[12:25] <salgado> kiko, https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileSBGhCf.html
[01:03] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [r=spiv]  fix bzrsync history rewriting and tighten RevisionNumber db constraints (r3533: James Henstridge)
[01:04] <kiko> cool
[01:29] <ptlo> heya. i'm viewing a launchpad page for a binary package in dapper. the action menu on the left is disabled, what does that mean?
[01:33] <ptlo> oh nvm, the package was obsoleted, i've found a newer version :)
[01:49] <kiko> and does that have a proper menu?
[01:51] <ptlo> yup. gnome-media -> gnome-media-2.0
[01:59] <ptlo> btw while i'm asking - launchpad tells me that the latest template for gimp translation is for hoary (https://launchpad.net/products/gimp/+translations)? am I missing something here?
[02:02] <kiko-zzz> hmmm, odd
[02:03] <kiko-zzz> is the domain called gimp20?
[02:03] <kiko-zzz> if so, it's because the import and export are failing
[02:03] <mdke> it's also marked "doesn't use rosetta"
[02:03] <kiko-zzz> that needs to be addressed
[02:03] <kiko-zzz> mdke, yeah, but he's talking about the translation target (which is the Ubuntu version)
[02:04] <mdke> probably it's another one of those "doesn't use rosetta but is here for wasted translations" orphans
[02:04] <ptlo> sorry, what's "domain"?  i'm not very well versed in launchpad terminology
[02:04] <mdke> oh, how confusing.
[02:04] <kiko-zzz> ptlo, domain is actually gettext terminology
[02:04] <ptlo> mdke: any sane way to provide translations for stuff that doesn't use rosetta, for inclusion in ubuntu langpack?
[02:04] <kiko-zzz> mdke, yeah, sorta
[02:04] <kiko-zzz> anyway I need to skip out
[02:04] <kiko-zzz> ptlo, write to launchpad-users if you want a written answer!
[02:05] <ptlo> kiko-zzz: thanks
[04:37] <ruffneck> http://asuka.tky.hut.fi/pub/temp/pics/makasiinien_paloa/helsinki_kannabis.jpg
[04:37] <ruffneck> lol
[04:38] <zakame> hi all
[08:43] <lalo> hey... I'm trying to reassign a product to a team, and I'm getting "not allowed"... is this the right place to cry for help?
[08:44] <lalo> I just created the team, and successfully assigned the project to it
[09:10] <lalo> OOOPS!
[09:10] <lalo> I think I found a moderately serious security bug in lp
[09:10] <lalo> any admins around?
[09:11] <lalo> stupid timezone... and it's saturday to boot :-/
[09:13] <BjornT> lalo: the best is to file a security bug in Launchpad, https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+filebug
[09:13] <lalo> thanks
[09:13] <lalo> will do
[09:14] <lalo> I was on my way to do that, just figured irc would be faster if I lucked out and found an admin :-)
[09:16] <BjornT> lalo: i think only admins can reassign a product. you could either wait for some admin to come around, or send a mail to launchpad-users (at lists.canonical.com)
[09:16] <lalo> ah, ok
[09:16] <lalo> thanks
[09:17] <lalo> it's funny that I have the option on the menu, though :-)
[09:19] <BjornT> yeah, that's a known issue. i think if it's on the menu it should at least tell you *why* you don't have access to do it.
[09:23] <lalo> when I created the project/product, I was operating in the sourceforge mental model, where projects are groups.  Only today it dawned on me that teams are a separate entity on lp, and each product can have exactly one member (or two if you add a driver)
[09:24] <lalo> anyway.   :D here I am drafting my proposal for ubuntu after thinking about yesterday
[10:55] <sivang> zakame: the one related to automated problem reports?
[10:57] <zakame> sivang: yes, although I'm currently limiting it to be semi-automatic
[10:59] <sivang> zakame: nice
[10:59] <zakame> :)
[10:59] <zakame> rocking! :D
[02:02] <seb128> hi
[02:02] <seb128> does anybody know why gst-plugins-good0.10 0.10.3-0ubuntu1 build has not been tried?
[02:35] <kiko-zzz> uhm
[02:36] <kiko-zzz> lifeless, ping ping
[02:36] <kiko-zzz> or SteveA
[02:36] <kiko-zzz> or jamesh
[02:36] <kiko-zzz> or stub
[02:36] <jamesh> hi kiko-zzz
[02:36] <stub> eh?
[02:36] <kiko-zzz> stub, jamesh: #cm
[02:37] <kiko-zzz> please, it's rather urgent
[02:37] <seb128> kiko: do you know if buildds are working atm?
[02:38] <kiko> seb128, I do not, but cprov or infinity might
[02:38] <seb128> k
[02:44] <cprov> seb128: I'm on it, buildd master is dead or so
[02:44] <seb128> cprov: thank you
[02:44] <kiko> service with a smile
[02:46] <seb128> :)
[02:51] <cprov> kiko: hey, the hanged slave-scanner process again, can you help me to debug ?
[02:51] <kiko> sure
[02:51] <kiko> what box? drescher?
[02:51] <cprov> kiko: in drescher
[02:51] <cprov> yup
[02:51] <kiko> let's see
[02:51] <kiko> okay so slave-scanner is pid 1001?
[02:52] <cprov> kiko: priv
[03:07] <kiko> jamesh, you know a bit about mailman.. is there a way to set up a list which discards /any/ subscription attempt?
[03:07] <kiko> hmmm I could disable the alias in sendmail
[03:10] <jamesh> kiko: let me check
[03:12] <jamesh> if you go "privacy options" -> "subscription rules" in the admin UI, there is a ban_list setting
[03:13] <jamesh> if you add "^.*$" it should ban everyone.
[03:13] <jamesh> I don't know what sort of email the person would receive if they tried to subscribe though
[03:14] <kiko> okay@
[03:14] <kiko> okay!
[03:14] <kiko> thanks!
[03:19] <kiko> jamesh, remind me of one thing
[03:20] <kiko> jamesh, TCP ensures that if a server on a remote port dies, the connection drops.. right?
[03:20] <kiko> meaning that if I have a socket open from process X on box A to process Y on box B then if process X dies and restarts and attaches to the same server port the original connection on process X dies (and a read() will abort, for instance)?
[03:28] <kiko> heh
[04:55] <matsubara> hey daf
[04:56] <kiko-afk> daf!
[04:56] <daf> yo :)
[04:58] <daf> I'm pushing for dbus to move to bzr for revision contorl
[04:58] <kiko-afk> wassup daffer
[04:58] <kiko-afk> rock /on/
[04:58] <daf> yeah
[04:58] <daf> LP has an import, but it seems it's a few days out of date
[04:58] <daf> what's the word on syncs?
[04:59] <kiko-afk> need to check with david or SteveA but IIRC there was an issue with them in production that jamesh was working on
[04:59] <daf> ok
[04:59] <daf> cool
[04:59] <daf> also, what does "Lifecycle Status:
[04:59] <daf> New "
[04:59] <daf> mean?
[04:59] <kiko-afk> hmmm
[04:59] <kiko-afk> not sure -- where's that?
[04:59] <daf> https://launchpad.net/people/vcs-imports/+branch/dbus/main
[05:00] <kiko-afk> The author's assessment of the branch's maturity. Mature: recommend for production use. Development: useful work that is expected to be merged eventually. Experimental: not recommended for merging yet, and maybe ever. Merged: integrated into mainline, of historical interest only. Abandoned: no longer considered relevant by the author. New: unspecified maturity.
[05:00] <kiko-afk> I wonder who wrote that <wink>
[05:01] <daf> :)
[05:01] <daf> ok, so it's arbitrary
[05:02] <daf> navigation changes are looking pretty good
[07:07] <kiko-afk> yawn
[07:07] <kiko-afk> cprov, you didn't attach your branch to the email you sent to spiv
[07:07] <kiko-afk> oh I see patch attached
[07:43] <matsubara> mpt: ping
[10:43] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Fix bug 42491 (Available milestones are incorrectly always those of the bug page's context) (r3535: Brad Bollenbach)


[02:57] <lwizardl> hi
[02:57] <lwizardl> i'm new to ubuntu servers can someone help me with static ip config (terminal)
[02:59] <lwizardl> I have settings set but i'm not sure if they are correct
[03:00] <lwizardl> iface eth0 inet static address <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> network <IP_ADDRESS> broadcast <IP_ADDRESS> gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:02] <neuralis> lwizardl: that broadcast is wrong, and the 'network' is unnecessary.
[03:03] <neuralis> you want broadcast to be <IP_ADDRESS>.
[03:03] <neuralis> in the future, please ask general ubuntu questions on #ubuntu.
[03:07] <lwizardl> neuralis: i did a few hours ago
[12:32] <joelbryan> anyone tried supplying rsync with a password?
[12:33] <spike> joelbryan: eer, you mean using a rsync server?
[12:34] <joelbryan> not using an rsync server, just fifo supplied password
[12:34] <infinity> ...
[12:34] <spike> eh?
[12:34] <infinity> You would only need a password if the remote server requires one.
[12:34] <infinity> In which case, "RSYNC_PASSWORD=foobar rsync ..." works fine.
[12:35] <spike> joelbryan: password for what? tunnelling rsync with ssh so supplying a pwd to ssh?
[12:35] <infinity> or "rsync --password-file=/path/to/file", if you don't want it in your eivnronment.
[12:35] <joelbryan> mkfifo param.fifo;  rsync file.txt user@server:/dir 0< param.fifo; echo "$password" &;
[12:35] <joelbryan> not using an rsync server
[12:35] <infinity> If tunelling over ssh, (via "rsync -e ssh ...", then you just type a password when SSH prompts you.
[12:35] <joelbryan> just plain ftp server
[12:36] <infinity> rsync has nothing to do with ftp.
[12:36] <spike> 'morning infinity
[12:36] <joelbryan> --password-file= only works with rsync servers
[12:38] <joelbryan> if the server is just plain ftp, it asks for a password, that doesn't work well with bash scripts.
[12:39] <neuralis> joelbryan: you're not making sense. ftp and rsync are totally separate concepts.
[12:39] <infinity> joelbryan: You can't rsync against an FTP server.
[12:39] <joelbryan> yes, i've tried it.
[12:39] <infinity> joelbryan: If you're doing "rsync -e ssh user@host:...", you're tunelling over SSH, and SSH will handle the password/key authenetication, not rsync.
[12:40] <infinity> Oh, clever.  If you use the "user@host:/path" construct, rsync ASSUMES "-e ssh"...
[12:41] <infinity> joelbryan: You're using SSH, you just don't know it.
[12:41] <joelbryan> ok
[12:41] <infinity> joelbryan: If you want passwordless auth, generate a keypair, and toss the public key in the remote host's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file.
[12:41] <allee> infinity: AFAIC it assumes -e rsh.  it's just that rsh defaults to ssh
[12:41] <allee> + in debian/kubuntu
[12:42] <infinity> Unless you have an actual rsh installed and change the alternative, right.
[12:43] <infinity> joelbryan: Best to explicitely specify "-e ssh" for that reason, since your script can't guarantee that "I'm blindly using rsh" will always work as expected.
[12:45] <allee> Anyone interested in commenting/testing mpich v2 pkgs (I'm working on gfortran addition) and (later) ganglia v3?  Or should I first goto #-motu?
[12:45] <joelbryan> ok, I'll try it. thanks :-)
[01:00] <neuralis> allee: there were some efforts to package ganglia v3, but it's tricky, so we decided not to for dapper
[01:03] <fabbione> allee: if the pkgs are in universe ask -motu
[01:03] <fabbione> neuralis: infinity just did a nice -server cleanup... today's images are sliiiim :)
[01:04] <neuralis> fabbione: i went and checked it out when colin posted to u-d
[01:04] <neuralis> infinity: awesome work
[01:04] <fabbione> hehe
[01:05] <neuralis> fabbione: i haven't had time to play with the 'install a LAMP server' bit; what's the extra package selection there?
[01:05] <fabbione> neuralis: apache2+php5+mysql out of the box
[01:05] <fabbione> it should just work
[01:06] <neuralis> fabbione: nice. i'll see if i can get a couple of sentences about it added to the chapter.
[01:06] <fabbione> neat
[01:06] <fabbione> now i need to find a pic of myself...
[01:06] <neuralis> fabbione: hehe, for the interview?
[01:06] <fabbione> a Linux Magasine is asking for one to add to an interview
[01:06] <fabbione> yeah
[01:07] <fabbione> they might as well play darts with it :P
[01:07] <neuralis> i think there were a bunch of your pics among the various ubz pics people had posted
[01:07] <fabbione> yeah that's for sure
[01:07] <fabbione> but i meant to find one that will look almost normal
[01:07] <neuralis> that'll be more difficult :)
[01:08] <fabbione> exactly
[01:09] <fabbione> and i can't even shoot a new one
[01:09] <fabbione> my wife did try to cut my hairs 2 days ago
[01:09] <fabbione> i look like a skinhead-nazi-whatever
[01:09] <neuralis> that's pretty hilarious
[01:09] <neuralis> is she an aspiring hairdresser?
[01:09] <fabbione> and publishing such a photo the day after the left wing of the parlament is at the italian gov again won't work
[01:10] <fabbione> no she was just pissed at me
[01:10] <neuralis> she was pissed, and you let her go that close to your head with a pair of scissors?!
[01:10] <neuralis> you must like living dangerously.. ;)
[01:12] <fabbione> she was pissed that i didn't cut my hairs for 6 weeks :) and she did use (wrongly) the machine
[01:12] <fabbione> hence the skinhead look
[01:12] <neuralis> gotcha
[01:13] <neuralis> so you know what i want? i want a launchpad module that uses bzr branches for writing a book. because the current process of writing a book with and mailing a word document back and forth with your editor is just stunningly inefficient. i want that, and a pony.
[01:14] <fabbione> ROFL
[01:24] <spike> neuralis: I was looking at something like that with latex+svn/moin+macro tex->wiki, then the editor could do corrections on the wiki and those coverted back to tex
[01:24] <spike> neuralis: but of course it depends on the complexity of tex, you cant really convert complex stuff to wiki syntax
[01:26] <neuralis> spike: i'm not talking about copy editing as much as the write-send-receive annotated-write cycle
[01:27] <neuralis> spike: currently, 'change tracking' in word gets (ab)used to do book development, and that's just idiotic.
[06:55] <spike> mmmh, do you guys know of any way to create a ram disk out of real memory and not VM?
[06:55] <spike> I dont want it to swap
[06:56] <hunger> spike: Use it... then it won't get swapped out.
[06:56] <spike> I want something I can sure about will stay in ram, whatever happens, at worst it'll be just destroyed
[06:56] <spike> I guess gpg does something like that to prevent keys being dumped to the hd,  but I'm not sure
[06:56] <hunger> spike: Why?
[06:57] <spike> why what?
[06:57] <hunger> spike: Why do you want the data destroyed but never swapped out?
[06:59] <spike> hunger: my own amusement
[06:59] <hunger> spike: Oh:-) I thought something security related maybe:-)
[07:03] <spike> hunger: well, that's where it originated , but it's just too pointless to be addressed like that, so I went with "my own amusement"
[07:03] <spike> hunger:working on extending https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedFilesystemHowto with LUKS and stuff
[07:06] <spike> hunger: and that thing just came up to my mind, but I cant really see any practical application. Yet I just remembered a couple of times me writing down pwds on files while doing stuff before moving them to the proper encrypted place, and I thought I was actually leaving traces since that file existed on the disk
[07:07] <spike> hunger: and that took me to the ramdisk that never swaps :)
[07:13] <spike> seems actually someone got a use of that :)
[07:13] <spike> http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/Ramdisk/ramdisk.html
[07:13] <spike> Why did I write this document? Because I needed to setup a 16 MB ramdisk for viewing and creating encrypted documents. I did not want the unencrypted documents to be written to any physical media on my workstation.


[14:36] <zhangxing> how can we use the jlink program norflash under linux system??
[14:38] <lool> What's jlink?
[14:38] <zhangxing> JLINK
[14:39] <zhangxing> segger company's JTAG tool
[14:39] <lool> openocd seems to know about it
[14:39] <lool> zhangxing: Are you using openocd?
[14:39] <zhangxing> a usb jtag
[14:40] <lool> I don't know whether the jlink program works under Ubuntu, it's not packaged in Ubuntu at least, but openocd might be able to use your cable
[14:40] <zhangxing> no, I just start to use the JLINK and my laptop hasn't the parallel port
[14:41] <zhangxing> I can use the JLINK for linux to connect the target board but I dont konw how to program the norflash with it
[14:42] <zhangxing> because there is a jlink tool --JFLASH ARM  which can program the norflash easily
[14:43]  * zhangxing waiting for your help...........how to use JLINK to program norflash under ubuntu system
[14:46] <kblin> zhangxing: the same as on other linux systems, I guess
[14:47] <zhangxing> but there isn't the jlink flash software
[14:49] <kblin> well, it seems like this is a windows-only piece of software
[14:51] <zhangxing> yep , and only using it we can program the norflash, and I don't know how to program norflash under linux
[14:51] <zhangxing> use some jlink command ??
[21:54] <PumaX> kimse yok mu ?


 THANKS
 i need to know hou can i active a mouse auto scroll in Kubuntu 22,10,thanks
 Hey, is the KDE 5.27 going to be in time for 23.04 or is it already frozen to 5.26
[14:19] <mparillo> The Developers were hopeful for Plasma 5.27. The beta (5.26.90) is already in the beta PPA (https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/beta?field.series_filter=lunar). Warning: I borked my LL system trying to upgrade to it, so don't try on a critical machine.
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:46] <cbreak> does anyone know how to remove kwin scripts properly? I removed them in the settings, but they still seem to have keyboard shortcut entries associated with them.
[14:49] <cbreak> kwin scripts seem to not be very reliable in general
[14:51] <cbreak> heh, seems deleting the whole kwin section in the GUI config works
 Доброе утро!
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[17:29] <ozai> hello guys, i want to remove Kubuntu to install Windows 10 21H1
[17:29] <ozai> how do i do it
[17:31] <ozai> CAN SOMEONE HELP
 you do bot need to pre-preemptively kubuntu. Use the advance window installer to remove all partitions. Then just follow the standard window install routine.
[17:41] <oerheks> any supported windows can do that automaticly, wipe whole drive.
[17:42] <oerheks> oh, he is gone
[17:54] <JMichaelX> Anyone else lose audio after a recent update in 22.04?
[17:58] <JMichaelX> Intel onboard audio, with chipset Realtek ALC888.
[17:58] <JMichaelX> It shows up in alsamixer, but in settings/pavocontrol/etc, all that can be seen is the dummy device
[18:13] <arraybolt3> JMichaelX: Can you run in a terminal `dpkg-query -s firmware-sof-signed`?
[18:13] <arraybolt3> Tell me if it says the package is installed or not (please don't paste the output!).
[18:14] <arraybolt3> If the package is not installed, you probably did something that managed to get the sound firmware uninstalled.
[18:14] <JMichaelX> Status: install ok installed
[18:15] <arraybolt3> In that event, you can run "sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop" to restore all of the default Kubuntu apps, which should include the sound firmware. Or if you purposefully removed some of the default apps, "sudo apt install kde-plasma-desktop" will only reinstall the core of Kubuntu, which should include the sound firmware. After that, reboot.
[18:15] <arraybolt3> Oh. OK, so it is installed.
[18:15] <arraybolt3> OK, let's try booting into an older kernel
[18:16] <arraybolt3> Do you know if this is a BIOS or an EFI system? You can run "ls /sys/firmware/efi" to find out - if the directory exists, it's an EFI system, if not, it's a BIOS system.
[18:16] <arraybolt3> That will affect how we boot into an older kernel.
[18:16] <oerheks> i would try to remove ~/.pulse folder and restart pulseaudio -k
[18:17] <JMichaelX> arraybolt3: apparently this is a widespread issue, effecting some for a while now. I tried booting into the previous kernel (5.15.0-60) but that did not help. i may need to install an older one
[18:17] <arraybolt3> JMichaelX: Try what oerheks suggested.
[18:17] <arraybolt3> If the device shows up in alsamixer, it probably isn't a kernel issue, I would guess.
[18:17] <arraybolt3> (Nor is it likely to be a firmware issue.)
[18:17] <JMichaelX> yes
[18:18] <JMichaelX> Ty. Will try to remove ~/.pulse
[18:20] <arraybolt3> (Sorry to have jumped to conclusions about the kernel - I've had sound issues in the past that I was sure were kernel-related and so my brain automatically went there :P)
[18:20] <oerheks> apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install --reinstall pulseaudio
[18:20] <JMichaelX> no problem. i was suspecting the kernel as well
[18:20] <oerheks> * other option, but removing the pulse folder often works
[18:30] <JMichaelX> None of that worked, but I do appreciate the suggestions. Hopefully an update will fix this in the near future
[18:31] <arraybolt3> :( Do you know what components updated when the problem occurred?
[18:31] <arraybolt3> You can try rolling back an update if it's not working right.
[18:31] <arraybolt3> (For an individual package - you can't easily rollback an entire batch of updates.)
[18:32] <arraybolt3> Also you might try creating a new user account and seeing if audio works there, to rule out the possibility of a configuration error in your user account.
[18:32] <JMichaelX> Unfortunately, I do not. I had not tried to use audio on this machine in several weeks, and do not know exactly when it happened. There are a lot of complaints about the issue online, going back several weeks. I have seen no real solutions posted
[18:32] <arraybolt3> Hmm. Were any of them Launchpad bug reports?
[18:33] <arraybolt3> Also I wonder if audio works if you boot a live ISO and use the Try Kubuntu feature - that would rule out hardware problems.
[18:34] <JMichaelX> arraybolt3: no, everything I have looked at was at askubuntu
[18:36] <JMichaelX> It *may* be the same as this?: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pipewire/+bug/2003743
[18:36] -ubottu:#kubuntu- Launchpad bug 2003743 in pipewire (Ubuntu) "Realtek ALC4080 USB audio device support" [Medium, Fix Released]
[18:36] <arraybolt3> JMichaelX: OK, wait, what version of Kubuntu is this then?
[18:37] <arraybolt3> If this happened after doing a do-release-upgrade, then it makes sense.
[18:37] <JMichaelX> I am using 22.04, but this appears to effect 22.10, too, if I understand correctly
[18:37] <arraybolt3> "dpkg-query -s pipewire"
[18:38] <JMichaelX> arraybolt3: no, I have not done a do-release-upgrae since 22.04 was released
[18:39] <JMichaelX> 0.3.48-1ubuntu3 is installed
[18:40] <arraybolt3> OK, and "dpkg-query -s pipewire-pulse"
[18:40] <arraybolt3> And "dpkg-query -s pulseaudio"
[18:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> 22.04 doesn't use pipewire for audio.
[18:40] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer[m]: Not by default, no, but some people change that (i.e., I did that once).
[18:40] <arraybolt3> (Only that was with 20.04.)
[18:41] <JMichaelX> pipewire-pulse is: 0.3.48-1ubuntu3
[18:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> Old, incomplete version of pipewire that should never have been used for audio.
[18:41] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer[m]: I'm thinking going back to Pulseaudio might be the solution.
[18:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yep.
[18:42] <JMichaelX> pulseaudio is: 1:15.99.1+dfsg1-1ubuntu2
[18:42] <arraybolt3> OK, one moment to check something...
[18:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> Remember though, Pipewire isn't just an audio server.
[18:42] <arraybolt3> (Going to make sure the next command I advise isn't destructive.)
[18:42] <JMichaelX> So I should possibly remove pipewire packages?
[18:42] <JMichaelX> lol ok
[18:42] <arraybolt3> Maybe, I'm about to find out.
[18:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> No. Just pipewire-pulse.
[18:42] <JMichaelX> ok
[18:43] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Removing the pipewire-pulse package should be all they need to do.
[18:44] <arraybolt3> (Eickmeyer is our local audio expert, and I'm sure removing pipewire-pulse won't be destructive, so +1 on removing pipewire-pulse. You can then use systemctl commands if you're impatient, or reboot if you want things to be easy.)
[18:44] <Eickmeyer> Remove pipewire-pulse and reboot should do the trick, just to be safe.
[18:44] <JMichaelX> Will remove package and reboot.  Many, many thanks!
[18:50] <Eickmeyer> Sweet.
[18:51] <arraybolt3> \o/
[18:51] <JMichaelX> I do not recall ever deliberately installing pipewire-pulse. This may well be what others are running into
[18:52]  * arraybolt3 does "apt-cache rdepends pipewire-pulse" to see what's pulling it in
[18:52] <arraybolt3> Hmm... ok on a kinetic system that didn't work :P
[18:54] <JMichaelX> https://pastebin.com/vRe3BCtE
[19:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> JMichaelX: There's about a million ways it could've happened, but the good news is that it's problem solved now.
[19:24] <user|0> how do i install kubuntu from usb? i uesd liliusb creator but nothing happens when my pc reboot
[19:25] <arraybolt3> I am not familiar with that USB creator.
[19:25] <arraybolt3> The Kubuntu ISO can be flashed directly to a USB without needing the fancy tricks some USB creators use.
[19:25] <arraybolt3> The tool I generally recommend for that is balenaEtcher.
[19:26] <arraybolt3> https://www.balena.io/etcher
[19:26] <arraybolt3> Many people also use Rufus, but I find it to be too confusing, and for best results you have to select a "DD mode" at some point during the flashing process. Etcher, on the other hand, is very straightforward and works well.
[19:29] <user|0> ok ill try thanks
[19:35] <arraybolt3> user|0: Also, you'll probably need to get to a boot menu in your system's BIOS in order to boot from the USB - just having the USB inserted at boot time usually doesn't work. Have it inserted, get to your boot menu, and then select the USB drive - that usually works.


[02:28] <wrst> howdy fastforward
[02:28] <fastforward> Good evening, fellas.
[02:28] <fastforward> How's it going?
[04:55] <Omnifrog> this place needs some organizing
[04:56] <Unit193> ...Is that where they take your organs?
[04:56] <Unit193> :D
[04:56] <Omnifrog> a bunch of introverts lurking in an IRC channel doesn't make for an active community
[04:57] <Omnifrog> heh
[04:58] <Unit193> Who said I was one of them?
[04:59] <Omnifrog> hehe
[13:54] <wrst> morning fastforward
[13:54] <fastforward> Morning, Guys.
[13:56] <wrst> how ar eyou doing?
[13:57] <fastforward> Drinking coffee, installing a dev's repo locally, rooted and ROM'd my phone and Nexus7 this weekend... so far, it's a good Monday. How are you?
[13:58] <wrst> doing good, what phone and ROM fastforward?
[13:58] <fastforward> Razr Maxx -> CM10.1
[13:58] <wrst> I love CM running it on my S3
[13:59] <wrst> I'm running the nightlies probably be getting 4.3 fairly soon
[13:59] <fastforward> I didn't know there were so many options built in!
[13:59] <fastforward> Cool. Does it check for updates or will I have to do that manually? I'm new to custom roms.
[13:59] <wrst> I love my s3 but touchwhiz is awful compared to stock android
[14:00] <wrst> fastforward: go to settings, about phone, cyanogenmod updates
[14:00] <wrst> you can change the update type if you want to live on the edge with nightlies
[14:00] <fastforward> I found it as you sent your message. :)
[14:00] <wrst> the nightlies are generally very stable but they can blow up in your face so be sure you make a nandroid backup
[14:03] <fastforward> Ok. For some reason, the Razr needs SafeStrap as a rom manager, which can do backups too. Any reason why I should use Nandroid instead?
[14:05] <wrst> no as long as you are backing up your image
[14:05] <wrst> nandroid I think is more the process of backing up your image than software... don't quote me on that however :)
[14:05] <wrst> I have done just enough of this to know that a backup is necessary, I don't do it between every nightly but once a week I do
[14:06] <fastforward> Gotcha, I thought it was an app! :)
[14:06] <fastforward> Cool. I've got my stock ROM in another partition. I'll back them both up, but as long as it doesn't completely brick it, I should be fine.
[14:07] <wrst> yeah I have had mine to the point of losing activation, you should try calling verizon and hiding the fact you are running CM :)
[14:09] <fastforward> lol, I bet.
[14:10] <fastforward> I really don't understand why they carriers feel the need to tinker with Android.
[14:10] <wrst> to lock you into their piles of crap
[14:10] <fastforward> But then again, not everyone is as tech savvy as we are... so who knows. Look how dumbed down an iPhone is.
[14:10] <wrst> I really want to rid myself of verizon
[14:10] <wrst> yes I couldn't live on an iphone
[14:10] <fastforward> I do to, but they have the best service in TN.
[14:11] <wrst> yes they do
[14:11] <wrst> US cellular in my area actually has us covered slightly better than verizon
[14:11] <fastforward> You're in Cookeville, right?
[14:11] <wrst> I may look at porting my number over to prepaid on them
[14:11] <wrst> yes
[14:11] <wrst> actually overton county
[14:11] <wrst> I'm closes to cookeville
[14:11] <wrst> *closest
[14:12] <wrst> but most of my travels take me to spotty cell areas
[14:12] <fastforward> Gotcha. I haven't been to that part of the world in a long time.
[14:12] <wrst> pretty good place to be :)
[14:12] <fastforward> My wife had ATT, couldn't get service at our house and we live in Franklin. lol
[14:12] <wrst> oh wow
[14:12] <wrst> I would have thought anything would work in franklin
[14:13] <fastforward> It does in most places, it gets sketchy in a few. I can't get away from Verizon. I go hiking and my phone still works, but that's good considering I use the GPS for waypoint marking and distance tracking, etc.
[14:14] <wrst> yes we went hiking yesterday and I didn't have service half the time and I would have with US cellular
[14:14] <fastforward> Yeah, some of my family has US cellular, I think.
[14:15] <wrst> only issue with prepaid is the phones usually suck
[14:15] <fastforward> Yup
[14:15] <wrst> I have looked at something like Ting they have good phones, but on sprint network and thats an issue for me I might as well have a landline with a good cordless phone
[14:16] <fastforward> lol. I looked at StraighTalk Mobile, but they're on TMobile and ATT. Does anyone do anything similar with Verizon?
[14:16] <wrst> yes... hmm let me try to recall...
[14:18] <wrst> I can not remember the name of one I had someone tell me about
[14:18] <fastforward> I hadn't heard of any. Boost and Cricket are not on VZW, I don't think.
[14:19] <wrst> pageplus
[14:20] <wrst> this is handy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_mobile_virtual_network_operators
[14:20] <fastforward> Ha! I just found that on CNet. :)
[14:21] <wrst> but sucky phones, I'm sure there is a way to hack a phone to work with them
[14:21] <wrst> if your selling point is powered by android 2.3 gingerbread... that's not so good
[14:21] <fastforward> Yeah, probably just have to unlock it once your contract is up.
[14:21] <fastforward> lol
[14:21] <fastforward> I don't want to go back to gingerbread.
[14:21] <wrst> no way
[14:22] <wrst> gingerbread is like running windows 95
[14:22] <fastforward> 800x600 CRT for life...
[14:22] <wrst> ha ha you can't beat it!
[14:23] <wrst> I remember rushing out and buying windows ME so glad I'm over those days :)
[14:23] <fastforward> I hated ME.
[14:23] <wrst> the installer crashed several times of course before I got it installed I should have taken that as a hint
[14:24] <fastforward> Windows was my first, but Linux is my true love.
[14:24] <wrst> I use windows at work but everything at home is some for of *nix
[14:25] <wrst> have a freenas file server, laptop/desktop is arch, phone is android, the wife has macbook and an iphone, well not for sure what hte iphone is
[14:25] <wrst> but the rest is some form of *nix
[14:25] <fastforward> I have been here long enough that they let me do whatever I want as long as I can still do my work and be compliant with company policy.
[14:25] <fastforward> My wife has an iPhone and MacBook Pro as well. Funny how that works. :)
[14:25] <wrst> our accounting software is depending on windows
[14:26] <wrst> *dependent
[14:26] <wrst> fastforward: yes apple is more evil probably but at least I don't have to mess with it all the time
[14:27] <fastforward> I actually decided to get the MacBook Pr, but she had a white MacBook and loves Mac. I like it better than Windows but I still love Linux.
[14:28] <fastforward> I have to dual boot Windows to run our security scan/pen test software.
[14:52] <fastforward> wrst: are you pretty big into open source software outside of Linux?
[14:54] <wrst> yes I prefer to run open source when at all possible
[14:55] <wrst> I keep a win7 VM for times when I need it at home which is rare but every now and then need to test something out
[15:00] <fastforward> Same here. I thought about getting a VPS with Linode and running ownCloud instead of DropBox. Open Source has come a long way in the past 10 years and I've been impressed with tools like ownCloud.
[15:01] <wrst> fastforward: look into digital ocean if you are interested not as robust as linode but for running owncloud works awesome, I'm doing that currently
[15:05] <fastforward> That looks awesome. The problem with cloud hosting is that it's hard to determine cost. Looks like Digital Ocean has simplified it quite a bit.
[15:08] <fastforward> I don't see an option to upgrade disk space without upgrading plans, though. I have about 30GB of backups (music, vids, pics) and would like to have 50GB
[15:08] <fastforward> of storage with the lower hardware.
[15:21] <netritious> howdy
[15:23] <wrst> netritious: !
[15:23] <wrst> fastforward: ahh that could be an issue for me the 20GB is plenty to run my quassel-core and owncloud
[15:24] <wrst> and for 5 bucks a month I can't afford to run my own box at home not to mention the fat pipe they have
[15:24] <wrst> netritious: how are things?
[15:24] <netritious> hey wrst! going good bud, how about yourself?
[15:24] <wrst> doing well trying to get monday mayhem taken care of :)
[15:26] <netritious> monday's....we could all do without them heh
[15:28] <netritious> so I read ubuntu forums had been haxor'ed
[15:32] <wrst> yes netritious very lovely
[15:35] <fastforward> Funny to see people blaming Linux as the fault for the hack and not the software. Those Apple guys... /smh
[15:36] <fastforward> *the forum software
[15:37] <fastforward> wrst: I'll have to look if I can trim down my data. I liked having my music in the cloud, because I can just setup the client and sync to any machine. That's almost 20GB alone.
[15:39] <wrst> that's more like 40 GB for me so I don't attempt it, I do back it up using crashplan however
[15:39] <wrst> and believe it or not that is legally obtained music... many years
[15:39] <wrst> fastforward: adn I think the forums was that they have not kep things updated correctly if I'm not mistaken?
[15:41] <fastforward> Yes, that is my understanding, the forums (don't remember the platform) was just outdated. Doesn't look good, either way.
[15:41] <wrst> you can't blame linux for bad system administration
[15:45] <fastforward> Nope. But fanboys don't want to see it that way.
[15:45] <wrst> no but fanboys are fanboys for a reason
[15:46] <wrst> and does anyone use a mac server for anything?
[15:46] <fastforward> I have some friends who use them for recording, mainly because you have to get the Mac Pro to get enough horsepower to process the audio quickly.
[15:47] <netritious> yeah companies where employees insist on using apple computers have mac servers, /some/ do
[15:47] <netritious> usually the marketing dept.
[15:47] <netritious> sometimes publishing dept.
[15:48] <fastforward> Our marketing, design and graphics ppl have iMacs.
[15:48] <netritious> do they use a mac server for backups or anything?
[15:48] <fastforward> I guess a Mac Pro doesn't automatically some with Mac Server
[15:49] <fastforward> No, they use DropBox.
[15:50] <netritious> my wife is in a marketing dept where she is the only one with a PC lol
[15:51] <fastforward> That's funny, my wife is in marketing too. She's the only one in Marketing and has an iMac. I'm the only one in the whole office on Linux.
[15:52] <netritious> no linux at my wife's work place....like, /none/ at all
[15:52] <fastforward> That's sad. Linux makes the world a better place.
[15:52] <wrst> fastforward: yeah for recording I can see that but for your typical workhorse stuff... and for my messing around the house audio recording linux does way more than I need, but I'm a billion miles from anything professional
[15:53] <netritious> I have no love for Macs beyond the hardware.
[15:54] <netritious> wrst: you've been using Linux for a while now for recording, correct?
[15:54] <fastforward> Apple's Logic Pro is really amazing, Pro Tools is great as well. I use Aperture for photography stuff on the Mac, but that's about it.
[15:56] <netritious> I operated a Mac for a friend that had Logic Pro 7....it wasn't terrible
[15:56] <wrst> netritious: just a hobby level at best, ardour is pretty good stuff
[15:59] <fastforward> I hadn't heard of Ardour. I'll have to check it out. Looks slick.
[15:59] <netritious> personally I don't have a preference for audio recording...they all do pretty much the same thing.
[16:00] <fastforward> I've only used Audacity in the past.
[16:00] <netritious> my brother who does quite a bit of home recording prefers the Steinberg stuff, but it came free with his outboard Zoom USB "thingamabob"
[16:01] <netritious> it's like a mixer/8-track recorder/some other neat things
[16:02] <fastforward> Some of the guys I used to go to church with used Steinberg's Cubase
[16:02] <netritious> yeah that's it...Cubase
[16:02] <fastforward> That's all I know about it. :) I'd like something I could run on a decent laptop and record a sermon with.
[16:03] <fastforward> Then edit it as needed. Audacity is a bit cumbersome to edit with.
[16:03] <fastforward> Or maybe I just don't know what I'm doing!
[16:04] <netritious> sometimes you wonder, right? It took me a good while to get my head wrapped around mac+logic pro.
[16:04] <netritious> was pretty much the last time I used any recording software
[16:06] <netritious> off-topic...pre-ordered a parrella board.
[16:07] <netritious> whoops ...parallella
[16:09] <netritious> I wonder how that will do with recording
[16:12] <netritious> I would've been a kickstarter backer but thought it was more vaporware....sounded to good to be true
[16:14] <elijah-mbp> scrolling back up - reading about storage / dropbox - our latest answer at work is "use manta"
[16:14] <elijah-mbp> but we make that, so.... it's obvious.  :)
[16:18] <netritious> elijah-mbp: you work with node.js?
[16:45] <netritious> elijah-mbp: what I mean to say is do you write node.js servers?
[17:35] <fastforward> I think I just bricked my Razr...
[17:55] <fastforward> False alarm... just crashed my CM10 install... stock ROM is fine. It's amazing how you heart can jump up in your throat so quickly over a phone. :)
[18:19] <elijah-mbp> netritious: we do tons of nodejs at $WORK.  i read node code a lot better than i ever plan to write it :)
[18:28] <netritious> elijah-mbp: nice. ever heard of what.js? web UI based on node.js+extjs. Think it's abandoned now though.
[18:31] <netritious> use to be hosted at joynet/node.js
[18:49] <netritious> hey chris4585
[18:52] <netritious> so niece called recently saying she's installing windows 7 on her laptop before shipping off to college next year.
[18:53] <netritious> not next year, agh..this year, and like a month from now or so
[18:54] <netritious> anyway she had xp, i installed ubuntu around new years and the one thing she uses just doesn't work...cheap usb graphics tablet.
[18:56] <netritious> and a few moderately priced graphics tabletss purchased afterward in hopes that something worked.
[18:58] <netritious> so that's my bad ubuntu news... the good news is friends of the family are now on year three...family of four, recycled pc, etc.
[18:58] <netritious> probably <$100-125 bucks invested in everything.
[18:58] <netritious> ^^on ubuntu
[18:58] <wrst> netritious: that's cool
[19:00] <wrst> My last little project was a raspberry pi for my parents they had a printer that they needed wireless, instant wireless print server
[19:01] <netritious> nice one wrst
[19:01] <netritious> which printer is used for the print server?
[19:01] <wrst> its an old HP of some sort, would have been cheaper likely to have bought a wifi printer after buying ink for the thing but they like it so you know how that goes
[19:02] <netritious> yeah
[19:02] <wrst> its a scanner, they use it to make copies
[19:03] <netritious> ah cool. mine is hooked up to the "family PC" which I use for recording tv/cable via WMC
[19:04] <wrst> I love the pis for single use machines, I have thought about it as a file server
[19:04] <netritious> pis are neat
[19:04] <wrst> I'm currently using an old desktop running freenas, upgraded the hardware to use ZFS but I think that is likely overkill
[19:07] <netritious> i played with mine off and on one day and found myself waiting forever for, well, everything. to slow for my hobbies. the pi I mean.
[19:09] <wrst> oh yeah netritious its not a box for doine well much of anything, single printserver works great, irc server ok for that security camera, but I view them as unitask devices at best
[19:12] <netritious> I'm a little bit of a hardware snob, at least for my own personal uses. I think that's ok though (says the totally biased guy in the room)
[19:13] <netritious> But really, I think computing tasks should take as little time as possible -- in general.
[19:13] <netritious> Now for educational/hobby/single purpose units they are perfect. Mostly. lol
[19:13] <wrst> oh yeah its not something I would want to sit in front of and use all do long but for some uses its perfect in that it uses very little power, wouldn't make since for me to run a dual/quad/octo core machine for my parents to have access to a printer all the time
[19:14] <netritious> why I mentioned the parallella^^
[19:14] <netritious> looks like something that /can be/ used "normally"
[19:15] <wrst> interesting
[19:16] <netritious> replacement for the traditional PC is here
[19:19] <netritious> now, from my very limited android device usage (three phones, several tablets, etc) dual core makes a huge difference in terms of general response latency.
[19:20] <netritious> add a 16 or 64-core co-processor...
[19:21] <netritious> then stack them up...
[19:22] <wrst> yes on phones for sure my SIII i can tell a huge difference
[19:22] <netritious> guess what the recommended os for the parallella is wrst?
[19:23] <wrst> Ubuntu I think, but I have sorta cheated as I have been looking at their website
[19:49] <netritious> :)
[19:51] <wrst> looks interesting


[10:48] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
 Hi, high 5 to all who worked on Kubuntu 20.04! Great release as always :)
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/EB0FGgoI/file_28195.mp4
 @RikMills, These are now in backports ppa
 ^ valorie ;)
 wheeeeee,  smooth scrolling in Okular :)
[19:06] <santa_> good evening vietnam
[19:07] <santa_> RikMills: FYI I'm going to prepare one of my build servers (groomlake) for groovy
[19:07] <santa_> also maybe we should roll frameworks to focal backports
[19:15] <valorie> how long will you do backports for focal?
[19:16] <santa_> it's in staging so I hope to test today and meybe kopying to -landing if Rik agrees
[19:16] <valorie> RikMills: I missed the first bit of what you said about backports -- what's in it?
[19:16]  * valorie has no more focal machines
[19:16] <santa_> valorie: some 20.04 apps
[19:16] <valorie> oh neato!
[19:16] <valorie> that's what I was hoping for
[19:16] <santa_> I have millions and millions of VMs
[19:16] <valorie> :-)
[19:17] <valorie> might be some VMs, yes
[19:19] <santa_> oh by the way I'm very glad about that result of the covid test
[19:19] <santa_> I hope you are safe and healthy :)
[19:21] <valorie> still in some pain, but better every day
[19:22] <valorie> and thank you
[19:32] <valorie> backport acquired
[19:32] <valorie> :-)
[19:32] <valorie> thank you RikMills and santa_ for all your work this cycle


[14:59] <diddledani> daftykins: that military stuff. dissident suppression, or?
[15:00] <diddledani> aah, private militia
[17:33] <davef> Weather be crazy here. Nearly hit -20C yesterday, today is about -1C, tomorrow will be -23C.
[17:42] <zxmpi> currently 7c here in dublin
[17:43] <zxmpi> has been a cold week but starting to warm a little
[17:43] <diddledani> bouncy bouncy
[17:50] <davef> "cold"


[15:54] <mkdalm> hi
[15:55] <mkdalm> any one in there
[15:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> !ask | mkdalm
[16:01] <mkdalm> Can i install ubuntu 19 on a 32 bit computer?
[16:06] <oerheks> mkdalm, 16.04 gives i386, 18.04 stopped with 32 bit images
[22:35] <OvenWerks> oerheks: as a note, installing 16.04 as 32bit and upgrading... at least to 19.10
[22:50] <corshmock> OvenWerks: 19.10?  Should you not go for 18.04?
[22:52] <OvenWerks> 19.10 has a number of upgrades to 18.04, but 18.04 would be fine too... anything to go beyond 16.04. 18.04 is how far the backports go back
[22:53] <OvenWerks> In the long term I will have to look at another distro I think that deals with 32 bit
[22:54] <OvenWerks> I have some perfectly good hw that is 32 bit...
[22:54] <JackFrost> Debian comes to mind.
[22:55] <OvenWerks> I'll see where that is in a few years when 18.04 gets to eol
[22:56] <OvenWerks>  A lot of debians stable stuff is quite old.
[23:09] <JackFrost> Fun fact: Debian stable is newer than 18.04...


[00:48] <dashua> SiDi: Heya
[00:48] <SiDi> hi ^^
[00:49] <dashua> Confirmed :)
[00:49] <dashua> Sorry, I didn't see it =/
[00:50] <SiDi> hehe :P
[00:51] <dashua> Wow.  Up to almost 7000 downloads and a piss poor rating
[00:51] <dashua> That just doesn't seem right
[00:51] <dashua> In just over a month, damn saboteurs
[00:53] <SiDi> Well, i personally vote down any cursor theme generated by a dirty script
[00:53] <SiDi> but apart from that i usually dont vote down much
[00:54] <SiDi> i think its not worth much anyways
[00:54] <SiDi> there are total pieces of crap with over 85%
[00:54] <SiDi> just because its a pale copy of windows or macos
[00:54] <dashua> Hey SiDi, I tried out moblin and it's pretty damn cool, just no broadcom yet
[00:54] <SiDi> oh, didnt have the time for that yet :p
[00:54] <SiDi> neither got the netbook
[00:54] <dashua> Yeah, if it looks like OSX or Windows it gets good ratings
[00:55] <dashua> I really like the interface
[00:55] <dashua> Much better than UNR
[00:55] <dashua> For a netbook
[00:59] <dashua> I just tried a live USB
[00:59] <SiDi> ah
[00:59] <SiDi> i killed an USB key like that
[00:59] <SiDi> wrote on its mbr when trying to restore grub x_x
[00:59] <dashua> Damn
[01:01] <SiDi> ping
[01:01] <SiDi> IRC died..
[01:02] <dashua> SiDi: ping
[01:03] <SiDi> ty
[01:07] <SiDi> damn gmail
[01:07] <SiDi> my gmail theme goes red after 2 AM
[01:07] <SiDi> to ensure i go bed x_x
[01:07] <dashua> That's cool
[01:10] <SiDi> i wanna code
[01:11] <SiDi> coded a daemon for volume notifications in xubuntu
[01:11] <SiDi> adding some code to make sure it syncs the track/card to watch with xfce4-mixer
[01:12] <dashua> You're getting some nice work done on notifications for xubuntu
[01:12] <dashua> I really should try it on my netbook
[01:12] <SiDi> Indeed you should :D
[01:12] <dashua> I bet it runs like a dream
[01:12] <SiDi> Of course :D
[01:12] <dashua> I just really need compiz
[01:13] <SiDi> it boots in 2 secs, and 4 on a pentium II (i lie)
[01:13] <SiDi> ah
[01:13] <dashua> Wow
[01:13] <SiDi> compiz doesnt use xfwm4, so i dont use compiz
[01:13] <SiDi> (actually xubuntu is longer to load than ubuntu x_x theres a bug in xfce 4.6.0 that was discovered too late and that isnt fixed yet)
[01:13] <SiDi> (but its more reactive afterwards :p)
[01:14] <dashua> Well, Jaunty boots in about 16 seconds on my SSD ext4
[01:14] <dashua> Pretty quick
[01:15] <dashua> XPS is actually pretty fast too, but a regular hd
[01:19] <SiDi> XPS ?
[01:19] <SiDi> 16, yeh :P
[01:20] <dashua> Dell m1530 laptop
[01:20] <dashua> 16 is the netbook
[01:29] <SiDi> Okey :)
[01:29] <SiDi> i rewrote my code twice and it still works wtf :/
[01:30] <knome> haha
[01:33] <SiDi> well
[01:33] <SiDi> still crashes when switching sound card though
[01:35] <knome> meh
[01:49] <SiDi> good night knome
[01:54] <knome> night SiDi :)
[16:52] <macvr> wow what a quiet room !
[16:52] <macvr> kwwii: hi... free?
[16:53] <SiDi> working people, here ! :p
[16:53] <macvr> SiDi: guess u are not among those working!
[16:53] <kwwii> macvr: hi
[16:53] <SiDi> macvr, cleanin the xubuntu wiki actually
[16:53] <kwwii> actually, I was heading out in a few minutes...it has been somewhat quite today
[16:54] <macvr> kwwii: did u have time to check the nm icon i sent in the mail... its just a rough mockup , but would ubuntu be interested in that design?
[16:55] <macvr> guess i caught u just in time!
[16:56] <kwwii> macvr: hrm, I can't find that email...was it to me personaly?
[16:56] <kwwii> or is it on the list?
[16:56] <macvr> nope i sent it as a reply on the list... wait let me find it..
[16:57] <rigobot> hi all!...if i have a suggestion for an icon, is there a place to put the svg/png proposed?
[16:57] <kwwii> macvr: I found it
[16:57] <SiDi> macvr, the one to convince is _MMA_ btw :) he's the Breathe guru
[16:58] <SiDi> macvr, use the Submissions page with the template too, its _really_ easier to find the pics back
[16:58] <SiDi> rigobot, for Breathe ?
[16:58] <SiDi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions
[16:58] <rigobot> yes,sorry
[16:58] <macvr> SiDi: now i'v moved to a higher goal! targetting ubuntu!
[16:58] <kwwii> macvr: they still seem to large to me (they fill up too much of the vertical space) and a bit to rough still
[16:58] <macvr> SiDi: i'm not sure breathe would be interested in greyscale :( ,
[16:58] <rigobot> Sidi: thank
[16:59] <kwwii> macvr: I like the idea but I am not sure if the rounded bars can work like that
[16:59] <kwwii> I am guessing that they need to be more rounded
[16:59] <kwwii> and/or thinner
[16:59] <macvr> kwwii: they are lagre , it was just a rough mockup... i tried to get it to u yday, so pretty rough.. :(
[17:00] <kwwii> currently we are using horizontal lines in the icons for notifications so these would not fit with that any more
[17:01] <kwwii> if you add these to breathe be sure to add icons for the notificaitons which also match
[17:02] <macvr> kwwii: they do need to get thinner, i'll try to get something, with that shape? is it fine as design shape? also i found it was better getting the curve displayed if done at the 128px , rather than a 22px...
[17:02] <kwwii> well, in the end the icons will only be shown at 22x22 pixels so that is the one you have to worry about
[17:03] <SiDi> hi thorwil
[17:03] <thorwil> hi all
[17:03] <kwwii> hi thorwil
[17:03] <macvr> kwwii: yup, its just the icon scale down better and have a decent shape for some reason, will try ...
[17:05] <macvr> kwwii: will get back if i have something decent to show :)
[17:05] <kwwii> macvr: cool, happy drawing ;)
[17:07] <macvr> :)
[17:18] <thorwil> http://jimmac.musichall.cz/log/?p=569
[17:19] <kwwii> lol, are they still trying to sell that?
[17:20]  * kwwii heads out to the biergarten...bbl
[17:43]  * SiDi had a keyboard revolt :/
[17:56] <SiDi> Am i allowed to love the current Breathe icon and be upset at all those current efforts to get rid of it ?
[18:19] <thorwil> SiDi, you mean the folder icon? no, you are not :p
[18:21] <SiDi> Grr :[