will add it tommorow
[08:17] <somerville32> Umm..
[08:17] <somerville32> we're releasing today :P
[08:17] <juliux> ah ok
[08:17] <somerville32> link to your forums?
[08:17] <juliux> so pls the address and pw;)
[08:17] <juliux> http://www.ubuntuusers.de/
[08:17] <beuno> juliux: gobby.ubuntu.com
[08:17] <beuno> no password
[08:17] <juliux> beuno, thxs
[08:17] <beuno> np
[08:20] <juliux> somerville32, it is not sure that the kubuntu team will be at chemnitz!
[08:20] <juliux> somerville32, they ask for projects but no projects are until now approved
[08:20] <somerville32> Well, modify it then
[08:20] <juliux> ok
[08:21] <juliux> i will add that there is also an ubuntu booth
[08:21] <juliux> somerville32, can i add that ubuntu and edubuntu will be also there?
[08:22] <somerville32> Yup
[08:22] <juliux> somerville32, did you know who writes this about the kubuntu at chemnitz linuxdays?
[08:23] <juliux> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ConferenceAppearances there is no entry about that
[08:24] <somerville32> No idea
[08:24] <juliux> hm
[08:24] <juliux> i am on all the german expo mailinglists and there come no mail
[08:24] <juliux> can we kick it this time and add it perhaps next time?
[08:25] <somerville32> Ok
[08:25] <somerville32> jenda: ping ping ping
[08:25] <jenda> somerville32: pong pong pong
[08:25] <jenda> somerville32: the trivia, I know.
[08:26] <somerville32> lol
[08:26] <jenda> I can't get the info :/
[08:26] <somerville32> You read my mind
[08:26] <somerville32> Why not?
[08:26] <somerville32> Ok
[08:26] <beuno> has anyone seen elkbuntu around lately?  I've been trying to get ahold of her for days now
[08:26] <somerville32> Deleting trivia section
[08:26] <jenda> I'll scan them logs.
[08:26] <jenda> somerville32: gimme a sec more :)
[08:26] <somerville32> lol
[08:26] <somerville32> juliux: Are you going to write that article about the geman froums?
[08:27] <somerville32> *german
[08:27] <juliux> somerville32, sure
[08:36] <juliux> somerville32, done, or should i write more?
[08:38] <juliux> jenda, did you need a price for the quiz?
[08:38] <jenda> juliux: I always need a prize for the quiz ;)
[08:39] <juliux> is a limited ubuntu edgy dvd a good prize?
[08:40] <juliux> but the cover is english
[08:40] <jenda> somerville32: got it!
[08:40] <jenda> juliux: very, very good :)
[08:40] <somerville32> :D
[08:40] <jenda> if you're willing to send it around the globe, I can announce it for next week.
[08:41] <juliux> jenda, ok the german ubuntu assocation sponsor a prize;)
[08:41] <jenda> juliux: can I just say German LoCo Team? :)
[08:41] <juliux> sure
[08:41] <somerville32> We need another Gobby server
[08:41] <jenda> Or is it the German Ubuntu Associacion, per se.
[08:41] <somerville32> this thing is too slow
[08:42] <juliux> jenda, LocoTeam != german ubuntu assocation;)
[08:43] <jenda> ok
[08:43] <juliux> somerville32, as i sad i can sponsor a gobby server on my server
[08:43] <somerville32> juliux: Set it up
[08:44] <jenda> somerville32: where are we editing, then?
[08:44] <somerville32> We're going to edit on Juliux's server today
[08:44] <juliux> somerville32, with password?
[08:45] <somerville32> juliux: ufl@ftw
[08:45] <jenda> somerville32: what port are we on at gobby.ubuntu.com?
[08:45] <somerville32> 6522
[08:45] <juliux> somerville32, on port 6522 is an other sobby server runnig so i will use port 12345
[08:46] <somerville32> juliux: put it on 6523
[08:46] <juliux> ok
[08:46] <somerville32> OH wait a sec
[08:46] <somerville32> lol
[08:46] <somerville32> beuno has something to share
[08:46] <beuno> juliux: is the server permanent?
[08:47] <juliux> beuno, dual p3 1ghz with 1,5gb ram;)
[08:47] <juliux> somerville32, done;)
[08:47] <beuno> yes, but I mean is it on 24/7?
[08:47] <juliux> beuno, yes
[08:47] <beuno> I've got dedicated servers on peer1 datacenter
[08:47] <juliux> beuno, up since 340days;9
[08:47] <beuno> great
[08:48] <beuno> is it in the US or DE?
[08:48] <juliux> DE
[08:48] <juliux> beuno, hostname ubuntu.juliux.de
[08:49] <somerville32> juliux's server seems quick enough :]
[08:49] <juliux> somerville32, good
[08:49] <juliux> somerville32, there is only a mail and web server running;)
[08:49] <somerville32> Ok
[08:50] <somerville32> Lets get this baby done! :)
[08:50] <somerville32> Everyone... attack feisty changes! :D
[08:50] <beuno> yeap, quick here too
[08:50] <beuno> thanks juliux
[08:50] <beuno> could you get backups going on there too?
[08:50] <beuno> we've had some... ehm... problems before
[08:50] <juliux> hehe
[08:50] <beuno> I had some sort of mirror thing going with tony yarusso
[08:51] <juliux> beuno,  load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 at the moment
[08:52] <somerville32>  15:52:33 up 4 days,  3:06,  7 users,  load average: 3.25, 2.13, 1.86
[08:52] <somerville32> Thats my computer, lol
[08:53] <beuno> heh
[08:53] <beuno> great
[08:53] <beuno> but can you get a versioned backup going on it?
[08:53] <beuno> every hour or so
[08:57] <juliux> somerville32, if the gobby server is down and i am not online ring me on my mobilphone, i will not answer but i will search for an internet connection to repare it;)
[08:57] <somerville32> juliux: I'll text msg you
[08:57] <somerville32> What is your cell phone number?
[08:58] <juliux>  +491636011545
[08:58] <juliux> during the day i am at university but we have a lot of terminals there;)
[08:58] <somerville32> Umm..
[08:58] <juliux> and we have wlan;)
[08:58] <somerville32> does text-messaging someone in a different country cost money? lol
[08:59] <juliux> yes so ring me;)
[08:59] <somerville32> That'll cost me even more money, lol
[08:59] <juliux> i will not take the call but i see that you ring me;)
[08:59] <juliux> so no costs;)
[08:59] <somerville32> There is a probably a connection free or something, lol :P
[08:59] <somerville32> How about... I send you an e-mail? :P
[08:59] <somerville32> And you check your e-mails on your phone/
[09:00] <juliux> i can't check my e-mails on my phone;)
[09:00] <juliux> i will check my mails at university;)
[09:00] <jenda> somerville32: done my bit.
[09:00] <somerville32> Woot
[09:12] <beuno> somerville32: we really need to get more ppl on feisty changes
[09:12] <beuno> it's a LOT to sum up
[09:14] <beuno> I'll get one more package done
[09:14] <beuno> and I have to get back to work
[09:14] <beuno> I'll try and come back later
[09:15] <tsmithe> i would do some, but, well... scroll up ;)
[09:16] <somerville32> Oh look
[09:17] <somerville32> Beryl-project.org was hacked by compiz people
[09:17] <somerville32> lol
[09:17] <tsmithe> :P
[09:19] <tsmithe> as i said in offtopic, "somerville32, old news"
[09:20] <beuno> ok, 4 down, like a million to go!
[09:21] <tsmithe> sorry
[09:21] <beuno> ok, I'll bbl
[09:21] <somerville32> ...
[09:22] <somerville32> There is only ~60 more
[09:22] <somerville32> and I bet ~10 of them will get dropped
[09:22] <somerville32> So more like 50
[09:31] <juliux> gn8
[10:03] <tsmithe> jenda, how long did it take you to learn dvorak?
[10:05] <jenda> not long.
[10:05] <jenda> max 2 weeks.
[10:06] <jenda> I think I could type decently over the weekend.
[10:06] <jenda> Took two weeks to feel comfy, though.
[10:12] <tsmithe> yeah
[10:12] <tsmithe> sounds bout right
[10:12] <tsmithe> im getting used to it
[11:55] <Admiral_Chicago> somerville32: gobby?
[11:55] <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: yes please  ;D
[11:56] <beuno> ubuntu.juliux.de
[11:56] <beuno> port: 6523
[11:56] <beuno> ufl@ftw
[11:56] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks beuno
[11:57] <beuno> np
[12:06] <Admiral_Chicago> God, even finding information on GNOME on their pages is impossible


[07:12] <prabhu> how to upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04
[12:01] <brobostigon> happy christmas all.
[12:03] <brobostigon> Nadolig Llawen
[16:13] <brobostigon> afternoonings Mr__T :) happy christmas.
[16:13] <Mr__T> nadolig llawen i ti
[16:59] <Mr__T> I've decided it's time to go back to welsh classes
[16:59] <Mr__T> and found the london welsh centre is about 10mins walk from my office ^___^
[17:01] <brobostigon> :)
[18:18] <ianto> Nadolig llawen i bawb
[23:46] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.


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[09:11] <quazimodo> holler
[09:11] <quazimodo> ah discourse hey
[09:13] <quazimodo> so I was talking in #ubuntu & referred here; I'd like to apply the IOMMU ACS patch to the kernel so that I may reorganise my IOMMU groups for virtualisation purposes; my motherboard just doesn't want to give me usable groups no matter what UEFI settings I play with
[09:13] <quazimodo> I have a patch known to work with 6.3 but jammy is on 6.5, i guess i could just apply the patch & go but I am a littel fearful of doing something stupid, i don't know how much i don't know in this space
[09:14] <quazimodo> I'm a programmer but the last time I did C was > 8 years ago; i've inspected the source in Linus's repo (before i knew about the ubuntu kernel repos) and the patched code wont work directly, but that's fine i'm used to working in a git repo so no trouble there. Really the only thing i'm worried about is trying to build this & destroying something
[09:15] <quazimodo> are there any big warning bells?
[09:23] <nils_> quazimodo, which patch is it? The one by Mark Weiman based on https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/5/30/513 ?
[09:24] <nils_> quazimodo, do you want to submit the patch so Ubuntu integrates it or do you just want to comfortably run a kernel including the patch? If the latter you may want to check out xanmod, they offer a kernel including this patch as a deb repo, works fine with ubuntu.
[09:36] <quazimodo> nils_: comfortably run a kernel that's got the patch. Patch code is at https://github.com/benbaker76/linux-acs-override/blob/main/6.3/acso.patch . I'll check Xanmod
[09:36] <quazimodo> I don't think the patch can be submitted, in general this ACS patch is not a good idea for purpose built hardward - it appears very much to be a hack for homelabs
[09:37] <quazimodo> nils_: yes it does look very similar to that one by Mark Weiman
[09:38] <nils_> quazimodo, there is a patch included in xanmod, latest non-edge kernel version for xanmod is 6.7 so you're getting a fresher kernel as well.
[09:43] <quazimodo> i don't typically use kernels not distributed by a well known organisation
[09:43] <quazimodo> i hadn't heard about xanmod
[09:49] <quazimodo> ahhh fun for me for some unknown bloody reason I didn't give my boot partition enough space :(
[11:33] <quazimodo> nils_: so xanmod kernel turns on good
[11:33] <quazimodo> tthanks for showing that to me
[11:47] <quazimodo> fantastic, IOMMU groups are usable
[11:47] <quazimodo> nils_: you're a legend
[11:48] <nils_> quazimodo, hardly, all credit goes to whoever made those patches
[11:52] <quazimodo> indeed
[11:52] <quazimodo> it's a really big deal
[11:52] <quazimodo> though part of me is unsatisfied that i still have not figured out how to compile an ubuntu kernel with the patch applied
[11:53] <quazimodo> in fact, i don't even know why, but make would fail really early without sudo


[06:24] <mapps> yay not as humid today thankfully;)
[06:40] <zmoylan-pi> if yesterday was any damper ireland would have lost it's island status... :-P
[07:10] <MooDoo> howdy
[07:20] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[07:25] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:14] <knightwise> mornin peeps
[08:15] <MooDoo> morning knightwise
[08:16] <brobostigon> morning knightwise and MooDoo
[08:16] <MooDoo> how are you all this morning?
[08:16] <brobostigon> not bad, and you?
[08:20] <knightwise> ²doin ok :) been looking around some second hand sites for an old thinkpad
[08:20] <MooDoo> yeah ok, thinking about purchasing a book on python that I can work through with my lad but it says 10+ so as he's 6 not sure if he'll be bothered
[08:20] <knightwise> popey: which one were you using again on the podcast ? R61 ?
[08:20] <foobarry> came in today and my fan is running at full. although its cold air. and the cpu is < 10% used :-|
[08:22] <knightwise> thats odd
[08:23] <zmoylan-pi> sensor kyboshed?
[08:25] <foobarry> gonna log out
[08:25] <foobarry> :(
[08:27] <popey> knightwise: eh?
[08:28] <ne2k> popey, HP 455 G2 wireless (rtl8723be). I removed the utopic LTS HWE stack and went back to kernel 3.13, and was able to install the rtlwifi dkms package from the precise-oem-sp2 repo and it seems to be working
[08:28] <popey> knightwise: oh, I have a thinkpad x220 and x61s
[08:28] <popey> the x61s is the cheap one I got off ebay
[08:29] <ne2k> right, I must sign off IRC and do some work
[08:29] <ne2k> workspaces can be a killer
[08:34] <knightwise> k :) How is the resolution on the x220 ?
[08:34] <popey> 1366x768
[08:34] <popey> terrible by todays standards
[08:35] <popey> well, minimum by todays standards to be fair
[08:35] <knightwise> k
[08:35] <knightwise> thanx :) The X61 looks cool to play with
[08:36] <popey> X61s is mine. dunno what the difference between the X61 and the X61s is
[08:37] <foobarry> lighter and different processor
[08:38] <foobarry> lower energy one
[08:46] <popey> ah
[08:47] <popey> are the "s" models all like that?
[08:48] <foobarry> S are "entry level ultraportables"
[08:49] <foobarry> ah forget that
[08:49] <foobarry> thats if S is prefix
[08:49] <foobarry> Normally, the distinguishing features between the X-series and X-series s-suffix models are:
[08:49] <foobarry> Use of lower voltage CPUs, providing better battery life
[08:49] <foobarry> Option for a high-resolution screen
[08:49] <foobarry> Lighter weight by cutting down on thickness and using lighter materials
[08:49] <foobarry> Much higher price
[08:50] <foobarry> processors are a bit slower
[08:52] <zmoylan-pi> so an ultrabook by another name...
[08:52] <popey> this is far from an ultrabook
[08:53] <popey> but it pre-dates the ultrabook brand and is somewhat chunky
[08:53] <popey> (being a thinkpad)
[08:53] <zmoylan-pi> so an ibm ultrabook :-)
[08:53] <zmoylan-pi> without the ibm...
[08:55] <directhex> ulu-tara-book!
[08:55] <directhex> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Acv0l7AO0
[08:57] <zmoylan-pi> a 1 hour advert... wow...
[08:58] <directhex> it's a 1 hour loop, because it's so awesome
[09:01] <popey> it's so something
[09:02] <zmoylan-pi> well.... compared to japanese gameshows it's perfectly normal... :-)
[09:06] <popey> exobuzz: happy birthday
[09:07] <Laney> danny dyer's chocolate homunculus
[09:08] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Leave the Office Earlier Day! 😃
[09:09]  * zmoylan-pi disposes of tunnel soil on ciggie break and prepares for escape...
[09:10] <TheGeek> minea aint till Friday :(
[09:10] <popey> alan@bishop:~$ grep JamesTait irclogs/freenode/#ubuntu-uk.log | grep orning | grep appy | pastebinit
[09:10] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11516587/
[09:10] <popey> note the day JamesTait discovered unicode :)
[09:11]  * zmoylan-pi used to be proud when i could get network drivers, share.exe connected to novell network run our accounts software and still get £ on keyboard... :-)
[09:12] <zmoylan-pi> WITH a mouse!!
[09:12] <dutchie> popey: haha
[09:12] <Laney> you can also track his start of work time
[09:13] <JamesTait> popey, rather, the day Spads shared his irssi auto-replace config. 😉
[09:13] <popey> hah
[09:13] <popey> oddly i dont see your smiley in my terminal
[09:13] <MooDoo> me neither, it's a square box for me
[09:14] <popey> monospace font fail
[09:14] <popey> but I do see the smiley in android
[09:16] <JamesTait> I see a rectangle for this one: 🙌
[09:16] <JamesTait> With 01F64C in it.
[09:18] <zmoylan-pi> rectangle here but smiley for original unicode char
[09:21] <JamesTait> Ooh, one of those greetings was at 09:04 - on a Friday!
[10:07] <NET||abuse> wow, ok, that's weird... pulled down an arch iso, dd'ing it onto a usb stick... i do sudo dd bs=4M if=/home/me/Downloads/isos/archlinux-2015.05.01-dual.iso of=/dev/sdb
[10:07] <NET||abuse> i get 56408576 bytes (656 MB) copied, 0.349391 s, 1.9 GB/s
[10:07] <NET||abuse> and it finishes immediately.
[10:07] <NET||abuse> the activity light on the usb stick is flashing away ongoing now though
[10:07] <zmoylan-pi> cache?
[10:08] <NET||abuse> is there some amount of time i have to wait? Can i see cache progress somehow?
[10:08] <NET||abuse> that's pretty crazy :)
[10:10] <intrbiz> writing direct to a device (ie /dev/sdb) would bypass the page cache
[10:11] <intrbiz> it's odd for dd to return before the data has written, did you get the device name correct?
[10:28] <popey> nah, it does this all the time here
[10:58] <TwistedLucidity> So...a "fully convergent" phone is on the way. I may well suffer Android just a bit longer in that case....
[11:00] <bashrc_> android is ok, it's just not the full gnu/linux
[11:02] <zmoylan-pi> it's linux lite, nsa plus :-)
[11:09] <popey> Sardines on toast O'clock.
[11:15] <exobuzz> popey, thanks!
[12:07] <TwistedLucidity> bashrc_: Not sure is it's the phone, Android 4.1 or the OEM's "added value", but I can't say I have a lot of love for it.
[12:22] <Laney> come on delivery
[12:22] <Laney> need to go out
[12:33] <popey> I too have a delivery due!
[12:34] <MooDoo> you know how it works, they'll either not turn up or deliver at 6pm, unless it's DPD in which case they are ace
[12:34] <popey> sadly not dpd
[13:27] <Laney> here it is
[13:27] <Laney> :>
[13:28] <directhex> gin delivery!
[13:29] <MooDoo> no it's the new hdd for the windows 10 installation he's had to reserve :p
[13:31] <mapps> sun cream bath time
[13:31] <mapps> so hot
[13:31] <mapps> ;]
[13:31] <mapps> got burnt yesterday :(
[13:48] <ujjain> talking about sun cream
[13:48] <ujjain> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nivea-Sun-Invisible-Protect-Spray/dp/B002PD6PLI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1433251539&sr=8-2&keywords=nivea+sun
[13:48] <ujjain> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nivea-Immediate-Protection-Moisturising-Spray/dp/B001B0OJXM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1433175118&sr=8-1&keywords=sunscreen
[13:48] <ujjain> which one should I get
[13:49] <popey> are you transparent?
[13:49] <popey> 50 is quite high
[13:49] <foobarry> i use 6
[13:49] <foobarry> my wife and kids use 15
[13:50] <ujjain> I want 10 or 15 actually
[13:50] <popey> our kids used 25 or so when they were babies, now we use 10-15
[13:50] <foobarry> spray is good for kids vs thick yoghurty cream
[13:50] <popey> ya
[13:50] <ujjain> Yeah, I'm half-Dutch/Turkish, so I don't burn that easily.
[13:51] <ujjain> I'm going with my friends (alone) to Mallorca this Friday for 4 days.
[13:51] <foobarry> i'm fully english
[13:51] <foobarry> but not pasty northerner type
[13:51] <ujjain> so was thinking, maybe would be a good idea to buy sun screen, but I'm not good at making decisions
[13:51] <ujjain> what is your accent?
[13:52] <ujjain> btw, it's not sun cream time, weather in London is crap
[13:52] <foobarry> north london but not a really strong accent
[13:52] <ujjain> ah ok
[13:52] <foobarry> although i use a lot of regional slang
[13:52] <ujjain> do you use init?
[13:53] <foobarry> i am aware that fully english means french/germanic/anglo/other
[13:53] <foobarry> only when being ironic. my accent isn't very chavvy
[13:53] <ujjain> or systemd?
[13:53] <foobarry> lol
[13:53] <ujjain> ah yeah, neutral accent is better
[13:53] <foobarry> ugh 3pm meeting in another building
[13:53] <foobarry> need chocolate or jelly snakes to survive
[13:54] <ujjain> well, have fun :) hopefully meeting will be worth your while
[13:54] <foobarry> it won't , i'm covering my boss with no info about the meeting
[13:57] <ujjain> ah, I'm happy I don't have many meetings.
[14:17] <Myrtti> I use 50
[14:17] <Myrtti> but I'm Finnish and have gotten sunburnt enough many times in my life
[14:19] <Myrtti> and I also take vitamin supplements.
[15:20] <ujjain> ah ok
[15:49] <foobarry> in the space of 5 minutes, antisocial colleague sprayed deep heat in the office then now eating curry outside lunch hours
[16:21] <ujjain> I eat stuff outside of lunch hours.
[16:21] <ujjain> although not smelly stuff.
[16:21] <ujjain> I can't judge about deep heat, but it seems could be all smelly there
[16:22] <ujjain> I bought a tanning sun tan, I'll probably look African when I'm back from Mallorca.
[16:43] <Laney> mmm deep heat
[16:43] <Laney> I'd be thanking him
[16:58] <popey> haha
[16:58] <popey> blatter quit
[17:07] <shauno> I think he pretty much had to once uefa started looking seriously at boycotting 2018
[17:25] <awilkins> Wow : Thunderbolt 3 == USB-C
[17:25] <awilkins>  Finally, One Port To Rule Them All
[17:25] <awilkins>  40Gbit/s Thunderbolt. 10Gbit/s USB 3.1, Displayport, and PCI-express
[17:25] <awilkins>  Oh, and 100W
[17:29] <Myrtti> oh my lord that is news
[17:31] <popey> https://twitter.com/WeWantPlates is now my fave twitter account
[17:31] <awilkins> Now all we need is a USB-C +----<mag|safe>----+   dongle for your charger and it's perfect
[17:31] <Myrtti> dsample "I bet Apple finds a way to make their incompatible"
[17:39]  * awilkins imagines the Seance with Steve at Apple HQ
[17:40] <awilkins> "So, how about we reverse the pinout?"   ... "Sorry, it's a reversible connector"
[17:40] <awilkins> "We could embed DRM chips in the cable!"  ... "Yeah, but people are wise to that now and they hate it"
[17:42] <awilkins> "I know! We'll make sure that we have a special signalling protocol that prevents the port transmitting more than 500mA unless you know the secret code!"
[17:42] <awilkins> *much clinking of champagne glasses ensues*
[17:45] <shauno> they don't need to make it incompatible.  no-one else will pay for the controllers (or ship drivers) anyway.
[17:47] <directhex> i have usb 3.1, sadly with type a connectors
[17:53] <shauno> I'm still waiting for either linux or freebsd to pick up ip-over-tb for a fun nas box.  long wait.
[17:56] <directhex> pfft
[17:56] <directhex> use IB!
[17:58] <shauno> with my laptop?
[17:59] <directhex> yes! :D
[18:41] <foobarry> any recommendations for web hosting providers?


[14:25] <p3lim> hi, are there any plans to support cisco's anyconnect vpn protocol in netplan?
[14:38] <schopin> No.
[14:43] <p3lim> can I use it to manage address/link/route etc for existing tunnels?
[14:43] <p3lim> or create a tunnel interface that is not managed with a mode


[11:50] <ochosi> hi, could someone please nominate this sru bug for trusty? thanks in advance! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker/+bug/1309744


[14:57] <apw> KelseyS, hey ... i believe you are applying for upload rights ... want to introduce yourself
[14:59] <KelseyS> Hi apw, yes, I am very interested in getting my upload rights. My application and information is at the following: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KelseySkunberg/KernelUploadsApplication
[15:00] <apw> klebers, kamal, smb, any of you want to add anything to the application
[15:01] <kamal> apw, nothing to add, besides my wholehearted endorsement :-)
[15:01] <klebers> apw, nothing to add, I'm fine with it
[15:02] <apw> i have reviewed a bunch of Kelsey's uploads recently and have no concerns, and working with her I feel she shows appropriate fear.
[15:02] <apw> then lets call a vote.  if we are not quorate I will follow through with other members and collate
[15:03] <apw> [15:03] <apw> all in favour of Kelsey joining the kerenl uploaders
[15:03] <apw> +1
[15:03] <kamal> +1
[15:03] <mhcerri> +1
[15:03] <sforshee> +1
[15:04] <bjf> +1
[15:05] <klebers> +1
[15:05] <apw> +1 (proxy for smb who cannot be here)
[15:06] <apw> Ok ... according to our rules I call that good
[15:06] <kamal> \o/
[15:07] <KelseyS> \o/ indeed! Thank you for your support all :)
[15:07] <klebers> KelseyS, congrats!
[15:07] <apw> KelseyS, with no objections you are approved for the team.  I will sort out the paperwork.  Congratulations
[15:07] <KelseyS> Thank you!
[15:07] <apw> anyone else wants to have their +1 listed get it to me in private thanks
[15:08] <kamal> KelseyS, congrats! (or . . . "sorry", as the case may be ;-))
[15:08] <mhcerri> KelseyS, congrats!
[15:09] <trudd> congratulations KelseyS!
[15:09] <trudd> Thanks apw
[15:12] <KelseyS> Thanks again all. Very excited - appreciate everyone's help getting to this point too. :)
[15:19] <tyhicks> congrats, KelseyS! :)
[15:21] <KelseyS> Hey tyhicks! thank you :) Hope all has been good with you!
[15:21] <tyhicks> all is good - thanks!