[01:00] <nathwill> night folks. off to find some blackberries for pickin'
[02:28] <blkperl> tgm4883: you mean that ppa thats no longer maintained?
[02:45] <tgm4883> blkperl, no, in the official repos
[02:45] <tgm4883> its old
[06:03] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Maybe whoever maintained it got busy?
[06:04] <bkerensa> Im sure they would sponsor a upload if you wanna update the package :)
[06:44] <philballew> you could switch to chrome if you just want an easy fix
[14:06] <tgm4883> bkerensa, I'm just wondering why we don't/can't do syncs from debian for it?
[14:06] <tgm4883> since debian has more recent versions
[16:18] <nathwill> tgm4883, you're referring to chromium still?
[16:19] <tgm4883> nathwill, yes
[16:19] <tgm4883> nathwill, well, chromium-browser
[16:19] <nathwill> right
[16:20] <MaskilPDX> Morning all
[16:20] <nathwill> so i think part of the issue with chromium has been the super-rapid pace of development, that's not really a good fit for the typical software inclusion process
[16:20] <tgm4883> morning
[16:20] <tgm4883> nathwill, please see FireFox
[16:20] <nathwill> tgm4883, yeah, i totally agree
[16:20] <nathwill> just commenting on the reasoning for the current state
[16:21] <nathwill> tgm4883, there should really be targeted "high use" applications that have their own delivery channel that you can turn on in the software center ("Prefer current to stable?")
[16:22] <nathwill> i'd include ff, chromium, thunderbird, gimp, etc
[16:22] <tgm4883> nathwill, I agree, although there kinda is now
[16:22] <tgm4883> extras allows updates to the released version
[16:22] <nathwill> hrm
[16:23] <tgm4883> stuff has to go in /opt
[16:23] <tgm4883> not sure the other requirements
[16:23] <nathwill> yeah that's a terrible place to install things
[16:23] <tgm4883> but that is what things submitted to developer.ubuntu.com go in
[16:23] <nathwill> yep. doesn't mean it's right.
[16:24] <tgm4883> hmm
[16:24] <tgm4883> it loosly fits the definitions
[16:24] <tgm4883>  /opt   This directory should contain add-on packages that contain static files.
[16:25] <nathwill> so aside from the fact that it's superfluous, my major objection to /opt is that it's generally mounted on the same partition as root
[16:25] <tgm4883> Default partitioning in Ubuntu is the same is it not?
[16:25] <tgm4883> everything in one partition
[16:25] <nathwill> which causes problems. especially when we're pushing big (gigs) commercial apps down
[16:25] <tgm4883> I don't recall if /home is a different partition
[19:05] <bkerensa> tgm4883: I see
[19:12] <bkerensa> nathwill: My fiancee is going to kill me soon if I don't offload this server :) any chance on Thursday you might want to hold onto it for a bit?
[19:12] <bkerensa> :D
[19:12] <bkerensa> imho if we don't hear back from PSU soon perhaps it might be best to consider Plan B
[19:14] <nathwill> sure thing bkerensa, let's meet up for lunch/dinner on thursday?
[19:14] <nathwill> and we can do the swap then
[19:14] <nathwill> then i can load the hard drives and get the base installed
[19:14] <bkerensa> nathwill: uhh the debian beering?
[19:14] <bkerensa> :)
[19:15] <bkerensa> Maybe you can swing by and I can put it in your trunk and we can go to the beering?
[19:15] <bkerensa> slangasek: that is still going on thursday right?
[19:19] <bkerensa> tgm4883: any interest in being a banner keeper? :)
[19:20] <tgm4883> bkerensa, I could possibly, I don't go to many events that you aren't already at though
[19:21] <bkerensa> tgm4883: yeah but you are in our second most active city :) so if someone needed the banner you could offload it much easier :)
[19:21] <tgm4883> true
[19:24] <nathwill> oh, even better
[19:36] <bkerensa> tgm4883: you planning for UDS?
[19:36] <tgm4883> bkerensa, I've applied for sponsorship
[19:37] <bkerensa> So I imagine you will go :)
[19:37] <tgm4883> I can hope :)
[19:37] <tgm4883> maybe slangasek gets a vote?
[19:37] <bkerensa> he does
[19:37] <bkerensa> :)
[19:37] <tgm4883> Vote for tgm4883!
[19:37] <bkerensa> All Team Managers do
[19:37] <bkerensa> :)
[19:38] <bkerensa> Kernel, Foundations, Security, Desktop, Server/Cloud, Community and then sabdfl
[19:38] <tgm4883> cool
[19:39] <bkerensa> The hotel and convention center in copenhagen looks amazing
[19:39] <tgm4883> yea looks pretty nice
[20:15] <c_smith> bkerensa, you know how you asked if my issue with my Iconia Tab was fixable? here's an XDA Dev post about that issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1845699     so essentially, I was fishing with dynamite.
[21:31] <bkerensa> nathwill: I have a interview with PuppetLabs Thursday
[21:31] <bkerensa> ;)
[21:32] <nathwill> bkerensa, good luck!
[21:33] <bkerensa> nathwill: I know right :P its with a VP even ;p
[21:35] <nathwill> the guy we met at the release party?
[21:38] <bkerensa> nathwill: nah that "was" their Community Manager
[21:38] <bkerensa> ;)
[21:38] <bkerensa> Guess what job I applied for?
[21:38] <bkerensa> ;)
[21:38] <nathwill> hey slangasek, any insight on the debian perl policy saying "no daemons" ?
[21:38] <bkerensa> "Community Manager" ;)
[21:38] <nathwill> rofl
[21:38] <bkerensa> lol
[21:38] <nathwill> i see
[21:39] <slangasek> nathwill: I don't see anything like that in the perl policy I have here?
[21:41] <nathwill> k, i'll see if i can find it again. was reading through it last night at home (diff pc)
[21:53] <nathwill> slangasek: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/first.en.html#choose my mistake, this section is not specific to perl
[21:53] <nathwill> it just says "don't package daemons", which is even cooler
[21:54] <slangasek> nor is it part of Policy
[21:54] <slangasek> it's just a set of recommendations for getting started on contributing to Debian
[21:56] <nathwill> gotcha
[21:57] <bkerensa> nathwill: Lucky Lab has a Taster for $8.50 its great
[21:57] <nathwill> slangasek, you have any intuition on why there would be a 'no-daemons' recommendation? i thought it was a curious request.
[21:57] <nathwill> bkerensa, i look forward to visiting, it seems to be a popular destination
[22:03] <slangasek> nathwill: sure, because there are lots of security concerns and lots of other policy requirements around integration of startup scripts, so all other things being equal a daemon is not the best place to start
[22:04] <nathwill> slangasek, ok. that seems a sensible comment then. thanks.
[23:38] <nathwill> omfg. i never thought i'd say it, but i miss freebsd
[23:38] <c_smith> nathwill, why?
[23:38] <nathwill> c_smith, rhel migration is going poorly :(
[23:39] <c_smith> one thing I never got is the unholy war between BSD and Linux.
[23:39] <c_smith> nathwill, ah, makes sense.
[23:39] <c_smith> *holy war.
[23:39] <c_smith> not unholy.....
[23:40] <nathwill> lol
[23:41] <nathwill> they compete in the same space, competition's healthy :)
[23:41] <c_smith> ah, I see.
[23:41] <c_smith> but a lot of people turn it into some holy war.


[07:00] <oSoMoN> good morning
[07:35] <MacSlow> ola
[11:29] <andyrock> JohnLea, is this bug still valid? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/747309
[11:32] <JohnLea> andyrock; yes it is, the launcher should be active when the dash is open, but the visual appearance should not change (e.g. the launcher remains desaturated).  Clicking on a Luncher item will close the dash and perform the usual action
[11:33] <andyrock> JohnLea, ok thx... so we should use the old behavior...
[11:34] <JohnLea> andyrock; well in Natty clicking on the Launcher closes the Dash but does not activate the Launcher item the user has clicked on
[11:35] <andyrock> okok
[11:35] <JohnLea> andyrock; this bug basically makes the launcher item that is clicked on perform the action the user would expect it to if the dash was closed
[11:35] <andyrock> JohnLea, i got it
[11:35] <JohnLea> andyrock; u thinking of working on this one?
[11:36] <andyrock> JohnLea, i don't know :) i'm working on other bug atm
[11:36] <andyrock> *bugs
[11:37] <JohnLea> andyrock ;-)
[11:44] <jml> I notice the new alt-tab stuff switches between desktops. Is there a key to get expose-like functionality for just one desktop?
[11:52] <thumper> jml: I wish!
[11:52] <thumper> jml: ccsm probably lets you set it
[11:53] <jml> So there's no supported way to switch between windows on a single desktop?
[11:53] <thumper> but warning, unity will crash if you try to do anything with ccsm right now
[11:53] <thumper> not as far as I'm aware (much to my annoyance)
[11:54] <jml> thumper: yesterday, unity crashed when I used alt-tab
[11:55] <jml> thumper: you guys should have a test suite or something :P
[11:56]  * thumper pokes jml in the eye
[12:17] <njpatel> apw, hi, who would I speak to about really, really bad performance with SSD , i7 and any hard-disk related activity? Even with metacity my entire computer is rendered useless if I compile something....pulseaudio freaks out, can't move windows or type in real-time and this has been there since natty
[12:19] <apw> njpatel, we in the kernel team would be interested in that
[12:38] <apw> njpatel, we have seen issues with some sata controllers being crap and needing command queueing turning off for instancee
[12:39] <andyrock> daniel van vugt (i don't know what's your nickname) around?
[12:49] <njpatel> apw, alrighty, will investigate more on thursday after the freeze, would be really nice to try and find a fix as a lot of us in dx seem to suffer from it
[12:55] <apw> njpatel, odd indeed not something that i seem to see, but maybe i use newer bits than natty kernel side most of the time
[12:56] <davidcalle> Hi njpatel, do you have time for a quick question?
[12:57] <njpatel> apw, to give you an idea, on my quad core (and on gord's I believe), we no longer use make -j8 as it causes random side-effects across the desktop (like pulse dying or making everything sound like a robot), only use mak -j4 now
[12:59] <apw> njpatel, 32 or 64 bit
[13:01] <njpatel> apw, 64
[13:01] <apw> hmmm ok thanks
[13:02] <njpatel> both with intel SSDs
[13:02] <njpatel> 8GB ram
[13:02] <njpatel> one has quad-core 2660 and other is i7
[13:02] <apw> and do they have any swap configured
[13:02] <njpatel> both have 4b swap
[13:02] <njpatel> 4gb
[13:02] <njpatel> but ram doesn't really get above 4gb on either
[13:03] <njpatel> ram usage*
[13:03] <apw> ok cool
[13:09] <gord> yup same thing here, sucks
[13:09] <gord> also happens when $random thing decides to eat up a lot of IO here too
[13:37] <njpatel> davidcalle, dude, sorry!
[13:37] <njpatel> davidcalle, yes, I do, I thought I replied but I didn't :)
[13:37] <njpatel> what's up?
[13:37] <davidcalle> njpatel, ;)
[13:37] <davidcalle> njpatel, is the new scopes/lenses api documented?
[13:37] <njpatel> davidcalle, not yet, going to try and get something out today
[13:38] <njpatel> davidcalle, right now lp:unity-place-files is the best/simplest example
[13:38] <njpatel> but I'll try and have something up tonight
[13:39] <davidcalle> njpatel, today? That would be awesome. I've looked at kenvandine's lens but I'm having a hard time porting to python.
[13:39] <davidcalle> *porting it
[13:39] <njpatel> davidcalle, right, python
[13:39] <njpatel> :)
[13:40] <davidcalle> njpatel, yeah, some people are still using it :)
[13:40] <njpatel> yeah, as soon as I'm done with code I'll continue writing up the changes as best I can
[13:40] <njpatel> davidcalle, I got ken to move to vala, you're next! :)
[13:40] <davidcalle> njpatel, what could go wrong ? ;)
[13:41] <njpatel> :)
[13:41]  * kenvandine is glad he ported to vala :)
[13:41] <njpatel> davidcalle, you and I might be spending some time together over this week if I've messed something up in the bindings to python, but I tried to stay as simple as possible with the API so I really hope not
[13:42] <davidcalle> njpatel, thanks a lot
[17:34] <andyrock> smspillaz, present?
[18:03] <andyrock> smspillaz, it's about the scale plugin and dnd... what's the wanted behavior? I mean, the timeout should be reset every time the mouse pointer hover another scaled window or should reset every time the mouse pointer move more then X pixels...


[10:11] <ebel> hmm, we haven't had an irc meeting in a while. we should probably have another one shortly (see email)
[10:53] <tdr112> email saw +1
[10:53] <czajkowski> ello
[10:55] <tdr112> hey czajkowski
[10:55] <czajkowski> hows folks
[10:58] <puffisocks> y0 czajkowski
[11:13] <ebel> yo
[12:29] <automaciej> does anyone have experience with precise-based netbooks? I've got a eeepc with a 4GB hard drive. I installed lubuntu-desktop, and it left me with 180MB of free space on disk,lol.
[12:30] <automaciej> the needs are: connect to a wifi network, fire up a web browser and play a youtube video (html5 is enough, no flashplayer needed)
[12:31] <automaciej> I tried to fiddle with installing fluxbox and network-manager by hand, but it was generally unsuccessful. I didn't know what the right mix of packages is.
[12:31] <automaciej> networkmanager cli din't want to work, and the sound wouldn't work.
[12:32] <czajkowski> automaciej: hmm no chance of increasing the hd?
[12:33] <automaciej> hm. potentially yes, if that's the easiest option.
[12:33] <automaciej> I was kind of hoping for a known minimal set of packages.
[12:33] <automaciej> for example, I started with ubuntu-server which left about 2GB of disk free.
[12:33] <automaciej> I was thinking: How much more could a minimal desktop take? X.org is something like 60GB. A browser is another 60GB.
[12:34] <czajkowski> automaciej: have you askked in lubuntu channel
[12:34] <czajkowski> they may know how to tweak it
[12:34] <automaciej> no, this is the first channel I'm trying.
[12:34] <automaciej> I might try with passing --no-install-recommends
[12:34] <automaciej> I haven't tried that one yet.
[12:35] <czajkowski> ok
[12:36]  * automaciej joins the lubuntu channel
[12:37] <czajkowski> they may know more
[12:37] <czajkowski> automaciej: sorry I'm not more help
[12:38] <automaciej> redirection to #lubuntu is good help, thanks!
[12:52] <ebel> automaciej: odd that the default install takes ~ 3.8ishGB
[12:52] <ebel> maybe start removing packages. Remove openoffice/libreoffice?
[12:53] <puffisocks> automaciej: maybe try debian minimal? should be about 300mb or less
[12:53] <ebel> automaciej: The "dpigs" command line programme shows you what packages are using lots of disk space
[12:54] <ebel> Go through that and remove things?
[12:54] <ebel> You could try removing any music/video players?
[12:55] <slashbel> 'apt-get clean' may help
[14:19] <automaciej> ebel: libreoffice is not installed; the dpigs utility looks very useful, I'm removing some packages, let me see how much space I can free up.
[14:20] <automaciej> with the packages, it could be more of a long tail thing, it's the many small packages that amount for the most space taken
[14:22] <automaciej> ok, almost 800MB of free space now
[14:24] <czajkowski> yay
[14:24] <czajkowski> making progress
[14:27] <automaciej> 848MB. I declare it good enough for now.
[14:28] <automaciej> ebel++
[14:28] <czajkowski> brilliant
[18:38] <fivepoundnote> I can't open the Network Panel from the top panel, as advised in Help for connecting to wireless. I've used nm-tools and gone through troubleshooting. All was well on home wireless network, but couldn't select wireless networks in cafes, although nm-tools and diagnostics told me they were being detected. I just couldn't select by opening network panel as suggested. I (foolishly) removed
[18:38] <fivepoundnote> Network Manager, and tried to re-install. Now it is telling me it cannot access the internet to install. Surpise! Now no longer working on home wireless network. How will I tackle re-installing without a network connection? Accessing internet now through windows machine. Grrr...
[18:48] <fivepoundnote> download a .tar.gz and install? Is that a reasonable strategy?
[20:32] <automaciej> fivepoundnote: static configuration via /etc/network/interfaces?
[20:34] <automaciej> you'd have to look up how to configure wpa_supplicant.
[21:25] <fivepoundnote> thanks automaciej, I'll check that out.


[18:36] <xu-irc44w> Hi, I am back with my problem: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1388628/xubuntu-usb-wifi-driver-lost-with-recent-update?noredirect=1#comment2398458_1388628.   Last time I got recommendation to re-install the OS; yes, that temporarily solved the issue and the antenna got signal again.  But once I ran through updates, puff, gone again.
[18:36] <xu-irc44w> Is there another driver that is not affected that you could refer me to?
[18:37] <xu-irc44w> I saw two more folks who had the same issue, but I must believe there are more laptops out there that get affected ?
[19:30] <xenoid> anyone here?
[19:35] <oerheks> Maybe?
[19:35] <oerheks> ask your real question and find out
[19:58]  * oerheks walks away
[20:00] <tomreyn> xu-irc44w: i assume, solely based on the message given, "Kernel preparation unnecessary for this kernel. Skipping...", that the kernel version you are running now, does not actually need this out of tree module, but supports it natively. there seems to be another issue, where this out of tree module was built (by dkms) from module source version 5.6.1, but this version is no longer available - apparently the code in the directory dkms builds
[20:00] <tomreyn> the module from has changed.
[20:01] <tomreyn> and the /var/lib/dkms/rtl88x2bu/5.6.1/build/make.log log should have more info on this second issue
[20:31] <xu-irc44w> thanks tomreyn, let me check the log
[20:35] <xu-irc44w> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/bb2599c26f98c00c0c0e29a62f06424b/dkms_driver.png
[20:35] <xu-irc44w> there is no such dir
[20:37] <xu-irc44w> do see options for me?
[20:58] <tomreyn> xu-irc44w:  so it looks like you removed it? maybe you purged and reinstalled dkms?
[21:00] <tomreyn> the moule source seems to be located at /usr/src/rtl88x2bu-5.6.1*
[21:04] <xu-irc44w> ah, I did not re-install dkms after the re-install of the os, ok, my next step - thanks
[21:05] <xu-irc44w> however, on 2nd thought, you are right, the os did it natively, it does no longer need that driver install - its something in the upgrades that removes that again
[22:36] <xenoid> When I boot into grub my screen tells me Asus "Out of Range" I wait 15 seconds later and I can boot into xubuntu this is with a HDMI connection cable
[22:36] <xenoid> when I boot into grub with a vga cable I am able to select either my xubuntu os or my windows 10 os with no issues and boot into both
[22:36] <xenoid> how do I fix this issue?


[03:59] <doctormo> dinda: hello, got your messages tot he mailing list
[03:59] <dinda> doctormo: howdy
[04:10] <doctormo> dinda: Your thoughts on the direction of this project with regards to development? Did you manage to see some of the proposal diagrams?
[12:08] <Zachk18> hello
[17:50] <txwikinger_work> doctormo: A response to the Jason Perlow article: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090927151401988
[19:34] <doctormo> interesting, thanks
[19:40] <pleia2> dinda: where are you on your ops course?
[19:40] <pleia2> dinda: in addition to the typical stuff from freenode and the IrcTeam, I have written this course: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Courses/IRCOp
[19:41] <pleia2> it's a couple years old, but I think it's all still valid, could probably use a revision talking about freenode's flag system
[19:56] <dinda> pleia2: we have an outline that's about it so far
[19:56] <dinda> pleia2: the whole point of using Moodle and building a course format is so that folks have a more guided experience, instead of just reading a wiki page
[19:57] <pleia2> dinda: of course :) I was offering up the link as a reference
[19:57] <pleia2> I think the most useful thing about mine is the "writing good bans and mutes" section
[19:57] <dinda> pleia2: yip, so links like that are the basis of our course
[19:57] <pleia2> a lot of op guides miss this, and it's sorely needed
[19:57] <pleia2> right, same with all my and doctormo's courses so far
[19:58] <dinda> pleia2: and after last night's Troll battle/discussion in #ubuntu-women, might be good to think about that too
[19:58] <pleia2> trying to snag more volunteers to help find us good documentation to do some of our course development with
[19:58] <pleia2> dinda: heh, I'm not even going to bother reading the backlog, that channel has been tiresome for me lately :)
[19:59]  * pleia2 thinks "burnout" is a nice section for an ops guide too
[20:00] <pleia2> irc is so volatile
[20:09]  * doctormo hugs pleia2 and dinda
[20:09] <dinda> pleia2: agreed
[20:09] <dinda> pleia2: one reason behind tackling the IRCops course first was I wanted a simple, quick victory :
[20:09] <dinda> :)
[20:10]  * pleia2 hugs doctormo
[20:10] <pleia2> thanks!
[20:10]  * dinda high fives back doctormo
[20:11] <dinda> doctormo: about to reply back to your proposed roles
[20:11] <dinda> doctormo: do you want all those roles to map directly to Moodle roles?
[20:14] <doctormo> dinda: Most of them will I think, but that's not what _I_ want, it should be a group decission.
[20:14] <dinda> doctormo: there are a few gotchas in assigning/setting moodle roles and permissions
[20:15] <dinda> doctormo: they're easy enough to customize but we discovered that unless a role also has to the full course files, then they often can't see the materials they are being asked to review. . .
[20:16] <doctormo> dinda: It's unlikely moodle would be used for review though, because that happens before publication
[20:17] <doctormo> dinda: Moodle only needs to contain publishers, students, teachers and techs. Others are by choice but not much function.
[20:17] <doctormo> Onlky publishers would be able to make courses with this proposal.
[20:18] <dinda> so would each role then be a different LP group with only publishers having commit rights?
[20:18] <pleia2> doctormo: I think workflow will still have to be somewhat settled, cprofitt and dinda are really more comfortable with the workflow in moodle - we might just have a workflow model that allows that and has someone else in the project backport the moodle courses into asciidoc for pdf release as needed
[20:19] <pleia2> and not to single them out, but since we already have two contributors who feel this way, I'm sure we'll have more in the future :)
[20:20] <doctormo> pleia2: Of course we can accomedate various people's tool use, but the more complexity, the more dificulty in administration.
[20:21] <pleia2> doctormo: *nod* we certainly should have limitations on how flexible we should be, but I think this case is reasonable
[20:21] <doctormo> I'm hoping that each person can be taught with the right tools to get into editing and reviewing outside of moodle.   I just use IRC.
[20:38] <doctormo> Hey wazzu, I haven't seen you up on here much before, are you getting involved in our learning community?
[20:39] <wazzu> I just got a new computer built and 9.04 setup so I just new on this channel.
[20:40] <doctormo> wazzu: welcome
[20:41] <pleia2> doctormo: oh, I'm going to convert my course to asciidoc and flesh it out soon (maybe tonight if I'm not too much of a zombie)
[20:41] <doctormo> pleia2: Nice, I'm going to convert the rest of mine and merge in BiosElements branch soon too
[20:41] <pleia2> awesome
[20:42] <doctormo> These branches have been nice and cheap ways of experimenting with formats so far.
[20:42] <wazzu> Thank you.  It seems like a nice group.
[20:48] <Zachk18> welcome wazzu
[20:50]  * Zachk18 is back (gone 00:00:31)
[20:51] <pleia2> Zachk18: please stop using that here :(
[20:51] <pleia2> Zachk18: I've asked you several times
[21:02] <wazzu> Well, good day everyone; time to go.  Thanks for the kindly welcome.
[21:02] <doctormo> pleia2: Who is the admin for this IRC channel?
[21:02] <doctormo> wazzu: I look forward to seeing you again some time.
[21:35] <pleia2> doctormo_: I am (but bodhi, vantrax and cproffit are channel manager too
[21:35] <pleia2> dunno why you aren't, huh
[21:36] <pleia2> there we go
[21:37] <pleia2> so board members are channel admins


[16:29] <realtime-neil> I'm following along with https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall-quickstart and it's working for me, but I want to adapt it such that preseed (or something) retrieves all things from the web server (as opposed to the iso). How would I go about doing this?
[17:39] <CarlFK> realtime-neil: huge guess here, but try url=hostname
[17:39] <CarlFK> as a kernel parameter
[17:40] <CarlFK> that guess is based on how d-i does it, maybe it is the same
[17:40] <realtime-neil> CarlFK: you mean, in addition to the `s=http://_gateway:3003/` ?
[17:41] <realtime-neil> also, does anyone know if that `s=` variable is a shortened alias for something?
[17:41] <CarlFK> so.. I am aware there is a new installer, and looked at it a while ago... that's about all I know
[17:42] <realtime-neil> CarlFK: I tried to build the new installer (https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage) and got nowhere. What I could understand looked heavily dependent on running from a Ubuntu Production machine.
[17:50] <realtime-neil> CarlFK: the `url=` trick didn't work... qemu prints `/init: line 49: can't open /dev/sr0: No medium found`
[17:52] <realtime-neil> which makes sense, but I can't find that init script anywhere; the initrd inside the *.iso is literally empty except for an AMD blob.
[18:25] <CarlFK> realtime-neil: /dev/sr0 sounds like it is looking for a scsi (emulated) cdrom.. I forget what the R in SR stands for
[18:25] <CarlFK> but I am guessing it isn't related to the url=
[18:26] <realtime-neil> CarlFK: agreed --- but which script is reporting that error?
[18:26] <CarlFK> no idea - I have not done iso building in  over 5 years...
[18:26] <CarlFK> I do mostly pxe and a bit of usb with a RW fs
[18:27] <CarlFK> and I think I did 1 run with the new ubuntu installer in ... Feb maybe.    I liked that the yml file was much smaller, and netplan stuff was nice too
[18:27] <CarlFK> that is about all I can remember
[18:33] <realtime-neil> I do mostly pxe also, hence my motivation with this --- I don't want the installer to use local media, only the server I tell it to.
[18:35] <CarlFK> it sounds like you are working with an iso image?
[18:38] <CarlFK> heh - the only thing in current is legacy : http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/
[18:41] <CarlFK> welp... I poked around and found http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/uefi/linux-amd64/4.15.0-15.16/
[18:42] <CarlFK> maybe vmlinuz-4.15.0-15-generic.efi is what you want to pxe boot, but thats only because I can't find anyone else
[19:45] <realtime-neil> Okay, so here's something: the iso contains a 76 MiB initramfs
[19:47] <realtime-neil> But when I extract it, I only see a 30KiB kernel/x86/microcode/AuthenticAMD.bin
[19:48] <realtime-neil> Something created this cpio archive, but it wasn't cpio.
[22:10] <xnox> realtime-neil: what do you want to retrieve ove the network? just the preseeds user-metadata? or do a network boot, fetch iso from internet, but also fetch user-metadata from the internet?
[22:10] <xnox> realtime-neil:  our initrd have two early initrds, with microcode, and one late one. Use unmkinitramfs to unpack it.
[22:11] <xnox> realtime-neil:  unfortunately there is no easy way to repack all three back together (uncompressed cpio, uncompressed cpil, lz4 linux legacy compatible cpio), but you can just repack the main one if you don't care about microcode vulnerabilities during installation.
[22:12] <realtime-neil> xnox: I want to do a network boot, fetching both the iso and the user-metadata from a specific host; i.e., namely one I control.
[22:13] <realtime-neil> xnox: I think I've got a handle on the concatenated initrds (with a little help from `skipcpio`)
[22:13] <xnox> Cool
[22:14] <realtime-neil> xnox: I can just extract each initrd and create a new cpio archive from all the extracted contents, yes?
[22:17] <xnox> ip=dhcp iso=http://trahtahtah/urlto/server.iso ds=nocloud-net;s=http://URL/to/metadata-service
[22:18] <xnox> So if you can extract stock initrd & kernel, and boot them with above it will configure network, download / mount / boot iso, hit your network datasource, and use autoinstall user-data from there.
[22:18] <xnox> realtime-neil: why are you trying to repack initrd? Does it not do everything you need anyway?
[22:19] <xnox> When I say "extract initrd/kernel" I mean like mount .iso and copy them out from casper/ sir.
[22:19] <xnox> *dir
[22:19] <realtime-neil> xnox: at first I was trying to figure out where the init script was coming from ... that's how I went down the rabbit hole with skipcpio and unmkinitramfs
[22:21] <realtime-neil> If, on the off chance I couldn't get that kernel command line working (the one you just showed me), then I was resigned to changing scripts in the the initrd
[22:21] <xnox> But we divert boot to boot=Casper by default, hence most interesting stuff is in the scripts/Casper or some such
[22:21] <xnox> Man Casper is helpful too
[22:22] <xnox> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/en/man7/casper.7.html
[22:22] <xnox> However some pieces of that are incomplete and out of date. I really should fix it.
[22:23] <xnox> realtime-neil: it would help if you could check the autoinstall guide, and at the bottom there should be a forum link. It would be nice to hear which page you followed, and what pointers you needed to get "network boot done done"
[22:23] <xnox> realtime-neil: cause what you say, should be easy, and it feels like our documentation might be incomplete
[22:23] <realtime-neil> xnox: will do; aside: what do the `ds=` and `s=` vars stand for?
[22:23] <xnox> Or like not guiding the user to the quickest easiest way.
[22:23] <xnox> Ds is datasource, s is for seedfrom.
[22:24] <xnox> Some bootloader a have character limits hence it tries to support "short forms"
[22:24] <xnox> All of datasources are documented in cloud init.
[22:24] <realtime-neil> well, today is definitely the first time I've seen the `iso` kernel param used with `ds=` and/or `s=`.... maybe that deserves a mention?
[22:24] <xnox> https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources.html
[22:24] <xnox> Rea
[22:25] <xnox> realtime-neil: ack please comment in forum linked from bottom of the relevant autoinstall page!
[22:25] <xnox> I have to go, will get to it later.
[22:25] <realtime-neil> understood


[11:05] <rrva> I used "expect fork" wrongly and now after the service processes are all dead upstart start/stop just hangs. How to clear this state inside upstart without reboot?
[11:11] <rrva> I had to rename my service.conf to service1.conf to fix this
[11:25] <ion> rrva: https://github.com/ion1/workaround-upstart-snafu
[12:12] <rrva> ion: thanks. this is important enough to make a fix to avoid upstart confusion inside upstart


[02:09] <jthan> InHisName1: Progress?
[07:18] <InHisName> got unstuck a few hours later.  No Progress, no time till now
[07:19] <InHisName1> Ok, its seems working again
[09:26] <rmg51> Morning
[09:50] <lazyPower> \o
[12:16] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[13:51] <InHisName1> Morning everyone
[16:39] <InHisName> All so quiet since jthan left, unless you're back again.
[18:11] <InHisName> yawwwnn


[07:34] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:28] <explore> hi guys, during the Ubuntu Server 18.04LTS install I asked to use the entire drive together with LVM support.. but when the setup tool suggest the layout, i was kinda surprised at the setup suggested, it said / only has 4GB size.. although the rest of the 500GB is available as the PV (ubuntu-vg)
[11:28] <explore> so how do i go about loading up the goodies into my /home/username?
[11:29] <explore> and also load up big VMs into my /var (i think KVM dumps some big VM files under /var)
[11:29] <explore> is this something that's unique to Ubuntu Server and not seen in the Desktop?
[12:27] <lordievader> explore: Logical volumes can dynamically be grown. Ext4 support live enlargining, but does not support live shrinking. With that in mind it makes sense to be conservative initially and expand when needed, rather than giving some volume all the space and later realizing the space requirement is elsewhere.
[14:00] <itsame> greetings, is there a good way to execute a shell command if a usb device is connected
[14:21] <sdeziel> itsame: sounds like a job for udev
[14:22] <itsame> sdeziel: looks promising, thanks =)
[14:23] <sdeziel> itsame: if you need further help with this, I recommend hopping in #systemd where many are familiar with udev
[14:23] <itsame> will do, just in case, thanks again
[14:28] <sdeziel> you are welcome
[16:09] <explore> lordievader: ahhh i see
[16:09] <explore> lordievader: thank you so much i didn't realize
[16:09] <explore> hey guys i am worried that i don't understand the meaning of routable.d is anyone here availble for me to pick their brain?
[16:10] <explore> so i had to add a bunch of ip commands into routable.d but i saw someone online add a while loop to check that the nic card is actually available https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5z8pvCZ3Jh/
[16:10] <explore> but i just realized that he is using something called FreeNAS but I am using routable.d
[16:10] <explore> doesn't routable.d mean that eno1 is guaranteed to be up?
[16:10] <explore> so there's no need for a while loop?
[16:10] <explore> may i ask if this is indeed what routable.d mean?
[16:11] <explore> thanks ahead of time for any assistance!