[00:36] <Unit193> nacc!
[00:37] <nacc> Unit193: what's up? :)
[00:37] <Unit193> nacc: I saw you alive!  Do you think you could take care of https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1694864 and Bug 1692074?
[00:39] <nacc> Unit193: i can look -- although EOD for me already (might be tmrw). Is there a reason we want to sync from experimental specifically for these two?
[00:40] <Unit193> I figured it was getting close, yeah.  variety is only in experimental due to the freeze, changelog lists a LP bug, and Debian maintainer is very good with the sync.  Latter because it gives a py3 module.
[00:40] <nacc> Unit193: got it, i'll review it tmrw first thing
[00:41] <Unit193> nacc: Thanks very much!  (And the py3 module is useful because gcalcli had a beta release that goes python3, and recommends that.)
[00:41] <nacc> Unit193: np
[06:12] <Skuggen> nacc: /etc/mysql/debian.cnf is generated, yes
[06:13] <Skuggen> Though I actually have a change in review that will stop using it
[06:22] <Skuggen> Looks like it's using /etc/init.d/mysql to try to shutdown any existing server, which is a bit odd https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-mysql/mysql.git/tree/debian/mysql-server-5.7.preinst?h=mysql-5.7/ubuntu/zesty#n41
[06:36] <juliank> xnox: OK, so apparently the apt systemd jobs are wrong, I accidentally passed -d to unattended-upgrades for download, but that enables debug mode - and nobody noticed it. Seems this needs more work.
[06:38] <juliank> I wanted --dry-run according to --help, but in reality that also has some debugging output, so we really need to patch unattended-upgrade to have a download-only mode :(
[08:36] <jamespage> xnox: around? I have a boost query to which I can't google the answer
[08:36] <jamespage> xnox: specifically I need boost_container for the latest ceph release, but afaict boost in Debian and Ubuntu does not build this component?
[08:37] <jamespage> but my knowledge in this pkg is limited so I may be missing something
[08:44] <jamespage> xnox: raised some bugs to track - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/boost/+bugs?field.tag=ceph
[08:44] <jamespage> have a second problem with no s390x packages for context or coroutine as well
[08:45] <jamespage> any help mucho appreciated
[09:27] <infinity> juliank: +1 for a --download-only that does what it says on the tin.
[09:27] <infinity> juliank: Amazed that none of the people involved in said changes noticed that -d doesn't really do a thing. :P
[09:27] <juliank> infinity: Yeah
[09:28] <juliank> I was wondering if we want to play with phased updates in apt? That would be fun
[09:29] <infinity> juliank: Let phasing percentage affect priority, or...?
[09:30] <juliank> Holding back updates that are not currently rolled out for the current machine in the current phase.
[09:30] <infinity> juliank: The problem is that, so far, "apt-get dist-upgrade" has been the published way to get updates *now*, if you don't want to deal with update-manager's phasing.
[09:30] <infinity> juliank: So, we'd have to re-teach that as "use some pinning", or "apt-get --ignore-phasing".
[09:30] <juliank> Well, we can make it optional.
[09:30] <juliank> and non-default.
[09:30] <infinity> Or that.
[09:31] <juliank> I think it might be useful to people who manage their systems with ansible or stuff
[09:31] <infinity> Having the logic in apt so that frontends like update-manager can be dumber certainly seems like a win.
[09:32] <juliank> infinity: and as a bonus point, this (can) also makes phased upgrades work with PackageKit.
[09:33] <infinity> I kinda wish PackageKit would just go away, but I realize I'm fighting a losing battle there.
[09:33] <juliank> And of course unattended-upgrades if configured to install SRUs too
[09:33] <infinity> It's all fine and dandy for people to tell me PK is the new hotness and aptdaemon is unmaintained crap, but aptd does what we want and PK (so far) doesn't.
[09:34] <juliank> aptd is still unmaintained, though :)
[09:34] <infinity> And, from my POV, still is PK if it doesn't have feature parity.
[09:34] <infinity> "Maintained, but isn't useful" is pretty much "unmaintained".
[09:35] <infinity> s/still/so/
[09:35] <infinity> But I guess we need to reinvent every wheel every few years or we might accidentally make progress at some point.
[09:35] <infinity> And then the machines would take over.
[09:36] <juliank> infinity: Yeah, but we'll eventually reach the point where enough stuff is there, so the "unmaintainedness" reached parity.
[09:36] <infinity> And then Terminator and/or The Matrix happens.
[09:36] <infinity> And no one wants that.
[09:36] <juliank> And once both options are basically equally bad, dropping the one that needs more attention will be the smart move :)
[09:37] <infinity> juliank: Sure.  And, conceptually, a single API into all package managers is a noble goal.  But until it can replace the things we've historically done with aptd, I just don't see the motivation to care.
[09:38] <juliank> Need to track the list of missing things somewhere
[09:38] <juliank> Currently I only have "phased updates" and "not reboot for upgrades"
[09:38] <infinity> "I'm sorry your fully-functional Honda sedan is out of warranty and might need occasional service, please switch to this trout-drawn red wagon."
[09:39] <juliank> infinity: re phased updates in apt, maybe it makes sense to compromise on apt (the friendly frontend) doing phased updates, and apt-get doing unphased.
[09:39] <infinity> juliank: Maybe it's come a long way since the last time I looked.  Historically, it was pretty much useless at doing anything remotely complex.  Whereas aptd was literally just a way to escalate "apt-get <command> <arguments>" to a priveleged backend, so could literally do anything apt could do.
[09:40] <infinity> juliank: Maaaaybe?  I kinda hate the place where apt and apt-get commands produce different results.
[09:40] <infinity> juliank: This is why, for instance, people whine when 'apt-get upgrade' doesn't install new deps, because 'apt upgrade' does.
[09:41] <infinity> (Though, in that case, I think apt-get just needs upgrade redefined)
[09:42] <juliank> I think the differences are not really a good thing, but it's sometimes the best we can get without breaking existing scripts.
[09:42] <Unit193> Amusingly, I was surprised the other way round, where `apt upgrade` wanted to.  I had to fall back.
[09:43] <juliank> I think some stuff should eventually migrate over to apt-get after 2 years
[09:43] <infinity> I think it's a mistake (and has been since day 1), that "apt-get upgrade" doesn't install new deps.  Refusing removals is good, refusing new installation is obtuse.  But that's going to be a long debate.
[09:45] <infinity> Mostly I believe this due to the way we abuse new installs for kernel packages, but it's equally true that you wouldn't want a security upgrade held back because it needs to pull in a new benign dep, etc.
[09:46] <infinity> And after some longwinded bug reports that proved we have many users who think that "apt-get upgrade" is keeping them up to date, I'm now terrified that we have thousands of machines out there that have never had a kernel upgrade since GA. :P
[09:47] <infinity> Don't know if this is because of "apt upgrade", or yum/dnf semantics being different, or bad advice on forums/stackexchange, or just because "upgrade" should probably upgrade your machine, but the damage is done, and I don't think we can reeducate.
[09:50] <infinity> juliank: So, yeah, I think changing behaviour of "apt-get upgrade" for 18.04 and stretch+1 (cause that's definitely not somewhere where Ubuntu should gratuitously differentiate) would be a very worthwhile thing to debate for about 10 minutes and then JFDI regardless of dissent. :P
[09:51] <infinity> juliank: As for phased versus not.  Maybe apt could behave differently.  It would need to be very well called out in the docs how to turn it on for apt-get and off for apt and what the defaults are.
[09:53] <infinity> juliank: Though, if the supposed intent is that "noobs" use apt and long-bearded fuddy-duddies use apt-get, I'm not sure that'll ever really come to pass, because when someone like me tells people how to do a thing, I do it in my language (apt-get), and that gets cargo-culted all over until someone copies and pastes it blindly. :P
[09:53] <infinity> juliank: So, at the end of the day, I'm not sure behaviour difference between identical invocations should ever exist, as the "noob" won't even really know they're different commands or why, except that one is prettier.
[09:54] <infinity> juliank: I mean, inconsequential behaviour differences like automatically cleaning up and whatnot are fine, but different outcomes are probably unwise.
[09:54] <infinity> juliank: Cause I say "run apt-get install foo bar-" and they run "apt install foo bar-" and wonder why it's different (if it is, but you get my point).
[09:58] <infinity> juliank: This isn't without precedent.  We had the same issue when people socialised the incorrect meme that "aptitude install <foo>" == "apt-get install <foo>", and it really wasn't.  It was sometimes a debugging nightmare.
[09:59]  * infinity decides to try to nap.
[10:03] <kyrofa> Hey apw, I need some SRU advice. Got a sec?
[10:04] <apw> kyrofa, ask i may (or may not) have a clue
[10:04] <kyrofa> apw, you're familiar with the snapcraft click SRU blockage
[10:05] <apw> kyrofa, i am aware of the "fun" you are going to be having yes
[10:05] <kyrofa> apw, well, the world just got bit by setuptools v36
[10:05] <kyrofa> bug #1694945
[10:05] <kyrofa> apw, everyone building python snaps is now blocked until we can ship the fix for that
[10:05] <apw> kyrofa, lovely ...
[10:06] <apw> kyrofa, do we even have an upload fixing click ?
[10:06] <kyrofa> apw, in the fairy tale in my head, we just boot the pending SRU that uses click to get it out of the way
[10:06] <kyrofa> apw, no, click change is still in review
[10:07] <apw> kyrofa, so you want to rip the current snapcraft and replace it with a 2.29.1+* sort of thing ?
[10:07] <kyrofa> Yes
[10:08] <kyrofa> Thoughts?
[10:08] <apw> kyrofa, give me a sec to check ...
[10:08] <kyrofa> apw, 2.29.2 I suppose
[10:10] <apw> kyrofa, ok ... so yes, if i rip 2.30* you can then upload a 2.29.x with the python3 fix to unblock people
[10:10] <sashok> hello
[10:10] <apw> kyrofa, that _does_ kill 2.30* so you would need to go to 2.30.1 or something when it comes back
[10:10] <kyrofa> apw, excellent. But what about artful?
[10:11] <kyrofa> Ah, we can apply the patch in two places
[10:11] <kyrofa> And just release 2.30.1 in a
[10:11] <apw> kyrofa, well there is nearly noone up there right?  and the two people who have click installed will have already been in the poo (such as me)
[10:12] <apw> kyrofa, so as long as you 2.30.1 that fix say then i think we are copestetic
[10:12] <kyrofa> apw, okay good deal. Can you please pull 2.30, then?
[10:12] <apw> kyrofa, so is that an official request for snapcraft/2.30* sru to die
[10:12] <kyrofa> apw, indeed it is
[10:13] <kyrofa> We'll re-propose once the click fix is in
[10:15] <kyrofa> apw, this will be the only change between 2.29 and 2.29.1: https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1339/files
[10:16] <kyrofa> apw, think we can turn that around pretty quickly?
[10:16] <apw> kyrofa, ok removed (modulo publisher)
[10:16] <apw> kyrofa, yes, that is a serious regression aiui right, as in nothing snaps right now if it has python3
[10:16] <kyrofa> Or python2
[10:17] <kyrofa> Indeed, thank you for your help :)
[10:17] <apw> kyrofa, heh, that is likely 99% of snappers ...
[10:17] <apw> kyrofa, so you have an SRU exception which lets the release hold
[10:17] <apw> kyrofa, be shortened if you test it, and i assume you will do that quickly
[10:18] <apw> kyrofa, so ... if you could get those into the queue asap and ping me on #ubuntu-release as soon as they hit please
[10:18] <kyrofa> apw, you got it, thanks again!
[11:48] <cpaelzer> rbasak: (and others) I still wonder about one thing on conffile handling - when looking e.g. at the following what is the reason/beneift of having line 5&6 ? https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-libvirt/libvirt.git/tree/debian/libvirt-daemon-system.maintscript
[11:49] <cpaelzer> I want to complete my understanding of that, but that piece of the puzzle didn't reveal itself yet
[11:49] <cpaelzer> sorry line 6 & 7
[12:03] <infinity> cpaelzer: As opposed to any of the other similar lines?
[12:03] <infinity> cpaelzer: (Not sure I know what you're asking)
[12:04] <infinity> cpaelzer: But, in a nutshell, when a conffile is no longer shipped by a package, it's not removed until the package is purged.  So, on upgrade, you accumulate cruft if you keep removing conffiles from the package without doing something about it.
[12:05] <infinity> cpaelzer: In the bad old days, that "something" would just be an rm -f ... rm_conffile makes some attempts to preserve the file if it was modified by the end user, so they can preserve their changes elsewhere, or translate them to the new world order.
[12:06] <infinity> cpaelzer: Though, in the case of a "shipped by accident" file, like 6&7, I could see an argument for just unconditionally whacking it, it also doesn't hurt to use the rm_conffile facility on the off chance someone *thought* it was a useful file and made changes to it, so they can consult those changes and put them in the right file(s).
[12:30] <rbasak> nacc: git ubuntu merge sync> ack
[12:31] <rbasak> nacc: LP: #1693954> I marked Incomplete. Seems likely that the user deleted that file locally, or has otherwise hacked things up. Or if not, then we need a proper bug report really, rather than a "I have an error message" report.
[12:33] <cpaelzer> thanks infinity, I think I got the general need for conffile removal - what I asked in particular on line 6 & 7 is that it is the SAME line but with different package names
[12:33] <cpaelzer> what does that achieve in addition to listing it once
[12:34] <cpaelzer> In that case the file "ownership" moved in the past, I assume it might be about removing it "from both packages" - but the file goes away on either invocation, so why listing both lines
[12:34] <rbasak> cpaelzer: IIRC, dpkg-maintscript-helper will only act on a conffile if it is owned (as seen by dpkg) by the package listed.
[12:34] <rbasak> So the two lines mean that the conffile with that name will be removed if owned by either package.
[12:35] <rbasak> Perhaps both packages dropped in that conffile in the past?
[12:35] <infinity> cpaelzer: Yeah, what rbasak said.
[12:35] <infinity> cpaelzer: If it's owned by one package and you call if for another, it should blissfully ignore your request to remove it.
[12:36] <cpaelzer> so the double line is a safety like "whoever owns it atm" in the mind of dpkg
[12:37] <rbasak> That's the effect it has, yes.
[12:37] <cpaelzer> hrm, ok so in my case I know who owns it so I can list only one
[12:37] <cpaelzer> thank you both rbasak and infinity
[12:38] <cpaelzer> this issue I'm on was just messy enough that I wanted to make sure I understand that bit as well
[12:39] <infinity> cpaelzer: You shouldn't need to list <package> at all, if you're doing the rm_conffile bits in the right package's maintainer scripts.
[12:39] <infinity> cpaelzer: And, in fact, it's better if you don't, cause then you also don't have to think about if you should or shouldn't have an arch qualifier, etc.
[12:40] <cpaelzer> yeah that is what dpkg-maintscript-helper told me as well
[12:40] <infinity> cpaelzer: The libvirt case above was super special because he was using one package's maint scripts to remove a conffile that was potentially in a different (and no longer existent) package previously.
[12:44] <cpaelzer> which is just where I am in now, but that solves it
[12:45] <cpaelzer> the maintscript function ensure_package_owns_file e.g. on a mv_conffile will check source and target
[12:45] <cpaelzer> so if at the same time it renamed + moved between packages
[12:45] <cpaelzer> then I need the double lines
[12:46] <cpaelzer> which is slightly different to the examples rm_conffile example, but still makes sense now
[12:46] <cpaelzer> thanks
[14:59] <nacc> rbalint: thanks on the sql bug
[14:59] <nacc> rbasak: --^ rather!
[15:00] <nacc> Skuggen: ah thanks for the context, I was trying to figure that out without installing mysql myself in a test env :)
[22:50] <slangasek> Laney: fwiw debhelper 10.4 appears to cause cdbs to FTBFS
[22:51] <slangasek> (and possibly misbehave at runtime?)(


[01:52] <arraybolt3> I'm experiencing unusually frequent plasmashell and kwin_x11 crashes on Kubuntu 22.04. I have quite a few apps open (QEMU, KAte, Element, Thunderbird, Chrome, Dolphin, Discover, and a few Konsole windows). Sometimes they aren't automatically reloading after crash and I have to killall and restart them manually. Any recent changes that might have caused this? Using Plasma 5.24.
[01:52] <arraybolt3> Checking journalctl for anything interesting now.
[01:54] <arraybolt3> I'm not seeing anything interesting, though that may be because plasmashell isn't logging to the right place now that I have it started manually.
[01:54] <arraybolt3> K, I have them both running in a terminal, I'll report back with the error next time I get a crash.
 I'm seeing this as well.  AMD GPU.... (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> I'm experiencing unusually frequent plasmashell and kwin_x11 crashes on Kubuntu 22.04. I have quite a few apps open (QEMU, KAte, Element, Thunderbird, Chrome, Dolphin, Discover, and a few Konsole windows). Sometimes they aren't automatically reloading after crash and I have to killall and restart them manually. Any recent changes that might have caused this? Using Plasma 5.2
[01:55] <arraybolt3> Mine are with Intel graphics.
 Its been really frustrating, so I decided to enable Backports and upgraded to 5.25
 And I'm getting some what similar issues...
 I'm contemplating Tuxedo OS because they've just moved over to Plasma 5.27... and based on 22.04.  However... I'm wondering if its something to do with 22.04 itself?  Its super frustrating because I upgraded from 20.04 about a month ago, and that was pretty much perfect... Kind of regretting it.
[01:57] <arraybolt3> I just remembered that I have Vulkan enabled in Chrome, maybe that's the problem?
 you think thats the issue?  I switched over to the Brave Browser from Firefox, because Firefox has been dragging down my performance and Brave runs much faster and lighter
 How do I check if Vulkan is enabled... and what does disabling it do?
 I gotta big decision to make.... I'm on the same Kubuntu install since 16.04, and contemplating switching distros off the Ubuntu base completely, and moving over to Spiral Linux KDE.
 Spiral Linux is running Plasma 5.20 and is on Debian Stable, so I won't be leaving the Deb and Apt world...
 but the crashes are majorly disrupting my workflow....
[02:01] <arraybolt3> Vulkan is some graphics accelerateion thing.
[02:01] <arraybolt3> You might be able to find it under chrome:flags if Brave has that menu.
[02:01]  * arraybolt3 disables and sees if stability improves
 Thanks!  I'll give it a shot
[02:02] <arraybolt3> I hope this is all it is. Vulkan is experimental in Chrome, so I wouldn't be too surprized if this was the cause.
[02:03] <arraybolt3> Could also be because I'm using Vulkan in Chrome and a non-Vulkan Electron app at the ssame time (Electron uses Chromium).
[02:03] <arraybolt3> Anyway, I'll experimenta around.
 Let me know what you experience.  I'll do the same
[02:04] <arraybolt3> *experiment
[05:22] <arraybolt3> @zparihar: Hmm, things were going well for a while and I just had kwin crash again. https://termbin.com/bu0s is the (I think) relevant output of my logs.
 Checking
[05:23] <arraybolt3> Looks like somehow the X server connection is dying?
 which log file is that btw?
[05:23] <arraybolt3> It's the stdout from kwin_x11 I believe.
[05:24] <arraybolt3> I didn't get it out of a logfile, I had to restart kwin in the terminal to get my session working and so I just left itin a terminal and caught the logs from that.
 aahh
 Got to bring this to the Kubuntu Devs attention
[05:25] <arraybolt3> I'll file a bug report.
 👍 (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> I'll file a bug report.)
[07:23] <skramer> Is it just me, or is 22.04 so buggy?
[07:24] <skramer> Does not remember settings after restart, does not remember where to place windows after standby, ...
[07:31] <skramer> It even does not remember the size of a window...
 22.04 is buggy for me
[08:17] <skramer> zparihar: +1
[13:29] <kilian> hi
 Forwarded from unknown: KDE Plasma 6.0 to feature Qt 6!
 https://news.itsfoss.com/kde-plasma-qt6/
[13:55] <OnkelTem> Hi all.
[13:55] <OnkelTem> On my Kubuntu 22.04.2 LTS X session stared to hang 5+ times per day when I'm switching desktops.
[13:56] <OnkelTem> Did you encounter such a weird behavior?
[13:57] <diogenes_Vx15> OnkelTem: what do you mean by switching desktops?
[13:58] <OnkelTem> diogenes_Vx15: moving from one to another. Virtual desktops
[13:58] <diogenes_Vx15> OnkelTem: you mean workspaces?
[13:59] <OnkelTem> diogenes_Vx15: they're called Virtual Desktops, I'm not sure what workspace is
[14:00] <OnkelTem> I mean, I'd think about workspace as of the whole environment, dunno
[14:01] <OnkelTem> https://i.imgur.com/TZ2Fbry.png
[14:01] <diogenes_Vx15> OnkelTem: check out your memory usage by running: free -m
[14:01] <diogenes_Vx15> especially pay attention to swap usage.
[14:02] <OnkelTem> swap is not used mostly, and I'm barely running of RAM
[14:03] <OnkelTem> the next time it hangs, I'll check it out anyway
[14:03] <OnkelTem> but I still doubt that's the reason. Any other ideas?
[14:04] <diogenes_Vx15> we can have a look at your specs if you want: inxi -Fxxc0 | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:04] <diogenes_Vx15> share the url.
[14:05] <OnkelTem> diogenes_Vx15: sure
[14:05] <OnkelTem> https://termbin.com/k36x
[14:08] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:18] <diogenes_Vx15> OnkelTem: my theory is that it might be related to the compositing backend, as far as i recll (haven't used plasma in awhile) there used to be 3 options to pick a compositing backend, openg 2 versions and xrender, the last one offered the smoothest performance but as i read some articles, it has been removed in 5.23 so there's no way to try it out and see if that fixes your issue. But maybe there are still other composining op
[14:18] <diogenes_Vx15> tions like disabling the composition alltogether and test it out.
[14:23] <OnkelTem> diogenes_Vx15: thank you very much, I'll start with disabling it maybe. However, I'm not sure where it's done. Maybe switching off desktop effect would be enough?
[14:24] <diogenes_Vx15> OnkelTem: try that too.
[14:24] <OnkelTem> Disabled switching animation for starters
[14:26] <diogenes_Vx15> OnkelTem: here is an interesting article if you are interested: https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/or5e08/kwin_dropped_xrender_backend_bad_news_for_nvidia/
[14:31] <OnkelTem> diogenes_Vx15: thanks. It seems some people've had fps issues since then. Mine 120Hz seem to be pretty stable.
[14:32] <OnkelTem> 5.24.x plasma here. Damn, how old it is :) The thread is 2y old now, and is talking about 5.32
[14:32] <OnkelTem> 5.23*
[14:59] <user|37> how do I obtain sound?
[15:00] <BluesKaj> first open alsamixer in the terminal, then make sure automute is disabled
[15:01] <user|37> I do not know the commands - help?
[15:07] <user|37> how to open alsamixer in terminal?
[15:16] <BluesKaj> type alsamixer
[15:16] <user|37> I found no evidence of mute or unmute
[15:17] <BluesKaj> most likely it's on far right
[15:18] <BluesKaj> it's called automute
[15:22] <user|37> I do not see it anywhere - how far to the right? As far as I can see I'm going as far to the right as I can.
[15:26] <BluesKaj> using the arrow keys?
[15:31] <user|37> I found it - how do I disable it?
[15:33] <user|37> I disabled it - still no sound....
[15:37] <BluesKaj> ok, use the escape key then type or copy and paste this command into the terminal, sudo lshw -C sound
[15:38] <user|37> OK....now what?
[15:39] <user|37> blueskaj - I did it - now what do I look for?
[15:39] <BluesKaj> look at the configuration output to find the sound card driver
[15:40] <user|37>  driver=snd_hda_intel latency=32
[15:40] <user|37> is what I see.....
[15:41] <user|37> bluekaj -  driver=snd_hda_intel latency=32
[15:42] <user|37> blueskaj -  driver=snd_hda_intel latency=32
[15:42] <user|37> sorry speeled wrong...
[15:42] <user|37> spelled
[15:44] <BluesKaj> ok, enter this command into the terminal and then reboot, sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel
[15:45] <BluesKaj> if there's no output then the driver is loaded
[15:46] <BluesKaj> it's a bug with some audio drivers that hasn't been addressed for yrs
[16:00] <user|37> blueskaj - I'm going to reboot now......
[16:00] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:02] <user|37> blueskaj - still no sound...
[16:04] <BluesKaj> check your sound volume speaker icon in the panel
[16:04] <BluesKaj> make sure it's at 80% or so
[16:05] <user|37> blueskaj - done
[16:10] <BluesKaj> now open pulseaudio volume ctrl in Kmenu/multimedia, then check output devices... if you don't have installed, open the terminal and do sudo apt install pavucontrol
[16:17] <user|37> blueskaj - I do but it reads : HDMI / Display Port 5(unplugged)
[16:19] <BluesKaj> click on that for other options
[16:23] <user|37> blueskaj - nothing reads other options - I just see advanced options...
[16:24] <BluesKaj> or choose the configuration tab and find the output port that you're using on the soundcard
[16:25] <BluesKaj> what kind of audio setup are you using?
[16:26] <user|37> blueskaj - I just have a BOSE speaker hooked up to the back of my PC on the audio port.
[16:28] <user|37> blueskaj - I figured it out - thank you soooooo much for being patient with me!!
[16:29] <BluesKaj> you're welcome .. happy  listening! :-)
[16:29] <user|37> YES!!!!
[16:31] <BluesKaj> :-)
[19:48] <weedmic> my safenet etoken with openconnect works fine for all my files in firefox, except - when I got to https://nloutlook.nl.jonkheer.com/owa/#path=/mail - it asks me to login, instead of just opening up (like it does in windows with the same key).  Any ideas on what to do would be helpful.
[20:05] <weedmic>  re:  my question, i think the problem was that ubuntu used snap version of  prospect mail, and i could  find no way to load the full version.
[20:57] <valorie> "full version"?
[20:57] <valorie> snap is just a way to package and contain software


[00:04] <MarkB1> Nivex: upgraded from the "gui updater" (muon + ?) fromKubu 11.10 to 12.04 today -- no issues -- did have to reinstall virtualbox + its support (new 3.2.x Linux kernel)
[00:14] <MarkB1> urgh... perhaps except for Flash (yes, it won't die) plugin on Moz Firefox not being "seen" -- 12.04 Kubu -- bah1   Kinda kills youtube experience....
[00:14] <MarkB1> bah!
[00:15] <Nivex> I've been intentionally going without flash for awhile. Seems hit or miss on what Youtube vids show up in the HTML5 "trial"
[00:15] <MarkB1> Nivex: how to do such trial?
[00:15] <Nivex> http://www.youtube.com/html5/
[00:15] <MarkB1> thanks!
[00:17] <MarkB1> root@ada:~# wajig reinstall flashplugin-installer  ## /me tries to get this d*((&*&* thing working
[00:21] <MarkB1> that did it, after a restart of Ffox!!  OK!
[16:10] <MarkB1> phun -- found another quirk in kubu 12.04 -- usb keys aren't being recog'd and automounted
[23:34] <Nivex> billf_: had a random reboot on my x220 this afternoon. hopefully is a fluke.


[00:00] <oerheks> dostoyevsky, install synaptic, to see more details in their ppa
[00:00] <sarnold> dostoyevsky: apt policy foo
[00:00] <oerheks> !info synaptic
[00:01] <dostoyevsky> # apt policy jitsi # only lists one version, alas...
[00:02] <sarnold> you can also grep /var/lib/apt/lists/ I think
[00:14] <dostoyevsky> oerheks: synaptic requires an x11 server, no?  (I am just usign a vps)
[00:16] <sonicx79> ya same thing with mate
[00:17] <dostoyevsky> so I am grepping now old packages from https://download.jitsi.org/jitsi/debian/ and write a script that does dpkg -i for each .deb and their dependencies...
[00:18] <sonicx79> https://imgur.com/r4ebMxs
[00:19] <sonicx79> not sure if this will help ^
[00:19] <sarnold> sonicx79: changing software's not going to fix that one
[00:20] <oerheks> seems like a memory error?
[00:20] <sarnold> sonicx79: that's probably failing hardware -- or failed hardware -- you may try reseating memory sticks or simimlar
[00:20] <oerheks> bank 0
[00:20] <sarnold> or replacing memory sticks
[00:20] <oerheks> yes, worth a check
[00:20] <sonicx79> ok let me give it a go
[00:22] <oerheks> dostoyevsky,  i have no clue with jitsi than the manual, all i see there are recent updates in https://download.jitsi.org/stable/
[00:35] <glguy> Within VMWare: Is there a way to make my Ubuntu 19.10 desktop install remember that I want a 200% scale factor even if I slightly resize the window or even reboot the computer?
[00:39] <dostoyevsky> oerheks: yeah... and I can see the old versions now with "apt policy jitsi-meet" but I cannot install them, there are depency errors... so I am writing a script to fetch the debs by hand and do dpkg -i on each.... and install their other depencies before with apt install
[00:39] <glguy> Oh, it looks like this just might be broken :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-settings-daemon/+bug/1689356
[00:39] <oerheks> apt install -f #  would do the trick too, i guess
[00:40] <sonicx79> same thing still
[00:40] <oerheks> glguy, that was unity, not gnome3 ?
[00:42] <glguy> oerheks: that might have changed, but the bug persists
[00:42] <dostoyevsky> oerheks: `apt install -f' <- this will get me the missing dependencies dpkg complains about?
[00:43] <oerheks> -f fix missing
[00:48] <sonicx79> bios says hp pavilion dv6700 not 6000?
[00:54] <pavlos> jvwjgames: are you using virt-manager? (open the vm details, in boot options there is start vm on host boot up
[01:06] <sonicx79> 1280x800 resolution
[01:07] <JoakimZiegler> Hello, trying to run virt-install on 20.04 passing through a PCI NIC, IOMMU should be correctly configured, but it gives me ERROR    internal error: qemu unexpectedly closed the monitor: 2020-04-04T01:05:11.130353Z qemu-system-x86_64: -device vfio-pci,host=0000:44:00.0,id=hostdev0,bus=pci.3,addr=0x0: vfio 0000:44:00.0: failed to setup container for group 48: Failed to set iommu for container: Operation not permitted
[01:07] <lotuspsychje> JoakimZiegler: come join at #ubuntu+1 for 20.04 support please
[01:07] <JoakimZiegler> lotuspsychje: Will do, thanks.
[01:10] <dostoyevsky> while installing jitsi it asks for a domain name that I need to enter... I want to run it in a dockerfile however--is there a general way to supply the string to be input to dpkg -i ?  like `echo domain | dpkg -i package.deb' ?
[01:22] <faceface> night
[01:24] <rfm> dostoyevsky, I've never done it, but the debconf utilities are supposed to do that.  The third answer in this so question looks pretty complete: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/702248/how-can-i-automate-dpkg-apt-get
[01:34] <aaardvark__> I'm running an Ubuntu 16.4 VPS - all looks good - I happened to run nethogs and it is showing me: root104.148.41.xxx:9530 -<IP_ADDRESS>:53391 - this is a vietnamese site that it appears to be connecting to - 1) am I correct that the 115... is being connected to from my 104.. site 2) how do I discover what process is doing this?
[01:34] <johnfg> hi guys
[01:35] <johnfg> I just followed a web page to be able to play dvds, but it still won't play.
[01:36] <johnfg> The error is: DVD source is required to play the file, but is not installed.
[01:37] <oerheks> the install is 2 step, i think
[01:38] <oerheks> udo apt install libdvd-pkg && sudo dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkg
[01:39] <Bashing-om> johnfg: ^^ +1
[02:18] <CrtxReavr> How do I upgrade from one LTS version to the next?
[02:20] <Bashing-om> CrtxReavr: System fully updated - PPAs reverted - terminal command ' sudo do-release-upgrade ' .
[02:21] <CrtxReavr> No file I need to touch that specifies the verion?
[02:21] <CrtxReavr> version
[02:22] <Bashing-om> CrtxReavr: No not generally if you were on a LTS and upgrading to LTS the upgrade manager is set to go.
[02:22] <dax> its behavior is controlled by /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[02:22] <dax> you want it to say prompt=lts
[02:23] <CrtxReavr> Okay - thanks. . . I'll give it a try.
[02:23] <dax> (which it will by default for LTS releases)
[02:23] <MrKeuner> hi, enabled night light on 18.04 (using GnomeShell). Second monitor doesn't apply the night light setting. How can I fix it?
[02:25] <MrKeuner> default is monitor 2, that one enabled night light. monitor 1 did not.
[02:26] <oerheks> both on the same videocard?
[02:30] <MrKeuner> Yes,  but different types of ports
[02:31] <MrKeuner> monitor 1 is VGA 2 is DVI
[02:31] <MrKeuner> oerheks, would VGA be a problem?
[02:31] <oerheks> no, that should be oke
[02:32] <CrtxReavr> Bashing-om / dax, do-release-upgrade is giving me a curious error: https://bpaste.net/FTIQ
[02:32] <Bashing-om> CrtxReavr: looking.
[02:32] <dax> don't use -d
[02:32] <CrtxReavr> I didn't.
[02:32] <dax> and apart from that, what version of ubuntu are you currently on
[02:33] <CrtxReavr> Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS
[02:34] <dax> that's the current stable LTS release
[02:34] <CrtxReavr> I'd swear I saw 20.04 LTS was out.
[02:34] <dax> it comes out at the end of this month
[02:35] <CrtxReavr> I see - thanks.
[02:35] <dax> and isn't offered for upgrade until later anyway, to iron out any issues (so if you want to upgrade right after release, you want to use -d then)
[02:37] <Bashing-om> CrtxReavr: See too: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-beta-testing-ubuntu-20-04-lts-official-ubuntu-flavors/15157
[02:38] <CrtxReavr> yeah, I'll pass. . . don't need any drama with that VM.
[02:40] <Bashing-om> CrtxReavr: :D 18.04 for the win.
[02:41] <dax> CrtxReavr: in that case, you'll want to sit for now, and once the upgrade's offered in a few months, go for it :)
[03:40] <tripelb> I'm having a problem in 18.04. I have an idea that it is in grub. I add ed grub as a DE in 1804. It seems to have infected all of my partitions. They all are prefixed by elementary in grub. When I load 1804 it is unstable and I get a flickering window that says it is caja
[03:46] <matsaman> tripelb: what if you add a new user and log in as that user?
[03:47] <tripelb> How can I add a new user if it is vibrating.  Let me boot it up and try that.
[03:47] <matsaman> CTRL+ALT+F2, yeah
[03:48] <matsaman> if there's no real problem with a new user, then your user's configs in ~/ are confusing something
[03:48] <matsaman> most likely
[04:57] <r3dux> I ran sudo update-initramfs -u as directed for an unrelated matter and it broke bluetooth, now when i boot up bluetooth is off and ubuntu doesnt want to let me turn it on... help!
[04:58] <EriC^^> r3dux: what was the unrelated matter?
[04:58] <r3dux> getting rid of purple boot screen
[04:59] <r3dux> "bluetoothctl scan on" returns "No default controller available"
[05:00] <EriC^^> r3dux: does sudo rfkill list    give anyhting?
[05:01] <r3dux> yes, can i paste bin it to you
[05:01] <EriC^^> ok
[05:02] <r3dux> https://pastebin.com/tggZu1gx
[05:07] <r3dux> EriC^^: you see it?
[05:07] <EriC^^> r3dux: looks fine, nothing blocked
[05:10] <r3dux> hcitool del is returning no devices
[05:10] <r3dux> as is bluetoothctl
[05:10] <r3dux> how would i reinstall bluetooth drivers?
[05:13] <EriC^^> r3dux: try looking for what they're called in "lspci -nnk" output and reinstall the package related to it
[05:18] <r3dux> im not seeing any bluetooth devides in lspci -k now
[05:46] <AlmarShenwan> i've ubuntu 19 with nvidia g210m.. with or without nvidia driver.. hdmi and backlight control not working
[05:46] <AlmarShenwan> whats the best solution? or where to find the answer?..
[06:31] <takov751> Hello there.
[06:33] <takov751> General question I am trying to debug a pihole installation,however at some point i came across the systemd-resolve service. If i get it right I am able to set it to use DNS over TLS without any third party binary . Did I get that right? my only resource at the moment is Archwiki
[06:47] <p0a> Hello all! I was thinking of taking up drawing (I have a tablet). Any good free software? Is GIMP a good idea?
[06:47] <p0a> It would be nice if the software came with some tutorials too. Not necessarily official
[06:49] <atol-71> I have wacom and gimp works just great with it. If you have any knowledge of Photoshop gimp is fairly easy
[06:49] <p0a> thank atol-71
[06:51] <lestac> inkscape is another option p0a
[06:52] <p0a> lestac: I have Inkscape but I thought it is for a different purpose
[06:52] <p0a> lestac: I am thinking of those cool drawings you see sometimes online (like speed drawings etc). I think Inkscape is for rasterized stuff right?
[06:52] <p0a> no -- vector graphics.
[07:09] <atol-71> jeah inkscape is for vectors if you are looking for pixel based its gimp
[07:11] <p0a> thank you
[07:11] <p0a> I will go with gimp :) Thanks again
[07:12] <atol-71> nw :)
[07:24] <CarlFK> I have 2 grub.cfg - one on sda1/boot and on sda5/boot - I am booted into the sda1 one.  how do I tell grub to use sda5?
[07:24] <CarlFK> which has entries for both sda1 and 5
[07:58] <sonicx> hello I've been dealing with a screen resolution problem with a HP Pavilion 6700 just to install ubuntu-mate. I had to slowly navigate my way through the wonky screen resolution to the display setting to change my screen to 1024x768 just so I could navgate my system. I cannot use 1280x800 as it break my screen in a way
[08:09] <sonicx> any one?
[08:18] <matsaman> sonicx: hi
[08:18] <matsaman> sonicx: what's the problem?
[08:18] <sonicx> I've been dealing with a screen resolution problem with a HP Pavilion 6700 just to install ubuntu-mate. I had to slowly navigate my way through the wonky screen resolution to the display setting to change my screen to 1024x768 just so I could navgate my system. I cannot use 1280x800 as it break my screen in a way
[08:19] <sonicx> just repeating what I said earlier^
[08:19] <matsaman> that doesn't really specify the problem
[08:19] <matsaman> it almost reads like you already solved it
[08:19] <matsaman> "my screen is FOO but I want it to be BAR"
[08:20] <sonicx> fair sorry
[08:20] <matsaman> you want it to be 1280x800?
[08:21] <matsaman> is it a 'DV6700'?
[08:21] <sonicx> yes
[08:21] <matsaman> and you want it to have 1280x800 res?
[08:22] <sonicx> yes
[08:22] <matsaman> sonicx: what graphics devices does it have? (lspci | grep -i vga)
[08:24] <sonicx> when I use fbset -i      I get nouveaudrmfb
[08:24] <matsaman> sonicx: okay
[08:24] <matsaman> sonicx: you probably are trying to use a nvidia graphics device
[08:24] <sonicx> yes
[08:25] <matsaman> sonicx: one straightforward solution is likely to use the proprietary driver from nvidia instead of nouveau
[08:25] <matsaman> sonicx: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+question/177317#comment-9
[08:26] <matsaman> sonicx: and here's a bug seemingly about nouveau vs 1280x800: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70972
[08:27] <matsaman> I'd be surprised if it would be terribly hard to get working, but using the proprietary nvidia driver is probably more straightforward
[08:27] <matsaman> if you the laptop also has intel onboard, which is likely, that's another option, and would probably save a lot of power
[08:27] <matsaman> and if you don't care about power and want all the oomf you can get, unfortunately that's another argument to use the proprietary driver
[08:28] <matsaman> nouveau is lovely and less buggy in general, but it's always got to play catchup to the proprietary upstream driver
[08:29] <sonicx> in that case Im ok ruining it at  1024x768 but my boot up and my login screen mess up
[08:30] <sonicx> it looks like it was zoomed-in than duplicated
[08:30] <matsaman> I would look into disabling graphics/framebuffer for GRUB and the like, personally
[08:30] <matsaman> it's unimportant to have fancy graphics during bootup
[08:31] <matsaman> and as you can see, actually problematic
[08:31] <sonicx> so how would I go about fixing that?
[08:32] <sonicx> Im just looking for it to be stable at the moment
[08:33] <matsaman> sonicx: https://support.digium.com/s/article/How-to-disable-the-Linux-frame-buffer-if-it-s-causing-problems
[08:35] <matsaman> or possibly here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/92276/how-do-i-boot-into-true-text-mode
[08:35] <matsaman> sorry not finding official docs on the matter
[08:36] <sonicx> no your fine your helping a lot
[08:37] <matsaman> sure, would just be my preference for there to be an item on the Ubuntu wiki or the like; think there used to be
[08:37]  * matsaman shrugs
[08:38] <matsaman> distro I use doesn't have graphics for boot unless you explicitly opt into that, and I've never had a reason to do that, so I don't know a lot about it these days
[08:48] <Hamilton> I'm getting lots of `mce: CPU3: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 1053)` errors in journalctl but temp is ~50. Is this a bug?
[08:50] <Hamilton> And I'm experiencing random shutdowns but I've not found the reason (thermal or internal battery)...This also happens on Windows (and temperatures there are also much less than 105, about 50-60)
[08:50] <sonicx> ok is there a way to tell the login screen to look at the set screen resolution from the user session? or somthing like that?
[08:51] <sonicx> for example I have it set to 1024x768 how do I set the login menu to that
[08:58] <pyzozord> hey my touchpad feels kind of shaky. When I do very slow and small movements it looks like it's snapping between pixels instead of moving smoothly. Also often when i "tap" (I have "tap to click" enabled) it jumps and the clicks goes into empty space instead of on the button. Is there any way to adjust the advanced settings of how touchpad behaves? (I already set the sensitivity, it doesnt help)
[09:20] <funnybunny2> Hello. I just plugged in my headphones and noticed my sound is suddenly not working. It wored the last time I used my computer. The only output device now is "Dummy Output"
[09:21] <funnybunny2> I tried pulseaudio -k && sudo alsa force-reload as per https://askubuntu.com/questions/914463/dummy-output-no-sound-in-ubuntu-16-04 I also tried the disable sound in the bios and reenable it method, but I couldn't find an option to disable sound in my bios
[09:24] <funnybunny2> I am on Ubuntu 18.04 btw
[09:25] <funnybunny2> I see skl_hda_dsp_generic skl_hda_dsp_generic: Unsupported HDAudio/iDisp configuration found in my bios
[09:26] <funnybunny2>  skl_hda_dsp_generic: probe of skl_hda_dsp_generic failed with error -22
[09:56] <converge> I download gecko driver linux 64, and when I try to execute it like chmod +x geckodriver ; ./geckodriver, it says sh: ./geckodriver: not found , but I can see it in my folder. Any tip?
[10:00] <Hamilton> Can someone help me with my thermal problem? I get this graph just for watching psensor and few text-based FF tab open. https://i.imgur.com/cPFLOda.png
[10:01] <N1k0nP> converge: Are you sure that geckodriver is a file, not a directory?
[10:01] <converge> Nik05, Im, I actually did the same steps on my macOS and it works
[10:04] <converge> Got a previous version and it works
[10:23] <oerheks> converge, and what guide do you follow?
[10:24] <converge> oerheks, none, do you need some assistance?
[10:25] <oerheks> converge,  no i am trying to help you,
[10:26] <oerheks> you see it in your folder, but the package is not found, weird
[10:26] <converge> Thx, its working now, there is some issue with geckodriver 0.26, 0.25 works well
[10:26] <converge> n
[10:27] <oerheks> on what firefox version/
[10:27] <oerheks> their site says; Note that with this release (0.26) the minimum recommended Firefox version has changed to Firefox ≥60.
[10:27] <converge> Latest ESR
[10:28] <oerheks> oh esr, that is your problem then
[10:28] <converge> Not really.. I didn't try to connect to firefox, I was just trying to run geckodriver
[10:52] <oerheks> woohoo, OpenTTD 1.10.0 released
[10:57] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:03] <mati> Hi, I'm using Xfce and I'm trying to create a shortcut for switching between workspaces but I can't set the shortcut as menu+1: the window manager settings save it as "1". Is there any way to create a shortcut with the menu key?
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> mati: the #xubuntu guys might know that perhaps
[11:04] <mati> lotuspsychje: alright, I'll ask there then
[11:49] <funnybunny2> Hey, I was in here earlier. My sound suddenly stopped working and my output device is "Dummy Output". There is the following in my dmesg:
[11:49] <funnybunny2> skl_hda_dsp_generic skl_hda_dsp_generic: Unsupported HDAudio/iDisp configuration found
[11:49] <funnybunny2> skl_hda_dsp_generic: probe of skl_hda_dsp_generic failed with error -22
[11:56] <ioria> funnybunny2, what's your kernel ?
[11:58] <funnybunny2> ioria: 5.3.0-42-generic
[11:58] <funnybunny2> Maybe this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1856376
[11:59] <funnybunny2> Want to know if there is any workaround
[11:59] <ioria> funnybunny2, probably this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-oem-osp1/+bug/1864061
[12:01] <ioria> funnybunny2, echo "options snd-hda-intel dmic_detect=0" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[12:01] <funnybunny2> It's weird because my sound was working before and I didn't do any installs
[12:01] <oerheks> oh, current is  5.3.0-45
[12:01] <oerheks> sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[12:01] <ioria> funnybunny2, ho, ye try to update the kernel first
[12:01] <funnybunny2> OK
[12:01] <funnybunny2> Yeah, I don't want to edit any system config files if I don't have to
[12:02] <funnybunny2> If I do, I need to make a memo or something
[12:02] <ioria> funnybunny2, what release ? bionic or eoan ?
[12:02] <funnybunny2> I don't know
[12:02] <funnybunny2> 18.04
[12:02] <ioria> funnybunny2, cat /etc/issue
[12:02] <funnybunny2> ioria: Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS \n \l
[12:03] <ioria> funnybunny2, yeah, sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[12:03] <funnybunny2> What does full-upgrade do? Was there a big release recently?
[12:04] <funnybunny2> Oh, it's just a cleaner upgrade
[12:06] <ioria> funnybunny2,  you need to reboot to use the new kernel
[12:06] <funnybunny2> Oh, so it is a kernel upgrade
[12:06] <funnybunny2> Is that different from an Ubuntu release upgrade?
[12:06] <ioria> funnybunny2,  sure
[12:07] <funnybunny2> Must Ubuntu release upgrades be done manually?
[12:07] <ioria> funnybunny2,  now you're just upgrading the kernel not the release
[12:07] <funnybunny2> Right
[12:07] <funnybunny2> My internet is too slow right now. It says it will take 2 hours to download the roughly 300 MB upgrades
[12:08] <funnybunny2> I'm tethered to my slow phone
[12:08] <ioria> funnybunny2,  not a good idea
[12:08] <funnybunny2> Haha
[12:08] <funnybunny2> I'll be home in 30 min or so
[12:09] <funnybunny2> I wonder if I can use my wireless headphones still...
[12:10] <funnybunny2> Yep
[12:10] <funnybunny2> Cool
[12:10] <funnybunny2> lol
[12:11] <funnybunny2> Unrelated, but is there a way to disable the function where when I press the Windows key I get a screen that shows a preview of all the windows I have open?
[12:12] <funnybunny2> I use Windows key + 1, Windows key + 2, etc. to open programs on the taskbar thing, but I often accedentally pull up this preview screen and I don't like it
[12:14] <echoSMILE> My laptop maximum brightness level is quite low, can I force to increase it for a bigger level ?
[12:20] <ioria> funnybunny2,  you keep pressed too long; by default it's bound to the left Win key, you can use the right one or disable it in gsettings
[12:21] <ioria> funnybunny2,  check how it's set;    gsettings get org.gnome.mutter overlay-key
[12:22] <ioria> echoSMILE, you can use xrandr
[12:31] <funnybunny2> ioria: Thanks. I will just set it to the right Win key
[12:31] <ioria> funnybunny2,  ok
[12:56] <arunpyasi> Hi everyone, has anyone here played with plymouth colors ? I wanted to change the plymouth text theme color but the color codes look weird
[13:13] <Biessie> Good Morning!
[13:17] <Biessie> only a few more days roughly for 20.04 huh?
[13:18] <BluesKaj> weeks
[13:18] <Biessie> april 20th?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> 23rd ?
[13:20] <oerheks> maybe ..
[13:20] <Biessie> Whats typically the differences from a LTS vs a non LTS?
[13:21] <Biessie> just more fine tuning for longer periods of times before they add new features?
[13:21] <oerheks> lazy and active sysadmins
[13:22] <elioporco> hello, i've a issue with my usb hd, i can't remove it, my ubuntu says device is busy also i've tryed with-gnome-disk-manager to unmount and remove it but also in this case it's an error
[13:22] <exell> Can anyone point me in the right direction to add a custom icon to a specific file please? KDE Plasma 5 with 19.04. Google is a bit useless
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Focal discussion in #ubuntu+1 chat, Biessie
[13:23] <elioporco> now are ten minutes that i wait to esplell it
[13:24] <elioporco> can someone help me pls?
[13:24] <elioporco> i've tryed all i know
[13:25] <Biessie> elioporco : When someone that is able to assist you reads your request they will chime in.
[13:25] <oerheks> fuser -k /media/<yourdisk>  # could kill processes using the disk, can affect data
[13:26] <echoSMILE> ioria: but xrandr allow me to increase the brightness above the currrent  1100% level ?
[13:26] <echoSMILE> *100%
[13:26] <Biessie> echoSMILE : You trying to light up the neighborhood?
[13:26] <Biessie> haha
[13:27] <FManTropyx> lol
[13:27] <echoSMILE> Biessie: well, my laptop outside under daylight sucks
[13:28] <osse> Hi, guys. Is there a convenient way of tagging/labeling/whatever the locations shown here? https://imgur.com/a/Jl3n0o4
[13:29] <elioporco> oerheks sorry but media is empty
[13:29] <elioporco> oerheks seems to be already unmounted but the device is already spinning
[13:31] <elioporco> oerhekshowever thanks a lot, don't worry i'm reading about fuser
[13:50] <funnybunny2> Hi, I'm back
[13:50] <funnybunny2> I completed the upgrade and my sound is still broken.
[13:51] <funnybunny2> Also, I tried setting my super key back to left Windows key and now it doesn't work gsettings set org.gnome.mutter overlay-key Super_L
[13:52] <funnybunny2> Ubuntu is so janky! Ugh
[13:52] <funnybunny2> It's supposed to be the most polished Linux too
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> funnybunny2: did you try to boot kernel 5.3 -40 ?
[13:53] <funnybunny2> lotuspsychje: Not manually? I just did apt upgrade and then apt full-upgrade
[13:53] <funnybunny2> It says my kernel is 5.3.0-45-generic
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> funnybunny2: if you still have the -40 please try?
[13:54] <funnybunny2> lotuspsychje: Huh?
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> funnybunny2: dpkg --list | grep linux-image see if you still got -40
[13:55] <mmfood> I am doing a buffer overflow lab in a Ubuntu VM. I have completed it pretty much but there is a weird issue with different shells. For instance, I ssh in to a bash shell and execute the vulnerable program and get a "Illegal instruction" message.  Why is it working in the nested shell but not in the "outer" shell?
[13:56] <funnybunny2> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/kGtJdLmN
[13:56] <oerheks> we love doing your homework, mmfood
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> funnybunny2: try booting -37
[13:56] <oerheks> i think you better reask in the kali channels?
[13:57] <mmfood> oerheks: yeah, I know. But the question is not about the exercise but about the behaviors of the shells
[13:57] <funnybunny2> lotuspsychje: How do I do that?
[13:57] <funnybunny2> lotuspsychje: Isn't it bad to boot an old kernel after I've already upgraded all my packages?
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> funnybunny2: hold shift at boot to enter grub, and pick ubuntu advanced options, then boot a kernel -37
[13:57] <funnybunny2> That sounds pretty nuts
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> funnybunny2: this is only for test purposes right now
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> funnybunny2: to check if you can reproduce your sound issue
[13:58] <funnybunny2> Um
[13:58] <funnybunny2> Are you expecting it to work on 37?
[13:58] <funnybunny2> Is that what you want tot test
[13:58] <funnybunny2> *to
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> funnybunny2: we had users confirming -40 works and 42 not, but you dont seem to have 40, so we try -37?
[13:59] <funnybunny2> OK
[13:59] <funnybunny2> I'll back up my stuff and try it
[14:00] <funnybunny2> Do you know how to fix my super key functionality first?
[14:00] <funnybunny2> I did gsettings set org.gnome.mutter overlay-key Super_R and then gsettings set org.gnome.mutter overlay-key Super_L and now the behavior wont revert
[14:00] <funnybunny2> I even restarted my computer
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> funnybunny2: install dconf-editor, see if you can tweak things there
[14:01] <funnybunny2> OK
[14:02] <funnybunny2> lotuspsychje: I don't understand this program. Does it do anything gsettings can't do?
[14:02] <funnybunny2> lotuspsychje: I don't know what options I need to change
[14:02] <funnybunny2> I only changed one thing and then changed it back
[14:04] <funnybunny2> nvm
[14:04] <funnybunny2> I just fixed it
[14:04] <funnybunny2> It was still set to Super_R. I set it to Super_L and it fixed it. I guess I mistyped something before
[14:04] <funnybunny2> I will try the old kernel now
[14:04] <funnybunny2> brb
[14:12] <funnybunny2> 37 has been removed from my grub menu
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> funnybunny2: only have 42 & 45?
[14:14] <funnybunny2> lotuspsychje: Yes
[14:15] <ioria> funnybunny2, new kernel -45 does not fix the audio ?
[14:15] <funnybunny2> ioria: No
[14:15] <ioria> funnybunny2, echo "options snd-hda-intel dmic_detect=0" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[14:17] <ioria> funnybunny2, ^ that it's just a text line in a text file, nothoing suspicious
[14:17] <funnybunny2> ioria: Yeah, I think I'm going to backup that file first
[14:17] <ioria> funnybunny2, then   :   echo "blacklist snd_soc_skl" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[14:18] <funnybunny2> omg
[14:18] <funnybunny2> Do this files ever get regenerated?
[14:18] <funnybunny2> *these
[14:18] <funnybunny2> I don't like just editing random system files
[14:19] <funnybunny2> ioria: Alright, done
[14:19] <funnybunny2> Should I reboot?
[14:19] <ioria> funnybunny2, yep
[14:20] <funnybunny2> ioria: OK, brb
[14:20] <funnybunny2> Sorry I have no IRC server
[14:22] <funnybunny2> ioria: It's fixed!
[14:22] <funnybunny2> Thanks
[14:22] <ioria> funnybunny2, ok
[14:22] <funnybunny2> So...
[14:22] <funnybunny2> Is this going to come through in an update eventually?
[14:23] <ioria> funnybunny2, a newer kernel, i'd say
[14:23] <funnybunny2> And do I need to revert the modprobe configs back manually, or will they get overwritten?
[14:23] <ioria> funnybunny2, the new kernel should fix the issue
[14:23] <funnybunny2> Hm...
[14:23] <funnybunny2> Do you know when that will be released?
[14:23] <funnybunny2> ioria: Where did you find the solution?
[14:24] <ioria> !info  linux-generic-hwe-18.04-edge bionic-proposed
[14:24] <ioria> funnybunny2, a new -46 kernel is already available in -proposed
[14:25] <funnybunny2> OK
[14:25] <ioria> funnybunny2, here : https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/06/fix-no-sound-dummy-output-issue-in.html
[14:25] <funnybunny2> Are there any good laptops that officially support Ubuntu?
[14:25] <funnybunny2> I don't like how stuff never works without tinkering
[14:26] <ioria> linux is tinkering
[14:26] <funnybunny2> That's really too bad IMO
[14:26] <ioria> no tinkering  no wisdom :þ
[14:27] <funnybunny2> I like many things about Linux, but it is way more janky with hardware than Windows
[14:28] <ioria> sure it is; but not its fault
[14:28] <funnybunny2> Mac is also better, but hey, macs are basically like video game consoles
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | funnybunny2 please
[14:28] <funnybunny2> mb
[14:42] <wadkar> how do I purge when I autoremove?
[14:43] <ioria> apt autoremove --purge
[14:43] <wadkar> ioria: thanks!
[14:43] <ioria> ok
[14:50] <mark4> what command line packages are available for extracting from a tar.lz4 file? i have tried xarchiver but its not working on one of my archives. it spends 2 hours flashing its red,green,red,green light and then says "there was an error" and gives me zero files
[14:53] <ducasse> !info lz4 | mark4
[14:53] <mark4> yes a LIBRARY not an application
[14:53] <mark4> i need an application that does extraction from a terminal
[14:54] <ducasse> "Fast LZ compression algorithm library - tool" - note the last word
[14:54] <ducasse> from package description: "This package contains files that is tool using liblz4."
[14:55] <mark4> yea ty. you are correct
[14:56] <mark4> Error 44 : Unrecognized header : file cannot be decoded
[14:56] <mark4> which is VERY bad :(
[14:56] <t3rminal> Hello folks
[14:56] <ducasse> mark4: might be corrupt, or made by an incompatible version
[14:57] <t3rminal> Has anyone been experiencing any networking issues over the past few days after running an update?
[14:57] <mark4> i am hoping the latter. its my ~ dir backed up prior to wipe/reinstall from gentoo
[14:58] <pragmaticenigma> t3rminal, During the current world events, a lot of people are presently working from home. So everyone is going to be experiencing some differences in their Internet connections. You will have to do some research and provide better detail about what you are seeing, otherwise I would assume that it is related to the many people that have been asked to stay indoors and are presently consuming lots of bandwidths in trying to keep
[14:59] <pragmaticenigma> entertained
[14:59] <t3rminal> Hey pragmaticenigma. I don't think it's anything to do with that unfortunately.
[15:00] <t3rminal> I've got a home server setup with some samba shares enabled which I then had added to an fstab file on another machine.
[15:00] <t3rminal> All has been running smoothly until yesterday.
[15:01] <pragmaticenigma> t3rminal, have you attempted to reboot all systems, also ensured that updates have been applied to all systems?
[15:01] <t3rminal> I rebooted my machine and no shares mounted and dmesg now shows this error
[15:01] <t3rminal> [   11.110609] CIFS: Attempting to mount //<IP_ADDRESS>/tv
[15:01] <t3rminal> [   11.110628] No dialect specified on mount. Default has changed to a more secure dialect, SMB2.1 or later (e.g. SMB3), from CIFS (SMB1). To use the less secure SMB1 dialect to access old servers which do not support SMB3 (or SMB2.1) specify vers=1.0 on mount.
[15:01] <t3rminal> [   11.110696] CIFS VFS: Error connecting to socket. Aborting operation.
[15:01] <t3rminal> [   11.110702] CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -2
[15:02] <EriC^> !paste | t3rminal
[15:02] <dirtwash> can someone vconfirm for me if this netplan config is sane? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8s5JQRJDB8/
[15:02] <dirtwash> because it doesnt work but it looks good to me
[15:02] <dirtwash> somehow the driver match never seems to work
[15:04] <pragmaticenigma> t3rminal, I believe your answer is right there in that error message, have you attempted to search those error messages?
[15:05] <t3rminal> yes. I added vers=3.0 to my fstab file which removes the which gets rid of the no dialect specified error but the rest still remain
[15:11] <pragmaticenigma> t3rminal, shot in the dark since you still have not provided any details. Try setting: x-systemd.mount-timeout=30  where 30 is the number of seconds to wait for the mount to finish
[15:14] <t3rminal> I'll give that a try pragmaticenigma. What extra details would be helpful?
[15:15] <pragmaticenigma> !details | t3rminal
[15:17] <t3rminal> pragmaticenigma pastebin of smb.conf on the host machine http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5ZRsZQ7mjr/
[15:19] <t3rminal> and this is the pastebin for the fstab on the client machine http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5bJvCt3PF8/
[15:19] <t3rminal> I'm running Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS on both machines
[15:21] <ice9> sometimes I can ssh to the server but most of the time icannot, no firewall enabled, any idea?
[15:21] <t3rminal> and thats the pastebin of the dmesg output on the client http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tWhWBnfbst/
[15:28] <ioria> t3rminal, does the server support vers3 ?
[15:29] <pragmaticenigma> t3rminal, it also appears that your network interfaces are being brought up after your system attempts to mount the file shares
[15:29] <oerheks> smb1 is recently disabled ?
[15:29] <oerheks> then yes, i guess the server is out of date
[15:29] <t3rminal> ioria I think so. How would I double check that?
[15:29] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks, Is considered highly vulnerable and is disabled in all recent versions of MS Windows. Ubuntu disables the dialect by default, but users can reenable it in the configuration file
[15:30] <ioria> t3rminal, 1) try to mount them manually;  2) try vers=1.0
[15:30] <t3rminal> pragmaticenigma now that sounds like an issue
[15:30] <oerheks> how long ago did you upgrade the server part?
[15:31] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks, it's their client machine having issues... not the server
[15:31] <pavlos> samba --version will tell you the version on the server
[15:31] <ioria> t3rminal, i guess it's an home network, right ?
[15:32] <t3rminal> pavlos pragmaticenigma ioria the samba version is Version 4.7.6-Ubuntu
[15:32] <t3rminal> it's a home network yes ioria
[15:32] <ioria> t3rminal, 1) try to mount them manually;  2) try vers=1.0
[15:33] <pragmaticenigma> pavlos, we're not interested in the samba version... but the protocol version
[15:34] <t3rminal> If i run mount -a they mount fine
[15:34] <oerheks> ntlm auth=true https://askubuntu.com/questions/1133578/windows-10-not-connecting-properly-with-samba-4-7-6-on-ubuntu-18-04
[15:35] <ioria> t3rminal, so, i'd say it's not a protocol issue
[15:35] <pragmaticenigma> t3rminal, if the mount fine after the system is completely booted, that would mean what I said earlier is true... the network interfaces are being brought up after your system attempted to mount the file shares
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> ioria oerheks seems like another user just reported audio troubles on that 5.3 -45 bug #1870805
[15:36] <ioria> lotuspsychje, i see
[15:36] <ioria> t3rminal, is that a wifi connection ?
[15:36] <t3rminal> sounds like we are getting somewhere then pragmaticenigma
[15:37] <t3rminal> Is it possible to change the order?
[15:39] <t3rminal> wired
[15:45] <pragmaticenigma> t3rminal, it is possible to change boot order, it's something that I'm not familiar with... I think something like adding "After=systemd-networkd.service" but I don't know what service is responsible for handling mounts
[15:46] <ioria> t3rminal, a quick test is to add _netdev to the mount options
[15:49] <t3rminal> so I add _netdev to the end of this? credentials=/home/magneto/.smbcredentials,iocharset=utf8,noperm
[15:50] <t3rminal> ioria so it now looks like this?
[15:50] <t3rminal> credentials=/home/magneto/.smbcredentials,iocharset=utf8,noperm,_netdev
[15:50] <pragmaticenigma> http://codingberg.com/linux/systemd_when_to_use_netdev_mount_option
[15:51] <ioria> t3rminal, i don't recall the details, but yes try in that order
[15:51] <t3rminal> fingers crossed
[15:52] <ioria> t3rminal, x-systemd.automount is another option
[15:53] <FManTropyx> hey, is xenial support over?
[15:53] <t3rminal> adding _netdev hasnt helped
[15:54] <oerheks> FManTropyx, yes ?
[15:54] <oerheks> !xenial
[15:55] <pragmaticenigma> FManTropyx, 16.04 is quickly approaching end-of-life... however it is still supported at this time... what is your question?
[15:55] <oerheks> ubuntu only, other flavors might have 3 years support
[15:56] <dirtwash> is there a way to remove an old interface that is not active in netplan anymore withou rebooting?
[15:56] <ioria> t3rminal, x-systemd.automount
[15:56] <FManTropyx> cool, thanks, my question was whether my currently installed 16.04 ubuntu is still being supported :)
[15:56] <ioria> t3rminal, at start, not at end
[15:57] <pragmaticenigma> FManTropyx, https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[15:59] <FManTropyx> tnx, I think I might do a reinstall with 20.04 LTS
[16:00] <i7ch> hey guys. i'm trying to setup a hp printer / scanner under linux/ubunt. i got the printer working, but the scanner is giving me hell. short story, i got the drivers from HP installed, "sane-find-scanner" does show me the device (on usb), but not scanning app does. so far i tired xsane, scanimage (cli) and simplescan (xfce4 app). none of the are able to detect my sanner.
[16:00] <i7ch> any hints on what might be wrong ?
[16:07] <t3rminal> pavlos pragmaticenigma ioria thatnks for the help
[16:07] <t3rminal> it's given me a few avenues to look at :-)
[16:08] <ioria> t3rminal, no prob
[16:08] <pavlos> t3rminal: yw
[16:12] <ioria> i7ch, does Hp require proprietary drivers ?
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> i7ch: the HP model please and your ubuntu version?
[16:16] <i7ch> ioria, it does. already installed got them from HP website and installed them
[16:16] <i7ch> lotuspsychje, device is HP laserver MFP 135a / ubuntu 18.04 amd64
[16:17] <i7ch> *laserjet
[16:17] <ioria> i7ch, i asked because usually hplip is enough
[16:17] <i7ch> ioria, this particular device IS NOT supported by hplip :(
[16:17] <ioria> i see
[16:17] <i7ch> stupid of me for not checking before placing the order :(
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> yeah there are bugs on those models
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hplip/+bug/1812392
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> i had to install latest hplip from the site on bionic
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> i7ch: if you can make it work with latest hplip, you want to affect my bug please?
[16:23] <ioria> i7ch, can you try to start simple-scann as root ?  sudo -H simple-scan
[16:23] <oerheks> In some cases, correct permissions needs to be set. The saned user has to be inserted into lp group. To do that by typing  sudo adduser saned lp
[16:23] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo
[16:24] <i7ch> @ioria, same thing. no scanner available message when I hit Scan button
[16:24] <i7ch> i already added my user to scanner group
[16:24] <ioria> i7ch,  do you have a /usr/lib64 directory ?
[16:24] <i7ch> not that it made any difference
[16:25] <i7ch> @ioria, nop. just /usr/lib32 and /usr/lib
[16:25] <oerheks> oke, then try not.
[16:26] <ioria> i7ch,  nothing useful in syslog or dmesg ?
[16:26] <i7ch> lotuspsychje, trying to download latest hplip (3.20.3) from sourceforge gets me 3.16.7? what gives ?
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> !info hplip bionic
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> i7ch: you need at least something higher then bionics version
[16:27] <i7ch> ah. it checks against OS version ?
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> i7ch: try latest hplip from the site
[16:29] <FManTropyx> I actually haven't used this computer in 18 months and apt-get tells me there are 530 packages to be upgraded
[16:29] <i7ch> @lotuspsychje, that's what i'm, saying. i try to get 3.20.x and donwloaded file it's actually 3.16.x
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> i7ch: https://sourceforge.net/projects/hplip/files/hplip/3.19.11/hplip-3.19.11.run/download?use_mirror=nchc
[16:30] <i7ch> @ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2sCWXpcJ8Q/
[16:30] <i7ch> do you make any sense of that?
[16:32] <ioria> not really
[16:32] <pavlos> FManTropyx: seems 16.04 has support till 2024
[16:32] <i7ch> yeah. me neither :(
[16:32] <ioria> i7ch,  driver issue
[16:32] <i7ch> @lotuspsychje, it times out ...
[16:32] <oerheks> pavlos, paid support
[16:33] <i7ch> nvm. got it
[16:33] <pavlos> oh ...
[16:34] <i7ch> what's the latest LTS? 18.04?
[16:36] <i7ch> yeah, it seems so.
[16:36] <i7ch> will 20.04 will be a LTS ?
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> yes
[16:36] <i7ch> cool
[16:38] <FManTropyx> I wonder why I have 106 not fully installed or removed
[16:40] <ducasse> FManTropyx: did you use apt full-upgrade?
[16:41] <i7ch> hmm. what's the best brand for a printer/scanner from the perspective of  linux support
[16:42] <FManTropyx> I don't think I have full-upgrade
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> i7ch: we dont really do polls here, we try to support the issues when they arise
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> !hardware | i7ch start here
[16:43] <FManTropyx> oh, it's for apt, right, no, I think I just apt-get upgrade
[16:43] <oerheks> check openprinting.org
[16:44] <i7ch> gotcha.
[16:44] <i7ch> thanks all of you for support
[16:44] <ducasse> FManTropyx: try apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> i7ch: please if you make it work with latest hplip, affect that bug and help the ubuntu community please
[16:45] <i7ch> i will for sure.
[16:45] <FManTropyx> ah, right, that's the thing... I have actually forgotten while not actively using Linux
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> i7ch: thank you
[16:48] <ice999> i  can telnet to port 22 100% of the time but i can ssh to it only 1 time out of 10; I get "connection reset" or "connectin closed" on the client with -v; there is no errors on the server side, any idea?
[16:50] <peeonyou> mtu?
[16:50] <ice999> peeonyou, mtu on the client or the server?
[16:50] <peeonyou> client
[16:52] <ice999> peeonyou, i can ssh 50 other servers normally
[16:53] <ice999> peeonyou, also i noticed on the server MTU:64000 is that normal?
[16:53] <pavlos> no
[16:55] <pavlos> ifconfig eth0 mtu 1500 on both server/client, retest
[16:58] <pavlos> ip a | grep mtu should give you the current setting
[17:00] <ice999> i set mtu to 1500 but still can't ssh
[17:02] <ice999> PeeOnYou, pavlos ^
[17:03] <pavlos> ice999: do the other 49 servers have mtu 1500 but only one is causing issues?
[17:06] <pavlos> ice999: found this 1-liner to calc mtu ... size=1272; while ping -s $size -c1 -M do google.com >&/dev/null; do ((size+=4)); done; echo "Max MTU size: $((size-4+28))"
[17:10] <ice999> pavlos, the max mtu on server is 1500 from your command
[17:10] <ice999> which is set
[17:11] <pavlos> ice999: and mtu of the client is ... (running that 1-liner)
[17:12] <ice999> pavlos, 24 lol
[17:14] <pavlos> ice999: how come?? the script starts at 1272 and does +4 every time ... how do you get 24 ??
[17:14] <ice999> haha no idea
[17:14] <ice999> ah wait
[17:15] <ice999> pavlos, i didn't copy the initial size param,  sorry,  now it's 1296 on the client
[17:16] <pavlos> ice999: ping -c 5 <IP_ADDRESS> | nc termbin.com 9999                            post url
[17:24] <ice999> pavlos, https://termbin.com/v8xow
[17:25] <ice999> pavlos, i'm on wifi and a bit far from the router, so readings should be a bit better
[17:25] <ice999> or faster, but no packet loss
[17:26] <tatertots> telnet to port 22 ALWAYS works...have you stopped and then started sshd?
[17:26] <ice999> tatertots, yes, restarted the service
[17:26] <pavlos> ice999: yeah, times is rather high, I get 20 ms, not 125 ms
[17:26] <tatertots> is the system a local system or a cloud VPS system?
[17:26] <ice999> pavlos, i'm not in your country, i'm from far location to the dns servers
[17:27] <ice999> tatertots, VPS
[17:28] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi guys whats the default network gui client in ubuntu lts?
[17:29] <Eryn_1983_FL> its it nm-applet??
[17:29] <Eryn_1983_FL> it doesnt look like mine in deb,
[17:29] <tatertots> do you have only this one instance with the VPS provider?..can you ssh into a second VM/or instance on the same VPS provider...
[17:29] <tatertots> your VPS provider may be having latency or issues with the infrastructure they use
[17:29] <tatertots> and that's something completely outside of your control
[17:30] <ice999> tatertots, yes i can ssh to another server from the same provider
[17:30] <ice999> btw when i restart networking i get "stop: Job failed while stopping"
[17:31] <tatertots> other instances work fine...that indicates a issue with that one specific instance/virtual machine...try deploying a different *nix image or rebuild your VM/instance
[17:31] <tatertots> it's isolated to one instance so your problem lies there
[17:33] <tatertots> compare the ubuntu/*nix version of the image/instance that has the problem to the instance/VM that does NOT have the problem....are they identical?
[17:33] <ice999> tatertots, the other server is physical
[17:34] <tatertots> a "physical" system hosted on the same VPS provider?
[17:34] <ice999> yes
[17:34] <tatertots> still isolated to your VPS providers virtual infrastructure
[17:35] <tatertots> deploy a new instance/VM..change *nix version if available and test
[17:36] <tatertots> already sounds like you should probably open a trouble ticket with your VPS provider
[17:36] <tatertots> especially if multiple/ALL VM/instances produce this behavior or symptom
[17:37] <tatertots> you won't know until you test a different VM/instance using a different *nix to rule things down/out
[17:41] <Wayward_Vagabond> I have some broken packages, and no idea how to go about resolving them- libarpack2 libhdf5-100 liblapack3
[17:41] <Wayward_Vagabond> I can't seem to remove them as some currently working packages depend on those 3
[17:44] <pavlos> Wayward_Vagabond: can you use Synaptic and fix broken packages? (under the edit menu)
[17:45] <Wayward_Vagabond> that seems to generate a slew of errors 'resolve generated breaks'
[17:45] <Wayward_Vagabond> trying to read through what all 3 of them need
[17:46] <ice999> pavlos, tatertots  when i restart networking i get "stop: Job failed while stopping", how do i fix that?
[17:47] <Wayward_Vagabond> looks like they need (libblas3 | libblas.so.3) libc6 libgfortran4 (liblapack3 | liblapack.so.3) libsz2 zlib1g libgcc1
[17:48] <tatertots> it's a hosted VM/instance, i'd imagine it needs to maintain some level of tcp/ip networking, else if it couldn't come back up or start you'd lose access to it completely
[17:49] <tatertots> if you won't deploy a different image to further trouble shoot and or rule things out/down...your best move is probably to go ahead and open that trouble ticket with VPS provider support
[17:50] <Wayward_Vagabond> installed: libblas3 libc6 liblapack3[broken] libsz2 zlib1g libgcc1
[17:51] <tatertots> if the image provided was flawed or bugged in any way, not testing a different image or *nix version is what they call "the dog chasing it's own tail"
[17:52] <Wayward_Vagabond> libgfortran4 is missing- it needs libquadmath0
[17:52] <Wayward_Vagabond> Oi, I found what broke it
[17:52] <pavlos> Wayward_Vagabond: are you trying to install the R package?
[17:52] <ice999> tatertots, i already called the their support but they said there is no problem with networking from their end
[17:52] <Wayward_Vagabond> Those two packages aren't downloading- it gives 404 errors when trying to fetch them
[17:52] <tatertots> if the image provided was flawed or bugged in any way, not testing a different image or *nix version is what they call "the dog chasing it's own tail"
[17:54] <Wayward_Vagabond> W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-8/libquadmath0_8.3.0-6ubuntu1~18.04.1_amd64.deb
[17:54] <Wayward_Vagabond> W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-7/libgfortran4_7.4.0-1ubuntu1~18.04.1_amd64.deb
[17:54] <tatertots> some dogs are content doing that for long periods of time
[17:54] <tatertots> i'm always surprised they don't get dizzy
[18:01] <Wayward_Vagabond> I /do/ have libquadmath0-amd64-cross
[18:05] <RonaldsMazitis> I am here to say that without hardware acceleration Ubuntu lacks proper FHD 60FPS support in browser for those that have processors below i5-2410M
[18:06] <RonaldsMazitis> I have beta chromium with VAAPI drivers installed and videos have bugs
[18:06] <RonaldsMazitis> like black bar below the video
[18:07] <RonaldsMazitis> linux must think everyone got CPU that can handle up to 4k 60FPS
[18:08] <oerheks> RonaldsMazitis, often it is a cheap cabe, not letting 60 fps pass through
[18:11] <Wayward_Vagabond> Is there a way to make synaptic or apt-get install something to fix an unrelated problem while I try to figure this out?
[18:11] <Wayward_Vagabond> It just throws the broken packages error and won't do anything else
[18:13] <oerheks> oh, you need new lists; sudo apt update
[18:13] <oerheks> !info libgfortran4
[18:13] <oerheks> yours is stuck on 7.4.0.something
[18:13] <oerheks> !info libgfortran4 bionic
[18:13] <oerheks> always start up2date before messing around
[18:15] <monojamoon|> the default terminal for Ubuntu is gnome-terminal, right?
[18:16] <oerheks> monojamoon|, yes
[18:16] <monojamoon|> Is there a way to import the same color scheme into konsole or the vanilla gnome-terminal?
[18:17] <Wayward_Vagabond> oerheks: Aha, thank you
[18:17] <Wayward_Vagabond> after that, apt-get was able to fix it's own problems :)
[18:17] <oerheks> :-)
[18:17] <oerheks> have fun Wayward_Vagabond
[18:18] <Wayward_Vagabond> Now, to go back to figuring out the directx problem in wine... x.x
[18:52] <jatt> is there a channel to ask focal fossa questions?
[18:54] <kostkon> !ubuntu+1 | jatt
[18:55] <jatt> thanks
[19:15] <echoSMILE> Does anybody use an apple keyboard with ubuntu? How that keys combinations works? The usual ones of pcs or from apple?
[19:15] <echoSMILE> Really don't know because I never use one and I thinking to buy one,
[19:26] <nb-ben> hi, I'm trying to install libglib2.0-dev:arm64 on an amd64 host, is there anything that I need to do beyond `dpkg --add-architecture arm64` and `apt update && apt install ...`? apt is unable to locate the package after I've done these
[19:30] <nb-ben> looks like adding sources with [arch=arm64] works. Feels kinda hacky though.
[19:31] <Fjorgynn> don't forget
[19:43] <salapin> a question guys to see if you can throw me a cable:
[19:43] <salapin> I currently have ubuntu installed on my PC as the main distro. the truth is that ubuntu is more minimalist in certain things than mint, which I comment but that for me in many cases, causes me a little bad because it does not provide me with all the information I would like.
[19:43] <salapin> They are bits that I am going to comment below and that I would like to implement them in my team and that is why I am writing this message to see if you can help me at least how to find such information.
[19:43] <salapin> Ubuntu does not show you the brightness level of the screen as a percentage, it only shows you a bar and more or less an eye because you say the amount of brightness you want, but I would like to know the exact percentage, to know so that level I have it exactly.
[19:43] <salapin> The same happens with the wifi signals, the sample of an icon and those that arrive with more signal at the top, but not the dice with the amount that are available, which linuxmint if the dice, then you could how can I get this what commented on ubuntu? It would be a base of some script or from the terminal, please excuse so much text, but it is that I do not know how to define myself, so that you can enter me.
[19:53] <akem> E: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libx/libxml2/libxml2-dev_2.9.4+dfsg1-6.1ubuntu1.2_amd64.deb  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80] ? :X
[19:54] <grawity> been a while since you last updated the system?
[19:56] <akem> grawity, Yeah, i'm on 18.04.
[19:56] <akem> I'm trying apt-get update then.
[19:56] <ktosiek> akem: sudo apt update
[19:56] <ktosiek> Yup
[20:25] <grgnday> Hello everyone, I wanted to report a problem real fast. All mirrors for Turkey seem to be down. When the server is changed updates and such start working again but the problem is I bought a new laptop and trying to set up Ubuntu there. It automatically tries to pull 3d party drivers from Turkey mirrors and fails while installing.
[20:37] <bdju> If I install a daily build of 20.04 will it be able to just update to newer dailies and/or the final 20.04 release with simple apt commands?
[20:37] <bdju> (I am used to rolling release)
[20:38] <Bashing-om> bdju: So long as you "update" you will arrive at the final :)
[20:45] <bdju> Bashing-om: Great! Thank you.
[20:46] <Bashing-om> bdju: :D Happy 'buntu'n.
[20:53] <akem> Yeah that fixed it, thanks grawity, ktosiek. :)
[20:56] <monojamoon|> Vanilla gnome looks a lot different than the one I came across on Ubuntu!
[21:03] <monojamoon|> What's the base tool for backup and restore in ubuntu? I want to install it in Arch.
[21:03] <monojamoon|> Unfortunately, I don't remember the name.
[21:06] <Bashing-om> monojamoon|: Many have differing requirements. See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem for a few options.
[21:06] <sgt_chuckles> monojamoon|: Timeshift?
[21:06] <monojamoon|> Think its deja dup
[21:07] <sgt_chuckles> I don't find myself really using GNOME  workspaces that much. Anyone who does, why?
[21:09] <Bashing-om> sgt_chuckles: Polling goes in #ubuntu-discuss :D
[21:28] <jho112> heyho anyone tried 20.04 with zfs?
[21:28] <jho112> (beta)
[21:45] <Fevix> Trying to add a printer. It installs drivers, but the printer doesn't show up on the list
[22:08] <pixan> does anyone knows a forensic data recovery called scalpel? share usage tips?
[22:09] <pragmaticenigma> pixan: This channel is focused on providing support for Ubuntu and helping troubleshoot when applications aren't working. For help with your specific inquiry, please ask in the #ubuntu-offtopic channel
[22:10] <pixan> deepest apologies
[22:32] <Fevix> Trying to add a printer. It installs drivers, but the printer doesn't show up on the list
[22:36] <pragmaticenigma> !details | Fevix
[22:36] <Fevix> Steps: Settings > Devices > Printers > Add Printer > Select my printer > Add
[22:37] <Fevix> It pops up a window looking for driver, offers a driver for download (gutenprint), I click Apply, another window flashes up for an instant, then it all goes away
[22:37] <Fevix> Going back to Printers, still says no printers
[22:40] <iKarus987> hi when i have these type of messages in my terminal
[22:40] <iKarus987> Successfully installed distro-1.5.0 gns3-gui-2.2.5 jsonschema-2.6.0 psutil-5.6.3 raven-6.10.0
[22:41] <iKarus987> how would i go about installing "gns3-gui-2.2.5"
[22:41] <iKarus987> i am trying to install that,
[22:41] <pragmaticenigma> iKarus987: based on that message... it's been installed successfully
[22:42] <iKarus987> huh when i go ahead and check the bin directory
[22:42] <iKarus987> i see nowhere about gns3
[22:42] <iKarus987> and using the command "gns3" does not work to run that program
[22:42] <iKarus987> bash: /usr/bin/gns3: No such file or directory
[22:43] <pragmaticenigma> how did you install it iKarus987
[22:43] <iKarus987> pip3
[22:43] <iKarus987> i used pip3
[22:43] <pragmaticenigma> Fevix: You've left out two really important details... What version of Ubuntu and what printer are you using? Those are rather important details, don't you think?
[22:44] <iKarus987> pip3 install gns3-gui==2.2.5   this is the command i used pragmaticenigma
[22:44] <pragmaticenigma> iKarus987: Please do not use pip or pip3 to install modules. They will break your Ubuntu system. Always use virtualenv to work with pip
[22:44] <Fevix> Uh.... I don't know ubuntu version off the top of my head
[22:44] <iKarus987> ahh ok
[22:44] <iKarus987> should i uninstall it ?
[22:44] <pragmaticenigma> iKarus987: Second, pip doesn't install Ubuntu packages, it install Python packages for use directly in a python environment
[22:45] <skrzyp> Good evening. Let's assume there's some companny called X and they release some product consisting of their custom hardware, custom software and the operating system running it. For a long time it was Windows (9x, XPe, 7e) but for some reasons they want to switch to Linux. The product is in "embedded" class but not really, there are some interactive surfaces for end-users with 3D graphics and other
[22:45] <skrzyp> stuff. Currently it's at development / prototyping stage, so they've chosen Ubuntu as a base. That Ubuntu is installed using debootstrap in chroot so mostly contains a kernel and basic system libs only. The question is - can they legally use such Ubuntu in production environment? It doesn't show any Ubuntu logo or trademark during the operation (custom splash and quite instant loading time) and
[22:45] <skrzyp> there's no way to determine that from user's side, yet they still don't modify the original packages.
[22:45] <iKarus987> pragmaticenigma the  thing is gns3 is running over python
[22:45] <iKarus987> its a python program
[22:45] <iKarus987> my issue is, ubuntu recently upgraded my gns3 to 2.2.6 :<
[22:45] <iKarus987> and 2.2.6 is not working well for me
[22:46] <skrzyp> I have quite mixed outputs from current research on that and there's no a clear information whether they can use such a base system legally or not.
[22:46] <iKarus987> that's why i wanna go back to 2.2.5
[22:46] <pragmaticenigma> iKarus987: correct, but with pip, you installed it as a library... there won't be anyways to access directly with the method you chose to install
[22:46] <Fevix> pragmaticenigma, ubuntu 18.04.4, printer is Brother HL-L5200DW
[22:46] <iKarus987> ah i see pragmaticentigma please read what i wrote
[22:46] <iKarus987> i am struggling to get back to 2.2.5 version ><
[22:46] <pragmaticenigma> iKarus987: the version changing is also why I suggest that you learn how to work with virtualenv... that way you can use the specific version that you need
[22:47] <iKarus987> ah i see
[22:47] <iKarus987> in the future though
[22:47] <iKarus987> how i stop specific programs from auto updating
[22:47] <iKarus987> gns3 is among them that i never wanna touch, if it works why fix it
[22:47] <iKarus987> xD
[22:48] <pragmaticenigma> iKarus987: this isn't the channel, but suffice it to say, Canonical and Ubuntu devs do not upgrade packages without good reason. It is likely that the older version had a vulnerability in it that needed to be patched
[22:49] <iKarus987> so the easier option is to try upgrade that program
[22:49] <iKarus987> on the server side
[22:49] <iKarus987> i have a client version then i have server version, they both must have same version in order for them to work
[22:49] <pragmaticenigma> Fevix: Unfortuantly I do not have experience with installing Brother devices. Some of their devices require a different approch to getting them installed. Find the exact model number of the device and then search the web to see if someone else has found a way to get it installed
[22:50] <pragmaticenigma> iKarus987: Again, this isn't the forum for that discussion
[22:52] <iKarus987> i see pragmaticenigma what is the command for, to see what version a package has?
[22:58] <theborger> what is the command to list network cards?
[22:59] <theborger> net -l?
[23:06] <pragmaticenigma> theborger: Are you looking for the actual cards? or the interfaces?
[23:06] <theborger> pragmaticenigma: both
[23:07] <theborger> i found the cards in dmesg
[23:07] <theborger> i need to know where they are now so i can load them
[23:08] <theborger> pragmaticenigma: i put new network card in. need to set them up
[23:09] <pragmaticenigma> theborger: lspci will list the physical cards (as well as all other hardware attached to your system) ... "ip link show" will tell you what interfaces are available
[23:10] <theborger> pragmaticenigma: right i see the cards
[23:10] <theborger> 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82571EB/82571GB Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper) (rev 06)
[23:10] <theborger> 06:00.1 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82571EB/82571GB Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper) (rev 06)
[23:11] <theborger> they have multiple connectors
[23:11] <theborger> i need to know what each one is showing as
[23:15] <grawity> theborger: `ip link` is a good start, but if you want something to easily associate an interface name with a PCI dev, then `ls -l /sys/class/net`
[23:16] <mattfly> ubuntu 18.04 lts total freeze after hibernation using nvidia proprietary drivers
[23:16] <mattfly> killall Xorg doesnt work
[23:17] <mattfly> -9 or -15
[23:17] <mattfly> dmesg: https://pastebin.com/PJvTUVmv
[23:21] <theborger> thanks guys pragmaticenigma grawity
[23:22] <exit70> is it a good idea to test 20.04 beta using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebootstrapChroot ?
[23:23] <pragmaticenigma> !focal | exit70
[23:24] <exit70> pragmaticenigma, thanks
[23:31] <Kremator> hello folks, i ahve xubuntu 18.04, i like using APT for package management, how can i remove the "software store" that comes with ubuntu
[23:51] <pragmaticenigma> Kremator: I'm not sure you can remove the software center anymore without breaking other components
[23:52] <Kremator> oh... thats what i was affraid of..
[23:54] <mattfly> could someone move this to nivdia-440 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-340/+bug/1870854
[23:55] <mattfly> oh nevermind
[23:55] <mattfly> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-440/+bug/1870854


[02:56] <ChinnoDog> I think MutantTurkey thinks I am mocking him when I "gobble gobble"
[02:56] <TheEvilPhoenix> lol
[03:19] <MutantTurkey> look man you are barking up the wrong tree.
[03:19] <MutantTurkey> you've messed with the wrong turkey.
[03:20] <MutantTurkey> better watch out, you never know what I might slip in your stuffing...
[03:20]  * TheEvilPhoenix throws MutantTurkey a turkeygun
[03:20] <MutantTurkey> pew pew pew
[03:20] <MutantTurkey> shoots feathers out of it.
[03:20] <MutantTurkey> HIGH SPEED FEATHERS OF DEATH.
[03:20]  * TheEvilPhoenix picks up a plasma beam emitter rifle
[03:21]  * TheEvilPhoenix incinerates the high speed feathers of death
[03:21] <TheEvilPhoenix> ;)
[03:23] <MutantTurkey> oh mean...
[03:23] <MutantTurkey> man'
[03:23] <MutantTurkey> turkey scrambles for cover
[03:24]  * TheEvilPhoenix powers down the plasma beam emitter rifle
[03:24] <TheEvilPhoenix> the thing's efficiency is off by 15%...
[09:18] <JonathanD> morning.
[09:24] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[09:24] <JonathanD> howdy
[09:24] <rmg51> o/
[09:25] <JonathanD> I remembered to bring my sneakers home.
[09:25] <rmg51> I remembered to bring myself home ;-)
[09:26] <JonathanD> this is good
[09:26] <JonathanD> having sneakers means I can go run
[09:28] <rmg51> tis is good
[09:29] <rmg51> being home means I can talk to you first thing in the morning :-D
[09:30] <JonathanD> tis is good, also
[09:30] <JonathanD> ya know
[09:30] <JonathanD> I still don't have any coffee
[09:30] <JonathanD> I should locate the fosscon coffee
[09:31] <JonathanD> except those are giant bags I think and I don't want to waste.
[09:31] <rmg51> used the stuff jedijf gave you?
[09:31] <JonathanD> I have not.
[09:31] <JonathanD> I left some at basekamp but the rest is here somewhere.
[09:33] <JonathanD> I think I'll make coffee in the two giant pots
[09:33] <rmg51> which just means you have coffee for at least the next year
[09:33] <JonathanD> and give it away, out front, with ubuntu CDs
[09:34] <rmg51> or leave it on jedijf doorstep ;-)
[09:34] <JonathanD> haha
[09:38] <jedijf> coffee always accepted
[11:08] <JonathanD> jedijf: lets give away free coffee.
[11:14] <jedijf> not now, too expensive
[11:20] <waltman> mmm, coffee
[12:09] <teddy-dbear> morning
[13:46] <InHisName> mid morning
[20:35] <MutantTurkey> now all the school work hits...
[20:35] <MutantTurkey>  :|
[22:13] <MutantTurkey> seriously... targeted advertizing is a PITA
[22:14] <MutantTurkey> i have been looking at lenovos for a month or so, now half of the ads I get are lenovo, but I already bought one!
[22:14] <MutantTurkey> :|