[00:40] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1198254 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/Application.cpp Fix names containing Utf8 characters
[05:44] <ulysses> shadeslayer: ping
[09:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: for bug 676663 you're usually better just uploading SRUs
[09:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: also it needs fixed in natty (or marked as already fixed)
[09:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: it is uploaded
[09:31] <apachelogger> sru guide says debdiffs are required eitherway
[09:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: for natty I was actually going to wait for 4.6b1
[09:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: pitti will want it in natty before it gets into older versions
[09:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, if you could just forward port the maverick change, that would be cool
[09:40]  * apachelogger cannot testbuild right now, since he is netbooking @ university
[09:41] <apachelogger> also it *is* wasted effort since the patch will be dropped within <7 days
[09:43]  * Riddell makes it sew
[10:02] <hrw> ScottK: how much time it took to build qt4-x11 on armel?
[10:07] <Riddell> hrw: he said 12 hours with icecc
[10:07] <hrw> thx
[11:09] <hanthana> kubuntu use debian installer or some thing else?
[11:17] <freeflying> hanthana, depends on which image you mean, alternative does, desktop use ubiquity
[11:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: thank you
[11:33] <Riddell> hanthana: welcome along
[11:33] <Riddell> hanthana: debian-installer on alternate as freeflying says, desktop uses ubiquity which uses strings from debian-installer and some from itself
[11:35] <hanthana> freeflying: Riddell : I am approching Kubuntu Desktop edition
[11:35]  * hanthana asked same question from #kubuntu and #kubuntu-devel. my bad
[11:36] <Riddell> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/ubiquity is the key
[11:39] <hanthana> Riddell: don't you guys use Debian Installer at all?
[11:40] <Riddell> hanthana: yes, on the alternate CDs, but it's more normal for people to use the desktop CDs which use Ubiquity (which as I say use strings from debian installer)
[11:41] <hanthana> Riddell: as we approach desktop edition i can leave Debian installer , and work on Ubiquity
[11:42]  * hanthana is more interested on offiline l10n with lokalizer instead of launchpad/transifex
[11:42] <Riddell> hanthana: it needs both, most of Ubiquity's strings are from Debian Installer
[11:42] <hanthana> Riddell: its mean we can inherits my debian translation work?
[11:43] <Riddell> hanthana: yes
[11:43] <hanthana> cool
[12:02] <ScottK> hrw: 23 1/2 hours with one smarttop.  12 with three using icecc.
[12:03] <hrw> thx
[12:03] <ScottK> Or ~1 hour to FTBFS with the current gcc, but that's a separate issue.
[12:24] <CIA-42> [apturl] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (changelog control) Make apturl-kde explicity depend on python-qt4 and python-kde4
[12:51] <Sput> ScottK: so the current gcc optimizes compile time!
[13:05] <shadeslayer> ulysses: pong
[13:08] <ulysses> shadeslayer: I tried to upgrade to kde 4.5.3 on lucid, but aptitue wanted to remove much thing, like kdebase-workspace, kdebase-workspace-bin, plasma-widget-smooth-tasks, etc
[13:08] <shadeslayer> uh
[13:08] <shadeslayer> ulysses: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:08] <shadeslayer> dont use aptitude for such stuff
[13:08] <ulysses> ah
[13:08] <shadeslayer> also
[13:08] <shadeslayer> i have no idea why aptitude and apt behave so differently :P
[13:09] <ulysses> ok, I'll try it
[13:14] <ulysses> apt-get wants to upgrade packages too:P
[13:15] <ulysses> freespacenotifier kbluetooth kdebase-plasma kdepimlibs-data knm-runtime ktorrent libkfontinst4 libkonqsidebarplugin4 libkwineffects1 libplasma-applet-system-monitor4 libplasmaclock4 libprocesscore4 libprocessui4 libqt4-assistant libqt4-multimedia libsolidcontrol4 libtaskmanager4 libweather-ion4 network-manager-kde plasma-widget-smooth-tasks
[13:15] <shadeslayer> \o/
[13:16] <shadeslayer> ulysses: just make sure it doesnt remove important stuff
[13:16] <ulysses> plasma-widget-smooth-tasks is important for me:P
[13:17] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[13:17] <shadeslayer> ulysses: its not removing that is it?
[13:17] <ulysses> these packagaes will be removed, if I hit the 'y'
[13:17] <shadeslayer> what...
[13:17] <shadeslayer> ulysses: are you upgrading from 4.4?
[13:17] <ulysses> yeap, it's lucid
[13:18] <shadeslayer> ah clean lucid
[13:18] <shadeslayer> even more win
[13:18] <shadeslayer> ulysses: pastebin apt-get dist-upgrade output
[13:18] <shadeslayer> and afaik thats all good
[13:18] <shadeslayer> but pastebin the output and i can advise only then
[13:19] <ulysses> http://pastebin.com/xVcMq0ed
[13:19] <shadeslayer> hold on
[13:22] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1198444 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationWindow.cpp Fix a crash that occurred if you were making the ApplicationView paint() right before reloading the backend
[13:22] <shadeslayer> why does it want to remove kbluetooth
[13:22] <shadeslayer> weird
[13:23] <shadeslayer> ulysses: im pretty sure youll have to let go of plasma-widget-smooth tasks
[13:24] <ulysses> :'(
[13:24] <shadeslayer> there was a reason behind it.... cant remember
[13:24] <shadeslayer> but this was a complaint :P ....
[13:25] <shadeslayer> ah
[13:25] <JontheEchidna> is this backports?
[13:25] <shadeslayer> ulysses: i can fix that hold on
[13:25] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: thats a clean install upgrading from KDE 4.4 in lucid to KDE 4.5.3
[13:25] <shadeslayer> its in staging
[13:25] <shadeslayer> ulysses: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+sourcepub/1263164/+listing-archive-extra
[13:26] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: any idea why it wants to remove kdebluetooth?
[13:26] <JontheEchidna> right, the lucid backports need the library name changes that we got in the debian merge reverted
[13:26] <JontheEchidna> e.g. libfoo4a back to lib4 in lucid
[13:26] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:26] <shadeslayer> ulysses: you shall get your plasmoid back, dont worry :D
[13:27] <ulysses> :)
[13:27] <shadeslayer> but why does it want to remove kdebluetooth
[13:27] <ulysses> kde 4.5 uses bluedevil, no?
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> kdebluetooth uses libs from kdebase-workspace
[13:40] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: so that upgrade looks fine?
[13:40] <shadeslayer> i was just a bit unsure about kdebluetooth
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> no, the library rename changes need to be reverted back to what they were in lucid
[13:41] <shadeslayer> um... why?
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> ...because it causes things like kdebluetooth and plasmoids to be removed
[13:42] <shadeslayer> but afaik the same names were used for KDE 4.5.2
[13:42] <shadeslayer> and the plasmoids are fixed in the backports PPA
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> right, the 4.5.2 packgaes are messed up too
[13:43] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> 4.5.3 can't go to lucid-updates like that
[13:43] <shadeslayer> im not putting it there
[13:43] <shadeslayer> and it wont get into lucid updates
[13:43] <Tm_T> how so?
[13:43] <shadeslayer> since the new policy says we can only do 4.4.x releases
[13:43] <shadeslayer> ( for lucid )
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> oh, right
[13:44] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UpdatesPolicy <<
[13:44] <shadeslayer> If approved by the Ubuntu Technical Board, this policy would be implemented starting with KDE 4.4.X in Lucid (already tested and ready for -proposed).
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I forgot that we weren't on 4.4 anymore
[13:44] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[13:44]  * Tm_T keeps getting confused with KDE release numbers
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> anyways, there must have been some changes with the natty merges that changed some lib from 4a-4b
[13:45] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: so id like to keep the maverick packaging
[13:45] <shadeslayer> 99% of it is the same as the maverick kde 4.5.3 packaging
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> which is why we're still getting removals even after rebuilding all those apps
[13:46] <shadeslayer> actually.... theres no kdebluetooth in the PPA
[13:46] <shadeslayer> so i think i have to do a seprate upload for that
[13:46] <shadeslayer> ah wait
[13:46] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+sourcepub/1263167/+listing-archive-extra
[13:46] <shadeslayer> no need for that as well
[13:46] <shadeslayer> ill just copy stuff
[13:54] <shadeslayer> ulysses: wait for 30 mins and so and check again :D
[14:06] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: also the part where it says that it wants to remove Qt stuff seems to be fine, since multimedia foo was merged anyways
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[14:07] <shadeslayer> freespacenotifier is one other thing im a bit concerned about
[14:07] <shadeslayer> idk where that went
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> it's in kdebase-workspace in 4.5
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> !info freespacenotifier natty
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> !info freespacenotifier maverick
[14:09] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:09] <JontheEchidna> right, I think it's in kdebase-workspace-bin in maverick or somesuch, and then debian split it back out. We then got that change in natty
[14:10] <shadeslayer> yeah https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/freespacenotifier/0.0svn1061317-0ubuntu1
[14:10] <shadeslayer> seems it was moved to kdebase-workspace
[14:11] <shadeslayer> of all the widgets only plasma-widget-smooth-tasks FTBFS's
[14:12] <shadeslayer> wait no.. its yawp
[14:14] <shadeslayer> !find libweather-ion5
[14:17] <shadeslayer> hmm.. ill need to update yawp with package from maverick
[14:18] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1198454 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (3 files in 3 dirs) Move the packageChanged() -> setActionsEnabled() connection to MuonMainWindow for less duplication
[14:19] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1198455 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (4 files) Add the "File" menu to muon-installer
[14:21] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: when are you moving to Git? :D
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> iDunno
[14:25] <ulysses> libktorrent-dev is missing so ktorrent fails to build
[14:25] <shadeslayer> ulysses: yes, libktorrent needs publishing first
[14:25] <shadeslayer> im waiting for it to get published ^_^
[14:26] <shadeslayer> ive also backported a new plasma-widget-yawp
[14:26] <shadeslayer> and for some reason my upload was gobbled by all mighty launchpad
[14:26] <shadeslayer> which seems to have a mind of its own now a days
[14:26] <ulysses> evil launchpad
[14:26] <shadeslayer> there we go : https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+builds?build_state=building
[14:27] <shadeslayer> i still dont have a upload email -.-
[14:28] <shadeslayer> i hate it when lp gobbles up my email
[14:29] <Riddell> arguably better than it spewing up e-mail at you
[14:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: afaik the find search bugfix is on reviewboard
[14:29] <shadeslayer> well... yeah.. i also hate it when it spews rosetta email at me
[14:32] <shadeslayer> ulysses: try now and pastebin output
[14:32] <shadeslayer> ( ktorrent is rebuilding now )
[14:33] <ulysses> http://pastebin.com/7nxHncMa
[14:33] <shadeslayer> lol... one of the builders is called nannyberry
[14:34] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/builders/nannyberry
[14:34] <shadeslayer> looks MUCH better now
[14:34] <shadeslayer> !find libkfontinst4
[14:34] <shadeslayer> !find libkfontinst4 lucid
[14:38] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1198458 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (5 files in 3 dirs) Move the software properties launcher action to MuonMainWindow. All MuonMainWindow derivatives will have this action
[14:42] <shadeslayer> ulysses: upgrade after like ... 20 mins or so, ktorrent will be done till then
[14:42] <ScottK> apachelogger: More ice cream troubles.  Please see the discussion about which version of gcc I was using in Bug #675347.
[14:48] <ScottK> Sput: Definitely ;-)
[14:49] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Don't worry about getting tired of email from LP.  It now decides when someone in the opensuse bugzilla marks one bug a duplicate of another bug that is so critical I must be emailed about it.
[14:54] <shadeslayer> :D
[14:55] <ScottK> I "solved" that one by unsetting the remote bug watch.
[14:55] <shadeslayer> lol
[14:55] <ScottK> Probably not the behavior the designers anticipated.
[14:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can i haz announcement on kubuntu.org? :D
[14:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what for?
[14:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: KDE 4.5.3 for lucid... as soon as ulysses confirms its working and we copy it over to the backports ppa
[14:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'm doing the upgrade now
[14:59] <Riddell> almost downloaded
[14:59] <shadeslayer> oohh
[14:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i copied over some more packages.... you should update and upgrade :D
[15:00] <shadeslayer> kdebluetooth, alot of widgets, ktorrent ...
[15:02] <shadeslayer> and i tested the stuff in my chroot... install seemed to go fine
[15:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: testing yourself is necessary but not sufficient before announce, needs a third party to test too
[15:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: also you say install went fine, did it run?
[15:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yep, but since i did a install in a clean chroot, i need to verify if the upgrade works too
[15:06] <shadeslayer> since i did Lucid Base -> Lucid KDE 4.5.3
[15:07] <shadeslayer> ulysses is testing out a full fledged install :)
[15:07] <shadeslayer> i wrote to upstream about something related to openssl
[15:07] <shadeslayer> cant remember which project :P
[15:08] <shadeslayer> oh skrooge
[15:09] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Send them our armel patch too.
[15:09] <shadeslayer> looking into that
[15:10] <ScottK> Thanks.
[15:11] <effie_jayx> ScottK: I did the update to wiki entris to netbook and make references to current info regarding plasma-netbook
[15:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: any objection to me switching to gstreamer for alpha 1?
[15:12] <apachelogger> nope
[15:12] <ScottK> effie_jayx: I'm subscribed to the page.  I saw that. Thank you.  Very helpful.
[15:12] <ScottK> apachelogger: Did you get my note abou the ice cream?
[15:12] <apachelogger> yes
[15:12] <ScottK> Cool.
[15:12]  * apachelogger is busy with calculus right now
[15:12] <ScottK> Gonna fix it?
[15:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: works for me on the important stuff, compositing turned on with the music and videos I have lying around on my hard disk, DVD menus don't work of course, so i think we should solicit larger feedback to see what happens
[15:13] <Riddell> rdieter: am I right in thinking Fedora uses phonon gstreamer?
[15:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: I have a branch with dvdmenu support
[15:13] <apachelogger> just needs polish
[15:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: a branch of phonon?
[15:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: once I found out what there is to fix
[15:13] <shadeslayer> ulysses: upgrade is a go! :)
[15:13] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.
[15:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: a git phonon branch, yes
[15:14]  * ulysses crosses fingers
[15:14]  * shadeslayer holds on to ulysses
[15:17] <rdieter> Riddell: not by default, no (still xine)
[15:17] <rdieter> Riddell: but we do ship/install it by default
[15:18] <shadeslayer> ScottK: patch forwarded :)
[15:18] <ScottK> THanks.
[15:19] <Riddell> jefferai: how much would amarok eat us if we switched to phonon gstreamer?
[15:20] <jefferai> would amarok eat you?
[15:21] <jefferai> what's the impetus to switch to phonon gstreamer?
[15:21] <Riddell> jefferai: qtwebkit is using qtmultimediakit which uses gstreamer
[15:22] <jefferai> OK, and?
[15:22] <jefferai> qtmultimediakit != phonon
[15:22] <Riddell> our CD has limited space and getting libraries off which perform duplicate functions is very preferable
[15:22] <shadeslayer> why are we bringing more g* stuff onto the CD :(
[15:23] <shadeslayer> oh... the libs are there? ....
[15:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: just because it begins with a g doesn't make it gnome
[15:23] <apachelogger> to more x* stuff off the cd
[15:23] <jefferai> Riddell: I think the question is really how buggy phonon gstreamer is
[15:23] <jefferai> my impression is -- very
[15:23] <jefferai> but, ask in the amarok dev channel
[15:23] <jefferai> others know more about it than I do
[15:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: seems world domination is nearer http://design.canonical.com/2010/11/the-monospace-is-coming/
[15:25] <ScottK> Fortunately we have an active Phonon maintainer here.
[15:25] <jefferai> ScottK: who?
[15:25] <shadeslayer> hehehe....
[15:25] <ScottK> jefferai: apachelogger.
[15:25] <jefferai> he works on phonon?
[15:25] <ScottK> (it's actually a bit of an inside joke - sorry)
[15:26] <ScottK> Not when he can avoid it.
[15:26]  * apachelogger is second in command for some obscure reason
[15:26] <jefferai> shadeslayer: why did Canonical feel the need to come up with yet another monospace font?
[15:27] <jefferai> there are already plenty of good alternatives to Courier
[15:27] <jefferai> it just makes them look silly
[15:27] <jefferai> "Courier sucks so we made our own" -- "Umm...why were you using Courier?"
[15:27] <shadeslayer> jefferai: another one? afaik thats the only Ubuntu Monospace font
[15:27] <Riddell> jefferai: to fit in with the rest of our desktop
[15:27] <jefferai> Yes
[15:27] <jefferai> Ubuntu Monospace
[15:27] <jefferai> As opposed to many other existing fonts
[15:27] <shadeslayer> ( from the Ubuntu Font Family )
[15:27] <Riddell> jefferai: we don't use courier at the momeny we use deja
[15:27] <jefferai> Riddell: the blog post compares to Courier
[15:27] <shadeslayer> like Riddell said.... fits with the overall look
[15:27] <jefferai> it doesnt' talk about deja
[15:28] <jefferai> how does it fit with the overall look?
[15:28]  * apachelogger almost got a beating yesterday because people feel that the ubuntu font in 10.10 is the ugly
[15:28] <jefferai> how would deja or inconsolata and so on *not* fit?
[15:28] <Riddell> jefferai: I think that's just the reference font many font people use for monospace
[15:28] <jefferai> but it's a silly comparison because it's not even the font Ubuntu was using!
[15:29] <jefferai> Riddell: word back so far is that phonon gstreamer works pretty well except it won't do any last.fm streaming
[15:29] <jefferai> so last.fm will be broken for all Amarok users
[15:29] <ulysses> Qt: 4.7.0
[15:29] <ulysses> KDE Development Platform: 4.5.3 (KDE 4.5.3)
[15:29] <jefferai> on Kubuntu
[15:29] <Riddell> jefferai: mm that's interesting
[15:29] <Riddell> jefferai: of course last.fm doesn't work for me anyway but that's something to do with money
[15:30]  * shadeslayer hugs ulysses
[15:30] <shadeslayer> ulysses: fire up some apps and see if you can use them
[15:31] <shadeslayer> report any funny™ behaviour
[15:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any news from your side? :)
[15:32] <ulysses> there isn' preview in the Box switching when switching windows
[15:32] <jefferai> Riddell: nobody really has the time or energy or money to fix up the gstreamer backend since Qt didn't hold to their promise of keeping it maintained
[15:32] <shadeslayer> ulysses: possibly go and checkout system settings
[15:32] <jefferai> the best backend that we've found is phonon-vlc
[15:33] <jefferai> the newest versions (there will be a new release soon) has been working very well for three days nonstop for markey
[15:33] <shadeslayer> jefferai: erm.. phonon-vlc causes amarok to crash when it exits
[15:33] <shadeslayer> and theres a bug report with about ~10 backtraces attached to it
[15:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: all installed, about to run it
[15:33] <jefferai> markey: ^
[15:33] <jefferai> any insight?
[15:33] <shadeslayer> kewl :)
[15:33] <jefferai> shadeslayer: it's probably fixed in newer code
[15:34] <jefferai> but let's see if markey knows
[15:34] <shadeslayer> im lookning as well
[15:34] <shadeslayer> kde bug 240001
[15:35] <shadeslayer> so its resolved
[15:35] <shadeslayer> great!
[15:35] <shadeslayer> ( i didnt look at it for quite some while, i just remembered it now :P )
[15:35] <Quintasan_> \o/
[15:35] <Quintasan_> shadeslayer, yofel: apparently we are stalled with kdebindings until upstream fixes it
[15:35] <Nightrose> apachelogger: re n900 - what do you want to do with it?
[15:36] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: bah
[15:36] <jefferai> shadeslayer: oh -- pulseaudio related
[15:36] <jefferai> unsurprising
[15:37] <apachelogger> Nightrose: kubuntu mobile primarily and take qtmultimediakit's only real target platform away and give it to phonon
[15:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: quite some people are in favour of the clear button in the URL bar... some not quite for the idea..... its a hot topic on the mailing list, go put your views on it
[15:37] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i might have one then for this
[15:37]  * shadeslayer hugs apachelogger
[15:37] <apachelogger> hooray hooray
[15:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: w00t :D
[15:37] <ulysses> silly lokalize, can't load the project, just eat cpu :$
[15:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: 4.5.3 works on lucid!  but funky double panel strangeness http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/lucid.png
[15:38] <shadeslayer> ah!
[15:38] <ulysses> I don't have two panel o.O
[15:38] <shadeslayer> thats something due to plasma and our settings messing stuff up :P
[15:38] <shadeslayer> also
[15:39] <shadeslayer> happens only in VM's
[15:39] <shadeslayer> :>
[15:39] <Riddell> hmm, sounds worrying
[15:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i had the same issue on maverick when i booted it on a VM, but a live ISO ran fine
[15:39] <Riddell> I also had a crash i policykit but I'll put that down to running in a chroot
[15:40] <shadeslayer> no ideas on that one
[15:40] <ulysses> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ulysses/lucid.png
[15:41] <shadeslayer> ulysses: any polkit crashes?
[15:41] <ulysses> shadeslayer: nothing
[15:41] <Nightrose> apachelogger: poke me again about it next week and we'll figure something out
[15:41] <shadeslayer> ulysses: same thing with firefox?
[15:41] <Nightrose> too tired atm
[15:41] <apachelogger> Nightrose: :*
[15:42] <ulysses> shadeslayer: same with konsole too
[15:42] <shadeslayer> i also need to poke rbelem about getting kubuntu mobile for other phones and such
[15:42] <shadeslayer> ulysses: possibly turn on Highlight window in system settings?
[15:43] <Nightrose> apachelogger: :*
[15:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: damn it.... now i cant stop thinking about the N900
[15:45] <shadeslayer> my mind was made up about the HTC Desire
[15:48] <ulysses> shadeslayer: it's on
[15:48] <shadeslayer> ok hold on...looking
[15:48] <ulysses> I turn Box Switch out, it is very slooooooooow
[15:50] <shadeslayer> ulysses: did you try re adding the widget?
[15:50] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:50] <ulysses> ah, Lokalize's second start was faster
[15:50] <shadeslayer> ( i know its lame, but still worth a try )
[15:51] <ulysses> doesn't help
[15:52] <shadeslayer> no idea :(
[15:52] <ulysses> I'll just turn out:p
[15:53] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1198469 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (5 files in 2 dirs) Add an install/remove button inside the app details widget
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> whee http://imgur.com/pGm7d
[15:56] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what's new?
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> install/remove button
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> also forward/back are now toolbar buttons
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> so now you can install apps from both the package list and the application details widget
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> I do wonder what that black ring surrounding amarok's icon is: http://imgur.com/OL6A0
[16:00] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you have thoughts on 4.5.5 for -proposed?
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> doesn't appear in the details view: http://imgur.com/UCarU
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: we just need to make sure that none of the library renames debian did in 4.4 that we merged during natty don't get applied to the packages for maverick-proposed
[16:01] <shadeslayer> whoa
[16:02] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Right.  We need to start with lucid and 4.4 though I think.
[16:02] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Sorry, I meant 4.4.5.
[16:02] <JontheEchidna> oh
[16:03] <ScottK> I think for 4.5.3 and maverick it's a bit soon.
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> same goes for lucid, except one KDE release cycle back. iirc we had this issue then, too
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> where we miss an ABI break, debian catches it/renames their packages, then when we merge for ubuntu+1 we pick up the new names
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> we then make packages for KDE 4.x+1, backport to ubuntu-1, and the new names stay for some reason
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> a bit of a mess
[16:12] <ScottK> Riddell: Looks like we have at least a work around for the Qt arm build failure.
[16:13] <Riddell> ScottK: oh?
[16:13] <ScottK> += -fno-strict-volatile-bitfields
[16:13] <ScottK> I've no idea what it does, but it gets past where it was failing.
[16:14] <ScottK> I'll work it into a proper patch and upload it.
[16:25] <ScottK> Riddell: The comment for debian/patches/89_powerpc_opts.diff says "Not needed long-term as the relevant g++ bug is fixed in GCC 4.4."  Perhaps I should drop this patch.
[16:25] <Riddell> ScottK: in qt?
[16:25] <ScottK> Yes.
[16:25] <ScottK> I'm consulting your patch review mail now
[16:26] <Riddell> ScottK: it's a debian patch, plenty of their patches can be dropped but we don't because we may as well stay in line with debian
[16:26] <Riddell> hopefully fabo will consult my patch review e-mail :)
[16:26] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  The thing is it have to modify that patch now due to this new one.  Modify it or drop it?
[16:27] <ScottK> I've actually got the change done, so it's the same effort either way.
[16:28] <Riddell> then keep it
[16:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so moveing packages from staging to backports?
[16:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i cant right now, im off to study :P
[16:32] <shadeslayer> maybe tommorow?
[16:32] <shadeslayer> or if you want to do it :)
[16:34] <Riddell> no you study and do it tomorrow
[16:34] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:34] <shadeslayer> cya tmmrw then :)
[16:35] <ScottK> Actually I don't have to change it.
[16:35] <ScottK> (silly me, new patch is only for armel)
[16:39] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: could you take a look at the commit I just made to kubuntu-notification-helper for gstreamer and let me know if I can upload
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> I think the strings could be way less scary, but on a technical basis the commit is sound.
[16:41] <Riddell> I couldn't think of a less scary way to put it
[16:41] <Riddell> I agree bad and ugly and gstreamer are scary
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> Should be good to upload.
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> we'll just have to think of something later :)
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> gotta get to class; be back in ~an hour
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> well, an hour and a half more likely
[16:57] <ScottK> OK.  Qt uploaded.  We'll know tomorrow if it worked.
[17:36] <yofel> o/
[17:38] <yofel> Quintasan: meh, leave it then, we've got other stuff left to do anyway
[17:41] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Re perl and the icecc stuff, if you could make a patch to kdescr-build that would shell out right as it's about to start to build and print the results of "which g++" to stdout, that might reveal something.
[17:54] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: i was thinking something along those lines... i was going to output to a log so i could view it.
[17:54] <ScottK> OK.
[18:00] <ulysses> shadeslayer: amarok crashes all the time if I want to play something (mp3 or internet stream)
[18:10] <shadeslayer> markey: ^^ KDE 4.5.3 and Qt 4.7 on lucid
[18:11] <shadeslayer> ulysses: please check any bug reports on bugs.kde.org with help of crash assistant that pops up
[18:12] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Did you rebuild  amarok?
[18:13] <ulysses> it's from lucid/main, not from the staging ppa
[18:13] <shadeslayer> ScottK: nope
[18:13] <ScottK> That would be why it crashes.
[18:13] <ScottK> You'll need to build it in the PPA against 4.5.
[18:14] <shadeslayer> ill do that
[18:16] <shadeslayer> copied over builds.. should be building shortly
[18:18] <DarkwingDuck> oh... heads up. GreyGeek saw the posts for my call and wants to help with documentation
[18:19] <DarkwingDuck> also, apachelogger ping
[18:39] <ScottK> Riddell: It looks like I may have touched the wrong qmake bits with my patch (since arm still FTBFS, just later on with the same error).   He eats it up!
[19:02] <dasKreech> hi GreyGeek
[19:02] <GreyGeek> Howdy!
[19:02] <DarkwingDuck> GreyGeek: You have any DocBook or XML expierence?
[19:02] <dasKreech> nixternal: ping
[19:02] <GreyGeek> Nope.  Mostly C++ with QT4 development...
[19:03] <dasKreech> documentation talk :)
[19:03] <GreyGeek> BUT, I can learn!  :-)
[19:03] <DarkwingDuck> Awesome... You have C++ and QT4 as well?
[19:03] <GreyGeek> and PostgreSQL work
[19:03] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger, Riddell ScottK ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[19:04] <GreyGeek> What do you want me to begin documenting first?
[19:05] <DarkwingDuck> You now how to use BZR?
[19:05] <DarkwingDuck> *know
[19:05] <GreyGeek> the version control system?  Love IT!
[19:05] <DarkwingDuck> Awesome,
[19:06] <DarkwingDuck> gimme just a sec.
[19:06] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1198514 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ApplicationViewWidget.cpp Not reporting download size in our confirmation box anymore
[19:06] <debfx> ScottK: maybe try adding it to src/qbase.pri
[19:07] <debfx> but isn't the flag required for all packages that use qt?
[19:07] <Quintasan> yofel: the problem is, we can't do other stuff without kdebindings I'm afraid
[19:08] <yofel> Quintasan: well, some of it sould work, only the python stuff should be broken, but iirc PyKDE isn't on the REQUIRED list anywhere, just a lot will be missing
[19:09] <Quintasan> That's what I wanted to avoid :P
[19:09] <Quintasan> what, the, heck is going on with my ubuntu install
[19:09] <yofel> well, I'll do kdenetwork over the weekend anyway, currently you can login, but that's about all you *can* do with what we have
[19:09] <DarkwingDuck> oh yeesh... mavrick branch takes for freaking ever to branch
[19:09]  * Quintasan has to reboot every few hours to have a working computer
[19:10] <Quintasan> duuno why
[19:10] <Quintasan> brb
[19:10] <yofel> o.O
[19:11] <Quintasan> I have totally no idea what causes it,
[19:11] <Quintasan> At times, launching Konsole takes up to 7 seconds
[19:12] <yofel> where's it hanging? cpu/hdd_io/memory_io ?
[19:13] <Quintasan> I have no idea
[19:13] <Quintasan> but it seems like hdd_io
[19:13] <yofel> odd
[19:13] <Quintasan> cause desktop effects still work fast, and *sometimes* I can easily alt+tab through the windows
[19:22] <DarkwingDuck> anyone seen apachelogger today?
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> DarkwingDuck: about 4 hours ago, yeah
[19:23] <DarkwingDuck> thanks JontheEchidna
[19:33] <trichard> hey, i know this probably doesn't belong here, but does anyone know why this example seems to leek memory? http://pastebin.com/tA6HWW35
[19:33] <trichard> when the process get's to a.exec() it still uses 50MB according to top
[19:38] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1198520 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (4 files in 2 dirs) Undo the marked change if the user either fails to gain authorization or cancels at the authorization screen. This prevents the canceled operation for being done when another application is installed
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> trichard: If I understand this, you are creating a list of pointers to images, then for each of those items you create a pointer that points to a new image, but right afterwards change what the pointer points to, leaving the recently-created one hanging
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> image = queue.dequeue(); <- this changes what *image points to, but the thing that it was previously pointed to is still hanging around in memory, forever alone
[19:43] <trichard> JontheEchidna: If i run exactly the same codesnippet on windows the memory usage drops to 5MB again (correctly)
[19:44] <shadeslayer> ScottK: so if any app uses Qt/KDE ... itll have to get rebuilt against the new packages?
[19:44] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[19:44] <shadeslayer> or is it application specific?
[19:44] <JontheEchidna> oh, but you are adding the new image to the queue, so it should always delete any new ones made
[19:44] <JontheEchidna> nevermind
[19:44] <trichard> JontheEchidna: cvReleaseImage() releases the memory that's behind the pointer
[19:45] <trichard> JontheEchidna: Another strange thing is that it runs fine on my laptop but malfunctions on my desktop
[19:45] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Should be only some of them.
[19:45] <ScottK> Qt only should be fine
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> well, I'm stumped then. new images are always added to the queue, and that loop ensures that all images are free'd before it exits. In theory it should work...
[19:45] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:45] <ScottK> KDE that only uses kdelibs should also be fine.
[19:45] <trichard> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/CG9jyY1U could you maybe try this example, it does the same for me
[19:46] <trichard> (it's the same without opencv)
[19:49] <shadeslayer> so its everything else that could cause a issue
[19:49] <shadeslayer> ulysses: did the rebuild fix your issue?
[19:49] <trichard> JontheEchidna: http://imagebin.ca/view/GNGrNfl.html see this screenshot
[19:50] <ulysses> shadeslayer: I didn't updated yet
[19:50] <shadeslayer> ohk
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> trichard: hmm, seems fine here on my laptop: http://imgur.com/cLq9C
[19:51] <trichard> JontheEchidna: I see the same on my laptop but my desktop shows otherwise
[19:52] <trichard> i have a real world app that does much like this but then in a useful way, after a while it starts consuming over 600MB while it shouldn't consume more then 200MB
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> anything differing between the two? (64 bit vs 32? Different Qt versions? Different linux versions?)
[19:52] <trichard> both 64 bit kubuntu 10.10
[19:52] <trichard> i don't think Qt has much to do with this
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> I wouldn't think that 32 vs 64 bit would either, but you gotta cover your bases ;-)
[19:54] <trichard> Qt is at version 4.7.0 here
[19:55] <trichard> another strange thing is that when i remove the second for loop (which probably allocates memory on freed space again) the memory is released on my pc too
[19:55] <trichard> and when i add some qDebug() lines the memory is released as well
[19:55] <trichard> i'm clueless actually
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> afraid I'm clueless too :(
[20:04] <trichard> should i report this as a bug somewhere or .. ?
[20:30] <dantti> trichard: iirc linux did not release memory if not needed which does not happen with windows
[20:33] <trichard> dantti: so there's no way to actually know how much memory a process uses?
[20:34] <dantti> trichard: i think valgrind might help you
[20:37] <trichard> dantti: I'll take a look, massif looks promising :)
[20:42] <apparle> is there a channel for wubi? kubuntu install via wubi is not working. I am dropped to intrafms
[20:43] <ScottK> apparle: #ubuntu-installer I believe
[20:56] <trichard> dantti: Too bad massif is this slow :s
[20:56] <dantti> hehe
[20:57] <trichard> it does show my memory usage correctly though
[21:03] <dantti> trichard: right, so I think I was right :P
[23:53] <starcraftman> apachelogger: in belated response to somewhat old question, nope, no packaging experience... yet :)
[23:56] <starcraftman> hi jjesse :)


[00:08] <sconklin> inbox zero, seeya tomorrow
[00:35]  * manjo bad weather rolling in from the north .. heavy thunderstorms in the area... need to shutdown machine.
[02:12] <achiang> hughhalf: ping
[02:12] <hughhalf> achiang, ahoy
[02:14] <boutcher> must be the nautical hughhalf
[02:14] <hughhalf> boutcher!
[02:14] <hughhalf> how goes man ?
[02:15] <boutcher> goes great...using a lot of ubuntu in production these days ;-)
[02:16] <boutcher> how are things down under?
[02:17] <jk--> hughhalf is totally nautical
[02:18] <hughhalf> boutcher, good man, good, liking Canonical and life overall goes well :)
[02:18] <hughhalf> but not sure about jk-- nautical references
[02:18] <boutcher> hughhalf excellent....saw some picks of rachel doing linux presenting a while back....she's looking good
[02:18] <jk--> hey boutcher
[02:19] <hughhalf> boutcher, yeah, she's doing well :)
[02:19] <boutcher> hey jk....long time no talk. I'd forgotten you're at canonical too
[02:21] <boutcher> or I guess that's jk--
[02:21] <jk--> hughhalf: exactly :)
[02:47] <pgraner> JFo: you around?
[04:14] <Squideshi> Is everyone on the Ubuntu Kernel Team an employee of Canonical?
[04:17] <pgraner> Squideshi: no
[04:23] <JFo> pgraner, I am now
[04:24] <pgraner> JFo: you got any bits about bug filing down, specifically why we want new bugs, not dog piled ones?
[04:24] <JFo> I have some stuff drafted, but nothing wikified yet
[04:24] <JFo> want me to push something to a page?
[04:30] <pgraner> JFo: just looking for something to point to in egregious bugs
[04:30] <JFo> I had been planning a Dos and Don'ts section of the Bugs/ page
[04:30] <pgraner> JFo: yea, no worries
[04:30] <JFo> plus an expanding of the statuses a bit
[04:31]  * pgraner nods
[04:47] <Squideshi> What's the difference between the following two wiki pages?
[04:47] <Squideshi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/
[04:47] <Squideshi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam
[04:47] <JFo> KernelTeam/ is in the process of being migrated to Kernel/
[04:48] <JFo> after that the KernelTeam/ pages will be deprecated
[04:51] <Squideshi> I just put a note to that effect on KernelTeam.
[04:51] <Squideshi> Thank you.
[04:51] <stenten> You won't keep KernelTeam/Meeting? That's how most teams manage their meetings and other internal affairs.
[04:52] <JFo> that is getting moved over as well
[04:52] <JFo> Squideshi, not necessary
[04:52] <Squideshi> JFo: Well, it confused me; and it might confuse someone else, but now it won't. :)
[05:10] <bjf[afk]> JFo, i like helpful people that are worried about other peoples confusion
[05:51] <kees> is there an existing git short-hand for "git commit -a -m typo && git rebase -i HEAD~2" or should I just alias that?
[05:51]  * achiang wonders what kees is doing that requires that questionable operation to be an alias. ;)
[05:52] <kees> achiang: I keep getting minor nit-picks from lkml about the symlink change I'm trying to upstream.
[05:52] <cooloney> kees: looks like no other choice to me, but if you wanna try guilt, it can do that very easily
[05:53] <kees> cooloney: I may go that route eventually, but I want to be fully comfortable with git before I add another layer.  :)
[05:53] <achiang> yeah, with stg, that would just be: stg refresh ; stg rebase origin
[05:54] <achiang> kees: i'm wondering why you need to rebase on HEAD~2
[05:54] <kees> achiang: so that I can mark the "typo" fix as a "fixup" and it gets melded into the first change
[05:55] <cooloney> kees: yeah, like guilt-fold
[05:55] <achiang> kees: what is HEAD~1?
[05:56] <kees> achiang: same as HEAD^?  it's the typo commit.
[05:57] <achiang> kees: hm, what is HEAD then?
[05:57] <kees> *make changes*; git commit -a -e; *make tiny fix*; git commit -a -m fix; git rebase -i HEAD~2; *mark the "fix" change as a "fixup" and save*
[05:58] <kees> rebase needs one past the stuff you're interested in?  I'm losing count, but HEAD~2 works
[05:58] <cooloney> kees: exactly, that's what i'm doing in pure git
[05:58] <kees> cool
[05:59] <achiang> kees: ah. ok, well, i guess you're doing it the git way. but seriously, this is exactly the use case for other porcelains like stg or guilt
[05:59] <kees> achiang: ah, right, so HEAD is the typo, HEAD~1 is what I want to merge it into, and HEAD~2 is the point I want to list all commits beyond.
[05:59] <achiang> this is what i was alluding to the other day about where stg is much nicer than git
[05:59] <kees> achiang: I will likely start using it for my next upstreaming adventure.  :)
[06:00] <kees> achiang: I don't doubt, but I have a masochistic desire to understand what in the world git is up to first.  :)
[06:00] <achiang> kees: you could start using it now and save yourself some trouble... ;)
[06:00] <kees> hehe
[06:00] <achiang> git format-patch HEAD~2 (or maybe it's HEAD~3)
[06:00] <achiang> for i in *.patch do ; patch -p1 < $i ; done
[06:00] <achiang> stg init
[06:00] <achiang> stg new symlinks.patch
[06:00] <achiang> stg refresh
[06:00] <achiang> done
[06:01] <kees> cool.  yeah, very quilty :)
[06:01] <achiang> oh, i guess you'd need to revert the patches before applying them...
[06:01] <achiang> git reset --hard HEAD~2 (or 3 ;)
[06:01]  * kees nods
[06:02] <jk--> whoa
[06:02] <jk--> git rebase -u HEAD^2
[06:02] <jk--> err, -i
[06:02]  * kees looks up -u
[06:02] <kees> oh
[06:02] <kees> heh
[06:03] <jk--> then you get an editor that asks you what you want to do with each patch
[06:03] <kees> what git help page lists all the ~ ^ .. etc stuff?
[06:03] <kees> jk--: yup, it's delightful
[06:03] <jk--> kees: man git-rev-parse
[06:03] <kees> jk--: ah-ha!  that's just what I needed, thanks.  :)
[06:04] <jk--> kees: np :)
[06:05]  * cooloney is checking -u as well
[06:07] <cooloney> jk--: -u is not available to me
[06:07] <kees> cooloney: it was a typo
[06:07] <jk--> -u is a typo :)
[06:07] <cooloney> OMG,
[06:08] <jk--> the keys are right next to each other, it's not *that* surprising! :)
[06:11] <jk--> kees: oh right, you were looking for alternatives to rebase -i :)
[06:12] <jk--> you're looking to edit the second-to-last patch?
[06:12] <cooloney> jk--: yeah, i think kees knows -i
[06:12] <jk--> brb
[06:13]  * cooloney imagines that jk- will invent a option to git as --edit-2nd-to-last
[07:24] <joaopinto> hello, I can consistently reproduce a kernel crash while startinga a specific java app, what is the recommend procedure to collect the crash data ?
[07:27] <jk-> joaopinto: `ubuntu-bug linux`
[07:27] <jk-> - will file a new bug
[07:27] <joaopinto> right, but does it collect crash data ?
[07:28] <stenten> you could try enabling Apport to try and get a backtrace.
[07:29] <joaopinto> I can't find any of the errors showns on during the kernel oops event at /var/log/*
[07:30] <jk-> joaopinto: hm, what happens when it crashes? machine stops completely?
[07:31] <joaopinto> it prints a "Kernel bug at blah blah blah" with some information, and stops completely
[07:31] <joaopinto> right now I am looking to capute that information
[07:32] <joaopinto> this happens when starting an WebSphere Application Server nodeagent, which is basically a java process
[07:34] <joaopinto> I didn't have this issue during lucid's development, so it was either introduced with a near final or post final kernel upgrade, or it's triggered by another change not kernel related which triggers the bug
[07:34] <jk-> joaopinto: if the crash info doesn't reach the disk, then we can't recover it in the next boot, unfortunately
[07:34] <jk-> soooo
[07:34]  * jk- thinks
[07:35] <joaopinto> hum,  I am being dumb, maybe I can  simply ssh trigger the crash and get the error on the console, or maybe not, let me try
[07:36] <joaopinto> brb
[07:36] <jk-> erk
[07:36] <jk-> joaopinto: it'll only output to ttys that have a console running on them
[07:37] <jk-> (ie, ttyx and maybe ttyS0)
[07:37] <joaopinto> ah :(
[07:37] <jk-> if you can get a serial line working, then that will help
[07:37]  * kees would like to understand how the "netcat console" works for this kind of stuff
[07:38] <jk-> kees: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Netconsole ?
[07:38] <kees> why yes :)
[07:38] <kees> lookie there :)
[07:38] <jk-> woot! :)
[07:38] <joaopinto> going for netconsole :)
[07:39]  * kees has never tried netconsole, just fake serial ports via kvm
[07:39] <joaopinto> hum, I coultd try to reproduce the crash on a VM
[07:41] <kees> that's what I've always done for weird crashes
[07:41] <kees> it still needs setup, but virt-manager was pretty helpful in that regard.
[07:43] <joaopinto> it's a bit strange how a java process which is purely server oriented (no GUI related interaction) triggers a kernel crash
[07:45] <kees> yeah.  :(
[07:45] <kees> especially if it's not running as root.
[07:46] <joaopinto> it's not, the good news is that I believe that WAS is one of the few BM products certified for Ubuntu, I just need to check if that applies to Lucid
[07:46] <joaopinto> ..IBM...
[07:47] <jk-> joaopinto: what does your /proc/sys/kernel/panic_on_oops contain?
[07:48] <joaopinto> jk-, 0, btw, I have installed the kernel-oops package now, but didn't crashed again
[07:49] <joaopinto> I hope the netconsole works with plymouth :)
[07:50] <jk-> joaopinto: that's for reporting oopses to kerneloops.org
[07:51] <apw> joaopinto, you say it 'prints kernel bug blah' i presume that means you can see the output sometimes?
[07:51] <apw> does it appear on the screen at least?  sometimes a digitial photo is a useful approach
[07:52] <joaopinto> apw, I can always se the output when locally on the system
[07:52] <joaopinto> apw, an IT guy does not use photos to collect data :P
[07:52] <apw> joaopinto, heh i often use photos to collect panics, better than not seeing it
[07:53] <apw> joaopinto, the very first line that you indicate has some key information which can be extracted from a photo pretty easily
[07:53] <joaopinto> I will try 1) netconsole, 2) virtualbox.. 3) photo
[07:53] <joaopinto> it mentioned a specific .c file on the "bug" line
[07:56] <dupondje> photo's rule: http://dupondje.be/DSCF1025.JPG :P
[07:56] <joaopinto> grr wait, this a laptop, wifi, the network will not be available for the netconsole module :(
[07:58] <cking> morning lag
[07:59] <apw> joaopinto, if you perhaps took a picture people could at least look at the issue with some real information
[07:59] <joaopinto> apw, ok, I will take a picture
[08:01] <lag> Morning cking
[08:01] <lag> :)
[08:02]  * lag has a fuzzy head!
[08:02] <joaopinto> grrrr, this time the output was so long that it scrolled and I can't read the initial lines with the helpful info
[08:02] <cking> lag, too many beers? ;-)
[08:03] <joaopinto> does NOHZ: local_softirq_pending 242 as the last line on the crash output means anything ?
[08:03] <lag> cking: Not enough ;)
[08:04] <cking> heh
[08:04]  * lag went out and saw people =:-o
[08:04] <apw> joaopinto, heh just your luck, one of the reasons i take a photo the first time i see the header of the error, just in case i cannot get it again... low tech, slow, even unreable at times ... but often a life saver
[08:05] <apw> cking, seems someone has gone postal in the UK
[08:05] <joaopinto> hum, I see a lot of ip_* / network related functions on the output
[08:05] <apw> unfortunatly without the top its hard to tell if it was those or they are just a victim
[08:05] <lag> apw: Are you talking about that taxi driver?
[08:06] <joaopinto> I do have some internal policy firewalls rules
[08:06] <apw> lag, walked in the news report so no idea who the person is, but likely there is only one killing spree
[08:06] <joaopinto> I will try to start the process without the firewalls rules
[08:06] <lag> Yeah
[08:07] <cking> one every 18 years or so is still too many
[08:08] <lag> What was the last one? Dunblane?
[08:08] <lag> 14 years back that was :(
[08:09] <cking> Hungerford (1987), Dunblane (1996)..
[08:10] <lag> Ah yes, Mr Ryan
[08:10] <apw> i guess we have to be thankful they are mercifully far appart
[08:11] <lag> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Cumbria_shootings
[08:11] <lag> They didn't waste any time!
[08:11] <cking> bad news always travels at the speed of light
[08:12] <lag> Who things "Oh, there's been a massacre, let's start a Wiki page?"
[08:12] <lag> thinks*
[08:15] <apw> lag, think of it more as thinking it deserves recording, you could equally say, "there has been a massacre, who'd put it all over the news"
[08:24] <lag> apw: I had every belief that it would be recorded. I wasn't shocked to see the other two Wiki pages. I was more shocked to see it up there so quickly, as if it was the first thing that popped into the author's mind.
[08:25] <apw> lag, i think you'll find its 'slop over' from wikinews.org, people put it there, and the editors of that record the significant events from that
[08:26] <lag> I see
[08:32]  * abogani2 waves
[08:34] <joaopinto> apw, jk- , starting in recovery mode and starting the java processes does not kernel panic
[08:40] <joaopinto> grr, now it just hardlocked without printing any info, the problem is reproducible the way it's reported is not :(
[08:40] <lag> Jun  3 08:33:05 ThinkPad kernel: [   98.620090] kmemleak: 247 new suspected memory leaks (see /sys/kernel/debug/kmemleak)
[09:11] <joaopinto> jk-, I got a wired connection and was able to setup a netconsole, now let's hope the panic info is sent before the lockup
[09:12] <jk-> cool :)
[09:14] <joaopinto> grrr, I can't believe this, with a wired connection+netconsole I am unable to reproduce the crash, after having done it 10 consecutive times
[09:15]  * cking needs to attend gas fitter - back in 20
[09:16] <jk-> joaopinto: are you getting any console messages through netconsole?
[09:16] <joaopinto> jk-, yes I am, remote dmesg
[09:17] <joaopinto> this java process is expected to create multiple tcp listeners, and because I see a lot of ip_* functions on the kernel panic info it seems to be network related
[09:17] <joaopinto> using a wired connection might have changed the bug condition
[09:20] <joaopinto> jk-, this is getting funny, I have unplug the eth cable, restart the java process, got a kernel panic
[09:29] <abogani2> apw: Sorry to bother you: Did you have a chance to take a look on my lowlatency kernel flavour? I have just rebased it to latest Maverick release and the build test is in progress on my PPA.
[09:30] <apw> abogani2, sorry no, am fighting an aufs2 issue right now
[09:30] <abogani2> apw: No problem. :)
[09:32] <apw> abogani2, sorry to be so tardy looking at it, its bee a bit mad with A1
[09:33] <abogani2> apw: I understand.
[09:38] <joaopinto> jk-, the only unusual requirement from this java app is that on startup it checks that the configured listener IPs are configured in some network interface, and refuses to start if not
[09:39] <joaopinto> because this is a laptop I am using <IP_ADDRESS>, for the app to start I need to: ifconfig lo <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:40] <joaopinto> it could be the "IP availability"  validation on eth0 when the connection is not available leading to the kernel panic
[10:18] <abogani2> smb: Thank you very much Mr. Bader! :-)
[11:15] <cking> hughhalf, around?
[12:15] <cooloney> apw: since smb is not here, how do you think we merge omap4 branch into lucid?
[12:15] <apw> cooloney, whats the issue?
[12:16] <apw> cooloney, mumber perhaps ?
[12:17] <cooloney> apw: actually, smb thinks that is a big change through, he does not like to do that.
[12:17] <cooloney> apw: i did get any feedback from him about this.
[12:18] <apw> cooloney, he has been very busy with the security updates which shipped today
[12:18] <apw> cooloney, join us on mumble ?
[12:18] <cooloney> apw: yeah, understood.
[12:18] <cooloney> apw: too bad, i have no time to fix my mic. sorry for mumble
[12:18]  * cooloney needs to fix it
[12:19] <apw> bah
[12:19] <apw> so i think his confusion is over the support side, putting it in our repo implies things about support and i thought he was asking about what the support requirements are
[12:20] <apw> i believe the images will live outside of the archive in a PPA for the purpose, right?
[12:20] <cooloney> apw: yeah, exactly,
[12:20] <apw> so did we get the information on the support requirements ?
[12:21] <cooloney> apw: davidm told me about this "the OMAP 4 support for the 10.07 release should not be SRU'ed back into Lucid, but kept out in a PPA, "
[12:22] <ogra> support for the 10.07 release will end in jan 11
[12:22] <cooloney> in an email, i think you will are in the loop
[12:22] <ogra> we dont want the source or binary packages in the distro
[12:22] <ogra> but cooloney needs a place for the tree
[12:22] <apw> ogra, define 'source in the distro'
[12:22] <cooloney> ogra: yeah, thanks,
[12:22] <apw> as putting the branch in our git tree sounds like being in the distro
[12:23] <ogra> apw, no source package
[12:23] <ogra> all packaging will live in a PPA
[12:23] <ogra> source as well as binary
[12:23] <apw> well i don't think there is much of an issue pushing the branch into our repo, its who is going to maintain it for the support period that was the outstanding issue as i see it
[12:23] <ogra> the tree should be maintained on out git server though, since its a merge of the TI and the ubuntu trees
[12:24] <apw> as its supported for 6 months right ?
[12:24] <ogra> (bare omap4 upstream git is at omapzoom.org btw)
[12:24] <ogra> right
[12:24] <cooloney> apw: i will maintain that branch, but still need smb to pull my patches. hehe
[12:25] <apw> if you are signing up to maintain the branch 'hwe' style then i think thats going to be ok
[12:25] <apw> ie we say 'we added security stuff to mainline, have at it for omap4' style emails coming your way
[12:25] <apw> and you'll ask for a pull when its applied ?
[12:29] <cooloney> yeah, i think so.
[12:30] <cooloney> but is it a big trouble to add security stuff into omap4 branch directly?
[12:39] <apw> cooloney, i don't understand your question
[12:39] <apw> cooloney, what upstream version is omap4 based on
[12:41] <cooloney> apw: it is based on .33 for 10.07
[12:42] <cooloney> it is the same as ti-omap branch
[12:42] <apw> yeah so we don't have a .33 master branch for .33, so maintenance of .33 is a bigger job
[12:43] <cooloney> yeah, i understood, that's smb's git concern
[12:43] <cooloney> my question is also about that.
[12:44] <cooloney> so for maintenance of .33, i will get those security updates from mainline instead of our .32 master branch?
[12:44] <apw> cooloney, i would assume the omap branch will get them and you can get them from there, but that may mean you have to figure out which ones are which
[12:47] <cooloney> apw: ok, got it. actually, ti-omap4 is also rebased from ti-omap branch
[12:47] <apw> cooloney, its based on the normal ti-omap tree ?
[12:47] <apw> in that case you may be able to just keep rebasing onto there
[12:48] <cooloney> apw: yeah, i rebased all ti-omap stuff on omap4 branch from TI.
[12:49] <apw> that sounds like the other way round, and a nightmare
[12:49] <cooloney> so for our stuff such as apparmor, aufs, it is the same as ti-omap configuration
[12:54] <apw> yep but if the tree is 'upsidedown' then we're not going to be able to just rebase it
[12:54] <apw> so i think that nails its status as a hwe branch
[12:54] <ogra> apw, someone handles the omap3 branch in lucid, no ?
[12:55] <ogra> should be possible to just copy stuff over from there
[12:55] <ogra> since they are both .33
[12:55] <apw> ogra, indeed someone does, but the omap4 branch isn't the same process its not shaped the same
[12:55] <apw> so its much more effort, and bryan has already volunteered to handle it
[12:55] <ogra> ok
[12:56]  * cooloney feels in hot water now
[12:56] <apw> this is why these stupid heaps of arm patches are an unsustainable mess
[12:56] <ogra> heh
[12:56] <ogra> well, maverick will make everything better
[12:57] <ogra> we'll only have omap4 as a separate branch for arm
[12:57] <apw> ogra, all i can say there is 'yeah right'
[12:57] <apw> ogra, we'll only have that branch till we get a heap more, as happened, and is stil happening in lucid
[12:57] <apw> this omap4 branch is the 9th branch
[12:57] <ogra> i doubt you will see a heap more
[12:57] <ogra> linaro should solve that
[12:57] <apw> ogra, you can doubt it all you like, i just don't believe it
[12:58] <ogra> there is an army of devs working on fixing the situation now :)
[12:58] <ogra> and devicetree
[12:58] <apw> should, in some unspecified timescale, i will be drinking champagne if we have less that 6 branches in maverick
[12:59] <apw> all of that is at least 3-4 releases way (upstream) which makes it 2 releases away for us
[12:59] <ogra> i would have said one release (being optimistic) :)
[12:59] <ogra> (for us)
[13:00] <apw> heh yeah, but we heard that a release ago, and frankly there is nothing usable there yet is there
[13:01] <apw> not to take anything away from TI and the fact that we can almost have an omap flavour on the mainline kernel
[13:01] <cooloney> apw: right, long term story, but we feel short term pain
[13:01] <ogra> it looked like there is some base stuff during UDS
[13:02] <ogra> so i would expect a first working arch in m+1
[13:02] <apw> ogra, yeah so i return to my previous position we'll have 6 branches again in M
[13:02]  * cooloney need some food to feel better.
[13:02] <apw> which is a worlkd of pain
[13:02] <ogra> yes, M will still suck but i wouldnt expect more arm branches
[13:03] <ogra> omap3/4 and versatile are the only arm arches we officially support atm
[13:03]  * apw holds up his "i'll believe that when i see it" banner
[13:04] <ogra> heh
[13:04] <ogra> indeed, if $big_vendor comes in with $big_money that could change ... but i doubt it
[13:25] <cooloney> apw: if i wanna built-in nfs modules, need i change d-i modules?
[13:25] <apw> cooloney, depends if the udeb becomes empty
[13:25] <cooloney> apw: i built-in nfs before, but building from source package in PPA failed
[13:26] <apw> cooloney, if it was becase of the udebs the error would have told you, what error did you get
[13:27] <cooloney> apw: oh, don't have the error log now, then i set NFS_FS as module like other arm branch
[13:27] <cooloney> the building passed.
[13:28] <apw> cooloney, its entirly possible you would cause a udeb to become empty, which means it needs adding to the exclusion list for the flavour
[13:29] <cooloney> apw: OK, I saw your patch about that, it should be similar i guess.
[13:30] <apw> why do you need to buildin NFS of all things
[13:31] <cooloney> apw: that's a question from TI guys, they are heavily using NFS for boot
[13:31] <cooloney> so you know, they are asking for building NFS_FS
[13:31] <cooloney> built-in
[13:31] <cooloney> find: `debian/nfs-modules-2.6.33-900-omap4-di': No such file or directory
[13:31] <cooloney> nfs-modules-2.6.33-900-omap4-di will be empty
[13:31] <cooloney> make[1]: *** [do-binary-udebs] Error 1
[13:31] <cooloney> make: *** [binary-udebs] Error 2
[13:31] <cooloney> dpkg-buildpackage: error: /usr/bin/fakeroot debian/rules binary-arch gave error exit status 2
 nfs-modules-2.6.33-900-omap4-di will be empty
[13:31] <cooloney> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-arm-dev/+archive/ppa/+build/1757077/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.linux-ti-omap4_2.6.33-900.1~build2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:32] <apw> that line tells you that nfs-modules become empty
[13:32] <apw> so you need to add nfs-modules to the excludes list
[13:32] <cooloney> yeah, i understood
[13:32] <cooloney> apw: cool, got it.
[13:32] <cooloney> will try to fix that
[13:32] <cooloney> apw: thanks, i have to off line now
[13:33] <cooloney> have a nice day
[13:33] <apw> see ya
[13:37] <apt_get> Hello
[13:37] <apt_get> for a server (mail, vpn, squid-proxy and firewall), whats the best for Timer frequency in kernel: 100Hz or 1000Hz
[13:40] <apw> generally we set servers lower as they do not require the same interactivity
[13:40] <apw> cking, is launchpad down _again_ today?
[13:43] <apt_get> 100 or 250
[13:58] <pgraner-afk> tgardner: you have emerald smoking, I have ear plugs and now I have about a 90 deg breeze blowing on me from the fans
[14:00] <tgardner> pgraner-afk, just burning it in. perhaps you should move it downstairs?
[14:00] <pgraner-afk> tgardner: I'll put it back in the rack when your done
[14:01] <tgardner> pgraner-afk, I'm off. did you fix the PXE boot?
[14:02] <pgraner-afk> tgardner: yep
[14:02] <pgraner> tgardner: wow it got quiet
[14:07] <cking> apw, lp is behaving slowly but it is working for me
[14:08] <apw> pgraner, did it quiet down before or after you turned it of
[14:08] <apw> off
[14:11] <pgraner> apw: heh
[14:20] <apw> Keybuk, yesterday you mentioned u had unionfs patched userspace tools.  where can i find those
[14:21] <apw> Keybuk, also in my red and green PPAs are the initargs and readahead-tracking patches building, i think they'll make it this time
[14:31] <lag> When suspending, does USB suspend or just the connected devices?
[14:33] <apw> lag, we power down the devices don't we
[14:34] <lag> Yes
[14:34] <lag> But does USB host need suspending too?
[14:34] <apw> so we are definatly doing something to the host, i would imagine putting it in D0
[14:39] <lag> I don't think USB actually needs suspending
[14:40] <lag> I have just found an option in the menuconfig to disallow any USB device to suspend anyway
[14:40]  * lag is a happy bunny now
[14:57] <cking> lag, what option is that pray tell
[14:57] <lag> 2 secs
[14:58] <lag> CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND surprisingly :)
[15:03] <JFo> we don't build a specifically -server kernel do we?
[15:03] <JFo> one of the bug reporters just confused the heck out of me
[15:03] <tgardner> JFo, um, of course we do
[15:03] <apw> JFo, there is a -server flavour for amd64
[15:03] <JFo> I see... oh, I knew that
[15:04]  * JFo goes to make coffee
[15:08] <bjf> moin all
[15:08] <apw> moi
[15:20] <JFo> moin bjf
[15:22] <Squideshi> I'm looking at a commit to the drm-next branch. How do I know if this patch has been incorporated into the mainline kernel, when, and which version?
[15:22] <Squideshi> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/anholt/drm-intel.git;a=commit;h=f360132626b11d0dc60814033873ca0e3111677c
[15:40] <JFo> Squideshi, you'd do a git log against the source of the tree you want to know about
[15:40] <JFo> git log <SHA1>
[15:41] <JFo> in the example above f360132626b11d0dc60814033873ca0e3111677c is the SHA
[15:56] <Squideshi> JFo: In other words, I would need to actually download the mainline kernel source?
[15:57] <JFo> you would need the Ubuntu branches in order to tell, since you'd have to run the git log commands against them
[15:57] <JFo> or rather whichever release you were interested in
[15:58] <apw> ogasawara, i did that aufs2 update.  there is a bit of a colission between that an the removal of an arguemtn to fop fsync .. which means we may not be able to fsync directories correctly on aufs2 after this... hoping we get an update from the maintainer shortly
[15:59] <ogasawara> apw: ack
[16:04] <JFo> anybody know about kdump?
[16:05] <JFo> or rather know what is needed when it seemingly fails?
[16:06]  * JFo listens to the crickets
[16:06] <Squideshi> JFo: Sorry. If I knew, I would try to help. :)
[16:06] <JFo> no problem Squideshi
[16:07] <JFo> basically just wondered if anyone of the team had experience with it
[16:07] <JFo> I know next to nothing about it
[16:09] <Squideshi> I have an Intel 845G on an Dell Inspiron 1100 that seems to have several video problems with Lucid. I first had to uninstall Compiz to get it to work at all; but now I think there are two different problems, possibly both in the kernel...
[16:09] <Squideshi> First, there's a flicker problem (I hope that's the right term.)
[16:09] <Squideshi> It appears to be fixed when I installed the linux-image-2.6.33-997-generic kernel from drm-intel-next.
[16:10] <JFo> Squideshi, do you have a bug filed we can look at?
 so lucid is basically unuseable on ec2 instances
 you run chown -R foo:foo somedir/ and on lucid on ec2 the load goes straight to 40
 it's like a software simulation of a 300bps modem
[16:12] <achiang> from #kernel
[16:16] <manjo> tgardner, CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL=y
[16:16] <manjo> tgardner, http://hildstrom.com/projects/aestest/index.html
[16:29] <lag> Does anyone know why kgdboc refuses to recognise ttyUSB0?
[16:29] <lag> I get write error: No such device
[16:31] <manjo> lag, not sure if this is your problem... http://jdramer.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/linux-kernel-debugging-with-kgdb/
[16:33] <lag> manjo: Nope. That guy is using USB->Serial on his development machine. I need it on the target.
[17:16] <JFo> apw, I'm off to grab some lunch. ping me whenever you want to chat about wikis... we can postpone till later too if you like
[17:20] <apw> JFo, ok
[17:20] <apw> ogasawara, where shall i push this maverick thing
[17:20] <apw> shall i just expose it on my zinc one ... seems sensible
[17:21] <ogasawara> apw: yah, anywhere on zinc should be good and I'll just grab it
[17:21] <apw> ogasawara, i haven't tested it other than compiling aufs bit, as it then breaks more in ubuntu/
[17:22] <ogasawara> apw: ack
[17:22] <apw> ogasawara, i'll be monitoring the aufs tree for a proper fiz
[17:22] <apw> fix
[17:37] <apw> ogasawara,   git://kernel.ubuntu.com/apw/ubuntu-maverick aufs2.35rc1
[17:37] <ogasawara> apw: thanks
[17:38] <apw> jdstrand, perhaps --cpu 4 for you
[17:46] <jdstrand> apw: --cpu 4 with testdrive you mean?
[17:52] <apw> jdstrand, was wrong channe, and you said the same in paralle in the right place
[18:04] <jdstrand> ok, I wasn't aware of a -cpu' option, so wasn't sure
[18:17] <sconklin> git remote show origin
[18:17] <sconklin> -EWRONGWINDOW
[18:19] <JFo> heh
[18:24]  * oldkid is listening to 'Subway to Sally - Wolfstraum' from 'Engelskrieger'
[18:24] <JFo> ...
[18:24] <oldkid> sorry wrong chan
[18:25] <JFo> heh
[18:36] <lool> apw: hey did you see my patch enabling linux-tools in ubuntu-maverick-*meta* as well?
[18:48] <apw> lool yeah, though ogasawara is owner for maverick and has taken ownership of the patch in patchworks
[18:48] <lool> apw: Oh ok, how do I see that?
[18:48] <apw> http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/ubuntu-kernel/list/
[18:49] <lool> Didn't know about this instance, thanks
[18:49] <lool> apw: are there more arm trees in which to enable too?
[18:49] <lool> linux-ti-omap and the like
[18:49] <ogasawara> lool: am in the middle of rebasing to 2.6.35-rc1 so will get everything that's under review applied afterwards
[18:49] <lool> (and do you need patches for them)
[18:50] <lool> ogasawara: Ok thanks
[19:05] <lool> ogasawara, apw; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/M/ARMKernelVersionAlignment
[19:07] <lool> ogasawara, apw: feel free to /join #linaro BTW  :-)
[19:07] <lool> ogasawara, apw: Someone is doing noise next to the phone
[19:25] <apw> lool, it was someone typing i recon, and not i :)
[19:26] <amitk> I can see apw and ogasawara swearing under their breath
[19:52] <apw> amitk, less than you might expect
[20:02] <jjohansen> ->lunch
[21:56] <dupondje> JFo: as i'm guessing its a bad BIOS, seems like some other people have crashes with that bios also. Mailed ASUS, but they tell me its PSU, but its not right :s
[21:56] <JFo> hmmm, that is sad
[21:56] <JFo> wonder why they think it is the PSU
[21:56] <dupondje> because they say newer cpu has bigger TDP then old one
[21:56] <dupondje> but its shit :)
[22:25] <JFo> hmmm, I seem to recall an issue with a laptop where the vendor said much the same and, to my surprise, the new PSU fixed it
[22:25] <JFo> not saying that is the case here
[22:25] <JFo> but it reminded me of that
[22:59] <jjohansen> rebooting


[10:36] <thelinuxer> hi mohamed-ragab
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[02:14] <histo> shhhh
[03:47] <DanaG> http://mpc-hc.sourceforge.net/DXVASupport.html\
[03:47] <DanaG> http://mpc-hc.sourceforge.net/DXVASupport.html
[03:47] <DanaG> interesting.
[03:48] <DanaG> er, wrong channel.
[05:08] <FFForever> how can i enable tap to click on my touchpad?
[05:20] <robin0800> FFForever: system preferences mouse
[05:22] <FFForever> robin0800, enable mouse clicks with touchpad is already enabled =\
[05:24] <Sarvatt> the latest karmic synaptics driver has it disabled by default now
[05:24] <FFForever> how do i enable it?
[05:25] <Sarvatt> try synclient TapButton1=1
[05:25] <FFForever> nope
[05:25] <FFForever> there we go i got it :)
[05:25] <FFForever> thanks, do i have to do that each boot?
[05:25] <Sarvatt> can install this -- https://edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/639179/+listing-archive-extra
[05:26] <Sarvatt> ubuntu patches synaptics to enable it by default but the patch didnt get added when it was synced from debian
[05:27] <FFForever> ahhh so i do need to run that command each boot?
[05:29] <Sarvatt> easiest to just install the driver that i linked (even though its for jaunty), its the same thing as the one in the archive except with the ubuntu patches enabled :D
[05:30] <FFForever> :P
[06:04] <ghindo> Woah.
[15:49] <zniavre> hello i want to try karmic but with jaunty and 2.6.30 kernel (from ppa) i can't install 173.14.18 nvidia driver
[15:49] <zniavre> somebody knows if this "legacy" driver works with karmic koala ?
[16:09] <SiDi> zniavre, http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/misc/nvidia-glx-173
[16:09] <SiDi> 173.14.16 apparently
[16:29] <BluesKaj> zniavre, why the legacy driver ... isn't your card listed in the 180 ?
[16:32] <SiDi> Support for some 7xxx dropped at 173 afaik
[16:37] <zniavre> BluesKaj,  fx5500 is now legacy
[16:37] <zniavre> thank sid
[16:37] <zniavre> oops he's gone
[16:39] <BluesKaj> nope , I'm here
[16:40] <Finnish> Is the latest daily build bootable from usb-stick?
[16:42] <BluesKaj> zniavre, the nvidia-glx-173 won't run on karnmic ?
[16:51] <zniavre> BluesKaj,  i tried with vbox but the driver made an error  > unalbe to build....
[16:51] <zniavre> unable*
[16:52] <zniavre> and with jaunty and 2.6.30 kernel too. I was wondering if the driver is "compatible" with 2.6.30
[16:54] <BluesKaj> zniavre, if the driver is listed in your package manager , try installing it there ..it's listed in adept and I'm running the 2.6.3 kernel
[16:55] <BluesKaj> but my card is the geforce 7600 so i have to run the 180 driver
[16:57] <zniavre> i know 180 for good graphic crad is installing and running well
[16:57] <zniavre> i was asking specificaly for 173.14.1x
[16:57] <BluesKaj> why?
[16:58] <zniavre> cause i got a card supported only by 173.xxxx
[16:58] <BluesKaj> fx5500 ?
[16:59] <zniavre> yes
[16:59] <Paddy_EIRE> Has the new karmic theme been shown yet?
[16:59] <zniavre> Paddy_EIRE,  not three hours ago   ^^
[17:00] <Paddy_EIRE> huh?
[17:01] <BluesKaj> zniavre, I don't understand whynot just install nvidia-glx-173,?  it supports your card
[17:01] <zniavre> it failed to build
[17:02] <BluesKaj> don't build it , use adept aptitude or the package manger
[17:02] <zniavre> even with synpatic of course
[17:03] <BluesKaj> yup
[17:03] <zniavre> compiling was a last way but it failed too anyway
[17:03] <BluesKaj> it'll bring along the required depenendcies
[17:04] <BluesKaj> oh , bummer , did you try , sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-173
[17:04] <zniavre> yes first try of course
[17:06] <zniavre> usualy im quite easy with this driver but now i feel it's something wrong between driver and kernel
[17:07] <zniavre> i found nothing in launchpad related to this
[17:14] <BluesKaj> zniavre, I have to ask the obvious question..have you rebooted since ?
[17:15] <zniavre> :o)
[17:15] <zniavre> several time
[17:15] <BluesKaj> ok
[17:18] <BluesKaj> well, I haven't run vbox for a long time , I just dual boot cuz VB didn't do what i wanted
[17:31] <joshjtl> folks, my microsoft natural 6000 mouse has a wheel that moves from side to side, this makes middle clicking a real pain, id like that any click (in any direction) be the same click to make this easier... any  ideas how i might do this?
[17:32] <Tekno_> yes
[17:32] <Tekno_> with xev and humm
[17:32] <joshjtl> humm ?
[17:32] <Tekno_> let me think
[17:32] <joshjtl> k thx
[17:35] <joshjtl> ok xev shows me that the wheel has button6, button7, and button2
[17:36] <Tekno_> I used xev, xbindkeys and xvkbd to set my scroll buttons to other functions
[17:36] <joshjtl> Tekno_: will i need to use all of them? I know that I want to turn off button 7 and 6
[17:37] <Tekno_> maybe you can disable them by configuring xorg.conf
[17:37] <joshjtl> k
[17:37] <Tekno_> or bind them to middle click also
[17:38] <joshjtl> yeah thats what i want
[17:38] <Tekno_> but I dont know if there is keyboard shortcut to "middle click"
[17:38] <Tekno_> if there is, its easy
[20:56] <melik> anyone know when alpha 2 is getting released
[20:57] <TheInfinity> !release
[20:57] <TheInfinity> hmm.
[20:58] <TheInfinity> !timeline
[20:58] <TheInfinity> !releaseschedule
[20:58] <TheInfinity> its in topic :p
[20:59] <charlie-tca> Alpha 2 is scheduled for June 11
[21:05] <maxb> Releases are overrated :-)
[21:28] <hggdh> very...
[23:28] <luckyone> hello Karmic folks!
[23:29] <luckyone> does karmic offer any improvement/relief for Intel video drivers?
[23:46] <mrwes> lots of updates today and a new kernel


[02:48] <mhall119> akgraner: ping
[02:50] <mhall119> nvm, I have it
[03:01] <mhall119> anybody else interested in alpha-testing a web based feed reader/organizer?
[03:28] <nhandler> mhall119: I'd give it a try. I currently use google reader for my feeds
[03:59] <mhall119> nhandler: send me an email, mhall119 <at> gmail, and I'll set up an account for you and reply with instructions, etc
[03:59] <mhall119> thanks
[05:33] <nigelb> mhall119: I want :D
[13:36] <mhall119> nigelb: sent you an email with login and instructions
[13:39] <nigelb> mhall119: yup, looking through.
[15:07] <cjohnston> mornin
[15:08] <mhall119> morning
[15:09] <nigelb> hey cjohnston
[15:10] <mhall119> facebook recommendations amuse me
[15:12] <nigelb> I got recommended to be friends of Michelle :p
[15:14] <mhall119> you're not already?
[15:14] <nigelb> no no
[15:14] <nigelb> friend of her friends.
[15:14] <mhall119> oh, ok
[15:15] <mhall119> they're an interesting lot
[15:15] <mhall119> course, you're probably already friends with half of them
[15:15] <nigelb> nah, adding them on fb would be creepy :p
[15:15] <nigelb> but yeah, all the Ubuntu folks already are :-)
[15:15] <mhall119> yeah, I only friend people I 1) actually know and 2) actually like
[15:16] <mhall119> I post on my local rep's wall frequently, and get a lot of "I like your politics, lets be friends" from other people
[15:16] <nigelb> I add people I've met in real life, talked to often on IRC to call them my friends :-)
[15:16] <mhall119> how'd I sneak in ;)
[15:17] <nigelb> I think the bit were you taught me version control for the first time :-)
[15:17] <nigelb> You and doctormo.
[15:17] <mhall119> and then you went to git, I don't know where I went wrong
[15:18] <nigelb> even more sadly, my work uses svn.
[15:18] <nigelb> I should probably have it on my resume. I know svn, but if you want me to use it, Id rather reject your offer.
[15:18] <mhall119> aw, svn? I'm so sorry
[15:19] <mhall119> get bzr-svn (or git equivilent) and just don't tell anyone
[15:20] <nigelb> hrm, I think I will do that Monday.
[15:20] <mhall119> bzr-svn is pretty cool
[15:20] <mhall119> local bzr, push to svn


[02:09] <JackVermicelli> Hiyas.  I remember some error about flash when running apt-get earlier. Coudl someone point me in the right direction to get ths sfixed? Thanks.
[03:08] <Zimm3r> For a wireless card (Dell Wireless 1395 WLAN MiniCard) is there a place I can look up if it works out of the box (also it requires a hotkey to turn on (Fn - F2) that does not seem to work in Xubuntu), what do I need to do to get it working?
[03:10] <Zimm3r> The card worked in Ubuntu but I wanted something lighter
[03:16] <babarosa> Hello! I have problems using Xubuntu v9.10 and remastersys - it only creates a fone working LiveCD BUT without any installation possibilities (icon, menu, ...). The programmer of remastersys answered my question with, "Something must be missing from Xubuntu then.  Check and see if they created their own installer in Synaptic and if they did, just install it and try again."
[03:17] <babarosa> Do you have ideas what could be missing?
[03:46] <babarosa> I opened a thread in ubuntuforums.org "http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1354458". Maybe you can post an answer there, i Have to leave you now. Thanks in advance!
[03:49] <cebosound> hello
[03:50] <cebosound> can someone please tell me how to make other applications as icons in my main window.
[04:06] <cebosound> i want to put the google icon and ap where the firefox icon/ap is...
[04:06] <cebosound> anyone...?
[04:06] <Venim> right click
[04:07] <Venim> and choose either add a launcer
[04:07] <Venim> or change the properties of the default firefox launcher
[04:08] <cebosound> i opened aplications>network>google  (then i right clicked google...only opened the browser.  then tried to drag it to the desktop...didn't work either.
[04:09] <cebosound> i just want to make it easier accessable then going to the menu
[04:09] <Venim> do what i just said
[04:09] <Venim> a launcher is a shortcut to an application
[04:10] <cebosound> right click where?
[04:10] <Venim> where the firefox logo is
[04:10] <Venim> where you want the icon
[04:10] <cebosound> okay, i'll try
[04:12] <cebosound> okay i right clicked in the top panel and clicked add new items.    there are many items there, but not google chrome.  (that is cool though)
[04:13] <Venim> launcher
[04:13] <cebosound> i would like to put the icon in the top panel.  and possibly remove fire fox.
[04:13] <Venim> that's what you need
[04:13] <Venim> ok
[04:13] <Venim> well then right click on the firefox icon
[04:13] <Venim> and click properties
[04:13] <cebosound> there is quick launcher and launcher...  whats the difference?
[04:14] <Venim> launcher is an individual shortcut
[04:14] <cebosound> okay
[04:14] <Venim> quicklauncher has a bunch of launchers
[04:14] <Venim> did you get to the properties of the launcher?
[04:15] <cebosound> yeah, i am in the properties.  tryin to find google chrome, and/or icon
[04:16] <Venim> well the icon isn't in the default directory
[04:16] <Venim> but for the command
[04:16] <Venim> just type "google-chrome" (w/o quotes)
[04:18] <cebosound> k. found google-chrome.   working directory?   run in terminal?  use startup notification?
[04:19] <cebosound> If i want the actual google chrome icon... i am going to have to use some program to make it probably right?
[04:19] <Venim> none
[04:19] <Venim> don't need anything there
[04:19] <Venim> you can probably find the icon in the internet
[04:20] <cebosound> if i put the working directory as desktop, will it put it in the desk top...    it defaulted as "cebosound"
[04:20] <cebosound> so i am guessing... that's like "my documents"
[04:20] <cebosound> pardon my comparisons to windows.  :)
[04:21] <Venim> no
[04:21] <Venim> there's no need for a working directory
[04:21] <Venim> o
[04:21] <Venim> but youc an just leave it as your home folder
[04:21] <Venim> which is the default
[04:22] <cebosound> okay.  ... yeah i have to have something there.  i can just leave it as "cebosound".  that was defaulted.
[04:24] <cebosound> sweet the icon worked...  i made the icon a world/globe for now.  i will try to get the actual google chrome icon later online
[04:25] <cebosound> Thanks for your help Venim.  I can see how easy that should have been.
[04:26] <cebosound> looks like i can just "right click" on the desktop also ... and just create a new launcher, etc.
[10:08] <MaxFrames> hello
[10:09] <MaxFrames> does syslog keep by default a log of successfully sent messages, and how do I read it?
[10:09] <MaxFrames> I've set up arpwatch but I am not receving messages, I want to make sure if it is sending me emails at all
[10:26] <ablomen> MaxFrames, what do you/does arpwatch use to send the e-mails?
[10:27] <ablomen> sendmail should put logs of everything in /var/log/mail.log and exim in /var/log/exim/mainlog
[10:29] <MaxFrames> I am using sendmail
[10:29] <MaxFrames> I didn't touch the default sendmail config file, so it should be logging sent messages
[10:31] <MaxFrames> ok, found the logs in /var/log/mail.log
[10:31] <ablomen> otherwise try sending an email with sendmail -f to see if its even capable of sending mail
[10:31] <MaxFrames> thanks
[10:31] <ablomen> np :)
[10:32] <MaxFrames> it seems that the recipient's server is refusing the connection, I'm looking at the logs to figure out why
[10:35] <MaxFrames> I think the problem is that the sender address is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and the recipient server doesn't know the "myhostname.mydomain.it" domain, of course, so it's refusing the connection
[10:35] <MaxFrames> I need to know how to configure sendmail to use a different sender address, like simply<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:40] <ablomen> well you can just edit from tag to that, but if it wants to do a reverse lookup you will have to add a reverse lookup to the dns
[10:43] <ablomen> ehm or to the ip of your server, not really sure actually, i just have a input field with my hosting company to do this ;)
[10:43] <MaxFrames> unfortunately I don't manage the corporate DNS
[10:44] <MaxFrames> I only manage a small subnet, and I need an arpwatch daemon to notify me if some MAC/IP address matching changes
[10:44] <MaxFrames> in order to be notified by email, I need sendmail on the arpwatch host
[10:44] <MaxFrames> and the arpwatch host is not registered in our DNS!
[10:45] <MaxFrames> all this is just for internal purposes, I don't want nor need to register a host in the DNS, if just there was a quick fix for this scenario...
[10:46] <ablomen> dont you have a gmail adress or something? thats the quickest fix, you can send anything that remotly looks like an email to gmail and it will accept it
[10:46] <ablomen> but thats only i quick and dirty fix obviously
[10:47] <MaxFrames> yes, though I'd prefer to send it to my corporate email address
[10:47] <ablomen> otherwise you might want to try changing the from tag and using your corporate smtp server to send it, not sure if that will work but its the only thing i can think of
[10:48] <MaxFrames> isn't there a way to configure sendmail so that it used @mydomain.it instead of @myhost.mydomain.it?
[10:48] <ablomen> might be, but i'd ask in #sendmail or something, my knowledge (on this) is very limited
[10:49] <MaxFrames> ok, I'll try there, thanks
[10:50] <ablomen> np, good luck (im not sure if #sendmail actually exists btw, but they must have irc somewhere)
[14:13] <vidd> how does one disable the graphical login screen in favor of the text login screen?
[14:15] <knome> vidd, sudo apt-get remove gdm
[14:15] <vidd> knome, i want the desktop....
[14:16] <knome> vidd, ->startx
[14:17] <vidd> prior to 9.10, the user was able to choose the login display....
[14:17] <vidd> where is this in 9.10?
[14:17] <knome> no idea.
[14:17] <knome> the new gdm isn't the best option anyway.
[14:18] <vidd> then why are we using it?
[14:18] <knome> there's no other option
[14:18] <knome> see you later, i have to hurry to catch a client meetup
[14:18] <vidd> kk
[14:24] <djura-san> ola 2 all
[14:24] <djura-san> o/
[14:28] <nwadawg> hi all
[14:28] <djura-san> o/
[14:30] <nwadawg> I am really liking xubuntu
[14:30] <djura-san> yeah its good (and repos are superB)
[14:32] <nwadawg> I'm coming from openbox, xfce is a little heavier, but not too much
[14:33] <djura-san> comparing to openbox, xfce is a hog ;)
[14:34] <nwadawg> my ob booted on 94mb, xfce booots on 115
[14:35] <dunix> Fluxbox ftw :D
[16:39] <rr73> can we talk about alpha here or is that -dev?
[16:40] <knome> rr73, actually #ubuntu+1, but depends much on the subject
[16:41] <rr73> just booting it is giving me problems on my laptop, the screen sontinously flickers and is dim
[16:41] <rr73> *continously
[16:41] <rr73> i have checked the intgrity of disc via the option in the menu and it says it is fine, barely visable though
[16:42] <knome> okay, that sounds like a subject for #ubuntu+1 ;)
[16:42] <rr73> knome~ will ask there later, off to lunch. thank you for reminding me the +1 channel.
[16:42] <knome> np, bon appetit
[16:42] <rr73> so you watch xubuntu but not xubuntu-devel knome :-P
[16:42] <knome> i watch both, how so?
[16:43] <knome> the last time you asked something there it was 4am here in finland ;)
[16:43] <knome> so probably not answering at that time... :)
[18:14] <Bart_KSC> Hi, I wanted a up to date, debian based linux desktop with mainly XFCE, but I also want to be able to try other desktops.
[18:15] <Bart_KSC> Someone at the debian IRC recommended a *buntu, and this one seemed logical
[18:16] <Bart_KSC> but what's the difference between xubunu and using Xfce on ubuntu or kubuntu?
[18:16] <TheSheep> !hi | Bart_KSC
[18:18] <Bart_KSC> Ah, the frequently asked questions... Sorry I didn't look there, it's been a long day
[18:20] <TheSheep> sorry, I typed that before you asked the question
[18:20] <TheSheep> I figured you didn't know what to do :)
[18:21] <TheSheep> that basic difference between ubuntu and xubuntu is that xubuntu doesn't have the gnome desktop installed, it uses xfce instead (but configured by default to look similar to the gnome desktop) and also has a different set of applications installed by default. You can still install and use anything from the ubuntu repositories, including gnome and kde desktops, of course.
[18:22] <TheSheep> so the difference is mostly in what is installed by default
[18:22] <Bart_KSC> Okay, another question. The computer I wan't too use won't have internet, at least for a while. Is there anywhere I can get a DVD with more software that includes Xubuntu?
[18:22] <Bart_KSC> without buying it
[18:23] <Bart_KSC> the plan was to install it tonight
[18:24] <TheSheep> I think there is an ubuntu dvd, not sure
[18:25] <Bart_KSC> My problem is I can't find it on the site :P
[18:25] <Bart_KSC> I guess I should ask in #ubuntu
[18:25] <TheSheep> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/
[18:25] <TheSheep> oh, sorry
[18:26] <TheSheep> that;s the development version
[18:26] <TheSheep> hmm...
[18:26] <TheSheep> !dvd
[18:26] <TheSheep> nope
[18:28] <Bart_KSC> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/non-ports/releases/9.10/release/
[18:28] <Bart_KSC> found it
[18:28] <Bart_KSC> (I think)
[19:56] <kn100> My volume control + brightness buttons work in vanilla ubuntu but not in xubuntu
[19:56] <kn100> any idea how I can make it work in xubuntu
[20:24] <Bart_KSC> I've got ubuntu, how can I install xubuntu?
[20:24] <knome> Bart_KSC, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[20:24] <Bart_KSC> sorry
[20:25] <knome> Bart_KSC, type that into a terminal and hit enter, or find the package 'xubuntu-desktop' in synaptic and install
[20:25] <Bart_KSC> I was using synaptic, and neither searching for xubuntu or xfce found anything
[20:25] <likemindead> But it's never quite the same as a fresh Xubuntu install...
[20:25] <Bart_KSC> wat's the difference?
[20:25] <likemindead> Uh... it should definitely be in Synaptic.
[20:25] <Bart_KSC> Yeah, I found it by scrolling
[20:26] <Bart_KSC> but what's the difference?
[20:26] <knome> Bart_KSC, you still have the ubuntu packages
[20:26] <knome> !purexfce | Bart_KSC
[20:26] <likemindead> If you install the xubuntu-desktop package on top of an Ubuntu install, there's some slight bugginess in menus and such.
[20:26] <likemindead> At least in my experience.
[20:26] <likemindead> It's always a bit... off.
[20:27] <Bart_KSC> I'll remember that. If I have any problems i'll change the one I use.
[20:28] <Traveler> hi guys
[20:28] <likemindead> !hi | Traveler
[20:28] <likemindead> You need a registered nick, Guest26911...
[20:29] <Guest26911> i am trying to set up xbmc on xubuntu.  part of the ubuntu guide says to edit etc/events.rc/tty1, but i cannot find that file.
[20:31] <Guest26911> does it exist in xubuntu, or should i create it?
[20:33] <Guest26911> anyone there?
[20:34] <likemindead> Create it, Guest26911.
[20:34] <nwadawg> you on (.10 Guest26911?
[20:34] <Guest26911> should it already exist?
[20:34] <nwadawg> 9.10
[20:34] <Guest26911> i am on 9.10
[20:34] <likemindead> I dunno. I had to create a /etc/X11/xorg.conf the other day. :-\
[20:35] <nwadawg> they moved the tty conf's to /etc/init
[20:39] <Guest26911> looks good
[21:26] <ehazlett> Bart_KSC, you could remix your own version with reconstructor
[21:29] <thevishy> why u guys like xfce
[21:30] <knome> it's fast, sleek and customisable.
[21:30] <thevishy> right ,thats what I am lookin for :)
[21:30] <thevishy> dwnloading now
[21:59] <djura-san> so i have unusual question:
[22:00] <djura-san> i love option in programs that disables multiple instances
[22:01] <djura-san> but some apps comes without that option (to turn off multiple instances)
[22:01] <djura-san> *come
[22:01] <djura-san> so i was wondering is there gui app that will allow that? TO create list of apps that will disable multiple instances?
[22:01] <knome> well, basically you could write a script which checks if that app exists (by greping 'ps' output or by using wmctrl) and then only run the app if it's not running
[22:02] <djura-san> i know
[22:02] <djura-san> i have one script that do that
[22:02] <djura-san> but
[22:02] <djura-san> i was thining about gui app. Maybe with daemon!? Is there any
[22:02] <knome> i don't know
[22:03] <djura-san> example: today i saw that my mom started 3 instances of xchat and i hate that
[22:03] <djura-san> i use only thunar in multiple instances
[22:03] <djura-san> huh
[22:04] <knome> hah
[22:04] <djura-san> i should use "run in terminal" option for all my panel apps
[22:04] <djura-san> if anyone want that script wisiti this:
[22:04] <djura-san> http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Autostart
[22:04] <djura-san> there is one section about that
[22:04] <djura-san> :)