[01:55] <Stupendoussteve> Hmm, having issues getting pycg to build on the buildd. I know what the problem is but don't know how to fix it
[01:56] <Stupendoussteve> It depends on nvidia-cg-toolkit, that package pulls in Cg-2.1_February2009_x86.tgz from the nvidia site during the setup stage, only this fails on the buildd
[01:57] <Stupendoussteve> Oddly the build continues, until the package simply fails to compile due to the missing dependency
[01:57] <TheMuso> Stupendoussteve: Do you mean that an attempt is made to download a file from the nvidia site?
[01:57] <Stupendoussteve> Yes
[01:58] <TheMuso> Stupendoussteve: If so, the buildds prevent network access, which means you need to either install another package that has that file, or put the file in questino inside the package you want built.
[02:00] <Stupendoussteve> That's odd, as the previous version built fine and none of that was changed
[02:05] <Stupendoussteve> Scratch that, it has apparently failed to build each time
[02:05] <Stupendoussteve> In that case I'll contact the debian upstream and see if something can be modified
[03:13]  * hyperair yawns
[04:18] <ScottK> Stupendoussteve: I've looked at this package.  It's unfixable until nvidia allows cg to be distributed and it can be packaged.  Debian won't care because they allow binary uploads.
[04:44] <Stupendoussteve> ScottK: I thought as much once I noticed it wasn't just the one I uploaded didn't build
[04:45] <Stupendoussteve> Thanks for the confirmation :)
[07:04] <stochastic> Does anyone have a free minute to REVU either http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/a2jmidid or http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xwax or http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xjadeo
[07:16] <TheMuso> stochastic: Will see if I can make time tonight to look at those.
[07:16] <stochastic> TheMuso, thanks.
[07:32] <\sh> moins
[11:29] <logari81> hi, ...I don't know if this channel is appropriate for such general questions... anyway I have the following  cdbs packaging problem:
[11:29] <logari81> I have to first run "autoreconf" in the root directory of my packages sources in order to get the packaging with debuilder free of errors
[11:30] <logari81> I see cdbs has auto update options for libtool an autoconf but nothing similar for autoreconf
[11:31] <logari81> I d be grateful for any tip
[11:31] <hyperair> yes it does
[11:31] <hyperair> look for AUTOCONF and AUTOMAKE
[11:31] <hyperair> DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_AUTO{CONF,HEADER,MAKE}
[11:32] <hyperair> autoreconf is just a nice wrapper which does runs auto{conf,header,make} in order
[11:33]  * hyperair pokes logari81
[11:35] <hyperair> Zhenech: i just realized that the geany-plugin-* packages have a messed up version for geany's binary-dep. i'll fix that and reupload to m.d.n, once i figure out whether it's supposed to be 0.16 or 0.17.
[11:35] <logari81> hyperair: seems like what I am looking for, let me try it
[11:36] <hyperair> logari81: when you finally realize that CDBS sucks, run man dh and learn how to use debhelper 7.
[11:36] <hyperair> ;)
[11:39]  * hyperair misses living on the same LAN as an ubuntu mirror
[11:40] <Zhenech> hyperair, heh, setup an own one :P
[11:41] <hyperair> Zhenech: i set up that mirror! on my university campus taht is. just that i'm now on vacation and at home
[11:41] <Zhenech> setup one at home too :)
[11:41] <hyperair> hahaha not enough space =(
[11:42] <hyperair> and my bandwidth is so tiny that the initial rsync will probably take a year or so
[11:42] <hyperair> or maybe a few months
[11:42] <hyperair> by that time, the archive would have completely changed, and i'll have to rsync again
[11:43] <hyperair> rather, it'll change faster than i can sync, basically
[11:51] <hyperair> Zhenech: aha. 0.16 fails. changing to 0.17, then will upload to m.d.n
[11:52] <Laney> thought you had a pkg-geany set up
[11:52] <hyperair> well yes.
[11:52] <hyperair> but i'm not sure where he's getting the sources from O_o
[11:52] <hyperair> it's up on pkg-geany in any case
[11:53] <hyperair> and now on m.d.n too
[12:24] <slytherin> ttx: busy?
[12:24] <ttx> slytherin: it's all relative. what's up ?
[12:24] <slytherin> ttx: same request. I have updated the jemter package on revu.
[12:25] <ttx> slytherin: ok, will have a look
[12:26] <logari81> hyperair: I see that autoreconf in my case calls aclocal,libtoolize,autoconf,autoheader,automake thus I defined the corresponding DEB_AUTO_UPDATE... entries of cdbs but with no luck up to now
[12:54] <hyperair> logari81: that's when you burn your debian/rules, curse cdbs like hell, and switch to dh7 ;)
[12:55]  * hyperair pokes Zhenech
[12:59] <dmentre> gaspa: ocaml-reins cannot built because it lacks latest omake. I have opened bug 406336.
[12:59] <dmentre> gaspa: Otherwise, round 3 and 4 are finished.
[13:08] <dmentre> gaspa: http://bentobako.org/ubuntu-ocaml-status/transition_monitor/ocaml_transition_monitor.html  (ocaml-libvirt is postponed to round 5)
[13:09] <dmentre> gaspa: I'll prepare bug for round 5 without subscribing *-sponsors at first.
[13:12] <RainCT> If anyone's bored, http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/python-fusepy needs a review.
[13:13]  * slytherin runs away from python
[13:18] <gaspa> dmentre: i already did (about sync for omake)
[13:19] <dmentre> gaspa: cool! :-)
[13:20] <gaspa> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/omake/+bug/406305
[13:20] <dmentre> gaspa: opened bug 406351.  Thanks.
[13:50] <Laney> gaspa: http://cs.nott.ac.uk/~ial/graph.pdf
[13:50] <Laney> lets-a-goooo
[13:50] <gaspa> wooooo :D
[13:51] <gaspa> oh my...
[13:51] <gaspa> Laney: what does it mean red or green?
[13:52] <Laney> uninstallable
[13:52] <Laney> checking why ghc6 is red....
[13:53] <Laney> oh, yeah that explains it
[13:54] <Laney> hold on...
[13:56] <gaspa> Laney: good, how much will you refresh it?
[13:56]  * Laney shrugs
[13:56] <Laney> I could cron it I guess
[13:57] <Laney> gaspa: have another look, few more green now
[13:58] <gaspa> ok
[13:59] <Laney> right, I'll email ubuntu-devel and then we can get started now I guess
[14:00] <gaspa> Laney: could we generalize thIs tools? I mean, give in input a package, two version that specify the running transition , and it give all the package involved?
[14:00] <Laney> it's a bit ghc specific now, but for similar transitions it would be alright
[14:01] <Laney> darcs get alioth:/darcs/pkg-haskell/tools
[14:01] <gaspa> could I take a look at sources?
[14:01] <gaspa> right ;)
[14:01] <Laney> I did some hax to make it work with ubuntu
[14:02] <gaspa> thanks.
[14:07] <dmentre> gaspa: Regarding generic transition tool, Stéphane Glodu of ocaml_transition_monitor also wants to make such a generic tool
[14:07] <Laney> we just have some ad-hoc scripts right now really
[14:08] <Laney> btw edos-debcheck is sexy
[14:10] <hyperair> what's that do?
[14:10] <hyperair> ooh. that's pretty darn cool!
[14:14] <gaspa> Laney: I love edos-builddebcheck even more ;)
[15:05] <slytherin> ttx: If I add a .desktop file, is the package good to go in?
[15:05] <ttx> slytherin: works for me. The messages are pasted are just warnings ?
[15:05] <ttx> s/s are/s I/
[15:06] <slytherin> ttx: I have added explanation on revu. :-)
[15:07] <ttx> slytherin: ok
[15:08] <slytherin> JAVA_CMD warning is non-issue. There is nothing I can do for other warning and it does not seem to cause any problem in functionality.
[15:41] <blackmoon> hi, "XSBC-Original-Maintainer" it's not recognized in ubuntu?
[15:42] <blackmoon> ...i mean inside a control file for .deb package
[15:43] <dmentre> gaspa: regarding the merge (or at least the modified package) for ocaml-libvirt, should I open a separate bug or keep it in bug 406351
[15:43] <dmentre> ?
[15:56] <geser> dmentre: I'd remove the part about ocaml-libvirt from the summary, so this bug is about syncs only and open a new bug for ocaml-libvirt and provide a debdiff with the needed changes against latest version in debian and subscribe the sponsoring team
[16:05] <kigoug> why isn't sshfs installed by default
[16:06] <kigoug> anyone alive in here?
[16:15] <dmentre> geser: ok, I'll do that
[16:22] <dmentre> geser: done in bug 406351 and partially done in bug 406434 (no debdiff yet)
[16:43] <alkisg> I'm using Prism (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/prism) for some educational apps. The ubuntu version is really old (2007). Is there anyway I can help getting a newer version into Ubuntu?
[16:43] <alkisg> The newer prism packages from the mozilla daily build ppa work fine: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[16:43] <alkisg> I don't know why Karmic still has the ancient 2007 prism package...
[16:44] <paulliu> Hi all. Freeflying helped me uploading 'anjal' today but we didn't receive any mail about accepted/rejected. It seems really strange.
[16:45] <paulliu> Freeflying is my sponsor.
[16:45] <freeflying> paulliu: I think you shall apply for MOTU :)
[16:46] <paulliu> freeflying: I will. Thank you.
[16:48] <alkisg> fta: sorry for the direct question, I see that you uploaded the prism packages in the mozilla daily build ppa, any chances of getting some recent prism version to karmic (or karmic+1)?
[17:06] <fta> asac, ^^
[17:07] <fta> alkisg, well, i don't know, i remember we still had a few things in the todo list
[17:08] <alkisg> fta: But afaik 0.8 had many many more issues, so 0.99 would be vastly better, even if the TODOs weren't realized in time for karmic (or +1)...
[17:08] <asac> fta: todo list ... prism is not in any spec at least.
[17:08] <asac> but we can surely update it ... or are there any problems?
[17:08] <fta> asac, we have a spec for the webapps from uds
[17:09]  * alkisg had problems with 0.8 and used the moz daily build ppa to solve them :)
[17:09] <asac> fta: did we have a session for that? uds barcelona?
[17:10] <asac> so the main spec i am working on wrt to mozilla is https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-firefox-3.5
[17:10] <asac> we could put it in the "porting" pot
[17:11] <asac> ;)
[17:11] <fta> asac, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/prism-applications
[17:11]  * asac notices that pot might not be the right english word ;)
[17:11] <asac> hmm ... seems to be ok
[17:11] <fta> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-prism-webapp-repository
[17:11] <asac> fta: oh right that was rainct
[17:12] <RainCT> asac, fta: hey, what's up?
[17:12] <asac> RainCT: hi
[17:12] <asac> RainCT: can we do something for that spec this cycle? maybe in a reduced form?
[17:13]  * asac  checks the code
[17:14] <alkisg> Btw, Ubuntu version of Prism 1.0b2: http://browsing.justdiscourse.com/2009/07/29/ubuntu-version-of-prism-10b2/
[17:15] <RainCT> asac: Well, it's not something particularly difficult so it should be possible to get something working before feature freeze, but I've got almost nothing done so far because I'm busy with GSoC.
[17:15] <asac> i think our 0.99 package either is 1.0b2 or is even ahead
[17:15] <asac> RainCT: oh GSoC ... what are you working on?
[17:15] <RainCT> asac: Integrating Zeitgeist into GNOME Shell :)
[17:15] <asac> nice
[17:16] <asac> RainCT: so whats the status of the current code ...
[17:16] <asac> ?
[17:16] <asac> (prism=
[17:16] <asac> )
[17:16] <asac> ok seems we have the main window
[17:16] <alkisg> I don't know about 0.99 vs 1.0b2, but a developer in #prism made it this morning as a result of me bugging him ;)
[17:17] <asac> RainCT: how would you envision to integrate that in prism? e.g. add to the prism main app? or somewhere else?
[17:17] <asac> alkisg: maybe you wasted his time then :-P
[17:17] <alkisg> Could be... :)
[17:18] <asac> let me check if i can figure that quick
[17:18] <alkisg> The problem was, I've made about 30 flash/html based educational apps work with prism, but the webapp.js in 0.8 was almost totally useless
[17:18] <RainCT> asac: I thought of it as an application which replaces Prism's menu entry (making the real prism still accessible using a button in it)
[17:19] <fta> hmm.. May 18 13:03:24 *       plasticmillion has changed the topic to: Prism 1.0 beta is now live at http://prism.mozilla.com || http://developer.mozilla.org/en/Prism || http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozillasvn/source/projects/webrunner/trunk/
[17:19] <asac> fta: seems that didnt go to trunk then? our daily isnt bumped for a while as it seems
[17:19] <asac> oh dejavu
[17:19] <fta> maybe they moved trunk..
[17:19] <asac> i think we already talked about it
[17:21] <RainCT> asac: but the current code is rather inexistant (there's just enough code to draw this http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5802/prism.png :P)
[17:22] <asac> RainCT: how did the entry get into that window? i dont have it here ;)
[17:23] <RainCT> asac: Heh. Pull.
[17:23] <alkisg> (asac, btw, whenever you want more feedback or testing for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/391040 I'm here :))
[17:24] <asac> alkisg: have you checked the trunk builds i provided?
[17:25] <asac> alkisg: are you on karmic?
[17:25] <alkisg> asac, no, will do in a few hours. In your ppa?
[17:25] <alkisg> I can test in karmic or jaunty
[17:25] <asac> alkisg: https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk
[17:25] <asac> special ppa for trunk (e.g. nm 0.8)
[17:25] <asac> for jaunty this pulls in a bunch of other backports ... but it was confirmed to work
[17:25] <alkisg> Thanks, I'll try them and report back
[17:25] <asac> if you dont fear some bustage as you want to upgrade anyway you could try jaunty. otherwise check after karmic upgrade
[17:26] <asac> alkisg: those packages backported are a bit risky as its low level stuff surrouding udev ... i dont think it will be a problem. just want to warn you
[17:26] <asac> better backup stuff for worst case scenario
[17:26] <alkisg> OK. I'll try in karmic first, jaunty later (cause some teachers that use jaunty will need that backport)
[17:27] <RainCT> I'll have 10 days after GSoC and until Feature Freeze, but won't be at home that time (and my connection will be my 3G phone with a pay-per-MB rate) so I don't know if I'll be able to do much.
[17:28] <asac> alkisg: yeah. just dont put your teachers on that ppa for now. at least not auto upgrade from it ;)
[17:28] <asac> thats pretty experimental ppa
[17:28] <alkisg> asac: No no if the testing is OK, I'll copy the packages over to my ppa
[17:29] <alkisg> We have a central ppa for such things. Launchpad is very handy :)
[17:29] <alkisg> (we = greek teachers using linux)
[17:30] <ScottK> Anyone wants to merge opencv or xdelta3, please go ahead.
[17:33] <ScottK> Who is coordinating the ghc6 transition?
[17:35] <DktrKranz> ScottK: it's Laney
[17:36] <ScottK> DktrKranz: Thanks.
[17:36] <ScottK> Laney: Does a geordi upload need to be coordinated with the transition?  If so would you add it to your list and push it to boost 1.38 at the appropriate time?
[17:43] <asac> ok its confirmed. the prism we have is ahead of 1.0b2
[17:43] <asac> alkisg:
[17:43] <asac> ^
[17:43] <asac> he just forgot to commit the version bump
[17:43] <alkisg> Nice, but it would be even nicer if it was scheduled for karmic :)
[17:44] <alkisg> Thank you asac
[17:44] <asac> alkisg: i talked to him. we will do a _real_ 1.0b2 release now and then i can upload
[17:44] <blackmoon_> hi, "XSBC-Original-Maintainer" inside a coontrol file,  is not recognized in ubuntu?
[17:44] <alkisg> Perfect!
[17:53] <blackmoon_> no one?
[17:56] <Laney> ScottK: what needs to be done?
[17:58] <ScottK> Laney: It's a ghc6 package.  It also uses boost.  Just need to push the boost build-dep and depends to 1.38.
[17:58] <Laney> Alright, noted
[17:58] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:02] <Laney> ScottK: Is an unversioned dep not enough?
[18:02] <Laney> although I see 1.53 as an alternate
[18:02] <Laney> 1.35
[18:04] <ScottK> Laney: If it was our only Ubuntu change, I'd live with libboost-dev, but until we can otherwise sync, it's better to be specfic I think.
[18:04] <ScottK> We're trying to kill off 1.35.
[18:04] <Laney> right
[18:29] <ScottK> hyperair: Would you please update sigx to use boost1.38 instead of 1.35.
[18:31] <ScottK> DktrKranz: Would you please do the same with csound?
[18:34] <fabrice_sp> Hi, bug #337337 has been closed in Karmic, and I've added the 'jaunty' task so that this bug could be processed as SRU. Can some MOTU check the status of this bug is ok as a SRU? I've followed the instruction of the SRU wiki page.
[18:40] <hyperair> ScottK: okay.
[18:40] <ScottK> hyperair: Thanks.
[18:41] <hyperair> ScottK: actually it's updated in debian already. could you sync it?
[18:41] <ScottK> hyperair: I can't.  Please file a bug using the normal process then.
[18:41] <hyperair> hmm okay
[18:51] <DktrKranz> ScottK: I'll have a look
[18:52] <DktrKranz> (but after autoconf mess)
[18:52] <ScottK> DktrKranz: Thanks.
[18:53] <DktrKranz> anyone noticed strange build failures since today's autoconf upload?
[18:56] <kklimonda> hey guys, I need a sponsor for bug 405569 - We have already sync'd pitivi from debian experimental and it's uninstallable
[19:12] <DktrKranz> ScottK: is depending on libboost-dev good?
[19:12] <DktrKranz> (build-depending, in case of csound)
[19:14] <ScottK> DktrKranz: I think it's better to specify the version, but not worth maintaining a diff if that's the only change.
[19:15] <DktrKranz> I'd merge it from Debian, they currently have libboost-dev, and I need to take Ubuntu changes, is it fine to move to 1.38?
[19:29] <shane_> hey can anyone here help me get started at working towards joining Motu
[19:31] <ScottK> DktrKranz: It should be.  Just test build and make sure nothing unfortunate results.
[19:31] <ScottK> shane_: Lots of people here can, but we generally do better with specific questions.
[19:32] <shane_> Scottk_: Just looking for info as to exactly were to start, packaging or bug?
[19:33] <ScottK> I think that generally working on bug fixing first is better.  To do a new package you need to know a fair amount about all aspects of packaging.
[19:33] <ScottK> !development
[19:34] <shane_> ok so should I subscribe to Motu mailing list then or just focus on Bugsquad?
[19:53] <ScottK> shane_: It's up to you.
[19:53] <ScottK> Bugsquad is more about triaging bugs than trying to get them fixed.
[19:59] <shane_> sdf
[20:59] <DktrKranz> ScottK: I'll probably wait for csound. I'd like to talk with maintainers to include some of Ubuntu changes before merging/changing it again.
[21:00] <ScottK> DktrKranz: OK.  It'd be better to get rid of 1.35 sooner rather than later though.
[21:01] <DktrKranz> how many packages still remain?
[21:02] <ScottK> A handful.
[21:02] <ScottK> Most should be taken care of in the next week.
[21:02] <ScottK> KDE 4.3 release next week will wide out 3.
[21:02] <DktrKranz> Ok, I could eventually manage a quick upload only with boost1.38, just to speed things up
[21:02]  * ScottK just uploaded some and has one more test building.
[21:02] <ScottK> DktrKranz: I'll ping you if it gets down to you.
[21:03] <DktrKranz> it builds and I've not seen anything completely wrong
[21:29] <DktrKranz> ScottK: uploading csound
[21:36] <ScottK> DktrKranz: Thanks.
[22:30] <RoAkSoAx> Hey guys one lil question. Debian has disabled a package by commenting everything for that package on debian/control. Now, on the Ubuntu side of things, changes were made for Build-Depends on that disabled package. No, since the package has been disabled, should I continue to apply the Ubuntu changes?
[22:31] <sebner> RoAkSoAx: what's the reason for disabling it?
[22:32] <RoAkSoAx> sebner, According to the Debian: "Redisable gcjwebplugin for all architectures, since the security issues are not considered to be adequately resolved for lenny and the icedtea-gcjwebplugin is now available (closes: #267040)"
[22:34] <RoAkSoAx> sebner, this has been disabled for lenny, which meant that Jaunty had the same change. However, they were still applying Ubuntu changes to the disabled package.
[22:35] <sebner> RoAkSoAx: generally we shouldn't differ that much from debian but if the ubuntu changes are important they should be preserved for the time the packages comes back *if* it comes back
[22:36] <RoAkSoAx> sebner, ok I'll keep them, and the changes are changing to firefox instead of iceweasel
[22:36] <RoAkSoAx> and adding a Recommends
[22:36] <sebner> kk
[22:37] <RoAkSoAx> :)
[22:38] <RoAkSoAx> thanks
[22:43] <ScottK> If that's the only changes (related to the disabled package), I'd sync it myself.
[22:47] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK, well that actually was one of a series of changes :)


[00:03] <markvandenborre> this might be interesting for people who have problem keeping the load on an ltsp server down
[00:22] <markvandenborre> I put it into root's crontab at a school, seems to help a _lot_
[02:50]  * dtrask is a little nervous about Super Bowl right now....lives in New England
[02:52] <pygi> shouldnt you be sleeping :p
[02:55] <dtrask> at 9:55?
[02:55] <dtrask> little early  ;-)
[03:01] <pygi> dtrask, ehm!
[03:01] <pygi> sorry, missed timezones :P
[03:02] <pygi> it's 3:55AM :P
[03:20] <pygi> hello PriceChild
[03:21] <PriceChild> Hey there pygi.
[14:41] <Tux_help> Hello, is there where I might ask for some Ubuntu installation help?
[22:02] <TelnetManta> Is this chan still alive?
[22:03] <johnny> obviously.. look at all the people :)


[09:06] <CIA-45> ubiquity: evand * r2782 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py):
[09:06] <CIA-45> ubiquity: Do not copy files that we're going to later remove, per
[09:06] <CIA-45> ubiquity: dvd-performance-hacks.
[10:04] <ganes> hello , i have HCL pc of using RTL8168B ethernet card ., the light is glowing but when i put "mii-tool" --- it displays " no mii interface found : eth0 not supported"
[10:31] <ganes> hello , i have HCL pc of using RTL8168B ethernet card ., the light is glowing but when i put "mii-tool" --- it displays " no mii interface found : eth0 not supported"
[10:34] <persia> ganes: You may find that you can receive more useful support from either #ubuntu or answers.launchpad.net.  This channel is dedicated to the development of the installer itself, whereas I would suspect you are encountering a bug with the installed software.
[10:43] <cjwatson> it's also unlikely to be an installer bug; mii-tool is just a tool we use rather than something we're responsible for maintaining
[10:43] <cjwatson> if anything, it is more likely to be a kernel bug
[10:43] <cjwatson> *sigh*
[21:27] <tormod> which package is responsible for installing mouseemu on macmini? ubiquity? bug #251830
[22:33] <tormod> the answer is hw-detect -  no winners here today :)


[00:42] <jane_> hello i have a small problem.. i need the command to change or start a different desktop environment ... I changed it to LXgame or something and all i get is a black screen,, it does show my touchpad is disable in a notice but thats it.
[00:44] <Unit193> Log out, select the normal session.
[00:44] <jane_> cannot seem to logout
[00:44] <jane_> best i can do is get to the command line cltr alt f1 ectect
[00:45] <Unit193> DISPLAY=:0 lxsession-logout   and the screen should pop up.
[00:45] <Unit193> If not, killall lxsession
[00:45] <jane_> k will try
[00:48] <jane_> yes the second one did it the killall lxsession ty very very much
[00:48] <Unit193> 'Welcome.
[00:49] <jane_> so how would you use the LX game one??
[00:49] <jane_> i hit all the hotkey i could with of
[00:49] <Unit193> Don't know.
[00:50] <jane_> kk np
[00:56] <Unit193> You can inspect the lxsession settings for that session, stuff under /etc/xdg/ (but don't break it! :P )
[03:20] <Ahmuck> hi.  i've lost my menu option upper left hand corner in a application.  how do i get it back?
[03:21] <greeter_> is this in every application or one application specifically?
[03:22] <greeter_> sorry i mis-understood the issue... hmm i used alt + f3 when that happened to me, but i tried it just now without any luck :-S
[03:25] <Ahmuck> nm, i closed it and re-opened
[03:26] <ianorlin> whihc application?
[03:27] <greeter_> ah ok, glad you solved your problem :-)
[12:42] <thor480> upload .png where can i do that?
[12:43] <thor480> For showing in here
[12:45] <thor480> Have found it
[12:49] <thor480> phillw: Jullian have made a mistake in the Q ppa. He have made a deb for lxqt-about in lxqt-session but there is no deb for lxqt-session. Here is sreensave for it. http://s28.postimg.org/f760p6rbx/Sk_rmbillede_11_02_2014_13_30_10.png
[12:55] <phillw> thor480: I'll let him know
[12:55] <thor480> phillw: Thanks
[12:59] <phillw> thor480: for future reference, I use http://imagebin.org/ which is a handy temp area for screen shots
[13:01] <thor480> ok can you make link for it.like you have for pastebin in here
[13:21] <thor480> Unit193: Can you if possible make link for http://imagebin.org/ like you have pastbin in here
[13:21] <Unit193> !pastebin | thor480
[13:22] <thor480> Unit193: pastebin
[13:22] <Unit193> Link is in there.
[13:22] <thor480> Unit193: thanks
[13:23] <thor480> ubottu: i will give it a try
[13:24] <thor480> ubottu: i am stupid to
[13:52] <hide-san_> Hello
[13:53] <hide-san_> I just started Lubuntu 13 and would like to swap CTRL key and Caps Lock key.
[13:54] <hide-san_> However xmodmap does not work well. (the swap setup is reset after some actions. I cannot figured out the actions yet.
[13:54] <hide-san_> Anybody know how to swap capslock and ctrl key?
[14:03] <Greylocks> hide-san_: Have you tried changing them in rc.xml?
[14:05] <hide-san_> Hi Greylocks. No, I haven't.
[14:05] <hide-san_> Let me try. Could you give me any reference (web) if you have the link handy?
[14:10] <Greylocks> hide-san_:  This should help: http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Configuration
[14:12] <hide-san_> Checking the page now.
[14:17] <hide-san_> Greylocks: Sorry I could not figure out what to do from the web.
[14:17] <hide-san_> The keyboard section has the link to http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Bindings#Key_bindings
[14:18] <hide-san_> But this is to setup "short cut" by defining the linkage between "keys" and "action" (But not swap CTRL and CAPS_LOCK)
[14:18] <hide-san_> Would you tell me where to check on the web?
[14:21] <Greylocks> hide-san_: I figured that you could remap the keys in there...perhaps try a google search.
[14:23] <SLit> Hi! I have problem installing lubuntu on mac mini. At one point installer freezes and my screen stops to flash, filicker... Afther that I can't do nothing
[14:31] <SLit> Anybody?
[14:31] <Kriss3d> Hi everyone. Uhmm for some reason my Huawei E173 wont connect. any known issues ?
[14:31] <Kriss3d> Im using latest Lubuntu and tried serveral of those odd spanish driver packs that people suggest
[14:54] <phillw> SLit: it probably better to email the testing email list. That's where the MAC people hang out.
[14:55] <phillw> SLit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/PPC%26Mac64 has further details and some useful links to follow.
[14:56] <phillw> Kriss3d: we share the same drivers as all of the *buntu familiy... let me have a dig for you.
[14:58] <phillw> Kriss3d: http://askubuntu.com/questions/179324/huawei-e173-on-ubuntu-12-04 has two solutions (I'd try the swapping the usb port 1st... I've had that one myself with huawei in the past)
[15:16] <SLit> @ phillw I tought maybe I could use aletranative cd. It looks like(maybe it isn't) that It is to demanding for mac mini from 2006
[15:19] <phillw> SLit: I don't have any experience with macs. There is a small team on the testing team. If you're emailing them please prefix the subject [PPC] so that they know it is for mac and not general query. the settings for graphics are dependeant on which graphics card you have installed (2 different solutions for 2 different makes). That is why we do not have one overall answer for graphics issues :/
[15:19] <SLit> Ok
[15:20] <SLit> I will try first with alletrantive cd, then I will e-mail
[15:21] <phillw> SLit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#Configure_graphics has background on the graphics issues.
[15:23] <SLit> I don't have issues with graphics. Everythig looks ok. It just freezes at some point. I whent on Internet adn tryed
[15:23] <SLit> and then tried
[15:23] <SLit>  to load terminal, and may computer freezed
[15:24] <SLit> Also when I try to install
[15:24] <phillw> the video flashing seems to be a the cause of your freeze.
[15:24] <phillw> get the video to work and you may well find it installs fine.
[15:25] <SLit> Could be...
[15:25] <phillw> but, the guys on the mailing list are your best bet for help :)
[15:25] <SLit> Thank you man :-)
[17:55] <thor480> phillw: It`s just the name there is wrong. lxqt-about is really lxqt-session. I am running the lxqt desktop right now
[18:05] <phillw> okies
[20:31] <koell> hey phillw
[20:34] <phillw> hi koell
[20:57] <thor480> phillw: The name has been changes. So thanks
[21:08] <mrpl> Can I upgrade my 13.10 to 12.04.4 LTS by changing the repos and updating/upgrading ?...thanks
[21:16] <gomiboy> mrpl: no, you can't, you'll have to reinstall... or wait a couple months for 14.04 if you really want a LTS :)
[21:16] <ianorlin> no you cannot also lubuntu 12.04 wasn't a long term support release
[21:17] <gomiboy> plus ianorlin is right :D
[21:18] <mrpl> I'll wait....13.10 dosn't expire til july I believe
[21:19] <mrpl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[21:20] <mrpl> I  thionk 12.04  is LTS with the 12.04.4 update
[21:21] <gomiboy> ubuntu 12.04 is LTS, but *lubuntu* 12.04  is not... i can't even remember why, but that's it
[21:22] <mrpl> oh...I forgot that rumor....
[21:22] <phillw> thor480: yes, it was a more of a typo as he was rushing :)
[21:23] <phillw> gomiboy: 2 reasons why lubuntu 12.04 is not lts... 1) we lacked man power 2) we were not permitted it be lts even if he had man power :)
[21:23] <phillw> s/he/we
[21:23] <mrpl> not permitted ?
[21:24] <phillw> you need to have 2 releases before you can have lts. 12.04 was our 2nd release and thus not elligible to be lts
[21:25] <mrpl> maybe 14.04 then ?
[21:25] <phillw> 14.04 IS to be LTS :)
[21:25] <mrpl> if manpower permits?
[21:25] <phillw> that is why it is purely a bug fix of 13.10 (our stable beta of 14,04).
[21:27] <thor480> phillw: :-D
[21:27] <gomiboy> mrpl: if you can't wait there is http://lxle.net/ but don't come here asking for help then, it's absolutely unofficial ;)
[21:28] <phillw> have a read of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/14.04
[21:28] <mrpl> I've been tunning a full install of 13.10 on a 32 gb partioned multiboot micro sd card since October 2013
[21:29] <mrpl> to see how long til the write back wear and tear slows me down, so far so good
[21:29] <phillw> I've been on 14.04 since before Christmas as my production machine to thoroughly soak test it ready for LTS.... It's bomb proof :D
[21:30] <mrpl> Our first LTS nice
[21:30] <ianorlin> I installed it on an external hard drive on new years day
[21:31] <mrpl> 2.5 " in a case ?
[21:33] <ianorlin> yeah got two of them for my birthday last year
[21:33] <mrpl> that's pretty ok
[21:36] <mrpl> I have a hdd-less laptop so use the boot from portable device, the smaller in size the better
[21:37] <mrpl> lubuntu runs the best from a full install , better than mint lxde ,crunchbang


[09:45]  * Noskcaj is away: I'm either at school or soccer. or i just don't like you.
[13:22] <roasted> hello
[22:29] <savio> Bug #987630
[22:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 987630 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "changing brightness freezes computer" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/987630
[22:29] <savio> Anyone working on this
[22:36] <penguin42> seems very unlikely that's a gsd bug
[22:43] <savio> penguin42: what's status ? bug is open for almost year
[22:43] <savio> Is anyone working on it
[22:43] <penguin42> savio: Don't know, I mean it's undecided, so I doubt it
[22:44] <penguin42> savio: What hardware do you have?
[22:45] <penguin42> savio: And when it locks up can you still ctrl-alt-f1 to get to a text terminal (use ctrl-alt-f7 or f8 to get back if you're lucky)
[22:46] <savio> penguin42: dell inspiron laptop with Intel i3 and Intel HD graphics
[22:46] <savio> penguin42: when system freeze can't able to do anything only option is hard boot
[22:47] <savio> The problem is solved with boot option acpi_backlight=vendor on quental
[22:48] <penguin42> ah ok
[22:48] <savio> But this option is not working with latest ubuntu
[22:48] <savio> Pe
[22:48] <penguin42> ok, yeh it sounded like some acpi thing to me - I don't know too much about it
[22:49] <savio> penguin42: I tried acpi=off it works but no touchpad
[22:49] <penguin42> savio: I suggest you add a comment saying that to bug 1007765
[22:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1007765 in fglrx-installer (Ubuntu) "brightness adjusting crashes system" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1007765
[22:50] <penguin42> savio: It sounds like a disagreement between the kernel and the Dell BIOSs
[22:50] <savio> penguin42: I was thinking of downgrading my ubuntu kernel to 3.5
[22:52] <savio> Also changing brightness manually works great /proc/sys/class/backlight/*
[22:52] <penguin42> savio: OK, that's worth adding notes about
[22:53] <penguin42> savio: I've only got a vague understanding how the brightness stuff works; but I think it's vaguely different on different machines
[22:53] <penguin42> savio: Some BIOSs intercept the keypresses themselves and do it, some rely on the OS
[22:53] <savio> penguin42: k
[22:53] <penguin42> savio: I've flipped that bug to kernel and marked it high like the other one
[22:54] <savio> penguin42: also have latest bios
[22:54] <penguin42> savio: Please add a comment saying that the /proc works, and the acpi parameter worked for you
[22:54] <savio> For both the bug
[22:54] <penguin42> yeh
[22:54] <savio> K
[22:54] <savio> U triage bug
[22:54] <penguin42> triage but not fix
[22:55] <savio> I wanted to learn for sometimes I also try reading documentation but not get much
[22:55] <penguin42> the new kernel apparently still has the acpi_backlight stuff in
[22:56] <savio> penguin42: but its not working with new kernel
[22:57] <penguin42> yeh
[22:57] <penguin42> savio: Do you have any 'video' modules loaded - I think lsmod | grep -i video
[22:58] <savio> Don't know I am on my android
[22:58] <penguin42> ah
[22:59] <penguin42> what model Dell did you say?
[23:04] <penguin42> it's just there is a Dell laptop file in the kernel with a list of quirky models
[23:05] <penguin42> hmm, although it's setup to use acpi backlight if configured
[23:06] <savio> Dell inspiron 15
[23:08] <penguin42> ok, anyway - probably better for an ACPI person to look at this, but add those things you found to the bugs; it's quite useful to know that the proc thing works for people stuck with it, because also that means that it's not actually the stuff that changes the backlight that's necessary broken
[23:11] <penguin42> savio: I'd try rmmod'ing the video module
[23:12] <savio> U mean removing video module
[23:12] <penguin42> nod, not sure what will happen!
[23:14] <savio> OK I will try that
[23:14] <savio> I have add comment on both the bugs u might check
[23:14] <savio> :)
[23:15] <penguin42> nod, I'm subscribed to the 987630 - you should state exact model
[23:25] <savio> penguin42: how can I edit my comment
[23:27] <penguin42> just add another - as long as you don't do it too often it's ok


[03:10] <AndyChow_888> Hello. What does unity-panel-service consist of? It's using 7.9 GB GiB on my system, is this normal?
[03:10] <AndyChow_888> I'm running a BTRFS balance, btw.
[03:38] <duflu> AndyChow_888: It consists of code. Sounds like a leak. Please log a bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+filebug
[04:20] <AndyChow_888> Ok, reported as: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1641820
[04:20] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1641820 in unity (Ubuntu) "Memory leak" [Undecided,New]
[14:19] <pstolowski> mterry, hey, just noticed your comment about gdk pixbuf after actually finishing it
[14:20] <mterry> pstolowski: sorry  :(
[14:20] <pstolowski> mterry, if you have a better solution feel free to push it
[14:21] <mterry> pstolowski: well there is this cross-project shared script that sets up a lot of this stuff for us, and I figure we should use that to be on same page
[14:21] <mterry> https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/blob/master/qt/launcher-specific and others
[14:21] <mterry> It happens to solve the mime and pixbuf stuff for us
[14:23] <pstolowski> mterry, ah, right. i didn't think of looking there :/
[14:45] <mterry> ltinkl: heads up, I just committed a change that uses the snapcraft-desktop-helpers bit and pulls in locales-all.  So your wizard branch should be unblocked I'd guess
[14:45] <ltinkl> mterry, kk thanks, I'll merge in
[14:46] <ltinkl> mterry, but it's blocked on the fact we don't quite agree what to show in the wizard (and uss), whether all the available locales or just those with translations
[14:46] <mterry> tedg: with current fresh u8 snap, snaps aren't launching (but legacy apps are)...
[14:47] <mterry> ltinkl: you mean u8 and uss disagree or there's a discussion somewhere among product people?
[14:47] <ltinkl> mterry, u8 and uss will show the same stuff (as we reuse their plugin) but we had a discussion earlier with Saviq
[14:50] <tedg> mterry: Man, you're screwing with me, I saw the notification while in another channel and couldn't figure out what was happening :-)
[14:51] <tedg> mterry: Are they showing up in the scope?
[14:51] <mterry> tedg: ye
[14:51] <mterry> s
[14:51] <tedg> Okay, I've just got the failed signal left to connect and then I can go back to getting these branches stable again. Stop adding things for a bit.
[14:51] <mterry> tedg: error like "Executing XMir on PID: 478XMir has closed unexpectedly"
[14:52] <tedg> Hmm, that's not good. Do you get a denial in U8 logs?
[14:53] <mterry> tedg: looks like u8 just gets a "ApplicationManager::onProcessFailed" event -- no other related log messages about the failure
[15:04] <mterry> ltinkl: you say "~/snap/unity8-session/current/.config/user-dirs.dirs has still values pointing to “x1”" -- I'm not seeing that...
[15:05] <mterry> ltinkl: did you start fresh or is this some upgrade-from-old-version difficulty?
[15:05] <ltinkl> mterry, not sure know, will have to try again, you did too many changes :p
[15:05] <mterry> ltinkl: fair  :)
[15:05] <mterry> progress!
[15:10] <ltinkl> mterry, are you building on top of the ubuntu-app-platform?
[15:11] <mterry> ltinkl: no...  not yet
[15:12] <ltinkl> mterry, the diff now looks more sensible :) https://code.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/unity8-session-snap/locale-fixes/+merge/310864
[15:13] <ltinkl> mterry, what about "shared-mime-info", guess we need it too?
[15:13] <mterry> ltinkl: shared-mime-info is already in
[15:14] <ltinkl> mterry, umm where does it get pulled in?
[15:14] <mterry> ltinkl: as is dmz-cursor-theme from your brnach
[15:14] <ltinkl> mterry, via the desktop helpers?
[15:15] <mterry> ltinkl: that list of packages in snapcraft.yaml pulls in dependencies
[15:15] <ltinkl> ah
[15:15] <ltinkl> mterry, as long as we're building from debs right :)
[15:16] <mterry> ltinkl: so I'd say take our your package changes that aren't about language-packs
[15:16] <mterry> and indicator-keyboard
[15:17] <ltinkl> mterry, yup... since Saviq wants to bundle all langpacks as a start, I'm gonna include them all
[15:17] <ltinkl> mterry, then we have to figure out how to query for those in uss/u8
[15:17] <mterry> ltinkl: also don't need qttranslations5-l10n
[15:17] <ltinkl> mterry, and show them instead of _all_ locales
[15:18] <ltinkl> mterry, qttranslations5-l10n also fetched as a dep?
[15:19] <mterry> yup
[15:19] <mterry> ltinkl: ^
[15:19] <ltinkl> kk
[15:20] <mterry> smoke testing now, hopefully can land soon, looks fine besides
[15:36] <sil2100> Trevinho: hey!
[15:37] <sil2100> Trevinho: I see an unity SRU silo in Bileto ready for publish, but the bugs it tries to fix are not prepared from the SRU formality side
[15:37] <sil2100> Trevinho: (i.e. I don't see all the bugs using the SRU template)
[15:37] <sil2100> Trevinho: could you take care of that?
[15:38] <Trevinho> sil2100: sure, it's something we want to do... But i didn't publish it yet because of that and because andyrock has some more tests to do on it
[15:38] <sil2100> Ah, ok, then good I didn't publish it
[15:38] <sil2100> As it appears as 'publishable' right now
[15:52] <ltinkl> mterry, fine with this? https://code.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/unity8-session-snap/locale-fixes/+merge/310864
[15:53] <mterry> ltinkl: yeah looks good, just going to give it a sanity test
[15:53] <mterry> ltinkl: though wait, where did the wizard re-enablement go?
[15:53] <ltinkl> mterry, we can't re-enable it (just yet)
[15:53] <mterry> ltinkl: oh bummer
[15:53] <mterry> what's the issue?
[15:54] <ltinkl> mterry, wrote earlier ^^ basically Saviq and tsdgeos  don't agree with the fact that we'd list all the available locales
[15:55] <ltinkl> mterry, so I gotta find a way to query for those langpacks, instead of locales
[15:55] <Saviq> s/available/existing/
[15:55] <ltinkl> yeah
[15:55] <Saviq> locale != language
[15:55] <mterry> ltinkl: I see -- I didn't realize that was a blocker.  k
[15:55] <ltinkl> Saviq, sure but it still sets LC_ALL=foo as a result
[15:56] <Saviq> but you choose a language, not locale - setting locale is a side effect, because that's likely the right thing to do
[15:56] <Saviq> it'd actually make more sense to base locale off of the time zone setting :P
[15:57] <ltinkl> Saviq, kind of, yes; but that's another discussion
[15:57] <Saviq> yup, which is why I don't want to expose *locales* in the wizard, because it doesn't say "Locale" at the top :)
[15:57] <ltinkl> Saviq, I don't disagree with you, best would be imho to have the lang/locale separation somewhere, the list of translations is too limiting imo
[15:58] <Saviq> ltinkl, yes, which is what we discussed before, language + separate settings for time, date, monetary preferences, not tied to language/locale at all
[15:58] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: i don't agree we should list all locales in the language selection screen
[15:58] <tsdgeos> this is for selecting languages not locales
[15:58] <tsdgeos> or at least it's called language-plugin
[15:59] <Saviq> you can set defaults for those based on language, but even *I* really wouldn't know what to choose from a list of 200+ locales to have my preferred setup
[16:00] <Saviq> the worst thing there is that probably 95% of those locales choose from what? 3 different configs?
[16:01] <Saviq> so I'm fine with those being used as a source of defaults, but not with exposing the user to that
[16:11] <pstolowski> mterry, you may want to rename desktop/qt5 to desktop-qt5 (if i remember correctly)
[16:11] <pstolowski> to avoid the deprecation warning from snapcradt
[16:17] <mterry> pstolowski: will it find it online?
[16:17] <mterry> pstolowski: that's a cloud part
[16:20] <pstolowski> mterry, yep, it should work, that's what a number of projects in snappy-playpen uses (I've just checked)
[16:20] <mterry> pstolowski: ah great thanks
[16:22] <pstolowski> mterry, see also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/snapcraft/parts
[16:25] <mterry> pstolowski: ok updated
[16:25] <mterry> thx
[16:26] <pstolowski> yw
[17:01] <ltinkl> mterry, the paths in user-dirs.dirs are still not good :/ moreover everything (like .cache, .local, etc) got duplicated between ~/snap/unity8-session/x13 and ~/snap/unity8-session/common
[17:01] <ltinkl> mterry, interestingly, the common dir has the paths right
[17:07] <mterry> ltinkl: right it would
[17:07] <mterry> ltinkl: the ones in x13 are not used anymore
[17:07] <mterry> ltinkl: snapd automatically copies those files around to the new version
[17:07] <mterry> you can delete them and it'd be fine
[17:42] <mterry> ltinkl: language packs for br and cy aren't in zesty?
[17:43] <mterry> oh I may not have overlay installed
[17:45] <ltinkl> mterry, those are coming from phone, so yeah overlay
[17:45] <ltinkl> mterry, and, indicator-datetime didn't start in u7 again, even after reboot
[17:46] <mterry> ltinkl: well do you know why?
[17:46] <mterry> like is there an erro?
[17:46] <mterry> error
[17:49] <ltinkl> mterry, where should I look?
[17:50] <mterry> ltinkl: ...  i'd start with indicator-datetime's upstart logs
[17:50] <mterry> in ~/snap/unity8-session/common/.cache/upstart
[17:52] <ltinkl> mterry, in u7 it doesn't start, which in fact might be related to silo 2195
[17:52] <ltinkl> mterry, that's the log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23481550/
[17:53] <mterry> ltinkl: oh sorry, u7.  sure.  well the only change in the silo is prefixing the command with $SNAP -- do you think SNAP is defined in your u7 environment?
[17:53] <ltinkl> mterry, nope
[17:54] <mterry> ltinkl: that log doesn't look great no.  You could try purging the ppa and trying again.  But I really doubt this is caused by the indicator-datetime branch itself.  Possibly something else in the silo?
[17:55] <ltinkl> mterry, yeah... dunno at this point; it starts tho if I launch the -service manually
[22:40] <Blue2> Hi
[22:40] <Blue2> anybody fromthe design team here?
[22:40] <Blue2> how can you suggest things?
[22:41] <Blue2> design wise?


[07:48] <allstarsnorks2__> Hi guys. I have a problem. When I replaced Adwaita with a custom GTK 3.0 theme, the non-root window is like Windows 95 while the root version is the one that I put it with
[07:52] <darkxst> allstarsnorks2__, we don't support custom themes, most of them are broken!
[07:53] <darkxst> allstarsnorks2__, you should contact the theme author
[08:33] <darkxst> Noskcaj, can you send an email to ubuntu-devel re upower transition?
[08:36] <Noskcaj> k
[10:31] <darkxst> Noskcaj, you can copy ppa:darkxst/upower to yours
[10:32] <darkxst> g-s-d needs a little more work, but is working
[10:32] <darkxst> although am contemplating just backporting the entire power panel


[10:52] <elky> is anyone going to comment on Amber's revision but just has not yet? we're already so far behind the schedule on this :( I want to launch asap
[13:19] <elky> Pendulum, whoever added you to the planet file misspelled your name :(
[13:35] <Pendulum> elky: likely me :-/
[13:35] <Pendulum> actually, which planet?
[13:35] <elky> the main one
[13:35] <Pendulum> haha, yeah, that was me
[13:36] <Pendulum> elky: thaks for letting me know :)
[13:38]  * Pendulum fixes


[05:16] <awmcclain> Hey all... anyone up?
[05:19] <Peng> Maybe.
[05:29] <awmcclain> Anyone with experience intalling to ubuntu/debian from source?
[05:32] <Peng> "python setup.py install"?
[05:33]  * Peng wanders off.
[12:10] <cpinto> hi all
[12:12] <cpinto> i'm using bzr to be able to work disconnected from a subversion repo. after fetching the sources i did a bzr unbind. worked a little bit on them, committed stuff and i just did a bzr bind + bzr update as to update from the central repository. now I have a bunch of pending merges mixed with a few not yet merged changes to the code.
[12:12] <cpinto> is there anyway to commit only the pending merges?
[15:14] <Qhestion> how can i upgrad bazaar? downloading the newest sources and running "setup.py install" failed.
[15:15] <Qhestion> my previous installation was bazaar v1.0
[15:15] <fullermd> Well, you'd usually want to blow away the old install instead of just installing over it.
[15:15] <Qhestion> hmm, bzr now gives me an error message...
[15:15] <fullermd> But that wouldn't cause it to error out.
[15:15] <Qhestion> well, the setup ran fine
[15:15] <Qhestion> but bzr now give me an error:
[15:15] <Qhestion> from django.utils.translation import ugettext as _
[15:15] <Qhestion> oops
[15:16] <Qhestion> bzr: WARNING: bzrlib version doesn't match the bzr program.This may indicate an installation problem.bzrlib from ['/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib'] is version (1, 0, 0, 'final', 0)
[15:16] <fullermd> That suggests that the install put bzrlib somewhere else.
[15:17] <fullermd> Do you have any plugins installed system-wide (as opposed to in ~/.bazaar/plugins/)?
[15:17] <Qhestion> but both times i just ran "sudo python setup.py install"
[15:17] <Qhestion> no plugins.
[15:18] <fullermd> 'k.  Then blowing away the 'bzr' executable and the 'bzrlib/' dir in site-packages should be all you need to deinstall.
[15:18] <Qhestion> k. tryin it
[15:18] <fullermd> (plugins install system-wide under bzrlib/, so you'd have to be more discriminating if you had them)
[15:18] <fullermd> That'll give you a nice clean slate to work from.
[15:21] <Qhestion> ok, that did it
[18:21] <aklaver> Is there any particular reason why the deb packages are lagging behind the other binaries in being released?
[18:22] <beuno> aklaver, what other binaries?
[18:22] <dato> or what deb packages
[18:23] <Peng> It surprises me that you guys don't get debs and whatnot out at the same time as releases when you're so good at everything else.
[18:23]  * Peng shrugs.
[18:23] <aklaver> The 1.1 installer for Windows and Mac.
[18:24] <aklaver> There are no deb packages for 1.1 for either Dapper or Fiesty.
[18:24] <Peng> There's a 1.1 deb for Gutsy?
[18:24] <dato> no
[18:24] <Peng> Exactly.
[18:25] <dato> there is for hardy, and for debian unstable
[18:25] <dato> (well, 1.1rc1, but the code is the same)
[18:25] <Peng> Oh, huh.
[18:25] <Verterok> aklaver: the 1.1 for Mac is *experimental* and only for ppc
[18:26] <aklaver> It would seem a project sponsored by Canonical would have the resources to keep its own distribution up to date.
[18:27] <beuno> aklaver, the packaging is done by volunteers actually
[18:27] <beuno> (most of it)
[18:27] <beuno> so it really depends on who has time
[18:27] <dato> beuno: but robert is in "charge" of the gutsy/feisty/dapper/whatnot backports
[18:27] <james_w> http://bazaar-vcs.org/releases/debs/dapper/bzr_1.0~rc1-3bazaar1_i386.deb
[18:28] <beuno> dato, right, just not sure if it's part of "his job" or if it's more of a volunteer thing
[18:28] <Verterok> what about PPA? https://launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive - http://ppa.launchpad.net/bzr/ubuntu
[18:28] <james_w> but I don't see a 1.1.
[18:28] <dato> some ubuntu person should step up and say, "I will take care of uploading from debian unstable to PPA as soon as the deb is out"
[18:28] <dato> the situation would improve a lot with that, it's my opinion
[18:29] <jelmer> dato: It's not the PPA that's the problem
[18:29] <jelmer> dato: It's the fact that there's only one person with access to the debs on bazaar-vcs.org
[18:29] <dato> I've already stated that I'd be happy to help with problems in those backports
[18:29] <dato> jelmer: yes, but there was talk on the list to move from debs on b-v.o, to ppa, completely
[18:30] <jelmer> dato: afaik that plan was never accepted though
[18:30] <beuno> and we all have access to ppa
[18:30] <Peng> Ooh, 1.1 debs are in PPA.
[18:30] <dato> jelmer: I think poolie has 60% happy about it, and robert wasn't
[18:30] <beuno> well, there is this email: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2008q1/036620.html
[18:31] <dato> beuno: I completely missed that mail
[18:31] <jelmer> same here
[18:32] <beuno> I poked the list for the same issue
[18:32] <beuno> I got that answer
[18:32] <jelmer> if the ppa is going to be used, it would be nice to have the old location marked as deprecated somehow
[18:32] <beuno> but no actual debs  :D
[18:32] <dato> no
[18:32] <dato> that mail doesn't say ppa is going to be used
[18:32] <dato> ?
[18:33] <dato> but it seems that it is
[18:33] <beuno> nope, I think he meant uploading to bazaar-vcs.org
[18:33] <dato> yeah, but https://launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive
[18:33] <beuno> but neither has happened, so I don't know
[18:33] <dato> what Peng said
[18:33] <beuno> aaaaah
[18:33] <beuno> right
[18:34] <beuno> then we're using PPA, and it hasn't been made public I guess
[18:35] <aklaver> So how do I go about setting up PPA as a repository to get packages from?
[18:35] <dato> but then http://bazaar-vcs.org/DistroDownloads needs updating
[18:35] <dato> aklaver: go to https://launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive, select your distro in the combo box
[18:36] <beuno> yeap, which is what my original email stated https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2008q1/036608.html
[18:36] <dato> I think dapper's is broken
[18:37] <dato> right, https://launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive/+build/493851
[18:37] <beuno> aklaver, did all this help?   :D
[18:39] <aklaver> Yes. I think the repository issue needs to be resolved. This is a project that is heavily promoted by Canonical.
[18:39] <aklaver> There should be a clear path to Ubuntu updates.
[18:39] <dato> aklaver: seems that it has been already, it's only the wiki page that needs updating
[18:42] <beuno> re-sent an email to the list to try and finally close this issue
[18:42] <jelmer> whoops, I just sent one as well
[18:43] <beuno> ah well, it won't hurt to make some noise on the subject  :p
[18:53] <jelmer> :-)
[19:06] <Flare183> Is there a frontend of bzr for KDE?
[19:06] <Peng> Flare183: QBzr?
[19:07] <schierbeck> hi y'all!
[19:07] <Flare183> Peng: thanks
[19:07] <dato> schierbeck: hey. hope you don't mind I bug you: I was using bzr viz yesterday, and I was missing a tooltip somewhere indicating the branch nick.
[19:08] <dato> schierbeck: I think it could be useful to have it somewhere.
[19:09] <schierbeck> hi dato, no not at all. i've actually been working on improving the tooltips in the viz, but i'd like to use the gtk API introduced in a later version of pygtk than is currently required by bzr-gtk
[19:10] <schierbeck> it's introduced in 2.12
[19:10] <schierbeck> but even with that version i find it a bit tricky -- it'll need some work
[19:11] <dato> aha
[19:12] <dato> schierbeck: and will that bump the requirement of the version, or can its presence be detected, and just disable that feature if it is not? (which I think it would be good)
[19:13] <schierbeck> data: it is entirely possible to do that, but i find that it increases the complexity of the code tremendously
[19:14] <schierbeck> i'd like to look in to the possibility of bumping the required version of pygtk to 2.12
[19:14] <schierbeck> i mean, is bzr-gtk even used on legacy systems?
[19:15] <dato> well, 2.12 is pretty recent, isn't it?
[19:15] <dato> well, "pretty"
[19:15] <dato> personally I do not care, since *I* have it, but seeing how many people ask for bzr debs <gutsy...
[19:16] <jelmer> schierbeck: if there's a good reason, I don't think it'd be a problem to require newer versions
[19:17] <schierbeck> jelmer: it would really help me implement advanced tooltips in the viz
[20:02] <schierbeck> dato: i've pushed a *very* early implementation of the new tooltips to: <http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dasch/bzr-gtk/tooltips>
[20:05] <deepjoy> schierbeck: The requested URL /00/00/21/a0 was not found on this server.
[20:06] <schierbeck> deepjoy: you have to use bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dasch/bzr-gtk/tooltips
[20:07] <schierbeck> the just symlink from .bazaar/plugins/gtk to the branch
[20:07] <schierbeck> *then
[20:07] <deepjoy> sorry
[20:07] <dato> schierbeck: ok. info looks good, only, tooltips should only appear over the node, not over anywhere in the line, no? (but I'm sure you're already aware ;)
[20:07] <schierbeck> np :)
[20:07] <deepjoy> ya figured that out
[20:07] <schierbeck> dato: yeah, i've tried to make it appear where i want, but i'm having some difficulties
[20:08] <schierbeck> gtk.TreeView.set_tooltip_row() doesn't seem to cut it
[20:11] <schierbeck> dato: fixed it!
[20:11] <schierbeck> you should be able to pull the new revision
[20:13] <schierbeck> jelmer: could i get you to take a look at a few patches sometime tonight?
[20:13] <schierbeck> i've sent them to the ml
[20:13] <jelmer> schierbeck: sure, will do
[20:13] <schierbeck> thanks :)
[20:16] <dato> schierbeck: I see. well, what I meant is that hovering the mouse *anywhere* in the line pops up a tooltip, which IMHO is not desirable. I think tooltips should show only over specific parts of the line, eg. the colored node.
[20:16] <schierbeck> dato: hmm
[20:16] <dato> schierbeck: try to move the cursor around a bit, slowly.
[20:17] <schierbeck> i disagree -- each row represents a single revision, and it's only natural that the tooltip for a row show the metadata for that revision
[20:17] <schierbeck> dato: i think that behavior is desirable
[20:18] <dato> ok, then let's just disagree
[20:18] <schierbeck> ok :)
[20:19] <schierbeck> it's just that people don't always understand why only some parts of a row has a tooltip -- it's better to help them out
[20:19] <misaka> Does anyone have any suggestions on how to use 'version-info' in a rails project?
[20:19] <misaka> I don't see a '--format=ruby', for example.
[20:21] <dato> misaka: but there is --template
[20:21] <misaka> Is that in 1.x?
[20:21] <dato> yes
[20:21] <misaka> I've only got 0.9* here, don't see --template with version-info.
[20:21] <dato> at least
[20:22] <dato> misaka: it's 1.1, sorry
[20:22] <misaka> *nod*
[20:22] <misaka> Well, that's a good start, but ... hrm.
[20:23] <misaka> How about an automatic way to keep a file up-to-date with the latest version-info?
[20:23] <misaka> I saw the suggestion about using it in 'make' but it'd be nice if that was up-to-date with each update ...
[20:23]  * misaka hasn't looked into what kind of hooks bzr might expose yet.
[20:25] <schierbeck> misaka: have you tried parsin it as YAML?
[20:25] <schierbeck> *parsing
[20:25] <schierbeck> it looks compatible
[20:26] <schierbeck> then you'll get a nice Hash object to work with
[20:26] <misaka> Huh, there's a point.
[20:26] <misaka> I'll give that a go.
[20:26] <misaka> Thanks, nice one.
[20:26] <schierbeck> no problem
[20:28] <schierbeck> misaka: you could also use an autogen script to write the version info to a YAML file
[20:28] <schierbeck> bzr --version-info > version-info.yml
[20:28] <schierbeck> and then read it at runtime
[20:30] <misaka> Not familiar with autogen ...
[20:30] <schierbeck> it's just a bash script in the root of your project dir
[20:30] <schierbeck> called autogen.sh
[20:32] <asabil> hi all
[20:32] <asabil> any plans to have tags displayed in bzr visualize ?
[20:32] <misaka> scheirbek - Thanks, will check it out.
[20:32] <schierbeck> asabil: yes
[20:32] <schierbeck> asabil: have you tried out trunk?
[20:32] <asabil> schierbeck: any branch already providing this
[20:32] <asabil> no didn'y do yet
[20:33] <asabil> I just checked out the code to try to implement it
[20:33] <asabil> is it already implemented ?
[20:33] <schierbeck> asabil: some aspects of it
[20:33] <asabil> can you elaborate please ?
[20:34] <schierbeck> try "mkdir -p .bazaar/plugins && cd .bazaar/plugins && bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr-gtk/bzr-gtk/trunk gtk"
[20:34] <misaka> scheirbeck - About autogen.sh, is this something bzr or rails would run, or would it be by hand?
[20:35] <schierbeck> asabil: well, there's a menu that lets you go to a revision by tag name, and the revision info pane displays the associated tags
[20:35] <schierbeck> misaka: it's something you run before releasing
[20:35] <misaka> Right.
[20:35] <schierbeck> it's customary on autotools projects
[20:35] <misaka> Ya, this being a rails project I'd probably make that a rake task, that's one way to do it.
[20:36] <schierbeck> misaka: but if it's a ruby project, you might as well make it a Rake target
[20:36] <schierbeck> :)
[20:36] <schierbeck> is there a "release" task in Rails?
[20:36] <misaka> But I'm going to check out the bzr hooks to see if I can try to keep it up-to-date automagically.
[20:36] <asabil> wow
[20:36] <misaka> schierbeck - No, not really.
[20:36] <asabil> the new bzr vis is awesome
[20:36] <misaka> scheirbeck - You'd be more likely to put it into capistrano, or whatever deployment/release process you use.
[20:36] <schierbeck> misaka: well, okay
[20:37] <schierbeck> misaka: tell me about it :D
[20:37] <schierbeck> sorry, asabil: *
[20:37] <asabil> heh, why sorry ?
[20:38] <schierbeck> asabil: the message was meant for you, not misaka
[20:38] <schierbeck> :)
[20:38] <asabil> oh I just like the UI
[20:38] <asabil> looks better and more user friendly
[20:39] <asabil> I would however try to add something to the graph
[20:39] <asabil> for example having a big dot inside tagged revisions can be better
[20:43] <misaka> re: plugins, do I understand right that bzrlib/plugins can exist in the project root?
[20:48] <schierbeck> asabil: yeah, i'm thinking that, too
[20:48] <james_w> misaka: no. It's user wide or system wide.
[20:48] <schierbeck> i've got a branch where there's an icon on the row if the revision is tagged
[20:49] <schierbeck> jelmer: fuck, i've forgotten my username for bundle buggy -- is it your email or what?
[20:50] <jelmer> schierbeck: it's "dasch", apparently
[20:50] <schierbeck> then what the hell is my password...
[20:50] <schierbeck> i'll just keep trying
[20:50] <jelmer> see privmsg
[20:54] <asabil> schierbeck: can you point me to that branch ?
[20:54] <schierbeck> asabil: 1 min.
[20:59] <schierbeck> asabil: it's at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dasch/bzr-gtk/viz-tags
[20:59] <schierbeck> asabil: cd .bazaar/plugins/gtk && bzr merge http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dasch/bzr-gtk/viz-tags
[21:00] <asabil> schierbeck: seems like the branch is ... gone
[21:01] <asabil> no is ok forget it
[21:01] <schierbeck> :)
[21:02] <asabil> hmmm, that's not exactly how I saw it
[21:02] <schierbeck> i'm not sure changing the revision graph nodes will be enough
[21:03] <schierbeck> (oh, by the way, the icon is way off -- we'll need a real "tag" icon)
[21:05] <asabil> why would it not be enough ?
[21:05] <asabil> the tag column is ... I don't know
[21:08] <jelmer> schierbeck: Have you seen how giggle displays tags?
[21:09] <jelmer> That's the sort of thing I'd prefer to see for viz as well
[21:10] <jelmer> let me see if I can add a screenshot
[21:10] <schierbeck> i've got it right here
[21:11] <schierbeck> yeah, they have a treeview column with icons
[21:11] <jelmer> hmm, maybe I'm confusing it with something else then
[21:11] <schierbeck> and a tooltip displaying the tags when hovering the icon
[21:12] <schierbeck> i think gitk has small labels on the revision graph indicating the tags
[21:12] <jelmer> ah, I think gitk is the one I mean then
[21:12] <asabil> that's how I would prefer it as well :D
[21:13] <schierbeck> yeah, that's pretty cool
[21:13] <jelmer> man, giggle has gotten slow
[21:14] <schierbeck> yup
[21:14] <asabil> http://www.jrock.us/branching.png
[21:14] <schierbeck> well, i definitely think we should go the gitk way regarding tags, but it'll take some work
[21:15] <schierbeck> but dear god gitk is ugly
[21:15] <schierbeck> it's almost unbelievable
[21:18] <jelmer> well, it's a tk app
[21:18] <jelmer> they're bound to be ugly
[21:18] <jelmer> :-P
[21:23] <schierbeck> yup
[21:30] <awmcclain> Hey all... I have an SVN repo that looks like /projA/[trunk|branches|tags} /projB etc. I want to convert just projA into bzr... can I do that by using bzr2svn on a SVN working directory ?
[21:31] <awmcclain> * svn2bzr
[21:32] <Peng> bzr-svn is more popular now.
[21:32] <Peng> Not that that's very helpful.
[21:32] <Peng> You could always just try it. At worst, you'll waste some bandwidth and time.
[21:34] <awmcclain> Peng: Ah... so I'd use bzr-svn to create a bzr branch and then work from there?
[21:35] <Peng> Yes.
[21:35] <Peng> bzr-svn is a bit of a pain to install though.
[21:36] <jelmer> peng: That heavily depends on your platform
[21:37] <awmcclain> Well, here goes.
[21:37] <jelmer> it should be quite easy for SuSE, Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo Linux and Windows. Other platforms may be harder
[21:38] <awmcclain> jelmer: is there a package for ubuntu?
[21:38] <jelmer> awmcclain: yes, in universe
[21:38] <Peng> jelmer: The svn bindings have been patched?
[21:38] <awmcclain> jelmer: Do you know offhand if it's compatible w/ bzr 1.1?
[21:39] <jelmer> Peng: Yes, Ubuntu feisty was the first that included the patches
[21:39] <asabil> hmm, doesn bzr-svn still have the huge memory leak ?
[21:39] <jelmer> asabil: that's been fixed although the fix is not included in the python-subversion packages yet
[21:40] <asabil> ok nice to hear :)
[21:40] <Peng> jelmer: Cool.
[21:40] <asabil> still, last time I tried (on gutsy), I found bzr-svn still quite slow :/
[21:40] <jelmer> asabil: an updated version will be uploaded to hardy in the next couple of days
[21:42] <awmcclain> Is bzr-svn a pure python package? Can i get 0.4.6 using easy_install?
[21:42] <jelmer> awmcclain: There is a package for bzr-svn compatible with bzr 1.0 in my debian repository at http://samba.org/~jelmer/debian/
[21:43] <awmcclain> jelmer: I just install 1.1, will that matter?
[21:43] <awmcclain> *installed
[21:44] <jelmer> awmcclain: yes, it'll work with 1.1
[21:46] <awmcclain> jelmer: Fantastic. Thank you
[21:53] <asabil> schierbeck: http://ifaedi/~asabil/bzr-viz-tags.png
[21:53] <schierbeck> asabil: you got a proper URL? :)
[21:54] <asabil> oups sorry
[21:54] <schierbeck> np
[21:55] <asabil> oups
[21:55]  * asabil wonders why ctrl+a behaves like ctrl+q sometimes
[21:55] <asabil> schierbeck: http://ifaedi.insa-lyon.fr/~asabil/bzr-viz-tags.png
[21:56] <schierbeck> asabil: is that working code?
[21:56] <asabil> yes
[21:56] <schierbeck> it looks pretty good
[21:56] <asabil> I just cooked up something quickly
[21:57] <schierbeck> can you try drawing a square instead of a circle, and remove the dot?
[21:57] <asabil> I was more thinking about putting a pixbuf next to it
[21:57] <asabil> with a small tag icon
[21:57] <asabil> and remove the dot
[21:58] <schierbeck> asabil: even better
[21:58] <schierbeck> especially if you can write the tag text inside it
[21:59] <asabil> not sure it is a good idea
[21:59] <asabil> because technically speaking a revision can have multiple tags
[21:59] <asabil> but let me try :D
[22:00] <awmcclain> jelmer: I should follow the key installation instructions @ http://samba.org/~jelmer/debian/ in order to use apt-get on ubuntu, correct?
[22:00] <schierbeck> asabil: they should be stacked next to each other
[22:01] <asabil> ok will try
[22:01] <jelmer> awmcclain: without works as well, but apt will give warnings about using untrusted packages
[22:03] <awmcclain> jelmer: Ok, that's fine. Do I just add your url to my sources list? (Sorry, I'm not familiar with getting packages from other sources on apt-get)
[22:03] <jelmer> awmcclain: See the instructions at that url
[22:04] <jelmer> add the following line to /etc/apt/sources.list:
[22:04] <jelmer> deb http://samba.org/~jelmer/debian/ unstable/
[22:04] <awmcclain> Ahhhh
[22:04] <awmcclain> Ok, sorry
[22:07] <awmcclain> Ah, ok. perfect. gpg is giving me "no option --export-keys"
[22:07] <schierbeck> awmcclain: just use --export
[22:07] <awmcclain> done
[22:07] <awmcclain> ty
[22:07] <schierbeck> np
[22:12] <awmcclain> ug, of course, since I installed bzr 1.1 from source it's complaining i don't have the package installed. Prehaps I'll just go from source. :)
[22:52] <asabil> schierbeck: http://ifaedi.insa-lyon.fr/~asabil/bzr-viz-tags.png
[23:07] <igc> poolie: call on now?
[23:07] <poolie> igc, hi
[23:07] <poolie> i'm at the sprint...
[23:07] <poolie> sorry
[23:07] <poolie> will call you
[23:07] <igc> np
[23:08] <awmcclain> If we're implementing a mainline workflow, it makes sense to serve a shared-repository, right?
[23:11] <poolie> will call back
[23:11] <poolie> awmcclain, yes,
[23:12] <igc> poolie:dropped out ...
[23:12] <awmcclain> poolie: I'm reading http://bazaar-vcs.org/SharedRepositoryTutorial now. Do I need to do something special if I've just created a branch from an SVN server using bzr-svn?
[23:12] <LeoNerd> Lots of bzr-svn questions lately...
[23:23] <Niklas_TechWorld> Is it good practise to have one bzr-repo per package? Or is that overkill? Im working on a project that I want to divide in 3 .deb - would you suggest I set up a x-repo/x-trunk for each of the .deb?
[23:25] <radix> Niklas_TechWorld: I have a directory structure like ~/Projects/ProjectName/{trunk,other_branches}, and each ProjectName is its own bzr repository
[23:25] <radix> Niklas_TechWorld: I'm not sure how this matches up with your use case of .deb packaging, but I would generally just build a .deb from a particular revision of trunk.
[23:26] <Niklas_TechWorld> radix: Ok, so I guess you suggest me to split it up! Thanks for that. I thought that would be the best as well after having a look at the documentation. Thanks a lot!
[23:26] <poolie> Niklas_TechWorld, i think either way would be ok
[23:26] <poolie> if they're closely related i'd have just one, otherwise split it up
[23:27] <Niklas_TechWorld> radix: I agree. One project = one deb = one repository.
[23:27] <Niklas_TechWorld> poolie: Yeah, I was just wondering for consistency sake :)


[00:02] <valdur55> eggzeck, make alias and then you can copy-paste terminal commands: alias leafpad=vi
[01:55] <moes> I have a cd of lubuntu-10.10...When I boot in a high end computer the o/s specs are lubuntu-10.10...when I boot to a low end pc the specs are ubuntu-10.10...Why are they different ???
[11:12] <Pentium-M> hi
[11:13] <Pentium-M> I'm using a pentium-M (centrino) notebook, and I'm wondering whether or not 12.04 is going to fully support this platform.
[11:14] <Pentium-M> Or should I better turn to Debian ?
[11:15] <Pentium-M> I ran into this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/930447
[11:17] <Pentium-M> I mean, this defeats the purpose of lubuntu, doesn't it?
[11:21] <Pentium-M> anybody?
[11:22] <head_victim> Pentium-M: there are alternative ways to install it on a non pae kernel.
[11:22] <Pentium-M> hello head_victim. how?
[11:22] <head_victim> The one I'm aware of off the top of my head is using the mini ISO to install with.
[11:24] <Pentium-M> isn't lubuntu a ubuntu variant that's targeted at low-and hardware? Why should I have to go through a two step install process?
[11:25] <head_victim> Pentium-M: because like you said, Lubuntu is a Ubuntu variant. Lubuntu is not a stand alone distribution and when Ubuntu decides to change things up Lubuntu either has to either support the old way themselves of follow suit.
[11:25] <head_victim> Currently there are not enough developers to support such a large task of supporting a kernel through a life cycle so Lubuntu is following suit.
[11:28] <Pentium-M> The rationale of declaring non-PAE machines absolete is that their graphics isn't powerful enough to run Unity, and 12.04 will be the last version to support non-PAE if users do an upgrade from 11.10 or 10.04. This means that Lubuntu as of 12.10 is dead. Right?
[11:28] <head_victim> No, not at all. Like I said previously there are methods to solve this. Also most of Lubuntu's target market DOES have pae.
[11:30] <Pentium-M> The 3 notebooks I have don't have PAE. Otherwise they run 11.10 just fine.
[11:30] <head_victim> If you feel strongly about it feel free to volunteer time to support a non pae kernel.
[11:32] <Pentium-M> That's not a question of feeling strongly about it. It's a question of whether or not I can use Ubuntu in the future.
[11:32] <head_victim> We're going in circles here. I've mentioned there are ways around it so obviously you can continue to use Lubuntu as long as you want. If you find something else that fits your purpose better feel free to use that.
[11:33] <Pentium-M> Thanks for your time  :-)
[12:14] <G1lbert> Hello There, i was here yesterday, but the tips i got didnt help. so i give it another try ;-)
[12:14] <G1lbert> i have a problem booting from live cd. (asus eeepc 1101ha with gma500 graphic)
[12:14] <G1lbert> tried to boot wit test / install  with and without nomodeset. result is: boot into console, Xorg.log say there are screens but without valid config.
[12:15] <G1lbert> booting with acpi=off get a step further but ending in a blank white screen and a freezed system
[12:15] <G1lbert> the liev eusb stick is ok, can use it without any problem on another notebook
[12:16] <G1lbert> any tips ore directions ?
[12:16] <G1lbert> ah forget, using x86 lubuntu 11.10
[12:18] <G1lbert> startx  doenst work, same error in log
[12:46] <Gilbert1> so, . .joint the chat wit another notebook so i can play around with the one i have problems with.
[13:43] <G1lbert> .
[13:44] <bloodyskies> Hi
[13:45] <bloodyskies> I'm wondering if someone can help me.. I'd like to install Lubuntu to an SD card and boot using Grub installed on the HDD (my IBM Thinkpad X40 won't boot from SD card). Does anyone know if this has/can be done?
[13:46] <bloodyskies> The hard drive is painfully slow, and running from USB is much quicker. However, I don't really want a USB card sticking out of the side all the time, and the sd card is flush with the laptop
[13:48] <iceroot> bloodyskies: its possible, install the system to the sd card and grub to the hdd
[13:49] <iceroot> bloodyskies: the installer has an option in the grub-installation where you want to put grub
[13:50] <bloodyskies>  how do I do that? The installer doesn't see the SD card?
[13:50] <iceroot> bloodyskies: sounds like your card-reader is not supported
[13:51] <iceroot> bloodyskies: by the kernel
[13:51] <bloodyskies> Ah
[13:51] <bloodyskies> is there anyway to check?
[13:51] <iceroot> bloodyskies: start a live-cd and check if ubuntu wants to install additional drivers
[13:52] <iceroot> bloodyskies: also the ubuntu forums are a good place for searching
[13:52] <bloodyskies> no, I don't believe it did
[13:52] <bloodyskies> (I used a live usd to instlal lubuntu to the hdd)
[13:52] <bloodyskies> usb
[13:52] <iceroot> bloodyskies: have a look about "x40 ubuntu sd card"
[13:53] <iceroot> bloodyskies: when you boot the installed system from the hdd is the sc card seen?
[13:53] <bloodyskies> yes
[13:53] <iceroot> bloodyskies: you upgraded the kernel there?
[13:53] <iceroot> bloodyskies: or is it a fresh install without updates?
[13:54] <bloodyskies> nope, I installed lubuntu 11.10, I didn't have to do anything with drivers at all
[13:55] <bloodyskies> I've previously had to use thing slike ndiswrapper to get wifi working with broadcom, but everything worked on the x40 straight away
[13:55] <bloodyskies> just did a fresh install, I don't think I updated as part of it, but couldn't be 100% certain
[13:56] <iceroot> bloodyskies: what is the output of "uname -r"
[13:56] <bloodyskies> 2.6.38-8-generic
[13:56] <iceroot> !info linux-image-generic
[13:56] <iceroot> bloodyskies: that is not 11.10
[13:56] <iceroot> bloodyskies: sounds like 11.04
[13:56] <bloodyskies> oh
[13:57] <bloodyskies> apologies
[13:57] <iceroot> !info linux-image-generic natty
[13:57] <iceroot> 11.04 with security issues :)
[13:57] <iceroot> bloodyskies: but you are using a 11.10 cd for installing?
[13:58] <bloodyskies> no, I used unetbootin to create a liveusb
[13:58] <iceroot> bloodyskies: from what version?
[13:58] <iceroot> bloodyskies: the one you are trying to install on sd card
[13:58] <bloodyskies> yes
[13:58] <G1lbert> hey there, just whant to tell. got my live usb running on the eeepc 1101ha and gma500
[13:58] <iceroot> bloodyskies: that was not a question you can answer with yes/no
[13:58] <bloodyskies> oh
[13:59] <G1lbert> nee do ad some invalid paramters to the boot options
[13:59] <bloodyskies> sorry, I meant yes, the one I'm trying to install
[13:59] <iceroot> bloodyskies: what ubuntu version you are trying to install on your sc card
[13:59] <iceroot> bloodyskies: 11.04, 11.10?
[13:59] <G1lbert> pulsbo.dummy=1 & psb_gfx.dummy=1
[13:59] <G1lbert> to isbla eloading both modules
[13:59] <bloodyskies> is there a way to check looking at files on the usb stick?
[13:59] <G1lbert> now X starts
[13:59] <iceroot> bloodyskies: i dont know
[14:00] <iceroot> bloodyskies: dont know the layout of a cd
[14:00] <iceroot> bloodyskies: just use the latest ubuntu cd and try it
[14:00] <bloodyskies> unfortunately I don't have the iso anymore - I created the USB using Ubuntu installed on this HDD :(
[14:01] <bloodyskies> sounds like a plan..
[14:01] <iceroot> bloodyskies: the version is maybe to old for your sc controller
[14:01] <iceroot> bloodyskies: please try ubuntu 11.10
[14:01] <bloodyskies> will do
[14:01] <bloodyskies> thanks for your help
[14:04] <G1lbert> gma500 & linux seems to be pain in the ass ...
[14:04] <iceroot> what are my options to debug applets running in lxpanel?
[16:24] <milen8204> hello all, how can I make to start bash script when Lubuntu starts ?
[16:28] <G1lbert1> hello there, maybe this helps: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1604211
[16:29] <milen8204> thanks G1lbert1
[16:29] <G1lbert1> and there is another way, under settings > Sessionsettings
[16:31] <holstein> its all open, so theoretically, theres always another way... /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart is a good way to do it G1lbert1
[16:31] <milen8204> ok
[16:31] <milen8204> G1lbert1, holstein  тханкс
[16:31] <milen8204> thanks*
[16:32] <G1lbert1> by the way, .. is there a german lubuntu chan ?
[16:33] <holstein> G1lbert1: pretty sure theres just the main channel for ubuntu in that and mose other languages, but it shouldnt be OT to talk aobut lubuntu/LXDE there
[16:33] <holstein> most other**
[16:34] <G1lbert1> thx holstein
[16:38] <milen8204> G1lbert1, just paste the script in autostart file and save it ??
[16:38] <milen8204> Is that all what I must do ?
[16:39] <holstein> milen8204: you make a backup.. you understang the process of recovering that file from a LIVE cd *if* you break something... then you can just test :)
[16:41] <milen8204> holstein, I am not so sure that I can understan but . I thing I reach autostart file trough Live CD and fixe it :D
[16:41] <milen8204> Ican reach
[16:41] <milen8204> it
[16:48] <milen8204> holstein, does not work
[16:48] <milen8204> whit autostart file
[16:54] <milen8204> G1lbert1, If I place the file whit extension .sh in to /etc/xdg/autostart
[16:55] <milen8204> should the things bew ok ?
[16:55] <milen8204> or I am wrong ?
[16:58] <Flazer> anyone have any insight to built in SD card readers not working?
[16:59] <holstein> milen8204: i remember just poking around in lubuntu/LXDE and finding an autostart session GUI
[17:00] <holstein> i was adding compiz to it, and it worked fine...
[17:01] <holstein> maybe i just added "@compiz --replace" to /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[17:01] <holstein> when i was testing, i ran compiz --replace *not* as a startup to see how and if it was going to work... ifyou have a bunk script, or a bad command, it wont do anything is startup
[17:02] <holstein> i would test the command in the terminal... i would be familiar with how to get to TTY if something breaks and you need to kill something or sudo shutdown -h now
[17:03] <holstein> i would clearly state here what you are trying to autostart and how/why... maybe theres a known issue
[17:04] <milen8204> ok thanks
[17:13] <moes> I am using lubuntu-10.10 live cd...When I boot from a high end pc at boot I get the lubuntu -10.10 logo and the o/s shows to be lubuntu-10.10...when I boot from a low end pc the logo is the purple ubuntu-10.10 logo and the o/s shows to be ubuntu-10.10...Why is this happening ???
[17:17] <milen8204> holstein, I have an idea. I can copy and then modify some of .desktop files in /etc/xdg/autostart and make it starts my wallpaper.sh file :D. What are you going to say about that ?
[17:19] <holstein> milen8204: what wallpapre.sh? is it working from the commandline?..
[17:19] <milen8204> yes
[17:19] <milen8204> whan i start it whit terminal it works great
[17:20] <milen8204> but I want to starts automaticly whit Lubuntu starting :D
[17:29] <milen8204> holstein,  should i type @ infront of my comand in /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart file ?
[17:34] <milen8204> holstein, I done it :D
[17:35] <milen8204> holstein,  I have typed bash ..../wallpaper.sh in  /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart file and it works fine :D thanks for the help :)
[17:36] <holstein> milen8204: cool! ... enjoy :)
[17:37] <milen8204> thanks
[17:42] <moes>  I am using lubuntu-10.10 live cd...When I boot from a high end pc at boot I get the lubuntu -10.10 logo and the o/s shows to be lubuntu-10.10...when I boot from a low end pc the logo is the purple ubuntu-10.10 logo and the o/s shows to be ubuntu-10.10...Why is this happening ???
[17:48] <phillw> moes: this is a long shot..... Can you see if the low end pc supports pae?
[17:52] <moes> phillw, I will have to check that out..not sure wether it does or not !!
[18:42] <milen8204> hello all how can I set the desktop changing ?
[18:43] <milen8204> Now I change betwen desktop 1 and desktop 2 whit mouse ruler, I want to change that , anyone knows how ?
[18:54] <milen8204> how can I install spelling in X-chat ?
[18:56] <Unit193> http://toxin.jottit.com/xchat_spell_checking That should do it.
[19:13] <milen8204> Why my x-chat does not check my spell when i have been ticked settings>preferences>intercace>input box spell cheking ?
[19:13] <milen8204> #x-chat
[19:13] <Unit193> You may need some other packag.... That'll do better, yep.
[19:14] <milen8204> Unit193: which is ?
[19:14] <Unit193> You just said, the channel #xchat
[19:33] <milen8204> anyone have problem whit spellcheking in xchat ?
[19:38] <milen8204> anyone knows how to set my desktops not changing whit mouse wheel
[19:42] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#The_scroll_button_on_your_mouse_keeps_changing_the_Desktop_Workspace_even_when_you.27re_scrolling_through_a_folder_or_file.
[19:46] <milen8204> Unit193: thanks
[20:01] <milen8204> Unit193: I haven`t that problem
[20:02] <milen8204> I want to change desktops whit onother key, fot example Ctrl+ALt+Left


[08:37] <oSoMoN> pitti, can the failing autopkgtest for qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu that prevents the migration of webbrowser-app from -proposed be retried? ( http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#webbrowser-app )
[08:38] <oSoMoN> according to jibel it’s a problem with the shutdown of the testbed, unrelated to webbrowser-app
[08:52] <pitti> oSoMoN: oh, absolutely; retried
[08:52] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[16:07] <flocculant> balloons: how's the tracker sorting out going?
[16:30] <balloons> flocculant, I've been knocked out being sick. But I think the original overhaul plan is still valid
[16:44] <damascene> Hope you feel better
[16:46] <flocculant> balloons: :(
[16:50] <flocculant> yea probably - ftr http://pad.ubuntu.com/qatrackerlogins is what I'm seeing currently for both trackers
[20:31] <mwhudson> so i spent a day last week largely failing to get adt-run to work for me
[20:31] <mwhudson> is there someone around who can help with it?


[00:07] <bluesabre> flocculant: commented again on bug 1513590 and marked invalid for the project. If you agree, we can also mark the Ubuntu report as such.
[00:09] <bluesabre> flocculant: unable to reproduce bug 1515184
[00:09] <bluesabre> maybe somebody else from !team would like to take a peek
[00:11] <bluesabre> and that basically leaves thunar
[00:12] <bluesabre> and libreoffice
[00:12] <bluesabre> two things I am unlikely able to fix :D
[00:18] <bluesabre> going to test the existing patches to see if any of those thunar bugs (all really the same bug) are lessened
[00:23] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh, I turned on ddebs for one of the PPAs, and disabled skippy-xd.
[00:24] <bluesabre> Unit193: ddebs?
[00:24] <Unit193> Automatic -dbg packages called -dbgsym, or something like that.
[00:29] <krytarik> bluesabre: Regarding your translations shuffling, that's not necessary: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline
[00:38] <bluesabre> ah
[00:38] <bluesabre> well, suppose I'll push an xfpanel-switch update then for funsies
[00:41] <krytarik> \o/
[01:12] <bluesabre> while trying to recreate the thunar bug... I may have found a new one
[01:12] <bluesabre> when will the madness end
[01:12] <bluesabre> :D
[01:14] <drc> When you stop trying to fix things...if debugging is the art of taking out bugs, then coding is the art of putting in bugs :)
[01:14] <Unit193> Craaaap. :P
[01:21] <bluesabre> bug 1570153
[01:52] <bluesabre> xfpanel-switch uploaded, we'll see what happens next
[01:52] <Unit193> Uploading Virii?
[01:53] <bluesabre> >.>
[01:58] <bluesabre> that's probably it for uploads... tomorrow final freeze goes into effect (likely before I get home)
[01:59] <bluesabre> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FinalFreeze)
[02:00] <bluesabre> maybe we'll figure out thunar before release :)
[02:00] <Unit193> Eh...
[05:07] <pavlushka> Hello every one!
[05:07] <pavlushka> How can I request to add an keyboard layout to Xubuntu?
[05:07] <pavlushka> the alpha 16.04 was supporting it but in beta, its gone.
[05:13] <pavlushka> topic 2: echo lines are not there before booting kernel and initrd image in grub, its good to know whats happening so I had to re-edit that.
[05:15] <pavlushka> fyi, I use Bengali Jatiya Keyboard Layout.
[05:15] <pavlushka> for typing Bengali.
[05:16] <pavlushka> http://www.ekushey.org/?page/national_layout
[05:22] <pavlushka> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengali_input_methods
[06:26] <flocculant> bluesabre: 1513590 yup mark it invalid for ubuntu too and thanks for having a look at 1515184 too
[10:29] <Reklan> flocc
[10:30] <Reklan> flocculant, Tried to reproduce bug 1571053 unable to do so in a VM or on Hardware.. moved the files well over 100 continuously.
[10:31] <Reklan> bug 1570153 that is
[10:31] <Reklan> Thunar crashes when moving files with SIGSEGV in __GI___libc_free()
[10:42] <bluesabre> slickymaster: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfpanel-switch/1.0.4-0ubuntu1
[10:43] <bluesabre> knome, flocculant: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/16.04.5
[11:04] <flocculant> bluesabre: nice :)
[11:04] <flocculant> Reklan: thanks for checking that
[11:05] <flocculant> seems to be one of those thunar sometimes people see it things :(
[11:22] <bluesabre> flocculant: so, if that lands in time for the image, we can kick the duplicate imagemagick entries from the bug list
[11:22] <flocculant> yup :)
[11:23] <flocculant> I think once we move out of 16.04 we really need to think about thunar
[11:24] <flocculant> and you were completely right in -offtopic :p
[11:24] <bluesabre> yes
[11:24] <bluesabre> :D
[11:24] <flocculant> I did have a quick look at caja and nemo (Ithink those are the names) as well as pcmanfm
[11:25] <flocculant> mostly to prove my usb3 issue was everywhere - one looked more of a fit to us visually than the others
[11:25] <bluesabre> caja and nemo are a bit more polished, definitely
[11:26] <flocculant> right
[11:27] <flocculant> bluesabre: and that LO theme thing is a bit odd - I did 6 or so yesterday - same thing in all of them
[11:27] <flocculant> and was apparently like it for a while - I just missed it - saw it wasn't breeze and thought no more of it
[11:27] <bluesabre> flocculant: yeah, its probably a bug that is actually in libreoffice... it picks randomly from whats available, and galaxy comes with lo
[11:28] <flocculant> right
[11:29] <bluesabre> there might be something we can do to lock that in the config, but it would probably be ugly
[11:29] <flocculant> mmm
[11:29] <flocculant> I guess we should think about that though even if it is
[11:29] <flocculant> would make it pointless to have elementary at all otherwise
[11:30] <bluesabre> indeed
[11:30] <flocculant> *though* people could at least use it
[11:30] <bluesabre> I can experiment with it
[11:30] <flocculant> my fault - should have caught that before
[11:31] <bluesabre> its hit and miss, could be most folks are seeing the elementary theme and just a few are not
[11:32] <flocculant> could be
[11:32] <flocculant> at least you saw something different to me
[11:32] <flocculant> anyway - end result is it's *now* and we have it to try and work out lol
[11:33] <flocculant> off again now - bbl
[12:39] <Reklan> flocculant, just doing todays iso, as we are nearing the RC, do you want ALL bugs reporting (i.e VM reboot, Ubuntu 1 BMarks etc) or just the  newer ones.. i.e Static IP box, and LO elementary theme..
[12:43] <Reklan> nvm didn't see you gone.. will add all of them.. you can always delete them  :-)
[15:46] <pavlushka>  repositories are not working. no ping from repository, mtr tool can trace it with ip!!!
[15:58] <pavlushka> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15832837/
[16:07] <PaulW2U> pavlushka: May be a local problem? I've downloaded today's updates using both the "main" and GB settings for the Ubuntu repositories.
[16:34] <flocculant> reklan - just in case you read logs: report what you see even if it's old, put it on tracker
[16:34] <flocculant> the chance of fixing things diminish rapidly now - but we can put things on release notes so people are aware
[16:35] <flocculant> you can report the vbox reboot if you want - that's one I *will* ignore - it has a special status on release notes @LEAVE THIS ONE FOREVER PROBABLY :p
[17:20] <knome> bluesabre, saw that, thank
[17:20] <knome> +s
[18:12] <flocculant> anyone know the mechanism behind being subscribed to a bug
[18:12] <flocculant> that is if 'xubuntu bugs' isn't auto subscribed to something here https://bugs.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs would the person reporting have to physically subscribe someone to it?
[18:13] <flocculant> talking launchpad here
[19:07] <krytarik> flocculant: Unless the bug report is linked anywhere else, like the QA trackers, or another person/team relevant to the package is subscribed to it, it'd seem yes.
[19:16] <flocculant> krytarik: that's what I thought
[19:23] <flocculant> and if it's tracker it says so "This bug has been reported on the Ubuntu Package testing tracker."
[19:24] <flocculant> but it doesn't actually subscribe you - it just reports to LP if tracker is involved
[19:24] <flocculant> so if it's one of our packages we're subscribed to I'd see
[19:25] <flocculant> another reason why reports there work :)
[19:33] <flocculant> knome: made a couple of minor changes to other mm's
[19:34] <knome> flocculant, k
[19:35] <knome> going to publish it next
[19:35] <knome> flocculant, oh, straight to x.org? nice
[19:35] <flocculant> knome: the small details - for after release, things like how do people change the way the power icon shows different options - which is currently a command to add to settings then you can fiddle in settings editor
[19:35] <flocculant> just a thought
[19:36] <knome> yes, we can do more of them
[19:36] <flocculant> knome: yea - when I know it's on x.org I'll do changes there :)
[19:36] <knome> pleia2, social media time
[19:37] <knome> pleia2, https://xubuntu.org/news/my-media-manager-other-alternatives/ is out and tweeted
[19:38] <pleia2> k
[19:40] <flocculant> I do wonder why there's the option to change the wallpaper in seconds
[19:41] <flocculant> knome: and checked wallpapers (again I think but nvm:)
[19:41] <knome> :D
[19:43] <pleia2> it's on g+ and fb now
[19:43] <flocculant> pleia2: thanks :)
[19:45] <knome> pleia2, mind pasting the links here so i can forward to those who participated in creating the article?
[19:46] <pleia2> https://www.facebook.com/xubuntuusers/posts/968719729843601
[19:46] <pleia2> https://plus.google.com/+xubuntu/posts/QxAjnMNk4of
[19:47] <knome> thanks
[19:47] <pleia2> no login walls, yay
[19:47] <flocculant> :)
[19:50] <knome> twitter tells me 54% of our audience buys cheese.
[19:50] <knome> and only 49% chocolate candy
[19:50] <flocculant> got to be wrong
[19:50] <knome> audience being followers
[19:50] <davmor2> knome: so you're saying twitter is full of mice
[19:51]  * knome shrugs
[19:51] <knome> no idea
[19:53] <flocculant> well
[19:53] <flocculant> if 100% of twitter followers ate grass you could use that argument
[19:53] <knome> ;)
[19:54] <davmor2> flocculant: no then I'd say they were cows not mice :P
[19:55] <knome> or hippied
[19:55] <knome> hippies too
[19:56] <flocculant> davmor2: or sheep
[19:56] <flocculant> not *our* followers in particular you understand
[19:56] <davmor2> flocculant: That would be a better metaphor I guess
[19:57] <flocculant> :)
[19:57] <davmor2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkCwFkOZoOY
[19:57] <davmor2> flocculant: ^
[20:02] <flocculant> if that's shawn ...
[20:03] <flocculant> phew ...
[20:22] <flocculant> think I'll grab someone else's image and hope the suspend/cursor thing is global
[20:22] <flocculant> eeny meeny miny mo ...
[20:23] <Unit193> Kubuntu.
[20:25] <flocculant> ubuntu
[20:26] <flocculant> if it affects ubuntu more chance of it getting fixed :p
[20:29] <flocculant> and evening Unit193 :)
[20:29] <Unit193> Howdy.
[20:47] <ochosi> late evening all
[20:48] <flocculant> ochosi: evening :)
[20:48] <ochosi> uhm, you wanna replace thunar..?
[20:49] <flocculant> not this or next week :p
[20:49] <ochosi> yeah, obviously
[20:49] <ochosi> but even very generally speaking?
[20:49] <Unit193> ochosi: It's got everyone upset that it likes crashing so much.
[20:49] <flocculant> if it keeps causing issues like it has been then why not
[20:49] <ochosi> yeah, but i guess that's partly due to updates in gvfs
[20:50] <ochosi> it used to be quite stable a few releases ago
[20:50] <ochosi> and there wasn't any massive thunar development
[20:50] <flocculant> well yea maybe gvfs is causing the problems - but I don't see much in the way of people complaining about other file managers which I assume use gvfs as well
[20:50] <ochosi> have any of you tried going back to an older thunar version?
[20:51] <ochosi> yeah, it might be that other file managers have some gvfs stuff implemented differently, hard to tell, i'm no thunar expert
[20:51] <ochosi> i only browsed the source code very superficially
[20:51] <ochosi> still, i'd think it's worth trying to figure out what's wrong with it
[20:51] <flocculant> of course
[20:52] <Unit193> ochosi: Though doesn't matter if it is gvfs that causes it, still crashing.  If you have a 50/50 chance, yeah that's not good.  Personally yes I'd like to keep thunar, though it'd need fixed.
[20:54] <flocculant> ochosi: just ftr it's not just me :)
[20:54] <Nairwolf> hi ;)
[20:55] <Nairwolf> Do you remember what I said yesterday about 13 April daily ? The theme of nm-applet was weird, and it was difficult to distinguish power level of Wi-Fi signals
[20:56] <ochosi> yup
[20:56] <Nairwolf> I've tested with a reclean install, and it's the same bug...
[20:56] <ochosi> odd
[20:56] <ochosi> i thought flocculant also tested with a clean install
[20:56] <flocculant> Nairwolf: though it could be your eyes
[20:56] <flocculant> ochosi: I did
[20:56] <flocculant> eg - while you might not find them very distinct difference others do
[20:57] <Unit193> Eyes, monitor, video drivers, etc? :P
[20:57] <flocculant> yea
[20:58] <Nairwolf> let me send you the imgur link
[20:58] <Nairwolf> look this : https://imgur.com/eDtA2Qm
[20:58] <Nairwolf> look nm-apple wifi signals
[20:58] <ochosi> right
[20:58] <ochosi> those are fine
[20:59] <ochosi> apart from XIXI all your wifis have bad signal -> not our fault!
[20:59] <ochosi> ;)
[20:59] <flocculant> :)
[20:59] <flocculant> Nairwolf: unless you're talking about the lock icon
[20:59] <ochosi> yeah, still not sure why the lock icon is white
[20:59] <ochosi> shouldn't be the case and isn't in 15.10
[21:00] <Nairwolf> what is the lock icon ?
[21:01] <Nairwolf> ochosi: yes most of my wifis have bad signal, but I've found coulors make it difficult to distinguish low level and high level
[21:01] <Nairwolf> Maybe it was like that in 15.10 before
[21:01] <Nairwolf> Didn't notice
[21:07] <Nairwolf> I'm sorry, I am not able to test more the daily tonight...
[21:08] <ochosi> humm, i think i might've found the root cause of the light lock icon...
[21:11] <flocculant> Nairwolf: no need for apologies :)
[21:13] <flocculant> ochosi: someone seeded eraser?
[21:15] <ochosi> i wonder though whether we'll be able to test the fix in time
[21:15] <ochosi> even more so whether we'll be able to get it into the image, even though it's a trivial one (if it works)
[21:16] <flocculant> ochosi: well if we can get it on a ppa we can test it
[21:16] <flocculant> whether we can get it landed is another thing
[21:17] <ochosi> it'll automatically land in the shimmer daily PPA
[21:17] <Unit193> With the nasty versioning. :3
[21:18] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - I'll set the laptop up to that daily then and check tomorrow if someone reminds me - and I'm sure Nairwolf would if asked ;)
[21:18] <ochosi> i just requested a build there, so whenever that one is done (it estimates ~12mins) you can upgrade and test
[21:19] <flocculant> if I'm still kicking tonight I'll have a look
[21:19] <ochosi> now it says 2mins
[21:19] <ochosi> in case that motivates you ;)
[21:19] <flocculant> :)
[21:19] <ochosi> already building
[21:20] <flocculant> atm I'm just trying somethings with this cursor missing on suspend issue
[21:20] <flocculant> and *think* possibly found something else ...
[21:24] <slickymaster> great bluesabre. Thanks
[21:25] <flocculant> bluesabre: bug 1568604 I just checked one of the comments from https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815135
[21:26] <flocculant> change to vt1 then back to vt7 and cursor comes back, also I http://askubuntu.com/questions/504307/ubuntu-14-04-changing-intel-graphics-driver-configurations > anyname.conf and change sna to uxa - cursor works after suspend
[21:27] <bluesabre> ochosi: thunar development sped up after 1.6.3, with lots of contributors and accepted patches... things also started breaking at that point
[21:28] <flocculant> oh hey bluesabre :)
[21:29] <bluesabre> hey flocculant
[21:29] <flocculant> ochosi: here? https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ubuntu/daily?field.series_filter=xenial
[21:29] <bluesabre> bbiab
[21:30] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'll be gone I expect - I'm pretty sure that the LP cursor bug can upstream to that debian one - but not confident enough to add it :p
[21:32] <ochosi> flocculant: yup
[21:33] <ochosi> this is the build https://code.launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ubuntu/daily/+recipebuild/1118237
[21:33] <ochosi> sorry, gotta go take care of the little one
[21:33] <flocculant> ok - just not showing up yet
[21:33] <flocculant> ochosi: s'ok :)
[21:34] <ochosi> if it helps, maybe sean can pull in the changes to xubuntu-artwork and release/upload a new version
[21:34] <ochosi> if it doesn't, i'll try to fix it on the weekend
[21:34] <ochosi> gotta run, night everyone!
[21:34] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, true, maybe i gotta talk to hjudt
[21:34] <ochosi> ->
[21:35] <flocculant> ochosi: night :)
[21:53] <flocculant> I'll check the icon theme in the morning ...
[21:53] <flocculant> night all
[21:54] <slickymaster> night flocculant


[17:44] <soee> NVIDIA 375.10 Linux Driver Released, Supports GTX 1050 Series
[17:44] <soee> mamarley: :D
[17:46]  * mamarley trout.
[17:55] <soee> :(
[17:57] <mamarley> soee: Don't worry, I will package the drivers.  I just trout you whenever you announce new software releases!
[18:15] <soee> i'm kinda interested about this new options related to pipeline
[18:16] <soee> some reports if fixes a bit tearing on optimus machines  and i have one
[19:57] <mamarley> soee: It will probably be a bit later today.  They changed around some stuff with EGL and glvnd, and that requires some fixing.
[19:58] <mamarley> ricotz: ^Just so you know, I'm already working on it. :)
[20:04] <soee> mamarley: will it works fine with kernel 4.8 ?