[00:53] <zequence-work> johey: Ah, secure boot
[00:54] <zequence-work> Yeah, we don't have the signed stuff that Canonical does with -generic
[00:54] <zequence-work> not yet, anyway
[07:32] <johey> zequence_: Aaahhhh, so you KNEW there was another difference between generic and lowlatency... ;P
[07:35] <johey> smartboyhw: In case you missed it, and in case you're interested, I can successfully boot my machine with lowlatency. It has to do with secure boot. Had to disable that in BIOS.
[09:39] <smartboyhw> johey, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[09:39] <smartboyhw> No UEFI!!!!
[11:19] <zequence_> johey: I've never bought a machine with Windows preinstalled, so I don't usually get these problems myself ;)
[11:20] <zequence_> smartboyhw: UEFI is not the problem. It's a good replacement for BIOS
[11:22] <zequence_> and secure boot is not a problem either really
[12:16] <johey> I get jitter in playback even when avoiding xruns. Why can this be? Using USB2 audio interface.
[13:09] <zequence_> johey: This is not really the support channel, but what do you mean by jitter - not from a soft synth?
[13:11] <smartboyhw> zequence_, in a GNU/Linux F/OSS world, UEFI and Secure Boot IS a problem
[13:15] <johey> zequence_: The sound is clipping now and then. In particulary from soft synths yes...


[00:05] <momousta> blackboxsw_, This PR https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/529 is now ready for rereview.
[01:59] <blackboxsw_> momousta: excellent. I'll peek at it tomorrow
[02:02] <blackboxsw_> BTW on first glance. things look good. will peek in depth tomrrow morn
[03:41] <momousta> Great, thanks in advance.
[16:38] <blackboxsw_> momousta: if around. review complete on your PR with the expection of one question https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/529#pullrequestreview-471784769
[16:39] <blackboxsw_> and 2 minor inline comments left on your branch
[16:39] <momousta> Sure, I'll take a look. Thank
[17:00] <momousta> blackboxsw_, answered the question and incorporated the suggested changes
[18:06] <blackboxsw_> momousta: thanks. I'm giving this one more run in azure and will land it
[19:04] <blackboxsw_> merged https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/529 thanks momousta
[19:21] <blackboxsw_> falcojr: I just merged Odd_Bloke's xenial grub fix. looking over yours now
[19:21] <blackboxsw_> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/514
[19:27] <blackboxsw_> falcojr: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/537 landed
[19:29] <blackboxsw_> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/538 landed
[19:29] <blackboxsw_> so xenial bionic and focal in good shape
[19:29] <blackboxsw_> for grub-related issues
[20:08] <blackboxsw_> falcojr: I'm wrapping up review comments on compressed ud via cloud-init query branch https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/516
[20:09] <blackboxsw_> when that's landed, I think we are a "go" for cutting upstream release 20.3
[20:10] <blackboxsw_> rharper and minimal thanks for the work, review and landing Alpine linux support via https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/535
[20:10] <blackboxsw_> I don't *think* there were any other branches that we were waiting on for upstream release of cloud-init 20.3
[20:11] <blackboxsw_> if there are other in flight PRs that we expect to land before SRU, someone can bonk me over the head with a keyboard.. otherwise, by EOD today, I think we are ready to cut that release
[20:16] <rharper> blackboxsw_:  sure;  I don't know of anything else
[20:35] <blackboxsw_> thanks. ok awaiting CI on https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/516 falcojr, then we can cut a new upstream 20.3 I think
[20:35] <blackboxsw_> that should contain the handling of compressed userdata from cloud-init query (which breaks juju deployed cloudinit vms)
[20:36] <blackboxsw_> ... well, which breaks ubuntu-advantage-tools `ua attach` of juju deployed vms on clouds
[20:36] <blackboxsw_> to be more specific
[21:18] <blackboxsw_> ok one more branch that we are hoping to close out on for this upstream release.... if possible: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/516 needs an upstream reviewer +1 rharper or smoser if you guys get a chance. OddBloke is out for two weeks
[21:19] <blackboxsw_> I addressed all review comments
[21:19] <blackboxsw_> failure case is testable by juju deploy ubuntu on ec2 and trying to run 'cloud-init query --all'
[21:20] <blackboxsw_> github won't let me merge it as I haven't gotten an official upstream dev +1
[21:20] <rharper> blackboxsw_: lemme look
[21:20] <blackboxsw_> thanks ryan
[21:34] <rharper> blackboxsw_: reviewed; just a few suggestions on the docstrings;  and I don't have strong opinions on the pytest stuff so I hope suggestions/changes to that can be done separately if we land the PR today
[21:40] <blackboxsw_> thanks rharper I've addressed those docstring concerns, I think I was trying to document too much in the load_userdata function. That base64-encoding is what cloud-init utility function load_json does when it can't serialize binary data (before we ultimately output the JSON instance-data merged dictionary)
[21:40] <blackboxsw_> so that docstring didn't really belong in that load_userdata function
[21:41] <blackboxsw_> and I figured the unittest rework I'd have to talk to Odd_Bloke about in 2 weeks just to see if generally we can make the pytest fixture a bit more flexible for the use-case I have
[21:41] <rharper> ok
[21:44] <blackboxsw_> thanks again. I think we are awaiting feedback on one more Azure PR for boot timeouts, but that should wrap it for this upstream release
[21:50] <rharper> nice


[00:05] <alperkanat> hey there.. i want to migrate to bazaar from svn... but i can't import the code to a new bzr repository.. can someone please help me ?
[00:10] <alperkanat> any help for bzr-svn ?
[00:10] <alperkanat> it always keep looking for .bzr directory inside the subversion repository
[00:12] <cody-somerville> You can easily import from svn into bzr using launchpad
[00:14] <Pieter> .. is there a performance regression in 'bzr blame' from 1.5 to 1.7?
[00:19] <Pieter> anyway, http://pastie.org/280554
[00:21] <lifeless> Pieter: there could be; 1.6 made some significant refactoring of deepguts
[00:21] <Pieter> pretty serious difference, 8x slowdown
[00:21] <lifeless> Pieter: tried to keep everything balanced; may not have completely succeeded
[00:22] <lifeless> Pieter: oh, no, thats less likely
[00:22] <lifeless> Pieter: big project, deep history ?
[00:22] <Pieter> yes, samba
[00:23] <lifeless> wheee that sucks
[00:24] <lifeless> if you could file a bug, that would be great; I'm in the middle  of some social stuff atm
[00:24] <Pieter> let me try
[00:24] <Pieter> i'm not too fond of bug trackers :)
[00:25] <lifeless> you might like to try the btree based repo format (--development2) just landing in bzr.dev right now
[00:28] <Pieter> (bug 275303)
[00:29] <lifeless> Pieter: thank you
[00:36] <lifeless> Pieter: so the index that the current pack-* formats use is bisection-searched
[00:36] <lifeless> Pieter: and this due to a number of things isn't very good, even though its better than the pre-pack formats
[00:37] <lifeless> Pieter: the --development2 format, replaces the index layer with a B+Tree; and that is quite possibly going to be the thing that suddenly chews up huge amounts of time
[00:37] <lifeless> erm, fix the thing that chews up time
[00:37] <lifeless> (because, during 1.6/1.7 some heuristics were added that can cause a full index read (think table scan) unnecessarily, because its faster in some cases
[00:39] <Pieter> hmm, ok
[00:39] <Pieter> I'm not going to run a -dev version though ;) I'll wait a bit
[00:39] <lifeless> its landed I think, just checking the merge result
[00:40] <lifeless> sure; not expecting you to run one, just noting that you could give it a spin and see :P
[00:40] <lifeless> yes, its landed
[00:41] <bb-bzr> does anyone have a minute to answer some nubi questions with using bzr?
[00:43] <lifeless> sorry, just popping away
[00:43] <lifeless> ciao guys
[00:55] <bb-bzr> I had a question about branches in general... if I have a mirror branch that has recently pulled in changes from some feature branch foo; at which point foo will no longer be used, is there a reason that I shouldn't just remove the whole foo branch from the disk?
[01:16] <alecwh> Hello, I downloaded the package "bzr-gtk", and I don't see anything changed in the Nautilus File Browser. What am I supposed to see? I'm on Ubuntu Hardy.
[01:29] <spiv> bb-bzr: usually no important reason
[01:29] <bb-bzr> so there won't be any orphaned data in a repository if i nix a branch?
[01:29] <spiv> bb-bzr: as you can see with e.g. "bzr viz" all the revision data from foo is present in the mirror branch.
[01:30] <bb-bzr> yah I see that using qlog
[01:30] <bb-bzr> or viz
[01:30] <bb-bzr> so i guess if there is some case where a diverging set of branches would resolve down to a feature branch would be the only case where it would become an issue and in that case I could just figure something else out?
[01:31] <spiv> bb-bzr: so usually the only reason to keep the foo branch around on disk is if you want a convenient way to refer to those revisions later
[01:31] <bb-bzr> ahh
[01:31] <bb-bzr> i usually work on a defect or feature on its own branch, so have lots of branches that have short lifetimes
[01:32] <bb-bzr> I am used to just killing them once merged, but wanted to make sure this wouldn't be an issue in bazaar
[01:32] <spiv> Yeah, just remove them in that case.  That's what I do.
[01:32] <spiv> alecwh: I don't think the nautilus extension is enabled by default
[01:33] <alecwh> what would I see then? I don't notice any differences
[01:33] <bb-bzr> spriv: thanks much man, busy setting up bazaar for my company and writing a developers guide and wanted to make sure I was not recommending something goofy
[01:34] <spiv> alecwh: also, /usr/share/doc/bzr-gtk/README.Debian for the hardy version of bzr-gtk says that it isn't even packaged in that version.
[01:34] <spiv> alecwh: IIRC it adds emblems to versioned files & directories.
[01:34] <spiv> alecwh: http://bazaar-vcs.org/bzr-gtk links to some screenshots
[01:34] <alecwh> that's... it? and can I easily add support?
[01:36] <spiv> alecwh: the README that comes with bzr-gtk explains how you can enable the nautilus integration (although obviously not with the hardy packaging of it)
[01:37] <spiv> alecwh: in addition to emblems, I believe it adds options to the right-click context menus, e.g. "View Changes..."
[01:40] <spiv> alecwh: note that a lot of what bzr-gtk provides is accessible without nautilus, type "bzr help gtk"
[01:51] <alecwh> spiv: thanks a lot!
[02:29] <Odd_Bloke> http://amix.dk/blog/viewEntry/19350 looks interesting.
[02:30] <Odd_Bloke> Unfortunately, I'm using a LiveCD ATM, so can't really play with a bzr convertor.
[06:13] <chandlerc> jelmer: i have an odd crash report
[06:14] <chandlerc> but i can't really file a bug, because it fixed itself
[06:14] <chandlerc> and i am happilly using bzr-svn better now than ever before
[06:14] <AfC> "Self healing systems"
[06:14] <chandlerc> but in case someone else runs into it, I was using neon compiled against OpenSSL, and getting segfaults (with no python backtrace or anything) while pushing to a repository
[06:15] <chandlerc> another machine wasn't despite the same bzr, bzr-svn, and repository
[06:15] <chandlerc> the other machine was using gnutls, so i recompiled neon against it here, and everything works
[09:19] <_J_m_D_> any insights on bzr vs svn?
[09:21] <_doomster_> _J_m_D_: in what context?
[09:24] <_J_m_D_> looking for a general versioning system - not only for code but for all kinds of files. Will be used for online colaboration
[09:25] <_J_m_D_> many heavy files (3D-graphics) will be used
[09:28] <_doomster_> how about the intended users? BZR makes it easier to do detached development of private branches, with SVN you can also create and maintain branches, but you need to maintain them in the same repository, i.e. give everyone access.
[09:30] <_J_m_D_> I like the concept of bzr in that respect. Seems like each team member can do his own "local development" and synchronize to the central repository only "when needed". Is that correct?
[09:30] <_doomster_> right.
[09:30] <_J_m_D_> (I am a version vontrol noob)
[09:31] <_J_m_D_> at the moment IDE integration is not a big issue. But file browser integration (shell integration) for windows would be nice - like tortoise for svn.
[09:31] <_doomster_> tsvn is damn sweet, true.
[09:32] <_J_m_D_> anlything similar available for bzr?
[09:32] <_J_m_D_> anything*
[09:32] <_doomster_> not that I was aware of, but I'm a bzr noob myself. I'm an svn veteran though.
[09:32] <luks> http://bazaar-vcs.org/TortoiseBzr
[09:32] <luks> but obviously not as mature as tortoisesvn
[09:33] <_doomster_> :)
[09:33] <_J_m_D_> mmm, seems very nice
[09:34] <_J_m_D_> doomster - so what is your impression so far with bzr compaired to svn?
[09:35] <doomster> I'd rather not make a statement, because I really haven't used it enough.
[09:37] <_J_m_D_> is anyone aware of some issue that makes bzr inferior to svn?
[09:37] <doomster> As far as SVN is concerned, it is a very simple too without too many bells and wistles, but it is solid and does its job. I'm looking for the possibility to efficiently maintain detached branches, and BZR offers that. Further, there are many users to BZR, so it's rather well supported.
[09:37] <doomster> *tool
[09:39] <luks> partial checkouts are a reason why you might like svn more, but it depends on the project
[09:39] <_J_m_D_> from what I´ve learned bzr is more flexible as to the choice of available workflows compaired to svn, where as svn is more widespread and thus has more 3rd party tools. But I guess bzr is catching up, right?
[09:42] <doomster> actually there is one thing that might bite you with large binary files. When you prepare a directory for local work, you retrieve the current state via SVN but you retrieve the whole history via BZR, which takes significant amounts of time. I think (someone here will probably help out) that you can ignore parts of the history though, in order to preserve bandwidth.
[09:45] <_J_m_D_> regarding binary files - how are revisions made (whether svn or bzr)? Is the whole file saved again and again, or is some binary change-tracking-magic going on only storing incremental changes even to binary files?
[09:46] <Peng_> _J_m_D_: Most VCSes (including bzr and svn) use delta compression, but they also store full copies occasionally to improve performance.
[09:46] <Peng_> Bazaar's delta algorithm is line-based, isn't it?
[09:46] <luks> _J_m_D_: it uses text-based (splits the text to blocks on lines) delta compression
[09:47] <_J_m_D_> delta compression would then be like "store only the changed bytes of the file" or something similar?
[09:47] <luks> SVN uses a specialized binary delta compression for binary files
[09:47] <Peng_> _J_m_D_: Right.
[09:47] <luks> yes
[09:47] <_J_m_D_> oki - thnx
[10:10] <krokosjablik> Hello, question to bzr 1.3 (in hardy): the parent of my branch has been changed, how can I adjust my brunch? Or merge with the changed parent and just push?
[10:10] <doomster> brunch - mjam-mjam... ;)
[10:11] <krokosjablik> doomster: have I to look in man pages for the mjam-mjam option ;)
[10:22] <krokosjablik> ok, my solution was just to adjust the property "push_location"  in "<myBrunch>/.bzr/branch/branch.conf
[11:59] <awilkins> jelmer: ?
[12:59] <bob2> krokosjablik: 'bzr push --remember someurl' will work, too
[13:00] <krokosjablik> bob2: Many thanks!
[13:16] <jelmer> awilkins: hi
[13:17] <jelmer> chandlerc: please file a bug
[13:17] <jelmer> chandlerc: sorry, hadn't read the rest of your lines yet
[14:41] <LarstiQ> beuno: since the last merge of bzr.dev into nested-trees :)
[14:41] <LarstiQ> beuno: tree._iter_changes -> tree.iter_changes was easy enough to spot
[14:43] <LarstiQ> beuno: but tree.case_sensitive looks a bit harder, it only seems to be defined on working trees (which makes sense), I hope not to get into working vs revision problems there, will have to try.
[19:46] <LarstiQ> jfroy: I see some of your changes made it the bzr-svn 0.4 branch, how far away are you from having Keychain working?
[19:46] <jfroy> LarstiQ: it's working perfectly fine in bzr-svn
[19:47] <jfroy> The work is complete.
[19:47] <LarstiQ> cool
[19:47] <jfroy> It requires no modifications to svn either
[19:47] <jfroy> (and works fine with the version bundled with 10.5)
[19:48] <jfroy> I'm currently working on Keychain integration in bzr itself (lp:~jeanfrancois.roy/bzr/keychain-auth-rdonly)
[19:48] <jfroy> still at the experimental stage
[19:49] <LarstiQ> ooh, I should round up some of my mac users and point them to your work :)
[19:49] <jfroy> The branch works, but it's a huge ugly hack :p
[19:50] <jfroy> the work in bzr-svn was released with 0.4.12 (I think)
[19:50] <jfroy> .13 maybe
[19:50] <jelmer> 0.4.13
[19:50] <jfroy> thanks you :p
[19:50] <jfroy> *thank
[19:50] <jelmer> and thanks again for that work, btw ! :-)
[19:51] <jelmer> nabend LarstiQ
[19:52] <LarstiQ> navond jelmer :)
[19:52] <chandlerc> jelmer, was you're comment saying to not file the bug?
[19:52] <jelmer> chandlerc, yep
[19:52] <chandlerc> is this a known deficiency in the OpenSSL neon lib?
[19:53] <jelmer> chandlerc, filing a bug against neon may be a good idea though
[19:53] <chandlerc> fun times
[19:53] <jelmer> (not against bzr-svn though, which was what I was first thinking about)
[19:53] <chandlerc> ahh, yea, clearly not there
[19:54] <chandlerc> jsyk, the only remaining issue i have with actively using bzr-svn and googlecode is the 401 error not flipping from https to svn+https
[19:54] <chandlerc> i think i already filed a bug for that a while back
[19:54] <jelmer> chandlerc, yeah, that's been reassigned to bzr
[19:54] <jfroy> jelmer: oh, I noticed something odd while working on the keychain stuff in bzr. I did a merge or pull command from one bzr branch to another locally (2 local branches in a shared repo), and a file:/// svn RA connection was opened (or was tried), according to .bzr.log :p
[19:54] <chandlerc> but by specifying the svn+ i'm pulling and pushing and even merging conflicts across multiple machines now w/o issue! =]
[19:54] <jelmer> jfroy, it probably tried to open a file:// using svn
[19:54] <chandlerc> very happy about that
[19:54] <jelmer> chandlerc, cool
[19:55] <jelmer> jfroy, That's fine though - svn repositories can exist locally
[19:55] <jfroy> jelmer: yeah, not a big deal
[19:55] <jfroy> indeed
[20:25] <Kosjer> hi got a short question about the update from bzr 1.5 to bzr 1.7 on osx 10.5 . the installer is sayin the following warning note:  If you have installed a previous version of this bundle, please remove /usr/bin/bzr manually (the executable is located in /usr/local/bin/ since 1.4). so is it enough to manually delete in /usr/local/bin/  the bzr file? is that all? and then the updater could be run?
[20:27] <Kosjer> or have other files to be be removed too?
[20:30] <LarstiQ> Kosjer: I'm not certain, but I think that notice is to ensure there isn't an old leftover /usr/bin/bzr that comes earlier in the path than /usr/local/bin/bzr
[20:30] <LarstiQ> Kosjer: in which case, yes, that would be enough
[20:31] <Kosjer> larstiq ahhh true. i was unsure about the note. but i remember vaguely that on the switch to i guess 1.5 there was already the removal. tried it right now without any removal and it worked. updated nicely. all fine now :) thanks!
[20:32] <LarstiQ> Kosjer: good to hear
[20:51] <Kosjer> thanks and good night
[21:10] <alperkanat> is there authentication for bzr ? i want to setup a centralized server available over http using nginx..
[21:10] <alperkanat> so i guess i shall provide http authentication ?
[21:11] <jakobb> alperkanat: I know from experience at least that http authentication works
[21:11] <jakobb> you can even set a user/password in your personal rc files, such that you don't have to type them over and over again
[21:12] <alperkanat> is there some other choices like path authentication ? i may want to make some repos available to the public.. or read access is available to the public and write needs auth.. etc ?
[21:12] <alperkanat> jakobb: what rc files ?
[21:12] <jakobb> as long as you don't need redirection to get to the url, things should work fine
[21:13] <jakobb> alperkanat: the authentication.conf file in the .bazaar/ dir
[21:14] <alperkanat> hmm i haven't seen it in the docs
[21:14] <jakobb> it is definitely there, but I remember that you have to look hard for it
[21:15] <jakobb> It don't remember all the details, because I use hg nowadays mostly :P
[21:17] <jakobb> alperkanat: http://tinyurl.com/4zl6ae
[21:18] <alperkanat> jakobb: thanks
[22:30] <lifeless> moin
[22:31] <funkyHat> Where is the upload location for upload stored?
[22:32] <funkyHat> It keeps trying to upload to the old location although I've manually told it to upload to a new location
[22:34] <james_w> funkyHat: did you use --remember?
[22:49] <funkyHat> ah, I feel silly now :)
[22:50] <funkyHat> thanks


[09:52] <amonkey> bob2, mplyaer complains about 400:bad request but i know the server is working cuz a winsows based install of wmp can stream it. but curiously not mpc.
[09:52] <zenlunatic> anyone using breezy powepc?
[09:52] <jakedahn> bob2:ok well how do i do it?
[09:52] <jjazz_> tech support can almost definitely do it
[09:52] <zenlunatic> should i wait for breezy to go official and stick with hoary or should i go for breezy now?
[09:52] <bob2> jakedahn: not simply
[09:52] <njs12345> jakedahn: it's quite a difficult thing to do, really ;)
[09:53] <bob2> zenlunatic: do yo ucare about binary X drivers?
[09:53] <benplaut> !codecs
[09:53] <ubotu> from memory, codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:53] <bob2> zenlunatic: oh, ppc,
[09:53] <onkarshinde> goodbye everybody. Gooing to bed.
[09:53] <benplaut> !botsnack
[09:53] <ubotu> :)
[09:53] <jakedahn> Is it like making the kernel for gentoo?
[09:53] <elvirolo> oh i'm getting fed up, it still doesn't work
[09:53] <bob2> zenlunatic: should be fine; do files bugs if you find them
[09:53] <zenlunatic> bob2: no i don't use non-free software
[09:53] <jjazz_> onkarshinde, peace
[09:53] <bob2> jakedahn: a little
[09:53] <njs12345> maybe you could file a bug for it
[09:53] <elvirolo> i mean why doesn't ubuntu do that *by default* ??
[09:53] <jakedahn> bob2 is it easier? because ive done that before
[09:54] <bob2> jakedahn: I have never compiled a kernel on gentoo
[09:54] <jakedahn> aye
[09:54] <bob2> elvirolo: do what by default?
[09:54] <zenlunatic> bob2 will i be able to upgrade to breezy release from the testing breezy or whatever its called?
[09:54] <durt> thanks skaller it works :)
[09:54] <bob2> zenlunatic: of course
[09:54] <elvirolo> bob2, activate my wifi network interface at boot time
[09:54] <zenlunatic> bob2 apt-get dist-upgrade?
[09:54] <jjazz_> zenlunatic, that's kinda the whole point  :)
[09:54] <ntumba> does anybody know how to make language packs work? I installed the french pack using synapic but when I log in with french the system says it doesn't exists and reverts to standard english language
[09:54] <njs12345> jakedahn: There are some instructions here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[09:54] <bob2> jakedahn: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.12 ; cd /usr/src, unpack it ; apply that patch ; cd to source dir ; make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image
[09:55] <skaller> I quoted from Knuth  :)
[09:55] <jakedahn> ok
[09:55] <bob2> zenlunatic: or aptitude or synaptic, yes
[09:55] <bob2> adios, y'all
[09:55] <jjazz_> bob2, peace
[09:55] <skaller> thx bob2!!!
[09:56] <Octane> bob2 is the man
[09:56] <jakedahn> thx for your help
[09:56] <Leshrac> adios ;)
[09:56] <patfm> seeya bob2
[09:56] <njs12345> bob2: good to talk to you
[09:56] <zenlunatic> will the auto updater upgrade from the testing breezy to stable breezy?
[09:56] <Leshrac> ok guys, I have got this wlan card:
[09:57] <Leshrac> MArvell Technology Group LTd. Marvell W8300 802.11
[09:57] <Leshrac> how do I get it t work?
[09:58] <clarknova> yeah, someone tell Leshrac how to get his lan card to work. i need to know this too.
[09:58] <zenlunatic> :-D
[10:01] <Alex_BO> HELLO! I have to modify the file /etc/conf.module, but i can't find it.where is it in ubuntu?
[10:01] <reffie> anyone with ubuntu on a powerbook/
[10:02] <amonkey> just a little update if anyone cares, you can't stream wm9, it has to be in wm8 format, and even though it appears to only work in vlc.
[10:02] <benplaut> [breezy]  I followed normal instructions to enable codecs, but in every media player, the size of the box is correct, the length is correct, sound works, but no video
[10:02] <robertj> Alex: I think your looking for /etc/modules.conf
[10:02] <benplaut> any suggestions?
[10:02] <Alex_BO> robertj, tnks
[10:02] <durt> alex, i think your looking for /etc/modules
[10:02] <robertj> which basically says "edit /etc/modutils and then run update-modules"
[10:03] <falconX> I've got an error with dual screens in Ubuntu, using TwinView
[10:03] <Alex_BO> robertj, i can't find it!
[10:03] <skaller> skaller@rosella:/work/felix/flx$ cat /etc/modules
[10:03] <skaller> # /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time.
[10:03] <skaller> ...
[10:03] <patfm> hope this isn't annoying to ask one more time, but anyone think this partition table is problematic before i write it: http://ruphus.com/stash/partitions.jpg
[10:04] <Alex_BO> skaller, okey. i have found it
[10:04] <skaller> patfm .. looks ok to me
[10:04] <robertj> hrmm, I've got both
[10:04] <robzon> patfm: yeah, it's ok
[10:04] <skaller> 80 gig disk?
[10:05] <Leshrac> installing grub has broken my WinXP installation, is there anything I can do to fix it?
[10:05] <patfm> skaller: yeah
[10:05] <zenlunatic> how do u upgrade to breezy from hoary?
[10:05] <robzon> zenlunatic: insert breezy CD while running hoary
[10:05] <durt> change your repos, then apt-get distupgrade
[10:05] <robzon> zenlunatic: or upgrade directly from repositories... but I find upgrading from CD easier
[10:05] <M3hdi> robzon:breezy is available as live CD only
[10:06] <falconX> I keep getting this: (II) NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s): CRT-0, CRT-1
[10:06] <falconX> (WW) NVIDIA(0): Multiple displays connected, but only one display allowed;
[10:06] <benplaut> M3hdi: no it isn't...
[10:06] <zenlunatic> hm... i think i might just wait for breezy release and do fresh install
[10:06] <robzon> M3hdi: uh, so how did I get to download breezy install CD? :)
[10:06] <zenlunatic> M3hdi: yeah its not
[10:06] <M3hdi> robzon:donu
[10:06] <robertj> Does the liveCD include Ubuntu Express yet?
[10:06] <patfm> skaller: look sensible to you?
[10:06] <skaller> yup, looks fine
[10:07] <M3hdi> robzon:sorry it's preview release
[10:07] <skaller> partition is personal thing: I have a few more, I have one for my work so I don't lose it when I screw up the OS
[10:07] <patfm> okay. /me lights rocket
[10:07] <robzon> zenlunatic: I upgraded from CD and everything went smoothly
[10:07] <zenlunatic> robertj: whats ubuntu express?
[10:07] <M3hdi> robzon:you can't just upgrade with apt ?
[10:07] <Alex_BO> IS THERE anybody how can help me to install irda connection?
[10:08] <tscherler> hi all
[10:08] <robertj> zenulunatic: GUI installer
[10:08] <zenlunatic> robzon: its just that i don't have a real compelling reason to need breezy
[10:08] <MrFaber> Is it possible that Ubuntu has now two screensavers?
[10:08] <robzon> M3hdi: you can, but I didn't want to wait for apt to download all the stuff
[10:08] <MrFaber> under Preferences are two different ones
[10:08] <zenlunatic> MrFaber: it comes with many screensavers
[10:08] <M3hdi> robzon:ok tnx
[10:08] <mae> OMG
[10:08] <MrFaber> zenlunatic, thanks, how can I use normal xscreensaver
[10:09] <robertj> I'm holding out, this might be the first time I make it all the way to stable release without dist-upgrading
[10:09] <mae> Pacman ss is sweet!
[10:09] <zenlunatic> MrFaber: i would probably start with man pages
[10:09] <tscherler> my laptop do not read the install cd
[10:09] <MrFaber> the screensaver daemon isn't started if I start it
[10:09] <MrFaber> man pages of screensaver?
[10:09] <zenlunatic> robertj: plus i installed a lot of crap i don't need just to test some different software i really just want to reinstall to get rid of it all
[10:09] <tscherler> everztime I come to "Install the base system" it crashed saying that there is no cd
[10:10] <Zatoichi> damn power companies
[10:10] <tscherler> how can install  from a server?
[10:17] <nyktovus> ok
[10:18] <nyktovus> i was aking about getting mplayer
[10:18] <nyktovus> but i dont know what repositories to use
[10:18] <OceanNoPontos> hello! anyone here upgraded the repository from hoary to breeze to get gnome 2.12?
[10:18] <OceanNoPontos> it went all well to me, except for an annoying bug on the panel...
[10:18] <nyktovus> i just wanna watch movies in firefox
[10:18] <OceanNoPontos> I can't add new applets 'cause it crashes. :)
[10:19] <OceanNoPontos> anyone here experienced the same problem?
[10:19] <] N[ame> ive installed breezy 2x but have reverted back to hoary till breezy goes gold
[10:19] <athlon>  /j #methlabs
[10:19] <] N[ame> to many issues
[10:19] <nyktovus> how can i tell if i'm using hoary or warty?
[10:20] <] N[ame> look and see what repositories you are using
[10:20] <nyktovus> thats the issue.. i dont know what repositories to use
[10:20] <OceanNoPontos> I thought on using Enlightenment as a window manager, but got no clue on setting that on gnome.
[10:21] <floppyears> hi
[10:21] <] N[ame> nyktovus, open update manager and go into settings it will tell you what repositories you are using
[10:21] <OceanNoPontos> the key that used to set that says to be deprecated from gnome 2.12 on... so I just wanted to drop metacity and stay with enlightenment.
[10:21] <floppyears> how can I run samba so that it will remount my shares ?
[10:21] <nyktovus> i wanna get mplayer, i dont know what repositories to use.. i need to know what version of ubuntu i'm running so i can find the right repositories.. or am i totally backwards?
[10:21] <dougsk> nyktovus, cat /etc/issue
[10:21] <nyktovus> i dont have an update manager
[10:21] <] N[ame> you dont
[10:22] <] N[ame> its in system\administration
[10:22] <dougsk> !restrictedformats
[10:22] <ubotu> rumour has it, restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[10:22] <jatos> hi
[10:22] <nyktovus> ubuntu 4.10 .. warty
[10:22] <nyktovus> thankx doug
[10:22] <floppyears> anybody know how to remount samba mounts ?
[10:22] <dougsk> nyktovus, try reading the wiki entry for restricted formats -- np
[10:23] <jatos> is breezy particuarly stable?
[10:23] <OceanNoPontos> glloppy: it should be enough to add them to fstab, no?
[10:23] <nyktovus> i did.
[10:23] <dougsk> jatos, beats me -- afaik -- from reading the lists, it's a lot more stable than it was
[10:23] <test34-> how do I add drm module for xorg ? add it in the module section of xorg.conf ?
[10:23] <nyktovus> i tried working with it.. but i cant figure out what repositores to use
[10:23] <benplaut> [breezy]  I followed normal instructions to enable codecs, but in every media player, the size of the box is correct, the length is correct, sound works, but no video
[10:23] <] N[ame> jatos, not for me, it was fast but unstable
[10:23] <] N[ame> nautilus kept crashing
[10:24] <jatos> I want to make sure that other people find it stable before I go get it
[10:24] <jatos> ah
[10:24] <OceanNoPontos> no one could help me with the enlightenment thing? :(
[10:24] <jatos> well I am using kde....
[10:24] <dougsk> nyktovus, being on warty, hmm, not sure if the repos are still open, I imagine they are, I'll take a look
[10:24] <] N[ame> every time I accessed my usb drives nautilus crashed
[10:24] <jatos> I think the warty, hoary and breezy repos's are all still open
[10:24] <OceanNoPontos> Name: you have ***replaced*** ***all*** of your repositories with breezy?
[10:25] <] N[ame> no
[10:25] <] N[ame> I clean installed breezy
[10:25] <__filip_> what does i need to look at an .wmv movie ?
[10:25] <] N[ame> but reinstalled hoary
[10:25] <jatos> btw, ] n[ame, why don't you run apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:25] <] N[ame> because breezy was to unstable
[10:25] <jatos> get hoary, thats stable
[10:25] <] N[ame> hoary is wicked stable
[10:25] <Hoxzer> if I just installed software with wine to C driver where should it be?
[10:25] <JDahl> __filip_, you can use many programs, eg. mplayer
[10:26] <] N[ame> ill wait till breezy goes final
[10:26] <jatos> so why just upgrade to hoary and ditch warty
[10:26] <__filip_> is it no codec i need?
[10:26] <solidgroove> i was trying to load adobe font with cedega I changed it to another font and everything works good
[10:26] <jatos> ok
[10:26] <dougsk> nyktovus, they appear to work, so you'll need to change hoary to warty and that should work
[10:26] <OceanNoPontos> what I wanted the most was the new features of nautilus, now I can't go back to 2.10 or I'll hate it, he he he
[10:26] <kevogod> What's a good email client for use with an Exchange server? (Evolution crashes on me all the time.)
[10:26] <] N[ame> I gotta say I liked what I saw in breezy
[10:26] <] N[ame> just waiting till its stable now
[10:26] <OceanNoPontos> kevogod: have you tried mozilla thunderbird/
[10:27] <test34-> how can you open files with admin privilages in a text editor for example ?
[10:27] <OceanNoPontos> test34: sudo
[10:27] <test34-> privileges..
[10:27] <] N[ame> test34-, sudo gedit
[10:27] <jatos> has breezy got much new for KDE users?
[10:27] <OceanNoPontos> or gksu gedit
[10:27] <OceanNoPontos> the cute way. :)
[10:27] <kevogod> OceanNoPontos, Does it integrate with an Exchange server well?
[10:27] <test34-> thanks name
[10:27] <] N[ame> kevogod, no
[10:27] <] N[ame> thunderbird does not support exchange
[10:27] <] N[ame> not that I can see
[10:28] <kevogod> That is what I thought as my parents use it on their Windows machine.
[10:28] <] N[ame> only pop and imap
[10:28] <OceanNoPontos> test34: that's googling:
[10:28] <OceanNoPontos> MozillaNews - Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 Getting Started Guide - [ Traduzir esta pgina ]
[10:28] <OceanNoPontos> Mozilla Thunderbird works very well with MS Exchange, both receiving and sending.
[10:28] <] N[ame> OceanNoPontos, is there a howto to set it up
[10:28] <OceanNoPontos> kevogod, name: or they're lying on us. :)
[10:29] <] N[ame> I think they are lying
[10:29] <] N[ame> lol
[10:29] <windex> thunderbird supports exchange via imap, ] N[ame
[10:29] <OceanNoPontos> see that to configure it:
[10:29] <OceanNoPontos> http://www.lancs.ac.uk/iss/ras/thunderbird.htm
[10:29] <windex> it does not support calandar junk, among other things.
[10:29] <OceanNoPontos> there's a topic:
[10:29] <OceanNoPontos> Configuring an Existing Copy Thunderbird to read University Exchange Email
[10:29] <OceanNoPontos> there is an example there.
[10:29] <kevogod> Does it do more than just Email?
[10:29] <windex> if you want more complete exchange integration you're kind of forced to use evolution
[10:29] <kevogod> Calander, Tasklist, Exchange contacts?
[10:30] <OceanNoPontos> kevogod: no, mozilla has split their apps.
[10:30] <OceanNoPontos> Calendar and tasklist no.
[10:30] <kevogod> I realize Sunbird is the Calander application.
[10:30] <OceanNoPontos> just mail.
[10:30] <OceanNoPontos> kevogod: yep, you're right.
[10:30] <Davey|Laptop> kevogod, might try Evolution?
[10:30] <windex> kevogod, sunbird dosen't work with exchange, either
[10:30] <] N[ame> evolution works well with exchange
[10:30] <kevogod> I already pointed out that Evolution crashes like 80% of the time for me.
[10:30] <windex> evolution however is designed to replace outlook and has an outlook interface
[10:30] <OceanNoPontos> but sunbird I think is very new...
[10:30] <kevogod> It is very unstable.
[10:30] <Davey|Laptop> dammit, for a minute there I was dreaming I was back on Ubuntu :(
[10:31] <windex> kevogod, dunno why.
[10:31] <] N[ame> ive had no issues with evo and exchange
[10:31] <OceanNoPontos> kevogod: my evolution is just "lazy" or "not so fast"...
[10:31] <OceanNoPontos> and I took the risk on getting it from breezy...
[10:31] <odatubuntu> hello everyone
[10:31] <sorush20> how do I get evolution to download the images with the email.. just like thunderbird
[10:31] <OceanNoPontos> what kind of problems are you facing?
[10:31] <windex> kevogod, i only stopped using evolution because it frequently wouldn't update my imap folders, it would say it was, but i'd re-open evolution, and a bunch of stuff was still marked as new
[10:31] <odatubuntu> does anyone know how i can setup my gamepad for soldiers of fortune?
[10:32] <OceanNoPontos> except on that it is rock solid, even from breezy. :)
[10:32] <OceanNoPontos> sorush20, anyone using enlightenment with gnome here?
[10:32] <kevogod> I am using Exchange protocol rather than Imap.
[10:32] <OceanNoPontos> I mean, so
[10:33] <OceanNoPontos> I hate xchat habit to complete nicks, he he h
[10:33] <] N[ame> im using openbox as metacity is uber slow
[10:33] <Hoxzer> aaargh what the fuck
[10:33] <jatos> btw does anyone have any idea why I can't update my shipit info and order some more cd's?
[10:33] <Hoxzer> nobody is listening
[10:33] <Hoxzer> me
[10:33] <kevogod> OceanNoPontos, Only occurs when you tab complete it.
[10:33] <OceanNoPontos> name: how did you do that?
[10:33] <jatos> metacity sucks big time if you ask me
[10:33] <OceanNoPontos> (Using openbox)
[10:34] <] N[ame> I followed the guide
[10:34] <] N[ame> it was wicked eazy
[10:34] <OceanNoPontos> name: where could I find it, dude?
[10:34] <] N[ame> ill get the link
[10:34] <zenlunatic> you can't use openbox and metacity
[10:34] <OceanNoPontos> name: thanks
[10:34] <odatubuntu> does anyone know how i can setup my gamepad for soldiers of fortune?
[10:35] <] N[ame> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34239&highlight=openbox+themes
[10:35] <OceanNoPontos> zenlunatic: he replaced metacity with openbox... ;)
[10:35] <OceanNoPontos> name: thanks a lot.
[10:35] <benplaut> [breezy]  I followed normal instructions to enable codecs, but in every media player, the size of the box is correct, the length is correct, sound works, but no video
[10:35] <] N[ame> no problem
[10:35] <] N[ame> it does not work in breezy
[10:35] <] N[ame> only hoary
[10:35] <CoryK> to upgrade to breezy from 4.10 (warty?) do i just follow the steps on the wiki page, or is it a little more complicated (i remember last time i upgraded to a different version it required changing some config options...)
[10:36] <robzon> hmm there's no transcode for 64-bit processors? :/
[10:36] <Hoxzer> somebody help me with wine
[10:36] <] N[ame> but breezy is fast even with metacity
[10:36] <Hoxzer> why there is no starter guide :D
[10:36] <robzon> Hoxzer: starter guide? just open it up, drink and enjoy ;]
[10:36] <Hoxzer> robzon: :D
[10:37] <Hoxzer> software
[10:37] <JDahl> Hoxzer, but there is starter guide! man pages
[10:37] <Hoxzer> JDahl: I dont see any
[10:37] <Octane> why the hell does a kubuntu breezy aptitude dist-upgrade want to install qt4 packages?
[10:37] <Octane> anyone have a clue?
[10:37] <CoryK> because kde is built on qt...
[10:37] <] N[ame> Octane, there may be some software that has dependancies
[10:38] <kevogod> Why does aptitude not have Super Cow Powers?
[10:38] <Octane> kevogod: sure it does
[10:38] <windex> kevogod, apt-get moo
[10:38] <windex> kevogod, aptitude moo
[10:38] <CrTr> How to open .chm ?
[10:38] <] N[ame> apt-get ftw
[10:38] <kevogod> "There are no Easter Eggs in this program."
[10:38] <CrTr> is that 4 me ?
[10:39] <Hoxzer> I mean I install it
[10:39] <Hoxzer> ....
[10:39] <Hoxzer> it is there
[10:39] <Hoxzer> but I dunno how to run it
[10:39] <Octane> frigggin openoffice.org2 aint working
[10:39] <robzon> Hoxzer: wine program.exe :)
[10:39] <kevogod> I wish they would just release it. :-)
[10:39] <nyktovus> well i cant install mplayer.. its in the repository list.. but it says there are a bunch of dependencies that cannot be installed?
[10:40] <Octane> why has there not been a good apt-get gui for KDE
[10:40] <Hoxzer> Robzon: how do I know the name of the program :E
[10:40] <Octane> kynaptic is such a pile of crapola
[10:40] <CrTr> How to open .chm ?
[10:40] <Hoxzer> I installed it to C driver
[10:40] <OceanNoPontos> your help has helped me to find how to do gnome + enlightenment. Here's the link if anyone interested:
[10:40] <OceanNoPontos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54476&highlight=enlightenment+gnome
[10:40] <Octane> CrTr: search kde-apps.org
[10:40] <] N[ame> nyktovus, are you using breezy or hoary
[10:40] <Hoxzer> or wine's C driver
[10:40] <kevogod> OpenOffice.org needs to work on their preferences dialog.
[10:40] <Hoxzer> and Now I dont see it
[10:40] <jatos> btw, if you using wine you may want to try crossover office, its a LOT faster
[10:40] <Hoxzer> anywhere
[10:40] <Hoxzer> I dunno where is that C driver
[10:40] <robzon> Hoxzer: wine's C drive is somewhere in ~/.wine/
[10:41] <Hoxzer> robzon: and where is that wine folder?
[10:41] <robzon> Hoxzer: in your home directory
[10:41] <jjazz_> Hoxzer, locate .wine
[10:41] <Hoxzer> thx finaly :D
[10:41] <] N[ame> how do you view . files
[10:41] <odatubuntu> kevogod: sup man
[10:41] <robzon> Hoxzer: np.
[10:41] <] N[ame> I can see them in term but not in nautilus
[10:41] <robzon> ] N[ame: ctrl+h
[10:42] <] N[ame> thanks
[10:42] <robzon> np
[10:42] <nyktovus> warty
[10:42] <Octane> when I do ldd for an app, I get libz.so.1 => not found... but when i do whereis libz.so.1 it says its in /usr/lib/
[10:42] <] N[ame> sweeet
[10:42] <Octane> any idea whats going on
[10:42] <] N[ame> I spent an hour yesterday trying to see them damn files
[10:42] <] N[ame> lol
[10:43] <robzon> ] N[ame: heh :) in View menu there is "Show hidden files" :P
[10:43] <benplaut> who here is using breezy?
[10:43] <robzon> benplaut: me
[10:43] <Octane> half of us
[10:43] <OceanNoPontos> I'll logout and come back soon... let's see if it worked.
[10:43] <benplaut> do you have multimedia video codecs working?
[10:43] <CoryK> how do i upgrade from warty to breezy?
[10:44] <benplaut> wow... a full half by now...
[10:44] <benplaut> amazing
[10:44] <Octane> anyonw know what package installs libz.so.1?
[10:44] <benplaut> CoryK: not reccommended
[10:44] <robzon> Octane: try sudo ldconfig, and if it doesn't help try adding /usr/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf and running sudo ldconfig
[10:44] <Octane> robzon: thanks i already tried running ldconfig
[10:44] <CoryK> benplaut why not?
[10:44] <windex> Octane, zlib1g / zlib1g-dev ?
[10:44] <benplaut> it's a huge update
[10:44] <Octane> windex: thanks
[10:45] <benplaut> try warty to hoary, then hoar to breezy
[10:45] <benplaut> might work better
[10:45] <] N[ame> robzon,  I tried that it did not work
[10:45] <] N[ame> hrmm
[10:45] <] N[ame> the cntrl h did
[10:45] <sorush20> how do I get images to load in evoloution
[10:45] <SuperID> I'm trying to get my wireless working.  I bought a new access point and I can't get the card that worked with the old access point to associate w/ the new access point.  I think I need to edit the config file and update the channel.   Anyone know where that config file is?
[10:45] <robzon> ] N[ame: hmm that must be a bug, cause ctrl+h is just the shortcut for this :/
[10:46] <] N[ame> yeah
[10:46] <Octane> reinstalling zlib1g didnt work and neither did adding /usr/lib to ld.so.conf & running ldconfig again
[10:46] <] N[ame> I can live with it though as long as control h works
[10:46] <Octane> damn openoffice2!
[10:46] <CoryK> would upgrading from hoary to breezy through Synaptic be similar to upgrading from warty to hoary through Synaptic?
[10:47] <hondje> CoryK: It's kinda buggy right now, doing that
[10:47] <jims_> Am I in?
[10:47] <Keithg> yes
[10:47] <robzon> sorush20: in preferences, mail settings, html mail, and there you can choose when to load images
[10:47] <] N[ame> a lot of people having issues with dist-upgrade
[10:48] <jims_> Finally, getting registered was a bit obtuse for a newbie...
[10:48] <serfurj> why does ubuntu deviate from accepted linux standards?  example: http://vinelinux.org/fsstnd-1.2.txt
[10:49] <windex> serfurj, huh?
[10:49] <robzon> serfurj: 404 not found
[10:49] <windex> serfurj, for one thing, that document is from 1995. in linux terms, it might as well be 1895.
[10:50] <serfurj> windex: there's a 2.0 version
[10:50] <] N[ame> is it me or does totem suck at playing files
[10:50] <] N[ame> its very choppy
[10:50] <robzon> serfurj: and yeah, in 2.0 for example, mounting additional partitions was moved from /mnt to /media and /services was added I think...
[10:50] <pc22> i just upgraded but now i dont have internet
[10:50] <pc22> pc22 what could be wrong
[10:50] <jims_> I am having some difficulty getting Mplayer to work within Fire-fox.  When selecting a video clip, the Mplayer window opens, it shows 'loading buffer', then says 'Playing', but it is a blank window.  I have check Mplayer.conf, an the default is 'vx'.  Any suggestions?
[10:50] <erUSUL> serfurj: no linux dsitributin is 100% LSB compliant. In debian there are packages that LSBify things but still....
[10:50] <robzon> ] N[ame: try installing totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer
[10:51] <pc22> i just upgraded to breezy, but now i dont have internet, what could be wrong
[10:51] <robzon> pc22: what kind of connection?
[10:51] <] N[ame> robzon, I just compiled mplayer it works just spiffy after turning on dma for the dvd drive
[10:51] <pc22> dsl
[10:51] <serfurj> erUSUL: robzon: the symbolic links in / are especially annoying
[10:51] <pc22> lan
[10:51] <CoryK> well i'm off to do some house cleaning while warty finishes installing
[10:52] <] N[ame> CoryK, why warty thats an old release
[10:52] <windex> serfurj, they only exist to simply things for people who are used to working another way.
[10:52] <CoryK> ] N[ame because i have the cds for it
[10:52] <jjazz_> pc22 do you get your ip by dhcp from a router?
[10:52] <] N[ame> ahh
[10:52] <pc22> dhcp by router
[10:52] <nitinshantharam> can anyone help me setup a mailserver - im having a lot of problems getting it to work with virtual users
[10:52] <] N[ame> if you can try hoary its solid
[10:52] <CoryK> i was going to try obsd, but i don't know anyone that's succesfully dual-booted it with windows xp
[10:52] <robzon> serfurj: I have only 2 links, one for cdrom which isn't neccessary, and other is lib -> lib64 which I accept as it's for architecture stuff... it's not so bad
[10:53] <CoryK> ] N[ame i know hoary's solid, i used it while it was still developmental
[10:53] <CoryK> i just only have a warty cd, and i don't feel like downloading any other cds
[10:53] <robzon> pc22: hmm there should be no problem with DHCP... :/ try reactivating/reconfiguring the interface maybe..
[10:53] <pc22> jjazz_, what do i do?
[10:53] <serfurj> robzon: i have links for initrd.img, vmlinuz, and cdrom
[10:53] <serfurj> can they be deleted?
[10:54] <njs12345> nitinshantharam: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ is a pretty good tutorial
[10:54] <pc22> robzon, im new how do i do that?
[10:54] <robzon> serfurj: hmm.. I don't :P
[10:54] <] N[ame> hoary was my first distro since redhat 8 and gotta say it pwns
[10:54] <CoryK> :|
[10:54] <jjazz_> pc22, how are you normally connected to the internet?
[10:54] <CoryK> warty uses xfree86 doesn't it
[10:54] <] N[ame> no idea
[10:54] <crimsun> CoryK: yes
[10:55] <pc22> router lan
[10:55] <crimsun> CoryK: though it's much closer to X.Org than XFree86
[10:55] <] N[ame> hoary uses xorg dont it
[10:55] <pc22> dhcp
[10:55] <jims_> Anyone able to help a 'noob' get Mplayer to work within Fire-Fox?
[10:55] <crimsun> ] N[ame: yes
[10:55] <CoryK> oh well i've made the upgrade before
[10:55] <jjazz_> pc22, look in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:55] <robzon> pc22: System/Administration/Network is the graphical way...
[10:56] <crimsun> jims_: did you install mozilla-mplayer?
[10:56] <jjazz_> pc22, well, first try the easy way:  sudo ifdowth eth0; sudo ifup eth0
[10:56] <jjazz_> robzon, there's a graphical way?
[10:56] <robzon> jjazz_: yup :)
[10:56] <Keithg> horray!
[10:57] <jjazz_> robzon, I never noticed it.  Good to know.
[10:57] <CrTr> how to open .chm ??
[10:57] <moparfan90> hello everyone im back
[10:57] <nyktovus> i am installing mozilla-mplayer right now too.. and having massive issues
[10:57] <robzon> jjazz_: yeah, it's good to know, cause sometimes it's hard to explain terminal commands to newbies.. especially on phone ;)
[10:57] <] N[ame> now if I can only get the devs to may a gui interface for adding a machine to a ADS domain
[10:57] <moparfan90> bob2, are you there?
[10:58] <nyktovus> it doesnt seem to play shit.
[10:58] <Octane> anyone else here have a problem running openoffice2
[10:58] <Octane> breezy
[10:58] <jims_> crimsun: Sure... I installed it with codecs and changed default to xv per web instructions...
[10:58] <crimsun> Octane: works fine here.
[10:58] <njs12345> moparfan90: he left a while ago ;)
[10:58] <moparfan90> oo
[10:58] <robzon> Octane: runs flawlessly here...
[10:58] <Keithg> can someone tell me what they like about ubuntu, so far ive been using mandrake 10.1 community and im wanting to try out another distro so ive downloaded the ubuntu iso
[10:59] <robzon> Keithg: it just works
[10:59] <moparfan90> i am trying to make ubuntu faster does anyone have any suggestions? anything is ok
[10:59] <pc22> robzon, i went there and nic card is not the same
[10:59] <njs12345> moparfan90: faster in what way? faster boot? faster loading of apps? faster scrolling?
[10:59] <crimsun> Keithg: I think you'll just have to try it. If you're hesitant about installing it, download the live cd and boot from it.
[10:59] <njs12345> faster is entirely subjective
[10:59] <moparfan90> everything
[11:00] <nyktovus> how do you change the default player for video files..
[11:00] <pc22> robzon, how do i change it since its not listed now
[11:00] <moparfan90> i really want a faster boot but anythin to make it faster is good
[11:00] <Keithg> crimsun: ive got a second hard drive in here that i use for linux so no worries
[11:00] <nyktovus> no files seem to play anymore
[11:00] <robzon> Keithg: *easy* out-of-box solutions for most tasks... like cdrecording, movie playback, web browsing/mail.. it's much simpler than other distros I've used
[11:00] <Octane> crimsun or robzon mind pastebinning the result of ldd /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/soffice.bin
[11:00] <] N[ame> so whats the easiest way to change totem gstreamer to totem x
[11:00] <Keithg> robzon: yeah im looking for simplicity
[11:00] <robzon> Octane: I get /usr/bin/ldd: line 95: lddlibc4: command not found :/
[11:01] <Octane> i get libz.so.1 not found
[11:01] <jims_> My Mplayer version (for mozilla/firefox) is 2.7 is that the latest?
[11:01] <CoryK> CrTr have you tried xCHM?
[11:01] <Octane> which is the same error i get when i run oo2 or oo1 from cmd line
[11:01] <crimsun> Octane: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2275
[11:01] <robzon> pc22: it should be there, grayed out.. if it's not there, it seems system failed to load a module for your NIC
[11:02] <majikstreet> !help
[11:02] <robzon> Octane: hmm I can't say, cause it seems that something's wrong with ldd on 64bit system
[11:02] <robzon> Octane: I get an error in ldd itself :/
[11:02] <] N[ame> problem majikstreet ?
[11:02] <majikstreet> no
[11:02] <] N[ame> oh
[11:02] <pc22> so how do i load it
[11:02] <majikstreet> i just wanted to test out that thingy
[11:02] <] N[ame> hehe
[11:02] <] N[ame> !help
[11:02] <benplaut> ] N[ame: ubotu :P
[11:02] <robzon> pc22: what NIC do you have?
[11:02] <Octane> robzon: im on 64bit
[11:03] <robzon> Octane: oh :) well, maybe something's wrong with my ldd package then :/
[11:03] <jims_> Does anyone have any ideas how I can troubleshoot Mplayer in Fire-fox?
[11:03] <pc22> i have 2 3com
[11:03] <robzon> Octane: hmm it works with other executables.. :/
[11:04] <majikstreet> !ban
[11:04] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, majikstreet
[11:04] <robzon> pc22: do you know what models?
[11:04] <majikstreet> huh?
[11:04] <pc22> yeah
[11:04] <xlogik> Can any1 exlain how I can configure my sound apps "vlc, xmms and xine", I only can hear system sounds.
[11:04] <nitinshantharam> guys im able to send mail and login but i cant recieve mail - how can i debug this im using dovecot/sendmail
[11:04] <nyktovus> how do you set the default players for multimedia?
[11:04] <CoryK> is there a package for nasm?
[11:05] <] N[ame> can install totem-xine with totem-gstreamer still installed?
[11:05] <robzon> Octane: ok, I've got ldd to work and I don't have any missing libs
[11:05] <erUSUL> xlogik: in the apps select esd output, iguess
[11:05] <crimsun> ] N[ame: no, not if you use Ubuntu packages.
[11:05] <robzon> Octane: libz.so.1 => /usr/lib32/libz.so.1 (0x5671d000)
[11:05] <CrTr> CoryK, 10x
[11:05] <xlogik> erUSUL:ok
[11:05] <robzon> pc22: so what models are they?
[11:06] <] N[ame> in synaptic totem-gstreamer says it wants to remove ubuntu desktop if I uninstall it
[11:06] <erUSUL> ] N[ame: yes it will deinstall the former and install the later
[11:06] <robzon> ] N[ame: ubuntu-desktop is only a meta-package, you don't really need it
[11:06] <] N[ame> ahh
[11:06] <odatubuntu> crimsun: sup man
[11:06] <nyktovus> dammit.. i installed totem-xine and now wmv files come up as a slew of text on the web browser
[11:06] <] N[ame> im not using metacity
[11:07] <crimsun> odatubuntu: nm, yourself?
[11:07] <robzon> ] N[ame: it has nothing to do with metacity
[11:07] <odatubuntu> anyone have any experience with joy2key
[11:07] <majikstreet> joy2key?
[11:07] <] N[ame> oh
[11:07] <pc22> 3c905b tx 3com
[11:07] <odatubuntu> crimsun: i can't figure out how to set this thing up for soldier of fortune
[11:07] <] N[ame> so its fine to do it through synaptic?
[11:07] <pc22> robzon, 3c905b tx 3com
[11:08] <robzon> ] N[ame: meta-package is a package that doesn't contain any files, but only depends on other packages.. so you can install/upgrade group of packages with one click/command
[11:08] <robzon> ] N[ame: yes
[11:08] <crimsun> odatubuntu: not sure I follow
[11:09] <miketech> Hi all
[11:09] <odatubuntu> crimsun: well i downloaded it and installed it but i'm not sure how to configure or run it with a game     ahhh i hate that i started on a gui    lol
[11:09] <robzon> pc22: try sudo modprobe 3c59x
[11:09] <robzon> pc22: in terminal
[11:09] <miketech> just tested ubuntu breezy, very nice. but in "removable drives and media" there is for printers: gnome-printer-add . this program does not exist. maybe you meant gnome-cups-add?
[11:09] <majikstreet> odatubuntu what is joy2key?
[11:09] <moparfan90> does anyone know anything that will make my computer faster in any aspect?
[11:10] <majikstreet> moparfan90, are you on  the correct kernel?
[11:10] <crimsun> odatubuntu: using a native Linux client or using WINE/Cedega?
[11:10] <ompaul> moparfan90, ram most of likely
[11:10] <dooglus> how can I get "evolution" as an option on the gdm login screen as well as 'GNOME' and 'KDE' and such like?
[11:10] <robzon> moparfan90: dual opteron and 4GB DDR2 RAM :)
[11:10] <durt> moparfan90, use a lighter window manager
[11:10] <odatubuntu> majikstreet: it allows games that do not have a joypad option to use a gamepad
[11:10] <majikstreet> ooo..
[11:10] <moparfan90> i am using e17
[11:10] <] N[ame> ok its done
[11:10] <odatubuntu> crimsun: native linux
[11:10] <kevogod> moparfan90, Get a new CPU, more RAM, a better video card, a better motherboard, better cooling system, better hard drives set up in a RAID, etc.
[11:10] <moparfan90> i have 256mb ram and not going to buy more
[11:10] <dooglus> moparfan90: what package did you need to install to get e17 on the session menu?
[11:10] <miketech> not sure if this is a bug, but it does not work, so it couldn't be correct :)
[11:10] <LasseL> what is the nautilus equivalent to "right-click-drag" in explorer?
[11:10] <crimsun> odatubuntu: try using tab completion in a Terminal, then
[11:11] <robzon> moparfan90: yeah, RAM is very important, I'd say 512 is recommended minimum
[11:11] <moparfan90> i dont know there a tutorial on ubuntu forums search i
[11:11] <crimsun> odatubuntu: as I recall, the binary is named 'sof' or 'soldier'
[11:11] <njs12345> talk to you all later
[11:11] <robzon> pc22: see if the NIC now appears in network settings
[11:11] <psychic> Can I hibernate into a swap file instead of a swap partition?
[11:11] <odatubuntu> crimsun: i don't have a problem using SOF   i just can't figure out how to use  joy2key
[11:12] <crimsun> odatubuntu: I can't help with that. I've never heard of it much less used it.
[11:12] <moparfan90> does anyone know a way to speed up my computer with OUT buying anything?
[11:13] <pc22> robzon, thanks i just hav to reboot it
[11:13] <pc22> lol
[11:13] <odatubuntu> crimsun: do you know of any good software that will allow me to use a gamepad on games that don't support it
[11:13] <moparfan90> i think i have good hardware for ubunut
[11:13] <robzon> pc22: :)
[11:13] <LasseL> moparfan90, 256mb is too low IMHO
[11:13] <miketech> hm nobody responsible for this? *g*
[11:13] <crimsun> odatubuntu: I kinda stopped playing games about 3 years ago (no time)
[11:13] <crimsun> odatubuntu: but no, I don't
[11:13] <robzon> moparfan90: 256MB isn't good I guess...
[11:13] <dooglus> moparfan90: steal some RAM chips from the PCs at work
[11:13] <psychic> Can I hibernate into a swap file instead of a swap partition?
[11:14] <moparfan90> i dont work
[11:14] <dooglus> moparfan90: from somebody else's work then
[11:14] <moparfan90> thats why im not buying anything
[11:14] <dooglus> do you have any overalls?
[11:14] <crimsun> psychic: have you consulted Google?
[11:14] <robzon> moparfan90: get a job and then steal RAM chips :PP
[11:14] <dooglus> dress as a workman, then you can walk into any office anywhere.
[11:14] <moparfan90> lol
[11:14] <dooglus> remember to whistle a tuneless ditty as you steal stuff.
[11:15] <moparfan90> is there anything i can do to ubuntu to make it faster?
[11:15] <thenuke> moparfan90: sure, buy more decent hardware
[11:15] <odatubuntu> crimsun: k thanx anyway man
[11:15] <robzon> moparfan90: hmm I don't think so, you could use xfce, but then ubuntu loses its power
[11:15] <moparfan90> other then buy or steal or borrow
[11:16] <kevogod> moparfan90, Yes, use Gentoo.
[11:16] <LasseL> twm :)
[11:16] <moparfan90> i am using e17 that a light wieght window manager
[11:16] <moparfan90> why i though ubuntu was better
[11:17] <robzon> moparfan90: well, for me ubuntu IS better, but everything depends on taste and target use ;)
[11:17] <dooglus> if you use xfce then ubuntu has more power.  less of it goes into running Gnome, and more of it goes into your apps.
[11:17] <OceanNoPontos> hello! back, from my enlightened gnome. Wow, it is ***really MUCH*** more fast than metacity. ;)
[11:17] <LasseL> how about fluxbox isn't that even lighter
[11:17] <kevogod> Gentoo's aim is customizability and speed.
[11:17] <Ng> LasseL: yes
[11:17] <robzon> dooglus: if you use Xfce you could as well use debian... basically ubuntu is simply a very well configured gnome
[11:18] <dooglus> robzon: ubuntu is more than just gnome
[11:18] <CoryK> i want to change it from warty-security to hoary-security as well right...
[11:18] <Ng> xfce isn't exactly impressively fast on slow machines, ditching all the panel type things and going with a simple window manager will be the best option on a seriously underpowered machine ;)
[11:18] <moparfan90> is debian better then ubuntu if i use fluxbox or e17?
[11:18] <robzon> moparfan90: I don't think so
[11:18] <kevogod> Uh no
[11:18] <moparfan90> mine machine isnt bad at all
[11:19] <LasseL> moparfan90, i think damnsmalllinux is optimized for less resource usage
[11:19] <robzon> dooglus: well, I agree, but still well-configured gnome is what got ubuntu a lot (probably most) of its user base
[11:19] <moparfan90> but i like ubunut
[11:20] <moparfan90> ubuntu*
[11:20] <OceanNoPontos> robzon: I have changed from KDE to gnome thanks to Ubuntu and Mono. ;)
[11:20] <thellama> what is it, drary drake?
[11:20] <] N[ame> dapper drake
[11:20] <robzon> OceanNoPontos: yeah, me too, actually.. ;)
[11:20] <thellama> OceanNoPontos: me too!
[11:20] <] N[ame> the next version of ubuntu
[11:21] <thellama> ah yes, dapper drake
[11:21] <thellama> thanks
[11:21] <kevogod> The version after Dapper Drake is Foxy Fox.
[11:21] <thellama> really?
[11:21] <kevogod> No.
[11:21] <thellama> heh
[11:21] <LasseL> moparfan90, a 512mb is $50 tops, save up or suck it up :p
[11:21] <psychic> Does ubuntu 5.10 use suspend2?
[11:22] <kevogod> 2x512 MB DDR400 memory is $80.
[11:22] <moparfan90> i dont think that will make my computer that much faster
[11:22] <kevogod> moparfan90, Then you would be wrong.
[11:22] <moparfan90> if i had that much ram id go to windows
[11:22] <moparfan90> for games
[11:22] <thellama> they should call it lucky llama
[11:22] <thellama> lazy llama
[11:23] <LasseL> moparfan90, in my expirience ubuntu takes up more resources than windows 2000 did
[11:23] <moparfan90> o realy
[11:23] <robzon> moparfan90: yeah, well... you have to choose.. either spend 50 bucks and have ubuntu's gnome, or use a lighter desktop envitonment... there's nothing you can do to tweak performance.. maybe a little, but that's probably not what you expect
[11:23] <mlopes> hi. does anyone know what to change to the NFS configuration so it can be accessible be another machine with iptables?
[11:23] <moparfan90> i already have a light wieght window manager
[11:23] <LasseL> moparfan90, i certainly feel the urge to upgrade my memory after switching from w2k to ubuntu
[11:23] <stein> Where can I see the list of packages for breezy ? (I'm interested if ndiswraper is included and what version)
[11:24] <BOOMSHOT> sup guys...Using Ubuntu n luvin it....question. (newbie): I want to use Klibido in Ubuntu, how do I install it?
[11:24] <robzon> stein: System/Administration/Synaptic
[11:24] <LasseL> moparfan90, try fluxbox
[11:24] <erUSUL> moparfan90:  enlightment is not what i would  call lightweight
[11:24] <stein> robzon: I'm not running Ubuntu right now ;-)
[11:24] <robzon> stein: packages.ubuntu.com I think
[11:25] <moparfan90> ooo
[11:25] <stein> 10x
[11:25] <moparfan90> will that make my computer alot faster?
[11:25] <LasseL> moparfan90, no, somewhat
[11:25] <moparfan90> noticable
[11:26] <moparfan90> ???//
[11:26] <BOOMSHOT> ne1 installed Klibido successfully & used it with .nzb files
[11:26] <nictuku> hi. I'm almost sure there is something wrong with my mozilla. Either firefox or mozilla.
[11:26] <robzon> moparfan90: you'll get more RAM for running apps and faster window manager
[11:26] <dvm_> Greetings, if I think I've found a character encoding bug in firefox, where should I go to report this?
[11:26] <BOOMSHOT> (newbie) having probs installing in Ubuntu
[11:26] <robzon> BOOMSHOT: what klibido?
[11:26] <] N[ame> is mplayer independant of xine?
[11:27] <BOOMSHOT> newsreader
[11:27] <moparfan90> whats better (faster and nicer looking)   fluxbox or xfce
[11:27] <erUSUL> dvm_: bugzilla in mozilla ;)
[11:27] <BOOMSHOT> robzon: regular .deb won't install in Ubuntu
[11:28] <BOOMSHOT> followed instructions on Ubuntu forum...still no go
[11:28] <nictuku> I have a monitoring station that only shows two monitors with two mozilla browsers running on it. After a few days running, it ALWAYS gets very strange and start to take all my system's resources. I would guess there is a memory leak or something like that.
[11:28] <robzon> ] N[ame: yes
[11:28] <] N[ame> robzon, so I can have both with out an issue
[11:28] <] N[ame> ?
[11:28] <BOOMSHOT> r can u recommend a vgood newsreader that can use .nzb files from Newzbin.com
[11:29] <] N[ame> because totem xine has lines in it during dvd playback
[11:29] <] N[ame> during fast action
[11:29] <robzon> ] N[ame: yes you can use both
[11:30] <robzon> BOOMSHOT: sorry, I don't know any newsreaders
[11:30] <BOOMSHOT> k thx
[11:30] <hondje> pan is nice
[11:30] <erUSUL> nictuku: known issue you have to set a limit in memory usage in a window visit about:config and set browser.cache.memory.capacity
[11:30] <erUSUL> to somethin that suits you
[11:30] <BOOMSHOT> does it recognize .nzb files?
[11:30] <hondje> I dunno what that is
[11:30] <hondje> but I bet there might be some list of supported things on their website
[11:31] <BOOMSHOT> roger that...Ne1 ever installed nzbget in Ubuntu?
[11:31] <nictuku> erUSUL. Interesting. Thank you very much. But is that a bug or expected?
[11:31] <LasseL> right-click-drag in explorer is middle-click-drag in nautilus
[11:32] <erUSUL> nictuku: i think that is a bug the cache should not grow forever but right now it is this way
[11:33] <nictuku> but, would the cache grows if it's just reloading the same page?
[11:33] <lars__> Hi @ all
[11:33] <andelgado> anyone? i need help
[11:33] <BOOMSHOT> hey
[11:34] <Seveas> hi lars__ :)
[11:34] <hondje> Anyone up to helping me get beagle working?
[11:34] <lars__> I've got a question
[11:34] <hondje> I think it hates me
[11:34] <Xorlev> Okay, advice. I have a 120gb Windows drive, and a 40gb Linux drive. I use Linux completely, but I'm not sure if I want to format my Windows drive, but I need the space. Should I format it?
[11:34] <badders> anyone know if there is an easy way to get a list of packages that are installed, but not directly or indirectly dependencies of ubuntu-desktop?
[11:34] <erUSUL> nictuku: i do not know :( maybe there is actually a bug...
[11:34] <lars__> I'm trying to setup a ftp server
[11:34] <hondje> Which is lame, since my nick is totally beagle-friendly
[11:34] <lars__> but i can't find the file :S
[11:34] <Seveas> hondje, beagle is quite a territorial dog, it can't stand other hondjes around :)
[11:34] <robzon> lars__: uncomment ftp line in /etc/inetd.conf
[11:34] <hondje> Seveas: hehe :)
[11:35] <andelgado> windows-based yahoo messenger allows user to view webcams of chat mates. can it be done with GAIM?
[11:35] <moparfan90> Seveas, do you know any way to speed up ubuntu in any aspect with out buying anythin?
[11:35] <LasseL> Xorlev, you could resize the windows drive and create a shared partition for data
[11:35] <erUSUL> Xorlev: you at least have to create a linux compatible filesystem in the partition (ext3)
[11:35] <robzon> lars__: ok I lied, there is no ftp line in inetd.conf in ubuntu :P
[11:35] <hondje> When I run beagled --foreground it goes along for a little bit until I get '** (beagled:10386): WARNING **: FIXME: wait for completion unimplemented
[11:35] <hondje> '
[11:35] <Seveas> moparfan90, using fluxbox instead of another DE helps
[11:35] <andelgado> windows-based yahoo messenger allows user to view webcams of chat mates. can it be done with GAIM?
[11:35] <lars__> haha okay :P
[11:35] <hondje> gaim-vv
[11:35] <robzon> lars__: install proftpd
[11:35] <ai-2> lars__: how is it possible is there a program i need to install to be able to see my windows partition?
[11:35] <moparfan90> Seveas, im using e17 is that good or still use fluxbox?
[11:35] <robzon> lars__: and then look at /etc/proftpd.conf
[11:35] <lars__> yeah i can't get proftpd
[11:35] <lars__> Yeah i know :)
[11:36] <Seveas> moparfan90, it's not bad speed-wise
[11:36] <erUSUL> hondje: if its only a WARNING there is no problem :D
[11:36] <Xorlev> LasseL: I could, and I know about fat partitions and such, I'm just looking for advice: should I format, or not. If I do, what should I mount it as? Perhaps move my home directory on it and mount it there?
[11:36] <robzon> lars__: why can't you get it?
[11:36] <andelgado> windows-based yahoo messenger allows user to view webcams of chat mates. can it be done with GAIM?
[11:36] <lsuactiafner> depends on what you want from a GUI
[11:36] <hondje> erUSUL: But it dies at that warning
[11:36] <lsuactiafner> i dont want to notice it, so i use blackbox, got my menus and my 3 virtual desktops and i'm happy
[11:36] <lars__> when i'm doing this in konsole : sudo apt-get install proftpd
[11:36] <ai-2> lars__: could you please answer it is very important, thanks in advance
[11:37] <LasseL> Xorlev, i belive you can read and write ext3 from windows if you get a driver for it
[11:37] <robertbb> does rhythmbox support ipods?
[11:37] <hondje> oh, I bet they have their own chan on the gnome server
[11:37] <moparfan90> Seveas, sould i use flux box or stay the way i have it?
[11:37] <lars__> he's saying that he can't find it
[11:37] <andelgado> anyone, pls. windows-based yahoo messenger allows user to view webcams of chat mates. can it be done with GAIM?
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> ai-2 : no, you just need to mount it
[11:37] <robzon> ai-2: you don't need any additional software
[11:37] <hondje> andelgado: not really, no
[11:37] <erUSUL> Xorlev: yes it is a good idea. when you run mkext2fs you are formating the partition anyway
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> ai-2 : is the windows partiion on the same physical disk as linux?
[11:37] <LasseL> Xorlev, and if you do format, be sure to watch out not to loose your boot loader
[11:38] <Xorlev> LasseL: Its not a question of can I mount ext3 from Windows...I don't use Windows at all anymore. I'm just hesitant to format away Windows, so its more of a philisophical advice.
[11:38] <opo> Anyone know of an way to rip 4,000 audio cd's in a less tedious manner?
[11:38] <robzon> lars__: hmm that's weird cause it's in the repository.. try doing it thru synaptic
[11:38] <lfelipe> Hi, has anyone had any problems installing nvidia-glx-legacy on breezy ?? I'm getting a conflict with libmesa, and I have no idea what I can do about it
[11:38] <robzon> lars__: or do sudo apt-get update
[11:38] <Xorlev> LasseL: I boot from GRUB on my Linux drive, there is no problems I can see.
[11:38] <lsuactiafner> ai-2 : sudo fdisk -l ; sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[11:38] <andelgado> thanks hondje. so is it possible to chat in linux that allows viewing of webcams of chatmates?
[11:38] <LasseL> Xorlev, I am in the same dilemma, I decided to leave 20gb free for a possible future windows installation ...
[11:38] <erUSUL> opo: yes p2p aplication and a dedicated t1 line XD
[11:38] <lsuactiafner> ai-2 : with fdisk -l you will see /dev/something and info specifying its a windows partiion
[11:39] <lfelipe> opo : download some batch encoder that uses cddb, and then you can just keep changing the cds. There should be some bash scripts to do that
[11:39] <moparfan90> Seveas, if install fluxbox and get rid of that gnome login thing and all gnome will that make it alot faster?
[11:39] <lars__> No it makes no diffrence :S
[11:39] <opo> erUSUL : haha
[11:39] <lsuactiafner> ai-2 : then mount /dev/something /mnt/windows
[11:39] <hondje> ooooh, xchat-gnome is nice
[11:39] <lsuactiafner> ai-2 : then cd /mnt/windows andyou will see your windows files..
[11:39] <Xorlev> LasseL: Good advice, I could do that. Leave 15-20gb free for if I ever want to reinstall Windows, and the rest ext3.
[11:40] <andelgado> xchat supports viewing of webcams of chat mates?
[11:40] <robzon> lars__: weird.. I have it in the repository :/
[11:40] <lfelipe> Hi, has anyone had any problems installing nvidia-glx-legacy on breezy ?? I'm getting a conflict with libmesa, and I have no idea what I can do about it
[11:40] <lsuactiafner> moparfan90 : i disbaled gdm and gnome things ect. yes its faster, but if you dont know what you're doing in linux gnome will be easier to use
[11:40] <SuperQ> andelgado: there might be a video chat version of gaim
[11:40] <lsuactiafner> lfelipe : why are you installing nvidia-glx-legacy?
[11:40] <erUSUL> lfelipe: uninstall mesa
[11:41] <moparfan90> wqelllsuactiafner, im already using e17 so by disabling that willi gain any speed?
[11:41] <LasseL> Xorlev, yeah or minimize your current windows version so it will fit in 15gig keep it and use the rest for ext3
[11:41] <serfurj> what's the name of a gnome menu editor?
[11:41] <lfelipe> erUSUL, uninstalling mesa also uninstall alot of packages that depend on it
[11:41] <caspar> is crimsun here?
[11:41] <LasseL> serfurj, smeg
[11:41] <andelgado> SuperQ: where can i find it? standard OS installers don't have?
[11:41] <lfelipe> lsuactiafner : to use the accelerated X for my video card (nvidia riva tnt 2)
[11:41] <ai-2> lsuactiafner: iam not able to see my windows files
[11:41] <SuperQ> Angel-SL: let me look.. i'm kinda laged right now
[11:41] <serfurj> LasseL: what apt source is that in?
[11:41] <SuperQ> andelgado: erm... yea
[11:41] <moparfan90> lsuactiafner, im already using e17 if i disable gnome and that crap will i gain spped?
[11:42] <caspar> crimsun are you active ? i have a problem with my microphone
[11:42] <LasseL> serfurj, try first, then ask :p
[11:42] <crimsun> caspar: what sort?
[11:42] <lsuactiafner> moparfan90 : blackbox + fluxbox is faster, but not as functional by default.
[11:42] <serfurj> LasseL: i did.  it's not in ubuntu, universe, or multiverse
[11:42] <lsuactiafner> moparfan90 : and if you ask me the same question twice i will kick you ass.
[11:42] <lsuactiafner> not really since i dont know where you libe
[11:42] <moparfan90> lsuactiafner, no you wont
[11:42] <lsuactiafner> but you get the idea..
[11:42] <Xorlev> LasseL: Part of the reason I switched to Linux was because Windows was broken, so I'm copying my important files over to my Linux drive, and nuking the whole thing, but leaving 20gb or so for Windows if I decide to reinstall it.
[11:42] <andelgado> SuperQ: i'm a bit slow. what's erm, as you said
[11:43] <caspar> crimsun: i have 2 mic inputs but it only cee's one and i cannot use the one where my mic is pluged into :S
[11:43] <lsuactiafner> moparfan90 : just check it out, see what you prefer.
[11:43] <ai-2> mount /dev/dev/hda1 /mnt/windows/
[11:43] <ai-2> mount: special device /dev/dev/hda1 does not exist
[11:43] <Xorlev> ai-2: its /dev/hda1, not /dev/dev/hda1
[11:43] <robzon> ai-2: only one /dev
[11:43] <moparfan90> lsuactiafneri used fluxbox before and i like e17 better
[11:43] <hondje> Is beagled supposed to keep running in the background after you launch it?
[11:43] <lsuactiafner> ai-2 : /dev/hda1
[11:43] <SuperQ> andelgado: i'm online via cell network.. kinda slow
[11:43] <lsuactiafner> moparfan90 : so whats the problem then, it you prefer a nice looking GUI to speed use e17
[11:43] <ai-2> thanks
[11:44] <caspar> crimsun: do you know annyting about that?
[11:44] <LasseL> serfurj, it is in hoary-backports
[11:44] <moparfan90> lsuactiafner, can i make ubuntu boot faster?
[11:44] <serfurj> LasseL: thanks
[11:44] <annex> I have a xinerama setup with a modern Nvidia card and an old ATI card.  Previously using Xfree86 whenever OpenGL applications (e.g. Unreal Tournament) would run in full screen they would only be displayed on the Nvidia card.  Installing Ubuntu and Xorg, OpenGL applications now try to run half on either monitor when fullscreen.  How can I make it so only the Nvidia card is used for OpenGL applications?  I don't see any difference in my X configs
[11:44] <LasseL> serfurj, and in the mirrormax backports
[11:44] <SuperQ> andelgado: is there a specific chat program you want to use with video?
[11:44] <Kromonos> gn8
[11:44] <lsuactiafner> moparfan90 : yeh, but dont follow my advice, @ all.. nobody shoudl, but disabling crap in /etc/init.d/ like ntpdate will make it much faster
[11:45] <lsuactiafner> chmod -x script will dsiable it
[11:45] <lsuactiafner> chmod -x /etc/init.d/ntpdate works wonders..
[11:45] <lsuactiafner> but dont do it..
[11:45] <moparfan90> lsuactiafner, why
[11:45] <crimsun> caspar: paste the output from ''amixer'' onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:45] <moparfan90> lsuactiafner, i already did
[11:45] <andelgado> i just want to be with yahoo chat (messenger), which i usually do in windows. and i can easily view webcams of others.
[11:45] <erUSUL> lsuactiafner: the correct way of doing this is with update-rc.d remove <whatever>
[11:46] <andelgado> SuperQ: I didn't get what u mean of ... erm
[11:46] <SuperQ> andelgado: nothing..
[11:46] <lsuactiafner> moparfan90 : because i'm just telling you not do it to avoid being flamed..
[11:46] <nitinshantharam> guys i was following te email server tutorial http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ and it says type ehlo anywhere.org and i should see some lines displayed - but it just stays there i get no output
[11:46] <GatoLoko> hi
[11:46] <SuperQ> andelgado: what is the other person you are trying to talk to using?
[11:46] <unf> ola
[11:46] <caspar> crimsun: done
[11:46] <lsuactiafner> erUSUL : chmod works better, since its easier to enbale something again when need be ect
[11:46] <shekhar_> hello all, i need some help reviving my windows partition after ubuntu installation
[11:47] <SuperQ> andelgado: AIM? ICQ?
[11:47] <andelgado> SuperQ: yahoo messenger, in windows
[11:47] <SuperQ> ok
[11:47] <nictuku> nitinshantharam, check /var/log/mail.log
[11:47] <erUSUL> lsuactiafner: the correct way of doing this is with update-rc.d defaults <whatever>
[11:47] <lfelipe>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libGL.so.1', which is also in package libgl1-mesa
[11:47] <LasseL> lsuactiafner, wouldn't ntpupdate be better suited for a cron.weekly anyways ?
[11:47] <SmokinWeed_420> http://www.planetbattleground.com/recruit.php?id=273
[11:47] <lsuactiafner> erUSUL : but its not as functional. its easier to admin to go ls /etc/init.d/ and to enable/disbale ect
[11:47] <andelgado> SuperQ: i don't see any option to view webcam of chatmates in XChat.
[11:47] <nitinshantharam> nictuku: it says fatal: unsupported dictionary type: mysql
[11:48] <andelgado> SuperQ: so, any suggestions regarding my need?
[11:48] <lsuactiafner> LasseL : ntpupdate runs on every boot. and since not all ppl are on networks it times out after line a minute
[11:48] <ai-2> lsuactiafner: i get permission denied if i try to open it with ubuntu file browser.
[11:48] <Abdul_Mueid> hello everyone!
[11:48] <SuperQ> andelgado: no
[11:48] <erUSUL> lsuactiafner: actually remove or defaults goes after <whatever> sorry
[11:48] <lsuactiafner> scripts should run with & in the background, execute everything @ the same time..
[11:48] <nictuku> nitinshantharam apt-get install postfix-mysql
[11:48] <ai-2> with command line it is okay
[11:48] <xTina> lfelipe: afaik the developers know about this one
[11:48] <robzon> alright, gotta go do some coding.. see ya'll later
[11:48] <LasseL> lsuactiafner, i understand, but that wasn't my question
[11:49] <xTina> lfelipe: the nvidia-glx-legacy package is still very new, just a few days old.
[11:49] <crimsun> caspar: you have a 'Mic Select' element that you should be able to toggle to select the microphone to use
[11:49] <lsuactiafner> ai-2 : chmod a+rw /mnt/windows/    <-- might not work as i think it will
[11:49] <lfelipe> xTina, is there anything I can do ?
[11:49] <lfelipe> something like a forced update ?
[11:49] <Seveas> ai-2, *will* not work
[11:49] <erUSUL> lsuactiafner: what is the diference between running 'update-rc.d ntpdate remove' and chmod -x /etc/init.d/ntpdate
[11:49] <andelgado> So, no way to videochat in linux? yahoo messenger for linux doesnt have option for this purpose too.
[11:49] <haasteem> how can i see what is the device name of my soundcard?
[11:49] <Seveas> chmod is not effective on windows filesystems
[11:49] <GatoLoko> someone have freepascal working with breezy?
[11:50] <crimsun> haasteem: "device name"?
[11:50] <Seveas> haasteem, probably /dev/dsp
[11:50] <nybble> hmm
[11:50] <ai-2> chmod a+rw /mnt/windows/
[11:50] <ai-2> chmod: changing permissions of `/mnt/windows/': Read-only file system
[11:50] <nybble> anyone familiar with encrypted filesystems?
[11:50] <haasteem> seveas: ok, let me have a look
[11:50] <Seveas> ai-2, you need correct mount options
[11:50] <SuperQ> andelgado: http://messenger.yahoo.com/messenger/download/unix.html#debian
[11:50] <SuperQ> andelgado: you need that
[11:50] <erUSUL> lsuactiafner: i find both quite the same in typing but one is right (tm) and the other not
[11:50] <Seveas> add umask=0000 to these options
[11:50] <ai-2> what is that Seveas:?
[11:51] <Seveas> ai-2, how did you mmount the drive?
[11:51] <SuperQ> andelgado: oh.. maybe that doesn't support video
[11:51] <benplaut> [breezy]  I followed normal instructions to enable codecs, but in every media player, the size of the box is correct, the length is correct, sound works, but no video
[11:51] <andelgado> SuperQ: i downloaded it. But it doesnt have option to view webcam either.
[11:51] <SuperQ> andelgado: yea.. I think you're SOL
[11:51] <ai-2>  mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows/
[11:51] <SuperQ> andelgado: sorry
[11:51] <neighborlee> anyone know a way out of a problem with thunderbird, where the email app does not give you opportunity to retype password if enterered wrong ???
[11:52] <jims_> Can anyone help me with Mplayer?  When I open a file, I get a pop-up window that's titled "Fatal Error".  It says "Error opening/initializing the selected video_out device".  I am using the default configuration without changes.  Totem and Xine_ui work OK...
[11:52] <xTina> lfelipe: I _think_ you can safely replace the file (--force-overwrite when using dpkg), though I haven't tried it.
[11:52] <andelgado> SuperQ: so, no application in linux yet allowing viewing of cams? does it mean linux users are stuck to typing online in chatting?
[11:52] <ai-2> Seveas  mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows/
[11:52] <ORiON2012> andelgado: GnomeMeeting and Skype are worth checking out
[11:52] <xTina> lfelipe: The other alternative would be waiting a few days until a fixed package is available.
[11:52] <nitinshantharam> nictuku: istill same problem
[11:52] <GatoLoko> andelgado gnomemeeting
[11:53] <PlanarPlatypus> neighborlee, I think it is in tools->options-> advanced
[11:53] <robzon> andelgado: gnomemeeting, I think skype has video, doesn't it?
[11:53] <elvirolo> hi all
[11:53] <erUSUL> andelgado: well there's gnomemeeting
[11:53] <haasteem> seveas: dull question maybe, how can i look at /dev/dsp?
[11:53] <Seveas> ai-2, dp you want it to be mounted every time you boot?
[11:53] <nictuku> nitinshantharam restart postfix
[11:53] <Seveas> haasteem, with a microscope...
[11:53] <Seveas> define 'look at'
[11:53] <haasteem> :-)
[11:53] <erUSUL> Seveas: :D
[11:53] <haasteem> open the file
[11:53] <elvirolo> god, i *still* have that menu prob with breezy (i've been having it for weeks ... even if i did several fresh installs)
[11:53] <andelgado> k. i'll see if it can be connect to chatrooms of yahoo and view webcams in it. thanks
[11:53] <lars__> robzon you've got any idea how it's gone work ?
[11:53] <el_besugo> open dps?
[11:53] <GatoLoko> andelgado the cvs version of amsn support messenger webcam
[11:53] <elvirolo> many entries do not appear in my kde menu
[11:54] <Seveas> haasteem, that would be.... odd
[11:54] <nitinshantharam> nictuku: no difference
[11:54] <caspar> crimsun: ok the mic dous work (but now TeamSpeak dousen :S)
[11:54] <Seveas> why do you want that?
[11:54] <samu2> anyone managed to print out the week view in evolution with a "landscape" layout?
[11:54] <PlanarPlatypus> neighborlee, go to saved passwords and then viw saved passwords and remove the one in question
[11:54] <robzon> lars__: hmm, I've lost the point... what was it..?
[11:54] <samu2> i just cant get it to print the way i want it
[11:54] <el_besugo> perhaps he wants to see digital sound
[11:54] <andelgado> ty GatoLoko
[11:54] <ai-2> well Seveas: i only want to be able to run my movies and programs in windows partition, and right now iam able to do that from the command line but not graphically, because vlc wont run audio on my movies
[11:54] <samu2> is there an irc channel for evolution?
[11:54] <haasteem> seveas: i want to know the device name of my sound card
[11:54] <Seveas> ai-2: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[11:54] <erUSUL> haasteem: from a C program  open("/dev/dsp", rw) if i recall correctly
[11:55] <Seveas> erUSUL, you did not ;)
[11:55] <erUSUL> haasteem: ls -al /dev/snd/
[11:55] <walde> How can I ubuntu tell, to install the kernel source of the ubuntu-kernel automatically?
[11:55] <ai-2> Seveas is it possible with apt-get ?
[11:55] <Seveas> ai-2, no
[11:55] <Snoblower> anybody want to show a complete noob how to properly install ubuntu?
[11:55] <andelgado> skype, and gnomemeeting, where can i get it?
[11:55] <erUSUL> Seveas: :(
[11:55] <Seveas> it's a simple script, download it and run it
[11:55] <haasteem> erusul: ok, let me try that
[11:55] <andelgado> i found gnomemeeting
[11:55] <walde> andelgado, at skype.com, gnomemeeting should be installable via apt
[11:55] <el_besugo> Snoblower: there are a lot of howtos online
[11:56] <walde> andelgado, sorry, synaptic
[11:56] <andelgado> thanks walde
[11:56] <erUSUL> haasteem: you will see the devices asociated with your soundcard/s there
[11:56] <robzon> andelgado: gnomemeeting is in ubuntu and skype has no package cause it's non-open-source, you have to download it from skype.com
[11:56] <walde> andelgado, installing of skype.com is also very easy. You can start it directly from your home if you download the static version
[11:56] <andelgado> perhaps gnomemeeting is similar to microsoft netmeeting? i'll try it
[11:57] <erUSUL> andelgado: you are right
[11:57] <andelgado> is skype free too? license free?
[11:57] <nictuku> free as in free beer
[11:57] <ai-2> Seveas it is a bash script, what to do with it?
[11:57] <sm1> do we have something like itunes or ippoder easy to install in ubuntu?
[11:57] <LasseL> andelgado, and don't forget: if you are in china it is illegal to get naked in front of your webcamera :p
[11:57] <erUSUL> andelgado: free as in beer but not free as in speech
[11:57] <erUSUL> ai-2: run it?
[11:58] <andelgado> your all cool guys.
[11:58] <ai-2> erUSUL not able to run it
[11:58] <caspar> crimsun: thx
[11:58] <andelgado> gonna try gnomemeeting right now....
[11:58] <nitinshantharam> nictuku: no difference
[11:58] <caspar> bye bye all
[11:58] <ai-2> i can only se the source
[11:58] <jims_> Is there another channel that can help with mplayer?
[11:58] <erUSUL> ai-2: sudo sh <script>.sh
[11:59] <nictuku> nitinshantharam, sorry, if you say installing postfix-mysql won't fix your lack of support for mysql in postfix, then I don't have a clue :)
[11:59] <elvirolo> how do i use alsa in breezy in order to be able to play "multiple sounds" ?
[11:59] <nitinshantharam> nictuku: no i mean, EHLO somewehre.com doesnt give me any output and theres nothign in /var/log/maillog
[11:59] <crimsun> elvirolo: it's set that way by default for the first sound card
[11:59] <LasseL> elvirolo, that is a l33t feature, not everyone can get that
[12:00] <nictuku> it's /var/log/mail.log
[12:00] <crimsun> elvirolo: just make sure that you haven't created your own ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf


[19:28] <bkerensa> pleia2: I nuked someone from Planet Ubuntu (At their request) not sure what the procedure is for this
[19:28] <bkerensa> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~planet-ubuntu/config/main/revision/1562
[19:28] <darthrobot> Title: [~planet-ubuntu/config/main : revision 1562]
[19:28] <bkerensa> their feed was spamming planet every 15 mins
[19:28] <pleia2> bkerensa: he emailed me too "I tried to just remove myself from the config, but was unable to do so. Would you be able to just remove my blog from there?"
[19:28] <pleia2> thanks for taking care of it :)
[19:29] <bkerensa> ok
[20:11] <pleia2> no cloudflare for the jam :( they only do weekday events
[20:11] <pleia2> bkerensa: any other suggestions? :)
[20:11] <bkerensa> hmm
[20:12] <bkerensa> pleia2: not off the top of my head let me think on it
[20:12] <pleia2> thanks