[14:40] <mzz> (laptop builtin sound unused, one external usb<->midi "soundcard" with a keyboard hooked up, one creative usb soundcard, jackd talking to those two, and *another* usb soundcard for audacity to record from :)
[14:51]  * nameiner is away: Gone away for now
[14:52] <tarzan> when i disable my synaptics touchpad using an acpi event, /etc/acpi/asus-touchpad.sh is executed. however after i press a key syndaemon re-enables the touchpad. is this normal?
[14:52] <huwenfeng> 9.10 is coming! soon!
[14:53] <huwenfeng> i hope it will be a success!
[14:54] <petsounds> hi. how can i turning off wi-fi? thank you
[14:56] <tarzan> petsounds: just rip the wifi card out and beat it repeatedly with a hammer
[14:57] <tarzan> no seriously, right-click on the network manager icon in the top bar and disable wireless networks should do it for most cards i guess
[14:58] <petsounds> tarzan : no options like u mentions
[14:58] <petsounds> and thats why im asking
[15:00] <BluesKaj> topbar ? most refer to it as the panel
[15:01] <petsounds> im using eee pc 1000he and i need to turn off wifi to save my battery life cos right now im using ethernet
[15:04] <Memphisau> is there a wireless switch on the unit itself?
[15:04] <Memphisau> for many laptop's a combination of 2 keys; usually Fn+F2
[15:05] <Memphisau> Fn can usually be found in bottom left of keyboard
[15:05] <petsounds> sadly fn+f2 is not working
[15:05] <Memphisau> not sure how you'd convince it to turn off then
[15:05] <tarzan> petsounds: which wifi card do you have?
[15:05] <Memphisau> short of perhaps unloading the module it uses
[15:06] <brianV> hi all. Every time I try to stop MySQL on Ubuntu, it fails, and I get the following message in my syslog:
[15:06] <brianV> Oct 27 11:05:20 brian-desktop kernel: [ 7348.911765] type=1503 audit(1256655920.058:62): operation="open" pid=4530 parent=4529 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=0 ouid=0 name="/sys/devices/system/cpu/"
[15:06] <brianV> any idea why?
[15:06] <BluesKaj> Memphisau, try the power settings
[15:06] <petsounds> tarzan : im not really sure but im using eee pc 1000he
[15:07] <tarzan> petsounds: do a pastebin of lspci and lsusb please
[15:07] <BluesKaj> er sorry petsounds , power settings
[15:07] <petsounds> tarzan : and how?
[15:08] <petsounds> BluesKaj : power management? no options for wifi there's only about AC Power and battery power :9
[15:08] <tarzan> open a terminal, type lspci <enter>, open pastebin.com, copy text to pastebin.com, type lsusb <enter>, copy text to pastebin.com, click send on pastebin.com, copy the url, paste it here
[15:09] <BluesKaj> ok, some laptops have the wifi module linked to power management
[15:10] <petsounds> tarzan : http://pastebin.com/m7547f9bb
[15:11] <BluesKaj> petsounds, which network manager ?
[15:12] <BluesKaj> isn't there an option to use ethernet with wifi disabled in network manager?
[15:12] <petsounds> BluesKaj : auto eth0
[15:12] <tarzan> petsounds: are you sure your wireless is on / your wireless card is ok?
[15:12] <om26er1> any develpopment new about LUBI.
[15:13] <petsounds> tarzan : yes the wifi lights is on.
[15:13] <BluesKaj> that's normally the way it works , the wifi is turned off when ethernet is connected'
[15:13] <BluesKaj> that just the internet light
[15:14] <fabrice_sp> Hi. I've just installed Karmic on a system with LVM, and all LVM partitions appears individually in Nautilus. Is there a way to desactivate that?
[15:14] <sunshinepants> anyone have any issues with their numlock recently?  as in not working within a gnome session?
[15:15] <tarzan> sunshinepants: works here
[15:15] <sunshinepants> nuts
[15:15] <om26er1> sunshinepants: works fine
[15:15] <graingert> are the ubuntu partner repositories on karmic down?
[15:16] <petsounds> BluesKaj : and how can i enabling fn+f2 key? i read on the web that i need to change the kernel into sth like array kernel. and i dont want to.
[15:18] <Memphisau> hey, does anyone know why my /dev/usb directory isn't being creating. also lsusb turns up nothing beyond the root usb hubs, despite the fact I am using my USB mouse on it fine
[15:19] <graingert> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/Release.gpg  Could not connect to archive.canonical.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>), connection timed out
[15:23] <BluesKaj> petsounds, I think it's just your internet connection light that you are thinking is the wifi light , it works on both
[15:24] <lucamm> anyone installed  ubuntu-netbook en karmic?
[15:24] <lucamm> hi
[15:24] <Jeruvy> lucamm: just ask your question :)
[15:25] <om26er1> lucamm: yes ask the q
[15:25] <petsounds> BluesKaj : ok i see and one more thing java applets is freezing, already post the question yesterday but have no answer, maybe u can help?
[15:25] <lucamm> how uninstall this package?
[15:26] <draconis> jure: use volwheel or an alternate mixer app
[15:26] <om26er1> jure: yes?
[15:26] <lucamm> becouse i use compiz
[15:26] <BluesKaj> petsounds, make sure you have (k)ubuntu-restricted-extras installed , dunno if you are gnome or kde
[15:27] <Jeruvy> lucamm: 'sudo apt-get remove <package>'
[15:27] <draconis> jure: I thought the issue was not having a volume applet
[15:27] <lucamm> and gtk-window-decorator no functionally
[15:27] <om26er1> i have a problem, installing ubuntu-restricted-extras install ttf-msfonts-installer and that makes the fonts of google chrome ugly
[15:27] <blueglasses> anyone knows if boxee has repositories for karmic?
[15:27] <lucamm> yes i unistall this package
[15:27] <jure> draconis, om26er1: yes, that's the issue
[15:27] <lucamm> but compiz is buggy :S
[15:28] <om26er1> lucamm: no its not
[15:28] <steveccc> hi all - is 9.10 a dramatic improvement over the last version or just a little bit of tidying and polish?
[15:28] <EagleScreen> many improvements for me
[15:28] <petsounds> im on ubuntu NBR karmic, i already install ubuntu restricted extras and install sun-java6-plugin like it said on the web. everytime i wanna upload photos on facebook/myspace there's only grey box.
[15:29] <szilvi> hi :)
[15:29] <arthas_dk> anyone knows about the improvements of DeviceKit?
[15:29] <EagleScreen> petsounds: using amd64?
[15:29] <steveccc> just working out whether worth upgrading or wait for the next long life version
[15:29] <szilvi> could anyone help me apply a .patch?
[15:29] <draconis> well, gdm just regressed in features
[15:29] <om26er1> steveccc: i say its far improved for acer aspire one
[15:29] <petsounds> BluesKaj : im on ubuntu NBR karmic, i already install ubuntu restricted extras and install sun-java6-plugin like it said on the web. everytime i wanna upload photos on facebook/myspace there's only grey box.
[15:29] <lucamm> desktop-switcher where is in karmic???
[15:29] <lucamm> ?
[15:29] <Italian_Plumber> what are the minimum specs for karmic?
[15:29] <steveccc> om26er1: when you say that do you mean interface or more speel
[15:29] <steveccc> speed even
[15:29] <blueglasses> !karmic
[15:29] <petsounds> EagleScreen : no, intel atom.
[15:29] <BluesKaj> petsounds, how did you install java , from the repos or source
[15:29] <mbeierl> draconis: I tend to agree about feature regression.  WHat are you hseeing
[15:30] <om26er1> steveccc: better drivers and better interface as compiz works great even no problem with video playback, faster boot, responsive apps
[15:30] <szilvi> did anyone get around the cursor theme issue?
[15:30] <szilvi> i have compiz installed and I think it's not letting me change the theme
[15:30] <petsounds> BluesKaj : from the repos. and i test sudo-apt-get install sun-java6-jre. it has the newest version
[15:31] <om26er1> petsounds: which browser
[15:31] <draconis> mbeierl: well, all features regressed are due to gnome
[15:31] <blueglasses> steveccc, here karmic takes more time to boot than jaunty
[15:31] <petsounds> om26er1 : from firefox, opera, to chrome. thats all the same :(
[15:31] <EagleScreen> Kubuntu 9.10 is great
[15:32] <mbeierl> draconis: ah.  sorry - I was thinking primarily of gdm greeter which has issues with twinview displays now...
[15:32] <jure> draconis, i have two 9.10 installations - one's a standard desktop, the other a netbook remix. there IS a volume applet on the netbook remix version, so why would i settle with an alternative for the desktop version?
[15:32] <szilvi> does anyone have chrome installed on ubuntu? where can i get it?
[15:32] <blueglasses> have you check out the new gnome?
[15:32] <om26er1> petsounds: which page you are trying to open
[15:32] <blueglasses> szilvi, you can get it from google repositories or medibuntu
[15:32] <szilvi> thx
[15:33] <draconis> mbeierl: well, I just switched to XDM, which is far more usable
[15:33] <joaopinto> there is a ppa for chrome, you don't need medibuntu
[15:33] <szilvi> and about compiz not letting me change the cursor theme... anyone knows a workaround?
[15:33] <petsounds> om26er1 : uploading photos on facebook and myspace. and yesterday someone from the channel give me a link which i forgot. i think it's for testing java. and firefox are freezing when i open that site
[15:33] <om26er1> szilvi: change the cursor theme and then reboot and see it will change
[15:34] <draconis> jure: well, settle with an alternative because it's BETTER. Gnome is not infallible law
[15:34] <Memphisau> karmic seems to be fairly broken for me
[15:34] <Memphisau> USB isn't working properly currently
[15:34] <draconis> they can't write a DM, they can't write a volume manager...
[15:34] <blueglasses> anyone using google wave here?
[15:34] <Memphisau> but that may be a result of the multiple upgrades i've done to get it from hardy->intrepid->jaunty and most recently to karmic
[15:35] <szilvi> it didn't
[15:35] <szilvi> i tried that already
[15:35] <BluesKaj> petsounds, try sun-java6-bin
[15:35] <szilvi> :(
[15:36] <petsounds> BluesKaj : sun-java6-bin is already the newest version. sun-java6-bin set to manually installed.
[15:36] <jure> draconis, i get your point, all i'm saying is - if it works on one computer, why can't it work on the other, if the version number is the same? maybe some packages were removed? i remember apt removing empathy after an update and it reinstalled just fine. maybe it removed some packages related to sound this time?
[15:37] <Memphisau> might give amd64 a go on this trouble computer, reinstall
[15:37] <Memphisau> not too much to lose I guess
[15:37] <draconis> jure: are you running Pulseaudio?
[15:37] <jure> draconis, how would i know that?
[15:37] <draconis> jure: ps aux|grep pulse
[15:38] <mbeierl> jure: sorry - to which volume control are you referring, as on my karmic laptop (gnome, 64bit) there is a volume control widget (or applet or?) in the notification area the allows me to control the volume
[15:38] <jure> draconis: then i am running it, yes.
[15:38] <jure> mbeierl. i'm referring to exactly that volume control.
[15:38] <mbeierl> and your is missing on ubuntu gnome, but not from nbr
[15:39] <jure> yes, exactly.
[15:39] <jure> and so are sound preferences.
[15:39] <EagleScreen> petsounds: do you have sun-java6-plugin?
[15:39] <draconis> well, gnome-volume-control should work. the mixer applet doesn't
[15:40] <petsounds> EagleScreen : yes
[15:40]  * Hillshum thinks that Karmic is having trouble properly scaling his cpu to manage haet
[15:40] <Hillshum> *heat
[15:41] <jure> draconis, mbeierl: ah. i removed gnome-media. because i wanted to remove the sound recorder, and it took the rest with it. that's it.
[15:41] <jure> you know, i really hate these all-or-nothing packages.
[15:41] <steveccc> whats the best virtual machine for 9.10?
[15:42] <mbeierl> jure: oh!  Ok.  The one thing that I noticed was that the volume control only allowed me to manage the master volume, no double-click to get all the other mixers, and for a moment thought that might have been it...
[15:42] <om26er> irssi looks like a cool client
[15:42] <arthas_dk> Anyone knows about samba+kerberos+ldap integration on this version?
[15:43] <joaopinto> !best | steveccc
[15:43] <szilvi> did someone get chrome installed... native linux chrome?
[15:43] <szilvi> chromium is an emulator (or sthing like that)
[15:43] <joaopinto> szilvi, yes, there's a PPA for it
[15:43] <joaopinto> erm
[15:43] <joaopinto> wait
[15:43] <blueglasses> szilvi, check out this link: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-chromium-google-chrome-web-browser-in-ubuntu.html
[15:43] <joaopinto> I was talking about google chrome
[15:43] <Hillshum> szilvi: No, Chromium is native
[15:44] <joaopinto> chromium is the native google chrome for linux
[15:44] <szilvi> Run Windows applications like MS Office in Linux
[15:44] <szilvi> CrossOver Chromium makes it possible to use Windows applications such as Microsoft Office, Quicken, and Lotus Notes on Linux.
[15:44] <szilvi> this is the description
[15:44] <joaopinto> szilvi, that's CrossOver Chromium, not Chromium
[15:44] <szilvi> ah.. ok.. sorry :)
[15:45] <Hillshum> And even that's technically not an emulator
[15:45] <arthas_dk> Anyone knows about samba+kerberos+ldap integration on this version?
[15:45] <joaopinto> szilvi, https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa
[15:45] <joaopinto> arthas_dk, repeating will not help
[15:46] <slipshot> anyone having any trouble with alsa sound being off at boot in 9.10?
[15:47] <om26er> no
[15:47] <joaopinto> you mean, the mixer getting some sound levels to 0 after reboot ?
[15:47] <slipshot> yeah the sound is off and i have to turn it on and back up
[15:48] <blueglasses> slipshot, I do have trouble, but with sound changes on app start: too loud
[15:48] <joaopinto> I have the issue randomly but only for the mic
[15:48] <joaopinto> sound is not the strongest point of karmic for me :P
[15:48] <slipshot> i tried alsactl store o  but it dont work
[15:48] <om26er> my mic dont work if i change volume
[15:49] <blueglasses> slipshot, some apps, like skype or pidgin, sound gets impossible to set, due to lack of app on config pannel when not making a sound
[15:51] <slipshot> Home directory /home/slipshot not ours. <--- i get that when i try the alsactl store command
[15:52] <mzz> how'd you manage that?
[15:52] <mzz> what does "ls -ld /home/slipshot" give you?
[15:52] <slipshot> i done a install from a ubuntu minimal and added the lxde desktop
[15:53] <om26er> slipshot, so u made lubuntu
[15:53] <cov> So networkmanager is still broken for wpa2 certificate authentication.  Anyone know anything about what's wrong or if this bug (#447145) is actually getting looked at?
[15:54] <slipshot> drwxr-xr-x 33 slipshot slipshot 4096 2009-10-27 11:35 /home/slipshot
[15:54]  * mzz frowns
[15:54] <mzz> slipshot: I wonder why alsactl is complaining then, unless it's actually running as root
[15:54] <slipshot> i think it is some kinda bug
[15:57] <slipshot> got a clue how to fix it?
[15:57] <mzz> well, I don't run alsactl by hand, and I don't see anything obviously wrong with your homedir.
[15:58] <mzz> my guess is you're actually running it through sudo and it's not liking $HOME not being root's
[16:00] <slipshot> alsactl: save_state:1530: Cannot open /var/lib/alsa/asound.state for writing: Permission denied
[16:00] <slipshot> i get that without sudo
[16:08] <Flynsarmy> Trying to install the 9.10 RC...nautilus crashed 80% in but the installers still going.......is this a common issue?
[16:09] <radicaljoe> I just downloaded 9.10 netbook remix.  I can't figure out why  anyone would want a menu that takes up a whole netbook screen.
[16:12] <om26er> radicaljoe, i
[16:12] <mzz> I find myself usually using alt+f2 to start stuff
[16:12] <mzz> (on a regular gnome ubuntu)
[16:14]  * Martyn is miffed
[16:14] <Martyn> we're just a couple days away from the release, and we've got -major- bugs still left in Karmic
[16:14] <om26er> Martyn, all t bugs can never be fixed
[16:14] <ponting> there is a problem in kubuntu 9.1 .beta ..: before copying a file in flash or any media it doesn't ckecks the available space ..and in last..it says can't coppy disc is full..it must be fixed
[16:14] <Martyn> the php zlib bug that affects wordpress (zlib.so isn't found, and there's no gzopen) is going to affect a whole lot of people who use ubuntu-server
[16:15] <Martyn> om26er: Yes, but some bugs .. especially ones affecting major packages (like the glibc error in Jaunty that prevented many people from upgrading the Gimp) should be critical enough to delay releases.
[16:15] <Jimmio> Hey all
[16:16] <Jimmio> Is there a reason "Creating user..." is taking forever>
[16:16] <Jimmio> ?*
[16:16] <Martyn> ponting: I'm afraid that's Working As Designed(tm)
[16:16] <Jimmio> Is it safe to press the Skip button?
[16:16] <mzz> Jimmio: what, during install?
[16:16] <Jimmio> mzz: Yeah, right now.
[16:16] <mzz> Jimmio: that sounds like a bad idea, because without a user how are you going to log in?
[16:16] <Martyn> ponting: It's not as much a "bug" as an "enhancement request"  .. it never checks space before copying.
[16:16] <Jimmio> mzz: Harddrive activity light is flashing repeatedly very quickly.
[16:17]  * mzz wishes people would ask fewer silly questions
[16:17] <Martyn> ponting : Feel free to file it as a blueprint though, and see if you can get some developers behind it.
[16:17] <mzz> Jimmio: I'm assuming you're asking because it actually *is* taking forever, so apparently there's a reason it takes forever
[16:17] <Jimmio> mzz: I skipped stuff in install in an emulator and it did it on reboot.
[16:17] <mzz> Jimmio: you need at least one user account, because the root account is off by default, so without one regular account you can't log in to add accounts later
[16:18] <Jimmio> mzz: I think it's broken though x.x
[16:18] <mzz> Jimmio: and I haven't seen this problem, and would be looking at logs or running a system monitor to see what's taking so long
[16:18] <mzz> call me elitist but I'd expect people in #ubuntu+1 to try that kind of stuff
[16:19] <Jimmio> Where's the logs for the installer? I've never had to look.
[16:19]  * mzz is probably just a bit grumpy for no good reason
[16:19] <mzz> /var/log/installer/ looks pretty promising
[16:20] <Jimmio> It finished.
[16:20] <ponting> Martyn: i thought if  it can be solved.
[16:20] <Jimmio> Ahah!
[16:20] <Jimmio> It's because of me wanting my home dir encrypted!
[16:20] <mzz> that didn't take that long here
[16:21] <Jimmio> It took a long time here... something to do with 256 GB partition?
[16:21] <Jimmio> be right back, all
[16:22] <astrojp> I still can't understand why the terminal will not let me 'Crtl-C' or 'Ctrl-D' out of the terminal without not work without having to forcing (killing) the process. Every since 9.04 it's been that way.
[16:23] <omgxorz> Does anyone have experience with setting up a bluetooth Apple Wireless Keyboard?
[16:24] <frozenfoxx> Okay, I just have a quick question before I get started, does anyone in this room currently feel like giving some advice on Distro choice of 9.10 types for a Eee 1101HA?
[16:24] <AlDoug> I am using Karmic Beta Desktop , and I can't install the LAMP stack. Anyone have any ideas?
[16:24] <frozenfoxx> Nobody in #ubuntu or ##linux wanted to help, so I figured I'd ask if anyone's up to it here before boring you.
[16:25] <Pici> AlDoug: Do you get an error when you try? What command are you using to install?
[16:25] <BluesKaj> frozenfoxx, depends on what your preferences are
[16:26] <AlDoug> sudo tasksel install lamp-server
[16:26] <frozenfoxx> BluesKaj: Thank you, that's all I ask.
[16:26] <AlDoug> Error 100
[16:27] <Pici> AlDoug: Have you done an apt-get update since installing?
[16:27] <frozenfoxx> The system has that POS GMA500 graphics chip so I understand up front that I'll have to do some working around to get that functional, but I'm wondering if full-blown Ubuntu, Ubuntu NBR, full-blown KUBUNTU, or Kubuntu NBR would offer me the most functionality out of the box
[16:27] <AlDoug> on file 19
[16:27] <hanasaki> any known issues with memtest on boot for koala?  its in my boot menu on grub 2 however the image is not found when I select it...
[16:27] <AlDoug> I did last week I think.
[16:27] <frozenfoxx> Key functionality is the ethernet driver working, preferably the wifi working, and if at all possible as little pain as possible getting the GMA chip working in 2D (mandatory), 3D (very nice, but not required)
[16:28] <Pici> AlDoug: Can you pastebin the exact thing that the error says?
[16:28] <frozenfoxx> I'm also having some trouble finding out from anyone if using 9.10 is best or if, for some reason, I should be using 9.04
[16:28] <AlDoug> tasksel: aptitude failed (100)
[16:28] <joaopinto> frozenfoxx, that is user specific, it depends on your needs
[16:29] <frozenfoxx> joaopinto: I was more meaning that it seems like some people are recommending 9.04 because there's no support for certain parts of the hardware in 9.10?
[16:29] <frozenfoxx> But I didn't think that's how the distro moved forward (dropping hardware functionality that is)
[16:29] <BluesKaj> frozenfoxx, functionality seems tobe the fav word but it doesn't tell me what you do on your machine , what graphics card are you runing and for what you use your machine , work , home or both both ?
[16:29] <apparle> how to install karmic from USB
[16:29] <Martyn> AlDoug: Confirmed -- I also get error 100 downloading file 19
[16:29] <Hillshum> frozenfoxx: NOt intentionally anyway
[16:30] <AlDoug> Pici: at first I though it was because I had Synaptic PM running, but I closed that
[16:30] <AlDoug> Martyn: interesting
[16:30] <Martyn> Pici : That's all it says .. I belive that is the equivalent of "file not found in repository" when tasksel hits a 404
[16:30] <joaopinto> frozenfoxx, I am not awarey of hw support being dropped on 9.10, however any upgrade has the potential risk of regressions
[16:30] <frozenfoxx> BluesKaj: The graphics chip was described earlier (the GMA 500), I also listed out extensively what capabilities were paramount (2D graphics, 3D would be nice, and networking has to work)...what more did you want?
[16:30] <Martyn> AlDoug: Try this first .. I just did it and succeeded- -- aptitude safe-upgrade
[16:31] <frozenfoxx> joaopinto: Roger, that's what I needed to know
[16:31] <joaopinto> frozenfoxx, and that is not usually related to the distro per si, it's related to the kernel, or to vendor drivers, like ona specific version ATI decided to drop support for some models
[16:31] <AlDoug> Martyn: OK, I don't have time to run it now, but I will later tonight I think.
[16:32] <joaopinto> and the disto can't froze in software versions just because some vendor decides to not support their customers :)
[16:32] <frozenfoxx> joaopinto: Roger.  The reason I ask about distro is because I know I've seen differences in support between Kubuntu and Ubuntu in the past, I didn't know if the NBR was supposed to be just a new interface with the same backend or if it, also, would have diverging packages providing different levels of hardware support
[16:32] <BluesKaj> time for my daily walk ...BBL .. frozenfoxx . looks like you're in good hands to help with your questions
[16:33] <frozenfoxx> BluesKaj: Thank you, have a good walk
[16:33] <joaopinto> froze, afaik NBR is just a metapackage
[16:33] <froze> karmic w/ ATI X300: installed RC and desktops effects worked, after system update and several apt-gets of preferred packages + restart, desktop effects not available. Any ideas?
[16:33] <joaopinto> ops, frozenfoxx
[16:34] <froze> np :)
[16:34] <frozenfoxx> joaopinto: No problem, I saw it.  Thank you, that clears up NBR for me
[16:34] <AlDoug> Martyn: You think it will work after the upgrade?
[16:35] <froze> tried installing radeonhd xserver package, but that dindn't work either :-/
[16:36] <froze> keeps telling me no driver available??? if it works on install - how is that possible
[16:36] <th1_> radeon always craps out better use nvidia ;)
[16:37] <froze> riiight, I'll just apt-get install nvidia-videocard :-P
[16:38] <newbuntu> in karmic, aplay doesn't find my soundcard, but it is visible in lspci.  how do i get it working?
[16:39] <froze> anyideas on what actually kills it? If I  livecd boot and check the xorg logs for differnces is that all I should look for?
[16:40] <Hillshum> newbuntu: what does cat /proc/asound/cards give you?
[16:41] <newbuntu> Hillshum: "no soundcards"
[16:42] <Hillshum> You'll need to get the drivers to see the card then
[16:42] <marijus> does msn audio/video also work crossplatform in empathy?
[16:43] <newbuntu> Hillshum: in jaunty it ran with riptide, which shows that it is still in modules in karmic
[16:44] <Pici> alexis_: Done?
[16:44] <newbuntu> Hillshum: how do i verify that it loaded?
[16:45] <Hillshum> lsmod
[16:46] <hanasaki> the linux-virtual image does not seem to have isofs yet iso9660 shows in the config as a module.. how do I get cd support?
[16:47] <newbuntu> it's not loading - is there a way to force it and see if the card is detected?
[16:50] <philsf> I upgraded to karmic, and now emacs's fonts are huge. How or where can I set it to the default size?
[16:50] <philsf> BTW, it only seem to affect emacs23, not emacs22
[16:53] <ikt> where is ubuntu party channel
[16:56] <mzz> philsf: hardly surprising, since the font backend in 23 is very different. I forgot what the preferred way of changing font size is, try asking #emacs (what I have in my .emacs is probably not the right way to do it)
[16:56] <skreech> OK What's up with the hard drive?
[16:56] <skreech> Wht can't I mount it?
[16:57] <mzz> because it's in my computer, and you don't have access to it :P
[16:57] <skreech> No I took out my hard drive and put it elsewhere and it asked for a password to mount it?
[16:58] <skreech> I was never asked to supply it a password. What password is it asking for?
[16:58] <mzz> and it's not just asking for the currently logged in user's password?
[16:59] <xenon_karmic> where can i get the source for desktop-notifications which appear in top right corner?
[16:59] <skreech> I don' think so I supplied that password as well as the password for the main user on my hard drive and neither worked
[16:59] <AlDoug> I am getting a lot of not found packages while doing my safe upgrade.
[16:59] <skreech> apt-get source ?
[16:59] <xenon_karmic> what is that called?
[16:59] <mzz> skreech: so what happens if you try to mount by hand (using "sudo mount /dev/whatevertherightpartitionis /mnt")?
[17:00] <mzz> skreech: you mean for the daemon responsible for actually drawing them, or for some app that requests that daemon to display a particular notification?
[17:00] <mzz> err, s/skreech/xenon_karmic/
[17:00] <mzz> xenon_karmic: you probably mean "apt-get source notify-osd"
[17:01] <xenon_karmic> ok
[17:01] <xenon_karmic> and the daemon?
[17:01] <mzz> that is the daemon
[17:01] <SIRprise> how can i create a second su? i need that because i access the printer port directly and don't want to type sudo every time
[17:01] <xenon_karmic> ok :)
[17:01] <skreech> SIRprise: A what?
[17:01] <mzz> xenon_karmic: if that's not the source you want please rephrase your question
[17:02] <skreech> Oh anyone where using kubuntu ?
[17:02] <skreech> mzz: I'm actually not sure I had other hard drives in the system and they would mount properly without fuss
[17:02] <xenon_karmic> basically i want to change settings for notify-osd ..
[17:02] <SIRprise> skreech: i use avrdude to program my avr with the parallel port and that is used in an eclipse script
[17:02] <xenon_karmic> i think has many bugs ryt now
[17:03] <mzz> skreech: I don't know what the exact logic is for when you need to supply a password and when not (I suspect it depends on the filesystem and/or device type)
[17:03] <skreech> mzz: has something changed for KK that makes them require new parameters to be mounted by an older LInux kernel?
[17:03] <skreech> SIRprise: Right so what is the second su for?
[17:03] <SIRprise> skreech: last time i started eclipse with sudo but than i have a workspace in root-home
[17:03] <mzz> skreech: think about it, being able to mount a partition with setuid root apps on it without giving the root password would be a security risk
[17:04] <SIRprise> skreech: i want to have a second user which already have rights to access the ports low-level
[17:04] <skreech> mzz: I guess so but it did it for a pure data partition as well
[17:04] <skreech> SIRprise: right so enable the root user
[17:04] <skreech> !root | SIRprise
[17:04] <mzz> skreech: yes, but it can't tell those apart without actually mounting them. I'm guessing that to mount something with a proper linux filesystem on it you need to supply a password
[17:05] <skreech> Funky
[17:05] <mzz> SIRprise: I'd muck around with the permissions on the device so you don't need root to access it
[17:05] <skreech> ok I'll take that under consideration L)
[17:05] <mzz> SIRprise: you should be able to do that via custom udev rules if you need to apply it permanently.
[17:05] <SIRprise> skreech: thx, but i thought i create a new user which does not have network-connection and an own home-folder
[17:05] <skreech> SIRprise: You can do that as well
[17:06] <SIRprise> mzz: how can i change the permissions of printer port?
[17:06] <mzz> SIRprise: chmod/chown, if you're in a hurry (but that's not permanent)
[17:06] <mzz> SIRprise: dig into udev rules for a more permanent solution, or check if they're already owned and writable by a useful group you can just add the desired user to
[17:07] <SIRprise> mzz: ok, thank you, i will try that
[17:08] <genii> Why not add yourself to the lp (line printer) group
[17:08] <mzz> that'd be the kind of group that might already have write access to the port, yes.
[17:09] <timber> can you tell me if syndaemon isn't working on karmic?
[17:09] <mzz> (I don't have a printer hooked up to my ubuntu system, so I can't check)
[17:09] <mzz> !doesntwork | timber
[17:09] <timber> !doesntwork syndaemon
[17:10] <timber> mzz: how i use this?
[17:10] <mzz> I was hoping for something a little more specific than "syndaemon"
[17:10] <timber> syndaemon disable tapping on touchpad while typing
[17:11] <mzz> yes, that's what it does
[17:11] <timber> on jaunty it worked fine
[17:11] <genii> timber: syndaemon does work, but only if your pad is using the synaptics driver and not being recognised as some generic mouse
[17:11] <mzz> timber: that's supposed to be a feature. Feel free to turn it off if you don't like it (system -> preferences -> mouse -> touchpad -> disable touchpad while typing)
[17:11] <timber> genii: so do i have to install the synaptics driver?
[17:11] <mzz> timber: the synaptics driver is installed and normally used by default. The behavior you describe is supposed to be a feature.
[17:12] <timber> mzz: this option is checked and there's nothing disabled
[17:12] <mzz> err
[17:12] <mzz>  < timber> syndaemon disable tapping on touchpad while typing
[17:12] <ponting_> in ubuntu 9.1 will that problme of ntfs mounting  will be solved?
[17:12] <mzz> did you mean "syndaemon should be disabling tapping on the touchpad while typing, but it doesn't", or "syndaemon is disabling tapping on touchpad while typing, and that's my problem"?
[17:13] <Memphisau> what problem?
[17:13] <timber> mzz:  "syndaemon should be disabling tapping on the touchpad while typing, but it doesn't"
[17:13] <mzz> ah
[17:14] <mzz> timber: I guess I'd start by hunting down the delay it's using
[17:15] <mzz> and/or running it by hand to see if it's logging anything
[17:15] <mzz> ponting_: I'm pretty sure you'll still be able to mount ntfs partitions in ubuntu 9.10, like you could in 9.04. I'm not sure what this ubuntu 9.1 you speak of is, I'm assuming it's a typo :P
[17:15] <frybye> what to do when win7 fax+scan cannot see a fax modem that otherwise appears to be installed and responds to diagnosis commands etc...?
[17:16] <genii> timber: Is package: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics    installed?
[17:16] <mzz> frybye: this is #ubuntu+1, not ##windows :P
[17:16] <frybye> sorry - my mistake...
[17:16] <skreech> frybye: That's bug #1 we are working on it
[17:17] <skreech> Anyone using Kubuntu?
[17:17] <timber> genii: yes, it is.
[17:17] <frybye> skreech: yeah - I agree largly - silly thing is the damn thing worked fine with the RC of win7 but not now with the rtm ah well... (my netbook has karmic!)
[17:18] <skreech> timber: it turns up in the device manager then ask in ##windows. If it doesn't then upgrade the netbook to your primary machine :)
[17:19] <timber> skreech: ?
[17:22] <jonne> is there a way to assign multiple keyboard shortcuts to the same action in gnome's keyboard shortcuts thing?
[17:23] <jonne> i want to add a hotkey for 'next track', but it's already configured to use XF86AudioNext (which is the keycode my remote uses)
[17:23] <genii> timber: the synaptics manpage has an example xorg.conf stanza which could be used, you need to know the /dev name of your current pad however
[17:24] <timber> genii: how can i know the name?
[17:24] <mzz> jonne: I don't think so (I don't think the underlying gconf storage supports multiple keys)
[17:24] <mzz> timber: the /dev/input/by-id/ or /dev/input/by-path/ names should be stable
[17:25] <jonne> well, that sucks
[17:25] <jonne> i switched to banshee from amarok
[17:25] <worufu> hy guys
[17:25] <jonne> amarok had its own global shortcut thing, so that was perfect
[17:25] <worufu> my koala does not like the nvidia 185 driver
[17:25] <worufu> it causes my system to freeze during boot
[17:25] <mzz> jonne: of course I could be wrong (for example your media player might listen for things like XF86AudioNext no matter what)
[17:25] <kahen> i'm thinking about reinstalling when karmic comes out. i want to move to having a separate /home partition and stuff... what's the recommended size of / (i.e. everything but /home)?
[17:26] <worufu> anybody experiencing something similar?
[17:26] <mzz> kahen: a couple of GB usually suffices. The number of GB depends completely on how much stuff you end up installing.
[17:26] <jonne> that is a good suggestion, mzz
[17:26] <bjsnider> worufu, what graphics card?
[17:26] <worufu> bjsnider: nVidia Corporation C68 [GeForce 7050 PV / nForce 630a] (rev a2)
[17:26] <kahen> mzz: got 6.4GB in /usr right now. i tend to install a LOT of .*doc packages
[17:27] <Italian_Plumber> anyone testing Karmic with 128MB RAM?
[17:27] <worufu> bjsnider: 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G73 [GeForce 7600 GS] (rev a1)
[17:27] <mzz> kahen: yeah, du -sh-ing your current /usr and /var is a good way to guesstimate the right size
[17:27] <kahen> i'm thinking 10GB should probably be ok
[17:27] <worufu> hm... strange
[17:27] <bjsnider> wofmore likely it's your nforce chipset
[17:27] <AlDoug> Martyn: Pici: I was able to do the upgrade, but installing the LAMP package still doesn't work.
[17:27] <mzz> kahen: just make sure you do take /var into account too, not just /usr. The other toplevel dirs should be much smaller than those two.
[17:27] <kahen> 128MB RAM... it'll probably run, but not in any way that i'd call "well"
[17:28] <kahen> mzz: well. there's always sudo apt-cache clean
[17:28] <jonne> damn, didn't work
[17:28] <Italian_Plumber> I am and so far the CD is not booting
[17:28] <worufu> bjsnider: now I was confused... obviously the onboard card is nvidia too
[17:28] <mzz> kahen: sure, but it's still inconvenient, if only for things like a distribution upgrade
[17:28] <billybigrigger> everyone still have a bunch of PA packages being held back?
[17:28] <worufu> bjsnider: the 7600 is an additional card
[17:28] <bjsnider> worufu, your mobo chipset is an nvidia nforce as well
[17:28] <Italian_Plumber> I had a white ubuntu logo in the middle of the screen for a rleally long time, now the screen is blank
[17:28] <mzz> billybigrigger: please be more specific
[17:29] <kahen> right... need like... 2-3GB free for dist-upgrade iirc
[17:29] <bjsnider> worufu, not well supported on linux
[17:29] <billybigrigger> http://pastebin.ca/1645375
[17:29] <worufu> bjsnider: don't want to use the mobo graphics chip anyways... maybe I can disable it in the bios
[17:29]  * mzz wonders if there's a convenient way to force a fetch of all installed packages (to "seed" his apt-cacher-ng proxy)
[17:29] <billybigrigger> ^^^ these packages have been held back for me for over a week
[17:29] <i_is_broke> is there anyway to b.s. a xorg-conf setup?
[17:30] <billybigrigger> same as the ubuntu-desktop package
[17:30] <mzz> billybigrigger: can you pastebin "apt-cache policy libpulse0"?
[17:30] <billybigrigger> umm no
[17:30] <billybigrigger> :P
[17:30] <worufu> bjsnider: and I have to check if maybe the output switches to the mobo card.... there is no screen attached to it
[17:30] <billybigrigger> yeah i can hold on
[17:31] <billybigrigger> but maybe i shouldn't be complaining as sound is flawless here....
[17:31] <billybigrigger> haha
[17:31] <mzz> bah, I usually make comments like that to other people :P
[17:31] <worufu> bjsnider: thanks so far... going to reboot and check again
[17:31] <exiton> notify doesn't show messages without 3d effects just a white area wiht stripes. can i change that?
[17:31] <i_is_broke> im having some minor issues with my sis onboard graphics and the only way it says in google is to make changes to the xorg config file.any one got any ideas?
[17:31] <billybigrigger> libpulse0:
[17:31] <billybigrigger>   Installed: 1:0.9.19-0ubuntu2
[17:31] <billybigrigger>   Candidate: 1:0.9.19-0ubuntu4
[17:31] <billybigrigger> :(
[17:31] <genii> timber: grep /dev/input /var/log/Xorg.0.log     and look for a mouse device
[17:32] <genii> timber: Apologies on lag, work requires me
[17:32] <billybigrigger> mzz, how does it feel being on the wrong end of those comments? bahaha
[17:32] <dtchen> billybigrigger: unless you like broken suspend/resume, it's a good idea to update to 0ubuntu4
[17:32] <mzz> billybigrigger: mmm, odd.
[17:32] <billybigrigger> dtchen, aptitude won't update them
[17:32] <dtchen> billybigrigger: use 'why'
[17:33] <billybigrigger> $ sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade has been holding those back for over a week
[17:33] <mzz> billybigrigger: not sure what's up with that, and (unfortunately) not sure yet how to get it to give you more information.
[17:33] <timber> (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event10"
[17:33] <timber> (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event8"
[17:33] <timber> (**) Acer CrystalEye webcam: Device: "/dev/input/event7"
[17:33] <timber> (**) Power Button: Device: "/dev/input/event2"
[17:33] <timber> (**) Power Button: Device: "/dev/input/event0"
[17:33] <timber> (**) Sleep Button: Device: "/dev/input/event3"
[17:33] <timber> (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Device: "/dev/input/event5"
[17:33] <timber> (**) Video Bus: Device: "/dev/input/event6"
[17:33] <timber> (**) Macintosh mouse button emulation: Device: "/dev/input/event4"
[17:33] <mzz> billybigrigger: it's possible a forced "apt-get install libpulse0" will give more information.
[17:33] <timber> genii: the last is the correct?
[17:33]  * billybigrigger sips coffee and watches genii work :P
[17:33] <mzz> timber: don't do that, and don't assume /dev/input/eventN names are stable
[17:33] <Hillshum> timber: Please use paste.ubuntu.com
[17:34] <mzz> timber: find the /dev/input/by-id/ or /dev/input/by-path/ symlink that points at that eventN device and use that one
[17:34] <timber> genii: don't worry about the lag
[17:34] <timber> sorry everybody
[17:35] <mzz> timber: also, "mouse button emulation" isn't your mouse
[17:35] <mzz> (your mouse isn't in that list)
[17:35] <mzz> (unless it's event10 or event8)
[17:35] <timber> mzz: platform-i8042-serio-4-event-mouse
[17:35] <mzz> that sounds about right
[17:36] <timber> mzz: and this platform-i8042-serio-4-mouse
[17:36] <mzz> timber: the two are *not* interchangable. I forgot which the synaptics driver wants.
[17:36] <drbobb> hey something weird's up w/my karmic, it used to hibernate or suspend just fine, now all of a sudden it doesn't anymore - and I don't think i did anything to change that
[17:37] <drbobb> choosing suspend or hibernate from the menu just locks the screen, no further action happens
[17:37] <genii> timber: Yes, event4
[17:37] <timber> genii: what i have to do now?
[17:37] <mzz> err, what?
[17:38] <billybigrigger> dtchen, i don't use suspend/resume so it's not that big of a deal :P
[17:39] <mzz> genii, timber: what are you trying to do again? "macintosh mouse button emulation" really isn't the mouse device, at least not here
[17:40] <mzz> platform-i7042-serio-4-event-mouse should be, though (I'd expect that to point at ../eventN with N not being 4)
[17:40] <timber> mzz, genii: i'm don't understanding what is this
[17:40] <mzz> drbobb: I haven't had to debug that under ubuntu yet, but I'd start by looking at dmesg
[17:40] <ikt> keyserver down for anyone else?
[17:41] <dtchen> billybigrigger: well, I'd still use 0ubuntu4, because I backed out a broken change
[17:41] <mzz> timber: I lost track of what you're doing now, but if it has to do with a mouse or touchpad you can usually ignore that "emulation" thing
[17:41] <thiebaude> ikt: no, but its slow
[17:41] <timber> mzz: ok
[17:41] <thiebaude> as expected
[17:41] <ikt> :(
[17:41] <mzz> I know my apt-get update is being strangely slow
[17:42] <ikt> I guess my 1000 hops away is triggering it to timeout for me
[17:43] <aurolac> anyone using MSI Wind?
[17:43] <thiebaude> ikt: im doing my last 9.10 alternate cd today
[17:43] <aurolac> usb is still borked
[17:43] <timber> mzz: let me ask a question....the syndaemon disable *all* tapping, since small and soft tapping to harder tapping? because when i type with one hand and the other make a hard tap the click occurs.
[17:43] <aurolac> cam or usb sticks dont work
[17:43] <billybigrigger> dtchen, apt-get why or apt-cache why, shows nothing, what the hell is the why argument associated to again???
[17:43] <billybigrigger> dtchen, haven't used why in ages
[17:43] <mzz> timber: I disabled that feature because it makes no sense for me, so I'm not sure
[17:43] <G_A_C> mzz: my update was slow earlier too, I put it down to people wanting to "beat the rush" by grabbing the RC a day before release and assuming that it's going to be almost identical to final
[17:43] <drbobb> mzz: yep already looked at dmesg, nothing there
[17:43] <timber> mzz: and while i type, the pointer disappears, and this is the normal behavior
[17:43] <ikt> gpg: keyserver timed out
[17:43] <ikt> gpg: keyserver receive failed: keyserver error
[17:44] <ikt> *crys*
[17:44] <thiebaude> G_A_C: yea i still have the Oct 21 alternate
[17:44] <mzz> ikt: I'd try a different keyserver (many keyservers mirror each other)
[17:44] <genii> timber: I think mzz may is right that event4 device is the button only.
[17:45] <mzz> I'm pretty sure event4 isn't your touchpad, and I wouldn't expect pointing the synaptics driver at it to do anything particularly useful
[17:45] <timber> genii: ok, but do you know if what i said to mzz  is correct?
[17:45] <ikt> sorry for a quite noobish question but where do I find a list of different keyservers?
[17:45] <mzz> timber: while you type where the pointer disappears?
[17:45] <ikt> of the*
[17:45] <mzz> ikt: try subkeys.pgp.net iirc
[17:46] <drbobb> mzz: just tried to invoke suspend again, seems nothing at all appeared in the system logs
[17:46] <ikt> cheers
[17:47] <timber> mzz: the pointer just disappears, only the marker for the word like '|' appears....then when i stop typing the pointer came where he was
[17:47] <mzz> drbobb: fishy, but I don't know how to debug it. I guess ~/.xsession-errors might have something.
[17:47] <drbobb> mzz: looked also at /var/log/{messages,kern.log,debug}
[17:47] <mzz> timber: some apps do that, that's not necessarily a syndaemon thing
[17:47] <exiton> how can i fix the notifications? they only work with 3d effects
[17:47] <mzz> exiton: they work for me in metacity
[17:47] <timber> mzz: i was using gedit
[17:48] <ikt> YES! it worked! cheers again mzz :D
[17:48] <mzz> timber: yep, gedit seems to be hiding the mouse cursor (I don't run syndaemon)
[17:48] <exiton> mzz: without 3d effects there is only a white area with stripes
[17:48] <mzz> exiton: in gnome? I'm not seeing that.
[17:49] <exiton> mzz: gnome and fluxbox
[17:49] <mzz> no compiz or other compositing manager here.
[17:49] <drbobb> uhh choosing suspend from the menu that pops up when i hit the powerbutton has no effect either
[17:50] <genii> mzz: The syndaemon program only works for some dev which uses the synaptics driver, i had this issue another time as the pad gets seen as a mouse and the driver needs to be specified as synaptics in the xorg.conf stanza as shown in the example from the syanptics manpage. The prob gets to be what /dev to use (especially if it's a serial and not usb interface) . apologies again on lag. One sentence is taking several minutes to complete, as work calls me
[17:50] <genii>  away from the computer right now every 30-90 seconds for a minute or 2 each time
[17:50] <exiton> mzz: i don't know, what ever comes with the ubuntu 9.10 update
[17:50] <drbobb> other than locking the screen that is
[17:50] <philsf> I use ecryptfs's encrypted Private dir since jaunty, now I see karmic has support for encrypted Home, but there's no corresponding command for doing this. Am I missing something, or is it only offered for new installs?
[17:51] <timber> mzz: hmm, that's ok, i'll try to take care when type again
[17:51] <steveh> I remember using the official Jaunty CD and having it blow away everything on my drive.  There was another distro of ubuntu, but I can't remember what it was called.  Anyone got a better rememberrer??
[17:51] <thiebaude> steveh: kiwilinux
[17:52] <mzz> genii: did you actually check if that's the problem timber has?
[17:52] <mzz> exiton: I'm not sure what's up with that, other than possibly your video card driver doing something weird
[17:53] <steveh> ... (sorry, thinko) I mean another distro that loaded ubuntu and just over-wrote the system, without screwing with my loaded apps, etc., unless they needed screwing with, that is.
[17:53] <mzz> philsf: hmm, not sure how you'd set that up for a new user, I just had the installer do it.
[17:53] <exiton> mzz: but it's only the notifycations
[17:53] <thiebaude> steveh: i see what your saying
[17:54] <Dr_Willis> steveh:  im not even sure how it would do that. :)  theres just to much to go wrong.
[17:54] <thiebaude> backups
[17:54] <mzz> philsf: the ecryptfs-utils package might be installing documentation on this somewhere.
[17:54] <Dr_Willis> ive even had issues in the past with kde  and gnome not liking user settings when ive kept /home seperate.
[17:54] <mzz> exiton: well, those windows are a little weird (nonrectangular, for starters)
[17:54] <Dr_Willis> gnome is much better now about that. but i still see it eveery once in a while
[17:55] <Xs3s3> why would installing 9.10 cause blockid issues?
[17:55] <mzz> steveh: it shouldn't overwrite everything, but it'll definitely overwrite a bunch of stuff. I don't know what the list is.
[17:55] <Xs3s3> *causing my system not to boot properly*
[17:55] <mzz> Xs3s3: try being more vague
[17:55] <Xs3s3> mzz, sorry, upgraded last night from 9.04 to 9.10
[17:55] <Xs3s3> now when I boot, it says blkid having trouble waiting for filesystem
[17:56] <Xs3s3> I have edited /etc/fstab it looks right..
[17:56] <Xs3s3> and / gets mounted.... but nothing ever happens
[17:56] <Xs3s3> no x, no gdm. etc
[17:56] <mzz> Xs3s3: how far does it get? If splash is enabled: do you get up to the first splash screen? What's the exact message?
[17:56] <mzz> Xs3s3: can you pastebin fstab?
[17:56] <Xs3s3> I even tried removing UUId in fstab with /dev/ paths
[17:56] <g33k> are there drivers for ATI Technologies Inc Radeon HD 3200 Graphics in karmic?
[17:56] <mzz> Xs3s3: yeah, I was going to recommend that
[17:57] <Xs3s3> mzz, um, i will have to re-type it since that machine is kind of hit
[17:57] <steveh> Dr_Willis: It was an official Canonical distro.
[17:57] <Xs3s3> mzz, i just need to get this drive to boot so I can DD it to my new drive.
[17:57] <woha> bjsnider: hi. nvidia problem is now gone
[17:57] <Xs3s3> but its not working right
[17:57] <woha> bjsnider: switched back to nvidia-glx-173
[17:57] <billybigrigger> dtchen, $ sudo apt-get install libpulse0 pulls in all those left behind packages
[17:58] <Xs3s3> mzz, it ends up with an unknown filesystem error.
[17:58] <billybigrigger> wonder why safe-upgrade was holding them back?
[17:58] <Xs3s3> mzz, and / is mounted read only per my /etc/fstab instructs
[17:58] <billybigrigger> libpulse0:
[17:58] <billybigrigger>   Installed: 1:0.9.19-0ubuntu4
[17:58] <mzz> billybigrigger: curious. I don't know what was up with that either (I've been using plain old apt-get)
[17:58] <mzz> billybigrigger: it's possible it broke something, but I wouldn't know what.
[17:58]  * worufu says goodbye...
[17:59] <billybigrigger> odd
[17:59]  * worufu ...all karmic koala upgrade issues fixed for now
[17:59] <mzz> Xs3s3: err, having "/" ro in fstab is unusual at best
[17:59] <Xs3s3> mzz, its remount read only...
[17:59] <Xs3s3> on errors.
[17:59]  * mzz waits for an fstab pastebin
[17:59] <Xs3s3> mzz, ok. let me go retype that shit.
[17:59] <Memphisau> perhaps not so in embedded devices, having rw might be risky :P
[17:59] <mzz> Xs3s3: shouldn't have to type. Does that system have any kind of network access?
[18:00] <mzz> Xs3s3: usually preferable to boot off a livecd and pastebin the file
[18:00] <Xs3s3> mzz, alright. im burning a live-cd now ...
[18:00] <mzz> err
[18:00] <mzz> Xs3s3: ok, I didn't know you had nothing bootable around :(
[18:01] <Xs3s3> mzz, i know how to use /etc/fstab
[18:01] <Xs3s3> mzz, this is very strange indeed.
[18:01] <mzz> Xs3s3: well, it shouldn't be getting remounted readonly, and I don't see anything blkid-ish triggering that. I do see boot getting rather confused if / is getting remounted readonly halfway through it. Anything suspicious in dmesg (filesystem errors)?
[18:02] <Xs3s3> mzz, let me check.
[18:03] <Xs3s3> mzz, well. it says waiting or /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxxxxxx
[18:03] <billybigrigger> is ubuntu-desktop broken?
[18:03]  * mzz is getting confused though, first it was "blockid issues", then "blkid having trouble waiting for filesystem", then "/ is mounted read only per my /etc/fstab instructs"
[18:03] <billybigrigger> ubuntu-desktop:
[18:03] <billybigrigger>   Installed: 1.171
[18:03] <billybigrigger>   Candidate: 1.175
[18:03] <Xs3s3> mzz, lol, my / gets remounted read only on errors.
[18:04] <mzz> billybigrigger: works for me
[18:04] <Xs3s3> you know ro option
[18:04] <Pici> billybigrigger: so... dist-upgrade then
[18:04] <billybigrigger> mzz which one do you have installed?
[18:04] <mzz> Xs3s3: errors=remount-ro? If that actually triggers you have a serious problem
[18:04] <Xs3s3> mzz, no dmesg errors
[18:04] <billybigrigger> now why on earth would i want to dist-upgrade?
[18:04] <Xs3s3> mzz, yea thats whats going on
[18:04] <mzz> Xs3s3: but it's *also* mounted readonly on boot, and should be getting remounted readwrite later
[18:04] <Pici> billybigrigger: Why would you not want to?
[18:05] <Pici> You should be using dist-upgrade to grab the latest packages.
[18:05] <Xs3s3> mzz, im using 2.6.28-16-server right this second.
[18:05] <mzz> Xs3s3: are you sure that first remount readwrite actually happens? If it's the errors=remount-ro making it readonly again you should be getting information about that in dmesg.
[18:05] <billybigrigger> Pici, since when?
[18:05] <mzz> billybigrigger: 1.175
[18:05] <Pici> billybigrigger: always
[18:05] <Pici> !dist-upgrade
[18:05] <Xs3s3> mzz, it has network, what do you want me to run?
[18:05] <billybigrigger> aptitude safe-upgrade here
[18:05] <Xs3s3> mzz, i will give you ssh access even lol.
[18:05] <Xs3s3> i dont even care
[18:05] <mzz> Xs3s3: well, "pastebinit /etc/fstab" might be useful, as well as "dmesg|pastebinit"
[18:06] <Xs3s3> mzz, ok
[18:06] <Pici> billybigrigger: That means you never want to install a package update if it has additional dependent packages.
[18:06] <Pici> billybigrigger: Which will happen with metapackages such as ubuntu-desktop and the kernel packages from time to time.
[18:06] <billybigrigger> never get a broken system, it works
[18:06] <billybigrigger> :P
[18:06] <billybigrigger> fair enough, i see your point now
[18:06] <Xs3s3> mzz, how do I remount it with read priveledges now?
[18:06] <coz_> hey guys   is libtranslate working on karmic?  it doesnt seem to translate anything here
[18:07] <Xs3s3> mzz, err write
[18:07] <mzz> Pici: according to the manpage aptitude safe-upgrade isn't quite as conservative as never pulling in new packages
[18:07] <mzz> Xs3s3: I'd start by looking for scary errors at the bottom of dmesg
[18:07] <BluesKaj> Pici, billybigrigger , one can always use the full-upgrade command if needed
[18:07] <mzz> Xs3s3: if there aren't any then yes, I'd just "mount -o remount,rw /" by hand
[18:07] <Xs3s3> mzz, i really dont have any it says stuff about my wifi, my nvidia card. etc
[18:08] <SnakDoc_> is there a way to change xsplash position on screen or which screen it shows on with dual monitors ?
[18:08] <Pici> mzz: looks like you're right, but it seems it will never remove packages.  The confusion is usually around whether dist-upgrade/full-upgrade brings you to the next release of Ubuntu or not.
[18:09] <Xs3s3> mzz, ok ill get it on a live cd in a minute
[18:10] <mzz> Pici: you're almost certainly correct about needing dist-upgrade when running ubuntu+1 though (I know I needed to remove a package or two recently)
[18:11] <Xs3s3> mzz, ok that worked a charm
[18:11] <Xs3s3> mzz, installing pastebinit now
[18:12] <mzz> Xs3s3: if you're on grub 2 (you should be) you might want to pastebin /boot/grub/grub.cfg too
[18:12] <Xs3s3> mzz, http://pastebin.com/f3c7e817b
[18:12] <Xs3s3> mzz, ok
[18:13]  * mzz considers filing a bug on pastebinit to change the default pastebin
[18:13] <mzz> Xs3s3: what's that last line doing there?
[18:13] <Xs3s3> mzz, i got a new harddrive coming sometime today and all i want to do is be able to dd a bootable drive.
[18:13] <drbobb> what's the iBus daemon, and associated iBus preferences, for?
[18:14] <Xs3s3> mzz, must have left it their last time i edited it, but I have removed it before with no luck, same events occur
[18:14] <mzz> drbobb: "apt-cache show ibus" said it has to do with input methods (think inputting non-latin languages)
[18:14] <Xs3s3> mzz, thats the swap uuid
[18:15] <mzz> Xs3s3: having a stray uuid in there like that isn't sane, although I don't know how it'd fail, if at all
[18:15] <Xs3s3> mzz, ok.
[18:16] <Xs3s3> mzz, do you mean menu.lst for grub ?
[18:17] <mzz> Xs3s3: grub 2 has grub.cfg
[18:17] <Xs3s3> mzz, its not in /boot/grub ?
[18:17] <mzz> Xs3s3: grub prints its version to the top of the screen at boot time. You should be getting grub 2.
[18:17] <mzz> Xs3s3: it's possible grub 2 wasn't installed for some reason (I didn't upgrade)
[18:17] <mzz> in that case yes, pastebin menu.lst instead
[18:17] <Xs3s3> mzz, LOL yea it never installe
[18:18] <sikor_sxe> uhm, i just did an upgrade in ubuntu 9.10 rc, now the machine refuses to boot, did this happen to anyone?
[18:18]  * mzz wants a factoid like "doesntwork" for "refuses"
[18:18] <mzz> !refuses
[18:18] <Xs3s3> sikor_sxe, me
[18:19] <sikor_sxe> Xs3s3: "error 24: attempt..."?
[18:19] <mzz> ah, now we're getting somewhere
[18:19] <Xs3s3> sikor_sxe, nope
[18:19] <mzz> sikor_sxe: that's grub 1, not 2, right?
[18:20] <sikor_sxe> i have no idea :/
[18:20] <sikor_sxe> the look didn't change from grub1
[18:20] <sikor_sxe> how can i tell?
[18:20] <Xs3s3> mzz, http://pastebin.com/f18e85e55
[18:21] <mzz> sikor_sxe: weird, I wonder how you managed that. I'd force a reinstall of grub, in case you're getting an old stage1.5 that doesn't handle ext4 properly (is an ext4 filesystem involved?)
[18:21] <sikor_sxe> mzz: yes
[18:21] <sikor_sxe> the / fs is ext4
[18:22] <mzz> sikor_sxe: or upgrade to grub 2 while you're at it
[18:23] <reagleBRKLN> i have an old dell desktop running Hardy with a working ndiswrapped PCI wireless card. Upgrading to subsequent releases has been impossible. Recently, I got further by learning I had to blacklist module  rtl8580. However, I still can't get wpa_supplicant to work, I have the same interfaces and conf file I have on hardy, but no go. Has anything changed?
[18:23] <mzz> sikor_sxe: (to upgrade: boot off a livecd, mount partitions and chroot in, apt-get install grub-pc, grub-install /dev/sda (or whatever the right drive is)
[18:23] <djm62> is there a workaround for the "ubuntuOne doesn't work unless NM is online, and NM doesn't work with my network adapter, so ubuntuOne refuses to connect" problem?
[18:23] <mzz> sikor_sxe: (I think, at least, I haven't actually done this from scratch)
[18:24] <sikor_sxe> mzz: ok i was thinking about that
[18:24] <Xs3s3> mzz, grub 2 is chainloading now, but it always ends in same message of waiting for /dev/disk/uuid
[18:24] <mzz> Xs3s3: what's the uuid it's complaining about? Does it match the one in grub.cfg?
[18:24] <sikor_sxe> grub-pc is grup 2.0?
[18:24] <Xs3s3> mzz, i changed grub.cfg to /dev/sda1
[18:25] <mzz> sikor_sxe: yep
[18:25] <Xs3s3> mzz, it did, but it did not work
[18:25] <mzz> Xs3s3: is that stray uuid still in /etc/fstab?
[18:25] <Xs3s3> mzz, no
[18:25] <mzz> Xs3s3: what's the exact message? Perhaps grep through /etc for the uuid from the message?
[18:26] <Xs3s3> mzz, how do I get rid of uuid completely?
[18:26] <mzz> personally I don't care much about uuids (but I use lvm, so I have fewer reasons to want to use uuids), so I'd hunt down where it's getting the uuid from and tell it to stop caring
[18:26] <mzz> it's getting it from *somewhere*, and some basic grepping might tell you where
[18:26] <Xs3s3> mzz, im on a live-cd now
[18:26] <Xs3s3> what command should I run
[18:27] <Xs3s3> mzz, its not like my disks change to where I need to use UUID,....
[18:27] <mzz> that depends on if you remember the uuid from the error message, and if you actually booted regularly since removing that stray uuid from /etc/fstab and modifying grub.cfg
[18:27] <mzz> yeah, same here
[18:28] <mzz> because I can actually imagine mountall hanging like that if you have that stray uuid in /etc/fstab (what was that doing there anyway?)
[18:28] <Xs3s3> mzz, ok im on the live-cd what do you want me to look for?
[18:28] <ik3> im getting this error:  Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A); when i try to configure iwconfig (network-manager does work though) any ideas?
[18:28] <mzz> if you know the uuid it was complaining about: "grep -r /mnt/etc partofthatuuid" (or wherever the actual system's /etc ended up)
[18:29] <mzz> ik3: why are you trying to use iwconfig? A couple of wireless drivers are moving away from it (try the "iw" tool instead)
[18:30]  * mzz discovers there's a pretty lame domainsquatterish page on linux-wireless.org (the right site is linuxwireless.org)
[18:34] <Xs3s3> mzz, ok hold on live-cd funky, getting on hd
[18:35] <Xs3s3> mzz, ebf1386a-d2a0-4023-996d-3574660e
[18:35] <Xs3s3>  is what it says its waiting for
[18:38] <mzz> Xs3s3: ok, so grep through /etc/ for that
[18:38] <mzz> Xs3s3: (and confirm it's not in /proc/cmdline)
[18:38] <chaos2fu> anyone else having problem with nvidia x server?
[18:39] <Xs3s3> mzz, how do I grep?
[18:39] <Xs3s3> mzz, sorry, not that much of an expert. just a user lol.
[18:39] <chaos2fu> Im using the VGA-output but when i restart the computer it wont start..
[18:42] <Xs3s3> mzz grep ebf13 /etc/ returns nothing
[18:42] <mzz> odd
[18:42] <mzz> chaos2fu: I think I heard a few people say they had to downgrade the driver for some reason
[18:42] <benjamim> hey guys, after yesterday updates, the sound on my Karmic 64bits stop working
[18:42]  * mzz doesn't have an nvidia card and didn't pay much attention
[18:43] <benjamim> I'm using a Intel ICH8
[18:43] <benjamim> any sugestions ?
[18:43] <chaos2fu> ok mzz..
[18:43] <VXxed> Does anybody here know anything about possible acpi issues?
[18:43] <mzz> Xs3s3: was that grep ebf13 /etc or grep -r ebf13 /etc?
[18:43] <benjamim> yep, chaos i tried install Backport alsa modules
[18:43] <benjamim> but i doesn't work
[18:44] <ik3> chaos2fu, do u try to install the "recommend" driver on system/Administration/hardware drivers?
[18:44] <chaos2fu> ik3 nop i havent..
[18:45] <CrocoJet> someone is getting to work webcam (amsn, skype, etc) with new kernel 2.6.31 ?
[18:45] <chaos2fu> ik3 sorry correction, i have version 185 for nvidia!
[18:45] <adelie42> question: If you add several mirrors to your sources.list, are each of the files requested on the download distributed across those servers, or does it grab each file one at a time?
[18:45] <domjohnson> Hello
[18:46] <CrocoJet> hello
[18:46] <CrocoJet> whats up?
[18:46] <domjohnson> :)
[18:46] <domjohnson> I just installed 9.10 rc (fresh install) along with, of course, grub...
[18:46] <cdE|Woozy> does the totem youtube plugin work for anyone? I'm getting input/output error when I try to play a youtube video
[18:46]  * mzz tries
[18:46] <CrocoJet> domjohnson, and how is going?
[18:46] <ik3> chaos2fu, how do u install that driver? remember ubuntu its mean to be easy so just try the option that comes with it, i have that same driver installed via "hardware driver" and works fine
[18:47] <domjohnson> My problem is that it no longer shows either of the operating systems on my computer
[18:47] <adelie42> CrocoJet: The new video for linux 2 drivers for web cams are not included in karmic. Just recently recompiled my kernel with them and getting much better performance than whatever is being included in RC1
[18:47] <domjohnson> It doesn't show windows or crunchbang
[18:47] <CrocoJet> domjohnson, wow .. sounds bad
[18:47] <apparle_> has the support for the problematic intel chipsets improved in karmic..... and is UXA the default acc method of xorg
[18:47] <mzz> domjohnson: try rerunning update-grub2
[18:48] <mzz> domjohnson: I think I had to do that post-install, not sure why
[18:48] <domjohnson> ok
[18:48] <VXxed> So should I take that as a no..?
[18:48] <Jimmio> Yay! Karmic is perfect except two issues. One: All the keys on my keyboard are STILL not supported... Two: When an audio application first starts there's an audible click
[18:48] <CrocoJet> adelie42, oh ok, thanks for information
[18:48] <chaos2fu> ik3 i installed it with the original installation of 9.04.. since then i havent touched it! but in the update to 9.10 it updated the x server?
[18:48] <domjohnson> Ok
[18:48] <domjohnson> will try rebooting now
[18:48] <domjohnson> brb
[18:48] <mzz> cdE|Woozy: fails differently (general supporting library error)
[18:48] <Xs3s3> mzz, im lost on this one
[18:49] <Xs3s3> mzz, can I just make you an ssh acct lol
[18:49] <mzz> Xs3s3: did you run "grep ebf13 /etc" (which doesn't do anything useful) or "grep -r ebf13 /etc"?
[18:49] <apparle_> has the support for the problematic intel chipsets improved in karmic..... and is UXA the default acc method of xorg
[18:49] <Xs3s3> mzz, -r and it only found the one in /etc/fstab
[18:49] <mzz> Xs3s3: which I asked you to remove, because I suspect it'd cause mountall to fail exactly like this
[18:49] <CrocoJet> adelie42, any reason to do not include drivers for webcams?
[18:50]  * mzz must not be phrasing this clearly
[18:50] <Jimmio> Are there any settings for the new messages applet? It now only displays one message and it's 100px or so from the top bar and rather annoying.
[18:50] <Xs3s3> mzz, i did remove the stray, only the uuid for swap remains
[18:50] <mzz> Xs3s3: comment out that line and reboot (you may have to "mount -o remount,rw /" to be able to edit fstab)
[18:50] <mzz> err
[18:50] <Xs3s3> Xs3s3, what should I have in /etc/fstab
[18:51] <ik3> chaos2fu, install envyng-qt, run it in terminal first uninstall the driver, reboot, and install it again with this same app
[18:51] <adelie42> CrocoJet: I think it is just that they are ahead of the development cycle. They were also beta drivers, so those need to be tested, finalized, then packaged and all that good stuff which will hopefully be completed by 10.04 I'll guess
[18:51] <mzz> Xs3s3: I don't see any uuid for swap in you pastebinned fstab
[18:51] <ik3> that should work
[18:51] <Xs3s3> mzz, um, it just booted
[18:51] <domjohnson> Worked a charm!
[18:51] <sikor_sxe> mzz: using chroot and bootcd i installed grub-pc, choosed chainloading, but then i get "Error 13: invalid or unsupported executable format." :/
[18:51] <Xs3s3> mzz, i dont know how, but it did
[18:51] <domjohnson> Cheeres!
[18:51] <mzz> sikor_sxe: when?
[18:51] <CrocoJet> adelie42, ok, :)
[18:51] <sikor_sxe> mzz: after i select grub2 from the grub1 menu
[18:52] <domjohnson> Xs3s3, try running update-grub2
[18:52] <domjohnson> :)
[18:52] <adelie42> CrocoJet: remember, nothing new and no upgrades for any software within the last two months before a release because they want to make sure everything actually works
[18:52] <mzz> Xs3s3: did this involve waiting? Iirc there's a timeout on that message.
[18:52] <domjohnson> lol
[18:52] <Xs3s3> mzz, i booted using the last kernel before the upgrade
[18:52] <mzz> sikor_sxe: pastebin menu.lst?
[18:52] <CrocoJet> adelie42, ok, I hope
[18:52] <adelie42> CrocoJet: sorry I can't remember the site, but the directions on how to get it installed were very simple
[18:52] <mzz> Xs3s3: I've now lost track of what state you're in. You'll have to re-explain if there's a problem left.
[18:52] <CrocoJet> adelie42, dont worry, thanks
[18:52] <sikor_sxe> mzz: should i try to install grub2 to mbr?
[18:53] <mzz> sikor_sxe: I would
[18:53] <Xs3s3> mzz, i think domjohnson just solved it.
[18:53] <mzz> Xs3s3: how?
[18:53] <Xs3s3> mzz, update-grub2
[18:53] <mzz> err, weird
[18:53] <domjohnson> lol
[18:53]  * mzz wonders if the grub.cfg he looked at was being ignored
[18:53] <blizzkid> lo all. I'm trying to et my scanner working. sane-find-scanner lists my usb webcam and my usb scanner. same for scanimage -L, but when I try to scan with xsane (after selecting the scanner), I get an error "failed to set value of option br-x". Any ideas on how to solve this?
[18:54] <Jaymac> does anyone know how to change the default app that opens upon insertion of an ipod?
[18:54] <adelie42> If I have two mirrors of the same repository in my sources.list, will it try to distribute the downloads between them? I am noticing the US servers are being hit really hard.
[18:54] <domjohnson> I can't believe i've solved 2 problems in the last 2 days!
[18:54] <domjohnson> :P
[18:54] <Xs3s3> LOL
[18:54] <mzz> Jaymac: open a random nautilus window and go to edit -> preferences -> rightmost tab (I think it's "media")
[18:54] <Jaymac> it automatically opens banshee, but now that banshee doesn't pick up ipods i have had to siwtch back to rhythmbox
[18:54] <Xs3s3> domjohnson, i just spent forever and a year.
[18:54] <Jaymac> mzz, cool thanks
[18:54] <Xs3s3> actually
[18:54] <Xs3s3> if I boot the pae- kernel
[18:54] <Jaymac> mzz, hero :)
[18:54] <Xs3s3> it still does not work.
[18:55] <Xs3s3> but the old server kernel does.
[18:55] <mzz> Xs3s3: fun! compared the grub entries for both?
[18:55] <domjohnson> ohhh
[18:55] <domjohnson> Did i just give advice to someone using a server?
[18:55] <domjohnson> Yikes...
[18:55] <domjohnson> lo.l
[18:55] <Xs3s3> mzz, in grub.cfg
[18:55] <mzz> Xs3s3: in grub.cfg *assuming* you get grub 2 (check the version number at the top of the grub menu)
[18:55] <mzz> domjohnson: meh, servers are just computers too
[18:56] <domjohnson> lol
[18:56] <domjohnson> Yeah, but i could kill Google!
[18:56]  * domjohnson smiles evilly
[18:56] <domjohnson> evily?
[18:56] <maxb> Is there any easy way to get back madwifi on Karmic? My hardware really doesn't like ath5k.
[18:57] <domjohnson> The new software center is awesome
[18:57] <domjohnson> :)
[18:57] <mzz> huh, the nl mirror seems to be suffering a bit too
[18:57] <domjohnson> hello faemir
[18:57] <mzz> and that's two days before release, that's going to be painful :(
[18:57]  * maxb is very thankful to live in London
[18:58] <mzz> well, it's not like london is far away network-wise, so I could use its mirror
[18:58] <mzz> I just doubt it'd help
[18:58] <blizzkid> mzz: I hardly ever use Belgian mirror, but prefer Sweden for speed
[18:58] <mzz> perhaps I'll just switch to an nl mirror that isn't as obvious as nl.archive.ubuntu.com
[18:58]  * poningru wonders when ubuntu is going to throw its weight behind apt-torrent
[18:58] <blizzkid> although I am in Belgium
[18:58] <faemir> Hi, i'm on karmic and my fonts are messed up, I get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/303018/
[18:58] <maxb> It amuses me that occasionally gb.archive is more up to date that archive.
[18:58] <maxb> *than
[18:59] <poningru> heh
[18:59] <sikor_sxe> mzz: update-from-legacy grub made it work
[18:59] <sikor_sxe> thx
[18:59] <mzz> hum
[18:59] <mzz> faemir: can you pastebin your /usr/share/perl/5.10/File/Copy.pm ? It reads as if that file got corrupted somehow.
[18:59] <ponting> can u suggest best mirror for india ..in.archive.ubuntu is too slow..
[19:00] <daf_> I want to do a minimal install of karmic. is there a minimal image. I can't seem to find it.
[19:00] <maxb> A CD is pretty minimal for an OS these days
[19:00] <Pici> !repomirror | ponting
[19:00] <daf_> lol... no I want a barebones install
[19:00] <Xs3s3> mzz, ok its booted on pae, kernel.
[19:00] <Xs3s3> mzz, good to go im guessing.
[19:00] <mzz> faemir: or force a reinstall of the package owning that file
[19:01] <poningru> daf_, you mean just a server install?
[19:01] <maxb> I don't think Ubuntu has any analogue to Debian's netinst
[19:01] <daf_> ponigru... well for jaunty for example there is actually an image called minimal
[19:01] <Pici> daf_: Its not released yet, so this is probably the RC, but you'll want mini.iso in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[19:02] <maxb> oh, wow, there is one
[19:02] <Xs3s3> mzz, whats the update grub from legacy command?
[19:02] <faemir> mzz, http://paste.ubuntu.com/303021/
[19:02] <mzz> Xs3s3: I don't know, I didn't. Probably what sikor_sxe just said though.
[19:02] <daf_> Pici ... thanks.... I'm looking for the amd64
[19:03] <Pici> daf_: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[19:04] <kaddi> hi, I need help with grub and my 2 windows installations (since karmic is running fine :p ). Somehow my google-skills arent at their best today. :/ I have XP and Win7 installed and want to use grub as a bootloader, but I can't get this to work. I've got one entry for XP which takes me to the windows bootmanager (which I would like to get rid of) and one entry for win7, which is identical to winxp except that i adapted the partition number. When I select win7
[19:04] <kaddi> I get an error message
[19:04] <daf_> Thanks Pici
[19:04] <daf_> so oct 17 is the latest image I take it.
[19:04] <daf_> is there a daily somewhere?
[19:04] <daf_> I guess it won't really matter.
[19:06] <m0ar> I'm having slight trouble with some apps closing themselves without warning.. For now only Quod Libet, skype 2.1beta and wine-steam have done it. Any ideas?
[19:06] <Mohero> just wanted to say - big thanks for whoever decided to bring back the PPC version! you are my saviour!
[19:06] <mzz> faemir: yeah, a bogus "`" somehow ended up in there (around line 235). I'd apt-get install --reinstall perl-modules.
[19:06] <Mohero> well, as long as it installs.... - it's nearly there :)
[19:07] <mzz> m0ar: anything interesting in either ~/.xsession-errors or dmesg (since segfaults show up in dmesg these days)?
[19:07] <mzz> faemir: (I'd also run a hd check, like fsck and/or smartctl -t long, in case something's wrong at that level)
[19:08] <faemir> mzz, cheers, that worked.
[19:08] <m0ar> mzz: I don't recall even touching these, what are they?
[19:08] <mzz> m0ar: logfiles :)
[19:08] <mzz> well, not really a "file" for dmesg, but still
[19:08] <yoasif> im getting segfaults when opening firefox
[19:08] <domjohnson> Oh, damn
[19:08] <yoasif> any ideas?
[19:08] <domjohnson> I have no sound!
[19:08] <faemir> domjohnson, me neither: )
[19:09] <yoasif> i completely removed it and reinstalled it
[19:09] <yoasif> no dice
[19:09] <domjohnson> This was the main reason why i did a fresh install
[19:09] <domjohnson> :@
[19:09] <domjohnson> Yoasif
[19:09] <domjohnson> try installing another web browser
[19:09] <yoasif> domjohnson, hey
[19:09] <domjohnson> See if that works
[19:09] <yoasif> domjohnson, but i want to run firefox
[19:09] <yoasif> heh
[19:09] <yoasif> swiftfox works
[19:09] <domjohnson> Swiftfox?
[19:09] <yoasif> i want to run firefox though
[19:09] <domjohnson> Is it 3.5?
[19:10] <faemir> it's a custom compiled version for the particular processor you use
[19:10] <domjohnson> Ok
[19:10] <yoasif> http://getswiftfox.com/ not in repos
[19:10] <domjohnson> Do you not like swiftfox?
[19:10] <faemir> another problem I have is that my notifications are apparently in the wrong place unless this is deliberate http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/123683/Screenshot.png
[19:10] <yoasif> it's not about that -- firefox does not work
[19:10] <yoasif> this is a problem
[19:10] <yoasif> heh
[19:10] <domjohnson> (I'm just buying time while someone tells you how to do it. I'm a linux noob :))
[19:11] <faemir> yoasif, just an idea, have you tried getting the static build of firefox from mozilla.com ?
[19:11] <yoasif> faemir, also works
[19:11] <yoasif> the one from the ubuntu repos does not work
[19:12] <coz_> can any one else confirm that libtranslate is not working?
[19:12] <mbeierl> faemir: that is apparently deliberate.  Check what happens when you increase volume/brightness or change network state.  The notification appears in the "space" above the notification shown in your screenshot
[19:12] <coz_> nevernind
[19:13] <domjohnson> So...will our sound problem be fixed in the final, faemir?
[19:14] <faemir> mbeierl, a-ha, thanks :)
[19:14] <knarfix> hi
[19:14] <faemir> domjohnson, I don't know, what soundcard are you using? I'm on a soundblaster audigy
[19:14] <yoasif> is there a mozillateam irc chan?
[19:14] <mbeierl> faemir: welcome ;)
[19:14] <domjohnson> Just a built in one for the motherboard
[19:14] <faemir> domjohnson, ah :( have you checked that everything is up and not muted in alsamixer?
[19:14] <domjohnson> No, just got it
[19:14] <domjohnson> 'sec
[19:15] <knarfix> hi, how do i find out what graphic card the pc has?
[19:15] <domjohnson> Got it working
[19:15] <domjohnson> lol
[19:15] <domjohnson> thanks faemir!
[19:16] <faemir> domjohnson, now to fix mine D:
[19:16] <Lint01> after recent update both my mouse and keyboard stopped working. what the fuck?
[19:17] <Pici> Lint01: Please mind your language here.
[19:17] <kubuntuser> knarfix: why do you need to know what graphics card you have? I would use lshw
[19:17] <domjohnson> hmm....try running dmesg?
[19:17] <faemir> yay it worked
[19:17] <domjohnson> Lint01 - indeed.
[19:17] <faemir> and killed my eardrums in the process
[19:17] <domjohnson> What worked?
[19:17] <faemir> my sound
[19:17] <domjohnson> Oh...how?
[19:17] <domjohnson> Sound control?
[19:18] <faemir> changed the profile to digital stereo duplex
[19:18] <domjohnson> ok
[19:18] <domjohnson> :)
[19:18] <faemir> though I would like my 5.1 support preferably
[19:18] <domjohnson> Yeah...
[19:18] <knarfix> kubuntuuser: wanter to see if i can get a driver for it........composit does not work...i get a distorted screen when i enable it in gconf editor
[19:18] <domjohnson> Try installing Jackctl
[19:18] <domjohnson> no
[19:18] <domjohnson> sorry
[19:18] <domjohnson> Qjackctl
[19:18] <domjohnson> And starting that
[19:18] <kubuntuser> knarfix: did you try the restricted drivers manager?
[19:19] <domjohnson> You will have to close firefox and other web drivers and media players first, though
[19:19] <mykola> so... anyone know how to stop modules from being loaded on boot in Karmic? Blacklisting doesn't work :(
[19:19] <TheSeeker1> Hi.  Any tricks to fixing the slow internet connection with 9.10 rc?
[19:19] <kubuntuser> knarfix: http://www.michaellarabel.com/index.php?k=blog&i=114
[19:19] <faemir> domjohnson, okay started, now what?
[19:19] <domjohnson> Oooh cool! You can mute individual applications now!
[19:19] <knarfix> kubuntuuser: no not yet....will do it now :)
[19:19] <mykola> domjohnson: O.o
[19:19] <domjohnson> Hang on...you downloaded and installed it and started it in that time?
[19:20] <domjohnson> Damn i can't remember...
[19:20] <faemir> sudo aptitude install qjackctl, alt+f2 qjackctl :P
[19:20] <domjohnson> System has 6 outputs
[19:20] <domjohnson> So thats for surround, but...umm....
[19:20] <domjohnson> Sorry...
[19:20] <knarfix> kubuntuser: thanks :)
[19:20] <kubuntuser> knarfix: I am exremely impressed with (k)ubuntu. The first time I installed it, I needed to use the cli to install the driver
[19:21] <kubuntuser> knarfix: the second time, I used the restricted driver manager and the new xorg safemode
[19:21] <kubuntuser> knarfix: this time, I was not even in safemode :-)
[19:21] <hanasaki> where do I set the gdm look and feel?
[19:21] <domjohnson> Have you tried Gnome, Kubuntuser?
[19:21] <knarfix> kubuntuser: i tried the kubuntu live cd...it did not work....distorted bar at the bottom......
[19:21] <mbeierl> TheSeeker1: what slow internet connection?  Is there a specific known issue on that?
[19:21] <knarfix> now using ubuntu
[19:21] <kubuntuser> domjohnson: I used to use it
[19:22] <mykola> So I actually have this problem in 9.04 and 9.10 . I've got a picky broadcom card which needed it's own custom built kernel module. So I built it and modprobed it with http://www.broadcom.com/docs/linux_sta/README.txt
[19:22] <kubuntuser> knarfix: odd...
[19:22] <kubuntuser> domjohnson: I have switched desktop enviornments as much as distrobutions. I at one point was even using icewm
[19:22] <mykola> but now it won't *stay* loaded when i restart the box. I had Sorcerer and Slackware on this box before, and had no problems with auto loading the driver, but I suppose ubuntu (and possibly debian) uses a different system?
[19:23]  * kubuntuser misses the speed
[19:23] <mykola> it keeps trying to load ssb all the time, though I've added it to a custom blacklist file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-custom.conf
[19:24] <domjohnson> My internet connection is about 3Mbs
[19:24] <domjohnson> So i usually  get a download speed of about 100KB/s
[19:24] <TheSeeker1> mbelerl:  When I try to surf with Firefox it just seems sluggish whether it's by wifi or ethernet.
[19:24] <domjohnson> Which SUUCKKKSSS
[19:24] <Italian_Plumber> what's the size of a fresh karmic install?
[19:25] <kubuntuser> Italian_Plumber: I installed a few things and I am using 3.7GB
[19:25] <hanasaki> where do files printed to the PDF cups printer go?
[19:25] <Lint01> why that junk stopped working with my keyboard and mouse?
[19:25] <faemir> don't suppose anyone knows what this id3 tag demuxer is that rhythmbox keeps whining about getting?
[19:25] <kubuntuser> hanasaki: ~/PDF?
[19:26] <hanasaki> kubuntuser:  ya that's what the docs say.. but the test doesn't go there :(
[19:26] <knarfix> kubuntuuser: guess i will have to wait for an update :)
[19:26] <mykola> so... do you think that my problem has anything to do with Ubuntu's new init replacement?
[19:26] <mykola> or maybe I'm just blacklisting wrong :(
[19:27] <mykola> the thing is, right now i have to rmmod ssb, depmod, then modprobe wl and modprobe lib80211 before I want to use my wireless card. it's quite possibly the most annoying thing ever (and I'd rather not write a shell script and run it myself... I'd just like it to load the proper module on boot like it's supposed to)
[19:28] <faemir> also, I can't use my mouse with flash plugin 64bit now, I have to use spacebar to pause.
[19:28] <knarfix> cant find /etc/X11/xorg.conf .....
[19:28] <Italian_Plumber> thanks kubuntususer.  My 8GB HD says its' full.. soemthing esle must be wrong
[19:29] <mykola> knarfix: iirc, ubuntu stopped using one to set up it's default xorg stuff... I think you can make one and change what you need to
[19:29] <kubuntuser> knarfix: I did not believe that file exists anymore
[19:30] <knarfix> i see ok fine.....seems they changed a lot of things....pc is much faster
[19:30] <kubuntuser> Spectrumx: did you test that your internet is working at all?
[19:30] <user_> Hi everybody anybody knows why 9.10 does not recognize ANY usb thing in my netbook?
[19:30] <NiteSnow> Spectrumx, try installing firefox version 3.7
[19:30] <mykola> user_: you in the correct group?
[19:31] <user_> (I also saw another user with this same issue)
[19:31] <Spectrumx> Yeah im using a windows machine right now and its working fine
[19:31] <user_> mykola: in what sense?
[19:31] <mykola> as in user/group permissions sense
[19:31] <kubuntuser> Spectrumx: that was not my question. Is it localized to firefox or the OS?
[19:31] <user_> mykola: I simply upgraded to 9.10
[19:31] <user_> mykola: so what could be happened?
[19:32] <NiteSnow> Spectrumx, windows is alot differnt than Ubuntu GNU/Linux
[19:32] <user_> mykola: what should I do to check?
[19:32] <kubuntuser> Spectrumx: can you ping google in linux?
[19:32] <Spectrumx> I might just be firefox... I can ping the site just fine
[19:32] <rquire> hello I have switched from gnome to KDE... where do I find update-manager?
[19:32] <NiteSnow> Spectrumx, ill pm you
[19:32] <mykola> user_: hmm... try this. go to System>Administration?Users and Groups
[19:32] <user_> mykola are you there?
[19:32] <Lint01> how can I fix my issue with mouse and keyboard?!
[19:32] <TheSeeker1> It's just weird that firefox runs slower on 9.10 than in 9.04.
[19:32] <user_> mykola ok thx
[19:33] <user_> :)
[19:33] <darrend> I cannopt suspend (at all - just blanks the screen) on a Dell M6300.  This worked flawlessly under Jaunty.  Any known issues?
[19:33] <mykola> user_: (was trying to decide if i should give you terminal instructions or graphical ones :D decided on graphical)
[19:33] <kubuntuser> rquire: k menu -> applications -> system -> Software Management
[19:33] <commander_> will 9.10 work seamlessly w/windows 7?
[19:33] <kubuntuser> rquire: or just alt+f2 then type "software management" (no quotes)
[19:34] <mykola> user_: once you are there, highlight your username, click properties, and go to the User Privileges tab
[19:34] <user_> mykola ok hehe :) I check what you said
[19:34] <user_> ok
[19:34] <mykola> user_: is "Access external storage devices automatically" checked?
[19:34] <kubuntuser> commander_: they are completely seperate. They can both be installed on a machine, but not run at the same time
[19:34] <NiteSnow> Spectrumx, check my pm
[19:34] <user_> mykola yes it is
[19:35] <knarfix> TheSeeker1: firefox is real fast now.....maybe you could change .mozilla-firefox to -old and try.....guess some of your addons are creating problems
[19:35] <mykola> user_: ok then. how many hard drives are in your computer? :)
[19:35] <commander_> i know i meant when i get the upgrade will i be able to install 9.10 inside it?
[19:35] <kubuntuser> commander_: however, the beta (at least for me) did not detect windows when I installed. All I had to do was run a command in ubuntu to fix that.
[19:35] <mykola> user_: oh wait... ANY usb thing (not just portable media)
[19:35] <mykola> user_: so, no USB mouse or anything like that?
[19:35] <user_> mykola: just one :) but i connect usb wireless pendrive, printer, and nothing works. they worked before
[19:35] <MaT-dg> is keyserver.ubuntu.com having trouble?
[19:35] <kubuntuser> commander_: you mean wuki or whatever it is called?
[19:35] <commander_> yes
[19:35] <kubuntuser> commander_: wubi*
[19:36] <kubuntuser> commander_: you should be able to, I do not see why not
[19:36] <user_> mykola: yes I mean only usb devices to attach externally
[19:36] <mykola> user_:  hmm... can you stick a pen drive in there and do "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt" for me? :)
[19:36] <user_> yes ok
[19:36] <user_> :)
[19:36] <commander_> ok. i just got to upgrade my HDD from 250gb to 500gb
[19:36] <kubuntuser> user_: plug something in and tell me what happens when you type lsusb in the terminal
[19:37] <TheSeeker1> knarfix:  I don't really have any addons.  It just seems like it has to think about what it's doing before it actually goes to the website.  I just didn't know if it could be my computer or if there is a bug or something.  I've tried live cd, installed it and it's slow even with chromium, Opera etc...
[19:37] <mykola> user_: that one also works (lsusb)
[19:37] <yofel> MaT-dg: if you get timeouts, yes, it's a bit unstable in the las few weeks
[19:38] <dmatt> TheSeeker1: might be trying connection through ipv6 first
[19:38] <mykola> an aside: the time for me right now is 13:37 ... I feel magical
[19:38] <TheSeeker1> dmatt:  how would I change that?  Or is that something that needs to be enabled?
[19:39] <dmatt> search for ipv6 in config:about and change its value
[19:39] <MaT-dg> yofel: yes, trying to add a key in console and getting errors. Also not loading (or veeery slow) in browser
[19:39] <user_> mykola, kubuntuser: oh, right, i can't mount the things bcos are not block devices lol i forgot; however, they are not recognized by the dmesg command. neither by sudo tail -f /var/log/messages neither by lsusb
[19:39] <TheSeeker1> dmatt: what do I change the value to?
[19:40] <mykola> user_: heh. oops. ok then, err... hmm... gunna have to do some research
[19:40] <dmatt> when you click it it changes (i think it's true or false only)
[19:40] <user_> mykola, kubuntuser: seems like upgrading to 9.10 made usb unusable
[19:40] <patcito> hi
[19:40] <patcito> does syncing notes and contacts work with kubuntu and ubuntu one?
[19:40] <user_> mykola tahnks
[19:40] <user_> *thanks
[19:41] <TheSeeker1> dmatt:  do I need to do that also in Chromium or Opera if I choose to use either one of those?
[19:41] <patcito> by notes I mean knotes
[19:41] <kubuntuser> user_: maybe you should submit a bug report? I am going to also try to look up why that would happen
[19:41] <billybigrigger1> hmmm
[19:41] <billybigrigger1> anyone here using opera?
[19:41] <user_> mykola, look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1281046 another user with same issue
[19:41] <nemo> billybigrigger1: too buggy :-/
[19:41] <yofel> MaT-dg: try the mirrors here if you can't get a key http://art.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1273437
[19:42] <dmatt> did it help? it would be best to disable ipv6 completely in your install
[19:42] <bjsnider> opera is not supported by the canonical megacorporation
[19:42] <yofel> billybigrigger1: from time to time...
[19:42] <user_> kubuntuser do you have the same issue then?
[19:42] <mykola> user_: yeah, found a different thread. but you said that the usb device doesn't show in lspci, lsusb, or anything with dmesg?
[19:42] <MaT-dg> yofel: it's ok, it finally loaded in browser and added the key manually. thx :)
[19:42] <TheSeeker1> dmatt:  how would I disable it completely in my install?
[19:42] <mykola> user_: check your BIOS maybe? :)
[19:42] <nemo> billybigrigger1: too buggy, too closed source, too opaque of bug reporting... :-p
[19:42] <user_> mykola yeah right does not show up neither with dmesg or something
[19:42] <mykola> user_: the thread i found http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1250111.html
[19:42] <kubuntuser> user_: I have no issues, but I did a clean install and have different hardware
[19:43] <yofel> nemo: but it has the best IE support *fg*
[19:43] <dmatt> TheSeeker1: sorry, I do not know, try google
[19:43] <user_> mykola, why BOIS? :-? they wrked before i did the upgrade :/
[19:43] <mykola> user_: kubuntuser: Clean installs are definitely easier to work with :)
[19:43] <user_> *worked
[19:43] <user_> :)
[19:43] <TheSeeker1> dmatt:...will do.  Thanks again for your help.
[19:44] <mykola> user_: heh, i know. But if ubuntu doesn't see the USB drives at all (not even a note in dmesg), something is blocking it before it gets to the OS.
[19:44] <kubuntuser> mykola: or it is a driver issue
[19:44] <mykola> user_: maybe try a clean install (back up home) and see what happens?
[19:44] <user_> mykola uhm
[19:44] <mykola> aah wait.
[19:44] <mykola> what kind of netbook do you have?
[19:45] <user_> mykola: msi wind u100
[19:45] <user_> :)
[19:45] <dmatt> TheSeeker1: :) just pointed possibility...
[19:45] <user_> mykola: because it seems strange to me that the bios is blocking anything... i dont think upgrading to 9.10 would touch somthing in the bios...
[19:46] <mykola> user_: there's a known bug about this netbook
[19:46] <user_> :)
[19:46] <mykola> not a bios issue
[19:46] <knarfix> i installed xubuntu-desktop. now when i log off i get the xubuntu login screen. how does one get the ubuntu log in screen back?
[19:46] <user_> ow
[19:46] <user_> :/
[19:46] <mykola> user_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/455408
[19:46] <user_> mykola: yeah thx for link i check
[19:46] <user_> *for the
[19:47] <user_> mykola thanks so much, man
[19:47] <jbeitler> Did 9.10 turn into an LTS? Did I miss something?
[19:47] <ikt> no
[19:47] <kubuntuser> jbeitler: no
[19:47] <ikt> 10.04 will be the next LTS
[19:47] <mykola> user_: heh... thx, tho i did make myself look like a fool :P BIOS issues :P
[19:47] <yofel> jbeitler: it did not, 10.04 will be the next LTS
[19:47] <jbeitler> I didn't think so
[19:47] <ikt> did you read about it on a lifehacker article?
[19:47] <kubuntuser> !helpersnack | mykola
[19:47] <user_> mykola: hehe :) ;)
[19:47] <jbeitler> something like that
[19:47] <mykola> !hug | kubuntuser
[19:48] <mykola> aww
[19:48] <mykola> we need to teach ubottu to love
[19:48] <ikt> !emotionlessbot
[19:48] <mykola> !the_ladies
[19:48] <jbeitler> I just thought maybe I slept through something.. ok I am better
[19:48] <ikt> !cookie
[19:48] <yofel> !me
[19:48] <ikt> lol
[19:48] <mykola> ok
[19:48] <mykola> no more abusing ubottu :P
[19:48] <skreech> Anyone using Kubuntu?
[19:48] <mykola> no... only a fool would use Kubuntu
[19:49] <kubuntuser> skreech: nope. Don't see anyone here
[19:49] <knarfix> lol
[19:49] <skreech> mykola: ubottu is female
[19:49] <user_> hehe funny people, men ;)
[19:49] <kubuntuser> mykola: that hurt
[19:49] <mykola> !cookie | kubuntuser
[19:49] <yofel> skreech: some of us :P
[19:49] <kubuntuser> skreech: we are in the minority
[19:49] <skreech> Can I ask you to test something?
[19:49]  * yofel slaps mykola with a Kubuntu logo ;)
[19:49] <skreech>  it's slightly disruptive though :)
[19:49] <knarfix> skreech: dont worry
[19:49] <mykola> yofel: OW! that thing is spiky :P so many sharp edges
[19:49] <skreech> mykola: Only fools use LInux :)
[19:49]  * user_ was talking about the ubottu thing obviously :)
[19:49] <mykola> anyway... Any help with my module loading problem?
[19:50] <kubuntuser> mykola: what is your problem?
[19:50] <mykola> can't seem to blacklist stuff anymore and I don't know how the new system works :(
[19:50] <skreech> Can You log out and at the KDM choose a failsafe session and try and login
[19:50] <skreech>  See if it kicks you back out to KDM
[19:50] <mykola> kubuntuser: using a custom compiled broadcom driver from their website. But ubuntu won't stop loading ssb (which doesn't work)
[19:50] <knarfix> mykola: been using linux since about 10 years. not an expert. but compared to my windows buddies i have lesser problems :D
[19:51] <mykola> knarfix: ^_^ been a linux user for only 3 years now. Only really use windows to develop a Neverwinter Nights module
[19:51] <user_> skreech, why don't you like linux? what do you use then?
[19:51] <mykola> user_: he's a BeOS user
[19:51] <kubuntuser> mykola: you need to add blacklist ssb to a file in /etc/modprobe.d
[19:52] <user_> ah ok
[19:52] <mykola> kubuntuser: I did. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-custom.conf contains blacklist ssb
[19:52] <skreech> mykola: Haiku!
[19:52] <user_> :)
[19:52] <kh_pylon> how can I get 9.10 to set the permissions on /dev/nvidia* to 664 on start-up?
[19:52] <kubuntuser> mykola: odd...
[19:52] <mykola> skreech: bah. Haiku is for noobs. BeOS is where the real 1337 h4X0rz live
[19:52] <mykola> 'n I'mma stop making myself look a fool now
[19:52] <skreech> In Palm's Software division?
[19:53] <skreech> Hooray and KDE can be ported to Haiku now :)
[19:53] <mykola> kubuntuser: the only thing I can think of is that the new upstart thing that ubuntu has switched to uses a different system
[19:53] <exiton> is there some way i can set the preference for the notifications?
[19:54] <Sensiva> I tried the RC release of Karmic and would like to file few comments (I don't know if they are bugs, or just me stupid as usual)
[19:54] <Sensiva> Any ideas where to file those comments?
[19:54] <mykola> kubuntuser: or maybe I have to chmod it to something wierd? right now it's owned by root:root
[19:54] <mykola> and doesn't have executables
[19:54] <mykola> executable* permissions
[19:54] <kubuntuser> mykola: it does not need +x
[19:54] <skreech> Sensiva: Here
[19:55] <kubuntuser> mykola: and who owns it is irrelavent
[19:55] <Sensiva> skreech sure?
[19:55] <skreech> Anyone using kubuntu can do a 5 minute disruptive test for me?
[19:55] <skreech> Sensiva: We can direct you better after hearinf the comments
[19:55] <mykola> kubuntuser: that's what I thought... so is modprobe skipping over it or something?
[19:56] <mykola> kubuntuser: I've also tried putting a symbolic link to a script i wrote (to automate the entire thing) into /rc.d/rc3.d (named it S99bcomwl) and chmodded it +x
[19:57] <knarfix> going to have a beer. cheers folks :)
[19:57] <lsolesen1> wanted to upgrade to karmic beta, but it cannot fetch some things. Got the following error: http://pastebin.ca/1645546
[19:57] <lsolesen1> Anyone can help?
[19:57] <mykola> kubuntuser: though if ubuntu got rid of init, then i don't think that would ever work
[19:57] <kubuntuser> mykola: init did not fall off the face of the earth. It still implements everything init does :-)
[19:58] <mykola> kubuntuser: cool... though I'm still confused about this issue :(
[19:58] <Sensiva> ok, I tried both Karmic RC LiveCD and alternate clean install, both of them after restart gave me this error "[drm:intelfb_restore] *ERROR* Failed to restore crtc configuration : -22"  this error msg kept scrolling like crazy till I pressed CTRL+ALT+DEL
[19:59] <kubuntuser> mykola: first of all, you put it in rc3.d? not rc2.d?
[19:59] <Sensiva> one more thing, GRUB2 takes about 45 seconds to show the boot list, and about 30 seconds to load the kernel and making the hard drive spin so fast
[20:00] <mykola> kubuntuser: I don't think I should have to put anything into rc.d but yeah. runlevel 3 is what you usually run in ubuntu right? (some are 4)
[20:00] <skreech> Sensiva: Umm ok you have a Motherboard driver issue
[20:00] <mykola> runlevel 2 is singleuser, though I could see why you'd be modprobing stuff in there
[20:00] <skreech> I'm going to bet the Intel bus
[20:00] <kubuntuser> mykola: no, runlevel 2 is normal
[20:00] <mykola> kubuntuser: O.o
[20:00] <kubuntuser> runlevel 1 is single
[20:00] <kubuntuser> 0 is shutdown
[20:01] <mykola> thought runlevel 1 just started everything?
[20:01] <kubuntuser> 6 is reboot
[20:01] <mykola> gah... it's different for every distro :P
[20:01] <skreech> mykola: No it's not
[20:01] <skreech> That's POSIX
[20:01] <mykola> ?
[20:01] <kubuntuser> mykola: runlevel 1 is ALWAYS single
[20:01] <mzz> Sensiva: I'd file a bug with information about your hardware
[20:01] <skreech> it's the same for any UNIX or Linux or Mnix or somethingsomethingx
[20:01] <mykola> CentOS was definitely not set up that way
[20:01] <skreech> mykola: It was and still is
[20:01] <mykola> or maybe I'm going insane
[20:01] <mzz> mykola: the ones in the middle may differ, but the singleuser, reboot and shutdown ones tend to match, afaik.
[20:02] <mykola> i dunno, i definitely forgot half of my Zip Code just last week
[20:02] <skreech> mykola: 0 is shutdown 1 is single user 6 is reboot
[20:02] <skreech> Everytime
[20:02] <kubuntuser> mykola: runlevel 2 is normal in debian, 3 is cli in rh, and 5 is full gui in rh
[20:02] <quentusrex> IndyGunFreak, Docteh you still around?
[20:02] <skreech> 2 3 4 5 are differnet
[20:02] <bucky> skreech, yes it is different.. because debian only goes up to runlevel 2 for graphic mode
[20:02] <mykola> k thx
[20:02] <Sensiva> skreech Its a Dell Optiplex 755 with Intel 82Q35 VGA chipset, and I am using Hardy (working perfectly), I tried intrepid and Jaunty, it was fine too, except it needed some mods in xorg.conf to enable high resolution, but I am sticking to Hardy
[20:02] <mykola> ok , got it now
[20:02] <quentusrex> I've been able to debug the system more... There is NO networking when the 'blackout starts'
[20:02] <skreech> bucky: No 0 is shutdown 1 is single user and 6 is reboot
[20:02] <Sensiva> mzz Where to file this bug?
[20:02] <mykola> anyway, that's really not the point. I don't think i should have to be putting any scripts into rc.d
[20:02] <skreech> Everytime
[20:02] <kubuntuser> mykola: the point is that 2 is normal. So I would look there
[20:02] <skreech> 2 3 4 5 do whatever
[20:02] <mzz> Sensiva: ubuntu-bug grub-pc
[20:03] <bucky> skreech, type runlevel   which runlevel are you at?
[20:03] <mykola> the system SHOULD modprobe the correct module without me messing with the runlevel scripts
[20:03] <kubuntuser> mykola: true :-P
[20:03] <Sensiva> mzz you are assuming that Karmic is up, but its not, I wasn;t able to drop to shell either
[20:03] <skreech> bucky: Ubuntu isn't no longer a POSIX sysV system since they started using upstarrt
[20:03] <bucky> skreech, type runlevel   which runlevel are you at?
[20:03] <kubuntuser> mykola: besides, rc.local runs on all of them :-P
[20:03] <quentusrex> Guys, where do I report possible major bugs?
[20:03] <kubuntuser> quentusrex: launchpad
[20:04] <quentusrex> I have a bug where every ~30 minutes the networking blacks out.
[20:04] <quentusrex> Nothing in or out,
[20:04] <mzz> Sensiva: I'm sorry, you're not allowed to file bugs. Well, you're strongly discouraged from filing bugs. At least that's the impression I've been getting.
[20:04] <skreech> 2
[20:04] <topyli> debian always runs at runlevel unless you change it
[20:04] <topyli> runlevel 2 even
[20:04] <quentusrex> but after about 5 minutes all connections come back up.
[20:04] <blizzkid> I'm trying to et my scanner working. sane-find-scanner lists my usb webcam and my usb scanner. same for scanimage -L, but when I try to scan with xsane (after selecting the scanner),  I get an error "failed to set value of option br-x". Any ideas on how to solve this
[20:04] <blizzkid> ?
[20:04] <mzz> Sensiva: if you go to bugs.ubuntu.com, click "report a bug" to the right, and then scroll almost all the way to the bottom, you'll finde the super-secret bugreporting link.
[20:04] <mykola> mzz: ubuntu has no bugs. If you report one, then you are a traitor to the state and must be eradicated.
[20:04] <skreech> mykola: It has one bug. Bug One
[20:04] <mzz> !bugone
[20:04] <mzz> :(
[20:05] <kubuntuser> mzz: that is a joke bug
[20:05] <mzz> kubuntuser: I know
[20:05] <blizzkid> kubuntuser: that's NOT a joke!
[20:05] <topyli> bug 1 is no joke :(
[20:05] <Sensiva> mzz I don't get it why I am strongly discouraged from filling bugs?
[20:05] <mzz> Sensiva: sorry, sore point.
[20:05] <blizzkid> it's a *very* serious bug
[20:05] <[GuS]> hi guys, today i've installed karmic RC1 and Inkscape does not work saying when i execute under a console: "bus error"
[20:05] <kubuntuser> !bug 1
[20:05] <Sensiva> :\
[20:06] <mzz> Sensiva: just go to bugs.ubuntu.com and click "report a bug" to the right. After reading most of the wiki page you're taken to you may feel the same way I do.
[20:06] <hanasaki> in koala where do you set the gdm theme?
[20:06] <skreech> bucky: The discussion was not about runlevel 2 it was about runlevel 1 having GUI
[20:06] <mykola> kubuntuser: speaking of the rc scripts... any idea why other distros would get rid of them sometimes? O.o I was running Sorcerer and a slackware-based distro called Wolvix, and every few weeks every custom thing that I put into the rc3 vanished (those two just happened to drop GUI login into rc3)
[20:06] <mzz> (seriously, "Use the menu - try this first!" when your system won't boot is somewhat insulting, imho)
[20:06] <mykola> (or at least when I put the scripts into rc3 they would work at least)
[20:06] <kubuntuser> mykola: no idea
[20:06] <skreech> Sorceror is source based?
[20:06] <mykola> skreech: yeah
[20:07] <mzz> mykola: ask their support, that's almost certainly package-manager-specific.
[20:07] <mykola> heh i'm not messing around with those now
[20:07] <topyli> mykola, slackware uses bsd init not sysv
[20:07] <mzz> mykola: and/or they have some utility that they want you to use to manage that directory
[20:07] <kh_pylon> how can I get karmic to set the permissions on /dev/nvidia* to 664 on start-up? they always come up 660
[20:08] <mykola> sorcerer just randomly decided to kernel panic one day (don't remember changing anything)
[20:08] <skreech> mykola: Wow 3 years into Linux and running source based? that's pretty neat
[20:08] <mykola> wolvix was nice, but karmic is better for me
[20:08] <lsolesen1> wanted to upgrade to karmic beta, but it cannot fetch some things. Got the following error: http://pastebin.ca/1645546
[20:08] <mykola> skreech: heh. I got a pretty good environment going. though i was depressed when it randomly started to kernel panic on boot and I lost 2 months of tweaking/making it work
[20:09] <mykola> skreech: learned a lot about linux O.o
[20:09] <skreech> You would
[20:09] <skreech> and about computers
[20:09] <skreech> I lioves my Linux :)
[20:09]  * kubuntuser loves his linux
[20:10] <mykola> skreech: aye. It's actually a REALLY fun source based to get into, though support is next to none... their project suffered massive fragmentation into 3 distinct distros... I'm pretty sure that I was 1/20th of sorcerers userbase
[20:10] <bjsnider> kh_pylon, that should have been done by the nvidia installation package
[20:10] <mykola> I'm just not ready to spend 2 more months of my time setting it up perfectly again :P
[20:10] <skreech> mykola: tried Sourcemage?
[20:11] <mykola> skreech: yeah, it's one of the fragments. I liked the original sorcerer better though
[20:11] <bucky> slitaz is better and it's in unetbootin
[20:11] <mykola> skreech: lunar linux is the other one
[20:11] <kh_pylon> bjsnider: the devices don't exist until dkms runs during boot
[20:11] <mykola> ANYWAY... so I'm stuck with ubuntu trying to load that damned ssb module every time it boots?
[20:11] <bjsnider> kh_pylon, dkms does not run at boot time
[20:12] <kubuntuser> mykola: I have used too many distros to count
[20:12] <bjsnider> kh_pylon, try reinstalling the nvidia driver package (nvidia-glx-185)
[20:12] <bucky> mykola, put it in /etc/modules
[20:12] <skreech> Anyone using Kubuntu?
[20:12] <mykola> kubuntuser: heh... when I just started i swear i tried like... 10 before i settled on ubuntu
[20:13] <bjsnider> mykola, which 10?
[20:13] <bucky> mykola, maybe someone in #kubuntu does
[20:13] <kubuntuser> mykola: I used to change every 6 months. And I am not 16 :-)
[20:13] <kh_pylon> bjsnider: dkms has been running here when I boot into recovery, after I come out of the single-user shell.  I'll try reinstalling
[20:13] <robotti^> anybody here who knows about screen brightness systems on ubuntu using laptops?
[20:13] <mykola> bucky: wrong user with the #kubuntu comment
[20:13] <robotti^> using screen brightness keys
[20:14] <bjsnider> kh_pylon, that's the smart move
[20:14] <robotti^> nobody knows?
[20:15] <mykola> bjsnider: in order, ubuntu, fedora, CentOS, SuSe, PCBSD (not a linux distro but it's on the list), FreeBSD (Same), Gentoo, Ubuntu again :D then later on I had a Gentoo box for a week. When I got my new laptop half a year ago i had FreeBSD on it for a month, then I switched it to Sorcerer until it broke last friday. Now that laptop is on Ubuntu/Windows Dual boot (windows for Neverwinter Nights scripting)
[20:15] <khazil> robotti^: it works here
[20:15] <mykola> suppose it's not 10
[20:15] <mykola> whatever :)  At work (summer job in IT) I managed some red hat servers
[20:15] <robotti^> khazil: you are using macbook with karmic koala?
[20:15] <robotti^> khazil: :)
[20:15] <bjsnider> mykola, what the bloody hell is sorcerer?
[20:16] <mykola> a fairly cool Source based distro
[20:16] <khazil> robotti^: you said "using laptops" which was... vague
[20:16] <robotti^> khazil: okay
[20:16] <robotti^> khazil: what gpu you are using?
[20:16] <robotti^> khazil: I have nvidia
[20:16] <bjsnider> robotti^, the 9400m?
[20:16] <khazil> intel, that shouldn't affect it though
[20:16] <mykola> bucky: put it into modules, but ssb is still being loaded and used by default
[20:16] <robotti^> bjsnider: I have that
[20:17] <khazil> sorceror is long dead but there are a few modern derivatives
[20:17] <bjsnider> robotti^, why don't you like the mac osx?
[20:17] <robotti^> bjsnider: I cannot set screen brightness after I installed nvidia driver
[20:17] <robotti^> bjsnider: I like mac os x, but me likes too ubuntu :)
[20:17] <mykola> bucky: lsmod shows that putting the modules into /etc/modules worked, but that the old one is also being loaded
[20:18] <bjsnider> robotti^, i think there are ubuntu wiki pages for crackbooks
[20:18] <robotti^> khazil: I think it does not work on nvidia closed source driver
[20:18] <robotti^> that screen brightness thing.
[20:18] <robotti^> bjsnider: I have read those.
[20:18] <khazil> does it work on the open source driver?
[20:18] <bjsnider> you can always use nvidia-settings
[20:19] <robotti^> I have not seeing information about concerning about screen brightness
[20:19] <robotti^> khazil: it works without nvidia driver
[20:20] <dmatt> skreech: I am on kubuntu
[20:20] <skreech> can you do a 4-5 minute disruptive test for me?
[20:21] <kh_pylon> bjsnider: nope, reinstalled and still perms on /dev/nvidia0 and /dev/nvidiactl are 660
[20:21] <robotti^> khazil: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook5-1/Karmic#Screen%20brightness%20adjustment
[20:21] <robotti^> Oh I found information
[20:21] <robotti^> :)
[20:22] <khazil> yay
[20:22] <gnd_> hello ubuntu ... can i ask what happened with the package ttf-bitstream-vera in 9.10 ? is it replaced by some other package ?
[20:22] <mandrew> anyone that know how to fix broadcom w-lan in buntu 9.10?
[20:22] <robotti^> needs manual install
[20:22] <robotti^> :D
[20:22] <robotti^> where to brag about that
[20:23] <dmatt> skreech: I have karmic on another partition, what would you like to test?
[20:24] <mandrew> anyone that have time to help a noob?
[20:24] <mykola> mandrew: ask away
[20:25] <topyli> mandrew, better to just ask a question
[20:25]  * Blues-Man hi
[20:25] <mandrew> i did :P
[20:25] <mandrew> anyone that know how to fix broadcom w-lan
[20:25] <mykola> HAHHAHA
[20:25] <mykola> yes actually :D
[20:25] <robotti^> hey are there somebody who knows how to send support information for developers?
[20:25] <robotti^> about my issues
[20:25] <topyli> also, newbies aren't supposed to run development versions :)
[20:25] <mykola> (i've been messing with the one in my laptop for a while now)
[20:25] <robotti^> mandrew: what is your problem?
[20:26] <mykola> topyli: the full version comes out in 2 days :P
[20:26] <topyli> yes
[20:26] <mandrew> i cant get the w-lan to work on my netbook
[20:26] <robotti^> mandrew: you cannot reload that module?
[20:26] <mykola> mandrew: which netbook exactly?
[20:26] <xrandr> ok,  if i download libflashplayer.so  from adobe's website, where do i put it?
[20:26] <mandrew> i have a compaq mini 730e
[20:26] <robotti^> mandrew: restricted driver?
[20:26] <mykola> mandrew: do you know the broadcom chipset? :^)
[20:27] <robotti^> I have same problem with macbook two days ago
[20:27] <robotti^> I have also broadcom chip
[20:27] <mykola> robotti^: restricted driver manager never works for these damn broadcom chips... i had to compile one myself :P
[20:27] <robotti^> I updated system
[20:27] <robotti^> and then it worked
[20:27] <mandrew> dont know mouch about ubuntu or the terminal :(
[20:27] <robotti^> and then wlan worked
[20:27] <robotti^> :)
[20:28] <mandrew> but im a happy learner :P
[20:28] <mykola> mandrew: terminal is nothing scary really
[20:28] <mandrew> im not scared of i just dont know the comands
[20:28] <mykola> mandrew just going to check to make sure the instructions i'm going to give you will actually work or not :P brb
[20:28] <mandrew> ok
[20:28] <dtchen> gnd_: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=461308
[20:28] <robotti^> mandrew: do you have network connection on that netbook on ubuntu karmiac koala netbook remix?
[20:29] <maxb> Hm. Karmic really dislikes old-ish ThinkPads. Compiz is broken and so is wifi.
[20:29] <dtchen> maxb: which model(s)?
[20:29] <maxb> T40p
[20:29] <mykola> mandrew: k. do an "lspci | grep  -i Network controller"
[20:29] <dtchen> e.g., 600E?
[20:29] <mandrew> im on the desktop and yes i do
[20:29] <mykola> mandrew: best to copy and paste it.  lspci gives a list of hardware, grep is a search tool, i put too many spaces in that command hold on
[20:29] <mykola> lspci | grep -i Network controller
[20:30] <mzz> bad gnome-panel! don't do blocking dbus calls!
[20:30] <robotti^> mandrew: you can use ethernet on netbook?
[20:30] <maxb> dtchen: I said old-*ish* :-)
[20:30] <mandrew> ok ill install irc on it and surf in here to
[20:30] <mandrew> yes
[20:30] <mykola> mandrew: bah. forgot quotes
[20:30] <robotti^> mandrew: try to update system to newest?
[20:30] <mandrew> have don that
[20:30] <mykola> lspci | grep -i "Network controller"
[20:30] <gnd_> dtchen: sorry to disturb .. i found that allready too :)
[20:31] <virtuald> did canonical recently grease their pipes?
[20:31] <dtchen> virtuald: guh?
[20:31] <virtuald> the intertubes
[20:31] <mykola> please tell me what the output is when you do that ^_^
[20:32] <mandrew2> im in
[20:33] <dtchen> virtuald: no idea, I mirrored the entire repository in anticipation of release and zsynced the isos to be used at an installfest on Friday
[20:33] <virtuald> :)
[20:34] <virtuald> i haven't been to an install fest since i was 15
[20:34] <virtuald> :p
[20:34] <virtuald> ten years ago
[20:34] <cemc> I have a strange thing on 64bit Karmic, with 32bit java and eclipse. the 'Next' button won't click
[20:35] <mykola> mandrew2: so... lspci | grep -i "Network controller"
[20:35] <cemc> if I press tabs + space, it works. with the mouse it doesn't
[20:35] <mykola> mandrew2: need to know what kind of broadcom chip you have :D
[20:35] <bjsnider> kh_pylon, who owns those two files?
[20:35] <kh_pylon> bjsnider: owner root, group video
[20:36] <skreech> dmatt: When you get to KDM unders sessions select Failsafe and login
[20:36] <skreech> See if it kicks you back to the KDM
[20:36] <bjsnider> kh_pylon, join the video group
[20:36] <mykola> mandrew2 you there? :)
[20:37] <mandrew2> im here'
[20:37] <bjsnider> kh_pylon, did you upgrade from another distro or did you clean install?
[20:37] <mandrew2> i have copied to a chat window to you
[20:37] <kh_pylon> clean install
[20:37] <virtuald> dtchen: i think i'm coming to the london release party. i'm going to london tomorrow night anyway
[20:37] <dtchen> virtuald: excellent
[20:38] <mandrew2> you cant see the window?
[20:38] <darrend> WTF has karmic done to suspend/resume??  I have a laptop that worked *flawlessly* under jaunty which is now completely incapable (so it seems) of suspending to ram.  It will hibernate to disk, but resuming is flaky.
[20:38] <dtchen> darrend: are you running absolutely current Karmic?
[20:38] <bjsnider> virtuald, will there be champaigne and cheese?
[20:38] <virtuald> i guess if you pay for it
[20:39] <bjsnider> that's no fun
[20:39] <dmatt> skreech: I need some time, let you know the result
[20:39] <darrend> dtchen: last upgrade this morning.. is there a more recent fix?
[20:39] <virtuald> bjsnider: http://www.salvadorandamanda.com/main.html
[20:39] <dtchen> darrend: just info and checkbox, I think
[20:40] <dtchen> darrend: should be orthogonal to your suspend/resume issue(s), regardless
[20:40] <bjsnider> there was a xorg update of some sort
[20:47] <kh_pylon> bjsnider: that worked; thx.  really wanted to do it using udev, but at least I can access it now
[20:51] <dmatt> skreech: yes, it throwed me back to kdm and also access to ttys (CTRL-ALT-Fx) did not work (I tried twice, second time with tty1 on)
[20:51] <kindofabuzz> been doing updates since alpha 4 or so and everything is just getting sluggish. would i be better off reinstalling the RC or a Daily?
[20:52] <kindofabuzz> or better off going back to intrepid? =)
[20:52] <froglet> Does upgrading jaunty to karmic work or should I do a clean install?
[20:53] <kindofabuzz> clean install always seems better, but yeah it works
[20:54] <froglet> kindofabuzz, ty
[20:54] <mbeierl> froglet: from all I've heard it works, however there are a few advantages to the clean install: 1) ext4 on your root partition and 2) grub2 - these are the ones I can think of off the top of my head
[20:54] <robotti^>      mbeierl hello
[20:54] <robotti^> ops
[20:54] <mbeierl> robotti^: hey!
[20:54] <robotti^> mbeierl: My networking is good now
[20:54] <robotti^> :D
[20:55] <froglet> I had forgotten about grub2 but I want to stick with ext3
[20:55] <robotti^> but battery life is worse than os x
[20:55] <bjsnider> kh_pylon, yes...at least you can...yes
[20:55] <mbeierl> robotti^: excellent!  So wireless mod works... but battery is no good
[20:55] <robotti^> mbeierl: yep, on os x I have 4-6 hours, and on karmic I have 2 hours
[20:55] <mbeierl> robotti^: I think there is a bug with reporting battery state, but that should not decrease the reality
[20:55] <mbeierl> of how long it actually lasts...
[20:56] <robotti^> I think it is about, screen brightness is always full on karmic
[20:56] <kh_pylon> also, occasionally the LMB on USB mouse stops working; have to unplug/replug mouse to get it back??
[20:56] <froglet> I will wait and see how ext4 works before installing it on the desktop machine
[20:56] <robotti^> mbeierl: screen brightness is not working on karmic yet.
[20:57] <robotti^> I cannot set it those keys
[20:57] <mbeierl> robotti^: that's not good.  it works for my dell, but that's basic stuff
[20:57] <robotti^> mbeierl: yep, it works on intrepid
[20:57] <robotti^> but not on karmic yet, I am waiting updates.
[20:57] <robotti^> :)
[20:58] <robotti^> Or I install intrepid packets.
[20:58] <mbeierl> did you file a bug?
[20:58] <robotti^> mbeierl: where to file  bug
[20:58] <mbeierl> launchpad
[20:59] <mbeierl> !launchpad | robotti^
[20:59] <AlienPenguin> hi ppl, i am trying kk server and i noticed that when ssh is started it takes forever to accept a character if at all, hence typing the passwd is a daunting task?
[20:59] <AlienPenguin> any hints?
[20:59] <dmatt> robotti^: MMV, mine brightnes works
[20:59] <cemc> is there a really big stinking bug in Karmic that causes mouse clicks not to register in different apps?
[20:59] <robotti^> mbeierl: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook5-1/Karmic <-- look here. if it there documented. Maybe people are informed
[21:00] <robotti^> mbeierl: for example known issues on there
[21:00] <mbeierl> robotti^: k, well I've gotta run for now.  Good to hear wireless is working again.  I'm sure the other things will come in line quickly enough :)
[21:00] <cemc> I have it in GNOME (on the taskbar), in flash player (basically can't click any buttons), in eclipse (can't click 'next')
[21:00] <robotti^> mbeierl: # Short battery life (less than 2,3-2,5 hours!) under Ubuntu comparing with OS X.
[21:00] <robotti^> mbeierl: :)
[21:00] <robotti^> thank you
[21:01] <mzz> cemc: there's a bug on eclipse, but I was assuming the packaged eclipse worked around it properly
[21:01] <mzz> see bug 458703
[21:01] <mzz> I don't know about the other two
[21:01] <robotti^> how to submit bug?
[21:02] <mzz> ubuntu-bug
[21:02] <robotti^> ubuntu-bug?
[21:02] <mzz> (probably, see bugs.ubuntu.com -> "report a bug")
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[21:02] <robotti^> mzz: if it noticed on some of support sites does it then matters?
[21:03] <cemc> mzz: that may be, but the eclipse versions from their site won't work (I need eclipse 3.3 for example, that GDK var exporting woodoo doesn't seem to fix it)
[21:03] <ActionParsnip> !info eclipse
[21:04] <domjohnson> How do you get the desktop cube to work in Karmic?
[21:04] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: install video card drivers and compizconfig-settings-manager
[21:04] <cemc> mzz: but I sense there is a bigger issue here, same simptoms occur in flash, can't click buttons
[21:05] <mzz> cemc: where?
[21:05] <domjohnson> How do you install video card drivers
[21:05] <domjohnson> ?
[21:05] <domjohnson> is that an actual package?
[21:06] <cemc> mzz: karmic 64bit firefox+flash player (for example youtube site, can't control the videos, clicks do nothing)
[21:06] <mzz> domjohnson: sane ones are usually installed by default, but for certain cards system -> settings -> hardware drivers is required
[21:06] <mzz> cemc: I'm not on 64bit so can't really test that
[21:06] <mzz> the eclipse thing is known and should be fixed properly in eclipse
[21:07] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: what is the output of: lspci | grep -i vga
[21:07] <cemc> mzz: it is, but older versions still don't work with that fix
[21:07] <cemc> mzz: scratch that with flash, it seems to work now (??!)
[21:07] <mzz> cemc: they should, unless there's another bug I'm not aware of (which is entirely possible, it's not like I use eclipse)
[21:07] <skreech> dmatt: Yep I have that problem as well :(
[21:08] <domjohnson> VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev b2)
[21:08] <skreech> dmatt: upgrade or full install?
[21:09] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: ok then run: gksudo jockey-gtk
[21:09] <dmatt> full install
[21:09] <Roey> hello, can anyone help me with this booting/grub issue?  #grub seems to be in lurk mode...
[21:09] <domjohnson> ok
[21:09] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: if you arent offered any drivers let me know
[21:09] <Roey> ActionParsnip: hello again ;)
[21:10] <domjohnson> Ok
[21:10] <domjohnson> I did that before
[21:10] <domjohnson> lol
[21:10] <domjohnson> Before you said :)
[21:10] <domjohnson> brb
[21:10] <dmatt> skreech: I am testing on spare partition before I plunge into real thing
[21:10] <silverdrake11> help! grub2 error: "no such partition" what do I type in to the "grub resuce>" prompt to fix this?
[21:10] <skreech> dmatt: So clean install?
[21:10] <Plugh> dmatt, I'm doing the same thing on my machine.
[21:11] <dmatt> skreech: yes
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> hi Roey
[21:11] <silverdrake11> How do I fix my grub error "no such partition" on karmic? Someone please help me.
[21:12] <Plugh> I was totally impressed with Ubuntu 9.10 beta when I installed it on my laptop so I'm planning to stop using (the old copy of) Fedora on my desktop and only use Ubuntu.
[21:12] <Plugh> I ran into one issue when installing Ubuntu for the desktop as it has drives configured for RAID1.
[21:12] <bjsnider> Plugh, not happy with fedora's constant security prompts for every little thing?
[21:14] <Plugh> I had to modprobe dm-raid4 before the partiioning step so the install CD recognized the raid drives. When I tried to reboot after install was complete, it couldn't mount the root partition. I think the raid module(s) may be missing from initrd.
[21:14] <aliendude5300> SeySayux: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and set the timer to 0. The GRUB menu will then be skipped
[21:15] <silverdrake11> grub2 "no such partition" error. Please help my rescue by grub.
[21:16] <Plugh> bjsnider: I tried Fedora 11 on the laptop. Had to manually edit a sound configuration file to get speakers working. WiFi wasn't working (I could probably have fixed that), and couldn't get the accelerated video card drivers installed. I also wound up with Thunderbird 3 beta installed on the machine as part of F11 and that is flagged as not for general use. Not to mention dependency issues (ie. apparent bloat), and
[21:16] <aliendude5300> silverdrake11: you could have file system corruption or and invalidly configured menu.lst file.
[21:16] <Plugh> Ubuntu 9.10 worked out of the box (almost) on the laptop.
[21:16] <skreech> dmatt: Thanks
[21:17] <cemc> mzz: found the bugreport and updated it. thanks
[21:17] <silverdrake11> aliendude5300, all I did was delete my Jaunty partition, and that happend.
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> Plugh: ubuntu has its fair share of bloat
[21:17] <aliendude5300> Thats because your /boot folder was stored on your Jaunty partition.
[21:17] <dmatt> skreech: did you file a bug for it?
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: better?#
[21:17] <domjohnson> Yup
[21:17] <nxnn14> Hi, i have a grub error 15 when I boot with a recently updated from grub legacy on karmic. I booted into a live karmic cd and I was wondering what the commands would be to fix or reconfigure grub
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: great, makes life easier when that thing works
[21:17] <domjohnson> How do you add desktops?
[21:18] <aliendude5300> Reinstall GRUB to another partition and your MBR; you should be able to boot again.
[21:18] <domjohnson> :)
[21:18] <Plugh> ActionParsnip: Won't be too bad as I'm used to that from Fedora. At least upgrading to new releases will be a lot easier.
[21:18] <skreech> dmatt: Not yet. I know what the issue is I'm just trying to figure out how to formulate the bug
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: for compiz or gnome desktops?
[21:18] <domjohnson> Compiz
[21:18] <Roey> ooooh.
[21:18] <Roey> grub issues.l
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> Plugh: im leaning towards arch due to rolling updates rather than releases
[21:18] <Roey> I'm currntly in a bad sitch with that too.
[21:18] <Roey> Error 15.
[21:18] <silverdrake11> aliendude5300: basically I'm asking how I rescue grub2. I know for grub1 all you had to do was type in grub, then find /boot/grub/stage1
[21:18] <Roey> #grub is mostly dead
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: alt+f2   run: ccsm
[21:19] <domjohnson> lol
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: general on the left
[21:19] <silverdrake11> aliendude5300, but for grub2 that doesnt work. so how do I fix this?
[21:19] <domjohnson> You like terminals and stuff too much!
[21:19] <domjohnson> Im on it :)
[21:19] <domjohnson> Thankyou, by the way :)
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: then general options again, desktop size tab, crank to 4
[21:19] <Roey> silverdrake11: I have the same problem btw.
[21:19] <Plugh> What needs to be done to update the initrd to include the dmraid modules? I seem to remember something about a mkinitrd command.
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: np man
[21:20] <dmatt> skreech: i see you opened it on kubuntu-devel
[21:20] <domjohnson> general options? How do you get into that?
[21:20] <silverdrake11> Roey, have you figured out a solution?
[21:20] <domjohnson> lol
[21:20] <domjohnson> no worries, im on
[21:20] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: its on the left
[21:20] <skreech> dmatt: Yeah I brought it up a few days ago but since I'm kinda a corner case I was tring to see if anyone else could replicate it
[21:20] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: then in the main panel you'll see general options, click that
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: then at the top you will see desktop size
[21:21] <nxnn14> Ya i have the same issue updated to grub 2 and now need to rescue it because it wont boot and says error 15
[21:21] <domjohnson> :)
[21:21] <domjohnson> Im on that
[21:21] <domjohnson> but i cant change theNumber of desktops
[21:21] <skreech> dmatt: konsole is set as the app for x-terminal-emulator which somehow doesn't like failsafe and crashes X
[21:21] <domjohnson> No worries
[21:21] <domjohnson> i got it now :)
[21:21] <domjohnson> lol!
[21:21] <aliendude5300> silverdrake11: I think you have to boot from a live CD...
[21:22] <Roey> silverdrake11: I think maybe grub-setup /dev/sda
[21:22] <Roey> (I have a softraid1 btw)
[21:22] <Roey> mirror
[21:22] <Roey> two drives, sda and sdb
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: cool
[21:22] <dmatt> skreech: I try it on an old computer, just to be sure
[21:22] <Roey> I boot off of /dev/md1 which is /dev/sd{a,b}2
[21:22] <domjohnson> thanks :)
[21:22] <DoYouKnow> Hi... where can I get the latest wubi?
[21:23] <DoYouKnow> for 9.10
[21:23] <domjohnson> Download wubi, and put the 9.10 rc iso in the same folder
[21:23] <domjohnson> that's right, isn't it?
[21:23] <silverdrake11> aliendude5300: I tried booting from a live cd. But the commands I usually type in to locate grub1, dont work for grub2.\
[21:23] <Roey> I'll try rebooting...
[21:23] <Roey> watch this fail.  One sec.
[21:23] <nxnn14> I have booted to a live karmic cd, but what command do I run to reconfigure or fix grub 2 and what options do I choose if I am reconfiguring for it to work
[21:23] <Roey> grrr
[21:23] <skreech> dmatt: See if the TTY is still messed up
[21:23] <DoYouKnow> domjohnson, hmm... ok
[21:24] <Roey> nxnn14: grrrrrrrr I'm wrestliong grub2 too from a livecd
[21:24] <skreech> I had that messed up for me but I upgraded the kernel and did the failsafe fix so I don't know which one was the issue
[21:24] <Roey> ;)
[21:24] <Roey> nxnn14: brb
[21:24] <skreech> Hi Roey
[21:25] <silverdrake11> nxnn14, I think that, that is what the "grub rescue>" prompt is for. So you don't have to boot from a liveCD. but as for what you can type in there, I have no idea. The only command that works is 'ls'
[21:26] <nxnn14> how do u get to the grub rescue promt
[21:27] <Brownout> will karmic UNR be available as an install image as the previous releases? I can see only an ISO in the RC
[21:27] <silverdrake11> nxnn14, for me its just default when you boot. It says grub "error: no such partition" and then it displays the prompt
[21:27] <dtchen> Brownout: yes.
[21:28] <nxnn14> silverdrake11: i c...ya when I boot I just get "grub error 15" and then nothing else
[21:28] <dtchen> Brownout: it now fits on a 700 MB CD, because many people requested it.
[21:28] <silverdrake11> nxnn14, and are you sure you are using grub2?
[21:29] <nxnn14> silverdrake: yes that is the problem. I updated to it last night and now it will not boot from it
[21:29] <Brownout> dtchen: so when the final release will be published we will have also the .img
[21:30] <silverdrake11> nxnn14, have you tried the suber grub disk?
[21:30] <nxnn14> silverdrake: is there no way to reconfigure or fix grub from booting to a live karmic cd?
[21:31] <dmatt> skreech: !! failsafe does not work, but I can get into TTY's
[21:31] <dtchen> Brownout: no, only the iso.
[21:32] <dtchen> Brownout: it doesn't matter; Karmic's usb-creator works just fine with it.
[21:32] <skreech> dmatt: ok I think that was a kernel bug the failsafe issue shouldn't really affect anything with the ttys but I wanted to be sure
[21:32] <silverdrake11> nxnn14, lol well I have the same problem. that's why I'm here. But a temporary workaround  I have been  using is the suber grub disk to boot into ubuntu, then just never shutdown your computer (just sleep_
[21:32] <dtchen> Brownout: just write it to whatever mediuw and boot it
[21:32] <dtchen> medium*
[21:32] <Brownout> dtchen: it works just fine if you have ubuntu installed somewhere
[21:33] <nxnn14> silverdrake11: o i c I didn't realize you were in the same boat sorry about that. Ya it is annoying isnt it. :)
[21:33] <Roey> silverdrake11: hi
[21:33] <Roey> didn't work.  Grr.
[21:33] <Roey> didn't work.  System boots, Grub says "GRUB loading." and then halts.