[01:06] <Ironlenny_> I have a process that forks more than 2 times. I am using this hack (https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/406397/comments/44) to track the process, but it's still reporting the job as  stop/waiting even though the process is still running.
[01:14] <Ironlenny_> Has anyone run into this problem?


[04:04] <amazoniantoad> I just installed ubuntu server and why is virb0 my network interface? How can I replace this?
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> amazoniantoad: ususually -server gets more active on USA wakeup
[04:11] <amazoniantoad> lotuspsychje, i see
[05:07] <cpaelzer> good morning (where it applies)
[09:53] <yossarianuk> hi - I am trying to setup xseveral bridges (over a bind) in netplan - some of the bridges should be setup with no IP - i.e if I were using rhel/centos I would use 'BOOTPROTO=none' -
[09:53] <yossarianuk> what is the equivalent of BOOTPROTO=none in netplan config ?
[09:57] <yossarianuk> is there a better IRC room to ask for netplan questions ?
[09:57] <blackflow> yossarianuk: iirc just don't set the "address" property (and disable dhcp)
[09:57] <blackflow> sorry, "addresses"
[10:23] <yossarianuk> blackflow: thank you - should I do -  addresses:
[10:23] <yossarianuk> then leave the next line clabk
[10:23] <yossarianuk> or just miss off the 'addresses:' part completely ?
[10:24] <yossarianuk> Sorry that should have read ' then leave the next line blank'
[10:24] <blackflow> I think you can omit them completely, by default they're empty. also, dhcp is by default off, so I guess you just have to not set them
[10:24] <blackflow> yossarianuk: no. if you set "addresses" entry, it's a list, so you must set an empty list:    adresses: []
[10:24] <blackflow> or just omit it completely
[10:30] <yossarianuk> thank you
[10:30] <yossarianuk> i am liking netplan - just seems bit alien to me right now.
[10:36] <blackflow> yossarianuk: I think it's an unnecessary add-on complexity that doesn't solve any problems, and does create new ones (as it is not a complete, does not fully encapsulate what teh backends can do).
[10:37] <blackflow> but totally cool if you like it and it works for you :)
[11:06] <frickler> yossarianuk: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1763608
[11:10] <blackflow> ah there we go. "new problems created". yeah.
[12:02] <ahasenack> good morning
[12:14] <Ussat> o/
[12:22] <yossarianuk> ok - I have another netplan issue - I have one bridge  - using a bond - already with attached VLAN and its working .
[12:22] <yossarianuk> however if I want to add another bridge to add a different vlan I can't as both bridges are using the same bond
[12:24] <yossarianuk> i.e -> Error in network definition /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml line 20 column 16: test-databases: interface bond0 is already assigned to bridge br0
[12:24] <yossarianuk> any way around this ?
[12:32] <rbasak> ahasenack: any comment on bug 1824638?
[12:42] <yossarianuk> ah I think I have it...  can someone sanity check this  please ? -> https://pastebin.com/KTTTGpDu
[12:43] <ahasenack> rbasak: it's a lot of work, in this case we would have to build both py2 and py3 packages
[12:43] <ahasenack> rbasak: it's doable, but not something I should start without approval probably
[12:43] <ahasenack> rbasak: that being said, py2.7 being EOL is a larger issue, not just about samba, and I don't think ubuntu 18.04 will switch to py3 as a whole because of that
[12:44] <ahasenack> so while py2.7 might be eol, ubuntu 18.04 isn't
[12:45] <rbasak> ahasenack: that matches my opinion then, thanks.
[12:46] <ahasenack> rbasak: oh, I hadn't read your comment in the bug at all before I wrote the above :)
[13:12] <cyphermox> yossarianuk: yes, vlans first on the bond before you add each vlan to the right bridge
[14:22] <Encrypt> Hello everyone
[14:22] <Encrypt> I'm coming here on the advice of people from #ubuntu
[14:24] <teward> Encrypt: regarding...?
[14:24] <teward> (It'd help to know the problem you're facing)
[14:25] <yossarianuk> cyphermox: thanks for confirming !
[14:25] <Ussat> I would be very scared taking advice there but ok
[14:25] <Encrypt> I wanted to do a minimal install of Ubuntu so that I could only have i3wm and xorg as desktop environment. So I had downloaded the "minimal" image. However, since I'm in a corporate environment, we have a DEB repository which requires credentials.
[14:25] <yossarianuk> and yes its working..
[14:26] <Encrypt> I haven't found a way to give the credentials in the installer, not a workaround. Do you know if that's possible?
[14:29] <Encrypt> I tried adding the credentials when it is asked to input the repo url, but since it gives that input to wget to get the Release file, it fails... :S
[14:30] <Encrypt> As wget uses the --user and --password options
[14:32] <Encrypt> I finally had a look at the "choose-miror" binary which corresponds to that screen but it's indeed a binary and not a BASH script as I was hoping
[14:37] <tomreyn> Encrypt: wget actually does support passing username and password on the url (at least for http servers, have not checked other) according to its man page, see the --http-password description.
[14:57] <vahnx> Hi all. I'm attempting to install osticket on Ubuntu 18.04 but I've been struggling quite a bit. I'm at a point where all the tutorials seem pretty outdated. Can anyone here assist me in getting this up and running?
[14:58] <rbasak> vahnx: you're welcome to ask here, but I think you'll probably be able to get more help for osticket community support channels
[14:58] <vahnx> ok thanks. i'll check there first.
[15:17] <Encrypt> tomreyn: Indeed
[15:18] <Encrypt> The issue I'm actually pointing out is that it's impossible to set a private mirror that requires authentication at install time
[15:18] <Encrypt> Only setting a proxy is available, not setting the credentials for an APT repository
[15:24] <rbasak> Encrypt: is that with the new installer? Feel free to file a Wishlist bug.
[15:26] <Encrypt> rbasak, Hum... possible
[15:26] <Encrypt> I'll file a wishlist bug, sure :)
[15:36] <tomreyn> Encrypt: for now, run the advanced installer from your mini.iso and add these credentials into the server name field, before the hostname
[15:36] <tomreyn> so if the hostname was archive.ubuntu.com, make it<EMAIL_ADDRESS>instead
[15:37] <Encrypt> tomreyn, I tried, that didn't work :S
[15:37] <tomreyn> i see
[15:37] <tomreyn> it did the accept the input when i tried.
[15:38] <Encrypt> Since that is given to wget to download the Release file
[15:38] <Encrypt> And wget doesn't interpret it correctly
[15:39] <tomreyn> why so? since we seem to have worked out that wget does accept specifying username and password on the url?
[19:26] <jdstrand> the problem is the parser is not loading anything
[19:26] <jdstrand> meh
[20:56] <AvidWolf43> hi guys
[20:56] <AvidWolf43> Can anyone assist me with troubleshooting a landscape installation on azure vm that is not cooperating
[20:58] <AvidWolf43> I beleive it is a cert error
[20:59] <AvidWolf43> after running "apt install landscape-server-quickstart" it goes through everything but errors out in the post install saying "problems making certificate request"
[22:04] <sarnold> AvidWolf43: are there any more details in any logs?
[23:59] <Mead> I made a post about configuring ubuntu server are part of my own personal learning process.  Can anyone find any wrong information?  https://stubbedhomelab.blogspot.com/2019/04/the-headless-server.html


[10:15] <tomwardill> just when you think you're done with the firewall things... it strikes back!
[10:15] <tomwardill> just spent 10 minutes wondering why my bzr push wasn't working...
[10:26] <ilasc> tomwardill: was trying to think of something constructive to reply to that... came up with nothing :) I was pushing to the wrong repo yesterday, spent an hour wondering why things are not working as they should :D
[10:29] <tomwardill> computers: how do they work!?
[10:29] <wgrant> They don't.
[10:29] <tomwardill> ... a valid point
[10:31] <wgrant> I always drop in for the valuable contributions.
[10:31] <SpecialK|Canon> <3
[10:31] <ilasc> LOL
[11:26] <tomwardill> cjwatson: I'm getting the Mir thing on running tests now too
[11:30] <cjwatson> I haven't had time to debug it, so if you feel the urge then please do
[11:30] <cjwatson> It doesn't happen in the wrapper I normally use, only when I ssh into the container and run tests directly with bin/test
[11:31] <tomwardill> yeah, same
[14:19] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/378658 is another py3 dependency upgrade
[14:19] <cjwatson> full test suite passed
[14:26] <ilasc> do we feel strongly about names for the migration endpoint ? /migrate or /inject ?
[14:26] <ilasc> what are we leaning towards ?
[14:27] <cjwatson> ilasc: inject seems more explicit; I'd go with that
[14:28] <cjwatson> migrate leaves the direction unclear
[14:28] <ilasc> cjwatson: excellent, thanks! agreed
[14:28] <pappacena> +1 for inject. We could need this endpoint for other purposes, other than migration
[14:28] <ilasc> and forgot to say in Standup: thank you for taking on the webhooks QA and test issue!
[14:29] <ilasc> cool, we're all in agreement, thanks guys!
[14:30] <cjwatson> I was feeling slightly guilty about stealing that from you, but you did say you wanted to get onto lp-signing work
[14:30] <cjwatson> And as it happened writing target-generic tests for this turns out to be weirdly difficult
[14:30] <cjwatson> Something very odd going on in the innards of the navigation menu system
[14:35] <ilasc> hmmm.... definitely no need to feel guilty, that would've been a 3 months time sync for me by the sound of it, very glad I didn't step on that particular landmine at this point - really appreciate you looking at it, you're right I did want to get to lp-signing as soon as possible
[14:37] <cjwatson> ok :)
[14:53] <cjwatson> ilasc: https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/378660
[14:54] <ilasc> wow! that was fast! looking now
[14:54] <cjwatson> Well, I was working on it most of the morning :)
[14:55] <SpecialK|Canon> Agreed re inject, fwiw
[14:55] <cjwatson> Including lots of "why on earth is the navigation menu not showing up at all?"
[14:56] <ilasc> SpecialK|Canon: +1
[14:57] <ilasc> cjwatson: sounds like u had my kind of morning, however the first part did make laugh as in my world it would translate to "well I was working on it most of this spring" :)
[14:58] <ilasc> but I see what you mean on the navigation topic
[15:02] <tomwardill> cjwatson: the rename to 'oci_project' in the DB patch, are you intending to backport that fix to 'OCIProjectSeries'?
[15:03] <cjwatson> tomwardill: Renaming DB columns is kind of unreasonably painful.  I'd suggest it might be a good idea to paper over it at the app level though (i.e. oci_project_id = Int(name='ociproject', allow_none=False); oci_project = Reference(oci_project_id, "OCIProject.id"))
[15:03] <cjwatson> tomwardill: Sorry, I should have caught it before
[15:04] <tomwardill> well, the rename wasn't a thing before this patch :)
[15:04] <cjwatson> Yeah, but William is right that we've preferred this style in most new things for a while
[15:25] <tomwardill>  Ran 48 tests with 0 failures, 0 errors, 0 skipped in 7.600 seconds
[15:25] <tomwardill> now to re-add all the tests I've taken out
[15:32] <cjwatson> Ugh, I really hate system-site-packages, so confusing
[15:32] <tomwardill> indeed
[15:32] <tomwardill> I've had a fair few disagreements with that
[15:38] <cjwatson> I'd love to stop using it, but python-apt, mostly
[15:44] <cjwatson> https://github.com/sivel/python-apt-wheel   not quite the shape of thing I'd ideally like, but I wonder if it'd be worthwhile
[15:51] <tomwardill> that seems to be a lot of technology involved
[15:53] <cjwatson> Right, ideally we'd just unpack the .deb and slam it into a .whl
[15:54] <cjwatson> (We have a few other system Python dependencies too; it's never been worth solving all of them without a strategy for python-apt)
[15:55] <cjwatson> Also would need to think about how it interacts with OS upgrades
[15:58] <tomwardill> cjwatson: given the name uniqueness constraint on OCIRecipe, where is best to check for existing recipes with the same name on creation? the .new method of OCIRecipeSet?
[15:59] <cjwatson> tomwardill: I think that's our usual strategy, ues
[15:59] <cjwatson> *yes
[16:00] <cjwatson> Compare SnapSet.new
[16:01] <tomwardill> cool, thought so
[16:32] <SpecialK|Canon> I've lost count of how many times I've been bitten by MoinMoin syntax not being MD/rST
[16:33] <SpecialK|Canon> I only have enough room in my brain for a small number of markup languages
[17:11] <cjwatson> tomwardill: Could you have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/378670 ?  That's my system-site-packages nightmare for today
[17:11] <tomwardill> on it
[17:11] <cjwatson> And addresses the reason that qastaging isn't updating
[17:12] <cjwatson> Also staging in fact
[17:12] <cjwatson> dogfood was OK because it updates in place so had a cached wheel
[17:12] <cjwatson> But production would run into the same thing
[17:13] <tomwardill> well, it's kind of ergh-ish, but all fixes for this type of thing are :)
[17:14] <tomwardill> +1, lgtm, glad I didn't have to write it.
[17:17] <cjwatson> I would feel exactly that way if I hadn't had to write it
[17:17] <cjwatson> Thanks, and agreed
[17:39] <tomwardill> cjwatson: Storm is giving me "RuntimeError: Property used in an unknown class"
[17:40] <tomwardill> query looks like this: https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/tKWcSKWNTs/ in OCIRecipeSet
[17:42] <cjwatson> tomwardill: Can I see the OCIRecipe model?
[17:42] <cjwatson> Query itself looks OK
[17:42] <tomwardill> cjwatson: https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/kGHKKWdc2p/
[17:42] <tomwardill> oh wait
[17:42] <tomwardill> that's the interface
[17:43] <tomwardill> sec
[17:43] <cjwatson> I was going to say
[17:43] <tomwardill> cjwatson: https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/mV2nHh8Wvh/ slightly better
[17:46] <cjwatson> tomwardill: That looks OK to me.  Um.  What's the traceback?
[17:46] <cjwatson> tomwardill: Or maybe push WIP to a temporary branch and I can try it
[17:47] <tomwardill> sure, one sec
[17:48] <tomwardill> cjwatson: https://code.launchpad.net/~twom/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+ref/runtime-errors
[17:48] <tomwardill> test is `lp.oci.tests.test_ocirecipe.TestOCIRecipeSet.test_new`
[17:50] <cjwatson> OK, give me a bit to build that
[17:55] <tomwardill> cjwatson: I've got it
[17:55] <cjwatson> Oh?
[17:55] <tomwardill> passing 'owner' to self.exists, rather than 'oci_project'
[17:56] <tomwardill> stupid copy and paste error
[17:56] <tomwardill> (found it by debugging at the point of raise and wondering why it was searching the Person class)
[17:56] <cjwatson> Ah right, wrong caller
[17:56] <cjwatson> Got it
[18:03] <cjwatson> pappacena: Audit trail stuff looks good on dogfood.  The only comment I have is that the colspan="2" thing doesn't look quite right on all queues.  On the Rejected queue the audit trail appears under the file list, which is reasonable enough.  But on the Done queue there's no checkbox column and so it appears under the version instead, which looks odd
[18:03] <cjwatson> pappacena: Example of the latter is https://dogfood.paddev.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=3&queue_text=httmock
[18:04] <cjwatson> pappacena: I think you need something conditional on view/availableActions there (see a bit further up in lib/lp/soyuz/templates/distroseries-queue.pt)
[18:04] <pappacena> uhm... yes, it doesn't look alright this way.
[18:04] <pappacena> Thanks for showing. I will try to reproduce locally and open a MP later today
[18:04] <cjwatson> It's deployable like this, just a little odd-looking
[18:05] <cjwatson> Thanks for this feature, I bet it will make some people very happy
[18:05] <pappacena> I hope so! :-)
[18:05] <pappacena> I'll work on a fix today... let me just finish something I'm in the middle here with the signing service...
[18:15] <cjwatson> Thanks
[18:15] <cjwatson> I've done most of the QA, but I need to wait for my fix-clean-build patch to finish landing so that (qa)staging come back up before I can get any further
[18:16] <cjwatson> So possibly a deployment tomorrow late morning ish, which is always nice for the snap store weekly report
[18:19] <pappacena> Cool! I'll try to have it ready to review by the end of the day today
[19:31] <pappacena> cjwatson: https://code.launchpad.net/~pappacena/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/378679
[19:31] <pappacena> The fix for the extra colspan when there is no action
[20:20] <cjwatson> Thanks, looking
[20:22] <cjwatson> pappacena: one query
[20:22] <cjwatson> (in a comment there)
[20:35] <pappacena> Sure. I will check in a minute
[20:51] <pappacena> Replied there... I needed to double check and test something about your comment.
[21:05] <cjwatson> pappacena: of course you're right - sorry for my confusion.   I got a bit confused too, and had to check to make sure. ;-)
[21:06] <pappacena> I'll top-approve now


[00:25] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: can you give more details on your ec2 setup, costing 1.01 (if I recall)
[00:26] <cyberanger> I'm trying to do the math to see where your usage meets mine
[00:26] <cyberanger> (or more accurately, why my numbers seem to shoot higher than a linode)
[00:31] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: no problem ... i gotta run right now ... but i'll definitely help you out later
[00:52] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: thank you
[03:37] <wrst> cyberanger: you around?
[03:40] <cyberanger> yeah
[03:41] <wrst> cyberanger: this stinking setup the modem gets an ip address, but the router on the wan gets a local ip address needless to say portforwarding is not working any ideas?
[03:43] <wrst> oh it says its a router... goodness
[03:43] <cyberanger> smartmodem setup
[03:43] <cyberanger> yep, the guy reset the modem, for the laptop
[03:43] <wrst> cyberanger: this is how they set them all up i don't know why
[03:43] <wrst> my parents is the same way
[03:43] <cyberanger> and went by their default
[03:44] <wrst> any idea on how to get it to work or is their a way
[03:44] <cyberanger> mine was the same, but I told it to act dumb
[03:44] <cyberanger> what modem?
[03:44] <wrst> ok
[03:44] <wrst> comtrend ct-5072t
[03:45]  * wrst goes to try his old modem brb
[03:49]  * cyberanger regrets being better versed on motorola gear atm
[03:51] <cyberanger> wrst: turn off network bridge mode, still looking over the manual a little further, but that's what's gotta happen in the end
[03:51] <cyberanger> lemme see for more details still though
[03:51] <cyberanger> http://www.sonic.net/support/dsl/cpe/ct_5072t_config.shtml
[03:52] <wrst> well that didn't work
[03:53] <cyberanger> that didn't, the login details with http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[03:54] <cyberanger> and you'll need the username and password used for pppoe (which is different)
[03:57] <cyberanger> and you'll need the username and password used for pppoe (which is different)
[04:02] <wrst> hmm cyberanger am I still here?
[04:04] <Unit193> You are here...
[04:05] <wrst> thanks Unit193 i'm not happy with my new modem, that's more than a modem, that i just want to be a modem!
[04:06] <Unit193> I had to setup one in bridge mode >_>
[04:07] <Unit193> Modems can be a pain... (We just have a dumb cable modem :D )
[04:08] <cyberanger> I've had to tell mine not to be in bridge mode (which is your issue wrst)
[04:11] <wrst> cyberanger: I can do that if I could log in
[04:11] <cyberanger> and you couldn't?
[04:11] <wrst> no
[04:12] <cyberanger> http://<IP_ADDRESS> user root password 12345
[04:12] <wrst> tried it cyberanger they have changed the default IP and the password
[04:13] <chris4585> wrst, I love my current modem, its the only thing I have to use for wireless and a router and a port for a phone
[04:13] <wrst> evidently this is linux based because the ssh port is open also which is mighty stupid to have port 80 and 22 open by default if you ask me
[04:13] <wrst> i'm guessing if i do a reset I can start from scratch but I'm guessing the settings couldn't be to bad to figure out?
[04:23] <cyberanger> wrst: on who's side, your lan or there's
[04:23] <cyberanger> yeah, I'd hold off on reseting for a little while, less it reset to a real blank state
[04:23] <wrst> the modem cyberanger best I can tell I can't port forward until the modem is setup differently
[04:28] <cyberanger> yeah, so you may need to bug customer service about it (perhaps metion needing to port forward for something they'd use, like xbox live)
[04:29] <wrst> yeah I guess I will call them yet again tomorrow
[04:29] <cyberanger> (since they seem to be backing a customer into a corner, might be best to find something commonly port forwarded)
[04:29] <cyberanger> it's gotta be done in that modem
[04:30] <wrst> yeah i bought the modem so I shoudl be give the user name and password
[04:30] <cyberanger> or better yet, tell them you have a linksys wrt54gl router, and you'd like the bridge mode removed
[04:30] <cyberanger> since it interferes with port forwarding
[04:31] <cyberanger> (and perhaps gently press the static ip thing, see if they'd be willing to charge 5 a month or something, I mean, just to feel them out, see why they removed that ability)
[04:31] <wrst> yeah I had a feeling there would be more hurdles with this, I don't understand why anyone would want something set up like this?
[04:32] <cyberanger> AT&T does it, Verizon does it, name a provider and I'd bet they do it
[04:32] <wrst> but why?
[04:32] <cyberanger> simplicty, some now ship it as a full wireless router too
[04:33] <cyberanger> who sets that up, if you or I do not
[04:33] <wrst> doesn't seem simple since its just a modem seems overly complex
[04:33] <cyberanger> I'd put money on geek squad or the ISP
[04:33] <cyberanger> yeah, but why are you in it, and who else would do what your doing?
[04:33] <wrst> well I will sadly call them tomorrow thanks cyberanger i'm heading for bed
[04:34] <wrst> like you said cyberanger xbox
[04:34] <cyberanger> and it's potentally a revenue source
[04:34] <wrst> :)
[04:34] <cyberanger> and linksys router
[04:34] <wrst> talk to you tomorrow thanks again
[04:34] <cyberanger> (since it has no wifi built in, do metion that)
[04:34] <cyberanger> ok, night wrst
[05:16] <cyberanger> http://www.itworld.com/mobile-wireless/171285/parting-linux-and-mono
[05:16] <cyberanger> interesting
[05:33] <Unit193> Another reason to stick with linux as I don't like webapps
[13:15] <wrst_work> mr. twayneprice could you give me some wisdom from your great brain please? :)
[13:17] <twayneprice> I'm trying out irccloud.com as a replacement to quassel.  I really like the idea of it being web based.
[13:18] <wrst_work> that's interesting twayneprice I may need to give that a try
[13:18] <wrst_work> especially with my recent internet troubles
[13:19] <twayneprice> Yea, that is what was prompting me to look into it.
[13:20] <wrst_work> that looks pretty cool twayneprice
[13:20] <twayneprice> I've want to see if it monitors the network while I'm not logged in, though.
[13:20] <pricew> This is a test.
[13:21] <wrst_work> looks like it does :)
[13:21] <twayneprice> Cool.  It did.
[13:21] <wrst_work> that is nice
[13:21] <wrst_work> seems like the whole world of everythign is eventually going to run in a browser anyway
[13:21] <twayneprice> It looks like it will eventually be a paid subscription, thought.
[13:22] <twayneprice> Yup.
[13:22] <wrst_work> I was noticing that also
[13:22] <wrst_work> but still is a cool looking deal
[13:22] <twayneprice> I like everything running in a browser.
[13:22] <wrst_work> but would appear most people using irc are going to be peolpe wanting everything for free :)
[13:24] <twayneprice> Yea, I'm not really sure that could charge for it.  They should just throw a google ad up on the right side of the page.
[13:24] <wrst_work> yeah that doesn't bother me at all :)
[13:26] <twayneprice> wrst_work: tab auto complete even works.
[13:26] <wrst_work> twayneprice: quick twin lakes question for you, the modem they set up is a little more than a modem evidently it assigns a local IP address to my router, instead of the external IP address, and port forwarding of course doesn't work, you have any ideas or do I need to call them *again* ? :)
[13:27] <wrst_work> twayneprice: it looks a lot like the java freenode webclient that is out there on steroids
[13:28] <twayneprice> ugh!  Do they use ppoe?
[13:28] <wrst_work> twayneprice: I don't know what they use as they have the routers default password changed
[13:29] <twayneprice> Hmmm.  Do they allow you to use your own modem?
[13:29] <wrst_work> yes they do, and actually I'm supposed to own that modem or atleast I bought it but they have everything locked down
[13:29] <wrst_work> I thought about just doing a reset on it, but I have no clue on the setup
[13:30] <twayneprice> Ah.  I would try to call them and get the login info.  Not just for the modem but the ppoe.
[13:30] <wrst_work> I just fear that may be a difficulty again, nothign seems easy with those guys
[13:31] <twayneprice> You are probably right.
[13:31] <wrst_work> but I mean if people use xbox live they need port forwarding
[13:32] <twayneprice> yup.
[13:33]  * wrst_work prepares for another day on the line with twin lakes telephone :\
[13:35] <wrst_work> twayneprice: do all dsl providers use pppoe?
[13:36] <twayneprice> I think that is how most of them do.  That allows you to just add your own equipment without calling them.  With the cable modems, I have to call them and give them the mac address of any new modem I buy.
[13:37] <wrst_work> ok i suspect they will do it some how different :)
[13:38] <twayneprice> It could be worse.  You could have the modem mounted at the top of the pole, Green Acres style.  :)
[13:38] <wrst_work> I guess so
[13:38] <wrst_work> they will be getting their daily 8 AM call from me
[13:38] <twayneprice> http://www.maggiore.net/greenacres/images/e102.jpg
[13:42] <wrst_work> twayneprice: that's about how I have felt this week :)
[13:44] <vychune> o/
[13:44] <wrst_work> hello vychune
[13:44] <vychune> how you doing
[13:45] <wrst_work> good vychune how are you?
[13:45] <vychune> good
[13:45] <vychune> need a job
[13:45] <wrst_work> ohh, what do you do vychune?
[13:46] <vychune> not much im only 19
[13:46] <wrst_work> you are in memphis?
[13:46] <wrst_work> surely there's stuff to do there, but with the way things are...
[13:46] <vychune> yeah
[13:49] <vychune> what do you do
[13:50] <wrst_work> vychune: more or less an accountant work for a small company so get to lots of stuff
[13:51] <wrst_work> which I like my day doesn't get too boring that way :)
[13:51] <vychune> cool
[14:00] <wrst_work> twayneprice: wish me luck! or better yet may really need prayer on this one...   Sometimes that help.  :)
[14:11] <wrst_work> ha ha well I didn't mean to twayneprice, but I may have just as a reflex action :)
[14:12] <wrst_work> I've had to really monitor my attitude this week its been a good test, they seem to try they can't help it that they don't know what is going on
[14:13] <twayneprice> You didn't recently pray for more patience, did you?  :)
[14:13] <wrst_work> NO twayneprice certainly not!
[14:14] <twayneprice> Hmmm.  Must be Satan then.  :)
[14:15] <wrst_work> yes
[14:21] <wrst_work> twayneprice: you might be interested in this: http://www.proclaimonline.com/
[14:27] <twayneprice> That does look interesting.
[14:31] <wrst_work> I thought you might like that
[14:31] <twayneprice> There are certainly a  lot of options in that area.
[14:32] <wrst_work> yes I like the cloud aspect and don't like the cloud aspect of that
[14:36] <twayneprice> I dont have net access at church.  I really wouldn't want to depend on the net for service anyway.  They probably download the set to a local pc.
[14:36] <wrst_work> I would guess so, yeah I'm not too keen on total dependence on the net access
[14:36] <wrst_work> netritious: good morning, and you need to renew your loco membership ;)
[14:37] <netritious> wrst: good morning, yes was here to ask about it lol
[14:37] <wrst_work> netritious: I think I can take care of that for you
[14:37] <netritious> do I just click join again or can you un-expire me wrst
[14:37] <netritious> ah cool...that would be awesome
[14:38] <wrst_work> I don't know netritious going to check and see
[14:39] <wrst_work> netritious: you should now be back at ait
[14:39] <wrst_work> *it
[14:40] <netritious> awesome ty wrst
[14:40] <netritious> how's everyone?
[14:40] <wrst_work> no problem I was afraid you had forasaken us ;)
[14:41] <wrst_work> I'm good netritious everything still busy out west?
[14:41] <netritious> yes too busy, but busy is good
[14:41] <netritious> softball season is over :-/
[14:42] <wrst_work> is that good or bad?
[14:42] <netritious> sad to see it go every year since it's like the only time I ever go outside lol
[14:42] <netritious> minus mowing the yard
[14:43] <wrst_work> ha ha maybe a fall league is in order? :)
[14:44] <netritious> heh nah is for my daughter..think she is done when the season is over lol
[14:44]  * cyberanger invites netritious to the ocoee river for some rafting, to the cumberland platu for some rock climbing, or to the nearest ice rink for ice hockey (not sure what that last one has to do with outside, but sounds fun to me)
[14:45]  * netritious accepts all invites which allow me to sit on my arse lol
[14:45] <wrst_work> netritious: or just play more music the music you play gives you a work out
[14:46] <netritious> man you aren't kidding...sore form last night
[14:46] <netritious> *from
[14:47] <wrst_work> ha ha
[14:47] <netritious> and even though I haven't been hanging out here still doing stuff with ubuntu
[14:47] <netritious> I also stalk the IRC logs from time to time to get the jist of what I miss
[14:48] <wrst_work> netritious: well just good to know you still stalk us :\
[14:48] <netritious> hehe
[14:49] <wrst_work> netritious: you still dabbling with ubuntu server?
[14:49] <netritious> right now working on using ubuntu as a router and VM host...little soho deal for demos
[14:50] <netritious> also (FINALLY) worked out netboot and automated installs from my local ubuntu repo
[14:50] <netritious> so yeah wrst_work, still working with ubuntu server...LTS anyway
[14:50] <netritious> hardy and lucid
[14:51] <netritious> let's just say netbooting has changed my life
[14:52] <wrst_work> yes I wouldn't think working with non-lts on a server that matters really would make sense
[14:52] <wrst_work> the netbooting sounds cool maybe you can teach us all sometime ;)
[14:53] <netritious> true, but I've met a few people that use ubuntu server and just upgrade every version np...I haven't been as lucky with upgrades
[14:53] <netritious> it's VERY easy
[14:53] <netritious> sudo apt-get install dnsmasq
[14:53] <netritious> has everything you need
[14:54] <netritious> dhcp server, dns forwarder, and tftp server
[14:54] <netritious> tons of info on google, but the comments in the conf file is best
[14:55] <netritious> sudo apt-get install apache2 (you don't need a lamp stack for netbooting)
[14:55] <netritious> or lighthttpd
[14:56] <cyberanger> netritious: netbooting from your repo, it was the udeb files that tripped it, wasn't it
[14:56] <netritious> grab a netboot.tar.gz file from ubuntu's repos..getting link
[14:57] <netritious> that was part of it cyberanger but really I just had to append the debian-installer dir in the official repos to make it work
[14:57] <netritious> give me a quick sec to boot "ole-faithful" over here
[14:57] <cyberanger> I prefer the full dhcp server (isc-dhcp aka dhcp3-server) and bind9 personally, didn't know dnsmasq was also a tftp server though, cool)
[14:58] <wrst_work> cool netritious
[14:58] <netritious> you can use that too, but it is much more complicated that dnsmasq
[14:58] <netritious> *than
[14:58] <netritious> just saying for local netboot installs dnsmasq is handy
[14:58] <wrst_work> and netritious I accidently updated to 11.04 server, i try to keep one release behind but when I updated to 10.10, i upadted my system the next day and didn't pay any attention and boom i had 11.04 but its working well but I don't do anything complicated either
[14:59] <cyberanger> I've setup both (aside from tftp) and it seems to be the same, but dnsmasq has it's perks, no doubt
[14:59] <netritious> nice wrst
[14:59] <wrst_work> well netritious not nice, but nice that it worked :D
[14:59] <cyberanger> and bind9 is easier to setup slaves, lan zones
[14:59] <netritious> haha true
[14:59] <netritious> ^wrst
[15:00] <cyberanger> which is why I did that (slave opennic zones, build my zone)
[15:00] <netritious> cyberanger: oh certainly, but if you have a dedicated machine or a dedicated VM then dnsmasq is light...
[15:00] <cyberanger> oh, and wrst_work you've setup dnsmasq wether you know it or not, via dd-wrt
[15:01] <netritious> for a full blown DC I would use dhcp3-server and bind9
[15:01] <netritious> yep ... any linux/unix based router distro uses dnsmasq
[15:02] <cyberanger> yeah, lighter for sure (idk by how much, since I cannot recall dnsmasq doing more than forwarding, well, it has simplistic config, but idk if one could build a zone with it as simplisticly, or for that matter, slave one)
[15:02] <cyberanger> and with lighthttpd, perfect size
[15:02] <cyberanger> vs apache
[15:02] <netritious> you can't...it's more like a lightweight workgroup enabler
[15:03] <netritious> rather,,,
[15:03] <wrst_work> cyberanger: yep
[15:03] <wrst_work> i've seen that :)
[15:03] <netritious> dnsmasq can't do slave zones
[15:03] <netritious> at least, it's just meant to be forwarding
[15:03] <netritious> but has built in tftp and dhcp too
[15:05] <netritious> hi ubuntulol_
[15:05] <cyberanger> yeah, which isn't quite my style, but it's still a cache, so it does work, dhcp is there too, one config (however in some ways, that's also a curse, when I've plugged mine in temporally to subsutite a router outage, I can take a config file and just write it)
[15:05] <cyberanger> ubuntulo1_ is a mute, it sees and logs, but apprecates the hello
[15:06] <netritious> heh
[15:06] <cyberanger> I'm still suprised about the tftp server (I was so sure that was a seperate daemon when I messed with dd-wrt)
[15:07] <cyberanger> netritious: got the kernel set to route traffic, and the IP Masquerading setup?
[15:07] <netritious> yep
[15:07] <netritious> it's ugly and I don't like it though
[15:08] <cyberanger> (the worst thing I ran into was ppp setup, which you don't need, and I rarely use)
[15:08] <netritious> and I need a special config for what I'm trying to do and hitting a few road bumps, but I'll figure it out...i almost always do
[15:08] <cyberanger> ugly how?
[15:08] <netritious> eh just the instructions I followed they do work
[15:08] <cyberanger> ubuntu's been my router for a year now (maybe more come to think of it)
[15:09] <cyberanger> did they tell you to echo 1 > /proc/something_slipping_my_mind_atm
[15:09] <netritious> but I don't like how some of the procedures are implemented
[15:09] <cyberanger> or edit a config for every boot
[15:09] <netritious> nah...let me get the link
[15:09] <netritious> it's at help.ubuntu.com
[15:10] <cyberanger> (reason I ask is there seems to be 100 different ways people have done it)
[15:10] <netritious> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Router
[15:10] <netritious> yes, I noticed that cyberanger...why I used the ubuntu help lol
[15:11] <netritious> I always try to see if thee is a doc at ubuntu *somewhere* before asking google
[15:11] <cyberanger> oh, yeah, that likely makes it a bad one (I didn't like how ubuntu's docs were stale on the matter, tried it and some wordpress and blogger methods, really liked one in perticular)
[15:12] <cyberanger> I do both, I've noticed for enough things, esp. things that are niche to most of the community, still worth looking
[15:12] <netritious> well I am all ears, unfortuantely have my daughter here today just back last night from week long vacation with grandma and grandpa, so will be in and out....she is on her computer atm though lol
[15:12] <cyberanger> sorta fact check each against the other
[15:12] <cyberanger> http://blogger.ziesemer.com/2008/10/ubuntu-linux-router-upgrade-project.html
[15:12] <netritious> *unfortunate that I can't spend more time hanging out
[15:13] <netritious> not unfortunate my daughter is here:D
[15:13] <cyberanger> 9/10ths of that isn't what your doing, but 1/10th maybe what you need
[15:13] <netritious> cool
[15:14] <cyberanger> and I cannot recall how he did the iptables bit, I'd edit /etc/network/interfaces and add a line to lo
[15:14] <netritious> ty cyberanger
[15:14] <cyberanger> ifpreup iptables-restore > /etc/iptables.rules
[15:14] <cyberanger> and use iptables-save > /etc/iptables.rules to generate
[15:15] <cyberanger> netritious: no problem, his method was extremely close to what I started with (haven't deviated too much from it that I'm aware of)
[15:15] <cyberanger> closest to what I needed (not alltel but virgin mobile and t-mobile dual setup)
[15:16] <cyberanger> and cleanest at that time, used on lucid and natty fine (think he used hardy, which you also have)
[15:16] <wrst_work> oh cyberanger i talked with you a little bit about my modem... I have yet another call in...
[15:17] <cyberanger> maybe it helps netritious, if it doesn't lemme know another time in better detail, maybe I've come across it
[15:18] <cyberanger> (I fetched all the udebs, did seem to fix things on a netinst, but still felt like there was an easier way, thank you for finding it)
[15:18] <cyberanger> wrst_work: how'd that go?
[15:19] <wrst_work> cyberanger: TBD waiting on a call
[15:19] <cyberanger> oh, them to call you?
[15:19] <wrst_work> cyberanger: TBD waiting on a call
[15:19] <wrst_work> yes I called them and the guy I talked with well didn't know much so hopefully will get it fixed today
[15:20] <cyberanger> um, reading that, sounds like google + nod, ok, we'll see what we can do *jots some notes*
[15:21] <wrst_work> cyberanger: only problem if they use pppoe i don't know the user name and password and the guy on the phone really didn't seem to know so I will wait and see :)
[15:21] <wrst_work> but atleast I can see that I'm online at home, hello wrst!
[15:22] <netritious> cyberanger: are you using debmirror?
[15:22] <cyberanger> I'm hoping for you, but it really feels like poor practice to me, not following what seems to be standard for any other company
[15:22] <netritious> to create and maintain your mirror?
[15:22] <cyberanger> netritious: yes, still am (tweaked version of your script)
[15:23] <netritious> in your section= ....
[15:23] <wrst_work> cyberanger: these are good guys there, but yeah... not exactly at the top of the tech world but the 10/1 speed is pretty nice downloaded a 565MB file in about 8 minutes
[15:24] <netritious> for each section add <section>/debian-installer,
[15:25]  * cyberanger does this now, waits to enable it for when I'm clocked out
[15:26] <netritious> cyberanger: so if you have section=main,restricted you would change to section=main,main/debian-installer,restricted,restricted/debian-installer
[15:26] <cyberanger> netritious: thanks a bunch, much simplier than debmirror & rsync udebs only, merge (I did notice most if not all were in a subsection like that, just didn't see that answer from that I guess, glad you did)
[15:27] <cyberanger> does that work on the anl mirror too
[15:28] <cyberanger> I bet it does, the way their syncing
[15:31] <cyberanger> wrst_work: I still dunno why they didn't leave your settings alone
[15:31] <wrst_work> cyberanger: I'm beyond that :)
[15:31] <wrst_work> I don't know why they do lots of things :D
[15:32] <cyberanger> sure they had to tweak some, but come on, they set you back to new customer
[15:32] <wrst_work> cyberanger: I'm pretty sure they are trying to get everyone to dhcp for the simplicity in the setup
[15:32] <wrst_work> I tried to and was willing to pay for the static IP out of convenience but they could never get it set up
[15:34] <cyberanger> not sure what that simplifies (except the how-to scripts they maybe reading from, or at least something like that)
[15:35] <cyberanger> enough of my setup needs a static setup, why I grabbed a vps (and will be again this month)
[15:35] <cyberanger> bbiab
[16:23] <wrst_work> twayneprice: they were about to send someone out on my issue with the modem, I don't think the guy understood but is going to have the dsl department contact me
[16:23] <twayneprice> wrst_work: fun, fun, fun
[16:23] <wrst_work> ha ha yes twayneprice lots of it now they want to set me up a static IP!
[16:25] <twayneprice> wrst_work: I bet their static IP accounts get the router that passes the public through and their dynamic IP accounts use the router that does nat.
[16:26] <wrst_work> I'm guessing you are right twayneprice, I'm still a little bumfuzzled by the whole deal I don't think I'm asking fo anything too far out there I was just gonig to use dyndns that you suggested yesterday and live happily ever after :)
[16:28] <twayneprice> no, like you said, anyone with a xbox will have the same problem.
[16:30] <wrst_work> but they will likely sell them one of their modem/wireless router combo deals
[16:30] <wrst_work> I sorta know what they are up to and I like tinkering with my router :)
[16:33] <twayneprice> yup
[16:36] <wrst> woot
[16:36] <wrst> twayneprice: they got it fixed somehow :)
[16:36] <wrst> may my power never ever go off :)
[16:37] <twayneprice> wrst: Cool!!  Static IP or passing a dynamic through?
[16:37] <wrst> passing the dynamic through, now to get everything else set up, at least I have learned something twayneprice :)
[16:38] <twayneprice> That'll work. Now you just have to set up the dyndns.
[16:38] <wrst> yes I may have to bask in this glory for a moment first :D
[16:39] <twayneprice> Is that angels singing that I hear?   :)
[16:39] <wrst> ha ha
[16:39] <wrst> I see the light
[16:40] <twayneprice> The rapture will probably happen any moment now and you won't get to use it.  :)
[16:44] <twayneprice> wrst: ????  No reply?   Aw crap, I missed it.  :)
[16:55] <wrst> ha ha twayneprice
[16:55] <wrst> its on october 21 I've got a few months twayneprice :P
[16:57] <twayneprice> I guess, since we missed the one back in May. :)
[17:04] <wrst> twayneprice: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1333920945.png
[17:04] <wrst> I was really wanting him to say december 2012 at least he would have had company
[17:04] <twayneprice> Smokin!!
[17:19] <cyberanger> I'm guessing they're clueless, but that fixes your issues
[17:19] <cyberanger> (sounds like they're giving you a dhcp ip, and that static, unnecessary)
[17:20] <wrst> yeah I'm still dhcp cyberanger but I can access things now
[17:20] <cyberanger> sorry, late send
[17:20] <wrst> twayneprice: its nice to be in the 21st century now
[17:20] <wrst> cyberanger: that's ok we expect :P
[17:21] <cyberanger> yes, the 21st centery, where irc is (still) cool ;-)
[17:28] <electricus> google homepage is cool today.. you can play the guitar!
[17:29] <electricus> and you can record your own song :-)
[18:04] <wrst> Les Paul would have been 96 today
[21:20] <twayneprice> Interesting.  I just watched this a couple of months ago:  http://www.hulu.com/watch/91100/les-paul---chasing-sound
[21:37] <wrst> twayneprice: i'm giving that a little watch as I have time cool stuff
[22:52] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: you around?
[23:27] <wrst> cyberanger: got all my issues fixed don't know if i told you or not
[23:28] <cyberanger> wrst: that's great, wish I did
[23:51] <wrst> what's wrong cyberanger?
[23:51] <cyberanger> wrst: you know me, always a project being worked out
[23:52] <wrst> ahh well likely problems of your own doing? :)
[23:52] <cyberanger> no, well, unlikely
[23:58] <wrst> oh ok those aren't fun


[05:32] <Kilos> morning all
[06:32] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:38] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[07:34] <thatgraemeguy> oh hai
[08:41] <superfly> ohi
[09:19] <pieter2627> morning all
[13:24] <inetpro> .
[13:50] <superfly> ..
[14:05] <pieter2627> ....
[14:26] <GnikLlort> .....
[14:31] <magespawn> good afternoon
[14:33] <magespawn> brb home time
[14:36] <pieter2627> powers of 2 is broken :D
[14:36] <pieter2627> good day all
[15:34] <linda> Hi kl
[15:34] <linda> Kilos,
[15:37] <Kilos> hi linda
[15:37] <Kilos> sorry i was asleep
[15:38] <linda> are hyou well?
[15:38] <Kilos> what broke hehe
[15:38] <linda> n prob, its me, Jan
[15:38] <Kilos> im ok ty yes
[15:38] <linda> hehe
[15:38] <linda> good whens the op?
[15:38] <Kilos> i know its you haha
[15:38] <linda> you spy
[15:39] <linda> sleuth, super sleuth
[15:39] <Kilos> i go in on the 13th and op is on the 15th hopefully
[15:39] <linda> Hope all goes well
[15:39] <Kilos> all will ty
[15:39] <Kilos> what prob you got linda
[15:40] <linda> Stil battlking with Linda;'s games, I want to set her Suduko as startup app, where do I find the commands for starup?
[15:40] <linda> startup apps?
[15:40] <Kilos> oh my
[15:40] <Kilos> lets see
[15:41] <linda> sorry,we had this one before but I cannt remember if we tried the startup apps route
[15:41] <Kilos> http://www.howtogeek.com/189995/how-to-manage-startup-applications-in-ubuntu-14.04/
[15:42] <linda> I was threre just now but the specific command for this app eluded me
[15:43] <Kilos> can you remember if it was something you just had to tick?
[15:43] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/452661/where-is-start-up-applications-in-14-04-unity
[15:45] <linda> Its an app in the system but it does not lock to launchger
[15:45] <Kilos> cant you drag it to the launcher
[15:46] <linda> no
[15:46] <Kilos> type in games in dash then drag what you want to launcher
[15:46] <Kilos> oh my
[15:49] <Kilos> i cant even remember where i looked at unity
[15:49] <linda> ok I will need to teach her how to use the search facility
[15:49] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/490544/how-can-i-either-lock-items-in-the-launcher-or-restore-a-set-of-items-in-the-lau
[15:49] <Kilos> it will be somewhere
[15:50] <Kilos> you say you did it before
[15:50] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:50] <Kilos> how did you do it
[15:50] <Kilos> hehe
[15:51] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:51] <linda> no I did not do it before, same prob still persists but if she learns to search she will find many things that she loses
[15:52] <Kilos> i think somewhere in settings you can tell the dash thing not to remember all your last used apps
[15:52] <Kilos> i think what i did there was
[15:53] <Kilos> open the things you use most and then disable the remember thing and it only remembers that last 4
[15:54] <linda> OK will have a go, gotta go now, strongs with the op if I dont chat with you before
[15:54] <Kilos> ty jan you keep well that side
[15:54] <linda> thks Kilos
[15:54] <linda>  you also
[15:54] <Kilos> ty
[18:06] <thatgraemeguy> hi Kilos
[18:46] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy
[18:47] <thatgraemeguy> what's this about an op?
[18:48] <Kilos> oh just a hernia that needs some sewing up
[18:48] <Kilos> nothing serious
[19:09] <thatgraemeguy> ah ok
[19:09] <thatgraemeguy> I have one that needs patching but meh :-/
[19:13] <thatgraemeguy> night night
[20:02] <Kilos> ai