[06:38] <dholbach> good morning
[07:44] <jaywink> o.O
[07:45] <Mirv> jaywink: O.o
[08:00] <b0bben> hey all
[08:01] <b0bben> i had a device view all of the sudden on my phone while having a call, and now I can't find that view anywhere
[08:01] <b0bben> didn't even know it existed...
[08:01] <b0bben> how do I get to it again?
[08:09] <wowow> welcome
[08:23] <jaywink> hmmmm tried phablet-tools -b to flash all data (maguro) .. it died when trying to transfer autodeploy.zip to device (permission error). Started adb-server as root (first google hint) but now I can only get to recovery mode and phablet-tools does not see the device ... any hints? :)
[08:34] <jaywink> ok I think I managed to fix it, deployed autodeploy.zip to device in recovery mode with adb push manually
[08:37] <Mirv> jaywink: cool if you found a way. one thing is that if you get permission problems and adb devices gives you "??????", there might be an USB id change and you need to update udev rules
[08:37] <Mirv> or at least I encountered a such thing, even though I don't have maguro
[08:38] <Mirv> so in /lib/udev/rules.d/69-libmtp.rules I added a line SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="18d1", ATTR{idProduct}=="d002", MODE="0666"
[08:38] <Mirv> sudo service udev restart and adb devices (etc) worked again
[08:38] <Mirv> but adb root obviously is the first thing to do
[09:11] <om26er> nik90, hey
[09:14] <didrocks> sil2100: the app stack is still failing utah tests, it seems that the dep that oSoMoN added yesterday was not enough, mind checking?
[09:17] <sil2100> didrocks: ACK, ok, in the morning the check job was still waiting for a free slot on the generic job queue, I'll take a look and poke oSoMoN
[09:18] <seb128> sergiusens, hey, I reviewed phablet-tools in NEW, small comment
[09:19] <seb128> "License: GPL-3
[09:19] <seb128>  ...
[09:19] <seb128>  See the applicable version of the GNU Lesser General Public
[09:19] <seb128>   License for more details."
[09:19] <seb128> sergiusens, seems like somebody took the snippet of the LGPL and dropped the L but forgot to drop the Lesser in the text
[09:19] <seb128> sergiusens, that's not a blocker to accept it but would be nice to fix (in debian/copyright and some of the sources)
[09:26] <dpm> hey Saviq, looks like i18n works well for Unity on the phone, which is pretty cool. I can see translated messages for Applications, Music, etc. Do you know where the strings for "Frequent Apps", "Favourite People" and such come from?
[09:28] <oSoMoN> didrocks: the missing dep is still missing, the autolanding job for my MR failed (and is still failing), it looks like the job itself is broken :/
[09:30] <didrocks> oSoMoN: argh, ok :/
[09:30] <didrocks> sil2100: ^
[09:31] <oSoMoN> didrocks: I’m considering merging it manually, given that it’s really trivial, I’m tired of fighting windmills, I’ve wasted so much time this week waiting on jenkins
[09:32] <oSoMoN> om26er: would you object to me merging manually https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/gallery-app/missing-uoa-dep/+merge/166552, to bypass the busted jenkins job?
[09:34] <didrocks> oSoMoN: that's fine with me FYI ;)
[09:34] <Saviq> dpm, those come from the applications lens
[09:34] <didrocks> oSoMoN: tell us, we'll rebuild the daily apps stack then
[09:35] <didrocks> so that you can be published
[09:35] <oSoMoN> didrocks: ok, waiting for om26er’s green light
[09:35] <didrocks> sure!
[09:35] <Saviq> dpm, AFAIK they need to come translated from there already (i.e. we won't ever know all the category names used by all the scopes)
[09:36] <nik90|Mobile> om26er: hey sry I am at the university, cant talk now
[09:36] <nik90|Mobile> om26er: but leave any messages to nik90, and I will look at it when I get home
[09:38] <dpm> Saviq, yeah, so we just need to internationalize the apps lens, right? Is this the right branch? -> https://launchpad.net/unity-lens-applications/phablet
[09:39] <Saviq> dpm, yes, and it should already be internationalized, no?
[09:40] <Saviq> dpm, btw, the Video and Music lens are static, driven by http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/demo-assets/trunk/files/head:/lenses/
[09:40] <sil2100> oSoMoN: fine with me as well
[09:40] <dpm> Saviq, it looks like the apps lens here is i18n'd on that branch above, but it looks like vala code?
[09:41] <Saviq> dpm, yup, it is
[09:41] <om26er> oSoMoN, yeah, please merge it manually
[09:41] <om26er> (and my internet sucks for the day)
[09:41] <oSoMoN> ok, thanks, merging
[09:41] <sil2100> oSoMoN: could you give me a sign once it's done?
[09:41] <Saviq> dpm, here's unity-lens-mock that's driven by the .json files https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/phablet-extras/unity-lens-mock
[09:41] <dpm> Saviq, ack on Video and Music lens, so I guess we cannot do much until they are not static
[09:42] <Saviq> dpm, yeah, probably not worth the effort
[09:42] <om26er> nik90, the clock app have a problem starting
[09:42] <sil2100> oSoMoN: I'll re-trigger the stack once it's in
[09:42] <om26er> nik90, file:///usr/share/ubuntu-clock-app/ubuntu-clock-app.qml:136 Type TimerPage unavailable
[09:42] <om26er> nik90, tried both trunk and the package from the ppa..
[09:42] <dpm> Saviq, yeah, I agree, not for now
[09:42] <nik90|Mobile> om26er: ok, that's weird. Which version r u running it on?
[09:43] <dpm> Saviq, does it make sense to enable translations in LP for the apps lens (as far as I can see it's just a matter of creating and committing the .pot file) or do you expect big changes there?
[09:43] <oSoMoN> sil2100, didrocks, om26er|lunch: merged and pushed
[09:44] <didrocks> sil2100: relaunching it?
[09:44] <didrocks> oSoMoN: thanks!
[09:44] <Saviq> dpm, the apps lens is just a modified lp:unity-lens-applications - it *should* just use the translations that are already there
[09:44] <Saviq> dpm, and well, it goes away when we switch to saucy (100 scopes), so...
[09:44] <didrocks> (just rebuilding the webbrowser package I guess)
[09:45] <Saviq> dpm, we're not going to touch it at all anymore
[09:45] <sil2100> didrocks: yep!
[09:45] <sil2100> didrocks: should I specify just gallery-app in the run command, or do a whole stack rebuild?
[09:46] <didrocks> sil2100: just what needs to be rebuild please, launchpad will be happy :)
[09:47] <sil2100> didrocks: I'll abort the current apps check job then
[09:47] <dpm> Saviq, yeah, but it only has one translation, Danish, so it's not very useful for non-Danish speakers :) http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-lens-applications/phablet/files/head:/po/ so it might be worth opening translations in LP to get some more languages in
[09:48] <didrocks> sil2100: hum
[09:48] <didrocks> sil2100: remember that UTAH doesn't like that?
[09:49] <Saviq> dpm, that's weird - it's the same for http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-lens-applications/trunk/files/head:/po/
[09:49] <Saviq> dpm, it's shipped by the lang pack
[09:49] <Saviq> dpm, how does that work?
[09:50] <sil2100> didrocks: I did not remember that, although aborting the upstream check job is a problem for UTAH?
[09:50] <sil2100> didrocks: did it cause some problems in the past?
[09:50] <didrocks> sil2100: if you relaunch one using UTAH, yeah
[09:50] <didrocks> sil2100: UTAH won't deprovision the machine and will continue running the tests
[09:50] <didrocks> so next -check job -> try UTAH -> FAIL
[09:51] <sil2100> Shit
[09:51] <Saviq> dpm, btw, I'm off until Monday, so don't expect me to be responsive
[09:51] <sil2100> didrocks: I think we should have a document with all the common problems and quirks related to daily-release
[09:52] <dpm> Saviq, yeah, for Ubuntu packages it doesn't matter if the .po files are not in the code, as they are fetched from Launchpad directly by the language packs. But as the language packs are not installed on the phone, and they are not shipped in the package itself, then they can't be loaded from either location. So what needs to be done is enable translations in the upstream project so that they are committed to the branch and then shipped in the package
[09:52] <Saviq> dpm, ok, works for me
[09:52] <dpm> Saviq, ack, you've actually been very responsive. Now go and enjoy your time off, thanks!
[09:52] <sil2100> didrocks: so that it's more probable that we're all on the same page and at least have no excuse for repeating a mistake like I just did
[09:53] <sil2100> didrocks: so, basically now the check job will fail if re-run, yes?
[09:54] <didrocks> sil2100: please feel free to document :)
[09:54] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, it will fail
[09:54] <didrocks> until UTAH finishes
[09:54] <didrocks> so please, check with the QA guys
[09:56] <nik90|Mobile> dpm: can you confirm if the clock app is starting for you? om26er|lunch has a problem starting the app.
[09:56] <sil2100> didrocks: will do, but just so I have a good understanding of it - what happens if the generic testing job finishes before the -check job is re-ran?
[09:56] <sil2100> didrocks: should it be fine then?
[09:56] <dpm> nik90|Mobile, om26er|lunch, it starts from the 144 image. Or do you mean from trunk?
[09:56] <davmor2> ogra_: good news ish  I decided to run a debug build process for crespo.  I did breakfast crespo  brunch crespo then hashed out 1 line at a time till I got it to build.  Looks like I removed the nfc security lines originally.  So now I'm going to see if this build completes then add the Ubuntu specific lines one at a time and see if any of those broke the build :)  But I am making headway it seems woohoo :)
[09:57] <nik90|Mobile> dpm: could you try trunk?
[09:57] <nik90|Mobile> dpm: he couldn't get it to work from trunk and ppa
[09:57] <didrocks> sil2100: is the generic job is still running, that's fine
[09:57] <didrocks> that will protect the lock
[09:58] <sil2100> didrocks: the generic job is still runinng but it should finish pretty soon
[10:00] <dpm> nik90|Mobile, on the mobile r89 works for me (r92 is latest, but after r89 all changes are just translation commits). On the desktop trunk (r92) works for me too
[10:00] <didrocks> sil2100: ok, so once it's finished, it means that UTAH finished
[10:00] <didrocks> which is what we want
[10:07] <user82> check out the cover of this german pc manazine: http://www.pcwelt.de/tipps/LinuxWelt_3_2013_-_jetzt_am_Kiosk-Neues_Sonderheft-7926353.html?view=zoom&zoom=aufmacher
[10:07] <popey> nice
[10:10] <ogra_> heh, i wonder if they actually ship the images on CD
[10:10] <ogra_> err, DVD
[10:10] <ogra_> it kind of indicates they do
[10:11] <sil2100> didrocks: I think the ati run of the generic job is broken, is it possible to abort that while keeping UTAH happy?
[10:12] <user82> will get it later and see what's in there
[10:21] <didrocks> sil2100: not that I know of, did you ask on #qa?
[10:32] <om26er> nik90|Mobile, dpm it starts fine for me. mmrazik is the one seeing the issue
[10:33] <mmrazik> nik90|Mobile: I'm getting this (line 10-14): http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5719267/
[10:34] <mmrazik> there is a bit of autopilot stuff around but 10-14 is what I get if I try to run the app without autopilot
[10:34] <mmrazik> this seems to be the issue:
[10:34] <mmrazik> file:///usr/share/ubuntu-clock-app/common/AnimationContainer.qml:62 UbuntuNumberAnimation is not a type
[10:37] <timp> mmrazik: which version of the UITK do you have installed?
[10:39] <timp> apt-cache policy qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin ubuntu-ui-toolkit-theme
[10:39] <timp> we have r526 now
[10:40] <mmrazik> timp: the one from raring archives
[10:40] <mmrazik> looks the canonistack instance is down. will need to check later what exactly is that
[10:41] <mmrazik> but I did check I have the latest
[10:41] <mmrazik> 0.1.43 for both of them
[10:43] <timp> mmrazik: ok. that's the problem, 0.1.43 is old and doesn't have the UbuntuNumberAnimation, so to run the clock app you'll need the UITK from the ppa
[10:44] <mmrazik> timp: thanks
[10:45] <timp> mmrazik: ppa is listed here http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/
[10:52] <davmor2> guys the adb push out/target/product/crespo/*.zip /sdcard/autodeploy.zip line is giving me an error for adb should it be one or the other of the zip file that are in out/target/product/crespo/  I have cm-10.1......crespo.zip and cm_crespo_ota...zip in the directory
[11:02] <ogra_> davmor2, you dont want the ota file
[11:02] <davmor2> ogra_: thanks
[11:24] <nik90|Mobile> mmrazik|afk, om26er: the reason for that error is because his Ubuntu SDK is not updated. Ensure that both the ppa listed in developer.ubuntu.com are included
[11:24] <mmrazik> nik90|Mobile: ack
[11:25] <nik90|Mobile> mmrazik: ack?
[11:26] <mmrazik> nik90|Mobile: acknowledged/all clear :)
[11:26] <mmrazik> thanks
[11:26] <nik90|Mobile> mmrazik: wonderful :)
[11:48] <tara> Hi
[11:49] <tara> I am trying to install ubuntu touch in my nexus 7 tablet
[11:57] <paulliu> renato_: hi. Do you know where is the source code for ChewieUI?
[12:03] <renato_> paulliu, indicators-client
[12:04] <paulliu> renato_: ok.. thanks.
[12:06] <paulliu> renato_: ok. There's a bug cause the datetime mojibake. I guess it is because the fromLation1 function in chewie_datetimeplugin.cpp. I'll see if I can change it to UTF-8 and solves the problem.
[12:25] <paulliu> renato_: https://code.launchpad.net/~paulliu/indicators-client/fix-mojibake/+merge/166772
[12:26] <paulliu> renato_: please help review.
[12:42] <renato_> paulliu, approved
[12:49] <hopkinskong_w8> ~seen dank101
[12:49] <paulliu> renato_: thanks.
[12:51] <evilt0ne> tani: /j #fooo*
[13:29] <davmor2> ogra_: so close yet so far :(  recovery fails to do anything with the image :(
[13:30] <ogra_> you can forcefully install it by selecting it in the recovery menu
[13:32] <davmor2> ogra_: Install /sdcard Finding update package... Opening update package... Verifying update package... Installation aborted.
[13:32] <ogra_> ouch
[13:34] <davmor2> ogra_: I even tried via adb sideload din't like it from there either
[13:34] <seb128> ricmm, rsalveti, ogra_: I'm reviewing android-audiosystem in NEW, the debian/copyright has some small things are inexact
[13:35] <seb128> * it says
[13:35] <seb128> Files: include/machine/*
[13:35] <seb128> License: BSD
[13:35] <seb128> but there a few other files under BSD in there
[13:35] <seb128> include/cutils/atomics.h: BSD (2 clause)
[13:35] <seb128> include/media/stagefright/WAVEWriter.h: BSD (3 clause)
[13:35] <seb128> include/media/stagefright/QCOMXCodec.h: BSD (3 clause)
[13:35] <seb128> for example
[13:36] <seb128> the files in etc/pulse/ come from pulseaudio and are LGPL2+, that should probably be reflected in the copyright as well
[13:38] <seb128> include/unicude is also Copyright "International Business Machines" which is not listed in debian/copyright
[13:38] <seb128> those files have also no license infos
[13:40] <seb128> but the unicode license afaik stipulate that the files can be used/redistributed/modified but that the copyright notice needs to be kept in the copy
[13:40] <seb128> didrocks, ^
[13:41] <seb128> didrocks, since you asked to review, I'm fine with the first issues but the unicode one seems like a potential NEW blocker, the redistribution details and license infos should be included with the copy from what I understand
[13:44] <didrocks> seb128: thanks for the info, rsalveti: ricmm: can you fix this today? so that next daily have it right
[13:45] <om26er> mzanetti, hey! are the autopilot tests working for the qml-phone-shell on devices now ?
[13:45] <mzanetti> om26er: I think so... thomi does not want to fix the display thingie in autopilot tho...
[13:45] <mzanetti> om26er: so I guess we need a workaround for that in the AP tests
[13:48] <om26er> mzanetti, right, do you need help on that ?
[13:48] <om26er> mzanetti, i could try if its not going to be messy
[13:59] <kgunn> om26er: i think a few folks are getting hung up on it....if you could take a run at it
[14:02] <om26er> kgunn, sure, I will look into that. I might need guidance from some
[14:04] <jounih> anyone remember what the clock app bzr url is?
[14:05] <om26er> jounih, lp:ubuntu-clock-app
[14:06] <Oranger> om26er: Thank you for your merge proposal :)
[14:06] <jounih> om26er: thanks
[14:07] <om26er> Oranger, np, if you need any help with autopilot tests there I'll surely help
[14:08] <Oranger> om26er: autopilot tests is something new for me, so I think that I will need your help some times
[14:09] <om26er> Oranger, sure
[14:16] <didrocks> oSoMoN: do you have anything depending on sphinx?
[14:16]  * didrocks sees that sphinx-voxforge-hmm-en sphinx-voxforge-lm-en wants to be installed
[14:16] <didrocks> I guess it's the hud…
[14:17] <oSoMoN> didrocks: sounds like the hud, indeed
[14:17] <didrocks> tedg: any recent transition to libhud2?
[14:17] <tedg> didrocks, ?
[14:18] <didrocks> tedg: I see the hud is depending on          sphinx-voxforge-hmm-en,
[14:18] <didrocks>          sphinx-voxforge-lm-en
[14:18] <didrocks> which are in universe
[14:18] <tedg> Yup
[14:18] <didrocks> we can't have that in ubuntu
[14:18] <didrocks> multiverse*
[14:18] <tedg> Why are they in multiverse?
[14:19] <didrocks> tedg: sorry, my bad, I need to drink coffee
[14:19] <tedg> The source is GPL
[14:19] <sil2100> uh
[14:19] <didrocks> tedg: is that really recent, like today?
[14:19] <didrocks> or a long time ago?
[14:19] <tedg> No, it's been a while.
[14:19] <didrocks> ok, so someone broke the package detection in UTAH
[14:19] <didrocks> a long time ago
[14:20] <didrocks> and now that otto is checking
[14:20] <didrocks> it's working again
[14:20]  * tedg didn't do it, he promises
[14:20] <didrocks> tedg: I believe you on that one :)
[14:20] <didrocks> tedg: thanks!
[14:20] <tedg> NP
[14:20] <sil2100> didrocks: hm, was there some switch from generic autopilot to autopilot-raring-daily_release ?
[14:20] <sil2100> didrocks: for the check jobs?
[14:20] <didrocks> sil2100: right, don't touch the apps stack please
[14:21] <didrocks> we are pluggin in otto in it
[14:21] <sil2100> !
[14:21] <sil2100> \o/
[14:21] <didrocks> sil2100: that's why we see that the package dependencies are not correct :)
[14:21] <didrocks> sil2100: so probably some troubles
[14:21] <didrocks> in the first run
[14:21] <didrocks> to have the list correct
[14:23] <sil2100> ACK
[14:23] <didrocks> sil2100: so, we are adding the hud for now
[14:23] <didrocks> sil2100: as it's transitionning
[14:23] <didrocks> to not fail the job everyday
[14:23] <didrocks> as long as we are in this transition period
[14:24] <sil2100> Since the last correct generic AP job returned just 1 failure, so I've been wondering if maybe we should force publishing?
[14:24] <sil2100> Ok, noted
[14:24] <didrocks> sil2100: no, don't touch it, we need it for now :)
[14:24] <sil2100> didrocks: affirmative ;)
[14:24] <sil2100> But excellent to finally see the new test environment in action
[14:25] <stgraber> ogra_: so how's that container flip going?
[14:26] <didrocks> sil2100: the logs and artefacts looks good for you?
[14:27] <ogra_> stgraber, well, waiting for lxc-android-config to show up in the archive, then seeding and the biggest part should be done ... one bit for later this evening for me is to implement the fstab creation somehow
[14:28] <ogra_> stgraber, and i found a way to repack the zips in a working way for the flipped model, so on monday we should have the standard dual zip setup available for brave people that want to try it
[14:29] <ogra_> stgraber, oh, and the system image ships the initramfs for us in /boot/ on the ubuntu side now
[14:29] <stgraber> ogra_: cool. Once we have that, I'll look into what's needed to convert those into the .tar.xz format I need for the new upgrader
[14:29] <_salem> ricmm, ping
[14:29] <ricmm> pong
[14:29] <ogra_> stgraber, unzip .... tar it ... should be trivial
[14:30] <ogra_> ricmm, did you see seb128's ping above about the audio stuff ?
[14:30] <stgraber> ogra_: unzip => convert all of the weird file metadata to actual file permissions => tar it
[14:30] <stgraber> ogra_: the middle part is the not so trivial one ;)
[14:30] <ogra_> stgraber, the META-INF stuff ?
[14:31] <ogra_> well, it has a binary interpreter that we will need to package anyway
[14:31] <ogra_> the rest is text files
[14:31] <stgraber> ogra_: yep. That part will be different as we use tar and so can and will ship the files with all the attributes
[14:32] <ricmm> ogra_: no
[14:32] <stgraber> ogra_: so with the tar.xz format, our metadata file will be completely different and basically limited to removing files and formatiting partitions
[14:32]  * ricmm scrolls
[14:32] <ogra_> ricmm, seems there are copyright issues
[14:32] <ogra_> stgraber, we need copying and adding files too
[14:33] <ogra_> else things like userdata preservation wont work
[14:34] <ricmm> ogra_: iirc rsalveti did that packaging
[14:34] <ricmm> lets wait for him
[14:34] <ogra_> ah, k
[14:34] <ogra_> stgraber, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/touch-preview-images/phablet-build-scripts/view/head:/ubuntu_data is what we use today
[14:35] <ogra_> and indeed http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/touch-preview-images/phablet-build-scripts/files/head:/META-INF/com/google/android/
[14:35] <_salem> ricmm, hey, I just flashed build 145, and it seems the screen doesn't turn off during a call. the proximity sensor should be already working, right?
[14:35] <ogra_> for the update-binary we'll have to wait for the toolchain though
[14:35] <_salem> ricmm, is there a way to debug what's going wrong?
[14:37] <stgraber> ogra_: right, I expect that stuff to be quite different for the tar.xz images but I'll wait for the .zip ones to be ready and then will prepare a clear plan on what'll be the difference for the .tar.xz. Then we can discuss whether it's easier to have the livefs buildd spit out both format or simply have a tool converting them.
[14:38] <ricmm> _salem: what device?
[14:38] <ogra_> stgraber, well, i think the binary interpreter is needed for installing
[14:38] <_salem> ricmm, galaxy nexus
[14:38] <ogra_> stgraber, the android recovery mode kind of expects it
[14:39] <ogra_> once the device is installled and our own recovery is in place thats indeed different, but for the initial install you will need what androids recovery wants
[14:39] <ricmm> _salem: its working fine for me on galaxy nexus, have you flashed everything correctly?
[14:40] <stgraber> ogra_: yeah, I'm not against keeping both formats for the time being for those who're not using our recovery image, but for the devices we care about, we'll have our own recovery image that'll understand the .tar.xz format (and possibly only that one)
[14:40] <ricmm> _salem: have you tried many times? or just once
[14:40] <_salem> ricmm, well, I did a phablet-flash, should I wipe the entire phone?
[14:40] <stgraber> ogra_: so we may end up generating a .zip that only contains the recovery image, have that one applied, then push the files and have the new recovery unpack the .tar.xz
[14:40] <_salem> ricmm, I tried 3 times
[14:40] <ogra_> stgraber, i'm not tallking about "those who're not using our recovery image", i'm talking about everyone ...
[14:40] <ogra_> stgraber, the initial install needs something thats compatible with androids recovery mode
[14:41] <ogra_> what comes after the initial installl is all in our hands ... but for replacing whats there we will need to use what android wants
[14:41] <stgraber> ogra_: sure, but for the devices we care about currently, we can just push the new recovery with fastboot, reboot in recovery, adb push the files, reboot and we're done
[14:41] <ogra_> you need to get "our own recovery image" in place first ;)
[14:42] <stgraber> ogra_: but yeah, I expect we'll want to build a .zip that does that for the devices that don't have fastboot
[14:42] <ogra_> fastboot access is a matter of luck
[14:42] <didrocks> sil2100: seb128: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/cu2d-apps-head-2.2check/44/console \o/
[14:42] <ogra_> we shouldnt rely on it
[14:42] <ricmm> _salem: can you pastebin /system/ubuntu_stamp please
[14:43] <didrocks> otto: 11 min, utah: 30 min for the same tests :)
[14:44] <seb128> didrocks, \o/
[14:44] <didrocks> but with archives!
[14:44] <didrocks> (which takes 1min30) :)
[14:45] <sil2100> Ohshit!
[14:45] <didrocks> sil2100: want to publish the apps stack now? (I forced the manual publishing on purpose before ;))
[14:46] <sil2100> didrocks: sure thing, I'm just browsing through the artifacts looking how things are now ;)
[14:46] <sil2100> Let me fire publish
[14:46] <_salem> ricmm, https://pastebin.canonical.com/91935/
[14:47] <mhall119> are there plans to get camera and audio working on the Nexus 7?
[14:47] <jcastro> is there an individual bug for data via GSM in addition to the wifi?
[14:48] <sil2100> didrocks: publishing forced, but otto testing looks awesome - will we switch all test machines to this platform?
[14:48] <sil2100> (once we test it out more of course)
[14:49] <ricmm> _salem: all that looks right, how are you trying it?
[14:49] <ricmm> when in an active call, put your hand over the prox sensor (top right)
[14:49] <_salem> ricmm, yep, exactly that. the screen keeps on.
[14:49] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, we are deploying little by little :)
[14:49] <ricmm> ok
[14:50] <didrocks> sil2100: we need to have a saucy install as well
[14:50] <sergiusens> ogra_: stgraber even today, officially for first install we flash our recovery image (it's compatible for other devices), I don't see a need for building the zips
[14:50] <ricmm> _salem: gonna need you to install libplatform-api1-hybris-tests and run test_android_sensors_api or something like that, from that package
[14:50] <ogra_> sergiusens, so you would go with fastboot for everything ?
[14:50] <_salem> ricmm, ok, let me try
[14:51] <ricmm> test_android_sensors_api | grep proximity might be easier to parse
[14:51]  * ogra_ was in the same camp until rsalveti convinced me we should go with adb rather
[14:51] <sergiusens> ogra_: for the first flash, yes
[14:51] <ogra_> ah
[14:51] <ricmm> but first run it without the catch to see if you are getting any sensor events at all
[14:51] <sil2100> fginther: ping, are you around right now, or in the middle of AFKing?
[14:51] <fginther> sil2100, I'm here
[14:51] <sergiusens> ogra_: then we would need some instructions to allow people to flash/build these recovery images for other devices
[14:52] <ricmm> _salem: I need 5 min, ping me with the result or post it on pastebin
[14:52] <ogra_> sergiusens, yeah
[14:52] <sergiusens> ogra_: and last... we just need to make sure the recovery image is backwards compatible
[14:52] <ogra_> i wouldnt want to flash my SGS2 with heimdall all the time
[14:52] <sergiusens> ogra_: at least for community, for shipping (and nexus line) it wouldn't matter that much
[14:52] <ogra_> since that actually can brick it
[14:52] <ogra_> yeah
[14:52] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, exactly...
[14:53] <sergiusens> ogra_: I have to see why my Note is bricked since last week :-P
[14:53] <_salem> ricmm, ok, I see the events there
[14:53] <ogra_> ugh, isnt that yoour main phone ?
[14:53] <_salem> ricmm, void on_new_proximity_event(UASProximityEvent*, void*)
[14:54] <fginther> sil2100, I'll be offline soon though
[14:54] <stgraber> right, that was my thought, use fastboot to push a new recovery image, then push the rest through that. I wouldn't use fastboot to push everything (as we know that tends to fail), but using it for the first flash of the recovery partition should be reasonable.
[14:55] <sil2100> fginther: \o/ hm, do you remember that strange PPA building problem we encountered on the spring last year when packages for some arch's failed building because the -dev package was somehow available earlier and the lib version was not available during build?
[14:55] <stgraber> and for devices that don't support fastboot, they should be able to easily roll a .zip that replaces the recovery partition
[14:55] <sergiusens> ogra_: my main phone now is an Ubuntu Touch install on maguro ;-)
[14:55] <sil2100> (long description)
[14:55] <ogra_> sergiusens, doesnt work, i have that here too
[14:55] <ogra_> :P
[14:56] <fginther> sil2100, It sounds vaguely familiar
[14:56] <sil2100> fginther: let me illustrate it with two pastebined logs
[14:57] <sergiusens> stgraber: ogra_ I would rather not do it in a zip to update recovery... deploying through zips have chances of breaking too
[14:57] <sergiusens> just use the tool for the device explicitly, people should know when they do a dangerous operation
[14:57] <sil2100> fginther: for instance http://paste.ubuntu.com/5720094/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/5720095/
[14:57] <stgraber> I'm fine with that
[14:58] <sil2100> fginther: getting things like "libunity-dev : Depends: libunity9 (= 7.0.0daily13.05.30ubuntu.unity.next-0ubuntu1)"
[14:58] <ogra_> sergiusens, i'll just go with what stgraber implements, i trust him :)
[14:59] <sil2100> fginther: it started happening again, this time it seems to attack powerpc - do you remember if we had any ideas on the root cause of that? Since I can't remember anything solid
[14:59] <fginther> sil2100, ah, is this because the -dev packages are built by i386 and are therefore availalble sooner
[15:00] <ricmm> _salem: back, can you check your version of powerd?
[15:00] <_salem> ricmm, 0.11
[15:00] <fginther> sil2100, we disabled powerpc builds for unity when pusing to the ppa
[15:01] <ricmm> well all seems to be fine then, something might be wrong with your testing. try doing adb logcat and then ringing your phone from another
[15:01] <sil2100> fginther: I remember we had a conclusion like this, but the problem is... -dev packages have 'any', so they're being built for every arch seperately
[15:01] <sil2100> fginther: so it can't be the case
[15:02] <ricmm> _salem: and pastebin the logcat out
[15:02] <sil2100> fginther: for instance, libunity-dev is built for i386, amd64, armhf and powerpc
[15:02] <didrocks> sil2100: it can be a dependency of this -dev package which is arch:all and not available everywhere
[15:03] <fginther> sil2100, hmmm, sorry, I thought it was just built once...
[15:04] <sil2100> didrocks: would make sense, but strange thing only powerpc would be affected, as theoretically armhf is much slower
[15:05] <fginther> sil2100, a very hackish solution would be to insert additional dependencies prior to uploading the source package
[15:05] <fginther> sil2100, for example replacing "libunity-dev," with "libunity-dev,libunity9,"
[15:06]  * rsalveti reads backlog
[15:07] <_salem> ricmm, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5720120/
[15:08] <rsalveti> seb128: didrocks: why did we push audio-audiosubsystem to the archive today?
[15:08] <ogra_> yesterday actually
[15:08] <rsalveti> right
[15:08] <ricmm> _salem: is your powerd even running?
[15:08] <ricmm> _salem: does the auto turn-off of the screen happen? on timeout, 5 seconds
[15:09] <rsalveti> I'd like to get a ping or such, as I was maintaining it and knew it needs a bit more love
[15:09] <didrocks> rsalveti: because it's part of the stack for phablet-tools, that sergio wanted into saucy
[15:09] <didrocks> rsalveti: when I asked about audio-audiosubsystem, he acked that's fine to push to the archive
[15:09] <fginther> sil2100, gotta go, I'll let you know if I think of anything else
[15:09] <_salem> ricmm, powerd is running. the screen is turning off correctly.
[15:10] <rsalveti> didrocks: right, didn't know that
[15:10] <rsalveti> didrocks: so I'll check, might not be able to check today
[15:10] <rsalveti> got some other stuff for today
[15:10] <ricmm> _salem: can you tell me the steps you are using to test this?
[15:10] <seb128> rsalveti, no worry, it's in the queue but it doesn't need to get in today, you can fix those few issues next week
[15:11] <didrocks> rsalveti: ok, thanks, Monday is fine :)
[15:11] <sil2100> didrocks: btw. did you see my ping in the morning about the evdev package in NEW?
[15:11] <rsalveti> seb128: didrocks: cool, ok then
[15:11] <rsalveti> seb128: thanks for the review anyway
[15:11] <seb128> yw
[15:11] <_salem> ricmm, the screen turns off, but it takes 30 seconds, not 5
[15:12] <didrocks> sil2100: hum, I probably misses that
[15:12] <didrocks> missed*
[15:12] <didrocks> sil2100: I pushed it yesterday evening IIRC
[15:12] <sil2100> didrocks: since evdev the old package I see is still in the NEW queue
[15:12] <didrocks> ah, interesting
[15:12] <_salem> ricmm, well, I make a call, when the call is answered I cover the proximity sensor with my hand, and the screen keeps on
[15:12] <sil2100> didrocks: while python-evdev should be if anything (if the packaging looks ok to you)
[15:13] <didrocks> sil2100: it's in already
[15:13] <sil2100> didrocks: by 'in' you mean 'in saucy'? ;p
[15:13] <didrocks> sil2100: evdev rejected
[15:13] <_salem> ricmm, when I do the same using the hybris testing program, I see the event is being emitted correctly though.
[15:13] <didrocks> sil2100: well, you should be able to check: (and you should be suscribed to saucy-changes :p)
[15:13] <ricmm> _salem: I've just run exactly the same test and it works for me, something seems to be wrong with your powerd<->ofono communication
[15:13] <didrocks> sil2100: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-evdev
[15:14] <sil2100> didrocks: I think I need to add myself to that one indeed ;)
[15:14] <sil2100> didrocks: thanks!
[15:14] <didrocks> yw :)
[15:16] <didrocks> rsalveti: seb128: the only downside is that android-* will be pushed 3 times this week-end until the issues are fixed, we'll need to reject it
[15:16] <ricmm> _salem: iow your sensors are working, and they are well wired all the way up and available for powerd. seems to be that powerd isnt even starting it, so it feels like an old powerd version... yet 0.11 is the right one
[15:16] <_salem> ricmm, just rebooted my device and now it works.
[15:16] <ricmm> can you logcat and *restart* the powerd service?
[15:16] <ricmm> ah
[15:16] <ricmm> something was wrong with the powerd startup then
[15:17] <seb128> didrocks, rsalveti: I can NEW it with the understanding that the issues I pointed will be addressed next week
[15:17] <ogra_> ricmm, i wonder if it is the same issue i see on saucy
[15:17] <ogra_> (powerd never starts automatically from the upstart job here)
[15:18] <didrocks> for me it's fine, but better to wait for rsalveti :)
[15:18] <ogra_> there seems to be a race that hits harder on saucy i guess
[15:19] <_salem> ricmm, probably. it was the first run after flashing, not sure if that should matter.
[15:19] <rsalveti> seb128: fine by me
[15:19] <rsalveti> didrocks: why is it going to be uploaded 3 times?
[15:19] <rsalveti> just curious
[15:20] <didrocks> rsalveti: because the NEW queue is not easily accessible to make a diff with
[15:20] <ricmm> _salem: it shouldnt, but maybe something was weird
[15:20] <didrocks> rsalveti: so hard for daily release to detect it
[15:21] <_salem> ricmm, yep, well, thanks for the help, if I manage to reproduce it again I will ping you.
[15:23] <ricmm> _salem: alright, if you do reproduce try to get a logcat of the full boot
[15:24] <rsalveti> didrocks: right
[15:35] <didrocks> seb128: sil2100: stack oif plugged: utah: 18 min, otto: 1.53 min :) (with archive!)
[15:35] <sil2100> Damn...
[15:35] <sil2100> This makes UTAH look really bad
[15:35] <sil2100> ;)
[15:36] <sil2100> But it's anyway silly, it was taking so long to run 1-2 tests, all because of provisioning and such
[15:36] <ogra_> its all desert and casinos, what did you expect ?
[15:37] <seb128> didrocks, \o/
[16:06] <cripted> hi
[16:36] <Dubstar_04> can anyone help with a QML Layout query?
[16:41] <Dubstar_04> nevermind, sorted it!!
[17:02] <beefsugar> Hey, what is the current state of the mako image? does mobile data work now?
[17:05] <rsalveti> beefsugar: https://plus.google.com/100264483712374857174/posts/H4WRch18jEE
[17:07] <beefsugar> ty
[17:08] <beefsugar> excited!
[17:09] <Syraz> So how is the state of it on the N10? been itchin to toss it on for months now..
[17:12] <nik90> dpm: Jouni sent a mail saying that he has pushed the assets to ubuntu-clock-app/design. Do you know which link he is referring to? I checked the code reviews but couldn't find anything
[17:15] <pmcgowan> rsalveti, were instructions published for using the new data stuff?
[17:15] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: not yet
[17:17] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: not yet... MRs still unmerged :-)
[17:17] <Laney> is it known that pressing the button on the N7 doesn't turn the display off?
[17:17] <Laney> just flashed today's image
[17:18] <nik90> mhall119: same question
[17:19] <mhall119> nik90: no iea, and I don't see it on LP either
[17:20] <nik90> mhall119: I will send a reply, however most likely I will get a reply on monday since it is friday evening
[17:21] <nik90> Kaleo_: ping
[17:24] <ufoman> hi
[17:24] <ufoman> is this channel appropiate for asking questions about ubuntu core for nexus 7?
[17:25] <popey> ufoman: try us ☻
[17:26] <ufoman> I have installed ubuntu core on my nexus 7, and accepted the software update
[17:26] <ufoman> it works, but touch does not "click" after performing some actions in the interface
[17:26] <ufoman> it only moves the virtual pointer
[17:26] <tassadar_> there a bug
[17:27] <tassadar_> *there's a bug)
[17:27] <tassadar_> it will stop working after a while..hang on
[17:27] <tassadar_> g { int par(unsigned char b) { b ^= b > 4; b ^= b > 2; b ^= b > 1; b &= 1; return (int) b; } cout << par(5); }
[17:27] <tassadar_> aah
[17:27] <tassadar_> sorry
[17:27] <tassadar_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/1068994
[17:27] <tassadar_> this one
[17:29] <ufoman> oh
[17:29] <ufoman> too bad
[17:29] <ufoman> as it seems to run quite well
[17:29] <tassadar_> yeah, but it is okay if you use mouse
[17:29] <tassadar_> it is a bug in X server, and it's hard to pin down... :/
[17:30] <ufoman> ok
[17:33] <ufoman> yup, mouse works fine
[17:52] <lucasromerodb> ,
[18:00] <niel> is there an ETA on the dedicated phone yet?
[18:06] <dpm> nik90, sorry, I was afk. I was going to ask the same question, but I see you've already replied to the thread. I guess he did a commit instead of a push, and the designs are still on his local drive?
[18:07] <dpm> I couldn't find any code on his LP page, either
[18:10] <mhall119> pmcgowan: does the webbrowser-app not know about the Ubuntu font?
[18:11] <pmcgowan> mhall119, probably not, wonder if we are installing it
[18:14] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, I am getting no permissions on adb suddenly
[18:15] <pmcgowan> nm its ok after a replug, hmmm
[18:16] <pmcgowan> mhall119, actually they are installed so the browser should use them
[18:16] <mhall119> pmcgowan: see https://plus.google.com/109919666334513536939/posts/EDJxstuEzMf
[18:16] <mhall119> it's set to use the Ubuntu font, and it works on chromium on my laptop, but it's not using it on my N7
[18:17] <pmcgowan> mhall119, you made an auth app!?
[18:17] <mhall119> no, aquarius made an auth app
[18:17] <mhall119> I just packaged and themed it
[18:17] <pmcgowan> nice, that was on my list
[18:17] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: adb sometimes messes up
[18:18] <pmcgowan> k
[18:18] <mhall119> pmcgowan: it's all HTML/CSS/Javascript
[18:18] <pmcgowan> mhall119, we need to ask oSoMoN then
[18:18] <mhall119> packaged to install into /usr/share/canonicalauth/ and using chromeless webbrowser-app
[18:19] <pmcgowan> mhall119, I assume ubuntu.com uses that font
[18:20] <nik90> dpm: yeah that could be it..he probably forgot to push it
[18:20] <pmcgowan> mhall119, looks like its using it there
[18:20] <mhall119> pmcgowan: ah, looks like ubuntu.com is loading it from google's font site
[18:20] <mhall119> instead of local
[18:21] <pmcgowan> yep
[18:22] <pmcgowan> mhall119, you sure its finding the style sheet?
[18:23] <mhall119> pmcgowan: that's where it's getting all the colors and borders from
[18:24] <pmcgowan> mhall119, dont know then - make a bug for oSoMoN
[18:27] <mhall119> oSoMoN: https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1186372
[18:30] <oSoMoN> mhall119: ack, will look at it on Monday
[18:30] <mhall119> oSoMoN: ah, hang on, it can find "Ubuntu", it's "Ubuntu Light" that it doesn't find
[18:31] <oSoMoN> mhall119: can you please update the bug report with your findings? I really need to EOD here
[18:34] <mhall119> yup
[18:34] <mhall119> just needed to verify
[18:39] <mhall119> setting all the fonts to use "Ubuntu Light", Ubuntu, sans-serif; at least makes it fall back to Ubuntu font
[18:44] <ajalkane> Trying to run autopilot results in:     from autopilot.input import Mouse, Touch, Pointer
[18:44] <ajalkane> ImportError: No module named input
[18:44] <ajalkane> What package should I install?
[18:44] <ajalkane> I've installed what's told here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing/Autopilot
[18:44] <ajalkane> But perhaps it's not the full story
[18:55] <mhall119> balloons: ^^
[18:56] <balloons> ajalkane, you just need libautopilot-qt python-autopilot
[18:57] <balloons> ajalkane, we can chat about it as soon as you've finished if your having trouble
[18:58] <ajalkane> balloons: thanks. I did have those installed, but perhaps apt-get update was required - or I made a stupid mistake
[19:05] <lucasromerodb> Hello :-D
[19:07] <mhall119> fginther: ping
[19:07] <fginther> mhall119, pong
[19:07] <mhall119> fginther: hey, we have a new core app we need setup with jenkins
[19:07] <mhall119> https://code.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/trunk is the development focus branch
[19:07] <fginther> mhall119, looking
[19:09] <lucasromerodb> I have a design proposal for Shorts, Where do I can upload or send it? is a set of images.
[19:12] <fginther> mhall119, it's setup. I'm also trying to push packages to the daily ppa
[19:13] <mhall119> thanks fginther
[19:17] <popey> mhall119: we should disable autobuild of youtube in the ppa?
[19:29] <mhall119> popey: it's not doing anything anyway, so sure
[19:32] <mhall119> Clock team meeting in #ubuntu-touch-meeting
[19:35] <dumasymptote> hey guys i had a question about building ubuntu-touch from source
[19:36] <dumasymptote> is there a way to build it with a newer version of javac it says the correct version is 1.6 but i have 1.7.0_21 installed
[19:43] <swordfish> popey, Hello again!... First of all thank you for the package and for the inclusion in the collection... I'm trying to merge your branch do I have to do it on my local copy and then commit it to the launchpad or there is a shortcut?
[19:58] <T|ASK> HI, is it right that Canonical plans to publish Ubuntu Phone tonight? Or am I wrong?
[20:06] <T|ASK> With "publish" I mean they plan to publish a first dev release which is installable?
[20:07] <cnf> guess no
[20:07] <cnf> t
[20:07] <T|ASK> I other words are there any official sources to know which devices would probably work with it? I would like to dev an app for it, but I only have a very old HTC Desire
[20:08] <T|ASK> Therefore, it'll be helpful to know which device I should buy to test it
[20:09] <cnf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices I guess
[20:15] <T|ASK> cnf: non easy decision. Especially if the nexus phones are not available here
[20:16] <cnf> you could try building it for your device
[20:32] <mhall119> Terminal app team meeting in #ubuntu-touch-meeting
[21:03] <mzanetti> mhall119: http://notyetthere.org/?p=217
[21:04] <mhall119> mzanetti: nice!  Is it on the collection's wiki page?
[21:04] <mhall119> and does it have packaging?
[21:04] <mzanetti> mhall119: currently updating the wiki
[21:04] <mzanetti> mhall119: yes. on my blog you can download a .deb
[21:04] <mzanetti> mhall119: packaging sources are inline in the repo
[21:06] <mzanetti> mhall119: anything else needed to get it into the ppa?
[21:06] <mhall119> nope, as long as I can debuild it, it's good to go
[21:07] <Oranger> mzanetti: I really love your DatePicker and TimePicker :)
[21:07] <mzanetti> :)
[21:08] <Oranger> mzanetti: I think you should see with the Ubuntu SDK team if they planed this component, or if they can use/create something like what you did
[21:08] <mhall119> mzanetti: is that reusable?
[21:09] <mhall119> the date and time picker
[21:09] <mzanetti> mhall119: yes... its 2 components. a Scroller, and the two pickers
[21:09] <mzanetti> mhall119: I think the API is ok now as is. need to document it tho and write tests for it
[21:10] <mhall119> mzanetti: awesome, I'm going to start a new project for collecting these extra widgets
[21:10] <mzanetti> mhall119: also designers are currently discussing it
[21:12] <mhall119> mzanetti: there's a couple of comment lines at the bottom of your debian/copyright that are giving debuild errors, can you delete them?
[21:12] <mzanetti> mhall119: on it
[21:14] <mzanetti> mhall119: pushed
[21:15] <mhall119> wow, weather and calendar app are now on the launcher!
[21:15] <mhall119> popey: ^^
[21:16] <mzanetti> :)
[21:17] <mhall119> now I just need my terminal app in the default buids
[21:18] <mhall119> so I don't have to wait for developer mode to be enabled before I start adding more apps :)
[21:26] <mhall119> Laney: I just flashed my N7, and it seems to not suspend on power press either
[21:46] <Laney> mhall119: thanks for confirming
[21:46] <Laney> I didn't report it btw
[21:54] <wolvelopez_> Hello friends, I am trying to follow the manual to develop the application of "currency converter", but after installing the QtCreator not select a project appears ubuntu, does anyone know why? ... sorry but my English is very bad and use translator
[22:01] <beidl> wolvelopez_: you mean there is no template for an ubuntu app project?
[22:03] <wolvelopez_> beidl: yeah, that's what I mean and I followed all the steps in ubuntu developers
[22:03] <beidl> wolvelopez_: which version of ubuntu are you running on your pc?
[22:15] <beidl> Am I the only one who has a problem with his phones microphone being too quiet when calling? I've heard a few complaints that I sound too quiet whenever I'm running ubuntu touch on my GNex.
[22:20] <wolvelopez_> beidl: 13.04
[22:20] <beidl> wolvelopez_: have you installed the ubuntu-sdk package?
[22:28] <wolvelopez_> beidl: si, he seguido los pasos de http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/ y no me ha dado ningun fallo
[22:28] <gregor_> hello, is there any kind of sleep function in qml? setTimeOut isnt working without additions
[22:29] <wolvelopez_> sorry beidl yes, I followed the steps of http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/ and has not given me any fault
[22:32] <wolvelopez_> sorry beidl , I am keep trying that here in Spain is late. thank you very much
[22:33] <wolvelopez_> see you
[22:33] <wolvelopez_> bye
[22:43] <popey> mhall119: yay!
[22:57] <aquarius> gregor_, use a Timer
[23:30] <jono> does anyone know if there is a way to send a link to the browser in the SDK?


[06:04] <xubuntu_novice-s> Hi, I have a question, but I couldn't find the right answer: I have ATI video card with VGA & DVI. Also i have two monitors: 1st connected to DVI, 2nd to VGA. What can I do to achieve dual screen working?
[06:12] <Wizard> hi
[06:13] <Wizard> xubuntu_novice-s, ping
[06:13] <Wizard> you have few options, if this is not nvidia you may use xrandr for managing screens
[06:14] <Wizard> open terminal and type xrandr to check if everyting is detected correctly
[06:14] <xubuntu_novice-s> yes, VGA-0 connected DVI-0 connected
[06:14] <Wizard> if it is you will find screen settings in menu → settings → settings manager → screen
[06:16] <Wizard> it is rather poor and does not have many options
[06:16] <Wizard> alternatively, you may install lxrandr from repo
[06:16] <xubuntu_novice-s> not the one i need
[06:16] <Wizard> it is small and should fit your needs
[06:17] <Wizard> no, lxrandr does not have these options too?
[06:17] <Wizard> strange
[06:17] <xubuntu_novice-s> i'll try to install it and try
[06:18] <xubuntu_novice-s> lxrandr can only set resolution, turn on-off and refresh rate
[06:19] <Wizard> and what do you need exactly?
[06:19] <xubuntu_novice-s> the same options as in settings manager
[06:19] <xubuntu_novice-s> i need to have different images on two monitors
[06:19] <xubuntu_novice-s> now i have the same
[06:19] <Wizard> hmm
[06:20] <Wizard> dammit :/
[06:20] <Wizard> this should be reported as a bug in launchpad, I think
[06:20] <Wizard> I'll do this later
[06:22] <Wizard> there are other tools for changing that, wait a second, I'm browsing repo :)
[06:22] <xubuntu_novice-s> ok, i'm waiting
[06:24] <Wizard> gnome-control-center package has gnome-display properties tool
[06:24] <Wizard> it may pull a bit of dependencies, but not much
[06:25] <Wizard> uh, gnome-display-properties is the name of this tool, sorry ;)
[06:26] <xubuntu_novice-s> hmm i searched repo too and found "arandr"
[06:26] <xubuntu_novice-s> when waiting for answer
[06:27] <xubuntu_novice-s> and now i have two different image on my lcd's
[06:27] <Wizard> lol
[06:27] <Wizard> pretty simple and ugly tool, but seems it has everything xrandr protocol can do
[06:28] <Wizard> so, you solved it by yourself
[06:28] <Wizard> do you have launchpad account?
[06:29] <xubuntu_novice-s> with little help from you (i haven't thought about searching in repo)
[06:29] <xubuntu_novice-s> so thanks for helping
[06:30] <xubuntu_novice-s> so have a nice day
[10:25] <xubuntu220> a
[12:05] <jnsl_> anyone know how to make cairo dock workspace switcher work?
[13:35] <jnsl_> how can i set alpha of indicator space on panel ? =)
[13:36] <Sysi> "alpha"?
[13:37] <Sysi> oh, transparency of indicator-applet you mean? I think it's a bit broken, goes only with "foreground" transparency
[13:49] <jnsl_> Ok =)
[15:30] <orngjce223> i
[15:31] <knome> you
[15:46] <jnsl_> is overlapping toolbars possible in xubuntu ?
[15:47] <charlie-tca> like one on top of the other?
[15:48] <charlie-tca> or should I say, it depends on the application
[15:48] <charlie-tca> toolbars are mostly controlled by each application, not by Xubuntu
[15:50] <jnsl_> Most applications in ubuntu, say firefox, have the toolbar integrated with the panel, can i do the same with xubuntu ?
[15:50] <jnsl_> global menus i think its called right ?
[15:51] <Sysi> try gnome2-globalmenu from webupd8 ppa
[15:52] <jnsl_> oki thanks
[15:52] <Sysi> it might have been built without xfce support, then you' need to compile yourself
[15:53] <jnsl_> Sysi i found this post: http://askubuntu.com/questions/11490/global-menu-applet-on-maverick/11591#11591, you reckon its still valid ?
[15:54] <Sysi> can't ope, using phone
[15:55] <Sysi> some version of that plugin is incompatible with xfce, see launchpas page about adding ppa
[16:06] <charlie-tca> anything is possible, with enough effort
[17:25] <Wizard> hi
[17:36] <Wizard> anybody arround?
[17:36] <Wizard> around*
[17:37] <charlie-tca> !anybody
[17:37] <Besogon> huh... The only thing which upset me is unsupported UbuntuOne (not integrated into Thunat)
[17:37] <Besogon> thunar
[17:38] <charlie-tca> Dropbox works
[17:38] <Wizard> dropbox has shitty license
[17:38] <Wizard> !poll
[17:39] <charlie-tca> Normally, I support Ubuntu, but when they refuse to support us before android and iphone and windows, I find that real hard to do.
[17:39] <charlie-tca> !language | Wizard
[17:39] <Wizard> :<
[17:40] <Wizard> ok, what should I do to join translation team?
[17:40] <Wizard> are there any specific language tests or something?
[17:40] <Besogon> Still Xfce is the best alternative to gnome and Unity.  But I do not know who to contact, either
[17:41] <charlie-tca> !language | Besogon
[17:41] <Sysi> lxde is light, and all bad that comes with it
[17:41] <Wizard> :S
[17:41] <Sysi> nautilus works with xfce and ubuntuone with it?
[17:41] <charlie-tca> Wizard: maybe an email to David Plantella would get more info. He is in charge of translations at Canonical
[17:42] <charlie-tca> Nautilus has issues in Xubuntu. Since we don't run gnome-desktop, and nautilus really wants to control it, it doesn't always work
[17:42] <Besogon> sorry. I didn't think it wasn't polite because the word is so frequently was listened on TV that became ordinary for me
[17:43] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I know that feeling, too. Thanks for trying anyway
[17:43] <Sysi> many canonical guys don't care about anything non-gnome.. kubuntu guys would like ubuntuone too
[17:43] <Wizard> hmm
[17:44] <charlie-tca> Kubuntu has an ubuntu one interface
[17:44] <charlie-tca> But not because anyone connected to UbuntuOne helped them with it
[17:44] <charlie-tca> They are busy writing the windows and iphone interfaces instead
[17:45] <Wizard> yeah..
[17:45] <Wizard> I use git for such thing
[17:45] <Wizard> maybe it's lame, but works everywhere
[17:45] <pleia2> they've actually opened up ubuntu one dev stuff with apis: https://one.ubuntu.com/developer/
[17:45] <pleia2> so it should be easier moving forward to make non-gnome apps
[17:46] <charlie-tca> I really tried to make UbuntuOne work, and after three different times, went with dropbox. license may not be the best, but it does work.
[17:49] <Wizard> does ubuntu one have cli client?
[17:50] <Unit193> Terminal? Menu > Accessories > Terminal Emulator
[17:50] <Unit193> Wow...
[17:50] <Wizard> ee...
[17:51] <Unit193> Wizard: Yeah, I just read that again. There is a way to get it to work on "servers" (From Terminaal)
[17:52] <Wizard> too much effort
[17:52] <charlie-tca> yes, it does have a cli client.
[17:54] <Wizard> me goes afk
[17:54] <Wizard> see you later
[19:25] <jnsl_> a commandline for disabling compiz in xubuntu ?
[19:31] <charlie-tca> compiz is not installed in Xubuntu
[20:39] <Mandrew> hiya


[16:08] <jamie_1> hey for some odd reason one of my shell extensions stopped working after an update awhile back and im trying to get it running but the only info its giving me is "error loading extension"
[16:09] <jamie_1> is there any log files hidden anywhere i dont know about that i can get more info from to fix it
[16:56] <wludi> Hi, I have question ?. Which version of ubuntu gnome (16.04 or 17.04)I should choice when I have a laptop with 4K screen?
[17:02] <jamie_1> wludi: both will support your screen, its more of a question of do you want the lts version or not
[17:05] <wludi> jamie_1, but which version has better optimatization for it ? I've installed 17.04 a couple months ago but I had a trobule with some software scalling
[17:05] <wludi> (like qt, chrome ,etc.)
[17:06] <jamie_1> thats because the 17.04 version is less stable that 16.04. 17.04 is a extended release but not a lts so a lot of it is more of the latest things
[17:06] <jamie_1> 16.04 only gets the very stable updates and patches
[17:08] <jamie_1> also wludi chromium is not on part of gnome... chromium has always had issues with scaling, have you tried firefox?
[17:11] <wludi> jamie_1 no I didn't tried a firefox, cause I lost a lot  of bookmarks in Firefox. I will try a 16.04 version It will take me some time to install
[17:11] <wludi> I will be in around 2h
[17:11] <jamie_1> wludi: firefox has gotten a large face lift and a lot of backend updates in the last several months
[17:12] <jamie_1> you will see major ui updates landing in the next few months and the bookmarks issues has actually been dealt with. the bug was actually closed as fixed as of a week or two ago
[17:13] <jamie_1> wludi: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=143619 is the issue with scaling of chromium on linux
[17:13] <wludi> #jamie_1 ok, thanks a  lot I will check it :)
[17:13] <jamie_1> wludi: if you want to see whats to come with the ui (photon ui) download the nightly and have some fun
[17:13] <jamie_1> i dont know when were landing photon
[17:13] <wludi> #jamie_1 ok
[17:18] <wludi> jamie_1: thanks a lot for u help I will log in after intallation process :)


[04:17] <Tecan> hihi
[04:17] <Tecan> anyone here using speechcontrol ?
[22:22] <jalcine> Tecan: I'm the one who maintains the SpeechControl project, what's up?


[03:43] <SimonAnibal> Hey, is there a problem with the Edubuntu installer CD?
[03:43] <SimonAnibal> Feisty, that is
[03:43] <SimonAnibal> For some reason it keep dying on me halfway through the install process
[03:43] <SimonAnibal> :-(
[03:44] <SimonAnibal> It keeps dying on me during the "Select and install software" phase
[03:44] <bimberi> SimonAnibal: It could be a bad CD, a bad burn or a bad ISO that it was burnt from
[03:44] <bimberi> !verify
[03:44] <ubotu> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[03:45] <SimonAnibal> It's a shipit CD is why I'm skeptical, but I'll run the MD5 test
[03:46] <SimonAnibal> I could install the standard Ubuntu on this same machine, so I don't think it's a hardware issue (like a faulty CD drive or something)
[03:47] <bimberi> hmmk, i haven't tried one of my shipit CDs yet.  Bad CDs/batches have been known.  I think there's a verify CD option in the boot menu too
[03:47] <SimonAnibal> bimberi, 40% as I hit enter
[03:51] <SimonAnibal> Hmmm, the CD-ROM integrity test was successful. The CD-ROM is valid.
[03:51] <SimonAnibal> Maybe I should try again without a network cable plugged in...
[03:52] <SimonAnibal> though that shouldn't matter
[03:52] <SimonAnibal> I'm trying to build an Edubuntu stand-alone workstation box for a couple of my nieces
[03:52] <SimonAnibal> Maybe I should just re-install vanilla Ubuntu and "aptitude install edubuntu-desktop"
[03:53] <SimonAnibal> It's weird that the Ubiquity installer would succeed where the ncurse based Debian Installer chokes
[03:54] <SimonAnibal> bimberi, thanks for being a sounding board
[03:57] <bimberi> SimonAnibal: sorry, i was a bit of an absent one, i had to step away for a bit :)
[03:58] <bimberi> vanilla ubuntu + edubuntu-desktop would be fine.  I'm not sure if it switches to the Edubuntu artwork though
[03:59] <SimonAnibal> I'm giving the ncurses installer one more chance without being plugged into the network
[03:59] <SimonAnibal> I'm wondering if it got hung up trying to connect to the Ubuntu serves
[03:59] <SimonAnibal> though why, god only knows
[04:00] <SimonAnibal> or, more precisely, why is one thing I haven't tried to answer
[04:02] <bimberi> i think if it gets an internet connection it will grap updated packages during the install
[04:03] <SimonAnibal> We'll see if it matters, it's about to mess up or not...
[04:03] <bimberi> *grab
[04:03] <bimberi> k
[04:04] <SimonAnibal> well, if it is about to mess up, it's going to be messing up later in the process than it did WITH a network connection
[04:07] <SimonAnibal> Hmmm, well, it seems stuck at 6% saying "Please wait...", I think I'll be optimistic and believe it's the same issue that plagues the Ubuntu Server install and just give it some time to work through whatever it needs to work through
[04:08] <SimonAnibal> ACK! *Insert Shocking Expletive Here*
[04:09] <bimberi> !ohmy
[04:09] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:09] <bimberi> just kidding :P
[04:09] <SimonAnibal> An installation step failed. You can try to run the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and choose something else. The failing step is: Select and install software
[04:09] <bimberi> :/
[04:10] <SimonAnibal> Well, hmmm, this time it's letting me go ahead and install GRUB to the MBR, maybe I have a "working enough" system...
[04:11] <SimonAnibal> Though I must say: If I weren't well versed in Ubuntu. I would have given up hours ago
[04:11] <bimberi> well yes, if it boots ok and you can get it on the 'net then you can finish the install by installing edubuntu-desktop
[04:12] <bimberi> SimonAnibal: indeed, what you're experiencing is definitely not desirable
[04:12] <SimonAnibal> yeah, I seem to have a CLI only install, I'll plug myself into the net and sudo aptitude install edubuntu-desktop and see if that helps
[04:13] <bimberi> kk, you might have to disable the CD repository and enable the internet ones
[04:15] <SimonAnibal> yeah...I had to manually dhclient
[04:15] <SimonAnibal> but, umm, I have no nano to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:16] <bronze> SimonAnibal: you probably still have vi.
[04:16] <bronze> also ed, and ex, and sed.
[04:16] <SimonAnibal> You're right
[04:17] <SimonAnibal> I was fixin' to echo "line" >> /etc/apt/source.list *lol*
[04:17] <bronze> that works fine too. :-)
[04:17] <bronze> thats classic *NIX shell work.
[04:18] <SimonAnibal> Is my geek showing?
[04:18] <bimberi> vi ?
[04:19] <SimonAnibal> is it deb http://archive.us.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty universe ??
[04:19] <bronze> bimberi: vi is the screen editor for *NIX/Linux.  (also emacs but we wont mention that)
[04:20] <bimberi> thanks bronze, it was actually a shortcut question as to whether SimonAnibal could use vi in the absense of nano
[04:20] <bimberi> SimonAnibal: no
[04:20] <bronze> heh
[04:20] <bronze> sry. :)
[04:21] <bimberi> SimonAnibal: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty main restricted
[04:21] <bimberi> bronze: np :)
[04:21] <SimonAnibal> bimberi, I've been school in some white-belt vi (that is, hit i to type, hit Esc+:+qw to save and get back to cli)
[04:21] <bimberi> cool
[04:22] <bimberi> just think - if the CD was good you would never have needed to learn that :)
[04:23] <bimberi> s/needed to learn/learnt/
[04:23] <bimberi> (much more positive)
[04:23] <SimonAnibal> *lol* I had to learn that to work on Ubuntu Servers at the school I work at
[04:23] <SimonAnibal> It just turned out to be quite useful here as well
[04:23] <bimberi> ah, kk :)
[04:24] <SimonAnibal> though, honestly, I'd probably been more skilled with echos and append pipes
[04:24] <SimonAnibal> goodnight
[04:24] <bimberi> nn
[08:04] <harriet> I've been playing with my new install of edubuntu and the Applications/Education packages seem to have drifted off into hyperspace.  Could anyone tell me how I can replace them?
[08:05] <bimberi> harriet: install the package "edubuntu-desktop"
[08:06] <LaserJock> harriet: is that a 7.04 install?
[08:13] <harriet> Yes, it's the 7.04
[08:13] <LaserJock> you'll want to get the Server Addon CD
[08:14] <bimberi> harriet: was it the LiveCD?
[08:14] <bimberi> s/was/is/
[08:14] <LaserJock> hmm
[08:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113719 in ubiquity "Edubuntu Feisty Desktop CD install doesn't install the education suite" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113719
[08:15] <LaserJock> could be
[08:15] <harriet> Synaptic tells me (with a green splodge) that I already have the edubuntu-desktop installed!!
[08:15] <LaserJock> you probably do
[08:15] <harriet> No, not a live CD.  I did the install to the HDD
[08:16] <LaserJock> from the Desktop CD or Server CD?
[08:16] <harriet> Installed from the live CD Desktop
[08:16] <LaserJock> ok, then it probably is bug 113719
[08:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113719 in ubiquity "Edubuntu Feisty Desktop CD install doesn't install the education suite" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113719
[08:18] <harriet> the link describes the bug but doesn't seem to offer a workaround.
[08:18] <LaserJock> well, using the Server Addon CD should work
[08:18] <harriet> OK.  I'll burn the server CD but what do I do with that?
[08:19] <LaserJock> just burn the Server Addon CD
[08:19] <LaserJock> then put it in and dialog should pop up
[08:19] <LaserJock> * a dialog
[08:20] <harriet> OK I'll give it a go.  Thanks V much.
[08:20] <harriet> Before I do that though, is there any point in telling Synaptic to remove and then re-install the package?
[08:20] <LaserJock> you could also install the individual apps via net
[08:21] <LaserJock> no, edubuntu-desktop no long depends on those packages I don't think
[08:21] <LaserJock> well, actually let me check
[08:21] <harriet> Longins list of incividual apps, and I can't remember what they were/are.  Looking for the simple/dirty way to get it working.
[08:23] <LaserJock> nope, edubuntu-desktop doesn't depend on edu stuff
[08:24] <LaserJock> do you know what you want to install?
[08:25] <harriet> Just the grab-bag that was showing with the live CD
[08:25] <LaserJock> hmm, unfortunately that's not straightfoward right now :/
[08:26] <LaserJock> the addon cd is about as good as I can think of right now
[08:26] <LaserJock> but it still requires a bit of choosing
[08:35] <bimberi> I've been browsing packages.ubuntu.com and yes, edubuntu-desktop no longer depends on those packages
[08:36] <bimberi> harriet: my apologies for that bad advice
[08:37] <bimberi> perhaps an "edubuntu-live" metapackage should be controlling what ubiquity installs
[08:38] <LaserJock> well, it's a bit complicated
[08:39] <bimberi> fair enough
[08:40] <LaserJock> but perhaps something like that might be the answer though
[08:40] <LaserJock> more likely would be removing ubiquity from the Desktop CD ;-)
[08:40] <bimberi> lol
[08:41] <LaserJock> well, we did discuss it
[08:42] <LaserJock> the livecd is getting more and more different from the server cd
[08:46] <bimberi> erk, time to go.  bye for now
[08:47] <LaserJock> cy
[08:47] <harriet> One thought.  Is it likely that the packages are on the computer but not showing in the Applications/Education menu?  How would I check this?
[08:47] <LaserJock> it's quite unlikely
[08:47] <LaserJock> but if you right click on "Applications" you can edit the menu
[08:49] <harriet> Thanks.  I don't want to do that 'by hand'.
[08:49] <LaserJock> but it's a known issue with the LiveCD
[08:50] <LaserJock> so I'm pretty sure you're just missing the apps
[08:58] <harriet> Using Applications/Add-remove I have been able to put some of them back and that will be OK until I get round to burning the server CD.
[08:58] <harriet> Thanks heaps for pointing me in a good ditection.
[08:59] <LaserJock> no problem
[08:59] <harriet> TTFN
[08:59] <LaserJock> sorry about that
[08:59] <LaserJock> we weren't able to fix it before release
[09:00] <harriet> While I'm on here, any idea of whether Beryl could be integrated in a (soon) future release of edubuntu?
[09:04] <LaserJock> it's already available in 7.04
[09:05] <harriet> Do I just type beryl-manager?
[09:05] <LaserJock> well, there is a new Desktop Effects gui
[09:06] <LaserJock> in System->Preferences
[09:06] <LaserJock> I *think* that turns on compiz
[09:06] <LaserJock> but I'm pretty sure beryl is available as well
[09:09] <harriet> Thanks again, LaserJock.  Catch you again soon...
[09:13] <RichEd> greetz
[09:14] <LaserJock> ah RichEd
[09:15] <RichEd> hello LaserJock
[09:15] <RichEd> LaserJock: can you give me a short update on the dynamic menu status ... is there any chance we can get it into gutsy ?
[09:17] <LaserJock> RichEd: yes, I think it's certainly possible
[09:18] <LaserJock> I was sort of waiting on some of the network-auth stuff
[09:18] <LaserJock> as it's related to user management, IMO
[09:18] <RichEd> LaserJock: so who do I need to poke with a sharp stick to get things moving to help you get things done
[09:18] <LaserJock> RichEd: I just sent an email to edubuntu-devel
[09:19] <RichEd> LaserJock: okie ... let me know if i can help
[09:20] <RichEd> The way I see it is that the next 6 months will see a huge amount of serious interest in Ubuntu and Edubuntu for wider scale education deployment ... and that we need to have a plan for a complete solution. I see the menus as being part of that requirement.
[09:21] <RichEd> So if I can help in any way, give me a direct nudge please.
[09:22] <LaserJock> well, some of it's me getting projects pruned
[09:22] <LaserJock> so I can focus my time on Edubuntu
[09:22] <LaserJock> because it's really pretty close
[09:23] <LaserJock> I essentially just need a GUI to pull the pieces together
[11:37] <RichEd> hi t94xr ... played with any FLOSS from the catalogue yet ?
[11:51] <zzsputnik> hello!when i run DVB-T with Kaffeine it stalls really bad and there is no sound. what can do?
[12:22] <faf_dk> hi.. I'm trying to make a edubuntu install usb, anyone have a link to a tutorial? plz
[12:22] <faf_dk> I had followed this: http://www.edoceo.com/liber/ubuntu-live-usb.php - but it's outdated
[12:22] <faf_dk> no casper or disctree
[12:23] <faf_dk> Would like to use extlinux if possible
[01:07] <faf_dk> ok.. i'm gonna build a portable pxe install server on my labtop...
[01:42] <willvdl> moquist, eeek, I'm an apostrophe fiend! :)
[01:44] <moquist> willvdl: heh :)
[01:45] <moquist> ogra: does the 'gtk' greeter fall under the overall 'ldm' project?
[01:45] <willvdl> I wanted to join the apostrophe protection agency a while back. can't seem to find the url at the mo...
[01:46] <moquist> willvdl: I totally know what you 'mean'.
[01:46] <moquist> Oh, in pairs they're not apostrophes anymore, are they. Hmm. My abuse attempt has failed.
[01:46] <willvdl> m'oquist: yeah
[01:46] <moquist> willvdl wins
[01:47] <moquist> Though if that's in reference to jammcq's contention that I'm Irish, it should be "mo'quist".
[01:48] <moquist> willvdl: I don't really have any substantial comments about the spec ATM, but I'm thrilled it's being pursued.
[01:48] <moquist> Just FYI.
[01:50] <willvdl> well, it's a mondo important one
[01:52] <moquist> ogra: I'd be happy to do some testing of your C ldm implementation if it's ready for testing.
[02:03] <savetheWorld> Encourage everyone to conserve apostrophes.  Use them only where theyre needed.  Example - contractions work perfectly well without 'em
[02:03] <savetheWorld> (member of the apostrophe conservation league)
[02:12] <willvdl> http://www.apostrophe.fsnet.co.uk/
[02:14] <happywithed> hello everyone
[02:16] <happywithed> I finally got my edubuntu classroom up and running, but would like some help with other configuration stuff
[02:17] <happywithed> For instance, is it possible to take the NFS out of the Edubuntu server and share it with other non-linux machines?
[02:18] <savetheWorld> happywithed: You mean share files with other machines by using NFS?
[02:18] <happywithed> Yes, any ideas how to do that?
[02:19] <savetheWorld> happywithed: what kinds of machines are those other machines? Windows perhaps?......... :-)
[02:19] <happywithed> I have 6 other machines running on the same internet connection,  1 mac, 2 vistas, 2 xps and 1 win2000
[02:20] <savetheWorld> and?
[02:20] <happywithed> right now I forked the internet connection through a router, with one cable going to my edubuntu server and the other going to a router serving the other machines
[02:21] <savetheWorld> thats one router too many.
[02:21] <happywithed> I was hoping you would say that!
[02:21] <savetheWorld> Internet-->router-->LAN(hub or switch)--[many machines]
[02:22] <savetheWorld> but what has that to do with sharing files via NGFS?>
[02:22] <savetheWorld> *NFS
[02:22] <happywithed> I take that back. Actually it is more like:
[02:22] <happywithed> --internet-switch-(edubuntu router)
[02:23] <happywithed> the edubuntu connects to the thin clients and the router to the other 6 machines
[02:24] <savetheWorld> happywithed: I assume there is a hub or switrch between the edubuntu machine and the 6 other machines?
[02:24] <happywithed> so, from the internet to the switch, from the switch it forks to the router and the edubuntu server
[02:24] <happywithed> no, right now they are not connected, because the edubuntu server does not give ip addresses to the other machines when connected
[02:24] <happywithed> it only serves the thin clients
[02:25] <savetheWorld> happywithed: somehow that makes no sense.  How many NICS are in your edubuntu router/server
[02:25] <happywithed> I tried it and had to place the other 6 machines on a separate router for that reason
[02:25] <happywithed> the edubuntu server has 2 nics
[02:26] <happywithed> I'll draw a diagram in the pastebin, wait
[02:35] <happywithed> Here is the diagram http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21271/
[02:35] <happywithed> I was wrong.  I looked at the wrong notes before, so I went to the right diagram this time
[02:37] <happywithed> What I would like to do is to have a single location to save the files for the students.  The issue is really twofold.
[02:38] <savetheWorld> what kind  of device is the thing labeled "Router"
[02:38] <happywithed> I would like the students to have a single log in account.  Right now they have 7, one for the thin clients and one each for the other 6 machines.
[02:38] <happywithed> The router is a Lynksys Broadband router with wireless access.
[02:39] <happywithed> The other issue is to have have a single location for the files.  Right now they have a home directory in the edubuntu server and a home directory in each of the other 6 machines.
[02:39] <happywithed> Thus my mention of the NFS
[02:40] <savetheWorld> that arrangement is forcing all your traffic between the thin clients and the 6 "other" to go through the edubuntu server., possibly that may cause issues.  I would rather see the 6 "other" on the same switch as the the thin clients if you are going to do file sharing between them.
[02:40] <savetheWorld> The DHCP issue is definitely resolvable.
[02:41] <savetheWorld> single login should be done by using LDAP for authorization across all the system, served by the edudbuntu server.
[02:41] <happywithed> Yes, I would also like to have the same switch, but when I did that I lost the internet connection for the 6 other machines
[02:41] <savetheWorld> also resovable.
[02:41] <savetheWorld> *resolvable
[02:42] <happywithed> OK, where do I start?
[02:42] <savetheWorld> and as for file sharing taht can be done via either NFS or SAMBA(CIFS)
[02:42] <happywithed> Question.
[02:43] <happywithed> Aren't the edubuntu server and the 6 other machines on separate networks?
[02:43] <savetheWorld> Well, I have to run, but in #ltsp are many experts who can help you, and by shhowing them your diagram you will earn some instant respect from them becauee you are providing good information up front
[02:43] <savetheWorld> no - they are on seperate network segments
[02:43] <savetheWorld> also - they don't have to be.
[02:43] <savetheWorld> they can be on the same segment
[02:43] <happywithed> Since the edubuntu server has its own dhcp and so does the router, I thought they would be on separate networks
[02:44] <savetheWorld> "seperate sub-nets" would be the correct term
[02:44] <happywithed> Yes, I would like them to be on the same network and segment
[02:44] <savetheWorld> still just one network.
[02:44] <happywithed> *subnets
[02:44] <SimonAnibal> happywithed, the edubuntu server can be a dhcp client on one network interface and dhcp server on the other
[02:44] <savetheWorld> SimonAnibal: that is the current situation.
[02:45] <happywithed> yes that's right
[02:45] <SimonAnibal> ah, well, then the edubuntu server is on two networks, and the windows boxes and the thin clients are on different networks
[02:45] <happywithed> subnets, you mean?
[02:45] <SimonAnibal> *shrug* :-) I don't know the vocab
[02:46] <savetheWorld> happywithed: The LTSP folks can advise on the LDAP stuff and setting up the edubuntu server to do DHCP for the "other" and etc..
[02:46] <savetheWorld> I have to go.
[02:46] <savetheWorld>  BBL
[02:46] <SimonAnibal> Later!
[02:46] <happywithed> is there a LTSP channel?
[02:46] <SimonAnibal> happywithed, did you used to be frustratedwithed?
[02:46] <happywithed> yes
[02:46] <SimonAnibal> yeah, #ltsp
[02:47] <SimonAnibal> happywithed, heheh, well, I'm happy to see your nick change in that way
[02:47] <happywithed> ok, thanks I'll try there, then
[02:47] <happywithed> Yes, me too.  I was really frustrated, but now things are working so I am very happy ;-)
[02:53] <SimonAnibal> mount
[03:21] <mcsd> do all linux distros reference the same kernel?
[03:23] <moquist> mcsd: there is one kernel, compiled with many differing sets of patches and modules.
[03:23] <moquist> mcsd: So th answer is "yes and no".
[03:49] <mcsd> is there a web page that describes all possible boot options...I haven't come across one yet
[03:49] <mcsd> or at least I do not know how to phrase it
[03:56] <willvdl> have you checked through the help.u.c wiki?
[03:56] <moquist> mcsd: I don't think you're going to find a single source with all the info you're looking for. It would help if you could describe which options you're interested in; i.e., what are you trying to do?
[04:06] <mcsd> well my immediate problem is that my SATA drive on a Optiplex 320 does not detect unless I use 'pci=nomsi' it seems to plague a lot of Dells
[04:09] <mcsd> I found that option as a suggestion...it works but I would like to learn all the options if possible
[05:05] <SimonAnibal> So, is the Edubuntu CD that comes through shipit a SERVER CD?
[05:06] <SimonAnibal> That wouldn't explain the weird problems I had last night that ended up with a base command-line only install from which I had to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and sudo aptitude install edubuntu-desktop
[05:44] <nealmcb> A colleague of mine just started the page https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Lessons  to support his presentation to https://wiki.edubuntu.org/TIEColorado   Any input would be MOST welcome!
[06:04] <RichEd> nealmcb: tellhim to look at: http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/
[06:19] <happywithed> hello
[06:20] <happywithed> Anyone had any experience with using edubuntu to authenticate users through an external ldap server?
[06:20] <happywithed> I would like to setup an ldap server at my school so that not only the edubuntu thin clients, but also other machines can authenticate to a single ldap server
[06:21] <happywithed> Has anyone attempted this?  Are there any docs?
[06:23] <happywithed> I found the answer to my question above here: http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/
[06:24] <happywithed> It seems that moquist did this.  I bow to moquist!!!
[06:30] <nealmcb> RichEd: thanks - I'll check it out
[06:36] <nealmcb> RichEd: on the https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Lessons site, Jim is looking for lessons tailored to free software, as a way to pitch edubuntu to the K-12 conference he is speaking at.   The OU looks like more generic lessons for a university audience.
[06:38] <nealmcb> So again, if anyone knows of lesson plans for teachers that leverage and show off free software that ships with edubuntu, please let https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JimHutchinson know
[06:39] <nealmcb> I pointed the various edubuntu mailing lists out to him - hopefully he's asked there also
[06:48] <cbx33> ping ogra
[07:22] <moquist> happywithed: yep, the smbldap-installer is my fault.
[07:22] <moquist> happywithed: How is your network doing now?
[07:22] <happywithed> hi moquist
[07:23] <happywithed> It is going great!!!
[07:23] <moquist> happywithed: And yes, I administer two school networks (120 & 2000 users, respectively) where we run Samba backed by OpenLDAP. It's not the best solution, but it's hardly the worst.
[07:23] <moquist> happywithed: Great! I'm glad to hear that.
[07:23] <happywithed> I am now able to connect all my wintels and mactels to my ltsp thin clients, an hp color printer and a legacy ricoh laser printer
[07:24] <happywithed> It is looking good,
[07:24] <moquist> happywithed: I continue to harbor aspirations of packaging the smbldap-configure part of the smbldap-installer for Ubuntu.
[07:24] <Burgundavia> moquist: do you run pure Linux?
[07:24] <moquist> happywithed: Are you running Edubntu Feisty?
[07:25] <happywithed> I was just reading about it in your wiki and also the Samba3 by example book you recommended
[07:25] <happywithed> yes, it is feisty
[07:25] <moquist> Burgundavia: We have ~400 TCs, 2 Edubuntu servers, and ~320 Windows XP clients.
[07:25] <Burgundavia> ahh
[07:25] <moquist> happywithed: Samba3 by example is great.
[07:26] <moquist> happywithed: I haven't personally tested the smbldap-installer on Feisty, but a couple people independently sent me the same patch, so I applied it and re-released. I hope it works for you (if you choose to use it). :-p
[07:26] <happywithed> I am now conspiring, oops, planning to configure a dedicated ldap server for all my boxes to authenticate from
[07:27] <happywithed> I would love to try, but I am still edubuntating, oops, educating myself
[07:27] <Burgundavia> if you only have linux machines, openldap works great
[07:27] <moquist> happywithed: I should warn you that samba has recently incorporated better ldapsam support directly into their project, rendering the smbldap-tools project (which the smbldap-installer installs and configures) obsolete. I'm not yet sure what impact, if any, upgrading to the improved samba and ceasing use of the smbldap-tools will have.
[07:28] <moquist> This is all on my list of things to get to and figure out Real Soon(TM).
[07:28] <happywithed> I short, do you think it is possible to have a dedicated ldap server for all the thin clients and xtels boxes to authenticate from?
[07:28] <happywithed> With either the new samba or your script?
[07:29] <moquist> happywithed: In each of those two schools I mentioned, we have one authentication server running Ubuntu Dapper, and using the smbldap-tools to administer samba with an OpenLDAP backend. So yes, it is possible.
[07:30] <moquist> happywithed: And the newer ldapsam support in samba does the same thing (AFAIU), just without the separate set of tools.
[07:30] <happywithed> great!
[07:30] <happywithed> I'll read some more and try it.
[07:30] <moquist> happywithed: If you have to do this right now, I would recommend the smbldap-installer as being the easiest road forward.
[07:30] <happywithed> Your previous help was really good and got me right to where I wanted to be, so you have gained my respect
[07:30] <moquist> If you're just doing this to learn, then that's probably the way to go (with "Samba3 By Example" close at hand).
[07:31] <moquist> happywithed: Heh; glad to hear it. You've gotten your network working, so you have mine. :)
[07:31] <happywithed> I think I'll go that way for now
[07:31] <moquist> I've got to run and take care of some other business now, so cheerio and good luck!
[07:32] <happywithed> Thanks, once more
[07:32] <moquist> np
[07:32] <LaserJock> morning all
[07:32] <moquist> LaserJock: is your nick a reference to your academic work?
[07:32] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:32] <moquist> cool
[07:32] <LaserJock> there is a laser company that has these cool Laser Jock stickers
[07:33] <LaserJock> there was one on one of the first machines I used in the lab
[07:35] <Burgundavia> hey LaserJock
[07:37] <moquist> LaserJock: as soon as I'm done catching up after getting back home, I'm planning to get back to moodle 1.8 packaging. So expect me to bug you soon, and feel free to bug me if I don't. :)
[07:37] <LaserJock> hola Burgundavia
[07:37] <LaserJock> moquist: excellent
[07:37] <LaserJock> cbx33: pingy pingy
[07:43] <highvoltage> 'ola LaserJock
[07:43] <LaserJock> highvoltage!
[07:45] <mcsd> can someone help me to edit grub boot?
[07:45] <mcsd> first line is "root  (hd0,0)
[07:45] <highvoltage> mcsd: what do you need to do?
[07:45] <mcsd> http://www.webservertalk.com/archive291-2007-3-1764782.html
[07:46] <mcsd> can you look at the last entry in that forum
[07:46] <mcsd> apparently dell's are plagued with SATA controller problems
[07:47] <mcsd> in case you don't want to link to that page I will list the steps ...they are short
[07:47] <mcsd> 1) Doing installl of debian
[07:47] <mcsd> 2) After reboot in the grub menu type e key to edit grub command
[07:47] <mcsd> line for kernel , replace sdb by sda
[07:47] <mcsd> then type b for booting
[07:47] <cbx33> pongypongy
[07:47] <highvoltage> openin now, although I'm on grps so my connection is slow...
[07:47] <mcsd> 3) log as root then edit :
[07:47] <mcsd> /etc/fstab remplace all sdb by sda
[07:48] <mcsd> 4) mount /dev/sda1 /boot (ord other partion if your /boot is not on
[07:48] <mcsd> sda1)
[07:48] <mcsd> edit file /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:48] <mcsd> remplace sdb by sda in the 2 path of vmlinuz
[07:48] <mcsd> 5) reboot
[07:48] <mcsd> All working
[07:48] <mcsd> there you can read it in channel now it should make it easier for you
[07:49] <highvoltage> hmmm... I'm not sure how ubuntu's UUID's in ubuntu's fstab will affect that
[07:51] <mcsd> well currently after a fresh install I hang with just a blinking cursor after the grub 3 second menu timeout
[07:52] <mcsd> I have been working on this for almost a week and Dell is absolutley no help even though they sell this PC as an "open source" model
[07:53] <highvoltage> mcsd: ouch
[07:54] <mcsd> yeah and John A. Hull
[07:54] <mcsd> Manager, Linux OS Development
[07:54] <mcsd> Dell Inc.
[07:54] <mcsd> knows about the problem
[07:54] <mcsd> http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-desktops/2007-January/000148.html
[07:55] <mcsd> and said the fix would be implemented into 2.6.20 but that is the kernel that fiesty 7.04 uses and it still doesn't work
[07:57] <mcsd> so the first line when editing the boot is "root (hd0,0)" should I be changing that to "root (sda,0)" per the instructions?
[07:59] <sbalneav> mcsd: Best bet would be to edit your menu for grub
[08:00] <mcsd> isn't that what I am doing?
[08:00] <sbalneav> ah, sorry, just popped back.
[08:00] <sbalneav> You'll want your kernel line to look like:
[08:00] <mcsd> I press ESC when grub starts and bring up the recovery and standard boot option then I press E
[08:01] <sbalneav> kernel /boot/vmlinuz... root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash
[08:01] <mcsd> ahhh right now it is set to UUID
[08:01] <sbalneav> Theoretically that should work, however some bios' screw it up.
[08:02] <sbalneav> it's a sata drive?
[08:02] <mcsd> so I should leave the first line as "root (hd0,0)"
[08:02] <sbalneav> yeah
[08:02] <sbalneav> now, you're not booted yet, right?
[08:02] <mcsd> and just change the second line for kernel
[08:02] <mcsd> no
[08:02] <mcsd> I am at the grub menu
[08:02] <sbalneav> ok, then this will be temporary, we'll need to edit the file to fix it permanently after this.
[08:03] <mcsd> ok
[08:03] <mcsd> yeah the instructions make mention of changing fstab
[08:03] <sbalneav> once you get booted, the rest is easy-peasy.
[08:04] <sbalneav> probably won't even need to change fstab.  Once the Linux kernel gets loaded, the UUID designator should work fine.
[08:05] <mcsd> hmmm I deleted the UUID string and replaced with root=/dev/sda1
[08:05] <sbalneav> mcsd: That working for you?
[08:06] <mcsd> but it still hangs blinking cursor black screen
[08:06] <sbalneav> What kind of hard drive is it? Sata?
[08:06] <mcsd> yep
[08:06] <sbalneav> ok, so the sda should be fine then.
[08:07] <mcsd> it is a problem with the ATI sb6000 chipset
[08:07] <sbalneav> hmm
[08:07] <sbalneav> shouldn't be,
[08:07] <sbalneav> workping, be back in about 15 minutes.
[08:07] <mcsd> no still cursor
[08:07] <mcsd> ok
[08:43] <mcsd> sbalneav: when you get back can you please let me know
[09:24] <tristan_> edubuntu is working fine here :)
[09:25] <tristan_> (:
[09:25] <tristan_> but it gave an error though
[09:25] <tristan_> during the installation
[09:25] <tristan_> and it didn't at my normal user
[09:25] <tristan_> and my wireless crap isn't working properly
[09:25] <tristan_> :)
[09:25] <tristan_> I suck
[09:45] <imathrillseeker> hi - i'm after a small word of advice, if I may
[09:46] <imathrillseeker> I've installed ubuntu (dapper) previously on a PIII 800 toshiba laptop.  However, to install it I had to use the "alternate" CD.
[09:47] <imathrillseeker> I tried to install Edubuntu last night and had the same problems as I had with the main ubuntu CDs, so I guess I need an "alternate" CD version of edubuntu - does it exist?
[09:47] <imathrillseeker> Thanks if anyone can help!
[09:54] <LaserJock> imathrillseeker: the Edubuntu Server CD is an alt cd
[09:55] <LaserJock> and the preferred method of installing Edubuntu
[11:21] <humbolto> Is pulseaudio going to replace esd totally in gusty? Gnome project does make the switch, doesn't it? Or already has.


[00:50] <Madars> are there major transitions planned for focal? e.g. if I did a netboot install now, should one anticipate major component changes (e.g. s/X/Wayland/) before the release? (I am somewhat experienced so general development release "if it breaks you get to keep the pieces" for minor breakage is totally fine)
[00:50] <Madars> I looked at the ReleaseSchedule and FeatureFreeze/DebianImportFreeze is Feb 27 so is it too soon to ask?
[00:56] <tomreyn> Madars: probably a bit too early, maybe there is already a releasenotes draft, but probably not yet at this time. wayland won't become default, yet.


[12:28] <ogra> juergh, yo ho ... i have a pi3 here that is physically hard to reach, runs UC16 and i'm having a hard time getting bluetooth to work (i'D just re-install UC18 if i could, but would liek to avoid it) ...
[12:28] <ogra> juergh, seems the pi2-kernel snap is missing the required firmware:
[12:28] <ogra> Sep 18 14:22:43 stream kernel: Bluetooth: hci0: BCM (001.002.009) build 0000
[12:28] <ogra> Sep 18 14:22:43 stream kernel: bluetooth hci0: Direct firmware load for brcm/BCM.hcd failed with error -2
[12:28] <ogra> Sep 18 14:22:43 stream kernel: Bluetooth: hci0: BCM: Patch brcm/BCM.hcd not found
[12:28] <ogra> ogra@stream:~$ ls /lib/firmware/brcm/*.hcd
[12:28] <ogra> ls: cannot access '/lib/firmware/brcm/*.hcd': No such file or directory
[12:29] <ogra> do you think we could add it ??
[12:31] <ogra> ogra@stream:~$ snap list|grep kernel
[12:31] <ogra> pi2-kernel     4.4.0-1139.148    117   latest/edge    canonical*  kernel
[12:31] <ogra> (stable misses it too, i only just updated to edge now)
[13:27] <juergh> hey. we don't seem to be providing any BT firmware in xenial.
[13:31] <ogra> yes, thats what i see here ...
[13:31] <ogra> we should though 🙂
[13:44] <juergh> and I presume you want that in bionic as well?
[13:46] <ogra> UC18 has it ... works fine there
[13:46] <ogra> oh, wait ... well, i personally dont care about classic bionic ...
[13:47] <ogra> not sure if we have many pi users there
[13:47] <ogra> but for UC16 it should work as it does in the other UCs
[15:14] <jeremy31> ogra: broadcom didn't license that bluetooth firmware for distribution
[15:15] <ogra> jeremy31, and thats the reason why it isnt in 16.04 but in all later releases ?
[15:15] <ogra> 🙂
[15:16] <jeremy31> I haven't seen it in any Ubuntu version, I always just got it from a github site
[15:17] <ogra> it is in 18.04 and 20.04 ... (and the respective UbuntuCore releases ...) but not in UC16
[15:19] <ogra> juergh, so i decided to find a ladder, climb on the roof of our house and replace the UC16 with UC18 on that pi3 ... it is working fine now, so unless someone else complains, just keep it as-is
[15:19] <jeremy31> I think Jesse Sung made the hex2hcd program that converted the windows firmware to hcd files. I have to get back to work
[15:22] <ogra> (it wasnt my plan to spend a full vacation day for simply attaching a BLE temp/humidity sensor to an existing Pi (and to do climbing sports !!!!), but well ... )
[17:38] <wenchien> ogra: yes, it's a license issue  :P
[17:40] <wenchien> ogra: i can only find one hcd file (/lib/firmware/brcm/BCM-0bb4-0306.hcd) in focal
[17:40] <ogra> well, i see it in UC18 (bionic based)
[17:41] <ogra> ogra@acheron:~$ ssh <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:41] <ogra> Welcome to Ubuntu Core 18 (GNU/Linux 5.3.0-1033-raspi2 armv7l)
[17:41] <ogra> Last login: Fri Sep 18 12:25:11 2020 from <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:41] <ogra> ogra@localhost:~$ ls /lib/firmware/brcm/*.hcd
[17:41] <ogra> /lib/firmware/brcm/BCM43430A1.hcd  /lib/firmware/brcm/BCM4345C0.hcd
[17:41] <ogra> ...
[17:42] <ogra> and BLE works perfectly fine there (i run a lot of BLE beacon sensors around the house here, all of them attached to various Pi's running UC18 and node-red)
[17:43] <wenchien> are they from linux-firmware-raspi2 ?
[17:43] <ogra> i think so, yeah
[17:43] <waveform> yes, those files come from linux-firmware-raspi2
[17:58] <wenchien> i thought the source of linux-firmware-raspi2 is from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[17:58] <wenchien> but can't find the hcd files there
[17:59] <wenchien> i'm curious about their license :)
[18:10] <waveform> wenchien, the source of linux-firmware-raspi2 is several things (which ought to be in separate packages, but time constraints blah blah); anyway, the bluetooth bits are from https://github.com/RPi-Distro/bluez-firmware and yes the licensing is ... "messy"