[17:49] <heath> Frederick: are you running full color>
[17:49] <tsb> amarok (amarokcollectionscanner) is hanging and even a kill -9 won't terminate it. Any alternatives besides a reboot here?
[17:49] <Frederick> heath: im not sure how do I check?
[17:50] <heath> color depth should be 24
[17:50] <heath> are you using restricted drivers or standard X
[17:50] <Frederick> where do I set it in kubuntu?
[17:50] <Frederick> I think restricted drivers
[17:50] <heath> tsb lsof | grep amarock
[17:50] <Frederick> nvidia driver
[17:51] <heath> Frederick: goto server settings in the nvidia manager and check the X Server display
[17:51] <Frederick> I dont have it
[17:51] <heath> Frederick: you do not have nvidia-settings?
[17:51] <Frederick> no
[17:52] <heath> Frederick: in konsole type cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:52] <heath> tsb: you still hung up
[17:53] <Frederick> heath: I know xorg what do I need to edit there?
[17:53] <baka> ok, another question
[17:53] <heath> you should have a default depth and it shopuld be 24
[17:53] <baka> my sound isnt working now
[17:53] <mot> question
[17:53] <mot> i just reinstalled xp
[17:54] <mot> and then i booted into my kubuntu live cd and reinstalled grub
[17:54] <baka> was working the first time i booted up kubuntu
[17:54] <mot> however when i rebooted just now, my machine still went straight to windows
[17:54] <mot> any suggestions?
[17:54] <heath> baka: what device is kmix reporting?
[17:54] <heath> mot: install neogrub in windows
[17:54] <Frederick> heath: no it isnt
[17:54] <genii> mot: chroot before you install grub
[17:54] <baka> it says HDA Intel at the bottom of the window
[17:54] <mot> i think i see what i did wrong
[17:54] <genii> !intelhda | baka
[17:54] <ubotu> baka: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[17:55] <mot> i did setup(hd0,1) install of hd0
[17:55] <heath> Frederick: you have no depth listed?
[17:55] <Frederick> heath: exactly
[17:56] <heath> what driver is listed?
[17:56] <rohanrhu> how is konqueror become a default file browser
[17:57] <JackWinter> any recs for a good email client.  i'd prefer something that could integrate email/news/blogs?  would be cool if it had builtin support for anonymous remailers too..
[17:57] <Odd-rationale> JackWinter: I like kmail
[17:57] <Frederick> heath: no driver listed I assume it isusing nv
[17:58] <heath> Frederick: is this a new install?
[17:58] <heath> or did the problem just start
[17:58] <Frederick> new install
[17:59] <Frederick> im installing nvidia-glx-new
[17:59] <heath> you may want to try dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-org
[17:59] <Frederick> heath: already tried
[17:59] <heath> strange.... have you installed restricted drivers
[17:59] <Frederick> heath: no
[17:59] <heath> what is the video card
[18:00] <Frederick> geforce 88000
[18:00] <Frederick> geforce 8800
[18:00] <heath> you may want to install the restricted drivers or use envy
[18:00] <Frederick> restricted
[18:01] <heath> although I would think you should still have a driver listed in your xorg.conf
[18:01] <heath> can you pastebin your xorg.conf file
[18:01] <Frederick> heath: sure
[18:02] <Frederick> http://pastey.net/86332
[18:03] <Frederick> I will re-start x oki?
[18:03] <heath> Frederick: it looks like ubuntu does not know the card
[18:03] <Frederick> brb
[18:04] <tsb> heath: sorry I was afk; I'm getting "lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/tsb/.gvfs \n Output may be incomplete" and then uh, still waiting..
[18:04] <heath> tsb: ctl+c that and sudo it
[18:04] <heath> it = lsof command
[18:05] <tsb> heath: hah, now the lsof process hangs and is defunced and I can't kill it
[18:05] <heath> sounds like you got some good stuff going on over there
[18:05] <heath> are you in a gui??
[18:06] <tsb> heath: yes, my kde seems to be working pretty well
[18:06] <heath> tsb: did you try ksysgaurd?
[18:07] <dwidmann> tsb: kill -9
[18:07] <tsb> heath: I did not. Tried it just now, didn't work.
[18:08] <heath> you'll have to kill all processes with amarock on it
[18:08] <Frederick> heath: the driverturned all terrible
[18:08] <heath> kill pid
[18:08] <Frederick> does not work :/
[18:08] <dwidmann> tsb: (kill -9 PID = defunct process killer)
[18:08] <heath> Frederick: I would get envy and let it compile the invidia drive
[18:08] <Frederick> oki I gtg I come back later
[18:08] <tsb> dwidmann: yes I am aware of that, the point is it is not working.
[18:08] <Frederick> heath: thanks a lot I will try it later
[18:09] <heath> peace out
[18:09] <heath> tsb: lsof | grep amarock returned all of that?
[18:10] <tsb> heath: that was the output of sudo lsof|grep amarok > lsof.txt
[18:10] <Frederick> heath: do I install envyng?
[18:10] <tsb> Frederick: http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[18:11] <heath> Frederick: what ubuntu version are you using?
[18:11] <Frederick> 8.01
[18:12]  * tsb wonders if he really needs keytouchd
[18:12] <heath> Frederick: lsb_release -a
[18:13] <Frederick> Ubuntu 8.04
[18:13] <tsb> ah screw it, I'll just reboot.
[18:13] <heath> Frederick: then you will need EnvyNG
[18:13] <Frederick> oki im installing it
[18:13] <Frederick> thx folks I come back later
[18:13] <heath> Frederick: make sure to read and follow the directions!!!!!!!!
[18:14] <heath> tsb: are you rebooting?  I thought you meant reboot into windows
[18:16] <tsb> hehe, no
[18:16] <heath> tsb: trying killing all amarock pid first
[18:17] <tsb> heath: there's only two, I've tried killing them both as superuser
[18:17] <heath> kill 27633
[18:17] <tsb> heath: pstree reports amarokcollection as a child of init nothing else..
[18:17] <tsb> I've already smoked it heath
[18:17] <heath> kill 18859
[18:18] <heath> kill 6087
[18:18] <heath> kill 10266
[18:18] <heath> kill 16515
[18:18] <heath> still no luck ahh
[18:20] <tsb> heath: refresh
[18:21] <tsb> heath: that is the output now (the warnings were there before I just didn't redirect stderr)
[18:22] <heath> tsb: refresh?
[18:22] <tsb> heath: yeah, ctrl+r the url
[18:23] <heath> tsb: it downloaded into kate then I closed it.. let me find it
[18:24] <Teo-> i have changed the terminal icon.. how can i restore it to its default ?
[18:24] <heath> tsb: can you give me that url again
[18:27] <tsb`> tsb.mine.nu:6667 #chat
[18:27] <tsb> that sure is many libraries by the way
[18:27] <tsb> o.O
[18:28] <tsb> like, why would amarokcollectionscanner need libGL.so
[18:29] <heath> tsb: is your collection on a network or local?
[18:30] <tsb> heath: locally actually; it was on both but it was pretty unstable so I removed the networked collection. I don't remember when, however it is not unlikely that it happened in the same X-session (I've a pretty long uptime now)
[18:30] <Trolloc> tsb: technically, it doesn't...  I think it's time to kill the session...
[18:31] <Trolloc> oh.. its because it links to amaroklib for some reason
[18:31] <tsb> Trolloc: the thing uses ~110 libraries.. quite a bit for a scanner.
[18:31] <tsb> heath: right, will do!
[18:34] <tsb> okay I'm out of X now, one of the processes still won't die
[18:35] <tsb> actually both
[18:36] <dwidmann> tsb: which ones?
[18:36] <tsb> amarokcollectionscanner still won't die
[18:37] <tsb> dwidmann: both of them that is
[18:37] <tsb> I guess this is fuse-related
[18:38] <dwidmann> tsb: will "kill -9 `pidof amarokcollectionscanner`" work?
[18:38] <tsb> ah, sshfs dwidmann no.
[18:39] <tsb> heath: voila! sshfs went nuts after I logged out; after I killed it, amarokcollectionscanner went away as well
[18:39] <dwidmann> tsb: sshfs is okay, but it is far from perfect, probably better to use nfs if you can.
[18:39] <tsb> heath: (as in 100% cpu usage and a 7.4 load avg)
[18:40] <tsb> dwidmann: I've heard nothing but bad things about it (from a security standpoint)
[18:40] <tsb> One second.
[18:43] <tsb> back
[18:43] <tsb> about nfs; really?
[18:43] <heath> tsb: awsome
[18:47] <tsb> heath: yep :)
[18:47] <tsb> thanks
[18:48] <ScorpKing> hi guys. my souncard just stopped working and my tvcard can't find any channels. here is the output of lshw for multimedia - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64118/ - any ideas?
[18:49] <tsb> About NFS; I thought it was pretty much dead because of all the issues with it? To tell you the truth I never tried it
[18:49]  * ScorpKing loves nfs..
[18:50] <a1b2c3d4> hello!
[18:50] <Gioacchino> hello
[18:50] <Gioacchino> some one know the firts mirror which will have kubuntu 8.04 ?
[18:51] <a1b2c3d4> don't know...
[18:53] <tsb> I'm guessing amarok perhaps would play nicer with my collection over nfs than sshfs?
[18:56] <tsb> how is nfsv4 doing? seems rather dead..
[18:56] <sigma_1234> hardy is due out tomorrow hey?
[18:57] <Odd-rationale> sigma_1234: yes
[18:57] <Odd-rationale> sigma_1234: join the release party @ #ubuntu-release-party
[18:57] <siofwolves> i'm not getting the 'Version Upgrade button' appear in adept, as specified -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[18:58] <sigma_1234> yay cant wait to try it out. not that gutsy had any problems in the first case
[19:01] <flo_> hi, wie kann ich in einer konosle ein programm starten? z.b. firefox install
[19:01] <ScorpKing> !de | flo_
[19:01] <ubotu> flo_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[19:01] <sigma_1234> !info de
[19:01] <ubotu> Package de does not exist in gutsy
[19:04] <jetsaredim> what happened to the stock ubuntu mouse cursors?
[19:05] <dwidmann> Hey ScorpKing
[19:06] <ScorpKing> hey dwidmann :)
[19:06] <dwidmann> tsb: amarok collections play great over nfs, actually, that's like 1/2 the reason I use nfs
[19:07] <dwidmann> jetsaredim: ?? I haven't noticed a change recently ...
[19:07] <tsb> dwidmann: great. I've had mixed results with it using sshfs. Do you have the scan for changes thing activated?
[19:07] <dwidmann> tsb: Umm, I think I do.
[19:07] <tsb> dwidmann: I'm on a 20mbit/1mbit line, should be enough..
[19:07] <jetsaredim> dwidmann: do you know what package the standard cursor theme comes in?
[19:07] <tsb> dwidmann: okay, I'll give it a go. are you using v3 or v4?
[19:08] <dwidmann> jetsaredim: you should have multiple cursor schemes available, try changing it in system settings -> mouse
[19:08] <dwidmann> tsb: v3
[19:08] <dwidmann> tsb: might change  over to v4 later for better security, but this is working fine for me for now
[19:08] <jetsaredim> dwidmann: yea - nothing there listed for ubuntu
[19:08] <jetsaredim> i could have sworn that on stock install there is an ubuntu mouse theme
[19:09] <dwidmann> jetsaredim: I think it's just linked to something else though, take a look through them
[19:09] <dwidmann> jetsaredim: find one that looks like it and go with it
[19:09] <jetsaredim> DMZ
[19:09] <jetsaredim> found it on another machine
[19:09] <dwidmann> jetsaredim: maybe default?
[19:09] <dwidmann> jetsaredim: ah
[19:10] <jetsaredim> that's odd - it was totally gone
[19:10] <dwidmann> Ooh, some of the oxygen cursor schemes look nice
[19:11] <jetsaredim> ok - that is really odd
[19:11] <dwidmann> brb, logging out/,logging back in to try the black oxygen theme
[19:11] <jetsaredim> something in my kde config must have still been pointing to using that theme
[19:11] <jetsaredim> cause once I installed it - went back into the config menus and it was already auto-selected
[19:11] <jetsaredim> odd
[19:11] <jetsaredim> ok thanks
[19:12] <dwidmann> Hmmmmmm, not too bad
 Ok, I'm being dense but I'm trying to stream a Live365 .pls on my box but I can't seem to get the program to accept it
[19:19] <Kiry> I drilled down to amarokui.rc and tried to get it to open the file but no joy
[19:23] <dwidmann> Kiry: try vlc?
[19:24] <Kiry> for streaming music?
[19:27] <stefan_> hi
[19:28] <stefan_> is it possible to code a kde app (gui) only in c (not c++) and without the using gtk+?
[19:29] <stdin> then with what toolkit?
[19:30] <stefan_> stdin: i am looking for a toolkit/library that works without c++
[19:30] <dwidmann> Kiry: yes.
[19:30] <stdin> maybe the plain old X libs
[19:30] <stdin> but the KDE libs use C++ as does Qt
[19:31] <stefan_> stdin: gtk+ and qt .. use xlibs, right?
[19:31] <stdin> stefan_: in the guts, yeah
[19:31] <stefan_> ic
[19:32] <stefan_> so it is possible to write an application with all features just using xlibs even for gnome and kde?
[19:32] <stdin> stefan_: any reason you don't want to use c++ or even gtk?
[19:32] <Kiry> ok, but how do I get vlc to accept the stream?
[19:33] <stefan_> stdin: i have to set up a matrix for some languages/GUIs/OSses what libraries exist for what combination
[19:33] <stefan_> stdin: i dont really want to develop in c :)
[19:34] <kblin> hi folks
[19:34] <kblin> is there a particular reason why sudo needs to resolve the hostname?
[19:36] <stdin> stefan_: without using one of the toolkits like Qt, GTK, FLTK etc, writing a pure X app is difficult and requires a deep understanding of how X works
[19:36] <ere4si> kblin: yes - it is actually   user@host      that sudo uses
[19:36] <kblin> ah, great. then I just broke my install :)
[19:36] <stefan_> stdin: i see, so noone would use pure xlib?
[19:37] <ere4si> kblin: what happened?
[19:37] <stdin> stefan_: not really, at least not these days
[19:38] <kblin> ere4si: I did a "sudo hostname newname" without putting the new name into /etc/hosts first
[19:38] <katswaio> Hi all
[19:38] <stdin> stefan_: you could probably create a plain white square on the screen with Xlibs semi-easily, but anything that requires user input would be insanely complex ;)
[19:39] <ere4si> kblin: if you boot into rescue mode you fix that
[19:39] <stefan_> ok thanks
[19:40] <katswaio> I have this wierd problem since I updated to Kubuntu 8.04 Beta two days ago:
[19:40] <stdin> katswaio: #ubuntu+1 is the hardy support channel
[19:40] <katswaio> the backlight brightness keeps resetting to 100% every now and then
[19:40] <kblin> ere4si: I know. I was more surprised than hurt :)
[19:40] <katswaio> anyone else had this issue?
[19:41] <stdin> katswaio: ask in the hardy channel
[19:41] <ere4si> kblin: :) heh - I did something similar the other day
[19:41] <katswaio> KVIrc 2.1.3 'Renaissance'
[19:42] <katswaio> stdin: ok, thanks
[19:42] <Dutiona> hello
[19:43] <bz029>  UBUNTU, followed guide for APACHE, SSL, SVN. I am getting a 403 forbidden error, but my permissions appear to be correct. PLEASE HELP! Here is the PASTEBIN: http://www.pastebin.ca/994167
[19:44] <ScorpKing> !caps
[19:44] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[19:45] <venik> when is 8.04 officially out?
[19:45] <Dutiona> 28
[19:45] <Boohbah> venik: nobody knows, but sometime today
[19:46] <venik> ok
[19:46] <stdin> you can help test final candidates http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[19:46] <ScorpKing> tomorrow for me. 24th
[19:46] <venik> I tried to upgrade through the network, but ADEPT refused to cooperate
[19:46] <BluesKaj> official release is april 24 , which is tomorrow in my timezone
[19:47] <Dutiona> yep 24 sorry
[19:47] <stdin> get all your support question out of the way now, because tomorrow you'll have no change ;)
[19:48] <venik> I am having trouble mounting a USB external hard drive
[19:48] <BluesKaj> but i tried the latest RC and I'm sticking with 7.10 until they solve the 3D and DRI prob with ATI cards ...dunno why the restricted driver isn't used in Hardy :P
[19:48] <dwidmann> stdin: Isn't it a little too late for testing those anyway?
[19:49] <Boohbah> venik: what mount command are you using?
[19:49] <coreymon77> venik: you mean a usb key, or an actual external drive?
[19:49] <venik> sudo mount -a
[19:49] <stdin> dwidmann: no, we can change the ISO right up until the hour they're released
[19:49] <Boohbah> venik: does the drive support usb mass storage?
[19:49] <venik> I mean an actual hard drive
[19:49] <coreymon77> okay
[19:49] <venik> I have been using it for many months, but lost it
[19:49] <venik> or rather, Kubuntu lost it
[19:50] <dwidmann> stdin: Think about it though, how long does it take to get a response out of launchpad? Could be days until a problem would be realized if there was one
[19:51] <Dutiona> venik did you try a "manual" mount ?
[19:51] <stdin> dwidmann: the Kubuntu team control the ISO and when it builds, not Launchpad
[19:51] <dwidmann> stdin: yes, but where would you likely be reporting problems?
[19:51] <stdin> dwidmann: on the QA tracking page
[19:52] <dwidmann> hmm
[19:52] <dwidmann> interesting
[19:52] <Boohbah> venik: do you know which package you installed to break it? maybe dbus?
[19:52] <venik> Dutions-- I am not sure what you mean by a manual mount: I tried mounting with the mount -a from the terminal, and also using mountman.  Neither worked
[19:52] <dwidmann> I think I'll test the x86_64 alternate, but I can only pull off that kind of download in the middle of the night :(
[19:53] <venik> I am told that the /dev/sdd1 does not exist
[19:53] <_ZeuZ_> venik: cat /prov/partitions
[19:53] <Boohbah> venik: i remember my drive names changed recently too.. that is probably the same thing that broke your external drive
[19:53] <stdin> dwidmann: if you want to make sure any issues get attention, there's nothing stopping you from sending them to the kubuntu-devel mailing list too ;)
[19:54] <_ZeuZ_> venik: cat /proc/partitions and check the name of the device there
[19:54] <stdin> venik: what does "sudo fdisk -l" show ? (pastebin)
[19:54] <_ZeuZ_> check it from the sice
[19:54] <_ZeuZ_> or take stdin alternative, wich would be the same in the end
[19:54] <stdin> but nicely formatted :p
[19:55] <_ZeuZ_> lol, performance over visuals ;)
[19:55] <venik> Neither command shows an sdd1 device, which is what the USB ex. drive used to be
[19:56] <stdin> any other disks shown?
[19:56] <venik> yes
[19:56] <venik> all the other ones
[19:56] <_ZeuZ_> venik: we know that, we want to know what is listed, to know wich is the new name for your device
[19:56] <stdin> so nothing you don't recognise that  could be it?
[19:57] <_ZeuZ_> check them taking in count the sizes
[19:57] <stdin> and compare against "mount" so see what's already mounted
[19:57] <venik> I recognize all the partitions, and neither of them is the 500 gb USB ex. drive
[19:58] <stdin> ok, try unplugging it and then do "tail -F /var/log/syslog", then plug it in and see what that prints
[19:59] <ScorpKing> stdin: will it not show up in /dev/disk/by-<xxx>?
[19:59] <_ZeuZ_> ScorpKing, it should..
[19:59] <stdin> ScorpKing: normally yes, but if fdisk isn't showing it then probably not
[20:00] <ScorpKing> stdin: ah ok. dmesg it is then
[20:00] <mefisto__> has anyone tried KToon in kubuntu? Wondering if the version in repos is functioning OK
[20:00] <stdin> yeah, syslog (which has dmesg) should print it's device when it's inserted
[20:01] <venik> stdin-- it seem to notice that I unplugged and replugged it (the tail stuff, that is)
[20:01] <stdin> what information was shown? can you post it to pastebin?
[20:02] <venik> Sorry-- how do u post to pastebin?
[20:02] <stdin> !paste
[20:02] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[20:02] <stdin> just go to that url ^ and paste it
[20:02] <stdin> then post the URL back here after sending it
[20:03] <venik> It is now in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64125/
[20:04] <venik> the USB ex. hard drive is plugged into a USB hub
[20:04] <venik> I shall also paste my fstab
[20:04] <stdin> hmm, it's not recognising it as a drive
[20:05] <venik> fstab is in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64126/
[20:06] <venik> it is formatted as vfat
[20:06] <venik> I wanted to put it into fstab as uuid, but did not know how to do that
[20:07] <K`zan> Morning all, how can I replace Dolphin with konqueror, I really find dolphin obnoxious :-(.
[20:08] <stdin> !dolphin | K`zan
[20:08] <ubotu> K`zan: Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[20:08] <venik> can't you simply uninstall Dolphin?
[20:10] <tarantas> iron maiden ακους
[20:10] <K`zan> ubotu: Thank you VERY much, I personally really dislike D3lpin :-) a LOT.  Much it just does wrong when one is used to using konqueror as a file manager.
[20:10] <stdin> venik: it sees a device added, but it's not seeing it as a storage device for some reason. does anything happen if you try "sudo modprobe usb-storage" ?
[20:10] <K`zan> Thank you VERY much, I personally really dislike D3lpin :-) a LOT.  Much it just does wrong when one is used to using konqueror as a file manager.
[20:11] <kopote> hola
[20:11] <venik> stdin-- it just freezes.  THe prompt never returns
[20:11] <nosrednaekim> hey kopote
[20:12] <stdin> venik: does Ctrl-C bring the prompt back?
[20:13] <kopote> como esta
[20:13] <stdin> !es
[20:13] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:14] <venik> yes-- Cntrl-c brings it back
[20:14] <kopote> hello
[20:14] <stdin> venik: look at "tail /var/log/syslog" again, is there anything new there?
[20:15] <SmokeIT_> hey, I have a dual boot xp/kubuntu using grub, and now i cant boot my xp anymore, after the loading screen from xp the screen just go's black
[20:15] <venik> one second
[20:15] <kopote> who thankyou very much
[20:15] <SmokeIT_> does anybody know if i can fix it in kubuntu?
[20:16] <nosrednaekim> SmokeIT_: go to #windows
[20:16] <kopote> ok
[20:16] <mefisto__> nosrednaekim: sounds like a grub problem to me
[20:16] <nosrednaekim> if it gives a windows splash?
[20:16] <K`zan> SmokeIT_: I think you are going to need a wincrap boot disk or CD and then run fixmbr.
[20:17] <K`zan> Or just add it to grub ?!?
[20:18] <stdin> venik: I have to go afk for a while, but I'm sure someone else in here can take over for a while
[20:18] <SmokeIT_> nosredneakim:  I'm sorry but i'm not that advancesd in linux and i dont kwite know what you mean
[20:19] <nosrednaekim> SmokeIT_: did XP used to work with dual boot?
[20:19] <SmokeIT_> yes
[20:19] <nosrednaekim> ok, then its a windows problem..... which we do not fix here
[20:20] <SmokeIT_> oh ok
[20:20] <SmokeIT_> thx anyways
[20:21] <mefisto__> SmokeIT_: does windows begin booting at all? or do you get absolutely nothing after choosing it in grub menu?
[20:22] <SmokeIT_> mefisto: i do get the loading screen from windows xp and then the screen just goes black
[20:24] <mefisto__> SmokeIT_: then it is a problem with windows as nosrednaekim said. The #windows channel or google might help, or reinstall windows, then reinstall grub to get dual boot working again
[20:24] <ScorpKing> SmokeIT_: when windows boot press <F8> and select "enable vga mode". if that doesn't help run a dskchk and if it still doesn't work ask in #windows
[20:24] <JackWinter> is there an utility to view smart data from a hdd?
[20:25] <cecko> hi all, my cpu is Pentium M (centrino) shouldn't I have linux-image-386 instead of linux-image-generic?
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... smartmontools IIRC
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> !smart
[20:25] <ubotu> smart is another meta-package manager available for Ubuntu. It's quite stable, uses APT's repositories, can handle mirrors/multiple-connections, and is supposed to make Ubuntu BiArch-compatible. See http://labix.org/smart and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SmartPackageManager
[20:28] <spiroo>  How do I get write permissions for a file? I am trying to change files in one user home dir from another, but I getting denied all the time.
[20:29] <JackWinter> nosrednaekim: are there gui interfaces for them.  just apt-got them but don't find them in the K-menu ?
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> nah...no gui :)
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> and I forget the exact command
[20:30] <white_eagle> I need the qt libraries (I removed them unintentionally) so can you tell me exactly which packages do I need to install?
[20:30] <white_eagle> I am using gnome ofcourse
[20:30] <white_eagle> I am asking this in here, because I know that QT is connected to KDE
[20:30] <ere4si> !qt
[20:30] <ubotu> Qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI. Install the libqt3-mt-dev package to compile Qt applications
[20:31] <white_eagle> so, what packages
[20:31] <white_eagle> libqt3?
[20:32] <firethrace> hi  all
[20:32] <JackWinter> nosrednaekim: would smart-notifier be something?  says it's only for gtk, does that mean it is only for gnome?
[20:33] <nosrednaekim> you can run it in KDE no problem
[20:34] <nosrednaekim> (and gtk app)
[20:34] <nosrednaekim> *any
[20:34] <nosrednaekim> white_eagle: yes, libqt3
[20:38] <venik> stdin-- sorry-- work got in the way
[20:42] <irko> hello
[20:43] <Jsn0327> What is the difference between ext2 and ext3?  Is one of these the linux_83 partition type?
[20:43] <ere4si> white_eagle: ext3 has journalling
[20:43] <ere4si> oops
[20:44] <ere4si> ext3 has journalling
[20:44] <coreymon77> they are both unix partition types
[20:44] <coreymon77> ext3 is a little newer, and as ere said, has journaling
[20:44] <Jsn0327> what is journaling?
[20:45] <Jsn0327> which one is linux_83?
[20:45] <coreymon77> um, linux_83? im not sure what you mean
[20:46] <JackWinter> nosrednaekim: thanks, got to read the data from the command line.  didn't figure out how the gui works ;)
[20:46] <nosrednaekim> :)
[20:46] <nosrednaekim> CLI FTW :)
[20:46] <corporateMusk> Jsn0327 Journaling is a technique to keep track of whats going on with the disk in case of a crash or other unexpected event, you are less likely to have corrupt data. in a nutshell
[20:48] <coreymon77> Jsn0327: aka, its a safety net for your data in case something goes wrong
[20:48] <Jsn0327> well i'm trying to partition a MMC card.  in the tutorial it says to use sfdisk threw terminal with " /dev/mmcblk0p2:15001,, (this is a ~1.5MB Linux_83 partition) "  but i decided to use GParted instead and it doesn't have this option as a partition type.  Only ext 2 ext 3 and swap for linux partitions
[20:49] <Jsn0327> so should i use ext 2 or ext 3 for this partition?
[20:49] <coreymon77> umm, arent mmc cards those memory cards that cell phones use?
[20:50] <Jsn0327> yeah this is for my nokia n810
[20:50] <coreymon77> not meaning to be rude or anything
[20:50] <coreymon77> but what possible use could you have to partition that thing
[20:50] <Vermux> why when Im trying to change screen resolution to 1024x768 it doesnt change, and then it is going back to 1280x1024?
[20:50] <coreymon77> isnt it small enough already
[20:51] <Jsn0327> i'm trying to intsall kde to my nokia n810.  It is a 2 gig card.  I need 1.5 gigs for the file system and the other 500 for storage
[20:52] <coreymon77> wow, im not so sure im the right person to be asking that
[20:53] <coreymon77> i dont know much about linux on cell phones
[20:53] <Jsn0327> it's not a cell phone it's an internet tablet
[20:53] <Jsn0327> thats cool though, i'll just create an ext 2 to be on the safe side
[20:53] <Jsn0327> do you know how to use sfdisk to add a boot flag to a partition?
[20:54] <nosrednaekim> Jsn0327: definately the wrong channel for this
[20:54] <coreymon77> no, not really
[20:54] <coreymon77> this isnt exactly a kubuntu question
[20:54] <Jsn0327> lol. what version is kde up to? 4.01?
[20:55] <coreymon77> .03 acutally
[20:56] <Jsn0327> wow.  has file sharing options been implemented in the system settings yet?  I know that 4.0 was a complete rewrite
[20:56] <coreymon77> again, not a kubuntu question
[20:57] <xoqa> i could restart and my sound would be working.. but i'd prefer not to.. how to see what
[20:57] <xoqa> 's using my sound card and stop the process
[20:58] <gromozekin> hi there
[20:58] <gromozekin> i v got one question
[20:58] <xoqa> oi gromozekin
[20:58] <coreymon77> hey there gromozekin
[20:59] <gromozekin> is it real to upgrade from gutsy up to 8 04 without downloading cd)
[20:59] <theadmin> hello
[20:59] <gromozekin> yep
[20:59] <gromozekin> and is this upgrade available now
[20:59] <gromozekin> )
[20:59] <gromozekin> apt-get dist-upgrade ??
[20:59] <theadmin> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1)  fails to work.  help?
[20:59] <gromozekin> or how
[20:59] <gromozekin> nvidia scum
[21:00] <gromozekin> sorry
[21:00] <gromozekin> )
[21:00] <theadmin> gromozekin: yeah I cant wait to play doom3 on that open source GFX that have performance of riva TNT 32 MB, and costs 1500 usd =)
[21:00] <gromozekin> hehe
[21:00] <gromozekin> i prefer ati
[21:01] <gromozekin> but they have some troubles with drivers but. amd openned some specs of ati)
[21:01] <coreymon77> gromozekin: dont use dist-upgrade
[21:01] <coreymon77> !upgrade
[21:01] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[21:01] <gromozekin> damn
[21:01] <coreymon77> take a look at that
[21:01] <gromozekin> ok thx
[21:02] <Coggz> having trouble with a fresh kubuntu install. PRoblem comes here: used to be a mandriva box, and i am using same user name and the same home partition, just changed / mount
[21:02] <gromozekin> Mandriva suck moar
[21:03] <gromozekin> Use Debian/Kubuntu or Slackware)
[21:03] <Coggz> when i boot, it says "could not start kstartupconfig. Check your installation"
[21:03] <gromozekin> only
[21:03] <Coggz> i know,
[21:03] <coreymon77> gromozekin: he is using kubuntu
[21:03] <gromozekin> )
[21:03] <Coggz> that is all i use on 2 laptops, 2 pcs...
[21:03] <Coggz> tablet pc
[21:03] <coreymon77> Coggz: so, what exactly is the issue?
[21:04] <gromozekin> on pc i use debian etch and on one laptop kubuntu and on other slackware
[21:04] <Coggz> kde will not open up, as i think it has kde sessions from mandriva
[21:04] <coreymon77> well, heres the issue with that
[21:04] <coreymon77> the kde that kubuntu uses is a little different than the kde that most other distros use
[21:05] <coreymon77> therefore, i dont think it will be possible to use the mandriva partition to run kubuntu
[21:05] <Coggz> right, so how do i delete kde temp/cache files?
[21:05] <AssociateX> Hello people
[21:05] <Coggz> hiu
[21:05] <coreymon77> what do you mean by you are using the same user?
[21:06] <mefisto__> coreymon77: what's wrong with using dist-upgrade?
[21:06] <coreymon77> mefisto__: there are better ways of doing an upgrade
[21:06] <coreymon77> mefisto__: im usually all for cli, but dist upgrade has caused to many problems on my end
[21:06] <Coggz> old username = luke new username = luke, so all the home files are shared and permissions are screwed :[
[21:07] <coreymon77> that would be a big problem
[21:07] <Coggz> yes
[21:07] <Coggz> i know
[21:07] <coreymon77> i think you might have to whipe out your home and start completely fresh
[21:07] <Coggz> bollox...
[21:07] <AssociateX> I don't think so
[21:07] <coreymon77> that would be the simplest solution i can think of
[21:07] <AssociateX> add the same user with the same user number
[21:07] <coreymon77> but there are probably people here that know more than me on this topic
[21:07] <Coggz> ok... any less destructive options?
[21:08] <Coggz> thanks for the input
[21:08] <mefisto__> coreymon77: you mean using adept to upgrade is less problematic? It's never quite worked for me
[21:08] <Coggz> i know!!!
[21:09] <coreymon77> ive personally had less issues with an adept upgrade than i have with dist-upgrade
[21:09] <Coggz> make a new user called coggz (my nick) then re permission all files to moi,
[21:09] <Coggz> would that work?
[21:09] <coreymon77> if you knew how to do it, it might
[21:10] <Coggz> yes, how do i create a new user in cli... next brick wall
[21:10] <AssociateX> yeah, that would be good to, just chown the whole /home/your_user_name dir to what you need
[21:11] <x_link> Hi!
[21:11] <x_link> When will the final release of Kubuntu 8.04 be released?
[21:11] <Coggz> yes, but how do i make a new user? im not tip top on cli
[21:11] <AssociateX> adduser or useradd
[21:11] <coreymon77> im sorry, this isnt really my area of expertise when it comes to linux, i dont think i can help much coggz
[21:12] <Coggz> thats fine, thanks for the help so far, i appreciate the help
[21:12] <JackWinter> i did an adept version upgrade yesterday.  no problems as far as i can see...
[21:12] <x_link> Anybody?
[21:12] <Coggz> !hardy
[21:12] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Support in #ubuntu+1 - Come join the #ubuntu-release-party now!
[21:12] <coreymon77> x_link: soon
[21:12] <AssociateX>  useradd -m (username)
[21:12] <Coggz> 1 day
[21:13] <x_link> Coggz: Ohh nice =)
[21:13] <x_link> Tomorrow then =)
[21:13] <JackWinter> i think it was relased already, if you go to ubuntu.com
[21:13] <x_link> JackWinter: But not the final release?
[21:13] <Coggz> !useradd
[21:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about useradd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:13] <coreymon77> JackWinter: ya, maybe ubuntu hardy has, but not kubuntu
[21:13] <coreymon77> just wait a day
[21:14] <AssociateX> Coggz: maybe it's useradd on your disrto
[21:14] <JackWinter> ok, could be.  thought it happened at the same time ;)
[21:15] <theadmin> does ubuntu support GeForce 8600 GT?  (64 bit, ubuntu 7.10)
[21:16] <Coggz> urmm, i have the user coggz, but i dont know the pass, i ran sudo useradd -m coggz
[21:16] <Coggz> root pass doesn't work, blank doesnt
[21:16] <AssociateX> Coggz: you don't know your root password?
[21:16] <venik> Jack-- how did you get Adept to offer the option of Version Upgrade?  I tried but that option was not available
[21:16] <Coggz> yes
[21:17] <Coggz> but i dont know the pass for the user i just created
[21:18] <AssociateX> "passwd coggz" and set it
[21:18] <Coggz> aha, thanks
[21:18] <gromozekin> to venik - same
[21:18] <AssociateX> np
[21:18] <gromozekin> so
[21:18] <gromozekin> really
[21:18] <gromozekin> how to upgrade through Adept Manager
[21:18] <Vermux> why the resolution cannot be changed to 1024x768?
[21:18] <gromozekin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[21:18] <gromozekin> vermux check out modline
[21:19] <AssociateX> any former gentoo users here? I'm wondering what you like about kubuntu over gentoo, thanks
[21:19] <gromozekin> vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:19] <gromozekin> for example
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> AssociateX: I've tried GEntoo, mostly what I like is when I want an app, I get it instalantly without haveing to compile it
[21:19] <gromozekin> but be careful
[21:19] <gromozekin> make backup
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> AssociateX: along with the best automatic hardware and suspend support in Linux
[21:20] <Coggz> wooo, im logged in. now for permissions
[21:21] <AssociateX> nosrednaekim: cool, how do you like the package managing system for kubuntu?
[21:21] <venik> Gromo-- this requires the Alternate CD.  I was looking to update through the network, which is how I did it from Feisty to Gutsy
[21:21] <AssociateX> Coggz: permissions for what?
[21:21] <gromozekin> damn
[21:22] <Coggz> files, dont worry
[21:23] <AssociateX> chown -R coggz /home/coggz
[21:23] <Vermux> gromozekin: the Version Update doesnt appear after I fetch updates
[21:23] <nosrednaekim> AssociateX: almost never had a problem...... and upgrading from gutsy to hardy was smooth as could be
[21:23] <Coggz> dont worry, i know how to do this bit, lol
[21:24] <JackWinter> i don"t remember am a noob;)  maybe I'm even lying.  maybe i did with apt-get...
[21:25] <AssociateX> nosrednaekim: I have to cook some food now, bbl , thanks for the info
[21:25] <nosrednaekim> ok
[21:27] <Vermux> is the new version of kubuntu is ready?
[21:27] <Coggz> !hardy
[21:27] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Support in #ubuntu+1 - Come join the #ubuntu-release-party now!
[21:28] <Vermux> will it fix the resolution problems?
[21:30] <lovely> why do you think, that with w32codecs installed, I still get only a blue screen on tvideos?
[21:30] <gromozekin> w not neccesary
[21:30] <lovely> gromozekin: huh?
[21:30] <gromozekin> huh
[21:30] <gromozekin> thanks кончил
[21:31] <lovely> gromozekin: ahh
[21:31] <Vermux> will the new version fix the screen resolution problems? currently it cannot be changed much
[21:31] <gromozekin> yeap
[21:32] <sourcemaker_> does kopete supports skype?
[21:32] <gromozekin> no
[21:33] <Daisuke_Ido> no, but skype supports skype
[21:35] <lovely> why do you think, that with w32codecs installed, I still get only a blue screen on tvideos?
[21:36] <ernie> I'm trying to upgrade my kubuntu to Hardy, following the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu and I never see a "version Upgrade" button. Do I have to wait for the final release?
[21:37] <gromozekin> Welcome to our club of those who cant find this damn button
[21:37] <gromozekin> ))
[21:38] <ernie> great
[21:39] <nosrednaekim> I just did it ont he command line
[21:39] <ernie> what's the command?
[21:41] <BluesKaj> lovely, what kind of videos , dvd , avi or... ?
[21:42] <nosrednaekim> replace every gutsy in /etc/apt/sources.list with hardy, run "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[21:42] <lovely> BluesKaj: windows media, mainly online vidios, but also .mov  files from my camera
[21:42] <ernie> thanks
[21:43] <Penner> hi guys! i have a (hopefully) tiny little question
[21:43] <nosrednaekim> ok
[21:44] <venik> stdin, any new insights into the USB drive issue?
[21:44] <Penner> i am running kubuntu 8.04 in a vertual machine under winXP. everything works fine so far but the wheel of my mouse is not working. i have a 5 button mouse
[21:44] <Penner> btw, i am total noob :)
[21:45] <nosrednaekim> Penner: its probably the Virtual machine program
[21:45] <genii> !buttons
[21:45] <Penner> any ideas ow to fix it?
[21:45] <Coggz> is it hard to put gnome with kde?
[21:45] <Penner> *how
[21:45] <nosrednaekim> Coggz: simple
[21:46] <nosrednaekim> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[21:46] <Coggz> will it screw me?
[21:46] <nosrednaekim> no
[21:46] <Daisuke_Ido> err
[21:46] <Coggz> no splash issues?
[21:47] <Daisuke_Ido> aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[21:47] <genii> Penner: Perhaps see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28374
[21:47] <Daisuke_Ido> (just in case you want to remove it cleanly later)
[21:47] <venik> can you also say "aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop" and still keep kde?
[21:47] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: right.. so you can remove it :)
[21:47] <Daisuke_Ido> that's how i should have installed kde4 :D
[21:47] <Penner> genii: thx, i will have a look there
[21:47] <Coggz> so should i apt-get or aptitiude?
[21:49] <venik> Aptitude is newer, but for some reason the geeks always use apt-get in their examples and suggestions
[21:49] <BluesKaj> lovely, try installing kubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:49] <genii> Coggz: Whichever you prefer. But if you install with apt-get, remove with apt-get. If you install with aptitude, remove with aptitude.  Etc
[21:49] <lovely> BluesKaj: with apt-get
[21:49] <lovely> ?
[21:49] <Coggz> ok...
[21:49] <Daisuke_Ido> venik, creatures of habit, you know...
[21:49] <venik> indeed
[21:50] <Coggz> so aptitude is better?
[21:50] <Coggz> will all my programs work
[21:51] <lovely> BluesKaj: thanks
[21:51] <Daisuke_Ido> aptitude and apt-get are essentially the same
[21:51] <Daisuke_Ido> aptitude just has better dependency tracking
[21:51] <Coggz> ok,
[21:52] <Coggz> really?
[21:52] <Coggz> ok
[21:52] <Daisuke_Ido> they will both install the same thing, nothing you have now will be disturbed
[21:52] <Daisuke_Ido> (actually, i think it might install gdm as default and change the usplash)
[21:52] <Daisuke_Ido> but nothing drastic
[21:52] <Coggz> i dont really care about that
[21:53] <Daisuke_Ido> then you're fine
[21:53] <Coggz> 794mb is a tad excessive...lol
[21:54] <Daisuke_Ido> well, you're installing the whole thing
[21:55] <Coggz> what is liboobs? is it a pron manager?
[21:55] <Coggz> lol
[21:56] <Daisuke_Ido> no, that would be hot-babe
[21:56] <Daisuke_Ido> (don't believe me?  look it up :D)
[21:56] <Coggz> lol
[21:56] <AssociateX> what is the kubuntu package manager called?
[21:57] <Coggz> what about, python-sexy? and libsexy2
[21:57] <inigoalonso> adept?
[21:57] <Coggz> synaptic
[21:57] <Daisuke_Ido> adept_manager
[21:57] <Daisuke_Ido> synaptic is gtk (and a whole lot more stable)
[21:58] <Coggz> i love synaptic
[21:58] <lovely> BluesKaj: no love dr. jones
[21:59] <BluesKaj> which media player , lovely ?
[22:00] <lovely> BluesKaj: i am using firefox with I think the kaffine plug in, trying to watch some NOVA  shows
[22:01] <AssociateX> should I just be reading the Ubuntu docs for my Kubuntu questions? It's my first day here.
[22:01] <gromozekin> hate stupid suspend
[22:01] <DreadKnight> AssociateX: adept_manager
[22:01] <gromozekin> guyz
[22:01] <AssociateX> thank you
[22:01] <gromozekin> how to upgrade my kernel with apt-get?
[22:03] <BluesKaj> oh lovely , web content ..make sure you have flashplugin-nonfree, and xine for mozillainstalled as well
[22:09] <lovely> BluesKaj: xine for mozilla... thats (I hope) is the ticket
[22:11] <coggz> !hardy
[22:11] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Support in #ubuntu+1 - Come join the #ubuntu-release-party now!
[22:11] <lovely> BluesKaj: still no love, I will kill firefox and restart
[22:11] <flipstar> !installhardy
[22:11] <ubotu> Every time you install hardy, Hobbsee pokes a kitten with the long pointy stick of doom!
[22:11] <stdin> heh
[22:12] <kblin> uh, cool
[22:12]  * kblin goes to install some more hardy boxes
[22:13] <rakan> Hello, anyone know when the final release would be? we are in 24 of april :D
[22:13] <rakan> it's been 13 minutes so far
[22:13] <rakan> so it should be out by now :D
[22:13] <lovely> BluesKaj: no love
[22:13] <Daisuke_Ido> rakan, be a little patient
[22:13] <crimsun> please don't ask, because we don't know until we know.
[22:13] <stdin> rakan: /join #ubuntu-release-party
[22:14] <lovely> BluesKaj:  I am on a fresh upgrade to gusty gibbon.
[22:21] <matteo> !list
[22:21] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[22:22] <AndreSantos> when is kubuntu 8.04 going to be available for updates?
[22:23] <matteo> you can get it at kubuntu website
[22:24] <Gioacchino> when can I download hardy heron ??
[22:25] <AndreSantos> but its still the release candidate...
[22:25] <lovely> will hardy heron have KDE4?
[22:25] <Gioacchino> yes
[22:25] <earror> Man, too bad there's no Mac4Lin icon theme for KDE. :(
[22:25] <lovely> kick a#%
[22:25] <Gioacchino> byez!!
[22:26] <nosrednaekim> earror: there is after a fashion..... use
[22:26] <nosrednaekim> baghira
[22:26] <nosrednaekim> !info baghira
[22:26] <ubotu> Package baghira does not exist in gutsy
[22:27] <Gioacchino> !info hardy
[22:27] <ubotu> Package hardy does not exist in gutsy
[22:27] <Gioacchino> !info Hardy Heron
[22:27] <Gioacchino> !info Hardy Heron
[22:27] <Gioacchino> !info Hardy-Heron
[22:27] <ubotu> Package hardy-heron does not exist in gutsy
[22:27] <Gioacchino> !info Hardy Heron
[22:27] <ubotu> Package hardy does not exist in gutsy
[22:27] <stdin> please don't abuse the bot Gioacchino
[22:28] <Gioacchino> sorry
[22:28] <earror> We should create a bot abuse clinic. :)
[22:28] <stdin> it's #ubuntu-bots :)
[22:29] <stdin> you can play with ubotu all you want there, or in /msg
[22:29] <lovely> !wmv
[22:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[22:30] <MrBallZ> hi, is there a countdown timer ??
[22:30] <stdin> MrBallZ: there isn't an exact time set, so no
[22:31] <AssociateX> is there a link for the differences of debian and ubuntu? I'm looking for a distro other than the one that I'm using now, Gentoo.
[22:32] <AssociateX> I'll keep googling then
[22:32] <lovely> BluesKaj: any other ideas?
[22:32] <stdin> AssociateX: the differences are that we take debian and make it user friendly ;)
[22:34] <AssociateX> stdin: ah, cool
[22:34] <AssociateX> stdin: by way of GUI stuff and docs?
[22:34] <Gioacchino> but ubuntu go at US midnight or european midnight ?
[22:34] <crimsun> timezone is irrelevant.  It's done when It's Done.
[22:35] <stdin> AssociateX: that and more
[22:35] <lovely> dont rush the programer monkeys, they'll be more likley to leave behind banana peels
[22:36] <stdin> Gioacchino: it will not be released at midnight, it'll probably be around lunch-time BST
[22:36] <Gioacchino> BST ??
[22:36] <DirkGently> British Summer Time
[22:37] <DirkGently> or Bloody Stupid Time?
[22:37] <ktownhero> lol @ lovely
[22:37] <stdin> BST = UTC+1
[22:37] <Gioacchino> ok
[22:37] <FrauHansen> why are my windows allways in the top left (or bottom left) corner, when i open them?
[22:38] <Gioacchino> In Italy we are more confident with UTC  :P
[22:38] <stdin> well canonical is based in the UK
[22:39] <Gioacchino> not in south africa ?
[22:39] <iRelinquish> i thought south africa also
[22:39] <stdin> no, mark is from SA, but canonical is based in the UK
[22:39] <iRelinquish> italy = sabayon
[22:39] <stdin> canonical.com
[22:41] <lovely> does anyone have any idea why I cant look at the videos online in wmv format? I have the restricted, the w32 codecs, xine for mozilla and so forth
[22:41] <lovely> but no love
[22:41] <Gioacchino> iRelinquish: before you shot italy learn to talk...
[22:41] <init_alan> hi everyone, greeting from Guatemala
[22:42] <Gioacchino> end after teach us about sabayon...
[22:42] <Gioacchino> does anyone have any idea why I cant look at the videos online in wmv format?  try vlc without mozilla plugin
[22:42] <Gioacchino> look at html code
[22:42] <iRelinquish> gioacchino? what
[22:43] <Gioacchino> and add wmv path file on vlc open url
[22:43] <iRelinquish> sabayon is a linux distro from italy
[22:43] <Gioacchino> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[22:43] <Gioacchino> iRelinquish: sorry
[22:43] <iRelinquish> ha ha
[22:43] <iRelinquish> its all good
[22:43] <Gioacchino> iRelinquish:  someone tell us "ZABAIONE" to shot us..
[22:44] <iRelinquish> no idea what your talking about
[22:44] <Gioacchino> also someone use "Italian spaghetti programming language" to shot italian programmer..
[22:44] <Gioacchino> iRelinquish: sorry I misunderstood
[22:47] <Gioacchino> iRelinquish: but above all sorry is my fault I misanderstood :#
[22:47] <init_alan> af
[22:48] <Gioacchino> some one know if kvirc try icon is fixed in hardy??
[22:48] <Gioacchino> in gutsy is too much big
[22:57] <Gioacchino> some one know if kvirc try icon is fixed in hardy??
[22:57] <Gioacchino> in gutsy is too much big
[23:18] <kkskakd> hi, can i recover anything from a ntfs partition i had before installing kubuntu over it?
[23:18] <sponzor> when will be the final version relesaed?
[23:19] <kmorrissey> hi everyone, need some help with getting video to play within firefox, im new to linux
[23:19] <kkskakd> i tried testdisk and it found that ntfs after an advanced search but it's flagged D (deleted) and when i do P(list files) it says it's corrupt or something
[23:19] <DirkGently> kkskakd: you may need Windows recovery tools for that
[23:20] <kkskakd> DirkGently, like do you think it's possible to recover anything even if the partition was deleted, kubuntu made a new one and formatted it with ext3?
[23:21] <kkskakd> i don't want to reinstall windows, just need something i had on that ntfs
[23:21] <DirkGently> kkskakd: did you finish the install?
[23:22] <kkskakd> DirkGently, yes my pc is running kubuntu right now
[23:22] <kkskakd> DirkGently, i understand that after an high format the data is not lost, just the addresses to it
[23:22] <DirkGently> I'd say you've lost all data then
[23:22] <DirkGently> yes, but you've written into it as well
[23:23] <kkskakd> but testdisk ..
[23:23] <kkskakd> find's the partition
[23:23] <kkskakd> any forensic tools?
[23:23] <kmorrissey> I had it working earlier, but then run some command in konnsole which asked me one step at a time to choose my default.  Something like press enter to leave as default or select a number of the item i want, please help
[23:24] <kkskakd> DirkGently, so you say it's impossible?
[23:24] <DirkGently> kkskakd: at the very least it'll require a lot of work
[23:24] <kkskakd> DirkGently, i have time plenty
[23:25] <kkskakd> DirkGently, it's just i never had to do it, and im soo lost
[23:25] <kkskakd> DirkGently, and i don't need a full working partition, i don't need to boot it, just to recover some files
[23:25] <DirkGently> kkskakd: have you looked around for forensic tools?
[23:26] <kkskakd> DirkGently, yes, and i tried testdisk, and it find's it but it can't restore it
[23:27] <dwidmann> :O not even testdisk can hack it? that's pretty bad
[23:27] <kkskakd> yeah..
[23:27] <DirkGently> kkskakd: what is the data you need to recover? text files?
[23:28] <kkskakd> yes
[23:28] <DirkGently> plain text, not word docs?
[23:28] <kkskakd> well word i guess
[23:28] <kkskakd> and openoffice
[23:28] <kmorrissey> does anyone no the command I might have used to change my default flash player, plugins etc, I used konsole but cant remember what I typed
[23:29] <ISS_Student> Is this the channel for questions on 8.04?
[23:29] <kkskakd> hmm i guess it's impossible
[23:30] <dwidmann> maybe something like sleuthkit would have the tools you need, but I've never tried  to use it before
[23:30] <kkskakd> even those who sess recovery tools advise not to write anything on that disk you wish to recover
[23:30] <stdin> ISS_Student: until it's released you want #ubuntu+1
[23:30] <kkskakd> *sell
[23:31] <dwidmann> kkskakd: can probably get a usb drive on the cheap and dump the files onto it
[23:31] <kkskakd> i have one
[23:32] <dwidmann> kkskakd: then you wouldn't be writing anything onto the disk you're recovering from, you'd be writing onto the usb drive instead :)
[23:33] <kmorrissey> #firefox
[23:34] <kkskakd> dwidmann, uh .. it's like this: I had an windows xp on a ntfs partition that took all the disk. Then i get kubuntu, install it (erased that ntfs partition, created ext3 , formatted ext3, installed files) and i am using kubuntu now for the past 10 days
[23:34] <dwidmann> kkskakd: and?
[23:35] <kkskakd> still hope to recover anything from that ntfs ?
[23:35] <dwidmann> kkskakd: you're probably out of luck, you've already overwritten a lot
[23:35] <kkskakd> yes..
[23:35] <kkskakd> but maybe not what i need
[23:35] <DirkGently> dwidmann: that's what we surmised :)
[23:36] <kkskakd> maybe that one file i need it's there
[23:36] <kkskakd> :)
[23:36] <kkskakd> who knows
[23:36] <kkskakd> but i never did anything like this so i don't know what the steps are, not even what to look for
[23:37] <kkskakd> i googled for it, and it showed testdisk for recovering deleted partitions
[23:37] <dwidmann> kkskakd: seems you've learned lesson #1 about computer data: backup backup backup backup
[23:37] <kkskakd> haha
[23:37] <kkskakd> yes
[23:38] <DirkGently> kkskakd: take it to the police and tell them you suspect it's got bomb-making instructions on it
[23:39] <kkskakd> i don't know..
[23:39] <kkskakd> maybe chind porn
[23:39] <dwidmann> lol
[23:40] <kkskakd> and how do they recover even burnt harddisks?
[23:40] <dwidmann> kkskakd: expensive hardware probing
[23:41] <pietro> help kicker kde4?
[23:41] <dwidmann> pietro: kicker doesn't exist in kde4, it was replaced by plasma
[23:42] <kkskakd> anyway just downloaded insert live cd (from inside security) and it has some forensic tools, i'll just boot it and see if i can do anything
[23:42] <kkskakd> thanks guys
[23:42] <kkskakd> bye
[23:42] <dwidmann> good luck kkskakd
[23:42] <Jucato> pietro: #kubuntu-kde4 for KDE 4 help
[23:42] <pietro> ok
[23:43] <dwidmann> Jucato: it's sad how dead #kubuntu-kde4 is all the time
[23:44] <genii> Jucato: After the KDE3/KDE4 split will this be the 3.5 channel?
[23:44] <Jucato> in a few months it will probably be merged here anyway
[23:44] <Jucato> genii: after? it already is
[23:45] <soldier> ubuntu 8.04 coming soon.
[23:45] <genii> Jucato: Since 3 and 4 will be available I figured by default it would be here :) Since there seems no #kubuntu-kde3 channel....
[23:45] <soldier> when
[23:45] <soldier> ??
[23:46] <Jucato> genii: yeah. KDE 3 here, KDE 4 in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:46] <Jucato> soldier: ask in #ubuntu+1 but I think it's today (what time, I don't know)
[23:46] <soldier> ok ^)
[23:46] <soldier> :)
[23:46] <stdin> "It'll be out when it's out and not before that"
[23:56] <timboy> is there a way to open up port 21 to a user that does not have root perms?
[23:59] <stdin> timboy: huh? you mean use ssh?
[23:59] <stdin> just install  the "ssh" package
[23:59] <genii> stdin: ssh = 22
[23:59] <timboy> stdin, no ftp port to a user. I have installed an ftp server in wine
[23:59] <stdin> oh, yeah
[23:59] <stdin> that's what I get for just glancing


[00:06] <CarlFK> cjwatson:  bug 796865
[00:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 796865 in ubuntu "alt installer asks ??? ??? <go back> <continue>" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/796865
[02:07] <CIA-29> base-installer: mcasadevall * r955 base-installer/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Added omap4 subarchitecture
[02:07] <NCommand1r> anyone around to review this before I commit on the trunk?
[11:48] <CIA-29> debian-installer: lool * r1459 ubuntu/ (build/config/armel.cfg debian/changelog): config/armel.cfg: order targets alphabetically.
[11:48] <lool> Hmm that's out of order
[11:48] <lool> now I remember why I used not to setup the cia-project name  :-)
[11:50] <cjwatson> lool: care to push, too?
[11:51] <cjwatson> NCommand1r: base-installer omap4> looks fine to me
[11:51] <lool> cjwatson: That's the point, I didn't push yet because I want to test build it
[11:51] <cjwatson> ah
[11:51] <cjwatson> I just don't commit before test-building in such cases :)
[11:52] <lool> it's just that I have a bunch of revisions and don't intend to test-build every single of them
[11:52]  * cjwatson nods
[12:25] <CIA-29> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4753 trunk/debian/ (changelog rules): Don't run xvfb-run under fakeroot, as that confuses the X server.
[12:31] <CIA-29> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4754 trunk/ (debian/changelog tests/run-pyflakes):
[12:31] <CIA-29> ubiquity: Exclude everything under debian/ from tests/run-pyflakes, as otherwise
[12:31] <CIA-29> ubiquity: it's impossible to clean a built tree.
[13:25] <lool> cjwatson: so I'm just realizing that if I want to build d-i images with linaro kernels, they need to be in main, correct?
[13:27] <lool> cjwatson: What would you suggest in this case?  I could think of introducing a debian-installer-universe package, or promoting the packages but marking them as unsupported
[13:32] <CIA-29> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4755 trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Convert to dh_python2.
[13:33] <cjwatson> is there any reason not to just promote those kernels?  we've promoted/demoted kernels fairly freely in the past
[13:34] <cjwatson> I absolutely do not want a debian-installer-universe package; it would be hell to maintain
[13:34] <lool> cjwatson: I certainly wouldn't mind if they got promoted
[13:34] <cjwatson> that's what I'd advise then
[13:34] <lool> cjwatson: Hey, would you mind promoting linux-linaro-omap and linux-linaro-vexpress to main?  :-)
[13:35] <ogra_> doesnt promoting indicate security support ?
[13:35] <cjwatson> well, I think you ought to at least talk to some other MIR folks first ...
[13:40] <lool> I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-linaro-omap/+bug/797160
[13:40] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 797160 in linux-linaro-omap "[MIR] Please promote linux-linaro-omap and linux-linaro-vexpress to main" [Undecided,New]
[14:42] <brendand> anyone else getting a wierd error dialog when trying to run the partitioner on todays O image?
[14:42] <brendand> all question marks
[14:42] <CarlFK> yep
[14:43] <CarlFK> i filed a lp bug on it...  looking...
[14:43] <CarlFK> bug 796865
[14:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 796865 in ubuntu "alt installer asks ??? ??? <go back> <continue>" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/796865
[14:45] <brendand> CarlFK - I see the same thing in ubiquity too
[14:45] <cjwatson> yeah, I'll have a look now
[14:45] <cjwatson> it's much easier to debug in d-i
[14:45] <brendand> CarlFK - then it returns to the previous screen if you're formatting the whole disk, or freezes if you're trying to do a side-by-side install
[14:45] <cjwatson> I don't need further details right now
[14:46] <cjwatson> thanks
[15:23] <cjwatson> hmm, I think I'll have to strace this
[15:46] <lool> NCommand1r: when building d-i on a panda, I get a build failure in the omap netboot image with the kernel version I'm running:
[15:46] <lool> http://paste.ubuntu.com/626604/
[15:46] <lool> it seems some tools assumes that there is a module index in the build tree, not sure why
[15:46] <lool> it looks like a depmod bug
[16:02] <lool> ah
[16:02] <lool> 3.0 broke depmod
[16:02] <lool> >-------sscanf(version, "%u.%u.%u", &major, &sub, &minor);
[16:03] <cjwatson> that was fixed in more current module-init-tools
[16:03] <cjwatson> in oneiric
[16:04] <lool> I am looking at 3.13-1ubuntu1, weird
[16:05] <lool> Hmm oddly my chroot is running an old module-init-tools despite an earlier dist-upgrade
[16:06] <lool> cjwatson: thanks
[16:07] <lool> oh and scanf doesn't fail it it can't read all, it will just return 2
[16:07] <lool> a bit scary though
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer: lool * r1458 ubuntu/ (build/config/armel/omap4.cfg debian/changelog):
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer: build/config/armel/omap4.cfg: flip order or netboot and cdrom targets to
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer: match other *.cfg.
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer: lool * r1459 ubuntu/ (build/config/armel.cfg debian/changelog): config/armel.cfg: order targets alphabetically.
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer: lool * r1460 ubuntu/ (5 files in 4 dirs):
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer: * Add vexpress netboot target to armel images, copied from versatile; this
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer:  is useful to run an ARMv7 userspace in QEMU.
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer:  - build/config/armel.cfg: list vexpress.
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer:  - build/config/armel/{vexpress.cfg,vexpress/}: copy from versatile,
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer:  tweaking comments and setting kernel version to
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer:  2.6.38-1002-linaro-vexpress.
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer: lool * r1461 ubuntu/debian/changelog: Fix path build/config/armel.cfg in debian/changelog.
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer: lool * r1462 ubuntu/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Rename vexpress to linaro-vexpress to be consistent with kernel names.
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer: lool * r1463 ubuntu/build/config/armel/linaro-vexpress.cfg: Another vexpress -> linaro-vexpress rename.
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer: lool * r1464 ubuntu/ (5 files in 4 dirs):
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer: * Add linaro-omap netboot target to armel images, copied from versatile;
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer:  this is useful for all OMAP2+ boards supported in this kernel.
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer:  - build/config/armel.cfg: list linaro-omap.
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer:  - build/config/armel/linaro-{omap.cfg,omap/}: copy from versatile,
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer:  tweaking comments and setting kernel version to 2.6.38-1002-linaro-omap.
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer: lool * r1465 ubuntu/ (9 files in 6 dirs):
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer: Drop disabled imx51 bits and corresponding redboot-tools build-dep; this
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer: has been unused for years, allows dropping Debian delta and a build-dep,
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer: demoting this build-dep to universe and can be resurrected from history if
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer: needs be, albeit i.MX51 support would likely use U-Boot nowadays.
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer: lool * r1466 ubuntu/ (build/config/armel.cfg debian/changelog):
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer: Disable linaro-omap and linaro-vexpress flavors for now as the kernel
[17:04] <CIA-29> debian-installer: packages are needed in main first; see LP #797160.
[17:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 797160 in linux-linaro-vexpress "[MIR] Please promote linux-linaro-omap and linux-linaro-vexpress to main" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/797160
[17:05] <lool> cjwatson: build tested and pushed
[17:16] <lool> (but disabled the linaro-omap and linaro-vexpress flavors as the kernels aren't in main)
[18:08] <ogra_> lool, just dont break NCommand1r's bits ... he added omap4 support ofver the weekend afaik
[18:08] <ogra_> ;)
[18:10] <lool> ogra_: I didn't since I test-built that
[18:11] <ogra_> :)
[18:11] <lool> I did change one thing, which is the order of the targets
[18:11] <ogra_> yeah, no worries
[18:11] <lool> and it doesn't build with -j2/-j8 but that's another story
[18:11] <ogra_> -j8 ?
[18:11] <ogra_> on arm HW ?


[09:17] <LocutusOfBorg> hello folks, can you please sponsor the fix for bionic/cosmic? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1798921 ? anything we should do to have it?
[09:17] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1798921 in linux (Ubuntu Cosmic) "sky2 ethernet card don't work after returning from suspension" [Undecided,New]
[09:53] <socratis> Hello everyone, slight problem with my Mint 19 (based on 18.04) and its sleep-wake-NoNetwork problem. Two Marvell 88E8053 with the "sky2" driver, both lose their network with a "Network cable disconnected".
[09:53] <socratis> I found this workaround script that works great (https://askubuntu.com/questions/1029250/ubuntu-18-04-ethernet-disconnected-after-suspend) but it seems to me that it's a bug.
[09:53] <socratis> And then I found the exact bug for the exact "sky2" driver: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1798921
[09:54] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1798921 in linux (Ubuntu Cosmic) "sky2 ethernet card don't work after returning from suspension" [Undecided,New]
[09:55] <socratis> Now, since the Linux world is something far in the past for me, that I took a renewed interest upon, and since I'm on Mint but all the fingers point to Ubuntu, how does one handle this? What am I supposed to do? Create a new Mint ticket? Tag along the existing Ubuntu one?
[09:57] <socratis> Ticket 1798921 talks about the issue being fixed a week ago, on 2019-04-02, but it's only available on kernel 4.4.0-145.171. What's the norm in these situations? Do the changes/fixes propagate? Should I just stick with the workaround script and forget about the whole thing?
[09:57] <socratis> TIA for any thoughts/comments on this...
[09:58] <LocutusOfBorg> hello folks, can you please sponsor the fix for bionic/cosmic? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1798921 ? anything we should do to have it?
[09:58] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1798921 in linux (Ubuntu Cosmic) "sky2 ethernet card don't work after returning from suspension" [Undecided,New]
[09:59] <LocutusOfBorg> socratis, I asked this before your join
[09:59] <socratis> Ah, thanks LocutusOfBorg!!!
[09:59] <socratis> It needs a ... sponsor? Like the Olympics? MasterCard and Heineken? :D
[10:00] <socratis> Generally speaking, if I find an issue with the kernel, should I be talking to the Mint people or the Ubuntu people? Do the Ubuntu people "hate" the Mint people/distro? ;)
[10:01] <LocutusOfBorg> arighi, ^^ maybe you are the best person to answer this... can you consider adding that one-line patch on next bionic/cosmic update?
[10:01] <LocutusOfBorg> socratis, the kernel should be the same, so "we" are the best people to ask
[10:02] <socratis> Excellent! Nice to know...
[10:05] <LocutusOfBorg> smb, since you fixed it on trusty... may I ask why you didn't forward the patch to bionic, cosmic and disco?
[10:06] <socratis> Funny you should mention that "nickname", I'm trying to solve a read-only SaMBa share issue! :D
[10:07] <socratis> Oh, and since I have your attention, and since this is the Ubuntu channel, and since we've known each other for a long time from the #vbox channel...
[10:07] <socratis> LocutusOfBorg: Did you get any reports from people that couldn't install VirtualBox 6.0.x on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS?
[10:08] <socratis> Just since yesterday, I've had 3 reports already!
[10:08] <socratis> (methinks I should double-post in #vbox or #vbox-dev just to be safe...)
[10:11] <LocutusOfBorg> socratis, lets move on vbox
[10:11] <socratis> Okie dokie...
[10:13] <smb> LocutusOfBorg, if you talk about the sky2 bug, that was xenial. And as to why not port to newer releases, it seems nobody reminded us (in the sense of having the issue with those kernels) and there was just too many other things going on
[10:14] <socratis> I do! Put me on the list smb... ;)
[10:15] <LocutusOfBorg> smb, I see disco is already ok, so it should be a matter of bionic and cosmic, if you can add it to the patch queue...
[10:15] <socratis> I'm simply a n00b in this and I didn't even know whether I should first talk to the Mint people (Mint19 here), the Ubuntu people or the kernel people...
[10:18] <smb> LocutusOfBorg, I had already added nominations for those to the bug report. We will see whether this would be an easy pick. socratis you probably can help by adding a comment about having this on bionic/cosmic
[10:18] <socratis> Okie dokie... On it. I have to register, right? (of course...)
[10:20] <apw> socratis, is how we control spam indeed
[10:24] <socratis> I know... ;)
[10:51] <smb> socratis, ok, looks like simple pick and I sent it to our mailing list (the sky2 patch). So it should make it at some point
[10:51] <socratis> Excellent! Thanks smb...
[12:11] <TJ-> Is there a known issue with linux-headers-hwe-lowlatency-18.04-edge from bionic-proposed, via linux-headers-5.0.0-8-lowlatency, which is preventing DKMS module builds due to missing symlink targets. E.g. "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 Mar 19 21:22 /usr/src/linux-headers-5.0.0-8-lowlatency/block -> ../linux-hwe-edge-headers-5.0.0-8/block" ? apt-file search does not find the target path and I cannot find it
[12:11] <TJ-> in a .postinst script either
[13:44] <smb> since edge is now coming from disco... sforshee, cascardo ^?
[13:55] <cascardo> I will look at that soonish
[13:57] <sforshee> TJ-, cascardo: I just downloaded and extracted linux-headers-5.0.0-8-lowlatency_5.0.0-8.9~18.04.1_amd64.deb and the symlink is there
[13:58] <TJ-> sforshee: hmmm! let me check what's installed again
[14:05] <TJ-> sforshee: whih package do you see the target path (/usr/src/linux-hwe-edge-headers-5.0.0-8/block) being installed/created from ? I can't see it here with the same package installed (Installed: 5.0.0-8.9~18.04.1)
[14:05] <sforshee> TJ-: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/16519051/+files/linux-headers-5.0.0-8-lowlatency_5.0.0-8.9~18.04.1_amd64.deb
[14:06] <sforshee> I just downloaded and extracted it, I did not install it
[14:07] <TJ-> sforshee: I don't see the path in the data.tar.gz of that package
[14:11] <sforshee> $ wget https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/16519051/+files/linux-headers-5.0.0-8-lowlatency_5.0.0-8.9~18.04.1_amd64.deb
[14:11] <sforshee> $ dpkg-db -R linux-headers-5.0.0-8-lowlatency_5.0.0-8.9~18.04.1_amd64.deb ext
[14:11] <sforshee> $ ls -l ext/usr/src/linux-headers-5.0.0-8-lowlatency/block
[14:11] <sforshee> lrwxrwxrwx 1 sforshee sforshee 39 Mar 19 16:22 ext/usr/src/linux-headers-5.0.0-8-lowlatency/block -> ../linux-hwe-edge-headers-5.0.0-8/block
[14:11] <sforshee> TJ-: ^
[14:11] <sforshee> typo, s/dpkg-db/dpkg-deb/
[14:12] <TJ-> I got that one :D
[14:12] <TJ-> as in, the typo
[14:18] <sforshee> funny thing is that it was a copy/paste, so I have no idea where it went
[14:21] <TJ-> sforshee: Sometihng weird going on, I replicated your commands and there is no ./usr/src/linux-hwe-edge-headers-5.0.0-8/ created
[14:21] <TJ-> sforshee: in case there is some confusion here, the sym-links are there, the *target* is missing
[14:22] <sforshee> TJ-: ok, I misunderstood I thought you said the symlink was missing
[14:22] <TJ-> sforshee: no, target of the symlinks are all 'dead', and I can't find which package is supposed to install to /usr/src/linux-hwe-edge-headers-5.0.0-8/
[14:28] <sforshee> TJ-: yeah that does look like a problem, I'd expect those headers to come from linux-headers-5.0.0-8 but that also produces symlinks
[14:28] <sforshee> cascardo: ^
[14:28] <TJ-> phew! not me going lala!
[14:29] <TJ-> It knocked out wireguard else I wouldn't have noticed, which was unexpected since there is no problem with the mainline 5.0 builds and the OS had switched on last reboot
[14:32] <sforshee> it should have been caught in testing, but it looks like adt has never run for that kernel for some reason
[14:32] <cascardo> yeah, so I will look at the problem there, and probably have it fixed on a 5.0.0-9 upload
[14:33] <sforshee> cascardo: or -10, I built a -9 in bootstrap but there's an apparmor regression that needs fixing so I don't plan to put that into -proposed
[14:35] <sforshee> cascardo: for the main kernel that is, I didn't build an hwe-edge kernel
[14:35] <cascardo> sforshee: ack, will work on the fixes, and wait for a -10 before rebasing
[14:36] <cascardo> sforshee: I will drop snapdragon altogether from main and meta package
[14:37] <sforshee> cascardo: hmm now that brings up a problem, I guess we've had hwe/hwe-edge packages for snapdragon but will not have them moving forward
[14:37] <sforshee> apw: ^ any suggestions on how to handle that?
[14:40] <apw> sforshee, keep building them in the -hwe ?
[14:40] <cascardo> for the main package, I don't think that's an easy thing to do
[14:40] <sforshee> apw: even if we don't expect they will work?
[14:41] <cascardo> during rebase for 5.1, I had to drop them all, lots of snapdragon patches causing build failures
[14:41] <apw> hmmm, are you intending to break them
[14:41] <apw> oh
[14:41] <sforshee> we dropped support for snapdragon from the main kernel branch and are using a topic branch now
[14:41] <apw> we might need to ask pp for a 5.1 version
[14:41] <apw> or whatever hwe is
[14:41] <cascardo> and we will have double the work?
[14:41] <sforshee> whatever we had for 5.0 was never confirmed to work, afaik
[14:42] <cascardo> maybe we could have the hwe meta package point to the generic arm64 one
[14:42] <apw> cascardo, that is at an older version no ?
[14:42] <cascardo> though that would likely not work, or have lots of "bugs"
[14:42] <sforshee> I think he means the generic arm64 5.0 kernel
[14:42] <cascardo> yep
[14:43] <apw> we signed up for double the work when we split it out ...
[14:43] <cascardo> otherwise, just keep them at an older version, ie, do not provide a new meta package
[14:43] <apw> that effectivly abandons them without cves
[14:44] <apw> we will have a 5.1 and so on linux-snapdragon, right ?
[14:44] <sforshee> I'm assuming we will
[14:44] <cascardo> I don't disagree. but if we love those snapdragon hwe users so much, we will take not only double the work, but risk regressions for other users of the master kernel
[14:45] <cascardo> apw: would you suggest we provide yet another repo for a snapdragon-hwe?
[14:45] <sforshee> it's sounding to me like we'll have to start producing linux-snapdragon-hwe packages
[14:45] <cascardo> based on disco/linux-snapdragon, for example?
[14:45] <apw> cascardo, i am struggling to see how we can avoid doig something, if we supported snapdragon in an hwe kernel
[14:45] <sforshee> too bad we just didn't support it
[14:46] <apw> we may be able to leave them on this version and not roll them, but it is this version we are breaking
[14:47] <apw> its a problem indeed, if we had never had hwe version of it, we would be better off
[14:47] <apw> sforshee, you could look at the anonuncement to see if we ever said we supported it on snapdragon
[14:47] <apw> sforshee, whetner we might expect anyone to be using it
[14:48] <sforshee> apw: which announcement would that be? I do wonder whether anyone uses it at all
[14:48] <apw> sforshee, that is the worry, that you have to do it, and it is never used
[14:49] <sforshee> apw: I'm just wondering where we would have announced it. In the release notes for one of the point releases maybe?
[14:50] <apw> sforshee, yeah it would be the point release announcement i guess
[14:50] <apw> sforshee, that is the only place i can imagine it could have been listed
[14:51] <sforshee> apw: it's all your fault - bug 1798352 ;-)
[14:51] <ubot5`> bug 1798352 in linux-meta-snapdragon (Ubuntu Cosmic) "linux-snapdragon: missing meta packages for this flavour" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1798352
[14:51] <apw> sforshee, i am sure i didn't do that off my own bat; i imagine i was doing it because someone noticed
[14:52] <sforshee> apw: yeah and it wasn't just for -hwe. That bug was mentioned here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes/ChangeSummary/18.04.2
[14:52] <sforshee> that's the closes I've found to us announcing anything
[14:52] <sforshee> *closest
[14:53] <apw> sforshee, yeah that was an adam request iirc
[14:59] <cascardo> right now, 5.0 will work just fine with snapdragon, we haven't dropped patches yet
[15:00] <cascardo> so, we could just leave them as it is, until we get to later kernels, like 5.1
[15:12] <sforshee> cascardo: I did drop the patches. We could reapply them, but I had already had to drop some because of conflicts. Afaik the support we had in the 5.0 master kernel was never tested at all
[15:14] <sforshee> even if we dodged the issue that way for 5.0 we have to solve it later
[15:18] <cascardo> yeah, so we'd better just have that linux-snapdragon-hwe instead of reapplying them. if there are conflicts, it's not worth fixing them
[17:32] <cascardo> TJ-: found the cause for the missing files on the headers package, will fix it on the next upload
[17:33] <cascardo> apw: so, I will follow up with dropping the snapdragon flavour from the bionic/hwe-edge kernel, we'll have to sort it out some other way
[17:33] <TJ-> cascardo: great news :)


[14:57] <cyphermox> anyone here for the DMB meeting?
[14:59] <jbicha> o/
[16:31] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jun  5 16:31:00 2017 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:31] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:31] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:31] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:31] <tyhicks> Roger A. Light (ral) provided debdiffs for trusty-artful for mosquitto (LP: #1692818)
[16:31] <tyhicks> Thank you for your assistance in keeping Ubuntu users secure! :)
[16:31] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:31] <tyhicks> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:31] <mdeslaur> I'm on bug triage this week
[16:31] <mdeslaur> and I'm currently publishing puppet and libtasn updates
[16:32] <mdeslaur> I have a couple more to test, then I'll be picking something else off the list
[16:32] <mdeslaur> that's it, sbeattie?
[16:33] <sbeattie> I'm on cve triage this week
[16:33] <sbeattie> I have an embargoed issue on my plate
[16:34] <sbeattie> I'm working on a sudo update
[16:34] <sbeattie> and I'll have some kernel triage bits to handle, too
[16:34] <sbeattie> That's probably my week.
[16:34] <sbeattie> tyhicks: over to you
[16:35] <tyhicks> I'm in the happy place this week
[16:35] <tyhicks> I have eCryptfs patch review to do (kernel and userspace patches)
[16:35] <tyhicks> they've been piling up
[16:35] <tyhicks> I'd like to make progress on the seccomp kernel patches but I think I need to catch up with kees first on a remaining design issue
[16:36] <tyhicks> would be nice to finish my elfutils updates
[16:36] <tyhicks> additional security updates as time allows
[16:36] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:36] <jjohansen> I have and LSS talk/discussion proposal to get together
[16:37] <jjohansen> and I will have LSS program committee duties/voting todo this week too
[16:37] <jjohansen> I need to finish up the merge against the security tree, which finally merged again 4.12
[16:38] <jjohansen> and then I have a little more patch work to finish up to get a pull request out
[16:39] <jjohansen> After that I will need to look at a few bugs, update suse on the 4.13 kernel for the Fate request around snappy
[16:40] <jjohansen> and hopefully get a start on the 4.14 upstreaming
[16:40] <jjohansen> thats about it for me, sarnold you're up
[16:40] <sarnold> I'm in the happy place; I have two more sponsored updates from last week to finish off if no one has said they broke anything important, finish the xdelta3 mir, and review whatever patches jjohansen feels would be worth reviewing
[16:41] <sarnold> I think that covers it; is chrisccoulson around or is uk on holiday?
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> I'm here
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> I've got firefox updates to prepare this week. Also, I think it's chrome release week (although I've not been tracking that closely anymore), which means chromium updates too
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> Also working on an embargoed issue
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> That's me done
[16:43] <tyhicks> ratliff: you're up
[16:43] <ratliff> I'm on community this week.
[16:43] <ratliff> I will spend most of my week focused on internal duties.
[16:43] <ratliff> The rest I will spend on technical communication and updates to Ubuntu Core 15
[16:44] <ratliff> back to you, tyhicks
[16:45] <tyhicks> thanks
[16:45] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:45] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:45] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:45] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/hexchat.html
[16:45] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/yodl.html
[16:45] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/snort.html
[16:45] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/davfs2.html
[16:45] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ironic.html
[16:45] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:45] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:48] <tyhicks> mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson, ratliff: Thanks!
[16:48] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[16:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jun  5 16:48:03 2017 UTC.
[16:48] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-06-05-16.31.moin.txt
[16:48] <mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks
[16:48] <jjohansen> thanks tyhicks
[16:48] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks
[16:48] <ratliff> thank you, tyhicks!
[16:53] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks1


[13:37] <admin0> hi all. is it possible to execute script as a part of netplan ?
[13:37] <admin0> so that when an interface is up, we can run specific scripts
[13:58] <spatel> Folk, I have question related SR-IOV support in netplan, I am trying to create VF on my interface and it does work but interface name is start with ethX  instead of eno50vX
[13:58] <spatel> https://pastebin.com/UXWL34s5
[13:59] <spatel> But behavior has been changed in 0.100 version. (is this a bug?)
[13:59] <spatel> in 0.99 it was working correct with correct representation of interface name.
[14:05] <spatel> I have submitted bug anyway - https://bugs.launchpad.net/netplan/+bug/1908911


[08:26] <john38[m]> Hello everyone, recently updated my system from zorin os to ubuntu studio 22.04 kde plasma, Since my wifi is disconnecting once in a while and i need to manually reconnect or even sometimes reboot my pc. I have been looking on the internet and there is a kernel update to apply, hence whatever i try to get the 5.19 kernel it still stays stuck at 5.15. Any idea ho to solve this issue?
[14:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> john38: I'm fairly certain your issue has nothing to do with your desktop environment. You might have better luck getting help from the Ubuntu chat since there's more activity, so click here to get that help: #ubuntu:libera.chat
[23:53] <cojmeliegrigore[> hello guys. I'm relatively new to ubuntu/linux distributions and I run into a problem. I have installed ubuntu and totally removed windows and my SSD card PC SN720 NVMe 512 GB is not available anymore. I mention that it wasn't available in the installation proces either. I have am Lenovo all in one 520-27ICB system. I have read and tried several actions for repairing the issue but none worked. I will be extremely gratefull if
[23:53] <cojmeliegrigore[> someone  has the time and knowledge to help me regarding this problem
[23:54] <arraybolt3[m]> cojmeliegrigore: Can you poke around in your BIOS and see if your drive is set to RAID mode? If so, change it to AHCI.
[23:59] <cojmeliegrigore[> arraybolt3: i have tried this action. first of all in my system's BIOS there is no RAID mode and the SATA configuration has always been set to AHCI. anyhow meanwhile i run into another big issue, i have broken the display of my lenovo and now use an TV connected to hdmi as monitor, but it works only after the systems boots. I cannot acces BIOS anymore. well i can do it blindly if is necessary.