[00:36] <ndowens> I have a quick question pertaining to packaging.uscan reports that an older version is newer than what I am packaging. How would I stop that?
[00:45] <cjwatson> ndowens: You probably want to do something with uversionmangle to get the upstream version into a canonical form that uscan can compare consistently with dpkg --compare-versions, or else tighten up the regex.  See 'man uscan' for details.
[00:55] <ndowens> cjwatson: I haven't a idea on how I would mangle it
[00:56] <cjwatson> Nor do I, since you haven't given any details :-)
[00:57] <ndowens> it is from SF. it gives me that version 0.20 is newer than 1.3. I just tried to s/0.20// in uversionmangle and then it reported that 0.15 is newer
[00:57] <infinity> ndowens: What's the current package version, and the filename of the upstream version?
[00:57] <cjwatson> Full 'uscan --verbose --report' output and the current contents of debian/watch would help.
[00:58] <cjwatson> (Use paste.ubuntu.com or similar)
[00:58] <ndowens> http://dpaste.com/802354/
[00:59] <cjwatson> That's saying that 1.3 is newer than 0.20.
[01:00] <cjwatson> So I think you've misunderstood the output.
[01:01] <cjwatson> Where did the source for your 1.3 package come from, given that uscan is reporting that nothing called lince 1.3 is available on the upstream site?
[01:02] <cjwatson> (And a quick browse around sourceforge.net/projects/lince seems to confirm that)
[01:02]  * infinity guesses http://sourceforge.net/projects/lincetorrent/files/
[01:02] <ndowens> yup
[01:02] <ndowens> wait hmm
[01:02] <infinity> So, it also seems likely what your debian/watch is wrong. :P
[01:02] <cjwatson> Ah.  Fix your watch file to point to the right upstream URL then.
[01:02] <ndowens> maybe because it is named lincetorrent instead of lince
[01:02] <ndowens> duh me!
[01:02] <cjwatson> And I'd recommend naming the package after the upstream name, too.
[01:03] <ndowens> there we go
[01:03] <cjwatson> Otherwise it'll be trouble for somebody who comes along later and wants to package sourceforge.net/projects/lince
[01:03] <ndowens> There named the package lincetorrent
[01:04] <ndowens> Eventually my Debian package will be available to Ubuntu. Dwb, suppose to be in the latest version of Ubuntu coming out
[01:08] <ndowens> Maybe some people will like it. It is a terminal browser
[02:01] <bryceh> are there any archive admins available?
[02:02] <bryceh> alberto uploaded nvidia-graphics-drivers-experimental on Friday and has been in the acceptance queue over the weekend.
[02:02] <bryceh> we're going to need to rename that package as per the Tech Board decision today, so if that package is still in the queue please reject it.  We'll get a properly renamed package in soon.
[02:03] <RAOF> Will do.
[02:04] <RAOF> bryceh: That's in quantal, yes?
[02:06] <RAOF> Too late; it's accepted.
[02:07] <bryceh> ah well
[02:07] <infinity> We can, however, remove it. :P
[02:08] <RAOF> You can :)
[02:08]  * infinity does so.
[02:08] <bryceh> thanks
[02:08]  * RAOF probably has the power to, but doesn't know how, and definitely doesn't have the authority to :)
[02:08] <infinity> bryceh: Done.
[02:13] <bryceh> RAOF, infinity procedural question...
[02:15] <bryceh> since instead of having a single nvidia-experimental package where we can do the package-acceptance, MIR, SRU processes one time, we're presumably going to have a series of nvidia-experimental-NNN packages - are we going to need to go through these processes every time we add another experimental driver, or can we simplify that process overhead down?
[02:25] <RAOF> bryceh: Are we going to have one nvidia-experimental-NNN per driver series? I'd have thought that would just contain the latest experimental series?
[02:28] <bryceh> RAOF, yeah one per driver series.  It solves two issues.
[02:29] <bryceh> RAOF, the first being that if a user installs say 123.11 required by game A, and then later on game B requires 130.08 so we update nvidia-experimental to 130.08, that would get automatically loaded, so we're exposing the user to a new beta driver unnecessarily
[02:32] <bryceh> RAOF, the second is that in order to ensure the user gets moved to nvidia-current when they do a distro upgrade, at upgrade time the package is a dummy that will depend on nvidia-current.  So having the package named nvidia-experimental-NNN will allow this to be done.
[02:32] <RAOF> Ah, ok. I've got an incorrect understanding of the purpose of -experimental, then.
[02:34] <bryceh> yeah, it's not really intended to be "xorg-edgers for the nvidia masses" but a way to resolve dependencies for games
[02:37] <bryceh> RAOF, infinity so, thoughts on my question above^^ ?
[02:38] <RAOF> My understanding is that the tech board can remove arbitrarily many process constraints.
[02:39] <RAOF> So, there could conceivably be some special-casing for it.
[02:40] <bryceh> ok, great.  I'll clarify with them.
[02:42] <stgraber> bryceh: I'm assuming you have a well documented procedure on how to create one of these new source packages?
[02:43] <stgraber> bryceh: if so, I'd think that we could agree to simplify the New processing as long as the packaging is identical and the "source tarball" comes from the same place
[02:44] <bryceh> stgraber, yes there is a README.debian that covers how to create nvidia packages in general.  The only additional step is the actual rename, which is just a setting in one .in file.
[02:47] <bryceh> stgraber, yes we should be able to arrange for that.  My goal is to basically script the whole process (it's already mostly scripted with a few paint-by-numbers steps).  So the packaging is going to be very predictable.
[02:48] <bryceh> anyway, thanks everyone.  I'm EOD and going afk.
[03:51] <StevenK> steven@undermined:~% ps aux | grep mpc | grep -c 'ZN'
[03:51] <StevenK> 183
[03:51] <StevenK> RAOF: ^
[03:51] <StevenK> Awesome, is it not? :-)
[03:52] <ajmitch> the zombie hordes are attacking?
[03:52] <StevenK> ajmitch: It's a mono bug I'm trying to guilt RAOF into fixing.
[03:53] <StevenK> I'm not sure if its working.
[03:53] <ajmitch> yeah I know, bug with it not waiting properly on children
[04:39] <ScottK> micahg: How do you feel about releasing the chromium-browser SRU in precise?
[04:59] <TheMuso> 4;3~/c
[05:28] <ScottK> ;b!?
[05:35] <pitti> Good morning
[06:55] <dholbach> good morning
[07:03] <slangasek> sbeattie: is this stub icedtea-7-jre-cacao needed for upgrades to precise from an earlier release, or for upgrades within precise?
[07:06] <dholbach> TheMuso, hey Luke - how are you doing?
[07:06] <dholbach> do you know if pyatspi has a ~ubuntu-desktop branch or something?
[07:07] <dholbach> I just uploaded a small fix for it
[07:09] <didrocks> dholbach: are you fixing bug #1052331? (seems to only be missing () around print)
[07:09] <didrocks> hey btw :)
[07:10] <dholbach> didrocks, yes
[07:10] <didrocks> dholbach: doesn't seem to have an ubuntu-desktop branch to me
[07:10] <dholbach> ok good
[07:12] <didrocks> thanks dholbach :)
[07:15] <tsdgeos> could the builder bot besides building also install the package?
[07:15] <tsdgeos> this solve this kind of problem, would it?
[07:49]  * Laney spots a dholbach fixing upgrade bugs!
[08:03] <dholbach> Laney, I felt in the mood for it this morning ;-)
[08:06] <mitya57> barry: good morning
[08:06] <mitya57> did you have a look at my py3-defaults fix?
[08:45] <jamespage> doko_, whens the next rebuild test scheduled for? looking at a fix for maven-debian-helper to auto-install to /usr/share/java if the package is a java library
[08:46]  * ogra_ thinks that will likely happen during the freeze
[08:46] <ogra_> since the buildds will be idling anyway
[08:53] <dholbach> @pilot in
[09:12] <cjwatson> bryceh: we can simplify the process requirements, but I do not think it is worth special-case code in Launchpad to stop them going through NEW at all
[09:29] <jamespage> dholbach, hmm - that sync of uglifyjs might create a problem
[09:30] <jamespage> I'd not noticed that the nodejs/node conflict had been resolved in Debian
[09:30] <cjwatson> by way of a Debian Technical Committee resolution, yes
[09:32] <jamespage> yep - but quantal still carries pre-fixed nodejs version
[09:32] <jamespage> so that will generate an unfulfilable dependency
[09:33] <jamespage> nodejs (>= 0.6.19~dfsg1-3)
[09:33] <dholbach> ugh :(
[09:33] <dholbach> sorry, let me take a look at it
[09:33] <cjwatson> is there any chance we can move forward rather than back on this?
[09:34] <cjwatson> i.e. take the new nodejs?
[09:34] <jamespage> cjwatson, I think so; the breaks are pretty explicitly defined in nodejs 0.6.19~dfsg1-3
[09:35] <cjwatson> I realise that would be a merge, and tracking down the other things that need to be synced/merged as consequences
[09:37] <jamespage> ~90 packages (probably)
[09:38] <cjwatson> substantial enough; happy to defer to your judgement on whether that's best
[09:39] <dholbach> maybe it's less packages, 0.6.19~dfsg1-4 says:
[09:39] <dholbach> +    + Break only packages actually calling /usr/bin/node (directly or
[09:39] <dholbach> +      via env).
[09:39] <jamespage> yeah - I just looked at the Breaks in latest Debian unstable
[09:39] <jamespage> its much shorter
[09:54] <ogra_> lol, dholbach thanks for sponsoring the classmate-tools fix, that remonds me that i forgot to ask for package removal ...
[09:54] <ogra_> *reminds
[09:55] <dholbach> ogra_, did you have a good time in Berlin without me? :-P
[09:55] <ogra_> dholbach, not at all ... i had a horrid drive (6h for 350km) and was just super exhausted when i arrived
[09:55] <dholbach> next time then :)
[09:55] <dholbach> I can't believe we never manage to meet
[09:56] <ogra_> and given that i usually dont get much sleep on the sofa over there, my sat. wasnt much better
[09:56] <ogra_> but for the ride back i picked up a cute hitchhiker ;)
[09:57]  * xnox ponders at what point did above conversation drift to #-offtopic?! =)
[09:57] <ogra_> dholbach, yeah, next time i'll drive on thu and return on monday evening, that should give me some time to actually do something
[09:57] <dholbach> sounds good :)
[09:57] <dholbach> xnox, all my fault
[09:58]  * xnox no worries, it's funny though how both of you are avoiding each other, not on purpose ;-)
[09:58] <ogra_> xnox, its not offtopic we are coordinating workplace joint ventures :P
[09:58] <xnox> trinken sprint?
[10:01] <ogra_> heh, exactly
[10:03] <davmor2> Hey guys the light blue hue around the password box on lightdm is it meant to be blue?  it just looks odd considering all the others hilights are orange on the system
[10:16] <ev> mpt: https://errors.ubuntu.com/ - ever so slowly 12.04 is creeping upward and 12.10 is moving further and further away from it. Yikes.
[10:19] <mpt> ev, I predict that the former is bug 1046269 -- i.e. once we fix that, the 12.04 graph will flat-line
[10:19] <mpt> ev, the latter might be the same bug -- Q has always been that unstable, it's just that until recently people haven't been using it for hours on end.
[10:20] <ogra_> ev, its is totally normal that the amout of bugs rises after beta1
[10:21] <mpt> ev, and still the #1 problem is the ubiquity crash, which people would typically only ever encounter 0 or 1 times.
[10:21] <ogra_> (thats why we shouldnt drop milestones :) they give users confidence)
[10:22] <xnox> ev: I would expect stable release to eventually creep up, and +1 to move down. See for example these charts http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ blue is stable, green is +1, when they "reset" it's a release.
[10:23] <mpt> ogra_, xnox, these aren't bug reports. The number of errors encountered per calendar day is poorly correlated, if at all, with the number of open bug reports.
[10:26] <xnox> i wonder how this is solved in economics with e.g. daily sales figures. In different sectors there will be different "business-lunch" & "weekend-brunch" sales variations, which is ~ same as we are seeing here. Plus unlike sandwich shops we are open 24/7 in all time-zones.... not just one tiem-zone....
[10:26] <mpt> The huge temporary dips in the red line on <http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/> tells me that each release they delude themselves about whether a bug is release-critical or not :-/
[10:27] <mpt> (I'd expect that if they had time-based releases, but not when they don't)
[10:27] <ogra_> well, they try to make a scheduled release date even though they arent time based
[10:27] <ev> ogra_: I don't care what's normal. I care about defining what we think is acceptable. If we really think that each release should creep up in instability and then make a massive effort to get the next LTS more stable than what we've recorded for the past, then lets stand behind that statement.
[10:27] <xnox> mpt: no, the dip in the red-line is the delta of the RC-bugs |stable - testing|, such that the dip is all the bugs closed in new release.
[10:28] <xnox> mpt: in debian they track all bugs per-series, we only track SRU worthy bugs per-series.
[10:28] <ogra_> ev, if we walk with "it *has* to be more stable than the last one from day one" we will kill progress completely ... i think what we need is a compromise or a new way to doing out work to make your requirements work
[10:28] <ogra_> s/to/of/
[10:29] <xnox> mpt: and after the release there is a flood of experimental -> testing uploads with many bugs =)
[10:29] <ogra_> s/out/our/
[10:29] <xnox> hence the jump-back after ~6 month freeze
[10:29] <ev> ogra_: and that conversation is what interests me.
[10:30] <ogra_> ev, right, i dont disagree with your view bit i disagree with the timeline you want to implement it in ... it can only work once we changed our way of working
[10:30] <ogra_> *but
[10:30] <ev> so lets change that come UDS.
[10:30] <ogra_> i think changing development processes has to come first here
[10:30] <mpt> xnox, even so, that curve is implausible. :-) The easy-to-fix bugs would get picked off first, so with genuine prioritization the curve would asymptotically approach zero, not plummet towards it.
[10:31] <ogra_> (and before thet infrastructure changes have to happen so the infrastructure can cope with the new processes)
[10:31] <ogra_> imho measuring comeas last :)
[10:32] <mpt> If you don't measure first you don't know whether any process changes helped
[10:32] <xnox> mpt: the red line is pointless, look at the growing delta between blue & green. release means that blue line becomes the green one. instantly on the day they release.
[10:32] <ogra_> mpt, oh, sure, measure as you like, just dont make policies out of it before we have infarstructure and processes right :)
[10:33] <mpt> xnox, I understand that part, but it's only the red line that interests me, sorry :-)
[10:33] <ev> policies drive process
[10:34] <ogra_> ev, but that doesnt help if the infrastructure cant cope :)
[10:34] <ev> it's simple science
[10:34] <ev> hypothesis: Ubuntu is progressively less stable
[10:34] <ev> we now have data that supports this
[10:34] <ogra_> experience tells differently i think
[10:34] <ev> then comes the solution
[10:35] <ev> ogra_: I trust data infinitely more than personal experience
[10:35] <ogra_> its constantly having instabilities i dont think it degrades
[10:35] <xnox> mpt: if the red line is the only one that interests you, why doesn't error.ubuntu.com show the total of all errors reported? e.g. 12.04 & 12.10 combined then?
[10:35] <ogra_> the areas of problems move around with each release
[10:35] <ricotz> infinity, hi, i don't know the details about the nvidia-experimental thing, but there is a "nvidia-settings-experimental" package too
[10:36] <xnox> mpt: the equivalent of the red line. (bundling together development and stable releases)
[10:36] <mpt> xnox, no it isn't. Once again, open bug reports and error reports are not even close to being the same thing.
[10:37] <ogra_> ev, the point is that with our current process you cant really do the measuring you plan ... we currently explicitly break stuff for 3 months to then fix it again in the other three months
[10:37] <ev> ogra_: that was the old model.
[10:37] <xnox> mpt: because 100 bugs hitting 1 user each != 1 bug hitting 10 000 users. I see. Ok.
[10:37] <ogra_> so you have on half of the cycle where it has to rise massively
[10:37] <mpt> ev, it's way too soon to make that kind of statement. We'll know once we have six months data.
[10:37] <ogra_> ev, well, thats still the used model
[10:37] <ev> no, it isn't.
[10:38] <ev> ogra_: my understanding from what I've been told is that the archive must remain stable from day 1
[10:38] <ev> the CDs must always be installable
[10:38] <xnox> but they weren't
[10:38] <ogra_> it had minor tweaks, but we still have three monts until FF
[10:38] <ev> and that we're now allowed to push things out past Feature Freeze if we can show test coverage and stability
[10:38] <ev> we're moving to a much more fluid, test-first model
[10:38] <ogra_> and during these first three months new code and new bugs land
[10:38] <xnox> ev: we don't redirect all uploads to  dev-proposed, so by definition we cannot make CD installable every day, we can't even build CDs every day.
[10:38] <ev> ogra_: lets be honest - new code and bugs land for six months
[10:38] <xnox> ev: so maybe next cycle.
[10:39] <ogra_> ev, right, "we are moving to" ... thats what i mean
[10:39] <ev> xnox: I'm not saying it's impossible for CDs to be broken
[10:39] <ogra_> ev, well, not if people actually stick to the processes
[10:39] <ogra_> (which i agree not all of us do)
[10:39] <ev> I'm saying that the engineering leadership stood up and said it's unacceptable that CDs are uninstallable
[10:40] <ogra_> and withoout an infrastucture that catches that (staging areas for testing etc) we cant change the process yet
[10:40] <mpt> xnox, bugs almost certainly follow a Zipf distribution, e.g. Microsoft's statement that 1% of bugs account for 50% of errors, and 20% of bugs for 80% of errors
[10:40] <ogra_> while we have minor process tweaks (upload to proposed etc) that doesnt fix the whole yet and is only a start
[10:41] <mpt> Zipf or Pareto
[10:41] <ev> ogra_: we have these things. We need to drive people into them faster. We can't sit around waiting for the perfect infrastructure.
[10:41] <ev> If we slow down before we speed up, so be it.
[10:41] <ogra_> i.e. for installer changes we would need a staging area for the images since you can only really test the installer in context
[10:41] <ogra_> etc etc
[10:43]  * ogra_ looks forward to discuss that at UDS and have some proper planning afterwards
[10:44] <ogra_> all this "we have to .... " without proper technical, process and infrastructure backing doesnt really help
[10:44]  * xnox really wants generate ISOs -> let jenkins auto-test images -> only then release them to cdimage.ubuntu.com
[10:45] <ogra_> xnox, ++
[10:45] <ogra_> so we have at least the installability covered automatic
[10:45]  * xnox had "fun" remarking tens of reported bugs as dupes.... it's like well can I yank the image from cdimage, cause it's borked for ~ 50% of people?
[10:45] <ogra_> but even that has its traps :)
[10:46] <mpt> xnox, and #1 is assigned to you ;-)
[10:46] <ogra_> do you hold back all images of one build if ppc fails this teast (to make sure to not break image consistency across areces) ?
[10:46] <Laney> what do you mean by installability?
[10:46] <xnox> true, but you know basic things.... e.g. if it doesn't boot in a VM / panda-feeder
[10:46] <Laney> you can't even build the live images if you don't have that
[10:46] <ogra_> s/areces/arches/
[10:46] <xnox> ogra_: no, i would hold off just the ppc image. Plus we don't have automatic way to test ppc =)
[10:46] <ogra_> well, then take arm
[10:46] <xnox> ogra_: autotest ppc images that is =)
[10:47] <ogra_> currently we try to keep all images in snyc
[10:47] <ogra_> especially during milestones ...
[10:47] <ogra_> if we drop milestones, how do we guarantee thois consistency ?
[10:48] <ogra_> i doubt all this is doable in one release ... too many established processes that grew over years have to be changed completely
[10:52] <soren> xnox: How'd you debug the problems found by Jenkins if you can't get to the images?
[10:53] <xnox> soren: good point. How'd you stop manual auto testing if the images are borked?
[10:53] <xnox> soren: after jenkins / first person finds out they are borked?
[10:53]  * xnox s/manual auto testing/manual testing/
[10:56] <ogra_> soren, you just fish it out of the staging area where jenkins pulled it from
[10:57]  * ogra_ is out to customs office
[11:00] <soren> xnox: What's "manual auto testing"?
[11:01] <soren> xnox: Anyways, we could probably make Jenkins push a .b0rken file to cdimage akin to the .oversized marker we have.
[11:04] <pitti> ev: hey Evan, how are you?
[11:04] <pitti> ev: do you have an opinion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1050853/comments/3 wrt. the tags we should use?
[11:04] <ev> pitti: excellent, thanks. How are you?
[11:04] <pitti> ev: je suis bien, merci :)
[11:05] <pitti> err, "je vais bien"
[11:06] <ev> pitti: :)
[11:06] <ev> pitti: I'm not sure where the tags even come in. http://daisy.ubuntu.com definitely doesn't pay attention to tags from Launchpad.
[11:07] <pitti> ev: ah, it can't/won't look at report['Tags']?
[11:07] <ev> ohhh
[11:07] <pitti> I think Launchpad-wise a "proposed" tag woudl make mose sense
[11:07] <pitti> most
[11:07] <pitti> but of course this needs to work for errors.u.c. as well, otherwise it's missing the point
[11:08] <pitti> ev: I'm also fine with a different field, but on LP bugs this would be more clutter and harder to search for
[11:09] <cjwatson> ev: I was very clear that the intent of the +1 maintenance effort was to make CDs installable *from alpha-1 onwards*, and Rick has supported that qualification; so I'd appreciate it if you didn't generalise that beyond what's promised.
[11:09] <ev> cjwatson: I misunderstood then. Sorry.
[11:09] <cjwatson> (Well, an intent.  There are several.)
[11:10] <cjwatson> Sigh.  You know what I hate?  Reaching a bug on my to-do list, and the first thing I have to do is undo lots of misguided metadata changes.
[11:11] <ev> pitti: so where apport puts it really doesn't matter to me, so long as it's done independent of the Launchpad infrastructure
[11:11] <pitti> ev: it'd be something like 'proposed' in report['Tags']
[11:11] <ev> that is, as long as it's in a field that whoopsie can parse at the time we mark the report for uploading, then that's sufficient
[11:11] <pitti> ev: or to be really correct, 'proposed' in report['Tags'].split()
[11:12] <ev> hmm, so "precise proposed" would be in the tags?
[11:12] <pitti> yes, and potentially lots more
[11:12] <ev> and never precise quantal proposed?
[11:12] <pitti> well, I can't really promise what tags package hooks add
[11:12] <ev> :)
[11:13] <pitti> ev: for the release I'd advise to look at DistroRelease:
[11:13] <ev> ah yes, of course
[11:13] <ev> and that solves my next concern
[11:13] <pitti> (I guess/hope that's what you are using already0
[11:13] <ev> which would've been mapping from the release nicknames to the actual numbers
[11:13] <ev> which we're getting from DistroRelease
[11:13] <ev> so excellent
[11:13] <ev> sounds like we have a solution
[11:13] <pitti> splendid
[11:14] <pitti> we can also call it "package-from-proposed" to reduce the chance of hitting an already existing tag with a different meaning
[11:14] <pitti> mvo: OOI, how does apt manage to record the origin of an installed package?
[11:15] <pitti> mvo: I do understand how the origin of the candidate works, but I didn't think that the installed package origin was recorded anywhere
[11:17] <pitti> mvo: or does it just mix'n'match the installed version number against the available candidates?
[11:18] <cjwatson> It doesn't
[11:18] <cjwatson> I mean, it doesn't record it.  Any notion of the origin is synthesised later
[11:18] <pitti> mvo: i. e. if I see archive:'precise-proposed', can I rely on that it really came from -proposed, or only that it is in -proposed (but it might have the same version in -updates)?
[11:18] <pitti> cjwatson: ok, that's what I thought, thanks
[11:18] <mvo> pitti: yes, its just picking from the available ones, it would be great if it would record the origin but it does not currently
[11:18] <pitti> so I guess to answer "is this a proposed package", I'd rather check the available version numbers myself
[11:19] <mvo> pitti: you can iterate over the available origins
[11:19] <mvo> pitti: if its both in -updates and in -proposed then it should have them both in pkg.installed.origins
[11:20] <pitti> mvo: ah, that's helpful
[11:30] <jamespage> cjwatson, please could you accept the nodejs-legacy binary package in the quantal NEW queue
[11:45] <pitti> == Tags [11:45] <pitti>  precise package-from-proposed running-unity
[11:45] <pitti> ev: ^ voila
[11:48] <pitti> ev, mvo: crude, but effective (I don't want to call Pyton and wait for an apt.Cache() object, apt-cache showpkg is faster): http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu/quantal/apport/ubuntu/revision/2088
[11:49] <pitti> ev: this should hopefully be SRUable, too
[12:00] <cjwatson> jamespage: done - sorry for the delay
[12:00] <jamespage> cjwatson, np - thanks
[12:04] <ev> pitti: cheers! Do we not also want a tag for -updates?
[12:07] <xnox> -security?
[12:07] <xnox> backports?
[12:12] <doko> jamespage, was waiting for the gnome update, so I should be able to start Wed/Thu
[12:13] <jamespage> doko, OK - I have a fix for m-d-h to make it a little more intelligent with regards to when it installs to /usr/share/java
[12:13] <jamespage> but the test suite in the package is rubbish - its not deterministic
[12:13] <jamespage> I can run it three times a get different results each time
[12:28] <jamespage> it also in no way simulates what m-d-h does when it actually builds a package either...
[12:47] <pitti> ev: would that be any useful?
[12:47] <ev> I guess not as it's really the same view as the release by itself
[12:47] <ev> so ignore me :)
[12:49] <cjwatson> So, I'm working on bug 1047550, and am slightly freaked that this didn't come up in beta-1 testing output as far as I saw
[12:50] <cjwatson> Did I miss it, or do we not do any (non-Mac!) UEFI ISO testing at the moment?
[12:51] <xnox> My laptop doesn't boot ISOs in UEFI mode =( and I am yet to convert my laptop to UEFI manually.
[12:51] <xnox> cjwatson: maybe we need to add another test case / config to the iso tracker with non-mac UEFI
[12:52] <xnox> such that it will hopefully be tested.
[12:53] <cjwatson> Possibly, but I'd like to know first whether I just missed the output
[12:57] <dholbach> can somebody please reject https://code.launchpad.net/~bkerensa/ubuntu/quantal/wulfware/move-homepage-field/+merge/124137?
[12:59] <pitti> dholbach: *zap*
[12:59] <dholbach> thanks
[13:05]  * didrocks wonders where his libsecret, gcr, gnome-keyring, libcryptui, seahorse-nautilus upload went
[13:05] <pitti> right -> there? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsecret/0.10-0ubuntu1
[13:06] <didrocks> did you get some emails on quantal-changes?
[13:06]  * pitti chuckles about didrocks's most intriguing changelog in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-keyring/3.5.92-0ubuntu1
[13:06] <pitti> didrocks: it seems emails are stalled
[13:06] <didrocks> pitti: urgh :)
[13:06] <pitti> I didn't get an ack mail for apport either
[13:06] <didrocks> pitti: it's a secret!
[13:06] <pitti> didrocks: *shh* it's secret!
[13:06] <dholbach> @pilot out
[13:06]  * pitti ^5s didrocks
[13:07] <didrocks> pitti: ok, when I saw the email for linux-meta at 14:59, knowing I updated those 30 minutes ago, I started to wonder
[13:07]  * didrocks ^5s pitti :)
[13:38] <jamespage> broder, ping re lintian.ubuntuwire.org
[13:38] <jamespage> I'd like to get a experimental check enabled for quantal - is that possible?
[13:49] <cjwatson> Ah.  The UEFI installation bug above is a bit more constrained than I previously thought, so even if we do test it I have an explanation for why ISO testing wouldn't have run across it.
[13:50] <xnox> bug 1024202 apport crash report about apport crashing =) oh the irony
[13:50] <xnox> ... marking as being affected.
[13:51] <TheLordOfTime> lol, i've seen taht before, that's not the first time i've seen that in the past few days :P
[14:05] <sbeattie> slangasek: upgrades within precise
[14:08] <barry> mitya57: thanks for the reminder, i'm looking at it right now
[14:09] <mitya57> barry: great!
[14:30] <broder> jamespage: hey - i'm swamped this week, but could do it next, or maybe this weekend. can you send me an email with the details?
[14:33] <jamespage> broder, thanks - details on the way
[14:43] <tkamppeter> Laney, doko, hi
[14:44] <tkamppeter> Laney, doko, I have a problem with Avahi
[14:52] <doko> tkamppeter, why do you ask me? ;)
[15:08] <tkamppeter> Laney, doko, host names with NAME.local do not get resolved and an Avahi service (remote printer) does not get resolved via avahi_service_resolver_new()
[15:08] <tkamppeter> doko, sorry, you were in debian/changelog of avahi-daemon
[15:15] <didrocks> dholbach: I will probably switch my patch pilot for next week
[15:16] <didrocks> dholbach: can't do it tomorrow with all PS crazyness
[15:17] <tkamppeter> slangasek, can you help me with an Avahi issue?
[15:20] <ev> mpt: http://poppy-dev.local/?launchpad=false - should asynchronously load the colors
[15:21] <mpt> ev, works in Firefox :-)
[15:22] <ev> mpt: I tested it there too :)
[15:23] <mpt> ev, have you figured out why bug 1027648 is highlighted as a regression? It was never marked fixed.
[15:24] <ev> I'll have a look in a moment
[15:25] <xnox> ev, mpt: well.... maybe it should be as it is resurrected bug 792652 and should have the same crash signature
[15:28] <mpt> ok
[15:35] <ev> mpt: fixed
[15:59] <elmo> tkamppeter: around?
[16:23] <dholbach> didrocks, sure sure
[18:32] <paultag> jodh: Hey, I saw your ITP, and replied without thinking to ask if I got it right. Any idea if I used a silly argument? I'd be happy to clear it up without causing more of a ruckus
[18:56] <paultag> Ah, I see you already replied, jodh. Toodles.
[19:12] <xnox> jbicha: what installation about ubiquity is there?
[19:12] <xnox> jbicha: I want some UIFe for ubiquity crypt & regression w.r.t. scrollbars
[19:13] <xnox> bug 1042649 and bug 1052040
[19:14] <xnox> jbicha: installation docs that is.
[19:19] <Laney> poor docs team
[19:20] <jbicha> xnox: oh, I was out this morning and didn't get a chance to reply to your email; the Docs Team handles help.ubuntu.com but we don't have any control over ubuntu.com
[19:20] <xnox> jbicha: ok. And how about granting those UIFe =)))) from docs team perspective? do they affect docs much.
[19:21] <xnox> jbicha: there is only screenshots from 10.04 on the Graphical install wiki page.
[19:21] <xnox> jbicha: nothing that I can see on the plain help.ubuntu.com
[19:21] <jbicha> right, ubuntu-docs doesn't really have ubiquity docs; so no objections from the Docs Team
[19:21] <TheLordOfTime> jbicha, so if help.ubuntu.com needs updating, do i go poke the docs team, or...?
[19:21] <xnox> jbicha: but I don't know about about localised and / or ubuntu books etc.
[19:21] <xnox> jbicha: ok, thanks.
[19:22] <jbicha> I've not heard any one from the Ubuntu books complain yet, I don't think it will cause a problem for the Ubuntu Manual
[19:22] <TheLordOfTime> whoops, wrong location to ask, sorry
[19:22] <jbicha> does the crypt stuff add new strings for translation though?
[19:23] <jbicha> TheLordOfTime: if it's help.ubuntu.com/community you should be able to update the wiki yourself; otherwise yeah you can file a bug
[19:23] <xnox> jbicha: no it does not. I have added the strings in advance before translation freeze.
[19:24] <xnox> jbicha: I had all the mock-ups so I new the strings up front =) and I withhold urges to change strings.
[19:24]  * xnox withheld?
[19:24] <Laney> i'd say resisted
[19:24]  * xnox chooses native speaker option.
[19:24] <xnox> I resisted urges to change strings =)
[19:50] <Caesar> Could someone running quantal please do cal | hexdump -C and stick the output in a pastebin for me? Want to see if a bug in precise is still in quantal
[20:01] <xnox> Caesar: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1213597/
[20:17] <Caesar> Thanks xnox
[20:42] <trism> weird message from launchpad about being unable to import the translations in es.po from gnome-control-center 1:3.4.2-0ubuntu15, looking at the file there are a bunch of carriage returns which it seems to be failing on. It isn't part of the diff from ubuntu14 to ubuntu15 so it must have been in the last upload as well, should I worry about it?
[20:43] <xnox> trism: don't worry about it =)
[20:43]  * xnox had similar one before
[20:43] <trism> xnox: alright, thanks :)
[20:43] <xnox> trism: lp side fails to parse some bits which are actually valid or something like that.
[22:18] <bdmurray> stgraber: testing bug 946406 with a 12.04.1 iso I am not able to recreate it
[22:19] <stgraber> bdmurray: yeah, I know but the italians say they can...
[22:22] <stgraber> bdmurray: added a comment asking for a lot more details on what exactly they're doing
[22:49] <mwhudson> obscure question i guess, but why might an upstart job that has
[22:49] <mwhudson> start on runlevel [23]
[22:49] <mwhudson> not start on boot?
[22:50] <mwhudson> this is on a nano image on a beagle xm fwiw
[22:50] <mwhudson> i've added --verbose to the kernels args and see _some_ upstart activity...
[22:51] <sarnold> what does runlevel(8) report as the runlevel once your system is running?
[22:51] <mwhudson> ah so you see
[22:51] <mwhudson> the fun thing is that i can't get into the system :-)
[22:51] <sarnold> oh! that's fun. :)
[22:51] <mwhudson> the upstart job i am curious about is the one that starts a console on the serial line
[22:51] <mwhudson> and the image doesn't have openssh or anything like that
[22:52] <sarnold> is openssh-server too large for th...
[22:52] <sarnold> drat :)
[22:52] <mwhudson> i can mount the sd card and play chroot games i guess
[22:52] <mwhudson> not sure how i'd determine the ip address though
[22:53] <sarnold> dhcpd logs?
[22:53] <mwhudson> i guess
[22:53] <sarnold> tcpdump and look for arp who-has requests? IIRC the Linux stack will query for its own IP when coming online..
[22:55] <mwhudson> hee /sbin/ldconfig: 15: cannot create /dev/null: Permission denied
[22:55] <mwhudson> i guess i forgot something when chrooting then
[23:12] <mwhudson> oh what, i boot it with a network cable attached and i get the console on the serial line
[23:12] <mwhudson> nevermind though
[23:14] <sarnold> mwhudson: heh, but if you unplug the nic the serial console goes away too?
[23:22] <mwhudson> sarnold: don't know
[23:22] <mwhudson> sarnold: don't actually care either :)
[23:23] <sarnold> :)
[23:23] <mwhudson> (i'm just using the device to test some host-side debugging stuff, i just need it running)


[10:31] <mhroncok> smoser: ping
[14:35] <smoser> bah.
[14:35] <smoser> mhroncok, tennis, you can't just ask questions and then leave.
[14:36]  * smoser is still on reduced computer hours
[15:19] <ericsnow> PTAL https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1404311
[15:46] <smoser> i'll look at that now. :)
[16:18] <ericsnow> thanks!
[16:31] <wwitzel3> smoser: o/
[16:31] <smoser> o/
[16:31] <smoser> looking at your MP for bug 1404311
[16:31] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~wwitzel3/cloud-init/gce/+merge/245209
[16:32] <smoser> the LOG messages on line 29 of the diff there look wrong.
[16:32] <smoser> LOG.warn...
[16:32] <smoser> you have None, None
[16:32] <smoser> but do not have a '%s' at all in the string
[16:34] <wwitzel3> smoser: yep, you are right
[16:34] <wwitzel3> smoser: I will correct that
[16:42] <wwitzel3> smoser: correction pushed up
[17:13] <smoser> wwitzel3, ok. i merged. please do check what is in trunk now just to be sure but it shoudl be good.
[17:13] <smoser> you had a pep8 error like this: {'key':'value'}
[17:13] <smoser> which should have required white space between ':' but wasnt.
[17:14] <wwitzel3> smoser: hrmm, surprised my vim didn't warn or auto correct that
[17:14] <smoser> and i didn't understand why ./tools/run-pep8 didn't catch it. now it does.
[17:14] <smoser> thats why most of the noise in my commits before merge
[17:14] <wwitzel3> smoser: I probably messed something up when I install all the go-vim stuff
[17:15] <wwitzel3> smoser: thank you, so for testing this against GCE live .. how would I go about doing that?
[17:15] <smoser> that is kind of hard isnt it. can you re-bundle an instance?
[17:16] <smoser> ie, launch one, patch it, create a snapshot and then from there?
[17:16] <wwitzel3> smoser: hrmm, maybe? .. is there an easy way to re-run the cloud-init process on an instance?
[17:17] <wwitzel3> smoser: I could create and instance, patch, and just re-run the part of the scipt that consumes the metadata and generates the file
[17:18] <wwitzel3> I actually don't know anything about when cloud-init actually runs
[17:18] <wwitzel3> I can probably figure it out :)
[17:19] <smoser> wwitzel3, yeah, you can do that.
[17:19] <smoser> actually  if you just
[17:19] <smoser> rm -Rf /var/lib/cloud; reboot
[17:19] <smoser> that shoudl be good
[17:19] <smoser> after installing your new deb
[17:20] <wwitzel3> smoser: ok, awesome I will give that a shot
[17:20] <wwitzel3> smoser: thanks again
[18:04] <wwitzel3> smoser: confirmed the new behavior, thanks again :)
[19:50] <wwitzel3> smoser: so what will be the next steps to get the new update in to live gce? is there a schedule for releases?


[02:47] <CIA-87> usb-creator: superm1 * r324 usb-creator/debian/changelog: add bug number
[09:13] <ara> ev, good morning
[09:53] <ev> hi ara
[09:53] <ev> good morning
[09:53] <ara> ev, morning!
[09:53] <ara> ev, I pinged you because I wanted to ask you about your automated testing of the installer
[09:53] <ara> ev, how is that going?
[09:54] <ev> waiting on IS to give me space in the Millbank datacenter
[09:55] <ev> ara: RT 40560 and RT 40559
[09:56] <ara> ev, and in your local server? does it work already?
[09:57] <ev> as far as what I've tested previously.  I still need to do a bit of work on the PXE side of things.
[09:57] <ev> but yeah, once a machine starts booting the modified Ubuntu image, it's golden
[10:04] <ara> ev, great
[10:04] <ev> I've been a bit tied down with bug fixing at the moment, but I hope to finish it off this weekend / next.  Hopefully by then IS will have space ready.
[10:05] <ara> ev, are you running it in your local server on a regular basis? (and reporting back?)
[10:05] <ev> next> next week, not next weekend
[10:05] <ev> no, though I probably should start
[10:32] <ev> ugh
[10:33] <ev> apparently I didn't think through this timezone stuff enough
[10:33] <ev> a latitude longitude pair is not enough, as a location might be physically closer to one timezone than another, but still be in the further away one.
[10:34] <ev> fairly obvious, but I completely missed it :-/
[11:03] <ev> so I need to either layer another free service on top ( http://services.gisgraphy.com/geoloc/geolocsearch?lat=26.566460&lng=-80.053370&radius=&placetype=city&format=XML&from=1&to=10 ), or construct a more detailed map that color codes all the polygons, not just the timezone bands. This: http://efele.net/maps/tz/world/ has the latter, but is the wrong map projection.
[11:49] <ev> oh thank god, someone's done the work: http://blog.makerlab.org/2009/05/olson-code-timezones-geekery/
[11:49] <ev> I can probably build something better off the efele.net stuff, but this will be a good start
[11:58] <cjwatson> "I'd benchmark it if there was any conceivable contender for a faster solution" :-)
[12:06] <ev> heh
[13:07] <JeffP-BR> Hello All. I'm in trouble installing Ubuntu Server from a pen drive in a machine without cdrom drive. I've wrote the ISO image of Ubuntu Server 10.10_beta on the USB drive and the boot process is ok but the ubuntu installer stay asking for a CD rom drive. Does anybody can help me to solve this issue?
[13:08] <ev> put cdrom-detect/try-usb=true on the kernel command line.  usb-creator does this for you.
[13:09] <JeffP-BR> Hello ev. Thanks. I'll try this.
[14:49] <ev> okay, we have a solution for the hostname thing
[14:50] <ev> I've spoken with Ivanka and we're going to put it back in with some minor changes
[14:52] <ev> the autogenerated hostname will be username-model
[14:52] <cjwatson> model?
[14:53] <ev> where model is grabbed from dmidecode, if set, otherwise it's  username-desktop/laptop or username-ubuntu
[14:54] <ev> I have no preference on username-chassis vs username-distribution
[14:54] <ev> sorry, spoken with Ivanka and mpt to be clear
[15:06] <persia> Just as a side note, I have more than one product where the dmidecode System Information/Product Name is "To Be Filled By O.E.M.".  I have other systems where dmidecode is not available.
[15:07] <highvoltage> hi! are there issues on i386 with ubiquity atm? on Edubuntu, it stops at the timezone selection (but continues to install) and doesn't show the ubiquity-slideshow
[15:07] <highvoltage> it works fine on amd64 though
[15:08] <superm1> highvoltage, this is with current dailies?
[15:09] <highvoltage> superm1: yep
[15:10] <highvoltage> I'll try with an ubuntu daily next just to make sure that it's not edubuntu specific
[15:10] <superm1> highvoltage, can you check if both your amd64 and i386 have the new ubiquity (2.3.17) or if one of them failed to build and it's using the older one?  that's quite peculiar
[15:10] <highvoltage> they're both on 2.3.17
[15:11] <superm1> OK then when the i386 gets to the point that it can't proceed any more, open a terminal (ctrl-alt-t will do it) and run ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[15:11] <highvoltage> ah, the timezone window eventually loaded, it was just slow on i386, weird
[15:11] <superm1> oh, are you perhaps on a network that can't get to the internet?
[15:12] <highvoltage> it has internet
[15:12] <superm1> or needs a proxy to do so at least
[15:14] <highvoltage> doesn't need a proxy either
[15:19] <superm1> not anything that stands out to me for what's causing it then
[15:23] <highvoltage> superm1: turns out I was the problem. I expected a timezone to already be selected when the timezone dialog loaded and that the forward button would be selectable (I think it was like that in previous versions of ubiquity)
[15:23] <highvoltage> sorry :)
[15:23] <superm1> well a timezone should have already been selected..
[15:23] <superm1> it uses a geoip service to try to choose one for you automagically when you have internet access
[15:25] <highvoltage> I guess something goes wrong there then. it's in a virtual machine that's nat'd, but it has internet access without requiring a proxy being set up
[15:30] <davmor2> ev: I'm taking it the translations team are still working on the text in the slides?
[15:31] <ev> they will hopefully be when it lands
[15:31] <ev> it's currently blocked on Dylan finishing it
[15:33] <superm1> highvoltage, i just compared 2.3.16 to 2.3.17 and it looks fine to me, my timezone was picked in both.. if you keep running into it, please run ubiquity in debug mode and file a bug
[15:33] <Riddell> ev: are you still expecting to install libdvdcss from ubiquity?
[15:34] <ev> Riddell: yeah, it will require an exception, but I planned on doing that this weekend
[15:34] <superm1> how?  it's not in any repos?
[15:34] <Riddell> ev: any UI to that or will it just magically work with KDE UI?
[15:34] <ev> superm1: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[15:34] <ev> Riddell: magic
[15:35] <Riddell> cor
[15:36] <superm1> ev, that just frightens me a bit, wget'ing from a non archive site that hasn't been verified
[15:37] <ev> superm1: well, that's why it's behind a checkbox.  It's the user's choice to do so.
[15:42] <highvoltage> superm1: ok, will do
[15:56] <ev> thoughts on this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/491013/
[15:56] <ev> ?
[16:20] <ScottK> Riddell and ev: default hostname on ubiquity-kde 2.3.17 is blank (KDE U/I has always kept it).
[16:38] <ScottK> Riddell and ev: with ebiquity 2.3.17, the install options I get are "Install them side by side...", "Erase and use entire disk", and "Specify partitions manually (advanced)".  Are those all the ones I'm supposed to have?
[16:39] <ev> well, there's also use largest free space, but I haven't implemented that yet
[16:39] <ev> we removed it from the gtk frontend
[16:40] <ScottK> OK.
[16:41] <ScottK> Also the hostname was pre-filled on the full disk install, just not side by side.
[16:41] <ev> eh?
[16:41] <ScottK> We've kept the hostname in the -kde dialogue all along and when I tried a side by side install just now it was blank.
[16:42] <ev> ah, I'll fix that in a bit as I'm adding back the gtk hostname as we speak
[16:42] <ev> it's not dependant on what partitioning method you choose though
[16:42] <ScottK> Excellent.
[16:42] <ScottK> OK.
[17:10] <ScottK> ev: It's officially kind of odd then.  I get hostname pre-filled in on a full disk install, but not on a sidebyside.
[17:14] <ev> ...weird
[17:14] <ev> slightly unsettling.  I wonder if debconf is getting trashed.
[17:15] <ev> ScottK: can you please provide ubiquity -d logs for both
[17:15]  * ev meeting
[17:15]  * ScottK will try.
[18:08] <ev> the /var/log/installer/debug log will be the most important
[18:14] <ScottK> OK.  The install is finishing now.
[18:14] <ScottK> (the one where it wasn't pre-populated)
[18:33] <scott__> ev: Bug #634279 (This is ScottK)
[18:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 634279 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Hostname not pre-populated on ubiquity-kde side by side installs (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/634279
[19:00] <ScottK> ev: I figured out what I was doing different.  If I stick with the automatic username (first name from "Your name"), then no hostname.  As soon as I change the username from the pre-picked one, then the hostname fills right away.
[19:01]  * ScottK adds that to the bug.
[22:31] <CIA-87> ubiquity: evand * r4306 trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[22:31] <CIA-87> ubiquity: Translate latitude and longitude from the Geonames service to its
[22:31] <CIA-87> ubiquity: respective Olsen timezone database entry.
[22:42] <ev> ScottK: thanks
[23:19] <ev> cjwatson: jockey debconf> in the event that I can't crack this chestnut by final freeze, how crackful would it be to simply dpkg-divert the man-db trigger?


[05:24] <pleia2> http://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html
[05:24] <pleia2> based on xubuntu, they give out CDs and stuff at conferences :)
[15:54] <muzzol> hi
[15:55] <muzzol> how do you avoid first login panel message? i've been playing with xdg settings without luck
[16:23] <mr_pouit> muzzol: you need to patch the panel
[16:24] <muzzol> mr_pouit: which file?
[16:24] <mr_pouit> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/quantal/xfce4-panel/quantal/view/head:/debian/patches/xubuntu_support-multiple-vendor-default-configs.patch for example
[16:24] <mr_pouit> that's the patch we use
[16:25] <mr_pouit> it will hide the migration dialog and directly use settings from xubuntu/mythbuntu/ubuntu-studio when no previous config exists
[16:26] <muzzol> ok, i can see that the file it searches is default.xml in XDG_CONFIG_DIRS, right?
[16:27] <mr_pouit> with the patch, yes
[16:27] <mr_pouit> without the patch, it only uses /etc/xdg/xfce4/panel/default.xml
[16:27] <muzzol> ok, the patch is in xfce4-panel so it applies even if there's no xubuntu* package installed, right?
[16:28] <mr_pouit> yes
[16:28] <muzzol> im using 12.04, by the way
[16:28] <micahg> mr_pouit: session in #ubuntu-uds-grand-ballroom-b for infrastructure for Ubuntu flavors, pad here: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20809/other-q-ubuntu-flavors/
[16:28] <muzzol> i've read that i can force specific config with XFCE_PANEL_MIGRATE_DEFAULT, is that correct in 12.04?
[16:32] <mr_pouit> muzzol: no, it was only implemented in git master, and dropped before 4.10
[16:32] <muzzol> ah, i see
[16:33] <muzzol> so how can i force specific config?
[16:33] <mr_pouit> (afaik, someone needs to check the git log for a more accurate thing ;-)
[16:33] <mr_pouit> muzzol: if it's with the xfce4-panel package from ubuntu, set xdg_config_dirs correctly, and drop your file in it
[16:34] <muzzol> where must i set xdg_config_dirs?
[16:36] <mr_pouit> from startxfce4 for example, or if you use lightdm, it builds it from the session name
[16:38] <muzzol> ah, i see, so if i create a desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions it uses it's name to look for confs
[16:38] <muzzol> for example /etc/xdg/xdg-school
[16:41] <muzzol> so it's lightdm that set xdg_config_dirs befor calling whatever session script...
[16:41] <muzzol> that's what i missed totally
[16:41] <muzzol> thanks a lot mr_pouit
[16:41] <muzzol> helped me a lot
[16:41] <muzzol> :)
[20:50] <knome> pleia2, just wrote a plugin that stores the page uploads in a separate directory
[20:59] <knome> pleia2, https://github.com/knomepasi/WordPress-plugins/blob/master/separate-page-attachments/separate-page-attachments.php <-- and there it is :)
[20:59] <knome> i know, it's hardcoded... but for next version then ;)


[01:08] <slangasek> jibel: blah, 'getty1' is not the name of a tty.
[06:31] <Laibsch> Can somebody help me understand what's going on in bug 991471? It still affects bionic and I'd like to see what I can do to get it fixed. IOW, how does the automatic mounting happen?
[07:26] <eoli3n> Hi
[07:26] <eoli3n> will bionic netboot installer be realease the same day that desktop installer ?
[07:40] <jibel> slangasek, thanks for the fix. Tested and merged.
[13:38] <joelkraehemann> nacc: hi
[13:39] <joelkraehemann> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gsequencer
[13:39] <joelkraehemann> ^^ we could basically sync
[22:15] <xnox> kirkland, hi, Re:subiquity installer options. At the install path choice, we have "Install Ubuntu", <thing for maas region (full)>, <thing for maas rack>
[22:15] <xnox> kirkland, previous suggestion was for us to switch and call the product "Install MAAS bare metal cloud" but how is that supposed to be multiplexed into rack & region?
[22:15] <xnox> "Install MAAS bare-metal cloud (region)" & "Install MAAS bare-metal cloud (rack)"
[22:15] <xnox> kirkland, a comment on https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/subiquity/pull/309 would be appreciated. Thanks a lot.
[22:32] <dpb1> xnox: the wording?
[22:37] <dpb1> xnox: what vorlon has suggested looks right...  And is british english cased, so we are good there too.
[23:36] <xnox> dpb1, ack
[23:41] <hallyn> xnox: github.com/CanonicalLtd?  omg
[23:45] <sarnold> hey hallyn :)
[23:46] <hallyn> hey :)


[00:04] <theacolyte> WhatI've found in 10.04 is if you do anything that interferes with the boot process, like in my instance, incorrectly adding an IP to a network interface, and you reboot
[00:04] <theacolyte> You can't boot anymore
[00:04] <theacolyte> Not to sound unconstructive, but that seems pretty awful to me
[00:04] <theacolyte> And now I can't get into single user mode to fix it
[00:05] <theacolyte> So I'd be more than glad ffor some suggestions.
[00:08] <theacolyte> wonderful
[00:30] <theacolyte> How do I access the drive on my ubutnu server if I can't  boot?
[00:30] <theacolyte> I need to edit /etc/network
[00:30] <theacolyte> since apparently that broke it
[01:59] <Smeh> ok, in bug reports / install guides etc for 10.04 i keep coming across people refering to choosing "advanced" at the end of the installer where you can choose / check what drive grub is going to be installed to
[02:00] <Smeh> but don't see any evidence of any advanced option myself? :|
[02:03] <Smeh> also, on a tangentially related note, say i'm aiming for a LAMP server with x-windows gui, which makes more sense
[02:03] <Smeh> starting with server and installing X, or using desktop and installing the lamp services?
[02:10] <pmatulis> Smeh: if your desktop environment will be GNOME i would choose the latter
[02:15] <Smeh> probably will be gnome
[03:12] <STF> hi
[03:13] <STF> i running my ubuntu-server on a Laptop, without x11, and now i'm looking for a way to shutdown the backlight of my screen, cause i administrat my server about ssh from another machine
[03:39] <qman__> closing the lid usually does the trick
[03:42] <RickyWh1> is it easy to switch out apache2 for cherokee ?
[03:46] <RickyWh1> is there some way I can test my apache server to find out how many requests it can handle before it gets overloaded?
[03:51] <fbc-mx> does anyone know of a condition that would make everything even your root disappear then mysteriously come back after a reboot? ex."-bash: /bin/ls: Input/output error"
[03:56] <fbc-mx> a
[03:59] <gkahla> is hald enabled by default on ubuntu server 10.4?
[04:01] <deslector> hi, what is the best way to run iFolder on Ubuntu?
[04:09] <lord_koala> Hi everyone: dmesg | grep wlan0 gives me wlan0: cannot get RID fd42 (len=6) - no PRI f/w  ... I am trying to connect with my prism 2.5 chip wi-fi card. ifconfig only shows eth0 and lo. I tried to load some firmware to /etc/network/ınterfaces for prısm 2.5 and no luck. lspci -v shows I have my network card ıs prısm 2.5. Any help is appreciated. thanks.
[04:09] <lord_koala> I am running hardy 8.04 server edition.
[04:10] <acerimmer> When running Virtual Box on ubuntu server, how do I network connect to the virtual machine?
[04:34] <f1yback> if it's in bridge mode
[04:34] <f1yback> just like any other real box on your lan acerimmer
[04:38] <acerimmer> f1yback: ah.  thank you. gottago and try it
[04:38] <f1yback> smoke me a kipper
[04:47] <RickyWh1> which file to I edit to top apache2 web server from loading up?
[04:52] <acerimmer> f1yback: whattaguy!
[04:53] <f1yback> heheh
[05:18] <chrismsnz> hey guys, i'm installing security updates on my server
[05:18] <chrismsnz> is there a command that will show me a changelog for the affected packages before i install them?
[05:19] <cleary> hi folks, I'm setting up a ppa for the first time, dput is failing with a connection refused error, and I cannot ftp directly to ppa.launchpad.net from multiple connections (none of which are firewalled)
[05:20] <cleary> I'm assuming there is a service outage, but just wanted to confirm before I spend any more time on it
[05:22] <cleary> chrismsnz: try aptitude changelog <package>
[05:25] <chrismsnz> cheers cleary _b
[05:26] <chrismsnz> it's a good start
[05:42] <enav> hello im new to this....   i want to set up a vsftpd server with multiple virtual user usin PAM authentication... i got a good guide but it use a weak password authentication i mean just password uptu 8 character... i want something stronger...  give some web site or guide pleas
[06:13] <qman__> enav, there's not much point to using strong passwords with FTP because it's a clear text protocol
[06:13] <enav> yeah yeah  im reading something like you said....   :S
[06:14] <qman__> you CAN, but you're still shouting them out for the world to see
[06:18] <enav> you are right  ftp with password is just to preven noob hackers
[07:03] <rahman> Hi, I have setup a mail server with postfix + dovecot + squirrelmail. Here is my main.cf file: http://pastebin.com/2Uw64vTh
[07:03] <rahman> I ave a problem, I can send email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>But I can't send email from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to different domain like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:04] <rahman> I get a "Relay access denied" error from postfix
[07:08] <enav> virtual users and SFTP is possible???????
[07:14] <rahman> enav: can you explain more? I use virtual users, and have a table virtual_users in mysql
[07:15] <rahman> email accounts of my domain can receive email from diffrerent  domains with success, btw
[07:40] <enav> can you make a new system user that have access to SFTP but is not allowed to use SSH, and limit this SFTp to one folder????
[09:03] <qman__> enav, yes, look up sftponly and chrootdirectory in sshd configuration
[09:03] <qman__> this is a new feature as of ~9.10 IIRC
[09:21] <realV> hi to all
[09:24] <realV> I'm trying to setup an high availability system, really simple (account, ftp, file sharing, mail), with a pair of servers, one principal and one "backup", that switch on in case of failure.
[09:24] <realV> i've looked for UEC, but is really too big for my little infrastructure
[09:26] <realV> drbd for sync data is a good solution, but there are too much ways.
[09:35] <enav> my head is going to blow UP!!!!!!!!!!!!    this article say that Now alice can use SFTP to read from and write to her ~/public_html/ directory, but can't use OpenSSH to get a shell, nor even to read files outside of ~/public_html. ......... but is a lie   i can see and change all system folders.... what im doing wrong
[09:35] <enav> ups this is the article http://is.gd/c8uMy
[10:14] <juanjoA> Hello, how I can remove the configuration of raid on 2 hd. I delete all partitions but when I reinstall, partman recognises old distribution of raid ...
[10:14] <juanjoA> maybe MBR
[10:15] <realV> you can use dd on the device
[10:16] <realV> if you have /dev/sda, you can remove mbr with 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1'
[10:17] <realV> keep in mind that all the data will be lost
[10:18] <juanjoA> realv: ok, thx, I will probe this
[10:22] <juanjoA> Is there a ubuntu 10.04 server guide on PDF?
[10:27] <sommer> jussi: I don't think there is at the moment, but there may be in the near future... I think there was an issue in generating the Lucid pdf.
[10:28] <Jeeves_> An issue creating a pdf? :)
[10:28] <jussi> hrrr
[10:28] <sommer> well automatically creating a pdf
[11:46] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, by any chance do you have a copy of the testdrive gobby doc? Cause its gone from gobby :S :/
[11:47] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: crap ....
[11:48] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i didn't copy it to the blueprint :-(
[11:49] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, neither do I :S. Hopefully someone else saved it :/
[11:49] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: you should /join #testdrive
[12:00] <_chris_> is it usual for apache2 to have about 10procs running ?
[12:01] <guntbert> _chris_: yes, they are running in because starting a new process takes "a lot" of time
[12:01] <guntbert> *running because ...
[12:02] <RoyK> _chris_: see StartServers/MinSpareServers/MaxSpareServers
[12:02] <RoyK> in apache.conf
[12:02] <RoyK> apache2.conf
[12:03] <_chris_> ah okay
[12:03] <_chris_> 5/5/10
[12:06] <guntbert> _chris_: if you don't expect many requests on you server you can reduce those values
[12:08] <_chris_> guntbert: ok, thanks :)
[12:38] <musimar> hello I have a problem with my email server
[12:39] <musimar> I can send emails in local but not outside
[12:39] <musimar> http://paste.debian.net/73252/
[12:40] <musimar> this is the paste of the end of my /etc/postfix.cain.conf
[12:40] <musimar> main*
[12:40] <guntbert> musimar: why do you need a public smtp server?
[12:41] <musimar> because the server is at home
[12:42] <guntbert> musimar: no, my question was: why does it have to be public? why not just (for learning ) confined to your private network?
[12:42] <musimar> hummmm
[12:42] <musimar> don't know ;-)
[12:42] <musimar> it's better to send emails outside no?
[12:43] <musimar> :-D
[12:44] <guntbert> musimar: if you don't "*really* know what you are doing" don't run an smtp server with access to/from the internet - it can get you in troubles rather quickly (google for "open mail relay")
[12:56] <dwight> Hola, I'm wondering what is the easiest way to recover the default apache ports.conf file for ubuntu 10.4... am I likely to find it on the wiki, community docs, or is there an aptitude command I can use to revert?
[12:57] <jpds> dwight: Consider using etckeeper. :)
[12:58] <dwight> etckeeper looks like a nice solution!
[12:59] <dwight> but won't help me out of the current jam.
[13:10] <_chris_> heja. having a small issue. i have an ubuntu-server in our firms network. before it was set to dhcp and i could access the webpage per servers hostname. now we gave it a fix ip adress and since then its not possible anymore to reach the website per the servers hostname, always have to enter the ip adress instead. maybe anyone has an idea ?
[13:11] <_chris_> well its not only the webpage, he isnt reachable by its hostname in any way. may it be putty, a ping or whatever
[13:27] <egsome> Is there any Application that helps making my Ubuntu-Server a Router for my Office ?
[13:29] <cloakable> egsome: ipmasq
[13:31] <egsome> cloakable, Great, Thanks
[13:31] <cloakable> egsome: no problem
[13:32] <cloakable> egsome: if you want a more powerful solution, shorewall. but ipmasq will do the basics.
[13:33] <egsome> cloakable, Shorewall is to be installed on Ubuntu or as a distro ?
[13:33] <cloakable> egsome: shorewall is a program. it's in the ubuntu repo
[13:34] <egsome> cloakable, good
[13:35] <cloakable> egsome: but it isn't a fire-and-forget solution like ipmasq... it needs configuring.
[13:36] <egsome> cloakable, What do you recommend for me ? i only need the server to act as router, i need to restrict web access to some sites, and do more like that jobs
[13:37] <cloakable> egsome: hmmm. not sure. I don't know how to restrict access
[13:38] <egsome> cloakable, no problem, but generally what do you recommend ? and access restrict and suck jobs are done by iptables, no problems
[13:39] <cloakable> egsome: sounds more of a job for shorewall, it's more configurable than ipmasq
[13:40] <egsome> cloakable, OK Thanks, will look on it
[13:49] <RoyK> hi all. I have a package list from a 9.04 server - is there an easy way to install all _existing_ packages from that list on a 10.04 box?
[13:50] <bogeyd6> RoyK, im not sure they would all be compatible
[13:50] <bogeyd6> you could just make the list into one big line of text and apt-get install <paste files>
[13:51] <RoyK> bogeyd6: that's the probem - but an upgrade works, only I don't want to install 9.04 and then upgrade
[13:51] <bogeyd6> hmm
[13:51] <bogeyd6> RoyK, did you download all of the dpkg files?
[13:51] <bogeyd6> or .debs
[13:52] <RoyK> no, I'm trying to apt-get install `cat list.txt`, but it halt if it finds an unknown package
[13:52] <RoyK> it'd be nice for those to be simply ignored
[13:54] <_chris_> heja. having a small issue. i have an ubuntu-server in our firms network. before it was set to dhcp and i could access the webpage per servers hostname. now we gave it a fix ip adress and since then its not possible anymore to reach the website per the servers hostname, always have to enter the ip adress instead. maybe anyone has an idea ?
[13:56] <cloakable> _chris_: you might want to add the server to your dns.
[13:59] <RoyK> erm... " rsyslog: Conflicts: linux-kernel-log-daemon" - wtf is this? rsyslog is installed, but I have no linux-kernel-log-daemon in my list
[13:59] <RoyK> klogd...
[13:59] <RoyK> got it
[14:05] <RoyK> http://pastebin.com/hCHtteKt
[14:11] <axisys> failing to upgrade
[14:11] <axisys> http://pastie.org/private/9vlrulhrxx9a55pvahxpya
[14:11] <axisys> how do I change my repo ?
[14:12] <axisys> may be will have better luck w/ another repo
[14:12] <bogeyd6> axisys, edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:12] <bogeyd6> anl.gov is the fastest for most people
[14:12] <bogeyd6> sometimes down for maintenance
[14:12] <axisys> bogeyd6: it is not down.. i can talk to port 80
[14:12] <bogeyd6> also it looks like you fudged the sources.list file
[14:13] <bogeyd6> all of these are 404 messages
[14:13] <bogeyd6> axisys, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:13] <axisys> bogeyd6: ok
[14:14] <bogeyd6> file guinely doenst exist
[14:15] <bogeyd6> axisys, that file does exist in another mirror
[14:15] <axisys> bogeyd6: http://pastebin.com/znsKxZih
[14:16] <bogeyd6> axisys, looks ok to me
[14:17] <bogeyd6> prob just need to go ahead and switch to the ubuntu.cs.wisc.edu
[14:28] <slipper1024> UEC CC CLC SC Walrus on 1st server
[14:28] <slipper1024> NC on 2nd and 3rd server
[14:28] <slipper1024> as per guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/CDInstall
[14:30] <slipper1024> cant --discover-nodes
[14:30] <slipper1024>  or --synckey
[14:31] <slipper1024> any ideas guys, Lucid 32bit
[14:38] <axisys> bogeyd6: so like this?
[14:38] <axisys> bogeyd6: sed 's/mirror.anl.gov/ubuntu.cs.wisc.edu/' /etc/apt/sources.list > /tmp/list; cp /tmp/list /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[14:38] <axisys> i backed it already
[14:39] <axisys> bogeyd6: or there is an elegant ubuntu tool there, like for desktop ?
[14:40] <axisys> bogeyd6: did just that.. lets see if do-release-upgrade works now
[14:41] <axisys> bogeyd6: you were right. noticibly slower
[14:43] <bogeyd6> kk
[14:43] <bogeyd6> axisys, anl.gov is the fastest for anyone in the midwest
[14:44] <jpds> mirror.anl.gov is awesome.
[14:44] <jpds> axisys: sed -i...; would save you the cp.
[14:45] <bogeyd6> axisys, they run an oc192 out of the argonne laboratory
[14:49] <bogeyd6> jpds, sorry, i meant they now run a dual oc192 out or argonne
[14:49] <jpds> bogeyd6: I know.
[14:50] <jpds> bogeyd6: I've spoken to the admins in the past before. :)
[14:52] <bogeyd6> i dont speak to them
[14:52] <bogeyd6> :)
[14:52] <bogeyd6> probably never would or have cause to
[14:52] <bogeyd6> but they are a public entity and as such everything they do is online
[15:16] <dinda> ivoks: ping
[15:18] <ivoks> dinda: pong :)
[15:47] <wizardslovak> hello people
[15:47] <wizardslovak> why is apache showing "index of.." instead of actual website?
[15:49] <cloakable> wizardslovak: Have you put a website into /var/www?
[15:50] <aoeuhtns> wizardslovak, probably because the "Indexes" option is on and there is no index document (index.html)
[15:50] <wizardslovak> i actually made folder with website name and put everything in it
[15:50] <wizardslovak> then in sites-available/website  i changed document root to website flder
[15:51] <cloakable> wizardslovak: did you then do 'sudo a2ensite website'?
[15:51] <wizardslovak> oh no
[15:52] <wizardslovak> do i have to wrtie "a2ensite /etc/apache2/sites-available/website?
[15:52] <cloakable> No
[15:52] <wizardslovak> cause i am geting error "no site found matching
[15:53] <cloakable> wizardslovak: are you doing as root or regular user?
[15:53] <wizardslovak> root
[15:54] <wizardslovak> probably i did something wrong in sites-available/website conf
[15:55] <cloakable> Unlikely
[15:55] <wizardslovak> hmm
[15:56] <cloakable> what is the name of the file in sites-available?
[15:56] <wizardslovak> so whats the corrent command for a2ensite
[15:56] <wizardslovak> wizzy
[15:56] <cloakable> sudo a2ensite wizzy
[16:00] <wizardslovak> ok got it
[16:00] <wizardslovak> i forgot to put correct folder in "directory" ;) thank you people
[16:00] <wizardslovak> yea one more think
[16:01] <wizardslovak> can i connect usb printer and use it with CUPS in ubuntu?
[16:02] <ivoks> in ubuntu server?
[16:02] <ivoks> yes
[16:03] <Wack479> good morning!
[16:05] <wizardslovak> huh somehow when i connect usb printer i dont see it
[16:06] <Wack479> I am having issues with my 9.04 server running kernel 2.6.28-18-server. About 2-3 times a week my networking service has to be restarted. It happened again this morning and i got this in the kern.log http://pastebin.com/iHfL1DVL
[16:08] <axisys> bogeyd6: ubuntu.cs.wisc.edu is working .. no 404
[16:08] <axisys> bogeyd6: thanks for your help
[16:08] <iKb> is there a simple way to install php 5.2 on ubuntu server 10.04?
[16:09] <Wack479> ikb: apt-get?
[16:10] <iKb> apt-get install php 5.3
[16:10] <iKb> i need php 5.2
[16:10] <Wack479> oh ok sry
[16:11] <iKb> is apt-get pinning the only solution?
[16:12] <axisys> =pkg_version_number have you tried that?
[16:12] <axisys> iKb: ^
[16:12] <axisys> iKb: man apt-get will show you the syntax
[16:13] <iKb> axisys: there is no 5.2 version for 10.04
[16:14] <iKb> this is why i need pinning
[16:14] <wizardslovak> su
[16:17] <wizardslovak> thats weird
[16:18] <wizardslovak> http://pastebin.com/v08atfZ4
[16:20] <axisys> iKb: check man apt_preferences
[16:22] <iKb> axisys: this is for pinning no?
[16:22] <axisys> iKb: yes
[16:42] <stas_> hi, can somebody help me, I got an entry like this in aliases>test :include:/etc/postfix/lists/test and postfix appends @$mydomain to that entry each time a new mail is received. what Iam doing wrong?
[16:56] <Wack479> I am having issues with my 9.04 server running kernel 2.6.28-18-server. About 2-3 times a week my networking service has to be restarted. It happened again this morning and i got this in the kern.log http://pastebin.com/iHfL1DVL
[16:56] <wizardslovak> is there software in which i can connect with web browser to check status/traffic on server?
[17:08] <tannerb> Ok, I'm going slightly mad. I'm installing 10.4 on a new server using 4 750 GB drives. 2 of those I pulled out of an old server that was using some nvidia fakeraid. I fdisked the previously used discs to the partition table I want, but the ubuntu installer keeps wanting to activate the old raid configuration on those discs. Is there a place I'm not thinking of where that stuff would be hidden that fdisk wouldn't touch?
[17:12] <tannerb> My apologies if that's a silly question, but I can't think of where that configuration would be hidden after a whole new partition table had been written to the disk...MBR or some such? Have I gone entirely insane?
[17:17] <Bart_> I'm now running 2.6.32-22-generic-pae. How do I switch to the server kernel?
[17:19] <failover> Question about hardware requisites for a mail server, Lucid + Postix + MailScanner + SpamAssasim + Dovecot, 7k incoming mail , 4k outgoing mails, 800 users. Which should be the minimum hardware to run this setup ?
[17:20] <failover> a virtual machine with 1 GB of ram do the trick ?
[17:38] <ninjai> how do i set up phpmysqladmin? I downloaded it through apt-get but find no php page anywhere
[17:51] <AmokPaule> ninjai try to locate phpmyadmin then do a link to that folder
[18:28] <bkingx> Greetings! Quick question: a script that runs at startup is run under what user?
[18:31] <RoyK> root
[18:36] <bkingx> thanks RoyK
[18:37] <bkingx> Next question, trying to script some gpg decryption in that script and I am thinking it can't access the .gnupg folders/files.
[18:38] <bkingx> So how can a script at startup, running as root, can't access those files?
[18:38] <mr_daniel> I use ubuntu since 5.10; before I tried debian several times, which was a lot fun. I want to setup my first root server, both for fun but also to start building cool web apps with tools I like to use and without any limitations from web hosters; I am at a point where a simple LAMP configuration is not enough.
[18:39] <mr_daniel> but the problem is: I never owned a root server, and I don't know where to start?
[18:40] <mr_daniel> I hope you guys can give me some tips where I can start, maybe
[18:40] <mr_daniel> a good book
[18:40] <Hypnoz> mr_daniel: apt-get update && apt-get install apache2 && apt-get install mysql-server && apt-get install php5 && apt-get install phpmyadmin
[18:41] <mr_daniel> Hypnoz: :)
[18:41] <mr_daniel> wait, why not use aptitude?
[18:41] <Hypnoz> because aptitude takes longer to type than apt-get of course
[18:43] <Hypnoz> mr_daniel: after you've installed the LAMP stack, and have a more specific question, that might be good
[18:43] <Hypnoz> mr_daniel: just asking how to create a server that hosts a webpage is too broad, and something that should probably be googled for since it takes quite a few steps
[18:44] <mr_daniel> I guess you are right Hypnoz
[18:45] <Hypnoz> is "googled" a recognized verb of the english language yet?
[18:46] <Hypnoz> mr_daniel: really creating the web hosting server isn't the hard part. programming the site in php/javascript/etc is what takes skill
[18:47] <Hypnoz> mr_daniel: there are some frameworks that might be worth learning like cakephp or django
[18:47] <Hypnoz> mr_daniel: or maybe installing something like wordpress
[18:47] <Hypnoz> mr_daniel: something like wordpress would cut waaay down on the web programming aspect required
[18:48] <mr_daniel> I want to go further
[18:48] <mr_daniel> for example I want to build a web app with CoucDB, or with J2EE, and want to be prepared for high traffic, etc.
[18:51] <Hypnoz> mr_daniel: why couchdb instead of mysql?
[18:51] <mr_daniel> because I want to learn new things
[18:52] <mr_daniel> and CoudhDB is cool :) and sounds very interesting
[18:52] <Hypnoz> try django I got a friend that loves it, and its a very popular thing to put on a resume
[18:52] <Hypnoz> and you'd get to learn python too
[18:54] <mr_daniel> never used django, but I used python for a few things and I like the language
[19:02] <vkramar> I have some troubles enabling PHP in userdir on 10.04. Already tried both /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf and /etc/apache2/conf.d/php-in-homedirs.conf ways as described on wiki, but no success. Can anybody point me right way?
[19:03] <RoyK> http://pastebin.com/hCHtteKt <-- fine, new box
[19:08] <storrgie> anyone using tomato firmware?
[19:08] <RoyK> what is that ?
[19:08] <storrgie> router firmware for wrt routers
[19:14] <vraa> storrgie, i use tomato firmware, i switched from dd-wrt becaue dd-wrt was too complicated
[19:15] <RoyK> how many cpus does linux support these days?
[19:15] <RoyK> 256 or so?
[19:15] <storrgie> vraa: it seems that all of my traffic, when QoS is on I only get 10% thoroughput
[19:15] <vraa> maybe your qos settings are not correct? did you set your inbound and outbound speeds correctly? btw i dont think this is related to ubuntu-server :)
[19:16] <storrgie> vraa: I know its not related to ubuntu-server but tomato has ZERO irc community
[19:16] <vraa> RoyK can't you use BFS for more than 1000 core support?
[19:16] <storrgie> I cant find anyone to help me
[19:16] <vraa> :) try to double check your inbound/outbound maxes, also check how you are classifying your traffic
[19:16] <RoyK> vraa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_Fuck_Scheduler?
[19:17] <vraa> yah
[19:17] <vraa> i believe it's designed more NUMA or something
[19:17] <RoyK> what a nice name :)
[19:17] <therian> is it any good?
[19:22] <vraa> if it ain't broke, dont fix it
[19:22] <vraa> in regards to "is it any good"
[19:22] <vraa> if you have 500 cores and things aren't working well, i'm sure BFS would be a viable thing to try out
[19:22] <vraa> but me, on my single core pIII laptop? i'll stick with whatever is default
[19:23] <RoyK> just installed this 16-core thing - it'll be interesting to see how the load is distributed when they start the models
[19:24] <vraa> dual 8core opteron right RoyK ?
[19:24] <RoyK> yes
[19:24] <RoyK> 64 gigs of ram
[19:24] <RoyK> chewing volcanic ash transport models
[19:25] <RoyK> or simply particle transport models
[19:44] <enav> good morning
[19:45] <RoyK> good evening
[19:45] <aoeuhtns> good afternoon
[19:45] <therian> good afternoon
[19:45] <therian> fuck
[19:45] <aoeuhtns> :-)
[19:45] <therian> ;p
[19:46] <RoyK> good localtime();
[19:46] <therian> lol
[19:48] <_3ies> Good morning, and in case I don't see ya, good afternoon, good evening, and good night!
[19:49] <therian> oh night
[19:49] <therian> i forgot that one
[19:49] <_3ies> :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
[19:49] <_3ies> it is from the truman show
[19:57] <RoyK> http://karlsbakk.net/top-16.png
[20:01] <guntbert> !language | therian
[20:01] <ziesemer_> I've been looking into denyhosts or fail2ban to help prevent some server attacks.  Both appear to only work by parsing log outputs from /var/log/syslog, etc.  Isn't there a more efficient method?  I.E., is there a syslog "consumer" that can be used?
[20:01] <aoeuhtns> RoyK, 48GB of swap?!
[20:01] <RoyK> no, 16
[20:01] <therian> my bad
[20:01] <RoyK> but ubuntu 10.04 comes with this compcache thing, swapping to compressed memory
[20:02] <aoeuhtns> interesting
[20:03] <RoyK> planning to use some SSDs for the swap
[20:03] <RoyK> some of the models can use way more memory than the 4GB per core that's in there now
[20:09] <lolufail> hi
[20:09] <lolufail> !
[20:10] <lolufail> what does the "virtualsiation" checkbox during installation do? just that networkbridge?
[20:37] <axisys> how do I install sun storage CAM (common array manager) in ubuntu ? i need to manage my sun storagetek 6140
[21:20] <bluethundr_> I am trying to use standard networking tools like nslookup and dig on an 8.0.4 Hardy box... but they are curiously absent. what package installs these?
[21:21] <RoyK> bind-utils
[21:21] <tannerb> I'm not sure about hardy, but probably dnsutils.
[21:21] <RoyK> or bind9-utils
[21:21] <tannerb> Or exactly what RoyK said.
[21:22] <RoyK> nslookup is old - use 'host' or 'dig'
[21:29] <bluethundr_> RoyK, thx!
[21:31]  * RoyK just got an email from the CEO congratulating a server setup - not bad
[21:45] <bluethundr_> I have updated my serial number in my dns db and restarted bind and made sure my mx was correct, but when I use dig -mx it doesn't see the mx record
[21:45] <bluethundr_> http://pastebin.com/KH3adera
[21:46] <RoyK> perhaps $ORIGIN hasn't been set before the MX line
[21:47] <RoyK> set $ORIGIN to your domain name in the start
[21:47] <enav> i need help.... i want to limit a SSH user to specific folder "/home/www".... i have 2 days trying to do this reading manuals and articles but nothing works
[21:47] <RoyK> $ORIGIN mydom.tld
[21:47] <guntbert> bluethundr_: all on the same machine?
[21:48] <RoyK> enav: you need to chroot the user - not trivial
[21:48] <RoyK> enav: use a vm instead
[21:49] <enav> i tried that several times in several ways and still not working propertly
[21:49] <bluethundr_> guntbert, yes, and this config file is an exact copy of another dns db file that works, only with the values for this machine subtituted
[21:49] <RoyK> enav: see message above
[21:50] <guntbert> bluethundr_: I asked because dns propagation can take surprising long time :-)
[21:50] <enav> RoyK use a vm instead???
[21:50] <RoyK> enav: chrooting ssh is not trivial
[21:50] <enav> RoyK what that means
[21:50] <RoyK> either use other access methods or use a virtual machine
[21:51] <bluethundr_> this one works and I can't see any substantive difference between this one and the one that doesn't
[21:51] <bluethundr_> http://pastebin.com/dVDVRyWn
[21:51] <bluethundr_> guntbert, ah ok.. yes but this is all local the machine having the issue
[21:52] <RoyK> bluethundr_: add $ORIGIN mydomain.com. around $TTL
[21:52] <guntbert> bluethundr_: ok - sorry to hear - no solution from me either
[21:52] <bluethundr_> RoyK: on it, I'll let ya know
[21:54] <enav> RoyK i though chroot limit a specific user to a specific folder... but this not works
[21:54] <RoyK> as I said, chrooting ssh sessions is not trivial
[21:54] <RoyK> use a vm for that
[21:55] <enav> RoyK  what do you mean with trivial???
[21:55]  * RoyK points enav to dictionary.com
[21:58] <enav> RoyK do you mean chroot is not easy to configure?
[21:59] <RoyK> not for ssh clients
[21:59] <RoyK> what are your needs?
[21:59] <RoyK> isolating all clients inside a jail?
[21:59] <enav> RoyK do you know a good text or website to chroot ssh users???
[21:59] <RoyK> if so, why?
[22:01] <enav> well i have an Admin account and a Webmaster account... i just whatn to jail webmaster accoutn to "/home/www" folder that is all
[22:01] <enav> i have 2 days trying to do this
[22:01] <RoyK> use ftp
[22:01] <qman__> no, use sftp-only
[22:02] <RoyK> ftp over ssl is secure
[22:02] <RoyK> and trivial to configure
[22:02] <RoyK> ftp over ssh means the user will be given access to whatever's open
[22:03] <RoyK> enav: I'd guess securing your system, home directories and so on, will be easier
[22:03] <RoyK> just give www or whatever access to the files needed
[22:03] <qman__> not if you configure ssh correctly
[22:04] <qman__> recent versions can limit it to sftp and chroot right in the sshd config
[22:04] <enav> im give up with SFTP
[22:04] <qman__> no special jailing setups required
[22:04] <RoyK> how do you chroot ssd/sftp?
[22:04] <enav> let me try that you say now
[22:04] <RoyK> qman__: url?
[22:04] <qman__> I'm looking for the doc
[22:05] <qman__> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590
[22:07] <RoyK> qman__: thanks
[22:07] <qman__> it's way easier than the old style jailing
[22:07] <RoyK> seems so, yes
[22:07] <RoyK> thought it was harder
[22:09] <qman__> the version of openssh in hardy is older and doesn't support that
[22:09] <qman__> but the current versions do
[22:10] <qman__> I've set up a few old style jails with jailkit, no simple task
[22:10] <enav> qman__ is a hell
[22:12] <enav> qman__ your article look great but can i use this to jail an user not a group to a specific folder not a home folder????
[22:13] <qman__> enav, yes
[22:14] <enav> qman__:   Match group sftponly  --->   Match user webmaster    really?
[22:14] <qman__> not sure if that's the syntax, but you can match per user
[22:14] <qman__> let me find more information
[22:15] <enav> wait a sec
[22:15] <enav> your article work for you? i mean did you try it before?
[22:15] <qman__> http://prefetch.net/blog/index.php/2006/09/05/limiting-access-to-openssh-directives/
[22:16] <qman__> Match User username
[22:17] <qman__> the way Match blocks work, is they include all of the directives below it until there is another Match block or the end of the file
[22:17] <qman__> so place them at the bottom
[22:17] <enav> ok  let me try again
[22:17] <enav> because i did this a lot of times
[22:18] <qman__> the one caveat I'm noticing is that the chroot directory must be owned by root
[22:18] <qman__> other than that, it's straightforward
[22:18] <enav> ok
[22:20] <tannerb> Wow, I hadn't looked at doing chrooted stuff securely for years and that's about a bah-jillion times easier.
[22:20] <qman__> you're telling me
[22:20] <qman__> the old way was a total pain
[22:21] <tannerb> Yeah, and by the time one would get close to getting it working properly, you'd have to find another goat to sacrifice.
[22:21] <enav> im feeling the pain now
[22:25] <enav> qman__  chek this http://pastebin.com/YmgedfRg
[22:25] <qman__> that's correct
[22:26] <qman__> but where's the rest of the configuration file?
[22:26] <enav> i just copy paste an little section
[22:26] <qman__> ok
[22:28] <qman__> I noticed that the default configuration has this in it
[22:28] <qman__> Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server
[22:28] <qman__> you will want to change that over/remove it
[22:28] <enav> yes you ned to change it
[22:28] <qman__> two Subsystem sftp lines will break it for sure
[22:28] <enav> i delet the original 1 and add the new 1
[22:29] <qman__> ok
[22:30] <qman__> then, chown root:root /home/www, and service ssh restart
[22:48] <ziesemer_> What is the impact of the "owner" provided to tunctl ?
[23:12] <Jeeves_Moss> afternoon all!
[23:26] <gregcoit> is it possible that S99mysql isn't waiting for S98rc.local to finish in lucid?
[23:27] <gregcoit> and is this somehow related to upstart?


[10:17] <roaksoax> mpontillo: you dont sleep ? :)
[10:18] <mpontillo> good morning ;-) not today.. I keep thinking I should...!
[10:18] <mpontillo> (did you just wake up or do you stay up that late?)
[10:18] <roaksoax> mpontillo: haha its 2 for you isnt it? you should go get some rest :)
[10:19] <roaksoax> mpontillo: i just woke up
[10:24] <mpontillo> roaksoax: 5am is early for me, but I'm trying to think of how to shift my hours for optimal communication. I seem to do better staying up late than waking up early
[10:25] <roaksoax> mpontillo: yeah. we can talk about that later, although the only thing i could.offer is a pontential.early start
[10:25] <roaksoax> mpontillo: but we can talk later
[10:25] <roaksoax> mpontillo: go get some rest :)
[10:25] <mpontillo> will do - night all =)
[10:48] <dimitern> mpontillo, hey, welcome to the team! :)
[12:27] <gadago> hi
[12:27] <gadago> wonder if anyone can help...
[12:28] <gadago> I'm just trying to get started with maas, and have been following the guide here https://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/index.html
[12:29] <gadago> I've got to the point where my node PCE boots and appears to go through the commissioning stage
[12:29] <gadago> it now has a status of ready in the nodes list, but upon booting it, it just seems to go through the enlisting process again, then shuts down
[12:29] <gadago> now I'm stuck in that cycle and not sure what to do
[12:30] <gadago> could anyone help?
[12:37] <dimitern> gadago, what are you trying to do?
[12:38] <dimitern> gadago, once the node is in ready state, you can use it with juju or something else, but you need to acquire it via the MAAS API (juju will that for you); if you simply try to boot it, it won't work, as maas does not know you want to allocate this node and thinks it needs to re-enlist it
[12:39] <gadago> dimitern, I think the issue is cause I didn't allocate a SSH key to it yet
[12:40] <gadago> it seems to be doing something now
[12:40] <dimitern> gadago, you also need to allocate the node to yourself in maas, so it becomes "Allocated to myuser", rather than ready
[12:40] <gadago> I'm trying to understand the concept of maas...
[12:40] <dimitern> then you can safely boot it and maas won't interfere
[12:41] <gadago> will the server always pxe boot, or will it install one of the images to the local disk?
[12:42] <gadago> it seems to be going through the ubuntu installation process at the moment.
[12:43] <gadago> the ultimate objective here is to build an openstack environment, so I'm just trying to make sure I go in the right direction
[12:45] <dimitern> gadago, so the initial phase of discovery, when maas probes what nodes are on the network, via pxe booting, commissioning, etc. ends up with a node being "ready" to allocate for workloads
[12:46] <dimitern> gadago, then, when it's ready and allocated, you can start it via maas, which will trigger the machine to boot the image you requested (via the MAAS) api, and install that cleanly on the first boot
[12:47] <dimitern> gadago, then, maas releases the control to that machine to you to do whatever you see fit; rebooting the node after that process has completed will cause the node to boot from the local disk rather than the network
[12:48] <dimitern> gadago, and finally, when you're done with the node, you deallocate it via maas so it becomes ready again
[12:50] <gadago> dimitern, thank you for the explanation
[12:51] <gadago> dimitern, could you point me in the direction of where to go to do the openstack part? I'm after a quick-start guide just so I can grasp the basic concepts, bit of a howto if you like
[12:53] <dimitern> gadago, how many physical machines are you planing to deploy openstack with maas on?
[12:54] <gadago> I have 4 compute nodes, with another virtual environment to be able to set up controller/network nodes etc
[12:56] <dimitern> gadago, you could do it on 2 machines (even 1, but that's too extreme) - one for compute (with enough ram to be able to run nodes in kvm containers), one for everything else
[12:57] <dimitern> gadago, unfortunately I don't have ready links for how to do that in steps, but if you search for deploying openstack with maas on two machines, there are a bunch of guides
[12:57] <dimitern> gadago, also, consider looking into autopilot
[12:57] <dimitern> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2014/10/28/introducing-the-canonical-distribution-of-ubuntu-openstack-your-autopilot-for-rapid-customised-openstack-private-cloud-deployment-and-management/
[12:58] <dimitern> you'll need a few more machines I think, but it lets you deploy openstack really easy on maas
[12:58] <gadago> dimitern, thank you for your help
[12:59] <dimitern> gadago, no worries, I hope you get it working
[13:05] <gadago> dimitern, is it best to install openstack (landscape) onto a different server to the maas server?
[13:07] <dimitern> gadago, I can't say for sure, but please join #ubuntu-autopilot and I'm sure somebody there can help you further
[13:08] <gadago> Looks like it can be a separate machine :)
[14:47] <kiko> morning!


[00:01] <testasdfasd> Gah, smuxi is being a PITA right now
[00:02] <JoshStrobl> Hey! smuxi actually loaded this time.
[00:03] <JoshStrobl> I changed the bug I shared earlier to point to ~ubuntu-html5-theme, thinkin' it's more relevant there.
[00:20] <justCarakas> hey Juje007
[00:21] <justCarakas> juje007 how are you ?
[00:21] <Juje007> Fine and you?
[07:10] <daniyar> what's up?
[07:11] <daniyar> cls
[07:11] <daniyar> clear
[07:12] <daniyar> help
[08:40] <DanChapman> folks, do i need to add additional rules to my app armor config to access/register a dbusservice  on touch?
[10:12] <ybon> We are embedding Qt5.2 starting at which image?
[10:18] <ogra_> did you read the ML ? :)
[10:22] <ybon> I do, but it's not clear to me at which id Qt5.2 is embedded
[10:26] <ogra_> 5.2 is in since yesterday but there wont be any image for the public before mon. or tue.
[10:27] <ybon> ok thanks
[10:27] <ybon> but so if I install devel-proposed, I will get 5.2?
[10:27] <ybon> I need to test OSMTouch upon it
[10:28] <ybon> I will first do it laptop side, but before pushing a new click package I will need to test it in the device
[10:28] <ogra_> yes, but dont blame us if your device doesnt boot anymore or some such :P
[10:28] <ybon> huhu :)
[10:29] <ogra_> :)
[10:29] <ybon> Strange: here is what we get when running OSMTouch on 5.2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7079321/ but the doc still mention the PositionSource http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.04/QtLocation.PositionSource/
[10:38] <ybon> not sure if I still need to import QtLocation 5.0 or other version or other Lib name
[10:39] <ybon> http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qml-qtpositioning-positionsource.html says QtPositioning 5.2 but it doesn't work (lib not found)
[10:39] <ybon> file:///home/ybon/Code/qml/OSMTouch/OSMTouch.qml:3 module "QtPositioning" is not installed
[10:39] <ybon> even if: libqt5positioning5 is already the newest version.
[10:39] <ybon> (when I apt-get install it)
[10:50] <ybon> méééé http://paste.ubuntu.com/7094788/
[10:50] <ybon> not sure where to report this
[10:55] <ybon> also, I I try to "import QtLocation 5.2", I get 'module "QtLocation" version 5.2 is not installed', while I have libqt5location5:amd64 5.2.1-0ubuntu1 installed
[11:24] <popey> ybon: hi
[11:24] <popey> ybon: I'm using image 238 which has qt 5.2
[11:25] <ybon> popey: thanks :)
[11:25] <popey> ii  libqt5location5:armhf                                 5.2.1-0ubuntu1                                      armhf        Qt Location module
[11:25] <popey> ii  libqt5location5-plugins:armhf                         5.2.1-0ubuntu1                                      armhf        Qt Location module - geolocation plugins
[11:25] <popey> ii  qtdeclarative5-qtlocation-plugin:armhf                5.2.1-0ubuntu1                                      armhf        Qt Location module - QML plugin
[11:25] <popey> those are on the device
[11:25] <popey> as expected
[11:25] <ybon> I was writting you an email with the summary of the problem I'm facing ;)
[11:26] <popey> ii  libqt5positioning5:armhf                              5.2.1-0ubuntu1                                      armhf        Qt Positioning module
[11:26] <popey> and that
[11:26] <ybon> I have all on my laptop
[11:26] <popey> what if you import QtLocation 5" ?
[11:26] <ybon> 5.2 you mean?
[11:27] <ybon> 'module "QtLocation" version 5.2 is not installed'
[11:27] <popey> no, 5
[11:27] <ybon> ah sorry :)
[11:28] <ybon> 'expected two numbers separated with a dot'
[11:28] <ybon> (by* a dot)
[11:29] <popey> ah
[11:29] <popey> 5.0?
[11:29] <popey> I mean, maybe something hasn't been bumped to 5.2 internally?
[11:29] <ybon> this works, and this what I'm using, and I was using till then
[11:30] <ybon> this is possibile, yep
[11:30] <ybon> but I don't know how to check that
[11:30] <ybon> the version I see in dpkg -l are the expected ones
[12:49] <gcollura> nik90, the last touch update fixed that problem with the wrong toolbar :/


[07:37] <lordievader> Good morning
 I have Nextcloud set up. I have caldav and cardav setup for Korganizer & KAddressbook. If I use the settings Nextcloud account setup, will this double and mess things up?
 I have Nextcloud set up. I have caldav and cardav setup for Korganizer & KAddressbook. If I use the settings Nextcloud account setup, will this double entries and mess things up?
 Well, I actually clicked next and complete the settings setup. It does not have appeared to have done anything! I was hoping when I right clicked a file I could then share it to Nextcloud. It does not work.
 How do you get 'send' to activate? : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/12e47463/file_50173.jpg
[13:39] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[19:25] <owner> Test
[19:25] <genii> owner: Yes, we see what you type
 Awesome Rik!  Looking forward to it! (re @IrcsomeBot: <RikMills> hopefully before the new year)
[19:26] <owner> I am trying to get my laptop working with my wifi card.  Originally the wifi button was grayed out and couldn't be enabled, however, pressing FN plus the "Enable wifi" key will allow me to click the wireless checkbox in the network menu.  When I click the tickbox to enable wifi though, it turns gray again.  Does anyone know what would cause this behavior?
[19:28] <genii> owner: The wifi adapter may still be soft-blocked even though the hardware was enabled by key combination
[19:28] <genii> you can check with the rfkill command it's status
[19:32] <owner> genii: https://pastebin.com/Jux1kKm8 Here is the result of rfkill, the first one is before  pressing the wifi killswitch, the second one is from after pressing the wifi killswitch
[19:32] <owner> I don't fully understand why everything else comes blocked when I press the switch
[19:39] <genii> owner: It may require the module ideapad-laptop to be running so that the state of the special keypress can be correctly understood
[19:42] <genii> owner: Does the output of: lsmod    ...show this module loaded?
[19:47] <owner> Excuse my newbieness but how can I tell if it's loaded?  I see it in the list
[19:48] <genii> If it shows in the list, then yes, it is already loaded and running.
[19:48] <owner> Okay then yes it is loaded
[19:52] <genii> The output of the command: sudo lspci -nn            ...may be useful to discover what the device itself is, if you can pastebin it for examination
[19:53] <genii> It may be a known-problemmatic brand like Broadcom
[19:53] <owner> It is Broadcom
[19:58] <genii> Can you please post a link to the pastebin results so we can see the details?
[19:58] <genii> ..or copy/paste the single line regarding the Broadcom in here
[19:59] <owner> 05:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Inc. and subsidiaries BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter [14e4:4727] (rev 01)
[20:01] <genii> Yes, one of the known ones
[20:01] <genii> !bcm43xx
[20:02] <genii> You should follow the instructions which the bot has posted the link to
[20:06] <genii> The instructions there are old but should still be applicable, except for the ones regarding the use of ndiswrapper