[00:00] <crimsun> well, i recommend you proceed with an SRU once it has received some testing in jaunty
[00:00] <daradib> ok
[00:01] <daradib> correction: according to upstream, it looks very close to version currently in 8.10 (one-lined upstream changelog in fact)
[00:02] <daradib> thanks
[02:03] <crimsun> persia: is bug 43825 still reproducible for you on a supported release or the current devel version?
[04:01] <Lupine> should this be a WishList: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/310833
[04:04] <crimsun> Lupine: yes, and i've triaged it
[04:04] <Lupine> ty
[04:38] <persia> crimsun, I could crash intrepid that way a month ago (as noted in my last comment).  Do you really need me to crash it again now?
[04:40] <crimsun> persia: not right this moment, but likely sometime in the next couple weeks. it's on my TODO.
[04:40] <persia> crimsun, On reflection, I strongly suspect that it's related to the vast number of different subsystems that look for various special keys, and expect it to be fixed with the rationalisation in jaunty: that said, I wonder if it's a semantic issue, that "exclusive" isn't blocking the events from appearing elsewhere (kernel may show things in different ways)
[04:41] <persia> (because that system behaves like that when I try to "suspend" as well)
[04:44] <persia> Hrm?  You need me to crash again in the next couple weeks?  What information are you trying to collect, beyond that intrepid suffers from this issue?
[04:46] <crimsun> persia: jaunty will be my primary focus
[04:47] <persia> OK.  When I am in "exclusive" mode, should that block access by things like acpi-utils, X, etc?
[04:48] <crimsun> it should, but X is hairy
[04:49] <persia> heh.  OK.  I'll get that system to jaunty, and crash it, and determine which key(s) cause the unresponsiveness then.
[04:50] <crimsun> i'll work at upstream's 20081014-101501 and see if something can be twiddled locally to reproduce it
[07:33] <itnet7> Bug #311059 , Can someone please mark this "Wishlist", I need to get to bed, but don't want to forget to ask
[07:33] <itnet7> Thanks!
[07:33]  * Ryan52 looks
[07:34] <sekyourbox> whas there a major kernel change in ubuntu in the past few days?  I'm getting checksum failures in Tiger...
[07:34] <Ryan52> itnet7: set status: triaged, importance: wishlist...thanks!
[07:35] <itnet7>  Ryan52: Thanks a lot!!
[07:35] <itnet7> gnight all
[07:36] <maco> sekyourbox: what version of ubuntu?
[07:38] <sekyourbox> Ubuntu 8.04.2 \n \l
[07:39] <maco> 2.6.24-23 came out in november
[07:39] <maco> sekyourbox: ^
[07:39] <sekyourbox> oh
[07:40] <maco> dpkg -l linux*
[07:40] <maco> read through that (dont paste it here)
[07:40] <maco> what do you have? linux-ubuntu-modules? linux-backports-modules?
[07:41] <sekyourbox> okay, sorry I'm slow.  2.6.24-23-generic
[07:41] <sekyourbox> actually lost my mail from tiger, trying to find exact error
[07:42] <maco> no i mean, do you have both of those?
[07:42] <maco> or just one? or neither?
[07:42] <maco> oh, linux-restricted-modules?
[07:43] <sekyourbox> linux-restrict, linux-ubuntu,
[07:44] <sekyourbox> bunch
[07:44] <sekyourbox> would you like to know the ver or something?
[07:45] <sekyourbox> no backports module
[07:45] <maco> linux-ubuntu-modules last updated dec 3
[07:47] <sekyourbox> k, thanks. I'll investigate
[07:47] <maco> linux-restricted-modules was updated on the 17th
[07:47] <maco> so a week ago
[07:47] <maco> that recent enough?
[07:48] <maco> that one's only in -proposed though
[07:48] <jmarsden> sekyourbox: If you think you installed something, maybe look at /var/log/dpkg.log too?
[07:48] <maco> if it's giving you issues, report a bug. things dont get released from -proposed if there are regression bugs filed against them
[07:51] <maco> sekyourbox: here's where you can see what changed in l-r-m: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24
[07:54] <sekyourbox> Okay, i guess this is nothing new with tiger. I have read back in september, I was getting the same errors.
[07:55] <sekyourbox> looks something like this.  Installed file `/lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/modules.ieee13
[07:55] <sekyourbox> 94map' checksum differs from installed package 'linux-image-2.6.24-19-generic'.
[07:55] <sekyourbox> sorry for the big paste
[07:57] <jmarsden> sekyourbox: Tiger is pretty useless if you don't read its output and act on it... ;)  So, the question is, did you update your kernel in September?  if so, that is what changed these modules, most likely.
[07:58] <sekyourbox> ;)
[07:58] <sekyourbox> indeed
[07:59] <jmarsden> You may be able to look in /var/log/dpkg.log for anything with ;inux- in it around the time you first saw these messages?
[07:59] <jmarsden> anything with   linux-    that should have been.
[08:08] <sekyourbox> Thanks for the help...
[08:08] <jmarsden> No problem.
[14:32] <bddebian> Boo
[22:26] <MrKanister> Can someone please set bug #564029 to "wishlist"? Thanks in advance.
[22:26] <MrKanister> hm...wrong number... bug #311208
[22:36] <Ryan52> MrKanister: done
[22:37] <MrKanister> Ryan52: Thank you


[01:58] <dobey> ralsina: it's quite large, and has a huge bezel it would appear. and dpi is about the same as a 1080p 22". not something i'd buy, but if it's actually IPS, and only $250, then at least it's not a bad price for that.
[08:50] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, folks! :)
[13:03] <rye> mandel: i have to restart bip
[15:00] <rockstar> me
[15:00] <briancurtin> me
[15:00] <mvo> me
[15:01] <mmcc> me
[15:01] <rockstar> I think there are a ton of us on holiday and the sprint.
[15:02] <briancurtin> yeah i think thats everyone
[15:02] <rockstar> DONE: Fetching artists and albums from the rest api
[15:02] <rockstar> TODO: The rest of the rest api
[15:02] <rockstar> BLOCKED: No
[15:02] <rockstar> NEXT: briancurtin
[15:03] <briancurtin> DONE: got certs working from a local file, looked into metadata issue that's causing SD to hang in local rescan
[15:03] <briancurtin> TODO: test on VMs that the cert fix is good, clean it up a bit more
[15:03] <briancurtin> NEXT: mvo
[15:03] <mvo> DONE: upload new dbus-python with fix for top crasher #846044 into quantal-proposed, more playing with sqlite instead of xapian for the lens, lp:~mvo/newark/ubuntu-nexus7-installer-small-tweaks, a bit ubiquity sso poking and reading "ubiquity installer" spec for u1 design work hints
[15:03] <mvo> next mmcc
[15:03] <mmcc> DONE: reviews, tests for pyobjc menu using mock
[15:03] <mmcc> TODO: more menu
[15:03] <mmcc> BLOK: no
[15:03] <mmcc> comments anyone?
[15:04] <mmcc> wait, did we miss dobey
[15:04] <mvo> and ralsina was also around a bit earlier
[15:04] <ralsina> I am here but in an unofficial manner
[15:04] <ralsina> IOW airports are boring
[15:05] <mvo> haha
[15:07] <dobey> oops
[15:07] <dobey> DONE: team call, pyflakes tarball for buildout, branch landing, bug triage
[15:07] <dobey> TODO: reviews
[15:07] <dobey> BLCK: None.
[15:25] <dobey> mmcc: can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-control-panel/lint-roller/+merge/131079 again now, as the other branches have landed? :)
[15:28] <dobey> hurricane in november? wtf? :(
[15:36] <mmcc> dobey, reviewing that now, sorry was afk for a sec
[15:48] <mmcc> dobey, that branch needs an import tweak in controlpanel.backend to work with the sso lint-roller branch
[15:48] <mmcc> the whole thing is in the mp comment, but it's just ubuntu_sso.utils.webclient.common instead of ubuntu_sso.utils.webclient
[15:54] <dobey> eh? i thought i fixed those
[15:55] <dobey> oh, i did; but forgot to commit/push them
[15:56] <dobey> mmcc: pushed now
[15:56] <mmcc> ok, checking again
[15:58] <mmcc> what I wouldn't give for a xvfb-alike. a lot of these tests steal keyboard focus…
[16:00] <mmcc> +1 dobey
[16:02] <dobey> mmcc: are the qt display backends not pluggable or something? ie, is it not possible to run tests with the X backend and use xvfb on osx to run the control-panel/sso/etc tests?
[16:03] <mmcc> dobey - good question. I don't know. I think I'd need to have a separate build of qt
[16:04] <dobey> if we could just have one build of qt with both backends to switch between, we could then probably use xvfb
[16:05] <dobey> we could probably also do the same on win32 if it's possible to have a single build of qt with the display backend just being a plug-in that we can specify in some way
[16:06] <mmcc> hrm, when I was looking at the qt code, I didn't get the impression that it was pluggable like that…
[16:06] <mmcc> lots of #ifdefs for platform-specific behavior
[16:07] <dobey> hrmm
[16:07] <dobey> anyway, i guess i should go get lunch. bbiab
[17:43] <dobey> oi
[17:47] <mmcc> back, had to set up new uverse dsl box. It's actually a different model, so I'm hoping that means it works better
[18:00] <briancurtin> mmcc: is this icon expected? http://i.imgur.com/kUP9E.png (bottom right, obv)
[18:01] <mmcc> that macvim icon is definitely not expected
[18:01] <chaselivingston> briancurtin: i think a restart will fix that
[18:01] <mmcc> briancurtin what kind of mac do you have?
[18:02] <briancurtin> whatever name stands for 10.7.5
[18:02] <mmcc> that icon could mean that the os decided you can't run the app, but that should only be if you're on 10.5 or a 32-bit mac
[18:02] <mmcc> I meant hardware, is it 32-bit only (core duo instead of core 2 duo or later?)
[18:02] <briancurtin> its core 2 duo, its the black plastic macbook non-pro
[18:03] <mmcc> huh. what happens when you try to run it?
[18:03] <briancurtin> it runs fine
[18:03] <chaselivingston> mmcc: i've seen other apps do that, not sure what causes it, but a restart usually fixes it
[18:03] <mmcc> oh I see it in the background there :)
[18:03] <briancurtin> i'll try the restart. i thought maybe that was an indicator that the app hadn't been approved, since it ends up asking you if you wish to run it since it was downloaded from the internet
[18:03] <mmcc> does that icon show up if you open the Applications folder in the finder?
[18:04] <mmcc> restarting is against my religion
[18:04] <briancurtin> ah, it does not
[18:04] <mmcc> some weird dock icon cache bug then, I guess
[18:04] <briancurtin> restarting is my religion (lol windows)
[18:04] <briancurtin> yeah, nothing to worry about then, although i guess if i follow my religion it'll work, just like every other windows problem
[18:05] <mmcc> could always open the activity monitor and kill the "Dock" process
[18:05] <mmcc> it'll auto-restart
[18:05] <briancurtin> and there we go. magic
[18:06] <mmcc> hooray
[18:19] <mmcc> weird, I think I found a shortcoming in python-mock. I couldn't figure out how to do the equivalent of self.patch(SomeClass, 'some_method', lambda self, blah: self)
[18:21] <mmcc> with mock, you can patch some_method, replacing it with a Mock object, then tell that Mock object to return something when it's called by assigning a function that returns something to the mock object's side_effect property, but then that side_effect function is not passed 'self'.
[18:22] <mmcc> I needed to do this to work around the self=super().init(); return self idiom in objc. I can't call super().init() in a test (it relies on a built bundle), and I can't have it return anything other than self (so, can't return a mock, for instance).
[18:23] <mmcc> anyway, self.patch still works so on to the next thing
[18:27] <dobey> brb, gotta run for a few
[18:58] <mmcc> argh, all that was unnecessary because apparently a pyobjc init won't return null even if the docs say it will? ugh
[19:02] <dobey> hrmm
[19:30] <mmcc> oh for crying out loud, new uverse box didn't fix it, already been down for one minute in the last 12 minutes
[19:30] <mmcc> can't wait to get back on the phone with AT&T
[19:31] <dobey> fun
[19:31] <mmcc> yeah…
[19:31] <briancurtin> is at&t your only option? comcast is garbage but seems to be the best, at least around here
[19:32] <dobey> no fios?
[19:37] <mmcc> well, we like the uverse tv service… when it works.
[19:37] <mmcc> I was going to go see if fios was available last time you mentioned it but then my internet died :(
[19:39] <dobey> heh :(
[19:40] <mmcc> not served by verizon
[19:45] <mmcc> ok, time for lunch. We're going out, so might be a little long.


[13:45] <odilon> 010171vapo
[20:18] <yorwos> Hi all , i have a hardware question if any1 happens to know plz. I use an external soundcard for  recording audio (mobo sound off from bios). Is there any advantages on connecting the cards spdif in/out with the mobo directly ?
[20:21] <yorwos> got my answer ok ty


[02:22] <Cheri703> so Unit193, I'm watching haven, and basically, eureka = small town, weird things happen, but are caused by science; haven = small town, weird things happen, but are caused by "the problems" or whatever supernatural whatnot
[02:24] <Unit193> Sounds about right. The people have "gifts"
[02:24] <Cheri703> yeah...
[02:24] <Unit193> I'm guessing you have seen X-Files?
[02:25] <Cheri703> but such a similar thing, law enforcement officer from out of town comes, stays, becomes local law enforcement officer, investigates weird things, helps solve them and help townspeople
[02:25] <Cheri703> here and there
[02:27] <Unit193> So, what do you think?
[02:27] <Cheri703> it's ok, I like eureka better
[02:53] <Cheri703> "the troubles" that was it
[02:53] <Unit193> It only has one season :\
[02:57] <Unit193> Cheri703: Did you even find anything on the Mansfield LUG?
[02:57]  * Cheri703 may not have looked
[02:57]  * Cheri703 has been busy/stressed lately :/
[02:59] <Unit193> I'm looking into my logs to see how to summarize what's going on in C-bus....
[02:59] <Cheri703> ?
[03:00] <Unit193> The April 30th thing....
[03:01] <Cheri703> ah, "state-wide ubuntu gathering" ? something like that? I dunno
[03:02] <Unit193> It's just all the relocos getting into one place, correct?
[03:02] <Cheri703> as far as I know
[03:06]  * Unit193 just sent a message to my friend about it
[03:31] <dmcglone> Hi  all
[03:31] <Unit193> Hey dmcglone!
[03:31] <dmcglone> what ya doing?
[03:31] <Cheri703> yo
[03:32] <Unit193> Nothing really...
[03:32] <dmcglone> I just got done watching the hockey game
[04:13] <dmcglone> Is it always this quiet in here?
[04:13] <Unit193> Yeah.. you should pick it up!
[04:14] <Unit193> Not always
[04:14] <dmcglone> lol it seems lately the responsibilities of this group has landed squarely on my shoulders... LOL
[04:15] <dmcglone> everybody is fired. ;-)
[04:15] <Unit193> ok, I'm good with that ;)
[04:15] <dmcglone> your not
[04:15] <dmcglone> I have appointed you king of the room
[04:16] <Unit193> Ohhhh, Do I get one of those crowns?? (like ChanServ?)
[04:17] <dmcglone> Sure, if you can figure out how to hack it and take it :-)
[04:18] <Unit193> Just today I put "Unit 193 is King" as the ERI for dads phone :D
[04:44]  * Cheri703 is back around
[04:45] <BiosElement> Yay heh
[04:45] <Cheri703> so this week is shaping up to be better than last week (which is not really hard), but it's good :)
[15:29] <thafreak> Morning Ohio
[15:30] <thafreak> canthus13: quick, gimme a couple decent smaller live cd distros that are easily customizable, and allow you to keep changes on like a usb stick...
[15:30] <thafreak> I know tinycore you can do this...but I'm not sure how easily customizable it is
[15:31] <thafreak> the other one I know about is system rescue cd...which is actually pretty nice...
[15:32] <thafreak> but it's gentoo based, so you can't just throw extra packages in the squashfs...
[15:32] <thafreak> and don't tell me damn vulnerable either :)
[18:49] <canthus13> thafreak: Sorry. Wasn't around to be quick. Umm... Depends on what you want, really. grml is debian based and modifiable, I think.
[19:16] <thafreak> as long as it's modifiable...and can save stuff to a usb stick (like a unionfs type deal), then it should be good
[19:22] <thafreak> oh wait, I guess you were asking if I was looking for like a gui desktop livecd...no
[19:23] <thafreak> i want to boot an old pc as a sort of ssh entry point at a customer's location
[19:29] <canthus13> thafreak: grml is perfect. it's cli-oriented.
[19:33] <thafreak> cool, downloading iso now