[00:00] <holstein> im not sure that is accurate, on an integrated intel gpu
[00:01] <amigamagic> holstein, I checked with an opengl app and it's very smooth, so I think glxgears results are accurate
[00:02] <amigamagic> what is you result?
[00:02] <holstein> amigamagic: "Think" would be my problem with that statement.. but, as long as you are enjoying it, go for it
[00:03] <amigamagic> to me (Intel HD Graphics integrated in a G3220 intel cpu) it shows ~7600fps
[00:03] <phm-grand_jct> when is 14.04 going up?
[00:03] <holstein> !14.04 > phm-grand_jct
[00:04] <amigamagic> holstein, I don't know how much it's accurate glxgears, but if do you know a better method, tell me.
[00:04] <holstein> amigamagic: i just load up what i want to use, and test with it
[00:05] <holstein> amigamagic: if a want to use a game, i test the game
[00:05] <amigamagic> yes, I tested with a third opengl app, and it worked well
[00:06] <amigamagic> but I'm curious to know the values of other pepole with glxgears
[00:06] <holstein> amigamagic: you should be able to find any vaild and invalid responses on the internet
[00:08] <amigamagic> yes it was just curiosity
[00:09] <holstein> amigamagic: i have personally seen from 20 to 2000
[00:10] <amigamagic> ok thanks holstein
[00:10] <holstein> i usually just lock games to 30 or less
[00:11] <amigamagic> how can you do that? Do you mean when the game permits you to limit the framerate?
[00:12] <holstein> amigamagic: the games have settings.. i configure them to work best with my hardware
[00:12] <amigamagic> ok
[00:13] <amigamagic> there is a way to "restart" an xfce panel without logout and login?
[00:14] <holstein> amigamagic: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels should be all you need to start, reset, restart.. whatever with the pane
[00:14] <holstein> panel*
[00:15] <amigamagic> perfect, thanks!
[00:17] <amigamagic> it's normal that the Keyboard indicator in the xfce4-indicator-plugin has no icon?
[00:17] <amigamagic> (I'm on 14.04 now)
[02:51] <NRDisciple> Need some help guys.  Just came from ZorinOS because it caused the computer to be laggy, and Xubuntu is stable.  However, the SB Audigy 2 Value has no sound.  To fix this I installed gnome-alsamixer and ticked the option for audigy analog/digital was checked and sound came back on ZorinOS.  However, this has no effect in Xubuntu 13.10.  Any ideas?  Do i need to remove pulseaudio first?  Thanks!
[02:52] <NRDisciple> ^^ Sorry, this was fixed in ZorinOS by doing the procedure above, but in Xubuntu there is no effect  (fixed)
[02:53] <`Fibz> sorry, i just removed the Audigy 2 from all of our systems rather than try to support it
[02:54] <NRDisciple> sadly the onboard realtek doesn't work either
[02:55] <NRDisciple> temporary fix til we get new computers, stupid XP EoL
[02:56] <NRDisciple> new computers in maybe... 2 months
[02:56] <NRDisciple> meanwhile trying to not work with a security hole opened OS
[02:56] <holstein> NRDisciple: i would load the live CD, to undo any changes you may have done, then, reference..
[02:56] <holstein> !audio
[02:57] <NRDisciple> do i need to remove pulseaudio first?
[02:57] <holstein> NRDisciple: if you open a terminal and run "aplay -l" and "arecord -l" and see the device, then it should be able to work.. then, you can run alsamixer and/or pavocontrol
[02:57] <holstein> NRDisciple: i use pulse
[02:58] <holstein> NRDisciple: onboard realtek, if not working (and it should) should be disabled in the bios
[02:58] <holstein> NRDisciple: at this point, i would be testing with a 14.04 live CD
[02:58] <NRDisciple> yes it's disabled.  I enabled it to try when I pulled out the Audigy card, but it had no sound either
[02:58] <holstein> NRDisciple: i dont think this is an audio device support issue
[02:58] <NRDisciple> i'm just surprised since ZorinOS worked with the fix
[02:58] <holstein> NRDisciple: i think its a simple mute issue
[02:59] <NRDisciple> master volume was at 100?
[02:59] <holstein> NRDisciple: in what? alsamixer should have those settings you reference
[02:59] <NRDisciple> yes in alsamixer
[03:00] <holstein> NRDisciple: you can try a live CD to get around any changes you have made
[03:00] <NRDisciple> and do what in the livecd?
[03:00] <NRDisciple> had no sound with the livecd too.  I can try from there though
[03:01] <NRDisciple> not at the work computer right now sadly
[03:01] <holstein> NRDisciple: as i said above, reference
[03:01] <holstein> !audio
[03:01] <holstein> NRDisciple: if you have output from aplay and arecord, then, you can make it work
[03:01] <NRDisciple> ok
[03:02] <NRDisciple> noting the reference settings?
[03:03] <holstein> NRDisciple: ? if you see output there, then alsa is using the device
[03:03] <holstein> NRDisciple: you are just, either like in zorin, not checking a tick box, or something even simpler
[03:04] <NRDisciple> one issue i had awhile ago on Mint Linux was that i saw output volume but with no sound
[03:04] <NRDisciple> i'll see what i can do tomorrow
[03:04] <holstein> NRDisciple: you saw sound?
[03:05] <holstein> NRDisciple: anwyways.. a nother nice tool if pavucontrol
[03:05] <NRDisciple> well the output bar was moving up and down
[03:05] <holstein> NRDisciple: you may have missed that i had suggested that
[03:05] <holstein> !info pavucontrol
[03:05] <NRDisciple> i'll look into it
[03:08] <holstein> NRDisciple: it could be as simple as ticking the correct setting there in pavucontrol
[03:09] <holstein> NRDisciple: it could be as complex as, you are running zorin, which could have older kernel/alsa versions.. the support for your device has been removed from the kernel, or some other changes to the kernel or alsa has broken support for your device
[03:09] <NRDisciple> sounds wonderful :P
[03:09] <holstein> NRDisciple: i like testing with live CD's since they provide a simple way to use different kernel versions and alsa versions without changing the system settings at all
[03:10] <NRDisciple> livecds allow you to install things too?
[03:10] <holstein> NRDisciple: at this point (a week from 14.04, or whatever) i would totally try a 14.04 live daily, and see if the device "just works" there
[03:10] <holstein> NRDisciple: you dont need to install anything in the live environment to test audio with the kernel and alsa version, but, yes.. you can install things there for testing purposes
[03:11] <NRDisciple> i'll play around in the live cd
[03:11] <NRDisciple> thanks
[03:11] <NRDisciple> 14.04 is out?
[03:12] <cfhowlett> NRDisciple april 17th
[03:12] <NRDisciple> sorry, firefox tab kicked me off
[03:13] <holstein> !14.04, as i tried to say above, is released in a week or so
[03:13] <holstein> !14.04
[03:13] <NRDisciple> got it
[03:14] <holstein> but, at this point, if it just works, i would use it.. rather than fight with 13.10, which is supported for 3 more months only
[03:14] <holstein> for me, 12.04 would still be on the table as well.. if all the hardware "just works", 12.04 is supported for years to come as well
[03:15] <NRDisciple> yeah i was considering the LTS
[03:15] <NRDisciple> sadly the mobo doesn't support booting from a USB key, so i have some discs to burn
[03:15] <holstein> NRDisciple: 14.04 is an lts as well
[03:16] <NRDisciple> then i can wait a week i guess lol
[03:16] <holstein> NRDisciple: you can use plop.. burn plop to cd, then, have plop boot USB sticks on that hardware
[03:16] <phm-grand_jct> you can make a boot floppy?
[03:16] <holstein> NRDisciple: you dont need to wait a week.. you can try 14.04 daily live
[03:17] <holstein> NRDisciple: all im saying is, if i loaded up the daily 14.04 live and it worked "out of the box" without any issues, i would just use it, since its out next week anyways
[03:17] <NRDisciple> is it listed under the downloads?
[03:18] <holstein> NRDisciple: i usually just open a search query,a nd type exactly what i want.. "xubuntu 14.04 daily live download"
[03:18] <holstein> NRDisciple: it will be listed in the official downloads area when its officiallly released
[03:19] <holstein> NRDisciple: http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/index.html is what i use to boot USB sticks on hardware that doesnt boot USB sticks
[07:29] <Guido1> I have a problem with mounting. gparted seas al partitions, but xubuntu is not mounting al partitions by startup or conecting
[07:30] <Guido1> and restart doesn't help
[08:36] <bazhang> put them in fstab
[08:37] <bazhang> !blkid
[09:14] <ray_> is there anything particular to do  in order to make tightvnc server work on xubuntu ?
[10:13] <Dry_Lips> Hi, how do you turn up the brightness of the screen?
[10:14] <junka> Dry_Lips, r u using a desktop?
[10:14] <Dry_Lips> Laptop
[10:15] <Dry_Lips> I'm writing this from my phone, i havent got interet on my laptop at the moment
[10:15] <Dry_Lips> So I cannot google this myself
[10:15] <junka> what brand
[10:16] <Dry_Lips> Eh.. a local norwegian brand
[10:16] <Dry_Lips> Multicom
[10:16] <junka> does it have a FN key like acer? :P
[10:17] <Dry_Lips> Yup
[10:17] <junka> then it should be FN+ right/left arrow
[10:17] <junka> up/down arrow for volume
[10:17] <Dry_Lips> The model is
[10:17] <knome> junka, not "should"...
[10:17] <Dry_Lips> FL90
[10:18] <knome> junka, it might, the function keys can differ between models
[10:18] <Dry_Lips> Compal FL90
[10:19] <Dry_Lips> Judging from the sticker underneath the laptop
[10:19] <junka> Dry_Lips, there should be brightness markings on some keys, so FN+'that keys'
[10:20] <Dry_Lips> Ah, there is
[10:20] <Dry_Lips> :)
[10:20] <junka> ;D
[10:21] <Dry_Lips> Junka, you're a genious... (and I'm retarded)
[10:21] <Dry_Lips> :)
[10:26] <Guido1> how can i remove directories from "media"?
[10:28] <amigamagic> usually media has directories used for mounting devices
[10:28] <amigamagic> so, if it's a acutally mounted device, you have first to unmount it
[10:29] <amigamagic> *actually
[10:29] <amigamagic> but why you would want to delete a dir inside it?
[10:29] <Guido1> amigamagic: in the moment nothing is mounted in the media folder. so there are empty maps
[10:31] <Guido1> and they have no use - leftovers from mounting
[10:31] <amigamagic> and what's the problem?
[10:31] <Guido1> i want to remove the leftovers
[10:32] <Guido1> but how?
[10:32] <knome> Guido1, i would stop trying to remove "everything" from your system
[10:32] <amigamagic> I am not an expert of the linux filesystem but I think if you don't delete them is better... Maybe if you force their deleting, something will not work well in the future
[10:33] <Guido1> amigamagic: i made them myself. they are not made by linux itself
[10:33] <amigamagic> Guido1, then you tried with rm -r "my_dir_to_remove" ?
[10:34] <Guido1> i expect something with sudo
[10:34] <amigamagic> if the dir owner is you, sudo should not be necessary
[10:35] <amigamagic> but I don't know how you created those dirs
[10:35] <amigamagic> inside the media folder...
[10:35] <Guido1> sudo mkdir /media/Name_of_directory
[10:36] <amigamagic> so you have to prefix the rm command with sudo... What's the problem?
[10:38] <Guido1> so: sudo rm -r /media/Name_of_directory
[10:38] <amigamagic> yes
[10:42] <amigamagic> knome, do you know if it's normal that in xubuntu 14.04, the xfce4-indicator-plugin lacks the icons for Keyboard and Power Management indicators?
[10:44] <amigamagic> or maybe it's a language problem? Actually I use italian language. Maybe in english locale the icons are there?
[10:45] <Guido1> amigamagic: okee, removed
[10:45] <amigamagic> Guido1, good :)
[10:45] <junka> amigamagic, no it's the same for eng locale
[10:46] <elfy> amigamagic: same here
[10:46] <amigamagic> mmmh... then it's strange...
[10:46] <amigamagic> the default desktop configuration place those indicators there
[10:46] <amigamagic> but they have no icons...
[10:47] <junka> yeah also there two time/calendar icons
[10:48] <amigamagic> yes, it's true, because one it's integrated in the xfce4-indicators-plugin
[10:48] <amigamagic> but you can disable it in the properties of the indicators plugin
[10:48] <amigamagic> (hide/unhide)
[10:49] <junka> I would prefer Hexchat then xchat
[10:49] <elfy> none of this is ontopic for this channel :)
[10:49] <junka> rigt
[10:50] <amigamagic> elfy, if I discover a bug, it is not here that I should talk about it?
[10:50] <elfy> nope
[10:50] <elfy> #ubuntu+1 or if you want to talk to one of us then #xubuntu-devel
[10:51] <amigamagic> mmmh... so, exactly what is for this channel?
[10:51] <elfy> but we do know about many of these issues
[10:51] <elfy> amigamagic: this is for released versions :)
[10:51] <knome> amigamagic, /topic; "Xubuntu support"
[10:51] <amigamagic> ah ok :)
[10:52] <amigamagic> I go to the developer channel, then...
[10:55] <Guido1> next problem: automount does not work (the [partitions from the main HDD are not shown in the explorer and later conected devices are not mounted)
[10:56] <amigamagic> Guido1, what xubuntu version you use?
[10:56] <Guido1> 12.04
[10:57] <amigamagic> mmmh... I know that in the last release there are some problems with automount, but with the 12.04 I don't know...
[10:58] <Guido1> amigamagic: i hjave it since today
[10:58] <Guido1> (the problem)
[11:11] <knome> Guido1, i guess you have removed some package that would automount them for you
[11:12] <knome> Guido1, bugs that you previously didn't have do not appear randomly, they all have a root cause
[11:13] <Guido1> knome: any idea which package?
[11:15] <knome> Guido1, to be honest, i don't think it's "cool" that you have now ripped your system apart for two days (and we've told you not to) and now you ask us to tell you which packages you need to get it working again
[11:16] <knome> Guido1, i would warmly recommend looking at the list of packages you have removed, reading their descriptions and trying to understand what they do and why they are included in xubuntu; you will find the answer to your last question this way as well
[11:18] <Guido1> knome: only removed thos who made sence and let the onse i was doubting there
[11:18] <knome> Guido1, obviously you have removed too many packages
[11:19] <knome> Guido1, and to me, that proves you don't know which packages "make sense" and which not, which is why i'm recommending you to look and think what you have done to resolve your issue
[11:20] <amigamagic> there is an history of installed packages in synaptics
[11:20] <amigamagic> it's useful, I'm always using that
[11:20] <amigamagic> when I want to "undo" something
[11:21] <elfy> .bash_history if you used apt-get in a terminal
[11:21] <Guido1> knome: will look there in every case
[11:21] <elfy> there is also a history option in software centre
[11:40] <Guido1> knome: today i got some new apps - linux-header, linux-image
[11:42] <Guido1> elfy: just using it, but i can't recognice something - mean i removed node, alarm-clock, gthumb, skype
[11:59] <Guido1> i also did an update yesterday after the cleaning
[12:06] <Guido1> can i somwehere see a reboot history?
[12:07] <Guido1> (when it reboted)
[12:14] <Guido1> could the problem be related to the update of linux-headers-3.2.0-60 linux-image-3.2.0-60-generic and linux-headers-3.2.0-60-generic?
[12:23] <Guido1> the partitions etc. are not automaticaly listed anymore and i think it has nothing to do with removed apps, but with updates or something else
[12:26] <cfhowlett> Guido1 reboot and try an older kernel
[12:26] <cfhowlett> Guido1 assuming that works, reinstall xubuntu-desktop and then *selectively* remove apps
[12:28] <Guido1> cfhowlett: one moment
[12:44] <Guido1> didn't worked
[12:45] <cfhowlett> Guido1 did you reinstall xubuntu-desktop?
[12:46] <Guido1> cfhowlett: no, but than i have to install al new apps again
[12:47] <knome> installing xubuntu-desktop does not uninstall any applications.
[12:48] <cfhowlett> Guido1  I understand it, your issues started when you deleted essential files.  I suggest sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop to reset your system to fresh install defaults
[12:50] <Guido1> knome, cfhowlett: so if i do that i still have all aplication and links etc. fore instance i changed the office tools. do i have options during the instalation?
[12:51] <knome> you don't
[12:51] <cfhowlett> Guido1 this would NOT uninstall anything you currently have
[12:51] <knome> but if you installed libreoffice, it won't be uninstalled
[12:52] <Guido1> but it adds some programs, right?
[12:57] <Guido1> just did apt-get install xubuntu-desktop, but it's already the newest version
[13:23] <Guido1> i just re installed the apps and it didn't helpt - the partitions etc. are still not listed automaticaly in the explorer
[13:35] <RudiOnTheAir> hi
[13:35] <starrats> hello
[13:37] <RudiOnTheAir> One question. Is the a way to simple mount a samba share with a gui like the filemanager, and then use them in all applications. ( Scripts for backup) No gvfs...
[13:43] <notwist> RudiOnTheAir: google how to add a samba share to fstab
[13:47] <RudiOnTheAir> :) yes. That's what i'm doing know. But i've thought, there is in 2014 a more comfortabel was to do that.?! Nautilus and all other filemanager can do it, but not accessable for scripts...
[13:47] <knome> RudiOnTheAir, gigolo?
[13:48] <amigamagic> he asked for a tool that doesn't use gvfs...
[13:48] <RudiOnTheAir> Can gigolo mout in a normal directory?
[13:49] <knome> well you are both asking for an easy GUI tool and a specific need...
[13:51] <RudiOnTheAir> Like in Win, where i can "mount" to a driveletter, i would like to mount to ~/mydata ...
[13:52] <RudiOnTheAir> I don't know where, but i mean for KDE there was a solution for that. But KDE and XFCE... :(
[14:02] <notwist> RudiOnTheAir: that is exactly what fstab is for. Google it and learn it,its not complicated. Im sure anyone will help you if you have more concrete questions after that
[14:03] <notwist> Not wanting to learn "complicated" tasks isnt a good way to use Linux, I think a large part of what makes Linux good is that time you put in learning is rewarded with increased flexibility
[14:05] <Guido1> I still have problems with mounting. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions "When you mount a disc normally with the file browser (nautilus etc) it mounts disks by interacting with udisks behind the scenes." but i don't see it in the file manager.
[14:08] <RudiOnTheAir> I know how to edit the fstab. Using Linux (Xubuntu, Debian, CentOS) since many years. Doing the support for some mail and fileserver.. I'm asking for a simpler way for all the ex. XP User around...;)
[14:10] <RudiOnTheAir> And i don't understand why nautilus mounts in a hidden dir like ".gvfs"...
[14:47] <Guido1> do i need openjdk java runtime?
[14:48] <Guido1> and KNetAttach?
[14:56] <Masterjedi688> Hello
[14:57] <Masterjedi688> Can anyone answer a few questions for me please
[14:57] <Masterjedi688> Hello?
[14:58] <amigamagic> Masterjedi688, ask your question. If there is someone that can answer it will answer (I hope). :D
[14:59] <Masterjedi688> Lol
[14:59] <Masterjedi688> Ok
[15:00] <Masterjedi688> I have a dell dimension B110 desktop PC 7-8 years old, windows xp home edition on it, 1GB of ram can be expanded to more more then 2Gb
[15:00] <Masterjedi688> Intel r Celeron r CPU 2.53 GHz
[15:01] <Masterjedi688> 27.2 GB hard drive left
[15:01] <Masterjedi688> 768 ram
[15:02] <Masterjedi688> Is xubuntu right for my old  slow PC?
[15:02] <Masterjedi688>  Is it easy to install?
[15:02] <Masterjedi688> It's a 64 bit
[15:03] <cfhowlett> Masterjedi688 try lubuntu = it's optimized for older/lower spec systems like yours
[15:03] <Masterjedi688> Not to mention I want to remove all of windows xp from my PC.  I've had it with xp
[15:03] <cfhowlett> Masterjedi688 just in time :_
[15:03] <Masterjedi688> Just in time?
[15:04] <cfhowlett> Masterjedi688 well, microsoft DID finally end XP support this week, so yes.
[15:04] <Masterjedi688> Oh yes, they did after all these years
[15:05] <Masterjedi688> My PC is basically for fun no school work or work work
[15:05] <cfhowlett> Masterjedi688 try lubuntu but wait a few days for 14.04 to come out.  You'll be well pleased
[15:05] <Masterjedi688> Music, surfing the web, facebook, chatting downloading pictures for wall papers
[15:05] <cfhowlett> April 17th.
[15:05] <Masterjedi688> Ok
[15:06] <Masterjedi688> On another site they told me try xubuntu
[15:06] <Masterjedi688> Now lulu tu?
[15:06] <Masterjedi688> LOLOLOL
[15:06] <cfhowlett> !lubuntu
[15:06] <Masterjedi688> Ok
[15:06] <cfhowlett> Masterjedi688 the difference is that lubuntu is specifically optimized for older tech.  xubuntu is not - but it is a good optoin
[15:07] <Masterjedi688> Ok, ta
[15:07] <Masterjedi688> Thanks for answering my questions.  Will Ubuntu be a stable version?
[17:15] <wrongplace> i wanto to install xubuntu 13.10 from a usb stick into a new computer. I have the iso copy in the stick, is that enough?
[17:17] <amigamagic> no
[17:17] <wrongplace> ok, what else do I need?
[17:17] <amigamagic> you have to use some tool like unetbootin
[17:18] <amigamagic> you give the path of the iso to the program, select the pendrive, and then it does all the things to make it bootable
[17:19] <wrongplace> ok
[17:23] <wrongplace> I assume all contents of the pendrive will be deleted...
[17:23] <wrongplace> am I wrong?
[17:23] <knome> you are correct
[17:23] <wrongplace> the pendrive has a partition (double one) , will unetbooting disregard that and nuke the whole unit or respect the partitions?
[17:24] <knome> i would imagine unetbootin will let you choose the partition, as long as it's possible to make that partition bootable
[17:24] <wrongplace> has that never been tried before? to make a partition bootable
[17:25] <wrongplace> i can choose the path/drive, that should work (theoretically at least)
[17:26] <amigamagic> wrongplace, if you want to be sure, backup all the content of your pendrive and then format it in FAT32
[17:27] <amigamagic> after that use unetbootin
[17:30] <clackerd> Hello - Firewall control panel is telling me that enabling a rule allowing ssh is not good security practice - why is that the case and what is the preferred method?
[17:30] <wrongplace> will do
[17:30] <knome> clackerd, if you need ssh, obviously you need to open it
[17:31] <clackerd> that is what i figured. the error message just surprised me is all
[17:31] <knome> clackerd, look at changing the ssh server port if you want to be more secure
[17:31] <clackerd> ok thank you
[17:31] <knome> and if you want to go really far, you can only enable certain ip's to connect..
[17:31] <wrongplace> amigamagic, noob question, how do I backupt the unit?
[17:32] <clackerd> nah just want to be able to reach my laptop in the garage. :) it's working, but thought maybe my method was a hack
[17:35] <wrongplace> please, i need instrusctions to change permission of a partition
[17:35] <knome> clackerd, if it's in the same network, you could limit connecting ip's to local ones, and it would be pretty safe
[17:36] <wrongplace> done
[17:37] <amigamagic> wrongplace, what's the problem?
[17:37] <wrongplace> amigamagic, i have no idea what to use to backup
[17:38] <amigamagic> wrongplace, select all files and copy them to another dir, maybe on a folder on your desktop
[17:38] <wrongplace> Already did taht, but thats not backing up
[17:38] <wrongplace> is it?
[17:38] <amigamagic> you want to backup all the files on a pendrive, right?
[17:38] <amigamagic> I mean, from a pendrive to another place
[17:39] <amigamagic> if this  is the case, you can just copy the files and paste them in some other device
[17:42] <wrongplace> ok
[17:46] <wrongplace> how miuch time does unetbooting need to do its thing?
[17:46] <wrongplace> its stuck at 51%
[17:47] <amigamagic> maybe 2 or 3 days
[17:47] <amigamagic> I'm joking... :D
[17:47] <amigamagic> I think 5-10 minutes, but it depends from the speed of your pendrive
[17:48] <wrongplace> o, done
[18:14] <waterpie> hi all
[18:14] <waterpie> is fstrim enabled in xubuntu 14.4, and how could I test if it's actually working ok?
[18:17] <stormchaser3000> hi
[18:18] <brainwash> waterpie: this is general ubuntu 14.04 feature and not xubuntu specific, you should ask in #ubuntu+1
[18:18] <stormchaser3000> ok i am installing xubuntu on a mv but my last attemt failed because of some memory thing and the installer failed
[18:18] <waterpie> brainwash:  went there, sent me here :-) :-/
[18:18] <stormchaser3000> vm*
[18:19] <brainwash> waterpie: oh, it should be a weekly cron job, maybe it does some debug logging
[18:20] <brainwash> waterpie: http://askubuntu.com/questions/443761/how-is-trim-enabled
[18:20] <waterpie> brainwash:  it is indeed a weekly cron job, but some online tutorials say you should add some config to eg /etc/..?/grub that isn't there. just want to check if it is actually working
[18:23] <brainwash> waterpie: someone here might know
[18:23] <brainwash> sadly I don't
[18:25] <brainwash> but I assume that the cron job should do the job, otherwise the devs would have added some extra grub parameters
[18:31] <waterpie> brainwash:  ok, thanks. Your links points to: http://blog.neutrino.es/2013/howto-properly-activate-trim-for-your-ssd-on-linux-fstrim-lvm-and-dmcrypt/ which after I followed all the steps, it seems that trim is indeed used on 14.4 xubuntu, and working on my comp (hopefully). Thanks
[18:33] <brainwash> waterpie: that's great :)
[18:36] <xubuntu202> hi, I wanted to visit the xubuntu website via the plug in (?) (sorry not sure what the technical term is) but I selected chrome to access it and now... well it doesn't recognise it
[18:36] <knome> xubuntu202, what exactly is it what you are trying to access?
[18:41] <xubuntu202> hi knome, software update
[18:41] <xubuntu202> my friend is the expert, he switched me over
[18:42] <xubuntu202> but he's not here to ask!!
[18:42] <xubuntu202> I suppose, what it is, is how do I change the 'default web browser' from chrome, which it doesn't recognise, to something that it will
[18:44] <xubuntu202> this is the error message: failed to execute child process "chrome" (No such file or directory)
[18:47] <xubuntu617> cool
[19:20] <Tim__> how do i change the network workgroup setting?
[19:22] <Tim__> Hi Nezzto
[19:23] <Tim__> hi dormito;  How do i change the network workgroup setting?
[19:25] <Tim__> Anyone?  How do i change the network workgroup setting?
[19:26] <tnk> Why is 13.10 sound not working? I can't get it to work! Seems a ton of people have been having this problem!
[19:28] <Tim__> i need my three computers to be on the same network workgroup
[19:32] <knome> !patience | Tim__
[19:33] <Tim__> Roger patience.  thank you.
[19:33] <junka> Tim__, https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/samba-fileserver.html
[19:36] <Tim__> Edit SMB.conf
[19:42] <Nezzto> I would like to host a Forum website, are there any recommendations for what to use?
[20:24] <xubuntu202> @tnk, did you find out about the sound issue? problem for me too, sound only works through headphones
[20:53] <freeman__> hi guys I am using a lenovo T510 with Nvidia Card where I find the setting to correct the brightness in the xorg.conf file?
[21:26] <freeman__> hi
[21:27] <freeman__> could someone help me please with my nvidia driver problem?
[22:19] <Type> Any optimization tips for a thinkpad T40
[22:20] <Type> 500mb ram
[22:20] <Type> 40gb hdd
[22:20] <Type> 1.7ghz
[22:21] <Meerkat> I really like the new menu in 14.04. Good work devs! =)
[22:28] <holstein> Type: add more ram if you can
[22:28] <Guest76480> what new menu?
[22:32] <Meerkat> Guest76480, http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Xubuntu-14-04-LTS-Beta-1-Trusty-Tahr-Gets-the-Whiskermenu-Launcher-Screenshot-Tour-430077-2.jpg
[22:32] <Guest76480> oh whisker menu. yeah search feature is cool. not th eone i use. but an improvement
[22:35] <Guest76480> i wonder when you'll be able to theme whisker menu
[22:35] <rawfodog> im having a hard time trying to find console emulators for xubuntu 64. Im trying to find some for SNES and MEGADRIVE
[22:36] <rawfodog> Is there a 3rd party repo I should be addding ?
[22:36] <holstein> rawfodog: there were many in the repos.. try using synaptic software manager to search
[22:37] <rawfodog> holstein, where is it in the menu ? I thought they removed it ...
[22:37] <holstein> rawfodog: they?
[22:38] <rawfodog> the team that manages ubuntu/xubuntu
[22:38] <holstein> rawfodog: im suggesting using another package manager to search for the applications you want. there are many ways to do that, though
[22:38] <rawfodog> oh ok
[22:38] <holstein> rawfodog: they removed synaptic?
[22:38] <holstein> rawfodog: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install synaptic
[22:38] <rawfodog> Well, I used to to be able to select it in old version of ubuntu. But its been years since I ve seen synaptic
[22:38] <holstein> use apt-cache search whatever if you prefer
[22:38] <rawfodog> Oh cool I didnt know I could add it back :)
[22:38] <rawfodog> thanks
[22:39] <Meerkat> bsnes shows up for me in software center
[22:39] <Guest76480> the position search feature near panel is nice for whisker
[22:39] <Guest76480> so no need to move mouse to type
[22:39] <rawfodog> Meerkat, my specs are low. bsnes needs a quad core I think
[22:40] <Meerkat> quad core for snes? jesus.
[22:44] <Meerkat> rawfodog, the only thing I can think of is http://emulator-zone.com/
[23:13] <Guest30661> how to get hibernation working on xubuntu besides sudo pm-hibernate.  always faded out from menu etc
[23:33]  * linuxthefish slaps i_dun_get_it around a bit with a large trout
[23:33] <i_dun_get_it> ello
[23:35] <Guest30661> Any tips on how to bring back hibernate on xfce?
[23:41] <delt> lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions <--- why am i getting tons of these in my kernel logs?
[23:50] <skribblezatcha> i would turn off the screensave Guest30661, as well as make sure that you have a swap partition of the right size.


[07:05] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:41] <jluc> Bon appétit
[12:26] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:34] <meecoder> hi
[13:20] <SP33D> Hello i have no wineproceses running and the app starter still in in the sidebar
[13:20] <SP33D> how can i end it when it don't whants to exit
[13:20] <SP33D> i tryed to grep processes for a indicator or else but don't found it
[23:42] <mikeg3> Hi….I am running Ubuntu 14.10 and I don't need to type a password to log in (even though I want to type one.)  Autologin is off.  Does anyone know what may be going on?
[23:47] <mikeg3> sorry I am using version 14.04.  This is the wrong channel.
[23:49] <meecoder> try #ubuntu then
[23:49] <meecoder> but you could check your settings


[06:39] <dashua> http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot-1_2.1233297545.png
[06:39] <dashua> Still hacking, but this looks pretty damn nice.
[06:40] <dashua> I need some help from kido if he is ever about.
[07:24] <tretle> what is the name of the icon for websites in the navbars of web browsers again
[07:35] <savvas> tretle: favico ?
[07:36] <savvas> <link rel="shortcut icon" href="/favicon.ico">
[15:21] <dashua> Does anyone how to readable text on the menubar for Dust?  I'm trying some different options and have most issues worked out.
[15:22] <dashua> http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-The_Widget_Factory.png
[15:23] <_MMA_> dashua: For studio, to get light text there I do:
[15:23] <_MMA_> style "murrine-menubar"
[15:23] <_MMA_> {
[15:23] <_MMA_> 	bg[NORMAL]= shade (0.75, @bg_color)
[15:23] <_MMA_> }
[15:24] <_MMA_> So its a shade of bg  normal.
[15:24] <dashua> _MMA_: Ok thx, let me try that.
[15:26] <_MMA_> dashua: You could reference anything there though. You could shade your text color one way or another.
[15:27] <dashua> This is more difficult than I thought with hybrid themes.
[15:51] <rsc-> are you modifying Dust?
[15:51] <rsc-> shouldn't Dust have white-on-dark menus by default?
[15:52] <_MMA_> "I'm trying some different options" :)
[16:38] <kwwii> I was running Dust on my laptop this week at the london office...several people asked me about it - it is quite popular it seems :)
[16:42] <_MMA_> kwwii: Too bad they aren't the people makin' the decisions. (I'm assuming) :P
[16:54] <kwwii> _MMA_: actually, they are ;)
[16:54] <kwwii> but we aren't making any major changes for JAunty
[16:54] <kwwii> the big plans are for +1, as the team is new and all
[16:55] <_MMA_> I see.
[16:59] <andreasn> kwwii, are you going to be at the London office sometime during February?
[17:00] <andreasn> I'm planning on visiting, but haven't decided any dates yet
[17:01] <kwwii> andreasn: I am in the london office every second week
[17:01] <kwwii> andreasn: so I will be back in london the week after next
[17:02] <andreasn> hm, what date is that?
[17:02] <kwwii> I returned today, leave for berlin tomorrow, staying a full week, and then leave for london sometime around the 9th
[17:03] <kwwii> I'll also be in london on the week of the 23rd
[17:03] <andreasn> and staying there till 13th or so?
[17:03] <kwwii> andreasn: yepp
[17:03] <kwwii> andreasn: I usually only stay 3-4 days
[17:03] <kwwii> which ones are up to me though
[17:03] <andreasn> a bit close to Fosdem, but maybe it could work
[17:04] <kwwii> yeah, I am skipping Fosdem (again) because of this
[17:04] <andreasn> if not, I'll look into the 23ish
[17:04] <kwwii> andreasn: cool, let me know when you are in town! I'll take you up to the office, it has quite a spectacular view of london
[17:04] <andreasn> sweet!
[17:05] <andreasn> thanks in advance!
[17:05] <andreasn> did the power manager icon issue sort itself out btw?
[17:05] <kwwii> andreasn: it looks like we are going to patch gpm to use different percentages *and* fix the human icons
[17:06] <kwwii> currently it seems to change at 90,70,50,30, and 20
[17:07] <andreasn> I'm currently redoing the smaller sizes for upstream (to be easier to read)
[17:07] <andreasn> isn't it 020, 040, 060, 080 and 100?
[17:07] <kwwii> erm, make that 90,70,50,30,10
[17:07] <kwwii> those are the names of the icons...but I sat and watched at which percentages they change
[17:08] <kwwii> I was thinking of changing it to 80,60,40,30,20
[17:08] <kwwii> naturally, there is 100 as well :p
[17:08] <kwwii> and a pop-up that appears when it gets close to 10 it seems
[17:08] <kwwii> althought that pop-up might be time based
[17:08] <kwwii> ideally, it would all be time based
[17:09] <andreasn> http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-power-manager/trunk/data/icons/16x16/status/
[17:10] <andreasn> hm, I wonder if upstream and human have different levels all together
[17:10] <kwwii> it seems the icons are named the same...and I don't think we have patched it
[17:11] <kwwii> but they might be different
[17:11] <kwwii> the biggest problem was the human icons, which showed orange for 40, red for 20 and simply grey at 0
[17:11] <andreasn> crap, where in /usr/share/icons/human are the gpm icons, now again?
[17:12] <kwwii> 40 is shown between 50-30, 20 between 30-10 and 0 from 10-0
[17:13] <kwwii> andreasn: 22x22/apps
[17:13] <kwwii> andreasn: there is a lot of interest from canonical to work on this with upstream if possible though (they keep asking me)
[17:14] <andreasn> ah, yes, the names are the same
[17:14] <kwwii> andreasn: another issue they want to work on is the network manager icons
[17:14] <andreasn> oh, cool
[17:14] <kwwii> apparently Dell was unhappy with the current ones
[17:14] <andreasn> for nm or gpm?
[17:15] <kwwii> although, again, the human icons are different from the gnome versions
[17:15] <kwwii> for nm
[17:15] <kwwii> they've had quite a few customers complaining that they cannot find the network icon (or how to configure the network)
[17:15] <kwwii> I think that the fucntionality of the nm-applet needs to be changed as well though
[17:16] <andreasn> yeah, probably
[17:17] <andreasn> anyway, better fix dinner now, need to go over to a friend for his birthday party in a hour or two
[17:17] <andreasn> and I'll let you know when I've booked the flight tickets and stuff
[17:17] <andreasn> take care, later!
[17:37]  * kwwii is off to dinner, packing for berlin, etc
[19:39] <savvas> do you know a free alternative to calibri font?
[19:41] <_MMA_> savvas: "free" in what sense?
[19:43] <savvas> _MMA_: free to redistribute in pdfs etc
[19:44] <savvas> as far as I've read, calibri is licensed only to windows users
[19:44] <savvas> :P
[19:45] <_MMA_> savvas: I'm not finding much of anything. If you convert the font to vector will that work for you?
[19:45] <savvas> I am allowed to do that?
[19:45] <savvas> if so, that'd be great :P
[19:45]  * _MMA_ shrugs.
[19:45] <_MMA_> I know in Inkscale I convert the fonts to vector then output to PDF.
[19:46] <thorwil> savvas: in the US, there's no copyright on letter shapes
[19:46] <_MMA_> You can't edit later but it still scales well.
[19:46] <thorwil> savvas: but there could be in other jurisdictions
[19:46] <_MMA_> *Inkscape
[19:46] <savvas> hmm
[19:46] <thorwil> savvas: in short, it's not clear at all and if in doubt, don't
[19:47] <savvas> you might be right
[19:47] <savvas> I'll just use Dejavu and MgOpen fonts :P
[19:49] <thorwil> savvas: you could also become your own type designer. in only a few years, you might come up with something that can almost, but not really, be compared with calibri
[19:53] <dashua> _MMA_: Would you mind testing a theme for me or anyone who prefers darker themes?
[19:54] <_MMA_> dashua: Can't atm. I got alot going on with Studio testing and the family.
[19:55] <dashua> Ah ok, np
[19:57] <dashua> Would you mind if I send it to the ml for some feedback?
[19:57] <thorwil> dashua: i don't think anyone would mind
[19:58] <thorwil> strange that you ask, actually ;)
[19:58] <dashua> Ok great :)
[19:58] <dashua> I don't want to bog the ml down.
[20:17] <dashua> Your mail to 'ubuntu-art' Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
[20:17] <thorwil> dashua: you are subscribed to the list?
[20:18] <dashua> Yes
[20:18] <dashua> I've never seen that before.
[20:18] <thorwil> so that must be the start of moderation/whitelisting
[20:18] <dashua> Yeah
[20:18] <thorwil> dashua: or did you attach something?
[20:18] <_MMA_> kwwii? ^^^
[20:18] <dashua> I attached the theme and a few screenshots
[20:19] <dashua> Maybe they were too large.
[20:20] <_MMA_> dashua: Which address?
[20:20] <dashua> Should I cancel and change the screenshots to thumbs?
[20:20] <_MMA_> I personally only use links.
[20:20] <dashua><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:21] <_MMA_> No. Yours
[20:22] <dashua><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:22] <SiDi> hi
[20:24] <_MMA_> dashua: Ok. I put it through.
[20:24] <dashua> Ah thx
[20:24] <_MMA_> dashua: But how big was it? 3MB? I would host pics somewhere else from now on.
[20:25] <dashua> Yeah, I'll throw them on Flickr from now on
[20:29] <dashua> brb, new kernel
[20:30] <kwwii> _MMA_: erm, they told me they would wait until I discussed this with them
[20:30] <kwwii> let me ask
[20:31] <kwwii> hehe, no..it is the size of the attachments :p
[20:31] <kwwii> _MMA_: you can go to the interface and let that mail through
[20:31] <kwwii> erm, I should have read all the way back :p
[20:31] <kwwii> duh
[20:36] <_MMA_> :P
[20:44] <_MMA_> dashua: The list has a limit of 1000 KB. So watch the attachment sizes.
[20:44] <dashua> _MMA_: Alright, np.
[21:11] <darkmatter> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3BNb4_Z4fY <-- epic
[23:59] <tretle> hi, could someone point me in the right direction to adding speech bubbles to blog posts similar to how planet gnome does it?


:D


[18:07] <oswin> hi, does someone now if is possible to access the hard drive when starting an xubuntu live cd?
[18:09] <oswin> sorry not now but how :-)
[18:28] <genii> oswin: Support in #xubuntu please
[18:48] <flocculant> but yes
[18:48] <flocculant> perhaps
[20:09] <Unit193> knome: So basically all we have for this cycle is the XPL/council thing?
[20:09] <knome> the LTS+1 cycles are always a bit boring
[20:10] <knome> then we have that #lovexubuntu campaign for xubuntu's 10th birthdat
[20:10] <knome> birthday too
[20:10] <knome> some improvements for the website
[20:10] <knome> that's what i can think of now
[20:12] <Unit193> Only stuff on my 'todo' (or toreview. :P ) is the xubuntu-dev/extras stuff.
[20:13] <knome> mhm
[20:25] <Unit193> (And some of that is pending on XTL anyway.)
[20:35] <genii> Is there some actual exact day that the tenth birthday will be held, or is this an ongoing event?
[20:35] <knome> the exact birthday went, but we're doing the social media campaign "during the summer"
[20:36] <genii> Ah, OK
[21:54] <flexiondotorg> bluesabre, Are Xubuntu planning to participate in 16.10 alpha 1?
[21:55] <Unit193> As far as I know, we are not.  flocculant could say.
[21:57] <flexiondotorg> OK, I'll wait to see what flocculant says.
[22:00] <Unit193> knome: Oh, what about that doku meetingology generator?
[22:00]  * knome hides
[22:01] <Unit193> Wiki is horribly slow, as usual..
[22:02] <Unit193> flexiondotorg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive/Minutes/2016-05-02 so yeah, we're not gonna do A1.
[22:09] <flexiondotorg> Unit193, OK. Thanks.


[19:21] <DarthFrog> JuJuBee: What does "lspic -v | less" tell you?
[19:22] <Agu10> DarthFrog: I didn't change the configuration. it should be the default one.
[19:22] <DarthFrog> JuJuBee: Oops, that should be "lspci" not "lspic".  sorry.
[19:22] <JuJuBee> I got that...
[19:22] <Agu10> I ONLY typed my wifi password
[19:22] <mforder> so anotherwords the check boxes are gone and true or false is there instead.  Yet double clicking this doesn't do anything
[19:23] <DarthFrog> Agu10: Then delete that connection and make a new one in NetworkManager?
[19:23] <Agu10> DarthFrog: will that cut my internet connection?
[19:24] <DarthFrog> Agu10: I don't know.  Perhaps.  Does it matter?
[19:24] <Agu10> I'll try it
[19:25] <JuJuBee> DarthFrog: Intel 82Q35 it seems, but I only see reference to that one, no other.  I doubt the add on card is the same as the onboard...?
[19:25] <DarthFrog> JuJuBee: You should see two entries, one for each card.
[19:26] <JuJuBee> Only mention of display is http://pastie.org/1429111
[19:27] <mforder> I am using kwallet
[19:27] <DarthFrog> JuJuBee:  Paste the output of "lspci", without the -v.
[19:27] <mforder> oops sorry thats not for me lol
[19:28] <JuJuBee> DarthFrog: ok, same paste
[19:29] <DarthFrog> JuJuBee:  Did you disable one of the video cards in BIOS?
[19:29] <JuJuBee> no
[19:29] <JuJuBee> At the moment, both are displaying same desktop (clone)
[19:30] <Agu10_> of course. you need to change lots of text files to make it work how you want it
[19:30] <DarthFrog> Well, I'd try disabling the on-board card in BIOS, then see what the system sees with lspci.
[19:30] <Agu10_> and they WILL crash your GPU driver
[19:30] <Agu10_> ;)
[19:30] <JuJuBee> ok, I will try that.
[19:30] <JuJuBee> thanks
[19:31] <DarthFrog> Agu10_: You don't have to edit text files normally.  However, some of us actually prefer doing things that way, believe it or not. Really.
[19:32] <domux_> hi there !!
[19:32] <Agu10_> DarthFrog: and why is that?
[19:33] <Agu10_> why would you prefer to edit the text file than using a GUI ?
[19:36] <ralsina> Agu10_: I do that sometimes because I have not found a way to grep the UI
[19:37] <Agu10_> ralsina: to grep?
[19:37] <Agu10_> whats that?
[19:37] <ralsina> Agu10_: meaning, I know I have to change something that involves the word "AxeCop" (say, a host name). I can just use grep (a command) to know what file has that word.
[19:37] <ralsina> Then I edit it, and that's that.
[19:38] <ralsina> On the GUI, I have to know beforehand where that needs to be changed.
[19:38] <ralsina> So, files are good if you don't want to memorize everything.
[19:38] <skafti> how do i setup windows in wine ?
[19:38] <maco> you don't
[19:38] <Agu10_> ralsina: oh yeah but that's if you know you need to change AxeCop
[19:38] <maco> wine reimplements the win32 api so windows programs can run
[19:38] <Agu10_> skafti: wtf?
[19:39] <skafti> need to use autocad
[19:39] <maco> it is not a virtual machine, so you can't install windows in it
[19:39] <skafti> cant do that with kubuntu
[19:39] <Agu10_> skafti: try to install it. just double click the installer
[19:39] <ralsina> Agu10_: that's the thing. For example, if I know the computer is now called AxeCop and I want to change it to DarkPig ... well, that's just easier with files, really.
[19:39] <Agu10_> skafti: it will open it in wine
[19:39] <skafti> ah ok thanks
[19:39] <maco> skafti:  im not sure autocad works with wine. did you check the winehq site and see?
[19:39] <ralsina> Agu10_: different ways for different tasks.
[19:39] <skafti> nope
[19:39] <Agu10_> ralsina: you would find thousands of files with that text
[19:39] <maco> skafti: if autocad doesnt work in wine, install virtualbox and setup a windows virtual machine
[19:39] <ralsina> Agu10_: nope.
[19:40] <ralsina> Agu10_: Let me show you!
[19:40] <Agu10_> ?
[19:40] <Agu10_> ok
[19:41] <JuJuBee> DarthFrog: turned off desktop effects and works like a charm
[19:41] <Agu10_> lol
[19:42] <ralsina> Agu10_: this is a bad example, because it's on a virtual box called natty, which is the name of the release, so you will usually get much less files than this ;-)
[19:43] <Agu10_> ralsina: lol
[19:43] <Agu10_> ralsina: that's what I mean xD
[19:43] <ralsina> http://pastebin.com/957LsYBA
[19:43] <Agu10_> it's not the ultimate solution
[19:43] <ralsina> In real life, you get exactly ONE file, which is the one you need to edit
[19:43] <Agu10_> what format are most config files?
[19:43] <Agu10_> why not XML ?
[19:43] <Agu10_> instead of that weird thing they are
[19:43] <ralsina> Agu10_: why don't you take a look? See what's in /etc/hostname
[19:44] <ralsina> Agu10_: because they are meant to be human-editable
[19:44] <ralsina> Agu10_: and XML is not such a thing
[19:44] <Agu10_> not?
[19:44] <Agu10_> I thought XML was human editable
[19:44] <ralsina> Agu10_: not
[19:44] <ralsina> Agu10_: you must know weird humans
[19:44] <Agu10_> then why does XML exist at all?
[19:44] <Agu10_> why not use binary then?
[19:44] <ralsina> Agu10_: it's machine-editable
[19:44] <Agu10_> yes, binary
[19:44] <ralsina> Agu10_: and it's generic
[19:45] <Agu10_> XML is for humans
[19:45] <Agu10_> XML is easy. it's for humans too
[19:45] <ralsina> Agu10_: Oh, really? Start openoffice. Create a document with ONE word in it. Then unzip the odt file and check the large XML file
[19:45] <ralsina> Agu10_: let me know if you can edit it ;-)
[19:45] <Agu10_> ralsina: that's probably a HUGE XML file
[19:45] <ralsina> Agu10_: it has 2 lines!
[19:46] <Agu10_> ralsina: no enters ;)
[19:46] <ralsina> Agu10_: and represents a document with one word in it!
[19:46] <Agu10_> or just 1
[19:46] <Agu10_> ralsina: so what? it has lots of other info in it
[19:47] <Agu10_> though if it's default settings, it should not contain that much info...
[19:47] <ralsina> Agu10_: so, basically, it's human-editable, except when it is not human-editable ;-)
[19:47] <Agu10_> but yeah, it's human editable
[19:47] <Agu10_> XML is human editable
[19:47] <ralsina> Agu10_: please try it.
[19:47] <Agu10_> ok, lemme try
[19:47] <ralsina> Agu10_: if a human can't edit it, it's not ;-)
[19:48] <Agu10_> what's the text editor?
[19:48] <Agu10_> with which program should I open it?
[19:49] <ralsina> If you are in kubuntu, you can use kwrite
[19:49] <ralsina> remember to unzip the .odt first
[19:49] <Agu10_> kwrite not found
[19:49] <Agu10_> oh ok
[19:49] <ralsina> Install it?
[19:50] <Agu10_> oh no!  If the format lets you do that, sysadmins hate it. That's why config files use simple formats that can't get out of hand.
[19:54] <ralsina> Agu10_: for example, here's the content of /etc/hostname  (the example Imentioned):  one line, it has to be your host name.
[19:54] <DarthFrog> XML has its uses.  Plain text files have their uses.  Used properly, both work very well.
[19:54] <ralsina> DarthFrog: indeed.
[19:54] <ralsina> System config files is not one of the places for XML, though.
[19:54] <DarthFrog> Used wrongly, you get a bad attitude.
[19:55] <friese> hi, nobody in #compiz answers me, so i'll post it here :)
[19:56] <DarthFrog> ralsina: I like the way KDE does a registry.  The canonical version is plain text, but the working version is binary.  If the working version becomes corrupted, its tossed and rebuilt from the text file.
[19:56] <gibran> hi guys
[19:56] <ralsina> DarthFrog: yes, that works well.
[19:56] <friese> im running kubuntu 10.10 with colibri and compiz. the compiz-animations shouldnt animate my colibri notifications, but ccsm cant catch the window-class of colibri, anyone knows it?
[19:57] <gibran> need some help with something. i recently installed Kubuntu for my friend and saved her from the msvirus.How can i get the icons bar that pops up when you click it? like on a apl desktop?
[19:58] <DarthFrog> gibran: You can set the panel to autohide.
[19:58] <shane4ubuntu> seems that strigi keeps crashing and stops indexing
[19:58] <shane4ubuntu> any ideas on that?
[19:59] <friese> you mean the dashboard? on my gnome desktop i had docky, idk if it works with kde or if there is something better
[19:59] <rtdos> is there a way to get kate to open up last opened document when launching kate?
[19:59] <gibran> and i have trouble with her rekonq, there is no sidescroll on the window.like i cant scroll down
[20:00] <DarthFrog> shane4ubuntu: Strigi, nepomuk and virtuoso are all part of the semantic desktop, which seems to be lacking maturity at this stage.  You can turn off strigi and nepomuk without problems.
[20:01] <friese> so, anyone knows something for my colibri-problem?
[20:01] <DarthFrog> Virtuoso seems to just be a resource hog AFAICT.
[20:02] <DarthFrog> friese: If anyone could provide help, they would have already jumped in.  Sorry.
[20:02] <shane4ubuntu> DarthFrog: well, I kind of wanted to use it. :)
[20:03] <DarthFrog> shane4ubuntu: Then restart it after it crashes. :-)
[20:03] <shane4ubuntu> DarthFrog: I have a full time job just restarting it. :)  lol
[20:04] <DarthFrog> shane4ubuntu: Sounds like you are motivated to file bug reports and help improve it. :-)
[20:04] <shane4ubuntu> twill do, will do.
[20:11] <gibran> anyone know how to setup the scroll sidebar on rekonq? i cant find a scroll sidebar
[20:13] <domux_> i don't have rekonq anymore but check this out in rekonq setting
[20:42] <Daskreech> Agu10_: GUIs are limited
[20:43] <Daskreech> Agu10_: Unix existed for 45 years before XML existed might be one reason
[20:44] <rtdos> what is the difference between rekonq and konquerer?
[20:44] <ralsina> rtdos: they are not the same program?
[20:44] <smoothtaste> Visual layout's a lot different.
[20:44] <DarthFrog> rtdos: rekonq uses WebKit and Konqueror uses KHTML.
[20:44] <Daskreech> ralsina: Kubuntu ships kate :)
[20:45] <smoothtaste> 10.04 has konquerer
[20:45] <domux_> rekonq is a webkit
[20:45] <smoothtaste> 10.10 has rekonq
[20:45] <ralsina> Daskreech: I though kwrite was just kate part with a simpler UI ;-)
[20:45] <smoothtaste> Rekonq is built with Webkit, like mentioned above. Also built with webkit: Android's stock browser. :)
[20:46] <Daskreech> friese: You are far more likely to get help in #Ubuntu
[20:46] <Daskreech> ralsina: To be technical kate is just kwrite with a more complex gui since I think it came after kwrite
[20:47] <Daskreech> rtdos: Rekonq is a web browser
[20:47] <Daskreech> konqueror is a filetype viewer
[20:47] <domux_> and also a web browser !
[20:47] <DarthFrog> Daskreech: Wrongo, reindeer lover.
[20:47] <Daskreech> domux_: cause html happens to be a filetype :)
[20:47] <smoothtaste> :)
[20:48] <domux_> ;)
[20:48] <Daskreech> As are inodes and ark files and audio files etc
[20:48] <DarthFrog> Everything is a file, except network interfaces.
[20:48] <Daskreech> You can view nearly any filetype in Konqueror pretty much limited to html files in rekonq
[20:48] <Daskreech> DarthFrog: And people and groups
[20:48] <Daskreech> and konqueror can see them all
[20:49] <DarthFrog> First, you had the Internet Explorer, then the Navigator.  Lastly, the Konqueror. :-)
[20:49] <DarthFrog> Konqueror is first and foremost a browser.  On steroids.
[20:50] <rtdos> ah, ok, thanks guys.
[20:51] <rtdos> solifugus, darth frog, what is the difference? difference engines?
[20:51] <DarthFrog> rtdos: Yes.  Webkit vs. KHTML
[20:51] <rtdos> ah, okie dokie. thanks. :)
[20:52] <DarthFrog> rtdos: Webkit, as I understand it, is based upon KHTML.  I believe it comes from Apple.
[20:52] <DarthFrog> Tho' I could be wrong there.
[20:52] <rtdos> used in safari, darthfrog?
[20:53] <DarthFrog> rtdos: Yes.
[20:53] <DarthFrog> I think.  :-)
[20:53]  * DarthFrog doesn't run Mac OS.  But would like to.
[20:53]  * rtdos is glad i don't have even access to internet explorer anymore. :)
[20:53] <DarthFrog> rtdos: You do, actually,  It can run under wine.
[20:54] <rtdos> darthfrog: won't even try that one. :)
[20:54] <rtdos> its off my machine for good. :-D
[20:54]  * smoothtaste hates Safari.
[20:55] <rtdos> btw, i have a question about wine, since you brought it up darthfrog, where does it install programs if i open a setup file with wine?
[20:56] <DarthFrog> rtdos: Under ~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files
[20:56] <domux_> i think it install it under ./wine
[20:56] <DarthFrog> domux_: Not ./, ~   They are different.
[20:56] <domux_> yeah
[20:56] <DarthFrog> ./ is current directory.  ~ is home directory.
[20:57] <shane4ubuntu> rtdos: actually the nice thing about wine is that you can run it in bottles
[20:57] <shane4ubuntu> I have a few different wine directories so I don't mess up an app I really like, it runs in it's own bottle.
[20:58] <shane4ubuntu> WINEPREFIX=~/.winetest winecfg
[20:59] <shane4ubuntu> actually it is: WINEPREFIX="/home/username/.winetest" winecfg    would setup a new 'bottle' or directory to work out of.
[21:00] <domux_> how do you answer someone with this background color darthfrog
[21:00] <domux_> im using quassel
[21:00] <DarthFrog> domux_: ???  What does background colour have to do with anything?
[21:03] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[21:03] <domux_> just asking because each time you answer me im seeing an orange colour
[21:04] <yofel> domux_: say his nick in the line
[21:04] <yofel> domux_: this
[21:04] <yofel> compared to this
[21:04] <domux_> ohh okay
[21:04] <domux_> thanks yofel
[21:04] <yofel> ;)
[21:04] <DarthFrog> domux_:  Also, try prefacing your comment with /me.   Have the / in the first column.
[21:04] <phoenix_firebrd> domux_: that is called a hilighted message, you get it when some one typed your nickname
[21:05] <rtdos> and drink it out of glasses, shane4ubuntu (sorry couldn't resist)
[21:05]  * yofel thinks that's nice too indeed ;)
[21:05] <rtdos> thanks darthfrog
[21:05] <shane4ubuntu> rtdos: right, I thought it odd at first, but they really do call it bottles.
[21:06] <phoenix_firebrd> domux_: type few letters of a nickname and press tab buttun to complete it, repeted pressing of the tab button shows the possible matches
[21:06]  * DarthFrog agrees with yofel.  Nice, indeed.
[21:06] <domux_> DarthFrog: test
[21:06] <domux_> okay good
[21:07] <rtdos> shane4ubuntu, can wine handle most all versions of windows from 3x upto and include Vista (32bit)?
[21:08] <phoenix_firebrd> domux_: this thing works in kopete too
[21:08] <DarthFrog> domux_:  Tab completion of nicknames is very nice.  But please be careful using it; many times folks get sloppy and don't get the right nick.
[21:08] <domux_> phoenix_firebrd: good to know
[21:08] <shane4ubuntu> rtdos: hmm, I think, honestly I haven't messed around with 3x stuff, xp and up for me usually, but I think it can, I know vista is now in the config selection choices
[21:09] <phoenix_firebrd> domux_: nice :)
[21:09]  * DarthFrog finds quassel too much.  Konversation is a simpler IRC client.
[21:09] <domux_> :)
[21:09] <yofel> DarthFrog: how is it too much? the monolithic client is pretty simple
[21:09]  * rtdos prefers xchat and ponders why darthfrog likes konversation?
[21:09] <shane4ubuntu> rtdos: wow, down to 2.0!  run winecfg in the terminal and at the bottom you have your windows version selection box, from 2.0 all the way to win 7!
[21:10]  * shane4ubuntu is probably the ONLY one using pidgin. :)
[21:10] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: probaly not, but should be fine as long as you don't use empathy....
[21:11] <rtdos> 2.0 ? wow. that is wild.
[21:11] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: well, I meant in this room. :)  I didn't much care for empathy, that was a bad turn
[21:11] <DarthFrog> I used to use kvirc back in the days.  :-)
[21:11] <shane4ubuntu> rtdos: is that not crazy!
[21:12] <domux_> i'll try konversation so !
[21:12] <shane4ubuntu> I did like konverstation, it was nice for kde, and integrated well with the desktop as opposed to xchat, it didn't integrate as well back in the day.
[21:13] <owner_> IS THERE SITE WHERE SOME 1 CAN DOWN LOAD luinx kubuntun?
[21:14] <owner_> a friend down lad the site on my pc
[21:14] <owner_>  but i lost intouch with him
[21:14] <rtdos> wonder if i can find any windows 2.0 software anywhere :)
[21:14] <shane4ubuntu> owner_ http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu   there ya go
[21:15] <owner_> ty shane :)
[21:15] <shane4ubuntu> !kubuntu
[21:15] <owner_> that will help for luinx right?
[21:18] <rtdos> shane4ubuntu: is there even any win2.0 software anywhere still downloadable?
[21:18] <shane4ubuntu> rtdos: no idea, perhaps but I really don't know
[21:19] <DarthFrog> rtdos: And more appropriately, why would anyone care?
[21:19]  * DarthFrog ran Windows 1.0 at one point.  Came on a single 360 K floppy.
[21:22] <rtdos> just to play around with (after all, i still play reversi but it only came with Windows 3) :)
[21:25] <Miro8> i accidentally deleted my wifi driver.. how can i install it again?
[21:26] <yofel> Miro8: you mean the .ko file? reinstall your kernel image
[21:26] <Miro8> yofel: yes and how??
[21:27] <yofel> Miro8: which release are you running?
[21:27] <Miro8> Ubuntu 10.10
[21:28] <yofel> Miro8: ok, I'm not sure how to do this in kpackagekit, so open a Konsole and type 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.35-24-generic'
[21:28] <Miro8> ok
[21:33] <shane4ubuntu> how do I disconnect and reconnect my internet?  I have yet to install ifup eth0 doesn't seem to work anylonger.
[21:34] <shane4ubuntu> just says ignoring interface eth0  yet ifconfig -a lists eth0 as the connected thing
[21:35] <rtdos> i get this error when i try to browse drive c: in wine "Unable to run the command specified. The file or folder file:///home/jeff/Documents/.wine/dosdevices/c: does not exist." but when i go to wine configuration screen it won't let me change the drive location. how can i fix this?
[21:36] <shane4ubuntu> ok, figured that out, how do I set my ip with the network manager that is installed??
[21:37] <shane4ubuntu> rtdos: it should be file://home/jeff/.wine/dosdevices/c:
[21:37] <shane4ubuntu> I don't think Documents in there is correct, unless you are talking about inside a window app of some sort.
[21:41] <rtdos> how do i changed it, shane, it won't let me?
[21:44] <rtdos> shane4ubuntu, this is the command entry in my menu:   xdg-open .wine/dosdevices/c:
[21:54] <Daskreech> rtdos: Yes wine works all the way back to 3.x
[21:55] <rtdos> daskreech, i get this error when i try to browse c: drive on my kwin menu: Unable to run the command specified. The file or folder file:///home/jeff/Documents/.wine/dosdevices/c: does not exist.
[21:56] <Daskreech> rtdos: Does it exist?
[21:56] <rtdos> yes.
[21:57] <Daskreech> Why is it there?
[21:57] <rtdos> don't know.
[21:57] <rtdos> where should it be?
[21:57] <rtdos> or how do i reset .wine settings to default (obviously removing the .wine directory didn't work)
[21:58] <rtdos> won't let me change location in wine config.
[21:58] <GinoMan> Hey, I installed a package, and it failed because the dependancies listed are "sun-java6-jre which is a virtual package. or
[21:58] <GinoMan>                            icedtea-java7-jre which is a virtual package. or
[21:58] <GinoMan>                            sun-java6-jdk which is a virtual package. or
[21:58] <GinoMan>                            icedtea-java7-jdk which is a virtual package."
[21:58] <FloodBotK2> GinoMan: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:58] <Miro8> how can i open /lib/ in a window explorer?
[21:59] <yofel> GinoMan: those icedtea packages are wrong, someone needs to fix the package - and you can get sun-java from the partner repository
[21:59] <yofel> (enable it in software sources)
[21:59] <rtdos> daskreech, this is the entry in my menu: xdg-open .wine/dosdevices/c:
[21:59] <GinoMan> ok... I was about to ask how to make it say "that package is there correctly even though I don't think it is" because it works
[22:00] <GinoMan> but the package manager thinks it's broken
[22:01] <yofel> GinoMan: the package management doesn't support that, install the dependencies
[22:01] <yofel> where sun-java6-jre is what you actually can install
[22:07] <rtdos> how can i remove / purge wine and re-install wine with default settings? obviously removing .wine directory did not help
[22:09] <GinoMan> thanks
[22:11] <Daskreech> rtdos: winecfg doesn't allow you to change it?
[22:12] <Daskreech> rtdos: What is that relative to?
[22:13] <rtdos> /home/jeff/.wine/dosdevices/drive_c
[22:14] <rtdos> noaXess, daskreech, wine doesn't allow me to change location of drive c
[22:15] <rtdos> and when i tried to run ns48.exe (just for kicks) using the wine windows installer nothing came up.
[22:15] <kb3ien> finally got the thing installed and all it does in cause a K-panic.
[22:16] <kb3ien> i'm going back to vbox v3 at least it gave me VNC and didnt crash the os.
[22:16] <kb3ien> when im done migrating i'll try to get some debugging info to the developers.
[22:16] <rtdos> *BRB*
[22:17] <tiba> Hey , there!
[22:17] <tiba> ??
[22:18] <rork> hi tiba
[22:18] <tiba> hi
[22:18] <tiba> where r u froom?
[22:19] <rork> I'm from the Netherlands, but this is a support channel so general chat in #kubuntu-offtopic please
[22:19] <tiba> ok
[22:20] <rork> if you have any questions about kubuntu you're ofcourse most welcome to ask them :)
[22:21] <tiba> Hey you know how i can get windows messenger ?
[22:21] <tiba> i just saw how to do it with wine but i couldn't do it
[22:22] <GinoMan> tiba: use either pidgin or kopete, I like kopete, but your preferences may vary
[22:22] <rork> There are several native messagers that support the msn protocol, Kopete is the default one for Kubuntu, I'd suggest trying out that one before messing with Wine
[22:22] <tiba> I already know kopete
[22:22] <tiba> i've been using aMSN
[22:23] <tiba> pidgin and emesene
[22:23] <tiba> but i got lots of trouble with them
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> !info kmess
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> pretty good one, I hear$
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> s/$/^
[22:26] <rtdos> use dpkg to reset wine settings to default?
[22:27] <Agu10_> so
[22:52] <rtdos> how do i totally remove wine?
[22:52] <Agu10_> rtdos: why would you do such a thing?
[22:52] <Agu10_> you're fed up with windows, even with wine?
[22:52] <Agu10_> lol
[22:53] <rtdos> i can't change path for drive c: and i can't get it to launch when i use it to run a windows *.exe file
[22:53] <rtdos> or how i can reconfigure or reinstall wine to default settings?
[22:57] <rtdos> even with wine, yes, Agu10_ :)
[22:57] <yofel> rtdos: remove ~/.wine and run 'sudo apt-get purge wine' or whatever the packagename is
[22:58] <rtdos> i did that yofel, but it's still there (in my menu) and it still launches
[22:59] <yofel> no idea, it should't be able to launch if you remove all wine packages
[23:06] <mudassar> hello kubuntu people I need help regarding smtp and skype
[23:10] <mudassar> no one there ?
[23:40] <mudassar> i need help regarding smtp server


[05:59] <jussi> morning all
[05:59] <jussi> I have good news!
[05:59] <jussi> ITS FRIDAY! :D
[06:01] <ddecator> HAPPY FRIDAY jussi !
[06:01] <jussi> ddecator: thanks. its a good feeling :D
[06:01] <ddecator> jussi: especially good since i don't have any friday classes =)
[06:02] <jussi> ddecator: nice
[06:02] <jussi> ddecator: Ive had an extremely busy work week and Im looking forward to a relaxing weekend + a great UDS
[06:03] <ddecator> jussi: yah, i'm really looking forward to participating remotely in UDS
[06:03] <jussi> ddecator: Ill be there in person.
[06:03] <ddecator> jussi: mark me jealous
[06:06] <doctormo> jussi: Happy UK Election results day :-D
[06:06] <jussi> oh, its that too. same to you doctormo :D
[06:06] <doctormo> jussi: I'm happy because the Green party got a seat. Woot!
[06:06] <jussi> lol
[06:07] <jussi> Im a bit disappointed so far, as the Lib dems arent doing as well as they projected...
[06:13] <jussi> doctormo: do you know which party is the "others" that won one seat according to this page? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/election2010/results/
[06:13] <doctormo> jussi: Mostly DUP, SNP and Plyde Cumry, one green.
[06:14] <jussi> doctormo: no, Im trying to work out who the seat went to...
[06:14] <jussi> look at the bottom of the list
[06:14] <doctormo> It means Indipendant
[06:15] <jussi> oh ok
[07:20] <dpm> good morning all
[07:22] <akgraner> dpm good morning
[07:23] <dpm> hey akgraner, how's it going?
[07:23] <akgraner> just the person I needed to talk to about translation stuff
[07:23] <dpm> akgraner, :) do you mind posting the question and me answering later? I need to prepare something before 9:00 (in 40 mins)
[07:23] <akgraner> I was hoping you could look over the UWN translations effort that seems to be stalled and advise
[07:23] <akgraner> it can wait weeks
[07:24] <akgraner> there is no hurry
[07:25] <akgraner> dpm, it's all good  - we can discuss it after UDS :-)
[07:26] <dpm> akgraner, sure, thanks :)
[07:41] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:10] <dholbach> good morning
[08:16] <dpm> morning dholbach, morning czajkowski
[08:16] <dholbach> hey dpm
[08:17] <czajkowski> dpm: hey there ,hows you??
[08:18] <dpm> heya czajkowski, I'm fine, busy doing general catch up, preparing UDS sessions and this morning the plenary presentation on Launchpad Translations and better upstream integration in translations
[08:19] <czajkowski> busy so :)
[08:19] <akgraner> dpm, are there any plenary sessions open?
[08:20] <dpm> akgraner, what do you mean by open?
[08:20] <dpm> sorry, need to go on a call, bbl
[08:20] <akgraner> k
[08:24] <dpm> akgraner, (I can probably answer while we sort out this freaking skype). What I know from plenaries is that Jorge is scheduling them, but we lost quite a lot of plenary space because there is a lady doing a 1h one
[08:25] <akgraner> ahh ok - so just touchbase with jorge
[08:26] <akgraner> he ask me to do one but I wasn't sure if he scheduled it
[08:26] <akgraner> and we both got busy - you know how it goes
[08:26] <akgraner> was just sorting out my todo list
[08:26] <czajkowski> 1hr plenary
[08:26] <czajkowski> LORDIE
[08:27] <dpm> :)
[08:28] <doctormo> Lordie
[08:35] <Daviey> czajkowski: you called?
[08:38] <czajkowski> no...
[08:44]  * dholbach hugs you all
[08:44] <akgraner> might be interesting  - sounds like a lunchtime keynote
[08:44] <akgraner> dholbach, thanks
[08:47] <dpm> The things people tweet and dent about...
[08:47] <dpm> http://twitpic.com/1lmt3w
[08:48] <jussi> Im tired.
[08:51] <czajkowski> dpm: is that real...
[08:53] <dpm> czajkowski, course it is, next one is going to be Britney Spears :)
[08:53]  * czajkowski pokes dpm
[08:54]  * dpm hugs czajkowski ;)
[11:51] <popey> Shhhhh it's oooh so quiet!
[11:52] <akgraner> popey be bery bery quiet  - they
[11:53] <nigelbabu> popey: lets make some noise!
[11:53] <akgraner> are hunting rabbits
[11:53] <nigelbabu> heya akgraner
[11:53] <akgraner> rabbit season
[11:53] <popey> wabbits!
[11:53] <akgraner> nigelbabu, hi
[11:53] <nigelbabu> akgraner: have be broken records with open week yet?
[11:53] <nigelbabu> we did with -release-par
[11:53] <nigelbabu> *party
[11:54] <akgraner> nah actually attendance it a bit down this release
[11:54] <nigelbabu> hm, thats strange :/
[11:55] <akgraner> nah we didn't have as many people blogging and stuff about open week prior
[11:56] <nigelbabu> akgraner: we could consider advertising as part of release announcement or something, at least on our blogs
[11:56] <nigelbabu> have some nice graphics like "I'm going to Open Week" ;)
[11:57] <nigelbabu> a lot of folks picked up the announcement, if they were to pick up open week too, it would give us nice attention
[11:58] <akgraner> There are open week graphics and stuff
[11:58] <akgraner> and there is still good attendance - but we can do better next time
[11:58] <nigelbabu> I'll try to help with the publicity party :)
[11:59] <akgraner> :-)  I don't think jcastro would disagree about the numbers part for this open week
[12:00] <nigelbabu> maybe we need to brainstom more on how to get attendance in classroom beyond contributors
[12:00] <akgraner> nigelbabu, Karmic release week  - we had scheduled when people would blog
[12:00] <akgraner> and kept something on the planet almost daily about
[12:01] <nigelbabu> akgraner: you mean spam the planet about it every 6 hours?
[12:01] <nigelbabu> ;D
[12:01] <akgraner> hehe
[12:01] <qense> I remember Daniel posting a summary of the day's sessions during the OpenWeek.
[12:01] <akgraner> something like that but with various people around the community blogging
[12:02] <nigelbabu> that helps, because some people dont follow the planet because it has too much noise
[12:02] <nigelbabu> they follow individual blogs of community members
[12:02] <akgraner> nigelbabu, basically like 3 or 4 weeks before open week
[12:03] <nigelbabu> akgraner: ah, we'll plan better next time :)
[12:03] <akgraner> there is an open week meeting pep ralley thing in -meeting
[12:03] <nigelbabu> when?
[12:03] <akgraner> and people say  I can blog on this day
[12:03] <akgraner> I will blog on that day
[12:04] <akgraner> so everyone doesn't blog about it on the same day
[12:04] <nigelbabu> oh, I missed that one then
[12:04] <akgraner> a controlled blogging campaign if you will to keep buzz about it
[12:04] <akgraner> I'll have to go back and look  - this was like 7 + months ago or something
[12:05] <nigelbabu> akgraner: we'll just plan for the next cycle better :)
[12:05] <qense> akgraner: This is certainly something to discuss during the planned UDS sessions. I assume you're writing this all down for that, or are remembering it?
[12:05] <nigelbabu> there is a session for it at UDS right?
[12:05] <qense> two, iirc
[12:05] <qense> although there were calls to merge thsoe
[12:05] <nigelbabu> yes, I've subscribed
[12:06] <qense> akgraner: You could put it on the Blueprints' whiteboards.
[12:06] <akgraner> nigelbabu, yep jcastro and I already talked about next open week what we can do better kinda stuff  :-) and now you all are making commitments to help get the word out
[12:06] <akgraner> :-)
[12:07] <akgraner> so yeah - that's what makes it beautiful - community collaboration for continually awesomeness
[12:09] <nigelbabu> akgraner: we have a UUD coming up, so we can plan for a trial run for plans then
[12:09] <akgraner> nigelbabu, qense I think and could be wrong - but with all the *ubuntu weeks we have - the campaign to promote those could almost be the same
[12:09] <qense> yeah
[12:09] <akgraner> we just change the name of the *ubuntu week
[12:09] <akgraner> and have a check list  - which I think we started last time
[12:09] <akgraner> I'll have to look
[12:09] <qense> We should make sure the visual identity is right each time, though! Remember the dots!
[12:10] <akgraner> and we just keep improving and adjusting and adding to
[12:10] <akgraner> qense, *nods*
[12:10] <qense> It's good to document the processes so others can easily pick it up and continue with it if someone leaves or if they want to help.
[12:10] <nhandler> Good morning
[12:10] <qense> morning
[12:10] <akgraner> qense, yep - my "if I get hit by a bus" clause :-)
[12:10] <qense> exactly
[12:10] <akgraner> nhandler, hi
[12:11] <nhandler> Good morning akgraner
[12:12] <akgraner> I also think for some reason  - this week - *everybody* was busier than they were last cycle at this time
[12:12] <akgraner> I could be wrong but it seems like it
[12:12] <qense> Yeah, everyone was really a lot busier the weeks before the release than last year.
[12:13] <akgraner> qense, which to me says - wow - community contribution has grown
[12:13] <jussi> we did get a high in #ubuntu - 2120
[12:13] <qense> akgraner: It's good news indeed, but not so much for the OpenWeek. ;)
[12:13] <qense> Maybe we should consider a different time for the week?
[12:14] <qense> Some time when everyone's less busy?
[12:14] <akgraner> qense, I am not sure you would find a better week
[12:14] <akgraner> and now there has been 8 open weeks
[12:14] <qense> That's true and the week after the release is the peek of Ubuntu-interest...
[12:15] <qense> peak
[12:15] <akgraner> it is almost ingrained that it goes release week --> open week--> uds
[12:15] <qense> yeah
[12:15] <qense> We'll cope with it.
[12:15] <akgraner> lions and tigers and bears o'my
[12:15] <akgraner> :-)
[12:18] <akgraner> qense, the turn out isn't bad by any means
[12:18] <qense> I saw that, you've done a wonderful job at the week. I just think you deserve a greater audience.
[12:18] <akgraner> but yeah  - adapt and overcome :-)
[12:19] <nigelbabu> akgraner: we're trying to combat the time problem with uud
[12:19] <nigelbabu> its going to be 24 hours (if we get instructors)
[12:19] <akgraner> *nods*
[12:20] <akgraner> nigelbabu, yeah I was following the conversations about it
[12:20] <nigelbabu> :)
[12:23] <akgraner> I know for me personally I have identified how to narrow my scope without dimensioning the quality of contribution going forward
[12:23] <akgraner> that will help me have time to produce quality and timely posts and "marketing" for events and stuff
[12:26] <akgraner> This week was a good reflection  - of pain points in personal contributions and expectations and the effects on project participation
[12:27] <akgraner> not sure if any one else takes the start of each release for a self evaluation re contribution or not  - I may be weird that way
[12:29] <qense> I reflect a bit, but not much. :)
[12:29] <qense> Lunch time! afk
[12:29] <akgraner> :-)
[12:57] <nhandler> I know this is slightly off topic for here, but if anyone has some money to spare, I am raising money for the American Cancer Society by participating in the Walk & Roll event in a week: http://identi.ca/notice/31202595
[13:17] <nigelbabu> wish i had :/
[13:50] <akgraner> nhandler, thank you for that!
[13:53] <akgraner> it's a great cause and efforts by them made better b/c people like are willing to give of their time and sweat equity!  That's awesome that you are doing that..
[15:27] <akgraner> dholbach, you're good with your session and don't need any helpers or anything do you?
[15:27] <akgraner> jcastro, you are good with both of yours right? :-)
[15:31] <jcastro> yeah. :D
[15:31] <jcastro> you might want to stick around for the last one if you can to get feedback
[15:32] <jcastro> doctormo, !!!!
[15:32] <jcastro> doctormo, I have been thinking about this PXE thing for a long time
[15:32] <nigelbabu> jcastro: need a little bit of your help
[15:33] <jcastro> ok
[15:33] <nigelbabu> jcastro: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/aTor4hFZXZ
[15:34] <dholbach> akgraner: I still need to prepare it ;-)
[15:34] <dholbach> akgraner: parts of it... I should be good though
[15:34] <akgraner> dholbach, :-P
[15:44] <Technoviking> Launchpad working for anyone ellse?
[15:45] <nigelbabu> Technoviking: which part?
[15:45] <nigelbabu> bugs are ok for me
[15:49] <Technoviking> working now, but slloooww:(
[15:49] <nigelbabu> im querying lp via api, wonder if Im breaking it
[15:50] <nigelbabu> Technoviking: lp is a bit slow due to maverick stuff, expected
[15:50] <nigelbabu> expected I think :/
[16:00] <dpm> hey, good luck with the UOW talks dholbach!
[16:00] <dholbach> thanks
[16:01] <cjohnston> howdy
[17:02] <jcastro> qense: how's the weather over there?
[17:02] <jcastro> shorts?
[17:04] <popey> http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/37
[17:04] <popey> not looking great
[17:05]  * jcastro switches to proper F numbers
[17:05] <jcastro> what the hell, that's cold!
[17:07] <jcastro> tripit's forecast says it's like 10 degrees warmer
[17:07] <JanC> weather forecasts for next week show 6-13 °C and rain most days  :-/
[17:07] <JanC> for Brussels
[17:07] <JanC> on yr.no
[17:09] <JanC> accoring to the national weather forecast it will be somewhat warmer than 6 °c, but still cold & wet
[17:09] <JanC> only day without rain could be Monday...  :-(
[17:16] <akgraner> :- D! FYI - Call for nominations for New Ubuntu Women Project  Elected Leadership Committee is now open - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/LeadershipElectionProcess - Good Luck to everyone!
[17:17] <Pendulum> at least hotel is inside?
[17:17] <Pendulum> err... sessions
[17:18] <qense> jcastro: might rain
[17:18] <qense> jcastro: but JanC is a better source for weather info :)
[17:19] <qense> Pendulum: yes, but Canonical saved money by not renting the roof.
[17:20] <Pendulum> heh
[17:20] <Pendulum> hmm... I am now essentially getting paid to play facebook games
[17:20] <qense> Pendulum: huh? What's your job? :P
[17:21] <qense> I wouldn't want to spend my days playing Farmville.
[17:22] <Pendulum> qense: it's my last day at my job and I have no work left to do. so i'm playing them because I'm bored :)
[17:22] <qense> Pendulum: What was your job and what's your new job then? ;(
[17:22] <qense> ;)
[17:23] <qense> By the way, is Daniel still holding on? He's already talking for more than an hour now, isn't he?
[17:23] <Pendulum> I was working in publishing and now it is nothing. Unless we count the fact that I keep seeming to pick up new Ubuntu stuff to do...
[17:23] <qense> Will you miss your job>?
[17:24] <Pendulum> yes and no. I quit so it's not like I'm being forced out. Just was time to move on and for health-related reasons makes sense to take some time off.
[17:24] <qense> ah
[17:28] <jcastro> Technoviking: when were you planning on opening the maverick forum again?
[17:36] <Technoviking> jcastro: I just did:). lol
[17:36] <Technoviking> before I saw your question
[17:36] <Technoviking> jcastro: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1476021
[17:37] <jcastro> oh heh
[17:37] <jcastro> I was just going to say, it'd be awesome if it was open for UDS
[17:37] <jcastro> to give people a place to discuss stuff
[17:38] <Technoviking> I will link all the rooms to the irc web chat, for IRC newbies
[17:39] <jcastro> cooh
[17:39] <jcastro> I will point this out in my session today
[17:39] <jcastro> also
[17:39] <jcastro> in the lucid forum we ended up with tons of stickies
[17:39] <jcastro> I wonder if we can just aggregate the typical "+1" threads into 1
[17:39] <Technoviking> sure
[17:40] <jcastro> so like, instead of one for the schedule, one for bugs, etc.
[17:40] <jcastro> I wonder if 23meg irc's lately
[17:40] <jcastro> I have not seen him around
[17:40] <Technoviking> I have not either, you can PM him on the forums
[17:41] <Technoviking> jcastro: are the room irc chanels open. wanted to test the web chat link
[17:42] <jcastro> they should be, he set them up a while back
[17:42] <jcastro> jussi: ^^
[17:43] <Technoviking> work great
[17:43] <Technoviking> I don't if I will be on much next week, looks to be an 80 + hour work week:(
[17:45] <jcastro> :(
[17:45] <jcastro> Technoviking: you can probably cut out the uds identica accounts, I don't think anyone is using those anymore
[17:45] <Technoviking> I will try to remote attend session late afternoon your time
[17:46] <Technoviking> jcastro: ok, will do, I will remove them from the wiki also
[17:46] <jcastro> Just following #ubuntu should do the trick
[17:50] <qense> jcastro: Didn't Laura still list the microblogging accounts in her blog post? iirc they are still on the wiki.
[17:51] <jcastro> yeah but no one's using them
[17:52] <qense> well, the #ubuntu and #uds hashtags will dp
[17:52] <qense> I think it's easie anyway to let the people tweet and dent with their own accounts.
[17:52] <qense> But maybe trackspecific tags could be used.
[17:53] <jcastro> I think that just gets too complicated
[17:53] <jcastro> if we just tell people to do #uds we should be fine I think
[17:53] <qense> yeah, probably
[17:53] <qense> It's not that everyone will be tweeting every point, I suppose.
[17:53] <jcastro> then people will get all confused and we'll end up with #uds-community-maverick-open-week
[17:54] <qense> Leaving little space for useful stuff.
[17:54] <qense> jcastro: still drowning, or are things better now?
[17:54] <jcastro> no, I am doomed
[17:54] <jcastro> heh
[17:54] <Technoviking> how do you hide text as a comment in the wiki?
[17:54] <qense> Technoviking: # ?
[17:55] <jcastro> qense: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundMenu
[17:56] <qense> jcastro: We've already been having quite a large discussion on the Ayatana mailing list after I submitted some (bad? :P) mock-ups to the list. They were not good enough to be considered, we can say, but they did kickstart the discussion.
[17:56] <qense> jcastro: And now MPT is starting to take part in the discussions.
[17:57] <qense> jcastro: Curious how upstream will react to this. I think hyperair will be happier with this than with AppInd. ;)
[17:57] <jcastro> yeah
[17:57] <jcastro> I was waiting for him to show up on irc
[17:57] <qense> he's on #ayatana atm
[17:57] <jcastro> I like the album art in there
[17:58] <qense> yeah, that would be neat
[18:00] <qense> jcastro: I think we should make it more visible to the community they can contribute to this. A lot of people react enthusiastically to Ubuntu's new desktop, but we should tell them they can help making that New Desktop. We had such a thing a bit at the start of our effort to get AppInd support, but it faded away a bit after the two contractors were hired.
[18:00]  * jcastro nods
[18:00] <Technoviking> later, work meeting for awhile
[18:00] <qense> bye Technoviking
[18:00] <jcastro> cya!
[18:02] <dholbach> ok my friends - I call it a day
[18:02] <jcastro> \o/
[18:02] <qense> dholbach: bye!
[18:02] <dholbach> have a great WE
[18:03] <dholbach> and see some of you in Brussels
[18:03] <dholbach> HUGS
[18:03] <qense> see you Monday!
[18:03] <qense> The ESA did say today that the vulcano at Iceland increased in activity. Would be a shame if it started causing trouble again Sunday or so.
[18:03] <jcastro> bye dholbach!
[18:04] <jcastro> I would be doomed if I got stuck in belgium
[18:04] <qense> Wasn't there a guy that once swam the Atlantic Ocean? Hint...
[18:06] <qense> Ah, my first night is overbooked, need to be in a different hotel then.
[18:10] <jcastro> yeah I think that's happening to a bunch of people
[18:11] <qense> Too much attendees? :)
[18:11] <qense> I hope the Summit-pains are now over.
[18:14] <qense> hello cjohnston!
[18:15] <cjohnston|cell> Hey w
[18:15] <cjohnston|cell> qense:
[18:20] <czajkowski> aloha
[18:20] <cjohnston|cell> Fwiw I hate weddings
[18:21] <qense> Even your own?
[18:22] <cjohnston|cell> Wouldn't know
[18:23] <cjohnston|cell> Not married
[18:23] <czajkowski> cjohnston|cell: ah ok didn't know that you refer to her as mrs at times
[18:24] <cjohnston|cell> It's easier czajkowski
[18:24] <cjohnston|cell> 2 kids a house a business.  :D
[18:32] <maco> nigelbabu: than an american on the european board. im sure there've been odder things occurring
[18:32] <czajkowski> there is now an Ubuntu women team member on all of the boards !
[18:32] <nigelbabu> maco: when you get to cc or tb you'll still be saying that :D
[18:32] <maco> 3 on the americas board
[18:32] <czajkowski> aye
[18:32] <czajkowski> not sure there was ever one on EMEA before ....
[18:33] <qense> I've got the feeling that feminism and such doesn't live as much in Europe as it does it the US.
[18:33] <nigelbabu> asia has elky since long i guess
[18:33] <czajkowski> qense: what do you mean?
[18:33] <qense> czajkowski: I hear less from European feminism than from American.
[18:34] <nigelbabu> ws 34
[18:34] <nigelbabu> grr
[18:34] <czajkowski> qense: oh true.
[18:35] <czajkowski> and also less of the word feminism as well
[18:35] <qense> Yeah, people don't seem to really like the word anymore, they still associate it with the kind of people that became lesbian out of principle because all men were bad.
[18:36] <nigelbabu> whoa!
[18:36] <qense> Which is a wrong association, but it does happen.
[18:36] <qense> I mean, not everyone is radical.
[18:36] <qense> nigelbabu: I'm talking about the sixties and the seventies in the Netherlands here.
[18:36] <qense> A radical kind sure.
[18:36] <qense> radical time*
[18:36] <qense> not kind
[18:37] <nigelbabu> qense: too long back, 20 years before I was born (at least)
[18:37] <czajkowski> hmm I find this topic wil usually offend someone, so I'll stay quiet, and best discussed over a pint
[18:37] <qense> Yeah, it's easy to offend people when a subject lies dear to them.
[18:37] <czajkowski> http://is.gd/bYpg0
[18:38] <czajkowski> good article
[18:38] <czajkowski> qense: I find some folks are too blinded by it, as you said different in the EU
[18:39] <qense> There is more in the world of feminism than 'dungarees feminism' as the radical kind is called here.
[18:39] <qense> Your work is very valuable, but far from being radical or intrusive.
[20:21] <AlanBell> qense: did you miss the spice girls?
[20:21] <qense> AlanBell: Huh?
[20:24] <AlanBell> just reading back on the lack of visible european feminists, but actually I agree with czajkowski this is a conversation that requires a pint to go with it
[20:28] <maco> oh the things i see with my (girl|girls) highlight rule
[20:29] <AlanBell> maco surely not odder than the things I see with my chicken highlight!
[20:30] <maco> you probably see a lot of what people have for dinner
[20:30] <maco> i see trolls, spice girls apparently, hot girl links, and parenting
[20:53] <czajkowski> AlanBell: pint it is so
[20:59] <AlanBell> I have a picture somewhere of czajkowski drinking a very small pint
[21:00] <JFo> that is rare, they are usually very large pints
[21:00] <czajkowski> baby guinness :D
[21:01]  * AlanBell thinks someone was being a bad influence on others at the time
[21:01] <czajkowski> grin
[21:01] <AlanBell> ah, there it is
[21:07] <AlanBell> http://twitpic.com/1lueh9
[21:08] <AlanBell> blackberry camera isn't very good in the dark
[21:09] <czajkowski> nyommy is what they are
[21:11] <AlanBell> they did look nice, what were they? Baileys on top presumably
[21:11] <czajkowski> aye
[21:11] <czajkowski> tia maria on the bottom or Kalula
[21:14] <cjohnston> its hot as .... outside...
[21:14] <cjohnston> uggh
[21:16] <qense> I'm off, good night everyone!
[21:16] <czajkowski> http://image22.webshots.com/23/2/52/31/366625231QmaiKo_ph.jpg if the bartender does it properly
[21:20] <AlanBell> nice
[21:24] <akgraner> jcastro, just sent you the summary of Feedback session
[21:25] <jcastro> <3
[22:33] <JanC> "feminism" (as we know it) started in Europe, and often time helps to get over the extremes
[22:35] <JanC> OTOH, feminism has existed for ages in some form or another...  ;)
[22:39] <JanC> and there is no lack of visible feminists in Belgium at least
[22:46] <Technoviking> I really hate Oracle
[22:47] <czajkowski> oh? want to narrow the reason down a bit
[22:48] <Technoviking> Doing backup on a Oracle system, rman make my brain  hurt:)
[22:48] <czajkowski> awww tis friday :)
[23:05] <Technoviking> czajkowski: yeah, but I will be back at work tomorrow working on this
[23:06] <Technoviking> let me know if anyone wants anything else added to this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1476021
[23:15] <czajkowski> nn folks