[00:21] <erkan^> is ubuntu 12.10 good stable now?
[00:37] <bjsnider> erkan^, yeah, it's not bad at all
[01:34] <home> hey guys
[01:34] <home> for Kubuntu 12.10, the internet is not working
[01:40] <home> hello
[01:40] <home> I need to understand whats happening
[01:41] <pepee> home, in a console, run ifconfig -a
[01:41] <home> pepee: Hi there :)
[01:41] <home> pepee: eth0 has a ip adress
[01:42] <pepee> can you ping your router?
[01:42] <home> I am trying to install build-essential, any ideas :D
[01:42] <home> its receiving it
[01:42] <home> let me try to ssh into it
[01:42] <pepee> did you connect it by hand?
[01:42] <home> okay
[01:43] <home> I can ssh into my router
[01:43] <home> so the connection to the router is good
[01:43] <pepee> ping google from the router?
[01:43] <home> pepee: yep that works :)
[01:43] <home> its the router obviously
[01:45] <pepee> home, run sudo route in the ubuntu machine
[01:46] <home> okay
[01:46] <pepee> well, sudo is not needed
[01:50] <home> and?
[01:50] <home> pepee: its running in a VM, but I tested it on my lappy too
[01:50] <pepee> does is show your router?
[01:50] <home> pepee: same problem on both ends
[01:51] <pepee> ah
[01:51] <pepee> hmm it's wifi?
[01:51] <home> First it was wifi
[01:51] <home> now its the VM connection
[01:51] <home> I need this image for tommorow >.<
[01:51] <home> working
[01:52] <pepee> vbox or vmware?
[01:52] <home> vmware
[01:53] <home> we already connected to the router :/
[01:53] <home> so
[01:53] <pepee> ping google from the vm
[01:54] <home> didnt work
[01:54] <home> I tried their direct ip too
[01:55] <home> from here
[01:57] <pepee> I don't know much about vmware
[01:57] <pepee> check if there is a channel for it
[01:57] <home> pepee: thats not the problem
[01:57] <pepee> make sure to tell them what you have already done
[01:58] <home> I did it on a physical laptop
[01:58] <home> same problem
[01:58] <home> wtf?
[01:58] <pepee> ah yeah
[01:58] <pepee> does "route" show your router's IP?
[01:58] <home> lets recap: ssh works, I can ping my local router
[02:02] <pepee> yeah
[02:02] <pepee> route is a command
[02:02] <home> but if I try to...access the internet, its not working
[02:02] <home> i think this is a kubuntu problem
[02:03] <pepee> home, ubuntu comes with networkmanager
[02:03] <pepee> networkmanager is problematic
[02:03] <home> 0_0
[02:03] <home> why is kubuntu being so gay :/
[02:04] <pepee> again, it's not kubuntu...
[02:05] <pepee> remove network manager, install wicd
[02:05] <home> dude
[02:05] <pepee> tell me if you have the same problem
[02:06] <home> how to remove network manager?
[02:07] <pepee> apt-get remove package
[02:07] <pepee> the problem is that you need internet to install wicd
[02:07] <home> yeah
[02:07] <pepee> unless you download the packages needed and install them by hand
[02:07] <home> :/
[02:08] <pepee> anyway, again, run route and tell me what do you see
[02:08] <home> Will wicd fix local ethernet?
[02:10] <pepee> home, let's see if you can connect to internet first
[02:11] <pepee> then download wicd and install it
[02:11] <pepee> I've asked like 3 or 4 times about the output of "route"
[02:12] <home> pepee:
[02:13] <pepee> home:
[02:15] <home> pepee:
[02:15] <home> lol
[02:15] <home> uhm, the output of route
[02:15] <home> let me google how to copy and paste from vmware..haha
[02:16] <pepee> write it?
[02:16] <pepee> or just tell me what it says under gateway
[02:17] <pepee> home, ^ and Destination
[02:21] <home> brb
[02:41] <erkan^> hello, i have a problem with window. window doesn't work. i use GNOME Classic
[02:42] <trism> erkan^: your windows have no decoration?
[02:44] <erkan^> I have solved a problem now: metacity --replace. trism (-:
[02:44] <bjsnider> metacity? ugh
[02:44] <SIR_Taco> :(
[02:45] <trism> erkan^: yeah use the gnome classic (no effects) session, otherwise you hit bug 1036752 (or you can just enable some plugins with ccsm)
[02:45] <erkan^> what is up?
[02:45] <erkan^> i use gnome classic with effect, trijntje
[02:45] <erkan^> trism,
[02:45] <trism> erkan^: not if you run metacity --replace
[02:46] <erkan^> i didn't know what was a problem. i have upgraden 12.04 to 12.10 night, trism
[02:53] <bjsnider> what effects was he talking about?
[02:54] <trism> bjsnider: one of the Gnome Classic sessions runs with compiz, the other is called the (no effects) session, which uses metacity
[03:01] <bjsnider> they should both be removed
[03:45] <erkan^> i see that icons [indicator] doesn't work good with pidgin and xchat
[03:45] <erkan^> :/
[03:55] <erkan^> I have seen that xchat is problem by indicator. When I click xChat, later go I close this (minimal) , later want I chat on xChat, but it is new seconde window :/ [sorry i don't speak good english]
[04:27] <home> pepee: Fuck Kubuntu
[04:28] <home> pepee: lol
[04:28] <pepee> lol home
[04:28] <pepee> what happened?
[04:28] <home> I gave up
[04:29] <home> I am like, this is too much work
[04:29] <home> pepee: I tried wicd, didn't work
[04:29] <home> so I am using Linux Mint.. :/
[04:30] <pepee> :/
[04:32] <home> pepee: its what I usually use so :D
[04:56] <Tm_T> home: no cursing please
[04:57] <home> Tm_T: Please put it on the channel topic, before I start cussing at you :)
[04:57] <home> Tm_T: Anyway, it will happen...I cannot guarantee it :*(
[04:59] <Tm_T> please try anyway
[05:11] <Named> Is there a way to get the Dvorak layout in the installer?
[06:00] <charleyfoxtrot> is it a known bug for the upgrade to 12.10 to break fglxr
[06:00] <charleyfoxtrot> just upgraded to 12.10 ... fglrx seems to have broke . Unity wasn't starting (no toolbar, no launcher) until I did "sudo apt-get remove --purge fglxr fglxr-amdcccle"
[06:02] <charleyfoxtrot> tried to reinstall. Get bug at "sudo aticonfig --initial"
[06:02] <charleyfoxtrot> says there's no recognized adapter, except I was using fglrx with 12.04 so I know there is
[10:23] <speedy> Just upgraded to 12.10, and things are displayed incorrectly, using ATI Radeon HD 3650, fglrxinfo says BadRequest
[10:24] <speedy> Unity and top bar disappeared
[11:04] <MCR1> speedy: Go to A virtual console (Ctrl+Alt+F2 for example) and type "sudo apt-get purge fglrx*"
[11:06] <MCR1> speedy: After you've finished: "sudo rm -r /etc/X11/xorg.conf", then reboot (it will use gallium, the open source driver, then)
[11:06] <speedy> MCR1: will try that, thanks for the help!
[11:07] <MCR1> speedy: *Should* work, as I've used it often before ;)
[11:37] <fm_> anybody else seeing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1051955 ?
[12:04] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[12:16] <maxb> Hmm, I've been forced back to radeon from fglrx on quantal (because of AMD dropping support for oldish cards). The Unity launcher reveal is now PAINFULLY slow. I don't suppose anyone has come across a solution?
[14:04] <frybye> Seems pretty solid to me - what do you folks think?
[14:38] <louiemat_> command to display Lens in stalled in 12.10
[14:40] <louiemat_> akgraner -  command to display Lens in stalled in 12.10
[14:41] <louiemat_> I'm newbe what do you mean by stalled in 12.10
[14:44] <louiemat_> akgranner - I'm newbe what do you mean by stalled in 12.10
[14:45] <louiemat_> akgraner - I'm newbe what do you mean by stalled in 12.1
[14:47] <mirak> hi
[14:48] <mirak> is there a better suport of MTP in Quantal ?
[14:58] <philinux> mirak: my galaxy s3 connects fine in 12.04 and 12.10
[15:00] <mirak> my Nexus 7 and Galaxy S2 aren't
[15:02] <mirak> philinux: sorry, my GS2 works
[15:02] <mirak> i used a jelly bean rom on it, and it wasn't working
[15:03] <mirak> it works since I put back ICS i guess
[15:06] <BluesKaj> too bad I can't find  away to make my old moto work , ..it's recognized as a device but the files aren't available
[15:21] <Bolvaron> Hi, yesterday i tried the daily-build of ubuntu 12.10 on a live stick, and after rebooting it didnt find a kernel to boot the system, did i do anything wrong?
[16:47] <ghabit> Hello. Is it dangerous to upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 now?
[16:48] <ghabit> Or better to wait official release?
[16:51] <trism> ghabit: I actually like upgrading before the final release, so you don't hit all the mirrors at the same time as everyone else (but as always, make sure you have backups before doing any upgrades)
[16:53] <ghabit> trism, what files i should backup?
[16:54] <varikonniemi> will 12.10 support mdadm raid setup from normal installer like 12.04 did in alternate?
[16:55] <varikonniemi> or will this funcionality be lost with the alternate installer
[16:55] <ghabit> One more question - is it big difference between upgrade to 12.10 and clean install of 12.10?
[16:55] <trism> ghabit: any files you don't want to lose (I generally only backup /home, but if you have important files in other places, back those up as well)
[16:58] <trism> varikonniemi: I don't believe raid support made it into the 12.10 installer unfortunately
[16:58] <trism> varikonniemi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta2#Boot.2C_installation_and_post-install
[16:59] <Javito> Is it ok to install daily build or should I wait for final release?
[17:00] <wilee-nilee> Javito, Your decision daily will update to release as updates come through.
[17:02] <Javito> Ok thanks, I thought there can be some changes that updater doesn't install
[17:05] <ghabit> I have problem with ttf-mscorefonts-installer - it is not possible to update.
[17:05] <ghabit> An error here.
[17:10] <varikonniemi> trism, that is unfortunate
[17:10] <varikonniemi> so, this is the file: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso ? what does it contain? a netboot rom that loads everytrhin on the go?
[17:13] <trism> ghabit: can you pastebin the exact error?
[17:14] <trism> varikonniemi: I believe it is basically exactly like the alternate installer except it downloads all the packages from the net instead of including them in the iso, been a while since I used it though
[17:15] <wilee-nilee> with a netload you have a wife choice of what you want installed.
[17:15] <wilee-nilee> wide*
[17:16] <varikonniemi> trism, yeah, thanks. I am doing testing in virtualbox :]
[17:16] <trism> varikonniemi: good idea
[18:05] <edgy> Hi, when I connect my flash drive, is it mounted sync or async?
[18:08] <bekks> edgy: async.
[18:09] <edgy> bekks: where can I see this to confirm?
[18:09] <bekks> In the ouptput of "mount".
[18:09] <bekks> As long as you dont see the sync option, the device is mounted async.
[18:10] <edgy> bekks: yes, I don't see the option but where is it documented that async is the default?
[18:10] <bekks> In the kernel documentation for the specific filesystem.
[18:11] <edgy> bekks: I just tried to do remount,async and nothing shows but when I tried sync it shows so you are definitely right
[18:11] <bekks> I know :D
[18:11] <edgy> bekks: how can I change this default?
[18:12] <bekks> You cant change the default behaviour unless specifying the sync option, which will heavily slow down things.
[18:13] <silverarrow> does any of the media players work in browser?
[18:13] <silverarrow> any non-adobe-flash I mean
[18:13] <edgy> bekks: sync would slow things but it garantees that you can unplug the device without losing data, no?
[18:14] <bekks> No. You have a fair chance to not lose data, but no garantee.
[18:14] <edgy> silverarrow: isn't this now built into browsers for mp3, ogg, mpg4, ogv and the like?
[18:15] <edgy> bekks: you mean even with async  I shouldn't lose data?
[18:15] <silverarrow> in chrome at least, but for totem, vlc and mplayer there are several browser plugins
[18:15] <bekks> edgy: I mean even with sync there is now garantuee to not lose your data.
[18:15] <silverarrow> problem in lubuntu is I have no players detected in firefox
[18:15] <silverarrow> or midori
[18:15] <edgy> bekks: by now you mean no?
[18:16] <silverarrow> it happened in the last 6 days or so
[18:16] <bekks> edgy: I mean that you have no garantuee to not lose data, regardless of the mount option.
[18:16] <silverarrow> yes, zero players
[18:16] <silverarrow> nada
[18:17] <silverarrow> maybe it was on firefox update
[18:17] <ghabit> Help please - looks like updating stucked at "ttf-mscorefonts-installer: downloading  http://downloads.souceforge.net/corefonts/georgi32.exe"
[18:17] <ghabit> and nothing does happen
[18:17] <bjsnider> and silverarrow would also like to point out that he's on ppc instead of i386 or amd64
[18:17] <silverarrow> either 16 or 16.0.1
[18:17] <edgy> bekks: how come? if I copied file and wait the progress bar finished, and unplugged, why on earth would I still lose data? what is sync option then do?
[18:18] <bekks> edgy: Have you ever heard of "I/O cache"? :)
[18:18] <bekks> edgy: The sync option just tells a device to do the I/O - after it passed the I/O cache - synchronously.
[18:18] <edgy> bekks: I thought the cache and the buffers are used only on case of async but with sync the write gets through directly, no?
[18:18] <bekks> edgy: No. :)
[18:20] <edgy> bekks: execuse me but don't you think this implementation is stupid and non-intutive, progress bar finshed or cp command returned prompt, should guarantee that copy is done. very simple and smart, why don't they just do that?
[18:20] <edgy> and get rid of this nonsense umount
[18:21] <bekks> No. The finish of a progress bar shall NOT garantuee that the I/O operation is finished.
[18:21] <bekks> It just tells you that the I/O queueing has finished.
[18:21] <edgy> bekks: why can't they tell when i/o operation finished and adjust it to that?
[18:22] <bekks> Because it will massively slow down things. Incredibly even.
[18:22] <ghabit> Help please - looks like updating stucked at "ttf-mscorefonts-installer: downloading  http://downloads.souceforge.net/corefonts/georgi32.exe" Nothing is happens any more, is it possible to do something?
[18:23] <bekks> ghabit: Dont repeat your question every two minutes please.
[18:23] <edgy> ghabit: maybe kill it and reinstall again
[18:23] <edgy> bekks: do you know of mtp?
[18:23] <ghabit> edgy, kill whole update process?
[18:23] <edgy> ghabit: yes
[18:24] <trism> ghabit: http://askubuntu.com/questions/125938/upgrade-hangs-on-ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[18:24] <trism> ghabit: wait
[18:24] <bekks> edgy: Why?
[18:24] <trism> ghabit: the askubuntu question suggests just killing package-data-downloader
[18:24] <edgy> bekks: when I plug my android phone it's mounted and I don't need the umount and all is sync properly as the progress bar finish
[18:25] <bekks> edgy: And?
[18:25] <bekks> Actually, as long as you are using a filesystem, you have to umount it properly.
[18:25] <bekks> Even MTP uses the I/O cache.
[18:26] <edgy> ghabit: listen to trism
[18:26] <ghabit> trism, thank you!
[18:26] <ghabit> What should I do with "dependency problems - leaving unconfigured"?
[18:26] <edgy> bekks: is there a change I would lose data with mtp if I unplugged when the progess bar finish?
[18:27] <trism> ghabit: what is the full output?
[18:27] <bekks> edgy: Yes.
[18:27] <edgy> bekks: strange but this is not what i was told in #android
[18:27] <ghabit> it is full output.
[18:27] <trism> ghabit: is the upgrade continuing?
[18:27] <ghabit> for some packages, like ubuntu-desktop
[18:27] <trism> ghabit: oh don't worry about that
[18:27] <ghabit> yes, it is continuing.
[18:27] <trism> ghabit: it is just a side-effect of the upgrade
[18:28] <trism> ghabit: if everything goes well it will reconfigure them later
[18:28] <bekks> edgy: That may apply. Still, even MTP uses the I/O cache. :)
[18:29] <edgy> bekks: then in mtp how can I tell when it's safe to unplug?
[18:29] <bekks> edgy: Umount the filesystem properly.
[18:30] <edgy> bekks: there is not way you can umount the mtp!
[18:30] <edgy> bekks: it doesn't even show in the mount command output though you can access it
[18:31] <ghabit> trism, dependency problems - leaving unconfigured flashplugin-installer and other packages, should I just skip this errors?
[18:31] <bekks> edgy: Which desktop environment do you use?
[18:32] <edgy> bekks: kde
[18:33] <edgy> bekks: and gnome
[18:33] <bekks> Simultaneously? :)
[18:33] <edgy> bekks: yes
[18:33] <trism> ghabit: is it prompting you about them? if the upgrade is still working I wouldn't worry about it until it is finished
[18:33] <edgy> bekks: I launch dolphin and nautilus at the same time e.g ;)
[18:34] <bekks> edgy: And which one did you use to access/mount your device?
[18:35] <edgy> bekks: gnome/nautilus
[18:36] <bekks> Then right click on that device and umount/eject/safe-remove it.
[18:36] <ghabit> Is there some command to reconfigure unconfigured packages?
[18:36] <ghabit> To run it after update.
[18:37] <yofel> ghabit: depending on what you mean, 'dpkg --configure -a' or dpkg-reconfigure <pkg>
[18:37] <ghabit> yofel, will --configure -a reconfigure all installed packages?
[18:38] <yofel> ghabit: ok, what exactly are you trying to do?
[18:38] <erkan^> why doesn't pidgin in the indicator?
[18:38] <yofel> do you have unconfigured packages? or do you want to reconfigure everything?
[18:38] <yofel> hm, he's gone
[18:39] <trism> yofel: he is upgrading 12.04 to 12.10 and apparently seeing those messages (which I believe are pretty normal in those kinds of upgrades, right?)
[18:39] <edgy> bekks: unfortunately you are right again, it works in nautilus, what about kde then?
[18:39] <erkan^> who is he?
[18:40] <yofel> edgy: KDE has a device notifier widget in the systray that you can use to unmount devices
[18:40] <bekks> edgy: Same way :) Right click, ...
[18:40] <yofel> but bekks is right, right click in dolphin works too
[18:40]  * yofel agrees with edgy FWIW btw.
[18:41] <edgy> yofel,  bekks: I see the icon which is called portable media player and right clicking won't give a umount option
[18:42] <edgy> and the mount command won't show it mounted
[18:42] <bekks> edgy: Could you provide a screenshot of what you see?
[18:42] <edgy> yofel: agree with me that this umount is nonsense?
[18:42] <yofel> trism: well, configure message are normal for every package upgrade, so maybe he's just confusing the terminology
[18:42] <yofel> no, that sync would be a sane default for flash drives.
[18:42] <yofel> ... as long as you can turn it off that is
[18:43] <yofel> cleanly unmounting drives makes always sense. even in Windows
[18:45] <edgy> bekks: http://imagebin.org/232055
[18:45] <yofel> edgy: it's not mounted
[18:45] <yofel> you would have an 'eject' arrow at the right instead of the cable icon in that case
[18:46] <yofel> and 'right click' was meant for the device panel in dolphin that you see in the bottom left corner of dolphin, not for the widget
[18:47] <edgy> yofel: look at the screenshot and you would see it's open in a window
[18:47] <bekks> But is wasnt mounted using KDE.
[18:48] <edgy> bekks: I just clicked in the icon and it pops-up in kde
[18:48] <yofel> yeah, it's not mounted in a way that KIO understands
[18:48] <bekks> edgy: You did that in Nautilus?
[18:48] <edgy> yofel: exactly, the question is why?
[18:48] <edgy> bekks: yes, in nautilus it works well
[18:49] <bekks> -.-
[18:49] <bekks> Thats why KDE doesnt show it as mounted, because Nautilus/Gnome already did the job.
[18:49] <edgy> bekks: no, no, I umounted it from nautilus before I do that.
[18:50] <fnord`> many I am really enjoying unity now that the snap to side & move window bug is fixed
[18:50] <yofel> hm... it could be because dolphin is accessing it over the 'camera' protocol it seems?
[18:50] <yofel> that's not a reguar mount
[18:50] <bekks> Yes.
[18:50] <fnord`> at first I didn't like unity, but I am now a believer
[18:51] <ghabit> Anyone using gnome-shell under 12.10? Mouse pointer is not stopping near right border, going somewhere else instead.
[18:51] <ghabit> So i can "loose" it for a while.
[18:51] <ghabit> this issue is only with right border.
[18:52] <trism> ghabit: did the upgrade finish alright?
[18:52] <ghabit> trism, just rebooted, yes ^)
[18:52] <ghabit> but some troubles here.
[18:52] <edgy> yofel: in my android, there are two options, mtp and camera, I chose mtp but yes, I can still see the word camera in the window, I don't understand this stuff
[18:53] <trism> ghabit: excellent, (well not about the bug but that's why we test)
[18:53] <ghabit> and I have a lot of troubles now ^)
[18:58] <edgy> ok I will ignore this for now, thanks for the help
[19:11] <ghabit> well, I'm reporting results of upgrading - i'm downloading ubuntu 12.10 beta 2 iso because of SO much troubles here :)
[19:13] <yofel> ghabit: what exactly are the troubles you have?
[19:14] <yofel> and what happened during the upgrade?
[19:18] <ghabit> well, empathy does not working with jabber. I have no sound at all, unity left panel is not appearing (was autohinig) now I can see it only when pressing alt+f2, cannot logout, loooooong log it, every two minutes bug sender is opening and trying to send bug reports.
[19:19] <ghabit> is beta 2 so buggy or it is only my case and clean install 12.10 will help?
[19:21] <BluesKaj> empathy is buggy period , in most releases from what I've seen
[19:22] <yofel> ghabit: did something happen during the upgrade? most people here don't seem to be having that many issues
[20:13] <Ghabit> Help! No alternative cd for ubuntu 12.10? I have downloaded beta2, but I cannot see graphics, after loading I can see some noise on the screen.
[20:17] <Ghabit> Is it possible to do it in other way?
[20:18] <guntbert> Ghabit: there *is* an alternate CD for 12.10
[20:18] <micahg> no, there is no alternate for Ubuntu, I think there might be for kubuntu and lubuntu though
[20:18] <Ghabit> guntbert, where I can find it? Or how to fix noise on monitor to install from normal cd?
[20:19] <micahg> also, the RC images might have your bug fixed already
[20:19] <Ghabit> RC? It is something newer than beta2?
[20:19] <micahg> yeah, they're on the ISO tracker ATM
[20:20] <Ghabit> what is iso tracker?
[20:20] <Ghabit> How to get them?
[20:20] <micahg> Ghabit: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds (bonus points for running the ISO tests :))
[20:21] <Ghabit> micahg, what is iso tests? :)
[20:23] <guntbert> Ghabit: sorry, I obviously saw things that were not there :)
[20:23] <Ghabit> guntbert, nah, no problem. Just want to get up again my ubuntu :)
[20:24] <micahg> Ghabit: on the tracker, there are 2 columns, mandatory and run once which have tests for each image
[20:28] <Ghabit> micahg, sorry, but I have not undertood anything about tests. :( Maybe thru my bad as dniwe english.
[20:29] <ujee> Hi! I can't change VTs in Quantal anymore
[20:31] <ujee> Any clue what the cause might be?  even "sudo chvt 1" just wait and does nothing
[20:32] <mrgt> trying to upgrade but I get the following message "An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[20:32] <mrgt> The package 'kubuntu-desktop' is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist."
[20:39] <ujee> oh, that doesn't sound right... I had two instances of  aborted upgrade, but apt-get -f install corrected those easily
[20:43] <bkfitz> Question:  I just installed 12.10 beta 2 on my new lenovo x1 with hopes to use 'classic' gnome2 desktop... ran apt-get gnome-session-fallback but now it will only let me select the (No Effects) option???
[20:43] <bkfitz> Won't let me click on 'GNOME Classic' at all
[20:44] <trism> bkfitz: what is apt-cache policy unity-greeter; this was a bug earlier in the cycle, you may just need to run: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade;
[20:44] <ujee> oh, someone is alive in here :P
[20:44] <trism> bkfitz: though before that you should be able to select the session with tab
[20:44] <bkfitz> trism: ok i'll try it
[20:45] <bkfitz> doh... type too fast.. .update already running :)
[20:45] <bkfitz> this is a brand new 12.10 beta 2 install with just the apt-get install gnome-sess-fall command
[20:46] <bkfitz> Tab doesn't work
[20:46] <trism> bkfitz: yes but I don't think the bug was fixed until after beta 2
[20:46] <bkfitz> ok... so do the upgrade
[20:47] <trism> bkfitz: if it still doesn't work after running the upgrade and restarting lightdm, then we can take a closer look
[20:47] <bkfitz> trism: ok thx
[20:48] <bkfitz> trism: running now
[20:49] <bkfitz> whoaa... while the upgrade is running I just got a "application Panel has closed unexpectedly" -> details "/usr/bin/signon-ui" something something
[20:49] <bkfitz> "crashed with SIGSEGV in exit()
[20:49] <trism> bkfitz: yes I was hitting that quite a bit too, but that may be fixed as well
[20:49] <trism> bkfitz: haven't seen it recently
[20:49] <bkfitz> ok... cool... will wait and see... 203kB/sec on mifi = 15mins or so
[20:51] <mrgt> so.. anyone able to help me?
[20:55] <ujee> Huh?  I just ran apt-get update & upgrade, received some update to upstart, now the VT switching works!
[20:55] <ujee> (but I couldn't turn the computer off, because that probably VT-switches too)
[20:56] <ujee> either it was a race condition :/, or a fix :)
[21:00] <bkfitz> trism: almost done w upgrade... while i have you... have you heard of anyone having problems with 802.11n using a Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205s
[21:01] <mrgt> getting this message when trying to upgrade: An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[21:01] <mrgt> The package 'kubuntu-desktop' is marked for removal but it is in the
[21:01] <mrgt> removal blacklist.
[21:06] <trism> bkfitz: haven't heard of any, and I don't notice any recent bugs, but I don't have the chipset myself
[21:06] <bkfitz> trism: ok...
[21:06] <bkfitz> trism: done downloading upgrade, installing now
[21:08] <bkfitz> trism: that fixed it :)
[21:08] <bkfitz> thx
[21:08] <bkfitz> gotta run, but i'll be checking all hardware etc on my x1 and will be back if I run into any bugs :)
[21:44] <ghabit> what is default instant messaging client for 12.10?
[21:47] <elkng> "Quantal Quetzal", they have separate team in canonical to make up all those tricky names for new distro releases ?
[21:51] <trism> elkng: people suggest names and then one is chosen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
[21:52] <elkng> who chose name ?
[21:53] <pepee> people
[21:54] <Daekdroom> ... I'm pretty sure it's Mark Shuttleworth
[21:55] <elkng> why no one come up with the name "greedy shark" or "grave worm" ?
[21:55] <pepee> he's people too, I win (?)
[21:55] <Daekdroom> pepee, he's a single person, not people, which might lead one to think it's more than one person.
[21:56] <trism> elkng: then tend to need to have the same first letter, at least I imagine it will until we run out of letters
[21:56] <pepee> ha yeah
[21:56] <elkng> next is "r"
[21:56] <Daekdroom> Anyway, there was some IRC interview in which he answered he reads a dictionary.
[21:56] <elkng> rushy rat ?
[21:57] <pepee> Daekdroom, the slashdot one?
[21:57] <trism> I'm waiting for Secret Squirrel
[21:57] <Daekdroom> I don't read slashdot, so I don't know.
[21:57] <Daekdroom> Years ago I recall someone spreading in #ubuntu that 8.10 was going to be called Sexy Squirrel, was that you, trism?
[21:58] <trism> not me
[22:08] <elkng> if its a animals name there should be this animal's phonoes in distro included, are they ?
[22:10] <trism> elkng: phonoes?
[22:11] <elkng> photoes
[22:11] <elkng> cant you just read it right ?
[22:12] <elkng> as wallpappers
[22:12] <trism> elkng: well they usually have backgrounds with drawing of the animals, like /usr/share/backgrounds/A_Little_Quetzal_by_vgerasimov.jpg for this release
[22:13] <elkng> there is no /usr/share/backgrounds/A_Little_Quetzal_by_vgerasimov.jpg in slackware
[22:28] <ghabit> No icq for empathy in 12.10?
[22:29] <pkulas> software center is much laggy sometimes;/
[22:29] <pkulas> 4cores x2.9 3.5GB ram and center uses when install 80% of cpus and 75%of ram
[22:31] <trism> ghabit: might not be included by default, install account-plugin-icq
[22:35] <ghabit> trism, thank you!
[22:35] <ghabit> Is it possible to make avatars smaller?
[22:35] <ghabit> They are too BIG.
[22:37] <trism> ghabit: not sure, I don't use empathy
[22:38] <ghabit> trism, but only empathy is working with notifications system? What are you using instead?
[22:39] <ghabit> apt-get install gnome-shell is install to gnome3 ?
[22:39] <trism> ghabit: pidgin and yes
[22:40] <ghabit> trism, yes for only integrated client or yes for gnome? :)
[22:40] <pkulas> why there is no driver install software @12.10 for graphic card?
[22:41] <trism> ghabit: yes for installing gnome3
[22:41] <ghabit> pkulas, +1 for that queston :)
[22:42] <bjsnider> just install jockey and you'll get the drivers
[22:42] <pkulas> I used software center and it crashed whole unity
[22:42] <bjsnider> it's not usually supposed to do that
[22:43] <trism> pkulas: there is an Additional Drivers tab in software-properties-gtk now, but I haven't tried it
[22:44] <ghabit> I have many graphics bugs using 12.10 btw.
[22:44] <ghabit> text, images - lot of glitchy graphics.
[22:47] <pkulas> brb
[22:49] <Random833> anyone know what day it's coming out?
[22:49] <OerHeks> Yes
[23:06] <elkng> "its coming out", thats what she said
[23:36] <RiXtEr> Random833, I think I read somewhere october 16 but I can't be 100% sure