[04:15] <Myrtti> good morning
[04:22] <MartijnVdS> \o
[04:58] <Myrtti> someone might remember my fixation with Yorkshire tea... I'm running low and decided to look up my options. Taking into account that I've lost my bus card, it would cost me 5€ on busfares to get into town to get some from the big department store I know sells it...
[04:58] <Myrtti> I thought I might look into buying some from a shop that sells British stuff.
[04:58] <Myrtti> first I thought "ok" maybe 11€ isn't that bad for a packet of tea that would cost 2.50GBP in Tesco
[04:59] <Myrtti> ... but they also charge for mailing it, making the grand total for the tea 19.50€.
[04:59] <Myrtti> so I guess taking the bus to get some tea isn't such a bad idea after all.
[04:59] <Myrtti> also, happy mailman day
[05:02] <diddledan> Myrtti: mailman as in the software mailing list manager or mailman as in the bloke that delivers my shiny toys?
[05:14] <Myrtti> diddledan: the software mailing list manager that celebrates its day every first day of the month
[05:14] <diddledan> yeah, I've since spotted the mails:-p
[05:14] <Myrtti> because holy list membership reminders, Batman!
[05:15] <diddledan> they're starting to trickle in
[07:03] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:04] <diddledan> allo
[08:25] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:28] <diddledan> ,prmom
[08:28] <diddledan> erm
[08:28] <diddledan> mornin
[08:29] <diddledan> fingers were offset to the right by one key
[08:30] <bigcalm> Ah, an off by one error
[08:30] <diddledan> :-)
[08:30] <diddledan> only one of the two actors was affected by off-by-one however meaning the R came out correctly
[08:37] <diddledan> lol - the sultry seductress installer ends with "reticulating splines"
[08:37] <diddledan> is that the right codename? or should it be spicy salami?
[08:37] <diddledan> or...
[08:38] <bigcalm> What the heck are you talking about? :)
[08:38] <diddledan> the beta of ubuntu 13.10
[08:39] <bigcalm> Ah. Your codename for it didn't make much sense to me, does now
[08:41] <bigcalm> Today, I shall be mostly eating co-codamol</fastshow>
[08:41] <diddledan> mmm, tasty
[08:43] <bigcalm> Woo, new Museum of Curiosity waiting for me to listen to
[08:56] <bigcalm> Does anybody ever have a pet project that they really want to work on but normal work just gets in the way during work hours? I should take time off...
[08:58] <popey> heh
[08:58] <popey> yes!
[09:10] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:12] <bigcalm> Morning
[09:12] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[09:21] <diddledan> bigcalm: pet projects - I would like to redesign / rebuild my own website and get some more recent content on it  but I just don't seem to be able to get time off from paying work to do it
[09:27] <MooDoo> diddledan: use wordpress half the work is then done for you ;)
[09:28] <brobostigon> wordpress is pretty slick.
[09:29] <brobostigon> and unlike drupal, wordpress can upgrade itself.
[09:38] <diplo> morning all, I have a IcyBox external hdd caddy and have a few hdd's I'd like to test for errors etc. Best way to go about that? Can hdparm do anything like that? A bit like a memtest test I guess I'm after
[09:42] <diddledan> you'd want it to be able to support SMART if it can as that's the most appropriate way to initiate tests
[09:42] <diddledan> otherwise I donno
[09:42] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Vegetarian Day! :-D
[09:43] <diddledan> bah
[09:47] <bigcalm> JamesTait: is today the day that we eat a vegetarian?
[09:52] <jussi> bigcalm: cannibal day again? :D
[09:53] <JamesTait> bigcalm, I think that might be the opposite of what was intended, but whatever works, I guess. ;)
[09:54] <bigcalm> jussi: eat a rabbit, they are veggies ;)
[09:54] <gordonjcp> I guess pigs are about the only omnivorous thing we eat
[09:54] <gordonjcp> maybe the Abrahamic faiths have a point, there
[10:00] <jussi> gordonjcp: don't you try take my bacon away!! (and also, what about cows?)
[10:00] <jussi> (cows chew the cud, isnt that eating meat? :P :P )
[10:01] <brobostigon> bacon rocks
[10:01] <popey> Rocks made from bacon!? Where!?
[10:02] <brobostigon> haha
[10:02]  * TheOpenSourcerer files a trademark for Bacon Rocks
[10:03]  * popey had quickie scrambled eggs and mushrooms for brekkie
[10:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> Then ponders if they should be chewy or hard
[10:04]  * TheOpenSourcerer had no breakfast - never does normally.
[10:04] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: crispy bacon
[10:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> Am now waiting impatiently for the sandwich to van to announce its presence.
[10:05]  * brobostigon is having lunch with his gf, :)
[10:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> Chocmosas (NOM NOM) http://www.greenandblacks.co.uk/recipes/Chocomosas?r=45265
[10:08] <Myrtti> hmmm.
[10:09] <Myrtti> Google Music and Google Music All Access opened today in Finland. I have to consider would canceling my Spotify subscription and moving to GMAA be a good idea. But I've been doing wedding playlist on Spotify and was planning to make it collaborative at some point...
[10:09] <MooDoo> bacon + star wars = https://static.squarespace.com/static/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/51ce6099e4b0d911b4489b79/51ce6196e4b0d911b44993bc/1271115234477/1000w/Star_Wars_Bacon_AT-AT-3-thumb-548x606-37072.jpg
[10:09] <Myrtti> this leaves me wondering
[10:11] <bigcalm> Myrtti: keep spotify until you're wed?
[10:11] <Myrtti> bigcalm: why pay for two subscriptions...
[10:11] <Myrtti> besides I just remembered my google account thinks I'm british already
[10:11] <bigcalm> Myrtti: spend time moving the play lists over - do you have colab playlists on google music?
[10:11] <Myrtti> so the lower subscription rate for people signing up on the first month is already gone for me
[10:12] <Myrtti> bigcalm: nope, not that I know of
[10:12] <bigcalm> Then isn't that a reason to keep spotify?
[10:12] <Myrtti> yeah I suppose, but it would've been 2€ cheaper
[10:12] <brobostigon> cheapo wetherspoons lunch, but it will do the job.
[10:12] <Myrtti> but since the deal is gone, it's the same price, so that's moot anyway
[10:13] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: yeah, I tend to now otherwise working at home I'll just sneak into the kitchen and eat
[10:13] <bigcalm> I <3 spotify for mobile usage mostly - I have my account running on my android tv stick and so get tunes in the sitting room hi-fi
[10:13] <popey> \o/
[10:13] <Myrtti> oh yes. I forgot the bonus, of using Spotify on the AV Receiver and whatnots
[10:13] <popey> i have shared my spotify login with wifey and sophie
[10:13] <popey> they have their own playlists on my account
[10:13] <popey> we pretty much never use it at the same time
[10:13] <Myrtti> yeah, I'm sharing mine with my sister on her TV STB
[10:21] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:24] <popey> just
[10:25] <JamesTait> davmor2, "It was when we got up." ;)
[10:25] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:25]  * JamesTait used to hear that a lot.
[10:25] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:26] <bigcalm> davmor2: not going to the LUG tomorrow night?
[10:26] <davmor2> I've been up for hours I've only just managed to get rid of my Mom who paid a surprise visit
[10:26] <JamesTait> Aw, bless!
[10:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: no idea currently way too much on, but I can only do so much in a day so we'll see, hence not putting my name down yet
[10:27] <bigcalm> davmor2: fair enough
[10:27] <davmor2> JamesTait: You don't know her or you wouldn't say that :D
[10:27] <JamesTait> davmor2, I did wonder about the "get rid of her" bit. ;)
[10:28] <bigcalm> davmor2: have you considered loud and continuous farting?
[10:28] <gordonjcp> jussi: no, it's semidigested grass ;-)
[10:28] <davmor2> bigcalm: She'd thing that was a challenge :)
[10:28] <JamesTait> Hah! :-D
[10:29] <jussi> gordonjcp: aah crud, I thought it was cow cheek :P
[10:29] <gordonjcp> jussi: no, they have four stomachs where they let chewed up grass break down a bit before eating it some more
[10:30] <jussi> hehe
[10:30] <gordonjcp> jussi: sheep and goats are ruminants too
[10:30] <gordonjcp> we're not which is why we can't eat grass
[10:30] <gordonjcp> well, we can, we just can't get any nutrition from it
[10:31] <jussi> I knew it!!! all those vegetarians telling me to eat salad!!!
[10:33] <bigcalm> Indeed, having a shrivelled up appendix means that we get bugger all from lettuce
[10:44] <gordonjcp> hrmph
[10:44] <gordonjcp> I wish Google would stop trying to get me to work for them

[10:45] <gordonjcp> about once a month I get mailed by their recruiters
[10:45] <mungbean> why don't you email back
[10:45] <gordonjcp> I did
[10:45] <mungbean> say "please contact me in 1 yr"
[10:45] <MooDoo> gordonjcp: go work for them, they can't be that bad to work for, you might get more money
[10:45] <gordonjcp> I emailed back with varying degrees of politeness saying please contact me when you've got something suitable
[10:45] <brobostigon> i would accept, it is probably well payed enough.
[10:45] <gordonjcp> MooDoo: they only have jobs in London
[10:46] <MooDoo> gordonjcp: ah
[10:46] <gordonjcp> it's at the wrong end of a different country
[10:46] <Myrtti> I've been emailed a few times and once I even tried
[10:46] <gordonjcp> and their recruitment guy that emails me cannot seem to grasp that I just don't want to move to London
[10:46] <Myrtti> it always ends in tears anyway
[10:47] <gordonjcp> "But we'd be paying London rates!"
[10:47] <gordonjcp> yeah
[10:47] <gordonjcp> but I'd be in *London*
[10:50] <mungbean> victoria?
[10:50] <mungbean> or elsewhere in london
[10:51] <mungbean> not that i can handle anything more than a 9-5 atm
[11:06] <Monotoko> afternoon
[11:17] <mungbean> how do i invite to a chan? /invite ?
[11:21] <diddledan> mungbean: in the channel you want to invite someone to, run /invite theirNick
[11:21] <mungbean> cheers diddledan
[11:53] <bigcalm> Oh my, I think our village hall is on fire
[11:53] <MooDoo> ouch
[11:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: ouch
[11:54] <Myrtti> oof.
[11:54] <bigcalm> Fire engine has just raced past
[11:57] <mungbean> 2nd day of cold turkey on reddit
[11:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: Good sign that something is on fire
[12:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Next week is "National Curry Week" :-D
[12:05] <bigcalm> For the whole week?
[12:05] <bigcalm> Yay
[12:05] <bigcalm> Will try and get Hayley to a balti at some point
[12:06] <popey> \o/
[12:14] <mungbean> i wonder how the high speed internet on trains will work
[12:15] <bigcalm> You use the internet while the train moves at high speed
[12:15] <mungbean> train lines are perfect for laying fibre
[12:15] <bigcalm> So, not at all
[12:15] <mungbean> how does the internet get into the train
[12:15] <bigcalm> Does it have a ticket?
[12:15] <mungbean> multiple wifi APs along the route every 100 yds ?
[12:16] <davmor2> mungbean: it's a mobile connection on the train, I'm assuming they'll just upgrade it from 3g to 4g
[12:16] <mungbean> they are talking 50mb
[12:16] <mungbean> http://metro.co.uk/2013/09/30/web-connections-that-go-like-a-train-broadband-on-railways-to-eclipse-domestic-speeds-4129211/
[12:17] <davmor2> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2297785/uk-government-to-deliver-50mbps-4g-broadband-to-rail-passengers
[12:18] <mungbean> i have a train line that runs along the back of my garden
[12:18] <mungbean> wonder if i can profit from that
[12:20] <mungbean> http://metro.co.uk/2013/09/30/50-year-old-father-of-three-ordered-to-show-id-to-buy-whisky-4128887/
[12:20] <mungbean> he looks like a student
[12:24] <davmor2> mungbean: but he's black.  What I found happens with Black people in general is, as kids they always look older till they look like they are in their early 20's, eventually they then go grey and wrinkly but the eventually kicks in around 70 :)
[12:24] <popey> meh
[12:24] <popey> I got ID'd in the USA recently
[12:24] <popey> Despite me being older than everyone there, including the guy asking for ID
[12:25] <mungbean> thats teh rules in USA though innit?
[12:25] <davmor2> popey: they were just checking if you were elvis
[12:25] <mungbean> they just ask out of habit, no one gets offended
[12:25] <popey> It's not about being offended
[12:25] <popey> I had no id with me
[12:25] <popey> so couldn't go in
[12:25] <mungbean> lol
[12:25] <directhex> when i worked at waitrose, as a 16 year old, i was required to ID everyone, regardless of age or zimmer frame
[12:25] <Azelphur> I've only ever been ID'd once in my entire life xD
[12:25]  * Myrtti looks at the picture
[12:26] <Myrtti> mmm 17
[12:26] <Azelphur> and amusingly...this was trying to buy cutlery at Argos
[12:26] <Azelphur> I don't always stab people, but when I do I use value range forks.
[12:26] <mungbean> weapons in argos you mean
[12:27] <Azelphur> luckily I had a friend with me who had a passport
[12:27] <Azelphur> I guess at <21 you're supposed to eat like a monkey :P
[12:27] <ali1234> i've got an idea
[12:27]  * davmor2 has never been ID'd
[12:27] <ali1234> let's make everyone give ID when buying anything at all
[12:28] <mungbean> don't tell the govt
[12:28] <mungbean> they probably will
[12:28] <Azelphur> lol
[12:28] <mungbean> maplins, machine mart, dixons etc are keen to ask for a home address when buying stuff
[12:28] <davmor2> mungbean: they already do what do you think the chip in the debit and credit cards is all about ;)
[12:29] <mungbean> and i am keen to decline
[12:29] <popey> thats for spam
[12:30] <mungbean> naively i complied once because my wife was in teh shop and i wanted to be polite
[12:30] <mungbean> i said whats this for? "warranty sir"
[12:30] <mungbean> oh ok.
[12:30] <mungbean> got spammed relentlessly since
[12:30] <mungbean> fool
[12:31] <ali1234> they have to take your address if you buy a TV
[12:31] <mungbean> so they say
[12:31] <bigcalm> To check the address has a licence
[12:31] <mungbean> as george bush said..fool me once...
[12:31] <mungbean> bigcalm: but i'm buying as a gift for a friend
[12:31] <bigcalm> They don't know that
[12:32] <bigcalm> And if you said it, you could be lying
[12:32] <mungbean> and also, my sisters house in harlow wasn't on their system
[12:32] <mungbean> so?
[12:32] <mungbean> what if i don't have a licence, and am buying for a friend.
[12:32] <bigcalm> So they still have to ask
[12:32] <mungbean> it's not controlled goods
[12:33]  * bigcalm does a cheeky bit of JavaScript while on lunch
[12:33] <popey> \o/
[12:33] <diddledan> sneaky javascript? that sounds naughty
[12:34] <popey> https://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-seeks-full-time-senior-gnu-linux-sysadmin
[12:34] <popey> "(S)he will be familiar with the free software community and how it works, and will be more interested in making a substantial contribution to software freedom and having employment consistent with ethical ideals than obtaining the highest salary"
[12:34] <popey> i.e. "We pay crap money"
[12:34] <mungbean> how crap
[12:35] <mungbean>  The salary is fixed at $60,819.20 and is non-negotiable
[12:35] <mungbean> not bad
[12:35] <mungbean> equivalent to a uni sysadmin role
[12:36] <diddledan> mungbean: the law states that televisions and other receiving devices cannot be sold unless the purchaser has filled and signed a license document
[12:37] <diddledan> hence, your address
[12:37] <Myrtti> I refrain from commenting what the negatives of the job are
[12:37] <popey> haha
[12:38] <diddledan> that the gnu/fsf job posting?
[12:38] <Myrtti> yeah.
[12:38] <diddledan> I wouldn't qualify - I use proprietary stuff :-0p
[12:38] <Myrtti> I wouldn't qualify, I use word Linux in my language
[12:38] <Myrtti> "eeep, game over"
[12:38] <diddledan> yeah, and I don't call it gnu/linux either
[12:40] <popey> que
[12:40] <diddledan> lol @ maplin email I just received - they have a "Pro Hunter - Miniature RF Bug Sweeper"
[12:40] <popey> are schools on strike today?
[12:41] <diddledan> popey: not that I'm aware
[12:41] <ali1234> yes they are
[12:41] <ali1234> some of them
[12:41] <mungbean> some
[12:41] <ali1234> i heard it on the local radio last night
[12:41] <diddledan> but then I'm never aware of the schools anymore
[12:42] <mungbean> why are 2 eastenders stories in teh top 10 on the bbc :(
[12:43] <diddledan> because they're trying new marketing avenues
[12:43] <mungbean> i think you are right
[12:44] <mungbean> i forgot it existed
[12:44] <mungbean> now they are reminding me
[12:44] <diddledan> aparently someone is going to get domestically violent soon ... joy
[12:44] <mungbean> now i feel depressed
[12:47] <popey> phew, local school isnt
[12:48] <MooDoo> popey: our schools teachers are on strike
[12:48] <popey> bummer
[12:48] <MooDoo> yeah
[12:48] <popey> the benefit of independent schools \o/
[12:49] <MooDoo> obviously x weeks in the summer and christmas isn't good enough for them, they need inset and strike days as well
[12:49] <mungbean> inset is worse than teaching i'm sure
[12:50] <mungbean> especially the bit where they dress up as six legged creatures
[12:50] <diddledan> my sister is on maternity leave so she isn't caught up in whether to strike or not
[12:50] <MooDoo> I'm sure, but when they have 6 weeks school hol, then announce the first day back is inset, it annoys me
[12:50] <mungbean> less disruptive innit
[12:50] <popey> makes sense
[12:50] <popey> first day back, get everyone up to speed
[12:51] <MooDoo> do it in the bloomin hols so it doesn't disrupt parents
[12:51] <popey> they have, effectively
[12:51] <popey> on the last day
[12:51] <MooDoo> yeah I get what you're saying
[12:51] <MooDoo> still annoys me
[12:52]  * mungbean thinks you are just in grumpy mood :D
[12:52] <popey> it's just as bad for people who work in schools
[12:52] <popey> they have to find childcare for their kids while they go into school for inset days
[12:53] <mungbean> still wiped out after being ill all last week
[12:53] <mungbean> need a nap somewhere
[12:55] <mungbean> straw poll, if you were deploying a virtualisation solution now, what would you go for?
[12:56] <MooDoo> mungbean: vmware
[12:56] <popey> depends
[12:56] <mungbean> mostly linux server VMs
[12:57] <mungbean> possible scope for openstack/cloudstack type dep[loyments too
[12:59] <diddledan> opensource: if you're happy running a roll-your-own then libvirt+kvm+virsh/virt-manager; if you want a packaged solution xcp. proprietary: there's not a lot to choose between citrix and vmware here
[12:59] <mungbean> i've got strong background in vmware
[12:59] <diddledan> I would say go with what you know then
[12:59] <mungbean> however, OSS product might be way to go
[12:59] <mungbean> its a team thing
[13:00] <diddledan> aah
[13:00] <diddledan> that changes things a bit
[13:00] <diddledan> you need the other members to be happy with the choice - politics :-p
[13:00] <mungbean> everyone is sensible and OSS users
[13:00] <mungbean> hopefully not much politics
[13:02] <diddledan> the advantage that the libvirt-based solution has is that it is end-to-end manageable through an oss workstation - both vmware and citrix (and even oss xcp from the xen guys) require closed-source management utils that only work on windows workstations
[13:02] <mungbean> thats true too
[13:02] <mungbean> vmware is still ££ too
[13:02] <diddledan> yeah
[13:02] <diddledan> vmware gets very expensive very quickly
[13:03] <MooDoo> esxi is fine use that ;) lol
[13:03] <mungbean> nah
[13:03] <directhex> ganeti.
[13:04] <diddledan> what about playing with the completely unknown proxmox?
[13:04] <mungbean> openstack is too immature
[13:04] <mungbean> unknown stuff is a nope
[13:05] <diddledan> http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Main_Page
[13:14] <Myrtti> I'm having a slow day but didn't there use to be ready made Debian and/or Ubuntu KVM/Qemu disk images at one point somewhere in the tinternet?
[13:17] <Myrtti> hm, I think this might work
[13:24] <diddledan> Myrtti: guest or host?
[13:24] <Myrtti> guest
[13:24] <diddledan> there was once upon a time the jeos ubuntu release
[13:24] <Myrtti> I'm reading this one http://agiliq.com/blog/2012/07/using-ubuntu-cloud-images-in-kvm/
[13:24] <diddledan> or just enough operating system
[13:24] <diddledan> afaik it never made it past 10.04 though
[13:26] <mungbean> anyone used cloudstack?
[13:29]  * popey wanders off to his codeclub
[14:44] <ali1234> anyone else noticed that the forward mouse button doesn't work any more?
[14:45] <bigcalm> Forward mouse button?
[14:45] <bigcalm> Oh, in a browser
[14:45] <bigcalm> Works for me in 13.04 with everything up to date
[14:45] <ali1234> yeah or file manager
[14:45] <ali1234> and yeah i'm on 13.10
[14:46] <ali1234> with evtest it sends no events at all
[14:46] <ali1234> back still works fine, sends button 4
[14:47] <bigcalm> Got another mouse that you can test with?
[14:50] <ali1234> no
[14:50] <ali1234> i could test the mouse on another computer though
[14:52] <diddledan> that won't rule out the mouse being the problem
[14:52] <ali1234> yes it would?
[14:53] <diddledan> if it doesn't work in t'other pc how do you determine it's the fault of the mouse over the fault of the software or vice versa?
[14:53] <diddledan> all you'd know is the mouse don't work in two places
[14:53] <ali1234> well if i tried another mouse and it didn't work then it could be two broken mice
[14:54] <diddledan> that's less likely
[14:54] <ali1234> the thing is that these scenarios are highly unlikely
[14:54] <diddledan> ideally you'd test two mice in two pcs
[14:55] <diddledan> if all four scenarios don't work then it's likely to be software
[14:55] <ali1234> it's the mouse :/
[14:55] <ali1234> if i press the button rrreeeeeeally hard it works
[14:55] <diddledan> that's a very male thing to do - if it doesn't work push it harder
[14:55] <ali1234> ok now i need to get a new microswitch
[14:56] <diddledan> many is the time that a husband gets looked at by his missus for standing two inches from the telly pushing the remote button as hard as he can
[14:56] <mgdm> I find it's usually the other way around
[14:57] <ali1234> nah when the remote doesn't work you have to take the batteries out and switch them over
[14:57] <diddledan> well either way is funny :-p
[14:57] <ali1234> after blowing on them
[14:57] <diddledan> o_O
[15:08] <bigcalm> That reminds me that I need to buy a new fibreglass pen, thanks :)
[17:24] <mungbean> shhh
[19:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: fibreglass pen wouldn't that be a bit rough on the skin
[19:16] <ali1234> davmor2: that's the idea, yes
[19:17] <ali1234> it's a propelling pencil with a fibreglass tip for cleaning PCB pads and so on
[19:22] <ali1234> what was the name of that game where you control 9 characters at the same time?
[19:22] <ali1234> it was something like 9rogue
[19:40] <bigcalm> davmor2_: a fibreglass pen is useful to clean the battery contacts in a remote control when said batteries have leaked and corroded
[19:51] <bigcalm> Quiet night
[19:51] <ali1234> i found it. it was ro9
[21:06] <angryziber> #darktable
[21:09] <diddledan> lightchair
[21:10] <diddledan> dimstool
[21:10] <Darael> invisibledesk
[21:11] <diddledan> brightbookcase
[21:11] <Darael> brilliantsofa
[21:11] <Darael> shadylamp
[21:11] <diddledan> lol
[21:11] <Darael> luminescentbed
[21:12] <Darael> ...I'm running out of furniture in here to concatenate with lighting-descriptors, I confess.
[21:12] <diddledan> me too
[22:32] <Azelphur> never set up a mail server before, does anyone have any particular recommendations?
[22:32] <Azelphur> My VPS seems to have shipped with exim4 installed, will that do the job well?
[22:32] <bigcalm> That'll send SMTP


[00:19] <zancomputer> Hello?
[00:19] <Shipthead> Any beautiful women online?
[00:20] <Shipthead> hello rav81
[00:20] <rav81> hi
[00:22] <Shipthead> :-p


[08:47] <NRWlion> good morning / day / afternoon /night (what ever TZ you are in ;) )
[10:21] <NRWlion> hoi MrChrisDruif at least one time i have been here before you :D :p
[10:22] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, alright with me
[10:23]  * NRWlion is watching "Firehouse Dog"
[13:05] <NRWlion> a beautiful good day from sunny germany ;)
[14:17] <NRWlion> howdy
[15:28] <NRWlion> hi jpverdoorn
[15:34] <jpverdoorn> NRWlion: hey there!
[15:39] <NRWlion> jpverdoorn: how is it going?
[16:05] <jpverdoorn> NRWlion: I'm great :) yourself?
[16:06] <NRWlion> jpverdoorn: weather is a little bit freaky (too hot :) )
[16:06] <NRWlion> but i am doing fine
[16:06] <jpverdoorn> sweet
[16:06] <jpverdoorn> I read about the Ubuntu News Weekly making a re-start
[16:06] <jpverdoorn> so I decided to hop in here and see what's going down ;)
[16:07] <jpverdoorn> maybe see if I could lend a hand in some point in the future
[16:18] <NRWlion> jpverdoorn: sure, we could use every hand we could get
[16:19] <NRWlion> we are still in the "re-start" process but i am sure we will find a place for you
[16:19] <NRWlion> any questions? well then shoot ;)
[16:20] <jpverdoorn> NRWlion: well, first of all, how's it going to be released? Plain text, website or PDF? Something else entirely?
[16:22] <NRWlion> as you can see we have a newsletter
[16:23] <NRWlion> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies/SuggestedHowToEdit << this might explain a little bit more
[16:23] <NRWlion> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewsTeam << and this might also be handy
[16:32] <NRWlion> jpverdoorn: if you need me, just ping me. i have to work
[17:55] <NRWlion> jpverdoorn: still there?
[18:25] <jpverdoorn> NRWlion: Yea, sorry I was having dinner :)
[18:25] <NRWlion> jpverdoorn: hope it was delicious ;)
[18:26] <jpverdoorn> NRWlion: it was quite good actually, thanks!
[18:27] <NRWlion> my dinner is quite liquid with 28 degrees outside i dont like to eat
[18:28] <jpverdoorn> I know what you mean, luckily today was a bit cooler than the past couple of days
[18:28] <NRWlion> had any change reading the links i gave you?
[18:29] <jpverdoorn> yes I did, actually
[18:29] <jpverdoorn> quite helpfull, thanks
[18:30] <NRWlion> any questions left?
[18:30] <NRWlion> ;)
[18:31] <jpverdoorn> not really I think, there's quite a lot of info on the workflow in the wiki :)
[18:31] <jpverdoorn> do you know if you need any dutch translators? seems like a convenient place to start
[18:32] <NRWlion> jpverdoorn: well honestly i have no overview about translations
[18:32] <NRWlion> but i started my "career" here at the "upcoming events" section which need to be updated weekly
[18:33] <NRWlion> maybe this could be an alternative for you
[18:34] <jpverdoorn> alright, that seems like a good start :)
[18:35] <pleia2> the plan is to send a translation-ready version to the ubuntu-translators team on saturday evenings
[18:35] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
[18:36] <pleia2> I thought we were doing a release this weekend, but no word from akgraner so it looks like we aren't doing it for this one
[18:36] <NRWlion> pleia2: have you had a chance to read through my proposal regarding the re-launch?
[18:37] <pleia2> NRWlion: the intro you sent to the list, or..?
[18:38] <NRWlion> pleia2: yes, this one i meant
[18:38] <NRWlion> havent had any feedback so i was wondering if i might have done sth. wrong
[18:39] <pleia2> NRWlion: I think we've all just been busy and akgraner is really leading this effort :)
[18:39] <NRWlion> pleia2: understood
[18:40] <NRWlion> but i havent heard anything since my mail so i was just thinking ...
[18:40] <pleia2> yeah, I'm still waiting on some replies from akgraner as well
[18:41] <pleia2> you didn't do anything wrong :)
[18:41] <NRWlion> i would be interested in your opinion about it as well ;)
[18:41]  * pleia2 falls into the "has been busy" category
[18:41] <NRWlion> pleia2: understood
[18:41] <pleia2> but I'll try to look at it soon
[18:41] <NRWlion> well i can wait
[18:41] <NRWlion> ;)
[18:41] <NRWlion> no rush because of a newbie ;)
[18:42] <pleia2> well we don't want you to lose enthusiasm!
[18:42]  * pleia2 back to server reinstallation project
[18:42] <NRWlion> pleia2: good luck
[18:43] <NRWlion> and regarding the enthusiam: no worries you wont get rid of me in an easy way ... promised ;)
[18:54] <akgraner> release will happen on Wednesday - just a day late...had some personal matters that needed attending this weekend...you all can go forward...please please don't wait on me - pleia2 I looked over the wiki - will comment this evening when I get through one more interview
[18:55] <akgraner> well at least the plan was to release it wed...we (me) just missed the hard freeze deadline...and due to other matters that had to be taken care off - I'm working on that stuff now
[18:56]  * NRWlion remains in standby-position until further instruction
[18:56] <NRWlion> btw hi akgraner hope your weekend wasnt too hard
[18:58] <akgraner> NRWlion, thanks.... and I'll reply to your email as soon as I can....
[18:58] <akgraner> bbiab
[18:58] <NRWlion> akgraner: as i told you personally: you have sooo much work here. i can wait
[18:58] <NRWlion> i am just a newbie ;)
[21:57] <NRWlion> howdy


[06:11]  * tsimonq2 yawns
[06:11] <tsimonq2> three day weekend! :D
[06:27] <pleia2> oh good, you can edit UWN :)
[06:39] <svij> tsimonq2: five days "weekend" :P
[06:40] <svij> and good morning all
[06:40] <tsimonq2> evening pleia2 :D
[06:40] <tsimonq2> morning svij :)
[06:41] <tsimonq2> pleia2: why are you up so late? O__o :P
[06:41] <tsimonq2> and yes blah I'll do UWN now since you caught me (was gointg to do it tomorrow)
[06:43]  * svij listens to his voice in a podcast /o\
[06:43] <svij> https://linuxluddites.com/shows/episode-86/
[06:43] <svij> 38:04 about UbuCon europe with mhall :)
[07:00] <dholbach> hey hey
[07:00] <svij> hey dholbach
[07:00] <dholbach> hey svij
[07:03] <tsimonq2> morning dholbach :)
[07:03] <dholbach> hey tsimonq2
[07:03] <tsimonq2> how are you dholbach?
[07:04] <dholbach> doing all right - how about you?
[07:04] <svij> hey dpm
[07:04] <tsimonq2> great :)
[07:11] <dpm> good morning all
[07:24] <svij> dpm: I've updated the schedule a bit (scheduled the talks with still missing talks) and also updated the registration form. Would be good if we could publish that today
[07:25] <tsimonq2> o/ dpm :)
[07:43] <svij> dpm: anyway, I have to go for now. I hope we can finish that today.
[07:43] <dpm> thanks svij
[09:04] <Mister_Q> morning o/
[16:03] <dholbach> all right, I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!


[07:15] <ducasse> good morning all
[08:19] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:27] <ducasse> \o
[08:28] <lordievader> Hey ducasse, how are you?
[08:28] <ducasse> good thanks, sitting here with a cup of chai. and you?
[08:28] <lordievader> Doing good, sitting with a cup of coffee.
[08:29] <ducasse> caffeine, the breakfast of champions.
[08:44] <lordievader> Hahaha
[08:44] <lordievader> Yes
[08:50] <ducasse> it's totally necessary for my brain to start cooperating, at least :)
[13:27] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:52] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj - how's life?
[13:56] <BluesKaj> hi ducasse , good thanks, and yoo ?
[13:57] <ducasse> same :) just ordered another monitor - http://aoc-europe.com/en/products/i2475pxqu
[14:04] <BluesKaj> yes, looks like a nice monitor
[14:06] <ducasse> ips panel, and has gotten good reviews. i know very little about monitors, but the place i buy from promised me i'd be happy with this. soon heading over to the neighbors to teach them how to use a mac :)
[14:38] <BluesKaj> ok , ducasse, good luck :-)
[16:59] <EriC^^> ikonia: maybe we can get him to understand his juvenile ways are stupid
[17:00] <EriC^^> i worry all he really has to do is upload a .php file that will give him a shell
[17:01] <EriC^^> and if the system is dirt old unmaintained he could do some damage easily
[17:02] <DArqueBishop> EriC^^: if I felt like continuing the discussion, I would point out that every single place I've worked at would immediately fire anyone who tried to pull a stunt like he's trying to pull.
[17:03] <DArqueBishop> However, the entitlement is strong with him.
[17:03] <EriC^^> yeah it sounds like he's a teenager trying to get into trouble
[17:04] <EriC^^> that place must suck though
[17:04] <EriC^^> military, no electronics, no internet on pc's, damn..
[17:05] <brunch875> I got late to the party... what is he trying to pull?
[17:06] <EriC^^> he has a file browser, and he wants a shell
[17:06] <EriC^^> and apparently has plans to try to get root from his "computer expert" friends
[17:06] <DArqueBishop> He has limited access to a school provided and maintained system and wants to get root access.
[17:06] <brunch875> yikes
[17:06] <DArqueBishop> ... without the permission of those who actually admin the system, mind.
[17:06] <EriC^^> it's a military boarding school, and he isn't allowed to have electronics in his room
[17:07] <brunch875> ... and to think I was worried to use putty in a library...


[18:54] <seiflotfy> hey guys
[19:24] <elacheche_anis> hey seiflotfy :)
[19:34] <seiflotfy> ashams: my love
[19:34] <seiflotfy> :D
[19:35] <ashams> seiflotfy, hey sweat heart :P
[19:35] <ashams> :D
[19:35] <seiflotfy> how r u
[19:35] <ashams> are you in egypt so far?
[19:35] <ashams> fine ya basha
[19:35] <ashams> u?
[19:35] <seiflotfy> i am in germany
[19:35] <seiflotfy> hzacking
[19:35] <seiflotfy> i am fine
[19:35] <ashams> cool
[19:35] <seiflotfy> kinda adpoted a new developer teaching him how to actually hack zeitggeist
[19:35] <seiflotfy> he is very promising
[19:35] <ashams> woooooohoooo
[19:36] <ashams> that would be cool
[19:36] <ashams> are u mentoring him on a ML?
[19:37] <ashams> can you ask him/her if I can get it then put into some doc or intro to developing into zg?
[19:37] <seiflotfy> no i am mentoring him on irc
[19:37] <seiflotfy> giving him small tasks
[19:38] <seiflotfy> he has however good knowledge of c++ and c
[19:38] <seiflotfy> which makes my life easy
[19:38] <seiflotfy> but yeah
[19:38] <seiflotfy> sounds like a good idea
[19:38] <seiflotfy> maybe he can start a blog
[19:38] <seiflotfy> :D
[19:38] <ashams> cool dude
[19:38] <ashams> finally I can help :D
[19:39] <seiflotfy> Boy asks, "Granny, have you seen my pills, they're marked LSD". Granny replies, "F*ck the pills, have u seen the dragon in the kitchen?!"
[19:40] <ashams> hahaha
[19:41] <ashams> dude, do you still want to make that conference fossdAm or fosscon?
[19:41] <ashams> we can make a use of it to start an ngo
[19:41] <ashams> woohoo 2 helghareeb helghareeb_ cool :D
[19:43] <elacheche_anis> ashams & seiflotfy I was thinking that we are the only team that we have lovers XD but I think that you have lovers too :p :p XD
[19:44] <seiflotfy> ashams: why do we need an ngo
[19:44] <seiflotfy> ?
[19:44] <ashams> elacheche_anis, coll sweetie :P
[19:44] <ashams> seiflotfy, it's hard to collect donations
[19:44] <ashams> we're not legal entity
[19:44] <seiflotfy> ashams: uhm u dont want donations
[19:44] <seiflotfy> u want events that get payed for you
[19:44] <seiflotfy> :D
[19:44] <ashams> exactly
[19:45] <ashams> that's what I was thinking about
[19:45] <seiflotfy> so no neeed for ngo
[19:45] <seiflotfy> if we do fosdam we dont need to be an entity
[19:45] <ashams> seiflotfy, no, dude we need donations
[19:45] <seiflotfy> we get in contact with a uni who will donate us space
[19:45] <seiflotfy> donate us space
[19:46] <ashams> so what about cds
[19:46] <ashams> stickers
[19:46] <ashams> t-shirts
[19:46] <seiflotfy> this is ubuntu related
[19:46] <seiflotfy> not fosdam
[19:46] <ashams> aha
[19:46] <ashams> that what I was asking about
[19:46] <ashams> is ubuntu related to fossdam
[19:46] <seiflotfy> i dont think there are any ubuntu ngos
[19:46] <ashams> but clearly not
[19:47] <ashams> yes, there's none
[19:47] <seiflotfy> fosdam (one s)
[19:47] <seiflotfy> fosdam should allow all open source
[19:47] <seiflotfy> and not only encourage ubuntu
[19:47] <seiflotfy> so we want mozilla ppl
[19:47] <seiflotfy> we want gnome ppl
[19:47] <seiflotfy> kde
[19:47] <seiflotfy> not only ubuntu related stuff
[19:47] <ashams> yes, and that ngo not necessarily ubuntu
[19:48] <ashams> maybe a branch of FSF
[19:48] <ashams> for egypt
[19:48] <ashams> not only for ubuntu ofcourse
[19:48] <seiflotfy> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm fsf and osi not the same thing
[19:48] <seiflotfy> imho opinion no need for an ngo
[19:49] <seiflotfy> what will we do with the money
[19:49] <seiflotfy> get ubutu-shirts
[19:49] <seiflotfy> not the ngos repsonsibility
[19:49] <seiflotfy> the ngo could donate to ubuntu-eg
[19:49] <ashams> no, it's illegal
[19:49] <ashams> self-fund or no money
[19:50] <ashams> and self-fund is scarse
[19:50] <ashams> scarce
[19:50] <seiflotfy> an egyptian ngo cant donate to ubuntu-eg
[19:50] <seiflotfy> ?
[19:50] <ashams> not enough money
[19:50] <ashams> yes, it can't
[19:50] <seiflotfy> wtf
[19:50] <seiflotfy> who came up with this rule
[19:50] <seiflotfy> ?
[19:50] <ashams> we have no identity at all
[19:50] <ashams> it's illegal dude
[19:50] <ashams> I hate egyptian law
[19:51] <seiflotfy> ashams: yeah but it could donate the shirt
[19:51] <seiflotfy> as in print the shirts and send the mto ppl who request it
[19:51] <ashams> they usually print their logo biger than ubuntu-eg's
[19:51] <ashams> bigger*
[19:52] <ashams> on the same shirt
[19:52] <ashams> :)
[19:52] <seiflotfy> yeah i can take care of that
[19:52] <seiflotfy> :D
[19:53] <ashams> so, the idea is to make some hub to collect funds to help all FL/OSS movements in egypt
[19:53] <ashams> :-)
[19:54] <seiflotfy> having floss movement depend on funds at an early stage is dangerous
[19:54] <seiflotfy> first we need better functioning communities and deployments
[19:54] <seiflotfy> then we get money to try to maintain the deployments
[19:54] <ashams> we almost have this in ubuntu eg
[19:55] <ashams> right
[19:55] <seiflotfy> getting money to expand is dangeoures in the sense that it makes expansion dependant on funds
[19:55] <seiflotfy> which shouldnt be
[19:55] <seiflotfy> this would lead the equation of no funds == no expansion
[19:56] <seiflotfy> first thign we need is to teach ppl to use irc
[19:56] <seiflotfy> :D
[19:56] <ashams> haha :D
[19:56] <seiflotfy> but having a central hub for FOSS in egypt does make sense though
[19:56] <ashams> why so?
[19:57] <seiflotfy> such an entity can represent at confernces
[19:57] <ashams> man, finance is our only problem
[19:57] <ashams> how you think we can fix it?
[19:58] <seiflotfy> be part of ubuntu and gnome
[19:58] <seiflotfy> this will fix it for you
[19:58] <ashams> we are already
[19:58] <seiflotfy> as part of ubutnu and gnome i get my shirts and shit payed for
[19:58] <seiflotfy> but yes i agree
[19:58] <seiflotfy> u r right
[19:58] <seiflotfy> an entitiy is a good idea
[19:59] <seiflotfy> as long as it sperates itself from ubuntu-eg and others in terms of interest
[19:59] <ashams> the step-council is about to launch the new structure, so it seemed that ubutnu-eg have reached some good status to get funds
[19:59] <seiflotfy> and work on the local education on open source
[19:59] <ashams> yeah
[19:59] <ashams> that's it
[19:59] <ashams> ppl graduate form schools with no thing
[19:59] <seiflotfy> if you guys want shirt tell me how much it will cose
[19:59] <ashams> lamers
[19:59] <seiflotfy> cost
[19:59] <seiflotfy> i will look into getting canonical pay them for you guys
[20:00] <ashams> seriously?
[20:00] <ashams> that would be cool
[20:00] <ashams> but, I think we need to focus on an ngo more
[20:00] <ashams> to fix it forever
[20:01] <seiflotfy> ashams: it wont fix it forever
[20:01] <seiflotfy> right now u want money for ubuntu-shirts and ubutnu-eg related thing
[20:02] <seiflotfy> then lets get ubuntu to sponsor it for us
[20:02] <ashams> aha
[20:02] <seiflotfy> ashams: the entity itself will not represent ubuntu-eg
[20:03] <seiflotfy> entity being the ngo
[20:03] <ashams> and about future....? we'll need more soon, ppl join everyday and we'll ned more and more
[20:03] <ashams> need*
[20:03] <ashams> it's continuous work
[20:03] <seiflotfy> ashams: getting shirts is not really something we need to be concerned of
[20:03] <seiflotfy> there are bigger issues
[20:03] <seiflotfy> education
[20:04] <ashams> aha
[20:04] <seiflotfy> what does a shirt say about some1
[20:04] <seiflotfy> i have a mozilla shirt
[20:04] <seiflotfy> doesnt make me a mozilla guy
[20:04] <seiflotfy> i have a kde shirt too
[20:04] <ashams> it's important for expansion
[20:04] <seiflotfy> no its not
[20:04] <ashams> to get ppl know about it
[20:05] <seiflotfy> important for expansion is goign to events and talking
[20:05] <ashams> events need money too
[20:05] <seiflotfy> going to universities and actually formatting pcs to use ubuntu :P
[20:05] <seiflotfy> ashams: eventy dont need money
[20:05] <seiflotfy> ashams: events need ppl to donate their time
[20:05] <seiflotfy> and space
[20:06] <seiflotfy> ashams: you shouldnt go ask an uni if you can rent its rooms for ubuntu-eg stuff
[20:06] <seiflotfy> look for the unis that will donate the rooms for you
[20:06] <seiflotfy> and make u not pay
[20:06] <seiflotfy> avoid money transaction
[20:06] <ashams> manoura university ets ~2000 for one conf room :(
[20:06] <ashams> gets*
[20:06] <ashams> one day
[20:06] <seiflotfy> then fuck them
[20:06] <ashams> horible
[20:07] <ashams> so we need money
[20:07] <seiflotfy> i can talk to CAiro Uni
[20:07] <seiflotfy> no u dont
[20:07] <ashams> and self-fund can't take it
[20:07] <seiflotfy> ashams: wanna bet that i can get a uni to donate rooms for us
[20:07] <seiflotfy> without us having to pay anything
[20:07] <ashams> yes
[20:07] <ashams> yes
[20:07] <seiflotfy> because i started talking to cairo uni
[20:07] <seiflotfy> :D
[20:08] <ashams> for fossdam?
[20:08] <seiflotfy> its fosdam
[20:08] <seiflotfy> one s
[20:08] <seiflotfy> abotu the idea of a open source conf
[20:08] <ashams> haha ok
[20:08] <seiflotfy> talked to some professorts there
[20:08] <ashams> yes
[20:09] <seiflotfy> so if a uni wants you to pay them money to give a talk about something non profit then feel free to tell them to go fuck themselves
[20:09] <seiflotfy> find unis that wont ask for money
[20:09] <ashams> :D
[20:10] <ashams> cool, will try to
[20:10] <seiflotfy> ok i gtg
[20:10] <seiflotfy> need to get some stuff done here
[20:10] <seiflotfy> :D
[20:10] <ashams> ok bye dude
[20:10] <seiflotfy> ttyl
[20:10] <seiflotfy> bye


[09:38] <AlanBell> menus work today \o/
[09:40] <AlanBell> the menus are all called "window" but the menu options are spoken
[09:40] <Fudge> hows hud accessibility
[09:41] <AlanBell> not there at all in 3d
[09:42] <AlanBell> in 2d it reads what you type in the box called shell filler, there are 5 push buttons below but no indication of what they contain
[09:56] <fregl> AlanBell: so menus in unity 2d are fixed but read as wrong type (window)?
[09:56] <AlanBell> the root items are all "window"
[09:56] <AlanBell> rather than "file", "edit", "help" etc
[09:57] <fregl> oh, so they have the wrong name... hm, I don't know what unity does and I don't have it installed. could be that the top part is QML and the menus are then usual qwidget menus below
[09:58] <AlanBell> same for unity 3d and unity 2d
[09:59] <AlanBell> in unity3d the top panel is in the NUX layer which is kind of outside of compiz
[10:01] <AlanBell> yeah, the menus that drop down are inside the scope of compiz, they get zoomed by enhanced zoom and become detached from the top bar
[10:02] <fregl> AlanBell: my changes only affect 2d and only indirectly... normal Qt menus are unbroken is important for me right now :D
[10:02] <AlanBell> ok :)
[10:02] <AlanBell> I think I will do some more video screencasting later
[10:19] <popey> AlanBell: AIUI there should be a Unity 2D release today
[10:19] <popey> with multi-monitor improvements
[10:20] <popey> AlanBell: I would recommend some testing of 2d when it comes out, I wouldn't focus too much on 3D as it's not going to get the a11y love that 2d will/does
[10:28] <AlanBell> popey: did that smoke test document come in handy?
[10:38] <popey> yes
[10:50] <popey> unity-2d release should be in an hour or two
[21:28]  * AlanBell spots a unity-greeter update, but no unity2d
[21:28] <AlanBell> popey: was that a release just to the PPA?
[21:28] <AlanBell> oh, I am pointing at the PPA, maybe I had it already
[21:36] <AlanBell> no observable change to unity-greeter :( still reads passwords and doesn't allow use of onboard
[21:37] <AlanBell> launcher and quicklists in unity2d work acceptably
[22:38] <popey> AlanBell: Unity 2D didnt release today, should be monday. There were some major issues with it.
[23:42] <AlanBell> ok


[22:28] <Obsidian1723> video from inside the Metrodome as the roof fell... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh5iE5FA84g&feature=player_embedded nice.
[22:39] <MaddogF16> Cool
[22:43] <Obsidian1723> whatta trip eh?
[22:46] <MaddogF16> Glad no one was in there
[22:47] <tonyyarusso> MaddogF16: There is one guy that you can see running off the field actually.
[22:47] <tonyyarusso> Far side, heads to the right.
[22:49] <MaddogF16> Have to look again
[22:49] <MaddogF16> Nephew said 21" in Shakopee
[22:50] <MaddogF16> I'm down in SE MN and got just 14"
[22:52] <tonyyarusso> Yes, Shakopee reported 21.5", Oakdale 20".
[22:52] <MaddogF16> Nuts
[22:52] <MaddogF16> Global warming I gues
[22:52] <MaddogF16> guess
[22:53] <tonyyarusso> Pretty much.  We can expect more extremes of all kinds here in the Twin Cities over the next few years.
[22:53] <tonyyarusso> 17.1" was the airport official number.
[22:54] <MaddogF16> Noticing more twisters now
[22:54] <tonyyarusso> Yeah - 2010 was a record year, and Minnesota pulled off the unusual feat of being the state with the most, beating out the usual kings of Kansas and such.
[22:55] <MaddogF16> The river is a fault line, suppose that's next
[22:56] <tonyyarusso> um, no it's not.
[22:59] <MaddogF16> Down south around TN, was just having fun about around here.  http://www.scchealth.org/docs/ems/docs/prepare/newmadrid.html
[23:00] <tonyyarusso> oh, I thought you meant here
[23:02] <MaddogF16> Naw, just thinking of what other things could go nuts with Mother Nature. :-O


[13:45] <marcoceppi> I'm back
[14:47] <amithkk> marcoceppi: You have a question to answer
[14:48] <amithkk> Oh, you answered <3
[17:03] <ihashacks> Ok, so after a few weeks of working with Juju + LXC I've decided to step it up to EC2 testing.
[17:04] <ihashacks> I did my bootstrap but just get tons of "ERROR Invalid SSH key" in "status" or "debug-log"
[17:04] <ihashacks> All I've found on web searches are a lot of "wait longer," "destroy-environment and try again," and "make sure you have the ssh-keygen setup"
[17:06] <ihashacks> I know I have my ssh keys setup and working properly, "destroy-environment and try again" seems silly and I don't know how much "wait longer" I need.
[17:12] <ihashacks> ...except that now the local .ssh/ is empty O_o
[17:14] <marcoceppi> ihashacks: destroy the environment, re-run ssh-keygen, bootstrap, try again?
[17:16] <ihashacks> ...trying
[17:16] <ihashacks> I *know* those damn ssh keys were there at first because you get an error about keys not found if you try to run juju w/o them
[19:49] <SpamapS> ihashacks: are you getting errors because you don't have a *known* key for the instances?
[19:49] <SpamapS> ihashacks: thats something different entirely
[20:18] <lamont> the laptop actually made it home this morning... I'll fetch it from the car shortly
[20:19] <SpamapS> ihashacks: it would help if you paste binned the errors
[20:19] <lamont> bah. ECHAN
[22:54] <ihashacks> SpamapS: series of events 1) run "juju bootstrap" 2) edit environments.yaml 3) run "juju bootstrap" (receive error about missing SSH keys) 4) run ssh-keygen 5) this time "juju bootstrap" completes, node in ec2 running 6) "juju status" received "ERROR Invalid SSH key"
[22:55] <ihashacks> 7) destroy-environment and start over
[22:55] <ihashacks> ^^^ worked
[22:55] <SpamapS> ihashacks: interesting
[22:55] <SpamapS> ihashacks: I'd be interested to see that ssh key error
[22:57] <ihashacks> I guess juju warned about SSH key, bootstrapped anyways, then when I tried to run "status" it obviously didn't have a key in the running image for me to authenticate with
[22:58] <SpamapS> *ahhh*
[22:58] <ihashacks> and the error received was the generic "you don't have ssh keys" message when you run juju before ssh-keygen
[23:00] <ihashacks> I did notice an interesting "bug" perhaps in ec2-zone constraints. I set "ec2-zone=a" for a mysql server, the node shows in "juju status" but nothing was ever loaded in ec2
[23:00] <ihashacks> My dashboard in AWS only shows zones b,c,d for me which is why I think it didn't actually "work" in ec2
[23:00] <ihashacks> I haven't started with a fresh environment since that issue earlier to confirm that I can repeat the issue.
[23:00] <marcoceppi> ihashacks: those aren't the same zones I don't think
[23:01] <marcoceppi> nevermind, I'm confusing regions with zones
[23:01] <ihashacks> ec2-zone=b and c had the desired result
[23:12] <SpamapS> ihashacks: Sounds like the provider should use the describeAvailabilityZones call to validate your constraints
[23:13] <SpamapS> ihashacks: there's a bug to have constraints be pre-checked at some point.
[23:13] <SpamapS> ihashacks: most likely the provisioning agent was spewing errors once per minute
[23:21] <ihashacks> This one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/984640
[23:21] <_mup_> Bug #984640: Unsatisfied constraints are not reported back to the user <juju:Confirmed> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/984640 >
[23:21] <ihashacks> ?
[23:21] <_mup_> Bug #984640: Unsatisfied constraints are not reported back to the user <juju:Confirmed> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/984640 >


[07:35] <lurch_> hi, having an issue with stopping a service through upstart on ubuntu. The app is a very basic sinatra server that listens on some port. Starting goes fine, i can access the service, but there's a problem with restarting/stopping the service. One process stays running, which keeps the  port in use. Here's the output i get for the commands: http://pastebin.com/k9hdNJLE
[07:41] <jodh> lurch_: you've probably mis-specified (or not specified) the 'expect' stanza: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#expect
[07:43] <lurch_> jodh: thx. let me look at that
[07:44] <jodh> lurch_: after starting your job, try running 'status app01' and checking that the pid shown is correct (confirm it using 'ps'). If not, it's an expect issue.
[07:50] <lurch_> jodh: the status command isn't showing any pids
[07:50] <lurch_> # status app01
[07:50] <lurch_> app01 start/running
[07:52] <jodh> lurch_: right, so I suspect your daemon forks either once or twice, but you haven't added an 'expect' to allow Upstart to track the forks.
[07:52] <lurch_> thx. added an 'expect fork' now, testing
[07:58] <lurch_> added the 'expect fork' (and also tried 'expect daemon'), but then the start / stop just hangs. Must be doing something stupid, but not that familiar with upstart. Here's the config: http://pastebin.com/RuUwyn8A
[08:00] <lurch_> the upstart scripts are generated by 'foreman'
[08:00] <jodh> lurch_: don't add respawn until you are 100% convinced that you've got the rest of the config correct as it will just cause confusion.
[08:00] <lurch_> ok
[08:03] <jodh> lurch_: also, you can simplify that exec line by doing 'setuid app' and 'chdir /opt/apps/app01'. Note too that you may be able to get rid of all that redirection since Upstart will automatically log all output to stdout/stderr to /var/log/upstart/app01.log.
[08:04] <jodh> lurch_: Um. where is $PORT being defined? I suspect that might be the cause of your problem.
[08:05] <jodh> lurch_: either set it via 'env PORT=1234' or pass in via command line 'start app01 PORT=1234' or source your apps config file as shown here: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#sourcing-files
[08:06] <lurch_> jodh: ok, i'll try that. thx
[20:23] <aaronlevy> I'm having trouble with restarts of a python process that spawns other worker processes.
[20:24] <aaronlevy> The process cant have 2 instances of itself running because a socket will already be in use by the other process. What seems to be happening is that upstart is re-starting the process before it has actually stopped the original (the parent will not exit until all children have completed their work).
[20:25] <aaronlevy> Using start/stop works fine. Restart, however, will periodically cause the above to happen and then the process never exits, but upstart reports that is is not running
[20:26] <ion> Add something like kill timeout 300
[20:26] <ion> Or whatever number makes sense.
[20:27] <aaronlevy> Hmm. I mean, shouldn't it track the PID of the parent process?
[20:28] <ion> yes
[20:28] <ion> But it sends SIGKILL if it doesn’t terminate in a certain number of seconds after SIGTERM.
[20:28] <aaronlevy> Then just assumes it is closed?
[20:29] <ion> SIGKILL kills it for good, so the process won’t exist anymore.
[20:29] <aaronlevy> Hmm.. but the process is still there (as are the children).
[20:29] <ion> You can also add a pre-stop exec/script if the server provides a command that tells it to stop and waits until it does.
[20:29] <ion> huh
[20:30] <aaronlevy> no re respawns either. Let me double check that it is the same as originating pid
[20:33] <aaronlevy> So the zombie process is not the same PID as what restart reports
[21:25] <aaronlevy> I made a stub of my actual program that re-creates the issue. https://gist.github.com/7cf1c9ef87a50ef08c9c (requires pyzmq)
[21:25] <aaronlevy> and upstart conf: https://gist.github.com/ecc65af894d72c91cecb
[21:26] <aaronlevy> repeatedly restarting the service quickly will cause it to get an error because the socket is still in use. Upstart will report the process as stopped, but there will be a zombie process (doing nothing)
[21:27] <aaronlevy> This is probably a mistake on my part, but I'm not sure where :/


[01:15] <daoilman> hello
[02:26] <kunguz> my kubuntu produces 0 kb files with opencv and python
[02:26] <kunguz> cv.write basically does nothing
[03:54] <Spiffy-man> can anyone tell me how to apply this patch to my kernel? I've downloaded linux-source-3.13.0, I just need to figure out the next step. https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/5/30/513
[04:37] <en1gma> hi all. im about ready to get kubuntu but i dont want stable. whats the next one up. i need to get packages that are pre-built like gnuradio 3.7 and gqrx 2.3
[04:40] <en1gma> wow. its quiet in here
[07:14] <soee> good morning
[08:34] <jorgearmendariz> Mounting my windows drive on my Ubuntu machine will not reformat it? Could I be able to mv files into my windows from my linux once its mounted. Sorry for such a basic question, but I was wondering if it works the same as external hard drives.
[08:35] <hateball> jorgearmendariz: Yes, it should work just fine assuming it is ntfs and no encrypted
[08:35] <jorgearmendariz> hateball: appreciate it
[08:58] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:11] <Lynoure> I have a weird problem. In digital clock, I can get any other first day of the week to show other than Monday...which seems to default to Sunday instead.
[11:27] <jbruehe> Hi everybody!
[11:29] <jbruehe> Is this a proper place to ask for help when I have trouble with some window behaviour on Kubuntu 14.04 ?
[11:29] <hateball> !ask
[11:30] <jbruehe> Thanks, will do!
[11:33] <jbruehe> New installation of Kubuntu 14.04 on AMD64.  I experimented with "kwin" settings, tried to set fullscreen for Thunderbird - as a result, it had no window decoration and covered even the task bar. I removed that setting in kwin (via "settings"), later the whole entry for thunderbird, but the behaviour persists, even across reboots. Hints are highly appreciated!
[11:34] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:57] <jbruehe> Further Googling helped, led me to "ALT+F3" to change settings in the window even without the titlebar (right-click), there I found another "fullscreen" and unmarked it - problem solved.  Weird that the other "settings" did not lead me to it.
[14:58] <rasp> test
[15:15] <alvin> Aren't there any more recent KDE versions for plasma5 users?
[15:17] <yossarianuk> alvin: what version are you running ?
[15:17] <alvin> yossarianuk: KDE 4.14.2 on plasma5
[15:18] <alvin> No idea where I can find the plasma version. But it has been unchanged since the release of 14.10
[15:18] <alvin> Ah, in System Settings. It's plasma 5.1.1 on Qt 5.3.0
[15:19] <alvin> I see that KDE frameworks 5.6.0 is out, but I have no idea what the relation to plasma is, or to KDE itself for that matter.
[15:20] <arch-kubu> theres a wiki for that
[15:20] <Faalentijn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_Frameworks
[15:20] <Faalentijn> Multiple in face
[15:20] <Faalentijn> s/face/fact/g
[15:22] <alvin> ok, so KDE is split into frameworks, plasma and applications. I know the plasma version, but that's about it.
[15:48] <vov> Hello everyone
[15:49] <Faalentijn> Hello Guest17030!
[15:49] <lordievader> o/
[15:50] <Guest17030> i installed kubuntu 14.04 on lenovo G-500 . everything is ok but kubuntu don't recognize sound card.
[15:50] <Guest17030> i haven't any sound . how i fix it ?
[15:52] <Faalentijn> Did you read this:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[15:52] <Faalentijn> ?
[15:53] <jbruehe> Guest17030: Have you checked Thinkwiki?  That "G 500" is no Thinkpad, so Linux support may be limited, but Thinkwiki might still have some info: http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
[15:53] <lordievader> Guest17030: Is the soundcard detected?
[15:53] <Guest17030> no
[15:54] <lordievader> Guest17030: Does "lspci |grep Audio" return anything?
[15:55] <Guest17030> yes it dose
[15:56] <lordievader> Guest17030: Allright, could you pastebin the output of 'sudo lspci -k|grep -A2 Audio'?
[15:56] <lordievader> !paste | Guest17030
[15:57] <Guest17030> ok
[15:57] <Guest17030> waiting
[15:57] <Guest17030> please
[16:06] <vov_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9731421/
[16:07] <vov_> my speed of Internet is very very bad
[16:10] <vov_> lordievade
[16:10] <vov_> are you there?
[16:13] <arch-kubu> need a link to correct current ppa for vivid plasma 5 updates
[16:17] <lordievader> vov_: Yes.
[16:17] <vov_> i put output your command .
[16:17] <lordievader> vov_: Ah, you are guest17030... There is no driver loaded for your soundcard.
[16:17] <vov_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9731421/
[16:18] <vov_> yes , my connection is disconnect , i reconnect
[16:18] <vov_> yes i am
[16:18] <vov_> now what i do ?
[16:19] <vov_> i installed couple month age this version and it work very well on my laptop .
[16:19] <lordievader> vov_: This might help you: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=103547
[16:21] <vov_> ok i see link , i try it ,
[16:22] <vov_> ok now i reboot kubuntu , i will come back soon
[16:25] <vov_> i'm back
[16:26] <vov_> problem still here.
[16:28] <lordievader> vov_: What is the output of "lsmod|grep snd"?
[16:29] <vov_> nothing
[16:30] <vov_> output this "lsmod|grep snd" is nothing .
[16:32] <lordievader> vov_: Hmm, what happens when you run "sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel"?
[16:33] <vov_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9731808/
[16:34] <lordievader> !info linux-image-generic
[16:35] <lordievader> vov_: What version of kubuntu are you running?
[16:37] <vov_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9731878/
[16:37] <lordievader> !info linux-image-generic trusty
[16:37] <vov_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9731889/
[16:37] <lordievader> vov_: Where did you get the 3.17 kernel from?
[16:38] <vov_> i don't know .
[16:40] <vov_> i installed kubuntu 14.04 on my laptop and i install manual kernel 3.17 but today kubuntu did damage hard and i had to reinstall it from image iso .
[16:40] <vov_> i install new kubuntu
[16:40] <lordievader> vov_: Why did you manually install 3.17?
[16:41] <vov_> i have issue on Intel HD 4000 , and i install kernel 3.17
[16:41] <vov_> maby issue is resolve .
[16:41] <lordievader> vov_: Running a custom kernel is not supported under Ubuntu.
[16:42] <vov_> now what i do ?
[16:42] <nescius__> hi!
[16:42] <vov_> hi
[16:43] <lordievader> vov_: Go back to the original Ubuntu kernel. Or compile your kernel properly.
[16:43] <nescius__> ..sorry vov_, what seems to be the issue?
[16:43] <nescius__> ok
[16:43] <nescius__> QHD display anyone?
[16:45] <vov_> ok
[16:45] <nescius__> yesterday I bought a new notebook with 3860*2100 resolution and realised that KDE is unusable
[16:45] <nescius__> with that resolution
[16:46] <nescius__> ..well, partly, but still better than most other things
[16:46] <nescius__> there is no useable browser or mail client
[16:46] <nescius__> ..without magnifying glass
[16:47] <nescius__> are there any plans on this, or shall I rather return the notebook/install windows?
[16:47] <anthonymalczanek> nescius__, did you try adjusting your DPI settings?
[16:48] <anthonymalczanek> you should be able to adjust them both in KDE and in X, depending on your video chip
[16:48] <anthonymalczanek> https://community.kde.org/KDE/High-dpi_issues
[16:49] <Guest22854> lordievader, i reboot laptop and select kernel 3.13.0-44-generic now everything is work , i have sound .
[16:50] <Guest22854> how remove kernel  3.17
[16:50] <Guest22854> Thanks
[16:50] <anthonymalczanek> Guest22854, you can edit /etc/default/grub and then update-grub
[16:51] <Guest22854> is it dangeres ?
[16:51] <nescius__> anthonymalczanek: of course, but kmail does not respect that in messages, dolphin resizes fonts but text bellow icons are still to small for the text to fit.. etc.
[16:51] <anthonymalczanek> it could be, if you do it incorrectly.
[16:51] <anthonymalczanek> nescius__, did you try overriding the DPI settings in Xorg?
[16:52] <nescius__> nope, dont have any xorg.conf
[16:53] <anthonymalczanek> boot to single user, remoount root as writeable, Xorg -configure from command line, and then save your configuration, add the new DPI settings (edid override and whatnot) and then reboot into X and try it out
[16:53] <lordievader> Guest22854: That depends entirely on how you installed it, I cannot say.
[16:57] <Guest22854> ok thank lordievader
[16:57] <rberg-> I *think* you can add '-dpi ##x##' to the arguments in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc to override
[17:00] <nescius__> I set the DPI in KDE settings, the problem is that it wrongly designed, you will see eventually when you'll get higher screen resolutions yourself
[17:01] <rberg-> I was just looking at those :( bummer they dont look right
[17:03] <nescius__> yes, it looks like a lot of work..
[17:04] <rberg-> http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=159064   this makes it seem that thats true
[17:05] <anthonymalczanek> nescius__, try setting the DPI in X. That should affect all programs
[17:07] <nescius__> anthonymalczanek: I dont have issues with font size anymore, icons are way too small in mozilla, kmail still renders font wrongly.. plasma widgets are also bit bugged when text is already big enough
[17:09] <anthonymalczanek> Okay. I think you might resolve your problem by setting a value in X, even though it may not be entirely to your satisfaction. Otherwise, yeah, there are problems with High DPI curre
[17:09] <nescius__> systemsettings and oxigen theme window decorations contain 16*16 icons which dont honor icon settings
[17:09] <anthonymalczanek> ntly.
[17:09] <anthonymalczanek> Isn't there a high DPI version of the oxygen theme somewhere? I thought I remembered that being a thing..
[17:10] <nescius__> I noticed, the kmail thing is opened since 2012
[17:11] <nescius__> rberg-: thanks! the link looks like a practical solution
[17:11] <rberg-> I think Macs are doing some sort of scaling on high dpi displays too
[17:12] <nescius__> rberg-: no, I just saw one, maybe for some fullscreen apps, but by default it is just set correctly
[17:13] <nescius__> however thats the adventage of centralised development
[18:23] <anthonymalczanek> nescius__, It's true, Macs high DPI displays do some scaling. Look into "device pixel ratio" w/r/t Retina screens and Qt.
[18:45] <nescius__> ..on unrelated note, is qapt actually able to install any package? I found it somewhat buggy, it is able to install all dependencies but never the package itself
[19:09] <john_____> Salut les gros
[19:10] <lordievader> !french | john_____
[19:16] <john_____> oh sorry
[19:16] <john_____> I didn't know about that
[19:16] <john_____> I am gonna speak english only,promise
[19:19] <lordievader> john_____: No worries ;)
[19:36] <Compaq_nc6320> Hi. I have a question, does Kubuntu have spell check like the Unity interface Ububtu.
[19:37] <Brumble> Ubuntu' Typo
[19:52] <redrum1> my way....
[21:01] <ALEX24242> hi


[00:48] <sgtnasty> no meeting then?
[00:48] <JonathanD> Hi.
[00:48] <JonathanD> Are we supposed to have a meeting?
[00:48] <sgtnasty>  its on my cal
[00:48] <JonathanD> Oh.
[00:48] <JonathanD> I see
[00:49] <rmg51> we have meetings?
[00:49] <JonathanD> Theres at least 3 of us here.
[00:49]  * JonathanD raps his gavel
[00:49] <sgtnasty> quorum?
[00:49] <JonathanD> I move that we all switch to windows 8.
[00:49] <JonathanD> All in favour?
[00:50] <sgtnasty> weeee
[00:50]  * teddy-dbear shoots JonathanD
[00:50] <sgtnasty> i bet they move to window 9 soon
[00:50] <sgtnasty> then Windows X
[00:51] <sgtnasty> so we can all be like apples
[00:52] <teddy-dbear> will Microsoft last that long?
[00:52] <sgtnasty> good point
[00:54] <rmg51> MS needs to put an option to boot right to the desktop
[00:54] <JonathanD> rmg51: the win8 desktop?
[00:55] <rmg51> not a fan of Metro
[00:55] <JonathanD> neither am I
[00:56] <sgtnasty> yeah i want to run my laptop like a phone, who's idea was this?
[00:56] <teddy-dbear> wasn't mine
[00:56] <sgtnasty> im not so sure teddy-bear
[00:57] <sgtnasty> stuffed animals = swipe interface
[00:58] <teddy-dbear> if I don't like Unity, what makes you think I would like Metro?
[00:58] <sgtnasty> i want my gnome-panel back :(
[00:59] <rmg51> go to Mint
[00:59]  * adom still runs 10.04 ;)
[00:59] <rmg51> you have to choice of three
[00:59] <adom> for another few months... :(
[01:00] <rmg51> one of them is the "old" Gnome panel
[01:00] <rmg51> for navigation
[01:17] <TCorwin> Hello. Does anyone know any good topics for a presentation on Ubuntu? I'm looking for things that would answer "What is it?" and "How do I get started?" and "How do i use this?". Any help would be appriciated.
[01:42] <JonathanD> hmmm
[02:00] <teddy-dbear> looks like we are done for the night
[02:00] <teddy-dbear> time for me to go back to my very important teddy bear things
[02:00] <teddy-dbear> nite-nite
[02:13]  * InHisName notes that he is still around
[02:31] <mikedep333> hmm, wow
[02:31] <mikedep333> installing routing updates for Fedora 17 upgraded the kernel from 3.5.x to 3.6.x
[02:32] <Sadin> Im so excited to be helping Xubuntu :)
[02:32] <mikedep333> now I know why they call Fedora "Red Hat Unstable"
[02:32] <mikedep333> Sadin, how so?
[02:32] <Sadin> mikedep333 oh i love fedora :P
[02:32] <mikedep333> spreading the love for classic desktop environments?
[02:33] <Sadin> ummmmm mikedep333 well i helpw ith shimmer the people who make the default xubuntu themes and ive been assigned to build a default Xubuntu conky config
[02:33] <mikedep333> yeah, I actually reformatted my home server with CentOS6 when my HDD with Ubuntu 12.04 failed
[02:33]  * mikedep333 googles conky
[02:34] <mikedep333> cool
[02:34] <Sadin> normally i just touch up the icons lol
[09:24] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:24] <JonathanD> hey stump
[09:27] <JonathanD> /249/249
[09:31] <rmg51> Morning
[09:32] <JonathanD> hi rmg51
[09:32] <JonathanD> how goes?
[09:32] <rmg51> o/
[11:13] <waltman> Morning
[11:35] <JonathanD> hey walt
[11:36] <waltman> hey
[11:48] <JonathanD> had a five guys burger last night. Been a while :P
[12:01] <jedijf> JonathanD: they are pretty good - i don't have them enough either it seems
[12:01] <jedijf> morning
[12:02] <JonathanD> jedijf: Gino's out my way is comparable, and has chicken sandwiches with the same "all the fixins" kind of thing.
[12:02] <jedijf> ginos was a let down for me, not like i remember it
[12:03] <jedijf> i wanted the 1970's giant
[12:03] <jedijf> want
[12:03] <jedijf> need
[12:03] <JonathanD> jedijf: my understanding is old-ginos was more of a mcdonalds clone.
[12:03] <JonathanD> But uh, I wasn't there :P
[12:03] <jedijf> i would even take their at the end hero burger
[12:03] <jedijf> the giant was the mac
[12:04] <JonathanD> the giant now is more a five guys clone.
[12:04] <JonathanD> The chicken is really good, though.
[12:04] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples
[12:04] <jedijf> the hero was a buger on a current bk chicken sandwich roll
[12:04] <jedijf> morning
[12:39]  * waltman had a gino's chickem sammich last night :)
[12:40] <waltman> also chicken
[12:40] <waltman> the original giant was more of a big mac clone, but better
[12:52] <JonathanD> waltman: figures. We almost went there, too. :p
[12:53] <JonathanD> waltman: went to five guys across the street in the mall.
[13:41] <waltman> They make a fine chicken sammich.
[14:22] <Samuraialba> good bacon to all!
[14:48] <InHisName> Samuraialba: been to any EpicMealTime web sites lately especially the ones dealing with bacon ?
[15:02] <Samuraialba> not I
[15:55] <JonathanD> waltman: wonder if there is clear access at the library.
[15:57] <waltman> JonathanD: No idea.
[15:57] <JonathanD> I could bring my home box along.
[15:57] <waltman> It's really annoying to me that it's so locked down, because it limits how much work I can get done when I'm there.
[15:57] <JonathanD> and an AP
[15:57] <JonathanD> and we'd have open internet.
[15:58] <waltman> Don't go to too much trouble.
[15:58] <JonathanD> waltman: I get antsy without irc.
[15:58] <waltman> ah :)
[15:59] <waltman> I can still run Colloquy on my phone :)
[15:59] <JonathanD> waltman: it's only a few hundred feet from a tower
[19:32] <TCorwin> Good afternoon everyone! I was wondering, does anyone have any good topics to talk about at a presentation about Ubuntu? I'm hosting a presentation that is open to the public in western PA. There will be some newbies to Ubuntu as well as people who have never heard of Ubuntu. I'm not exactally sure what to talk with them about.
[19:32] <JonathanD> Hey TCorwin
[19:33] <TCorwin> Hello JonathanD
[19:37] <jedijf> TCorwin: seems that you need to start with what is linux - then ways to try linux - then a brief overview of a linux desktop (your choice)
[19:38] <jedijf> how long do you plan your presentation to be?
[19:39] <TCorwin> jedigf, my presentation is approximately 2 hours and the main topic is "Ubuntu 12.04/12.10: What Is It and How Do You Use It?"
[19:41] <jedijf> unfortunately the amount covered is determined by the unknown variable of the attendees, but those 3 parts i mentioned are a good start - ending with how to get help via mailing lists, forums, and irc
[19:41] <jedijf> much like you did ;)
[19:42] <jedijf> emphasis on part 2 - ways to try linux -
[19:44] <jedijf> and the end - what to do when you think you're alone - but you're really not
[19:46] <TCorwin> I'm assuming that the amount of attendees will be as little as 10 people at the most. I originally tried to get help from the ubuntu-us-pa mailing list, but to no avail. This is my first time using irc, so it took me awhile to get the hang of it. I was also wondering if there are any "free" CD distributions of 12.04 that i could hand out as a starter. i could also possibly send you my presentation after i am finished for a review
[19:49] <jedijf> TCorwin: i saw your email - was going to respond over the weekend, if possible - when is the presentation?
[19:50] <TCorwin> the presentation is on November 15th.
[19:50] <JonathanD> You have no idea on audience composition though?
[19:51] <JonathanD> Is this an existing group of some sort you'll be presenting to?
[19:51] <jedijf> if you email an adress at jedijf at myfisher dot org i'll send 10 12.10 dvd's
[19:51] <jedijf> you could always burn some 12.04's
[19:52] <jedijf> show how to make a bootable live usb stick so they can try
[19:53] <TCorwin> JonathanD: i do not know the composition. And i will be a standalone presenter. I am just doing a presentation to the open public. Anyone can come, no one specific.
[19:54] <TCorwin> jedijf: thank you. I will email you here soon with an address. The only reason i asked, is because i dont have any cds. And i was going to show them that as well.
[19:54] <jedijf> keep it simple - stay within what *you* know - if you don't know, tell them that
[19:56] <jedijf> the first part - what is linux - go fast - no one really cares - part 2 how they can try - make sure they are getting, or slow down - look for deer in headlight look - virtual - live cd - live dvd - live usb - etc - part 3 depends on your desktop pick - part 4 (HELP) is most vital so they can continue
[19:57] <jedijf> on their own
[20:15] <ChinnoDog> Are DDOS attacks random or are they targeted?
[23:03] <Samuraialba> Good bacon to all!
[23:04] <ChinnoDog> Isn't all bacon good bacon?
[23:05] <Samuraialba> Turkey Bacon
[23:05] <Samuraialba> 'Nuff said
[23:06] <Samuraialba> Server nifty
[23:06] <Samuraialba> Just need 24GB of ram ordered
[23:08] <ChinnoDog> You must be building a supercomputer.
[23:08] <Samuraialba> nah
[23:09] <Samuraialba> Dual Quad Core Xeon L5320's at 1.83Ghz, 160GB drive.. has 4 GB now
[23:11] <Samuraialba> Gonna run VMs on it and PFSense


[13:17] <k1l> Pici: i already told him that #u is not the place to ask such things.
[13:17] <Pici> k1l: okay


[03:25] <test54321> has anyone tried to setup maas & juju with bonded nics?
[03:26] <sarnold> test54321: you may wish to try asking in #maas -- I think I heard something recently about dual-nic setups on maas being out-of-the-usual, but I don't think there was any discussion of bonded...
[03:27] <test54321> ok thanks!
[06:27] <jonascj> any libvirt users? What are the newest version of libvirt you've got on precise (12.04)?
[06:38] <crass> if there documentation on how to use fstab.d?
[08:08] <jibel> rbasak, Hey, I'm reviewing the lxc driver for autopkgtest but cannot seem to make it work from the source tree. How doyou invoke it usually?
[08:25] <jibel> rbasak, hm, it's because I used an ubuntu template for the container not a cloud template
[08:25] <jibel> rbasak, could we gracefully fail in that case ?
[08:55] <rbasak> jibel: that sounds reasonable. I could dpkg-query for cloud-init at the start I guess.
[09:33] <bariho> is there a way to prevent the display from switching off after some time when using the virtual consoles?
[09:41] <xnox> rbasak: jamespage: mysql--5.5 adt tests were failing before the borked 	5.5.32-0ubuntu2, and still fail after the revert in 	5.5.32-0ubuntu3. https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Saucy/view/AutoPkgTest/job/saucy-adt-mysql-5.5/
[09:42] <xnox> Completed: Failed 3/1713 tests, 99.82% were successful.
[09:42] <xnox> Failing test(s): main.symlink sys_vars.secure_file_priv_basic main.mysqltest
[09:42] <xnox> is anyone looking into fixing mysql adt test?
[09:47] <jibel> rbasak, can you remind me what was the requirement to use a cloud template instead of a debootrap based container?
[09:58] <jamespage> xnox: I think rbasak is
[09:59] <xnox> ok.
[10:31] <rbasak> xnox: do we know if the adt test has ever passed?
[10:32] <xnox> rbasak: history only goes back to build nr 39, all of which are red. Not sure if there are further logs. jibel do we have more adt history beyond what's visible in jenkins?
[10:32] <rbasak> Yeah that's what I was looking at.
[10:32] <rbasak> There's no "last successful build" noted in the status though.
[10:35] <rbasak> Looks like jenkins isn't blocking migration though.
[10:36] <rbasak> And that we need a no change rebuild for pinba-engine-mysql
[10:36] <jibel> xnox, no that's all we keep. I don't remember these tests ever passed
[10:42] <rbasak> jibel: thanks for the review!
[10:59] <jibel> xnox, I confirm that mysql tests never passed, neither on raring nor saucy
[11:02] <rbasak> Thanks
[11:02] <rbasak> We're running the same test suite in the build itself. So I'm not too worried about it.
[11:03] <rbasak> It should be fixed though of course
[11:18] <oz0ne> Hello, I wanted to add a notice under common error and fixes for others that might have been faighting the same issue as me with Postfix\opendkim\amavis. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix/DKIM (the issue is with enabling dkim signing like that guide if you allready have amavis doing spam checks is that the dkim will sign the header two times. one before amavis and then again one
[11:18] <oz0ne> more time after amavis) i wanted to put the note and how to correct the behaivor(eg. with adding -o no_milters when adding it back in postfix queue) under common errors and fixes. Reson for putting it under this article, cause many newcommers belives it is the issue of postfix\opendkim settings and not the way you feed messages back to queue from amavis.
[11:22] <rbasak> oz0ne: thanks for your input. The server guide is a volunteer effort and we appreciate all the help that we can get. Could you please file a bug against the serverguide project? Use this link: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/help.ubuntu.com
[11:23] <rbasak> If you are able, then a bzr merge proposal against the serverguide branch would be appreciated as well, those this is a bit more involved (editing the docbook xml source)
[11:23] <rbasak> Sorry, wrong link.
[11:24] <rbasak> THe bug reporting link is https://bugs.launchpad.net/serverguide/+filebug
[11:28] <oz0ne> i will file a bug and then i will check if i am capeable of doing a merge proposal. =)
[11:33] <rbasak> Thank you!
[11:52] <MACscr> how can i rsync files from one box to the other box, while preserving all ownership/perms, etc? Im trying to move LXC containers to a new ubuntu box
[11:55] <andol> MACscr: rsync --archive covers most of it. Depending on the situation you might also want --hard-links --xattrs and/or --acls
[11:55] <andol> MACscr: Depending on the situation, you may or may not want --numeric-ids
[11:55] <MACscr> andol: yeah, but since root is needed to create files other than itself and some owned by root, etc
[11:56] <MACscr> i think i might have to adjust sudoers or something
[11:58] <andol> MACscr: Or you could just allow yourself to use the root account for stuff like this? Otherwise you should be able to use the --rsync-path= option to include a sudo on the recieving end.
[12:37] <hallyn_> is there a kernel pkg that has a vmlinux.S?
[12:37] <hallyn_> gah
[12:37] <hallyn_> i'm apparently not awake yet.  sorry.
[12:41] <jamespage> rbasak, did you figure out the mysql test failure? I had a poke as well
[12:50] <jamespage> rbasak, --vardir=$WORKDIR/var/ -> --vardir=$WORKDIR/var (debian/tests/upstream)
[12:51] <jamespage> want me to upload?
[13:05] <rbasak> jamespage: wow. That's all? Please do.
[13:05] <rbasak> jamespage: I never looked. I was focused on getting it through proposed migration, and it wasn't blocked by that.
[13:06]  * rbasak wonders if anyone tests their uploads nowadays
[13:08] <jamespage> rbasak, OK _ I'll upload the fix
[13:09] <rbasak> Thanks!
[13:10] <rbasak> BTW, I uploaded a no change rebuild for pinba-engine-mysql which was blocking migration, and then it went through. So hopefully this upload will go straight through,.
[13:31] <jodh> rbasak/jamespage: hi guys - it appears mysql's failing ADT tests are blocking the latest upstart upload. Are you working on this failure?
[13:31] <jamespage> jodh, just uploaded a fix ^^
[13:31] <jodh> jamespage: any idea on turnaround?
[13:32] <jamespage> jodh, it takes about ~3 hours to build normally
[13:32] <jamespage> jodh, if its urgent please ask the release team to override - they can
[13:43] <phunyguy> quick question... I have some LVM volumes that were temporarily in the system, but have since been removed without restart (USB), but ubuntu keeps thinking it is still there... aside from a reboot, how can I force-remove it?
[13:55] <RoyK> philipballew: were the filesystem(s) mounted when you removed them?
[13:56] <RoyK> phunyguy: that was for you...
[13:56] <RoyK> phunyguy: echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan
[13:56] <RoyK> just choose the right host
[13:56] <phunyguy> RoyK: they were unmounted
[13:56] <phunyguy> define "host" in this context?
[13:57] <phunyguy> :P
[13:57] <RoyK> host0 is the first
[13:57] <phunyguy> right, but there are 8... how do I know which one is correct?
[13:58] <RoyK> phunyguy: perhaps in /dev/disk/by-id ?
[13:58]  * RoyK a bit unsure
[13:59] <RoyK> anyway - it won't hurt to run a rescan on another scsi host
[13:59] <phunyguy> so just hit em all
[13:59] <phunyguy> roger.
[14:00] <phunyguy> that worked!
[14:00] <phunyguy> GENIUS!
[14:00] <phunyguy> owe you beer.
[14:04] <RoyK> :)
[14:12] <diegonat> hi guys, i need a tip! Im going to develop a piece of software with a couple of friends so i was wondering what kind of resource i would need to have to keep in touch. Like a forum? or something else?
[14:13] <jkitchen> diegonat: with each other? github and an irc channel?
[14:13] <jkitchen> trello board?
[14:13] <Katafalkas> trello
[14:13] <diegonat> trello seems cool
[14:13] <jkitchen> trello is awesome
[14:13] <Katafalkas> its more then cool
[14:16] <diegonat> can u chat on trello
[14:16] <diegonat> ?
[14:17] <Katafalkas> sort of
[14:17] <Katafalkas> its real time
[14:17] <Katafalkas> so yeah
[14:50] <adam_g> jamespage, any idea what might have changed in the virt stack that would cause nova-compute to no longer pull in qemu-kvm?
[14:51] <jamespage> adam_g, on saucy?
[14:51] <adam_g> jamespage, about to test on saucy, but using havana-staging atm
[14:52] <jamespage> adam_g, qemu-kvm is a transitional package for saucy
[14:52] <jamespage> qemu-system-x86 is the one for saucy/havana-staging
[14:55] <adam_g> jamespage, which is responsible for actually getting /dev/kvm setup now?
[14:55] <jamespage> erm
[14:55] <adam_g> at the end of the day 'apt-get install nova-compute-kvm' has no kvm module loaded
[14:56] <jamespage> hallyn_, ^^
[14:56] <smb> Its automatically created when the kernel modules load
[14:56] <smb> and those load based on cpu type
[14:56] <adam_g> smb, right, but what package is modprobe'ing ?
[14:56] <smb> The kernel does
 at the end of the day 'apt-get install nova-compute-kvm' has no kvm module loaded
[14:56] <smb> well udev
[14:56] <jamespage> where are you doing that?
[14:57] <adam_g> jamespage, the jenkins lab. waiting for a qemu backport build
[14:57] <jamespage> adam_g, unsure then
[14:57] <jamespage> I'd defer to hallyn on that
[14:57] <smb> adam_g, check modinfo kvm-intel for example. That has an alias section in S
[14:57] <hallyn_> adam_g: yeah, qemu's postinst no longer modprobes kvm
[14:57] <adam_g> jamespage, but ive tried elsewhere from the H ppa
[14:58] <hallyn_> udev does it for us without qemu being installed
[14:58] <jamespage> adam_g, actually that might be it
[14:58] <hallyn_> adam_g: are you running linux-image-generic?
[14:58] <jamespage> hallyn_, is that udev in saucy doing that? does precise run the same way?
[14:58] <adam_g> hallyn_, yea.. the kvm_intel.ko is available
[14:58] <hallyn_> jamespage: i think it does, but i don't recall for sure when that was introduced.  smb?
[14:59] <hallyn_> adam_g: available, but not modprobed.  what does kvm-ok say?
[14:59] <smb> hallyn_, I would need to check git but in Saucy at least
[14:59] <smb> Maybe before
[14:59] <hallyn_> adam_g: removing the 'modprboe kvm_intel' from qemu.postinst was deliberate...
[14:59] <adam_g> hallyn_, it tells me that something is wrong. cpu supports it, but module is not loaded
[14:59] <hallyn_> adam_g: ok but loading the module by hand works ok?
[14:59] <adam_g> hallyn_, yup
[15:00] <hallyn_> ok.  then i guess we have a packaging issue.
[15:00] <adam_g> hallyn_, AFAICS everything is where it needs except the the module being loaded
[15:00] <hallyn_> adam_g: do you have
[15:00] <hallyn_> /lib/udev/rules.d/40-qemu-system-common.rules:KERNEL=="kvm", GROUP="kvm", MODE="0660"
[15:00] <adam_g> hallyn_, yeah
[15:01] <hallyn_> huh.  then why didn't it run?
[15:01] <hallyn_> oh i'm not thining right
[15:01] <adam_g> hallyn_, is that responsible for loading the module itself, or just setting the permission on /dev/kvm when it shows up?
[15:02] <hallyn_> adam_g: yeah the latter
[15:03] <smb> hallyn_, So that was introduced with the 3.5 kernel
[15:03] <smb> Which means Q, R and S
[15:04] <adam_g> ok, so the issue should be limited to running this on precise?  booting a saucy machine now
[15:04] <hallyn_> adam_g: but shoudldn't your cloud-wahtever ppa be depending on a newer kernel than 3.2?
[15:05] <adam_g> hallyn_, no, we haven't done any kernel backports
[15:05] <hallyn_> bleh
[15:06] <hallyn_> adam_g: how big a deal is it to add a delta to the backported qemu pkg?
[15:06] <adam_g> hallyn_, its not that we've had to do before, but i always assumed we would need to eventually
[15:07] <adam_g> *not something
[15:07] <hallyn_> adam_g: ok, well we *could* put the modprobing logic back int at saucy as well.  the problem was that in situations like containers the modprobe could fail, and it all just got too ugly to bother since we expect it to be loaded already
[15:08] <adam_g> what specifically is introduced in 3.5 that all of this depends on?
[15:09] <hallyn_> smb: ^ how is the kvm autoloading done?
[15:10] <smb> hallyn_, The modalias that triggers on cpu type and features
[15:10] <smb> alias:          x86cpu:vendor:*:family:*:model:*:feature:*0085*
[15:10] <smb> the amd module has a similar one for svx
[15:13] <smb> hallyn_, When the cpu is registered it shows up on cpu bus and emits a device add uevent. from there normal magic matches the alias to a module to probe
[15:14] <adam_g> smb, thanks
[15:15] <hallyn_> adam_g: what's your plan stan?
[15:15] <adam_g> hallyn_, trying to capture the issue in a bug
[15:15] <hallyn_> ok
[15:16] <adam_g> hallyn_, if its between backporting the kernel, or a small qemu delta, i vote for the latter
[15:16] <adam_g> i assume it would be a small delta?
[15:21] <hallyn_> adam_g: yup
[15:21] <hallyn_> to qemu-system-common.qemu-kvm.upstart or somesuch
[15:21] <adam_g> hallyn_, also, when checking saucy i noticed permissions: crw------- 1 root root 10, 232 Aug 29 15:09 /dev/kvm
[15:22] <hallyn_> adam_g: that's without qemu-system-x86 installed?
[15:23] <hallyn_> kvm group doesn't exist at that point, so that would be correct
[15:23] <adam_g> hallyn_, oh duh. ya
[15:23] <adam_g> without that missing udev rule
[15:33] <prime> I have a storage array I am trying to install ubuntu 12.04.3 precise pangolin LTS. I've used the Universal-USB-Installer which seems slightly outdated. The boot menu had a hard time finding the installation files. Any tips?
[15:35] <prime> I'm using a usb thumb drive. This time I'll format it prior to copying the slightly newer 12.04.03 precise pangolin lts as Unlisted rather than the known 12.04.02 server.
[16:57] <oz0ne> rbasak: i registred the bug, but now i do see I can actually do the change directly on the wiki page. It just took some time after registring as a part of the team until i could actually edit the page. This is not directly related to the server-guide but rater the wiki page. Tho if you do follow the instructions, install amavis opendkim and postfix. and you decide to enable signing you
[16:57] <oz0ne> will most likly get this double sign behavior as this line will make the milts run two times. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/serverguide/raring/view/head:/serverguide/C/mail.xml#L1616
[17:04] <rbasak> oz0ne: which wiki page?
[17:04] <oz0ne> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix/DKIM
[17:04] <rbasak> Ah, right.
[17:05] <rbasak> oz0ne: sorry, I was mistaken. You're right - you can just edit that. Please do!
[17:06] <oz0ne> rbasak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/serverguide/+bug/1218335 read my correction: it kinda also apply to the server guide, if you stilla gree will i make a patch\merge request.
[17:07] <rbasak> oz0ne: I see. Yes, that makes sense. Please go ahead with the merge request.
[17:07] <rbasak> (I'm not sure about the issue itself - just that you're filing the bug, editing the wiki, submitting the merge proposal in the right place, etc)
[17:07] <koolhead17> adam_g: ping
[17:20] <adam_g> koolhead17, hey
[17:20] <koolhead17> adam_g: will you be in town on 6th?
[17:20] <adam_g> koolhead17, should be
[17:21] <koolhead17> cool. lets catch up for coffee/breakfast then
[17:21] <koolhead17> DM me your number
[17:47] <adam_g> jamespage,  thoughts on carrying a delta re:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1218459 ?
[17:48] <jamespage> adam_g, +1
[17:49] <adam_g> jamespage, where should track it? should we keep stacked branches in lp:~ubuntu-cloud-archive repositories for these types of packages?
[17:58] <arrrghhh> hello all.  I have mdadm running a raid1 array on two 1tb hdd's.  I kind of want more speed, as I have my source for Android on this array... I don't so much care if I lose the data.  Can I convert it to raid0 "in place" or do I have to migrate the data to another disk/array, and format/rebuild the array new as raid0?
[18:00] <rbasak> I'm not aware of any way to convert md in place, but perhaps I'm missing latest developments there.
[18:00] <arrrghhh> yea, based on my knowledge/what I've read I have to rebuild the array
[18:00] <sarnold> throwing it on an ssd would probably give you better performance improvement for less effort.
[18:01] <arrrghhh> I'm wondering if it'll help my build times that much even... hum.  Just annoying.  Rig used to build in about 20 minutes, and now it takes nearly 40
[18:01] <arrrghhh> ssd is there, it is used for ccache and out/
[18:01] <arrrghhh> I guess I could get another and put the source on it
[18:03] <RoyK> arrrghhh: ccache?
[18:04] <arrrghhh> RoyK, my rig builds Android, among other things.
[18:04] <RoyK> arrrghhh: iirc you can convert it to raid0, but I haven't tried it
[18:05] <arrrghhh> based on my readings, I will have to backup the data if I want to preserve it... which I'd rather not redownload the source if I can help it.
[18:07] <RoyK> I have a vm with 13.04 (or was that 13.10)
[18:07] <RoyK> my raidtest vm
[18:07] <arrrghhh> nice
[18:10] <RoyK> arrrghhh: ok, so two drives in raid1 and you ant to split and merge to raid0?
[18:11] <arrrghhh> yes, basically.  space is not a concern, I just want moar speed.
[18:11] <arrrghhh> which another ssd would be better... but I am cheap :)
[18:14] <RoyK> arrrghhh: hrmf - seems I bricked that vm somehow
[18:17] <RoyK> arrrghhh: give me 10 minutes
[18:21] <RoyK> arrrghhh: shouldn't take too long to setup a new vm :P
[18:22] <RoyK> arrrghhh: there's something about zfs on a few drives and an ssd for caching ;)
[18:34] <RoyK> arrrghhh: took a bit more time to reinstall that vm - 20 mins
[18:39] <RoyK> arrrghhh: still waiting for resync on that mirror
[18:42] <RoyK> arrrghhh: still here?
[18:55] <cyphermox> utlemming: ping?
[18:56] <utlemming> cybermox: pong
[18:57] <utlemming> cyphermox: pong
[18:57] <cyphermox> utlemming: hehe. this is about https://code.launchpad.net/~med/ubuntu-seeds/sosreport/+merge/179485
[18:58] <utlemming> cyphermox: yeah, I have spoken to med about that
[18:59] <utlemming> med: ^
[18:59] <utlemming> cyphermox: I had suggested to med that it being in the ubuntu-server seed might be more appopriate, given that it is useful on servers, not just cloud instances
[18:59] <cyphermox> ok to add to the cloud-image seed? I think that's all that's left... though I'd be more conforable for one of you guys to handle it rather than I change the seed :)
[19:00] <utlemming> smoser: ping
[19:00] <cyphermox> sure
[19:00] <cyphermox> server is a good idea as well
[19:00] <utlemming> cyphermox: I have no objections, I just want to check with smoser, et al of the server team first
[19:00] <cyphermox> np
[19:01] <utlemming> smoser: sosreport to ubuntu-server or cloud-image seed?
[19:01] <smoser> yeh
[19:01] <smoser> what is the added delta ?
[19:01] <smoser> i have only objected in the past based on python2.
[19:04] <utlemming> smoser: sosreport does not include any new dependency in the images
[19:05] <utlemming> smoser: in checking on a fresh saucy, its just an extra package
[19:05] <smoser> is there an mp ?
[19:05] <smoser> i'l just do it now if there is.
[19:06] <utlemming> smoser: for cloud-images, https://code.launchpad.net/~med/ubuntu-seeds/sosreport/+merge/179485
[19:06] <utlemming> smoser: I think there is one for ubuntu-server, but I need to check
[19:06] <utlemming> smoser: I would rather see it in server, though
[19:07] <utlemming> smoser: there isn't one for server
[19:08] <clusty> hey
[19:09] <smoser> there is a bug on this.
[19:09] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sosreport/+bug/1206106
[19:10] <clusty> last upgrade hung so i had to close the console. now every time i run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" as suggested it still hangs at "Setting up apache2-mpm-worker (2.2.22-6ubuntu5.1)"
[19:10] <clusty> clues how I could flush all apaches so i can restart ?
[19:12] <smoser> utlemming, i just pushed cloud-utils -> cloud-guest-utils in images
[19:12] <smoser> in cloud seed
[19:12] <utlemming> smoser: ack
[19:14] <clusty> anybody ?
[19:20] <arrrghhh> RoyK, sorry I was at work.. then lunch.
[19:20] <arrrghhh> now back to work, but I'll be semi-here
[19:20] <RoyK> arrrghhh: I quit testing - don't know
[19:20] <arrrghhh> hah np
[19:42] <med_> smoser, utlemming cyphermox : catching up on sosreport...
[19:42] <med_> it's already in Main per that MIR smoser found
[19:42] <cyphermox> yes
[19:42] <med_> and it is still python 2.7 based though is scheduled to be reworked ahead of 14.04
[19:42] <cyphermox> med_: I'm going through the sponsoring overview, the seed change was up there
[19:42] <med_> nod.
[19:42] <cyphermox> I just wanted to get an ack from people before changing seeds I don't normally touch
[19:43] <med_> nod.
[19:43] <smoser> cyphermox, you can have ack from me.
[19:43] <smoser> i was about to do it.
[19:43] <smoser> you can do i.
[19:43] <smoser> it.
[19:43] <cyphermox> can you?
[19:43] <cyphermox> I'm beyond busy with Touch stuff :)
[20:22] <LargePrime> I cant find a google answer to this.
[20:22] <LargePrime> What is the server load number mean?
[20:48] <genii> LargePrime: The wikipedia page covers it fairly well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_%28computing%29
[20:48] <LargePrime> genii: Thanks so much
[21:08] <LargePrime> i have a problem  did an apt-get upgrade and i am getting bitched at cause  /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-40-generic updated?
[21:12] <LargePrime> Configuration file `/etc/issue'
[21:12] <LargePrime>  ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation.
[21:12] <LargePrime>  ==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version.
[21:12] <LargePrime> what should i choose?
[21:12] <LargePrime> sorry for the noob question
[21:19] <sarnold> LargePrime: probably doesn't matter -- it just shows a login banner to the login prompt on virtual consoles.
[21:19] <sarnold> LargePrime: if you accept the package version, you probably won't be bothered in the future. :)
[22:28] <mgw> so I have what may be an odd question. What would be the performance implications of an lvm over a loopback inside a qcow image?
[22:32] <sarnold> it probably won't be fast, but you knew that right? :)
[22:40] <MACscr> I want to run ubuntu server from a usb thumb drive, but more importantly, i want it to mostly be running in just a ram disk for speed and to minimize writes to the usb drive. I do though still want some persistency. Any suggestions on making that happen? Its going to be for a storage node.
[22:41] <mgw> sarnold: I assumed that, yes… here's what I'm trying to accomplish: I want to run lxc containers inside a host which is a kvm guest.
[22:46] <sarnold> mgw: should be alright, people use nested kvm for testing / development work all the time. I don't know if I'd want to rely on that for deployment, but lxc-in-kvm ought to be less painful than that :)
[22:46] <sarnold> MACscr: look into "laptop mode"
[22:49] <MACscr> sarnold: i think thats power power related and since this is a server, its going to be running 24/7
[22:50] <sarnold> MACscr: limiting the number of disk writes feels like a useful thing to aim for however