[00:11] <cjwatson> wgrant: So here's a problem with the approach taken in https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/bpph-source/+merge/255070
[00:12] <cjwatson> wgrant: chaenomeles/launchpad-access60.log:<IP_ADDRESS> - "<IP_ADDRESS>" "api.launchpad.net" [11/May/2015:16:55:19 +0000] "GET /devel/~ubuntu-security/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/7403388?ws.op=getLatestSourcePublication HTTP/1.1" 401 480 14 0.106685876846 626 191 "Anonymous" "BinaryPackageBuild:EntryResource:getLatestSourcePublication" "" "lazr.restfulclient 0.12.0; oauth_consumer="ddeb-retriever""
[00:13] <cjwatson> that's a build from a private archive copied into the primary Ubuntu archive; we can't do BPPH.build.getLatestSourcePublication() because that's constrained to return an SPPH in the same archive as the build, and that archive is private
[00:15] <cjwatson> I wonder, though, if we should have a similar exception for SPPH visibility as there is for BPB visibility
[00:15] <cjwatson> That is, if you can see the SPR you might as well be able to see the other thing
[00:17] <cjwatson> Though it might be a problem that SPPH URLs are under their archive
[00:17] <cjwatson> We should find some solution for this soon, as it's blocking ddeb-retriever right now
[00:17] <cjwatson> (Though fortunately ddeb-retriever can now catch up in a way that was awkward before)
[00:23] <wgrant> bigjools: We could change the default if you know you're going to be exceeding it.
[00:23] <wgrant> cjwatson: ugh, indeed, we really should just fix this to not be completely and utterly broken model-wise at some point :/
[00:27] <cjwatson> So we could just implement your suggestion from that MP of exporting the source name as a stopgap
[00:27] <cjwatson> In the specific case of ddeb-retriever that's all it actually needs today
[00:27] <cjwatson> There are probably other users that will have issues, but ...
[00:30] <cjwatson> It's independently irritating that the source on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/7403388 isn't linked, but that has nothing to do with privacy, it's because we never make that a link if the context archive is a PPA.  Though in this case you don't get to see the archive either.
[00:33] <wgrant> Yeah, I have a partially implemented fix for all that, but it's a reasonable amount of work.
[00:33] <wgrant> (see my ArchiveBinaryPackageBuild series)
[00:44] <cjwatson> Ah yes, I think I've seen that before
[00:49] <wgrant> Fixes a lot of performance issues as well.
[00:51] <cjwatson> In the short term I think exporting BPB.source_package_name is likely to be most practical, though.
[00:54] <wgrant> Yep.
[00:54] <wgrant> Most awkward bit is ensuring the correct preloading.
[00:57] <cjwatson> wgrant: self.source_package_release.name is already used by BPB.title, which is exported, so I don't think it needs anything new.
[00:57] <blr> wgrant: cjwatson: what are your thoughts on changing the "Configure project branch" label under Config Progress to "Configure project code" or something that suits both git and bzr.
[00:57] <cjwatson> blr: Sounds sensible
[00:58] <cjwatson> "Code" is a reasonable term in existing use that covers both.
[00:58] <blr> sounds good, thanks.
[00:59] <wgrant> cjwatson: Ah, of course.
[00:59] <wgrant> settings
[00:59] <wgrant> settings dammit.
[00:59] <wgrant> None of this "Change details"
[00:59] <wgrant> Or "Configure"
[00:59] <wgrant> god. damn. settings.
[00:59] <cjwatson> I was just thinking that "Configure ... code" does sound a bit like ./configure
[01:00] <wgrant> It's also awkward and long :)
[01:00] <wgrant> I think "settings" is the usual word nowadays just about everywhere else.
[01:01] <blr> we certainly like saying configure a fair bit -> "Configuration progress ... Configuration options... Configure bug tracker"
[01:02] <wgrant> Indeed.
[01:02] <blr> we could drop configuration from everything save Configuration progress and it would all still make sense
[01:02] <wgrant> In that portlet it probably makes sense, indeed. I'm not sure where else those links are used, though.
[01:03] <wgrant> Other places (eg. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/launchpad) need something like the current text.
[01:03] <wgrant> (or "settings"!)
[01:04] <wgrant> The config portlet probably does want to override it.
[01:04] <blr> it "options" even the right word in that portlet, they seems more like 'steps'
[01:04] <blr> granted they are optional.
[01:04] <cjwatson> Except you don't have to carry them out in order.
[01:04] <wgrant> And they never go away :/
[01:04] <cjwatson> Or at all.
[01:04] <blr> heh
[01:05] <wgrant> The whole thing needs to be redesigned, but I'd be tempted to just have links named after the tabs without saying configure configure configure.
[01:05] <blr> yep, let's do that for now.
[01:06]  * blr wanders off to de-yodawg.
[01:07] <blr> will also add something to the UI asana board about the entire process being clunky generally
[01:07] <wgrant> A good idea.
[01:08] <wgrant> It's the first impression you get of LP (other than the adventure of finding out how to create a project, and then fill in the eleven thousand fields on ProjectSet:+new, which keeps going across multiple steps each with variants of the same fields), and it's a little dodgy.
[01:09] <blr> right, I think if we could address this config process _and_ add more visibility to +new that would help new users a great dela.
[01:09] <blr> or deal even.
[01:10] <cjwatson> Although careful with pushing ProjectSet:+new because people often hit that when they really meant to create a PPA.
[01:10] <cjwatson> Despite the warnings.
[01:11] <cjwatson> It's not clear whether it's really easier to find ProjectSet:+new than Person:+create-ppa, or if we just don't hear about the latter because you can do self-service PPA deletion.
[01:11] <blr> sounds like another task for the UI board :)
[01:30] <cjwatson> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/bpb-source-package-name/+merge/258820
[01:34] <wgrant> cjwatson: You'll probably also need to fix xx-builds.txt
[01:34] <cjwatson> sassenfrassendoctests
[01:34] <cjwatson> yeah
[01:46]  * cjwatson lands that and sleeps
[01:48] <bigjools> cjwatson: I had completely forgotten about the hidden copy-packages link!
[02:04] <wgrant> cjwatson: buildd branches fixed.
[02:36] <blr> have changed the order of the configuration options to reflect the top menu as well, code coming first.
[02:38] <blr> wgrant: what's the best way to render the links on Bugs/Blueprints/Translations etc? They should still read 'Configure foo' on those views.
[02:41] <wgrant> blr: I'd rather customise the links rendered by pillar-involvement-portlet.pt
[02:42] <wgrant> blr: ProductInvolvementView.configuration_links already changes things up a bit.
[02:46] <blr> ah I see, I'll leave the configure_foo methods as they are in that case.
[03:04] <blr> wgrant: why is blueprints commented?
[03:14] <wgrant> blr: I'm not quite sure. The revision that disabled it added the progress bar.
[03:15] <wgrant> 3220eba or r11189.1.5
[03:15] <wgrant> But no rationale provided.
[03:19] <blr> weird, seems a little odd not to have it enabled, given we're still supporting blueprints.
[03:21] <wgrant> Indeed.
[05:22] <wgrant> blr: Are you landing that DB branch?
[05:30] <blr> wgrant: no, I'm still not entirely sure about windows. There's no hurry, I need the corresponding setup/setbranch branch working for it be of any use, unless it is useful for you or colin.
[05:39] <wgrant> blr: What do you mean about windows?
[05:39] <wgrant> blr: The column is useful even without the setbranch rework.
[05:40] <blr> wgrant: windows for landing a db patch.
[05:41] <blr> colin landed the last patch I wrote - can I lp-land it now?
[05:42] <wgrant> blr: Yep, you can land as soon as there are no deployment blockers (eg. code on prod that depends on a column that you're removing).
[05:42] <wgrant> There are traditionally *deployment* windows, but we tend to ignore them nowadays if that would be convenient.
[05:42] <blr> ok, will do that after dinner. thanks :)
[06:31] <blr> wgrant: ok to land the patch with no-qa?
[06:40] <wgrant> blr: Yep
[06:46] <blr> wgrant: assuming for the API export, vcs should be a Choice, but presumably that requires the creation of a new vocabulary?
[06:48] <wgrant> blr: No, you can give Choice an enum directly.
[06:48] <wgrant> For simple cases like this.
[06:48] <wgrant> No filtering or restrictions required.
[06:48] <blr> ah good
[07:30] <blr> wgrant: fixed up the api export - regenerated the api docs which seem correct.
[08:07] <wgrant> blr: Thanks, will look in a bit.
[09:56] <cjwatson> wgrant: buildd> r=me, thanks
[09:57] <wgrant> cjwatson: Thanks.
[12:33] <cjwatson> Hm, are we OK with CSS3 selectors in LP?
[12:33] <cjwatson> I guess that not() is in use in several other places.
[12:44] <beuno> cjwatson, I think it's been a few years to be ok with them!
[12:48] <cjwatson> spot the person with a distro developer background, not web dev. :-)
[12:50] <wgrant> cjwatson: http://caniuse.com/
[12:50] <wgrant> cjwatson: IE8 doesn't support it, but everything else of significance does.
[12:51] <beuno> cjwatson, beowulf is my go-to guy for these questions, FWIW
[12:51] <wgrant> And we don't particularly care about IE8 any more, particularly for something so trivial.
[12:51] <beuno> he's usually happy to help
[12:51] <beuno> and in the UK
[12:52] <beuno> we'll soon get another FE-focused person on board in the CI team as well
[12:53] <beuno> disclaimer, he's on a mission to move away from YUI wherever possible/cheap/sensible
[13:02] <cjwatson> In this case it was just for https://code.launchpad.net/~rbanffy/launchpad/highlight_listing_tr/+merge/258766 rather than anything deeply involved
[17:32] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/git-activereviews/+merge/258910 - phew.  EOD time.
[17:32] <cjwatson> (modulo team meeting)


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[13:10] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
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[14:37] <mparillo> Hiyas BluesKaj. Care to test the 16.04.3 ISO? I assume 64-bit, manual partitioning as usual?
[14:39] <BluesKaj> mparillo, think I'll pass on 16.04, no room on my ssd...sorry
[14:43] <mparillo> No prob. SSDs are nice for speed, but anything affordable is small.
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[16:10] <greyback> ahoneybun: hey, just looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/artful2/+merge/328168 -just confirming you've removed the background image for all the slides - this is what I see: https://imgur.com/a/yWbAO
[16:11] <ahoneybun> seems your linking to a dead merge
[16:11] <ahoneybun> greyback: https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/artful3/+merge/328193
[16:12] <greyback> ahoneybun: ah, ok
[16:12] <ahoneybun> I have
[16:12] <ahoneybun> there is one screenshot
[16:12] <ahoneybun> and that is the accessibity slide
[16:12] <ahoneybun> typo I know
[16:13] <greyback> ok. Just wanted to make sure
[16:13] <ahoneybun> greyback: with that merge I use bzr for everything
[16:13] <ahoneybun> and it merges back into the main branch with no problems
[16:13] <greyback> yep it looks nice and clean
[16:14] <ahoneybun> too bad it could not get in for alpha 2 :(
[16:14] <acheronuk> 16.04.3: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2017-August/004181.html
[16:15] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: any word on packaging it?
[16:15] <acheronuk> packaging what?
[16:15] <ahoneybun> latte dock 0.6.8
[16:17] <acheronuk> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=859642
[16:17] <acheronuk> no movement there?
[16:18] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: I meant for ppa
[16:18] <acheronuk> backports? we have 0.6.2
[16:18] <ahoneybun> no a test ppa
[16:19] <acheronuk> I think 0.7 should be good when it's released
[16:19] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: https://launchpad.net/~rikmills/+archive/ubuntu/latte-dock
[16:22] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: I can grab the 0.6.8 tarball and put that somewhere else if you like?
[16:22] <ahoneybun> yours works
[16:23] <greyback> ahoneybun: my only suggestion is that you edit the commit message to say what the actual change is (i.e. "update kubuntu slides"). Otherwise looks good
[16:23] <ahoneybun> greyback: thanks for the pull
[16:23] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: good :)
[16:24] <greyback> ahoneybun: I don't have merge rights sadly, but I've pinged the right guy, he should get to it soon
[16:24] <ahoneybun> mm latte dock will not update
[16:24] <ahoneybun> thanks
[16:25] <ahoneybun> ahh we're missing 5.9 stuff
[16:25] <acheronuk> artful needs Qt 5.9
[16:25] <acheronuk> as I added that to the ppa deps
[16:26] <ahoneybun> well did that not work there lol
[16:26] <acheronuk> if you don't want to upgrade Qt can build it somewhere else?
[16:29] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-misc/+packages?field.name_filter=latte&field.series_filter=artful
[16:29] <acheronuk> that should work with Qt 5.7.1 when it's built
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 Fwd from myfenris: The following packages have unmet dependencies: …  ffmpegthumbs : Depends: libavcodec57 (>= 7:3.3.2) but it is not going to be installed or …                          libavcodec-extra57 (>= 7:3.3.2) but 7:3.2.6-1 is to be installed …                 Depends: libavfilter6 (>= 7:3.3.2) but it is not going to be installed or …                          libavfilter-extra6 (>= 7:3.3.2) but 7:3.2.6-1 is to b
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[16:38] <wxl> @myfenris, did you try to sudo apt -f install?
[16:38] <acheronuk> don't upgrade ffmpegthumbs
[16:39] <acheronuk> the staging-kdeapplications ppa builds against artful-proposed, as that is what packages we upload to the archive will build against
 wxl : http://paste.ubuntu.com/25234281/
[16:40] <acheronuk> but it means that occasionally something in that ppa may not be upgradable on a system without the proposed repo enabled.
[16:40] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_stable_kalzium build #74: STILL FAILING in 46 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_stable_kalzium/74/
[16:41] <acheronuk> like ffmepthumbs in this case, which build against and depends on those packages in -proposed
[16:41] <wxl> @myfenris you'll note i did not include "ffmegthumbs" before my question mark :)
 @wxl, owh okie ..
 but i accidently remove the ffmpegthumbs and tried to reinstall it
 :(
[16:43] <acheronuk> @myfenris ok. 2 secs
 thanks rik
[16:44] <acheronuk> sudo apt-get install ffmpegthumbs=4:16.12.3-0ubuntu1
[16:44] <acheronuk> does that work?
 yups .. thanks @acheronuk
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/xfPxA7E1/system-setting-weird.png
[16:47] <acheronuk> @myfenris or grab and install the previos 17.04 version https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+build/13097427/+files/ffmpegthumbs_17.04.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu17.10~ppa1_amd64.deb
[16:50] <ejat> @acheronuk thanks
[16:50] <ejat> can u take a look at the attachment
[16:50] <ejat> its being like that after i downgrade from kci ppa
[16:51] <ejat> Listing... Done
[16:51] <ejat> ffmpegthumbs/artful 4:17.04.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu17.10~ppa2 amd64 [upgradable from: 4:17.04.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu17.10~ppa1]
[16:51] <ejat> N: There are 2 additional versions. Please use the '-a' switch to see them.
[16:53] <acheronuk> ~ppa2 built against the new stuff in proposed, so you'll need to wait for that to migrate to -release before you can upgrade
[16:54] <acheronuk> there is no difference, so no big deal to wait
[16:54] <acheronuk> ejat: for systemsettings, maybe close it and delete ~/.config/systemsettingsrc ?
 thanks .. solved
[16:56] <acheronuk> :)
 btw, in the latest plasma, default for menubar : MenuBar=Disabled ?
[17:00] <acheronuk> what menubar?
 any apps
[17:01] <acheronuk> not noticed to be honest
 once u trigger about the systemsetting, i just change my quasselrc
 http://paste.ubuntu.com/25234353/
[17:04] <acheronuk> just tried kcalc and it kept it's menubar
 I've been losing menubars in kci unstable
[17:06] <acheronuk> another side effect of that then maybe
[17:06] <acheronuk> quassel seems to keep it here on stock artful
 kontact also missing
 MenuBar=Disabled <—
 got this in kontactrc as well
 @acheronuk, means , in stock artful .. all apps will have menubar right ?
[17:09] <acheronuk> I've not lost any that I'm aware of. but in the rc config files persist on a downgrade, they will stay disabled
[17:09] <acheronuk> *but if
[17:16] <acheronuk> https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=menubar
[17:20] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_stable_kalzium build #75: NOW UNSTABLE in 19 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_stable_kalzium/75/
[17:20] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_stable_kalzium build #32: STILL UNSTABLE in 19 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_stable_kalzium/32/
 hmmm ... thats explained :)
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[17:23] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_kalzium build #79: STILL UNSTABLE in 22 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_kalzium/79/
 @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie i think, my kmail problem about copy n paste that i shared with you might related to *rc as well
[19:11] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[19:11] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_ksmtp build #9: FIXED in 27 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_ksmtp/9/
[19:11] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[19:11] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_ksmtp build #9: FIXED in 27 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_ksmtp/9/
[19:11] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[19:11] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_ksmtp build #11: FIXED in 27 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_ksmtp/11/
[20:02] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[20:02] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_ruqola build #8: FIXED in 12 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_ruqola/8/
[20:47] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project merger_phonon build #89: FAILURE in 16 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_phonon/89/
[20:54] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_stable_kwin build #83: STILL UNSTABLE in 31 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_stable_kwin/83/
[21:04] <valorie> acheronuk: finally got my artful updates done -- do you still need a tester for ktorrents?
[21:04] <valorie> -s
[21:05] <valorie> sorry for being a bit slow; seem to be having a touch of jetlag
[21:07] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[21:07] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project merger_phonon build #90: FIXED in 16 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_phonon/90/
[21:07] <acheronuk> valorie: yes, if you can :)
[21:09] <valorie> what's the PPA?
[21:12] <acheronuk> valorie: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-misc?field.series_filter=artful
[21:13] <valorie> will I need to install --reinstall ktorrent
[21:14] <valorie> oh, that's all that's in there
[21:14] <valorie> cool
[21:16] <valorie> it is installing
[21:18] <clivejo> so whats going on with apps?
[21:19] <valorie> and ppa removed
[21:22] <valorie> hmmm, doesn't want to start torrenting -- I think the old one is zombie now
[21:23] <acheronuk> zombie?
[21:23] <clivejo> living dead?
[21:23] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_phonon build #48: FAILURE in 16 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_phonon/48/
[21:24] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_phonon build #44: FAILURE in 16 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_phonon/44/
[21:24] <valorie> workin'
[21:24] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_phonon build #65: FAILURE in 17 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_phonon/65/
[21:24] <valorie> Version 5.0.1 - is that correct, acheronuk?
[21:25] <acheronuk> yup
[21:25] <acheronuk> https://download.kde.org/stable/ktorrent/5.0/
[21:25] <valorie> excellent
[21:26] <acheronuk> but the 5.0.1 is a bit rubbish with stuff missing compared to the KDE4 version
[21:26] <acheronuk> hence the git snapshot here
[21:27] <acheronuk> where hopefully most of the goodies are back
[21:27] <valorie> seems a bit quicker
[21:28] <valorie> oooo, and I should now dl all the new xenial .03 ISOs and start seeding them
[21:28] <valorie> and we need to update our website with the new link
[21:29] <valorie> @ahoneybun ^^
[21:29] <valorie> links
[21:31] <clivejo> got a link?
[21:35] <clivejo> for the checksums
[21:36] <valorie> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[21:38] <clivejo> should we divide the checksums out to another page?
[21:39] <valorie> hmmm
[21:39] <valorie> if we provide links to the torrents they will get them automatically
[21:39] <clivejo> or will I just change the wording to something like "Alternative downloads, torrents, mirrors and checksums"
[21:41] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_phonon build #49: NOW UNSTABLE in 18 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_phonon/49/
[21:42] <valorie> maybe this is a better link for direct dl: https://kubuntu.org/alternative-downloads/
[21:42] <valorie> that's cdimage
[21:42] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_phonon build #45: NOW UNSTABLE in 18 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_phonon/45/
[21:42] <clivejo> huh?
[21:42] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_phonon build #66: NOW UNSTABLE in 17 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_phonon/66/
[21:43] <clivejo> Ive changed the wording of the links
[21:44] <valorie> thank you
[21:44] <clivejo> can someone verifty I got the correct checksums
[21:45] <clivejo> and download links are downloading the correct files
[21:48] <clivejo> gonna post a news post about it?
[21:58] <valorie> yes, since I was so late asking for testing!
[21:58] <valorie> sort of embarrassing
[22:00] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[22:00] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_phonon build #46: FIXED in 17 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_phonon/46/
[22:00] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[22:00] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_phonon build #50: FIXED in 18 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_phonon/50/
[22:00] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_phonon build #67: STILL UNSTABLE in 18 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_phonon/67/
[22:02]  * acheronuk glares at the new lintain in artful
[22:12] <valorie> I was a bit worried because ktorrent wasn't uploading
[22:12] <valorie> then found in the menus where all were paused
[22:13] <valorie> now it is both up and downloading the .03 ISOs
[22:13] <acheronuk> :)
[22:13] <valorie> I think it's good to upload based on my testing
[22:13] <acheronuk> if all seems good, hopefully can persuade people to do a new release soon
[22:13] <acheronuk> or at a push go with the git snapshot
[22:16] <clivejo> anyone actually running 16.04.3 ?
[22:17] <clivejo> I need some screen shots for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[22:20] <genii> clivejo: I'm currently on 16.04.2 here but could dist-upgrade.
[22:20] <genii> What do you need screenshots of?
 Basically what ever is missing on the wiki page
[22:24] <genii> I think Firefox is 54, not 45 as on the page there
[22:24] <genii> !info firefox xenial
[22:24] <genii> Yes, 54
[22:24] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[22:24] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_phonon build #68: FIXED in 24 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_phonon/68/
[22:27] <clivejo> what about libre office?
[22:28] <clivejo> !info libreoffice xenial
[22:37] <clivejo> ok Rik has provided a plasma screenshot, anyone able to do one for apps?
[22:37] <clivejo> looks so old :/
[22:38] <genii> clivejo: I have now screenshots of firefox and libreoffice with their About boxes, but on my .2 , if versions are the same could they do?
[22:38] <genii> ..also, where to send, just up on imgur or so?
[22:40] <clivejo> maybe just a screenshot of a few apps open
[22:40] <clivejo> dolphin etc
[22:42] <genii> OK, just need to close some firefox tabs then, I'm bingewatching Inspector Morse episodes at the moment from questionable sites
[22:43] <clivejo> Ill just remove the photo placeholder actually
[22:43] <clivejo> can't be that many people on it to worry too much about it
[22:44] <genii> clivejo: Here is an imgur of the Firefox, and Libreoffice. I'll add some more to the same gallery there shortly. Work suddenly needs me for a little bit
[22:44] <genii> http://imgur.com/a/fp4l4
[22:45] <acheronuk> oops. I just did: http://i.imgur.com/h2LGV6y.png
[22:46] <clivejo> will you upload that one ?
[22:47] <acheronuk> or do you want dolphin?
[22:47] <acheronuk> etc...
[22:47] <clivejo> don't care to be honest!
[22:47] <clivejo> whatever you think is best
[22:48] <clivejo> just not happy with the broken image icon!
[22:49] <valorie> already better
[22:50] <clivejo> incorrect information, broken links and broken images annoy me
[22:51] <clivejo> almost like Simon and CAPITAL letters for surnames
[22:51] <valorie> me too, clivejo
[22:52] <valorie> unless it's a genealogy paper - the first mention of a new surname is in caps
[22:52] <acheronuk> will upload one
[22:53] <acheronuk> should be there now
[22:54] <valorie> \o/
[22:55]  * acheronuk yawns
[22:55]  * clivejo yawns
[22:55] <clivejo> time for bed my thinks
[22:55] <acheronuk> clivejo: and no, no clue about apps
[22:56] <clivejo> santa seems to have disappeared?
[22:57] <acheronuk> that's never happened before
[22:57] <clivejo> from what I recall they were almost ready to go?
[22:58] <acheronuk> most are I think.
[22:58] <valorie> tweeted
[22:58] <clivejo> did you rebuild them in staging?
[22:59] <acheronuk> yes, but not against new cmake yet
[22:59] <clivejo> issue with pim building?
[22:59] <acheronuk> or qt 5.9
[22:59] <acheronuk> oh... wait. yest I did rebuild some
[23:00] <acheronuk> kmail in there was for some odd reason OK.
[23:00] <acheronuk> while 17.08 branch in KCI was not. weird
[23:00] <clivejo> 17.04.3 is ok?
[23:03] <acheronuk> think I fixed any cmake failures, yes
[23:04] <clivejo> gonna have to do an upload soonish
[23:04] <acheronuk> analitza actaully seems to need Qt 5.9 on arm to build!
[23:04] <acheronuk> fails on Qt 5.7
[23:04] <clivejo> but other arch are ok?
[23:04] <acheronuk> yup
[23:05] <clivejo> thats weird !
[23:05] <acheronuk> egl issue I think. normal arm cra*p
[23:06] <clivejo> will you be around this weekend, maybe do an upload?
[23:06] <acheronuk> some new 3d plotting stuff in there which wants the acceleration
[23:06] <acheronuk> likely
[23:07] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_merger build #922: SUCCESS in 7 min 4 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_merger/922/
[23:07] <clivejo> tsimonq2: went is Qt5.9 due to drop in Artful?
[23:07] <clivejo> when
[23:08] <tsimonq2> clivejo: After GCC, before Feature Freeze.
[23:10] <genii> clivejo: Added a 2-screen screenshot of some things open when they are snapped to corners
[23:10] <clivejo> genii: thanks, but I think acheronuk got it sorted
[23:11] <acheronuk> something is seriously screwed with the SCM polling on KCI :/
[23:12] <acheronuk> it's triggering loads & loads & loads of builds which have not had changes in KDE git or packaging, and last build was green
[23:12] <acheronuk> it should be skipping those
[23:13] <clivejo> wonder how we would even go about figuring out the problem
[23:14] <acheronuk> I had a poke around earlier and could not see anything obvious
[23:15] <acheronuk> it's now spamming the LP infra with 1,000+ builds per night!
[23:16] <acheronuk> oh well...........
[23:16] <acheronuk> night
[23:17] <clivejo> good night
[23:17] <genii> Sounds painful
[23:24] <valorie> sweet dreams, acheronuk
[23:24] <acheronuk> clivejo: maybe https://wiki.jenkins.io/display/JENKINS/Plugins+affected+by+fix+for+SECURITY-170
[23:24] <valorie> thank you and clivejo for getting the 16.04.3 update all shipshape
[23:26] <tsimonq2> The kmail CVE is still not fixed in Ubuntu and I don't have the time to spend the couple of hours required to fix and test it.
[23:28] <valorie> :(
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[23:48] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_elisa build #75: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_elisa/75/


[00:03] <keithzg> Either way, I'd be interested to hear how thing behave once you've uninstalled the NVIDIA drivers.
[00:06] <toothe> I noticed that when I type in something into my KDE start button, I get random internet searches for pages I"ve never been to. Why is that? HOw do I disable that?
[00:06] <toothe> let me take that back, some of these are pages I visited months ago.
[00:08] <MobilRoey> ah
[00:08] <MobilRoey> hey toothe
[00:09] <toothe> Hiya!
[00:09] <MobilRoey> I actually have to get going, but there are others here who surely know
[00:09] <MobilRoey> :)
[00:13] <ussher_> I've just recently upgraded to 14.04.  lightdm was screwed up, so i purged it and installed kdm.  kdm doesn't start at boot, i need to login then do
[00:14] <ussher_> sudo kdm to get going.
[00:14] <ussher_> how do you make it start automatically?  Ive seen a few different howto's but none seam to line up with kubuntu.
[00:16] <valorie> !lightdm
[00:16] <valorie> pfff
[00:17] <MobilRoey> seriously
[00:17] <valorie> that's a bit messed up
[00:17] <MobilRoey> stuff screws up - EVERy.SINGLE.TIME I upgrade
[00:17] <ussher_> lightdm's resolution is all screwed up
[00:17] <valorie> do you have sddm installed?
[00:17] <MobilRoey> I groan when I think about upgrading
[00:17] <MobilRoey> because something invariably screws up no matter how stock-install I try and make it
[00:17] <valorie> MobilRoey: my upgrades are usually completely great
[00:17] <ussher_> i dont have ssdm installed
[00:17]  * MobilRoey fumes :P
[00:18] <MobilRoey> rightgt now I am on my laptop
[00:18] <MobilRoey> as my system is not responsive when I start x
[00:18] <valorie> me too, that's my only computer
[00:18] <valorie> :-)
[00:18] <MobilRoey> I wish I could have your luck, Valorie :)
[00:18] <valorie> ussher_: kdm hasn't been stock Kubuntu for a long time, so I guess asking in #kde would be more productive
[00:19] <valorie> it is old, and SDDM is the future for us
[00:19] <valorie> I guess the rest of Ubuntu will continue with LightDM
[00:19] <ussher_> for me i got sort of a login screen that worked with lightdm, but the box would flicker and there was no writing.  I lived with it for a few days, but it got annyoing this morning
[00:19] <valorie> but for various reasons we can't/won't do that
[00:20] <MobilRoey> anyway, Valorie, bbl! going to a candlelight vigil in front of the White House for the victims of this morning's massacre in Jerusalem
[00:20] <valorie> unsure how to help here; lightdm worked until I moved to SDDM when I upgraded to Plasma 5 in 14.10
[00:21] <ussher_> I was on 12.04 LTS so i guess kdm was stock back then, it looks familiar enough.
[00:21] <valorie> bye MobilRoey
[00:21] <valorie> !info lightdm
[00:22] <valorie> ussher_: afaik we've been using lightdm for a long time
[00:22] <valorie> at least since 12.04
[00:22] <valorie> however, if you have done upgrades for a long time, perhaps you didn't have it
[00:23] <ussher_> i've been on kubuntu since before that so maybe thats why.  Looking into SDDM (simple desktop display manager) now.  Not particually in love with kdm, but it works.  if sddm works too, thats fine.
[00:29] <valorie> ussher_: I wouldn't advise switching to SDDM just now
[00:30] <valorie> afaik it is waiting to be put into the archive
[00:30] <ussher_> ah.
[00:30] <valorie> I got it from ppa next
[00:30] <valorie> so wait a week
[00:30] <ussher_> ok, back to the first plan.
[00:30] <ussher_> get kdm to start at startup.  I'll ask in #kde
[00:30] <ussher_> thanks for all your help valorie
[00:30] <valorie> excellent
[00:30] <valorie> yw
[00:34] <toothe> I noticed that when I search for things in the KDE start menu, I get google hits for things I searched for months ago.
[00:34] <toothe> I thought it was only suposed to search for local files?
[00:34] <keithzg> ussher_: have you tried running "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm"?
[00:35] <ussher_> I did that to change to kdm during the install of it.  I can try again.
[00:36] <ussher_> yeah, its just the same option, "choose kdm" then OK.
[00:36] <throdon> has anyone used awesom wm with or without KDE/Kwin
[00:36] <ussher_> thanks for the idea keithzg
[00:37] <keithzg> Hmm, alright. ussher_, I'd try shutting down the KDM instance that you've started manually, then from a VT try "sudo service kdm start" and see what it does.
[00:37] <keithzg> That should start it the same way it's in theory *trying* to start it, so you might get some useful errror messages back.
[00:38] <ussher_> i'll give it a go.  I'll come back once i do.  Im on the pc its needed on here, so gone for a bit.
[00:38] <keithzg> Fair enough
[00:47] <ussher_> no love keithzg.  still the same.  But now im looking for "how to start a service at startup" instead, so that might be more fruitful.  Thanks for the idea.
[00:48] <keithzg> ussher_: Yeah, if all goes according to plan it should be started by the default installed upstart service for kdm. Clearly something is going wrong somewhere along that path.
[02:31] <ussher_> Got it sorted. in /etc/X11/default-display-manager was a link to 'kde-trinity's version of kdm.  I changed that to the actual version of kdm and now I have a login screen again.  Thanks keithzg, valoire for the help.
[02:59] <keithzg> ussher_: no problem, glad to hear you got it sorted!
[05:51] <valorie> hehe, kde-trinity
[05:51] <valorie> that's hilarious
[05:51] <Tm_T> ?
[08:09] <mokush> anybody else having issues with kate and dolphin freezing after about 10 mins of usage? 14.10 with plasma5?
[08:13] <valorie> mokush: I think it is plasma5 freezing
[08:13] <valorie> at least I've not had a problem with the actual applications freezing
[08:13] <mokush> valorie: it's just the apps. these two. I can force close them, then open them again. I belive it's caused by kio_file, since they both seem to be using it
[08:14] <valorie> could be
[08:14] <valorie> please file a bug
[08:14] <valorie> easiest way is `ubuntu-bug kate` for instance
[08:14] <valorie> in the cli
[08:14] <mokush> valorie: thanks, will do
[08:14] <valorie> thank you
[08:18] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:23] <mokush> valorie: when trying `ubuntu-bug kate` I'm getting a `This is not an official Ubuntu package.` error. Is it because I'm using the backports ppa?
[08:26] <valorie> ah, you are on next
[08:26] <valorie> sorry
[08:26] <valorie> some of that software is not in the archives yet
[08:26] <valorie> :(
[08:26] <lordievader> The package 'kate' exists though in the archives.
[08:27] <lordievader> But it probably checks the source of the installed package.
[08:27] <valorie> right
[08:28] <valorie> anyway, please check for bugreports here, mokush
[08:28] <valorie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_
[08:28] <valorie> subscriber=&field.tag=plasma5&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on
[08:28] <valorie> omg
[08:28] <valorie> let me shorten that
[08:28] <lordievader> Err, the Kubuntu next doesn't have a Kate package?
[08:28] <mokush> this is even weirder. so, I uninstalled it, but not I can't reinstall it because of the `unmet dependencies` issue.
[08:29] <valorie> http://goo.gl/UIjz8s
[08:29] <lordievader> mokush: What is the output of 'apt-cache policy kate'?
[08:30] <mokush> lordievader: http://paste.kde.org/pppnhvijh
[08:30] <lordievader> !info kate
[08:30] <lordievader> That is the one from the archives.
[08:31] <mokush> lordievader: this is what I'm getting when trying to reinstall it: http://paste.kde.org/pvkgggnr5
[08:32] <lordievader> Hehe, not very surprising.
[08:32] <lordievader> Wasn't the Kubuntu Next ppa EOL?
[08:32] <mokush> lordievader: is there any way I can work around it?
[08:33] <valorie> no, that is neon that is gone
[08:33] <lordievader> Hmm, because this is a difficult pickle.
[08:33] <lordievader> The packages from the ppa prevent the installation of kate, as that version is older...
[08:34] <valorie> mokush: does `sudo apt install -f` help?
[08:34] <mokush> valorie: nope, same thing.
[08:35] <valorie> :(
[08:35] <mokush> lordievader: well, this sucks. so the version from the next ppa is older?
[08:36] <mokush> I see that that I have two packages installed now `katepart` and `ktexteditor-katepart`. the `katepart` one seems to have no origin
[08:36] <lordievader> mokush: No the problem is that Kate is not provided in the Kubuntu Next ppa. So you have it's dependencies at a .2 version while the Kate from the archive depends on .1 versions. (or something along those line)
[08:39] <lordievader> mokush: Perhaps poking around in #kubuntu-devel works, let's see if I get a reply ;)
[08:45] <mokush> lordievader: I see here there are newer packages in the main ppa, rather than the /next ppa? https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next
[08:45] <mokush> if I would just remove the next ppa, wouldn't that fix it?
[08:46] <lordievader> mokush: What main ppa do you mean?
[08:47] <valorie> the next ppa is what gives you plasma 5
[08:47] <valorie> if you remove it, I don't know what will happen
[08:48] <valorie> unless you want to reinstall 14.10 without plasma 5
[08:48] <lordievader> If you remove it you go back to Plasma 4
[08:48] <mokush> in the link I pasted, some of the packages have a ` (Newer version available)` link. doesn't that refer to the main utopic packages?
[08:49] <lordievader> That refers to the source of those packages.
[08:52] <valorie> lordievader: maybe.....
[08:52] <valorie> could be a mess though
[08:53] <lordievader> It likely would be ;)
[09:23] <luffarvante> hey, i recently switched to kubuntu from arch and have been trying to install a few applications (factorio and tekkit launcher primarily). Im aware i could just download and add them manually but is there any avaliable repository with them in? In arch i just got them from the AUR
[09:25] <lordievader> luffarvante: Usually we get things from the Ubuntu repo. However I don't seem to find packages for the software you mentioned. It might be that they are named differently.
[09:26] <luffarvante> yeah, i have been looking around there and done some googling, but with no results
[09:27] <luffarvante> if i understood it right i managed to add universe which seems to be ubuntus counterpart to arch's AUR but nothing there eigther
[09:28] <lordievader> If I understand AUR correctly then your statement is incorrect ;)
[09:28] <denysonique> luffarvante: the AUR of Ubuntu is called PPA
[09:28] <luffarvante> well, not the exact same thing but universe is community maintained or did i get it all mixed up?
[09:29] <luffarvante> ah, okay
[09:43] <hateball> !ppa
[09:44] <benonsoftware> !j
[09:44] <benonsoftware> Oops, sorry
[09:50] <luffarvante> after some fiddling around it sems there are no ppa with factorio and the tekkit and dwarf fortress ones wont add properly; i added them more or less according to their respective pages. I put the same version in them as the ppas already present in my sources, 'utopic', but i get a 404 error. Should this be one of the suggested versions (Trusty, Saucy or Precise for the minecraft ppa for instance) and if thats the case which of
[09:50] <luffarvante> them?
[09:52] <luffarvante> or is the ppa simply out of date and i have to wait?
[09:52] <luffarvante> and thanks everyone for the help this far
[09:55] <lordievader> luffarvante: It can very well be that the ppa doesn't yet have packages available for your version of (K)Ubuntu.
[12:03] <lifernux> hola
[12:04] <lifernux> hay algun chat de kubuntu en español
[12:04] <lifernux> ?
[12:04] <hateball> !es | lifernux
[12:21] <kavaco> hi
[12:21] <lordievader> o/
[12:22] <keyonce04> o/
[12:24] <kavaco> lordievader: sorry, could not get back yesterday.
[12:24] <lordievader> That's allright.
[12:25] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:25] <kavaco> have a time?
[12:26] <lordievader> kavaco: Let me check the backlog.
[12:27] <lordievader> Ah yes, my only idea got killed.
[12:27] <kavaco> lordievader: http://picpaste.com/imagem1-TEp4HgcQ.png
[12:27] <kavaco> look
[12:28] <lordievader> Now ain't that lovely, what driver is loaded.
[12:30] <kavaco> lordievader: see the Mixer. It is the same with the restart button, shutdown and logout
[12:30] <kavaco> the amd catalyst
[12:30] <kavaco> driver*
[12:31] <lordievader> You sure about that? It looks like a graphical artifact.
[12:33] <kavaco> the fglrx_info output: OpenGL vendor string: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[12:34] <lordievader> Hmm, I don't know what the issue can be.
[12:34] <kavaco> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9095032/
[12:37] <kavaco> look: the menu on top: http://picpaste.com/menu-5PpsoYDG.png
[12:38] <kavaco> is a graphical problem?
[12:38] <lordievader> To me it looks like it.
[12:39] <kavaco> Ah, this problem just ocurred with the amd radeon
[12:39] <kavaco> with a intel hd, its ok
[12:40] <kavaco> lordievader: on Xfce, the amd catalyst(radeon) its ok too
[12:40] <kavaco> the problem is on kde + amd catalyst
[12:40] <kavaco> xfce + amd catalyst, is ok!
[12:40] <lordievader> What does Kwin use? OpenGL or XRender?
[12:41] <kavaco> i try opengl2 and opengl3, and xrender
[12:41] <BluesKaj> all of them
[12:41] <lordievader> kavaco: Set it to XRender and log out and in again.
[12:42] <kavaco> now, is xrender
[12:42] <kavaco> and Qt option: rasterize
[12:42] <lordievader> kavaco: Ok, log out and log in.
[12:43] <kavaco> ok
[12:48] <kavaco> the same problem
[12:48] <kavaco> D:
[12:49] <lordievader> Hmm, there was only a slim chance of it actually pulling anything off :P
[12:52] <kavaco> lordievader:  yesterday, i try with the compiz, and it works, but some windows dont work very well
[12:53] <lordievader> Blegh, Compiz.
[12:53] <kavaco> blegh?
[12:54] <lordievader> kavaco: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blegh
[13:01] <kavaco_> ...
[13:01] <kavaco_> i back
[13:06] <emanuel> hi
[13:06] <keyonce04> hi
[13:08] <emanuel> you spook italian?
[13:09] <emanuel> *spooke
[13:12] <BluesKaj> !it | emanuel
[13:16] <kavaco> lordievader: is a kwin problem?
[13:45] <kavaco> the neon/kf5 is down?
[13:48] <hateball> kavaco: I think Riddell said it is no longer around
[13:51] <Riddell> replaced by kubuntu-ci
[13:51] <Riddell> BluesKaj: replaced by kubuntu-ci
[13:52] <lordievader> kavaco: I have no idea where the problem lies.
[13:53] <BluesKaj> ok thanks Riddell, aamof I used the the kubuntu-ci and it's fine...plasma 5 seems ok so far
[13:53] <Riddell> yay
[13:54] <BluesKaj> no separate wallpapers for each virtual desktop, but that's minor
[13:54] <BluesKaj> err separate=different :)
[13:58]  * BluesKaj has more coffee
[14:09] <kavaco> hateball: why?
[14:09] <kavaco> lordievader: how to use the opensource drive on hybrid system?
[14:10] <lordievader> kavaco: No idea, never had a hybrid in my hands before.
[14:11] <hateball> kavaco: what chipset is it
[14:11] <hateball> !prime
[14:11] <hateball> :\
[14:11] <hateball> !info nvidia-prime
[14:16] <kavaco> hateball: amd radeon r7 m265(dell)
[14:17] <hateball> kavaco: I left AMD many moons ago, so I know nothing about it
[14:17] <hateball> !amd
[14:17] <hateball> !ati
[14:17] <hateball> That should really be aliased
[14:18] <kavaco> hateball: its ok on xfce, but on kde dont work very well, look:  http://picpaste.com/menu-5PpsoYDG.png
[14:19] <kavaco> the mixer: http://picpaste.com/imagem1-TEp4HgcQ.png
[14:19] <kavaco> when i activate the intel HD, run ok... http://picpaste.com/imagem1-TEp4HgcQ.png
[14:21] <kavaco> this image is the mixer
[14:22] <Sp00ky> kavaco: looks like the error is with qt, not your GPU
[14:22] <kavaco> Sp00ky: what can i do? can you help me?
[14:24] <kavaco> Sp00ky: on xfce, working normally with the amd radeon
[15:21] <BluesKaj> soee, best to upgrade to 15.04 first if that's what you want, then add the kubuntu-ci ppa to the sources.list, then update/upgrade/dist-upgrade
[15:55] <soee> BluesKaj: yeah, but as i said i need xorg-edgers ppa uable, do you think if i use utopic builds in vivid they will work (nvidia drivers)
[16:03] <yossarianuk> if only ubuntu just offered the latest version of the nvidia driver in one of their packages (would be a better desktop if they did.)
[16:03] <yossarianuk>  xorg-edgers ppa also updates xorg and has broken systems in the past.
[16:05] <Avihay_work> Any one knows how to make vboxdrv work for 3d accelleration?
[16:47] <Walex> I use in 12.04 the X packages backported from 14.04/Trusty and they give me pretty good aacceleration with an AMD 7850 which is quite recent
[16:51] <yossarianuk> Avihay_work: install guest additions ?
[16:53] <yossarianuk> Avihay_work:  bare in mind I do not use vbox myself  (only KVM)
[17:25] <skinux> Is it possible to set the Windows key to open the KMenu?
[17:26] <lordievader> skinux: No, the Super key is a modifier key.
[17:26] <skinux> Can any key or combination be set to do so?
[17:27] <lordievader> skinux: A combination, sure.
[17:27] <skinux> How do I do it? Perhaps Alt+S?
[17:28] <rberg_> right click on the K
[17:28] <rberg_> and go to launcher settings
[17:39] <skinux> Thanks
[17:43] <DT__> afternoon
[18:21] <toothe> so, i relaly like empathyk, but the version that comes with Ubuntu is pretty out of date. I tried adding the PPA, but I get 404 errors. What gives?
[18:22] <soee> toothe: empathyk ?
[18:23]  * toothe googles that
[18:24] <toothe> hm...i don't see it...
[18:24] <toothe> im just annoyed how old empathy is
[18:24] <toothe> and my inability to upgrade it.
[18:28] <soee> toothe: what is empathyk ?
[18:28] <toothe> I don't know, you typed it....I said empathy...
[18:28] <toothe> ohhh, no i didn't
[18:28] <toothe> pardon, the chat client empathy
[18:29] <soee> toothe: we have kde-telepathy
[18:29]  * toothe tries.
[18:31] <toothe> its already at the latest version...
[18:32] <toothe> whta's the binary filename?
[18:33] <soee> toothe: its in your Menu under INternet - Contact list or something
[18:33] <soee> ktp-contactlist
[19:03] <spv> !list
[19:36] <soee> how can i check if triple_buffer is enabled in kwin crom cli ?
[21:49] <kristal> I have 2 monitors and i want to run a separate instance of KDE on each screen, anyone know an easy-ish way of doing this?  they can be the same user, but preferably different users
[22:17] <Chaser> kristal: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiseatX (may help ?)
[22:18] <kristal> Chaser: hmm yes that might
[22:43] <MobilRoey> hello all
[22:43] <MobilRoey> heyl... KDE didn't start up for me once I upgraded from 14.04 -> 14.10.  I moved ~/.kde aside and ran startx, letting KDE re-start.  It did.  How can I diagnose what's wrong with my ~/.kde then?
[23:28] <floown> hello
[23:29] <floown> In with file is this section [mysqld] ?
[23:30] <floown> ok I have found it in /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[23:48] <mparillo> skinux: I believe netrunner uses http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=154569
[23:55] <surfs^> hey all
[23:56] <surfs^> how is Kubuntu 14.10 Plasma 5 so far?
[23:56] <surfs^> is it stable enough for everyday use?
[23:56] <surfs^> for someone who isn't afraid of it..


[01:38] <nhaines> Wait, I thing what's missing here is context.
[01:38] <nhaines> Roguehorse: do you want to know about kickstarters as a backer or a project?
[01:52]  * ianorlin right clicks
[02:16] <nhaines> Better than wrong clicks!
[02:17] <pleia2> wrong_clicks--
[02:42] <ianorlin> http://www.gamasutra.com/view/pressreleases/246596/SMACH_Zero_Technical_Specifications.php I wonder how well this could run ubuntu touch
[02:42] <darthrobot`> Title: [Gamasutra - Press Releases - SMACH Zero Technical Specifications]
[02:45] <DonkeyHotei> it's x86, so it cannot
[02:46] <ianorlin> ah
[02:51] <Roguehorse> nhaines: backer
[03:42] <nhaines> Roguehorse: so the way that works is that you find something you believe in and give them money, and hope they can finish it.
[04:12] <Roguehorse> nhaines: Ok, then I guess I would be submitting the project
[04:12] <Roguehorse> nhaines: I've never looked into it before
[04:46] <nhaines> Roguehorse: then the first step is to read the FAQs and look at a few successful crowdfunding campaigns.
[04:46] <nhaines> Typically you need to have a concrete business plan and a working prototype.
[05:34] <Roguehorse> ok.....I'm just getting started but that should be easy enough
[05:59] <nhaines> Crowdfunding is basically for someone who has everything in place and is ready to go and just needs the funding.
[06:00] <nhaines> Because anything less and no one has any confidence to back the project.  :)
[12:09] <nhaines> The cat has decided the best place to sleep is in my room, on top of my old jeans on the bed.
[12:10] <nhaines> This is despite otherwise refusing to sit in my lap or sleep on me bed in any general circumstances.
[17:54] <Roguehorse> I have a bloodhound.......he used to sleep on my bed
[17:54] <Roguehorse> he sleeps on the couch now


[09:24] <Laney> will native syncs land in queues as for normal uploads?
[09:27] <cjwatson> yes
[09:27] <cjwatson> we made sure of that part
[09:36] <Laney> grand
[09:36] <Laney> and just saw the branch got merged, double grand
[09:37] <cjwatson> which one?
[09:37] <cjwatson> oh, ubuntu-dev-tools?
[09:37] <Laney> yep
[09:38] <cjwatson> awesome, I hadn't got the mail yet
[09:38] <Laney> ...which I just subscribed to a bug for some reason (~ubuntu-dev-tools)
[09:38] <Laney> stupid brain
[09:42] <Laney> cjwatson: have you seen<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[09:42] <Laney> just saw it come by in #-release
[09:43] <cjwatson> no, that's handy, I should start usertagging my bugs then
[09:43] <cjwatson> assuming Moritz is OK with that?
[09:44] <cjwatson> I've followed up to a couple of his bugs
[09:44] <cjwatson> (with patches)
[12:17] <cjwatson> tumbleweed: hm, you're the last uploader of ptlib; AFAICS in order to get opal building, we need to bump ptlib to a new upstream version (e.g. merge from Debian experimental)
[12:24] <doko_> cjwatson, would a sync of rootskel from unstable be safe to fix the ftbfs?
[12:24] <tumbleweed> cjwatson: sure I can do that
[13:32] <charlie-tca> seems like the server is having problems building the ubuntustudio images. Can some one kick the thing and try to get them a respin?
[13:33] <charlie-tca> log shows a lot of :
[13:33] <charlie-tca> W: Failed to fetch file:/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/ftp-universe/dists/oneiric/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[13:33] <charlie-tca> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[13:33] <charlie-tca> make[1]: *** [/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/scratch/ubuntustudio/daily/apt/oneiric-amd64/status] Error 100
[13:44] <tumbleweed> cjwatson: the merge is trivial (configure option), but isn't enough to get opal building
[13:44] <tumbleweed> opal-3.8.4~dfsg/src/opal/ivr.cxx:191:40: error: 'class OpalVXMLSession' has no member named 'GetSessionVars'
[13:44] <tumbleweed> and the new opal requires a new spandsp, I don't know how far down this rabbit hole I want to go :)
[13:55] <tumbleweed> aha, with the new spandsp, opal 3.10.1 builds a little further, and hits a libav api change