[01:58] <shtylman> cjwatson: on lucid I am logged in for the virtual terminals, but if I log out of kde, I can not log back in. This can be fixed by uncommenting
[01:58] <shtylman> "AutoLoginAgain=true"
[01:58] <shtylman> in the kdmrc file
[02:02] <shtylman> I commented on the bug with the above info
[03:19] <shtylman> cjwatson: quick question about preseeding. If I preeseed ubiquity will those steps still show up in the installer and just be filled in? Also, is there no way to specify a preseed file in the live cd session after it has been booted? I would like to avoid mastering my own cd. I quick glance at the preseed howto seemed to indicate that I would need to master my own cd or use the auto stuff with the file over the network
[15:15] <CIA-15> usb-creator: superm1 * r251 usb-creator/ (5 files in 4 dirs):
[15:15] <CIA-15> usb-creator: When setting the no persistence flag (-n), don't offer changing
[15:15] <CIA-15> usb-creator: persistence in the UI. There's generally a good reason it's being
[15:15] <CIA-15> usb-creator: disabled in the first place.
[15:16] <superm1> rgreening, that's what we were talking about (at UDS I think?) ^
[15:17] <rgreening> ya
[15:17] <rgreening> cool
[15:22] <rgreening> superm1: does this work for kde, gtk and windows frontend
[15:23] <superm1> rgreening, i did it for gtk and kde frontends
[15:23] <rgreening> cool
[15:23] <rgreening> :)
[15:23] <superm1> i'm not familiar with the code on the windows frontend at all
[15:23] <rgreening> ok
[15:24] <rgreening> evand can take care of (im not familiar with that either)
[15:24] <rgreening> :)
[15:24] <superm1> i dont think it supports that command line option
[15:24] <rgreening> maybe not, so no worries


[00:02] <akgraner> internalkernel, holstein are either of you all around
[01:22]  * nigelb waves
[01:27]  * YoBoY wave back
[02:06] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: yes that's a bit more, thanks.
[03:22] <Pendulum> akgraner: do you need a hand with anything?
[03:23] <akgraner> just adding a few last things :-)
[03:24] <akgraner> Do you want to look over the wiki?
[03:25] <Pendulum> sure, I can take a look to see if anything jumps out at me
[03:25] <akgraner> Pendulum, I'm in the wiki right now - give just sec and I'll be out of it
[03:29] <akgraner> Pendulum, I'm out of it now...
[03:34] <akgraner> crap crap crap  - I forgot the podcasts grrrr
[03:35] <akgraner> thank goodness for checklists :-)
[03:36] <Pendulum> heh
[03:36] <Pendulum> I'm not in the wiki, just looking at it so feel free to go in (just let me know if you do and when you're out)
[03:38] <Pendulum> akgraner: are you in the wiki?
[03:38] <akgraner> I'm out
[03:55] <Pendulum> I'm out
[03:56] <akgraner> Thanks!
[04:03] <zkriesse> woot
[04:46] <akgraner> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here:
[04:46] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue202
[05:17] <holstein> sorry akgraner :/
[05:18] <akgraner> holstein, for???
[05:18] <akgraner> you did great today
[05:18] <holstein> i missed your ping earlier
[05:18] <holstein> i was on the gig by then
[05:18] <akgraner> no worries it's all good :-)
[05:18] <holstein> yeah, i see it went out
[05:18] <holstein> :)
[05:28] <akgraner> Thanks for another awesome week you all! Vverything thing has been posted and we are ready for a new week in Ubuntu News - Thanks agian!
[05:28] <akgraner> Here are the links for working on next weeks issue:
[05:28] <akgraner> etherpad for adding summaries -  http://ietherpad.com/UWN
[05:28] <akgraner> etherpad for adding links and titles only - http://ietherpad.com/UWN-Ideas
[05:28] <akgraner> googledoc - https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdKZelXU8Y2LZGNrcHRkYmhfODlkODNxNnRnZA&hl=en
[05:28] <akgraner> wiki page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue203
[05:29] <akgraner> ok I am out of here  - I am not sure how much I will be online during the week as OSCON is usually pretty busy for me  - but I will do my best to get some stuff posted so everyone can work on stuff before Sunday :-)
[05:29] <holstein> laterx akgraner :)
[05:30] <holstein> have fun
[05:30] <akgraner> holstein, laters :-)  I gotta pack now - and leave for the airport at 3am :-/
[05:31] <holstein> w0w
[05:31] <holstein> safe travels
[05:32] <akgraner> thanks!
[14:32] <akgraner> hey fridge editors can someone add this to the Fridge  - remember to add the Forums link before posting to the planet  - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-July/000739.html
[14:32] <akgraner> I am about to get on a plane or I would add it - thanks y'all!
[14:33] <akgraner> Also Daniel added a summary of dholbach added a summary of Dev Week to the UWN Issue 203 wiki - can someone grab that as well and add it to the Fridge?
[14:33] <akgraner> If not I'll work on these when I land...
[15:13] <scott_ev> akgraner: why didn't the emea list it's new members?
[15:47] <Pendulum> scott_ev: the EMEA doesn't generally put together the sort of list that I know the Americas (and I assume Asia/Oceania) do
[15:52] <scott_ev> Pendulum: OK, thanks
[16:21] <nhandler> akgraner: DMB story is up. I'll do the other later (if nobody beats me to it)


[00:00] <bazhang> trudell, no, I mean what irc client are you using; quassel, xchat, irssi, or some other
[00:01] <trudell> now i'm using konversation, convencional
[00:02] <trudell> but if have better client program i can change
[00:02] <bazhang> trudell, okay, its been a long time since I used Konversation, they have some online documents you can consult I suppose. I use the more modern kde4 version irc client quassel
[00:03] <trudell> bazhang: so quassel is better?
[00:04] <trudell> bazhang: well, i will change. can i create a channel and be op and control the moderation like hre?
[00:05] <bazhang> trudell, sure, but you dont need to change irc clients to do that. ask in #freenode how to create your own channels
[00:09] <trudell> can you answer to me there?
[00:10] <bazhang> trudell, join the channel first
[00:11] <trudell> bazhang: I do not want to bore you. If you are busy i come another day.
[00:17] <james147> rtdos: why a telnet server? you should consider using an ssh server instead
[01:06] <lkp> hi, i have an acer aspire one d255 running kubuntu 10.04. the sound does not work. can someone plz help?
[01:10] <avihay> Hi, anyone knows how to fix kate's autocomplete?
[01:14] <rtdos> james147: it's for my local network only with no outside internet access.
[01:18] <james147> rtdos: still, ssh isnt really anymore complex to setup,
[01:19] <rtdos> just set the ports, correct, james147?
[01:21] <james147> rtdos: with ssh, all you need to do is install the server (openssh-server) and start the service (sudo start sshd  (or ssh)) then type "ssh <ip address of server>" on the client
[01:22] <rtdos> that's it ? thanks i'll check it out now.
[01:34] <Guest83141> kjk
[02:57] <raul> hi
[03:00] <raul> 4.5 and 4.6 are exactly the same thing
[03:04] <raul> alguien me puede decir para que carajo sirve esto
[03:04] <shane4ubuntu> !es | raul
[03:05] <raul> ah listo
[03:25] <rtdos> how can i find out which desktops i have installed and how to launch them? i have a friend who uses text based login and thinks he installed several different desktops but he is not sure which ones or how to launch them.
[04:35] <nikhil_> can someone help me out with the power scheme not changing when one plugs in/unplugs a charger? something to do with acpi?
[05:21] <Rask> Hey all.  I'm running into an issue of mindblowing flicker trying to use Kubuntu... googling has led me to the issue with nVidia cards and powermizer, but it's telling me to put some lines in /etc/modprobe.d/options, a file which does not exist in 10.04.
[05:21] <Rask> http://www.ubuntusolutions.org/2009/02/screen-flickering-with-nvidia-on-ubuntu.html
[05:21] <Rask> I tried sticking them into flickerfix.conf per an ubuntu wiki article I found, but the flicker problem still exists and I've no way to tell whether it's because the lines weren't picked up or because they were and didn't help.
[05:22] <Rask> Anyone have any ideas?  This is the sixth time in a decade or so that I've said "this is it, I'm going to do it, I'm going to become a linux user" and every single time I've run into a debilitating issue that keeps me on Windows, and I'm really starting to believe I'm cursed. :(
[05:44] <Rask> ...Anyone?
[05:44] <Rask> This is seriously driving me nuts.  There are other solutions that seem to achieve the same end that involve editing xorg.conf, but... of course, there is no xorg.conf anymore.
[06:00] <Daskreech> Rask: hi
[06:00] <Daskreech> Rask: If you just make a xorg.conf it will read from it
[06:01] <Rask> Yeah, but I can't figure how to make that fix work... it requires inserting a line into a paragraph that's already talking about your video card
[06:02] <Rask> the xorg.conf fix looks more questionable than the modprobe one anyway... can we look back at that one?  Basically I'm trying to add a couple 'option' lines to /etc/modprobe.d/options or its equivalent in 10.04.  I'm led to understand by the manpage that the equivalent thing here is just to create any old .conf file in /etc/modprobe.d/ so I've done this but it doesn't appear to work.  Is there a way to know whether the files have been read proper
[06:13] <Daskreech> Rask: What's inside of modprobe.d ?
[06:14] <Rask> alsa-base.conf, a bunch of blacklist*.conf files, and my seemingly not-working nvidia.conf
[06:39] <Cory69> hello
[06:41] <Daskreech> Rask: Sorry back and forth
[06:41] <Daskreech> what's in nvidia?
[06:42] <Rask> http://www.ubuntusolutions.org/2009/02/screen-flickering-with-nvidia-on-ubuntu.html
[06:42] <Rask> The lines in there
[06:42] <Rask> but
[06:42] <FloodBotK1> Rask: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:42] <Rask> This just in, I am apparently not using a driver called nvidia.
[06:42] <Rask> ... Okay, wasn't flooding.  >.>;
[06:43] <Rask> Anyway, I installed nvidia-current and tried to modprobe it, and it said "no such device".
[06:43] <Rask> Which is somewhat confusing, because I know (and lspci knows) that I do have an nVidia card.
[06:43] <Daskreech> lsmod
[06:44] <Rask> What am I looking for?
[06:44] <Daskreech> nvidia
[06:44] <Rask> Not there
[06:44] <Daskreech> or nv
[06:44] <Rask> Not there either
[06:44] <Daskreech> pastebin please
[06:45] <Rask> There is "nouveau", which I'm led to understand is the open-source nvidia driver
[06:45] <Daskreech> ah yes it is
[06:45] <Rask> I can't really pastebin, I'm on a different compy here and on a text terminal there
[06:45] <Daskreech> is that text terminal connected to the internet?
[06:46] <Daskreech> apt-get install pastebinit
[06:46] <Rask> Well, I -can-, but it's highly cumbersome :)  If you still need it, I guess I can do it, but it's not to be treated lightly (:
[06:46] <Daskreech> lsmod | pastebinit
[06:46] <Rask> hm, interesting
[06:46] <Daskreech> it will upload it to pastebin for you
[06:47] <Daskreech> very few things are really cumbersome :)
[06:47] <Rask> Oh poo.
[06:47] <Daskreech> It's noveau in anycase
[06:47] <Rask> Heavy load warnng
[06:47] <Rask> warning*
[06:47] <Daskreech> from pastebin?
[06:47] <Rask> Yes
[06:49] <Rask> Well, anyway
[06:49] <Daskreech> ah it's ok
[06:49] <Daskreech> I don't really need to see it now anyway
[06:49] <Rask> nouveau is currently doing the job, but I dunno if it takes the same params as nvidia
[06:49] <Rask> If it does, I can try that, but how do I find that out?
[06:54] <Daskreech> Rask:  http://jimmod.com/blog/2010/06/solving-fixing-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-screen-flickerdistortion/
[06:54] <Daskreech> try that
[06:56] <Rask> I don't have an i915 chipset. o.o
[07:00] <Rask> also, I'm starting to lose faith that this fix I've been pursuing with regard to powermizer is the right one... I do not have compiz running, and they say that that's what causes the problem they're fixing :/
[07:00] <Daskreech> Rask: It's a power setting
[07:03] <Rask> Oh well, what can it hurt
[07:03]  * Rask tries
[07:04] <Daskreech> \o/
[07:07] <Rask> ...Wow.
[07:07] <Rask> Okay, moving the selection bar in GRUB makes things flicker
[07:08] <Rask> ugh
[07:09] <Rask> I am about to give up
[07:09] <Daskreech> Rebooted and still flickers?
[07:09] <Daskreech> what card do you have?
[07:09] <Rask> an on-board geforce 7100 (Zotac board)
[07:10] <Rask> How the hell do you make the screen flicker in GRUB? o__o
[07:13] <Daskreech> gpm?
[07:13] <Rask> GPM?
[07:13] <Daskreech> By the way did you ask in #ubuntu ?
[07:13] <Rask> Moving too fast to get a word in edgeewise :(
[07:15] <Rask> Seriously though... what could cause graphical glitching in GRUB of all things?  It's just text, there's no reason for this.
[07:16] <Daskreech> yeah that's kinda strange
[07:16] <Daskreech> What kinda flicker?
[07:17] <Rask> whole screen glitches for a split second and then recovers
[07:17] <Daskreech> so not like a TV flicker or a resolution change?
[07:17] <Daskreech> the fonts bugs out?
[07:18] <Rask> Well...
[07:18] <Rask> Nah, it's more a TV flicker
[07:18] <Rask> you can see the screen image offset from where it's supposed to be for a second, along with some messed-upness
[07:18] <Daskreech> and it does this how often?
[07:22] <sri13> hi , i want to develop code for kde-edu application , where I have to start ?
[07:23] <Daskreech> sri13: techbase.kde.org
[07:24] <Rask> Daskreech: Every single time you move the selection bar up or down.
[07:26] <sri13> Daskreech: But techbase , they are giving 4 options like nightly build , master .... , which one i have to choose ?
[07:26] <Rask> I'm just utterly baffled.
[07:26] <Daskreech> Rask: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[07:26] <Rask> Confused, what am I doing there? o.o
[07:27] <Rask> This is in GRUB, before I even load Ubuntu
[07:27] <Daskreech> sri13: if you are doing something up to date you want trunk
[07:27] <Daskreech> Rask: Right go into ubuntu and run that command
[07:28] <Rask> Okay, but what is it going to do? o.o
[07:28] <Daskreech> sri13: You can ask in #kde-edu as well
[07:28] <Daskreech> Rask: it will add a new repository to download updates from
[07:28] <Rask> Okay, done
[07:28] <Rask> What next?
[07:29] <Daskreech> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install nvidia-current nvidia-current-modaliases nvidia-settings
[07:30] <sri13> Daskreech: I want to develop the application Rocs , so which one I want to choose ?
[07:30] <Rask> Okay, retrieving, but what is all of this going to do, as a whole?
[07:33] <Daskreech> Rask: it will install a customised older set of drivers that should work better for your chipset
[07:33] <Daskreech> sri13: trunk should be fine
[07:34] <Rask> Last time I installed nvidia-common, I tried to modprobe it and it said device not found.  Should I be worried? :B
[07:35] <sri13> Daskreech:  Thanks , I wuill follow the instructions there , :)
[07:36] <Daskreech> sri13: :) #kde-devel will help if you get stuck
[07:36] <Daskreech> Rask: where did you install it from?
[07:36] <Rask> Point,
[07:36] <Rask> Point.*
[07:36] <Daskreech> I don't understand what that is
[07:36] <Rask> I mean, you have a point. :B
[07:40] <Daskreech> I still don't get it but ok :)
[07:40] <Daskreech>  at least that's the first thing I thought of when you said it :)
[07:40] <Rask> ok, that's done.
[07:40] <Rask> What shall I do next?
[07:43] <Rask> Daskreech:
[07:44] <Daskreech> Rask: Umm
[07:44] <Daskreech> reboot?
[07:44] <Rask> heeeeeeeere we go
[07:46] <Rask> nope
[07:46] <Rask> still flickertastic
[07:48] <Rask> Any other ideas up your sleeve? :(
[07:52] <Rask> I'm starting to believe this is a hardware problem.
[07:52] <Daskreech> Rask: seems widespread enough for me to think it's not
[07:53] <Daskreech> kdesudo nvidia-settings
[07:53] <Rask> Well, how's this for a hitch
[07:53] <Rask> I never thought to look before, but
[07:53] <Rask> the windows startup screen flickers too.
[07:53] <Daskreech> yeah it's power cycling I'm guessing
[07:53] <Rask> power cycling?
[07:54] <Daskreech> it's a problem with the nvidia drivers just trying to figure out how to shut that off
[07:54] <Rask> But this comes up in text mode.  o.o  That shouldn't make the GPU upshift at all.
[07:54] <iulian_> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/nvidia-7100-unknown-chipset-613160/
[07:55] <Daskreech> Yeah that's really weird
[08:00] <Daskreech> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1471861.html might help
[08:02] <Rask> Well, thanks for your efforts, but I think this compy is obsolete anyway and maybe it's time I stimulate the economy.  >_<
[08:02] <Daskreech> ha ha :)
[08:03] <Daskreech> or have it do soething you don't hav to look at
[09:16] <goodnightvienna> morning... does anyone have experience using Transmission?
[09:18] <Kolia> gorgonzola: i'm using it at the moment
[09:19] <gorgonzola> ?
[09:19] <Kolia> gorgonzola: sorry mis-auto-completion :)
[09:20] <Kolia> it was meant to somebody who left
[09:20] <gorgonzola> ok. np
[11:26]  * 16SAAASA7 ñêîðî áóäó: Gone away for now
[11:35] <PasNox> hello
[11:36] <PasNox> i'm trying to deal with QWebView in my qt project, according to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:36] <PasNox> the widget is missing from the widget palette, and it's true, what i can do ??
[11:37] <PasNox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtwebkit-source/+bug/674367
[11:37] <PasNox> :'(
[11:40]  * murphy_ ÿ ñíîâà òóò!.
[12:21] <azmodeus> salve?
[12:21] <Peace-> azmodeus: ?
[12:21] <azmodeus> ???
[12:21] <Peace-> azmodeus: what's the problem ?
[12:21] <azmodeus> doh... nothing...
[12:22] <azmodeus> what is this?
[12:23] <Peace-> azmodeus: are you italian?
[12:23] <azmodeus> yep
[12:23] <Peace-> !it | azmodeus
[12:24] <azmodeus> =) thx...
[12:59] <wmp> hi
[12:59] <wmp> i want to install kscreenshot, in what package i can found this?
[13:07] <Peace-> wmp: hi
[13:07] <Peace-> wmp: ksnapshot
[13:09] <wmp> Peace-: thx
[13:11] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:11] <Peace-> BluesKaj: bien
[13:12] <BluesKaj> <-- bien aussi
[13:12] <Peace-> xDù
[13:15] <BluesKaj> got a few kde4.6 issues with plasma panel /desktop effects...herky jerky when changing desktop windows
[13:16] <Peace-> BluesKaj: driver video ah?
[13:43] <frigOvuotO> ho questo tipo di errore http://paste.ubuntu.com/569613/ come posso risolvere?
[13:50] <Tm_T> !it | frigOvuotO
[14:14] <roger__> ciao ragazzi!
[14:14] <roger__> A chi mi posso rivolgere per dei problemini tecnici?
[14:15] <jhunold> !it | roger__
[14:15] <roger__> Grazie a te!
[14:23] <induz> hello guys why my KDEnlive crashes a lot
[14:23] <induz> is someone here??
[14:23] <induz> helo
[14:23] <induz> good morning
[14:24] <induz> bazhang, r u there?
[14:24] <slug> induz: good morning. did you check bug reports ?
[14:25] <induz> slug, what is that
[14:26] <slug> induz: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting
[14:26] <induz> after downloading kbuntu with ubuntu why my system is slow
[14:26] <slug> induz: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs
[14:26] <slug> induz: what's your system specs?
[14:27] <slug> induz: CPU, RAM, disk
[14:27] <induz> intell p4 with 1 gb mem
[14:27] <induz> and 30gb hd for dual booting Xp
[14:27] <induz> Ubuntu is set to grow as it can
[14:28] <slug> induz: why you say it's slow?
[14:28] <slug> induz: 1gb for video editing is not that much
[14:28] <induz> cpu=p4 Intel pentiu, 1Gb Mem, 80Gb Hdd
[14:28] <induz> kdenlive crashes
[14:28] <slug> induz: does it allow you to create a stack trace?
[14:28] <induz> I have desktop not laptop
[14:29] <induz> yes i can reload with saved project but
[14:29] <slug> induz: that's not what i mean
[14:29] <induz> sometimes i lose the editing
[14:29] <slug> did you read the URL i sent you?
[14:29] <induz> stack trace??
[14:30] <induz> i am reading the website u sent me side by side
[14:31] <induz> is 1gb MEM is not good for kbuntu as i was fine with Gnome and ubuntu
[14:31] <induz> i installed KDE caz of kdenlive
[14:31] <slug> induz: if you are editing videos, 1GB probably is not enough.
[14:32] <slug> induz: do you have any swap?
[14:32] <james147> induz: 1gig is enough for kubuntu... but video editing is very memory intense and you really should get more ram if you want to do that
[14:33] <induz> james147, i can not go more than 2gb i guess in the current system...but I just want to do simple cut2cut
[14:33] <induz> not video effects
[14:33] <induz> i think when i installed ubuntu after Xp, it created some SWAP
[14:33] <james147> induz: what version of kubuntu are you using?
[14:34] <induz> james, how do i find out from Gnome ubuntu about kbuntu?
[14:34] <induz> I dont want to log-relog
[14:35] <james147> induz: if they are on the same install (ie you installed kubuntu-desktop from ubuntU)
[14:35] <james147> then run "lsb_release -a"
[14:36] <induz> it says no lsb, but  ubuntu 10.4
[14:36] <induz> I am running Lucid after upgrading from karmic
[14:36] <induz> yes Kbuntu is on same install
[14:37]  * james147 suggests upgrading to maverick (10.10), kde espically kdenlive has improved allot in that verion
[14:37] <induz> 10.04.2 LTS
[14:37] <BluesKaj> induz, it's called kubuntu , not kbuntu
[14:38] <induz> james147, I am scared as i had hell of time figuring my Dell USB wireless after upgrading to Lucid from karmic
[14:39] <induz> BluesKaj, I didnt notice that, I though its k-buntu
[14:39] <induz> as like u-buntu
[14:39] <james147> induz: then i suggest you grab a live cd of 10.10 and see if it works
[14:40] <induz> james147, as my system is way old, i dont want bloated OS with a lots of applications i dont know about
[14:40] <induz> I have to get a DVD burner first
[14:40] <james147> !usb
[14:40] <induz> i mean a DVD disk
[14:41] <slug> induz: i have both 10.04 and 10.10. 10.04 on my main laptop and 10.10 on other old desktop computers and it works fine.
[14:41] <james147> induz: ^^ and why are you worring about bloat if you are dual booting with xp and have both gnome and kde installed?
[14:41] <slug> induz: you don't need DVD, just grab the CD, or you can use a flash drive. look at usb-creator-kde
[14:42]  * james147 suggests NOT use the dvd... it really isnt needed by most people
[14:42] <slug> induz: i mean, grab the CD .iso file, then use usb creator to install it into a flash drive, no need to burn a CD.
[14:43] <slug> induz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[14:43] <induz> slug, james147 I am not worry about bloated OS, I am worried about my system being OLD
[14:43] <BluesKaj> how old , induz ?
[14:43] <james147> induz: then thats more of a reason to upgrade kubuntu to 10.10... the newer versions of kde are more stable/faster
[14:43] <induz> I dont have a wireless PCI card, i use DEll USB car for wireless and there was no driver for that
[14:44] <slug> induz: do what james147 told you, try with the live from the flash drive to see if works.
[14:44] <james147> induz: which is why i suggest getting a livecd/usb and testing to see if it works on that
[14:44] <induz> let me get a USB. do i have to format the USB for it to work as iso media
[14:45] <induz> I have never used USB for bootup, but my system has that option at bootup\
[14:46] <slug> induz: use usb-creator
[14:46] <induz> Thanks james and slug, i will follow your suggestions
[14:46] <slug> induz: check the last URL i sent you
[14:46] <induz> slug, I am reading that site
[14:48] <induz> slug, is the USB drive has to have just the .iso of 10.10Ubuntu or it can also have other files on it
[14:48] <induz> I have this USB which has some other files and doc files on it
[14:49] <james147> induz: backup the contents to you harddrive first
[14:49] <slug> induz: you need to use usb-creator, you cannot just put the file there.
[14:49] <slug> induz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#Creating a bootable Ubuntu USB flash drive
[14:50] <slug> induz: <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#Creating a bootable Ubuntu USB flash drive>
[14:50] <james147> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#Creating%20a%20bootable%20Ubuntu%20USB%20flash%20drive  ^^
[14:52] <induz> slug, it says;'making it bootable will destroy all pre-existing files on the USB drive!"
[14:52] <slug> induz: yeah
[14:52] <induz> I have to backup my data first
[14:53] <slug> induz: you will need an empty USB flash drive.
[14:53] <induz> I have buy that then
[14:53] <induz> i understood th concept now
[14:55] <induz> what should i install KuBuntu or ubuntu 10.10??
[14:55] <Peace-> induz: sudo apt-get install unetbootin
[14:55] <induz> I want to have wine for words[ms] and kdenlive
[14:56] <induz> unetbootin??
[14:56] <Peace-> unthat make usb bootable sudo apt-get install unetbootin
[14:57] <james147> Peace-: also usb-creator-kde ^^ which is installed by default and works nicer with kubuntu
[14:57] <Peace-> james147: mmm sometimes that software got strange problems here
[14:57] <Peace-> james147: i guess unetbootin is more complete software
[14:57]  * james147 found the opposite ^^
[14:58] <Peace-> james147: :S
[14:58] <Peace-> induz: libreoffice doesn't fit for you? instead of words?
[14:58] <james147> at least on later version of usb-creator.. the eairler ones where abit iffy
[14:58] <induz> Should i install 10.10 or Kubuntu
[14:58] <Peace-> kubuntu = ubuntu + kde destkop
[14:58] <Peace-> in a easy way...
[14:58] <induz> I have OO office but there is some problems with MS words files
[14:59] <james147> induz: nether, test to see if your wireless works on the liveusb, if it dose then upgrade your install
[14:59] <james147> Peace-: kubuntu = ubuntu + kde - gnome ^^
[14:59] <induz> Thanks james147 I got u
[14:59] <induz> I have ubuntu=KDE and Gnome right now
[15:00] <induz> only problem is i have to relog
[15:00] <induz> Ok guys thanks
[15:00] <induz>  i am off to get a USB drive
[15:01] <admin1> hello
[15:01] <Peace-> james147: xD -gnome xD
[15:01] <james147> :D
[15:01] <admin1> need some help configuring file sharing....
[15:01] <Peace-> admin1: samba?
[15:01] <james147> admin1: install samba
[15:02] <admin1> just did, sharing shows up, but all I can see is userid and password,
[15:02] <Peace-> admin1: sudo apt-get install unetbootin
[15:02] <Peace-> admin1: sorry
[15:02] <james147> admin1: try installing "kdenetwork-filesharing"
[15:02] <Peace-> admin1: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/kubuntu-904-windows-share-with-samba/
[15:03] <Peace-> james147: mm? really try it  xD
[15:03] <admin1> installed kdenetwork...
[15:03] <Peace-> ;(
[15:03] <Peace-> admin1: read my article edit the file
[15:03] <Peace-> admin1: and you should get the stuff
[15:04] <james147> ^^ editing the smb.conf file might be easier  then navgating the samba inerface for kde though ^^ :D
[15:04] <admin1> thank you very much...been at this for TWO DAYS!!!
[15:05] <admin1> peace = do I have to make a new folder if i am trying to share an entire 2TB drive?
[15:06] <Peace-> admin1: nope ...just apply the stuff to your folder that you want share...
[15:06] <Peace-> xD
[15:06] <Tortola> muy buenas
[15:06] <admin1> thanks peace
[15:06] <Tortola> alguien puede echarme una mano?
[15:06] <Peace-> path = /home/robert/sharedfolder
[15:07] <Tortola> please someone can help me?
[15:07] <Peace-> admin1: if you see comments there a a user that has shared several folders...
[15:07] <Peace-> admin1: path = /home/robert/download
[15:07] <james147> !help | Tortola
[15:07] <Peace-> admin1: path = /home/robert/sharedfolder
[15:08] <Tortola> sorry, my problem is: i cannot login automactly, i have problem with my gdmsetup
[15:08] <Peace-> Tortola: gdm?
[15:08] <Peace-> Tortola: this is kubuntu so kdm
[15:08] <Peace-> xD
[15:08] <Peace-> #ubuntu
[15:08] <Tortola> file custom.conf i think is ok
[15:08] <Tortola> ahhh sorry :)
[15:13] <admin1> peace - I have several users from several different windows PC's  what should I do for valid users line
[15:15] <BluesKaj> kde 4.6 and some of the new desktop/plasma themes and desktop effects aren't very compatible ..my desktop just froze using ctrl+f11 to rotate the cube
[15:15] <james147> admin1: nothing, and add "guest ok = yes"  and  in the [global] section set "security = share"  that will let anyone access your share without a password
[15:16] <james147> admin1: alternitive to that you need to add each user to your computer, then register them with samba and add them all to the valid users line
[15:17] <admin1> okay,  one last question:  /media/COYOTE_DRIVE/ is this valid where /media is a folder on master and /coyote_drive/ is root of 2tb drive
[15:18] <admin1> I see 2tb in this path when  i navigate
[15:19] <james147> admin1: yes, use the path in which you can browse it...
[15:19] <Daskreech> valorie: Awwww :)
[15:19]  * Daskreech hugs
[15:19] <james147> ^^ but make sure you use the right caplisation... all paths are case sensitive
[15:19] <admin1> rock on and I am deleteing  the valid user line and replacing the text abov.e thanks  a lot...
[15:21] <Peace-> sorry i was out
[15:21] <Peace-> i go out :P now bye bey james147
[15:22] <Peace-> have nice day everyone
[15:22] <james147> see ya
[15:22] <admin1> thanks PEACE!
[15:26] <admin1> James147 = why do I get command not found when I issue  -  sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[15:26] <james147> admin1: try smbd
[15:26] <james147> instead of samaba
[15:27] <Guest32508> ciao
[15:27] <Guest32508> !list
[15:28] <BluesKaj> the service command seems to be replacing etc/init.d lately ..I noticed that with init.d/networking
[15:29] <admin1> ubottu okay dude, give this 50 year old a break! I'm a dos guy trying to learn this stuff,  help me get to the right place please
[15:29] <vanguard_> I am looking for a clean sans font like myriad pro, is there some free alternative?
[15:30] <BluesKaj> admin1, as you probly observed , ubottu is an info/factoid botscript
[15:31] <BluesKaj> vanguard_, dunno why look into truetype fonts , i think they're open source now
[15:31] <BluesKaj> er whynot look
[15:35] <james147> !pm | admin1
[15:35] <james147> and if you edited the /etc/samba/smb.conf file you dont need to use the gui dialog... which is alittle over complex :D.... is you share not showing up after you restart samba?
[15:38] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[15:38] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: are you there?
[15:39] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, Hi ...did removing nepomuk break your setup ?
[15:40] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: no, i am happy that you still remeber that :)
[15:41] <BluesKaj> I'm glad you didn't use the package manager , to do because most of kubuntu-dektop would have gone with it , phoenix_firebrd
[15:41] <BluesKaj> to do so
[15:41] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ya
[15:42] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: one small correction
[15:42] <BluesKaj> that's why I don't use gui package managers
[15:42] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, ok ?
[15:42] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i was not able to remove nepomuk, but removed virtuoso, so nepomuk doesnt start now
[15:43] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: as you said when i tried to uninstall nepomuk, it was pulling the whole installation
[15:45] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: how can i integrate kfind to dolphin?
[15:45] <BluesKaj> did you try to start it system settings / startup&shutdown/service manager / startup services?
[15:46] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i didnt try that, should i try that now?
[15:47] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, whynot just add dolphin to your panel
[15:47] <BluesKaj> well phoenix_firebrd , if it's listed you can start nepomuk
[15:48] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: no what i ment was then when i press ctrl+f, k find should open i the current directory
[15:50] <BluesKaj> dunno, I'm not much on KB shortcuts , I just put apps that use frequently into the panel for quick access
[15:51] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: are you using kde 4.6?
[15:52] <BluesKaj> yes
[15:53] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: are you using indexed file searching, if so , are you satisfied with the search results?
[15:54] <BluesKaj> i don't use indexed file searching , it's turned off , phoenix_firebrd
[15:54] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: good
[15:56] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: thank you. see you
[15:57] <BluesKaj> most apps are usr/bin, usr/sbin and any data I need like media is in the default folders in my /home dir, so personally I don't see the ned for a pc-search
[16:28]  * 16SAAASA7 ñêîðî áóäó: Gone away for now
[16:48]  * murphy_ ÿ ñíîâà òóò!.
[16:58]  * 16SAAASA7 ñêîðî áóäó: Gone away for now
[16:59]  * murphy_ ÿ ñíîâà òóò!.
[17:00] <admin1> emonkey - have time for some advice?
[17:01] <admin1> file share question:  windows returns server/guest as username when trying to connect to share, what do I need to change in my smb.conf
[17:02] <james147> admin1: security = share  in the [general] section
[17:02] <admin1> its there
[17:03] <admin1> does guest = no need to be removed?  also have valid user = john  sally
[17:04] <james147> admin1: for valid users to work you need an account on the server with that name and assuciate that user with samba (with smppasswd)
[17:04] <james147> smbpasswd ^^
[17:04] <admin1> can I issue the smbpasswd command using each username that I want to be able to attach to share?
[17:05] <james147> ^^ as well you need to create a unix account first
[17:05] <rtdos> how can i find out which desktops i have installed and how to launch them? i have a friend who uses text based login and thinks he installed several different desktops but he is not sure which ones or how to launch them.
[17:06] <admin1> oh, can you possibly point me to a link that might help
[17:09] <james147> admin1: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202605
[17:11] <james147> rtdos: this is for arch, but might still provide useful info: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#Using_.xinitrc
[17:11] <admin1> thanks james
[17:12] <admin1> JAMES - I got the share to show up after two days of fighting, so this 50 year old dos guy is making progress.  Now I just need to lock the kids out of the root
[17:13] <james147> admin1: the root account?
[17:19] <rtdos> thanks, james147
[17:27] <rtdos> i lost my eth0 device and now i cant use startx i get an addscreen/screeninit error.
[17:31] <Daskreech> rtdos: lost it?
[17:35] <BluesKaj> rtdos, best to try the recovery kernel, then 'fix broken packages' in the dialog
[17:37] <admin1> no, root of share drive...thanks  james
[17:39] <james147> admin1: if you mean form the cliend(ie windows) then make sure you dont add their user to the valid users... if you mean on the server, then mount it in a location and with permission so they cannot access it
[17:41] <admin1> that's what i am trying to do.  they can see the subdirectories I want them to see as I have loaded them as shares in smb.conf, now I am trying to lock the root of the share so they cannot browse to it and find
[17:41] <admin1> other subdirectories
[17:42] <james147> admin1: try setting "security = user" again
[17:43] <admin1> okay
[17:44] <admin1> how come when i try to sudo smbpasswd -L -a andrea (my wife) I get a failed to add entry for user andrea return after I enter the password.  does the password have to meet a certain standard?
[17:45] <james147> admin1: does the user "andrea" exist on the server?
[17:46] <rtdos> lost it daskreech. :-(
[17:46] <Daskreech> rtdos: it fell out the computer?
[17:48] <admin1> does now :-)  thanks
[17:51] <admin1> Can I designate static ip vice dhcp in the ifconfig file?
[17:53] <rtdos> blueskaj: even modeprob doesn't see it
[17:56] <BluesKaj> rtdos, diyou try the recovery kernel ?
[17:58] <james147> admin1: you can configure a static ip by either reserving an ip from your router (so that it always give you the same ip via dhcp) or on the computer by: http://codesnippets.joyent.com/posts/show/319
[17:58] <oal> I am trying to install kubuntu 10.10 but I get this error http://dpaste.com/436855/
[17:59] <oal> A problem with subprocess_
[17:59] <admin1> what do you recommend.  Is WINS = yes a big advantage, if so, I will go with static on box
[17:59] <oal> Ive tried both from cd and usb stick.... Same error. I have to get this sorted out today. Googleing gives me nothign
[18:01] <oal> Any suggestions_
[18:01] <oal> Oh, wrong keyboard layout as well. Nothing works today
[18:01] <oal> That was a question mark
[18:02] <BluesKaj> admin1, a hint , it's best to let /etc/network/interfaces handle your networking directly if you want a staic IP ..if you do so networkmanager can be removed
[18:02] <BluesKaj> err static IP
[18:03] <admin1> thanks BluesKaj
[18:04] <BluesKaj> admin1, james147 I think this tutorial is somewhat clearer http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[18:06] <BluesKaj> admin1, the above setup works well for me ...it was recommended by actionparsnip on #ubuntu , he's one of the networking resident gurus on freenode
[18:06] <rtdos> blueskaj: how? i booted into repair mode from the boot menu. does the cd have something i can use to repair?
[18:08] <BluesKaj> rtdos, did you choose the "fix brokenpackages" option in the recovery kernel ? from the grub menu
[18:08] <BluesKaj> not the cd
[18:13] <stephenmac7> Hello, does wireles work in the live cd ?
[18:13] <rtdos> yes, blueskaj
[18:14] <james147> stephenmac7: it should do
[18:15] <BluesKaj> stephenmac7, usually if you're using a laptop, any outboard wifi devices take a bit more work and an ethernet connect will be needed to install the right drivers
[18:16] <BluesKaj> rtdos, yes what?
[18:18] <sriramoman> i use kde 4.6, sometimes when i choose folder view layout it comes like this: http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6373/group2.png how do i prevent this ugly phenomenon from happening!
[18:19] <sriramoman> this used to happen in KDE 4.5 too
[18:20] <admin1_> in Kubuntu, what is the preferred terminal window and how do I load it to my panel
[18:20] <admin1_> i am using guake terminal
[18:21] <rtdos> blueskaj, yes, i did choose the 'fix brokenpackages' in the recovery kernel.
[18:21] <BluesKaj> admin1_, kdm
[18:21] <james147> admin1: konsole is the terminal application in kubuntu, you should be able to drag it to the panel to create a shorcut (if widgets are unlocked)
[18:22] <BluesKaj> admin1_, oops I meant kwin
[18:33] <admin1_> HELP:  I am still having problems attaching to the root of the share drive on my windows box.  When i try to mak I get a gray username box that says:  Server\Guest
[18:33] <james147> admin1_: pastebin your /etc/samba/smb.conf
[18:35] <admin1_> really, just paste it in here?
[18:35] <admin1_> #
[18:35] <admin1_> # Sample configuration file for the Samba suite for Debian GNU/Linux.
[18:35] <admin1_> #
[18:35] <admin1_> #
[18:35] <admin1_> # This is the main Samba configuration file. You should read the
[18:35] <FloodBotK1> admin1_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:37] <warpi> hello, does anyone know how to make a mount in "/media" to show up in the tree in thunar?
[18:39] <james147> warpi: ask in #ubuntu for gnome related questions
[18:40] <warpi> oki
[18:40] <warpi> thc
[18:40] <warpi> thx*
[18:41] <shane4ubuntu> warpi: basically you just want to make that the mount point, sudo mount /dev/partition /media/mountpoint
[18:42] <warpi> shane4ubuntu, i added the mount to "/etc/fstab", and wrote "sudo mount -a"
[18:43] <warpi> the file share is mounted, but it does not show up in thunar :(
[18:43] <warpi> it do shows up in nautilus
[18:43] <warpi> maybe a restart will help
[18:44] <shane4ubuntu> warpi: perhaps, I'm not familiar with thunar, you probably could find more info in the #ubuntu room, that is more Ubuntu related than Kubuntu
[18:44] <warpi> oki
[18:48] <james147> admin1_: can you pastebin the file and post the link here
[18:51] <admin1_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/569743/  when I login from another WIN box it wants a userid and password and returns win-pc/userid   in the username box.  coyote_drive is the only one that is problematic  all other shares are performing as I want
[18:52] <Snowhog> Anyone using Stefan Glasenhardt's repository (ppa:glasen/intel-driver)? I'd be interested in your experience before and after using the version 2.14 of the Intel-driver.
[18:52] <james147> admin1_: i am not sure you can have nested shares like that
[18:54] <admin1_> I can hit any of the shares listed and the directories open fine from multiple computers, but i am definately locked out of the root directors coyote_drive from the same windows machines
[18:54] <admin1_> the only problem I seem to be having is authenticating the credential between WIN and Kubuntu
[19:00] <bossman> Sup.
[19:03] <BluesKaj> how does one remove a network link , I mistakenly made 2 links to the samw windows pc , but there's no method, that i can find, to remove the duplicate
[19:04] <james147> BluesKaj: in the places panel of dolphin?
[19:04] <BluesKaj> james147,in dolphin/network
[19:05] <BluesKaj> it's a network folder
[19:05] <james147> BluesKaj: right click delete?
[19:06]  * james147 has an option to delete them, but he enabled the option in the settings to show the delete entry... " shift + del " should also work
[19:06] <BluesKaj> yeah,delete gives an 'access denued' dialog
[19:07] <james147> hmm
[19:08] <BluesKaj> thanks james147, shift+ delete did the trick
[19:08] <BluesKaj> it's  just a link, why the deny access ? strange..
[20:05] <admin1> james147 / Blues K+  thanks for all your help.  from windows XP = map drive and tell windows you want to use an alternative login.  select SERVER\USERNAME and password where server = servername of Kubuntu and  username is a registered userid in Kubuntu
[20:06] <admin1> I got it working and can effectively control permissons to keep the kids out of the root of my share and subdirectories I don't want them in while allowing them to browse music store, pictures...
[20:10] <AlexZion> hi guys , I don't know what's went wrongonmy system but it's every day worst , so I decide to reinstall..., but I was thinking  about try out kubuntu 11.04 which I heard is already stable enough ...., is it true !?! :D
[20:14] <pako_> list
[20:16] <james147> AlexZion: it is currently alpha 2.... not advised to install on  production machine... and not advised to install if you dont mind frequent breakages... but if you like messing around and dont mind everything dieing horribly then it should be fine :)
[20:16] <shane4ubuntu> I think I asked this before, but let's try this again,  can I change the background color of Dolphin window?
[20:17] <james147> shane4ubuntu: just the dolphin window? or every window?
[20:17] <pako_> list
[20:17] <shane4ubuntu> james147: just the dolphin window
[20:18] <james147> shane4ubuntu: look at qt style sheets and the --stylesheet option of qt applications
[20:18] <simo163> hi every one!
[20:18] <simo163> how to open wax file??
[20:18] <shane4ubuntu> james147: which category in System Settings?
[20:19] <james147> simo163: whats a was file?
[20:19] <simo163> wax
[20:19] <james147> shane4ubuntu: there is no way to change the look of a single applicaion from a gui... you will have to write your own qt stylesheet and launch the application with the --stylesheet <file.pss>  option
[20:20] <simo163> it's like mp3 i think hames147
[20:20] <shane4ubuntu> james147: eek, ok thanks for the info.
[20:20] <simo163> it's like mp3 i think james147
[20:20]  * shane4ubuntu runs and hides from learning stylesheets
[20:20] <james147> shane4ubuntu: its not to hard to write a stylesheet,
[20:21] <james147> shane4ubuntu: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/stylesheet.html  << might be a good place to start :)
[20:22] <shane4ubuntu> perhaps not, but I was looking for a two click method, I got other things to work on.  Was on my Gnome laptop with Nautilus and was reminded of changing the background in Nautilus to have a 'nicer' background than plain white.
[20:22] <shane4ubuntu> not a biggie, just minor
[20:23] <james147> shane4ubuntu: you just need a file with something along the lines of: QMainWindow { background: white }    in it :) and add the --stylesheet <filename> to the launcher
[20:24] <shane4ubuntu> james147: can it be an image file instead of a color?
[20:24] <james147> shane4ubuntu: umm.... not sure
[20:25] <james147> shane4ubuntu: try "background-image: url(file.png)"  ... but i dont know if it will work
[20:26] <shane4ubuntu> james147: here is a good picture of what I mean:  http://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/09/change-nautilus-background-color-patterns-ubuntu-10-0410-10-maverick-meerkat/
[20:26] <shane4ubuntu> brb
[20:26] <FloodBotK1> shane4ubuntu: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:28] <shane4ubuntu> lol, wow a little sensitive there flood. :)
[20:36] <shane4ubuntu> hmm, color doesn't seem to work, or image.
[20:45] <simo163> anyone knows how to open wax file??
[20:49] <james147> shane4ubuntu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/569783/ worked for me :p
[20:51] <shane4ubuntu> james147: is that the entire file?
[20:51] <james147> shane4ubuntu: yeah
[20:51] <shane4ubuntu> dolphin --stylesheet /home/shane/burlap.pss
[20:52] <shane4ubuntu> doesn't seem to work for me.
[20:52] <james147> ^^ hmm, works for me :p
[20:52] <shane4ubuntu> I set the permissions to 755 on the burlap.pss file
[20:52] <james147> (i used .qss though)
[20:52] <shane4ubuntu> I copied and pasted your info, ahh, qss, let me try that.
[20:52] <shane4ubuntu> although is shouldn't really matter even if it is a txt file
[20:53] <shane4ubuntu> nope, qt and stylesheets don't like me.
[20:53] <shane4ubuntu> ok, thanks anyway, back to work. :)
[20:54] <stephenmac7> Hello, I am having problems with jockey
[20:54] <james147> shane4ubuntu: hmm :s
[20:54] <stephenmac7> I get the error:
[20:55] <stephenmac7> installArchives() failed
[20:55] <stephenmac7> I am installing wl driver
[21:00] <Snowhog> simo163: Read this for information on .wax files and how to use them. Discussion is in Gnome (Ubuntu), but... http://ubuntugenius.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/how-to-setup-internet-online-web-radio-stations-in-ubuntus-rhythmbox-media-player/
[21:24] <Irwell> hi... does anyone know about desktop effects? the logout desaturation wasn't working properly (drawing weirdly) so i disabled it and there was no desaturation. when i restarted the effect remained off but log out has started desaturating properly. the problem is that the application launcher doesn't finish hiding before the desktop desaturates and part of it remains visible.
[22:01] <wmp> hi
[22:01] <wmp> in kubuntu is update notifier?
[22:02] <wmp> i want to install update-notifier but it want to install gnome libs
[22:04] <james147> wmp: there should be a kde version... and it should be installed by default
[22:04] <wmp> james147: i have ubuntu from netinstall and i installed kde-plasma-desktop only
[22:04] <wmp> i havent kde-full ;)
[22:05] <james147> wmp: then look for the kde version of the update notifier... not sure what package it is in... though its probally appened by -kde
[22:06] <wmp> update-manager-kde
[22:06] <james147> that shounds like it
[22:06] <james147> sounds
[22:06] <wmp> but, how to run this?
[23:27] <amstan> hello, how do i stop phonon from locking alsa, i cannot use flash or vlc with it while i have amarok on paused
[23:27] <amstan> running kde4.6
[23:28] <amason> amstan: there is a pusle audio backend i believe. If i recall correctly this is exactly the reason pulseaudio was created
[23:28] <amstan> yes, i just tried pulse audio, half of the things are broken, the icon does not show up right, when i play vlc and amarok at the same time i just hear lots of static
[23:29] <amstan> the center speaker is not actually the center speaker, it's some software interpolation, even though i have a perfectly fine 5.1 source
[23:29] <amstan> i'm just confused why kde 4.5 worked just fine with the setup i had, now it won't play nice
[23:34] <CuBeTop> hi all! does anyone have any experience with fingerprint sensors on maverick and kde4 4.6 ?
[23:34] <CuBeTop> last time I tried it, I succesfully locked myself out from system, I had to use rescue mode to able to log in
[23:34] <CuBeTop> I have Upek Biometric Touchchip/Touchstrip Fingerprint Sensor
[23:41] <admin1> question - have 240GB of data to move from NAS drive to 2TB drive on Kubuntu file server ==what's best method to accomplish?
[23:43] <james147> admin1: i would use "rsync -avhP <source> <dest>" << with if it gets intrupted when rerun it and it will continue where it left off
[23:48] <admin1> that's my problem  I tried the first bit using copy / paste and it hung on a file and now I have to go back and get the file manually .  will give it a try if I can get the syntax right  will be difficult since source is NAS on linksys WRT router
[23:49] <admin1> can I use the dir command to see if I can list files at a network location? so I can figure out the true filepath that this OS recognizes
[23:50] <james147> admin1: rsync will only work with local files and over ssh... if the files are stored on a samba share then you can mount the share locally then rsync the files
[23:55] <admin1> okay, let me see if I can work this out
[23:59] <trudell> hi all, hi bazhang


[09:51] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-se, HeMan said: !HeMan is the master of the universe!
[09:53] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-se, HeMan said: !HeMan is the master of the other universe!
[17:55] <arand> subway24 Could likely require removal from ubuntu-devel soon-ish
[17:57] <Tm_T> arand: we are at it, kinda (:
[18:06] <bazhang> !helpme
[18:22] <arand> Would it be reasonable to update the #ubuntu+1 topic with "no liveCDs, no update-manager -d, if you *really* want to edit sources.list" or something to that matter?
[18:23] <arand> s/want\ to/want\ to\ upgrade\ now/
[18:24] <tsimpson> I think not, if someone wants to upgrade this early they should be forced to search how ;)
[18:24] <Tm_T> I agree
[18:24] <Tm_T> it should not be made easy yet
[18:24] <Tm_T> "if you have to ask, forget it"
[18:26] <arand> Well in that case how about "No liveCDs, no auto-upgrade possible yet" simply? Since it's a common question.
[18:27] <tsimpson> you assume people read the topic
[18:27] <tsimpson> it may reduce those questions by 1 or 2%, but people _will_ still ask, no matter what the topic says
[18:27] <arand> Well, what else is the topic good for apart from a faint hope that someone reads it?
[18:28] <arand> Ah well, fair enough.
[18:28] <tsimpson> I just don't thing it's particularly necessary/useful, but if someone wants to update the topic...


[12:37] <smo> hi
[12:37] <smo> thx cjwatson i followed your instructions it s now all working :)
[12:40] <cjwatson> great, glad to hear it
[12:40] <smo> how can i add a laucnher to the desktop of the new user ?? or just how to get a  $user....
[12:40] <smo> hey
[12:40] <smo> thx again
[12:40] <smo> was a big problem for me
[12:41] <cjwatson> edit /scripts/casper-bottom/10adduser (IIRC) in the initramfs and make it do more stuff
[12:41] <smo> ok i ll look it now
[12:42] <cjwatson> may be easiest to get a scratch Ubuntu desktop system, install casper on it, edit the file in place (/usr/share/initramfs-tools/ somewhere, I think) and update-initramfs -u - then the updated initramfs will be in /boot/
[12:42] <smo> i made many many things on ubuntu live cd
[12:42] <smo> by chroot
[12:43] <smo> made personals scripts for beryl 3d card etc and compile of mplayer jack ....
[12:43] <smo> just need to place the laucher for beryl/3d card on the dektop like the install icon
[12:44] <smo> but don t know how to retrieve the username chosed in the install process
[12:45] <smo> ok sorry
[12:45] <smo> easy lol
[12:48] <smo> can just copy the /ubiquity-kdeui.desktop part ...
[12:48] <smo> no?
[12:50] <cjwatson> yeah, should be pretty similar to that
[12:52] <smo> ok need to rebuild the squash just for that...
[12:52] <smo> i try
[01:02] <smo> /usr/lib/ubiquity/user-setup/user-setup-apply
[01:02] <smo> more interesting for me
[01:02] <smo> nice i think need to test now...
[08:11] <jetsaredim> you're up early
[03:35] <cjwatson_> jetsaredim_: my client autojoins - it doesn't imply I'm actually here
[11:56] <mark> hmm, still odd problems with "hangs" when configuring LVM and activating old LVs and stuff


[09:19] <reddazz_> does anyone know of any articles that can help me create debian packages
[09:19] <madsen> 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep ^rc | awk {'print $1'} | xargs dpkg --purge' was pretty ugly.
[09:19] <dablitz> I have a question I hope someone can help me.
[09:20] <madsen> dablitz: fire away, no help guaranteed though...
[09:20] <RQ> hi
[09:20] <dablitz> I don't know who is familliar with vdr, but I am running it with 2 Hauppauge nexus-s cards, serving 2 seperate tv's
[09:20] <dablitz> on differnet channels
[09:20] <RQ> just wanted to know wether ubuntu includes wine by default?
[09:20] <bogl> Is it as simple as getting the cupsd.conf Ubuntu starts with & sticking that in?
[09:20] <dablitz> my problem is the the remotes are both using /dev/null and need them using /dev/input/event0 and even1
[09:21] <dablitz> but am having problems with the MAKEDEV
[09:21] <kent> RQ, no you will have to install it with synaptic or apt. Buts a very easy installation. Just a few clicks.
[09:21] <skeff> Where do I set which modules are loaded on boot?
[09:21] <dablitz> does anyone have any ideas
[09:21] <sulkd> skeff:
[09:21] <sulkd> MODULE_DESCRIPTION("Low-level driver helper for Lucent Hermes chipset and Prism II HFA384x wireless MAC controller");
[09:21] <sulkd> MODULE_AUTHOR("Pavel Roskin<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:21] <sulkd> 	" & David Gibson <hermes@gibson.dropbear.id.au>");
[09:21] <RQ> kent, is it in oficial ubuntu packages, or in that another repo?
[09:21] <sulkd> skeff, try sending mail to those guys
[09:22] <EscN0W> where I can wind list of sowtware items in ubuntu distro?
[09:22] <skeff> sulkd, thanks but it's working now, who knows why
[09:22] <RQ> kent, ?
[09:22] <dablitz> I went into /var/log/messeges and the only thing I can see is they are both using /dev/null
[09:22] <StevenR> i have some basic questions about ubuntu, which i haven't found from other sources. 1) Does it come with KDE (or is it easy to add it)? 2) What sort of init system does it use (SysV/BSD)? 3) It's based on debian (?) so can i use apt/frontends to apt to add and remove software?. 4) What sort of tools does it come with for system administration (gui/ncurses/other)? 5) What platform are the packages built for(i486? i586?). 6) How co
[09:23] <RQ> another thing then - how mixable are ubuntu packages with debian packages?
[09:24] <ironwolf> StevenR: apt-get install kde, yes it works. SysV startup, apt-get frontends *synaptic package manager is loaded by default*... lots, see liveCD, lots see Universe in archive
[09:24] <sulkd> skeff: btw.. gnome-panel-screenshot just disappeared because they are moving it from the gnome-panel package to gnome-utils.. it will re-appear next time they release a new gnome-utils package :]
[09:24] <ironwolf> RQ: it's possible, but not advisable, and can result in unexpected/broken results.
[09:25] <osiris_22> can rpms be used in ubuntu?
[09:25] <RQ> ok
[09:25] <StevenR> ironwolf: "Universe in archive"?
[09:25] <RQ> so are there official packages for WINE or would i need to take that from debian?
[09:25] <EscN0W> does ubuntu vcome with developement platform (gcc, nasm, etc for source compilation)?
[09:26] <dablitz> madsen any ideas
[09:26] <ironwolf> Universe in archive yes.  Multiverse also exists.  Multiverse has things like mplayer in it.
[09:26] <sulkd> RO: you can get unofficial (that still build and work ok) wine packages via the universe repository..
[09:26] <RQ> ok i see
[09:26] <osiris_22> this guy on judge judy read his gf diery and it said he was bad in bed so he decided to sue her
[09:27] <osiris_22> lmao
[09:27] <ironwolf> StevenR: sorry, are you familiar with Debian? if so /etc/apt/souces.list has commented out entries for Universe in it by default.
[09:27] <osiris_22> im laughen so hard
[09:27] <StevenR> ironwolf: what archive is this?
[09:27] <skeff> sulkd, thanks for the info
[09:27] <RQ> see, there's a teacher from one school who asked me to suggest him some "linux version"
[09:27] <sulkd> skeff :]
[09:27] <RQ> and he said they would want to run encarta on it
[09:27] <RQ> and some other windoze apps
[09:27] <RQ> and his server runs debian
[09:27] <RQ> so i'm thinking that maybe ubuntu is OK
[09:28] <RQ> maybe not... dunno...
[09:28] <ironwolf> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[09:28] <ironwolf> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[09:28] <StevenR> ironwolf: no, i've never used debian really. my linxu route is RH suse gentoo slackware. I'm looking into ubuntu out of mainly curiousity possibly to install on a spare machine
[09:28] <ironwolf> <--- for StevenR
[09:28] <dablitz> ironwolf where is the Mulitvers
[09:28] <madsen> dablitz: Sorry, no... It's not a subject I'm very much into. Sorry. :/
[09:28] <dablitz> thanks any madsen
[09:29] <ironwolf> dablitz: /etc/apt/sources.list change universe to multiverse.
[09:29] <dablitz> Heinlein?
[09:29] <dablitz> thanks ironwolf
[09:29] <ironwolf> dablitz: original reference to multiverse. :)
[09:30] <StovePipe> What about the Underverse?
[09:31] <StevenR> ironwolf: what are the deb bits on those links you gave me?
[09:31] <Iskanje> Another ?... How do I change the resolution of the GDM login screen?
[09:32] <madsen> Iskanje: I think that follows the X setup.
[09:32] <madsen> Gotta reboot. (New kernel.) Brb!
[09:32] <StevenR> ironwolf: what arch is the base system compiled for? i586? i386?
[09:32] <Iskanje> Well.. On desktop I can define the resolution, but not on GDM..
[09:33] <ironwolf> StevenR: base is i386, things what be multimedia are i586 i386 ik6 etc.
[09:33] <StevenR> ok
[09:33] <ironwolf> StevenR: yes, those bits in your /etc/apt/sources.list will give you "the universe"
[09:34] <bogl> Can I fix cups by deleting etc/cups & reinstalling?
[09:34] <ironwolf> StovePipe: sshhh.. underverse is our little secret. :)
[09:34] <StevenR> ironwolf: i dont have ubuntu yet, just browsing the packages files in the tree. I'm doing my research before installing anything
[09:34] <ironwolf> bogl apt-get --purge remove cups
[09:35] <ironwolf> StevenR: download the LiveCD, testdrive it.  You need not install it to run it... :)
[09:35] <StevenR> cool
[09:35] <ironwolf> StevenR: very. :)
[09:38] (stvn/#ubuntu) has anyone managed to get TV-out on a radeon in ubuntu?
[09:40] <dablitz> does anyone know how I would create a /dev/null1
[09:42] <osiris_22> ubuntu probablyb wouldnt see my microsoft pcmcia wireless lan card will it?
[09:42] <StevenR> ironwolf: thanks for all the info, very helpful :)
[09:42] <dablitz> osiris_22 you can try ndiswrapper
[09:43] <dablitz> i have my broadcom running that way
[09:43] <osiris_22> im not to linux savy to get it working lmao
[09:44] <narx|ubuntu> hi, i have a question for ya all
[09:44] <ironwolf> StevenR: We're here to help.
[09:44] <ironwolf> narx: ask away.
[09:45] <Riddell> hi StevenR
[09:45] <Riddell> StevenR: you can add KDE but it's not the newest version
[09:45] <StevenR> hi Riddell  :)
[09:45] <narx|ubuntu> my network configuration is perfect (or it just seem so..) but i cannot resolve any name
[09:45] <mirak> madsen: ?
[09:45] <StevenR> Riddell: o :)
[09:46] <Riddell> StevenR: I have some KDE 3.3 packages
[09:46] <narx|ubuntu> i receive my ip via dhcp and if i use the "live" ubuntu it works ok
[09:46] <StevenR> Riddell: i dont have ubuntu yet, still running slackware atm. doin some research
[09:46] <narx|ubuntu> any idea?
[09:47] <RQ> hmz
[09:47] <RQ> one more question. How soon should i expect ubuntu CD's?
[09:47] <RQ> i ordered a bunch of them a month ago maybe
[09:47] <RQ> if not earlier
[09:48] <narx|ubuntu> i received the CDs 2 days ago
[09:48] <narx|ubuntu> is there a way to install the "live" version to hdd? :)
[09:49] <ironwolf> RQ they just shipped.  Expect them this week I think.
[09:50] <ironwolf> narx.. Computer-->system configuration-->Networking
[09:50] <narx|ubuntu> ironwolf: i did it
[09:51] <narx|ubuntu> the files /etc/resolv.conf, the DNS addr and the routing table look ok
[09:51] <ironwolf> narx: goto a terminal window.  $ host www.google.com.
[09:51] <ironwolf> what's it say?
[09:52] <narx|ubuntu> but i cannot ping
[09:52] <narx|ubuntu> ironwolf: it doesn't work
[09:52] <narx|ubuntu> the strange thing is that the live version works ok
[09:52] <narx|ubuntu> and i did the default install
[09:53] <narx|ubuntu> btw, now i'm on windows.. :|
[09:53] <RQ> ironwolf, ok :)
[09:54] <narx|ubuntu> ironwolf: any idea is appreciated :)
[09:56] <qopi> hello people
[09:57] <qopi> why doesn't ubuntu shut down my laptop? and what is that X that appears (and stays) in the middle of the screen (until an active window goes over it) everytime I start up?
[10:05] <tmp> lo guys
[10:07] <tmp> whe i try to access phpmyadmin ( using http://localhost/phpmyadmin ), firefox asks to save the file , confused ?? any ideas ??
[10:11] <kent> tmp, becaus you have not configured php correctly?  (that is, if it uses php.  I got that message when i hav'nt configured php)
[10:11] <bash> some one instaler medal of honor on linux ?
[10:11] <tmp> ok , will check on apache2.conf ...
[10:14] <ironwolf> qopi: no clue... that sounds really weird.  File a bug maybe?
[10:15] <Slipie> Hi there!
[10:15] <potajito> hi
[10:15] <potajito> do you know if ubuntu repos are working?all the packages give me 404
[10:16] <potajito> they worked yesterday
[10:16] <Slipie> Does anyone know how i can install ubuntu linux with an bootdisk.
[10:16] <qopi> ironwolf: no clue about the X, i take it?
[10:16] <Slipie> My pc can't boot from cd-rom
[10:17] <qopi> ironwolf: any idea about the not shutting down thing (is terminates everything, and then just says "power down"
[10:17] <ironwolf> qopi: my laptop doesn't powerdown either.  I assume APM/APCI bits.  Hopefully fixed in hoary.
[10:17] <ironwolf> qopi: for X? NFC.... sounds really weird.  ask in devel maybe.
[10:18] <qopi> ironwolf: ask in devel? is that another channel?
[10:19] <richo778> newbie to ubuntu, I need help, how do I hardware detect my sound card
[10:19] <ironwolf> qopi: ask in ubuntu-devel, sounds like an install/config of X problem.  I could be worng
[10:20] <ironwolf> richo778: did it not detect by default?
[10:20] <richo778> right
[10:20] <richo778> it's a soundblaster card
[10:21] <ironwolf> ricko778: do you have no sound in some particular app?
[10:21] <richo778> no sound at all the card didn't detect during install
[10:22] <richo778> is there a "sndconfig" or something like it
[10:23] <ironwolf> richo778: what's device manager say?
[10:23] <richo778> it has nothing about a sound card
[10:24] <ironwolf> richo778: does lspci find it?
[10:25] <richo778> no
[10:25] <richo778> maybe I'll just try re-installing the system again and see if it finds it this time
[10:27] <richo778> thanks for your time Ironwolf I appreciate it
[10:28] <potajito> do you know if ubuntu repositories are working?all the packages give me 404
[10:28] <ironwolf> richo778: is it a PCI or ISA card?
[10:29] <richo778> ISA
[10:29] <ironwolf> richo778: one sec
[10:30] <JStrike> potajito : works for me
[10:31] <potajito> does inkscape work for you?
[10:31] <potajito> i want to download it, but it dind't work, so I download the sources, but i neeed some gtk stuff, but it also give 404
[10:32] <potajito> not my day
[10:32] <ironwolf> potajito: I can get to the archive.
[10:32] <JStrike> Dont have Inkscape installed
[10:33] <potajito> ironwolf: wart or hoary?
[10:34] <ploum> hello
[10:34] <ploum> someone called me ?
[10:35] <Matt|> hiya. Huge problem. I can't attach files. I've tried in evolution and in gaim so far, and both just crash quick as you like. I believe this is with the recent updates in hoary, but i don't know how long this has been the situation - I can't remember last time i tried to attach a file ;) Any ideas?
[10:35] <ironwolf> potajito: both
[10:35] <ironwolf> rich0778: try apt-get install isapnptools
[10:35] <Matt|> ok it's def. the new updates, probably nautilus
[10:36] <spacey`ki> http://www.isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0017-binfmt_elf.txt ubuntu kernel already fixed for this?
[10:36] <spacey`ki> ah it is
[10:36] <spacey`ki> USN-30-1
[10:36] <pridkett> anyone have a prism2 mini pci card working?  mine went wonky recently and ubuntu can't seem to fix it.  I'm getting orinoco_lock() called with hw_unavailable messages in /var/log/messages
[10:36] <richo778> it can't find that package
[10:37] <potajito> done ironwolf
[10:37] <potajito> it works
[10:37] <pridkett> and as an FYI, it was working fine in Fedora
[10:37] <potajito> i will try apt-get update
[10:38] <richo778> ironwolf don't worry about it I'm going to throw in another card and see how that goes
[10:38] <richo778> thanks for the help
[10:38] <richo778> have a good day
[10:38] <potajito> pulg in and plug it put it worked for my scsi controller
[10:41] <potajito> now it works with apt-get update !! ;)
[10:48] <melanie> my nautilus doesn't work anymore after today's hoary update
[10:49] <JStrike> melanie : And that is to expected when you run a development release
[10:50] <jpvcx> melanie: have you restarted the x server? That fixed it for me.
[10:50] <andril> hello all
[10:50] <melanie> JStrike: since now everything worked fine
[10:50] <melanie> jpvcx: no, but i'm going to try it, thanks
[10:51] <Matt|> melanie, what is the problem?
[10:51] <Matt|> ah damn
[10:51] <Matt|> jpvcx, what is the problem?
[10:51] <Matt|> mebbe it is the same as mine
[10:52] <Matt|> perhaps I should have restarted X before filing a bug :(
[10:52] <Matt|> Be RiGhT bAcK
[10:52] <defendguin> how is the hedgehog coming?
[10:54] <jpvcx> and?
[10:54] <Matt|> crap
[10:54] <Matt|> thanks jpape
[10:54] <jpvcx> heh
[10:54] <Matt|> thanks jpvcx
[10:59] <topyli> Matt|: how is evolution doing in hoary these days?
[11:00] <Matt|> topyli, it's fine
[11:00] <Matt|> topyli, i'm thinking of learning how to use a command line email tho
[11:01] <topyli> Matt|: well, mutt does rock.
[11:02] <topyli> was evolution ever broken to you? it might have been my imap partly
[11:02] <Matt|> i use pop so maybe
[11:02] <Matt|> how does mutt work?
[11:03] <Matt|> i was thinking of setting up some kind of server on my desktop and trying to log in to get my mail
[11:03] <topyli> dunno, i don't have a hoary box right now. i'm thinking about going back to hoary at work though
[11:03] <topyli> that's what i do
[11:03] <Matt|> topyli, know of any good howtos?
[11:03] <Matt|> simple ones
[11:04] <topyli> here's one: install ssh and dovecot, open ssh and imaps ports :)
[11:04] <Matt|> i am using sshd on that box
[11:04] <Matt|> what is dovecot?
[11:05] <cardador> topyli: are you able to acess imap on evolution? i cant
[11:05] <topyli> cardador: not on hoary
[11:05] <Matt|> oh really
[11:05] <Matt|> weird
[11:05] <topyli> Matt|: it's a small and secure pop/imap server
[11:05] <topyli> yeah, i blame evo
[11:05] <Matt|> topyli, can it download my other mail?
[11:06] <seb128_> cardador: evo version, secure connection ?
[11:06] <seb128_> the secure connection support is broken in 2.1.0
[11:06] <Matt|> ah
[11:06] <seb128_> turn the secure to never (always works perhaps too, not sure)
[11:06] <topyli> Matt|: perhaps via pop
[11:06] <seb128_> "whenever possible" is broken
[11:06] <topyli> oh, seb128_ knows
[11:07] <Matt|> topyli, yeah pop is what i use for my email providers
[11:07] <cardador> seb128: i tried that too, it doesnt work
[11:07] <Matt|> topyli, so i could get this dovecot program to get my pop mail and serve everything?
[11:08] <Drago> whats the name for the expirimental ubuntu?
[11:08] <Drago> horay?
[11:08] <topyli> Matt|: fetch with fetchmail, serve with dovecot. dove handles both pop and imap
[11:08] <Matt|> hooray!
[11:08] <Matt|> Drago, hoary
[11:08] <Matt|> :p
[11:08] <topyli> hehe
[11:08] <Drago> ahh k
[11:08] <topyli> whorey
[11:08] <Drago> =P
[11:10] <topyli> Matt|: i'm not saying it has to be dovecot. it's just nice and small -> simple and secure
[11:10] <topyli> you don't have thousands of clients anyway do you?
[11:10] <Matt|> ?
[11:11] <topyli> i mean the mail server
[11:11] <Matt|> i dunno anything about email
[11:11] <topyli> huh? i thought you were setting up dovecot :)
[11:12] <asdfv> hi
[11:12] <asdfv> i need help
[11:13] <asdfv> i've just installed ubuntu
[11:13] <asdfv> but it doesn't connect to the web, why?
[11:13] <topyli> ummmm... hard to say
[11:14] <asdfv> everything works
[11:14] <asdfv> only internet doesn't work
[11:14] <asdfv> i have a lan t3 connection
[11:15] <asdfv> with mandrake it was ok
[11:15] <topyli> do you mean the web doesn't work? irc seems to work ok :)
[11:15] <asdfv> no i'm using win2000(bleah)
[11:15] <topyli> ah. so you can't connect at all.
[11:15] <melanie> my bluetooth manager does not work anymore. i tried to reinstall but nothing changed. it doesn't start
[11:16] <topyli> asdfv: how do you connect?
[11:16] <asdfv> with lan
[11:17] <topyli> asdfv: dhcp or static?
[11:17] <asdfv> static
[11:18] <Drago> nyone know the expocity link to add to the apt sources for ubuntu?
[11:18] <Drago> *any
[11:18] <topyli> asdfv: is the interface up and looking ok when you do 'ifconfig'?
[11:19] <asdfv> mmm...i haven't tried yet
[11:19] <asdfv> i'm not very expert
[11:20] <topyli> asdfv: if it doesn't show, you should do 'sudo ifup eth0' and see if network comes up and if it shows in 'ifconfig'. if not, 'ifconfig' will show only the "lo" (loopback) device.
[11:20] <asdfv> ok i'll try now
[11:22] <ddepiano> hey folks, I'm having a problem with postfix.  I can't get the server to accept any mail sent from outside my network.  The folks in #postfix sent me back here
[11:22] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) haha
[11:22] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) ddepiano: that's not nice of them :)
[11:22] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) ddepiano: what do the logs say
[11:23] <ddepiano> HrdwrBoB: well that's the problem.  The traffic enters my router, gets forwarded to this computer then gets dropped
[11:24] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) ddepiano: is it listening on the ethernet interface?
[11:24] <ddepiano> HrdwrBoB: what do you mean by that?
[11:24] <jpvcx> Drago: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ expocity/
[11:25] <granlatigo> hi
[11:25] <ddepiano> HrdwrBoB: I can only connect to the server from localhost
[11:25] <granlatigo> anyone have problems to connect with a win2k'
[11:25] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) netstat -an|grep LISTEN|grep 25
[11:25] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) run that command
[11:26] <ddepiano> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:25            <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN
[11:26] <ddepiano> tcp6       0      0 ::1:25                  :::*                    LISTEN
[11:26] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) ahh yep
[11:26] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) see it's not listening on the external interface
[11:26] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) if you edit /etc/postfix/master.cf
[11:26] <ddepiano> so if I change that to my IP it should work?
[11:27] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) it will have something like localhost:smtp
[11:27] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) remove the 'localhost' bit
[11:27] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) save, quit, restart postfix
[11:27] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) why are you running your own internet mailserver?
[11:27] <sulkd> ddepiano, take a look at /etc/postfix/main.cf, more specifically the "mynetworks" line
[11:28] <triablo> whatup
[11:28] <ddepiano> HrdwrBoB: well I was running qmail because I have extremely low traffic email and I wanted it to go with my low traffic website
[11:29] <topyli> triablo: serious hanging around, with some newbie love involved
[11:29] <usual> great nautilus is borked in hoary hehe
[11:29] <triablo> topyli: that's the way it whould be.
[11:29] <topyli> yep
[11:29] <jpvcx> usual: restart x server = problem solved
[11:29] <triablo> =)
[11:29] <usual> jpvcx, ahh ok :)
[11:29] <usual> will do
[11:31] <Drago> jpvcx, thanks
[11:31] <triablo> q: i installed fluxbox (because i hate the gnome env) but i can't seem to get it into the list of envirinments at the login screen. how do i put it there?
[11:31] <RuffianSoldier> bob2
[11:34] <ddepiano> HrdwrBoB: Dude you just solved a problem I've been working on all day THANKS!
[11:34] <topyli> got to go to sleep. when asdfv comes back, please help him/her/it with the static inet connection :)
[11:35] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) ddepiano: that's ok, glad to help :)
[11:35] <Marcellus_Wallac> hi, is anybody having problems with gdesklets on hoary?
[11:36] <narcisiss> after i type "ifconfig eth0 up" i receive this message from the kernel:
[11:36] <narcisiss> 	Message from syslogd@localhost at Mon Nov 22 23:23:40 2004 ...
[11:36] <narcisiss> localhost kernel: Disabling IRQ #233
[11:36] <narcisiss> 	where 233 is the irq of the eth card
[11:36] <narcisiss> 	so i cannot use the net
[11:36] <narcisiss> 	how can i change that irq?
[11:44] <daveon> helloes
[11:44] <Gmail> hi
[11:45] <one_2_one> hy
[11:45] <one_2_one> any one knows where/how i can install mplayer for ppc ?
[11:50] <benjanet> hi do i add an NTFS file system to my ubuntu ?
[11:53] <daveon> how can I install monodevelop on ubuntu?
[11:54] <jdz_> benjanet: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[11:55] <kensai> It should be illegal to use windows and more ilegal mounting it on Linux LOL ;)
[11:55] <jdz_> kensai: People should be free to do as they wish
[11:56] <usual> jdz_, unless it involves supporting bush
[11:56] <usual> hehe
[11:56] <jdz_> daveon: Have you checked Universe?
[11:56] <kensai> jdz_, vahh I was joking I was once a Windows user but now I'm windows free since a year
[11:56] <daveon> what is universe?
[11:56] <daveon> :-)
[11:56] <jdz_> usual: I support people's right to support Bush, even if I did not vote for him myself
[11:57] <usual> jdz_, it's sad I didn't vote at all this time
[11:57] <kensai> vah Why vote if democracy is a fantasy?
[11:57] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) why not vote and then whinge about the result
[11:58] <asdfv> hi
[11:58] <Cuga_> daveon, Universe apt source is basically the rest of the debian unstable branch, gives you few thousand more packages to be installed via apt
[11:58] <asdfv> i need help
[11:58] <kensai> HrdwrBoB, Thats why I don't vote and don't whine neither ;)
[11:58] <daveon> I've got the getsweaa sources but I still cannot install monodevelop
[11:58] <Cuga_> daveon, edit the /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the lines for universe
[11:58] <daveon> thanks
[11:59] <asdfv> i've just installed ubuntu (before i had mandrake) and somethings don't work
[11:59] <Cuga_> asdfv, like?
[11:59] <asdfv> i can't login as root
[11:59] <daveon> Cuga_  could it break any packages?
[11:59] <Cuga_> asdfv, if you would have read the notes during the installer, you would know why
[11:59] <jdz_> kensai: Heh, well, as they say -- the USA is only one party away from facisism ;)
[12:00] <asdfv> what do you mean?
[12:00] <Cuga_> daveon, its possible


[12:48] <DammitJim> hey guys, what software should I use for sharing my desktop so that someone can see what I'm doing?
[15:50] <zoopster> DammitJim: google hangout
[15:50] <DammitJim> ty... using skype now


[16:13] <danii3> omg finally found ppl....anyone around?
[16:14] <danii3> beginner support seems dead
[16:14] <danii3> anyone?
[16:20] <Aquix> yeah
[16:40] <Bachstelze> danii3: tech support happens in #ubuntu
[16:41] <danii3> thanks am there!
[18:30] <steemed> :\


[05:49] <blakemizerany> I'm a first-time upstarter.  I've installed ubuntu 2.6.28 on VMWare fusion.  I've also placed the `echo --Bounced--` script in /etc/init/foo.conf.  When I run `start foo` or `initctl emit bounced` they all say "unkown job foo".. can anyone help?  is /etc/init the right place to put these?
[21:34] <wasabi> I have an upstart job that has died.
[21:34] <wasabi> Yet it still think it's stop/waiting.
[21:34] <wasabi> Oh. N/m
[21:34] <wasabi> It just never respawned it.


[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #67859 in xserver-xorg-driver-i810 "driver fails to read BIOS video mode 1400x1050 on Toshiba M400" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67859
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #67970 in xorg "BSOD on ppc" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67970
[03:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #67971 in xorg "xedit missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67971
[04:29] <Ubugtu> New bug: #67941 in xorg (main) "Installation of Kubuntu <IP_ADDRESS> does not work " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67941
[06:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68001 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 "madwifi driver does not work with bridging in vmware workstation/server/player" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68001
[06:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #67996 in xorg (main) "aborts /usr/X11R6/bin not empty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67996


[21:24] <tomreyn> Cyanbird: It's probably not wrong to read as much as you can ;-) but note that 21.10 is an old release, which is already reaching end of life.
[21:25] <tomreyn> well, it's from october last year, and not a long term release, so supported for 9 months.
[21:26] <tomreyn> 22.04 LTs would be the latest, but i'm not sure whether there is a similar QA thread on it (it seems likely, though)
 Yeah I mean I will follow the being a tester links they provided~
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware
 do i need to edit my hardware since it said no longer include this option?
 Next testing week is scheduled for June 30 22.10 Kinectic https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/kinetic-kudu-release-schedule/27263 (re @Cyanbird: Yeah I mean I will follow the being a tester links they provided~)
 https://matterbridge.thomas-ward.net/5ddf7314/file_172.jpg
 Or i dont need to mention hardware in here
 oh great! (re @Leokolb: Next testing week is scheduled for June 30 22.10 Kinectic https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/kinetic-kudu-release-schedule/27263)
 anyway i will try to have a test on jammy daily, hope everything going right...


[00:14] <robru> mterry, ping
[00:15] <mterry> robru, yo
[00:15] <robru> mterry, do you have a sec to help me with more vala async voodoo?
[00:16] <mterry> robru, sure
[00:16] <robru> mterry, ok, so I've got a number of methods that look like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1595270/
[00:17] <robru> mterry, and what I'm trying to do there, is make the method behave *synchronously* even though it's built on top of an async API. so, eg, it needs to block the thread, in order to return the value from the callback
[00:18] <robru> mterry, but obviously it's not doing that. it calls the method successfully, then returns null immediately, and the callback gets called but not in time to return the value
[00:18] <mterry> robru, begin can't do that
[00:18] <mterry> robru, begin as you see exits quick.  There's no current syntactic sugar for doing what you want.
[00:18] <mterry> robru, you need to make a new GLib.MainLoop()
[00:18] <mterry> robru, and run it, and exit it in the callback
[00:19] <mterry> or rather .quit() it in the callback
[00:19] <robru> mterry, what are the implications of having a bunch of mainloops happening concurrently? will they interfere with each other in any way?
[00:19] <mterry> and .run() it after the .begin() call
[00:19] <mterry> robru, no
[00:20] <mterry> robru, shouldn't be any problems with nested loops
[00:20] <robru> mterry, ok, just that there's like a dozen of these, and we're expecting them to be running a lot. not sure if there's, eg, memory usage concerns with having dozens of mainloops going at the same time
[00:21] <mterry> robru, well, you don't have many options, unless you can afford to actually block (which it sounds like you can't).  You need a main loop to handle events while you wait.  And you can't exit the function
[00:21] <mterry> robru, but I don't think MainLoops are expensive
[00:22] <robru> mterry, ok
[00:22] <robru> mterry, just for example, I had a similar problem in python one time, and I handled with by calling time.sleep() inside of a while loop:
[00:22] <robru> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~super-friends/friends/trunk/view/head:/friends/utils/authentication.py#L45
[00:23] <mterry> robru, ah, that's actual blocking.  I don't like doing that
[00:23] <robru> (in that case, mainloops weren't working for me, because we had some kind of bug where the callback wasn't getting called, so I needed a way to force a timeout. calling time.sleep() a fixed number of times was an easier way to be able to measure how long we've been waiitng, and then give up the wait.
[00:24] <robru> mterry, yeah, in that case we specifically needed to block that whole thread, because everything the thread was about to do hinged on getting the results back from that function -- so we just had to sit there and wait for the callback. it's a threaded app, so other threads were able to do their own thing -- only the one thread was blocked, not the whole app.
[00:24] <mterry> robru, I vote MainLoop, but if you can afford to real block, sleep is fine
[00:25] <robru> mterry, ok, I'll try to figure out mainloops ;-)
[00:25] <mterry> robru, I see, there, real blocking was a feature not a bug  :)
[00:26]  * mterry has to go
[00:26] <robru> mterry, ok great, thanks
[05:59] <pitti> Good morning
[05:59] <desrt> pitti: word.
[06:00] <pitti> desrt: bonjour, comment est FOSDEM?
[06:01] <desrt> ĝi ne ekis ankoraŭ
[06:08] <pitti> desrt: right, I mean the GNOME hackfest
[06:08] <desrt> ah.  bona
[06:08] <desrt> hodiaŭ estas la fina tago
[06:09] <desrt> ĉu vi venos hodiaŭ aŭ morgaŭ?
[06:21] <pitti> desrt: ^ heh, I can decipher that without gtranslate :)
[06:22] <pitti> desrt: je vais arriver à demain
[06:22] <desrt> pitti: that's the point!
[06:29] <Mirv> does totem work in raring for most? I haven't figured what's causing bug #1103747
[06:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1103747 in totem (Ubuntu) "Totem could not startup." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1103747
[06:31] <pitti> Mirv: yeah, since glibc 2.17 it works perfectly here
[06:40] <Mirv> I thought so, given the low visibility in LP
[06:40] <Mirv> but interesting: libgstclutter.so is blacklisted for me...
[06:41] <Mirv> I wonder what's doing that and where
[07:16] <Mirv> updated the bug a bit but didn't find anything useful
[07:28] <jibel> good morning
[08:15] <robru> pitti, I just replied to your email, but now I am off to sleep! Hopefully that is not too overwhelming for you to read ;-)
[08:15] <robru> good night all!
[08:15] <pitti> robru: goodnight
[10:38] <chrisccoulson> ah, crap @ https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=836050
[10:38] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 836050 in DOM "Make Element::GetAttr/HasAttr/AttrValueIs non-virtual" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[10:38] <chrisccoulson> that's the end of our addon now ;)
[10:40] <Laney> how come?
[10:41] <chrisccoulson> Laney, these functions aren't exposed. the only reason we ever managed to use them is because they were virtual
[10:41] <chrisccoulson> which sucks
[10:42] <chrisccoulson> the reality is, binary addons are dead
[10:42] <chrisccoulson> and this is pretty much the final nail in the coffin
[10:42] <chrisccoulson> which means i need to urgently finish off my reimplementation of this, else we'll be shipping an update without a menubar ;)
[11:43] <pitti> Mirv: confirmed, it broke today
[11:43] <pitti>  (totem)
[11:44] <pitti> it just takes ages to start
[11:51] <ogra> lovely, lightdm lost fat !
[11:52] <ogra> thats impressive ... 27MB less
[11:59] <Mirv> pitti: ok.. might be different from my problem, though. it does start immediately, pops up the error about missing gstclutter and closes when ok is pressed
[12:58]  * ogra is impressed, so my idling desktop on the nexus7 is down from 640M to 357 here
[12:58] <ogra> according to htop at least
[13:37] <pitti> does anybody else get "WARNING **: Couldn't register with accessibility bus:" warnings and long hangs for each and every program now?
[13:58] <davmor2> ogra: there is a nice python app call statgrab that can give you a load of info on either a single app or everything running http://www.i-scream.org/libstatgrab/ will give you more info
[13:58] <ogra> nice ! thanks
[13:59] <davmor2> ogra: I found 3 memory leaks in USC using my script that made use of it.  Of course it took mvo about a month to find the cause but it has proved it's worth :)
[14:00] <ogra> hehe
[14:15] <seb128> pitti, no such issue here
[14:16] <seb128> pitti, you have at-spi-core2 installed I guess?
[14:17] <pitti> oh, no, I don't
[14:17] <pitti> oh, at-spi2-core; I do have that
[14:20] <pitti> seb128: FYI, finally tracked down the weird gvfs autopkgtest failure, uploaded a fix
[14:20] <seb128> pitti, great
[14:46] <seb128> ogra, the meeting is in 1h15 right?
[14:47] <seb128> hum, I'm pretty sure it is ;-)
[14:47] <seb128> in any case I'm off an hour for exercice, will be back on time for it
[15:02] <Laney> pitti: I see that message but it doesn't seem to noticeably delay startup
[15:18] <lool> stgraber: Ah, I see cyphermox is on leave today; would you know whether he intended to upload the latest connman release?  I remember he packaged it in bzr somewhere, but I'm not sure what's holding it back for raring, would you know?
[15:18] <pitti> Laney: ok, then maybe I just need to restart my session
[15:18] <cyphermox> lool: no it's blocked on kernel headers being broken
[15:19] <cyphermox> I haven't looked back to see if those were fixed yesterday though
[15:19] <cyphermox> it was still being discussed on LKML not long ago so I assumed it wasn't patched anywhere yet
[15:19] <cyphermox> I would really rather not upload connman with a ugly hack to make it work
[15:21] <cyphermox> lool: OTOH, it could still be uploaded, it will work it's just likely to break once the headers change again -- it's all in bzr at lp:~mathieu-tl/connman/1.10 I can upload that in a minute it you think we should have it now regardless
[15:22]  * pitti scratches head on https://launchpadlibrarian.net/130118936/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-i386.gvfs_1.15.2-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:22] <pitti> gtk 3 already built an moved to raring
[15:22] <pitti> why the hell is it uninstallable in a buildd?
[15:23] <pitti> I already retried the build
[15:23] <pitti> oh, now http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/raring-proposed_probs.html is full of it
[15:23] <pitti> it wasn't yet when I retried
[15:24] <lool> cyphermox: sorry for interrupting your leave; thanks for the pointers!
[15:25] <pitti> so what broke -proposed so hard?
[15:25] <Laney> skew from libxkbcommon it seems
[15:25] <cyphermox> lool: ah, I'm still looking at IRC for the next hour or so
[15:25] <lool> cyphermox: Kernel headers > is that a case of headers not being in linux-libc-dev?
[15:26] <lool> cyphermox: Worst case, we can copy a header from linux until this is sorted out?
[15:26] <cyphermox> nah, it's some incompatibility between the headers in the kernel and what's in libc
[15:26] <Laney> err, wait
[15:26] <lool> cyphermox: do you have a link to that?
[15:26] <cyphermox> lool: I did patch it locally in my bzr branch
[15:26] <lool> ah great
[15:26] <Laney> why does libgtk-3-0 have such a tight dep on libxkbcommon0?
[15:26] <cyphermox> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/connman/1.10/view/head:/debian/patches/fix_build_with_kernel_3.8.0.patch
[15:27] <lool> looking
[15:27] <pitti> Laney: yeah, that seems a bit excessively tight
[15:27] <Laney> -V?
[15:27] <cyphermox> lool: I was hoping for the situation to be sorted quickly upstream and then being able to upload without this patch, but if you think we need it now, I can just upload
[15:27] <pitti> $ cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/libxkbcommon0.shlibs
[15:27] <pitti> libxkbcommon 0 libxkbcommon0 (= 0.2.0-0ubuntu1)
[15:27] <pitti> Laney: ^ seems so
[15:28] <Laney> # Keep a close eye on the shlibs for the time being:
[15:28] <Laney> override_dh_makeshlibs: revision=$(shell dpkg-parsechangelog|grep ^Version:|sed 's/Version: //')
[15:28] <Laney> override_dh_makeshlibs: dh_makeshlibs -V "libxkbcommon0 (= $(revision))"
[15:28] <pitti> at least libxkbcommon is "valid candidate", so it should hopefully clear itself up now
[15:28] <lool> cyphermox: Since you did the work, I think it would be nice to get it now; we can update it with a cleaner patch later
[15:28] <Laney> no it won't
[15:29] <Laney> it's a transition
[15:29] <Laney> bdrung: ^^^^^^
[15:29] <Laney> seems to only be gtk and weston though
[15:30] <Laney> tjaalton: do you know if that shlibs condition can be relaxed now that libxkbcommon is considered more stable?
[15:30] <cyphermox> lool: ack, I'll just run it through sbuild one last time here to be sure it builds properly
[15:31] <lool> cyphermox: we don't even have the command-line tools in the current Ubuntu packages, do we?
[15:31] <cyphermox> no
[15:31] <cyphermox> but it's in my package
[15:31] <lool> 0.78 -> 1.10 is definitely a great win; the linux header thing is really minor in comparison
[15:33] <Laney> tjaalton: (also, I don't see the recent Ubuntu changes in git; would be nice to have them there IMO)
[15:33] <pitti> Laney: oh indeed, we'll need to rebuild gtk3 against it, sorry
[15:33] <pitti> Laney: care to add a block to libxkbcommon?
[15:34] <pitti> Laney: this shouldn't migrate to raring as it is, it'll make everything uninstalalble
[15:34] <pitti> Laney: too bad that britney doesn't pick that up
[15:34] <Laney> pitti: britney does pick it up
[15:34] <Laney> pitti: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt is generally the more interesting file
[15:34] <cyphermox> lool: there is also a patch in bts that would be nice to have
[15:34] <Laney> _excuses is just package-local checks
[15:34] <pitti> Laney: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html says "valid candidate"
[15:35] <pitti> Laney: oh, ok; so it will not go in?
[15:35] <Laney> that means something like "valid to pass to the second stage"
[15:35] <Laney> indeed - see libxkbcommon there
[15:35] <pitti> Laney: so "skipped" means "thumbs down"_
[15:35] <pitti> _
[15:35] <pitti> eek, kbd lazout
[15:35] <pitti> ?
[15:35] <Laney> yeah
[15:36] <Laney> then the i386:... is all the packages that get made uninstallable
[15:36] <pitti> ok, thanks
[15:36] <Laney> I'd like tjaalton to comment on whether we can just use standard -V nowadays
[15:36] <lool> cyphermox: I guess you mean the upstream BTS rather than the Debian one as the latter doesn't seem to have any patch
[15:36] <Laney> so that we can future proof this
[15:37] <lool> cyphermox: if you like, I can include that patch if you point me at it; I dont want to make you work today
[15:37] <lool> cyphermox: are we still using https://code.launchpad.net/~connman-maintainers/connman/ubuntu.head ?
[15:37] <lool> not sure I can write to that
[15:37] <cyphermox> lool: nah
[15:38] <cyphermox> I based on debian's 1.0
[15:38] <lool> (BTW the old Ubuntu changelog entries seem to be gone; not sure if it's on purpose)
[15:38] <cyphermox> I'll include the patch in BTS (via uploading / merging this with debian and uploading to unstable with some help)
[15:38] <cyphermox> err
[15:38] <cyphermox> I must have forgotten to add them back
[15:39] <cyphermox> lool: it's not quite meant as a merge though, more like a sync with additional changes :)
[15:39] <lool> cyphermox: Ok; just let me know if I can help with anything on the Debian or Ubuntu side; I'd like Connman to be up-to-date in the archive as to allow for easier testing (no point in having a PPA if we can just push it to raring)
[15:40] <lool> cyphermox: That's fine; you can happily drop changelog entries if you've indeed started from Debian version and reapplied changes by hand
[15:40] <lool> I was just double-checkig
[15:40] <cyphermox> yeah, that's what I did
[15:40] <lool> cyphermox: I was thinking we should try to package some of the connman UIs since we don't have any indicator / applet for it
[15:41] <cyphermox> yes
[15:41] <cyphermox> there is some code that works for gtk2/ gnome-panel
[15:41] <cyphermox> it's not amazing, only works in xfce and the like, but it helps out
[15:41] <cyphermox> we really need a proper indicator to be written
[15:41] <lool> it's a good start while an indicator doesn't exist
[15:41] <cyphermox> yes
[15:42] <lool> we could even push it as far as having the same hack as nm-applet
[15:42] <cyphermox> https://github.com/tbursztyka/connman-ui
[15:42] <cyphermox> yes, possibly
[15:42] <cyphermox> I can package that on monday
[15:42] <cyphermox> (unless it's needed earlier
[15:43] <lool> cyphermox: it's not critically urgent to get the UI
[15:43] <lool> let's chat about it on Monday
[15:44] <cyphermox> sure
[15:44] <cyphermox> lool: connman 1.10 uploaded.
[15:45] <cyphermox> lool: if something doesn't work or people are unhappy, anyone feel free to fix things, I won't be available for the rest of the day
[15:45] <lool> cyphermox: thanks a lot
[15:45] <lool> cyphermox: and have a good week end
[15:46] <cyphermox> you too
[15:51] <ogra> seb128, 17:30 paris time :)
[15:52] <cyphermox> ogra: does today image actually work for bluetooth now?
[15:52] <ogra> well, i havent re-installed since a while, it works fine here though
[15:52] <cyphermox> ok
[15:52] <Laney> I could pair but not send a file from my phoen to the N7
[15:52] <cyphermox> Laney: ah, thanks
[15:53] <Laney> could be the android side being buggy
[15:53] <cyphermox> maybe the n7 doesn't have the gnome file sharing bits?
[15:53] <ogra> cyphermox, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/20130201/raring-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+nexus7.manifest shows "brcm-patchram-plus-nexus7	0.1.1"
[15:53] <cyphermox> great
[15:53] <cyphermox> yesterday's didn't have it
[15:53] <ogra> i can connect my kbd and a headset here
[15:53] <ogra> it just doesnt survive suspend
[15:55] <cyphermox> aye
[15:55] <cyphermox> ok so we'll need to figure out what's up with suspend
[15:57] <seb128> ogra, 17:30 ... trying to trick me 30min late? ;-)
[15:57] <ogra> heh, was it earlier ?
[15:57]  * ogra is confused
[15:58] <seb128> ogra, isn't the time 17:00?
[15:58] <seb128> ogra, I though it was on the hour, not half past
[15:59] <ogra> yeah, you are reight 16:00 UTC
[15:59] <seb128> hehe
[15:59] <seb128> you did try to trick me in being late!
[15:59] <ogra> now ... so to say
[15:59] <ogra> no, i'm just a bit confused, too many vet. visits this week
[16:03] <tjaalton> Laney: oh.. yes it can be relaxed. and the latest merge/sync is in git
[16:03] <tjaalton> the one I did anyway
[16:05] <attente> seb128: where is the meeting?
[16:07] <seb128> attente, #ubuntu-meeting
[16:11] <bdrung> Laney: yeah, we should relax the shlibs condition for libxkbcommon. i will do that.
[16:11] <tjaalton> Laney: so, should I upload a new libxkbcommon dropping it?
[16:11] <tjaalton> bdrung: please don't
[16:13] <bdrung> tjaalton: why not drop the shlibs condition and add a symbols file?
[16:14] <tjaalton> bdrung: I've dropped it locally already
[16:14] <tjaalton> updating the branch atm
[16:14] <bdrung> tjaalton: so you wanted to stop me because you are working at it?
[16:14] <tjaalton> bdrung: yes :)
[16:14] <bdrung> okay :)
[16:15] <bdrung> tjaalton: will you add a symbols file?
[16:15] <tjaalton> good idea, didn't do that yet..
[16:16] <bdrung> tjaalton: and please use 3.0 (quilt) source format or get the direct source changes converted to a patch
[16:16] <tjaalton> bdrung: it's pkg-xorg, 3.0 is a no-no
[16:17] <bdrung> why?
[16:17] <tjaalton> ask jcristau
[16:17] <tjaalton> or don't
[16:17] <tjaalton> :)
[16:17] <bdrung> then please specify version 1.0 in debian/source/format
[16:18] <tjaalton> yeah
[16:18] <bdrung> this will make clear that there were made a decision
[16:25] <Laney> tjaalton: cool, then please upload gtk and weston once you've done that
[16:26] <Laney> seb128: your staged gtk changes drop a symbol without updating the file
[16:26] <tjaalton> I'll update both wayland & weston too (1.0.4)
[16:26] <Laney> did you make sure nothing uses it ...
[16:27] <seb128> Laney, oh, sorry, and yes larsu had a workitems to investigate that, we added that patch/symbol for ido and it stopped using it
[16:27] <Laney> I wish for a codesearch.ubuntu.com (like codesearch.debian.net) in situations like this
[16:27]  * Laney wonders how hard that would be
[16:35] <tjaalton> someone uploaded libxkbcommon-0.2.0-0u2 already?
[16:36] <tjaalton> or since jan 9th
[16:36] <tjaalton> *after
[16:38] <Laney> yes, that's what alerted us to this
[16:39] <davmor2> ogra: on the n7 I'm just trying to setup online accounts and which ever I select for access I can't type in email and password for access :(  ie Facebook, Google, twitter.  All display the login creds but I can't type in them
[16:39] <ogra> bug :)
[16:43] <tjaalton> Laney: ok, uploaded -0u3
[16:43] <Laney> great
[16:43] <Laney> I'll upload gtk; you do w*
[16:44] <tjaalton> yeah
[16:44] <tjaalton> was about to ask someone else to take care of gtk :)
[21:07] <robru> cyphermox, ping
[21:22] <robru> hmmmm, packages.ubuntu.com only goes back as far as oneiric.... does anybody know how I might find out what version of a particular package shipped with lucid?
[21:23]  * robru puts on his Historian hat ;-)
[21:27] <robru> oh, weird, there we go: http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/lucid/network-manager
[22:20] <cyphermox> robru: pong
[22:20] <cyphermox> yeah, that sounds about right
[22:20] <robru> cyphermox, oh hey, yeah ;-)
[22:20] <cyphermox> anything specific you're wondering about network-manager?
[22:21] <robru> cyphermox, ok, well, basically what I'm needing is to just receive a signal whenever the network is connected or disconnected.
[22:21] <cyphermox> ah
[22:21] <robru> cyphermox, we already had some code for that, but it was really convoluted because it was trying to support 0.8 and 0.9 simultaneously ;-)
[22:21] <cyphermox> in C or python?
[22:21] <robru> cyphermox, was hoping to simplify it ;-)
[22:21] <robru> cyphermox, the new code will be vala actually.
[22:21] <cyphermox> C then :)
[22:22] <robru> cyphermox, :-P
[22:22] <robru> cyphermox, I'm not writing any C :-P
[22:22] <cyphermox> there are two aspects there
[22:22] <cyphermox> do you really need to support before 0.8?
[22:22] <robru> cyphermox, just using d-feet I see there's the StateChanged signal
[22:23] <robru> cyphermox, no, don't need to support 0.8 at all. it's just that the legacy gwibber code I inherited was already doing that. I was just trying to determine if it was feasible to toss it
[22:23] <cyphermox> yeah
[22:24] <cyphermox> you're not likely to ship new things to pre-oneiric
[22:25] <cyphermox> robru: so the real difference is mostly that state is now split from NM_STATE_CONNECTED into _LOCAL, _SITE, and _GLOBAL
[22:26] <robru> cyphermox, does that mean what it sounds like it means?
[22:27] <cyphermox> robru: I don't know?
[22:28] <cyphermox> it's three similarly name state enum types rather than just one
[22:28] <cyphermox> or perhaps more simply: http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/developers/api/09/spec.html#org.freedesktop.NetworkManager
[22:28] <robru> cyphermox, but, like, _GLOBAL refers to the internet, _SITE refers to the local LAN, and _LOCAL refers to the loopback device, right?
[22:28] <cyphermox> see the StateChanged signal
[22:28] <cyphermox> kind of
[22:29] <cyphermox> but you'll want to deal with all three the same way for now
[22:29] <cyphermox> that only really makes much of a difference on IPv6
[22:29] <cyphermox> and there's further reasons why we don't differenciate (e.g. connectivity checking, which we don't do quite yet)
[22:30] <robru> cyphermox, our current implementation looks like this: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~super-friends/friends/trunk/view/head:/friends/service/connection.py
[22:32] <cyphermox> yeah looks about right
[23:40] <bdrung> tjaalton, bryce: xkeyboard-config needs to be multiarchified. do you want to merge from Debian and add the multi-arch support or should i do that?
[23:58] <bryce> bdrung, go for it