[01:15] <nikolam> sudo nano etc. On Xubuntu u should use sudo mousepad
[01:15] <kiosk> i like pico
[01:16] <nikolam> kiosk: check your internet connection / firewall settings etc. Its strange
[01:16] <thrashy> thanks nikolam
[01:16] <kiosk> I run firestarter firewall  I'll try stopping it
[01:17] <nikolam> firestarte should not be the problem
[01:17] <kiosk> also thrashy what about apt-get install gedit?
[01:17] <nikolam> if policy>outbound traffic policy is permisive by default then, that`s no problem
[01:18] <nikolam> kiosk. psss, this is xubuntu ge have our little own, mousepad :)
[01:20] <nikolam> kiosk try one of them.. servers. and try apt-get update from console. are you running 7.04?
[01:20] <kiosk> nikolam: I think it was my firewall it got much further than before on Synaptic reload list
[01:20] <kiosk> still stuck at 23 of 24 though
[01:21] <kiosk> I think i am 7.04
[01:21] <kiosk> nikolam: how do I tell?
[01:21] <nikolam> Just select one randomly , one you think that is near.
[01:22] <kiosk> nikolam:  I will try another one
[01:22] <kiosk> firewall is off now
[01:23] <nikolam> Firewall should not be the problem. If it is permissive on outgoing connactions.
[01:23] <kiosk> nikolam: I used to permit and I haven't changed the settings
[01:24] <kiosk> I am back where I started now.
[01:24] <kiosk> New server only  gets to 7 out of 15
[01:25] <nikolam> just select one by hand.
[01:25] <kiosk> nikolam: best one so far was carroll.aset.psu.edu
[01:25] <kiosk> nikolam: but still got stuck refreshing near the last file
[01:25] <nikolam> ohhh. dont get so detailed. just select d** thing :)
[01:27] <kiosk> nikolam: tried like 10 servers allready
[01:27] <kiosk> nikolam: all say            http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/linux/ubuntu/archive/dists/feisty/Release.gpg: Could not connect to localhost:4001 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[01:28] <nikolam> khm..
[01:28] <kiosk> hmmm
[01:28] <nikolam> Do you use proxy or something.
[01:28] <kiosk> I tried to install one yes
[01:28] <kiosk> but it didn't work
[01:28] <kiosk> Or so I though
[01:28] <kiosk> Or so I thought
[01:28] <nikolam> Dns resolving should not return <IP_ADDRESS> on every request
[01:28] <kiosk> I bet that is it
[01:29] <nikolam> I found it
[01:30] <nikolam> Go to synaptic
[01:30] <kiosk> nikolam: ok
[01:30] <nikolam> and then settings>preferences>network> and select direct connection to internet.
[01:31] <nikolam> If that dont work try to uninstall that proxy you have
[01:31] <nikolam> And focus on dns resolving.
[01:31] <kiosk> nikolam: it was allready set direct  -   I guess I need to uninstall anon-proxy
[01:31] <kiosk> nikolam: anon-proxy asked me a question when I installed about dns I think
[01:31] <nikolam> nslookup www.yahoo.com should return <IP_ADDRESS>, not <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:32] <nikolam> uninstall d** thing :) and start your firewall , it should protect you all the time
[01:32] <kiosk> nikolam: It does return that IP
[01:32] <kiosk> nikolam: I will
[01:33] <kiosk> nikolam: Firewall on captain!  : )
[01:33] <kiosk> nikolam: Thanks for so much help.  I was screwed.
[01:33] <kiosk> nikolam: LOL
[01:34] <nikolam> maybe if you try to reboot after that and you definitely should check dns resolving etc.
[01:34] <nikolam> Then, i am screwed :)
[01:38] <kiosk> nikolam: yep I have to reboot
[01:38] <kiosk> Still trying to go to <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:39] <kiosk> nikolam: If I can't come back thanks again for your help
[01:39] <kiosk> brb
[02:02] <kiosk> anybody know nikolam?
[02:03] <kiosk> wanted to thank he/she for helping so much
[02:04] <snyft> hello i just bought an intel core 2 duo and was wondering should i use 64-bit PC (AMD64) desktop CD or the 32-bits?
[02:10] <thrashy> Anyone know how to change the screen size/geometry output by x11vnc server?
[04:12] <neozen> any of you guys get syncing over IR with a palm to work?
[04:12] <neozen> shot in the dark
[04:13] <maxamillion> neozen: can't say that i have ...
[04:13] <maxamillion> :(
[04:15] <neozen> drat this thinkpad and its lack of a serial port
[04:15] <neozen> how about one of those cheap usb->serial converters?
[04:16] <maxamillion> neozen: they work pretty well in my experience
[04:16] <neozen> well that's good news
[04:16] <neozen> any one in particular?
[04:17] <maxamillion> neozen: no, i think it was just a cheap-o offbrand one
[04:17] <neozen> good!
[04:17] <neozen> something like this? http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-to-9-pin-Serial-RS232-Adaptor-Adapter-Exten-Cable_W0QQitemZ130152195166QQihZ003QQcategoryZ64047QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[04:20] <maxamillion> neozen: looks good to me
[04:26] <maxamillion> lol @ 11.3KB/sec download
[04:30] <neozen> you didn't have to do anything nasty like recompile the kernel or anything did you?
[04:31] <neozen> meh... guess I'll figure it out when it gets here
[04:31] <neozen> lsusb better see it
[04:31] <neozen> or there's going to be some violence going down
[04:32] <neozen> so how's life been max?
[04:32] <neozen> school treating you well?
[04:45] <maxamillion> neozen: oh sorry, i was reading some lecture notes from my databases course
[04:45] <maxamillion> neozen: its going well ... but the first round of exams are going to be next week :(
[05:03] <Admiral_Chicago> does anyone in here have Eclipse installed in their install?
[05:26] <neozen> Admiral_Chicago, yeah I do
[05:26] <neozen> Admiral_Chicago, running into issues?
[05:26] <neozen> if it helps, I didn't use the one in the repos
[05:27] <Admiral_Chicago> neozen: no, no issues, I had a question about the install path, I've got it figure out
[05:27] <neozen> we use sun's jdk at work so it would be pointless to install gcj as well..
[05:27] <neozen> ok
[05:27] <neozen> I just stuck mine in a directory in my home
[05:27] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks anyways
[05:27] <neozen> no problem
[05:28] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll ping you if I need more help
[05:28] <neozen> I might be asleep, but am usually online 9-5 when I'm at work
[05:28] <neozen> cst
[05:28] <neozen> (I'm in chicago as well)
[05:29] <neozen> ...wait a minute...
[05:29] <neozen> I've probably met you
[05:30] <Admiral_Chicago> neozen: what is your IRL name?  if you don't mind me asking
[05:30] <neozen> Ross
[05:31] <neozen> was @ last chiglug meeting
[05:32] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, Institute of Design?
[05:32] <Admiral_Chicago> I was at that one, helping facilitate and stuff.
[05:33] <Admiral_Chicago> neozen: did you go to Flourish and BarCamp as well?
[05:33] <Admiral_Chicago> yea I know who you are, you have a thinkpad and long hair.
[05:33] <Admiral_Chicago> iirc
[05:33] <neozen> just got another one actually for work
[05:34] <neozen> been having issues due to the ati card in it acting up
[05:34] <neozen> most annoying one would be that screen goes blank when lid is closed
[05:34] <Admiral_Chicago> the reason I ask is because I'm doing doc work for Gutsy and I have Kubuntu (the best Linux distro ever)
[05:34] <Admiral_Chicago> ATI release over a Terabyte of specs for people to write drivers
[05:34] <Admiral_Chicago> afaik
[05:35] <neozen> then why is there lacking updated drivers for the R250 chipset?
[05:36] <Admiral_Chicago> they just released it today so they are working on R500 or something. I don't know the full details because I don't really buy AMD stuff, I may start though
[05:38] <neozen> amd?
[05:38] <neozen> this is an ati card
[05:38] <Admiral_Chicago> neozen: http://www.x.org/docs/AMD/
[05:39] <Admiral_Chicago> like I said, I dont follow AMD so I wouldn't know...all I know is that they own ATI
[05:39] <Admiral_Chicago> or something like that
[05:41] <neozen> oh yeah... forgot about that
[05:49] <neozen> in any case its time to crash
[05:49] <neozen> nini all
[06:02] <manduski> hey guys can anyone help me with trying to type spanish accents?
[06:51] <logreeval> Hello, is there a guide that shows the difference between Xfce and Gnome?
[06:59] <mindframe> logreeval, here's one - xfce > gnome
[06:59] <logreeval> lol mindframe
[06:59] <mindframe> logreeval, just throw in the livecd and find out
[06:59] <logreeval> i dont have the livecd
[06:59] <mindframe> download it :)
[07:00] <logreeval> and i cant download it cause i have satellite internet :(
[07:00] <mindframe> ouch :(
[07:00] <logreeval> i can only download 450 at a time
[07:00] <mindframe> you can order cd's for cheap
[07:00] <logreeval> i want it now lol
[07:01] <logreeval> well....
[07:01] <logreeval> does it have a new version every 6 months like ubuntu
[07:01] <mindframe> is there an internet cafe in a nearby town or anything?
[07:01] <mindframe> yes
[07:01] <mindframe> most *buntu's are on the same release schedule - the ones that matter anyway
[07:01] <logreeval> i live like 20 miles from town, thats why i have satellite
[07:02] <logreeval> like ubuntu, kubuntu, and xubuntu and edubuntu?
[07:02] <mindframe> could you drive to town, download the image / burn it?
[07:02] <mindframe> yes
[07:02] <logreeval> any more i should know about lol
[07:02] <mindframe> edubuntu is documentation so no
[07:02] <logreeval> ?
[07:02] <mindframe> fluxbuntu, ubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu all get releases every 6 months
[07:02] <logreeval> cool
[07:03] <mindframe> theres nubuntu, mythbuntu
[07:03] <mindframe> hrmmm
[07:03] <mindframe> a few others im sure
[07:03] <logreeval> but those dont get the good support, eh?
[07:03] <mindframe> nubuntu is a security distro
[07:03] <mindframe> mythbuntu is a distro based on mythtv - its on the normal release schedule
[07:04] <logreeval> so why is Xfce the way to go?
[07:04] <mindframe> IMO: it's lighter, faster, and easier than gnome or kde.
[07:05] <mindframe> i'm a fan of fluxbox though, i had to have more desktop functionality though
[07:05] <mindframe> im excited to see what fluxbuntu will offer in gutsy
[07:05] <logreeval> cool
[07:05] <mindframe> (fluxbox is a very minimal window manager, no desktop environment)
[07:05] <mindframe> it's also super fast and light
[07:05] <logreeval> with 2.0 ghz and 512 ram would i see a difference in Xfce?
[07:06] <logreeval> compared to ubuntu that is
[07:06] <mindframe> it would not be worth the upgrade, considering the trouble you have to go through to get it
[07:06] <mindframe> you could always apt-get install xubuntu-desktop i believe
[07:06] <mindframe> or apt-get install xubuntu
[07:06] <logreeval> i can
[07:06] <logreeval> i looked
[07:07] <mindframe> it shouldnt tax your satellite too terribly
[07:07] <logreeval> and then i would have gnome and xubuntu right?
[07:07] <logreeval> so i would choose at the login menu?
[07:08] <mindframe> yes,
[07:08] <mindframe> in that case you could just apt-get install xfce
[07:08] <mindframe> err xfce4
[07:08] <mindframe> just change session at login
[07:09] <logreeval> yeah
[07:09] <logreeval> everythng would still be like the same but with a different DE?
[07:09] <mindframe> yes
[07:10] <mindframe> youll still have all the same programs
[07:11] <logreeval> ill think about it over night, its time for sleep lol
[07:12] <mindframe> same
[07:12] <logreeval> night
[07:21] <atarinox> anybody know why i can't get linuxdcpp working from the repos?
[07:28] <johnficca> when I try install install it just keeps failing, is there something I am doing wrong?
[07:29] <johnficca> it start the installation for like a second or two then stops with an error
[07:31] <johnficca> can xubuntu partition the hard drive?
[07:31] <johnficca> I think that is the problem
[07:33] <johnficca> is anyone here?
[07:41] <johnficca> it is saying Can't have the end before the start!
[08:01] <xork> i'm having some trouble formating an external hard drive
[08:02] <xork> can someone walk me through the steps? gparted gives me an error.
[08:02] <xork> that i don't have permission to mount the drive??
[08:02] <xork> i'd like to do this through the command line, and i tried, but unsuccessfully
[08:03] <xork> Disk /dev/sdc: 400.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>16 bytes
[08:03] <xork> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 48641 cylinders
[08:03] <xork> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[08:03] <xork> Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[08:03] <xork> /dev/sdc1               1       48641   390708801   83  Linux
[08:03] <xork> that is the drive i am trying to format
[08:07] <xork> the commands i ran from terminal
[08:07] <xork> were
[08:07] <xork> mke2fs -j /dev/sdc
[08:07] <xork> tune2fs -m 0 /dev/sdc
[08:07] <zoredache> sudo?
[08:07] <xork> yes
[08:08] <zoredache> why sdc, and not sdc1?
[08:08] <xork> sdc1 was not found
[08:08] <xork> sdc worked
[08:08] <xork> now i have some udev rules set up
[08:08] <xork> to link it to /dev/vds400
[08:08] <xork> shoudl i have used that instead?
[08:09] <xork> i did that so they would always mount in same place
[08:09] <xork> otherwise the two externals i have would randomly mount to /media/disk1 or /media/disk2
[08:09] <xork> i'm majorly confused
[08:13] <xork> i'm going to try mke2fs on /dev/vds400
[08:13] <xork> i'm feeling brave
[08:16] <zoredache> hrm...
[08:16] <zoredache> I would repartition it correctly and build your filesystem on /dev/sdc1
[08:16] <zoredache> then set a partition label so that it gets mounted correctly
[08:17] <xork> how can i partition through terminal
[08:17] <xork> gparted won't let me touch it for some reason
[08:17] <xork> i'd like the udev rules to stay in place
[08:17] <xork> so that it's linked to /dev/vds400
[08:18] <xork> otherwise it gets mounted in random places
[08:18] <zoredache> try cfdisk /dev/sdc
[08:18] <xork> ah hah!
[08:18] <xork> mke2fs on /dev/vds400 worked
[08:18] <xork> i guess once you have those udev rules in place
[08:18] <xork> you can't use /dev/sdcs1 anymore
[08:18] <xork> you have to use the link
[08:19] <zoredache> are you sure?
[08:19] <xork> well
[08:19] <xork> here's the weird thing
[08:19] <zoredache> I am almost certain that I did the other day...
[08:19] <xork> i have access to it
[08:19] <xork> but if i sudo fdisk -l
[08:19] <xork> this is the result
[08:19] <xork> Disk /dev/sdc: 400.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>16 bytes
[08:19] <xork> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 48641 cylinders
[08:19] <xork> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[08:19] <xork> Disk /dev/sdc doesn't contain a valid partition table
[08:20] <xork> why is it saying it doesn't have a valid partition table?
[08:20] <xork> when it's there, i have access, i can read/write?
[08:20] <zoredache> because you created your partition directly on /dev/sdc
[08:20] <xork> i just did it on /dev/vds400
[08:20] <zoredache> created your filesystem rather
[08:20] <xork> instead
[08:20] <xork> which is something i made up from udev rules
[08:20] <zoredache> so it has no partition table
[08:20] <xork> hmmmm.
[08:20] <xork> is it going to effect me? :P
[08:20] <xork> if i can still read/write to it?
[08:21] <xork> this is all way above my head
[08:21] <zoredache> you will be fine, if you only care about using it under linux
[08:21] <xork> i'm playing major guessing games
[08:21] <xork> that's all i care about
[08:21] <xork> but i'd like to protect myself from future problems
[08:21] <xork> and since i don't care about losing data on it now.. now's the time
[08:22] <xork> so how do i get a partition table
[08:22] <xork> i just tried cfdisk
[08:23] <xork> let's see
[08:23] <xork> wahoo!
[08:23] <xork> worked
[08:23] <xork> links are still functional
[08:23] <xork> fdisk reports a partition table
[08:23] <xork> i think i'm set
[08:23] <xork> thanks
[08:24] <zoredache> eh?
[08:24] <xork> lol sorry
[08:24] <xork> i'm jumping all over
[08:25] <xork> i did mke2fs on /dev/vds400 (the link i set up)
[08:25] <xork> then cfdisk on /dev/sdc
[08:25] <xork> made a partition
[08:25] <xork> and it .. seems to be working
[08:25] <xork> i have access.
[08:25] <xork> read/write
[08:25] <xork> it's still linked how i want it to and mounting correctly
[08:25] <xork> i don't know why gparted wouldn't work
[08:25] <xork> but oh well
[08:26] <zoredache> if you repartitioned things after you made the filesystem, then you have probably done something wrong
[09:11] <fudet> anybody home? :D
[09:13] <Merchelo> !anybody
[09:13] <Ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[12:33] <VampyreBe> hello hello everyone !
[12:33] <VampyreBe> may I ask a very special question ?
[12:34] <VampyreBe> i'm at the moment switching my 3 pc from windows to linux ubuntu. Mine is already under Ubuntu, but I was wondering the one from my daughter... it is a P II with 128 Mb ram, and was wondering if it was a good idea to put an Xubuntu on her pc
[12:36] <VampyreBe> i'd like to make a small network with the 3 pc, which I could administrate for the rights... if xubuntu is not suitable for her pc, what other distro can i use, and could I still make my network with different distros ?
[01:00] <mynyml> I want to be able to be notified of new rss feeds on the desktop ... for example with libnotify; anyone knows a tool that would do that?
[01:02] <predaeus> mynyml, e.g. liferea is a feed reader with a tray icon.
[01:02] <mynyml> predaeus: that should be good enough. i'll check it out
[01:02] <mynyml> thanks
[02:46] <thrashy> I'm trying to change the geometry of the vnc screen on my xubuntu server, I go into vnc.conf and add $geometry ="1024x768"; doesn't seem to work though, I even rebooted. Can anyone help?
[03:07] <DuClare> vncserver -geometry widthxheight
[03:17] <wlfwhiterabbit> hi! considering this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FtpServer can anyone tell me how i can launch FtpServer service? i've followed the instructions for the first case and now, how can i launch the service?
[03:19] <Pres-Gas> wlfwhiterabbit, which option did you pick?
[03:19] <wlfwhiterabbit> the first
[03:21] <adac> anyonone has vncserver running with xfce?
[03:21] <adac> I just get a grey screen
[04:11] <Wizard> hello :)
[04:11] <Wizard> i finally installed xubuntu/ppc
[04:12] <Wizard> does anybody use compiz under xfce ?
[04:26] <adac> Wizard: not tried yet
[04:26] <adac> a friend of mine has beryl running
[04:26] <adac> with xfce
[04:27] <adac> or compiz-fusion...
[04:43] <Wizard> hmm
[04:43] <Wizard> i'll check beryl. i installed compiz but i can't found any settings manager
[04:44] <Wizard> and it does not work correctly
[04:55] <yotux> how do I change the theme of xfce
[04:55] <vinze> Applications->Settings->User Interface Settings
[04:58] <magic_ninja> grrr
[04:58] <magic_ninja> my uselists disappeared
[04:58] <yotux> thankz
[04:59] <vinze> np
[05:01] <gerro> hmm anyone know of some good music players for xubuntu?
[05:01] <gerro> heard some people talking about exaile before
[05:01] <vinze> There are lots...
[05:01] <vinze> Exaile is good but a bit slow
[05:01] <gerro> yeah I thought it would be
[05:01] <magic_ninja> gerro: amarok is good, for single file play use mplayer (very memory unintensive), but i prefer banshee
[05:02] <gerro> ah yeah banshee I'll have to try that
[05:02] <vinze> I'm using Rhythmbox at the moment, but... Gnome libs
[05:02] <magic_ninja> gerro: if you don't want all the bells and whistles offered with amarok banshee takes up alot less system resources
[05:02] <gerro> I didn't want to use amarok because of all the kde dependencies
[05:02] <magic_ninja> gerro: banshee is your best alternative
[05:02] <gerro> also what about xmms?
[05:02] <vinze> I don't like it
[05:02] <magic_ninja> gerro: xmms is good but i find it to be unstable when using very large playlists
[05:03] <magic_ninja> gerro: well actually i find it to be unstable quite a bit
[05:03] <gerro> I sorta found it convenient being light and themeable
[05:03] <gerro> magic_ninja: on xubuntu?
[05:03] <magic_ninja> gerro: xmms is good i just find it unstable
[05:04] <magic_ninja> gerro: yes using xubuntu with gnome instead of xfce
[05:04] <gerro> magic_ninja: it won't process that external terabyte hdd of pop music?
[05:04] <Wizard> compiz and beryl have the same issue :/
[05:04] <magic_ninja> gerro: what you talking about lol, mine or yours
[05:05] <gerro> Wizard: use compiz fusion then :P
[05:05] <Wizard> i think it will give me same results
[05:06] <Wizard> both apps work until logout
[05:06] <gerro> Wizard: actually I tried it and it seems bit more stable. And when I installed it I didn't have to use all sorts of weird hacks
[05:06] <Wizard> after that: i have to start them manulally + the don't refresh windows (so i'm working with 'static screenshots')
[05:06] <wlfwhiterabbit> $ sudo pure-ftpd
[05:06] <wlfwhiterabbit> Unable to start a standalone server: Address already in use what does this mean?
[05:06] <gerro> I'm surprised it worked so smooth on this old geforce 5200 nvidia I only got 128mb on it
[05:07] <Wizard> i guess it would work on riva tnt :P
[05:07] <gerro> what you mean?
[05:08] <gerro> wlfwhiterabbit: it means something is already using that port, perhaps the server is already running. Try telneting to localhost on that port or perhaps use netcat. See what is running there
[05:08] <Wizard> there is no compiz fusion in repos :)
[05:08] <gerro> wlfwhiterabbit: there also some commands to check your ports probably be easier
[05:08] <gerro> Wizard: yeah its most likely going to be included with gutsy
[05:08] <wlfwhiterabbit> gerro: thanks.
[05:08] <Wizard> ay, fsck that
[05:09] <gerro> Wizard: they doing massive update on xorg and everything else
[05:09] <Wizard> i don't think if it will support ppc at all
[05:09] <gerro> Wizard: try checking #ubuntu-effects there this guy whom setup repositories for it
[05:10] <wlfwhiterabbit> gerro: i've never used telnet, could you please me tell which command i could use?
[05:11] <Wizard> bah.. i'm staying with xfce4wm
[05:11] <gerro> wlfwhiterabbit: try lsof -i
[05:12] <gerro> or just plain lsof and use | less or | grep "search for this"
[05:12] <gerro> wlfwhiterabbit: root might be running something on that port so try running it as root too. I doubt it would be though
[05:14] <gerro> wlfwhiterabbit: ctrl c to exit when your done
[05:17] <wlfwhiterabbit> gerro: with lsof -i there's nothing that uses port 20 or 21. doesn't pure-ftpd use port 21?
[05:20] <gerro> there are alternative ports it might be using
[05:20] <gerro> and its generally wise to run an ftpd server on a non standard port
[05:21] <wlfwhiterabbit> gerro: i understand what u mean. do you know how i could set the port pure-ftpd will use?
[05:22] <gerro> wlfwhiterabbit: its probably in its documentation found here http://www.pureftpd.org/project/pure-ftpd/doc
[05:22] <gerro> If its a bit over your head I'm sure there plenty of guides floating about or on the forums
[05:23] <wlfwhiterabbit> gerro: thanks, i'm sorry i made you make my work!
[05:23] <gerro> wlfwhiterabbit: try this tip it has Now, if you want to listen for an incoming connection on a non-standard port, just append '-S' and the port number: /usr/local/sbin/pure-ftpd -S 42
[05:24] <gerro> wlfwhiterabbit: also take in consideration some ports require root privileges and you probably wouldn't want to have the program running as root
[05:24] <gerro> generally anything over 1024 is good choice
[05:25] <gerro> wlfwhiterabbit: its no prob I was going to try some ftp servers out myself, I usually use filezilla on windows boxes.
[05:26] <maxamillion> gerro: you can use filezilla on linux as well
[05:27] <vinze> The newest version
[05:27] <wlfwhiterabbit> is filezilla graphic? (i perfectly know that in this case a GUI is a waste of memory, but i have some difficulty with the shell)
[05:28] <vinze> Yes
[05:36] <gerro> you can use the graphical interface for file zilla with any ftp server I think though
[05:36] <gerro> they all follow same protocol "ftp"
[05:37] <maxamillion> wlfwhiterabbit: if you just need a ftp client program, then i would suggest gftp .. its decently light on resources and its gui
[05:37] <Naughtyboy> very easy to use and straight forward....
[05:37] <wlfwhiterabbit> maxamillion: unfortunately i need to act as server
[05:38] <Naughtyboy> proftpd then...
[05:38] <Naughtyboy> also fairly easy to setup
[05:39] <gerro> I just use firefox and ftp:ip:port
[05:39] <Naughtyboy> gproftpd if you want a grafical interface
[05:39] <gerro> that why I is a be noob :D
[05:41] <wlfwhiterabbit> I've installed FileZilla but it doesn't seem i can act as server...
[05:41] <gerro> ok there gftp, gftp-common, gftp-gtk, and gftp-text
[05:41] <gerro> which do I choose ;_;
[05:42] <gerro> wlfwhiterabbit: umm its a client unless you specifically got the server part, I'd recommend using something different though if your on linux its mainly for windows
[05:42] <maxamillion> gerro: gftp-gtk
[05:43] <gerro> maxamillion: too late installed them all! woot!
[05:43] <maxamillion> gerro: lol
[05:43] <maxamillion> ok
[05:44] <gerro> it free stuff yo *steals it all*
[05:46] <gerro> maxamillion: the heck is with gftp it got half its documentation attached to gui. My 800x600 screen can't take it :(
[05:51] <gerro> run proftpd from inetd or standalone?...
[05:52] <gerro> I guess standalone hate it when things pop up at startup
[05:59] <vinze> join #codeyard
[05:59] <vinze> Sorry
[06:00] <gerro> no prob
[07:52] <lobi> similar programe like AdobeAcrobate for ubuntu
[07:52] <lobi> ?
[07:56] <lobi__> similar programe like AdobeAcrobate for ubuntu
[07:57] <lobi__> and if can do this http://www.acrobatusers.com/tutorials/2006/adding_video/adding_video.pdf
[08:03] <DaBeowulf> Can segmentation fault crashes in UT2004 get fixed by using this http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_100.14.11.html instead of the nvidia-glx-new from the restricted repository?
[08:03] <DaBeowulf> I did run memtest and my mem seems fine and UT is at the latest version.
[08:07] <LampoNero> ciao a tutti
[08:46] <rici> quick pmount question: i have a freebsd formatted hd in a usb enclosure, and i need to mount the slices with -r -t ufs -o ufstype=5xbsd.
[08:47] <rici> but the desktop seems to be trying to mount it -rw -o ufstype=old
[08:47] <rici> so i can't get rid of the popup window :(
[08:47] <rici> how do i tell it to cease and desist and let me mount it by hand?
[09:09] <TheSheep> rici: you could disable the volume manager in thunar->edit->preferences->advnced
[09:09] <hyper__ch> hiho
[09:09] <s-x-u> hiho -h
[09:09] <rici> TheSheep: thanks
[09:09] <rici> it was just kinda distracting.
[09:09] <TheSheep> rici: I can imagine
[09:09] <TheSheep> rici: probably adding it to the fstab with correct options would solve that too
[09:09] <rici> yeah, that's the next step
[09:09] <TheSheep> rici: and with noauto, if you don't want it mounted every time
[09:09] <rici> since it's unlikely to be pluggedin every time
[09:09] <rici> i just need to back it up, really.
[09:09] <rici> the box it was in blew up, but i recovered the hd from the mess.
[09:09] <TheSheep> rici: had something like that recently with my homepage server
[09:09] <TheSheep> rici: still can't get myself to bring the gallery up :)
[09:09] <rici> :)
[09:09] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: we want to see the gallery
[09:09] <rici> the new keyboard is supposed to show up tomorrow, and i'll be back to where i was pre-earthquake
[09:09] <rici> aside from one fried box, but i can live without it.
[09:09] <rici> saves me the trouble of upgrading the fbsd version :)
[09:09] <rici> ok, this is working. thanks again.
[09:09] <rici> seeya
[09:11] <snowdonkey> Hey.  I mainly use Kubuntu Feisty but I'd like to try out Xubuntu.  Is there a command to download XFCE without the extra programs that come with xubuntu-desktop?
[09:11] <TheSheep> snowdonkey: apt-get install xfce
[09:12] <snowdonkey> thesheep: lol, of course.  So then I can use XFCE environment with all my KDE programs?
[09:12] <hyper_ch> snowdonkey: yes
[09:12] <TheSheep> snowdonkey: oops, sorry, it's xfce4
[09:12] <TheSheep> snowdonkey: yes
[09:13] <TheSheep> snowdonkey: it's not the same as xubuntu, though
[09:14] <snowdonkey> thesheep: the default look will be different you mean?
[09:14] <TheSheep> snowdonkey: that too, yes
[09:14] <snowdonkey> thesheep: or drastic changes?  Like will my graphics drivers not work?
[09:15] <TheSheep> snowdonkey: nah, just the looks and useful tools
[09:15] <TheSheep> snowdonkey: actually, default xfce theme is mega-ugly :)
[09:16] <snowdonkey> heh
[09:17] <snowdonkey> thesheep: Ok.  BTW how did you do the thing with "***"?
[09:17] <TheSheep> you mean the action?
[09:17] <TheSheep> you do it with the /me command
[09:18] <snowdonkey> Oh cool.  I'm still kinda new to IRC.
[09:18] <TheSheep> just type /me at the beginning of the line
[09:19] <TheSheep> :)
[09:20] <snowdonkey> thesheep: thx for your help.  peace
[09:21] <TheSheep> love & peace
[09:23] <neozen> and lemurs!!!!
[09:23] <hyper_ch> carnivoral lemurs
[09:24] <neozen> with bats!
[09:24] <TheSheep> flamming zombie falmingos
[09:24] <TheSheep> flamingos even
[09:25] <TheSheep> they are pink
[09:25] <TheSheep> they are dead
[09:25] <TheSheep> they are after your brains
[09:25] <hyper_ch> the pinky and the brain... brain... brain... brain
[09:26] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: what are we going to do tonight?
[09:26] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: ripping all the movies off the DVD and then start encoding them to mkv :)
[09:26] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: and trying to send you a small video ;)
[09:28] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: the same we are going to do every night... try to take over the world
[09:35] <nonlocal> Right on the third try!
[09:35] <nonlocal> ;)
[09:42] <thrashy> Hey, I'm running utorrent through Wine but whenever I minimise it to tray I can't open the window back up, like the window border etc is there but the inside contents is just blank. Any ideas why this is and how to fix it?
[09:44] <hyper_ch> thrashy: why not using a linux torrent client?
[09:46] <thrashy> I would but my isp throttles so I need a client that offers encryption, afaik utorrent is the only one that has this?
[09:47] <hyper_ch> thrashy: nope, ktorrent does it also and rtorrent also
[09:48] <thrashy> hmm might have a look at rtorrent then.. :)
[09:48] <hyper_ch> thrashy: rtorrent is command line only - hence very lightweight
[09:49] <hyper_ch> thrashy: TheSheep put my attention to it... before I used kTorrent ;)
[09:49] <nonlocal> thrashy:  try deleting ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/profiles/your_profile/Application\ Data/uTorrent/settings*
[09:49] <nonlocal> (hope I got that path right)
[09:50] <thrashy> thanks nonlocal although seems its not doing it any more.. strange
[09:50] <thrashy> might go with rtorrent now anyways, vnc and utorrent is kinda laggy to control :P
[09:51] <hyper_ch> thrashy: that's how I started:    http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/05/02/howto-use-rtorrent-like-a-pro/
[09:52] <thrashy> Thanks, I'm gonna give rtorrent a try now
[09:54] <hyper_ch> and of course:  http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/
[10:00] <Jester45> deluge is nice
[10:05] <neozen> thrashy: so does azureus
[10:06] <neozen> thrashy: it likes ram though
[10:06] <neozen> all java things do
[10:06] <neozen> *company's
[10:06] <TheSheep> neozen: you need an 11ft pole
[10:07] <TheSheep> neozen: shame we only grow at most 6ft tall in Poland
[10:07] <nonlocal> thrashy:  rtorrent is the business. I just thought I would take a crack at solving the problem at hand ...
[10:07] <neozen> lol
[10:08] <thrashy> yeah I'm setting up rtorrent now lol =)
[10:10] <Jester45> i would say deluge is the best gui for linux
[10:10] <Jester45> utorrent was nice in the pre webui versions
[10:11] <Jester45> but isnt good in wine as it breaks the theme of your desktop and az is a hog
[10:17] <hyper_ch> nonlocal: what problem?
[10:18] <nonlocal> hyper_ch:  thrashy's non-displaying utorrent problem.
[10:19] <hyper_ch> nonlocal: ^^
[10:19] <hyper_ch> so there are more rtorrent users in here than any other client?
[10:19] <thrashy> bah, screw utorrent, I'm download something in rtorrent right now :D
[10:19] <neozen> lol
[10:19] <thrashy> I like it so far
[10:20] <seras> hello i was wondering if there was any way to replace the panel in xfce gusty without all of them disappearing?
[10:20] <hyper_ch> thrashy: did you have a look at the rtorrent site about common tasks? and the official support channel is over at irc.worldforge.org  #libtorrent
[10:20] <thrashy> yeah looking now
[10:21] <thrashy> is encryption automatically on?
[10:21] <hyper_ch> thrashy: I haven't seen an option to en/disable it
[10:21] <hyper_ch> so I tend to think it's auto-encrypted
[10:22] <thrashy> its just the speed is only @ 20kb/s which leads me to think something is being held back
[10:24] <hyper_ch> my speeds currently isn't great either but I fetched The Corporation yesterday at nearly 250kbit
[10:36] <Jester45> 250kbit is like 20 kb/s you know that rigt
[10:37] <nonlocal> Why did the cable companies have to start us talking about mega*bits* and such just to make their bandwidth seem faster... }8[
[10:40] <hyper_ch> Jester45: 250kbytes
[10:40] <hyper_ch> was a typo :9
[10:44] <nikolam> nonlocal: Beacouse it sounds better and beacouse that are telcomunications and that we can handle (nince 300bitsPerSeconds modem onwards) But what definitely is not right is HD`s volume stating at X GB when they are meening Gigabitss.. thats fraud.
[10:46] <hyper_ch> I tend to say its a historical way of telling transfer rates... how many 0s and 1s can you pump through your line in a second
[10:46] <Jester45> they didnt start it its the standard way network speeds are stated
[10:46] <Jester45> like a 100mbit ethernet or gbit
[10:46] <nonlocal> nikolam: Yes that irks me too. And the general trend towards defining a megabyte as 1000bytes instead of 1024
[10:46] <hyper_ch> a megabyte is 1 mio bytes ;)
[10:46] <hyper_ch> kilo = thousand
[10:47] <hyper_ch> mega = million
[10:47] <nonlocal> Jester45:  fair enough. Just seemed like I had been thinking in kb/s forever and then cable/dsl showed up
[10:47] <Jester45> its much easier to use for humans
[10:47] <zoredache> kilo =2^10, mega = 2^20
[10:47] <rici> kibi / mibi
[10:47] <nonlocal> Jester45:  What does that make me :(
[10:48] <hyper_ch> zoredache: only in computer science ;)
 I AM IRONMAN </ozzy>
[10:49] <nikolam> That is not trend that is Hd producers fraud. But these days they are stating on the boxes that it is in thousand bits so its to user to figure out. Its like CRT monitors and size of screen.. After some lawsuit in canada or so, they begins to state actual size (viewable)
[10:49] <Jester45> well what 100,000,000 bytes converted to MB the computer way
[10:50] <zoredache> you say it is 'fraud' but it really isn't... It was just some engineer being lazy a long time ago, and everyone else following his lead
[10:51] <hyper_ch> zoredache: I don't think it was an engineer being lazy... I tend to think it was non-tech guys being not able to understand why it is 1024 and not 1000
[10:51] <zoredache> never assume malice when incompatence is more likely
[10:52] <nonlocal> zoredache:  these are not governments (where I would agree), they are corporations looking for profit. it's a little too convenient when the errors always seem to make the numbers look bigger on packaging...
[10:53] <zoredache> nonlocal: most of these standards where created by the government...
[10:53] <nonlocal> ?
[10:53] <Jester45> not if your doing 40,000mb hardrive and not 40GB
[10:53] <hyper_ch> as 1024 is close to  1000 it's a lot simpler to just say it's 1k or 1m
[10:53] <nonlocal> Jester45:  Another good point :)
[10:53] <Jester45> really non tech people would seed Mb and think its small
[10:53] <Jester45> see*
[10:54] <zoredache> here, read this article about how 'military specs' live forever
[10:54] <zoredache> http://wilk4.com/humor/humore11.htm
[10:54] <hyper_ch> zoredache: nothing lives forever
[10:54] <Jester45> because the military doesnt let it change
[10:54] <zoredache> rici: seems to have read my mind
[10:56] <hyper_ch> nothing lasts forever ;)
[10:56] <zoredache> well, perhaps not forever, but maybe as long as the human civilization
[10:56] <hyper_ch> I don't think so
[10:57] <Zach`> hey
[10:57] <Zach`> I'm using Xubuntu and I have a problem with change the language
[10:58] <Zach`> I have full support of my local language (Hebrew) but I can't switch to it! how can I fix that?
[10:58] <TheSheep> Zach`: you don't have it listed on the login screen?
[10:58] <Zach`> I do, but if I choose Hebrew I can't switch back to english
[10:59] <Zach`> there's no alt+shift thing like in Windows?
[10:59] <hyper_ch> !lnw
[10:59] <ubotu> Want to know the differences between Windows and Linux? This guide, called "Linux is Not Windows" is a pretty good read -- http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[10:59] <hyper_ch> !lnw | Zach`
[10:59] <ubotu> Zach`: please see above
[10:59] <TheSheep> Zach`: there is a keyboard layout switcher plugin you can add to your panel
[10:59] <Zach`> cool TheSheep, where can I grab it :)?
[11:00] <TheSheep> Zach`: it's installed by default, just right-click on the panel and select 'add new item'
[11:00] <TheSheep> zenrox: then choose the keyboard layout switcher from the menu
[11:00] <thrashy> hmm trying to update rtorrent, it says do ./autogen.sh but then says "aclocal not found" how am i meant to update?
[11:02] <Zach`> cool TheSheep and now how I add my language (hebrew) to the keyboard layout switcher?
[11:02] <hyper_ch> thrashy: you're not using it from the repos?
[11:02] <TheSheep> Zach`: I'm not sure, probably in settings->keayboard settings
[11:02] <TheSheep> keyboard
[11:02] <Zach`> thanks!
[11:03] <thrashy> hyper_ch I the repo gave me 0.6.4 and apparently only >v7 supports encryption
[11:03] <hyper_ch> thrashy: oh... hmm....
[11:03] <hyper_ch> thrashy: how about gutsy?
[11:04] <hyper_ch> thrashy: I have to ckeck what version it has
[11:09] <nonlocal> Speaking of strange byte-math... I just noticed apt-get telling me: "Fetched 613kB in 1s (307kB/s)"
[11:09] <nonlocal> Heh.
[11:11] <hyper_ch> gutsy has 0.7.4
[11:18] <nikolam> Zach` edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add 	Option 		"XkbOptions" 	"grp:alt_shift_toggle"
[11:18] <nikolam> Under Section "InputDevice"
[11:18] <nikolam> 	Identifier	"Generic Keyboard"
[11:18] <nikolam> Before EndSection
[11:19] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: can I somehow use the rtorrent package from Gutsy in feisty?
[11:19] <nikolam> Add keyboards in Settings manager> Keyboards Layouts and logoff and restart X (Ctrl+Alt+Backspace)
[11:20] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: sure, if it doesn't have too many dependencies
[11:20] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: so I just download it and check it?
[11:20] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: download it from packages.ubuntu.org or just add gutsy repository for a moment
[11:20] <thrashyy> whats the gutsy repo?
[11:20] <TheSheep> !gutsy
[11:20] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[11:21] <TheSheep> thrashyy: same as feisty, only with 'feisty' replaced with 'gutsy'
[11:22] <thrashyy> hmm this is in software sources or? only been using linux for like 24 hours so go easy eh
[11:23] <nikolam> huper_ch from my knoledge (tryed to install iceape 1.4.1 from gutsy on 7.04) it is basically very hard to do it manually (dependencies) . try adding gutsy repository but Not upgaring to it. I havent try myself but ..
[11:23] <hyper_ch> libc6 also needed...
[11:23] <nikolam> I myself will not till gutsy is done.
[11:24] <nikolam> hyper_ch: It is sometimes endless effort. i myself downloaded 10 .deb`s for iceape manually untill realised I have to reinstall half the system that way..
[11:25] <hyper_ch> libc6 and rtorrent will do the job ;)
[11:26] <nikolam> Hmm me too needed libc6. unil I realized that half of system depends on old one. Be Very carefull.
[11:28] <hyper_ch> nikolam: if I have problems then I will just get the new gutsy :)
[11:29] <nikolam> Yes, me too :) and ufter one update u could`nt boot. anyway it is talk for #ubuntu+1 cahnnel :)
[11:30] <hyper_ch> thrashyy: you know "Screen"?
[11:30] <snowdonkey> Hey.  I'm using Xubuntu Feisty, and I want to open files from Thunar into Vim.  Problem is "Open With" dialog doesn't have option to run a command in a terminal, so the documents don't open.  Is there a way to do this?
[11:30] <TheSheep> argh, ubiquity sucks :(
[11:30] <TheSheep> snowdonkey: use 'gvim' or '
[11:30] <TheSheep> terminal -x vim'
[11:31] <nikolam> snowdonkey OpenwithOthe Application> choose one > select/deselect "use as default
[11:31] <snowdonkey> thesheep: ok, I'll try it.
[11:31] <snowdonkey> nikolam: Even with that selected it doesn't open b/c vim's a console app.
[11:32] <thrashyy> hyper_ch I don't think so
[11:33] <hyper_ch> thrashyy: also very nice:   http://jmcpherson.org/screen.html
[11:34] <nikolam> snowdonkey: edit> configure custom actions? :)
[11:34] <snowdonkey> thesheep: thx, I got it working using command konsole -e vim (I have Kubuntu installed too).  But it keeps saying "Terminal" isn't a command, though I see that's what the program's called.
[11:34] <snowdonkey> nikolam: Right, I do that.  But vim is a console app.  Opening a document with just "vim" dosen't open it.
[11:35] <nikolam> With custom actions you open console!
[11:35] <TheSheep> snowdonkey: ah, it was renamed to xfce4-terminal
[11:35] <snowdonkey> thesheep: Aha!  :)
[11:35] <nikolam> :)
[11:36] <nikolam> "Terminal" with "T" should open it :)
[11:36] <TheSheep> snowdonkey: gvim is nice if you disable the toolbar
[11:36] <Jester45> yes a T is needed t doesnt work
[11:36] <TheSheep> snowdonkey: has nicer fonts and colors
[11:37] <nikolam> TheSheep: On 7.04 or Gutsy?
[11:37] <TheSheep> nikolam: on both, not by default though :)
[11:37] <nikolam> here at me is
[11:37] <snowdonkey> thesheep: yea I've read that.  I'm trying to go through the gauntlet of learning the commands though  :)
[11:38] <hyper_ch> oh well, that did not work well
[11:39] <nikolam> Did anyone of you actually formated and used CDRW formated as UDF?
[11:40] <nikolam> In read-write mode, of course
[11:40] <neozen> TheSheep: me as well
[11:41] <neozen> TheSheep: first thing I do on any system I work on is pull over my .vimrc
[11:41] <neozen> all hail scp
[11:41] <snowdonkey> I lost recently lost my .vimrc  :(
[11:41] <snowdonkey> *just lost
[11:42] <snowdonkey> I had key mappings for compiling and running C++ and Java too.  so sad.
[11:43] <nikolam> I have one mistery here. With other accounts Ooo works as well as Document viewer. Not with my account :)
[11:44] <neozen> lol... mine isn't even that long
[11:44] <neozen> my recent big loss was ~1yrs worth of gaim logs
[11:45] <TheSheep> neozen: I have to scp -r .vim* :)
[11:45] <neozen> what's in .viminfo anyway?
[11:45] <TheSheep> neozen: information letting Vim start where you left if you reopen files
[11:45] <TheSheep> neozen: and old clipboards
[11:45] <TheSheep> neozen: stuff like that
[11:46] <TheSheep> neozen: depends on how you configure it
[11:46] <neozen> ah
[11:46] <neozen> I've gotten addicted to xfce4-notes as well
[11:46] <neozen> I wish it had keyboard shortcuts
[11:46] <TheSheep> neozen: but I mean the .vim directory, with the colors and spell and syntax subdirectories
[11:47] <TheSheep> neozen: try Zim
[11:47] <TheSheep> neozen: it's great
[11:47] <neozen> Zim?
[11:47] <TheSheep> http://pardus-larus.student.utwente.nl/~pardus/projects/zim/
[11:47] <TheSheep> something like a tom,boy, only in perl, not c#
[11:48] <s-x-u> or kim she is great :)
[11:48] <neozen> ....xfce...
[11:49] <neozen> wait... isn't kim a bunch of filters for images in kde?
[11:49] <s-x-u> i was joking
[11:49] <neozen> like right click on an image... see "shrink by 50%", "compress for web" etc
[11:49] <neozen> how's output of zim?
[11:50] <TheSheep> neozen: text files in a directory
[11:50] <neozen> as in how it exports its stuff
[11:50] <TheSheep> neozen: with simple wiki-like formatting
[11:51] <neozen> what is wiki-like?
[11:51] <TheSheep> ==heading== [[link to other page] ]  **bold** //italic//
[11:51] <TheSheep> afair
[11:51] <neozen> ahh
[11:52] <neozen> interesting
[11:52] <neozen> I'll give it a shot
[11:52] <neozen> but..... can it blend?
[11:52] <neozen> sorry... couldn't resist
[11:53] <TheSheep> neozen: it's gtk, it should fit the rest of xfce
[11:53] <neozen> not that kind of blend
[11:53] <neozen> but noticed the gtk bindings
[11:53] <neozen> ..for me... this is a must
[11:55] <neozen> http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/10/will-it-blend-the-iphone-smoothie/
[11:56] <neozen> anyway
[11:56] <neozen> time to head off to linux group
[11:59] <nikolam> LOL
[12:00] <nikolam> WOW
[12:14] <zoredache> probably a simple question, but how do i either temporarily or permanently disable sending things to the trash?
[12:15] <s-x-u> http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/10/will-it-blend-the-iphone-smoothie/ useful info thanks a lot LOL LOL LOL that is real fun
[12:22] <Jester45> hold shift when you delete them
[12:23] <Jester45> hi Max
[12:26] <zoredache> Jester45: I was hoping to disable it completely, not temporarily... but that will work I guess.  Thanks Jester45


[11:18] <hot_wheelz> hi gys
[11:20] <hot_wheelz> anyone else lost sound on utube running 3.5.0-26-generic
[11:20] <hot_wheelz> thed volume icon has an x next to it all other videos seem fine
[11:22] <hot_wheelz> i can confirm that to be the case
[11:23] <hot_wheelz> playing music as we speak
[11:24] <hot_wheelz> i have tried a few different videos as well and they all appear to be the same


[00:15] <lifeless> hmm
[00:15] <lifeless> anyone know when dh added the '--without' option ?
[00:16] <lifeless> Trying to do a backport of subunit to hardy & getting an error about that
[00:18] <micahg> lifeless: 7.2.9
[00:20] <micahg> lifeless: which is karmic and later
[00:21] <lifeless> arhh - thanks
[05:04] <MTecknology> I just tried to package for the latest openbox but it'll only build for i386
[05:04] <MTecknology> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mtecknology/+archive/ppa/+packages
[05:05] <MTecknology> oh......
[05:06] <wgrant> It's arch-indep?
[05:06] <wgrant> Hm, no.
[05:06] <wgrant> It's arch: i386.
[05:06] <wgrant> == wrong
[05:06] <MTecknology> ya, I just changed that to any
[05:06] <MTecknology> !info openbox lucid
[05:07] <matti> ;]
[05:09] <MTecknology> maybe this will work right now :)
[05:10] <MTecknology> waiting for the new build to start now..
[05:11] <MTecknology> rejected...
[05:11] <MTecknology> apparently it lacks common sense for >
[05:11] <MTecknology> :P
[05:12] <wgrant> ?
[05:13] <MTecknology> I changed from 3.4.9-ppa0 to 3.4.9-1ubuntu1
[05:13] <MTecknology> I deleted the ppa0 one
[05:14] <MTecknology> I'm trying to upload it again
[05:39] <MTecknology> What's going on with this? https://edge.launchpad.net/~mtecknology/+archive/ppa/+packages
[05:39] <MTecknology> "Dependency wait"
[05:43] <MTecknology> eh... I'll just bug somebody to get 3.4.9 into 10.04
[05:54] <wgrant> MTecknology: Did you just manually retry that?
[05:55] <wgrant> And on what did it depwait?
[05:55] <MTecknology> I didn't knwo I could check that..
[05:55] <wgrant> The email will probably tell you, and so does the page (until it's retried).
[05:55] <wgrant> Did you retry it?
[05:56] <wgrant> I wonder if it was retried automatically in error.
[05:56] <MTecknology> no; no email either; but i wound up deleting it
[05:56] <wgrant> Oh, right, no email for depwait.
[05:56] <wgrant> But did you retry it or not
[05:56] <wgrant> ?
[05:57] <MTecknology> no
[05:57] <wgrant> So there is a bug :(
[05:57] <MTecknology> I broke something :D
[05:58] <wgrant> Oh, no, I was just looking at the wrong build.
[05:59] <wgrant> xlibs-dev hasn't existed for a Long Time.
[05:59] <MTecknology> I'll try to pull the current version and look at the debian/* files and compare
[05:59] <MTecknology> I was trying to build from what they already had
[05:59] <MTecknology> git clone git://git.icculus.org/mikachu/openbox openbox
[06:03] <MTecknology> wgrant: this is weird... I was doing apt-get source openbox and apparently there's this too - svn://svn.debian.org/svn/collab-maint/deb-maint/openbox
[06:03] <wgrant> MTecknology: Is that weird?
[06:04] <MTecknology> wgrant: well - they use git..
[06:04] <MTecknology> wgrant: as far as their wiki sayd
[06:04] <MTecknology> says*
[06:05] <wgrant> MTecknology: Upstream might use git now, but the Debian package use(s|d) svn.
[06:05] <wgrant> Not an uncommon situation.
[06:06] <MTecknology> ok; I'll just try to make this work using git
[06:06] <MTecknology> I know git is upstream
[06:08] <MTecknology> I was told the fix I'm after is in git
[06:11] <MTecknology> wgrant: I'm thinking I might need to try out dh_make even though most of the stuff is already there .. idk
[06:13] <MTecknology> wgrant: app_version-karmic0; is that the right format?
[06:14] <wgrant> MTecknology: That does not match any of the commonly accepted version conventions. Have a look around at packages, PPAs and documentation.
[06:15] <MTecknology> wgrant: I'm probably too tired to be doing this if I'm not finding any of that :P
[06:16] <ScottK> Probably.
[06:16] <MTecknology> 0ubuntu1
[06:16] <MTecknology> I see that one
[06:16] <ScottK> that's for the archive, not for PPAs
[06:16] <MTecknology> I was looking at https://edge.launchpad.net/~doctormo/+archive/ppa
[06:17] <MTecknology> I saw app_version-ppa0 earlier
[06:17] <ScottK> He's not an Ubuntu developer, so consider the source.
[06:17] <MTecknology> true
[06:17] <MTecknology> I'd like to make sure this gets into 10.04; but that comes later; for now I just use -ppa0 ?
[06:18] <ScottK> No.
[06:18] <MTecknology> I'
[06:18] <MTecknology> I'll look around more
[06:19] <crimsun> foo_1.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1, foo_1.0-0ubuntu1~mktecknology1; foo_1.0-0ubuntu1+ppa1; foo_1.0-0ubuntu2~ppa1
[06:20] <crimsun> each of those has a specific use
[06:20] <crimsun> the first set (delimited by semicolon) is for a PPA version not yet in Ubuntu proper
[06:21] <crimsun> the second set is for a PPA version newer than what's in Ubuntu proper that you wish to denote is explicitly based on 1.0-0ubuntu1
[06:21] <crimsun> the third set is for a PPA version newer than what's in Ubuntu proper that you wish to denote may not be based on what will be in the next Ubuntu version
[06:21] <crimsun> and, of course, there are variations
[06:22] <crimsun> the importance of proper versioning is that you don't want override the next version in Ubuntu proper
[06:22] <MTecknology> how do I see how it's named in Ubuntu?
[06:22] <MTecknology> openbox-<IP_ADDRESS>
[06:23] <crimsun> rmadison
[06:23] <crimsun> so, rmadison -uubuntu openbox
[06:23] <crimsun> (you can omit -uubuntu for sufficiently new versions of rmadison)
[06:23] <crimsun> likewise, -uqa for what's in Debian
[06:23] <MTecknology> lucid = <IP_ADDRESS>-5
[06:24] <crimsun> make sure you pass source package names to rmadison (or at least be aware that you should read the corresponding 'source' output line)
[06:24] <MTecknology> hardy has the ubuntu word in it - <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2
[06:25] <crimsun> namely, you can pass binary package names to rmadison, but the output can be confusing unless you're fairly familiar with the packaging (e.g., linux, linux-meta{
[06:25] <crimsun> )*
[06:25] <MTecknology> otherwise it goes -2, -3, -4, -5
[06:25] <MTecknology> I hope to be familiar enough with it someday
[06:27] <MTecknology> so openbox_<IP_ADDRESS>-0+ppa1 ?
[06:27] <crimsun> what's the actual upstream version?
[06:27] <MTecknology>    openbox |  <IP_ADDRESS>-5 | lucid/universe | source, amd64, i386
[06:27] <MTecknology> oh..
[06:27] <MTecknology> 3.9.4
[06:28] <MTecknology> 3.4.9 **
[06:28] <crimsun> so, it's a good idea to get 3.9.4 into Debian unstable
[06:28] <crimsun> 3.4.9, then
[06:28] <crimsun> since sid only has 3.4.8
[06:29] <MTecknology> packaging is the same isn't it? I just need to submit to that other place
[06:29] <crimsun> (a somewhat Ubuntu-centric dev would use 3.4.9-0ubuntu1~foo1, but again, getting it into Debian sid is the better choice)
[06:29] <MTecknology> http://mentors.debian.net/
[06:30] <crimsun> yes, mentors
[06:30] <crimsun> anyhoo, offline for toodles
[06:30] <MTecknology> which is why it lacks the ubuntu1 part?
[06:31] <MTecknology> ok, thanks - I'll try to package it with openbox_3.4.9-0+ppa1
[06:32] <MTecknology> or s/0/1/ ..?
[06:32] <wgrant> Is it derived from the first Debian version of 3.4.9?
[06:33] <MTecknology> not afaik
[06:33] <wgrant> Then -1+* would be a lie.
[06:33] <MTecknology> debian doesn't have 3.4.9
[06:33] <MTecknology> -0+* would be honest then?
[06:34] <wgrant> Yes.
[06:34] <MTecknology> that's the people telling me arrays should start at 1 :P
[06:39] <MTecknology> wgrant: so after I build iti I should rename karmic to lenny and submit to debian mentors?
[06:40] <wgrant> MTecknology: If you want to submit it to Debian mentors, yes.
[06:40] <MTecknology> thanks
[06:42] <ScottK> You'll want to follw the Debian scheme for revision numbering on mentors though.
[06:44] <MTecknology> ScottK: it looks like that means just omittint the +* for this
[06:49] <MTecknology> this doesn't look like a good package to practice on...
[08:07] <LLStarks> hi.
[08:07] <LLStarks> why is adobe-flashplugin used for restricted extras instead of flashplugin-installer?
[10:39] <surfzoid> Hi
[10:39] <surfzoid> on the web, is there deb pkg of mono more recent than the 2.4 ?
[10:40] <surfzoid> directhex: you are the Mono expert :-) ?
[10:40] <ikonia> if there is why would you want it ?
[10:42] <surfzoid> ikonia: weired question, but, because i m developper and want to folow some bug fix, new feature and so one, also at least if there isn't one i plane to build one throug open suse build service
[10:42] <ikonia> if it's outside the ubuntu repo's it doesn't seem with it as it won't be packaged for ubuntu, so your testing may not be valid
[10:43] <ikonia> eg: you test it , it works, ubuntu package it slightly different (patches etc) and your testing is void
[10:43] <surfzoid> so once time is the ubuntu mono pkg more recent than the old 2.4 ?
[10:44]  * surfzoid is there
[10:44] <ikonia> surfzoid: is it in the repo ?
[10:44] <surfzoid> ikonia: is there a way to contribute in packaging or the actual maintener of Mono pkg work on it ?
[10:45] <surfzoid> yes in the repo = 2.4
[10:45] <ikonia> surfzoid: so then the version in the repo is the latest version
[10:45] <ikonia> (assuming you're checking all the repos)
[10:45] <surfzoid> 2.4 is pretty old
[10:45] <ikonia> surfzoid: what version of ubuntu ?
[10:45] <surfzoid> ikonia: 9.10 , but i m new in ubuntu word, perhap s i miss an repo
[10:46] <ikonia> surfzoid: also - you're in the right place to contribute, lots of guys in here are part of the packaging world
[10:46] <surfzoid> ikonia: so how to process, i already have my own ubutu repo, but is not "oficial"
[10:46] <ikonia> ikonia: if you go to "system->administration->software sources" you can see what repos you have
[10:47] <ikonia> surfzoid: I guess it depends where the package you want to update is, (what repo)
[10:47] <surfzoid> ikonia: my repo live at opensuse OBS
[10:48] <ikonia> errrrr I mean what ubuntu repo the package you want to update is in
[10:50] <surfzoid> ikonia: i'm not sur it could help since is in french, but here it is my repo http://picpaste.com/pics/Capture-3.1261306191.png
[10:50] <surfzoid> i will look for mono source
[10:52] <surfzoid> ikonia: mono is from this repo : http://picpaste.com/pics/Capture-4.1261306333.png
[10:53] <ikonia> !info mono-runtime
[10:53] <ikonia> surfzoid: ok - so it's in the core main repo
[10:53] <surfzoid> !info mono
[10:53] <ikonia> surfzoid: you'd have to get a launcpad.net account and contribute to the package that way, it's developers will be in #ubuntu-devel
[10:54] <surfzoid> hum i have reqested a build pkg of my softwares at lauchpad so my account is enought ?
[10:55] <ikonia> I'd gues s so
[10:55] <ikonia> oops, guess so
[10:55] <surfzoid> so after i build the pkg somewhere and mail directly to the actual maintener ?
[10:56] <ikonia> log an update request and link your package to it
[10:56] <ikonia> (the one in your ubuntu branch) talk the maintainers, most are really gratful for help, speak to directhex also, he's put in a lot of effort for mono and ubuntu / debian
[10:56] <surfzoid> like the !info, there is an query to know the actual guy who package mono ?
[10:56] <surfzoid> oki
[10:57] <ikonia> surfzoid: it's normally not one guy (but can be) if you log a bug/upgrade against in launchpad it will contact the maintainers
[11:00] <surfzoid> damed i m logged at LP, but it is where i post new bug !!
[11:03] <surfzoid> ikonia: i m complety unable to find how to post a new bug !! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/443398
[11:04] <ikonia> surfzoid: if there is an existing bug - add to it
[11:04] <surfzoid> i used the search engine but no result
[11:04] <surfzoid> so i guess i need to add, but where ?!! it is amazing to have a so complicated system !
[11:05] <ikonia> then log a new bug,
[11:05] <ikonia> why did you post that bug (443398) if it's not the bug you're interested in
[11:06] <surfzoid> that s what i try ,and finally find a link from my old bug, but from home page if you click on "bug" there isn t link to report a new one !!
[11:06] <surfzoid> iko see date of the bug please
[11:06] <ikonia> I don't need to see the date of the bug
[11:08] <surfzoid> ikonia: "why did you post that bug (443398) if it's not the bug you're interested in" because we spoke about an Mono release today and the old 443398 is an MonoOSC bug for release of my software, so yes , see the dates !!
[11:08] <ikonia> why ???
[11:09] <ikonia> it's either the bug you want to update, or it's not
[11:09] <ikonia> in which case log a new one
[11:10] <surfzoid> comon, of course not : bug 443398 = MonoOSC/MonoOBSFramework, the new bug we are speaking = Mono Framework
[11:10] <ikonia> ????
[11:11] <ikonia> either update the bug if you feel it's relevant, or log a new bug that is what you need/want
[11:11] <surfzoid> Finaly i will not report a release query, ubuntu is really to mutch complicated for me, i will simply and badly duplicate efort by building Mono in my OBS repo !!
[11:11] <ikonia> a release query, ???
[11:12] <ikonia> you don't want a query, you want it updated, so to get it updated you need to log a bug/feature request
[11:12] <surfzoid> i know my english is poor, but realy at this level
[11:12] <ikonia> I don't understand why that is a problem
[11:16] <surfzoid> release/update query/log okidoki !!
[11:16] <surfzoid> same thing
[11:17] <ikonia> ???
[13:01] <geser> dktrkranz: re debian bug #560758: this it not due the LP debian mirror being out-of-sync (as no --lp switch got used) but due to rmadison now listing several "source" lines and the requestsync code not using the most recent one (I found it now too and looking into it)
[13:20] <dktrkranz> geser: mmh, that's probably the real issue, I checked on some packages and I was unable to reproduce anymore, maybe I was just unlucky to pick those with a single source entry
[13:34] <adhorden> inside a package is there any way to stop it from building the documentation? I am building and packaging a cross compiler based on gcc-4.4.2 but I do not need the docs, so was curious if you can stop this in the configure arguments
[13:36] <geser> depends on upstream's configure script
[13:38] <adhorden> geser, the upstream package is gcc-core-4.4.2 and I just apply a patch to build a cross compiler, I am guessing the GCC configure script does not allow you to disable building of docs
[13:39] <adhorden> I just have an rm -rf /usr/man in my rules but i though there might be a better solution
[14:19] <surfzoid> so i m trying to build an ubuntu pkg with the folowing dsc : http://pastebin.com/d71362a67
[14:20] <surfzoid> but i already get the folowing error
[14:20] <surfzoid> dpkg-source: error: Files field contains bad line `c87d9fdb04a3233cd89512dbf816cc5a mono-2.6.1.tar.gz'
[14:20] <surfzoid> i really don't see what is wrong in format or other !
[14:21] <surfzoid> anybody have an clue ?
[14:22] <ari-tczew> surfzoid, are you trying to build changed by you package? or original package?
[14:23] <surfzoid> changed by me after calculate again the md5
[14:24] <surfzoid> ari-tczew: ^
[14:27] <surfzoid> ok
[14:27] <ari-tczew> it looks like you did change in orig tarball
[14:28] <ari-tczew> btw. why this is not .orig.tar.gz ?
[14:31] <surfzoid> ari-tczew: no clue ?
[14:32] <ari-tczew> surfzoid, do you want to update mono to 2.6.1 version?
[14:32] <ari-tczew> it would be nice to report bug @ bugs.debian.org
[14:32] <geser> surfzoid: where did you got this .dsc? the Files line looks broken
[14:33] <surfzoid> yes 2.6.1, i got it from 2.4 one
[14:33] <geser> you constructed this .dsc by hand?
[14:33] <ari-tczew> if you did all changes what are needs by 2.6.1, you must put "debuild -us -uc"
[14:34] <ari-tczew> if built will fine, get debuild -S
[14:34] <surfzoid> geser: i modify it by hand yes
[14:34] <ari-tczew> lol
[14:35] <surfzoid> !!
[14:36] <geser> why? why not used the tools intended for it?
[14:36] <surfzoid> hum, which one ?
[14:37] <surfzoid> geser: i m more rpm and just discover the deb world
[14:37] <ari-tczew> surfzoid, maybe you should read some articles on wiki.ubuntu.com ?
[14:37] <geser> debuild -S or dpkg-buildpackage -S
[14:38] <surfzoid> some gui exist for those command line tools ?
[14:40] <geser> I don't know any
[14:53] <surfzoid> finaly damed, the problem was only "-" rather "_" !!
[14:55] <ari-tczew> surfzoid, great, but please don't handly changing dsc file in future, just use debuild ;-D
[14:57] <surfzoid> yes now i know, the puzle sound like really more easy
[14:58] <surfzoid> in fact, if you have existing source, the only stuff is to change the log and debuild do all the stuf :-)
[15:18] <surfzoid> hum using the tool give me new error : http://pastebin.com/d52de1cc3
[15:19] <surfzoid> i did something wrong or foprget something ?
[15:21] <surfzoid> the funny is if i go in my source dir and do the autogen.sh all is okay
[15:21] <ari-tczew> myabe someone is wrong with debian/rules?
[15:21] <ari-tczew> maybe
[15:22] <ari-tczew> I guess you should add autoconf patch
[15:22] <surfzoid> hum where it is ?
[15:22] <ari-tczew> create folder, unpack there .orig.tar.gz
[15:22] <ari-tczew> and copy unpacked folder
[15:23] <surfzoid> where
[15:23] <ari-tczew> lol, are you in folder with mono, right?
[15:23] <ari-tczew> here is *.orig.tar.gz right?
[15:24] <surfzoid> yes
[15:25] <ari-tczew> so, for example please create folder, e.g. call it "diff", so put in console: mkdir diff
[15:25] <ari-tczew> then unpack *.orig.tar.gz with mono in diff folder
[15:26] <ari-tczew> if you have unpacked orig.tar.gz, please copy it, because you need 2 folders for compare
[15:27] <ari-tczew> in efects you should have in diff folder e.g. mono-2.6.1 and mono-2.6.1 (copy)
[15:27] <surfzoid> oki now i see better you would like i compare the 2 dir
[15:27] <ari-tczew> are you understand
[15:27] <ari-tczew> yes, compare two dirs
[15:28] <ari-tczew> in one dir you need to run command: autoconf
[15:28] <ari-tczew> then go back and compare these dirs
[15:28] <ari-tczew> cd .. && diff -pruN dir1 dir2 > autoconf.patch
[15:30] <surfzoid> sorry i said a mistake, i don't have an orig tarball
[15:30] <ari-tczew> just I saw in your pastebin
[15:31] <ari-tczew> ehh surfzoid, you must rename to .orig.tar.gz
[15:31] <ari-tczew> so, e.g.: mv mono_2.6.1.tar.gz mono_2.6.1.orig.tar.gz
[15:31] <surfzoid> ha oki
[15:33] <surfzoid> at the same time i see other posible mistake of the tool, my source dir is "mono-2.6.1" but the tool make an "mono_2.6.1.tar.gz" with inside "mono-2.6.1" so "_" vs "-" will make trouble ?
[15:33] <ari-tczew> source dir is ok
[15:34] <ari-tczew> continue work ...
[15:34] <surfzoid> if i rename to .orig.tar.gz i must change that also in the dsc file ?
[15:34] <ari-tczew> LOL don't change handly dsc file !
[15:34] <ari-tczew> dsc will change by debuild
[15:34] <ari-tczew> automatically
[15:35] <surfzoid> hum weird pointer :-)
[15:37] <adhorden> do not change the dsc by hand, use debuild
[15:38] <surfzoid> on a side debian is stric , really amazing stric, and it permit this lol
[15:45] <surfzoid> very long to build this 35 Mega of sources :D
[15:48] <surfzoid> ari-tczew: i have followed you by renaming to orig.tar.gz, but of course ! :
[15:48] <surfzoid> dpkg-source: error: cannot fstat file /usr/src/packages/SOURCES/mono_2.6.1.tar.gz: No such file or directory
[15:50] <surfzoid> it confuse me to have checsum of file name with only tar.gz, but use an orig.tar.gz rather
[16:02] <surfzoid> ari-tczew: oki, you was right, i know understand, renaming in ori.tar.gz, but lunch the tool in mono-2.6.1 dir, detect the new origi.tar.gz and adjust the dsc file :-)
[16:03] <ari-tczew> exactly
[16:03] <surfzoid> i just forget the step to rerun the tool :-)
[16:03] <ari-tczew> as you see themselve surfzoid, changing dsc file is no sense
[16:04] <ari-tczew> surfzoid, do you have patch autoconf ?
[16:05] <surfzoid> no yet, now i have clean many thing, i would like to check again before
[16:53] <directhex> oh lord
[16:53] <directhex> anyone uploads a new mono to ubuntu, heads will roll. FYI.
[16:54] <sebnerr> directhex: uhuhuhu \o/ .. what happened?
[16:54] <Laney> nobody would ever sponsor it
[16:55] <sebnerr> Laney: archive admin wise?
[16:57] <surfzoid>  directhex : you mean, a new release of mono is now available in ubuntu 9.10 ?
[16:57] <sebnerr> surfzoid: 9.10 is frozen and security upload only
[16:58] <surfzoid> sebnerr there isn't something like backport ?
[16:58] <sebnerr> surfzoid: yeah but hardly used (for mono)
[16:59] <directhex> anything with lots of rdepends is effectively blacklisted from being backported
[16:59] <directhex> things like new gcc releases or new python releases or new mono releases have too high a risk of breaking existing apps
[16:59] <joaopinto> directhex, you became afraid ? :)
[17:00] <surfzoid> yes, on other side you should upgrade one day :-)
[17:00] <sebnerr> directhex: what about the sponsoring stuff? No auto-sync for 2.4.3? I'll choose 2.6 though, poor meebey
[17:00] <surfzoid> 2.7
[17:00]  * Laney is confused
[17:00] <sebnerr> surfzoid: ?? there is no 2.7
[17:01] <surfzoid> sebnerr mono -V
[17:01] <surfzoid> Mono JIT compiler version 2.7 (
[17:01] <sebnerr> surfzoid: trunk then?
[17:01] <surfzoid> yep :-)
[17:02] <sebnerr> surfzoid: we're talking about ubuntu versions ;)
[17:02] <directhex> sebner, 2.4.3 should sync in at some point. but we're making changes to stuff which will cause breakage, and that transition really needs to be completed
[17:02] <sebnerr> Laney: what's no with that: No one will sponsor it?
[17:02] <directhex> sebner, i'd rather get it finished in debian then have the whole lot come into ubuntu in one go
[17:02] <sebnerr> directhex: ah the -cil stuff?
[17:02] <directhex> sebner, right
[17:02] <directhex> sebner, and getting rid of /usr/bin/csc
[17:03] <sebnerr> directhex: isn't everything with mono-csc already?
[17:03] <directhex> not everything.
[17:03] <sebnerr> kk
[17:03] <directhex> it all *needs* to be done though
[17:04] <sebnerr> directhex: I doubt meebey targets 2.6 for lucid?
[17:04] <directhex> i'm still waiting on meebey to give me the goahead to break stuff like gtk#
[17:04] <directhex> sebner, meebey intends to taregt 2.4.x for squeeze (march freeze) with 2.6 in experimental
[17:04] <sebnerr> so, ubuntu too. Ic
[17:04] <directhex> sebner, 2.4.x is upstream's LTS branch
[17:08] <directhex> surfzoid, 2.6 will likely appear in a PPA in january. probably
[17:08] <surfzoid> thanks, but i m trying now to build it at OBS :-)
[17:09] <surfzoid> i just have an compile error
[17:09] <sebnerr> directhex: does meebey already know what changes with 2.6? Anything important to mind?
[17:09] <directhex> sebner, 4.0 classlib
[17:10] <sebnerr> directhex: that means?
[17:10] <directhex> not sure yet. it means *something* though. new corlib, new compiler, etc
[17:10] <surfzoid> directhex: have you got few minutes to help : https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=Mono&project=home%3Asurfzoid%3ADebianUbuntu%3AMono    ?
[17:11] <surfzoid> please :-)
[17:13] <sebnerr> directhex: uhh, I smell another transition + breakage :P
[17:14] <directhex> sebner, if everything uses mono-devel and -cil-dev packages, then it should be rebuild-only
[17:14] <directhex> surfzoid, looks like your .install files need massaging. there's only 99 of them to tweak. chop chop.
[17:14] <sebnerr> directhex: heh, we'll see
[17:14] <directhex> dh_install: libmono-c5-1.0-cil missing files (debian/tmp/usr/lib/mono/gac/Mono.C5/1.0.*/), aborting
[17:16] <surfzoid> directhex: the build of the deb is different of ./autogen.sh && make && make install ??
[17:18] <surfzoid> directhex: you mean, i need to change all the 99 files one by one, ?
[17:20] <surfzoid> the problem is more here , no : ERROR: ld.so: object 'libfakeroot-sysv.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
[17:20] <directhex> surfzoid, you certainly need to change libmono-c5-1.0-cil.install since that's where it's bailing out
[17:20] <directhex> surfzoid, no, libfakeroot messages aren't real errors & should be ignored.
[17:20] <surfzoid> and the .so missing is not so important ?
[17:20] <surfzoid> oki
[17:21] <surfzoid> directhex: libmono-c5-1.0-cil.install is a file generated or provided by mono source ?
[17:22] <directhex> surfzoid, it's in debian/ along with 188 other files/folders which make up the mono source package
[17:24] <directhex> closer to 229 including patches etc
[17:26] <surfzoid> directhex: not sur, but, in Mono2.6 the Net1.0 stuff was dropped ?
[17:32] <directhex> i thought that was happening in 2.8 not 2.6
[17:32] <directhex> but i could be wrong
[17:33] <surfzoid> directhex: in fact i m complety sure it is dropped in 2.7
[17:33] <sebnerr> directhex: sounds familiar
[17:33] <surfzoid> i had the problem last week with the trunk version
[18:18] <bjsnider> siretart, ping
[18:39] <cratylus> is there a place, either in ubuntu or debian where one can filter the list of packages to see which source format their in (either command line or on the web somewhere). i'm trying to find examples of 3.0 (quilt) formatted packages to study
[18:59] <MTecknology> cratylus: now there's different formats I need to learn? :(
[19:01] <cratylus> MTecknology, tell me about it. apparently there's a new craze every now and then
[19:01] <cratylus> you don't HAVE to change formats as the others are supported, though
[19:02] <MTecknology> cratylus: I'm just learning basics when I have a little spare time; I'll get it eventually
[19:03] <cratylus> MTecknology, i'm in the same boat right now. so many docs to read!
[19:09] <joaopinto> I coudn't find much documentation about debsrcr3.0 either, the best resource I could find was man dpkg-source
[19:11] <cratylus> joaopinto, yep, i'm basically using that and Hertzog's doc. along with apt-get source for such packages whose debian/source/format file has "3.0 (quilt)" as it's content
[19:11] <cratylus> found a few so far
[19:16] <crimsun> I remember there are some posts on planet Debian about it
[19:17] <crimsun> a few people have blogged about "converting" to it
[19:29] <cratylus> it's still just getting started with 466 packages to date: http://upsilon.cc/~zack/stuff/dpkg-v3/
[20:09] <cratylus> i think i found the answer to my earlier question about seeing which packages have that format. seems the ultimate debian database has a format field one can query: http://udd.debian.org/schema/udd.html#public.view.all-sources
[20:16] <tritium> I'm trying to use requestsync to request the syncing of ng-spice-rework (20-1) from Debian testing.  I'm sshed into my server, performed the manage-credentials step, but am now geting an error "Could not find cookie file for Launchpad...", and so on.  Must I ssh -X and run firefox graphically to complete the requestsync?
[20:17] <ScottK> tritium: Or use the email option
[20:17] <ScottK> tritium: Or copy the cookie from another box
[20:19] <tritium> ScottK: the email option, meaning don't use the "--lp" switch?  I've tried that.
[20:20] <ScottK> Yes.  That shouldn't need the cookie
[20:20] <geser> tritium: which ubuntu-dev-tools version do you have installed on your server?
[20:21] <tritium> geser: 0.72, on a jaunty box
[20:27] <tritium> geser: any ideas?
[20:27] <geser> looking at the code from this version
[20:27] <tritium> Thanks.
[20:29] <tritium> Let me try copying ~/.cache/lp_credentials/ubuntu-dev-tools-write_public.txt to ~/.lpcookie.txt.
[20:29] <geser> this version still used the firefox cookie at some places
[20:31] <tritium> Well, I can wait until I get home in January.
[20:32] <geser> .lpcookie.txt is the LP cookie from firefox
[20:33] <tritium> No luck with that.
[20:33] <geser> if it doesn't exist, it tries to find it in cookies.sqlite or cookies.txt from firefox
[20:34] <geser> try copying it from your desktop and placing in a location matching ~/.mozilla/*/*/cookies.sqlite
[20:35] <geser> requestsync (or more precisely a module from u-d-t) should extract it from there and store it in ~/.lpcookie.txt for future use
[20:37] <tritium> Try copying ~/.cache/lp_credentials/ubuntu-dev-tools-write_public.txt to ~/.mozilla/*/*/cookies.sqlite?
[20:38] <geser> no, your firefox cookie database
[20:39] <geser> scp ~/.mozilla/*/*/cookie.sqlite server:~/.mozilla/foo/bar/cookies.sqlite
[20:39] <tritium> Oh, I see.  Well, I'm on my wife's MacBook.  Let me see if that works.
[20:41] <geser> or wherever the firefox cookie database is for you
[20:41] <tritium> geser: perhaps I'll just file a bug on Launchpad, following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess.
[20:42] <tritium> I appreciate your help trying to get it working.
[20:42] <geser> that's also a way (if it's easier for you)
[20:46] <tritium> OK, I'm getting somewhere.   to file it directly into LP and not mail it?
[20:52] <tritium> Earlier, but not since fixing the cookie issue.  Let me try again.  Thanks for the reminder.
[20:53] <tritium> Sweet!  Thanks, geser.
[20:54] <tritium> Filed as bug 498871
[20:54] <crimsun> geser: thanks for fixing requestsync
[20:55] <tritium> Sweet tool!
[20:55] <tritium> Hello, crimsun.
[20:57] <crimsun> hi, tritium
[20:58] <tritium> crimsun: I'm out here in your neck of the woods, enjoying all this snow.
[20:59] <crimsun> ah, whereabouts?
[21:00] <tritium> Loudon County, VA
[21:00] <tritium> ~15 minutes from Dulles airport.
[21:01] <crimsun> ouch
[21:01] <crimsun> yeah, it has been pretty nice
[21:01] <crimsun> I'm in town until Christmas Day (on assignment afterward)
[21:02] <tritium> Ah, really?
[21:02] <tritium> Are you far from the 20152 zip code?
[21:02] <crimsun> I'm [living] in DC presently
[21:03] <tritium> Ah, ok.  I knew you were in the general area.
[21:13] <bddebian> Hey wait, crimsun is crimsun again?
[21:13] <ScottK> Apparently
[21:13] <ScottK> tritium: I'm kind of NW of DC and west of Baltimore.  Not so far away either.
[21:14] <tritium> ScottK: wow!  :)
[21:16] <tritium> ScottK: snowed in?
[21:16] <ScottK> Yep.
[21:16] <ScottK> Driveway is shoveled, but the street isn't plowed yet.
[21:16] <ScottK> I've heard the plows on the nearest main road, so there's hope.
[21:16] <tritium> We arrived from NM just in time on Thursday night (early Friday morning, technically).
[21:17] <tritium> I did a fair amount of shoveling this morning.
[21:17] <tritium> Hey there, bddebian!
[21:17]  * ScottK is waiting for the Ibuprofen to kick in.
[21:18] <tritium> What ails you?
[21:18] <ScottK> Back pain from the shovelling.
[21:19] <tritium> Ah, but of course.
[21:21] <crimsun> a few people from my complex cleared our street
[21:21] <crimsun> I feel like an old man now
[21:27] <bddebian> Hi tritium
[21:28] <bddebian> Pfft, you guys don't know the meaning of old.. :)
[21:28] <crimsun> does anyone else see abysmal response time for rmadison -uubuntu queries?
[21:28] <crimsun> bah, and as soon as I say that, it returns immediately
[21:29] <bddebian> heh
[21:30] <ScottK> crimsun: Routinetly
[21:32]  * dhillon-v10 says UBUNTU IS AWESOME, especially PPA's
[21:32] <ScottK> dhillon-v10: PPAs aren't Ubuntu
[21:32] <dhillon-v10> ScottK, lol, but the build process it sooo easy
[21:33] <dhillon-v10> ScottK, and people can easily install .deb
[21:33] <ScottK> Yes, but those aren't part of Ubuntu.
[21:33] <ScottK> They are built ON Ubuntu, but not part of it.
[21:33] <dhillon-v10> ScottK, okay :D that was very precise
[21:34] <dhillon-v10> ScottK, hey I know you, you are that person who made merge-o-matic website right
[21:34] <ScottK> Nope.
[21:34] <ScottK> That was Keybuk
[21:34] <dhillon-v10> ScottK, ahh, I saw your last name so :D
[21:34] <dhillon-v10> * irc nick
[21:39] <dhillon-v10> ScottK, hey what happens to a package that has symlinks. Does it build differently from others or is it just rejected from the build queue
[21:39] <crimsun> what do you mean by "has symlinks"?
[21:41] <tritium> Daddy duty calls.  Talk to you later!
[21:42] <crimsun> bye
[21:49] <quidnunc> Is there a way to look up the information for a given GPG key ID?
[21:49] <crimsun> as in "use a keyserver"?
[21:49] <LLStarks> why is adobe-flashplugin used for restricted extras instead of flashplugin-installer?
[21:50] <crimsun> because it's the blessed package.
[21:50] <quidnunc> crimsun: Sorry? I assume it is listed on keyserver.ubuntu.com but I don't know how to go from key ID -> metainfo
[21:51] <crimsun> quidnunc: depending if you've imported it locally, you can query using gnupg
[21:51] <geser> quidnunc: what kind of meta-info are you looking for?
[21:51] <quidnunc> geser: I want to know who it belongs to.
[21:52] <quidnunc> crimsun: I'm trying to decide whether I should import it. The first question was, "Who's is it".
[21:52] <geser> quidnunc: either import the key into your keyring or use the web-interface of some keyservers, e.g. http://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de/
[21:52] <geser> many other keyservers have a web interface too
[21:53] <quidnunc> keyserver.ubuntu.com does not seem to.
[21:53] <geser> yes, it does too (if you know the port)
[21:53] <geser> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/
[21:54] <quidnunc> geser: thanks
[21:55] <quidnunc> geser: Can you search by key ID? I'm not getting any results.
[21:55] <geser> sure, I does it regularly, prefix it with "0x"
[21:56] <quidnunc> geser: Thanks that worked.
[21:57] <quidnunc> The info for my key is blank. What is the policy for signing sources uploaded to archive.ubuntu.com?
[21:58] <geser> your gpg key must be attached to your LP account
[21:59] <quidnunc> geser: How can I find that out for 21B2133D?
[22:00] <geser> open your LP page and look at the "OpenPGP keys" field
[22:03] <quidnunc> geser: That's for my keys. This is not my key.
[22:03] <geser> ah
[22:04] <quidnunc> Anyway, never mind. I'm not going to import it into my keyring. I'll trust the integrity.
[22:05] <Laney> I just googled for "ubuntu keyserver" and there it was
[22:05] <Laney> oh you alredy got it :)
[22:05] <ajmitch> actually searching on google for 'gpg 21B2133D' showed me whose key it is
[22:07] <quidnunc> ajmitch: Does it? Maybe I don't understand how to read that page. Is it Steve's?
[22:07] <ajmitch> yes, it looks to be a subkey of his
[22:08] <quidnunc> ajmitch: Alright thanks.
[22:08] <geser> quidnunc: you can also look at the signature a key has and decide on the amount of signatures, signatures from "trusted" persons, etc. if you trust this key or not
[22:11] <geser> from a LP point-of-view any dev could create new gpg key (without any other signatures besides the self-signature), attach it to his LP account and use this key for signing uploads
[22:11] <David-T> um.... anyone could create any number of keys and sign their own key with them... amount of signatures is not a very useful indicator
[22:12] <wgrant> David-T: Right, you need to trust the signatures. That's the OpenPGP trust model.
[22:38] <dhillon-v10> guys I have a real quick question: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/486903 there is already a .deb on the bluej website so what should I do there
[22:39] <RAOF> dhillon-v10: Check out their source package; it may be a good start.
[22:40] <dhillon-v10> RAOF, so what happens to the bug report, should I package it again from the source and make a new .deb for ubunut
[22:40] <siretart> bjsnider: really short pong
[22:41] <RAOF> dhillon-v10: You can't upload binary packages to Ubuntu, so unless they _also_ have a source package for download (this is not the same as their program source), you'll need to package it independently.
[22:41] <dhillon-v10> RAOF, alright thanks so this would just be another regular package rihgt
[22:41] <dhillon-v10> *right
[22:41] <RAOF> dhillon-v10: Or, contact them & collaborate on brining their source package up to archive standards; it's almost certainly going to be missing some policy nicities.
[22:42] <RAOF> Yes.  It's going to be just a regular package.
[22:42] <dhillon-v10> RAOF, thanks :D
[22:45] <dhillon-v10> RAOF, alright so what happens after the I package, where should I upload it ? REVU ?
[22:49] <bjsnider> siretart, have yet another question about mplayer. somebody wrote me asking if it could play wmapro files. should the karmic version be able to?
[23:24] <jcastro> RAOF: ping!