[00:00] <znf> instead of using multiple packages
[00:00] <znf> you should just use dnsmasq
[00:00] <sarnold> genitrust_: anyway, you can do that if you're assigning addresses with dhcp, you can tell them to use an IP for DNS that way
[00:00] <znf> dnsmasq does everything you need, perfect for small lans
[00:00] <znf> dns, dhcp, tftp etc.
[00:03] <genitrust_> all of the machines are static
[00:04] <genitrust_> i guess we will just have to set them up on each machine :(
[00:20] <genitrust_> How to get iptables saved after rebooting??
[00:55] <tarvid> tasksel: aptitude failed (100)
[00:56] <tarvid> apt-get install -f throws errors
[00:58] <tarvid> apt-get purge dictionaries-common restores equanimity
[01:09] <mdeslaur> soren: dude, happy birthday. :P
[01:26] <ddsss_> say I wrote a daemon. Right now it's just a binary that forks, syslogs and does some work inside of a while(1) loop. How would I create a .deb package with separate logging file in /var/log/mydaemon and config in /etc/mydaemon or something?
[02:09] <jrwren> ddsss_: write a makefile which follow DFHS (or use autotools to do the same) and then  make a tarball out of that and use dh_make to debianize it
[02:09] <jrwren> see the new maintainers guide for details
[03:07] <riz0n> Is Ubuntu 12.04.1 released yet?
[03:08] <riz0n> errr 14.04.1
[03:09] <sarnold> riz0n: not yet, no
[03:10] <riz0n> Thanks. Was just wondering so I could update my 10.04 server to it
[03:11] <riz0n> Looks like the schedule date is July 24th.
[03:23] <teward> sarnold: wouldnt he have to go to 12.04 before 14.04?  Or did I misunderstand LTS-to-LTS upgrade paths
[04:07] <Kawaiola> Hey guys so I built a ubuntu server 14.04 and I made a habit of always logging in as root which was fine until I had a co worker ftp into the server and need access to files as sudo
[04:08] <Kawaiola> So I changed the owner and the group to the sudo account now when I try to do anything as sudo or as root I get this error messege
[04:08] <Kawaiola> sudo: /etc/sudoers is owned by uid 100, should be 0
[04:09] <Kawaiola> Anyone have an idea of what I have done and if it is possible to fix it in all honesty this is my first run at linux I know enough to get around because all the phone systems I work on are unix based
[04:09] <Kawaiola> So I read a lot and knew how to get around enough to make it work but I can't do anything at this point
[04:13] <Kawaiola> I went online and looked around before I came to this channel and it looks like people have fixed it in a few ways but none of them seem to work for me and I think it might be because I'm running ubuntu server on a vm but I'm not sure if that makes a difference or not
[04:58] <soren> mdeslaur: Thanks :9
[04:59] <soren> mdeslaur: Um, that was meant to be a ":)" :)
[05:04] <Oplex> anyone awake in here
[05:04] <mardraum> looks like you are
[05:04] <Oplex> yo
[05:05] <caitanya> up and running :)
[05:05] <Oplex> is there anything out there already that can parse distrowatch for all netboot installation links
[05:05] <Oplex> trying to create a mega menu for a home pxe server
[05:06] <caitanya> mega menu ?
[05:07] <caitanya> ouh. got it
[05:07] <Oplex> yah.. seems fun enough
[05:09] <caitanya> dämn. i called my isp tech support cause i wanted own domain and a reversr-dns but it was not  possible for normal consumers
[05:09] <caitanya> i gave some feedback to them
[05:10] <caitanya> allready paying 60e a month to them
[05:11] <caitanya> 2 phones and a 4g internet with open ports
[05:13] <caitanya> one dynamic ip but a fixed ip would cost +8e a month but didnt take it if i cant get a reverse-dns
[05:13] <caitanya> :(
[05:15] <Oplex> been using cloudflare's service with dd-wrt ddns feature
[05:15] <Oplex> https://cloudflare-updater.appspot.com/
[05:15] <caitanya> i'd buy a cheap vps but i like more of the idea of having a own ssh-sever in my own apartment
[05:15] <soren> caitanya: You don't need reverse dns for that.
[05:16] <caitanya> soren: i want it to be "displayed" in irc so i need reverse
[05:17] <caitanya> i got dyndns offcourse
[05:18] <caitanya> i dont even need vhosts like *.skizo.fi, just<EMAIL_ADDRESS>would satisfy me
[05:20] <caitanya> its hard to get other admins to op people cumming from my dhcp-dns address
[05:21] <caitanya> and i primarily use IRCnet
[05:22] <caitanya> stupid ircnet, but most are just too lazy to use multiple ircnets
[05:23] <soren> caitanya: Sounds like you have an IRC problem, not a ISP problem to be honest.
[05:25] <caitanya> soren: no, if i connect from my sh server and have my own domain my isp makes r-dns allways to their hostname
[05:25] <soren> caitanya: I understand.
[05:26] <soren> caitanya: Just like EVERONE ELSE ON THE PLANET.
[05:27] <caitanya> i think my isp is stupid. they dont want my moneys :D
[05:27] <soren> caitanya: And for everyone else on the planet, it's not a problem.
[05:27] <soren> caitanya: You have a problem with IRC that you're trying to fix by talking to your ISP.
[05:27] <caitanya> soren: ok. now im interested
[05:29] <caitanya> how do i get my host <hidden>.allowed.org to be seen as my irssi users reverse-dns in IRCnet or any ircnet ?
[05:30] <soren> caitanya: You should talk to IRCnet about this.
[05:30] <caitanya> k
[05:32] <caitanya> but the same problem is also with every ircnet
[05:33] <caitanya> i really dont understand how could i fix this
[05:33] <caitanya> gotta google
[05:37] <caitanya> http://superuser.com/questions/439483/is-the-reverse-dns-lookup-performed-by-irc-networks-usually-validated-against-th
[05:37] <caitanya> damn tablet. hard to use copy/paste
[05:38] <caitanya> ok so it is a problem with ircnets and not my isp
[05:38] <caitanya> but the solution would still be to have isp set r-dns pointing to my domain
[05:39] <caitanya> or then just make ircnets to allow "spoofing" by giving users tonpoint rdns to domains they dont even own
[05:40] <caitanya> *to point
[05:40] <caitanya> after reading that superuser.com article
[05:54] <Oplex> is there a all preseed links on distrowatch
[06:05] <soren> caitanya: That's nonsense.
[06:05] <soren> caitanya: Why would IRCnets fake something to fool their own checks?
[06:05] <soren> caitanya: Look, for Freenode, for instance, I just register when I log on. Using a password.
[06:06] <soren> caitanya: Sorry, not register. Identify.
[06:06] <soren> caitanya: And then my hostname gets replaced with ubuntu/member/soren. For others, it'd be something else.
[06:09] <caitanya> soren: freenode just supports hostname cloaking but i am talking about reverse dns not ircnets abilities
[06:10] <soren> caitanya: But you say you want reverse dns because of something related to IRC, right?
[06:10] <caitanya> yeah
[06:10] <soren> Ok, so that doesn't make any sense, does it?
[06:11] <caitanya> but if id had reverse dns done/allowed by my isp then it would be seen every were that checks reverse
[06:11] <soren> You're say you're talking about reverse dns, not ircnet's abilities, but you're wanting to deal with reverse dns, *BECAUSE* of ircnet's abilities.
[06:11] <caitanya> soren: true reverse dns
[06:13] <caitanya> did u read that superuser.com article and u understand that my ip allways is pointing to my isp's hostname
[06:14] <soren> caitanya: I didn't read it, no.
[06:14] <soren> caitanya: But EVERY ISP ON THE PLANET DOES THINGS THIS WAY.
[06:14] <soren> caitanya: You're trying to fix the wrong problem.
[06:16] <soren> ...and this is about as much time I'm willing to spend convincing you of that. If you insist on fixing the wrong problem, enjoy and good luck. You'll probably not succeed, but if you do, you'll be forever stuck with that ISP, because you'll be avoiding this (wrong) problem.
[06:17] <Ben64> how is any of this an ubuntu server issue?
[06:17] <caitanya> off topic
[06:17] <soren> Yeah, there's that, too.
[06:18] <Ben64> if you want a reverse dns, get an ip that you can do that with. problem solved
[06:19] <soren> She (he?) doesn't want reverse dns. She (he?) wants... to have ops on IRCnet or something along those lines.
[06:19] <soren> Phrasing it as a reverse dns problem is disingenuous.
[06:19] <soren> Basing any sort of security on reverse DNS lookups is mental. Noone does that.
[06:19] <Ben64> i kind of skimmed it but it really seems like more of a rdns thing
[06:19] <soren> Because you can change it. that's the whole point.
[06:20] <soren> This problem has exactly nothing to do with rdns. Nothing. Not a bit.
[06:21] <caitanya> soren: propably every isp in finland allways makes rdns to their stupid hostname no matter how many domains or fixed ip's i'd own
[06:21] <soren> caitanya: EVERY ISP ON THE PLANET.
[06:21] <Ben64> caitanya: what is your actual goal
[06:21] <caitanya> ffs
[06:22] <caitanya> knows
[06:22] <caitanya> again: having a fixed ip from my isp and getting rdns to my domain
[06:23] <Ben64> then get an ip from somewhere that allows you to do that, done
[06:24] <soren> YOU DONT NEED REVERSE DNS!
[06:25] <Ben64> hey if caitanya wants rdns, whats the problem with that
[06:25] <soren> caitanya: Ok, suppose you got an IP and set your rdns to point to foo.caytanya.fi or whatever.
[06:25] <caitanya> ben64:  and how could i get my isp allowing me to get ip from not them if i'm stuck using their fixed or dynamic ip and theyr dns server which makes my rdns record ?
[06:25] <soren> Suppose I do THE EXACT SAME THING.
[06:26] <soren> CAn you trust that reverse dns for anything? No.
[06:26] <soren> Does anyone in their right mind trust it for anything? No.
[06:26] <ben64_> see, i got rdns. it's super sweet
[06:26] <soren> I give up. This is a joke. You're fixing the wrong problem. Have fun with that.
[06:26] <Ben64> caitanya: if your isp doesn't let you change the rdns, then you can't change it. find somewhere (usually datacenters and other hosting things) that will let you
[06:27] <soren> Ben64: WRONG PROBLEM!
[06:27] <Ben64> soren: i really think you're misunderstanding it.
[06:27] <soren> Pray tell.
[06:27] <caitanya> ben64: that is the idea
[06:27] <Ben64> i re-read the whole thing, seems like caitanya just wants it
[06:27] <Ben64> not for any specific purpose, besides it looking cooler
[06:27] <caitanya> i agree with ben64 soren
[06:27] <soren> caitanya: Of course you do.
[06:27] <soren> caitanya: You're human.
[06:28] <soren> Hmm.. At least I think you are.
[06:28] <soren> Anyway..
[06:28] <caitanya> no, im a fallen arch-angel ;)
[06:28] <soren> caitanya: Humans are much more likely to agree with anything that reinforces views they already hold, regardless of reason or facts.
[06:28] <caitanya> at least i believe
[06:29] <soren> caitanya: Do you want rdns because it looks cool or do you think having rdns will solve some problem for you?
[06:29] <caitanya> it does not solve anything. period.
[06:30] <caitanya> except my irc-shell hosting would have a neat hostame every where that rdns is checked
[06:31] <Ben64> then the real answer is get a real server in a real datacenter and stop using residential connections for servering
[06:31] <caitanya> even on myip.is rdns check just to clarify
[06:31] <caitanya> ben64: i have said that already above
[06:31] <caitanya> i have a vps
[06:31] <maswan> Or get a real ISP to deliver service to your home instead of a crappy second class citizen residental ISP
[06:31] <caitanya> and 2 domains
[06:32] <Ben64> vps isn't real
[06:32] <soren> Netflix doesn't exist?
[06:32] <caitanya> and im below eu-defined poverty definition
[06:33] <caitanya> so getting vps is and option but i have 3 users on my sever in home
[06:33] <caitanya> so a vps eould be overkill
[06:34] <caitanya> dämn tablet "keyboard"
[06:36] <caitanya> and im not gonna make accounts on my vps that is reserved for my commercial projects
[06:37] <caitanya> i dont even use it to irc because it cant be updated because its an old gentoo with broken portage
[06:37] <caitanya> so has many security issues because i cant get security updates
[06:39] <caitanya> and calling my vps provider would charge me too much if id want ubuntu server and all data and confugurations to work
[06:40] <caitanya> and downtime costs money
[06:40] <caitanya> which i dont have
[06:40] <caitanya> every thing would be ok if that stupid portage would work
[06:41] <Ben64> so you have commercial products on a broken vps
[06:41] <Ben64> lol.
[06:41] <caitanya> *every* thing broken on portage
[06:42] <caitanya> ben64: not that much commercial
[06:45] <caitanya> ben64: one solution with out downtime would be to buy another vps and doing it manually but overlapping vps prives are too much for my budget
[06:45] <caitanya> *prices
[06:45] <Ben64> so your solution is to be completely insecure. good plan
[06:45] <caitanya> ben64: there are no remote exploits
[06:45] <caitanya> just local
[06:46] <caitanya> so giving access there for my "friends" is not an option cause im paranoid by security
[06:47] <Ben64> not paranoid enough if you don't care about updates
[06:47] <caitanya> ben64: no remote exploits and a broken gentoo
[06:48] <caitanya> just local exploits so giving access is something that makes me loose my ability to sleep
[06:49] <caitanya> i have already said that chancing gentoo to ubuntu would fix every thing but is takes too much money and configuration time
[06:52] <caitanya> i have a solution for my home ssh server
[06:52] <caitanya> calling tech support today
[06:56] <HackVictim1001> evening y'all
[12:53] <caribou> smoser: rbasak: I'm listening to yesterday's systemd UOS session and just had a wild idea : woudn't it be possible to kexec to systemd from upstart ?
[13:02] <histo> lol
[13:05] <rbasak> caribou: possible - yes, I guess. But what would be the advantage over a reboot? Some saved time?
[13:06] <caribou> rbasak: mostly for interim test purposes
[13:06] <caribou> rbasak: especially for cloud instances if possible
[13:07] <caribou> rbasak: a bit like what smoser talked regarding reboot after kernel upgrade
[13:07] <rbasak> caribou: from the point of view of the distribution on the system (both kernel and userspace), I guess a kexec is pretty much identical to a reboot.
[13:07] <rbasak> So I think it could work and you can do it.
[13:08] <caribou> rbasak: well, you save on instantiation time on cloud & H/W + F/W initialization on bare metal
[13:08] <caribou> rbasak: again, this could be just a kludge for testing the migration to systemd
[13:08] <caribou> rbasak: I'll keep it in the back of my mind & try to test it if I get time
[13:10] <rbasak> caribou: my concern is that, as a hack, it might be difficult to tell the difference between an issue with the systemd setup in distro, and an issue caused by the kexec attempt.
[13:10] <caribou> rbasak: true
[13:10] <rbasak> caribou: for testing, I think I'd prefer to just hack the image and modify /sbin/init or something.
[13:11] <rbasak> caribou: smoser's mount-image-callback makes this easy and scriptable
[13:12] <caribou> well both this talk & the simplestreams demo made my day; was well worth the time reviewing the recording
[13:13] <rbasak> Thanks! kexec is a neat idea - I'm just not sure what it gains us in this particular situation.
[13:15] <jamespage> coreycb, looking at 2014.1.1 now
[13:16] <coreycb> jamespage, thanks
[13:17] <jamespage> coreycb, just hit fixed bugs in the NSX support in neutron :-)
[13:18] <jamespage> coreycb, hmm - the icehouse branch has utopic entries....
[13:19] <coreycb> jamespage, yeah...
[13:19] <coreycb> jamespage, wasn't sure about that
[13:19] <jamespage> coreycb, its because we don't do an new upload with just the Vcs fields changed at the opening of utopic
[13:20] <jamespage> we should do
[13:21] <coreycb> jamespage, ok - btw  I think only neutron has utopic entries
[13:22] <jamespage> coreycb, tis OK - I can fix it
[13:22] <coreycb> jamespage, thanks
[13:29] <Kully> Hey all; how can I set up a bind to run at startup?
[13:31] <ikonia> Kully: it does by default
[13:31] <ikonia> the init script launches it at startup
[13:36] <jamespage> coreycb, urgh - looks like six>=1.6.0 is all over the place
[13:37] <coreycb> jamespage, oh?
[13:38] <jamespage> coreycb, yeah - looks like it synced in from global requirements
[13:38] <jamespage> coreycb, we only have 1.5.2 in trusty
[13:38] <coreycb> jamespage, can we get 1.6.0 into trusty?
[13:39] <jamespage> coreycb, no
[13:40] <coreycb> jamespage, should they all get patched to 1.5.2?
[13:40] <smoser> caribou, yeah, i had that same kind of thought.
[13:40] <jamespage> coreycb, just thinking about it
[13:41] <smoser> hm..
[13:41] <caribou> smoser: I'll take that as a compliment ;-)
[13:41] <smoser> it would work/
[13:41] <smoser> right now we dont have kexec in our images
[13:41] <smoser> so that means 'apt-get install kexec-utils'
[13:41] <smoser> which is a pain
[13:41] <smoser> but it could work.
[13:41] <smoser> xnox, ping
[13:41] <smoser> had a quesiotn on systemd
[13:42] <smoser> will we support systemd as /sbin/init ?
[13:42] <smoser> for this idea of "boot upstart, tell cloud-init to reboot into systemd"
[13:42] <caribou> smoser: btw, since I've been adding kdump remote dump functionalities, I was also thinking of creating a subordinate charm to enable remote dumping
[13:42] <smoser> that would work for grub
[13:42] <smoser> but would not work for lxc
[13:42] <caribou> smoser: this would also require adding kexec-tools. not related though
[13:42] <smoser> or some other case where the kernel loader is external
[13:43] <smoser> but cloud-init could dpkg-divert /sbin/init and hook up systemd there
[13:43] <smoser> and then we'd be good to go
[13:43] <smoser> and we could test just as easily in lxc as we kvm.
[13:48] <xnox> smoser: holla =)
[13:48] <xnox> smoser: at the moment to boot with systemd one must pass kernel cmdline option init=/lib/systemd/systemd
[13:49] <xnox> smoser: at the moment we do not support installing systemd-sysv with upstart for e.g. systemd to take over /sbin/init binary.
[13:49] <xnox> smoser: you can crudely do $ cp /lib/systemd/systemd /sbin/init
[13:49] <xnox> smoser: that would break booting user-session desktop =) but you wouldn't care about that ;-)
[13:50] <xnox> smoser: i believe/hope that in 16.04 /sbin/init will ifact be systemd binary.
[13:54] <genii> Is there any way to revert from using biosdevname to the 70-persistent-net.rules ?
[13:57] <smoser> xnox, well, sure i'd hope that too for 16.04
[13:57] <smoser> but containing "what is the init system" *INSIDE THE SYSTEM* is just cleaner
[13:57] <smoser> i'd probably dpkg-divert rather than 'cp'
[13:58] <smoser> i do see that as easier than poking around at grub config.
[14:00] <xnox> smoser: grub config is easy.
[14:01] <xnox> smoser: we have now /etc/default/grub.d where one can drop your own snippets and they get applied.
[14:01] <xnox> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="$GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT init=/lib/systemd/systemd"
[14:01] <xnox> and update-grub
[14:02] <xnox> if that at all works with grub-<ec2 thing variant>
[14:04] <xnox> smoser: whilst reboot into systemd is interesting, the more fun case would be to boot the cloud-image into systemd direct.
[14:04] <xnox> smoser: when booting cloud-image with e.g. lxc-container or qemu one can typically pass the init= param
[14:04] <xnox> and then if all cloud-init stuff just works(tm) we are good to go.
[14:10] <zul> jamespage: ping
[14:10] <jamespage> zul, hey
[14:11] <zul> jamespage:  can you check to see if im missing anything obvious? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/utopic-adt-neutron/43/ARCH=i386,label=adt/
[14:11] <smoser> xnox, grub-config is not easy.
[14:11] <smoser> 'update-grub' is about 1000 times more overhead than 'dpkg-divert'
[14:11] <jamespage> zul, apt0t-neutron-daemons FAIL non-zero exit status 1
[14:11] <xnox> smoser: yeah.
[14:11] <jamespage> zul, look at the bug report that pitti assigned you
[14:12] <zul> jamespage:  oh
[14:12] <smoser> and, yeah, on amazon we also have that 'grub-legacy-ec2' thing that updates /boot/grub/menu.lst
[14:12] <smoser> and it does not (and argubly should not) read /etc/default/grub.d
[14:12] <jamespage> zul, basically unless the service is fully configured, it will exit on startup
[14:12] <zul> jamespage:  right
[14:12] <smoser> (since that is grub2 config and it is a grub1 config writer :)
[14:13] <smoser> also, the fact that running 'update-grub' a.) wont work in lxc
[14:13] <smoser> b.) wouldn't do what you wanted even if it didnt fail
[14:13] <smoser> (maybe it doesn't fail nay more , but at one point it would fail, exiting non-zero)
[14:14] <smoser> so that really leads me to want to change my /sbin/init
[14:14] <jamespage> coreycb, nova + neutron did not resync but everything else did :-(
[14:15] <coreycb> jamespage, ok I'll refresh the rest of the branches with requirements.txt patches
[14:15] <jamespage> coreycb, +1 thanks
[14:15] <coreycb> jamespage, no problemo
[14:15] <jamespage> coreycb, I'll hold off uploads until we have the complete set :-
[14:16] <coreycb> jamespage, sounds good
[14:20] <Kully> ikonia: sorry for the delay; I'm trying to run a mount --bind /vol/bind/www /var/www at startup, this doesn't happen automatically
[14:21] <ikonia> ahh you mean a bind mount point
[14:21] <ikonia> sorry
[14:21] <ikonia> I thought you mean bind as in the named application
[14:21] <Kully> sorry for not being clean
[14:21] <ikonia> put it in fstab, I 'think' the file system type is "bind" but you'd need to check that
[15:54] <Kully> ikonia: thanks! added /olddir /newdir none bind 0 0 to fstab
[15:54] <Kully> worked great
[15:56] <zul> jamespage:  btw ceilometer doesnt ship a configuration file anymore
[15:57] <jamespage> zul, interesting - why not?
[15:58] <zul> jamespage:  gate failures looks like it https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer/commit/7dab3be0175fd9214fc2b40e112e53573a6d5362
[15:59] <jamespage> zul, "bash tools/config/generate_sample.sh -b . -p ceilometer -o etc/ceilometer"
[15:59] <jamespage> lets generate it instead!
[15:59] <zul> yeah
[16:57] <sarnold> teward: probably for an important machine I'd be conservative and upgrade 10.04 to 12.04 before 14.04.
[17:08] <Yaannnn> Hi !
[17:09] <Yaannnn> I have trouble NATing 10gbits with 1000 1-to-1 rules and many flows
[17:09] <Yaannnn> it doesn't reaches 10gbit/s
[17:10] <Yaannnn> reach *
[17:11] <Yaannnn> I tryed with normal iptables, XTables with rawdnat and DNETMAP, tc
[17:18] <Yaannnn> Did anybody experience with this kind of setup ?
[17:37] <smoser> hallyn, ping
[17:37] <smoser> say i were to do this:
[17:38] <smoser>  qemu ... -serial pty
[17:38] <smoser> it makes a pty for me.
[17:38] <smoser> any easy way to connect to that ?
[17:40] <hallyn> smoser: hm, i usually do it over a tcp server
[17:40] <hallyn> i.e. -serial tcp:<IP_ADDRESS>:4444  (from manpage)
[17:57] <coreycb> jamespage, I've pushed the rest of the 2014.1.1 branches
[18:09] <chuck__> hallyn:  no change
[19:01] <iman> Hi, I have ubuntu server and some times in a day my server gets slow, I am thinking someone is attacking my server, can u let me know how can I monitor server bandwidth or something like that to understand what happen for my server
[19:01] <iman> I use nload but i just show me incoming and outgoing
[19:06] <Rimminen> Erm, how can I enable mcrypt on my PHP/apache setup? I've installed it with apt-get but it doesn't show up on php5 --version.


[04:17] <pavlushka-> u-la-la coffee on
[04:17]  * u-la-la puts the kettle on
[04:21] <u-la-la> Coffee's ready for pavlushka-!


[00:09] <diddledan> I'm guessing .net is a big project to run through ALL TEH TESTS: http://dotnet-ci.cloudapp.net/job/dotnet_cli/
[06:38] <mapps> hi all
[07:58] <MooDoo> morning
[08:29] <knightwise> ²morning peeps
[08:32] <MooDoo> morning
[08:49] <popey> ²morning
[09:04] <MooDoo> popey: shame about the brick :( I did that to my asus router
[09:04] <popey> yeah, annoying
[09:04] <popey> probably fixable, just irritating as I don't have time for this bs
[09:04] <davmor2> popey: what happened dude
[09:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:05] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[09:05] <MooDoo> I've just had a new virgin media router, so just using that for now...
[09:06] <davmor2> MooDoo: has it not broken yet?
[09:07] <MooDoo> davmor2: no it's the superhub 2ac, it's pretty stable at the moment, it's nice having 2.5 and 5 ghz wireless :)
[09:09] <davmor2> MooDoo: had that for an age killed the first one they sent a second it never arrived sent a 3rd and the second arrived at that point I switched it from router to modem only and used my own tp-link with open-wrt and never looked back :)
[09:11] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah i had that setup myself, but as the router is in the kids room, decided I didn't want lots of boxes/cables in their to fiddle with and aint paying £100 to get VM to move the box downstairs into the living room
[09:11] <MooDoo> *there
[09:20] <popey> davmor2, i needed to update dd-wrt because my install was old and buggy
[09:20] <popey> downloaded the flash update and uploaded it to my router, now it wont boot
[09:21] <davmor2> popey: ouch that's not fun
[09:22] <davmor2> popey: does the router have a reset button (read up first but, but see if that will save you)
[09:22] <popey> yeah
[09:22] <popey> it has a whole process for resetting
[09:22] <popey> didn't work
[09:22] <popey> need to look more into it when i have time
[09:23]  * davmor2 hope you can get it sorted
[09:24] <popey> yeah
[09:24] <popey> had to switch wifi back on, on my vm "super" hub
[09:27] <davmor2> popey: how you finding it
[09:30] <popey> only been like that for 10 hours
[09:30] <popey> will let you know later
[09:30] <popey> or not if I replace dd-wrt with openwrt
[09:34] <davmor2> popey: openwrt is a learning curve over dd-wrt but it seems to work much better on my tp-link than dd-wrt was
[09:38] <popey> yeah, i have two netgears, one has dd-wrt and the other has openwrt
[09:43] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Tuesday, and happy Hedgehog Day! 😃
[09:48] <davmor2> JamesTait: nothing says hedgehog like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-DPi9UIFTo
[09:51] <JamesTait> davmor2, I give you https://youtu.be/rZEnWhefCZI
[09:56] <davmor2> JamesTait: not as good as narwhals
[09:59] <JamesTait> davmor2, but more hedgehogy.
[09:59] <davmor2> JamesTait: not as good as narwhals or the badger song
[10:00] <JamesTait> The badger song came to mind first, but I figured there must be an actual hedgehog one.
[10:00] <davmor2> JamesTait: doesn't say hedgehog as many times as mine though :P
[10:02] <davmor2> JamesTait: I have in the back of my head that there is a song that had hedgehogs in it from the 80's I have a feeling though it might of been like part of the wombles song or something crazy like that
[10:10] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:36] <diplo> davmor2: http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/song-midis/Hedgehog_Song.htm
[10:36] <diplo> :P
[10:37] <diplo> How does something like that stay on the internet :D
[10:37] <diplo> Supposedly from discworld ?
[10:38] <awilkins> Yeah
[10:38] <awilkins> It's hinted at in the books
[10:38] <awilkins> Only snatches of lyrics
[10:38] <awilkins> But I think PTerry fans got together on the newsgroups and made these up
[10:38] <diplo> I've tried reading 2 of his books, failed both so far :/
[10:38] <awilkins> Which ones?
[10:38] <awilkins> His earlier work is not as good
[10:39] <awilkins> Starts getting good around book 4
[10:39] <diplo> First discworld one and something else that I can remember that I was recommended
[10:39] <diplo> Ah right, so persistence is key
[10:39] <awilkins> You can really see the improvement
[10:39] <diplo> I read 2-3 books a week and some are *REALLY* bad
[10:39] <diplo> Will try again
[10:39] <awilkins> They get as good as actually genuinely evoking tears
[10:40] <awilkins> The first two Discworld ones have some real continuity problems and lots of errors in the printings I have
[10:40] <diplo> OK, do I *need* to start one #1 ?
[10:40] <awilkins> Not really
[10:40] <awilkins> It may help to set the scene and the tone, but he does a good job of re-setting the scene in each Discworld novel
[10:41] <awilkins> You may miss a few in-jokes
[10:41] <awilkins> A lot of people love Rincewind but he's a bit of a one-joke character
[10:41] <diplo> If I remember correctly, I got to a bit in a bar where they meet someone to trade, or they've walked to a hill and someone attacks them ( been a good year or more since I tried! )
[10:42] <awilkins> You can tell that PTerry transferred his affections to Vimes as his big favourite
[10:43] <awilkins> The first two read more like a collection of short stories in retrospect
[10:43] <awilkins> Equal Rites, #3,  introduces one of his more beloved characters, Granny Weatherwax, who gets fleshed out a LOT more later
[10:44] <awilkins> #4 : Mort, for me is where it really starts to get good
[10:44] <awilkins> Reaper Man (the next big DEATH one) is wonderful
[10:49] <diplo> I've got a few of them in epub, will chuck them on the kindle and have a go
[10:50] <diplo> I read mainly espionage/crime stuff, but have read a few scifi type books. The halo books were suprisingly ok :)
[10:55] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:55] <bigcalm> !ping
[10:55] <lubotu3`> pong!
[10:55] <Myrtti> morning bigcalm
[10:56] <diplo> !ding
[10:56] <lubotu3`> dong
[10:57] <diplo> Morning bittin-
[10:57] <bigcalm> Aha, a better server
[10:57] <bigcalm> !sing
[10:57] <bigcalm> The server I was on was sending my data but not returning data from other servers
[10:58] <bigcalm> You could see me talking but I didn't see your responses until many hours later
[11:14] <diplo> :P
[11:15] <diplo> Oops, supposed to have said morning bigcalm :D I really can't multitask
[11:18] <davmor2> morning bigcalm how's life over your way?
[11:20] <bigcalm> davmor2: The Shrewsbury office was shaking in the wind yesterday. Today I'm at home and feeling less shook up
[11:21] <bigcalm> davmor2: keeping your sanity?
[11:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: Sanity that rings a bell, isn't that something normals have? I'm having fun though Honest, just ignore the tic it goes away in the end ;)
[13:07] <awilkins> Firefox is now annoying me enough to contemplate changing to Chromium
[13:07] <awilkins> Which is a PITA because it has all my links & bookmarks & passwords & stuff
[13:09] <zmoylan-pi> they do seem intent on making people switch
[13:10] <awilkins> It keeps doing this thing where it doesn't repaint the display
[13:10] <awilkins> You can flip tabs and the title changes, but nothing repaints
[13:10] <awilkins> I dunno, maybe it's a GPU bug or something
[13:10] <popey> sounds like a gpu acceleration issue
[13:11] <awilkins> WebGL is off.
[13:11] <awilkins> so... meh
[13:11] <awilkins> I'm on the latest nvidia binaries
[13:11] <awilkins> Maybe if I turn webgl ON
[13:13] <awilkins> Or is that nothing to do with the main painting loop?
[13:15] <zmoylan-pi> i have had very busy pages updating in the background slow the page in front been redrawn
[13:16] <awilkins> Yeah, I think that may be what's happening
[13:16] <zmoylan-pi> with tweetdeck i sometimes have to kill the tab
[13:16] <awilkins> Web twitter
[13:16] <awilkins> Newspaper websites too
[13:16] <awilkins> Seem to be really nasty cesspools of terrible performance
[13:26] <foobarry> where's a good place to buy greetings cards? anyone cheaper than moonpig/funkypigeon?
[13:29] <awilkins> Just don't participate in the destruction of our planet for a mere sentiment and phone the person to wish them happy <insert event here>?
[13:29] <foobarry> its the missis
[13:31] <foobarry> dont think it would go down well
[13:31] <foobarry> on the other hand i am happy receiving last years card
[13:32] <zmoylan-pi> print this off at home to save a few pennies... :-) http://platinumlynx.blogspot.ie/2010/02/tescos-value-valentines-card.html
[14:02] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: you've not got a valentine have you :P
[14:03] <MooDoo> http://tescovaluecards.com/ ;)
[14:06] <Myrtti> lol
[14:07] <davmor2> MooDoo: I double dare you to give that to your Wife as a serious Valentines card, Don't worry dude I have a net standing by to catch your head ;)
[14:14] <zmoylan-pi> or a vasectomy done via hobnail boots...
[14:19] <MooDoo> davmor2: That's more than she'd get any way...we don't do valentine
[14:20] <davmor2> MooDoo: I know but that would still be an insult for which you would suffer and you know it ;)  As Yoda says Do or Do not there is no try!!!!
[14:24] <MooDoo> I'll do not then
[14:24] <MooDoo> :)
[14:26] <davmor2> MooDoo: yeah my wife and I gave up on it many moons ago because every quadruples around then :)  So we save the money and spend more on birthdays instead :)
[14:30] <MooDoo> davmor2: we'll both be coming back from france on our birthdays
[15:17] <diddledan> I've got a weird BT broadbent problem - dad and I both have infinity in our respective homes. when I'm over his I can use DNS via his HomeHub to retreive an address which points to a <IP_ADDRESS>/24 address (in public dns) but doing the same at home I can't get the DNS system to give me the <IP_ADDRESS>/24 response
[15:19] <diddledan> e.g. from home `dig +short vpn.vpn.bangdynamics.com`: no response. using google's dns `dig +short vpn.vpn.bangdynamics.com @<IP_ADDRESS>` reponse: <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:20] <diddledan> at dad's I get the correct <IP_ADDRESS> reply from BT DNS
[15:23] <m0nkey_> reboot your router
[15:23] <diddledan> we both have HomeHub 5 routers, so it's not a difference in hardware
[15:24] <_Sponge> redd.it/43u3bg
[15:24] <diddledan> \o/ spam!
[15:27] <MooDoo> yay spam spam spam spam spammety spam
[15:35] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8huXkSaL7o
[15:39]  * zmoylan-pi wonders what the click rate is for random url shortened link posted by drive by spammer in irc...
[15:40] <diddledan> in freenode I would imagine it to be low, due to the techy nature of the audience
[15:40] <zmoylan-pi> offset by ocd nature and curiousity of same... :-)
[15:40] <diddledan> irc servers with a more moron-focused audience it might be higher
[15:44] <zmoylan-pi> to the #microsoft channel! ::spinning bat logo::
[16:03] <diplo> diddledan: BT have major issues it appears
[16:04] <diplo> Just been on the phone to my dad talking through stuff, decided to check twitter, @BTCare are being hammered from all over the country of people complaining
[16:05]  * diplo should have checked Twitter first than deal my dad for the last 30/40 mins :D
[16:05] <zmoylan-pi> but... bt brought you together... :-)
[16:09] <davmor2> diplo: blames diddledan 's use of dig I would :D
[17:26] <sve> hey
[17:28] <sve> can i switch between a 2 bit install and a amd compatible one? via the usb install option?
[17:31] <davmor2> sve: not with ease, might be easier to back up any files you want and then do a fresh flash
[17:31] <davmor2> install even
[17:32] <sve> davmor2: im doing a sideby side install so i can resize partitions after tranfering the files to the new partition
[17:35] <sve> im using a USB i created with ubootin and im not getting any feedback from the install dialog
[17:55] <MooDoo> howcy
[18:04] <daftykins> o/
[18:16] <\sv> ok so i decided to go fror a fresh install. where to get the Hexchat config file from?
[18:18] <daftykins> "the hexchat config" being what?
[18:18] <daftykins> your existing one?
[18:18] <daftykins> .config/hexchat/ probably
[18:19] <\sv> ~/.config/hexchat apparenty (after googleing) how to copy this to my external hdd?
[18:20] <daftykins> are you using a non-GUI boot at the moment or something?
[18:20] <daftykins> as i find it a bit puzzling how a copy would be a challenge
[18:21] <daftykins> pressing ctrl+h would show hidden files in the GUI file manager nautilus, allowing you to copy+paste graphically by visiting the .config folder
[18:22] <\sv> gui
[18:23] <daftykins> as above then
[18:24] <\sv> ok thanks, hopfully i can just transfer those into the new install of hexchat
[18:24] <daftykins> 100% definitely, although install the package first then place the folder
[18:25] <\sv> im optimistic. this is ubuntu. so.... wish me well
[18:25] <\sv> lo
[18:25] <\sv> lol
[18:25] <daftykins> doesn't matter the OS, they all have their quirks
[18:26] <\sv> i've copied the files from my homefolder into an archive and copied them accross to the xternalhdd
[18:26] <\sv> are there any other file or folders i aught to copy?
[18:26] <daftykins> for hexchat, no.
[18:26] <\sv> in general though?
[18:27] <daftykins> an app would not specifically store data in ~/.config/ and then use another path
[18:27] <daftykins> well you need to state what you want
[18:27] <daftykins> in general you'd just copy the entire /home/username for a backup
[18:28] <\sv> :) im switching between 32 bit and t'uver one i cant use a backup file to restore tings can i?
[18:29] <daftykins> backup of home, yes.
[18:29] <daftykins> take the whole thing now, worry about the details later
[18:30] <diddledan> daftykins: where ya been?
[18:30] <\sv> ok, i know you cant simply upgrade the whole thing and this keeps crashing so hence this fresh install :)
[18:30] <diddledan> daftykins: did you get lost in the sea?
[18:31] <\sv> diddledan, daftykins has off being awesome. where else whould they be?
[18:31] <daftykins> diddledan: hey :) having a break really, had some work to do before Spain then just felt like avoiding the stresses and unpleasant folk we get on here :) ( #ubuntu )
[18:31] <daftykins> \sv: "has off" ?
[18:31] <diddledan> lol, fair enough :-)
[18:31] <\sv> daftykins, off round the world
[18:32] <daftykins> i don't think i'll hang around, quite enjoying being away :>
[18:33] <daftykins> \sv: where else what? please try phrasing a complete sentence and then maybe we can respond
[18:33] <daftykins> there would be nothing else to backup except /home/username/ as mentioned already
[18:34] <\sv> im making a copy of ./config just in case
[18:35] <daftykins> but that's a subfolder of /home/username/ ...
[18:35] <\sv> daftykins, i was saying you are awesome and youve been away from irc as you've been busy being awesome (we have met before)
[18:35] <daftykins> i'm saying grab the whole path ^_^
[18:35] <daftykins> oic, hehe - thanks
[19:25] <\sv> ok bbl
[20:13] <sebsebseb> hi
[22:20] <bittin-_> i got british tea :)
[22:21] <diddledan> \o/
[22:21] <diddledan> nothing better than british tea from thailand
[22:22] <Myrtti> I've got Finnish redbush from... somewhere
[22:23] <Myrtti> http://www.nordqvist.fi/en/products/the-moomins/all-things-fun-are-good-for-your-tummy.html
[23:04]  * m0nkey_ tickles diddledan
[23:04] <diddledan> eep


[00:08] <yofel> could somebody set the priority of bug 444962 to high? This is going to cause some trouble...
[00:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 444962 in shared-mime-info "shared-mime-info-0.7-ubuntu1 update is broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/444962
[00:15] <micahg> yofel: done
[00:22] <hggdh> yofel: when are you going to take the plunge and apply for bug-control? ;-)
[00:23] <hggdh> oooooh http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/hobYiUOiPKI/Null-Prefix-SSL-Certificate-For-PayPal-Released
[00:24] <hggdh> it took some time for one to come public...
[00:30] <Buuntu> hey hggdh
[00:30] <hggdh> hey Buuntu
[00:31] <Buuntu> what should I specialize in as a pre-requisite for MOTU?
[00:31] <Buuntu> the kernel?
[00:32] <hggdh> anything you like
[00:32] <hggdh> but you will also have to learn packaging
[00:33] <Buuntu> hggdh, ok, so once I assign myself to a bug, I just do some research on the web and post what i've found.  Is there a process I should learn like the one used for triaging?
[00:33] <Buuntu> *pos what i've found?
[00:33] <hggdh> well, first of all you only assign yourself a bug if you are *fixing* the issue
[00:34] <hggdh> so you do not assign yourself when triaging, and when learning
[00:35] <Buuntu> hggdh, ?  when do you then?
[00:35] <Buuntu> hggdh, I thought you did for *fixing* the issue?
[00:36] <bdmurray> seb128: I'm able to recreate bug 444962
[00:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 444962 in shared-mime-info "shared-mime-info-0.7-ubuntu1 update is broken" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/444962
[00:36] <seb128> bdmurray, what did you upgrade? did you restart your session? do you have the issue in a guest session?
[00:36] <bdmurray> seb128: I just upgrade shared-mime-info and I did not restart my session
[00:40] <seb128> bdmurray, could you try using a guest session?
[00:40] <bdmurray> seb128: okay
[00:42] <hggdh> Buuntu: indeed you assign yourself when you are working on the fix. But you are starting...
[00:43] <Buuntu> hggdh, ok, so you just suggest I traige for now?
[00:43] <Buuntu> *triage? will I really learn how to debug from just triaging?
[00:46] <hggdh> Not really, no. You will learn to identify a problem, and distinguish between problems and support issues,
[00:48] <hggdh> between dubiously-described issues and correctly described ones, etc, etc
[00:49] <hggdh> remember what I told you, that *before* a problem can be fixed, it must be understood?
[00:50] <Buuntu> hggdh, yes
[00:53] <Buuntu> hggdh, so what do you suggest I do or learn about now?
[00:54] <hggdh> Buuntu: you should start working on some bugs, following what we have told you so far
[00:54] <hggdh> and -- on any questions -- ping us here
[00:54] <hggdh> you have to now get experience...
[00:54] <Buuntu> hggdh, just not assign myself to them, i get it.  Any resources you know of?  Or should I just use google :D
[00:54] <hggdh> (nobody said it would be easy...)
[00:55] <hggdh> Buuntu: resources for what?
[00:55]  * micahg suggests choosing a package that you use
[00:55] <hggdh> Buuntu: heed Micah's suggestion ;-)
[00:55] <Buuntu> hggdh, to look up solutions to bugs, I don't expect to know any of them off the top of my head yet
[00:56] <Buuntu> micahg, a package that I use?? huh?  You mean for the type of bugs I chose?
[00:56] <hggdh> Buuntu: before you can find solutions, you must understand the issues
[00:56] <hggdh> anyway, https://wiki.ubuntu.com has a LOT of tips and information
[00:56] <micahg> and to understand the issues it helps to be familiar with the normal operation of the package/app
[00:56] <Buuntu> ok
[00:57] <hggdh> yes. Select a subset of bugs that you are familiar (or less unfamiliar) with, and go from there
[00:57] <hggdh> and -- very important -- when in doubt, ASK
[00:58] <hggdh> we will asnwer, and we will help. But we need something concrete to work on
[00:58] <Buuntu> hggdh, ok
[04:57] <arielCo> Hello everyone. How do I run apport on a chroot-ed system? It complains about not finding the /proc filesystem
[05:08] <sbeattie> arielCo: perhaps bind mount /proc into place in your chroot; e.g. mount -o bind /proc /path/to/your/chroot/proc
[05:14] <arielCo> sbeattie: never mind, when I tried to mount it, it said "proc: already mounted". Now it complains about not finding /lib/modules/2.6.28-generic/modules.dep, because that's what the LIveCD runs and the mounted filesystem has 2.6.3x  >_>
[08:59] <arjun> hello guys
[09:00] <arjun> could someone help me in configuring the ICS in ubuntu
[09:01] <mzz> am I allowed to vent a little here about what happens if I try to "Report a bug" in ubuntu? :)
[09:04] <arjun_> some one will discuss that and arrive at a solution mzz
[09:05] <mzz> I'm going to give apport-cli a shot, which has the side effect of hopefully giving me some time to calm down a little, which'll improve the quality of any discussion
[09:05]  * mzz is not having a great morning so far, if this bugfiling experience counts as a bug I think I'm on bug 5 and counting now
[09:05] <ubot4> mzz: Bug 5 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/5 is private
[09:05] <mzz> (aaaargh)
[09:06] <arjun_> yeah bug 5 is private
[09:06] <ubot4> arjun_: Bug 5 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/5 is private
[09:06] <arjun_> \could someone help me configuring ICS in ubuntu
[09:07] <arjun_> ?
[09:07] <arjun_> I mean its so easy in windows......Does anyone know what to do in a GUI style
[09:08] <arjun_> Well what I want to do is be a server to my client systems who use dhcp to connect to the server
[09:10] <mzz> graaaaah this is just ridiculous
[09:11] <mzz> I have a perfectly decent desktop system here, which just happens to not currently run ubuntu. I want to file bug reports using its browser, which is apparently not allowed.
[09:11] <mzz> Are you sure this is actually a good idea? I am currently leaning increasingly heavily towards simply hacking around the problem locally instead of jumping through all the hoops to file a bug.
[09:12] <mzz> (filing a bad bug consisting of just apport information is doable, but filing a bug including information gathered on another system using ssh and gdb is apparently not something I'm supposed to do anymore)
[09:12] <mzz> (unless that system runs ubuntu, then it's grudgingly allowed)
[09:12] <mzz> what is this, some crazy ploy to gain marketshare?
[09:29] <davmor2> mzz: look half way down it tells you how to do it
[09:31] <davmor2> mzz: The reason is to help cut out some of the triage work.  If you use the ubuntu-bug/apport reporting methods then you get a better bug report with more of the relevant information for developers to get stuck into.
[09:32] <mzz> davmor2: I know, but I have to read the entire freaking page and manually construct the correct url, while the previous version of the "report a bug" page demonstrated you're quite capable of making a purely web-based interface for this that mostly works
[09:32] <mzz> davmor2: also, I am 100% positively absolutely sure that the gdb information I have here is *much* more important than what apport gives me
[09:32] <mzz> nvm though, it was already filed (which would've been instantly pointed out to me by the previous version of the bug report form, if I recall how it worked correctly)
[09:33] <Smurphy> mzz: I have the same issue. Can't submit a bug report, as the Mac Mini I have does not even boot with kernel 2.6.3x, with kernel 2.6.28, I boot up fine, X is crawling slow (disabling the plasma widgets helps). but Network won't come up (Atheros WiFi mini-pci card). Can't load the restricted drivers for it. On 9.04 this card only worked with restricted drivers...
[09:33] <davmor2> mzz: which is why there is still a manual method for those people who are experienced at writing bugs.  The problem is 90% of the userbase now don't
[09:35] <mzz> davmor2: so at least give me the old form back instead of me to manually create the url with the right source package name (including no automatic binary package -> source package redirect, which apt-get source does have)
[09:35] <mzz> is there a bug for this I can mark as "affects me"?
[09:36] <mzz> davmor2: I'm still a bit too frustrated to discuss this entirely rationally, but from where I'm sitting it looks like you want those 90% who don't know how to file bugs to file even more bugs and the 10% who do know how to file bugs to file fewer.
[09:38] <mzz> Smurphy: try using the kernel's "help -> report a problem" menu
[09:39] <Smurphy> mzz: Kernel's help -> report a problem menu ? How that ? I can't even boot or have connectiion to the Net with 9.10... Only OS running right now is Mac OS-X ..
[09:39] <davmor2> mzz: no we just want them to report useful bugs that contain the info that is required to do something with.
[09:39] <mzz> davmor2: is it really that hard to give a checkbox somewhere that turns the previous form back on? Even with the checkbox buried somewhere on my launchpad prefs page?
[09:39] <mzz> Smurphy: sorry, attempt at humor failed
[09:41] <davmor2> mzz: Not currently.  I believe it will be looked at, at uds to see if there are any improvements that can be made.  But currently it was an all or nothing situation.
[09:41] <Smurphy> mzz: Yeha ;)
[09:41] <mzz> davmor2: fwiw, the bug was 439138, for which I had a gdb backtrace similar to the one in the bug description blaming drain_console(). I don't think apport would've given me much more than the package versions involved, since this isn't a crash.
[09:42] <mzz> I'll probably be back here later when I'm calmed down and can try to do something constructive about this, like investigating if it's possible to upload apport reports using a web form instead of the ubuntu-bug util.
[09:43] <mzz> now onwards to investigating why karmic won't resume properly
[10:11] <damiano_> ciao
[10:23] <mzz> ok, so now I have a crash apport wants to report in the xscreensaver package, using the summary "glmatrix assert failure: glmatrix: via_tex.c:429: viaSwapOutWork: Assertion `sz == vmesa->total_alloc[heap]' failed.". Am I going to get a chance to move that to the libgl1-mesa-dri package if I just walk through the filebug web ui?
[11:06] <Smurphy> Grmbl... Why the heck do I always get a core-dump when I start the left4dead dedicated server on a ubuntu 8.10 Server installation ...
[13:08] <arielCo> Hello everyone. What do I do if apport-collect crashes on uploading? The last call was in wadllib/application.py, in "bind"
[13:09] <arielCo> http://pastebin.com/d72341321
[13:10] <yofel> arielCo: you file a bug on the apport-collect crash ;)
[13:17] <arielCo> yofel: very funny :) Maybe it has something to do that I installed python-launchpadlib and other packages from karmic sources, but I'm running Jaunty ?
[13:17] <arielCo> (botched upgrade)
[13:25] <joumetal> arielCo: maybe you find collected files in /var/crash and could upload them.
[13:28] <arielCo> will someone please take a look at bug 444484? It's the bug I'm trying to collect data for (segfault in dpkg, configuring libc6).
[13:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 444484 in dpkg "dpkg crashed upgrading libc6" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/444484
[13:29] <arielCo> I just triggered it again and now I cannot run anything. I was able to boot by copying the files over from a live CD, but when I ran apt-get install -f, dpkg crashed again.
[14:59] <xteejx> Hi guys, I accidentally moved everything that isn't hidden in my home/teej directory to the Wastebasket. I restored it all back into my home/teej but now Documents, Videos, etc appears on my Desktop as WELL as in the home/teej directory. If I delete them from the Desktop, the ones in home/teej get deleted too. HELP! I know this isn't the correct channel really, but I'm getting no sense anywhere else!
[15:46] <zul> is it possible to get a copy of the script that runs the dailynewbugs.ubuntu-server I want to see where we are at and would like to run the script myself
[16:25] <hggdh> zul: this is a question better asked to them, not here
[16:26] <zul> hggdh,: thanks
[16:26] <hggdh> zul, welcome. Sorry
[16:28] <pedro_> is somebody else having issues creating a wiki page on the ubuntu wiki?
[16:28] <pedro_> I'm getting a nice [Errno 31] Too many links: '/srv/wiki.ubuntu.com/www/data/pages/UbuntuBugDay(2f)20091008'
[16:46]  * pedro_ kicks the ubuntu wiki
[16:50] <davmor2> pedro_: here borrow my now bloody work hammer
[16:53] <bdmurray> pedro_: could you look at bug 442666?
[16:53] <pedro_> davmor2, thanks. I won't promise to return it in a clean state
[16:53] <pedro_> bdmurray, looking now
[16:54] <davmor2> pedro_: that's what the wash friendly teflon coating is for :)
[16:54] <pedro_> oh , that's a weird bug
[16:55]  * pedro_ grabs the video
[16:56] <pedro_> bdmurray, are you able to create pages on the ubuntu wiki?
[16:56] <bdmurray> pedro_: haven't tried recently but I will for you ;-)
[16:56] <pedro_> \o/
[16:57] <bdmurray> pedro_: I am not and saw the same error message as you
[16:59] <pedro_> bdmurray, ah thanks thought it was only me
[16:59] <pedro_> bdmurray, i'm pinging bratsche about that report
[17:01] <pedro_> bdmurray, seb128 said it's a gdm issue and fixed on current, i'll follow up with the reporter for confirmation
[17:02] <seb128> pedro_, bug #435801
[17:04] <pedro_> thanks. the report is from 10-04 but the fix landed on 10-02 ; he's probably having an old version installed
[17:05] <seb128> or the new one but didn't reboot
[17:06] <seb128> gdm is running until reboot not until sessiion closing
[17:07] <pedro_> yeap, will follow up with the reporter
[17:59] <ara> QA meeting in 2 min at #ubuntu-meeting
[18:11] <indus> hi
[18:15] <hggdh> hi indus
[18:19] <jcastro> bdmurray: pedro_: you can't hid forever. Ubuntu OpenWeek is your destiny!
[18:20]  * bdmurray is hiding in a meeting
[18:21] <davmor2> bdmurray: no your not your there behind the water cooler,  it see though just not the best hiding place ;)
[18:24] <bdmurray> jcastro: is there a particular subject / topic people are interested in?
[18:24] <jcastro> bdmurray: open slate
[18:25] <jcastro> bdmurray: mgunes is doing "giving useful feedback"
[18:25] <jcastro> but other than that no real bug talks
[18:26] <jcastro> bdmurray: please pick something and grab a slot by cob today.
[18:26] <jcastro> pedro_: you too!
[18:27] <jcastro> bdmurray: also, later on we have to talk about marvel ultimate alliance 2.
[18:27] <jcastro> but that's not really openweek related.
[18:27] <pedro_> jcastro, what was the page again?
[18:27] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep
[18:27] <pedro_> jcastro, thanks
[18:31] <bdmurray> jcastro: no batman arkham asylum?
[18:32] <jcastro> bdmurray: it's in my queue still
[18:37] <bdmurray> jcastro: but ultimate alliance is good?
[18:37] <jcastro> bdmurray: if you like the previous ones, then yes.
[18:37] <StaRetji> hello, is this channel to get informed about bugs
[18:37] <jcastro> I think it's great so far
[18:37] <bdmurray> StaRetji: yes
[18:38] <StaRetji> is someone willing to give me few tips / opinions
[18:38] <StaRetji> it is regarding Bug #343108
[18:38] <hggdh> bug 343108
[18:38] <StaRetji> but there are many similar bugs
[18:39] <StaRetji> I'm having problems with intel drivers on jaunty, slow boor process http://paste.ubuntu.com/287936/
[18:39] <hggdh> where's ubot4?
[18:44] <StaRetji> so I wonder if somebody is working on this bugs
[18:44] <StaRetji> thx
[18:49] <StaRetji> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/341363
[18:56] <bdmurray> StaRetji: the comments from bryce in that bug report should be considered authoritative
[19:01] <kklimonda> what is the importance of a regression failure? it's basically a FTBFS and potential breakage in the current package
[19:01] <kklimonda> bug 445639
[19:02] <jpds> kklimonda: Working on fixing the bo.
[19:02] <jpds> bot*
[19:02] <kklimonda> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-django/+bug/445639 :)
[19:02] <kklimonda> High is justified?
[19:03] <jdstrand> kklimonda: high is justified. really 'critical' since there will be no way to perform a security update down the line
[19:04] <jdstrand> kklimonda: but, a test failure suggests it will fail in a an up to date karmic environment as well (I haven't looked at it to know for sure)
[19:04] <jdstrand> kklimonda: so it could be 'regression-potential'
[19:05] <kklimonda> jdstrand: yes, test does fail on the current KK
[19:05] <StaRetji> bdmurray: It is bad to call this benign as this bug delays boot process for more that 12 secs
[19:05] <StaRetji> anyway, thx for help
[19:06] <jdstrand> kklimonda: 'high' with targeted to release as 'karmic' with a milestone is enough to get people's attention though
[19:06] <jpds> Bug back.
[19:07] <hggdh> good ubot, nice ubot ;-)
[20:31] <kwah> hi all
[20:32] <kwah> by any chance are there some localization teams, which work using bug-tracker for reporting and handling mistakes in translations?
[20:36] <micahg> kwah: there's an ubuntu-translations project
[20:36] <kwah> yep, I am aware of it
[20:37] <kwah> but it seems that currently there is only possibility to submit bugs about program problems only of type "BUG"
[20:37] <kwah> where localization problems do not really fit...
[20:37] <micahg> translations in programs are bugs in the program
[20:38] <micahg> maybe ask in here: #ubuntu-translators
[20:38] <kwah> already did
[20:38] <micahg> but we report l10n problems as bugs
[20:38] <kwah> hm...
[20:38] <micahg> and add tasks to the appropriate project if it needs to be fixed elsewhere
[20:38] <kwah> I see
[20:39] <kwah> Do you have somewhere description of workflow?
[20:40] <micahg> kwah: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage/Charts
[20:44] <jcastro> pedro_: bdmurray: don't forget about openweek!
[20:45] <kwah> So, nothing specific for localization errors.
[20:45] <kwah> micahg, thanks.
[22:05] <Matyas> Hi guys, could you help me please? I'm having a problem with ubuntu-bug so I can't report this at launchpad... :P
[22:06] <bdmurray> Matyas: what is happening?
[22:07] <Matyas> always when I try to report a error, it works ok but crashes at the part when it
[22:08] <Matyas> it's supposed to open launchpad in firefox
[22:08] <Matyas> to post the error
[22:08] <Matyas> How could I help you more? Maybe post output from terminal?
[22:09] <bdmurray> Matyas: yes, that would be great I'd like to find out why ubuntu-bug is crashing
[22:10] <Matyas> Ok, here it is :
[22:10] <Matyas> mat@mat-laptop:~$ ubuntu-bug firefox
[22:10] <Matyas> mat@mat-laptop:~$ The program 'firefox' received an X Window System error.
[22:10] <Matyas> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[22:10] <Matyas> The error was 'BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)'.
[22:10] <Matyas>   (Details: serial 961 error_code 3 request_code 20 minor_code 0)
[22:10] <Matyas>   (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
[22:10] <Matyas>    that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
[22:10] <Matyas>    To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
[22:10] <Matyas>    option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
[22:10] <Matyas>    backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)
[22:10] <micahg> Matyas: update xulrunner
[22:10] <Matyas> mat@mat-laptop:~$
[22:11] <micahg> fix was released today
[22:11] <Matyas> doesn't matter if the package is firefox or something else
[22:11] <BUGabundo> boas
[22:18] <Matyas_> uhh... internet fell of, hope it works now, sorry... :)
[22:18] <bdmurray> Matyas_: did you see micahg's message?
[22:18] <micahg> Matyas_: no problem, please ask if you have any more questions
[22:18] <Matyas_> no didn't.. please say again, my internet didn't for for the moment
[22:19] <micahg> Matyas_: please update xulrunner-1.9.1
[22:20] <micahg> fix was released today in karmic
[22:20] <Matyas_> ok, I will try
[22:23] <Matyas_> ok, now I
[22:24] <Matyas_> ok, now I'm installing actualisations, I will tell you if I still have a problem :)!
[22:59] <mika_video> Q: Should I be able to test that a bug has been corrected also by using the live boot from CD -version? (probably ubuntu 9.10 alpha?).
[22:59] <micahg> mika_video: depends when it was fixed
[22:59] <micahg> and what the bug is
[23:00] <micahg> I'd suggest Karmic Beta an Virtualbox
[23:00] <micahg> *and
[23:00] <drew212> i second micahg's suggestion
[23:00] <micahg> hi drew212
[23:00] <mika_video> i have no idea IF it has been fixed at all. I still use kubuntu 7.10 and wil only upgrade my installation after KUbuntu 9.10 final is out. But before that, it may be a good idea to test with the live boot CD.
[23:01] <micahg> yeah, well 7.10 isn't supported
[23:01] <drew212> hello michag
[23:01] <micahg> and you have to go through 8.04 anyways
[23:01] <micahg> maybe that's worth doing now?
[23:01] <mika_video> it's about video and DVB-C, so  Virtualbox is way too slow to test that !
[23:01] <micahg> ok, so, then you probably want to download the beta
[23:02] <micahg> mika_video: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/karmic/beta/
[23:02] <mika_video> I have tried to run windows 2000 under virtualbox under Kubuntu 7.10. Simple win apps work, but those that have anything to do with vide, do not work, the virtualbox is too slow for that. CPU: Dualcore AMD, 2300 MHz.
[23:03] <micahg> which version of Virtualbox, they jsut released 3.0.0 for hardy +
[23:03] <micahg> 3.0.8
[23:04] <mika_video> btw: is there any way to move my virtualbox virtual installations from the old version of virtualbox to the new after I have finally installed KUbuntu 9.10 final ?
[23:04] <mika_video> I have no idea. the default for KUbuntu 7.10
[23:04] <micahg> yes, just install the new version
[23:04] <micahg> and shutdown your vm before upgrading
[23:05] <mika_video> Yes, but if I install a new KUbuntu and possibly to a different partition than the old one, then how to move/copy the virtualbox's virtual drive(s) ?
[23:05] <mika_video> At least that version of VirtualBox is picky about path names to virtual drives !
[23:06] <mika_video> and using symlinks (ln -s something xxx) does NOT help here!
[23:07] <micahg> there should be an option to open/import
[23:08] <mika_video> the video bug: it's about kaffeine. First looks a hardware/driver bug but I wouldn't be so sure... since there is a workaround....
[23:09] <mika_video> Think about it: trying (using kaffeine) to directly activate DVB-C live watching will freeze kaffeine. But if you first watch either a DVD or a video file from the hard disk and after that activate live DVB-C, it works about 80-90% of the time (but occasionally still freezes kaffeine)
[23:10] <mika_video> If it really were a hardware/driver bug, then no workaround would help, I think !
[23:11] <micahg> mika_video: might want to check in #kubuntu
[23:11] <mika_video> I'd just assume that kaffeine has the same bug in Ubuntu and Kubuntu. I guess the bug only appears with certain hardware....
[23:12] <micahg> mika_video: yes, but this isn't a support channel :), we help triage bugs here
[23:12] <mika_video> well, isn't an app that freezes buggy ?
[23:13] <micahg> yes, do you have a bug #?
[23:13] <mika_video> no.
[23:14] <micahg> if you want to file a bug we can help you, if you want to have a bug looked at that's been filed we can help you here...if you want to know about some bug that might exist, you'll want to try one of the support channels
[23:14] <mika_video> Intereting! Kaffeine 0.8.6 does NOT freeze when used on knoppix (how do I check the knoppix version?)
[23:14] <micahg> #ubuntu+1 for karmic
[23:24] <atrus> if a bug in an ubuntu package affects another ubuntu package, how can I add it to the "affects" list?
[23:25] <micahg> atrus: at best, add a task
[23:25] <atrus> oh, it seems like i can do this via "also affects distribution..."


[08:32] <frg> hi, switching from microsoft world (since 80's) to Linux one, I've a few questions
[08:35] <frg> Q1: which app like timeshift to make incremential snapshots of my PC ?
[12:14] <bOSKE> hi, i have problems with desktop icons when i click icons on desktop, it open it with kate i don't know how to change it to start apps?
[12:17] <kirvesAxe> Well that sounds strange
[12:17] <kirvesAxe> bOSKE, have you tried right-clicking the app icons and seeing what options are in the menu?
[12:19] <bOSKE> @kirvesAxe, yes i clicked in desktop right click on properties
[12:19] <bOSKE> and it writes Open With: Kate
[12:19] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:20] <bOSKE> when i try to start some desktop icons it just shows some icon and nothing happens
[12:21] <diogenes_Vx15> bOSKE, what is the output of: xdg-mime query filetype ~/Desktop/Launcher.desktop
[12:22] <bOSKE> @diogenes_Vx15, xdg-mime: file '/home/boske/Desktop/Launcher.desktop' does not exist
[12:23] <diogenes_Vx15> bOSKE, instead of Launcher.desktop you need to specify the icon that doesn't work.
[12:23] <diogenes_Vx15> run: ls /home/boske/Desktop
[12:23] <diogenes_Vx15> and you will see those files.
[12:23] <bOSKE> boske@boske-komp:~$ xdg-mime query filetype ~/Desktop/discord_discord.desktop
[12:23] <bOSKE> application/x-desktop
[12:25] <diogenes_Vx15> and now: xdg-mime query default application/x-desktop
[12:27] <bOSKE> @diogenes_Vx15, i dont get output from that command
[12:27] <bOSKE> but again it doesn't work
[12:27] <diogenes_Vx15> bOSKE, if you don't get output from that command that's bad.
[12:28] <diogenes_Vx15> you don't have a mimetype set up for desktop files.
[12:28] <bOSKE> what should i do?
[12:28] <bOSKE> boske@boske-komp:~$ xdg-mime query default application/x-desktop
[12:28] <bOSKE> boske@boske-komp:~$
[12:30] <diogenes_Vx15> run: dpkg -l | grep xdg-open
[12:30] <bOSKE> boske@boske-komp:~$ dpkg -l | grep xdg-open
[12:30] <bOSKE> boske@boske-komp:~$
[12:30] <diogenes_Vx15> sudo apt install xdg-open
[12:31] <bOSKE> E: Unable to locate package xdg-open
[12:33] <diogenes_Vx15> run: update-mime-database /opt/kde/share/mime
[12:33] <bOSKE> Directory '/opt/kde/share/mime/packages' does not exist!
[12:33] <BluesKaj> xdg-open is a snap and flatpak app
[12:33] <diogenes_Vx15> update-mime-database /usr/share/mime
[12:34] <bOSKE> it asks me root
[12:34] <bOSKE> should i sudo
[12:34] <diogenes_Vx15> sorry this madness with snaps, that's one if the reasons i don't use Ubuntu.
[12:34] <diogenes_Vx15> bOSKE, yes use sudo
[12:34] <bOSKE> boske@boske-komp:~$ sudo update-mime-database /usr/share/mime
[12:35] <diogenes_Vx15> try to open now
[12:37] <BluesKaj> using Kubuntu here without issue here, no snaps or flatpaks
[12:37] <bOSKE> @diogenes_Vx15, again the same
[12:38] <bOSKE> i just figure it out that i can start desktop icons from dolphin in desktop folder
[12:38] <bOSKE> but on desktop i cant
[12:38] <diogenes_Vx15> bOSKE, run: locate inode/directory
[12:38] <bOSKE> boske@boske-komp:~$ locate inode/directory
[12:39] <bOSKE> boske@boske-komp:~$ locate inode/directory
[12:39] <BluesKaj> bOSKE, can you update and upgrade your packages ?
[12:39] <bOSKE> boske@boske-komp:~$ locate inode/directory
[12:39] <bOSKE> damn it wont copy
[12:39] <bOSKE> boske@boske-komp:~$ locate inode/directory
[12:39] <diogenes_Vx15> bOSKE, dpkg -l | grep shared-mime-info
[12:40] <bOSKE> boske@boske-komp:~$ dpkg -l | grep shared-mime-info
[12:40] <bOSKE> ii  shared-mime-info                              2.2-1                                       amd64        FreeDesktop.org shared MIME database and spec
[12:40] <diogenes_Vx15> try: rm ~/.local/share/mime/mime.cache
[12:41] <diogenes_Vx15> sudo apt reinstall shared-mime-info
[12:41] <bOSKE> boske@boske-komp:~$ rm ~/.local/share/mime/mime.cache
[12:41] <bOSKE> rm: cannot remove '/home/boske/.local/share/mime/mime.cache': No such file or directory
[12:41] <diogenes_Vx15> then log out
[12:41] <diogenes_Vx15> ok just reinstall that package and log out
[12:43] <bOSKE> again the same
[12:46] <diogenes_Vx15> bOSKE, do you have this file? cat ~/.config/mimeapps.list
[12:46] <diogenes_Vx15> does it show anything?
[12:49] <bOSKE> boske@boske-komp:~$ cat ~/.config/mimeapps.list
[12:49] <bOSKE> [Added Associations]
[12:49] <bOSKE> application/x-keepass2=org.keepassxc.KeePassXC.desktop;
[12:49] <bOSKE> [Default Applications]
[12:49] <bOSKE> application=.desktop
[12:49] <bOSKE> application/x-keepass2=org.keepassxc.KeePassXC.desktop;
[12:50] <diogenes_Vx15> oh i think in KDE it's dophin responssible for desktop icons
[12:51] <diogenes_Vx15> bOSKE, don't paste here in the chat
[12:51] <diogenes_Vx15> run: cat ~/.config/mimeapps.list | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:52] <diogenes_Vx15> you will get an url in the terminal, paste it here/
[12:52] <bOSKE> https://termbin.com/onz6
[12:53] <diogenes_Vx15> now run: cat ~/.config/kiorc | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:53] <bOSKE> https://termbin.com/in6j
[12:56] <diogenes_Vx15> run: mv ~/.config/mimeapps.list ~/.config/mimeapps.list.bak
[12:56] <diogenes_Vx15> then: mv ~/.config/kiorc ~/.config/kiorc.bak
[12:56] <diogenes_Vx15> the log out
[12:59] <bOSKE> @diogenes_Vx15, its the same
[13:01] <diogenes_Vx15> bOSKE, ok that's an anomaly, is such cases i go with an atomic approach, i create a brand new user and login as the new user and if everything works there, then the problem is definitely somewhere in your /home/username, if not, then something is broken in system libraries.
[13:02] <diogenes_Vx15> if you want you can create a new user and try it.
[13:02] <bOSKE> i will try it now
[13:06] <bOSKE> on other user its the same
[13:06] <bOSKE> cant start desktop icons
[13:07] <bOSKE> tnx anyway
[13:08] <diogenes_Vx15> then something is broken on your system, run: ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[13:08] <diogenes_Vx15> it's there are many lines don't paste them here
[13:08] <bOSKE> dont get output
[13:10] <diogenes_Vx15> ok then you didn't add any PPAs which might break something, but can you rememember after what actions/updates it stopped working?
[13:10] <bOSKE> i just installed new system
[13:10] <bOSKE> and did update after install
[13:10] <bOSKE> i think it worked before update
[13:11] <diogenes_Vx15> did you reboot after update?
[13:11] <bOSKE> yes
[13:12] <diogenes_Vx15> then i suppose it's a bug unfortunately :*
[13:12] <diogenes_Vx15> :(
[13:12] <bOSKE> :/
[13:12] <bOSKE> yeah
[13:12] <bOSKE> i will wait maybe they fix it on next update
[13:13] <diogenes_Vx15> maybe you can file a bug if you want
[13:13] <diogenes_Vx15> !bug
[14:06] <kirvesAxe> Hmm, if I find a bug on Kubuntu's default behavior with mouse right-click context menus, should I do a bug report on Ubuntu or KDE? :)
[18:43] <dreamhawk> Hello! In gnome, there's a "sharing" option, where you can activate a VNC connection (or rdp) . But there isnt in Kubuntu? Or am i blind? I found KRFB, but that connection was very slow...


[00:11] <Darque> hello?
[00:12] <Darque> i need some help i'm looking at getting a graphics tablet to draw what type would you recommend
[00:13] <Darque> my price range is kinda low
[07:21] <TerranceWarrior> could linux without a driver be the reason why my preamp sounds terrible?
[07:28] <TerranceWarrior> can you play VSTS from your computer to output from an audio interface?
[12:32] <CyborgCygnus> Anybody used VirtualBox?
[12:33] <cfhowlett> CyborgCygnus, yes, millions
[12:33] <cfhowlett> !details
[12:34] <CyborgCygnus> cfhowlett, Well was wanting to run a VM of ubuntu/or derivative on Windows without having to install Hyper V & also since qemu doesn't seem to be on windows I need an alternative. Does VirtualBox run ubuntu I guess I should of asked?
[12:34] <cfhowlett> CyborgCygnus, virtualbox does indeed run on ubuntu.
[12:34] <cfhowlett> !vbox
[12:35] <CyborgCygnus> cfhowlett, I meant in Windows when I run VirtualBox can I make a VM of ubuntu, not the other way around. Sorry I should be more clear..
[12:36] <cfhowlett> CyborgCygnus, the critical factor will be ram.  since unity eats up so many resources, you might find lubuntu or xubuntu better options.
[12:37] <CyborgCygnus> cfhowlett, Oh sorry didn't realise I was in the Ubunt Studio channel, sorry. I was going to run xubuntu anyways as that's me faves. I have enough ram & for what I'm using the VM for light weight os will be nice
[12:38] <cfhowlett> CyborgCygnus, have you considered dual booting?
[12:39] <CyborgCygnus> cfhowlett, Basically when I'm in one or the other I want a VM going any to run peerblock or peer guardian so that it doesn't crash my main working areas net on me.
[12:39] <CyborgCygnus> anyway*
[12:40] <CyborgCygnus> I already have xubuntu on one hdd & windows on a ssd, I'm waiting for 14.04 xubuntu stable release before I dual boot that.
[12:40] <cfhowlett> CyborgCygnus, good planning!  :)
[22:03] <TerranceWarrior> In the name of The Gozer, The Zuul and the Holy Vinz Clortho Amen. In his/her name (it's whatever it wants to be).
[22:03] <TerranceWarrior> any of you use usb based audio interfaces?
[23:32] <holstein> TerranceWarrior: yes


 wxl: You might want to say something in #lxqt ?
 Also, @HMollerCl would you like to join #lxqt to comment about the issue? I am already talking with agaida, he says we should fix it. Can get you the backlog if you want.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Also, @HMollerCl would you like to join #lxqt to comment about the issue? I am a …], I'm a little busy now, could you save the log so I can read later?
 Sure
[16:48] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/D68
 That's what I got 🙂
 Then an "arc diff" could have saved me the effort. ;)
 Anyway, do you have upload rights?
 @RikMills
 Not at home right now
 Oh. Okay. Enjoy the holiday, i will put you also as one of the reviewers from next time. If you don't mind.
 👍
 If you are not busy, someone please follow up on that guy in support of he needs any help.
 Sorry, Christmas day here still. was busy with the family.


[00:18] <mdeslaur> nacc: ah, interesting...I'll take a look....they're the ones that usually give us the patches
[00:18] <mdeslaur> nacc: which CVE is this? did you take the regression patch into consideration?
[00:19] <nacc> mdeslaur: yeah it's the other one
[00:19] <nacc> debian/patches/CVE-2016-2513.patch
[00:19] <nacc> fancy!
[00:20] <nacc> mdeslaur: the patch in our package doesn't match https://github.com/django/django/commit/67b46ba7016da2d259c1ecc7d666d11f5e1cfaab
[00:21] <nacc> mdeslaur: oh i'm really sorry!
[00:21] <nacc> mdeslaur: i was looking at the master commit, not the stable-1.8.x commit
[00:21] <nacc> https://github.com/django/django/commit/f4e6e02f7713a6924d16540be279909ff4091eb6
[00:21] <nacc> still a different sha, though?
[00:21] <mdeslaur> ah! ok
[00:22] <mdeslaur> well, a different sha happens often when we get prerelease patches
[00:22] <nacc> makes sense
[00:22] <nacc> i will try and verify the upstream patch is identical to what we took
[00:23] <mdeslaur> I just looked at the diff between the two, there are a few doc changes, but nothing important
[00:23] <nacc> mdeslaur: ok, thanks!
[00:23] <nacc> and sorry again for the noise!
[00:24] <mdeslaur> nacc: np! I'd rather we double check than to have a broken patch we didn't notice, so thanks!
[00:24] <nacc> mdeslaur: np, good side-effect of our merge process :)
[04:58] <cpaelzer> good morning
[05:25] <dnl> hi, can somebody please close https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lzlib/+bug/598691
[05:25] <dnl> this has been fixed years ago already
[05:26] <cpaelzer> dnl: sure, I'll look at it - thanks for reporting
[05:27] <dnl> great, thanks :)
[05:35] <dnl> cpaelzer: thanks
[06:10] <pitti> Good morning
[06:25] <tsimonq2> o/ pitti, how are you? :)
[06:28] <pitti> slangasek: nova/s390x holds up too many things; I went back to force-badtesting it, but this time only for the current version in y; so it won't apply to new nova uploads
[06:28] <pitti> (just a FYI)
[07:58] <flexiondotorg> pitti, If you are able can you cast an eye over this SRU please - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1581168
[07:59] <flexiondotorg> I've completed the testing and tagged appropriately.
[08:06] <pitti> flexiondotorg: we normally let SRUs mature for 7 days before we release them; are you absolutely sure that this does not break anything?
[08:11] <flexiondotorg> pitti, Yes, I am. I've been running that packages for a couple of months now.
[08:11] <pitti> okay
[08:11] <flexiondotorg> And some of the fixes originated from the Ubuntu MATE and are already SRUd in the Ubuntu themes ;-)
[08:11] <pitti> released
[08:12] <flexiondotorg> Many thanks!
[10:20] <bluesabre> Hello everyone! Seeking sponsorship to -proposed for this xserver-xorg-video-intel xenial SRU, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1568604
[10:25] <rbasak> tjaalton: ^
[10:26] <rbasak> I think I've seen the mouse cursor disappearing too, FWIW, so it would be nice to have this fixed. A wholesale new upstream snapshot in a package that is critical for maybe 50% of Ubuntu users doesn't exactly seem "Regression potential here seems minimal." though.
[10:28] <tseliot> rbasak, bluesabre: I suspect tjaalton is on holiday. Can you bisect the driver to see what commit solves the problem, please? That would make the SRU much more self-contained.
[10:29] <bluesabre> tseliot: Yes, I'll work with others to try to find the fix(es)
[10:30] <tseliot> bluesabre: when you're done with that, I'll sponsor the upload. Thanks
[11:15] <cjwatson> All new ARM builds (armel, armhf, arm64) created as of 10:59 UTC today will be dispatched to arm64 VMs on scalingstack.
[11:16] <cjwatson> Just in case this causes any issues (hopefully not).
[11:21] <flexiondotorg> rbasak, Can you cast an eye over https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1602270 please
[11:21] <flexiondotorg> rbasak, Here is the new .dsc - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/+archive/ubuntu/crazy-mate/+files/mate-hud_16.10.0-1~yakkety1.2.dsc
[11:24] <cjwatson> Also this means building armhf on 4.2 kernels rather than 3.2.
[14:44] <jtaylor> hm the xenial binutils update broke linux perf
[14:45] <jtaylor> though maybe that will fix itself when the new linux comes out of proposed
[14:45] <jtaylor> how did binutils make it out of proposed without a complete transition?
[14:45] <jtaylor> in particular the libbfd soname change
[14:46] <smoser> pitti, around?
[14:48] <smoser> pitti, i'd really appreciate your thoguhts at https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1602192 . systemd's -.mount job (mount /) is behaving odd sometimes.
[14:54] <pitti> smoser: hey
[14:54] <pitti> smoser: queueing (team meeting in a few minutes)
[14:55] <smoser> thanks
[14:55] <smoser> pitti, you want me to try to get you a system to look at ?
[14:55] <smoser> my script fairly easily reproduces and cleans up after itself. you just need lxd
[14:56] <pitti> smoser: reproduction script sounds perfect
[14:57] <pitti> smoser: is zfs relevant at all?
[14:57] <pitti> I have lxd set up on my laptop (but on my normal btrfs file system)
[15:00] <smoser> zfs possibly is relavant.
[15:00] <smoser> i can get you an instance where i set it up if you want.
[15:00] <pitti> smoser: I started the script on my laptop
[15:00] <smoser> yeah, i ran to 134 on my laptop or something
[15:00] <pitti> if it doesn't reproduce that way, I'll try a vm with a zfs pool
[15:00] <smoser> i think it ended up exhausting IP addresses on the range.
[15:00] <pitti> smoser: sure, if that's easy for you that can never hurt
[15:01] <smoser> do you know if you have access to server stack ?
[15:01] <pitti> smoser: oh, you mean it doesn't create them serially, but all 134 were running in parallel?
[15:01] <smoser> thats the easiest thing for me
[15:01] <pitti> smoser: I've heard about a lot of *Stack, but not this one; example IP?
[15:01] <smoser>  <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:01] <smoser> see if you can reacn that over vpn
[15:01] <pitti> semiosis: yes, I do
[15:01] <pitti> err, smoser
[15:02] <smoser> i can try on canonistack if you can't get there, just everything slow on canonistack
[15:02] <pitti> smoser: no, seems fine
[15:02] <smoser> k. i'll get you in tehre then
[15:07] <pitti> x-013 failed to boot. keeping x-013.
[15:08] <pitti> ● -.mount                       loaded failed failed /
[15:08] <pitti> smoser: so, yep, can reproduce, unrelated to zfs
[15:27] <slangasek> pitti: nova> ack
[15:39] <pitti> smoser: I left some initial notes in the bug
[15:39] <pitti> needs some research
[15:43] <smoser> pitti, htanks
[15:48] <pitti> Jul 14 15:47:42 x-013 systemd[1]: inotify_init1() failed: Too many open files
[15:48] <pitti> smoser: haha
[15:49] <pitti> smoser: curiously with plain LXC it *also* fails in the 13th container
[15:51] <GunnarHj> pitti: Yakkety isn't open for translation yet. Is that intentional?
[15:53] <pitti> GunnarHj: only in the sense of "known", not "desirable"
[15:54] <smoser> pitti, 13 is an unlucky number.
[15:54] <pitti> for sure
[15:54] <smoser> it is very odd taht 13 is so common
[15:54] <pitti> but I have some handles on that
[15:55] <pitti> smoser: you mean it fails on the 13th for other people too?
[15:55] <pitti> if we have a "1024 open files" limit somewhere and every container opens some 80 files, then it would be quite plausible
[15:56] <pitti> anyway, testing the other stuff first, the inotify errors might be a red herring
[15:56] <smoser> it did once fail for me on 13th.
[15:56] <smoser> but locally i made it to like 123
[15:56] <smoser> or something.
[15:56] <GunnarHj> pitti: Are there any obstacles, or is it just about finding the time to do it?
[15:56] <smoser> but yeah, open file handles could be possible.
[15:57] <smoser> the original bug opener said 13 and i have definitely seen 13
[15:57] <pitti> GunnarHj: TBH I'm not very familiar with the process; that's still somewhere between wgrant and dpm
[15:58] <GunnarHj> pitti: Ok, then I'd better ping them about it. Thanks!
[15:59] <smoser> pitti, rharper suggests libvirt serivce file does something to stop limits on processes and such
[16:04] <smoser> rharper, /lib/systemd/system/lxd.service has similar to /lib/systemd/system/libvirt-bin.service
[16:06] <rharper> smoser: ok, there is a LimitNOFILE=65535 that can be set
[16:10] <smoser> yeah, lxd.service has that at infinity
[16:10]  * smoser laughs at pinging someone by saying that.
[16:11] <rharper> haha
[16:13] <teward> heh
[16:17] <jderose> tyhicks: much thanks for getting the fixed ecryptfs-utils out so quickly! i'm very happy this is making it onto the 16.04.1 ISO
[16:18] <tyhicks> jderose: and a big thanks to you for the patch :)
[16:18] <jderose> tyhicks: well, i should have followed up long ago when i first encountered this, just got too busy with other stuff. better late than never though :)
[16:21] <nacc> rbasak: so it's not so trivial as adding the needs-root restriction, as only one specific test needs root (and other tests fail if they have root)
[16:22] <rbasak> nacc: :-(
[16:22] <rbasak> nacc: there's an example in the juju-core dep8 test of how to drop root, if that helps.
[16:22] <nacc> rbasak: ok, i'll take a look
[16:22] <rbasak> (IIRC there were a couple of gotchas)
[16:22] <rbasak> I'm not sure what the current state of the Juju packaging is. It should be in juju-core in Trusty I think. If not, Wily.
[16:44] <GunnarHj> rbasak: Hi Robie, any news on the language packageset?
[16:49] <phillw> Yes, I know I'm not allowed on here and will immediately leave. But, this is an error ..
[16:49] <phillw> 2 not fully installed or removed.
[16:49] <phillw> After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used.
[16:49] <phillw> Setting up mysql-server-5.7 (5.7.13-0ubuntu3) ...
[16:49] <phillw> Renaming removed key_buffer and myisam-recover options (if present)
[16:49] <phillw> sed: can't read /etc/mysql/my.cnf.migrated: No such file or directory
[16:49] <phillw> dpkg: error processing package mysql-server-5.7 (--configure):
[16:49] <phillw>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[16:49] <phillw> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mysql-server:
[16:49] <phillw>  mysql-server depends on mysql-server-5.7; however:
[16:49] <phillw>   Package mysql-server-5.7 is not configured yet.
[16:49] <phillw> dpkg: error processing package mysql-server (--configure):
[16:49] <phillw>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[16:49] <phillw> No apport report written because the error message indicates it's a follow-up error from a previous failure.
[16:51] <nacc> strange.
[16:51] <nacc> that seems to be a 16.10 issue ( rbasak --^ )
[16:52] <rbasak> He's gone
[16:52] <rbasak> That was an oversight. It's now fixed in ubuntu4.
[16:52] <rbasak> (probably not in the release pocket yet)
[16:53] <nacc> rbasak: yeah, the 'strange.' was more indicated at the showing up to pastebomb the channel and then to leave
[16:53] <rbasak> Ah
[17:37] <SpamapS> Hey old friends. I am having issues downloading from cloud-images.ubuntu.com ... anybody know a place to ping the admins on IRC?
[17:41] <nacc> smoser: --^ did you say it was having issues?
[17:43] <SpamapS> from traceroutes around the net.. looks to be saturated
[17:43] <SpamapS> 16  SOURCE-MANA.edge5.London1.Level3.net (2001:1900:5:2:2::131a)  164.646 ms  166.219 ms  164.621 ms
[17:43] <SpamapS> 17  cloud-images-ubuntu-com.sawo.canonical.com (2001:67c:1360:8001:ffff:ffff:ffff:fffe)  530.27 ms  584.155 ms  667.539 ms
[17:44] <nacc> SpamapS: yeah, that's hwat i've heard, it's just bogged down right now (not 100% on it)
[17:44] <nacc> SpamapS: i believe the right folks have been notified
[17:45] <SpamapS> I wonder if that's due to the fact that it's hosting all the vagrant boxes now
[17:45] <SpamapS> so many laptops :)
[17:49] <smoser> SpamapS, i opened an rt.
[17:50] <smoser> yeah, i think its just saturated.
[17:52] <SpamapS> smoser: k, thanks
[17:57] <smoser> SpamapS, can you easily check from europe
[17:57] <smoser> i dont have a system there that i can test easily
[17:57] <smoser> i wondered if its just the link over the ocean
[18:07] <SpamapS> smoser: yeah I can actually spin up a vm in london.. hang on
[18:09] <smoser> from lcy01 (same datacenter) i get 40M/s
[18:09] <smoser> :)
[18:10] <SpamapS> I don't think softlayer's london DC is the same one.. but it might be
[18:12] <SpamapS> oh here, I have Amsterdam too
[18:12]  * SpamapS spins that up
[18:23] <SpamapS> smoser: from a London VM...
[18:23] <SpamapS> 12  canonical-3.edge1.lon003.pnap.net (<IP_ADDRESS>)  9.896 ms  8.517 ms  7.827 ms
[18:23] <SpamapS> 13  cloud-images-ubuntu-com.sawo.canonical.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)  7.915 ms  9.270 ms *
[18:23] <SpamapS> so yeah, probably just the edge router that's saturated
[18:23]  * SpamapS trying AMS
[18:23] <smoser> wget ?
[18:23] <smoser> wget http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/daily/server/xenial/current/xenial-server-cloudimg-amd64-root.tar.xz -O /dev/null
[18:24] <SpamapS> smoser: same, 40MB/s
[18:24] <SpamapS> it's possible that's the same DC
[18:24] <SpamapS> actually, funny story
[18:24] <SpamapS> it bounces through amsterdam
[18:24] <SpamapS> so not same DC
[18:24] <SpamapS> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19393128/
[18:27] <smoser> its that little pond that sits between us and london
[18:27] <smoser> wonder if its related to brexit
[18:27] <SpamapS> haha
[18:27] <SpamapS> London exits the EU, and the internet
[18:28] <smoser> SpamapS, i'm getting 6M/s now here.
[18:28] <SpamapS> 100%[[18:28] <smoser> definitely improved.
[18:29] <SpamapS> smoser: oh actually yes
[18:29] <SpamapS> mine sped up and finished
[18:29] <SpamapS> overall it was 144kB/s.. but that's 1 hour of 15kB/s averaged in
[18:40] <slangasek> jamespage: hi, looking at ceph in the NEW queue... why are we generating -dbg packages in the archive for this?
[18:42] <slangasek> jamespage: also, some lintian errors; not sure if these are regressions, but they're problematic: E: ceph-mon: package-installs-python-bytecode usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/ceph_rest_api.pyo
[18:50] <slangasek> jamespage: have checked, and the python errors are a regression.  not a blocker for NEW because it doesn't impact your binary splitting, but a pretty bad bug that ought to be fixed
[18:51] <slangasek> jamespage: and accepted, including the -dbg packages, which we really do not need any more of in the archive
[18:52] <sarnold> heh aren't those things a gig each?
[18:53] <sarnold> my local mirror has nine gigs of ceph *dbg* packages.. it would be nice to get that back :)
[18:55]  * smoser left mirror long ago due to such things. caching proxy now just keeps what it needs.
[18:57] <slangasek> caching proxy always has the tradeoff that a cache miss is slow
[19:28] <jamespage> slangasek, ack - thanks for the feedback
[19:29] <jamespage> I'd not spotted the pyo
[20:42] <rbasak> GunnarHj: sorry. I'll try and sort it out tomorrow as a priority.
[22:59] <GunnarHj> rbasak: Great. No urgency, really, just wondered.