[13:47] <nigelb> o/
[13:47] <nigelb> Interesting post about acessible education by a friend http://ilnodisaarcodu.wordpress.com/2011/08/25/95/
[13:48] <Pendulum> nigelb: can you check with him about whether we could repost (obviously with attibution and link to his post) on our blog? (as hopefully a way to give him some signal boost)
[13:49] <nigelb> sure
[13:49] <nigelb> Pendulum: bah, he's not online right now.
[13:49] <nigelb> I'll poke him later, when he's on
[13:49] <Pendulum> nigelb: just whenever poke if it's okay :)
[17:15] <charlie-tca> The latest "I really want Onboard in the menu" bug is bug 833862
[17:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 833862 in onboard "Onboard Keyboard should have a menu entry for Xubuntu/Xfce" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/833862
[17:15] <charlie-tca> We do keep trying
[17:49] <AlanBell> it is in the menu now surely
[17:49] <AlanBell> in oneiric
[17:50] <AlanBell> we have stopped breaking it now
[17:54] <AlanBell> and the onboard settings application now works too and it has the ambiance theme by default
[17:54] <charlie-tca> It is always in the menus in alphas, but get removed for the final
[17:54] <AlanBell> which is pretty much the one I designed, but with better keycap shading and a shadow on the font which looks rubbish imho
[17:55] <AlanBell> ok, I will keep a close eye on it :)
[17:55] <charlie-tca> It has done the menu thing for at least two releases that I am aware of, so I would hope to at least get the file changed to let xubuntu keep it this time
[18:08] <AlanBell> well so far there is no patch to change
[18:09] <charlie-tca> Every bug does not require a patch
[18:11] <AlanBell> yeah, but in this situation the upstream package is just fine, we break it, and you want to unbreak it for xubuntu, but as it has not yet been broken it can't be unbroken
[18:12] <charlie-tca> No, I simply want the desktop file to have a line added that will allow the damn thing to stay in the menu
[18:12] <AlanBell> if you put "OnlyShowIn=XFCE;" in now, then that will break it for everything else
[18:13] <charlie-tca> The same thing I have watched countless times get closed because it doesn't need to be in a menu, those who need it should know it exists and be able to magically use it
[18:13] <charlie-tca> It was in the menu in natty and maverick, too. Where is it again?
[18:15] <charlie-tca> It can't be sru'd or backported because it is not important enough. On the other hand, it can't be in the menu for final release either
[18:15] <AlanBell> ok, so lets find out who is breaking it and get a commitment from them to not break it
[18:15] <AlanBell> bug 786130
[18:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 786130 in onboard "not present in unity application launcher" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/786130
[18:16] <AlanBell> I am tempted to mark that one as fix released, then if someone breaks it then it will be a regression
[18:16] <AlanBell> regressions can be SRUed
[18:16] <AlanBell> oh, it was TheMuso who put the patch in
[18:17] <AlanBell> TheMuso: we are not doing this any more are we? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/onboard/oneiric/changes?filter_file_id=01_disable_menu_icon-20100414061233-bk6cf6sdsaty3jr8-1
[18:17] <charlie-tca> Let's take it all the wayy then - see bug 275450
[18:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 275450 in onboard "menu items missing on fresh install of Ubuntu" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/275450
[18:41] <AlanBell> charlie-tca: you are totally right, that was added really late in the 10.04 cycle, I will check 10.10 and 11.04
[18:48] <AlanBell> same patch, I can't figure it out, looks to me like it has been there since 2010-04-14
[18:49] <AlanBell> skaet do you know about this issue?
[18:54]  * skaet reading the backscroll
[18:55] <AlanBell> skaet: the onboard on screen keyboard has been removed from the menus, which means you need to use a keyboard to start your keyboard
[18:55] <AlanBell> it is there in Oneiric at the moment, but we believe it has been removed last minute from other releases
[18:55] <skaet> AlanBell, urk.  first I'm hearing of it.
[18:56] <AlanBell> it is an Ubuntu patch that intentionally breaks it :(
[18:56] <charlie-tca> Um, could always try looking in the menu in natty, if you are running it.
[18:56] <charlie-tca> It really is frustrating to see it in the menus and then have it gone for the final release.
[18:58] <AlanBell> charlie-tca: lets get a screenshot of it in documentation somewhere
[18:59] <charlie-tca> of the menu item?
[19:00] <AlanBell> yes
[19:00] <charlie-tca> Okay, I can attach screenshots to the bugs
[19:01] <charlie-tca> Unfortunately, all that shows after the patch is pushed is that I added it to my menus, doesn't it?
[19:01] <AlanBell> I meant other documentation, there will be screenshots of the unity menu in documentation the docs team manage
[19:04] <skaet> AlanBell, charlie-tca - do you have some specifics about which Ubuntu patch causes the clobber in the other releases?
[19:04] <AlanBell> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/onboard/oneiric/changes?filter_file_id=01_disable_menu_icon-20100414061233-bk6cf6sdsaty3jr8-1
[19:05] <AlanBell> one sec, let me work out a more sensible link than that one
[19:07] <skaet> AlanBell, yes please
[19:07] <charlie-tca> http://tinyurl.com/3uz5h6k
[19:07] <AlanBell> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/onboard/natty/files/head:/debian/patches/
[19:07] <AlanBell> so that is the natty patch that takes it out of the menu
[19:09] <skaet> thanks AlanBell,  that one makes a bit more sense.
[19:13] <AlanBell> looks like the patch was added in Rev 22 and removed in Rev 28
[19:22] <skaet> AlanBell, we'll probably need to get pitti involved to help sort this out.   Probably best to wait until after B1 goes out and then bring it up, unless there's a reason its time critical right now?
[19:25] <AlanBell> not time critical, just don't want the patch to slip back in at the last minute!
[19:26] <AlanBell> and it would be nice to do an SRU removal for the supported distros
[19:27] <AlanBell> right now it looks good for Oneiric, UI freeze is today so it should stay there
[19:28] <AlanBell> charlie-tca: UI freeze being the reason to get it in the documentation :)
[19:28] <charlie-tca> I can run a Ubuntu install and get shots of it.
[19:29] <charlie-tca> But if it doesn't stay, the docs will get bugs against them too, for being wrong
[19:29] <AlanBell> exactly
[19:29] <charlie-tca> We will try it


[02:53] <bddebian> Heya
[10:01] <cbx33> ping ogra sent you a mail....
[10:01] <cbx33> comments please when yo uare available
[10:01] <cbx33> I need a little guidence before I can continue
[12:39] <willvdl> ola
[12:41] <highvoltage> 'ola
[01:38] <juliux> hi, can somebody test something with the ltsp-build-client skript?
[01:43] <cbx33> ping ogra
[01:50] <ogra> cbx33, pong
[01:51] <ogra> juliux, whats wrong ?
[01:51] <cbx33> ogra: did you get my mail?
[01:51] <ogra> cbx33, yep
[01:51] <cbx33> cool
[01:51] <cbx33> does it look ok?
[01:51] <ogra> cbx33, the idea was to have something like an SCP class we can import into either kind of frontend
[01:51] <cbx33> oh
[01:52] <cbx33> that's how I've done it
[01:52] <cbx33> but then
[01:52] <juliux> ogra, if i run the ltps-build-client with the --mirror option and i added my mirror with the name and not the ip, i get an error that it can resolve the name
[01:52] <cbx33> how will that work if we're aiming for this multiple server control
[01:53] <ogra> the class should only provide the functions ...
[01:54] <ogra> what i mean is that you dont need an scp-backend ... but import the class into some kind of frontend .... be it curses, gtk or kde
[01:54] <cbx33> ok
[01:54] <ogra> look how Amaranth did it in  willow
[01:54] <cbx33> yeh i've done that....
[01:54] <Amaranth> oops
[01:55] <Amaranth> ogra: what's wrong with willowng in feisty?
[01:55] <cbx33> ogra: so....thats fine
[01:55] <ogra> i'm doing something similar to ltsp-manager atm
[01:55] <cbx33> but
[01:55] <cbx33> how is the multiple server control going to work?
[01:55] <Amaranth> other than the broken error pages
[01:55] <ogra> you will have a server tool that attaches to the class ....
[01:55] <Amaranth> and at least poke the gconf bits to make epiphany use it
[01:56] <ogra> to which you connect over the network
[01:56] <cbx33> ah right
[01:56] <cbx33> hmmm
[01:57] <cbx33> so we need to setup a port for it to communicate over etc
[01:57] <ogra> actually thats only another frontend but reading and writing is done from the net
[01:57] <cbx33> and design a protocol?
[01:57] <ogra> no
[01:57] <ogra> we have ssh
[01:57] <ogra> as the spec describes ...
[01:57] <cbx33> yeh, I kinda got lost a little....sorry
[01:57] <cbx33> I don't want to make the same mistake as I did last time
[01:58] <cbx33> if you remember
[01:58] <ogra> well, much of that was caused by the poor spec
[01:58] <cbx33> so
[01:58] <cbx33> how will the new gui
[01:58] <cbx33> contact the server backend on a remote server?
[01:58] <ogra> what i want to be able to do is have a script like that:
[01:59] <ogra> #!/usr/bin/python
[01:59] <ogra> import SCPClass
[01:59] <ogra> userlist=SCPClass.list_users()
[01:59] <ogra> print userlist
[02:00] <cbx33> yes that's how I've done it
[02:00] <ogra> now i can call the above script via ssh and will get the userlist returned
[02:01] <cbx33> oh i see
[02:01] <cbx33> ok....
[02:01] <cbx33> so....how is that script called?
[02:01] <ogra> pick a name :)
[02:01] <ogra> i really dont care ...
[02:01] <cbx33> where does the script reside
[02:01] <cbx33> or is it dynamically generated?
[02:02] <ogra> thats the script you write as network backend ...
[02:02] <Amaranth> oh, the config GUI is broken :/
[02:02] <cbx33> surely then I'd need many of these scripts?
[02:02] <highvoltage> ogra: I once asked a colluege what a host name should be for a machine, and he said "Pick a scientist", and I made the hostname 'pickascientist', so be careful what you tell people with little sleep :p
[02:02] <ogra> cbx33, nope ... just make one and add switches
[02:02] <cbx33> heheh
[02:02] <cbx33> ogra: ok
[02:02] <cbx33> that's what I thought
[02:02] <cbx33> excellent
[02:03] <cbx33> ok that's that sorted
[02:03] <cbx33> I'll be working on that tomrorow
[02:03] <cbx33> I think I can implement that without too much trouble
[02:03] <ogra> what i wanted to point out is that most if not all SCP related stuff should just be importable as a class or module
[02:03] <cbx33> yes
[02:03] <cbx33> it is
[02:04] <ogra> i'm fine with keeping the old name in the backends btw ...
[02:04] <cbx33> I'll send you the source if you're interested in what I've done so far....
[02:04] <cbx33> right ok
[02:04] <ogra> juliux, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/72482
[02:04] <ogra> i havent fixed that one yet
[02:04] <cbx33> oh and where is our docs for how to update a thinclient nfs root?
[02:05] <cbx33> ogra thanks again for all the help.....did my recommendations of what I can and can't do seem reasonable?
[02:05] <ogra> is the documentation ? beyond the release notes/upgrade notes ?
[02:05] <juliux> ogra, thxs
[02:05] <ogra> cbx33, well, why do you think the screen locking will be complicated ?
[02:05] <cbx33> the gui implementation won't
[02:05] <ogra> that should be one function and another button ... not more
[02:06] <cbx33> but I'm talking abotu the backend
[02:06] <cbx33> the vnx11 stuff
[02:06] <ogra> neither the backend ...
[02:06] <juliux> ogra, the funny thing is if i use de.archive.ubuntu.com then everything is ok, but if the dns entry is in /etc/hosts it fails
[02:06] <ogra> the screen locking has nothing to do with vnc
[02:06] <cbx33> oh
[02:06] <cbx33> screen locking no
[02:06] <cbx33> that could be a dbus call to the exec function to run the lock program right?
[02:06] <ogra> its only a call to gnome-screensaver-command --lock
[02:07] <cbx33> but....
[02:07] <cbx33> it can't be caled as the user
[02:07] <ogra> why ?
[02:07] <cbx33> else they'll be able to unlock
[02:07] <ogra> thats fine
[02:07] <cbx33> but isn't that pointless?
[02:07] <ogra> no
[02:07] <ogra> well, you culd set the gconf key if you urgently want them locked out ...
[02:07] <cbx33> explain
[02:08] <ogra> for now i'm fine with the option to block access ... if you teach and someone starts typing after you locked you knw he tries to unlock
[02:08] <cbx33> ok
[02:08] <ogra> if you have a better idea then feel free ...
[02:08] <cbx33> we'll implement like that for now
[02:09] <cbx33> do you want unlock too?
[02:09] <ogra> if possible, yes
[02:09] <ogra> that might need a script killing the g-ss daemon and restarting it ...
[02:10] <ogra> (not sure g-ss-command has an overriding function for the lock)
[02:11] <cbx33> hmmm
[02:12] <cbx33> would killing the gss not work?
[02:12] <cbx33> for now locking is most important
[02:13] <ogra> killing would indeed work, but is ugly
[02:13] <cbx33> in what way?
[02:13] <cbx33> we kill the clients session right?
[02:13] <ogra> no, you kill gnome-screensaver and start it again ... that will unlock ...
[02:14] <cbx33> oh
[02:14] <ogra> it doesnt touch the running session
[02:14] <Amaranth>   -d, --deactivate           If the screensaver is active then deactivate it (un-blank the screen)
[02:14] <cbx33> no i meant to log them out
[02:14] <Amaranth> gnome-screensaver-command -d
[02:14] <cbx33> we kill their session
[02:14] <ogra> Amaranth, not sure it works with locked screens
[02:15] <ogra> cbx33, why would you want to lock them out if you just want to unblank
[02:15] <ogra> s/lock/log/
[02:15] <Amaranth> ogra: it does
[02:15] <Amaranth> gnome-screensaver-command -a && sleep 10 && gnome-screensaver-command -d
[02:15] <ogra> ah, cool
[02:15] <Amaranth> that works
[02:15] <ogra> cbx33, ^^^
[02:15] <cbx33> excellent
[02:16] <ogra> so just call gnome-screensaver-command --lock/--deactivate
[02:16] <cbx33> ok excellent
[02:16] <Amaranth> there is no --lock
[02:16] <ogra> (use the long options in the script, so a coder doesnt need to look them up in the manpage)
[02:16] <Amaranth> it's -a/--activate
[02:17] <cbx33> ok
[02:17] <cbx33> there is no manpage
[02:17] <cbx33> is there?
[02:17] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~/python-ltsp$ LANG=C gnome-screensaver-command --help|grep lock
[02:17] <ogra>   -l, --lock                 Tells the running screensaver process to lock the screen immediately
[02:17] <ogra> Amaranth, ^^
[02:17] <cbx33> yup works a treat
[02:17] <cbx33> gnome-screensaver-command -l && sleep 10 && gnome-screensaver-command -d
[02:17] <Amaranth> ah
[02:18] <Amaranth> --activate probably won't do it if you've got something calling inhibit
[02:18] <ogra> right
[02:18] <Amaranth> and --lock says "screw that, we're locking down" :)
[02:18] <Amaranth> isn't all of this just a wrapper around the dbus api?
[02:18] <cbx33> it would be nice to have
[02:18] <cbx33> -l <password>
[02:18] <cbx33> hehe
[02:19] <ogra> well, then you need to hack pam
[02:19] <cbx33> screw it
[02:19] <cbx33> at least for now anyway
[02:19] <cbx33> ;)
[02:19] <cbx33> I have too much else to worry about
[02:19] <cbx33> i thought about running it as another user...
[02:19] <cbx33> but that probably wouldn't work would it
[02:19] <ogra> that gets very tricky
[02:19] <cbx33> yeh
[02:20] <ogra> dbus wont like it and yu need to fiddle around with xauth
[02:20] <cbx33> ok we'll stick with this for now
[02:20] <cbx33> yeh
[02:21] <cbx33> assistance applet will be ok, just need to possibly implement a seperate part of the bus
[02:21] <cbx33> so that clients can write back to it
[02:21] <ogra> do you have our priority list we made last meeting ?
[02:21] <cbx33> for SCP?
[02:21] <ogra> i thought the applet was low prio
[02:21] <cbx33> no, I was at BETT, will go checking for minutes
[02:21] <cbx33> ok
[02:22] <cbx33> good
[02:22] <cbx33> ;)
[02:22] <ogra> cbx33, you and me had a 1h meeting where we went over the spec, remember ?
[02:22] <cbx33> oh
[02:22] <cbx33> yes...sorry
[02:22] <ogra> way before BETT
[02:22] <cbx33> i thought you meant edubuntu meeting
[02:22] <ogra> nope
[02:22] <ogra> btw
[02:22] <ogra> willvdl, ping
[02:23] <willvdl> ogra pong
[02:23] <ogra> willvdl, i wont be able to make the meeting tonight, can you run it ?
[02:23] <willvdl> sure.
[02:23] <ogra> RichEd is still at LCA ... so it might be pretty quiet anyway .... artwork and doc centric
[02:23] <willvdl> RichEd also away at LCA so I guess it's an SCP, doc and artwork meeting :)
[02:24] <willvdl> snap
[02:24] <cbx33> because I don't have it here, it's at home....what bits are of high priority
[02:24] <ogra> right ...
[02:24] <ogra> not sure what kind of tech stuff rodarvus wants to tell though
[02:24] <Amaranth> @now Chicago
[02:24] <Ubugtu> Current time in America/Chicago: January 17 2007, 07:24:33
[02:24] <ogra> cbx33, i dont have it here either, will need to dig the logs ...
[02:24] <Amaranth> meh, it's supposed to show the next meeting
[02:24] <Amaranth> @schedule Chicago
[02:25] <Amaranth> i give up
[02:25] <cbx33> ok
[02:25] <Amaranth> what time is the meeting?
[02:25] <ogra> Amaranth, tonight at 20:00 UTC
[02:25] <Amaranth> 4pm local time then
[02:25] <ogra> we always have alternating 12:00 and 20:00 UTC
[02:25] <ogra> every wed.
[02:25] <Amaranth> yeah, i don't make it to enough meetings to remember that :)
[02:27] <cbx33> ogra, ok I'll do server/multiple blank/lock, generalisation and filtering
[02:27] <cbx33> as top priority
[02:27] <ogra> is there a difference between multiple/single ?
[02:27] <ogra> i wouldnt think so
[02:27] <cbx33> not really
[02:27] <ogra> right
[02:28] <ogra> that should be based on the selection
[02:28] <cbx33> hmm
[02:28] <cbx33> yeh
[02:28] <cbx33> so the calls to the functions, instead of importing and using locally will be routed to ssh
[02:28] <cbx33> if you're on multiple
[02:28] <cbx33> for now, we're just administrating one remote server right?
[02:29] <cbx33> or the local one
[02:30] <ogra> yes, for feisty thast enough ... but the opportunity for more needs to be there
[02:30] <cbx33> well, yes, that'll require some rewriting
[02:30] <ogra> the frontend should have the opportunity to switch between servers (at least at some point) so that should be prepared in your code
[02:30] <cbx33> switching between servers will be implemented
[02:30] <cbx33> should be in feisty
[02:31] <ogra> great
[02:31] <cbx33> but administering multiple servers from one gui was what I was thinking
[02:31] <ogra> that will need a new gui design
[02:31] <ogra> which we should do in feisty+1
[02:32] <cbx33> ok
[02:32] <cbx33> so...
[02:32] <cbx33> are we going to get vnc in this version?
[02:33] <ogra> not sure, .... if i find the time for it ...
[02:33] <cbx33> ok
[02:33] <cbx33> people were very keen for that at BETT ;)
[02:33] <cbx33> if I have the time I will look into it
[02:33] <ogra> te script is described in the old spec ... feel free to try to write it if you want
[02:34] <cbx33> heh, i will
[02:35] <ogra> since x11vnc has no initscript which could clash with a self written one, you can as well copy one in place by yourself
[02:35] <ogra> which should solve the x11vnc issue
[02:35] <cbx33> ooooo.....k....
[02:36] <cbx33> so basically....we need to...
[02:37] <cbx33> start the x11vnc
[02:37] <cbx33> and then in the gui...connect to that vnc session
[02:39] <cbx33> http://tocm.blogspot.com/2005_11_01_archive.html - look at the top post
[02:41] <ogra> thats nice
[02:42] <cbx33> yeh
[02:42] <ogra> try to find that code
[02:42] <cbx33> but there's no link to anything
[02:42] <ogra> mail him ?
[02:42] <cbx33> no email address
[02:42] <cbx33> oh ang on
[02:42] <cbx33> nope
[02:43] <cbx33> what do you think i'd look for if I were to do it from scratch
[02:45] <ogra> try with a comment ... the blog has a comment space
[02:45] <cbx33> ok
[02:46] <ogra> ad he seems active in LKML
[02:46] <cbx33> cool
[02:46] <cbx33> I'll give him a contact
[02:48] <cbx33> anthony.printf at codemonkey.scanf.ws minus syscalls
[02:48] <cbx33> hahaha
[02:48] <ogra> http://lbpp.sourceforge.net/
[02:48] <ogra> might be the same guy
[02:50] <cbx33> ok mailing now
[02:52] <cbx33> http://virt-manager.et.redhat.com/codestructure.html
[02:53] <ogra> thats for xen ?
[02:53] <ogra> or vmware ?
[02:54] <ogra> uh, ugly, it abuses vnc2swf
[02:54] <cbx33> yes
[02:54] <cbx33> i saw that too
[02:54] <cbx33> http://virt-manager.et.redhat.com/screenshots/guest-console.png
[02:56] <cbx33> actually I don;t know if it is as bad as we thought
[02:56] <cbx33> oh
[02:56] <cbx33> yes it is
[03:22] <Amaranth> what? they use gtkmozembed and vnc2swf?
[03:23] <cbx33> mozembed isn't in the vnc viewer
[03:23] <cbx33> but vnc2swf maybe
[03:23] <cbx33> though I can find no mention of swf in the rfb.py and vnc.py
[03:25] <cbx33> think I may giv this a go
[03:26] <cbx33> seems like it may be fairly easy to implement as a first test anyway
[03:29] <cbx33> what ya think ogra worth a shot?
[03:29] <cbx33> library seems fairly complete from that virt-manager thing
[03:30] <ogra> as long as you dont need any universe stuff do what you want ...
[03:31] <cbx33> well....I can just copy the code out can't I?
[03:32] <ogra> if its not packaged anywhere in ubuntu, yes
[03:33] <cbx33> cool
[03:33] <cbx33> I will look
[03:33] <cbx33> can't see it anywhere
[03:33] <cbx33> so I'll just rip out the code for the python vnc and try it out
[03:33] <cbx33> ;)
[03:33] <ogra> but keep an eye on it ... if its packaged once we shouldnt duplicate the code, then you need to depend on it
[03:34] <cbx33> yeh
[03:45] <g333k_work> hello, is it possible configure autologin un edubuntu?
[03:55] <ogra_> g333k_work, thats the third day you are asking it ... the answer didnt change: yes, via gdm but then you loose local device support
[03:56] <ogra_> ldm doesnt have autologin yet
[03:56] <ogra_> (patches accepted though)
[04:02] <yamama> what is edubuntu ??
[04:04] <cbx33> ogra: dude, I have just ran a vnc session inside a python widget
[04:05] <cbx33> I hacked up their code a bit
[04:05] <cbx33> and...well....it works
[04:12] <g333k_work> ogra, noup... I realized that ubuntu edgy + ltsp 5 use LDM, and is not possible to do the autologin thing :(
[04:20] <ogra> g333k_work, only if you use gdm ... but since we dont support unencrypted connections by default in ltsp5 in ubuntu there is no work gone into localdev support yet
[04:20] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:20] <ogra> hi sbalneav
[04:20] <sbalneav> Hey ogra!
[04:20] <cbx33> ogra: ok it works.....but the resize isn't implemented
[04:21] <cbx33> for the frame buffer
[04:21] <ogra> cbx33, hmm, so no tiled overview yet then...
[04:21] <cbx33> not yet
[04:21] <ogra> thats fine for a start
[04:21] <cbx33> yeh
[04:21] <cbx33> but I want that tiled overview
[04:21] <cbx33> this code is pretty slick
[04:22] <cbx33> but most of the code has
[04:22] <cbx33> raise NotImplementError
[04:22] <cbx33> grrr
[04:22] <cbx33> I mean t's possible that I can hack up the code to get it to work
[04:23] <ogra> dtrask was very keen on getting it in.. but if we cat make it in time we simply cant ...
[04:23] <ogra> s/cat/cant/
[04:23] <cbx33> hmm...so basically.....we need to read in the screen and resize....that's pretty intensive
[04:24] <ogra> it doesn tneed to be realtime ...
[04:24] <cbx33> no....I know
[04:24] <ogra> the tiles can be screenshots
[04:24] <cbx33> taken every 10 secs or so
[04:24] <cbx33> basically I don't know enough about the technology to do it
[04:24] <cbx33> but
[04:24] <cbx33> I'm willing to try and learn
[04:24] <cbx33>   def resize_screen(self, width, height):    raise NotImplementedError
[04:25] <ogra> you use a nonblocking child process ...
[04:25] <cbx33> yeh that's not the issue
[04:26] <ogra> cool would be to have an effect like a tooltip on mouse over that shows the realtime screen in a frameless popup in a suitable size ...
[04:26] <ogra> but i suspect that will slow down everything
[04:27] <cbx33> flippin eck ogra give us a chance
[04:29] <willvdl> :)
[04:37] <cbx33> ogra: managed to resize the window.....but not rescale it
[04:37] <cbx33> can vnc viewer request a size fomr the server?
[04:42] <cbx33> doesn't look like it
[04:48] <cbx33> bbl
[05:37] <cbx33> ogra, I think I've isolated a section of code I can use
[05:38] <cbx33> I don;t know how performance will be, but we'll have to see that later ;)
[05:43] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[05:44] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[07:25] <Laser_away> cbx33: jabber
[07:28] <cbx33> Laser_away, bbiab dude
[07:28] <cbx33> dinner
[07:28] <Laser_away> np
[07:56] <cbx33> ogra, I've done it
[07:56] <cbx33> seriously
[07:56] <cbx33> I have a 3 second updating screenshot
[07:56] <cbx33> that is resized
[07:56] <cbx33> took about 2 hours to research and hack up
[07:56] <cbx33> I'll send you a demo
[08:00] <LaserJock> cbx33: bbl
[08:00] <cbx33> LaserJock,
[08:00] <cbx33> hi
[08:00] <cbx33> oh
[08:00] <cbx33> you........dang it
[08:00] <cbx33> I'm here now
[08:18] <juliux> cbx33, no meeting today?
[08:21] <cbx33> yup
[08:21] <cbx33> in 40 mins
[08:21] <cbx33> willvdl is charing
[08:22] <cbx33> chairing
[08:22] <cbx33> as ogra isn't able to attend
[08:35] <cbx33> hey willvdl
[08:59] <willvdl> hey
[08:59] <highvoltage> ahoy
[09:01] <willvdl> edubuntu meeting?
[09:03] <willvdl> [09:53] <stormchas3r> its been awhile since i set edubuntu server up.  Can you guys please point me in the right direction on configuring the server to accept thin clients and all?
[10:03] <willvdl> stormchas3r, www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted
[10:04] <stormchas3r> ty
[10:05] <stormchas3r> has much changed in 6.10 for the server side?
[10:06] <cbx33> nope
[10:06] <cbx33> dhcp is dopne for iirc
[10:07] <LaserJock> cya cbx33
[10:07] <cbx33> nn LaserJock #
[10:08] <stormchas3r> o wow, its been awhile cbx33, remember me?
[10:31] <bddebian> LaserJock: I shouldn't have an issue updating an edubuntu install to a "normal" install should I?
[10:33] <LaserJock> heh
[10:33] <LaserJock> it's basically a normal install +
[10:34] <bddebian> Aye
[10:35] <LaserJock> you did an LTSP server install?
[10:35] <bddebian> No, just a Edgy Live -> Install
[10:36] <LaserJock> oh
[10:36] <LaserJock> then yeah, it's darn near the same thing
[10:36] <bddebian> OK
[10:36] <LaserJock> install ubuntu-* and remove edubuntu-* and you pretty much have it
[10:38] <bddebian> Got it, thanks man
[10:58] <pips1> willvdl: hullo
[10:58] <willvdl> pips1, good to have you back
[10:58] <pips1> what time friday?
[10:59] <willvdl> I am UTC+2 i think, you?
[10:59] <pips1> UTC+1
[10:59] <pips1> morning or afternoon?
[10:59] <willvdl> morning or afternoon?
[10:59] <pips1> heh
[10:59] <willvdl> snap :)
[11:00] <pips1> morning
[11:00] <willvdl> morning is best
[11:00] <willvdl> my 12 is your 11am? or earlier?
[11:00] <pips1> correct
[11:00] <pips1> 10 UTC then?
[11:00] <willvdl> goo for you?
[11:01] <pips1> yep
[11:01] <willvdl> excellent
[11:01] <willvdl> just want to chat wiki/website
[11:02] <pips1> ok, I'll talk to you fri 10 UTC, here
[11:02] <pips1> see you then!
[11:03] <willvdl> ciao
[11:03] <pips1> it was an informative meeting... I will want to know more about your/doc-team thoughts too
[11:03] <willvdl> cool. there are a lot :)
[11:04] <pips1> regarding the whole categorisation/name spaces thing..
[11:04] <pips1> ok, got to go, cu
[11:25] <nixternal> ogra: sorry to here about Fred. I know the feeling as I just lost my dog after 11 years on Thanksgiving Day. It is tough, but at least his suffering is over. My thoughts and prayers are with you!
[11:25] <ogra> thanks a lot
[11:26] <nixternal> that is 3 dev pooches in a row, first jono, then me, and now you :(
[11:26] <nixternal> it sucks big time
[11:26] <nixternal> my mom picked up another pooch, or devil I should say, he can never be a replacement, but he did help a little with the grieving process
[11:27] <ogra> well, it wasnt really unexpected ... 16 is very old and i said goodbye since months already
[11:27] <nixternal> ya, he gave you 16 good years though, that is awesome
[11:27] <ogra> yeah
[11:27] <nixternal> holly was 11 when she went
[11:28] <ogra> thats early ...
[11:28] <ogra> but if the body doesnt want anymore you can hardly do anything
[11:28] <nixternal> a little early yes, but they think she was born with a heart condition, she was about 2 to 3 years early for a malteze
[11:29] <ogra> he still didnt want to go ... the vet had to give an extra shot which is very unusual she said ... but he would have starved to death if i wouldnt have decided it now ...
[11:30] <nixternal> wow, definitely a fighter then. our dog was eventually going to do the same thing with starvation
[11:30] <nixternal> she wouldn't eat for anything, and wouldn't even eat her favorite, chicken and ham
[11:30] <nixternal> or a mcdonald's french fry for that matter
[11:30] <ogra> as weak as he was he did his round through the garden with me, even 30mon before i had to give him the sleeping pills
[11:31] <nixternal> gave you one last walk, that's cool
[11:31] <ogra> yeah, fred stopped eating last friday ...
[11:32] <ogra> and nothing could convnce him ....
[11:32] <nixternal> ya, same exact here
[11:33] <nixternal> well, now there are 3 new friends where ever they go after life on earth, but I can guarantee holly is being a prissy little one and not wanting to play :)
[11:34] <ogra> yeah
[11:34] <nixternal> the only thing holly played with was my cat, and would play around with my pitbull every now and then when feeling frisky
[11:34] <ogra> fred only played with his mom ... he never got why he should play with humans or other dogs
[11:35] <nixternal> the new dog and the pitbull aren't friends yet, the little dog wants to eat the pitbull
[11:36] <nixternal> ya, our new dog plays with everyone and everything, holly didn't play much except if the kids were around
[11:36] <nixternal> i have a 100+ pound pit bull that is terrified on a 5 pound yorkshire terrier
[11:37] <nixternal> crazy
[11:37] <ogra> yeah
[11:37] <nixternal> when the little one comes around, the pitbull will jump on a couch or bed because he knows nikki the little one can't get up there and get him
[11:59] <LaserJock> ogra: will there be re-evaluation of specs at the sprint next week?
[11:59] <LaserJock> like last time


[03:26] <cicadas> hello
[03:27] <cicadas> does anyone knows how to join the ubuntu translate team?
[23:08] <L1n0x> helloi searching for 1 c++ Programmer for a small projekt


[07:56] <SuperMatt> good morning
[07:58] <MooDoo> howdy all
[07:58] <SuperMatt> yo
[07:58] <MooDoo> how are you SuperMatt ?
[07:58] <SuperMatt> fine thanks, had a lovely weekend
[07:59] <MooDoo> excellent :)
[07:59] <SuperMatt> yourself?
[08:00] <MooDoo> yeah not too bad, just recently moved so clearing out boxes lol
[08:01] <SuperMatt> I have no plans of moving for a vert long time
[08:02] <SuperMatt> I've been living in my place for 2 years now, and it's the longest I've lived in a single place since moving out of my parent's home
[08:02] <MooDoo> gone from a 2 bed to a 3 bed and it's a lot better for us all
[08:31] <SuperMatt> I think if/when the wife and I have a kid, I'm going for the procedure to make sure I can't have another
[08:33] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: i did that in jan
[09:33] <diplo> Morning all
[09:50] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:53] <zmoylan-pi> morning mammals
[09:54] <SuperMatt> BLEEP BLOOP ENGAGE MAMMAL GREETING: Hello, world!\n
[11:25] <ali1234> how does get-iplayer still work...?
[11:47] <diddledan> magic!
[11:48] <brobostigon> the gathering.
[11:49] <diddledan> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x48csz4
[12:05] <m0nkey_> I think I'll fix the Apple root bug today and install Ubuntu on it :)  I'd go with FreeBSD, but the WiFi is not recognised.
[12:09] <brobostigon> what about openbsd?
[12:10] <m0nkey_> Wifi still not recognised
[12:11] <brobostigon> ok.
[12:11] <brobostigon> i bet it uses a closed fw blob then.
[12:12] <m0nkey_> Yeah, some broadcom thing
[12:12] <brobostigon> oh dear.
[12:14] <brobostigon> http://firmware.openbsd.org/firmware/6.2/ bwi fw for boradcom wifi, install using fw_update
[12:14] <brobostigon> broadcom*
[12:15] <m0nkey_> Does the FW also cover the bluetooth?
[12:16] <m0nkey_> Because I'm willing to give OpenBSD a go if things will work :)
[12:17] <brobostigon> bluetooth more or less doesnt work in openbsd, never has properly.
[13:10] <daftykins> tech best ignored :)
[13:11] <zmoylan-pi> stick with irda :-)
[13:12] <daftykins> ignore all wireless!
[13:12] <zmoylan-pi> i send info between devices using qr codes... technically that's wireless... :-)
[13:13] <daftykins> woohoo window guys have been for the last time, so it's just my painting left to do - and the day is wet so i can't do any on the outside, what a shame!
[18:49]  * diddledan peeks-in through daftykins new windows
[18:49] <diddledan> daftykins: use linux!
[19:11] <daftykins> i'll need more than a kernel to paint these, sir
[19:47]  * zmoylan-pi positions the orbital space laser and waits till daftykins gets amazon key so i can have big box of corn kernels delivered... :-)
[19:50] <daftykins> ;)
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> it may not be original but it is a classic....
[20:04] <Nokaji> I have a slighlty non-functional qbittorent  no SEARCH results), just noticed it is v3.3.1 which puts it Dec2015, latest is Dec2017 v4.0.2 - wondering how to fix and whether a more recent version, if available would help?
[20:05] <daftykins> what are you expecting to search?
[20:05] <Nokaji> I have green icon for ONLINE, d/l's torrents fine, have set it up in firewall and router
[20:06] <Nokaji> it has a torrent searchh facility so should return a result for any available torrent ... just tried "beatles" as I recall that being a high return
[20:06] <daftykins> sounds a bit too piracy related for here.
[20:06] <Nokaji> I don't want beatles anything, just a functioning SEARCH
[20:08] <Nokaji> torrents are perfectly legit
[20:08] <daftykins> -_-
[20:08] <Nokaji> torrent /= piracy
[20:09] <daftykins> of course, but when you come in here saying you're searching for torrents of the Beatles, then it clearly is piracy
[20:09] <Nokaji> I downloaded a sample debian at 1,000 thingies
[20:09] <daftykins> at least have the nerve to admit what you're up to, you're not the first
[20:09] <Nokaji> only if I d/l aforementioned torrent, which as I don't care for the beatles,am unlikely to do
[20:09] <daftykins> not much need for search then :)
[20:09] <Nokaji> I repeat, I'm doing nothing wrong
[20:10] <Nokaji> if there were no need then I wouldn't be asking, would I?
[20:10] <daftykins> users don't often apply logic to many actions, so you'd be surprised
[20:10] <Nokaji> and nobody would build a search function
[20:10] <daftykins> for example running outdated software and wondering if it should be current
[20:11] <daftykins> totally moot, you could find torrents for Linux distros on the sites of origin
[20:11] <Nokaji> obviously
[20:11] <daftykins> now, are you going to stop protesting innocence and get on with it? :)
[20:12] <Nokaji> no idea what you are talking about - you are the one being falsely accusatory
[20:12] <diddledan> have you considered that your ISP might have the torrent search engine on it's blacklist?
[20:12] <diddledan> try visiting the engine directly
[20:12] <m0nkey_> VPNs people. VPNS!
[20:12] <Nokaji> if you want to call ubuntu a piracy o/s then feel free cuz I got it form their repositries
[20:13] <m0nkey_> And no, diddledan.   - Seems I'm well on the way to fixing it already
[20:37] <Nokaji> lol
[20:41] <daftykins> amazing what a search engine can do
[20:46] <diddledan> popey: flexiondotorg: if either of you are about: https://github.com/snapcrafters/corebird/pull/19
[20:46] <zmoylan-pi> i know i always bing for information first :-P
[20:47] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: you google with bing?!
[20:47] <zmoylan-pi> no no, i yahoo with bing
[20:47] <zmoylan-pi> i used to ask jeeves with alta vista but that was just crazy
[20:47] <zleap> i remember altavista
[20:48] <zleap> back in the 90's
[20:48] <daftykins> :)
[20:48] <zmoylan-pi> for me it was yahoo -> alltheweb -> google
[20:51] <zmoylan-pi> currently on duckduckgp
[20:51] <zmoylan-pi> *duckduckgo
[21:39] <diddledan> ok. should I go with kvm or virtualbox? I really want the ability for the system to start VMs at bootup so I'm thinking kvm would be best?
[21:39] <diddledan> I do wanna run Windows tho
[21:40] <daftykins> as a guest?
[21:40] <diddledan> yes
[21:42] <daftykins> which machine is this?
[21:43] <diddledan> my main desktop
[21:44] <daftykins> oh yeah didn't you have an i7-6700 too?
[21:44] <diddledan> yup
[21:45] <diddledan> that one
[21:52] <m0nkey_> diddledan: Both can do it
[21:52] <m0nkey_> I think Vbox ships with a rc script to suspend/resume VMs
[21:52] <m0nkey_> Or if you're using libvirtd, just set the VM to boot at start using virsh.
[21:53] <m0nkey_> libvirtd supports both vbox and kvm
[21:53] <diddledan> aah nice
[21:53] <diddledan> I didn't know libvirt supported vbox
[21:53] <m0nkey_> https://libvirt.org/drvvbox.html
[23:58] <popey> diddledan: done, after flailing around in github
[23:58] <diddledan> :-)


[15:00] <rockstar> #startmeeting
[15:00] <MootBot> rockstar, There is already a meeting in progress.
[15:01] <rockstar> Why is there already a meeting in progress?
[15:01] <rockstar> #endmeeting
[15:01] <rockstar> #startmeeting
[15:01] <MootBot> rockstar, There is already a meeting in progress.
[15:01] <gary_poster> heh
[15:01] <rockstar> Alright, so MootBot sucks.
[15:01] <sinzui> I think someone need to pull HAL's memory
[15:02] <rockstar> Hi everyone.  I'm chairing today's reviewer's meeting since bac is travelling the world this week.
[15:02] <rockstar> Who's here?
[15:02] <adeuring1> me
[15:02] <gary_poster> me
[15:02] <henninge> ,e
[15:02] <sinzui> me
[15:02] <henninge> me, even
[15:02] <abentley> me
[15:02] <salgado> me
[15:03] <rockstar> 6 people huh?
[15:03] <gary_poster> I pinged leonardr and mars
[15:03] <abentley> rockstar: I can pretend to be two people, if you like.
[15:03] <leonardr> me
[15:03] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs, meeting?
[15:03] <allenap> me
[15:03] <rockstar> abentley, if you were on another team, that might help.  As it stands, you're usually the only code guy here anyway.  :)
[15:04] <gary_poster> ...and there were eight...
[15:04] <deryck> me
[15:04] <flacoste> me
[15:04] <not-abentley> me
[15:04] <mars> me
[15:04] <gary_poster> heh
[15:04] <rockstar> Alright, let's not sit and wait for the folks who couldn't remember the meeting that happens at the same time every week.
[15:05] <rockstar> Here's the past actions from last week
[15:05] <rockstar> Sinzui to investigate making lint check for the Storm 'in' gotcha
[15:05] <rockstar> HenningE to add a note to the PSG about the use of any
[15:05] <sinzui> No progress yet
[15:05] <rockstar> I suspect bac didn't finish that past action, but that henninge knows what it ends with.
[15:05] <henninge> I did that
[15:06] <rockstar> bac to work with mars regarding a slow introduction of new reviewer points regarding the ArchitectureGuide. (undone)
[15:06] <jelmer> me
[15:06] <rockstar> henninge, hooray! You get a gold star.
[15:06] <henninge> rockstar: it's about the "any" function ;-)
[15:06] <rockstar> henninge, ah, okay. Well, I guess it was a finished statement.  :)
[15:07] <rockstar> Okay, we're 1 for 3 on finishing items.
[15:07] <rockstar> Mentat report!
[15:07] <rockstar> So, I talked with bac and sinzui about this, but I think it's high time henninge graduates as a UI reviewer.
[15:08] <rockstar> salgado, how's mentat life?
[15:08]  * henninge is excited!
[15:08] <salgado> going fine so far
[15:09] <rockstar> Okay.  I guess that's it for that part of the agenda.
[15:09] <rockstar> New items
[15:09] <rockstar> Make all reviewers a UI mentat similar to the way we do javascript reviews. (lifeless)
[15:10] <abentley> rockstar: do not want.
[15:10] <rockstar> So, this is not new.  It has been entirely acceptable to get UI reviews from two non-UI reviewers.  It's been that way since the 3.0 work.
[15:11] <rockstar> It's just a PITA to get wrangle more people to do UI reviews.
[15:11] <rockstar> abentley, I am curious why you don't want to be a UI reviewer.
[15:11] <mars> rockstar, do, as in, become a reviewer?
[15:11] <jelmer> rockstar: As I understand it it's ok to get two UI reviews from UI mentats, not necessarily from non-UI reviewers.
[15:11] <sinzui> Its a PITA to get people who want to become a full UI reviewer
[15:11] <sinzui> there isnt a queue for this
[15:11] <rockstar> sinzui, yes, that's true too.
[15:12] <abentley> rockstar: I don't want to go through another training process, I don't want to have to do more reviews.
[15:12] <sinzui> We supposed that the JS/UI team would all becomes reviewers. Most scared to the four winds when the meeting was abandoned
[15:12] <rockstar> jelmer, we've kinda strayed from it, but during the 3.0 work, we needed UI reviews A LOT, and so everyone became a "mentat"
[15:12] <abentley> rockstar: I don't think that I have especially good visual design skills.
[15:12] <rockstar> sinzui, they were scaring that way before the meeting was abandoned.
[15:13] <rockstar> abentley, and you have no desire to develop good visual design skills?
[15:13] <jelmer> rockstar: I didn't know that, thanks.
[15:13] <abentley> rockstar: there are many things more important to me than that.
[15:13] <mars> sounds fair
[15:13] <sinzui> abentley, While I do not know your skills, I have raised a similar point with beuno. Most of use were hired for code design skills, not UI design
[15:13] <rockstar> Anyone else have opinions?  I can bring these thoughts up in the AsiaPac meeting as well.
[15:14] <mars> rockstar, the way I do it now is I say "You need a UI review - as rockstar or sinzui"
[15:14] <mars> rockstar, will that process change?
[15:14] <mars> how will people's expectations for UI reviews change?
[15:15] <rockstar> mars, yeah, that's a good question.
[15:15] <mars> how will the way they ask for them change, and will they expect something different from their reviewer in return?
[15:15] <rockstar> The 3.0 UI still wasn't consistent.  The mentat/mentee process makes it so that we at least get a *ahem* "trickle down" affect.
[15:15] <mars> different from their currently-code-only reviewer
[15:16] <mars> rockstar, so you are asking, if everyone became a UI mentee, would quality suffer?
[15:17] <mars> since the current process is a self-selecting one
[15:17] <rockstar> mars, I'm not asking anything.  I'm "facilitating."
[15:17] <gary_poster> :-)
[15:17] <sinzui> mars, 3.0 did suffer by the 2-person-yes rule
[15:18] <sinzui> We landed dozens of pages without breadcrumbs and we did not discover that until weeks later
[15:19] <sinzui> I favour 2-person approval, but I think we still need some review to ensure we are not codifying convention as rules
[15:19] <mars> rockstar, do you know what lifeless' goal was in proposing this?
[15:20] <rockstar> mars, I think he wants every reviewer to be able to do any review.
[15:21] <rockstar> I started to propose a similar javascript review process, but I still don't feel like we, as a team, have a good understanding of javascript, so I backed off.
[15:21] <mars> ok, so
[15:21] <gary_poster> well, I assume he wants to get a higher throughput on our landing process
[15:21] <gary_poster> and guesses that this would help
[15:21] <rockstar> gary_poster, yeah, exactly.
[15:21] <mars> right
[15:21] <rockstar> Especially since there are no antipodean UI reviewers currently.
[15:21] <henninge> but will it help our UI quality?
[15:21] <gary_poster> ah, that's a big deal
[15:21] <sinzui> I do not think every engineer can be a UI reviewer.
[15:22] <mars> so it is just a way to do a light check-up, and defer the "qualified" review until later
[15:22] <mars> and you can land in the meantime
[15:22] <gary_poster> "can be" is a big statement, but I agree with sinzui's sentiment, if not the wording
[15:23] <deryck> if not for abilities as much as lack of desire to learn ;)
[15:23] <rockstar> Alright, I'll take this discussion to the AsiaPac meeting and see what happens.
[15:23] <gary_poster> right deryck :-)
[15:23] <rockstar> Peanut gallery, for anyone who wishes to throw peanuts.
[15:24]  * gary_poster eats a peanut instead
[15:24] <henninge> Are we on 2.6. now or not?
[15:24] <mars> no
[15:24] <gary_poster> I'll ask the losas about the pqm machine
[15:24] <gary_poster> that's the last hold out
[15:25] <rockstar> Awesome.
[15:25] <rockstar> Anything else?
[15:25] <rockstar> 5
[15:25] <rockstar> 4
[15:25] <rockstar> 3
[15:25] <bigjools> 6
[15:25] <rockstar> 2
[15:25] <rockstar> 1
[15:25] <henninge> 7?
[15:25] <rockstar> Okay, that's a wrap.  Thanks for coming everyone!
[15:25] <mars> thanks rockstar
[15:25] <henninge> rockstar: Thank you!
[15:25] <jelmer> thanks Paul
[15:26] <gary_poster> thank you


[00:51] <basketball> Why is my bug #1303230 still undecided
[01:16] <wgrant> basketball: You might want #ubuntu-bugs. This is the support channel for the Launchpad.net service, not for Ubuntu bug triage. But, in general, not all bugs have an importance set. It's not abnormal for things to be left Undecided.
[01:17] <basketball> ok thanks i just asked in there i cant print until it is fixed
[02:12] <basketball> wgrant,  how do i delete a bug
[02:12] <basketball> I fixed it
[02:12] <basketball> it was not a bug just a hardware issue
[02:12] <wgrant> basketball: Set the status to Invalid in all the rows of the table at the top.
[02:13] <basketball> wgrant,  do i say why anywhere
[02:14] <wgrant> basketball: I'd add a comment at the bottom of the page, yes.
[06:44] <jfi> is there some LP login issue actually? It fails with "Invalid OpenID transaction" (and yes I am sure about my credential)
[06:45] <bigjools> yeah it's broken
[06:45] <bigjools> wgrant is looking into it
[06:46] <wgrant> SSO is having some problems. I'm having a look, but nobody from the SSO team is awake.
[06:46] <jfi> ok, thanks for the information
[06:58] <wgrant> jfi: Should be happier now
[06:58] <wgrant> A secret didn't quite get changed everywhere.
[06:58] <jfi> wgrant, I confirm it works now. Thanks for your work.
[06:58] <wgrant> np
[16:07] <saiarcot895> Can Launchpad use ECDSA SSH keys?
[16:51] <Chicago> Try it... give them an ECDSA fingerprint and then look for it to be accepted.
[19:23] <jfi> Hello, I fail importing a git HEAD to a bzr branch: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/172373647/jfi-psensor-main_http.log
[19:23] <jfi> if I specify the branch name, it fails too: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/172374158/jfi-psensor-master.log
[19:25] <dobey> jfi: looks like the git server you're trying to import from, is broken
[19:27] <jfi> dobey, hum, that's not totally impossible, I am not a git guru (the git server is mine), but at least it behaves correctly with usual git command lines
[19:28] <dobey> jfi: read the error. it's claiming to support a feature it doesn't, which is what triggered the error
[19:29] <jfi> the claim is from the server not from the "bzr"?
[19:29] <dobey> jfi: if you want to try locally you can probably install the bzr-git plug-in
[19:29] <dobey> jfi: yes, bzr is trying to do something the server claims to support, but apparently does not
[19:30] <jfi> ok, at least I have a direction to investigate (server is a stock git from lucid)
[19:58] <dpippenger> I'm really struggling with the 2g size limits on my repo, is there anyone here who could help me?
[19:58] <pipedream> I asked and got more
[19:59] <pipedream> PPA exceeded its size limit (2222.00 of 2048.00 MiB). Ask a question in https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz/ if you need more space.
[19:59] <pipedream> was it jtaylor??
[19:59] <pipedream> no.... maybe not
[20:00] <dpippenger> ok, I'll give it a try
[20:01] <pipedream> Laura Czajkowski answered me there before. Could be one of many.https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/215359
[20:07] <cprov> dpippenger: did you open a question requesting more space ?
[20:07] <dpippenger> yes
[20:07] <dpippenger> just a few minutes ago
[20:42] <pipedream> post a link here, maybe somebody can assist
[21:06] <czajkowski> pipedream: someone will be on shortly and will be able to assist when they look at the answers on lp
[21:06] <czajkowski> wgrant: ^
[22:40] <jfi> dobey, did not find anything concret about a "list_dir" feature except git ls-files which is working. bzr-git is also failing. I switched the bzr import to git:// instead of http:// and it works... there is already a bug report about the "list_files" issue.


[06:13] <bhuvan> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/*-2005-11-[07,08] .txt contains 0 bytes, anybody looking into it ?
[06:13] <bhuvan> s/txt/html
[06:13] <bhuvan> and *-current.html too
[06:13] <Burgundavia> bhuvan, ping fabbione
[06:13] <bhuvan> ok
[06:51] <jsgotangco> hi!
[06:53] <Burgundavia> salut jsgotangco
[06:53] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: you're back :)
[06:53] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: do you use irssi?
[06:54] <Burgundavia> nope
[06:55] <Burgundavia> ctrl-pg up?
[06:55] <jsgotangco> no
[06:56] <bhuvan> alt+pgup ?
[06:56] <bhuvan> alt+1,2,3 ?
[06:57] <jsgotangco> nope
[06:58] <jsgotangco> bhuvan: hi btw
[06:58] <bhuvan> hello
[06:59] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, we almost have more than 2 hand fuls of people
[07:01] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, did you see what I /query-ed to you?
[07:02] <jsgotangco> no
[07:02] <jsgotangco> i don't know how to switch
[07:02] <jsgotangco> hehe
[07:02] <Burgundavia> hmm
[07:02] <jsgotangco> stupid irssi
[07:02] <jsgotangco> i'll move to x-chat
[07:02] <jsgotangco> brb
[07:05] <highvoltage> irssi stupid?
[07:06] <Burgundavia> I don't understand this facination with running Gnome and then running curses apps that are hard to use and totally non-discoverable
[07:07] <highvoltage> irssi is nice.
 1 <esc> 2 etc switches channels.
[07:07] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, as you were saying?
[07:07] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: <esc> 1 <esc> 2 etc switches channels.
[07:07] <highvoltage> (in irssi, in gnome-terminal)
[07:08] <highvoltage> irssi is very nice. i think xchat is equally good.
[07:08] <Burgundavia> I am probably going to move to xchat-gnome on my laptop
[07:08] <highvoltage> the big benefit for irssi is, you can run it in screen. so it's easy to run remotely.
[07:08] <jsgotangco> i like irssi.....
[07:10] <jsgotangco> highvoltage, esc doesn't work
[07:11] <jsgotangco> ah wait
[07:11] <jsgotangco> it works
[07:11] <jsgotangco> but i want continuous switching
[07:11] <jsgotangco> i did this before
[07:12] <Madpilot> one advantage of having your IRC client rolled into your web browser - no need to learn another set of commands just to switch between channels...
[07:13] <jsgotangco> Madpilot, that's pretty crappy if you ask me
 it works - it lets me surf & monitor IRC at the same time... and frankly, if I had to use XChat all the time I'd stop using IRC...
[07:20] <bhuvan> jsgotangco: <esc> pgup, <esc> pgdn works ?
[07:20] <jsgotangco> no
 1...<esc> n works
[07:22] <bhuvan> ok. i'm not used to irssi. i use centericq. but, alt+pgup, alt+pgdn seem to work though. i doubt something related to your specific setting though ?
[07:22] <jsgotangco> probably i'll just check it later
[07:23] <bhuvan> ok
[07:24] <jsgotangco> hmm interesting activity in Yelp lately
[07:24] <jsgotangco> Yelp upstream is getting quite chatty atm
[07:25] <Burgundavia> jsut noticed that myself
[07:25] <Burgundavia> quite pleased
[07:25] <Burgundavia> sweet, rb now has audio cd playback in cvs
[07:26] <Burgundavia> as well as podcast support
[07:29] <Madpilot> Rythymbox?
[07:30] <Burgundavia> ya
[07:36] <Madpilot> I just got an email via my wiki page - again - but this one was sort of cool - the guy emailing was a ww2 USAAF pilot, had 6000hrs flying in the war, and is trying Ubuntu now...
[07:36] <jsgotangco> ww2?
[07:36] <jsgotangco> wow
[07:39] <Madpilot> yeah, that makes the guy at least 75... good for him!
[07:43] <jsgotangco> hello Belutz @ubuntu.com
[07:49] <highvoltage> i think i should try centericq some time.
[07:49] <highvoltage> wow
[07:49] <jsgotangco> nice our workplace now has piped-in music
[07:49] <jsgotangco> what's better is that its currently playing rage against the machine
[07:49] <highvoltage> cool :)
[07:50] <bhuvan> highvoltage, interesting. imo, it's wonderful
[07:51] <rob^> hello
[07:51] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: piped in music that's actually worth listening to? wow... :)
[07:52] <jsgotangco> Madpilot, i'm working in a game studio now that's why
[07:54] <jsgotangco> wahaha the guys here are on crack
[07:54] <jsgotangco> we're actually playing slayer
[07:54] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[07:55] <rob^> so what does ubuntu membership get me now?
[07:55] <robitaille> @ubuntu.com email addresss...
[07:55] <rob^> how can I set that up?
[07:55] <jsgotangco> its automatic
[07:56] <jsgotangco> unless you haven't signed your CoC
[07:56] <rob^> i have
[07:56] <jsgotangco> well you should have<EMAIL_ADDRESS>by now forwarding to your default lp addy
[07:56] <rob^> so how can I find out what my email address is and how to access it?
[07:56] <rob^> can it be changed?
[07:56] <jsgotangco> rob^, its only a forwarder
[07:56] <rob^> jsgotangco, thought so
[07:57] <rob^> does changing your name in Edit Personal Details change what it is?
[07:57] <rob^> (the email address)
[07:57] <jsgotangco> i haven't really tried
[07:58] <robitaille> yes, if you change you preffered email address in LP will change the forwarding of your @ubuntu.com
[07:59] <robitaille> I have done it in the past, but it is a cron job, so it may take a hour to take effect.. (or 2)
[07:59] <rob^> I ment the @ubuntu.com email address, can I change whats before the @
[07:59] <robitaille> that I haven't tried...
[08:00] <rob^> hmm
[08:01] <jsgotangco> robbieboy sounds cute =)
[08:01] <jsgotangco> rob^, i think you could, mdke had a very bad lp name imo
[08:01] <rob^> heh
[08:01] <jsgotangco> i think he changed it
[08:01] <robitaille> actually, isn't his email address be<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[08:02] <jsgotangco> before it was gulliver8234 something
[08:03] <robitaille> ah  I see.  By theway, you can't try to test it from the same gmail account your are forwarding it to.  It will not work
[08:04] <rob^> hmm looks like it failed
[08:05] <rob^> maybe it takes a while to change, via a cron job or something
[08:05] <robitaille> like I said, it could take a hour before it worked;  when I got mine, that was the pattern when I experimented with a few things
[08:06] <rob^> I guess I'll just want and see what happens
[08:06] <robitaille> if you want to get elmo mad at you, delete all your email address from LP except your new @ubuntu.com address, then send yourself an email.  It will loop and he will get an error message :)
[08:06] <rob^> hehe
[08:06] <robitaille> been there, done that....
[08:07] <jsgotangco> hehe
[08:07] <jsgotangco> i guess lp is tied up with the smtp server
[08:47] <Burgundavia> rob^, robitaille yes you can
[08:47] <Burgundavia> change your lp name that is
[08:47] <Burgundavia> go to edit your details
[08:47] <Burgundavia> and edit that first bo
[08:47] <Burgundavia> x
[08:48] <Burgundavia> it is your email
[08:57] <rob^> so they are one in the same
[08:57] <Burgundavia> ya
[08:57] <Burgundavia> the box is labelled "Name"
[08:58] <Burgundavia> make certain you get that one, not the "Display Name" one
[08:58] <rob^> yeah, in Edit Details
[08:58] <rob^> yep
[09:01] <jsgotangco> press relesae?
[09:01] <Burgundavia> the db2 one
[09:01] <Burgundavia> it is a pdf
[09:01] <Burgundavia> and it doesn't render properly in evince
[09:03] <Madpilot> yeah, the logo at the bottom is fubar'd
[09:03] <Madpilot> it works in Acroread, though...
[09:04] <robitaille> also look pretty bad in Kghostview...
[09:04] <Burgundavia> bloody suse using marketing wonk
[09:04] <Burgundavia> actually, malcolm is a nice guy
[09:05] <robitaille> according to the comment in the pdf, it was produced with OOo2
[09:05] <robitaille> but OOo2 doesn't always export to pdf properly; I discovered that with my impress presentation last month.
[09:06] <Burgundavia> hmm
[09:06] <Burgundavia> you might want to mention that to him
[09:06] <Burgundavia> I think he is at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:08] <robitaille> I'll send him an email
[09:08] <Madpilot> Acroread is still the gold standard for PDF rendering, which is too bad...
[09:09] <robitaille> (and that's his correct email address)
[09:13] <jsgotangco> brb
[09:22] <robitaille> email to Malcom Yates  has been sent.
[09:25] <highvoltage> cool. i got<EMAIL_ADDRESS>judging by the amount of jonathan's in Ubuntu, i'm quite lucky :)
[09:26] <robitaille> I didn't even think of trying<EMAIL_ADDRESS> Judging by the number of daniel around, maybe that would have been too confusing from everyone
[09:26] <robitaille> and jdub is back!
[09:31] <Burgundavia> night all
[09:51] <rob^> how do I attach an attachment to the wiki?
[10:00] <robitaille> in the pull down menu (middle of the page nearf the top), select attachment
[10:00] <rob^> oh I see, thanks robitaille
[10:00] <robitaille> the "more actions" menu
[03:04] <jsgotangco> hello
[03:27] <jjesse> morning jsgotangco
[03:31] <jsgotangco> hi jjesse
[04:03] <jsgotangco> how do i upload a document in the wiki?
[04:42] <highvoltage> what should I add to the end of a wikipage to mark it for deletion again?
[05:02] <jsgotangco> good night
[05:09] <bhuvan> which tutorial i should study to quickly grasp the diff between various docbook versions, (4.1.2, 4.3, etc) ?
[05:28] <highvoltage> anyone have the rights to delete EdubuntuDocumentation/StepByStepLtspSetup ?
[05:29] <highvoltage> sorry, i see i can too.
[06:12] <bhuvan> mdke: ping
[06:41] <mdke> bhuvan, yes
[06:42] <mdke> highvoltage, there are no acl's on the wiki
[06:42] <bhuvan> wish to know whether you have gone through new w.u.c/ServerGuide ?
[06:42] <mdke> bhuvan, no, not yet
[06:43] <mdke> bhuvan, why?
[06:43] <bhuvan> fine, look at it when you get some time and give your feedbacks/corrections/suggestions
[06:43] <mdke> alright :)
[06:51] <mdke> jjesse, here?
[06:52] <jjesse> sometimes :)
[06:53] <mdke> jjesse, you are interested in getting kubuntu docs for BREEZY translated?
[06:53] <jjesse> its probablly too late for that ?
[06:53] <jjesse> but dapper i would
[06:54] <mdke> jjesse, ok cool. We will only upload docs for translation in dapper when they are finished
[06:55] <jjesse> mdke: that would be wonderful
[06:55] <mdke> no problem, if you are interested in breezy, you'll need to get permission to do an upload with the translations, it might be non-trivial because the current package has no translations, but if you want to investigate it with Riddell, I can help with Rosetta
[07:02] <jjesse> mdke: thanks i'll chat w/ riddell and see if he wants the packages for breezy into rosetta as well
[07:03] <mdke> cool
[07:47] <bhuvan> good night
[08:11] <janimo> http://www.ubuntu.com/community has pretty old info
[08:11] <janimo> re teams, member names etc.
[08:11] <janimo> is it superseded by another area of the site?
[08:12] <mdke_> janimo, no that's an integral part of the site
[08:12] <mdke_> janimo, it will be updated very soon
[08:14] <janimo> ok
[11:43] <geekchic9> hi, zenrox!


[15:00] <sil2100> o/
[15:01]  * slangasek waves
[15:02]  * infinity grunts.
[15:04] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jul  6 15:04:15 2017 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:04] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:05] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:05] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e doko bdmurray slangasek infinity sil2100 cyphermox tdaitx xnox mwhudson rbalint rcj philroche Odd_Bloke Tribaal fginther)
[15:05] <slangasek> bdmurray fginther philroche rcj doko infinity Odd_Bloke tdaitx slangasek rbalint Tribaal sil2100 xnox cyphermox mwhudson
[15:06] <slangasek> I believe bdmurray is off today
[15:06] <slangasek> fginther:
[15:07] <fginther> * Short week (2 days) due to holidays
[15:07] <fginther> * Automated image publication workflow improvements
[15:07] <fginther> * done
[15:07] <slangasek> philroche:
[15:08] <philroche> * Automated image publication workflow improvements
[15:08] <philroche> done
[15:08] <slangasek> I see a theme
[15:08] <slangasek> rcj:
[15:08] <rcj>  * Massive mfdiff updates (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-on-ec2/vmbuilder/mfdiff/revision/19)
[15:08] <rcj>  * Cloud-image automated promotion refactor work
[15:09] <rcj> done
[15:09] <slangasek> doko:
[15:10] <doko> - investigate glibc build failure with binutils 2.29 on arm64 and armhf
[15:10] <doko> - investigate gcc-6 ICE triggered by ceph on arm64
[15:10] <doko> - test build glibc trunk (works with binutils 2.29)
[15:10] <doko> - binutils 2.29 testing
[15:10] <doko> - now started the test rebuild (normal, and GCC 7)
[15:10] <doko> - GCC updates
[15:10] <doko> (done)
[15:10] <infinity> * Merged glibc, with an upsteam commit to fix build with new binutils, but it now miscompiles on ARM (LP: #1702679)
[15:10] <infinity> * Point release HWE reviews, need to land all the drivers today, then the full HWE X stack should be in.
[15:10] <infinity> * AA/SRU review and work.
[15:10] <doko> and doing the test rebuilds using the packages in -proposed
[15:10] <infinity> (done)
[15:10] <gaughen> doko, anything to highlight on your list?
[15:11] <Odd_Bloke> * Short week due to bathing in maple syrup^W^W^W^WCanada Day
[15:11] <doko> gaughen: maybe the test rebuild, but I'll send an email about that tomorrow
[15:11] <Odd_Bloke> * Cloud images vanguard
[15:11] <Odd_Bloke> (done)
[15:11] <tdaitx> > OpenJDK 8 update (ongoing tests)
[15:11] <tdaitx> > OpenJDK 7 backports (ongoing)
[15:11] <tdaitx> > +1 maintenance (superseeded by openjdk update):
[15:11] <tdaitx> - eclipse-mylyn, ongoing, checking bunch of failed reverse dep rebuilds (LP: #1652759)
[15:11] <tdaitx> - python-pysam, stuck on inter-dependency between distutils extensions (LP: #1701268)
[15:11] <tdaitx> > Other/AOB:
[15:11] <tdaitx> - got a new home server, zesty/artful desktop image failed to start installer, resorted to artful server image
[15:11] <tdaitx> - migrating schroots (then deleted a few by accident)
[15:11] <tdaitx> - migrating LXD containers, ongoing, my laptop's lxd storage pool is misconfigured, needs manual intervention for migration
[15:12] <tdaitx> - biking around again, tks for reminding me how cool that is PDX S2
[15:12] <tdaitx> - satisfying my PDX coffee addiction by brewing Heart's roasted coffee
[15:12] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:13] <Odd_Bloke> slangasek:
[15:13] <slangasek>  * short week, off Mon/Tue for Independence Day
[15:13] <slangasek>  * worked on security update coordination for CVE-2017-10600 in ubuntu-image
[15:13] <slangasek>  * attempted to work on the nplan autopkgtest regression with new NM, failed because
[15:13] <slangasek>  * handed off prelim 16.04.3 preview images for ppc64el to IBM for testing
[15:13] <slangasek>  * hacking on britney to make its email notifications work to spec (LP: #1671468)
[15:13] <slangasek>  * miscellaneous +1 maintenance work (trying to clear the bottom of update_excuses)
[15:14] <slangasek> (done)
[15:15] <doko> infinity: see #debian-glibc, the tests run for me with glibc trunk
[15:15] <infinity> doko: Fun.
[15:15] <slangasek> no rbalint today
[15:15] <slangasek> Tribaal:
[15:16] <gaughen> no Tribaal today
[15:16] <slangasek> also out today
[15:16] <slangasek> sil2100:
[15:16] <gaughen> he's here!
[15:16] <sil2100> - SRU:
[15:16] <sil2100>   * Reviews of new non-derivative kernel re-spin SRUs
[15:16] <sil2100>   * Regular SRU reviews and releases
[15:16] <sil2100> - gce-compute-image-packages:
[15:16] <sil2100>   * Push on getting all the SRUs reviewed and accepted
[15:16] <sil2100>   * Requesting testing
[15:16] <sil2100> - walinuxagent:
[15:16] <sil2100>   * Preparing and releasing the new wala 2.2.14
[15:16] <sil2100>   * Trying to perform pre-SRU testing, one test-case invalid due to changes in azure, contacting MS
[15:16] <sil2100>   * Thanks to Phil got test results of one of the test packages, uploaded the SRUs
[15:16] <sil2100> - +1 maintenance:
[15:16] <sil2100>   * Requesting removal of system-image
[15:16] <sil2100>   * Looking into profanity FTBFS in artful, raised a new issue upstream with another failing test
[15:16] <sil2100> - Preparing uvp-monitor for testing in a PPA, adding postinst to start the service after install
[15:16] <sil2100> - Prepare a kernel-sru-review branch for supporting in-progress bugs, fixes per Steve's review
[15:16] <sil2100> - ubuntu-image:
[15:16] <sil2100>   * Work on the ubuntu-image for classic spec
[15:16] <sil2100>   * Reviewing and landing the fakeroot-usage branch
[15:16] <sil2100>   * Much work, such wow on the proper ubuntu-image classic snap
[15:16] <sil2100> - Started creating trello cards
[15:16] <sil2100> (done)
[15:17] <xnox> ocaml transition
[15:17] <xnox> s390x bugs
[15:17] <xnox> srus for 16.04.3, with fixes for arm64 and s390x
[15:17] <xnox> resolved/dns issues progress with design
[15:17] <xnox> fixup WSL
[15:17] <xnox> EOF
[15:18] <xnox> #HIGHLIGHT WSL almost almost public
[15:18] <slangasek> sil2100: ah, are there new changes on kernel-sru-review branch? I didn't see notifications for a re-review, can you drop me the mp link again?
[15:19] <slangasek> oh and I have a highlight I forgot to list
[15:20] <slangasek> highlight: skype Linux client previously in partner is EOLed and has been removed from partner, see upstream website for information https://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/ (LP: #1701746)
[15:20] <sil2100> slangasek: the one with the in-progress stuff, link: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/ubuntu-archive-tools/in-progress-kernels/+merge/326584
[15:20] <slangasek> and no cyphermox_ today
[15:21] <sil2100> slangasek: the cache one I'll work tomorrow or next week, since I got swamped this week somehow ;p
[15:21] <slangasek> sil2100: ok, thanks :)
[15:22] <slangasek> infinity: this reminds me, can I get a review of https://code.launchpad.net/~vorlon/ubuntu-archive-tools/python3-process-removals-and-better-error-handling/+merge/325773 ?
[15:22] <slangasek> any questions on status?
[15:24] <gaughen> sil2100, what's the next step on the wala test case being invalid?
[15:25] <sil2100> gaughen: it's all sorted, I asked philroche to do some tests on a PPA-based image and now I pushed that to the queues
[15:25] <sil2100> Since the tests passed
[15:25] <sil2100> So we're all unblocked
[15:25] <gaughen> k, I was reading through the email thread and wasn't sure it was all sorted
[15:26] <gaughen> slangasek, no more questions from me
[15:26] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Incoming bugs
[15:26] <slangasek> [LINK] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-aa-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:28] <slangasek> doesn't look like there are any new critical/high on that list
[15:28] <gaughen> agreed.
[15:28] <sil2100> DONE
[15:28] <gaughen> I think we're done with this topic
[15:28] <slangasek> :)
[15:28] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:28] <slangasek> anything else?
[15:28] <gaughen> no
[15:28] <sil2100> Please review my walinuxagent backport SRUs from the queue!
[15:28] <sil2100> (all the queues actually)
[15:29] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jul  6 15:29:33 2017 UTC.
[15:29] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-07-06-15.04.moin.txt
[15:29] <slangasek> thanks, folks!
[16:17]  * genii washes out the coffee mugs