[05:30] <pde> Is it common for there to be malware in the Ubuntu app store? I just accidentally installed this thing: https://askubuntu.com/questions/970219/123-sogou-com-trojan-horse-in-ukui-screensaver
[05:31] <pde> (as a result of trying to change the time-to-screensaver-onset in ubuntu 17.10)
[05:43] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: How much would I have to pay you to stop merging debhelper? :P
[06:22] <rbasak> pde: AFAICT, that's not malware: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sogou
[06:23] <rbasak> It appears to be the default (and legitimate) search engine for Kylin.
[06:24] <rbasak> It does feel like a bug that ukui-screensaver depends on ubuntukylin-default-settings.
[06:24] <rbasak> Though I don't know the detail.
[06:24] <pde> hmmm, interesting. I noticed it because it changed Firefox's homepage to Sogou
[06:25] <rbasak> I would file a bug against ukui-screensaver to argue that it isn't reasonable for it to depend on arbitrary additional unrelated settings.
[06:26] <rbasak> Though that package is perhaps Kylin-"specific" so it may be low priority for them.
[06:26] <rbasak> Perhaps in that case it's a separate bug that the software centre surfaces that pckage.
[07:43] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, did I make any mistake? anyhow, if you want, please steal it anytime you like :)
[08:01] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, I spotted an RC bug in debhelper, I had to followup with a new upload :(
[08:01] <LocutusOfBorg> and now the delta is reducing finally
[11:54] <ricotz> jbicha, hi, fyi, firefox 58 beta builds will include the EmojiOneMozilla.ttf as shipped by upstream
[13:09] <niedbalski> RAOF hello there, if you have some cycles, do you mind to review LP: #1657256? (verification done).
[14:05] <flexiondotorg> I'm unable to update the ubuntu-mate-meta package.
[14:05] <flexiondotorg> I'm running Ubuntu MATE 18.04 daily.
[14:06] <flexiondotorg> Here is the traceback from germinate - http://paste.ubuntu.com/25960796/
[14:08] <flexiondotorg> Ugh. Seen my mistake.
[15:00] <elopio> pitti: Hello! I'm playing with a script you initially wrote: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-archive-tools/trunk/view/head:/retry-autopkgtest-regressions
[15:00] <elopio> is there any reason to use the cookie in there instead of oauth?
[15:01] <pitti> elopio: it's massively simpler
[15:01] <pitti> if you can work out how to use oauth with it, feel free of course :)
[15:02] <elopio> pitti: well, I tried, and failed.  And how are you pitti?
[15:03] <pitti> elopio: IIRC I did look into using oauth back then, and gave up after a short while with "argh too complicated", or something such :)
[15:03] <pitti> elopio: quite fine, thanks! debugging chromium crashes in docker containers (that ruins our tests), so same old :-P
[15:03] <pitti> how about yourself?
[15:04] <elopio> pitti: sounds fun. I'm ok, fighting autopkgtests (same old, too :)
[15:07] <cpaelzer> dannf: on 1710019 we are down to "all good who does the upload (and when)"
[15:08] <cpaelzer> dannf: if you are around already let me know
[15:08] <dannf> cpaelzer: i am. i can do the upload if you like
[15:09] <cpaelzer> ok
[15:09] <cpaelzer> dannf: do so I'll pull from there and make sure it is correctly in git as well
[15:10] <dannf> cpaelzer: ack, thx!
[15:36] <cpaelzer> hmm, can I pull-lp-source (or similar) from release-unapproved?
[15:36] <cpaelzer> wget from LP page links feels wrong
[15:37] <nacc> cpaelzer: `git ubuntu queue` can do it, iirc
[15:37] <nacc> cpaelzer: otherwise, i believe there are sru tools
[15:38] <cpaelzer> uh we have a queue command
[15:39] <cpaelzer> checking that :-)
[15:40] <nacc> cpaelzer: not displayed in top-level help, iirc, but in the manpage
[15:52] <rbasak> cpaelzer: from an up-to-date repo, "git ubuntu queue sync" should do it.
[16:01] <cpaelzer> nacc: rbasak: yeah working fine for me
[17:56] <rlink> Still looking for someone on ubuntu-sponsors to look over an SRU for Xenial's network-manager, please.
[19:45] <rlink> Or is there at least an expected turnaround time between when ~ubuntu-sponsors gets subscribed to the SRU-ed bug and when someone takes a look at it?
[21:01] <juliank> rlink: According to the upstream bug, the fix there is incomplete. Is your fix different?
[21:04] <rlink> juliank: It is the exact same patch.  I believe the final comment in the upstream bug diesn't account for NetworkManager itself having to be restarted for the new Notify mechanism to be usable.  Hence why they're still seeing Event fallback.
[21:05] <rlink> Also note that those log messages in the final comment in the upstream bug are from a custom wrapper the submitter is running around the actual nm-dhcp-helper.
[21:06] <rlink> I've deployed and tested the exact same patch/fix here and have seen nothing but successful renew Notifies.
[21:13] <juliank> rlink: I think the whole SRU stuff from the comment needs to be in the description, at least that's what the doc says. It's a bit bad that it's not really testable IMO, but if you can reliably reproduce it and verify it that way, that seems OK to me.
[21:14] <rlink> I can certainly move the SRU block into the description.
[21:26] <rlink> juliank: I've moved the SRU text into the description and addressed your concern in the Other Info section
[21:32] <juliank> rlink: OK, the patch does not seem to break anything, so good to go
[21:33] <juliank> We're kind of lucky that I actually have a xenial VM
[21:33] <rlink> juliank:  Cool.  What's next?
[21:35] <juliank> rlink: Waiting for approval to -proposed, after which there will be a comment on the bug asking you to verify it. Once verified and 7 days have passed, you just have to wait for it to be released to -updates :)
[21:36] <rlink> Cool.  Thank you!
[21:42] <xnox> cpaelzer, i'm trying to change qemu code to compile roms the way debian wants them to be compiled....
[21:42] <xnox> cpaelzer, where does one supposed to get roms/SLOF from?
[21:45] <xnox> cpaelzer, nevermind found it.


[00:02] <Ahoalton> hi is it possible to upgrade from Ubuntu 12.04 to Ubuntu Studio?
[00:09] <Ahoalton> I apologize for my recent disconnect
[00:09] <Ahoalton> s
[00:09] <Ahoalton> had some irc client issures
[00:11] <Ahoalton> anyone around
[07:59] <sanjeev> thanks.
[08:09] <e64i> hi!
[17:13] <acmeinc1> does anyone know how to change the default font color for a theme?  the albatross theme has white text on a grey background :(
[20:30] <janolap1> Hi there ! can someone help me with amsynth 1.3 ? because I have just compiled it and I don't know how to configure it with jackd and midi


[12:39] <mikeconcepts> xumbuntu 7.04 no sound audigy
[12:39] <mikeconcepts> #0: Audigy 1 [SB0090]
[12:40] <mikeconcepts> added mixer control to panel, set device to audigy
[12:41] <mikeconcepts> is some change to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base needed normally?
[12:45] <TheSheep> no
[12:45] <TheSheep> I don't think so
[12:47] <mikeconcepts> options snd-hda-intel model=auto
[12:47] <mikeconcepts> trying this
[12:48] <mikeconcepts> after reboot
[12:57] <mikeconcepts> still no sound
[12:58] <mikeconcepts> anybody care to help with this issue of no sound in xubuntu 7.04 using an audigy sound card?
[12:59] <TheSheep> mikeconcepts: I assume you already checked the forums?
[12:59] <mikeconcepts> yes
[01:00] <mikeconcepts> made changes talked about there to alsa-base
[01:00] <TheSheep> mikeconcepts: 'lsmod | grep snd' shows anything?
[01:00] <mikeconcepts> neither recommended fix helped
[01:00] <mikeconcepts> yes, full page of info
[01:01] <TheSheep> mikeconcepts: that'd mean the driver is loaded
[01:01] <mikeconcepts> yes, it even shows option for the audigy
[01:01] <TheSheep> mikeconcepts: run 'alsamixer' and make sure the channels are not muted
[01:02] <mikeconcepts> there is nothing showing for mute on any channel
[01:03] <mikeconcepts> found the trouble
[01:03] <mikeconcepts> was set to digital
[01:03] <mikeconcepts> at least you got me looking inthe right place
[01:03] <TheSheep> glad you solved it :)
[01:04] <mikeconcepts> thanks for helping
[01:58] <Asauce> Howcome Ubuntu recognizes my wireless card, but Xubuntu doesn't? In Xubuntu, there aren't even any icons in the top-right indicating networking or volume control. Just an outline of a rectangle...
[01:59] <Asauce> Is there anything extra I have to do?
[01:59] <somerville32> Asauce: I'm sure it recognizes your wireless card.
[01:59] <mikeconcepts> can krdc be installed in xubuntu 7.04 for remote desktop connection?
[02:00] <Asauce> Then how do I set it up?
[02:00] <somerville32> Asauce: Download wifi-radar
[02:00] <hyper__ch> hiho
[02:00] <mikeconcepts> even though it is for KDE?
[02:00] <Asauce> Thank you.
[02:02] <TaJMoX> How do I change panel background to an image?
[02:03] <neozen> TaJMoX: you use a theme
[02:03] <neozen> TaJMoX: or you edit an existing theme by hand
[02:04] <neozen> TaJMoX: I know of no other way
[02:04] <TaJMoX> neozen : the theme i'm using (xfce-4.2) doesn't contain the word 'panel' in the rc
[02:05] <TaJMoX> can i just add style "panel" { bg_pixmap[NORMAL]  = "filename.png" }  ??
[02:06] <TaJMoX> i mean, can you provide me with an example?
[02:18] <TaJMoX> can someone give me an example on how to change the panel background by editing a gtk theme?
[02:49] <saint-takeshi> having a spot of bother installing xubuntu. it reports an error formatting my hard drive, which might be caused by the fact that it has an encrypted LVM setup at the moment used by my old OS
[02:50] <saint-takeshi> "The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of IDE1 slave (hdb) failed"
[02:52] <saint-takeshi> i-0
[02:52] <saint-takeshi> is there any way to tell what the problem is?
[02:53] <saint-takeshi> "The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of IDE1 slave (hdb) failed."
[02:53] <neozen> TaJMoX: nope... never done it before .... sorry
[02:54] <neozen> TaJMoX: never needed to... I just looked here: http://xfce-look.org and found a theme I liked, installed it, and called it done
[02:56] <TaJMoX> ok well can you reccomend a theme which has an image in the panel, so that I can use it as an example?
[02:57] <radioaktivstorm> hello, does anyone know how to reset the session
[02:57] <radioaktivstorm> i have too many instances of nm-applet running
[02:58] <radioaktivstorm> (i had save session on logoff enabled)
[02:58] <TaJMoX> saint-takeshi - run sudo gparted in a terminal
[02:58] <radioaktivstorm> T_T
[03:03] <saint-takeshi> gparted looks like it's got the partitions set up, but the install program just won't get past the partition thing, it fails with "The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of IDE1 slave (hdb) failed" and mounts a 217mb partition on /media/disk with what seems to be linux boot things in it, i cant tell if thats my old /boot or som,ething the installer has created :S
[03:04] <kali|c> saint-takeshi, Did you try a second time, ideally reformatting the root partition? That might already help.
[03:04] <saint-takeshi> oh, wait, just read the menu.list in the grub folder, and it's my old one...
[03:07] <saint-takeshi> Gparted seems to be unaware of any LVM activity and i've now deleted all partitions
[03:08] <saint-takeshi> and it looks like they're staying deleted this time
[03:10] <saint-takeshi> dammit! every time i run the installer, it brings back the old partitions and mounts the root partition :/
[03:11] <kali|c> saint-takeshi, Try a restart, that might help if the paritions table is not updated.
[03:11] <kali|c> s/restart/reboot
[03:12] <saint-takeshi> ah, wait....setting up the partitions manually looks like it's helped....its doing sopmething new
[03:12] <saint-takeshi> "The test of the file system with type ext3 in partition #1 of IDE1 slave (hdb) found uncorrected errors."
[03:15] <saint-takeshi> now i've just got a tiny window entitled "installing system"
[03:16] <radioaktivstorm> how does onne reset the settings for xfce?
[03:16] <saint-takeshi> the activity light on the CD drive is going berzerk, so i think its doing *something*
[03:20] <saint-takeshi> oh, the tiny window is a progress bar...fascinating...
[03:21] <saint-takeshi> wait, maybe not, it's gone blank again...half of the little grey square went white for a bit...
[04:03] <saint-takeshi> excellent. now i'm installed and ready to go...just one thing, though...what's the root password?
[04:03] <j1mc> there is no root password, saint-takeshi.
[04:03] <j1mc> xubuntu uses "sudo" for administrative access.
[04:03] <saint-takeshi> it didn't ask me to set one, but it keeps asking me for one
[04:04] <j1mc> use your regular user password.
[04:04] <saint-takeshi> oh, i see
[04:04] <j1mc> instead of "su"
[04:04] <j1mc> use "sudo"
[04:04] <saint-takeshi> i know that
[04:04] <j1mc> ok.  :)  i wasn't sure.
[04:05] <saint-takeshi> oh, i see, there just isn't a root password....doesn't that make it much easier to break into an ubuntu system?
[04:07] <somerville32> No
[04:07] <somerville32> There is a root password
[04:07] <somerville32> It is just garbage
[04:07] <somerville32> ie. it is disabled
[04:07] <saint-takeshi> hmmm...also, for some reason, "glxinfo|grep direct" kills X and restarts it
[04:11] <saint-takeshi> yeah, every time i try to run glxinfo, it kills x
[04:11] <saint-takeshi> oh, no, i was still using Vesa for some reason
[04:12] <somerville32> Ok
[04:12] <somerville32> I need food, lol
[04:12] <j1mc> saint-takeshi: what happens when you open xfce4-terminal?
[04:12] <j1mc> does that open ok?
[04:13] <Asauce> Alright, I tried that WiFi-Radar thing... I'm a bit confused as to how I'm supposed to use it. Is it supposed to detect my network right when I start it? Does it even recognize my wireless card?
[04:13] <saint-takeshi> as in Applications>accessories>Terminal? yeah, runs fine
[04:13] <j1mc> saint-takeshi: yeah, that's what i was referring to.
[04:14] <j1mc> saint-takeshi: is there anything in /var/crash?
[04:15] <somerville32> Asauce: Can you pastebin the output of the following command: sudo lshw -class net
[04:16] <saint-takeshi> j1mc; i'm not actually having a problem anymore, i ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and changed from vesa to ati for my display driver, and it's running gorgeously.
[04:17] <somerville32> You should file a bug (or see if one already is).
[04:19] <j1mc> somerville32: should saint-takeshi file a bug if he just had selected the wrong graphics driver?
[04:19] <j1mc> if the wrong graphics driver is causing the problem, i don't see why that's bugworthy...
[04:20] <j1mc> if the problem were under the correct driver then it would make sense to check for a bug report.
[04:22] <somerville32> It shouldn't crash
[04:22] <somerville32> Vesa is a driver that should support all cards
[04:22] <j1mc> ah, ok.
[04:23] <somerville32> Video Electronics Standards Association: Video Electronics Standards Association.
[04:23] <somerville32> Err..
[04:23] <somerville32> VESA: Video Electronics Standards Association.
[04:23] <somerville32> !pastebin > Asauce
[04:26] <somerville32> !wifi
[04:26] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:26] <somerville32> Asauce: See above documentation
[04:27] <somerville32> Asauce: Can you pastebin the output of ifconfig ra0?
[04:37] <TaJMoX> Can anyone tell me what to add in the theme file to have an image as the panel background?
[04:37] <somerville32> I dunno if you can
[04:49] <Ghostvirus> hello everyone
[04:50] <Ghostvirus> quick question: why does "printscreen" not work with Xubuntu?
[04:53] <somerville32> You can make it work
[04:53] <somerville32> Just assign the key to launch the screencapture utility
[04:54] <Ghostvirus> ahh, and how would i go about that? in the "keyboard preferences" dialog?
[04:56] <somerville32> :)
[05:00] <cheeseboy> how i play video that uses divx ?
[05:01] <somerville32> !divx
[05:01] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:04] <cheeseboy> why is it everytime i install someting it asks for xubuntu cd
[05:05] <somerville32> cheeseboy: Remove the cd from the sources list
[05:05] <cheeseboy> how?
[05:05] <somerville32> Applications > System > Software Sources
[05:05] <scrooge_74> the cd is your primary repository
[05:05] <scrooge_74> at this moment
[05:06] <cheeseboy> where i uncheck it?
[05:07] <scrooge_74> there should be an entry for cdrom
[05:08] <scrooge_74> if not go to /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the CD
[05:14] <feliciano> hey guys... I'm having troubles with a application... and the only error send me is this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26161/
[05:14] <Ghostvirus> hm, it seems adding a screenshot shortcut to PrintScreen is a bit of work :/
[05:14] <feliciano> please let me know how can I get more information
[05:15] <feliciano> about the fault
[05:15] <feliciano> I dont know whats the problem
[05:17] <feliciano> I solve my problem...
[05:17] <Ghostvirus> /usr/bin/esd not found?
[05:17] <feliciano> sorry
[05:17] <feliciano> ;)
[05:18] <Ghostvirus> good times
[05:19] <somerville32> :)
[05:19] <kiosk> anyone know how to run python games
[05:20] <feliciano> kiosk.. like what??
[05:20] <somerville32> kiosk: The same way you run every other python application :)
[05:20] <kiosk> 20K Light Years won't run :(
[05:21] <kiosk> type ./LightYears.py
[05:22] <kiosk> it says:   bash: ./LightYears.py: /usr/bin/python2.4: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[05:23] <crimsun> dpkg -l python2.4|grep ^ii;echo $?
[05:24] <crimsun> that's a bad shebang anyhow
[05:24] <crimsun> it should use /usr/bin/python, not /usr/bin/python2.4
[05:24] <kiosk> what was the first thing crimsun?
[05:25] <kiosk> Ishould enter that?
[05:25] <crimsun> that's a command
[05:27] <kiosk> No packages found matching python2.4.
[05:27] <kiosk> 1
[05:28] <crimsun> right.
[05:28] <kiosk> Is python broke?
[05:29] <crimsun> no
[05:29] <crimsun> see what I typed above
[05:29] <kiosk> yes
[05:29] <crimsun> either change the shebang, or install python2.4
[05:29] <kiosk> is dpkg the same thing as apt-get ?
[05:30] <crimsun> no.
[05:30] <crimsun> apt-get uses dpkg.
[05:31] <kiosk> I think I figured out I have Python2.5 installed.  That won't work?
[05:31] <kiosk> ii  python2.5      2.5.1-0ubuntu1 An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.5)
[05:32] <kiosk> when typing dpkg -l python2.5|grep ^ii;echo $?
[05:32] <crimsun> look at the error that running the program gives you
[05:32] <kiosk> I am going to have to disect that command now.  That is a whopper
[05:32] <crimsun> it explicitly mentions python2.4
[05:32] <crimsun> we've established that you don't have python2.4 installed
[05:32] <crimsun> so -
[05:32] <crimsun> either install python2.4, or change the shebang.
[05:34] <kiosk> can you install python2.5 without installing the other one?
[05:34] <kiosk> *un installing the other one
[05:34] <crimsun> you already have python2.5 installed
[05:35] <crimsun> did you mean to ask if you can install python2.4 in parallel?
[05:35] <crimsun> if so, yes.  You can.
[05:35] <kiosk> yes that's what I meant
[05:35] <kiosk> cool
[05:35] <somerville32> :)
[05:36] <kiosk> installing
[05:37] <kiosk> now what did you mean by shebang?
[05:42] <kiosk> shebang = the whole python script right?
[05:43] <crimsun> no
[05:43] <crimsun> the shebang is the top line
[05:43] <crimsun> #!/usr/bin/python2.4  <--
[05:43] <crimsun> which is poor syntax anyhow
[05:43] <crimsun> #! /usr/bin/python    would be correct
[05:43] <somerville32> Hi kalikiana_
[06:05] <Asauce> How do I log in as root?
[06:05] <kalikiana_> hey somerville32 :)
[06:05] <kalikiana_> Asauce, Why would you want/ need that?
[06:05] <kalikiana_> It's normally disabled.
[06:10] <kiosk> hey thanks for the help crimsun
[06:10] <kiosk> I think I'm on the right track now
[06:14] <TaJMoX> Anyone know how to use an image as the panel background?
[06:16] <somerville32> :)
[07:25] <Indephysis> Help! I just installed, and after switching between the first terminal (alt+f1 or ctrl+alt+f1, don't remember) and the X session I seem to be zoomed in!
[07:26] <predaeus_> Indephysis, try if you can switch resolutions with ctrl-alt-numpad-/+
[07:26] <Indephysis> Oh thank you so much.
[07:27] <Indephysis> There we go. :D
[07:27] <predaeus_> it should switch through available resolutions in your xorg.conf
[07:27] <predaeus_> but weird behavior nonetheless
[07:52] <ruks> can anyone help me with a problem with azureus,i tried that channel but nobody is responding
[07:53] <predaeus_> what problem?
[07:55] <ruks> ok i installed azureus yesterday and used it fine
[07:55] <ruks> today as soon as i open it it closes
[07:55] <ruks> so i open in terminal
[07:55] <ruks> and get an error message when it closes
[07:55] <ruks> referring to java it looks like
[07:55] <ruks> but i have 1.6 jre installed
[07:56] <ruks> any ideas?
[07:56] <ruks> i can show u the error message,its kinda long
[07:57] <test3r> !pci=routeirq
[07:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pci=routeirq - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:58] <ruks> eh?
[07:58] <test3r> ha.   well, i think that might b how i get this older-than-dirt  3COM wifi card going.
[07:58] <test3r> anyone ever pass that option to kernel yet?
[07:58] <test3r> do we still NEED to? anyone know?
[07:59] <test3r> see -
[07:59] <predaeus_> ruks, paste the error to a pastebin and the link here
[07:59] <test3r> dmesg tells m that my PCI 3:00.0  is being ghosted by my 2:00:00  or something
[08:00] <test3r> maybe it will set it str8 i guess ill give it a shot
[08:00] <ruks> whats a pastebin?
[08:01] <predaeus_> !paste
[08:01] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:03] <test3r> yeah we dont even have to use a 3rd party site anymore for our pastes
[08:03] <ruks> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26705/
[08:03] <test3r> woot!
[08:03] <ruks> i think i did it right?
[08:05] <ruks> can u see ut?
[08:05] <ruks> it*
[08:05] <predaeus_> ruks, hm it says "operation not permitted". Did you try running azureus with sudo just to see if it works? You should not run azureus with sudo rights else.
[08:05] <test3r> =D
[08:05] <test3r> either that or set the config to 777
[08:05] <test3r> or somethign similar that WILL work
[08:06] <ruks> ok i used sudo and it opened with the config wizard
[08:06] <ruks> thats odd
[08:06] <ruks> but its up
[08:06] <ruks> am i going to have to do this everytime?
[08:07] <test3r> hey now dmesg reports it is routing all IRQ for all PCI device - the card still lights on but im not connecting to my wifi  =(
[08:07] <predaeus_> ruks, you should not run azureus with sudo rights. Try to figure out what is wrong then run it without sudo rights.
[08:07] <test3r> wow i typed that to air.
[08:07] <test3r> ruks > either use sudo or CHMOD
[08:07] <predaeus_> ruks, did you install azureus from the repositories?
[08:08] <ruks> ok its up,but my torrents are gone....and the error said something about java but i have the latest version
[08:08] <ruks> i used synaptics
[08:08] <predaeus_> hm weird
[08:08] <ruks> yea
[08:08] <ruks> should i uninstall and reinstall?
[08:08] <test3r> wait u shouldt have to use torrent as root
[08:08] <test3r> do Not use torrent as root
[08:09] <test3r> i also hope you have PG setup properly and is in CRON
[08:09] <test3r> ..
[08:09] <predaeus_> PG?
[08:09] <test3r> peer guardian
[08:09] <test3r> have it fully up and getting Auto-Updates b4 u use torrent.
[08:10] <test3r> (you enable the automatic part using CRON)
[08:10] <ruks> i dont know what that is,im kinda new to linux and all this
[08:10] <test3r> it is not a linux thing peer guardian is what it is
[08:10] <test3r> however to set it up on linux u will have to teach yourself a little linux
[08:10] <test3r> naturally
[08:11] <ruks> i know some
[08:11] <test3r> then ur part way there! You can do it.
[08:11] <ruks> ok i will try
[08:11] <ruks> thanks for the help
[08:11] <test3r> np  =)  stay safe with that tool, now.
[08:11] <ruks> lol
[08:12] <test3r> just google "peer guardian"  youll see
[08:12] <predaeus_> ruks, still this will not fix your java or whatever problem
[08:12] <test3r> no is no fix for JAVA but do not run torrent as root
[08:12] <test3r> that is insane
[08:13] <test3r> the one that comes with Xubuntu worked Fine for torrents for me
[08:13] <test3r> and does no req a root password everytime it launches
[08:13] <test3r> which means it is properly configd
[08:13] <ruks> azureus didnt either until today
[08:13] <ruks> and i didnt do anything to the system to change anything
[08:14] <ruks> so maybe i should uninstall azureus and just use bittornado as default
[08:14] <test3r> im not sure but when i think of peer-2-peer torrent thing having priv to write Anything to disk it makes me edgy
[08:15] <test3r> is it possible to force a torrent on a client siting running in root mode?
[08:15] <test3r> like - i could force a torrent to u that , you running as root, could overwrite sys files
[08:16] <test3r> or worse
[08:16] <test3r> is the same reason you Read an SH before launching the thing
[08:18] <test3r> Yeah bitornado ran fine & saved files for me and I used a standard "User" acc with intentionaly no admin priv
[08:19] <test3r> i just had it save the things to desktop. then id burn em off
[08:19] <test3r> inside a folder on the desk - i should say
[08:23] <kumamoto> has anyone's firefox been crashing lately or it is just me
[08:45] <test3r> ok im booting kernel with pci=routeirq pci=assign-busses
[08:46] <test3r> ive tried excluding the IRQ 11 my card gets re-routed to, too, inside /etc/pcmcia/config.opts
[08:46] <test3r> thing still turns on.  /dmsg says it is associating with an access point successfuly - i dont get it why doesnt it have net
[08:48] <test3r> actually i havent scrolled up after using assign-busses lets see what it says up there now in dmsg
[08:50] <test3r> it says nothing up there besides that it is doing manual config for my pci
[08:51] <test3r> no error rly
[09:14] <test3r> HEY I see something. when i invoke "init.d networking restart" it says "ignoring unknown interface ath0:ath0" which was my OLD wifi interface. this card uses wlan0, though. What file could i still need to change?
[09:14] <test3r> I have a sneeking suspicion the card will work on a complete fresh install of Xubuntu from CD
[09:14] <test3r> =(
[09:18] <test3r> also it says "set failed on wmaster0 opp not supported" wehich i already knew & found out
[09:18] <test3r> all the files ive changed though iv3 set to wlan0
[09:19] <test3r> so somewhere there is still a thing i need to change   =(
[09:21] <test3r> oh WEIRD when i run lshw though now, after using the boot kernel options, my address changed to the card
[09:21] <test3r> OK. lets switch one of those files. i know where that ady sits.
[09:25] <test3r> er wait it is the bus info, not the IRQ that changed. hmmmmm. & i dont seem to find a spot where i used the bus info either
[09:39] <test3r> dumb 3COM card. im think i should switch back to my Atheros using madwifi
[09:58] <test31> lol
[09:59] <test31> typing on notebook now
[09:59] <test31> all it took was swaping out the card, then telling it not to use my dumb neighbors weak linksys router as its network
[09:59] <test3r> now im other box
[10:13] <test31> wait a sec - think about the last bit - i had to tell it NOT to connect to my neighbors network using my originally installed wifi card (the one i used when i installed xubuntu) , but when i use a dif wifi card, i dont even have to swat it away from "OOB" configs , nor will it connect to my Own network
[10:15] <test31> even though the card lights up, the driver was included in kernel already
[10:16] <test31> do i have to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[11:12] <b52laptop> hello
[12:37] <zubuntoo> Hi ! anyone had a problems with 7.04 xubuntu isos ?
[12:38] <zubuntoo> I downloaded & burned the isos multiple times, but it still wont boot up work ? anyone else had issues ?
[01:02] <Pumpernickel> 1)  Did you verify the integrity of the cd at any point?  2)  Could you be a bit more precise about that "won't boot up" statement?
[02:00] <keneida> hello, can somebody tell me how many MB of ram is used just after logging to xfce?
[02:00] <keneida> i mean at your computers
[02:10] <TheSheep> keneida: about 70, but it depends on how much ram you have in total, I have 512MB
[02:37] <keneida> on my desktop it uses 120, on laptop 220. I do not know why it is like this
[02:38] <totalwormage> there could be services running on your desktop that your lappie doesn't have
[02:38] <totalwormage> or am i wrong
[02:39] <keneida> in top i do not see any big processes
[02:42] <kromo> hi, I'd like to fix the spanish translation of xfce-mcs-plugins, should this be done on launchpad?
[02:43] <keneida> can somebody suggest me some other program for testing the memory usage
[02:44] <TheSheep> kromo: yes
[02:44] <TheSheep> keneida: xrestop comes in handy for X apps
[02:45] <keneida> and for not X
[02:45] <kromo> TheSheep: thanks
[02:47] <TheSheep> keneida: there was that funny tracing tool requiring additional kernel module for extra accuracy...
[02:48] <TheSheep> keneida: atop
[02:48] <TheSheep> I think
[02:54] <cheeseboy> how i substitute one key for another?
[02:54] <case__> switch the key with a spoon? :)
[02:55] <cheeseboy> i need to set them to be different
[02:55] <cheeseboy> because one broke
[02:56] <cheeseboy> and i need it
[02:56] <chris_lees_3rdal> When I start up Xubuntu 7.04 on my PowerPC, the panels don't automatically start
[02:56] <chris_lees_3rdal> Starting them manually works
[02:56] <chris_lees_3rdal> Anyone else run into the problem on the Live CD?
[03:35] <archangelpetro> really terrible question here, but.... when coding with GTK the include is <gtk/gtk.h> however my gtk headers are stored in /usr/include/gtk-2.0/  so, how would i allow the same include to work? (what's the best way?)
[03:37] <archangelpetro> or at least point me in the right direction
[03:38] <swhalen> Hello, how do i add a USB printer in xubuntu
[03:44] <asmith42a> swhalen: Setting > Printers doesn't work?
[03:44] <kalikiana_> archangelpetro, GTK+ is always in gtk-2.0/gtk, so that's okay ;)
[03:47] <case__> archangelpetro, if you look closely, inside the /usr/include/gtk-2.0/ there is a gtk/ directory, so your gtk/gtk.h will always works since it's pkg-config job to include the right folder (i.e. /usr/include/gtk-2.0 )
[03:48] <asmith42a> I thought Update Manager was supposed to automatically install Important Security Updates, or at least alert me. Am I misunderstanding?
[03:48] <kalikiana_> asmith42a, You can configure it in synaptic.
[03:48] <kalikiana_> It won't auto-download by default.
[03:49] <asmith42a> kalikiana_: I thought so too. It is set to "Smart Upgrade".
[03:50] <asmith42a> Which should it be?
[03:50] <kalikiana_> asmith42a, Hm... I'm not sure what 'Smart Upgrade' is. You can just tell it to download and install automatically, can't you?
[03:51] <case__> the update manager is for gnome isn't it? i don't know if there is a xubuntu version...
[03:51] <swhalen> asmith42a: No, it asks for the port and USB isn't listed
[03:51] <asmith42a> kalikiana_: I thought I had it set like that at one time, then the update to automatically perform updates came down...
[03:52] <asmith42a> swhalen: Strange. I wish I could help you. All my printers are networked.
[03:52] <asmith42a> case__: Oh, that could be, but still, wouldn't the package manager to it?
[03:52] <asmith42a> er, do it
[03:53] <case__> it will update and upgrade if you ask explicitly so, it won't warn you about new updates available. i think.
[03:53] <kalikiana_> case__, Update manager is not gnome only. But the visual notifier still is.
[03:53] <asmith42a> I'm in Synaptic Package Manager preferences and I don't see it, other than System Upgrade: Ask, Default, or Smart, whatever that is.
[03:53] <swhalen> asmith42a: same  heree, tthis comp is a friends. I installed xubuntu beacuse it was old. All my printers are Samba
[03:53] <case__> kalikiana_, yes right, i was talking about the gnome applet that warns you.
[03:54] <asmith42a> Oh, OK. Well, I can do without the notifier if it install automatically.
[03:54] <asmith42a> Or at least attempts to.
[03:54] <asmith42a> swhalen: And the USB port and printer worked before xubuntu?
[03:54] <case__> you can always put a "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" in a crontab somewhere :)
[03:55] <asmith42a> Yes, I suppose.
[03:56] <asmith42a> swhalen: A lone USB port is not listed on mine too. I don't have any printers plugged into the machine, though some network printers are shown automatically. Do you have the printer plugged in?
[03:58] <swhalen> asmith42a: they had windows, yes. I wonder if gnome-cups-add would find it
[03:58] <asmith42a> Worth a try, huh?
[04:00] <case__> what does "lsusb" say ?
[04:00] <swhalen> asmith42a: i dont have the comp with me. i tried to help them over the phone
[04:00] <swhalen> i should have thought of lsusb
[04:00] <swhalen> d'oh
[04:00] <case__> lsusb saves lives :)
[04:01] <swhalen> lol
[04:01] <asmith42a> That's one's new for me. Sorry, I didn't think of that.
[04:01] <asmith42a> er, That
[04:45] <archangelpetro> case__, well when i ls /usr/include   i only have the folders gtk-1.2 and gtk-2.0   no /usr/include/gtk/
[04:50] <archangelpetro> that point extends to any of you, if anyone could suggest a way to resolve it?
[04:50] <SwarthmoreDB> which point? i did not get it when i got here
[04:55] <Jester45> well when i ls /usr/include   i only have the folders gtk-1.2 and gtk-2.0   no /usr/include/gtk/
[04:55] <Jester45> thats the point
[04:55] <laserbeak43> howdy how
[04:56] <laserbeak43> whats a good mpg video player? i've tried xmovie and gxine but none of them play them
[04:56] <SwarthmoreDB> for best MPEG player use, use VLC
[04:57] <SwarthmoreDB> in my opinion I think it is the best one... im sure someone else can give you another program
[04:57] <laserbeak43> man this sux
[04:57] <laserbeak43> :P
[04:58] <Jester45> laserbeak43, mplayer
[04:58] <Jester45> i like mplayer-nogui
[04:58] <laserbeak43> alright i'll try those
[04:58] <Jester45> becuase its simpler and keeps my menu smaller
[04:58] <laserbeak43> Jester45: yeah you would
[04:58] <laserbeak43> lol
[04:58] <SwarthmoreDB> yea try that... give us feedback if they work out for you
[04:59] <Jester45> gota problem with that?
[04:59] <Jester45> its simple and you dont have to load much up
[05:00] <laserbeak43> Jester45: just teasing
[05:00] <laserbeak43> :)
[05:01] <laserbeak43> errors with mplayer too
[05:01] <Jester45> did you do the gui or nogui
[05:02] <laserbeak43> gui, the video prefferences are set to matrox(???) idont have a matrox
[05:03] <laserbeak43> ahh there we go!!
[05:03] <laserbeak43> thanks!!!
[05:03] <laserbeak43> how do you get mplayer to loop?
[05:04] <Jester45> ummm
[05:04] <Jester45> idk
[05:04] <Jester45> look at    man mplayer
[05:04] <Jester45> its has LOTS of stuff
[05:07] <archangelpetro> Jester45, the point? so.. i have to change every #include to <gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h>?
[05:08] <Jester45> idk
[05:08] <gabkdlly> laserbeak43: while true ; do mplayer file.mpg ; done ;)
[05:08] <archangelpetro> ok.
[05:09] <crimsun> archangelpetro: no
[05:09] <archangelpetro> then how do i resolve it?
[05:09] <crimsun> pkg-config --cflags gtk*  (not precise) should do that.
[05:10] <laserbeak43> gabkdlly: where on earth would i write that? terminal? ahhh cool i could even make a launcher with a command like that couldnt i?
[05:10] <crimsun> e.g., see `pkg-config --cflags glib-2.0`
[05:11] <crimsun> the relevant pkg-config sub for GTK+ 2 would be gtk+-2.0
[05:11] <archangelpetro> k
[05:11] <Jester45> i wish i knew all that you know crimsun
[05:11] <gabkdlly> laserbeak43: careful launching that script anywhere other than a terminal, as you will have to kill it with CTRL-C or the like
[05:11] <Jester45> i would be.... really smart
[05:11] <laserbeak43> gabkdlly: ok thanks
[05:12] <SwarthmoreDB> good job crimsun i was just gonna say the same thing... oh well
[05:14] <archangelpetro> thanks crimsun
[05:16] <laserbeak43> would i need to install KDE to use KDevelop?
[05:17] <laserbeak43> yep
[05:17] <laserbeak43> screw that
[05:24] <gerro> laserbeak43: umm?
[05:24] <gerro> laserbeak43: yeah you can run kdevelop and kanything on xubuntu
[05:24] <gerro> laserbeak43: there also eclipse, kwrite, anjuta, and several other nice development apps
[05:24] <laserbeak43> cool
[05:24] <laserbeak43> i like kde
[05:25] <laserbeak43> but it takes up so much space
[05:25] <laserbeak43> qne you need kdebase to install kdevelop
[05:25] <gerro> laserbeak43: hmm try anjuta its lite coding environment, if you need something larger there is eclipse
[05:27] <laserbeak43> not sure what i need honestly
[05:27] <laserbeak43> just starting really
[05:27] <laserbeak43> but one thing i do know is that the whole learning how to compile from a text editor and using switches was aheadache fo me
[05:28] <laserbeak43> though i should learn it sometime(maybe)
[05:28] <gerro> you know there other ways to compile source code you get....
[05:29] <laserbeak43> hmm?
[05:29] <gerro> like extracting it and doing ./configure make sudo make install etc etc..
[05:31] <laserbeak43> yeah
[05:31] <laserbeak43> i want to learn to write programs tho
[05:31] <laserbeak43> nit just compile
[05:36] <gerro> laserbeak43: just checking, be surprised how many linux beginners do crazy things with source code trying to learn how to compile..
[05:38] <gerro> laserbeak43: what is your forte even? I like using perl mostly :)
[05:50] <teknoboi> hey does anyone have any suggestions as far as server software goes for xubuntu?
[05:50] <teknoboi> <<< is new to the linux thing but is in the process of setting up a webserver
[05:51] <SwarthmoreDB> ok give us details about what you need from it and all
[05:51] <teknoboi> i need ftp, smtp, pop, http, ssi's, etc
[05:58] <gerro> ssi?
[05:59] <gerro> teknoboi: try setting up lamp server and using webmin interface through browser, that's what I do :)
[05:59] <Jester45> i co run a hosting company with all that set up for free
[06:01] <teknoboi> lamp server? is that a package download or
[06:02] <gerro> teknoboi: its an installation option with the ubuntu server cd, its an acronym for most the webserver stuff
[06:03] <teknoboi> ah i see
[06:03] <teknoboi> thanks for the advice, i'll check that out
[06:04] <gerro> teknoboi: I'll see if I can find a few guides to show you
[06:05] <teknoboi> that'd be great...thanks :-)
[06:08] <cheeseboy> how i substitute one key for another?
[06:14] <SwarthmoreDB> you mean use say, Windows instead of the Alt key???
[06:14] <gerro> windows?
[06:15] <SwarthmoreDB> i mean the Win key
[06:23] <gerro>  you mean the start key? http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/sadrzaj/linux_key.jpg
[06:28] <khmer> folks, can somebody give me a quick pointer on why the screen briefly blanks every ~60 seconds only while playing a DVD in gxine?
[06:32] <gerro> no clue...
[06:32] <gerro> I mainly use totem..
[06:34] <khmer> i may try totem, but i would like to have the fine-grained postprocessing
[06:35] <khmer> without, you know, having to use VLC ;-)
[06:40] <k> is there a file where i can tell xfce to run commands when it starts?
[06:44] <k> nevermind
[06:45] <gerro> yeah menu> settings> autostarted
[07:31] <bigredradio> I am unable to use fusesmb as a user. I have tries forums and wiki suggestions and still no luck. Anyone familiar with fusesmb?
[07:32] <bigredradio> error: fusermount: mount failed: Operation not permitted
[07:32] <bigredradio> suid is set.
[07:51] <hyper__ch> hihi
[07:51] <hyper__ch> hiho
[07:55] <TheSheep> bigredradio: you need to mount it in a directory owned by you
[07:55] <bigredradio> TheSheep: it is.
[07:56] <hyper_ch> hello TheSheep
[07:56] <TheSheep> hi hyper_ch
[07:56] <hyper_ch> bigredradio: do you use "sudo"?
[07:57] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: no, he uses fuse which shuld mount as normal user
[07:57] <bigredradio> hyper_ch: it will work with sudo, but the directory permissions change with the user.
[07:57] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: oh... ok
[07:57] <TheSheep> bigredradio: I'm not sure fusermount hsould have suid set
[07:57] <bigredradio> The wiki said to do this, but then I couldn't get root to use it. So I changed it back.
[07:58] <bigredradio> fusermount: mount failed: Operation not permitted
[07:58] <bigredradio> :-(
[07:58] <hyper_ch> !fuse
[07:58] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[08:01] <bigredradio> ubotu: Thanks, but I want to correct the problem I have, not try another method.
[08:03] <Jester45>  :)
[08:11] <cheeseboy> whats a good browser?
[08:11] <cheeseboy> firefox eats up too many resources
[08:11] <hyper_ch> ie4lin ^^
[08:11] <Jester45> dillo is smaller
[08:12] <cheeseboy> Firefox uses like 10% of my cpu
[08:13] <hyper_ch> well, then you still have 90% left :)
[08:13] <cheeseboy> makes my pc very slow
[08:13] <hyper_ch> how about opera?
[08:21] <cheeseboy> how i install dependicies to a deb package?
[08:22] <hyper_ch> cheeseboy: install it not from a package but from a repo :)
[08:31] <fiXXXerMet> I've installed the wifi-radar package.  wifi-radar detects my network(s), though I do not have a "connect" option - only "disconnect"
[08:32] <fiXXXerMet> "connected to None (IP address:  old.ip.from.ethernet) is at the bottom of the program
[08:32] <fiXXXerMet> I also can't edit or delete any of the found profiles
[08:33] <hyper_ch> !wifi-radar
[08:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wifi-radar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:33] <hyper_ch> !radar
[08:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about radar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:34] <hyper_ch> no clue, I don't use wifi radar
[08:34] <fiXXXerMet> What do you use?
[08:34] <hyper_ch> fiXXXerMet: the normal network configuration manager
[08:35] <fiXXXerMet> That doesn't do a very good job for wireless networks
[08:35] <fiXXXerMet> brb
[08:35] <hyper_ch> fiXXXerMet: works fine for me
[08:38] <fiXXXerMet> Does it show signal strength or give you options for passphrases or key strength?
[08:41] <hyper_ch> options for passphrases or key strength? what do I need that for? and for signal strenght I have RFlowCollector
[08:41] <fiXXXerMet> humm.
[08:42] <hyper_ch> I run an unprotected wifi here ;)
[08:43] <Jester45> thats nice of you
[08:43] <hyper_ch> Jester45: well, due to this I can use torrent without problems :)
[08:43] <hyper_ch> Jester45: I am not liable if my connection gets hijacked and someone does illegal things ;)
[08:44] <hyper_ch> Jester45: and since everything is encrypted here the can't proof I did something ;)
[08:44] <Jester45> well... whats your bandwidth
[08:45] <hyper_ch> 10mbit/2mbit
[08:45] <Jester45> if its really high most people willnot use it all up... but if you where close to me i would suck your connection dry :)
[08:45] <Jester45> yea... i would use your connection for torrent seeding
[08:46] <Jester45> but... thats just me
[08:46] <hyper_ch> Jester45: I do... downloading here is not illegal... but uploading is sort of a grey-zone
[08:46] <Jester45> the only connection that i can get from my house is 256/128 so it doesnt add much
[08:46] <hyper_ch> Jester45: by having an open wifi and by having encrypted partitions they can't say I did seed
[08:47] <Jester45> yea.. but would you like to have all your bandwidith for your own use
[08:47] <hyper_ch> so far none has used my wifi yet :)
[08:47] <hyper_ch> or not that I noticed
[08:48] <mikeconcepts> my screen resolution is 800x600 and nothing is available to go any higher, yet in every other distro I use, I get 124x768
[08:48] <mikeconcepts> ubuntu goes to 1024, xubuntu doesn't
[08:48] <mikeconcepts> what's up with that?
[08:48] <fiXXXerMet> What video card?
[08:49] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: alter your xorg.conf
[08:49] <mikeconcepts> nvidia fx5200
[08:49] <fiXXXerMet> xubuntu is probably not using the restricted or better drives that ubuntu is?
[08:49] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: restricted drivers installed?
[08:49] <mikeconcepts> yes
[08:49] <mikeconcepts> installed via menu
[08:50] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: you could reconfigure your xorg.conf
[08:50] <mikeconcepts> headed for it now
[08:50] <hyper_ch> make a backup first ;)
[08:51] <Jester45> hyper_ch, do you live in the city?
[08:51] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:51] <hyper_ch> Jester45: yes
[08:51] <Jester45> hi
[08:51] <Jester45> hyper_ch, im suprised your wifi hasnt been used haved been used
[08:52] <hyper_ch> there are so many wifis here... I guess each one has its own
[08:52] <hyper_ch> Jester45: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2007062209235346
[08:53] <hyper_ch> Jester45: yeah :)
[08:53] <hyper_ch> Jester45: move to a city
[08:53] <hyper_ch> Jester45: did you have a look at that url?
[08:54] <mikeconcepts> Identifier      "nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] "
[08:54] <mikeconcepts>         Driver          "nvidia"
[08:54] <mikeconcepts> nothing wrong there
[08:54] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: glxgears
[08:54] <hyper_ch> does it run fine?
[08:55] <mikeconcepts> yes
[08:55] <mikeconcepts> fps 1445
[08:55] <mikeconcepts>  Defaultdepth    24
[08:55] <mikeconcepts>         SubSection "Display"
[08:55] <mikeconcepts>                 Depth   1
[08:55] <mikeconcepts>                 Modes           "1024x768"      "800x600"       "640x480"
[08:55] <hyper_ch> hmmm, how about just adding the other resolution to the xorg.config?
[08:56] <mikeconcepts> where is that?
[08:56] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: hmmm, you have 1024x768 in there
[08:56] <mikeconcepts> yet not available
[08:57] <hyper_ch> is it also in the 24 section further down?
[08:57] <mikeconcepts> yes
[08:57] <mikeconcepts> Section "Monitor"
[08:57] <mikeconcepts>         Identifier      "Generic Monitor"
[08:57] <mikeconcepts>         Option          "DPMS"
[08:57] <mikeconcepts>         Horizsync       28-51
[08:57] <mikeconcepts>         Vertrefresh     43-60
[08:57] <hyper_ch>         SubSection "Display"
[08:57] <hyper_ch>                 Depth           24
[08:57] <hyper_ch>                 Modes           "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[08:57] <hyper_ch>         EndSubSection
[08:58] <mikeconcepts> SubSection "Display"
[08:58] <mikeconcepts>                 Depth   24
[08:58] <mikeconcepts>                 Modes           "1024x768"      "800x600"       "640x480"
[08:58] <mikeconcepts>         EndSubSection
[08:58] <hyper_ch> Section "Monitor"
[08:58] <hyper_ch>         Identifier      "Acer AL1951"
[08:58] <hyper_ch>         Option          "DPMS"
[08:58] <hyper_ch>         HorizSync       30-83
[08:58] <hyper_ch>         VertRefresh     55-75
[08:58] <hyper_ch> EndSection
[08:58] <hyper_ch> hmmm.... maybe it's because of the generic monitor? Well, I have no clue
[08:59] <aroo> Whoa dudes
[08:59] <aroo> !paste
[08:59] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:00] <mikeconcepts> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:00] <hyper_ch> aroo: just the two of us talking in here so calm down
[09:00] <Jester45> mine has a generic moniter listed on it
[09:00] <mikeconcepts> I'll poke around in this and see if there are any clues
[09:00] <aroo> hyper_ch: I'm very calm
[09:01] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  --> maybe that helps... but make a backup first
[09:01] <Jester45> hyper_ch, your wasting bandwidth with all the extra text :)
[09:01] <mikeconcepts> ok, already did the backup, so will do that now
[09:01] <hyper_ch> Jester45: not really, by pasting directly in here instead of first opening a pastebin, pasting it there, copy'n'paste the pastebin url in here uses more bandwith
[09:02] <Jester45> but not for me
[09:02] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: and after that you need to restart your xserver
[09:02] <mikeconcepts> ok, thanks
[09:02] <hyper_ch> Jester45: get more of it
[09:02] <hyper_ch> Jester45: did you have a look at the url?
[09:02] <Jester45> yes
[09:02] <Jester45> thats prety funny
[09:03] <Jester45> does MS put all the downloads up or is it user summited
[09:03] <hyper_ch> Jester45: no clue... but it's an official M$ site ^^
[09:03] <Jester45> they probly do it them selfves
[09:04] <Jester45> and if not its still looked over by Ms
[09:04] <Jester45> they7 dont
[09:04] <hyper_ch> Jester45: how do you know?
[09:05] <hyper_ch> why is amarok failing to submit to last.fm
[09:05] <hyper_ch> :(
[09:05] <Jester45> 1, they wouldnt support linux. 2, they would have to much time on their hands if theydid because they wouldnt have to run efrag
[09:05] <hyper_ch> Jester45: well, it takes a lot of time to consciously create such a crappy OS... so they need to be efficient on that ^^
[09:07] <Jester45> no... all they do is bloat the code or add usees tools and make the gui a bit more flashes
[09:07] <Jester45> flashy*
[09:07] <Jester45> then just before the release they add some fancy ways to keep people from using it
[09:07] <hyper_ch> Jester45: but that needs also a lot of time... first you have to think about how to add bloat the best way
[09:08] <Jester45> likes having everything hal does encrypted :)
[09:08] <hyper_ch> encryption is good...
[09:08] <Jester45> yea on network
[09:09] <hyper_ch> not only there
[09:09] <Jester45> would you want the data going from your dvd drive to your cpu being enycripted with 2000bit encrytion
[09:09] <hyper_ch> one of the partners at work works in two firms and he uses a single notebook...
[09:09] <Jester45> or 2048
[09:10] <Jester45> encryption might be good but not on stupid things
[09:10] <hyper_ch> Jester45: since this is all confidential data (lawyer and revision) it would be pretty bad if the notebook or his usb-stick would get stolen
[09:10] <Jester45> and not by defualt
[09:10] <hyper_ch> Jester45: so I set him up with truecrypt (he uses winxp)
[09:10] <Jester45> well thats a better way
[09:11] <Jester45> but having everything the Os does encrypted is a waste of time on a media pc
[09:11] <hyper_ch> Jester45: for me it's just two harddisks ^^
[09:11] <Jester45> if your going to have it entergrated like that at least have it like windows firewall. so that you can turn it on if you need
[09:11] <mikeconcepts> done, will see if it crashes, in which case I'll put the backup in place
[09:11] <mikeconcepts> see ya
[09:12] <hyper_ch> Jester45: what do you mean?
[09:12] <hyper_ch> Jester45: with windows firewall?
[09:13] <Jester45> on xp you can turn windows firewall of it you want. but on vista you cant turn off the encrytion unless you want to run a third party crack/hack
[09:13] <hyper_ch> Jester45: ah ok... another reason not to use vista
[09:14] <hyper_ch> linux is more and more coming... it's getting quite popular in France :)
[09:14] <Jester45> yes... and even if you need to encrypt your dvd drive... use 128 or somthing on the lower end no 2048
[09:15] <hyper_ch> why not 2048? ^^
[09:15] <Jester45> becuase its a lot slower for no reason
[09:15] <hyper_ch> Jester45: well the french parliament and their staff change to linux desktops
[09:15] <hyper_ch> Jester45: and Peugeot is also on the verge on converting 20k desktop over to linux
[09:16] <Jester45> i think the US goverment uses linux idk if only linux but im gessing the servers are linux
[09:16] <hyper_ch> Jester45: unfortunately the swiss government doesn't have plans yet
[09:16] <Jester45> i dont know what Peugeot is...
[09:16] <hyper_ch> a car producer
[09:16] <Jester45> well.. i got to go to work in a bit
[09:16] <hyper_ch> there's more than GM  ;)
[09:17] <hyper_ch> http://www.peugeot.com/en/default.htm
[09:21] <mikeconcepts> had to restore xorg.conf from backup, I apparently don't know what I'm doing answering all these questions
[09:21] <Jester45> bye bye all
[09:22] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: hmmm :(
[09:22] <mikeconcepts> too hard to do
[09:22] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: you could install gnome... save your xorg.conf and then replce the xubuntu one with the gnome one :)
[09:22] <mikeconcepts> nah
[09:22] <mikeconcepts> want xfce speed
[09:22] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: just make a small partition where you could install ubuntu to
[09:23] <hyper_ch> then have the correct xorg.conf that you then can move over
[09:23] <hyper_ch> and then you can remove ubuntu again
[09:23] <mikeconcepts> oh
[09:23] <mikeconcepts> now I see
[09:24] <mikeconcepts> actually, I'll do that from another drive I have ubuntu on
[09:24] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: ok ;)
[09:24] <mikeconcepts> and use its xorg.conf
[09:24] <mikeconcepts> very cool idea!
[09:24] <Jester45> no
[09:24] <hyper_ch> but I still don't know why it doesn't work in xubuntu
[09:24] <hyper_ch> Jester45: no?
[09:24] <Jester45> do you have a ubuntu live cd?
[09:25] <Jester45> get the xorg from that
[09:25] <mikeconcepts> Jester45, are you talking to me?
[09:25] <Jester45> yes
[09:25] <mikeconcepts> sure I have it
[09:25] <Jester45> boot it and copy the xorg
[09:25] <mikeconcepts> ok, I'll do that
[09:26] <Jester45> you can even mount the xubuntu partition
[09:26] <Jester45> so you can copy better
[09:26] <mikeconcepts> either way is about the same time to do, swapping drives is easy for me
[09:26] <hyper_ch> ^^
[09:26] <mikeconcepts> brb
[09:27] <hyper_ch> Jester45: I thought you need to work ;)
[09:27] <Jester45> i do...
[09:27] <Jester45> im watching the hills have eyes 2
[09:27] <Jester45> cant leave it :)
[09:27] <hyper_ch> lol
[09:28] <hyper_ch> maybe submission to last.fm work now with the new amarok
[09:28] <hyper_ch> lol
[09:28] <Jester45> sorryabout lang if anyone is offended
[09:29] <hyper_ch> I'm not offended...
[09:30] <hyper_ch> this thing about being offended is also some of this "political nonsense" c***
[09:39] <_peerless> hey, I am trying to install xubuntu from a usb drive (on a laptop that doesnt have a cdrom drive).  I made the stick bootable using syslinux.  I copied over the alternate cdrom iso to the stick, renamed isolinux folder and .bin and .cfg to syslinux.  Booted up, started the install. I get to the point where it tries to detect cdrom, cant.  I go to a shell and try to mount the usb as cdrom, but I am stuck at this step
[09:39] <_peerless> If I check the syslog when plugging in the drive, it puts it on sdb, but it also says unknown partition table, and I dont think it ever mounts to sdb1 so that could be why I cant mount it to the /cdrom
[09:39] <_peerless> Ive tried formatting it as fat and fat32, neither worked
[09:40] <_peerless> any idea?
[09:40] <mikeconcepts> comparing the xorg from ubuntu 7.03 to xubuntu 7.04 sid by side now
[09:40] <mikeconcepts> *7.04
[09:42] <hyper_ch> _peerless: never tried installing from a usb stick
[09:43] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: find anything?
[09:43] <_peerless> hyper_ch
[09:44] <_peerless> any reason why it would say unknown partition table?
[09:45] <mikeconcepts> rats, they are exactly the same
[09:46] <mikeconcepts> hyper_ch, disappointed - fully expected something would not be the same
[09:46] <hyper_ch> _peerless: nope... no clue... booting from cd works fine here... :)
[09:46] <mikeconcepts> stuck with 800x600 for now
[09:46] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: Applications --> Settings --> Settings Manager --> Display
[09:47] <mikeconcepts> yes, 10 times already
[09:47] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: no clue :(
[09:48] <mikeconcepts> 800 max
[09:48] <mikeconcepts> rats
[09:48] <hyper_ch> can you pastebin your config?
[09:50] <hyper_ch> !install | _peerless
[09:50] <ubotu> _peerless: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[09:51] <mikeconcepts> sure, it won't help, but will do
[09:51] <_peerless> Im already following a guide from there
[09:52] <hyper_ch> _peerless: how about using a different method?
[09:53] <_peerless> like?
[09:53] <_peerless> I dont have a cdrom drive
[09:53] <hyper_ch> second computer?
[09:53] <_peerless> netboot? I couldnt find a xubuntu pxe image
[09:55] <hyper_ch> _peerless: well, what do yuo have available?
[09:55] <hyper_ch> you don't need a xubuntu pxe image... a normal iso should be fine
[09:56] <mikeconcepts> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26785/
[09:56] <mikeconcepts> my xorg.conf, identical to one in ubuntu
[09:56] <mikeconcepts> btw, reason for running xubuntu is speed
[09:57] <mikeconcepts> loading xp under vmware server measurements:
[09:57] <mikeconcepts> this will be cool info for people
[09:57] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: what's the i2c module? I don't have that... but I have the dri one
[09:57] <mikeconcepts> ubuntu 7.01 from start of xp vm to first audible sound, 100 seconds
[09:57] <jsin> I lost my grub.conf, where would I find the proper kernel and initrd lines for xubuntu 7.04?
[09:57] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: I run xp in xubuntu (for partypoker)
[09:57] <mikeconcepts> vector soho 76 seconds
[09:58] <mikeconcepts> xumbuntu 67 seconds
[09:58] <hyper_ch> jsin: what do you mean by *lost*?
[09:58] <mikeconcepts> xumbuntu faster than vector standard as well
[09:58] <jsin> well, installed another distro...
[09:58] <jsin> that overtook it
[09:59] <jsin> I want to set up dual boot, i know xubuntu's /boot is hd0,0
[09:59] <mikeconcepts> 12c, no idea
[09:59] <jsin> I just need to find the kernel and initrd lines
[09:59] <hyper_ch> jsin: uname -a
[09:59] <jsin> not until I boot into it though :)
[10:00] <hyper_ch> jsin: well, then have a look at the /boot folder
[10:00] <mikeconcepts> i2c, clueless as to what it is
[10:00] <mikeconcepts> nvidia fx5200, audigy sound card
[10:00] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: take it out
[10:00] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: and replace it with  "dri"
[10:01] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: and make a backup ^^
[10:01] <mikeconcepts> ok, will try
[10:01] <mikeconcepts> backup is still there
[10:01] <hyper_ch> damn it...
[10:01] <hyper_ch> wait
[10:03] <Northernmonk> How do I set up a Netgear WG311 wifi card for WPA?
[10:04] <hyper_ch> !wpa | Northernmonk
[10:04] <ubotu> Northernmonk: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:04] <laserbeak43> i love xubuntu
[10:04] <laserbeak43> thanks guys
[10:04] <laserbeak43> :)
[10:04] <laserbeak43> one day when i learn better c++ i'll try to contribute :P
[10:05] <hyper_ch> laserbeak43: you got a palmlife drive?
[10:05] <laserbeak43> whats that? :P
[10:05] <mikeconcepts> booted up ok
[10:05] <jsin> thanks hyper_ch, I did not think to just ls the /boot :)
[10:05] <Asauce> I have an odd problem with my internet connection...
[10:05] <Asauce> I can IM and browse the web fine, but I can't connect to the internet to download updates or new packages.
[10:05] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: you were too quick.... I sort of adjust your conf to mine ;)
[10:05] <hyper_ch> laserbeak43: a pda
[10:06] <laserbeak43> oh hehe nope
[10:06] <laserbeak43> why
[10:06] <mikeconcepts> have dri now where i2c was
[10:06] <hyper_ch> laserbeak43: because kpilot does not yet sync everything with the lifedrive and I don't know any c++ at all
[10:06] <mikeconcepts> see no change in display setting, still has 800 as max
[10:06] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: ok, here's more to delete:
[10:06] <hyper_ch> 	Option		"AddARGBVisuals"	"True"
[10:06] <hyper_ch> 	Option		"AddARGBGLXVisuals"	"True"
[10:06] <mikeconcepts> ok
[10:07] <mikeconcepts> will do
[10:07] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: but wait ;)
[10:07] <_peerless> does xubuntu run that much better than ubuntu?
[10:07] <mikeconcepts> waiting
[10:07] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: there's maybe more to come
[10:07] <hyper_ch> _peerless: depends on how you define "better"
[10:07] <laserbeak43> hyper_ch: wish i could help you there
[10:07] <laserbeak43> :)
[10:07] <hyper_ch> laserbeak43: don't worry
[10:07] <laserbeak43> maybe one day
[10:07] <laserbeak43> have a good day guys
[10:07] <laserbeak43> off to school
[10:07] <_peerless> im running a 1.4ghz pentium m with 512mb ram, should i use xubuntu or ubuntu
[10:08] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: what size does your screen have? 19"?
[10:08] <hyper_ch> _peerless: I'd go with xubuntu... but then I have 1gb ram and 1.6ghz processor
[10:08] <mikeconcepts> 15
[10:08] <hyper_ch> _peerless: but performance shouldn't matter much - depending on what you run
[10:08] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: ok...
[10:08] <_peerless> isnt xubuntu "lighter" than ubuntu itself?
[10:09] <mikeconcepts> every other distro goes to 1024
[10:09] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: at the end add this:
[10:09] <hyper_ch> Section "Extensions"
[10:09] <hyper_ch>           Option  "Composite" "Enable"
[10:09] <hyper_ch> EndSection
[10:09] <mikeconcepts> i2c and dri will get switched back
[10:09] <mikeconcepts> keyboard isn't right now
[10:09] <hyper_ch> _peerless: it is... but then if you run like 100 appz it doesn't matter anymore
[10:10] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: and maybe set default depth to 16
[10:10] <_peerless> yeah
[10:10] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: and then try if that has helpeed
[10:10] <mikeconcepts> ok
[10:11] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: then you have the same as me except for refreshing rates and graphic card....
[10:11] <mikeconcepts> ok, off to do
[10:18] <mikeconcepts> nothing changed
[10:19] <mikeconcepts> but still works with two lines removed, i2c, and 16
[10:19] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: hmmm... ok... then I don't know... wanna also alter the refresh rate?
[10:19] <mikeconcepts> that I don't know how to do
[10:19] <hyper_ch>         HorizSync       30-83
[10:19] <hyper_ch>         VertRefresh     55-75
[10:19] <hyper_ch> those are mine
[10:19] <mikeconcepts> but the rate in xorg is the same as in ubuntu remember
[10:19] <hyper_ch> if you use them... xserver probably won't run
[10:19] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: yes... hmm... it's strange
[10:20] <hyper_ch> another thing you could do
[10:20] <hyper_ch> (1) install ubuntu
[10:20] <hyper_ch> (2) install restricted drivers
[10:20] <mikeconcepts> problem must be somewhere other than xork
[10:20] <hyper_ch> (3) remove the ubuntu stuff and download/install xubuntu stuff
[10:20] <mikeconcepts> did that already
[10:20] <hyper_ch> psychocat has a the packages for doing that
[10:21] <mikeconcepts> clue, I don't see the nvidia logo during bootup
[10:21] <mikeconcepts> usually always do
[10:21] <mikeconcepts> so
[10:21] <mikeconcepts> perhaps that is it
[10:21] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: nope, you have the option nologo set
[10:21] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: I have that also
[10:22] <mikeconcepts> need to find a way to install restricted drivers again, even though it already is
[10:22] <mikeconcepts> dunno
[10:22] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: can't really help you... :(
[10:22] <mikeconcepts> but you sure tried :)
[10:22] <hyper_ch> actually...
[10:22] <hyper_ch> change from nvidia to "nv"
[10:22] <hyper_ch> then you can remove the nvidia drivers
[10:22] <hyper_ch> sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia*
[10:23] <mikeconcepts> right
[10:23] <hyper_ch> that should remove them
[10:23] <mikeconcepts> recall that now
[10:23] <hyper_ch> then reboot and try to install teh restriced again
[10:30] <mikeconcepts> goodby nvidia, hello nv - brb
[10:34] <tempelhueter> hi guys. is there a file which contains the autostart-programs? i searched for it, but i only find a gentoo how-to, which tells me, that i have to create a folder "autostart" on my desktop. is this the only way?
[10:34] <tempelhueter> i that a daemon in the xfce start
[10:35] <hyper_ch> why don't you just make use of the session?
[10:36] <mikeconcepts> installing linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-16-generic
[10:37] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: ?
[10:37] <mikeconcepts> needs restart
[10:38] <mikeconcepts> will let you know in a minute
[10:39] <Communial> hi
[10:40] <hyper_ch> hi
[10:41] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: ok, booting works... let's hope for the rest :)
[10:41] <mikeconcepts> glxgears back to being fast again, but still stuck at 800x600
[10:42] <hyper_ch> :(
[10:42] <mikeconcepts> so we have changed a lot of stuff, removed and reinstalled restricted drivers
[10:42] <mikeconcepts> who knows what is going on here
[10:42] <hyper_ch> I dunno why it works with ubuntu and not with xubuntu
[10:42] <mikeconcepts> and every other distro for that matter
[10:42] <mikeconcepts> just this one
[10:43] <mikeconcepts> wonder if because I used a beta CD I have this issue, even though I've done all the possible updates
[10:43] <mikeconcepts> figured that the beta was ok as long as I update
[10:43] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: you use Gutsy?
[10:44] <mikeconcepts> no
[10:44] <mikeconcepts> refering to feisty beta, I just havn't bothered burning another cd
[10:44] <hyper_ch> mikeconcepts: well, you may want to try with the final feisty then
[10:44] <mikeconcepts> yuk ola
[10:44] <mikeconcepts> but may have to
[10:45] <mikeconcepts> guess I will, tomorrow
[11:18] <dewp> ola guys
[11:19] <rokra> Hola
[11:19] <dewp> i'm trying to install xubuntu 7.04 on ntfs formatted hdd, the installer can't create an ext3 partition
[11:19] <dewp> is it cause the hdd is 300gb large?
[11:19] <rokra> No idea
[11:19] <dewp> then i wanted to do it with parted, but i dont know the installer cd's sudo password
[11:19] <dewp> what is it? :)
[11:20] <rokra> sudo su - will pass you as root no? not need a pass
[11:20] <hyper_ch> dewp: you can simply delete that ntfs partition and create an ext3 one
[11:21] <dewp> i tried that
[11:21] <dewp> i'm not THAT stupid
[11:21] <dewp> =)
[11:21] <hyper_ch> dewp: well, it works
[11:21] <dewp> tried it with gparted and the installer's tool
[11:21] <dewp> both did not make it
[11:21] <hyper_ch> how about alternate cd?
[11:22] <dewp> did not try it - are there better tools?
[11:22] <hyper_ch> you could use the command line
[11:23] <dewp> okay, downloading it right now
[11:23] <hyper_ch> all I can say it works....
[11:23] <hyper_ch> you can use the command line from the live cd also
[11:23] <dewp> untill its finished, what is the password for the live cd?
[11:23] <dewp> for sudo
[11:23] <hyper_ch> there is none
[11:24] <dewp> when i do parted it says that i'm not root
[11:24] <hyper_ch> sudo parted
[11:24] <hyper_ch> or gksudo gparted
[11:24] <dewp> yeah - "enter password"
[11:24] <hyper_ch> and without sudo?
[11:24] <dewp> with just enter it says "authentication failed"
[11:25] <dewp> without it says "youre not root" (something similar)
[11:25] <hyper_ch> how about setting first a password for the user that you are
[11:25] <hyper_ch> passwd
[11:25] <hyper_ch> and then sudo parted / gksudo gparted
[11:26] <dewp> yey :)
[11:26] <dewp> good idea
[11:27] <dewp> brb *switch monitor & keyboard*
[11:29] <hyper_ch> if there are two computers and if they are networked, install openssh-server
[11:29] <hyper_ch> for remote login
[11:59] <dewp> i created new partitions with parted in the command line, but it was only able to create ext2
[11:59] <dewp> but i need ext3, right?
[11:59] <hyper_ch> just delete the partition and then create new ones with the installer
[12:00] <dewp> i tried, maybe the hdd have failures
[12:00] <dewp> is there something better like fsck?
[12:00] <dewp> with the live cd
[12:00] <hyper_ch> no clue
[12:01] <Pumpernickel> If the partition is there already, you can just build a filesystem on it with mkfs.
[12:01] <hyper_ch> but you need at leat 2 partitions... 3 are better
[12:01] <dewp> i know
[12:01] <dewp> Pumpernickel i cannot create ext3 with parted :(


[01:01] <sarnold> blahdeblah: <3 :D
[01:30] <amurray> blahdeblah: thanks - I am in two minds about unattended-upgrades - it is fine and does what it says on the tin but for a lot of use-cases it is just too simplistic - ideally it would allow much finer grained customisation / integration with other services
[13:23] <sdeziel> IMHO, the problem isn't so much about unattended-upgrades itself but more with systemd-networkd being restarted post-upgrade. This is known to wreak havoc as you loose a bunch of "state" like routes injected or bridge parents and what not
[13:24] <sdeziel> I feel like systemd-networkd falls in the same category as Xorg for example, just don't restart it post-upgrade, wait for a complete reboot to pick up the patched bins/libs on disk
[13:25] <sdeziel> that said, maybe there are good reasons to force a daemon restart during post-inst.
[13:25] <tobhe> we clearly need systemd livepatch
[13:30] <ebarretto> lol
[13:41] <tobhe> networkd is really a tricky one. Looking at the CVE list there are many where the attack vector is local only but at least some of them can be triggered with crafted DHCP packages and the likes
[14:03] <rbasak> What's injecting the state? Would it be reasonable stuff that change state but doesn't arrange to persist it to have a mechanism to reinject the state when needed?
[14:16] <sdeziel> rbasak: it can be multiple things. For example, if you have a LXD defined network with `bridge.external_interfaces=eth0`, restarting networkd will have that bridge loose its eth0 parent.
[14:16] <sdeziel> rbasak: also, in the case of datadog it was some externally injected routes that were lost during networkd restart
[14:18] <sdeziel> not restarting networkd feels like the simple solution. The more complex one would be to serialize it's state when going down and reload it afterward.
[14:20] <rbasak> Not restarting it would leave it vulnerable though.
[14:20] <rbasak> (in the general case, certainly)
[14:20] <rbasak> So maybe good integration with needrestart?
[23:52] <blahdeblah> amurray: Agreed that it's simple, but that's what the vast majority of use cases need, IMO.  I customise my config to constrain the reboot window and for me that's enough, but obviously that wouldn't have helped Datadog in this case, because of the particular issues with systemd-networkd.