[12:02] <kkathman> !tell zerotime about samba
[12:03] <kkathman> zerotime: check the pm
[12:03] <treefrog_> not the right track.. !! ?
[12:03] <treefrog_> Oh well .
[12:03] <frank23> zerotime: just so you know, you will only be able to read on ntfs, not write
[12:03] <kkathman> ohh sorry I misread that
[12:03] <kkathman> lol
[12:03] <zerotime> its not the first time under linux
[12:03] <zerotime> treefrog
[12:04] <treefrog_> ya
[12:04] <zerotime> do I press on new?
[12:04] <treefrog> new
[12:04] <zerotime> I think this will format the partition I want to set up
[12:04] <treefrog> yup
[12:04] <treefrog> no
[12:04] <treefrog> sorry
[12:04] <treefrog> no it wont format
[12:05] <treefrog> sets up new mount
[12:05] <treefrog> select the path you want
[12:05] <treefrog> select the format.. NTFS
[12:06] <zerotime> Oh, I am really impressed
[12:06] <treefrog> I'm not sure if I'm right but I put all mine in /media/HD1 or
[12:06] <treefrog> or Media/Sdd2
[12:06] <zerotime> finally someone fixed the ntfs stupid problem
[12:06] <zerotime> really nice job
[12:06] <treefrog> it works a treat
[12:07] <zerotime> thx kubuntu its just what I want now
[12:07] <stevio> Hi. Anyone know if the game Atomic is included in kubuntu?
[12:07] <treefrog> Also set permissions so your normal user can get acess to it
[12:07] <_jaypee> good job treefrog
[12:07] <treefrog> otherwise only the admin will get to see anything.
[12:07] <treefrog> then enable it and you are off
[12:11] <frank23> stevio: is that the puzzle game with atoms?
[12:11] <ku_dude> hello dudes..
[12:12] <ku_dude> anybody here installed vmware workstation?
[12:13] <stevio> Sorry frank, yes it is the puzzle game with atoms
[12:14] <frank23> stevio: you can install it with adept
[12:14] <frank23> ku_dude: I installed vmware
[12:14] <frank23> ku_dude: install     gcc-3.4   linux-kernel-headers
[12:15] <stevio> Adept? I don't know what that is. I'm on regular ubuntu. I'm just wondering for a friend, he loves the game. He will install Kubuntu if that game is on it. I think its a kde game...
[12:15] <frank23> stevio: adept is the package manager like synaptic
[12:15] <frank23> stevio: it's probably called  katomic
[12:16] <stevio> Yeah, I think it is.
[12:16] <stevio> I was thinking it came with the distro, but I guess not. Just as good though, thanks.
[12:16] <frank23> stevio: it's not there by default no
[12:16] <stevio> Alright, thanks bro.
[12:17] <frank23> ku_dude:     to run the vmware  config:   export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4   then  run the config script
[12:17] <kkathman> Hey frank, if we had installed all the compiler stuff under hoary, would that have gotten updated in an upgrade, or should I donwload all that stuff again?
[12:18] <frank23> kkathman: the packages you had before will be upgraded
[12:18] <scanner> Hi people around the world ;-)
[12:19] <sorush20> guys can't get a Mac desktop how can I do it ..
[12:19] <kkathman> frank23: so there's no need to do the installs on build-essential, libglibs g++ gcc and the like then?
[12:19] <scanner> Have someone installed prelink?
[12:20] <kkathman> sorush20: thats cuz this is linux not osX
[12:20] <frank23> kkathman: umm well if you had  build-essential before, you have the breezy version now
[12:20] <scanner> I used "AUTOMATIX", installed and configured prelink but now my cpu works too much ;-(
[12:20] <kkathman> ok kewl frank23 thanks
[12:20] <frank23> scanner: I have prelink
[12:20] <scanner> frank have you got any problem?
[12:21] <frank23> scanner: no problems.. but I don't see a huge increase in performance either
[12:22] <kkathman> sorush20: you might take a gander at http://www.kde-look.org tho
[12:22] <scanner> After prelink my cpu work around the clock without stop
[12:22] <scanner> :-(
[12:22] <scanner> and the fan with it :-(
[12:22] <frank23> scanner: running prelink the first time took me about 30 minutes on a Athlon 64 3200+
[12:23] <frank23> scanner: I'd say that is normal
[12:23] <scanner> for me just 15 min
[12:23] <scanner> ;-)
[12:23] <scanner> But I think that I uninstall it
[12:23] <scanner> Have someone a sony vaio FS laptop?
[12:24] <frank23> scanner: prelink is done running and you still have the cpu working at 100%?
[12:24] <scanner> yes :-(
[12:24] <frank23> what process is using the cpu?
[12:24] <scanner> Centrino
[12:24] <frank23> I mean what program is using the cpu?
[12:25] <scanner> :-?
[12:25] <scanner> I don't know
[12:25] <frank23> type   top in a konsole
[12:25] <scanner> uahooooooooooo
[12:26] <scanner> A lot of process are running
[12:26] <frank23> scanner: which one uses cpu%?
[12:26] <ku_dude> frank23: you still there?
[12:26] <frank23> ku_dude: yeah
[12:27] <scanner> kded
[12:27] <scanner> konsole
[12:27] <ku_dude> frank23: I did all that already.. but when I try to start the workstation.. it shows loading for a while then dies..
[12:27] <scanner> etc....
[12:27] <ku_dude> also it messes up my local pc networking environment.
[12:27] <frank23> ku_dude: the vmware configure script  worked?
[12:28] <ku_dude> frank23: well.. not really.
[12:28] <scanner> xorg too
[12:28] <frank23> ku_dude: type  vmware  in a konsole to see the error message
[12:28] <ku_dude> cause it when I try to run it from the shell with vmware & it complains about config wasn't done properly.
[12:28] <frank23> scanner: is there a process using alot of the cpu? (more than 10%?)
[12:28] <libben> is there any command that flushes the system ? it getting real slow after a day or two of java and playing some games. can i free som ram or what?
[12:29] <frank23> libben: logout and log back in
[12:29] <libben> hmm
[12:29] <libben> java 98 % cpu =)
[12:29] <scanner> wait
[12:29] <ku_dude> frank23: gonna re-install it now.. give me a sec.
[12:29] <frank23> libben: what is using java?
[12:30] <libben> well, the famous java eater azureus =)
[12:30] <libben> torrent client
[12:30] <frank23> libben: it should not use 98%.... ;-)
[12:30] <libben> no, but i think it because of my leeching skill earlier today...
[12:30] <libben> it was fine earlier
[12:30] <libben> turned it of now
[12:31] <libben> gonna turn it on and see what top report
[12:31] <scanner> no
[12:31] <scanner> no one
[12:31] <frank23> libben: what java version are you using?
[12:31] <scanner> :-(
[12:31] <raphink> no, no one, no cry
[12:31] <libben> 1.5.04
[12:31] <raphink> no that's not it sorry
[12:31] <raphink> :(
[12:31] <raphink> hehe
[12:32] <frank23> libben: ok
[12:32] <scanner> Yessssssssssssssss
[12:32] <scanner> xorg
[12:32] <scanner> :-(
[12:32] <scanner> I found it
[12:32] <scanner> 11,2
[12:32] <frank23> scanner: found what?
[12:33] <scanner> xorg process have more than 10%
[12:33] <scanner> CPU usage
[12:33] <duende> Help : I wanted to re-install Windows on my first partition, but i'm afraid it's going to overwrite grub.  I'm using a non-default kernel for kubuntu, and i don't have a floppy drive.  how could i restore grub afterwards?
[12:33] <frank23> scanner: that's probably ok...
[12:33] <scanner> What can I do?
[12:33] <frank23> !tell duende about restore
[12:34] <frank23> scanner: prelink shouldn't cause the cpu to be used any more than before
[12:34] <duende> frank23: ??
[12:34] <frank23> duende: wrong word...
[12:34] <scanner> What can I do?
[12:34] <zerotime> hi, I am having troubles with the system and filesystem app in system settings menu, I load it, press administrator mode button, put in my administrator pass, and I cant gain access, the pass is ok, but the screen I get is exactly the same, please someone help
[12:34] <scanner> What's wrong in my ACPI?
[12:35] <scanner> :-(
[12:35] <scanner> :-(
[12:35] <scanner> :-(
[12:35] <scanner> :"(
[12:35] <frank23> !tell duende about grubrestore
[12:35] <zerotime> has someone experienced the same problem?
[12:35] <sorush20> anyone here has a Mac OS feel to their desktop?
[12:35] <frank23> zerotime: that is the most annoying bug in kubuntu...  try  kdesu kcontrol
[12:36] <scanner> I'm fighting seid 2 days with my ACPI
[12:36] <scanner> I cannot controll the FUN
[12:36] <scanner> FAN
[12:36] <scanner> sorry
[12:36] <scanner> ;-)
[12:36] <scanner> My english isn't perfekt
[12:36] <frank23> scanner: I don't know any thing about that. look in the forums for people with sony vaio
[12:36] <scanner> :-P
[12:37] <scanner> I have done it
[12:37] <treefrog> Hi guys can I ask q about restricted formats here??
[12:37] <scanner> But nothing is working
[12:38] <frank23> treefrog: ask away
[12:38] <scanner> Ok. No fear. I'm hard ;-)
[12:38] <treefrog> I get this error when I try the last part of setting up the win32 codacks.. process..
[12:38] <scanner> I will solve it
[12:38] <treefrog> treefrog@pond:~$ sudo apt-get install totem-xine gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse
[12:38] <treefrog> Reading package lists... Done
[12:38] <treefrog> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:38] <treefrog> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse
[12:38] <scanner> ;-)
[12:38] <Tm_T> :(
[12:39] <crimsun> treefrog: you don't have multiverse enabled
[12:39] <crimsun> gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse | 0.8.11-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/multiverse Packages
[12:39] <treefrog> Ahh Ok .. Adept here I come.. sorry
[12:39] <scanner> I want buy a new TV USB RECEIVER
[12:39] <scanner> Pinnacle PCTV 50e
[12:40] <scanner> Do you know if it is linuc compatible?
[12:40] <kkathman> scanner:  I doubt it
[12:40] <treefrog> Humm.. I have 4 entries with universe enabled
[12:40] <scanner> Why?
[12:40] <scanner> Which I have to buy?
[12:40] <kkathman> my experience with Pinnacle is that they dont usually release any open source drivers
[12:41] <scanner> But isn't enough video4linux?
[12:42] <frank23> treefrog: treefrog universe and multiverse are different
[12:42] <treefrog> the only thing I have not enabled is the Marillat thing.
[12:43] <treefrog> everyting else is on and good to go.. acorgin to adept anyway
[12:43] <kkathman> scanner: the 50e is XP only
[12:43] <zerotime> I cannot mount an ntfs partition, bad superblock, bad fs, or other error, what am I doing wrong? I am using system settings filesystems option
[12:44] <treefrog> zerotime: you is having a hard time with that.. not nice. sorry for you.
[12:44] <treefrog> :(
[12:44] <scanner> XP only
[12:44] <scanner> ????????????????
[12:44] <zerotime> true, but need those partition mounted
[12:45] <scanner> How long do you use linux?
[12:45] <zerotime> well, I use both systems a long time ago, np till now, cant make this work
[12:46] <zerotime> so no one had the same problem?
[12:47] <scanner> Do you know how can I controll the fan of my sony?
[12:48] <ku_dude> frank23: hey frank.. can you help me a bit?
[12:49] <frank23> ku_dude: with what?
[12:49] <kevman> zerotime, are you sure you are specifying ntfs and not say, vfat?
[12:49] <ku_dude> frank23: with vmware-config.
[12:49] <gdarel> Video player question. I installed Breezy and I cannot for the life of me figure out where I put the Codecs to play videos anyone have suggestions?
[12:49] <frank23> ku_dude: its not working?
[12:50] <ku_dude> I am re-installing it.. I just wanted to know if I should enabled the NAT thingis..
[12:50] <frank23> !tell gdarel about w32codecs
[12:50] <gdarel> I Have the Codecs just dont know where to put them
[12:50] <frank23> ku_dude: yeah I enabled NAT between guest and host. I always use it
[12:50] <ku_dude> frank23: I have a static IP address on my local machine.
[12:51] <SillyCone> Hi, I'm trying to automount an ext3 hard drive, I added it to fstab, how can I set the permissions so that my user account is allowed to write to the drive?
[12:51] <ku_dude> i installed it like atleast 3 times already..
[12:51] <scanner> Why my firefox show me the flash videos with a audio delay????
[12:51] <scanner> :-(
[12:51] <ku_dude> anyways le'me install it now and tell you if i get any errors.. gonna accept all the default answers.
[12:51] <SillyCone> I'm mounting it into a new directory that is in /
[12:52] <frank23> ku_dude: ok
[12:52] <scanner> No one want me help???
[12:52] <scanner> ;"(
[12:53] <frank23> scanner: only people with sony vaios are likely to be able to help
[12:53] <ku_dude> frank23: Do you want to be able to use host-only networking in your virtual machines? [yes] ... what do I say?
[12:53] <scanner> ;"(
[12:53] <frank23> scanner: I don't know about the audio delays
[12:54] <kkathman> scanner: whats the issue?
[12:54] <frank23> ku_dude: yes should work
[12:54] <scanner> I installed Firefox
[12:54] <kkathman> ok
[12:54] <scanner> and then the flash plugin
[12:54] <kkathman> ok
[12:54] <scanner> from the original
[12:54] <scanner> macromedia
[12:54] <scanner> But
[12:54] <kkathman> ok
[12:55] <scanner> I become just an audio delay
[12:55] <frank23> scanner: you can install flash with adept
[12:55] <kkathman> I dont understand what "audio delay" means for you
[12:56] <scanner> Which package exactly mean you?
[12:56] <frank23> !info flashplayer-mozilla
[12:56] <ubotu> flashplayer-mozilla: (Macromedia Flash Player), section multiverse/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-0.0ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 956 kB, Installed size: 2136 kB
[12:56] <scanner> The video begin, but the audio just few seconds later
[12:57] <scanner> Ok, thx frank
[12:57] <ku_dude> anybody here does Linux Audio editing?
[12:57] <scanner> I will try now
[12:57] <frank23> ku_dude: did vmare work?
[12:57] <kkathman> ku_dude: no way...not in linux :)
[12:58] <ku_dude> frank23: mmm..might be a problem.
[12:58] <ku_dude> kkathman: Audacity isn't bad man..give it a try.
[12:58] <frank23> ku_dude: don't install network-manager, it has a copnflict with vmware
[12:58] <ku_dude> frank23: i get this error on the last steps: Bridged networking on /dev/vmnet0                                  failed
[12:58] <ku_dude> frank23: Starting VMware services:
[12:59] <kkathman> ku_dude: Ahm... its way low end for me
[12:59] <treefrog> zerotime: you stil there?
[12:59] <kkathman> but its not too bad you're right
[12:59] <ku_dude> frank23: network-manager.. mppp..I think I did.. I will check it on Adept.. (brb)
[01:00] <ku_dude> kkathman: does what I need dude..
[01:00] <ku_dude> kalenedrael: beets paying money for windows audio editing. and i'm not a mac' guy either.
[01:01] <kkathman> ku_dude: perfect!! Thats a great thing!
[01:03] <scanner> ;-(
[01:03] <ku_dude> frank23: doest network-manager..affects the installation or only the services?
[01:03] <scanner> It's not better ;-((((
[01:04] <ku_dude> frank23: I can't even load my package managers..
[01:04] <ku_dude> neither konquerer.
[01:04] <frank23> ku_dude: do you have network-manager installed?
[01:05] <asraniel> hi, i have some files called dsdt for my laptop that i just found in a tutorial. my question is, to get full acpi support for my laptop, do i have to recompile the kernel?
[01:05] <ku_dude> frank23: frank.. none of my package managers are loaded..
[01:05] <ku_dude> how do you use apt-get to check if a package is installed? --query?
[01:05] <Spudchat> hi everyone...has anyone had any success networkin the lexmark x1150 printer?
[01:05] <frank23> ku_dude: I had a horrible problem with it. I had to boot in safe mode to remove network-manager
[01:06] <ku_dude> oh yeah!.
[01:06] <frank23> ku_dude: using apt-get remove network-manager
[01:06] <treefrog> Can someone confirm what my multivers repo should be.
[01:06] <robin> hello all, some here earliar pointed me int the right direction to get w32codecs and mplayer but i forgot where they where, wsa it restrited
[01:06] <treefrog> eb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[01:06] <treefrog> deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezymain restricted universe multiverse
[01:06] <ku_dude> it says it isn't installed.
[01:07] <ku_dude> but some network conflict is on my system though.
[01:07] <ku_dude> I can talk to you through konquer.. but can't browse the web at all.
[01:07] <raphink> talk through konqui?
[01:07] <raphink> how would you do that?
[01:07] <ku_dude> plus the "Bridged networking on /dev/vmnet0" service failed..
[01:08] <ku_dude> something is scrude up with my system.
[01:08] <frank23> ku_dude: ok...  I don't really know...
[01:08] <ku_dude> frank23: yeah.. me either. :)
[01:09] <ku_dude> some networking thing though...guess I have to reboot and uninstall vmware then check what networking tool is messing with it.
[01:09] <zerotime> howto install win32codecs
[01:09] <zerotime> ?
[01:09] <raphink> zerotime: I would use Automatix
[01:09] <raphink> for that
[01:10] <frank23> ku_dude: I guess.. my problem was with network-manager but some others tools could have similar problems I guess
[01:10] <frank23> !w32codecs
[01:10] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats deb to download: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[01:10] <frank23> zerotime: did you download the .deb ?
[01:10] <raphink> !automatix
[01:10] <ubotu> Not a clue, raphink
[01:10] <raphink> bad bot :p
[01:10] <zerotime> I am trying to to a simple apt-get install win32codecs
[01:11] <zerotime> and apt-cache search win32codecs
[01:11] <zerotime> nothing
[01:11] <raphink> yep
[01:11] <frank23> zerotime: you cannot get w32codecs on the ubuntu repos
[01:11] <raphink> ubuntu is free and open-source
[01:11] <zerotime> where can I get them?
[01:11] <raphink> win32codecs are non free stuff
[01:11] <raphink> zerotime:
[01:11] <raphink> !w32codecs
[01:11] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats deb to download: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[01:11] <frank23> zerotime: on that link
[01:11] <raphink> that was aimed to you
[01:12] <raphink> zerotime: or using Automatix : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563
[01:12] <raphink> or easy ubuntu
[01:12] <ku_dude> frank23: what is ksmserver?
[01:12] <treefrog> zerotime: that bug you had with the partition. you still got it?
[01:13] <frank23> ku_dude: I don't know
[01:14] <ku_dude> frank23: franks.. thanks anyways for your help, gonna reboot and try some other stuff.. thanks again.. later.
[01:14] <treefrog> frank32: my repo setting for multiverse.. what should it be??
[01:14] <frank23> ku_dude: later
[01:15] <frank23> treefrog: what you pasted before I think was rigth
[01:15] <treefrog> na get and eror saying it
[01:15] <treefrog> just a sec
[01:15] <frank23> treefrog: you're canadian, right?
[01:15] <treefrog> eb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[01:15] <treefrog> deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezymain restricted universe multiverse
[01:15] <treefrog> na
[01:15] <treefrog> oops
[01:16] <treefrog> Failed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezymain/restricted/source/Sources.gz  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[01:16] <treefrog> no.. ahh
[01:16] <frank23> treefrog: add a space
[01:16] <treefrog> Ic
[01:16] <Tm_T> =)
[01:16] <treefrog> Ireland would be ie right?? my other repos point at gb!!
[01:17] <treefrog> a space where
[01:17] <frank23>  breezymain
[01:17] <frank23> treefrog: I don't know if there are ie mirrors
[01:18] <treefrog> heanet.ie is for non breezy at least
[01:21] <treefrog> lovely. thanks frank32
[01:22] <frank23> treefrog: the space was the problem?  the deb-src  repos are mostly useless anyways
[01:23] <treefrog> ya and teh CA wa scausing a prob too.. I dont kow why but changed to GB and off it went
[01:23] <frank23> treefrog: ca  should have worked as well... I use ca no problem
[01:24] <`Nomad> !emilia
[01:24] <ubotu> `Nomad: What?
[01:24] <`Nomad> !pinball
[01:24] <ubotu> `Nomad: I don't know, could you explain it?
[01:25] <treefrog> Frank32 ! I dont know! I must check out heanet.ie.. Kubuntu should select the server based on my location setting at install time Right
[01:26] <frank23> treefrog: yeah
[01:27] <treefrog> Ok I'm out of here thanks for all the help guys. NN from green Ireland
[01:33] <libben> what can i type to force the box to shutdown and power of after say 20 mins?
[01:34] <libben> halt -n 20 ? or something?
[01:36] <Blissex> libben: look at 'man shutdown'.
[01:39] <libben> sudo shutdown -p -t 1200
[01:39] <libben> should work
[01:40] <Blissex> libben: looks good.
[01:41] <Blissex> libben: error, looks wrong.
[01:41] <libben> yeah, just tried
[01:41] <libben> but i dont understand why its getting wrong.. im trying diffrent ways,
[01:41] <Blissex> libben: sudo shutdown -h -H 20
[01:41] <Blissex> libben: sudo shutdown -h -H 20 "power off..."
[01:42] <libben> why h and H
[01:42] <libben> isnt it good with just -H ?
[01:42] <Blissex> libben: '-h' to halt, '-H' for poweroff on halt, '20' for 20 minutes and the rest it is the shutdown message.
[01:42] <libben> '20' is gonna be secs =)
[01:42] <Blissex> libben: '-h' is the action to perform, '-H' is the flavour of halting to do.
[01:43] <Blissex> libben: actually it should be '+20'
[01:43] <Blissex> typo.
[01:44] <wu-hsin> hello, anyone awake and not tired of newbie problems?
[01:44] <wu-hsin> ;)
[01:44] <Blissex> The  time  argument can have different formats.  First, it can be an absolute time in the format hh:mm, in which hh is the hour
[01:44] <Blissex>        (1 or 2 digits) and mm is the minute of the hour (in two digits).  Second, it can be in the format +m, in which m is the number
[01:44] <Blissex>        of minutes to wait.  The word now is an alias for +0.
[01:44] <wu-hsin> have trouble partitioning, can't get beyond it trying to install kubuntu 5.10
[01:45] <Blissex> wu-hsin: just ask.
[01:45] <wu-hsin> thanks, blissex
[01:45] <Blissex> wu-hsin: consider reading these suggestions on how to ask questions: http://tinyurl.com/bz8v4
[01:46] <SillyCone> can somebody help me configuring a second language layout under KDE? ...I've already configured the language itself, but I cant switch between the layouts using hotkeys
[01:46] <SillyCone> The default trigger is Alt+Ctrl+K, but when I change from English to Russian, "K" character does not exist on the keyboard anymore, so I cant switch back
[01:47] <SillyCone> and I cant set it to Alt+Shift for some reason..
[01:48] <wu-hsin> blissex, i find it hard trying to locate an answer for this type of problem
[01:48] <wu-hsin> so i'll just shoot
[01:48] <wu-hsin> when trying to write partitions during kubuntu install, i get the error message "Error informing the kernel about modifications to partition /yadayada - Device or resource busy."
[01:48] <Blissex> SillyCone: thats just modifiers, dont do it.
[01:49] <Blissex> wu-hsin: then reboot, and restart installation without reparitioning, the partitions will be alreayd setup
[01:49] <SillyCone> Blissex, what shoul I do?
[01:49] <SillyCone> should*
[01:49] <wu-hsin> blissex i tried that once, maybe i should try it again
[01:50] <Blissex> SillyCone: just do what everybody does: put the keyboard switching applent in the panel.
[01:50] <Blissex> SillyCone: and use the mouse to click on it and switch layouts.
[01:50] <Blissex> wu-hsin: looks like you should.
[01:51] <SillyCone> I switch between layouts too often, I need to switch from the keyboard
[01:51] <wu-hsin> blissex have i understood correctly that i should have at least one root partition with boot flag and preferrably a swap partition on top of that? also i didn't do anything to my Xp, basically just booted the kubuntu CD and went on trying to partition from there
[01:53] <Blissex> wu-hsin: yes, but you need to have empty space on the disk.
[01:53] <Blissex> SillyCone: switching from the keyboard is a bit of a problem...
[01:53] <Blissex> SillyCone: ask in #KDE, I think they know another way to do it.
[01:53] <SillyCone> Blissex, I figured that out already :)
[01:53] <SillyCone> Blissex, thanks, I will
[01:54] <wu-hsin> i guess deleting existing partitions (so as to see the giant letters "FREE" on the screen) qualifies as empty space?
[01:55] <asraniel> i have a problem. after installing java, the java cimmand launches gij, how can i change that?
[01:57] <Blissex> wu-hsin: yes it does, it may be you will regret it later :-).
[02:00] <wu-hsin> blissex no worries about that one. all my precious documents are on cd's and i'm ever so happy now that i'm finally without XP, no matter if it means existing without any hard disk mounted OS for some time :)
[02:00] <wu-hsin> microsoft's absolute joke of a security update last week was the last drop...
[02:01] <wu-hsin> well, i'm off to bed. i'll figure this partitioning stuff out tomorrow after a refreshing coma. thanks for the help!
[02:02] <wu-hsin> bye ->
[02:08] <jloden> My sound worked under Hoary, but not under breezy, anyone have a moment to help troubleshoot?
[02:08] <crimsun> cat /proc/asound/cards
[02:09] <jloden> ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4 with AD1981B
[02:10] <kkathman> Evening Blissex :)
[02:10] <aldenwlinn> hello ppl
[02:11] <kkathman> lol
[02:11] <aldenwlinn> realy
[02:11] <kkathman> pay no attention to the man behind the curtain
[02:11] <strike4ce> Can I reverse the update of KDE 3.5 beta?
[02:12] <kkathman> strike4ce: can you...yes....is it easy....not even
[02:12] <strike4ce> kkathman: how?
[02:13] <crimsun> jloden: paste the output from amixer onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:13] <kkathman> strike4ce: I heard someone explain it yesterday and didnt understand all the steps, so I'd hesitate to say anything
[02:13] <jloden> ok
[02:13] <kkathman> strike4ce: I know it involves removing a lot of things, rebooting, reinstalling kubuntu...but there are some other things
[02:14] <kkathman> In essence I think yer stuck until the RC comes out
[02:14] <jloden> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d3396
[02:16] <jbasilio> this new beta sucks .. terribly.  i don't know why they even bothered posting it it's so bad.  (at least for me)  such is the price of bleeding edge!
[02:16] <jbasilio> i'm trying to downgrade now using apt preferences ...
[02:16] <endo> how can i change my resolution settings to 1280x1024?
[02:17] <crimsun> jloden: in a Konsole, amixer sset 'Headphone Jack Sense' off
[02:17] <jloden> done
[02:17] <endo> how can i change my resolution?
[02:18] <jloden> endo: is it available as a choice if you right click on your Desktop and go to "Configure Desktop" - > Display -> Screen Size ?
[02:18] <endo> i did
[02:18] <endo> wont let me choose anything larger
[02:18] <jloden> is the resolution you want actually available there in the drop-down list?
[02:19] <endo> no
[02:19] <endo> but i know i have it
[02:19] <endo> it worked with xandros
[02:19] <jloden> ok, then that means that X is not configured to provide any higher resolutions, either because your monitor and/or video card are unable to go higher, or because X isn't configured properly for it
[02:19] <endo> i beleive x isnt configured properly
[02:20] <jloden> if you're sure it works on 1280x1024, you'll likely need to edit xorg.conf
[02:20] <endo> i am positive
[02:20] <endo> anyone can walk me through that?
[02:20] <jloden> if you go to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl and paste your xorg.conf contents in there I can take a look
[02:21] <jloden> crimsun: still no sound, anything other output I can provide that will help you troubleshoot?
[02:21] <orangey> hey all!
[02:21] <orangey> are there openoffice.org2 packs in the reps yet?
[02:23] <crimsun> jloden: hmm, so you dist-upgraded from Hoary?|
[02:23] <crimsun> -|
[02:24] <jloden> crimsun: no, fresh install
[02:24] <jloden> I tried dist-upgrade, but I ran out of space on / because I partitioned like a moron a while back
[02:25] <jloden> endo: did you get the xorg.conf pasted?
[02:25] <crimsun> jloden: try muting External Amplifier
[02:27] <jloden> crimsun: dont think that worked, but is there a way to make sure I muted it properly?
[02:27] <crimsun> amixer sget 'External Amplifier'
[02:28] <jloden> Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined; Playback channels: Mono; Mono: Playback [off]
[02:28] <jloden> that look right?
[02:29] <crimsun> yea
[02:29] <crimsun> h
[02:33] <Diablo_D3> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/kdegraphics/+bug/3437
[02:34] <Tm_T> ok, anyone who's using automatix, stop it
[02:35] <Tm_T> Diablo_D3: don't wonder, it's tool to install stuff to ubuntu
[02:35] <crimsun> jloden: does aplay produce sound?
[02:35] <Balooo> hi
[02:35] <Tm_T> well, but it can broke your system
[02:35] <Diablo_D3> Tm_T: ahh
[02:35] <Tm_T> Diablo_D3: so stay away from it
[02:35] <Diablo_D3> dont worry
[02:35] <endo> sorry wife needed me
[02:35] <Diablo_D3> I dont install ubuntu
[02:35] <Balooo> can  anyone  tell   me  if  kstars  is  included on the  live  dvd   ?
[02:35] <endo> ill do it now
[02:36] <Diablo_D3> I buy new harddrives, and rsync my root to them
[02:36] <Tm_T> Diablo_D3: does all istall with --force-yes switch
[02:36] <jloden> crimsun: no, nothin
[02:36] <endo> jloden
[02:36] <toran> hey guys, how can I get GTK themes on my GTK apps in Kubuntu (I'm using fluxbox as my window manager, actually)
[02:36] <endo> im doing that now
[02:36] <Tm_T> can't imagine how stupid must be that fellow who did that "program"
[02:36] <endo> searching for the file
[02:37] <crimsun> jloden: you'll need to experiment with line sense being ON then
[02:37] <Tm_T> toran: apt-cache search gtk | grep theme
[02:37] <Tm_T> or engine
[02:37] <jloden> crimsun: what's the command to turn it on?
[02:37] <crimsun> jloden: you can use any mixer to turn it on
[02:38] <toran> Tm_T: those are just different themes I can install... I use gtk-chtheme to choose it, but the theme doesn't get applied until I start that app
[02:38] <crimsun> jloden: ICH4 apparently has a lingering issue with Line and Headphone Jack Sense(s)
[02:38] <Tm_T> toran: well, that's how it works
[02:38] <toran> Tm_T: well, that sucks... I don't wanna start an app every time I log in just to make all my GTK apps look right ><
[02:39] <Tm_T> toran: it doesn't save your settings?
[02:39] <endo> jloden: pasted it as Levi
[02:39] <toran> apparently not
[02:39] <Tm_T> toran: I do those changes once
[02:39] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:39] <jloden> crimsun: no luck with either one on or off or both on/both off
[02:40] <toran> oh, wait, maybe it is working
[02:40] <toran> nvm ><
[02:40] <Tm_T> toran: :)
[02:40] <toran> sorry to bother you
[02:40] <Tm_T> np
[02:40] <endo> so if you can tell me whats up that would be great
[02:40] <toran> I had my kde control center set to use my KDE theme in GKT
[02:40] <toran> *GTK
[02:40] <toran> I turned that off and it's working
[02:40] <Tm_T> :p
[02:40] <jloden> endo: that xorg.conf shows all 1280x1024 resolution settings...theoretically your display should be at 1280x1024 unless there was an error
[02:40] <endo>  dont think there was
[02:40] <crimsun> jloden: now add External Amplifier into the permutation
[02:40] <endo> i dont know the deal
[02:41] <endo> bb in 1 hr
[02:41] <endo> gotta get dinner
[02:41] <Balooo> can  anyone  tell   me  if  kstars  is  included on the  live  dvd  for   PPC   ?
[02:41] <toran> I have one other question.. how can I get my custom cursor themes to work in fluxbox? they work when I'm in KDE, but not when I'm not :(
[02:42] <jloden> damn, this sucks...I've not had a problem with sound in a long time, and now I'm totally soundless
[02:42] <Tm_T> endo: small advice: cat /var/log/xorg.0.log | grep EE
[02:42] <Tm_T> Balooo: no with that many spaces
[02:42] <Tm_T> jloden: what's the problem
[02:43] <whitefungi> anyone running the unreal tournament server on ubuntu?
[02:43] <Balooo> ok  thx  Tm_T
[02:43] <Tm_T> Balooo: that said, I don't know but you have too many spaces between words imo
[02:43] <jloden> dunno, on Hoary I had no problems with sound, but Breezy does not like my sound card
[02:43] <Tm_T> ;)
[02:44] <Tm_T> jloden: what does alsamixer say
[02:44] <jloden> alsamixer says my sound is on
[02:44] <jloden> and I posted amixer output into http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d3396 for crimsun earlier
[02:44] <crimsun> jloden: it's a mixer issue
[02:45] <crimsun> I have the same ac97 codec but a different base dsp, and mine works with headphone and line jack sense muted
[02:45] <Balooo> Tm_T  just  a  safety  margin  thx  anyway
[02:45] <crimsun> external amplifier doesn't matter
[02:45] <jloden> I've tried dicking with the mixer stuff but can't find a combo that will get a peep out of this thing so far
[02:45] <Tm_T> Balooo: safety margin?
[02:45] <Tm_T> Balooo: at least it's annoying :(
[02:47] <jloden> gah....sound works now
[02:47] <jloden> I had to hit the mute button on the thinkpad keypad on and off a couple times, then it just started working
[02:47] <Tm_T> :)
[02:47] <Tm_T> jloden: ok, you never said it's laptop
[02:47] <Balooo> sorry  for  that Tm_T
[02:47] <jloden> well, thanks for the troubleshooting help crimsun and Tm-T :)
[02:47] <Tm_T> jloden: yes, it's important importation
[02:48] <Tm_T> info
[02:48] <Tm_T> anyway
[02:48] <jloden> sorry, should have mentioned, my faul t
[02:48] <Tm_T> np :)
[03:09] <endo> jloden im back
[03:10] <endo> sorry for the inconvinience
[03:12] <endo> anyone here?
[03:19] <endo> ?
[03:37] <endo> anyone around?
[03:41] <laszlok> im here
[03:41] <laszlok> i dont know where everyone else went
[03:45] <aeon17x> I'm wondering, is there any way to completely uninstall kubuntu? I installed it after ubuntu, but for some reason I messed it up along the way, so I can no longer log into it properly. Any way to do it beyond a full reinstall?
[03:46] <soulslayer8703> Hello
[03:46] <soulslayer8703> I need some help here
[03:46] <soulslayer8703> somebody know how to configure a wifi in kubuntu
[03:47] <soulslayer8703> im stupid for linux
[03:47] <soulslayer8703> new guy
[03:47] <soulslayer8703> i even dont know how to mount
[03:47] <soulslayer8703> somebody????
[03:47] <soulslayer8703> hi...
[03:53] <_jaypee> anyone have deb file for amarok 1.3.3?
[03:56] <jayparadise> can i change the source for the default packages like grub and lilo from the cdrom to a site online?
[03:59] <DaSkreech> If I can update to KDE 3.5 once it's out on the breezy servers I should be able to update to OO.0 2.0 Final Right?
[04:01] <jayparadise> heh just had to comment out the cdrom source
[04:12] <poimen> hi
[04:12] <poimen> I need  help installing th eivtv module on breezy
[04:12] <poimen> ivtv**
[04:13] <poimen> I upgraded my kernel from 386 to 686
[04:13] <poimen> then I installed the linux-headers-686
[04:15] <endo> i need help with my 1280x800 display
[04:15] <endo> can someone lend a hand
[04:15] <poimen> and when I do make for the module I get a log error her eis the output http://pastebin.com/400503
[04:22] <laszlok> endo: whats your problem
[04:23] <endo> i dont have the option to set my display to 1280x800
[04:25] <laszlok> was it not there in the inital install?
[04:25] <poimen> I really need help with ivtv I just erased my windows partition and that is the only thing I need getting working so i have all my hardware working in this funtinal PC
[04:32] <poimen> :)
[04:33] <endo> where is synaptic package manager
[04:36] <laszlok> endo: i see it as an option in the xorg config
[04:38] <endo> i did that
[04:39] <endo> but its not working
[04:39] <pospeselr> quick newbie question
[04:39] <pospeselr> how do I execute a command on startup?
[04:39] <pospeselr> specifically synergy --config synergy.conf
[04:39] <pospeselr> synergys i mean
[04:41] <endo> what bios type are we running
[04:43] <pospeselr> quick newb question, anyone know how to go about executing a command at startup?
[04:47] <ku_dude> frank23: hey frank you there?
[04:49] <frank23> yeha
[04:51] <ku_dude> about vmware..
[04:51] <ku_dude> so I installed it ok.
[04:51] <frank23> ok
[04:51] <ku_dude> it runs only if I disable networking.
[04:51] <ku_dude> so I am creatin the virtual machines. then maybe try enable networking later on..
[04:51] <frank23> ok
[04:52] <ku_dude> only one question though.. when you install windows XP for example in a virtual machine should the license key work as if you had installed it on a real system?
[04:52] <frank23> ku_dude: did you add networking software or special configuration to cause vmware not working?
[04:53] <ku_dude> frank23: I don't know..but I will illiminate stuff until i solve the problem.. I noticed bind was installed, so I removed that.
[04:53] <ku_dude> not sure what else could be causing the problem.
[04:53] <frank23> ku_dude: ummm....  I think so
[04:53] <ku_dude> anyways I suspend the virtual machine, I will try to finish XP installation tomorrow.
[04:53] <endo> how do i go about install kde .deb ?
[04:53] <ku_dude> i'm going home now to my bed.. take care. and thanks again for your help.
[04:54] <ku_dude> frank23: will you be online tomorrow?
[04:54] <ku_dude> frank23: on #kubuntu ie.
[04:54] <frank23> ku_dude: probably
[04:54] <ku_dude> ok cya then.. my body is bluddy tired.
[04:54] <frank23> ok
[04:55] <frank23> endo what do you want to do exactly?
[04:56] <endo> to install kde 3.5
[04:57] <endo> and to set my resolution right
[04:57] <endo> can you help
[04:57] <endo> ?
[04:57] <frank23> !kde3.5
[04:57] <ubotu> it has been said that kde3.5 is it has been said that kde3.5 is at http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35beta1.php for opinions see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=67800
[04:57] <frank23> endo there are still severe bugs with kde3.5 so I don't suggest it
[04:58] <frank23> !fixres
[04:58] <ubotu> fixres is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:58] <Tm_T> nooooo
[04:58] <Tm_T> frank23: that's old information what ubotu gices
[04:58] <Tm_T> gives
[04:58] <frank23> that's true...
[04:58] <Tm_T> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35beta2.php
[04:58] <Tm_T> ;)
[04:59] <frank23> ubotu kde3.5 is it has been said that kde3.5 is it has been said that kde3.5 is at http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35beta2.php for opinions see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=67800
[04:59] <ubotu> ...but kde3.5 is already something else...
[04:59] <frank23> ubotu forget kde3.5
[04:59] <ubotu> frank23: i forgot kde3.5
[04:59] <frank23> ubotu kde3.5 is it has been said that kde3.5 is it has been said that kde3.5 is at http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35beta2.php for opinions see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=67800
[05:00] <frank23> !kde3.5
[05:00] <ubotu> frank23: What?
[05:00] <frank23> crap I don't know how to make ubotu work
[05:00] <jsubl2> !tell frank23 about ubotu
[05:00] <Tm_T> haha
[05:00] <Tm_T> teach him!
[05:00] <Tm_T> +t
[05:00] <jsubl2> hehe
[05:01] <endo> dood
[05:01] <frank23> thanks
[05:01] <endo> i dont get a tutorial there
[05:03] <frank23> endo where?
[05:03] <endo> on any of those links
[05:03] <endo> i just want to know how to get this going
[05:03] <endo> im a total newb
[05:04] <frank23> endo what do you want to know exactly? (and if you're a total newbie, don't install kde3.5
[05:04] <frank23> for now I mean
[05:05] <endo> hehe
[05:06] <endo> okk i wont
[05:06] <endo> im a total newb
[05:06] <endo> my other issue is getting my 1280x800 resolution to work
[05:06] <endo> i modified the xorg.conf
[05:06] <endo> but no luck
[05:07] <frank23> what resolutions do you have available in configure desktop?
[05:07] <endo> 1024x768
[05:07] <frank23> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:08] <frank23> did you look at this?
[05:08] <endo> yes
[05:08] <endo> i downloaded the program it said to
[05:08] <endo> but i cant get that to work
[05:09] <frank23> endo do you have one of those intel chipsets?
[05:09] <kkathman> evening again all :)
[05:12] <endo> yes
[05:13] <endo> i have the intel
[05:13] <endo> chipset
[05:13] <MPC> can someone help me with a USB memory drive, which works with Ubuntu but is no long recognized by XP?
[05:13] <frank23> did   sudo 855resolution -l  give you alist of resolutions?
[05:14] <endo> nope
[05:14] <endo> i do that in my main right
[05:14] <MPC> I tried un-mounting ... and re-formatting via mkfs etc.; but, Win XP still can no longer "see" the usb memory stick
[05:15] <frank23> endo   you write that in a konsole
[05:15] <endo> i did
[05:15] <frank23> MPC: I don't know anything about that
[05:16] <frank23> endo: what did it say?
[05:16] <MPC> thanks, Frank23
[05:16] <endo> sudo 855resolution -l
[05:16] <endo> sudo: 855resolution: command not found
[05:16] <MPC> btw, I have the same video problem with Ubuntu not recognizing the Centrino video chip set
[05:17] <MPC> I have no option to set my video to 1280x800, my notebook's native resolution
[05:17] <frank23> endo did apt-get install 855resolution work without error?
[05:18] <endo> nope
[05:18] <endo> says couldnt find package
[05:19] <frank23> endo why didn't you say that from the start?    you need to enable universe. go in adept:  file->manage repositories
[05:20] <endo> hu
[05:20] <endo> from the beginning
[05:21] <endo> from the kde desktop?
[05:21] <frank23> endo: K->system->Package manager(adept)
[05:22] <endo> ok
[05:22] <endo> i got it
[05:23] <endo> full upgrade
[05:23] <frank23> did you go to manage repositories?
[05:23] <endo> yes
[05:24] <frank23> ok
[05:25] <frank23> fetch updates, then do a search for 855resolution
[05:26] <endo> ok
[05:26] <endo> will do
[05:28] <endo> i dont see it
[05:29] <frank23> did you enable the lines with universe?
[05:29] <kkathman> I was a little surprised there were no updates today through Adept :)
[05:30] <endo> ?
[05:30] <frank23> endo why didn't you say that from the start?    you need to enable universe. go in adept:  file->manage repositories
[05:31] <frank23> sorry I didn't mean to be rude... I just pasted something from before
[05:31] <endo> i now
[05:31] <endo> i KNOW
[05:31] <endo> i dont understand what your saying
[05:31] <endo> the lines with universe int he repository are comments
[05:32] <frank23> yes but right click them to enable them
[05:32] <MPC> Frank23:  fyi: I was able to sudo apt-get install 855resolution ... and sudo 855resolution -l ... listed video modes, including 7e  1280x800
[05:32] <frank23> MPC: so it should work...
[05:32] <endo> i got em
[05:33] <kkathman> hey thoreauputic  :)
[05:33] <endo> now i am fetching updates
[05:34] <MPC> now what? ... i.e. System -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution .... still only lists ONE choice: 1024x768
[05:34] <frank23> MPC: are the horizfreq and vertrefresh numbers good in xorg.conf?
[05:34] <endo> frank thanks man
[05:34] <endo> says its installed
[05:34] <MPC> Frank23:  let me check ...
[05:35] <satafterh> hello all, is there a desktop theme manager in kubuntu
[05:35] <endo> what should i do now
[05:35] <MPC> frank23:  are you familiar with the path to xorg.conf?
[05:35] <kkathman> satafterh: yes, its part of the system settings
[05:35] <frank23>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:35] <MPC> thanks
[05:36] <thoreauputic> kkathman: hi - sorry I'm lagged at the moment (big download)
[05:36] <kkathman> no prob thoreauputic :)
[05:36] <frank23> endo  search for 855 in quick filter
[05:36] <endo> i did that
[05:36] <endo> im golden
[05:36] <endo> i did
[05:36] <endo> sudo 855.... -l
[05:36] <frank23> ok
[05:36] <endo> now i need to go from here
[05:36] <frank23> can you get the list of video modes?
[05:36] <endo> yes
[05:37] <endo> what should i type now
[05:37] <frank23> is yours there?
[05:37] <endo> nope
[05:37] <endo> they got 1280x1024
[05:38] <endo> they got 1280x801
[05:38] <endo> i guess that is close enuff
[05:38] <endo> what should i do now
[05:38] <frank23> endo close enough will not work ;-)
[05:39] <frank23> follow the instructions in the webpage  but use   kdesu kate /etc/default/855resolution to open the file
[05:39] <frank23> one line:  kdesu kate /etc/default/855resolution
[05:39] <ice_1963> how do i get cdrdao for k3b?
[05:40] <frank23> ice_1963: in adept: enable universe and install it
[05:40] <MPC> frank23:  xorg.conf looks "good"  i.e. Section "Screen"  makes lots of references to 1280x800
[05:41] <ice_1963> can ido it in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:41] <endo> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[05:41] <MPC> is logoff & re-start X required?
[05:41] <frank23> endo    did you try sudo kate?  that doesn't work
[05:42] <frank23> MPC: I guess, I really don't know
[05:42] <endo> sAME error
[05:42] <MPC> over & out ... <G>
[05:42] <frank23> endo:   open ksysguard (system menu)
[05:42] <ice_1963> good job on kubuntu
[05:42] <kkathman> frank23: people can use kynaptic also to install :)
[05:42] <frank23> endo:  find  kate and kill it
[05:42] <frank23> kkathman: kynaptic is not there by default now
[05:42] <kkathman> frank23: Uhmm.. I beg to differ
[05:43] <kkathman> it was installed on my system when I upgraded
[05:43] <kkathman> I didnt have it before
[05:43] <ice_1963> can i install synaptic in kubuntu?
[05:43] <endo> insufficient permissions to kill
[05:43] <frank23> kkathman: well I don't have kynaptic yet I have kubuntu-dektop
[05:44] <kkathman> hmmm did you install kubuntu or ubuntu originally?
[05:44] <frank23> endo   take note of the process id number  and do sudo kill 2536
[05:44] <frank23> endo  whatever that number is...
[05:44] <kkathman> lol
[05:44] <frank23> ice_1963: yes you can
[05:45] <frank23> kkathman: I think I uninstalled kynaptic after I upgraded to breezy
[05:45] <kkathman>  Ahh ok
[05:45] <kkathman> that makes sense :)
[05:45] <endo> dood i gotta run
[05:45] <endo> peace
[05:45] <frank23> endo ok later
[05:45] <kkathman> I havent gotten the hang of Adept yet...I guess I dont trust it :)
[05:45] <kkathman> Im an apt-get kinda guy :)
[05:45] <frank23> kkathman: yeah I still like synaptic better
[05:46] <frank23> oh
[05:46] <frank23> ;-)
[05:46] <kkathman> old habits die hard I suppose
[05:46] <frank23> I never picked up old habits
[05:46] <frank23> hoary was the first time I used any debian
[05:48] <kkathman> warty was my first time
[05:48] <kkathman> I used Red Hat, Mandrake (a little), and Libranet before
[05:48] <frank23> I used red hat 9 for a while like 2 years ago
[05:49] <kkathman> yah thats what I used too
[05:49] <kkathman> it was so huge and bloated
[05:49] <frank23> and red hat 7 when that was new but ubuntu made me convert to linux
[05:49] <kkathman> I havent tried anything else since I installed ubuntu
[05:50] <kkathman> I heard I should have tried Knoppix
[05:50] <frank23> kkathman: I tried linspire and opensuse just to see
[05:50] <kkathman> what did you think of linspire?
[05:50] <kkathman> I tried SuSE 4 I think a long time ago
[05:51] <kkathman> or was it 5?  1998 or 1999 or so
[05:51] <kkathman> I had a devil of a time configuring it back then...wouldnt run on a Dell
[05:51] <frank23> its ok...  It's probably the only distribution that can really say that you never need the console. so for some people it might be good. everything runs as root by default though :(
[05:51] <kkathman> linspire?
[05:51] <kkathman> wow
[05:51] <frank23> yeah linspire
[05:52] <kkathman> interesting
[05:52] <kkathman> I personally dont see how people even get by on Linux without the console, and I think its a mistake not learning it
[05:52] <frank23> kkathman: linpire is basically debian but you need to pay to get access to the linpire repos
[05:53] <kkathman> Every certification program stresses console control
[05:53] <kkathman> ahhh that suxors
[05:53] <frank23> kkathman: console will scare away lots of simple desktop users
[05:53] <kkathman> yah I know, so we train a bunch of dummy linux users now that we have dummy windows users :)
[05:54] <frank23> kkathman: the worst is that the dummy linspire users will be as vulnerable to every kind of crap as windows users since they run as root by default
[05:55] <kkathman> exactly!!  People dont realize that an uneducated computer user is a major liability
[05:55] <kkathman> I have a client that paid me $150 to drive over to her home and plug in her printer to the computer
[05:56] <frank23> If linspire was suddenly the target of malware, they would have no choice but to stop the default installs as root
[05:56] <kkathman> whats good about that, is that was the right thing for her to do!
[05:56] <frank23> yeah
[05:57] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:57] <Tm_T> default installs as root?
[05:57] <frank23> yep
[05:57] <Tm_T> you mean no other users, just root?
[05:57] <frank23> Tm_T: by default yes... you get the option to setup users during install though
[05:58] <Tm_T> ok
[05:58] <kkathman> lol
[05:58] <kkathman> I like the way ubuntu does it
[05:58] <Tm_T> that's a big, huge ugly flaw
[05:58] <kkathman> disable the root..good idea for most people actually
[05:58] <Tm_T> kkathman: yup
[05:58] <frank23>  /root  gets filled with all the .files from kde etc
[05:58] <Tm_T> kkathman: and it's soooo easy to enable if you wan't it
[05:59] <kkathman> right
[05:59] <kkathman> but most shouldnt
[05:59] <kkathman> even I dont
[05:59] <kkathman> well...I take that back
[05:59] <kkathman> I enabled it
[05:59] <kkathman> but dont use it
[05:59] <kkathman> only if I am going to be doing alot of admin stuff
[06:00] <frank23> kkathman: how do you enable/disable root anyways?
[06:01] <kkathman> uhmm..prolly not a good thing to put here in the open channel
[06:01] <frank23> kkathman: is it just give a password, then give a random password you forget immediately to disable?
[06:02] <Hobbsee> afternoon all
[06:02] <Hobbsee> oh good!  the howto worked for getting a mouse theme for firefox and thuderbird, rather than the standard black one :D
[06:03] <kkathman> frank23: check your pm
[06:03] <Hobbsee> hi kkathman :)
[06:03] <kkathman> good evening Hobbsee!! How are you tonight :)
[06:04] <Hobbsee> kkathman: happy to not have black cursors while in firefox :D
[06:05] <frank23> Hobbsee: hmm... I still have those black cursors
[06:05] <kkathman> great!!!
[06:05] <Hobbsee> frank23: howto on ubuntuforums.org
[06:05] <kkathman> what black cursors...and where?
[06:05] <Hobbsee> kubuntu section
[06:05] <frank23> ok
[06:05] <Hobbsee> kkathman: what colour are your cursors normally?
[06:05] <kkathman> Hobbsee: Shhhh...we dont wanna promote that
[06:05] <kkathman> in firefox?
[06:05] <kkathman> lemme check
[06:05] <Hobbsee> both firefox and out of it
[06:05] <Hobbsee> why dont we want to promote it, and which dont we want to promote?
[06:06] <kkathman> its a regular black line like most things
[06:06] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[06:06] <Hobbsee> well for those of us who select that we want a white, or some other colour cursor, in firefox it still shows as black
[06:06] <Hobbsee> and now there is a howto that fixes that :D
[06:07] <kkathman> Hobbsee: its probably not a good idea to tell alot of people how to enable root :)
[06:07] <kkathman> OHhhh ok
[06:07] <Hobbsee> kkathman: where did i do that???
[06:07] <Hobbsee> i've said nothing at all about root for a very long time...
[06:09] <kkathman> ohhh I misread :)
[06:10] <kkathman> my bad
[06:10] <kkathman> hehe
[06:10] <regeya_> I shall have to check my logs.  anyone else experiencing random freezes?  as in something that is cataclysmic enough that you cant kill xorg with ctrl-alt-esc?
[06:10] <Hobbsee> kkathman: thought you might have - i use the factoid for root lol...not sure why anyone would bother though
[06:10] <Hobbsee> regeya_: with what  in particular?
[06:11] <frank23> regeya_ no freezes like that here
[06:11] <kkathman> well yah
[06:12] <kkathman> I need new games...the ones that come with KDE and Gnome arent very good :(
[06:12] <regeya_> Hobbsee: I realize 'random freezes' is a bit vague but 'random' is a key word
[06:12] <kkathman> MahJohng is ok
[06:12] <Tm_T> kkathman: jake2 ;)
[06:12] <kkathman> thats a game?
[06:13] <Tm_T> yes
[06:13] <kkathman> what kind?
[06:13] <Tm_T> but...
[06:13] <Hobbsee> regeya_: none here, but that doesnt mean anything lol
[06:13] <Tm_T> it's java port of quake 2
[06:13] <Hobbsee> kkathman: planetpenguin racer?
[06:13] <kkathman> ohhh kewl :)
[06:13] <Tm_T> I find it soooooo good
[06:13] <frank23> kkathman: there is a DDR clone you can play with a keyboard called pydance
[06:13] <kkathman> nice :)
[06:13] <kkathman> planetpenguin?? hehe
[06:13] <frank23> kkathman: you download songs "elsewhere"
[06:14] <kkathman> hehe
[06:14] <Hobbsee> kkathman: yeah, particularly the desperation level
[06:14] <Tm_T> kkathman: other good games: freeciv2
[06:14] <Hobbsee> friend of mine on windows loves playing tuxracer - i didnt have breezy on the computer at the time
[06:14] <kkathman> I have civ2 on my Winbox...and Rome-TotalWar....very good
[06:15] <kkathman> Tm_T: I wonder if I have java working
[06:15] <kkathman> it was on my hoary so I wonder if it got upgraded
[06:15] <Hobbsee> kkathman: java -version
[06:15] <kkathman> 1.4.2
[06:15] <Hobbsee> hmmm...should try freciv
[06:16] <Hobbsee> it's upto 1.5 now
[06:16] <Hobbsee> !javadeb
[06:16] <ubotu> [javadeb]  for sun java debs packaged for ubuntu, Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[06:16] <kkathman> wonder what happens to my 1.4.2 if I install 1.5?
[06:17] <frank23> kkathman: it stays there I think  you use  sudo update-alternatives --config java  to choose   the one you use
[06:18] <kkathman> ahh ok
[06:18] <kkathman> i went through some hellacious procedure to install java SDK before under hoary
[06:19] <kkathman> does freeciv2 use java or not?
[06:19] <Hobbsee> kkathman: grabbing the deb is way easier lol..but i remember doing that too
[06:20] <kkathman> yeah I can imagine Hobbsee
[06:20] <frank23> how do you use a new cursor theme in kde after you download it?
[06:22] <kkathman> frank23: thats a great question!! I have never known how to do that or load themes
[06:22] <Hobbsee> where'd you get the cursor theme from?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> system settings, mouse, install new cursor theme
[06:23] <kkathman> you can get them from alot of places Hobbsee ... kde-look.org is one
[06:23] <Hobbsee> yeah, if it's kde-look, there are usually instructions
[06:23] <frank23> Hobbsee: from kde-look.
[06:23] <Hobbsee> yeah, pick the locatoin of the theme, and it should be done
[06:23] <frank23> some sources came with the cursors
[06:24] <Hobbsee> frank23: system settings, mouse, cursor themes tab, install new cursor theme, point to location of downloaded theme
[06:24] <kkathman> ok where do I get freeciv2?? apt-cache doesnt find it :(
[06:25] <Hobbsee> looks like freeciv is there
[06:25] <Hobbsee> but that may not be the same thing
[06:25] <frank23> Hobbsee: that's what I'm doing but do I have to compile the theme somehow?
[06:25] <Hobbsee> frank23: hopefully not, try with the location of the theme
[06:26] <kkathman> ahh it requires java :(
[06:26] <kkathman> ugh
[06:27] <kkathman> freeciv is a transitional dummy package :(
[06:27] <frank23> Hobbsee: is the theme supposed to be one file only? or a directory?
[06:27] <Hobbsee> frank23: probably a directory...could be one file
[06:27] <Hobbsee> checking kdelook
[06:28] <frank23> trying to install http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=19506
[06:29] <Hobbsee> frank23: you can pick the archive file, ie you dont have to extract it
[06:29] <Hobbsee> frank23: and you'd want the first link - doesnt look like you need the source
[06:30] <frank23> Hobbsee: oh....
[06:30] <Hobbsee> frank23: unless you plan on changing it...
[06:31] <Hobbsee> nice cursors
[06:31] <frank23> still doesn't work... I must be doing something stupid...
[06:32] <Hobbsee> frank23: click on that
[06:32] <Hobbsee> http://kde-look.org/content/download.php?content=19506&id=1
[06:32] <Hobbsee> if it asks, save to disk
[06:32] <frank23> Hobbsee: ok
[06:32] <kkathman> so you save them then you go to the system settings?
[06:33] <Hobbsee> frank23: Open the Control Centre
[06:33] <Hobbsee> frank23: Open Peripherals -> Mouse
[06:33] <frank23> that's what I did before
[06:33] <Hobbsee> frank23: Click the Cusor Theme tab
[06:33] <Hobbsee> frank23: Click Install New Theme...
[06:33] <kkathman> control centre?
[06:33] <Hobbsee> system settings
[06:33] <Hobbsee> used to be control centre
[06:34] <Hobbsee> Select the cursor theme archive
[06:34] <Hobbsee> frank23: Select the cursor theme archive
[06:34] <Hobbsee> frank23: Restart KDE
[06:34] <frank23> I choose the tar.bz2 file and it gives me The file 19506-pinux's-tux-cursors-theme-0.3-cur.tar.bz2 does not appear to be a valid cursor theme archive
[06:34] <Hobbsee> ah...assuming you got it installed correctly, i'll bet you didnt restart kde
[06:35] <kkathman> yah this is where I couldnt get past too frank23
[06:35] <frank23> same thing with the index.theme files inside the archive
[06:35] <kkathman> I guess you have to tar something or other
[06:36] <frank23> and the ./Build.sh  scripts  give me errors
[06:36] <kkathman> I think its tar xvjf
[06:36] <Hobbsee> darn!
[06:36] <frank23> I know how to extract tars
[06:36] <kkathman> I always forget which options are for bz2s and which are for gz
[06:36] <frank23> ok.. well I'l try to figure it out with another cursor package
[06:36] <Hobbsee> i wonder if the quick and dirty method works...
[06:37] <frank23> kkathman: j for bz2 and z for gz
[06:38] <Hobbsee> ah...let us see...
[06:38] <kkathman> shows how much I do that :)
[06:38] <kkathman> hehe
[06:38] <Hobbsee> back in a sec...
[06:38] <Hobbsee> testing if this works...
[06:40] <Hobbsee> darn, that's a pain
[06:40] <frank23> Hobbsee: I found how
[06:40] <Hobbsee> got another idea though...
[06:40] <Hobbsee> :D
[06:40] <Hobbsee> ah ha!
[06:40] <frank23> copy cursors directory to  .icons/pinux/
[06:40] <Hobbsee> you can stick it in
[06:40] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:40] <Hobbsee> which is precisely what i just tried lol
[06:41] <frank23> Hobbsee: hmm.. still doesn't work
[06:41] <Hobbsee> frank23: then restart kde?
[06:41] <Hobbsee> frank23: then go in and select the theme
[06:42] <frank23> Hobbsee: now I got it!
[06:42] <Hobbsee> :D
[06:43] <Hobbsee> did you want to copy that theme, so it's used in firefox and thunderbird too?
[06:43] <frank23> Hobbsee: the howto shows how to do this I think
[06:44] <Hobbsee> yeah, it does
[06:44] <Hobbsee> in short, copy the two files (ie index and cursor folder) to ~/.icons/default
[06:44] <frank23> Hobbsee: ok thanks ;-)
[06:44] <frank23> all this for stupid cursors! lol
[06:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:45] <Hobbsee> it wont be so difficult next time as you'll know how to do it
[06:45] <Hobbsee> more difficult seems to be changing the kdm theme - it never works when i try, so i gave up
[06:45] <Hobbsee> and the breezy one is nicer than the hoary one, anywya
[06:55] <azertyuuu> hey all, if i use Adept to install packages, it downloads always from Belgian websites (be.archive.kubuntu) , and usually, i get error that some files aren't found. Can i change the location
[06:55] <Hobbsee> azertyuuu: sure, kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:56] <Hobbsee> azertyuuu: then change it from there
[06:56] <kkathman> Hobbsee: what is kdesu?
[06:56] <azertyuuu> and do you know good servers
[06:56] <Hobbsee> !kdesu
[06:56] <ubotu> Use kdesu to run applications with root priveleges, when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.
[06:56] <kkathman> ahh
[06:56] <Hobbsee> kkathman: i keep getting told off for it lol
[06:56] <Hobbsee> !mirrors
[06:56] <ubotu> methinks mirrors is repository mirrors can be found through http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[06:56] <frank23> azertyuuu: I use canada (ca)
[06:56] <Hobbsee> !tell azertyuuu about mirrors
[06:56] <kkathman> I always use sudo gedit
[06:56] <frank23> azertyuuu: I never had problems with them
[06:57] <kkathman> force of habit
[06:57] <Hobbsee> yeah, but that assumes you have gnome
[06:57] <kkathman> yah true
[06:57] <kkathman> I do
[06:57] <Hobbsee> i use the au mirrors here, as that's where i am
[06:57] <kkathman> cuz I dont like NOT having a backup GUI
[06:57] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:58] <Hobbsee> who needs a backup GUI?  there's a console
[06:58] <Hobbsee> if you really get stuck, you can just install an extra GUI from there...
[06:58] <dmlinux> Hey guys, anyone here a amaroK expert?
[06:58] <kkathman> LOL
[06:58] <Hobbsee> dmlinux: no, but no one will have a chance of answering till you ask
[06:59] <dmlinux> On amaroK my window the the left with all the suggested songs, and ratings and stuff dissappeared, anyon eknow the hot key to bring it back up
[06:59] <Hobbsee> dmlinux: do you have amarok in the tray?
[07:00] <kkathman> Hobbsee: you mean the alt 1, alt 2 etc?
[07:00] <dmlinux> Hobbsee yes i have the window open atm
[07:00] <kkathman> or the virtual desktops?
[07:00] <Hobbsee> kkathman: virtual desktops
[07:00] <kkathman> Yah I have 8 of them
[07:00] <Hobbsee> kkathman: the nice things with scrolling black text lol
[07:00] <Hobbsee> ah, no, not that
[07:00] <Hobbsee> i meant virtual consoles, sorry
[07:00] <Hobbsee> the ones without the GUI
[07:00] <kkathman> ahh so the alt-1 alt-2 thing
[07:01] <kkathman> why dont you just use Konsole
[07:01] <Hobbsee> i do sometimes
[07:01] <kkathman> you can have multiples of those
[07:01] <Hobbsee> it's quicker to hit the hotkey than to fire up a console
[07:01] <kkathman> I keep a Konsole always up in my #1 virtual desktop
[07:01] <Hobbsee> esp if my fingers are already on the keys and not the touchpad
[07:02] <dmlinux> anyone know how to get the window up in amarok that tells me ratings, and has the album art , and other info up
[07:02] <Hobbsee> dmlinux: is it somewhere in the options menu?
[07:02] <dmlinux> hobbsee i dont see it
[07:02] <frank23> does anyone have files disappearing from the amrok playlist after you double click them?
[07:02] <kkathman> like I said, keep one up on your virt desktop...its scrollable :)
[07:02] <Hobbsee> *settings, configure amarok
[07:02] <Hobbsee> kkathman: that is true
[07:02] <dmlinux> hobsee awe crap found it
[07:02] <dmlinux> hobbsee thanks lol im an ijiot
[07:02] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:02] <Hobbsee> dont worry, all of us have idiot questions at some point
[07:02] <dmlinux> thanks all :)
[07:03] <dmlinux> im a gnome user :( so
[07:03] <kkathman> I dont know if there is a hotkey that switches between virtual desktops
[07:03] <dmlinux> i like the bar on top and bar on bottom , thats the only reason i still use GNOME
[07:03] <dmlinux> i have KDE stuff floating on memory,
[07:03] <azertyuuu> this is the best repository i guess http://archive.ubuntu.com
[07:03] <azertyuuu> not ?
[07:03] <Hobbsee> kkathman: there is if you set one :P
[07:04] <dmlinux> back to #ubuntu  :)
[07:04] <Hobbsee> lol
[07:04] <frank23> dmlinux: you can put bars where you want in kde too
[07:04] <frank23> too late
[07:04] <Hobbsee> i cant stand having two bars
[07:04] <sampan> me either
[07:05] <azertyuuu> this is the best repository i guess http://archive.ubuntu.com
[07:05] <Hobbsee> and the stuff all doesnt fit on one, in gnome, i find
[07:05] <sampan> i -hate- that about gnome
[07:05] <kkathman> Shoot Ive been working in KDE too long...I forget all those command line things AHHHH!!!
[07:05] <Hobbsee> kkathman: LOL
[07:05] <Hobbsee> kkathman: you only need to know some of them
[07:05] <Hobbsee> azertyuuu: yeah, most people will use that
[07:05] <kkathman> fortunately I have my trusty Linux Bible right here!!
[07:05] <frank23> what made me switch to kde was that I hated nautilus though
[07:05] <sampan> is the us.archive still down?
[07:06] <azertyuuu> so is replace http://be.archive.ubuntu.com with http://archive.ubuntu.com
[07:06] <Hobbsee> kkathman: hehe
[07:06] <azertyuuu> can i do that ?
[07:07] <frank23> azertyuuu: yes
[07:07] <frank23> or switch to another country
[07:07] <kkathman> Hobbsee: Does Ubuntu use the standard ctrl-alt-F1, F2 etc for the virtual consoles?
[07:07] <Hobbsee> yuck...artsd is chugging today on my machine!  must fix that!
[07:07] <Hobbsee> yes
[07:07] <Hobbsee> well, does here, and i havent changed the defaults mostly
[07:08] <frank23> kkathman: yes
[07:08] <kkathman> Hobbsee: i thought you were running the beta2
[07:08] <kkathman> frank23: so is there a quick hotkey that will move between virtual desktops in KDE then?
[07:09] <frank23> kkathman: win+f1 , f2....
[07:09] <frank23> but my shortcuts may not be standard
[07:10] <kkathman> yah its not standard :)
[07:10] <frank23> anybody knows what the key next to the right win key does? I never got it...
[07:10] <azertyuuu> THANX ALL
[07:10] <kkathman> standard is Ctrl-F1, F2
[07:10] <azertyuuu> kubuntu updates without probs now
[07:12] <stbain> greetings all
[07:12] <Hobbsee> well that was a little inconvenient!
[07:12] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  what?
[07:12] <Hobbsee> kkathman: i was running beta2, then reinstalled as it was very unstable
[07:13] <kkathman> yah... mistake for sure
[07:13] <kkathman> I think it was premature to release that
[07:13] <Hobbsee> well, amarok wasnt really playing correctly, tried changing some settings in system settings, machine locked up, including virtual terminals, had to hit power button
[07:13] <Hobbsee> yeah, which is odd
[07:13] <Hobbsee> beta 1 gave most people no problems at all
[07:13] <kkathman> Hobbsee: beta2 has all kinds of problems with artsd
[07:13] <Hobbsee> yeah, i know...
[07:14] <stbain> is anyone else getting an error trying to apt-get update where us.archive.ubuntu.com resolves to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[07:14] <Hobbsee> it took ages for someone to tell me how to get rid of it!
[07:14] <kkathman> get rid of artsd?
[07:14] <kkathman> lol
[07:14] <azertyuuu> stbain, i use archive.ubuntu.com
[07:14] <kkathman> I had an interesting question today....can you uninstall Open Office?? Cuz I dont think you can
[07:15] <kkathman> it prompts to uninstall kubuntu-desktop!
[07:15] <azertyuuu> stbain, try this kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list   and remove the "us" before "archive.ubuntu.com"
[07:15] <kkathman> my us archives seem to work fine
[07:15] <kkathman> but I dont know for sure I guess
[07:15] <stbain> Odd.... check it out: Cannot initiate the connection to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[07:16] <stbain> same error for us.archive.ubuntu.com
[07:16] <azertyuuu> don't know
[07:16] <frank23> kkathman: uninstalling kubuntu-desktop is not the end of the world (although you should have it in for a dist-upgrade)
[07:16] <frank23> stbain: that is not the right IP for sure
[07:16] <kkathman> yah my us archives are working fine...just checked
[07:16] <sampan> stbain, sounds like a dns problem with your isp
[07:16] <stbain> ping us.archive.ubuntu.com gives me "connect: Invalid argument"
[07:17] <stbain> heh
[07:17] <kkathman> frank23: OH I know
[07:17] <sampan> i get 22:  caesar.acc.umu.se (<IP_ADDRESS>)  when i tracepath to us.archive.ubuntu.com
[07:17] <kkathman> I just though it odd that you cant remove Open Office1 or 2
[07:17] <stbain> heh... check out the A record from dig: us.archive.ubuntu.com.  10000   IN      A       <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:18] <frank23> kkathman: in breezy openoffice1 is not in kubuntu-desktop though
[07:18] <stbain> dang... I was soooo looking forward to using Kubuntu for work in the morning (first time installing it)
[07:18] <Tm_T> frank23: why you need openoffice1 ?
[07:18] <frank23> Tm_T: I don't
[07:18] <Tm_T> ok
[07:18] <Tm_T> then remove it
[07:19] <regeya> no joke.  openoffice2 is a definite improvement
[07:19] <frank23> Tm_T: I did
[07:19] <azertyuuu> hey all, i heard that OOo 2 final is out, and i want it. Do i have to remove the standard version (beta) first and download the newest with adept or what ?
[07:20] <Tm_T> azertyuuu: I don't think adept has it yet
[07:20] <frank23> azertyuuu: it will eventually be in breezy-backports... until then I'm not sure what is the best way to install
[07:20] <azertyuuu> ok
[07:21] <aaronjs> well....  3rd attempt to install kubuntu on my server...  Keeps failing.   The log it tells me to check does not exist.   The disk checks out as being good. I've used the same disk in teh same drive to install on the other systems.  The system is a dual athlon ASUS mobo.
[07:22] <aaronjs> doh.  Hobbsee you  missed my question.  lol
[07:22] <kkathman> frank23: well remember I upgraded from hoary, which had OO1...so now I have both :(
[07:22] <Hobbsee> *sigh*
[07:22] <frank23> kkathman: I did too but you can remove OO1 now
[07:22] <Hobbsee> aaronjs: sorry, what?  what'd i miss?
[07:22] <aaronjs> well....  3rd attempt to install kubuntu on my server...  Keeps failing.   The log it tells me to check does not exist.   The disk checks out as being good. I've used the same disk in teh same drive to install on the other systems.  The system is a dual athlon ASUS mobo.
[07:23] <Hobbsee> every once in a while system settings will crash in trying to change the sound, then it goes away - never found out why
[07:23] <Hobbsee> hence the crash
[07:23] <Hobbsee> es
[07:23] <aaronjs> disable the sound then?
[07:23] <kkathman> frank23: how can you remove it...when you try, it wants to delete oo2
[07:23] <aaronjs> until after install, Hobbsee?
[07:23] <kkathman> I mean kubuntu
[07:23] <Hobbsee> aaronjs: sorry, i was meaning that was why i went awol, and had to reboot
[07:24] <aaronjs> ah
[07:24] <stbain> hrmmm... I'm not sure, but I think my fresh kubuntu install has some networking issues. It's resolving ubuntu.com addresses to <IP_ADDRESS>. Perhaps I need to disable IPv6 or something?
[07:24] <Hobbsee> aaronjs: where and why does it fail?
[07:25] <Hobbsee> hehe...someone in ubuntu saying that xkill isnt graphical
[07:25] <aaronjs> Hobbsee: during the install of the base system.   on the third try, it is getting further.   it asked me which kernel I wanted to instal.  I'm begining to think it doesn't know what to do with the smp.
[07:25] <Hobbsee> well, it's point and click, that would make it graphical wouldnt it?
[07:26] <kkathman> lol
[07:27] <frank23> kkathman: you can remove the openoffice.org packages except openoffice.org-debian-files
[07:27] <aaronjs> well... xkill isn't the most polished graphically...
[07:27] <Hobbsee> with the smp?
[07:27] <kkathman> Hobbsee: so do you know how to remove OOffice1 ?
[07:27] <kkathman> frank23: says you can
[07:27] <kkathman> but I dunno
[07:28] <Hobbsee> it's still more graphical than killall whatever, or top
[07:28] <Hobbsee> kkathman: sudo apt-get remove openoffice.org
[07:28] <kkathman> Hobbsee: when you do that, it will want to remove kubuntu-desktop
[07:28] <Hobbsee> kkathman: you can do that, it's a metapackage
[07:28] <azertyuuu> is it also possible with  "dpkg -r O..."  ?
[07:28] <kkathman> thats what I keep saying :)
[07:29] <Hobbsee> um...probably possible, but more painful
[07:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Hobbsee
[07:29] <frank23> kkathman: what version of kubuntu-desktop do you have?
[07:30] <aftertaf> hi all
[07:30] <Hobbsee> frank23: hoary, clearly
[07:30] <frank23> kkathman: openoffice.org is now in universe. it should not be needed
[07:30] <kkathman> hmmm I wonder why my console doesnt have colors anymore..thats something I just noticed
[07:30] <Hobbsee> hi aftertaf :D
[07:30] <Hobbsee> hi Kamping_Kaiser :D
[07:30] <kkathman> hey aftertaf :)
[07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi aftertaf :)
[07:30] <aftertaf> hi everyone :)
[07:30] <kkathman> I dont need it :)
[07:30] <kkathman> hehe
[07:30] <Hobbsee> konsole having colours?
[07:30] <aftertaf> what a wonderful welcome......
[07:30] <Hobbsee> hmmm...i like that idea
[07:30] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:31] <kkathman> Hobbsee: yah... ya know...blues and greens
[07:31] <Hobbsee> you're obviously here enough that you're recognised
[07:31] <aftertaf> hehe
[07:31] <Hobbsee> kkathman: ooh pretty...maybe i'll have to do that with my virtual terminals
[07:31] <kkathman> was that way in hoary but not now :(
[07:31] <Hobbsee> kkathman: hang on, which are you running?
[07:31] <Hobbsee> hoary or breezy?
[07:31] <kkathman> breezy
[07:32] <Hobbsee> which did you want to remove?
[07:32] <Hobbsee> open office 1 or 2?
[07:32] <kkathman> I remember vaguely there is a colors file somewhere that shows symlinks in a color, and functions in another.etc
[07:32] <kkathman> Hobbsee: I want to get rid of OO1...cuz I have Koffice and OO2
[07:32] <Hobbsee> kkathman: then sudo apt-get remove openoffice.org
[07:32] <Hobbsee> kkathman: nice, i'll go look for it
[07:32] <Hobbsee> later
[07:33] <kkathman> I miss my colors in my Konsole :(
[07:33] <sampan> the upgrade nuked them?
[07:33] <kkathman> yah
[07:33] <sampan> can you get them back by settings --> schema ?
[07:34] <kkathman> nah..I mean in the Konsole
[07:34] <sampan> my konsole is colorized, so you should be able to get them back
[07:34] <kkathman> or Console
[07:34] <kkathman> yah I
[07:34] <kkathman> I would think so...but I gotta figure out how
[07:34] <sampan> or do you mean the virtual console?  or the app?
[07:35] <Hobbsee> oh..
[07:35] <sampan> my konsole app is colorized, but i dunno about the virtual-consoles ... i never use them since i run irssi in konsole and just have a couple extra konsole tabs behind it
[07:36] <Hobbsee> ooh pretty
[07:36] <Hobbsee> pity i just made mine unreadable lol
[07:36] <sampan> lol hate it when that happens
[07:36] <aaronjs> not sure how kubuntu works, but if you loose colorized output, sounds like the skel for the master user might need to be copied over to the user that lost the color.
[07:37] <kkathman> sampan: I dont even have colors in my Konsole, or in the virtual consoles either
[07:37] <Hobbsee> very pretty :D
[07:37] <aaronjs> isn't that stuff in .bash_rc or .profile or something (depending on dist)
[07:37] <Hobbsee> i'd love all the different commands in different colours, like ls does...
[07:38] <sampan> kkathman, hrmmmm ... that's not good  :(   some file get misplaced in the upgrade?
[07:39] <sampan> aaronjs  forgive an uber-noob question, but what is "skel"?
[07:40] <kkathman> yah I dunno
[07:40] <kkathman> there is some file that must be missing
[07:40] <kkathman> this is like a thing with me now... I must fix this!
[07:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:41] <Hobbsee> kkathman has decided!
[07:41] <aaronjs> sampan: the skeleton/foundation for creating the structure of a users home directory (or anythign for that matter)
[07:41] <sampan> well my .bashrc does have lines for formatting color output (ls command)
[07:41] <sampan> ahhh, thanks aaronjs
[07:41] <aaronjs> sampan: as well, it should. :)
[07:42] <aaronjs> sampan: you can look for files of custom ones on the net, and get _really_ crazy.
[07:43] <sampan> lol i'm sure there are some funky ones out there
[07:43] <kkathman> hmmm Hobbsee I think its a bashrc issue
[07:43] <Hobbsee> right
[07:44] <aaronjs> kkathman: just have someone query you and paste their bashrc
[07:44] <aaronjs> , or pull it from svn/cvs... whatever Ubuntu uses.
[07:45] <aaronjs> ooops...
[07:45] <aaronjs> whatever kubuntu uses.
[07:46] <aaronjs> kkathman: did it work?
[07:46] <aaronjs> kkathman: I imagine you will have to source .bashrc in order to get it to reload it. :)
[07:47] <kkathman> where is .bashrc  in etc?
[07:47] <aaronjs> kkathman: do a ls -la in your ~ (home) dir.
[07:47] <kkathman> ahh stupid me...of course!!
[07:48] <aaronjs> kkathman: no, not stupid.
[07:48] <aaronjs> kkathman: if it wasn't htere, I believe you would default to the one in /usr/share or something...
[07:48] <aaronjs> so, you are right.
[07:48] <aaronjs> there exists elsewhere the same file
[07:49] <aaronjs> <usually coppied as part of teh skeleton for a new user setup>
[07:49] <aaronjs> do a sudo locate -u and then type locate .bashrc and you'll find out really quick where they all are. ;)
[07:53] <aaronjs> kkathman: perhaps you could sudo cp /etc/skel/.bashrc to your home directory.
[07:53] <kkathman> aaronjs: in my bashrc the color=auto wasnt set for ls...so I changed that. But I need to somehow logout and log back in
[07:53] <aaronjs> kkathman: nope
[07:53] <kkathman> no?
[07:53] <aaronjs> source .bashrc
[07:53] <kkathman> ahhh
[07:54] <aaronjs> see if that works
[07:54] <aaronjs> if not, close the console, and open it back up.
[07:54] <aaronjs> it should source each time you start it.
[07:54] <aaronjs> "konsole" I assume.
[07:54] <kkathman> BINGO
[07:54] <sampan> colorized!
[07:54] <aaronjs> woooooooooo whooooooooo.
[07:54] <sampan> color kkathman tickled pink!
[07:54] <aaronjs> kkathman: no you can go to bed. :)
[07:54] <Hobbsee> lol
[07:54] <aaronjs> no/ now
[07:54] <Hobbsee> screenshot?
[07:55] <kkathman> lol
[07:55] <sampan> lol hobbsee
[07:55] <Hobbsee> i want to see what it looks like lol
[07:55] <aaronjs> 4th try is a charm. :)
[07:55] <Hobbsee> aaronjs: yay!
[07:55] <Hobbsee> it is
[07:56] <aaronjs> Hobbsee: don't let people complain about not being able to install, unless they can prove they burnt their cd at sane speeds. lol
[07:56] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:56] <DaSkreech> Anyone plays with OO Base?
[07:56] <DaSkreech> Or has it? :)
[07:56] <Hobbsee> i've only ever had an install die once
[07:56] <Hobbsee> i've got oo.o2 base
[07:57] <DaSkreech> I need to test something funky I'me seeing
[07:57] <Hobbsee> sure
[07:57] <aaronjs> kkathman: if you are really retentive on the colors, check out /usr/share/doc/adduser/examples/adduser.local.conf.examples/bash.bashrc or surf the net for some addition "blinging" color files.
[07:57] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Open any database that has a field with repeated data
[07:57] <Hobbsee> um...i dont have one on here...
[07:58] <Hobbsee> a link to one?
[07:58] <DaSkreech> Just make one with one field
[07:58] <aaronjs> Hobbsee: just make one.   lol   5 seconds or so.  :)
[07:58] <Hobbsee> actually, maybe i do from last year...
[07:58] <DaSkreech> and enter the same thign on two rows
[07:58] <DaSkreech> thing
[07:59] <DaSkreech> Then do a SELECT "FieldName" FROM "Table"
[07:59] <Hobbsee> um...attempting to input data...
[08:00] <Hobbsee> eek, now you've lost me lol
[08:00] <kkathman> aaronjs: now thats quite a file!!
[08:00] <Hobbsee> i've deliberately forgotten all of the access stuff
[08:00] <DaSkreech> :-)
[08:00] <DaSkreech> ok You are on Tables?
[08:00] <kkathman> I dont particularly like the purple
[08:00] <DaSkreech> and put the same data on two rows?
[08:00] <Hobbsee> way lost...
[08:00] <kkathman> but I dont think you can set the colors per se
[08:01] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Where are you?
[08:01] <DaSkreech> Oh
[08:01] <DaSkreech> That lost :(
[08:02] <kkathman> aaronjs: do you know if you can set those colors differently?
[08:03] <strike4ce> How Do I set firefox as my default browser?
[08:03] <DaSkreech> What just happened?
[08:04] <strike4ce> How Do I set firefox as my default browser?
[08:04] <aaronjs> DaSkreech: probably a server split
[08:05] <strike4ce> net split
[08:05] <DaSkreech> well that kicked a lot of people
[08:05] <aaronjs> heh, what strike4ce said..  lol
[08:05] <aaronjs> DaSkreech: the'll be back.
[08:06] <DaSkreech> OK thats fine then
[08:06] <kkathman> every one still here?
[08:06] <DaSkreech> naolith got kicked
[08:06] <DaSkreech> and about 20 other people are presumed missing :-)
[08:07] <kkathman> oh now this is weird
[08:08] <DaSkreech> does anyone else have base and was following what I was saying?
[08:08] <Kinomees> how to exec Realplayers *.bin file ?
[08:08] <DaSkreech> Try mplayer?
[08:12] <strike4ce> How Do I set firefox as my default browser?
[08:12] <Kinomees> i have a *.bin file
[08:12] <strike4ce> How Do I set firefox as my default browser?
[08:12] <Kinomees> should be a linux installer or smth
[08:12] <DaSkreech> strike4ce: It's in Firefox's prefrences
[08:13] <Kinomees> cool netsplit :D
[08:13] <DaSkreech> It did it again
[08:13] <DaSkreech> OK lilo just pmed me
[08:13] <aftertaf> strike4ce:  stsyem settings > kde componetes
[08:14] <DaSkreech> strike4ce: got that?
[08:16] <elementarmy> can someone help with a dsl prob?
[08:17] <elementarmy> of
[08:17] <aaronjs> heh....  gooooooooooo  Freaknode.
[08:30] <mcquaid> hello is there a qt/kde app simliar to gnome's gok?  a program so you can see a keyboard overlay and 'type' with the mouse
[08:32] <kkathman> back
[08:32] <kkathman> Major internet outage here
[08:33] <kkathman> anyone here?
[08:33] <Tm_T> kkathman: no
[08:33] <kkathman> you funny guy you
[08:34] <Tm_T> kkathman: you have noticed messages in your status window?
[08:34] <Tm_T> kkathman: explains that traffic
[08:34] <kkathman> nope
[08:34] <kkathman> ??
[08:34] <kinfo> what?
[08:34] <Tm_T> about freenode and routing issues
[08:35] <kkathman> oh yeah
[08:35] <kkathman> well, for me it was an internet problem
[08:35] <Tm_T> :)
[08:35] <kkathman> southwest
[08:35] <kkathman> all of my computers went down
[08:35] <kkathman> so it wasnt just freenode
[08:35] <kkathman> no internet nothing !
[08:36] <gdiebel> kkathman, yeah weird internet stuff going on now. google wasn't working for me for about half hour!
[08:36] <kkathman> was back up in about 15 minutes
[08:36] <Tm_T> gdiebel: yup, or try use bugs.kde.org
[08:36] <kkathman> I suspect it was a simple matter of Tm_T trying to take the whole American internet down
[08:37] <Tm_T> no
[08:37] <Tm_T> kkathman: global issues here
[08:37] <kkathman> hes so quiet over there...you just wonder what he's up to
[08:37] <Tm_T> kkathman: america is just a small part of it
[08:37] <thoreauputic> it's about a dispute between level3 and cogent I believe - peering arrangements
[08:38] <Tm_T> yu
[08:38] <Tm_T> thoreauputic: no, don't blame me about it
[08:38] <kkathman> thoreauputic: well Southern US has a massive internet outage too
[08:38] <thoreauputic> Tm_T: ? you work for them?
[08:38] <Tm_T> thoreauputic: no, I work for me
[08:38] <kkathman> ahh he's a mercenary
[08:39] <Tm_T> hmh, what switch or lever I pull down next
[08:39] <kkathman> just curious..is there a way in Konversation that it could automatically identify me when I log in?
[08:39] <sampan> pull the one that says to upgrade my connection speed to 3megs down and 768 up
[08:39] <Tm_T> one ... two ... sixteen... apple
[08:39] <sampan> :X
[08:39] <thoreauputic> Tm_T: just push the big red button on the left ;-)
[08:39] <kkathman> I know you can do that in mIRC
[08:40] <Tm_T> thoreauputic: it's for netsplit in ircnet
[08:41] <sampan> kkathman  if you 'edit' the connection to freenode in konversation, there's a line for "commands"
[08:41] <sampan> i'd imagine if you put the /msg nickserv identify command in there, it would do the trick ?
[08:42] <sampan> not sure how konversation command syntax is (i use irssi), but probably pretty simple
[08:42] <kkathman> I also set up an alias
[08:42] <aftertaf> kkathman:  i think there is a chan or nickserv password zone where you can put your password
[08:42] <kkathman> man Im so spoiled from using mIRC
[08:43] <kkathman> nickserv aftertaf
[08:43] <Tm_T> :(
[08:43] <Tm_T> mIRC is pain
[08:43] <kkathman> its a /msg nickserv identify <password>
[08:43] <Tm_T> never liked it
[08:43] <kkathman> I love mIRC
[08:43] <sampan> mirc has a lot of features, but i really much prefer irssi's all text console
[08:43] <kkathman> so easy to use and VERY customizable
[08:43] <Tm_T> sampan: what features?
[08:44] <kkathman> Im going to log out and back in here and see if that server command works sampan
[08:44] <kkathman> brb
[08:44] <sampan> tm_t, it's really configurable, and easily so -- colors, sizes, fonts of individual windows, etc.  it does mp3 sound requests -- lots of things
[08:44] <kkathman> seems to have worked
[08:44] <Tm_T> sampan: I can't imagine anything what is needed and can't be done in irssi too
[08:45] <kkathman> Konversation isnt that bad at all
[08:45] <sampan> tm_t, most things i'm sure -- just a question of how many scripts and stuff you wanna load.  i don't miss mirc much, but it's a very easy to use irc client
[08:45] <kkathman> I used to op on several channels so mIRC makes that so easy
[08:45] <Kinomees> ok ... why do i need package "locales" ?
[08:46] <sampan> like i said, i'm happy to have switched to irssi -- it's a great irc client -- but it took me about 2 weeks to customize the config file so that it looked nice to me
[08:48] <Tm_T> sampan: scripts? why I should load any scripts
[08:48] <sampan> kkathman  is konversation irc only? or is it one of those multiple protocol messengers?
[08:48] <kkathman> sampan: I looked at irssi and thought it customizable but you had to work at it...shouldnt take 2 weeks :)
[08:48] <sampan> tm_t, well because without them you can't open up a url in irssi
[08:48] <kkathman> sampan: Konversation I think is ONLY IRC
[08:48] <Tm_T> sampan: why should you, it's console app
[08:49] <Tm_T> kkathman: it is
[08:49] <sampan> tm_t, because often people post interesting links and cutting/pasting is kinda a pain
[08:49] <sampan> that's going back to using a mouse -- and avoiding that is part of the whole point in having a text-only irc client
[08:49] <Tm_T> sampan: err, your terminal can do that for you
[08:50] <strike4ce> What is the command to dpkg from desktop?
[08:50] <sampan> i can't find a way to scroll up into the channel or msg text to copy/paste text without using a mouse
[08:50] <strike4ce> anyone?
[08:50] <kkathman> from desktop?? you mean console?
[08:50] <sampan> strike4ce  sudo dpkg -i nameoffile.deb
[08:50] <Tm_T> sampan: hmm, page up/page down
[08:51] <kkathman> strike4ce: dpkg -i <package name>
[08:51] <sampan> tm_t, that only scrolls the text itself, -- it doesn't let me select a specific bit of text to copy
[08:51] <sampan> my cursor is still stuck on the base line
[08:51] <Tm_T> sampan: ...
[08:51] <Tm_T> ok
[08:52] <Tm_T> I still don't see your point, but I don't mind :)
[08:52] <Tm_T> you find that as a lack, ok
[08:52] <kkathman> what time is it there Tm_T ?? around 9 or 10am?
[08:52] <Tm_T> almost 10
[08:52] <DaSkreech> 1:52 am
[08:52] <kkathman> yah here too DaSkreech
[08:53] <sampan> tm_t, i find not being able to open a url in channel/msg without using a mouse to be a lack -- yes -- so there's a very nice script that i load that lets me just type: /openurl #  and it opens it in my browser
[08:53] <sampan> you asked why i load scripts -- that's one reason why :)
[08:53] <kkathman> sampan: you dont like using a mouse?
[08:54] <sampan> kkathman, not if it's a console app ... it takes a long time to take hands off keys, move to mouse, select text (esp if it's moving fast in a chan of 100+ people) and then paste into browser
[08:54] <sampan> much faster to type /openurl #
[08:54] <kkathman> ahh see when you get older and cant remember all the commands, a mouse is nice :)
[08:55] <Tm_T> :p
[08:55] <sampan> it's really only for irc that i hate gui
[08:55] <Tm_T> older like me or kkathman here
[08:55] <sampan> it's a text medium, so my typing is faster than mousing i guess
[08:55] <kkathman> I might pull one of my linux boxes off and put Knoppix on it for grins
[08:55] <kkathman> Im the old one Tm_T  :)
[08:55] <Tm_T> kkathman: and I'm not?!
[08:55] <kkathman> no your not
[08:55] <kkathman> haha
[08:56] <Tm_T> sampan: well, to me those urls are less important
[08:56] <sampan> tm_t, yeah -- i gathered that :)  some other scripts for irssi are nice too.  the 'ls' one lets me search the chanlist for any string in nick/identd/host -- very useful at times
[08:57] <Tm_T> why hte hell I need chanlist
[08:57] <Tm_T> :p
[08:57] <sampan> well if you're opping a channel of 200 users (which i used to do), it's very important :D
[08:57] <Tm_T> nah
[08:57] <Tm_T> never done it
[08:58] <Tm_T> never will
[08:58] <kkathman> I wish there was a way to put a different background on each virtual desktop
[08:58] <Tm_T> sampan: sounds like you use quakenet
[08:58] <Tm_T> kkathman: there is
[08:58] <kkathman> instead of the same one on all
[08:58] <kkathman> REALLY???
[08:58] <kkathman> HOW?
[08:58] <Tm_T> yup
[08:58] <sampan> tm_t, actually undernet for years ... hardly there at all anymore
[08:58] <Tm_T> kkathman: you got that background dialog open?
[08:59] <kkathman> off of configure desktop?
[08:59] <Tm_T> or where ever
[08:59] <kkathman> yes
[08:59] <DaSkreech> Ah Net stopped burping :)
[08:59] <DaSkreech> Anyone hae OO base? :-)
[08:59] <Tm_T> in top of it, you see droplist
[08:59] <kkathman> ISEE IT!! KEWL!!
[08:59] <kkathman> HOWD I MISS THAT!
[08:59] <sampan> lol
[08:59] <Tm_T> Setting for desktops:
[08:59] <Tm_T> -s
[08:59] <Tm_T> there's your answer
[09:00] <sampan> funny how the littlest things sometimes -- i accidentally turned off icon in apps' menus
[09:00] <sampan> holy moly, took me HOURS to find how to turn them back on again
[09:00] <kkathman> ahh it doesnt work tho :(
[09:00] <sampan> maybe you have to restart kde?
[09:01] <Tm_T> no!
[09:01] <Tm_T> kkathman: are you sure you pressed "apply" after every change?
[09:01] <Tm_T> I don't think it's required but make things more sure
[09:02] <kkathman> Ahh ok it works
[09:03] <sampan> that's what i love about kde -- everything is tweakable -- choice is almost overwhelming at times (esp. after using windows where so little is customizable), but it's hard to deal with gnome where everything feels so straightjacketed
[09:07] <kkathman> I need a really black or neutral background for my console and various other things for the other desktops
[09:08] <sampan> use a lot of virtual desktops?
[09:08] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:08] <Tm_T> 8 here
[09:08] <raphink> 12 here
[09:08] <raphink> :)
[09:08] <sampan> sheesh ... 2
[09:08] <raphink> lol
[09:08] <raphink> I run all my programs full screen, on different desktops :)
[09:09] <sampan> my needs are simple i guess
[09:09] <raphink> Kaiser_Away: :D
[09:09] <DaSkreech> Straight Konsole *cough* I mean console for me
[09:09] <Kaiser_Away> :)
[09:10] <sampan> i think the last time i used an app in full screen it was photoedting for a bonsai book like 4 years ago :/
[09:10] <raphink> Kaiser_Away: few people do that
[09:10] <raphink> but I find it so great to run all programs full screens :)
[09:10] <raphink> and just have one task = one screen
[09:10] <raphink> :)
[09:10] <Kaiser_Away> raphink: then you know where it is, and its 'glance' able as well :D
[09:10] <raphink> yes
[09:11] <raphink> I always know that Konversation is always open on desktop 6
[09:11] <raphink> konqui on 2
[09:11] <raphink> konsole on 4
[09:11] <raphink> etc.
[09:11] <raphink> so I can just ctrl+Fx to access any program I use very often
[09:11] <DaSkreech> raphink: Get yakuake
[09:11] <raphink> and it helps focusing on what I'm doing to hvae the program taking the whole screen
[09:11] <sampan> i guess i just use overlapping windows, but i don't fret them much, just switch alt-tab to whichever i want at any moment
[09:12] <raphink> how will that help me DaSkreech ?
[09:12] <DaSkreech> One less desktop to dust
[09:12] <raphink> sampan: that's what I do when I need several windows on the same desktops
[09:12] <raphink> if I need several programs to achieve one task
[09:12] <sampan> makes sense
[09:12] <raphink> DaSkreech: what's wrong with having lots of desktops ?
[09:13] <kkathman> well its after 2am...Im off to bed...cyall tomorrow :)
[09:13] <sampan> night kkathman
[09:13] <kkathman> nighters :)
[09:19] <hussam> guys check this out http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/debian.jpg
[09:20] <aftertaf> loooool
[09:20] <aftertaf> would you like fries :]
[09:21] <hussam> aftertaf: Ubuntu, http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/ubuntu.jpg
[09:22] <aftertaf> :]
[09:22] <Tm_T> hussam: who cares, that's really old "joke"
[09:23] <aftertaf> new to me...
[09:23] <hussam> Tm_T: I know it's old, but I'm bored and things seem funnier when I'm bored lol :)
[09:23] <Tm_T> :(
[09:23] <hussam> Tm_T: It's the first time I see it too
[09:24] <DaSkreech> Anyone have OO.o base and 15 minutes?
[09:25] <aftertaf> lol
[09:26] <Tm_T> if I have base but no 15min?
[09:26] <Tm_T> I'm ok then?
[09:27] <Tm_T> or no base but 15min?
[09:27] <DaSkreech> Sure
[09:27] <Tm_T> or, grey hair and no teeth?
[09:27] <DaSkreech> If you have a database with repeated data
[09:27] <Tm_T> ;)
[09:27] <_manveru> are there any known issues concerning amaroK on kubuntu 5.10 ?
[09:27] <Tm_T> manveru: yes
[09:27] <Tm_T> worrrrrrking great <3
[09:27] <_manveru> -.-
[09:28] <_manveru> i got 2 kubuntu-boxes here, both give me no sound
[09:28] <_manveru> i mean, they do, but not in amaroK
[09:29] <Tm_T> check a) your installed plugins
[09:29] <Tm_T> b) amarok engine selection
[09:30] <_manveru> well, i have installed everything that was related to amarok
[09:30] <_manveru> the xine, artsd, gstreamer plugins
[09:30] <raphink> _manveru: did you install the mp3 codecs?
[09:30] <_manveru> ?
[09:30] <raphink> !w32codecs
[09:30] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats deb to download: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[09:30] <_manveru> !
[09:30] <ubotu> No idea, _manveru
[09:30] <raphink> hmm sorry that's another thing
[09:30] <raphink> !codecs
[09:30] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:31] <raphink> mp3 is not a free format, and thus not included in the basic ubuntu install
[09:31] <_manveru> hell, like suse in it's early years...
[09:31] <raphink> you have to install them
[09:31] <_manveru> and why does JuK play them?
[09:31] <Tm_T> different engine
[09:32] <Hhhhh> !codecs
[09:32] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:32] <Hhhhh> !codecs
[09:32] <Hhhhh> ;)
[09:33] <strike4ce> How do I open a file with alien?
[09:33] <strike4ce> Is alien supposed to be on my desktop?
[09:33] <mornfall> i have updated the adept 2.0 feature list on http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html -- comments?
[09:33] <thoreauputic> strike4ce: 1) you don't - you use alien to convert rpms  2) no
[09:34] <DaSkreech> 1.) Get beamed up with or without your will
[09:34] <strike4ce> thoreauputic: what the?
[09:34] <mornfall> i'd say you shouldn't use alien unless you know what it does and how it works =)
[09:34] <thoreauputic> !info alien
[09:34] <ubotu> alien: (install non-native packages with dpkg), section admin, is optional. Version: 8.53 (breezy), Packaged size: 112 kB, Installed size: 288 kB
[09:34] <strike4ce> thoreauputic: What should I use to convert the rpm file?
[09:35] <_manveru> so it is a ubuntu-problem after all
[09:35] <thoreauputic> strike4ce: why are you using rpm?
[09:35] <_manveru> would be nice to have a short message during the installation or something
[09:35] <strike4ce> to install a ati driver
[09:35] <thoreauputic> !ati
[09:35] <ubotu> methinks ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[09:35] <thoreauputic> strike4ce: ^^^^
[09:35] <_manveru> !mp3
[09:35] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, a non-free format. Restricted formats' installation instructions can be found on the RestrictedFormats page of the wiki - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats - click away:)
[09:35] <mornfall> oh yey binary formats
[09:36] <mornfall> err, drivers
[09:36] <mornfall> that mp3 thing got me confused
[09:36] <mornfall> *sigh*
[09:36] <mornfall> what about that feature list?
[09:36] <mornfall> anyone care to comment?
[09:36] <_manveru> what features?
[09:36] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[09:36] <DaSkreech> well no But I have a question
[09:37] <mornfall> hmh
[09:37] <DaSkreech> mornfall: Can the konsole be hidden in such a way that if it's gone and a question comes up that is put into a pop up dialog box?
[09:37] <mornfall> _manveru: http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html look down adept 2.0 planned feature list
[09:37] <mornfall> DaSkreech: it'd be nice if you would read the list first =)
[09:38] <mornfall> from the page, "make it possible to hide the konsole somehow, unless it's needed for user interaction (and show progressbar for dpkg)"
[09:38] <mornfall> ah, also forget popups
[09:38] <mornfall> popups are evil
[09:39] <strike4ce> thoreauputic: ATI has a driver for linux I dont want the flgrx driver
[09:39] <_manveru> mornfall: how about dpkg-reconfigure ?
[09:39] <mornfall> _manveru: "how about" == ?
[09:39] <mornfall> _manveru: if you want that in, file a wishlist on bugs.kde.org :))
[09:39] <_manveru> ^^
[09:39] <_manveru> just wanted to hear your thoughts
[09:40] <_manveru> but, every feature of dpkg would be nice...
[09:40] <_manveru> and in the end you are in the console...
[09:40] <thoreauputic> strike4ce: *shrug* I don't see how we can support proprietary drivers - the instructions are on the web page I guess
[09:40] <_manveru> :)
[09:40] <DaSkreech> mornfall: I did
[09:41] <DaSkreech> mornfall: So the konsole would ... flash when it needs attention?
[09:41] <mornfall> DaSkreech: do what?
[09:42] <DaSkreech> Well you say it should hide unless user interaction is needed and you are against it popping up so whats the other options?
[09:42] <mornfall> DaSkreech: more like there would be a progress bar and the konsole would be hidden (maybe just showing what's going on in some detail, but less detail than normal dpkg) -- konsole would replace the view if demanding attention
[09:42] <DaSkreech> hmm
[09:42] <mornfall> like currently download and konsole switch places
[09:42] <mornfall> but i'm not sure what's everybody's complaint about the konsole, either
[09:43] <Tm_T> Konsole <3
[09:43] <DaSkreech> It's bulky for most people I guess
[09:43] <mornfall> bulky?
[09:43] <Tm_T> whatta
[09:43] <DaSkreech> Sit with your grandmother while she uses the computer some time ;)
[09:43] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: define
[09:43] <Tm_T> err err
[09:43] <Tm_T> ok, I'm not granny
[09:43] <DaSkreech> Things like that scare her
[09:43] <mornfall> DaSkreech: grandmothers generally don't install software -- they call their grandson if they need that
[09:43] <DaSkreech> They do Updates though
[09:44] <mornfall> DaSkreech: maybe, but there's no way we can guarantee the update will go flawlessly
[09:44] <Tm_T> mornfall: err, yes you can
[09:44] <mornfall> DaSkreech: and hiding any hint of what went wrong from the user is probably not the smartest idea, ever
[09:44] <mornfall> Tm_T: hmm? =)
[09:44] <Tm_T> :)
[09:45] <mornfall> can't, period :)
[09:45] <mornfall> things break
[09:45] <Tm_T> mornfall: quarantee is you in the other end of telephone wire
[09:45] <mornfall> Tm_T: in a program, huh
[09:45] <Tm_T> ah!
[09:46] <Tm_T> then
[09:46] <mornfall> Tm_T: if i could embed myself into code, you would have a decent automated system administrator ;-)
[09:46] <Tm_T> mornfall: please do ;)
[09:46] <mornfall> hmm, it would also rewrite itself on occasion
[09:46] <mornfall> sometimes in a somewhat exotic languages like scheme or common lisp... or ruby ;-)
[09:47] <Tm_T> what about very exotic C++ ?
[09:47] <mornfall> C++ is not exotic :p
[09:47] <Tm_T> :(
[09:47] <Tm_T> mornfall: go to bookstore
[09:47] <mornfall> well, i don't count moronic languages like java :p
[09:47] <Tm_T> mornfall: atleast here they say "noone is using it"
[09:48] <Tm_T> mornfall: and no C++ bibles available, what a laugh
[09:48] <mornfall> well, tough luck
[09:48] <mornfall> it's just a language
[09:49] <_jaypee> does anyone have amarok .deb package?
[09:49] <_jaypee> version 1.3.3
[09:49] <mornfall> bahmpf
[09:50] <_manveru> ruby is not exotic :)
[09:50] <DaSkreech> D is exotic
[09:50] <_manveru> yeah... still
[09:52] <Kinomees> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed
[09:52] <Kinomees> what to do ?
[09:52] <Kinomees> cant install again
[09:52] <Kinomees> says i have to reconf it
[09:52] <mornfall> D, uh
[09:52] <_manveru> !java
[09:52] <ubotu> I heard java is to install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadeb
[09:53] <mornfall> wasn't D another parody on C++?
[09:55] <_manveru> no, actually it's quite good (that is what i have been told by some guys who use it)
[09:55] <_manveru> it's a kind of sanitized C++ to make it really OO and some additional stuff
[09:56] <_manveru> !flash
[09:56] <ubotu> I guess flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:56] <_manveru> duh...
[09:56] <mornfall> OO is so 80s :-)
[09:56] <_manveru> channel.delete(:mornfall)
[09:56] <_manveru> ^^
[09:57] <mornfall> in that comparison of languages on digitalmars, they *should* have considered libgc (boehm) for C and C++
[09:57] <_manveru> maybe some day there will something better, but there is nothing new since the 80s...
[09:58] <mornfall> OO is overrated
[09:59] <_manveru> btw, any idea why both 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree' and 'sudo apt-get install realplayer' doesn't work?
[09:59] <_manveru> there are no pkgs for them, and i _have_ universe
[09:59] <mornfall> *and* D has no m-i
[09:59] <_manveru> well, in the case that OO is overrated, i really love to play around with it
[10:00] <_manveru> and having fun is one of the most important aspects of programming
[10:00] <DaSkreech> I thought hacking it ot the man was one of the most important
[10:01] <mornfall> what. the. fuck.
[10:01] <mornfall> how can you say that contract programming is a language feature
[10:01] <mornfall> anything with an assert can do that
[10:02] <mornfall> okey, class invariants are an interesting feature...
[10:03] <_ben> ...umm can anyone help out a vaio user?
[10:05] <DaSkreech> *burns OO.o 2.0 on a unholy pyre*
[10:05] <DaSkreech> Right I'm off
[10:06] <mornfall> heh
[10:10] <fate00> why doesn't the proftpd package with work inetd?
[10:11] <blarf> does kubuntu have packages for vixie cron?
[10:11] <fate00> blarf: look
[10:12] <blarf> fate00: I did, and I didn't see any
[10:12] <blarf> seems like quite a glaring omission
[10:14] <fate00> I have no idea what vixie cron is
[10:14] <blarf> paul vixie's version of the cron daemon
[10:14] <fate00> cron?
[10:17] <blarf> ugh
[10:18] <nikkia> blarf, fcron is better :)
[10:19] <blarf> nikki_a: I would agree with you simply on the basis that the out of the box kubuntu install is, quite broken for me.
[10:22] <nalioth> nikkia: where you been?
[10:22] <nikkia> nalioth: nowhere, why?
[10:22] <nalioth> havent seen/chatted with you lately
[10:23] <blarf> ack
[10:23] <blarf> wtf
[10:23] <blarf> how is "America/Los_Angeles"'s timezone 'UTC'
[10:24] <sampan> heh i had that problem too blarf
[10:24] <sampan> lemme see if i can find the webpage for the fix
[10:24] <blarf> ah, don't worry about it
[10:24] <blarf> I'm just whining
[10:25] <sampan> lol
[10:25] <blarf> I'm going to find a different distro tomorrow
[10:25] <sampan> well mine wouldn't let me re-set it
[10:25] <blarf> sampan, mine won't let me:
[10:25] <blarf> list the cront tasks or set the timezone
[10:26] <sampan> http://www.mepis.org/node/7678
[10:26] <blarf> it set the default x resolution to 640x480. with no obvious way of changing it
[10:26] <blarf> no vixie-cron package, no rar package(!??)
[10:26] <sampan> somehow my kubuntu install didn't make the proper symlink with my time zone -- had to do it manually -- sounds like yours was the same way
[10:26] <blarf> probably
[10:26] <blarf> oh, and not setting a root password by default is nice
[10:27] <Kaiser_Away> blarf: rar is in multiverse iirc
[10:27] <blarf> with no obvious way to change it (have I mentioned I fucking hate sudo?).
[10:27] <sampan> that's the ubuntu way (no root -- just sudo)
[10:27] <blarf> sampan, yeah, I'm not down for that. :D
[10:27] <sampan> it's easy to enable root though
[10:27] <blarf> oh and the hot plug stuff
[10:28] <sampan> that's been fixed too
[10:28] <blarf> that's awesome, I plugged in the iPod, konq popped up two error messages
[10:28] <blarf> heh
[10:28] <sampan> i had couple problems with kubuntu -- so i ended out just doing a fresh install of ubuntu and then apt-get-ting the kubuntu-desktop
[10:28] <blarf> sampan: seems to me there should have been another release then?
[10:29] <blarf> seems to me, also, if no root logins are allowed, some way of configuring X should have been presented, before it went into kdm, or from kde
[10:29] <blarf> simply selecting the default reconfigure options for xorg gave me the proper resolution and such
[10:31] <godzero> hi hi
[10:39] <Kaiser_Away> wtf. how do you "misplace" 17 GIG of data???? i cant even find it with locate
[10:48] <jeh_work> Kaiser_Away: check the wastebasket :)
[10:49] <jeh_work> on windows i once by mistake pressed the mouse button in explorer and ended up dragging some folders somewhere. took a few hours to sort it out...
[10:50] <sampan> i deleted 6 gigs of photos once, during a drunken evening on irc :/
[10:53] <godzero> sampan: gotta hide the evidence from the wife somehow.
[10:54] <sampan> lol ... i wish those were the photos i'd have deleted
[10:55] <sampan> errr strike out the "'d have"  -- sheesh i can't type
[10:56] <godzero> if I had a nickle for every time someone forgot to del a file, then came to me for help...
[10:56] <azertyuuu> hey all, i need to replace a file , but i must be root, how can i do that ?
[10:56] <godzero> azertyuuu: sudo (what you wanna do)
[10:57] <azertyuuu> i want to copy a file
[10:57] <godzero> ssudo mv file filesnewhome
[10:57] <godzero> sudo
[10:58] <godzero> for some reason my "s" button goes wonky
[10:58] <azertyuuu> thanx
[11:00] <hettar> Anyone had any success getting NetworkManager to work with kde ??
[11:02] <godzero> never used it
[11:04] <Java_the_Hutt> Hello, is there a fix for administrator mode problem ?
[11:06] <icewt> Java_the_Hutt: you mean the problem with the button?
[11:08] <godzero> Java_the_Hutt: sudo kcontrol
[11:08] <Java_the_Hutt> icewt: no with the kontrol center
[11:08] <godzero> more a work-around
[11:08] <Java_the_Hutt> it is stupid
[11:09] <Java_the_Hutt> i mean didn't they try such a thing as a test ?
[11:09] <icewt> or kdesu kcontrol
[11:09] <Java_the_Hutt> how can i suggest kubuntu to my friends with such a bug
[11:10] <godzero> icewt: thankyou for correcting me.    yes, kdesu kcontrol
[11:10] <godzero> java_ that's a problem more with kde
[11:10] <Java_the_Hutt> I also get  unknown host errors while surfing with konqueror. Do you have such a problem ?
[11:11] <icewt> Java_the_Hutt: that's what i meant, problem with the "Administrator Mode..."-button
[11:11] <Java_the_Hutt> yeah but you are RELEASING an OS and its system settings not working
[11:11] <Java_the_Hutt> thats not understandable
[11:11] <godzero> Java_the_Hutt: unknowhost is a prob with your tcp/ip
[11:12] <Java_the_Hutt> godzero: firefox seems working on the other hand
[11:12] <Java_the_Hutt> i was just curious if this was a general problem or specific to mine
[11:12] <Java_the_Hutt> i suppose not general
[11:12] <sampan> what's the administrator button problem?
[11:13] <sampan> <-- curious
[11:13] <godzero> unknown host is a tcp/ip prob, more like the timing fixed it. The button prob is a prob that's hard to fix
[11:13] <_Tonio_> Java_the_Hutt: the administrator mode is actually causing problems with most users, using systemsettings or kcontrol anyway...
[11:13] <_Tonio_> sometimes it works, somethimes not.... no specific rules for this
[11:13] <Java_the_Hutt> sampan:  you can not go into administrator mode in systemsettings program although you enter the pass
[11:14] <_Tonio_> sampan: the problem is that you click on the button, are prompted to put your password, you validate, and then you are not are an administrator
[11:14] <_Tonio_> AKA you cannot set tome settings ;)
[11:14] <godzero> Java_the_Hutt: correct
[11:14] <sampan> ahhh, that happened to me with kubuntu yeah -- not with ubuntu + kunbuntu-desktop though
[11:15] <godzero> Java_the_Hutt: sudo kcontrol, etc... the way that kde does root doesn't work with kubuntu
[11:15] <Java_the_Hutt> ubuntu + kubuntu-desktop screwed up my gnome
[11:15] <sampan> java_the_hutt   dare i say: that's no big loss! ;)
[11:16] <godzero> arg, kdesu kcontrol
[11:16] <_Tonio_> Java_the_Hutt: but I agree to the fact that it would maybe have been better to wait a few days before releasing and ask for help and contribution on systemsettings debugging....
[11:16] <godzero> I am the proud owner of 1,000,00 brain farts.
[11:17] <_Tonio_> having bugs is not a problem, but it concerns the main administration tool......
[11:17] <godzero> It's a suprise everytime I tie my shoes correctly
[11:17] <Java_the_Hutt> _Tonio_: yeah thats more than a bug in dead
[11:18] <godzero> agreed
[11:18] <_Tonio_> Java_the_Hutt: that's a major issue.... and the problem is that appart from that kubuntu is a must have to me....
[11:18] <sampan> does it happen on upgrades from hoary-->breezy ?  or only on fresh installs?
[11:18] <godzero> all
[11:18] <_Tonio_> anyway, there are not many, many people contributing to this....
[11:18] <Java_the_Hutt> Also kubuntu offers KDE 3.5 installation in its main page. What a big mistak
[11:18] <helpme> what is that command fix dpi 75 or something to fix large windows & icons?
[11:19] <_Tonio_> bugs have been reported, so, because of opensource philosophy, if you know potential developpers that can correct this bug ;)
[11:19] <Java_the_Hutt> KDE 3.5 for kubuntu is practically not usable because it has no sound
[11:19] <_Tonio_> I'm sure the Kubutu crew would be happy to push a correcting package in breezy updates
[11:19] <godzero> Java_the_Hutt: that's news, not install
[11:19] <Java_the_Hutt> and you offer it from your main web site
[11:19] <Tm_T> Java_the_Hutt: err
[11:19] <sampan> i think i wrote a couple simple BASIC programs for my atari iie about 25 years ago -- am i a potential developer?
[11:19] <Tm_T> Java_the_Hutt: I use KDE 3.5b2 with sounds
[11:19] <Java_the_Hutt> godzero: it encourages it. It never says be careful or so
[11:20] <_Tonio_> helpme: concerning the DPI 75, edit kdmrc
[11:20] <Java_the_Hutt> Tm_T: there's arts crashing
[11:20] <Tm_T> Java_the_Hutt: I don't use arts
[11:20] <Java_the_Hutt> again a work around then
[11:20] <godzero> "beta" says be carefull, does it not?
[11:20] <Tm_T> yu
[11:20] <helpme> _Tonio_: how??
[11:20] <Tm_T> godzero: yes
[11:20] <_Tonio_> helpme: wait a second
[11:21] <Tm_T> godzero: but most of the time KDE beta releases are so good that people expect they always are
[11:21] <Java_the_Hutt> godzero: my personal opinion that page encourages. I just installed and reinstalled my whole OS.  But i am not alone
[11:22] <godzero> I guess that's possable, but not *my* experience on breezy/3.5b2
[11:22] <Tm_T> to me, beta2 is awesome <3<3
[11:22] <Tm_T> no way I'm downgrading
[11:23] <Tm_T> btw Ktorrent 1.2 is cool
[11:23] <godzero> beta2 has been a pain in the a$$
[11:24] <_Tonio_> helpme: edit kdmrc with this command : sudo kwrite /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[11:24] <_Tonio_> helpme: then search for this :
[11:24] <_Tonio_> ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp
[11:24] <_Tonio_> and add "-dpi 100"
[11:24] <_Tonio_> helpme: that will force dpi 100 instead of dpi 75
[11:25] <godzero> Ktorrentr looks good, I'm stuck on 1.0.. did you compile it?
[11:25] <pointwood> Tm_T: ktorrent 1.2? link? what's new? I'm using kde3.5beta2 and got 1.0...
[11:25] <pointwood> lots of questions :)
[11:25] <helpme> _Tonio_: thanks a lot:)
[11:25] <_Tonio_> helpme: no pb, don't forget to restart X after that
[11:26] <helpme> okie
[11:26] <Tm_T> pointwood: link is... svn
[11:26] <helpme> _Tonio_: opera is running....can i restart x without closing opera?
[11:26] <nalioth> ktorrent 1.2? wow i just got 1.1 the other day
[11:26] <_Tonio_> helpme: no
[11:26] <Tm_T> nalioth: devel stuff
[11:26] <Tm_T> ;)
[11:27] <Tm_T> godzero: compiled from trunk sources
[11:27] <nalioth> Tm_T: i'll have to go and look for the cvs link
[11:27] <Tm_T> nalioth: you mean svn
[11:27] <helpme> im downloading ubuntu iso with opera...188mb done...should i proceed? or use torrent app or something? which would be faster?
[11:28] <nalioth> Tm_T: i'm sorry i dont keep up with what project uses svn cvs or some other system. you got the point
[11:28] <Tm_T> http://ktorrent.pwsp.net/index.php?page=faq
[11:28] <_Tonio_> helpme: wait for the end..........; is that an emergency ,
[11:28] <_Tonio_> ?
[11:30] <hussam> !skype
[11:30] <ubotu> skype is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ or deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free, or breezy debs: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:32] <pointwood> nice...a lot has certainly happened between 1.0 and 1.1
[11:33] <helpme> _Tonio_: end of download? i want ubuntu rigth away:)
[11:33] <helpme> its taking long time.....at 25kbps
[11:34] <godzero> Java_the_Hutt: to answer yor qestion about "why should I recommend linux/kububtu": One anecdodel answer wold be waht I did today, I mixed some CDs together for a friend, that she couldn't do under windows.. after spending an extra $50 on some "cd coping" software.
[11:35] <godzero> It's not like windows is not with out it's bugs, nor is it capable of doing exen the most basic of tasks
[11:35] <Java_the_Hutt> ok thx but i did not ask such a question
[11:36] <Java_the_Hutt> i said i can not recommend kubuntu with such a major issue
[11:38] <godzero> I understand (I think), the admin button works under mandrake (last time I used it), why not under kubuntu? I agree it's a prob
[11:39] <godzero> but then again, I'm not one of those who think k)ubuntu is for newbees
[11:44] <sampan> when i try to configure ktorrent ... i get: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[11:44] <sampan> i have no idea what that means
[11:45] <godzero> x dev?
[11:45] <sampan> i dunno ... i have no clue (very first time trying to compile something)
[11:50] <godzero> sampan: gotta setup alot befor you compile stuff, mostly you need the *-dev stuff.. that tells the compiler how to use the library, or kernel, etc
[11:51] <sampan> yeah, i googled -- looks like a bunch of downloads :) wheeeeee
[11:52] <sampan> no biggie -- only have to download it all once i hope
[11:53] <sampan> wheeeeeeee now the qt
[11:55] <godzero> g'night all
[12:08] <kairu0> hey
[12:14] <Java_the_Hutt> Couldn't find package java-package
[12:14] <Java_the_Hutt> Hello i am trying to install JDK 1.5 but
[12:14] <Java_the_Hutt> i got the above massege while installing the java-package
[12:14] <Java_the_Hutt> seems like a repo problem
[12:15] <_Tonio_> Java_the_Hutt: did you activate the multiverse repository
[12:16] <Java_the_Hutt> I think so hold on
[12:17] <Java_the_Hutt> oh i thought i did but forgot to apply
[01:27] <bdmp> Can anyone tell me how to fix this error so I can install skype? "The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:27] <bdmp>   skype: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:<IP_ADDRESS>) but 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3 is to be installed
[01:27] <bdmp> E: Broken packages
[01:27] <bdmp> "
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> get the version thats staticaly compiled
[01:28] <bdmp> How would I do that? I don't really understand what "staticaly compiled" means.
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> download the deb from skype which is largest basicly ;)
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont use it, so im not sure what one to download exactly
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> !skype
[01:29] <ubotu> I heard skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ or deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free, or breezy debs: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:30] <bdmp> Thanks
[01:35] <kairu0> hey all
[01:36] <Kinomees> what to do if my nvidia installer complains that no sources etc can be found
[01:36] <bdmp> That faq says to download skype and the package libqt3c102-mt which is what I did before and brings me back to my original question.
[01:36] <Kinomees> they are installed
[01:36] <Kinomees> otherwise i do everything like in HOWTO
[01:38] <TheSwan> i try to use mozilla-thunderbird and it doesn't recognize me .thunderbird folder
[01:40] <Kinomees> bdmp, try force version
[01:41] <TheSwan> me - my
[01:49] <TheSwan> to the people who just signed in, i try to use mozilla-thunderbird and it doesn't recognize my .thunderbird folder
[01:58] <jbasilio> anyone know how to clean up lost+found in the menues?  mine is HUGE!
[01:58] <aftertaf> kmenuedit and put em elsewhere
[02:04] <TheSwan> to the people who just signed in, i try to use mozilla-thunderbird and it doesn't recognize my .thunderbird folder
[02:05] <Kinomees> check your preferences ... there should be folders section
[02:06] <onur> Hello  i am having serious problems with my kubuntu
[02:07] <Vide> hi
[02:07] <icewt> onur: what problems?
[02:07] <Vide> I can't install flashplayer-mozilla on my kubuntu breezy system
[02:07] <onur> Currently when i try to get into adept , it says "the adept database will be opened in read only mode"
[02:08] <onur> i can not do anything with adept
[02:08] <Vide> i'm getting this error
[02:08] <Vide> Preconfiguring packages ...
[02:08] <Vide> (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gsfonts-x11_0.17ubuntu3_all.deb (--unpack):
[02:08] <Vide>  files list file for package `kdemultimedia-kio-plugins' is missing final newline
[02:08] <Vide> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:08] <Vide> any idea?
[02:08] <icewt> onur: what if you try "kdesu adept" ?
[02:08] <onur> same
[02:09] <onur> i can not use adept
[02:09] <onur> my konqueror gives out  "unknown host"  errors %20 of the time
[02:10] <onur> and the well known systemsettings administrator mode bug
[02:10] <Vide> no one having problems with the flash plugin for mozilla?
[02:10] <icewt> well, of course it would be good to get adept to work, but you don't need it to install/upgrade stuff
[02:10] <raphink> how about another browser onur ?
[02:10] <TheSwan> Kinomees, where are the folder preferences listed?
[02:10] <onur> firefox works fine
[02:11] <aitor> need some help
[02:11] <raphink> how are you connected to the internet onur ?
[02:11] <onur> icewt: come on i have installed kubuntu 4 times today
[02:11] <icewt> onur: have you tried to run dist-upgrade? there seems to be updates to many kde-packages
[02:11] <raphink> o_O
[02:11] <onur> through a DSL modem, i have changed my location
[02:11] <aitor> Kdm won't boot, but startx goes with no problem
[02:11] <onur> i mean with several different modems, still the sme
[02:12] <aitor> someone knows why?
[02:12] <onur> dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[02:12] <onur> t says
[02:12] <Kinomees> TheSwan, mess around with the preferences window and its tabs ... you should find it ... if not ... find tunderirds conf file and look there
[02:14] <onur> i mean it is strange, most people seems happy with their kubuntu, where as i am having hard time here
[02:14] <onur> the konqueror  thing is very annoying
[02:15] <aitor> syslog output is
[02:15] <aitor> Oct 21 14:08:03 localhost kdm_config[16044] : Unrecognized key 'UseLilo' in secti
[02:15] <aitor> on [Shutdown]  at /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc:12
[02:15] <aitor> Oct 21 14:08:07 localhost kdm: :0[16046] : IO Error in XOpenDisplay
[02:15] <aitor> Oct 21 14:08:07 localhost kdm[16043] : Display :0 cannot be opened
[02:15] <aitor> Oct 21 14:08:07 localhost kdm[16043] : Unable to fire up local display :0; disabl
[02:15] <aitor> ing.
[02:15] <aitor> sorry for the flooding
[02:15] <onur> dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[02:16] <onur> sorry
[02:16] <onur> Another question,  i am having a lot of  "W: Couldn't stat source package list http://tr.archive.ubuntu..." error messages while using adept or apt-get why ?
[02:18] <onur> Anyone there ?
[02:21] <raphink> onur: seems there is a pb with this repo
[02:22] <onur> can anyone suggest me a working sources.list file for kubuntu breezy ?
[02:23] <TheSwan> ok, fyi, it appears the thunderbird team changed the location of the mail. it is now .mozilla-thunderbird. I had to delete my extensions, and also rename my .thunderbird folder. All is well.
[02:23] <raphink> I use the fr one onur
[02:24] <raphink> what country are you in?
[02:25] <aftertaf> onur, remove the tr. in front of all lines.
[02:25] <endo602> anyone up
[02:25] <endo602> for some reason when the system calls me to enter the root password
[02:25] <raphink> yep
[02:26] <endo602> after i enter it wont let me axx options
[02:26] <endo602> raphink
[02:26] <endo602> i got the system up
[02:26] <aftertaf> endo602:  put your pw, not root pw.
[02:26] <raphink> what do you mean endo602 ?
[02:27] <raphink> you never need your root passwd endo602
[02:28] <onur> my sources list file is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3403
[02:28] <endo602> i mean my password
[02:28] <raphink> ubuntu uses sudo by default
[02:28] <endo602> still wont give me the option
[02:28] <endo602> i know
[02:28] <endo602> i need to manual change my network interface
[02:28] <raphink> endo602: where ?
[02:29] <endo602> but alas i cannot go under administrator mode
[02:29] <endo602> network settings > system settings
[02:29] <raphink> onur: what is tr btw ?
[02:29] <aitor>  does any of you know how is it possible kdm won't work but startx does work?
[02:29] <manveru_> endo602: if you really want to become root 'sudo su root' does the job
[02:29] <raphink> endo602: try kdesu kcontrol
[02:30] <raphink> manveru_: sudo su
[02:30] <manveru_> ah, yeah :)
[02:30] <raphink> is enough
[02:30] <manveru_> i'm only used to use usernames in su
[02:30] <onur> Turkey  i suppose
[02:30] <raphink> ok
[02:30] <raphink> :)
[02:31] <endo602> raphink
[02:31] <manveru_> the problem with the network-menu is btw that the 'get superuser' option is on the bottom
[02:31] <endo602> it just hangs
[02:31] <manveru_> you have to make the window fullscreen to see them
[02:31] <raphink> endo602: doesnt ask for your passwd?
[02:31] <endo602> nope
[02:31] <raphink> sure the box to ask passw is not under your window?
[02:32] <raphink> onur: run apt-setup
[02:32] <endo602> positive
[02:32] <raphink> and choose sources from other countries
[02:32] <raphink> hmmm
[02:32] <raphink> endo
[02:32] <raphink> ps x | grep kcontrol
[02:32] <raphink> what do you get?
[02:33] <endo602> 7564 pts/8    R+ 0:00 grep kcontrol
[02:34] <raphink> ok
[02:34] <raphink> now
[02:34] <raphink> sudo ps x | grep kcontrol
[02:34] <onur> raphink: then what
[02:34] <raphink> then choose your sources onur
[02:35] <endo602> ok
[02:35] <onur> raphink: there comes a CD Scanner and no more
[02:35] <endo602> it said enter password
[02:35] <endo602> so i did
[02:35] <endo602> now what
[02:35] <raphink> your own pass endo602, not the root pass
[02:35] <endo602> yes
[02:35] <raphink> ok
[02:35] <endo602> my own
[02:35] <raphink> and you got nothing?
[02:35] <endo602> i got the command prompt
[02:35] <raphink> ok
[02:36] <drasko> Hi. Where I can find good book about Ubuntu or Debian?
[02:36] <manveru_> amazon.com
[02:36] <raphink> on amazon drasko ?
[02:36] <raphink> manveru_:  ;)
[02:36] <raphink> endo602: sudo kcontrol &
[02:36] <manveru_> never bought one...
[02:36] <raphink> me neither
[02:36] <raphink> never bought a linux book
[02:36] <raphink> ever
[02:36] <manveru_> i once bought one about perl... does that count?
[02:37] <raphink> could be interesting
[02:37] <raphink> hehe
[02:37] <raphink> bought once some linux magazines, does that count too manveru_ ?
[02:37] <manveru_> and the suse-manuals... they are almost the size of a book
[02:37] <manveru_> ^^
[02:37] <aftertaf> drasko:  good book? not many.... best is wiki & net pages, and getting your own doc. things differ between distros
[02:38] <manveru_> especially since ubuntu is moving that fast... it would be an outdated book when it comes out
[02:38] <manveru_> debian woody might have some...
[02:38] <drasko> Thanks, but I want to download some free book as pdf, since here in Serbia there is no way to pay outside, just in my country.
[02:39] <endo602> what should my primary group be
[02:39] <endo602> raphink can i pm?
[02:39] <aftertaf> drasko:  can be done via mule, but its nonfree ;)
[02:39] <raphink> sure endo602
[02:39] <endo602> check pm
[02:39] <manveru_> drasko: i don't think there is a book about ubuntu yet
[02:40] <raphink> what do you want to learn drasko ?
[02:40] <raphink> usage, programming, administration?
[02:41] <drasko> Well, administration is my main occupation.
[02:41] <raphink> ok
[02:41] <aftertaf> a bok on that should exist. or a good howto on the net.
[02:41] <manveru_> so start with the shell?
[02:42] <raphink> how about that drasko http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals ?
[02:42] <aftertaf> !cli
[02:42] <ubotu> rumour has it, cli is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[02:42] <manveru_> http://www.kofler.cc/ubuntu.html
[02:42] <manveru_> wow
[02:42] <manveru_> there _is_ a book
[02:43] <raphink> :)
[02:44] <raphink> drasko: there's this too http://ubuntuguide.org/
[02:46] <drasko> Thanks, I will check links right now.
[02:48] <raphink> some rehubbing they said
[02:48] <raphink> ...
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> hope the networks back together in time for the meeting
[02:48] <raphink> what meeting?
[02:48] <raphink> wb everybody
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> raphink: ubuntu-doc
[02:49] <raphink> yeah it's finished :)
[02:49] <raphink> ubuntu-doc ?
[02:49] <raphink> here?
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> yay
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, not here :P
[02:49] <raphink> on #ubuntu-doc?
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> raphink: #ubuntu-meeting
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> its not for another hour
[02:50] <raphink> ok
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> but freenode have been know to take that long to 'rehub'
[02:50] <raphink> what is it be to about?
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont know :|
[02:50] <raphink> lol
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> general stuff. im going for the first time, so im finding out ;)
[02:50] <raphink> ok
[02:59] <eyseman> hi @ll.
[02:59] <eyseman> hat mal jemand n moment zeit?
[02:59] <aftertaf> !de
[02:59] <ubotu> Bitte gehen sie nach #ubuntu-de fuer deutschsprachige hilfe
[03:00] <Riddell>  #kubuntu-de too
[03:00] <eyseman> oh sorry for that.
[03:00] <eyseman> thx. bye
[03:00] <eyseman> ah damn no one there
[03:01] <eyseman> can someone help me here with a little dual screen problem?
[03:01] <aftertaf> eyseman:  's ok... but i dont speak any .de at all..... :/
[03:03] <manveru_> eyseman: it is #kubuntu.de right?
[03:03] <manveru_> oh, no
[03:04] <manveru_> eyseman: however, i speak german and i'm on #kubuntu-de now if that helps you :)
[03:21] <luminoso> please, where can i find repositories for kubuntu 5.10?
[03:21] <jjesse> luminoso: just change your /etc/sources.list to breezy from hoary
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> !repositories
[03:21] <ubotu> sources is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[03:21] <psilva> I'm having some problems with kubuntu and ltsp, can anybody help me?
[03:21] <luminoso> thanks!!!
[03:22] <luminoso> breezy [03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep
[03:22] <luminoso> thanks
[03:25] <Java_the_Hutt> Hello i have some connection problems with Konqueror, can anyone help ?
[03:27] <manveru_> Java_the_Hutt: what do you want to connect?
[03:28] <Java_the_Hutt> I make an experiment. I type a keyword like "apple" in google. And open the first ten links in new tabs
[03:28] <Java_the_Hutt> when i do this with konqueror in 6 or 7 of the links i encounter uknown host error
[03:28] <Java_the_Hutt> when i do this with firefox i encounter only 1 with unkown host
[03:28] <Java_the_Hutt> what could be the problem ?
[03:28] <manveru_> hmm
[03:28] <manveru_> what's your dns?
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> can anyone see anything realy wrong with this find statement? it says it has nothing to execute
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser>  find ./ -type d -exec du -hs{}
[03:34] <Tm_T> that level3 issuea may affect atleast couple days
[03:43] <kkathman> good morning all (at least here its morning) :)
[03:43] <endo602> can someone help me set up my wireless netwrok?
[03:45] <kkathman> !tell endo602 about wireless
[03:45] <kkathman> !tell endo602 about ndiswrapper
[03:46] <kkathman> check your pms endo602 :)
[03:46] <kkathman> !tell me about javadeb
[03:47] <endo602> is that the only way
[03:47] <endo602> because last night i had it working fine
[03:47] <endo602> be enabling the network interface
[03:51] <aitor> hi
[03:51] <aitor> can any of you help me?
[03:51] <aitor> I can't make kdm work
[03:51] <aitor> even though startx works fine