[08:11] <dandrader> tsdgeos, so what qt version will have that garbage collector fix? 5.3.2?
[08:13] <tsdgeos> dandrader: yep
[08:14] <tsdgeos> dandrader: note that we already have a less good but working behaviour
[08:14] <mhr3> tsdgeos, hey, do you know if there's an eta on the scoeps overview? we'll need to deploy changes to the server, so need at least some sync there
[08:14] <dandrader> tsdgeos, your patch, I know
[08:14] <tsdgeos> mhr3: eta as in when it will be ready or when it has to be ready?
[08:14] <mhr3> tsdgeos, eta on when will it appear in an image
[08:16] <tsdgeos> mhr3: someone needs to review it
[08:16] <tsdgeos> at least in my side noone has looked at the code
[08:16] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ↑↑↑↑
[08:23] <tsdgeos> mhr3: the merging of scopes-v3 is out of question?
[08:23] <mhr3> tsdgeos, still didn't get a silo
[08:23] <tsdgeos> seems we are traincon'ed or something
[08:23] <mhr3> probably cause of some other u8 branches
[08:24] <mhr3> or that
[08:29] <tsdgeos> dandrader: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/+bug/1349297 in case you're interested
[08:29] <tsdgeos> anyone knows where's Mirv?
[08:30] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ↑ ?
[09:33] <paulliu> tsdgeos: I've just pushed a fix to the attribute UI to fix the Reference Error on "Art, Summary". make xvfbtestCard successed now.
[09:33] <sil2100> Saviq: hi! So, many people noticed that on the latest images the power dialog appears a bit too frequently, sometimes not respecting the 3-second hold time
[09:34] <sil2100> Saviq: davmor2 is filling in a bug for that, and he marked it as a promotion blocker
[09:34] <sil2100> Saviq: the menu seems to appear sometimes after just unlocking the screen
[09:34] <sil2100> Saviq: could you have someone looking at that maybe? :)
[09:35] <Saviq> sil2100, yeah, we just talked about this, it's tricky to reproduce though
[09:35] <Saviq> sil2100, a bug would be nice
[09:36] <davmor2> Saviq: it'll come I have a few issues to file though I'll ping you with the bug number
[09:37] <Saviq> davmor2, thanks, we have an idea fortunately
[09:37] <tsdgeos> paulliu: ok
[09:45] <mzanetti> anyone up for a simple review? https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/launcher-new-count-emblem/+merge/226998
[09:47] <mzanetti> elopio: hey, I've prepared everything, please let me know when you're up/ready for the dash-as-app stuff
[09:53] <tsdgeos> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[09:53] <tsdgeos> tests/qmltests/CMakeFiles/xvfbtestDashContent.dir/build.make:52: recipe for target 'tests/qmltests/CMakeFiles/xvfbtestDashContent' failed
[09:53] <tsdgeos> not cool
[09:55]  * tsdgeos does the magic gdb while call to try to get a backtrace
[10:02] <dandrader> tsdgeos, do you think all this stuff is still valid with current qt? www.kdab.com/qml-engine-internals-part-3-binding-types/
[10:03] <tsdgeos> dandrader: not sure tbh
[10:03] <tsdgeos> seems on the verge of "is it written with the future v4 code in mind or still using old code"
[10:04] <tsdgeos> dandrader: thomas irc's frequently we can always ask him
[10:09] <tsdgeos> not very useful :/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/7883410/
[10:09] <tsdgeos> let's see valgrind
[10:39] <facundobatista> Hola!
[10:47] <Saviq> o/
[10:59] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: what's your opinion on my comment here? https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/showSearchOnSearchQueryChange/+merge/228454
[11:00] <mzanetti> not sure if we even should change it... just noticed it as being a little weird
[11:01] <mzanetti> maybe changing it would be even worse
[11:01] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: yeah, back is not really back but hide search
[11:01] <tsdgeos> agreed it is kind of a bit confusing
[11:02] <mzanetti> I mean, if you trigger search manually, the back button hiding it seems just fine
[11:02] <mzanetti> but if the search is triggered automatically, its a bit... huh?
[11:03] <tsdgeos> Saviq: if you have mike around can you ask him about it? it = "Search in apps scope, click on store card, end up in the store scope with the saerch already typed in (doesn't work now, i fixed that), problem now is that first back will hide serach and only next back goes back to original scope"
[11:07] <Saviq> tsdgeos, will do
[11:08] <Saviq> tsdgeos, actually
[11:09] <Saviq> tsdgeos, since we discussed "search is a separate scope page"
[11:09] <Saviq> tsdgeos, that'd solve that
[11:10] <tsdgeos> right
[11:10] <tsdgeos> but it all depends on when you do what
[11:10] <tsdgeos> i've already a branch to fix the "you end up in a scope with search but you can't see the search"
[11:10] <tsdgeos> while the other is a bit more of work
[11:14] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ↑
[11:16] <Saviq> tsdgeos, sure, so just ignore the oddity for now
[11:16] <tsdgeos> oki
[11:17] <Saviq> tsdgeos, btw added a task for you, pstolowski's favourite: "scope (scope:///) links should activate directly and not allow previews other than in dash overview All category [ui]"
[11:17] <tsdgeos> not sure i understand whta it means :D
[11:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, whenever we encounter a result with scope:/// uri
[11:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, we activagte it on tap and ignore long press (except for All in overview)
[11:20] <tsdgeos> ok
[11:20] <tsdgeos> do we have an example of where that is happening and should not?
[11:21] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: ↑
[11:21] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, one example, although for preview case only is 'Ubuntu store' result in Apps
[11:21] <mhr3> tsdgeos, remove the if (scope.id == "clickscope") hack and it will be everywhere :)
[11:21] <pstolowski> :D
[11:22] <tsdgeos> ok
[11:25] <Saviq> mhr3, yeah yeah, not so simple ;)
[11:26] <Saviq> tsdgeos, did we ever try longpress for preview in the overview anyway?
[11:26] <mhr3> i did
[11:26] <tsdgeos> it work-ish
[11:26] <tsdgeos> shows things
[11:26] <tsdgeos> :D
[11:26] <mhr3> doesn't work in favourites
[11:27] <mhr3> but that's by design iirc
[11:27] <tsdgeos> yeah i think i have code to ignore it
[11:39] <tsdgeos> paulliu: remove this "// TODO: we should get num of attributes from components" ?
[11:44] <cimi> http://www.moosoinc.com/Cimi-X8-Quad-Core-15GHz-Android-Tablet-Pad-PC-WIFI-16GB-_p_61.html
[11:58] <paulliu> tsdgeos: ok
[12:53] <Saviq> paulliu, http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qml-qtquick-keyevent.html#isAutoRepeat-prop
[13:23] <Saviq> paulliu, bug #1349416
[13:23] <Saviq> greyback, dandrader ↑
[13:44] <kgunn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1349362
[13:45] <kgunn> davmor2: ^ just to confirm, i heard from others, you can simply press cancel to continue, e.g. it doesn't freeze or become unusable ?
[13:47] <davmor2> kgunn: yes you can hit cancel, but it is ugly if you are trying to answer a call stop and alarm etc and it pops up which makes it a regression over the last image and user facing :)
[14:00] <davmor2> kgunn: Saviq asked me to test silo 006 and with that in place I can't reproduce the issue anyway but it could be related if there is an issue in spurious power button signals too
[14:01] <davmor2> kgunn: also I was told that blockers had to be high or critical, Only reason I marked it high is because you could hit cancel to get out of it, it just isn't pretty
[14:03] <kgunn> davmor2: ack...i think we should just change policy on blocker/critical...e.g. if its blocking how is it _not_ critical :-P
[14:04] <davmor2> kgunn: true I guess
[14:07] <Saviq> paulliu, bug #1349362
[14:39] <elopio> mzanetti: ping. I'm here. Is there a PPA to get it installed?
[14:40] <Saviq> elopio, silo 6 probably
[14:40] <Saviq> elopio, oh no, you mean dash as app?
[14:40] <Saviq> elopio, https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/phone-right-edge then
[14:40] <elopio> Saviq: yes, that.
[14:40] <elopio> thanks.
[14:42] <mzanetti> elopio: yes, that's the one
[14:49] <mzanetti> cimi: what emblems were you talking about in the standup?
[14:50] <cimi> mzanetti, card emblems
[14:50] <tsdgeos> Saviq: so for forcing the art shape size you want 'if ( scope.id == "clickscope" && categoryId != "store" ) {' or 'if ( scope.id == "clickscope" && categoryId == "bla" || categoryId  == 'lolo' ) {' ?
[14:50] <mzanetti> cimi: ah, great. Speaking of emblems, mind doing this one? https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/launcher-new-count-emblem/+merge/226998
[14:50] <mzanetti> cimi:  you might even copy code if design matches
[14:50] <cimi> mzanetti, approfittatore
[14:51] <Saviq> tsdgeos, the latter
[14:51] <Saviq> tsdgeos, explicit
[14:51] <mzanetti> cimi: :P
[14:51] <tsdgeos> ok
[14:51] <tsdgeos> need to find out the two names then .D
[14:52] <tsdgeos> "predefined" and "local"
[14:56] <Saviq> tsdgeos, sounds about right
[15:11] <tsdgeos> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/clickScopeForceArtShapeSize/+merge/228505 for the fixed art shape size
[15:14] <Saviq> tsdgeos, awesomes
[15:14]  * tsdgeos gets on the scopes preview activate thing
[15:17] <Saviq> tsdgeos, tx
[15:17] <mhr3> Saviq, tsdgeos, shouldn't the store icons be like that too?
[15:17] <Saviq> mhr3, no
[15:17] <Saviq> mhr3, they're full-width
[15:17] <mhr3> hmm, weird
[15:17] <Saviq> mhr3, and aspect ratio as defined by the scope
[15:17] <mhr3> but ok
[15:17] <Saviq> mhr3, per-design, too
[15:17] <Saviq> ↑
[15:17] <Saviq> look, he ran away
[15:17] <mhr3> typical
[15:17] <mhr3> :P
[16:22] <cimi> pete-woods, hey pete, what is the status of the infographics?
[16:26] <pete-woods> cimi: hi! basically I've done nothing to the libusermetrics codebase in maybe a month or two
[16:26] <pete-woods> not since I reworked the output API for you
[16:27] <cimi> pete-woods, did you test the unity branch?
[16:27] <pete-woods> it could do with a code review (I have a reviewer organised)
[16:27] <pete-woods> cimi: I did last time you asked, and it worked back then
[16:27] <pete-woods> cimi: the remaining item seems to be what to do when there's no data
[16:27] <pete-woods> and who should handle that
[16:28] <cimi> can you get your branch reviewed soon?
[16:28] <pete-woods> whichever of us does the "programming", I'd say a designer should make us a pretty svg
[16:28] <pete-woods> cimi: that's going to happen tomorrow morning
[16:28] <cimi> cool
[16:42] <mzanetti> elopio: hey
[16:42] <elopio> mzanetti: hello
[16:42] <mzanetti> elopio: I've change the location of the branch to https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/dash-as-app/+merge/228534
[16:42] <mzanetti> elopio: just to make sure other people can write to it when I'm on vacation
[16:43] <elopio> mzanetti: ok, thanks. I haven't finished my morning meetings, so I haven't touched it yet.
[16:43] <elopio> but I'll start soon.
[16:43] <mzanetti> elopio: cool. I'll be here tomorrow whole day still if you have questions
[16:44] <elopio> mzanetti: I'll send you an email before EOD.
[16:44] <mzanetti> cool
[16:44] <mzanetti> elopio: you can try pinging me in irc too
[16:44] <mzanetti> whatever is easier for you
[16:45] <elopio> ok
[17:13] <Saviq> mzanetti, btw instead of disapprove / reject you could have just resubmitted
[17:14] <mzanetti> Saviq: does that work for a different source branch too?
[17:15]  * mzanetti thought that only works different target branches
[17:20] <Saviq> mzanetti, nope, you can change the whole thing
[17:20] <mzanetti> ok. thanks for the hint. next time
[17:51] <Saviq> mterry, http://people.canonical.com/~msawicz/touch-meta.tar
[17:51] <Saviq> mterry, ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-006


[12:20] <kwwii> good morning all!
[12:20] <kwwii> well, afternoon is more like it
[12:21] <kwwii> at least here
[12:27] <nysosym> hi kwwii my friend, how are u? :)
[12:35] <kwwii> nysosym: doing well, and you?
[12:36] <nysosym> a little bit sleepy but, fine :)
[12:36] <nysosym> what are the results of your irish trip? :)
[12:37] <kwwii> actually, I was in Glasgow :-(
[12:37] <kwwii> it was the wrong weekend to go to Glasgow
[12:37] <nysosym> why?
[12:39] <kwwii> well, there was a bombing at the airport :-(
[12:40] <nysosym> ohhh O.o, sry i didn*t read such kind of news...
[12:41] <nysosym> a personal trip, or a trip for canoncial?
[12:43] <kwwii> it was a personal trip
[12:44] <kwwii> I attended akademy (the KDE conference)
[12:44] <nysosym> ohh well, that's horrible
[12:44] <kwwii> it certainly made travelling horrible
[12:46] <nysosym> sure, was the rest of the trip fine? :)
[12:46] <kwwii> yepp
[12:47] <kwwii> I wonder if anyone is still working on their own community theme for Gutsy
[12:49] <nysosym> hmm i can't, a lot to do with my private work and i didn't know, that anybody still working on a community theme
[12:50] <kwwii> troy_s was talking about starting one, and nothlit`alpha also I think - I wonder what the status is
[12:53] <nysosym> Sounds good, but work smooth, apples "new" desktop, isn't revolutionary and apple is imho sate of the art :D
[12:55] <nothlit`alpha> lol yeah concept etc, but no feedback on mockups or concept, let alone contributions, so without any input its not a community theme
[12:56] <nysosym> feedback? Show me, what u have :D
[12:58] <nysosym> On the other side i think, it's an community theme, when no one of the main company has any proportion on that theme.
[12:59] <nothlit`alpha> bah, people.fluxbuntu.or's httpd is down, joejaxx, ping?
[12:59] <kwwii> I'd like to encourage people to make their own themes, it shows that the ubuntu artwork community can actually get something done :-)
[01:00] <kwwii> I've entertained the idea that we could all work on some part of Gutsy artwork together
[01:00] <kwwii> but I am worried about starting something without any momentum behind it
[01:01] <nothlit`alpha> its all on the mailing list, the concept is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/CommunityTheme/Collaboration+Progress , old page @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/CommunityThem
[01:01] <nothlit`alpha> e
[01:02] <nothlit`alpha> if the httpd goes backup i'll link you my concept sketches and palettes
[01:03] <nothlit`alpha> kwwii: if you can get more momentum going than myself that would be incredibly great :)
[01:04] <nothlit`alpha> the first deadlines in august right?
[01:04] <kwwii> yepp
[01:04] <nysosym> wtf
[01:04] <nysosym> O.o
[01:05] <nysosym> and what we have is a color palette?
[01:05] <kwwii> also, I would like to find a couple of people to invite to the Gutsy+1 Ubuntu Developer Sprint in Boston this November
[01:05] <kwwii> nysosym: for a community theme you can use your own color palette
[01:05] <kwwii> there is no limits, really
[01:05] <kwwii> we just need someone to get something done that we can include on the CD
[01:05] <nysosym> kwwii: sure, but i speak about the official theme
[01:05] <nothlit`alpha> i thought it was a summit lol
[01:06] <kwwii> hehe, summit, sprint, I confuse them
[01:06] <lapo> hi
[01:06] <kwwii> hi lapo!
[01:06] <lapo> hey kwwii
[01:06] <nysosym> hi lapo
[01:06] <lapo> yo nysosym
[01:07] <nysosym> kwwii: and what are the limits for a theme, that we can include on the CD?
[01:07] <kwwii> nysosym: the only limit is that people have to like it somewhat :-)
[01:07] <nothlit`alpha> so how goes ubuntu mobile?
[01:08] <kwwii> if we can get a few of those in, I think it will go a long way to proving that we can work on the default artwork without worries
[01:08] <nysosym> kwwii: really? The theme could also have a complete new color palette?
[01:09] <kwwii> nysosym: yes, definitely
[01:09] <kwwii> nothlit`alpha: good, we are getting close now
[01:09] <nysosym> but would these match with the official ubuntu look? Everyone know ubuntu as a brown friendly system
[01:10] <nysosym> +warm
[01:10] <nothlit`alpha> just make sure its not radically different
[01:10] <nysosym> that's my question ;)
[01:10] <nothlit`alpha> well last release ubuntu was more orange? and it got more peachy this time around
[01:11] <nothlit`alpha> so theres definitely leeway, :P
[01:11] <nothlit`alpha> as long as you don't make it ice blue or all silver etc
[01:11] <nysosym> hehe
[01:11] <nysosym> Kubuntu like ;)
[01:12] <kwwii> because the community themes would not be default it is ok to make them any colors you want
[01:12] <nothlit`alpha> oh yeah lol :D
[01:12] <kwwii> suggesting and helping with the default artwork is much more defined
[01:13] <nysosym> kwwii: hmm i think at first we need a well formed official theme
[01:13] <kwwii> and yes, we will go away from the peachy colors
[01:13] <nothlit`alpha> but something along those lines would be a better demo for sabdfl?
[01:13] <kwwii> I think so
[01:13] <kwwii> it would prove what we can do
[01:13] <kwwii> and it gives the artist freedom to do whatever they want
[01:14] <nothlit`alpha> nysosym: you may also be interested in contributing to the ubun2 design project led by troy_s
[01:14] <kwwii> that is a very good idea
[01:15] <nysosym> kwwii: but the official human icon theme, has also "peachy" colors, what would happen with them?
[01:15] <nothlit`alpha> its not as much a community theme project as his vision but he definitely would value a few more skilled contributors
[01:15] <nothlit`alpha> those are made by the icon factory, and i don't know about peachy
[01:15] <kwwii> eventually we will have to do something about the human theme
[01:15] <kwwii> but to do so we would need to redo them all
[01:15] <kwwii> and convince SABDFL ;-)
[01:16] <nysosym> nothlit`alpha: have a look to the member list of ubun2design ;)
[01:16] <nothlit`alpha> sabdfl doesn't like the tango/tangerine, so atm we are still at those commisioned icons for official purposes
[01:16] <nothlit`alpha> nysosym: ahh lol sorry
[01:17] <nysosym> nothlit`alpha: but my time is very fluent...
[01:21] <lapo> I could redo all the human icons tango style in a pair of weeks (or a pair o full week ends), but you know no tango style allowed :-)
[01:37] <nysosym> for a long long time ago, i can still remember, i have made a Folder Concept, if anyone would have the svg source, only say one word :D
[01:37] <nysosym> http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmfotobf7.png
[01:53] <kwwii> lapo: I think that sabdfl wants an icon theme that is unique to ubuntu (not that he hates tango or anything)
[02:06] <andreasn> are you having that discussion _again_ ?
[02:07] <andreasn> :)
[02:18] <kwwii> hehe, believe me, sometimes it feels like a film
[02:20] <andreasn> are you at akademy now?
[02:21] <kwwii> nope, I am back at home already - didn't stay long this year
[02:22] <nysosym> kwwii: maybe you should create some standard phrases, with a little script like "\sabdfl_tango" :D
[02:22] <kwwii> nysosym: it might save time
[02:22] <kwwii> make the markbot
[02:22] <nysosym> hehe :D
[02:25] <nysosym> Nobody wanna have my icons? :D
[02:26] <kwwii> nysosym: it looks like a good idea but people seem to be leaning to less-comic-style icon these days
[02:27] <nysosym> :'( ok *hanging down*....
[02:27] <nysosym> hehe joke :D
[02:27] <kwwii> it doesn't mean you shouldn't pursue this, of course
[02:28] <kwwii> the first icon theme you make yourself is a great learning experience anyway
[02:29] <nysosym> yes, when i had some time, i will made some more. At moment, i must create some company logos...
[02:29] <nysosym> that's boring in all way :D
[02:29] <nysosym> and frustrating, change that, change that etc. :D
[02:30] <kwwii> exactly
[02:30] <nysosym> and at the end, she use my first creation...
[02:31] <nysosym> that's the funniest part of all ^^
[02:31] <andreasn> kwwii: anyway, did you have a good time while being at akademy?
[02:33] <kwwii> andreasn: to be honest, in my opinion, it was not as good as previous ones
[02:34] <andreasn> sorry to hear that
[02:34] <kwwii> but I did start making a tape icon
[02:34] <nysosym> :)
[02:34] <andreasn> always something :)
[02:34] <kwwii> well, I was only there for 2+ days, so maybe the rest of the week will be better
[02:34] <kwwii> the first two days were just talks
[02:34] <kwwii> maybe that is why I didn't like it
[02:35] <kwwii> the kde-games guys and the artists working with them did a great presentation
[02:35] <kwwii> they brought kde games out of the dark ages
[02:36] <nysosym> hehe, talks could be very sleepy :D
[02:37] <nysosym> a creative head will do something and didn't talk about it
[02:37] <kwwii> well, there are two few interesting talks for artists at a developer summit
[02:37] <kwwii> unless I give one :p
[02:37] <nysosym> :)
[02:38] <nysosym> is it possible to read some presentations?
[02:38] <kwwii> no idea, I guess that the website would be the place to look for that
[02:39] <andreasn> yeah, we're going to be a bit short on those on guadec as well, half-considered doing one, but I prefer shutting up and draw ;)
[02:39] <andreasn> nysosym: I think there was some kind of summarys on dot.kde.org
[02:48] <nysosym> kwwii: are u on that picture?
[02:48] <nysosym> http://static.kdenews.org/danimo/akademy07/group-photo.html
[02:48] <kwwii> nysosym: nope, i took it
[02:48] <nysosym> damn ^^
[02:48] <kwwii> although that picis using someone elses camera
[02:49] <kwwii> http://www.flickr.com/photos/kwwii/700250020/ is probably a bit better
[02:50] <nysosym> thx, much better :)
[02:50] <nysosym> don't get me wrong, but some of them looks really like a nerd :D
[02:52] <kwwii> the weather was horrible - it was really hard to get a decent shot
[02:52] <kwwii> lol, yeah...
[02:57] <nysosym> More Organised Community << well, a good and fundamental pont of sabdfl. Does he said, how we could solve this problem?
[02:57] <nysosym> *point
[02:58] <kwwii> it was more about development but yes he did touch on some points
[03:00] <nysosym> fine :), has anyone made some movies along the presentation?
[03:01] <kwwii> yes, but I have no idea where they are :-)
[03:03] <lapo> kwwii: put your oxygen hat on for a minute: do you plan to cover the naming specs with oxygen theme? there are a lot of holes atm
[03:04] <kwwii> lapo: yes we are trying
[03:05] <andreasn> http://git.jimmac.net/?theme=oxygen, seems actions are getting there
[03:05] <lapo> kwwii: sounds cool
[03:06] <nysosym> andreasn: wow what a nice summary, THX :)
[03:06] <andreasn> it's hammering the svn server like hell though :)
[03:07] <lapo> the hacking side of jimmac is cool eh :-)
[03:27] <lapo> nysosym: regarding jimmac script, if you're using firefox you can change the stylesheet to light (for..guess what? light bg :-))
[03:38] <nysosym> checked :D


[09:24] <Ubuntu-Anon> So like, I get kicked by elkbuntu a few minutes ago, and I think to myself "Whoa dude!"
[09:25] <elkbuntu> after the first ban in #ubuntu i would have thought you'd behave better. alas you didnt
[09:25] <Ubuntu-Anon> But I was being offtopic
[09:25] <Ubuntu-Anon> Oh wait...
[09:26] <elkbuntu> you were trolling
[09:26] <Ubuntu-Anon> Your definition of trolling are VERY loose
[09:26] <elkbuntu> the sexual harrassment regarding the CoC wasnt welcome
[09:27] <Ubuntu-Anon> What makes you think it was harassement?
 Damn, I was thinking about another CoC
 I bet nix_chix0r_ wants some CoC
[09:27] <Ubuntu-Anon> Read above
[09:28] <elkbuntu> you targetted someone with a feminine nick, and made sexual inferences
[09:28] <Ubuntu-Anon> I spoke to her in the previous channel as well as in private
[09:29] <Ubuntu-Anon> Its called a joke, take particular interest in developing a sense of humor, it may help understand why its used with the member of opposite sex
[09:29] <elkbuntu> regardless, it was a breach of the rules for the channel. we have youngsters who do not need to be corrupted
[09:29] <Ubuntu-Anon> There isnt corruption as the reference was made and not a direct statement
[09:30] <elkbuntu> kids are not dumb
[09:30] <Ubuntu-Anon> By you attributing me to _sexual_ harassement made it more of a corruption than allowing the joke to blend in with the rest of the chatter
[09:30] <Ubuntu-Anon> Exactly, they are not dumb
[09:30] <Ubuntu-Anon> And thus you think that the above statement would make any difference in comparison to what the internet, tv, magazines, media, etc involves?
[09:30] <elkbuntu> they will 'get' your joke, and that is a breach of the rule of being 'family friendly
[09:30] <Ubuntu-Anon> Thats like asking to put the gun away in times of the war to "not teach kids about guns"
[09:31] <elkbuntu> we have no control over those, but we have control over the channel
[09:31] <Ubuntu-Anon> I doubt they will think its family friendly where anyone gets kicked for some obsene made up ideology, don't you agree?
[09:31] <elkbuntu> we do not like your type of humor in there, and it will not be tolerated
[09:31] <Ubuntu-Anon> Now you are starting to sound defensive only because you are agreeing that I'm right
[09:32] <elkbuntu> you're not right. you trolled two channels, and made non-family-friendly inferences
[09:32] <elkbuntu> you are not welcome
[09:32] <nalioth> Ubuntu-Anon: chalk it up to whatever ideology you like, we don't like it here on this network.
[09:32] <Ubuntu-Anon> I doubt the conversation involved you, but sure do please your ego and butt in
[09:33] <elkbuntu> have a good life, Ubuntu-Anon
[09:33] <Ubuntu-Anon> elkbuntu: Same to you
[09:33] <elkbuntu> oh, i dont think you get it. we wont be talking anymore. you just gave cheek to a staffer
[09:38] <Ubuntu-Anon> I thought we're done talking elkbuntu, perhaps I did misunderstand.
[09:39] <elkbuntu> heh... try your luck if you wish
[09:39] <Ubuntu-Anon> What else are you hoping to lecture me about elkbuntu?
[09:40] <nalioth> Ubuntu-Anon: elkbuntu runs a crap client, if you'd like to get rid of him, type /quit elkbuntu
[09:40] <Ubuntu-Anon> I hope its relating to Ubuntu as you've mastered discussing all but that
[09:40] <Ubuntu-Anon> nalioth: Fantastic! Let me do so right now
[09:40] <Ubuntu-Anon> bash: /quit: No such file or directory
[09:40] <Ubuntu-Anon> Aww I think its broken
[09:41] <nalioth> your cognitive function?
[09:41] <elkbuntu> nalioth, i told you he wouldnt get it
[09:41] <elkbuntu> you know... the lacking of certain organ function and all
[09:42] <Ubuntu-Anon> elkbuntu: Who's ego are you stroking now, your own or nalioth?
[09:43] <elkbuntu> who says im stroking anything?
[09:44] <Ubuntu-Anon> Yet you talk about me misinterpreting things :)
[09:44] <Ubuntu-Anon> I'll leave you to your job of enforcing the IRC drama off at this point
[09:45] <Ubuntu-Anon> Please continue on with supporting your IRC reputation after I leave as that would be the best time to do so
[09:45] <Ubuntu-Anon> nalioth: Cheers to you and "your network"
[05:26] <COLA> Hi, I want that my normal user have root rights..is there a possibilyti , that I have root rights with my normal user, but not in a shell, because I want to copy per drag and drop files in my root directory
[05:28] <finalbeta> COLA: you should be in #ubuntu to ask questions, and your root user should just make that directory writable for the other users. Not give the other user root rights.
[05:30] <COLA> thx^^
[11:03] <wick2o> hello


[06:35] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[07:56] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[07:58] <lunadebian> morning


[10:20] <Kenzo> hello. does anyone know how to get channel 4 and 5 working. i can't stream any videos on their sites
[11:39] <Kenzo> no one around?
[11:44] <Astro7467> @Kenzo: no one around that understands or is knowledgeable in your question
[11:45] <Astro7467> if you have a specific MATE question, then clarify, if you are looking for generic help you will have better luck on the forums or relevant channels
[11:45] <sunweaver> flexiondotorg: any progress on this? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/indicator-session/mate-integration/+merge/325600
[17:41] <caleb_> hello!!
[17:43] <DarkPsydeLord> hello


[09:40] <lordievader> Good morning.
[21:41] <teward> sarnold: evil is evil.
[21:41] <teward> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1663937 is relevant to why this comment was made)
[21:50] <Village> how install older mysql version to Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS ?
[21:57] <OerHeks> Village, not i guess, besides you might break something too.
[21:59] <Village> What you mean, i faced with problem " nMySQL::cQuery - Error in query ~SHOW COLUMNS FROM SetupList~ " and i think need older version that it's works, because something wrong, i have one idea try with older mysql
[21:59] <Village> ?
[21:59] <Village> i can remove 5.7 version, but how install older from apt-get install
[22:02] <maxb> You can't. A distribution is a set of software versions that have been tested to some degree as working together. The counterpart to that is you don't get a free choice of versions of anything whilst relying solely on the distribution's packages
[22:02] <OerHeks> Village, again; not. 5.7 is the only version available
[22:03] <Village> understand from Ubuntu source, one way download upload and install package from teminal uploaded
[22:04] <Village> something wrong i think, but no ideas what
[22:05] <maxb> Village: I'm sorry, what you just said did not make any sense. You might be better off looking for an IRC channel where you can ask about Ubuntu in your native language.
[22:06] <OerHeks> if you want to build yourself, go ahaead, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/mysql-5.7 but i am not sure it will work properly ( besides vulnerabilities )
[22:06] <OerHeks> focus on your error, and fix that
[22:08] <Village> Ok, now i don't in mood fix it and look variables who can be wrong
[22:08] <Village> All good thanks guys, until
[22:37] <van777> hey! i'd like to share an app  to get notifications from the server. Just installed it and it works great. I've been using  PUSHBULLET for some years, but it's the first time the cli interface for the server..  Here you go https://github.com/GustavoKatel/pushbullet-cli
[22:51] <drab> anybody happens to be familiar with ipset and can explain the difference between hash and bitmap and when you'd want to use which?
[23:35] <jancoow> HI . I just ahd a harddrive failure (ugh) so need to reinstall everything
[23:35] <jancoow> however
[23:36] <jancoow> I just installed 16.04.1 LTS but systemctl doesn't exist anymore 0.o
[23:37] <jancoow> while on my last 16.04 install systemctl was still there


[09:03] <VOX_> i love open source
[09:04] <VOX_> :3
[16:04] <xu-help91w> Aslam alukom
[16:05] <xu-help91w> Does any body knows how to install xubuntu without losing the data on the drive?


[00:34] <mhall119> balloons: he was complimenting my interview with him
[01:17] <cjohnston> lol
[01:26] <pleia2> when does UDS registration open? (the https://forms.canonical.com/udsreg/ says February 24th, so I'm starting to get emails asking me :))
[01:27] <mhall119> jono: ^^
[01:27] <bkerensa> inquiring minds want to know
[01:35] <jono> pleia2, I am not sure, will check with Marianna
[01:38] <cjohnston> the other question that ive seen is when will sponsorship responses be sent out
[01:42] <Pendulum> cjohnston: that's the Ubuntu community's version of "are we there yet?"
[01:42] <cjohnston> Pendulum: yup
[01:52] <bkerensa> jono is the man with the answers
[01:53] <jono> cjohnston, they will be sent out when they are ready
[01:53] <jono> :-)
[01:53] <jono> patience... :-)
[02:22] <bkerensa> mhall119: The SUMO instance is failwhaling
[02:22] <bkerensa> ;)
[02:33] <mhall119> bkerensa: it's debug-whaling
[02:33] <mhall119> trying to figure out why it doesn't like my apache setup
[02:34] <bkerensa> mhall119: Make your setup more ninja like
[02:34] <bkerensa> mhall119: What language is SUMO and what kind of db?
[02:34] <mhall119> bkerensa: you can test it running in just django at http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000/
[02:35] <mhall119> bkerensa: python/django/mysql
[02:36] <bkerensa> mhall119: Why no PHP/MySQL? :D
[02:36] <mhall119> bkerensa: since I don't have email configured, I'll have to activate your account after you register
[02:36] <mhall119> bkerensa: because PHP make baby Jesus cry
[02:36] <bkerensa> PHP never do no such thing... PHP make baby jesus propser
[02:36] <bkerensa> prosper*
[02:37] <bkerensa> unless I do typos like that in my code and fail whale something :)
[02:38] <mhall119> bkerensa: have you ever done any python/django?
[02:38] <bkerensa> mhall119: Not yet... I'm learning python now but progress is slow since I have very little time to read... Contributing to Ubuntu and all :P
[02:39] <mhall119> bkerensa: trust me, after you make your first python/django site, you won't say nice things about PHP anymore either :)
[02:39] <bkerensa> heh
[02:39] <bkerensa> mhall119: Facebook uses PHP + HipHop
[02:39] <bkerensa> :dc
[02:40] <mhall119> and I'm sure their devs curse it every day
[02:41] <cjohnston> django == really good stuffs
[02:59] <jono> mhall119, cjohnston any guidance you can offer on how to determine the accomplishments on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Trophies/Scripts ?
[03:07] <cjohnston> jono:  for uds it depends on the definition of activity participated... for running a session, the different fields of a bp are available (approver, drafter, assignee), what is meant by run a track? track lead?
[03:10] <pangolin> where do we report comment spam in a bug on LP?
[03:10] <pleia2> pangolin: I was going to ask the same thing, but then I forgot (some on a lernid bug, boo)
[03:10] <pangolin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/150721/comments/20 this is what i am talking about
[03:10] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 150721 in metacity ".xsession-errors: 'Failed to read saved session file'" [Critical,Fix released]
[03:11] <jono> cjohnston, yeah, so I am thinking one accom could be actively participating UDS in the sense of visiting the event
[03:11] <jono> another could be running a session
[03:11] <pangolin> it's an old bug...hmm probably not worth the trouble
[03:11] <jono> still very much brainstorming here
[03:15] <cjohnston> pangolin: iirc file a question against the launchpad project
[03:15] <cjohnston> jono: there is remote/physical attending of a sprint in LP
[03:16] <jono> cjohnston, would you be able to recommend some launchpadlib code on that wiki page to help me get started?
[03:17] <cjohnston> jono:  the running a session im not sure about.. we dont track that per se
[03:17] <cjohnston> jono: id have to research it.. Im not much familiar with lplib
[03:18] <jono> cjohnston, if you get the time to do that, that would be awesome
[03:19] <cjohnston> k
[03:19] <cjohnston> anyone see the nascar fire?
[03:20] <cjohnston> jono: if you can think of anything for determining running a session, let me know
[03:20] <pangolin> lolnascar
[03:20] <jono> cjohnston, many thanks, pal!
[03:20] <cjohnston> yup
[03:20] <jono> cjohnston, also, maybe some scripts on that page could query l.u.c ?
[03:20] <jono> cjohnston, such as checking if someone has run an event
[03:21] <cjohnston> jono:  there is an api
[03:21] <jono> cjohnston, if you could offer any suggested code framents for that, that would be cool too
[03:21] <jono> I just need enough to get started
[03:21] <cjohnston> pangolin: I doing watch it.. but there was a jet fuel fire
[03:22] <cjohnston> k
[03:30] <jono> mhall119, is your site down?
[05:52] <jono> daker you there?
[07:32] <czajkowski> morning
[07:34] <dholbach> good morning
[07:38] <nigelb> Morning czajkowski, dholbach
[07:41] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[07:42] <nigelb> I'm still sleepy and its 1 pm already.
[08:03] <dpm> good morning all
[08:04] <benonsoftware> Hello dpm and how are you?
[08:04] <dpm> hey benonsoftware, very well, thanks, how about you?
[08:05] <benonsoftware> I'm alright today
[08:06] <dpm> good good :)
[10:30] <s-fox> Hello =)
[11:22] <s-fox> czajkowski,  Thank you for changing the bug status's back
[11:22] <daker> dpm, https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/ubuntudeveloperportal/fix.942113/+merge/94874/comments/204887
[11:23] <czajkowski> s-fox: there are a lot to do :/
[11:23] <s-fox> About 15 or so I think.
[11:24] <dpm> daker, ah, let me recheck, I thought I had fixed that commit, but perhaps my branch is not yet in trunk, just a sec...
[11:25] <czajkowski> s-fox: though to be fair some of them should be closed by now tbh, as they have been confirmed of fix committed or still new, sould tbh could do with some spring cleaning
[11:26] <czajkowski> s-fox: and some I cannot change back now either
[11:26] <czajkowski> s-fox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuforums.org/+bug/410858  should be closed by now
[11:26] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 410858 in ubuntuforums.org "Ubuntuforums.org is currently down." [Undecided,New]
[11:27] <s-fox> I thought bugs get auto marked "won't fix" after a set period anyway
[11:27] <s-fox> @ czajkowski
[11:27] <meetingology> s-fox: Error: "czajkowski" is not a valid command.
[11:28] <popey> @ alanbell should probably fix this
[11:28] <meetingology> popey: Error: "alanbell" is not a valid command.
[11:28] <popey> ☺
[11:29] <s-fox> Plus I expect when Canonical finally upgrade the forum software to 4.x half of the bugs filed will be invalid
[11:29] <czajkowski> s-fox: not sur ebut that doesnt mean teams //projects can do their own spring cleaning either :)
[11:30] <dpm> daker, fixed and added a comment. Would you mind pulling from trunk, applying the changes and resubmitting?
[11:31] <s-fox> czajkowski,  Yes on some of the bugs. On some canonical are the ones who have control to apply any fixes. For example I saw one about the forum not complying to xhtml standards :)
[11:32] <czajkowski> s-fox: as I said not all but some
[11:32] <s-fox> Anywho, thank you for updating the status's
[11:37]  * AlanBell adds a note to implement the AlanBell command
[11:37] <daker> dpm, ok
[11:37] <dpm> cool, thanks daker!
[11:37] <AlanBell> I did implement an @Pendulum command some time ago as a joke
[11:38] <s-fox> czajkowski,  Just noticed that the bug supervisor is Joeb454, I will update it to a forum council member :) It will help keep on top of the new bugs
[11:38] <czajkowski> true
[11:38] <czajkowski> s-fox: and old bugs :)
[11:38] <s-fox> Oh will it? Great/
[11:39] <czajkowski> s-fox: no just reminding you to look at old baugs not just new bugs :)
[11:41] <s-fox> Going through all 11 of them, lol
[11:52] <s-fox> Oh wow, I aquired karma haha
[11:59] <s-fox> Once a bug has had a fix commited how does one mark it as closed? It is still listed in "open bugs"
[12:22] <daker> dpm, done
[12:22] <dpm> daker, yeah, I've merged your fix too :)
[12:22]  * dpm hugs daker
[12:22] <daker> oh good
[12:24] <dpm> daker, if you spot anything else on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/ you'd be interested in looking at, or if you notice any other bug while using the site, now you know how to fix them :)
[12:26] <daker> ok
[12:55] <mhall119> morning
[13:02] <dpm> hey mhall119, good morning!
[13:08]  * dholbach → off to the dentist
[13:34] <dpm> dholbach, ouch, I hope it's not too bad
[13:34]  * dpm goes for late lunch
[14:58] <jcastro> czajkowski: hah, I have those 2 angry birds too
[14:58] <jcastro> mine are the bigger ones
[14:58] <czajkowski> jcastro: gret for throwing at people! :)
[14:58] <czajkowski> *great
[15:01] <alourie> good day
[15:24] <dholbach> dpm, it took a bit longer than expected, but it's alright
[15:25] <dholbach> the root canal massacre is over
[15:26] <dpm> ouch, that does not sound "alright" to me
[15:27] <dpm> but glad it went well
[15:27] <czajkowski> dpm: ouchiess
[15:27] <czajkowski> dilikes dentists
[15:54] <akgraner> dholbach, that was quick!
[15:54] <dholbach> akgraner, eh?
[15:54] <akgraner> your root canal
[15:55] <dholbach> hum, I thought it took long enough - and it wasn't the treatment I expected today, but it's alright - at least right now there's no pain involved :)
[15:55] <akgraner> last time I had one I was at the dentist for 5 hours...and was not saying "it's alright" afterward.
[15:55] <dholbach> akgraner, wow
[15:56] <akgraner> lucky you :-)
[15:56] <dholbach> :)
[15:57] <jono> hey all
[15:57] <jono> dholbach, dpm, jcastro, balloons, mhall119 meeting in 3m
[15:57] <jcastro> I am ready
[15:57] <jcastro> and prewritten
[15:57] <jcastro> and all set
[15:57] <dholbach> yep
[15:57] <jono> ;-)
[15:57] <dpm> morning jono, all set
[15:58] <dholbach> jcastro, hangout, right?
[15:58] <jono> dholbach, you are joking, right :-)
[15:58] <jcastro> indeed
[15:58] <balloons> ayay
[15:58] <balloons> hangout
[15:58]  * dholbach hugs jono
[15:58] <jono> :-)
[15:58] <balloons> what? this has to be irc day
[15:58] <jcastro> hahaha
[15:58] <jcastro> man, awesome
[15:58] <jono> for the 30th time, this is IRC day
[15:58] <jono> lol
[16:00] <jono> everyone, team meeting in a minute for those who want to ask questions
[16:01] <jono> #startmeeting
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[16:01] <jono> alrighty, folks!
[16:01] <jono> welcome to the weekly Canonical Community Team meeting!@
[16:01] <jono> we will run through some status updates and everyone is welcome to ask questions
[16:02] <jono> lets kick off with...the man that other men want to be...mhall!
[16:02] <jono> mhall119, you are up :-)
[16:02] <mhall119> oh, how did I get to be first?
[16:02] <mhall119> ok, here we go
[16:03] <mhall119> * Reached out again to Asian LoCo teams, up to 5 regional events now (up from zero last cycle, and 2 a year ago)
[16:03] <jono> wha wha
[16:03] <jono> lol
[16:03] <mhall119> it looks like we're doing better in Asia, Oceana and Africa
[16:03] <mhall119> it's Europe and the Americas that are slacking
[16:03] <mhall119> * Finished unity-lens template for Quickly, based on Singlet
[16:04] <mhall119> didrocks is reviewing and giving me changes to make as we speak
[16:04] <mhall119> * Blogged about adding Unity Quicklists to applications (15 submissions so far)
[16:05] <mhall119> I had a *lot* of great community involvement around that, but I need to keep following up with them to make sure they all get to where they need to be
[16:05] <mhall119> * Blogged about upstreaming Quicklist submissions
[16:05] <mhall119> ^^ like that
[16:05] <mhall119> * Worked with the ARB to finalize rules for getting Unity Lenses and Scopes into Software Center (first attempt using the new process this week)
[16:06] <mhall119> we should hopefully start seeing a lot more lenses and scopes available in the software center now that this process has been agreed upon
[16:06] <mhall119> davidcalle is starting it off by submitting his graphic design lens and scopes
[16:06] <jono> :-)
[16:06] <mhall119> * Recreated Mozilla SUMO instance for ubuntu-docs team testing
[16:06] <mhall119> and fixed the apache+wsgi bug so that users can actually login now
[16:07] <mhall119> (still need to configure it for sending email)
[16:07] <mhall119> * Interviewed and blogged about Oregon team's jams
[16:07] <mhall119> bkerensa is rocking the west-coast
[16:07] <mhall119> * Interviewed and blogged about Florida team's jams
[16:07] <mhall119> cjohnston is rocking the east-coast :)
[16:07] <mhall119> * Blogged about adding Unity searchable keyworkds to applications
[16:08] <mhall119> this was a specific request from the DX team, and I'm hoping to get as much excitement around it as we had around quicklists
[16:08] <mhall119> * Worked with dpm on cleaning up and moving Unity documentation to developer.u.c
[16:08] <mhall119> (much more cleanup to be done)
[16:08]  * dpm high-fives mhall119
[16:08] <mhall119> * Fixed permissions issues on summit that were preventing people from voting on sponsorships
[16:08]  * mhall119 is done
[16:08] <dholbach> mhall119, will we have to reject some of the quick list contributions for the 12.04 time-frame? there was a question about the current contributions in the sponsoring queue in a discussion on ubuntu-devel@ - should they be ignored for now?
[16:08] <jcastro> how's sumo look? Is it awesome?
[16:09] <jcastro> like, do you think it's going to be good for us? Or we still just evaluating?
[16:09] <mhall119> dholbach: yes, Universe packages will not get these quicklist submissions for 12.04
[16:09] <jono> jcastro, it looks like it *could* be good
[16:09] <jono> offers a useful foundation
[16:09] <dholbach> mhall119, so those merge proposals should be rejected? everything else can go in?
[16:09] <mhall119> jcastro: it has a lot of potential
[16:09]  * jcastro nods
[16:09] <mhall119> dholbach: I think that was the desktop team's position, yes
[16:10] <jono> dholbach, we need a wider discussion re. translations and universe
[16:10] <jono> mhall119, can you sync up dholbach and dpm on this and see if we can find a solution?
[16:10] <mhall119> dholbach: we're getting updated specs for making quicklists anyway, so I'll go back to all the contributors with those changes too
[16:10] <ahayzen> jono: There is a typo on your latest blog entry ...'rythmnbox' should read 'rhythmbox'
[16:10] <jono> thanks ahayzen
[16:10] <dholbach> ok, I'll have a chat with seb128 again - I don't want sponsors to feel "there are submissions I should not look at"
[16:10] <mhall119> jono: sure
[16:10] <jono> mhall119, thanks
[16:10] <dholbach> so the earlier we make a decision the better
[16:10] <ahayzen> jono: Anytime :)
[16:10] <jono> :-)
[16:10] <jono> alrighty
[16:10] <mhall119> dholbach: how about you and I chat with him after the meeting
[16:11] <jono> next up....
[16:11] <dholbach> sure
[16:11] <dholbach> thanks mhall119
[16:11] <mhall119> np
[16:11] <jono> ...a man familiar with the art of rhythm...the rhythm of love...dholbach!
[16:11] <jcastro> deadmou5!
[16:11] <jono> lol
[16:11] <dpm> hahaha
[16:11] <dholbach> jono, I don't hear that the first time
[16:11] <mhall119> lol
[16:11] <dholbach> anyway....
[16:12] <dholbach>  - Dev initiatives: formed Fix It Friday team, planned the event, announced it, blogged about its success.
[16:12] <jono> :-)
[16:12] <dholbach>  - Dev Advisory Team: more planning with huats, mailed a lot of contributors, followed up with a number of them. Working on a number of automated check-lists for the d-a-t.
[16:12] <dholbach>  - Uploads Data: some minor fixes.
[16:12] <dholbach>  - Dev News: got out another issue, interviewed bkerensa.
[16:12] <dholbach>  - Sponsoring: did my patch pilot shift. Helped integrate a change into Sponsoring Overview (http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/) to visualise age of submission - thanks Andrew Starr-Bochicchio and Benjamin Drung. Send reminders about patch piloting. Discussions about improving sponsoring.
[16:12] <mhall119> man, everyone is interviewing bkerensa
[16:12] <dholbach>  - Dev Docs: some updates to Packaging Guide: finally use the same branding, couple of other fixes. Thanks Andrew Starr-Bochicchio and Alexander Fougner.
[16:13] <dholbach>  - UGJ: mailed the Egyptian team about their missing venue - sorted out and I was excited to learn they are having a Packaging Jam!
[16:13] <dholbach>  - GSoC: some discussion about the organisation. Application time-frame started yesterday - not sure how well things stand for us.
[16:13] <dholbach>  - Discussed backports process with dpm.
[16:13] <dholbach>  - Fixed checkbox-beta1 packaging with balloons.
[16:13] <dholbach> Done. :)
[16:14] <mhall119> dholbach: did you talk to the LC about making Fix It Friday a global event on loco.u.c?
[16:14] <dholbach> mhall119, no, in the end I decided to not do it - it doesn't make too much sense - it's a virtual event in one place (IRC)
[16:16] <mhall119> it still might give it more exposure and get loco-teams talking about it among themselves
[16:16] <mhall119> loco.u.c supports virtual (online/irc) events at any rate
[16:16] <dholbach> it's a possibility - I think'll about it
[16:17] <jono> any further questions?
[16:17] <jono> alrighty!
[16:17] <jono> next up...
[16:18] <jono> ...a man so cool he even looks cool in Metallica pajamas...believe it or not....jcastro!
[16:18] <jcastro> ALRIGHT!
[16:18] <jcastro> ## Jorge's Weekly Report
[16:18] <jcastro> This report is best consumed with this [background music](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfAtqCTs39A):
[16:18] <jcastro> whoops, drop the ): on that, sorry
[16:18] <jcastro> ### Juju
[16:18] <jcastro>  - Kicked off the [juju charm school contest](http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2012/02/juju-charm-contest-help-bring-free-software-into-the-cloud/) We're giving away Amazon gift cards so tell a friend, or submit something awesome.
[16:19] <jcastro>  - 3 new incoming community charms in review, LodgeIt (a cool python pastebin) and Stack Mobile (run your own mobile interface for stackoverflow. Not anything other people would use, but the guy runs the service and wanted it managed, so woo woo.) The third charm is the Symfony PHP framework, not ready to review but the guy is working on it, good progress.
[16:19] <jcastro> - A bunch of other server team charms being worked on, lots of James Page work on the Hadoop/HBase stack, this will be awesome in Precise. Little fixes around the charms due to mmim's work on automated testing. Soon broken charms will just make things blink so we know. Got Jenkins, the whole 9 yards.
[16:19] <jcastro>  - Some charm browser stuff with Kapil, graphs are ninja now, and he's upgrading it to bootstrap 2.0 so we can make it look more Ubuntuish. Talked about how we want to make it more social so people can disqus (pun!) directly on the charm pages and be able to share the charm browser pages with friends via social networks.
[16:19] <jcastro>  - Charm Store allegedly in time for Beta 1 in 2 days. Allegedly. :)
[16:19] <jcastro> - juju Charm School Webinar, March 8th, already have 90(!) people signed up!
[16:19] <jcastro>    - Rehearsed with Petra today, slides @ design getting finalized. Webinars, serious business.
[16:19] <jcastro>    - Way more people than the IRC charm schools so far, perhaps use this venue more?
[16:20] <jcastro> - Server Blog planning with Clint and MMims, but webinar/slides in the way, Mims on his way to Strata this week.
[16:20] <jcastro> so not much progress on the blog
[16:20] <jcastro> - Summit Charm should be done today, if Mims can't finish it (he's off the grid this minute) Clint will finish it up tonight, he made good progress yesterday. He's made it so the django charm will be reusable, fixing dpm's use case from the other day.
[16:20] <jcastro> - Marketing team wants juju marketing materials to be a whitepaper, not a handout for events, Matt Barker sorting it, pinged Antonio for guidance.
[16:20] <jcastro>  - CharmSchool for the OpenStack Summit is now on. 5-8pm on the thursday, waiting on food/drinks quotes, from Cezz, but not much left for me to do there other than show up. :)
[16:20] <jcastro> Any questions on juju?
[16:20] <jcastro> [intermission]
[16:21] <jcastro> ok, moving on
[16:21] <jcastro> ### Other
[16:21] <jcastro>  - Global Jam Tasks (Server/juju/askubuntu) all on the wiki and ready to go.
[16:21] <jcastro>  - Blogged about the [awesomeness in Michigan](http://www.jorgecastro.org/2012/02/23/how-ubuntu-michigan-runs-jams/). Thanks snap-l for the interview.
[16:21] <jcastro> - Repinged other teams, got a bite in Mexico, but they seem to have made a separate event instead of adding onto the existing one.
[16:21] <jcastro> - Forums upgraded to 3.x.pointsomething, this takes care of the security issue, IS looking at 4.x upgrade this week. <3 Forums Council and Technoviking for their support. Good progress being made.
[16:21] <jcastro>  - A bit behind on OpenWeek planning, but nothing major.
[16:22] <jcastro>  - As always you can watch my Trellos for what I am working on:
[16:22] <jcastro>    - [Random Community things](https://trello.com/board/community-team/4e6febfb247e35000000aab1)
[16:22] <jcastro>    - [Juju Stuff](https://trello.com/board/juju-growth/4ec1696da3f94bd2ea5b2b01)
[16:22] <jcastro>    - [OpenWeek](https://trello.com/board/classroom/4e94f7afaef5aa0000a5d2ea)
[16:22] <jcastro> Any questions?
[16:22] <jcastro> I was determined to not get flamed for being too short this week. :)
[16:22] <dpm> good work jcastro
[16:22] <mhall119> jcastro: too short
[16:22] <jcastro> hah
[16:23] <jcastro> wait for DPM
[16:23] <jcastro> he probably has a 35 minute multimedia presentation
[16:23] <jono> hah
[16:23] <jono> alright
[16:23] <dpm> lol
[16:23] <jono> next up....
[16:23] <jono> a man defined by talent, quality, and conditioner....dpm!
[16:23] <dpm> :)
[16:23] <dpm> here we go!
[16:23] <dpm> App developers
[16:23] <dpm> --------------
[16:24] <dpm> • Reviewed the documentation for Unity and related technologies that is relevant to app developers and needs to be moved to developer.ubuntu.com with mhall119
[16:24] <dpm> • Reviewed, tested on a live staging site and merged a fix for the developer.ubuntu.com theme http://pad.lv/942113 - thanks daker for the fix!
[16:24] <dpm> • Requested a deployment of the latest d.u.c theme to IS, with a bunch of bug fixes since the last roll out.
[16:24] <mhall119> daker rocks
[16:24] <dpm> absolutely
[16:25] <dpm> • Started proofreading and editing a blog post on d.u.c on how to submit commercial apps to d.u.c
[16:25] <dpm> • Started writing a "Marketing your app in the Software Centre" guide on d.u.c
[16:25] <dpm> "guide" as in a blog post
[16:25] <dpm> • Set up the ubuntuappdeveloperportal-editors team to enable community participation in d.u.c content. David Callé started by drafting a Unity Lenses tutorial, and we'll publish it as soon as the Quickly lenses template hits universe
[16:26] <daker> dpm, mhall119 thanks
[16:26]  * dpm waits for jono to come back, so he doesn't miss the rest of the activity and thinks he's slacking
[16:26] <dpm> good work daker
[16:27] <mhall119> is the lens tutorial using Singlet + Quickly?
[16:27] <jono> sorry, machine hung
[16:27] <dpm> mhall119, let me tell you in a minute, I had a quick glance at it last week but I can't remember - I would think it is if David said we should wait for the template to be packaged
[16:28] <mhall119> ok
[16:28] <dpm> • Published PyGI AppIndicator API documentation on d.u.c, after noticing it wasn't being generated
[16:28] <mhall119> if it is, it might need updates
[16:28] <dpm> ok, yeah, let me check at the end of the notes and I can be more detailed in the answer
[16:28] <dpm> • Researched, discussed and learnt more about backports from dholbach, thanks! ;-)
[16:29] <dpm> Translators
[16:29] <dpm> -----------
[16:29] <dpm> • Started working on the Complete 12.04 Chinese Desktop project with kyleN:
[16:29] <dpm>    ∘ Reviewed actions
[16:29] <dpm>    ∘ Provided a first version of the schedule
[16:29] <dpm>    ∘ Contacted the community reviewers and arranged call for this week
[16:29] <dpm> • Coordinated publishing the full language pack in preparation for Beta-1
[16:29] <dpm> • Provided feedback on a few User Interface Freeze exceptions affecting translations
[16:30] <dpm> • Discussed translations accomplishments with translators - added to this week's translations call agenda to come up with a good set and implement them https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/TrophySuggestions
[16:30] <dpm> • Worked on a "20% time" project to port the existing translations stats - here's a demo for you http://<IP_ADDRESS>/stats/
[16:30]  * dpm loves django
[16:30] <dpm> Loco teams
[16:30] <dpm> ----------
[16:30] <dpm> • Ubuntu Global Jam Q+A videocast http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/20661432 - a new jam in Mumbai got signed up during the session :)
[16:31] <dpm> • Behind on blogging about the Slovenian and Catalan UGJ events, but about to catch up
[16:31] <dpm> Other
[16:31] <dpm> -----
[16:31] <dpm> • Reviewed and assessed currently remaining work items and their priorities with Jono, agreed to postpone a few
[16:31] <dpm> • Talked with xdatap1 about localized ISOs and pointed him to the right places to find the information - the Italian team is going to generate a localized Italian derivative https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ItalianCD
[16:31] <dpm> Ok, these were the highlights. Any questions?
[16:31] <mhall119> jcastro: he does have fancy bullets, doesn't he?
[16:32] <jcastro> I know right
[16:32] <jono> great report dpm :-)
[16:32] <dpm> ha :)
[16:32] <dpm> mhall119, http://developer.ubuntu.com/?p=1340&preview=true
[16:32] <balloons> deem bullets
[16:32] <jono> alrighty!
[16:33] <dpm> thanks to tomboy
[16:33] <jono> next up...a man defined by quality...balloons!
[16:33] <mhall119> dpm: can't view it
[16:33] <dpm> you'll need to log in first
[16:33] <balloons>          ,~-.
[16:33] <balloons>          (  ' )-.          ,~'`-.
[16:33] <balloons>       ,~' `  ' ) )       _(   _) )
[16:33] <balloons>      ( ( .--.[16:33] <balloons>       `.%%.;::|888.#`.   `-'`~~=~'
[16:33] <balloons>       /%%/::::|8888\##\
[16:33] <balloons>      |%%/:::::|88888\##|
[16:33] <balloons>      |%%|:::::|88888|##|.,-.
[16:33] <balloons>      \%%|:::::|88888|##/    )_
[16:33] <balloons>       \%\:::::|88888/#/ ( `'  )
[16:34] <balloons>        \%\::::|8888/#/(  ,  -'`-.
[16:34] <balloons>    ,~-. `%\:::|888/#'(  (     ') )
[16:34] <balloons>   (  ) )_ `\__|__/'   `~-~=--~~='
[16:34] <balloons>  ( ` ')  ) [VVVVV]
[16:34] <balloons> (_(_.~~~'   \|_|/
[16:34] <balloons>             [XXX]
[16:34] <balloons>             `"""'
[16:34] <balloons> :-) I win
[16:34] <mhall119> oh snap, ascii art? How can we compete with that
[16:34] <balloons> Alrighty here
[16:34] <jono> lulz
[16:34] <balloons> I have been working diligently on launching desktop application testing this cycle. Hopefully everyone saw the annoucement last evening about submitting testcases. The response has been amazing, I hope everyone can contibute by running the tests, help write them, or both :-) http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/02/opportunity-manual-application-testing.html
[16:34] <dholbach> wow
[16:34]  * balloons has stunned and captivated his audience
[16:34] <mhall119> "Spent all day developing ascii balloon for this meeting" better be one of his items
[16:34] <jono> balloons, any tests submitted balloons?
[16:35] <balloons> jono, yes, my inbox has some new gedit tests in it
[16:35] <jono> balloons, cool
[16:35] <balloons> turns out you can't submit merges to junk branches
[16:35] <balloons> I need to fix.. whoops!
[16:35] <mhall119> balloons: didrocks asked me about trying to get community involvement writing autopilot tests for unity, can  I get with you about that later today?
[16:36] <balloons> mhall119, yes you can
[16:36] <balloons> although I'm offically not here today
[16:36] <balloons> I'm writing tests :-)
[16:36] <jono> indeed
[16:36] <balloons> maybe that's my other balloon
[16:36] <balloons> continuing... I have been working with the checkbox folks alot about how the tool can be revamped for better ease of use, and cleaned up and created some documentation surrounding the tool. These guys are excitied to see the increased usage of the tool, so if your interested in digging in here, get involved! The code lives on launchpad here: https://launchpad.net/checkbox
[16:36]  * mhall119 hums "99 red balloons"
[16:37] <balloons> Launched my first ppa and built my first deb with lp, both for the manual application testing -- thanks for helping dholbach!
[16:37] <balloons> I spoke briefly about the future of testing inside ubuntu -- using a standardized test case management system (we're still looking at case conductor), a standardized test delivery framework system (checkbox is getting looked at now :-) ), and a standardized metrics/feedback/reporting system. We're looking at possibly using ubuntu accomplishments, launchpad, the ubuntu wiki, or something else entirely for metrics -- it's pretty wide open.
[16:37] <balloons> If you've got ideas on this I would love to hear them.
[16:38] <mhall119> not the wiki
[16:38] <balloons> I plan on having UDS sessions about how testing will happen in the Q cycle.. and I want to hit the ground running with in-place processes, tools, etc.. so it's important we do some prototyping if we can while we can this cycle
[16:39] <balloons> mhall119, everything is open as an option.. :-) I'm assuming we can find a better tool
[16:39] <balloons> Polished up a criticial packages list (did I mention this last time?) -- I'm going to be using the list to target which applications we want tests for; you'll notice the critical basic productivity apps are all being targeted for beta1 :-) Check out the list here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/CriticalPackages
[16:40] <balloons> I got interviewed by s-fox! Obligitaory linky: http://serial-coder.co.uk/blog/2012/02/an-interview-with-balloons/ If you care to know anymore about me, feel free to read it.
[16:40] <s-fox> ?
[16:40] <balloons> doing the interview was fun, thanks for asking s-fox -- I hope someone found it useful ;-p
[16:40] <s-fox> oh right, no worries. thank you
[16:41] <balloons> :-)
[16:42] <mhall119> balloons: are your critical packages mostly for desktop, or are you also targetting server apps?
[16:42] <jono> is that everything balloons?
[16:42] <balloons> Finally, the ubuntu qa landscape is still a bit difficult to follow, and I hope I'm helping to change that.. with that in mind I have been Working with Alvaro from U+1 subforums to help give a more offical status (and responsibilities) to those who are testing U+1 and running/reporting bugs on a day to day basis. I'm not sure what the ultimate form of this will take just yet, but I suspect we will talk more about structure in preparation
[16:42] <balloons> for the q cycle
[16:43] <balloons> mhall119, the server page still needs work.. I got some other folks to also have a look.. I will eventually get back to it.. the desktop page is complete
[16:43] <balloons> that's all folks!
[16:43] <mhall119> balloons: is there a CLI verson of checkbox for servers?
[16:43] <jono> thanks balloons
[16:43] <jono> any questions, folks?
[16:44] <balloons> mhall119, indeed there is
[16:45] <jono> alrighty
[16:45] <jono> I will go next
[16:45] <jono>  * General
[16:45] <pangolin> what, no intro?
[16:46] <jono> lol
[16:46] <jono> and here is jono:
[16:46] <jono> :-)
[16:46] <mhall119> the man who needs no introduction...
[16:46] <jono>   * Looking good - burndown is in shape. Postponed some work items to re-focus some parts of the cycle more effectively.
[16:46] <pangolin> hehe ok :)
[16:46] <jono> lol
[16:46] <jono>  * Developers
[16:46] <jono>   * Getting our sponsorship situation is shape. Reminded Engineering Managers to remind their teams.
[16:46] <jono>   * Discussed getting the DAB finalized.
[16:46] <jono>   * Better visualization of different developer on-ramp statuses in a Trello. Looking forward to moving forward with this.
[16:46] <jono>  * App Developers
[16:46] <jono>   * Getting the docs coordinated for our various app-dev facing Unity technologies.
[16:46] <jono>   * Produced a video overview of our technologies that will accompany this work.
[16:46] <jono>   * Brainstormed next steps for empowering app devs in Ubuntu.
[16:47] <jono>   * Continued work with OMG! over app reviews.
[16:47] <jono>  * QA:
[16:47] <jono>   * Working to get our Beta1 testing support finalized.
[16:47] <jono>   * Discussing pre-release testing requirements to prevent re-spins.
[16:47] <jono>   * Further planning of wider testing plans.
[16:47] <jono>  * Upstream:
[16:47] <jono>   * Coordinating the QuickList campaign with Mike.
[16:47] <jono>   * Got our stats in place and metrics for tracking further work.
[16:48] <jono>   * Defined scalable icons as a next target.
[16:48] <jono>   * Coordinated some inter-team workflow and optimizing upstream target work with upstreams.
[16:48] <jono>  * Juju:
[16:48] <jono>   * Putting in place new outreach goals.
[16:48] <jono>   * Defining charm school targets.
[16:48] <jono>  * LoCO Teams:
[16:48] <jono>   * Lots of Ubuntu Global Jam work - blogging, reaching out to teams etc.
[16:49] <jono>   * Organized my own Ubuntu Global Jam in Walnut Creek. :-)
[16:49] <jono>  * UDS:
[16:49] <jono>   * Finalized UDS sponsors list...you folks should be getting confirmations of whether you got sponsored or not soon, so hang fire!
[16:49] <jono>   * Discussing UDS plans for the Nov event.
[16:49] <jono>   * Coordinating team sprints.
[16:49] <jono>   * Starting to ratchet into place UDS logistical plans.
[16:49] <jono>  * Ubuntu Acomplishments:
[16:49] <jono>   * Adding a bunch of other accomplishments.
[16:49] <jono>   * Working with Duncan to get the accomplishments daemon ported to twistd so we can issue a proper release of the system.
[16:49] <jono>  * Other:
[16:50] <jono>   * Promotion and social media growth of Ubuntu on Android.
[16:50] <jono>   * Coordinating with the Comms team over the 12.04 release and LoCo initiatives.
[16:50] <jono>   * Produced a "How to file a bug report in Ubuntu video" - http://youtu.be/18nsScrDIa0
[16:50] <jono>   * Lots of testing and QA. Looks like my wirless bug is fixed, woo!
[16:50] <jono> and that's me
[16:50] <jono> any questions?
[16:50] <balloons> sweet news on the wireless fix!
[16:51] <mhall119> jono: repete was wondering what, if any, community involvement we can do around Ubuntu on Android
[16:51] <jcastro> oh cool to see Duncan around
[16:51] <jono> mhall119, right now there is not much needed
[16:51] <dholbach> jono, I guess I can replace my video with yours on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs then :)
[16:51] <jono> balloons, yeah I am stoked it is fixed
[16:51] <jono> dholbach, :-)
[16:52] <dholbach> I'll do that later
[16:52] <jono> cool!
[16:53] <jono> alrighty
[16:53] <jono> thanks everyone!
[16:53] <jono> #endmeeting
[16:53] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb 28 16:53:53 2012 UTC.
[16:53] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-community-team/2012/ubuntu-community-team.2012-02-28-16.01.moin.txt
[16:53] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-community-team/2012/ubuntu-community-team.2012-02-28-16.01.html
[16:55] <jcastro> ok so I still don't get what the ascii art is supposed to be
[16:55] <jcastro> is that a balloon and clouds?
[16:55] <balloons> totally!
[16:55] <balloons> hot air balloon
[16:56] <balloons> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twenty-One_Balloons
[16:56] <jcastro> http://www.chris.com/ascii/index.php?art=objects%2Fballoons
[16:56] <jcastro> I can't believe you went ascii art.
[16:56] <jcastro> it's going to have to be _on_ for next week
[16:59] <mhall119> lol
[16:59] <mhall119> jcastro: yeah, but he didn't use colors
[16:59] <balloons> lol
[16:59] <balloons> true
[17:00] <jcastro> whoa
[17:00] <jcastro> dudes
[17:01] <jcastro> I found daniel ascii art
[17:01] <jcastro> http://www.asciipaint.com/viewImages.php?i=501
[17:01] <jono> seems apt that the deadmau5 thing is made out of dollar signs
[17:01] <jono> that guy is an asshole
[17:02] <jcastro> I feel the need to come up with some other animal mask we can put on daniel during UDS
[17:02] <jono> hah
[17:02] <jono> kitten?
[17:02] <jcastro> deadpango5
[17:02] <jcastro> I would seriously wear a big head with LEDs to every session
[17:02] <jcastro> <----- ok lunch for me. BBI 60m.
[17:03] <balloons> yummy lunch
[17:03] <jcastro> on tuesdays I can be bad
[17:03] <jcastro> and eat a Spicy Chicken
[17:03] <jcastro> so I always look forward to it
[17:12] <jono> dholbach, all set?
[17:12] <dholbach> yep
[17:41] <jono> daker around?
[17:41] <daker> yep
[17:41] <daker> at work
[17:41] <daker> jono, ^
[17:41] <jono> balloons, do you know about launchpad.net/checkbox-editor
[17:42] <balloons> i do
[17:42] <balloons> never tried to use
[17:42] <jono> daker np prv msg
[17:42] <balloons> not sure it works or not?
[17:44] <balloons> jono, check this out : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/927912
[17:44] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 927912 in apport "Apport doesn't point out third-party packages in reports" [Wishlist,Fix committed]
[17:44] <balloons> :-) +1 mpitt
[17:45] <jono> balloons, nice!
[17:45] <balloons> brb
[17:58] <jcastro> anyone seeing a little white box rendered on occasion on the top left of the screen
[17:58] <jcastro> it doesn't go away so I assume a driver issue?
[18:08] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[18:19] <jono> jcastro, holy crap
[18:19] <jono> http://www.ironmaiden.com/maiden-on-the-charge.html
[18:21] <snap-l> Not sure I like the paperless ticket thing
[18:21] <snap-l> but the rest is awesome. :)
[18:22] <dholbach> alright my friends - see you all tomorrow
[18:24] <jono> snap-l, will be great to see them playing Seventh Son content
[18:25] <technoviking> anyone having menu drawing slowly or not till mouseover?
[18:32] <jcastro> argh no Florida!
[18:33] <snap-l> Detroit in July. :)
[18:33] <snap-l> Man, that's a hell of a schedule
[18:34] <jcastro> it's awesome is what it is
[18:34] <jcastro> dang, that's like one of my favorite records too
[18:34] <jcastro> I am still debating spending the cash on Roger Water's this time
[18:38] <jcastro> hmm, june 16th.
[18:38] <jcastro> jono: is that date on your sprint radar at all?
[18:38] <jono> lol
[18:39] <jono> noper
[18:39] <jono> but I am going
[18:39] <jono> brb, breakfast
[18:40] <jcastro> going?
[18:40] <jcastro> to maiden or roger waters?
[18:41] <angela-android> I can recommend the Roger Waters show
[18:45] <jcastro> I had tickets last time
[18:45] <jcastro> and then UDS happened and I had to give them up. :(
[18:45] <angela-android> :(
[18:45] <jcastro> so I want to be double sure, since they're going for north of $300 a pop here
[18:46] <angela-android> Well my walet is still hurting but I have to say it was worth it
[18:46] <angela-android> besides, I saw the 7th son tour first time round
[21:45] <jcastro> mhall119: hey so did we talk bug control admin responsibilities yet?
[21:45] <jcastro> I need to get that card out of my TODO list
[21:46] <jcastro> balloons: ok so should I reping stefano about case conductor again?
[21:46] <mhall119> jcastro: was there more than "Be careful and don't break stuff" that we needed to talk about?
[21:46] <jcastro> or is it still in the waiting for it to work part.
[21:47] <jcastro> mhall119: yeah so the tl;dr is
[21:47] <jcastro> upstreams who want to control their own bugs in launchpad should be able to do so
[21:47] <balloons> jcastro, he should be able to deploy it and get it up and running at any time now
[21:47] <jcastro> the thing is, that's part of the bug control, and usually it's like this huge application process
[21:47] <jcastro> since it's for general triagers
[21:47] <jcastro> with bug control we say "you want your own bugs, absolutely, here you go."
[21:48] <mhall119> we can't make a new team for upstreams to manage their own project's bugs?
[21:48] <jcastro> in ubuntu
[21:48] <jcastro> not in their projects
[21:48] <mhall119> oh, ok
[21:48] <jcastro> their projects might not even be on launchpad
[21:48] <jcastro> so then, when joe smith applies for control of VLC for example
[21:48] <czajkowski> some projects have holding pages on lp but mostly to message adn let people know where to go on their project pages
[21:48] <jcastro> the QA people tell him to ping me
[21:48] <jcastro> and they send me a mail
[21:49] <jcastro> all you have to do is do some due diligence to make sure the guy is actually from the project
[21:49] <jcastro> for me I almost always find the person's activity in the upstream VCS or bug tracker
[21:49] <jcastro> then you can just add them to the team
[21:49] <mhall119> ok
[21:49] <mhall119> add them to the bug control team?
[21:50] <jcastro> yep
[21:50] <jcastro> that's it
[21:50] <mhall119> easy enough
[21:50] <jcastro> and then a little Spider-man "with great powers comes great responsibility" thing in the reply mail
[21:50] <jcastro> usually it's something like "thanks for contributing to ubuntu ... blah"
[21:51] <jcastro> last I was told anyone in bug control can change bugs around
[21:51] <jcastro> so we don't want joe smith with VLC bug control access to go mess with glibc bugs or whatever
[21:51] <mhall119> jcastro: but we can't actually stop them once they're in bug control, can we?  We just give them the spider-man speech and honor system
[21:52] <jcastro> yeah
[21:52] <jcastro> but like, no one in the 4 years I've been doing it has ever done anything bad
[21:52] <mhall119> seems like a shortcoming in LP
[21:52] <mhall119> ok
[21:52] <jcastro> if they're involved in an upstream project they're usually not dumb
[21:52] <mhall119> honor systems sometimes work better than enforcement
[21:52] <jcastro> but yeah, I don't know why LP isn't ACLed like that
[21:52] <mhall119> I do
[21:52] <jcastro> but then again, it's just bug switches
[21:52] <mhall119> have you *seen* Zope code?
[21:53] <czajkowski> heh
[21:53] <mhall119> czajkowski knows what I'm talking about now, don't you czajkowski ?
[21:53] <czajkowski> I'm learnign fast
[21:53] <czajkowski> adn yes bug control is interesting! spent today removing spam and someone dediced to close bugs and add fix committed to them and marking all sorts of projects effected
[21:54] <czajkowski> then when I wanted to remove the spam I had to ask webops to do so as new features stop people doing stuff
[21:54] <mhall119> :/
[21:58] <snap-l> "thanks for contributing to ubuntu ... blah" <- My new signature.
[22:24] <jcastro> heya mhall119
[22:24] <jcastro> when you get a chance can you clean out your items from the trello and put them in Done! or Postpone?
[22:25] <cjohnston> yo yo yo
[22:25] <jcastro> I'm going to clear out that bad boy today
[22:25] <jcastro> hey cjohnston
[22:25] <jcastro> so mims is charming up summit
[22:25] <jcastro> and he told me:
[22:25] <jcastro> "seems like summit is well-built from what I've seen so far"
[22:25] <cjohnston> awesome
[22:25] <jcastro> "those guys know what they're doing"
[22:25] <cjohnston> thanks to mhall119  and nigelb
[22:31] <jcastro> hey nigelb
[22:31] <jcastro> you going to enter the charm contest?
[22:31] <jcastro> I am in need of the server side firefox sync server
[22:32] <cjohnston> +1, go nigelb
[22:33] <nigelb> Morning jcastro.
[22:33] <nigelb> I wasn't planning to. But now, *maybe*.
[22:33] <mhall119> jcastro: it's certainly a far sight better than it was when we started
[22:34] <cjohnston> +1
[22:34] <mhall119> I think spending that full cycle on nothing but fixes, testing, and cleaning really paid off
[22:34] <jcastro> nigelb: next time I head out to the left coast I want to stop by MoCo and convince someone on your web infra team to dig it.
[22:34] <nigelb> jcastro: I think the problem there is Mozilla deploys to RHEL, not Ubuntu :(
[22:35] <nigelb> (well, most of the time)
[22:35] <jcastro> while that's important to me (getting them to use Ubuntu), I mean the other way around as the important use case
[22:36] <jcastro> "oh neat, some cool infra tool from mozilla, *type type*, deployed!"
[22:36] <nigelb> Agreed.
[22:36] <mhall119> *cough* sumo *cough*
[22:36] <jcastro> caseconductor, etc. etc.
[22:36] <jcastro> think of startups just firing those up right on the fly.
[22:38] <nigelb> I don't know about caseconductor, but I know sumo isn't proudctized very well yet.
[22:38] <nigelb> on the other hand, the crash reporting stuff is installed all over the place.
[22:38] <nigelb> Steam uses it.
[22:38] <nigelb> And a bunch of other gaming companies.
[22:38]  * jcastro nods
[22:38] <jcastro> I've got a dude doing case conductor for the contest already
[22:39] <nigelb> nice!
[22:39] <jcastro> what's the crash one?
[22:39] <nigelb> <3
[22:39] <nigelb> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/Firefox
[22:40] <jcastro> ok so the server piece is socorro
[22:40] <jcastro> and the clients?
[22:41] <jcastro> do people just make their own stubs to feed socorro?
[22:41] <nigelb> Both
[22:41] <nigelb> people run their on servers and clients
[22:41] <jcastro> oh I see, breakpad libraries
[22:41] <nigelb> for other desktop software
[22:42] <jcastro> http://socorro.readthedocs.org/en/latest/installation.html
[22:42] <jcastro> blam, that is so charmable
[22:42] <jcastro> nigelb: is there a list of projects using this?
[22:43] <nigelb> jcastro: I don't think so. I've only heard laura (the manger for the team) talk about it at conferences.
[22:46] <jcastro> ok, filed a bug, man that would be a slick one for the contest.
[22:47] <jcastro> nigelb: what else do you guys have server side that is this cool?
[22:47] <nigelb> bugzilla?
[22:47] <nigelb> if its not done yet
[22:51] <jcastro> it's on the list somewhere
[22:54] <nigelb> jcastro: so, nothing else jumps out at me yet, but if it doesn, I'll ping you :)
[23:10] <cjohnston> mhall119: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-florida/1445/detail/
[23:22] <jono> what is the best pad to use?
[23:22] <jcastro> pad?
[23:22] <jcastro> like etherpad?
[23:22] <jono> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/
[23:23] <jono> that type of pad
[23:23] <jcastro> pad.ubuntu.com
[23:23] <jono> which is the best one to use for Ubuntu?
[23:23] <jono> aha!
[23:24] <jcastro> we have a charm for it too yo
[23:25] <jono> cool :-)
[23:25] <jcastro> we enable anyone to make a link farm, hah
[23:25] <jono> how persistent are the URLs?
[23:26] <jono> e.g. http://pad.ubuntu.com/g0Qpg4pRIJ
[23:26] <jcastro> very
[23:26] <jono> cool
[23:26] <jcastro> though I recommend just making them human readable
[23:26] <jcastro> you can do pad.ubuntu.com/whatever-you-want
[23:26] <jono> oh nice
[23:27] <jcastro> indeed, it's quite a nice system
[23:28] <popey> \o/ etherpad
[23:29] <jono> hmmm how do I switch of the tagging thing?
[23:29] <jono> http://pad.ubuntu.com/accomplishments
[23:29] <jcastro> tagging is a place I am not sure of
[23:29] <nigelb> don't use hashes ;)
[23:29] <jono> nigelb, lol
[23:30] <jcastro> you can't escape a hash?
[23:30] <jono> it's no big deal
[23:30] <jcastro> actually dude, you leave a full link to the web thing we embed anyway
[23:30] <jcastro> that'll work
[23:48] <jono> alright, anyone want to help flesh out the docs on http://pad.ubuntu.com/accomplishments ?
[23:55] <jono> jcastro, can you flesh out the Juju ones on http://pad.ubuntu.com/accomplishments now?
[23:55] <jono> and then I will add them
[23:56] <jono> jcastro, they are near the bottom
[23:56] <cprofitt> jono: looking now
[23:56] <jcastro> looking
[23:56] <jono> cprofitt, thanks for your help!
[23:56] <jcastro> are dependencies in here?
[23:56] <jcastro> like the one depending on the other one?
[23:57] <jono> jcastro, I took them out to keep this simple
[23:57] <jono> but they are already in there
[23:58] <jono> jcastro, I would to make the instructions more specific and expansive
[23:58] <jcastro> ok no worries, I was just wondering if that was on purpose or not
[23:58] <jono> thanks jcastro


[23:15] <lotharreeger> I have got one problem.My computer doesn´t recognize the graphic onboard and the screen.Driver openchrome is installed,but the solution is only 800*600 pixel.What can I do?
[23:16] <acicula> Pixar: netstat is a good start i suppose
[23:16] <Pixar> i don't like netstat
[23:16] <erUSUL> elexodus_: i do not think you can turn a ms-dos parition table into a gpt partition table without loosing the already existing partitions
[23:17] <elexodus_> erUSUL: That's fine. I can always rebuild... Any idea how to make it into gpt?
[23:17] <lnx4ver> lonnix you can try to kill gdm followed by sudo gdm wich will restart all your X session
[23:17] <sebsebseb> Hi
[23:17] <erUSUL> elexodus_: parted/gparted can make gpt parition tables
[23:18] <elexodus_> erUSUL: Really?
[23:18] <erUSUL> elexodus_: yes
[23:19] <cthulhu2> Is there anyway to go back and change my login name? Im running Ubuntu 9.10
[23:19] <AndreMorro[BR]> whats the name of the substitue of webmin in ubuntu/debian ??
[23:19] <erUSUL> !ebox | AndreMorro[BR]
[23:19] <AndreMorro[BR]> thats right
[23:19] <AndreMorro[BR]> thanks erUSUL again
[23:19] <erUSUL> np
[23:20] <cthulhu2> erUSUL, you have any idea how to change my login name?
[23:20] <erUSUL> cthulhu2: in theory you can with usermod
[23:20] <Santisnight> I'm getting an error extracting files from a .tar.gz file
[23:20] <electrofreak> why is ffmpeg giving me "Unsupported codec for output stream #0.0" for output format mp3???
[23:20] <ptronico> hello! I installed cmaps tools but i cant run it. anyone can help me? thanks a lot
[23:21] <AndreMorro[BR]> ptronico, does it give you any erros?
[23:21] <DVA5912> is there anything out there that will simulate an ATMEGA AVR chip? something that i could test my code against? something that i could interface too for my coding
[23:21] <ptronico> AndreMorro[BR]: Não cara... eu sou meio noob... instalei, ele nao criou nenhum atalho... nao sei como faço, rs
[23:21] <acicula> DVA5912: search for an atmel emulator?
[23:21] <Santisnight> Can someone help with this Gzip error? ; gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[23:21] <Santisnight> tar: Child returned status 1
[23:21] <Santisnight> tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
[23:22] <DVA5912> acicula, the ones that came up, were for windows only
[23:22] <acicula> Santisnight: file <whateveryourareunzipping> says?
[23:22] <Ganang> please anyone who got a usb microfone working with skype in Ubuntu 9.04, give me a help
[23:22] <Ganang> thanks
[23:22] <erUSUL> Santisnight: what does « file file_name.tar.gz » says ?
[23:22] <electrofreak> does anyone know why ffmpeg is giving me "Unsupported codec for output stream #0.0" for output format mp3???
[23:22] <Santisnight> acicula,  you mean whats it's filename?
[23:23] <acicula> Ganang: you probably have to specify a different source for audio recording, can you get it to work with gstreamer-properties
[23:23] <acicula> electrofreak: ffmpeg is compiled without mp3 support
[23:23] <Santisnight> oh ok lemme see
[23:23] <knoppix> ]
[23:23] <acicula> !restrictedformats
[23:23] <lonnix> what file has the list of startup applications?
[23:23] <electrofreak> acicula, why??
[23:23] <acicula> !upstart
[23:23] <acicula> look there lonnix
[23:23] <acicula> electrofreak: its a proprietaty format that puts restrictions on who distributes it
[23:24] <lonnix> acicula: look where?
[23:24] <erUSUL> electrofreak: becouse ffmpeg does not support mp3 encoding ?
[23:24] <Santisnight> acicula,  it says < mse-0.3.8-linux.tar.gz: POSIX tar archive (GNU)>
[23:24] <acicula> electrofreak: you can find custom builds of ffmpeg in ppa probably, and medibuntu repo provides everything you need to fork with mp
[23:24] <elexodus_> erUSUL: I see.  I'm trying not to lose the Dell Utility partician or the boot partician. I see that in Gparted, I can make a new partician table, but it will screw everything up.
[23:24] <acicula> Santisnight: its tar, use tar not zip ;)
[23:24] <erUSUL> Santisnight: do « tar xf  mse-0.3.8-linux.tar.gz »
[23:24] <Ganang> i have it working already with PulseAudio Server, which is the default from skype. The best thing would be to get it working with pulseserver
[23:24] <acicula> its probably tar.gizpped so tar xvfz <file> instead of unzip will work
[23:24] <erUSUL> elexodus_: that is what i was trying to say.
[23:25] <elexodus_> erUSUL: I'm assuming that gpt is most ideal for a 5TB+ partitian. But I also need to be able to get Truecrypt to install an encrypted sector into that space once the new partician table has been made.
[23:25] <Santisnight> thanks!
[23:25] <Ganang> the microfone is working already inside pulseserver, but skype doesnt recognize it
[23:25] <AndreMorro[BR]> Ganang, try using the beta-version from the website
[23:25] <erUSUL> Ganang: can you configure skype to use pulseaudio?
[23:25] <acicula> !upstart | lonnux
[23:25] <electrofreak> acicula, ok, sure, I get the free format thing or whatever..... but it's MP3.... the defacto audio standard for most everything... why would they take it out if they want to create an easy/seamless experience for users??
[23:26] <Ganang> andremoroo[br]:it is not a problem with skype itself, this is a fresh install
[23:26] <acicula> electrofreak: because the license does not allow redistributing it
[23:26] <Ganang> erusul: yes i can!
[23:26] <acicula> electrofreak: offenders are not prosecuted
[23:26] <acicula> thats not the same as free
[23:26] <electrofreak> acicula, I have no problem compiling my own thing... but other people might. I'm just puzzled as to why they would do that.
[23:26] <Ganang> a have the padchooser for pulseudio, and in input devices, i can see my builtin microfone working great
[23:26] <acicula> electrofreak: most people have no need for that, afaik medibuntu provides programs and mp3 support to deal with mp3
[23:27] <erUSUL> electrofreak: i do not have experience with truecrypt
[23:27] <acicula> electrofreak: have a look at ubuntu-restricted-extras and medibuntu
[23:27] <erUSUL> !info lame
[23:27] <electrofreak> acicula, ok, I will do that. thanks. Or, yeah, maybe I'll just use lame.
[23:27] <acicula> lonnix: see ubottus messages to lonnix a few lines back, upstart and its associated commands will tell youw ht you need
[23:28] <hajmola> empathy won't grab the contact images I've put in for people. It'll grab ones set by the contact, but not ones I've manually entered
[23:29] <Ganang> erUSUL: the thing is just somehow now making skype see the microfone which pulseaudio already recognized.
[23:29] <acicula> electrofreak: also regarding seamless, if ubuntu cannot play an mp3 it will tell you that it needs restricted stuff
[23:29] <acicula> it should anyway
[23:29] <Ganang> erUSUL: i followed some tutorials, but doesnt work for me actually
[23:29] <electrofreak> acicula, heh, not in the terminal
[23:29] <acicula> electrofreak: terminals are not seamless experiences
[23:29] <acicula> :P
[23:30] <electrofreak> acicula, lol. yeah, I guess the average users doesn't know what a terminal is.
[23:30] <Sensiva> !intel
[23:30] <Sensiva> oh man
[23:30] <Sensiva> :\
[23:30] <trix_> hello,
[23:30] <acicula> im already glad i can install linux in under 20 minutes without manually having to add java, nvidia and all the other proprietary stuff
[23:30] <acicula> Sensiva: intel works well for some people too :)
[23:31] <dtb> please help me with wifi setup
[23:31] <northern_deer> mkanyicy, that's me again. it didn't work. again 'NTLDR not found, press Ctrl+Alt+Del to restart'
[23:31] <acicula> !help
[23:31] <Sensiva> acicula it was working for me too, but I just rebooted my pc now after 6 days uptime, and it says No Valid Modes
[23:31] <erUSUL> Ganang: in the audio preferences of skype can you make it use pulseaudio?
[23:31] <Sensiva> I thought that curse is over
[23:31] <trix_> was once given ssh access to a server and while i was connected the server owner was able to type as me
[23:31] <Sensiva> :\
[23:31] <trix_> how could this be done?
[23:31] <northern_deer> mkanyicy, maybe grub can somehow affect windows' loader?
[23:31] <cjae> Can I adjust the nice valve for a virus scan, so it doesnt bog down system while using it? I am scanning an external ntfs drive that will be going on a doze machine
[23:32] <acicula> Sensiva: on the screen?, try switching to a VT , ctrl-alt-F1 and back alt-f7 a few times
[23:32] <trix_> like for example , i would type a question in the command prompt, and the guy would erase what i typed and answer my question
[23:32] <Sensiva> acicula Do you mean restarting gdm few times?
[23:32] <acicula> trix_: screen
[23:32] <trix_> any suggestions ?
[23:32] <erUSUL> cjae: renice ?
[23:32] <jrib> trix_: why not just ask him?
[23:33] <cjae> erUSUL: not sure what you mean
[23:33] <erUSUL> trix_: probably he used GNU Screen
[23:33] <erUSUL> cjae: man renice
[23:33] <trix_> jrib : i cant find him atm
[23:33] <Ganang> erUSUL: yes my only option is PulseAudio server actually
[23:33] <trix_> isnt screen for keeping applications in the background ?
[23:33] <jrib> trix_: screen is for more than that
[23:33] <trix_> so i logged in into a screen sesstion?
[23:34] <jrib> trix_: that would be one way
[23:34] <trix_> ok thanks i'll check it
[23:34] <erUSUL> Ganang: but the micropphone does not appear? checkd volume levels with pavucontrol ?
[23:34] <acicula> screen is a virtual console people can attach and detach to, sortof
[23:34] <cjae> erUSUL: oh that it the controlling app, cant I just do it from htop too
[23:35] <erUSUL> cjae: dunno; never used htop for that
[23:35] <mkanyicy> northern_deer, try modifying your menu.lst to be like this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/366501/
[23:35] <erUSUL> cjae: but probably the problem is the disk io not the cpu ....
[23:35] <cjae> erUSUL: that what I was just going to ask
[23:35] <lonnix> acicula: all i've done in terms of graphics is change the background and set a theme using a built in one from system->preferences->appearences
[23:35] <lonnix> i do have dual monitors too
[23:35] <erUSUL> cjae: ionice exist but i dunno if you can re-ionice a process
[23:36] <jeke> In my /etc/rc1.d dir i have a syslink called  K84ssh -> ../init.d/ssh. Will ssh start when i reboot the system?
[23:36] <Ganang> erUSUL: here is the thing under pavucontrol i go to "Volume Control", after "Input devices" tab, and there is my microfone, working great. Should i do something else? Also in pavucontrol -> recording volume i can see it capturing
[23:36] <cjae> erUSUL: any other suggestion, besides do it later
[23:36] <Ganang> erUSUL: did i forget anything?
[23:36] <erUSUL> Ganang: not that i can see. sorry for not being of much help
[23:37] <erUSUL> cjae: you can use ionice in an already running process
[23:37] <Sensiva> Any one here has been through a problem with Intel this week?
[23:37] <acicula> lonnix: err and what does it say in visual appearancs ?
[23:37] <jrib> Sensiva: you need to be more specific...
[23:37] <acicula> lonnix: i mean visual efects
[23:37] <ramiro> hi
[23:37] <Ganang> erUSUL: thanks for you help anyway.
[23:37] <erUSUL> Ganang: np
[23:38] <lonnix> acicula: it says none
[23:38] <erUSUL> !hi | ramiro
[23:38] <Sensiva> jrib my display was working fine for the past 6 days, and I just rebooted my pc now, and its giving me an error "No Valid Modes"
[23:38] <acicula> lonnix: hmm weird, can you try reverting the changes to theme and bg and see if that helps?
[23:38] <ramiro> It seems I've deleted all of /lib. so nothing runs anymore =). what's the proper recovery procedure?
[23:38] <acicula> ramiro: rescue cd, backup, reinstall
[23:38] <usser> ramiro, there's none :)
[23:38] <usser> ramiro, well what acicula said
[23:39] <erUSUL> ramiro: i'm sorry to say that you will have to reinstall
[23:39] <jrib> Sensiva: ask the channel but include information like ubuntu version, what video card, where exactly do you get that error, etc
[23:39] <lonnix> acicula: i think i got it, i tried to switch from none to medium and it failed, but when it reverted it put it back
[23:39] <lonnix> thanks
[23:39] <Sensiva> ok :D
[23:39] <ramiro> I only have an ssh access open to the machine. I can't even open new ssh accesses.
[23:39] <acicula> lonnix: great :)
[23:39] <lnx4ver> does ext4 exhibit some performance regression in karmic compared to ext3, reading from some articles in phoronix website its seems that there are some regression in ext4 from 2.6.31 kernels
[23:40] <acicula> ramiro: you cant do anything from the running bash shell
[23:40] <Code_Bleu_> 8.10 slow boot, 9.04 WAY faster, 9.10 promised to be faster, but actually was A LOT slower.  Will they fix it to where 10.04 is way faster to boot?  I went from 12sec boot, to 1 min 12 sec.
[23:40] <acicula> ramiro: as you cant start new programs
[23:40] <lonnix> acicula: well, after restarting, its doing the same thing. is there a way to make it so i don't have to do that every time?
[23:40] <ramiro> acicula: I can't even ls...
[23:40] <acicula> ramiro: ls is aprogram
[23:40] <acicula> no lib
[23:40] <acicula> no program
[23:40] <acicula> ramiro: rescue cd, backup, reinstall
[23:40] <FloodBot4> acicula: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:41] <Sensiva> Hey All, I have a Dell Optiplex 755 workstation with Intel Q35 VGA chipset, and using Karmic amd64, everything was working fine, but I rebooted my pc now , and xorg is giving an error of No Valid Modes and suggesting to run in low graphix mood, any suggestions?
[23:41] <ramiro> so, the plan is: I close the ssh windows I have opened, and actually enjoy my vacation. in a week's time I get back home and reinstall =)
[23:41] <acicula> lonnix: err i dont know really why its crashing on login
[23:41] <erUSUL> ramiro: sound like a plan
[23:41] <jolaren> How do I edit upstart jobs? I have a commando running in the startup that I want to be ran as root
[23:41] <ramiro> that's a nice way to force me to actually enjoy my vacations
[23:41] <acicula> lonnix: in a console you can type metacity --replace to restart the wm
[23:42] <acicula> lonnix: but that wont prevent it from crashing on login
[23:42] <erUSUL> jolaren: not all jobs are handled by upstart yet. which one are you talking about
[23:42] <erUSUL> ?
[23:42] <ramiro> thanks guys, I'll be back in a week or so to see if there's any way to just reinstall the packages I had installed instead of having to reformat
[23:42] <acicula> !upstart | jolaren
[23:42] <lonnix> well, i know what to look for now, thanks
[23:42] <acicula> ramiro: you cant reinstall packages without /lib, as apt-get and all the subsystems dont work.
[23:42] <Sensiva> jolaren you may find  startup applications in System > Preferences > Startup Applications
[23:42] <jolaren> erUSUL; mythtv-backend
[23:43] <jolaren> Sensiva; It's a server
[23:43] <ojo> hey everyone, I have encrypted my hard drive but now I the drive is mounted in \media and has really weard name the UUID I think, Is there a way that I can rename it
[23:43] <Sensiva> ok
[23:43] <ramiro> acicula: but is it possible to install from the live cd and reinstall the packages to /mnt/oldbuntu or whatever?
[23:43] <ramiro> because all the apt information is still there in /etc or whatever
[23:44] <ramiro> (I mean boot from the livecd and...)
[23:44] <acicula> ramiro: possible yeah but not very practical
[23:44] <ramiro> oh well... I'm off.
[23:44] <ramiro> thanks
[23:44] <acicula> gl
[23:44] <electrofreak> acicula, oh crap... lame doesn't convert from flac? dang it.
[23:45] <cjae> erUSUL: TIA
[23:45] <northern_deer> mkanyicy, again almost the same, but this time it didn't ask to press Ctrl+Alt+Del, it tried to boot from dvd, maybe crashed, and rebooted
[23:45] <acicula> electrofreak: i dont know anything about encoding/recoding
[23:45] <cjae> erUSUL: oops thanks
[23:45] <electrofreak> ok
[23:45] <erUSUL> cjae: yw ;P
[23:45] <acicula> my laptop is so poorly build that i cant run it over 800Mhz without overheating so, no encoding for me :)
[23:46] <ojo> hey everyone, I have encrypted my external hard drive and now the drive is mounted in \media the directory has really weard name. The UUID of the drive I think. Is there a way that to rename it?
[23:46] <acicula> ojo: by default the name of the partition is used as a label afaik
[23:47] <acicula> you can rename the directory where it is mounted by specifying something else in fstab i guess
[23:48] <ojo> acicula os w8, if I rename it with e2label and remount it, it should work?
[23:48] <acicula> e2label renames the disk
[23:48] <lnx4ver> I'd like to convert my ext3 partition to ext4 but I want to know from users experience, does ext4 exhibit some performance regression in karmic compared to ext3, reading from some articles in phoronix website its seems that there are regressions in ext4 starting from 2.6.31 kernels?
[23:48] <acicula> wouldnt do that if its encrypted
[23:48] <acicula> lnx4ver: depends on workload?
[23:48] <ojo> acicula: why?
[23:49] <acicula> ojo: depending on what encryption program you used to crypt the disk the label may be revelant?
[23:49] <erUSUL> lnx4ver: that was probably becouse ext4 in those kernels enabled hardware barriers by default
[23:49] <mkanyicy> northern_deer, im clueless now
[23:50] <lnx4ver> acicula I use it as a desktop system
[23:50] <poseidon> What are some good 3d games to play on linux?
[23:50] <erUSUL> lnx4ver: see the mount man page the ext4 section
[23:50] <lnx4ver> erUSUL barrier option is not used by default in ubuntu?
[23:51] <tgraham> I have a fresh 8.10 server install. I created an account during the install, but every time I try to log in it says Login incorrect. What am I doing wrong?
[23:51] <acicula> poseidon: nexuiz , enemy territory, quake versions ?
[23:51] <erUSUL> lnx4ver: dunno; i use a custom kernel and $ cat /proc/mounts  | grep ext4 --> /dev/sdb6 /media/MEDIA1 ext4 rw,noatime,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0
[23:51] <acicula> tgraham: wrong password? capslock?
[23:52] <tgraham> Nope
[23:52] <poseidon> acicula, I couldn't find anyplace to buy enemy territory
[23:52] <erUSUL> !games > poseidon
[23:52] <tgraham> I've reinstalled 3 time, each time, same problem.
[23:52] <guest> E: Package libdvdcss2 has no installation candidate <<< what repo am i missing ?
[23:52] <acicula> you are logging in how?
[23:52] <acicula> guest: medibuntu?
[23:52] <acicula> !dvd
[23:52] <tgraham> Console, through VMWare.
[23:52] <lnx4ver> erUSUL ok
[23:52] <erUSUL> !medibuntu | guest
[23:53] <acicula> tgraham: as what user
[23:53] <CraigGB> !games > CraigGB
[23:53] <tgraham> The user I created during the install process.
[23:53] <acicula> tgraham: you could force a root shell by booting the rescue option and dropping to a shell
[23:54] <acicula> but i cant think of any other reason for a failed login on a fresh install then entering a wrong username/passwd combo :/
[23:54] <tgraham> I've done that, then tried a passwd to change the users password, but still no go.
[23:54] <acicula> hurr
[23:55] <acicula> full install on one partition i assume?
[23:55] <acicula> any errors in auth.log/syslog? is there a crypted passwd in /etc/shadow ?
[23:55] <tgraham> Minimal install on the guided partion.
[23:56] <tgraham> Let me check those.
[23:56] <sebsebseb> tgraham: 8.10 server?  that's what you put
[23:56] <acicula> yeah that shouldnt give any issues
[23:56] <tgraham> Yes, 8.10 server
[23:56] <tgraham> amd64 ISO
[23:56] <sebsebseb> tgraham: uhmm that will run out of support at the end of April
[23:56] <tgraham> VMWare server is the host.
[23:56] <acicula> sebsebseb: LTS is five years for server
[23:56] <tgraham> 9 doesn't play nice with what I'm doing.
[23:56] <sebsebseb> acicula: 8.10 is not a LTS
[23:57] <acicula> sebsebseb: my mistake, misread, that is correct :)
[23:57] <sebsebseb> tgraham: 8.04 is LTS  not 8.10
[23:57] <acicula> sebsebseb: he never said it was
[23:57] <sebsebseb> tgraham: 10.04 is next LTS.   ,but your doing server OS in virtual machines?
[23:58] <tgraham> Yes
[23:58] <sebsebseb> acicula: true
[23:58] <cjae> erUSUL: so using ionice to reduce disk activity from scanner is not really an option, unless it is idle?
[23:58] <lnx4ver> lnx4ver ext4 seems to have its benefits (less fragmentation, faster boot) but I have some doubts  has it still look like it is not feature complete and could one can get problem with using barrier=0
[23:58] <sebsebseb> tgraham: what's your actsaul host OS?
[23:58] <tgraham> ESX4
[23:58] <erUSUL> cjae: !? can you rephrase?
[23:58] <sebsebseb> tgraham: and why are you doing Ubuntu in a server machine?   ESX4 uhmm that sounds like the virtual machine software, not the actsaul operating system it's running on
[23:58] <sebsebseb> tgraham: why are you doing server in a virtual machine, above?
[23:59] <acicula> ESX is a virtualisation approach, i use i too, though just esx3.5
[23:59] <tgraham> I need 10 Ubuntu servers, I have  2 ESX4 servers to put them on.
[23:59] <tgraham> ESX4 is the OS.
[23:59] <sebsebseb> tgraham: 8.04 server that makes sense,  8.10  not really when it's on the verge of running out of support.
[23:59] <tgraham> If you can call it that.
[23:59] <sebsebseb> !server | tgraham
[23:59] <acicula> tgraham: can you try the 8.04 LTS, see if you get the same problem? it sreally weird though