[09:52] <Unit193> !mako | He isn't on the council anymore is he?
[09:54] <jussi> !forget mako
[09:55] <Unit193> Hey, I was actually right...
[14:23] <mang0> Hello all, I was just wondering if it would be possible to use the ubottu base for my own bot? It seems to be written really nicely, and easy enough to add commands...
[14:35] <jussi> !botclone | mang0
[14:36] <mang0> Lol, I should've guessed!
[14:36] <mang0> Thanks jussi
[20:57] <commandoline> Hello, can I get a Ubuntu Member cloak please? My Launchpad profile is https://launchpad.net/~marten-de-vries .
[20:58] <oCean> AlanBell pici topyli Funkyhat ^
[20:58] <oCean> and congrats commandoline !
[20:58] <commandoline> thanks oCean :)
[20:59] <oCean> Frisian, cool :)
[21:00] <oCean> rare jongens, die Friezen :p
[21:00]  * Fuchs shudders
[21:02] <commandoline> ah, another dutch speaker :)
[21:02] <oCean> and beware, I understand Frisian as well - even work in L'warden!
[21:03] <oCean> Groninger though, so...
[21:03] <commandoline> Not involved with the Dutch loco?
[21:05] <oCean> Nope, OP in #ubuntu now, never had much to do with the loco
[21:05] <commandoline> ok :)
[21:06] <oCean> commandoline: one of the irc council members is needed to get your cloak, so that's why I pinged them^
[21:06] <commandoline> yes, I know. I'm not in a hurry :)
[21:16] <AlanBell> cloaks are on my list of things to learn about
[21:18] <topyli> staff, can we please get an ubuntu/member/commandoline cloak for commandoline?
[21:18]  * AlanBell has now learned how to do them
[21:18] <topyli> not much more to learn. check launchpad and freenode account
[21:19] <AlanBell> how do I check freenode account? just with /whois
[21:19] <commandoline> /msg NickServ info commandoline
[21:19] <commandoline> I guess :P
[21:20] <topyli> yes. basically check that they're identified and what the account name is (it's not always the same as the nick)
[21:20] <AlanBell> ok, then the cloak is /u/m/account right?
[21:20] <topyli> that's what staff prefers
[21:24] <commandoline> thanks for the cloak :)
[21:24] <christel> pleasure :)
[21:24] <topyli> thank you


[06:58] <Kilos> morning all
[07:37] <Kilos> hi bushtech hopping again
[08:25] <Vince-0> he must be in the bush
[08:49] <Kilos> haha ya he is kinda
[08:49] <Kilos> some nature reserve place near pretoria
[08:49] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[08:49] <Kilos> hi bduk
[08:54] <Kilos> bduk, doen my n guns asb. vra mazal om vir die laaste keur net in ons minetest te gaan en sy huis deur te vervand met hout deur of dit te delete
[08:54] <Kilos> en die chests
[08:55] <bduk> More almal
[08:55] <bduk> Eksal vir hom sms
[08:56] <Kilos> dankie baie, se hy kan als uit chests op vloer gooi sommer ek sal skoonmaak dankie
[08:59] <Kilos> anyone got an idea how to make ubuntu see an android tablet so sis kan get her stuff off it to put on her xp pc
[09:05] <Kilos> hi psychicist
[09:09] <psychicist> hi Kilos
[09:18]  * Kilos gotta install something to let ubuntu be able to see and work on an android tablet
[09:22] <SilverCode> Kilos: what kind of tablet is it, and what version of Android is it running?
[09:23] <Kilos> hi SilverCode stylco she says
[09:23] <SilverCode> Google made things much harder with the 4.1 (?) release that prevented you from being able to mount the tablet as a normal HDD
[09:23] <Kilos> i dunno how to find the version on it
[09:24] <SilverCode> normally you go to the settings and choose "About Phone/Tablet"
[09:24] <SilverCode> and it lists the version somewhere
[09:24] <SilverCode> but with the random brands, it that isn't always the case
[09:25] <Kilos> eish 4.1.1
[09:25] <SilverCode> the easiest solution is just use something like Dropbox
[09:25] <Kilos> oi
[09:26] <Kilos> we need to know how to remove pics and music so it has space on it again
[09:26] <Kilos> move them to a flash or something
[09:27] <Kilos> she already has dropbox with lotsa stuff but that was when she was at a free wifi area, here data is limited
[09:27] <SilverCode> on my PC (using Netrunner .. basically Kubuntu 14.04), if I plug my Galaxy Note 10.1 in, it shows up as an MTP device
[09:27] <SilverCode> which allows me to copy stuff off it
[09:28] <Kilos> oh i can go to 14.04 kde
[09:28] <Kilos> so i must just install netrunner?
[09:28] <SilverCode> I have a sneaky suspicion that the problem won't be on the Ubuntu side
[09:28] <SilverCode> but rather the tablet side
[09:29] <Kilos> i looked in synaptic and there are lots of android packages but i havent a clue what is needed
[09:29] <SilverCode> I've dealt with some cheap chiense Android devices that just refuse to show up via USB connections
[09:30] <Kilos> ah
[09:30] <Kilos> terrible things.
[09:30] <SilverCode> if you plug the device in, and run "dmesg | tail", does it look like the PC is actually *seeing* the device?
[09:30] <Kilos> lemme try
[09:32] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s20EVedBaF
[09:32] <Kilos> i just see usb stuff. dont show anything meaningful to me
[09:34] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:45] <SilverCode> well the good news is it knows you have plugged something in
[09:45] <SilverCode> the bad news it is doesn't seem to actuall "register" it
[09:45] <SilverCode> not sure how to get around that
[09:46] <SilverCode> are you plugging it directly into the PC, or connecting through a USB hub?
[09:47] <Kilos> direct on front usb port
[09:47] <Kilos> how can you see it sees it
[09:47] <Kilos> which line told you that
[09:47] <Kilos> hehe
[09:48] <Kilos> isnt it an android app that needs to be installed
[09:53] <Kilos> excuse my ignorance
[10:12] <Kilos> installed some of the android stuff from synaptic related to android devices and new  "dmesg | tail" is very different
[10:12] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2jxfrOQ6z
[10:41] <SilverCode> Kilos: it looks like it is having a hard time communicating properly over USB. Normally this is due to a bad cable/usb port, or the device hasn't followed the proper USB spec
[10:42] <SilverCode> I could be wrong, but I don't think installing anything on the device or the PC will help
[10:42] <Kilos> ah ty SilverCode for your help
[10:43] <SilverCode> sorry I can't give more information, but things like this are hard to debug without having the stuff infront of you
[10:43] <Kilos> np
[10:44] <Kilos> im grateful for any guidance
[13:53] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[14:34] <smile> hoi :p
[14:34] <Kilos> hoi smile
[14:35] <Kilos> :-)
[14:35] <psychicist> hoi smile :)
[14:40] <charl> good afternoon
[14:40] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[14:40]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[14:41] <Kilos> hi psychicist again i think and charl
[14:41] <charl> hi Kilos
[14:43] <psychicist> hi charl
[14:43] <psychicist> hi Kilos
[14:43] <psychicist> yeah
[14:43] <Kilos> haha
[14:43] <psychicist> I am around but relaxing a bit
[14:43] <Kilos> you lucky hey
[14:43] <psychicist> it's weekend after all
[14:43] <psychicist> yeah
[14:43] <Kilos> yeah
[14:43] <psychicist> I also upgraded my Kubuntu from 13.04 to 13.10 and 14.04 last night
[14:44] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[14:44] <psychicist> so I think I deserve it to relax a bit now
[14:44] <charl> hi psychicist
[14:44] <Kilos> whew why not install 14.04 strtaight
[14:44] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[14:44] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[14:44] <Kilos> straight then just run backup
[14:44] <psychicist> because it would be harder, I would have had to mess with the bootloader and stuff
[14:44] <psychicist> because I am running it off an USB drive
[14:45] <Kilos> oh kde aint got a good backup thing like deja-dup in ubuntu
[14:45] <charl> ah i want to try that
[14:45] <charl> running it off usb
[14:45] <Kilos> ah
[14:45] <charl> i tried to install it but it seems like the installer doesn't make it easy
[14:46] <charl> i have an old 16gb one lying here that i could use as a portable ubuntu install
[14:47] <psychicist> yeah
[14:47] <Kilos> i have done it . sold one with 12.04 installed with all the apps for data recovery and drive repair info
[14:47] <psychicist> the installer works
[14:48] <Kilos> i just installed straight to the usb stick
[14:48] <psychicist> but then when I tried to boot the system, the drive letters didn't match
[14:48] <psychicist> or rather the drive names in Linux
[14:48] <charl> it only gave me options to "replace" and "erase" etc but not to do a fresh install on a usb alongside my existing install
[14:48] <psychicist> so /dev/sdc turned out to have changed to /dev/sdb and I had to fix that manually
[14:49] <charl> i fear i might need to first disconnect or wipe the hard drive so i can select a drive to install to
[14:49] <Kilos> oh ya i unplugged the internal and installed
[14:49] <charl> problem to disconnect if i'm on a laptop
[14:49] <charl> then i have to open the whole thing up
[14:49] <charl> ubuntu installer sucks :(
[14:49] <psychicist> I can't unplug the internal because this is my work laptop
[14:49] <Kilos> oi
[14:50] <psychicist> I just don't boot into Windows when I don't need to
[14:50] <charl> i only run windows inside a vm for when i have to use it for some app
[14:50] <charl> our support ticket application only runs in IE at work
[14:50] <charl> so i run it inside vmware
[14:51] <psychicist> I would like to try installing onto an eSATA drive, though
[14:51] <psychicist> I would probably get better performance using that
[14:51] <charl> eSATA - like an external hard drive?
[14:51] <Kilos> in unity with disk-utility you can format the stick to mbr then install should be easy as the dvd sees it as a bootable drive
[14:51] <psychicist> yeah
[14:51] <charl> yeah but then you have to plug it in every time, and it's much larger than a flash drive
[14:51] <charl> these days you get 32gb or larger on a flash drive
[14:52] <psychicist> oh, but I am using an USB drive actually
[14:52] <charl> which is more than enough for a system disk
[14:52] <psychicist> I mean and external USB hard drive
[14:52] <psychicist> an*
[14:52] <psychicist> with a full installation of Kubuntu
[14:52] <charl> oh i see
[14:52] <charl> actually one step better would be sd card
[14:53] <psychicist> probably yes
[14:53] <charl> because sd card fits nicely internally so i can move my laptop around freely without fear of knocking out or damaging the usb flash drive
[14:53] <charl> although then it's not as portable anymore because i can't boot a regular pc off it without an sd card reader
[14:53] <charl> but super handy for laptops though
[14:54] <charl> some desktops have sd card readers but most don't :(
[14:54] <psychicist> you can always build a card reader into it like I did
[14:55] <charl> possible but it's my work machine so i don't want to mess with it too much
[14:55] <charl> my laptop is my personal one
[14:56] <psychicist> oh, I understand
[14:56] <psychicist> an external USB card reader then, but that would defeat the purpose probably
[14:58] <charl> i dunno i still have a spare usb flash drive lying around, i'll do that first :)
[14:58] <charl> will see about the card later
[14:58] <Kilos> i just wanted a bootable ubuntu stick for repairing crashed pcs mainly boot probs and then for data recovery
[14:59] <Kilos> and it works
[14:59] <charl> Kilos: that's a good thing to have lying around
[15:00] <Kilos> haha i had it for 2 weeks. was planning on selling them with a booklet i wrote but ian grabbed it and gave me R2oo so i was happy
[15:00] <Kilos> oi
[15:00] <Kilos> R200
[15:00] <Kilos> stick cost R110
[15:00] <Kilos> 16G
[15:01] <Kilos> he used it to fix his pc, and now uses it at clients as well
[15:02] <Kilos> i installed boot-repair on it as well and that comes in handy with pcs with boot probs
[15:02] <charl> psychicist: you do java development as well ?
[15:02] <charl> or you were learning it ?
[15:03] <superfly> anyone got any clues as to why my plasma doesn't load once I've logged in?
[15:03] <psychicist> charl, I know java actually, but I am not doing any development at the moment. I want to get certified for OCAJ/OCPJ
[15:04] <charl> psychicist: ah, i tried eclim for the first time yesterday, it was a bit of a pain to get working properly but once i "got it" it works really nicely
[15:04] <psychicist> charl, what is that?
[15:04] <charl> psychicist: problem with eclim is it's based off eclipse, and i don't know what you think of eclipse, but i really don't like it
[15:05] <charl> eclim is a vim plugin for java development that works off eclipse in the background
[15:05] <psychicist> oh, I don't like eclipse either
[15:05] <charl> so you get things like context menus for all your java classes etc
[15:05] <Kilos> sjoe superfly ian had that and someone gave me a command for him to run
[15:05] <psychicist> that is quite nice, yes
[15:05] <charl> wb smile
[15:06] <Kilos> something with sudo blah blah plasma start or start plasma
[15:06] <charl> psychicist: i don't really care for context menus that much but they are handy sometimes
[15:06] <smile> thanks :p
[15:06] <superfly> charl, psychicist, have you guys looked at IntelliJ?
[15:06] <charl> nope, googling
[15:07] <smile> charl: I'm trying out a bash script, which involves restarting Firefox :P
[15:07] <charl> smile: ah you use chatzilla... :)
[15:07] <charl> superfly: does it have good maven integration ?
[15:08] <superfly> not sure, I don't do Java
[15:08] <charl> lol
[15:08] <superfly> they have a Python plugin, so I use that
[15:08] <psychicist> superfly, hi. I haven't looked at it, no. I have netbeans installed in case I need an IDE
[15:08] <charl> i'll park it and perhaps i can try it at work
[15:08] <superfly> well, I use PyCharm, which is the python plugin in a product
[15:08] <charl> we were looking for a better ide than eclipse because we all hate it
[15:08] <superfly> in my experience it's the IDE that sucks the least
[15:08] <charl> i refuse to use it, i use vim instead, still the best editor :)
[15:08] <psychicist> yeah
[15:09] <charl> ah i see it has support for spring
[15:09] <superfly> I'm waiting for KDevelop to have a decent Python plugin... right now PyCharm still beats it, but PyCharm is still annoying.
[15:09] <charl> that's good
[15:09] <superfly> we moved our C++ dev from Eclipse CDT to KDevelop
[15:10] <charl> i used to use kdevelop long time ago (7 years or so)
[15:10] <charl> since then moved to vim and never looked back
[15:11] <superfly> we do a lot of pairing, so we need to be able to just sit down at any PC and work
[15:11] <superfly> thus KDevelop works the best
[15:11] <superfly> (and it's got some pretty awesome features)
[15:12] <charl> superfly: do you work like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYBjVTMUQY0
[15:13] <superfly> hahaha
[15:13] <superfly> I know that video well
[15:13] <superfly> we use BitBucket at work, and when that video came out it did the rounds
[15:13] <charl> my response to pair programming: no thank you :P
[15:13] <smile> charl: yes :p
[15:13] <charl> oh my goodness, a pull request
[15:14] <charl> :O
[15:14] <charl> fork, spoon and knife
[15:14] <superfly> charl: have you seen this? https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat
[15:15] <charl> superfly: nope, watching it now
[15:17] <charl> superfly: hmmm can't download the .mov and i don't have flash installed
[15:17] <charl> when i try to download the mov it keeps pausing or something
[15:17] <superfly> might be on youtube
[15:18] <charl> oh wait, here it goes now
[15:18] <charl> just had to retry 10 times
[15:19] <superfly> ok
[15:19] <superfly> seemed to work for me
[15:20] <charl> amazon s3 bah
[15:20] <charl> for a company that was "the first" they seem to have fallen far behind
[15:22] <charl> whahaha that video
[15:22] <charl> ok i'm off ttyl all
[15:24] <psychicist> see you later charl
[15:32] <smile> charl: apparently, I can create multiple profiles for firefox, one test profile and one running profile :p
[15:38] <superfly> Kilos: I found my problem.... disk space
[15:38] <superfly> I'm running this particular Kubuntu off an 8 gig flash drive
[15:38] <superfly> 8 is actually too little...
[15:46] <Kilos> ouch superfly what size disk?
[15:46] <Kilos> oh ok i read more
[15:46] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:47] <Kilos> hi Rynomster
[15:52] <Kilos> maybe i must get 0ad with my night surfer data, minetest is using 3 or 4 months data a month
[15:52] <Kilos> but i love it
[16:22] <theblazehen> Kilos: try freeciv or freecol maybe?
[16:22] <Kilos> what are they theblazehen ?
[16:23] <Kilos> i need something that doesnt wanna go online
[16:23] <Kilos> want to
[16:27] <Kilos> and i cannot stop playing minetest, just need to limit how much i do
[16:27] <charl> have you people been looking at blackphone
[16:28] <Kilos> ya since i was young, all telcom phones were black
[16:28] <Kilos> hehe
[16:28] <Kilos> now telcom is telkom
[16:30] <charl> talking about https://www.blackphone.ch/
[16:31] <charl> the review (in dutch) does not sound so positive http://webwereld.nl/beveiliging/83057-blackphone-traag--onhandig-maar-wel-superveilig-update
[16:32] <charl> i'm looking for a 100
[16:33] <charl> 100% open source phone
[16:33] <charl> sorry hit enter by mistake
[16:51] <Kilos> lol
[16:51] <Kilos> i enjoy when you okes also make mistakes
[16:51] <charl> Kilos: we are human we make mistakes all the time :P
[16:51] <Kilos> i often have to first edit my lines
[16:52] <charl> problem is once you hit enter it's out there :P
[16:52] <Kilos> ya lol
[16:53] <Kilos> i get killed lots in minetest from hitting wrong keys
[16:54] <charl> http://zestmobile.net/ nice !
[17:58] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:02] <Kilos> superfly, i found the original hole in the top lava source that you and the monkey fixed way back then
[18:02] <Kilos> graeme taught me how to work with lava
[18:03] <Kilos> n ow i can clean up my whole mine
[18:03] <Kilos> bit of a stutter there
[18:05] <theblazehen> Anyone know how to compile java prjects?
[18:10] <mazal> Evening everyone
[18:10] <mazal> Oom Kilos here ?
[18:10] <Kilos> ya ek is
[18:11] <mazal> Barry het my laat weet ek moet my huise se deure oopmaak
[18:11] <mazal> Maar ek het nie daai adres by die huis nie , kan oom vir my gee asb.
[18:11] <Kilos> nie moet nie maar sal jy asb. en die kaste
[18:11] <Kilos> sec
[18:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[18:58] <smile> good night!
[18:58] <smile> :)
[18:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> was it something i said? :-o
[18:58] <smile> nope ;)
[19:01] <charl> hey magespawn
[19:02] <magespawn> hey cahrl
[19:02] <magespawn> woops
[19:02] <magespawn> hey charl
[19:03] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy magespawn
[19:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi Kilos
[19:03] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[19:03] <magespawn> ho ThatGraemeGuy
[19:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[19:10] <charl> magespawn: you know stuff about asterisk right ?
[19:10] <charl> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[19:10] <magespawn> yup charl, some stuff at least
[19:10] <charl> magespawn: how well does sip work behind nat routing these days
[19:10] <charl> cause that used to be a major problem
[19:12] <magespawn> the asterisk authenticates to the external sip server and keeps the connection alive that way
[19:13] <charl> i'm looking at some options right now for secure voip
[19:13] <charl> i'm mainly looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZRTP
[19:13] <charl> i'm also looking at jitsi and freeswitch atm
[19:14] <magespawn> never heard of jitsi but i think freeswitch is based on asterisk
[19:14] <charl> jitsi is looking really awesome right now
[19:16]  * magespawn goes to look
[19:16] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jitsi
[19:24] <magespawn> that looks pretty complete
[19:25] <charl> ja man
[19:27] <charl> i already run an xmpp server (prosody) so i wonder if it will work
[19:27] <charl> if i just run voip over jitsi using xmpp+jingle
[19:28] <charl> otherwise i will need to look at adding some voip / sip server but then it will have to be secure and encrypted, preferably end to end
[19:28] <charl> that's why i was looking at zrtp
[19:28] <charl> but back when i used to work with asterisk (many years ago) i found it to be very insecure
[19:28] <charl> practically nothing was encrypted back then and there weren't even proper authentication mechanisms
[19:28] <charl> it was all "we trust you cause you're on the lan" and also hence the problems with nat routing
[19:28] <Rynomster> hi Kilos
[19:29] <Rynomster> how are you?
[19:29] <charl> nat traversal shouldn't be necessary in any case considering we should all be using ipv6y already
[19:29] <charl> *ipv6
[19:29] <Kilos> well ty Rynomster and you?
[19:29] <charl> hi Rynomster
[19:29] <Rynomster> im well thx :)
[19:29] <Kilos> just cold actually
[19:29] <Rynomster> hit charl
[19:29] <Rynomster> hi*
[19:29] <charl> lol
[19:29] <Rynomster> yea very cold :(
[19:29] <charl> no please don't hit me :)
[19:29] <Rynomster> soz lol
[19:29]  * Rynomster slaps charl with a large trout
[19:29] <magespawn> i do not think that all the isp's here in sa have given put ipv6 addresses to the customers yet
[19:30] <charl> i think that counts for most countries sadly
[19:30] <charl> magespawn: http://www.google.com/intl/nl/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption
[19:31] <Kilos> does ipv6 mean data disappears faster?
[19:31] <charl> germany and the us are both doing pretty well but as for the rest ...
[19:31] <charl> Kilos: data disappears? what?
[19:31] <charl> i hope it won't increase packet loss no...
[19:31] <Kilos> lol i mean gets used quicker man
[19:31] <Kilos> caps that is
[19:32] <Kilos> you uncapped peeps are spoiled
[19:32] <charl> eh, i don't think that has anything to do with it
[19:32] <charl> ipv6 is just the follow-up of ipv4 with better protocols and much more address space
[19:32] <Kilos> oh course
[19:32] <charl> so it will probably remain unchanged in that respect
[19:32] <Kilos> oh so not faster
[19:32] <charl> as in, it won't make a significant difference either way
[19:33] <magespawn> i was wondering about how the tracking of computers would work with ipv6
[19:33] <charl> tracking of computers ?
[19:33] <charl> how do you mean
[19:34] <magespawn> well as i understand it the last part of an ipv6 address in unique to the computer
[19:36] <charl> the last 64 bits is the network segment part
[19:37] <charl> so the first 64 bits identifies the network segment and the last 64 bits is upscaled from the 48-bit mac address on the network segment
[19:37] <charl> or the computer can choose a random mac address (privacy extensions)
[19:37] <charl> and that keeps changing over time too
[19:37] <charl> so every day for example you can have a new randomised ip address
[19:38] <charl> s/random mac address/random last 64 bits/
[19:38] <charl> it can also of course randomise the mac address but that's a different story
[19:39] <charl> when you look at an "upscaled" mac address it has the trademark "ff:fe" in there somewhere
[19:40] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6_address#Modified_EUI-64
[19:40] <magespawn> i thought the mac would stay fixed, unless you took stpes to change it
[19:40] <charl> yes you can easily randomise the mac address but you have to do it using the operating system after booting
[19:41] <charl> because by default it will always revert back to what the manufacturer set it to
[19:42] <magespawn> most people would not know to even look to do that
[19:42] <charl> you can use macchanger for example
[19:42] <charl> https://github.com/alobbs/macchanger
[19:43] <charl> you can also set it using the ifconfig command
[19:43] <charl> sudo ifconfig eth0 hw ether AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF
[19:43] <charl> but privacy extensions are enabled by default on debian and ubuntu
[19:43] <charl> openbsd too
[19:43] <charl> and i would assume most other gnu/linux or *bsd distrobutions
[19:44] <charl> so there should be absolutely no need for worry
[19:45] <magespawn> i do use the other os a fair amount
[19:45] <charl> bbl
[19:45] <charl> need to go shower
[19:45] <charl> been hot and humid all day and i'm sweaty :(
[19:48] <magespawn> showers are good
[19:53] <magespawn> amusing how the map of alaska is green, i wonder how many addresses they use up there
[19:59] <Kilos> how are you magespawn ?
[20:12] <charl> big soccer match now
[20:12] <charl> nl vs costa rica
[20:42] <magespawn> Kilos i am fine, a bit tired from a busy week
[20:42] <Kilos> sjoe , look after yourself man
[20:43] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[20:43] <Xethron> hi Kilos
[21:00] <magespawn> Kilos, it is all good thanks
[21:00] <Kilos> ok
[21:01] <magespawn> i am off to bed now, good night all
[21:02] <magespawn> exit
[21:42] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[07:41] <Satoris> Unity 2D's dash not showing is _not_ caused by the gesture stack. I can verify that it does get the gestures, but the Dash visibility toggling code does not do what it is supposed to.
[14:15] <cnd> dandrader, bregma, tvoss: standups!
[14:15]  * bregma sips some cold dark-roasted Sumatran
[14:15] <tvoss> working on chromium patch, https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/utouch-frame/generic-backend and #950974
[14:15] <bregma> just fixed #973539, writing a good test case (hopefully)
[14:15] <cnd> I'm *still* working on bug 974887, which involves many nasty hairy issues in the server when touchscreen pointer emulation is performed
[14:16] <bregma> I don't like touching hairy issues
[14:16] <cnd> here's the gist:
[14:16] <cnd> you have two touches in sequence, down up down up
[14:16] <cnd> both are grabbed by a touch grab
[14:16] <dandrader> I'm rebasing my s/geisv1/geisv2 refactoring on unity gestures code on top of my changes done for https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/978378
[14:16] <cnd> the second touch is rejected before the first touch
[14:17] <cnd> while both touches can be pointer emulated, we can't send pointer events for touch 2 before touch 1
[14:17] <dandrader> then I'll continue working on looking at what's missing on unity 3d gestures
[14:17] <cnd> dandrader, I'm sorry I haven't had a chance to test your unity fix yet
[14:17] <cnd> I hope to finish off the bug I'm working on this morning
[14:17] <cnd> and then I'll get to testing it
[14:18] <dandrader> cnd, ok
[14:18] <bregma> cnd, do you know if is there a directive in xorg.conf to force the server to NOT load an extension?
[14:19] <cnd> bregma, which extension?
[14:19] <cnd> I don't know anything off the top of my head
[14:19] <cnd> man xorg.conf
[14:19] <bregma> yeah, I'm doing that but asking is quicker, if you know the answer
[14:20] <bregma> I want to disable the XInput extension to test what happens when uTouch is used against a server that does not have it
[14:20] <bregma> that bug is reported frequently, we need to handle it gracefully
[14:20] <cnd> bregma, whoa, I don't think that's possible
[14:20] <cnd> I think there are some extensions that are not optional
[14:20] <cnd> and XI is one of them
[14:21] <bregma> well, I can test against no server at all, the code path is almost the same
[14:21] <bregma> but not identical
[14:21] <cnd> bregma, you could also patch the server to not advertise it?
[14:21] <bregma> not worth it for a simple regression test
[14:22] <cnd> yeah
[14:22] <bregma> as far as uTouch is concenrned, no server and no XI2.2 are pretty much the same thing
[17:37] <cnd> so many bugs I'm encountering when using a touchscreen...
[17:46] <tvoss> cnd, ping
[17:46] <cnd> tvoss, pong
[17:46] <tvoss> cnd, finished pimpl'ing of the generic backend, unit tests pass: https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/utouch-frame/generic-backend
[17:47] <cnd> cool
[17:48] <tvoss> cnd, next step: port over the x backend, or should I go for documenting the code and start porting the x backend after that?
[17:48] <cnd> tvoss, documentation should be done first, methinks
[17:48] <cnd> it also helps one notice holes in implementations :)
[17:48] <tvoss> cnd, no problem, will tackle that first
[17:49] <cnd> tvoss, I think we might want to rename the includes as <utouch/backend/*>
[17:49] <tvoss> cnd, yeah, do you think we should rename generic to something like legacy?
[17:50] <cnd> tvoss, why legacy?
[17:50] <tvoss> cnd, I think due to my bad understanding of english ;)
[17:50] <tvoss> let me give leo a try
[17:50] <cnd> tvoss, legacy in this context would mean something kept around from the past
[17:51] <cnd> like a compatibility layer
[17:52] <tvoss> cnd, ack ... and totally misleading :) stick with generic then?
[17:52] <cnd> tvoss, I think we might want to structure this as src/v2/backend/<backend framework implementation> and src/v2/backends/<backend implementations>
[17:52] <cnd> ?
[17:52] <cnd> oh wait, I'm wrapping my head around this the wrong way
[17:53] <cnd> hmm
[17:54] <tvoss> cnd, but the structure is fine for me
[17:54] <cnd> tvoss, what I'm thinking is that the generic backend implementation should be part of the main implementation
[17:54] <cnd> right now you have a generic backend on top of the main implementation
[17:54] <cnd> so it sits beside the current X backend
[17:55] <cnd> instead, should we move the generic backend code into the main implementation itself?
[17:55] <tvoss> yeah, like a well-defined interface to the underlying implementation
[17:56] <cnd> yeah
[17:56] <tvoss> awesome
[17:58] <cnd> the idea really is that we are creating a public api for the frame backend, which is currently private
[17:59] <tvoss> indeed, encouraging people to "port" frame in terms of custom backends
[18:06] <tvoss> cnd, do you have any feedback from jorge regarding the uds sessions?
[18:06] <cnd> tvoss, they are scheduled
[18:06] <cnd> I'll forward you the email
[18:06] <tvoss> cnd, thanks
[18:45] <dandrader> cnd, I'm starting to think that fixing this drag timeout issue in unity is more important than porting it to geisv2 api
[18:46] <cnd> dandrader, the fix merely entails exposing the threshold and timeout configuration through geis
[18:46] <cnd> you can ask bregma for details on how to do it
[18:46] <cnd> it should be simple
[18:46] <cnd> grail already has an API for setting the configurations
[18:49] <dandrader> cnd, is the "flick" gesture type working or is it deprecated?
[18:50] <cnd> dandrader, it was an attempt to make a flick or a hold gesture possible with the old architecture
[18:50] <cnd> I don't think there's any reason it shouldn't still work, but it may be better to do it on the client side of geis
[18:50] <cnd> bregma?
[19:02] <cnd> I think I'm down to one last issue in the server, but it's very intermittent
[19:02] <cnd> I can't seem to nail it down
[19:03] <dandrader> cnd, should we expose those gesture configurations only in geisv2 or also in geisv1?
[19:03] <cnd> dandrader, I think only in geis 2
[19:03] <cnd> it's not worth the effort in geis 1
[19:04] <dandrader> ok. so the fix for that in unity will carry along with it the port for geisv2 api :)
[19:07] <bregma> I don;t think flick has been tested in a very long time
[19:08] <bregma> ... the geis v1 configuration is a passthrough to the geis v2 configuration, the only extra work is in setting up the test cases (test cases are about 500% of the work involved in most tasks)
[19:18] <cnd> dandrader, this isn't a fix for a bug in precise is it?
[19:18] <cnd> it's needed for future gesture work, correct?
[19:19] <dandrader> cnd, it's in precise
[19:19] <cnd> dandrader, so what is the bug, and why do we need to configurations?
[19:19] <bregma> the door is rapidly swinging closed for precise
[19:19] <dandrader> if you put 3 fingers over a window, wait a second or so, and then start dragging them the window will stay put since the drag gesture has timed out
[19:20] <cnd> dandrader, there are two resolutions:
[19:20] <cnd> 1. Won't fix
[19:20] <cnd> 2. use the info from the touch gesture events instead
[19:20] <cnd> I'm fine with either, tbh
[19:21] <cnd> people who want to move their windows are very likely to begin moving them as soon as they touch them
[19:21] <dandrader> I think it would be silly to have this limitation
[19:22] <cnd> dandrader, yes, I don't think we should have the limitation either, but it's not a huge deal imo
[19:22] <dandrader> it's not huge, sure
[19:22] <cnd> and I think it's worked this way for multiple releases, so it's not a regression either
[19:22] <dandrader> but it's not a rare situation either, I think
[19:23] <cnd> dandrader, sometimes you have to cut your losses and hope to fix things in the next release :)
[19:23] <cnd> it's only 6 months away :)
[19:23] <cnd> btw, I'm going to try your unity branch right now
[19:27] <cnd> argh, nux changes again
[19:28] <cnd> wait a minute...
[19:29] <cnd> it's trying to in include Nux/Nux.h
[19:29] <cnd> but all the nux -dev packages are namespaced like Nux-2.0/Nux.h
[19:29] <cnd> how is this supposed to compile?
[19:30] <cnd> dandrader, do you have /usr/include/Nux?
[19:31] <dandrader> the path is [...]/Nux-2.0/Nux/Nux.h
[19:31] <cnd> ahh
[19:31] <cnd> so in my build configuration it isn't looking in the right place for some reason
[19:32] <dandrader> you might want to rm * -rf build and run cmake again
[19:32] <cnd> I just did a clean checkout and cmake configuration
[19:32] <cnd> nothing would have changed
[19:33] <dandrader> did it find nux at all?
[19:36] <cnd> I resolved it
[19:36] <cnd> I did what you said :)
[19:36] <cnd> because cmake failed once because I was missing a dep
[19:36] <cnd> so I installed the dep and reran it
[19:37] <cnd> but apparently rerunning cmake doesn't produce the same result as a clean cmake run
[19:38] <dandrader> yeah, cmake seems to do a lot of caching
[19:39]  * bregma keeps studiously silent
[19:39] <cnd> yeah, that's it's point, but if it caches it needs to do so correctly :)
[19:39] <bregma> woo-hoo, I got a jenkins failure mail for the first time evarr
[19:40] <cnd> yay
[19:41] <bregma> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/src/xorg-gtest-all.cpp', needed by `libgtest_geis_a-xorg-gtest-all.o'.  Stop.
[19:41] <bregma> hmmmm
[19:42] <cnd> bregma, sounds like an out of date aclocal macro
[19:42] <cnd> the gtest prefix isn't being set properly
[19:43] <cnd> bregma, oh right
[19:43] <cnd> this was an issue in the pbuilder-jenkins setup
[19:43] <cnd> check the build log for it attempting to install some dependencies
[19:43] <cnd> like xorg-gtest
[19:44] <cnd> it is probably trying to install libxorg-gtest0, which doesn't exist anymore
[19:44] <cnd> I remember hitting this issue with grail
[19:50] <cnd> dandrader, I'm hitting bugs in the x server with your branch again, so it'll be a bit before I can get back to you...
[19:52] <dandrader> ok
[20:57] <cnd> I'm getting really annoyed with pointer emulation bugs
[20:58] <cnd> however, this new bug looks to be a compiz bug
[21:03] <bregma> yay, play pass the bug
[21:06] <cnd> oo, it is a bug in the unity gesture code
[21:06] <cnd> I think it's always been there
[21:06] <cnd> and my X fixes have activated it from being dormant to being a real issue
[21:07] <cnd> dandrader, when gestures start, they call pushGrab
[21:07] <cnd> when they end, they call releaseGrab
[21:07] <cnd> removeGrab I mean
[21:07] <cnd> when I do a three touch drag, I see a pushGrab for both pinch and drag
[21:07] <cnd> but I only see removeGrab when the pinch finishes
[21:08] <cnd> I'm not sure yet if the drag gesture finish isn't being sent, or if there's some other issue
[21:09] <dandrader> cnd, and what does the missing removeGrab causes
[21:09] <dandrader> ?
[21:09] <cnd> dandrader, the compiz grab grabs the X pointer
[21:09] <cnd> so now the pointer is grabbed, which means only compiz sees any pointer motion
[21:10] <cnd> it looks like the code is ok though
[21:10] <cnd> so this could end up being a bug in the server after we unravel it all
[21:13] <dandrader> the gesture recognition parameters (timeout and threshold), should they be exposed via GeisSubscription or GeisGestureClass?
[21:14] <cnd> bregma ^^?
[21:15] <cnd> dandrader, found the bug in the GestureEngine
[21:15]  * dandrader listens
[21:17] <cnd> so in EndDrag(), we check if the drag gesture id is valid
[21:17] <cnd> however, it merely checks if the id is non-zero
[21:17] <cnd> the first gesture has an id of 0, so this is clearly wrong
[21:19] <cnd> we don't really need to check _drag_id
[21:19] <cnd> checking _drag_window is enough
[21:19] <dandrader> its "empty" value should be -1 instead of 0
[21:20] <cnd> dandrader, even then that isn't quite right
[21:20] <cnd> a gesture id is an unsigned value, and -1 is valid, IIRC
[21:20] <dandrader> ?
[21:21] <cnd> well, -1 means 0xffffffff
[21:22] <cnd> so it would be valid, after a really long time
[21:22] <dandrader> _drag_id in an int
[21:22] <dandrader> s/in/is
[21:23] <dandrader> although it should probably be an unsigned int, to match the geis definition. in which case -1 wouldn't be possible
[21:23] <cnd> then it's wrong
[21:23] <cnd> yeah
[21:23] <cnd> so there's no "invalid" gesture id
[21:24] <cnd> but that's ok :)
[21:24] <cnd> I have a patch!
[21:24] <dandrader> good
[21:24] <cnd> dandrader, http://paste.ubuntu.com/925516/
[21:25] <cnd> _drag_window is maintained properly throughout the code
[21:25] <cnd> so checking it alone is good enough
[21:25] <cnd> dandrader, now for the bad news
[21:26] <cnd> your changes don't seem to have affected my ability to interact with objects even though some touches are outside their bounds
[21:26] <cnd> I'll see if I can figure it out
[21:27] <dandrader> cnd, but the corresponding unit test is passing! :)
[21:27] <cnd> heh
[21:28] <cnd> dandrader, so the device is NULL
[21:28] <dandrader> ah... that's it
[21:28] <cnd> and thus it falls over to going the indirect device route
[21:28] <dandrader> yes
[21:29] <dandrader> so geisv1 is not providing device info?
[21:29] <cnd> or the unity code isn't handling things right
[21:30] <cnd> in FindCompWindow, the frame->deviceid seems wrong
[21:30] <cnd> it's 0xe310, a rather high value for an incremented value, IIRC
[21:32] <cnd> it is getting the value from geis
[21:37] <cnd> oh, it is likely right
[21:37] <cnd> it's the lower 16 bits of the UFDevice value, which is a pointer
[21:40] <cnd> so the devices array in the gesture engine is empty
[21:40] <dandrader> cnd, geisv1 is not calling any of the callbacks provided via geis_input_funcs()
[21:41] <cnd> ok
[21:41] <dandrader> s/geis_input_funcs/geis_input_devices
[21:41] <cnd> bregma, geis bug!
[21:41] <dandrader> :)
[21:44]  * cnd builds a debug version of geis
[21:53] <cnd> it looks like devices that existed at start up are not handled
[21:57] <cnd> when I add my magic trackpad, the callbacks work
[21:59] <bregma> that's odd
[21:59] <cnd> bregma, when I try geistest it doesn't print out all the connected devices like it used to
[21:59] <cnd> I made sure to use -w <window id>
[22:00] <cnd> however, it always errors out with error in geis_init...
[22:00] <cnd> I guess that's the real bug with geistest
[22:00] <bregma> hmm, I wonder what could possibly have changed
[22:02] <bregma> I will have to look at it later tonight, then
[22:03] <bregma> gotta run, back later....
[22:04] <cnd> dandrader, do you have a good idea on how to test the DragEnd() fix?
[22:05] <cnd> so we can propose it
[22:05] <dandrader> cnd, of course
[22:06] <dandrader> cnd, test/test-gesture-engine has mocks for Compiz stuff
[22:06] <cnd> ok
[22:07] <cnd> I'm so glad that bug was a simple issue in compiz
[22:07] <dandrader> hopefully just a matter of doing count++ for each pushGrab call received and count-- for each removeGrab received and then checking if count ==0 in the end
[22:07] <cnd> I was shouting expletives at my computer
[22:08] <cnd> I'm very tired of the mess that is pointer emulation for touchscreens
[22:11] <cnd> dandrader, so I should add a grab counter in CompScreenMock?
[22:12] <dandrader> cnd, I don't see why not
[22:12] <cnd> ok
[22:13] <cnd> I'm trying to figure out how all this works :)
[22:13] <cnd> dandrader, does this look right? http://paste.ubuntu.com/925597/
[22:16] <dandrader> maybe you would want to do the grab/remove counting per GrabHandle
[22:16] <cnd> hmm
[22:17] <dandrader> having a hash that maps a GrabHandle to its grab/remove count
[22:20] <dandrader> In my tests I couldn't reproduce the missing removeGrab. I wonder if using a touchscreen instead of a trackpad makes any different.
[22:21] <cnd> dandrader, there's only a list of grabs
[22:21] <cnd> it's not per grab handle
[22:21] <cnd> so a grab count should be correct
[22:21] <dandrader> even better
[22:21] <cnd> dandrader, check if your gesture id for your drag is 0?
[22:21] <cnd> that's the only way to trigger the bug
[22:27] <dandrader> ah, right. that's a tough one. the very first drag I do gets id 1 (probably the touch gesture got the id 0)
[22:27] <dandrader> but well, I'm done for the day


[08:17] <topi`> supergonkas: very quiet here. I asked something yesterday and nobody said anything after that
[08:53] <Joy> hi there... so i have this machine where 'initctl start rc' hangs :)
[08:53] <Joy> i messed with upstart config by injecting several local tasks
[08:53] <Joy> what's the best way to debug this?
[08:54] <Joy> i have a job that runs a long time upon boot, 291 seconds the last time around
[08:54] <Joy> and then it finishes, and things should proceed after that, but they don't
[08:54] <Joy> is there a timeout on upstart's attempts to proceed?
[10:05] <topi`> Joy: there might be some, but I didn't find in docs
[10:05] <topi`> Joy: I also have a weird startup problem, a .conf file mysteriously fails but no trace of the reason in logs
[10:07] <topi`> hmm, actually, now there WAS a reason in syslog... it could not change the working directory
[10:07] <topi`> need to reboot, br


 Even though she's never been there. :/
[03:24] <Cheri703> yeah, I've been talking about that with em in pm
[19:24] <_bbb> im still on vacation
[19:25] <_bbb> thafreak - i get the emails when you do
[19:25] <_bbb> the damned thing as it were


[01:56] <dhillon-v10> quit
[15:51] <dobey> for person.getMembersByStatus() do results of "Approved" include people whose status is "Administrator"?
[16:08] <dobey> no it does not
[18:23] <sayakb> hello! I just read a UWN article and noticed that some work is being done in moving LP pages to AJAX. i dont have bzr setup, so before I checkout anything, can someone tell me about the other things I'll need to have it running locally? for example, is LP php based? ;)
[18:25]  * sayakb notices py
[21:18] <mwhudson> good morning
[21:54] <allenap> mwhudson: Morning, and good night :)
[22:15] <thumper> morning
[22:27] <mwhudson> thumper: call?
[22:27] <thumper> mwhudson: ok
[22:28] <mwhudson> thumper: skype doesn't think you're online (even when i try to call)(
[23:47] <jml> good morning
[23:47] <mwhudson> jml: hello!
[23:48] <jml> mwhudson, hi :)
[23:48] <jml> having an espresso machine is nice and all
[23:48] <jml> but very little beats a six cup plunger filled with eight cups worth of coffee.
[23:51] <mwhudson> yeah, i have similar views
[23:51] <mwhudson> (although i prefer filter to plunger coffee)
[23:57] <jml> understandable


[20:07] <maldridge> fallore: you're looking for a different DE, lxde is lightweight, cinnamon is very windows like if you're not in a networked environment
[20:07] <mgolisch> chroot into the install, run blkid to get uuid for the /boot fs add it to correctly to your fstab and run update-grub
[20:07] <maldridge> both will be more windows like
[20:07] <fallore> maldridge, what exactly do you mean by networked environment?
[20:07] <mgolisch> or manuyl add it to your grub.cfg
[20:07] <maldridge> fallore: network logon
[20:08] <fallore> ah ok maldrige, thanks a lot. i was using and enjoying cinnamon on linux mint so i might try that again
[20:08] <transhuman> already did the uuid no problem
[20:08] <transhuman> so I guess I will chroot into install problem is its on lvm
[20:08] <maldridge> fallore: cinnamon has a huge bug for networked environments right now, if you don't have that its great;  you can get it from a PPA
[20:08] <mgolisch> then all should be golden
[20:08] <mgolisch> grub would only need to access /boot to load its config and the kernels
[20:09] <fallore> maldridge, is lubuntu a different distro or just a reference to ubuntu using that specific DE?
[20:09] <mgolisch> it shouldnt realy care for any of your lvm stuff
[20:09] <maldridge> fallore: both, it is an officially supported respin of ubuntu, but you can install lubuntu-desktop on regular ubuntu and get pretty much the same thing
[20:09] <mgolisch> unless /boot was actualy within that
[20:11] <fallore> thank you for all the help maldridge. i'm going to jump in and do that, hopefully all goes well :)
[20:11] <maldridge> fallore: good luck; have fun!
[20:11] <mgolisch> maybe just run grub-install again just to be sure and update-grub to fix your grub.cfg from within the chroot
[20:12] <Devilus> prwilson: Good news :D
[20:12] <Devilus> prwilson: I just switched the chip locations, reseted the bios, all is running just fine, thanks a lot!
[20:13] <Devilus> prwilson: although I'm still wondering what caused it
[20:14] <stevecam> just playing around with Ubuntu 15.04 in a VM, is it just the environment, or is 15.04 extremely fast at starting up/shutting down?
[20:15] <prwilson> Devilus: possibly some strange bios quirk.  also reseating ram is serious voodoo.  glad to hear you got it working!
[20:16] <Devilus> prwilson: :) Really, thanks a lot!
[20:16] <maldridge> stevecam: it can be, depending on the underlying hardware
[20:17] <mgolisch> its super fast for me besides the network setup part
[20:17] <so1> hi guys
[20:17] <mgolisch> but thats probably due to me having configured a bridge
[20:17] <chocoroll> hihi
[20:18] <ragiel> Hi
[20:18] <ragiel> hiii
[20:18] <chocoroll> hi
[20:19] <chocoroll> wat u doin rag
[20:19] <ragiel> i dont know..
[20:19] <ragiel> its very quiet
[20:19] <stevecam> maldridge, well, compared to 14.10
[20:19] <chocoroll> yea
[20:20] <chocoroll> maybe we should go to #ubuntu-disscus
[20:20] <ragiel> yup..
[20:21] <fallore> maldridge, on lubuntu now, looks so much nicer :) do you have any idea how i choose this as my default DE when i start ubuntu?
[20:22] <chocoroll> noones talking in discuss channel
[20:22] <ragiel> true choco
[20:23] <ragiel> sooooo quiet
[20:23] <chocoroll> ragiel are u a grl
[20:23] <ragiel> :P
[20:23] <ragiel> no
[20:23] <chocoroll> rag where u from
[20:23] <ragiel> ina
[20:23] <ragiel> u ?
[20:23] <chocoroll> what
[20:23] <John[Lisbeth]> I am having trouble getting docker to work
[20:23] <chocoroll> wats ina
[20:24] <ragiel> indonesia
[20:24] <xangua> !ot | chocoroll ragiel
[20:24] <chocoroll> im from US
[20:24] <John[Lisbeth]> http://pastie.org/10312034
[20:24] <ragiel> ohh
[20:24] <stevecam> John[Lisbeth], docker for deep dream?
[20:24] <chocoroll> sorry john
[20:24] <ragiel> nice to meet u Choco
[20:24] <chocoroll> ragiel wana b my friend
[20:24] <chocoroll> u too
[20:24] <yoavst> I've broke window's boot with dd, and I can't seem to fix it using boot-repair and diskrepair. Any other idea but using windows disk?
[20:25] <chocoroll> waaa
[20:25] <chocoroll> cizu hi
[20:25] <chocoroll> waaa
[20:25] <xangua> yoavst: /join ##windows ?
[20:25] <xangua> !ot | chocoroll
[20:26] <chocoroll> hi xan
[20:26] <maldridge> fallore: assuming you're using unity greeter, it will remember the last DE you chose and use that on next login
[20:26] <ragiel> yaaa UBUNTU
[20:26] <wileee> yoavst, This a dual boot you moved with dd to another HD?
[20:26] <John[Lisbeth]> yoavst if you are familiar with the command line this may help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddrPnuvFV6E
[20:26] <chocoroll> ragiel ur back
[20:26] <ragiel> yup
[20:26] <chocoroll> yay
[20:26] <chocoroll> hugs
[20:26] <chocoroll> cx
[20:26] <ragiel> hohoho
[20:26] <chocoroll> hoho
[20:27] <yoavst> wileee: I tried to fix boot on OS X, but I dd to the wrong partion
[20:27] <chocoroll> iia hi
[20:27] <wileee> fallore, The desktop you last run is the default boot to.
[20:27] <xangua> !ot | chocoroll ragiel Please Stop
[20:27] <ragiel> whats special in Ubuntu 14 ??
[20:28] <wileee> yoavst, Thanks no idea here, was phishing if this was a grub issue is all.
[20:28] <ragiel> huft #ash
[20:28] <ragiel> 14.04.02 ?
[20:29] <ragiel> Pret
[20:30] <hrusti> hey guys, can someone explain me how can I get rid of installed program (mysql). I want to delete it but files are everywhere
[20:31] <andrewjs18> any users of automysqlbackup?
[20:31] <bekks> hrusti: Uninstall the package(s).
[20:31] <Raulwynn> Good Evening having some issues with Ubuntu. I'm new from Windows.
[20:32] <hrusti> bekks: I did but files are still there
[20:32] <maldridge> Raulwynn: good evening, generally in IRC you should just ask your question and someone will get back to you, no need to ask to ask
[20:32] <bekks> hrusti: Define "everywhere" and name the files please, along with your Ubuntu release.
[20:32] <Raulwynn> Okay. Nvidia drivers won't update. Software Center freezes computer up and Steam will not launch'
[20:33] <Raulwynn> Where should I start?
[20:33] <wileee> Raulwynn, Share them with channel for support.
[20:33] <wileee> one at a time
[20:33] <Raulwynn> Okay Lets get my steam to launch.
[20:33] <Raulwynn> Lemme get the error that comes up
[20:37] <Raulwynn> I have just uninstalled and reinstalled steam.
[20:37] <Raulwynn> Nothing happens when I try to launch it.
[20:37] <Raulwynn> The icon lights up blue then flashed then stops
[20:38] <paulmadore> Man I hope there's someone who knows what problem i'm having. the only kernel that will load for me is *.*.15
[20:38] <bekks> paulmadore: Which version is *.*.15 ?
[20:38] <paulmadore> i think it's 3.19.15?
[20:38] <wileee> +1 x 1000
[20:39] <bekks> paulmadore: Just take a look at uname -a
[20:39] <paulmadore> k one sec
[20:39] <paulmadore> Linux Bitillionaire 3.19.0-15-generic #15-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 16 23:32:37 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:39] <FillyTola> hi, when i try to umount i get some weird message..
[20:39] <paulmadore> the newer versions all throw an error, drop me an intframs, and unfortuantely i have no clue what im doing when ig et there.
[20:40] <bekks> paulmadore: which error?
[20:40] <paulmadore> bekks: is there a log i can pull up?
[20:40] <paulmadore> i believe it says
[20:40] <paulmadore> somethign about a "pcr"
[20:41] <bekks> paulmadore: You could try to reboot for getting the ful, exact error message.
[20:41] <paulmadore> this last time that i just tried, actually, though, i don't think i saw an error. i changed settings in bios before trying again, since everyone seems to think it's secure boot.
[20:41] <paulmadore> okay i will do that right now
[20:42] <paulmadore> brb
[20:42] <Raulwynn> Steam won't launch, flashes blue three times then just sits in the background
[20:43] <zeroone> hello all
[20:43] <zeroone> anybody there?
[20:43] <scratQ> hi
[20:44] <zeroone> hows it going?
[20:44] <yeats> zeroone: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[20:45] <paulmadore> bekks: it doesn't say an error now, just puts me into intframs. i sincerely believe that when i first had this problem it was throwing an error. maybe the bios settings i changed put the error away.
[20:45] <maldridge> I'm running systems with home on nfs and its unusably slow, is there a good way to figure out where the slowdown is?
[20:46] <paulmadore> it does say an error before successfully loading this kernel though
[20:46] <bekks> paulmadore: Which error...?
[20:46] <paulmadore> it says it failed to execute pcr?
[20:46] <paulmadore> sahll i reboot again and snap a photo of that for you?
[20:46] <daftykins> maldridge: well i definitely wouldn't do that, but anything in logs?
[20:46] <yeats> maldridge: you say /home is on an NFS share? if so, I would expect it to be slow
[20:47] <bekks> paulmadore: Yeah.
[20:47] <paulmadore> k
[20:47] <paulmadore> 2mins (thanks for yr help btw)
[20:47] <maldridge> yeats: more like each user has an individually accessible share that is nfs based, and how else would you do homes on remote storage than nfs
[20:49] <yeats> maldridge: I've never been put in a situation where I would need to do that, so I don't know.  Perhaps someone else can help with that, but I would definitely recommend putting home directories on local storage in general
[20:50] <maldridge> yeats: not possible for ~4000 users, but thanks for the replies
[20:50] <Raulwynn> I have a ubuntu support question: How can I get Steam to launch? I click and it does nothing. when I look into the issue it says I need 32-bit library so I type "sudo apt-get install ia32-libs" but I get this error "Package ia32-libs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[20:50] <Raulwynn> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[20:50] <Raulwynn> is only available from another source
[20:50] <Raulwynn> However the following packages replace it:
[20:50] <Raulwynn>   lib32z1 lib32ncurses5
[20:50] <maldridge> daftykins: nothing in the logs that I can see, but firefox and libreoffice are very slow, i assume that is related to them building profiles on disk, but I don't know how to confirm that
[20:50] <Raulwynn> E: Package 'ia32-libs' has no installation candidate"
[20:51] <yeats> maldridge: this may provide some ideas: http://serverfault.com/questions/19323/is-it-feasible-to-have-home-folder-hosted-with-nfs
[20:52] <daftykins> maldridge: best test, quickly try a guest session which presumably would create a /home outside of your NFS mount (unless you mount the whole of /home there) then see if it behaves?
[20:53] <paulmadore> bekks: so now it doesn't throw that error when i load 3.19.0-15. i thought maybe i should try *-21 again, and i got th same thing. no reasoning, just put you over here into intframs where you don't know what you're doing paulmadore.
[20:53] <paulmadore> but -15 is still working. which is fine by me, except there's a lot of updates that won't install at this point. i'm worried.
[20:53] <maldridge> daftykins: firefox loads much faster, but libreoffice still feels sluggish (though it is an older version than I'm familiar with)
[20:54] <maldridge> Raulwynn: you need to install the packages it said replace it
[20:54] <paulmadore> i noticed the new libreoffice is much cleaner on ram usage maldridge
[20:54] <paulmadore> 4x i think it is
[20:54] <paulmadore> i use it daily for work
[20:54] <wileee> maldridge, libreoffice is much faster in later editions.
[20:54] <bekks> paulmadore: And which update in particular does not install on -15?
[20:55] <paulmadore> one second bekks
[20:55] <wileee> opening anyway, strange to be sluggish in use.
[20:55] <maldridge> paulmadore: wileee: I agree, I plan to update as soon as I can confirm it won't break anything
[20:56] <paulmadore> The upgrade needs a total of 69.0 M free space on disk '/boot'. Please free at least an additional 12.6 M of disk space on '/boot'. Empty your trash and remove temporary packages of former installations using 'sudo apt-get clean'.
[20:56] <maldridge> so emacs loads files from the shares with no perceptible lag, it seems like its only things that are writing profile data
[20:56] <bekks> paulmadore: So free up space by uninstalling old kernels.
[20:57] <paulmadore> is it possible to uninstall say 21 whilst leaving 15?
[20:57] <daftykins> paulmadore: yes, confirm package names with "dpkg -l | grep linux-image" bearing in mind corresponding -extra- packages must be removed prior to the main generic kernel packages
[20:57] <bekks> paulmadore: Uninstall _old_ kernels. -15 is your current, -21 is newer, Everything older than -14 :)
[20:57] <paulmadore> i don't have those, 15 is where i started
[20:57] <paulmadore> on this computer
[20:58] <paulmadore> i took a photo of that actually
[20:58] <paulmadore> one sec
[20:58] <bekks> paulmadore: Can you pastebin "df -h" and "ls -lha /boot/" pleasE?
[20:58] <paulmadore> yes
[20:59] <paulmadore> http://pastebin.com/xDzA57Et
[20:59] <bekks> paulmadore: So uninstall -16, -18, -20
[21:00] <paulmadore> sudo apt-get autoremove linux-image ?
[21:00] <paulmadore> **
[21:00] <bekks> paulmadore: No.
[21:00] <bekks> paulmadore: apt-get purge linux-image-3.19.0-16-generic
[21:01] <paulmadore> do that for each one i assume?
[21:02] <bekks> paulmadore: Yes. Do that for all installed kernels except -15 and -21
[21:02] <paulmadore> k
[21:02] <paulmadore> didn't know these took up 200mb each
[21:03] <bekks> They dont.
[21:03] <bekks> Take a look at ls -lha /boot/
[21:03] <paulmadore> now i just have 15, 20, and 21
[21:03] <paulmadore> evicting 20 now
[21:04] <paulmadore> then i will try update again
[21:04] <paulmadore> and if it updates, i owe you $5
[21:05] <bekks> paulmadore: Just dont try to keep 5 kernel versions, you dont have enough space in /boot to do so :)
[21:05] <paulmadore> what do you think is preventing the new kernel from booting? my bios allows -15, why wouldn't it allow -21?
[21:05] <bekks> paulmadore: The new kernel could not be installed correctly.
[21:06] <paulmadore> lol
[21:06] <bekks> Because you had too less free space.
[21:06] <paulmadore> OH
[21:06] <paulmadore> so you think 21 will work now properly?
[21:06] <bekks> If you reinstall it, most likely.
[21:06] <paulmadore> *smacks self*
[21:07] <paulmadore> i knew it wasn't a problem with my beloved ubuntu core. i was sure it was user error. i may not like gnome or unity but i'm *buntu for life. xubuntu this is. should have gone stable 14.04 for this machine though.
[21:08] <bekks> paulmadore: Even with 14.04, your /boot is too small for keeping 5 kernels.
[21:08] <paulmadore> is it something i did, telling it not to delete the old ones?
[21:09] <bekks> paulmadore: No, you didnt tell it to delete old kernels :)
[21:09] <mgolisch> kernels are not removed automaticaly
[21:11] <scratQ> is it possible to give google earth 7 a more native look on ubuntu (15)?
[21:12] <paulmadore> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net vivid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY D46F45428842CE5E
[21:12] <bekks> paulmadore: Thats a warning only.
[21:13] <paulmadore> k, i just followed some instructions to continue updating, involved doing apt-get clean
[21:13] <paulmadore> http://askubuntu.com/questions/85641/how-do-i-deal-with-unauthenticated-sources-errors-in-the-software-center
[21:15] <OerHeks> How did you add that ppa, paulmadore ?
[21:15] <paulmadore> i'm not even sure which one it is referring to, i'm looking at the list now
[21:16] <OerHeks> bitcoin client, if my google fu is correct
[21:16] <paulmadore> sob
[21:16] <Kartagis> how can I find out what's using my internal webcam? I'm not running skype or cheese but the webcam light is on
[21:16] <paulmadore> i bet it is
[21:16] <paulmadore> i don't trust bitcoin core devs either!
[21:16] <paulmadore> *unchecks*
[21:16] <wileee> smile
[21:17] <Fuchs> Kartagis: lsof  might show what accesses the device
[21:17] <OerHeks> paulmadore, next time, add a repository the right way, including the key  > sudo add-apt-repository ppa: <name>
[21:17] <paulmadore> what's the >
[21:18] <paulmadore> i would have thought that's how i had added it
[21:18] <paulmadore> can't remember though it was probably 7 weeks ago i got this machine
[21:18] <paulmadore> UPDATING
[21:19] <paulmadore> thank god
[21:19] <paulmadore> thank you guys
[21:19] <Guest50753> gibt es das auch in deutsch?
[21:19] <Fuchs> Guest50753: #ubuntu-de
[21:19] <OerHeks> Guest50753, jawohl, #ubuntu-de
[21:19] <Guest50753> aa danke
[21:20] <paulmadore> i actually write about bitcoin for about 50% of my living. there's been a huge fracas with the core devs lately.
[21:20] <OerHeks> heh bitcoins-miners-mining
[21:21] <paulmadore> well basically you've got 5 guys saying that even though they're blocking decisions which would effect them financially, that's not why they're blocking them. (sidechains, blockstream.)
[21:22] <daftykins> paulmadore: interesting but sadly off topic for this channel
[21:22] <paulmadore> ah, no problem. :)
[21:22] <paulmadore> i'll stick around and hopefully be able to help someone with something i've been through.
[21:23] <paulmadore> wow firefox reader mode
[21:23] <paulmadore> sweet
[21:26] <Guest50753> wie geht das?
[21:27] <bekks> !de | Guest50753
[21:27] <daftykins> that's also really bad German :)
[21:29] <matt123> Can anyone help me with an issue with kali?
[21:29] <daftykins> matt123: it's not ubuntu, so no.
[21:29] <matt123> oops
[21:31] <Guest50753> wo soll ich das eingeben?
[21:34] <daftykins> Guest50753: Englisch sprechen oder lassen
[21:35] <Guest50753> no good english
[21:35] <paulmadore> Kali isn't even based on Ubuntu, is it?
[21:36] <texasmade> debian derived
[21:37] <paulmadore> right
[21:38] <paulmadore> Trisquel is the same concept, right?
[21:38] <texasmade> Backtrack was ubuntu based, with kali they went with debian. so they have a lot of similarities
[21:38] <texasmade> kali is just geared  more towards digital forensics and pentesting
[21:38] <paulmadore> I tried installing Trisquel on a laptop but had issues with the wireless driver. Wasn't enough other things I liked about it to keep messing with it, so we did Lubuntu on there.
[21:52] <badbodh> trisquel is supposed to absolutely strip ubuntu off any non-free code.
[21:53] <badbodh> very unlikely that you may find a proprietary driver on it. you need source and ndiswrapper or something
[21:53]  * cartert
[21:54] <jshanab> Can someone tell me even one iso that will work off of a liveusb? I have been trying lubuntu14.04 32bit and the installer crashes after copying files. THe alternate fails to mount a cd-rom drive.  I can boot into the try lubuntu, it is just the installer that is borked.
[21:54] <badbodh> jshanab: what app did you use to create the liveusb ?
[21:54] <OerHeks> jshanab, i would do a md5sum on the iso first, to check integrity
[21:55] <metemp> Hello From Belgium. Anyone experience with configuring ACR38U ?
[21:55] <OerHeks> !md5sum
[21:55] <jshanab> I tried UUI and Xboot and all MD5 sums are good, I have downloaded no less than 10 times
[21:56] <OerHeks> metemp, that is a smartcardreader, right?
[21:56] <TJ-> jshanab: But have checked the hash on the USb itself ?
[21:56] <wileee> jshanab, unetbootin and it's download?
[21:56] <OerHeks> metemp, there is #ubuntu-be also, those guys know exactly what you need
[21:56] <maldridge> starting libreoffice 4.2 I get an error that I can't read data in a "backenddb.xml" any thoughts?
[21:57] <jshanab> good point. TJ
[21:57] <jshanab> But can someone tell me one they know works so I can start there
[21:57] <metemp> thank OerHeks ( mooie naam ;-)
[21:58] <jshanab> For example the exact same Hardware (except the target Hard Disk) worked with the ubuntu 14.04 lubuntu 64bit
[21:59] <metemp> Oerheks, yes it is
[21:59] <ErfanBs> I reinstalled python and now my terminal is gone and when i press CTRL+ALT+T a software named XTerm shows up
[22:00] <EriC^^> ErfanBs: did you run apt-get remove python?
[22:00] <ErfanBs> EriC^^: Yes
[22:00] <mgolisch> it probably removed all sort of stuff then
[22:00] <ErfanBs> mgolisch: What should i do now ?
[22:00] <mgolisch> reinstall ?
[22:01] <EriC^^> ErfanBs: type cat /etc/apt/history.log
[22:01] <mgolisch> oh yeah or try to install everything again
[22:01] <EriC^^> and copy and paste the packages it removed
[22:01] <OerHeks> metemp, i have an English manual https://mark911.wordpress.com/2014/01/04/how-to-get-the-eid-electronic-card-reader-acr38u-working-in-ubuntu-14-04-64-bit/ for 64 bit
[22:04] <EriC^^> ErfanBs: you can reinstall packages by using --install --reinstall without removing the packages that depend on them
[22:04] <EriC^^> *install --reinstall
[22:05] <soulisson> Sorry about this question, does systemctl calls systemd to start or stop a service?
[22:06] <ErfanBs> EriC^^: There is nothing named history.log
[22:06] <k1l_> soulisson: yes
[22:07] <soulisson> k1l_, ok, do you know what arguments are passed to systemd?
[22:07] <EriC^^> ErfanBs: my bad, /var/log/apt/history.log
[22:07] <k1l_> soulisson: that depends on the systemd scripts that are called for that service.
[22:08] <soulisson> k1l_, can you give me a simple example, when the service only requires one script?
[22:08] <ErfanBs> EriC^^: oh men, i can't work with XTerm, how i can get back Terminal ? i can't even copy and paste in XTerm :|
[22:09] <OerHeks> soulisson, good start to read http://www.howtogeek.com/216454/how-to-manage-systemd-services-on-a-linux-system/
[22:09] <EriC^^> ErfanBs: highlight the text, then press middle mouse button to paste, or shift+insert
[22:10] <k1l_> soulisson: i dont know what you are on about. every service need a script that tells the init what to do. that is still the same as upstart or init.d . its just different in the details where it looks for it and what it expects, see the link from OerHeks
[22:10] <EriC^^> i think you need to modify the list from history.log first to remove the ","
[22:10] <metemp> OerHeks, Do you know it can/should be visible as a ttyUSB device ?
[22:11] <EriC^^> ErfanBs: if you have gedit paste the list there, and use the search & replace feature to replace the "," with ""
[22:12] <soulisson> k1l_, i just want to know if in this case systemctl calls the systemd executable, i know that systemctl is used to manage services
[22:12] <OerHeks> metemp, sure, open terminal: lsusb, and it should show something like "Bus 002 Device 005: ID 072f:90cc Advanced Card Systems, Ltd ACR38 SmartCard Reader"
[22:13] <k1l_> soulisson: what "systemd executable"? systemd runs all the time, that is the sense behind an init system.
[22:13] <EriC^^> ErfanBs: you need to remove everything between the () too
[22:13] <soulisson> k1l_, /bin/systemd
[22:14] <ErfanBs> EriC^^: what about name:amd64 ?
[22:14] <EriC^^> that's ok
[22:14] <OerHeks> soulisson, i think it does not call systemD executable directly, it adresses to the service.
[22:14] <EriC^^> ErfanBs: do you need help with the brackets?
[22:14] <soulisson> OerHeks, thanks
[22:15] <soulisson> OerHeks, through a unix socket or something like that, right?
[22:15] <OerHeks> soulisson, i am not that deep in systemD, but i think you can compare it with a socket yes
[22:16] <brainwash> soulisson: DBus
[22:16] <soulisson> brainwash, ok, thanks
[22:16] <brainwash> soulisson: also, if you have more question, then I suggest that you join #systemd
[22:16] <metemp> lsusb is showing correct but we I dmesg | grep tty , no result
[22:17] <soulisson> brainwash, thanks, didn't know this chan existed, i'm new to systemd, so far i've only used init
[22:18] <cliniios> Hi
[22:33] <deebosh> hello
[22:35] <ErfanBs> There is something for recovery in ubuntu ? i can my computer recover all of things to 2 days ago
[22:37] <daftykins> restore? no, not really
[22:37] <daftykins> ErfanBs: what have you done?
[22:37] <ErfanBs> daftykins: i deleted some of softwares on my laptop :)
[22:38] <daftykins> packages?
[22:38] <daftykins> pop 'em back on
[22:38] <EriC^^> ErfanBs: are you talking about the python removal?
[22:39] <h0mer> just out of curiousity, does ubuntu have some sort of restore point capability that windows has?
[22:39] <h0mer> im pretty sure the answer is no, but hoping it's "yes"
[22:39] <h0mer> :D
[22:41] <OerHeks> h0mer, yes, it is called dejadub, you can make an image of your system, manually.
[22:41] <h0mer> oo nice.  let me check that out
[22:41] <OerHeks> and no, not automaticly, and you will need sufficient diskspace to do so
[22:41] <h0mer> ive been using vmware with snapshots just for that purpose, but i have enough bare metal nodes that i want to forgo using a virtual environment
[22:42] <OerHeks> You mean BTRFS ?
[22:42] <mgolisch> use something that has snapshots?
[22:42] <h0mer> yea im using vmware with the free hypervisor
[22:42] <h0mer> but it's kinda overkill because that machine only has one vm on it
[22:42] <mgolisch> i mean use a filesystem that support snapshots
[22:43] <mgolisch> like btrfs
[22:43] <ObrienDave> doesn't ZFS have something like that?
[22:43] <mgolisch> or zfs linux
[22:43] <mgolisch> but no idea how well that works nowadays
[22:44] <sjmikem> can someone please help me with intermittent wifi network dying?
[22:44] <sjmikem> I've tried turning off power mgmt
[22:44] <sjmikem> I've turned off ipv6
[22:44] <h0mer> im going to try zfs here shortly
[22:44] <h0mer> ty guys
[22:45] <mgolisch> id probably go with btrfs as its in kernel
[22:46] <mgolisch> i just dont think anything developed outside the kernel tree will work as good as something maintained by the developers/maintainers of the operatingsystem kernel you use
[22:46] <sjmikem> my iwlwifi.config has: options iwlwifi wd_disable=0 bt_coex_active=0 11n_disable=1
[22:46] <OerHeks> carefull with btrfs .. the !btrfs factoid says it is experimental.
[22:47] <mgolisch> it cant be that bad
[22:47] <mgolisch> oracle linux and suse both support root on btrfs
[22:47] <mgolisch> like out of the box in their installers
[22:48] <mgolisch> think yast triggers a snapshot on every invocation, that sounds like fun, like comparing what a certain configuration change actualy changed on the filesystem
[22:49] <TJ-> sjmikem: which kernel version is the PC using?
[22:50] <sjmikem> TJ-: 3.19.5
[22:50] <metemp> oerheks, Do you know it can/should be visible as a ttyUSB device ?
[22:51] <OerHeks> metemp, not sure of that.
[22:52] <metemp> oerheks, as it is usb , it is serial right ?
[22:53] <sjmikem> firmware is iwlwifi-7260-10.ucode if that matters
[22:53] <TJ-> sjmikem: iwlwifi had a LOT of bugs with dropped connections and packets until recently; I'd suggest trying a mainline kernel build, v4.0 or v4.1
[22:54] <TJ-> !mainline | sjmikem:
[22:55] <OerHeks> metemp, yes, lsusb shows you
[22:55] <TJ-> sjmikem: prior to the bugs, the module parameter 11n_disable=1 was supposed to work around most of the issues. With recent kernels that isn't needed and I find the devices use the full MIMI potential with few problems
[22:55] <sjmikem> Can I still run virtualbox w/ mainline kernel?
[22:56] <sjmikem> MIMI?
[22:56] <optimal> !MIMI
[22:56] <TJ-> sorry, MIMO
[22:56] <optimal> !MIMO
[22:57] <sjmikem> is it possible that my iwlwifi.config is not taking effect somehow?
[22:57] <arooni-mobile> i have a lenovo t420 laptop with display port output and VGA output.  it has intel 3000 integrated graphics.  can i run two monitors at the same time with this setup, each monitor @ 1920x1080?
[22:57] <sjmikem> iwconfig wlan0 shows: IEEE 802.11abgn
[22:57] <TJ-> Multiple Input, Multiple Output - the ability to send/receive using more than 1 antenna, thus upping the total throughput
[22:57] <OerHeks> arooni-mobile, both HDMI ?
[22:57] <arooni-mobile> OerHeks, both monitors will be HDMI input only
[22:58] <sjmikem> is that expected with 11n_disable=1?
[22:58] <arooni-mobile> oh i mean HDMI and VGA
[22:58] <OerHeks> arooni-mobile, both hdmi it is possible, or both dvi. a mix i am not sure.
[22:58] <brainwash> sjmikem: the 'n' should not appear there I'd guess
[22:58] <arooni-mobile> OerHeks, well i mean monitors support HDMI input and VGA input
[22:59] <OerHeks> arooni-mobile, depends how ther are connected
[22:59] <sjmikem> brainwash: Any idea where else I might need to disable, besides /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.config ?
[23:00] <sjmikem> also some sites suggest it should be =8 instead of 1...
[23:03] <TJ-> sjmikem: the file in "/etc/modprobe.d/" should be called "iwlwifi.conf" not ".config"
[23:03] <ObrienDave> arooni-mobile, yes, it should be possible
[23:03] <sjmikem> d'oh
[23:04] <suku> is there any way to force a monitor to display past its native resolution? i have an older netbook that has a 1024x600 resolution and it causes issues seeing menus fully - would love to try to force it to 1024x768 without panning and understand it would look stretched
[23:05] <bekks> suku: Most displays cannot exceed its native resolution.
[23:05] <sjmikem> fixed that and now "n" is no longer showing
[23:05] <sjmikem> thanks!
[23:05] <sjmikem> stupid me
[23:06] <ObrienDave> suku, LCD, no, CRT maybe but will probably cause damage
[23:06] <brainwash> sjmikem: didn't a iwlwifi.conf already exist?
[23:06] <suku> that stinks, was thinking perhaps some xrandr options might work
[23:07] <sjmikem> brainwash: I had misnmaed it .config instead
[23:07] <suku> i know it can be forced in windows, just didnt know of linux
[23:07] <brainwash> sjmikem: I understand this. however, the package kmod installs a file named iwlwifi.conf already
[23:08] <suku> i'll ask in ##linux as well just to make sure there arent any other options
[23:08] <OerHeks> suku, in windows without panning? what would look terrible
[23:08] <ObrienDave> suku, once again, you probably will cause damage to the CRT if you try
[23:08] <brainwash> sjmikem: well, I'm just wondering why you've not seen it (or why it's missing in your case)
[23:08] <suku> OerHeks: yeah, there is a registry hack and it looks stretcched but it does work
[23:09] <sjmikem> hmmm not sure..my dpkg log includes:
[23:09] <sjmikem> /var/log/dpkg.log.2.gz:2015-05-18 12:50:08 status half-configured kmod:amd64 18-1ubuntu2
[23:10] <sjmikem> is that unusual?
[23:10] <ObrienDave> suku, you could try reducing the PPI of your fonts from say, 96 PPI to 85
[23:10] <ObrienDave> or the other way around
[23:10] <ObrienDave> whichever works LOL
[23:11] <suku> ObrienDave: yeah i will see if that makes any differences
[23:13] <suku> the biggest issues obviously is just not being able to see "OK" or "Cancel" on application menus that are specified for x768 resolutions
[23:14] <brainwash> sjmikem: maybe run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" then
[23:14] <ObrienDave> yea, i have the same issue from time to time
[23:14] <sjmikem> but sudo apt-get install --reinstall kmod did not put the file there...
[23:15] <brainwash> sjmikem: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/amd64/kmod/filelist
[23:15] <sjmikem> so if I upgrade to 4.0 kernel, I will not be able to run Virtualbox?  Or I'll just have to rebuild the drivers from scratch?
[23:16] <brainwash> sjmikem: I suggest that you ask in #vbox
[23:17] <TJ-> sjmikem: *move* your file to another name, such as "iwlwifi2.conf"  then "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kmod"
[23:17] <sjmikem> TJ-: that's what I did
[23:18] <sjmikem> how do I tell apt-get to show the files it is installing?
[23:18] <TJ-> sjmikem: the --reinstall will have put back the missing iwlwifi.conf then
[23:20] <sjmikem> it's not, though...
[23:21] <OerHeks> sjmikem, there is no 4.x for trusty http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=N;O=D 3.15 is the latest for you, else you need to build your own.
[23:21] <sjmikem> OerHeks: I'm on vivid
[23:21] <sjmikem> TJ-: apt-file list kmod shows it there...
[23:21] <sjmikem> does apt-get have a verbose mode?
[23:22] <sjmikem> man shows -V that shows verbose version
[23:23] <TJ-> sjmikem: Hmmm, I tried it here and you're correct; --reinstall isn't
[23:24] <opulent_troll> circles
[23:25] <k1l_> sjmikem: make sure you install the mainline kernel headers too
[23:26] <rsftw> hi, can anyone help me 1sec with a bash script? pls pm
[23:26] <k1l_> rsftw: ##bash maybe?
[23:26] <sjmikem> why would apt not install all of the files?
[23:27] <k1l_> !paste | sjmikem
[23:28] <k1l_> sjmikem: well, you need to install the mainline kernels manually.
[23:28] <sjmikem> was that for someone else?
[23:28] <k1l_> !mainline | sjmikem
[23:29] <k1l_> sjmikem: if you have a specific issue better pastebin the command and the output so no information is lost that could lead to a solution
[23:33] <rsftw> hi, anyone can help mewith a script pls pm illsend u 2$paypal or something
[23:33] <fallore> i'm sure someone will be willing to help you if you just ask your question rsftw
[23:34] <OerHeks> rsftw, use paste.ubuntu.com to show your script, and send the money to an animal shelter :-)
[23:34] <k1l_> rsftw: if its ubuntu support ask in here and people will try to help. if its more bash related please ask in ##bash as already told.
[23:34] <DrahKeN_> window hide 3
[23:34] <OerHeks> ##bash would be a better place indeed
[23:34] <sjmikem> uninstall kmod and reinstall seems to create the file
[23:37] <TJ-> sjmikem: here you go: "sudo apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install kmod"
[23:38] <smo80> what s your problem rsftw ? (don t need money...)
[23:38] <TJ-> sjmikem: the cause is that the files are what's known as 'conffiles' and if you make any changes the package manager assumes you're exercising your sys-admin role and doesn't try to change anything
[23:39] <sjmikem> TJ-: ah, makes sense
[23:39] <TJ-> sjmikem: that reports: Configuration file `/etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf', does not exist on system.
[23:39] <TJ-> Installing new config file as you requested.
[23:39] <sjmikem> now to reinstall the pkgs that I accidentally purged when I removed kmod :-/
[23:40] <sjmikem> stop laughing :-)
[23:40] <ObrienDave> NEVAH! ;P
[23:42] <rsftw> hi, on windwos i use a .bat file to allocate ram to an app Java -jar app.jar 2048 . how can i do this on ubuntu ? :D ty
[23:46] <mikael> ?
[23:46] <bprompt> rsftw:     same command pretty much, make a file, name it whatever, usually to distinguish it, you'd want to name it with an .sh extension...   myjavaapp.sh      1st line in file ->  #!/bin/bash;    2nd line-> java -jar app.jar 2048, save the file...to.say.. ~, and right-click it, to change the permissions, set "execute" permissions on it
[23:53] <rsftw> bprompt,  thx a lot! :D it is working now.
[23:54] <bprompt> np


[02:50]  * mhall119 needs a coffee press
[03:30] <doctormo> Cool, we now have the old netbook launcher available for maverick (and possibly natty)
[03:30] <doctormo> That should please some
[07:47] <dpm> good morning all!
[08:16] <dholbach> good morning
[08:31] <dpm> morning dholbach
[08:47] <dholbach> hey dpm
[08:47] <kim0> morning everyone
[08:47] <dholbach> hey kim0
[08:47] <kim0> dholbach: dpm hey :)
[08:53] <dpm> morning kim0 :)
[08:53] <kim0> :)
[10:27] <popey> morning all
[10:30]  * jussi hides from popey
[10:31] <popey> my new screen arrived today, 23" philips 1920x1080. It's the only screen in the room that our web based landscape monitor fits on :)
[10:33] <jussi> popey: nice. Ive a 24" lenovo, same res
[10:43] <nigelb> morning everyone
[11:55] <czajkowski> ▞▀▖▌  ▞▀▖▌ ▌▞▀▖
[11:55] <czajkowski> ▙▄▌▌  ▌ ▌▙▄▌▙▄▌
[11:55] <czajkowski> ▌ ▌▌  ▌ ▌▌ ▌▌ ▌
[11:55] <czajkowski> ▘ ▘▀▀▘▝▀ ▘ ▘▘ ▘
[11:55] <czajkowski> hello charming folks
[11:56] <jussi> czajkowski: you sound in a good mood?
[11:57] <czajkowski> I got sleep
[11:57] <czajkowski> and leg is behaing itself after being a royal pita yesterday and not letting me sit
[11:58] <czajkowski> so had to eat pizza standing which is rather messy did you know
[12:02] <nigelb> aww, the ascii art didn't render well on my machine :(
[12:04] <AlanBell> popey: you will nearly be able to see the summit schedule without scrolling
[12:05] <nigelb> summit? what? where? :p
[12:06] <nigelb> AlanBell: You get big hugs from everyone for pushing etherpad, overall, everyone I talked to loved etherpad
[12:06] <AlanBell> just glad it held together in the end
[12:07] <nigelb> heh
[12:07] <nigelb> Now, if only we could make it more accessible
[12:07] <AlanBell> probably need to do the theme properly (it is a hack right now)
[12:07] <nigelb> AlanBell: we should work on it together :)
[12:07] <AlanBell> yay
[12:08] <AlanBell> and single signon with launchpad
[12:08] <nigelb> single sign on with launchpad is not going to be easy.
[12:08] <nigelb> (but not impossible)
[12:09] <nigelb> AlanBell: I have a temporary hack in mind
[12:10] <nigelb> (a) make the pad name non-guessable with a sha1 or some such
[12:10] <nigelb> (b) display the pad on summit only if user is logged in
[12:10] <nigelb> (logged into summit that is)
[12:10] <nigelb> Its still a hack. But it might work.
[12:10] <AlanBell> yeah, but that gets defeated if the hash tag links start working
[12:11] <nigelb> Ah, true. Scratch that then.
[12:11] <AlanBell> and you end up with nasty urls
[12:11] <nigelb> the only way to do this seems to be hacking into java
[12:11] <AlanBell> supporting openID isnt *that* hard in general
[12:23] <nigelb> AlanBell: I just dislike java :)
[12:29] <daker> kim0, we are getting more & mor spam on c.u.c :/
[12:33] <nigelb> daker: spam as comments?
[12:33] <daker> yes :/
[12:33] <daker> we need to enable akismet
[12:50] <nigelb> oh, wait. The blog. Okay.
[12:54] <Daviey> AlanBell / nigelb: Actually it doesn't, there is alread read only support with a hidden pad name.
[12:55] <nigelb> Daviey: The one that gets enabled with that plugin?
[12:55] <Daviey> yes
[12:55] <Daviey> but nigelb, best use your time to add openid support IMO. :)
[12:56] <nigelb> Daviey: I'm really honest, I don't know java :(
[12:56] <nigelb> but I guess I could ask in #etherpad on where to start
[12:57] <Daviey> nigelb: That part isn't java is it?  It's server side javascript?
[12:57] <Daviey> bum
[13:00] <AlanBell> I think openID can be done
[13:10] <mhall119> morning
[13:17] <kim0> daker: I approve all comments manually!
[13:18] <kim0> daker: which is boring, but I might have made some mistakes  :)
[13:19] <daker> ok
[13:20] <popey> kim0: is it a wordpress site?
[13:20] <kim0> popey: yes
[13:21] <popey> I have all mine set so that once you've commented once, and its been manually approved, all subsequent comments are let through
[13:21] <kim0> I think I did that too
[13:21] <popey> works quite nicely
[13:21] <popey> also akismet ftw
[13:21] <kim0> still get too many spam per day, which I have to reject
[13:21] <kim0> pinged IS about akismet .. they say they're getting one!
[13:22] <kim0> naturally it's gonna take time
[13:32]  * Daviey prepares to be more clever with his spam effort.
[13:33] <popey> hah
[13:47] <kim0> Daviey: is that wordpress spam combat ? I could use any cleverness :)
[13:52] <Daviey> kim0, Yeah... when akismet is enabled, can you let me know?  I might aswell kill this script when that happens. :)
[13:57]  * dpm goes for lunch
[14:03] <jussi> dpm: ping
[14:03] <jussi> oh bah
[14:03] <jussi> ping me when you are back from lunch
[14:04] <kim0> Daviey: I don't have akismet since it'd need a commercial license .. that's probably the reason for my pain :)
[14:07] <jussi> joey: please PM me when you have a sec (RE: Linaro)
[14:09] <highvoltage> wow jussi. a contentless ping and a request for a contentless ping!
[14:09] <jussi> highvoltage: I love my contentless pings  :P
[14:10]  * czajkowski hugs highvoltage
[14:10] <czajkowski> how ya doing buddy
[14:12] <highvoltage> hey czajkowski! I'm doing good, *hug*
[14:12] <czajkowski> *hugs*
[14:12] <highvoltage> missed you at uds too
[14:12] <czajkowski> glad to hear it
[14:13] <highvoltage> jussi: heh
[14:13]  * czajkowski did miss seeing all you crazy feckers
[14:13] <czajkowski> but some new people got a chance and that's good
[14:27] <akgraner> hggdh, which channels should I be hanging out in now? for the hardware stuff etc?
[14:28] <akgraner> dpm your email about translations teams will be forthcoming was a little under the weather Monday and Tuesday
[14:29] <hggdh> akgraner: I am not sure, right now. I understand the HW cert team is still working on this; let me try to find out
[14:30] <akgraner> Also everyone you'll be seeing a notice go out about wanting more leaders for the UWN team - I'm helping with the re-org then stepping aside completely on that front
[14:30] <akgraner> hggdh, thanks!
[14:30] <czajkowski> akgraner: hows the knee
[14:30] <akgraner> czajkowski, in a brace waiting on an MRI and then surgery
[14:30] <czajkowski> akgraner: and we cant even blame the high heels
[14:31] <czajkowski> akgraner: you and uds are a bit of a jix :p
[14:31] <akgraner> nope was in flats
[14:31] <czajkowski> I know
[14:31] <czajkowski> damage in flats
[14:31]  * czajkowski has her MRI on friday
[14:31] <czajkowski> so want answers
[14:31] <akgraner> czajkowski, hope it all goes well for you - missed you at UDS
[14:32] <czajkowski> akgraner: me too! to both :)
[14:33] <mhall119> howdy akgraner, how you feeling?
[14:33] <akgraner> mhall119, better  - thanks for sticking around with all of us til the paramedics arrived
[14:36] <hggdh> akgraner: (1) I do hope all goes well, I did not know wbout your knee (and, it seems, czajkowski's <- goes for you too)
[14:36] <hggdh> akgraner: #ubuntu-testing seems to be the place, I just had a quick chat with ara
[14:37] <hggdh> oh she is here also :-)
[14:37] <ara> :)
[14:37] <czajkowski> hggdh: cheers
[14:37] <akgraner> awesome - just resting my irc autojoins
[14:37] <czajkowski> though closed space MRI and me do not go well
[14:37] <czajkowski> so a fun half hr there
[14:37] <akgraner> hggdh, no worries it will mend and I'll be happy me again! :-)
[14:38] <hggdh> czajkowski: not that it helps any -- both my wife & brother-in-law go pretty much uncontrollable in MRIs (and need to be sedated)
[14:39] <czajkowski> hggdh: yeah had two before shall just suck it up, usually have ear phones or something loud blaring
[14:39] <mhall119> akgraner: luckily you had an EMT on hand
[14:39] <czajkowski> takes about 30-45 min for back
[14:40] <hggdh> akgraner: ara (there she goes being pinged again, sorry) also tells me we shall have announcements next week
[14:40] <akgraner> mhall119,  that is true
[14:40] <akgraner> hggdh, awesome let me know and I'll get them on the Fridge for you all as well
[14:41] <hggdh> akgraner: please feel free to ping ara (and, again, I ping her here. Ah well such is life) on any questions
[14:42] <hggdh> better to hear it correctly, without my mostly-always-wrong interpretation
[14:42] <akgraner> hggdh, will do - /me is reading as many wiki's as possible so I at least know the history of everything
[14:43] <akgraner> (you know before 5 get deleted per jcastro suggestions)
[14:43] <hggdh> heh
[15:39] <cjohnston> mornin
[15:41] <highvoltage> morning cjohnston
[15:45] <nigelb> akgraner!
[15:45] <nigelb> akgraner: are you better?
[15:46] <cjohnston> hey highvoltage
[15:49] <jcastro> dholbach: we have a call today right?
[15:49] <jcastro> akgraner: did you get home ok?
[15:49] <dholbach> jcastro, I think so :)
[15:49] <jcastro> akgraner: did pete have to buddy carry you to the hospital?
[15:51] <nigelb> jcastro: couldn't resist could't you? :-P
[15:51] <cjohnston> lol
[15:52]  * nigelb now has a vivid mental image of that
[15:55] <akgraner> jcastro, yep I'm home
[15:56] <akgraner> nope a stretcher w/ambulance carried me he just carried my purse
[15:57] <jcastro> gotta slow down airborne!
[16:00] <jono> dholbach, jcastro, dpm, kim0 all set?
[16:00] <dholbach> yeep
[16:00] <dpm> yep!
[16:00] <kim0> yep
[16:01] <jcastro> yeah!
[16:02] <Technoviking> morning all
[16:03] <akgraner> jono, can you pencil me in for a call  - it's a bit important- please
[16:03] <kim0> jono: seems like I need to kill skype
[16:03] <jono> kim0, ok
[16:03] <kim0> jono: try me now
[16:07] <czajkowski> jono: we on for our call laer on
[16:07] <jono> akgraner, sure, let me check the cal
[16:08] <jono> akgraner, is it urgent ?
[16:08] <akgraner> thanks
[16:08] <jono> czajkowski, yep
[16:08] <akgraner> jono can be within then next two days but it is important
[16:08] <czajkowski> jono: coolio
[16:09] <akgraner> tomorrow would work
[16:09] <jono> akgraner, can you do 10am Pac for 30mins?
[16:09] <jono> today is so busy for me
[16:09] <jono> difficult to find a slot
[16:09] <akgraner> yep I understand
[16:09] <akgraner> and that will work
[16:09] <jono> perfect
[16:10] <akgraner> sorry to add to your todo list
[16:10] <jono> akgraner, no worries! look forward to chatting then
[16:11] <akgraner> so tomorrow 10am Pac right?
[16:22] <JFo> does anyone know where the audio from the keynote for UDS is?
[16:22] <JFo> don't need the video, just audio
[16:24] <jcastro> JFo: elmo can get you in touch with the AV crew
[16:24] <JFo> cool, thanks jcastro
[16:24] <jcastro> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-community.html
[16:25] <dpm>  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/u/jorge.html
[16:29] <AlanBell> JFo: http://mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-o/
[16:30] <JFo> thanks AlanBell
[16:30] <AlanBell> the AV crew should have done that
[16:31] <jcastro> WHOA!
[16:31] <jcastro> who did that?
[16:31] <AlanBell> it was great having audio available on the day
[16:31] <AlanBell> tumbleweed did
[16:31] <jcastro> HERO
[16:31] <AlanBell> automatic rips from the icecast streams
[16:31] <AlanBell> they were available instantly the sessions ended
[16:32] <czajkowski> cjohnston: darling are you about
[16:32] <AlanBell> I want to get links to the recordings on the meetings page next to the notes for uds-p
[16:32] <cjohnston> czajkowski: HOWDY
[16:32] <cjohnston> uggh
[16:32] <cjohnston> just got back
[16:34] <AlanBell> Stefano Rivera did the audio
[16:39]  * nigelb waves to JFo
[16:40]  * JFo waves at nigelb
[16:40] <JFo> got home safe I see. :)
[16:41]  * JFo heads to lunch
[16:42] <dpm> ok, I'm calling it a day, see you all tomorrow!
[16:42] <cjohnston> o/
[16:42] <cjohnston> JFo: he beat the rest of us home
[16:43] <jcastro> photos are up!
[16:43] <jcastro> http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Oneiric/17103699_kzzLF6#1296345490_Bf4bNwB
[16:43] <jcastro> man
[16:43] <jcastro> they look great
[16:45] <jcastro> http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Oneiric/17103699_kzzLF6#1296264271_KPdNsjq
[16:45] <jcastro> daniel and dpm had the right idea
[16:46] <jcastro> we should have totally done the team thing, sitting in those little chairs
[16:46]  * dholbach hugs dpm
[16:48] <jcastro> hahaha
[16:48] <jcastro> JFo: http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Oneiric/17103699_kzzLF6#1296323636_8CdgFxq
[16:48] <jcastro> this looks like a pose where I am in the middle of swearing
[16:48] <jcastro> or telling someone they're wrong
[16:49] <cjohnston> cjohnston: jcastro, you broke summit again     jcastro: !@#%$@(#((@#$
[16:53]  * dpm hugs dholbach :)
[16:56] <jcastro> cjohnston: I haven't touched summit!
[16:56] <cjohnston> no.. that was the caption for the picture
[16:56] <jcastro> oh, hahaha
[17:01] <czajkowski> paultag: so help me I am going to murder you
[17:02] <czajkowski> I've 55 mails in my inbox and I had 0
[17:02] <paultag> >:D
[17:02] <paultag> take that!  That's SPAM quality
[17:02] <czajkowski> I will strangle you
[17:03] <paultag> if this was any other channel I'd *so* be making the joke everyone's thinking
[17:03] <czajkowski> paultag: go do may team report!
[17:03] <czajkowski> >:(
[17:03] <czajkowski> so kicking your ass later on
[17:04] <czajkowski> now to go and talk to nice IS
[17:04] <paultag> :P
[17:04] <paultag> czajkowski: could you find that one bug report among all the loco ones?
[17:04] <czajkowski> you linked it in channel
[17:04] <paultag> ah, right right
[17:12] <vish> http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Oneiric/17103699_kzzLF6#1296267492_cSzPjXb-S-LB
[17:12] <vish> dholbach: not fair!!!!!! ^ ;p
[17:12] <dholbach> vish, we were just a bit quicker with the idea than most others ;-)
[17:20] <vish> usually jcastro does something funny in the UDS pics, poor guy was stuck in the middle this time.. :)
[17:20] <jcastro> actually, this is the first time I wasn't wearing some Red Wings related gear
[17:20] <jcastro> I am disappointed with myself
[17:22] <james_w> that's probably why the lost now you mention it
[17:24] <nigelb> dholbach: "including some creative trolls folks who made their way up to the first floor balconies!"
[17:25] <dholbach> nigelb, where's that?
[17:25] <nigelb> dholbach: http://www.pixoulphotography.com/2011/05/18/official-uds-o-group-photo-and-personal-photo-set/
[17:25] <nigelb> james_w: nah, I'm thinking the stress got to him
[17:25] <dholbach> haha
[17:26] <nigelb> james_w: There was a linaro person called George (?) and someone said "That person is not wearing a Red Wings T-shirt and hence isn't Jorge Castro"
[17:26]  * nigelb headdesks. Fighting with nginx isn't easy.
[17:29] <jcastro> nigelb: George is like the CTO or CEO of linaro or something
[17:29] <nigelb> jcastro: Yeah, something.   :p
[17:32] <akgraner> paultag, you around? and have 5 mins
[17:34] <paultag> akgraner: yes ma'am!!
[17:34] <paultag> akgraner: What can I do to help?
[17:34] <akgraner> paultag, got time for a call?
[17:34] <paultag> akgraner: sure, skype?
[17:35] <akgraner> ummm can't get to my headset can I call you on a landline or cell
[17:35] <paultag> akgraner: yeah sure, do you still have my number?
[17:48] <dholbach> ok my friends - I call it a day
[17:48] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[17:48] <dholbach> HUGS
[17:51] <jono> akgraner, ready now?
[18:01] <jono> akgraner, heeeeeello!
[18:02] <cjohnston> lol
[18:03] <paultag> jono: I was just on the phone with 'er :)
[18:03] <paultag> jono: she'll be back shortly, we just hung up
[18:03] <akgraner> jono, yep
[18:03] <jono> akgraner, ok one sec
[18:04] <akgraner> jono, do you still have my number see pm
[18:07] <akgraner> jono did you see the pm?
[18:08] <jono> akgraner, yep, one sec
[18:08] <akgraner> k
[18:08] <akgraner> thanks
[18:19] <nigelb> jcastro: the rest of the UDS videos will be late?
[18:19] <jcastro> they trickle in every week for a while
[18:21] <nigelb> oh okay
[18:50] <head_victim> paultag: ping
[18:51] <paultag> head_victim: pong
[18:51] <head_victim> Ok to pm?
[18:51] <paultag> head_victim: anytime, anywhere
[19:39] <jcastro> jono: btw I was right. 20 years dude: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallica_(album)
[19:39] <jcastro> this august.
[19:43]  * highvoltage feels old
[20:07] <nigelb> heading to bed, night folks
[20:07] <highvoltage> night nigelb
[20:12] <jono> jcastro, jees
[20:12] <jono> I feel old
[20:45] <czajkowski> jono: shrup
[20:45] <czajkowski> dont go there
[20:45] <czajkowski> I'm so broken Im having to eat dinner standing as sitting hurts! can I have a new hip perhaps
[21:30] <czajkowski> paultag: loving my inbox :s
[21:44] <paultag> czajkowski: :)
[21:44] <czajkowski> paultag: seems to be some confusion on wording
[21:45] <czajkowski> I removed the point of contact on the wiki
[21:45] <czajkowski> so not sure what they are getting confused about
[21:45] <paultag> czajkowski: people love nitpicking and "fighting the power"
[21:46] <paultag> its a fun way to avoid work
[21:46] <cjohnston> I wanna fight!
[21:46] <czajkowski> cjohnston: lets not
[21:46] <czajkowski> or you'll deal with me instead :)
[21:46] <cjohnston> :-(
[21:46]  * czajkowski is protective of the LC and well as LD dev folks
[21:51]  * JFo fights the power... now to figure out what power.
[21:54] <czajkowski> jono: poking time soon
[21:55] <jono> czajkowski, wrapping up a blog entry and then I am ready
[21:55] <czajkowski> jono: lovely then you cna prepare to write the next one :D
[22:01] <jono> czajkowski, about set
[22:01] <czajkowski> jono: ring when yer ready
[22:03] <jono> czajkowski, ring ring
[22:29] <czajkowski> jono: thanks
[22:29] <czajkowski> fun as always
[22:29] <jono> ditto!
[22:46] <Technoviking> jcastro or JFo: can you make this a wishlist bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/784878
[22:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 784878 in unity "compizconfig-settings-manager should be installed by default" [Undecided,New]
[22:46] <jcastro> ewwwwww
[22:47] <jcastro> a better idea would be to fix simple-ccsm for unity
[22:48] <Technoviking> jcastro: true
[22:52] <Technoviking> Added that as a comment. about:config just needs to run OOTB, seems sloppy if it does not.
[22:52] <jcastro> sure
[22:53] <jcastro> imo the tool needs to be better than raw ccsm itself
[22:55] <paultag> Technoviking: I did good things on it. It's so ugly, though
[22:57] <jcastro> Technoviking: actually, simple-ccsm is still in the archive
[22:58] <jcastro> and still broken
[22:58] <jcastro> building a group around it to make it rock would be <3
[23:43] <james_w> heh it looks as though Ben Edwards can't spell the name of his company correctly
[23:43] <james_w> or spell "Intelligence" correctly