[00:56] <speye> Buula everyone
[00:56] <speye> How do i unzip zip files in Lubuntu?
[10:32] <enr> hello!
[10:33] <enr> I have a little problem with my lubuntu installation (xbmcbuntu)
[10:33] <bioterror> explain more
[10:33] <enr> the menu and windows fonts are very very large
[10:33] <bioterror> normal
[10:33] <bioterror> :-)
[10:33] <enr> nvidia?
[10:33] <bioterror> are you using nvidia?
[10:33] <enr> why
[10:33] <enr> yep
[10:34] <enr> I read something around the web
[10:34] <enr> but I can't find a solution, I'm a newby
[10:34] <enr> :)
[10:35] <bioterror> enr, http://forums.bodhilinux.com/index.php?/topic/204-solved-nvidia-drivers-and-fonts-size/page__view__findpost__p__1265
[10:36] <enr> oooh I found this post before, so it works also with lubuntu
[10:36] <enr> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:36] <enr> and add this line, correct?
[10:36] <enr> Option "UseEdidDpi" "FALSE" Option "DPI" "96 x 96" Unquote
[10:36] <bioterror> dont put unquote
[10:37] <bioterror> doesnt sounds correct line :D
[10:37] <bioterror> or I dont know
[10:37] <bioterror> :-)
[10:37] <enr> like this? Option UseEdidDpi FALSE
[10:37] <bioterror> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Specifying_DPI_for_NVIDIA_Cards
[10:39] <enr> Option "UseEdidDpi" "FALSE"
[10:39] <enr> Option "DPI" "96 x 96"
[10:39] <enr> like this?
[10:39] <bioterror> yes
[10:39] <enr> okkei grat
[10:39] <enr> I try this at home soon
[10:40] <bioterror> :-)
[10:40] <enr> bioterror thank you soo much!!!!!!
[10:40] <enr> grat linux
[10:40] <bioterror> dont thank me yet
[10:40] <enr> grat community
[10:40] <enr> grear
[10:40] <enr> hehe
[10:40] <enr> I think tath it works
[10:41] <enr> I notice you if it doesn't :-D
[10:45] <enr> bioterror can I ask you another little help?
[10:46] <bioterror> two questions for the price of one
[10:46] <bioterror> go ahead
[10:46] <enr> can you tell me an Bluetooth dongle that works well with linux fo sure?
[10:46] <bioterror> nope, I dont know about them anything at all
[10:46] <enr> with a good range, now i have buy a chinese one for 3 Euros :P
[10:47] <enr> It works but in a limitate range of mt
[10:47] <enr> ok thanks
[10:47] <enr> I google it, bye bye
[10:47] <bioterror> I hate bluetooth
[10:47] <enr> hehe, i use wiiremote for xbmc
[10:48] <bioterror> I have usb keyboard and two extension cables
[10:48] <enr> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzzBwIiIqd4
[10:48] <enr> it's not the same ;)
[10:49] <bioterror> takes quite long to boot
[10:49] <enr> one minute, it depends
[10:50] <enr> it's great
[10:50] <bioterror> I have also this D945GCLF as a router
[10:53] <enr> wich software do this?
[10:54] <bioterror> Im running pfSense on that
[10:58] <enr> intresting
[10:58] <enr> I will read somenthing about this
[10:58] <enr> I have to go now, thank you!!!! se you! bye
[22:51] <aguitel> anyone installed lubuntu in sony vaio pcg-frv35 ?
[23:20] <aguitel> anyone installed lubuntu in sony vaio pcg-frv35 ?


[03:06] <ubptgbot> Er_rx was added by: Er_rx
[04:13] <ubptgbot> superastorh was added by: superastorh
 hi
 i have mobail and a I want used Ubuntu Touch
 I'm afraid the device will crash
 Is it possible to take a copy of the phone system
 Does Ubuntu Touch support Android app?
 yes using anbox
[05:56] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @mofota [OMG! It's a dream come true! gnumeric worked! abiword had the same behavior as l …], Do these apps show on the Nexus 5 display, or do you have to connect to a remote display? On my Nexus 5 the screen goes blank and returns to Scope, so I presumed it was only able to output to a remote desktop display.
[05:56] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @mofota [OMG! It's a dream come true! gnumeric worked! abiword had the same behavior as l …], [Edit] Do these apps show on the Nexus 5 display, or do you have to connect to a remote display? On my Nexus 5 the screen goes blank and returns to Scopes, so I presumed it was only able to output to a remote desktop display.
 Do I have to install it?
 @LittleBoy8506 [yes using anbox], I think it should be mentioned that anbox is experimental, don't expect that it works too well.
 @superastorh [Do I have to install it?], Yes, see http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html
[08:15] <ubptgbot> Sobhan Acharya was added by: Sobhan Acharya
[08:16] <ubptgbot> <Sobhan Acharya> Hello people
[08:17] <ubptgbot> <Sobhan Acharya> I recently came accross Ubuntu torch as an alternative to Google android and read about convergence feature which I love.
 Hi ! … Btw is Touch, not torch 😉
 But if you want to torch Android, that's OK 😄
[08:19] <ubptgbot> <Sobhan Acharya> The only issue I face is that touch is not aupported for Moto G5 Plus... … Is there a way to get it supported.
[08:20] <ubptgbot> <Sobhan Acharya> @advocatux [But if you want to torch Android, that's OK 😄], Hahaha no no I wont.
 @Sobhan Acharya [The only issue I face is that touch is not aupported for Moto G5 Plus... … Is the …], You might be interested in helping the porting effort for that device … https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/50
 @advocatux [You might be interested in helping the porting effort for that device … https://gi …], Will go through and do my best to help.
 @RedBlade4555 [Will go through and do my best to help.], Great! If you want to learn about the porting process, please see http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 @advocatux [Great! If you want to learn about the porting process, please see http://docs.ub …], Thanks a lot. Lets c what I can do to help. I have recently jumped into the open source world n I must say im more Dan impressed on how devs all over the world are coming together to build extravagant tech
 (Sticker, 512x128) https://irc.ubports.com/5aS0ra8d.webp
 @John (Marlin) [Do these apps show on the Nexus 5 display, or do you have to connect to a remote …], some apps works in the nexus 5 some others don't
 in the past, everything used to work "fine" but now for example libreoffice doesn't work anymore, etc.
 this is WIP so be patience
 @cyb3rhatt3r [Why would you want something logging your typing habits?], I want to track my gf.
 @southsidetoker I've removed your message. Please, don't post nonsense in this group, thank you :)
 @advocatux [You might be interested in helping the porting effort for that device … https://gi …], Hello again  … I went through the basics n now I know how to root a phone and install a custom rom.
 UniversalSuperBox hasnt updated after Jan 25 2018. … I know of the current issues now … What am I supposed to do to help resolve it
 Now you can try to follow the porting steps :)
 @advocatux [Now you can try to follow the porting steps :)], OK will do … hope m not bugging u but being too stupid
 Don't worry, no problem :)
[11:50] <ubptgbot> 蔺家老王 Fotso was added by: 蔺家老王 Fotso
[11:50] <ubptgbot> <蔺家老王 Fotso> Fwd from Bitlotto.com: 1BitLotto is a bitcoin-lottery with a prize of 1 BTC and chance 1/100 to win. … 1bitlotto.com
[13:29] <ubptgbot> veeraraghavareddy was added by: veeraraghavareddy
[14:55] <ubptgbot> M3T4LL1C14N0 .. was added by: M3T4LL1C14N0 ..
[14:56] <ubptgbot> <M3T4LL1C14N0 ..> hello which appliances can be installed Ubuntu Touch OS?
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ :)
[15:10] <ubptgbot> <M3T4LL1C14N0 ..> because I have the motorola and wanted to install it
 You can try to port it if that model meets the minimum requirements for it. … Please see http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 @M3T4LL1C14N0 .. [because I have the motorola and wanted to install it], If it is the Moto G2 (titan) you should look here for the installation of UT16.04 https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/development/experimental-ubuntu-touch-titan-t3608846
 Those instructions are going to confuse them more than help them IMO :)
 @advocatux [Those instructions are going to confuse them more than help them IMO :)], Unfortunately other instruction doesn’t exist. The community ports need more love.
 @Nikfrager [Unfortunately other instruction doesn’t exist. The community ports need more lov …], I agree regarding latter for sure
[18:39] <ubptgbot> l3uff3r was added by: l3uff3r
[18:40] <ubptgbot> Owen was added by: Owen
 Hi!
 I have a Sony XPeria XA2 that I would like to install UT on -is this available?
 Other option would be SailfishOS (they are offering an image) but I would prefer UT...
 Do I have to get Halium working on it first?
 no way so far, we lack Android 8 and newer HAL support
[18:59] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @phovi [I have a Sony XPeria XA2 that I would like to install UT on -is this available?], Don't see any Sony on the list here. Check the link to make it yourself: … https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 So, does UT need a new HAL based on Halium first? Sony is offering AOSP 8 for this model as part of their Open Devices program so there should be good chance to develop for this device, right?
 @phovi [So, does UT need a new HAL based on Halium first? Sony is offering AOSP 8 for th …], Halium is not ported for 8 either
 basically we need to reapply hybris patches on top of newer Android tree, then adapt middleware components to Android-side changes, such as HWC2 API
 Ok, so quite a task, huh?
 yeah, not principally impossible, but needs some effort
 Would have bought an XA2 if UBports were available. :D
 Looks like a nice device.
 Yeah, it's a nice device and was a bargain also -got it from an outlet quite cheap :) … Would it be still better to start porting based on AOSP 7 then?
[20:04] <ubptgbot> Phijo was added by: Phijo
 Hey are there phones pre loaded with ut
 Hi guys, I'm sick of Google Microsoft and all the spying companies that are commercializing our lives and what we do and care about. So no need to convince me about Ubuntu touch. However there are some features I need in a phone. May I ask someone of you if Ubuntu touch meets my requirements? … I need both telegram and signal.  Don't need W
[20:17] <ubptgbot> hatsApp, would sacrifice that availability of all my contacts for privacy. Most of the people I care about have either telegram or signal. If not they will at least be able so send an sms. … Are signal and telegram installable? … Is there disk and more important as card encryption available? That's kind of a must have since imo the biggest risk is
[20:17] <ubptgbot> losing (just being said or the victim of some evil person) the device and the data on it. Don't want someone to just have to plug my phone into his PC and have all my private stuff. Take the phone, I can but a new one. But data is something different since it's not only effecting myself. … What about easy backup? Hate my Android for that. Broken by
[20:17] <ubptgbot>  design😡 … Thanks in advance for your mich appreciated help
 And sorry for the long text.🤨
 Hi Philipp!
 Native clients for both signal and telegram are available although they are far from feature complete... But they are maintained and are improving over time.
 Also there is a pretty cool matrix client btw.
 @RedBlade4555 [Hey are there phones pre loaded with ut], Not currently but by the end of the year, pinephone might be out and preloaded with UT.
 No easy data encryption, no comfortable backup that i'm aware of...
 [Edit] No easy data encryption and no comfortable backup that i'm aware of...
 [Edit] No easy data encryption and no comfortable backup that i'm aware of, sry...
 @hummlbach [Native clients for both signal and telegram are available although they are far …], Thanks that sounds good🤔👍
 @hummlbach [No easy data encryption and no comfortable backup that i'm aware of, sry...], Well backups can't be worse than with Android. No possibility to take an .IMG copy of the whole disk like with my Debian?🤔 … I just use cp /dev/sdx /path/to/name.img for that on a live system.
 No data encryption however is a huge negative unfortunately😭
 I like my stuff encrypted😁
 @libremax [Not currently but by the end of the year, pinephone might be out and preloaded w …], thanks a lo for the info.
 Thanks for the info though
 so yes, you simply copy `~/.local` and `~/.config` or your whole home directory and your fine... ofc thats possible but not what most users would call comfortable...
 [Edit] so yes, you can simply copy `~/.local` and `~/.config` or your whole home directory and your fine... ofc thats possible but not what most users would call comfortable...
 rsync?
 If anyone knows if and how encryption works I'd be glad to hear that.
 Again there is some "manual" way iirc
 have you searched the forum?
 @hummlbach [so yes, you can simply copy ~/.local and ~/.config or your whole home directory …], Sound good, I like to have controll of what a system is doing
 @phovi [rsync?], i would use `scp` or `adb`
 @hummlbach [have you searched the forum?], To be honest only quickly.
 Encryption however should be working smoothly for my taste … 😉
 doing encryption right (aka smoothly) is by no means easy, especially when we don't have access to hardware key storage
 https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1012/one-method-to-encrypt-home-phablet … https://forums.ubports.com/topic/2368/encryption-and-vpn/14
 @dohbee [doing encryption right (aka smoothly) is by no means easy, especially when we do …], yes you will also find a lot of discussion how secure it is at the end... ;-)
[20:41] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @RedBlade4555 [Hey are there phones pre loaded with ut], On eBay you can find some past UT oem phones as well as some that have been user converted.
 @hummlbach [https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1012/one-method-to-encrypt-home-phablet … https:/ …], Thanks.
 @dohbee [doing encryption right (aka smoothly) is by no means easy, especially when we do …], Absolutely. But it's it that hard (honest question) to use let's say the working everyone from Linux (dm crypt /Luks) on a phone?🤔
 No offense but I'm just wondering. Don't know how secure my Samsung encryption is anyway🤔
 Mhm. Read a bit into it and it's not user friendly at all. I understand it's a lot to ask but a privacy focused os is one thing not offering encryption for the not so unlikely event of losing the device.... Well. Might work for a computer but a phone...  … I hope for the future😌
 @Phijo [Absolutely. But it's it that hard (honest question) to use let's say the working …], Well, could be done somewhat perhaps, but is difficult to do, we can't do on all devices, and it wouldn't be especially more secure as we can't lock bootloader
 @dohbee [Well, could be done somewhat perhaps, but is difficult to do, we can't do on all …], Thanks for your answer. How is not having the bootloader locked imposing a risk on the encryption? Sorry if that might be a trivial question🙈
 @Phijo [Thanks for your answer. How is not having the bootloader locked imposing a risk …], The key and encrypted data can be copied off for brute forcing, or malware recovery could be emplaced to get the passphrase.
 As key must be stored in same device as data, even if it's wrapped. And because phones suck for typing, most people will choose only a PIN, so very easy to brute
 @dohbee [The key and encrypted data can be copied off for brute forcing, or malware recov …], I see your point. My Debian runs the same risk and I feel pretty safe to be honest. Brutforcing can be prevented by just using a long enough passphrase. I mean for someone a pin might be enough. I'd maybe combine 10 random characters with 6 random
[21:19] <ubptgbot> words. Evil maid atacks might be an issue though. But I think most users only want prevention against the average Thief and are not high value targets. Maybe just implementing something comparable to Luks o … n a desktop would be fine for about 95% of the users...
 @dohbee [As key must be stored in same device as data, even if it's wrapped. And because …], I currently have a passphrase of about 15 digits. I mainly want to be safe when the device is powered off and want a very basic level of protection when it's running. But that's just me.  … However I appreciate the work on an alternative to Google A
[21:22] <ubptgbot> pple and Microsoft😍👍
 Thanks for your help! I'll watch Ubuntu touch but don't feel too be ready for it just yet.🤔 Kind of weighting privacy and not being dependent on spying cooperations against having fde on my phone😔
 @Phijo [I see your point. My Debian runs the same risk and I feel pretty safe to be hone …], Not leaving your phone at the bar or unattended, is far better prevention of basic thieves and evil maids, than poorly done encryption
 But we're going a bit off tangent now
 @Phijo [Well backups can't be worse than with Android. No possibility to take an .IMG co …], tbh if you don't care about installed apps, copying /home/phablet should contain everything
 hmm fde depends on locking bootloader
[22:15] <ubptgbot> 店員 was added by: 店員
 @phovi [Yeah, it's a nice device and was a bargain also -got it from an outlet quite che …], the device doesn't have AOSP 7
 @Fuseteam [hmm fde depends on locking bootloader], it does not strictly depend if you read Rodney reasoning
 @NotKit [it does not strictly depend if you read Rodney reasoning], It is a requirement to protect from certain attacks. But it depends on a lot of other things too
 I agree, but theoretically you could have long enough key to type. And even if bootloader is locked, it is usually possible to read eMMC contents with proper hardware
 otherwise it still seems like an excuse for not implementing it, e. g. postmarketOS supports it for many devices - but for me it is not the feature I would care much about compared to getting newer devices supported and so on
 (the way they did it is by relying on kernel feature + providing OSK keyboard in initramfs, not particularly flexible I guess)
 [Edit] (the way they did it is by relying on kernel feature + providing on-screen keyboard in initramfs, not particularly flexible I guess)
 @NotKit [I agree, but theoretically you could have long enough key to type. And even if b …], Yes, but with proper impl, key is not stored in emmc
 @NotKit [(the way they did it is by relying on kernel feature + providing on-screen keybo …], They aren't building on top of android, but shipping a more traditional linux distro on phones
 @NotKit [it does not strictly depend if you read Rodney reasoning], guess i need to read more thoroughly
 @dohbee [They aren't building on top of android, but shipping a more traditional linux di …], the parts in question run way before LXC Android container would be started, so it doesn't matter from this perspective
 @NotKit [the parts in question run way before LXC Android container would be started, so …], It matters, because they aren't doing recovery the same or anything.
 Marius proposed used initramfs on newer devices instead of recovery for updates, so it can be handled more or less
[22:38] <ubptgbot> <A C> Ubuntu touch 16.04 is based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
 Yes
[22:44] <ubptgbot> <A C> The Ubuntu 16.04 LTS is definitive base or it would be exchanged for another
 @NotKit [Marius proposed used initramfs on newer devices instead of recovery for updates, …], that's newer devices tho, which is one of rodney's arguments 'we can't do it for all devices'
 @A C [The Ubuntu 16.04 LTS is definitive base or it would be exchanged for another], no effort has been made for 18.04 yet so far nor is it planned yet afaik
 @A C [The Ubuntu 16.04 LTS is definitive base or it would be exchanged for another], The future is the future, but for now it remains 16.04
[22:50] <ubptgbot> <A C> @dohbee [The future is the future, but for now it remains 16.04], There will be more ota version with 16.04 lts
 Yes
[22:58] <ubptgbot> <A C> Does anyone know on what date ota-10 will be released?
 When the blockers are fixed


[00:20] <jakemp> I am trying to run the wayland compositor, but I get this error: failed to load module: /lib/wayland/x11-backend.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[00:20] <jakemp> using libwayland from the repos
[01:38] <i_is_broke>  thinking about updating to 11.10 is it close to being stable? and what should i look for as issues running an amd quad core with 4 gig of ram and nvidia gt 240 vid.
[01:38] <urlin2u> i_is_broke, still in deve;opment don't as a main OS.
[01:40] <urlin2u> here is the release schedule https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[01:42] <i_is_broke> urlin2u, thank you,  and i know that its still in development. thats why i asked. and yes this is my main os.
[01:42] <i_is_broke> hows it do with vm?
[01:43] <len> i_is_broke, As we've been discussing, if you use KDE, one of your processors with get pinned at 100% usage when system is otherwise idle.  So, yes, there are  some issues you probably don't want to deal with.
[01:43] <urlin2u> not sure really, I use vbox, unity may or may not run in a virtual.
[01:43] <IdleOne> i_is_broke: thing is that it can be rock solid right now and in an hour be broken beyond repair
[01:44] <i_is_broke> haha, IdleOne i know i have had it happen before. so thanks. ill just hold off. i dont need one of my processors pegged like that.
[01:44] <len> Of course, if you get it in a "rock solid" state, you can always hold off on updates until the beta release
[01:45] <urlin2u> or clone it and let it update
[01:45] <i_is_broke> i might split the hard drive and run a seperate install on it.
[01:45] <i_is_broke> i can always include my home folder.
[01:45] <len> I have a notebook that is running without issues right now, and prob won't update til beta because it would get screwed up by some of the recent changes
[01:46] <i_is_broke> i dont even want to ask how it plays with ati. i know im not switching the laptop yet.
[01:47] <len> I was wondering about that.  Have several ati machines, but didn't attempt because I didn't want to deal with the normal fglrx issues
[01:48] <i_is_broke> i wished ati would get their crap together i do like there cards.
[01:49] <len> Main reason I switched was because I was having some issues with kwin, and heard that their was a major code cleanup of kwin in kde 4.7.  It seems to be true, 'cause I'm not having any kwin issues now.
[01:50] <i_is_broke> but ok, guys and galls. thanks for the 411.
[01:51] <len> oops, I mean "there" :(  My fingers made an idiot of me in irc
[01:51] <len> um, make :)
[01:53] <len> So, do a ton of people usually jump into ubuntu+1 at beta?
[01:54] <IdleOne> the combined weight must add up to a ton
[01:55] <len> So either a lot of really skinny people, or just a couple mobidly obese users
[01:56] <billybigrigger> hey all
[01:59] <len> billybigrigger, You have ubuntu on a notebook in your cab with you?
[01:59] <billybigrigger> my cab?
[02:00] <len> You a truck driver?
[02:00] <billybigrigger> na bud, i'm not a trucker, by bigrigger i'm referring to oil field rigs...
[02:00] <len> Ah, OK.
[02:00] <billybigrigger> but i have had my ubuntu laptop mounted in my pickup :P
[02:01] <len> What kind of mount?
[02:01] <IdleOne> shotgun mount
[02:01] <len> Kind of like the cops have in their cars?
[02:02] <billybigrigger> yeah exactly
[02:02] <billybigrigger> but now we have  a bunch of stupid driving laws that ban them, along with cell phones, and eating etc etc etc
[02:04] <billybigrigger> anyone aware of a more HDTV friendly ubuntu flavor?
[02:04] <billybigrigger> plane jane ubuntu doesn't gel well with an hdtv
[02:04] <len> One the otherhand, I see all kind of people doing all kinds of shit in their car that would surely run you over without even noticing if you crossed their path, because from looking at them you can tell they damn sure aren't watching the road.
[02:04] <IdleOne> mythbuntu  maybe
[02:05] <billybigrigger> ill give it a go, i don't really need a media center, but if it is more user friendly than this it might be worth it
[02:05] <billybigrigger> is there an A3 for myth yet?
[02:05] <len> I have two mythbuntu boxes hooked to hdtvs
[02:06] <billybigrigger> how is myth for everyday use? ie browsing, irc, email etc etc
[02:06] <billybigrigger> i know it's a great media center, but i need something suited for everyday use
[02:06] <IdleOne> billybigrigger: never tried it myself but I assume it does everything Ubuntu does + all the media stuff
[02:06] <billybigrigger> IdleOne, i would assume so too
[02:06] <len> Well, if you close the mythfrontend, its pretty much ubuntu with xfce desktop
[02:07] <billybigrigger> yeah so it will be the same thing i'm staring at right now
[02:07] <len> You're using xfce?
[02:07] <billybigrigger> tiny ass icons, with a tiny ass titlebar and will have the same overscan problems associated with an hdtv
[02:07] <billybigrigger> gnome
[02:07] <len> You can always install another de on mythbuntu if you like
[02:08] <billybigrigger> it's not the problem of any de
[02:08] <len> are you using ati?
[02:08] <billybigrigger> nvidia on this desktop, ati on my laptop
[02:08] <len> you need to change the overscan setting if you are
[02:08] <billybigrigger> my monitor shit the bed, so i'm stuck using my 52" hdtv as a monitor, and it's effin hell
[02:10] <billybigrigger> i have played with overscan in nvidia settings
[02:10] <len> both my myth boxes us integrated ati, and both needed to be adjusted to fit the hdtv
[02:10] <billybigrigger> ubuntu needs to create some sort of configuration for hdtvs, that makes the left launcher, and title bars easier to read with hdtv
[02:10] <len> There as a default 15% under or overscan  (don't remember) that needed to be set to zero.
[02:11] <billybigrigger> updates are done, lets see if anything is borked today :) brb need a restart
[02:11] <len> This was purely an ati fglrx driver issue
[02:12] <len> I had a mtyh box hooked up once too and seem to remember having to mess around with the nvidia driver too, but that was with a standard tv
[02:18] <billybigrigger> wow, .10 is a mess right now haha
[02:18] <billybigrigger> now i remember why 10.10 was my last time playing with alpha's :)
[02:18] <billybigrigger> or maybe it was 10.04
[02:21] <billybigrigger> anyone here testing the compiz pre-release?
[02:36] <billybigrigger> how do i add an http link to the left launcher?
[03:50] <kyubutsu> IdleOne: qdbus is under control after install of qt4-dev-tools
[03:51] <kyubutsu> the new thing of the hour is kded4
[03:51] <kyubutsu> o.0
[03:55] <kyubutsu> hm, muon is coming up with new dbus and akonadi updates...
[03:55]  * kyubutsu braces for impact
[03:56] <JontheEchidna> the akonadi one is a no-change rebuild, so no worries there
[03:57]  * kyubutsu hits 'apply changes'
[03:57] <kyubutsu> 0.o
[03:58] <billybigrigger> where is mozilla's plugin directory?
[03:58] <billybigrigger> ie for libflashplayer.so
[03:59] <billybigrigger> it's in /usr/lib right? not the one in my home dir?
[03:59] <JontheEchidna> I think it's at /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
[03:59] <kyubutsu> conversely, you could grep for it
[04:00] <kyubutsu> you might be surprised to find more than one libflashplayer.so too
[04:01] <JontheEchidna> running locate libflashplayer.so is also an option
[04:02] <micahg> billybigrigger: either can be used actually, the one in the home dir will override the system one
[04:03] <urlin2u> billybigrigger, in addons
[04:04]  * micahg wonders why kubuntu has so much trouble with flashplugin-installer
[04:13] <kyubutsu_kde> log out failed with blank screen
[04:13] <kyubutsu_kde> kded4 still at 50%
[04:20] <kyubutsu_kde> akonadi agent launcher did not crash this time, cool
[04:31] <len> You don't need qt4-dev-tools anymore, btw. qdbus was split off into its own package and libqt4-dbus was given its a dep on it. Makes sense, since you shouldn't need to install dev packages for normal operation.
[04:56] <kyubutsu_kde> no dbus crash after removing qt4-dev-tools. but akonadi agent did it again
[04:57] <kyubutsu_kde> it's a minor bug, compared to what kded4 is doing
[05:00] <kyubutsu_kde> also, lost desktop effects. apparently "opengl crashed kwin (...) most likely due to driver bug."
[05:01] <kyubutsu_kde> am using gallium though
[05:01] <kyubutsu_kde> :(
[09:44] <Peddy> hello all, my qt apps don't match the gnome 3 theme, is this a known problem?
[10:00] <jbicha> Peddy: yes, all the work done to make qt & gtk play nice together needs to be ported to gtk3
[10:01] <Peddy> jbicha, thanks for the info. I'm loving it so far, I got the Adwaita theme from yesterday working (there is a bug report too)
[10:02] <jbicha> Peddy: yes, and I finally figured out what caused that bug
[10:08] <Peddy> jbicha, are you a wizard? I just downgraded for the time being
[10:11] <Peddy> tell me the secret of the bug
[10:11] <bullgard4_> [GNOME 3] How can Idelete permanently all games? After the recent automatic upgrade all games re-appered.
[10:15] <urlin2u> bullgard4, in synaptic
[10:16] <urlin2u> purge them
[10:16] <bullgard4_> urlin2u: I did purge them in Synaptic.
[10:16] <ebischoff> Message starting this morning on KDE login: xmessage -geometry 500x100 Could not start D-Bus. Can you call qdbus?
[10:16] <ebischoff> and there is no qdbus executable
[10:17] <urlin2u> bullgard4, probably being in development is just don't care. ;-)
[10:17] <ebischoff> did it move to some other package? apt-cache search does not help
[10:17] <bullgard4_> urlin2u: (*smile*)
[10:19] <ebischoff> natty manpage says that qdbus is Provided by: libqt4-dbus_4.7.2-0ubuntu5_i386
[10:20] <ebischoff> # dpkg -L libqt4-dbus | grep qdbus => no result on oneiric
[10:20] <ebischoff> $ dpkg -L libqt4-dbus | grep qdbus
[10:20] <ebischoff> /usr/share/man/man1/qdbus.1.gz
[10:20] <ebischoff> /usr/bin/qdbus
[10:20] <ebischoff> => on natty
[10:20] <ebischoff> ok, who broke this ? ;-)
[10:30] <drussell> anyone here use xchat?
[10:31] <drussell> I could do with someone confirming https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/827657
[10:35] <urlin2u> works on mine
[10:35] <urlin2u> drussell, you have preferred applications set
[10:35] <drussell> urlin2u: hmm I do indeed
[10:37] <drussell> urlin2u: x-www-browser                  manual   /usr/bin/firefox
[10:38] <urlin2u> I'm not in oneiric now but isn't it a drop down choice.
[10:39] <drussell> urlin2u: system settings > system info > web browser is set to firefox
[10:40] <drussell> urlin2u: the previous output is from the update-alternatives command
[10:40] <urlin2u> strange
[10:41] <drussell> urlin2u: if you could try it in oneiric when you next get a chance I'd much appreciate it
[10:41] <drussell> urlin2u: it certainly worked in maverick/natty
[10:42] <urlin2u> can you copy link and pastein browser?
[10:42] <drussell> urlin2u: yup that works fine
[10:42] <ebischoff> all : no one seen the problem with disappeared /usr/bin/qdbus ?
[10:42] <urlin2u> \let me look haold on
[10:43] <jtaylor> qdbus was moved to a different package I think
[10:43] <drussell> ebischoff: ~$ ll /usr/bin/qdbus
[10:43] <drussell> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 60K 2011-08-17 23:11 /usr/bin/qdbus*
[10:43] <jtaylor> I recall something about it from a recent changelog
[10:43] <ebischoff> drussel : on oneiric, and with all recent updates ?
[10:44] <ebischoff> jtaylor : yes, that's probably the explanation. Any idea about which package ?
[10:44]  * jtaylor updating his index
[10:44] <drussell> $ apt-file search /usr/bin/qdbus
[10:44] <drussell> libqt4-dbus: /usr/bin/qdbus
[10:45] <ebischoff> [12:20] <ebischoff> # dpkg -L libqt4-dbus | grep qdbus => no result on oneiric
[10:45] <ebischoff> [
[10:46] <jtaylor> qt4-x11 (4:4.7.3-4ubuntu6) oneiric; urgency=low
[10:46] <jtaylor>   * Break qdbus out into a separate 'qdbus' package and make it a dependency
[10:46] <jtaylor>     of libqt4-dbus, because some things will use this at runtime.
[10:46] <drussell> yeah sorry updated indexes and how it's qdbus: /usr/bin/qdbus
[10:46] <jtaylor> dpkg -L qdbus | grep bin/qdbus
[10:46] <drussell> as jtaylor said
[10:49] <drussell> wb urlin2u
[10:50] <jtaylor> anyone here using opera and ahs problems with flash?
[10:50] <urlin2u> desktop has gone south on me in oneiric, must have been last update lol
[10:50] <drussell> urlin2u: lol oh dear
[10:50] <drussell> urlin2u: when did you last update?
[10:50] <urlin2u> oh well no biggie
[10:51] <jtaylor> as long as a shells working, who needs a desktop ;)
[10:51] <urlin2u> today I think maybe yesterday for sure, I have compiz running the cube so I have tweaked it a bit
[10:51] <drussell> urlin2u: my desktop is fully updated oneiric currently and it's all mostly working (apart from the bugs I've filed ;o)
[10:51] <ebischoff> # dpkg -l qdbus
[10:51] <ebischoff> Aucun paquet ne correspond à qdbus.
[10:51] <ebischoff> root@mac:/home/eric# apt-get install qdbus
[10:51] <ebischoff> Reading package lists... Done
[10:51] <ebischoff> Building dependency tree
[10:51] <ebischoff> Reading state information... Done
[10:51] <ebischoff> E: Unable to locate package qdbus
[10:52] <drussell> ebischoff: try an apt-get update first?
[10:52] <ebischoff> yes i did
[10:52] <drussell> ebischoff: hmm I can't explain that then :o/
[10:52] <urlin2u> drussell, I just installed it a update,still a bit buggy on my computer, after years of messing with OS's I just use one that works most of the time.
[10:53] <ebischoff> an explanation could be something wrong in the sources.list :-(
[10:53] <jtaylor> ebischoff: which version is your libqt4-dbus?
[10:53] <ebischoff> ii  libqt4-dbus               4:4.7.3-4ubuntu5          Qt 4 D-Bus module
[10:53] <drussell> urlin2u: yeah I know what you mean, I don't usually update this early...
[10:53] <urlin2u> ebischoff, look in synaptic to see if its even there.
[10:53] <jtaylor> 4:4.7.3-4ubuntu6 is the newest
[10:53] <jtaylor> with the qdbus split
[10:53] <dabukalam> I'm trying to install ubuntu-desktop on a minimal oneiric, and I'm getting an error (ubuntu-desktop has unmet dependencies: Depends: gnome-session but it is not going to be installed Depends: unity but it is not going to be installed Depends: unity-2d but it is not going to be installed E:Broken Packages)
[10:54] <ebischoff> oh oh, that looks like the German repositories (which i use) are out of date
[10:54] <jtaylor> ebischoff: maybe your mirror is behind
[10:54] <ebischoff> so i only have to wait for their resync
[10:54] <jtaylor> ebischoff: de.archive is broken recently
[10:54] <ebischoff> yup
[10:54] <urlin2u> drussell, I install from the beginning usually, but since natty to many bugs while desktops are changing.
[10:54] <ebischoff> okay, everything is explained. thank you everyone
[10:54] <ebischoff> (any good archive to advice me ?)
[10:55] <jtaylor> change mirror :)
[10:55] <ebischoff> yes, to which one ?
[10:55] <jtaylor> synaptic has a tool to find the best
uh, i don't know synaptic</coward>
[10:56] <drussell> ebischoff: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-select-fastest-mirror-in-ubuntu.html
[10:56] <drussell> ebischoff: slightly outdated but principles are the same
[10:57] <jtaylor> synaptic -> repositories -> other -> select best mirror
[10:59] <ebischoff> ouch, synaptic depends on one zillion GNOME dependancies... won't install them just for that test. But thanks everyone nevertheless. As said before, a simple solution is to wait. Another is to test repositories at random too ;-).
[11:02] <ebischoff> Found a repository with qdbus in it
[11:02] <drussell> strange, I kind of expected there to be an apt- which had that functionality
[11:02] <drussell> yum has yum-fastestmirror
[11:03] <drussell> but there doesn't appear to be a similar thing for apt
"yum" and "fast" in the same sentence ?</troll>
[11:04] <ebischoff> also, what i needed was the most up to date repository, not the fastest
[11:05] <ebischoff> so it might be i would not have gotten the correct answer
[11:05] <ebischoff> ok, it worked, i'm logged in, thanks everyone !
[11:07] <ebischoff> (the only problem left i have with oneiric is that when i run mac os in virtualbox, the sound from itunes is a bit scratchy.... as you can see it's really no showstopper - lol)
[11:11] <drussell> ebischoff: ;o)
[11:12] <dabukalam> Pippi_Longstock: actually it's alpha
[11:12] <dabukalam> I'm trying to install ubuntu-desktop on a minimal oneiric, and I'm getting an error (ubuntu-desktop has unmet dependencies: Depends: gnome-session but it is not going to be installed Depends: unity but it is not going to be installed Depends: unity-2d but it is not going to be installed E:Broken Packages)
[11:15] <ebischoff> ok, thanks again everyone, and keep up with the good work. goodbye
[11:18] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[11:19] <drussell> hulo
[11:30] <BluesKaj> this kded4 issue is slowing my pc down terribly ...it's not sota but this is becoming very annoying ...even webpages loading are affected now
[11:31] <yofel> downgrade libntrack0 and ntrack-module-libnl-0
[11:31] <yofel> bug 826969
[11:45] <BluesKaj> ok yofel , how to downgrade , just remove , and is there a fallback version ?
[11:45] <BluesKaj> or ?
[11:46] <yofel> well, 011-1ubuntu2 was the last one, if you don't have that fetching 011-1ubuntu1.1 from natty-updates will work
[13:12] <BluesKaj> yofel, I got busy with other stuff , any "how to's " downgrade ntrack ? Looks like trying to remove it will take most of the kubuntu desktop with it.
[13:16] <yofel> I would fetch the natty debs from p.u.c and dpkg -i them
[13:16] <drussell> BluesKaj: you could force a version by using sudo apt-get install ntrack=versionnumber
[13:16] <drussell> BluesKaj: if it's still in the repos
[13:32] <BluesKaj> yofel , p.u.c ?
[13:34] <yofel> BluesKaj: http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/libntrack0 http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/ntrack-module-libnl-0
[13:34] <yofel> or wait a bit, fix was uploaded
[13:35] <BluesKaj> ok yofel thanks , I'll wait
[14:50] <coz_> hey guys
[15:04] <charlie-tca> No mouse or keyboard today when booting Xubuntu Oneiric after running updates. Any ideas how to make it work again?
[15:53] <BluesKaj> ok ntrack bug updated/ upgraded and fixed ...poor old pc was geting hot ... cpu load back to normal now
[16:11] <mikebeecham> hey guys...is it worth upgrading to 11.10 yet?
[16:13] <charlie-tca> Depends on what that means. It is always worth testing to report as many of the bugs as possible early enough to get them fixed before release.
[16:13] <escott> mikebeecham, depends on if you have a good reason to upgrade. it seems reasonably stable, but there are plenty of bugs
[16:13] <charlie-tca> It is not worth upgrading if you need a stable system
[16:14] <charlie-tca> took me an hour today to get things to work again after the updates
[16:16] <Pici> I didn't even bother to update today, too many packages that would have been left hanging.
[16:16] <mikebeecham> well I dont NEED a stable system, but I guess it depends on the kind of things that are likely to go wrong
[16:16] <charlie-tca> I managed to ssh in, run updates again, run clean, run some other crap, then reboot and get it to work again
[16:17] <charlie-tca> Mine started all the way to lightdm, then I had no mouse or keyboard
[16:17] <charlie-tca> several reports the last two days of X not starting
[16:17] <Pici> I also have rebooted in... 2 weeks, and I'm afraid to.
[16:17] <escott> mikebeecham, be prepared to check in here often i guess
[16:17] <Pici> er, haven't.
[16:17] <charlie-tca> I can go a day or two, sometimes a week before I reboot and fight with it again
[16:22] <BluesKaj> for those who use kde, the kded4 the ntrack bug "fix is in the mix" /repositories
[16:24] <BluesKaj> I update/upgrade/dist-upgrade everyday... I have a life but it's a bit slow lately :)
[16:24] <Ian_Corne> i want my weather back in the time and date thingy
[16:29] <dsathe> i want my wireless broadband recogonised again
[16:29] <dsathe> or i will have no choice but to bid adeau to ubuntu
[16:29] <dsathe> :(
[16:29] <BluesKaj> dsathe,  which chip /module
[16:30] <dsathe> tata photon plus
[16:30] <dsathe> id 1446
[16:30] <dsathe> hauwei
[16:31] <BluesKaj> dsathe, sorry never heard of it ...new to me , but if NM doesn't work for you maybe wicd will
[16:31] <dsathe> hmm
[16:32] <dsathe> lemme try that
[16:32] <dsathe> wvdial dint recogonise it though
[16:32] <dsathe> :(
[16:33] <BluesKaj> wvdial is new to me as well ...I don't get around much
[16:34] <dsathe> KK
[16:34] <dsathe>  arch is seeming tempting now
[16:35] <dsathe> 2-3 packages i rely on may not work on arch so hesitant to switch
[16:35]  * BluesKaj shrugs  , well, whatever
[16:36] <dsathe> ill try a fresh install over the weekend, of oneric
[16:36] <dsathe> then letsee
[16:36] <dsathe> :)
[16:36] <dsathe> love the universe repo too much
[16:36] <dsathe> n ppa's ocourse :)
[16:37] <BluesKaj> dsathe, this is alpha phase 3 afterall ..gotta expect bugs , even tho they're annoying
[16:37] <dsathe> thats the fun
[16:37] <dsathe> :P
[16:37] <dsathe> oh arch has plenty more
[16:37] <dsathe> rooling rel
[16:38] <dsathe> need my datd card back n i am set ;)
[16:38] <BluesKaj> arch , not my cuppa tea ... I don't like hair shirts
[16:38] <dsathe> aha
[16:38] <dsathe> :D
[18:04] <tab1293> anyone know where i can find the realtek drivers for the RTL8188CE chipset for kernel 3.0?
[18:11] <BluesKaj> tab1293, http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=48&PFid=48&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true#RTL8188CE
[18:13] <dupondje> Window manager warning: Failed to load theme "Adwaita": Line 119 character 50: Did not understand color component "custom(wm_title_highlight,gtk:base" in color specification
[18:13] <dupondje> mmmm ...
[18:13] <tab1293> BluesKaj: im pretty sure i tried to compile that driver and it didnt work on 3.0
[18:15] <BluesKaj> tab1293, yeah , I was afraid that it wouldn't run ..pretty old kernel ...dunno if there anu upgrades
[18:15] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-themes-standard/+bug/828543
[18:16] <tab1293> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=46797 i compiled that driver in the comments that says it was patched but my wireless still seems to be very iffy
[18:41] <rohdef> has libXss somehow been removed from ia32-libs version 20090808ubuntu15?
[18:45] <rohdef> I can see it has, what do I do when Skype refuses to start with the message: skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXss.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:45] <rohdef> and when I force it to look at the x86_64 path it says: skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXss.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:51] <escott> rohdef, ia32-libs is on its way out in favor of multiarch
[18:51] <rohdef> ok, what do I need to install to fix this?
[18:52] <rohdef> binutils-multiarch?
[18:52] <rohdef> no says in the description that I won't need it
[18:52] <escott> rohdef, the package you want is libxss1:i386
[18:53] <escott> rohdef, nevermind sorry thats the 64bit one
[18:53] <rohdef> ah ok
[18:54] <escott> rohdef, multiarch should allow you to install the libxss1 386 version. check the multiarch wiki page
[18:55] <rohdef> I'll try because downgrading ia32 is only a very temporary solution
[18:55] <BluesKaj> well now , looks like there's a problem with flash on chromium , latest is enabled etc but the,  /var/lib/flashplugin-installer/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so , segfaults ...anyone else seeing this happen ?
[19:00] <rohdef> the wikis I found so far doesn't tell anything about how I actually use it
[19:00] <rohdef> a lot of rationale and explaining how it's (all sounds quite good, but not what I need)
[19:01] <rohdef> ah found something
[19:07] <rohdef> ok apart from I can't see how I see the difference between 32bit and 64bit packages in aptitude it looks really neat compared to the ia32 solution
[19:17] <osrcrocks> hello everybody ... can one discuss issues with updates in this channel?
[19:18] <rww> osrcrocks: updates to Ubuntu oneiric?
[19:18] <osrcrocks> regarding Oneiric, yes
[19:18] <rww> osrcrocks: yes
[19:18] <osrcrocks> thanks .... after updates today,  lightdm and/or gnome-session has problems
[19:19] <osrcrocks> it's not related to the glib2  issue ... I downgraded glib2 just in case .... still cannot get to the lightdm login
[19:21] <osrcrocks> I can use recovery mode and do a "startx" ... but that is not ideal
[19:21] <osrcrocks> could it be related to the recent libpam upgrades?
[19:22] <osrcrocks> any suggestions?
[19:24] <h00k> bah, when is art goong to drop for oneiric :(
[19:25] <h00k> *going
[19:28] <osrcrocks> specifically, boot stalls after "checking for battery ... OK"
[19:28] <rww> h00k: right before UI freeze! :D
[19:28] <rohdef> but damn it's messy when doing manual searches for everything. But ok all manual library work tends to become messy
[19:28] <h00k> rww: I know, I know...bah!
[19:29] <h00k> I'd just like to know what the wallpaper pack will be.
[19:29] <h00k> You know, the important things.
[19:29] <rww> pictures of ocelots that are asleep
[19:29] <rww> 11.1 ocelots
[19:29]  * h00k gives rww an additional zero
[19:30]  * rww gives h00k an additional zero
[19:31] <h00k> /nick h000k
[19:31] <BluesKaj> tried a purge then reinstall flashplugin-installer due to segfault with , /var/lib/flashplugin-installer/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so", the reultant > nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so"
[19:32] <IAmNotThatGuy> osrcrocks, ctrl + alt + F1 and typing sudo restart lightdm in the terminal?
[19:32] <osrcrocks> IAmNotThatGuy: I will try it again, thanks
[19:34] <BluesKaj> nspluginwrapper update is still bieng held back , but it's obviously needed
[20:16] <BUGabundo> bRoas
[20:16] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: thanks for the lightdm tip yesterday, but I still don't have a working login system :(
[20:17] <charlie-tca> sorry
[20:17] <charlie-tca> Took me an hour to get logged in today
[20:18] <charlie-tca> shouldn't have restarted after updating, I guess
[20:21] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: : startx
[20:21] <BUGabundo> protip
[20:21] <BUGabundo> free of charge
[20:21] <BUGabundo> oh wait
[20:21] <BUGabundo> its Friday
[20:21] <charlie-tca> Have to get to a tty to use it
[20:21] <BUGabundo> I better NOT do upgrades
[20:22] <charlie-tca> System was hanging long before that point, when it did go to lightdm, it was no keyboard or mouse time
[20:22] <BUGabundo> humm uogrades seem safe
[20:22] <charlie-tca> heh
[20:22] <charlie-tca> aint restarting again today
[20:22] <BUGabundo> LOL
[20:32] <h00k> So, the Skype is failing for me: skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXss.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[20:32] <h00k> I thought that was maybe part of ia32-libs, but that's installed
[20:32] <h00k> I'm running 64bit.
[20:42] <rww> h00k: scroll up to rohdef's conversation earlier about it
[20:44] <BluesKaj> anyone else have flash segfaults ?
[20:46] <BUGabundo> no
[20:46] <BUGabundo> but I have with CIFS
[20:46] <BUGabundo> reported yesterdat
[20:49] <GTRsdk> has a package replaced xulrunner-dev?
[20:49] <h00k> rww: Yeah, I see that, but I didn't see a solution, but I can reread later when I get more of a chance to pay attention to it.
[20:58] <jtaylor> h00k: you need to install a bunch of i386 libs
[20:58] <jtaylor> libqtgui4:i386 libqt4-dbus:i386 libxss1:i386 on my system
[20:58] <GTRsdk> h00k: amd64 and oneiric?
[21:05] <len> Is anyone else having the KDE Printer applet crash on startup?
[21:08] <h00k> GTRsdk: yep
[22:07] <Machtin> BluesKaj: anything new on the kdeinit?
[22:45] <gr8Q> I need to update my wine git tree How to update it?
[22:46] <Ian_Corne> git update
[22:46] <Ian_Corne> i think
[22:47] <gr8Q> git: 'update' is not a git command. See 'git --help'.
[22:47] <Ian_Corne> git pull
[22:48] <gr8Q> it said already up to date ?
[22:48] <Ian_Corne> it's git pull :)
[22:48] <Ian_Corne> err
[22:48] <Ian_Corne> gah, i'm bad at git sec :p
[22:49] <gr8Q> this is my version wine-1.3.14-3-g2da0a9c and want to go higher version
[23:08] <BUGabundo> in the mist of the night, I leave no trail. only one waits me, my beloved feather pillow
[23:14] <Ian_Corne> goodnight bullgard4


[00:50] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1015782] package qt4-doc (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: short read on buffer copy for b... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1015782 (by Andre)
[08:36] <Riddell> good morning friends
[09:53]  * Riddell uploads kde-l10n world
[10:05] <Riddell> agateau: is lightdm in a state worth experimenting for alpha 2 ?
[10:08] <Riddell> anyone got gpg agent working?
[10:08] <Riddell> mine hasn't for ages
[10:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you know what the state of kde-telepathy is in https://launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/+archive/ppa ?
[10:24]  * yofel_ has been using ligthdm-kde for a while now
[10:24] <yofel_> for my simple notebook needs it works fine
[10:25] <yofel> oh, one thing I constantly forget
[10:26] <yofel> agateau: in the classic lightdm-kde UI: if one inputs the username and then presses tab to input the password, the password field gets the keyboard focus, but without any indication of that (no cursor or whatever). Works, but feels wrong
[10:33] <debfx> I encountered two issues when switch from kdm to lightdm-kde: 1) shutdown/restart buttons are not working
[10:34] <debfx> 2) it didn't pick the kubuntu session (which is the only one), instead it used one that didn't exist so logging in always failed until I manually selected the kubuntu session
[10:38] <yofel> the restart and suspend buttons work here, shutdown doesn't
[10:39] <yofel> but the hibernate button should either be hidden or have a tooltip that says why it's disabled
[10:56] <Riddell> debfx: yep I can confirm those issues
[11:31] <shadeslayer> jussi: did you get to test calligra from staging?
[11:31] <shadeslayer> should I move it to beta backports?
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:24] <Riddell> that sounds like a good idea
[12:24] <Riddell> tsk
[12:35] <tkennedy> is anyone familiar with using pidgin DBus and how to get a buddies status?
[12:35] <Riddell> nope, pidgin isn't part of our domain, try #ubuntu
[12:36] <tkennedy> ok thanks
[12:50] <Sput> so this Canonical guy who is at QtCS said something that sounded like "we're building all our future applications on Qt/QML"? did I misunderstand that?
[12:53] <Riddell> Sput: that sounds about right
[12:54] <Riddell> except for unity where for some reason they've made their own toolkit
[12:54] <Sput> interesting.
[13:01] <Riddell> Sput: do you know who it was?
[13:27] <Sput> Riddell: can't remember the name, was some french name
[13:27] <Sput> black hair
[13:46] <Ezim> http://blue-systems.com/ finally it looks better now
[13:47] <Riddell> stylish
[13:48] <Riddell> ScottK: a couple of telepathy packages in new if you have time
[13:50] <shadeslayer> cool site :D
[14:00] <ScottK> OK.  There's a decent chance I'll have time today.
[14:04]  * apachelogger hates being held up by upstreams
[14:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: where is my DATA?!?!?!?!?!@?!$%!^&@
[14:05]  * apachelogger notes that quantal might be the series we finally get tomahawk into the archvies :P
[14:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: who's holding you up?
[14:06] <apachelogger> liblastfm upstream not answering questions about porting to liblastfm1
[14:06] <apachelogger> on a related note ... amarok's port is done and working and awesome
[14:07] <apachelogger> clementine's port is almost done also work and also awesome, but requires one more error handling to be ported
[14:14] <davmor2> Riddell: can you try something for me please try clicking on an install button for an app from apps.ubuntu.com/cat  apparently it doesn't work in FF or in rekonq but does in chrome, I'm not sure if it is something you can fix in the package or not
[14:14] <davmor2> Riddell: the correct behaviour is to open the package manager and install the app
[14:15] <Riddell> davmor2: clicking on the "available on software centre" button for an apt: url?
[14:16] <Riddell> davmor2: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/clementine/ works in rekonq, successfully opens up qapt
[14:16] <Riddell> firefox says "The address wasn't understood"
[14:17] <davmor2> Riddell: oh interesting Danny tried and the only app that understood it was Chrome for him
[14:17] <Riddell> davmor2: it'll need something to handle the apt: URLs, I think qapt adds that for KDE apps
[14:17] <Riddell> no idea what would add it for firefox
[14:18] <davmor2> Riddell: yeah and chrome just calls xdg-open which works
[14:18] <Riddell> davmor2: chromium doesn't even show the "available on software centre" button for me
[14:22] <davmor2> Riddell: I thought it might be a nice way for KDE folks to pass around recommended apps as well as Ubuntu folks,  as you can twitter/facebook/g+/email them from there :) plus it might see some KDE apps filter to the top of the searches too which might be nice :)
[14:24] <davmor2> Riddell: oh nice catch I can confirm here
[14:27] <davmor2> Riddell: is clementine build for Quantal yet I think that is what the issue is there https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/precise/clementine/ show up with the precise link and on quantal it say also available for your distro series
[14:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: check yer email
[14:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer--
[14:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is exactly what I said in the meeting I do not need
[14:37] <shadeslayer> whut
[14:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: precisely why I wanted logs
[14:38] <shadeslayer> because I didn't remember the context
[14:38] <apachelogger> irclogs.ubuntu
[14:38] <shadeslayer> sure, what date?
[14:41] <Riddell> davmor2: clementine is available for quantal yes
[14:41] <Riddell> I just installed it via rekonq
[14:42] <davmor2> Riddell: cool I'll get on it
[14:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: look it up?
[14:54] <apachelogger> do you think I remember when we had meetings?
[15:17] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1016092] package libqtcore4 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.1 failed to install/upgrade: conffile './etc/xdg/Troll... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1016092 (by ist)
[16:24] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [994036] package libqt4-xmlpatterns 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: short read on buffer... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/994036 (by Benito Abreu)
[17:28] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1005677] Re-emergence of "Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widg... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1005677 (by Doug McMahon)
[17:39] <shadeslayer> agateau: are you coming to Akademy?
[18:25] <ScottK> BTW, if anyone thinks I'm wrong from a Kubunt POV about the whole release milestone flamewar going on on ubuntu-devel, please let me know.
[19:40] <yofel> ScottK: let's say I'm with you about: Without milestones, we'll never test the images
[19:40] <ScottK> yofel: thanks.
[19:42] <shadeslayer> agreed ^
[20:21] <shadeslayer> did anyone test calligra packages for precise?
[20:21] <shadeslayer> jussi: ^
[21:00] <Riddell> ScottK: agreed
[21:04] <yofel> hm...
[21:04]  * yofel wonders why his system believes it's "Fri Jun 22 01:03:46 CEST 2012" right now
[21:04] <yofel> that's 2h off
[21:08] <yofel> seems like something messed with the hardware clock
[21:08] <Riddell> not unknown that
[21:08] <Riddell> the batteries in hardware clocks are as unreliable as batteries anywhere else
[22:43] <BarkingFish> Evening all. I wonder if someone would be kind enough to do a check for me please?  I'm with a user in #kubuntu, he's trying to install the pouetchess package from our Universe pool, and it's not working. He's getting an error of "no installation candidate" and for me, it's saying it's unable to locate the package - but I know it's there :)
[22:43] <BarkingFish> http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/pouetchess/
[22:44] <BarkingFish> he has all the necessary sources installed, I just helped him add all the repositories he needs.  Anyone else get this or a similar issue?


[03:07] <mapps> morning
[06:18] <knightwise> goor moning mapps
[08:43] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls
[09:10] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy Chocolate Chip Cookie Day! 😁  🍪
[09:11] <zmoylan-pi> disaster... no choc chip cookies in the house... were was the 2 week build up at local supermarkets like they have for valentines day?!
[09:11] <foobarry> anyone know how to get the package containing synclient?
[09:11] <foobarry> package xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is not availabel but is referred by another package
[10:03] <popey> foobarry: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics exists here
[10:03] <foobarry> thx, i was on livecd, so had issue. turns out my device isn't synaptic
[10:03] <foobarry> having terrible issues with my touchpad
[10:15] <foobarry> how would i find out the driver version being used by a touchpad?
[10:23] <zmoylan-pi> ? http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/41817/linux-how-to-find-the-device-driver-used-for-a-device
[11:10] <foobarry> managed to disable my keyboard \o/
[11:10] <foobarry> fixed the jittery mouse issue in doing so. now need to decide what i want the most
[11:18] <knightwise> morning
[11:30] <bittin> morning
[11:32] <popey> hello bittin
[11:34] <bittin> running Ubuntu on a friends chromebook here watching a bit of Assembly
[11:39] <zmoylan-pi> it does seem the only way to replace my now ancient netbook is to run ubuntu on a chromebook...
[11:46] <diddledan__> this is a fun one: http://blogs.unity3d.com/2016/04/25/debugging-memory-corruption-who-the-hell-writes-2-into-my-stack-2/
[11:53] <popey> i understand a small amount of that
[11:53] <popey> "Somebody had been touching my sentinel’s privates – and it definitely wasn’t a friend. " made me chuckle
[11:53] <diddledan__> :-p
[11:54] <diddledan__> popey, I think you've been spending too much time listening to my innuendo
[11:54] <zmoylan-pi> if that's what you kids call it these days... :-P
[12:00] <diddledan__> love space-hair! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-S4NxNYnoU
[12:03] <zmoylan-pi> closest thing to a tricorder yet when you can glance at female astronaut hair for quick check of air tight integrity... :-P
[13:07] <diddledan__> is it a limitation of X that ubuntu can't scale each screen's window-contents separately? if I set scale to screen with largest controls then everything is huge on my 72dpi screens and if I set to scale to the smallest controls then everything is too tiny on my retina screen
[13:07] <diddledan__> where 72dpi is a synonym for "normal"
[13:18] <ali1234> no, that is not a limitation of X
[13:18] <ali1234> there are multiple different ways ubuntu could do that
[13:24] <diddledan__> still at least it's better than before when nothing was scaled at all
[13:25] <diddledan__> this is incremental progress, which is good
[13:25] <diddledan__> I prefer incremental development to revolution
[14:52] <foobarry> launchpad having a bit of a wobble
[14:52] <foobarry> timeouts on performing actions
[14:55] <diddledan__> foobarry, perhaps the americans got their measurements wrong again and the rocket is veering offcourse (launchpad)
[14:55] <foobarry> "Timeout error, please try again in a few minutes."
[14:55] <foobarry> cannot save a bug as a dupe
[14:56] <diddledan__> perhaps someone needs to file a bug about launchpad, on launchpad
[14:57] <daftykins> i think that would tear a hole in all that we know
[14:57] <diddledan__> oh, yeah, launchpad is broken so you can't file a bug about launchpad on launchpad because launchpad is down
[14:58] <diddledan__> daftykins, like God disproving his own existence in a puff of logic?
[15:02] <daftykins> whom? ;)
[15:02] <foobarry> fixed now. i knew going for a poo fwould fix it
[15:02] <daftykins> but have you calculated how much you're being paid for that strategy?
[15:21] <diddledan__> I see omgubuntu claiming that dekko will be snapped soon. I wonder how soon that soon is?
[15:45] <DJones> foobarry: popey: Just looking at todays updates for Ubuntu, there is an update to "Secure Boot chain-loading bootloader (Microsoft signed binary)" I wonder if that is to deal with the problem you had yesterday
[15:46] <daftykins> o0
[15:46] <diddledan__> what problem was that?
[15:47] <DJones> 11:45 < foobarry> anniversary update totally hosed my grub
[15:47] <diddledan__> I thought that was completely wiping non-windows partitions from the gpt/mbr
[15:48] <DJones> I think popey will know more about the issue, he tweeted something about it
[15:49] <diddledan__> popey tweeted about linux partitions disappearing, as I said
[15:49] <DJones> Yeah, that was the one
[15:49] <DJones> I'm wondering if that update is the fix for it
[15:49] <diddledan__> grub cannot work if there's no partition for it's files
[15:49] <diddledan__> I fail to see how a grub update can fix a problem of the parition being not there
[15:50] <daftykins> a secure boot update would have nothing to do with a legacy bootloader getting hosed
[15:51] <daftykins> you'd think...
[15:51] <diddledan__> the issue wasn't anything to do with the bootloader. the partitions were physically gone
[15:51] <daftykins> wat
[15:52] <diddledan__> the windows anniversary updater removed any linux partitions
[15:52] <daftykins> seems dubious
[15:52] <diddledan__> no linux partitions, means nothing for grub to read it's config from
[15:53] <diddledan__> hence hosed grub
[15:53] <daftykins> yeah i kinda know how it works
[15:53] <daftykins> :P
[15:56] <diddledan__> is an office suite made of sugar and tastiness?
[15:56] <diddledan__> I like sweets
[15:56] <daftykins> 365 flavours
[15:56] <daftykins> so i hear
[16:03] <daftykins> i wonder what config needs to be present to give it a trial run, it'd be interesting to see if i can replicate it
[16:06] <DJones> daftykins: https://linux.slashdot.org/story/16/08/03/1614223/windows-10-anniversary-update-borks-dual-boot-partitions  Don't know if that gives you any extra info
[16:07] <diddledan__> I don't understand slashdot
[16:07] <diddledan__> what's the point of posting a verbatim copy of someone else's article?
[16:07] <daftykins> well they filtered the pathetic Microsoft hatred from omgubuntu, so there's that
[16:07] <diddledan__> more to the point, why DJones did you link the slashdot and not the original? :-p
[16:08] <DJones> diddledan__: That was the first link that came up
[16:08] <DJones> Just looking at the comments from users on omgubuntu
[16:10] <DJones> Looks like most cases it works ok, just a small minority that have issues, not limited to Ubuntu, I see mentions of archlinux as well
[16:12] <daftykins> i have a sneaking suspicion the people suffering would have installed Windows second
[16:13] <diddledan__> daftykins, ask foobarry
[16:13] <DJones> And looking at other links, its not limited to linux partitions, seems like its also wiping ntfs partitions as well
[16:13] <DJones> Thats reading through http://windowsreport.com/partition-disappears-windows-10-anniversary-update/
[16:15] <knightwise> eeeevnin
[16:16] <diddledan__> allo
[16:16] <daftykins> \o
[16:16] <daftykins> how's it going, knightwise ?
[16:16]  * DJones welcome knightwise
[16:36] <ali1234> why is it so hard to just leave the partition table alone?
[16:37] <diddledan__> ali1234, yeah it's really sucky that windows is STILL making a mess of multi-boot scenarios
[16:38] <ali1234> this is why i will only ever run windows in a VM
[16:43] <daftykins> seen plenty of drama in #ubuntu - not like Linux is immune to woes
[16:43] <daftykins> only cool to slate MS though i guess
[16:44] <diddledan__> daftykins, of course. it's all MS' fault.
[16:44] <ali1234> i can't remember the last time linux had a data loss bug
[16:45] <diddledan__> daftykins, just like shauno should feel bad for being an apple fanboy :-p
[16:45] <ali1234> probably btrfs
[16:45] <diddledan__> ali1234, with btrfs, any data loss has been with people that are running it before it's been deemed stable
[16:45] <daftykins> diddledan__: :D
[16:46] <ali1234> also completely unrealistic to claim that people only complain about MS
[16:46] <diddledan__> systemd
[16:46] <diddledan__> the borg of software
[16:46] <ali1234> yeah. and gnome 3, and unity, and wayland
[16:46] <daftykins> i don't believe that's what i said
[16:46]  * diddledan__ borgs daftykins
[16:47] <diddledan__> /nick diddlekins
[16:47] <daftykins> O_@
[16:47]  * daftykins is now known as diddlekins
[16:47] <diddledan__> or maybe daftydan?
[17:00] <Laney> the horror
[17:00] <Laney> radio 4 just played some of the pips at 6pm
[17:01] <Laney> as well as the bongs
[17:01] <Laney> it probably means there's a nuclear attack going on
[17:05] <zmoylan-pi> somewhere the british sub commanders are looking up their emergency orders...
[17:05] <daftykins> and cracking out the floppies
[17:07] <zmoylan-pi> +++evacuate british subjects from rhodesia+++ this will be difficult for a number of reasons... :-P
[17:08] <diddledan__> zmoylan-pi, didn't Boris wonder where that place was?
[17:08] <zmoylan-pi> some of boris's teachers probably were born there...
[17:13] <DJones> diddledan__: I doubt Boris even knows where the Isle of Wight, Falklands, Guernsey, Jersey, Isle of Man are
[17:13] <DJones> Or Ascension Island
[17:14] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: defending the Channel Islands will also be difficult, so we won't worry about that bit ;)
[17:15] <diddledan__> daftykins, we'll just let you get occupied again
[17:15] <daftykins> yep
[17:15] <popey> Laney: i flinched too
[17:15] <daftykins> and start thinking about giving us back to France
[17:15] <daftykins> sacré bleu
[17:16] <zmoylan-pi> at least you can then ignore talks about brexit... :-P
[17:16]  * DJones puts daftykins on ebay
[17:16] <diddledan__> popey, Laney, was it like: pip pip booooooong?
[17:16] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: we could to begin with - and did
[17:17] <zmoylan-pi> tomorrow it'll be *pip* *pip* *pip* *cuckoo* just to shake things up
[17:17] <diddledan__> lol
[21:12] <daftykins> dee-da-dee
[22:09] <ali1234> so kodi-pvr-mythtv in ubuntu doesn't work with the version of mythtv in ubuntu, which is the current stable release
[22:09] <ali1234> the source package claims to be taken from a git repository which doesn't contain the source code
[22:10] <ali1234> and as far as i can tell the claimed version number doesn't exist
[22:45] <daftykins> ali1234: how about the PVR addons from the kodi repo?
[22:45] <daftykins> assuming you don't have it added
[22:46] <ali1234> there aren't any pvr addons in the kodi repo
[22:46] <ali1234> the category straight up doesn't exist
[22:46] <ali1234> there is a video add on called mythbox which is several years out of date
[22:47] <daftykins> hmm surprising
[22:48] <ali1234> there is a ppa which has a newer version of the pvr plugin
[22:48] <ali1234> but when i install it, it just says "the add-on could not be loaded"
[22:48] <daftykins> and the log says?
[22:49] <ali1234> 23:45:47 T:140576512505600   ERROR: ADDON: Could not locate pvr.mythtv.so
[22:49] <daftykins> wonder if you can pinch it from the other package
[22:49] <ali1234> no need, the ppa installs it
[22:49] <ali1234> /usr/lib/kodi/addons/pvr.mythtv/pvr.mythtv.so
[22:49] <ali1234> kodi just can't find it because apparently it is brain damaged
[22:50] <daftykins> maybe looking in the wrong place
[22:50] <daftykins> how about throwing it in ~/.kodi/...blah blah
[22:50] <ali1234> oh i see the problem
[22:51] <ali1234> it is supposed to be at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/kodi/addons/pvr.mythtv/pvr.mythtv.so
[22:51] <ali1234> i will just make a symlink
[22:53] <daftykins> so was this 16.04, where the stable mythtv was updated and kodi-pvr-mythtv wasn't? just to work out where it's stemming from
[22:53] <ali1234> it still doesn't work
[22:54] <ali1234> yes it is 16.04
[22:54] <ali1234> mythtv 0.28
[22:54] <ali1234> pvr.mythtv 2.8.0 and 2.8.4 (ppa)
[22:55] <ali1234> oh there's another version bump in 2.8.5
[22:55] <ali1234> i guess i will just build the package myself then
[22:57] <daftykins> https://packages.debian.org/stretch/kodi-pvr-mythtv why are they so different o0
[22:57] <ali1234> there's found versions of kodi
[22:58] <ali1234> and so there's four versions of the plugin maintained in parallel
[22:58] <ali1234> 1.x is for helix, 2.x is for isengard, 3.x is for jarvis, 4.x is for the dev release
[22:59] <daftykins> ah har
[23:05] <ali1234> hey look at that it finally works
[23:06] <daftykins> often get folks coming in asking where the PVR addons are, seems to be a mess
[23:06] <daftykins> glad i don't touch liveTV setups
[23:07] <ali1234> livetv is literally the only bit i want
[23:07] <ali1234> i might just make my own
[23:08] <ali1234> this was still easier than getting mythtv-frontend to work


[01:19] <sigNeon> can anyone reccommend an app that will allow me to change individual icons to custom icons?
[01:21] <sigNeon> I'd like to change google-chrome icon to a custom one that I like better.
 Good day … I have a problem with the sound in kubuntu, I just don't hear anything. … I uninstall and reinstall pulse audio and the problem was not solved, the problem increased because the audio icon no longer appears in the system tray and the icon that appears in the middle of the screen when the sound is increased or lowered. … I wanted to install GLava but I could not because of unmet dependencies, I think nothing
[02:35] <rage__> hey
[02:35] <rage__> anyone here?
 @rage__, i m  h e r e
[03:13] <rage__> oh hey bot
[04:08] <deeno> For some reason I cannot connect, even when mysql> is in the background. What have I forgotten?
[04:09] <deeno> Workbench won't even give me localhost connection from the textbox.
[04:13] <deeno> I,m wondering is there a root user in all linux distros.
[04:16] <deeno> It's probably a Kubuntu problem.
[04:17] <deeno> wrong channel sorry
[07:31] <lordievader> Good morning
 Good day … I have a problem with the sound in kubuntu, I just don't hear anything. … I uninstall and reinstall pulse audio and the problem was not solved, the problem increased because the audio icon no longer appears in the system tray and the icon that appears in the middle of the screen when the sound is increased or lowered. … I wanted to install GLava but I could not because of unmet dependencies, I think nothing
[12:05] <jukebohi> Hi. A longer while ago all the notification sounds stopped playing. Where can I control them. I'd like an audible notification about e.g. when a browser window makes a notification (popup)
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
 Good day … I have a problem with the sound in kubuntu, I just don't hear anything. … I uninstall and reinstall pulse audio and the problem was not solved, the problem increased because the audio icon no longer appears in the system tray and the icon that appears in the middle of the screen when the sound is increased or lowered. … I wanted to install GLava but I could not because of unmet dependencies, I think nothing
[13:24] <oerheks> IrcsomeBot, open konsole, alsamixer; F6 select sound device
[13:25] <BluesKaj> NewUser3671152667, or, cat /proc/asound/modules
[13:30] <BluesKaj> NewUser3671152667, and make sure automute in alsamixer is disabled
 (Photo, 1140x878) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/DzgBfweZ/file_25490.jpg 👉🙋♂ https://t.me/ovimescreek_bot?start=752340863
 @qaexepivexaeby2317, How do i report this guy?
 or thing?
[15:02] <oerheks> this is my objection about whatsapp/crap .. i filter IrcsomeBot from now on, god luck!
[15:02] <oerheks>  IrcsomeBot!*@* added to ignore list.
[15:19] <user|80740> is there and exe version of kubuntu
[15:19] <user|80740> instalation help
 @darltrash, Right click —> report message
[15:48] <jukebohi> Hi and thanks for the nice free OS and free support
[15:48] <jukebohi> Trying to install https://foldingathome.org/support/faq/installation-guides/linux/manual-installation-advanced/
[15:48] <jukebohi> Trying to install the 'fahcontrol' program it complains
[15:49] <jukebohi> "fahcontrol depends on python-support (>= 0.90.0)"
[15:49] <jukebohi> and it continues that
[15:50] <jukebohi> however:
[15:50] <jukebohi>   Package python-support is not installed.
[15:50] <jukebohi>  fahcontrol depends on python-gnome2; however:
[15:50] <jukebohi>   Package python-gnome2 is not installed.
[15:51] <jukebohi> 'python --version' is Python 2.7.17
[15:51] <jukebohi> any help to get my GPU crackin at those protein folds to find drugs against Covid-19 would be appreciated. I have irccloud, will hang around
[16:02] <jukebohi> reading up on the subject: python-support was removed from Ubuntu years ago
[16:03] <jukebohi> now people are suggesting downloading http://launchpadlibrarian.net/109052632/python-support_1.0.15_all.deb and manually installing it, but this version is probably too old
[16:04] <jukebohi> and I don't feel like installing any dodgy thing from any dodgy site
[16:37] <randy^ins> Hi, I got a question about the 20.04 release party. Do I need to register or something like that to attend?
[16:42] <oerheks> randy^ins, no, just join #ubuntu-release-party
[16:42] <oerheks> you are already registered with #freenode
[16:42] <randy^ins> Oh, right, I saw a password-box here: https://kubuntu.blindsidenetworks.net/kubuntu/
[16:44] <oerheks> oh, that is a different party, dunno
[16:45] <randy^ins> Aha, I followed the URL from here: https://kubuntu.org/event/kubuntu-20-04-release-party/
 try "welcome" as a password.
[16:52] <randy^ins> Hey, thanks! Now I'm all set.
[19:11] <personal> Hi ya all . I got problem , i switched to KDE and this wallet program is wrecking every thing
[19:13] <personal> I unistalled kwallet and the its gonbe from menu by not any where else
[19:14] <personal> I cant remove more of it because apt guts a huge chunk of the entire system
[19:14] <personal> I can program but i can not read programming documentation
 Change the drivers from nvidia to nouveau but when I restart, a black screen appears to log in. …    You'll need to install kwalletmanager-git from the AUR to manage kwallet5. That's the reason KWalletManager is showing nothing!"
[20:28] <personal_> E: Unable to locate package kwalletmanager-git
[20:29] <personal_> apt search kwalletmanager-git
[20:29] <personal_> apt search kwalletmanager
[20:30] <personal_> apt install kwalletmanager
[20:30] <personal_> kwalletmanager
[20:31] <personal_> Command 'kwalletmanager' not found, did you mean: command 'kwalletmanager5' from deb kwalletmanager
[20:34] <personal_> kwalletmanager5
[20:36] <valorie> personal_: you have been quieted because you are not following the guidelines of Ubuntu channels
[20:36] <valorie> our channels are family friendly
[20:37] <valorie> sudo apt install kwalletmanager5 should work for you
[21:16] <randy^ins> I feel like I witnessed someones decent into madness, reading that history.
[22:11] <gianni> ciao
[22:11] <gianni> !list
[22:51] <rafobr> Hi... sorry to bother you guys... I was trying to move the home partition to another hdd, but i got an error at login (failed to sync enviroment to dbus), i had previously copied all files to the new hdd and i set every apparently fine at /etc/fstab  . thanks if you have any hints :)


[04:46] <Darkwing> how stable is Pangolin at this point?
[04:48] <ScottK> Precise, apparently.
[04:51] <Darkwing> hehehe
[04:52] <Darkwing> I normally install at Alpha2
[04:52] <Darkwing> I'll run the live test and see how it's running.
[04:52] <Darkwing> Once I'm done backing up my system. :)
[04:53] <Darkwing> I need to get with you Scott on what all we do with QA for Kubuntu.
[04:53] <Darkwing> apachelogger: ping
[04:53] <Darkwing> oh wait... it's like 4a there.
[04:56] <ScottK> We just upload stuff and then see if people complain, right?
[04:57] <ScottK> No, not here, it's just going on midnight.
[04:57] <ScottK> Oh, apachelogger, More like 5 or 6.
[04:57] <Darkwing> LOL
[04:58] <Darkwing> Yeah... we shoudl prolly do something more then upload and react.
[04:59] <ScottK> You should find us some QA and bug triaging minions.
[05:00] <Darkwing> Yeah. I should. Seeing that all I do is community and docs.
[05:00] <Darkwing> Would be good for me to get deeper in something.
[05:01] <ScottK> Seems like QA/triage would be good places to go from there.
[05:01] <ScottK> ISO testing is the thing this week.
[05:01] <Darkwing> Yeah, I saw that. I'm going to start testing.
[05:02] <Darkwing> I need to get a good system for ISO testing.
[05:02] <Darkwing> Not computer system but, work style system
[06:46] <Darkwing> I must say... 12.04 and KDE 4.8 is sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
[06:47] <Darkwing> It feels more polished and snappy
[06:47] <Darkwing> have a couple of bugs to file with my ISO test though.
[09:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can you let telepathy-qt4 out of new? thanks
[09:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: let me do that
[09:40] <shadeslayer> okay :)
[09:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: accepted
[09:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's your next move?
[09:45] <shadeslayer> \o/
[09:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Looking at outdated debian packaging and seeing what can be done
[09:46] <shadeslayer>  http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/   pkg-kde/kde-extras/telepathy-kde/*
[09:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: "February 16th" "FeatureFreeze" there's your deadline to have it in main and replace kopete! (which may or may not be suitable)
[09:48] <shadeslayer> :D
[09:49] <Riddell> I wonder if we can do kubuntu active by then too.  probably not.
[09:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: are we following ubuntu in the ISO size?
[09:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that needs a decision too.  I would like to stay under 700MB but it needs some serious work and I might not be up to that
[09:49] <Riddell> although we have until the end of april to do that
[09:50] <shadeslayer> Likewise, but then if we go over 700 MB, then we can have both kopete and Telepathy and then kick kopete out in the next cycle
[09:50] <Riddell> no, that's a very un-ubuntu thing to do
[09:50] <shadeslayer> uh, okay
[09:50] <Riddell> best programme for the function is the ubuntu thing to do
[09:50] <Riddell> I made that mistake with juk and amarok in the first release :)
[09:50] <shadeslayer> :)
[09:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: okay, will try and meet deadline
[09:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it doesn't have to be bug free but it we should make that decision by FF
[09:51] <shadeslayer> yup
[10:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any idea how long it'll take to publish the tp-qt4 binaries?
[10:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: an hour or two?
[10:24] <Riddell> it's on a cron job and takes < an hour to run
[10:24] <shadeslayer> hmm
[10:25] <shadeslayer> time for battlestar galactica then :D
[10:32] <Riddell> !testing
[10:32] <Riddell> umm
[10:33] <Riddell> Tm_T: that's broken, can you sort?
[10:33] <Riddell> !testers
[10:33] <Riddell> oh it's that one
[10:33] <Riddell> ISOs to be tested ^^
[10:33] <Riddell> Tm_T: can you add James1479 to that, assuming he wants on ?
[10:33] <Riddell> oh he's on already, never mind
[10:33] <shadeslayer> will try tonight, assuming the ISO is under 700 Megs
[10:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's not
[10:34] <shadeslayer> bleh, can't test then :(
[10:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: don't you have writable DVDs or USB pens?
[10:35] <shadeslayer> can't boot a USB Pendrive on my MBP, I'll try and arrange a re writable DVD this weekend
[10:36] <Riddell> this weekend will be too late for alpha 2 but worth doing for future testing
[11:09] <agateau> Riddell: hi, how do I get patches in qtcreator? do I have to push them to the git packaging branch?
[11:16] <debfx> agateau: you can throw them at my direction. I want to update it to 2.4.1 anyway.
[11:17] <debfx> only the debian package lives in that git branch
[11:17] <agateau> debfx: ok great. is there an lp branch for the ubuntu package?
[11:20] <debfx> agateau: no
[11:21] <agateau> debfx: ok, just sent them to you by email
[11:21] <agateau> for the record, I am waiting for my corporate contributor agreement on qtproject to be approved so that I can propose them upstream
[11:22]  * agateau fetchs food
[11:28] <Riddell> agateau: I don't think there is a git packaging branch
[11:28] <Riddell> that sounds like a Debian thing not ubuntu
[11:28] <Riddell> so just find someone in ubuntu to check and upload it
[11:28] <Riddell> and send the same to debian if it's relevant there
[11:36]  * James147 wonders when that changed :P
[11:40] <Riddell> James147: the !testers factoid, Tm_T added it recently, feel free to moan to him if you don't want to be on it
[11:41] <James147> Riddell: Don't mind helping out when I can :)
[11:43] <Riddell> James147: ISO testing needing done now or today if you can spare a couple of hours
[11:43] <James147> Riddell: sure
[11:45]  * James147 wonders if dpkg/apt-get supports pre-install/upgrade hooks of some sort...
[12:06] <agateau> Riddell: I say there is a git packaging branch based on the Vcs-Git field in debian/control
[12:06] <Riddell> that'll be debian, least hassle way it to just fix it in ubuntu and send diff to debian by bug tracker
[12:06] <Riddell> unless debian packager is fabo
[12:07]  * Riddell out for an hour
[12:07] <Riddell> more ISO testing needed :)
[12:09] <James147> Riddell: what do I need to do for the ISO testing?
[13:27] <shadeslayer> :'(
[13:27] <shadeslayer> so much copyright stuff in ktp-common-internals
[13:35] <Riddell> James147: download an ISO, burn it, install it
[13:35] <Riddell> it's a slow but necessary process
[13:35] <Riddell> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com lists what is needed
[13:36] <yofel> James147: dpkg supports pre-/post-install/-remove scripts for every package
[13:41] <Tm_T> best is when those pre-install scripts require certain version of some other app
[13:41] <Tm_T> app/package
[14:20] <BluesKaj> hi all
[14:51] <Yuriy__> got leaky konqueror again with 4.8. anything to check before I kill it?
[14:52] <Riddell> Yuriy__: no, you're at the "tell upstream" stage
[14:53] <Riddell> bug report might be best
[14:53] <Riddell> someone with time and knowledge would use valgrind
[14:55] <Riddell> greyback: how did your dev week talk go yesterday?
[14:57] <greyback> Riddell: I think it went ok. It's a hard sell after the exciting UbuntuTV talk, but I got some good questions and people seemed interested, so all good I hope
[14:57] <Riddell> greyback: nice, sorry I missed it, I'll read the logs
[14:58] <Yuriy__> that's odd, I seem to have 4.8 RC2
[14:58] <greyback> Riddell: no worries. I'm trying to write up a blog post about it now, which will be pretty similar ;)
[14:59] <Riddell> Yuriy__: from Help -> About KDE?
[14:59] <Yuriy__> yeah
[14:59] <Riddell> I did a CD install now and it says 4.8.00
[15:00] <Yuriy__> packages are 4.8.0-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1, but about says 4.7.97 (4.8 RC2)
[15:00] <Riddell> Yuriy__: oh oneiric?
[15:00] <Yuriy__> yeah
[15:00] <Riddell> you don't have something installed and up to date?
[15:01] <Riddell> I think I would have noticed an issue like that, but now I'm on precise
[15:01] <Riddell> oh good virtualbox works again on precise, that'll help testing
[15:03] <Yuriy__> version prolem only appears in konqueror. i'll log out to make sure I don't have something running out of date
[15:05] <Yuriy__> oh even in konqueror "About konqueror" and "about KDE" show different versions
[15:05] <Riddell> konq has its own version no
[15:06] <Riddell> Yuriy__: maybe you are discovering that konq is badly maintained now
[15:10] <Yuriy__> : (
[15:10] <Yuriy__> and looks like the lost display settings wasn't a one time thing
[15:11] <Riddell> I've heard other people have that problem too
[15:11]  * ScottK waves.
[15:12] <Yuriy__> oh maybe I needed to click save as default
[15:14] <Yuriy__> nope that didn't do it
[15:17] <Yuriy__> could the verson thing be a packaging bug or should I just report it upstream?
[15:18] <Riddell> Yuriy__: more likely upstream
[15:18] <Quintasan> Hiho
[15:18] <Riddell> maybe it's a case of konq being compiled against old kdelibs
[15:18] <Riddell> let me see
[15:19] <Riddell> Yuriy__: precise About Konqueror says 4.8.0 so I think my theory is correct
[15:19] <Riddell> a recompile will fix it
[15:19] <Riddell> hi Quintasan
[15:20] <Quintasan> Riddell: Can you check if alioth is online? I can't access it for some reason (I know it was down yesterday)
[15:20] <Riddell> the website?
[15:20] <Riddell> http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ works fine
[15:31] <Quintasan> Riddell: thanks
[15:32] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: it seems like it is possile to boot off the glx accel kernel on transformer with u-boot, imma going to try this
[15:32] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: is the method independent of SBK version?
[15:32] <shadeslayer> if so, please to link me to the instructions
[15:33] <shadeslayer> and turns out they have a newer serial number as well
[15:33] <shadeslayer> SB0KAS series
[15:33] <shadeslayer> or something along that ....
[15:33] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: No idea about the SBK, I think it still requires you to use nvflash
[15:33] <shadeslayer> grrrr
[15:34] <Quintasan> Can't you send back your tf and get a refund and buy one from Poland? xD
[15:34] <shadeslayer> lilstevie hasn't been replying as well
[15:34] <Quintasan> Well, one should blame either ASUS or NVidia for breaking the nvflash magic
[15:35] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: lilstevie is usally around in #ubuntu-arm or #asus-transformer
[15:36] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I know, but he hasn't replied to any of my queries on #ubuntu-arm
[15:36] <shadeslayer> I guess he's busy with stuff
[15:36] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: catch him now, I just finished talking to him
[15:36] <shadeslayer> oh okay
[16:03] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: hah, he didn't reply so far :P
[16:03] <shadeslayer> he's probably got me on /ignore or something by now xD
[16:10] <shadeslayer> Uhm, anyone have a oneiric machine ?
[16:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: Yuriy__ does
[16:18] <shadeslayer> Yuriy__: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly < Please test the Telepathy Qt4 package for oneiric
[16:55] <apachelogger> Darkwing: do you have things in mind for QA?
[16:55] <apachelogger> that is non-trivial anyway
[18:08] <micahg> fun bug of the day: Bug #925002
[18:11] <Darkwing> apachelogger: if i d,
[18:11] <Darkwing> if i do it should be upstream
[18:12] <Darkwing> everything should be upstream
[18:13] <Darkwing> qa in kubuntu should be testing. At that point (ISO) is when upatream joins ubuntu
[18:15] <Darkwing> micahg: wow...
[18:24] <Riddell> micahg: oh?
[18:24] <Riddell> apachelogger or other native german speakers: opinion on bug 925002 ?
[18:27] <Darkwing> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zigeuner
[18:28] <Darkwing> it doesnt seem to mean what it used to.
[18:30] <ScottK> I've asked a native German speaker for an opinion.
[18:34] <Riddell> 18:30 < Sho_> Riddell: It's not really a racial slur in everyday colloquial use, so not really comparable to "nigger", but  it is a word with a storied history that may be worth avoiding in a translation indeed
[18:34] <Riddell> worth fixing if we can find a better translation
[18:34] <micahg> upstream is discussing on their i18n list
[18:37] <Darkwing> tag it reported and discussions upstream and close it in LP.
[18:37] <yofel> Darkwing: re Q/A, we still need triaging of our bugs - upstream bugs should go upstream ofc.
[18:38] <yofel> as for the translation Sho is pretty much right, although the interpretation depends on where you live too and how it's being used in that region
[18:38] <Riddell> apparantly it's a translation for the game "gypsy"
[18:38] <yofel> ok, I would've translated that the same on first guess
[18:39] <Darkwing> yofel: im trying to find a way to give guidance on lp on all of our packages to report upstream
[18:39] <Darkwing> much like ubiquity dous when you report there
[18:40] <yofel> Darkwing: you know of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Responses ?
[18:40] <yofel> Riddell: and as I thought, "Zigeuner" is the correct german translation for "gypsy"
[18:41] <yofel> so I tend to agree with the translator, but let's see what they decide
[18:42] <ScottK> Riddell: Here's what I got when I asked: "I think free speech is important, but in the German social context the term "Zigeuner" clearly is a vehicle of negative prejudice against the Roma people, and Roma typically find it offensive. I just looked at the Ubuntu Code of Conduct and it seems that this should not be allowed. Then again, the game could be satire of the same mindset that likes to use the term "Zigeuner", and then I could see having
[18:42] <ScottK>  it. I mean, it could be a parody of that mindset. But it probably isn't. I have no idea if "Zigeuner" is a racial slur, because technically there are no races within Homo sapiens, but most people don't get that, so it might still be a racial slur in an imaginary sense. Not much more I can say about it."
[18:45] <Riddell> a game name isn't a suitable place for satire
[18:45] <Darkwing> Then again, much like Scotch Tape could be a racial slur in a term. (See Riddell, I remembered)
[18:45] <yofel> Darkwing: and just by the way, if you plan on doing QA, it would be worth to join #ubuntu-bugs and #ubuntu-testing just so you get to know the other qa folks
[18:45] <Riddell> Darkwing: yes but that doesn't have such social problems historically, scots were never massacred by a fascist government
[18:45] <yofel> if you plan to do triaging you should eventually get into ubuntu bug control anyway
[18:45] <Darkwing> Riddell: True,
[18:46] <Darkwing> yofel: Thanks.
[18:46] <Darkwing> yofel: I think what apachelogger and I had talked about was getting Kubuntu users to file all bugs upstream then handpicking the ones that belonged in LP.
[18:47] <yofel> I'm not sure if the upstream triagers will like that
[18:47] <Darkwing> 99.9% of our bugs belong upstream.
[18:48] <yofel> not that much, but it's still the question on how you'll get them to file them upstream
[18:49] <yofel> we already have all kde bug reporting options on
[18:49] <debfx> why don't we let the german ubuntu translation team deal with that bug?
[18:49] <debfx> we (as in packagers) don't even have the permission to change translations
[18:50] <ScottK> debfx: Because generally the last thing we want to be doing is encouraging Ubuntu translators to "Fix" KDE translations.
[18:50] <yofel> Darkwing: sure, we *could* add an apport hook to all packages that tells them to go upstream, but I'm not sure if that's something we want to maintain
[18:51] <Darkwing> yofel: That's why I was trying to figure something out at the LP level
[18:51] <ScottK> Apport shouldn't be firing on KDE apps anyway.
[18:52] <yofel> well, it will still work if people run like 'ubuntu-bug plasma-desktop' as they're used from ubuntu
[18:54] <debfx> ScottK: then add a comment saying just that to the bug and reassign it
[18:55] <ScottK> I think we ought to figure out what we want and then if upstream declines to fix it, patch i18n.
[18:56] <Darkwing> I agree...
[18:58] <Riddell> ScottK: hopefully sho has a plan to come up with an answer
[18:58] <ScottK> Yes.
[19:02] <BluesKaj> anyone having issues with slow loading of files , when ssh'd into a lan or remote pc ?
[19:03] <BluesKaj> sfpt is much faster , which shouldn't be
[19:03] <BluesKaj> sftp
[19:08] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: hmm, it's a bit slow here as well, but mostly because I have very low bandwidth
[19:11] <Darkwing> KMail in KDE 4.8 still hates IMAP boxes over 10K emails.
[19:12] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer,  it used to be very quick until kde 4.8 installed on this pc, the lan pc is still on 4.7.4
[19:14] <BluesKaj>  the Lan pc is also on 12.04 and something else came down the pipe to slow it down
[19:15] <BluesKaj> couI guess
[19:17] <ScottK> Darkwing: I've got one with over 15K that's fine on 4.7.4.
[19:17] <ScottK> Using DIMAP however.
[19:18] <yofel> my mail folder itself works fine in kmail, but I still can't use the right trash folder
[19:19] <Darkwing> ScottK: im going to keep wing at it. i hate hate hate thunderbird.
[19:21] <BluesKaj> hmm, t-bird works fine here , kmail hasn't worked prerly for me since they tied it  akonadi and kontact , I fail to see the resaon why that was done . akonadi is basically useless to us home users.
[19:22] <apachelogger> Riddell, yofel, debfx: that is a kde bug and quite frankly I don't see how it has anything to do with the coc
[19:22] <apachelogger> the coc defines inter-community relationships
[19:23] <apachelogger> all that said, the bug itself is rather silly as that is what the game is called not a reference to people
[19:28] <Darkwing> apachelogger: I would agree with you. But, I don't think it should just be closed without a comment on where it stands.
[19:42] <BluesKaj> also my HP printer isn't recognized as the default printer and the notifier gives the the "may not be connected" message
[19:53] <apachelogger> there is drunken people sining outside my window
[19:53]  * apachelogger ponders throwing his printer out
[19:54] <ScottK> apachelogger: You should come inside.
[19:54] <ScottK> Oh.  Wait.  You meant someone else.
[19:54] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InXVyUMMjps
[19:54]  * apachelogger waves fist int he general direction of ScottK
[19:54]  * ScottK saw apachelogger mention drunk and jumped to the logical, but in this case, wrong conclusion.
[19:55]  * apachelogger hasn't had a drop since saturday :(
  it. I mean, it could be a parody of that mindset. But it probably isn't. I have no idea if "Zigeuner" is a racial slur, because technically there are no races within Homo sapiens, but most people don't get that, so it might still be a racial slur in an imaginary sense. Not much more I can say about it."  <-- would they prefer "ethnic slur"?
[19:57] <ScottK> That wasn't me, that was from a native German speaker I know.
[19:57] <ScottK> Probably.
[19:57] <maco> hence they not you
[19:57] <ScottK> Right, missed the bit at the end at first.
[20:01]  * shadeslayer had whiskey for the first time ever yesterday
[20:01] <shadeslayer> better than beer if I may say so ...
[20:03] <shadeslayer> also, ktp-common-internals uploaded to https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly
[20:03] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ^
[20:05] <yofel> debfx: could you review oxygen-gtk3 in ninjas when you have time?
[20:06] <apachelogger> maco: actually IIRC zigeuner was originally a social term refering to people who live "on the road", only through the nutzis it got an ethnic drift
[20:07] <apachelogger> and about that comment WRT to no races within homo sapiens ... there were between 193* and 1945, proofing my point about messed up meaning from above without having to digg through a tediously long wikipedia article ^^
[20:24] <debfx> yofel: do you want me to upload it?
[20:24] <yofel> if it's ok, go ahead
[20:24] <yofel> thanks
[20:25] <debfx> yofel: it doesn't still the theme to a multiarch location
[20:26] <debfx> other than that it looks fine
[20:26] <debfx> I guess CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX_INITIALIZED_TO_DEFAULT needs to be set
[20:28] <yofel> where did you get that from?
[20:29] <debfx> from the oxygen gtk2 package
[20:29] <yofel> ah, ok, my error
[20:30] <debfx> ok, uploaded
[20:30] <yofel> did you add it?
[20:30] <debfx> yep
[20:31] <yofel> k
[20:34] <debfx> hm dpkg-shlibdeps says "contains an unresolvable reference to symbol _ZNK6Oxygen12TreeViewData19updateColumnsCursorEv"
[20:37] <debfx> that's a bug
[20:48] <yofel> thanks for filing that
[20:58] <debfx> yofel: have you found another way to set the gtk3 theme except that xsettings-kde thing?
[20:58] <debfx> oh, we already have that in the archive
[20:58] <yofel> only that and the ini file so far
[20:58] <debfx> how convenient
[20:58] <yofel> I'm a bit stuck in exams right now
[20:59] <yofel> the version we have is older than what fedora has, but it might still work
[21:04] <debfx> I wonder what else xsettings-kde does
[21:04] <apachelogger> xsettings ^^
[21:04] <apachelogger> single most funny thing ever invented
[21:04] <apachelogger> right after sl maybe
[21:05] <yofel> I don't particulary like that solution, but as long as I don't know what lubuntu and xubuntu do it's better than the ini file
[21:07]  * yofel pokes in #xubuntu-devel
[21:10] <rdieter> yofel: we/fedora went with using xsettings-kde as the least bad solution too.  in a perfect world, there's be a *lot* more harmonizing between oxygen-gtk*, xsettings-kde, kcm-gtk (some day maybe).
[21:12] <yofel> my problem with xsettings is that it doesn't make a difference between gtk2 and 3. But yeah, currently it might be the best solution
[21:12] <rdieter> the non-difference is gnome's problem.  they do not distingish gtk2/gtk3 :(
[21:18] <debfx> yofel: xfce4-settings seems to contain an xsettings daemon
[21:19] <yofel> k, guess we'll go with that then
[21:19] <debfx> rdieter: what else does xsettings-kde do? or have you disabled the other parts?
[21:22] <rdieter> debfx: I'm not intimately familiar with it (Kevin_Kofler is our goto guy).  I believe it can share preferences for fonts, color scheme, icon theme too, probably more.
[21:32] <debfx> ok, let's hope it doesn't make things worse
[21:33] <debfx> ScottK, Riddell: oxygen gtk3 is in the NEW queue in case you have some time to review it
[21:52] <apachelogger> yofel: my problem with xsettings is that it is xsettings
[21:53] <apachelogger> now what if we switch to wayland
[21:56] <yofel> well, problem is that gnome really doesn't care about how well gtk is configurable outside of gnome
[21:57] <yofel> they provided an ini file and think it's sufficient
[22:07] <apachelogger> yofel: why is it not?
[22:07] <apachelogger> we could always haxx0r the GTK ^^
[22:07] <yofel> well, feel free to add GTK3_RC_FILES. I'm not good enough at C for that
[22:07] <apachelogger> env var?
[22:08] <apachelogger> I was more thinking along sane KDE integration :P
[22:08] <apachelogger> envrionment is weird anyway
[22:08] <yofel> well, true
[22:08] <apachelogger> yofel: but really, why do we need that env var anyway?
[22:08] <apachelogger> like why do we not change the ini?
[22:09] <yofel> dunno. I mean I'm fine with the ini file. But that'll potentially mess with other dektop environments which we haven't done till now
[22:09] <yofel> I haven't had time to test this enough yet
[22:09] <apachelogger> well
[22:09] <apachelogger> does one not have to do the same thing when Qt should use the GTK compatibiltiy theme engine thing?
[22:10] <yofel> the ini file would be less messy than xsettings IMO, but will require a bit of a kcm-gtk rewrite
[22:11] <apachelogger> QString QGuiPlatformPlugin::styleName()
[22:11] <apachelogger> oh
[22:11] <apachelogger> perhaps Qt actually autoswitches to GTK style in a gnome session
[22:11] <apachelogger> smart
[22:11]  * apachelogger actually thought of a similar technique for GTK
[22:12] <yofel> well, Qt does it properly. Gtk does not -.-
[22:12] <apachelogger> well, that would not be too difficult
[22:13] <apachelogger> getenv("DESKTOP_SESSION") ... strcmp(,"KDE") ... read ~/.kgtkrc ... set theme engine accordingly
[22:14] <apachelogger> just need to find the right spot in GTK to do it
[22:14] <apachelogger> for which I have no motivation
[22:14] <apachelogger> someone find a gtk fanboi to implement my supreme algorithm :P
[22:24] <apachelogger> oh my this code is scary
[22:59] <amichair> afiestas: you've offered to help with bug 289760 ? I'm having it since I upgraded to kde 4.8. What info do u need?
[22:59] <amichair> oops... that is, http://bugs.kde.org/289760
[23:49] <afiestas> amichair_: yes !
[23:49] <afiestas> would be awesome if we can debug it, I tried to reproduce in 3 computes with 3 different environments and gpu and I couldnt :/
[23:54] <yofel> note: works fine here (T510 - nvidia quadro nvs 3100m)
[23:54] <yofel> (powerdevil)
[23:55] <yofel> precise
[23:59] <yofel> same on my eeePC (intel 945GME, precise)