[10:07] <allot> Hello
[10:08] <allot> Anyone here with time to look at my KeyListener problem?
[10:09] <allot> hello?


[15:02] <stokachu> o/
[15:03]  * slangasek waves
[15:03] <doko> hi
[15:04]  * stgraber waves
[15:04] <slangasek> #startmeeting
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[15:04] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek cjwatson xnox stokachu)
[15:04] <slangasek> doko ev jodh stgraber slangasek cjwatson stokachu barry bdmurray xnox
[15:04] <slangasek> [TOPIC] lightning round
[15:05] <slangasek> doko: you're first :)
[15:06] <doko> - Some unexpected GCC work, looking at regressions in the testsuite:
[15:06] <doko>   - Testsuite wasn't enabled, so it was difficult to track down :-/
[15:06] <doko>   - Fix libjava test failures, seen with binutils 2.23
[15:06] <doko>   - Fix boehm-gc test failure
[15:06] <doko>   - Look at gcc and g++ test failures only seen with hardening defaults, and fix
[15:06] <doko>   - Re-discovered that -Wformat-security is disabled in GCC 4.8, because the boo
[15:06] <doko> tstrap failed with this default.  Now enable that in the specs instead of the op
[15:06] <doko> tions processing, and it builds ...
[15:06] <doko>   - Ignore the additional mudflap test failures. Will work on removing mudflap u
[15:06] <doko> pstream alltogether now that the sanitizer is available in 4.8.
[15:06] <doko>   - Upload is pending
[15:06] <doko> - Restart on cmake cross builds.
[15:06] <doko> (done)
[15:06] <ev> - Tail end of vUDS. Had a very productive discussion around the next steps for
[15:06] <ev>   continuous integration.
[15:06] <ev> - Mostly spent the week getting ready for the Lexington QA sprint next week.
[15:06] <ev>   - Calls with jibel, Martin, Francis, and Adam.
[15:06] <ev> - Meeting with IS to discuss Cassandra cluster next steps. They've asked to
[15:06] <ev>   delay the final steps of migrating the data from our existing clusters into a
[15:06] <ev>   new one. This is because they're working on building Prodstack 4.0 and doing
[15:06] <ev>   these steps now would mean having to move a lot of data around once the new
[15:06] <ev>   Prodstack is ready. I've in turn asked that more attention be given to moving
[15:06] <ev>   daisy, errors, and the retracers onto prodstack and opening up access to the
[15:06] <ev>   Cassandra nodes again, so we can at least continue with feature development
[15:06] <ev>   while we wait.
[15:06] <ev> - Patch piloting. Woo.
[15:06] <ev> - Discussion around reporting runaway applications.
[15:06] <ev> Other:
[15:06] <ev> - Note: I am in Boston from this Sunday for the QA sprint and then on holiday
[15:06] <ev>   for two weeks after that in somewhat remote territory (Nevada and Arizona
[15:06] <ev>   desert). If you need my help with something, we have until Friday :)
[15:06] <ev> - Attended a talk by Adrian Cockcroft at Cassandra London on how they have
[15:06] <ev>   built Netflix. A lot of it was a repeat of the Cassandra SF talk that I
[15:06] <ev>   summarised on canonical-tech, but there were definitely some useful bits in
[15:07] <ev>   there, like their Zuul API proxy tier. Didn't get a chance to ask him how the
[15:07] <ev>   move of all their systems to Ubuntu was going :-/
[15:07] <ev> (done)
[15:08] <stgraber> Blueprint-related work:
[15:08] <stgraber>  - Image based updates (BLUEPRINT: foundations-1305-image-based-updates)
[15:08] <stgraber>    - Landed the daily-proposed channel
[15:08] <stgraber>    - Re-numbered all the current channels (base version is 1 instead of YYYYMM00)
[15:08] <stgraber>    - Bumped system partition size from 1.2GB to 2GB
[15:08] <stgraber>    - Following-up with QA to get this landed by default this week
[15:08] <cjwatson> (jodh is on holiday)
[15:08] <stgraber> Other work:
[15:08] <stgraber>  - LXC
[15:08] <stgraber>   - Linux Plumbers mini-conference preparation
[15:08] <stgraber>   - Licensing review and fixes
[15:08] <stgraber>   - Python attach API review and fixes
[15:08] <stgraber>   - Some code review
[15:08] <stgraber>   - Android port fixes (building again with current NDK)
[15:08] <stgraber>   - Prepared and pushed out the LXC 1.0~alpha1 pull request
[15:08] <stgraber>     (FFe already accepted for once it's released)
[15:08] <stgraber>  - Network
[15:08] <stgraber>   - Merged ifupdown from Debian. Thanks to Steve for fixing the conffile handling of /etc/init.d/networking!
[15:08] <stgraber>  - Other
[15:08] <stgraber>   - vUDS
[15:08] <stgraber>
[15:08] <stgraber> TODO (hopefully this week):
[15:08] <stgraber>  - Land LXC 1.0~alpha1 in the archive ASAP (need to nag Daniel to process my pull request)
[15:09] <stgraber>  - Implement the boot-time hooks for Ubuntu touch
[15:09] <stgraber>  - Help QA run tests against touch_ro so we can switch to it by default
[15:09] <stgraber>  - Re-design channels.json to be flexible enough to support channel aliases and hidden channels
[15:09] <stgraber>  - Blog/g+/email about the version number changes as soon as we get a new phablet-flash landed in the archive
[15:09] <stgraber> (DONE)
[15:09] <stokachu> stgraber: what do you think about backporting ifupdown to precise?
[15:10] <stgraber> stokachu: a straight backport wouldn't work because of other changes that happened around it, so we'd have to compare the effort to cherry-pick the fixes you care about vs the work required to backport saucy to precise.
[15:10] <xnox> stgraber: (android src package rebuild has landed in .deb package as well now, if still needed)
[15:11] <stokachu> stgraber: ok ive got a bug on ifupdown in precise where using simple service networking restart fails
[15:11] <stokachu> stgraber: you have time after the meeting to discuss it a bit?
[15:11] <stgraber> xnox: thanks! I didn't actually need it since we aren't using the binaries from the android package yet, but that means that once we do, we won't regress (which was the goal here).
[15:12] <slangasek> * short week, Labor Day was on Monday
[15:12] <slangasek>  * revisiting the status of UEFI netboot support; currently arguing with a machine that only wants to netboot over IPv6
[15:12] <stgraber> stokachu: I don't see how backporting a more recent version of ifupdown would solve that
[15:12] <slangasek>  * finally getting the partition resizing work done for phablet-flash, though too late to make it for the initial switch to system images
[15:12] <slangasek>  * poking around the edges of beta1, want to revisit the freeze rules for optional milestones based on some of the experiences here
[15:12] <slangasek>  * patch piloting today
[15:12] <slangasek> (done)
[15:12] <stgraber> stokachu: considering we don't actually support restarting networking to begin with
[15:13] <stokachu> stgraber: dont support restarting networking?
[15:13] <stgraber> stokachu: right
[15:13] <stokachu> even for server
[15:14] <stgraber> stokachu: we support bringing individual interfaces up and down, but as the networking in Ubuntu is event based, we can't support restarting the whole thing sequentially
[15:14]  * ev steps out to chat with IS
[15:14] <barry> have you tried `sudo service networking restart`?  don't! ;)
[15:14] <slangasek> cjwatson:
[15:14] <cjwatson> Launchpad:
[15:14] <cjwatson>  - Landed build cancellation (bug 54730) and retrieval of build logs for cancelled builds (bug 1050514).
[15:14] <stgraber> stokachu: I mean, it may work and for simple systems it'll, just don't expect it to really work when using bridges, vlans or bond interfaces
[15:14] <stokachu> stgraber: ok good to know, thanks
[15:14] <cjwatson>  - Implemented automatic ppa-reset of failing virtual builders (bug 1039935), which has made the PPA build farm significantly more stable.
[15:14] <cjwatson>  - Wrote blog entry on recent work: http://blog.launchpad.net/general/launchpad-build-farm-improvements
[15:14] <cjwatson>  - Removed limits on the percentage of available builders that a given public PPA can take up, which now do more harm than good (bug 666308).  Will be in the next deployment.
[15:14] <cjwatson> Click:
[15:15] <cjwatson>  - Added "icon" (optional) and "installed-size" (automatically generated) to manifest for the benefit of UI code.
[15:15] <cjwatson>  - Cleaned up various bugs in the preloaded wrapper.
[15:15] <cjwatson>  - Added support for multiple installation root directories, which we'll use for preinstalled apps.  Much internal heavy lifting to make this work but no incompatible interface changes.
[15:15] <cjwatson> TODO:
[15:15] <cjwatson>  - Finish deploying preinstalled app handling in click.
[15:15] <cjwatson>  - Removal support in click, since UI work on this is due to start soon.
[15:15] <cjwatson>  - Big pile of OEM bugs, probably involving all the coffee :-/
[15:15] <cjwatson> ..
[15:15] <stgraber> barry: haha, yeah, then you notice that dbus is "stop on deconfiguring-interfaces" taking down the whole system :)
[15:15] <stokachu> bug 833994 ϟ needs discussion on latest comments
[15:15] <stokachu> bug 1157943 ϟ Needs more prodding of David (apt upstream)
[15:15] <stokachu> bug 1204507 ϟ Verification completed, needs promotion out of -proposed queue.
[15:15] <stokachu> bug 1179781 ϟ Needs apt uploaded in order to test.
[15:15] <stokachu> (done)
[15:15] <stokachu> bug 1160490 ϟ uploaded to saucy, needs sponsorship in precise, quantal, and raring.
[15:16] <barry> stgraber: i think it's shorthand for `ssh deadmachine sudo reboot`
[15:16] <barry> Short week due to USA holiday.  vUDS.
[15:16] <barry> system-image: LP: #1208909; LP: #1218612. fixed traceback when -c gives a bad channel name.  system-image 1.3 and 1.4.  various meetings.  update blueprints.
[15:16] <barry> This week: LP: #1196991
[15:16] <barry> done
[15:16] <bdmurray> uploaded apport SRU (R) fix for bug 1168849
[15:16] <bdmurray> uploaded ubuntu-release-upgrader SRU (Q and R) fix for bug 1215526, bug 1210649
[15:17] <bdmurray> uploaded fixed SRU (Q and R) for bug 1035136
[15:17] <bdmurray> uploaded oneconf fix for bug 1051935
[15:17] <bdmurray> sponsored patches in bug 1191704
[15:17] <bdmurray> review of unsubscribed packages
[15:17] <bdmurray> fix of tz issue with comparing dates in sru-report
[15:17] <bdmurray> investigation into bug 1209442 (not phased update issue)
[15:17]  * slangasek buys some Bosnian coffee from Brazil at the European deli and drop-ships it to cjwatson
[15:17] <cjwatson> stokachu: 1204507> blocked on a slew of other verifications, as shown on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[15:17] <cjwatson> fwiw
[15:17] <bdmurray> investigation into, fixing bug 1211511
[15:17] <bdmurray> reported errors bug 1217521
[15:17] <bdmurray> reported update-notifier bug 1220435 regarding crash reporting from Live CDs
[15:17] <stokachu> cjwatson: thanks checking now
[15:17] <bdmurray> research into apport bug 1098844
[15:17] <bdmurray> tested multiple kernels for bug 1218004
[15:17] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:19]  * xnox notices it's me
[15:19] <slangasek> cjwatson: do you have any thoughts on the latest comments on bug #833994 (from stokachu)?
[15:20]  * ev back
[15:20] <xnox> imho it's unwise to introduce insecure https, and at the moment using gnu wget fails all installations (due to exact text parsing) so that linked bug should really be fixed first.
[15:20] <xnox> ..
[15:20] <xnox> - sent off summary to promote 64bit images by default on the website
[15:20] <xnox> - finished proof-of-concept cross-compiling qml extensions, send of
[15:20] <xnox>   email to ubuntu-phone mailing list. Further changes are required in
[15:20] <xnox>   qt* & packaging
[15:20] <xnox> - help out landing (and testing) upstart 1.10 in the archive for FFe, ubiquity
[15:20] <cjwatson> I remain concerned that providing HTTPS when there's no way to make it secure is inviting people to do it wrong
[15:20] <xnox>   uploads for FFe/Beta1, unbreak boost-python linking, unbreak
[15:20] <xnox>   dh-python, sponsor patches for a few bugs.
[15:20] <xnox> - continuing work on emulator, emulator config is now using kernel
[15:20] <xnox>   from the archive.
[15:21] <xnox> ..
[15:21] <cjwatson> And yeah, as xnox said
[15:21] <cjwatson> I really don't have time to take on a fix for this set of things at the moment though :-/
[15:21] <stokachu> if we could possibly get a definitive stance on the subject that would help i think
[15:21]  * slangasek nods
[15:21] <stokachu> posted to the bug publicly
[15:21] <slangasek> stokachu: I think cjwatson's / xnox's stance has been pretty consistent / definitive
[15:22] <slangasek> "we're not going to give users a false sense of security about https"
[15:22] <xnox> stokachu: bug 1172101 must be fixed.
[15:22] <cjwatson> This is it, my stance has been definitive, just not popular
[15:22] <xnox> stokachu: then we can further proceed with remaining https cert issues.
[15:22] <cjwatson> And I did propose a solution in comment #8
[15:22] <stokachu> ok
[15:23] <xnox> stokachu: and then yeah, implement cjwatson's comment #8
[15:23] <cjwatson> (Which certainly needs implementation from our end)
[15:23] <xnox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/833994/comments/8
[15:23] <slangasek> tb is technically right about links that are sniffable but not pwnable, but that basically requires a webserver that does PFS, and very few of them actually do and most admins have no idea if theirs does or not
[15:24] <slangasek> so the vast majority of people who would see this functionality and try to use it would probably still be doing it wrong
[15:25] <stokachu> ok -- i can pass this along and do we want to leave this case as is for a potentional resolution from comment 8 down the road?
[15:25] <cjwatson> it's certainly still open
[15:26] <slangasek> ok
[15:26] <xnox> yeah, and supporting gnu wget is also useful (with & without https)
[15:26] <slangasek> any other topics for today?
[15:26] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:26] <slangasek> ?
[15:26] <stokachu> just confirmation on the rest of those bugs
[15:27] <stokachu> theres a few low hanging fruit ones i believe
[15:28] <slangasek> stokachu: bug #1179781> I'll sponsor those today
[15:28] <stokachu> slangasek: thanks!
[15:28] <slangasek> (chiluk probably should have resubbed ubuntu-sponsors for the reupload, but that's ok)
[15:28] <stokachu> slangasek: ah i missed that sorry!
[15:29] <slangasek> nothing else?
[15:29] <slangasek> going...
[15:29] <slangasek> going...
[15:29] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Sep  4 15:30:20 2013 UTC.
[15:29] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-09-04-15.04.moin.txt
[15:29] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-09-04-15.04.html
[15:29] <slangasek> gone
[15:29] <slangasek> thanks, all!
[15:30] <barry> thanks!
[15:30] <stokachu> thanks!
[15:30] <stgraber> thanks!
[15:30] <stokachu> stgraber: could you look at bug 1160490
[15:31] <chiluk> thanks slangasek I'll resub sponsors next time.
[15:52] <stokachu> or bdmurray ^


[02:16] <holstein> goodtime: "good" is a matter of opinion
[02:16] <holstein> what do you need?
[02:16] <holstein> "hard" is as well
[02:16] <holstein> i think, thing folks arent used to can be challenging at first
[02:16] <holstein> good thing is, if you are used to audio production on fedora, kubuntu, ubuntu, then the applications are the same
[02:17] <holstein> tbh, there is no reason to use ubuntustudio instead of what you are used to
[02:17] <holstein> you can load up kubuntu and add our studio packages from the default ubuntu repos
[02:17] <holstein> same with fedora.. a lot of the packages will be the same
[02:17] <holstein> goodtime: other than that... just keep a few things in mind
[02:17] <holstein> !patience
[02:17] <holstein> !volunteers
[02:18] <goodtime> ty holstein
[02:18] <holstein> and, welcome!
[02:18] <goodtime> ty again
[02:18] <goodtime> ive never been here befor but im a irc er
[02:18] <goodtime> about 12 years now
[02:19] <goodtime> idk
[02:19] <goodtime> i have questions thoe
[02:19] <goodtime> is there aWAY TO GET MORE THEMEMS
[02:19] <goodtime> caps sorry
[02:20] <holstein> its xfce.. so any xfce themes.. i usually just search the repos
[02:20] <goodtime> themes*
[02:20] <holstein> im not a big themer.. but sure.. also, you can ask in #xubuntu
[02:20] <goodtime> ok i though id have to dso it that way ty
[02:20] <goodtime> thought
[02:20] <goodtime> sorry im tired
[02:20] <holstein> goodtime: no worries
[02:21] <goodtime> ok then
[02:21] <holstein> there are themes in the repos.. but it depends on what you want/need
[02:21] <goodtime> hmmm ok
[02:21] <goodtime> this os is so snappy
[02:21] <holstein> we went with xfce cause its nice and lean
[02:21] <goodtime> i think i foud a winner
[02:22] <goodtime> found*
[02:22] <holstein> no extras.. just enough .. and gnome2 like in feel
[02:22] <holstein> and the xubuntu team is great, and helpful for our development
[02:22] <goodtime> ive used ubuntu like eversince it came out
[02:22] <goodtime> kubuntu
[02:22] <goodtime> etc etc etc ........
[02:22] <goodtime> i like this os
[02:23] <goodtime> im a musician is why also
[02:23] <holstein> xubuntu is what we are most like in feel
[02:23] <goodtime> i might install it
[02:23] <goodtime> but ill just sit put for now
[02:24] <holstein> goodtime: you whould be able to use JACK, and all the apps from the live CD
[02:24] <goodtime> yes
[02:24] <goodtime> with xubuntu?
[02:24] <goodtime> hmmm
[02:24] <goodtime> brb
[02:24] <holstein> goodtime: xubuntu as well, but ubuntustudio has all the applications included on the live CD
[02:25] <goodtime> yeah i installed it
[02:25] <goodtime> studio
[02:25] <goodtime> hmmm
[02:25] <goodtime> i have 6 distros here carbon copies
[02:26] <goodtime> im staying with debian based though
[02:26] <goodtime> i hate yum
[03:50] <david_> anyone use gladish?  I need help - Hydrogen connections to ardour not saved somehow.  Even when I saved project and start it again, connections disappeared.  Any advice?
[04:07] <david_> anyone?
[04:14] <holstein> david_: you could ask in #opensourcemusicians or #kxstudio
[04:14] <holstein> i dont use it
[04:15] <holstein> david_: might look at a2jmidid or if you are going from alsa midi to jack midi
[04:17] <david_> what do you use holstein?  I am new to recording in linux.  Would like to learn what others are using
[04:18] <holstein> david_: i just set up my sessions each time
[04:19] <holstein> david_: i use the jack connect window
[04:19] <holstein> i like to see the connections and check them
[04:23] <david_> you mean you just use qjackctl?
[04:24] <holstein> david_: i use the "connect" setup in qjackctl
[04:24] <holstein> david_: i just make my connections
[04:24] <david_> oh I see...
[04:24] <holstein> im not insterested in something to manage that for me
[04:24] <holstein> its not something i need to have a manager for
[04:24] <holstein> i am the session manager
[04:24] <david_> I see.
[12:12] <goodtime> holstein: ping?
[17:01] <hv-labz> can any 1 help me regarding installing flash plug in ubuntu its getting stuck


[00:46] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1180470] "Window title" text box disabled in Window-Specific Settings @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1180470 (by Ibrahim M. Ghazal)
[04:04] <ScottK> Quintasan: Better to do it for 13.10 than make the switch in an LTS cycle.
[07:27] <soee> good morning
[11:20] <Riddell> wibble, amarok doesn't start for me
[11:20] <Riddell> or it starts but doesn't show anything on screen
[11:21] <Peace-> Riddell: do you use amarok?
[11:21] <Peace-> i mean like default audio player?
[11:21] <Riddell> sure
[11:21] <Riddell> what else would I use?
[11:24] <jussi> juk? :D
[11:24] <Peace-> Riddell: vlc
[11:24] <jussi> (ok, ok, I relent, I use VLC)
[11:24] <Riddell> didn't that go out with the naughties?
[11:24] <Riddell> vlc doesn't have any playlist
[11:24] <Peace-> Riddell: sure it has
[11:24] <jussi> amarok is FAR too heavy for a simple media player
[11:25] <jussi> Riddell: it has, how far behind are you? :D
[11:25] <Riddell> it's not supposed to be a simple media player, it's supposed to let you rediscover your music
[11:25] <Riddell> I can go  vlc * in a directories with an album in and it'll play it
[11:25] <Riddell> that's pretty limited
[11:25] <Peace-> Riddell: :D ok ok here it is :P http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/26/plasma-desktopbS2257.png
[11:26] <Riddell> mm, no list there
[11:27] <Peace-> Riddell: do you mean this  list ? http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/26/plasma-desktopgk2257.png
[11:28] <Riddell> any easy way to add things to that?
[11:29] <Peace-> Riddell: drag and drop
[11:29] <Peace-> Riddell: and my service menu vlc append
[11:36] <jussi> I find it mildly funny we are trying to get Riddell to switch to some non kde sw... :P
[11:40] <Riddell> drag and drop from where? I want my collection on the right hand side
[11:43] <Riddell> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.10.97_saucy.html not bad not bad
[13:01] <Peace-> Riddell: on right you can see media library
[13:01] <Peace-> left
[13:01] <Peace-> *
[13:06] <shadeslayer> ScottK: http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2013/07/25/obama-promises-disappear-from-web/
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:13] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1195723] 13.10 Alpha-2 Plasma Netbook Interface has no favorites @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1195723 (by Marco Parillo)
[13:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: eh, vlc has a collection
[13:13] <apachelogger> and playlist
[13:13] <apachelogger> and only resource support
[13:13] <apachelogger> and upnp support
[13:13] <apachelogger> ....
[13:14] <apachelogger> s/only/online
[13:18] <Riddell> Peace-: that's not a collection, that's a list
[13:30] <Riddell> talking of music players, tomahawk crashing for me
[13:35] <yofel> what version of tomahawk?
[13:35] <yofel> I'll try to package 0.7 for the archive over the weekend
[13:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: media library is not a list, well it technically is, except it's a media library...
[13:44] <yofel> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-launchpad-branches/launchpad-buildd/trunk/revision/58 :O
[13:46] <Riddell> yofel: 0.6.0+dfsg1-0ubuntu3
[13:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: hurray?
[13:46] <shadeslayer> no silly ~raring1 now
[13:46] <yofel> yep :)
[13:46] <yofel> Riddell: mhm, there's 0.7 in tomahawk/ppa if you want to try it
[13:48]  * Riddell tries it
[13:49] <shadeslayer> hm, we don't compile kdelibs with -fPIE
[13:49] <apachelogger> https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/kf5/+build/4825511
[13:49] <apachelogger> .........................
[13:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what does PIE mean?
[13:49] <apachelogger> yofel:
[13:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Position Independent Executable
[13:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Position-independent_code
[13:50] <yofel> apachelogger: wtf?
[13:50] <apachelogger> I am tempted to think that qmake is even more shit than python
[13:50] <Riddell> "Started 20 hours ago"  holy guacamole
[13:50] <shadeslayer> haha
[13:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: everyone thinks that except the qmake maintainer
[13:50] <yofel> shadeslayer: isn't -fPIE default on amd64?
[13:50] <shadeslayer> weren't they switching to QBS
[13:51] <shadeslayer> yofel: I don't see it https://launchpadlibrarian.net/145471384/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-amd64.kde4libs_4%3A4.10.95-0ubuntu1_UPLOADING.txt.gz
[13:51] <apachelogger> ahhh, cancelled builds of course have no log
[13:51] <apachelogger> weeh
[13:51] <shadeslayer> cmake does say that it has FPIE support
[13:51] <shadeslayer> but g++ doesn't seem to be called with that?
[13:52] <yofel> oh, I mixed that up with fPIC
[13:52] <yofel> shadeslayer: looking at the gcc manpage, why would you *want* to build with fPIE?
[13:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: apparently Qt uses it for some reaon, and it seems to be useful for shared libraries?
[13:54]  * yofel is clueless
[13:55] <apachelogger> ?
[13:55] <apachelogger> PIE?
[13:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Position-independent_code
[13:56] <apachelogger> yeah
[13:56] <apachelogger> what about it
[13:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any reason not to have it in kdelibs? ( seems to be a useful option for libraries? )
[13:57] <apachelogger> ask dfaure?
[13:57] <Riddell> yofel: tomahawk 0.7 crashes for me too
[13:57] <yofel> :(
[13:57] <shadeslayer> will do
[13:57] <apachelogger> I personally do not see the benefit unless you actually manually do ASM somewhere
[13:58] <shadeslayer> are you saying Qt does ASM somewhere? :O
[13:58] <apachelogger> an MMU pretty much solves waht PIC/PIE was meant to do originally
[13:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am actually reasonable certain qstring has asm bits
[13:58] <shadeslayer> :O
[13:59]  * shadeslayer looks
[14:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtbase/blobs/HEAD/src/corelib/arch/qatomic_x86.h
[14:00] <shadeslayer> I see
[14:01] <shadeslayer> well, makes sense then
[14:01] <shadeslayer> lets check if kdelibs has asm code
[14:01] <apachelogger> just ask dfaure or send a mail to kde-core-devel? :P
[14:03] <shadeslayer> hm
[14:03] <shadeslayer> a bit of grepping shows  : ./solid/solid/backends/shared/cpufeatures.cpp:
[14:03] <shadeslayer> eh
[14:03] <shadeslayer> #define ASM_MOV_REG(reg1, reg2)   "movl   %%e"reg1", %%e"reg2" \n\t"
[14:17] <apachelogger> PIC doesn't help that bit at all
[14:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I see
[14:19] <shadeslayer> I'm not completly sure if it would be beneficial, just curious whether we should / should not enable it
[14:41] <agateau> anyone fancy testing wireless support in ubiquity?
[14:42] <agateau> code is in lp:~agateau/ubiquity/kde-wireless2
[14:42] <shadeslayer> sure
[14:42] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:42] <shadeslayer> wait
[14:42] <agateau> not proposed for merge yet as it depends on lp:~agateau/ubiquity/nm-split getting in
[14:42] <shadeslayer> VBox doesn't have wireless stuff
[14:42] <Riddell> agateau: can it be run from a local installed machine?
[14:43] <agateau> shadeslayer: I was able to test it with a usb wifi adapter
[14:43] <Riddell> or does it need a live image?
[14:43] <Riddell> why a usb wifi adapter?
[14:43] <agateau> shadeslayer: by installing the closed-source extension
[14:43] <shadeslayer> hm
[14:43] <Riddell> oh in virtualbox
[14:43] <agateau> Riddell: yes
[14:44] <agateau> Riddell: you can test part the networkmanager widget from your local machine, but it's not exactly a complete test
[14:44] <agateau> anyway, it can be done with cd where/ubiquity/src/is ; PYTHONPATH=$PWD python3 ubiquity/frontend/kde_components/nmwidgets.py
[14:44] <agateau> as root
[14:46] <agateau> first known problem is the entry in the sidebar is empty: it is waiting for a proper translated text. The text is declared in debian/ubiquity.template but I haven't looked into how to install that
[14:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you looking at it?
[14:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: still branching
[14:58] <shadeslayer> grrr
[14:58] <shadeslayer> somehow kio_file is screwed up
[14:58] <shadeslayer> I keep getting "Could not start process Unable to create io-slave:
[14:58] <shadeslayer> klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_file'."
[14:59] <shadeslayer> probably because I rebooted in the middle of a upgrade :(
[15:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's why I said ask david or the mailing list....
[15:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: david has no idea
[15:15] <shadeslayer> which is a first for me :)
[15:41] <shadeslayer> uhm
[15:42] <BluesKaj> ahem
[15:42] <shadeslayer> well, I'm seeing some minor video issues
[15:43] <shadeslayer> when the titlebar text changes, it is green for some duration
[16:57] <Riddell> nepomuk-core-runtime: postinst-must-call-ldconfig usr/lib/libnepomukextractor.so
[16:57] <Riddell> why does dh_makeshlibs not add that?
[16:57] <Riddell> is it the package name isn't libfoo?
[17:03] <Riddell> oh it'll be because it's unversioned
[17:10] <Riddell> >ldd /usr/lib/libakonadi-kabc.so.4.11.0 statically linked
[17:10] <Riddell> wibble that's not supposed to happen
[17:17] <soee> hi
[17:18]  * Riddell high fives himself over the amount of green on http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.10.97_saucy.html
[17:18] <Riddell> anyone able to test it? then I'll upload
[17:18] <Riddell> !testers | 4.10.97 in ninjas
[17:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what was wrong with kde-workspace?
[17:19] <shadeslayer> and I'm on OS X right now, can't test :)
[17:19] <soee> saucy ?
[17:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that lovely kwin maintainer renamed some files
[17:20] <Riddell> soee: yes
[17:20] <shadeslayer> I see
[17:20] <soee> till the monday i dont have access to saucy
[17:20] <soee> only raring here
[17:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: triator
[17:20] <shadeslayer> hey, atleast it's unix
[17:20] <shadeslayer> poor agateau has to work on Windows :D
[17:20] <Riddell> he does?
[17:20] <soee> ;o
[17:20] <shadeslayer> Qt patchery needs testing
[17:21] <shadeslayer> He tests my patches on Windows, I test his on OS X
[17:21] <Riddell> what qt patches?
[17:22] <shadeslayer> "Add icons to QLineEdit context menu (via qstyle?)	"
[17:22] <shadeslayer> oh on that matter
[17:23] <shadeslayer> agateau: doesn't the task say to do it via qstyle?
[17:48] <Tm_T> with 4.10.95 packages, kubuntu-full is not installable
[17:48] <Tm_T> let's see what .97 says
[17:49] <Tm_T> aah no packages yet for ninjas
[17:49] <Tm_T> for raring that is
[19:02] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1194501] [ 4.8 Linaro regression] ICE on gcc-4.8 building kde4libs @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194501 (by Scott Kitterman)
[19:58] <soee> hows the RC1 progress for rarring ?
[20:10] <yofel> soee: it's in the beta ppa for raring
[20:10]  * yofel will run the script for RC2 later
[20:12] <soee> 4.10.90 is b2 ?
[20:12] <yofel> yes, .95 RC1, .97 RC2
[20:13] <soee> ah so here on my laptom im on beta2 :) gonna upgrade now
[21:12] <ari-tczew> debfx: ping
[21:12] <yofel> Tm_T: I uploaded an updated kubuntu-meta to raring backports ppa that should fix that
[21:22] <debfx> ari-tczew: pong
[21:25] <ari-tczew> debfx: I've took a look on merge networkmanagement. the rest delta is this diff: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5916281/
[21:25] <ari-tczew> debfx: is it important change or can we drop it?
[21:31] <ari-tczew> debfx: ahhh, still one file changes are remaining: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5916298/
[21:31] <ari-tczew> then it could be probably a merge
[21:33] <debfx> ari-tczew: should be safe to drop that, but we also change some recommends to suggests
[21:35] <ari-tczew> debfx: and what about the second url ?
[21:36] <debfx> hm not really sure
[21:40] <yofel> not sure if all those headers should be there, but that's the solid stuff that was remove from kde-workspace 4.11
[21:40] <yofel> *removed
[21:45] <debfx> ehm, is that the plasma-widget-networkmanagement package?
[21:46] <debfx> we shouldn't install any header files there
[21:53] <yofel> right
[21:54] <ari-tczew> debfx: so my 2nd paste should be dropped?
[21:56] <yofel> yes, but are those 2 desktop files really not needed?
[22:36] <ari-tczew> yofel, debfx: I have just installed networkmanagement from unstable and I don't see any difference
[22:39] <yofel> the modemmanager stuff still works? (that's the only desktop file I'm worried about)
[22:39] <yofel> Other than that it's probably just the control file changes that are still needed and the merge should be done
[22:41] <ari-tczew> yofel: where can I find modemmanager?
[22:42] <yofel> uh, it's that mobile phone connection thing, I think? not sure
[22:42] <ari-tczew> yofel: I have normal wifi, I don't use modem / phone connection
[22:44] <yofel> I personally would keep those 2 files. Debian probably doesn't need them yet as they still have modemmanager in kde-workspace 4.10
[22:53] <ari-tczew> yofel: about d/control I've to make sure, but a part of them is already in Debian
[22:56] <yofel> true, what's kubuntu specific is
[22:56] <yofel> +Suggests: kde-workspace-bin, network-manager-vpnc, network-manager-openvpn,
[22:56] <yofel> + network-manager-pptp, network-manager-openconnect
[22:56] <yofel> and the breaks/replaces against kde-workspace-data which is future for debian
[22:58] <soee> is there something wring with networkmanager in RC1 ?
[22:59] <yofel> soee: shouldn't be, why?
[23:01] <soee> yofel, not on my laptop it disconnects me for a 2 seconds and connects again (atleast by icon status change i can assume that), last days i installed KDE on arch and there when downloading something big (heby network traffic)  whole plasma crashed
[23:01] <soee> this might be coincident though
[23:03] <ari-tczew> yofel: conclusion: there is the whole remaining delta (d/changelog not included): http://paste.ubuntu.com/5916524/
[23:04] <yofel> fine I think. debfx ^ ?
[23:04] <ari-tczew> it has to be still adapted to current unstable rev. of course
[23:04] <yofel> (changelog and maintainer need to be kept as well ofc.)
[23:04] <ari-tczew> sure
[23:05] <ari-tczew> it's pre-merge
[23:05] <ari-tczew> draft
[23:08] <debfx> yeah looks good so far
[23:11] <ari-tczew> debfx, yofel: should do I you both subscribe to merge bug?
[23:11] <debfx> yofel: of course installing desktop files without the corresponding binary (i.e. solid_modemmanager05.so) is not that useful ^^
[23:12] <debfx> sure
[23:12] <yofel> eh, those are missing too?
[23:13] <debfx> yes
[23:14] <debfx> ari-tczew: could you please add that file to plasma-widget-networkmanagement.install?
[23:14] <debfx> (not related to the merge, but a fix for the last upload)
[23:14]  * yofel builds to look at list-missing
[23:14] <ari-tczew> debfx: which one?
[23:15] <yofel> not goot -.- http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/knm_mm.png
[23:15] <yofel> *good
[23:15] <debfx> ari-tczew: usr/lib/kde4/solid_modemmanager05.so
[23:16] <debfx> yofel: it doesn't use dhmk so no list-missing
[23:16] <yofel> I'm still using the old pbuilder hook
[23:16] <ari-tczew> debfx: how should do I describe this one in d/changelog?
[23:17] <debfx> for example "Add missing solid_modemmanager05.so to the install file"
[23:17] <debfx> yofel: what does the hook do?
[23:18] <yofel> use CDBS iirc
[23:18] <yofel> debfx: http://paste.kde.org/p7b1a06c8/
[23:18] <debfx> cdbs? I hope we don't have cdbs-using packages anymore ;)
[23:19] <debfx> ah ok
[23:19] <ScottK> So we need a new hook that doesn't need it.
[23:20] <debfx> overriding dh_install with --list-missing in networkmanager wouldn't be a bad idea
[23:20] <yofel> # list-missing files result:
[23:20] <yofel> -./usr/lib/kde4/solid_modemmanager05.so
[23:20] <yofel> and that's the only file that really should be installed so we're ok now
[23:21] <debfx> you might be able to misuse dhmk in a similar way
[23:21] <yofel> rest is just dev symlinks
[23:22]  * yofel checks what dhmk list-missing does
[23:23] <debfx> basically create a list of files in debian/tmp, same for all debian/<pkg> and create a diff
[23:23] <ari-tczew> debfx: the queue in *.install file is important? can I add this one just at the end of file?
[23:23] <debfx> so nothing really depends on dhmk being used
[23:24] <ari-tczew> (I mean now usr/lib/kde4/solid_modemmanager05.so)
[23:26] <debfx> it doesn't matter for the end result but I'd keep the lines sorted
[23:28] <yofel> hm, am I doing something wrong if I try to call the target with 'make -f /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/2/list-missing.mk list-missing'?
[23:28] <yofel> all I get is: make: *** No rule to make target `list-missing'.  Stop.
[23:31] <debfx> yofel: there is a "ifdef dqk_dir" in list-missing.mk
[23:32] <yofel> yes, there is. I'm tired -.-
[23:32] <yofel> thanks
[23:33] <yofel> http://paste.kde.org/pe6734594/ perfect
[23:38] <debfx> nice
[23:38]  * debfx copies that into his own set of hooks
[23:52] <ari-tczew> hmmmm, I run update-maintainer and it changes Kubuntu Dev. to Ubuntu Dev.
[23:52] <ari-tczew> is it correct?
[23:52] <yofel> no, update-maintainer only works for ubuntu, not us


[00:00] <ajmitch_> too many addons breaking?
[00:04] <ibeardslee> that and our QA/test team may need to know how to test in the different version
[00:07] <ajmitch_> it wouldn't surprise me if it's in the archive within a day or two, judging from the previous upload history


[05:52] <pwnguin> strange question: what's the "right" way to bring a newer kernel into a feisty install?
[05:52] <RAOF> Build from kernel.org sources, and use make-kpkg?
[05:53] <pwnguin> what about ubuntu specific patches?
[05:53] <pwnguin> or at least, patches ubuntu picked up that linus hasnt
[05:54] <RAOF> Well, you could get the kernel source package from launchpad, I suppose
[05:54] <pwnguin> from the kernel team
[05:54] <pwnguin> but im not sure how that works with restricted drivers.
[05:55] <RAOF> Well, I think make-kpkg should work.
[05:55] <RAOF> Heh, it doesn't, although you could use the module-assistant package
[05:55] <pwnguin> someone suggested installing the gutsy kernel, and that didnt go so well
[05:55] <pwnguin> im not entirely sure why, but it scares me a bit
[05:56] <RAOF> I hope that wasn't you in the forums I recommended against installing the gutsy kernel to :)
[05:56] <pwnguin> i rarely post in the forums
[05:56] <RAOF> Good, good :)
[05:56] <pwnguin> besides, i know what im doing most the time
[05:58] <pwnguin> i tried grabbing the kernel from launchpad like you said last nigth, but dependencies were being troublesome, so i figured id just add gutsy to sources.list for a second
[05:58] <pwnguin> install the kernel, then ditch the source
[05:58] <pwnguin> worked surprisingly well, but the kernel locked up around acpi or something
[05:59] <pwnguin> could be related to not being able to find a /dev/disk/by-uuid/ =/
[06:12] <crimsun> likely unrelated.
[06:15] <pwnguin> well, loading acpi modules and not being able to find the root partition somehow would be related
[06:16] <crimsun> that's highly unlikely.
[06:16] <pwnguin> i would imagine so
[06:17] <pwnguin> unfortunately i dont have a serial port on that laptop
[06:17] <crimsun> by the time it rolls around to trying to find /dev/disk/by-uuid, it needs to have gotten the initramfs and pivotroot to get /
[06:18] <crimsun> if you get acpi errors, you'll get their unfortunate results long before it gets far enough in initramfs
[06:18] <pwnguin> i need to figure out which partition it can't find first obviously
[06:23] <pwnguin> well it was definately /dev/sda1, but that was windows. plenty of interesting BUG:s in dmesg. maybe i should go about repartitioning for a test partition
[10:44] <_4strO> yop yop
[04:31] <afflux_> my cryptsetup is working, but kindof buggy. It wait's a long time after I give the password and then says "Rendezvous with udev timed out for 'temporary-cryptsetup-4589'; stat failed: No such file or directory". After that it maps the volume directly, but this is far too long for booting ;)
[04:31] <afflux_> s/wait's/waits/
[04:34] <afflux_> (it waits about three minutes)
[04:57] <edgy> Hi, when I run: sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd  gutsy /var/chroot/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/, I got
[04:57] <edgy> W: Failure trying to run: chroot /var/chroot mount -t proc proc /proc
[04:57] <edgy> am I doing something wrong?
[04:59] <edgy> debootstrap = <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu4
[05:00] <Hobbsee> i think it's known about
[05:00] <Hobbsee> others were getting it earlier
[05:00] <edgy> $ sudo chroot /var/chroot/
[05:00] <edgy> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
[05:00] <afflux_> 4
[05:00] <afflux_> oh, sry
[05:01] <edgy> so how come people here manage to install gusty in chroot?
[05:02] <edgy> Hobbsee: have you manage to install gutsy in chroot yourself?
[05:03] <Hobbsee> so, yes
[05:05] <edgy> Hobbsee: is using pbuilder better than this normal way of chroot? I have never tried pbuilder before
[05:05] <Hobbsee> depends what you want to do with it
[05:07] <edgy> Hobbsee: I want to try a gutsy system while it's in development
[05:10] <edgy> Also, I have core 2 duo system, isn't this a 64-bit system? which kernel is best installed?
[05:10] <edgy> amd64?
[05:13] <Toma-> flip a coin and decide
[05:13] <Hobbsee> you could stick it on another partition, too
[05:13] <Hobbsee> you usually want -generic regardless
[05:13] <Hobbsee> iirc
[05:29] <edgy> Hobbsee: i installed generic but the libs installed are 32-bits this is why I wonder!
[05:42] <julo> hi
[05:43] <julo> GNOME's keyring seems to be broken in gutsy. Is it a known bug ?
[05:45] <Hobbsee> julo: have you checked in the bugtracker for it?
[05:50] <julo> Hobbsee: yes, but I don't see anything that looks like my bug
[05:50] <julo> Hobbsee: I just find it strange that nobody noticed it, given that the keyring is used about everywhere in GNOME...
[05:51] <Hobbsee> no idea how many people are actually running gutsy yet, either
[05:51] <Hobbsee> but it'd be a bit strange
[05:52] <crdlb> julo, in what way is it broken?
[05:54] <julo> crdlb: every time I try to open a network server, it tells me that there is no default session, and that I should specify a password for the session. Then, the next time I open a network server, I get the same dialog. And when I restart my GNOME session, all my passwords are lost.
[05:54] <julo> crdlb: it seems that it simply can't create keyring sessions.
[05:55] <crdlb> hmm I'm running gnome 2.19 on my gentoo box
[05:55] <crdlb> and seeing the same problem
[05:55] <julo> crdlb: so I guess it's a bug in GNOME, not in Ubunut.
[05:56] <crdlb> at this point, it's kind of normal :)
[05:56] <Toma-> Id love to see the samba interface actually become useable
[05:57] <julo> crdlb: is there a bug report about it, or should I report one ?
[05:57] <crdlb> I haven't checked to be honest
[05:57] <crdlb> you should probably file it in launchpad
[05:58] <Hobbsee> if it's in gnome, you should file it in the gnome bugzilla
[05:58] <Hobbsee> not ubuntu, as they wont fix it.  they'll just refile it
[05:58] <julo> crdlb: I think it's better to report it in bugzilla.gnome.org.
[05:58] <crdlb> nm then :)
[05:58] <julo> crdlb: and that's what I'm gona do.
[06:09] <edgy> Hobbsee: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/build/23153/. mount -t proc proc /proc
[06:09] <edgy> pbuilder: debootstrap failed
[06:10] <edgy> Hobbsee: so pbuilder fails for me too, what shall i do?
[06:10] <Hobbsee> wait
[06:10] <Hobbsee> until it's fixe
[06:10] <Hobbsee> d
[06:10] <Hobbsee> is usually the best strategy
[06:10] <Hobbsee> and file a bug, if there's not already one
[06:11] <Hobbsee> seems odd that there's not an error before that, though
[06:11] <Toma-> you did use sudo in there right?
[06:12] <Toma-> and you need to bind proc... "sudo mount -t proc -o bind oldproc newproc"
[06:19] <edgy> Toma-: yes I did used sudo pbuilder create but I didn't sudo mount -t proc, let me try it
[06:20] <Toma-> -o bind
[06:20] <edgy> Toma-: what shall put in place of oldproc and newproc?
[06:21] <Toma->  /proc /path/to/chroot/proc
[06:23] <edgy> Toma-: I am following this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto and it never mentioned where is the chroot is and I am just executing the first command of sudo pbuilder create
[06:29] <edgy> Toma-: am I asking a stupid question?
[06:30] <Toma-> edgy: looks like pbuilder is indeed broken. you can fix it if you like? :D
[06:30] <edgy> Toma-: i prefer to let the developers fix it so it would be a training session for them. I won't be available to help all the time ;)
[06:31] <Toma-> edgy: failing that, you could install gutsy with qemu to a virtual harddrive, mount it in ubuntu, then transfer the files to a folder, then chroot into it?
[06:32] <edgy> Toma-: how can I install it using qemu? it has no iso yet
[06:32] <Toma-> or simply keep it in a virtual drive and mount -o loop into it + chroot into that, leaving you with a stable snapshot
[06:32] <Toma-> edgy: feisty minimal then update
[06:33] <edgy> Toma-: thanks for the idea
[06:33] <Toma-> no problem
[06:33] <Toma-> Personally, i prefer the whole virtual harddrive thing, as its so easy to maintain
[06:35] <edgy> Toma-: can I mount -o loop an image installed via qemu? I am getting this: mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[06:35] <Toma-> no, make a harddrive/filesystem first then install into that, then mount it. dont use a qemu drive
[06:36] <Toma-> sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=gutsy.ext2 bs=1M count=2147 (for a 2GB drive)
[06:36] <Toma-> count = size in MB's
[06:37] <Toma-> then sudo mkfs.ext3 gutsy.ext3
[06:37] <Toma-> err
[06:37] <Toma-> 2
[06:37] <Toma-> you get the idea
[06:40] <edgy> Toma-: ok. thx
[06:40] <Toma-> no problem
[07:55] <fdoving> i have this issue with the latest gutsy kernel, my trackpoint stops working.
[07:56] <fdoving> anyone else experiencing that?
[07:57] <easytiger> anyone get vmware server 1.0.3 to work on ubuntu 7.10?
[08:39] <Chetwin> Hi all.  I was just read that shuttleworth is pulling out all non-free additions in gutsy.  No more auto installs for wireless drivers and video?
[08:39] <pwnguin> Chetwin: i havent seen this; perhaps he means a seperate distro?
[08:40] <pwnguin> Chetwin: url?
[08:40] <Chetwin> http://www.builderau.com.au/news/soa/Ubuntu-s-Gibbon-gets-free/0,339028227,339274828,00.htm
[08:40] <Chetwin> This worries me
[08:41] <pwnguin> i think the intention is to create an official distro, like kubuntu
[08:41] <Chetwin> Although, the nvidia-glx package that installs in feisty is a crap chute
[08:41] <pwnguin> i dont think it will directly impact Ubuntu
[08:41] <Chetwin> Locks up my system after a few hours
[08:41] <pwnguin> Chetwin: which nvidia card?
[08:41] <Chetwin> Well the auto notification and installation of my ipw3945 wireless drivers was a nice little gift when it first popped up
[08:42] <Chetwin> 7300 Go
[08:42] <Chetwin> It's not eleigible for legacy drivers
[08:42] <pwnguin> try nvidia-glx-new
[08:42] <pwnguin> nvidia's habit of dropping support is unfortunate for users currently
[08:42] <Chetwin> Bah, I just installed the binary from the nvidia site with --no-precomiled-interface option
[08:42] <pwnguin> well, as long as it works better for you
[08:42] <Chetwin> It seems to be fine, but time will tell
[08:43] <pwnguin> the nvidia-glx-new should carry some security fixes etc
[08:43] <Chetwin> I'm not very confident.  Hopeful is a better explination
[08:43] <pwnguin> Chetwin: try reading his actual email
[08:43] <Chetwin> It was strange because it would only happen when I was listening to music, made no sense
[08:43] <pwnguin> http://lwn.net/Articles/230229/
[08:43] <pwnguin> oh
[08:43] <pwnguin> you meant nvidia
[08:44] <shatrat> Chetwin, were you listening to music using a player with an openGL visualization pretty thingy?
[08:44] <Chetwin> Nope
[08:44] <Chetwin> banshee
[08:44] <Chetwin> Or rythmbox
[08:44] <Chetwin> Or totem
[08:44] <Chetwin> Doesn't matter
[08:44] <Chetwin> It just makes the HD race then lock up
[08:44] <shatrat> I blame sunspots
[08:44] <pwnguin> you sure it's nvidia causing this?
[08:45] <Chetwin> I switched back to the nv driver and had no problems
[08:45] <Chetwin> But I need 3d for my games
[08:45] <Chetwin> Odd to say about linux, but times are-a-changin *thank God*
[08:46] <cps1966> sure is better than vista ultimate
[08:46] <Chetwin> Sick
[08:46] <Chetwin> cps1966: I think I just threw up in my mouth
[08:47] <cps1966> well i had to try it on my old dually
[08:47] <cps1966> it'll never see this box
[08:47] <Chetwin> I admit, I fell victim to the vista hype for about 6 hours
[08:47] <pwnguin> if its any consolation the nvidia vista drivers suck too
[08:48] <Chetwin> Then I took my pill'buntu and was back in the game
[08:49] <Chetwin> If it's an consolation, Microsoft is still trying to pic lawsuits on other people for no reason lol
[08:49] <Chetwin> any*
[08:49] <cps1966> they are connered
[08:50] <cps1966> all m$ should be in jail
[08:50] <Chetwin> I don't think they have any room to point fingers.  We'd all be better off if they would just take a huge steaming dump inside all computers before they're shipped so we could smell it ahead of time
[08:51] <Chetwin> It would help the general public avoid all of the issues presented
[08:51] <cps1966> reboot to new kernel
[08:51] <Chetwin> *sarcasm* I'm very upset that I don't have to pay 30-90 bucks an hour for phone support on a product I paid 200+ for in the first place
[09:10] <Peaker> If I fix some packages on gutsy to work with each other, will package patches (to debian/* files) be accepted by Ubuntu?
[09:11] <Peaker> scipy isn't installable in gutsy - and I am trying to fix that
[09:25] <andreas23> hello
[09:26] <pwnguin> Peaker: ask in #ubuntu-motu; they'll tell you how to make sure it happens ^_^
[10:32] <Peaker> any estimates on the chances of beryl being enabled by default in gutsy? :)
[10:34] <crdlb> beryl, no
[10:34] <crdlb> compcomm, very possibly
[10:37] <Peaker> ah it was unforked, I forgot
[10:57] <cps1966> whats the name after gutsy
[11:00] <gnomefreak> cps1966: let us get gutsy done first
[11:00] <cps1966> well i want to know
[11:01] <gnomefreak> cps1966: it wont be picked until gutsy is about done
[11:01] <cps1966> i thought all were planned out to z
[11:02] <gnomefreak> no
[11:02] <gnomefreak> cps1966: mark picks them at end of each cycle
[11:02] <cps1966> hefty hog next
[11:03] <cps1966> if it has OO as office package
[11:04] <cps1966> OO should be an option
[11:05] <gnomefreak> cps1966: please talk about gutsy+1 somewhere else its offtopic for in here.
[11:08] <cps1966> oh gee i was just asking
[11:33] <sid> How is Gutsy.. is it functional.. ie gnome works etc?
[11:33] <cps1966> kde works
[11:34] <sid> cps1966: Does gutsty break often? ie, the system won't start every other week after an upgrade? Or is it "unstable" like debian sid is "unstable"?
[11:35] <cps1966> its not there yet
[11:35] <sid> Will an upgrade from edgy work.. or is it best to do a fresh format from a daily snapshot?
[11:35] <gnomefreak> sid: its not even been released to the public for testing
[11:36] <sid> gnomefreak: I know.
[11:36] <gnomefreak> there is no working ISO
[11:36] <cps1966> well i did upgrade only one glitch
[11:36] <sid> o, there are no dailys
[11:36] <gnomefreak> sid: so to ask does it break. yes it breaks
[11:36] <Pumpernickel> It'll break extremely often for awhile, still.
[11:40] <cps1966> gutsy is a safer bet
[11:41] <Pumpernickel> cps1966: errr... gutsy?
[11:41] <gnomefreak> cps1966: nothing is safe about gutsy
[11:41] <cps1966> ah its safe for me
[11:41] <crdlb> safer than what?
[11:41] <gnomefreak> what works for you doesnt mean it will work for everyone
[11:41] <cps1966> sid
[11:42] <gnomefreak> sid is much safer
[11:42] <cps1966> you can have it
[11:42] <gnomefreak> cps1966: i do i also have 2 gutsys 2 feistys a dapper + a bunch of chroots
[11:43] <sid> What is best to use, aptitude, apt-get, update-manager?
[11:43] <sid> I'm assuming update-manager.
[11:43] <Pumpernickel> Update-manager, usually.
[11:43] <crdlb> does update-manager work this early?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> sid: either way you will more than likely see breakage since the poppler merge is still kind of going on
[11:44] <gnomefreak> crdlb: yes and no. it will try to upgrade you but will more than likely fail unless michael has changed things for gutsy
[11:44] <sid> gnomefreak: I know, I expect breakage, I'll deal with the broken deps etc as they come.
[11:44] <gnomefreak> sid: do it using apt-get
[11:45] <sid> Need to get 347MB of archives.
[11:45] <sid> After unpacking 87.6MB of additional disk space will be used.
[11:45] <sid> gutsy is 87 megs larger than feisty. that's a lot
[11:45] <sid> (I have stock install)
[11:45] <gnomefreak> sid: that depends what you have installed
[11:46] <sid> only defaults
[11:46] <gnomefreak> that is not a accurate estimate
[11:46] <gnomefreak> if you have any other repo other than main than you are no longer default
[11:46] <gnomefreak> example feisty-updates repos
[12:15] <sid> so far no errors, everything is going smoothly.
[12:26] <RxDx> how can i chance my Feisty to get Gutsy unstable atualizations?
[12:27] <sid> RxDx: What is your goal?
[12:27] <RxDx> i want a very up to date system
[12:27] <gnomefreak> RxDx: stack with feisty for now
[12:27] <sid> RxDx: Edgy is a very up to date system. Gutsy is unstable and will likely break your system(often)
[12:27] <gnomefreak> sid: -edgy +feisty
[12:27] <sid> RxDx: And if you fix it, it will break again as updates flood into the repositories.
[12:27] <RxDx> ok.. thanks
[12:27] <RxDx> edgy is bugged.. feisty rullez ;)
[12:28] <sid> er
[12:28] <sid> s/Edgy/Feisty/
[12:28] <sid> RxDx: Is there a package Gutsy has that Feisty doesn't?
[12:28] <RxDx> i dont think.. but if theres i want to have it
[12:29] <gnomefreak> sid: not yet maybe 1 if you are lucky
[12:29] <tritium> RxDx: not necessarily.  There are some regressions.
[12:29] <RxDx> ahh.. thanks
[12:29] <gnomefreak> oh yeah the slow as crap gcc is in gutsy ;)
[12:29] <tritium> e.g., atherois AR5212 support in edgy works, but in feisty doesn't work on all hardware


[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #140948 in kubuntu-docs (main) "Kubuntu-docs: faulty string (#71) in network" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140948
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #140952 in kubuntu-docs (main) "Kubuntu-docs: faulty string (#16) in printing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140952
[04:41] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: sbalneav * r4379 edubuntu/handbook/C/server.xml: Fixed server sizing, added X_VIDEORAM and X_OPTIONS
[04:51] <TeTeT> what do you guys use for editing the documentation XML files? gedit, vim, emacs? Any XML/Docbook editors?
[04:59] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r4380 kubuntu/ (5 files in 5 dirs):
[04:59] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: Fixed printing string for the HP Toolbox (LP: #140952)
[04:59] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: Fixed network string (typo and grammar)(LP: #140948)
[04:59] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: Updated the pot files for these files - manual upload to LP
[04:59] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: Removed the menu option for HP Toolbox from kde-menus
[08:57] <alitadeposca> hi
[08:57] <alitadeposca> need a little help trying to get started
[08:58] <alitadeposca> i want to join the ubuntu doc project
[08:58] <alitadeposca> anyone can help me?
[09:00] <alitadeposca> i'm from Argentina, my mother tongue is spanish, so i guess i could translate some docs to begin with, right?
[09:07] <alitadeposca> anybody out there????!
[09:07] <seisen> check this link out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Mentoring
[09:07] <alitadeposca> thanks
[09:07] <seisen> no problem
[11:28] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: lucius * r4381 xubuntu/about/xubuntu-index.html: update browser startpage
[11:49] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: lucius * r4382 xubuntu/desktop-effects/C/desktop-effects.xml: update desktop effects info
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #141099 in ubuntu-doc "Does translate.sh work definitely?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141099
[11:58] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: lucius * r4383 xubuntu/ (about-ubuntu/ games/ libs/shipped-docs): we do not need about-ubuntu, because we have about-xubuntu, and we do not ship games


[03:15] <lampe> hello
[03:17] <leftStanding> hi, i have a webcam and have installed xawTV, under gentoo the setup was pretty flawless, but under xubuntu i'm getting an XFree86-DGA failed request. does anyone know why that happens?
[03:17] <lampe> o0
[03:17] <lampe> did some one know how i add a theme to xfce ?
[04:11] <xaer0> hello
[04:25] <p47ch> hi all  I have a problem, when I connect my pendrive xubuntu get crash, what should I do ?
[04:28] <p47ch> when I connect my pendrive before to turn on my pc it detect without problems, the problem is when I connect it while xubuntu is runing
[04:28] <p47ch> does anybody here can help me ?
[04:44] <Rhorse> can anyone recommend a graphical audio equalizer from the repos?
[05:20] <carbuntu> can anyne tell me why my screenres went from bad to worse after updating nvidia card driver to enable desktp effects, also i frgot how to make 4 desktops show instead of 2
[05:27] <carbuntu> can anyne tell me why my screenres went from bad to worse after updating nvidia card driver to enable desktp effects, also i frgot how to make 4 desktops show instead of 2
[05:33] <carbuntu> omg, can anyone tell me hw to save and exit out of nano, i just edited xorg.conf
[05:41] <rocko_> hello
[05:43] <carbuntu> hmmmm.... edited xorg.conf and changed default depth from 24 to 16, but i'm still getting like 640 x 480 screenres, can anyone help
[05:43] <rocko_> I have problem with bootup messages not showing up when I change the default vga size in menu.lst which it worked in older xubuntu releases
[05:44] <carbuntu> plus, the little spray effect when i click on the firefx icon seems to have disappeared
[10:20] <akatsuki> hello, i wonder if xubuntu 8.04 is exactly the same thing as ubuntu 8.04?
[10:20] <akatsuki> just using xfce?
[10:20] <akatsuki> in that case if i install xfce to ubuntu would be the same thing?
[10:24] <ablomen> akatsuki, yeah xubuntu is mostly just normal ubuntu with xubuntu-desktop installed in the place of ubuntu-dekstop
[10:25] <ablomen> (those are meta packages that install the default applications etc)
[10:25] <akatsuki> i see
[10:25] <akatsuki> i really want to give a try to xubuntu since my laptop is not that great
[10:25] <akatsuki> xubuntu may run better on my laptop
[10:25] <akatsuki> i will try it
[10:26] <ablomen> cool :)
[10:26] <akatsuki> but since im newbie, im worry about something.. usually there is a lot of documentation for ubuntu and tutorial for example the way i got my wifi working
[10:26] <akatsuki> but some guy told me that the same commands lines will not work for xubuntu, that i need to change it abit?
[10:26] <akatsuki> i wonder what is that
[10:27] <ablomen> ehm.. well it should just work, if the script depends on some gnome apps, you can just keep those gnome apps
[10:27] <akatsuki> but since ubuntu use gedit and xubuntu use
[10:27] <akatsuki> another one i dont remember the name
[10:27] <akatsuki> i cant use gedit anymore
[10:27] <ablomen> mousepad
[10:27] <akatsuki> yeah that one
[10:27] <ablomen> but yeah you can use gedit
[10:28] <akatsuki> i see
[10:28] <akatsuki> had anyone try fluxbox on xubuntu before?
[10:28] <ablomen> i run xubuntu but use gedit for my job, it works exactly the same on xubuntu as on ubuntu :)
[10:28] <akatsuki> i see
[10:29] <akatsuki> does fluxbux ist more lighweight han gnome?
[10:29] <akatsuki> then
[10:29] <akatsuki> than*
[10:29] <ablomen> yeah used flux/open/blackbox
[10:30] <ablomen> well it is more lightweight if you make it more lightweight, if you for example use fluxbox but still use nautilus to browse your files you wont get a lot of speed difference
[10:30] <ablomen> same for any window manager/desktop envoirement
[10:31] <ablomen> but yeah if you say use openbox+thunar+midori its a lot lighter then gnome+nautilus+firefox
[13:53] <krox> hi all
[15:34] <Yawg> i'm in the process of installing xubuntu on a decTOP and i'm stuck at "could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libc6..."
[15:36] <Yawg> thought maybe this comes up often
[15:36] <TheSheep> Yawg: first time I see it, google might know something
[15:36] <Yawg> yeah i'm looking, a few people mention it but i don't see a solution yet
[15:37] <TheSheep> Yawg: btw, did you check teh cd for defects?
[15:37] <Yawg> yes, it said there were but i'm not using the cd anymore, i'm far enough in where i can do the rest over the network
[15:37] <TheSheep> you know, just in case
[15:37] <TheSheep> maybe it failed on some part that was required...
[15:38] <Yawg> i burned it twice and it failed twice
[15:38] <Yawg> so i figured it would always fail
[15:38] <Yawg> i had to use the usb live install method
[15:38] <Yawg> and i figured tht was causing the fail
[15:40] <Yawg> here is the more specific error:
[15:40] <Yawg> err, the line it failed on
[15:41] <Yawg> dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-10ubuntu3_i386.deb
[15:45] <jdawiz> anyone know why when I rebooted my xubuntu 8.04 I now get the blue background and some of the programs I had running when I restarted (pidgin and update manager) .  I do not have a top bar nor bottom and right clicking doesn't not offer any menus
[15:47] <jdawiz> i had searched in forums but didn't find anything that helped me
[15:49] <TheSheep> jdawiz: I don't why it's so, but I know how to fix it
[15:50] <TheSheep> jdawiz: press alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel' and press enter
[15:50] <TheSheep> jdawiz: then press alt+f2 again and type 'xfdesktop' and press enter
[15:50] <TheSheep> jdawiz: then log out, making sure the 'save session' checkbox is on
[15:51] <jdawiz> wow.. you the man
[15:51] <jdawiz> thanks a lot
[15:51] <jdawiz> or woman
[15:51] <jdawiz> sorry
[15:57] <TheSheep> there is no gender on irc :)
[16:00] <jdawiz> exactly .. so i am not sure what the pc statement is for you the man ... ... lol
[16:07] <Yawg> man means human unless it obviously means male
[16:24] <jdawiz> ty
[16:32] <th0r> How do you make the xfce panel assume 'normal' status...that is, not always on top of other windows
[16:36] <mortal1> it doesn't seem like xubuntu's memory foot print is that much lower than ubuntu's is it?
[16:37] <mortal1> i mean, with xub desktop loaded up, it takes up like 120mb vs 160 for ubuntu
[16:37] <mortal1> granted, if you only have 128mb of ram that'd make a big diff, but most comps these days have 512
[16:38] <mortal1> even the old ones
[16:38] <th0r> mortal1, I stick with xfce not because of memory issues, but overall performance.
[16:39] <mortal1> yeah I like it well enough
[16:39] <th0r> mortal1, that and the fact you cannot have a clean desktop in gnome or kde
[16:39] <mortal1> I think next time, I'm gona do a ubuntu install, and then install the xub desk along side it
[16:40] <mortal1> that way I'll have those gnome apps that don't have good replacements in xub
[16:40] <mortal1> ...and, OO.org looks funky
[16:41] <mortal1> th0r, do you use the latest version of vuze?
[16:53] <th0r> vuze?
[16:54] <th0r> mortal1, I have done that before...installed ubuntu and then added xfce...just decided to take the lazy way this time
[16:54] <th0r> mortal1, I will probably add all the gnome stuff by the time I am done. But I don't use many of the panel apps or things like that
[19:13] <T045T> hi
[19:15] <T045T> I'm having trouble booting the xubuntu 8.04 liveCD ... the only hints I have are the following three lines of output (truncated) "ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct ...."  "ata2.00: cmd a0/00:00:00..." "ata2.00: status: {DRDY}"
[19:16] <T045T> any ideas?
[19:43] <palace_music> Hi folks, newb question: when I try to open F-Spot photo manager and Banshee music player, I get error messages saying that DBUS is not installed properly. Can anyone point to info on DBUS? How do I ensure that it is set up properly?
[19:49] <ere4si> I get a similar message when I use   gksu thunar /  - how do we sort it out?
[19:53] <palace_music> I just found this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=260f4b5055f5e478d482c6f7794e1212&t=465473&page=1
[20:07] <th0r> does anyone know of a way to make the xfce panel NOT 'stay on top'
[20:09] <ere4si> thor:you can select autohide in its' configuration
[20:10] <th0r> ere4si, yeah, but I ddidn't want to hide it per se, just make it act like a normal window
[20:11] <th0r> ere4si, 90% of the tiime I want it visible, but when I maximize a window I want it to maximize, and the panel in the bottom corner stops it from doing that
[20:12] <ere4si> thor:I think it is set up to be visible at all times - autohiding it is the only thing I've found to get a fully maximized window
[20:13] <th0r> ere4si, yeah...from what I have found on the web that  is the design...I was hoping someone knew a hex byte to insert somewhere to change that <smile>
[20:16] <cody-somerville> th0r, programs that support "full screen" will render over the panel
[20:16] <cody-somerville> th0r, furthermore, the source code is available so you could patch it :]
[20:16] <th0r> cody-somerville, possibly, but maximizing firefox or xchat won't
[20:16] <cody-somerville> For Firefox, hit F11
[20:17] <th0r> cody-somerville, F11 is full screen...not maximize <smile>
[20:17] <cody-somerville> th0r, indeed
[20:18] <th0r> cody-somerville, just my opinion, but unless I specifically mark something to remain on top I would expect all software to conform to the same rules
[20:18] <th0r> cody-somerville, when I maximize xchat it covers gkrellm...and anything else on the desktop, except the xfce panel
[20:19] <cody-somerville> th0r, I'm pretty sure it is intentional.
[20:19] <th0r> cody-somerville, I am sure it is. Was jus thoping to find a hack
[20:19] <cody-somerville> th0r, If you're comfortable enough, you could probably recompile it patched to do just that
[20:20] <th0r> cody-somerville, that is an option...but not high on my list. Was hoping to find a quick fix
[20:21] <cody-somerville> th0r, apt-get source xfce4-panel will quickly get you the source
[20:21] <cody-somerville> th0r, it'll probably just involve commenting out a line somewhere or two
[20:22] <ere4si> thor: from this site - http://www.techsupportforum.com/alternative-computing/linux-support/118643-xfce-panel.html - xfce4.2 used to have a checkbox for "staying on top"
[20:22] <th0r> ere4si, 'used to' is the operative phrase there
[20:23] <th0r> ere4si, don't know what insanity compelled them to remove it <smile>
[20:23] <cody-somerville> th0r, I can ask for you.
[20:23] <th0r> cody-somerville, no....don't want to raise any hackles
[20:23] <cody-somerville> ;]
[20:53] <kilonux> sorry,  real noob here, I just installed xubuntu desktop and logged in , things were OK but:  don't know what happened, I am now back in Gnome and don't know how to login to xfce again
[20:54] <kilonux> I can disconnect from this session, but all I know to do is to then write "startx" and that brings me into gnome
[20:57] <piju> kilonux, change ur session on gdm
[21:01] <kilonux> piju:  that gives me a black screen, and I don't know what else to do with it than startx
[21:02] <piju> kilonux, try "gdm"
[21:02] <kilonux> ok
[22:20] <cody-somerville> If any folks are interested, we're testing the candidate ISOs for Intrepid Alpha 2. You can help test by visiting http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/xubuntu/all :)
[22:22] <xTheSaintx> yo, how do i get webcam working on skype?
[22:22] <cody-somerville> xTheSaintx, is your webcam supported?
[22:23] <xTheSaintx> no, i cannot see others on webcam
[22:27] <xTheSaintx> Got any fixes?
[22:28] <cody-somerville> xTheSaintx, what model?
[22:29] <xTheSaintx> wat model of what?
[22:29] <xTheSaintx> Do i need to install anything to get the video fixed?
[22:30] <cody-somerville> Is your problem that your webcam is not working or you can't see theirs?
[22:31] <xTheSaintx> i carnt see theirs
[22:34] <cody-somerville> xTheSaintx, http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showforum=194
[22:37] <xTheSaintx> what post will it help me?
[22:39] <cody-somerville> xTheSaintx, This one seems to have some useful info: http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=126321
[22:39] <cody-somerville> It suggests upgrading to the newer version of Skype (which is unsupported but will probably fix your problem)
[22:40] <xTheSaintx> http://www.skype.com/intl/en-gb/download/skype/linux/choose/
[22:40] <xTheSaintx> What one is for xubuntu
[22:41] <cody-somerville> http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-ubuntu
[22:44] <xTheSaintx> kk i downloaded
[22:44] <xTheSaintx> how do i install?
[22:44] <xTheSaintx> its all folders/files no .exes or what ever
[22:50] <nameusername> I'm wondering about installing linux for a senior
[22:50] <nameusername> who has little experience with computers
[22:50] <xTheSaintx> cody, how do i install the files/
[22:51] <rand0m> for some reason, my keyboard is all weird.  When i try to use an apostrophe or quotation mark, i have to hold shift and push the ¨ button like 3 times to get one.. if i dont.. it just shows up as like an accented letter like (á) <-- that´s just pressed ' once then a
[22:51] <rand0m> anyone know how to get it back to normal
[22:55] <cody-somerville> Ok
[22:55] <cody-somerville> xTheSaintx, double click on the deb file
[22:55] <xTheSaintx> yeh
[22:55] <xTheSaintx> it opens as a file
[22:55] <xTheSaintx> well
[22:55] <xTheSaintx> File manager
[22:55] <xTheSaintx> and its got control.tar.gz
[22:55] <xTheSaintx> data.tar.gz
[22:56] <xTheSaintx> debian-binary
[22:56] <cody-somerville> xTheSaintx, Weird. Force it to open with gdebi
[22:56] <cody-somerville> xTheSaintx, and please file a bug
[22:56] <cody-somerville> rand0m,  you can try reconfiguring X: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[22:57] <cody-somerville> nameusername, Ubuntu would probably be a better choice for individuals new to Linux.
[22:57] <xTheSaintx> cody is there any other way in getting webcam
[22:58] <cody-somerville> xTheSaintx, Probably not. That forum post seemed to indicate it was a bug in that version.
[22:58] <xTheSaintx> no, but any other programs
[22:59] <xTheSaintx> for webcam
[22:59] <cody-somerville> xTheSaintx, oh, sure.
[22:59] <cody-somerville> xTheSaintx, aMSN
[22:59] <xTheSaintx> is there like sudo apt-get aMSN?
[23:00] <cody-somerville> Click Applications > Setting > Add/Remove
[23:00] <cody-somerville> Click "all software" from the dropdown
[23:00] <cody-somerville> and then type in: amsn
[23:00] <cody-somerville> Check off the box next to it and click install
[23:04] <RandyboY> Whats the difference between Hardy and Gutsy?
[23:06] <nameusername> cody-somerville:  I'm thinking about xubuntu because it's a win 98 computer, and ram might be an issue.  Also, do you know anything about driver compatability for sony cameras?
[23:07] <cody-somerville> RandyboY, Thats a tough question to answer in a few words.
[23:08] <cody-somerville> nameusername, Okay. As for Sony Camera, most cameras just work out of the box as mass storage devices.
[23:08] <RandyboY> cody-somerville, ok... I wasnt asking for specifics, but just to understand why gutsy isnt hardy and vice versa
[23:09] <cody-somerville> RandyboY, Hardy is a newer version of Xubuntu
[23:09] <nameusername> any recommendation for a pretty picture manager such as picasa is for windows
[23:09] <cody-somerville> nameusername, well... picasa runs on Linux :)
[23:09] <nameusername> well there we go...
[23:09] <RandyboY> cody-somerville, uh, huh? Xubuntu?
[23:10] <cody-somerville> RandyboY, Hardy and Gutsy are just code names for releases
[23:10] <nameusername> ah, its a labs project
[23:45] <xTheSaintx> when i start up my PC i get this eror about xubuntu
[23:45] <xTheSaintx> so on startup i have to press ESC and then select one
[23:45] <xTheSaintx> But i tried to install Win XP and it dosent work


[00:02] <cjwatson> ogra_: heh, I just noticed that depending on PPAs in ubuntu-touch means it will never migrate from -proposed
[00:02] <cjwatson> ogra_: you might want to demote the packages in question to recommends to work around that
[00:06] <ogra_> cjwatson, heh, ok
[00:06] <ogra_> cjwatson, we will have to wait for the PPAs anyway
[00:06] <ogra_> i doubt we'll get them all migrated today unless there is a single person with upload rights to all of them
[02:49] <Bluefoxicy> "Fragmentary revision notes in English and Mandarin Chinese, course titles matching the University of Oxford 200█-█ year Computational Biology MSc course. Many references and criticisms made relating to an apparently unreliable Ubuntu release titled Perky Polecat with features (none anomalous) not present in any copy of this software to date."
[02:50] <Bluefoxicy> ... Perky Polecat?  37.04 is Perky Polecat?
[02:51] <Bluefoxicy> sorry, 25.04 I guess
[06:57] <zyga> hi
[07:32] <lazka> raring PPA is broken: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/138911345/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-i386.quodlibet_2.9.99%2B5770-0~rev5770~ec16f96da206~ppa1~raring_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[07:32] <lazka> fyi
[07:33] <lazka> quantal too
[07:33] <lazka> bad timing?
[07:35]  * mlankhorst looks at excuse calendar
[07:36] <mlankhorst> from the log it looks like /home/buildd/.sbuildrc is broken, so most likely everything fails :)
[07:37] <rbasak> Has something change in schroot or mk-sbuild recently? My new saucy schroot doesn't seem to overlay my existing /tmp or ~ directories, which used to be handy for transferring stuff across the environments.
[07:41] <lazka> ok, some went through, it only fails on this build slave: https://launchpad.net/builders/wani05
[07:42] <rbasak> /etc/schroot/default/fstab does contain bind entries for /home and /tmp, but they don't seem to work now.
[07:44] <rbasak> I found a workaround - I copied the /home and /tmp lines from /etc/schroot/default/fstab to /etc/schroot/sbuild/fstab
[07:45] <lazka> lamont, your slave is broken ^
[08:32] <lazka> Can someone please disable https://launchpad.net/builders/wani05
[08:32] <lazka> It's driving me crazy that I have to rebuild until I get another builder randomly
[08:38] <christoffer> anyone here knows if "locs" is short for "lines of code"? ...just curious about the added added "s" at the end of the abbreviation
[08:41] <zyga> diwic: ping
[08:41] <diwic> zyga, hi
[08:41] <zyga> diwic: do you know how to generate a file like the one here: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/138752234/AlsaInfo.txt
[08:42] <diwic> zyga, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/AlsaInfo
[08:42] <zyga> thanks
[08:43] <diwic> zyga, on 12.10+ you don't need to download it, we ship the script in /usr/lib/alsa-base somewhere IIRC
[08:43] <zyga> diwic: thanks, I'm trying to update the bug on precise
[08:43] <zyga> and after dpkg -S a bit I could not find anything
[08:46] <diwic> zyga, alsa-base: /usr/share/alsa-base/alsa-info.sh
[08:47] <zyga> diwic: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1174696 I've updated that bug, it seems that kernel fails to validate EDID on raring but either ignores or validates okay on precise
[08:49] <diwic> zyga, I have a hard time believing EDID reads have anything to do with sound quality
[08:49] <diwic> zyga, also, Raymond has a tendency to bring up irrelevant stuff; but he's sometimes right, too.
[08:51] <zyga> diwic: well, it's an interesting difference non the less
[08:51] <zyga> diwic: I wonder if the adapter is doing some tricks, it's a bit large so it might be a active adapter, it's hard to say
[09:01] <diwic> zyga, if you do direct playback ( speaker-test -c 2 -D hdmi:x,y -t sine ) in 13.04, is there still metallic sound?
[09:02] <diwic> zyga, where x and y is probably 1 and 1 ( hdmi:1,1 )
[09:07] <zyga> diwic: let's check
[09:09] <zyga> diwic: yes
[09:09] <zyga> diwic: it's very strange
[09:11] <zyga> diwic: how can I use speaker test to play through the built-in speakers for comparison?
[09:12] <mwhudson> i think a dp->hdmi adapter more or less has to be active
[09:12] <mwhudson> maybe?
[09:12]  * mwhudson shouldn't be trying to think any more today
[09:13] <zyga> mwhudson: hi
[09:13] <zyga> mwhudson: not really, there is dual mode
[09:14] <mwhudson> zyga: oh yes, i have the dual mode dp icon on my thinkpad
[09:18] <zyga> mwhudson: interesting, where is it?
[09:18] <zyga> mwhudson: I just checked, this unit has the same icon
[09:18] <zyga> mwhudson: right above the dp port
[09:20] <mwhudson> yeah
[09:39] <diwic> zyga, speaker-test -D plughw:MID -c 2 -t sine
[09:40] <diwic> zyga, and for hdmi: speaker-test -D hdmi:NVidia,1 -c 2 -t sine
[09:45] <zyga> thanks
[09:46] <diwic> zyga, and through pulseaudio: speaker-test -D pulse -c 2 -t sine
[09:46] <zyga> thanks that works
[09:46] <diwic> zyga, you can also try -t wav or leave it out if you want white noise. Not sure which one's best for testing metallic sounds.
[09:47] <zyga> diwic: noise is very different on left vs right speaker
[09:47] <diwic> zyga, are you talking HDMI now or analog output?
[09:47] <zyga> diwic: analog
[09:47] <zyga> diwic: btw, the nvidia part does not work
[09:47] <diwic> zyga, so you're having audio distortions on analog audio now?
[09:48] <zyga> diwic: well, no, it's just different, the wav playback is really okay
[09:48] <zyga> diwic: I would assume noise to sound the same
[09:49] <zyga> diwic: if you want to jump to a hangout and listen for yourself just say so
[09:50] <zyga> huh
[09:50] <zyga> diwic: hdmi just went silent
[09:50] <diwic> zyga, well, some notebooks don't put too much quality into their speakers; or things around them resonate, etc...so it's not unusual for the left and right speakers to sound slightly different, unfortunately
[09:50] <zyga> ah
[09:50] <zyga> ok
[09:51] <zyga> I was playing sine, it was very corrupted, then went silent, detaching and re-attaching the cable made it work again though so no burned out speakers :)
[09:51] <diwic> zyga, make sure you wait 5-10 seconds between trying with pulse and without
[09:51] <zyga> hrw: ^^ ;-)
[09:51] <zyga> diwic: pulse is the same
[09:52] <diwic> zyga, or one of them might fail with -EBUSY
[09:52] <zyga> right
[09:52]  * zyga recalls esd years ago ;)
[10:11] <Daviey> cjwatson: Hey, would you have expected "base-installer/kernel/altmeta string virtual" to install the linux-virtual kernel in precise?
[10:32] <anonymous_> Opinions: Is Quickly worth learning? I've never used Python and GTK together. I've seen the developer.ubuntu site say all three are recommended. I've never heard Quickly before today, so is it just promoting a new way forward??
[10:33] <vibhav> anonymous_: I find qucikly easy to use
[10:33] <vibhav> Though it is a matter of opinion
[10:34] <vibhav> anonymous_: Also, if you any other questions on quickly, try #ubuntu-app-devel
[10:38] <anonymous_> vibhav: Thanks, I thought I posted it in that channel; not good with mornings sorry :)
[10:39] <vibhav> never mind
[10:57] <albttashi> hi
[10:59] <albttashi> want start develop on Ubuntu , any guideline
[10:59] <albttashi> whats preferred  languages on ubuntu ?
[11:00] <ion> The distro isn’t relevant. Any language you prefer.
[11:03] <sladen> albttashi: what do you want *to make* ?
[11:04] <albttashi> ion, what's language is better ? which had good ide in ubuntu
[11:05] <albttashi> salden: for now I want to learn , then I wanna make small desktop or web app
[11:05] <albttashi> what about java ??
[11:09] <hulu> helo
[11:10] <hulu> who can help me with custom livecd
[11:10] <hulu> i want to change /etc/skel,but the livecd create default user without /etc/skel
[11:10] <hulu> who can help me
[11:12] <apachelogger> hulu: you'll want to use casper for that
[11:13] <hulu> apachelogger: how to do
[11:13] <apachelogger> add a script
[11:13] <hulu> apachelogger: where to add
[11:13] <apachelogger> I don't know
[11:13] <apachelogger> dpkg -L casper might help
[11:14] <hulu> apachelogger: let's try
[11:14] <apachelogger> just have a look for 25add-user or somesuch file, it is the one that actually adds the user
[11:14] <apachelogger> so in the same folder you want to have 9000add-additional-plunder for example
[11:15] <hulu> apachelogger: why 12.10 needn't
[11:39] <hulu> apachelogger: are you there?
[11:53] <hulu> apachelogger: are you there
[11:58] <hulu> who can help me
[12:36] <tkamppeter> bryce, ^^
[12:36] <tkamppeter> sorry, ignore this, typo
[12:43] <mzaza> I got this error while trying to decrept message using gpg gpg: decrypt_message failed: eof
[12:44] <rbasak> Is there a tool that will easily verify for me that all my build-depends and depends are in main? Right now I'm manually checking using rmadison.
[12:46] <lamont> apt-get --print-uris crossed with apt-cache, I expect?
[12:47] <geser> rbasak: 404main - check if all build dependencies of a package are in main (in ubuntu-dev-tools)
[12:49] <hulu> who can help me on livecd
[12:49] <rbasak> geser: thanks, that looks promising! But it looks like it operates out of the archive, rather than out of my package source tree. This is for a merge from Debian where some dependencies have been not in main in the past. I'd like to make sure I've covered everything before sponsorshipupload.
[12:51] <geser> rbasak: not sure if "check-mir" helps you there. An other option is to try to build it a pbuilder/sbuild with only main enabled
[12:57] <rbasak> geser: check-mir is exactly what I wanted. Thanks! I was hoping not to have to fiddle with my schroots :)
[12:58] <OdyX> tkamppeter: your cups patch for the USB backend apparently make the cups build more sensitive to USB backends presence, see  https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=cups&suite=experimental
[13:08] <hulu> apachelogger: are you there?
[13:19] <tkamppeter> OdyX, before, on a system without USB (or with USB turned off in the BIOS) the USB backend crashed, and so exited with some error status and a crash message in syslog, now the backend exits gracefully. Or is the problem that it issues a warning in error_log?
[13:24] <mzaza> I have followed the Ubuntu beginners developer guid and while I was creating a gpg key I got a email to verify my key which I should decrypt however I get that error while trying to decrepy.
[13:24] <mzaza> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[13:24] <mzaza> gpg: decrypt_message failed: eof
[13:26] <mzaza> I have an error while I try to gpg --list-key
[13:28] <mzaza> I fixed the error when I try to list keys but I still get the error explained above
[15:01] <OdyX> tkamppeter: well, it issues a warning in the error_log, which is unexpected by the test-suite, which should then be amended. :)
[15:01] <OdyX> tkamppeter: as you maybe saw, I amended your "depends on avahi-daemon" change to have that only be true in Ubuntu.
[15:11] <mzaza> If I can program in C++ but still a newbie, could I start by fixing bugs in Unity. Or do you recommend anything else?
[15:13] <mzaza> I tried reading the guides in the Ubuntu wiki but after reading each page I feel more lost. I did setup my enviroment and installed necessary tools. And got little bit familiar with getting the code of packages.
[15:18] <chilicuil> mzaza: I'd start with bitesize bugs, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Bitesize , I've never worked with unity, though, so I don't really know how hard they are
[15:18] <tkamppeter> OdyX, perhaps we simply remove the warning from the patch, to make the number of warnings in the test run not dependent of the presence of USB support in the build system?
[15:18] <mzaza> chilicuil: What about harvest?
[15:19] <OdyX> tkamppeter: that or "also" patch the test-suite to ignore those, which is probably better.
[15:19] <chilicuil> mzaza: yeah, harvest should be able to provide some easy to fix bugs
[15:19] <OdyX> tkamppeter: also, DEP-3 headers to your patch would be greate
[15:21] <mzaza> chilicuil: I was looking for any project written in C++, that's why I choose Unity.
[15:37] <ev> bdmurray, mpt: https://errors.staging.ubuntu.com/ - we're getting closer (prodstack)
[15:46] <mpt> ev, 13.10 in the legend, but "No Data Available". Is that what I'm supposed to be seeing?
[15:49] <ev> mpt: there's only a single error report in there
[15:49] <ev> it's using a fresh cassandra database
[15:49] <ev> mpt: assuming you're talking about errors.staging.u.c
[15:51] <mpt> I see
[16:15] <pitti> psusi: hey Phillip
[16:16] <pitti> psusi: do you plan to merge util-linux, or shall I steal this from you?
[16:16] <pitti> I need to make a change to it
[16:49] <mitya57> hi doko, can you please comment on debian bug 675008?
[16:49] <mitya57> this is blocking new gnome-terminal 3.8
[16:49] <mitya57> see gnome bug 697475 for the background
[17:00] <bdmurray> mterry: there is an issue with update-manager -c -d not showing saucy however do-release-upgrade -d works.  I haven't quite found the issue yet.
[17:08] <psusi> pitti: sorry, what?
[17:09] <pitti> psusi: you are TIL, so your name appears on merges.u.c.
[17:09] <pitti> but I just noticed that I don't have to change it after all, so nevermind
[17:14] <psusi> TIL?
[17:14] <Laney> touched it last
[17:15] <bdmurray> mterry: the same thing may be true for Q to R see bug 1174242
[17:16] <mterry> bdmurray, I thought that was a bug we already fixed?
[17:17] <bdmurray> mterry: there is no message shown about a new release being available its not the import error
[17:29] <blitzkrieg3> does anyone have some spare time to sponsor bug 8877446?
[17:30] <blitzkrieg3> sorry ubottu
[17:30] <blitzkrieg3> bug 887446
[17:32] <mterry> bdmurray, I can look into this
[17:32] <bdmurray> mterry: that'd be great, thanks!
[17:34] <cjwatson> Daviey: All other things being equal, yes, I think so.  However there are some overrides that might be looked at first, so if it's going wrong I'd need to see a full log.
[17:56] <doko> apw, ogasawara: how do I enable a verbose kernel build? and why isn't this the default? I think we had this discussion in the past ...
[18:04] <ogra_> cjwatson, hnmm, for-project doesnt really like ubuntu-touch, is there a way to directly trigger the livefs build without involving for-project in the new cdimage world ?
[18:07] <slangasek> ogra_: you should be able to just set PROJECT=$foo cron.daily-$which $opts
[18:07] <ogra_> ah, cool
[18:07] <ogra_> trying
[18:07] <infinity> doko: V=1
[18:08] <apw> what he said
[18:09] <slangasek> apw: fwiw, +1 for doko to have V=1 set for the kernel builds by default
[18:10] <slangasek> apw: always better for debugging to see exactly what commands were running on the buildd at the time it went wrong...
[18:11] <mitya57> doko: any comment on my message? resolving that is listed in the gnome-3.8 blueprint ...
[18:12] <doko> mitya57, didn't look at it yet
[18:13] <mitya57> doko: so please comment there when you get to it, thanks!
[18:19] <ogra_> sergiusens, so my build fails on super-friends  and the sdk PPA ... were these the two you said that could go ?
[18:20] <ogra_> (funnily it doesnt fail in my chroot)
[18:23] <mitya57> shadeslayer: I've tried to look at okular abi change, it doesn't exist in clean raring but exists on clean saucy (i.e. without my poppler)
[18:23] <shadeslayer> :S
[18:23] <shadeslayer> that's quite odd
[18:23] <shadeslayer> mayeb it's because of gcc?
[18:23] <mitya57> yes, I think so
[18:24] <shadeslayer> try building it on Raring + gcc 4.8 ?
[18:24] <mitya57> will try now
[18:24] <shadeslayer> ack, and thanks for taking care of that :)
[18:26] <shadeslayer> mitya57: and it should be trivial enough to bump the ABI using X-Debian-ABI
[18:26] <mitya57> I still want to know what caused it :)
[18:37] <cjwatson> ogra_: It might take a whole two minutes to add ubuntu-touch support to cdimage.project :)
[18:37] <ogra_> heh
[18:37] <ogra_> well, it worked with setting PROJECT
[18:37] <cjwatson> Feel free
[18:38] <ogra_> yeah, will do ... i have to wait for a new livecd-rootfs anyway
[18:41] <shadeslayer> mitya57_: :)
[18:46] <ogra_> cjwatson, adding it to lib/cdimage/project.py and default-arches should be enough, right ?
[18:48] <cjwatson> ogra_: Yes.  Note that ubuntu-touch-preview is already there though
[18:48] <ogra_> yeah, just a copy paste job :)
[18:48] <cjwatson> You should grep for all existing references to ubuntu-touch-preview
[19:17] <ogra_> cjwatson, hmm, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/CDImageSetup seems pretty outdated, how /where do i push/pull nowadays ?
[19:19] <ogra_> bfiller, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/saucy/ubuntu-touch/
[19:20] <mitya57_> shadeslayer: raring+4.8 builds fine
[19:20] <ogra_> bfiller, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.saucy
[19:20] <cjwatson> ogra_: I forgot about that page; I'll update
[19:20] <ogra_> cjwatson, thx
[19:20] <cjwatson> ogra_: I did send you personal e-mail about it :P
[19:20] <ogra_> i actually havent pushed since you redesigned the setup ...
[19:20] <ogra_> oops !
[19:21] <seb128> ev, do you know what could make whoopsie not report issues to the server? chrisccoulson's issues seem to go only to launchpad
[19:22] <seb128> they don't show up on whoopsie's page and he only has .upload files (not .uploaded ones)
[19:22] <seb128> ev, the config in /etc/default/whoopsie has = true
[19:22] <ahoneybun> ogra_: do you have new images of Kubuntu Active?
[19:22] <ogra_> ahoneybun, only the ones that we built for you recently
[19:22] <ev> seb128: he could try running it in foreground mode: sudo stop whoopsie; sudo CRASH_DB_URL=https://daisy.ubuntu.com whoopsie -f
[19:23] <cjwatson> ogra_: updated now, but see "Subject: ubuntu-cdimage private branch decommissioned" from me on Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:41:18 +0000
[19:23] <ev> seb128: let me know if you want me to come over and investigate some time after lunch
[19:23] <ogra_> cjwatson, yeah, thanks
[19:23] <ahoneybun> ogra_:  in the ones for Feb?
[19:24] <seb128> ev, ok, thanks
[19:24] <ogra_> ahoneybun, nope, the onse tou asked for a few days ago
[19:24] <seb128> ev, is whoopsie having any log on disk?
[19:24] <ogra_> *the ones you
[19:24] <ahoneybun> ogra_: I don't see them up
[19:25] <ogra_> ahoneybun, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/raring/daily-preinstalled/... iirc cjwatson pointed you to it back then
[19:25] <ev> seb128: not by default, no
[19:25] <ahoneybun> Oh my bad I must have been away
[19:25] <ahoneybun> ogra_: thanks!
[19:25] <ogra_> :)
[19:26] <seb128> ev, ok
[19:26] <ev> other than the upstart job log /var/log/upstart/whoopsie*
[19:26] <ahoneybun> ogra_: now for the debugging, I could not get the last ones to work right on my n7
[19:28] <seb128> ev, files got uploaded after running that command by hand, weir
[19:28] <ev> very strange
[19:28] <ev> I wonder if whoopsie wasn't running?
[19:28] <ev> and so that stop was a no-op
[19:29] <seb128> ev, it was running, we checked that first
[19:29] <seb128> those logs just have one line about the lock file
[19:29] <seb128> weird
[19:30] <ev> wow, yeah, very strange
[19:30] <seb128> yeah
[19:31] <seb128> ev, ok, going for lunch, thanks
[20:27] <ahoneybun> ogra_: your awesome downloading them now
[20:55] <mzaza> If I want to discuss development related issues to Unity Next, which channel should I go to?
[20:57] <ogra_> mzaza, try #ubuntu-unity
[20:57] <mzaza> ogra_: thanks
[21:20] <Daviey> cjwatson: All i have is, knowing it failed - and produced, http://bit.ly/ZCA8LB . I'll dig out a log, I just wanted to check that was the expected method.
[21:22] <cjwatson> Daviey: according to my memory anyway :)
[21:27] <slangasek> cjwatson: hey, so I'm doing the merge on kexec-tools and am confused about why we're calling update-grub here... because I don't see anything that changes the grub config
[21:27] <Daviey> cjwatson: With -virtual going away, not sure how much it matters anymore.
[21:27] <slangasek> cjwatson: can you spot something I'm missing?
[21:30] <cjwatson> slangasek: grub2/util/grub.d/10_linux.in:92:if [ -x "/usr/bin/makedumpfile" ] && [ -x "/sbin/kexec" ]; then
[21:31] <cjwatson> slangasek: that is, update-grub behaves differently all by itself depending on whether kexec is installed
[21:32] <slangasek> cjwatson: aha, thanks
[21:33] <slangasek> cjwatson: should that logic arguably be shipped in kexec-tools itself?
[21:33] <slangasek> (not that I'm going to take on refactoring this right now)
[21:33] <slangasek> cjwatson: slightly related, kexec-tools is calling 'dpkg-trigger update-initramfs'... where I think the right interface nowadays is 'update-initramfs -u', no?
[21:36] <cjwatson> slangasek: aaaarguably
[21:36] <slangasek> hmmmm
[21:36] <slangasek> :)
[21:36] <cjwatson> slangasek: I think that probably predated update-initramfs doing its self-triggering trick, yeah
[21:36]  * slangasek nods
[21:37] <cjwatson> I certainly wouldn't object to dropping the grub2 patch that does the kexec crashkernel thing if it were found to be possible to do it in kexec-tools instead
[21:40] <slangasek> cjwatson: well, if I got this upstreamed to Debian in the kexec-tools side (with e.g. the makedumpfile package dep), it seems like it could be dropped from grub2
[21:41] <cjwatson> slangasek: Yep, sounds likely
[21:58] <ev> bdmurray, pitti: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/024acb70-836a-11e2-9a69-e4115b0f8a4a.crash
[22:05] <mterry> bdmurray, I can't reproduce that update-manager R->S bug
[22:06] <mterry> bdmurray, I should be running "update-manager -c -d" ?
[22:10] <bdmurray> mterry: yes, or update-manager -d
[22:10] <mterry> bdmurray, (yah, -c doesn't seem relevant anymore)
[22:10] <mterry> bdmurray, I do that and I get prompted to upgrade
[22:11] <mterry> bdmurray, (in R)
[22:11] <mterry> bdmurray, will try 12.10 next, which was OP's problem
[22:11] <bdmurray> mterry: i was able to recreate it from R to S
[22:11] <mterry> bdmurray, that's why I've come to you  :)  what magic is this?
[22:12] <bdmurray> mterry: well, I was going to try again but update-manager tells me I have to reboot ;-)
[22:26] <ogra_> cjwatson, ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers-daily.list.chroot
[22:27] <ogra_> argh
[22:27] <ogra_> cjwatson, http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/daily/ubuntu
[22:28] <cjwatson> ogra_: that doesn't contain any of the packages being complained about in the log
[22:29] <ogra_> yeah
[22:29] <cjwatson> so, where's camera-app meant to come from?
[22:29] <bdmurray> mterry: after rebooting I see the upgrade message. Does your system need to be up to date before the message appears?
[22:29] <mterry> bdmurray, yes
[22:31] <bdmurray> ah, that must be a new feature.  thanks for looking into it
[22:31] <ogra_> cjwatson, just FYI http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-unity/daily-build-next/ubuntu/dists/saucy/main/binary-armhf/Packages
[22:32] <ogra_> (not really any content in there)
[22:35] <cjwatson> ogra_: perhaps somebody forgot to copy with binaries
[22:35] <ogra_> cjwatson, right
[22:35] <cjwatson> it might be possible to re-copy - I forget
[22:36] <ogra_> yeah, i'll talk to didrocks
[22:36] <ogra_> oh, seems i can even do that myself
[22:37] <didrocks> ogra_: cjwatson: IIRC, I copied this morning this arch: all
[22:37] <ogra_> didrocks, well, i want to build images from it :)
[22:37] <didrocks> binary only
[22:37] <ogra_> so i need a little bit more than a placeholder
[22:37] <ogra_> i.e. all armhf
[22:37] <didrocks> ogra_: hum, sergiusens asked me to only copy one package "whatever" :)
[22:38] <ogra_> yeah
[22:38] <ogra_> i can do it myself apparently
[22:38] <didrocks> ogra_: yeah, you should be in the team :)
[22:38] <ogra_> just want to know if i could break any of your automation doing it
[22:38] <didrocks> ogra_: no no, that's fine
[22:38] <ogra_> k
[22:38] <didrocks> ogra_: take libhybris maybe?
[22:39] <ogra_> i want them all ... :)
[22:39] <ogra_> (well, all armhf)
[22:39] <didrocks> ogra_: hum? it wasn't what was told to me
[22:39] <didrocks> ogra_: ok, copy everything, it will be overriden when we activate it
[22:40] <ogra_> thats fine
[22:40] <ogra_> i just want to make sure the image building in saucy workss ... and for that i need the packages indeed :)
[22:40] <ogra_> no worries
[22:40] <didrocks> good luck! ;)