[01:31] <concept10> LjL, what you do that for?
[01:31] <LjL> concept10: i was ready
[01:31] <concept10> LjL, heh
[01:32] <PriceChild> Yeah... I noticed that first and am confused... /me reads even further back
[01:32] <concept10> LjL, i wasnt about to launch an attack or something.. I meant are you ready for the question of the day
[01:33] <LjL> concept10: well, i thought you meant ready to kick you, it's not like you specified
[01:33] <concept10> heh
[01:33] <LjL> PriceChild: there's nothing to read, it was just the random -offtopic kick of the day.
[01:33] <PriceChild> ah ok
[01:35] <umulia> Im here because of the topic on #Ubuntu : Please follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit to fix it, and then join #ubuntu-ops and ask to be tested
[01:36] <LjL> umulia: join ##ljl please
[01:37] <LjL> umulia: you can join, thank you
[01:37] <umulia> thank you :)
[02:04] <gnomefreak> anyone have a clue what a snafus is?
[02:04] <mc44> situation normal: all f*d up
[02:04] <gnomefreak> yeah it finally opened
[02:05] <gnomefreak> the dictionary applet wasnt opening
[02:05] <gnomefreak> ty
[02:12] <Jordan_U> Looks like ubotu is down
[02:12] <Hobbsee> !bot
[02:15] <gnomefreak> yep hes dead in pm too
[02:26] <PriceChild> woo ubotwo's working then :)
[02:27] <LjL> err... kind of
[02:27] <PriceChild> just replied in #ubuntu
[02:27] <LjL> yeah, i saw
[02:27] <LjL> it's laggy as hell for some reason however
[02:27] <PriceChild> still syncing?
[02:27] <LjL> no, i don't think it's that
[02:27] <LjL> the disconnects shouldn't have happened either
[02:27] <LjL> i think it's metabot that's loading the server too much - i've killed it now
[02:28] <LjL> supybot is for some reason very sensitive to cpu load...
[02:29] <gnomefreak> bblame pythonn for that :)
[02:29] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:29] <gnomefreak> damn talk about lag
[02:29] <PriceChild> haha
[02:30] <Jordan_U> It's back :)
[02:30] <Jordan_U> I just got my PM from 5 minutes ago :)
[02:30] <gnomefreak> me too
[02:30] <gnomefreak> but im lagging really bad too
[02:30] <gnomefreak> and thats not pythons fault its OO.o's fault
[02:32] <PriceChild> he seems to be pretty fine now...?
[02:32] <LjL> @lart PriceChild
[02:32] <LjL> yes, he is
[02:33] <PriceChild> hey i was writing that as you unbanned him
[02:33] <LjL> @pity PriceChild
[02:33] <LjL> it's responsive, and doesn't backfire. fine really
[02:34] <LjL> @shakespeare
[02:34] <ubotu> Thou mewling doghearted whey-face!
[02:36] <Hobbsee> oookay..
[05:39] <ubotu> In ubotu, pike_ said: scanners is Scanners are people with telepathic and telekinetic abilities, with a total of 236 of them documented by ConSec, a corporation specialising in weaponry and security systems.
[05:41] <ubotu> In ubotu, pike_ said: scanner is a person with telepathic and telekinetic abilities, with a total of 236 of them documented by ConSec, a corporation specialising in weaponry and security systems.
[05:58] <Hobbsee> oh no, it's Amaranth
[05:58] <Hobbsee> !
[05:58] <Amaranth> leaving :P
[06:49] <tonyyarusso> apokryphos: ping - know much about supybot and rss feeds?
[06:52] <tonyyarusso> apokryphos: specifically, tonyybot in ##tonyyarusso is "Unable to download feed" for blogs on LiveJournal or Blogger, but works for Wordpress, Xanga, MySpace, and a few others.  Feel free to poke around with it - I'm baffled.  (The control character is ~ )
[07:07] <Hobbsee> hi weaselboy
[07:08] <Burgundavia> hey Hobbsee
[07:08] <Burgundavia> hmm, gutsy is boring
[07:08] <Burgundavia> is there a new kernel yet?
[07:08] <Hobbsee> that's the purely evil sexy psycopathic bitch from au, to you, thankyou!
[07:08] <Hobbsee> define borking
[07:08] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:08] <Burgundavia> no, boring
[07:08] <Hobbsee> whcih bit in particular is borking
[07:08] <tonyyarusso> ....
[07:08] <Hobbsee> aww
[07:08] <Hobbsee> drat
[07:08] <Hobbsee> sorry
[07:08] <Burgundavia> the only thing that happened my fonts broke
[07:08] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: since when are you referred to as that?
[07:09] <Burgundavia> due to hinting not working correctly
[07:09] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: i got hte two first ones today
[07:09] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: Burgundavia decided i was pure evil, earlier
[07:09] <tonyyarusso> ah
[07:10] <Burgundavia> seriously, is there a 21 or 22 kernel built yet?
[07:10] <Burgundavia> I am too lazy to check the build logs
[07:10] <nalioth> Burgundavia: you just now got to that conclusion?
[07:10] <nalioth> it is mathematically proven that women are evil
[07:10] <Hobbsee> it's either 21 or 22.  i think it migth be 22 now
[07:11] <Hobbsee> nalioth: and that we dont want them in open source?
[07:12] <tonyyarusso> Wouldn't want them turning OSS evil.  Keep 'em in Microsoft, I say!  :P
[07:13] <nalioth> no, evil women are fun
[07:14] <Jordan_U> tonyyarusso, You mean like Novelle?
[07:14] <tonyyarusso> Jordan_U: heh
[07:15] <Burgundavia> right, there has been no linux-meta built yet
[07:16] <Hobbsee> nalioth: i havent seen that?
[07:16] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: correct
[07:17] <Burgundavia> is it only the image and -r-m I need?
[07:17] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: http://maxwell.ucsc.edu/~stephanie/girls%20are%20root%20of%20evil.jpg
[07:18] <Hobbsee> hahahahaha nice
[07:28] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: your brother wants the boot in -motu
[07:28] <Madpilot> I don't have ops there, far as I konw
[07:28] <Madpilot> know, even
[07:29] <Madpilot> and do you mean 'he needs removing from -motu' or 'he wants to get ops in -motu'? Two quite different things
[07:29] <Madpilot> ;)
[07:30] <Burgundavia> hmm?
[07:30] <Burgundavia> and Hobbsee, you were thinking before I stepped out?
[07:30] <Seveas> c'est un weaslboy!
[07:31] <Hobbsee> Seveas!
[07:31] <Seveas> where?
[07:32] <Madpilot> Apparently some nicknames do stick. Imagine that.
[07:33] <Hobbsee> poor Burgundavia...
[07:34] <Burgundavia> pretty much
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> The nick is available, FYI
[07:35] <Madpilot> Hobbsee, s/not/now, I think you meant
[07:35] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:42] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, he said a number of times the other week "I should never have installed Ubuntu on his computer"
[07:45] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:45] <Hobbsee> poor Burgundavia....
[07:45] <Hobbsee> we should all go back to picking on the mad dutchman
[07:45] <elkbuntu> but that's been done to death!
[07:46] <Hobbsee> i'm sure there are new ways to pick on him
[07:55] <Burgundavia> is there a reason that powernowd is not run by default?
[10:26] <Jucato> heh ubotu's having quite a day :)
[11:12] <ubotu> h4wk0 called the ops in #ubuntu
[11:13] <Madpilot> just a bit of lag there, ubotu
[11:13] <Jucato> he's been lagging all day...
[01:27] <Seeker`> would it be possible to have !logs changed for #ubuntu-uk?
[01:28] <Seeker`> to point to http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org
[01:43] <mooky> has pricechild been in today ?
[01:43] <mooky> oops
[01:43] <Seeker`> I haven't seen him
[01:44] <ikonia_> logged in with someone elses account
[01:46] <ompaul> ikonia, :)
[01:47] <ikonia_> hello
[01:47] <ikonia_> you called
[01:47] <ompaul> na just saying hi
[01:47] <ikonia_> ahh, hello ompaul
[01:47] <ikonia_> hope all is well
[01:48] <ompaul> getting therte
[01:48] <ompaul> there
[01:48] <ikonia_> good good
[01:48] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, Nom- said: ubotu: fakeraid is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto
[01:48] <ikonia_> ughh irssis is very alien
[01:50] <ikonia_> irssi even
[02:37] <Seeker`> is anyone here able to change the bot responses?
[02:39] <ikonia_> a few people can
[02:39] <ikonia_> what response is bad?
[02:39] <Seeker`> the repsonse to !logs in #ubuntu-uk
[02:39] <Seeker`> it should be http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org
[02:40] <Hobbsee> !logs
[02:40] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[02:40] <Hobbsee> !logs-#ubuntu-uk is <reply> Channel logs can be found at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/
[02:40] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[02:41] <Hobbsee> there you go :)
[02:41] <Seeker`> thanks :D
[08:29] <karan> hey, y am i redirected to #ubuntu-read-topic
[08:29] <karan> i am unable to join #ubuntu
[08:30] <karan> some help plz
[08:31] <Seveas> did you rad the topic in #ubuntu-read-topic?
[08:31] <nalioth> karan: join ##nalioth please
[08:31] <SportChick> Seveas: heh, I was about to ask that :)
[08:31] <Seveas> SportChick, :)
[08:31] <karan> SEveas:i have changed the port
[08:32] <Seveas> karan, excellent :)
[08:32] <Seveas> then join ##nalioth for a test
[08:32] <karan> okie
[08:33] <SportChick> Seveas: got a sec? :)
[08:33] <karan> i am the only user there :(
[08:33] <SportChick> karan: did you join #nalioth or ##nalioth?
[08:33] <nalioth> SportChick: ##nalioth
[08:33] <Seveas> SportChick, sure
[08:33] <karan> ##nalioth
[08:33] <SportChick> k :)
[08:34] <karan> Seveas:wats next?
[08:34] <nalioth> karan: you need to type /j ##nalioth <enter>
[08:34] <Seveas> karan, if nalioth tested you, he'll unban you
[08:36] <karan> sorry i made a typo error :)
[08:36] <karan> nalioth,u can check now
[08:37] <nalioth> karan: you can join #ubuntu now, thanks for you patience
[08:37] <karan> nalioth:wat its all about?
[08:38] <karan> do u really find a bug?
[08:38] <nalioth> karan: no bugs on you  :)
[08:39] <karan> may i know the reason ,why i am banned?
[08:40] <nalioth> karan: you apparently were vulnerable
[08:40] <karan> wat do you meant ;)
[10:27] <ubotu> DuckFart_ called the ops in #ubuntu
[10:29] <ompaul> duckfart is not in #ubuntu anymore
[10:29] <ompaul> mneptok, go back to sleep :)
[10:29] <mneptok> ompaul: yes, dear.
[10:32] <PriceChild> What's going on? :)
[10:32] <Daviey> PriceChild, few things - http://www.bbc.co.uk/whatson/
[10:32] <PriceChild> @lart Daviey
[10:34] <Daviey> ompaul, /dev/urandom
[10:34] <DuckFart> i believe i've been unfairly kicked from the #ubuntu room
[10:34] <Seveas> no, you abused the !ops command -- that always gets you banned
[10:35] <DuckFart> i simply asked for help be because my nick was locked out from me and I didn't know the command to release it. does that deserve being banned from a room?
[10:35] <DuckFart> you could have simply refused
[10:36] <Seveas> the !ops command is not for help. It's for emergencies
[10:36] <DuckFart> or offered the correct command so i could help myself
[10:38] <DuckFart> Seveas: i'm not getting an answer here
[10:39] <Seveas> indeed
[10:39] <Seveas> this channel is not for support
[10:39] <Seveas> and I explained why you were bannd
[10:39] <DuckFart> i understand your explanation, but i don't understand your intolerance.
[10:40] <LjL> i wonder how you could know about the existence of an !ops command without knowing when it must [not]  be used
[10:40] <DuckFart> i guessed
[10:40] <Seveas> ha-ha
[10:40] <Seveas> credibility--
[10:41] <DuckFart> i was originally expecting a reply from a bot, not from an actual op
[10:41] <DuckFart> that's what the "!" was for
[10:41] <LjL> ...
[10:41] <mneptok> DuckFart: so now you know. case closed.
[10:42] <DuckFart> mneptok: thank you.
[10:42] <Daviey> I think what DuckFart wants to know - how long will the ban last?
[10:42] <Seveas> Daviey, there are no set times for that
[10:43] <mneptok> DuckFart: my pleasure
[10:43] <DuckFart> the length of the ban doesn't concern me. i not happy with the fact that i've been banned because i asked for help the *wrong way*
[10:43] <LjL> i wonder why the other 1000 people in #ubuntu, most of who, obviously, are there to get help, don't come up with typing !ops to get their help
[10:44] <mneptok> DuckFart: i'm not happy that i don't have a pony. life is like that. when i get upset about it, i usually try to stop thinking about ponies.
[10:44] <DuckFart> considering i've only been on irc a few times, feel free to expect a few errors on my part
[10:45] <DuckFart> LjL: if ops aren't there to deal with problems, then what are they there for?
[10:45] <DuckFart> i had a problem, i asked ops for help.
[10:45] <mneptok> DuckFart: your first mistake is thinking Ubuntu ops can do anything about Freenode issues
[10:45] <nalioth> freenode issues?
[10:45] <LjL> DuckFart: you've got it totally wrong. totally.
[10:45] <mneptok> nalioth: nick ghosting
[10:46] <LjL> nalioth: no issues, he just wanted his nick back
[10:46] <DuckFart> LjL; then educatation is good, banning isn't
[10:46] <nalioth> ah
[10:46] <ompaul> DuckFart, it is not an issue for education in #ubuntu however
[10:46] <LjL> DuckFart, well, if i were a new user on irc (or on anything), i would *not* try typing random commands
[10:46] <DuckFart> nalioth. for some reasion, i got disconnected, but my nick was still active, i couldn't sign in as myself
[10:47] <LjL> DuckFart: you surely know of a command called "rm" in Unix. maybe you want to randomly try it with some options?
[10:47] <mneptok> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mneptok
[10:47] <gnomefreak> new users know ther eis a bot in there and what the trigger is?
[10:47] <ompaul> DuckFart, that is what /ns ghost $username $pass is for
[10:47] <mc44> mneptok: bah, the world didn't blow up :(
[10:47] <ompaul> DuckFart, you know this place exists, and you could ask here or in -offtopic it was not a ubuntu support issue or even in #freenode
[10:47] <DuckFart> again, i'm new to irc. i don't know all the commands. i simply went to #ubuntu for help, and was able to give some help in return. i wasn't expecting to know all the irc in the process
[10:48] <mneptok> mc44: didn't it? ... DIDN'T IT?!??!
[10:48] <mc44> mneptok: I should go outside and check
[10:48] <ompaul> DuckFart, your learning ;-)
[10:48] <DuckFart> ompaul. i didn't know this placed existed until seveas pointed out to me about 10 mins ago.
[10:49] <ompaul> and I get to say it again :)
[10:49] <mneptok> DuckFart: before randomly entering bot commands you might want to acquaint yourself with what they actually do. lest you piss people off. which you did.
[10:50] <DuckFart> mneptok. i simply asked for help. if they don't like it, perhaps they shouldn't be in a position to kick.
[10:50] <mneptok> DuckFart: and arguing about it is not going to get you any results you want. that's a certainty.
[10:50] <ompaul> DuckFart, the thing is when !opz is hit up to 20 people get a highlight and stop whatever they are doing and arrive
[10:50] <DuckFart> ompaul: i didn't know requesting for ops would do that. it's not exaclty posted in the MOTD
[10:50] <mneptok> DuckFart: then you should not have typed the command?
[10:50] <ompaul> well you do now, and as I said, you are learning, you'll get the hang of it some day
[10:51] <mneptok> DuckFart: how is that unclear?
[10:51] <DuckFart> i'm sorry if i upset anyone by simply asking for help when i got stuck, but if you're going to ban becasue you don't like it, then try finding something else to waste your time.
[10:51] <gnomefreak> what did you expect it to do?
[10:52] <nalioth> DuckFart: what did you expect the !ops command to help you with?
[10:52] <LjL> you didn't "ask for help", you used a command that you couldn't even have guessed existed.
[10:52] <LjL> stop thinking we're idiots.
[10:52] <Daviey> gnomefreak, i used it once expecting a list of current ops - whoops
[10:52] <LjL> there are hundreds of people on #ubuntu everyday
[10:52] <LjL> they all ask for help
[10:52] <LjL> and they do that by *asking*
[10:52] <LjL> not by summoning the ops
[10:52] <ompaul> game over lets go back to work for a bit on whatever we were working on
[10:52] <DuckFart> i do know enough that operators of channels are called "ops". i asked the bot using the ! command how to get their attention.
[10:53] <DuckFart> which i obviously did
[10:53] <LjL> you got our attention alright. i just wonder why you thought that, among the other 1000 people asking for help, *your* question deserved the ops' immediate attention.
[10:54] <LjL> again - doing random things (assuming it was random) without knowing what they actually do may have consequences.
[10:54] <Daviey> I think he thought that ops could somehow help with GHOST's
[10:54] <LjL> i type a random command on my terminal: i may lose data.
[10:54] <DuckFart> if the ops command is so important, then perhaps it would be beneficial not to make it so easy to guess for people like me ;)
[10:54] <LjL> you do random things on irc that happen to be bad: you get banned.
[10:54] <LjL> welcome to life.
[10:54] <mneptok> DuckFart: and arguing about it is not going to get you any results you want. that's a certainty. (x2)
[10:55] <mneptok> DuckFart: i can add the <GIANT_DAMNED_HINT> tag if it would help ...
[10:55] <Daviey> Should IRC resolution plan be kicked into play?
[10:55] <DuckFart> mneptok: thank you (x2)
[10:55] <ompaul> Daviey, no
[10:56] <ompaul> Daviey, msg me if you want more details
[10:56] <DuckFart> the IRC resolution?
[10:59] <DuckFart> LjL; in answer to your earlier question, i wanted ops help because the help i required was not related to the room topic.
[11:00] <ompaul> DuckFart, okay, do you see the point that !ops is not for general use?
[11:00] <ompaul> now, not historically
[11:01] <DuckFart> yes, i do. obviously ops is for emergencies, but that is not entirely obivous for a newcomer.
[11:01] <ubotu> LjL called the ops in #ubuntu-bots
[11:02] <ompaul> LjL, why?
[11:02] <Seveas> testing I guess
[11:02] <ompaul> yah
[11:02] <LjL> ompaul: err that's a bug actually, i guess
[11:02] <LjL> i didn't use !ops
[11:02] <Seveas> yah
[11:02] <LjL> i just used !-ops
[11:02] <Seveas> it's a bug!
[11:02] <Seveas> !-ops
[11:02] <ubotu> ops aliases: kops, op, medic, calltheops, call the ops - added by Seveas on 2006-07-29 12:54:12
[11:02] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-ops
[11:02] <ompaul> file it
[11:02] <Seveas> no need to
[11:02] <Seveas> I'm on it :)
[11:02] <ompaul> :)
[11:03] <ompaul> file it and get karma
[11:03] <mc44> in /dev/null
[11:03] <Seveas> @pity ompaul
[11:03] <ompaul> thanks a bunch
[11:03] <DuckFart> ompaul: yes, i do. obviously ops is for emergencies, but that is not entirely obivous for a newcomer.
[11:03] <ompaul> DuckFart, so we don't get many newcomers doing it
[11:04] <ompaul> DuckFart, do you know how hard it is to treat you seriously with that nick?
[11:04] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-bots
[11:04] <DuckFart> like i said, i guessed at the command because i know operators are called ops, and i asked the bot via ! to get the help i asked for
[11:04] <Seveas> !-ops
[11:04] <ubotu> ops aliases: kops, op, medic, calltheops, call the ops - added by Seveas on 2006-07-29 12:54:12
[11:04] <Seveas> fixed
[11:04] <DuckFart> ompaul: i have a twisted sense of humour
[11:05] <ompaul> DuckFart, and you are dealing with people from many many countries and cultures
[11:05] <DuckFart> ompaul: i have no doubt of that
[11:05] <PriceChild> *groan*
[11:05] <ompaul> hahaha
[11:05] <Seveas> ROFL
[11:06] <Seveas> I PITY THE FOWL!
[11:06] <ompaul> that is brilliant
[11:06] <ompaul> Seveas, that is pitti the duck
[11:06] <DuckFart> look for the "Vicar of Dibley" and the duck fart scene, might find it on YouTube
[11:06] <ompaul> na, I got worse things to be doing, it is not an issue
[11:07] <ompaul> just hard to convince me to be serious
[11:07] <DuckFart> ompaul: fair enough. i don't take myself seriously half the time. but it's only a nick
[11:08] <nalioth> just like your name is only a name
[11:08] <DuckFart> as long as it put a smile on your face
[11:08] <ompaul> DuckFart, no, it is just I can't take this person seriously
[11:08] <ompaul> and if you say vicar of dibley then I really can't take you seriously
[11:09] <DuckFart> ompaul: ...
[11:09] <ompaul> DuckFart, I know Dawn F et al
[11:10] <ompaul> not in real life
[11:11] <ompaul> ohh noes we are all dooomed it is mneptok with vioce
[11:11] <ompaul> voice even
[11:11] <Seveas> doom gone
[11:13] <Daviey> nice sign off eh?
[11:13] <mneptok> !ops
[11:13] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti or mneptok
[11:13] <ubotu> mneptok called the ops in #ubuntu-ops
[11:13] <PriceChild> @lart mneptok
[11:13] <Seveas> @pity mneptok
[11:13] <LjL> fnnng
[11:13] <mneptok> THAT QUIT MESSAGE ANNOYS ME!
[11:14] <Daviey> you'd have thought that we would have avoided anything controversial, after what has just happend!
[11:14] <Seveas> mneptok, bnd over
[11:14] <Amaranth> /cs k mneptok
[11:14] <mneptok> Seveas: 'tis better to give than to recieve ...
[11:14] <ompaul> Daviey, perhaps
[11:14] <ompaul> his quit message is a bit "off"
[11:15] <gnomefreak> hes been around alot lately maybe last 2 weeks or so
[11:15] <gnomefreak> i remember that quit message
[11:15] <mneptok> bah. Bucharest is too hot.
[11:16] <jenda> mneptok?
[11:16] <mneptok> jenda?
[11:16] <LjL> meh don't make such a deal of a quit message with an ellypsis at a sensible place now
[11:16] <PriceChild> they call jenda "bullet"
[11:16] <jenda> O_o
[11:16] <jenda> PriceChild: 3 minute response time is ok :)
[11:16] <PriceChild> hehe it'll do :P
[11:25] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: what was your issue with compiz before?
[11:26] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, it wasn't compiz problem... fixed now... my fault I'm sure :)
[11:26] <gnomefreak> compiz has issues on gutsy is why i ask
[11:26] <PriceChild> I haven't used compiz for a while
[11:26] <gnomefreak> .reload
[11:26] <gnomefreak> darn
[11:27] <gnomefreak> upgrade depends borked
[11:32] <mneptok> gnomefreak: no worries. there are other brands of adult diapers.
[11:32] <gnomefreak> lol :)
[11:34] <mneptok> better than the pkgsrc "make clean-depends" command
[11:41] <mneptok> bedtime. noapte buna!
[11:42] <mc44> mneptok: when you wake up there'll be millions of dell customers waiting for you :)
[11:43] <mneptok> mneptok: not in Romania there ain't ;)
[11:43] <mc44> mneptok: no wonder you are talking to yourself :P
[11:45] <Pici> _3oo3 is trolling again in #ubuntu
[11:45] <Pici> nevermind
[11:53] <Amaranth> how do i make ubotu update it's package listing? :)
[11:58] <SportChick> win stick off
[11:59] <Amaranth> lose stick off :P
[11:59] <mc44> win stick on!
[11:59] <Pici> wax off
[12:00] <Amaranth> wax on
[12:01] <Seveas> Amaranth, you don't -- that's done weekly
[12:01] <Amaranth> aww
[12:02] <Amaranth> !info compiz gutsy
[12:02] <ubotu> compiz: OpenGL window and compositing manager. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.3.6-1ubuntu13 (gutsy), package size 26 kB, installed size 60 kB
[12:02] <Seveas> I could change it to daily
[12:05] <Seveas> !info compiz gutsy
[12:05] <ubotu> compiz: OpenGL window and compositing manager. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.5.0+git20070516-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 26 kB, installed size 60 kB
[12:05] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: dpkg failure in update to compiz (depends issue on compiz-gtk
[12:06] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: dpkg is being weird
[12:06] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:06] <Amaranth> compiz 0.5.0+git20070516 doesn't depend on compiz-gtk and compiz-gnome has a Conflicts/Replaces for compiz-gtk anyway
[12:06] <Amaranth> so it doesn't make much sense
[12:07] <Amaranth> i did a successful upgrade from 0.3.6 to this package before giving it to seb128
[12:07] <gnomefreak> !info compiz-gtk
[12:07] <gnomefreak> !info compiz-gtk gutsy
[12:07] <ubotu> compiz-gtk: OpenGL window and compositing manager - Gtk window decorator. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.3.6-1ubuntu13 (feisty), package size 60 kB, installed size 188 kB
[12:07] <Amaranth> i merged compiz-gtk into compiz-gnome
[12:08] <Amaranth> since it only had gtk-window-decorator which we build with a metacity dependency
[12:08] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[12:08] <Amaranth> maybe i was supposed to add a Provides too?
[12:08] <gnomefreak> that would be why the error
[12:08] <gnomefreak> compiz depends on compiz-gtk; however: Package compiz-gtk is to be removed.
[12:08] <Amaranth> i thought Conflicts/Replaces would be enough but i guess that's only for file ownership
[12:08] <gnomefreak> since compiz-gtk is no longer its own package dpkg wants to remove it
[12:09] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: should have been enough afaik
[12:09] <Amaranth> right, but the new compiz metapackage doesn't depend on compiz-gtk
[12:09] <Amaranth> so it's upgrading things in the wrong order
[12:10] <gnomefreak> thats not that abnormal though thats why sometimes you have to run dpkg --configure after upgrades sometimes
[12:11] <gnomefreak> but normally thats more of the release to release upgrades that you see that
[12:11] <Amaranth> the real wtf is that the workspace switching keybindings are gone (because i change it to use viewports by default and dropped that huge patch)
[12:11] <Amaranth> so i need some way to override user settings for active_plugins, number_of_desktops, hsize, and vsize
[12:12] <gnomefreak> i havent played with compiz/beryl on my gutsy sys yet
[12:12] <Amaranth> ah
[12:12] <Amaranth> well the workspace switching keybindings added 39 options to compiz-core
[12:13] <Amaranth> each option is at least 5 lines of code before you even write the function to make it do something
[12:13] <Amaranth> and ~3-5 lines of XML
[12:13] <Amaranth> so i said screw that and dropped it, we're using viewports now :)
[12:13] <gnomefreak> good move
[12:13] <Amaranth> right now it does 2x2 viewports with the plane plugin
[12:14] <Amaranth> because we want to use wall/expo and 2x2 is the best way to layout your viewports for that effect
[12:14] <Amaranth> but wall/expo don't have a release yet so plane is filling in


[02:38] <vagrantc> is there any secure way to verify the ssh host keys for git.launchpad.net ?
[15:42] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[15:47] <_Groo_> when building an llvm git snapshot, the ppa is running out of memory and killing dpkg-buildpackage, is there any workaround for this?
[15:51] <_Groo_> see https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/llvm-snapshot/+build/9669573
[15:51] <_Groo_> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/292934
[16:53] <cjwatson> _Groo_: I've answered on your ticket
[16:53] <_Groo_> cjwatson: nice, let me read it
[16:54]  * cjwatson corrects himself
[16:54] <_Groo_> cjwatson: hum ok, ill check, but just a quick reply. am i right? is the builder killing the ld linkage?
[16:54] <cjwatson> Yep, you're just running out of memory because you're using a pretty enormous amount of it
[16:55] <cjwatson> Nothing magical
[16:55] <_Groo_> cjwatson: yeah, llvm is a beast, it can easily consume 10GB or more during linkage
[16:55] <cjwatson> There must be ways to trim that down though
[16:55] <_Groo_> cjwatson: ill have to check the docs to see HOW am i supposed to lower this amount
[16:55] <cjwatson> Giving builds that much would significantly reduce the number of builders we can operate
[16:56] <cjwatson> Which would make quite a dent in our overall throughput
[16:56] <_Groo_> cjwatson: i know, it would be an exception, i only use this particular ppa for llvm purposed, precisely because its such a beast
[16:56] <cjwatson> Like I say, we may be able to bump to 8GiB at some point, but probably not until the builder clouds are next redeployed
[16:56] <cjwatson> We can't make exceptions
[16:56] <cjwatson> I mean literally can't, all builder instances are identical
[16:56] <_Groo_> cjwatson: im not asking you to, i was just merely saying that this would be a case for an exception
[16:57] <cjwatson> And I'm saying we have no possibility of exceptions
[16:57] <_Groo_> cjwatson: i understood that from the start, its a global configuration :D
[16:57] <_Groo_> cjwatson: thanks for the quick reply, you are awesome :D
[16:57] <cjwatson> Anyway, llvm can be built in Ubuntu, so it must be possible
[16:58] <cjwatson> Since we use the same builders
[16:58] <_Groo_> cjwatson: back to the documentation to see how am i going to fix this
[16:58] <_Groo_> cjwatson: good luck in compiling 3.9
[16:58] <cjwatson> I'm sure it will be managed
[16:58] <_Groo_> cjwatson: it changed from make to cmake, and although it made stuff much simpler, it bumped the memory consumption quite a lot
[16:59] <_Groo_> cjwatson: but yeah, we will tame the beast
[16:59] <cjwatson> How would the build system make much of a difference?  Unless of course it dropped some memory-reduction flags or is linking more objects at once
[16:59] <cjwatson> Fortunately I don't myself maintain toolchain packages
[16:59] <_Groo_> cjwatson: is there any way for me to see the logs of the actual builder? like memory consumption and the OS logs?
[16:59] <cjwatson> No, we don't retain those
[17:00] <_Groo_> cjwatson: both i guess
[17:00] <_Groo_> cjwatson: ugh it will be try and error then :P oh well...
[17:00] <cjwatson> You can dump out whatever information you like during the build as long as you can get hold of it as non-root
[17:00] <_Groo_> cjwatson: how?
[17:01] <cjwatson> you already have a dh_override_auto_build target, right?
[17:02] <cjwatson> make it run actual-build-command || { dump-information; exit 1; }
[17:02] <cjwatson> pseudocode obviously
[17:02] <cjwatson> the process being killed is ld, not any of the packaging machinery, so you have an opportunity to handle it
[17:04] <_Groo_> cjwatson: ok, tks for the tip
[18:06] <clivejo> hi folks, anyone know how the LP git web hooks work?  and if they can be used to trigger builds on Jenkins?


[06:24] <madhukar> Hi All, I am using juju 2.0-beta15. I am trying to deploy a charm bundle. Inside the charm bundle there are few charms which I have pointed to my local charm directory.
[06:25] <madhukar> This is how I have pointed to the local directory:
[06:25] <madhukar>   cassandra:     charm: local:trusty/cassandra
[06:25] <madhukar> and I have updated the $JUJU_REPOSITORY env variable
[06:26] <madhukar> When I deploy this charm, I am getting the below error
[06:26] <madhukar> ERROR cannot deploy bundle: cannot resolve URL "local:trusty/cassandra": unknown schema for charm URL "local:trusty/cassandra"
[06:26] <madhukar> Am I missing something here
[06:26] <madhukar> ?
[06:28] <hloeung> madhukar: what does $JUJU_REPOSITORY point to?
[06:28] <hloeung> and within $JUJU_REPOSITORY, is the charm present as 'trusty/cassandra' (so trusty directory followed by cassandra)?
[06:28] <madhukar> ubuntu@juju-api-client:~$ echo $JUJU_REPOSITORY /home/ubuntu/juju/
[06:29] <madhukar> yeah I have trusty directory followed by cassandra
[06:30] <hloeung> hmm, not sure then. Maybe 'juju --show-log --debug' might show something more helpful
[06:30] <madhukar> ok let me try that
[07:20] <Rajith> hi, In ubunt 14.04, getting error: The requested backend 'zfs' isn't available on your system (missing tools).
[07:23] <Rajith> if I try to install zfsutils-linux, getting error unable to locate package zfsutils-linux.  Let me know how to install zfs file system on ubuntu14.04
[09:14] <junaidali> Hi everyone, I'm deploying a single-controller cluster with juju 2.0 on xenial but percona-cluster seems to have issues. After sometime, other openstack services are not able to connect to mysql. To solve, i have to restart mysql service. There isn't any networking issue as I had deployed single-controller bundle with juju 2.0 on trusty several times on the same setup. Has anyone else facing this issue? or any  idea what might be the cause?
[10:42] <rock> Hi. On juju version, 2.0-rc1-xenial-amd64 I want to deploy a charm bundle. Inside charm bundle several charms are there. I want to point one of the bundle charm to local charm directory. For that How can I exactly edit the bundle.yaml?
[10:47] <zeestrat> rock: Try just using "charm: /path/to/local/charm" instead of "charm: cs:xenial/ceph-mon-3"
[10:48] <rock> zeestrat: Oh. Thank you.
[10:49] <rock> zeestrat: Am I need to change $JUJU_Repository?
[10:51] <rock> I mean am I need to update  $JUJU_REPOSITORY environment variable?
[10:53] <zeestrat> rock: I don't think so if you use an absolute path, but I can't say for sure. P.S. It can be helpful to run juju deploy with the --debug flag to get a bit more info on where Juju is looking for bundle/charms
[10:54] <rock> zeestrat: OK. Thank you.
[11:06] <rock> Hi. I have a question. I have openstack-on-lxd setup with juju version 2.0-beta15. So now I want to enable multipath on nova service deployed LXD container  and cinder service deployed LXD container using our own "cinder-storage" driver charm. But we are facing an issue. http://paste.openstack.org/show/582934/
[11:06] <rock> how to resolve this please?
[11:44] <rock> Hi. # apt-get install multipath-tools --yes   this command is failing on LXD containers. Please anyone tell me the reason for this.
[11:46] <rick_h_> rock: I'm not familiar with the package, but it looks like it might run afoul of the security settings/apparmor bits that allows lxd containers to be isolated cleanly
[11:50] <rock> rick_h_: Thank you for your information. Am I need to change kernal level security settings? But the same package working fine in 16.04 and 14.04 machine.
[11:50] <rick_h_> rock: in a lxd container?
[11:51] <rick_h_> rock: because containers have a shared kernel, there's a lot of work into locking things that could cause issues there.
[11:51] <rick_h_> rock: it might be worth engaging the upstream lxd team on this for better details
[11:52] <rock> rick_h_: Oh. Thank you. How can approach upstream lxd team?
[11:52] <rick_h_> rock: check out https://linuxcontainers.org/
[11:52] <rick_h_> rock: if you go into the lxd xection there's irc, mailing list, etc
[11:54] <rock> rick_h_: Thank you.
[11:54] <zeestrat> rick_h_: Are you guys still aiming for compatibility between RC's so you can upgrade between them?
[11:54] <rick_h_> zeestrat: yes, very much so
[12:01] <zeestrat> rick_h_: Good to hear. Thanks.
[12:57] <lazyPower> cmars: yo lmk when youre ready for another round of refresh, i think we have the ingress lb sorted as well
[13:25] <cmars> lazyPower, cool. i'm having trouble with hacking on local builds of the master & worker charms. system seems to thrash like mad when i upload that 1gb resource :(
[13:25] <lazyPower> well, yeah
[13:25] <cmars> lazyPower, how do y'all develop on them?
[13:25] <lazyPower> wait
[13:25] <lazyPower> 1gb resource?
[13:25] <lazyPower> you're repacking the release tarball right?
[13:26] <cmars> lazyPower, um
[13:26] <cmars> lazyPower, no?
[13:26] <cmars> :)
[13:26] <lazyPower> I sent over a bash script to take that kubernetes releae tarball and split out a worker/master resource package :D
[13:26] <cmars> LOL
[13:26] <cmars> ok
[13:26] <cmars> wow
[13:26] <lazyPower> lol sorry i wasn't too specific on details, something about deadlines, no time, and lack of sleep
[13:26] <cmars> no worries
[13:26] <lazyPower> 1 sec i'll re-gist
[13:26] <cmars> i'm just hackety-hacking on an experiment
[13:26] <lazyPower> https://gist.github.com/fa4a1dca1d313967609bc07183bb272a
[13:27] <cmars> lazyPower, thanks, will take a look
[13:27] <cmars> otoh, i've possibly found a nice way to stress jujud for future profiling >:)
[13:35] <lazyPower> haha sick
[13:35] <lazyPower> cmars: yeah actually we can tank an rc1 container pretty consistently
[13:36] <lazyPower> cmars: around deploy 30/40 of these k8s bundles in succession the controller seems to go unresponsive during a resource upload, and its not clear why
[13:36] <lazyPower> i want to get more time to dig into it and fetch the logs and submit a bug, none to report so far...
[14:43] <geetha> Hi, `juju get-config` command is unrecognized in juju-2.0 rc1.
[14:46] <tvansteenburgh> geetha: it's just `juju config` now (changed in beta18)
[14:50] <geetha> ok, thank you tvansteenburgh..:)
[14:57] <madhukar> Hello
[14:57] <rick_h_> howdy madhukar
[14:57] <madhukar> I am trying to install juju 2.0. However when I try to add the ppa, its giving me the below error
[14:58] <madhukar> ubuntu@juju-api-client:~$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:juju/devel  Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:~juju/ubuntu/devel'. ERROR: '~juju' user or team does not exist.
[14:58] <rick_h_> there's a firewall issue atm and wonder if that's causing you issues
[14:58] <rick_h_> madhukar: the network is working to get corrected atm
[14:58] <axino> yes this is because of a network outage we're having
[14:58] <axino> we're working on it
[14:58] <rick_h_> ty axino
[14:58] <madhukar> Thanks for the update :)
[14:58] <axino> sorry for the inconvenience
[15:00] <madhukar> No Problem!
[15:02] <madhukar> Any link from where I can track this issue?
[15:02] <axino> madhukar: I'm afraid not
[15:03] <madhukar> hmmm!   Is it possible for somebody to update in this group?
[15:03] <rick_h_> madhukar: there's folks notifying on the launchpad and the juju-gui twitter handles
[15:03] <rick_h_> madhukar: will do
[15:03] <madhukar> ok thanks
[15:22] <madhukar> rick: I m able to add the ppa and install juju 2.0. Thanks for the help!
[15:23] <rick_h_> madhukar: glad it's coming back up
[16:08] <lazyPower> rick_h_: ^5 on getting the topic
[16:11] <stokachu> could probably remove that part now
[16:12] <stokachu> seems it's all back up
[16:12]  * rick_h_ thought he did
[16:12] <stokachu> \o/
[16:17] <lazyPower> cory_fu: i wrote an action in python and need that magic syspath bit that reactive gives me. can you refresh me on what that looks like?
[16:18] <lazyPower> oh i meant updating from beta18 in topic to rc
[16:18] <lazyPower> stokachu: also, hey, we have new kubes
[16:18] <lazyPower> stokachu: wanna give conjure a go and make sure it works as expected?
[16:19] <stokachu> lazyPower: yea ill do a run now
[16:19] <lazyPower> stokachu: ok hang on
[16:19] <lazyPower> we have an edge channel bundle
[16:19] <lazyPower> it fails to resolve elasticsearch when you punch in juju deploy cs:~containers/canonical-kubernetes --channel=edge though
[16:19] <lazyPower> i have no idea why
[16:19] <stokachu> lazyPower: i should update https://github.com/conjure-up/spells/blob/master/observable-kubernetes/metadata.yaml#L5 right?
[16:19] <stokachu> point to canonical one?
[16:19] <lazyPower> or just juju deploy canonical-kubernetes --channel=edge
[16:20] <lazyPower> yep
[16:20] <stokachu> ok
[16:20] <mbruzek> I don't have any idea either, we do have elasticsearch-18 in the store, but I can't get it to deploy out of a bundle.
[16:20] <lazyPower> observable-kubernets has been deprecated in favor of "Canonical distribution of Kubenetes"
[16:20] <lazyPower> stokachu: make sure you use those words, but properly spell kubernetes
[16:20] <lazyPower> it was apparently a big deal last week
[16:21] <stokachu> cool ill get it renamed
[16:25] <stokachu> deploying now
[16:36] <stokachu> lazyPower: mbruzek http://paste.ubuntu.com/23234120/
[16:36] <stokachu> so far so good
[16:37] <mbruzek> stokachu: cool
[16:37] <mbruzek> you attached the resources or is this a charm store deploy?
[16:37] <stokachu> yea this is basically your juju deploy bundle
[16:38] <lazyPower> nice
[16:38] <lazyPower> i think
[16:39] <lazyPower> :D
[16:39] <stokachu> i can do the upgrade-charm with resources if you want
[16:39] <stokachu> to test that
[16:41] <stokachu> looks like i hit an issue with etcd though: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23234120/
[16:41] <stokachu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23234147/
[16:41] <stokachu> ^ sorry that one
[16:49] <mbruzek> stokachu: That is an old bundle, we have a new one that splits master / worker
[16:49] <lazyPower> stokachu: yeah thats been fixed in the latest etcd. no longer running via rendered shell, i'm using the etcd python api libs
[16:50] <stokachu> https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v5/canonical-kubernetes/archive/bundle.yaml
[16:50] <lazyPower> stokachu: so, this bundle we push this afternoon will land in stable channel, should be nbd then.
[16:50] <stokachu> thats the bundle im using is there another one
[16:50] <stokachu> ah ok
[16:50] <lazyPower> i dont think thats our edge channel bundle
[16:50] <stokachu> yea it's just stable
[16:50] <lazyPower> and the store makes it hard to view bundles in different channels
[16:50] <stokachu> gotcha, yea conjure-up doesn't support edge either
[16:51] <stokachu> ok just ping me here when that bundle is in stable and ill rerun
[16:52] <lazyPower> ok will do stokachu, thanks for TAL so quickly
[16:57] <kwmonroe> hey lazyPower mbruzek, kibana's action is called 'load-dashboard', but i see 'deploy-dashboard' in a couple places (https://jujucharms.com/u/containers/beats-core and chuck's blog: http://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/09/22/monitoring-big-software-stacks-with-the-elastic-stack/).  i don't mind fixing, but how would you like to do it?  symlink deploy->load in kibana, or update the beats-core readme and blog post(s)?
[16:59] <mbruzek> kwmonroe: yeah write a bug for it, so we don't forget
[16:59] <kwmonroe> ack
[17:01] <mbruzek> kwmonroe: symlink would be fine so we don't have to change the blog, but we should also change the readme to be correct.
[17:01] <mbruzek> so both
[17:01] <mbruzek> good find, sorry for the bug
[17:32] <lazyPower> kwmonroe: its a config option these days. probably prefer to load dashboards via config eh?
[17:41] <kwmonroe> hard to say lazyPower, mostly because i don't know kibana very well.  dashboards via config might get dicey if i want beats today and beats plus something else tommorow.  in that case, would i config set dashboards="foo bar beats"?  if i forget "beats" in that string, do those dashboards go away?  if dashboards are meant to be "load once, available forever", then i think an action is appropriate.
[17:41] <kwmonroe> juju my $0.02
[17:42] <kwmonroe> er, *just
[17:42] <lazyPower> kwmonroe: its load once, available forever in both contexts
[17:43] <lazyPower> we supported the config option for bundle deployment to setup the dashboards.. but you bring up an important note
[17:43] <lazyPower> we have introduce immutability into our config
[17:43] <lazyPower> *introduced
[17:43] <kwmonroe> ssssshhhhhhhhhh... mbruzek will hear.
[17:43] <lazyPower> it needs to be said
[17:44] <CorvetteZR1> hi.  i got openstack up and running with openstack-base-xenial-mitaka charm
[17:44] <CorvetteZR1> i can log into the dashboard, but when i go to containers, i get an error:  Unable to get the Swift container listing.
[17:45] <CorvetteZR1> how do i configure this?  how do i log into the servers juju configured?  i can't ssh to them...
[17:51] <lazyPower> CorvetteZR1: juju ssh charm/unit#
[17:51] <lazyPower> eg: juju ssh swift/0
[17:52] <CorvetteZR1> cool, gonna try that
[17:53] <CorvetteZR1> trying to figure out which box it's on :D
[17:53] <CorvetteZR1> ah, it's one of the ceph boxes which failed to deploy...
[17:55] <CorvetteZR1> i can ssh to the node, thanks for the tip lazyPower
[17:55] <CorvetteZR1> not sure if i'll be able to fix my issue from here, but i'll see what i can find :)
[18:01] <lazyPower> CorvetteZR1: happy to help, just let us know, or reach out over the mailing list if nobody seems to be around that knows the answer
[18:01] <lazyPower> protip<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:01] <CorvetteZR1> cool, thanks
[18:02] <lazyPower> tvansteenburgh: standup ping
[18:14] <charles2> nick lazyPower
[20:25] <Siva> I used an yaml file to deploy with juju2.0 and it worked fine
[20:26] <Siva> I am trying the same yaml file with juju1.25 and deployed it using juju-deployer
[20:26] <Siva> I am getting the following error
[20:26] <Siva> ubuntu@juju-1-25-api-client:~$ juju-deployer -c contrail-trusty-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-liberty-cs-edit2.yaml -d 2016-09-26 19:58:24 [DEBUG] deployer.cli: Using runtime GoEnvironment on maas 2016-09-26 19:58:24 [ERROR] deployer.cli: Deployment name must be specified. available: ('machines', 'relations', 'series', 'services')
[20:26] <Siva> Any idea what is wrong here?
[20:27] <Siva> Any help is much appreciated
[20:28] <rick_h_> Siva: last year we updated the bundle format to v4 and juju 2.0 uses that. See https://blog.jujugui.org/2015/08/13/bundles-bundles-bundles/
[20:29] <Siva> does it mean juju-deployer does not support format v4?
[20:31] <rick_h_> Siva: it does support the v4 format
[20:31] <rick_h_> Siva: sorry, I read that backwards
[20:32] <rick_h_> Siva: that you had an old bundle that juju 2.0 would not accept
[20:32] <rick_h_> Siva: what version of 1.25? and maybe you need to s/applications/services in the bundle to get it to work on 1.25?
[20:34] <Siva> This is my juju version
[20:34] <Siva> ubuntu@juju-1-25-api-client:~$ juju --version 1.25.6-trusty-amd64
[20:34] <rick_h_> Siva: right, what does the bundle look like?
[20:34] <rick_h_> Siva: services were renamed applications in 2.0 so if it's "applications" I don't know if the deploy will remap that for you
[20:37] <Siva> It looks like this
[20:37] <Siva> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23235034/
[20:37] <Siva> This is not the full yaml file but something like this
[20:37] <Siva> This is not the full yaml file but something like the above
[20:40] <Siva> rick_h_: Are u able to look at the yaml file pasted in pastebin?
[20:40] <Siva> What should I change there to make it work with Juju 1.25
[20:45] <lazyPower> stokachu: ping re: kubernetes being ready for a go
[20:47] <Siva> rick_h_: Do you want me to paste the full yaml file? Please let me know
[20:54] <rick_h_> Siva: hmm, ok yea that looks about right
[20:54] <rick_h_> Siva: not sure on the series outside
[20:54] <rick_h_> Siva: that might be what's confusing it
[20:56] <Siva> Do you mean the 'series:trusty
[20:56] <Siva> Do you mean the 'series:trusty' in the very first line?
[20:57] <rick_h_> Siva: yes, try without that?
[20:58] <Siva> OK. Tried. I am still getting the same error
[21:01] <rick_h_> Siva: hmm, ok. so the error from the deployer is fussing about the keys
[21:02] <Siva> What does that mean?
[21:04] <rick_h_> Siva: sorry, on the phone. I mean to double check the keys are named matching the deployer error
[21:08] <Siva> @rick_h_, yes all the keys are available in yaml file
[21:08] <Siva> so don't know why it is complaining that it must be specified
[21:21] <kwmonroe> Siva: are you running this?   juju-deployer -c contrail-trusty-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-liberty-cs-edit2.yaml -d
[21:31] <kwmonroe> Siva: was able to able to start the deploy with your pastebin'd yaml.  looked ok to me (it eventually failed on undefined relations, but i attribute that to not being your full yaml file).  anyway, i'm running juju-1.25.6-trusty-amd64 and  juju-deployer-0.9.0~bzr193~58~ubuntu14.04.1
[21:41] <Siva> kwmonore:  yes I ran the command 'juju-deployer -c contrail-trusty-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-liberty-cs-edit2.yaml -d'
[21:42] <Siva> I am using the following version of juju-deployer
[21:42] <Siva> ubuntu@juju-1-25-api-client:~/.juju$ dpkg -l | grep deployer ii  juju-deployer                    0.6.4~bzr168~49~ubuntu14.04.1    amd64        A tool to deploy complex stacks of services using juju
[21:42] <Siva> 0.6.4~bzr168~49~ubuntu14.04.1
[21:43] <Siva> I am using the same version of juju 1.25 you are using as well
[21:44] <Siva> How do I install the version of juju-deployer you are using?
[21:48] <kwmonroe> tvansteenburgh: Siva's asking about juju-deployer v0.9.  i got that from your ppa.  is that the best place to grab it?
[21:48] <kwmonroe> ...backscroll for context
[21:50] <kwmonroe> Siva: unless tvansteenburgh says different, you can get 0.9 with:  add-apt-repository -y ppa:tvansteenburgh/ppa
[21:52] <Siva> OK. I will try with the version you are using an see if it works
[21:52] <Siva> I feel may be the version of juju-deployer I am using is having some issues
[21:54] <kwmonroe> yeah Siva, the error message you got ("Deployment name must be specified"), sounds an awful lot like juju-deployer isn't recognizing your v4 bundle format.  not sure when that support was introduced, but i know that juju-deployer-0.9 definitely supports v4.
[22:10] <Siva> kwmonore: I destroyed my existing container and doing it fresh. Give me 10 more mts. I will update you
[22:10] <Siva> sorry for the delay
[22:11] <veebers> alexisb: Do you have the link for the bug filed by OIL you mentioned in the stand up? (race condition with adding/removing/listing models)
[22:15] <alexisb> veebers, yes
[22:18] <alexisb> veebers, https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1618212
[22:18] <mup> Bug #1618212: juju models fails during model destruction <oil> <oil-2.0> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1618212>
[22:18] <alexisb> thumper, I will jump back on the call
[22:19] <veebers> alexisb: sweet thanks, I think this is the bug I see as well
[22:27] <Siva> kwmonroe: Thank you so much. I am not getting that error anymore
[22:27] <Siva> It is deploying it now
[22:27] <Siva> so the version of juju-deployer you pointed out has support for the v4 bundle format
[22:48] <kwmonroe> glad it's working Siva!
[22:49] <magicalt1out> liar


[00:35] <mr_steve> Hm, if we ever get a supybot in this channel, I bet the todo list plugin would be great for meeting agendas
[00:59] <Takyoji> Gah, I have yet to write a profile page for my account on the Ubuntu Wiki
[01:11] <mr_steve> me too. I think I started to, but never finished it
[01:59] <Takyoji> Just finished World of Goo
[01:59] <_diablo> Takyoji, how was it? I've only played the demo, but I enjoyed that
[02:00] <Takyoji> The music is beautiful; the story is interesting/random (thus considerably a light laugh occasionally as well), and it's actually not too hard
[02:01] <_diablo> yeah, if it weren't proprietary, I'd be all over it
[02:01] <Takyoji> There's also the alternate realm where you can just go ahead and build various things with the Goo as well
[02:02] <_diablo> Takyoji, yeah, I tried that, but it didn't like my interwebs connection for sharing
[02:02] <Takyoji> ahh
[02:06] <_diablo> do you know where a good place would be to learn about connecting to a wireless network via CLI would be?
[02:06] <_diablo> the ones that I've tried haven't really worked
[02:06] <mr_steve> I can give you a quick primer
[02:07] <mr_steve> I don't know why there's no good CLI interface to NetworkManager, I'm gonna have to get around to writing one someday. But doing it by hand just takes a few commands, really
[02:09] <_diablo> mr_steve, I tried the ifconfig, iwlist, iwconfig, dhclient approach, but it didn't work. I used the approach here: http://www.ghacks.net/2009/04/14/connect-to-a-wireless-network-via-command-line/
[02:09] <_diablo> I have a broadcom card and am using the STA driver in case that matters
[02:11] <mr_steve> _diablo, was there any security on the network you were trying to connect to?
[02:11] <_diablo> mr_steve, yes. I tried it with wpa, and obviously I would need to figure out wpa-supplicant, so I changed it to wep, but that didn't work either
[02:12] <mr_steve> okay, yeah that article you linked to lies about wpa, but you know that already.
[02:12] <_diablo> mr_steve, #fedora just recommended I use cnetworkmanager
[02:12] <_diablo> mr_steve, yeah, I know :)
[02:12] <mr_steve> There is one thing missing from that guide that I seem to always have to do
[02:13] <_diablo> what's that?
[02:13] <mr_steve> After doing the iwconfig wlan0 essid "whatever", I usually seem to need to do iwconfig wlan0 ap auto before it will associate
[02:14] <_diablo> hmmmm
[02:14] <_diablo> okay, I'll add that to my list and try it
[02:14] <mr_steve> seems at least with some drivers setting the essid just tells the card which network it should be a part of, but ap needs to be set or auto for it to actually connect to an individual ap
[02:15] <mr_steve> since although it's a rare setup, there can be more than on BSSID for a given ESSID. Like for roaming between APs
[02:20] <mr_steve> Thanks for reminding me about cnetworkmanager, too. It's not in the repos, I should try and roll up a .deb over the weekend
[02:26] <mr_steve> ah it's written in python. pythoncentral fun, yay. I'll probably have a .deb in my PPA soonish
[02:27] <_diablo> it's in the fedora repos ;)
[02:28] <mr_steve> Yup. Heh, I keep forgetting you're not an ubuntuholic like I am :)
[02:29] <_diablo> not at all. ubuntu annoys me more often than I enjoy it. but I still give it to people like the cig companies do with their cigarettes.
[02:30] <mr_steve> haha, nice.
[02:31] <_diablo> brb, I'm gonna try ratpoison wireless
[02:31] <_diablo> mr_steve, does 128 vs 64 WEP matter?
[02:32] <_diablo> for iwconfig I mean
[02:40] <mr_steve> _diablo, not sure. I think iwconfig figures it out based on the key length. Are you providing the key as hexadecimal digits?
[02:41] <_diablo> mr_steve, I was going to use the s: switch
[02:42] <_diablo> brb, going to try this for real now
[02:57] <Takyoji> Anyone know of FreeNX?
[03:14] <mr_steve> Takyoji, I've heard of, but never used it. Supposed to be an X server for Win32, innit?
[03:25] <mr_steve> well folks if anyone's interested there's now a package for cnetworkmanager in my PPA. I'm ~smcgrath23 on launchpad.
[03:25] <mr_steve> I've been playing with it a bit and it seems to be working, and pretty decent to use
[03:33] <Takyoji> I take it that you packaged it?
[03:38] <mr_steve> Takyoji, yup. I'm gonna try to clean it up a little more and get it into the repos, since there's already a needs-packaging bug for it
[03:38] <Takyoji> ahh
[03:49] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: So you're volunteering to write up minutes, right?  :)
[03:50] <Takyoji> I may be willing to in fact
[04:11] <Takyoji> Is there some form of a list or a method to find projects that need a package maintainer?
[04:11] <_diablo> Takyoji, not that I know of, sorry, I'd ask on #ubuntu
[04:24] <tonyyarusso> The better place to ask would be the MOTU mailing list.
[04:24] <_diablo> or that
[04:27] <Takyoji> Mark of the Unicorn? :D
[04:27] <Takyoji> Someone should tweak the wiki page for MOTU
[04:27] <Takyoji> (on Wikipedia)
[04:30] <Takyoji> otherwise I know what you mean; Masters of the Universe
[04:59] <Takyoji> Leaving for the night
[05:00] <_diablo> nn
[18:00] <mr_steve> tonyyarusso, is it possible for us to get a project cloak on freenode? Dunno if freenode actually considers us a project?
[19:15]  * mr_steve is updating the netbook to lucid...
[20:05] <kermit> i think freenode would be happy to do that
[20:06] <kermit> mr_steve:
[20:07] <mr_steve> yeah, they probably would. There's not really too much point to it, but hey, why not?
[21:38] <h00k> I think I just had an Ubuntu Hour with my barber.
[21:40] <_diablo> haha, really? were you convincing?
[21:55] <h00k> _diablo: I...think so, yeah
[21:55] <h00k> I wasn't really trying to convince, I just asked him questions he had about it
[21:55] <h00k> "why is it safer," things like that
[21:56] <_diablo> that's good
[21:56] <_diablo> and those kinds of relaxed conversations are what we need
[21:56] <_diablo> often just saying the word is 50% of the battle. get it in their heads so when they hear it again, they're more receptive
[22:01] <h00k> he asked my major, and it sort of went from there
[22:01] <h00k> we covered a broad range of topics
[22:01] <h00k> from mobile phones and their trends, how silly the ipad is,
[22:02] <_diablo> lol
[22:05] <h00k> bah, what was the last message?
[22:06] <h00k> I'm trying to fix my irssi
 he asked my major, and it sort of went from there
 we covered a broad range of topics
 from mobile phones and their trends, how silly the ipad is,
 lol
[22:06] <_diablo> * h00k has quit (Quit: breaking things)
[22:06] <_diablo> * h00k (~anthonyrh@unaffiliated/h00k) has joined #ubuntu-us-mn
 bah, what was the last message?
 I'm trying to fix my irssi
[22:06] <_diablo> brb
[22:07] <h00k> hah, okay.,
[22:09] <Takyoji> Woo, nobody's acknowledging my existence on #ubuntu-motu
[22:09] <Takyoji> With a total of 216 users
[22:12] <Takyoji> (I asked a question and got no answer on that channel; while others are blabbing)
[22:12] <_diablo> back
[22:13] <_diablo> Takyoji, can you repeat? I didn't see your question
[22:15] <Takyoji> Someone just answered it now; I was asking of reasonable materials for getting involved with packaging
[22:15] <_diablo> ah
[22:17] <Takyoji> Otherwise I'm glad to see conversation going on in this channel
[22:35] <mr_steve> Hey h00k, do you happen to have any idea why my 'unaffiliated' cloak has a bunch of crap at the end and yours doesn't?
[22:35] <h00k> 16:35 mr_steve <steve@unaffiliated/mr-steve/x-2535065>
[22:35] <h00k> good question
[22:35] <h00k> I have no idea, actually
[22:35] <h00k> check #freenode
[22:36] <mr_steve> yeah I'll have to bug the staff again I guess. Would you mind checking my WHOIS and seeing if it's at least hiding my hostname? It still shows when I WHOIS myself
[22:37] <_diablo> * [mr_steve] (steve@unaffiliated/mr-steve/x-2535065): Steve McGrath
[22:37] <_diablo> * [mr_steve] #ubuntu-us-mn
[22:37] <_diablo> * [mr_steve] hubbard.freenode.net :Pittsburgh, PA, US
[22:38] <mr_steve> ah thanks _diablo
[22:38] <h00k> 16:35 mr_steve <steve@unaffiliated/mr-steve/x-2535065>
[22:38] <h00k> 16:35  ircname  : Steve McGrath
[22:38] <h00k> 16:35  channels : #ubuntu-us-mn
[22:38] <h00k> 16:35  server   : hubbard.freenode.net [Pittsburgh, PA, US]
[22:38] <h00k> 16:35  account  : mr_steve
[22:38] <h00k> 16:35 End of WHOIS
[22:38] <h00k> yeah, that's what I have
[22:41] <mr_steve> Well I'm glad the cloak's working, even if it looks a little funky
[22:41] <mr_steve> I was notcing a correlation between snort alerts on my firewall and the times spent hanging out in certain channels...
[22:55] <mr_steve> aha. my cloak has the random numbers at the end because of the underscore in my nick. Guess I either gotta live with it or change my account name. Meh.
[23:09] <Takyoji> Didn't know there was an Ubuntu Pastebin
[23:15] <h00k> pastebin.ubuntu.com
[23:17] <kermit> :/ i cant find my #ubuntu tab, someone say my nick in there
[23:19] <kermit> n/m i got it
[23:26] <Takyoji> That's right; I have yet to install Lucid Lynx yet
[23:26] <Takyoji> of which I'll hopefully get done tonight
[23:26] <h00k> I just finished setting up a dualboot on my lappy today
[23:27] <Obsidian1723> NYou going to install that on a production box or a devel machine?
[23:28] <Takyoji> My primary desktop
[23:28] <Takyoji> I'll be sure that my work and so forth is properly backed up and so forth; in case if anything goes wrong
[23:30] <Obsidian1723> Dang, Id never install Alpha or B eta on a primary box.
[23:31] <Obsidian1723> Yeah, Remastersys works well for that.
[23:39] <kermit> :( apt-get remove doestn actuallly remove the files for me
[23:39] <kermit> and trying again it says the pacakges are removed, but they're still htere.. gigs in /usr/share/games
[23:39] <kermit> i guess i can manually remove them, but i'm pretty sure apt-get was supposed to
[23:40] <Takyoji> Which game(s)?
[23:41] <Obsidian1723> --purge
[23:41] <Obsidian1723> autoremove
[23:41] <Obsidian1723> one of thse should do the trick


[12:10] <Ardonel> Good morning all. 53 F in south Fort Worth, TX.  Have a great day.


[00:10] <gamerchick02> nice, mrgoodcat!
[00:11] <mrgoodcat> i know
[00:11] <mrgoodcat> finally :)
[00:11] <mrgoodcat> i've been slacking
[00:13] <gamerchick02> i have been too, but last week i worked till 6 on Wednesday
[02:18] <snap-l> mrgoodcat: That's awesome. :)
[02:25] <snap-l> .np squeekyhoho
[02:25] <snap-l> Bah
[02:25] <snap-l> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsFZfv70O8Y
[02:25] <snap-l> I picked this album up on a lark at UHF and it's captivating
[02:26] <snap-l> It's an interpretation of Holst's "The Planets" by an electronic musician
[02:26] <snap-l> I have never taken drugs before but I have a feeling this is the closest thing.
[02:35] <snap-l> Also: Never read the comments/
[03:36] <greg-g> cmaloney: what have you just put in my ears?
[05:19] <mrgoodcat> lol a friend just recommended breadability to me
[05:19] <mrgoodcat> i was like lol dude you don't even know
[12:13] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: lol that's awesome
[14:02] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:02] <cmaloney> greg-g: Hopefully something awesome. :)
[15:10] <gamerchick02> happy Sunday
[17:36] <greg-g> cmaloney: it was a good way to end the night
[17:36] <greg-g> :)
[17:50] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: is there any way to get breadability to output valid html?
[17:50] <mrgoodcat> as in, a full page instead of a snippet
[18:27] <cmaloney> greg-g: Very cool. :)
[19:45] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: yes, there's a flag sec
[19:46] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: --fragment=false?
[19:48] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: https://github.com/bookieio/breadability/blob/master/breadability/scripts/client.py#L74
[19:48] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/rZ8Kms - breadability/client.py at master · bookieio/breadability · GitHub
[19:48] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: what are you up to?


[07:52] <hdon> hi all :) dunno if this is right place, but #ubuntu has not helped me yet
[07:53] <hdon> i'm trying to ecryptfs-mount-private in a chrooted ubuntu 12.04 system from ubuntu 14.04 system
[07:54] <hdon> but all i get is this: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8826760 (the zeros are mine; though the sig should be harmless, whatev)
[07:59] <hdon> hmm... i tried ecryptfs-add-passphrase --fnek and i got this message: Error: Your kernel does not support filename encryption
[08:00] <hdon> is there a module i need?
[08:00] <hdon> or does ubuntu 14.04 no longer support this?
[08:02] <infinity> hdon: Probably asking in the wrong place, this is a development channel for the installer.
[08:02] <infinity> hdon: As for kernel support, a quick glance at a 14.04 host certainly seems to imply ecryptfs stuff is all built in.
[08:03] <infinity> hdon: It's possible the 12.04 tools in your chroot don't enjoy talking to the 14.04 kernel you're running, though.
[08:04] <hdon> ahh, quite possible infinity :)
[08:04]  * infinity knows very little about ecryptfs.
[08:04] <hdon> maybe i should ditch chroot and boot it in a full emulator
[08:04] <hdon> thanks for the advice infinity i will seek help elsewhere now
[18:48] <davmor2> cyphermox: test todays isos on the desktop the cd isn't being ejected, there is no announcement that is should be removed so when the system reboots it starts the cd booting again immediately oh and to add insult to injury on UEFI systems there is no boot from local drive option and you can't eject it in the menu :(
[19:03] <CarlFK> davmor2: there is a preseed option to disable that.  any chance you did that?
[19:43] <davmor2> CarlFK: no, oem desktop install from cd and then a vanilla install from cd on 64bit both fail to eject the cd both failed to give notice, the d-i via mini.iso on the other hand still pops up the installation complete remove install media and a reboot button
[19:51] <CarlFK> huh.  sounds like it got set somehow.  I can see it missing QA cuz everyone tests on VM
[19:55] <davmor2> CarlFK: I am in QA ;)
[19:55] <CarlFK> lol!
[19:55] <davmor2> CarlFK: this is a little pre testing for the final beta


[17:48] <nawaf> hello guys :) I am a begineer.  I want to install ubuntu on my android. but how can I install it???  anyone here for helping me out :)


[01:00] <aquarius__> er, help. My laptop is working, but something is very wrong with the disk. i can't write any files because the filesystem has been remounted as read-only
[01:01] <aquarius__> and dmesg shows a bunch of "journal commit I/O error"
[01:01] <aquarius__> and I am scared of, say, rebooting in case it's dead forever.
[01:02] <aquarius__> I have no idea what I should do at this point other than, y'know, panic :)
[01:02] <aquarius__> (it's running 12.10, and I haven't done anything exciting like install new kernels or anything)
[01:05] <aquarius__> dmesg output is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/1497806/ which shows many disc errors :(
[01:38] <bryce> aquarius__, funny, I just started having hdd I/O errors on my laptop myself last night
[01:39] <bryce> aquarius__, back up all your data ;-)
[01:39] <aquarius__> bryce: yeah. This is most worrying. The disc is an SSD and it's only a year old :)
[01:39] <aquarius__> should not be dying!
[01:39] <aquarius__> bryce: almost all of it already *is* backed up, which is the first time ever that I've felt semi-secure in this situation
[01:40] <aquarius__> hooray for deja-dup, u1, and launchpad, I say
[01:40] <bryce> aquarius__, huh, coincidentally mine too is a SSD I got within the last year.  Crucial 256G ssd to be specific.
[01:40] <aquarius__> what I don't know right now is: what should I do at this point? I mean: remount the disc read-write and see if it's OK? reboot? shut the machine down, touch nothing, and immediately buy a new disc?
[01:41] <bryce> aquarius__, I ran the SMART tools, but it didn't show any errors
[01:42] <aquarius__> bryce: ah. Is running them a good idea in my situation? I mean, I know very little about how to react when this sort of thing happens...
[01:42] <aquarius__> I assume I'll just get diagnostic info that I don't really understand how to interpret...
[01:43] <bryce> aquarius__, well, would help in identifying if the HW is faulty so you know to RMA it, vs. it being a software error I guess.
[01:44] <aquarius__> yeah. I am not looking forward to RMAing it, since it means I don't have a laptop for an indefinitely long period of time. Sigh.
[01:44] <bryce> aquarius__, well if the drive is bad, you're not going to be able to trust it with your data anyway
[01:45] <aquarius__> and just the process of wandering into pcworld (!) to report a problem means that they'll bang windows on the disc and lose everything on it even if it *is* just a software problem
[01:45] <aquarius__> although tbh I'll basically never trust the disc again, as you note
[01:45] <aquarius__> I think I am mostly annoyed at the universe for screwing me after a mere 12 months, and less than a month after the guarantee ran out, but hey ho.
[01:47] <aquarius__> of course, I don't have the smart tools installed, and can't install them because the fs is readonly, and booting a live image means rebooting, which might make things worse. Heh.
[01:48] <bryce> aquarius__, hmm, googling on your initial error message "ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0)" turns up some interesting results
[01:49] <aquarius__> ooh, good catch. reading now
[01:50] <aquarius__> I mean, I would be extremely pleased to learn that it was a software issue rather than a bad disc, for example :)
[01:50] <bryce> yeah me too
[01:51] <bryce> although I think my hw failure might be unrelated to yours since our symptoms differ; you're not seeing freezes, and mine didn't mount RO.
[01:52] <aquarius__> *nod*
[01:52] <aquarius__> no freeze here.
[01:52] <bryce> I'm swapping in a different ssd and going to see if it repro's with that.
[01:53] <aquarius__> heh. this is where I get punished for buying a not-very-user-serviceable ultrabook, I suspect.
[01:55] <aquarius__> the "SMART Data" in the Disks utility says everything's OK, heh.
[01:55] <bryce> aquarius__, yeah I got the same; no errors
[01:56] <aquarius__> but I have no idea whether this means that the disk is broken and doesn't know it, or the disk is fine and the kernel's had abit of a wobble, hence dropping in here to find someone who knows about disks :)
[01:56] <aquarius__> it being 2am utc on a Friday probably doesn't help with that, mind :)
[01:57] <bryce> aquarius__, looking at several different bug reports with theseEmask 0x0 failed command messages, common thread sounds to be that ssd drives run too fast and trip into one kernel issue or another
[01:58] <aquarius__> ah, that's a useful summary.
[01:58] <bryce> aquarius__, well I'm an X guy not a FS type so I ain't giving any advice on that count!  But I would think if the smart tools say everything's ok, then the drive might not be faulty.  If it were me, I'd reboot and see if it still comes up.
[01:58]  * aquarius__ grins
[01:58] <bryce> if bios fails to recognize the drive, at least you'd know and can plan the shopping trip ;-)
[01:58] <aquarius__> X is still quite a lot closer to the kernel than what I do, so I appreciate your thoughts ;)
[01:58]  * aquarius__ laughs
[01:59] <aquarius__> that'll cheer my daughter up when I smash tomorrow's plans and go drive shopping :)
[01:59] <bryce> ooh, check this out:
[01:59] <bryce> https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi/issues/24
[01:59] <bryce> exact same set of error messages that are in your log
[01:59] <aquarius__> so, in your self-avowedly not-as-well-informed-as-could-be opinion, rebooting is not likely to do anything permanently dreadful to the drive?
[02:00] <aquarius__> (I promise to not shout at you if you're wrong)
[02:00] <aquarius__> oooh, reading now
[02:00] <bryce> they're claiming it's a bad power cable issue
[02:01] <aquarius__> conclusion: bad power cables
[02:01] <aquarius__> which a fair few other people have said in other pages mentioning this: unplugging things and reseating the cables has helped
[02:01] <aquarius__> or maybe getting new cables
[02:02] <bryce> you mentioned the HD was new but how old is the machine itself?
[02:02] <aquarius__> same age
[02:02] <aquarius__> I bought the whole laptop 13 months ago
[02:02] <aquarius__> brand new
[02:02] <bryce> ah, well unlikely to be power supply old age
[02:02] <aquarius__> yeah
[02:03] <aquarius__> if it's a part which has gone faulty one month after the guarantee runs out, I will find someone from lenovo and then punch them
[02:03] <bryce> in my case though, the laptop is pretty long in the tooth so the PS could be bad.  guess I'll know soon enough.
[02:03] <bryce> aquarius__, heh, well you know they design it that way ;-)
[02:03]  * aquarius__ pastes the log of this chat into a text file on the server so it doesn't get lost ;)
[02:04] <aquarius__> ok. I think I might try rebooting
[02:04] <aquarius__> and then crying if the bios explodes :)
[02:04]  * bryce nods
[02:04] <aquarius__> thank you for the thoughts, pal
[02:04] <aquarius__> I owe you a pint
[02:04] <bryce> sure thing, and good luck
[02:04] <aquarius__> or possibly only half a pint if it dies ;-)
[02:05]  * aquarius__ crosses fingers. :)
[02:13] <aquarius> well. that's encouraging.
[02:13] <aquarius> bryce, seems to have come back up OK :)
[02:13] <aquarius> can I actually check the disk to see if it's broken? I don't think you can fsck a mounted drive, can you?
[02:16] <aquarius> ah, Disks has aSMART self-test thing.
[02:18] <bryce> yeah fsck should be done unmounted
[02:18] <aquarius> which i can't do 'cos I've only got one partition. I could do it from a live image, I suppose.
[02:18] <aquarius> ah, I can touch /forcefsck and reboot.
[02:19] <aquarius> cheers. This all seems semi-OK now; I think I shall go to bed and continue to investigate in the morning :)
[02:19] <aquarius> thanks, pal.
[02:19] <bryce> aquarius, good to hear
[02:20] <aquarius> fingers crossed. :)
[02:28] <infinity> bjf: Around?
[02:28] <infinity> bjf: I find it odd that all the Prepare tasks on 1095815 are Fix Released, but Promote isn't Confirmed.
[02:28] <infinity> bjf: Did your earlier argument with shankbot leave it limping?
[02:30] <infinity> bjf: (Or is promote-to-proposed incorrectly caught in the "not on weekends" check that should only be used for promote-to-{security,updates}?)
[02:30] <infinity> henrix_: ^
[04:04] <infinity> bjf / henrix_` : Oh, the bot seems to have caught up with reality.
[07:07] <bjf> infinity, i'm going to have to slap the bot around a little next week. i saw it doing some thing i didn't like.
[07:39] <infinity> bjf: Oh, thanks for the nick hilight, you reminded me to update that tracking bug. :P
[15:23] <spacejammin> hi
[19:02] <rmk> Hi all.  Noticed the quantal kernel is provided for precise.  Is it always the case that newer kernels are provided for an LTS release?
[19:02] <rmk> And how far forward does that generally go?  In other words, will there also be a raring kernel for precise at some point?
[20:12] <rmk> Does anyone know if passing panic=N on the kernel command line is any different than setting the panic value in /proc?
[20:15] <geofft> rmk: They're different. panic=N is used by initramfs-tools, if there's a userspace error condition in the initramfs
[20:16] <geofft> if it's set, it will sleep N seconds and reboot; if not it will spawn a shell.
[20:16] <geofft> This has nothing to do with kernel panics.
[20:16] <rmk> We're getting kernel panics and have set the the panic value in proc to 1.  However, it never reboots.
[20:16] <rmk> It says "rebooting in 1 second" and just sits there
[20:17] <geofft> It is possible that your kernel is bad at rebooting your hardware?
[20:18] <geofft> Or at least, is bad at rebooting your hardware, once a panic has happened?
[20:20] <rmk> It's certainly possible
[20:20] <rmk> This was using precise kernel 3.2.0-34
[20:21] <rmk> geofft: Don't suppose you know the answer to my previous question about kernel backports?
[20:24] <geofft> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel/35695 is the extent of what I know.
[20:35] <rmk> geofft: perfect thanks
[20:48] <rmk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Release/Rolling
[22:00] <penguin42> bug 1093572 seems to be a bug quite a few people are hitting in samba related stuff - I don't seem to be able to persuade any of them to actually post a full set of logs though; we have got 3 sets of oops though
[22:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1093572 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel Oops - BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at register_ftrace_event+0xa9/0x2b0 " [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1093572
[22:03] <penguin42> and comment #7 seems to be from a 3.7.0-7 as well - so it's not just old stuff


[08:56] <mvo> hey, I get import errors for the core18 github code import (https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/snap-core18/github). it saysAssertionError: Invalid sha for <Commit 9e3923f554968dc57e72dc5e0362010616c0b287>: f6761bb6d9ea518f7b476d4ed68147c44b12d7b8   - anything I can do to fix or workaround?
[09:07] <wgrant> mvo: Are you deliberately doing a git->bzr import rather than a git->git one?
[09:08] <mvo> wgrant: I did not find the knob to enable snap builds from a git repo, if you can point me to it I will be very happy and use git
[09:08] <mvo> I mean git->git
[09:09] <cjwatson> mvo: Go to the branch you want to build it from
[09:09] <cjwatson> It's there, rather than on the repo
[09:09] <mvo> oh, ok. let me try that
[09:09] <mvo> thank you!
[09:10] <cjwatson> (Once we have a semi-decent branch picker, I might add it to the repo as well to reduce confusion)
[09:12] <mvo> cjwatson, wgrant going to the right place seems to have helped, I have a create-snap-package link now. thanks for your help!
[09:12] <cjwatson> Cool
[09:13] <cjwatson> The git->bzr thing is surely a bug, but whether anyone will ever get to it ...
[09:13] <mvo> cjwatson: yeah, I don't care about this at all, I just want the snap to build :)
[09:15] <mvo> I will delete the bzr branch once sergio removed his test-snap build from it (right now I can't because there is a snap build depending on it)
[09:15] <mvo> would it be possible to get a slight increase of the default build score for core18 ?
[09:16] <cjwatson> We could, but is it needed?  The build queue is pretty empty apart from test rebuilds on ARM, so it should be dispatched quickly anyway
[09:25] <mvo> yeah, it seems to be fine. it initially told me 1h wait on amd64 but that was a bit on the pessimistic side it seems
[09:27] <cjwatson> I poked a few builders back into action, which will have helped
[09:27] <mvo> heh
[09:27] <mvo> ok
[09:27] <mvo> thank you!
[11:19] <gpiccoli> Hi folks! I'm experiencing some timeouts while comment in Launchpad - after reloading the page about 8 times, I managed to get my comment published. Quick look on Google showed me a LP bug about this: #1657292
[11:20] <gpiccoli> It shows as fix released...but I just experienced the issue. Does anybody know the root cause?
[11:20] <gpiccoli> Thanks in advance
[11:43] <cjwatson> gpiccoli: It's some strange periodic internal postgresql thing that we've never managed to track down
[11:44] <gpiccoli> interesting cjwatson...so do you know the reason LP #1657292 is marked as Fix Released?
[11:44] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1657292 in Launchpad itself "timeout error on launchpad" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1657292
[11:44] <gpiccoli> i mean...which fix?
[11:44] <cjwatson> gpiccoli: because some random person did that
[11:44] <gpiccoli> hahaha
[11:44] <gpiccoli> nifty!
[11:45] <cjwatson> like, the bug reporter closed their own bug
[11:45] <gpiccoli> Oh cool, and is it possible for me, after comment there, that no fix was released and the bug still happens?
[11:45] <cjwatson> of course it is
[11:45] <gpiccoli> cool, I'll do it =]
[11:45] <gpiccoli> tnx cjwatson
[11:45] <cjwatson> it's also useless :)
[11:46] <gpiccoli> oh...meaning noone will ever try to fix this ?
[11:46] <cjwatson> we know about it, but the best hope we have is to upgrade to a newer postgresql and hope that we get some more information that way
[11:46] <cjwatson> no, meaning that other people have already made the same comment
[11:46] <cjwatson> and there are other open bugs about the same thing
[11:47] <gpiccoli> really? I'll try to find some, worth to close the newer as dup of the older ones right?
[11:47] <gpiccoli> this one was my first google result
[11:48] <cjwatson> hmm, now I say that I can't find any
[11:49] <cjwatson> let me reopen this one and clean up the metadata to be vaguely useful
[11:49] <gpiccoli> Great cjwatson, thanks a lot
[11:53] <cjwatson> done
[12:01] <gpiccoli> tnx cjwatson
[15:30] <acheronuk> s390x builders need a poke?
[15:39] <cjwatson> acheronuk: I/O error trying to launch instances, won't be trivial to resolve, may take until tomorrow
[15:40] <acheronuk> cjwatson: ok. thanks for the info
[16:15] <ricotz> cjwatson, hi, are there issues with ppa uploads not working occasionally?
[16:16] <cjwatson> ricotz: You'll have to give examples
[16:17] <ricotz> cjwatson, trying to upload a larger package which takes 2 hours here which gets stuck at the end
[16:18] <ricotz> dput doesnt show an error, just gets stuck indefinitely
[16:19] <cjwatson> ricotz: We did hear of some problems with large uploads, not diagnosed yet.  It's worth trying whichever of SFTP or FTP you aren't currently using
[16:25] <ricotz> cjwatson, it is using ftp here
[16:25] <ricotz> using the default /etc/dput.cf
[16:32] <cjwatson> ricotz: OK, try SFTP instead as a workaround for the time being
[16:33] <ricotz> cjwatson, I see
[16:35] <ricotz> cjwatson, is this a recent problem or already randomly occurring in the past?
[16:37] <cjwatson> Somewhat recent as far as I can tell; I suspect it appeared when I upgraded txpkgupload to Twisted 16.5.0
[16:38] <cjwatson> Unfortunately I haven't had time to look into it yet
[16:38] <ricotz> alright, I was just hoping a retry could work, since the uploader machine doesn't have a registered ssh key
[16:39] <cjwatson> I'm afraid I don't know the exact conditions
[16:39] <cjwatson> You can certainly try ...
[16:42] <ricotz> ok, thanks
[16:55] <ricotz> cjwatson, the retry which was in progress worked out :)


[12:48] <Seveas> gnomefreak, err, I *just* cleaned it
[12:50] <effie_jayx> :D
[12:52] <gnomefreak> cant get to it :(
[12:53] <gnomefreak> this friggin thing is working on my nerves with everything from usb to wikis
[12:55] <gnomefreak> Seveas: much nicer ty
[12:58] <gnomefreak> how do you delete things from trash that wont delete. like . and .. there is also a file with a lock but when i cd into ~/.Trash   ls doesnt show it
[12:59] <gnomefreak> i keep getting rm cant remove . or ..
[12:59] <somerville32> ...
[12:59] <somerville32> You can't remove . or ..
[12:59] <somerville32> , would be the current directory
[12:59] <somerville32> *.
[12:59] <somerville32> and .. is the parent directory
[12:59] <somerville32> They aren't actually files
[12:59] <gnomefreak> ok what about the folder thats in htere
[01:00] <somerville32> gnomefreak: Might be a meta file or something
[01:00] <gnomefreak> ls -a doesnt list the folder
[01:00] <gnomefreak> its a USB files folder
[01:00] <gnomefreak> im giving someone this USB stick but i cant clean it off nor now can i clean my trash
[01:01] <somerville32> Are you using gnome?
[01:01] <gnomefreak> yep
[01:02] <gnomefreak> usb is mounted but it wont mount as root so i cant clean it off
[01:03] <somerville32> Yeah, doesn't gnome not actually delete the file but move it into .trash at the root of the device?
[01:03] <somerville32> (which really sucks for usb disks)
[01:04] <gnomefreak> cant get rid of it in trash either but ls doesnt show it and usb cant delete the files in that folder due to prmissions
[01:04] <gnomefreak> "/media/disk/....1.6.4-fx.jar" cannot be deleted because it is on a read-only disk. the file it does it for more than just that one
[01:05] <gnomefreak> i get that either trying to delete it off of ysb or from trash
[01:06] <gnomefreak> im in the usb but sudo wont delete anything because its a read only filesystem (how do i change that)
[01:06] <somerville32> You'd need to remount it as rw
[01:08] <gnomefreak> how?
[01:09] <somerville32> Why don't you sudo rm -rf * it? lol
[01:09] <gnomefreak> it wont work
[01:09] <somerville32> What is the error?
[01:09] <gnomefreak> i even tried sudo -i than cd into it
[01:09] <gnomefreak> rm: cannot remove `.Trash-gnomefreak//USB_Files/downloads/nautipolis_for_firefox-1.6.4-fx.jar': Read-only file system
[01:10] <gnomefreak> so on and so forth for each file in the folder
[01:10] <somerville32> Oh right
[01:10] <somerville32> ro filesystem
[01:10] <somerville32> umount it
[01:10] <somerville32> then mount it again with...
[01:12] <gnomefreak> its unmounted
[01:12] <somerville32> Ok, now mount it again
[01:12] <gnomefreak> i have a feeling sudo mount /dev/media/ isnt gonna work
[01:12] <somerville32> sudo mount /dev/media/sda1 might though
[01:12] <somerville32> lol
[01:13] <somerville32> Thats only if you have an fstab entry though
[01:13] <somerville32> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1
[01:13] <gnomefreak> nope
[01:13] <gnomefreak> /media/sda1 does not exist
[01:13] <gnomefreak> i have to screw with this later
[01:13] <somerville32> Are you using xchat?
[01:13] <gnomefreak> no
[04:38] <afraz_> Am I banned forever?
[04:41] <afraz_> Am I banned forever in #ubuntuofftopics for annoying some people in that room?
[04:42] <afraz_> Annoyed only one and asked for an apology afterwards.
[04:59] <afraz_> Can someone review by ban?
[05:15] <dabaR> man...ubotu used to know a bunch more stuff than he now does...
[05:16] <Hobbsee> dabaR: yes.  we took out the rubbish :P
[05:16] <dabaR> ha
[05:16] <dabaR>   !
[05:18] <dabaR> Hobbsee: you deleted maybe some of the links people created for themselves, and used as part of their conversation...
[05:18] <dabaR> or whoever did...
[05:18] <Hobbsee> well, we deleted all the offtoipc stuff
[05:18] <dabaR> I guess it was necessary
[05:34] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: all of it?
[05:34] <Amaranth> !love
[05:34] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[05:34] <Amaranth> phew
[05:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[05:37] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: well, most
[05:38] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: all at the time that we did a massive redo of the factoids, with the new bot
[05:38] <Hawkwind> And surely that one could stand to be deleted
[05:41] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: oh, 6 months ago
[05:41] <Amaranth> Hawkwind: no way
[05:41] <Amaranth> !-love
[05:41] <ubotu> love has no aliases - added by Amaranth on 2006-10-14 07:45:34
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: yeah
[05:41] <Amaranth> i also own !ping and !test
[05:41] <Hawkwind> Amaranth: Yeah, totally and completely use
[05:41] <Amaranth> although someone changed !ping
[05:41] <Amaranth> !ping
[05:41] <Hawkwind> s/use/useless
[05:42] <ubotu> 64 bytes from ubotu (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.33 ms
[05:42] <Amaranth> !test
[05:42] <Hobbsee> !ping is <reply> pong
[05:42] <ubotu> Failed.
[05:42] <ubotu> ping is already known
[05:42] <Hobbsee> !no ping is <reply> pong
[05:42] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[05:42] <Hobbsee> dunno why
[05:42] <Amaranth> "Failed" is !test's reply :P
[05:42] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:42] <Amaranth> Hawkwind: they don't all have to be useful
[05:42] <Amaranth> it's mat groening
[06:32] <mneptok> magnu, horse with golden mane, i want your help yet once again.
[06:32] <Madpilot> mneptok, you're either drunk & IRCing, or quoting song lyrics at random again
[06:33] <Madpilot> possibly all of the above?
[06:33] <mneptok> Madpilot: "Magnu" by (oddly) Hawkwind ;)
[06:34] <Hobbsee> hah
[06:34] <mneptok> and now, a fan that has been liquified and will soon be volcano ejecta
[06:35] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:00] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, would you be surprised if I pointed out that this is how mneptok behaves when sober?
[07:00] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, not terribly surprised, no. ;)
[07:00] <elkbuntu> im not sure i really want to encounter the drunk variety, and im pretty sure he was never drunk, so to speak, at UDS
[07:26] <mneptok> 1). i have an insanely high tolerance -and- 2). weirdness to mayhem is not a line i enjoy crossing often
[07:26] <mneptok> i do weird. mayhem tires me.
[07:26] <mneptok> :)
[07:35] <elkbuntu> heh
[12:10] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: herd 2 is still to early in the cycle; shall we only have the topic mention in +1?
[12:10] <gnomefreak> apokryphos: herd 2 is released
[12:10] <gnomefreak> they deamed it safe enough to release
[12:10] <apokryphos> I know, but it's still to early in the release cycle for new users
[12:11] <apokryphos> but it's still not a good idea for new users
[12:11] <gnomefreak> herd 1 is more broken than herd2
[12:11] <apokryphos> and yet still so early
[12:11] <gnomefreak> feisty alone is not good for a new user
[12:11] <apokryphos> right
[12:11] <gnomefreak> i just replaced the herd1 url to the herd 2 url
[12:11] <apokryphos> we can have it in the topic when they start recommending it for wide beta testing
[12:12] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: oh, it wasn't you that changed the #ubuntu topic?
[12:12] <apokryphos> I didn't get a chance to see
[12:12] <gnomefreak> i just changed herd 1 to herd 2
[12:12] <apokryphos> herd 1 was mentioned in the #ubuntu topic?
[12:12] <gnomefreak> you had put herd 1 url in the topic
[12:12] <apokryphos> nevermind, I'll take it out for now anyhow
[12:12] <gnomefreak> #ubuntu+1
[12:12] <apokryphos> nope, not me
[12:13] <apokryphos> I'm talking about #ubuntu :P
[12:13] <gnomefreak> i didnt put it there
[12:13] <gnomefreak> it shouldnt be there at all
[12:13] <apokryphos> exactly :P
[12:13] <apokryphos> ok, sorry, thought it was you
[12:14] <apokryphos> ah, it was mneptok in fact
[12:14] <mneptok> ;it was
[12:14] <apokryphos> mneptok: it's not suitable for new users yet
[12:14] <mneptok> Herd 2, though
[12:14] <gnomefreak> yeah i saw
[12:14] <apokryphos> Herd 2 is really really early
[12:14] <gnomefreak> mn #ubuntu+1
[12:14] <apokryphos> right
[12:14] <gnomefreak> its already in topic there
[12:15] <mneptok> apokryphos: depends on the user ;)
[12:15] <gnomefreak> #ubuntu == stable releases
[12:15] <apokryphos> I probably wouldn't recommend feisty to anyone that's *not* in #ubuntu+1 :P
[12:15] <gnomefreak> #ubuntu+1 == testing/devel/beta releases
[12:16] <mneptok> heh. hope Edgy wasn't /topi,ed as a stabse release *duck*
[12:16] <gnomefreak> !info seahorse edgy
[12:16] <ubotu> seahorse: A Gnome front end for GnuPG. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.5-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1560 kB, installed size 5528 kB
[12:16] <apokryphos> =)
[12:16] <gnomefreak> hm
[12:16] <gnomefreak> apokryphos: you on edgy?
[12:16] <gnomefreak> with backports enabled?
[12:16] <apokryphos> yeah, haven't tested feisty
[12:16] <apokryphos> but I'm not on edgy now
[12:22] <gnomefreak> i figured it out ty anyway
[04:31] <apokryphos> letting everyone auto-rejoin on /removes
[04:31] <jenda> that's what the ban is for, no? )
[04:32] <apokryphos> yeah, but /remove also had a use...
[04:37] <jenda> indeed :)
[05:11] <apokryphos> maxamillion: though you can also do it with no CDs, btw
[05:12] <apokryphos> or one mini-iso CD
[05:13] <maxamillion> apokryphos: lol ... uhmmm, your an ubuntu op?
[05:14] <apokryphos> yes =)
[05:15] <maxamillion> apokryphos: awesome, anyhoo ... they main reason I want to try suse 10.2 is i have read all over the net that it is the easiest to get the bcm4318 wifi card working and that's the card i have in the laptop i just got issued at work and i have tried every method i could find in the wiki, blogs, and the forums to get it to work under ubuntu and no luck
[05:15] <apokryphos> it's worth giving it a go
[05:16] <maxamillion> apokryphos: but the tutorial on running the net install cd on the suse website is less than explanitory
[05:16] <apokryphos> if you download it with metalinks you'll have a download that maxes out your connection, for sure
[05:16] <apokryphos> maxamillion: no DVD burner?
[05:17] <maxamillion> apokryphos: yes, dvd burner ... but i get about 2gb into the download and it times out ... tried it 3 times and gave up
[05:17] <apokryphos> maxamillion: use metalinks 8)
[05:17] <maxamillion> apokryphos: i'm at work right now so i can do a net install and just flood a connection here
[05:17] <apokryphos> should get around such problems; it handles multiple connections
[05:17] <maxamillion> apokryphos: metalinks?
[05:18] <apokryphos> maxamillion: /msg susehelp metalinks
[05:18] <maxamillion> rgr
[05:19] <apokryphos> maxamillion: a download is as simple as aria2c http://download.packages.ro/metalink/opensuse/openSUSE-10_2-GM-DVD-i386_iso.metalink
[05:19] <apokryphos> but perhaps we should take this to msg ;-)
[05:20] <maxamillion> so just run that command in terminal and it will download ... kinda like rsync?
[05:20] <apokryphos> not exactly. A metalink is a small data-file with information on all the mirrors etc
[05:20] <apokryphos> -> msg
[05:21] <maxamillion> rgr
[06:07] <DShepherd> help
[06:07] <DShepherd> I need help in rejoing the ubuntu channel
[06:07] <DShepherd> rejoining*
[06:07] <DShepherd> will anyone assist me?
[06:08] <Amaranth> why can't you join?
[06:08] <Amaranth> ah, dcc vuln
[06:08] <Amaranth> i can't help, sorry
[06:09] <Amaranth> apokryphos: ping?
[06:09] <DShepherd> I followed the instructions that was in the topic for ubuntu-read-topic
[06:09] <apokryphos> hi
[06:09] <apokryphos> DShepherd: ok, please join #dshepherd for a test
[06:10] <apokryphos> ok, good to go; will unban now
[06:10] <DShepherd> ok
[06:10] <DShepherd> apokryphos, let me know when I am good to go
[06:10] <apokryphos> go for it
[06:12] <DShepherd> thanks apokryphos and Amaranth
[06:12] <apokryphos> np
[06:16] <Amaranth> apokryphos: seveas' script does it
[06:16] <apokryphos> which would involve using xchat 8)
[06:16] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, regeya said: ubotu: no, humorless is when a person is completely lacking in a sense of humor, often lashing out when others attempt (occasionally with some success) to be funny
[06:17] <apokryphos> ubotu: bot > regeya
[06:17] <apokryphos> and I'm too lazy to implement IP-grabbing via /whowas for my scripts :P
[08:25] <mneptok> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw8sNoodIDk
[08:26] <apokryphos> ?
[08:27] <mneptok> best cover ever.
[10:04] <DBO> Seveas?
[10:04] <DBO> why the ban bud? =)
[10:05] <Seveas> abusing !ops
[10:05] <Seveas> that's only to be used in emergencies
[10:05] <DBO> ok Ill let him know
[10:05] <DBO> someone had asked to speak with an op
[10:05] <DBO> im letting him back in
[10:06] <DBO> hes generally been ok in there
[10:06] <DBO> I gave him a stern talking to
[10:06] <DBO> and sent him to bed without dinner
[10:16] <gnomefreak> what happened to the ops abuse fact?
[10:17] <DBO> !abuse
[10:17] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[10:17] <DBO> eh no idea
[10:17] <DBO> I think it should be !stfun00b
[10:18] <gnomefreak> he pmed me saw my away i assume and still called !ops. wasnt he a perm ban anyway?
[10:18] <DBO> who?
[10:19] <DBO> keeb?
[10:19] <gnomefreak> to eternal
[10:19] <gnomefreak> i thought that was Seveas perm ban
[10:19] <DBO> donno
[10:19] <DBO> maybe?
[10:21] <gnomefreak> at one point it seemed everytime he was unbanned he started crap iirc
[10:21] <DBO> ah the good ol days
[10:29] <gnomefreak> now i know it was  aperm ban eternaljoy is lifepositive
[10:35] <Amaranth> Seveas: Any chance I could get my cloak back?
[10:58] <Paedrigh> Is there a log that is accessible for today's conversations on this channel?
[10:58] <PriceChild> Paedrigh, there is...
[10:58] <mc44> !log
[10:58] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[10:59] <Paedrigh> thank you...
[11:06] <crazytales> Why is AfterDeath banned fromhere?
[11:09] <PriceChild> Hmm issues by Hobbsee... /me reads the log
[11:10] <somerville32> PriceChild: Hmm... whats up? :)
[11:10] <afraz> so carzy tale have you been also
[11:10] <PriceChild> somerville32, crazytales's thing earlier...
[11:10] <afraz> Some one tell me how long a ban period is?
[11:10] <PriceChild> afraz, depends on the ban...
[11:10] <afraz> Is it forever
[11:10] <somerville32> PriceChild: I haven't been here.
[11:10] <PriceChild> somerville32, <crazytales> Why is AfterDeath banned fromhere?
[11:10] <crazytales> Why is AfterDeath banned fromhere?
[11:11] <afraz> How long have I been banned?
[11:11] <somerville32> PriceChild: See bantracker
[11:11] <afraz> it was yesterday i annoyed and sad a bad word at the end
[11:11] <afraz> so whats the punishment
[11:11] <afraz> how long
[11:11] <afraz> ?????
[11:12] <PriceChild> afraz, S eveas banned you.... I would give it at least 24 hours... but what do i know
[11:12] <somerville32> afraz: 24 hour ban
[11:12] <afraz> is that it
[11:12] <afraz> one day
[11:12] <gnomefreak> afraz: thats the least normally
[11:12] <somerville32> afraz: When Seveas gets in, I'm sure he'll ban you then.
[11:12] <afraz> y
[11:13] <afraz> is it that bad for new users
[11:13] <PriceChild> afraz, "new"... that's not an excuse
[11:13] <afraz> i was logged on for 3 days
[11:14] <somerville32> afraz: I'll look into it for you. In the mean time, please review the Community Code of Conduct so that you don't make any mistakes again :)
[11:14] <afraz> thx
[11:14] <afraz> whats the link for code of conductd
[11:14] <mc44>  !coc
[11:14] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[11:19] <afraz> are you guys same people who send cds of the older version of ubuntu
[11:21] <somerville32> No
[11:23] <mc44> !shipit | afraz
[11:23] <ubotu> afraz: shipit is a service that sends free Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu CDs. See http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ and http://shipit.kubuntu.org and http://shipit.edubuntu.org - Shipit will not send Edgy (6.10) CDs, but only Dapper (6.06) CDs, as Dapper is a !LTS release.
[11:23] <afraz> mc44 what are you
[11:23] <afraz> a human or bot
[11:24] <mc44> I'm a hamster
[11:24] <crazytales> ubotu is the bot
[11:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is the bot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:25] <afraz> carzytale why are you here
[11:25] <crazytales> why not?
[11:25] <afraz> i mean because of ban
[11:25] <afraz> your ban too
[11:25] <crazytales> no, I'm not banned
[11:26] <afraz> is your friend banned
[11:27] <afraz> is every of these ops grads they do jobs
[11:28] <crazytales> well, I was wondering why afterdeath is banned from this channel
[11:28] <crazytales> he's not really my friend
[11:28] <crazytales> but he's a chanop in #wikipedia
[11:30] <afraz> does any one know what time i was banned
[11:31] <crazytales> today about 1am GMT
[11:31] <afraz> whats GMT
[11:31] <crazytales> [[GMT] ]
[11:31] <afraz> ok i have to go
[11:31] <crazytales> or 8pm eastern time
[11:32] <afraz> i will log back on 9 i guess or 10 i guess
[12:23] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, ToHellWithGA said: ubotu: ffs is <alias> noob
[12:26] <somerville32> !noob
[12:26] <ubotu> Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[12:26] <somerville32> !ffs is <alias> noob
[12:26] <ubotu> I'll remember that, somerville32