[00:24] <directhex> slangasek, i got the error!
[00:24] <directhex> it's "illegal instruction" ^_^
[00:24] <slangasek> oh?
[00:24] <slangasek> reproduced in what context?
[00:25] <directhex> slangasek, building 2.6.3-2 on the debian armel porterbox
[00:25] <directhex> http://retro.apebox.org/log.txt
[00:25] <slangasek> ok
[00:26] <slangasek> that may be a Debian-specific failure, then, since the target instruction set on Ubuntu armel is different
[00:26] <directhex> (the error is misleading - it says the monolite (bootstrap compiler) install it out of date, as a result of the illegal instruction)
[00:27]  * ogra would suggest doing a testbuild in an armel PPA of that same package
[00:27] <directhex> slangasek, it's debian-specific in that it happens on debian - but it doesn't happen with the upstream 2.6.3 tarball, only once the diff is applied. so it's a regression introduced by the ubuntu patches. plus i can't verify whether it works on ubuntu, since i have no access to ubuntu porter resources
[00:27]  * slangasek nods
[00:28] <directhex> ogra, i don't have access to an armel ppa, but feel free to copy in the source package from https://launchpad.net/~directhex/+archive/monoxide?field.series_filter=maverick
[00:29] <ogra> directhex, i'm sadl very busy with other stuff, but i guess someone from the linaro team shoudl be able to help you with a ppa upload, alternatively you need to wait until after A2
[00:29] <slangasek> directhex: a test build here gets past that point, failing only later building docs when it runs my box out of memory
[00:30] <RAOF> pitti: Sure, I'll drop the changelog.  The recent upload should have helped - that changelog used to be in *all* the xserver packages.
[00:30] <slangasek> directhex: what's the CPU of the Debian armel porterbox?
[00:31] <directhex> slangasek, oh? that's valuable info. sounds like it's the arch detection stuff that's borked then
[00:31] <slangasek> yeah
[00:31] <directhex> slangasek, looks like arm5
[00:31] <directhex> directhex@agricola:~$ uname -m
[00:31] <directhex> armv5tel
[00:31]  * slangasek nods
[00:31] <ogra> thats arm'v'5 :)
[00:32] <ogra> dont forget the v ;)
[00:32] <directhex> what's the v?
[00:32] <ogra> version ... arm5 points to a core while v5 points to a spec
[00:32] <directhex> /proc/cpuinfo says thumb, i don't know if thumb2 is something else
[00:32] <ogra> arm5 is significantly older than anything you can use today :)
[00:33] <ogra> thumb2 is the newer implementation
[00:33] <directhex> is it reported differently on hardware where it's available?
[00:33] <slangasek> thumb2 is different than thumb, but I don't know that it shows differently in /proc/cpuinfo
[00:33] <slangasek> apparently not
[00:33] <ogra> it does
[00:33] <slangasek> ogra: how is it different?
[00:34] <RAOF> ls
[00:34] <RAOF> *sad face*
[00:34] <directhex> i've looked at this code lately more than i'd like, i know mono parses /proc/cpuinfo to detect cpu abilities, including thumb... but i don't think the ubuntu patch accounts for thumb versus thumb2
[00:34] <ogra> ogra@babbage2:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep Features
[00:34] <ogra> Features	: swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp thumbee vfpv3
[00:35] <ogra> hmm, no, i lied
[00:35] <ogra> i thought it was exposed
[00:35] <slangasek> what's 'thumbee'?
[00:35] <ogra> embedded thumb iirc
[00:35] <ogra> not relevant here
[00:36] <directhex> it'll take me another age to test the theory, but i guess http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-mono/packages/mono.git;a=commitdiff;h=c8243c343373c8bfbf10f037eb6ac8a5e1649db3 is the problem commit
[00:36] <ogra> the thumb2 instructions are definately available in all v7 cpus so a check against armv7 should suffice to enable thumb2
[00:37]  * slangasek nods
[00:38]  * ogra assumes you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Thumb2
[00:38] <slangasek> directhex: does /proc/cpuinfo show 'swp' there?
[00:38] <directhex> slangasek, yes
[00:38] <directhex> Features        : swp half thumb fastmult edsp
[00:38] <slangasek> oh, that's in the existing code anyway
[00:38] <ogra> and also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Thumb2PortingHowto
[00:40] <directhex> i'm in the wrong timezone to work on this stuff, i think -_-
[00:40] <slangasek> directhex: I'd be surprised if that commit causded it, the GCC builtins shouldn't be outputting non-armv5 code on Debian
[00:40] <slangasek> -d
[00:40] <directhex> slangasek, i'll have to try with that branch reverted, then. there are only three ubuntu arm patches, that one looked most suspicious
[00:42] <ogra> i think that one was supposed to fix the thumb porting issues
[00:42] <ogra> and i assume it comes from asac
[00:42] <directhex> yes
[00:43] <slangasek> oh, that commit also includes the changes to tramp-arm.c
[00:43] <directhex> i really doubt http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-mono/packages/mono.git;a=commitdiff;h=b0c83ce0cf237768475d0c683f192ce2b3941af0 is the bad one
[00:43] <slangasek> that's a more likely culprit than the GCC builtins
[00:44] <slangasek> directhex: don't suppose you have a disassembly of the illegal insn?
[00:45] <directhex> slangasek, let me try something...
[00:48] <ogra> your first commit is definatley to fix the use of the swp asm instructions in the code
[00:48] <ogra> your second commit just enables vfp
[00:49] <ogra> i'm pretty usre neither will break the code with the right compiler settings
[00:49] <ogra> *sure
[00:51] <ogra> directhex, i would try to buiuld with -marm that should disable thumb and should use the old code path
[00:51] <ogra> and find out what fpu settings debian arm code should use and set that explicitly
[00:52] <ogra> that way you should exclude both patches
[00:53] <slangasek> the Debian package passes --with-fpu=NONE
[00:53] <ogra> so that already disables the second commit that was pasted here
[00:54] <ogra> -marm should switch off all thumb usage
[00:54] <directhex> would you believe i just lost access to the debian arm porterbox, at the very moment where i worked out how to get mono to give me the asm instructions it wants to use?
[00:54] <ogra> and use the former code path that was patched in the first commit
[00:54] <directhex> ssh: connect to host agricola.debian.org port 22: Network is unreachable
[00:54] <directhex> i think $DEITY is telling me to go to bed
[00:54]  * slangasek is logged in still
[00:54] <directhex> aha, just came back
[01:02] <directhex> Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction.
[01:02] <directhex> 0x406b50c0 in ?? ()
[01:02] <directhex> sigh, that's not very helpful
[01:02] <directhex> i'm going to bed, i should have gone to bed an hour ago
[01:03] <directhex> tomorrow i can bug the debian arm guys to verify which cpu i'm supposed to be building for precisely
[01:04] <ogra> directhex, did you look at the wikipages i posted above ?
[01:04] <ogra> the second one has a nice table
[01:06] <cjwatson> ogra: find-live-filesystem lack of special-casing - um, what's this bit then?
[01:06] <cjwatson> case $ARCH in
[01:06] <cjwatson>         *+*)
[01:06] <cjwatson>                 LIVEPROJECT="$LIVEPROJECT-$SUBARCH"
[01:06] <cjwatson>                 ;;
[01:06] <cjwatson> esac
[01:06] <slangasek> directhex: armv4t is the minimum CPU supported in Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort#ChoiceofminimumCPU
[01:06] <cjwatson> argh, that's only in the public branch, not in the deployment branch!
[01:06] <ogra> cjwatson, heh, thats why i didnt find it
[01:08] <cjwatson> ogra: it's in a different place now, but it should still work
[01:08] <cjwatson>                                 echo "$LIVECD/$DIST/$LIVEPROJECT${SUBARCH:+-$SUBARCH}/current/livecd.$LIVEPROJECT.$ITEM"
[01:08] <cjwatson> ah, wait, there's no subarch in the basename now
[01:08] <ogra> right
[01:08] <ogra> thats been my prob
[01:08] <cjwatson> ogra: r1079 in the deployment branch
[01:09] <cjwatson> message:
[01:09] <cjwatson>   drop the dupliacte reference to  in the url, to match current filenames
[01:09] <cjwatson>   on the livefs buildds
[01:09] <ogra> livecd.$LIVEPROJECT${SUBARCH:+-$SUBARCH}.$ITEM is what livecd.sh produces
[01:10] <ogra> cjwatson, the paths are correct, i have issues with the filenames
[01:11] <ogra> and more so with the sudden change in livecd.sh behavior than with cdimage or debian-cd
[01:11] <ogra> since i cant explain why it started doing that
[01:12] <cjwatson> well, go back to say gutsy, find the relevant code, and then bisect
[01:12] <ogra> well, i added a workaround for now to suppress mangling of $PROJECT with teh subarch under armel
[01:13] <ogra> the thing is that it didnt behave like that in lucid ... sadly we didnt build images in maverick until now so i cant exactly pinpoint when it changed behavior
[01:13] <ogra> no need to go back that far
[01:14] <slangasek> er, I think that change came from NCommander
[01:14] <ogra> he didnt touch anything that could have caused this
[01:14]  * ogra spent his whole evening looking through that
[01:14] <cjwatson> ogra: oh, I understand
[01:15] <cjwatson> wait, do I
[01:16] <ogra> slangasek, FSS="$FS${SUBARCH:+-$SUBARCH}" is the offending code ... and that was added when we started to support powerpc-ps3
[01:16] <cjwatson> but that isn't offending
[01:16] <ogra> well, thats what mangles the filename
[01:16] <cjwatson> IMO, cdimage is wrong if it's failing to download subarch-aware names
[01:16] <ogra> but apparently it never took effect until now
[01:16] <cjwatson> unmangling it for just one architecture was a distinctly unhelpful workaround
[01:16] <cjwatson> now we have to special-case an architecture
[01:17] <cjwatson> please undo that, and let's fix it properly
[01:17] <ogra> hrm
[01:17] <ogra> i really see no point in subarch aware names in the first place with the current livecd build structure
[01:18] <cjwatson> changing it for ONE ARCHITECTURE is unhelpful
[01:18] <ogra> since subarches are divided by subdir on the build machine
[01:18] <cjwatson> I don't care what the result is, but it has to be consistent across architectures
[01:18] <ogra> well, then we should drop it for all perhaps
[01:18] <ogra> i didnt have the balls to do that at the dawn of an alpha
[01:18] <slangasek> no, what we *should* do is get rid of the subarch name in the directory path
[01:19] <ogra> why ?
[01:19] <slangasek> because that's gratuitously different
[01:19] <ogra> that will make us end up with one huge dir that contains a ton of filesystems and logs
[01:19] <cjwatson> also, I think the different filenames may actually be necessary
[01:19] <ogra> on the livefs builder
[01:20] <cjwatson> livecd-rootfs builds different subarches in the same directory, on its side - they get copied off to separate places later
[01:20] <ogra> slangasek, take a look at acorn.buildd
[01:20] <slangasek> ogra: you mean like we do for all the other archs except for armel and ps3 on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/maverick/ ?
[01:20] <slangasek> yes, I'm familiar with the structure
[01:20] <cjwatson> I think that getting rid of the different basenames would introduce bugs in special cases
[01:20] <cjwatson> and I believe I agree with slangasek
[01:20] <cjwatson> tacking subarch onto the *project* name is just weird
[01:21] <cjwatson> doing that in the basename is ugly but not that intrusive; having it in the directory name is really, really odd
[01:21] <slangasek> lool tried to remedy this once before, but ran into timing constraints; I'm not saying we should make this change before a2 either, just that it's where we should end up
[01:21] <cjwatson> in future, though, please do not introduce architecture-specific naming structures
[01:21] <ogra> that will surely require a ton of changes in different places
[01:22] <cjwatson> ogra: I will take care of it
[01:22] <ogra> ok
[01:22] <cjwatson> different places: two, possibly three
[01:22] <ogra> mainly find-live-filesystem i guess
[01:23] <cjwatson> slangasek: well, I think it was put in the directory because each subarch is built independently, and so needs separate datestamps
[01:23] <ogra> cjwatson, i didnt introduce anything, i reverted to old behavior
[01:23] <cjwatson> livecd-rootfs (1.128) maverick; urgency=low
[01:23] <cjwatson>   * do not mangle the project name by attaching the subarch to it on armel,
[01:23] <ogra> i agree with a bad hack
[01:23] <cjwatson>     this results in livefs names that confuse find-live_filesystem
[01:23] <cjwatson>  -- Oliver Grawert<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:04:10 +0200
[01:23] <cjwatson> +    case $TARGETARCH in
[01:23] <cjwatson> +        armel)
[01:23] <slangasek> cjwatson: that's already the case for ports vs. main, which nevertheless share a directory tree :)
[01:23] <cjwatson> slangasek: that's true
[01:24] <cjwatson> ogra: now either armel+* is broken, or powerpc+ps3
[01:24] <ogra> cjwatson, right, as i said, i agree it was a hack, but target was to get back the behavior i has through the last 4 releases
[01:24] <cjwatson> but don't say you didn't introduce something when you did
[01:24] <cjwatson> that's really annoying
[01:25] <cjwatson> I will see if it's fixable tomorrow before starting CD builds
[01:25] <ogra> i only tried to make livecd.sh behave as it did three months ago
[01:26] <ogra> since *something* changed it's behavior and i still dont know what that was
[01:26] <cjwatson> I don't object to fixing things for alphas by way of hacks; I've done that often enough myself.  My point, which I've made but which I seem not to be making effectively, is that those hacks need to not be architecture-specific like this.
[01:26] <cjwatson> there is no way that the architecture-specific-ness of this hack could have helped
[01:26] <ogra> i agree, it was kind of a last resort thing
[01:26] <slangasek> cjwatson: do you want me to have a poke at this this evening?
[01:27] <cjwatson> slangasek: if you like; I have to wait for ubiquity in the morning anyway
[01:27] <slangasek> well, one less thing for you to worry about in the morning
[01:27] <ogra> cjwatson, i muchly would have preferred to find out *why* it changed at all
[01:28] <cjwatson> what worries me is that we will build up a pile of these architecture-specific hacks, and then the logic to deal with them on the cdimage side will become completely incomprehensible instead of mostly incomprehensible.
[01:28] <ogra> but either i'm blind or dumb, i cant see a code change that causes that change in behavior
[01:28] <ogra> i wouldnt have done an arch specific hack at all if i could have found the root cause
[01:32] <slangasek> ogra: yeah, I don't see the change either. :/
[01:37] <cjwatson> nor I, but I also don't see why it was failing to include the subarch in the first place and so as I say I consider the new behaviour better
[01:37] <cjwatson> I wonder if there was a stale version of BuildLiveCD in use
[01:37] <ogra_cmpc> it definatley used the subarch var during builds
[01:37] <ogra_cmpc> the armel kernel selection fully depends on it
[01:39] <ogra_cmpc> cjwatson, you mean it mangled the naming post build for armel ?
[01:40] <cjwatson> I don't know
[01:41] <ogra_cmpc> thats a possibility i didnt take into account
[01:42] <cjwatson> I don't think that's what I said though
[01:42] <cjwatson> I wasn't that specific :)
[01:42] <ogra_cmpc> no but its a possibility
[01:44] <slangasek> does BuildLiveCD also get updated on every build?
[01:44] <ogra_cmpc> nope
[01:44] <slangasek> ok
[01:44] <ogra_cmpc> lamont wanted to have some control over it
[01:46] <ogra_cmpc> argh
[01:46]  * ogra_cmpc reverts his change completely
[01:47] <slangasek> ogra_cmpc: I already did so and am about to upload... ?
[01:47] <ogra_cmpc> oh, ok
[01:47] <slangasek> and then will get cdimage sorted
[01:48] <ogra_cmpc> i just started a testbuild and noticed that TARGETARCH is undefined at the point where i introduced the change :(
[01:48] <ogra_cmpc> so it wouldnt have worked anyway
[01:48] <RAOF> Speaking of cdimages - would anyone like to sponsor an xorg-server upload to shave ~1MB off xserver-common by dropping the upstream changelog as per pitti's request?
[01:49] <cjwatson> RAOF: fire me a source package
[01:49] <cjwatson> or a branch
[01:49] <RAOF> cooperteam.net/Packages/xorg-server_<IP_ADDRESS>2-0ubuntu2_source.changes
[01:50] <cjwatson> can't connect
[01:50] <TheMuso> me neither.
[01:50] <RAOF> Failing that, debcheckout xorg-server and grab the ubuntu branch.
[01:50] <cjwatson> HEAD says 500 Can't connect to cooperteam.net:80 (connect: Connection refused)
[01:51]  * ogra_cmpc wonders if we couldnt drop OO.o in favour of zoho-weboffice at some point and win 100MB
[01:51]  * RAOF is IRCing from cooperteam.net, so I wonder what's wrong.
[01:51] <cjwatson> debcheckout will take a while
[01:51] <TheMuso> Weboffice = accessibility pain, at least for me.
[01:52] <ogra_cmpc> TheMuso, ah, thats a valid point
[01:52]  * TheMuso is somewhat opposed to a lot of things that are done on the web, that could just as easily be done in client apps running on the desktop.
[01:53] <TheMuso> I.e, IMO the web is not the be all and end all.
[01:53] <cjwatson> RAOF: dump it on people.c.c for me?
[01:53] <ogra_cmpc> we're using it on armel quite successfully but i dont think anyone focused on a11y
[01:53] <TheMuso> ogra_cmpc: Considering lots of those devices are touch screen based anyway, a11y is going to need a lot more work than just web office etc.
[01:54] <ogra_cmpc> TheMuso, surely not but there are usecases where it makes sense to put the load on an extrenal server
[01:54] <TheMuso> ogra_cmpc: I agree to a point.
[01:54] <ogra_cmpc> TheMuso, well, there are these arm netbooks that will *come soon*
[01:54] <ogra_cmpc> they wont be touch based
[01:54] <TheMuso> ogra_cmpc: Ah ok, interesting.
[01:55] <ogra_cmpc> though they come "soon" since two years
[01:55] <ogra_cmpc> :)
[01:55] <TheMuso> ogra_cmpc: heh
[01:56] <TheMuso> In terms of touchscreen based accessibility, currently Apple is the only one who has it done right
[01:56] <RAOF> cjwatson: http://cooperteam.net/Packages/xorg-server_<IP_ADDRESS>2-0ubuntu2_source.changes should work now.
[01:56] <ogra_cmpc> we'll get there
[01:56] <ogra_cmpc> currently ubuntu isnt great on touchscreens anyway, it can only get better
[01:59] <cjwatson> RAOF: uploaded, thanks
[01:59] <TheMuso> ogra_cmpc: ah ok
[05:29] <Meep> Hi - is there any way that you can track an RSS feed for PPA builds?
[05:30] <micahg> Meep: #launchpad would be a more appropriate place to ask
[05:32] <Meep> Thanks
[05:47] <ScottK> cjwatson: We've now got our first member of kubuntu-dev who wasn't MOTU first, which caused me to notice that kubuntu-dev isn't a member of ubuntu-dev.  I assume this is just an oversight ...
[05:48] <ScottK> cjwatson: Nevermind.  It's there, I just can't read late at night.
[05:50] <SpamapS> wow.. buildd's on launchpad seem crazy busy... 21+ hours
[06:46] <pitti> Good morning
[06:47] <pitti> RAOF: right, I saw the Debian changelog for that; but it's another easy MB :)
[06:47] <pitti> RAOF: thanks!
[06:57] <dholbach> good morning
[07:07]  * pitti hugs dholbach
[07:07]  * dholbach hugs pitti back :)
[07:07] <dholbach> how's life?
[07:08] <pitti> pretty good! yay summer
[07:08] <dholbach> yeah :-)
[07:08] <dholbach> finally
[07:20] <pitti> ccheney: is that oo.o armel segfault something new?
[07:20] <pitti> ogra_cmpc: is the OO.o armel failure blocking armel alpha-2 images, or did we unseed it there?
[07:21] <pitti> ccheney: (the segfault during build, I mean)
[07:55] <dholbach> apachelogger: can you please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep?
[07:56] <dholbach> Riddell: ^ or maybe you can write something for apachelogger? I have no clue what widgetcraft is
[07:56] <dholbach> and I want to announced UDW today
[07:59] <pitti> !regression-alert
[08:00] <pitti> yesterday's firefox update fails if firefox-2 is installed, see bug 600022
[08:00] <pitti> and due to the newly split out -branding package, it doesn't fail gracefully enough, firefox-3 is rather broken after apt fails over
[08:06] <micahg> firefox (3, the default) not firefox-3
[08:13] <pitti> ok, so discussion in #u-desktop confirms the "high" importance, not "critical"; affected people have firefox-2 as a temporary fallback, and only few people have that installed in the first place
[08:13] <pitti> and we can push out a fix in some two hours
[08:23] <cjwatson> pitti: agreed
[09:07] <apachelogger> dholbach: described
[09:08] <dholbach> thanks apachelogger
[09:26] <dupondje> http://ubuntu.dupondje.be/opal.debdiff => does this look ok, would like to get it merged asap, to get newer Ekiga into Maverick :)
[09:37] <geser> dupondje: do you have an idea where from that non-Ubuntu changelog entries come from?
[09:39] <geser> dupondje: minor note: we use "Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as maintainer now for main and universe
[09:42] <geser> dupondje: and libcelt-dev and libpt-dev are in universe
[09:46] <geser> dupondje: forget the last comment; I just saw that that opal is in universe too, so the other build-dependecies from universe are not a problem and opal could even by synced instead of merged
[09:47] <dupondje> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/opal
[09:47] <dupondje> here it says main ? :p
[09:48] <Laney> not for Maverick
[09:48] <geser> dupondje: don't look at the "Component" as it set from the last upload but look at the table below. At the point of upload opal was in main but got demoted (moved to universe) later
[09:49] <dupondje> ah I see :) didn't notice
[09:49] <dupondje> could you sync it ?
[09:54] <seb128> pitti, we should maybe move the sdl discussion there
[09:54] <seb128> pitti, I don't know about libsdl1.2debian-udeb
[09:55] <seb128> but maybe cjwatson can reply to whether it's required or not nowadays
[09:56] <seb128> cjwatson, we were discussing stopping building libsdl with directfb since that's the only thing in maverick bringing directfb on the CD
[09:56] <cjwatson> we don't need anything to do with directfb in udebs any more
[09:56] <pitti> nice
[09:56] <pitti> looking at that then
[09:56] <cjwatson> libsdl1.2debian-udeb itself is still in Debian unstable so I guess something is using it
[09:57] <cjwatson> but anything directfb-ish can go
[10:01] <pitti> seb128: I prepare/test that now and upload after alpha-2; for a2 we have to resort to dropping langpacks, I think
[10:02] <pitti> (I already dropped some, with that and yesterday's fixes we should be back in size I think)
[10:04] <seb128> pitti, ok
[10:07] <lifeless> klingon can probably go
[10:07] <lifeless> and latin
[10:08]  * lifeless is teasing and knows they aren't on the CD already
[10:08] <pitti> unfortunately we had to drop languages which are even more popular than Klingon
[10:08] <lifeless> pitti: there are more popular languages? Oh Noes.
[10:08] <pitti> lifeless: I wonder what "core dump" menas in Latin
[10:09] <pitti> "means"
[10:09] <lifeless> probably something about going to the toilet in the forest.
[10:19] <jml> si haec verba legere potes, tibi nimium eruditio est
[10:21] <bilalakhtar> !regression-alert
[10:21] <bilalakhtar> bug #595265
[10:26] <pitti> bilalakhtar: did that happen in a post-lucid upgrade?
[10:26] <bilalakhtar> pitti: yes
[10:26] <bilalakhtar> pitti: an update pushed on 2010-05-03 to maverick
[10:26] <pitti> oh, maverick
[10:27] <bilalakhtar> pitti: and 2010-05-03 on lucid
[10:27] <pitti> bilalakhtar: that isn't an update to lucid then, though
[10:27] <pitti> oh, ok
[10:27] <bilalakhtar> pitti: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/gwibber/lucid-updates
[10:27] <bilalakhtar> revision 38 ^^
[10:27] <pitti> bilalakhtar: thanks
[10:28] <pitti> bilalakhtar: I'll assign it to the appropriate developer and milestone it accordingly; thanks for pointing out!
[10:29] <bilalakhtar> pitti: you're welcome. I have always been hearing about you, having the highest karma on lp. talking to you for the first time!
[10:30] <pitti> "Don't allow people to click "Add" before we have enough information
[10:30] <pitti>       from facebook to add the account"
[10:30] <pitti> so this is very likely a regression from that indeed
[10:30] <pitti> bilalakhtar: nice to get to know you :)
[10:37] <BlackZ> pitti: could you look at bug #598874 when you have time ? libmpcdec is in main and it would be great to get fixed
[10:38] <pitti> seb128: new sdl working great here \o/
[10:40] <seb128> pitti, nice!
[10:44] <ogra_cmpc> pitti, we have weboffice by default on arm images, OOo only needs to be installable by release day
[10:45] <ogra_cmpc> pitti, so dont worry
[10:46] <pitti> ogra_cmpc: ok, thanks; I dropped OO.o from armel
[10:46] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/maverick_probs.html looks quite okay now
[10:46] <ogra_cmpc> pitti, you dropped ?
[10:46] <ogra_cmpc> it shouldnt be pulled in at all
[10:46] <ogra_cmpc> since lucid
[10:46] <pitti> ogra_cmpc: I dropped it from ubuntu-desktop [armel], yes
[10:46] <pitti> ogra_cmpc: perhaps you mean netbook?
[10:46] <ogra_cmpc> oh, desktop
[10:47] <ogra_cmpc> yeah, i dont care for desktop
[10:47] <ogra_cmpc> nobody build it
[10:47] <ogra_cmpc> *builds
[10:48] <pitti> right
[10:48] <ogra_cmpc> we should have a working metapackage on release day that doesnt differ from x86, but .nothing to worry about atm
[11:12] <pitti> Riddell: hm, koreport is uninstallable because koffice-libs Conflicts/Replaces: it (without version); should the binary just go then?
[11:13] <pitti> I don't think it breaks actual images, since it's not seeded
[11:14] <Riddell> pitti: yes that binary can go
[11:14] <Riddell> files now in koffice-libs
[11:14] <dholbach> can somebody shove my mail through ubuntu-devel-announce?
[11:14] <pitti> Riddell: oh, it's already NBS, great
[11:14] <pitti> dholbach: will do
[11:14] <dholbach> thanks pitti
[11:16] <pitti> oh, there was more interesting stuff indeed
[11:16] <pitti> geser: please prod someone to moderate u-d-a stuff if you send minutes
[11:21] <Iraq> How install file.tar.zg but learn me step by step please and thank
[11:21] <tsimpson> Iraq: not here
[11:21] <Iraq> not your channel
[11:21] <Iraq> leave me
[11:22] <Iraq> jealos
[11:28] <pitti> ogasawara: kernel ddebs> ah, retrieval from crested (amd64 buildd) was disabled since it hanged forever last time I tried it
[11:28] <pitti> ogasawara: I'm retrieving the last weeks' ddebs and now convert to urllib2 to avoid those hacks in the first place
[11:56] <pitti> ogasawara: argh, except that python is too old on macquarie, so I can't add a timeout
[11:59] <pitti> ogasawara: but missing ddebs are trickling in now
[12:02] <Daviey> jdong / cjwatson / slangasek: I know you probably have your hands full atm with A2 prep, but at some point today; do you think you could ack the SRU of Bug 566792 ; As i really want to make sure it gets through verfication prior to 10.04.1.
[12:02] <cjwatson> I'll look
[12:02] <Daviey> cjwatson: super, thanks!
[12:03]  * cjwatson has a similarly positioned SRU of his own on its way so needs the karma
[12:03] <cjwatson> in the non-LP sense
[12:03] <Daviey> heh.
[12:06] <cjwatson> Daviey: I guess this will trickle into maverick via an upstream merge?
[12:06] <cjwatson> Daviey: accepted
[12:10] <Daviey> cjwatson: Yeah, that is great thanks
[12:12] <Daviey> cjwatson: I intentionally *haven't* pushed this to maverick, as the current version in maverick is a stop gap -waiting on upstream to fix there latest devel branch so we can push it into maverick.  The area that has been fixed in this upload, has had a major rewrite in the upstream devel branch - and i don't want to introduce a false sense of fixedness.
[12:12] <Daviey> Hopefully upstream will have addressed this in their latest devel branch, but i want the issue there until they drop it to us.
[12:12]  * cjwatson nods
[13:24] <pitti> smb: I'm about to release the lot of linux packages for lucid, they look ok from here; did you hear any problems?
[13:26] <smb> pitti, Not to my knowledge. I haven't heard/or do remember definite feedback on the topic branch packages but I asked twice and anything happening to them is imo their own problem then
[13:27] <pitti> smb: if you don't fell sure about some of them I can skip them
[13:27] <pitti> but I'd like to push out at least the main linux and perhaps ec2
[13:28] <smb> pitti, No push them all. Even if there is anything broken there (which I do not think) it will educate :-P
[13:28] <pitti> ok
[13:57] <Tim> This might be a silly question but I've Googled and come up with nothing, how do I flush whatever is caching /usr/lib/bonobo/server/ files.
[13:57] <Tim> Or at least have the bonobo-activation-server reread the configuration
[13:58] <micahg> pitti: was the Firefox upgrade stopped on mirrors for all releases or just Hardy?
[13:59] <pitti> micahg: we didn't actually stop it; it was expected to land much earlier
[13:59] <micahg> pitti: k :)
[13:59] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i've uploaded the new version to the PPA now
[13:59] <pitti> and since affected people have firefox-2 as a fallback, it's not the end of the world perhaps
[13:59] <pitti> chrisccoulson: yay you!
[14:00] <chrisccoulson> i'm going to plan some test cases whilst it's building to make sure all the possible upgrade paths still work
[14:00] <chrisccoulson> but, i must eat first :)
[16:22] <ccheney> pitti, sorry didn't notice my xchat crashed :(
[16:23] <ccheney> pitti, i bet the armel crash is due to the removal doko requested
[16:23] <ccheney> pitti, er code removal
[16:24]  * ccheney examining the crash now to see if it looks likely
[16:31] <ccheney> pitti, armel build failed because the buildd couldn't install the depends, or the current log is that way
[16:32] <ccheney> pitti, if it segfaulted it might be a problem i can fix but the current attempt couldn't install the depends
[16:33] <ogra> ccheney, dont bother i'm pretty sure we need a working openjdk first, the segfaults are during installation fo cacert's
[16:33] <ogra> s/fo/of/
[16:33] <ccheney> ogra: ok
[16:34]  * ccheney goes back to testing server images
[16:34] <ogra> doko_, will you take care of openjdk on armel or do i need to poke linaro now ?
[16:39] <doko_> ogra: please poke linaro, won't have time for this for a while. and linaro does have a work item to update the linaro armel bits
[16:39] <doko_> openjdk I mean
[16:39] <ogra> ok
[17:13] <seb128> kees, hi, did you ever upstream your gdm patch to use login.defs value for getting the uid limit?
[17:15] <seb128> kees, it doesn't apply to the current version, I've disabled it for now, the work in progress for the next upload but if you want to have a go at updating it that would be nice
[17:53] <kees> seb128: can't you forward port it?
[17:54] <kees> seb128: dropping that patch will cause regressions for people...
[17:55] <seb128> kees, I could yes, they just rewrote this code to be async and the structure you used is not available now
[17:55] <kees> seb128: which version of gdm are you working on?
[17:55] <seb128> kees, right, well right now I've no further time to spend on it so I guess I will let the gdm update sit in the vcs until somebody has time for it
[17:56] <seb128> kees, 2.30.4 but they did quite some refactoring in the stable serie
[17:56] <seb128> kees, anyway if you have some time and want to do it I would appreciate, otherwise I will see if robert_ancell can do it or delay the update to next week
[17:56] <kees> seb128: where in vcs is it?
[17:56] <seb128> kees, debcheckout gdm?
[17:57] <seb128> lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gdm/ubuntu
[17:57] <kees> (main is frozen atm anyway, so a delay should be okay)
[17:58] <seb128> kees, right, it's just that we have a zillion patches to gdm and I spent 3 hours on it today now updating those, so right now I'm in a state where I'm grumpy about people doing changes and not sending those upstream ;-)
[17:58] <seb128> (not that upstream applied the ones we sent...)
[17:58] <seb128> kees, anyway if you want to update it that would be nice otherwise I will do it another day
[17:58] <kees> seb128: right, sorry about that.  I'll update the patch and get it sent upstream.
[17:59] <seb128> kees, don't feel forced to do it, I just figured I would ask in case ;-)
[17:59] <kees> seb128: well, since it affects me, it's easy for me to test.  :)
[18:00] <kees> seb128: vcs says "gdm (2.30.2.is.2.30.0-0ubuntu2) lucid-proposed" ?
[18:01] <seb128> kees, hum?
[18:02] <seb128> kees, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gdm/ubuntu
[18:03] <seb128> kees, oh, lucid-proposed is newer than maverick so if you used debcheckout it might have grabbed the lucid serie
[18:03] <kees> weird, debcheckout did not pull that repo.  anyway, looks good from lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gdm/ubuntu
[18:03] <kees> ah- yeah, that's why
[18:07] <kees> seb128: er, you said the patch didn't apply any more?
[18:08] <seb128> kees, no sorry, it doesn't build anymore rather
[18:08] <seb128> kees, gui/simple-greeter/gdm-user-manager.c
[18:09] <seb128> kees, the manager variable is not available to do manager->priv->minimal_uid
[18:09] <seb128> kees, they changed the code to be async and they don't give the manager to new function now
[18:09] <kees> seb128: ah-ha! okay, I will continue poking at it.
[18:09] <seb128> thanks
[18:48] <seb128> re
[18:48] <seb128> kees, thanks for the updating the patch ;-)
[18:48] <kees> oh! sure thing.  :)
[19:10]  * shadeslayer pokes his head in
[19:26] <shadeslayer> hi,im working on bug 264752
[19:26] <shadeslayer> need a small amount of help tho,the packages debian/rules file has dh_* stuff
[19:27] <shadeslayer> can i mix it woth cdbs? or is there a simpler way to patch it?
[19:58] <ari-tczew> Dear developers, as we are after DebianImportFreeze, I appeal to more frequently move syncs from ~ubuntu-archive bug-list.  Thanks.
[19:59] <cjwatson> well, syncs certainly ought not to be processed preferentially today, as we're in soft freeze for alpha-2.
[19:59] <cjwatson> we can perhaps do some universe ones
[20:00] <cjwatson> oldest sync request seems about five days old
[20:01] <SpamapS> curious, have many people here had success using mentors.debian.net ?
[20:02] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: I'd like to see global use of syncpackage script, which reduce 100% of work archive admins.
[20:06] <cjwatson> I'm not going to get into that again, but in short I want to see LP having a sync operation built-in, which reduces archive admin work in the same way but doesn't have the shortcoming of possible inconsistencies due to work being done on the client size
[20:06] <cjwatson> *client side
[20:06] <cjwatson> ... actually apparently I am going to get into that again.  whatever.
[20:24] <kfogel> jcastro: ping
[20:26] <jcastro> kfogel: hi
[20:27] <kfogel> jcastro: hey!  A rather exciting project I know, the Decapod / Fluid book scanner software (decapod-project.org) is going to need help getting their client-side software packaged for Ubuntu / Debian sometime in the relatively near future.  What's the best way for them to do that?  They don't know much about packaging themselves; they're developers.
[20:28] <shadeslayer> kfogel: ask for it to be packaged by debian ? :P
[20:28] <kfogel> jcastro: (this may well be an FAQ, but there are so many FAQ sheets out there I couldn't find the right one, at least not quickly)
[20:28] <shadeslayer> kfogel: or #ubuntu-motu maybe
[20:28] <jcastro> kfogel: ubuntu-motu mailing list might be a good place to start
[20:28] <kfogel> shadeslayer: yes, thanks.  I have ascertained that mailing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is the way to start on that, but that doesn't guarantee that an Ubuntu package will be rolled, does it?
[20:28] <kfogel> jcastro: thank you
[20:29] <shadeslayer> kfogel: it does actually
[20:29] <jcastro> kfogel: after it's in debian it gets synced back
[20:29] <shadeslayer> kfogel: all ubuntu software is sourced from debian
[20:29] <shadeslayer> !sync | kfogel
[20:29] <shadeslayer> has info about syncs as well
[20:29] <jcastro> kfogel: long term that's what they'll want to do
[20:29] <kfogel> shadeslayer, jcastro: sorry, I should have said "does not guarantee an Ubuntu package will be rolled quickly", but maybe that doesn't matter so much in this case.
[20:29] <kfogel> Anyway, above is enough information to get me pointed in the right direction.  Thanks much!
[20:30] <jcastro> kfogel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Upstream <-look uunder "how to get into ubuntu"
[20:30] <kfogel> jcastro: you rock
[20:30]  * shadeslayer is all for sleep right now
[20:30] <Drakeson> could you please check the package openjdk-6-doc? it is almost empty here (no API documentation unlike what the package description suggests)
[20:44] <seb128> re
[20:45] <seb128> cjwatson, do you know if there is any maverick grub bug about unaligned pointer errors after upgrade?
[20:46] <seb128> cjwatson, I dist-upgrade a box running maverick but which didn't get updated for some weeks and now I get that error instead of grub
[21:01] <seb128> cjwatson, ignore that, I realized that was the error the issues mentioned in your recent blog post were about...
[21:33] <SpamapS> even though its after debian import freeze, we can still request new packages to be synced manually from debian, right?
[21:45] <james_w> SpamapS: indeed
[21:47] <cjwatson> seb128: right, was about to point you at my blog :) what was it, wrong device.map or just needed dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc?
[21:49] <seb128> cjwatson, dunno yet, the box doesn't start and I'm a rsync alpha2 isos, I figured I would use it as an opportunity to try alpha2 livecd
[21:52] <seb128> but I've 2 lucid installs on that box, one that I use regularly and one which is a test install partition
[21:54] <cjwatson> probably just weren't booting from the grub installation that grub-pc/install_devices thought you were booting from then
[21:54] <IdleOne> what package handles the auto login?
[22:26] <kees> SpamapS: the memcached change looks good.  do you need sponsoring of that package?
[22:28] <pitti> ccheney: hm, it was very far into the build, but it called some java program which crashed; it's not a dependency failure
[22:28] <pitti> ccheney: anyway, we worked around the problem for now
[22:45] <SpamapS> kees: I do if you don't mind. :)
[22:45] <SpamapS> kees: forwarding patch to debian right now btw. :)
[22:45] <kees> SpamapS: uploaded!  thanks.  :)
[22:49] <SpamapS> kees: ^5
[22:49] <kees>      5
[22:49] <kees>     o/
[23:07] <ccheney> pitti, yea someone mentioned that earlier today, sorry for my slow response to your comment, i was helping my wife, she is very sick at the moment
[23:07]  * ccheney is making up missed time while away from the computer at night


[02:41] <ahoneybun> gsilva: wxl there is a ubuntu-doc meeting june 2nd (don;t know the time)
[02:41] <ahoneybun> we can discuss what I was talking about earier
[23:01] <gsilvapt> and please discuss it here, please, Nairwolf
[23:04] <Kamilion> ?
[23:05] <Kamilion> oh
[23:05] <Nairwolf> yes, it's better here
[23:06] <Nairwolf> what did you mean about the release date for the python script ?
[23:06] <Nairwolf> Hi, Kamilion ;)
[23:06] <gsilvapt> Nairwolf, LP is an online project management. I tried to estimate some dates for accomplishing things
[23:07] <gsilvapt> The idea is to try and get the final re-design of the Wiki by the time we need to prepare the next release
[23:07] <gsilvapt> If we can't for any reason, it's okay
[23:07] <gsilvapt> After all, we are volunteers, not employees :)
[23:08] <gsilvapt> You should find some time to explore Launchpad, take the official tour and try it out as you feel like
[23:08] <wxl> github is a lot like launchpad
[23:09] <Kamilion> except launchpad can do builds
[23:09] <Nairwolf> yes, I've taken the official tour. It just I find difficult to navigate between pages on launchpad
[23:09] <gsilvapt> it can be, I'll give you that
[23:09] <gsilvapt> but once you're under a project page, it's pretty easy actually, although you may need to get used to it
[23:10] <gsilvapt> hi, wxl :)
[23:11] <wxl> derp
[23:11] <gsilvapt> hehe
[23:11] <Nairwolf> yes, but some projects are linked and sometimes it seems difficult to navigate between them, but now, it's okay
[23:11] <gsilvapt> Nairwolf, wxl agreed that LP has some quirks here and there
[23:11] <gsilvapt> yeap, that's the kind of things you need to get used to
[23:11] <gsilvapt> In a few days, if you use it regularly, you'll master it
[23:12] <gsilvapt> It is not very hard, although yea, it requires accomodation
[23:13] <Nairwolf> for the python script, don't worry, it would be ready before the next release ! It's just that I need to stay focus on my VISA request, and prepare my journey to USA. In few weeks, I should have more time to finish this.
[23:13] <gsilvapt> Sure, no worries men :)
[23:13] <gsilvapt> You organize your agenda as you can
[23:13] <Nairwolf> it's not really difficult as I've said. I just need to read more precisely doc of the python package
[23:13] <gsilvapt> When you get to rest a bit, you come over and we can deal with that
[23:14] <gsilvapt> if, for some reason, it doesn't get ready, we'll take care of that on another time
[23:14] <Nairwolf> yes, don't worry
[23:17] <wxl> nice email gsilvapt
[23:17] <gsilvapt> wxl, do you know how to solve the Google 2-step auth issue with @ubuntu.com email?
[23:17] <wxl> i again repeat: you are a natural born leader
[23:18] <wxl> actually, no, gsilvapt. i was thinking about getting a yubikey neo to do 2-factor on gmail among other things, so i may have some time to play with that.
[23:18] <gsilvapt> Thank you, wxl. Now I see the message isn't perfect. Grammar mistakes and lack of coherency. Need to work more on that...
[23:19] <wxl> yeah well incremental improvement and all :)
[23:19] <gsilvapt> Damn. I was busting my head very hard this afternoon. Apparently, if you have 2-step auth AND use the browser only, you'll screwed. rafael uses external mail clients and he is able to send emails from @ubuntu.com
[23:20] <wxl> gsilvapt: so you use browser only?
[23:20] <gsilvapt> And yea, Google suggests you creating an app password in those cases, but well...  I've emailed<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to let them know about it, even though I doubt they'll do something about
[23:20] <gsilvapt> Yes, wxl
[23:20] <wxl> i often do, too
[23:20] <wxl> what's the problem with the app password?
[23:21] <gsilvapt> I only have this email account. I have one for college, but I don't use it. besides, all mail clients are bad and worthless - no offense
[23:21] <Kamilion> I also use 2factor and don't use a native client.
[23:21] <wxl> ah
[23:21] <gsilvapt> Well, I can't send emails, although I can receive them. When the mail delivery system replies back, it says: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11102860/
[23:21] <Kamilion> I try to keep as little as possible in local state
[23:21] <gsilvapt> If I open the support link they provide, it will get me to the page where it suggests to create an app password for the client I'm using - But I am using the browser
[23:22] <wxl> actually that looks like the usual thing i get
[23:22] <Kamilion> then create an app password and use that for the browser.
[23:22] <Kamilion> the app password simply bypasses the 2-step process.
[23:22] <Kamilion> it's like 'mark this computer as trusted for 30 days' but doesn't expire.
[23:23] <gsilvapt> Kamilion, I tried that. Following Google's suggestions made me change my google acc's password and all my devices were completely crazy
[23:23] <gsilvapt> No way I'm doing that crazy mistake
[23:23] <Kamilion> I also had to create an app password for my android phone to sync with google.
[23:23] <gsilvapt> Oh, and the email didn't work anyway :D
[23:23] <Kamilion> sounds like you may have misunderstood something
[23:23] <gsilvapt> I then went mad and turned off 2-step security. The email immediately worked
[23:23] <Kamilion> and/or google changed things on you
[23:23] <wxl> gsilvapt: you followed these instructions? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail#Sending_email_from_GMail_with_your_Ubuntu_address
[23:23] <Kamilion> which HAS happened
[23:24] <gsilvapt> Maybe, indeed Kamilion . They suggested creating an app password for my client, so I search for and there is nothing for browsers
[23:24] <Kamilion> ah yes, that workaround.
[23:24] <wxl> cuz the error is not the same but it links to the same URL
[23:24] <Kamilion> when i use that workaround, wxl, it stamps my messages differently
[23:24] <gsilvapt> Picked one for non-specific purposes and they said to change the password for that one they gave me
[23:24] <gsilvapt> which... well, made me suffer for 1 hour and such
[23:24] <Kamilion> "from gmail on behalf of<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:25] <gsilvapt> wxl, yes, I followed those steps
[23:25] <wxl> Kamilion: that's the only way to do it!
[23:25] <wxl> i mean there's no ubuntu.com smtp, so you are necessarily are going to be "on behalf"
[23:25] <Kamilion> and ubuntu.com has some kind of a TXT record allowing google's MX as an allowable one?
[23:26]  * wxl shrugs
[23:26] <wxl> not sure how exactly it works, i just know it does
[23:26] <Kamilion> ex: sllabs.com.             300     IN      TXT     "v=spf1 a mx a:sllabs.com a:goldmine.sllabs.com a:hub.sllabs.com include:_spf.google.com ~all"
[23:26] <wxl> and i know there's no other way, except potentially using some other smtp
[23:26] <gsilvapt> great, a new language :D
[23:26] <wxl> the bottom line is there is NO ubuntu smtp
[23:28] <Kamilion> hm, and it won't AXFR to me so i can read the entire zone.
[23:28] <gsilvapt> wxl, I put everything properly in the settings
[23:29] <gsilvapt> I don't know how the smtp thing works, but it seems that Gmail is assuming I'm trying to send from an external email client
[23:29] <Kamilion> yes, you're trying to use gmail's SMTP server from gmail.
[23:30] <wxl> oic
[23:30] <gsilvapt> on the browser
[23:30] <wxl> it's unclear how to generate an app password
[23:30] <Kamilion> i can help you with that.
[23:30] <gsilvapt> Okay, how do I generate an app password for a browser?
[23:31] <Kamilion> https://security.google.com/settings/security/apppasswords
[23:31] <wxl> the browser doesn't come up automagically
[23:31] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/hMmLk/836fe855c5.png
[23:31] <Kamilion> you'll see something like that
[23:32] <Kamilion> scroll down to the bottom
[23:32] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/hMmNl/0d1ddd7ed9.png
[23:32] <Kamilion> from "Select app" or "Select device", choose "Other (Custom name)" and type in an identifier for the password.
[23:33] <wxl> it can be anything?
[23:33] <wxl> like "Dumb Browser"
[23:33] <Kamilion> yep!
[23:33] <wxl> ahhh there you go gsilvapt
[23:33] <wxl> that's the key :)
[23:33] <Kamilion> and then it will give you the app-specific password
[23:33] <Kamilion> ONCE AND ONLY ONCE
[23:33] <Kamilion> so if you wish to reuse it (for example, for all your chrome browsers), you can
[23:34] <Kamilion> but I wouldn't recommend it
[23:34] <Nairwolf> aaah, Google.....
[23:34] <Kamilion> You may revoke an app-specific password at any time.
[23:34] <Nairwolf> It's like he doesn't want that you use an other email ^^
[23:34] <wxl> if that works, gsilvapt edit the wiki to add in a 2 step section
[23:35] <gsilvapt> Guys, I already tried that
[23:35] <gsilvapt> It doesn't work
[23:35] <Kamilion> you do not need to change your account password
[23:35] <wxl> gsilvapt: you added an app password?
[23:35] <gsilvapt> yeap
[23:35] <gsilvapt> it is still there
[23:35] <gsilvapt> http://prntscr.com/74xuzu
[23:36] <wxl> and let me guess: you never get prompted for it
[23:36] <Kamilion> and this was the password you entered in the SMTP password box?
[23:36] <gsilvapt> no
[23:36] <Kamilion> with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as the username, sans brackets?
[23:36] <gsilvapt> let me give it a try then
[23:37] <gsilvapt> wxl, can you confirm if you received my message?
[23:38] <Kamilion> can send a test message to me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:38] <wxl> gsilvapt: confirmed
[23:38] <gsilvapt> wow
[23:38] <Kamilion> but sounds like you got it.
[23:38] <Kamilion> all in the wrist.
[23:38] <wxl> PLEASE add to the wiki!!!
[23:39] <gsilvapt> would any of you mind testing to see if I can receive?
[23:39] <gsilvapt><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:39] <gsilvapt> I will, wxl
[23:39] <Kamilion> message sent
[23:39] <wxl> sent
[23:39] <gsilvapt> Ah, cool
[23:40] <gsilvapt> got both
[23:40] <gsilvapt> cool
[23:40] <gsilvapt> thanks, Kamilion :)
[23:40] <wxl> eeeeasy
[23:40] <wxl> just wait until i get my yubikey neo
[23:40]  * wxl squees
[23:40] <Kamilion> lemme go whack the wiki
[23:40] <gsilvapt> I can handle that
[23:40] <wxl> i'm going to try to get work to pay for it but if not i'm getting one anyways
[23:40] <gsilvapt> I understood the process - although the wiki is super slow
[23:41] <Kamilion> wxl: which?
[23:41] <Kamilion> I <3 my yubikey classic.
[23:41] <wxl> gsilvapt: now if you ever figure out a really good reliable solution for pgp in gmail, let me know
[23:41] <Kamilion> wxl: do you use chrome?
[23:43] <wxl> Kamilion: the neo. it can act as a smart card, handle openpgp, fido u2f AAAAND works with nfc
[23:43] <Kamilion> https://github.com/google/end-to-end
[23:43] <wxl> Kamilion: yeah
[23:43] <wxl> experimental tho :(
[23:43] <wxl> maybe i should just try it
[23:43] <wxl> i've tried mailvelope but not happy with it
[23:44] <Kamilion> there's also https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/mymail-crypt-for-gmail/jcaobjhdnlpmopmjhijplpjhlplfkhba?hl=en-US
[23:44] <gsilvapt> can anyone log in the Wiki? Damn, the thing is slow today
[23:44] <Kamilion> nope
[23:44] <wxl> lots of bad review on mymail
[23:45] <Kamilion> pretty much.
[23:45] <wxl> mailvelope works for someone but not for me
[23:45] <wxl> i think the problem lies somewhere in gmail
[23:46] <wxl> since "plain text" mode wraps at 79 characters
[23:46] <Kamilion> to be honest? I still use enigmail in thunderbird.
[23:46] <wxl> and "rich text" makes for html mail blah
[23:46] <wxl> yeah enigmail works
[23:46] <wxl> i just don't want another thing
[23:46] <Kamilion> me either
[23:46] <Kamilion> but tbird was my old mail client before I switched to gmail
[23:46] <Kamilion> and for the few times where I need to use my keybase.io identity to cryptomail someone, it works
[23:47] <Kamilion> and thunderbird portable is a big help
[23:47] <wxl> would be nice to automagically sign everything
[23:47] <Kamilion> once End-to-End hits, that'll be an easier target
[23:48] <wxl> yeah i know
[23:48] <Kamilion> though with Inbox looming
[23:48] <Kamilion> dunno
[23:48] <wxl> inbox looming?
[23:48] <Kamilion> I'm not enthused
[23:48] <wxl> looming like it's going to take over?
[23:48] <wxl> cuz i didn't like it
[23:48] <Kamilion> http://www.google.com/inbox/
[23:48] <Kamilion> basically the android gmail client in-browser
[23:49] <wxl> oh jesus elliptic curve
[23:49] <wxl> no WONDER it's not official
[23:49] <Kamilion> kinda like how Opera used to have a built in mail client and IRC client
[23:49] <wxl> oh noes mojibake!
[23:50] <wxl> anywho i've been watching it
[23:50] <Kamilion> EC? Shoot, what curve are they using? Hopefully not NIST P-224 :/
[23:50] <wxl> dunno didn't read that far
[23:51] <gsilvapt> wxl, have a read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail#Gmail-specific
[23:51] <wxl> at least it's not EdDSA :)
[23:52] <wxl> a few wee grammatical fixes but works gsilvapt :)
[23:52] <Kamilion> I'll clean up that wording a bit
[23:52] <wxl> there ya go
[23:52] <gsilvapt> wxl, I don't know if you saw but I've emailed all lists recently to get their feedback on the Online Conferences thing. How long should I wait to get some replies?
[23:52] <gsilvapt> Oh, okay.
[23:52] <gsilvapt> I'll check the differences after you update it
[23:52] <wxl> gsilvapt: lemme look more and i'll let you know. been busy :(
[23:53] <gsilvapt> Yea, no worries. Just wondering for how long should I wait to get some answers before giving up :D
[23:53] <wxl> well i need to analyze the email and make sure it's clear because i was originally confused by the doc if you remember correctly
[23:56] <gsilvapt> yeah, I remember that


[00:01] <akk> I'd love to see how those are created. I like 'em a lot too.
[00:32] <seidos> leonard nimoy does a voice on "transformers the movie" from 1986?
[00:32] <seidos> this might actually be cooler than i thought
[00:34] <m4gnus> Wait until you find out they cuss in the movie
[00:42] <seidos> :o
[00:56] <erichammond> I forgot to mention that when they broke into my car, they stole an Ubuntu 10.10 CD.  I made sure to include it in the police report.
[00:56] <erichammond> though the officer kept asking its real value when I said "free".
[01:15] <seidos> well, i guess that's the brightside
[02:14] <iheartubuntu> go la galaxy
[03:32] <iheartubuntu> are there any apps out there for handling business cards?
[04:12] <pleia2> aha, my problem wasn't init, it was the stop script for the firewall leaving it in a funky state after reboot
[04:12]  * pleia2 shakefist
[04:13] <pleia2> (no, I haven't been working on it all this time, I took a long break to clear my head :) )
[04:14] <akk> Whew, I'm glad for that.
[04:15] <pleia2> guess this explains why we never had a stop portion of that
[04:15]  * akk got syslogd working and is now writing a tutorial on it for her blog
[04:15] <pleia2> I thought I was fixing something by adding one :) oops
[04:15] <pleia2> oh great!
[04:44] <seidos> i saw that movie "zombieland"
[04:44] <seidos> twinkies and bill murray.  hilarious.
[04:45] <seidos> they even showed the scene from ghostbusters re: the 600 lb twinkie
[04:45] <seidos> i was pleasantly surprised
[05:56] <akk> Yikes, my little tutorial came out 160 lines, that's a bit more than I intended.
[05:56] <akk> (though compared to the 822 lines in the man page, maybe that's not so bad since a lot of it is examples)
[06:03] <seidos> hmmmm
[15:29] <seidos> hey iheartubuntu
[15:29] <iheartubuntu> whats up!
[15:29] <seidos> i was just going to tell folks on this thread about the ubuntu hour in pasadena
[15:30] <iheartubuntu> the next one is in april
[15:30] <seidos> but there was nothing @ this link:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours
[15:30] <seidos> what's the info, and i'll add it
[15:31] <iheartubuntu> everything is here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/778/detail/
[15:31] <iheartubuntu> a whopping one person attending so far (me)
[15:31] <iheartubuntu> :)
[15:31] <iheartubuntu> although you dont have to register on the site to go!
[15:32] <iheartubuntu> i need to shoot this over to the SGVLUG mailing list as well. Are you on their list?
[15:33] <seidos> all right, cool
[15:37] <seidos> iheartubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~mrandrzejak is a dead link.  do i have it right?
[15:37] <iheartubuntu> its dead. my link is https://launchpad.net/~iheartubuntu
[15:37] <seidos> got it
[15:37] <iheartubuntu> for some reason my openid is logging in as my old nick
[15:38] <iheartubuntu> have no clue or time on how to fix it
[15:38] <seidos> i'm thinking i should do an Ubuntu hour in downey now
[15:38] <seidos> i dunno, maybe it's an issue with launchpad
[15:39] <iheartubuntu> I just got word from my brother finally.
[15:40] <seidos> the one in japan?
[15:40] <iheartubuntu> He said the US embassy in Tokyo is sending out continual notices that Japan has everything under control and theres no need to worry.
[15:41] <iheartubuntu> He said he doesnt believe it and it all feels like a bad nightmare
[15:41] <seidos> i heard 10 thousand people are reported dead
[15:41] <iheartubuntu> his 102 yr old mother in law broke her hip in the earthquake
[15:41] <seidos> sounds hellish to me
[15:41] <iheartubuntu> thats what ive heard too
[15:41] <seidos> drowning sucks
[15:42] <seidos> dying sucks
[15:42] <iheartubuntu> he said one of the biggest concerns people have now is the volcanos going off
[15:42] <seidos> hmmm, there was volcanic activity in hawaii
[15:42] <seidos> i'm not sure about the geological science in japan
[15:43] <seidos> probably doesn't make sense to worry, just prepare for the shit
[15:43] <seidos> i'm sure more disasters are to come
[15:43] <seidos> not sure how california would handle an 9.0
[15:43] <seidos> probably not all that well
[15:44] <iheartubuntu> he said one problem he notices is that people are not watching the news because its truly devastating and pertinent info and updates are not getting out timely enough
[15:44] <seidos> the news is a waste of time
[15:44] <seidos> it is too sensationalistic
[15:44] <seidos> i hate to say it, but people probably could get more timely updates on twitter
[15:44] <seidos> assuming they find someone good to follow
[15:45] <seidos> perhaps there is a government agency on there one could follow
[15:45] <seidos> if not...well, i guess subscribe to the local paper's rss feeds
[15:45] <seidos> hmmm, i should do that, actually
[15:45] <seidos> well, google news has local news all the way at the bottom
[15:46] <seidos> i dunno
[15:46] <seidos> food, water, shelter
[15:46] <seidos> not sure if news addresses that
[15:46] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited
[15:47] <iheartubuntu> thanks seidos
[15:48] <iheartubuntu> i had edited another wiki with the info, but did not know this one existed
[15:48] <seidos> uh oh
[15:48] <seidos> there's more than one?
[15:48] <iheartubuntu> the main one
[15:48] <iheartubuntu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour
[15:49] <seidos> hmmm, interesting
[15:50] <seidos> hey...sao paulo, i wonder if my friend in brazil could go to that one
[15:50] <iheartubuntu> i have several people tell me they went to drug stores around los angeles and were told they needed prescriptions for iodide. this is BS by the way. its over the counter.
[15:50] <seidos> iodide?  is that the same as iodine?
[15:51] <seidos> perhaps they are rationing it now
[15:51] <seidos> for disinfection, alcohol should work fine
[15:51] <iheartubuntu> i dont know the specifics, i think iodide is a safer form of iodine?
[15:52] <akk> iodide is an ion of iodine
[15:53] <akk> like chloride in sodium chloride (the element is chlorine)
[15:53] <seidos> what's the solution for disinfecting wounds called, iodine, right?
[15:54] <akk> They used to sell iodine (I don't know if it was pure) for painting on wounds, but I wouldn't assume it was safe to ingest something like that.
[15:54] <iheartubuntu> you can get iodine naturally in foods, you dont need to drop $500 for a couple of pills on ebay
[15:54] <seidos> i'm not familiar with iodine the element, really
[15:54] <seidos> salt is typically iodinized
[15:54]  * iheartubuntu dad used to draw bunny rabbit faces on my skinned knees :)
[15:54] <akk> You can also get little bottles of some iodine compound in camping stores, for disinfecting water.
[15:54] <seidos> i have a "darth maul" bandaid on my knee right now
[15:55]  * akk still doesn't think it's worth worrying about, hasn't gone to the local camp store
[15:55] <seidos> huh, iodine for disinfecting water, that's interesting
[15:55] <seidos> i've heard of chlorine tablets, but never iodine
[15:56] <seidos> maybe people are getting iodine to try and treat a thyroid problem
[15:56] <akk> I don't think I've seen chlorine sold for camping purposes, just iodine.
[15:56] <seidos> hmmm, maybe they don't sell it
[15:56] <akk> Tastes nasty but apparently it kills Giardia.
[15:56] <seidos> or maybe what i read was a misnomer
[15:56] <seidos> when you're thirsty enough, doesn't matter what it tastes like
[15:57] <iheartubuntu> the CPM in San Fran is now at "30", yesterday it was in the 20s, and before that the teens. there is also a report that radiation has now reached Alaska but has not reached dangerous levels http://bit.ly/hdsm0X
[15:57] <seidos> not familiar with acronym "CPM"
[15:58] <seidos> greatest advice ever in a novel may be in Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy:  "don't panic"
[15:58] <akk> I remember CPM -- it was the hot OS before MS-DOS.
[15:58] <seidos> though, i suspect a lot of people don't take it literally :|
[15:59] <iheartubuntu> Chrome officially gets a new logo... http://bit.ly/hUWFjn
[15:59] <seidos> never used CPM, i've heard elders refer to it though
[15:59] <seidos> looks the same to me
[15:59] <seidos> firefox works fine for me.  i'll switch to chrome when ubuntu officially does
[16:00] <akk> I tried CP/M-86 briefly (on a PC compatible). The machine also had a Z-80 and was supposed to run real CP/M but they never released the specs for how to do that.
[16:00] <seidos> i was wasting too much time on the web anyway
[16:00] <akk> It was pretty similar to DOS, really.
[16:00] <seidos> hehe, that's funny
[16:00] <seidos> DOS
[16:00] <seidos> d-aw-s
[16:00] <seidos> not d-oh-s
[16:01] <seidos> i prefer d-oh-s
[16:01] <seidos> like the number 2 in spanish
[16:01] <seidos> chromium's logo is a bit different.  the logo still looks like a creepy HAL allusion to me
[16:07] <seidos> i know this sounds silly, but all this natural disaster stuff reminds me of "zombieland"
[16:07] <seidos> Eisenberg's character had these rules for surviving the zombie apocalypse
[16:08] <seidos> it seems like they were practical, whether there's a zombie apocalypse or not
[16:08] <seidos> like, keep your cardio up, don't be a hero, and wear your seatbelt :)
[16:09] <iheartubuntu> From RussiaToday: Damaged reactors at Fukushima out of control, catastrophic events may occur in hours - EU Energy Commissioner
[16:10] <seidos> :|
[16:10] <seidos> hmmm, mierda
[16:11] <seidos> i better look up the word hell in spanish
[16:11] <iheartubuntu> so I heard Fukushima had been storing 600,000 spent rods (40 yrs worth) and that was part of the explosions. that cant be good.
[16:11] <seidos> oh right, infierno
[16:11] <seidos> but, that presupposes there isn't a cold hell :|
[16:12] <seidos> my nuclear chemistry isn't good enough to understand why storing spent rods causes explosions
[16:12] <seidos> i guess the rods need to be cooled?
[16:12] <iheartubuntu> i believe so
[16:12] <iheartubuntu> otherwise they would catch on fire or something
[16:13] <seidos> i wonder when these reactors were built
[16:13] <iheartubuntu> i would think 10+ years ago?
[16:13] <seidos> makes me wonder what plants should be demo'ed now to build better ones
[16:13] <seidos> my guess is the 70s
[16:14] <seidos> pretty sure people aren't building nuclear anymore
[16:14] <seidos> i can't say i blame them, now that i think of it, it must be much more complex to operate
[16:14] <iheartubuntu> chinas new 5 year plan was to build 10 new nuclear plants. i wonder if they will change their 5 year plan now?
[16:16] <seidos> icy hell?  inhielo maybe
[16:16] <seidos> i don't know.  they are pretty arrogant.
[16:16] <seidos> they might go through with it just to try and prove they are better than the Japanese
[16:17] <seidos> of course, nuclear physicists probably aren't the ones making those decisions i would think
[16:17] <seidos> they aren't the ones making the decisions here, so they probably aren't the ones making the decisions in Japan, or China
[16:18] <seidos> i can't query in empathy :|
[16:18] <seidos> oh wait, yeah i can
[16:18] <seidos> it's just 3 steps instead of one
[16:19] <seidos> more people are downloading i386 ubuntu than 64bit from me
[16:20] <seidos> gotta' use the latest and greatest stuff, that's how tech works :|
[16:36] <nhaines> I have a bottle of iodine tabs for camping.
[16:37] <nhaines> It has a complementary bottle of tabs that make the water not taste like iodine.  :
[16:37] <nhaines> :)
[16:38] <seidos> :)
[16:40] <akk> I've used those -- it does help, water still doesn't taste good but it's a little better than the pure iodine taste.
[16:41] <seidos> what tastes worse, hard alcohol or water purified with iodine?
[16:43]  * nhaines enjoys hard alcohol.
[16:43] <nhaines> akk: it is better.  And a lot quicker than boiling it.
[16:44] <seidos> one can enjoy something despite it tasting like poison
[16:45] <nhaines> The sweetener of the future.  Tastes like sugar because it's made from sugar.  Alcohol or Splenda?  You decide!
[16:46] <seidos> never tried sugar alochol, which alcohol is this?
[16:46] <seidos> alcohol is serious business
[16:46] <seidos> cha ching
[16:47] <akk> rum is made from sugar, isn't it?
[16:47] <seidos> you must have a little captain in ya
[16:48] <iheartubuntu> akk yes
[16:48] <seidos> bacardi 151 does not taste sweet
[16:48] <seidos> it still tastes like poison to me
[16:48] <iheartubuntu> i saw a PBS special about alcohol making. it covered rum and tequila i think
[16:48] <seidos> oh right, it is fermented (read, rotten) sugar
[16:48] <akk> Dark rum tastes a bit sweet.
[16:49] <seidos> malibu rum is not hard alcohol
[16:49] <seidos> not that i'm advocating the consumption of hard alcohol
[16:49]  * akk doesn't like the taste of alcohol, though
[16:49] <iheartubuntu> i think even george washington made rum
[16:49] <seidos> me neither, that didn't stop me from drinking it when i was dumberer
[16:49] <seidos> poor george
[16:49] <seidos> he's dead
[16:50] <iheartubuntu> ??
[16:50] <seidos> :'(
[16:50] <iheartubuntu> seidos is on a "dead" vibe right now
[16:50]  * seidos poors some rum on the curb for General Washington
[16:50] <akk> yeah, seidos, I drank plenty of it too in my time.
[16:50]  * iheartubuntu drinks some for george washington :)
[16:50] <seidos> oh great, i didn't even know there was a "dead vibe"
[16:51] <iheartubuntu> its a new pontiac vehicle
[16:51] <seidos> i am not proud of it akk
[16:51] <iheartubuntu> i wouldnt want one though
[16:51] <seidos> it's the discontinued model
[16:51] <iheartubuntu> hahaa
[16:51] <iheartubuntu> im guessing it only came in black
[16:52] <seidos> with black or red leather interior
[16:53] <seidos> "en vino veritas" has not been verified via a double blind placebo controlled study :'(
[17:20] <iheartubuntu> my wife was watching a video of some russians in tokyo disneyland who were videotaping when the quake hit. the ground was separating and moving 6+ inches back and forth... everyone thought it was "part of the show" they were watching. only when the light posts started falling on people did they realize what was going on.
[18:49] <pleia2> jdeslip: great slides from the talk last night :) (peanut gallery: android dev talk, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/172219/JDeslippe-BALUG.pdf)
[18:56] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2: Just sent an email about an opensource thingie up there
[18:56] <DarkwingDuck> NASA is hosting
[18:56] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: yeah, invite only, and we don't have invites
[18:56] <pleia2> there is remote participation though
[18:57] <DarkwingDuck> Remote participation is free
[18:57] <DarkwingDuck> Anyway. I spammed a few emails address' with the info
[18:58] <pleia2> I wish we could actually attend in person
[18:58] <pleia2> alas
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> interesting thanks pleia2 and jdeslip
[18:58] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, but, I will be there in remote
[18:58] <pleia2> plus I suppose my boss wants me to work during the day
[18:59] <akk> I'd love to see a summary of that NASA thing afterward.
[18:59] <akk> What their policies will be.
[19:00] <iheartubuntu> im surprised i dont here more open source info come out of JPL
[19:00] <DarkwingDuck> I do know that they have good open source stuff
[19:00] <DarkwingDuck> I also know that they use open stack for data
[19:00] <pleia2> yeah, they use a lot of open source
[19:00] <pleia2> have been using redhat-y things for ages
[19:02] <akk> Someone told me a long time ago that software produced for gov't agencies like NASA had to be public domain, but that's clearly not true (and also ignores issues like classified info)
[19:02] <akk> and I've been really curious what the real rules are on open code and open data.
[19:03] <pleia2> akk: oh! you are my hero today for http://www.shallowsky.com/linux/networkSchemes.html#hotpluggable
[19:03] <DarkwingDuck> There is a difference between open source software and classified information
[19:03] <akk> Some projects choose to make their data open (very few open their source code) but a lot of people don't share either one.
[19:03] <pleia2> allow-hotplug truly is mysterious
[19:03] <akk> pleia2: It is! I've actually wondered whether it was still relevant. Is it?
[19:04] <pleia2> it is, and debian defaults to it rather than auto in most configuratios now :(
[19:04] <DarkwingDuck> open information and FOSS is a large gap
[19:06] <pleia2> and using allow-hotplug on servers is not awesome, I had a race condition in networking because udev hadn't got it's head together fast enough for allow-hotplug before other things related to networking loaded
[19:06] <DarkwingDuck> Then again... we know all about open information and open source diffrences
[19:06] <DarkwingDuck> at least in here...
[19:07] <akk> pleia2: Wow, interesting, I didn't know it made that much difference in the boot sequence.
[19:07] <akk> I've never been clear what program is interpreting those lines and what they do with them.
[19:07] <pleia2> akk: I think usually it doesn't, but on VMs they boot so fast that you can have a case where udev hasn't finished starting before other things come up
[19:08] <pleia2> I am only having this race condition with VMs
[19:09] <akk> I need to update that network schemes page with the real WPA lines and my new beefed-up python scripts.
[19:37] <DarkwingDuck> Is twitter down for anyone else?
[19:38] <akk> working here (the web UI)
[19:39] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: it's been flakey for me all morning
[19:39] <pleia2> keep getting "Something is technically wrong."
[19:39] <akk> twitter being flaky is just normal
[19:39] <pleia2> clients seem to be working fine though
[19:39] <DarkwingDuck> This is flakier then normal
[19:40] <iheartubuntu> gwibber works
[19:40] <iheartubuntu> NASA (25 seconds ago)
[19:44] <DarkwingDuck> I sent from my phone.
[22:09] <iheartubuntu> hi guest
[22:21] <jtatum> hi iheartubuntu
[22:31] <iheartubuntu> hi jtatum
[23:19] <Guest28722> i told the sales lady at bestbuy about SCaLE
[23:19] <Guest28722> arg
[23:22] <iheartubuntu> what did she say?
[23:25] <seidos> she tried to say that knott's berry farm is better
[23:25] <seidos> i mean, not specifically
[23:26] <seidos> i tried to sell SCaLE's laser tag
[23:26] <seidos> and she said Knott's has laser tag
[23:26] <seidos> then i said i have a pass to disneyland
[23:27] <seidos> but i only go when my gf goes
[23:27] <seidos> and then she said she hasn't gone in awhile
[23:27] <seidos> then i said SCaLE is better
[23:36] <iheartubuntu> so you won basically
[23:37] <seidos> only if she goes >_<
[23:38] <akk> Scale isn't that great for linux first-timers, though.
[23:41] <iheartubuntu> what would you recommend akk
[23:42] <iheartubuntu> im interested in other linux events in california
[23:42] <nhaines> How about making appropriate recommendations?
[23:42] <iheartubuntu> ive got my first taste and want more. i am effectively drunk now on ubuntu ;)
[23:43] <iheartubuntu> (and linux in general)
[23:45] <akk> iheartubuntu: In SoCal I don't know what groups would be good for a beginner -- some LUGs are but many aren't.
[23:45] <jtatum> don't burn out! :)
[23:45] <akk> Some place that has interactive installfest-type sessions to help someone get started.
[23:45] <iheartubuntu> a jam?
[23:46] <nhaines> That's not a jam.
[23:46] <akk> Ubuntu Global Jams seem very focused on specific things, like writing docs or making deb packages. Are there other types of jams?
[23:47] <iheartubuntu> nhaines did something last year at his nearby university... i wanted to attend but did not make it.
[23:47] <iheartubuntu> it was a fest of some sort if i recall
[23:47] <iheartubuntu> (not oktoberfest)
[23:47] <seidos> was it at Chapman?
[23:47] <seidos> i might have been there
[23:47] <iheartubuntu> i think so
[23:47] <pleia2> at the berkeley one I'm bringing daily build xubuntu isos so people can do livecd testing (not exactly a fun activity for non-geeks, but the instructions for testing are simple and anyone can do it)
[23:47] <iheartubuntu> he may have done more than one
[23:47] <pleia2> berkeley one == berkeley jam
[23:48] <akk> A party/picnic, like Picnix or geeknics, would be fun for first timers, or an installfest if it's run well.
[23:48] <pleia2> yeah
[23:48] <akk> (I was disappointed with the couple of SVLUG installfests I went to)
[23:49] <akk> LiveCD testing could be fun for anyone, if you let them just play rather than following a specific testing script.
[23:49] <akk> "Here, see if you can follow the UI, find games, see if stuff generally works"
[23:50] <pleia2> good point, I'll be sure to encourage people to play beyond the script
[23:50] <nhaines> akk:  what could have been better at those installfests?
[23:50] <pleia2> I think our installfest last spring at noisebridge went pretty well, except for the scheduling snafu (same day as the Carnaval in the Mission, apparently the biggest festival of the year, oops)
[23:51] <pleia2> I mean, it can be difficult to avoid festivals in the spring in san francisco, but that mistake was pretty egregious
[23:52] <iheartubuntu> when is the generally accepted time to post Ubuntu Hour info the mailing list? one week or two weeks in advance?
[23:52] <iheartubuntu> or a month and then again a week before?
[23:53] <pleia2> the SF ones are monthly and I tend to post about a week before
[23:53] <iheartubuntu> ok
[23:53] <pleia2> so I don't have a monthly reminder, everyone knows it's monthly, I just remind them a week before :)
[23:53] <iheartubuntu> same for the forum UH page too i would assume
[23:53] <pleia2> you can update the UH page whenever you want
[23:53] <pleia2> I usually update the forums at the same time as I make the announcement
[23:53] <pleia2> on the mailing list
[23:53] <iheartubuntu> sounds good ty
[23:54] <pleia2> maybe I'll add these guidelines to our Hour page :)
[23:54] <pleia2> they will help me remember too
[23:54] <iheartubuntu> im thinking there might be many on the mailing list who arent active in IRC or forums so for a first time event, a month notice and then again a week before might be helpful.
[23:54] <pleia2> nothing wrong with that
[23:55] <iheartubuntu> im trying to sign up to the local LUG mailing list as well and post there
[23:56] <pleia2> fwiw I asked permission of the local lugs before posting
[23:57] <pleia2> I've never had a problem personally, but I know some locos have gotten off on a bad foot with local lugs for posting about their events on lug lists for whatever reason
[23:59] <nhaines> I posted and then talked to the OCLUG president later about being conscious of spamming.  He said that was silly and anything to promote Linux was great.
[23:59] <nhaines> But I felt better having talked to him about it.


[12:28] <gary_poster> bac benji danilos (gmb is not here), call in 2
[12:28] <danilos> k
[12:31] <bac> sorry i was late
[12:52] <bac> hey gary_poster, can i ask you about https://code.launchpad.net/~nigelbabu/launchpad/ubuntu-font-787798/+merge/73793 , which is nigel's solution to the google ubuntu font but you filed
[12:52] <gary_poster> bac, sure
[12:52] <bac> is that reference to a non-https resource going to get us into trouble like the maps did?
[12:53] <bac> we cannot use yahoo's CDN for the same reason
[12:53] <gary_poster> bac, probably.
[12:53] <bac> gary_poster: did you have another solution in mind?
[12:53] <gary_poster> bac, https://fonts.googleapis.com/css?family=Ubuntu ?  Seems to work
[12:54] <bac> doh
[14:08] <benji> I'm confused.  Maybe someone can help me: I want to QA bug 810113, fixed in revision 13843 (as seen at https://devpad.canonical.com/~lpqateam/qa_reports/deployment-stable.html) but when I visit a URL on qastaging (that is at r13846 according to the footer at https://qastaging.launchpad.net/) which should not error out (https://api.qastaging.launchpad.net/1.0/checkbox?ws.op=1&ws.op=2) I still see an error.
[14:08] <_mup_> Bug #810113: TypeError constructing page id: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'list' objects <oops> <qa-needstesting> <Launchpad itself:Fix Committed by benji> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/810113 >
[14:22] <benji> danilos: if you have a second, I'd like your opinion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/742662; I've come to the conclusion that the offending strings should be rejected at import time, but I want to be sure I'm not missing anything.
[14:22] <_mup_> Bug #742662: Mixed new line markers causing OOPS while importing translations <oops> <rosetta-imports> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by benji> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/742662 >
[14:30] <danilos> benji, sure, looking
[14:30] <benji> k
[14:33] <danilos> benji, yeah, you should just reject them with an error message (there's already similar stuff we do for other badly formatted messages)
[14:33] <benji> danilos: cool; thanks for looking
[14:37] <danilos> benji, lib/lp/translations/model/pofile.py seems to have code that was supposed to catch this already, not sure why it didn't :)
[14:37] <benji> interesting, I'll check that out
[14:38] <benji> danilos: in importFromQueue?
[14:38] <danilos> benji, yep
[14:41]  * danilos -> out, enjoy the weekend folks
[14:49] <gary_poster> bac, may I have a pre-mp-review?  I don't love how the fact that I am using print, but I don't see what else to do.  This is to get diagnostics for the seemingly spurious and intermittent error we are getting in buildbot.  I plan to submit this as a testfix. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/680615/
[14:50]  * bac looks
[14:50] <gary_poster> bac, this is an example of what it produces, fwiw: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/680617/
[14:51] <gary_poster> that may not even be sufficient :-/
[14:51] <gary_poster> that bzr error in stdout does not give a traceback
[14:52] <gary_poster> (from the forked server, which is what we need)
[14:52] <gary_poster> at least it gives the command it used
[14:52] <gary_poster> that might be sufficient to dupe
[14:53] <bac> gary_poster: it looks ok to me if you're happy with it.  desparate times...
[14:53] <gary_poster> ok bac, thanks
[15:42]  * bac <- food
[17:18] <gary_poster> I'm going to go get some food, and I'll be taking care of our baby daughter for a bit of a long lunch.  I should be back around 3:00,  I'll hope to talk to bac around 3:15 or 3:30, and benji soon after
[17:18] <gary_poster> biab
[17:18] <benji> sounds good
[19:04] <bac> gary_poster: you still aiming for 3:15?
[19:04] <gary_poster> yeah bac.  OK for you?  Can adjust
[19:04] <bac> gary_poster: then is good.  now is good.
[19:05] <gary_poster> ok cool.  3:15 it is
[19:05] <bac> cool
[19:16] <bac> gary_poster: now?
[19:16] <gary_poster> y
[20:04] <gary_poster> benji, ready whenever you are.  No rush, but gimme a call when you want.
[20:04] <benji> gary_poster: I'm ready nowl calling.
[20:14] <benji> gary_poster: https://api.qastaging.launchpad.net/1.0/checkbox?ws.op=1&ws.op=2
[20:14] <benji> gary_poster: https://devpad.canonical.com/~lpqateam/qa_reports/deployment-stable.html
[20:22] <gary_poster> https://dev.launchpad.net/Foundations/Webservice/ClientSidePerformance?highlight=%28httplib2%29
[20:31] <gary_poster> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops/?oopsid=OOPS-2071QASTAGING11


[07:22] <steev> Chipaca: last i knew, because arm devices tend to be lower... power, and take longer, they don't tend to extend them to users
[08:06] <lilstevie> steev: I think it is more to do with the security side of things, they don't have the same virtualization thing going on that the x86 and x86_64 machines do
[08:06] <lilstevie> or a combination
[08:07] <steev> lilstevie: could be a combination, i just know i was told there wasn't enough hardware to support giving users access to it (wouldn't get stuff built in time)
[08:07] <steev> maybe with all these quadcore machines coming down the pipe (and armv8 (drool)) that will change
[08:07] <lilstevie> yeah
[08:08] <lilstevie> It is just annoying that we can't build a package and upload it to a PPA either
[08:29] <ppisati> ndec: with latest tilt-tracking (44fef05d56961d0f34178e3c7ca4e362948e3107), during boot i get a lot of
[08:29] <ppisati> ndec: wl1271_sdio mmc1:0001:2: sdio read failed (-110)
[08:29] <ndec> ppisati: is it 3.4 or 3.5?
[08:29] <ppisati> ndec: wl12xx: ERROR command complete timeout
[08:29] <ppisati> ndec: 3.4
[08:29] <ppisati> ndec: tilt is still on 3.4 if i'm not mistaken
[08:30] <ndec> well, i am asking because latest tilt-tracking is on 3.5
[08:30] <ndec> and it's probably not in a good shape atm.
[08:30] <ppisati> ndec: really? couldn't find the 3.5 part
[08:30] <ppisati> ndec: anyway, still 3.4 here
[08:30] <ppisati> ndec: let me paste the entire boot logs
[08:31] <ndec> ppisati: well, we don't use tracking atm, but tilt-3.4.
[08:31] <ndec> ok. you're right, it is still 3.4.
[08:34] <ppisati> ndec: http://people.canonical.com/~ppisati/3.4.0-202-wifi/
[08:34] <ppisati> ndec: dmesg and config
[08:34] <ppisati> ndec: it's just an annoyance by now since it resets later in the boot process
[08:34] <ppisati> ndec: and it seems to work (get the ip via dhcp and so on)
[08:34] <ndec> ppisati: well, not sure if i can help atm. can you ping andy, or send an email to linaro-dev?
[08:35] <ppisati> ndec: i'll do, just wanted to check out if it was a known issue
[08:35]  * ndec checks quickly
[08:35] <ndec> ppisati: if you want a 3.4, you should use tilt-3.4 branch instead. it is supposed to be better branch.
[08:36] <ndec> -tracking will get some support for 3.5 later.
[08:36] <ppisati> ndec: i see
[08:36] <ppisati> ndec: i'll check tilt-3.4 then
[10:23] <ogra_> ppisati, your kernel looks good, i get a lot of wireless errors in dmesg though (they were there before but less noisy)
[10:24] <ogra_> (ah, the same errors you described above)
[10:27] <ppisati> ogra_: yeah
[10:28] <ppisati> ogra_: working on that and "INFO: task kinteractiveup:55 blocked for more than 120 seconds." crap
[10:30] <ogra_> i cant really notice any issues that causes
[10:30] <ogra_> i have it too though
[10:32] <ppisati> ogra_: it's harmless but still an annoyance
[10:32] <ogra_> yup, the wlan is more intresting
[10:32] <ppisati> ogra_: hopefully i'll have both them fixed for this afternoon and then i'll pull request
[10:32] <ppisati> ogra_: thanks for testing
[10:32] <ogra_> so thats the latest TILT ?
[10:32] <ppisati> yep
[10:32] <ppisati> bleeding edge
[10:33] <ogra_> do we know if the audio device names will stay like that ?
[10:33] <ogra_> they changed again vs precise so i need to update alsa
[10:33] <ogra_> and wouldnt like to do that twice
[10:33]  * ogra_ wonders why one cant just stay with one name)
[10:34] <ppisati> ogra_: you better ask TI about the name changes
[10:34] <ppisati> ogra_: but if needed i can revert the modification
[10:34] <ogra_> PandaBoardES now ... was PandaBoard and the version before it was just Panda
[10:35] <ogra_> well, it would be cool if upstream could just decide on a proper and persistant name :P
[10:36] <ppisati> persistance is the past, we are heading for the future! :)
[10:36] <ogra_> haha
[10:36]  * ppisati reminds of a Gamma Ray song/album
[10:36] <ppisati> and with that said, i'm out for laundry + lunch
[10:36] <ppisati> back later
[10:36] <ogra_> have fun
[10:39]  * ogra_ just notices that HDMI sound works OOTB
[10:39] <ogra_> nice !
[12:06] <janimo> lilstevie, do you know if the tf101 supports USB console over it's dock cable?
[12:11] <lilstevie> janimo: look at the acm usb gadget
[12:11] <lilstevie> requires a bit of fiddling to get working
[12:11] <janimo> lilstevie, thanks. should it work with kernel boot messages too?
[12:12] <lilstevie> once the gadget driver has initialized
[12:13] <lilstevie> before that no
[12:13] <lilstevie> I have no idea what or even if there is a UART pinout on the connector
[12:13] <lilstevie> in probing I cannot find one
[12:14] <janimo> lilstevie, do you know the easiest way to get kernel boot messages when the screen/fbdev are not working?
[12:14] <janimo> as is the case with 2.6.39
[12:16] <lilstevie> ramconsole
[14:59]  * ogra_ would so love to know why the ac100 kernel explodes in his face with the recent images
[15:03] <hrw> ogra_: kernel itself before initramfs?
[15:09] <ppisati> ndec: what's BCMDHD?
[15:22] <ogra_> hrw, pretty hard to say, no serial ... i end up with an oops and it looks like the kernel couldt use the initrd ...
[15:22] <ogra_> *couldnt
[15:24] <hrw> ogra_: use PRINTK_DELAY option in kernel?
[15:24] <ogra_> that would mean i need to recompile ...
[15:24] <ogra_> nah, thanks
[15:38] <ppisati> ogra_: i've a new kernel that fixes wifi sdio and interactive governor log spam
[15:38] <ppisati> ogra_: willing to give it a test?
[15:38] <ogra_> sure !
[15:40] <ppisati> ogra_: http://people.canonical.com/~ppisati/linux-image-3.4.0-203-omap4_3.4.0-203.8_armhf.deb
[15:40] <ppisati> ogra_: enjoy
[15:54] <ogra_> ppisati, so i see the wlan device in dmesg, but network-manager doesnt, something is still missing it seems
[15:54] <ogra_> beyond that, the oopses are gone
[15:57] <ogra_> hmm, disabling wlan in NM and re-renabling it fixes it ... odd ...
[15:57]  * ogra_ tries a reboot, lets see, probably just a hiccup
[15:58] <GrueMaster> Disabling/reenabling probably reset NM's config.  I've seen that before in Natty iirc.
[15:58] <ogra_> well, lets see i boot with unplugged wired now ...
[15:59]  * ogra_ would love to know what the system does so long in the initrd
[15:59] <ogra_> seems to take minutes until it moves on
[16:01] <ogra_> k, works
[16:01]  * ogra_ puts that one in the hiccup category
[16:04] <ppisati> good
[16:13] <angs> I am searching the package for ralink rt2870 chipset on http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for beagleboard-xm (ubuntu-desktop 12.04) but it does not show any output for "rt2870" or "rt2800" keywords. am I checking it on the wrong webpage?
[16:14] <GrueMaster> angs: Just check /boot/config-<kernel version>.
[16:14] <GrueMaster> That will tell you if it is built or not.
[16:15] <ogra_> thats shipped in teh kernel as rt2x00.ko
[16:18] <ogra_> and its firmware comes as /lib/firmware/rt2870.bin in the linux-firmware package
[16:18] <ogra_> both should be installed by default
[16:21] <angs> I can see the rt2870.bin in the directory that you said. but the led of the usb dongle does not work, also iwconfig, ifconfig -a does not show the wireless interface. however, I can see the usb stick on lsusb
[16:21] <angs> does the stick suppose to work as I plug it to the board?
[16:22] <ogra_> do you apply enough power to the board ? USBV wlan adapters draw a lot
[16:23] <angs> I use 5V, 2.5A power supply
[16:23] <angs> I plugged the usb stick on my laptop, it does not work
[16:25] <GrueMaster> If it doesn't work on your laptop either, that could indicate a bad dongle.
[16:27] <angs> most probably
[16:27] <ogra_> either that or it needs a special initialization ...
[16:28] <ogra_> i had such dongles in the past, they had a mini HDD on them that carries the windows driver and you needed to tweak the device in sysfs to make it switch from HDD mode into wlan
[16:29] <ogra_> anyway ...
[16:30]  * ogra_ is off to mow the lawn
[16:33] <angs> thank you, I saw some threads on google that this d-link product has some problem, I will try to find a solution
[19:48] <janrinze2> lilstevie: which 3.x kernel do you recommend for the tf101?
[19:50]  * janrinze2 runs ubuntu and pidgin on a tf101


[02:54] <Samus_Aran> could someone deal with b0zos sending random queries to people in #Ubuntu ?
[02:55] <bazhang> Samus_Aran, he appears to be offline now, thanks for the heads up
[02:56] <Samus_Aran> they're disconnected and reconnected a few times, spamming the moment they rejoin
[02:56] <Samus_Aran> *they've
[04:20] <elky> if it's the same nick each time, just redirect 'em here
[04:26] <bazhang> yachtmasta ban dodging in -ot again
[07:37] <elky> again? argh
[12:17]  * MenZa waves.
[15:08] <Seeker`> @bansearch DrMelon
[15:08] <Seeker`> @login
[15:13] <jussi01> Seeker`: remember to do bansearch's in pm, as not to expose ip's needlessly.
[15:13] <Seeker`> sorry sir
[15:13] <Seeker`> :D
[15:14] <jussi01> lol
[17:51] <MenZa> !mutt
[17:51] <MenZa> !-mutt
[17:51] <MenZa> hmm
[17:51] <MenZa> noexist!
[17:51] <Seeker`> !info mutt
[17:51] <MenZa> I'm just wondering whether mutt requires its own factoid
[17:51] <MenZa> !mail
[17:51] <MenZa> o_o
[17:51] <MenZa> !-mail
[17:52] <MenZa> Suggestion: Make !mail list a number of e-mail clients, put mailing lists into !lists and alias mailinglists, ml to !lists
[17:58] <mneptok> what about MTAs?
[17:58] <MenZa> MTAs?
[17:58] <MenZa> ah
[17:58] <mneptok> when i think "e-mail" my first thought is Postfix and not Thunderbird
[17:58] <MenZa> !mail-#ubuntu-server

[17:59] <MenZa> :p
[17:59] <mneptok>  /kb MenZa

[17:59] <MenZa> /nou mneptok
[17:59] <mneptok> >:P
[17:59] <MenZa> :D
[17:59] <MenZa> <3
[18:00] <jussi01> now now kids
[18:00] <MenZa> :D
[21:31] <bazhang> Guest17471, how may we help you
[21:31] <Guest17471> I was told to come here to ask my question
[21:32] <Guest17471> Is my idea here a bug or a real Idea http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/23211/
[21:33] <Guest17471> Oh ya
[21:33] <Guest17471> Also the other day I had someone try and send child pornography to me
[21:33] <Guest17471> in the ubuntu chat
[21:34] <Guest17471> I came home from work and it was on my screen
[21:34] <bazhang> that has been taken care of, bot attack
[21:34] <Guest17471> Ok good
[21:34] <Guest17471> needless to say my wife wasnt pleased when seeing that
[21:35] <bazhang> thanks for stopping by and informing us of the brainstorm idea
[21:35] <Guest17471> no problem I just dont know if its a bug or an actual idea
[21:36] <bazhang> generally you don't need to come here to work that out, the brainstorm folks will do that
[21:37] <Guest17471> Alright
[21:37] <Guest17471> ty
[21:37] <bazhang> in future you may wish to /ignore *!*@* DCC CTCP to protect against the bot attacks
[21:37] <bazhang> whoops
[21:37] <bazhang> Bacta is unbanned in #ubuntu-offtopic ?


[03:40] <rick_h__> heh https://plus.google.com/u/0/105937956733067826091/posts/UJDv3YTEfgf
[03:41] <snap-l> Yeah, that was a bit strange
[03:41] <rick_h__> you know, at OLF i tried to kind of meet/chat with her and she came across just like that post and skewed how I thought
[03:42] <rick_h__> guess it wasn't just a bad day
[03:42] <snap-l> No, I think she burned out to the point that she wants nothing to do with us freetards
[03:43] <snap-l> The Roku LT showed up last night
[03:44] <rick_h__> jcastro_: for you http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-ends-2012-14-more-new-1900mhz-hspa-markets
[03:44] <snap-l> JoDee's using it to watch Downton Abbey
[03:44] <rick_h__> cool, set up ok then?
[03:44] <snap-l> $40 is not bad
[03:44] <snap-l> Yeah, it was cake
[03:44] <rick_h__> yea, definitely not
[03:44] <rick_h__> paid twice that for mine
[03:44] <rick_h__> well, one of mine
[03:44] <snap-l> I love how some of the accounts are set up with a code
[03:44] <snap-l> on the computer
[03:44] <rick_h__> yea
[03:44] <snap-l> rather than have to type some 12 cylinder password
[03:44] <rick_h__> basically oauth'ing the box lol
[03:45] <snap-l> Heh
[03:46] <snap-l> Think it's awesome there's a Nuclear Blast and Metal Injection channel too
[03:46] <snap-l> sad that OMC doesn't show up, though
[03:47] <rick_h__> lmao https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/281916376925495296
[03:48] <snap-l> heh
[03:49] <rick_h__> sorry, been afk at the woodworking holiday meet up so catching up :)
[04:24] <jrwren_> so who was mackenzie morgan in the community?
[04:25] <rick_h__> she was big in the ubuntu women/loco stuff for a while
[04:25] <jrwren_> i wonder if she left because of harassment or something.
[12:58] <rick_h_> morning
[13:01] <brousch> yes
[13:01] <brousch> The more I use django the more I like it
[13:01] <rick_h_> ugh
[13:01] <rick_h_> :P
[13:02] <rick_h_> ok, I saw the headlines that people were posting this xkcd to HN and such, now I see why.  Never has.
[13:46] <jrwren_> i don't do reddit either
[14:14] <snap-l> Where do you get your news?
[14:14] <rick_h_> what news?
[14:15] <jrwren_> what good is the news?
[14:15] <jrwren_> it is just depressing.
[14:15] <jjesse> is it depressing the world didn't end
[14:15] <jrwren_> no, i'm happy about that part.
[14:16] <rick_h_> heh, yea would have sucked to just get my new woodworking toy and then the world ends
[14:16] <rick_h_> *oh come on! you've got to be kidding me!*
[14:21] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, no kidding
[14:21] <snap-l> http://www.packtpub.com/news/stock-your-reader-christmas
[14:57] <ColonelPanic001> the day isn't over yet.
[14:58] <ColonelPanic001> The End may not be an early riser
[14:58] <jrwren_> in what time zone were they?
[15:01] <rick_h_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Maya_civilization_location_map-blank.svg central?
[15:01] <brousch> It is snowing now. THE IS NIGH
[15:01] <brousch> end
[15:02] <rick_h_> http://www.travel.com.hk/region/timezone.htm close
[16:07] <jrwren_> gah, comcast crapping on itself here.
[16:07] <jrwren_> must not like the snow and strong winds
[16:07] <jrwren_> jcastro_ is nearby. how is your comcast?
[16:07] <jcastro_> awesome
[16:07] <jcastro_> I have business class
[16:08] <jrwren_> wouldn't matter if it was the cable lines screwy
[19:36] <jrwren> before /dev/mapper/datavg-nomirror  3.1T  2.7T  199G  94% /nomirror
[19:36] <jrwren> after /dev/mapper/datavg-nomirror  3.7T  2.7T  851G  77% /nomirror
[20:47] <jcastro_> hmmm
[20:47] <jcastro_> snow is likely why ups is running late today
[20:47]  * jcastro_ needs a new video card delivered today
[20:49] <jcastro_> rick_h_: was it you who recommended this makita 18v stuff?
[20:49] <jcastro_> I just got the hand blower, it's basically awesome
[21:24] <jrwren> what kind of video card?
[21:41] <rick_h_> jcastro_: yea, I like mine, though did just have to get a new battery for one of mine
[21:47] <snap-l> My dad is a huge fan of the Dewalt contractor series
[21:48] <snap-l> He has a ton of their stuff that he bought on ebay
[21:50] <jcastro_> I should buy more things on ebay instead of used all the time
[21:51] <snap-l> Be careful, though
[21:52] <snap-l> You can get into some trouble in a hurry
[22:10] <rick_h_> yea, dewalt has gone downhill these days
[22:11] <rick_h_> but a lot depends on what you're getting.
[22:11] <rick_h_> dewalt palm router > *, bosch jigsaw > *


[07:09] <snookie_> I'm trying to checkout a working ubuntu-mobile repository, can anyone help me out?
[07:10] <snookie_> just looking for the correct bzr url
[07:10] <snookie_> Just a little new to this
[11:54] <theseinfeld> Howdy ho...
[11:54] <theseinfeld> Any updates from the UDS and the lpia support?
[12:25] <theseinfeld> lool ?
[12:26] <theseinfeld> ogra ? Now that the UDS is over, is Ubuntu still going to support the lpia in the architectures or we get back to only i386?
[13:47] <theseinfeld> death space here...
[14:44] <XsnicksX> hello
[14:44] <XsnicksX> i need some helpplease
[14:45] <XsnicksX> i recently bought an internet tablet nokia n810
[14:45] <XsnicksX> i would like to install ubuntu mobile on it
[14:46] <XsnicksX> is it possible on this nokia?
[20:10] <Hobbsee> so, are there any restricted codecs that we *don't* want on armel?
[21:03] <thebishop> hello, does the mobile team manager post here?


[03:04] <rwlove> is there a way to install older mythtv packages from the ppa?
[03:05] <rwlove> I can't seem to find last month's build, for example
[23:36] <qwebirc2693> Unable to enable WinTV-HVR-2200, MythBuntu can not detect card.
[23:37] <qwebirc2693> Is that card supported?


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[11:18] <redir> alexisb: https://github.com/juju/juju/wiki/Debugging-Races
[11:21] <mup> Bug #1647675 opened: Tab completion doesn't work with Juju 2.0 <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1647675>
[13:09] <mup> Bug #1647675 changed: Tab completion doesn't work with Juju 2.0 <juju:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1647675>
[13:24] <thumper> perrito666:  https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6659
[13:39] <voidspace> macgreagoir: ping
[13:40] <voidspace> jam: https://pastebin.canonical.com/172627/
[13:46] <voidspace> macgreagoir: please move your  network-get document to a google doc so I can review it!
[13:46] <voidspace> macgreagoir: hard to review a pastebin
[13:47] <voidspace> macgreagoir: also could you add  a header explaining the intent of the doc
[13:49] <voidspace> macgreagoir: it's not clear to me if this a description of the way things are or the way things should be (it looks like it's doing both- I think!)
[14:11] <macgreagoir> voidspace: There's a google doc linked to the card as an external link already. As per note, pastebin link is just because I find it easier to read, and I though others might too.
[14:13] <macgreagoir> voidspace: I hope it describes the way things are now, and begins to note some possible improvements.
[14:29] <voidspace> macgreagoir: ah! I missed that, thanks.
[14:29] <macgreagoir> nw, sorry it wasn't clearer!
[16:00] <voidspace> macgreagoir: a few comments on the google doc
[16:00] <voidspace> macgreagoir: I'm not trying to be arsey, I'm just struggling to understand the purpose of this doc
[16:00] <macgreagoir> Cheers
[16:01] <voidspace> macgreagoir: so feel free to be as blunt as you want in replies to my comments :-)
[16:01] <macgreagoir> I will apply all my usual charm!
[16:23] <voidspace> macgreagoir: I sat down with rick_h and we read through it together
[16:23] <voidspace> macgreagoir: I understand the purpose of the document now :-)
[16:24] <macgreagoir> voidspace: Cheers, I see your comments there. I'll take a look and respond/update.
[16:25] <rick_h> macgreagoir: can we get more real examples of "command issued, output received" ? something more like if you were to build help/spec for the feature as it works currently?
[16:25] <rick_h> macgreagoir: very helpful with the notes and comments being analyzed
[16:25] <macgreagoir> rick_h: Will do
[17:29] <mgz> jam: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6663