[08:44] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:48]  * zmoylan-pi prepares xubuntu 16.04 usb drive to test if hardware on laptop is dying or if it's just the existing distro acting the goat...
[08:48] <MartijnVdS> I just put Debian (Testing) on my Eee PC. Didn't install X.. it's 32 bit but blazing fast  xD
[09:18] <aquarius_> anyone feeling knowledgeable about printers? My printer, when printing PDFs, doesn't print any of the text. The Ubuntu test page prints correctly, and if I convert the PDF to an image and print the image, that also prints correctly.
[09:19] <aquarius_> I have no idea how to even start debugging this...
[09:19] <zmoylan-pi> i think i had that happen before yonks ago.  it was fonts related...
[09:20] <aquarius_> That's my suspicion...
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> aquarius_: which model/brand of printer is it?
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> (i.e., which protocol does it speak?)
[09:22] <aquarius_> it's a Kyocera FS-1010, networked; the Printers dialog correctly finds it, and I've tried adding it again as a second printer over LPR, and that has the same problem.
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> Postscript? PCL?
[09:23] <aquarius_> Maybe it's a driver problem and I should add it again and use a different driver (i.e., not the one it "recommends")
[09:23] <aquarius_> No idea whether it's PS or PCL; happy to tell you if you tell me how to find out :)
[09:23] <zmoylan-pi> and when you print from a text editor and/or word processor, does it work ok?
[09:23] <aquarius_> good question; let me try that
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> aquarius_: it's usually in the manual or on the data sheet
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Kyocera/Kyocera-FS-1010
[09:25] <aquarius_> according to http://usa.kyoceradocumentsolutions.com/americas/jsp/upload/product/5038/0/FS1010.pdf it does: Supported PDL / Emulations: PRESCRIBE, PCL6 (PCL XL, PCL5e), KPDL2 (PS2), Diablo 630, IBM
[09:25] <aquarius_> ProPrinter X24, Epson LQ850, Line Printer
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> KPDL2 = "Postscript II"
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> so that's some options to try
[09:27] <aquarius_> OK, text prints fine from a word processor.
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> is there anything in the CUPS log files?
[09:28] <aquarius_> MartijnVdS, so, I should add the printer again as a new printer but use the "Kyocera FS-1020 Foomatic/Postscript [en]" driver rather than the "recommended" "Kyocera Mta FS-1010 [en]" one?
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> aquarius_: yeah I'd try that
[09:28] <zmoylan-pi> shifts the problem a little from printer driver to the pdf viewer... try a different pdf viewer?
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> had similar problems with my Laserjet once, and switching from PCL to PS (or back) helps in those cases
[09:29] <aquarius_> zmoylan-pi, I tried printing from xournal as well as evince and that had the same problem
[09:30] <aquarius_> MartijnVdS, printing to that PS printer has the same problem
[09:32] <aquarius_> maybe xournal uses the same pdf widget as evince. Let me try flpsed, which definitely doesn't, since it dates from about 1995 :)
[09:32]  * zmoylan-pi puts on 90s music to get in the spirit...
[09:32] <aquarius_> AHAHAHA!
[09:33] <aquarius_> it prints fine from flpsed
[09:33] <aquarius_> so it's some sort of font config problem with modern programs
[09:33] <zmoylan-pi> none of this namby pamby handing off print functions to an api.  hard code your own rendering engine... :-)
[09:33] <aquarius_> importantly, though, I don't care; I'll just print from flpsed :)
[09:34] <aquarius_> which is, I should note, terrible in every way except that (a) it works and (b) it lets me add text annotations, which other stuff doesn't :)
[09:38] <aquarius_> this is a bit worrying, though; I'll file a bug.
[09:45] <zmoylan-pi> isn't that a request to install more bugs? :-)
[09:59] <aquarius_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/1581782 filed, anyway
[14:19] <locodir-user> Yo! Ubuntu UK :D How's everyone doing?
[17:19] <daftykins> wow 2 whole minutes
[17:19] <daftykins> :D
[17:20] <Switches> huh?
[17:20] <zmoylan-pi> the time waited by drive by greetings earlier i think
[17:20] <Switches> Ahh
[17:22] <Switches> Impatient people don't understand "IRC Lurkers" lol
[19:06] <diddledan> it’s eurovision time!
[19:06] <penguin42> oh god
[19:08]  * zmoylan-pi watches episodes of ds9 to ignore the eurovision
[19:08]  * brobostigon is watching BTTF
[19:09] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: That's pretty desperate
[19:11] <zmoylan-pi> best sci fi tv show ever... well that and b5, and maybe firefly... ohh and maybe space 1999
[19:11] <diddledan> b5 is awesome
[19:11] <penguin42> hmm
[19:11] <popey> is it eurovision tonight?
[19:12] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: I didn't really watch the later series of ds9, never watched b5 or firefly - but I did like space 1999 (when I was about 10 ?) - but it's an odd one out in that list
[19:12] <diddledan> really watch b5
[19:12] <diddledan> it is epic
[19:12] <Myrtti> so is it just me or is the sound on the Eurovision bad? it's like worse than 2.1
[19:12] <diddledan> it’s a shame it wasn’t recorded on film, so the quality is a bit poor these days
[19:13] <Myrtti> and yes, Babylon5 rocks
[19:13] <zmoylan-pi> b5 is incredible despite they cancelled it and then gave it a season back...
[19:13] <diddledan> Myrtti: the bbc sound mixing has been terrible on everything live the past few years
[19:13] <zmoylan-pi> space 1999 is epic simply for the design of the eagle space ship.
[19:13] <Myrtti> diddledan: but surely this should... oh. Graham Norton
[19:13] <zmoylan-pi> no space ship in any other show looked so... wonderful
[19:13] <Myrtti> I suppose they could cock it up
[19:13] <zmoylan-pi> or clone terry wogan...
[19:14] <diddledan> terry ftw
[19:14] <Myrtti> well, it's not about who is doing it
[19:14] <diddledan> does anyone have any wogan DNA?
[19:14] <Myrtti> it's about that they need to mix it in BBC to get Norton's voice overs in
[19:14] <penguin42> diddledan: Maybe it's on Radio2 round things?
[19:14] <Myrtti> so they could indeed be muddling it up, and it's not the SVT end that makes it awful
[19:16] <zmoylan-pi> firefly is only 14 episodes but it has so much promise of greatness as well as some epic moments that it should be watched by anyone who thinks they like sci fi
[19:16] <Myrtti> I've tried a few episodes.
[19:16] <Myrtti> just couldn't get in
[19:17] <diddledan> I like this one
[19:17] <zmoylan-pi> it's worth it
[19:18] <zmoylan-pi> mal and jayne discussing vera... :-P
[19:18] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: I wonder if netflix could pick up firefly
[19:18] <zmoylan-pi> too late, but mal is free now that castle has been cancelled
[19:19] <penguin42> having seen him first in Castle, watching Serenity was a little odd
[19:20] <zmoylan-pi> he did manage to get a few firefly references into castle... spacecowboy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q3pdj9p6yI
[19:22] <zmoylan-pi> and christina hendricks in 2 episodes of firefly is just brilliant
[19:23] <penguin42> there's also a Castle episode based around the set of a corny scifi
[19:52] <m0nkey_> The advantage of living in North America. Nobody is broadcasting Eurovision.
[19:53] <Switches> Well that was an interesting 5 mins.. being told that Nick/Channel wasn't available.. damn virginmedia again I expect (had a few cannot connect to host) aswell >.<
[19:56] <penguin42> Switches: Not noticed anything from here
[19:56] <zmoylan-pi> it was in every news item this year that the eurovision is spreading to america so it's only a matter of time
[19:56] <penguin42> Switches: The only annoying thing I've had lately is gmaps taking ages to load
[19:57] <Switches> Prob just my end, been having a lot of trouble with the damn "Super Hub" lately, it's def not "Super" imo.
[19:58] <penguin42> Switches: Oh I have it in modem mode
[19:58] <Switches> Prob have to ring them again and get a replacement.. Although first have to try and explain to some non-english speaking muppet that I'm not on Windows, only to be told oh we don't support anything else..
[19:59] <daftykins> m0nkey_: i thought they were this year
[19:59] <Switches> And yeah been through it a few times already...
[19:59] <daftykins> or presumably that's US only
[19:59] <zmoylan-pi> remember shiboleet :-)
[20:01] <Switches> penguin42: I had it in modem mode for ages until the little router I had died and just never got around to replacing it..
[20:01] <Switches> Thats one thing I wish the UK was like the US for... I could buy my own DOCSIS 3 modem and use that on virgin...
[20:08] <daftykins> you can just be economical with the truth
[20:09] <diddledan> you can’t handle the truth
[20:09] <daftykins> why fight the OS thing when you can just claim you do use it :D
[20:09] <Myrtti> gah, can't watch this act at all
[20:10] <diddledan> Myrtti: it wouldn’t be bad if the director had not taken a dose of extacy just before they went on-stage
[20:10] <diddledan> weird camera-work combined with shonky rapid cuts
[20:10] <zmoylan-pi> bring back 'my lovely horse' but without the sax solo... of course... :-P
[20:11] <daftykins> sounds like the last 10 years of cinema ;)
[20:17] <penguin42> Switches: Well as for the modem, as long as it spits packets out and I don't let it do anything else I'm happy
[20:18] <Switches> penguin42: lol about the only thing it can do :D
[20:18] <penguin42> Switches: All I ask of a modem
[20:20] <daftykins> if i still lived in England i'd want a basic modem only from VM too, not these horrible attempts at routers they push out
[20:21] <zmoylan-pi> last few i got in argos... worked fine so far...
[20:21] <penguin42> daftykins: Well they have hyper advanced features - but you can just flip it into modem mode
[20:22] <daftykins> yeah, i understand that... but just getting a basic one would be nice
[20:22] <daftykins> i last had a VM service when it was 10Mb max with that nice and simple little blue modem
[20:22] <penguin42> shrug, doesn't cost me anything, as long as it works OK in modem mode I don't mind
[20:23] <daftykins> never liked the enforced bedtime the VM service always made when the device would desync around the early hours though :D
[20:24] <daftykins> i'd lose connection, pop down to the lounge and see the sync light flashing and know it was time to go to bed, no more internets that day
[20:25] <zmoylan-pi> this is where you have a cdrom drive connected to a rasp pi beside it and use the eject mechanism to reboot the router on command... :-)
[20:26] <daftykins> heh
[20:26] <daftykins> nah none of that was necessary, it was the modem desyncing because the service was down... it'd come back on its' own
[20:27] <penguin42> daftykins: I don't think I've seen that
[20:27] <daftykins> was quite a time ago - and in a student area
[21:53] <m0nkey_> What's the bet that UK gets zero this year?
[21:55] <m0nkey_> Heh, so everybody is voting for their neighbours as usual.
[21:56] <zmoylan-pi> as long as they haven't been invaded by their neighbours recently... as usual
[21:56] <m0nkey_> Ireland
[21:56] <m0nkey_> Malta?
[21:56] <m0nkey_> huh
[21:56] <m0nkey_> ok. Belgium
[21:58] <m0nkey_> Malta.. well, they usually vote for the UK, but guessing this year they wont be :)
[21:58] <m0nkey_> ha!
[21:58] <m0nkey_> called it
[21:59] <m0nkey_> Spain, Portugal or Belgium.
[22:00] <Switches> You talking about the Eurovision contest?
[22:00] <m0nkey_> yes
[22:00] <Switches> Ahh thought so, UK never gets anywhere in that
[22:01] <m0nkey_> Well, I pretty much called Malta giving 12 points to UK.
[22:01] <m0nkey_> So what happens if Australia win?
[22:03] <m0nkey_> Moldavia, 12 goes to Ukraine.
[22:03] <Switches> ... since when has Australia been in the eurovision.. and wth are they doing in it anyways
[22:03] <m0nkey_> Called it
[22:04] <m0nkey_> Heh, yeah that'll be fun. The only non EU country to enter and win.
[22:04] <m0nkey_> Cyprus, Spain.
[22:04] <zmoylan-pi> it's a bit weird but the eurovision is really a tv network sharing thing and they kinda let anyone in
[22:04] <m0nkey_> Got that wrong
[22:05] <Switches> Wonder how long it will take someone to use that as a reason to leave the EU lol
[22:05] <m0nkey_> UK get to the final regardless.
[22:05] <m0nkey_> It's basically paid for
[22:05] <zmoylan-pi> i can see the film reamke now... passport to birmingham... :-)
[22:05] <m0nkey_> Heh, the Aussies are Chinese.
[22:06] <m0nkey_> Heh, the presenters. Such awkwardness. It's funny.
[22:08] <m0nkey_> lol, that's awesome.


[17:25] <anon^_^> don't have launchpad account but had a bug to report
[17:25] <anon^_^> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/torbrowser-launcher
[17:26] <anon^_^> package downloads and installs but is broken
[17:26] <anon^_^> torbrowser-launcher attempts to download from a PPA directory that no longer exists
[17:27] <anon^_^> author Micah F Lee, micahflee nick isn't on freenode
[17:27] <anon^_^> seems to be a recent change
[17:28] <anon^_^> https://launchpad.net/~micahflee
[17:29] <anon^_^> error log
[17:29] <anon^_^> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/7be193f1/
[17:31] <anon^_^> maybe someone here knows him and can on the message
[17:33] <ginggs> anon^_^: I think you just need to remove that PPA from your apt sources
[17:34] <anon^_^> i don't think you follow
[17:34] <anon^_^> the torbrowser-launcher package is official MOTU
[17:34] <anon^_^> the application once installed, then launches and attempts to download the latest torbrowser package from Micah F Lee's PPA
[17:35] <anon^_^> torbrowser launcher also adds context menu launchers
[17:36] <anon^_^> and those launchers check for a new torbrowser package from Micah F Lee's PPA every time you launch
[17:36] <anon^_^> http://ppa.launchpad.net/micahflee/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/t/torbrower no longer exists
[17:37] <anon^_^> so torbrowser-launcher package is broken
[17:37] <anon^_^> http://ppa.launchpad.net/micahflee/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/t/torbrowser
[17:44] <ginggs> anon^_^:  what does `apt-cache policy torbrowser-launcher` say?
[17:45] <anon^_^> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/8b075d2d/
[17:46] <ginggs> that's because someone or something has added that PPA to your sources
[17:47] <ginggs> i've just installed torbrowser-launcher from the archive and it is downloading from https://dist.torproject.org/
[17:48] <anon^_^> removing, re-install
[17:48] <ginggs> my apt-cache policy says Installed: 0.2.9-2/ Candidate: 0.2.9-2
[17:49] <ginggs> but if you want / need the latest version, I suggest looking here https://github.com/micahflee
[17:54] <anon^_^> it's still broken
[17:56] <anon^_^> torbrowser-launcher package installs fine, creates two context menu items
[17:57] <anon^_^> launch "Tor Browser Launch Settings" >> Install Torbrowser and it quits
[17:58] <anon^_^> gather the same problem exists, old version points to PPA directory that no longer exists
[18:05] <ginggs> anon^_^: I still don't see anything adding a PPA on my system
[18:05] <ginggs> there's is a new version in bionic proposed you could try https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/torbrowser-launcher/0.2.9-2ubuntu1
[18:08] <anon^_^> installed package from groovy, dependencies met
[18:08] <anon^_^> after install same issue
[18:09] <anon^_^> it's erroring out when attempting to download and install the actual torbrowser
[18:09] <anon^_^> i'm giving up on this, thanks for your time
[18:09] <ginggs> i've just installed 0.2.9-2ubuntu1 and it downloads from
[18:10] <ginggs>  https://dist.torproject.org and works for me
[18:10] <anon^_^> worked fine for me 2 weeks ago
[18:10] <anon^_^> not now obviously
[18:11] <ginggs> you need to remove the package, and remove the PPA from your apt sources
[18:11] <ginggs> then install the one from bionic proposed
[18:17] <anon^_^> i did that already
[18:17] <anon^_^> same result
[18:18] <anon^_^> "torbrowser-launcher" package installs fine, no issue there
[18:19] <anon^_^> the issue is the launcher will not install torbrowser
[18:21] <ginggs> anon^_^: what does apt-cache policy say now?
[18:21] <ginggs> mine says Installed: 0.2.9-2ubuntu1
[18:22] <anon^_^> I purged all, then removed the PPA, then installed 0.29-2
[18:22] <anon^_^> and it only listed that under the apt-cache policy
[18:23] <anon^_^> same issue when launching, it would not download and install the torbrowser package
[18:23] <anon^_^> tor is installed
[18:23] <ginggs> you need 0.2.9-2ubuntu1 from bionic proposed
[18:23] <ginggs> it was only uploaded a week ago
[18:24] <anon^_^> i installed the current package from groovy
[18:24] <ginggs> and hasn't entered the main archive
[18:24] <anon^_^> dependencies met
[18:24] <anon^_^> 0.3.2-14
[18:24] <anon^_^> installs fine
[18:25] <anon^_^> then launch "Tor Browswer Launcher Settings" >> click "Install Torbrowser" and it errors out
[18:25] <anon^_^> Error starting download
[18:26] <ginggs> with 0.2.9-2ubuntu1 i started torbrowser-launcher from the terminal
[18:26] <anon^_^> https://aus1.torproject.org/torbrowser/update_3/release/Linux_x86_64-gcc3/x/en-US
[18:27] <ginggs> it downloads torbrowser10 and verifies it, and runs fine
[18:27] <anon^_^> "Trying to download over Tor. Are you sure Tor is configured correctly and running?"
[18:27] <anon^_^> it is
[18:28] <anon^_^> that's the error received
[18:30] <anon^_^> the issue might be this
[18:30] <anon^_^> and i could be wrong
[18:32] <anon^_^> torbrowser contains it's own tor executable i believe
[18:33] <anon^_^> if you already have the 'tor' package installed and running for other uses, it might conflict
[18:37] <anon^_^> yeah that's not it either
[18:37] <anon^_^> i don't know at this point
[18:38] <anon^_^> some conflict, not sure what broke it
[18:57] <ginggs> well the torbrowser-launcher package recommends the tor package
[18:57] <ginggs> so i ended up with both
[18:57] <ginggs> apt-cache policy tor
[18:58] <ginggs> Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>-1