[00:00] <eddyMul> spiv: that seemed to do the trick
[00:00] <eddyMul> spiv: now, it's just a matter of moving them around
[00:00] <eddyMul> spiv: but that's probably the next rev
[00:00] <eddyMul> (and pending merges shows the revs. I assume this will show up in my logs, too?)
[00:01] <spiv> Whatever is in pending merges will be recorded when you do "bzr commit", yes.
[00:03] <eddyMul> spiv, Verterok: I merged it, and moved stuff, and commited it. I'm happy w/ the output of `bzr log`. Thanx, guys!
[00:04] <spiv> eddyMul: glad I could help!
[00:04]  * spiv -> late breakfast
[01:11] <ubotu> New bug: #178813 in bzr "unexpected end of regular expression" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178813
[06:32] <Catfish_Man> hi everyone!
[06:33] <Peng> What everyone?
[06:33] <Catfish_Man> well, presumably the people in the channel
[06:33] <Catfish_Man> there appear to be quite a few
[06:33] <Catfish_Man> although given that this is irc, I assume most of them are idle
[06:36] <Catfish_Man> anyway, I was reading up on the "smart server" stuff, but wasn't able to find a whole lot in the way of documentation
[06:36] <Catfish_Man> is it just a performance optimization? or would it also allow, say, people committing without shell or ftp accounts on the box in question?
[06:45] <Peng> Catfish_Man: Mostly a performance optimization. I'm not sure how possible or easy it is to do that yet, but it could certainly work.
[06:46] <Catfish_Man> ok. I'll set it up on my test server then and see if I can get it working
[06:46] <Catfish_Man> thanks
[07:41] <ubotu> New bug: #178838 in bzr "Progress bar for annotate" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178838
[09:03] <mathrick> I asked about rebase previously, and I don't have access to logs to see if anyone answered
[09:03] <mathrick> the question was: rebasing can be used to reshape the commit history into clean "logical" patches, instead of how the devel actually happened, right? If so, how exactly would I go about that?
[09:03] <mathrick> was there any answer to that?
[10:19] <GaryvdM> mathrick: There are irc logs here: http://bzr.arbash-meinel.com/irc_log/bzr/
[11:07] <mathrick> GaryvdM: ah, handy
[11:15] <mathrick> hmm, no reply, so my question remains open
[11:28] <mathrick> jelmer: poke with the above question?
[12:52] <acuster> jelmer, ?
[13:35] <ubotu> New bug: #178865 in bzr-eclipse "diff error for newly added but not commited files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178865
[14:10] <ubotu> New bug: #178873 in bzr "IndexError exception when branching into subversion format repo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178873
[14:51] <jelmer> acuster: hi
[14:51] <jelmer> mathrick: rebase can be used to "linearalize" history
[14:52] <jelmer> it does not do things like combine revisions or anything like that
[14:52] <acuster> hey, jelmer a few questions for you
[14:53] <jelmer> hi
[14:53] <acuster> 1) svn;// doesn't seem to work here (possibly because of the server). Is there any advantage to using it rather than http://
[14:53] <jelmer> svn:// is a different protocol than http://
[14:53] <jelmer> it only works if the server is running the svnserve application
[14:54] <acuster> 2) I made a shared repo called gtnew, and did the bzr(-svn) branch so my ~/.bazaar/subversion.conf has a line "locations = file:///soft/BZR/gtnew"
[14:54] <acuster> do I need to do anything special to rename that dir to gtbranches?
[14:55] <acuster> (re 1:) right, but is bzr-svn much faster using svn:// or does it not matter?
[14:55] <jelmer> I think svn:// is slightly faster, but I'm not sure
[14:55] <jelmer> to bzr-svn there is no difference
[14:55] <jelmer> the difference is all in the Subversion libraries
[14:55] <acuster> ok
[14:56] <jelmer> how did you create the shared repo? It shouldn't be adding an entry to subversion.conf if you create a new shared repo
[14:57] <acuster> 3) can I reorganize my branches under a shared repository at will? e.g. I have sharedRepo/trunk and I'd like to make sharedRepo/original/trunk so can I just do local unix commands to change that?
[14:57] <acuster> no, the entry was created when I branched under that shared repo
[14:58] <jelmer> acuster: Any reason you're branching /into/ a Subversion repository rather than into a Bazaar repository?
[14:58] <acuster> cd /soft/BZR/; mkdir gtnew; cd gtnew; bzr init-repo --no-trees --rich-root; bzr branch http://svn..../trunk/ .
[14:58] <jelmer> ahh
[14:58] <acuster> I must be phrasing things incorrectly
[14:58] <jelmer> you should be able to simply use mv
[14:59] <acuster> we have an svn server in canada; I'm trying to use bzr locally
[14:59] <acuster> ok
[15:00] <acuster> so do I need to worry about the subversion.conf file at all if I rename the bzr shared-repo directory?
[15:01] <mathrick> jelmer: I see, git's rebase does allow you to rewrite history in such a way
[15:02] <mathrick> (rebase --interactive + "squash" and/or "edit" merge directives)
[15:03] <mathrick> I'd find such a rewriting tool very useful, it allows you to submit changesets with patches that follow the logical order, instead of the chronological and you don't have to expose the intermediate bugs
[15:06] <jelmer> mathrick: patches are welcome :-)
[15:06] <mathrick> :)
[15:09] <acuster> is there documentation for the subversion.conf file?
[15:10] <jelmer> acuster: not really
[15:10] <jelmer> acuster: the locations= setting isn't read by bzr-svn
[15:11] <acuster> cool. Thanks for the help.
[15:11] <acuster> and thanks, more importantly, for the code :-)
[15:13] <jelmer> Glad it's useful (-:
[17:17]  * ddaa just spent one hour setting up eclipse+pydev+bzr
[17:17] <ddaa> first keystroke in a python file, and it busylocks...
[17:17] <ddaa> why do all IDEs have to suck soo much?
[17:54] <__gotcha> has bzr-svn been built as a macport ?
[17:54] <__gotcha> rather, has a macprot been built for bzr-svn ;-) ?
[18:01] <ddaa> What is the coding style for imports in bzr? It seems to be a mixture of "from package import module" and "from package.module import definition". I have trouble telling when to use which.
[19:17] <lifeless> ddaa: its in HACKING
[19:17] <ddaa> lifeless: thanks
[19:17] <lifeless> ddaa: and up to the developer using the thing if they want to be doing module.blah or definition; with one caveat
[19:18] <lifeless> ddaa: things that are deliberatly monke pachable are always the former.
[19:22] <ddaa> mh, HACKING does not seem to give any specific answer to my question.
[19:22] <ddaa> I'm trying to clean up the bzr-git code in the way that will make jam most happy (since my code is based on his branch).
[19:22] <ddaa> although I do have a strong preference for "from package.module import definition"...
[19:23] <ddaa> I guess, mainly because it's the Launchpad convention.
[20:43] <lifeless> ddaa: nice, have fun. I'd assume the imports are fine though ;)
[21:12] <mtaylor> jelmer: I'm having bzr-builddeb issues with it not being able to clean the build area
[21:12] <mtaylor> jelmer: should I be running bzr-builddeb under sudo ?
[21:18] <mtaylor> jelmer: bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pkg-sphinx/pkg-sphinx/trunk
[21:18] <mtaylor> will get you an easily build branch that will break on the clean step
[21:19] <mtaylor> if it's a problem in my packaging, I'd be happy to fix it - but also I thought you might want to see it if it is a bug
[21:19] <mtaylor> jelmer: ^^
[21:44] <mtaylor> jelmer: aha! I think I might know the problem.
[21:44] <mtaylor> jelmer: the packages I'm building install binaries into /usr/bin as root and stuff... whereas python packages wouldn't have this problem?
[22:24] <fullermd> Wow, git's arg parsing can't even handle "-ad", but requires "-a -d"?  How lame.
[22:25]  * mtaylor is really annoyed when people can't parse args right
[22:25] <mtaylor> it got solved like, 15 years ago for crying out loud - stop re-coding it
[22:25] <mtaylor> grrr
[22:25] <fullermd> Well, you never know.  Maybe getopt() is just too slow...
[22:25] <mtaylor> then maybe someone should fix it. :)
[22:25] <foom> getopt() is no solution
[22:25] <fullermd> Interestingly, pre-repack, git loses against bzr packs for storing 1 rev of an import of the YUI library.
[22:26] <fullermd> (size-wise)
[22:26] <fullermd> Post-repack, it wins, though.
[22:26] <fullermd>  11M    yui.knits/.bzr
[22:26] <fullermd> 7.9M    yui.packs/.bzr
[22:26] <fullermd> 5.7M    yui.git/.git
[22:26] <fullermd> (git was ~9.6m before repack -a -d)
[22:27] <fullermd> It's only one rev, so there's no delta compression to be had.  I wonder what git did with that extra 1.7 meg.  Maybe it uses less compression by default?
[22:29] <foom> git doesn't just compress between revisions.
[22:29] <foom> it compresses vs arbitrary other data
[22:29] <fullermd> Well, yeah.  That's why it wins post-repack.
[22:30] <fullermd> I'm mildly curious where the pre-repack loss comes from.
[22:30] <fullermd> (not curious enough to really investigate, of course  :)
[22:49] <MicahElliott> Is there a good reason I can't branch into an existing dir?  E.g.: bzr branch sftp://path/ .
[22:49] <MicahElliott> bzr: ERROR: Target directory "." already exists.
[22:49] <fullermd> It's probably mostly because doing so without some checking would be dangerous, and nobody's bothered to write checking code.
[22:50] <fullermd> I don't know of anybody objecting to it in principle (though I hardly know everything, or even most things)
[22:52] <MicahElliott> fullermd: checking what?
[22:52] <fullermd> That the directory is empty would be sufficient, probably.
[22:53] <MicahElliott> My use case is managing an existing dir that may already contain a bunch of *un*versioned stuff, like $HOME.
[22:53] <fullermd> Mmm.  Now that's more likely to raise principle objections.
[22:54] <fullermd> And requires a lot more checking; it would probably be Wrong(tm) for branch to proceed if there are any filename conflicts, frex, but deciding whether there are can be sticky.
[22:56] <MicahElliott> Maybe some sort of "clobber" option (desirable in my case) would be useful?
[22:57] <fullermd> Could be.  It would certainly be shouted down as a default, but...   unusual cases are what unusual options are for   :)
[22:58] <MicahElliott> I'm not sure what other situations this might arise.  But I'd be surprised if no one here is already managina $HOME with bzr.
[22:59] <fullermd> Some people are.  I don't think anybody's tried to branch it into an existing $HOME, though.
[23:00] <MicahElliott> I do seem to have it working.  But it's a bit ugly to have to do the branch to create a new dir and then: cp newdir/* newdir/.[a-zA-Z]* .
[23:00] <fullermd> You might be able to do a branch into a tree-less repo, mv the .bzr into your homedir, then co the working tree.
[23:01] <MicahElliott> hmm.  That sounds cleaner.
[23:01] <fullermd> You'd have to deal with whatever conflicts it causes...
[23:02] <fullermd> I _think_ it would tend to make the bzr-version the '.moved' variant and leave the existing files with the current name.  'revert --no-backup' would overwrite them, I think.
[23:05] <MicahElliott> fullermd: I'll play around some more with this.  Thanks for the advice.
[23:08] <fullermd> (Well, I guess you'd have to fiddle a little bit to get the repo put together with the branch in that case...)
[23:15] <jelmer> re
[23:16] <jelmer> mtaylor: I'm not sure. You should be using something like fakeroot, even with bzr builddeb
[23:16] <jelmer> mtaylor: james_w is the expert though, he may be able to comment on this better
[23:16] <mtaylor> jelmer: so you think I should be doing "fakeroot bzr bd"
[23:16] <jelmer> I'm not actually sure
[23:17] <jelmer> "bzr builddeb" has "just worked"[tm] for me
[23:17] <mtaylor> ok. :)
[23:17] <mtaylor> well, I tried a small little patch to builddeb that tries shutils.rmtree() and if that fails tries sudo rm -rf
[23:17] <mtaylor> which now works for me :) but I'm sure is not the "right" way to do it
[23:24] <bob2> builddeb should have a -r option like debbuild
[23:24] <jelmer> bob2: I think it already does something
[23:24] <jelmer> since I don't have to specify anything or configure anything
[23:25] <jelmer> I'm sure at least one of my packages runs dh_checkroot
[23:35] <mtaylor> I have some packages that build fine and some that give me this problem
[23:36] <bob2> do they build ok under dpkg-buildpackge -rfakeroot?
[23:36] <mtaylor> yup
[23:36] <mtaylor> but the clean that's failiing here has nothing to do with dpkg-buildpackage
[23:36] <mtaylor> it's a clean of the build area
[23:36] <mtaylor> perhaps builddeb needs to do a debian/rules clean before it cleans the build area?
[23:37] <mtaylor> so that it can let dpkg-buildpackage invoke fakeroot/sudo as needed for the clean?


[00:32] <Fishscene> Greetings. I'm trying to set up a bittorrent tracker in Ubuntu Server 10.10. I ran "aptitude search bittorrent" and found a package called "bittorrent" that says it has a tracker. I installed it, but I have no clue how to set it up. I tried "man bittorrent" but there is no documentation and a google search yeilds everything under the sun related to bittorrent.
[00:35] <Fishscene> Is there any documentation I could look at?
[00:57] <Deezire> is there any special reason for why innodb-segment of my.cnf has been removed from mysql in 10.10?
[00:57] <Deezire> They left the comments, but not the options.
[02:41] <svdasein> I'm having some trouble seeing past the initrd load when installing via a serial console - does anyone here have experience w/ that or know a better forum to ask in?
[02:49] <jMyles> So I'm having an odd issue.  My server is loosing time.  It is Lucid 64-bit.  It looses about 6 minutes a day.  I found a couple of threads that recommended syncing NTP.  Is there a way I can ensure that it will stay reasonable close to on-time even if it is offlien?
[03:03] <pmatulis> jMyles: try changing your CMOS battery
[03:21] <svdasein> these are the pxelinux appended options I'm using: append initrd=ubuntu-installer/i386/initrd.gz console=ttyS0,9600 --
[03:21] <svdasein> I can see the kernel load, then I can see initrd load, but once the kernel starts (I presume) my terminal screen blanks and all activity stops
[03:22] <svdasein> I've tried numerous permutations on the console= parameter, and I've tried several permutations with earlyprintk - all to no avail
[03:22] <svdasein> I've tried ttyS0-3 - no joy
[03:22] <svdasein> so - I'm puzzled
[03:25] <jMyles> pmatulis: It's not my CMOS battery - the time is accurate in the BIOS, just not in ubuntu
[03:26] <svdasein> you're not running in a vm right jMyles?
[03:32] <jMyles> svdasein: right
[03:33] <svdasein> jMyles: do you have any cpu throttling enabled?
[03:36] <hroberts> can someone help me with an upgrade issue?  I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade, it installed the new kernel.  When I did a reboot, I get GRUBs menu, but no matter which option I choose the server will not boot
[03:37] <hroberts> can someone help me with an upgrade issue?  I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade, it installed the new kernel.  When I did a reboot, I get GRUBs menu, but no matter which option I choose the server will not boot
[03:38] <hroberts> I have reloaded this server 4 times now over the past 2 days and I would like to figure out how to resolve this
[03:40] <hroberts> I am running 10.10 32 bit on an older compaq proliant 1600 series
[03:40] <hroberts> Please can someone help  with this or point me to the group who could
[03:43] <hroberts> no one can help me? is everyone asleep?  I need to get this server operational.
[03:45] <pickett> reinstal from iso?
[03:48] <hroberts> pickett:  from a CD downloaded last night
[03:49] <hroberts> here is the complete issue:
[03:49] <hroberts> I am loading a server that will be a print server, I loaded 10.10 32 bit (it is an older Compaq Proliant 1600 Series) I do an apt-get update and then an apt-get upgrade.  I then reboot the server and everything works fine.  I then do an apt-get dist-upgrade and my kernal goes from <IP_ADDRESS>-generic-pae to <IP_ADDRESS>-generic-pae, it re-writes grub and now no matter which selection I choose either 22 or 24, or either re
[03:49] <hroberts> grub now says msdos instead of ext4 is that the issue?  If so how would I change that
[03:50] <pickett> sounds like grub's the prob
[03:50] <pickett> is it on an ext4 partition?
[03:51] <hroberts> it said it was when I loaded it
[03:52] <hroberts> when I edit the commands in grub for the failure this is what I see:
[03:52] <pickett> next time you install try making a seperate 300mb ext3 partition for /boot
[03:56] <hroberts> redordfail, insmod part_msdos, insmod ext2, set root = '(hd0,msdos1)', search --nofloppy --fs-uuid --set c(realy long #), linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35-24-generic-pae...
[03:56] <hroberts> can I change the grub somehow to allow it to boot?
[04:06] <twb> signs point to yes
[04:06] <twb> Well, it's possible.  Whether YOU can is another question.
[04:11] <hroberts> twb: thanks
[04:12] <twb> Personally I just set up a static extlinux bootloader and kick grub in the pants, but that's not the party line
[04:13] <hroberts> well I guess it is reload # 5 and more then likely again no luck in getting it to work.
[04:16] <thesheff17> hroberts: would make sure the entire disk you are using is wiped clean.  I usually do this gparted.  Also search google for wiping the MBR.  Then I would do what pickett said and create a /boot/ parition on the device so /dev/sda1
[04:17] <thesheff17> hroberts: are you doing any raid stuff?
[04:20] <thesheff17> do most people use apt-get dist-upgrade?  I usually just us apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[04:20] <thesheff17> *use
[04:43] <donvito> how to get down sit0 ?
[04:44] <hroberts> thesheff17: sorry on the server
[04:44] <hroberts> I am doing a hardware raid 5 on this server, I do the dist-upgrade to upgrade the kernel, is there a better way to upgrade the kernel?
[04:45] <hroberts> I wipe the server everytime, I have tried this with both LVM and without it
[04:48] <thesheff17> hroberts: I'm pretty sure apt-get upgrade does the kernel as well...I could be wrong...
[04:50] <thesheff17> hroberts: it says this: dist-upgrade will remove obsolete packages from your system, whereas upgrade will not. This function is out of necessity for upgrading from one distribution release to another.
[04:50] <thesheff17> so apt-get upgrade should do the kernel.
[04:52] <pickett> don't think it does
[04:52] <pickett> aptitude upgrade does
[04:58] <shauno> apt-get upgrade should only upgrade packages which are already installed.  so linux-image-virtual Depends: linux-image-2.6.32-21-virtual, which is a new package (not a new version of linux-image-virtual), so it won't be pulled in automatically
[04:59] <shauno> I just use upgrade, and if there's a new kernel, it'll let me know by telling me linux-virtual & linux-image-virtual have been 'held back'
[05:02] <thesheff17> shauno: yea I only use apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and then I guess I get the new kernel when the new version comes out of ubuntu and wipe the server with the distro cd.
[05:05] <shauno> I tend to fetch them when I know I can schedule a reboot.  especially running LTS, having a 2-year-old kernel isn't always a good plan :)
[05:06] <thesheff17> shauno: so what command do you run to get the new kernel?
[05:08] <shauno> http://paste.ubuntu.com/556437/
[05:09] <shauno> 5-6 tell me there's a new kernel package but it won't be installed by upgrade.
[05:10] <shauno> (18-19 explain why.  linux-image-2.6.32-27-virtual is a 'new' package, not an upgrade to an existing package)
[05:11] <shauno> if they made them new versions of existing packages, dpkg would overwrite / remove the existing package, so you wouldn't have a known-good kernel as a fallback
[05:11] <shauno> which has the potential to really ruin your day
[05:12] <thesheff17> thx for the info..yea I guess I never update the kernel then.
[05:19] <twb> 16:18 !!! ":Gnea!~gnea@unaffiliated/gnea JOIN :#ubuntu-server" (error Invalid search bound (wrong side of point))
[05:19] <twb> ...WTF was that?
[05:19] <Gnea> Hey everyone, I've got a weird problem - I've put ubuntu server 10.04 amd64 onto a 4gb usb stick with unetbootin and booted it - when it boots, it goes through the normal stuff until it tries to mount the device as a cdrom, but it fails
[05:20] <Gnea> twb: probably a problem with your irc client
[05:20] <twb> Somehow the JOIN event borked my channel buffer
[05:20] <twb> Yeah, I just don't see what
[05:20] <twb> It's not like you have a unicode combining digraph in your nick
[05:20] <Gnea> but anyway
[05:21] <Gnea> it's failing to mount the device, how can I fix this?
[05:21] <twb> I don't support unetbootin, but you might like http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[05:21] <Gnea> network installation is not an option at this point
[05:21] <twb> Then I dunno
[05:22] <twb> Maybe you can build a working image with jigdo
[05:22] <Gnea> well, I tried using usb-creator-gtk and it kept getting an i/o error
[05:22] <twb> I don't approve of GUI-based ISO-to-USB converter things.
[05:22] <thesheff17> I used usb-creator-gtk last night w/ 10.04 server and it worked fine
[05:22] <twb> Gnea: ooh.. what version of Ubuntu is your install CD?
[05:22] <twb> Gnea: the ISO you passed to unetbootin, I mean
[05:23] <thesheff17> maybe 4GB is too big?
[05:23] <Gnea> ...
[05:23] <Gnea> 10.04
[05:23] <twb> Darn, too old.
[05:23] <thesheff17> I was using 10.04.1
[05:23] <Gnea> why would 4gb be too big?
[05:23] <Gnea> 10.04 is hardly too old
[05:23] <twb> With maverick onwards, you can convert an ordinary .iso into an image that works DIRECTLY as both a CD and a USB key
[05:23] <Gnea> I see it's trying to use /dev/sr0
[05:23] <twb> Gnea: too old for syslinux 4
[05:24] <Gnea> twb: aaah
[05:24] <twb> I'm surprised Ubuntu doesn't do it officially
[05:24] <Gnea> well this is geared toward a production server, so maverick is out of the question.
[05:24] <twb> Yeah, no worries
[05:25] <pickett> try putting the mini.iso on the usb stick
[05:25] <pickett> then net install
[05:25] <twb> pickett: apparently he has no network
[05:25] <Gnea> I wonder if it's due to a udev rule...
[05:25] <Gnea> yeah, it's off the grid for now
[05:25] <Gnea> it has to be done without the network for now, no choice
[05:27] <pickett> try using the maverick iso creator to create the usb
[05:27] <Gnea> I don't run maverick on any system.
[05:27] <Gnea> 10.04 only
[05:27] <Gnea> is there a backport?
[05:28] <pickett> can't use a live mav cd to do it?
[05:28] <Gnea> don't have a cd.
[05:28] <twb> Which, I suspect, is the crux of the problem
[05:28] <Gnea> it's part of it.
[05:28] <pickett> try it in vmware or vbox
[05:28] <Gnea> it should *just work* with a usb stick
[05:28] <Gnea> not an option.
[05:29] <Gnea> I put backtrack on a 4gb usb stick and it works fine, no problems
[05:29] <Gnea> same with elive
[05:29] <Gnea> so why not ubuntu?
[05:29] <Gnea> hrm, going to try something
[05:30] <gobbe> eh?
[05:31]  * Gnea uses vim
[05:31] <gobbe> i have installed several servers from 4 gig stick
[05:32] <Gnea> gobbe: the udev rules appear to be forcing the actual cdrom drive to be used in lieu of the usb stick
[05:32] <Gnea> !usb
[05:33] <gobbe> hmmh?
[05:33] <gobbe> so you cannot install it from stick?
[05:34] <Gnea> have you not read a single thing I've typed since I entered the channel?
[05:34] <gobbe> well i don't have so long backlog, i'm sorry
[05:34] <Gnea> ah
[05:34] <Gnea> np
[05:34] <Gnea> here...
[05:34] <Gnea> Hey everyone, I've got a weird problem - I've put ubuntu server 10.04 amd64 onto a 4gb usb stick with unetbootin and booted it - when it boots, it goes through the normal stuff until it tries to mount the device as a cdrom, but it fails
[05:34] <Gnea> ^^ original question
[05:35] <Gnea> uvirtbot: shut up
[05:35] <Gnea> I'm hoping that's an official bot
[05:35] <Gnea> ^help
[05:36] <Gnea> ^owner
[05:36] <Gnea> gobbe: make sense now?
[05:36] <gobbe> Gnea: yes, so you cannot install it because it trys to mount your stick as cdrom
[05:37] <gobbe> what kind of stick you are using?
[05:37] <Gnea> gobbe: it tries to mount the cdrom as cdrom, not the stick as cdrom
[05:37] <Gnea> sandisk cruzer blade
[05:38] <Gnea> tough little thing - kick it, drop it, roll over it with a car, it won't die
[05:38] <gobbe> yea
[05:38] <Gnea> yet it can't install ubuntu
[05:38] <Gnea> :)
[05:38] <gobbe> but it's tough ;-(
[05:38] <Gnea> lol
[05:38] <gobbe> ;-) i mean
[05:39] <gobbe> heh
[05:39] <Gnea> yeah
[05:39] <gobbe> hmmh, i sounds like somekind of udev-thing tho. I have used few kingston models without problem
[05:39] <Gnea> hmm
[05:40] <Gnea> I do have a 2g cruzer, that could work
[05:40] <Gnea> it's sandisk, but different model where the connector slides in/out
[05:40] <Gnea> and it lights up
[05:48] <Thirtysixway> where does munin store its data?
[05:48] <Gnea> okay, this is messed up
[05:48] <Thirtysixway> i renamed a node and all its previous data went away :(
[05:48] <Gnea> /dev/sdb1     vfat    1.9G -8.0K  1.9G   -  /media/D3A3-0FFC
[05:48] <Gnea> -8.0k?!
[06:07] <Gnea> well, almost made some progress, but that's only actually made my faith in the installation process become less than what it used to be
[06:08] <Gnea> apparently, if I disconnect the cdrom from the system entirely, the installation will ask me if I want to do it manually - if I do that, it will scan everything on the system EXCEPT for the /dev/sdb1 itself.  It actually considers /dev/sdb, but not /dev/sdb1.
[06:08] <Gnea> This is epic fail.
[06:08] <Gnea> bad ubuntu, BAD!
[06:08]  * Gnea considers kicking to the curb
[06:28] <pickett> can you try getting grub to boot from the iso?
[06:29] <Gnea> pickett: how would that help?
[06:31] <pickett> wouldn't need the usb then
[07:53] <psteyn> Hi.  I get "System information disabled due to load higher than 1" on some of my multi processor/core systems.
[07:54] <psteyn> If anything, shouldn't that message be "System information disabled due to load higher than ${NUMCORES}"
[07:54] <psteyn> As a load of 1 is nothing to my 8 core system.
[07:58] <twb> psteyn: you get it... from what?
[08:02] <psteyn> twb: as I log in, so probably from motd
[08:02] <psteyn> log in via ssh
[08:02] <twb> Ergh
[08:02] <twb> Try grovelling through /etc/update-motd.d
[08:04] <psteyn> found it: 50-landscape-sysinfo will submit a patch
[08:12] <shauno> I've seen that mentioned a few times in here, but bug #675245 (the only one I can find relevant) is untouched
[08:24] <psteyn> shauno: ah ok, then im not going to bother :)
[08:30] <shauno> not even sure if update-motd is the right package to be filed against, it's not on my system  (and that file doesn't appear to exist on packages.ubuntu.com)
[08:33] <psteyn> does /etc/update-motd.d/50-landscape-sysinfo exist on your system?
[08:34] <shauno> nope
[09:28] <ChrisBuchholz> Ey guys. On my ubuntu 10.04.1 server, i have 5 users, 3 of which cannot ssh and 2 where it works (where root is one of em). I havent been able to figure out why, and ssh with the -vv argument doesnt give me anything that could indicate a problem. But i just noticed that in my /etc/passwd, all the users where ssh works have the same numbers in user and group id, whereas the users where it doesnt work have a different number in the user and gro
[09:30] <greppy> ChrisBuchholz: do you have anything showing up in /var/log/auth.log or /var/log/daemon.log ?
[09:31] <ChrisBuchholz> let me check
[09:33] <ChrisBuchholz> greppy: nope, nothing that seems out of order
[09:44] <ChrisBuchholz> greppy: have to go to the store, will be back
[09:57] <dustin> hey
[09:57] <dustin> can i get some help?
[09:57] <psteyn> ask your question dont ask to ask
[09:58] <dustin> just checkin see if someone was here
[10:00] <dustin> i want to remote desktop connection using my htc evo 4g, specs :ubutu10.04 amd64, 2gb drr2 ram 2.1 amd anthon2x
[10:02] <dustin> hello?
[10:22] <jmkgreen> so anyone else seeing "System information disabled due to load higher than 1" on login despite the load being nothing?
[10:25] <IrishWristwatch> jmkgreen, I don't know why it does that either
[10:25] <IrishWristwatch> perhaps the motd takes a while to refresh, and when it was reloaded last the cpu load was higher than one?
[10:26] <jmkgreen> nah this has been ongoing for months on the same boxes
[10:26] <jmkgreen> blooming annoying since it no longer shows any available security updates
[10:27] <IrishWristwatch> blooming?
[10:27] <jmkgreen> flipping
[10:32] <IrishWristwatch> jmkgreen, I think I found it
[10:32] <IrishWristwatch> /etc/update-motd.d/50-landscape-sysinfo
[10:32] <IrishWristwatch> that's the script that updates the sysinfo
[10:36] <IrishWristwatch> however, that doesn't explain why your system has a high load.
[10:36] <jmkgreen> my system does not have a high load
[10:36] <jmkgreen> hence the problem
[10:36] <IrishWristwatch> since it's getting its info from the kernel and it says its greater than one.
[10:36] <jmkgreen> 10:36:43 up 8 days, 23:27,  2 users,  load average: 0.05, 0.12, 0.16
[10:36] <jmkgreen> not high :-)
[10:37] <IrishWristwatch> yeah right now
[10:37] <IrishWristwatch> does it happen every time you log in?
[10:37] <jmkgreen> those scripts in update-motd.d are run by pam
[10:38] <jmkgreen> yes, and after login 'w' still shows no more than 0.4 (as a result of the login)
[10:38] <jmkgreen> it's as if there's a stale file not being overwritten
[10:39] <jmkgreen> if I run ./50-landscape-sysinfo it displays things fine
[10:39] <jmkgreen> I am now running watch on it and I'll login again in another terminal. right now it shows system load of 0.39
[10:40] <jmkgreen> 0.48 it rose to and now it's coming back down
[10:40] <soren> Daviey: Do you have any reservations <some sort of preposition, not sure which> my uploading a fresh Nova to Natty?
[10:42] <jmkgreen> wtf
[10:42] <jmkgreen> why is "Cornish (kw)" an english language choice in launchpad?
[10:42] <jmkgreen> someone taking the piss?
[10:44] <IrishWristwatch> lol
[10:44] <jmkgreen> jgreenso6bkpdSB1Dcav5ztaRORa
[10:44] <jmkgreen> oops ww
[10:44] <IrishWristwatch> that your password?
[10:47] <jmkgreen> that was my launchpad password (now reset)
[10:48] <IrishWristwatch> :P
[10:48] <jmkgreen> keypass auto-type. first time I'd used it
[10:48] <jmkgreen> going to ask a question about this load display issue
[10:48] <IrishWristwatch> you should use ssh keys for your box
[10:49] <IrishWristwatch> well
[10:49] <IrishWristwatch> do you want it to display or do you want to know why it's having this issue?
[10:49] <IrishWristwatch> because you could probably change the value in that script to accept a higher system load
[10:53] <jmkgreen> IrishWristwatch: I just adjusted it to read if [ $(echo "`cut -f1 -d ' ' /proc/loadavg` < 2.0" | bc) -eq 1 ]; then - but it still happens
[10:53] <IrishWristwatch> check your /etc/motd
[10:54]  * soren sighs at that check.
[10:54] <IrishWristwatch> wait
[10:54] <jmkgreen> soren: something I did?
[10:54] <IrishWristwatch> nvm >_>
[10:54] <IrishWristwatch> I forgot
[10:54] <soren> jmkgreen: No, something whoever wrote that did.
[10:54] <jmkgreen> soren: not brilliantly written then?
[10:54] <jmkgreen> can't say I'm a shell scripting guy
[10:55]  * soren isn't impressed, no
[10:55] <jmkgreen> heh
[10:55] <jmkgreen> fair enough
[10:55] <soren> if grep -q ^0 /proc/loadavg; then foo; else bar; fi
[10:55] <IrishWristwatch> yeah this whole motd thing seems very fickle
[10:55] <soren> How hard is that?
[10:55] <IrishWristwatch> and the ubuntu wiki isn't helping much at all
[10:56] <jmkgreen> IrishWristwatch: indeed
[10:56] <jmkgreen> soren: there was a bug somewhere to make it check if the load was less than the number of cpu cores found
[10:56] <jmkgreen> someone pointing out that on an 8-core box a load of 2 wasn't necessarily a problem :-)
[10:57] <IrishWristwatch> alright goodnight
[11:01] <soren> jmkgreen: That's simple to adjust for. I'm still saving 4 clone(2) calls.
[11:09] <soren> jmkgreen: maxload=1; currentload=$(cut -f1 -d. < /proc/loadavg); if [ $currentload -lt $maxload]; then win; else lose; fi
[11:11] <jmkgreen> while that might be desirable, that doesn't help my issue
[11:12] <jmkgreen> still says the load is higher than 1, which it isn't
[11:14] <soren> Can you just make it output what's in /proc/loadavg?
[11:16] <jmkgreen> I've modified the text that read 'System information disabled due toload higher than 1' to read 'System information disabled due toload higher than foo'
[11:16] <jmkgreen> the original text was still sent to displat
[11:16] <jmkgreen> so that script is just not being executed
[11:16] <soren> Yeah, I forget when update-motd gets run.
[11:17] <soren> Allegedly, "Executable  scripts  in /etc/update-motd.d/* are executed by pam_motd(8) as the root user at each login"
[11:18] <jmkgreen> er
[11:18] <jmkgreen> jamesg@blofeld:/etc/update-motd.d$ ./20-cpu-checker
[11:18] <jmkgreen> exec: 3: /usr/lib/update-notifier/update-motd-cpu-checker: not found
[11:18] <jmkgreen> that probably causes the rest to fail and for nothing to be written to the motd file
[11:19] <soren> That's not unlikely.
[11:20] <jmkgreen> ah ha!
[11:20] <jmkgreen> sudo apt-get install update-notifier-common is the magic to fix all things
[11:22] <soren> jmkgreen: Cool. Filed bug 705828.
[11:24] <jmkgreen> soren: ta, I'll leave you lot alone now. Thanks for the help.
[12:10] <Blinkiz> Hi there. Am working at a ISP that has IPv6 enabled everywhere. We use Router Advertisements to bring out information about two routers (gateways) to the client.
[12:11] <Blinkiz> In linux world, RA makes the machine   (client) create it's own address based on the mac number. But what if I want to create something myself, but still listen auto set gateways?
[12:12] <Blinkiz> Let's say I want 2a02:470:0:1::19 instead of 2a02:470:0:1:5652:ff:fe17:dc7b. How can I make this happen?
[12:12] <Blinkiz> Announced net is 2a02:470:0:1::/64
[12:12] <patdk-lap> heh
[12:12] <Blinkiz> Anyone here using IPv6 to start with?
[12:12] <patdk-lap> that would be the difference between ra and dhcp
[12:13] <Blinkiz> patdk-lap, yeah, but RA makes the client choose it's own address. I guess I can control this some way=
[12:14] <Blinkiz> Control this on the client of course. Which is a ubuntu system
[12:16] <_ruben> there's probably some sysctl to disable slaac, or just don't advertize the prefix on your routers
[12:17] <Blinkiz> _ruben, The advertisement contains important information about gateways in the network. So I still need to listen to RA. "slaac" you say. A keyword! Let's try that in google :)
[12:20] <_ruben> Blinkiz: i didnt say "disable the advertisements", i said "disable the *prefix* advertisements", which would result in a default gateway being configured on the clients, but not a autoconfig (slaac) address
[12:20] <Blinkiz> _ruben, Hmm. interesting
[12:21] <Blinkiz> _ruben, anyway, I can not disable the prefix announcement. :)
[12:22] <mianosm> Doing a minimal install of 11.04 still seems to yield a high amount of installed packages, is the initative to create a "true" minimal install still happening?
[12:22] <Blinkiz> I will look more into how slaac behaves and how I can control it on the client. But I need to handle a support ticket at the moment. Need to get back to this in a couple of minutes or so
[12:26] <_ruben> might wanna look into /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/accept_ra_defrtr and /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/accept_ra
[12:27] <_ruben> not sure if enabling the first works when disabling the second
[12:28] <shaggy2> anyone know what is needed to setup a DNS Server? like how I register it or what I need to do to enable people to acutaly find the DNS to resolve the Domain?
[12:30] <mianosm> shaggy2: you want to setup bind9 and use the server as your own personal dns server?
[12:31] <mianosm> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/dns.html
[12:31] <shaggy2> well sort of, I aint sure what u mean by personal dns server, basicly I am setting up a hosting company, and I want to be able to use the dns server installed with my hosting package (ispCP
[12:31] <shaggy2> and I am using 10.10
[12:31] <mianosm> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/dns-installation.html
[12:32] <_ruben> shaggy2: when you buy/register a domainname, you have to provided the registrar with a list of dns servers, those dns servers will be running bind/unbound/pdns/whatever, and ppl will be directed to them automagically through the glue records
[12:32] <shaggy2> ahhh
[12:32] <shaggy2> thank you, that is what I wasn't sure on
[12:32]  * _ruben takes note not to buy hosting services from shaggy2
[12:32] <shaggy2> hey I am only setting up
[12:33] <_ruben> "learn first, do later" tends to work best, tho it's not commonly acted out
[12:33] <shaggy2> basicly before I SELL hosting I will have set this up about 20 times atleast and tested with mine and my mates
[12:33] <shaggy2> I am learning
[12:33] <shaggy2> the way I learn is by doing
[12:33] <shaggy2> it's not actualy public yet
[12:33] <_ruben> ok :)
[12:33] <shaggy2> I have my Domain and my mates
[12:34] <mianosm> best of luck to you shaggy2! _ruben, wouldn't setting up a primary and secondary master be enough for what he's looking to do?
[12:35] <shaggy2> but no actual public connections coming in, I never even thought of using my own DNS but then I thought it would be easier if customers would be able to use the hosting panel to setup the dns records on there own domain
[12:35] <shaggy2> brb
[12:37] <_ruben> what's the domain?
[12:38] <shaggy2> shaggyweb.net and cjg-designs.net shaggyweb aint working I was getting DOS attacks so my ISP decided to shove me back on a dynamic IP while they take my static and find the fella, got work back that he is located in NSW Australia
[12:39] <shaggy2> he was routing it through about 5 sep proxies, and I don't know why he was trying to go at me, bloody little shit
[12:39] <mianosm> he was able to use 5 proxies and DoS you from one source? IPTables couldn't kill it?
[12:40] <shaggy2> ok back
[12:40] <shaggy2> well that was silly
[12:40] <shaggy2> lol
[12:40] <_ruben> depending on the type of dos, iptables wont be of use
[12:41] <shaggy2> but ok so my understanding is, I change the dns server to my own with the register, and then my DNS Server would work
[12:41] <_ruben> if it's setup properly, yes
[12:41] <shaggy2> ok thanks ruben
[12:41] <shaggy2> will test it once I get my static back
[12:42] <shaggy2> I know it's stupid to do it, but can the primary and secondary be hosted on the same server?
[12:42] <shaggy2> atm I only have 1 server and 1 IP
[12:42] <_ruben> then again, doing *any* "serious" hosting on a consumer internet connection is asking for trouble
[12:43] <shaggy2> I will have fiber this time next year, and I am planning on using that for the REAL hosting, just wanted to get it setup and learn what I need to now
[12:43] <_ruben> having only 1 dns server is far from being recommended either, then again, if the dns server is only used for domains that are hosted on the same server, then it doesnt matter (if dns is down, the site is as well, so dns doesnt matter anymore)
[12:44] <_ruben> and there's several free dns services out there, including ones that allow you to run your own master and have them slave for you
[12:44] <shaggy2> I currently have bind installed
[12:51] <Blinkiz> Hi again. In my quest of knowledge about how to decided my IPv6 address, I have found a great topic to start my search from. All the people that do not like that the MAC address is the second part of a IPv6 address in linux. If I can find out how to control this, I will find my solution
[12:52] <Blinkiz> So, the net is announced with RA messages and each client creates is own address based on the MAC number. How can I control this? For example, in the Windows world, they have some kind of generator to set a unique MAC number without using the MAC number.
[12:52] <Blinkiz> A few keyword within the topic would be great.
[12:54] <_ruben> Blinkiz: /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr .. temporary addresses and privacy extensions are the keywords here
[12:54] <Blinkiz> _ruben, nice :)
[12:55] <_ruben> Blinkiz: another hint: there's also #ipv6 ;)
[12:56] <Blinkiz> Ohh ;)
[12:56] <Blinkiz> what can I say.. "ubuntu geek"
[12:56] <Blinkiz> Need to include... eehh.. "linux" in my world.. hehe
[13:54] <spajderix> hi
[13:54] <patdk-wk> hello
[13:57] <spajderix> how can i check what is blocking my os and making my proc stay in average 98% wait-io state?
[13:58] <patdk-wk> a harddrive :)
[13:58] <patdk-wk> iostat
[13:58] <mianosm> top?
[13:58] <binBASH> hi patdk-wk
[13:59] <spajderix> mianosm: top along with htop show lot of process with state D, but these processes work most of the time normally, this wait-io spike happens once every few minutes and stays up to 2 minutes, so it's hard for me to find a cause
[14:00] <spajderix> iotop show no more activity during wait-io spikes than in normal work state
[14:00] <patdk-wk> most likely a drive had bad sectors
[14:00] <patdk-wk> dmesg?
[14:00] <patdk-wk> run smart selftests on your drives?
[14:02] <spajderix> patdk-wk: dmesg shows something like this: http://pastebin.com/5NzmMw74
[14:02] <RoAkSoAx> Morning all!!
[14:03] <patdk-wk> nice, something is crashing :)
[14:03] <spajderix> patdk-wk: is there a way to tell what exactly, or at least is it software or hardware?
[14:03] <binBASH> pickup, you run postfix? ;)
[14:04] <mianosm> Here might be some interesting info for you as well: http://nixcraft.com/linux-software/431-what-i-o-wait-under-ps-command.html
[14:04] <spajderix> binBASH: yup
[14:04] <binBASH> spajderix: so that one is crashing
[14:05] <binBASH> spajderix: maybe some big mail in queue?
[14:05] <mianosm> ps -wauxf
[14:05] <spajderix> mianosm: thanks for link
[14:06] <mianosm> Seemingly the databases usually cause the issue, if you're pulling addresses from a db to process through postfix maybe?
[14:06] <mianosm> Those D statuses suck, but ps -wauxf should be a good visual for the issue possibly
[14:07] <spajderix> let me describe the specs to give a better overview: it's 4x core processor (Intel or something), 4GB RAM running apache,postfix,courier,mysql and configured via ispconfig
[14:07] <spajderix> mianosm: and yes, postfix is taking auth data from mysql
[14:08] <mianosm> lshw -html > specs.html
[14:08] <\sh> spajderix: dstat is also a good indicator of problems....most likely you have a disk problem or cpu 0/core 0 is under heavy load and let interrupts sequentially through or you have a real cpu problem or memory
[14:08] <binBASH> moin \sh :)
[14:09] <\sh> hey binBASH
[14:12] <binBASH> \sh: I just received mail 5 of my system will be delivered today ;)
[14:13] <\sh> binBASH: congrats :) send some pics when they arrive :)
[14:13] <binBASH> in end of february ;)
[14:13] <binBASH> The provider will setup all machines and place them in rack you know
[14:14] <binBASH> I will go to datacenter in mid./end of February
[14:14] <patdk-wk> and burn them down?
[14:15] <binBASH> no
[14:16] <binBASH> I will move some machines from old datacenter and place them in the rack as well
[14:17] <spajderix> mianosm: lshw -html http://dl.dropbox.com/u/140067/specs.html
[14:17] <binBASH> patdk-wk: http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/
[14:17] <binBASH> In some months I will need some of those ;)
[14:17] <patdk-wk> heh
[14:19] <patdk-wk> binbash, don't want to just go with something more stable: http://www.nexsan.com/satabeast.php?
[14:19] <hroberts> can someone who is good with grub help me with this wierd issue.  WHen booting my server ubuntu 10.10 with <IP_ADDRESS> kernel, the server will not boot.  If I rebbot and go to the grub menu, press c for the command and then manually linux the vmlinuz-2.6.35-24-generic-pae file, and then initrd the same file, I can press esc, and select the kernel and it boots every time.  Is there something I can add to grub to resolve
[14:20] <binBASH> patdk-wk: And it costs 3 or 4 times more? ;)
[14:20] <patdk-wk> probably, but is redundant, and has fc :)
[14:20] <patdk-wk> so it's not limited to a single computer using it
[14:21] <hroberts> can someone who is good with grub help me with this wierd issue.  WHen booting my server ubuntu 10.10 with <IP_ADDRESS> kernel, the server will not boot.  If I rebbot and go to the grub menu, press c for the command and then manually linux the vmlinuz-2.6.35-24-generic-pae file, and then initrd the same file, I can press esc, and select the kernel and it boots every time.  Is there something I can add to grub to resolve
[14:21] <binBASH> patdk-wk: What you mean with being redundant, the power supply? ;)
[14:21] <patdk-wk> no, psu, controllers, network, fc, drives, ...
[14:21] <binBASH> ahh ;)
[14:22] <binBASH> patdk-wk: well, here I will take 2 or 3 of the boxes for being redundant. Wanna use ceph as software with radosgw
[14:22] <patdk-wk> the issue I have with backblaze units, you would have to have drbd between two of them, incase one died
[14:23] <binBASH> patdk-wk: http://ceph.newdream.net/
[14:23] <binBASH> no drbd needed
[14:25] <hroberts> can someone who is good with grub help me with this wierd issue.  WHen booting my server ubuntu 10.10 with <IP_ADDRESS> kernel, the server will not boot.  If I rebbot and go to the grub menu, press c for the command and then manually linux the vmlinuz-2.6.35-24-generic-pae file, and then initrd the same file, I can press esc, and select the kernel and it boots every time.  Is there something I can add to grub to resolve
[14:26] <binBASH> hroberts: provide grub.conf in a paste
[14:27] <compdoc> so glad you keep pasting that question before the last paste scrolls off the window - otherwise Id never know you asked it
[14:27] <binBASH> lol compdoc
[14:28] <hroberts> binBASH: please remind me where grub.conf is located at
[14:28] <Japje> locate grub.conf
[14:28] <twb> hroberts: /boot/grub/menu.lst or grub.conf, depending on age.
[14:29] <binBASH> what twb said
[14:29] <Yale> what's the difference between the ubuntu enterprise cloud and server?
[14:30] <twb> Yale: a few letters
[14:30] <Yale> basically no difference?
[14:30] <compdoc> the cloud is still evolving - seems to be many things
[14:30] <binBASH> Yale: if you chose ubuntu server you can still build a uec with it ;)
[14:31] <hroberts> #
[14:31] <hroberts> # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE
[14:31] <hroberts> #
[14:31] <hroberts> # It is automatically generated by grub-mkconfig using templates
[14:31] <hroberts> # from /etc/grub.d and settings from /etc/default/grub
[14:31] <compdoc> but it seems to me to be mainly user access to your server from anywhere
[14:31] <patdk-wk> yay, people might learn to use pastebin
[14:31] <twb> compdoc: you mean, like, ssh?
[14:31]  * twb grumbles
[14:31] <Yale> I'm currently installing it and wondering whether to choose UEC or default server
[14:32] <Yale> but frankly, I don't know the difference between the two
[14:32] <compdoc> it seems mainly gui thru a browser
[14:32] <patdk-wk> in this context, cloud means to run and manage a cluster of virtual servers
[14:32] <patdk-wk> where server means to install and run on bare metal
[14:33] <binBASH> patdk-wk: you can still build a cloud with ubuntu server. I did this once.
[14:33] <twb> compdoc: I mean that if the only reason you use the cloud is to "access your server from anywhere", you should blooy use sshd :-/
[14:33] <patdk-wk> yes you can :)
[14:33] <binBASH> hroberts: use a pastie
[14:33] <binBASH> and send us the link
[14:33] <hroberts> sorry that was the wrong paste, what is the best way to show it
[14:33] <patdk-wk> !pastebinit
[14:33] <hroberts> what is a pastie
[14:34] <Yale> you could do that with the default one - using webmin, right? Anyway, it's easier to setup UEC it seems
[14:34] <patdk-wk> cat /etc/grub/grub.conf | pastebinit
[14:35] <patdk-wk> hmm, I don't think uec and webmin have anyhting in common
[14:35] <binBASH> Yale: With UEC it's possible to build your own private cloud which is compatible to Amazon EC2
[14:35] <patdk-wk> uec manages servers, webmin manages a server
[14:35] <Yale> I don't want to use amazon's cloud. More or less my own private cloud
[14:36] <patdk-wk> uec is a clone of amazon's cloud, on your own hardware
[14:36] <hroberts> here is the link: http://pastebin.com/1fyh1eif
[14:37] <Yale> mmk, thanks. Is the UEC more user friendly to setup or?
[14:38] <patdk-wk> heh?
[14:38] <patdk-wk> more user friendly? compared to what?
[14:38] <Yale> to the barebones ubuntu server installation
[14:38] <binBASH> Yale: it's more user friendly than installing ubuntu server and afterwards uec from packages I think
[14:39] <JanC> there is nothing easier to set up than the "barebones" Ubuntu server  ;)
[14:39] <Yale> not for a noob I'm afraid :p
[14:39] <patdk-wk> if you mean is it more friendly to setup a website on uec or ubuntu server, they don't compare
[14:39] <patdk-wk> you setup uec, then you have to setup ubuntu server inside it
[14:40] <Yale> not a website. Personal server
[14:40]  * patdk-wk wonders if yale knows what ec2 is
[14:40] <hroberts> it is a grub.cfg file not conf, I believe it is grub2 maybe?
[14:40] <binBASH> hroberts: we need your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[14:40] <Yale> amazon cloud, if I understood it right...
[14:40] <JanC> hroberts: yes, it's for grub2
[14:41] <binBASH> Yale, do you know how to use Amazon EC2? :)
[14:41] <zul> Daviey: bug #697753
[14:41] <Yale> nope
[14:41] <JanC> binBASH: menu.lst is not used for GRUB2...
[14:41] <patdk-wk> yale, how many servers do you have?
[14:42] <hroberts> binBASH: file doesn't exist
[14:42] <Yale> first time I'm trying more or less
[14:42] <binBASH> JanC: Ok, maybe you can help him then, I don't use grub2
[14:43] <binBASH> Yale: Maybe tell us first what you're trying to achieve ;)
[14:44] <JanC> heh, now he's gone...
[14:45] <binBASH> JanC: Maybe he doesn't know how to use irc probably
[14:45] <Yale> hehe :) Basically my own home server to store stuff in - kind of like WHS
[14:45] <zul> Daviey: do you want a bzr branch for that one so it can get off my release radar?
[14:45] <JanC> Yale: sounds like you want de normal Ubuntu Server then
[14:45] <Yale> I would also like to setup an ssh server on it
[14:47] <JanC> maybe there are some Ubuntu Server remixes/derivatives that provide similar functionality to WHS
[14:47] <binBASH> Yale: You know UEC, is something very different. It is for controlling a pool of servers, where people can request virtualized resources on demand. Also the Virtual Machines will get destroyed when they are shutdown or crash. I think you don't want that
[14:47] <compdoc> he doesnt want to manage server farms, he wants cloud benefits
[14:48] <compdoc> applications
[14:48] <Yale> I thought of UEC more or less as the "controlling" server to manage the computers in its network
[14:48] <binBASH> Yale: No it's not
[14:51] <Yale> like citrix. Anyway, is it a bad idea to do a test install using virtualbox?
[14:51] <JanC> depends what you mean by citrix  ;)
[14:52] <Yale> citrix xenapp I think
[14:53] <zul> smoser: around? whats the status on #684875 and #656646?
[14:54] <smoser> bug 684875 is fix-released, i'm mostly certain. i have to test for sure when i386 images boot again for cloud -init
[14:55] <smoser> bug 656646 is  most likely just networking issues (on my link from here to amazon during testing)
[14:55] <Yale> and should I choose x86 or x64? Apparently ubuntu recommends x64, but I don't know why
[14:57] <smoser> for server x86_64 is obvious choice (if your hardware supports it)
[14:57] <Yale> it does, but why is it the obvious choice?
[14:57] <smoser> the primary reason is that if you chose x86, you cannot run x86_64 software (including virtual machines)
[14:58] <smoser> the only reason you would ever chose i386 is if a.) your hardware didn't support it b.) flash was the most important thing in your life.
[14:58] <patdk-wk> strange, I run 64bit vm's on my 32bit host os, not that I would want to, and plan to *fix* it, as soon as I can
[14:58] <smoser> and b really isn't true so much any  more (i run flash on amd64 and haven't noticed issues in a long time)
[14:58] <smoser> at least under kvm and linux i think you will not get hardware virutalization help in the 64 bit guests
[14:59] <smoser> i suppose i could be wrong though
[14:59] <soren> patdk-wk: 32 bit host kernel?
[14:59] <patdk-wk> yep
[14:59] <patdk-wk> 2.6.32-27-generic-pae
[14:59] <patdk-wk> on the host
[14:59] <soren> I can't imagine you would get hardware acceleration, then.
[14:59] <soren> I know you didn't used to, and I cannot fathom how that could be "fixed".
[15:00] <patdk-wk> I dunno how it would work without hardware acceleration
[15:00] <soren> The CPU isn't in long mode, so the VM's coulnd't be either.
[15:00] <soren> patdk-wk: Very, very slowly.
[15:00] <patdk-wk> pretty sure 64bit requires it, period
[15:00] <soren> patdk-wk: Not at all.
[15:00] <soren> QEmu can emulate amd64 just fine.
[15:00] <patdk-wk> ya, I didn't think it would work at all, myself
[15:00] <patdk-wk> using vmware workstation :)
[15:01] <soren> Oh.
[15:01] <patdk-wk> it doesn't emulate 64bit
[15:02] <soren> Fascinating.
[15:03] <soren> patdk-wk: On Linux, I presume?
[15:03] <patdk-wk> ya
[15:03] <patdk-wk> running win7 x64 inside lucid
[15:04] <patdk-wk> for those times work requires me to test something, using office :(
[15:05] <soren> I suppose they could switch to long mode, run the VM for a time slice, and switch back.
[15:05] <soren> Sounds dreadful, though.
[15:13] <soren> Turns out that's what they do.
[15:13] <soren> Live and learn.
[15:14] <soren> patdk-wk: You'll get better performance out of it by running a 64 bit host kernel, though.
[15:14] <patdk-wk> ya, I know
[15:14] <patdk-wk> I just think it will take me a day or two to switch
[15:14] <patdk-wk> and haven't had time yet
[15:15] <patdk-wk> that is the only 32bit host machine I have left
[15:30] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: ping
[15:34] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: pong
[15:34] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hey man
[15:34] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: heya! what's up?
[15:34] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: did some powernap testing with my watt meter
[15:35] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i'm testing version 1.12-0ubuntu1
[15:35] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: seems to be working well on my hardware
[15:35] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: cool :), does it really reduce power consumption when turning off corse?
[15:35] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: it's a little Asus PC installed with Ubuntu Natty Server
[15:35] <RoAkSoAx> s/corse/cores
[15:36] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: at idle, with powernap disabled, consumes 53W of power
[15:36] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: 2 cpus, AMDs
[15:36] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: with powernap enabled, and running, idles at 46.5W of power
[15:36] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: in powersave mode
[15:37] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: that's 12%!
[15:37] <RoAkSoAx> nice!!
[15:38] <RoAkSoAx> that like 6.5W, which is good
[15:38] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i'd like to test the other monitors
[15:38] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: can you push that newer package?
[15:38] <RoAkSoAx> though I'm sure that there's other ways to reduce it even more (probably tunning the speed of fans and things like that)
[15:38] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: yeah, but that might damage a system if you do it wrong
[15:39] <patdk-wk> yay, that would save almost 1usd per month
[15:39] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i found a couple of minor issues (i don't think you necessarily introduced them though)
[15:39] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: the WoL thing ...
[15:39] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: so i tried using the wake on lan function from my router to bring the system out of powernap-powersave mode
[15:40] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: the latest is already in the trunk. (and I'm actually improving the WoL as we speak)
[15:40] <kirkland> 2011-01-20_23:55:22 DEBUG    Starting WoL monitor
[15:40] <kirkland> 2011-01-20_23:55:22 DEBUG        WoL monitor started at port [7]
[15:40] <kirkland> 2011-01-20_23:57:59 DEBUG        WoL packet received from <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:40] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: it detected the packet, which is good
[15:40] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ok....
[15:40] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: and <IP_ADDRESS> is my router, which is where it came from
[15:41] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: but it did not raise it out of powernaping
[15:41] <zul> Daviey: the snaphsot of openstack is getting quite stale so im planning of doing an update once launchpad is fixed
[15:41] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: so the logging didn't continue?
[15:41] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: here's the log:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/556543/
[15:42] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: look around those timestamps ^ 2011-01-20_23:57:59
[15:42] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: you'll see that it doesn't do anything with the WoL packet it gets from <IP_ADDRESS>.... however, it *does* wake up from <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:43] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i'm going to file a couple of bugs to keep track of these
[15:43] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: <IP_ADDRESS> is powerwake
[15:43] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: yes
[15:44] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yeah, so what I'm guessing here is that the router is using another technique to create the WoL Monitor, which is different WoL data than the one sent from powerwake
[15:44] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: so let's say the router sends a WoL packet such as: 1234 and powerwake sends a wol packet such as: 123456
[15:46] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: so powernap uses eth0 mac, to generate "Wol Data" and then compares with the received one. If it does match, then it takes recover action. Now, given that the function I use to generate that "WoL Data" is the same as the one powerwake uses to create the WoL packet, then that's why it wakes up with powerwake and not with the router
[15:48] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay, i'm testing a bunch of WoL utilities now
[15:48] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i think we should try to make it work with most (all?) of them
[15:49] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: otherwise, it's not really "wake on lan" ... is something that specific to powernap/powerwake
[15:50] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: let's compare the wol data that other utilities generate against the one powerwake generates
[15:51] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: if powerwake generates the same data as the other utilities, then it will work
[15:51] <RoAkSoAx> or at least it should
[16:00] <patdk-wk> hmm, wol is pretty simple
[16:01] <patdk-wk> it's just 6 FF's followed by the mac addres 16x times
[16:01] <patdk-wk> nothing else, so you have to search the data of all packets and locate that
[16:01] <patdk-wk> generating that should be a no-brainer
[16:02] <RoAkSoAx> patdk-wk: yeah apparently there
[16:02] <RoAkSoAx> there might be something wrong in the data generation aalgorithm, that's something that I'll figure out in a bit
[16:03] <patdk-wk> the only issue I could think of, is if the other wol sender isnt using l4 packets
[16:05] <RoAkSoAx> patdk-wk: what powerwake does it generates the wol data and sends a broadcast packet. Then in PowerNap "WolMonitor", it receives that broadcast, and takes the data out and compares, by generating wol data of the local interface against the received data
[16:05] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/powernap/+bug/705943
[16:08] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: what I'm assuming right now is that powerwake's wol packet is different from all packets generated by the other tools
[16:09] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: I'll confirm that in a bit
[16:11] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay, question ...
[16:11] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: about the network monitor ...
[16:12] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: it just looks for any traffic on port 22 (or whatever you configure), right?
[16:12] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yes, it binds the port you configure it (UDP though)
[16:15] <patdk-wk> hmm, on the join, mac * 20, repeats the mac 20 times?
[16:15] <patdk-wk> wol spec says 16 only is required
[16:15]  * patdk-wk doesn't know python :)
[16:16] <hggdh> JamesPage: good morning, I had to change run-test.py -- I was getting a TypeError when writing the attachments: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/556558/
[16:16] <hggdh> JamesPage: the change @617 is the one I am talking about
[16:24] <patdk-wk> ya, that is exactly the issue
[16:25] <patdk-wk> data = ''.join(['FFFFFFFFFFFF', mac * 16]) will fix it
[16:27] <patdk-wk> after that, the next issue will be the recv_wol_msg == local_wol_data
[16:28] <patdk-wk> you need to search recv_wol_msg for local_wol_data, if it exists, anywhere in recv_wol_msg, then it matchs
[16:31] <patdk-wk> recv_wol_msg.find(local_wol_data), maybe?
[16:54] <zul> Daviey: ok new nova snapshot in the archive
[17:18] <claw> hello there i want to change to langue or better the whole location setting for my server
[17:18] <claw> how to do this ?
[17:18] <claw> forn en_EN to de_DE
[17:21] <claw> i have just installed 'language-pack-de' but dont know how to set it as default
[18:24] <zul> SpamapS: patches accepted ;)
[18:29] <SpamapS> zul: w00t w00t
[18:37] <RoAkSoAx> congrats!!
[19:06] <donvitoo> how to disable sit0 ipv6 down
[19:11] <lephisto> greetings to everyone..
[19:12] <lephisto> i have a problem with the libopenais-dev.. any1 up for this?
[19:13] <lephisto> i have the feeling that in lucid /usr/lib/openais is missing
[19:18] <lephisto> ah problem solved i think. unlike debian they're in /usr/lib not /usr/lib/openais.
[19:28] <antii> hell-o
[19:30] <Wolfsherz> hi, on each reboot the init-script of apache2 has zero bytes and a file apache2.1 is generated out of nowhere... needless to say that service apache2 start does not work, and i have to rename that apache2.1 after each restart to apache2... whats up with this?
[19:30] <Wolfsherz> running ubuntu 10.04 server
[19:30] <antii> looking for some help with hardware for a nas/shell, http server. atom/i3? ram etc.
[19:31] <gamla_kossan> hey people
[19:31] <gamla_kossan> got a really weird one today; did an apt-get update, got this:
[19:31] <gamla_kossan> W: GPG error: http://se.archive.ubuntu.com lucid-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:32] <gamla_kossan> anyone able to help me fix this?
[19:33] <lephisto> need help trying to compile clvm againt openais
[19:48] <pmatulis> gamla_kossan: try again or use a different mirror
[19:49] <gamla_kossan> pmatulis: I did, with a danish mirror, got the same error
[20:03] <lephisto> root@xen1:/etc# /etc/init.d/clvm start
[20:03] <lephisto>  * Starting Cluster LVM Daemon clvm
[20:03] <lephisto>    ...done.
[20:03] <lephisto>  * Activating VGs vgsas1 vgtest
[20:03] <lephisto> ups ww
[20:06] <RoAkSoAx> kirk/win 4
[20:06] <RoAkSoAx> pffffff
[20:46] <Ademan> does anyone know about how much a default install of ubuntu-server (10.04) will take up? I'm pressed for disk space and I need to create a VM image large enough for ubuntu + some working room, but like I said, I don't have much disk space to sacrifice in the host
[20:49] <qman__> Ademan, the base install consumes ~850MB
[20:50] <qman__> you will want at least 1.5GB though if you plan on updating or installing any software
[20:51] <Ademan> qman__: thanks
[20:51] <Ademan> can I shrink qemu images after the fact? (safely?)
[20:52] <qman__> I don't know, sorry
[20:52] <Ademan> it's alright, it's a bit offtopic here anyways, thanks again :-)
[22:11] <acicula> using 10.10, qemu,libvirt and sh. after creating a xml domain file i attempted to use attach-disk to register a cdrom device. virsh  fails with an unknown error, logs point to apparmor needing an addition to the profile for the vm. But the apparmor profile is tagged as being autogenerated by libvirt. How ddo i make libvirt push an update to apparmor?
[22:12] <jdstrand> acicula: adjust either /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/libvirt-qemu or /etc/apparmor.d/libvirt/libvirt-<uuid>
[22:13] <jdstrand> acicula: the former will make the change to all guests, the latter just the guest with the uuid
[22:13] <acicula> jdstrand: yeah that works.
[22:13] <acicula> jdstrand: point is that the libvirt-uuid file is tagged to be updated by virsh
[22:14] <jdstrand> libvirt-uuid.files is rewritten each time, libvirt-uuid is only on creation
[22:14] <acicula> ah gotcha, thanx
[22:16] <acicula> hmm .files is also listed  as managed by libvirt
[22:32] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: ping?
[22:43] <aljosa> ubuntu 11.04 will distribute postgres v9.0 or v9.1?
[22:48] <acicula> aljosa: there isnt even a 9.1 version out yet
[22:49] <acicula> aljosa: http://www.postgresql.org/developer/roadmap
[22:49] <acicula> The next release of PostgreSQL is planned to be the 9.1 release. A tentative schedule for this version has a release in the third quarter of 2011.
[22:49] <Pici> Third quarter is a bit late for an April release.
[22:51] <acicula> i was just thinking that too
[22:56] <aljosa> thanks for info
[23:01] <ChrisBuchholz> Hey guys. I have a problem on my 10.04.1 server where some of the users cannot ssh in. If i use the -vv argument, i get no errors, outputs just stops right before it goes to "logged in"-output with the users that does work. I have tried setting the loglevel of sshd to debug3, but didnt tell me more. I have noticed that the users where it works's user id and group id (looking in /etc/passwd) is equal to each other, whereas the ones that doesnt
[23:23] <RoyK> - bigjools [~quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[23:24] <RoyK> ops
[23:24] <savid> Does mysql-client use editline now instead of readline?    I had Page Up mapped to "history-search-backward" in my .inputrc, and it's not working in mysql.  Is there a way to do that with .editrc?
[23:25] <RoyK> try #mysql
[23:26] <savid> RoyK:  well, this is more a question about how mysql is configured with ubuntu by default -- just trying to figure out which input lib it is configured to use on ubuntu server.
[23:27] <RoyK> iirc from this test box on 10.10, mysql client uses readline
[23:27] <RoyK> just ldd it
[23:27] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: pong, sup?
[23:27] <RoyK> s/iirc/afacs/ :P
[23:41] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: trying to get cobbler running but I just completely broke my system... :)
[23:42] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: oh?
[23:43] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: I had no trouble on a natty vm
[23:43] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: mine, 1st, wans't able to recognize httpd running after sudo cobbler check
[23:44] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: are you trying to install it in a chroot? That failed for me.
[23:44] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: nope, I didn't ... I think there's also a bug somewhere else that helped to screw things up
[23:44] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: will reinstall this weekend and try again
[23:46] <anternat> what version?
[23:46] <RoAkSoAx> anternat: of what?
[23:46] <anternat> yr server distro?
[23:46] <RoAkSoAx> natty
[23:47] <anternat> ok
[23:47]  * RoAkSoAx gone for the day
[23:47] <anternat> cyaz all bye


[03:38] <GTRsdk> hi
[03:39] <GTRsdk> what is the package name of the sound applet in the lxde bar?
[03:42] <GTRsdk> it allows people ot change the volume
[03:46] <GTRsdk> I found out how to add it
[03:47] <bkm> i guess it's called Volume Control? it would be interesting to know where that lives and what it is really called
[03:48] <GTRsdk> I think it might be in normal lxde
[03:48] <GTRsdk> I just right clicked on lxpanel and clicked on add/remove panel items then clicked on add then added Volume Control
[06:46] <Kaleidoscope> Hello, I'm haveing a problem
[06:46] <Kaleidoscope> In PCManFM, I can right click and use wine to open programs, But if I try to right click and select q4wine to open programs, Nothing happens
[07:19] <Ascavasaion> Hello there.  I have a very old machine.  It has suddenly taken to just restarting.  From being cold I switch it on, go into CMOS and within 30 or so seconds it just reboots.  And it continues to do this all the time.  Any ideas or pointers?
[07:23] <micahg> check RAM, motherboard, power supply
[07:24] <Unit193> Dust, and overheating on the CPU
[07:28] <IAmNotThatGuy> I believe that you will get an error that the machine got over heated and restarted. Even two beep sounds will come. It happens to me once a day ;D
[07:29] <IAmNotThatGuy> Checking RAM will be my first ofption as suggested by micahg. However, I will go for a live USB first as there is a possibility that the HDD is not working in the right way
[07:36] <Ascavasaion> Thank you guys.
[07:36] <Unit193> Could also check ##hardware I'd think, but I've never been there
[13:15] <k4m1k4z3> hi
[13:51] <pmatulis> hi
[17:12] <smile4ever> http://i44.tinypic.com/11l4par.png
[17:12] <smile4ever> Only 85 MB's of RAM :)
[17:29] <venik212> I use Lubuntu, and wanted to run a sh script, but sh is not available...
[17:40] <venik212> so the question is: how do I execute my script?  I tried sh scriptname.sh and bash scriptname.sh, but neither worked
[17:41] <venik212> I made it executable, and clicked on it, but that also failed
[17:42] <Myrtti> so what do you actually get when you open up a terminal?
[17:47] <smile4ever> How do I theme my LXDE menu? :)
[18:06] <bkm> venik212: if you type `which sh` (no quotes), what is the result?
[18:22] <downbeam> i cant get bluetooth to work
[18:23] <downbeam> any one here?
[18:23] <downbeam> ?
[18:25] <bkm> someone must be here! i would suggest stating what you have tried and what happens. someone knowledgable should look at their screen at some point!
[18:27] <downbeam> when i search for a device on bluetooth it can't find my phone?
[18:27] <Myrtti> can it find any other devices?
[18:28] <Myrtti> downbeam: ^
[18:28] <downbeam> no nothing comes up
[18:29] <Myrtti> are you sure that the Bluetooth is turned on and the device works?
[18:29] <downbeam> and i know i have a bluetooth adapter because i ran it in windows when i had it
[18:29] <downbeam> how do i turn on the bluetooth adapter?
[18:33] <AlanBell> is your phone in visible mode?
[18:35] <bioterror> !bluetooth
[18:38] <downbeam> can any one help me with my problem?
[18:39] <downbeam> my problem is up^
[18:41] <downbeam> HELP
[18:42] <bioterror> downbeam, did you read that wiki page?
[18:49] <Myrtti> downbeam: it would help if you'd answer
[18:53] <downbeam> no i didnt read the wiki page do you have a link?
[18:54] <AlanBell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[18:54] <bioterror> !bluetooth | downbeam
[18:55] <AlanBell> downbeam: are you running lubuntu? how far did you get before you got stuck? what troubleshooting have you done so far? is your phone in visible mode?
[18:55] <downbeam> my phone is in visible mode
[18:56] <downbeam> i've tried to apt-get bluez and all that
[18:56] <bioterror> can we get some error messages then?
[18:59] <downbeam> no it just doesnt work like it cant find the adapter
[18:59] <downbeam> and i have used bluetooth in windows before
[18:59] <AlanBell> ok, so do you see the adapter with lsusb?
[19:01] <downbeam> ya it says linux foundation 2.0, 2.0, 1.1, 1.1, 1.1, 1.1
[19:03] <downbeam> ?
[19:03] <bioterror> Bus 002 Device 004: ID 413c:8103 Dell Computer Corp. Wireless 350 Bluetooth
[19:03] <bioterror> I get something like that
[19:04] <downbeam> how do i get that?
[19:04] <bioterror> with command: lsusb
[19:04] <downbeam> i mean bluetooth has to work becuase i've used it before on this computer
[19:04] <bioterror> sure, but Windows is not Linux
[19:05] <AlanBell> it doesn't have to work with Ubuntu
[19:05] <AlanBell> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode) is my one
[19:05] <downbeam> so am i fucked?
[19:05] <AlanBell> !language
[19:06] <downbeam> sorry
[19:06] <AlanBell> what kind of bluetooth adapter do you think you have?
[19:06] <AlanBell> is it a USB dongle thing?
[19:06] <bioterror> is it a usb dongle?
[19:06] <downbeam> i acctually have no idea
[19:06] <downbeam> no it's acctually in my computer
[19:06] <bioterror> if not, can you provide us your laptops manufacturer and model
[19:07] <bioterror> could help us a little bit
[19:08] <downbeam> ya it's a toshiba satelite l305d
[19:09] <AlanBell> that doesn't have bluetooth
[19:10] <downbeam> are you sure how do you know?
[19:10] <AlanBell> http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/retail-product.jsp?poid=433213&tab=specs
[19:10] <AlanBell> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114503
[19:10] <downbeam> thanks
[19:11] <Myrtti> so what info did lsusb print out?
[19:11] <Myrtti> or did it?
[19:11] <AlanBell> "the only reason I didn't give it five stars is because it doesn't have bluetooth" was one of the review comments there
[19:12] <bioterror> and toshiba says no antenna ;)
[19:12] <downbeam> no its not that kind
[19:12] <downbeam> alan
[19:13] <pangolin> what king is it?
[19:13] <pangolin> kind*
[19:15] <downbeam> l305d-s5974
[19:16] <bioterror> http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/retail-product.jsp?poid=452488
[19:16] <bioterror> No Bluetooth (No Antenna)
[19:19] <downbeam> i c no antenna
[19:20] <downbeam> um how do i just update a driver?
[19:21] <AlanBell> downbeam: I suspect if you get yourself a USB bluetooth adapter (cost less than 5 of most major currency units) it will just work
[19:22] <downbeam> cool thank you
[19:25] <downbeam> um how do i just update a driver?
[19:26] <bioterror> which driver?
[19:29] <AmberJ> Hello
[19:30] <AmberJ> 'catfish' (to search files) is nice. But, is there a lightweight program that runs in background and keeps an index of all files/dirs on filesystem for quick searching?
[19:34] <smile4ever> doei :)
[19:37] <AlanBell> !info slocate
[19:38] <AlanBell> !info mlocate
[19:41] <AmberJ> Thanks AlanBell :)
[19:41] <AmberJ> Also, has anyone used Ubuntu One on Lubuntu 11.10? I hope it just works...
[19:44] <AmberJ> I guess I need to install ubuntuone-installer (?)
[19:54] <AmberJ> oops, got disconnected. Can anyone please copy/paste channel log if anyone answered my question related to Ubuntu One?
[19:57] <AmberJ> It'll take some time before #lubuntu "recent" logs appear on http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ :(
[19:57] <holstein> AmberJ: nah... nothing.. the webinterface will work of course
[19:57] <holstein> i would just try it
[19:57] <AmberJ> Right, thanks holstein :)
[19:58] <holstein> i would expect it to be similar to http://askubuntu.com/questions/82978/how-can-i-run-ubuntu-one-on-xubuntu
[20:05] <AmberJ> yes...this one also seems useful: http://askubuntu.com/questions/36117/ubuntu-one-on-lubuntu
[20:37] <pmatulis> for the clock in the panel, how to get MM:HH:SS ?  now i only get HH:MM and the clock format shows: %R
[20:38] <bioterror> pmatulis, http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xsh/strftime.html
[20:39] <pmatulis> bioterror++
[20:39] <pmatulis> (thanks)
[20:39] <bioterror> you're welcome
[20:42] <jmarsden|work> bioterror: man strftime works too :)
[20:46] <phillw> pmatulis: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/CustomizingTheClock
[20:47] <benoliver999> I can't get some USB speakers to work.
[20:48] <pmatulis> phillw: nice
[20:48] <benoliver999> I've switched to them in Alsamixer
[20:48] <benoliver999> They just come up as PCM
[20:49] <benoliver999> Bizarrely, the buttons on them (mute, vol up, vol down) affect the laptop speakers.
[21:07] <bkm> rebooting made openbox not consume 80-90% of the cpu. i wonder what i could have done to find what was driving it so hard
[21:08] <bioterror> fir example look into top
[21:08] <bioterror> oh sorry
[21:08] <bioterror> it doesnt solve the problem why openbox took 80-90% of CPU
[21:10] <bioterror> actually rather hard to findout why certain application might want to take so much CPU at the current time
[21:10] <phillw> bug 918401
[21:17] <thor_> Hey can i make a wish in here for lubuntu 12.04?
[21:19] <wxl> thor_: i guess can and should are two different questions
[21:19] <wxl> i'd probably recommend a post to the mailing list or a bug report (point out it's a feature request)
[21:20] <phillw> thor_: I'd suggest using the mailing list... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ContactUs
[21:20] <thor_> Its about lxinput it should be replace with mintinput 2.0 https://launchpad.net/~kendalltweaver/+archive/peppermint/+sourcepub/2149247/+listing-archive-extra
[21:22] <thor_> wxl and phillw, thanks
[21:55] <Cynic411> hi
[21:56] <Cynic411> any1 here?
[21:58] <bioterror> about 60 persons if we drop bot off
[21:59] <Cynic411> ah there is life :)
[21:59] <bioterror> less or more
[21:59] <bioterror> how can we help you?
[21:59] <Cynic411> see what you did there. you been using lubuntu long?
[21:59] <bioterror> long enough
[22:00] <Cynic411> cool. if it wouldn't be too much trouble, could I ask a question? Excluding the previous one, naturally.
[22:01] <bioterror> !ask | Cynic411
[22:02] <Cynic411> ah cool, like having your own teacher. !ask does the current lubuntu version utilise my dual core processor?
[22:03] <bioterror> yes it will utilize
[22:03] <bioterror> if you say in terminal: uname -a
[22:03] <Cynic411> so no tweaking?
[22:03] <bioterror> it will have three letters SMP
[22:03] <bioterror> Symmetric Multi Processing
[22:03] <bioterror> if you open terminal and type: top
[22:04] <bioterror> and then press number 1 button, you will see processors and the usage of the current ones
[22:04] <Cynic411> thats really cool :D
[22:05] <Cynic411> thanks for that :) i'm trying to milk out a little more out of my computer to run PCSX2 emulator. Guess I should just get a new PC
[22:06] <bioterror> anything else in mind?
[22:06] <Cynic411> no but thank you :) you've been really helpful :)
[22:07] <Cynic411> have a good evening :)
[22:14] <pcroque> Thinking of getting a second monitor. Is Lubuntu (11.10) suitable for dual monitor setups or should I be thinking about another distro?
[22:14] <bioterror> same drivers and same applications on every distro
[22:15] <pcroque> I had heard something about lxpanel not playing nice with dual monitor setups.
[22:17] <bioterror> is there someone to confirm this?-)
[22:19] <pcroque> Well...I can bring the TV into the office, and hook it up as a second monitor and see how it works.
[22:20] <pcroque> I really want to stick with Lubuntu.
[22:26] <AmberJ> Let me hijack your question, pcroque :D Can I simply add another VGA card (on a PCI slot) for a dual monitor setup?
[22:27] <bioterror> yes
[22:27] <AmberJ> I mean my motherboard has a VGA slot for my current/primary monitor. And if I another VGA video card (on a PCI slot), will that help me to do a dual monitor setup?
[22:28] <Unit193> yes
[22:28] <Unit193> If you don't like the panel, try another one
[22:28] <AmberJ> My local computer salesman (stupid!) said that I need a graphics card (or, AGP?) to do a dual video monitor setup
[22:28] <bioterror> ofcourse he said
[22:29] <bioterror> his job is to sell stuff to you
[22:29] <AmberJ> lol yea...true
[22:30] <AmberJ> Thanks bioterror :)
[22:30] <AmberJ> Can you link me to a "setup dual monitor on lubuntu/linux" webpage?
[22:33] <bioterror> you should have monitor setup -thingie on your menu
[22:33] <bioterror> *in your menu :D
[22:33]  * AmberJ hopes that 1 LCD & 1 CRT will be more productive
[22:33] <AmberJ> Found it, thanks bioterror again
[22:34] <AmberJ> That too when native resolution for both monitors is very different
[22:35] <bioterror> if that doesnt help, then some xrand commands might do the trick
[22:35] <AmberJ> LCD is 1600x900....while CRT is 1024x768, iirc.
[22:35] <AmberJ> noted, 'xrand'
[22:36] <bioterror> xrandr
[22:36] <bioterror> someone eats letters from my sentences
[22:36] <AmberJ> your fingers :P
[22:41] <AmberJ> bioterror, Will I be able to use 1 VGA out on motherboard and 1 VGA out on VGA card (on PCI)?
[22:41] <AmberJ> Or, do I need a VGA card with two VGA out ?
[22:42] <AmberJ> I'm asking this because of this text snippet (source: wikipedia): http://pastebin.com/zRygQMxK
[22:43] <bioterror> you can use combinations
[22:44] <AmberJ> ok
[22:45] <AmberJ> Does anyone has recommendation for small and quick image editor?
[22:45] <AmberJ> GIMP takes time to load (plus, it is a bit confusing).
[22:45] <bioterror> GIMP is best what you can get
[22:45] <bioterror> on windows they have paint.net
[22:45] <AmberJ> I mostly need to cut/paste/annotate/draw_basic_figures functionality
[22:49] <Unit193> bioterror: Seen arandr?
[23:07] <pcroque> So, I'm trying a dual monitor setup now (Lubuntu 11.10, latest nvidia driver, xinerama). Works well, but lxpanel just makes one long panel across both screens. Any ideas on how to fix?
[23:08] <pcroque> tint2 seems to recognize the dual setup and make 2 panels, but I like lxpanel.


[12:46] <shwaiil> Hi
[12:47] <shwaiil> where can I get started with app development for ubuntu ? I just watched a video in the main site, it seems I can dev with js html5
[12:47] <shwaiil> I want to do a simple window management like http://mizage.com/divvy/ available for osx
[12:47] <shwaiil> I know about compiz grid, but I like divvy functionality better
[12:48] <shwaiil> I wonder where I can get started ?
[12:49] <shwaiil> http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/
[12:49] <dz0ny> shwaiil: that must be done in compiz aka compiz plugin
[12:50] <shwaiil> dz0ny: tks for looking. that's the only way ?
[12:51] <dz0ny> that i know of. Basically you need to access compiz api, control application can probably be written in any language
[12:52] <shwaiil> divvy looks so much better :Z
[12:52] <dz0ny> shwaiil: i'm pretty sure there is compiz plugin for that
[12:53] <shwaiil> dz0ny: yes, there's "grid", but comparing with divvy... it's not that cool
[12:53] <shwaiil> so I want to code it myself
[12:54] <dz0ny> you can probably start with compiz grid plugin and build on top of it
[13:01] <shwaiil> trying to figure out if I could develop differently
[13:01] <shwaiil> compiz looks too complicated
[13:04] <dz0ny> I believe it's the only way :/
[13:05] <shwaiil> : I
[17:03] <IDWMaster> Hi. I created a new project that makes it easier to create C++ projects on Ubuntu using Autotools.
[17:04] <IDWMaster> It greatly simplifies the process of creating configuration scripts and such, without the need for manually creating all of the configuration files for autotools. It's basically a project-based build environment similar to Eclipse, but in the console instead
[17:04] <IDWMaster> https://launchpad.net/apptoolkit
[17:05] <IDWMaster> Run it in an empty directory and it will create the necessary project resources for you along with a binary configuration file
[17:05] <IDWMaster> Currently only available in source format