[00:00] <bastidrazor> !logs > fremen_
[00:00] <roothorick> Success: fglrx is a hot mess. I'd try getting the latest DRI first.
[00:00] <roothorick> of course, I'm not totally sure on the easiest way to do that with ubuntu
[00:00] <Success> whats dri
[00:01] <Success> i installed fglrx now
[00:02] <hylian> bbbbbbbb: your drive isn't listed anywhere in fstab? can you pastebin your fstab here? http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[00:02] <fremen_> bastidrazor : is there a quick search function for a user name ? or do i have to check all of the logs myself ?
[00:02] <bbbbbbbb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/679287/
[00:03] <xangua> fremen_: contro+f on your favorite browser
[00:03] <roothorick> Success: well, if you want to go that route, give it a reboot, it should switch as it boots next
[00:03] <Success> wait what
[00:04] <Success> what was the other thing you said
[00:04] <Success> how do i change to that
[00:04] <Viking667> quick question about nautilus - how do I make Ubuntu NOT show me the files on my desktop on startup? (Ubuntu classic theme)
[00:04] <Success> and when i do will i get webgl?
[00:04] <bastidrazor> fremen_: you could download the txt file then open it with an editor and search that way.
[00:04] <roothorick> Success: if your Firefox is new enough you should have limited webgl support right now
[00:04] <Success> im chrome
[00:04] <Linda> http://imagebin.org/170484 audio is wrong,something is not going well
[00:05] <Success> 13.0.782.112
[00:05] <roothorick> Success: I don't know about chrome, sorry. Though a new enough version *should* have some support
[00:05] <Success> firefox is kind of icky
[00:05] <fremen_> xangua: i know that :), but what i mean is that; searching all of the agust logs for my name
[00:05] <xangua> Viking667: there is a value in gconf-editor to modufy that
[00:05] <hylian> bbbbbbbb: you win... how can anyone use a cd drive without it being in fstab first, do you have to mount it everytime?
[00:05] <Linda> i cant explain because i dont know what happend,,it just stop
[00:05] <roothorick> Success: let's not start that here ;)
[00:05] <Success> ok
[00:05] <xangua> apps-nautilus-something :S Viking667 ;)
[00:05] <Viking667> xangua: thanks
[00:06] <xangua> fremen_: well if you don't remember the days you were here, yes
[00:06] <hylian> bbbbbbbb: did you install that dvd drive after installing ubuntu?
[00:06] <bbbbbbbb> hylian: no, it just works - i have no idea how. it was in there all along
[00:06] <bbbbbbbb> never installed anything
[00:07] <roothorick> Success: I'm curious, what do you want webgl for?
[00:07] <Viking667> xangua: found it.   Thanks for that.
[00:07] <hylian> bbbbbbbb: , ok please pastebin what sudo blkid says, after running it in terminal.
[00:08] <hylian> bbbbbbbb: wait, i don't think blkid shows dvd devices.
[00:08] <Success> i dont ike ppl telling me im not supported lol and the stuff looks cool
[00:08] <bbbbbbbb> exactly
[00:08] <roothorick> Success: you have an example?
[00:08] <ActionParsnip> bbbbbbbb: sudo lshw -C disk; sudo lshw -C drive      will
[00:09] <fremen_> xangua: ok then, but there is another problem, there are two files named #ubuntu.txt and #ubuntu.html on any day, one at the top and the other at the bottom, which one is this channel ?
[00:09] <bbbbbbbb> ActionParsnip: yeah
[00:09] <chalcedony> llhull@llhull:~$ jockey-text -l
[00:09] <chalcedony> Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".
[00:10] <Myrtti> fremen_: both. they are just in different format.
[00:10] <Success> http://playwebgl.com/games/o3d-webgl-pool/
[00:10] <bbbbbbbb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/679292/
[00:10] <xangua> fremen_: bot, one is pretty and the other is not
[00:10] <xangua> both
[00:10] <chalcedony> ActionParsnip, i'm not sure what's broken but it's still not fixed
[00:11] <Myrtti> fremen_: google indexes the logs btw, do an advaced search for your nick...
[00:11] <roothorick> Success: works here... but I've got a GeForce running the official drivers so it should
[00:11] <Success> Your browser does not appear to support WebGL.
[00:11] <Success> thats what i get
[00:11] <hylian> bbbbbbbb: ok this will dump a lot of info, but atleast one of those will be the mnt or dev address for your cdrom: sudo lshw -C disk
[00:12] <roothorick> Success: odd you'd get that specific error
[00:12] <bbbbbbbb> hylian: just did this, see my paste
[00:12] <fremen_> xangua: ok thanks, my mistake, thought lubuntu was ubuntu also :)
[00:12] <Success> Google body-Google Body uses WebGL, a new standard for 3D on the Web. Your browser supports WebGL, but WebGL is not initializing properly.
[00:12] <fremen_> Myrtti: how can i do that ?
[00:12] <Success> http://bodybrowser.googlelabs.com/
[00:12] <hylian> bbbbbbbb: what's your paste address?
[00:12] <chalcedony> i'm really sort of desperate - my screen is hard to read
[00:12] <bbbbbbbb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/679292/
[00:13] <roothorick> Success: yeah, it's not initializing properly because your driver has limited support
[00:14] <bbbbbbbb> but my desktop has configured /media/D4EE-AF16 as the mount point and this works every time. here i only see the /media/DISKNAME
[00:15] <Success> g2g bye ty
[00:15] <Myrtti> fremen_: Im not on my computer so I cant really give a good answer, but try "site:irclogs.ubuntu.com inurl:2011 fremen_" without the quotes
[00:16] <hylian> bbbbbbbb: ok so again at this location http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=77876 you would replace /mnt/drive with /media/EN_102900, and then the /dev/ section below would be /dev/cdrom. if the /dev/cdrom doesn't work, i would try one of the others, but it should.
[00:16] <bbbbbbbb> hylian: but EN_102900 is the diskname
[00:17] <jetscreamer> D4EE-AF16 would be the uuid
[00:17] <jetscreamer> windows
[00:17] <jetscreamer> weird
[00:18] <fremen_> Myrtti: i found a good solution for this, i just change the day at url to go next days log :), like this "http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/08/""05""/%23ubuntu.html"
[00:18] <bbbbbbbb> jetscreamer: in the wine config
[00:20] <hylian> jetscreamer: he is trying to get wine to recognize his dvd rom. It's functional for ubuntu, but wine doesn't see it.
[00:20] <jetscreamer> ah
[00:21] <hylian> bbbbbbbb: yes, but it is also listed, thanks to your laste paste, as the media directory for the drive itself. i don't make this stuff up, i just read it off your paste..
[00:21] <bbbbbbbb> yep
[00:21] <bbbbbbbb> but it would only work for this disk
[00:21] <Linda> how can i restore my sound controller back to normal,,it stop working
[00:22] <Linda> the pannel controler is acting up,i got sounds but i cant down or raise my volumen
[00:23] <elpata> hello
[00:23] <lahwran> where might I find a greyscale version of the humanity theme?
[00:23] <elpata> I'm using Natty
[00:24] <tony_> on gnome look
[00:24] <tony_> at
[00:24] <elpata> when will Libreoffice PPA be updated to 3.4?
[00:25] <ActionParsnip> lahwran: possibly www.gnome-look.org
[00:25] <tony_> ok dont ask me
[00:25] <hylian> bbbbbbbb: maybe i didn't get what you are trying to do. by symlinking the dvdrom, wine will have a symlink to follow, hopefully recognizing the dvd rom. (we also have to update the wine config.)
[00:25] <byerley> hi, how can I find where the executable for a command resides? I'm trying to find an absolute path for 'source', but whereis just gives me the man pages. It's hard to search for and I'd rather not pick apart my paths.
[00:26] <bastidrazor> byerley: which commandname
[00:26] <tony_> http://gnome-look.org/
[00:26] <byerley> bastidrazor: source
[00:26] <ActionParsnip> elpata: could just use: http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/stable/3.3.4/deb/x86/LibO_3.3.4_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz    and install manually
[00:26] <ActionParsnip> oops#
[00:26] <bbbbbbbb> hylian: how do i update the wine config? i can create the symlink in wine config and click apply, isnt that enough?
[00:26] <bastidrazor> byerley: "which" is the command .. which source
[00:27] <ActionParsnip> http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/stable/3.4.3/deb/x86/LibO_3.4.3_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz   elpata
[00:27] <tony_> o u beat me at it
[00:27] <tony_> :P
[00:28] <Linda> i can only raise volumen using alsamixer GUI tool,not the pannel,,is not working
[00:29] <byerley> bastidrazor: "which: no source in...", command itself works fine from a fresh shell, but won't work in a makefile. I'm thoroughly confused now
[00:29] <bbbbbbbb> hylian: so if i put in /media/EN_102900 it works perfectly with any dvd called EN_102900 - others dont.
[00:29] <Linda> and when i click on preferences it just stay on a little pop up message saying,,,waiting for sound system to respond
[00:30] <hylian> bbbbbbbb: right first you create the symlink, but it has to be in the ~/.wine/dosdevices/ folder named d.. and d. (you know windows) and then you have to update the wine config... and then cross your fingers. (i'm kidding)
[00:30] <urlin2u> Linda, have you looked in sound prefrences  with a right click on the sound icon
[00:30] <ActionParsnip> Linda: what is the output of: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && bash ./alsa-info.sh
[00:30] <hylian> bbbbbbbb: unfortunately so, this fix will only work for that device.
[00:30] <urlin2u> Linda, I guess you answrewd that sorry
[00:31] <bbbbbbbb> hylian: but how do i get a general mountpoint with that UUID like i have on my desktop?
[00:31] <hylian> bbbbbbbb: the other option would be to creats symlinks for every other device, but, i was under the assumption that only your dvd rom was not being seen.
[00:31] <bbbbbbbb> putting in /dev/dvd or others doesnt work
[00:31] <poppler> hello there
[00:32] <bungholio> poppler: hello.
[00:32] <elpata> thanks ActionParsnip
[00:33] <hylian> bbbbbbbb: i really don't know. the way i usually do it is by stealing it from some source, but none of the apps i researched have ever given me a uuid for a dvd/cd rom. perhaps it's only for fixed disks? i don't know, or i should say maybe it's only for hard drives and usb drives...??
[00:33] <poppler> I tried a live of ubuntu 11.10 and the nouveau drivers worked seamlessly with nice 3d acceleration... in 11.04 I had to install proprietary drivers. How can I get in 11.04 the same result of the 11.10 live? what am I missing now that is in 11.10?
[00:33] <ActionParsnip> elpata: np, whats so vital in the new version, to you?
[00:33] <ActionParsnip> poppler: i'm exactly the same. The latest nouvea rocks
[00:34] <Linda> urlin2u:) well i got from that command = ALSA Information Script v 0.4.60 and http://imagebin.org/170490
[00:34] <poppler> ActionParsnip: so you say, we just need to update the nouveau driver? that's ti?
[00:34] <omnimoon> evening all
[00:34] <ActionParsnip> Linda: select to upload to the server, what is the URL made?
[00:34] <poppler> ActionParsnip: or something more's needed?
[00:35] <ActionParsnip> poppler: not sure at all, sorry
[00:35] <poppler> ActionParsnip: I've heard of something called "gallium3D" ... not sure how that comes into play
[00:35] <omnimoon> any able to get ubuntu on an hp touchpad? and could help me out
[00:35] <ActionParsnip> poppler: apparently kwni + nouveau performs slightly better then Compiz + nouveau  so I've got KDE on my media system now
[00:35] <elpata> ActionParsnip: lo-menubar doesn't show window menu
[00:36] <Linda> ActionParsnip:) im on it buddy,is uploading
[00:36] <poppler> ActionParsnip: ah I see... but I'm coming from kde, and wanted to give unity a try, so that's out for me
[00:36] <ActionParsnip> poppler: http://wiki.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/gallium
[00:36] <poppler> thanks
[00:36] <poppler> I'll have a look
[00:37] <etfb> I want to set up my home wireless router so I can refer to all the computers at home by name, via DNS.  Can anyone point me to some tutorials or explanations on how to do that?
[00:37] <Linda> ActionParsnip:) http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=c758c9e73dbf1e5409206ba3cb8fc81977c3e229
[00:37] <macbookair> how do i install ubuntu 11.04 onto my macbook air
[00:37] <poppler> ActionParsnip: yes ok, that's a 3d architecture, but how does that play with nouveau? Is it another package to be installed or the new nouveau simply implements the thing?
[00:38] <ActionParsnip> Linda: run the big lucid command here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[00:38] <poppler> i don't get it
[00:38] <hylian> do cd/dvd drives have a uuid, i have never seen a uuid for one.,
[00:38] <ActionParsnip> poppler: i guess nouveau implements it, or has that implemented in it
[00:38] <ActionParsnip> poppler: me neither
[00:38] <poppler> ah I see
[00:38] <poppler> okok
[00:39] <Linda> ActionParsnip:) coul that be installing the latest nVidia driver instead od the recomender vertion ?
[00:39] <urlin2u> macbookair, you will have to search the web not many here if at all run this http://www.infogenra.com/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-on-your-hp-touchpad.html
[00:39] <poppler> ActionParsnip: I'll try installing the same version of nouveau drivers which is in 11.10 live and see how it goes
[00:39] <ActionParsnip> Linda: its at least Alsa 1.0.23 which may help
[00:39] <poppler> ActionParsnip: you mean nouveau latest driver?
[00:39] <hylian> bbbbbbbb: yeah, i don't think uuid's are used for cd/dvd drives. i have to admit, i'd rather use a uuid than the old method. must be a reason why
[00:39] <ActionParsnip> poppler: Linda is having sound issues....
[00:40] <poppler> ah ok, got mixed up
[00:40] <bungholio> anyone ever come across this issue? - with firefox sometimes when i fast forward the video, the video speeds up...
[00:40] <ActionParsnip> poppler: ;)
[00:40] <chris215> hey
[00:40] <bbbbbbbb> hylian: but it works great on my desktop ... gonna try now
[00:40] <poppler> I'm using emphaty to get in IRC, not straightforward at all XD
[00:40] <ActionParsnip> bungholio: can you give a pastebin of the output of:  lsb_release -a; uname -a; dpkg -l | egrep "flash|gnash|swf"
[00:41] <chris215> is there a way i can change my pointer to black, not just in firefox?  bc in the appearence preferences when i change it from default to dmz black its only changed in firefox, restart or not
[00:42] <ActionParsnip> chris215: hmm, usualy a log off and on is all that's needed. I've seen it in Lubuntu, where the theme only appys in some places. The log off usually makes it ok
[00:42] <Scunizi> Scripting help... I've got a long ghostscript command I use on PDF's to make them smaller.  I need to do this on all the file in a directory I happen to be in.  Once the script is written I'd like to invoke it from ~.bash_aliases using a short cut.. any takers to help build the script? We can move channels if need be.
[00:42] <bungholio> ActionParsnip: http://pastebin.com/3w5sDyjp
[00:43] <poppler> bye guys, thanks for all
[00:43] <chris215> ActionParsnip: maybe its just me then...  my computer has ubuntu lucid and mint 11 and in both its the same thing and always like that in ubuntu
[00:43] <ActionParsnip> bungholio: sec, I'll get you a command
[00:43] <chris215> though maybe since the updates?
[00:44] <chris215> ill give it a shot logging out and in right now
[00:44] <chris215> from ubuntu
[00:44] <hylian> i'm hungry, see y'all later
[00:45] <ActionParsnip> bungholio: http://pastebin.com/cTJFeALH   64bit flash for a 64bit Ubuntu :)
[00:45] <dude> is thaat prelink thingy making ubuntu faster?
[00:46] <bungholio> ActionParsnip: thanks so much
[00:46] <bbbbbbbb> so. does anyone know how i find the UUID of my DVD drive that is not listed in fstab?
[00:46] <Dr_Willis> dude:  it helps.. :)
[00:46] <Dr_Willis> !uuid
[00:46] <Dr_Willis> bbbbbbbb:  i dont think optical disks have a uuid..
[00:46] <Dr_Willis> bbbbbbbb:  it would be /dev/sr0 or sr0 or /dev/dvd or similer.
[00:47] <ActionParsnip> dude: I know of preload
[00:48] <chris215> still a black pointer
[00:49] <bbbbbbbb> Dr_Willis: well, my desktops dvd drive has a uuid and works with wine - my notebooks dvd drive hasnt one and i cant use it with wine. on the desktop i can use /media/$UUID - here i can only try /dev/dvd (doesnt work) or /media/DISKNAME which i had to change with every new disk
[00:49] <chris215> after both logout and in and then restart
[00:49] <chris215> lol
[00:49] <ArcadeDawg> Is there any chance changing the scrollbars back on Ubuntu 11.04 classic :P
[00:49] <dooglus> what's the recommended way to have ubuntu 11.04 do automatic security updates?
[00:50] <ActionParsnip> !info apt-cron
[00:50] <ActionParsnip> gah
[00:51] <chris215> ActionParsnip: still have a white pointer...  except for like hovering over things
[00:51] <dooglus> ArcadeDawg: sudo apt-get remove overlay-scrollbar
[00:51] <Dr_Willis> bbbbbbbb:  if you mount the thing to some location. you can set wine to access that same location. i imagine.    but i rarely use wine with optical disks these days.
[00:51] <Scunizi> bbbbbbbb, you might be able to get away with creating /media/dvd then mounting /dev/sr0 to it..
[00:51] <chris215> is there another place where you can change your pointer besides apearence pref and customizing your theme?
[00:51] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: http://www.builderau.com.au/program/linux/soa/Automatically-update-your-Ubuntu-system-with-cron-apt/0,339028299,339279542,00.htm
[00:51] <dooglus> in general, how do I see the 'preferences' menu in 11.04?
[00:51] <urlin2u> ArcadeDawg,  on this page is a tweak http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/things-to-tweak-fix-after-installing.html
[00:52] <nsd_> Anyone know of a good calendar app for Linux? There's a Mozilla-developed plugin for Thunderbird, but I'd prefer a stand-alone application, and then there apparently was a standalone version, but it has been disbanded (?)...
[00:52] <dooglus> ActionParsnip: thanks
[00:52] <Scunizi> nsd_, the plugin for thunderbird is available as a stand a lone.. sunbird
[00:52] <chris215> nsd_: have you tried evolution?
[00:52] <urlin2u> ArcadeDawg, which is the command dooglus  gave
[00:53] <bbbbbbbb> scunizi: sounds good, how? ^^
[00:53] <nsd_> chris215: I have, but I have never used the calendar. As I said before, I think I might like a standalone app (especially if I decide to switch mail clients)
[00:53] <chris215> i see...  because i just use my google calender from right in the web
[00:54] <nsd_> Scunizi: Yeah, but apparently it's been disbanded or something? http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/ recommends not using it for some reason.
[00:54] <chris215> nsd_: same with gmail
[00:54] <Scunizi> bbbbbbbb, I think it's in the repos.. if not you could get it direct.. perhaps having to compile it. Also search for calendar in synaptic or your package manager of choice
[00:54] <cornell> Hi.  My old box was dying, bought a new one.  I copied the old disk to a new one and put Ubuntu 10.04.3 on the old and mount the new as /home.  One thing I neglected was a list of software that I'd installed with Synaptic.
[00:54] <nsd_> chris215: I'm not sure I know what you mean by that
[00:54] <Scunizi> nsd_, didn't know that.. I always use it in conjunction with thunderbird
[00:54] <cornell> Is there a way to get a list of installed software, is there a data file with that in it, plain text?
[00:55] <nsd_> cornell: You may be able to chroot into the old system, and use dpkg --get-selections once in
[00:55] <bbbbbbbb> Scunizi: i think you have me confused - "creating /media/dvd then mounting /dev/sr0 to it.." was my question :)
[00:55] <nsd_> cornell: That'll give you a textual list
[00:55] <Neoncamouflage> Where might I find the sound device location in Ubuntu 10.10? I was told to check /dev/dsp and /dev/sound/dsp. I have neither of those.
[00:56] <nsd_> cornell: It requires a bit of doing, but the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#ChRoot describes how to chroot into another partition
[00:57] <cornell> Thanks nsd, but...  The old system is gone.  The data is copied to another disk.
[00:57] <cornell> Or am I not understanding.
[00:57] <nsd_> cornell: I understand
[00:58] <nsd_> cornell: On the new system, you use chroot to be able to run commands in the environment provided by the old system's harddrive (now on /home, like you said), so that you can run dpkg --get-selections to get a list of installed packages
[00:58] <cornell> The OS had been on its own 15 gig partition, which is now in its own directory buried in my /home
[00:58] <nsd_> cornell: Then un-chroot back to your old system and use that list to install those packages
[00:58] <cornell> Ah
[00:58] <Scunizi> bbbbbbbb, sorry.. I missed that in the beginning.. I'm sitting here multi-tasking with work
[00:58] <nsd_> cornell: Just replace the grub reinstallation steps with dpkg --get-selections in that guide I linked to you
[00:58] <nsd_> cornell: And replace /mnt with /home
[00:59] <bbbbbbbb> Scunizi: no problem - but how do i mount /dev/sr0 to /media/dvd
[00:59] <nsd_> cornell: I really don't know if there's a simpler way than that
[00:59] <blakkheim> W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:59] <Scunizi> bbbbbbbb, sudo mkdir /media/dvd > sudo mount /dev/sr0 /media/dvd
[01:00] <Scunizi> bbbbbbbb, the ">" isn't used in the command..
[01:00] <bbbbbbbb> right
[01:00] <bbbbbbbb> thanks
[01:00] <Scunizi> bbbbbbbb, hope it works
[01:01] <nsd_> cornell: Oh, and you don't have to be running off of a live CD
[01:01] <nsd_> cornell: I forgot to mention that, just run the version of ubuntu on the new system
[01:01] <Scunizi> I just found that I had 6 kernels installed.. not leaving much room in /.. eliminated 4
[01:01] <cornell> Right, many of the steps seem unnecessary, as I have a running system with all disks mounted.
[01:03] <nsd_> cornell: So for you, do this: for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done; sudo chroot /mnt; sudo dpkg --get-selections > installed_packages.txt
[01:03] <hid> hi, how can I install the new version of epiphany on terminal ?
[01:03] <nsd_> cornell: Then press Ctrl-D and do this: for i in /sys /proc /dev/pts /dev; do sudo umount /mnt$i; done
[01:03] <hid> I dont understand the documentation
[01:03] <bbbbbbbb> Scunizi: "mount: block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only"
[01:03] <Linda> my volume controller in pannel is not working at all,i click on preferences and i get a pup ip little windows telling,,waiting for sound system to respond
[01:04] <nsd_> hid: Do you mean from source?
[01:04] <hid> nsd_; yeah here  http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/Downloads
[01:04] <bungholio> anyone know the command to look in other drives ie- USB? i can't find the command in google /sigh
[01:04] <BarBlitz> someone please test my http -> http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[01:05] <hid> epipahny webkit version
[01:05] <bungholio> BarBlitz: Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at <IP_ADDRESS>.
[01:05] <cornell> mmm, I was thinking just sudo chroot /home/oldOS
[01:05] <cornell> Or do I have to do the for i in etc. after chroot'ing?
[01:05] <BarBlitz> oh, darnit
[01:06] <Scunizi> bbbbbbbb, humm... not an issue if you're not going to write to it.. the other way of mounting it is through the fstab file.. try "man mount" to see if you can add parameters to the mount command giving r/w rights
[01:06] <nsd_> cornell: You do the for blah blah blah thing first, then chroot, then run hte command. Also, I forgot to change /mnt to /home in your case
[01:06] <nsd_> *the
[01:06] <bbbbbbbb> Scunizi: wait it was mounted
[01:07] <nsd_> hid: Did you download a stable or unstable copy of the code? I would recommend the former. Or, did you not even get that far?
[01:07] <Scunizi> bbbbbbbb, yes it was .. but you won't be able to write to it.. that's what the error said.
[01:07] <bbbbbbbb> do i need to unmount it first?
[01:07] <cornell> ok, nsd_, the for i etc will mask the existing ... mounts? /sys /proc etc.
[01:07] <bungholio> how to i access another mount on my Hard Drive with Command?
[01:08] <qin> cd /media && ls -l *
[01:08] <qin> bungholio: ^^
[01:08] <cornell> Then chroot, then I'm effectively running the old OS.  do the dpkg. and then do the second for i, which will unmask them.
[01:08] <cornell> I think I understand, nsd_
[01:08] <nsd_> The for loop is equivalent to typing this: "sudo mount -B /dev /home/dev; sudo mount -B /dev/pts /home/dev/pts; sudo mount -B /proc /home/proc; sudo mount -B /sys /home/sys"
[01:08] <Scunizi> bbbbbbbb, unmount it to do what?  write to it? probably .. sudo umount /media/dvd
[01:09] <hid> nsd_: I didn't download the unstable version yet. I on the 2.30 now (former version)
[01:09] <hid> I'm on*
[01:10] <Marta> how can i reset alsa sound system to defaults
[01:10] <bbbbbbbb> Scunizi: no. wasnt mounted
[01:10] <nsd_> hid: I would recommend downloading the stable version if you really must use the bleeding edge, then look to see if there's an "INSTALL" file in the downloaded source archive, then follow it's instructions. You'll probably have to install some development header packages, then run something like "./configure && make && sudo make install"
[01:10] <Marta> my volumen applet in pannel is not working
[01:11] <BarBlitz> ok, sorry I made it listen on my IP, now please try again
[01:11] <Haematoma> What is the purpose of associating files with a file descriptor?
[01:11] <BarBlitz> YES!, its working, yay!
[01:12] <Haematoma> F.E. "exec 4>fd4.out"
[01:12] <BarBlitz> Thanks :)
[01:13] <newb> Hi, how do i check my dvd region in command line
[01:13] <snfo> Haematoma, I guess to assist with identifying files at the lowest levels
[01:14] <snfo> Haematoma, cause everything else file-related at higher levels is basically built upon FD's
[01:14] <BarBlitz> this is sorta done -> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:80/files_os_slack.php
[01:14] <sabrion> Okay.... I'm back. Anyone able to help with enabling a Dell Inspiron 1501 wifi key/light/interface?
[01:15] <snfo> Haematoma, and networking too
[01:15] <Haematoma> so after association could I redirect output to said by issuing a command like "ls >> 4"
[01:15] <Haematoma> to said document*
[01:16] <cornell> nsd_,  Ok, unfortunately, when I did the copy, it used the made up name, so this is going to be messy...  It's actually in /home/oldJasmine/oldStuff15Gig/702869ec-2fcd-4848-bbd0-719cd4f80396
[01:16] <snfo> Haematoma, no that would just create a text file named '4' and put the output of `ls' in it
[01:16] <cornell> nsd_:  So the first step is:
[01:16] <cornell> for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys; do sudo mount -B $i /home/oldJasmine/oldStuff15Gig/702869ec-2fcd-4848-bbd0-719cd4f80396$i; done; sudo chroot /home/oldJasmine/oldStuff15Gig/702869ec-2fcd-4848-bbd0-719cd4f80396; sudo dpkg --get-selections > /home/myusername/installed_packages.txt
[01:16] <cornell> The second step is:
[01:16] <cornell> Ctrl-D
[01:16] <cornell> for i in /sys /proc /dev/pts /dev; do sudo umount /mnt$i; done
[01:16] <FloodBot1> cornell: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:16] <sabrion> At least this time I was able to keep the wired working...
[01:16] <cornell> oops
[01:16] <Haematoma> snfo,  I seem to be missing the point of a file descriptor :(
[01:16] <nsd_> cornell: I think that should work
[01:17] <BarBlitz> ok, I'm turning it off, Thanks again =)
[01:17] <nsd_> cornell: Don't forget to reverse the process when you're done
[01:17] <Marta> Hey,,,sounds issues here,,my pannel volume control is not woeking,,,but i have audio
[01:17] <Haematoma> snfo,  I know file descriptors 0, 1, 2 , can be used to choose which form of input/output gets redirected, but I don't know what #'s 3-N do
[01:17] <cornell> That look right, nsd_... good cool, I'll give it a try.  Now, I'm doing this after sudo su.  And I assume that if there's a problem, rebooting will make all things right again.
[01:18] <Striker3070> can someone tell me the command line to shutdown ubuntu?   do i need to get down to single user mode b4 issuing cmd.
[01:18] <bbbbbbbb> well, i guess i can live without optical drives in wine. thx everyone
[01:18] <bbbbbbbb> bye
[01:18] <angel56> Striker3070: shutdown
[01:18] <sabrion> Striker3070, Shutdown -k 0
[01:18] <nsd_> cornell: I believe so.
[01:18] <yaaase> Hey, quick question - just installed xmonad in ubuntu and realized I don't know how to open a couple of things from the terminal (and dmenu seems not to like them) - what is the graphical volume control called from the terminal?  Also, if possible, the NetworkManager (which opens automatically, but remains hidden)
[01:18] <ActionParsnip> Striker3070: sudo shutdown -h now    is another way
[01:18] <newb> Ok im in europe and my region is set to 2 but the dvd wont play only the intial universal 20 sec intro why?
[01:18] <bungholio> ActionParsnip: beat me too it!
[01:18] <Striker3070> sabrion/ 0 is now, what is -k
[01:18] <snfo> Haematoma, I understand what you mean. Their basically used in low-level system calls and sockets for networking. If you create a new file 'test.txt', way down in the low-level stuff it has a FD (somewhere between 3-N)
[01:19] <Dr_Willis> yaaase:  alsamixer or alsa-mixer or somting like that is a curses based volume control tool
[01:19] <bungholio> Striker3070: sudo reboot also works *if you want to reboot.
[01:19] <sabrion> Striker3070, Not quite certain... lol... leftover training from an ancient linux class. Heh...
[01:19] <somsip> yaaase: I had this in Awesome WM with other software. Open software-centre and find the package. The binary names are listed in there.
[01:19] <Haematoma> snfo,  is there anyway I can tell what a file's default descriptor is?
[01:19] <Striker3070> ActionParsnip > so don't need to get to single user mode first, just shutdown.  cool th
[01:19] <Striker3070> thx
[01:20] <sabrion> Striker3070, ignore the -k... that's useless for what you're wanting.
[01:20] <sabrion> Striker3070, it means send warnings, don't shutdown.
[01:20] <Striker3070> sabropn > thx
[01:21] <ActionParsnip> Striker3070: yeah, just fire it in a terminal, the rest is handled for you
[01:21] <snfo> Haematoma, I'm honestly not sure man. On the command line their really only useful when working with 0, 1, and 2 to be honest. Anything else can just be referenced by it's name.
[01:21] <Arcademan> ty doug :) it seems to work :)
[01:21] <yaaase> Dr_Willis / somsip: thanks!
[01:21] <sabrion> ActionParsnip, I'm back. I tried the website, and now I'm on the dell with wired, etc, etc. However wireless is still a no go. However, the buttons (hotkeys what have you) aren't working...
[01:21] <sabrion> ActionParsnip, So I can't enable the wireless device.
[01:22] <sgo11> hi, using ubuntu 11.04. everytime reboot, I have to set my resolution manually to the correct one. how to fix this? nvidia card. there is no xorg.conf. I tried to remove ~/.nvidia-settings-rc which doesn't help. The story: The correct resolution is 1280x800. I used a projector before. At that time, I setup twinview in nvidia-settings and set it to 1024x768. after this point, verytime reboot, it uses 1024x768 by default.
[01:22] <snfo> Haematoma, now in C and/or C++, they are what's underneath the FILE struct and the sockets API.
[01:22] <snfo> Haematoma, that's where they're mainly useful I guess is all I'm saying.
[01:22] <sgo11> the resolution was OK before I used the projector.
[01:22] <Haematoma> snfo,  gotcha - maybe they are handled differently in BASH?
[01:23] <cornell> Cool, nsd_  worked like a champ!!!  Now, the list is ALL installed packages, so I just go through Synaptic and any on the list that aren't already installed, I install.
[01:23] <fr0sted> hi i cant seem to get spotify to run using wine, it just stops working
[01:24] <battlehands> What is the hotkey to switch between workspaces?
[01:24] <Haematoma> snfo,  reason I ask is because I'm going through a shell programming book at the moment, and the author very briefly goes over assoc. files w/file descriptors and neglects to give a example
[01:24] <guerrero> hello
[01:24] <sabrion> battlehands, ctrl alt direction
[01:24] <nsd_> cornell: Yes. You can also do the same command on your new system, and with some regular expression / command line magic get a list of only the programs not installed on the new system.
[01:24] <Haematoma> snfo,  but thanks for explaining
[01:24] <sabrion> battlehands, such as up down left, right, etc.
[01:24] <cornell> Actually, I can do the same... I was going to say that.
[01:24] <battlehands> sabrion, can I move programs that are already open to another workspace?
[01:25] <sgo11> batrick, ctrl+shift+direction
[01:25] <snfo> Haematoma, I see. I don't believe bash handles them any diff though honestly. They're what's underneath all the "abstract" stuff like file names and directories basically.
[01:25] <sabrion> battlehands, rightclick on the title bar... should show option "move to workspace #"
[01:25] <sgo11> batrick, ctrl+alt+shift+direction
[01:25] <cornell> Though my magic's not good, I was going to put both lists in a spreadsheet and do it manually.
[01:25] <snfo> Haematoma, if you catch my drift.
[01:25] <sgo11> battlehands,  ctrl+alt+shift+direction
[01:25] <jaequery> anyone got openvz working for ubuntu?
[01:25] <sabrion> sgoll you don't need shift.
[01:26] <battlehands> sabrion, sgoll, thanks
[01:26] <jaequery> whats the best way to virtualize your servers, these days .... last time i did so was 3 years back when xen/openvz was all the shiz
[01:26] <sgo11> sabrion, shift for moving the the window
[01:26] <nsd_> cornell: Well, either way, good luck
[01:26] <sabrion> sgoll oh... cool.
[01:26] <imadper> How to change file between the two computer when I using
[01:26] <imadper> 	  remote-desktop?
 I use xp to visit my ubuntu.
 And why i can't input chinese in Emacs when i use remote-desktop?
[01:26]  * cornell really needs to learn regular expression / command line magic
[01:27]  * cornell still has no google-fu
[01:27] <sgo11> anyone has any ideas on my resolution problem
[01:27] <test34> Using the encrypted swap feature overwrote one of my data partitions... At install the swap partition was /dev/sdb4... but when I rebooted it switched to /dev/sda4... and /etc/crypttab doesn't use the UUID..
[01:28] <imadper> Help~ How to exchange file when I using remote-desktop in win to visit my ubuntu?
[01:28] <Dice-Man> hello
[01:28] <Dice-Man> i want to make a clean install of gstreamer i'm on lucid
[01:28] <Dice-Man> when i ran gstreamer-properties i got errors like
[01:29] <Dice-Man> plugin unavailable blah blah
[01:29] <snfo> imadper, doesn't Windows have something like the SSH copy program (scp)? I think it's called WinSCP.
[01:29] <guerrero> hello.my internet is browsing mega slow?any one can help me fix that?
[01:30] <nsd_> cornell: Well, first off, I'd save a copy of each list (on the new and old systems) to a temporary directory (just so you don't lose them). Make them read-only, too. There's a command whose name escapes me that'll show common lines / lines in only one file / lines only in the other file that would probably do what you want.
[01:30] <Linda> http://imagebin.org/170497 , i need help having back volume control,it is not indicator
[01:30] <imadper> snfo: does putty has this function?
[01:30] <cornell> Well... nsd_
[01:30] <cornell> Both files are the same.
[01:30] <guerrero> can any one help me?
[01:30] <Arcademan> May I ask is there a driver for the Realtek 8211CL-VB yet :)
[01:30] <guerrero> pliz
[01:30] <Dice-Man> i think i ruined the default gstreamer installation when i wanted to install the new version of rythmbox
[01:31] <snfo> imadper, I'm not sure, I haven't used Putty enough to know.
[01:31] <snfo> imadper, I would say it does though.
[01:31] <guerrero> CAN ANY ONE HELP ME PLZ?
[01:31] <angel56> yelling helps
[01:31] <imadper> snfo: thx~ I found winssh
[01:32] <snfo> imadper, no problem
[01:32] <imadper> Linda: try to use alsamixer
[01:32] <ActionParsnip> guerrero: if you run: gksudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf     delete ALL text and add this line:   nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>      save the new file and close gedit, is it faster?
[01:32] <Arcademan> May I ask is there a driver for the Realtek 8211CL-VB via Natty?
[01:33] <ActionParsnip> guerrero: You can help yourself by having some patience too
[01:34] <Linda> madprops:) i install alsamixer,,boy why i have to use a program to control volumen,,it was working fine
[01:35] <Superstar>  Hello
[01:35] <ActionParsnip> Arcademan: if you run:  sudo dhclient eth0    does it get DHCP ?
[01:35] <nsd_> cornell: The command is comm.
[01:36] <Arcademan> Error getting interface... No such device :P
[01:36] <Linda> is the only isue i ever had with linux,never had a problem that i can resolve with a little help
[01:36] <cornell> nsd_, I think I've screwed it up...  the list contents, both of them, don't show some I know were on the old machine.
[01:36] <Arcademan> Error getting interface... No such device ActionParsnip
[01:36] <nsd_> Have you modified the old list?
[01:36] <Superstar> I plugged my microsdhc card into my computer and now it won't read on my phone or my computer. In disk utility it, under the card reader it says "no media detected"
[01:37] <Superstar> dmesg reports: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/679321/
[01:37] <nsd_> cornell: I can't explain why, but I've had dkpg seem to act oddly in doing similar such tasks, so it could also be to blame. If you can remember the package names, just mark them manually.
[01:37] <ActionParsnip> Linda: if you run:  alsamixer    is it all unmuted and cranked?
[01:37] <Superstar> So the card is being read - is there any way to fix this?
[01:37] <cornell> nsd_ the old machine was in service 6 years.  No, I can't remember all
[01:38] <nsd_> cornell: Did you modify the old list? Otherwise I don't know what to say -- that's just part of the pains in transitioning.
[01:38] <cornell> I ran just the first for i ... done;  There aren't any messages, I just get the prompt.
[01:38] <ActionParsnip> Superstar: if you run:  sudo fdisk -l   do you see the partition?
[01:38] <Linda> ActionParsnip:) i have audio,,it is just the volume controller from panel that does not work
[01:38] <ActionParsnip> Linda: I see, strange
[01:39] <nsd_> cornell: You mean just now you ran those to get another list?
[01:39] <cornell> Yes, but only the loop part.
[01:39] <Centurion2175> Hi everyone
[01:40] <hid> Where does this error come: "  configure: error: Your intltool is too old.  You need intltool 0.40.0 or later. "
[01:40] <hid> nsd_
[01:40] <cornell> I don't know if I hosed something... if I reboot, whatever I've done will go away, correct, nsd_?
[01:40] <bsmith093> what does this mean Reading package lists... Done W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:40] <nsd_> hid: Like it says, I guess you need a newer version. You'll just have to get a newer one.
[01:40] <Superstar> ActionParsnip: Negative. Could a low level format solve this by any chance?
[01:41] <nsd_> cornell: I believe so.
[01:41] <nsd_> cornell: Did you do the second for loop to umount?
[01:41] <nsd_> cornell: *unmount
[01:41] <cornell> Each attempt but the last.
[01:41] <ActionParsnip> Superstar: when you last finished with the device, what steps did you take to remove it?
[01:42] <bsmith093> anyone, how do i fix the bad key for the main ubuntu repos?
[01:42] <cornell> Going to reboot now
[01:42] <cornell> bbiab
[01:42] <Superstar> ActionParsnip: Safely remove drive
[01:42] <Dr_Willis> !lucid
[01:43] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Thers some factoid on fixing key issues.. what was it called...
[01:43] <Dr_Willis> !gpg
[01:43] <ActionParsnip> Superstar: good :). Makes a huuuge difference
[01:43] <hid> nsd_: but what is intltool? How to install it ?
[01:43] <Arcademan> ActionParsnip, it does not even show it via lspci either :P really odd :P
[01:43] <ActionParsnip> bsmith093: can you pastebinthe output of: sudo apt-get update
[01:44] <ActionParsnip> Arcademan: if you run:  sudo lshw -C network    does it show there?
[01:44] <ActionParsnip> Arcademan: is it usb based or interneal?
[01:44] <ActionParsnip> *internal
[01:44] <nsd_> hid: I don't know. Google is your friend. Likely, if a newer version isn't available in the package repositories, you'll have to build it from source as well.
[01:44] <nodex> hey people
[01:44] <ActionParsnip> Linda: could try the Oneiric live CD, see if it works there
[01:44] <ActionParsnip> hi nodex
[01:45] <Arcademan> ActionParsnip, it does show my wireless adapter it is internal built on the motherboard ;)
[01:45] <zhiwei> when I use apt-get update, it shows an error:W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/Release
[01:45] <Linda> ActionParsnip:) see if it work what buddy ?? my audio ?
[01:45] <zhiwei> but I can access this url
[01:45] <bsmith093> ActionParsnip: here http://pastebin.com/WtvzeLVE
[01:46] <Linda> i boot any live cd or dvd and audio controller from pannel work fine
[01:46] <Arcademan> ActionParsnip, It is an Asus M4N68TM_V2 with 8211CL-VB onboard it does not show it under networking :)
[01:46] <bsmith093> btw how do i get pastebinit to output this, because all it will give to pastebin, is reading databases, checking, and installing, literally thats all, three lines.
[01:47] <ActionParsnip> Arcademan: is the NIC enabled in BIOS?
[01:47] <nsd_> cornell: I have to go, so if you need more help you'll have to ask someone else, I'm afraid.
[01:48] <ActionParsnip> bsmith093: sudo apt-key adv --recv-key --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 40976EAF437D05B5
[01:48] <Arcademan> Yes ActionParsnip :P since it works in Windows :P
[01:48] <ActionParsnip> Linda: check the sound settings and selected audio device, make a note then compare to the installed OS
[01:49] <bsmith093> ActionParsnip: worked thanks :)
[01:49] <chalcedony> ActionParsnip, how do i tell what video my ubuntu is actually running?
[01:50] <ActionParsnip> chalcedony: sudo lshw -C display
[01:50] <chalcedony> oh thanks!
[01:50] <ActionParsnip> chalcedony: tells you chip and the driver
[01:50] <tony_>
[01:50] <tony_>
[01:50] <tony_>
[01:50] <tony_>
[01:50] <tony_>
[01:50] <FloodBot1> tony_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:50] <Linda> ActionParsnip:) i cant get to the options,,it just stay on a little pop up window thas says,,,waiting for sound system to respond
[01:51] <nodex> i quit win xp 4 linux this is awsome an i needed a python power house to make games with (^_^)
[01:51] <Arcademan> ty ActionParsnip my lan was disabled via BIOS
[01:52] <samsonowicz> can somebody explain to me how to open ports? i want to host a server in a game. i opened ports on my router, on the correct IP taken from ifconfig, according to this: http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/TP-Link/TD-W8901G/Doom_3.htm but still no go. i can actually connect to myself on localhost/<IP_ADDRESS> but not on my external ip address.
[01:52] <sam__> join #sct
[01:52] <Arcademan> Somehow I killed Mac on Board :P ty
[01:53] <ActionParsnip> Linda: not that icon, in the gnome menu or dash
[01:53] <ActionParsnip> Arcademan: simplest solution is always the best
[01:53] <nevopross> what is ./reflushtyus ?
[01:54] <mynameisdeleted> I'd like to contribute desktop backgrounds to the ubuntu project
[01:54] <nevopross> hey                             what is ./reflushtyus ?
[01:54] <mynameisdeleted> what are the requirements for that?
[01:54] <mynameisdeleted> all images derive from my origional photos and image content obtained royalty free... mostely just my orgiional photo content
[01:55] <nevopross> Help me please
[01:55] <nevopross> what is ./reflushtyus ?
[01:55] <devesh> what will be the umask value to allow evryone in an ext4 partition?
[01:55] <disismt> hi all, when exactly will ubuntu 11.10 beta 1 be released?
[01:56] <disismt> midnight?
[01:56] <mynameisdeleted> http://okser.net/~stv/nharbor4_cut2_9f2.jpg     thats one of the pictures I might submit
[01:56] <nevopross> i use ubuntu 11.04
[01:56] <mynameisdeleted> http://okser.net/~stv/nharbor4_cut2_9.jpg  <--smaller version
[01:59] <samsonowicz> bump: can somebody explain to me how to open ports? i want to host a server in a game. i opened ports on my router, on the correct IP taken from ifconfig, according to this: http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/TP-Link/TD-W8901G/Doom_3.htm but still no go. i can actually connect to myself on localhost/<IP_ADDRESS> but not on my external ip address
[01:59] <invisiblek> samsonowicz, unless you installed a firewall, you shouldnt have to open any ports
[02:00] <invisiblek> are you sure your doom server is listening on other addresses other than <IP_ADDRESS>?
[02:01] <nevopross> Help me please
[02:01] <nevopross> what is ./reflushtyus ?
[02:01] <nevopross> i use ubuntu 11.04
[02:01] <Linda> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting i done all in this page,and not sussefull,because is not the sound driver
[02:01] <samsonowicz> well, actually the game isn't doom, but skulltag. i'm not sure if it's listening on other adresses, but on windows it worked with the same setup iirc.
[02:02] <samsonowicz> i checked in searched in synaptic for 'firewall' and the only apps that seem to be installed are ufw and iptables
[02:05] <KrazyFukr> anyone know a good site for getting familiar with ubuntu as a linux newb?
[02:05] <samsonowicz> how can i check on what ports an application is listening?
[02:05] <qin> samsonowicz: sudo netstat -tulp
[02:06] <qin> samsonowicz: Tcp Udp Listen Post
[02:06] <qin> *Port
[02:07] <chalcedony> i'm trying to figure out video drivers. http://pastebin.com/4KxBjuEY
[02:07] <qin> !manual | KrazyFukr
[02:07] <chalcedony> i really do need help, please?
[02:07] <gaelfx> is there anything like notepad++ for Ubuntu?
[02:07] <ActionParsnip> !manual | samsonowicz
[02:07] <ActionParsnip> samsonowicz: sorry, wrong target
[02:07] <KrazyFukr> awesome, thanks much.
[02:07] <andrew_> does anyone know why libsvga isn't working on ubuntu 11.04? I switch to textmode terminal ctrl+alt+f2 and ran some demos that came with the source code.. but no graphics is displayed.. it's just a blank black screen
[02:07] <ActionParsnip> gaelfx: gedit
[02:07] <qin> ActionParsnip: Coffee?
[02:08] <gaelfx> ActionParsnip: gedit can do dyntax highlighting?
[02:08] <ActionParsnip> qin: totally, 3am here. Still 4.5 hours to go
[02:08] <gaelfx> *syntax
[02:08] <samsonowicz> does this mean it listens on 10666 on external adresses, too? "udp        0      0 *:10666                 *:*                                 6461/skulltag-serve"
[02:08] <chalcedony> gaelfx, i like vi(m)
[02:08] <ActionParsnip> gaelfx: absolutely
[02:08] <chalcedony> #vim
[02:08] <fabio> Hi, everyone
[02:08] <roothorick> do I have to do something different to put Live USB on a *hard drive*?
[02:09] <gaelfx> ActionParsnip: cool, I did not know that
[02:09] <roothorick> a USB external hard drive, I mean
[02:09] <ActionParsnip> gaelfx: http://www.fsckin.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/gedit-original.png
[02:09] <qin> gaelfx: gedit have plugins, also kate, gvim.
[02:09] <ActionParsnip> gaelfx: even nano does syntax highlighting
[02:09] <jrib> gaelfx: join the dark side, you know you want to... vi vi vi
[02:10] <gaelfx> jrib: I know, I'm gonna have to just do it I guess
[02:10] <fabio> I'm using an external HD and I'd like to use it as a flashdrive and to install ubuntu on it. The problem is, when I connect it to another computer, I can't see my files. Any help?
[02:10] <chalcedony> ActionParsnip, can you please look at my video driver problem? http://pastebin.com/4KxBjuEY
[02:10] <samsonowicz> qin: does this output mean an application would accept connections on external ip, too?  e.g. on 80. 8.80.67:10666 "udp        0      0 *:10666                 *:*                                 6461/skulltag-serve"
[02:10] <jdevel> fabio, is your name Kyle?
[02:10] <qin> ActionParsnip: funny, I finnish also at 7am...
[02:11] <fabio> No, my name is Fábio
[02:11] <mj_latex> ^_^
[02:11] <gaelfx> vim.org doesn't look as spartan as I expected it to
[02:11] <ActionParsnip> qin: european shifts?
[02:11] <jdevel> k, someone I knew used that handle all the time
[02:11] <jdevel> and his name was Kyle
[02:11] <ActionParsnip> chalcedony: remove the driver and reboot, then install it
[02:11] <jdevel> I went to school with him many many years ago
[02:11] <qin> samsonowicz: All addresses, port 10666, udp, looks ok.
[02:11] <ActionParsnip> chalcedony: i'm not too hot with ati stuffs
[02:11] <qin> ActionParsnip: uk
[02:12] <ActionParsnip> qin: same, but do you do 4 days of 12 hours, then 4 off?
[02:12] <chalcedony> ActionParsnip, oh .. i'm so frustrated
[02:12] <urlin2u> fabio, whats the partition on the external and what other OS?
[02:12] <guerrero> can any one help me?
[02:12] <ActionParsnip> guerrero: did my suggestion work?
[02:12] <jdevel> this isn't the chat for that type of stuff.. this is jquery
[02:12] <fabio> Weird handle, eh? lol
[02:12] <jdevel> yea I suppose
[02:12] <guerrero> can you tell me again.plz cuz my xchat clossed itself
[02:13] <fabio> Tryed using a Windows XP installation to see the files
[02:13] <urlin2u> fabio, okay XP waht is the partion type on the hd
[02:13] <ActionParsnip> guerrero: run:  gksudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf     delete ALL text and add:  nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>     save the new file and close gedit, is the web faster?
[02:13] <qin> ActionParsnip: Last day off... 16 Aug. Last coffee, 15 minutes ago.
[02:13] <jjcipher> #android
[02:13] <Arcademan> Is there a way I can place sudo apt-get list < list.txt into a list format not one by one line?
[02:14] <fabio> Can't remember the exact name right now, something that starts with 'e' and ands with '4'
[02:14] <ActionParsnip> qin: this is my 3rd day, got Fri, Sat, Sun & Mon off, then back on Tues on days
[02:14] <roothorick> fabio: ext4?
[02:14] <fabio> Yes, that's the one
[02:14] <urlin2u> fabio, without a real outdated app windows wont read ext type partitions, generally people use a ntfs partition to shre .
[02:15] <urlin2u> share*
[02:15] <devesh> i recently formated a ntfs partition to ext4 but its not giving the permission to read and write?
[02:15] <jdevel> or use samba
[02:15] <devesh> any suggestions?
[02:15] <guerrero> i have 2 name server
[02:15] <guerrero> domain Belkin
[02:15] <guerrero> search Belkin
[02:15] <guerrero> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:15] <guerrero> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:15] <qin> ActionParsnip: So you can stay here just for fun ;)
[02:15] <FloodBot1> guerrero: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:15] <guerrero> sorry :( for flood
[02:15] <ActionParsnip> fabio: you can use www.fs-driver.org to view ext2 and ext3 but Windows is too crippled to do anything of any value to Linux partitions
[02:15] <ActionParsnip> qin: its dead, so yeah
[02:16] <ActionParsnip> guerrero: I don't care what it says now, I just told you to change the file didn't I?
[02:16] <devesh> i have changed the umask to 0000
[02:16] <gaelfx> don't forget Ext2fs :P
[02:16] <guerrero> how do i change it?
[02:16] <fabio> So, what should I do? I couldn't install ubuntu on a ntfs partition, and didn't have the option to format any free space to ntfs
[02:16] <guerrero> both name server to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[02:17] <Nach0z> <IP_ADDRESS>. and <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:17] <Nach0z> they're google's DNS servers
[02:17] <ActionParsnip> guerrero: I already told you what to do in as much detail as can possibly be given, try scrolling up and re-reading
[02:17] <qin> guerrero: <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>, but it is public google.
[02:18] <urlin2u> fabio, ubuntu goes in a ext4 make an extra ntfs to share between ubuntu and XO.
[02:18] <ActionParsnip> guerrero: you have ALL the instruction you can need
[02:18] <urlin2u> XP
[02:18] <guerrero> action i love you.and if ur a bot then ur a good one :p
[02:18] <guerrero> and thnx all of you 4 the help its browsing fast now :)
[02:18] <fabio> That's my idea, but how can I create a ntfs partition?
[02:19] <ActionParsnip> guerrero: is it faster?
[02:19] <roothorick> fabio: use gparted from a LiveCD/LiveUSB
[02:19] <samsonowicz> qin: any idea why i can't connect to the server on external ip? localhost:10666 and <IP_ADDRESS>:10666 (my internal ip) connect ok, but when i try to connect using my external ip i just time out? i have no firewall installed (except the standard iptables and ufw), the ports are forwarded to my internal ip on my router.
[02:19] <urlin2u> fabio, with a partitiner like gparted in ubuntu.
[02:19] <guerrero> its its much faster :)
[02:19] <ActionParsnip> guerrero: that change won't stick between reboots so you need to make the change in network manager so that the file gets THAT seting rather than your junky ISP's DNS
[02:20] <qin> samsonowicz: Moment.
[02:20] <guerrero> and how can i do that change permanently?
[02:20] <fabio> Thank you very much guys, all of you. I'll try that as soon as can. Bye
[02:20] <ActionParsnip> guerrero: in network manager, set the connection to DHCP (address only) then on the DNS line set the DNS to:    <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>    and click to make it the setting for all users
[02:21] <guerrero> which one is beter.network conection manager that came with ubuntu.or wiicd?
[02:21] <ActionParsnip> guerrero: both are fine, I use wicd as I like the CLI interface :)
[02:21] <urlin2u> !better | guerrero
[02:22] <ActionParsnip> guerrero: there is no 'better' in software, each has strengths and weaknesses, for what you need network manager is fine
[02:22] <qin> samsonowicz: can you forward any known service (like ssh) for test?
[02:22] <guerrero> thnx
[02:23] <qin> samsonowicz: All ping attempts have failed, did you say that your sever was ok on M$?
[02:24] <samsonowicz> qin: yeah, it worked on win 7. i forwarded port 22 on my router, will that suffice for a test or do i need also need to setup something else?
[02:25] <mibbit> is there a separate irc channel for developers who are working on the beta release?
[02:25] <xangua> !oneirice | mibbit
[02:26] <xangua> !oneiric
[02:26] <samsonowicz> qin: "sudo nmap -v -sU -p 10666 <IP_ADDRESS>" outputs: "10666/udp open|filtered unknown"
[02:27] <qin> samsonowicz: Yes, do you run telnet too, got 20-24 filtered.
[02:27] <task0> hello all, how can i create an efi patition (for boot booster) using a uuid table?
[02:27] <mibbit> thanks xangua
[02:29] <samsonowicz> qin: i don't know if i run a telnet service... what's strange is that scanning my internal ip with nmap gives: "All 1000 scanned ports on <IP_ADDRESS> are closed", scanning my routers ip however gives: "Discovered open port 80/tcp on <IP_ADDRESS>" and also ports 21 and 23
[02:30] <Corey> samsonowicz: May be your switch.
[02:30] <Corey> "Too many packets for different ports on $IP, we're going to block traffic for a bit from the origination point"
[02:30] <Corey> Some crappy consumer gear does that.
[02:30] <samsonowicz> Corey: don't have a switch... i think? unless an ordinary router is a switch. :P
[02:32] <samsonowicz> Corey: my networking knowledge is rather miserable.
[02:32] <Guest1175> i need help running unity
[02:32] <Guest1175> my driver is blacklisted
[02:32] <qin> samsonowicz: 10666/tcp filtered unknown, Well, if router configuration is ok, then maybe DZM would help. for ssh test, forward port from box you running game and watch /var/log/auth.log
[02:32] <Guest1175> i have the link on the commands i need to run but im having a hard time figuring out how to run those commands
[02:33] <qin> samsonowicz: And why it is tcp from router?
[02:34] <Bentley_> hi all, Something on my box is sending out data on the network as fast as possible. Can someone help me determine what process is doing it?
[02:34] <samsonowicz> qin: do you mean why is the tcp protocol open? i forwarded both protocols on ports 22 and 5000-15000
[02:34] <qin> Bentley_: iftop
[02:34] <task0> hello all, how can i create an efi patition (for boot booster) using a uuid table?
[02:34] <Guest1175> i need to force unity to start. can someone help me with running the commands sudo nano /etc/environment and adding UNITY_FORCE_START=1
[02:34] <Bentley_> qin, installing...
[02:35] <qin> samsonowicz: Disregard, wrong switch in nmap
[02:35] <ActionParsnip> Bentley_: Its keep alive stuff, Xboes do that
[02:35] <qin> Bentley_: Also: sudo netstat -tuep or -tulp (for fisten only)
[02:35] <ActionParsnip> Bentley_: I seem to recall they are IPX/SPX keep alive packets
[02:36] <Bentley_> 315Gb since i don't know  when :)
[02:36] <ActionParsnip> Bentley_: yep, they suck
[02:36] <qin> samsonowicz: box form you running game: start ssh server and forward in router.
[02:36] <picolo> hi people
[02:37] <rclay> What's the best way to get gems to work?
[02:37] <ActionParsnip> rclay: gems?
[02:37] <rclay> The packages don't seem to be adding the gem path to $PATH
[02:37] <Bentley_> hmmm, iftop is showing me the top senders are to Lower-Room.local and Outside.local ....those are my airport expresses
[02:37] <ActionParsnip> ahh i see now
[02:37] <rclay> I don't to have to manually add them to every node...
[02:37] <Arcademan> Is there a way I can place sudo apt-get list < list.txt into a list format not one by one line?
[02:38] <Bentley_> whew, at least it's not my embarassing home videos going out to some download site!
[02:39] <rclay> I read some long-running bug thread about how broken the gem paths are nowadays or something blather like that...
[02:40] <ActionParsnip> Bentley_: I'd ask in an xbox channel someplace but basically they suck and I suggest you power it off when you aren't using it to not only save the gajillions of electricty they chug but to save your network
[02:40] <Bentley_> ActionParsnip, i don't have an xbox
[02:40] <samsonowicz> qin: installed openssh-server and -client. 'ssh localhost' seems to work for me.
[02:41] <rclay> Arcademan: I would suggest writing a script to do that.
[02:41] <qin> samsonowicz: Check. tail -f /var/log/auth.log
[02:41] <ActionParsnip> Bentley_: must be crossed wires in my brain, my bad
[02:41] <Guest1175> i cant get my computer to boot in unity, can some one help?
[02:41] <samsonowicz> qin: 'localhost <IP_ADDRESS>' outputs "ssh: connect to host <IP_ADDRESS> port 22: Connection refused"
[02:42] <rclay> Anybody use gems in here?
[02:42] <samsonowicz> qin: "Sep  1 04:39:21 samson-ubuntu sshd[9316]: Server listening on :: port 22."
[02:42] <qin> samsonowicz: refused means firewall.
[02:42] <ActionParsnip> samsonowicz: I get a request for username here
[02:42] <ActionParsnip> samsonowicz: just connected to <IP_ADDRESS> just fine
[02:43] <ActionParsnip> samsonowicz: had to accept the key and everything
[02:43] <qin> samsonowicz: Confirmed.
[02:43] <Jokn> rclay: in the past when I was messing with rubygems i had to write the gem's path to ~/.bashrc
[02:44] <samsonowicz> qin: why i can't connect to myself using 'ssh <IP_ADDRESS>' then?
[02:44] <rclay> Jokn: Ugh, that's gross... Oh well, I guess that's how it goes ;)
[02:45] <qin> samsonowicz: Wrong IP
[02:45] <randrums> before i post the link , can somebody help me win a facebook like contest?
[02:45] <Jokn> rclay: yea thats the way the ubuntu documentation says to do it, IDK of any other way, but I really haven't messed with it for about a year now.
[02:46] <randrums> i'm not going to post it because I don't want to get booted
[02:46] <randrums> but.. if I could message my facebook page to anybody that will help
[02:46] <xangua> randrums: then don't
[02:46] <rclay> Jokn: I'm not sure why the package doesn't just put it in there, so "it just works" But then again, it's not Dropbox, haha.
[02:46] <samsonowicz> qin: what do you mean? myip.dk gives me: <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:46] <ActionParsnip> randrums: this is support ONLY
[02:46] <randrums> i just installed Ubuntu on my netbook. Love it
[02:47] <samsonowicz> qin: also, i immediately get a refusal when i try to connect, i don't have to wait for a timeout or anything...
[02:47] <randrums> alllright. well, thanks anyway
[02:47] <jam120992> i need help forcing unity to start at boot, can someone help me with the commands?
[02:47] <ActionParsnip> jam120992: add the command:  compiz --replace    in your startup and it should be ok
[02:48] <Jokn> rclay: yea I'd agree it would be better if it would work just after the apt-get install
[02:48] <mbernhardt> Doesn't it?
[02:48] <qin> samsonowicz: Wait, You can connect localy, but your isp may not resolve own mask, or blocking internal broadcast. try ssh -vvv
[02:49] <Jokn> well it does, but last I messed with it and what rclay is saying.  You have to update the path in bashrc
[02:49] <JayWalker_> Anyone familiar with a problem like this on 10.04: When I'm playing music through rhythmbox and I use any other program that plays sound at the same time (flash, games, facebook chat) the sound gets all garbled and distorted. SC is Soundblaster live 5.1
[02:50] <rclay> mbernhardt: Yeah, it's all there, but you have to add it to the system path.
[02:50] <samsonowicz> qin: http://pastebin.com/hyC4CKmp
[02:50] <rclay> mbernhardt: And I don't want to have to do that with all of my nodes, but I suppose I'll have to figure out some witty way of doing it...
[02:50] <openn> does anybody know how can I specify a DNS server using OpenVPN?
[02:50] <mbernhardt> Ok
[02:51] <jam120992> ActionParsnip_ the commands on the support page look like this sudo nano /etc/environment add: UNITY_FORCE_START=1
[02:51] <Jokn> openn: you mean like what DNS gets sent to clients via DHCP ?
[02:52] <JayWalker_> if anyone answered my question could you please repeat, ubuntu just locked up and crashed when starting openarena :/
[02:52] <openn> Jokn: vpn server gives me a DNS IP which I dont want to use.
[02:53] <Jokn> are you controlling the VPN? you can change what DNS it pushes via DHCP in the config
[02:53] <jam120992> ActionParsnip_ were you talking about running compiz --replace in the terminal or somewhere else?
[02:53] <ActionParsnip> jam120992: worth a try, its easily rolled back if it's no good
[02:53] <openn> Jokn: no, I dont control the vpn server
[02:53] <ActionParsnip> jam120992: add a startup item to run the command and it will run, should make unity run as its a plugin in compiz
[02:53] <openn> Jokn: hm how can I push the DNS I want via DHCP
[02:54] <jam120992> well im not sure how to run sude or how to add UNITY_FORCE_START=1
[02:55] <jam120992> how do you add a start up item?
[02:55] <jam120992> im new to ubuntu btw
[02:55] <Jokn> openn: you'd have to have control of the server itself to change that
[02:55] <openn> Jokn: the only solution is to edit /etc/resolv.conf?
[02:56] <Jokn> on your machine, yea you could specify dns
[02:56] <Jokn> are you trying to get around dns filtering ?
[02:56] <openn> no
[02:56] <Jokn> What's the problem then?
[02:56] <openn> just to use a different DNS server
[02:56] <openn> lower latency, no log, etc
[02:57] <openn> echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" >> /etc/resolv.conf
[02:58] <Jokn> yea, not sure if the VPN dns will take over though.  haven't really messed with VPN tunnels via desktop version
[02:58] <gaelfx> I remember someone once mentioning a method of learning vim to me, I think the program was called vimtutor, can anyone confirm that?
[02:58] <infid> how do i install the development version of google chrome in ubuntu 10.04?
[02:58] <Jokn> openn: but I think you get the idea.  Do you have DiG installed?
[02:58] <openn> bash: /etc/resolv.conf: Permission denied
[02:58] <openn> ?
[02:58] <xangua>  infid add the chromium ppa
[02:59] <xangua> there are like 3 ppa's stable, beta and dialy i believe
[02:59] <Onlyodin> openn, did you use sudo?
[02:59] <openn> yes
[02:59] <Jokn> openn: you use sudo to edit it?
[02:59] <openn> sudo echo
[02:59] <openn> lol
[02:59] <Jokn> open it with a text editor see what it looks like see if you can change it
[02:59] <openn> I want to edit it with single command
[02:59] <samsonowicz> ActionParsnip: you said you can connect to my ssh, but why when i nmap my ip it doesn't discover the ssh service?
[03:00] <Onlyodin> define "want to edit with single command"?
[03:00] <xangua> openn: you can set DNS on network preferences
[03:00] <openn> xangua: I know, but IM using terminal only
[03:00] <openn> not network-manager
[03:01] <openn> Onlyodin: I want to edit /etc/resolv.conf with sudo echo "nameserver IP" >> /etc/resolv.conf
[03:01] <xangua> then use sudo vim to edit it openn
[03:01] <openn> it doesnt work
[03:01] <openn> thats why I said with "single command"
[03:01] <Onlyodin> is there a cli version of network-manager, similar to system-config-network-cli?
[03:02] <Onlyodin> openn, put the command inside a bash script or try putting it in quotes
[03:02] <Onlyodin> (not the sudo bit, the rest)
[03:02] <qin> samsonowicz: Not sure why it do not reslve your public ip, but: http://pastebin.com/kBs1y5J6
[03:02] <openn> k
[03:03] <Jokn> Onlyodin: yea its sudo vim /etc/network/interfaces lol
[03:04] <Onlyodin> Jokn, not quite what I was thinking, but true enough ;)
[03:04] <ActionParsnip> samsonowicz: strange indeed
[03:05] <samsonowicz> qin: yeah, when i nmap my ip for that udp port it does discover it too
[03:05] <ActionParsnip> Onlyodin: wicd has wicd-curses which is an awesome cli network manager tool
[03:05] <qin> samsonowicz: On local or public ip?
[03:06] <samsonowicz> qin: public
[03:06] <samsonowicz> qin: yet trying to connect to the game server on that public ip and port times out.
[03:06] <openn> so
[03:07] <openn> How can I echo something to /etc/resolv.conf
[03:07] <qin> samsonowicz: What dns are you using? /etc/resolv.conf ?
[03:08] <ActionParsnip> openn: sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf    will be easier
[03:08] <grendal-prime> dudes...disney digital copy blows
[03:08] <qin> samsonowicz: Well do not make sense, since you can see port.
[03:08] <openn> ActionParsnip: :P but then I have to write manually
[03:08] <grendal-prime> anyone know of a way of playing this crap?
[03:08] <samsonowicz> qin: nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:08] <openn> echo 'nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>' | sudo tee -a /etc/resolv.conf
[03:08] <openn> this works
[03:08] <openn> but ofc im not gonna use google dns ;)
[03:08] <ActionParsnip> openn: openn use any dns ou like, there are many
[03:09] <dzeremis> Hello to all! I need help with installation of Windows in a system with two versions of Ubuntu. I can't WINE programs effectively. VirtualBox is acting pathetically. I have two ext4 partitions, one with Ubuntu 10.XX. I simply want to erase this and install Windows without destroying my current Ubuntu 11.XX partition, which I use for non-Windows tasks. What are my steps to make sure Windows Vista 7 doesn't overwrite everything and leave me with
[03:09] <dzeremis> out a boot mechanism?
[03:09] <qin> samsonowicz: I think you could test it with and public dns.
[03:09] <dzeremis> I'm talking about partitions and the boot loader which gives you an option of which operating system(s) to choose?
[03:09] <qin> *any
[03:10] <ActionParsnip> dzeremis: when you install, tell windows to format the current ntfs partition and install to it. You WILL need to reinstate grub2 to the MBR as windows will blindly overwrite it with its own
[03:10] <samsonowicz> qin: how?
[03:10] <Polah> dzeremis: Just set Windows to format and install on the proper partition, you'll need to reinstall grub afterwards
[03:11] <dzeremis> ActionParsnip and Polah: Thank you very much. That is exactly what I suspected. I do not use Windows habitually on its own partition. So, Windows, in its arrogance, WILL let me select which partition to install on, and all I need to do is reinstall GRUB?
[03:11] <openn> ActionParsnip: I created an alias but I have a problem now, since openvpn command leaves terminal open it cannot perform the last command, is there a way to do this?
[03:11] <qin> samsonowicz: Wait, it do not make sense, since your paste have shown domain and ip. Thinking.
[03:11] <dzeremis> ActionParsnip and Polah: speaking of which, what is the easiest way for me to reinstall grub2?
[03:11] <Polah> dzeremis: If you dd if=/dev/sda of=grubbackup bs=446 count=1 you'll end up with a file of  your grub install from the mbr. You can reinstate that later using dd if=grubbackup of=/dev/sda bs=446 count=1. You'll still need to update though to pick up Windows
[03:11] <randrums> https://plus.google.com/115895054477394715961/posts/84KCPX2xgUh
[03:11] <zahh> Anyone know why my non-root users in a chroot'd Ubuntu can't get DNS resolving
[03:12] <zahh> Anyone know why my non-root users in a chroot'd Ubuntu can't get DNS resolving
[03:12] <roothorick> zahh: you forgot to copy resolv.conf to the chroot?
[03:12] <openn> !repeat
[03:12] <zahh> roothorick: my root user can resolve
[03:12] <roothorick> zahh: resolv.conf not world-readable?
[03:12] <ActionParsnip> dzeremis: use liveCD and you can chroot to install it
[03:12] <zahh> if I ping google.com as root it works, non-root no dice
[03:12] <dzeremis> Polah: I'm not so advanced a user. I can type in Terminal instructions, but once Windows is installed and has wiped out my boot loader, I don't know what to do...
[03:13] <openn> zahh: firewall
[03:13] <zahh> roothorick: its -rw-r--r--
[03:13] <dzeremis> ActionParsnip: That's a good idea. chroot --> what to get to that point? what to do? That's a great idea, as I'd have access to a Terminal.
[03:13] <zahh> openn: hmm Ill look into that
[03:13] <txrugger86> this room is a bit more lively as opposed to the last one
[03:13] <ActionParsnip> dzeremis: there are guides online
[03:14] <openn> how can I perform a command leaving terminal open and perform another command in another window or in background?
[03:14] <Polah> dzeremis: do the first dd command in a terminal before install windows and you'll end up with a file name grubbackup in whatever directory you were in when you ran the command (probably your home), then after you install windows you'll need to boot a LiveCD, use the second dd command to reinstate GRUB and then update GRUB to do so. Or you could do a clean install of GRUB.
[03:14] <dzeremis> ActionParsnip: Would you please direct me to one? I'm a little bit like a deer in the headlights right now, a temporary condition. I'm just making a plan so that after I install Windows, I'll know what to do.
[03:14] <knoppies> Im trying to mount a win7 share onto my ubuntu machine using smbmount. I can get the mount working, but all files/dir get the ownership root:root when I want them to be user:user I have tried using -o uid=user gid=user but have no luck (obviously I replace user with my username)
[03:14] <gaelfx> openn: sounds like you want to put an ampersand after the command
[03:15] <dzeremis> Polah: Which do you think is easiest for a person who feels a bit like a deer in the headlights tonight: not my normal clarity. A little dazed for no reason.
[03:15] <openn> gaelfx: sry, what is that?
[03:15] <gaelfx> openn: &
[03:15] <jam120992> side luancher bar or unity wont auto hide when windows are in full screen, any help?
[03:16] <ActionParsnip> dzeremis: trust me, they are all over the place. Just search for: reinstall grub2 ubuntu live cd            and take your pick
[03:16] <openn> gaelfx: brb
[03:16] <dzeremis> Polah: I'm willing to do any of them. Just so long as I pick the one I can do most easily. I want to get off of here and go fry my previous Ubuntu installation in favor of functioning Windows and be sure I know EXACTLY how to return home to Ubuntu afterward.
[03:16] <dzeremis> ActionParsnip: Okay. I will go look.
[03:16] <Polah> dzeremis: dd and then update-grub but it does require you to be careful since using it you can damage your partition table which would be irretrievable
[03:16] <qin> samsonowicz: So, in M$, connecting to game with public ip from lan works? That would mean that address is translated to lans ip, but not certain how to set it, few minutes.
[03:16] <dzeremis> Polah: Thank you. ActionParsnip and Polah: I will remain connected while I look online.
[03:16] <Polah> dzeremis: You can always boot a LiveCD (which you'll need to do anyway to fix GRUB) and come back here for help later
[03:16] <gaelfx> openn : if you put the ampersand after a command, it will run in background and you can still do other things in terminal
[03:17] <dzeremis> Polah: that would be extremely helpful. Would you be connected for a while?
[03:17] <bby> be..te
[03:17] <Polah> knoppies: uid and gid need group IDs, i.e. numeric values not user or group names
[03:18] <urlin2u> dzeremis, here is grub2, if you have the same cd you installed with follow this default the chroot method is below  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Copy_LiveCD_Files
[03:18] <knoppies> Polah, ok, I will try that. the man page for smbmount (which actually gives me the man page for mount.cifs) implies that since version 1.10 you can use non-numeric form.
[03:18] <dzeremis> Polah: Okay. Just a moment while I investigate this and come to an understanding. I will be right back.
[03:19] <Polah> knoppies: Hmm, I don't know if you can but numeric IDs should work
[03:19] <knoppies> How do I (easily) find the uid and gid of my current user?
[03:19] <knoppies> uid=1000 I take it that is a default.
[03:20] <dzeremis> urlin2u: Oops. I made a mistake. Thanks to you. Polah, ActionParsnip, I will report back. Thank you again, urlin2u.
[03:20] <knoppies> same with gid, thanks Polah
[03:20] <jam120992> side luancher bar or unity wont auto hide when windows are in full screen, any help?
[03:20] <knoppies> jam120992, Im sorry but I do not use unity.
[03:21] <samsonowicz> qin: yeah, i'm not sure if it translates it to localhost, though. i'm just trying to connect like that to test wheter my server is available on the public ip. i think it doesn't listen on the public ip at all, it doesn't seem to show up on the masterserver list. on win 7 it did, though. i don't know, maybe there's some specific setting on the linux build that i need to set...
[03:21] <jam120992> ok anyone else who can help?
[03:22] <knoppies> Polah, they are still root:root even my ro (read only) option is ignored. It is almost as if it reads user= and then ignores the rest.
[03:22] <ActionParsnip> jam120992: it's a setting in ccsm
[03:22] <qin> samsonowicz: what game is it?
[03:22] <jamiewan> jam120992: compiz, unity settings should try dodge windows
[03:22] <samsonowicz> qin: skulltag.
[03:22] <Polah> knoppies: What's the command you're using
[03:23] <ActionParsnip> jam120992: install compizconfig-settings-manager    and run: ccsm    you can configure unity there
[03:23] <knoppies> sudo mount.cifs //Q6600.local/Backup /media/q6600/Backup -o user=$auth uid=1000 gid=1000 ro
[03:24] <knoppies> Polah, $auth is my username and password for the share on the windows machine.
[03:24] <ActionParsnip> knoppies: you want commans between the options, not spaces afaik
[03:25] <knoppies> ActionParsnip, thank you.
[03:25] <knoppies> I thought it would be something simple.
[03:25] <jam120992> ActionParsnip: thank you, installing now
[03:25] <Polah> knoppies: Yes, -o user=$auth,uid=1000,gid=1000,ro
[03:25] <Polah> knoppies: perhaps those username's will work now too
[03:26] <knoppies> Polah, I will give it a try. Let me try the numbers first.
[03:26] <ActionParsnip> knoppies: try adding    username=User,password=UsersPassword     instead of    user=$auth
[03:26] <samsonowicz> qin: when the server starts it gives this ouput: http://pastebin.com/3ByyMHzT i think it's correct...
[03:26] <knoppies> ActionParsnip, $auth=user%pass
[03:27] <samsonowicz> qin: i'm gonna reboot to win 7 and check what's the output when starting the server there.
[03:27] <ActionParsnip> knoppies: I see, you can also do it with a credentials file    http://rockpenguin.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/ubuntu-and-mountcifs/
[03:27] <knoppies> ActionParsnip, I noticed that in the man page while trying to fix these permissions. I might do that. Thank you.
[03:29] <knoppies> ActionParsnip, Polah. It now works. Thank you. Im going to give non-numeric uid/gid and credentials file a try.
[03:29] <qin> samitheb1rber: That would be easier to find someone on DALnet with slient to test server.
[03:29] <kausar> TODOS HABLAN INGLE SPOR LO QUE VEO
[03:30] <somsip> !es | kausar
[03:30] <knoppies> Polah, using the username and groupname with uid= and gid= works too. Thank you for the help.
[03:32] <WeberEInc> Hello - Anyone know what boot parameter (if any) I can use to stop a mouse from constantly snapping back to the center of the screen during a LiveCD session?
[03:33] <roothorick> I can't get usb-creator to work with my Seagate external HDD, when I boot it I get a very ambiguous "Boot error" and nothing else pops up
[03:34] <ActionParsnip> roothorick: did you MD5 test the ISO you tranferred?
[03:34] <roothorick> ActionParsnip: the same ISO worked with a thumb drive, but that was way too slow
[03:34] <ActionParsnip> WeberEInc: is it a mouse, or is it a touchpad on a laptop?
[03:34] <ActionParsnip> roothorick: could try unetbootin
[03:34] <WeberEInc> ActionParsnip: It is an optical USB mouse
[03:35] <knoppies> WeberEInc, That might be something you can change using the mouse/touchpad settings rather than a boot parameter. I dont know much about boot parameters, sorry.
[03:35] <ActionParsnip> WeberEInc: tried a different usb port?
[03:35] <WeberEInc> Knoppies: Without control of the mouse - how can I cange any settings... I can't get up to the menu!
[03:35] <ActionParsnip> roothorick: should still MD5 test the ISO too, so you know for sure all is well
[03:35] <knoppies> Im not sure after unity, but you could ALT-F1
[03:35] <roothorick> ActionParsnip: I'm starting to think it's something to do with the hard drive itself. It seems to be confusing gparted...
[03:35] <WeberEInc> ActionpParsnip: Yep - tried both front and back USB ports
[03:36] <knoppies> WeberEInc, I am not sure with unity, but you can try ALT-F1
[03:36] <somsip> WeberEInc: tried unplugging and replugging back in as well?
[03:36] <WeberEInc> somsip: Yep... the mouse just snaps back to center of the screen after any movement attempt
[03:36] <somsip> WeberEInc: ok - worth asking
[03:36] <Linda-007> i have problems with the audio controller(PANEL) pulse audio aqualizer deactivate himself also
[03:36] <Linda-007> i have audio
[03:37] <Linda-007> but i cant control it
[03:37] <knoppies> WeberEInc, Does the machine you are using have a trackpad/touchpad/ or one of those drawing tablets? (maybe its a touchscreen?)
[03:37] <segnato> Hello
[03:37] <knoppies> !hi
[03:38] <dzeremis> In the middle of some stuff in the road to installing Windows. Is there any way for me to reach my Ubuntu 10.XX partition under Ubuntu 11.XX? All I want to do is make sure there aren't any files worth keeping while trying to avoid having to reboot and log in.
[03:38] <segnato> In Ubuntu how do I unzip a a zip file?
[03:38] <sabrion> Okay... got the inspiron wireless thing worked out... now I have to figure out how to make it permanent... by running sudo modprobe b43 it activates the wireless.... but i have to do this each time I log on... How to fix?
[03:38] <Nach0z> unzip filenames.zip segnato
[03:38] <Nach0z> .w 30
[03:38] <segnato> thanks
[03:39] <Nach0z> no prob
[03:39] <knoppies> WeberEInc, I assume the issue lies in a setting somewhere. It is almost as if your mouse is set to an absolute position rather than a relative one. There might be something you can run in the terminal to change the setting. Not sure what though.
[03:39] <ActionParsnip> dzeremis: no, windows is too primitive to access advanced linux filesystems
[03:40] <ActionParsnip> dzeremis: you can use an ubuntu liveCD and access the files just fine
[03:40] <Nach0z> aggressive much, ActionParsnip ?
[03:40] <roothorick> WeberEInc: do you use anything in Wine?
[03:40] <ActionParsnip> Nach0z: not agressive, just stating facts.  I haven't started installing Windows yet. I just wanted to copy files over without logging into Ubuntu 10.XX if necessary. Seems a waste of time.
[03:40] <ActionParsnip> roothorick: in what sense?
[03:41] <dzeremis> I'll have to download a LiveCD. I don't have a current one but have a current 11.04 disc.
[03:41] <Nach0z> ActionParsnip: Ext2Fsd (You too dzeremis) you can use this to mount EXT2 and EXT3 partitions in Windows
[03:41] <roothorick> ActionParsnip: NTFS can do pretty much anything ext3 can, and then some
[03:41] <knoppies> dzeremis, yes you should be able to. Are they separate partitions on the same drive?
[03:41] <Polah> dzeremis, yes, mount it and copy away
[03:41] <ActionParsnip> dzeremis: yes both can access ext4 so you can access it just fine :)
[03:41] <Arcademan> I just upgraded to Ubuntu 11.04 and now my RT8185 is not working or connecting ActionParsnip any suggestion?
[03:41] <ih20i> I'm new to linux and trying to navigate filesystems with the terminal.
[03:41] <roothorick> ActionParsnip: I can't speak of ext4 since I don't know exactly what they added
[03:41] <ActionParsnip> roothorick: yes, including fragment heavily
[03:41] <ih20i> I created a folder but when I try to navigate to it it says no such file or directory
[03:41] <segnato> I am following the tutorial here: http://www.blog.highub.com/linux/install-and-run-joomla-on-ubuntu/
[03:41] <WeberEInc> Well the Alt-F1 got me to the menus, but none of the mouse setting changes had any effect... it must be a boot action I need
[03:42] <dzeremis> knoppies, Polah, and ActionParsnip: :-) Yes, two ext4 partitions containing pure Linux on the same drive. I'm just not sure where to go to mount the sucker (the other partition containing 10.XX.) ^_^ Thanks all you you!
[03:42] <segnato> and it tells me to use tar xvjf to unpack a zip file
[03:42] <segnato> but its not working...
[03:42] <somsip> segnato: unzip for a zip file. tar xjf for .bz2
[03:42] <Polah> dzeremis, mount - ext4 -o defaults /dev/sdX /media/blah
[03:42] <urlin2u> sabrion, you on a live cd, it should be working. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#b43_-_Internet_access
[03:42] <knoppies> dzeremis, ls /dev/ and see if you can see something like sda sda1 sda2 sda3 (it might be hda or something too)
[03:43] <Polah> dzeremis, replace sdX as necessary and change blah to whatever you want to name the mount point
[03:43] <Linda-007> the sound indicator applet does not let me manage my volumen
[03:43] <jam120992> was just in here asking about how to auto hide unity luancher bar. i played with the compizconfig with all the setting and unity will still not auto hide, any other sugestions ?
[03:43] <WeberEInc> knoppies: I just read a post you wrote that I missed... YES! This machine has an input for a touchscreen (a SmartBoard actually!) I'll bet if I remove that connection, I will get the mouse!  I'm gonna try that now!
[03:43] <sabrion> urlin2u, I"m on a full install.... And base live wasn't working all that well.
[03:43] <dzeremis> sda, sda1-3, sda5, no hdas.
[03:43] <dzeremis> sda, sda1-3, sda5, no hdas. (knoppies)
[03:44] <knoppies> dzeremis, and if they are separate HDDs then you might have sdb sdb1 sdb2 as well?
[03:44] <segnato> so xvj will unzip it?
[03:44] <urlin2u> sabrion, take alook at the link it may have some info if you haven't used it already.
[03:44] <jamiewan> jam120992: try dodge windows did u
[03:44] <Linda-007> plus pulse audio equalizer,i keep cheking the EQ enable,,and keep uncheking itself
[03:44] <dr-willis> jam120992:  autohide is the default. or are you having issues with fullscreen apps and the panel?
[03:44] <ActionParsnip> jam120992: http://ubuntu-install.blogspot.com/2011/04/make-unity-bar-autohide-itself.html
[03:44] <ActionParsnip> jam120992: if that fails, set it to not hide, then hide again: http://peterpants.blogspot.com/2011/04/ubuntu-1104-unity-how-to-disable-unity.html
[03:44] <knoppies> WeberEInc, glad I could help. I hope that works. You might need to try tweek the smart board settings.
[03:45] <Arcademan> I just upgraded to Ubuntu 11.04 and now my RT8185 is not working or connecting yet it worked ok on 10.04 ActionParsnip or any other Ubuntu Support Staff suggestions I should take?
[03:45] <WeberEInc> Knoppies: ActionParsnip:  Well - that is it... I just tried moving the mouse via the smart board, and sure enough... the mouse moves... The driver can't handle both inputs it appears.
[03:45] <Linda-007> i have sound,and the driver,,i tried all,,followung troubleshooting in ubuntu pages
[03:45] <ActionParsnip> segnato: if you nistall unp, you can unzip EVERYTHING with a single command
[03:45] <dzeremis> knoppies: I've got just one hard drive. According to Partition Magic (eureka), I've got sda1, my Ubuntu 10.XX partition, sda2 + sda5 (swap space or something), and sda3 (the partition I'm currently in.) Odd numbering system. So, I guess I'll just Terminal and try to mount sda1
[03:45] <knoppies> yes
[03:45] <WeberEInc> Thanks all!
[03:45] <openn> hi
[03:46] <jam120992> jamiewan,ActionParsnip: i have tried that and the other options the side luancher bar will still sit on top of any window open and never hides, will try the links u posted
[03:46] <Linda-007> is just the applet
[03:46] <knoppies> dzeremis, yes, I recommend you mount it in mkdir/media/somename and then mount it to /media/somename
[03:46] <ActionParsnip> WeberEInc: least you have a cause. Is there a switch to disable the pad?
[03:46] <gaelfx> dzeremis: the numbering is that way because primary partitions are always sda1-4, exteneded partitions are sda5+
[03:46] <knoppies> dzeremis, sorry, I should have formulated that sentence better.
[03:46] <zahh> Question: All my non-root users are getting no access to anything that involves "Socket"
[03:46] <knoppies> gaelfx, thanks for that. I always wondered why.
[03:46] <ActionParsnip> jam120992: all I can do is websearch, just like you can. I don't use unity personally
[03:47] <zahh> I'm getting "Permission Denied" for ping, browsers etc.
[03:47] <gaelfx> knoppies: no problem
[03:47] <dzeremis> knoopies: Dear, helpful friend, I am still limited in my understanding of Terminal code. Could you suggest a string of commands to do that?
[03:47] <ActionParsnip> zahh: what groups is one of the problem users in?
[03:47] <gaelfx> dzeremis: it's that way because you can only have 4 primary partitions on a single drive
[03:47] <dzeremis> gaelfx: Thanks for letting me know. Cool nick.
[03:47] <zahh> its just a fresh new user
[03:47]  * ActionParsnip gasps at his own grammar
[03:47] <ActionParsnip> zahh: irrelevant, what groups is it in?
[03:47] <dzeremis> knoppies: No worrying about sentence formulation. I have a flexible understanding of English. Are you a native English speaker or something more interesting?
[03:47] <jam120992> ok thanks, seems like alot of people who use ubuntu alot dont like unity. i like it but it seems to be buggy
[03:47] <gaelfx> where are the grammarnazis when you need them?
[03:48] <zahh> his own and one called  aid_inet
[03:48] <ActionParsnip> gaelfx: indeed
[03:48] <Kardos> we're on strink
[03:48] <knoppies> dzeremis, mkdir /media/name; mount - ext4 -o defaults /dev/sdX /media/name
[03:48] <lws> @gaelfx: right here
[03:48] <lws> :D
[03:48] <ActionParsnip> zahh: that's why then
[03:48] <dr-willis> jam120992:  its a work in progress
[03:48] <knoppies> dzeremis, you can change name for anything you like.
[03:48] <Kardos> *strike. tf is a strink
[03:48] <sabrion> urlin2u, no new info... I need a way to make step five permanent.
[03:48] <knoppies> dzeremis, you will probably need to put sudo in front of both of those commands.
[03:48] <zahh> ActionParsnip: what is it
[03:48] <ActionParsnip> zahh: my user (andy) is in: andy adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare
[03:48] <gaelfx> lws: hopto! there's poor grammar gallavanting around here
[03:48] <zahh> hmm
[03:48]  * dzeremis is from a European-American immigrant family and speaks with a light Native American accent from early childhood exposure to paternal family members. I can pass as both Eastern European and Native in one breath and also as an American.
[03:49] <zahh> which one is required for internet/socket access
[03:49] <ActionParsnip> zahh: add it to those groups (not the admin group if you don't want the users to have sudo access etc) and it should be ok
[03:49] <knoppies> dzeremis, English is the only language that I can speak (ok, I can do a little bash too). I was just chopping and changing the sentence as I was writing it, so it came out a bit scrambled.
[03:49] <jam120992> dr-willis: whens the next update? and why the lack of support for nividea ?
[03:49] <dzeremis> knoppies: sudo mkdir ....?
[03:49] <lws> @gaelfx: sadly, I'm at work fixing grammar in reports written by people with english as a second language
[03:49] <knoppies> dzeremis, yes, and then sudo mount the ; separates the two commands.
[03:49] <ActionParsnip> English and ok French. I can ask for Booze in a lot of langages :)
[03:49] <lws> got quite enough of that :(
[03:49] <urlin2u> sabrion, you look in System > Administration > Hardware/Additional Drivers
[03:49] <sabrion> Anyone? Auto init of b43 driver. Similar to the sudo modprobe b43 command?
[03:49] <dzeremis> knoppies: nothing wrong with speaking only English. I don't know what I'd be like if I let my grammar slide. It'd be a very interesting situation!
[03:50] <dzeremis> knoppies: Okay, let me try this...
[03:50] <dr-willis> jam120992:  be a bit more clear..  my nvudia works fine.
[03:50] <ActionParsnip> sabrion: add the line:   b43   in the file /etc/modules   and it wil load at boot
[03:50] <sabrion> ActionParsnip, Thanks! Glad to be done with this!
[03:50] <knoppies> dzeremis, rememer to change th sdX for sda1 (I cannot remember what yours was called)
[03:50] <dr-willis> jam120992:  next release is in oct i belive
[03:50] <jam120992> mine happens to be on the blacklist
[03:50] <knoppies> dzeremis, and now I am missing keys.
[03:50] <jam120992> i think 7200 or 7400 gforce
[03:51] <gaelfx> dr-willis: releases are always in April and October, hence it's always *.04 or *.10 ;)
[03:51] <sabrion> TESTING!
[03:51] <gaelfx> sabrion: received
[03:51] <jam120992> oh ok thanks
[03:51] <Polah> gaelfx: Now 6.06 feels left out ):
[03:51] <jamiewan> saba: woo hoo wireless
[03:51] <dzeremis> knoppies: sda1. Can you give me a verbatim command line sequence to enter, please? Is it just sudo mount...? You might want to just give me the commands again. PLEASE. I'm afraid to make a mistake until my mental fog blows over (it is in the process of it.)
[03:52]  * dzeremis is missing the W key, like the Bush White House after the Clintons left, supposedly!
[03:52] <jamiewan> sabrion: woo hoo wireless
[03:52] <gaelfx> Polah: ah, different times :D
[03:52] <knoppies> dzeremis, brb, phone
[03:52] <lws> dzeremis: what are you trying to do?
[03:52] <dzeremis> knoppies: okay. EVERYONE ELSE? sudo mkdir /media/name, THEN sudo mount - ext4 -o defaults /dev/sdX /media/name
[03:52] <Polah> dzeremis, sudo mkdir /media/name && sudo mount -t ext4 -o defaults /dev/sda1 /media/name        change name if you want
[03:52] <bugzs> some one wget http://darkinfo.org/ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso
[03:52] <dzeremis> lws: Simply mount my other partition to grab data off of it before I wipe it clean.
[03:53] <bugzs> and tell me what speed they get
[03:53] <dzeremis> Polah: thanks.
[03:53] <ActionParsnip> dzeremis: does nautilus just mount it for you automagically?
[03:53] <lws> dezeremis: Polah's command will be fine
[03:53] <dr-willis> bugzs:  why that url?
[03:53] <knoppies> dzeremis, sudo mkdir /media/name; sudo mount - ext4 -o defaults /dev/sda1 /media/name (not sure on that, but I have to pick my brother up, will be back in 15min)
[03:53] <Polah> bugzs: 200KB/s, which is my maximum.
[03:53] <bugzs> becauses its my server
[03:53] <dzeremis> knoppies: okay, thanks, friend.
[03:53] <dzeremis> ActionParsnip: I'm checking. Just a moment.
[03:54] <ActionParsnip> bugzs: about 50k/sec
[03:54] <sabrion> ActionParsnip, Worked! Danke. Thanks for trying urlin2u.
[03:54] <ActionParsnip> bugzs: bursting at 5Mb/sec which is normal
[03:54] <dooglus> dzeremis: that doesn't look like good mount usage to me
[03:54] <ActionParsnip> bugzs: why not just use torrents, much faster and more reliable
[03:54] <knoppies> dzeremis, oops, my mistake I think it is supposed to be sudo mount -t ext4 -o defaults /dev/sda /media/name
[03:54] <knoppies> dzeremis, bbsoon
[03:54] <dzeremis> ActionParsnip: all I see is UBUNTU and FILE SYSTEM. They appear to be the same thing. Nothing changes between them.
[03:55] <jamiewan> bugzs: 450k
[03:55] <dooglus> dzeremis: "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/name" should do it
[03:55] <dr-willis>  -o defaults   is the default.
[03:55] <dzeremis> dooglus: Thanks for your input.
[03:55] <dooglus> knoppies: /dev/sda is the whole device, not the partition?
[03:55] <dzeremis> knoppies: Thanks a lot!
[03:55] <Linda-007> waiting for sound system to respond is all i get when cliking on sound preferences on indicator applet
[03:55] <dzeremis> dooglus: Just the other ext4 partition.
[03:55] <knoppies> dooglus, yes, oops, I meant sda1
[03:55] <Polah> knoppies: Not /dev/sda, that's the entire drive, requires sda1 for a partition
[03:55] <knoppies> dzeremis, I meant sda1
[03:55] <knoppies> thanks Polah I mean sda1
[03:55] <dzeremis> knoppies: Got ya.
[03:56]  * dzeremis is going to have to try one of these. Which one to choose...? (Appreciating all the help.)
[03:56] <dooglus> dzeremis: the -o and -t shouldn't be necessary
[03:56] <dooglus> dzeremis: do "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/name" and see what happens.  check with "mount" to see how it mounted
[03:56] <Polah> dzeremis: Mine and knoppies are the same, except mine makes /media/name and mounts it all on one line whereas knoppies makes the location and then mounts it afterwards
[03:57] <Linda-007> does my problem have a solution or not,i dont want to waste my time here beggin for help,or a simple answer
[03:57] <Polah> dooglus: Always good to specify the file system and options just so you ensure you're getting what you want
[03:57] <Nach0z> w 41
[03:57] <Polah> Linda-007, waiting in here for a response and asking every 10 minutes or so while you go other things isn't a waste of time (:
[03:58] <jamiewan> thats how it works
[03:58] <linocisco> hi all
[03:58] <dzeremis> Polah, dooglus, knoppies: I tried sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/U10 . It asked me password. I put in passwd. Said the mount point /media/U10 does not exist. So I have to mkdir somehow?
[03:58]  * dzeremis scrolls up to look at previous code
[03:58] <Polah> dzeremis: Did you do sudo mkdir /media/U10?
[03:58] <lws> dzeremis: yes, sudo mkdir /nt/U10
[03:59] <dzeremis> Okay, just did that. This is beginning to make sense to me again as my brain fog is clearing.
[03:59] <lws> dzeremis: gah, * /media/U10
[03:59] <linocisco> I am now trying to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10
[03:59] <dr-willis> double check it was made
[03:59] <linocisco> why do i need 10.10 CD ?
[03:59] <Linda-007> i have all day asking,,im sorry im going crazy here :(
[03:59] <linocisco> should I get it done with internet only ?
[03:59] <dzeremis> Polah, lws: just created U10.
[03:59] <lws> dzeremis: now try sudo mount ...
[04:00] <dr-willis> linocisco:  its doable either way
[04:00] <dzeremis> Now, should I try mounting to it again? sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/U10
[04:00] <lws> dzeremis: if the mount command works, ls -al /media/U10 should show you the contents of your drive
[04:00] <Polah> dzeremis, yes try mounting again
[04:00] <dr-willis> altcd can work as a upgrade midium
[04:00] <dzeremis> No complaints in Terminal. No feedback. Let me look if it worked.
[04:00] <lws> dzeremis: so try the mount comand and report back
[04:00] <linocisco> as my CD drive is not working
[04:01] <linocisco> how could I do ?
[04:01] <dzeremis> lws Polah: already did. ls -al /media/U10 shows up with expected folders. It might show up in Nautilis, if that's what it's called, spelling approx. I'm checking.
[04:01] <dr-willis> linocisco:  you just need the alt cd iso to mount... or.. just upgrade via the internet..
[04:02] <dr-willis> !upgrade
[04:02] <Arcademan> ActionParsnip, are you even answering my question?
[04:02] <Polah> dzeremis, if ls works then it'll show up in Nautilus unless Nautilus is broken
[04:02] <lws> dzeremis: well done, you can now get to it via nautilus
[04:02] <lws> dzeremis: just browse to /media/U10 and carry on as usual
[04:02] <Linda-007> If i upgrade my sistem,will the sound indicator applet start responding ?
[04:02] <dzeremis> lws Polah: Now "HD icon" UBUNTU shows as mounted. File System does not have that icon. They show the same thing. But wait! Can I go to my /home/ folder from this? It comes up with some cop-out files, not my actual data.
[04:03] <dzeremis> lws: Oh, okay. Momento.
[04:03] <Polah> dzeremis, after you've installed Windows you might consider editing your fstab to mount your windows partition automatically so you can access data on there without manually mounting it on your Ubuntu system. Of course, vice versa on Windows you'll need to download and install some cool software to access your ext4 Ubuntu partition
[04:04] <dzeremis> lws: Thank you. Well, I can't get into /home files. Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop. Hm...
[04:04] <dzeremis> Polah: Yes, I was thinking that it might make sense to reorganize my partition situation.
[04:05] <Polah> dzeremis, encrypted your home directory
[04:05] <dzeremis> Polah: not intentionally. I see no visible differences between each partition, if both of them are mounted properly. I'm about to try manually mounting the current partition, NOT sda1, and see what I see.
[04:06] <Polah> dzeremis, it's an option you can select during install to encrypt users' home directories
[04:07] <dzeremis> Polah: That's probably a smart idea. Well, I manually mounted sda1 and sda3. I see no visible differences, and I wasn't heavily invested in 10.04. I think I might as well go log into 10.04 very quickly, get GRUB or LiveCD ready, or both, install Windows, and get back #ubuntu.
[04:08] <Arcademan> May I ask is RT8185 supported on Ubuntu 11.04 anyone :)?
[04:08]  * dzeremis thinks all of you have been wonderfully helpful and supportive.
[04:08] <linocisco> it is still  asking for CD
[04:09]  * dzeremis has just found out that the previous chat history about GRUB is deleted. Yah...
[04:09] <Polah> Arcademan, look here: http://www.realtek.com/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=1&PFid=1&Level=6&Conn=5&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true
[04:09] <Singham> hi... I have a a wireless USB modem (internet working) and a model which has wifi broadcasting service (Internet not working).Can I link my both modems so that the modem withot internet can broadcast signals of USB modem ?
[04:13] <dzeremis> Polah: all right, my mind is feeling better. Not totally clear, but much better. I can think. To reinstall GRUB after Windows, can I quickly prepare a GRUB reinstall CD or should I download a LiveCD before I go install Windows? I will report back to #ubuntu regardless, but I'm looking for the quickest way at the moment: the smartest way. And then, another time, I'll get to work on improving my partition situation after Windows is installed, as
[04:13] <dzeremis>  discussed.
[04:13] <en1ggy> AAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHA -_-
[04:14] <din> hmm
[04:14] <Polah> dzeremis: I don't know about any specific CDs for reinstalling GRUB but a LiveCD/USB I could help you with.
[04:15] <dzeremis> Polah: Okay. Then I think it makes the most sense for me to go ahead and download a LiveCD or USB, so I can be in touch with you here in the channel when I reinstall GRUB after Windows.
[04:15] <gaelfx> tooo quiet, who died?
[04:15] <Singham> will anyone plz help me ?
[04:16] <Polah> Singham: what do you need help with?
[04:16] <dzeremis> gaelfx: I don't know! We were so robust for a little while.
[04:16] <dzeremis> gaelfx: I don't know! We were so robust for a little while.
[04:16] <Singham> Polah : I have a a wireless USB modem (internet working) and a modem which has wifi broadcasting service (Internet not working).Can I link my both modems so that the modem withot internet can broadcast signals of USB modem ?
[04:17]  * dzeremis so appreciates the help he has received and is going to take a short break while the LiveCD downloads. I'll be back.
[04:18] <Polah> Singham: That's called a wireless bridge. You'd need to configure the broadcaster to function as a bridge and your network connection to recognise that. I can't help you do it though, sorry.
 : So where should I ask for it ? Any idea ?
[04:19] <Polah> Singham: Here for the connection part, #networking on how to set up the bridge perhaps
 : Thanks.. :)
[04:20] <ActionParsnip> !ics
[04:23]  * dzeremis has a different problem in the meantime.
[04:23] <lapaga> hello all...is there a email program that will let you look at emails on the server without downloading them?  It does not seem that thunderbird does that
[04:23] <gaelfx> lapaga: it does, but you have to change the settings for imap
[04:24] <gaelfx> lapaga: and also make sure you're using imap, not pop
[04:24] <Linda> http://imagebin.org/170508,,,,i cant control my audio volumen in pannel any more since few hours back,does any one have any information to share about this matter
[04:24] <lapaga> gaelfx: I think  my isp is only pop but not positive - will look into it
[04:25] <dzeremis> I just realized: I can't get into any of my stuff through Nautilis (sp?) I enabled root the other day for something and now it won't let me do anything under my usual user, not even open my flash drive. What do I do to fix this? Yuck!
[04:25] <dzeremis> lapaga: IMAP is the key to that, as far as I know. Thunderbird can do IMAP. After that, I'm no expert in the options. If you are going to be looking at an e-mail, it is going to get downloaded to your computer in some fashion, because that is how it can be visible to you. But IMAP doesn't download all of them like POP.
[04:25] <gaelfx> lapaga: yeah, if it's pop only, then I think you kind of have to download them, but you should be able to set it up so that it doesn't delete the emails from the server after it downloads them
[04:25] <Polah> Evolution, the default client can use IMAP too
[04:25] <dzeremis> lapaga gaelfx Setting it up so it doesn't delete them on the server is an excellent idea.
[04:26] <Polah> Of course, to view them requires downloading anyway. Do you want the client to not delete them from the server or not store them locally?
[04:26] <dzeremis> Any of you guys have any idea why it won't open my flash drive? The thing is not corrupt. It should work.
[04:26] <dzeremis> *USB memory stick
[04:26] <dzeremis> It won't mount.
[04:27] <gaelfx> dzeremis: actually, I think it can just keep the subjects of the email without downloading the actual content until you want to view it, and then it flushes the data once you close it. Could be wrong though
[04:27] <dzeremis> Not automatically, not manually through "Nautilis." I bet it won't let me unless I go root. This is really silly.
[04:27] <Guest26025> hi
[04:27] <Guest26025> softwares is failing to get translations
[04:27] <Polah> dzeremis, now you know why we tell people not to use their root accounts (:
[04:27] <lapaga> gaelfx: dzeremis Polah well to be honest not sure...I have it set to save on server but in the windows  program I use one of the options is to view but not download...would like something like that
[04:27] <Guest26025> why is that?
[04:27] <Polah> lapaga: What do you use in Windows?
[04:28] <dzeremis> gaelfx: You're right there in some way. That all sounds very familiar. IMAP downloads the subject of e-mails but not necessarily the content. You can probably set a program to flush it. I think you're right.
[04:28] <lapaga> Polah: well my wife likes incredimail so that is what I use:)
[04:28] <ActionParsnip> you can set email clients to download only the headers...
[04:28] <gaelfx> dzeremis: it's been too long since I actually set up an email client, I'm totally rusty
[04:28] <dzeremis> Polah: I guess I just learned why. :-) There was some reason I enabled it before, to create a directory in /opt. Can I turn it off.
[04:28] <dzeremis> ?
[04:29] <dzeremis> gaelfx This is something I'm rather good at. I don't read books on it, but I can usually intuit or troubleshoot my way through it. I was setting up Thunderbird for my Gmail account last night.
[04:29] <Polah> dzeremis: I don't think disabling it will fix your problems, but doing sudo passwd -l root will lock the account again
[04:30] <dzeremis> Polah speaking of which, Thunderbird was the reason I enabled my root account. I was trying to install it manually, something I didn't know how to do, and following tutorials.
[04:30] <lapaga> ActionParsnip: yes that is how I have it set up now...just was wondering if there was a way to just view them on the server ...seems safer unless of course my head is under a rock and that is not actually happening
[04:30] <Polah> dzeremis, in future, when you want to do things as root (i.e. make a directory in opt) use sudo, don't enable and log in under root.
[04:30] <Guest26025> Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main TranslationIndex
[04:30] <Polah> dzeremis: Again, use sudo for that
[04:30] <Guest26025> why is it failing to download??
[04:30] <dzeremis> Polah Ouch, and my Ubuntu 11.04 install was working so well.
[04:30] <Polah> dzeremis: Not sure why you'd try and install it manually either when it's in the repos
[04:30] <dzeremis> Polah: for some reason, it would not allow me to do it, even with sudo. I simply had to become root for it to let me.
[04:31] <Polah> Guest26025, you're the one getting the error messages, you tell us and then we can help you fix it
[04:31] <Polah> dzeremis: sudo runs the command as root.
[04:31] <dzeremis> Polah: Stubbornness, I guess. Ubuntu Software Center downloaded a really old version of it. It took me some time to get to 6.0. I wanted to learn how to install things manually anyway.
[04:31] <Guest26025> Polah: it just fails o get translation packages from repositories
[04:32] <dzeremis> Polah: I have no idea why it would not work, but it said, "Not authorized" until I enabled root.
[04:32] <Polah> dzeremis: You have to prepend every command to run as root with sudo, not just put it at the start of the line or only once. You can use sudo -i to get an extended login as root and run commands through that until you exit
[04:33] <ex-demon> русские есть тут
[04:33] <dzeremis> Polah: don't know why, don't know how, don't know.
[04:33] <dzeremis> Ya govaru neminoga po-russky, dolka neminoga, ex-demon.
[04:33] <dzeremis> Ya lietuvis-amerikanits.
[04:33] <qin> !ru | ex-demon
[04:33] <Polah> Guest26025, oh, it's ignoring that repo. You'll need to enable it by uncommenting in /etc/apt/sources.list or through System > Administration > Software sources
[04:34] <Polah> dzeremis: Most strange and broken
[04:35] <dzeremis> Polah: I dunno. I did what you said. It says, "passwd: password expiry information changed." Is this what we want?
[04:35] <Polah> dzeremis, I think so, yes.
[04:36] <dzeremis> Why on earth did ex-demon come in here and advertise in Russian I only partially understood the existance of #ubuntu-ru? There have to be hundreds of Russian speakers in there. I am a Lithuanian descendant who is a U.S. citizen. We were under Russian occupation historically. #ubuntu-lt gets very little foot traffic.
[04:36] <dzeremis> Polah : Let me see if I can get into my flash drive. Odd side effect.
[04:36] <lapaga> now on to something out of the blue...does the fact that kernel.org was possibly compromised have anything to do with our updates?
[04:37] <dzeremis> Polah : I just tried to "eject" the drive and it said Daemon is inhibited. HUH?
[04:37] <Polah> dzeremis: sudo unmount <mountpoint>
[04:37] <Polah> then unplug it and plug it back in
[04:38] <dzeremis> Lemme try. I'm just confused why the GUI version wasn't working. I'm not sure it mounted to start with. But I'll go try and report back in just a moment.
[04:38] <Polah> Well unplug it and plug it back in anyway
[04:39] <Guest26025> Polah: it's repositories related with translations
[04:39] <dzeremis> Polah : for sudo unmount, it said that sudo: unmount: command not found. Plugging it back in after pulling it out didn't help. Am I going to have to manually mount and unmount everything?
[04:40] <dzeremis> Twelve minutes left on the LiveCD...
[04:40] <knoppies> dzeremis, umount NOT unmount
[04:40] <Polah> dzeremis, hopefully not. Also, my mistake, the command for unmounting is umount
[04:40] <dzeremis> My error in reading. Much obliged. A moment.
[04:40] <Polah> No, I put unmount the first time
[04:41] <dzeremis> Neither one works. It's not finding it. I'm using sda and sda1, how it shows up in Partition Magic, which is still open in the background. Won't mount or umount?
[04:41] <ParkerR> Wb ShapeShifter499
[04:41] <Polah> Guest26025, like I said you need to enable the PPA through /etc/apt/sources.list or Software Sources.
[04:41] <bugzs> http://darkinfo.org/phpsysinfo/ :P
[04:41] <dzeremis> Can't find /sdb in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab. Same to /sdb1.
[04:42] <dzeremis> Huh...
[04:42] <ShapeShifter499> ParkerR, hey
[04:42] <Polah> dzeremis, sdb would be a second hard drive
[04:42] <Polah> dzeremis: Good luck with your strange broken root and mounting problems, I'm sure someone else can help you better than me with that.
[04:42] <knoppies> dzeremis, I thought that /etc/fstab used UUID or something, rather than /dev/*
[04:42] <Polah> Good night everyone
[04:42] <knoppies> good night Polah, and thanks a lot.
[04:42] <Polah> knoppies: It can use UUIDs, device names, labels and probably one or two other things
[04:43] <knoppies> Polah, do you know how to add an SMB location such as //q6600.local/Backup to it?
[04:43] <dzeremis> Polah, I'm confused. I dunno. We'll see. It might fix itself. Good night and thank you for all the help!
[04:43] <dzeremis> knoppies: Welcome back!
[04:43] <[THC]AcidRain> is there a way to remove the most recent update to a package?
[04:43] <Polah> knoppies: It's possible but I don't know exactly how.
[04:43] <knoppies> dzeremis, thank you.
[04:43] <knoppies> Polah, thanks again.
[04:43] <dzeremis> knoppies: Of course. I'm glad you got home safely.
[04:44] <knoppies> dzeremis, sorry I took so long. I was trying to find the air leak in a tire, but none of our containers are big enough to put it in.
[04:44] <Polah> knoppies: Here you go http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/configure-a-system-to-automount-a-samba-share-with-etcfstab/
[04:44] <dzeremis> knoppies: It's all right. You do what you have to do. Thanks for the link. Let me look...
[04:45] <Polah> /server/sharename /mount/location smbfs <options> <dump> <pass>
[04:45] <Polah> sorry, //server/shareame
[04:45] <Polah> So you'd do //q6600.local/Backup /media/Backupshare smbfs <various options> <dump> <pass>, set options dump and pass as you see fit and change /media/Backupshare to where you want it to go
[04:46] <knoppies> thank you Pooze
[04:46] <knoppies> oh, nvm he logged out. Sorry Pooze
[04:47] <dzeremis> knoppies: Thanks very much for that link, which I will use. In the end, after quasi-success mounting and realizing that my personal files under 10.04 were encrypted, I opted for the LiveCD route, so I could reenable GRUB with you guys present. That is my goal for the evening, other than installing Windows.
[04:47] <knoppies> dzeremis, I always install windows before linux (if I duel boot) so I have never needed to fix GRUB before.
[04:47] <dzeremis> knoppies: The LiveCD is about to be finished. I will burn it onto a fresh CD, go check out 10.04 for anything useful, and then install Windows and come back to you guys via the LiveCD to reinstall GRUB. I also appreciate your down-to-earth nature.
[04:48] <knoppies> dzeremis, pleasure.
[04:48] <dzeremis> knoppies: Well, originally, my Windows installation tanked on this laptop so badly that I went Ubuntu-only with 10.04. Then I added 11.04, splitting the partition. Running Windows under VirtualBox OSE worked well for a little while, but now it's clear I just need an installation.
[04:49] <knoppies> yea, I understand.
[04:49] <dzeremis> knoppies: Since I'm no longer using the 10.04 installation, the idea is simply to wipe it out. And hey: reinstalling GRUB, I learn something. The pleasure is mine.  Just a night of learning while fixing the computer. I mainly learn when something needs to be fixed!
[04:50] <bugzs> can any one wget http://darkinfo.org/ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso testing
[04:50] <dzeremis> Okay, LiveCD ALMOST finished...
[04:50] <bugzs> testing my webserver
[04:51] <knoppies> So are you. dzeremis. I hope your burn goes well.
[04:51] <bugzs> what speeds u all geting ?
[04:51] <qin> bugzs: 10 minutes, 1.15M/s
[04:52] <bugzs> nice
[04:52] <qin> bugzs: Do I need to get whole iso?
[04:52] <bugzs> yeah
[04:53] <bugzs> i'm testing limts and what not
[04:53] <dzeremis> knoppies: I do so appreciate it. I'm about to try to burn the CD. It's nice to meet somebody else who is kind and courteous. Whatever we are, we seem to have a lot in common in personality, even over a distance. I like how you look out for your brother and are still courteous to helping me.
[04:53] <ActionParsnip> bugzs: 400k/sec here and climbing
[04:53] <ActionParsnip> bugzs: 600k/sec
[04:53] <qin> bugzs: 400K/s
[04:53] <dzeremis> knoppies: A healthy attitude of people-first while still not taking care of yourself. That's kick-ass.
[04:55] <chen> why my grub can't splash a image ?
[04:55] <lws> dzeremis: dzeremis: deep, man, deep
[04:56] <dzeremis> knoppies: Well, I was born in Atlanta, GA and grew up in the surrounding area. I am a U.S. citizen and an American but also identify as European. I'm also from a mixed Native American cultural background on my father's side of the family. My parents migrated to ATL after college.
[04:57] <[THC]AcidRain> is there any way to remove the updates of a previously updated package?
[04:57] <lws> [THC]AcidRain: you mean roll back?
[04:57] <ActionParsnip> chen: do you use nvidia / ati gpu with proprietary driver?
[04:58] <[THC]AcidRain> lws, im not sure. what do you mean by roll back?
[04:58] <dzeremis> knoppies: I've lived in the Atlanta area, Warner Robins (military town where my mother was born and I currently live), Germany near the French border, and Marin County, north of San Francisco. I identify with modern Europe but also as a European descendant, primarily Lithuanian. My grandmother was a U.S.-born Lithuanian and my mother was born in this military town with a U.S. mother of Lithuanian ethnicity at the height of the Cold War!
[04:58] <[THC]AcidRain> i have an icon theme named aw0ken. and the updates are wicked stupid. i just want my computer to look how it used to.
[04:58] <ActionParsnip> chen: do you mean you get no plymouth splash, or did you add a background inage to grub which isn't showing?
[04:58] <knoppies> dzeremis, anything to give you a hand.
[04:59] <dzeremis> lws: I'm a person of caring and philosophy, open-minded and also definite and specific. I'm into an attitude of benevolence toward other people.
[04:59] <dzeremis> knoppies: Thanks very much! Where are you from yourself?
[04:59] <lws> [THC]AcidRain: is your problem that you just installed version 2.0.1 of something, and you want to go back to version 2.0.0?
[04:59] <knoppies> dzeremis, do you know how to /msg? that is starting to become off topic.
[04:59] <blackle> how can I change my X11 keyboard layout so when I press a certain button it enters a unicode character in the same way pressing "A" enters "A"
[04:59] <[THC]AcidRain> lws, yeah. but it was done through the updates. how can i roll back?
[04:59] <dzeremis> knoppies: YES, LOL, I think I do. Why don't you message me?
[04:59] <[THC]AcidRain> i want to only "roll back" a single package though
[04:59] <knoppies> dzeremis, I did.
[04:59] <dzeremis> But it's nice to make a connection.
[04:59] <dzeremis> Yes, one moment.
[05:00] <lws> [THC]AcidRain: stand by while I google
[05:01] <lws> [THC]AcidRain: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1719075.html
[05:01] <lws> [THC]AcidRain: apparently synaptic will let you choose a particular version of a package to install
[05:01] <lws> [THC]AcidRain: so just force-install the previous version
[05:02] <lws> [THC]AcidRain: then next time you do a package update, choose to hold your icon theme package at the existing version instead of updating it
[05:04] <ActionParsnip> /j #lubuntu
[05:05] <a> hello
[05:05] <ActionParsnip> hi a
[05:05] <[THC]AcidRain> lws, great... i cant force the version. this is gay
[05:05] <Guest75127> when adding a command to /etc/rc.local, should I add before "exit 0"?
[05:05] <ActionParsnip> Guest75127: yes, anything after exit 0 won't happen
[05:06] <Guest75127> :)
[05:06] <lws> [THC]AcidRain: you could alternately find a copy of the old version of the package and install that manually
[05:06] <jamescarr> what risks do I run doing an apt-get dist-upgrade on ubuntu 9?
[05:06] <[THC]AcidRain> lws, thx for your help sir. thats what im about to attempt to do
[05:06] <lws> [THC]AcidRain: apt keeps copies of old packages, try /var/cache/apt/packages
[05:06] <ActionParsnip> jamescarr: ubuntu 9.10 and ubuntu 9.04 are no longer supported
[05:06] <ActionParsnip> jamescarr: so nothing will happen
[05:07] <jamescarr> ActionParsnip, how can I upgrade it then?
[05:07] <ActionParsnip> !upgrade | jamescarr
[05:07] <lws> [THC]AcidRain: these days double clicking a .deb file in Nautilus is enough to install it, no need for terminal comands
[05:07] <jamescarr> so I cant dist-upgrade?
[05:07] <gnomitsu> does ubuntuone sync run in background or i need to have its Control Panel open for proper operation?
[05:07] <ActionParsnip> jamescarr: you can, its a little more involved though
[05:07] <ActionParsnip> !eol | jamescarr
[05:07] <[THC]AcidRain> lws, well i fear i wont find an old copy. its the awoken icon theme. its supported by a third party repo
[05:08] <lws> [THC]AcidRain: if you've installed it previously, it will be cached on your computer
[05:08] <lws> [THC]AcidRain: provided you haven't purged your package cache, that is
[05:08] <lws> try something like "find /var/cache/apt | grep awoken"
[05:08] <daniel> I was looking at ubuntu kung fu.  It looks like it was written for ubuntu 8.4.  Will it still apply to 10.4.
[05:09] <lws> [THC]AcidRain: acutally, make that grep -i, for "case (i)nsensitive"
[05:09] <[THC]AcidRain> :) lws excellent work sir
[05:10] <[THC]AcidRain> lws, and im sending an email to the developer right now
[05:11] <lws> [THC]AcidRain: for what purpose? to get an old version of the package?
[05:11] <[THC]AcidRain> no. to tell him how horrible this new thing is. and that i wont be accepting any more updates
[05:11] <[THC]AcidRain> ive got the old package back
[05:11] <domino14> could someone please explain what this could mean? "System information disabled due to load higher than 1" when the cpu% and mem% don't add up to anything more than like 5-10% when i do ps aux?
[05:12] <domino14> why are my servers so screwed up
[05:12] <domino14> waaah
[05:12] <dooglus> domino14: IO wait?
[05:12] <[THC]AcidRain> lws, or at least i thought i did. its stuck on installing
[05:12] <domino14> domino14: i think it has to do something iwth IO yes, what does that mean?
[05:12] <domino14> my processes are at status D
[05:12] <domino14> and they just stopped writing to the log file
[05:12] <domino14> and hte whole computer is basically frozen
[05:12] <dooglus> domino14: that's disk wait i think
[05:13] <lws> [THC]AcidRain: sugest uninstall first, then reinstall
[05:13] <domino14> but what would cause a disk wait.. my processes arent that many, theyre just celery workers.. i maybe write 50 MB to disk every 3 hours or so
[05:13] <domino14> and old log files get deleted.. i dont understand
[05:13] <[THC]AcidRain> lws, i did
[05:13] <lws> [THC]AcidRain: also, before you email the developer, remember that you didn't pay anything for his work
[05:13] <domino14> if many workers are all writing to the same file, the OS should take care of switching who writes when, right? there shouldnt be a deadlock in writing?
[05:13] <lws> [THC]AcidRain: so be polite and give constructive feedback, k?
[05:13] <[THC]AcidRain> oh lol. it wasnt installing because i didnt exit senaptic
[05:14] <dooglus> domino14: right.  brb
[05:14] <lws> domino14: if there are many programs writing to the same file, you have issues
[05:14] <[THC]AcidRain> lws, i did. i told him that the folder icon was horrid and if i thought so then i was sure everyone else would. the folder from 2.1 was leet
[05:14] <jamescarr> hmmmm
[05:14] <lws> domino14: the OS doesn't take care of file locking, beyond providing the lock() mechanisms for doing so
[05:14] <lws> domino14: it's up to the application to make sure the file doesn't get trashed
[05:15] <domino14> lws: a supervisord process starts multiple celery workers, and it has a supervisor log. as far as i can see the outputs of the workers go to the log correctly
[05:15] <domino14> then after an indeterminate amount of time the entire computer just freezes
[05:15] <lws> domino14: "freezes"?
[05:15] <lws> domino14: as in hard lock, the magic-sysrq keys don't work?
[05:15] <dooglus> domino14: check what's busying the disk with 'iotop'
[05:16] <ActionParsnip> mmmmm celery
[05:16] <dooglus> domino14: does the hdd sound busy?
[05:16] <lol> sometimes after computer is 'sleeping' the graphics just get weird and I cant nothing but REISUB :(
[05:16] <lol> do
[05:16] <dooglus> did you know that typing the word 'celery' uses more calories than you get from eating it?
[05:17] <lol> even tried ctrl+alt+backspace
[05:17] <lws> lol: funny enough, sometimes that happens to me while i'm playing minecraft
[05:17] <lws> lol: i blame java! JAVA IS THE ROOT OF ALL OUR SINS
[05:17] <lol> lol
[05:17] <domino14> lws: the computer is just super slow, it says system load is higher than 1, it's not writing to the log file anymore, i do a ps and i see dozens of CRON jobs (in all uppercase), pstree just hangs, a lot of operations hang
[05:17] <lws> lol: THERE IS NO ESCAPE MAKE YOUR TIME, HA HA HA
[05:17] <domino14> dooglus: this is an AWS instance
[05:17] <ActionParsnip> lws: do you have the latest Java?
[05:17] <dooglus> domino14: this is #ubuntu...
[05:18] <lol> lws: no, the computer was doing anything it was just sleeping, and using blank screensaver
[05:18] <lol> with password to unlock
[05:18] <lol> nothing sorry
[05:18] <lws> ActionParsnip: yes, latest Sun java
[05:18] <domino14> iotop won't do anything
[05:18] <tjoy> Is oneiric at a point where it's reasonable to run services on it?
[05:18] <domino14> just hangs
[05:18] <lws> ActionParsnip: i was mainly joking about java, i believe it's actually a hardware fault
[05:18] <domino14> how do i unscrew my server
[05:19] <lws> ActionParsnip: i have strange graphical artifacts, running minecraft just happens to make the entire thing crash
[05:19] <tjoy> I know oneiric is not released, but is it still terribly unstable?
[05:19] <lol> hm!
[05:19] <ActionParsnip> lws: is your ram healthy?
[05:19] <qin> tjoy: #ubuntu+1
[05:19] <tjoy> thank you
[05:19] <lol> maybe screensaver is the problem, it freezes if I left computer sleeping for like 1hour or so
[05:19] <lws> ActionParsnip: i've not memtested recently, no
[05:19] <dooglus> tjoy: I've never found any prerelease of ubuntu to be unstable enough not to use
[05:20] <dooglus> tjoy: but I guess it depends on your tolerance for problems...
[05:20] <tjoy> fair enough
[05:20] <domino14> first of all why do i have like 100 CRON jobs that are just doing nothing?
[05:20] <dooglus> tjoy: I'd probably have switched to oneric already if I could spell it
[05:20] <domino14> this always happens before the computer becomes completely unresponsive (can't ssh into it)
[05:20] <tjoy> haha
[05:21] <lol> I did not try ctrl+atl+f1 but maybe it would work
[05:21] <domino14> anything that requires read/write from disk just won't run
[05:21] <dooglus> domino14: sounds like an application bug is causing ever-increasing disk activity until everything hangs
[05:22] <ngoumape> slt
[05:22] <lws> domino14: sounds like an application bug
[05:22] <lws> domino14: what software is causing the grief?
[05:22] <gnomitsu> does ubuntuone sync run in background or do i need to have its Control Panel open for proper operation?
[05:24] <domino14> lws: i have celeryd running tasks on this machine
[05:24] <domino14> supervisord serves to "daemonize" it
[05:24] <lol> im gonna try powersave options brb
[05:25] <_sht> Has anyone here by any chance experienced strange hardware raid (even in jbod) issues where disks will disappear from the hw raid controller?
[05:25] <_sht> in particular lsi raid
[05:26] <HaakonKL> Can someone help me with some upstart/init.c problems?
[05:26] <tjoy> _sht: i have that issue sometimes with illumos, a reboot usually solves it
[05:26] <_sht> reboots arent acceptable to fix that :P
[05:26] <tjoy> i've been using old, junky disks
[05:26] <HaakonKL> Basically, I want to ensure that apache and mysql does NOT get started on boot.
[05:26] <_sht> haha
[05:26] <lws> gnomitsu: i believe ubuntu one syncs in the background
[05:26] <tjoy> on an old, junky sas card
[05:26] <tjoy> in an old, junky server
[05:26] <tjoy> so for me they're acceptable
[05:27] <_sht> yeah see i have all brend new stuff, and it shits the bed :)
[05:27] <tjoy> tell it to lsi
[05:27] <tjoy> i guess
[05:27] <lws> gnomitsu: i don't actually use it though, ad the docs i'm finding aren't very illuminating - perhaps just try an experiment to answer your question?
[05:27] <strickly> hey ques
[05:27] <tjoy> they generally write the drivers
[05:27] <strickly> whats the release you guys recommend to be installed?
[05:27] <strickly> sorry about the simple ques
[05:27] <lws> strickly: 11.04
[05:27] <strickly> but just on a hurry and wanted some advice
[05:27] <strickly> thats the latest stable release?
[05:27] <HaakonKL> yes.
[05:27] <lws> strickly: yes
[05:27] <strickly> ok, 32 bit better?
[05:28] <lws> strickly: i generally install 32-bit, you'll hear various opinions
[05:28] <HaakonKL> Only if you don't have a 64 bit processor, or you really want to play zsnes
[05:28] <lws> strickly: but 32-bit is guaranteed to work
[05:28] <HaakonKL> lws: point.
[05:28] <gnomitsu> lws: that sounds too 'risque' for some values of 'important data'
[05:28] <strickly> right, so to be on the safe side better to stay on 32 bit
[05:28] <HaakonKL> strickly: is this on a desktop?
[05:28] <strickly> noup, for  VPS
[05:29] <strickly> for a*
[05:29] <lws> gnomitsu: plenty of other automatic backup services to be had
[05:29] <domino14> lws: it seems there is a sudden spike in disk writes shortly before the machine becomes unresponsive
[05:29] <domino14> but i cant figure out where it;s writing too
[05:29] <domino14> to*
[05:29] <lws> domino14: anything in the logs?
[05:29] <HaakonKL> Anyway, can someone tell me how to disable mysql and apache2 from starting on boot? I can't quite manage to google that.
[05:29] <domino14> which logs should i look at?
[05:29] <gnomitsu> lws: i wouldn't be recommending 'experimentation' in an official support channel
[05:29] <HaakonKL> Even a just[meanword]googleit link would be nice.
[05:29] <lws> domino14: try the everything log, hich i believe is either /var/log/messages or /var/log/everything
[05:30] <HaakonKL> I just found a forum post, but I don't have a login, so I can't view it. :(
[05:31] <HaakonKL> Can I just use the launchpad ID thingy to log on?
[05:31] <HaakonKL> Oh, yes I can. Nice
[05:33] <domino14> no clues in either of those logs.
[05:33] <pondera> question, is there away i can strip down my current install of ubuntu 11.04 and rebuild it by using someing in tasksel ?