[02:11] <greg-g> jcastro: hehe http://grossmeier.net/files/screenshots/which-is-it.png
[03:09] <greg-g> http://blog.grossmeier.net/2011/04/14/mug-sponsorship-success/
[03:10] <greg-g> If you couldn't guess from the url: our sponsorship drive was a success!
[03:23] <widox> greg-g: awesome!
[03:23] <widox> was going to ask if you got my money
[03:23] <greg-g> widox: yep, sure did!
[04:07] <rick_h_> yay!
[04:07] <jjesse> yay greg-g
[04:08] <jjesse> also got my taxes done before they were due
[04:08] <jjesse> yay
[04:08] <rick_h_> heh, finished ours today, have to put the check in the mail tomorrow :(
[04:08] <jjesse> getting money back from federal and paying state and city
[04:10] <rick_h_> damn, hit another error, up to 3,430 bookmarks processed, time to fix error and start over
[04:11] <jjesse> wow thats a lot of bookmarks
[04:11] <rick_h_> heh, the total is over 15k
[04:12] <rick_h_> got a sample from a guy with many bookmarks to stress test bookie
[04:13] <jjesse> 15k bookmarks?  wow
[04:14] <jjesse> i can't remember the last time i bookmarked a site, doesn't google take care of that for me?
[04:14] <rick_h_> yea, just a few. Makes for good test material
[04:15] <rick_h_> sorry, 16733 actually
[04:15] <rick_h_> with 7344 tags
[04:16] <rick_h_> I've only got 1/10 that
[04:16] <rick_h_> but yea, trying to load up the content of all of those pages without getting any sort of script error
[13:03] <wolfger> morning
[13:03] <brousch> coffee
[13:06] <wolfger> cool... I used to read WTF all the time. He's coming to Penguicon. http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Penguicon-2011.aspx
[13:13] <rick_h_> ugh, zzzzzz
[13:13] <rick_h_> I have a feeling not much is going to get done today
[13:14] <brousch> turn that frown upside-down and get hoppin!
[13:14] <widox> at least its friday!
[13:15] <rick_h_> yea, so sleepy though, and road trip
[13:15] <rick_h_> I need to place a new law, all wife's friends must live within a 30min radius
[13:16] <brousch> you visiting the better side of the state today?
[13:16] <tjagoda> brousch is far too happy this morning
[13:17] <brousch> unity has been running for 2 days in my VM. what's not to be happy about?
[13:18] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, will be in muskeegon tonight/tomorrow
[13:21] <brousch> too cold to have fun
[13:22] <brousch> you could go to GLSEC
[13:22] <rick_h_> yea, 1yr old birthday party so booked already
[13:22] <rick_h_> and not sticking around long enough to have free time
[13:23] <brousch> party party
[13:26] <snap-l> rick_h_: Oh joy
[13:27] <snap-l> and it's your favoritest person, I'm sure. :)
[13:28] <rick_h_> she's cool, her husband I still can't believe she married
[13:28] <rick_h_> full tool factor in effect
[13:28] <brousch> welcome to muskegon
[13:29] <rick_h_> yea, basically
[13:29] <brousch> the flint of west michigan
[13:29] <snap-l> I thought it was more Ferndale than Flint
[13:29] <rick_h_> this is the guy that was doing night PC monitoring shifts for mejier and wanted to know how he could get to 'do what you do with the working from home and great pay' in less than a year 'without going to school, I don't have time for that'
[13:30] <snap-l> rick_h_: Oh boy.
[13:30] <snap-l> One of those "You fuck around on the Internet all day and get paid $$" folks? :)
[13:31] <brousch> PC Pro Schools!
[13:31] <rick_h_> well, it's the case of "I'm in computers"
[13:31] <rick_h_> so you ask and find out he sits in a control center with a bunch of monitors and if any lights go red he calls someone
[13:31] <snap-l> Yeah, that's all we do; surf the net and collect paychekcs
[13:31] <brousch> tell him to start a blog. it is the road to riches with no effort
[13:32] <snap-l> Or a podcast
[13:32] <brousch> he'll need an editor ...
[13:32] <snap-l> Heck, we're only .00001% away from that island.
[13:32] <snap-l> progress!
[13:33] <rick_h_> have we made $0.0001 yet?
[13:33] <snap-l> I think you got a referral once.
[13:33] <snap-l> unless you bought from your own code. ;)
[13:33] <rick_h_> phew, almost had to use a soap api at work...but they don't support the api for the admin side of the app, only the report generation
[13:33] <wolfger> .00001% away? Or .00001% towards?
[13:33] <snap-l> rick_h_: Oh God
[13:33] <snap-l> wolfger: What do you think? :)
[13:34] <rick_h_> 26 clicks with 0 conversions so far according to AMZ
[13:34] <wolfger> I think it's the opposite of what you said
[13:34] <tjagoda> brousch: It hasn't crashed on you?
[13:34] <tjagoda> Mine crashes if I try to use the 3d matrix screensaver =(
[13:34] <rick_h_> I need to tie the podcast into a business so I can write off gear expenses
[13:34] <snap-l> rick_h_: Well, 4 more clicks, and we can get 6% of nothing instead of 4%
[13:34] <brousch> tjagoda: nope. and it's been through half a dozen sleep cycles too
[13:34] <tjagoda> ..wow
[13:34] <wolfger> rick_h_: Shh. Don't say "amz" too loudly. snap-l will blow a gasket.
[13:35] <tjagoda> I crash a few times a day
[13:35] <rick_h_> ruh roh
[13:35] <rick_h_> I think I might upgrade today
[13:35] <rick_h_> in place upgrade on the laptop
[13:35] <tjagoda> The register just posted I terrible review of beta 2
[13:35] <rick_h_> I don't have anything due today, might as well break my systesm to bits
[13:35] <snap-l> wolfger: You might want to try a 1980s toy, because my ripcord is a little hardr to find.
[13:35] <wolfger> lol
[13:35] <tjagoda> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/14/ubuntu_second_beta/
[13:35] <tjagoda> rick_h: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/14/ubuntu_second_beta/
[13:35] <rick_h_> and no, that doesn't mean unity will touch this
[13:36] <brousch> tjagoda: i just installed the lastest dist-upgrade. we'll see if it dies
[13:36] <wolfger> snap-l: That's not how I recall our last conversation going.
[13:36] <snap-l> rick_h_: Oh, you know you'll give it 10 minutes.
[13:36] <tjagoda> hmm
[13:36] <tjagoda> I should do a dist-upgrade when I get home
[13:36] <rick_h_> snap-l: hmmm, doubtful
[13:36] <tjagoda> I only did a normal upgrade last night
[13:37] <brousch> wolfger: it's not that he hates amazon, it's that he is a big ubuntu one fanboy
[13:37] <wolfger> brousch: it's both
[13:37] <snap-l> wolfger: Talk to my UPS guy. I don't hate Amazon. :)
[13:39] <brousch> all of the nautilus icons changed to a very greyish brown
[13:39] <brousch> they all look disabled
[13:39] <brousch> like they're unavailable
[13:41] <brousch> i think all of the latest icon changes are less intuitive than the previous icons
[13:44] <rick_h_> crap, what's the upgrade -d command? I just had it and lost it
[13:44] <wolfger> snap-l: you have an irrational hatred of AmazonMP3
[13:45] <brousch> rick_h_: do-release-upgrade ?
[13:45] <rick_h_> no, that's not it. You send a -d for development release to this command
[13:45] <rick_h_> heh, guess that has it, I'm thinking of a different one though, oh well
[13:45] <rick_h_> I'll try this one then
[13:46] <brousch> you're going natty on your main laptop?
[13:47] <rick_h_> yea, nothing due for work today and having a giant WTH moment
[13:47] <brousch> hm, i think it's not using the theme it says it is
[13:47] <rick_h_> 11 installed packages are no longer supported by Canonical. You can
[13:47] <rick_h_> still get support from the community.
[13:48] <rick_h_> hmmm, I wonder what those 11 are :/
[13:48] <rick_h_> it would be nice to have those listed
[13:48] <brousch> awesome and vim
[13:48] <rick_h_> ah, details, got it
[13:48] <brousch> git
[13:48] <rick_h_>  f-spot gnome-user-share gnupg-curl ibus-m17n  libflickrnet2.2-cil libgnome-keyring1.0-cil libgnome-pilot2  liboil0.3 plymouth-x11 psfontmgr python-fstab
[13:49] <rick_h_> You have to download a total of 1336M. This download will take about
[13:49] <rick_h_> 23 minutes with your connection.
[13:49] <rick_h_> let-r-rip
[13:49] <brousch> bite me
[13:49] <brousch> 1.3GB in 23 minutes
[13:50] <rick_h_> though times like this I do wish I had the higher end plan
[13:53] <brousch> heh, tried to take a screenshot of the funky theme and it locked up with half-transparent windows. good thing i'm using a VM so i can take a screenshot of the locked up screenshot
[13:55] <brousch> now to wander launchpad
[13:56] <brousch> must be video glitch. changing out of full screen mode fixed it
[13:57] <brousch> heh, screenshots in unity are apparntly useless
[14:04] <wolfger> how so?
[14:04] <wolfger> oh, nm.  I mean, does anyone want to see video of PC? really?
[14:11] <snap-l> rick_h_: I think gib is going to be the next JustinTV
[14:12] <snap-l> I'm getting a little tired of him saying that everything needs broadcasting
[14:15] <snap-l> I understand that it's new and cool, and likely interests him, but logistically it's a pain in the ass.
[14:16] <snap-l> Unless he wants to spend his money buying bandwidth (myfi), I'd rather not be a party to abusing someone else's bandwidth.
[14:17] <snap-l> And he's been to other release parties. Nobody, but nobody wants to watch a bunch of guys drink beer and talk about / install Ubuntu
[14:17] <snap-l> unless a) they're participating, or b) you're Diggnation.
[14:17] <rick_h_> I think I need to send him the content article I was reading today
[14:18] <snap-l> http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox/ref=pe_36550_19506740_pe_00_head
[14:18] <rick_h_> http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2011/04/12/make-your-content-make-a-difference/
[14:18] <rick_h_> snap-l: you suck...that is all
[14:19] <snap-l> rick_h_: Just let me play with it once you get it. ;)
[14:19] <rick_h_> I can't...man but me wants...
[14:19] <rick_h_> I think my wife would hide me in a muskeengon swamp if I did
[14:23] <snap-l> Pretty sure she would.
[14:23] <rick_h_> I can't manage to close the window though lol.
[14:23] <rick_h_> you know a new one is coming before school I bet
[14:23] <snap-l> rick_h_: They're moving towards free
[14:24] <snap-l> I an feel it
[14:24] <snap-l> It's a reverse auction on the kindle
[14:24] <rick_h_> yea, but I'm not willing to go ads for it
[14:24] <rick_h_> I'll pay for the dippy device, and you know the DX isn't on that free list
[14:24] <snap-l> Not for $114, but what about $25?
[14:25] <rick_h_> and that dx has 3g, hmmmm
[14:25] <snap-l> If the ads prove successful, they might even go lower
[14:25] <snap-l> Send them out to the prime customers.
[14:25] <rick_h_> no, I'm completely against ads on there
[14:25] <rick_h_> 110%
[14:25] <snap-l> You are, but how many people are?
[14:26] <rick_h_> it's like saying ubuntu can put ads on the boot/shutdown screens. No way
[14:26] <rick_h_> I know, and even pople against it will end up with them
[14:26] <rick_h_> they'll sell :( but I can't stand the lack of places I can go sans-ads any more
[14:27] <wolfger> $300 for a Kindle. On sale. Really??? People pay for that?
[14:27] <rick_h_> man, that DX at that price is gold...ugh...
[14:27] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm not a fan of ads either.
[14:28] <rick_h_> wolfger: it's the larger DX model
[14:28] <snap-l> It's the holy grail of eBook readers
[14:28] <snap-l> Ah to be able to read PDF files without zooming...
[14:28] <rick_h_> exactly, especially since I've started to get teh books straight from the publishers in pdf form
[14:28] <snap-l> https://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/27081
[14:28] <rick_h_> though I still think it'd be too heavy for that bed time reading
[14:29] <wolfger> rick_h_: I don't care what model it is. It's sole purpose in life is to allow you to buy overpriced e-books. If it's not free, you're paying too much.
[14:29] <rick_h_> snap-l: nice, I was thinking of looking that upo
[14:29] <snap-l> wolfger: You know not what you talk about
[14:29] <rick_h_> wolfger: yea, because it's free to deviver hardware with month-long battery life and 1000+ books in one sleek device
[14:29] <snap-l> Or you're trolling. :)
[14:29] <brousch> i can buy an ipad for $300!
[14:29] <wolfger> snap-l: It has a purpose other than reading e-books that cost as much as hardcover books?
[14:30] <rick_h_> right, and an i-pad sucks for reading books
[14:30] <brousch> no way. steve jobs says it is perfect for books
[14:30] <rick_h_> it all depends on the books you get I guess
[14:30] <snap-l> wolfger: Yes, and it's called reading discounted PDF and ePub files from tech publishers
[14:30] <wolfger> hmm
[14:30] <rick_h_> if I didn't just write a fat check to the tax man that thing would be ordered
[14:31] <rick_h_> and I'd owe my wife a lot of points for forgiveness
[14:31] <rick_h_> the darn thing is too big to hide from here :)
[14:31] <rick_h_> /here/her
[14:31] <brousch> tell her you got a bumper for your old one
[14:31] <brousch> so it just seems bigger
[14:31] <snap-l> rick_h_: You wouldn't have time to read it, because your ass would be giving foot-rubs every waking moment.
[14:31] <rick_h_> lol
[14:32] <rick_h_> I might be able to get $99 for mine, that covers part of it
[14:32] <rick_h_> anyone need a $200 python script written? :)
[14:32] <brousch> tons of them on rent a coder
[14:32] <brousch> it will only tak you 2 weeks
[14:33] <rick_h_> lol, awesome
[14:33] <snap-l> "I want a new website. NExt facebook. IPO opportunity. $200"
[14:33] <rick_h_> "I'd like a copy of digg for $50"
[14:33] <rick_h_> ooh, pricey one there
[14:33] <snap-l> "Meeet me at Caribou for my awesome new business opportunity."
[14:34] <rick_h_> lol, "VOIP is the future!"
[14:36] <tjagoda> My tax return paid for my blackberry playbook
[14:36] <tjagoda> =)
[14:38] <rick_h_> tjagoda: heh, well it's all good. Just means I didn't give the govt a nice loan all year interest free
[14:38] <snap-l> tjagoda: Oh, so you're the other person that bought one?
[14:38] <rick_h_> but enjoy that playbook, loving the mixed reviews coming in
[14:38] <tjagoda> Excellent hardware reviews so far
[14:38] <jrwren> brousch: you can snipe zuckerberg for all I care.
[14:39] <rick_h_> so so from the one's I've read
[14:39] <tjagoda> Supposedly 10 hours battery life
[14:39] <rick_h_> and bad on the software side
[14:39] <tjagoda> Nobody's really been able to review much of the software
[14:39] <tjagoda> It all really comes down to whether or not your article was written my somebody lusting for an iPad
[14:39] <rick_h_> heh, I don't think it's that single minded
[14:39] <tjagoda> So many of the reviews are obviously biased in one direction or the other
[14:40] <tjagoda> either in favor or blackberry or in favor of apple
[14:40] <wolfger> rick_h_: you could stream the launch party on a $20 pay-per-view :-D
[14:40] <tjagoda> nobody seems to care about the Android tab's
[14:40] <rick_h_> and I've seen 7hrs - 10hrs dependind on how the battery test was done http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/13/blackberry-playbook-review/
[14:40] <tjagoda> I like that both it's camera and display are real HD
[14:41] <greg-g> rick_h_: thanks for that last tweet :)
[14:41] <rick_h_> greg-g: no problem, good stuff
[14:41] <greg-g> I felt bad, I/you beat them to the punch by a couple days ;)
[14:42] <rick_h_> ok, upgrade done...brb (hopefully)
[14:42] <greg-g> eek
[14:42] <tjagoda> Has a mini-HDMI port too
[14:42] <tjagoda> epid
[14:42] <tjagoda> epic*
[14:42] <brousch> RIP rick_h_
[14:44] <rick_h_> yay, made it this far
[14:46] <rick_h_> ugh, seems a small delay in things atm
[14:46] <greg-g> don't worry, it is just churning through your dotfiles removing things that aren't in the standard user interface
[14:47] <brousch> i think they are shoving a bunch of updates through this morning
[14:47] <brousch> every time i dist-upgrade there's new stuff
[14:51] <rick_h_> ugh, still no dual monitor...not that I was overly hopefull
[14:51] <rick_h_> but held out a small chance
[14:52] <snap-l> huh, didn't realize there's still a PowerPC Ubuntu
[14:53] <snap-l> One of the guys at MUG was mentioning something about PowerPC
[14:53] <greg-g> rick_h_: no dual monitor? isn't that kind of a showstopper?
[14:59] <greg-g> ok, question, if a non-profit organization that funds some full-time paid devs on an open-source project that has an active/large volunteer dev community was thinking of doing some R&D type experiments on the code...
[15:00] <rick_h_> greg-g: been like this since I updated my bios back in 10.04
[15:00] <greg-g> Like, doing throw-away interface changes etc, what do you think the volunteer dev communities' reaction would be to a call for help? These experiments will most likely be choosen by the organization not the community (but of coruse with community input)
[15:00] <rick_h_> greg-g: so if...?
[15:00] <greg-g> I was thinking, initially, it'd be "heck no I'm not doing your dirty work for you"
[15:01] <greg-g> but then I thought that these might be fun/interesting/out of the ordinary so it actually might illicit contributions from the volunteer side
[15:01] <rick_h_> well, I think it'd be mixed
[15:01] <rick_h_> right, R&D == more fun usually
[15:01] <greg-g> yeah, always, I guess
[15:01] <rick_h_> but also might not be 'scratch my itch'
[15:01] <snap-l> Depends on how it's sold
[15:01] <rick_h_> and then there's the 'hey, you're hiring people to work on that, either hire me or forget it'
[15:02] <rick_h_> yea
[15:02] <snap-l> If you sell it as "we'd like you to do the heavy lifting, and we'll cherry-pick the goodies", ten it'll be bad.
[15:02] <greg-g> right right
[15:02] <snap-l> if you sell it as "we're holding a contest..."
[15:02] <snap-l> then that might work
[15:02]  * greg-g nods
[15:02] <rick_h_> bah, I'm only on 10.10
[15:03] <greg-g> alright, thanks for being a sounding board
[15:03]  * greg-g goes back to this email
[15:03] <snap-l> greg-g: There's a way to make what they want palletable
[15:04] <snap-l> contests might not be the way, but something where it's collaborative, with the idea that the community might not have the final word
[15:04] <brousch> rick_h_: you have to upgrade through each release, you can't skip them
[15:04] <brousch> except LTS to LTS
[15:04] <greg-g> snap-l: right, definitely
[15:05] <rick_h_> yea, and the maverick->natty won't go because of existing packages it looks like
[15:05] <rick_h_> the problem with contents is that some people are paid devs
[15:06] <snap-l> greg-g: Or they could just tell the truth
[15:06] <snap-l> "Hey, we're not UI designers, and we want the best interface possible"
[15:06] <snap-l> "We don't have enough $$ to pay, but we'd like some help to make this awesome"
[15:06] <snap-l> (or whatever the situation is)
[15:07]  * greg-g nods
[15:07] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah, definitely nuanced
[15:07] <snap-l> worst case, the community says no, so then you know what you can work with
[15:08] <snap-l> but I'm sure if they have a developed community, someone will step up
[15:08] <snap-l> I mean, there's people that develop Linux for free, even though Linus and others are paid.
[15:13] <snap-l> Have I mentioned how much I hate Java lately?
[15:13] <snap-l> because there's a lot of stupid in this language.
[15:14] <waldo323> is that a class i missed?
[15:14] <waldo323> ;)
[15:14] <snap-l> ex: I'm looking to use Jax-ws
[15:15] <snap-l> 2.1.7 is distributed as a .jar, with ne class called "main"
[15:15] <snap-l> 2.2.3 is a zip file with everything that I need, apparently.
[15:16] <snap-l> Except 2.2.3 gives me this admonition that JDK 1.6 ships with blah blah, which is not compatible with blah blah unless I use the blah blah extension to blah blah the blah blah
[15:17] <snap-l> Ah, it's because I need to accept the CDDL before using 2.1.7
[15:17] <snap-l> How clever.
[15:21] <jrwren> snap-l: you basically have to be a java dev to rn that shit. best step up.
[15:24] <snap-l> jrwren: So, in order to run java, first I need to be a java developer
[15:25] <snap-l> that's consistent with my experience.
[15:25] <snap-l> Maybe I should send away for one of those certifications so I can learn the secret handshake
[15:26] <jrwren> that is my beleif.
[15:26] <jrwren> i remember trying to run java servets when I was a sysadmin, I basically had to be a java dev.
[15:26] <jrwren> I don't think that has changed.
[15:27] <snap-l> jrwren: Nah, just dump the war files in a directory, and restart the server
[15:27] <snap-l> Or, more accurately, dump the war files in a directory, and take down the server
[15:27] <snap-l> same effect, really.
[15:28] <snap-l> .war. HUNGH, good God y'all
[15:28] <snap-l> What is it good for? Fuckin' up my TOMCAT
[15:28] <snap-l> Woooo
[15:29] <wolfger> LOL
[15:29] <jrwren> yeah, then many apps aren't web configurationble.
[15:29] <jrwren> so go edit some properties file somewhere.
[15:30] <jrwren> and often finding that file is a bitch because its burried deep in some j2ee server location
[15:30] <snap-l> jrwren: And this is reason #1 why I go to MichiPUG and not Java Anonymous
[15:30] <jrwren> lol.
[15:30] <jrwren> you go to michipug now?
[15:30] <snap-l> On occasion
[15:31] <snap-l> You've seen me there. ;)
[15:31] <snap-l> I'm the guy that's not rick_h_ ;)
[15:33] <rick_h_> ok, so getting desparate now...did I mention that I deserve what I get for trying to upgrade to natty?
[15:34] <rick_h_> I think my system is about to blow up, time to get the usb drive ready lol
[15:34] <snap-l> Did you back up prior to this?
[15:36] <rick_h_> nope :)
[15:36] <brousch> did you lobotomize yourself last night?
[15:37] <rick_h_> pretty much
[15:37] <rick_h_> no, most of my stuff is in git repos or dropbox
[15:37] <rick_h_> made sure I pushed my git repos before starting this
[15:37] <rick_h_> though now that I did redo my colo I guess those git repos aren't in the 'cloud' any more
[15:38] <brousch> a common datacenter?
[15:38] <brousch> how quaint
[15:38] <rick_h_> please sir, might I have a natty upgrade?
[15:39] <wolfger> snap-l: so there's a whole 3 of you that go to Michipug?
[15:42] <rick_h_> ok, well uninstalling all of xorg makes the upgrade process go thorugh for me
[15:42] <rick_h_> well, at least it starts, we'll see how it turns out in the end
[15:43] <rick_h_> another 1.3gb of downloads yay
[15:43] <brousch> geez
[15:43] <rick_h_> uverse hates me today
[15:46] <jrwren> i haven't been to michipug in a long time.
[15:47] <snap-l> wolfger: There were over 10 people at the last meeting.
[15:47] <snap-l> Didn't think to get an accurate headcount
[15:48] <wolfger> snap-l: then "I'm the guy that's not rick_h_" isn't all that helpful... :-p
[15:49] <rick_h_> no, that's a good help. we get confused a lot
[15:49] <rick_h_> :P
[15:49] <snap-l> I love Borders. Now I'm getting coupons in the mail that are "excludes toys, games, puzzles, and stuffed animals"
[15:49] <rick_h_> "not valid on tomatos, fabric softener, or fish"
[15:50] <snap-l> Apparently I broke them by purchasing just about every Munchkin core set they had. ;)
[15:50] <snap-l> "40% coupon, + 10% borders member, + $5 bonus bucks"
[15:51] <snap-l> and a free tasty beverage.
[15:51] <jcastro> rick_h_: this LG 2x looks awesome
[15:51] <jcastro> http://www.androidcentral.com/hands-lg-optimus-2x
[15:53] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, the LG stuff is starting to look good
[15:53] <jcastro> lame that it's only 2.2 though
[15:53] <rick_h_> jcastro: you notice that there's a lack of trackballs on the new phones?
[15:54] <jcastro> no I didn't
[15:54] <rick_h_> yea, holding out for ice cream sandwhich for my next phone
[15:54] <jcastro> I don't know if I like that or not
[15:54] <rick_h_> thinking 4g + that will carry me for a bit
[15:54] <rick_h_> yea, like the droid X has arrow keys on the keyboard to make up for it
[15:54] <rick_h_> but I like the hardware button there
[15:54] <rick_h_> I use that to wake my device and such
[15:54] <rick_h_> and for moving around/etc
[15:55] <rick_h_> but all the new fancy phones, no button/optical trackball
[15:55] <rick_h_> jcastro: how'd the night finish up?
[15:55] <rick_h_> was good stuff saying hi
[15:57] <rick_h_> oh man, her cat is named vi, I should name my rotty vim when I get him/her: http://amayita.livejournal.com/197886.html
[15:58] <jcastro> was fine
[15:58] <jcastro> went to slows BBQ
[15:59] <rick_h_> nice
[16:00] <jcastro> I wish they had a nice midrange android in the $350 price range
[16:04] <greg-g> btw, _stink_ or rick_h_ or snap-l who is trustedsage in #bookie?
[16:04] <snap-l> nfc
[16:06] <rick_h_> greg-g: no idea, never spoken in there
[16:06] <rick_h_> he's a silent follower I guess
[16:07] <rick_h_> I think he might be a guy from AA group that got told about bookie early on? the guy that wants the right-click in the chrome bookmark?
[16:07] <rick_h_> but not verified
[16:07] <krondor> mmm slow's
[16:07] <rick_h_> I need to head there, do love me some bbq
[16:08] <brousch> damn you all. i'm starving and taking a late lunch
[16:09] <snap-l> Apparently Groove Salad is in the annoying female vocals section of the program
[16:12] <krondor> here's a good table of the dual core phones coming out, their specs, and their carriers (not release times though)  http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/15/htc-sensation-versus-the-rest-of-the-dual-core-world-smartphone/
[16:14] <wolfger> dual-core CPU phones
[16:14] <wolfger> there's something your parents would never have dreamed up
[16:15] <rick_h_> it's all our fault, we should stop calling them phones
[16:15] <rick_h_> it's the true personal computer
[16:15] <wolfger> really, yeah
[16:15] <wolfger> I think I will start calling mine a mini-tablet
[16:16] <wolfger> I think phone calls amount to <10% of my total usage
[16:17] <rick_h_> ooh, install almost done yay
[16:17] <wolfger> and it's only as high as it is because I'm in a hotel 4 nights a week and talking to home
[16:17] <snap-l> jrwren: You remember you joking about Java requiring you to be a Java Developer in order to run Java?
[16:17] <snap-l> Just ran into that with wsdlimport.sh
[16:17] <jrwren> i wasn't joking.
[16:17] <snap-l> Apparently, you need to run this in order to get the libraries that I was looking for
[16:17] <jrwren> was there a smiley when I wrote it?
[16:18] <snap-l> No, you're absolutely right
[16:18] <snap-l> what an impenetrable piece of shit
[16:19] <snap-l> and part of the problem was that the certificates for our environment weren't set up properly in my dev environment
[16:26] <jrwren> :(
[16:26] <jrwren> cert mgmt is always so painful
[16:31] <snap-l> Oh happy fuckin' day: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150591993642#ht_1699wt_840
[16:31] <snap-l> I swear, Wendy Carlos' music is worth more than gold at the prices people put this stuff at.
[16:33] <snap-l> http://cgi.ebay.com/SWITCHED-BACH-WENDY-CARLOS-LE-GOLD-CD-RARE-/380332329178#ht_500wt_855
[16:44] <greg-g> rick_h_: everyone is getting on this tiling bandwagon: http://mizage.com/divvy/
[16:47] <rick_h_> greg-g: yep, large displays, multi head display, people don't want to ahve to manually drag/resize things
[16:47] <rick_h_> even the gui fans are catching on
[16:48] <rick_h_> few more years it'll be full auto tiling I think
[16:49] <rick_h_> lol, requires you to click/drag to organize
[16:50] <rick_h_> bah, poor implementations ugh
[16:50] <snap-l> The circle will be complete the day Lifehacker says you can double your productivity by hooking a VT220 to your serial port, and run Word Perfect 5.1
[16:52] <rick_h_> geeze, this update manager "building data structures" is taking forever
[16:52] <rick_h_> I'm closing in an hour :/
[16:52] <rick_h_> and only at 36%
[16:53] <snap-l> rick_h_: Were you looking at getting nothing done today?  Up to 75% now
[17:25] <rick_h_> though I did get lunch/mail tax check between then and the new 75% margin
[17:34] <snap-l> but Only 4/11 worked out how to change the background picture. This is not as bad as it looks: for some of the others, Charline had asked them *not* to right-click on the desktop, because she was testing access to settings in general. Nevertheless, no-one found System Settings, in the session menu or anywhere else.
[17:34] <snap-l> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-April/032988.html
[17:35] <snap-l> Nobody seemed to understand what the Ubuntu button was for, or the distinction between the Dash main screen and the Applications screen.
[17:37] <rick_h_> lmao "../thought the ubuntu software center was a trash can"
[17:37] <_stink_> hahaha
[17:38] <snap-l> Seriously, it's a paper bag
[17:38] <rick_h_> love this! "(P10 was particularly unlucky in doing ..."
[17:38] <rick_h_> poor sap
[17:38] <fdvalero>  lol
[17:38] <rick_h_> oh man, these are funny. I need to read these more often
[17:39] <rick_h_> (P2 deserves special mention for finding and launching the game's .desktop file amongst piles of detritus in Nautilus's "File System" search results.)
[17:40] <rick_h_> ooh, that final one stings a bit
[17:40] <rick_h_> 5/11 participants (P2, P3, P5, P9, P10, P11) crashed Unity during their hour of testing. And towards the end of her test, P11 opened a zombie quicklist that stayed on top of everything and didn't respond to clicks.
[17:40] <tjagoda> Mhm
[17:40] <tjagoda> Unity is awesome
[17:40] <tjagoda> jcastro: WHAT HAVE YOU ALL DONE
[17:40] <tjagoda> =P
[17:40] <wolfger> 13 days til launch!
[17:41]  * rick_h_ reconsiders my 92% through upgrade now lol
[17:41] <tjagoda> I like that I'm not the only person saying unity is bad now
[17:41] <rick_h_> One dichotomy I see between this study group and this discussion is a lack of
[17:41] <rick_h_> any dedicated Ubuntu users.  I know there's a lot of focus on jumping the
[17:41] <rick_h_> exactly!
[17:41] <rick_h_> chasm, but I would have thought it would have been useful to see how an
[17:41] <rick_h_> experienced user of Ubuntu's version of Gnome managed to transition to Unity.
[17:41] <tjagoda> previously it was just me and then snap-l would light a paper bag of poop on my porch
[17:41] <tjagoda> =P
[17:42] <rick_h_> wow, I can't wait to interview Charline now
[17:42] <gamerchick02> rick_h_: i've been kind of addressing that on my blog
[17:43] <rick_h_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-April/032997.html
[17:43] <rick_h_> dammit, I hate these new browsers with their controls spread across the whole width of their window
[17:44] <rick_h_> back, forward, stop, reload should all be in the same dippy place
[17:44] <rick_h_> and stop/reload should be the one button (which most do now)
[17:44] <tjagoda> rick_h: You can change that in Firefox 4...
[17:44] <tjagoda> Right Click -> Customize, drag the button
[17:45] <tjagoda> For instance, back, forward, stop, reload, and home are all right next to each other on the left of my menu
[17:46] <rick_h_> tjagoda: ah, good to know
[17:46] <tjagoda> and stop/reload are one button still
[17:46] <rick_h_> using FF since I pulled chrome out for the upgrade proces
[17:46] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: linky?
[17:46] <tjagoda> I love FF4
[17:46] <gamerchick02> http://gamerchick02.posterous.com
[17:46] <tjagoda> I have bookmark and preference syncing setup too
[17:46] <tjagoda> Chrome no longer has any HUGE features which I dont I think
[17:47] <gamerchick02> some of it is ubuntu goodness, and some of it is podcast babble
[17:47] <rick_h_> tjagoda: I'm not a fan of the top ui
[17:47] <rick_h_> and chrome (ime) is still much faster launch/etc
[17:48] <rick_h_> and when you get things like extension sync, that's a huge +1 for me (and why I just uninstalled it pre-upgrade, a fresh install will sync everything back)
[17:49] <tjagoda> why would I care about fast launch?
[17:49] <tjagoda> I never close firefox
[17:49] <tjagoda> I open it once and leave it up
[17:49] <tjagoda> Browsing is very snappy now
[17:49] <wolfger> 4eva
[17:52] <snap-l> tjagoda: Why do you say I'm sending flaming crap your way?
[17:54] <snap-l> Unity is growing on me
[17:54] <snap-l> And it still needs a bunch of polish
[17:56] <rick_h_> heh, well that went horribly bad
[17:56] <rick_h_> laptop I think is offically toast
[17:58] <rick_h_> anyone hit me up with a .iso link to the natty b2 please?
[17:58] <snap-l> toast as in "needs more jam"?
[17:58] <rick_h_> toast as in boots to grub and then I get pretty purle screen with nadda
[17:59] <rick_h_> boot into safe mode, plymouth bombs "unable to locate mountall"
[17:59] <snap-l> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[17:59] <rick_h_> crap, no copy/paste in cmd-line server mode ugh, this could take a sec
[18:00] <rick_h_> bah, installing ubuntu desktop on the home file server so can't install zsync right now
[18:00] <rick_h_> ok, will just be patient
[18:00] <snap-l> You can get the iso
[18:00] <snap-l> one sec.
[18:01] <snap-l> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-amd64.iso
[18:01] <tjagoda> rick_h is so going to be in #linuxMint-us-mi or #debian-us-mi by the end of the day
[18:01] <tjagoda> =P
[18:02] <wolfger> #gentoo-us-mi
[18:02] <rick_h_> snap-l: ty, downloading while I wait for the ubuntu-desktop pacakge to finish
[18:02] <gamerchick02> good luck, rick_h_
[18:02] <greg-g> yeah, no sounding fun
[18:03] <rick_h_> heh, no, I'll get it installed. Just need to get a download, usb boot drive made up, do the backup of files I wanted to avoid
[18:03] <rick_h_> and then do a fresh install vs upgrade
[18:03] <gamerchick02> I have a bunch of stuff coming down the pipe for my blog: lococast review, Good Game and Good Game SP review, more impressions of ubuntu natty.
[18:03] <rick_h_> oh well, did I mention I deserve whatever I get for trying to do an upgrade today?
[18:03] <gamerchick02> rick_h_ i did a upgrade and I get a GLib error when i try to run sudo.
[18:03] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: awesome!
[18:03] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: never got that cleared out?
[18:03] <gamerchick02> nope
[18:03] <rick_h_> ugh, yea I think fresh is the only way to go
[18:03] <tjagoda> I have done upgrades since 2009
[18:04] <gamerchick02> the problem isn't on my netbook, which i did an upgrade from maverick netbook.
[18:04] <tjagoda> I think my system76 shipped with 9.10
[18:04] <rick_h_> which I normally do, but I got a bug up my pants today about getting B2 going and upgrading
[18:04] <tjagoda> maybe even 9.04
[18:04] <gamerchick02> fresh install of maverick netbook, then upgrade to natty
[18:04] <tjagoda> netupgraded the whole way baby
[18:04] <gamerchick02> nice!
[18:04] <snap-l> gamerchick02: There was only one video game show that I could stand
[18:04] <rick_h_> tjagoda: must be all your BB magic :P
[18:04] <snap-l> it was on channel-flip. Name escapes me right now.
[18:05] <gamerchick02> snap-l: this is Aussie so it's from a different perspective. i really like it.
[18:05] <tjagoda> I usually wait a few weeks post release before I upgraded
[18:05] <snap-l> Play:Digital
[18:05] <gamerchick02> cool.
[18:05] <snap-l> Most of them are too puerile for my tastes
[18:06] <gamerchick02> snap-l: http://www.abc.net.au/tv/goodgame/
[18:06] <gamerchick02> check it out
[18:06] <gamerchick02> see what you think
[18:07] <rick_h_> oh heh, looks like after install the paritions on disk moved around on it
[18:08] <rick_h_> anyone know how to get from uuid to /dev/sda1-5?
[18:09] <gamerchick02> unfortunately, no, i don't.
[18:09] <rick_h_> hmm, maybe not. I guess that does check out
[18:11] <snap-l> gamerchick02: Meh, it's inoffensive. ;)
[18:11] <gamerchick02> uh, is that a bad thing?
[18:11] <snap-l> No, that's a good thing
[18:12] <snap-l> Makes me think that Doctor Who is reviewing games.
[18:12] <gamerchick02> i like it because it doesn't talk down to me, and it covers more than just FPS and h4rdc0r3 stuff like wow.
[18:12] <gamerchick02> they have some nice reviews of DS games.
[18:13] <gamerchick02> GGSP is for the younger set, and i watch it as well
[18:13] <gamerchick02> they cover some really nice G-PG games. and tell you which ones to avoid.
[18:21] <Blazeix> rick_h_: you just mean `ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid` ?
[18:24] <rick_h_> Blazeix: yea, nvm, it's got some boot problem, but it's not the drives
[18:24] <rick_h_> screw it, going to go with a fresh install
[18:24] <rick_h_> downloading arch install now
[18:24] <snap-l> ruh roh
[18:24] <rick_h_> along with a natty b2 as a backup I think
[18:24] <rick_h_> yea, I think this might be the straw beating on the camel
[18:25] <rick_h_> if the arch install goes through and I can at least use my system shortly...
[18:25] <rick_h_> only problem is I leave for GR in a few hours...ugh
[18:25] <gamerchick02> you have 2 computers though... i assume because you're on irc.
[18:26] <Blazeix> rick_h_: cool, just an fyi that ssh isn't installed ootb, so install openssh if you want to finish set up remotely
[18:27] <brousch> rick_h_: please do not refer to GR when you mean muskegon. that is like calling ann arbor flint
[18:28] <rick_h_> lol brousch
[18:28] <rick_h_> Blazeix: cool, good to know
[18:28] <rick_h_> yea, I've got a desktop that's running ubuntu server for build.bmark.us and such
[18:28] <rick_h_> so in terminal 3 on irc
[18:29] <rick_h_> while 4 is downloading a new iso
[18:29] <rick_h_> and 2 is doing a desktop install
[18:29] <rick_h_> but wife's laptop is downloading the iso for recovery stuff
[18:29] <brousch> ut oh. it's always trouble when you have to get the wife's computer involved in an install
[18:30] <rick_h_> lol
[18:30] <rick_h_> easier to make the boot disks I think
[18:30] <rick_h_> and browsing to find the urls to the isos
[18:31] <rick_h_> Blazeix: yea, get ready for questions I guess. I know it's going to be a learning curve, but I think it's time to jump
[18:31] <rick_h_> feel free to tell me to shove off and goole :)
[18:31] <Blazeix> rick_h_: sure. This is the best resource: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide
[18:32] <brousch> will you be changing all of your servers to match your new dev environment?
[18:32] <rick_h_> ty sir will bookmark once I get chrome/bookie back
[18:32] <Blazeix> it says "beginners", but there's a lot of arch-specific stuff
[18:32] <rick_h_> brousch: well, if it works my new desktop at work might turn into an arch install
[18:32] <rick_h_> I don't think I'll be changing wife/build server for now since I just got the thing running
[18:32] <rick_h_> we'll see, I'm not 100% arch will work for everything yet
[18:32] <rick_h_> sound I'm worried about tbh
[18:33] <rick_h_> but sound scares me in any linux
[18:33] <brousch> there's always osx and virtualbox waiting for you
[18:34] <gamerchick02> wow, you're really using all your computing power.
[18:34] <snap-l> brousch: Do you normally kick people when they're down? :)
[18:34] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, use vbox for windows stuff, but I've never had great luck mapping devices through an OS it didn't work with to a virtual machine
[18:35] <Blazeix> yeah, you'll definitely become intimately familiar with what your system is doing, since you have to set it up from scratch :)
[18:35] <Blazeix> the wiki is super useful though
[18:38] <gamerchick02> i'm not elite enough to work with Arch. i dunno. seems like a lot of work.
[18:40] <rick_h_> heh, ubuntu has gotten to be so much work for me these days
[18:40] <Blazeix> It can be a pain if you want the whole gnome ecosystem
[18:40] <Blazeix> most people just have simple window managers, though
[18:40] <Blazeix> Though i do use nautilus, because it's so damn convenient.
[18:41] <rick_h_> thunar
[18:41] <gamerchick02> i, uh, guess i don't customize my computer that much?
[18:41] <gamerchick02> i'm using a straight install of natty though.
[18:41] <brousch> snap-l: it's easier to kick them when they're down. i don't have to lift my leg so high.
[18:42] <Blazeix> rick_h_: have you used thunar's recent gvfs stuff? I'm considering moving back to it for that.
[18:42] <Blazeix> gvfs was the main reason I switched from thunar to nautilus
[18:44] <rick_h_> gvfs?
[18:44] <rick_h_> I only use the automount perl script
[18:45] <Blazeix> browsing ftp/smb by just navigating to it.
[18:45] <rick_h_> ah, nope
[18:46] <rick_h_> I don't use that
[18:48] <gamerchick02> rick_h_ is the move to arch to avoid Unity? (curious)
[18:48] <rick_h_> I've avoided unity for a couple of years now
[18:48] <rick_h_> I don't run gnome
[18:48] <gamerchick02> ah, ok.
[18:48] <rick_h_> zsh, awesomeWM, don't use gwibber, oo2, etc
[18:48] <rick_h_> so first thing I do is change all the ootb settings anyway
[18:48] <gamerchick02> oooh. so it makes sense for you to move to something else.
[18:49] <gamerchick02> what about going with something like Crunchbang?
[18:50] <rick_h_> thought about it, but it's a side thing. It's very dependant on ubuntu, etc
[18:50] <gamerchick02> it's based on Debian now.
[18:50] <rick_h_> ah, that's right, forgot they moved over
[18:50] <gamerchick02> yep.
[18:51] <gamerchick02> might be worth looking into.
[18:53] <ColonelPanic001> gamerchick02: I saw in the news recently - I'm sorry for your loss.
[18:53] <ColonelPanic001> You and the two other people that use Flock will have to switch to Firefox or Opera or something.
[18:53] <ColonelPanic001> :P
[18:54] <gamerchick02> i've long since switched to Chrome, as Flock wasn't available for ubuntu.
[18:54] <gamerchick02> it was good while it lasted.
[18:54] <gamerchick02> when they were bought by Zynga, i figured they'd be shutting down pretty soon.
[18:54] <gamerchick02> :(
[18:54] <gamerchick02> Opera? really? :-P
[18:55] <snap-l> Flock was the social media browser, right?
[18:55] <snap-l> THat seemed rather...um, what's the word... stupid?
[18:55] <gamerchick02> yes, it was, snap-l
[18:56] <gamerchick02> it's not really stupid. they had a nice integrated blog poster, and an easy way to post stuff to digg and whatnot
[18:56] <ColonelPanic001> It had some neat/interesting stuff
[18:56] <ColonelPanic001> just not something I'd use much
[18:56] <ColonelPanic001> I tried it out now and then
[18:56] <snap-l> gamerchick02: But it essentially was Firefox with a bunch of plugins for tossing content
[18:56] <gamerchick02> but, all that can be done through extensions in both chrome and firefox now
[18:56] <ColonelPanic001> yes.
[18:56]  * snap-l never checked it out
[18:56] <gamerchick02> yes, it was.
[18:57] <gamerchick02> then it was based on Chromium for awhile, and they didn't release it for anything but Windows.
[18:57] <gamerchick02> that was one of it's downfalls. i think they had the most vocal users from linux and mac platforms
[18:57] <snap-l> Well, anything by Zynga isi suspect IMHO
[18:57] <snap-l> They're about as beloved to me as Six Apart.
[18:57] <gamerchick02> oi. yeah
[18:58] <ColonelPanic001> I didn't know flock was anything but FF based
[18:58] <ColonelPanic001> interestin'
[18:58] <gamerchick02> i've blocked everything by Zynga on facebook
[18:58] <ColonelPanic001> I just disabled apps.
[18:58] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[18:58] <snap-l> I just disabled Facebook.
[18:58] <snap-l> Heh
[18:58] <snap-l> ;)
[18:58] <ColonelPanic001> I'll somehow get by without knowing which sitcom character I'm most like
[18:58] <gamerchick02> XYZ wants you to trade with them in CittyDoucheVille, will you accept?
[18:58] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[18:59] <ColonelPanic001> exactly
[18:59] <gamerchick02> NO. *smacks facebook*
[18:59] <ColonelPanic001> I forget those games exist, usually
[18:59] <gamerchick02> me too.
[18:59] <snap-l> Unless someone is planning a raid in my pants, I'm not interested.
[18:59] <gamerchick02> i've hidden most of them
[18:59] <gamerchick02> in your pants?
[18:59] <gamerchick02> *dumps ants in snap-l's pants* he he
[18:59]  * gamerchick02 runs away
[18:59] <ColonelPanic001> she hid most of them in snap-l's pants.
[18:59] <snap-l> I just remember a bunch of folks planning shiit in Mafia wars
[18:59] <snap-l> bah
[19:00] <gamerchick02> oh, i forgot about that game
[19:00] <gamerchick02> it hit myspace too.
[19:00] <gamerchick02> and twitter. i had to unfollow some people because that shit was taking over my timeline
[19:00] <ColonelPanic001> myspace hasn't died yet?
[19:00] <gamerchick02> no. it's now a music network
[19:00] <snap-l> Not for lack of trying
[19:00] <ColonelPanic001> I laugh every time I think of how much News Corp spent on that, and when.
[19:00] <ColonelPanic001> practically the next day, it nosedived more than it alreayd had been
[19:00] <tjagoda> Hahahahahahaha
[19:00] <gamerchick02> yeah.
[19:01] <tjagoda> Rupert Murdock lolz
[19:01] <ColonelPanic001> serves them f'ing right.
[19:01] <gamerchick02> they thought they were getting something good
[19:01] <ColonelPanic001> because they were f'ing stupid
[19:01] <gamerchick02> "when old media tries new media"
[19:01] <gamerchick02> i see a headline.
[19:01] <gamerchick02> :-P
[19:01] <snap-l> Well, to be fair, they could have made some $$ off of MySpace
[19:01] <ColonelPanic001> I'm still convinced myshit was written by one drunken guy on a napkin while still at the bar.
[19:01] <gamerchick02> yes, but they didn't
[19:01] <snap-l> unfortunately, it was approximately 1 year before they bought it
[19:01] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[19:01] <tjagoda> I remember myspace
[19:02] <tjagoda> back when I thought facebook was strange
[19:02] <ColonelPanic001> "oh look, a f'ing terrible site known for being terrible, already on a steady decline. Let's buy it and make some money!"
 *hic*
[19:02] <snap-l> There's still bands that have myspace pages
[19:02] <snap-l> but most of them have moved on to Facebook
[19:02] <tjagoda> Tons of bands on myspace
[19:02] <gamerchick02> yeah. i'd rather check them on bandcamp
[19:02] <tjagoda> It's clearly the internet's premier music space
[19:02] <tjagoda> duh
[19:02] <gamerchick02> at least i can actually GET their music off bandcamp
[19:02] <tjagoda> Might as well call it..
[19:02] <tjagoda> Musicspace..
[19:02] <tjagoda> =P
[19:02] <gamerchick02> how do you download off of myspace?
[19:02] <snap-l> tjagoda: Right, just like Harpo's.
[19:03] <tjagoda> Why would you want to download, when you can stream and LOOK AT THEIR PRETTY ADS?
[19:03] <snap-l> http://www.harposconcerttheatre.com/
[19:03] <gamerchick02> because i don't want a seizure?
[19:03] <gamerchick02> nice, snap-l
[19:03] <tjagoda> But
[19:04] <tjagoda> You'd never have seen this trailer for fast five which is on their homepage
[19:04] <gamerchick02> is this all metal, snap-l?
[19:04] <snap-l> Their primary focus is metal, yes.
[19:04] <tjagoda> Or that "SUkk ittt HOe" is featured on the browse page next to "Jugalette Misti"
[19:04] <snap-l> Used to be mostly hair metal bands
[19:05] <snap-l> Myspace pages are usually half-good
[19:05] <snap-l> Top half: Info about the band, some samples
[19:05] <tjagoda> I've always been stlightly terrified by the metal genre
[19:06] <snap-l> bottom half: 500 PG-13 avatars of people saying "Tanks4 teh 4DD, d00000dz"
[19:06] <tjagoda> The whole satanist-style-cool thing weirds me out a bit
[19:06] <snap-l> tjagoda: You don't liksten to the right music
[19:06] <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com
[19:06] <tjagoda> I don't really like much music either
[19:06] <tjagoda> I'm a classical sort of fellow
[19:06] <snap-l> Turn up your speakers loud when you play it. :)
[19:07] <snap-l> At least check out the instrumetalcast.
[19:07] <gamerchick02> sorry about that. not sure what happened there
[19:07] <gamerchick02> i've been listening to the metalcast a bit.
[19:07] <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com/2011/03/25/open-metalcast-instrumetalcast-2-groovy-djent/
[19:07] <gamerchick02> thanks, snap-l
[19:08] <snap-l> I'm hoping to have an interview with Cloudkicker coming up soon
[19:08] <snap-l> Really looking forward to that interview.
[19:08] <snap-l> http://cloudkicker.bandcamp.com/album/beacons
[19:08] <gamerchick02> cool
[19:09] <gamerchick02> wow. i really like bandcamp
[19:09] <tjagoda> I am not a fan of the "play it loud" genre
[19:09] <tjagoda> =(
[19:09] <gamerchick02> http://blackbirdblackbird.bandcamp.com/ this is what i've been listening to recently
[19:10] <gamerchick02> call me a hipster if you want, but i like this stuff.
[19:10] <tjagoda> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fziTZ3m-khE is as close as I get to metal
[19:10] <tjagoda> <3 the Germans
[19:11] <gamerchick02> this is kind of like industrial. interesting.
[19:12] <ColonelPanic001> at work/lazy - what is it?
[19:12] <snap-l> tjagoda: Ahh, a Nitzer Ebb fan. ;)
[19:12] <ColonelPanic001> ah
[19:12] <gamerchick02> colenelpanic001, are you talking about blackbird blackbird?
[19:12] <snap-l> tjagoda: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0HsjYtdAKM
[19:12] <ColonelPanic001> heard of them, never got around to investigating them
[19:12] <gamerchick02> blackbird blackbird is like... floaty.
[19:13] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: tjagoda's was PanzerMensch
[19:13] <tjagoda> Indeed it was
[19:13] <tjagoda> Which is superior to this Nitzer thus far
[19:13] <snap-l> Mine was Nitzer Ebb
[19:13] <tjagoda> Too much downtime
[19:14] <tjagoda> I get bored when it's all electronic for long periods with no lyric =(
[19:14] <snap-l> Then try some Front 242 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJayfIt7kWo
[19:14] <gamerchick02> i like some all electro music
[19:15] <snap-l> tjagoda: Por Vous: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeWBD7zHG8o
[19:16] <ColonelPanic001> for electronic stuff, I like Combichrist, Covenant, etc, too
[19:17] <tjagoda> None of this has so far beaten my beloved Panzermensch
[19:17] <tjagoda> I dislike the literal screaming
[19:19] <tjagoda> snap-l is on a mission though
[19:19] <jrwren> Nitzer Ebb IS industrial. I'd include them as a defining group :)
[19:19] <tjagoda> He is determined to find something.
[19:19] <tjagoda> =P
[19:19] <jrwren> oh...
 It's the internets. Not worth worrying about
[19:33] <snap-l> tjagoda: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WprVzlwP-GY
[19:34] <jrwren> haha... they look so young (and alive in dwane's case) in the smothered hope video
[19:34] <gamerchick02> someone called my name in the channel, i responded and was hoping for nice conversation. i got a little asshat claiming that i don't exist because i'm female on the internet and in irc.
[19:34] <ColonelPanic001> ages old (bad, outdated) joke
[19:34] <ColonelPanic001> not worth worrying about
[19:34] <gamerchick02> that's what i like about this room. i feel welcome in here.
[19:35] <gamerchick02> i feel welcome in linuxoutlaws too.
[19:35] <ColonelPanic001> actually, as soon as you leave, we all talk about you.
[19:35]  * ColonelPanic001 ducks
[19:35] <gamerchick02> LOL, i'm sure.
[19:35] <ColonelPanic001> "psst.. you guys... she uses FLOCK! lolz!"
[19:35] <gamerchick02> "is she really a lady?" "does she even exist?" "is she a robot?"

[19:52] <gamerchick02> http://www.google.com/
[19:52] <tjagoda> I think Rick is
[19:52] <tjagoda> =P
[19:52] <jrwren> have you seen his kids? they are super cute.
[19:52] <gamerchick02> i'm anti-jerkface.
[19:52] <greg-g> honestly, the only reason I thought it would be cool to log the channel was for automatic meeting logs on the LocoDirectory (it does this for you if you tell it when a meeting started and stopped)
[19:52] <_stink_> yeah, Big Brother
[19:52] <tjagoda> mhm
[19:52] <jrwren> lets make aborbuntu
[19:52] <tjagoda> Not fooling us with that shit
[19:52] <ColonelPanic001> if you're on IRC, it's safe to assume *someone* in the channel is logging
[19:53] <jrwren> that is very true.
[19:53] <ColonelPanic001> log all you want
[19:53] <tjagoda> Although
[19:53] <greg-g> do I need to read the scroll back and smooth anything out, here?
[19:53] <tjagoda> This is just going to make more noise for people who google for my name
[19:53] <_stink_> no.
[19:53] <tjagoda> =P
[19:53] <ColonelPanic001> greg-g: NO DON'T LOOK
[19:53] <_stink_> jrwren: is being a sillypants.
[19:53] <greg-g> :P
[19:53] <tjagoda> We may have also trolled another Distro while you weren't looking
[19:53] <jrwren> HEY!   I was thinking of putting together a CD of the Open Metalcast episodes to hand out at Penguicon
[19:57] <snap-l> but it's 2.3GB
[19:57] <ColonelPanic001> haha
[19:57] <gamerchick02> wow.
[19:57] <tjagoda> Make a blu-ray
[19:57] <tjagoda> That's open, right?
[19:57] <snap-l> I can make a DVD just the same, but damn
[19:57] <ColonelPanic001> maybe something to toss a USB drive into and copy to it?
[19:58] <tjagoda> You can call it "The Glory Hole"
[19:58] <tjagoda> =P
[19:58] <jrwren> ZOMG
[19:58] <ColonelPanic001> yes
[19:58] <tjagoda> That would be kind of amusing actually
[19:58] <gamerchick02> http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Horizons/2011/0415/Charlie-Chaplin-s-122nd-birthday-celebrated-with-special-Google-doodle
[19:58] <tjagoda> Random machine with a USB port called the glory hole
[19:58] <gamerchick02> LOL
[19:58] <tjagoda> transfering random things to your USB device
[19:58] <gamerchick02> this is the /b/ hour of the ubuntu-us-mi channel
[19:59] <ColonelPanic001> tjagoda: I'd do it
[19:59] <tjagoda> MAKE IT SO!
[19:59] <ColonelPanic001> tjagoda: it copies files off your drive, stores them, then from all the stored file sit randomly selects one, copies over, repeats until full.
[20:00] <tjagoda> "Guess you shouldn't have left your tax return on that flash drive!"
[20:00] <tjagoda> =P
[20:00] <ColonelPanic001> or worse.
[20:00] <tjagoda> "Every flash drive in this hotel is injected with the Blaster worm."
[20:01] <tjagoda> Disease like a real glory hole!
[20:02] <ColonelPanic001> tjagoda: get to it
[20:02] <ColonelPanic001> it must be done
[20:02] <tjagoda> Would be kind of cool to have something that either randomly erases the drive, or puts a neat quote or video clip
[20:02] <tjagoda> or a puzzle
[20:02] <tjagoda> a puzzle would be epic
[20:02] <ColonelPanic001> maybe at random, it just reformats the drive and leaves it empty
[20:04] <tjagoda> lulz
[20:04] <tjagoda> If I had the technical skill to create this and have it look good before penguicon I would
[20:05] <snap-l> Hmm, 30 discs replicated with paper sleeves for $100
[20:05] <tjagoda> What would be really epic
[20:06] <tjagoda> is if it grabbed random 4chan images
[20:06] <tjagoda> =P
[20:06] <Team-Xlink> LOL
[20:06] <gamerchick02> snap-l is this going to be an audio CD?
[20:06] <gamerchick02> or an MP3 CD?
[20:06] <snap-l> God no
[20:06] <snap-l> MP3 / OGG
[20:06] <gamerchick02> ah
[20:06] <snap-l> at least, it's an idle thought
[20:07] <gamerchick02> it's a neat idea, but you may want to pick your best episode and burn it so people can listen to it in their car on the way home.
[20:07] <ColonelPanic001> tjagoda: nah, I like the idea of randomly trading around their own files. Everything there was someone else's at the con
[20:08] <tjagoda> I would have to at least put a warning on it then
[20:08] <tjagoda> "Beware what you put into the glory hole, someone else might get it" or so on
[20:08] <TeamXlink> Whos going to be the unlucky one who traded with someone and recieved terrorist attack plans?
[20:08] <ColonelPanic001> tjagoda
[20:08] <tjagoda> 100% fact
[20:09] <tjagoda> It would get full of something illegal so fast
[20:09] <tjagoda> Be a warez and illegal porn hub in minutes I bet
[20:09] <TeamXlink> Good thing this isn't windows-con if it was it would be a virus spreaders dream.
[20:10] <snap-l>   Merlin Mann (22 minutes ago from web)
[20:10] <snap-l> SEO: An industry based on yelling "NEW JERSEY!"—then hoping someone mistakes you for Bruce Springsteen. For a second.
[20:10] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[20:10] <jrwren> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkCqc3NApc4
[20:11] <TeamXlink> Most Windows users get viruses because there not that smart, thats why there still running windows. Linux users are smart, they only get hacked.
[20:12] <snap-l> OK, going AFK so I can claim something useful was done today.
[20:12] <tjagoda> lulz
[20:12] <gamerchick02> lol
[20:12] <TeamXlink> Haha
[20:13]  * krondor reads the scrollback... yeah it's friday isn't it?
[20:13] <tjagoda> NO
[20:14]  * greg-g slightly read scroll back
[20:14] <greg-g> Just set up one of these, snap-l http://wiki.daviddarts.com/PirateBox
[20:14] <greg-g> actually, that'd be awesome for PC
[20:16] <tjagoda> oh wow
[20:16] <tjagoda> that would be
[20:16] <tjagoda> I need to build one
[20:19] <tjagoda> oh
[20:19] <tjagoda> it uses a dockstar
[20:19] <tjagoda> cool
[20:21] <greg-g> call it PenguinBox
[20:21] <greg-g> PenguiBox
[20:33] <snap-l> Um, does this strike anyone else as a quick way to make an otherwise $50 book into an extremely expensive book? http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/book/9780240809748
[20:34] <snap-l> greg-g: nice
[20:48] <brousch> i've gotten more accomplished in 2 hours than this consultant has in 2 weeks. i feel like rick_h_
[20:48] <brousch> wait a minute. that didn't autocomplete. omg, where's rick_h_?!
[20:49] <_stink_> the earlier topic scared him off
[21:05] <brousch> the glory hole?
[21:12] <ColonelPanic001> seatbelts
[21:17] <brousch> glory hole: run long usb cables to different rooms. people plug in a usb dongle, when someone else plugs in, 1 file is exchanged between them.
[21:17] <ColonelPanic001> also amusing
[21:17] <ColonelPanic001> good idea
[21:17] <ColonelPanic001> do it
[21:18] <brousch> pointless
[21:18] <brousch> it will be all pictures of genitalia exchanged at pcon
[21:19] <brousch> by the end everyone will have 100 copies of goatse.cx guy
[21:34] <snap-l> http://mmnml.tumblr.com/post/4638952719/mnmlst-dsk
[22:08] <greg-g> snap-l: wait a second, I can purchase the copyright page for that book for $32?
[22:08] <greg-g> and the effing index is $32?
[22:09] <snap-l> Yeah, or I could buy the kindle version for less
[22:09] <snap-l> Pretty stupid.
[22:09] <snap-l> http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?571153-Have-you-ever-bought-anything-based-on-freebies&p=13784168#post13784168
[22:09] <snap-l> greg-g: ^^
[22:09] <snap-l> It's a bulletted list of why Eclipse Phase was released as Creative Commons.
[22:10] <greg-g> huh
[22:10] <greg-g> coolio
[22:11] <snap-l> Yeah, pretty pragmatic view
[22:14] <snap-l> http://www.eclipsephase.com/posthuman-2010-year-end-review
[23:51] <fdvalero> #ubuntu