[00:09] <rhpot1991> gig you didn't enable transcoding on the backend
[00:09] <rhpot1991> there is a checkbox when you run the setup for the backend to allow it to transcode
[00:19] <LotharTBL> rhpot1991 all is working. Next task is installing the remote to work
[00:20] <rhpot1991> excelent
[00:21] <LotharTBL> also when I view the weather from mythtv its fine, but in mythweb it hasn't updated?
[00:21] <rhpot1991> yep
[00:21] <rhpot1991> I have seen some people saying you can hack it up a little in there and get it work, but is it really worth it?
[00:21] <LotharTBL> any way to force an update? or is it cron driven?
[00:21] <rhpot1991> I mean its just as easy to go to weather.com
[00:21] <rhpot1991> it should update when you access it I think
[00:22] <LotharTBL> well finally got it running and want to make a big splash with the wifey
[00:22] <rhpot1991> it seems sometimes the feed is out dated
[00:22] <rhpot1991> search around some, I saw people saying they got radar working in mythweb
[00:22] <LotharTBL> cool cool
[00:22] <rhpot1991> I'd poke at it but I have other things that are more important to me (netflix and ipod exports)
[00:22] <LotharTBL> lol
[00:22] <rhpot1991> I gotta run and do some things, I'll be around later
[00:23] <LotharTBL> ok I'll see what I can do
[00:25] <LotharTBL> s/mythweb/modules/weather/init.php
[00:25] <LotharTBL> damn it lol
[00:25] <LotharTBL> ok install question. I am currently running off of the live CD. I would like to install mythbuntu as a dual boot onto a machine we have that currently is running windows. Can it install that way?
[00:26] <LotharTBL> I expect I will see a lot of speed increase as its Slooooooooooooow off the CD
[00:28] <directhex> remember when dual booting nothing will record if it's not booted into the right os
[00:37] <nettow0822> hey tgm4883
[00:39] <nettow0822> 0x10.....is this an integer...if so does it =4 or 5?
[00:39] <nettow0822> if not could you explain it?
[00:40] <tgm4883> well IIRC thats hex
[00:40] <tgm4883> so it could be an integer
[00:42] <tgm4883> in decimal it is 16
[00:44] <nettow0822> well back to this lirc issue.....the parameter is mask=0x10.....it set the channel id to 5
[00:46] <MythbuntuGuest39> How can I make mythweb give me links to download shows like this http://jensdvr/mythweb/pl/stream/1042/1197388800 and not like this myth://<IP_ADDRESS>:6543/1069_20071122120000.nuv?
[00:46] <nettow0822> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/2654/     look at this
[01:38] <MythbuntuGuest39> How can I make mythweb give me links to download shows like this http://jensdvr/mythweb/pl/stream/1042/1197388800 and not like this myth://<IP_ADDRESS>:6543/1069_20071122120000.nuv?
[01:54] <MythbuntuGuest97> hi all - I just got my install running, but remote frontend can't connect.  the frontend on the frontend/backend machine will only connect with the loopback address, not the external IP. in backend configuration, i've got the external IP specified in the "hostname" field.  any ideas?
[03:56] <savageone> howdie folks
[03:56] <savageone> anyone here messed with linuxmce?
[04:02] <tgm4883_laptop> savageone, a little
[04:02] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, evening
[04:03] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, hi
[04:04] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, did you get your list done?
[04:05] <tgm4883_laptop> almost, i'm looking at some projectors right now
[04:05] <foxbuntu> cool
[04:06] <savageone> well I'm using it now
[04:06] <foxbuntu> savageone, hows it working for you?
[04:06] <savageone> I'm messing with myhtbundu also
[04:06] <savageone> it's alright
[04:06] <savageone> it's got a lot of nice features but there's a lot of stuff that'[s not quite there yet
[04:06] <savageone> it's coming along
[04:07] <foxbuntu> savageone, thats about what I have heard about it
[04:07] <savageone> they're focusing a lot on the home automation stuff it seems
[04:07] <foxbuntu> savageone, yes...we are focused on MythTV and Ubuntu
[04:07] <savageone> I just wish both projects had more emphasis on media collection, like ripping dvds reliably and copying downloaded media over etc
[04:07] <savageone> it's possible on both but it's not always really user friendly
[04:07] <savageone> more like an afterthoght
[04:07] <savageone> thought hehe
[04:08] <savageone> I'm installing mythtv abd ubuntu on the same bix
[04:08] <savageone> box
[04:08] <savageone> sort of testing both
[04:08] <tgm4883_laptop> imho, linuxmce should focus on the home automation stuff, and use working mythtv rather than doing it all themselves
[04:08] <foxbuntu> savageone, well...not that anyone wouldn't like it make it better...but it could draw attention from the wrong places
[04:08] <savageone> I'm upgrading from an old knoppmyth box
[04:09] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, aparently linuxmce 0710 has fixed a lot of stuff
[04:09] <savageone> it does use mythtv
[04:09] <tgm4883_laptop> should be released soon
[04:09] <savageone> I'm going to be installing the 2 on a seperate drive so I can switch between them easily
[04:10] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, you considering that route then over mr house?
[04:10] <tgm4883_laptop> savageone, right, but what im saying is that instead of focusing development time on mythtv, they could focuse that on the other stuff
[04:10] <savageone> oh I agree
[04:10] <savageone> I honestly don't know what happens most in terms of their development efforts
[04:10] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, im thinking about it, the thing is that the equipment should be able to use either
[04:10] <savageone> I hang out in the chat room but it's not like I'm involved or anything hehe
[04:11] <tgm4883_laptop> savageone, it seems that some things are a little unorganized
[04:11] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, correct...in the end I don't think it matter much either way
[04:11] <tgm4883_laptop> i agree
[04:11] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, its all about how user friendly each is and how easily to manage they are
[04:11] <tgm4883_laptop> yes, both will do what i want
[04:12] <savageone> I'm trying to find a commercially viable platform honestly
[04:12] <tgm4883_laptop> savageone, for what?
[04:12]  * foxbuntu smiles
[04:12] <savageone> and plutohome and the whole fiire thing, with the gyration remotes and all that craziness looks awesome
[04:12] <savageone> and then there's all these youtube videos
[04:12] <savageone> makes it look amazing
[04:12] <tgm4883_laptop> very true
[04:12] <savageone> but honestly, it's just hard to turn it into something I can sell to a customer on ym hardware
[04:13] <foxbuntu> savageone, where are you located?
[04:13] <tgm4883_laptop> savageone, it would be extremely difficult to do that for home automation
[04:13] <tgm4883_laptop> imho
[04:13] <savageone> I sell hardware and I'm in an area where people want this tpye of technology but it's just hard to make happen on that sort of scale
[04:13] <savageone> I'm in CT
[04:13] <foxbuntu> savageone, cool
[04:13] <savageone> the home automation stuff is pretty straight forward honestly
[04:13] <savageone> as long as you work with the hardware they recommend, which is a decent list of stuff
[04:13] <foxbuntu> savageone, I actually am dedicating a business to MythTV and Home Automation
[04:14] <savageone> are ya naow
[04:14] <savageone> we should speak
[04:14] <foxbuntu> I am always looking for good business partners and opertunities
[04:14] <foxbuntu> I also happen to be a dev for this project
[04:15] <savageone> fantastic
[04:15] <savageone> well in my world it's a little late and approximately bedtime
[04:16] <savageone> but if you'll email me some contact information, I'd like to talk to you and see what you've got happenign software wise and hardware wise and see if it's something that'll help me accomplish my goals
[04:16] <foxbuntu> savageone, I am always around...if you want to talk more..PM me sometime
[04:16] <savageone> you'll always in the channel alrighty
[04:16] <savageone> what software setup are you using
[04:16] <savageone> mythbuntu?
[04:16] <foxbuntu> yes
[04:16] <savageone> or are you installing ubuntu and then installing mythtv
[04:16] <foxbuntu> with a few customizations
[04:16] <savageone> or is it sort of the same thing
[04:17] <foxbuntu> savageone, same thing
[04:17] <savageone> are you able to license legally in the us for dvd playback?
[04:17] <savageone> and ripping and all that
[04:17] <foxbuntu> savageone, I am working that over with my legal advisor
[04:17] <foxbuntu> its a sticky subject, but working it out
[04:17] <savageone> I need my cusotmers to be able to have the choice of ripping a dvd as an iso if they want the original quality, or ripping to divx or xvid to have a nice 700mb movie that people are into these days
[04:18] <tgm4883_laptop> you might have trouble ripping to an iso
[04:18] <savageone> it doesn't have to be an iso, but like a direct rip
[04:18] <tgm4883_laptop> because of the dmca
[04:18] <tgm4883_laptop> any ripping
[04:18] <savageone> even if it rips it to a folder and plays the vobs or whatever
[04:18] <savageone> I was able to w/ knoppmyth
[04:18] <savageone> I believe all I had to do was install decss
[04:18] <tgm4883_laptop> savageone, i meant legally
[04:19] <foxbuntu> savageone, ripping is a sore topic on the legal side
[04:19] <savageone> well yeah
[04:19] <savageone> you're supposed to be able to make one archival backup of any media you have
[04:19] <savageone> that doesn't make ripping a blockbuster movie is legal
[04:19] <foxbuntu> savageone, they changed the legal standing on that
[04:20] <savageone> but it does mean that since there is one legitimate legal use for it, it should legal to have it a feature on a device
[04:20] <foxbuntu> its not legal to even rip a DVD you legally own
[04:20] <savageone> that's fucking ridiculous
[04:20] <tgm4883_laptop> cause of the dmca
[04:20] <savageone> the whole situaiton makes me angry
[04:20] <foxbuntu> savageone, your telling me
[04:20] <tgm4883_laptop> it's legal to backup the disk, but not legal to rip it, so if you can somehow make a direct copy, then I think your ok
[04:20] <foxbuntu> :)
[04:21] <savageone> if I own the damned movie I should be able to chose how I want it stored
[04:21] <savageone> all I know is the software is there to do it
[04:21] <savageone> it'd be nice if the features were there
[04:21] <savageone> and in the interest of true freedom
[04:21] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, Im not sure, but I think they said thats a no no too now
[04:21] <savageone> it just came up and said "hey this feature might not be legal in your country" sort of warning and you click the "who gives a shit" button and you're all set
[04:21] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, I think it's all covered under fair use
[04:22] <tgm4883_laptop> you can make the backup, but you can't rip out the encryption
[04:22] <foxbuntu> savageone, yeah...but thats how several other programs got crushed in the market
[04:22] <tgm4883_laptop> and since there is no burner available that will burn the encryption
[04:22] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, I get what you are saying...
[04:22] <tgm4883_laptop> your SOL
[04:23] <foxbuntu> that might be legal...but ^^
[04:23] <savageone> well there are mathods to megally license stuff w/ linux
[04:23] <savageone> I mean dvd playback and ripping and all that can be done on a dozen legal windows programs
[04:23] <savageone> that are commercial
[04:23] <savageone> so it needs to be just as legal for linux
[04:23] <tgm4883_laptop> savageone, which ones?
[04:24] <savageone> for windows?
[04:24] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[04:24] <savageone> first off, a lot of video editing suites do it
[04:24] <savageone> premiere and all that
[04:24] <savageone> and then there's a bunch of ones that'll backup to isos and compress and all that
[04:24] <savageone> dvdxcopy
[04:24] <savageone> dvdshrink
[04:24] <tgm4883_laptop> um
[04:24] <savageone> dvdshrink is free
[04:24] <tgm4883_laptop> i hate to break it to you
[04:24] <savageone> but they were selling xcopy at staples
[04:24] <tgm4883_laptop> but those aren't legal
[04:25] <foxbuntu> xcopy was sued and lost
[04:25] <savageone> dvdxcopy was at staples
[04:25] <savageone> damn
[04:25] <savageone> god bless america
[04:25] <foxbuntu> shrink is illegal thus it is no longer hosted on US Based servers
[04:25] <tgm4883_laptop> and also notice that dvddecryptor is no longer available
[04:26] <tgm4883_laptop> shrink is no longer availble really
[04:26] <tgm4883_laptop> and I'm pretty sure the video editing suites that your talking about doesn't do it either
[04:26] <savageone> unless the verisons I have are from before the laws changed
[04:27] <savageone> right now I'm half asleep
[04:27] <savageone> i need to catch some zs
[04:27] <foxbuntu> night savageone
[04:27] <savageone> night
[06:09] <skwashd> hi all
[06:09] <skwashd> i keep on getting can't connect to the database errors
[06:09] <skwashd> i have tested with the mysql cli and the connection works
[06:10] <superm1> rm ~/.mythtv
[06:10] <skwashd> superm1: tried that
[06:10] <superm1> skwashd, well then make sure /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt is right
[06:10] <superm1> and make sure there is no /home/mythtv/.mythtv too
[06:11] <skwashd> ok
[06:13] <skwashd> superm1: still no go
[06:14] <skwashd> i have been using the password from /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt in mythtv-setup and in my cli tests
[06:14] <superm1> this is a remote machine connecting?
[06:14] <skwashd> nope
[06:14] <skwashd> local
[06:14] <superm1> okay is mythbackend starting correctly?
[06:14] <skwashd> but i have granted remote access too
[06:15] <skwashd> it is returning status code 0 .. and there is no errors outputted
[06:15] <superm1> how are you starting it?
[06:16] <superm1> via init script i hope?
[06:16] <skwashd> yes
[06:16] <superm1> then look at the log
[06:16] <superm1> /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[06:18] <skwashd> lemme ssh to the box so i can c+p anything which looks dodgy
[06:19] <superm1> how were you checking that there was no ~/.mythtv
[06:19] <superm1> and no /home/mythtv/.mythtv?
[06:21] <skwashd> rm -Rf ~/.mythtv ~mythtv/.mythtv
[06:22] <skwashd> that with a sudo ay tyhe front
[06:22] <superm1> ok'
[06:22] <skwashd> the log looks ok
[06:22] <superm1> okay so how are you starting the frontend?
[06:22] <skwashd> 2007-12-12 17:20:36.396 New DB connection, total: 2
[06:22] <skwashd> 2007-12-12 17:20:36.398 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost
[06:23] <skwashd> the only problem i can see is this
[06:23] <skwashd> ERROR: no valid capture cards are defined in the database.
[06:23] <skwashd> Perhaps you should read the installation instructions?
[06:23] <skwashd> which can be fixed by running mythtv-setup
[06:23] <superm1> right
[06:23] <superm1> so where's the issue?
[06:24] <skwashd> running mythtv-setup
[06:24] <skwashd> i get db connection errors
[06:24] <superm1> how are you launching it?
[06:24] <skwashd> no matter how many times i run it
[06:24] <skwashd> tried through the menu option and the console
[06:24] <superm1> can you pastebin the output of running it?
[06:25] <skwashd> not easily ... i am using vnc to connect to the box ... it is in another room ... and doesn't have an irc client on it
[06:25] <superm1> mythtv-setup | tee log,out
[06:25] <superm1> and then cp log.out
[06:26] <skwashd> nm ... forgot about ssh -X  :)
[06:29] <skwashd> superm1: http://pastebin.ca/813053
[06:30] <superm1> you didn't launch with sudo correct?
[06:31] <skwashd> right
[06:31] <superm1> can you see if after this was ran, a ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt was made?
[06:33] <skwashd> superm1: i finally found the problem
[06:33] <superm1> ?
[06:33] <skwashd> for some reason if you have mysql.txt in ~/ mythtv will use it
[06:33] <superm1> isn't that what i said
[06:33] <superm1> to remove ~/.mythtv
[06:33] <skwashd> i had moved the ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt earlier today
[06:33] <skwashd> no
[06:34] <superm1> i dont understand, so you didn't run that command like you had said to rm it?
[06:34] <superm1> or what happened here?
[06:39] <skwashd> sorry superm1 someone came to the door
[06:40] <skwashd> there was a file ~/mysql.txt ... and mythtv was using it
[06:40] <superm1> that's surprising that that is a valid file too
[06:40] <superm1> i didnt recall seeing that in the source
[06:40] <skwashd> it was using it
[06:40] <skwashd> i will run a strace later
[06:40] <skwashd> running setup now
[06:41] <skwashd> and file a bug report if it is the case
[06:41] <superm1> okay well i'm headed to bed
[06:41] <superm1> night
[06:41] <skwashd> cya
[06:41] <skwashd> and thanks
[14:55] <rhpot1991> are there logs of this chat anywhere?
[14:55] <padan> how far back do you need?  my scroll window probably goes a day or so
[14:56] <rhpot1991> I'm just wondering if they exist on the interweb anywhere
[14:56] <padan> no clue
[14:56] <padan> sorry
[14:56] <rhpot1991> alright
[15:27] <wild_oscar> is it possible to run the mythtv backend and frontend from the livecd?
[15:28] <wild_oscar> just to test it
[15:30] <wild_oscar> with mythbuntu, that is
[15:33] <rhpot1991> not that I know of, kinda hard to store all that data in ram
[15:35] <wild_oscar> what is the "live CD frontend" for then?
[15:39] <rhpot1991> you use that to connect to an existing backend
[15:39] <rhpot1991> you can do a test run that like, but you need a backend somewhere to connect to
[15:45] <wild_oscar> ah
[16:23] <tgm4883> !logs | rhpot1991
[16:23] <ubotu> rhpot1991: Channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[16:24] <rhpot1991> nice, thanks
[16:26] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: did you see what the problem was with that guy who we were helping with his mysql connection yesterday?
[16:31] <rhpot1991> also, does dev get logged, I'd be interested to see what goes on in the meetings since I haven't been able to make it to one yet
[16:32] <tgm4883> no, dev is not logged
[16:46] <zubuntu> ok, so i have now got a working backend, and I want to make my laptop a frontend I have installed the mythTV packages on my laptop via Add/Remove programs
[16:47] <zubuntu> I set the system roles to no backend/frontend
[16:47] <zubuntu> now i need to configure it to connect to the backend machine
[16:48] <zubuntu> I hane matched the settings in the section MythTV Configuration to the location of the database on my backend, and the test fails
[16:49] <zubuntu> the ip address should be that of the computer I am connecting to , and the password the one i set on my backend correct?
[16:52] <zubuntu> help.......?
[16:54] <zubuntu> i am going to lunch i will be back after, hope someone can help
[17:25] <alexvd> I am having issues with channel icons.  I ran tv_grab_na_icons and it asked for the zipcode but then when I selected directv it killed itself after a while.  I then tried antenna and it tried to download to a directory but it said it did not exist.  What is the proper way to get channel icons?
[17:50] <zubuntu> hello
[17:51] <zubuntu> i am trying to connect my frontend to my backend, and I am not sure why it won't
[17:51] <zubuntu> please help me
[17:53] <tgm4883> zubuntu, on the backend machine, did you enable the mysql service in mythbuntu-control-centre
[17:54] <zubuntu> yes
[17:55] <zubuntu> wait, i guess not
[17:55] <zubuntu> it still says disabled, but i tried to
[17:55] <tgm4883> hmm
[17:55] <tgm4883> thats strange
[17:55] <tgm4883> you hit apply after doing so?
[17:56] <zubuntu> yes, but it crashed, it is enabled now let me try it
[17:57] <zubuntu> ok in mythTV configuration i still get a "test failed"
[17:58] <tgm4883> ok, which password are you using to connect?
[17:58] <zubuntu> in the fronend, i entered the same password that it gives me on the backend
[17:59] <tgm4883> not the user password, right?
[17:59] <zubuntu> the DB password
[17:59] <tgm4883> hmm
[17:59] <zubuntu> was generated by the system during install...
[17:59] <tgm4883> right
[18:01] <tgm4883> is this a default mythbuntu install?
[18:01] <zubuntu> probably a stupid question, but when I enter the ip address of the machine i want to connect what ip should i use (ie i am using what the system gives me when i enter ifconfig)
[18:02] <tgm4883> you should be using the private ip address, ie 192.168.x.x
[18:02] <zubuntu> the backend is a default install (off a mythbuntu iso) the frontend is my main machine with mythtv packages installed via ADD/REMOVE programs
[18:04] <zubuntu> wait, hold on a sec, what ports does mythbuntu use?
[18:04] <tgm4883> does the backend have a frontend on it also?
[18:04] <zubuntu> yeah
[18:05] <tgm4883> and that frontend works fine?
[18:05] <zubuntu> yes
[18:06] <zubuntu> i think i may just need to create a rule permitting it in iptables
[18:06] <zubuntu> where can i look up the ports it is set to use?
[18:07] <tgm4883> mythtv uses 6544 and 6543
[18:07] <tgm4883> and mysql uses 3306
[18:08] <tgm4883> http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html
[18:10] <zubuntu> hmmm opened those ports for that ip, and still fails
[18:19] <zubuntu> on a possibly unrelated note, I also can't seem to activate NFS service on my backend it tries. but mythbuntu control center quits before any packages are downloaded
[18:22] <rhpot1991> can you ping the backend and connect to it with the mysql command?
[18:23] <zubuntu> i have pinged successfully, what is the command to log into mysql remotely?
[18:24] <zubuntu> mysql 192.168.xxx.xxx?
[18:25] <zubuntu> sorry i don't know much about mysql...
[18:31] <rhpot1991> mysql -u <username> -h <IP here>
[18:31] <rhpot1991> should prompt you for a password hopefully
[18:31] <zubuntu> that would be the user name on the backend for the mysql DB right?
[18:32] <rhpot1991> ya
[18:32] <rhpot1991> normally mythtv
[18:33] <zubuntu> ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.XXX.XXX' (111)
[18:34] <rhpot1991> did you fill xxx in with numbers?
[18:34] <rhpot1991> or did you actually type xxx
[18:34] <zubuntu> lol yeah i used the numbers when i entered it i just didn't post them in here
[18:37] <tgm4883> zubuntu, on your backend, can you do this
[18:37] <tgm4883> cat /etc/mysql/conf.d/mythtv.cnf
[18:37] <tgm4883> and post the output
[18:37] <zubuntu> ok
[18:37] <rhpot1991> also check /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt and make sure the password you are using matches the one in there
[18:38] <rhpot1991> thats on your backend now
[18:38] <zubuntu> oh jeeze it says "bind-address=<IP_ADDRESS>"
[18:39] <zubuntu> but on the plus side, the password i have been using is correct
[18:41] <tgm4883> hmm
[18:41] <tgm4883> i was hoping that would be wrong and then we could fix it
[18:42] <zubuntu> that is what it should be?
[18:42] <zubuntu> the bind-address i mean
[18:42] <tgm4883> yep
[18:42] <rhpot1991> it seems like a mysql issue
[18:43] <rhpot1991> maybe check to see if the mysql ports are open with a scan, though I don't know what the ports are
[18:45] <zubuntu> ok, so i did a port scan of the backend, and it says that 2442 6543 and 6544 are open plus the regular stuff (80 etc)
[18:48] <rhpot1991> google says 3306 for mysql
[18:49] <rhpot1991> try sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart
[18:49] <rhpot1991> then scan it again
[18:54] <zubuntu> port scans as open, but still fails test :(
[18:55] <rhpot1991> same error?
[18:55] <rhpot1991> did you try the mysql command?
[18:56] <zubuntu> new error!
[18:56] <zubuntu> ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(using password: NO)
[18:56] <zubuntu> woops forgot tocensor that
[18:57] <directhex> censor what?
[18:57] <zubuntu> my ip
[18:57] <directhex> <IP_ADDRESS> is a class c private network
[18:57] <directhex> it's impossible to reach it outside your network
[18:58] <zubuntu> oh
[18:58] <directhex> see RFC 1918
[18:58] <rhpot1991> ya
[18:58] <zubuntu> well live and learn i guess
[18:58] <rhpot1991> zubuntu: is it prompting you for a password?
[18:59] <zubuntu> no
[18:59] <rhpot1991> try this instead: mysql -u <user> -p -h <IP>
[19:00] <zubuntu> ok, i was able to connect
[19:00] <rhpot1991> ok mysql is fine now, try the test again
[19:01] <zubuntu> still reports failure
[19:02] <zubuntu> nevermind
[19:02] <rhpot1991> good?
[19:02] <zubuntu> success
[19:02] <rhpot1991> excelent
[19:02] <zubuntu> thank you for your time and patience
[19:03] <rhpot1991> sure, no problem
[19:08] <zubuntu> ok i have on more question, although everything is working fine now, is it possible to connect to this backend remotely (over the web) when i am on another network?
[19:09] <tgm4883> zubuntu, not to watch shows
[19:09] <tgm4883> the connection would be too slow
[19:09] <zubuntu> but in theory...
[19:09] <tgm4883> yes
[19:09] <tgm4883> with a little more setup
[19:10] <tgm4883> although im not sure if it would pass certain legal tests
[19:10] <rhpot1991> zubuntu: what is the purpose of connecting like that?
[19:10] <rhpot1991> you can do most everything you need with mythweb
[19:11] <zubuntu> i have a huge library of dvd rips and i wanted to be able to stream to my laptop
[19:11] <zubuntu> i own all the dvd's...
[19:11] <rhpot1991> buy a portable hard drive
[19:11] <tgm4883> yea, thats not happening
[19:11] <rhpot1991> keep them on there, and carry it with you
[19:12] <rhpot1991> you could share out the folder over http and password protect it, but good luck with those xfer times
[19:12] <zubuntu> they don't make large enough portable hard drives... i mean a HUGE collection...
[19:12] <rhpot1991> I have a 1TB mybook now
[19:12] <rhpot1991> will hold a ton of movies
[19:13] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: what legal issues do you see?
[19:14] <rhpot1991> if its password protected and not available to the public I don't see any problems
[19:14] <tgm4883> thats the key
[19:14] <tgm4883> same why you have to password protect mythweb
[19:14] <tgm4883> because of the channel data
[19:14] <rhpot1991> if he comes in here and says X.X.X.X has 50 gigs of pr0n, then there is another issue
[19:14] <zubuntu> well i have no interest in sharing out to the general population...
[19:15] <zubuntu> lol and i don't have any pr0n
[19:15] <rhpot1991> zubuntu: it would still be unwatchable unless you had 2 incredibly good interweb connections
[19:15] <zubuntu> hmmm i was afraid of that
[19:15] <rhpot1991> but you could get away with sharing them over http and download it and watching a few hours later
[19:16] <rhpot1991> I think someone had the 1TB mybook for $250 this week
[19:16] <zubuntu> 0_0
[19:16] <zubuntu> wow
[19:17] <tgm4883> zubuntu, do you live in korea?
[19:17] <rhpot1991> http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=205761335&adid=17653&dcaid=17653
[19:17] <zubuntu> lol no, although i am looking at verizon's FiOS when they come to my area... 2Mbps symmetrical
[19:17] <rhpot1991> I should prob stop making assumption I'm talking to people from america in here
[19:17] <zubuntu> *sorry thats 20Mbps
[19:17] <rhpot1991> Isn't it 20
[19:17] <rhpot1991> ya
[19:18]  * zubuntu is a poor typist
[19:18] <tgm4883> 20 should be enough, but you will need that at both ends
[19:18] <rhpot1991> you might be able to steam over that
[19:18] <rhpot1991> I haven't heard anything about verizon expanding that though
[19:19] <rhpot1991> I'll prob jump to fios when I move, enough of this comcast garbage
[19:19] <zubuntu> the had a rep in my local best buy recently swearing it was coming
[19:19] <rhpot1991> heh, believe it when you see it
[19:19] <rhpot1991> they will tell you anything juts to get you to sign up
[19:20]  * rhpot1991 used to work at circuit city
[19:22] <zubuntu> too true
[19:23] <rhpot1991> CC has a 750gb mybook for 219
[19:23] <zubuntu> CC?
[19:24] <zubuntu> oh circuit city...
[19:24]  * zubuntu slaps his forehead
[19:25] <rhpot1991> ya
[19:25] <rhpot1991> I can't find where I saw that 1TB on sale, might have been last week
[19:30] <zubuntu> any particular reason you favor mybook rhpot1991 ?
[19:31] <rhpot1991> cause I got one on BF for $200
[19:32] <rhpot1991> the segate ones carry a better warranty (I think), but I haven't seen anything over 500gb on sale
[19:33] <zubuntu> I have a seagate now, but it is nearly full and i still have movies to rip
[19:33] <rhpot1991> you can get another and LVM them
[19:34] <rhpot1991> I'd be a little afraid of that though
[19:34] <rhpot1991> this drive gets flaky sometimes, and needs to get unplugged
[19:34] <zubuntu> hmmm yeah i have expended a lot of time filling a 350GB drive
[19:47] <zubuntu> hahahahahahahahaha
[19:47] <zubuntu> i was jsut moving content to my backend, from my external drive, and the HD in the backend failed
[19:47] <zubuntu> so much for testing it out
[19:49] <rhpot1991> sucky
[19:51] <zubuntu> i was transferring over 300   THIS IS BOOT FAILURE!!!!!!!
[19:52] <rhpot1991> huh?
[19:52] <zubuntu> the movie 300... about the spartans
[19:53] <rhpot1991> ya, I know that, didn't get the boot failure yelling
[19:53] <zubuntu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yddMQ6eXqEk
[19:53] <rhpot1991> eh, at work
[19:53] <zubuntu> the screen went blank so i rebooted , and now i have BOOT FAILURE: SYSTEM HALTED
[19:54] <rhpot1991> sounds like data corruption, perhaps your HD is on the fritz
[19:54] <zubuntu> on my screen all i could think of when i saw it was that scene where he kicks the persian messenger into the big pit
[19:55] <zubuntu> yeah i pulled it out of an old 98 machine giving the same error i figure the drive is a bust if it fails again after 1 day of use
[19:55] <rhpot1991> go buy a shiny new huge sata drive for that backend
[19:56] <rhpot1991> a lot of places have had a 750gb segate sata model on sale recently (I browse the hard drives often, can't you tell?)
[19:56] <zubuntu> yeah
[19:56] <zubuntu> maybe when i recover from the holiday expenditures...
[19:56]  * zubuntu is a poor college student
[19:57] <zubuntu> :(
[19:57] <rhpot1991> enjoy it
[19:57] <rhpot1991> I used to be, now I am a poor every day worker
[19:58] <rhpot1991> I miss the days when I didn't have to worry about rent or bills
[19:58] <zubuntu> lol i love college, just not being poor
[19:58] <zubuntu> well too poor for toys
[20:27] <KjetilK> I'm setting up a Hauppauge PVR-150 remote
[20:28] <KjetilK> I've read the manual, which talks a lot about the blaster function, which I intend to use, but first I want to make it work with the normal functions
[20:29] <KjetilK> I've installed the firmware, but now I notice that there is a /etc/lirc/hauppauge dir on my system
[20:29] <rhpot1991> KjetilK: are you using MCC?
[20:29] <rhpot1991> or doing it by hand
[20:29] <KjetilK> that is, that's in share, but I've symlinked it, since I have a hardware.conf, that referencing it
[20:29] <KjetilK> rhpot1991: doing it by hand
[20:30] <rhpot1991> why not use MCC?
[20:30] <KjetilK> rhpot1991: it is more convenient to sit on my workstation than in front of the TV :-)
[20:31] <KjetilK> anyway, I've first used the MCC
[20:31] <rhpot1991> well you could forward X, but if you prefer to do it by hand then this method works well for the pvr's: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty
[20:31] <rhpot1991> I set mine up using that
[20:31]  * KjetilK looks
[20:32] <rhpot1991> thats for fiesty, so it might be a little different now, but you will get the idea of where things go, should be good enough
[20:33] <KjetilK> hmmm, right
[20:34] <KjetilK> well, I guess if MCC could do the job, it would be preferable after all :-)
[20:34] <rhpot1991> MCC will put the files where they need to be, and you can customize from there
[20:34] <KjetilK> but all I seemed to be able to do with MCC was to say it was a Hauppauge
[20:34] <KjetilK> hmmm
[20:34] <KjetilK> ok, I'll give it another shot
[20:34]  * KjetilK needs another keyboard... :-)
[20:35] <rhpot1991> its a pvr150?
[20:35] <rhpot1991> with the hauppauge grey remote?
[21:04] <KjetilK> rhpot1991: yup, it is a pvr150
[21:05] <KjetilK> but I wouldn't know how to really tell the difference between a grey and a silver one...
[21:05] <KjetilK> it is relatively dark, so I guess it could be a grey one
[21:05] <rhpot1991> prob
[21:06] <rhpot1991> under remote control on MCC, you are gonna want: Remote Happauge TV card
[21:06] <rhpot1991> driver: happauge
[21:06] <rhpot1991> module: lirc_i2c
[21:06] <KjetilK> yup, did that...
[21:07] <rhpot1991> most of the buttons should do something after that
[21:07] <KjetilK> that is, I couldn't influence the parameters
[21:07] <rhpot1991> feel free to adjust as you need
[21:07] <KjetilK> hmmm
[21:07] <KjetilK> I wonder if I messed up something else, then...
[21:08] <KjetilK> none of the files in /etc/lirc has been influenced by the changes I made in MCC
[21:08] <KjetilK> is that a Bad Sign
[21:08] <KjetilK> ?
[21:09] <rhpot1991> what happens if you run irw
[21:09] <rhpot1991> then hit buttons on the remote?
[21:09] <KjetilK> nothing
[21:09] <KjetilK> tried that too
[21:09] <KjetilK> but I quit MythTV when I tried it
[21:10] <rhpot1991> do sudo /etc/init.d/lirc reload
[21:10] <rhpot1991> then sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart ( shouldn't be needed, but why not)
[21:10] <KjetilK> done
[21:10] <KjetilK> :-)
[21:10] <rhpot1991> and then fire up irw again and see if you get anything
[21:10] <KjetilK> ok
[21:10]  * KjetilK walks to the living room
[21:13] <KjetilK> nope, nothing
[21:14] <KjetilK> but there is something potentially interesting in my syslog
[21:14] <rhpot1991> go on
[21:14] <rhpot1991> MCC prob didn't have the rights to overwrite some files that you created
[21:14] <rhpot1991> I'd back them up and remove them and try via MCC again
[21:14] <KjetilK> is it supposed to write in /etc/lirc?
[21:14] <rhpot1991> the fact that its not yelling when you start irw is good, prob just the hardware.config thats messed up
[21:15] <rhpot1991> I think so
[21:15] <KjetilK> ok
[21:15] <rhpot1991> either lircd.config or hardware.config
[21:15] <rhpot1991> both I think
[21:16] <KjetilK> oh, ok
[21:16] <KjetilK> I'll try to run it from my workstation as root
[21:16] <rhpot1991> just back them up and remove them and try again with MCC
[21:16] <rhpot1991> shouldn't matter
[21:16] <rhpot1991> whats in syslog?
[21:16]  * KjetilK is old fashioned and likes a root user :-)
[21:17] <rhpot1991> sudo does the same for you
[21:17] <KjetilK> yup, but with five more keystrokes :-)
[21:18] <rhpot1991> so be it
[21:18] <KjetilK> :-)
[21:19] <KjetilK> it did throw me an exception, probably not a dangerous though
[21:20] <KjetilK> hmmm
[21:20] <KjetilK> it doesn't create any files...
[21:20] <rhpot1991> are you clicking apply?
[21:20] <KjetilK> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/2667/
[21:21] <KjetilK> yup, and I got that exception
[21:21] <rhpot1991> hmmm that I'm not sure about actually
[21:21] <KjetilK> now its halted at "Configuring Application Specific Remote Buttons"
[21:21] <superm1> um please be careful running mcc as root
[21:22] <superm1> it drops permissions in certain areas
[21:22] <superm1> and expects to be able to
[21:22] <KjetilK> hmmm, ok
[21:22] <superm1> you cant generate application specific buttons for example
[21:22] <superm1> oh haha like you just tried :)
[21:22] <KjetilK> :-D
[21:22] <KjetilK> OK, so that was a bad idea :-)
[21:22] <rhpot1991> sudo wins
[21:23] <KjetilK> okai, okai
[21:26]  * KjetilK taps fingers... :-)
[21:26] <KjetilK> hardware.conf has been touched but is 0 bytes
[21:27] <KjetilK> now says "Configuring Remote Control"
[21:28] <KjetilK> Anyway, the stuff I saw in my syslog, was lines like
[21:28] <KjetilK> Dec 12 21:57:42 tigger kernel: [ 3892.922050] /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-2.6.22/debian/build/build-generic/media/lirc/lirc_imon/lirc_imon.c: IR port closed
[21:29] <KjetilK> it seemed to open and close the IR port pretty randomly
[21:29] <KjetilK> could this be a Bad Thing?
[21:35] <KjetilK> root@tigger:/etc/lirc> cat hardware.conf
[21:35] <KjetilK> REMOTE="Hauppauge TV card"
[21:35] <KjetilK> MODULES="lirc_dev lirc_i2c"
[21:35] <KjetilK> DRIVER=""
[21:35] <KjetilK> LIRCD_CONF="hauppauge/lircd.conf.hauppauge"
[21:35] <KjetilK> I hope five lines was bearable...
[21:36] <KjetilK> that looks right, right?
[21:37] <rhpot1991> ya that looks good
[21:37] <KjetilK> ok
[21:37] <KjetilK> but there is currently no hauppauge dir in my /etc/lirc
[21:38] <KjetilK> lircd.conf.hauppauge is in /usr/share/lirc/remotes/hauppauge/
[21:39] <KjetilK> what's lircmd, I don't have a conf for that...?
[21:39] <rhpot1991> mine is empty too
[21:40] <rhpot1991> I think it might be accessing: /usr/share/lirc/remotes/hauppauge/lircd.conf.hauppauge
[21:40] <rhpot1991> did MCC finish everything?
[21:40] <KjetilK> ok, it was the Lirc Mouse Protocol
[21:40] <KjetilK> yup, it did now
[21:40] <guyvdb_> What is "the best" capture card to get? I am looking to use a slightly older box so i want the MPEG processing on the card. Pref a Hauppauge card, but which one? 250, 350?
[21:40] <rhpot1991> reload and restart lirc
[21:40] <rhpot1991> then try irw again
[21:41] <KjetilK> ok
[21:41] <rhpot1991> I have a 150 and a 350
[21:41] <rhpot1991> 350 I bought first cause of the output, but I no longer use it
[21:43] <rhpot1991> 500 has dual tuners
[21:43] <guyvdb_> what do you use for output (video) now?
[21:44] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Video_capture_cards
[21:44] <rhpot1991> nvidia graphics cards
[21:44] <guyvdb_> yea, i have been reading the wiki on this
[21:44] <rhpot1991> component out on one, composite out on another
[21:44] <guyvdb_> and what s-video?
[21:44] <KjetilK> rhpot1991: still nothing :-(
[21:44] <guyvdb_> ahh
[21:45] <rhpot1991> still getting those messages in syslog
[21:45] <rhpot1991> ?
[21:45] <guyvdb_> and then how about ir - i think transceiver. I must control my sat tv box via ir
[21:46] <rhpot1991> the retial pvr150's come with an ir receiver/blaster anymore
[21:47] <rhpot1991> KjetilK: dmesg |grep lirc, does that show anything?
[21:47] <KjetilK> rhpot1991: yeah... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/2668/
[21:47] <KjetilK> rhpot1991: same thing, IR port closing and opening
[21:49] <rhpot1991> this may seem stupid, but did you make sure the IR cable is plugged all the way in?
[21:49] <KjetilK> rhpot1991: yeah, I just checked :-)
[21:50] <KjetilK> the jack is a bit close to the side of the slot, so there is a potential for problems there though...
[21:50] <KjetilK> I remember reading in the mythtv wiki that there were differences between the silver and the grey remote
[21:51] <KjetilK> should both work now?
[21:51] <rhpot1991> my IR cable has a chip out of the one corner, so you face that corner towards the slot and it fits snug
[21:51] <KjetilK> hmmm, I'll check that once again
[21:51] <rhpot1991> not sure, I only have the grey and a one4all that I programmed with the grey keys
[21:55] <rhpot1991> home time, I might be around later if you don't get it working by the
[21:55] <rhpot1991> then
[21:55] <rhpot1991> good luck
[22:52] <alexvd> I am having issues with channel icons.  I ran tv_grab_na_icons and it asked for the zipcode but then when I selected directv it killed itself after a while.  I then tried antenna and it tried to download to a directory but it said it did not exist.  What is the proper way to get channel icons?
[22:53] <alexvd> rhpot1991
[22:54] <alexvd> rhpot1991 are you still around and have your channel icons installed
[22:55] <rhpot1991> that I am
[22:55] <rhpot1991> did it work when you entered your zip code?
[22:55] <alexvd> nope
[22:55] <rhpot1991> I never got it to work
[22:55] <alexvd> it tried to then said killed
[22:55] <alexvd> shot
[22:55] <alexvd> shoot
[22:55] <rhpot1991> I think (its been a while) I used the master icon map file
[22:55] <alexvd> i think it has to do with the directory it goes to install
[22:55] <rhpot1991> to get them
[22:56] <rhpot1991> its missing a few, but I don't care that much
[22:56] <alexvd> mkiconmap.p
[22:56] <alexvd> yeah
[22:56] <alexvd> that was pointing to the old icon puller
[22:56] <alexvd> and didnt work for a while
[22:57] <rhpot1991> when I did the grab icons script, it always threw me errors about the zip code, I read it was a problem with xmltv_na (or something), tried to compile the svn version but I never had any luck and gave up
[22:57] <rhpot1991> you can nab the icon file yourself
[22:57] <rhpot1991> and point it at that
[22:57] <alexvd> yeah exactly
[22:57] <alexvd> i see a how to use the svn script
[22:57] <alexvd> going to try right now
[22:58] <alexvd> channel icons are stored on the backend right so you dont have to do it for each frontend right
[22:59] <rhpot1991> ummmm
[22:59] <rhpot1991> let me check on that
[22:59] <rhpot1991> I know mine are there, gonna see if I have a nfs share or anything to my other backend/frontend
[23:01] <KjetilK> rhpot1991: got some help on #mythtv-users after you left. Turns out I have another IR reciever in my box (an Antec Fusion Silver v2)
[23:01] <winther> hi
[23:01] <KjetilK> the guys over there suggest using that
[23:03] <winther> Is it possible to use analog controlls to interface with mythtv? I thougth of putting a mini computer in an old stereo casing. It would be nice to utilize the existing controlls for example for volume.
[23:03] <rhpot1991> alexvd: seems mine are only in a single location on my master backend, I'd have to verify they are actually working on that other box though, I don't normally use it much
[23:03] <rhpot1991> KjetilK: strange, get it working?
[23:03] <rhpot1991> also can it blast
[23:03] <rhpot1991> winther: sounds hard, good luck with that
[23:05] <winther> Or is there some kind of hardware that allows me to create custom buttons? Perfekt would be if it would also supports something useful for the volume controll (slider or some ring like thing).
[23:07] <KjetilK> rhpot1991: nope, it isn't working yet, but there are HOWTOs for it
[23:07] <KjetilK> but it is bedtime here
[23:07] <rhpot1991> pleanty of howtos for the pvr's too
[23:07] <KjetilK> thanks for the help, I might get back tomorrow
[23:07] <rhpot1991> no problem
[23:08] <KjetilK> also, the device is in the control-center
[23:08] <rhpot1991> ah nice
[23:08] <KjetilK> it is the Soundgraph iMON MultiMedian IR/VFD
[23:08] <rhpot1991> should* work fairly easily then
[23:08] <KjetilK> lets hope! :-)
[23:08] <rhpot1991> did you try to sudo modprobe lirc?
[23:08] <KjetilK> nope
[23:08] <rhpot1991> shouldn't need to
[23:08] <rhpot1991> I'd think irw woulda yelled if it wasn't loaded
[23:09] <KjetilK> yup
[23:09] <Toxicity999> Hmmm, completely hacked up my ubuntu based mythbox to start X/Mythfrontend via an rc.local script. The first time X starts it gives me the prompt to add the user to the group, naturaly it's hard for it to do so the way it does when not in a real DE. Restarting X with my script, it loads fine... Any ideas?
[23:09] <Toxicity999> even removing the group need from the execs, it still prompts.
[23:10] <rhpot1991> Toxicity999: why not use the package that does that for you?
[23:10] <Toxicity999> What?
[23:10] <rhpot1991> ubuntu-mythtv-frontend
[23:10] <rhpot1991> automagically starts the frontend up for you on boot
[23:11] <Toxicity999> I thought that was throwing it up on a DE.
[23:11] <rhpot1991> DE?
[23:11] <Toxicity999> Desktop Environment.
[23:11] <rhpot1991> well you already have x
[23:12] <rhpot1991> why are you opposed to having a DE?
[23:12] <Toxicity999> Waste of resources.
[23:12] <rhpot1991> I think that package works with any of them
[23:12] <rhpot1991> eh, go with something light weight
[23:12] <rhpot1991> x is a waste of resources too
[23:12] <Toxicity999> Which is still, a waste a resources.
[23:12] <rhpot1991> but you need that
[23:12] <Toxicity999> Uhm
[23:12] <Toxicity999> I need it, so not a waste.
[23:13] <rhpot1991> well, one can argue you shouldn't need it
[23:13] <Toxicity999> Right, I could also run it directly on the framebuffer. For a box *just* running mythfrontend and friends, it's complete overkill to run even the most lightweight of DEs, such as watered down XFCE.
[23:16] <Toxicity999> I figured it out anyway. But yea, I have the most efficient lightweight mythbox ever. Let me get boot times and disk space used.
[23:17] <rhpot1991> what kind of box do you run it on?
[23:17] <Toxicity999> Really old hardware, perfectly tweaked
[23:17] <Toxicity999> yea, 25 seconds from power to mythfrontend top page =D
[23:18] <Toxicity999> It's on an Intel 733MHz proc, with an nVidia MX 420
[23:18] <Toxicity999> I've been tweaking it on and off for awhile and it's just a-freaking-bout perfect for standard def.
[23:20] <rhpot1991> ah nice
[23:20] <Toxicity999> 850mb total used for the whole system.
[23:20] <rhpot1991> running xvmc?
[23:20] <Toxicity999> Yep.
[23:20] <Toxicity999> And some tweaking for non mpeg-2, so anything non-HD plays perfectly for me.
[23:20] <Toxicity999> well most things, I should say.
[23:22] <rhpot1991> I'm kinda spoiled, running on an amd 1900+ and a p4 1.8 with over 2 TB of storage between them
[23:22] <Toxicity999> I'll have much better in it soon.
[23:22] <Toxicity999> But I like to make things run slick as hell on crappy hardware, just because I can =P
[23:22] <rhpot1991> if I ever upgrade my amd64 that can replace one of those
[23:23] <Toxicity999> I just wish I could fandangle splashy to not look like hell, I suppose I could use a mostly black theme.
[23:24] <Toxicity999> and I'm applying a transparent cursor to X sometime, just to get the little bits that much better.


[03:50] <pazadam> how to switch beetween english to herow
[10:56] <matthias__> accept
[10:56] <matthias__> acceptance
[12:19] <elf_> upgrade
[16:00] <onaxis> Hi i just connected a second monitor but displays the same thing in both. Is there a way to set up this so it can show me another workspace?
[16:05] <delt> Hello
[16:05] <delt> trying to find this app for ubuntu studio ---> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Applications:Carla
[16:07] <delt> also, there's a weird priority glitch with the screensaver.... when it starts and dims the screen, midi notes playing DURING the dimming process are postponed to the end of the dimming, where they all play at the same time and normal playback resumes.
[16:07] <delt> (midi keyboard -> renoise -> pianoteq vst)
[19:47] <zequence> delt: That application has not been packaged for Debian, so the only way you can get it is if you compile it yourself from source, or add the kxstudio ppa that has it
[19:47] <zequence> You can find more info about kxstudio and falktx apps at #kxstudio
[19:48] <zequence> delt: I would just disable the screensaver. It's not something we work at for Ubuntu Studio. We don't actually do any work on desktop applications at all
[19:49] <zequence> But, it's interesting it takes such a priority. You could mention this for whoever developes the screensaver
[20:04] <wenesmek> Hello
[20:29] <delt> zequence: it's xscreensaver. Only the "fade" effect seems to take really high priority. Once it's in the actual screensaver there's no problem.
[20:40] <delt> i can easily disable this dimming/fade effect, but i just thought i'd mention it, since it can potentially happen in other situations too.


[00:00] <Peng> Wait, what about plugins?
[00:00]  * Peng wanders off.
[00:04] <slangasek> lifeless: there you are then
[00:06] <jelmer> spiv: Hmm, that's an interesting bug
[00:07] <jelmer> slangasek: I can't think of a reason a by-value joined tree wouldn't work
[00:07] <spiv> jelmer: something weird also happened when there were revisions
[00:07] <spiv> jelmer: it pushed ok, but the merge to trunk caused some sort of property conflict
[00:07] <jelmer> spiv: That's the bit I mean
[00:07] <jelmer> spiv: bzr svn-push can't use a clean "svn cp"
[00:09] <spiv> jelmer: hmm, why not?
[00:09] <jelmer> spiv: if there is a branch A with tip revision 42 and you're trying to push a branch B that also has tip 42 it has to do a copy of r41 -> /B that replays the changes in r42
[00:09] <jelmer> otherwise the two branches actually have a different revision history
[00:10] <jelmer> A has tip 42 and B has tip 42+1 where rev 1 is en empty commit that changes the branch nick from A to B
[00:11] <ubotu> New bug: #203376 in bzr "traceback when merging an svn repo with a 'bzr join'ed branch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203376
[00:12] <jelmer> slangasek: thanks
[00:12] <jelmer> spiv: ^
[00:12] <spiv> jelmer: hmm, because you can't easily figure out that the tip 42 in B happens to be the same as 42 elsewhere in the repo?
[00:13] <jelmer> spiv: I can figure that out, but the problem is that B has more revisions than A
[00:14] <jelmer> the commit that contains the "svn cp" will show up as well
[00:14] <spiv> Ah, the impedence mismatch, because making a branch in bzr doesn't make a revision.
[00:14] <spiv> But in svn it does.
[00:15] <spiv> I think I see.
[00:15] <jelmer> yep, that's a clearer way of explaining it
[00:15] <lifeless> so a cp that makes no alterations should not generate a revision in the mappings
[00:15] <lifeless> :)
[00:16] <jelmer> lifeless: yep, but there are performance considerations there
[00:21] <radix> hay guise
[00:21] <radix> sry for bzr-svn bgz
[00:31] <spiv> jelmer: I think I'll recommend people like the Twisted guys should just keep using "svn cp" for the initial branch in the repo.
[00:35] <ubotu> New bug: #203381 in bzr-svn "Error when pushing 0.4.8 to a branch that exists in svn." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203381
[00:38] <lifeless> jelmer: btw, your versionedfile thunks in bzr-svn will need updating soon :)
[00:40] <jelmer> spiv: Makes sense
[00:41] <jelmer> spiv: We could potentially add a create-svn-branch command
[00:41] <jelmer> lifeless: Which thunks? :-)
[00:41] <spiv> jelmer: yeah, I was thinking about that.  I'm not sure if I like the idea or not :)
[01:11] <lifeless> jelmer: do you not have an implementation of repo.text_store.get_weave ?
[01:16] <mxpxpod> I'm trying to convert a git repo to a bzr repo and I'm running into the same problems described here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-git/+bug/181811
[01:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181811 in bzr-git "bzr-git incompatible with certain stgit versions" [Undecided,New]
[01:16] <mxpxpod> the problem is that when I do the last instruction, it tells me that my converted directory isn't a branch
[01:25] <lifeless> mxpxpod: I suggest you look into bzr fast-import
[01:28] <mxpxpod> lifeless: hrmmm... the git in gutsy doesn't provide git-fast-export :(
[01:29] <poolie> wow i had no idea of http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0292/
[01:29] <poolie> least of all that it was in 2.4
[01:34] <jelmer> lifeless: nope, don't need it
[01:34] <jelmer> lifeless: the only place where versionedfile is used is in the fetch code
[01:39] <lifeless> jelmer: and annotate
[01:39] <lifeless> jelmer: and repository stacking
[01:39] <LeoNerd> Random thoughts.... a 'TODO counter' plugin... Keep a track of how many 'TODO' comments I still have in checked-in code
[01:39] <LeoNerd> Plus maybe a daily email of "Here's some things left to do:" with a few lines of context
[01:43] <jamesh> poolie: people never expect to find new functionality in the string module :)
[01:51] <jelmer> lifeless: repository stacking isn't supported yet
[01:51] <jelmer> lifeless: nor is annotate on remote svn files
[01:57] <lifeless> jelmer: so, to stack we'll need this
[01:58] <lifeless> yay internode, you go
[01:58] <lifeless> jelmer: so, to stack we'll need this
[01:59] <mxpxpod> lifeless: thanks for the tip... I just compiled git from hardy for gutsy and the fast-import worked flawlessly
[02:00] <jelmer> lifeless: the main reason I haven't bothered to look at it yet is because performance on directories will suck badly
[02:00] <lifeless> jelmer: I don't think that that is a good reason not to do it ;)
[02:01] <lifeless> hmm bzrtools complaining
[02:01] <jelmer> lifeless: well, in either case it's probably better to wait until the new vf api lands :-)
[02:01] <lifeless> time to edit off the version check again
[02:08] <jml> jelmer: should I be running released bzr-svn or trunk bzr-svn?
[02:09] <jml> LeoNerd: I've thought about that.
[02:10] <jml> LeoNerd: To do it right, that plugin would need to be language-aware.
[02:14] <jml> poolie: finally heading to yours.
[02:15] <jelmer> jml: Depends on what version of bzr you'r eusing :-)
[02:16] <jelmer> jml: 1.2 -> released bzr-svn, bzr.dev -> bzr-svn's bzr branch
[02:42] <lifeless> jelmer: btw, why would directories be slow ?
[02:50] <jelmer> lifeless: there's no way to get all the interesting revisions for a directory
[02:50] <jelmer> it is possible for a file
[02:50] <lifeless> dir copies are not explicit ?
[02:51] <jelmer> lifeless: they are, but there is no call in the svn smart server protocol to retrieve the interesting revisions for a particular dir
[02:55] <lifeless> garh
[02:56] <lifeless> about a page of deprecation warnings to go
[03:23] <jml> ugh. bzr shelve uses __methods
[03:47] <kgoetz> how can i unlock a repo? i had a commit message window open and my ssh link died
[03:47] <poolie> kgoetz: bzr break-lock URL
[03:48] <kgoetz> poolie: i get a reply of "bzr: ERROR: The lock for '/home/kgoetz/public_html/dansitev01' is in use and cannot be broken."
[03:52] <poolie> hm
[03:53] <poolie> is there still a bzr process running on that machine by any chance?
[03:53] <kgoetz> let me check
[03:54] <kgoetz> yes there is. theres a `bzr ci` running still
[03:56] <kgoetz> poolie: thanks for pointing that out - killed the process and the break-lock worked
[03:56] <poolie> you're welcome
[04:45] <igc> night all
[04:56] <lifeless> igc: night
[04:57] <lifeless> igc: you jetlagged ?
[05:45] <poolie> and i shold be here
[05:58] <poolie> lifeless: symbol_versioning patch sent
[05:59] <lifeless> thanks
[06:11] <lifeless> poolie: k, I'm done for the day; this is I think the hardest of the apis to adjust, because of the ghost implications, and its nearly done.
[06:11] <lifeless> poolie: couple of failing tests still
[06:52] <lifeless> jml: whats wuhi ?
[06:53] <jml> lifeless: We Haven't Used It
[06:53] <jml> I could *swear* I've read it in some agile manifesto before.
[06:59] <lifeless> ah
[07:02] <TFKyle> hmm, wouldn't that be whui?
[07:22] <jml> TFKyle: yes. there was a typo somewhere along the way.
[07:27] <lifeless> I object to that, I'm not a typo. I'm a hoomarn bean
[07:32] <i386> lifeless: have you seen this? http://code.google.com/p/python-safethread/
[07:37] <bob2> "base (single-threaded) throughput is only around 60-65% that of normal CPython"
[07:52] <lifeless> i386: no, I haven't
[11:56] <bob2> bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ermurri/vc-bzr/emacs22.1/.bzr/repository/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[11:57] <luks> you can't push over http
[11:57] <bob2> that was a pull
[11:57] <luks> no idea then
[11:57] <james_w> bob2: are you running the latest version?
[11:58] <bob2> 3295
[12:02] <bob2> ah, it was a heavy weight checkout
[12:04] <james_w> ah, ok.
[12:56] <siretart> does anyone know if a new bzrtools release is scheduled to appear 'soon'?
[13:06] <james_w> hi siretart
[13:06] <james_w> I haven't heard.
[13:06] <james_w> Aaron is normally pretty prompt
[13:12] <siretart> hi james_w
[13:12] <siretart> I've now built a debian package for myself based on what's currently in bzrtools.dev
[13:13] <siretart> however the testsuite (not run during package build) fails
[13:13] <siretart> I've considered uploading it to debian to get bzrtools and bzr-builddeb installable again
[13:18] <dky> i heard as part of emacs discussions, some performance improvements have been proposed or checked in?
[13:19] <dky> I am interested in testing for performance, could someone give me extra information how to test bzr for performance
[13:28] <bob2> 'bzr --profile command whatever' might be of use
[14:35] <mbt> Is there some trick to being able to use bzr normally on an NFSv4 mounted home directory?
[14:40] <james_w> mbt: what do you mean normally?
[14:41] <mbt> Without errors... Nearly everything I do is accompanied by an "bzr: ERROR: [Errno 5] Input/output error" when using it on an NFSv4-mounted home, but when on the local filesystem, I do not get this error.
[14:41] <mbt> For example, I get that error when I bzr diff
[14:41] <mbt> or bzr status
[14:42] <james_w> mbt: the error traceback would be useful to see.
[14:42] <mbt> james_w: Is there a way to make it generate one?
[14:42] <mbt> It just shows the Errno 5 message.
[14:42] <james_w> mbt: bzr -Derror diff
[14:43] <mbt> james_w: http://pastebin.com/d1561bfcd
[14:46] <james_w> mbt: ok, so it's having some problems removing the lock.
[14:48] <mbt> Should I go ahead and file a bug, then?  I would presume that it is supposed to work on an NFS-mounted home, right, or is that outside of what bzr is expected to do?
[14:54] <james_w> mbt: is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/137387 it?
[14:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137387 in bzr "UserWarning: lock not released cluttering user output" [High,Triaged]
[14:56] <igc> morning
[14:56] <james_w> hi igc
[14:56] <mbt> james_w: It might be, but I am not sure.
[14:57] <mbt> james_w: Let me see if I can coax bzr into giving me more details
[14:57] <igc> hi james_w
[14:59] <james_w> igc: fast-import broke for me. I haven't had time to debug it yet.
[14:59] <igc> james_w: just send me the traceback
[14:59] <igc> I added tag support last night
[15:00] <igc> well, lightweight tags at least
[15:00] <igc> might be that?
[15:00] <mbt> Is there a way to generate a log file as is shown in that bug report, james_w?  I can't seem to find it.
[15:00] <james_w> igc: no, it was before that.
[15:00] <james_w> mbt: ~/.bzr.log
[15:01] <james_w> igc: it's bzr-fast-export | bzr fast-import on bzr.dev
[15:01] <bratsche> Is it possible with bzr to work with multiple branches out of one directory and switch between them, similar to git?
[15:01] <igc> james_w: ok, I'll try that. How far though was it previously?
[15:02] <bratsche> Or actually, I should just state what my problem is first and see if there is any better way to do what I'm doing in bzr:
[15:02] <james_w> igc: it did all bzr-fast-export could export.
[15:02] <james_w> igc: let me upload the dump for you.
[15:03] <bratsche> We have a pretty large codebase in bzr at work now, and each time I make a branch it takes a long time to branch the remote mainline to a local directory because it's pulling down all the source.
[15:03] <igc> bratsche: are you using a shared repository locally?
[15:04] <igc> it's highly recommended to do that
[15:04] <bratsche> No, the shared repo is on the server.
[15:04] <bratsche> Let me search for how to do a shared repo locally.
[15:04] <igc> bratsche: you definitely want a shared repo locally as well
[15:04] <mbt> it looks like that might be the bug... though the workaround in it does not work, and I still get problems... sigh
[15:04] <james_w> bratsche: a shared repository is just a way of sharing data between branches so you can do it anywhere.
[15:04] <igc> it's covered in the User Guide
[15:05] <bratsche> igc: Right now I do: bzr branch <remote-mainline> <remote-branch-url> ; bzr checkout <remote-branch-url>
[15:05] <james_w> bratsche: ouch
[15:05] <bratsche> igc, james_w: Awesome, thanks very much!  I'll search for how to set that up.
[15:05] <james_w> are remote-mainline and remote-branch-url sharing a shared repo?
[15:05] <bratsche> james_w: Yes.
[15:06] <james_w> igc: http://jameswestby.net/scratch/bzr-export.txt
[15:06] <james_w> though it is about 20MB, so you may prefer to just generate it locally.
[15:06] <igc> james_w: I'll generate it locally
[15:07] <igc> It's just bzr-fast-export.py bzr.dev, right?
[15:07] <james_w> yep.
[15:08] <Odd_Bloke> Afternoon.
[15:09] <bratsche> So I want to do like: bzr init-repo my-local-repo ; cd my-local-repo ; bzr branch <remote-mainline> ; bzr checkout <remote-mainline>
[15:09] <bratsche> To setup my local shared repo?
[15:09] <mbt> http://pastebin.com/d2f120d12 -- james_w, should I add that info to bug 137387?
[15:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137387 in bzr "UserWarning: lock not released cluttering user output" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137387
[15:09] <bratsche> And then when I create new branches, I would branch from the local repo?
[15:10] <james_w> hi Odd_Bloke
[15:11] <Odd_Bloke> bratsche: You only need to do one of branch or checkout there.
[15:11] <luks> bratsche: repositories are just an optimalization, you can ignore them and just use the workflow you had before
[15:11] <james_w> mbt: yeah probably
[15:11] <luks> but with a repo it won't download everything
[15:11] <james_w> mbt: if you could debug why these errors occur that would be great.
[15:11] <luks> because you already have the revisions
[15:12] <bratsche> So I create my repo, and just checkout <remote-mainline>?
[15:12] <Odd_Bloke> james_w: o/
[15:12] <Odd_Bloke> bratsche: Within the repo, yeah.
[15:13] <bratsche> Odd_Bloke: What about when someone else at work posts a branch on the server, and I want to switch over to view it?
[15:14] <luks> bratsche: switch the existing checkout?
[15:14] <luks> if so, 'bzr switch <other-remote-branch>'
[15:14] <bratsche> Okay, thanks.
[15:14] <Odd_Bloke> bratsche: Or you can checkout that branch into a different directory in the repository.
[15:14] <bratsche> I'd better go read some more about repos rather than ask all of this here.
[15:14] <bratsche> Sweet.
[15:15] <bratsche> Thanks everyone.
[15:16] <james_w> bratsche: there is also "bzr help repositories" that explains a little bit
[15:17] <mbt> james_w: I would love to help debug it, but I am not sure where I would even start on it.  I know next to nothing about file locking and filesystems.  All I really know at this point is that bzr on local reiserfs works perfectly, on nfsv4, it doesn't.
[15:20] <mb1> arrgh.
[15:21] <mbt> Was my last msg about reiserfs/nfs/etc received?
[15:21] <james_w> yeo
[15:22] <james_w> well I'm not sure if it's a locking problem in terms of flock() etc., or just the way that we are creating lockdirs
[15:22] <mbt> k wasn't sure if that actually got out before my client crashed lol
[15:22] <james_w> I don't know the lock code at all though I'm afriad.
[15:23] <mbt> Well, I can try to poke around it at some point this evening, but I have to finish setting up my network, because it's been restructured (which is actually how I found this issue lol).
[15:25] <spiv> jelmer: when is the 0.4.8 release? :)
[15:38] <awilkins> jelmer: Should be able to have another crack at building that binding on Friday
[15:38] <awilkins> jelmer: A bit busy until then.
[15:39] <jelmer> spiv: I'm trying to get it done before 1.3
[15:39] <jelmer> spiv: I hope to get the pyrex stuff in before then
[15:56] <ubotu> New bug: #203598 in bzr "Bzr should remember all locations and provide nicknames" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203598
[15:57] <spiv> jelmer: ah, ok.
[15:59] <spiv> jelmer: personally I'd probably release 0.4.8 without pyrex, and if you happen to make a 0.4.9 (or even 0.5.0...) with pyrex a week later, then that's fine.
[15:59] <spiv> jelmer: but I do sympathise with wanting to minimise churn
[16:08] <spiv> jelmer: would you like other people to test your pyrex branch, btw?
[16:14] <jelmer> spiv: well, there is one bug which still needs fixing
[16:14] <jelmer> spiv: do you have any pyrex experience?
[16:15] <spiv> jelmer: a little bit
[16:16] <jelmer> spiv: I'm trying to get pyrex to not return NULL from a cdef function when an exception is being raised
[16:16] <hsn_> can someone please tell me again command for changing branch into lightweight checkout?
[16:17] <james_w> hsn_: I think reconfigure can do it
[16:18] <jelmer> spiv: that's the main bit that's preventing the pyrex branch from working
[16:19] <hsn_> james_w: yes, thats right
[16:30] <ubotu> New bug: #203607 in bzr "bzr unable to upgrade pack-0.92 to rich-root-pack format" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203607
[16:34]  * lamont has a stupid-bzr question..
[16:34] <lamont> hrm..
[16:34] <lamont> nm
[16:36] <awilkins> The stupid-bzr plugin isn't compatible with the current bzr version I'm afraid
[17:30] <jam_> hmm.. that was a very long question
[17:30] <jam_> I seem to have missed it completely :)
[17:31] <dennda> Hey
[17:31] <dennda> I am just trying to branch a remote svn repository (over https)
[17:32] <dennda> bzr-svn is installed
[17:32] <dennda> this is the result: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/34207/
[17:35] <Odd_Bloke> jelmer: ^^^
[17:38] <james_w> dennda: can you try bzr branch svn+https://svn.example.com/myrepo
[17:49] <lifeless> moin
[17:49] <dennda> james_w: thanks, that works
[17:49] <dennda> james_w: but how to tell bzr how to push to that location?
[17:50] <dennda> nevermind
[17:50] <dennda> just figured it out
[17:50] <dennda> thanks
[18:03] <jelmer> dennda: see the FAQ
[18:04] <jelmer> dennda: never mind, I was reading backlog
[18:11] <ubotu> New bug: #203643 in bzr "'bzr status' crashes with MemoryError" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203643
[18:41] <lopio> hi
[18:42] <lopio> i'd like to propose bazaar instead of cvs but there are 2 question about it.Could you help me ?
[18:42] <james_w> sure
[18:44] <lopio> 1) it seems impossible to retag single files (example i need to create a package with old files labelled AAA and i want to add 2 files in HEAD)
[18:45] <james_w> lopio: sorry, I don't understand the question, could you explain it a little more please?
[18:45] <lopio> in CVS i'll extract old label AAA and i'll force a retag AAA on the 2 files
[18:45] <lopio> ok
[18:45] <luks> lopio: no, bzr doesn't have per-file tags
[18:46] <luks> (or per-file revisions, like cvs)
[18:47] <luks> in bzr you would normally branch of the tag AAA and then merge the changes to those 2 files from HEAD
[18:48] <lopio> i see luks but in this case i'll have a new branch forever
[18:49] <luks> is that a problem?
[18:50] <lopio> it is a problem when you have a schema with central repository....
[18:50] <james_w> lopio: if you want the old versions of two files then you can use revert to get them, and then commit to include them in your current HEAD
[18:50] <luks> well, tag in bzr applies to the whole tree
[18:51] <luks> so if you don't have such tree in your branch, you need to create it
[18:51] <lopio> ok
[18:51] <lopio> this is not a blocking problem -)
[18:51] <lopio> Now a real problem -(
[18:52] <luks> but generally you would have this problem with any VCS that isn't CVS
[18:52] <luks> I don't know of any other VCS that works on file basis
[18:52] <lopio> CVS is old but is able to manage CRLF
[18:53] <lopio> and this is a real problem for us
[18:53] <abentley> siretart: I'll try to have it out this evening.
[18:53] <lopio> we have a central CVS repository and we are able to co and commit in XP and HP both
[18:54] <lopio> this is because in CVS you have to specify -kb parameter when you add an exe file
[18:55] <lopio> in this way when you checkout under  XP a CR is added to files different from exe (and removed during commit)
[18:56] <james_w> lopio: we want to add support for line endings, but it is not done yet.
[18:57] <lopio> this is a strong limitation i think -((((((((((
[19:00] <lopio> It seems a marvellous versioning system so i hope some people could add this feature as soon as possible
[19:01] <lopio> keep up the good work!!! Thank you very much...see you later..bye
[19:05] <igc> james_w: fyi - fast-import is better now wrt renaming handling
[19:06] <igc> a bug still exists though
[19:06] <igc> it now gets a lot further on your bzr.dev export but not all the way through
[19:07] <igc> I'm moving onto some other stuff now so it might be a day or so before I get back to this
[20:01] <mamato_> anyone know of tool to completely remove files from my bzr history?
[20:02] <james_w> mamato_: no such tool exists yet I'm afraid.
[20:04] <mamato_> weird...
[20:07] <mwhudson> bzr strongly discourages rewriting history
[20:11] <mamato_> hmm... should have maybe sticked to rcs then :S
[20:12] <mwhudson> you might be able to use rebase, especially if the file hasn't changed much over history
[20:12]  * mamato_ strongly encourages cleaning up one's crap when needed
[20:13] <mwhudson> i guess we could have an argument about that
[20:13] <mwhudson> but i can't really be bothered
[20:17] <nevans> mamato_: the only compelling use-case I can see for changing history in a good VCS is when "sensitive" data has accidentally gotten into the repo
[20:17] <nevans> e.g. passwords
[20:23] <mamato_> i need versioning for personal code... i'm the only user... for the first project i used it, i realized that i had accidentally checked in tons of images which dont need versionning... couldn't back up my branch to the internet like i wanted... had to loose all my change history weeks after... if a 'good VCS' doesn't allow it, maybe that's not what i need...
[20:25] <mamato_> all i want is a 'useful vcs' that corresponds to my needs...
[20:25] <nDuff> mamato_, fastexport + edit + fastimport?
[20:25] <nDuff> mamato_, that's not entirely unlike the SVN methodology of dumping to XML to edit history.
[20:27] <james_w> nDuff: I expect there will be a tool to filter a fast-export stream at some point.
[20:27] <nevans> okay... wanting to trim disk usage in a personal-use only project... that's another compelling use-case.  ;-)
[20:28] <nevans> (I don't deal with personal-use projects much... except for /etc and ~/ )
[20:29]  * mamato_ can't find fastexport info on google :S
[20:30]  * mamato_ found fastimport!
[20:30] <nDuff> mamato_, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2008q1/038391.html
[20:31] <nDuff> mamato_, ...not saying that's the most current location.
[20:31] <nevans> it looks like git already has a tool for filtering fast-export streams: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git-core/docs/git-filter-branch.html
[20:33] <nDuff> nevans, looks to me like you'd need to actually import the stream into a git repository to use that. Which, granted, wouldn't be the end of the world.
[20:35] <mamato_> nevans: thx for the info...
[20:38] <mamato_> i hear git is quite nice too... will look into it more closely... except for this, have had good experience with bzr though :(
[20:51] <mamato_> how do you .bzrignore some sub-directories?
[20:51] <spiv> mamato_: have you seen http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/user-guide/index.html#ignoring-files ?
[20:52] <mamato_> yep
[20:52] <mamato_> but didn't find info
[20:55] <mamato_> spiv? it only deals with ignoring files... not directories... and specifying directory doesn't seem to work
[20:57] <spiv> mamato_: hmm, I'd expect ingoring a directory to work
[20:58] <spiv> mamato_: it seems to work as I'd expect for me: http://rafb.net/p/nyFWyY31.html
[21:01] <spiv> mamato_: perhaps you've already added the file?  "bzr ignore" won't ignore a file that's already versioned.
[21:01] <NfNitLoop> I regularly ignore directories.
[21:01] <spiv> mamato_: so you may need to use "bzr rm --keep" on those files.
[21:01] <mwhudson> damn, i wish i had a spare time machine so i could work on bzr's graph operations
[21:01]  * spiv -> afk
[21:04] <mamato_> weird... your test case works but doesnt work with my branch... and not already versioned... going back to figuring it out...
[21:05] <mamato_> ah... parent dir (whihc i want to ignore) IS versionned... makes sense...
[21:27] <spiv> jelmer: I think for the exceptions returning NULL issue you want "cdef int spam() except -1:" (http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/greg.ewing/python/Pyrex/version/Doc/Manual/basics.html#ExceptionValues)
[22:07] <ubotu> New bug: #198092 in bzr "Should tell the user to run bzr launchpad-login before push lp:" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198092
[22:07] <jelmer> spiv: that doesn't work, since an SVN error is a pointer
[22:08] <jelmer> spiv: pyrex only supports "except NULL" but NULL in this case actually is the only return value that means there's no error
[22:13] <AfC> jelmer: got a sec
[22:14] <AfC> ?
[22:17] <james_w> hi AfC
[22:20]  * AfC waves
[22:39] <lifeless> jelmer: don't try to use the same function for two different protocols then :)
[22:40] <lifeless> jelmer: the one directly exposed to python _must_ use the python conventions - return NULL -> there is an error set
[22:40] <lifeless> jelmer: you probably need to wrap the svn_ra functions with ones that invert the return code to do what you need
[22:41] <jelmer> AfC: hi
[22:41] <jelmer> lifeless: hi
[22:42] <jelmer> I already have one level of indirection - I register a pyrex callback that can calls a python function
[22:43] <AfC> jelmer: I know we almost talked about this the other day, but I was wondering if you have any [further] specific insight into whether or not two different people with different Subversion account names could use a bzr-svn branch once created?
[22:44] <AfC> jelmer: ie, it took me the better part of 9 days to create a bzr-svn branch of GTK. I'd like to share that with someone else to save that being (through no fault of bzr-svn's) someone's first impression of Bazaar
[22:44] <lifeless> AfC: you can share that just fine
[22:45] <lifeless> AfC: the svn account name is not part of the created bzr branch
[22:45] <AfC> but obviouly they have a different [ssh] account to talk to GNOME's Subversion repository, so if I either a) publish the resultant Bazaar branch, or b) tarball the branch + repository
[22:45] <AfC> and pass it to someone, whether or not it would work
[22:45] <jelmer> AfC: Yes, two people with the same name could share a bzr-svn branch
[22:45] <AfC> jelmer: different usernames
[22:46] <jelmer> AfC: yes, no problemo
[22:46] <AfC> jelmer: ah. AWESOME
[22:46] <AfC> Then I shall get us hosting a series of such branches as a community service.
[22:47] <poolie> good morning
[22:47] <AfC> jelmer: so I assume all that will have to happen is that when it comes time for them to commit and push back to the upstream Subversion repo is to do
[22:48] <AfC> jelmer: bzr push --remember<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:48] <AfC> jelmer: and they'll be all set
[22:48] <jelmer> AfC: yep
[22:48] <AfC> Beautiful
[22:48] <jelmer> AfC: Hopefully shallow branches can help avoid the long time it takes to get an initial branch
[22:48] <jelmer> lifeless: What's the status on shallow branches?
[22:48] <AfC> It was interesting to hear Carl report his experience that:
[22:49] <AfC> "The *moment* I see a Subversion URL from someone, even before I think I might want to hack on it, I just feed it to git-svn and let it run on a server, because I know it'll take forever, but eventually it'll be done and I'll have a branch to use from Git if I want to"
[22:50] <AfC> (And they do then share those around, which also gave me the idea of seeing if we could too. Awesome)
[22:50] <jelmer> AfC: 9 days seems like a lot of time, btw
[22:50] <hsn_> what kind of storage is more resistent to corruption? packs or knits and what kind of storage has better recovery tools?
[22:50] <jelmer> I also have a gtk+ trunk import here, and afaik it took less than a day
[22:51] <AfC> (well, I had intermittent network access and a not-svn-HEAD to deal with)
[22:51] <lifeless> hsn_: packs
[22:51] <lifeless> jelmer: they work but not with the smart server
[22:52] <lifeless> jelmer: I'm fixing the root issue preventing them working with the smart server at the moment
[22:52] <awilkins> Go-go shallow branches!
[22:53] <awilkins> Also go go pyrex bindings
[22:53] <jelmer> lifeless: ah, cool
[22:58] <lifeless> jelmer: which is the versionedfiles rework
[22:58] <lifeless> jelmer: because you need to be able to stack on historical data
[22:59] <lifeless> poolie: status for me -> versionedfiles at full steam
[23:00] <poolie> toot toot!
[23:00] <poolie> enjoy
[23:08] <jml> I just tried to branch a Subversion branch into a pack repo and got this: bzr: ERROR: Repository KnitPackRepository('file:///home/jml/Code/Pimlico/jana/.bzr/repository/') is not compatible with repository SvnRepository('http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/jana')
[23:08] <jml> I'm using bzr-svn trunk and Bazaar 1.2
[23:09] <awilkins> jml: You need rich-root-pack
[23:10] <jml> awilkins: that in 1.2?
[23:10] <awilkins> jml: Was in .092 AFAIK
[23:10] <awilkins> 0.92
[23:11]  * jml tries
[23:12] <jml> OK. Now I'm getting SubversionException: ("PROPFIND request failed on '/repos/jana/branches/jana'", 175002). This is odd, because I can check it out just fine with the svn client
[23:13] <awilkins> jml: Is it a password protected repo?
[23:13] <jml> awilkins: no.
[23:13] <jml> awilkins: or, at least, it's not protected for reading.
[23:13] <awilkins> Are you using a release or the tip of a branch (of bzr-svn)
[23:14] <jml> awilkins: tip of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jelmer/bzr-svn/trunk/
[23:15] <awilkins> I've never used that..... try the 0.4.8 branch
[23:16] <awilkins> I presume you've installed patched bindings, etc?
[23:17] <jml> I'm fairly sure I have.
[23:18] <jml> maybe I'll try the packaged version.
[23:18] <jelmer> bzr-svn will give you a warning if you're not using the patched bindings
[23:38] <jml> jelmer: so, any ideas?
[23:38] <lifeless> jml: whats a jana?
[23:39] <jelmer> jml: have you tried the 0.4.8 branch?
[23:39] <jml> jelmer: no, I'll have a look at that.
[23:39] <jml> lifeless: it's apparently a japanese word. the project is the openedhand guys' new calendar thingummy
[23:40]  * awilkins thinks of Jana of the Jungle
[23:55] <lifeless> fingers crossed, step 1 may be done. whew.
[23:59] <poolie> lifeless: call me sometime today, at your convenience


[04:37] <guiverc> Thanks Bashing-om, I tried a number of times yesterday to write summaries, but couldn't concentrate & got nowhere.. Just home from range, got my chocki milk (treat) & it look all done.  Thanks
[04:39] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I too could not focus on summeries yesterday :) And Yeah, if you agree as to what I think of as duplicates - we are done with Gdoc.
[04:40] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Note that I did add some articles this day/ proof reading is a good thing :P
[04:41] <guiverc> I'll still read thru everything...   (I think I made two comments last 10-15 mins... but I'll read thru next few hours..; almost bird feed, I'll then lie down awhile & proof-read..)
[04:57] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Sound like the plan :)
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