[17:35] <mokmeister> ahoy!
[17:36] <zmoylan> awho?
[17:39] <mokmeister> hehe, hello zmoylan
[17:39] <zmoylan> hi mokmeister, enjoying the cooler weather?
[17:40] <mokmeister> Jeez, I duuno about cooler, found it kinda humid today, was sweating like I was in a sauna today. I suppose a bit of humidity and a bit of manual labour can do that to you! ;)
[17:41] <zmoylan> well dublin has 100% humidity at the mo so it is coming down :-)
[17:43] <mokmeister> Yeah, some mad rain showers, but apart from that it's been mostly nice.
[17:43] <zmoylan> doesn't feel like ireland if it's not raining
[17:43] <mokmeister> lol
[17:43] <Belgarath> it was fine when it wasn't
[17:43] <Belgarath> felt like ireland all the same
[17:43] <Belgarath> :)
[17:44] <mokmeister> Nah, dull grey constant mist feels more like Ireland!
[17:44] <mokmeister> hi Belgarath
[17:45] <Belgarath> I don't know about mist it sort of diffiult to see one
[17:47] <mokmeister> Question for ye: Do ye use skype or hangouts and if so have ye experienced any audio issues since upgrading to 13.04?
[17:47] <Belgarath> skype
[17:47] <Belgarath> no issues
[17:48] <Belgarath> as for hanouts i rearly use them so ti is hard to comment
[17:48] <Belgarath> but i have a real sound card in my pc :)
[17:48] <czajkowski> any takers http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1j166z/hi_im_mark_shuttleworth_founder_of_ubuntu/
[17:48] <mokmeister> Belgarath: What kind of webcam do you have?
[17:48] <mokmeister> czajkowski: Cool, will check it out
[17:49] <Belgarath> mokmeister: ps3 eye
[17:50] <zmoylan> don't use skype, voip or hangouts.  unsociable sod that i am :-)
[17:58] <mokmeister> Belgarath: so you use your PS3 for skyping or you have your PS3 eye working on Ubuntu?
[17:58] <Belgarath> just ps3 eye as a usb camera
[17:58] <mokmeister> ok
[17:58] <mokmeister> cool
[17:58] <Belgarath> got one extra with soem game where i didn't intend too
[17:58] <Belgarath> and it is prettty decent qwuality
[17:59] <zmoylan> always good to have a backup
[17:59] <mokmeister> indeed, good stuff
[17:59] <mokmeister> I have a feeling it's something to do with the webcam, just not sure
[17:59] <mokmeister> Logitech Quickcam 9000
[18:00] <mokmeister> did a bit of reading on it there last night and there do seem to be some issues floating around with hangouts and skype and pulse audio. Didn't find any solutions though.
[18:01] <mokmeister> Was hoping a quick fix would be to swap out the camera
[20:39] <mokmeister> Have been reading that reddit AMA. Very interesting.
[20:39] <mokmeister> Some very good points in it.
[20:40] <mokmeister> Personally would like to see an open device, how practical that is I don't know.
[20:40] <mokmeister> I suppose the fact that the vivaldi isn't open points to the fact that it isn't really all that easy to use open hardware
[20:41] <mokmeister> Fairtrade hw and supply channels would be important also, especially considering the fact that Ubuntu is "Linux for Human Beings"
[20:43] <mokmeister> I found Mark Shuttleworth's comment regarding community based crowd funding producing a better phone than one person interesting.
[20:44] <mokmeister> Also the realism regarding being unable to compete without losing against mainstream phone manufacturers for me shows how clued in he is.
[20:45] <mokmeister> He's someone to admire, for as much as what he is trying to do as for what he has already achieved.
[20:45] <mokmeister> met.ie
[20:46] <mokmeister> doh! Sorry, not meant for here! :D
[20:49] <mokmeister> Jaysus, the old weather forecast doesn't look great.
[20:50] <mokmeister> Dry spells with thundery showers and local spot flooding.
[20:58] <tdr112> airurando: hey
[20:59] <tdr112> going to any of the festival of curiosity events
[21:07] <airurando> hi tdr112
[21:07] <airurando> no can do.
[21:07] <airurando> :-(
[21:08] <airurando> heading south at the weekend.
[21:08] <airurando> saw the tog ducks on the nine o clock news though :-)
[21:08] <mokmeister> looks really interesting
[21:09] <airurando> rte did a good job
[22:33] <tdr112> ha


[09:31] <tboston> moin
[09:31] <tboston> I installed Android 5.1 on my Aquaris E5 HD Ubuntu Edition
[09:31] <tboston> now I was wondering how I could get back on Ubuntu Touch
[09:32] <tboston> since I can not unlock the Bootloader I guess
[09:50] <oSoMoN> Saviq, hey, can the milestone for bug #1433138 be updated please? it wasn’t fixed in ota9.1
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> tboston: did you read the install guide from topic?
[10:01] <tboston> lotuspsychje: yes I did, installing Ubuntu in a VM right now
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> tboston: ok, good luck :p
[11:06] <[tj]> moin
[11:49] <abeato> ogra_, hi, I have this MP for touch ramdisk: https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/ubuntu/vivid/initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch/support-adb-lollipop/+merge/288917
[11:49] <abeato> ogra_, mind taking a look?
[11:50] <ogra_> abeato, uuuh, why did you duplicate the adb upstart job code into the initrd ?
[11:50] <ogra_> oh, i see, its the panic function ...
[11:50] <abeato> ogra_, that is for the "panic" mode, which we enter before something else fails
[11:50] <abeato> *when
[11:50] <abeato> yep
[11:51] <ogra_> that should actually be removed altogether instead of being made functional ... its a security hole
[11:51] <abeato> well, to enter it you need to change one of the init scripts
[11:52] <abeato> if you can do that you already have full control ;)
[11:52] <ogra_> (modify the rootfs in a way that it triggers the panic and you have 100% root control from initrd over all data, even if the bootloader and recovery are locked down)
[11:53] <ogra_> you dont need to change the init scripts but andything on the MMC ...
[11:53] <ogra_> *any
[11:53] <ogra_> (or the kernel cmdline or whatnot, there are many attack vectors here)
[11:53] <ogra_> this function should be in a developer initrd ... but not in production
[11:55] <ogra_> abeato, technically the code is indeed fine ... but conceptual you guys should probably discuss if that should be in a production intird at all ...
[11:55] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, ^^^
[11:56] <ogra_> (it was on a long standing list (together with dropping all vars from /etc/environment for example) for removal in the old phablet team)
[11:57] <john-mcaleely> ogra_, if you wish to veto some feature of the phone initrd, I'm not going to contradict you. However, we'll not be making a separate developer initrd as a maintained thing anytime soon
[11:58] <john-mcaleely> so don't assume we will
[11:58] <ogra_> well, you guys make the decision, i can just give hints ;)
[11:58] <john-mcaleely> 'no' is a very strong hint
[11:58] <ogra_> the panic function in the initrd is a known risk though
[11:58] <abeato> ogra_, ok, if you think it is a real security risk I can add a line to return as soon as the script starts. we can remove that line if we want to debug
[11:58] <john-mcaleely> I'm not technically competent to make a call here
[11:59] <ogra_> perhaps someone from the security team, wants to chime in, perhaps i'm just over-cautious
[11:59] <ogra_> as i said, i think it should be discussed
[11:59] <ogra_> i'm fine with the code though
[11:59] <abeato> what I see is that we do a "panic" only when we cannot mount data or system partitions
[11:59] <john-mcaleely> is this worth a mail on ubuntu-touch?
[12:00] <ogra_> yeah, perhaps
[12:00] <ogra_> abeato, right, the question is how hard or easy is to trigger that for an attacker i guess ... the point is that it works around all lockdowns that vendors could do *if* you can actually exploit it
[12:01] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, i'm pretty sure ondra actually maintains such an initrd (with an adjusted adbd inside that actually allows you to debug the initial boot)
[12:02] <john-mcaleely> what he does in private between consenting adults his his business ;-)
[12:02] <ogra_> lol
[12:02] <ogra_> k
[12:03] <john-mcaleely> what we support as an org, is another matter
[12:03] <ogra_> well, if you want to do a port you need such an initrd .... it is very ulikely that you make a phone boot on first attempt
[12:03] <john-mcaleely> indeed
[12:03] <john-mcaleely> and without such a thing, we have perpetual 'undo the hacks' work items in porting
[12:04] <john-mcaleely> none of this is ideal
[12:04] <ogra_> in such an initrd the panic function is actually essential
[12:04] <abeato> certainly
[12:07] <ondra> ogra_ john-mcaleely abeato I understand all sides and kinda agree for both. We need it for bringup, and don't want it in production
[12:08] <john-mcaleely> ondra, I think you just picked up an action then - to document on a wiki how to hack the production initrd
[12:08] <ondra> another view is that, if we don't change adb binary in there, it's all academical anyway. since adbd will fail
[12:08] <ogra_> yeah, that too
[12:08] <john-mcaleely> and we remove this particular thing from the production initrd
[12:09] <abeato> correct, just keeping the hacked adbd out leaves us safe
[12:10] <ondra> despite all the efforts I did sneak into build options way to overlay initrd, for this exact reason
[12:10] <ondra> so I'd say, new git repo in phablet to host this "hacking" overlay for initrd, which we can trigger locally when building boot.img
[12:11] <ondra> and do not add anything to stock initrd, rather clean it from this half baked not working solution
[12:11] <ogra_> +1
[12:11] <abeato> ondra, +1 too
[12:11] <ogra_> just have a re-pack script in the pahblet tree
[12:12] <ondra> there are about 50 different ways to trigger panic in initrd, and this will open you whole front door to device,
[12:12] <ogra_> that pulls the right bits into the dev initrd you produce (here i'm totally in favour of re-packaing btw :) )
[12:12] <ondra> ogra_ that is already there, I sneaked it in :P
[12:12] <ogra_> great ...
[12:13] <ondra> we just need some git repo to host those bringup overlay, rather than mine and abeato chinstrap
[12:16] <ondra> I will create that, and may be some easy way to build it
[12:16] <ondra> who's gonna do a bit of cleaning on boot image then?
[12:17] <ogra_> i guess changing the panic() function to a "sleep 10; /sbin/reboot" or so would do
[12:17] <tboston> 2016/03/14 13:15:48 Expecting the device to be in the bootloader... waiting
[12:17] <tboston> 2016/03/14 13:15:49 Device is |VEGETAHD|
[12:17] <tboston> 2016/03/14 13:15:49 Device VEGETAHD not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com channel ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en
[12:17] <tboston> anyone?
[12:18] <ogra_> (or probably "/sbin/reboot recovery" so you dont end up with a boot loop that you need to intercept manually)
[12:18] <tboston> I see that theres 'vegetahd' instead of 'VEGETAHD' if that matters
[13:07] <tboston> 2016/03/14 14:05:44 Cache formatting was not successful, flashing may fail, check your partitions on device
[13:07] <tboston> 2016/03/14 14:05:44 Can't boot recovery image
[13:09] <ogra_> tboston, and that device was bought with ubuntu on it ?
[13:10] <tboston> ogra_: yup
[13:10] <tboston> btw found an article where there is a vegetahd recovery image
[13:10] <tboston> trying that now
[13:32] <tboston> hmm
[13:32] <tboston> still
[15:38] <peat-psuwit> Have anyone experienced this: When connect to some bluetooth headset, the phone thinks there's a keyboard and won't show OSK.
[15:40] <dobey> peat-psuwit: what headset is it btw?
[15:41] <ogra_> peat-psuwit, i think popey had a bug for "BT selfie buttons" (i.e. a single button that makes your camera take a pick), that likely the same issue (play/pause function on a headset)
[15:42] <ogra_> *pic
[15:42] <popey> bug 1451724
[15:42] <ogra_> they all register as input devices
[15:42] <ogra_> (of type "keyboard"
[15:42] <ogra_> )
[15:43] <peat-psuwit> ogra_ popey: It's Remax RB-S3
[15:44] <popey> doesn't really matter what make/model it is
[15:44] <popey> they're pretty much all the same
[15:44] <ogra_> yeah
[15:47] <peat-psuwit> popey: The phone can't separate between actuall bluetooth keyboard and remote/headset with play/pause button?
[15:47] <popey> indeed
[15:48] <ogra_> peat-psuwit, the device registers as input device of type keyboard
[15:48] <ogra_> even if it is just a one-key-kbd
[15:48] <dobey> i guess the client side needs to handle multiple profiles on a device better
[15:49] <ogra_> yeah
[15:49] <ogra_> or check for specific keys to exist that you definitely only have on a kbd or some such
[17:49] <mterry> bfiller: can you or someone look at https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/camera-app/convergence_fullscreen/+merge/288844 ?
[17:49] <mterry> sister MP to the approved gallery-app and mediaplayer-app ones
[18:02] <mterry> Kaleo: ^ do you have someone in mind to review that
[18:37] <Kaleo> mterry, let me see
[18:38] <Kaleo> mterry, did you write that?
[18:38] <mterry> Kaleo: didn't you?
[18:39] <mterry> Kaleo: well you wrote the commit (in a superceded MP)
[18:39] <Kaleo> mterry, the code yes, that MR though it unknown to me
[18:39] <mterry> Kaleo: Saviq just reproposed it under a team branch so he could merge in trunk
[18:39] <mterry> Kaleo: but no one reviewed the original either (https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/camera-app/convergence_fullscreen/+merge/286340)
[18:39] <Kaleo> mterry, it was reviewed anyway
[18:40] <Kaleo> mterry, and the proper one is https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/camera-app/convergence_fullscreen_staging/+merge/286885
[18:40] <Kaleo> mterry, we don't merge in trunk
[18:40] <Kaleo> mterry, so, what do you need?
[18:40] <Kaleo> mterry, or rather, what does Michal need?
[18:40] <Kaleo> mterry, he was supposed to ping when the patch we require for that MR lands in the image
[18:40] <Kaleo> mterry, then we could land that MR
[18:41] <mterry> Kaleo: we're trying to land them at the same time in silo 41
[18:41] <Kaleo> mterry, won't happen
[18:41] <Kaleo> mterry, for 2 reasons:
[18:41] <Kaleo> mterry, 1) the app is a click
[18:41] <Kaleo> mterry, 2) we merge things in staging not in trunk
[18:41] <mterry> Kaleo: we have some manual upload click in the silo too
[18:41] <mterry> Presumably built from that branch
[18:42] <Kaleo> mterry, once the silo 41 is landed, I will make a camera release
[18:42] <Kaleo> mterry, not to worry
[18:42] <mterry> mzanetti: ^
[18:55] <bfiller> mterry, Kaleo: yes, gallery and camera should both land after that silo lands but seperately as they are clicks
[19:36] <21WAAFX9X> Hello. Is GPS working yet at Nexus 4? I'm using mako image, not bq.
[19:41] <dobey> GPS should work, yes
[19:53] <mzanetti> bfiller, Kaleo, ack
[20:04] <dobey> oh drive by question that was
[21:41] <matv1> i was wondering when scopes showdown winners will be announced?
[21:44] <popey> matv1: soon
[21:46] <matv1> popey nice. ever considered having all the devs that have an app in the store vote on it?
[21:48] <popey> matv1: people can manipulate votes like that, it's tricky
[21:48] <matv1> popey ah right
[21:49] <matv1> people suck


[00:00] <mup> Bug # changed: 1530957, 1532167, 1536446, 1536728, 1542127
[01:30] <mup> Bug #1547741 opened: Cannot build on armhf with go1.2 <armhf> <packaging> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547741>
[09:16] <mup> Bug #1547806 opened: open-port does not work on EC2 <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547806>
[15:20] <mup> Bug #1547887 opened: Wrong endpoints for Joyent us-east-1 and us-east-2 <joyent-provider> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547887>
[15:20] <mup> Bug #1547891 opened: Juju searches for index2.sjson in image streams <streams> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547891>
[15:44] <mup> Bug #1547898 opened: create-model confusing, does not just work <create-model> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547898>
[15:47] <mup> Bug #1547898 changed: create-model confusing, does not just work <create-model> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547898>
[15:50] <mup> Bug #1547898 opened: create-model confusing, does not just work <create-model> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547898>
[21:57] <jcastro> did I miss something obvious? `juju init` doesn't work in 2.0beta1
[22:00] <rick_h_> jcastro: there is no more init
[22:00] <rick_h_> jcastro: you use list-clouds, list-credentials, etc
[22:00] <rick_h_> jcastro: try add-credentials
[22:00]  * rick_h_ hasn't upgraded on here yet
[22:01] <rick_h_> jcastro: in beta1 there is no more environments.yaml
[22:01] <jcastro> oh, well init still exists when I just type `juju`
[22:01] <rick_h_> jcastro: hmm, have to look at why it exists.
[22:01] <jcastro> ok I see the clouds
[22:01] <jcastro> how do I do lxd then?
[22:02] <rick_h_> jcastro: "it just works"
[22:02] <rick_h_> jcastro: so juju bootstrap lxd $nameofcontroller
[22:02] <rick_h_> jcastro: and lxd should be the name of the cloud in list-clouds
[22:02] <jcastro> no lxd in clouds
[22:05] <rick_h_> jcastro: can you bootstrap it with lxd?
[22:05] <rick_h_>     juju bootstrap mycontroller lxd
[22:05]  * rick_h_ wonders if it's there but not visible in list-clouds in this release then
[22:05] <jcastro> ERROR cloud "lxd" not found
[22:06] <rick_h_> axw: wallyworld around on the weekend at all? ^
[22:06] <rick_h_> jcastro: probably have to manually edit the clouds.yaml file for now then if it's not there due to a bug/oversight on the release
[22:06] <jcastro> trying that now
[22:07] <rick_h_> jcastro: should be able to add a stanza that's just named lxd with the type value of lxd in it
[22:07]  * rick_h_ needs to get my laptop out and update to the beta on there
[22:08] <jcastro> any idea where I can find a cloud.yaml example?
[22:08] <rick_h_> should be in the .local/share/juju directory where things lived in alpha2
[22:08] <rick_h_> it's plural
[22:08] <rick_h_> clouds.yaml (if you're searching with mlocate/etc)
[22:09] <jcastro> brand new install though
[22:09] <jcastro> and init won't generate a skeleton for me since it doesn't exist
[22:09] <rick_h_> it has to have stuck the file somewhere
[22:09] <rick_h_> right, but the package install needs to stick that file somewhere
[22:09] <rick_h_> and that should be in the xdg path
[22:09] <rick_h_> along with credentials file location, etc
[22:10]  * rick_h_ goes to get laptop, brb
[22:10] <jcastro> the package doesn't have that file
[22:11] <jcastro> do you think it's as simple as
[22:11] <jcastro> lxd:
[22:11] <jcastro>     type:lxd
[22:11] <jcastro> I'll try that
[22:13] <jcastro> also
[22:13] <jcastro> Development releases use the "devel" simple-streams. You must configure
[22:13] <jcastro> the `agent-stream` option in your environments.yaml to use the matching
[22:13] <jcastro> juju agents.
[22:13] <jcastro> in the release notes
[22:13] <jcastro> So is environments.yaml gone or not?
[22:13] <rick_h_> yes, but should say to use upload-tools perhaps?
[22:14] <jcastro> I think there's a bootstrapping problem here
[22:14] <jcastro> not like, bootstrapping in a juju context
[22:14] <jcastro> but like, without init I don't have any information for juju to know about
[22:14] <jcastro> and I can't add it because there are no example files
[22:15] <jcastro> AHA!
[22:15] <jcastro> dude
[22:15] <jcastro> juju help add-clouds
[22:15]  * rick_h_ is upgrading hoping this isn't a brown paper bag release
[22:15] <rick_h_> jcastro: ah right
[22:15] <rick_h_> jcastro: but there shuold still be a file that feeds the current list-clousd
[22:16] <jcastro> nope
[22:16] <rick_h_> heh running xenial means there's a lot more to upgrade than just juju
[22:16] <jcastro> just an ssh directory and some keys in there
[22:16] <jcastro> I am on trusty
[22:16] <rick_h_> try juju update-clouds
[22:17] <rick_h_> oh, I wonder if we blacklist there since lxd is wily+
[22:17]  * rick_h_ is just guessing out the $#@$
[22:18] <jcastro> ok, added
[22:18] <jcastro> that wasn't so bad
[22:19] <jcastro> looks like update-clouds didn't make it
[22:19] <rick_h_> ok, wasn't sure on that one
[22:20] <jcastro> yeah, it has to be because I am trusty
[22:20] <jcastro> that's the only thing that makes sense
[22:21] <rick_h_> bah, under dist-ugprade vs upgrade /me tries again
[22:22] <jcastro> ok, will investigate tomorrow, for now it's chimichanga time
[22:22] <rick_h_> woot
[22:22] <rick_h_> thanks for the heads up, will check out here on xenial
[22:22] <rick_h_> once the upgrade finishes
[22:22] <jcastro> I'll ask on the list
[22:36] <mup> Bug #1547966 opened: juju beta 1 does not include lxd in clouds <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547966>
[23:28] <wallyworld> rick_h_: hi
[23:29] <wallyworld> just reading backscroll, lxd works out of the box, but not on trusty
[23:30] <wallyworld> rick_h_: update-clouds not in this release, hopefully beta2
[23:31] <wallyworld> rick_h_: and yeah, no lxd provider on trusty until lxd and golang1.5 added to backports
[23:34] <rick_h_> wallyworld: k, I think he manually added lxd for his trusty
[23:34] <rick_h_> wallyworld: so that makes sense, it should show in list-clouds. I know it's not 'public' but that's the list folks will look at how to try things
[23:34] <rick_h_> wallyworld: so it needs to be a listed option
[23:34] <rick_h_> wallyworld: ty for the heads up on that it should be working ootb for non-trusty
[23:39] <wallyworld> rick_h_: yeah, we were following the spec for list-clouds output. easily added
[23:39] <rick_h_> wallyworld: cool ty
[23:40] <wallyworld> rick_h_: maybe release notes aren't explicit enough about lxd and trusty
[23:40] <rick_h_> wallyworld: yea, I think there's a general assumption since we keep saying lxd >= wily
[23:40] <rick_h_> but if folks manually go at it, they can get trusty/lxd
[23:41] <wallyworld> i'm not sure of the status of the backports effortd


[16:24] <pavlushka> Hello Everyone!!!!
[16:35] <Ekushey> Hello pavlushka
[16:35] <pavlushka> Hi Ekushey !!!
[16:35] <pavlushka> and Hello!
[16:37] <Ekushey> What's up?
[16:39] <pavlushka> nothing, having just usual little troubles with fonts! my last two characters getting truncated in every post
[16:42] <Ekushey> Where?
[16:50] <pavlushka> and by the way I switched to poedit from gtranslator for translating and it solved my problem.
[16:51] <pavlushka> be back!
[17:40] <Ekushey> pavlushka: I forgot where you live
[17:40] <Ekushey> Rangpur?
[17:40] <pavlushka> Its Panchagarh, the new land port!
[17:41] <Ekushey> Right
[19:13] <Ekushey> Ghum nai?
[19:22] <pavlushka> lol, ase, after 2 or may be 3, :)


[00:30] <mwhudson> Laney: ok that docker bug is still happening in the autopkgtests but not in an artful vm wot i have running
[01:31] <Unit193> nacc: ...Can I ping you on the above?
[06:00] <cpaelzer> Hi, on bug 1708305 - this had a Zesty and Xenial SRU portion - the Xenial one was waiting for another to fully complete
[06:00] <cpaelzer> that is now done, if one could take a look to also move the Xenial from unapproved to proposed that would be great
[06:00] <cpaelzer> niedbalski: ^^
[06:00] <cpaelzer> that is your fix
[07:38] <tjaalton> launchpad bug search doesn't seem to check the bug subject?
[07:40] <tjaalton> nevermind
[08:04] <Laney> hey mwhudson
[08:04] <Laney> same kernel?
[08:04]  * Laney zaps those dockers again
[09:53] <Unit193> I'm just going to presume http://paste.openstack.org/show/ecAlh4a45cYakljl2ktL/ for platform.artful (or platform.bodacious) isn't going to happen and I shouldn't even bother with an MP?
[11:42] <mitya57> LocutusOfBorg, tsimonq2: I have uploaded pytest-qt which should fix the last autopkgtest failure and thus make Qt 5.9 candidate for migration.
[12:54] <doko> SpamapS: I rejected python3.5 to add another patch
[13:11] <niedbalski> rbasak, cpaelzer slashd any chance to get a review on the artful patch attached to LP: #1657256?
[13:14] <cpaelzer> I don't feel expertised enough on this - but it is mysql under the hood
[13:14] <cpaelzer> niedbalski: rbasak should be back tmrw - is that early enough
[13:15] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I might provide the testing on p8 while you coudl do the formal check
[13:15] <cpaelzer> rbasak: please ping me what you think on that case
[13:16] <cpaelzer> niedbalski: also this is (very) lengthy - what is the current part that is "open" review the artful debdiff?
[13:18] <niedbalski> cpaelzer, thanks for looking into this. I am sure if am getting the last question.
[13:19] <niedbalski> cpaelzer, *not sure.
[14:22] <cpaelzer> niedbalski: last question: this has so many old tasks old debdiffs, new ones ... what do you expect from sponsors right now?
[14:22] <cpaelzer> niedbalski: just the artful review and re-visit SRUs once that is done?
[14:24] <niedbalski> cpaelzer, yes, currently I am expecting for the artful patch to be reviewed, then, a follow up SRU for the all the affected series.
[14:29] <cpaelzer> ok, recommendation - reduce the scope of a single step - so for now state clearly you want "just artful reviewed and sponsored"
[14:29] <cpaelzer> niedbalski: helps to not flash people with the extra long history and multitude of changes
[14:29] <cpaelzer> niedbalski: I wait for rbasak to state his opinion for tmrw - it is a fix so not directly FF critical (which is tmrw as well)
[14:32] <niedbalski> cpaelzer, thanks for the recommendation but no other action has been requested at the moment for sponsors, just the artful task.
[14:51] <nacc> Unit193: i'll look
[15:40] <bdmurray> slangasek, doko: There is a new version of apport in artful gathering python version information and this seems curious to me. "PythonDetails: /usr/bin/python2.7 Python 2.7.13+" from bug 1711813. My python2.7 has no + in the version output.
[15:40] <SpamapS> doko: kk. Thanks for working on it eithe rway. :-D
[15:43] <slangasek> bdmurray: so someone has tinkered with their install?
[15:44] <bdmurray> slangasek: that's my hunch
[15:44] <doko> $ python -c 'import sys; print (sys.version)'
[15:44] <doko> 2.7.13+ (default, Jul 19 2017, 18:15:03)
[15:44] <doko> [GCC 6.4.0 20170704]
[15:45] <doko> bdmurray: ?
[15:45] <bdmurray> doko: What package version is that? I have 2.7.13-2
[15:46] <doko> 2.7.13-4
[15:46] <bdmurray> oh so somebody running -proposed then?
[15:47] <doko> ohh, is this still in -proposed?
[15:47] <bdmurray> doko: yes
[15:59] <bdmurray> slangasek: So it seems like we could use a bit more info in PythonDetails then to display if python is from a package and if so which one version.
[16:04] <slangasek> bdmurray: makes sense to me
[17:06] <LocutusOfBorg> Unit193, you are listed on uploaders, why aren't you using compat level 10?
[17:07] <LocutusOfBorg> mitya57, <3
[17:07] <LocutusOfBorg> sponsored anyway
[17:08] <LocutusOfBorg> [19:08:09] -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- New source: xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin (artful-proposed/primary) [0.1.0-0ubuntu1]
[20:15] <jackpot51> Any thoughts about 17.10 not having New Document -> Empty Document like Unity did?
[20:15] <jackpot51> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1437502
[20:54] <ccheney> any possibly of getting the patch from lp#1703499 applied before 17.10 is released?
[21:08] <mwhudson> Laney: yeah my kernel was old i assume that was the issue but i didn't actually verify that
[21:18] <jbicha> jackpot51: that issue affects Unity too, it's not really related to the GNOME switch
[21:46] <azubieta> Hello! Can some one point me which tools sould I use to create my own linux livecd based on ubuntu ?
[23:31] <Unit193> nacc: Thanks.
[23:32] <Unit193> LocutusOfBorg: In sn-plug?  Overall pkg-xfce doesn't a whole lot, and it needs to be setup to properly use autoreconf with Xfce.
[23:37] <Unit193> LocutusOfBorg: ...I thought you weren't going to sponsor in Ubuntu?  Not that I'm complaining!


[00:49] <ryanakca> Does a package automatically get removed from Ubuntu after it gets removed from Debian testing/unstable, or do I need to do something on the Kubuntu side to get mcdp cleared out?
[00:49] <ryanakca> (following http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=709909 )
[02:04] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: ping
[02:24] <ScottK> ryanakca: It's semi-automatic, so usually no unless there are Ubuntu specific changes in it, then it tends not to get removed.
[02:44] <valorie> So, what if they get really desperate and reset their modem to get a new hostname?
[02:44] <valorie>  106 [00:40] <pleia2> You can try: /mode +b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:44] <valorie>  107 [00:41] <pleia2> But be careful - this will ban everyone coming from the exmaple.com service provider
[02:44] <valorie>  108 [00:41] <pleia2> and honestly this ban should only be put in place in emergencies and should be accompanied by joining #freenode and reporting that there is a user who is evading bans
[03:06] <valorie> oh good lord, sorry
[03:07] <valorie> was reading irc classes and fixing my kate doc with relevant stuffs
[03:07] <valorie> dunno how it got pasted here instead
[03:07] <ryanakca> ScottK: Alright, thanks.
[06:09] <soee> good morning
[10:12] <shadeslayer> any oppositions to adding libkolab and libkgapi as build depends to kdepim-runtime?
[10:13] <shadeslayer> oh
[10:13] <shadeslayer> apparently we had those, but they got lost in the merge
[10:14] <Riddell> doh, yeah please add them back
[10:14] <shadeslayer> yep, compiling it now with the deps
[10:18] <shadeslayer> grrreeattt
[10:18] <shadeslayer> boost issues
[10:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: IIRC we had a discussion about having network-manager-vpnc on the ISO right>
[10:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: IIRC we did
[10:24] <shadeslayer> any ideas why did we refuse it on the CD?
[10:25] <Riddell> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/10/17/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t22:15
[10:25] <Riddell> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/10/22/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t13:28
[10:26] <shadeslayer> lol
[10:29] <shadeslayer> we didn't conclude anything, I went to the nm session at UDS
[10:29] <shadeslayer> the conclusion via private email was that kde nm needs patchery to use dbus  + packagekit to figure out what's installed
[10:29] <shadeslayer> but there's also the issue that different distros might name the package differently
[10:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you also dropped libqjson-dev and some other things in kdepim-runtime :(
[10:36] <Riddell> ug, sorry
[10:37] <shadeslayer> np, shit happens
[10:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can we just ship vpnc on the ISO? :P
[10:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: was it a main vs universe issue?
[10:38] <Riddell> in which case that's no longer an issue
[10:38] <shadeslayer> From what I can tell it adds 354 kb to the CD
[10:38] <shadeslayer> dunno
[10:38] <Riddell> cyphermox: any reason not to?
[10:38] <shadeslayer> didn't we move to universe in raring?
[10:38] <Riddell> we did
[10:41] <shadeslayer> I have to head out for a bit, cya in a bit
[10:59] <yofel> markey: you can find qt in https://launchpad.net/~yofel/+archive/staging1/+packages
[10:59] <yofel> please remove the ppa after updating
[11:26] <Riddell> ScottK: security issue bug 1179380 in progress now I hope
[11:34] <Riddell> spot the problem http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/saucy.png
[11:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the activities button?
[11:43] <shadeslayer> :P
[11:52] <soee> uhm during printer configuration 2-3 times i had crash report
[11:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: missing kde-window-manager-common package
[11:55] <shadeslayer> hah
[11:55] <Riddell> also akonaditray is running for some reason
[11:57] <shadeslayer> O_O
[12:11] <soee> only 3 files didn't build in 4.10.4 ?
[12:12] <shadeslayer> well, working on kdepim-runtime
[12:14] <Riddell> we'll need to make sure any changes I've uploaded since yesterday get synced in the packaging
[12:15] <Riddell> well s/we/I/ to be fair :)
[12:19] <ScottK> akonaditray should be running, but hidden.
[12:19] <ScottK> Riddell: Excellent.
[12:31] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:40] <shadeslayer> W: libnepomukcore4abi1: description-synopsis-starts-with-article
[12:40] <shadeslayer> so verbose ^_^
[12:41] <shadeslayer> eh
[12:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: E: nepomuk-core-runtime: postinst-must-call-ldconfig usr/lib/libnepomukextractor.so
[12:41] <shadeslayer> what do you think of that ^^
[12:42] <shadeslayer> okie, only blinken left AFAICT
[12:45] <shadeslayer> oh and oxygen-icons and kajongg since no one seems to have looked at those
[12:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uhm why the need for generate-icons here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/blinken/revision/71#debian/rules
[12:57] <shadeslayer> and it's not even called
[12:57] <shadeslayer> and I don't see it in debian : http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/kde-sc/blinken.git;a=blob;f=debian/rules;h=244905ccaaeae8b9ddfe2a9efd0358cd789ad68d;hb=HEAD
[12:58] <shadeslayer> no icon-list as well
[13:00] <shadeslayer> hmm, debian installs to usr/bin/blinken
[13:01] <yofel> shadeslayer: you're looking at the wrong debian branch....
[13:01] <Riddell> mm, are you sure debian doesn't have it?
[13:01] <yofel> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/kde-sc/blinken.git;a=blob;f=debian/rules;h=24e3402146e7ffd7331029c79c321c6910e9e624;hb=kde4.10
[13:01] <Riddell> that doesn't look like something we'd add
[13:02] <yofel> debian has it
[13:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you talking about 4.10.4?
[13:04] <yofel> Riddell: also, please commit your changes to bzr the moment you upload them (better: generate the package from bzr)
[13:04] <yofel> If it was you, then I overwrote your kdepim upload yesterday evening
[13:04] <shadeslayer> oh
[13:05] <yofel> we even have bzr-buildpackage-ppa which makes the building trivial
[13:06] <Riddell> I don't think I know bzr-buildpackage-ppa
[13:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: I was probably on the wrong branch I guess
[13:07] <yofel> Riddell: it's (a bit misplaced) part of the kubuntu-automation repo
[13:07] <yofel> shadeslayer: right ;)
[13:07] <shadeslayer> because only blinken has a 4.10 branch :P
[13:07] <yofel> Riddell: used by kubuntu-initial upload to set ppa version and release in the changelog and generate the package
[13:08] <yofel> that way you can leave bzr always set to ".4) UNRELEASED" and just run bzr-buildpackage-ppa -s <num>
[13:08] <shadeslayer> so, anyone looking at blinken then ? e
[13:41] <cyphermox> Riddell: shadeslayer: as I recall the security team wasn't especially happy with vpnc when we did the MIR for it
[13:41] <cyphermox> it's something to revisit
[13:43]  * Riddell syncs mplayerthumbs
[13:52]  * Riddell gets onto blinken in 4.10.4
[13:55] <soee> anyone using mysql workbench ?
[14:22] <Riddell> ScottK: can I move 4.10.3 to raring-updates?
[14:53] <markey> yofel: for that Qt package, what is the apt-add-repository line?
[14:53] <yofel> markey: ppa:yofel/staging1
[14:53] <markey> thanks
[14:55] <markey> yofel: is there any risk with installing this package? can I revert it if things go south? cause this is my production machine
[14:56] <yofel> markey: hm, it has only that one patch removed so should be safe, reverting might be tricky as you would have to downgrade all qt libs but if something happens I can upload a rebuild of the offical raring package with a higher version
[14:56] <markey> ok cool, I'll do it
[14:57] <yofel> markey: only remember to disable the ppa after updating please
[14:57] <markey> yes
[15:17] <markey> yofel: I have very good preliminary results: the package appears to fix the QtScript crashing with Amarok :))
[15:21] <starbuck1> Riddell: any update on 4.10.3 in public repos?
[15:22] <starbuck1> 4.10.4 just around the corner
[15:23] <Riddell> starbuck1: it's in the -proposed, it's all tested so I was waiting on an sru person to move it to -updates
[15:23] <Riddell> starbuck1: I think I can just do that myself but need to check the protocol
[15:23] <starbuck1> thanks that be great
[15:23] <starbuck1> then its available for all people even without any PPA?
[15:24] <Riddell> starbuck1: yep
[15:24] <yofel> Riddell: will you upload .4 for raring then? If not ping me once .3 is out and I'll do it
[15:25] <Riddell> yofel: into kubuntu-ninjas?
[15:25] <yofel> yes
[15:27] <Riddell> might have to run off before I get a chance to do that
[15:27] <Riddell> will ping if so
[15:27] <yofel> ok
[15:28] <markey> yofel: will the fixed Qt packaged be pushed downstream, after some more testing?
[15:28] <markey> I think that would be good
[15:28] <markey> s/packaged/package
[15:29] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1176686] qtchooser does not properly work with multiarch @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1176686 (by Harald Sitter)
[15:29] <yofel> markey: if you say it works I'll file a SRU for it. Saucy is fixed so only raring is left.
[15:30] <markey> yofel: let me test it some more, and tomorrow I'll give you the final results, ok?
[15:30] <markey> just to be sure
[15:30] <yofel> sure
[15:30] <yofel> thanks
[15:31] <markey> rdieter: big thanks again for pointing us to this QtScript issue! you've saved us a big headache :)
[15:33] <markey> with that issue fixed, and the other fix from Amarok 2.7.1, Amarok should now be really stable again. before it was a crashfest
[15:33] <yofel> markey: what's the status of that issue on quantal and precise btw.? There we have 2.7.1 together with qt 4.8.3 and 4.8.2.
[15:33] <yofel> (in the backports)
[15:34] <markey> yofel: the same problem then
[15:34] <yofel> hmkay, I'll look at it
[15:34] <markey> the QtScript bug has affected all Amarok versions in the last two years...
[15:35] <jessie> Which explains why so much crashing.
[15:35] <markey> indeed
[15:35] <markey> for us this fix means a lot, as you can imagine. it sucks if your application crashes without it being your fault
[15:36] <yofel> hm... if this has been happing the last 2 years we'll have a few amarok/qt combinations to fix (2.7.1/4.8.4, 2.7.1/4.8.3, 2.7.1/4.8.2, 2.6.0/4.8.3, 2.5.0/4.8.2)
[15:37] <markey> the original Amarok bug was reported on 2011-01-02: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=261839
[15:40] <markey> that said... it doesn't shine a positive light on Qt, having such an atrocious bug around for years
[15:42] <debfx> Riddell: where does pbuilder need aptitude outside the chroot?
[15:43] <Riddell> yofel, starbuck1: no .3 in yet, needs ScottK to do it
[15:43] <Riddell> debfx: pbuilder-satisfydepends
[15:43] <Riddell> debfx: I'm forever installing pbuilder, running pbuilder-satisfydepends and getting grumpy cos it breaks without aptitude
[15:44] <debfx> Riddell: yeah but that's run inside the chroot
[15:44] <Riddell> debfx: I run it manually
[15:44] <starbuck1> Riddell: when is that about to be in with Scottk?
[15:44] <debfx> I'd say that's a very uncommon use case
[15:45] <Riddell> starbuck1: whenever he has some spare minutes to do it
[15:45] <yofel> Riddell: aptitude is just the default as it works best, you could use pbuilder-satisfydepends-classic without aptitude
[15:45] <Riddell> debfx: if I run debuild it tells me to run pbuilder-satisfydepends
[15:45] <Riddell> yofel: I could, but debuild doesn't tell me to do that
[15:46] <yofel> debuild tells to use pbuilder-satisfydepends o.O?
[15:46] <debfx> what does debuild have to do with pbuilder?
[15:46] <Riddell> only that it recommends pbuilder-satisfydepends if you have missing build-depends
[15:54] <debfx> ah, so you're using debuild-pbuilder
[15:57] <starbuck1> ScottK: can you spare a few minutes according to Riddell to get the .3 release in the open, that would be faboulous!
[16:01] <Riddell> yofel: are you able to do a bzr update on kubuntu-automation for build_status_4.10.4_saucy.html ?
[16:01] <Riddell> I've added various ignores
[16:01] <yofel> sure, sec
[16:04] <yofel> Riddell: done
[16:05] <Riddell> uh oh
[16:05] <yofel> hmm... somethign went wrong
[16:05] <Riddell> I broke it :(
[16:06] <Riddell> yofel: fixed
[16:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is there a kdesc-packages-saucy.txt ?
[16:07] <Riddell> yofel: sorry got to go
[16:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uh, I just copied kdesc-packages-raring.txt
[16:08] <shadeslayer> though that's not pushed to bzr yet
[16:08] <yofel> hm, not quite fixed
[16:09] <Riddell> does it object to a trailing comma?
[16:09] <Riddell> yofel: updated
[16:09]  * Riddell skedaddles
[16:16] <yofel> ok, I think I fixed everything now
[16:18] <yofel> you don't want to fix dep5 issues? ^^
[16:19]  * yofel wonders if a package should be red when there' lintian *Error*'s
[16:29] <yofel> bbl
[16:54] <shadeslayer> wait what
[16:54] <shadeslayer> UTAH is being replaced?
[16:54] <shadeslayer> with something called otto
[16:57] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/otto
[17:19] <yofel> shadeslayer: fun
[19:39] <ahoneybun> palasso: hey
[19:39] <palasso> ahoneybun, hey ;)
[19:39] <ahoneybun> whats u[p
[19:39] <palasso> nothing much
[20:00] <jessie> Why is my Kontact crashing saying, "Failed to fetch the resource collection."
[21:01] <soee> hiho
[22:10] <ScottK> Riddell: On it.
[22:26] <ScottK> starbuck11: It's done now.  It should hit mirrors starting in about an hour.
[22:28] <yofel> thanks ScottK!
[22:28]  * yofel runs the script for raring
[22:28] <ScottK> yw.
[22:40] <starbuck11> ScottK: thanks a lot!
[23:07]  * yofel removes mplayerthumbs from raring package list again...
[23:10] <yofel> added some error handling too while at it


[05:38] <Guest50312> i'm in the live image, using it now, of kubuntu 15.04, and the installer crashes on efi as per this bug report; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1428877 how do i work around it or fix it
[08:09] <sitter> Riddell: ping
[08:09] <ovidiu-florin> What's the state of Wayland on Kubuntu?
[08:09] <sitter> Riddell: should I branch a kubuntu_vivid_backports from stable in plasma repos?
[08:10] <sitter> actually I probably should let it integrate first
[08:10] <sitter> ovidiu-florin: it exists
[08:11] <ovidiu-florin> Can it be used?
[08:11] <sitter> sure
[08:11] <sitter> just not productively
[08:11] <sitter> just not for the majority of apps
[08:11] <sitter> just not for 90% of the things you want to do with it
[08:13] <sitter> IIRC the timeline for kwin was having something usable early 2016 which we might then test or focus transition on with 16.10 (after lts)
[08:16] <mgraesslin> as long as the nvidia situation is not solved I doubt Kubuntu will be able to do a default transition anyway
[08:16] <Riddell> hi sitter
[08:17] <Riddell> sitter: I'm confused why would you branch kubuntu_vivid_backports?
[08:17] <Riddell> mgraesslin: which nvidia situation?
[08:17] <ovidiu-florin> My question exactly
[08:19] <Riddell> I think nvidia has many situations :)
[08:19] <Riddell> sitter: bug 1442512 has been reported as significant
[08:20] <mgraesslin> Riddell: not supporting Wayland
[08:21] <ovidiu-florin> You mean the driver is hard-coded Xorg?
[08:21] <ovidiu-florin> For *
[08:22] <mgraesslin> no
[08:22] <ovidiu-florin> mgraesslin: what about on Intel boards?
[08:23] <mgraesslin> ?
[08:24] <ovidiu-florin> If nvidia has issues with Wayland, does intel have them as well?
[08:25] <mgraesslin> you know that Wayland is mainly an Intel thing?
[08:26] <ovidiu-florin> I'm missing some knowledge
[08:28] <ovidiu-florin> Is wikipedia a good starting point?
[08:29] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: keith packard works for intel and does muchos wayland as I understand it
[08:30] <mgraesslin> Riddell: wrong
[08:30] <Riddell> I never said I understand it right :)
[08:30] <mgraesslin> Riddell: keith works for HP
[08:30] <mgraesslin> but he used to work for intel
[08:30] <ovidiu-florin> On Wayland?
[08:30] <mgraesslin> mostly X
[08:31] <ovidiu-florin> I thought development stopped for Xorg
[08:31] <Riddell> "Dave Morley (davmor2) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members" yay davmor2 still loves us!
[08:31] <mgraesslin> no
[08:33] <sitter> Riddell: vivid_backports for whoever is going to package it at soome point
[08:33] <sitter> seeing as plasma 5.3 would land in backports
[08:33] <sitter> just like apps15.04
[08:33] <sitter> alas, that also hasn't been packaged so there's that
[08:34] <sitter> Riddell: that apport crash is in breeze
[08:34] <sitter> in fact, it might actually be pyqt
[08:35] <sitter> I recall shadeslayer did workarounds to do with destruction of the app
[08:35] <Riddell> sitter: I'd leave branching until someone does the packaging
[08:38] <sitter> fair enough
[08:38] <sitter> Python Exception <type 'exceptions.RuntimeError'> Type does not have a target.:
[08:46] <sitter> Riddell: I think that something in apport-kde raises an exception which causes an abort which then crashes breeze because something is not deconstructing properly
[08:47] <ovidiu-florin> mgraesslin: do you use KDevelop?
[08:47] <sitter> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
[08:47] <mgraesslin> yes
[08:47] <sitter> Riddell: bug 1440585 probably
[08:51] <sitter> Riddell: you didn't update the runtime deps of the package Oo
[08:55] <Riddell> oops
[09:03] <sitter> Riddell: fix in queue
[09:04] <sitter> also
[09:04] <sitter> libmuon/backends/ApplicationBackend/ApplicationNotifier.cpp:                                                i18n("System update available!"),
[09:04] <sitter> that's what is causing the notification spam on apt update
[09:05] <Riddell> mm right
[09:05] <Riddell> it's a reasonable thing to notify about but it needs to be a bit more clever about when it notifies
[09:07] <sitter> the konsole crash is so flipping annoying
[09:07] <Riddell> I'm glad you agree
[09:07] <Riddell> it's not too hard to port away from KUniqueApplication
[09:08] <Riddell> but that seems inelegant
[09:08] <Riddell> I want to know why other distros don't seem to get it
[09:19] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:23] <sitter> well then
[09:23] <sitter> Riddell: I don't think that apport crash is new
[09:23] <sitter> or rather... I don't see how it could be new
[09:24] <sitter> it queries properties of the apport report object and for some reason it runs into a property that is a bytearray rather than a string to which pyqt says nono
[09:25] <sitter> so chances are the underlyign problem is really that the code in question is run on a property that has a bytearray where the bytearray most likely doesn't contain something that should be printed anyway
[09:29] <sitter> sure doesn't help that I can't reproduce it with an actual crash
[09:32] <Riddell> :( thanks for looking into it
[09:37] <sitter> what we can do is force encode to utf8 string
[09:37] <sitter> that would make it not raise an exception, although, the exception here isn't fatal if I cause it
[09:38] <sitter> so there must be something else astray on the affected systems
[10:03] <xennex81> morning ovidiu-florin
[10:03] <xennex81> <-- uses names :p
[10:04] <ovidiu-florin> morning
[10:05] <lordievader> o/
[10:05] <ovidiu-florin> can someone help me here with an IRC issue?
[10:05] <Riddell> just ask :)
[10:06] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: in private
[10:08] <yofel> sitter: lp 1271599
[10:09] <sitter> yofel: that should go in the packaging not the bug report
[10:09] <yofel> well, we can make a README.Debian I guess
[10:10] <yofel> I'm more interested on your opinion on the virtual-* stuff
[10:10] <yofel> *in
[10:10] <sitter> such a long read
[10:11] <sitter> I'm in favor
[10:12] <sitter> though I will also say that I wasn't too happy about the mariadb alternate. a package harddepping mariadb getting installed can totally bust a users akonadi without him realizing
[10:12] <sitter> or vice versa for that matter
[10:14] <yofel> sure, I mean we already had that issue with just mysql, which caused the backend getting replaced by sqlite. apt would happily replace mariadb-10 with mysql-5.6 if there's a problem
[10:14] <yofel> There's not really anything you can do against that though as long as we don't ship an embedded copy of mysql
[10:15] <yofel> only alternative is to only depend on mysql-5.6, which then means that people can't use mariadb or percona
[10:16] <sitter> yeah, it is somewhat meh
[10:20] <yofel> sitter: how about removing the hard dep on a-b-m, depping on virtual-* and instead adding a-b-m and mysql-server-core-5.6 to kubuntu-desktop deps?
[10:20] <yofel> That's meh too, but maybe better represents what we actually support and what not...
[10:20] <ovidiu-florin> apt-get doesn't support wildcards anymore?
[10:20] <yofel> it should...
[10:20] <yofel> what did you use?
[10:20] <ovidiu-florin> yeah... it's regex now, not wildcards
[10:21] <yofel> aah
[10:22] <sitter> eh?
[10:23] <sitter> apt-get doesn't have a perl regex parser and even the posix regex parsing is quite the hacky awfulness
[10:24] <ovidiu-florin> apt-get install libkf5*-dev
[10:24] <ovidiu-florin> doesn't work ^
[10:24] <ovidiu-florin> apt-get install libkf5.*-dev
[10:25] <ovidiu-florin> works ^
[10:25] <Guest50312> i'm in the live image, using it now, of kubuntu 15.04, and the installer crashes on efi as per this bug report; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1428877 how do i work around it or fix it
[10:26] <Guest50312> http://pastebin.com/ZNrdthMC
[10:29] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Perhaps your shell tries to do the regex parsing?
[10:30] <ovidiu-florin> it does
[10:31] <ovidiu-florin> can you install libkf5people-data in Vivid?
[10:31] <ovidiu-florin> I can't
[10:31] <lordievader> I'm not running Vivid at the moment.
[10:31] <yofel>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/libkpeople.mo', which is also in package libkpeople4 0.3.0-0ubuntu1
[10:32] <yofel> meh
[10:32] <ovidiu-florin> so... what to do?
[10:35] <yofel> for now... you could do a --force-overwrite
[10:36]  * yofel isn't sure how to fix that in a sane way..
[10:36] <ovidiu-florin> uninstall
[10:37] <yofel> sure you can remove libkpeople4, but here that removes:
[10:37] <yofel>   kde-config-telepathy-accounts kde-telepathy kde-telepathy-auth-handler kde-telepathy-call-ui kde-telepathy-contact-list kde-telepathy-declarative kde-telepathy-filetransfer-handler kde-telepathy-integration-module kde-telepathy-kpeople
[10:37] <yofel>   kde-telepathy-minimal kde-telepathy-send-file kde-telepathy-text-ui kdenetwork kdenetwork-strigi-analyzers krfb libkpeople4 libktpcommoninternalsprivate8 libktploggerprivate8 libktpmodelsprivate8 libktpotrprivate8 libktpwidgetsprivate8
[10:37] <yofel>   plasma-runner-telepathy-contact
[10:37] <ovidiu-florin> no\
[10:38] <ovidiu-florin> remove libkf5people-data
[10:38] <yofel> if you don't need libkf5people, sure
[10:44] <sitter> ovidiu-florin: that sounds more like your shell is parsing that before apt has a chance
[10:45] <sitter> yofel: raise upstream
[10:45] <sitter> frameworks aren't supposed to conflict old stuff
[10:45] <sitter> Riddell: ^
[10:45] <yofel> even the translations?
[10:47] <sitter> yes
[10:54] <Riddell> yofel: where is that from?
[10:54] <yofel> libkf5people-data
[10:54] <Riddell> yofel: mm right, that's an upstream bug indeed
[11:09] <Riddell> sitter: how's the iso doing for today? I'm in need of screenshots
[11:09] <soee_> guys any idea for this http://paste.ubuntu.com/10790724/ ?
[11:09] <soee_> i asked about it a long ago even added bug for sddm but it was said it is distro related
[11:12] <sitter> Riddell: batter widget blew up overnight, so I am now tossing a coin on whether to roll a new iso of the completely new stable builds or go with the iso from yesterday or go with the battery broken iso from today's master
[11:12] <sitter> *battery
[11:32] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:33] <soee_> hiho BluesKaj
[11:34] <BluesKaj> hey soee_
[11:55] <Guest50312> i'm in the live image, using it now, of kubuntu 15.04, and the installer crashes on efi as per this bug report; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1428877 how do i work around it or fix it
[11:55] <Guest50312> http://pastebin.com/ZNrdthMC
[12:07] <soee_> Guest50312: no idea i never hd this problem
[12:11] <BluesKaj> I thought there already was an efi partition on the machine at purchase, and linux has to install grub on it , is this correct?
[12:22] <Guest50312> i do have an efi partition
[12:22] <Guest50312> i also have my bios set for "insecure boot"
[12:23] <BluesKaj> I'm not sure , but i think it should be secure for efi mode
[12:24] <Guest50312> maybe, but 14.04 and 14.10 never complained
[12:25] <Guest50312> its something specific to the installer in vivid 15.04
[12:42] <BluesKaj> perhaps  Guest50312 , I didn't fool around with efi when I got my laptop , just wiped the whole hdd clean then partitioned to ntfs and ext4 for dual booting W7 and Kubuntu, because at the time there was so much trouble with linux on efi I decided to bypass the problem entirely.
[12:55] <Guest50312> BluesKaj: i also whiped windows off and went straight linux. i have been windowless since about 2000
[12:56] <Guest50312> but this is also the first laptop i've had that has efi, so on my previous installations, as i mentioned earlier, 14.04 and 14.10 i was able to install with efi partition no prob. now vivid is beta 2 and ubi-partman crashes on efi
[12:57] <BluesKaj> yes, I understand a lot of users are reluctant to drop uefi since linux has mostly solved the installation problems with it
[12:57] <Guest50312> right
[12:57] <Guest50312> what i'm trying now is just deleting the efi partition and see if that will work
[12:58] <Guest50312> since i am booting insecurely, i should be ok
[12:58] <BluesKaj> it should work, that's what's puzzling about your crashes
[12:59] <Guest50312> but that doesnt really address the installer crashing on efi
[12:59] <Guest50312> well, i gave the link to pastebin
[12:59] <Guest50312> that shows the log of what happened
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Guest50312, beta 2 is available in the dailies , maybe you'll have better luck with it
[13:23] <Guest50312> ty BluesKaj, thats where i got this image from
[13:31] <sitter> Riddell: the touchpad kcm is weirdly broken or something
[13:31] <sitter> cmake that is
[13:31] <Riddell> oh?
[13:31] <Riddell> I just took a screenshot of it, can't be that broken
[13:33] <sitter> what the fuck
[13:36] <sitter> I am going so mad about this fucking plunder repos with everything and the kitchen sink in it
[13:36] <yofel> which one? ^^
[13:37] <yofel> we have a couple kitchen sinks..
[13:37] <shadeslayer> where? I don't think I've seen one in the office for over a year and a half
[13:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^ get it ? :P
[13:38] <yofel> shadeslayer: how the hell do you guys endure summer in the office? ^^
[13:38] <shadeslayer> we have AC's but no sinks xD
[13:39] <yofel> ah, that works too ^^
[13:39] <Riddell> ACs that sometimes work, but indeed no sink, if you have a spare one send it this way
[13:45] <ovidiu-florin> KDESVN is not available in vivid
[13:45] <sitter> Riddell: I don't get why plasma-sdk is in workspace btw
[13:46] <Riddell> sitter: is it?
[13:46] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I'm afraid it overlapped with something in kf5 land
[13:47] <sitter> Riddell: getting released with workspace makes it a workspace thing, no?
[13:47] <Riddell> sitter: getting released with plasma makes it a plasma thing
[13:47] <Riddell> there is no workspace thing
[13:48] <sitter> right
[13:48] <sitter> so why does my mom's plasma need an sdk?
[13:48] <xennex81> mom jokes on the way
[13:48] <xennex81> :p
[13:48] <sitter> I hereby herald the return of kde sc because there officially is no more distinction between frameworks, plasma and apps
[13:48] <Riddell> I doubt it goes, but if she wants to write a plasmoid she knows where to go
[13:49] <Riddell> s/goes/does/
[13:49] <kubotu_> Riddell meant: "I doubt it does, but if she wants to write a plasmoid she knows where to go"
[14:24] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: any idea what?
[14:25] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: kiosvn I think
[14:39] <soee_> Riddell: so who shoudl i ping to make nvidia propriety drivers work in 15.04 ?
[14:40] <Riddell> soee_: tseliot on #ubuntu-devel (alberto) is the dude who's been working on it
[15:05] <ovidiu-florin> I love working in Beta :D I get lot's of updates
[15:05]  * ovidiu-florin is an update addict
[15:20] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: +1 :)
[15:32] <sgclark> morning
[15:33] <soee_> good mornign sgclark
[15:36] <Riddell> sgclark!
[15:36] <Riddell> hola chica
[15:36] <sgclark> hi :)
[15:36] <yofel> moin
[15:37] <sgclark> anyone get to applications? I have some time today if not
[15:38] <Riddell> sgclark: we have kf5, apps (backports) and plasma 5.3 beta backports to do
[15:38] <Riddell> I guess kf5 is the highest priority as that could maybe still go into the archive
[15:39] <sgclark> okies I will start with kf5 and go from there
[15:45] <Riddell> sgclark: thanks :)
[15:45] <Riddell> sgclark: I think that'll need kubuntu_unstable merged in
[15:45] <Riddell> sgclark: oh and modemmanager is new but needs plasma-nm patched for it
[15:45] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah rounding up sitter emails and the gem script he gave me
[15:46] <sgclark> patched?
[15:46] <Riddell> https://www.kde.org/announcements/kde-frameworks-5.9.0.php plasma-nm patch there
[15:46] <sgclark> Riddell: ok
[15:46] <Riddell> modemmanager was previously part of plasma
[15:47] <sgclark> right
[15:52] <soee_> sgclark: i can always do tests :)
[15:52] <sgclark> :)
[15:52] <sgclark> will be a few, I have to update my chroots etc
[16:02] <ovidiu-florin> quick vote: how would you feel about spliting the community page in Contribute and Support?
[16:02] <ovidiu-florin> http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/community/
[16:04] <yofel> wouldn't that duplicate support content? contribute OTOH could probably be folded into community though
[16:07] <yofel> hm, wait, support is already only linked (ask ubuntu is also community though..)
[16:07] <ovidiu-florin> contribute is a more call to action term
[16:07] <soee_> @ frontpage, i would replace the first icon (download) with something else, and put a big Download button in banner section
[16:08] <soee_> one sec, ill show you one of my old drafts
[16:08] <yofel> why not make the banner a link?
[16:09] <soee_> https://cloud.soee.pl/index.php/s/3w9ehEhlvpvwBgw
[16:10] <soee_> yofel: i woudl also separat ebanner image (us eonly backgorund) and put text on separate layer
[16:10] <yofel> that could work
[16:11] <yofel> FWIW, if you want a green download button, you might as well color the Download entry in the navbar green
[16:12] <Riddell> sgclark: the most time consuming part of frameworks is that launchpad isn't clever enough to work out the retries so you need to run ./kubuntu-retry-builds to fix it (see README)
[16:13] <yofel> hm, that looks ugly tough -.-
[16:13] <sgclark> Riddell: okies
[16:13] <yofel> soee_: is the banner intentionally that huge? On my 1600x900 notebook the only text I see at first is the navbar and the banner... the icons below are too far down
[16:14] <soee_> yofel: ithink banner shoudl be the main element visible on frontpage when user hits it
[16:14] <yofel> Riddell: does updating kf5 to 5.9 in vivid actually fix any serious bugs? Or what use case does it have less than a week before final freeze...?
[16:14] <soee_> and it shudl contain text about current kubuntu version and maybe some motto + button to download page
[16:15] <yofel> soee_: not arguing against that, but what I see is https://kyofel.de/owncloud/index.php/s/mqX2uqmrEQikaK8
[16:15] <yofel> which... doesn't feel quite right
[16:16] <yofel> (ignore the green at the top ^^)
[16:19] <soee_> well the banner could be even bigger imo
[16:20] <soee_> example http://www.gt3themes.com/website-templates/groutek/home_type4.html
[16:20] <Riddell> yofel: it's 0.1 better?  it means we can backport plasma without worrying about backporting frameworks with it?
[16:21] <yofel> soee_: that would be better, yeah
[16:21] <Riddell> yofel: even if it doesn't go in it's not like it's wasting scarlett's time it'll go into backports ppa
[16:21] <Riddell> infact it could go into backports backports
[16:21] <yofel> Riddell: sure, didn't argue about that. My hair just stands up if I read uploads with patchery so close to release...
[16:28] <soee_> Riddell: when this patch from tseliot might land in vivid ?
[16:31] <Riddell> soee_: when someone adds it, my head's pretty broken just now so I can't right now
[16:34] <soee_> why broken :) ?
[16:42] <Riddell> soee_: oh randomness of a head with a head injury, but it's friday evening so I guess it knows I've been spending too long on the plasma 5.3 announcement
[16:42] <soee_> take a break :)
[16:45] <Riddell> mm, now you mention it, good idea :)
[17:01] <sgclark> Riddell: gosh I am so freaking confused on all this merge stuff, I merge unstable to backport sor what ? where? sigh
[17:04]  * soee_ wonders why it is so complicated :)
[17:04] <sgclark> I am sure it isn't but I have had my kde hat on for too long and fell behind
[17:14] <sgclark> ok I hate ruby
[17:15] <shadeslayer> :O
[17:15] <shadeslayer> why
[17:16] <sgclark> I am alway missing gems and can't sort how where to get them
[17:16] <sgclark> error pft
[17:17] <sgclark> wtf
[17:17] <yofel> ruby has no virtualenv?
[17:17] <sgclark> everytime I try to install a gem I get package metadata is missing two seperate computers now
[17:17] <sgclark> again I hate ruby
[17:18] <sgclark> all I want to do is run this merge script :(
[17:19] <Riddell> sgclark: for frameworks it's just kubuntu_unstable into kubuntu_vivid_archive
[17:20] <yofel> why is it unstable for a released version of frameworks o.O?
[17:20] <Riddell> soee_: it's complex because there's kde stable and unstable, frameworks, plasma and applications and ubuntu vivid and 14.10
[17:20] <Riddell> so that's a lot of combinations
[17:20] <yofel> oh right, frameworks has no branches
[17:21] <yofel> shadeslayer: could one of you CI people please make a README for the branch merging?
[17:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: https://community.kde.org/images.community/a/a5/Kubuntu_CI_Mergeflow.png
[17:22] <sgclark> Riddell: okies, well I can't even get this script to work
[17:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/CI#Merges
[17:23] <Riddell> sgclark: kubuntu-initial-upload does already have a git merge command in it, it's not well tested but it should merge while packaging
[17:24] <sgclark> Riddell: ahh lovely
[17:24] <sgclark> thanks
[17:24] <Riddell> just needs a -b unstable (I hope)
[17:26] <yofel> shadeslayer: ok, that's something at least
[17:27] <yofel> Riddell: that's not the correct error handling... or do you really log the whole script output and grep for what couldn't be merged?
[17:28] <yofel> I'm curious what your workflow is there..
[17:29] <sgclark> shadeslayer: logger/colors ? what can I install to make that available to ruby
[17:30] <sgclark> colorize did nothing, ruby-color did nothing
[17:31] <Riddell> yofel: in kubuntu-initial-upload ? I really don't know I just added it quickly one time and only used it once
[17:32] <yofel> Riddell, sgclark: this should work a bit better http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation/revision/519
[17:33] <sgclark> yofel: ty
[17:33] <yofel> Riddell: ah ok
[18:14] <shadeslayer> sgclark: you need logger-colors
[18:14] <shadeslayer> sgclark: y u no bundler up
[18:14] <sgclark> bundler up?
[18:14] <shadeslayer> just cd into pangea-tooling, gem install bundler, bundler up
[18:15] <shadeslayer> auto installs all the thuings
[18:15] <shadeslayer> *things
[18:15] <shadeslayer> sgclark: and use rvm to manage ruby on your machine
[18:15] <sgclark> ahh okies, guess it is high time I sit down and learn ruby
[18:15] <sgclark> ty
[18:15] <shadeslayer> I have 3 ruby's installed
[18:15] <shadeslayer> from ubuntu, ruby 2.2.1 and ruby from git
[18:16] <sgclark> yeah I have rvm installed on desktop, still could not get things working
[18:16] <shadeslayer> sgclark: rvm help install ?
[18:16] <sgclark> for whatever reason when the script fails I cannot install any gems etc it always fails with missing metadat $scriptname
[18:17] <sgclark> metadata*
[18:18] <sgclark> I don't understand why it keeps going to the failed script to install gems
[18:18] <shadeslayer> got a log for me?
[18:18] <sgclark> or using it in some way. it is nowhere in the command
[18:18] <sgclark> shadeslayer: hmm does ruby log somehwhere?
[18:19] <shadeslayer> sgclark: just give me stdout
[18:20] <sgclark> shadeslayer: paste.ubuntu.com/10793430
[18:23] <shadeslayer> why are you trying to run agem
[18:23] <shadeslayer> wait what
[18:23] <shadeslayer> that looks weird
[18:23] <shadeslayer> sgclark: oh and : export GEM_HOME=$(ruby -e 'print Gem.user_dir')
[18:24] <sgclark> shadeslayer: that is the script sitter gave me for merging ci
[18:24] <shadeslayer> where is it
[18:25] <sgclark> shadeslayer: let me email it to you, it was a paste I have no longer the link
[18:25] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:26] <yofel> why... do we need a seperate script for that o.O?
[18:27] <sgclark> perhaps we don't , we'll see how my initial upload went
[18:27] <sgclark> or goes
[18:27] <sgclark> when I find ecm that is
[18:28] <sgclark> shadeslayer: and for what its worth I can no longer install any gems on either computer now
[18:29] <sgclark> oh patch.. right
[18:29] <Riddell> sgclark: ecm changed version numbers so now it matches frameworks
[18:29] <Riddell> maybe something needs to be removed for that
[18:30] <sgclark> ahh
[18:30] <shadeslayer> sgclark: 0.o
[18:30] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[18:35] <sgclark> Riddell: some clarity please, dfaure says to patch plasma-nm but that is not a framework. What am I patching here?
[18:37] <Riddell> sgclark: patch plasma-nm if modemmanager-qt 5.9 is used with it
[18:37] <Riddell> modemmanager-qt changed for frameworks so plasma-nm has to be changed with it
[18:44] <ahoneybun> Riddell: you said that USB creator is not working?
[18:44] <Riddell> ahoneybun: usually not no :(
[18:45] <ahoneybun> Riddell: what about using k3b?
[18:45]  * Riddell half hopes prth can fix it as part of the gsoc project
[18:45] <Riddell> ahoneybun: that works fine for cd/dvds I think
[18:45] <ahoneybun> and dd for usb?
[18:45] <Riddell> yeah
[18:45] <Riddell> which is rubbish as a user experience
[18:45] <ahoneybun> was going to start writing docs for creating installation media
[18:45] <Riddell> there's some other UIs but they're not great
[18:45] <Riddell> yay :)
[18:46] <Riddell> windows maybe has something
[18:46]  * prth would love to :)
[18:46] <Riddell> valorie pointed to a linux one that maybe works
[18:46] <ahoneybun> going to write it from scratch mostly
[18:46] <ahoneybun> might take a bit from the ubuntu wiki
[18:47] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I could not log into the akademy talk thing
[18:48] <Riddell> ahoneybun: what are you trying to do?
[18:49] <Riddell> hi leyyin_
[18:49] <leyyin_> hi
[18:49] <ahoneybun> Riddell: was trying to log in to maybe registar a talk
[18:49] <ahoneybun> was using the same KDE Idenity as userbase
[18:50] <Riddell> kde identity should work, but talks closed a couple of weeks ago
[18:50] <Riddell> ask d_ed if you want to submit one now
[18:51] <ahoneybun> Riddell: you said that they needed more
[18:52] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I don't know if they do now but they might
[18:55] <ahoneybun> ok
[18:59] <Peace-> :)) hi
[19:00] <ahoneybun> hey Peace-
[19:00] <Peace-> ahoneybun: Hey
[19:04] <soee_> hiho lazy Peace- :D
[19:13] <ahoneybun> Riddell: https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Installation
[19:18] <Peace-> soee_: :D splitted the plasmoid in 4 :D
[19:37] <Peace-> soee_: updated  http://kde-apps.org/CONTENT/content-pre2/169633-2.jpeg
[19:38] <soee_> $-.-$
[19:39] <soee_> Riddell: so the patch is merged into sddm master, whats now ? :D
[19:40] <Riddell> now I upload it to ubuntu vivid
[19:41] <soee_> +!
[19:41] <soee_> +1
[19:41] <Riddell> soee_: watch it compile away https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/0.11.0-0ubuntu10
[19:51] <llucas__> hi everyone, some time ago Jonathan Riddell asked me about making a promo video of Kubuntu 15.04, so my question is what would you like to see here?
[19:54] <soee_> Riddell: ^
[19:55] <soee_> llucas__: i think present system in current verion
[19:55] <soee_> brb, Riddell testing sddm after this patches
[19:58] <llucas__> soee_ well but the time of the video is rather limited, so I would like to know more details first ;)
[19:59] <ahoneybun> llucas__: I would like to see dolphin being used (as it is awesome)
[19:59] <soee> i think there shoudl be 2 versions, one not longer thn 2 min, and one ~ 5-10 min
[20:00] <soee> so teh shortes wuld be liek promo video, second showing features more detailed
[20:01] <ahoneybun> soee: llucas__a prime example would be that features video for Antergos
[20:02] <soee> promo video with boring begining https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ7kqwbqeiI
[20:02] <soee> but from ~ 20 seconds it is fine
[20:03] <llucas__> Unfortunately my time is also limited, and i am afraid that we must focus on one video
[20:04] <soee> brb going to break my system problably, after nvidia drivers has been installed
[20:05] <llucas__> would you mind to post a link to this antegros video?
[20:05] <llucas__> ahoneybun?
[20:05] <Riddell> ooh llucas__
[20:05] <Riddell> hi
[20:05] <llucas__> hi
[20:06] <Riddell> thanks for coming by
[20:06] <llucas__> no problem
[20:06] <Riddell> really sorry I haven't got in touch more
[20:07] <llucas__> yeah I know that pain, to little time for everything ;)
[20:08] <Riddell> llucas__: 2 weeks until release
[20:08] <Riddell> llucas__: first major distro with plasma 5
[20:08] <Riddell> so it's mostly a video about how great plasma 5 is that we want
[20:08] <Peace-> Riddell: mmm it s not a good release i have to say
[20:08] <Riddell> Peace-: oh wheesht, it's going to be awesome
[20:08] <Peace-> Riddell: crash a lots
[20:08] <llucas__> Riddell so what features of kubuntu I should promote?
[20:09] <llucas__> guys please be more specific ;)
[20:09] <Riddell> llucas__: let's pick some highlights from https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma5.0/ https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.1/ https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.2.0.php
[20:10] <Riddell> and https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-14.12.3.php
[20:11] <Riddell> llucas__: so a) technical bits rewritten with qt 5, frameworks 5 and QML (don't dwell on that but it's nice to set the scene for those who know)
[20:11] <Peace-> for me , like always stability it s the first thing
[20:11] <Peace-> and yeah plasma 5 it s nice but not stable
[20:12] <tuv0k> I wonder if well see the addition of most of the plasma widgets from the 4x series. The weather wallpaper desktop, system monitor widgets. They all seem to be missing now. But I'd play up the new design, and stability, when stabilty arrives.
[20:12] <Peace-> users are going to be mad like  before
[20:12] <llucas__> Yes I can do it, but there will not be much time for corrections, and if there will be something you do not like, time may be pressing
[20:12] <Riddell> llucas__: b) shiny new artwork, breeze widget and icon theme
[20:12] <llucas__> ok
[20:13] <Peace-> Riddell: and in task manager you can-t understand a thing because it-s all grey
[20:13] <Peace-> ...
[20:13] <Riddell> llucas__: c) muon discover your app centre
[20:13] <Peace-> when you minimize icons on dolphin the icons became monocrome
[20:14] <Peace-> and it-s  a no sense
[20:14] <llucas__> ahh muon discover this is not good example
[20:14] <Riddell> llucas__: slick integration of systray panels
[20:15] <Riddell> llucas__: kdeconnect by default makes your phone work with your desktop
[20:17] <Riddell> llucas__: krunner, alt-space to search for files, play/pause music, do calculator..
[20:19] <llucas__> something else?
[20:22] <Riddell> llucas__: applications all up to date, krita bling to draw pretty stuff, kdenlive for videos, nifty plasma widgets
[20:24] <llucas__> ok I think that will be enough for 2 minutes ;)
[20:25] <llucas__> btw what iso should i download (daily or beta 2)?
[20:26] <ahoneybun> llucas__: Beta 2 is darn solid
[20:26] <llucas__> ok so I will download beta 2 then
[20:28] <llucas__> as I understand it is possible to install nvidia drivers (needed for screen recording)?
[20:28] <ahoneybun> llucas__: its possible
[20:28] <ahoneybun> I just have not
[20:29] <ahoneybun> has I have need for nvidia prime
[20:30] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I just uploaded a probably fix for nvidia prime https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/0.11.0-0ubuntu10
[20:31] <llucas__>  thanks everyone i will try to show something asap
[20:35] <llucas__> see you later ;)
[20:37] <Riddell> ahoneybun: nice start on https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Installation but also needs instructions for if using windows or mac or another distro
[20:37] <Riddell> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows might help but needs checking the instructions are sane
[20:38] <Riddell> valorie: what's the make a usb app you use?
[20:38] <Peace-> it's not  at pendrivelinux.com
[20:38] <Peace-> ?
[20:40] <Riddell> Peace-: that just points to usb-creator which doesn't work very well
[20:40] <Riddell> https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Create_a_Live_USB_stick_using_Windows might have other ideas
[20:40] <Riddell> but really all distros are crap at this
[20:40] <Riddell> which is weird
[20:50] <mparillo> For making a USB on Windows, I use unetbootin.
[20:54] <darthanubis> have to, can't do it on *buntus anymore
[20:55] <darthanubis> also my montiors no longer sleep
[20:56] <ahoneybun> Riddell: thanks about both nvidia prime and the docs
[20:56] <soee> Riddell: propriety drivers makes booting ends with black screen
[20:56] <ahoneybun> it is just a starting point
[20:56] <soee> also dunnow why .Xauthorite get root rights and i couldnt login
[20:57] <soee> *.Xauthority
[21:02] <darthanubis> still can't logout
[21:03] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/+bug/1407152
[21:13] <valorie> Riddell: last time, I used unetbootin
[21:13] <valorie> before that I found some script an Ubuntuforums fellow had creatted, that was a front end to DD
[21:13] <valorie> created
[21:14] <valorie> rather scary to use DD -- I'm not confident enough
[21:16] <Riddell> valorie: right, I not too happy to advise it either, one letter wrong and bang goes your hard disk
[21:16] <Riddell> ahoneybun: investigate unetbootin ?
[21:36] <xennex81> darthanubis: I have the same problem when Installed Kubuntu 15.04 via Dist-Upgrade
[21:39] <xennex81> Jonathan Riddell I see you have been dealing with the bug as well....
[21:40] <xennex81> i had this after dist-upgrade from 14.10, never had it in alpha 2
[21:40] <xennex81> I never knew how to kill sddm-helper
[21:40] <xennex81> at least that is helpful
[21:40] <xennex81> for the next time
[21:47] <sgclark> Riddell: that patch failed..
[21:49] <Riddell> sgclark: for plasma-nm?
[21:49] <sgclark> yep
[21:51]  * Riddell tries
[21:53] <Riddell> sgclark: works ok here, some fuzz that needs a quilt refresh
[21:53] <Riddell> sgclark: what's the problem?
[21:54] <sgclark> what do you mean ? quilt refresh here just sayss no patches applied
[22:00] <Riddell> sgclark: what have you done to the package?
[22:01] <sgclark> I only added the patch and ran git-package build whatever ppa
[22:02] <sgclark> I guess I need to do a full debuild?
[22:02] <sgclark> sorry distracted
[22:03] <Riddell> oh there's fuzz so you will need to refresh
[22:03] <Riddell> apt-get source plasma-nm
[22:03] <Riddell> add patch into debian/patches
[22:03] <Riddell> add to debian/patches/series
[22:03] <Riddell> quilt push
[22:03] <Riddell> quilt refresh
[22:04] <Riddell> then take and put it into the git archive
[22:04] <Riddell> or work out how to use git-buildpackage to get a shell
[22:04] <Riddell> I don't think I've worked that one out, git-buildpackage still confuses me
[22:17] <sgclark> okies ty
[22:27] <ahoneybun> Riddell: getting there https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Installation
[22:34] <mparillo> ahoneybun: Looks awesome. I love screenshots, but especially for dd (https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Installation#USB.27s.2FFlash_Drives_2) some text I can cut and paste might be nice.
[22:37] <mparillo> This is not targeted at old unix folks, right? So the root versus sudo thing is not appropriate. I like the way you say that the password you enter is used for certain tasks (alas, connecting to my wireless with every boot).
[22:39] <ahoneybun> mparillo: for ubuntu based sudo would be included
[22:39] <ahoneybun> but for other distros or setups just doing su and then run the command  would work
[22:40] <ahoneybun> most of the new user docs cover sudo so I think it is needed
[22:41] <ahoneybun> mparillo: https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Installation#USB.27s.2FFlash_Drives_2
[22:48] <Riddell> ahoneybun++
[22:55] <ahoneybun> :)
[23:12] <valorie> ahoneybun: I have a suggestion for the DD image -- use a real path instead of path/to/iso etc.
[23:13] <valorie> I get far too many people in #kubuntu using path/to/whatever instead of an actual path
[23:13] <valorie> but they instantly get it if I show a real path
[23:19] <valorie> I made a few minor edits
[23:19] <valorie> it looks great overall
[23:26] <ovidiu-florin> do we have any other social profiles? Excepl Facebook, Google+ Twitter and LinkedIn ?
[23:28] <sgclark> pft I can never get retry builds to work..
[23:29] <ovidiu-florin> check out the bottom of: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/community/
[23:40] <mparillo> ahoneybun: Thank you. I am still not brave enough for dd, but others might be with that example.
[23:42] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: I don't think we ever made a pump.io
[23:43] <valorie> and the preceeding thing is dead..... open source twitter or whatever that was
[23:43] <valorie> do you think we need reddit? HN?
[23:44] <valorie> that's a nice Community page
[23:46] <sgclark> diaspora?
[23:49] <valorie> ah, I forgot that
[23:49] <valorie> I set it up, but then it just sat
[23:49] <valorie> I think it was a solution looking for a problem
[23:56] <elky> valorie: statusnet/identica?


[05:56] <[Nirvana] > @schedule Toronto
[05:56] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Toronto: 11 Jul 16:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 08:00: Edubuntu | 12 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 15:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 09:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 16:00: Technical Board
[11:19] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[11:19] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 11 Jul 22:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 15:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 22:00: Technical Board
[09:10] <robitaille> @topic
[11:50] <stgraber> @schedule Zurich
[11:50] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 11 Jul 22:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 15:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 22:00: Technical Board


[00:00] <asac> fta: well. the path needs just to be adapted when doing the merge (before commit)
[00:00] <asac> bzr should be smart enough to remember
[00:02] <Volans> asac: just for information... the Start Page for Firefox is reset at every firefox update or at every ubuntu upgrade?
[00:02] <Volans> /reset/resetted/
[00:03] <asac> Volans: what do you mean?
[00:03] <asac> which start page are you referring to?
[00:03] <Volans> when I see the Ubuntu Start Page
[00:03] <asac> yeah
[00:04] <asac> whats there?
[00:04] <Volans> I see it the first time after a fresh Ubuntu installation, after that, when launching Firefox will reopen the start page?
[00:04] <Volans> at every firefox update or at every ubuntu upgrade?
[00:04] <fta> it's almost unreadable, DEBIAN_NAME, DEBIAN_APP_NAME, DEBIAN_NAME_OTHER, BRANDING_NAME_OTHER, BRANDING, DESKTOP_BRANDED, ...
[00:04] <Volans> upgrade= release upgrade
[00:04] <Volans> dist-upgrde
[00:06] <asac> fta: we have DESKTOP + DESKTOP_BRANDED
[00:07] <asac> and BRANDING = --official-flags
[00:08] <asac> and we have the _OTHER names
[00:11] <asac> fta: so on 3.1 branch maybe DEBIAN_APP_NAME should have the veresion in it?
[00:11] <asac> why was there no problem before this merge?
[00:12] <fta> nope, it's needed somewhere else without version
[00:12] <fta> DEBIAN_FF3_DIR   = usr/lib/$(DEBIAN_APP_NAME)-$(DEBIAN_FF3_VER)
[00:12] <asac> ok maybe its a bit ugly how i installed DESKTOP ;)
[00:13] <asac> i think thats was done because of the .install file
[00:13] <asac> fta: maybe that one wasnt merged right?
[00:13] <asac> yeah
[00:13] <fta> it was, sort of
[00:13] <asac> and that is a left over from when i wante dto ship the free branding directly in firefox-3.0
[00:14] <asac> now its not in a .install anmyore  (from what i can tell)
[00:15] <fta> ?
[00:15] <asac> fta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/46440/
[00:15] <asac> i think that is superfluous?
[00:16] <asac> (i doubt it changes anything for you)
[00:17] <asac> fta: what is DEBIAN_APP_NAME used for? in mozclient?
[00:17] <fta> it's not
[00:18] <asac> fta: oh
[00:18] <asac> ok
[00:18] <asac> fta: so how was your DESKTOP FILE named before?
[00:18] <asac> firefox-3.1.desktop?
[00:18] <fta> yes
[00:18] <asac> and how was that done?
[00:18] <asac> that was in .install ?
[00:18] <fta> yes
[00:21] <asac> fta: ok i think what we should do
[00:22] <asac> (besides from removing the not required code above
[00:22] <asac> )
[00:22] <asac> is to look whether we have a meta package
[00:22] <asac> e.g. dpkg-parsechangelog | grep Package:  has exactly $(DEBIAN_APP_NAME)
[00:22] <asac> if thats the case we should use append FF3_VER
[00:23] <asac> to the desktop file target
[00:24] <asac> one idea at least ;)
[00:24] <fta> FF3_VER = 3.1b1pre, not 3.1
[00:24] <fta> mozilla bug 418900
[00:25] <fta> Update trunk to libpng-1.2.31
[00:25] <fta> we have 1.2.27
[00:26] <fta> nm, we use in-source because of apng
[00:27] <asac> fta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/46445/
[00:27] <asac> hmm
[00:28] <fta> will not work, see above
[00:29] <asac> yeah
[00:31] <asac> fta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/46447/
[00:31] <asac> better?
[00:35] <fta> did you try it ?
[00:36] <fta> i doubt your grep is ok with -E
[00:36] <fta> without
[00:36] <asac> i am spinning ;)
[00:36] <fta> and i would prefer the $$ inside the ''
[00:37] <fta> and a shorter DEBIAN_APP_NAME_IS_META... maybe just DEBIAN_META_NAME
[00:37] <asac> fta: it created debian/firefox-3.0-branding/usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop
[00:37] <asac> so the positive match appears to work
[00:37] <asac> fta: good suggestion
[00:37] <asac> will rename
[00:38] <asac> but then its with the Package: ;)
[00:38] <asac> might be confusing
[00:38] <asac> DEBIAN_META_PKG_LINE ;)
[00:38] <asac> i'll use DEBIAN_META
[00:38] <asac> ;)
[00:39] <fta> hm, strip it
[00:39] <asac> strip?
[00:39] <asac> sedding?
[00:39] <asac> ok
[00:40] <asac> fta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/46450/
[00:40] <fta> doesn't cdbs have var for that already ?
[00:44] <fta> what about something like DEBIAN_META_NAME := $(filter $(DEBIAN_APP_NAME),$(DEB_ALL_PACKAGES)) ?
[00:45] <asac> fta: hmm. but we would need to place that quite far down in the rules or somehow make this evaluate late?
[00:45] <asac> i doubt that DEB_ALL_PACKAGES is available before any include
[00:45] <fta> right, cdbs is not included yet :(
[00:46] <asac> i committed the stupid grep approach for now
[00:46] <asac> let me check how it behaves when i wipe the meta package
[00:47] <asac> fta: do we need to care about abrowser being available as meta package, but firefox not?
[00:47] <asac> in theory we should probably error out then
[00:48] <asac> not sure if we should really start to do integrity checks for control ;)
[00:48] <asac> sounds scary
[00:48] <fta> indeed
[00:48] <asac> like ... building firefox-3.0-branding without firefox-3.0 isnt allowed :)
[00:49] <fta> it's the same source package, how could this ever happen?
[00:49] <asac> *sigh* i aborted the build before the branding package was installed
[00:49] <asac> fta: well.
[00:50] <asac> fta: same way that it could happen that someone has abrowser in control, but not firefox
[00:50] <asac> unlikely
[00:50] <asac> but derivatives could accidentially do it
[00:50] <asac> i think its none-sense to check for that
[00:50] <asac> :)
[00:52] <asac> fta: i am not sure. but i also think that we should review all our dh_* calls in rules
[00:52] <asac> and explicitly use -p$(first_package_in_control_as_of_today)
[00:52] <asac> i think i did a bunch
[00:53] <asac> at least when we dont use -a
[00:53] <asac> and do it in a rule like: ...install-$(DEBIAN_APP_NAME)
[00:53] <asac> err
[00:53] <asac> and do it in a rule like: ...install-$(DEBIAN_PKG_NAME)
[00:53] <asac> then we should use -p $(DEBIAN_PKG_NAME)
[00:53] <asac> ;)
[00:53] <asac> fta: ok the patch worked quite fine
[00:54] <fta> thx
[00:54] <asac> like expected
[00:54] <asac> good
[02:13] <fta> Error: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIINIParserFactory.createINIParser]"  nsresult: "0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)"  location: "JS frame :: file:///usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1b1pre/components/nsUpdateService.js :: getLocale :: line 508"  data: no]
[02:13] <fta> Source File: file:///usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1b1pre/components/nsUpdateService.js
[02:13] <fta> Line: 508
[02:17]  * Volans go to sleep... see you
[02:19] <asac> fta: you already pasted that ... didnt you?
[02:19] <asac> fta: its not fatal right?
[02:19] <fta> it's not, but it happens all the time
[02:20] <fta> http://nickellery.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/google-chrome-on-linux/  "The authors have deleted this blog. The content is no longer available."
[02:21] <asac> yes that was a blog that leaked
[02:22] <asac> hmm ... but maybe
[02:22] <asac> not sure ;)
[10:41] <XioNoX> Hi!
[11:22] <asac> hi XioNoX
[11:23] <XioNoX> hi asac
[11:23] <XioNoX> what news ?
[11:30] <asac> XioNoX: not much. except that ubufox is now in the archive ;)
[11:30] <asac> and that i am going to sports now ;)
[11:31] <XioNoX> sorry, that I havent done anything this week
[11:31] <asac> no problem
[11:31] <XioNoX> I was organizing an integration party for the 1st years
[11:31] <asac> tomorrow 1800 UTC is mozillateam meeting ;)
[11:32] <asac> so maybe cu there. i have to run :)
[11:32] <asac> cu later
[11:32] <XioNoX> ok
[11:32] <XioNoX> cu
[15:10] <Jazzva> asac, regarding bug 267382... I didn't update app-install-data in a while, but there are some packages, so the list shouldn't be empty
[15:11] <Jazzva> asac, is the call to gnome-app-install passing a good Mime-Type?
[22:26] <mdke> asac: around?


[08:45] <lordievader> Good morning
[13:26] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[16:19] <dreamwarrior> hi guys..i have a problem or an issue after installing kubuntu  17.04 in two different HD,...can i write the problem and anyone can answer ?
[16:59] <mparillo> !ask
[17:34] <redphantom> Hi follks. can anything be done to mitigate high I/O usage from effecting the smoothness of Ubuntu? My system is freezing up every few seconds when large files are being moved, every single time. Kubuntu 17.04
[17:38] <lordievader> redphantom: What IO schedular are you using?
[17:40] <redphantom> lordievader: i have to admit i'm a linux newb. how would I find this information out?
[17:42] <redphantom> I am using cfq
[17:43] <redphantom> I know how to google though >:) so i should change my I/O scheduler to something else? Which would you recommend?
[17:44] <momken> hello
[17:44] <momken> Any maintainer of kubuntu-backport ppa here?
[17:45] <momken> I found a very very important bug in Qt5 for Persian/Arabic users which are fixed in Qt 5.6.3 and Qt 5.8.1
[17:45] <momken> https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-42074
[17:45] <momken> https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-58364
[17:47] <momken> It seems that releasing the next Kubuntu backports PPA with Qt 5.6.3 or Qt 5.8.1 is very essential for fixing these critical bugs in Qt text engine for Persian/Arabic languages
[17:50] <momken> The Qt 5.7.1 shipped wih Ubuntu 17.04 won't fix this issue! We need newer versions of Qt!
[17:54] <mparillo> momken: Thank you very much. I believe that since Qt is shared by many *buntu components (including the recently deprecated Unity 8), that the Kubuntu team no longer can control Qt upgrades. I suggest you ask in #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-ir. I would not be surprised if they ask you to file a launchpad.net tracking item linking to your upstream bugs.
[17:57] <momken> mparillo: I know that Ubuntu 16.04 stable won't upgrade its Qt versions easily, due to stability and integrity issues. But there is an independent kubuntu-backports ppa too
[17:57] <momken> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[17:58] <momken> However I guess they will only backport Qt versions of 17.04 back for 16.04 users which is not enough
[18:00] <mparillo> I think there are two different 'theys'. For 16.04 LTS, the Kubuntu team would like to keep Plasma 5.8 up-to-date, since it is an LTS itself, but not necessarily upgrade to 5.9. I think that his implcations for all dependencies (Qt and frameworks, especially)/
[18:00] <redphantom> well i changed my i/o scheduler to noop, i was unable to switch to anticipatory.  hopefully this works. thanks for the help lordievader
[18:05] <momken> mparillo: By 'they' I meant maintainers of kubuntu-ppa backports
[18:05] <momken> https://launchpad.net/%7Ekubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports/+index?batch=75&memo=1050&start=1050
[18:22] <lordievader> redphantom: No, cfq should be the best in this case.
[18:23] <lordievader> redphantom: It ensures that each contender gets a fair slice.
[18:23] <lordievader> Though you could experiment with the deadline scheduler, of course.
 kernel team switched to CFQ from deadine by default for 17.04 for all flavours. except kubunty as we alreday set CFQ in our kubuntu configs
 git commit with an expanlanation of CFQ over the old default deadline http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-zesty.git/commit/?id=af80b83a2b6184fea27f050948146fcd9a28070d
[20:27] <markslaw> My dvd dtive is going nuts! It won't open when I push the open button, K3B doesn't seem to recognize it and every 30 seconds or so it keeps flashing ald looking for something. What's going on?
[20:28] <markslaw> My dvd dtive is going nuts! It won't open when I push the open button, K3B doesn't seem to recognize it and every 30 seconds or so it keeps flashing ald looking for something. What's going on?
[20:43] <aboulafia_> hi, impossible to install Kubuntu lts 16 on external hdd
[21:06] <aboulafia_> no idea ?
[21:10] <kojak> hello I have a problem and need some advise please
[21:11] <aboulafia_> kojak: if i can help ?
[21:11] <kojak> I upgraded my system and installed which installed a new kernel. While cleaning my old kernel I remove the generic modules
[21:11] <kojak> aboulafia_: yes please
[21:12] <kojak> now I lost all my kernel modules and I can't connect any network device may it be my wifi on board
[21:12] <kojak> or any usb/ethernet adapter
[21:13] <kojak> I have an encrypted drive on it and a lot of code I can't afford loosing
[21:13] <aboulafia_> kojak: normally you can reboot with the old kernel and fix it
[21:14] <kojak> No I can't I removed it
[21:14] <kojak> I have a recovery option for the current kernel but when I connect the network it simply fail
[21:15] <kojak> when I resume start it launches kde correctly but network manager is showing a red tv and can't connect
[21:15] <aboulafia_> kojak: i do not understand. Did you removed the old kernel ?
[21:15] <kojak> yes
[21:16] <aboulafia_> kojak: big mistake...Try to compile a new kernel with the module you need & debian mode and intall it.
[21:17] <kojak> it was an a completion to the purge command
[21:17] <kojak> aboulafia_: how do I do that
[21:18] <kojak> aboulafia_: when I boot and go to the grub menu I only go to advanced system boot
[21:18] <kojak> then I choose recovery
[21:19] <kojak> the only option are linux <IP_ADDRESS> and its recovery mode
[21:19] <kojak> first fails second works
[21:20] <aboulafia_> kojak: but if you had upgraded your kernel by an update you should have the option for the previous kernel on grub
[21:20] <kojak> I don't see it where it should be ?
[21:20] <aboulafia_> on the boot menu of grub
[21:21] <kojak> the only things I have on the grub menu are ubuntu advanced boot option and system settings
[21:21] <kojak> last reboots to the bios
[21:21] <kojak> first doesn't work and get stuck at early boot stages and second works as told you
[21:22] <aboulafia_> sorry, you but my knowledge on Kubuntu is not enough to fix it
[21:23] <kojak> aboulafia_: /lib only shows modules for <IP_ADDRESS> which seems to be the only present kernel
[21:24] <kojak> Is there any way to book on a usb drive try to copy the modules on my hard drive and modprob it at reboot ?
[21:26] <kojak> maybe I can try upgrading to kubuntu 17.04 via usb key ?
[21:28] <kojak> aboulafia_: any thoughts on it ?
[21:28] <aboulafia_> kojak: it can be a solution,
[21:28] <kojak> I don't know if there is a proper way to do it ?
[21:30] <aboulafia_> kojak: in the other hand, you can probably download the module you need and firmware by .deb. I do that on Debian but as I say my knoledge on K/ubuntu are limited
[21:31] <aboulafia_> kojak: in your case, begin to backup all your datas before lost it
[21:31] <kojak> aboulafia_: looks like you can do a usb upgrade https://askubuntu.com/questions/396727/upgrade-ubuntu-option-not-availiable-when-installing-from-usb-stick
[21:32] <kojak> aboulafia_: how can I find which deb i need to make my wifi work ?
[21:33] <aboulafia_> kojak: if you do not have a second computer...but if you are here you have Internet
[21:33] <kojak> I do
[21:33] <kojak> I am on windows :x
[21:34] <aboulafia_> as i said, on debain it is easy : you download the package you need on the main website
[21:34] <aboulafia_> on ubuntu, i don't know
[21:34] <kojak> aboulafia_: yes it is the same I think but how do I know which package to download
[21:35] <aboulafia_> i'm here because the installation program of Kubunt 16.04 has a bug and I can't install it
[21:35] <aboulafia_> but it is a complete blackout here
[21:35] <kojak> seems so
[21:36] <aboulafia_> for the network, you need the firmware for your network chipset
[21:36] <aboulafia_> but before that, check on a terminal what you have now
[21:37] <aboulafia_> if with ifconfig you do not see any card, download the frimawere
[21:37] <kojak> I have a realtek r8152
[21:37] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> honestly OBS + DS3 would definitely
[21:37] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> saturate your cpu
[21:37] <kojak> and I don't see it
[21:37] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> UPS forgive me, wrong chat
[21:37] <kojak> ifconfig only shows localhost
[21:38] <aboulafia_> not good. your module is not activated or missing
[21:38] <aboulafia_> sorry, i have to leave now.
[21:39] <kojak> aboulafia_: ok thank you very much
[21:39] <kojak> good luck to
[21:39] <aboulafia_> I need to install a new distributon on a computer
[21:39] <aboulafia_> probably somebody can help you here when they wake up
[21:39] <aboulafia_> good luck
[23:03] <user|89183> anyone having issues with getting new widgets from the gui? the store never loads, usually says network error.
[23:04] <user|89183> 17.04 kubuntu