[14:37] <inexact> I attempted installing xubuntu-20.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso on a Lenovo ideapad 1, installation succeeds, but I can't boot the installed system
[14:37] <inexact> it goes into a boot loop, shows a black screen, apparently prints "Reset System" and then reboots
[14:38] <inexact> the live system (booted from USB stick) works
[14:39] <inexact> what are my options?
[14:40] <inexact> I've found similar problems online but none with solution
[14:57] <KBar> inexact: was it an "erase and install" or "install alongside Windows"?
[14:59] <inexact> KBar, erase and install
[15:00] <inexact> from the live boot I can see that the installed filesystem exists on the SSD
[15:01] <inexact> I think it's a grub problem since grub never shows up when booting from SSD
[15:01] <inexact> (that is, when trying to boot from SSD)
[15:01] <Maik> grub doesn't show by default
[15:01] <KBar> inexact: try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[15:01] <KBar> install it from within Live session and let it run/repair GRUB
[15:02] <KBar> and see what happens
[15:02] <inexact> I don't generally have network access from the live boot
[15:02] <inexact> let's see
[15:03] <KBar> inexact: you can also try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Info
[15:03] <KBar> first before proceeding
[15:03] <KBar> it will generate text files either locally or online
[15:09] <KBar> inexact: is the SSD in good conditions? Can you see and select it from BIOS/UEFI? Try running SMART tests on it from within the Live session.
[15:09] <inexact> found a nice way to get network access and installed bootinfoscript, this is RESULTS.txt: https://0x0.st/oHa9.txt
[15:09] <inexact> KBar, the laptop is new
[15:09] <KBar> KBar: that doesn't say much. The SSD could still be faulty.
[15:10] <Maik> secureboot disabled inexact?
[15:10] <inexact> Maik, yes
[15:11] <inexact> wait a moment
[15:11] <inexact> this is a report about the live system...
[15:11] <inexact> the SSD is a nvme, and /dev/sda is then USB stick
[15:12] <inexact> so the grub info in there is about the USB stick
[15:13] <inexact> ok that was confusing, it's a different bootinfo package...
[15:16] <inexact> KBar, https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/sKCPkXcPMs/
[15:17] <inexact> I can't see this report (asks for login), but I think the status messages in the GUI said at some point that secureboot was enabled
[15:22] <KBar> inexact: disable it and let boot-repair reinstall grub-efi
[15:23] <inexact> is it actually enabled according to the report?
[15:23] <KBar> inexact: yes.
[15:24] <inexact> rebooted and got into the bios, it was enabled
[15:25] <inexact> that's really annoying because I remember disabling it...
[15:26] <inexact> KBar, nothing changed, it still gets into a reboot loop
[15:26] <inexact> entering BIOS again shows secure boot is disabled
[15:27] <KBar> inexact: did you run boot-repair?
[15:27] <inexact> yes
[15:29] <inexact> I can run it again and make it upload a new report
[15:32] <KBar> inexact: click on Recommended repair
[15:33] <inexact> it sure is spending a lot of time in the create summary step
[15:37] <inexact> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/kmrrdkJNKD/
[15:37] <inexact> and it works
[15:37] <inexact> so secure boot was the entire problem??
[15:38] <inexact> this really pisses me off because it was the first thing I thought about and disabled
[15:38] <inexact> oh well at least it's working now
[15:38] <inexact> thanks for the help
[15:39] <KBar> inexact: yeah, it has a tendency to reenable itself, especially on lenovo devices
[18:57] <centHOGG> Hiya. Has anyone else had any difficulties with that latest nvidia driver update and xfwm4? I've started having some slowdowns & freezups come about as of late. Jez curious, tia.
[23:47] <cloudcell> hello, I have 4 monitors and I keep losing settings after each restart. How can I fix this?
[23:53] <doc> cloudcell: how are you setting your settings?
[23:54] <cloudcell> i set my settings using nvidia control panel
[23:55] <doc> did you write them out to an xorg config? I had that at one stage, it wouldn't remember them until I did. After that it picked them up on reboots.
[23:55] <cloudcell> I actually did write them, but that did not help
[23:56] <doc> that's me out of ideas
[23:56] <cloudcell> no worries
[23:56] <doc> maybe double check that they're getting picked up, the path is right, etc?
[23:57] <cloudcell> yeah, maybe they are being written to a wrong path.... let me check... i will also need to restart


[00:17] <VK7HSE> ivoks: No as it wouldn't find the raid serveraid card!
[00:38]  * twb is extremely Not A Fan of hardware raid.
[00:39] <twb> It's like an RDBMS: sometimes you gotta use it, but no matter what it's gonna hurt.
[01:40] <steeljim> can someone help assist in setting up a windows share drive
[01:41] <steeljim> just installed 8.10 and samba
[01:41] <steeljim> did fdisk -l command and the drive is /dev/sda5
[01:41] <twb> Try #samba?
[01:41] <twb> That is, if nobody responds here.
[01:41] <twb> (I don't know about Samba.)
[01:42] <steeljim> however it looks as if drives are duplicated
[01:42] <steeljim> I have sda1 ,2,5,6,7,8
[01:44] <steeljim> anyone?
[01:48] <steeljim> what are your first steps in sharing a drive?
[01:49] <ScottK> This channel is typically very quiet outside of the US/European business day.
[01:53] <steeljim> scott you any good with 8.10 setups?
[01:58] <ScottK> Not with Samba and Windows shares, no.
[02:19] <twb> If it's anything like NFS, you'll need to add an export stanza [foo] to /etc/samba/smb.conf and mention at least the path being exported, and the hosts to which it is exported.
[02:19] <twb> Samba is made excitingly annoying by needing a login account on the server for every machine that wants to mount the share, IIRC.
[02:19] <twb> I don't know if that's handled automagically; I imagine it is *if* you're using the default files/compat auth method (as opposed to, say, LDAP).
[02:42] <cameronh> i've been doing some testing of various apps.. is there any way to clean up /etc of config files for things which are no longer installed?
[02:46] <ScottK> cameronh: Purge them when you remove them and don't just remove them is the way.
[02:47] <cameronh> ScottK: noted :) given that i've already made the mistake, do i have to reinstall the apps i didn't want to purge them?
[02:47] <ScottK> Yes.
[02:47] <hads> You can aptitude purge them
[02:47] <hads> Without reinstall
[02:47] <ScottK> OK.  I don't generally use aptitude.
[02:48] <hads> Something along the lines of aptitude purge `dpkg -l | egrep -v "^ii" | cut -f 3 -d ' '`
[02:48] <hads> But don't just run that without checking :)
[02:48] <ScottK> cameronh: Whatever you do, don't manually delete them.  That's telling dpkg you don't want those files even if the package is installed again later.
[02:49] <cameronh> hmm okay
[02:51] <cameronh> luckily it's just a test vm anyway, so i'll probably re-create it before finalising it (replacing my home network's server with ubuntu-server)
[02:51] <cameronh> is etckeeper worth using? Looks like it tracks /etc changes with git
[02:55] <ScottK> I haven't used it.  Some people really like it.
[02:56] <ScottK> It does have options for using different VCS.
[03:25] <uzair> hi all. anyone successfully seup open vpn before?
[03:25] <uzair> *setup
[03:39] <twb> 13:49 <cameronh> ScottK: noted :) given that i've already made the mistake, do i have to reinstall the apps i didn't want to purge them?
[03:39] <twb> No: sudo aptitude purge ~c
[03:39] <twb> ~c matches packages that are configured, but not installed (i.e. only their config files remain, i.e. they were removed, but not purged).
[03:40] <twb> (Patterns are one thing that makes aptitude a useful addition to apt-get.)
[03:48]  * ScottK has had aptitude decide removing half his system was the 'best' answer one to many times.
[03:53] <hads> twb: Nice, that's useful to know :)
[03:53] <twb> ScottK: that is why you don't use -y without caution :-)
[03:53] <twb> ScottK: cf. "aptitude why"
[03:54] <twb> A pattern I often use is ~i!~M, which matches packages that were explicitly installed.
[03:54] <twb> i.e. it hides packages that are needed for something else.
[03:54] <ScottK> I do use aptitude why and sometimes try it to see what it suggests, but don't generally let it actually touch the state of my system.
[04:32] <agampher> hey guys, quick question, if i wanted to burn a cd over ssh, whats the best way to go about it?
[04:32] <agampher> like, throw all the stuff in a folder, create an iso then burn it
[04:57] <sloopy> how do i install the madwifi drivers in 8.10? same way as 8.04?
[05:03] <sloopy> hmmm slow night
[05:19] <VK7HSE> steeljim: still here ???
[05:33] <roy_hobbs> Hey I just install 8.04.2 and selected LAMP during the install.  I have a blank /etc/apache2/httpd.conf file
[05:35] <hads> Normal
[05:35] <hads> ls -l /etc/apache2/
[05:36] <roy_hobbs> without the l: apache2.conf  conf.d  envvars  httpd.conf  mods-available  mods-enabled  ports.conf  sites-available  sites-enabled
[05:36] <hads> Yeah I know what's in there.
[05:36] <hads> I meant for you :)
[05:38] <roy_hobbs> Well, another problem.  Shouldn't I be able to use https by default as well?
[05:42] <hads> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/httpd.html
[05:46] <twb> hads: is that available as an A4 PDF?
[05:46] <twb> I assume it's a debiandoc or docbook source somewhere, but I'm too lazy to build it myself :-)
[06:32] <pschulz01> Greetings.. Anyone here know how kernel headers are configured?
[06:33] <pschulz01> I was able to compile an application on my laptop whoch found headers in /lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/build (just a bunch of links)
[06:33] <pschulz01> The other server that I'm trying to install the app. on doesn't have these links.
[06:34] <pschulz01> I must have done something to set this up (in the past) but I don;t know what that was.
[06:37] <genii> pschulz01: linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[06:39] <hads> linux-headers-generic should pull it in too
[06:42] <pschulz01> genii: Did that..
[06:42] <pschulz01> genii: no dice.
[06:43] <pschulz01> So.. I have two systems.. one which have links in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build and the other doesn't.
[06:44] <pschulz01> both systems have the kernel-headers- package installed.
[06:44] <ScottK> You may want linux-source
[06:44] <pschulz01> the first is '-generic' the second is '-server'
[06:45] <sloopy> heh  i just switched to this channel, i wa just installing the kernel headers too... have to compile madwifi :'(
[06:47] <pschulz01> sloopy: Quick question then.. do you have links in your /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build directory?
[06:47] <sloopy> i will look when subversion is done installing
[06:49] <sloopy> that is a link to the /usr/src/linux-headers-{installed kernel ver}
[06:49] <sloopy> and yes in that dirs are alot of links and dirs
[06:49] <pschulz01> Ok.. ta
[06:50] <sloopy> np
[06:53] <sloopy> argh
[06:53] <sloopy> whats the package name that installs all the tools to be able to build a kernel?
[06:54] <pschulz01> build-essential
[06:54] <pschulz01> and apt-get build-dep
[06:54] <pschulz01> ?
[06:55] <pschulz01> For some reason I have to reinstall the header package and not the links are there.
[06:55] <pschulz01> Shhhesh.
[06:56] <sloopy> kernel-package
[06:58] <sloopy> heh compiling madwifi on a 800Mhz machine will probly take a bit of time...
[06:59] <pschulz01> genii: sloopy: thanks
[07:00] <sloopy> hmm how do you become a ubuntu member? its good to be part of a family ;')
[07:01] <Mal3ko> what's the quickest and efficient way to reinstall server os through remote ssh?
[07:02] <hads> You don't
[07:03] <sloopy> now to see if the madwifi drivers i just compiled work on my router...
[07:07] <sloopy> cool its working as a client, now need to config as ap
[07:07] <ScottK> Mal3ko: You also probably don't have to.
[07:08] <Mal3ko> ScottK: do you have any idea what your talking about?
[07:08] <ScottK> Mal3ko: I don't know why you think you need to reinstall.  You may actually have to, but a lot of times people reinstall for reasons that don't actually need it.
[07:08] <ScottK> Mal3ko: Why do you think you need to reinstall?
[07:10] <ScottK> Actually, I need to be up in three hours, so I think I'm off to bed.
[10:40] <dayo2> can you help me with this?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/117206/
[10:43] <mok0> I just had to clean up a major mess caused by schroot's use of logical lvm volumes
[10:43] <mok0> Anyone else has experiences with that?
[11:32] <dayo2> I'm trying to keep users from accessing home dirs outside their group, but i still need them to be able to access everyone's public_html/  how do i do that?
[12:13] <tjaalton> soren: hey, you've merged multipath-tools in the past. Why did you drop dmsetup_env from it? Looks like it caused bug 320156
[12:25] <soren> tjaalton: Let me see...
[12:26] <tjaalton> soren: it's a mess
[12:26] <tjaalton> apparently our devmapper used to have a patch which was the same as others had, but now it's synced with debian
[12:27] <Rafael> hi, i would like to use command line from my windows computer to my ubuntu server, i was recomended to use "Putty"do i have to install it on ubuntu also and how do i do this?
[12:27] <tjaalton> so DM_TABLE_STATE is exported as '1' if online, not 'LIVE' as it should be
[12:27] <tjaalton> but that's not enough to make it work
[12:27] <dnperfors> Rafael: no, you don't have to install putty on ubuntu
[12:28] <dnperfors> Rafael: but you need to have OpenSSH installed
[12:28] <dnperfors> (sudo aptitude install openssh-server)
[12:28] <Rafael> how do i know if openssh is installed?
[12:29] <tjaalton> soren: I'd say we follow debian on this, and include the "temporary hacks" to multipath-tools until dmsetup is fixed
[12:29] <tjaalton> soren: I've got a blade that fails to boot because of this, so I can merge m-t...-14
[12:31] <soren> tjaalton: It's been too long since I looked at this... Our dmsetup used to do this just fine.
[12:31] <tjaalton> soren: ok, so I'll make m-t work with the current dmsetup, thanks :)
[12:32] <soren> I really hate that I don't have any hardware to test this on. I'm working in the dark here.
[12:34] <dnperfors> Rafael: not sure wheter this will work, but you can try: dpkg --get-selections | grep openssh
[12:36] <soren> tjaalton: What makes you say our devmapper is synced with debian?
[12:36] <Rafael> dnperfors: do i have to do any configuration or just install it, then use putty?
[12:37] <soren> tjaalton: I mean... any more than it used to be?
[12:37] <tjaalton> soren: because the merge entry doesn't say about any changes to the export patch
[12:37] <tjaalton> and the debian bugreports suggest that it was more like what suse has
[12:38] <tjaalton> but I'll try it out and see if it manages to boot this time
[12:44] <Rafael> ok i was abler to connect with Putty, question, when you open Putty are you suppose each time to use it are your suppor to "Run" it as if is a new install program?
[12:45] <nijaba> kirkland: I did take a look at the resize issue: I can't find a way to fix this
[12:46] <kirkland> nijaba: okay, i'm not that worried about it
[12:46] <nijaba> kirkland: do you know a snack expert?
[12:46] <nijaba> kirkland: cjwatson maybe?
[12:47] <kirkland> nijaba: i don't even know what snack is :-)
[12:47] <nijaba> kirkland: snack is what you use in python as a newt interface
[12:50] <kirkland> nijaba: cool.  but still, no.
[12:56] <dnperfors> Rafael: you don't need to configure anything, it will just work..
[12:57] <dnperfors> you can use that checkbox to disable that dialog
[12:57] <Rafael> every time i open it i have to run like installing it fresh on my window box
[12:58] <cjwatson> snack? not me
[12:58] <cjwatson> I know what it is but that's all
[12:59] <cjwatson> Rafael: that has nothing to do with how your Ubuntu box is set up; you can download PuTTY to your Windows desktop and run it from there rather than having to run it from the web page or whatever, if that's what you're asking
[13:01] <cjwatson> Rafael: if you can connect, then things are set up fine from the Ubuntu side
[13:01] <Rafael> every  time i clkick on icon on desktop of windows it open : if i want to run as if was new software installed
[13:03] <dnperfors> there should be a checkbox in that window, which you can use to disable that question
[13:10] <Mal3ko> can you suggest me some ways to reinstall ubuntu on ded server through remote ssh?
[13:12] <ScottK> Can you connect to it via ssh?
[13:12] <soren> Mal3ko: Why do you want to reinstall it?
[13:12] <Mal3ko> trying different distros..but my main os ubuntu
[13:13] <Mal3ko> and my server provider staffs is too slow..
[13:14] <soren> What's it running now?
[13:14] <Mal3ko> ubuntu server. its on the main partition
[13:14] <soren> Then why do you want to reinstall?
[13:14] <soren> You want to install Ubuntu, but you're already running it?
[13:16] <soren> People from "other" backgrounds tend to resort to reinstalling as a means for fixing things that can be trivially fixed by other means, and I'm trying to save you the hassle of going through a pointless reinstall to achieve something that might just be a few simple commands away.
[13:16] <Mal3ko> the main os stays there..i wont touch that..
[13:16] <ScottK> soren: You'll find the beginnings of a very similar conversation about 6 hours ago.
[13:16] <Mal3ko> now i need to install the newest ubuntu svr on the second [artition
[13:16] <soren> ScottK: Same participants?
[13:17] <ScottK> Yep
[13:17] <soren> ScottK: Lovely.
[13:17] <soren> Mal3ko: For testing newer versions, might I recommend a virtual machine instead?
[13:17] <soren> It's much less delicate.
[13:19] <Mal3ko> i thought so too but i'd like to test the os under real environment
[13:20] <Mal3ko> so vm is not an option..
[13:21] <soren> What exactly are you trying to test?
[13:21] <soren> Or: Why isn't a vm an option?
[13:22] <Mal3ko> jaunty jackalope
[13:23] <Mal3ko> soren, the server only have 2gb ram..
[13:24] <soren> So?
[13:25] <soren> Just assign all (well, 1.9 perhaps) to the VM.
[13:26] <soren> You weren't going to be running both of them side by side anyway, so I'm presuming shutting down everything else on the machine is kosher.
[13:38] <tjaalton> soren: do you remember why the multipath/kpartx udev rules were moved to 95?
[13:38] <soren> tjaalton: Keybuk said that stuff that loaded modules belonged >90.
[13:39] <tjaalton> soren: ok.. I'll mention that in the changelog
[13:39] <tjaalton> although the modules are built-in now
[13:39] <tjaalton> and I'll test if commenting out the modprobe's makes it quicker.. it seems to halt for one minute per modprobe now :)
[13:39] <soren> Really?
[13:39] <tjaalton> yes
[13:39] <tjaalton> in jaunty
[13:40] <soren> The multipath modules are built in?
[13:40] <soren> That's crazy.
[13:40] <tjaalton> why?
[13:40] <soren> I'm just not a fan of building all this stuff into the kernel.
[13:41] <soren> I like the kernels small, and I like that I can patch small things in the kernel and try them out without having to rebuild *everything*.
[13:41] <soren> I can do that with modules, but not with built-in stuff.
[13:41] <tjaalton> you can discuss it with rtg :)
[13:41] <soren> ...and that makes me cry.
[13:41] <tjaalton> or on the kernel-list perhaps
[13:44] <tjaalton> btw, the local-top script already modprobes stuff
[13:45] <tjaalton> so AIUI it's unnecessary to modprobe in kpartx.udev?
[13:47] <soren> tjaalton: IIRC, we put it there to make sure it worked immediately.
[13:47] <soren> I.e. not just after a reboot.
[13:47] <tjaalton> but the preinst modprobes already?
[13:48] <soren> You're going to end up making me actually look at code, aren't you? :)
[13:48] <tjaalton> hehe, no
[13:48] <tjaalton> preinst does modprobe
[13:48] <soren> too late
[13:48] <tjaalton> but is it enough?
[13:48] <tjaalton> oops! :)
[13:50] <soren> a) The initramfs stuff only comes into play if you have multipath-tools-boot installed
[13:52] <soren> b) The purpose of the modprobe is documented just above it :) It's to get rid of the init script.
[13:52] <juliux> hi
[13:53] <soren> ...but we apparantly have the init script now. I wonder what purpose that serves.
[13:53] <soren> I'm guessing: none.
[13:54] <tjaalton> the -boot.init is removed from the package
[13:54] <soren> Ah, that makes sense.
[13:54] <tjaalton> anyway, I'll leave those as-is
[14:01] <juliux> i have some trouble with postfix+mysql+cyrus+sieve
[14:01] <juliux> if i enable vacation module in sieve there are no mails sent out
[14:01] <juliux> is there any tools that need to be installed extra?
[14:29] <tjaalton> soren: rock on, the merged version booted up fine :)
[14:40] <kirkland> nijaba: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+queue?start=0
[14:40] <kirkland> nijaba: phoronix on the end of the queue ;-)
[14:42] <soren> tjaalton: Fantastic.
[14:42] <soren> tjaalton: What did you change, exactly?
[14:44] <tjaalton> soren: I didn't remove the dmsetup_env stuff, it's needed for kpartx rules to work
[14:45] <tjaalton> with the current dmsetup
[14:59] <kinnaz> reconfigure ocfs2 with following command with their default values
[14:59] <kinnaz> sudo dpkg-reconfigure o2cb
[14:59] <kinnaz> sudo /etc/init.d/o2cb restart
[14:59] <kinnaz> sudo /etc/init.d/ocfs2 restart
[14:59] <kinnaz> but dpkg-reconfigure tells me that there is no package called like that
[15:00] <soren> tjaalton: Why?
[15:00] <kinnaz> aswell there isnt anything called o2cb in init.d ... using ubuntu 8.04
[15:00] <tjaalton> soren: because dmsetup doesn't export the needed variables
[15:01] <tjaalton> so part of the kpartx rules are skipped
[15:01] <soren> Which ones are they?
[15:01] <soren> Ah, the TABLE_STATE?
[15:02] <tjaalton> yep
[15:02] <kinnaz> anyone has expirience with ocfs2 on ubuntu ?
[15:04] <soren> kinnaz: Where did you read about those commands?
[15:05] <soren> There is not, and has never been, an o2cb package in Ubuntu.
[15:06] <soren> nor debian
[15:06] <kinnaz> some debian manual i think
[15:06] <kinnaz> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/578
[15:06] <kinnaz> soren, can you point me towards smt ubuntu related ?
[15:09] <kinnaz> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/heartbeat2-xen-cluster-with-drbd8-and-ocfs2.html#more-408
[15:10] <kinnaz> and again same commands
[15:12] <kinnaz> hough I did run to some problems while installing this system on hardy. For example with the dpkg-reconfigure o2cb I had to use ocfs2-tools instead
[15:12] <kinnaz> thats the answer :)
[15:53] <Mal3ko> anyone familiar with ufw here?
[15:53] <Mal3ko> how do i specify port range?
[15:53] <Mal3ko> without inclucing ip address
[16:19] <tonyyarusso> Mal3ko: I don't actually know, but see if port1-port2 or port1:port2 works.
[16:20] <methods> why does bzr install x11 ?
[16:28] <profanephobia> i need for my workstations (with no hdds) to boot from an image on the network, can someone point me towards a tutorial to get me started please?
[16:29] <methods> ltp
[16:30] <profanephobia> is that directed towards me?
[16:31] <genii> profanephobia: I think they meant LTSP (linus thin server project)
[16:31] <genii> *linux
[16:31] <profanephobia> genii, ok ill look it up thanks
[16:46] <LeoWei> i have this LAMP server, but how do i point my domain www.abc.com to mu lamp server?
[20:26] <r00tintheb0x> Hello all.
[20:26] <r00tintheb0x> Should I use an entry in /etc/inittab to make sure a process is running at all times or use cron and a script?
[20:28] <ScottK> r00tintheb0x: Which release are you using?
[20:29] <r00tintheb0x> Eh... well... its CentOS actually.
[20:29] <r00tintheb0x> But, I'm installing all new servers we put up w/Ubuntu.
[20:29] <r00tintheb0x> Its our CentOS 5.2 MX server.
[20:29] <ScottK> r00tintheb0x: Then Ubuntu advice would be totally wrong.
[20:29] <r00tintheb0x> amavisd keeps dying for some reason.
[20:30] <ScottK> Ubuntu has not had /etc/inittab since Dapper.
[20:30] <r00tintheb0x> ScottK would /etc/inittab not be the same for CentOS and Ubuntu?
[20:30] <r00tintheb0x> Oh okay.
[20:30] <r00tintheb0x> Sorry.
[20:30] <r00tintheb0x> Ah, I see that.
[20:30] <r00tintheb0x> My bacula server has no /etc/inittab
[20:31] <ScottK> In Ubuntu you'd use an upstart job I guess instead.
[20:31] <ScottK> Cron and a script works too.
[20:31] <r00tintheb0x> Right, yeah... i just read about upstart in the forum.
[20:31] <ScottK> Even better fix why amavisd is dieing.
[20:31] <r00tintheb0x> ScottK, you have any experience w/Ubuntu and Oracle ODBC?
[20:32] <ScottK> Nope.  Sorry
[20:35] <r00tintheb0x> Dang
[20:35] <r00tintheb0x> Anyone have any experience w/Oracle ODBC?
[20:51] <mustangg> hello the chan. I'm looking simply to confirm the reason(s) why the alt-iso installer seems to be aware of my machines previous hostname. It was suggested to me that if my box is on dhcp with an already reserved IP that perhaps the installer makes an assumption and populates based on that.   Anyone..?
[20:55] <maw_> have you tested that assumption?
[21:04] <UndertakerX2> ubuntu-server
[21:06] <UndertakerX2> how can i find a list of open ports on my server?
[21:08] <mustangg> pardon for re-asking but: Trying to confirm where the installer find hostname info during network setup of a fresh install. Someone suggested to me that if the machine is on dhcp with an already reserved IP that maybe the installer make some assumptions and populates the name. Anyone?
[21:09] <jpds> UndertakerX2: netstat -a
[21:11] <jpds> UndertakerX2: On second thought, that's not quite it... I usually nmap the host myself.
[21:15] <UndertakerX2> jd: thanks
[21:24] <mustangg> perhaps someone might know where I can found out that info? Short of reading source code that is.. heh ..
[21:39] <andol> kirkland: Satisfied with my new explanation to bug #296952, or do you want more details?
[21:44] <kirkland> andol: i'll check
[21:55] <kassem> Bonsoir.
[21:57] <o0o> can anyone tell me why IBM serveraid is not supported in ubuntu server?
[21:58] <o0o> but is in debian
[22:00] <roy_hobbs> I've got two network interfaces that are listed UNCLAIMED from lshw.  I'm not sure if these would be installed automatically with jockey if i had a gui.  Is there a way to figure this out?  Also, I'm not sure if the drivers are available online... but I do have a OS installation which might have them on there somewhere.  how might i find them?
[22:04] <roy_hobbs> The box is originally this IDS appliance from juniper.net.  I have a installation CD that's some distro of linux or another.  If I knew where to get the drivers off of it, I might be able to put them on my ubuntu-server which I managed to install onto the appliance
[22:31] <o0o> is there anyway to the get debian serveraid drivers to work with ubuntu?


[16:25] <studio-user379> Hi there, I'm trying to install Studio on an old notebook but I get a blank (black) screen with blinking cursor whenever I try to launch the "try before you install" or "install". Any idea how to fix this?
[16:26] <studio-user379> The hard drive is brand new as is the RAM (2Go)
[19:24] <sonno> hi everyone
[19:24] <sonno> i'm a totally noob :D i think i have a problem with ardour


[00:09] <zouz> yep
[00:41] <Legion-Lynx> Hey could I get some help, Im running Kubuntu 9.10 and I am having trouble with my sound. I can hear sound from music or video files and I hear system sounds yet when I try to play a video on the web I get nothing. I also do not hear sound in Ventrillo or Skype. I have trying playing the videos in Konqueor and in Firefox to no effect. Any suggestions?
[00:48] <starwind_> so it seems i'm having trouble updating kubuntu, any help?
[00:48] <starwind_> All I get is a popup saying "One of the selected packages failed to install correctly. More information is available in the detailed report"
[00:49] <starwind_> the details are "subprocess installed post-installtion script returned error exit status 1"
[00:51] <chandujs> hi
[00:52] <chandujs> hi
[00:52] <chandujs> hi alan___
[01:00] <weboh> I am having trouble getting access to root.
[01:01] <weboh> I am also having trouble getting anything other than gnome for a desktop
[01:01] <weboh> sound familar?
[01:06] <genii-around> weboh: (K)ubuntu does not use a root account by design.
[01:06] <weboh> interesting
[01:07] <weboh> perhaps, I should have used slackware.
[01:07] <genii-around> Perhaps :)
[01:07] <weboh> but slackware you have to compile everything. gag
[01:08] <genii-around> weboh: Root can be enabled, but it is discouraged since almost all scripts and commands etc make use of sudo. Also it is easy of course to make huge unrecoverable booboos
[01:09] <weboh> what for updates, check if (K)ubuntu supports has the package etc.
[01:10] <genii-around> weboh: in commandline usually: apt-cache search <name>
[01:10] <genii-around> weboh: sudo apt-get update     is to fetch latest package list
[01:14] <diego_> player media sugestion?
[01:16] <genii-around> kaffeine
[01:16] <genii-around> vlc is also good
[01:20] <diego_> i need something like itunes
[01:25] <genii-around> diego_: If just for music, amarok likely
[01:26] <diego_> oh ok thanks
[01:26] <diego_> another question how can i increase the icons in desktop?
[01:27] <genii-around> in system settings you can specify stuff like icon size, spacing,fonts, etc
[01:28] <genii-around> I think under Workspace Appearance
[01:32] <FloridaGuy> ... /home/mike/.kde//share/config/dolphinc ...not writable..
[01:33] <genii-around> FloridaGuy: sudo chown -r mike:mike ~/.kde
[01:34] <FloridaGuy> genii-around: chown: invalid option -- 'r'
[01:35] <genii-around> FloridaGuy: use -R  then
[01:36] <diego_> where is trash icon at?
[01:36] <FloridaGuy> genii-around: fixed....thank you.......what would have caused that....its a fresh install
[01:36] <genii-around> FloridaGuy: Also if you need to run dolphin with elevated priveleges, should use: kdesudo dolphin
[01:37] <genii-around> FloridaGuy: Usually by doing something like sudo <graphical-appname-here> instead of using kdesudo for kde or so on
[01:37] <FloridaGuy> genii-around: thats how i been doing it.....but just opening dolphin as normal user...was giving me that message
[01:38] <genii-around> FloridaGuy: If you use just sudo, it's not smart enough to know that the dolphinrc file should belong to "mike" or whoever
[01:40] <FloridaGuy> genii-around: but i wasent opening with as root....i was just opening as a normal user..and geting that message
[01:41] <nuk-ed> hi
[01:42] <genii-around> FloridaGuy: Well, whatever caused it, was a permissions issue :) You know now how you can recover from it
[01:43] <FloridaGuy> genii-around: now after doing ...  sudo chown -R mike:mike ~/.kde   ... systen settings wont open
[01:44] <genii-around> FloridaGuy: Likely some cached files belong to another user.  Would still suggest logout to kdm and back in, try again
[01:47] <FloridaGuy> genii-around: isent system settings...kde control center..kcc
[01:49]  * genii-around makes more coffee
[01:49] <FloridaGuy> genii-around: works now
[01:50] <genii-around> Yup
[02:25] <thrall_> perhaps someone could explain what's going on here: I look up the Handlers of my mouse in the output of /proc/bus/input/devices. I find event8. I try sudo xxd /dev/input/event8. It does nothing. I use the mouse to generate some input. still nothing. I was expecting to see some data. Have I misunderstood something?
[02:46] <diego_> How can i execute a script?
[02:47] <sagaci> diego_: make it exectable then ./script.sh
[02:48] <diego_> like this? ./script.sh in konsole?
[02:48] <genii-around> might wwant to use a shebang first line
[02:50] <genii-around> eg: #!/bin/sh                       or so
[02:54] <diego_> so if my script.sh file is in /home/diego/Documentos/
[02:54] <diego_> in konsole i need to write first "cd /home/diego/Documentos/"
[02:54] <diego_> then?
[02:56] <genii-around> diego_: then like ./script.sh
[02:56] <genii-around> Or just use entire path at start
[02:56] <diego_> nothin.. i put ./script.sh and nothin happened
[02:57] <genii-around> diego_: What was it supposed to do?
[02:58] <diego_> this is the script
[02:58] <diego_> echo "emerald --replace | compiz" > ~/.kde/Autostart/startcompiz.sh
[02:58] <diego_> chmod 777 ~/.kde/Autostart/startcompiz.sh
[02:58] <genii-around> !pastebin
[02:59] <diego_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/561720/
[03:02] <genii-around> diego_: If it just came back to the prompt, odds are it ran fine
[03:03] <diego_> i will see im going to restart my laptop
[03:08] <diego_> it works! thanks
[03:26] <diego_> genii-around: it didnt work :(
[03:27] <genii-around> diego_: I suspect it may have more to do with using emerald and compiz than a script failure. But since I don't use either can't be certain
[03:28] <diego_> :(
[03:38] <diego_> that sucks because everytime when i start kubuntu i need to put in konsole "emerald –replace | compiz"
[04:11] <DoYouKnow1> is there anything I can do to eliminate my connection getting bogged down and disconnecting in kubuntu 10.10?
[04:11] <DoYouKnow1> it's a broadcom 4328
[04:11] <DoYouKnow1> wlan
[04:12] <DoYouKnow1> it only happens when I'm at school, not at home... I can't figure out what it is
[04:14] <DoYouKnow1> for example, it's likely that if I don't get this fixed before I go to school, it would be impossible to stay connected long enough to do the research there
[04:15] <DoYouKnow1> or if I don't get some idea on how to approach the problem (right tools, etc)
[04:18] <diego_> how can i get compiz at Kubuntu start?
[04:28] <iulian_> diego_: you need enable integration
[04:28] <diego_> how can i do that?
[04:29] <iulian_> in ccsm search preferences need be there and enable it
[04:30] <diego_> it is enabled
[04:31] <diego_> then?
[04:35] <iulian_> ummm try this in console
[04:35] <iulian_> $ cat ~/.kde/Autostart/startcompiz.sh
[04:35] <iulian_> compiz --replace  &
[04:36] <iulian_> emerald --replace &
[04:37] <diego_> $: Command not found
[04:37] <diego_> wrong sorry
[04:37] <diego_> my mistake
[04:38] <diego_> i copypaste wrong
[04:38] <diego_> this is the result
[04:38] <FloodBotK2> diego_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:38] <diego_> emerald --replace | compiz of at ~/.kde/Autostart/startcompiz.sh
[04:40] <diego_> i will see
[04:40] <iulian_> $ this you already have it just interval
[04:41] <iulian_> dont type it twice
[04:47] <diego_> i know was my mistake
[04:47] <diego_> i restart my pc and nothin happened
[04:47] <diego_> i need to open the konsole and put compiz --replace :/
[04:52] <diego_> so? what's the solution?
[04:53] <iulian_> ok check this page something with your settings is wrong
[04:53] <iulian_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[04:54] <genii-around> diego_: I think your main prob is that there is a specific file format for stuff in Autostart and it's not a shell file
[04:56] <genii-around> diego_: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Compiz#Method_1_-_Autostart_Link gives a sample, you can use a different thing to execute than what they have however
[05:00] <diego_> i will see brb
[05:11] <genii-around> diego_: Getting anywhere?
[05:11] <diego_> worse
[05:11] <diego_> :(
[05:12] <diego_> i wanna attach a photo
[05:12] <diego_> how can i do?
[05:12] <genii-around> Use somewhere like a photo pastebin
[05:12] <genii-around> hangon
[05:13] <genii-around> diego_: Like http://www.tinypic.com
[05:14] <diego_> if u see the image i dont have the close and minimize button xD
[05:15] <diego_> http://i56.tinypic.com/waoeaw.png
[05:17] <genii-around> diego_: What did you put for the: Exec=         part of the .desktop file?
[05:18] <diego_> what it says here
[05:18] <diego_> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Compiz#Method_1_-_Autostart_Link
[05:19] <genii-around> Bah. I should have clarified to put the emerald <whatever else>
[05:20] <iulian_> diego : do you have instaled kde window decorator
[05:21] <diego_> now i started with compiz but i dont have my close and minimize buttons
[05:22] <iulian_> ok install kde window decorator
[05:22] <genii-around> diego_: Exec=emerald --replace | compiz
[05:24] <diego_> genii-around: where?
[05:24] <diego_> iulian_: from?
[05:24] <iulian_> in kpackagekit
[05:25] <iulian_> compiz kde
[05:25] <genii-around> diego_: In the compiz.desktop file example that i pointed to you earlier and told you to replace the exe3c line of it with your specific commaqnd instead of the one there
[05:25]  * genii-around breaks out the Advil
[05:25] <iulian_> that is window manager like emerald
[05:25] <diego_> iulian_: it is install
[05:27]  * genii-around makes more coffee
[05:27] <iulian_> in ccsm window decorator is enabled ?
[05:29] <diego_> julian_: yes
[05:30] <diego_> iulian_: yes
[05:30] <diego_> genii-around: done now restart?
[05:31] <genii-around> Hopefully
[05:31] <diego_> ok brb
[05:33] <diego_> omg.. u are god!! im going to restart again but this restart works
[05:33] <diego_> brb
[05:36] <diego_> nope it didnt work this time
[05:36] <diego_> but now i have my close and minimize buttons again :)
[05:37] <diego_> suggestions?
[05:38] <genii-around> diego_: Please pastebin the .desktop file you made
[05:38] <diego_> oki doki
[05:40]  * genii-around amuses himself by watching the tag-team bots
[05:41] <rww> I see this is not a form of entertainment unique to #ubuntu.
[05:41] <diego_> http://paste.kde.org/4018/
[05:42] <genii-around> diego_: For starters, remove the first line
[05:43] <diego_> ok now?
[05:43] <genii-around> diego_: Second, line 6 should be: Exec=/usr/bin/compiz emerald --replace
[05:44] <diego_> ok now?
[05:44] <noaXess> good morning
[05:44] <genii-around> diego_: Put a # at start of line 7
[05:45] <genii-around> diego_: Then save the file and re-test
[05:45] <diego_> brb
[05:45]  * genii-around slides noaXess a coffee
[05:45] <noaXess> genii-around: thanks ;)
[05:45] <genii-around> np :)
[05:45] <noaXess> i think my power management works not as it should..
[05:46] <noaXess> i disabled screen energy saving but after few minutes screen turn off and no screensaver comes up
[05:46] <noaXess> is there a way to check those parameters over cli?
[05:48] <rethus> how can i pin a package for kpackagekit?
[05:48] <diego_> genii-around: worse.. i dont have my close and minimize button and i didnt start with compiz
[05:49] <genii-around> !pinning | rethus
[05:50] <rethus> genii-around: i have pin it in synaptic, but it doesn't take effekt in kpackagekit
[05:50] <rethus> how this systems differ
[05:52] <rethus> Package: xvidcap
[05:52] <rethus> Pin: version 1.1.7-0
[05:52] <rethus> Pin-Priority: 991
[05:52] <rethus> this in /etc/apt/preferences.d/xvidcap_<IP_ADDRESS> ?
[05:53] <rethus> system should not upgrade to xvidcap 1.1.7-0.2
[05:53] <rethus> still appear in kpackagekit
[05:53] <rethus> :(
[05:54] <genii-around> diego_: Ok. Let me research a few minutes. I don't use compiz so can't test directly here
[05:55] <genii-around> !ping
[05:55] <genii-around> Stupid cat keeps yanking my cable out :(
[05:55] <rethus> :) i have two of this supid cats
[05:56] <diego_> brb re start
[05:56] <rethus> ah, i got it.
[05:56] <rethus> echo xvidcap hold | dpkg --set-selections
[05:56] <rethus> so i learnd something new..  kpackagekit is useing dpkg
[05:59] <diego_> i dont have my close and minimize button xD
[06:00] <diego_> again
[06:00] <diego_> '_'
[06:00] <Guest64080> hi , i want to instal b43 since sta driver doesn't works for me
[06:00] <genii-around> diego_: I would try for the Exec line:   Exec=compiz --replace & emerald --replace &                like that with the two &
[06:00] <Guest64080> kubuntu 10.10
[06:00] <diego_> you would try? or me?
[06:00] <diego_> or both?
[06:01] <Guest64080> diego, intenta entrar a tu carpeta /home
[06:01] <Guest64080> pulsa alt+ .
[06:01] <Guest64080> luego busca la carpeta .kde
[06:01] <genii-around> diego_: For you to edit the .desktop file and make the Exec=   line as i put above
[06:01] <Guest64080> y renombrala como .kde-old
[06:01] <Guest64080> luego reinicia
[06:02] <diego_> genii-around: can u pastebin ur .desktop?
[06:02] <genii-around> diego_: I don't have a compiz.desktop file. i don't use compiz.
[06:02] <genii-around> diego_: However, you do
[06:02] <Guest64080> diego al u need is to locate .kde on your home and rename .kde-old and restart
[06:03] <genii-around> Guest64080: That is not going to help
[06:03] <Guest64080> genii-around it works for me
[06:03] <genii-around> !wfm\
[06:03] <genii-around> !wfm
[06:03] <diego_> genii-around: because i delete my desktop file because i thought it was going to be normal
[06:04] <genii-around> diego_: Ok. I will make you one and pastebin. Please waity
[06:04] <diego_> ok Thanks
[06:06] <genii-around> diego_: http://paste.kde.org/4020/
[06:07] <genii-around> diego_: So to make a file in ~/.kde/Autostart     called compiz.desktop      and put the contents from the pastebin into that file, save
[06:09] <diego_> yeah i know
[06:09] <diego_> brb restart
[06:11] <genii-around> noaXess: Did you try something like: xset -dpms          ?
[06:11] <noaXess> genii-around: not yet..
[06:12] <genii-around> noaXess: Sometimes monitors have their own builtin shutoff, that disables it
[06:13] <noaXess> aha: DPMS (Energy Star):
[06:14] <noaXess>   Standby: 3600    Suspend: 5400    Off: 7200
[06:14] <noaXess>   DPMS is Enabled
[06:14] <noaXess>   Monitor is On
[06:14] <FloodBotK1> noaXess: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:14] <noaXess> sorry... just three lines.. i know if each one paste three lines.. ha.. i chat to a bot ;)
[06:15] <diego_> genii-around: good news.. my desktop came to normal but the .desktop file doesnt work cause it didnt start with compiz
[06:16] <genii-around> diego_: I'm currently fresh out of ideas then :(
[06:16] <diego_> it says that kubuntu start automatically start with kwin
[06:17] <diego_> is there any way to put like 4 seconds after kde is start to start the script?
[06:18] <genii-around> diego_: You could put something like:  Exec=wait 4 && compiz --replace & emerald --replace &
[06:18] <diego_> ok i will try
[06:18] <genii-around> With the two & is important together after the wait 4
[06:20] <diego_> it's still creatin in the 1st line this "#!/usr/bin/env xdg-open" why?
[06:21] <diego_> i will re start brb
[06:25] <diego_> genii-around: help me with this
[06:25] <diego_> http://paste.kde.org/4023/
[06:25] <diego_> it is a script
[06:25]  * genii-around gets more coffee and reads
[06:26] <genii-around> diego_: I'm not sure piping emerald --replace into compiz works. But i don't have compiz to test
[06:29] <diego_> brb restart
[06:38] <diego_> i dont know what else to do :(
[06:38] <genii-around> diego_: I'm also out of immediate ideas. Also it's 1:38 in the morning here so I'm not very sharp right now
[06:39] <genii-around> !autostart
[06:39] <genii-around> Hm
[06:39] <iulian_> diego_: are you with nvidia ?
[06:40] <Guest64080> anyone knows how to get work broadcom bcm 4311 on 10.10?
[06:41] <diego_> intel
[06:42] <diego_> is not a driver problem
[06:42] <diego_> it is a s.o problem
[06:42] <iulian_> diego_: ok i think first one http://paste.kde.org/4018/ it was ok
[06:43] <genii-around> Guest64080: Probably need the firmware from package firmware-b43-installer and then the b43 driver
[06:43] <iulian_> just somrthing reset settings at second restart
[06:43] <Guest64080> genni-atround I already installed the driver
[06:43] <Guest64080> but the sta
[06:44] <Guest64080> B43 doen'st appears
[06:44] <diego_> iulian_: what do u mean?
[06:44] <Guest64080> genii-around
[06:44] <iulian_> at first start everything was fine second reset why
[06:44] <diego_> dunno :S
[06:45] <diego_> im newbie in linux a few days decided to change to linux so i dunno any script and those things
[06:45] <Guest64080> diego_ whats your problem
[06:46] <diego_> i want kubuntu starts with compiz
[06:46] <Guest64080> diego_ kubuntu has his own effects manager
[06:46] <Guest64080> kwin
[06:46] <diego_> i know but that can change
[06:46] <Guest64080> ok
[06:46] <diego_> that's why its free software
[06:47] <diego_> :D
[06:47] <Guest64080> diego hablas español?
[06:47] <diego_> Claro soy de bolivia
[06:47] <Guest64080> mira, diego
[06:47] <user0> 123
[06:47] <Guest64080> la verdad yo una vez le metí compiz a kubuntu y se veía feo
[06:47] <Guest64080> me quedo mil veces con kwin
[06:47] <Guest64080> y si tienes la version 10.10 de ubuntu
[06:48] <Guest64080> puedes actualizar tu escritorio kde a la version 4.6
[06:48] <diego_> ps a mi me gustan mas los efectos que tiene compiz que kwin
[06:48] <user0> ))
[06:48] <Guest64080> y tendras un escritorio por demas precioso
[06:48] <genii-around> Guest64080: I'm pretty sure whatever driver you use, you need the firmware. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/b43 for example says to use the b43-fwcutter  package for instance
[06:49] <diego_> Guest64080: yo creo que uso esa version de kde pero bueno.. cada uno con sus gustos no?
[06:49] <Guest64080> diego_ puedes buscar como activar compiz en ubuntu 10.10 en google
[06:49] <diego_> ya esta activado
[06:49] <diego_> tengo los super efectos
[06:49] <diego_> todo
[06:50] <Guest64080> diego_ la version de kde que viene con kubuntu 10.10 por fecfecto es la 4.3.5
[06:50] <diego_> lo que quiero es que compiz inicie junto con kubuntu 10.10
[06:50] <Guest64080> acaba de salir la 4.5
[06:50] <diego_> en donde puedo fijarme que kde tengo?
[06:50] <Guest64080> abre cualquier aplicacion
[06:50] <Guest64080> como amarok o la que sea
[06:50] <Guest64080> y donde dice ayuda
[06:50] <Guest64080> le daz y te dice acerca de
[06:50] <genii-around> Please, english here :)
[06:50] <Guest64080> ahi te aparece
[06:50] <FloodBotK1> Guest64080: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:51] <diego_> Versión de la plataforma 4.5.1 (KDE 4.5.1)
[06:51] <diego_> lol?
[06:52] <diego_> creo que me pase xD
[06:52] <genii-around> !es
[06:53] <diego_> ok ok i got it
[06:53] <diego_> sorry
[06:53] <genii-around> Thanks!
[06:54] <iulian_> diego_: script is same http://paste.kde.org/4018/ return it and see troubleshooting there https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[06:56] <iulian_> there is possible some sethings to reset but where they are in ccsm i have no idea dont use compiz
[07:23] <diego__> nothin? :(
[07:31] <diego__> I MADE IT! FINALLY!
[08:48] <left4deadmw> asd
[08:49] <ucenik23> sa
[08:49] <ucenik23> okeyy
[08:49] <ucenik23> kazhi sga uche kako da ga zatmnim ekranot
[08:49] <left4deadmw> zaso
[08:49] <ucenik22> so e be
[08:49] <ucenik22> kosta ke te ebam
[08:52] <ucenik23> chekai koj e 22?
[08:52] <rork> !en
[08:53] <ucenik23> Fuck
[09:00] <ucenik23> Wa wa wa
[09:00] <ucenik23> Zhivi li ste ?
[09:02] <left4deadmw> so be
[09:02] <ucenik23> Ai privaten !
[09:02] <left4deadmw> ne e
[09:06] <Riddell> ucenik23: http://ubuntuforums.org/group.php?groupid=357
[09:40] <Guest82375> hi, i need some help
[09:40] <Guest82375> is this expression weel typed?
[09:40] <Guest82375> sh: for i in `find /lib /var -name wl\.ko`; do mv $i ${i}.orig; done
[09:41] <Guest82375> it suppossed tosearch in /lib & /var all files named wl/.ko and rename it but it gives an error
[10:16] <skramer_> which package do I have to install to get back the default KDM Login screen?
[11:04] <mantise> Hi
[11:04] <mantise> i just did a purekde
[11:05] <mantise> to remove gnome from my system
[11:05] <mantise> after i rebooted, no desktop is starting up ^
[11:05] <mantise> i only get into the tty login screens
[11:08] <mantise> if i wanna reinstall kde from console
[11:08] <mantise> can i just do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[11:09] <mantise> i just tryed to, said everything was installed, and no upgrades
[11:11] <rork> mantise: you'll probably have to reset kdm as your default desktop manager: `dpkg-reconfigure kdm`
[11:11] <mantise> oh, gonna try that. sec
[11:12] <mantise> ok, did that. then just reboot and it should work ?
[11:13] <rork> I think so
[11:13] <mantise> Ok, thanks mate
[11:13] <mantise> bye
[11:18] <mantise> rork:
[11:18] <mantise> didnt work
[11:18] <mantise> when i try to startx/kde
[11:18] <mantise> it says display not found
[11:19] <mantise> or that its not set, and cannot connect to the X server
[11:24] <mantise> keeps saying failed to connect to X server, no screen found
[11:27] <mantise> might aswell just reinstall ubuntu then
[11:30] <rork> mantise: might be a graphics driver problem, I've never had that problem
[11:30] <mantise> yes, it says something with nvidia driver not found aswell
[11:31] <mantise> when im in console, can i cp a file to my windows hd?
[11:31] <mantise> i mean, where do i locate the harddisk
[11:31] <mantise> i need to mount it manuel in console ?
[11:32] <rork> you can do `ls /media` to check if it's mounted, if it's not you'll have to do a manual mount
[11:32] <rork> which graphics card do you have?
[11:32] <GHH> Hello
[11:32] <rork> hi GHH
[11:33] <mantise> rork: No, only floppy there. i have an nvidia geforce gtx 460
[11:34] <GHH> I Installed KDE in Ubuntu 10.10 . But How can i remove this one please http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/extra/LINUX/small/ubuntu1004installation-small_000.png
[11:34] <GHH> ?
[11:34] <mantise> i installed the driver in gnome when i had that installed, maybe it removed it when, i uninstalled gnome
[11:35] <GHH> I am spending about 1 month but i still can't remove the wallpaper
[11:35] <GHH> Can someone help me please?
[11:35] <GHH> rork,
[11:35] <rork> GHH is that a wallpaper of the plymouth screen?
[11:36] <rork> mantise: you can configure the nvidia drivers with `sudo nvidia-config`
[11:36] <GHH> rork, Actually i am not understanding that where it is exist but i saw this is not exist in plymouth
[11:37] <mantise> rork, command not found
[11:37] <GHH> rork, can you guess where is wallpaper is exist?
[11:38] <mantise> rork: i did nvidia-detector<- was the only command i could use
[11:38] <mantise> rork: and i got reply: none
[11:38] <yofel> GHH: sudo update-alternatives default.plymouth
[11:38] <yofel> if you want to change the splash screen
[11:38] <yofel> mantise: nvidia-xconfig ?
[11:39] <yofel> (with sudo)
[11:39] <yofel> if that's not there then the driver isn't installed
[11:39] <GHH> yofel, I have my own wallpaper which i want to use
[11:40] <GHH> yofel, I mean editing it manually and adding company wallpaper
[11:40] <yofel> oh, then the only thing I know is that you can try to edit the splash files in /lib/plymouth/
[11:42] <GHH> yofel, Is it not one wallpaper?
[11:43] <yofel> no, it's a wallpaper I think + the theme which handles the dots, messages and input
[11:43] <GHH> yeah
[11:43] <yofel> but I think the background can also be rendered by setting a color gradient in the theme, so no wallpaper at all if that's used
[11:43] <GHH> yofel, But i can not find the wallpaper in plymouth
[11:43] <GHH> that is my problem
[11:44] <yofel> I think it does support using wallpapers, but I don't know how
[11:44] <GHH> So is it not possible to remove or using Black screen ?
[11:45] <yofel> well, you can remove the 'splash' option in /etc/default/grub, that *should* give you a black screen
[11:46] <GHH> yofel, perhaps you are telling about the "quiet splash" but did not work
[11:47] <yofel> then I'm out of ideas
[11:47] <GHH> thanks for tried to help me
[11:48] <mantise> yofel: it didnt work. as su osv :) then gnome must have removed it
[11:48] <mantise> apt-get install nvidia-?
[11:48] <yofel> mantise: which driver did you have installed?
[11:49] <mantise> well, when i had gnome, it found an nvidia driver for geforce gtx 460
[11:49] <yofel> acutally, try 'sudo jockey-text'
[11:49] <yofel> ah, that should be nvidia-current then
[11:50] <mantise> ok, searching atm
[11:50] <mantise> yofel: when i do jockey-text, it takes a minut
[11:50] <mantise> but nothing happens
[11:51] <mantise> just gonna try apt-get install nvidia-current then ?
[11:51] <yofel> yep
[11:51] <yofel> after that run 'sudo nvidia-xconfig'
[11:53] <mantise> validation error
[11:53] <mantise> data incomplete in file
[11:53] <mantise> xorg.conf
[11:54] <mantise> undefined device"(null)"
[11:54] <yofel> sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:54] <yofel> then try again
[11:54] <mantise> referenced by screen "default screen"
[11:54] <mantise> ok
[11:55] <mantise> ok, made new file now
[11:55] <mantise> and did the nvidia xconfig
[11:55] <mantise> gonna try a reboot, and see if it works then? or just starkde or something ?
[11:57] <mantise> hm, still looks like it doesnt work.. ill do a reboot, brb
[12:00] <mantise> it worked after a reboot :) thanks a lot mate :)
[12:03] <mantise> hm, isnt ther the software manager in kubuntu ?
[12:09] <GHH> So is there ending helping me about that?
[12:22] <tdn> Is anyone using Kubuntu 10.04? Will you check what version kile is in that distro? apt-cache show kile
[12:37] <mandla> Hey guys apart from DIA what else is available for ERD modeling?
[12:37] <skramer_> tdn: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/kile
[12:38] <skramer_> tdn: packages.ubuntu.com is always a good place if you are looking for package information
[12:39] <Riddell> mandla: Umbrello, but it's not well maintained (volunteers welcome)
[12:40] <mandla> Riddell: I dnt like it either, i want something link Visual Paradigm, i have it but it wont run on Wine
[12:42] <tdn> skramer_, thanks.
[12:51] <adnene> salut tout le monde !
[12:51] <adnene> c ma 1ere fois dans KU irc
[12:55] <GHH> I do not know why recovery mode is not working
[13:03] <rork> !fr | adnene
[14:31] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:34] <BluesKaj> reinstalled 10.10 on my other linuxbox, but the newest kernel (<IP_ADDRESS>) wouldn't boot after updating .. tried all the fixes I could think of but X was totalling broken, so I just deleted the kernel ...any ideas ?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> er totally broken
[14:42] <rogerlays> :)
[15:22] <utku> How can I change DPI manually? I tried editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf but it doesn't exist.
[15:24] <BluesKaj> utku, system settings/application appearance /.fonts / forcefonts dpi
[15:25] <utku> BluesKaj: Well, I don't want 120 or 96.
[15:29] <BluesKaj> utku, well, what you want and what you can getalready determined ..dunno of any other settings
[15:30] <utku> BluesKaj: ok, thanks
[15:39] <thrall_> using "sudo xxd /dev/input/event8" I expected to see data from mouse input. instead it does nothing. Have I misunderstood? (event8 is handler for my mouse according to /proc/bus/input/devices)
[15:42] <BluesKaj> thrall_, what are you trying to do ?
[15:45] <thrall_> BluesKaj: Well I'm actually trying to set up a wacom tablet. Part of the process says to test the tablet input with xxd. getting nothing from the tablet event I thought I'd try it on the mouse (which I know works)
[15:47] <BluesKaj> thrall_, check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file if you have one to see what the input device mouse settings are.
[15:47] <thrall_> BluesKaj: I have no xorg.conf file
[15:52] <CoJaBo> does anyone know how to fix the "network management disabled" error?
[15:53] <CoJaBo> where network manager gets stick on that ind won't function
[15:53] <BluesKaj> thrall_, ok you have to drop to a tty , ctrl+alt+f1 , then login , sudo service kdm stop , then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , if you have an nvidia card then, sudo nvidia-xconfig , then sudo service kdm start , then startx
[15:54] <BluesKaj> CoJaBo, are you on wifi or ethernet ?
[15:56] <fixman> heh
[16:01] <BluesKaj> WirelessEnabled=trueCoJaBo, alt+f2 , kdesudo kate /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state, make sure :  NetworkingEnabled=true , WWANEnabled=true
[16:02] <BluesKaj> WirelessEnabled=true
[16:02] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj:  yeh, that's what google said too..
[16:02] <S3Indiana> Is there an isssue with the Kubuntu forum Getting an error: Service Unavailable
[16:02] <thrall_> BluesKaj: What should be different now I have done as you said?
[16:03] <BluesKaj> CoJaBo, I took those from my settings
[16:03] <S3Indiana> http://www.kubuntuforums.net/
[16:04] <BluesKaj> did you see a xorg.conf file generated afrter those commands , thrall_ ?
[16:04] <thrall_> BluesKaj: no
[16:05] <thrall_> BluesKaj: I thought xorg.conf was no longer used?
[16:06] <BluesKaj> thrall_, open the the run box (alt+f2) , kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf  to see the settings
[16:06] <thrall_> BluesKaj: /etc/X11/xorg.conf does not exist
[16:07] <BluesKaj> thrall_, it is used in special circumstances like ppl who tablets
[16:07] <BluesKaj> have
[16:07] <thrall_> BluesKaj: I know, but I don't currently have one to look at
[16:07] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: Yeh, I might just restore from backup, hopefully i have one :/
[16:08] <BluesKaj> thrall_, did you drop to a tty to run those commands or did you just usw the cli ?
[16:08] <thrall_> dropped to tty
[16:08] <thrall_> BluesKaj:
[16:09] <BluesKaj> CoJaBo, you still din't answer my question, wifi or ethernet ?
[16:09] <BluesKaj> thrall_, strange
[16:10] <BluesKaj> thrall_, what graphics card ?
[16:10] <thrall_> BluesKaj: Intel GMA950
[16:10] <thrall_> BluesKaj: So I didn't run the nvidia-xconfig
[16:11] <BluesKaj> right
[16:14] <BluesKaj> ok, dunno what else to do thrall_ ...not real knowledgeable about tablet computing and I suppose you've already been here :http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/
[16:15] <S3Indiana> No one else experiencing an issue with the Kubuntu forum?
[16:15] <thrall_> BluesKaj: yeah that was where I got to xxd from.
[16:16] <BluesKaj> S3Indiana, http://www.kubuntuforum.org/ , "no service available"
[16:17] <S3Indiana> Yup same here
[16:17] <S3Indiana> Thx. for verifying
[16:17] <BluesKaj> S3Indiana,  np
[16:19] <cjgelles> hello @ all here ...
[16:19] <cjgelles> i am new here ... how are you all ???
[16:19] <BluesKaj> cjgelles, hi, btw , @ doesn't work on irc , just use ppl's nicks
[16:20] <cjgelles> oh okay sorry ... thank you for the tip BluesKaj
[16:23] <xrfang> hi mobile broadband tab is not usable on my knetworkmanager, how to fix it? thanks
[16:25] <BluesKaj> xrfang, pls explain,useable
[16:25] <xrfang> BluesKaj: the tab is disabled (gray)
[16:25] <xrfang> I have googled, and installed modemanager (which was already there actually)
[16:26] <xrfang> I am 100% sure that my usb modem is compatible with linux. I have used that before, both under kde and gnome
[16:26] <xrfang> but haven't used that for some days, now it seems not recognizing the hardware, or I am missing some software package? I don't know
[16:27] <BluesKaj>  xrfang , broadband tab, not familiar with that one
[16:27] <xrfang> :( ok
[16:29] <BluesKaj> usb modem is wifi or ethernet , xrfang, I'm a bit confused
[16:30] <Guest25832>  /join #dondetuhermana
[16:32] <xrfang> BluesKaj: it is not wifi nor ethernet
[16:32] <xrfang> it is 3G mobile network
[16:39] <BluesKaj> xrfang, sorta suspected that ...no wonder I was confused :) ..sorry dunno much about phone surfing
[16:40] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: Actually i did answer, but it went to the wrong channel -_-' wifi.
[16:43] <BluesKaj> CoJaBo, so where are you now in terms of connecting ?
[16:54] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: Going to reimage the machine when i get home
[16:55] <CoJaBo> Seems to be the simplest way to fix it, i have no idea whats messed up
[16:59] <thrall_> BluesKaj: seems the tablet part of xorg.conf is now in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-wacom.conf
[17:09] <cole> What if I installed one version of an application via the apt-get and then a more recent version by downloading a .deb and installing it, would the se
[17:09] <cole> Would this be safe?
[17:18] <busyfingers> hi folks can anyone assisit with a probe with  updates?
[17:18] <busyfingers> probem rather, sorry, will have to get that M key sortd out.lol
[17:24] <tborras> \join #debian
[17:45] <thrall__> W00T! Tablet now working perfectly! Pressure and everything!!
[17:45]  * thrall__ bounces happily round the room
[17:56] <Guest80490> Can't we install KDE 4.6 on Lucid?
[17:58] <Peace-> Guest80490: guess no
[18:01] <Guest80490> Peace, yes I see :D I mean, why can't it be installed? Also, I won't be able to install 4.7 and 4.8 as well..
[18:05] <yofel> raffaeleeee: that sould require some system core library updates to get working properly that nobody wants to do and support
[18:09] <thrall_> This seems most odd: creating  the file /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-monitor.conf (in an attempt to fix issues with double-monitor setup resetting on reboot) has caused my wacom tablet (which should be configured according to the pre-existing /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-wacom.conf) to work properly. Remove 10-monitors.conf and the tablet stops working. put 10-monitors.conf back, it starts working again. Can anyone offer an explanation of what is going
[18:09] <thrall_> on?
[18:12] <Peace-> raffaeleeee: welll.. a stable realese = fixed version
[18:15] <raffaeleeee> Peace, ok thx for your explanation. I though only the major version should stay the same (4.x)
[18:36] <diego_> Someone knows how to start compiz with kubuntu?
[18:37] <yofel> install compiz-kde and select it in system settings -> default applications. My knowledge stops there
[18:45] <rosco_y> what is the *VERY BEST* music player?
[18:46] <rosco_y> as in numero uno
[18:46] <rosco_y> (I'm wondering which one I should install)
[18:46] <Peace-> rosco_y: mmm
[18:46] <Peace-> rosco_y: veryt best depends from you
[18:46] <Peace-> i use vlc..
[18:47] <Peace-> someone use juk
[18:47] <rosco_y> Peace-: actually, I'm trying to start an argument....
[18:47] <rosco_y> vlc
[18:47] <rosco_y> juk
[18:47] <Peace-> amarok
[18:47] <rosco_y> amarok, there's a name I've used before
[18:47] <rosco_y> vlc I've used for vidoe
[18:47] <rosco_y> and even a little video
[18:47] <Peace-> clementine
[18:47] <rosco_y> interesting
[18:47] <rosco_y> never heard of that one
[18:48] <Peace-> vlc is a very powerfull music plauyer
[18:48] <Peace-> if you enalble the stuff
[18:48] <rosco_y> I'll give it a try, thank you!
[18:58] <george_> hello! how can I share internet connection on Kubuntu 10.10?
[19:01] <george_> hello friends? how can I share internet connection on kubuntu 10.10?
[19:09] <areichman> george_: share with another computer?
[19:09] <raffaeleeee> george_ can you explain better?
[19:11] <george_> yes, share a wired connection or a 3G modem internet connection with another computer/laptop by creating an ad hoc  wi-fi network. It's very easy to do that on ubuntu 10.10, but I can't find how to do it on kubuntu 10.10.
[19:12] <raffaeleeee> is the kubuntu machine connected to internet?
[19:13] <george_> yes, i'm running kubuntu 10.10, I'm connected to the internet using a 3G modem
[19:19] <diego_> yofel: it starts with compiz but it start with an error of kde :S
[19:20] <yofel> well, I don't know really, I found compiz-kde too unstable to be actually usable when I tried it once to be honest
[19:21] <raffaeleeee> george_, what GUI program do you use?
[19:22] <Peace-> yofel: compiz-kde?
[19:23] <Peace-> yofel: here there is kwin effects
[19:30] <george_> raffaeleee: I've tried to find the its name, but couldn't. It's the default one, its symbol is like a blue "m"
[19:32] <raffaeleeee> george_ ok, so it's network manager
[19:32] <raffaeleeee> KDE version.. I think it should have an option
[19:32] <raffaeleeee> for creating an ad-hoc network
[19:32] <raffaeleeee> can you find it?, george_
[19:34] <george_> raffaeleee: I can't find it the option to create an ad-hoc network...
[19:35] <raffaeleeee> hmmm george_, i'm googling for screenshots :/ hold on
[19:35] <raffaeleeee> I use wicd even on KDE because I have problems with NM
[19:37] <george_> raffaeleee: thanks...
[19:38] <raffaeleeee> george_, you could try joining #nm and asking there, cause I can't find screenshots
[19:40] <george_> raffaeleee: thanks anyway...
[19:45] <george_> raffaeleee: Thanks. I''l try. It would be nice if  NM had the option to easily create an ad-hoc network, just like ubuntu...
[19:46] <raffaeleeee> george_ NetworkManager has 2 frontends, one for GNOME and one for KDE.. I think the gnome version has the ad-hoc option, I'm not sure about the kde one..
[19:48] <george_> raffaeleee: kde one doesn't have it, at least is not "visible"
[19:48] <raffaeleeee> george_ not good news :D anyway I think it's easy to create an ad-hoc network just with CLI
[19:48] <raffaeleeee> wait for a moment
[19:50] <raffaeleeee> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/creating-wireless-ad-hoc-networks-on-linux-boxes-614579/
[19:50] <raffaeleeee> george_ try this link
[19:52] <george_> raffaeleee: all right thanks
[19:52] <george_> raffaeleee: i'll check that later. thanks for your help. bye
[20:54] <slooksterpsv> hey all, I have a question, what package do I need to reconfigure if no effects are showing in the Desktop Effects setting?
[20:56] <weboh> How does one install KDE in Ubuntu?
[20:59] <weboh> do I need Kubuntu instead?
[20:59] <BluesKaj> weboh, install kubuntu-desktop
[20:59] <slooksterpsv> there's a couple of ways weboh, you can install kubuntu-desktop via the terminal (or search for it in Software Center)
[20:59] <BluesKaj> slooksterpsv, which graphics card ?
[21:00] <slooksterpsv> ati radeon 4200 HD IGP
[21:01] <slooksterpsv> it says Desktop Effects are enabled, but: Desktop effects are not available on this system due to the following technical issues: but nothing listed after
[21:03] <slooksterpsv> also it lets me do compositing of xrendr, but I want opengl
[21:03] <BluesKaj> slooksterpsv, lok in the kmenu/sytem/additional hardware drivers , choose the recommended driver if you have a choice there
[21:04] <slooksterpsv> doesn't jockey find fglrx though? I've installed the fglrx ran aticonfig --initial -f and also put some optimizations for firefox in xorg
[21:04] <slooksterpsv> yup it's installed
[21:04] <BluesKaj> ok which kubuntu version ?
[21:05] <slooksterpsv> 10.10 64-bit, kde 4.5.1, all upgrades 2.6.35-25 kernel
[21:07] <slooksterpsv> hmm... I'm going to use the backports and upgrade to 4.6 see if that helps any
[21:08] <BluesKaj> slooksterpsv, is that a pci card?
[21:09] <slooksterpsv> no, laptop, gateway nv53
[21:11] <doido> vdvdvdvd
[21:11] <doido> vd
[21:11] <doido> vd
[21:11] <doido> vd
[21:11] <doido> v
[21:11] <FloodBotK2> doido: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:11] <doido> dv
[21:26] <slooksterpsv> ok so KDE 4.6 made no difference
[21:29] <slooksterpsv> so under Desktop Effects -> All effects, nothing is listed there, which is odd, cause it did have like accessibility, etc. etc.
[21:30] <BluesKaj> slooksterpsv, my old pc with ati inboard didn't run the desktop effects either , the driver wasn't configured to do 3d and dri , unlike the fglrx drivers in previous versions ,like 9.04  I think was the last one
[21:31] <slooksterpsv> ok... but with Compiz 3d effects work fine, the glxgears shows at least a 500% improvment with the ati drivers vs not, and that, so is it an issue with kwin and the ati driver then?
[21:31] <BluesKaj> ati's support for linux has been going downhill for quite a while now
[21:32] <slooksterpsv> kde wise, no offense, cause ATI Drivers in Ubuntu and Xubuntu work great, KDE is the one WM I've had tons of issues with
[21:32] <slooksterpsv> I guess DE would stand better, cause technically it is a DE with a WM included
[21:33] <BluesKaj> slooksterpsv, what about fglxgears , the 6 sided cube which indicates dri and 3d is enabled ?
[21:33] <slooksterpsv> haven't done that one
[21:34] <slooksterpsv> bb in about 10
[21:34] <maco> the kwin devs have talked to X devs and gotten them to start adding the parts of the X API that they use to their performance testing, instead of them only testing the parts Compiz uses, so things should improve in the next release or two
[21:36] <BluesKaj> maco, he has apoint , I recall the gnome desktop and gdm was much better with the fglrx drivers on ati conboards
[21:36] <BluesKaj> onboards
[21:45] <slooksterpsv> nope none of it worked
[21:46] <slooksterpsv> so BluesKaj, what package installs the effects for KDE
[21:47] <BluesKaj> slooksterpsv, it used to be an altered version of compiz , but now I'm not sure
[21:48] <slooksterpsv> hmmm there's compiz-kde, let's install that
[22:01] <inazio> ulertzeko modua
[22:43] <latif> yo
[22:47] <FloridaGuy> hows come the same repo mirror on 1 distro can be 200 to 300 kbps faster then on another distro
[23:47] <Realmkeeper> Greetings...
[23:49] <Realmkeeper> From: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NattyNarwhal/Alpha2/Kubuntu ... "Kubuntu will release version 11.04, the Natty Narwhal, in April 2010." ... Shouldn't that be "in April 2011"
[23:49] <Mase_wk> nup
[23:49] <Mase_wk> they will go back in time
[23:49] <Mase_wk> and release it then...
[23:50] <Mase_wk> it's just they haven't done it yet
[23:50] <Mase_wk> so we don't know about it. all part of the plan... =)
[23:50] <Realmkeeper> Ah, okay. Well, I do LOVE my time machine. See you all in April, 2010!
[23:50] <Mase_wk> natty is looking good.
[23:51] <Mase_wk> Realmkeeper: but yes, i guess someone should file a bug with the website and request they change it to 2011.
[23:52] <mantise> Hi
[23:52] <Mase_wk> Hi mantise
[23:52] <mantise> i installed a screen saver pack for kde
[23:52] <mantise> default pack
[23:52] <westmi49319> how do I make a program the default?
[23:53] <mantise> but i want the matrix screensaver as i had in old desktop
[23:53] <mantise> how can i get that for kde control module - screen saver
[23:53] <Mase_wk> i think it's the gl matrix screensaver
[23:53] <Mase_wk> or gl screensavers
[23:53] <westmi49319> I wanna make ktorrent the default when i click a torrent
[23:54] <mantise> in my kde screen saver i have a opengl scren savers pack at the moment
[23:54] <james147> westmi49319: for a specific file type the easiest way is to right click a file of that type > propertities > click the spanner icon on the general page (its a little small :p) and set it there
[23:54] <Mase_wk> westmi49319: system settings -> file associations
[23:55] <james147> westmi49319: you can also go to system settings > file association  and look for the file type there
[23:55] <Realmkeeper> Mase_wk: I was just hoping that one of the webmins will just see the comment here ;)
[23:56] <Mase_wk> Realmkeeper: i doubt it.
[23:57] <mantise> Mase_wk: i can see that i have xscreensaver-gl installed, but it doesnt run with my kde screen saver panel ?
[23:57] <Mase_wk> if you want something fixed, irc isn't the way to do it
[23:57] <smiffla> this is my first irc, who's proud of me?
[23:57] <Mase_wk> mantise: have you logged in / out since installing it ?
[23:58] <westmi49319> hmm..so what type of file is a torrent?
[23:58] <mantise> Mase_wk: it just told me to shut down the screensaver manager
[23:58] <mantise> restart the program
[23:58] <Mase_wk> smiffla: probably your mother and father. I have a son, i am proud of him for every little achievement
[23:58] <Mase_wk> so i imagine your parents are the same
[23:58] <Mase_wk> mantise: not sure sorry
[23:58] <mantise> Mase_wk: np, thanks :)
[23:59] <smiffla> Mase_wk: that goes without saying, but they're not irc :(