[18:34] <theubuntuzealot> hi
[18:34] <theubuntuzealot> Does anyone know if you can get a question deleted from launchpad
[18:34] <theubuntuzealot> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/261672
[18:38] <theubuntuzealot> anyone there?
[19:34] <jfmcarreira> heyy guys
[19:35] <jfmcarreira> can anyone help me with this error
[19:35] <jfmcarreira> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10058717/
[19:35] <jfmcarreira> i am the owner of that ppa
[19:37] <teward> jfmcarreira: how new is the PPA
[19:49] <teward> just confirming: if I upload a version of a package superior to a depwait'd version in a PPA, will the depwait go away because the version is superseded?
[20:00] <cjwatson> teward: Yes
[20:01] <teward> good, because i failed twice with a wireshark backport in a PPA, so depwaits all around >.<
[20:08] <jfmcarreira> teward: i made the ppa a couple months ago but i only added a pkg today
[20:08] <teward> cjwatson: ^ PPA signing key problem w/ add-apt-repository.  in case you can assist them.
[20:08]  * teward has to rebuild nginx for the 3rd time on his personal builders
[20:14] <cjwatson> the key in question (fingerprint 47B1838270FE14DBBF82335B2DF517E4FB038056) is on the keyserver; my guess would be perhaps a problem with a firewall on your end contacting the keyserver?
[20:14] <cjwatson> checking in a trusty-amd64 chroot
[20:20] <cjwatson> works fine here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10059451/
[20:20] <cjwatson> so I think it must be a client-side problem.  but I have to go now sorry
[21:27] <teward> jfmcarreira: ping ^ cjwatson responded @ 15:20 (about an hour ago)
[21:28] <teward> (sorry, i'm working on something right now, hence the huge delay in saying so)
[21:28] <jfmcarreira> teward: it is working now
[21:28] <jfmcarreira> i tried again later and it worked


 Damn. I had the ban menu open! 😂
 You have to be quick 😉
[22:11] <tomreyn> https://manual.lubuntu.me/lts/1/1.1/retrieving_the_image.html lists an ISO sha256sum: cc18a581d2e4d86f3f29ef44c12a0c42b54cde93db9fc5f7c3f10db1aff3fa9a - it is provided in a non monotype font. could you make it so that it's provided in monotype font instead? this would make it easier to verify it.
[22:12] <tomreyn> (i.e. you might want to put it into another code block)
 @lynorian (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tomreyn> https://manual.lubuntu.me/lts/1/1.1/retrieving_the_image.html lists an ISO sha256sum: cc18a581d2e4d86f3f29ef44c12a0c42b54cde93db9fc5f7c3f10db1aff3fa9a - it is provided in a non monotype font. could you make it so that it's provided in monotype font instead? this would make it easier to verify it.)


[07:21] <DanChapman> Good Morning
[07:56] <DanChapman> jibel, good morning o/ how are you? Would you be able to escalate bug 1260012 it's still popping up failing tests, also the is a quick MP for the fixes to the custom install test discussed on friday if you have time could you give it a quick run over please :-)
[07:57] <elfy> funny how everyone but the dev release is on firefox 26 ...
[07:58] <jibel> DanChapman, Good morning, I'm fine thanks!
[07:58] <jibel> I'll review the MP this morning, and ask thomi to look at this bug
[08:04] <jibel> pitti, good morning, why did you abort autopkgtests of quagga, shotwell, samba, ...?
[08:04] <pitti> jibel: good morning
[08:04] <pitti> jibel: they were running for several hours, looked like a timeout, and there are lots of new queued jobs
[08:04] <DanChapman> jibel awesome thanks, it also looks like xubuntu tests have a segfault type issue again. If there is a crash file do you download it and view it with apport-cli?
[08:04] <jibel> pitti, ah ok
[08:04] <pitti> jibel: I was going to restart them when the big flush of eglibc is done
[08:04] <jibel> pitti, I can restart them now?
[08:05] <jibel> DanChapman, there is a crash file, but it is corrupted
[08:05] <pitti> jibel: sure, if the queue settled again
[08:05] <pitti> this morning it was quite crazy
[08:05] <jibel> DanChapman, I'll try to generate a better trace today
[08:06] <pitti> oh yes, muuuch better
[08:06] <DanChapman> jibel  ah ok thanks :-)
[09:29] <xnox> is there a way to subscribe to email notifictions of particular jobs from jenkins?
[09:30] <xnox> in particular i'm interested in all the automated smoke testing of the images - (desktop, server) both automatic preseed jobs and autopilot (desktop only)
[09:35] <jibel> DanChapman, is there a report for the page title bug?
[09:36] <jibel> xnox, there is a mailing list that receives all the notifications otherwise subscription to specific jobs is done manually by the CI team.
[09:37] <xnox> jibel: where is the mailing list? i guess i can always filter it right.
[09:38] <jibel> xnox, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-testing-notifications
[09:40] <DanChapman> jibel i believe there is 2 secs
[09:41] <DanChapman> jibel bug 1066152
[10:32] <pitti> DanChapman, jibel: just reading in #ubuntu-desktop about some regressions in ubiquity with new gtk 3.10, FYI
[10:32] <pitti> (in case you wonder why your tests now fail, that might be it)
[10:34] <DanChapman> pitti, thanks :-)
[10:34]  * DanChapman joins #ubuntu-desktop
[10:35] <jibel> pitti, reading that too, that's one of the bug the tests have found
[11:16] <slickymaster> balloons: ping
[11:16] <slickymaster> are you there?
[11:16] <elfy> much too early I think slickymaster :)
[11:16] <slickymaster> probably
[11:17] <slickymaster> elfy: are you aware of anty thing going wrong with alpha1 iso tracker page?
[11:17] <elfy> why do we suddenyly have alternates?
[11:18] <slickymaster> and that's not all
[11:18] <elfy> what else?
[11:19] <slickymaster> elfy: we're not able to submit any results, the page doesn't load entirely and the section to include the hardware link, bugs detected isn't loading
[11:19] <elfy> archived ...
[11:19] <slickymaster> it's just loading the first table with the results of tests done
[11:20] <slickymaster> there's no way, presently, to submit a test result
[11:20] <elfy> there won't be - it's been archived for some reason
[11:21] <slickymaster> LOL
[11:21] <slickymaster> you didn't do anything wrong when you update the tracker, did you elfy?
[11:22]  * slickymaster runs and hide under the table
[11:22] <slickymaster> ;)
[11:23] <elfy> nope - iso and package trackers are seperate :)
[11:23] <slickymaster> elfy: do you know who's the maintainer for the iso tracker page?
[11:24] <elfy> no
[11:24] <slickymaster> we'll have to wait for balloons, then
[11:24] <slickymaster> it was working half an hour ago
[11:25] <elfy> yea - and the alternates weren't there then
[11:25] <slickymaster> nopes
[11:27] <elfy> mmm
[11:28] <elfy> disabled the alternates - for some reason they have ubuntu-touch as the owner :|
[11:29] <elfy> knome balloons - possibly stgraber (though I could be wrong there - sorry if I am) - our Alpha1 iso tracker releases have all gone odd
[11:29] <elfy> they are marked as archived
[11:29] <elfy> we've suddenly got alternates in the list
[11:30] <elfy> and via admin for iso tracker - they appear to be owned by ubuntu-touch release  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/products/40/edit
[13:19] <DanChapman> jibel, did you file a bug for the dbus no reply error? I can't remember what was said about it and can't find anything with a search
[13:35] <jibel> DanChapman, I didn't. I wanted to collect a bit more information than autopilot fails with a dbus timeout. But no luck for the moment.
[14:12] <jibel> DanChapman, I think the dbus exception is caused by libautopilot.so crash. Each time this exception appears there is a crash file for ubiquity
[14:12] <jibel> (python3.3 actually)
[14:13] <jibel> but I still cannot reproduce the crash
[14:22] <elopio> good morning team!
[15:12] <stgraber> elfy: I think I fixed most of the problems
[15:12] <balloons> elfy, in looking it seems ok
[15:13] <stgraber> it looks like skaet manually pushed some builds to the alpha-1 milestone...
[15:17] <elfy> stgraber: the alternates have gone - thanks for that
[15:17] <elfy> the testcases still appear to be archived to me http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/309/builds/59197/testcases
[15:17] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/309/builds/59196/testcases
[15:22] <stgraber> elfy: that's very weird... looking into that
[15:39] <balloons> elfy, ohh weird! this again?
[15:40] <balloons> xubuntu causing trouble :-)
[15:41] <slickymaster> balloons: no it's not :)
[15:41] <balloons> hey slickymaster 1
[15:43] <slickymaster> balloons: it's ubuntu -qa that it is stopping xubuntu -qa from doing its work ;)
[15:43] <balloons> slickymaster, touche mon ami
[15:44] <slickymaster> :)
[15:45] <elfy> balloons: yea - that again :|
[15:46] <elfy> and I always try to cause trouble at least once a week of course
[15:50] <stgraber> elfy: all fixed now I believe
[15:50] <elfy> stgraber: ty - any idea what it was that caused it?
[15:50] <slickymaster> stgraber: yes, I can confirm it
[15:50] <elfy> and are you the right person to ping for it in future
[15:51] <elfy> stgraber: ^^
[15:51] <elfy> with balloons doing the head in the sand blame xubuntu thing :D
[15:53] <stgraber> elfy: probably. I know the code pretty well and have access to logs to figure out who broke what... (I'll need to have a chat with skaet apparently)
[15:54] <elfy> ok - thanks :)
[15:54] <elfy> balloons: just kidding by the way :p
[15:54] <balloons> elfy, :-) Yes, if thing gets weird at a code/data level we have to call in stgraber :-)
[16:58] <DanChapman> jibel, yes it seems to be really difficult to reproduce locally. Also I've found a bug on Lubuntu running locally. It failed to create a JFS filesystem but the test only caught that the page title didn't change, :-| So that needs changing
[17:03] <balloons> hey DanChapman ;-) We ready for tomorrow?
[17:08] <slickymaster> bbl
[17:11] <DanChapman> Hey balloons, yeah we should be, I have a list of bugs the tests have found, I suppose a wiki page will be a good place for them alot of the fails have been autopilot/python3.3 bugs, ive also been re-working the test spec docs https://docs.google.com/document/d/1txlHA-67BSEj5uLl4wkcjjiMEfL76Y4LszwJ1cGQSdM/edit?usp=sharing
[17:12] <balloons> DanChapman, wow.
[17:12] <balloons> DanChapman, using an lp tag could work as well so you can pull them up and share them easy
[17:13] <DanChapman> balloons, yep will do
[17:15] <balloons> seriously, good work.. I'm really pumped about this ;-)
[17:18] <DanChapman> balloons, me too. :-)
[17:44] <jibel> DanChapman, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/AutomatedTesting?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Test+analysis+and+specification+for+Ubiquity.pdf might be an interesting resource too
[17:46] <jibel> DanChapman, balloons I used to tag bugs found with automated test with iso-testing + qa-daily-testing
[17:46] <jibel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/AutomatedTesting/TestingTypeAndBugTracking
[18:00] <DanChapman> jibel, brilliant thanks, wish i had found that yesterday :-)
[18:02] <balloons> jibel handing out presents early!
[19:39] <balloons> Noskcaj, see my mail on the -quality list. What did you want to run a testing event for again?
[19:40] <Noskcaj> balloons, I probably deleted it by accident, but gthumb, since  I've just adopted it and added 2 years worth of new releases
[19:40] <balloons> Noskcaj, perfect, if you don't mind responding via the list and we'll get it setup as the first event :-)
[19:42] <Noskcaj> ok
[19:43] <balloons> do you have a date in mind? and do you have focus of triaging bugs / finding new bugs or /
[19:46] <balloons> DanChapman, ping
[19:50] <DanChapman> balloons, pong
[19:50] <balloons> DanChapman<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:51] <balloons> DanChapman, here's the ical: www.google.com/calendar/ical/canonical.com_o1icfllckuuh8c162kl8ui0bs8%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics
[19:52] <DanChapman> balloons, thanks mate :-)
[19:52] <Noskcaj> balloons, Any time this month, and mainly triaging the bags that have appeared while there was no maintainer
[19:52] <balloons> DanChapman, I intend to share it with everyone, thought I'd let you make sure it works
[19:53] <balloons> Noskcaj, see the calendar links above, those work for you also? I wanted to provide an ical / html calendar for people to follow along
[19:53] <balloons> as DanChapman and dkessel suggested
[19:53] <TheLordOfTime> Noskcaj, we triage bags now instead of bugs?  (loljk)
[19:53] <Noskcaj> it makes me download a .ics, is that the intention
[19:54] <TheLordOfTime> Noskcaj, unless you add the link into google itself yes that's what happens with ics links
[19:54] <TheLordOfTime> google calendar*
[19:54] <Noskcaj> TheLordOfTime, lol. It's the last day of school, i'm allowed to be retarded now
[19:54] <TheLordOfTime> Noskcaj, never said you couldn't
[19:54] <TheLordOfTime> i'mma gonna be screwing up text all day with one arm in a sling >.>
[19:54] <elfy> balloons: works fine for me loaded up in orage
[19:54] <DanChapman> balloons, works great for me
[19:55] <balloons> excellent! ok, so the release schedule is in there, and I'll add testing events as we create them
[19:55] <balloons> hackathons and classroom stuff can go in there too.. anything else?
[19:55] <elfy> balloons: you might want to make Release Canindate Release less about chucking a tin of beans about
[19:55] <elfy> and maybe release one of the Release's :)
[19:56] <balloons> hmm.. RC release?
[19:56] <elfy> Noskcaj: try importing into orage :)
[19:56] <elfy> balloons: yep :)
[19:56] <elfy> wfm
[19:56] <Noskcaj> works fine
[19:56] <balloons> and yes it's weird, but I wanted to differentiate between testing and well release :-)
[19:57] <balloons> Noskcaj, ohh last day of school. awesome!
[19:57] <elfy> yep - understood - I've got a calendar for Xubuntu package testing that's nothing to do with anyone else's schedules
[19:57] <Noskcaj> then holidays till late January. I should finish my devel pc and be able to do some testing again in that time
[19:57] <balloons> now, can we embed this somehow on the wiki?
[19:58] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello
[19:58] <Letozaf_> balloons, hello :)
[19:58] <elfy> embed in what wiki balloons ?
[19:58] <balloons> elfy, the calendar.. Or should we just share the html and ical links?
[19:59] <elfy> balloons: not embed what in the wiki :P
[19:59] <elfy> embed in what wiki :)
[19:59] <balloons> lol, the QATeam wiki
[19:59] <elfy> I'm not sure you can embed cals in ubuntu wiki's
[20:00] <balloons> Noskcaj, ok, well I wanted to be around for the testing, but it won't be possible if you do it this month for me, as I'm going to be gone shortly
[20:00] <elfy> but I'm a bit meh about that tbh - only ever look at the release ones - the wiki's are generally just a real pita
[20:00] <elfy> balloons: oooh - yea - you travelling my way soon?
[20:01] <balloons> elfy, no sadly that trip was canceled.. and moved to guess where!?
[20:01] <Noskcaj> balloons, I can postpone till next month then. As i said, i have nothing to do for 6 weeks
[20:01] <balloons> florida, ;-p
[20:01] <elfy> balloons: I would have guessed usa
[20:01] <elfy> apparently it's the centre of the world
[20:01] <balloons> Noskcaj, you are most welcome to do it without me.. it might be a bit hard for anyone who is doing the holiday thing. Jan might be best
[20:02] <balloons> or do it yet this week
[20:02] <balloons> I would consider those the 2 options
[20:02] <Noskcaj> I can do it this week if you can get the call out fast enough
[20:02] <balloons> elfy, hah.. I wish it wasn't
[20:03] <elfy> not to the Xubuntu dev list please - at least until our alpha is done and dusted
[20:03] <Letozaf_> balloons, did you have time to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/music-app/add_song_and_play/+merge/198175
[20:03] <Noskcaj> I was going to say tomorrow but realised people need time for stuff
[20:03] <elfy> Noskcaj: ^^
[20:03] <Noskcaj> ok
[20:03] <elfy> Noskcaj: basically if you are going to be calling for testing to our lists - please always check with what else might be happening
[20:04] <balloons> Letozaf_, no I'm sorry. I didn't look at any tests today, trying to move these other things forward before hacking on them again
[20:04] <balloons> mm.. yea, alpha 1 testing is going on
[20:04] <Letozaf_> balloons, ah ok, was just wondering what those CI failures  were
[20:04] <Noskcaj> elfy, I'll wait for January then.
[20:05] <elfy> even so - you need to check with the qa team please
[20:05] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh.. it failed to build somehow
[20:05] <elfy> Noskcaj: we've got lots of planning done already
[20:05] <balloons> I'll just re-run
[20:05] <elfy> Noskcaj: and I mean our qa team :p
[20:05] <Noskcaj> of course
[20:05] <elfy> :)
[20:05] <balloons> elfy, can you share your calendar?
[20:06] <elfy> balloons: not really - it's on a trello board
[20:06] <Letozaf_> balloons, can I fix that or what ?
[20:06] <balloons> elfy, ahh.. well we'll be sure to plan in advance. Just pipe up if we schedule something that interfere's m'kay?
[20:06] <balloons> Noskcaj, Jan 7th at this hour work?
[20:07] <balloons> Letozaf_, I just told it to rebuild. I assume it'll pass
[20:07] <elfy> balloons: well - basically I've tried to make sure that I've got a plan in for Xubuntu and couldn't wait for other people to guesstimate what they were doing
[20:07] <balloons> elfy, ofc
[20:07] <Noskcaj> balloons, Probably. I'll have to check with my parents later since we're going to brisbane some time and don't really know when
[20:07]  * Letozaf_ crosses fingers
[20:07] <elfy> balloons: http://pad.ubuntu.com/OHGoAbZPji was the last draft - though I don't use the pad anymore
[20:08] <elfy> ther's not much in the way of gaps - and we have 4 or 5 items to land in that will need testing time - so most of the gaps are only blank on the pad - they're mostly full up in my head
[20:09] <balloons> ahh.. so always will be something
[20:09] <elfy> assuming they actually get there in time for testing - our team have already been told that the answer is NO if they ask for testing too late
[20:09] <elfy> balloons: always places to squeeze thinggs in I'd guess
[20:10] <elfy> but any calls for testing to our lists - that I don't know about are likely to get an immediate response from me :D
[20:10] <balloons> Letozaf_, worked :-p
[20:10]  * elfy has his 'It's hard enough to get people to test for me as it is' head on ;)
[20:11] <Letozaf_> balloons, yay!
[20:12] <balloons> Letozaf_, doing one last check on my device and I'll top approve
[20:12] <Letozaf_> balloons, :D
[20:22] <DanChapman> balloons, did you chase up about the xubuntu user-session patch? The tests are still blocked by the login screen
[20:22] <DanChapman> elfy ^^ do you have any news on this?
[20:23] <balloons> DanChapman, I did.. The lubuntu one was fixed.. The xubuntu one had knome on it. I have full confidence
[20:24] <DanChapman> balloons, lovely cheers. Yes lubuntu tests are going again and presenting a bug just cannot reproduce locally, attempt 21 just finishing lol
[20:24] <elfy> last I saw was knome pinging someone re that couple of days ago
[20:25] <DanChapman> elfy cool cheers :-)
[20:30] <balloons> DanChapman, eeks
[20:36] <balloons> Letozaf_, ok, 1 failure on my device.. hmm
[20:36] <Letozaf_> balloons, where ?
[20:37] <Letozaf_> balloons, I re-ran the tests on image 69 and they work
[20:37] <Letozaf_> balloons, anyway I will re-run them
[20:38] <balloons> i'm re-running to
[21:23] <balloons> Letozaf_, how's it coming?
[21:23] <balloons> did replacing things with wait_select fix it?
[21:24] <Letozaf_> balloons, I think so, had a pep8 error ... I fixed it now
[21:24] <Letozaf_> balloons, I-m testing on my device
[21:28] <Letozaf_> balloons, first run was ok, but I will run it more times
[21:30] <balloons> Letozaf_, kk
[21:37] <Letozaf_> balloons, second run ok... let's run it again :)
[21:38] <balloons> that's the spirit ;-)
[21:38] <Letozaf_> balloons, :)
[21:38] <balloons> I'll hop in after this run is done
[21:44] <Letozaf_> balloons, third run ok
[21:44] <Letozaf_> balloons, I've got time for a fourth one
[21:52] <Letozaf_> balloons, also the fourth one worked, I think it's quite sure now the tests work :)
[21:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, have to go now, let me know if the tests are ok for you.
[21:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, night


[09:59] <keesj> right in the center next to the photo camera
[10:08] <ion> keybuk: o hai. My VM setup: http://heh.fi/tmp/mountall-test-setup-20091009, debug log with my branch: http://pastebin.com/f175ac4af
[10:09] <ion> Nothing special about them, except that it seems to work. :-P
[10:50] <Keybuk> ion: all merged, except I had a couple of alternate ways of doing it
[10:50] <Keybuk> rather than the trigger thing, I changed the count to never call mounted() more than once
[10:50] <ion> Alright
[11:56] <Keybuk> \o.
[11:56] <Keybuk> .o/
[11:59] <ion> keybuk: I wonder how to handle e.g. the ‘apt-local /opt/apt-local vboxsf defaults 0 2’ mount in my VM fstab that gives me easy access to, say, a recent build of mountall deb? The vboxsf filesystem becomes available when the virtualbox-ose-guest-utils init script loads a module. Currently i just have it as ‘noauto’, so that the system at least boots. :-P
[12:03] <Keybuk> why doesn't it boot without noauto?
[12:10] <ion> It gets stuck at the end, never sending the FHS event: http://pastebin.com/f775b90db (the last “mounted:” entry being “local 6/7 remote 0/0 virtual 12/12 swap 0/0”)
[12:13] <ion> (I’m still running a build from my branch pre-merge. I’m about to do a new build, but that shouldn’t fix it.)
[12:27] <Keybuk> oh, hmm
[12:27] <Keybuk> ah, I see the bug
[12:27] <Keybuk> d'oh
[12:28] <Keybuk> ion: try -r85
[12:35] <ion> About to impact http://www.nasa.gov/55644main_NASATV_Windows.asx
[12:36] <ion> keybuk: Great, it works.
[12:38] <Keybuk> it makes you wonder whether Obama has a "sorry, we blew up the moon" speech prepared
[12:38] <Keybuk> just in case
[12:39] <ion> We launched a rocket toward the moon with an intention to detonate an explosive, but upon impact it accidentally the whole moon.
[12:41] <mgoetze> i think it will be revealed that blowing up the moon was, in fact, necessary, as an alien invasion was being staged there, and that that is, in fact, the reason why obama is getting the nobel peace prize
[12:48] <ion> keybuk: Can we get events from Upstart about things being mounted by others? The vbox-guest-utils init script runs mount -a -t vboxsf after loading the module, but mountall is left to sleep forever thinking /opt/apt-local never got mounted.
[12:48] <ion> s/Upstart/udev/, brainfart
[12:48] <Keybuk> oh, I was going to poll mountinfo!
[12:54] <damjan> ion: how do you watch it on Linux? LCROSS
[12:58] <ion> vlc played both the stream i linked and http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=1368163 which had better quality but which suffered from congestion.
[13:12] <damjan> it seems to be the same thing.. that .asx link is just  a xml file and it has a ref to http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=1369080&segment=149773
[13:48] <ion> keybuk: http://pastebin.com/m403ae9cd btw ;-)
[13:56] <ion> keybuk: How about making nih_logger_printf() fflush the fd after each message? It would help with e.g. stracing mountall; you’d know which part of the code is running based on the debug write()s. Also, the latest log messages might only reach a log file after a long delay if the output has been redirected to a file, mountall is waiting for something and the buffer doesn’t quite reach its capacity.
[13:57] <Keybuk> fflush is expensive
[13:57] <ion> I encountered both situations with debugging mountall. I simply added the flushing to nih_logger_printf temporarily. :-P
[13:57] <ion> if (nih_log_priority >= NIH_LOG_DEBUG)?
[13:57] <ion> <=
[13:57] <Keybuk> ion: tabstop-agnostic indentation - give me an emacs file for that ;)
[13:58] <ion> Since my editor doesn’t do that either (AFAIK), i just indent with spaces in my own code. :-P
[13:59] <Keybuk> style < effort :p
[13:59] <Keybuk> and I use C-A-\ all the time
[13:59] <Keybuk> (reindent buffer)
[14:00] <ion> TBH, i’d indent my code with spaces only anyway, i rather like a smaller amount of indentation.
[14:04] <Keybuk> :p
[14:21] <sadmac2> my JLS confirmation just arrived :)
[14:21] <sadmac2> In Japanese :(
[14:57] <Keybuk> fail
[14:58] <Keybuk> 敗 even
[15:04] <sadmac2> Keybuk: from what translating my literate friend has done, I need a copy of the email to get into the conference too. That's gonna be fun for some people.
[15:04] <sadmac2> Keybuk: especially those people who's spam filters have figured out the incredibly effective "foreign language => junk" heuristic
[15:07] <ion> JLS?
[15:07] <sadmac2> ion: Japan Linux Symposium
[15:09] <ion> “• Upstart 1.0 by Scott James Remnant  [slides]” It’s a placeholder for a link. :-(
[15:10] <sadmac2> ion: where is that?
[15:10] <ion> http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2009/program/
[15:11] <sadmac2> yeah, I wonder when the videos will be available
[15:13] <Keybuk> ion: my laptop hard drive died
[15:13] <Keybuk> so I haven't rescued the slides off it yet
[15:14] <ion> Ouch
[15:18] <sadmac2> Keybuk: mine showed up broken and yours didn't make it out
[16:31] <ion> keybuk: As for “don’t queue filesystem check when device is ‘none’”, how about “if device doesn’t begin with a slash” instead?
[16:41] <Keybuk> you might have a legitimate reason for checking those
[16:41] <Keybuk> *shrug*
[16:41] <Keybuk> fsck.fuse may exist for example
[16:51] <ion> keybuk: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ion/ubuntu/karmic/mountall/fsck-locking/revision/88
[16:51] <Keybuk> no, I meant mnt->type there
[16:52] <ion> Ah, ok, the debian/changelog entry mislead me. :-)
[16:52] <Keybuk> you can add another check though ;)
[16:55] <ion> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ion/ubuntu/karmic/mountall/fsck-locking/revision/88
[16:55] <Keybuk> you'll need to rebase that too ;)
[16:58] <ion> pushed
[16:59] <ion> Or did you already publish 0.2.0, i.e. should i increment version?
[17:06] <Keybuk> i did
[17:30] <ion> Wouldn’t it be better for mount_event to be asychronous? Send the call, go back to main loop and proceed to run_mount/swapon when the call finishes.
[17:45] <Keybuk> maybe
[17:45] <Keybuk> but the idea is to just start essential services for that mount


[06:36] <pygi> neuralis: poke
[06:42] <ajmitch> hello neuralis
[06:42] <neuralis> hey ajmitch
[06:43] <pygi> neuralis: I need idea for a good server project ...  it must include bzr..perhaps Provide a RCS /etc out of the box
[06:43] <pygi> but thats I suppose too lill' for 3 month
[06:43] <neuralis> sec, brb
[06:43] <pygi> neuralis:ok
[06:44] <ajmitch> pygi: why must it include bzr?
[06:45] <neuralis> pygi: this is for summer of code, or otherwise?
[06:45] <neuralis> rcs /etc out of the box is not a complicated project now that bzr is stable
[06:46] <pygi> neuralis: Indeed...thats why I am asking you for a idea :)
[06:48] <pygi> not for me tho, but to suggest it to someone
[06:50] <neuralis> hmm
[06:50] <neuralis> still summer of code, yes?
[06:50] <pygi> indeed
[06:52] <neuralis> i'm not sure revcontroling /etc is sufficient for a whole summer
[06:52] <neuralis> but it's a decent start
[06:52] <neuralis> let me think of what else needs to be done
[06:52] <pygi> neuralis: ok
[06:53] <neuralis> so actually, you know what might be a cool soc project? the express server idea via tasksel that we talked about a long time ago
[06:54] <neuralis> how skilled is the person?
[06:54] <pygi> not yet sure about that :-/ trying to find out
[06:55] <ajmitch> neuralis: fwiw, I'm going to try for the network authentication spec
[06:55] <ajmitch> client & server
[06:56] <neuralis> pygi: you might want to have him send me a resume, so i have some idea of what he's done in the past, and i can recommend a project based on that
[06:56] <pygi> neuralis: ok, will do
[06:56] <ajmitch> he's only got a couple of days to put in an applications
[06:56] <neuralis> ajmitch: yeah, i'll reply within a couple of hours of hearing from him
[06:57] <ajmitch> it's taken me awhile to put this one together
[06:57] <ajmitch> with looking into what is feasbile
[06:57] <ajmitch> s/feasbile/feasible/
[06:57] <neuralis> i have <10 minute mail turnaround time for 85% of the day :)
[06:57] <ajmitch> impressive :)
[06:58] <neuralis> nah, just means i don't sleep nearly enough.
[06:58] <ajmitch> heh
[06:58] <neuralis> pygi: don't remember if you have my e-mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:59] <pygi> neuralis: I do have your mail :)
[06:59] <neuralis> okay, cool, i'll expect his mail. anything else before i run out?
[06:59] <pygi> no need :)
[06:59] <pygi> enjoy
[07:00] <neuralis> ajmitch: i'm pretty happy you're the one doing n-a; that has enormous screwup potential, so i'd much rather it be done by someone who knows what he's doing than a total newcomer
[07:01] <pygi> neuralis: he is still not choosen tho :)
[07:01] <ajmitch> I can hope
[07:02] <neuralis> i need to talk to fabio and see what the deal is with ranking applications
[07:02] <pygi> neuralis: not much :)
[07:02] <pygi> application can have 1000 points, but if it doesnt have mentors, it fails =P
[07:02] <neuralis> well, i imagine tollef will mentor this
[07:02] <pygi> Mithrandir is mentoring n-a
[07:02] <neuralis> yep
[07:03] <neuralis> ajmitch: will you be in paris?
[07:03] <ajmitch> unfortunately not
[07:03] <pygi> talked to him already...he just hadnt requested a mentorship yet
[07:03] <ajmitch> I would love to be, really
[07:04] <neuralis> other commitments?
[07:04] <ajmitch> yeah
[07:04] <ajmitch> uni exams on 19th & 21st
[07:04] <neuralis> ah, boo :/
[07:04] <ajmitch> plus sponsorship would be required
[07:05] <neuralis> right
[07:05] <pygi> I intended to ... but gotta go to Sweden :-/
[07:05] <ajmitch> it's about 30 hours or so flight time
[07:05] <neuralis> yeah, the dates are less than pleasant for me as well
[07:05] <neuralis> because june is now turning out to be croatia, france, brazil, vegas, cambridge directly back to back :/
[07:05] <ajmitch> busy man
[07:05] <pygi> neuralis: when again are you coming to Croatia?
[07:06] <neuralis> pygi: may 27
[07:06] <ajmitch> I doubt the uni would let me sit exams early just to go to paris
[07:06] <pygi> heh, I hope Il be back by that date :-/
[07:06] <neuralis> pygi: i'll be around until paris
[07:07] <ajmitch> ah, too late to even ask about getting exam dates changed
[07:07] <pygi> nice, I will plan something out then
[07:07] <neuralis> ajmitch: sorry to hear it
[07:07] <neuralis> pygi: cool. much beer will be had.
[07:08] <pygi> neuralis: :)
[07:08] <neuralis> beer in this country sucks terribly.
[07:08] <pygi> lol :P
[07:08] <neuralis> it's like drinking badly flavored rainwater.
[07:08] <neuralis> ok, on that note, i'm out
[07:08] <neuralis> cheers guys, g'night
[07:08] <ajmitch> night neuralis
[07:08] <pygi> night
[07:11] <fabbione> uh?
[07:11] <pygi> fabbione: ?
[07:11] <fabbione> why i am reading my name around?
[07:12] <fabbione> :)
[07:12] <pygi> lol :)
 i need to talk to fabio and see what the deal is with ranking applications
[07:13] <fabbione> neuralis: you are not allowed to sleep, pussy
[07:13] <fabbione> neuralis: what's all of this about? :)
[07:14] <pygi> its all about SoC
[07:14] <fabbione> i am not part of the SoC
[07:15] <fabbione> not this year at least
[07:15] <pygi> agreed, but we wanted ur opinion =P
[07:16] <fabbione> mind to explain me about what+
[07:16] <fabbione> ?
[07:16] <fabbione> i am too lazy to read the scrollback
[07:16] <ajmitch> suggestions for another SoC project for server work
[07:16] <ajmitch> since apparantly there's someone asking for ideas
[07:17] <fabbione> well there are the leftovers from dapper
[07:17] <pygi> just RCS it seems
[07:18] <fabbione> that's quite a big one
[07:18] <fabbione> it's not as easy as it looks
[07:19] <fabbione> ok let me think a couple of minutes about it
[07:19] <pygi> for 3 months work? :P
[07:19] <pygi> oki
[07:21] <pygi> something which involves python programming should be good
[07:22] <fabbione> you understimate it.. trust me
[07:22] <fabbione> there is a lot of things involved there
[07:22] <pygi> ah,oki :)
[07:23] <pygi> and who would mentor that? :-/
[07:23] <fabbione> not me :P
[07:23] <fabbione> well somebody will be assigned to it if it gets accepted
[07:24] <pygi> Il make sure it gets accepted because this is the only project for server
[07:24] <pygi> except n-a, but thats for all :P
[07:25] <fabbione> well i think a FAI integration would be good
[07:26] <pygi> ajmitch: 0 :)
[07:26] <ajmitch> surprising
[07:26] <fabbione> like you install ubuntu server.. create the image of either ubuntu or ubuntu-server automatically and ready for deployment out of the box
[07:26] <pygi> ok, will talk to him about that
[07:27] <fabbione> there are the 3rdy part applications too
[07:27] <fabbione> to be evaluated, get in touch with vendors and package them...
[07:27] <fabbione> (assuming they would like them to be there)
[07:27] <fabbione> there was more.. for sure
[07:28] <fabbione> improving my offline system-integrity-check
[07:28] <fabbione> assuming we will ever get the server infrastructure at the DC
[07:28] <fabbione> there are tons of things that can be done..
[07:28] <fabbione> pick one :P
[07:29] <pygi> will do
[07:29] <pygi> thanks
[07:30] <pygi> gotta run now, so see ya
[07:30] <fabbione> cya
[10:10] <neuralis> fabbione: i never sleep.
[10:11] <neuralis> fabbione: i only block on a call here and there.
[10:11] <neuralis> firmware bug.
[10:12] <fabbione> eheh
[10:33] <infinity> neuralis: I've heard that not sleeping is bad for you.
[10:33] <infinity> neuralis: Or, so my coworkers keep telling me.


[00:24] <bazhang> yes thats the real esr
[00:24] <bazhang> I did a double take the first time he asked for support in #x
[00:29] <Unit193> bazhang: ...You sure?  I see 'esr' online in another channel.
[00:31] <bazhang> Unit193, not since you corrected me


 I wanted to set up a programming environment for Java, so I deleted it with sudo apt-get purge openjdk-\*
[13:54] <Kryppi> Followed this guide: http://www.wikihow.com/Install-Oracle-Java-on-Ubuntu-Linux
[13:56] <highvoltage> Kryppi: yeah I guess they want you to remove the free java from your system first before installing the non-free one (not that that is even necessary since you can select your default java system when you have more than one installed)
[13:56] <stgraber> Kryppi: just re-install icedtea-6-plugin that should pull the rest of the java packages back on your system
[13:56] <stgraber> assuming you didn't somehow destroy more things in the process, it should work fine ;)
[13:57] <Kryppi> stgraber Will that be enough for me?
[13:57] <highvoltage> oh wow, we have a veloutin and a simpoir in here
[13:57]  * highvoltage didn't realise
[13:58] <stgraber> Kryppi: well, you'll have java back on your system after that
[13:58] <stgraber> then if you want to develop, you'll probably want to install eclipse or something like that, but I'm not a java developer (and never plan to be) so can't really help much there ;)
[13:58]  * veloutin sets mode +insight highvoltage
[13:59] <highvoltage> I wish I could really have a flag like that today :)
[14:00] <Kryppi> stgraber, okay, thanks. but I do want Eclipse, too - yeah.
[14:03] <stgraber> Kryppi: "apt-get install eclipse" or installing it from the software-center should do the trick
[14:04] <Kryppi> stgraber yeah, I'm at it. :)
[14:04] <stgraber> eclipse would also have pulled java back on your system at install time btw
[14:05] <highvoltage> stgraber: so there will be a slot for derivatives again at UDS, Jorge asked if we want in and I said yes
[14:06] <highvoltage> stgraber: so perhaps we could do the tasks session, the decent-length roadmap session (with the server parts) and then the plenary mini-summary
[14:07] <stgraber> highvoltage: good that we have a bit of a plenary slot. Currently we have our generic work-for-raring session and the server informational session scheduled on Monday and Friday respectively
[14:08] <stgraber> I don't have scheduling rights this time around so they may end up jumping around a bit
[14:08] <stgraber> highvoltage: anyway, the plenary session will be good to mention the things I blogged about basically, I don't think we'll have much more time than that
[14:10] <highvoltage> yeah, I guess we'll have 2.5 mins again, so it's just enough for a teaser and a few screenshots
[14:10] <highvoltage> which is ok
[14:12] <stgraber> and if the server session stays on friday, then we can tell whoever's interested to show up there
[14:14] <highvoltage> ah, plenary slot has been upgraded to 7.5 minutes :)
[14:15] <stgraber> oh nice we may even be able to say something then ;)
[14:17] <stgraber> highvoltage: with 7.5min I may even be able to get a basic demo with an edubuntu server, a win8 client and an edubuntu desktop client
[14:17] <stgraber> not enough time to show the bring up of everything, but definitely enough to start the server, show the services running, boot win8 and edubuntu, show that they can login and show the output of "id" to show it's in the domain and resolves all the groups
[14:18] <highvoltage> stgraber: nice. also, I think we need a better name for "Edubuntu Server"
[14:19] <veloutin> Edubuntu Organization Server
[14:19] <stgraber> if you have suggestions, I'm happy to hear them but for now Edubuntu Server is at least generic enough that can I fit whatever I want in there without renaming ;)
[14:19] <veloutin> boom, fancy schmancy
[14:20]  * highvoltage will try to think of something that implies Edubuntu Infrastructure Server but that sounds less iffy
[14:21] <highvoltage> if it was just doing samba I would go with Edubuntu Directory Server (but maybe we'd get sued by someone :p)
[14:22] <stgraber> hehe, yeah, getting a good name is tricky because it's completely modular so it won't always contain a directory, sometimes it'll just be a file server, sometimes just an ltsp cluster, ...
[14:22] <simpoir> Edubuntu Cloud Server :D
[14:22] <highvoltage> (EDS actually does have a nice ring to it, and calling something an ED server is also nice)
[14:23] <veloutin> eDirectory?
[14:23] <highvoltage> ah yes
[14:23] <highvoltage> that exists right?
[14:24] <stgraber> highvoltage: eds == evolution data server
[14:25] <highvoltage> heh, looking at synonyms for "infrastructure". there's "principal" :)
[14:27] <veloutin> Edubuntu Principal's Office
[14:27] <highvoltage> hehe
[14:28] <highvoltage> "Edubuntu Foundations Server" could be accurate too, but it's longwinded
[14:30] <stgraber> yeah and the user won't have a clue what that's about
[14:31] <highvoltage> then maybe just go with something that's very descriptive. "Edubuntu Infrastructure Server"
[14:31] <highvoltage> even though it's longwinded, at least it's accurate and to the point
[14:31] <highvoltage> I just think that going with just "Server" at this stage might be confusing since there will already be two kinds of Edubuntu servers and that could grow to 3-4 in the future
[14:32] <stgraber> well, I'm not sure that if I was to deploy just the web hosting part of Edubuntu Server (as you'll be able to), this should still be called "Edubuntu Infrastructure Server"
[14:33] <highvoltage> I think it could, the web parts could be a subset, just like the samba part could be a subset (but I get your point)
[14:35] <stgraber> also, what do you mean with 3-4 servers in the future?
[14:35] <highvoltage> hmm. unless we add something to the end of "Edubuntu Server", like "Edubuntu Server Platform"
[14:35] <highvoltage> (but then it's kind of inconsistent with "Edubuntu Terminal Server")
[14:36] <highvoltage> stgraber: well, forget I said that part (since they'd be subsets of Edubuntu Server)
[14:40] <highvoltage> (I might be just thinking aloud here, but...)
[14:41] <highvoltage> So Edubuntu Server is more of a generic thing with a subset of servers, which would typically include these capabilities that would run in containers:
[14:41] <highvoltage>  * Samba4 directory server
[14:41] <highvoltage>  * Web hosting platform using Juju with Wordpress/Drupal/etc recipies
[14:43] <highvoltage> it's like a meta-server in that it isn't actually a server in itself.
[14:43]  * highvoltage is too tired to think of branding stuff right now and spontaneously gives up for now
[14:43] <simpoir> so it would fit more to call it the Edubuntu Modular Platform
[14:44] <highvoltage> simpoir: that's actually very nice! (for people who would know what that means)
[14:51] <veloutin> Legos!


[16:55] <jasox> Is today design meeting ?
[16:58] <MrChrisDruif> jasox; did you see the /topic?
[17:01] <jasox> Oh sorry, I was confused. Here  http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ it says meeting is today 30 december, but on Wednesday. I get it now tnx
[17:03] <MrChrisDruif> I'm not seeing it on there ? O_O
[17:03] <MrChrisDruif> I'm only seeing the Unity meeting
[17:08] <jasox> Yes today is only unity meeting. :D
[17:12] <MrChrisDruif> Alright
[17:12] <MrChrisDruif> Just checking ^_^


[14:45] <p7f> hi, i've installed ubuntu budgie recently and i realized that the key "impr pant" does not work... in kubuntu and windows it works though... what could be happening?
[16:16] <fossfreedom> p7f, don't really recognise the key name "impr pant" - probably a question for a much wider audiance such as askubuntu.com or ubuntuforums.org
[16:17] <p7f> fossfreedom: sorry... i'm using latin american keyboard... it is the key that takes a picture of the screen when you press it
[16:17] <fossfreedom> ah - the printscr key
[16:17] <fossfreedom> yeah - budgie-desktop does not natively support that key
[16:17] <fossfreedom> but there is a workaround
[16:17] <fossfreedom> just a sec
[16:18] <fossfreedom> you need to define a custom keyboard shortcut - https://solus-project.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1941
[16:19] <fossfreedom> but I just use something like shutter
[16:19] <fossfreedom> or the budgie-screenshot-applet
[16:51] <p7f> i've installed budgie-screenshot-applet but nothing happened
[16:54] <p7f> i cannot set a shortcut because the key is not even recognized when i need to input it for the shortcut
[16:56] <p7f> there is a screen shot section in the place where you create shortcuts, but they dont work.. i cannot set another shortcut with same key.. should i delete them?
[17:00] <p7f> Is there a way con configure available shortcuts commands?
[19:03] <fossfreedom> p7f, once you have installed budgie-screenshot-applet, logout and login and then add the applet to your panel.  You can use the panel options to take screenshots
[19:04] <fossfreedom> as to why the key is not recognised - sorry I don't know the answer to that.  askubuntu.com or ubuntuforums.org should be able to help here.
[20:27] <p7f> thanks a lot!
[20:27] <p7f> i'll just use the screenshot-applet


[00:33] <pandoras> someone still awake?
[00:34] <pandoras> im here, running archlinux, and download ubuntustudio64, becaus that stuff with the archlinux-rt is realy messed up
[00:34] <pandoras> get a new SSD drive, had partitioned, and made a ext4 filesystem, so i want install the iso on to it, without any livesystem
[00:34] <pandoras> is that possible?
[00:35] <pandoras> mount the iso, copy some files.. ect?
[00:48] <pandoras> hm,... should ask tomorrow again, time to sleep
[03:28] <len-dt> pandoras, yes you can install to a USB stick or other memory that looks like a drive.
[03:28] <smartboyhw> Yo len-dt
[03:28] <len-dt> or you can make a startup "DVD" on the memory stick and try the ISO live.
[03:29] <len-dt> hello smartboyhw
[12:21] <pandoras> re
[12:21] <pandoras> someone here?
[12:21] <smartboyhw> Hi pandoras
[12:21] <pandoras> jeah :D
[12:21] <pandoras> i want to try install ubuntustuido direct from my running Archlinux to my new SSD
[12:21] <smartboyhw> Ah huh
[12:22] <holstein> pandoras: its a live CD.. download and enjoy!
[12:22] <pandoras> without livesystem or cd/stick  its that possible?
[12:22] <holstein> pandoras: its all open, so everything is "possible".. what are you trying to do?
[12:23] <pandoras> install direct to disk
[12:23] <holstein> you should be able to use unetbootin to create a bootable drive out of anything.. as len-dt suggested earlier
[12:23] <holstein> pandoras: if you want to "install" direct to disc, then i would just use a DVD or USB stick and install
[12:24] <pandoras> hm... may the easist way
[12:25] <pandoras> my idea was to get a way without reboot the machine, anyway, have a lot of memory sticks
[12:25] <holstein> pandoras: it would be challenging to have a partition running a live image, and install to another partition on the same drive
[12:25] <holstein> im sure, as i said earlier, since its all open.. anything is possible
[12:25] <holstein> i typically take the path of least resistance
[12:26] <pandoras> i chose the easy way, to lazy for that :D
[12:26] <holstein> i would expect to reboot after installing a new operating system
[12:28]  * pandoras prepare usb-stick
[12:28] <pandoras> kthxbye
[12:41] <cbx33> anyone here used linux sampler?
[16:37] <SirFunk> Can I add the ubuntu studio sources to a regular ubuntu system or will it cause things to break?
[16:37] <holstein> SirFunk: there actually are no "sources"
[16:37] <holstein> the packages are in the main repos
[16:38] <holstein> SirFunk: you can open a package manager such as synaptic and search "ubuntustudio" and read about our metapackages
[16:38] <SirFunk> oh... they are hmm..
[16:38] <SirFunk> should there be a ffado package in ubuntu then?
[16:38] <holstein> SirFunk: you can also just install what you need from our packages and not use the metapackages
[16:38] <SirFunk> oh! helps if i spell it correctly :-P
[16:39] <holstein> SirFunk: JACK comes able to use the ffado driver by default
[16:39] <holstein> the "firewire" driver is the new one
[16:39] <holstein> SirFunk: you can install JACK and have access to JACK using the ffado driver
[16:40] <holstein> SirFunk: things should not break, but failure is always an option
[16:40] <holstein> i would just grab our iso, try it live, and learn what you need to use your firewire device
[16:41] <holstein> i do not casually use my firewire device for all or any of my system audio... i use it only for capturing audio in the studio with JACK running
[16:42] <holstein> capturing to and montitoring from ardour
[16:43] <SirFunk> yeah
[16:45] <SirFunk> bah i'm running xfce i think i need dbus
[16:46] <SirFunk> I just want to see if jack/ffado will see my card
[16:50] <len-dt> SirFunk, Do you have a 4G USB stick? Put the ubuntustudio ISO on that and boot the live session. If it works there then your card is supported
[16:51] <len-dt> Then you can see what you need to load on your current system
[16:54] <SirFunk> yeah.. i shall try that later
[16:54] <SirFunk> gotta run out now
[16:54] <SirFunk> thanks
[17:05] <jean> Hi there, I have a question about firewire : On my computer, I have just installed a pci firewire card. It seems to be recognized by the system ("lspci |grep Fire" says there is a card and "dmesg |grep fire" says it created a device fw0). But Kino doesn't recognize the firewire. So I did the floowing fix : sudo ln /dev/fw0 /dev/raw1394 and as I launch kino as root there no more the raw1394...
[17:05] <jean> ...error message. But it doesn't recognize my dv camcorder saying : No AV/C compliant camera connected or not switched on. Any idea ?
[17:37] <ailo> jean: I only know about firewire audio devices. Could be a permission problem.
[17:39] <ailo> jean: But I don't think adding the raw1394 link will solve it
[17:40] <ailo> There's a new firewire stack, since about 2 years ago (introduced with Ubuntu 10.10
[17:42] <ailo> jean: Are you in the video group?
[17:43] <ailo> You can use the command groups to find out
[17:43] <ailo> If not, try that. You need to relogin in order for that to come into effect
[17:45] <ailo> jean: An example of permission rules https://ieee1394.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Juju_Migration#Permissions_and_ownership_for_.2Fdev.2Ffw.2A
[17:46] <ailo> One for audio devices is found at /lib/udev/rules.d/60-ffado.rules
[17:51] <ailo> jean: But, if you tried launching as root, that should have worked of course
[17:52] <ailo> jean: So, did you check whether your device is compatible?
[18:08] <jean> alio : thanx, but wait... i have to get my daughter asleep...
[18:19] <ailo> jean: I'm afraid I can't be of much more help to you, but the page I linked you to has some info on the firewire stack for Linux. Also, I would just try to google on your device + Linux
[18:22] <ailo> My understanding is that by belonging to video group, any supported firewire device with udev rules will work out of the box
[18:23] <ailo> And most devices should already have rules
[19:27] <jean> ailo : do you think a new fresh install could correct this ? because my other pc with a internal firewire card works out of the box. And this one which was already installed don't...
[19:49] <ailo> jean: Is it the same OS and version?
[19:50] <ailo> Some firewire chips aren't reliable, but I have no idea about what that means in practice. I've only ever tried to use a chip that I know is reliable
[19:52] <jean> alio : ok ! I'll keep on trying a few hours and may be I'll try to buy another pci card... thanx
[19:55] <ailo> jean: Try a live image. that should be the fastest way
[19:57] <jean> ailo : good idea !
[21:03] <in_> hello
[21:05] <in_> i am on xubuntu and i want to use a midi usb keyboard, but dont really know where to start
[21:06] <in_> i installed qtractor but it does not seem to receive any midi, any tips? thnx
[21:06] <in_> btw, the setup workx in windows
[21:07] <in_> buzz :)
[21:11] <ailo> in_: I suppose you are familiar with jack?
[21:11] <in_> nope
[21:11] <in_> but i can familiarize if its needed :)
[21:12] <ailo> in_: It's a sound system for "pro" audio applications such as qtractor
[21:12] <in_> aha
[21:12] <ailo> The server starts automatically when you start qtractor
[21:12] <in_> ok
[21:12] <ailo> Now, midi there's two kinds of midi. Jack, and alsa
[21:13] <ailo> You'll be dealing with asla
[21:13] <ailo> alsa*
[21:13] <ailo> In qtractor, there's a button called "connections"
[21:14] <in_> ahh
[21:14] <in_> red one
[21:14] <ailo> Under audio, you'll see your audio device, and any program that supports jack
[21:14] <ailo> All jack programs can interconnect
[21:14] <in_> aha
[21:14] <ailo> Under midi, you should be able to see your midi device, and qtractor
[21:14] <in_> i see mi usb midi under midi tab
[21:14] <in_> *my
[21:15] <ailo> in_: The same guy who wrote qtractor also wrote a nifty tool called qjackctl. I'd recommend you install that too
[21:15] <in_> it is installed
[21:15] <in_> it instaled automaticaly from software center
[21:15] <ailo> You can use that to start jack manually
[21:16] <ailo> And save settings, etc
[21:16] <in_> but how to get midi working ?
[21:17] <ailo> in_: Well. You connect your device with qtractor
[21:17] <in_> connect is grayed
[21:17] <ailo> You need to select the devices you want to connect
[21:17] <ailo> From -> To
[21:18] <in_> :D
[21:18] <in_> i figured it out
[21:18] <in_> big smile on my face
[21:18] <in_> now ill test it
[21:19] <ailo> You won't get good performance at low latencies. To get that working easily, I recommend you install Ubuntu Studio, which uses XFCE as base
[21:19] <ailo> All is set up for realtime audio
[21:19] <ailo> All you need to do is to familiarize yourself with the applications
[21:20] <ailo> You can test it with the live image first
[21:21] <in_> ahh, i am not heading for production
[21:22] <ailo> Well, if you want to play an instrument live, and not have big latencies or chopped up audio, you need to set things up for realtime audio
[21:22] <ailo> Just saying
[21:22] <in_> i am playing with xubuntu and checking to see how soon i will be able to completly replace the crappy xp
[21:23] <in_> of corse i need around 10ms latency
[21:23] <in_> otherwise it'll be useless
[21:23] <ailo> Then you'll need to set up realtime audio
[21:23] <ailo> You can do it manually, but as I said, it's just simpler if you install Ubuntu Studio. Same desktop as Xubuntu
[21:23] <ailo> Prety much
[21:23] <in_> what does that involve ?
[21:24] <in_> i am on alsa now right ?
[21:24] <in_> how much latency should i now get with audiophile 192 ?
[21:24] <ailo> in_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204
[21:25] <ailo> With the proper setup, you should be able to get well under 10ms. Maybe even 2ms
[21:25] <in_> i mean right now, without tuning
[21:25] <in_> :)
[21:26] <in_> sry for not being familiar with alsa/jack stuff yet
[21:26] <ailo> With no setting up, jack can't use realtime operation, so it doesn't have priority
[21:27] <ailo> And you get lousy operation
[21:27] <in_> it asked me something about real time at insall time
[21:27] <in_> i chosed yes
[21:27] <ailo> in_: On Debian, that would be enough. On Ubuntu, you need to also add yourself to audio group
[21:28] <ailo> in a terminal: sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER
[21:28] <ailo> in_: In order to get the most of your system, you also need to install linux-lowlatency
[21:28] <in_> i did it from gui
[21:28] <ailo> On Debian, the user is already member of audio group
[21:29] <ailo> in_: To install linux-lowlatency, in a terminal: sudo apt-get install linux-lowlatency
[21:29] <ailo> Also, make sure you boot into it, when rebooting
[21:29] <ailo> It won't appear in the top of the list, since it's not been updated for a while
[21:30] <in_> boot into it ? is install like a different system or .. ? i am not familiar with that
[21:30] <ailo> in_: Linux is the core of the operationg system. The kernel
[21:30] <in_> linux-lowlatency is another kernel ?
[21:30] <ailo> Yes
[21:31] <in_> k, clear now
[21:31] <ailo> You can have multiple kernels installed on the same os
[21:31] <in_> yup, i got now
[21:31] <ailo> That's all anyway
[21:31] <ailo> Use qjackctl to set your latency lower
[21:31] <ailo> 64 frames/period should do it
[21:31] <in_> i  sill dont have notes in qtrator
[21:32] <in_> :)
[21:32] <ailo> in_: You could ask someone at #opensourcemusicians about that
[21:32] <ailo> I don't much dabble with qtractor myself
[21:32] <in_> but didnt tested enough
[21:33] <in_> i am not asking now, i just need to play a little bit with it first
[21:33] <in_> 30 mins ago i read about it the first time :)
[21:33] <ailo> Well, I think you have enough info to solve things out :)
[21:34] <ailo> in_: When rebooting, if you don't see a boot menu with kernels, use the shift key while booting
[21:34] <in_> yup, i'll only ask more if i'll stuck at anything
[21:34] <in_> thnx alot for your help
[21:34] <ailo> np
[21:35] <in_> what do you use ?
[21:35] <in_> as sequencer ?
[21:35] <ailo> I sometimes use both qtractor and ardour, but very little. I mostly use puredata
[21:35] <in_> puredata ?
[21:36] <in_> is that a sequencer ?
[21:36] <ailo> Yea, not a sequencer. It's live audio programming
[21:36] <in_> or you program
[21:36] <ailo> Or, audio/video programming. It's a graphical language
[21:36] <in_> hmm, that deep
[21:36] <ailo> Very nice for things like creating your own custom effects, etc
[21:37] <in_> *thats deep
[21:37] <in_> i know what you are talking
[21:37] <ailo> It can receive and control any type of signal. midi, audio, video
[21:37] <in_> is it done in the pc ?
[21:37] <in_> or dedicated hardware ?
[21:38] <ailo> Any hardware will do, if PD supports it. audio through jack/alsa/pulseaudio
[21:38] <ailo> I'm not sure about video, but alsa-midi is supported
[21:38] <ailo> Video is supported of course
[21:38] <ailo> But, exactly how, I don't really know
[21:39] <ailo> Keyboard, mouse, com port
[21:39] <ailo> There's also custom HW, like arduino
[21:39] <in_> i made an audio plugin once
[21:39] <ailo> vst?
[21:39] <in_> kx
[21:39] <in_> for kx driver
[21:39] <in_> it was somehow dsp programing at base
[21:40] <in_> i really like area
[21:41] <in_> but complex mathematics somehow scare me :D
[21:41] <ailo> First time I heard of it
[21:41] <in_> of corse, it not mainstream
[21:41] <ailo> pd (puredata) isn't very complex. You can very quickly do fun things with midi
[21:41] <in_> wanna hear its history short ? its quite interesting
[21:41] <ailo> I just looked it up
[21:41] <ailo> http://kxproject.lugosoft.com/
[21:42] <ailo> Looks not updated
[21:42] <in_> kx is an free driver developed buy a guy for boards based on 10k chip from creative/emu
[21:42] <in_> buy=by
[21:42] <in_> :)
[21:43] <in_> http://mixy.0fees.net/
[21:43] <in_> my plugin
[21:43] <in_> on the win98 era someone hacked the emu driver to work with sblive
[21:44] <in_> emu board was ~800 usd, sblive ~100
[21:44] <in_> they had alsomst the same hardware
[21:45] <in_> but the driver was vxd, and xp used wdm drivers, so if you switched to xp emu driver would not work anymore
[21:45] <in_> the driver had hardware real time reverbs/delay etc...
[21:46] <in_> and nobody hacked the wdm driver
[21:46] <ailo> Well, I don't think you should have any trouble ditching XP for linux. I haven't been on anything else for years.
[21:46] <in_> so this gui made his own driver and plugin platform
[21:47] <in_> the power was in the power of the dsp in this boards
[21:48] <in_> right now i miss sketchup
[21:50] <ailo> Hopefully all those applications will soon be web based, and there will be no need to get an OS just to run one app
[21:51] <in_> about pd programming, i really like trance arpegios and i am at the point of comprehending them
[21:52] <in_> i bet more on open source/public domain, than on web based
[21:53] <in_> the problem as i see it is in the posibility of an owner to direct the developement to profit then to usefullness, so web based cannot change this if it is noto also open source
[21:54] <in_> did you do any arps with this pd thing ? how you do it? what are the tools?
[21:55] <in_> btw, i also made a vst, but with synthedit, so no programing involved :), and it's about midi
[21:55] <in_> http://lfox8.0fees.net/
[21:57] <ailo> in_: Companies will always look to make profit, as long as it makes a profit. If making open source code makes a profit, that is what they will do. With web apps, they can reach the client directly, and those that want to pay for it, can, no matter on which OS
[21:58] <ailo> Games I would think will become more and more web based
[22:00] <ailo> in_: Trance Arpeggio? isn't that just an arpeggio for trance music?
[22:00] <in_> yup
[22:01] <in_> trance is very much about music programing, it sound like music but is alot of programing
[22:01] <ailo> You can practically do anything on PD, just that some things take a bit longer on PD, compared to other languages
[22:01] <in_> and the more creative it sound, the more programing was involved :)
[22:01] <ailo> Some things, a lot faster
[22:03] <ailo> pd is perfect for non programmers
[22:03] <ailo> Still requires a bit of effort to get into
[22:03] <in_> i see is hase conection with max
[22:04] <in_> wasnt max similar with synthedit ?
[22:04] <in_> *it has, i have a strange keyboard, sry
[22:05] <ailo> Miller Puckette was the author of the original Max, but stepped away once it became a business
[22:05] <ailo> So, he started puredata
[22:07] <in_> interesting :)
[22:08] <ailo> in_: If you're interested in audio programming, there are lot's of other languages, supercollider, csound, chuck..
[22:08] <ailo> And for graphics, there's processing
[22:09] <in_> i dont like graphics
[22:09] <in_> :)
[22:11] <in_> what is lost with lowlatency kernel ? why is it not default ?
[22:12] <ailo> in_: It's almost a copy of the generic kernel, but requires a bit more resources
[22:12] <ailo> So, battery time should be shorter
[22:12] <ailo> I haven't seen any data on that yet. We will do some testing on that too
[22:12] <in_> ahh, i see, not so resource friendly
[22:13] <ailo> Exactly how much remains to be seen
[22:14] <in_> ahh, that should not be a problem, altough a more flexible swithing would be nice, like low latency being only active when you launch the audio app, and not being needed to boot a special kernel
[22:15] <in_> *switching
[22:15] <in_> btw, recording midi worked, without installing anything, this is amazing in linux :)
[22:15] <in_> i mean ubuntu
[22:16] <ailo> It's nice not having to install any drivers
[22:16] <ailo> Some few devices might require extra firmware though.
[22:16] <ailo> But they are usually available in the repo
[22:16] <in_> i also admin about 9 pcs at my mom bussiness, and i customized an xubuntu live exactly as i need it, i'am really impressed, and i mean it
[22:17] <in_> i also included restricted-firmware in it, it rocks
[22:17] <in_> :)
[22:20] <in_> now i need to get live midi playing work :)
[22:22] <ailo> in_: Try hexter
[22:23] <ailo> Just make sure to start jack first
[22:23] <ailo> If you don't find it in the software center, do: sudo apt-get install hexter
[22:23] <ailo> And use qjackctl to connect
[22:24] <in_> i am in qtractor
[22:24] <in_> isnt jack already started ?
[22:25] <in_> with live i ment real time, i dont want to use it outside qtractor
[22:25] <in_> i need to find an instrument i think, there seem to be none in qtractor
[22:30] <ailo> in_: Hexter is an instrument
[22:30] <ailo> You can also load instruments in qjackctl, if you installed them
[22:30] <ailo> Never did that myself
[22:30] <ailo> Formats are dssi and lv2
[22:33] <in_> do you recomend any synth ?
[22:35] <ailo> in_: Nope. I recommend #opensourcemusicians though. It's a nice channel with a bit more traffic than this one
[22:36] <in_> i already joined that, i just didnt asked the question yet :)
[22:43] <ailo> in_: Er, I meant load instruments into qtractor, not qjackctl
[22:43] <ailo> Many DAW's support instrument loading


[05:38] <silverlion> morning
[08:35] <silverlion> good $daytime elfy
[08:37] <elfy> good morning silverlion :)
[08:38] <elfy> happy hols too - if you do that :)
[08:38] <silverlion> I've taken some projects with me from work
[08:38] <elfy> I've not :D
[08:39] <silverlion> my brain want's to be productive
[08:39] <silverlion> I hate to spent time for nothing
[08:40] <elfy> well - I'll be doing things
[08:44]  * silverlion too
[08:44] <silverlion> like learning some new stuff for office
[08:47] <elfy> yep - always good to learn things :)
[11:23] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:24] <elfy> hi czajkowski :)
[11:25] <popey> yo
[11:25] <elfy> and hi to you too
[11:27] <czajkowski> elfy: popey ello :) how are you both ?
[11:28] <elfy> very good thanks - hope you both had a good day yesterday
[11:28] <czajkowski> we did thanks
[11:28] <elfy> :)
[11:28] <czajkowski> we also got engaged on Monday :)
[11:29] <czajkowski> bit of a crazy week
[11:29] <elfy> ooh - awesome \o/
[11:29] <czajkowski> :D
[11:29] <elfy> congrats to you (both)
[11:29] <czajkowski> thanks - prtty much still in shock
[11:29] <elfy> he he he
[11:29] <elfy> it get's shockier lol
[11:30] <czajkowski> lol
[11:30] <czajkowski> thanks .... i think :p
[11:30] <popey> Set the date yet?
[11:30] <czajkowski> No :)
[11:30] <popey> slacker ☻
[11:31] <czajkowski> lol I just keep walkig around looking at my hand going ohh shiny and forgetting stuff
[11:31] <czajkowski> popey: he even went down on one knee!
[11:31] <popey> \o/
[11:31] <popey> he can join one-knee club
[11:31] <czajkowski> hah
[11:32] <czajkowski> still in shock at how organised he was, had the ring gotten in time, asked my dad that morning and then went to my fav place and went down on one knee while we were walking
[11:32] <popey> \o/ asked dad too.
[11:32] <popey> good lad
[11:32] <czajkowski> Been an excellent trip home
[11:32] <popey> He's been trained well.
[11:32] <popey> Keep it up.
[11:32] <czajkowski> ohh and he bought me  awaffle maker
[11:37] <elfy> ha ha ha
[11:38] <popey> Clare bought me a lava lamp for our first christmas, that's when I knew it was meant to be ;)
[11:38] <popey> Seems the waffle maker sealed the deal for you ☻
[11:42] <czajkowski> hah got it afterwards but oh so cnanot wait till we're back to use it
[11:42] <czajkowski> we're back midnight sunday to pembroke and then a 4 hr drive to Guildford
[11:43] <czajkowski> popey: kids and wifey have a good christmas?
[11:44] <elfy> oh lord - I just worked that out ...
[11:44] <elfy> so he waited till you were both in Ireland till asking - and hoping that it went right :)
[11:44] <czajkowski> yup
[11:44] <czajkowski> we got here sunday and monday he asked :)
[11:44] <elfy> kudos to him :)
[11:45] <czajkowski> he's a good egg :)
[11:45] <elfy> :)
[11:50] <popey> czajkowski: yes!