[14:37] <halme> want to work on  small bugs
[14:37] <halme> is anyone there
[14:42] <halme> ...
[14:42] <halme> want to /join
[14:58] <Pici> sorry, looks like things are just not busy right now.
[14:58] <Pici> (also , I don't do bug fixing myself, so I think you'll just need to wait for someone else to show up)
[14:58] <Pici> this *might* be updated, but I'm not sure:
[14:58] <Pici> !bitesize


[00:00] <Kubuntu_new> anyway, out of time. I'll be on a little later, and if I may, I'll mine your brains then.
[03:15] <r_rios> Hey. I have a triple-boot set up in my system: opensuse, Windows, and Kubuntu 14.04. The grub menu comes from opensuse, but every time I upgrade Kubuntu's kernel, Kubuntu's grub menu takes over, and then I opensuse doesn't boot for some reason.
[03:15] <r_rios> How can I update my Kubuntu but block grub-update?\
[04:25] <user|51362> hello my Ubuntu when logging in does not show me the desktop, it stays in the login screen
[04:26] <user|51362> *Kubuntu
[04:26] <user|51362> please help me
[05:00] <Kubuntu_new> I have returned.
[05:00] <shaver_> Where do I download 64-bit kubuntu?
[05:01] <Kubuntu_new> and I've decided on the most relevant question. Does kubuntu have a generic touchscreen driver?
[05:05] <KurousagiMK2> shaver http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/16.10/release/
[05:08] <Kubuntu_new> it seems it might...
[05:08] <shaver_> Kur:Thanks. I'll try downloading the 64-bit version.
[05:10] <shaver_> I started the torrent download. Kubuntu 64-bit. Thanks again.
[05:10] <shaver> ok. I have to help the spouse fold clothes.
[06:01] <penelopa> Hello all! I have problem with Kubuntu 16.10. For my KDE work only with kernel 4.4.0-43. With kernel 4.8.0-22 not work. Please submitting bug report for developers.
[06:02] <penelopa> Kernel 4.8.0-22 not korrect work for my i960 chipset. Please report bug. KDE not work.
[06:09] <penelopa> Bad work KDE in my kubuntu 16.10, permanently crashed (((
[06:14] <valorie> penelopa: this is not where you report bugs
[06:15] <valorie> and you can run an old kernel if you want
[06:15] <valorie> !kernel
[06:21] <penelopa> valorie: With old kernel work, KDE plasma permanently crashed.
[06:22] <soee> crashed in what way ?
[06:35] <user|61986> will installing kunutu wipe al of my existing files?
[06:35] <user|61986> kubuntu? sorry
[06:40] <valorie> user|61986: depends on how you do it
[06:40] <valorie> if you say "use the entire disk" then yes
[06:47] <user|61986> thank you
[06:48] <penelopa> soee: Crashed on my i960 chipset periodical in 10-15 minutes. (((
[06:48] <penelopa> Kubuntu 16.10 - is awesome release.
 Need konsole terminal code to upgrade to 16.10 from 16.04
 Any help pls
[07:18] <CQ> hello, when can I do-release-upgrade my 16.04? does it take a few days to mirror?
 @soumyajitpal, in completely on console, make sure 'Prompt=normal' is set in '/etc/update-manager/release-upgrades'
 then run 'sudo do-release-upgrade'
 ok
 thanks
 @acheronuk
[07:34] <acheronuk> CQ: you may need to change the release upgrade mode as I just said to soumyajitpal
[07:34] <acheronuk> CQ: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?70922-Upgrade-for-Kubuntu-16-04-LTS&p=393807&viewfull=1#post393807
[07:35] <CQ> thanks, will chekc that leter.
[07:35] <CQ> later
[08:44] <vishnu_> hey guys!
[08:45] <vishnu_> * hey folks
[09:08] <afd_> which plasma version will be available in 16.10 ?
[09:13] <fml> it says 5.7.5
[09:13] <fml> and it's upgraded
[09:17] <jubo2> mmm..
[09:17] <jubo2> found a free 20W DC charger
[09:18] <jubo2> is from Acer but slides perfectly into a HP
[09:18] <jubo2> Now booting it to 16.10
[09:18] <jubo2> If the OS will install properly it does look like my travel computer privileges are reacquired
[09:19] <jubo2> 80 sec startup
[09:19] <jubo2> and X ain't up even yet lol
[09:19] <jubo2> Retro-compuuttahs!
[09:20] <jubo2> Hmmm.. I wonder what kind RAM this eats
[09:20] <jubo2> Was like 788MHz in BIOS
[09:20] <jubo2> DDR2 prlly
[09:21] <jubo2> Disk is 120GB and Windows XP is banish to lose persistent media 100% which gives me enough space
[09:40] <jubo2> Installation seems to be progressing with no probelms
[09:40] <jubo2> howevs semi-antique the HW is
[10:16] <jubo2> automatic chose 1.1GB SWAP
[10:16] <jubo2> please don't tell me this means the machine has 1GB RAM
[10:16] <jubo2> that'll be unusable. 2GB machines barely run modern GNU/Linukka
[10:17] <mparillo> I find kubuntu is the only kde distro that runs OK in 1GB for light surfing and Libre Office editing.
[10:45] <vip> hi ho
[10:56] <jubo2> oh shoot
[10:56] <jubo2> 1GB RAM
[10:56] <jubo2> This is gonna be like a flea in tar
[10:57] <jubo2> and I ain't talking about the bass player
[10:57] <jubo2> We try
[10:57] <jubo2> I 'sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade'
[10:58] <jubo2> "yakkety" I see
[10:58] <jubo2> what's the animal this October?
[10:58] <jubo2> And wts "Yakkety" imply?
[10:59] <jubo2> This is insanely slow, but at least I'll have connectivity
[11:01] <jubo2> Uhh.. Centrino Duo..
[11:01] <jubo2> This is not gonna take these 2x 2GB DDR3s I have here but lets try it still
[11:18] <poda4a> hello all. As I understood, there's no nice option to share all Kubuntu settings (key shortcuts, themes, Plasma settings etc.) across many machines. Am I correct? If so, does anyone know a good alternative to that? Maybe different distro?
[11:22] <hi2u> poda4a: you're talking about copying a few appearance and specific user settings?
[11:25] <hi2u> write a script containing all the changes and distribute it
[11:29] <dsealius> why okular is not installed by default on 16.10 release ?
[11:30] <dsealius> it launches libre office instead
[11:36] <poda4a> but how do i know where are ALL the changes?
[11:41] <BluesKaj_> Howdy folks
[11:50] <hi2u> poda4a: example?
[11:50] <poda4a> key bindings, all system settings?
[11:51] <poda4a> ...KNotes/Dolphin/Kmail settings
[11:51] <poda4a> this seems to be quite basic feature
 @acheronuk, thanks..  followed and downloaded 😄
[13:10] <giona> hi
 hi
 Hi, in 16.10 I always have an icon on the task bar sugesting me to intall flash as an additional package to Firefox..... How can I get rid of it (not installing flash obvioisly)
[14:20] <fml> IrcsomeBot: explain further
[14:29] <ikonia> it's a bot
[14:41] <topher> Hello
 @fml, I'll explain later, sorry afk
[16:34] <user|10429> Hey people, Any idea when will Plasma 8 be available on Kubuntu ?
[16:34] <user|10429> 5.8 I meant
 When it has been done for 17.04 developement version then backported. Can't give an exact ETA, but would like to see that ASAP.
[17:05]  * opal 💩  slaps Drone` around a bit with a large trout.  💩
[18:10] <j-b-m-> anybody has hints an upgrading from Kubuntu 16.04 to 16.10? Tried changing "release upgrade" to normal but no update shows up...
[18:11] <FatboyFitz> j-b-m-: Perhaps it is because 16.04 is a LTS - there should be an option to check to enable moving off a LTS
[18:14] <j-b-m-> Yes, that's what I changed in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades, I switched from LTS to normal
[18:14] <jubo2> This K16.10 is almost usable with 2007 CPU and 1GB RAM
[18:14] <jubo2> No worries. I have located some 2GB RAM that is with shipping 23,50€
[18:15] <jubo2> I know that's expensive but this will be a fine perfectly functional GNU/Linux once it's got 3GB RAM
[18:15] <jubo2> Memory price is strange, the older and therefore slower and smaller it is the more expensive it is per unit
[18:16] <jubo2> We should all hoard old RAM and lock it up for 50 yrs.. then all we need is someone who is desparate to get functional RAM to a 60 yr old machine and *KA-CHING*
[18:16] <BluesKaj> jubo2, ferer production runs makes it more expensive to serve that market
[18:17] <BluesKaj> fewer
[18:17]  * acheronuk looks in drawer. finds old 1GB RAM module
[18:17] <jubo2> I got a free power adapter, 8GB 1066MHz DDR3 RAM and a keyboard
[18:18] <jubo2> plus bought a 19" display (on credit) for 15€
[18:18] <acheronuk> Windows Vista ready on the packet.... Woooo.
[18:18] <jubo2> The 2nd hand computer pros at Sörnäinen got interesting prices for DDR2 800MHz RAM.
[18:18] <BluesKaj> i t cost me $50CDN for 3G Ram 2yrs ago for my 2008 HP
[18:18] <jubo2> 1GB == 2€
[18:19] <jubo2> 2GB == 20€
[18:19] <jubo2> that's +400% per unit if you want the rational choice
[18:21] <pato> in the past (older ubuntu releases) I could do "ping otherHost.local" and it worked, by searching the network and retreiving the IP automagically
[18:21] <pato> is that the zeroconf thing?
[18:22] <pato> and it is not working in recent installations anymore? (16.04)
[18:39] <pato> forget it, it works, just that looks like it takes some time
[19:04] <kuSuSE> guys, what's happening here? https://i.imgur.com/Q7VLi1x.png https://i.imgur.com/PbTEpoD.png it says plasma shell needs 5GB+ RAM just for itself?
[19:05] <hippybear> Oracle is burning up CPU?
[19:08] <kuSuSE> oracle who?
[19:08] <hippybear> VM
[19:09] <kuSuSE> well, the only intensive thing I'm running is that vagrant up
[19:10] <kuSuSE> which does use virtualbox yes
[19:10] <kuSuSE> but why does ksysguard report it as plasmashell with 5GB+ RAM?
[19:10] <hippybear> also how large is your CPU that 5Gigs is only 1%
[19:11] <kuSuSE> CPU usage is 1% but memory usage is over 50%
[19:11] <kuSuSE> i only have 8GB ram
[19:12] <hippybear> kill the VM and see if it goes down
[19:13] <kuSuSE> well it is at 20% I might let it finish
[19:14] <hippybear> what is that vagrant app?
[19:15] <hippybear> it is possible the code is causing an issue?
[19:16] <user|28305> kubuntu  for usb flash drive live session
[19:17] <ozonic> oi
[19:17] <ozonic> Pessoal
[19:19] <kuSuSE> vagrant is a way to "deploy" virtualbox images
[19:19] <kuSuSE> but why would ksysguard report memory usage by a process vagrant as by plasma shell?
[19:22] <kuSuSE> hippybear: closed vagrant and virtualbox and now plasmashell dropped to 4GB+
[19:22] <hippybear> hm
[19:22] <hippybear> thats weird
[19:22] <hippybear> what does top tell you?
[19:22] <kuSuSE> is this normal?
[19:23] <hippybear> personally I am only using .1%
[19:23] <hippybear> of a 5G CPU
[19:24] <hippybear> I think its actually 6 but I have 5.8 free
[19:24] <kuSuSE> something like this    20   0 9999.2m 4.297g  31664 S  16.3 55.5  65:07.00 plasmashell
[19:24] <hippybear> dang
[19:25] <hippybear> thats intense
[19:25] <kuSuSE> iotop looks pretty calm
[19:26] <hippybear> are you running k in a windows vm?
[19:26] <kuSuSE> my hard disk might be dying and I blame Windows for it
[19:26] <kuSuSE> hippybear: no not anymore
[19:26] <hippybear> weird
[19:26] <hippybear> I dont have a clue bruh
[19:26] <hippybear> :(
[19:26] <kuSuSE> haha no worries
[19:27] <kuSuSE> I kind of wish I could somehow capture system details so it would help someone debug it
[19:27] <hippybear> yeah
[19:27] <kuSuSE> if not I'll just reboot and see if it goes away
[19:27] <hippybear> do it!
[19:28] <kuSuSE> just reboot now?
[19:28] <hippybear> sure
[19:28] <kuSuSE> ok later
[19:28] <hippybear> k
[21:12] <V7> Do you know how to change nvidia resolution to the correct one if there is no correct one
[21:23] <mert> hey
[21:23] <Guest55754> hey
[21:25] <leumas> Hi All, ust upgraded to Kubuntu 16.10 and my wifi sno longer working...can anyone help or has seen this issue?
[21:26] <leumas> LenovoThinkpad T420i
[21:36] <jubo2> Next 2nd hand machine I'm getting. It has 4GB in one bank so I gonna bump it 8GB to 12GB
[21:36] <jubo2> the chip and the chipset is couple years newer than my bust system
[21:37] <jubo2> 8GB is not enough
[21:37] <jubo2> 16GB is overkill unless you need it
[21:40] <jubo2> and this fine machine with a http://ark.intel.com/products/29759/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-T7100-2M-Cache-1_80-GHz-800-MHz-FSB from 2007 is gonna get a memory bump
[21:40] <jubo2> plus I'm potentially getting a working panel w/ installation for the X201
[21:41] <jubo2> Pile up all the machines with working CPU's http://maidsafe.net is coming
[21:41] <jubo2> I gonna several terabytes in Lithuania
[21:41] <jubo2> and maybe even few in Nederlands
[21:42] <jubo2> depends on how much disposable income I have when the Beta goes online
[21:42] <jubo2> Usually Beta is rubbish to be avoided (especially if commercial)
[21:43] <jubo2> but the SAFE Network has been in hard and professional R&D for 10 yrs now
[21:43] <jubo2> currently is TestNet 9
[21:43] <jubo2> Beta will be the first version that is persistent
[21:49] <Quantos> Hello to the room.  I'm running KUbuntu 16.04 and my USB headset doesn't work.  I used a program before to change the priorities of speaker and headset.  I can't remember what it was called though
[21:50] <Quantos> This is a fresh reinstall so I don't think it's a problem with the headset
[22:00] <Quantos> Got it fixed, thanks anyway guys
[22:28] <viewer|54484> is thre a command line way to upgrade from 16.04.1 to 16.1?
[22:29] <viewer|54484> like the same one that the ISO is on the download page?
[22:30] <viewer|54484> is thre a command line way to upgrade from 16.04.1 to 16.1?
[22:30] <viewer|54484> like the same one that the ISO is on the download page?
[22:30] <genii> viewer|54484: sudo apt update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ...to make sure 16.04 is up to date. then: sudo do-release-upgrade


[00:18] <adueppen> wxl: for the test out LXQt in xenial task, does "development version of lubuntu" mean the latest daily build?
[00:21] <wxl> adueppen: well, it means xenial. :)
[00:21] <wxl> adueppen: that can mean latest daily or earlier version, but it must be within the xenial milestone
[00:21] <w9qbj> Hangout problem:  OS=14.04LTS, I have 3 video camera, The 'gear' tool only shows one of my /dev/video* so I can't change it. What????
[00:21] <adueppen> wxl: yeah I know that, I was just wondering if it was the daily build or what. thanks for clarifying though
[00:22] <wxl> adueppen: np!
[00:22] <wxl> w9qbj: i haven't had a similar problem before (only one camera here), but you may want to check on the standard #ubuntu support channel to see what's up with that
[00:23] <adueppen> wxl: one more question, is it fine to use the alternate install image? the regular one doesn't seem to like being installed with virtualbox
[00:23] <wxl> adueppen: no problem. the end result is the same
[00:24] <wxl> s/is/should be/ XD
[00:24] <adueppen> wxl: OK just making sure
[01:01] <xcub> kenvandine, https://uappexplorer.com/app/blockbreak.xcub
[01:40] <adueppen> wxl: I found what appears to be a bug with the LXQt panel but launchpad says that "LXQt must be configured in order for Launchpad to forward bugs to the project's developers." where should I report it?
[01:41] <wxl> adueppen: strange. you should report that as a bug against the panel, too! just go on launchpad and do it manually.
[01:42] <wxl> adueppen: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-panel
[01:42] <adueppen> wxl: oh OK I was looking on the LXQt team page
[01:42] <adueppen> that was probably the issue
[01:42] <wxl> adueppen: yeah that's the thing. since it's now in the repos we can treat it like normal.
[01:43] <adueppen> wxl: OK I'll keep that in mind
[01:44] <adueppen> ...and the bug decides to stop happening the moment I go to report it. wxl: should I still report it even if it's no longer happening?
[01:44] <wxl> adueppen: well definitely report the bug about not being able to file a bug, but what's the bug you saw?
[01:47] <adueppen> wxl: the thing with not being able to file a bug was from reporting on https://bugs.launchpad.net/lxqt. the thing I saw was that the panel menus (volume mixer, removable media manager, system menu) were showing up on the top of the screen even though the panel was at the bottom
[01:47] <wxl> OH!
[01:47] <wxl> !bugs | adueppen
[01:47] <wxl> that will make your life easier, adueppen
[01:47] <adueppen> ok thanks wxl
[01:47] <wxl> adueppen: and that went away on reboot?
[01:47] <wxl> if so, i think there's already a similar bug filed
[01:48] <adueppen> no, but it did after I changed the screen resolution but it would probably do the same after a reboot
[01:48] <wxl> might want to double check that
[01:48] <wxl> anywho i need to jet
[01:48] <wxl> talk soon!
[01:49] <adueppen> OK
[02:05] <adueppen> wow found another bug already
[02:06] <adueppen> wxl: if you're back, would you have any idea which package powers the wallpaper in LXQt?
[02:07] <Girish> Please review: https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/5880796325871616/
[02:09] <adueppen> Girish: you might have to wait until popey is available since he's the mentor for that
[03:53] <archieb> Hey does anyone know how do get hold of Amjjawad or Octoquad?
[03:56] <adueppen> archieb: most likely the best method would be through email. you can find their email addresses on their pages on the ubuntu wiki. here are the links: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/octoquad and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad
[03:56] <archieb> Ok cool thanks :)
[04:19] <xcub> Hi DanChapman, I've claimed this task https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5853857871560704/?sp-page=1 and was wondering if it was already solved because the bug's status is triaged.
[04:55] <darkxst> archieb, what do you need, if its task related I can probably help
[04:56] <archieb> I just need them to accept a task
[04:56] <archieb> Been waiting over a day :/
[04:56] <darkxst> link?
[05:01] <darkxst> archieb, ^ what is the link?
[05:01] <archieb> https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/4903877946114048/?sp-page=1
[05:02]  * darkxst looks
[05:06] <darkxst> archieb, approved
[05:06] <archieb> Awesome, thanks :)
[05:07] <archieb> That combination of letters makes more sense :p
[05:08] <darkxst> it should! and no we didnt copy the shazam logo
[05:08] <archieb> Yeah, I figured it was just really bad luck/coincidence
[05:18] <darkxst> Girish, send me a link to the instance and I can look
[05:26] <jose> darkxst: ping, mind a quick PM?
[05:27] <darkxst> jose, sure
[07:05] <DanChapman> Hey xcub, that's awesome! No that bug isn't already solved, triaged basically means that I confirmed it and set it's priority status.  It would be "fix committed" & "fix released" if it was solved. :)
[07:32] <subins2000> Who is Samsruti ?
[07:33] <subins2000> is he/she here ?
[07:34] <flocculant> no - they aren't
[07:38] <subins2000> okay
[08:36] <Girish> DanChapman: darkxst: Please review. https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/5880796325871616/
[08:41] <DanChapman> GIrish, sorry I won't be able to until later today, not at my computer right now.
[08:43] <DanChapman> jose, Hey! would you be able to take a look at ^^ for Girish. popey is set as the mentor but he's taking holiday this week.
[08:43] <jose> most definitely! give me a couple minutes please.
[08:44] <DanChapman> Cheers jose :-)
[08:44] <subins2000> jose: Can you please review mine too https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/6261088442122240/?sp-page=1
[08:45] <jose> subins2000: give it some hours please. I would like the assigned mentors to review it
[08:45] <jose> not even 10 minutes since you submitted
[08:45] <subins2000> jose: Hehe ;)
[08:45] <jose> Girish: do you have the instance link for it?
[08:46] <jose> subins2000: I'll mark it as more work needed, though.
[08:46] <subins2000> Okay
[08:47] <subins2000> jose: I'm gonna add something more to the task, so mark it as more work needed
[08:47] <jose> already done
[08:48] <subins2000> jose: Thanks :-)
[08:48] <jose> no prob!
[08:51] <Girish> jose: https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/5880796325871616/ Thanks so much!
[08:51] <jose> Girish: that's the task link, do you have the task instance link? should have the words 'task-instance' on it
[08:51] <jose> oh nvm, found it here
[08:51] <Girish> https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/4993872342024192/?sp-page=1
[08:57] <jose> Girish: ok, reviewed and added some notes for you :)
[09:00] <Girish> jose: Okay I'll get to editing it. You will be available to review in an hour I suppose?
[09:01] <jose> Girish: it's 4am where I live, I will check it once I wake up
[09:03] <darkxst> Girish, i should be around then
[09:15] <Girish> jose: darkxst: It's ready. Uploading to Youtube.
[09:15] <jose> ok, darkxst can take care of it :P I'm going to bed now. laters everyone!
[09:15] <Girish> Good night!
[09:16] <darkxst> night jose
[09:17] <darkxst> Girish ping me when its published and I will review
[09:47] <Girish> lolwut? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
[09:54] <darkxst> Girish, the bug that started it all!
[09:55] <dkessel> If any of you would like to fix that one... ;)
[10:42] <AndreeaZaharia> Hello! I have built dialer-app, yet when I type ./src/dialer-app it says that Ubuntu.components 1.3 is missing and it opens a blank window. I have tried installing a few packages, but qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-telephony-phonenumber0.1 cannot be installed. I have Ubuntu 14.04, do I have to get 15.10?
[12:20] <Rob1507> Hello! Can anyone review my task today? :)
[12:21] <tsimonq2> Rob1507: Hi, can you link me to the task?
[12:21] <Rob1507> tsimonq2, https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5930718593024000/?sp-page=1
[12:27] <tsimonq2> Rob1507: wait for balloons to be on IRC and ping him
[12:27] <Rob1507> ok, thanks
[12:27] <tsimonq2> Rob1507: or just in general, be patient :)
[12:28] <Rob1507> 2 days :)
[12:31] <tsimonq2> Rob1507: oh is that how long you have been waiting?
[12:32] <Rob1507> tsimonq2, I submitted and balloons checked and commented, and since that 2 days I am waiting for him to ask a question and then submit taks again.
[12:35] <tsimonq2> Rob1507: well say something on the task page again
[12:35] <tsimonq2> Rob1507: it might et his attention :)
[12:35] <tsimonq2> *get
[12:35] <Rob1507> tsimonq2, I commented yesterday :)
[12:37] <Rob1507> tsimonq2, If I am correct the difference between my time zone and his is 9 hours, so work is harder :)
[12:38] <tsimonq2> Rob1507: he has the Eastern Time Zone, so I think
[12:38] <tsimonq2> yeah he probably will be on within the next few hours
[12:39] <tsimonq2> can you stick around, or do you just want to leave him a Memoserv?
[12:41] <Rob1507> I have to go, i can stay for just 15 minutes or 20. I don't know how to leave a Memoserv. Can you help?
[12:42] <tsimonq2>  /msg memoserv send balloons MESSAGE
[12:42] <tsimonq2> Rob1507: ^
[12:44] <Rob1507> tsimonq2, I have to just write my message instead of MESSAGE without any sign and so?
[12:44] <tsimonq2> yes :)
[12:44] <Rob1507> Ok, thanks a lot :)
[12:44] <tsimonq2> Rob1507: np! If you need any more help, let me know. :)
[12:44] <Rob1507> tsimonq2, ok :)
[12:48] <Rob1507> tsimonq2, MemoServ requires logging in what to do?
[13:06] <flocculant> Rob1507: I think you have to be registered at freenode rather than just joining a webclient
[13:06] <flocculant> https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[13:12] <knome> or you can send email to him :)
[13:13] <flocculant> ofc - I'd ignore those if I was on holiday too ;)
[13:14] <knome> ;)=
[13:15] <flocculant> Rob1507: why are you pinging balloons for that task when elopio is the mentor?
[13:15] <flocculant> tsimonq2: only mentors receive mail from the task - balloons isn't, he just commented on it
[13:26] <samsruti> all are having a packedd holiday schedule :P
[14:48] <subins2000> jose: Hey
[14:48] <subins2000> samsruti: Hey, I have completed the task : https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/6261088442122240/?sp-page=1
[14:49] <subins2000> jose: What do u think of this wallpaper : https://www.flickr.com/photos/71601986@N08/23631439300/in/pool-ubuntu-fcs-1604/
[14:49] <samsruti> i saw that
[14:49] <samsruti> but i am having a poor internet connection now
[14:49] <subins2000> Where do u live ?
[14:49] <samsruti> so i cant review at this moment
[14:49] <samsruti> India
[14:49] <subins2000> I get it. I had a 16 Kb/s connection
[14:50] <samsruti> :P
[14:50] <subins2000> BSNL ?
[14:50] <samsruti> but right now i m in home so very poor connection
[14:50] <samsruti> yeah
[14:50] <samsruti> mobile data
[14:51] <subins2000> okay
[15:09] <Gilly15> Do I also have to show how to install Ubuntu along other operating systems ?
[15:50] <adueppen> wxl: could you review https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5729836421087232/ now?
[16:56] <MatthewAllen2> ahayzen, is changing to proper markdown formatting all that I need to fix? Or is there something else after that that needs fixing aswell?
[16:57] <ahayzen> MatthewAllen2, that's the major change for now, ideally I would want a file manager developer to go through it as well, as i'm not familiar as to how their build system works
[16:57] <MatthewAllen2> ahayzen, ok awesome - thankyou!
[16:58] <ahayzen> MatthewAllen2, i'll do a second pass once you have converted it :-) If you look at the comments/code diff in the weather MP that should guide you in the right direction
[16:59] <subins2000> jose: U there ?
[17:00] <subins2000> Can anyone please review https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/6261088442122240/?sp-page=1
[17:05] <MatthewAllen2> ahayzen, resubmitted with the Markdown and Links fixed :)
[17:09] <ahayzen> MatthewAllen2, awesome, if you look at the weather MP https://code.launchpad.net/~emailgirishrawat/ubuntu-weather-app/markdown-readmes/+merge/280787 they renamed the files to .rd as well and some had subtly different names (use "bzr mv oldname newname" to rename)
[17:09] <MatthewAllen2> ahayzen, do you not mean .md? as that is the markdown extension?
[17:10] <ahayzen> that's it!
[17:10] <ahayzen> MatthewAllen2, sorry typo ;-)
[17:10] <MatthewAllen2> ahayzen, just making sure before I remerge with the wrong extension :D
[17:10] <ahayzen> hehe
[17:12] <MatthewAllen2> ahayzen, just wondering for future reference - is there any advantage to using "bzr mv" over changing it in the file manager and readding it in bzr?
[17:13] <ahayzen> MatthewAllen2, if you rename and delete/readd in the file manager, you get a diff for the removal and the addition
[17:13] <MatthewAllen2> ahayzen, ahh ok
[17:13] <ahayzen> MatthewAllen2, whereas mv tells bzr its a move so the diff just says "file renamed"
[17:14] <MatthewAllen2> ahayzen, https://code.launchpad.net/~whosdaz/ubuntu-filemanager-app/gci6198315054006272/+merge/281319
[17:15] <ahayzen> MatthewAllen2, \o/ cool thanks, we should probably wait for a file manager dev, or someone who usually works on it to look at it before approval though
[17:15] <MatthewAllen2> ahayzen, is it possible for you to accept it through Google Codein and you message me if I need to change anything? So I can start on another task.
[17:16] <ahayzen> MatthewAllen2, hmmm, probably let me double check it looks good and then i'll approve from my point of view and any additions can be done after :-)
[17:16] <MatthewAllen2> ahayzen, awesome - thankyou very much :)
[17:22] <stety> Hi, can you please advise me where I can find code responsible for processing of keyboard shortcuts in unity?
[17:29] <ahayzen> MatthewAllen2, got 3 minor inline comments, have a look at the mp :-)
[17:29] <MatthewAllen2> ahayzen, will do
[17:31] <MatthewAllen2> ahayzen, from what I can tell the length doesn't matter beyond a point (something like 6 equals) - will change anyway though
[17:32] <ahayzen> MatthewAllen2, OK :-) i'm not too familiar with the format so you maybe correct, its just what other people seemed to be doing :-)
[17:32] <MatthewAllen2> ahayzen, seems to be for aesthetics - don't blame them though, looks out of place if they're not the same length
[17:33] <ahayzen> yeah definitely looks better if they are the same length :-)
[17:33] <MatthewAllen2> ahayzen, if you want to check what it shows as when it renders as markdown this websites really good - dillinger.io
[17:33] <ahayzen> ah cool thanks :-)
[17:35] <MatthewAllen2> ahayzen, https://code.launchpad.net/~whosdaz/ubuntu-filemanager-app/gci6198315054006272/+merge/281324
[17:35] <ahayzen> MatthewAllen2, thanks \o/
[17:52] <MatthewAllen2> ahayzen, is the "Fix the README's for calculator" meant to be removed? I just downloaded the source and it appears to be fixed and updated to markdown
[17:53] <ahayzen> MatthewAllen2, hmm, maybe some have already been done
[17:53] <flocculant> MatthewAllen2: do you need me to do anything with that task I added days to?
[17:54] <MatthewAllen2> flocculant, not sure what task you're talking about - if it was one I was completing, I've finished it now - so no
[17:54] <flocculant> aah cool - didn't know Nick had approved it \o/ thanks again :)
[17:54] <MatthewAllen2> welcome, thanks for the help :)
[17:57] <flocculant> :)
[18:20] <subins2000> Hey, there has been a misunderstanding with my task. Can anyone please look at it and reassign it back to me : https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/6261088442122240/?sp-page=1
[18:24] <MatthewAllen2> ahayzen, you approved my task on launchpad but not codein - can you do that for me so I can grab my next task?
[18:31] <subins2000> flocculant: Can you assign a task to me. It was unassigned from me due to a misunderstanding
[18:32] <DanChapman> subins2000, AFAIK only jose, balloons & popey can assign tasks to student.
[18:33] <subins2000> jose: U there ?
[18:33] <subins2000> DanChapman: I created two images which I think are a fit for Ubuntu wallpapers. But, that hard work is gone because balloons thought that it was copyrighted work
[18:35] <DanChapman> subins2000, I see you have left comments for him in the task instance. I would just wait for a response from him. Maybe pick up another task in the meantime? :-)
[18:35] <subins2000> Okay
[18:53] <flocculant> I'd agree with DanChapman
[19:02] <subins2000> flocculant: I'm doing another task now
[19:50] <ahayzen> Girish, can you make sure you claim the tasks on google code-in as it looks like MatthewAllen2 has just duplicated your work :-/
[19:57] <flocculant> oops
[20:06] <Girish> ahayzen: I did all the READMEs when I was waiting for my video task to get appproved. So couldnt claim them. I'm claiming them now.
[20:06] <ahayzen> ah
[20:08] <flocculant> that's rather unfair - obviously not meant
[20:11] <ahayzen> yeah :-/ tricky situation
[20:14] <Girish> Mathew, I'm sorry. I didnt mean to grab anyone's oppurtunity away. The video task was taking a long time to get reviewed. I grew restless I guess. I really didn't know this would happen.
[20:15] <Girish> All readmes except Shorts. I didn't do Shorts because my video task got reviewed by then.
[21:08] <tsimonq2> flocculant: whoops sorry
[21:16] <flocculant> tsimonq2: no problem - without looking you'd not know :)
[21:28] <Girish> ahayzen: I'll start claiming the tasks now.
[21:28] <Girish> https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5241689706856448/?sp-page=1
[21:31] <ahayzen> Girish, approved
[21:35] <tsimonq2> ahayzen: are you a mentor?
[21:36] <ahayzen> tsimonq2, for certain coreappy tasks :-)
[21:36] <ahayzen> tsimonq2, so yes i am a mentor :-)
[21:36] <tsimonq2> ahayzen: you should get voiced like I am so I can tell you apart from the others :)
[21:37] <ahayzen> tsimonq2, ah :-) how does one do that? I was added late
[21:38] <tsimonq2> jose: hey, would it be too much trouble to voice ahayzen as he is a mentor? Thanks! :)
[21:38] <tsimonq2> ahayzen: that's how you do it :)
[21:38] <ahayzen> :-)
[21:39] <ahayzen> thanks
[21:39] <tsimonq2> np
[22:43] <ahayzen> ooo i'm being voiced, thanks jose :-)
[22:55] <tsimonq2> ahayzen: yay :)


[02:50] <Unit193> ...And I just pinged myself
[03:05] <rww> !pastebinit
[03:05] <rww> Unit193: does pastebinit default to paste.ubuntu.com now?
[03:06] <Unit193> rww: It does for me/in Natty
[03:08] <Unit193> Checked it on a few computers (But they are all natty)
[03:09] <Unit193> I try not to pickup on the little changes
[03:10] <rww> LP #648298
[03:10] <m4v> pastebinti manpage says it defaults to http://pastebin.com
[03:10] <m4v> even on natty
[03:11] <rww> if I'm reading dates right, it should be fixed on >= natty
[03:12] <Unit193> Well, I don't have any config to override it and it's defaulting to paste.ubuntu.com
[03:12] <rww> and <= maverick still use pastebin.com
[03:12] <rww> well, "fixed"
[03:13] <rww> I'd rather just leave the factoid like it is, worst case people type in a few extra characters and it means we don't end up using some random pastebin site for pre-natty folks
[03:13] <Unit193> Alright, sorry then. Side note: Manpage is wrong :P
[03:13] <rww> LP #755997
[03:15] <Unit193> Heh, just checking LP for that. I'll be hiding now
[20:46] <Fuchs> just as a sidenote: the jargon guy spamming in #ubuntu was exactly quited on freenodes social channel for this, and is well known for this
[20:46] <Fuchs> ah, rww is here, he knows him
[20:47] <rww> *nod*
[20:47] <rww> surprised, I imagined we'd banned him from #ubuntu already
[20:47] <Pici> Was being rather weird in #freenode earlier too.
[20:49]  * Fuchs hicuddles teh rww and goes back to snoozemode
[20:49] <rww> ^.^


[07:11] <penghuan> hi, i'm running unity8-desktop-session-mir on ubuntu 14.10, where can i get the log for unity8?
[08:19] <Saviq> penghuan, ~/.cache/upstart/unity8.log
[08:20] <liuxg> does anyone know why I got "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::length_error'" when i try to a http request using "request->execute(
[08:20] <liuxg>                     bind(&Client::progress_report, this, placeholders::_1))"??
[08:20] <liuxg> I am actually following the SDK scope template. In the past, the same code did not have the problem.
[08:21] <liuxg> my code is at bzr branch lp:~liu-xiao-guo/debiantrial/chinaweatherbad
[08:22] <penghuan> Saviq, thanks!
[09:46] <seb128> bah, unity-dash segfault on current rtm
[10:56] <Saviq> seb128, got .crash?
[12:36] <seb128> Saviq, yeah, got that
[12:36] <seb128> it worked for once!
[12:37] <seb128>     msg=0xb3ff902c "UbuntuClientIntegration: connection to Mir server failed. Check that a Mir server is\nrunning, and the correct socket is being used and is accessible. The shell may have\nrejected the incoming connectio"...)
[12:38] <seb128> that happened after click "back" on the nearby lens, which was taking time to exit, while it was not done yet poping from that one I right edge swiped
[12:42] <seb128> not easily triggerable using those steps though
[12:51] <Saviq> seb128, iiinteresting, wonder what that message actually means (could it time out, too)
[12:51] <Saviq> ugh
[13:39] <mzanetti> does screen backlight control still work for you guys in vivid?
[13:39] <mzanetti> desktop, that is
[13:40] <mzanetti> both, screen and kbd backlight control are gone for me
[13:46] <mterry> mzanetti, doesn't work as well no
[13:46] <mterry> mzanetti, no notifications but I think I notice some dimming happening
[13:47] <mzanetti> no dimming here
[13:47] <mzanetti> makes me blind at night
[13:47] <mterry> mzanetti, oh btw, so what's my best solution to the tag nonsense from yesterday?  Fix the script?
[13:47] <mzanetti> and no keyboard backlight. given I'm already blinded by the scree I then fail to find keys :D
[13:47] <mzanetti> mterry: yeah, fixing the script would be way to go I guess
[13:48] <mterry> mzanetti, Saviq: and we ultimately want to drop any tag with a question mark (any bad tag)?
[13:48] <Saviq> mterry, yeah, if possible
[13:49] <mzanetti> mterry: hmm... not necessarily... there are situations where valid tags have question marks
[13:49] <mzanetti> although not sure if one runs the script in those situations
[14:13] <mterry> Saviq, mzanetti: OK, how about http://paste.ubuntu.com/8987706/ ?  It deletes any bad tag, and avoids the hardcoded list
[14:14] <Saviq> mterry, sounds like something I wanted to do soon, too ;)
[14:14] <mzanetti> looks reasonable
[14:15] <Saviq> mterry, it looks much slower though?
[14:18] <mterry> Saviq, it's slower yes, but takes a second or two on my machine if doing nothing
[14:18] <Saviq> mterry, I mean on remote branches
[14:18] <mterry> Saviq, oh goodness I bet that is slower
[14:18] <Saviq> mterry, it took like 15s to do it on lp:unity8
[14:18] <mterry> Saviq, I tend to run locally
[14:18] <Saviq> mterry, but that doesn't help
[14:18] <Saviq> mterry, once you pushed
[14:18] <Saviq> mterry, you can't push a tag deletion
[14:18] <Saviq> mterry, you need to delete it remotely
[14:18] <mterry> Saviq, well ok this is slower then.  But it seems to be doing the minimum necessary...
[14:18] <mterry> At least I don't know enough about bzrlib to know a more optimal way
[14:18] <Saviq> mterry, yeah, I wonder if you can do something to cache it or something...
[14:21] <Saviq> mterry, if you care, try and see what you can improve on the script, I'll try later as well
[14:21] <mterry> Saviq, or maybe just use this logic to expand the hardcoded list
[14:22] <mterry> "caching the hard way"
[14:22] <Saviq> mterry, it's a per-branch thing, not sure what can we do there, your approach seems the most flexible and future-proof, I just wonder if it can be made quicker
[14:22] <Saviq> especially as I like to run it on all the MP'd branches from time to time
[14:22] <mterry> Saviq, do we know a bzrlib expert?
[14:23] <Saviq> mterry, wgrant comes to mind
[14:23] <Saviq> at least he could point to someone else hopefully
[14:23] <mterry> yar
[14:24] <mterry> Saviq, asked in #ubuntu-devel
[14:25] <Saviq> tx
[14:29] <greyback_> Mirv: what are "qtbase-abi-5-3-0" and "qtdeclarative-abi-5-3-0" ?
[14:34] <dandrader> dednick, ping
[14:34] <dednick> dandrader: hey
[14:34] <Mirv> greyback_: they are imaginary packages provided by libqt5core5a 5.3.0 and libqt5qml5 5.3.0 that get added as dependencies to a package automatically if the package uses private headers/symbols from anywhere qtbase/qtdeclarative. thus they reforce rebuilding all such packages (as included in my Qt landings) when Qt version is updated
[14:35] <Mirv> greyback_: so the vivid's Qt 5.3.2 packages provide qtbase-abi-5-3-2 and qtdeclarative-abi-5-3-2 accordingly
[14:36] <Mirv> optimally as little packages as humanly possible depends on them / uses private headers
[14:36] <Mirv> so I hope eg. webbrowser-app will get rid of those
[14:37] <greyback_> Mirv: I'm not sure what imaginary packages are - there are no such packages in the repo though
[14:37] <dandrader> dednick, that fixed it http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/shellRotation/revision/1445
[14:37] <dandrader> dednick, do you see any potential problems with it
[14:37] <dandrader> dednick, it's the same approach used for the Launcher
[14:37] <greyback_> Mirv: my problem is we've a PPA (unity-team/demo-stuff) and installing anything we built recently fails like "qtubuntu-android : Depends: qtbase-abi-5-3-0 but it is not installable"
[14:38] <Saviq> greyback_, rebuild it
[14:38] <greyback_> Mirv: what do you suggest we try?
[14:38] <greyback_> dandrader: ^ you heard the man
[14:38] <Saviq> greyback_, you need to rebuild against -5-3-2 that got released into vivid now
[14:38] <dednick> dandrader: yeah, i had in one of my initial branches. dont think there were any troubles. as long as it doesnt break anything else, i dont see any prob.
[14:39] <greyback_> Saviq: "apt-cache search qtbase" doesn't list it though
[14:39] <Saviq> greyback_, because it's virtual
[14:39] <greyback_> is that because it's imaginary?
[14:39] <Saviq> greyback_, yes
[14:39] <greyback_> ok
[14:40] <dandrader> greyback_, ok, I will trigger a rebuild of all the stuff in the PPA then...
[14:40] <Saviq> ⟫ apt-cache show libqt5core5a | grep -i Provides
[14:40] <Saviq> Provides: qtbase-abi-5-3-2
[14:40] <Saviq> greyback_, ↑
[14:41] <greyback_> Saviq: yep
[14:41] <greyback_> just not obvious to me
[14:42] <Saviq> greyback_, that's because when we link to private bits, we need more than just "version 5" as there's no ABI guarantees
[14:43] <greyback_> Saviq: sure, I understand why. I just find it hard to detect when packages are virtual
[14:43] <Saviq> greyback_, and well, yeah, `apt-cache search qtbase-abi-5-3-2` will return the correct package
[14:43] <Saviq> greyback_, you were just searching for one that wasn't there any more
[14:43] <greyback_> huh
[14:44] <Saviq> greyback_, -5-3-0 vs. -5-3-2
[14:44] <greyback_> no I see that. But I didn't notice that "apt-cache search qtbase" actually returned libqtcore5a
[14:44] <greyback_> so my bad
[14:44] <Saviq> now you know :)
[14:45] <Mirv> greyback_: that's why they are imaginary :) ie. they are "packages" that are "Provides:" from the real packages
[14:45] <Mirv> greyback_: you need to rebuild qtubuntu
[14:46] <Mirv> greyback_: if it's vivid and it was built before Qt 5.3.2 landed finally yesterday to release pocket
[14:46] <greyback_> Mirv: yep all clear now. Rebuild being done
[14:46] <Mirv> I see, Saviq explained it
[14:47] <Saviq> Mirv, btw, where do those come from when building? is it some hook to dh_shlibs?
[14:47] <Saviq> or in .symbols in fact?
[14:48] <Saviq> couldn't this be solved via .symbols?
[14:49] <Mirv> Saviq: it's black magic. yes, dh_shlibdeps/dpkg-shlibdeps using /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.symbols
[14:49] <Mirv> Saviq: so this is defined in the symbols of qtbase + qtdeclarative - private symbols are marked as such, and they give the dependency
[14:50] <Mirv> it gets even more complicated with rsalveti's true black magic of the gles twin packages on x86. I manage to mess it up a bit every time despite practice.
[14:52] <Mirv> so certain GLES symbols are specially marked as depending on normal libs on non-x86, and the twin packages instead on x86
[14:53] <Mirv> hurray whenever Qt gets runtime switching between GL and GLES
[14:54] <Saviq> indeed :)
[15:07] <mzanetti> mterry: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/we-are-at-least-beta/+merge/241615/comments/594728
[15:08] <Saviq> mzanetti, that doesn't matter
[15:08] <mterry> mzanetti, haha..  hrm
[15:08] <mzanetti> Saviq: yeah, I know... but we should not use the script on trunk if that's what it does now
[15:08] <mterry> mzanetti, you said you didn't want tags!  :)
[15:08] <mzanetti> :D
[15:09] <mterry> mzanetti, let me test latest version of script
[15:09] <Saviq> mterry, already ran it on trunk ;)
[15:09] <Saviq> and is fine
[15:10] <mzanetti> hmm ok :)
[15:10] <mterry> mzanetti, OK I think I updated tags on that branch correctly, using a merge from trunk
[15:10] <mterry> mzanetti, I was using that branch as a guinea pig.  I could imagine one of my interim scripts borked it
[15:10] <mzanetti> mterry: no worries... I just wanted to raise it, in case the script really destroys it
[15:10] <mzanetti> ok
[15:13] <mzanetti> mterry: approved
[15:14] <mterry> mzanetti, w00t!  we're out of alpha!  :)
[15:15] <mzanetti> mterry: after all we're 8.01 already
[15:15] <mzanetti> first bugfix release after stable :D
[15:15] <mzanetti> which I guess is true for the phone
[16:46]  * vila_ is vila from a laptop setup for testing
[16:46] <vila_> swift list --debug hangs
[16:47] <vila_> meh, damn xchat, wrong channel, sorry for the noise >-}
[16:48] <Saviq> lp:~mzanetti/unity8/performanceoverlay: would delete 7.85+14.10.20140428.2-0ubuntu1
[16:48] <Saviq> lp:~mterry/unity8/greeter-profiles: would delete 0.1.16
[16:49] <mterry> fixed
[16:49] <mzanetti> the new script?
[16:49] <mzanetti> or something I should fix in the branch?
[16:50] <mterry> mzanetti, I think just tags that the new script caught
[16:53] <Saviq> mzanetti, I'm just uploading the new script
[16:54] <Saviq> mzanetti, http://people.canonical.com/~msawicz/unity8/strip-tags.py
[16:54] <mzanetti> Saviq: so I should delete that tag?
[16:54] <Saviq> mzanetti, it's an invalid tag on your branch, so yeah
[16:55] <mzanetti> I wonder how that came in though, it's not something we got from uity7
[16:55] <Saviq> om26er, can you please run ↑ on lp:~om26er/unity8/show_password_on_label_tap, and any local unity8 checkouts you have (just pass the different branches as arguments)
[16:56] <mzanetti> done
[16:56] <Saviq> om26er, note you need to run the script on them all, pushing won't help to delete tags
[17:01] <Saviq> @unity ↑ new strip-tags.py script, one that works for any branch (not unity8-specific any more, thanks mterry!)
[17:02] <Cimi> Saviq, what you mean not unity8 specific?
[17:02] <Saviq> Cimi, you can use it for any random branch to clean invalid tags from it
[17:03] <Cimi> Saviq, how do we know when tags are valid/not?
[17:03] <Saviq> Cimi, the invalid ones don't relate to a revision
[17:04] <Cimi> Saviq, moving this to CI?
[17:04] <Saviq> Cimi, not a good place for it, no
[17:04] <Saviq> we've had this discussion and have some ideas
[17:05] <Cimi> yeah, doing it manually for every single branch is not ideal too...
[17:05] <Cimi> Saviq, maybe just having CI checking for tags
[17:05] <Saviq> Cimi, that's the thing, you don't need to do it manually, we should be able to not do it at all once all of us get cleaned up
[17:05] <Cimi> it does not have to remove them, just complain
[17:05] <Saviq> Cimi, basically, don't worry, I'll tell you
[17:05] <Cimi> i like that :P
[21:35] <josharenson> so since gdm doesn't work in 15.04, and lightdm has never worked for me, does anyone have any ideas? My login screen is just black now...
[22:17] <zbenjamin> josharenson: kdm?
[22:17]  * zbenjamin runs
[22:21] <zbenjamin> josharenson: there is also XDM, Slim,lxdm
[22:21] <zbenjamin> josharenson: ssdm also sounds interesting, its using Qt/QML
[22:22] <josharenson> zbenjamin, ill try another dm
[22:32] <zbenjamin> josharenson: you sure that this is not a xserver config/driver problem
[22:34] <josharenson> I can get a desktop to show if I run startx (Xorg was already running), however unity doesn't start when I do this
[22:35] <zbenjamin> meh :/


[08:04] <redtape-renegade> Happy Women Day !! http://uk.news.yahoo.com/on-this-day-first-international-womens-day-united-nations-pathe-155237499.html
[08:42] <popey> Morning
[08:43] <jacobw> Ahoy popey
[09:00] <brobostigon> [A
[09:00] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:02] <popey> yes
[09:03] <brobostigon> morning his popey-ness
[09:05] <wintellect> popey: as the pope is going to be re-elected, perhaps we should re-elect a "popey" too :P
[09:12]  * AlanBell looks for a puff of aubergine smoke
[09:14] <popey> hah
[09:33] <diplo> Morning all
[09:34] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, everyone! :-D
[09:36] <redtape-renegade> wintellect: We all know popey is too important for pope. Instead .. Sky will elected the spiritual leader of Italy.
[09:36] <SuperMatt> take bets now: how many community flounce-off blog posts will there be today?
[09:37] <redtape-renegade> What's a "flounce-off" ?
[09:38] <SuperMatt> people saying they don't want to be a member of the community any more
[09:38] <Laney> there was a calming the flames post on -devel
[09:38] <redtape-renegade> oh OK .. but you get free stickers ?
[09:39] <Laney> and I think sabdfl was trying to do that a bit with his blog post too
[09:48] <AlanBell> flouncing is better than raging
[09:50] <AlanBell> and it looks like 13.04 will actually be released which is good
[09:50] <directhex> sadly i think i'm going to have to dump ubuntu as the base for company linux installs
[09:50] <directhex> but i renewed my ability to upload mono things to the archive.
[09:50] <directhex> in both cases because i still care about my users
[09:56] <wintellect> redtape-renegade: lol
[09:58] <Laney> directhex: because you're shipping non-LTS releases?
[09:59] <directhex> Laney, i am not. but as a company we do a lot of development on core linux desktop technologies, and i don't know how much dogfooding will even be possible by 14.04
[10:03] <Laney> I suppose it depends what you want to work on; most of the plumbing is remaining the same
[10:03] <Laney> but perhaps another distro (or a flavour) would be more interesting for, say, X work
[10:03] <Laney> not that I know how that's going to pan out
[10:06] <directhex> well, let's take mir as the example. we pay people to work on wayland, so...
[10:08] <Laney> I expect it will continue to be possible to run them (perhaps not Unity though), but it won't be the path of least resistance
[10:10] <directhex> there are already instances with 12.04 where you need to do painful things to not unity all the things
[10:11] <Laney> dbus, telepathy, gstreamer, whatever else though - absolutely
[10:12] <Laney> even parts of systemd(!)
[10:13] <directhex> random example: the default window manager is defined in the lightdm config file (i.e. lightdm hardcodes unity as default), and if unity isn't installed, the fallback is "drop back to lightdm after logging in". so you need to squash lightdm's config file from elsewhere to use a different DE when doing an unattended install
[10:14]  * AlanBell would like to know how to get dbusmenu working when the desktop is not set to unity
[10:15] <AlanBell> so that the HUD libraries work
[10:15] <directhex> i don't think it's a priority
[10:16] <directhex> i.e. any time i encounter an issue with something where "use unity" would be a fix, i don't even bother reporting a bug, because there's a reasonable chance that's by design
[10:16] <bigcalm> Peek-a-boo
[10:22] <bigcalm> popey: 4 pole -> 2x3 pole jack converter arrived and works perfectly :)
[10:30] <bigcalm> I just updated linux-sound-base and alsa-base on one of my servers. Why does the server even have these packages?
[10:31] <shauno> I'm still on 10.04, where the answer is "it doesn't"
[10:34] <popey> yay
[10:35] <shauno> I wish I knew a tidier way to map dependencies, but I'd be tempted to do apt-get --simulate remove linux-sound-base and inspect the fallout
[10:37] <kvarley> bigcalm: You can ask that about a lot of packages in Ubuntu. So much clutter
[10:39] <popey> bigcalm: i worked somewhere where the linux server was also playing music out to the phone system to do the music-on-hold
[10:40] <AlanBell> you can also install ubuntu using headphones and a usb keyboard in the front of a server
[10:43] <directhex> directhex@barnabas:~/CA/collabora$ dpkg -l \*clutter\* | grep -c ^ii
[10:43] <directhex> 4
[10:43] <directhex> not that much clutter,
[10:43]  * directhex flees
[10:44] <bigcalm> heh
[10:44] <bigcalm> popey: I can see a use for it, just rather surprised to see it there by default
[10:45] <davmor2> morning all
[10:45] <popey> rage-meter for Community: [||||||||||||||]   HULKIN'
[10:45] <bigcalm> Hehe
[10:45] <davmor2> bigcalm: what did I miss
[10:45] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[10:45] <kvarley> How can I make all future files and folders within /srv/ belong to the group http ?
[10:46] <bigcalm> davmor2: there was 4 of us. Still the usual banter, though a lot less smutty or sweary
[10:46] <bigcalm> kvarley: acl
[10:46] <bigcalm> I think
[10:46] <kvarley> bigcalm: Ok ty
[10:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> kvarley: sticky bits
[10:46] <bigcalm> I could be wrong
[10:46] <davmor2> popey: you and I both know how to calm the community, you grab the camera I'll grab the cat toy then we just need the right image of sky
[10:47] <bigcalm> o.O
[10:47] <shauno> just tried a 12.04 VM I have, it's not there either.  so I'm not sure it is actually a default
[10:47] <bigcalm> Oh, Sky not sky. Was a little confused
[10:47] <bigcalm> shauno: fair enough :) Wonder what thought to install them
[10:47] <davmor2> bigcalm: I figured the cat toy was the give away ;)
[10:48] <bigcalm> davmor2: I thought you were suggesting that popey photograph you playing with a cat toy
[10:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: no
[10:49] <davmor2> bigcalm: you can join in too now you have a cat that you don't own, oh and a dog you don't own ;)
[10:49] <bigcalm> The dog doesn't live with us
[10:49] <bigcalm> Though I bet Hayley wishes that she did
[10:50] <shauno> bigcalm: found what I was looking for :)  apt-cache showpkg alsa-base; the 'reverse depends' lines will show you what packages require it.  (and it appears any package that's mentioned with a version number, is installeD)
[10:51] <bigcalm> shauno: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5595629/
[10:51]  * bigcalm looks
[10:53] <shauno> hm, that is odd.  but it's definately marked as optional, and not attached to the server task
[10:53] <bigcalm> Huh, I don't recall installing any of those reverse dependencies
[10:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: 4 of you, you say adam wasn't one of them if it wasn't smutty and didn't contain swearing then :)
[10:53] <shauno> I may be wrong about the version numbers bit, I picked a bad example to try with
[10:54] <bigcalm> davmor2: exactly as the mailing list states: Ron, me, Alex and Andy
[10:54] <bigcalm> davmor2: so quite highbrow conversation...
[11:02] <bigcalm> Pressing the super key now brings up the dash below all other windows. Not too helpful that
[11:03] <bigcalm> Oh, clicking the ubuntu icon does the same as well
[11:03] <neuro> hmmm
[11:04] <neuro> someone needs to ping d0od
[11:04] <neuro> omgubuntu dns looks b0rked
[11:04] <SuperMatt> about what?
[11:04] <SuperMatt> in what way?
[11:04] <neuro> neuro@challenger:~$ host www.omgubuntu.co.uk
[11:04] <neuro> www.omgubuntu.co.uk is an alias for origin.omgubuntu.co.uk.
[11:04] <neuro> origin.omgubuntu.co.uk has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:04] <neuro> Host origin.omgubuntu.co.uk not found: 2(SERVFAIL)
[11:04] <neuro> Host origin.omgubuntu.co.uk not found: 2(SERVFAIL)
[11:05] <AlanBell> it is just you neuro ;)
[11:05] <SuperMatt> yarr
[11:05] <SuperMatt> everything is fine here
[11:05] <SuperMatt> even on google dns it's fine
[11:06] <neuro> then your browser has managed to use the usable dns entry
[11:06] <neuro> there are two others that say "b0rked"
[11:06] <neuro> and if your browser caches that one ...
[11:06] <neuro> and that *was* a google dns look up
[11:06] <SuperMatt> I just did `dig www.omgubuntu.co.uk @<IP_ADDRESS>` and everything came back ok
[11:07] <SuperMatt> lemme watch it until the TTL runs out
[11:07] <neuro> same on opendns
[11:07] <neuro> same on norton dns (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[11:08] <neuro> same on level3 (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[11:08] <bigcalm> Odd that the website works though
[11:08] <neuro> so chrome here has picked it up now
[11:08] <neuro> but for a couple of minutes, every refresh failed
[11:11] <neuro> pff, dns, pfff
[11:11] <neuro> apparently today is International Women's Day
[11:11] <neuro> according to google
[11:11] <neuro> Party on, International Women!
[11:12] <neuro> local women, carry on.
[11:13] <neuro> SuperMatt: maybe it's a cloudflare thing, i dunno
[11:17] <SuperMatt> could be
[11:17] <SuperMatt> I don't think d0od has much control over the dns
[11:17] <SuperMatt> might be one of his lackeys
[12:35] <redtape-renegade> Damn .. bought a Shuttle PC off ebay .. realoized after it arrived that it's a dud and doesn't work . that's a fortnight to get back the £150 back into my bank a/c . Oh well, seller accepts responsibility and will refund..
[12:36] <dwatkins_> I considered buying a PC on ebay, but I wouldn't want to have it shipped in case the CPU heatsink came loose
[12:41] <redtape-renegade> Very true dwatkins , but Shuttle PC's are spring loaded .. so there's no chance of that . I'm still at a loss as to why it is a dud, but hey, a full refund only leaves me £15 short.
[12:42] <dwatkins> I started looking in to getting a 2nd hand PC off ebay, then realised about the heatsink thing, then one of my friends was selling a quad-core machine
[12:43] <redtape-renegade> Yeah, this was an i3 ..
[12:43] <dwatkins> my quad core machine is about as fast as an early i3
[12:44] <dwatkins> it should be even better when I get an SSD, I just upgraded the RAM thanks to a friend who wasn't using 8 GB
[12:44] <redtape-renegade> cool .. how much was it ?
[12:45] <dwatkins> the same price you paid for the shuttle
[12:45] <redtape-renegade> oh ok .. yeah .. they had a 'best offer' on .. so I took £50 off for the fun of it..
[12:46] <dwatkins> not bad
[12:46] <dwatkins> shame it was a dud
[12:46] <redtape-renegade> mmm..
[12:48] <redtape-renegade> BTW Anyone wanting a nice music afternoon .. put this into your Streaming option on VLC and hit play and wait 20 seconds .. it's quite good musae ..
[12:48] <redtape-renegade> http://somafm.com/wma128/indiepop.asx
[12:48] <shauno> I'm still waiting for another cashback to come up on those microservers :/  I always miss it
[12:49] <redtape-renegade> I've never had a cashback or whatever they do in America, ever .. how's it work shauno ??
[12:50] <shauno> fill out the form and wait for a cheque it seems
[12:50] <redtape-renegade> AAh . so you've not done it before ?
[12:50] <dwatkins> Soma has some great stations.
[12:50] <redtape-renegade> v. true +1
[12:50] <dwatkins> I particularly like Groove Salad and Space Radio.
[12:51] <shauno> nope .. but in this particular case it almost halves the cost of the machine, so I'm willing to take a little inconvenience for it
[12:51] <redtape-renegade> Groove Salad is very good .. a classic actually ..
[12:51] <redtape-renegade> shauno: I don't get it ? Are they hoping you dont bank it or something ?
[12:52] <shauno> honestly, no idea
[12:52]  * redtape-renegade forgets how accounting system works momentarily
[12:53] <shauno> there's a limit to how many you can redeem, so I wonder if it's to take a hit on smaller sites, in order to get their name out there, but keep big sites profitable still
[12:53] <redtape-renegade> right draw= credit , left draw = debit . right got it.
[12:54] <diplo> Quite a few of us have bought the microservers and redeemed
[12:55] <diplo> Fill out a form, send it off, 2-3 weeks later a chequ comes through the post
[12:55] <diplo> That's it
[12:55] <shauno> oh I'm not disputing it works, just admitting that I have no idea what the logic behind the offer is
[12:56] <popey> \o/ Microserver
[12:56] <popey> there's a new Microserver now
[12:56] <popey> N54L
[12:57] <dwatkins> I'm tempted to just turn a Raspberry Pi into a server, now I have a separate NAS.
[12:59] <shauno> new & still maxing out at 8GB ram .. bah
[12:59] <diplo> I need MOAR hdd's for mine, can't afford it though really :(
[13:01] <shauno> I'm looking for some cheap boxes to lab vmware on, so ram>disk.  but it still looks like just the chap  (depending on the rebate, otherwise dell's t110 starts looking attractive)
[13:01] <redtape-renegade> .
[13:01] <redtape-renegade> Question:Anybody want to do a hangout on G+ ?
[13:01] <redtape-renegade> .
[13:02] <cliftonts> Yawn!
[13:02] <cliftonts> Afternoon all
[13:03] <diplo> shauno: I have the T108 but it's kinda dead atm
[13:03] <popey> redtape-renegade: I am hanging out now :D
[13:04] <cliftonts> Fact of the day: If you click on the language selection when installing Windows 7 and then use the keyboard to select English it continues to run the installer in whatever flipping language the mouse clicked on!!
[13:08] <bigcalm> popey: put some clothes on
[13:09] <redtape-renegade> last time he was on .. he only had a mic ..
[13:10] <cliftonts> So who's going to this Hacknthing tomorrow?
[13:11] <redtape-renegade> Well, they have a hang-out, so what's the point ?
[13:12] <cliftonts> From my perspective? Well, Alan is bringing a bunch of ubuntu discs for me to collect and I still not really sure what a hang-out is! lol
[13:13] <popey> http://popey.com/hangout
[13:13] <popey> thats a hangout :D
[13:13] <redtape-renegade> cliftonts: A 'hangout' started two years ago .. where you can have a free video conference
[13:14] <cliftonts> I don't have the bandwidth for all that sort of stuff
[13:14] <cliftonts> I've seen it done but I'd be offline within 30 minutes if I did that
[13:15] <cliftonts> Besides, now the landlord has bizzarely removed every mirror in the house I don't think you guys would want to see me anyway!
[13:15] <popey> \o/ that works then
[13:15] <cliftonts> Couldn't even have a shave this morning
[13:17] <redtape-renegade> TRY here .. https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/25e7badb1d90524f3edf916104866fb0fda8e4b7
[13:29] <cliftonts> The wonders of 3G eh?
[13:33] <redtape-renegade> cliftonts: I hven't shaved in three weeks .. I keep seeing Fr. Chrimbo in the mirror :D
[13:36] <cliftonts> redtape-renegade: I'm going for more of a Brian Blesssed
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> cliftonts: including the shouting? :)
[13:38] <cliftonts> Whenever I can get away with it
[13:43] <directhex> GORDON'S ALIVE?
[13:44] <cliftonts> Well, I'm at work, and I've run out of things to do, and I'm bored!
[13:44] <davmor2> Flash ahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa saviour of the universe
[13:47] <SuperMatt> Java ahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa just as bad as Flash
[13:48] <shauno> I wonder if it's about time browsers did a better job of sandboxing their plugins
[13:49] <SuperMatt> problem isn't about sandboxing the plugins. Java just has too much power over a PC anyway
[13:49] <SuperMatt> f'instance, my company uses a VPN which is instigated by a java plugin
[13:50] <SuperMatt> so I go to a certain page, bam! java fires up and my networking is reconfigured
[13:50] <shauno> we have whole apps running in java, so I'd hope it wasn't bound and gagged
[13:50] <shauno> jboss would be even worse if it had to conform to the same model as a browser plugin.  which is why I point at the plugins.  as does your example
[13:52] <SuperMatt> java has a time and place, but it doesn't need to be in browser
[13:53] <popey> Java.. Write once, debug everywhere.
[13:54] <SuperMatt> hurr
[13:55] <shauno> unfortunately my favourite java quip is !ohmy
[13:56] <cliftonts> Oh, Popey, while you're about can I ask a question? Is the spec of Unity lenses changing for 13.04?
[13:57] <popey> unlikely on the desktop
[13:57] <popey> if your lens works on ubuntu raring, it should work on 13.04
[13:57] <cliftonts> So anything written for previous versions should be ok for the forseeable future?
[13:59] <popey> no. i would test on raring
[13:59] <popey> rather than assume lenses for previous releases will work on 13.04
[13:59] <cliftonts> I'm hoping to find a few people at the hackntalk who can help me bash out something for linking into zen cart
[14:00] <cliftonts> As far as I can tell I have all the bits I need, they just need assembling creatively
[14:11] <NET||abuse> arrrgg,, trying to use patch to update some fixes on a site but i can't do a full release
[14:12] <NET||abuse> problem is diff output is refering to files that don't exist yet.
[14:19] <bigcalm> Anybody with experience of using wrist supports (stretchy bandage type) fancy recommending any?
[14:55] <diplo> bigcalm: Can't recommend one, but don't buy cheap
[14:56] <diplo> If it's for work related they should be paying, part of a goverment thing i believe
[15:22] <Laney> power cut!
[15:22] <Laney> it's good to know that I still find them exciting :-)
[15:26] <Laney> http://www.westernpower.co.uk/Power-outages/What-s-Happening.aspx is a useful page
[15:26] <Laney> ... NOT
[15:28] <popey> I bought some candles the other day
[15:28] <popey> should have lit them during UDS hangouts and turned all the lights out, waited for someone to ask why, then said "powercut" and see how long before someone twigs..
[15:29] <Laney> I already was NIMBYing the new tram line here in Nottingham, and now if it's caused a powercut (roadworks for it just down the road) I'll have more ammunition :D
[15:29]  * popey ponders using some kind of imap sync tool to sync all his mail down to his laptop and use mutt locally
[15:29]  * Laney is doing that (offlineimap)
[15:29] <popey> are you doing anything funky with your offlineimap config?
[15:30] <popey> i.e. do you cron it or run it all the time or what?
[15:30] <Laney> cron
[15:30] <popey> details man, details!
[15:30] <Laney> it's pretty unreliable to run constantly
[15:30] <popey> pls blog ta
[15:30] <Laney> */5 * * * * offlineimap -uquiet -o || pkill -9 offlineimap
[15:30] <popey> perfick, ta
[15:31] <popey> do you sync to your laptop?
[15:31] <Laney> yeah
[15:31] <popey> or to a local serrver?
[15:31] <popey> ok
[15:31] <popey> offlineimap from repo in raring?
[15:31] <Laney> that's the one
[15:31] <Laney> maintained by our very own xnox
[15:32] <popey> suh-weet
[15:32] <Laney> and ssmtp for sendmail
[15:33] <xnox> popey: cron of run once is the best, i sync to local dovecot (as I flip between mail-clients that i use)
[15:33] <BigRedS_> I have a cron to run my offlineimap minutely and another to kill ones that've crashed every half hour
[15:34]  * popey looks for offlineimap config
[15:34]  * popey finds http://popey.com/blog/2010/12/30/backup-email-with-offlineimap/
[15:34] <BigRedS> haha
[15:35] <BigRedS> I can probably get you my mutt,msmtp,offlineimap config if you like. It's all in a git repo for pulling down to new installs easily
[15:35] <BigRedS> just gotta get the passwords out of it and tar it up
[15:35] <sebsebseb> hi
[15:35] <Laney> keep meaning to try sup/notmuch, but a resounding C B A always sounds when I think about actually doing it
[15:36] <BigRedS> ah yeah, I think I stumbled across that when I switched to mutt
[15:37] <BigRedS> but it looked like more faff than I wanted
[15:52] <popey> ok, offlineimap running
[15:52] <popey> i only have one thread, this is gonna take a while
[15:59] <kvarley> Wow, just wow. A mini android PC stick with a 1.8GHz quad core processor on it! http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Tronsmart-T428-Quad-Core-Mini-PC-Android-4-2-Rockchip-RK3188-2G-DDR3-Wifi-Bluetooth-TV-BOX-314524.html
[16:02] <kvarley> I wonder what the import tax will be
[16:05] <directhex> kvarley, here's the thing
[16:05] <directhex> kvarley, remember the days when an AMD chip ran at one speed, and an Intel chip ran at a different speed, and you couldn't directly compare them?
[16:06] <directhex> rockchip is not the AMD of arm chips. it is not the cyrix of arm chips. it is the ITD WinChip of ARM chips
[16:06] <bigcalm> Eugh
[16:06] <bigcalm> Such dirty names
[16:06] <directhex> it might say 1.8GHz on it, but in a benchmark, a 1ghz dual-core qualcomm or samsung will smash it
[16:07] <directhex> into dust
[16:10] <redtape-renegade> taking of unusefullness ..  So on canonical.com I only have canonical inbox which gets very little traffic, hence single thread only.
[16:13] <directhex> kvarley, be extremely suspicious. the thing that really isn't trustworthy is any benchmark which isn't hammering I/O - especially network and disk simultaneously
[16:15] <popey> hmmm
[16:15] <popey> thats a thought
[16:15] <popey> yes Laney
[16:16] <Laney> I probably just did it overnight
[16:16] <popey> xnox: so you throw it at gmail and reply from an @ubuntu address or something?
[16:18] <xnox> popey: i use canonical address very sparingly, only for job/office related things. For most stuff I do use gmail+ubuntu.com email address (as I have done from way before joining canonical ;-) )
[16:19] <popey> hmmm, this is clearly the way forwards
[16:19] <popey> Thank you rubber ducks
[16:22] <bigcalm> Quack
[16:22] <Laney> ooh, A Man™ has turned up and started poking around in the substation
[16:23] <Laney> some blown fuses apparently
[16:25] <Laney> yay, back on
[16:57] <rindolf> Hi all.
[16:57] <rindolf> What's up?
[16:57] <rindolf> Happy International Women's Day.
[17:04] <directhex> i'm not an international woman, so i can't celebrate that
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> You're just a national one then?
[17:07] <directhex> i'm a regional man!
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> A local guy
[17:09] <rindolf> Heh.
[17:09]  * rindolf is a sick straight male bastard.
[17:10] <rindolf> I am so full of it that I write many stories with female protagonists (or antagonists).
[17:10] <rindolf> Don't know how I can presume to understand women.
[17:11] <rindolf> But I just write, and some people (including many women) - seem to enjoy them.
[17:12] <rindolf> On the bright side, I am trying to be a gentleman and am always honest in my relationships.
[17:21] <davidmarais> sorry my Dell froze and needed to be kicked
[17:51] <rindolf> davidmarais: ah, that sucks.
[17:53] <rindolf> directhex: heh, your comment about being an international woman reminds me of this - http://pastie.org/6423026
[17:53] <rindolf> From http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/TOWTF/
[17:54] <rindolf> "The One With The Fountainhead" - a parody of Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead modelled around an episode of the T.V. show "Friends".
[17:54] <rindolf> And I'll stop.
[17:54] <rindolf> Are you people busy pubbing
[17:54] <rindolf> ?
[18:34] <redtape-renegade> dwatkins: I have figured out what the problem is .
[18:36] <dwatkins> redtape-renegade: oh?
[18:37] <redtape-renegade> Yep ..
[18:39] <redtape-renegade> Basically the CPU plastic guard that holds down the heatsink fan has snapped off my other main AMDII computer .. son instead of wasteing precious days waiting for the next £300 i7 to come up on ebay  .. probably best that I spend £3 pounds on a simple replacement :)
[18:39] <dwatkins> do tell
[18:40] <redtape-renegade> **so instead..
[18:40] <dwatkins> cool (pun not intended)
[18:40] <redtape-renegade> Anyone know anyone who does next day delivery on that kinda jazz ?
[18:40] <dwatkins> amazon, if you pay for it
[18:41] <redtape-renegade> scanning...
[18:41] <dwatkins> or screwfix, rapid, and possibly ebuyer
[18:41] <dwatkins> actually, forget screwfix
[18:41] <dwatkins> Farnell might
[18:42] <dwatkins> I'm off out for food, ttfn
[18:43] <redtape-renegade> opk bye ..
[18:51] <redtape-renegade> Man £18 for next day delivery of an item that is £4 , kinda sucks. .. Bought it anyhow :(
[19:19] <redtape-renegade> .. if it doesn't arrive Monday ... be warned amazon .. I'll be narked.
[20:03] <redtape-renegade> internet down,, brback...
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> bareback internet?
[20:20] <AlanBell> rule 34
[20:21] <amayer> haha
[20:24] <rindolf> MartijnVdS: be right back.
[20:24] <rindolf> What is rule 34?
[20:24] <rindolf> So many memes - so little time.
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> I think it's better not to explain rule 34 here.. if you REALLY want to know, please google it yourself ;)
[20:26] <shauno> it's not often I'd advise skipping to urbandictionary, but the first result or two feature heavily in examples, you may want to skip to UD this time
[20:30]  * MartijnVdS orders a TP-Link WDR 4300
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> it can run OpenWRT
[20:31] <rindolf> http://xkcd.com/305/ - ah, hah.
[20:44] <ali1234> why does "empty the rubbish bin" take so long?
[20:44] <ali1234> if i go to the directory and rm -rf it will take less than 1 second
[20:44] <ali1234> but doing it through file manager takes several minutes
[20:44] <amayer> i never understood that either
[20:45] <popey> it removes each file in turn I guess
[20:47] <shauno> I wonder if there's some metadata store to facilitate restoring to the previous location?  that'd add an unexpected overhead
[20:48] <ali1234> probably
[20:48] <ali1234> so if i rm -rf it
[20:48] <ali1234> then i'm also leaking database?
[20:48] <ali1234> 4 minutes later it is still "preparing"
[20:49] <shauno> couldn't tell you, just making random guesses at "how did you manage to break that"
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> iotop?
[20:49] <ali1234> it's always been this way
[20:50] <ali1234> gvfsd-trash is hammering both disk and cpu
[20:52] <ali1234> well, i'm going to ask this question on ask ubuntu
[21:01] <ali1234> i only have 11 files and directories in the top level of trash and that is all it needs to care about for restoring
[21:01] <ali1234> it has a .trashinfo file for each one
[21:04] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/q/265660/12435
[21:21] <ali1234> oh hey, it finished deleting
[21:22] <ali1234> oh wait, no it didn't half the files are still there
[21:28] <ali1234> hmm pparently i enabled bootchart and then forgot about it
[21:29] <ali1234> typical boot time was 65 seconds
[21:30] <ali1234> right in the middle is a 10 second delay with no disk or cpu activity... corresponds directly to unity-greeter
[21:30] <ali1234> this is on precise
[21:30] <AlanBell> ooh, I have 1.6GB of bootchart stuff in /var/log/bootchart
[21:32] <AlanBell> now I have 1.6GB more space on my SSD \o/
[21:34] <ali1234> you must reboot a lot
[21:35] <ali1234> between may and november i rebooted 41 times
[21:35] <ali1234> ~100mb of charts
[21:36] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5597178/ they were kinda big
[21:41] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[21:42] <popey> lo
[21:43] <bigcalm> What fun stuff have I been missing recently?
[21:44] <AlanBell> there was a virtual UDS
[21:44] <AlanBell> and some flouncing
[21:45] <bigcalm> Oh I do like a good flounce
[21:47] <bigcalm> Need something fun to buy from Steam I think
[21:54] <popey> ooh steam, thats a good idea
[21:58] <popey> whee, up to 134 games now
[21:58] <popey> https://twitter.com/DailyLinuxSteam/status/310147305686851584
[23:03] <redtape-renegade> Well that was interesting .. we had a DNS outage nation-wide over here for 2 hours .. I blame the guy with three legs !!
[23:07] <redtape-renegade> ... as an aside .. although I'm not sure how authome my score is , but I did manage to get up-to Level 26 on Frozen Bubble  .. oh Ubuntu : Offline you give me brownie points even though I can't tell anyone .. it's our little secret .. [Oooops!! ]