[15:25] <tumbleweed> anyone want to come and help us get some packages to build? :) http://nigelb.me/ubuntu/2011/07/27/fix-ftbfs-jam.html
[16:56]  * nlsthzn waves
[17:14] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: You seem to be on a got mission (well going on your posts in disaporg)
[17:14] <nlsthzn> *git
[17:25] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: affirmative!
[17:28] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: the vid of Linus was hilarious
[17:39] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: agreed, lol, I don't think a lot of people liked him after that.
[17:39] <nuvolari> also in the comments they showed their dislike
[17:39] <nuvolari> ok, hometime
[17:39] <nuvolari> talk soon
[18:03] <superfly> linus goes to the extreme... he hates CVS so much, he had to make a VCS that was completely different
[18:04] <superfly> in fact, it's so different it doesn't resemble any other VCS out there
[18:04] <superfly> in my experience, git is over-engineered and over-complicated
[18:24] <frets> Maaz, coffee on
[18:24]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[18:24] <frets> Maaz, with sugar
[18:24] <Maaz> Help yourself outa the sugar pot
[18:28] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for frets!
[18:28] <frets> Thank you maaz
[18:29] <nlsthzn> superfly: yes, Linus does seem to have issues :p
[18:33] <nuvolari> so? call me a linus fan
[18:33] <nuvolari> :P
[18:33] <nuvolari> ugh, vodacom troubles :'(
[18:33] <nuvolari> It does'nt make sence
[18:34] <nuvolari> I can connect when I place the SIM in a phone and connect via usb, but just try to use a 3g data card...
[18:36] <inetpro> yikes, have not had a power failure in a long time
[18:36] <inetpro> we had a power failure at the office earlier this evening
[18:36] <inetpro> now my PC is off :-(
[18:38] <inetpro> tried to wake it up remotely but forgot that the networking is only enabled at first login
[18:38] <nuvolari> R.I.P. inetpro's pc
[18:39]  * nuvolari takes a moment of silence
[18:39] <inetpro> nuvolari: thanks, I feel better already
[18:41] <superfly> nuvolari: I usually like Linus' approach to Linux and open source, but his stance on git versus any other VCS is rather extreme (and unlike him)
[18:41]  * inetpro wonders how to get a PC to auto connect to the network
[18:41] <nlsthzn> Well, I found Linus to be very pragmatic... and hilarious
[18:43] <nuvolari> well, let's face it, if you can git you can probably do anything else, therefore, learn git :P
[18:43] <superfly> which is why I think he was burned pretty badly by CVS (since that's the only VCS he actually ever talks about)
[18:43] <nuvolari> eh? he bad-mouths svn too
[18:44] <nuvolari> just because they started with the slogan "VCS done right" or something like that
[19:01] <frets> So the new kernel is 3.0?
[19:06] <nlsthzn> frets: still in RC but yes... 3.0 has arrived
[19:08] <frets> My kernel is so screwed anyway I lost track of the version..
[19:16] <nlsthzn> frets: uname -a
[19:17] <nlsthzn> :p
[19:17] <tumbleweed> 3.0 is nothing special, just a bigger number. Like firefox 5
[19:18] <tumbleweed> and it works fine, like firefox 5. I can't say I noticed either of them
[19:19] <nlsthzn> I did find running 3.0 rather than .38 has reduced the temperature of my lappy (and thus also increased battery life)
[19:19] <frets> lol nlsthzn
[19:24] <tumbleweed> newer kernels tend to do that
[19:33] <nlsthzn> but the rumours of a power regression in .38 kernels turned out true for me...
[19:47] <Tonberry> there is a workaround
[19:49] <Tonberry> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2638_aspm&num=2
[19:53] <nlsthzn> another work around is to use another kernel :p
[19:56] <Tonberry> true
[20:11] <inetpro> does Ubuntu desktop assign an IP before login?
[20:17] <tumbleweed> inetpro: depends
[20:18] <tumbleweed> if you need access to the users credentials (e.g. to join a wireless network), it can only happen after login
[20:18] <tumbleweed> if you are plugged into an ethernet network with dhcp, it'll happen on boot.
[20:19] <inetpro> tumbleweed: are you sure about that?
[20:19] <tumbleweed> sure about what?
[20:19] <tumbleweed> you can save wifi credentials in a system-wide store
[20:19] <Tonberry> when in doubt
[20:19] <Tonberry> wireshark
[20:20] <inetpro> tumbleweed: that if you use DHCP it will assign before logn?
[20:21] <tumbleweed> yeah
[20:21] <inetpro> ok
[20:21] <tumbleweed> if you log in really fast, it may not have happened yet
[20:22] <inetpro> Kubuntu has an option "system connection" but it's greyed out on my system
[20:22] <inetpro> that is on network manager
[20:23] <inetpro> have not played around with these options enough
[20:24] <tumbleweed> if you don't configure it not to, network manager connects to wired ethernet
[20:25] <inetpro> tumbleweed: thanks
[20:25] <inetpro> will play around a bit when I have time
[20:26] <inetpro> also want to make sure that my PC is set to wake on lan for next time when this happens
[20:29] <nuvolari> o/ kbmonkey
[20:32] <nlsthzn> having used wicd to set up my net connection in slackware I would have internet up and running even before I had logged in :p
[20:46] <kbmonkey> hey nuvolari, nlsthzn
[20:47] <nlsthzn> hey monkey-man
[20:52] <kbmonkey> so you liking the git nuvolari ?
[20:58] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: indeed. Will take a while to master though
[21:00] <kbmonkey> im a fan of mercurial, seems very similar to git. the commands match :)
[21:02] <nuvolari> I've never worked with hg before
[21:02] <nuvolari> just read a tutorial on it once
[21:03] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: do you know if the DLUG meetings will always be in the middle of the week?
[21:03] <kbmonkey> the best analogy I read, is Git is MacGyver and Mercurial is James Bond
[21:03] <kbmonkey> and I'm a fan of both >_>
[21:03] <nuvolari> I'm not too fond of it being in the week/thursday
[21:03] <nuvolari> cool!
[21:04] <nuvolari> I just find it troublesome when having to work with an svn repo
[21:04] <kbmonkey> I think git rocks for github
[21:05] <kbmonkey> Thursday is a bit troublesome, Im not sure if they will always be
[21:05] <nuvolari> I can't reproduce some issues on a small sample project, but I've messed up my repo on work projects more than once :P I actually was able to resolve it for the first time today
[21:06] <kbmonkey> I'll drop a hint to DLUG to prefer weekends
[21:07] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: cool, thanks, i'll just drop a mail too, earlier to the date
[21:09]  * kbmonkey needs a new calendar app to sync with gcal
[21:17] <kbmonkey> well I'm too bushed to do any tinkering -.-
[21:18] <nuvolari> heh, know the feeling!
[21:19] <kbmonkey> my legs are aching from all the excercise this week :) lol
[21:47] <nuvolari> ok, bedtime
[21:47] <nuvolari> night
[21:47] <nuvolari> cheers kbmonkey
[21:47] <nuvolari> lo sdehaan, goodbye sdehaan
[21:47]  * nuvolari tips hat
[21:48] <kbmonkey> nite nuvolari. also cashing in for tonite.


[01:42] <cprofitt> bdmurray, if you are in... let me know
[01:50] <bdmurray> cprofitt: I am in
[01:51] <cprofitt> Hey bdmurray
[01:52] <cprofitt> I was told to contact you by nhandler and Rocket2DMn
[01:52] <cprofitt> I put in an app a while back... and then sent my examples to you per your request back on 1/31
[01:52] <cprofitt> and was hoping to get approved in time for the bug jam this Saturday
[01:52] <Rocket2DMn> the email just got forwarded to the list moments ago :)
[01:52] <cprofitt> I am running a live event
[01:53] <cprofitt> yes, I was asked to forward the 1/31 email I sent you to the list... so I did
[01:55] <bdmurray> I see it and I'll make a point of reviewing it tomorrow
[01:55] <cprofitt> thanks... all I can ask for...
[01:55] <cprofitt> I appreciate it
[01:55] <bdmurray> No problem, sorry for the delay
[01:55] <cprofitt> No worries... I understand busy
[01:56] <bdmurray> Yeah, I was at the sprint when you sent it
[01:56] <cprofitt> I am VP of the state LoCo, just took over a LUG in my city, starting to develop for the sugar folks, have three kids and a full time job
[01:56] <cprofitt> and work on the Beginners Team...
[01:57] <cprofitt> after giving up computer gaming I have almost gone full time Linux stuff to fill out my dance card
[01:57]  * cprofitt smiles
[06:08] <dholbach> good morning
[06:10] <maco> up earlier than usual?
[06:12] <dholbach> maco: no, not really :)
[06:12] <maco> i thought you usually showed up about an hour from now
[06:16] <dholbach> 7:16 now
[06:17] <maco> *shrug* i thought it was usually 2am here
[06:17] <maco> maybe that's thekorn
[09:54] <Hew> Is there any way to stop the retracer detecting duplicates and sticking them on bug 254671?
[09:55] <seb128> Hew: no
[09:55] <seb128> Hew: just reopen the bug if you really want
[09:55]  * Hew sighs
[09:55] <Hew> seb128: I don't really want, it's just another bug got put there. I can keep manually moving them.
[09:56] <seb128> what would be nice is to send that bug upstream so it get fixed or to reopen the upstream one
[09:56] <seb128> rather collecting duplicates on launchpad
[09:56] <Hew> true
[09:57] <seb128> do you have a bugzilla account?
[10:00] <Hew> seb128: Yes I do
[10:00] <seb128> so maybe you can reopen the bug there and add a comment? ;-)
[10:00] <seb128> thanks!
[10:01] <Hew> seb128: Yep, I'll do it in a sec :-)
[10:01] <seb128> cool
[10:52] <Hew> seb128: The attachments have been removed from all reports. I have managed to grab them from the most recent dupe, but the stacktrace isn't complete. Am I able to retrace with the CoreDump.gz?
[10:52] <Hew> typical, haha
[10:59] <Hew> anyone know how to retrace using a CoreDump.gz?
[11:00] <hggdh> ungzip it, then gdb --core=CoreDump
[11:00] <hggdh> probably will not work, though, unless you have the same package levels
[11:00] <hggdh> (meaning will not work producing good, kosher, bts)
[11:12] <Hew> hggdh: Thanks for the help, I'll give it a go :-)
[12:23] <Hew> seb128, pedro_: The retracer removes all attachments from reports of bug 321041. I have managed to grab them from the most recent dupe, but the stacktrace isn't complete. We can't report this upstream without more information, right?
[12:24] <seb128> Hew: if it cleans those that's because the stacktrace is identic to the one on the master bug
[12:27] <hggdh> Hew, did you succeed on running gdb on it? If so, run it again, and ask for 'thread apply all bt full'; then use the output for the upstream bug
[12:29] <Hew> hggdh: It found no debugging symbols (even once I installed the relevant -dbgsym). I assumed that's what you meant by "probably will not work".
[12:30] <hggdh> Hew, indeed. You probably have a different version of the packages
[12:31] <pedro_> Hew: would be also good to ask for a valgrind log with the XKL_DEBUG mode: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=537592#c8
[12:31] <seb128> the intrepid issue was not a libxklavier issue
[12:31] <seb128> the handler there was just catching the crash which was a xrandr one or something
[12:33] <Hew> seb128: So it's identical to the stacktrace of Intrepid bug 254671? Can I just send that stacktrace upstream? I'm not an expert on stacktraces.
[12:33] <seb128> Hew: yes
[12:33] <Hew> seb128: Excellent! I'll do that now :D
[12:33] <seb128> thanks
[12:35] <jgoguen> For all the bugs marked for expiry, if it's not something I can reproduce or find elsewhere then just close it with an explanation?
[12:39] <Hew> jgoguen: Ignore the expiry feature of Launchpad. Look for bugs marked incomplete that are requesting additional information. If the info isn't provided after a month, you can close it with the standard response from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[12:40] <jgoguen> Hew: ok, thanks
[12:41] <Hew> jgoguen: You're welcome, thanks for helping :-)
[12:51] <Hew> reported as gnome bug 572141
[13:26] <Hew> What package is this bug in? Maximised windows are 50% height every session, until screen resolution is changed. http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22721444/file_browser_after_boot.png bug 313630
[15:06] <bddebian> Boo
[15:09] <BUGabundo> foo fam fridge
[15:11] <bddebian> wow :)
[17:55] <thomasdelbeke> Hi people,
[17:55] <BUGabundo> hi
[17:55] <thomasdelbeke> I need to file a new bug
[18:06] <afflux> uhoh
[18:07] <maco> ?
[18:15] <afflux> macd: <thomasdelbeke> Hi people, <thomasdelbeke> I need to file a new bug
[18:15] <afflux> argh, maco ^
[18:16] <maco> afflux: ah. ok
[18:17] <BUGabundo> eeh
[18:17] <BUGabundo> and then he kicked out
[18:17] <afflux> nevermind
[18:17] <afflux> his bug reports usually look like this: bug 315462
[18:18] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOL
[18:18] <BUGabundo> well it would come in handy
[18:18] <BUGabundo> IF he added the bbdebs repo
[18:18] <afflux> BUGabundo: check the report, he's doing pretty nice stuff. Like "apt-get install dpkg".
[18:20] <afflux> he is around for half a year maybe, and (afaik) several people tried to contact him by mail to explain the world, universe and everything, but he seems quite resistant.
[18:21] <BUGabundo> ahh
[18:21]  * BUGabundo wonders if there should be a kick moron app
[18:22] <maco> O_o
[18:22] <afflux> he's adressing some "michael" in some comment. He seems to think anyone who ever commented on his bugs monitors all of his other bugs.
[18:23] <afflux> (he tried to talk to me that way earlier)
[18:23] <BUGabundo> ahh and he runs as ROOT... nice
[18:23] <afflux> ah, and my all time favourite is this one: bug 197581
[18:24] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/329254 I like this one of mine
[18:24] <BUGabundo> got me hibernate broken again
[18:24] <BUGabundo> maco: do you see this on your log?
[18:24] <maco> i wasnt online
[18:25] <BUGabundo> I'm not sure if it is our webcam driver doing it
[18:25] <BUGabundo> I'll have to disable it and try
[18:25]  * BUGabundo whines: suspend/hibernate/resume was working so nicely
[18:26] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: are you wake up, Leann?
[18:28] <BUGabundo> brb restart PA to watch the Simpsons new theme on youtube (why doesn't flash play without PA?)
[18:33] <maco> BUGabundo: oh! youre asking about webcam
[18:33] <maco> i thought you mean chatlog
[18:33] <BUGabundo> humm no
[18:33] <maco> i get "Tainted" on pm-suspend and iwconfig...thats it
[18:34] <BUGabundo> but does it hibernate/suspend?
[18:36] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: is there something you need?
[18:38] <BUGabundo> just that bug above
[18:38] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/329254 I like this one of mine
[18:44] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: other than the warning you see, do you successfully resume from suspend?
[18:45] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: you mention you think it's related to the webcam, have you tried with the driver unloaded?
[18:46] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: I never reach the suspend or hibernate
[18:46] <BUGabundo> since I got that
[18:46] <BUGabundo> since yesterday
[18:46] <BUGabundo> when I also instaled a new webcam driver
[18:47] <BUGabundo> the system starts to suspend and then wakes
[18:47] <BUGabundo> I'm going to try in a few minutes
[18:47] <BUGabundo> to unload it, and hibernate
[18:47] <BUGabundo> when I go home
[18:48] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: ok, post an update to the bug report
[18:49] <BUGabundo> ok
[20:21] <Laibsch> maxb: I just now have time to look more closely at your nice script
[20:22] <Laibsch> Where can I read more about the advanced functions you use?
[20:22] <Laibsch> What is a google keyword for them?
[20:46] <maxb> Laibsch: see the bash documentation
[20:47] <maxb> Section 3.5.3 Shell Parameter Expansion
[20:50] <Laibsch> thanks, looking at it
[21:14] <ymo> How long should it normally take for a  bug report to be triaged?
[21:18] <vocx> Why would nautilus take a looong time to show the files within a directory? Could this be a rendering problem?
[21:19] <vocx> I've been searching for bug reports, but they don't quite describe the behavior I see. My nautilus doesn't crash, it only hangs for a long time, using 100% CPU, but it eventually shows the files.
[21:21] <amja1> vocx: can you open a terminal and run top to see which process is  maxing out??
[21:21] <vocx> amja1, well, it's nautilus, naturally.
[21:23] <maco> vocx: are they remote or local files?
[21:23] <vocx> I've always thought that these problems relate in some way to the X driver, and the libpango library.
[21:24] <vocx> maco, I can reproduce this every time with local files, I created several folders with 100, 500, 1000, 1500, and 2000 files and it takes a lot to display the latter
[21:31] <vocx> I'm under the impression that with my graphics card gnome apps are always slower to render than KDE apps. For instance there was a time gedit ran extremely slow so I tried to use kate instead, without issue. By the way I have VIA graphics card which uses the openchrome driver and previously it was the via driver.
[22:15] <vocx> Oh, another thing to note in my case. Once the 2000+ files are displayed, if I try to go up one level it takes again a lot of time to display the parent directory.
[22:31] <porthose> Im working on a package which has the name 0.1-1 for the patch I would name it 0.1-1ubuntu2?
[22:32] <jpds> porthose: 0.1-1ubuntu1.
[22:32] <porthose> jpds: thxs :)
[22:33] <sectech> hrmm... 64 bit version Alpha-4 seems a bit buggy at best...
[22:34] <sectech> Almost seems like the 32 bit version worked better
[22:34] <jgoguen> the only problem I've noticed with 64-bit alpha 4 is that after the most recent updates connecting to my WPA network is slow...but I've had other issues with it, I'm not convinced my issues aren't the network itself yet
[22:35] <vocx> mmm... 32 bit is always less buggy, that's not a big secret is it?
[22:36] <sectech> Other then the odd application crash (which is to be expected in an Alpha version) it seems not to be as smooth in terms of response and resources.
[22:36] <sectech> vocx, no I do expect the 32 bit version to be ....more widely tested.
[22:37] <sectech> I guess I am trying to put my finger on what feels odd about this release....
[22:37] <sectech> it's something...


[15:04] <Rober__> Hi all! :)
[18:25] <rvchila> good afternoon
[18:25] <rvchila> hi zus, did you finally install your ubuntustudio ?
[18:26] <zus> yes i did - )
[18:30] <zus> rvchila,  im trying to work a few things out.
[18:31] <rvchila> something about ?
[18:37] <zus> well when i installed gnome-do  , now my magnifier isnt working,....and a few other things like gpg not hitting  when updateing
[18:38] <rvchila> ah
[18:38] <rvchila> problems with repos
[18:39] <zus> aye
[18:43] <zus> is ubuntu sudio gnome dependant? is there a KDE theme for it?
[18:50] <vlada> zus, not that I know of
[18:51] <vlada> although there are nice dark color schemes for oxygen. It's what I use at least
[18:55] <zus> vlada,  gnome is begingin to get on my nerve since switching, nothing has been going right for me...
[18:56] <vlada> zus, :) hear you loud and clear :)
[18:57] <zus> ironically enough,... im affraid what is troubleing me will also be affecting kubuntu.
[18:57] <vlada> It's working quite good though (at least for product that looks like coming from early 90's)
[18:58] <vlada> zus, you can always add ppa repositories and bring your kde on
[18:58] <zus> im getting gpg and security well, http://pastebin.com/YxCTTLUj
[19:00] <vlada> zus, it's beyond me :(
[19:00] <zus> aye.


[00:28] <blahdeblah> amurray: I'm still loving your work on the podcast - keep it up!
[00:29] <amurray> hey thanks blahdeblah :)
[05:51] <enyc> blue_penquin amurray : what podcast?
[05:57] <blahdeblah> enyc: The one he posted about at 07:03:04 UTC on Friday.
[05:57] <blahdeblah> https://ubuntusecuritypodcast.org/episode-120/
[05:58] <enyc> blahdeblah: I didn't know ubuntusecuritypodcats.org was a thing ;p
[05:59] <blahdeblah> enyc: Neither did I until recently. :-)
[05:59] <blahdeblah> It's a wrap-up of the CVEs fixed in the week, plus usually a few other interesting topics.
[05:59] <enyc> I'm reminded of  grc securitynow and transcripts and all of that they have
[05:59] <enyc> just audio-listening not so useful for me


[09:10] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Inane Answering Message Day! :-D
[17:49] <wrongplace> ubuntu one keeps displaying this message: "getting information, please wait" its been like that since 6 months at least
[17:49] <wrongplace> tips please