[00:16] <Draconicus> Hi.
[00:17] <knome> hullo
[00:19] <Draconicus> So... Day 1: Upgraded to 11.10. Things were great, then compiz randomly stopped loading correctly, but ONLY in Xfce... Day 2: soreau suggested I check the session options, which indeed were missing the Gnomey bit in the compatibility section. Compiz started working again.... Day 3: Compiz is broken again, myseriously. The gnome thing is still checked in the session options.
[00:19] <aicasn> i just updated some packages on my 64-bit 11.10 machine and the UI took a crap after the updates so I rebooted. now I can't get anything but graphical corruption and a frozen machine whenever i boot into ubuntu. anyone else have this problem?
[00:19] <Draconicus> aicasn: What video driver are you using?
[00:19] <aicasn> nvidia's
[00:19] <Draconicus> Also, describe "graphical corruption"
[00:20] <Draconicus> Are you by chance using a GTK 2.0 theme and trying to run GNOME-oriented applications?
[00:20] <aicasn> i see the top 10% of the screen (blue background of the login screen) and the rest is black.  does not respond to keyboard commands, mouse movements, etc.  no c-a-d, c-a-f1, or anything else
[00:21] <aicasn> Draconicus: i have no idea but at the login screen i'm not running anything but the display manager
[00:21] <aicasn> iow, the system is unusable
[00:22] <Draconicus> Weiiird
[00:22] <Draconicus> Do you have another computer? I have a suggestion that will ease this a bit - especially if it's a laptop.
[00:23] <knome> aicasn, have you tried to disable the nvidia driver?
[00:23] <aicasn> i was able to boot into recovery mode.  under a root shell the last line in my Xorg.0.log pertained to the nvidia driver. it was not an error, just chatter. nothing after the nvidia line (i'm assuming that's where the pc froze)
[00:23] <aicasn> no, i'm not sure how to do that.  certainly willing to try but i'll have to dual-boot back and forth unless i can make my xubu usable again
[00:25] <knome> aicasn, remove the nvidia driver line from /etc/X11/xorg.conf, that should exist i think...
[00:25] <aicasn> i don't think this machine used a static xorg.conf
[00:25] <Draconicus> aicasn: Press ESC rapidly while booting. Should get you a GRUB menu.
[00:25] <Draconicus> From there, select recovery mode.
[00:25] <aicasn> also everything in the recovery mode shell was read-only
[00:25] <Draconicus> Like F8 with Windows
[00:25] <Draconicus> Oh
[00:25] <Draconicus> >..>
[00:26] <Draconicus> knome: xorg.conf is usually empty after 10.10
[00:26] <knome> Draconicus, afaik, nvidia-settings will create one always
[00:27] <knome> aicasn, ^
[00:27] <aicasn> so, i suppose the questions are...  1) is read-only recovery shell normal?  2) is it safe to remount r/w?    I don't even have a touch scereen! D:
[00:28] <Draconicus> I installed gnome-tweak-tool and it installed caribou
[00:28] <Draconicus> And caribou came with a keyboard I guess. D:
[00:28] <Draconicus> antler keyboard... hrngh
[00:28] <aicasn> back in a few
[00:28] <knome> Draconicus, uninstall caribou then :P
[00:29] <GridCube> Draconicus, why do you have gnome stuff?
[00:29] <GridCube> thats silly
[00:29] <Draconicus> I like nautilus and gedit... D:
[00:29] <knome> GridCube, ... we're not here to judge people, seriously
[00:29] <GridCube> okay
[00:30] <knome> besides, they might have installed ubuntu desktop, then xubuntu packages in addition to that, not the other way around
[00:30] <GridCube> i take my words and go back to my cave, but the people come complaining abuot gnome breaking xfce and ... nvm
[00:30] <Draconicus> I've got a huge pile of mixed stuff
[00:30] <knome> transition is not always easy or quick
[00:30] <Draconicus> I use K3B
[00:30] <knome> GridCube, well yeah i agree with that.
[00:30] <Draconicus> Oh, and Rosegarden
[00:30] <Draconicus> Both QT applications.
[00:31] <knome> Draconicus, about compiz: it's not really officially supported with xfce so... :/
[00:31] <Draconicus> And seriously, some GTK applications are just 3.0 already. Gnome-tweak-tool seems to be the only thing that handles it well
[00:32] <knome> Draconicus, there should be some tutorials around, and there might be some people in the channel that know about it too but... it's on you :)
[00:32] <Draconicus> Officially supported... I'm just looking for fellow linux'ers with advice. Debian guys don't give me that line. X3
[00:33] <knome> Draconicus, i just wanted to say that so you don't expect anything. some people do expect we fix their xubuntu whatever they did for it...
[00:33] <Draconicus> I've been doing this for years, knome. Don't worry about my expectations. :P
[00:34] <knome> Draconicus, i won't. :)
[00:34] <knome> Draconicus, i'm just making sure we don't have a user in the channel snapping and going ballistic after a few days because the user expects to get everything, here, now :)
[00:35] <knome> Draconicus, and no, don't take that personally... :)
[00:37] <luroh> hm, ubuntu's move to pae kernel as default has me slightly worried
[00:38] <luroh> i would guess it doesn't align very well with the goals of xubuntu
[00:38] <GridCube> why?
[00:39] <luroh> well, since xubuntu seems to cater to owners of slightly older machines, a pae-enabled kernel doesn't suit that end of the hardware spectrum
[00:39] <knome> huh?
[00:39] <GridCube> xubuntu its not meant to be a "small" distro, if thats what you're thinking, its meant to be just awesome and xfce based
[00:40] <luroh> alright, so no love for my t41p, it seems
[00:42] <luroh> (and the homepage actually says "It works well on older hardware too.")
[00:42] <knome> luroh, for now, you can always use an older version.
[00:42] <luroh> sure
[00:43] <GridCube> yes, notice the "too", luroh, it doesnt say "its meant to"
[00:43] <knome> i don't know the details for PAE-as-default, but i'd imagine there's a possibility to install with a non-PAE kernel to
[00:43] <GridCube> knome, nope, you need to enable it to get to the bootloader
[00:43] <GridCube> at least on vboxes
[00:44] <luroh> well, if you have networking, you can do a netboot and perhaps there are other ways as well
[00:45] <knome> GridCube, hmm. i didn't have PAE enabled and i was able to install 12.04.
[00:45] <GridCube> oh
[00:45] <GridCube> well
[00:45] <GridCube> on alternate i could not
[00:45] <GridCube> well, my memory might be failing on me
[00:46] <luroh> hm, no, that should fail actually
[00:51] <aicasn> i managed to get myself into a live cd session. the irc client isn't too user-friendly but i can access the linux partitions from here
[00:52] <aicasn> so....  there was an xorg.conf as knome said there would be.  i renamed it so that we'd be back to the stock no-xorg.conf situation
[00:53] <aicasn> did absolutely no good, unfortunately. i rebooted and still got the same results
[00:53] <aicasn> i've already fsck'd my partitions. they came out fine
[00:54] <aicasn> can you guys see what i'm typing?  is this irc client being stupid?
[00:56] <aicasn> can you hear me now?
[00:56]  * aicasn taps the mic
[01:01] <knome> need to go to bed, see you
[02:01] <ToZ>  /msg NickServ identify heynow
[02:06] <bazhang> ToZ, time to change passwords
[02:10] <ToZ> already done.
[06:33] <Os_Maleus> good morning all!
[06:34] <Os_Maleus> does somebody have a Nexus (not "one", not "s" but simply nexus) and running his/her PC under xfce? and if, how is it possible to mount it manually over USB as a mass storage with a fast data-transfer rate?
[06:37] <pleia2> Os_Maleus: hm, I didn't think there was a "nexus" (not the galaxy nexus?)
[06:38] <pleia2> I know the galaxy nexus has problems because it's not using plain usb storage anymore like the One and the S did
[06:38] <Os_Maleus> pleia2: Google Galaxy Nexus. ... the i9250.
[06:38] <pleia2> have to use MPT for that, I hear it's kind of a pain
[06:39] <Os_Maleus> it is.
[06:39] <pleia2> but no, there isn't a way to mount it the old fashioned way :(
[06:39] <Os_Maleus> I would like to root it but I didn't manage until now.
[06:39] <Os_Maleus> :-( that is pretty awful.
[06:40] <pleia2> I agree, I was annoyed when I heard (sticking with my Nexus S!)
[06:41] <Os_Maleus> I managed to mount it as a camera. and having (properly fast) access to the data section. ... but I (actually still as a newbe regarding Linux) was thinking that this can't be the final solution.
[06:41] <omnom> Shouldnt it be able to do with ifuse?
[06:43] <Os_Maleus> omnom: it can. but then the connection is slow like the data-transfer over IR 10 years ago!
[06:43] <pleia2> ifuse is worse than just MPT
[06:45] <omnom> never had an android so I cant really say
[06:45] <Os_Maleus> pleia2: hmmm. what exactly do You mean by "just MTP", if I may ask? .... You are putting the setting on the phone onto MTP and ... then?
[06:46] <omnom> I mainly just transfer my files over wifi
[06:47] <pleia2> Os_Maleus: I haven't used it (my fiance has the galaxy, but he uses a Mac), but there are some loaders in linux that can read data from the phone once it's put into MPT mode
[06:47] <Os_Maleus> omnom: hmmmm. I wouldn't like to transfer my private keys (for encryption and so on) over the wifi.
[06:48] <omnom> can't u setup a private temporary network from the phone?
[06:48] <Os_Maleus> pleia2: I see.
[06:48] <omnom> that would be more or less safe
[06:48] <omnom> the range aint that far
[06:49] <pleia2> Os_Maleus: there are a few sites that give tips if you use this google search: galaxy nexus ubuntu
[06:49] <omnom> how old is the nexus?
[06:49] <omnom> 3yrs?
[06:50] <pleia2> the nexus one is 2.5, S is 1.5, Galaxy is only about 6 months
[06:50] <pleia2> give or take
[06:50] <omnom> k
[06:51] <omnom> getting new phone tomorrow
[06:51] <Os_Maleus> pleia2: I was searching over weeks about that. ... friends helped me to get the mounting done with "gvfs-mount" during the last week.
[06:51] <omnom> :D
[06:51] <pleia2> Os_Maleus: *nod*
[06:52] <Os_Maleus> omnom: yes, this phone is one of the newest from google
[06:52] <omnom> got to choose between galaxy S2 or iPhone 4S
[06:52] <omnom> picked the iPhone 4S :/
[06:54] <Os_Maleus> :-)
[06:54] <omnom> but the galaxy doesnt feel like the same kind of quality
[06:54] <omnom> so fuck it
[06:54] <pleia2> please watch your language here
[06:55] <pleia2> the galaxy nexus is a very nice phone (not like the other galaxy branded androids, which I don't love)
[06:56] <omnom> Aren't they all mainly plastic?
[06:57] <pleia2> the nexus one was metal, but the rest are plastic, but nice plastic :)
[06:58] <omnom> :)
[07:00] <pleia2> after midnight, pumpkin time so off to bed, good luck Os_Maleus!
[07:01] <Os_Maleus> good night pleia2!
[07:02] <Os_Maleus> omnom: I was selling digital cameras, years ago. they told us, the product would be aluminium. that was a lie.
[07:03] <Os_Maleus> plastics can be delivered in that many kind that one can believe it would be really metal. but in fact it remains: plastic.
[07:04] <Os_Maleus> omnom: so: have You opened that piece once and scrached it deeply? have You convinced Yourself that there is not just a bit lead inside somewhere? :-D
[07:10] <omnom> well lead is a metal Os_Maleus :P
[07:14] <Os_Maleus> omnom: sure! taken by word, You won in this case. :-D
[07:47] <BlakJak> Dumb question... if I am running an x86_64 ubuntu image at the moment, and I want to move to xubuntu, am I stuck with i386 or should I be able to run the amd64 image on my Intel i5 based machine?
[07:50] <BlakJak> Ugh... seems my download is corrupt.. md5sums dont match.. perhaps that's my problem.
[07:55] <forestpiskie> you'll have to get it again then - try using a torrent for it
[07:59] <Aucun> When I use the "install inside windows" option from wubi, does that allow me to use linux without rebooting from windows?
[08:00] <TheSheep> Aucun: of course not
[08:00] <TheSheep> Aucun: for that you would need to use a virtual machines
[08:00] <TheSheep> Aucun: like vmware
[08:01] <Aucun> vmware would allow me to have windows and linux running at the same time?
[08:02] <BlakJak> a Virtual Machine is a computer running inside another computer
[08:02] <BlakJak> so your 'guest' and your 'host' can be different OSs
[08:02] <BlakJak> or you can run multiple guests of various OSs
[08:03] <Aucun> This is going off the channel topic but I'm looking for a way to basically "alt tab" from windows to linux and back again.
[08:04] <BlakJak> virtualisation is the way to go.
[08:04] <BlakJak> vmware is one option
[08:04] <BlakJak> virtualbox is another
[08:04] <BlakJak> i use the latter personally
[08:05] <Aucun> Thank you, I'll look at those two.
[08:07] <TheSheep> Aucun: another way is to have two computers, one running linux the other windows, and connect them together with Synergy
[08:07] <BlakJak> download has 50 mins to run... battery reports 55mins left.... hmmm
[12:56] <diarmuid> Hello?
[12:57] <diarmuid> Is there anyone here?
[12:59] <Marzata> yes,
[13:00] <diarmuid> How do I get the little launcher onto the bottom of xbuntu??
[13:00] <diarmuid> Nearly like a mac you could say
[13:00] <Marzata> add launcher?
[13:00] <Marzata> but before add panel
[13:01] <diarmuid> Okay so how would I go about that then?
[13:02] <alphalupi> Are you asking how to get, for instance, a program icon on the bottom launcher?
[13:04] <diarmuid> Okay let me explain, I just installed xbuntu on my system. I seen some screenshots with xbuntu having like a little toolbar at the button of the desktop with little icons for the the users favourite programs like firefox etc
[13:05] <diarmuid> I kind of looks like a mac desktop if you get me??
[13:05] <alphalupi> OK, I think it goes like this: left click on the panel with the Applications Menu and click on Panel -> Panel Preferences
[13:05] <alphalupi> A window will pop up with the title "Panel"
[13:06] <alphalupi> Under the header, there will be a drop down box, probably labeled with "Panel 1"
[13:06] <alphalupi> Next to that there is a plus button. Click it and a new panel will appear.
[13:08] <alphalupi> You can modify the new panel with the Panel Preferences window.
[13:08] <diarmuid> I can see there is two panels Panel1 and Panel2, Panel1 is at the top and Panel2 is the little launcher bar that I was looking in the first place, do i just uncheck automatically show and hide panel?
[13:09] <alphalupi> It looks like you can just open Panel Preferences and uncheck the checkbox saying "Automatically show and hide the panel".
[13:09] <alphalupi> Note that I am using Xubuntu and not pure Xfce, so it may be slightly different.
[13:10] <diarmuid> yes thats what I did, yeah I understand but you still brought me to my question cheers.
[13:11] <alphalupi> Which panel did you click on to get the preferences dialog? You have to make sure the dropdown box has the right panel selected. The launcher panel is Panel 2.
[13:11] <diarmuid> If only I could figure out how to add new items
[13:11] <diarmuid> yeah I selected panel2 its working now
[13:12] <alphalupi> You just left click on the launcher panel, go to Panel -> Add new items.
[13:12] <diarmuid> Yeah I got it aswell, if I would only mess around with things a little longer I could of figured it out thanks for the help. :)
[13:13] <alphalupi> There's a whole list of options to add to the panel, including a launcher that you can use to add new applications do the dock.
[13:13] <alphalupi> My pleasure.
[13:14] <Marzata> and my
[13:14] <diarmuid> Now trying to center the thing with separators is a pain in the butt.
[13:14] <alphalupi> Does anyone know if setting up a Samba server on pure Xubuntu is as easy as setting one up on stock Ubuntu?
[13:15] <Marzata> diarmuid: default Ubuntu 11.10 comes with such a panel.
[13:16] <diarmuid> Ubuntu would not run smooth on my system very old...
[13:16] <alphalupi> Just in case you're having trouble with that, you can move items around by left clicking on them and clicking Move. Then you can put the item anywhere on the dock.
[13:17] <alphalupi> Including spacers
[13:18] <diarmuid> Yeah, but i'm trying to center them don't have a clue how to but.
[13:18] <Marzata> diarmuid: default XUbuntu 11.10 comes with such a panel.
[13:18] <Marzata> sorry
[13:19] <diarmuid> Yeah I know I am using the default panel that comes with XUbuntu just need a little help configuring it.
[13:19] <alphalupi> It seems to me that Xfce centers the whole dock. By adding an item, the entire dock expands, with no option to center individual items.
[13:21] <alphalupi> You can add a new line to the panel by left clicking on the separator, going to Properties, and using the drop down box to select New Line.
[13:25] <diarmuid> Got it centered, all I had to do was uncheck "Lock Panel" and move the thing into the center such a beginner :D
[13:25] <alphalupi> Glad you found it.
[13:25] <diarmuid> Thanks for the help guys appreciate it.
[13:27] <alphalupi> Is anybody else in here? I also have a question.
[13:30] <diarmuid> Anyone know if there is a way to stream videos/movies from a system running XUbuntu to an Xbox 360?
[13:40] <alphalupi> How do you configure a samba share on pure xubuntu?
[13:40] <alphalupi> Is it the same as on stock Ubuntu?
[13:58] <diarmuid> Have you tried the ubuntuforums.org alphalupi?
[13:59] <alphalupi> I'm looking right now but I don't really see anything applicable.
[14:03] <diarmuid> Then make a new thread the community there will help you with anything and just about an ubuntu distro they support lubuntu and xubuntu also.
[14:04] <alphalupi> I'll do that. Thanks.
[14:52] <craigbass1976> what's the best way to view a remote desktop in xfce?  I've got tightvncserver running, but it's exporting display :1.  I want :0
[14:54] <skrite> you can set which display it exports via options, i think.
[14:54] <holstein> craigbass1976: i just use vino and vinagre usually, but i like remmina
[14:54] <skrite> you want xfce to be the desktop you view or serve?
[14:54] <craigbass1976> holstein, I thought vino was a gnome specific rig.  No?
[14:54] <holstein> craigbass1976: i use it in XFCE
[14:55] <craigbass1976> skrite, serve.  I'm on a fedora laptop trying to view
[14:55] <craigbass1976> It would have been quicker at this point to just drive up there...  Now I want to make it work just on general principle.
[14:58] <craigbass1976> sudo tightvncserver :0   Warning: counter-right:0 is taken because of /tmp/.X0-lock   Remove this file if there is no X server counter-right:0   A VNC server is already running as :0
[15:20] <stephanb> hi, i got xubuntu 11.10 installed, is there a way to install unity as a second DE, without reinstalling? like is there a metapackage for the unity-desktop
[15:26] <TheSheep> ubuntu-desktop
[15:26] <stephanb> TheSheep: thanks
[15:27] <TheSheep> that will also install all the ubuntu default programs though
[15:29] <Marzata> and it will be a mess :D
[15:32] <stephanb> Marzata: why?
[15:35] <forestpiskie> you'll have lots of apps doing the same thing
[15:35] <forestpiskie> the xubuntu ones and the ubuntu ones
[15:39] <stephanb> that wont be a problem
[15:41] <Rourick> just wanna say new user from win7 and i love my xubuntu :)
[16:04] <grifo74> hello i'm a ubuntu user but in last year after i install ubuntu i install xfce and allways use xfce it's better i use xubuntu or install xfce in ubuntu
[16:04] <grifo74> ?
[16:13] <Marzata> grifo74: clean install recommended.
[16:14] <grifo74> thanks
[16:15] <grifo74> all software work in ubuntu work fine in xubuntu to
[16:16] <forestpiskie> I've nor found anything that doesn't
[16:21] <grifo74> it is easy update xubuntu 11.10 to 12.04 without format my pc
[16:22] <Marzata> grifo74: not easier than that.
[16:34] <mogitaff> Hello, how can I regenerate Kernel modules for virtualbox on ubuntu 12.04 without /etc/init.d/vboxdrv (this script is missing :( ) please ?
[16:50] <popsch> how can I access aspell's dictionary wordlist from a shell script? the dictionary in /usr/var/aspell is stored in binary format
[16:52] <popsch> aspell dump master
[18:29] <grifo74> how i share a folder
[18:44] <recon_lap> grifo74: this probably worth a read https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-classic/internet/C/networking-shares.html
[19:47] <monser> hello all
[19:47] <monser> how to delete all locales set on the machine?
[21:32] <omido> hi
[21:33] <GridCube> hi
[21:34] <omido> GridCube: how can i find if my laptop is certified to work with xubuntu or other distros? i only know this about ubuntu from this page : http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201011-6830
[21:36] <GridCube> if it works well with ubuntu, it should work faster with xubuntu. in the  core they are the same
[21:36] <omido> I have visual bugs on ubuntu 11.10
[21:36] <omido> Everything is ok on ubuntu 10.10 and 11.04
[21:37] <GridCube> xubuntu uses the same drivers
[21:37] <GridCube> tho it doesnt use the same composition software
[21:37] <GridCube> it uses its own
[21:37] <GridCube> so you might not experience the same problems
[21:38] <GridCube> however don't go expecting xubuntu to behave exactly like old gnome2 did, xubuntu uses xfce so it will be different
[21:38] <GridCube> it will be awesomely different however
[21:40] <omido> Right now i'm using openSUSE 11.4 x86_64 with KDE. I'm planning to install XFCE desktop and test it.i also have downloaded xubuntu 11.10 x86_64 and tested it using live cd but i cannot install it on virtualbox and i dont know why.it complains about 64bit mode.anyway thankyou for the information
[21:42] <GridCube> noproblem
[21:42] <BlakJak> omido: Within Virtualbox I had to use the 32bit edition
[21:42] <BlakJak> (i386)
[21:42] <omido> BlakJak: I wonder why because the host OS is 64bit.
[21:42] <BlakJak> but that could've been due to my corrupt 64bit image file (discovered much later)
[21:42] <BlakJak> omido: md5sum check on your iso pass ok?
[21:42] <omido> I have the issue with other 64bit OS too.not only xubuntu.
[21:43] <GridCube> omido, you should ask at #vbox
[21:43] <BlakJak> If you have the problems with other guest OS's under Virtualbox I suggest you need to go to #vbox
[21:44] <omido> Thankyou guys.
[21:45]  * BlakJak waits impatiently for xubuntu 12.04b1 to finish running post-install updates
[21:46] <BlakJak> anyone aware of any major instabilities in 12.04b1 that'd suggest I shouldnt start using it for my work/production desktop?
[21:46] <knome> BlakJak, well, it's beta. there might always be surprises
[21:46] <BlakJak> yeah, aside from the obvious 'it's a beta'
[21:47] <knome> there shouldn't be much problems.
[21:47] <BlakJak> currently running ubuntu 10.10 dual-booted... looking to skip Unity
[21:47] <BlakJak> ... going to drag all my personal stuff across from Ubuntu today all going well
[21:48] <omido> I once tested fedora 15 beta and started to use it for production and after few days i had fun.....
[21:48] <BlakJak> Mmmmm I couldn't see the point in fussing with 11.10, esp as I wish to use the LTS...
[21:49] <BlakJak> ooh. updates finished. reboot...
[21:56] <BlakJak> Ok... it appears dual-screen configuration isn't so hot
[21:58] <nishttal2> hi guys... i am trying to setup compiz on xubuntu 11.10.. when i try the compiz --replace command i get the following errors... http://www.fpaste.org/h31w/
[22:03] <TheSheep> !compiz | nishttal2
[22:04] <nishttal2> TheSheep, ok will review that
[22:05] <TheSheep> nishttal2: just go ask in #compiz :)
[22:05] <nishttal2> TheSheep, i did no response
[22:06] <TheSheep> looks like it's missing some themes, did you try to google that?
[22:35] <BlakJak> Xubuntu and Dual-screen, in case it helps anyone... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11762852#post11762852
[22:39] <Starn> can i copy my xubuntu partition to another hard drive? the one it's on is dying..
[22:39] <BlakJak> dd if=/dev/sourcepartition of=/dev/destpartition
[22:40] <BlakJak> where sourcepartition is likely to be something like 'sda1' and destpartition is likely to be something like 'sdb1'
[22:40] <BlakJak> sda1 is the first partition of the first sata disk.. sdb1 is the first partition of the second sata disk
[22:40] <BlakJak> actual values depend on your hardware
[22:41] <BlakJak> you may want to consider something like ddrescue if you're pulling from a dying hdd tho
[22:42]  * BlakJak bbl
[22:43] <Starn> like can gparted clone the partition and put it onto another hard drive and still be bootable?
[22:49] <Starn> omido, your processor must support virtualization to do it with 64bit.. at least that was my case.. now i can test 64bit os's freely.
[22:51] <Starn> i forgot what it was called but for it for work for me omido i had to load up into my bios and enable a function.
[22:54] <Starn> i guess i need to boot into one of my other linux installs and hope it can save the one installed on my hard drive and hope it doesn't die while trying to save the data...


[07:54] <RAOF> 🎉
[07:54] <RAOF> Finally!
[08:00] <RAOF> Today:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/5f9e02842bc33c237d7e03aaf1d59f3560cbe9d2>)
[08:30] <RAOF> Also tomorrow: review Alan's drag'n'drop branch!
[22:07] <mattkae[m]> My update 🌳
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[12:42] <ahasenack> I have a systemd service unit that starts a process, oneshot (not a daemon). It's python, so it's called like "ExecStart=/usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/foo/bar.py". How would I apparmor it? Perhaps use systemd's AppArmorProfile= setting? Otherwise, since it's not executing the python script directly, but via /usr/bin/python3 in the cmdline, what would the apparmor profile be called?
[12:43] <ahasenack> thinking about the autoattach feature on exec (if that's what it's called)
[12:43] <ahasenack> it can't be /usr/bin/python3, as that would confine all python apps, and it calso can't be just /usr/lib/foo/bar.py, as that's not the executable being called (it doesn't even have the +x bit)
[12:44] <ahasenack> or can it be just /usr/lib/foo/bar.py?
[12:59] <georgiag> ahasenack: you could use the not-path-based option "profile bar {}". make sure the profile is loaded, and in the systemd file reference it as "AppArmorProfile=bar"
[13:00] <ahasenack> right, it's what I'm testing now
[13:00] <ahasenack> but it won't attach the profile if someone calls it manually via python3 /usr/lib/foo/bar.py
[13:00] <ahasenack> right?
[13:00] <georgiag> correct, unfortunately
[13:00] <ahasenack> ok
[13:45] <appxprt> How is this not patched by latest updates? https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2023-32629 >
[13:45] -ubottu:#ubuntu-security- Local privilege escalation vulnerability in Ubuntu Kernels overlayfs ovl_copy_up_meta_inode_data skip permission checks when calling ovl_do_setxattr on Ubuntu kernels <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-32629>
[13:45] <appxprt> ?
[13:47] <appxprt> this simple shell script can lpe to root with full updates/pgrades: https://github.com/OllaPapito/gameoverlay
[13:48] <appxprt> is this patched in some other Ubuntu repo?
[13:48] <mdeslaur> appxprt: what release and which kernel are you running?
[13:48] <mdeslaur> appxprt: did you reboot after updating the kernel?
[13:49] <appxprt> oh wow, I thought I was on 23.04, but it's apparently 22.04.3 LTS 6.2.0-34-generic #34~22.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC
[13:49] <appxprt> rebooting real quick and will recheck
[13:49] <appxprt> brb
[13:53] <appxprt> still works, checking for further updates after reboot
[13:54] <appxprt> nothing
[13:54] <appxprt> still vulnerable
[13:54] <mdeslaur> let me check
[13:55] <appxprt> what is latest kernel for 23.04.3 and I thought there was .4 out?
[13:55] <appxprt> errr 22.04.3 LTS
[13:55] <appxprt> I thought there was 22.04.4 or 6 or something by now
[13:56] <appxprt> pretty sure I'm compromised
[13:57] <mdeslaur> doesn't work for me...while I appear to become root, I'm not, I'm just in a namespace
[13:57] <mdeslaur> try "cat /etc/shadow"
[13:58] <appxprt> ahhhh yea Permission denied, the id threw me off uid=0
[13:58] <appxprt> ok thanks, you rock
[13:58] <mdeslaur> cool, np!
[14:29] <teward> has the security team triaged/processed CVE-2023-44487 yet?  If not, mark nginx affected because as of the disclosure today/yesterday I'm seeing that nginx and *all* known HTTP/2 implementations are affected.  Except maybe CloudFlare's because they have done some stupid stuff behind the scenes
[14:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu-security- The HTTP/2 protocol allows a denial of service (server resource consumption) because request cancellation can reset many streams quickly, as exploited in the wild in August through October 2023. <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-44487>
[14:31] <teward> some information links to add to the tracker - https://www.nginx.com/blog/http-2-rapid-reset-attack-impacting-f5-nginx-products/ - https://blog.cloudflare.com/zero-day-rapid-reset-http2-record-breaking-ddos-attack/ - https://blog.cloudflare.com/technical-breakdown-http2-rapid-reset-ddos-attack/ (the Cloudflare blog posts give a nice overview of the scope of how hard it was being exploited yesterday and a deep technical deep-dive)
[14:31] <teward> (and the nginx one is for the reference that nginx is affected
[14:31] <teward> eslerm: or mdeslaur if you're bored: ^
[14:31] <teward> (since nginx is in main)
[14:32] <teward> s/stupid stuff/undisclosed tweaks/
[14:35] <teward> also https://my.f5.com/manage/s/article/K000137106 to the tracker (security advisory from F5 who owns nginx now)
[15:17] <teward> also, can you update https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2017-6519 for upstream to indicate Upstream fixed this with Avahi version 0.8?  (see https://github.com/lathiat/avahi/releases/tag/v0.8) So that the one or two users confused by things on Ask Ubuntu can have a better understanding of things.
[15:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-security- avahi-daemon in Avahi through 0.6.32 and 0.7 inadvertently responds to IPv6 unicast queries with source addresses that are not on-link, which allows remote attackers to cause a denial of service (traffic amplification) and may cause information leakage by obtaining potentially sensitive information from the responding device via port-5353 UDP packets. NOTE: this may... <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2017-6519>
[16:20] <Habbie> hello! I see ubuntu doesn't have entries for https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2023-44487 yet
[16:20] -ubottu:#ubuntu-security- The HTTP/2 protocol allows a denial of service (server resource consumption) because request cancellation can reset many streams quickly, as exploited in the wild in August through October 2023. <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-44487>
[16:20] <Habbie> is that coming?
[16:20] <Habbie> if so, please know that the debian list is missing libh2o
[16:20] <Habbie> (i have also let them know)
[16:32] <teward> Habbie: i already poked them the tracker has a triage list
[16:32] <teward> and i noted some things for them during their triage process
[16:32] <Habbie> great, thanks
[16:32] <Habbie> is this triage list visible somewhere? just curious
[16:34] <teward> don't think so, and it has to be looked at / triaged in the system before they can poke it into the list, it's also automated so it might not have picked it up yet since that was only published *today* and not yet in the autosync list
[16:35] <Habbie> ack :)
[17:13] <ahasenack> hi security, is there something like aa-logprof to help with restricting systemd service units, and help decide which security isolation features to apply to a unit? From the list that `systemd-analyze security <unit>` gives
[17:13] <ahasenack> stuff like CapabilityBoundingSet, SystemCallFilter, etc
[17:13] <ahasenack> or should someone just go one by one, with knowledge of that the app should be able to do, and experiment?
[17:18] <sbeattie> ahasenack: hrm, good question. I'm not aware of one, but I haven't looked for one, either.
[17:18] <ahasenack> ok, I'm doing the usual (googling) :)
[17:19] <ahasenack> and using common sense
[17:39] <mdeslaur> teward: Habbie: I've added the CVE to our tracker now, thanks
[17:40] <Habbie> some caching going on it appears
[17:41] <mdeslaur> takes a while to get published to the interwebz
[17:41] <Habbie> ack
[17:41] <Habbie> i'll wait :)
[17:41] <Habbie> thanks
[17:42] <teward> mdeslaur: ack, thanks for poking it, i know it's one of those odd "Huh it's not here or we have to look at it" cases but it's a major 0-day that hit yesterday so
[17:48] <mdeslaur> teward: "We do not consider nginx to be affected by this issue." - https://mailman.nginx.org/pipermail/nginx-devel/2023-October/S36Q5HBXR7CAIMPLLPRSSSYR4PCMWILK.html
[17:49] <teward> mdeslaur: is that dated today or prior to the F5 notice?
[17:49] <teward> becuase the F5 notice says "not fixed" but mentions that exact workaround
[17:49] <mdeslaur> click on it?
[17:49] <teward> and i do say *workaround* because the proposed patch for secondary limits wasn't in the commit list yet
[17:50] <teward> mdeslaur: "Nevertheless, we've decided to implemented some additional mitigations which will help nginx to detect such attacks and drop connections with misbehaving clients faster.  Hence the patch."
[17:50] <teward> mdeslaur: those mitigations are in the dev tree but not a release yet
[17:51] <teward> so i take Maxim's claim as a grain of salt because "while some mitigations exist, additional mitigations are on the way"
[17:51] <mdeslaur> right, not affected, but the patch still improves things
[17:51] <teward> mdeslaur: if i'm dissecting the technical details on this though
[17:52] <teward> Prior to version 1.19.10, the default value was 100.  <-- for keepalive requests this alone wasn't actually *ENOUGH* to protect the infrastructure (CF uses a modified NGINX)
[17:52] <teward> and is why this is a 0-day notice
[17:53] <teward> i'll have to reread the CF dissection but it was my understanding that this wasn't enough
[17:53] <mdeslaur> the default of 100 is better than the current default of 1000
[17:53] <mdeslaur> it's not enough if someone uses a bigger value than 1000
[17:54] <mdeslaur> "However, if NGINX is configured with a keepalive that is substantially higher than the default and recommended setting, the attack may deplete system resources."
[17:58] <teward> mdeslaur: agreed, but I would argue that in the strictest interpretation of CVEs, "mitigations exist in default configurations" is not enough to say "we are not affected"
[17:58] <teward> (and i just emailed the nginx-devel list with this question/statement)
[17:59] <mdeslaur> teward: I'll let the developers know you disagree with their statements :)
[17:59] <teward> i already did ;)
[17:59] <teward> (nginx-devel is a public list xD)
[17:59] <mdeslaur> we will release an update with the improved patch, but it's not a world-burning issue atm
[17:59] <teward> yep, just wanted ito make sure the CVE was on the radar though
[17:59] <teward> and whatever other HTTP/2 implementations are in Universe, etc. are almost definitely affected (unless Apache wrote in protections intentionally)
[18:22] <mdeslaur> ack, thanks
[18:52] <Habbie> mdeslaur, https://github.com/nghttp2/nghttp2/pull/1961
[18:52] -ubottu:#ubuntu-security- Pull 1961 in nghttp2/nghttp2 "Rework session management" [Merged]
[18:53] <mdeslaur> Habbie: yeah, I just added it, thanks
[18:53] <Habbie> yw :)
[19:00] <Habbie> good news, i have a patch for h2o. bad news, ABI.
[21:26] <Habbie> mdeslaur, nghttp2 isn't showing up for me yet
[22:05] <mdeslaur> Habbie: hrm, it does for me https://ubuntu.com/security/cves?q=CVE-2023-44487
[22:05] -ubottu:#ubuntu-security- The HTTP/2 protocol allows a denial of service (server resource consumption) because request cancellation can reset many streams quickly, as exploited in the wild in August through October 2023.
[22:06] <Habbie> it is now for me too
[22:06] <Habbie> more caching than i expected there :)
[22:07] <mdeslaur> yeah, it's complicated, a script pulls from our CVE tracker git tree, then gets consumed by a cluster of hamsters running around in wheels. Sometimes the hamsters go on strike.
[22:07] <Habbie> right


[04:42] <memeka> hi, my system hangs on reboot (but not on shutdown) and i need to plug off/plug back the power to make it respond - what's the best way to debug the kernel - find out exactly where the reboot code is?
[07:52] <apw> teward, yep thermald is one of ours ...
[07:53] <apw> memeka (N,BFTL), there are a number of ways to skin the reboot cat, and normally you would try them all to see which works and add a quirk to select that one
[15:16] <teward> apw: still around?  (sorry i wasn't around at 03:52 local)
[15:17] <teward> apw: or kernel team, before I poke hggdh or the quality list admins to silence something that should probably be squished, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-quality/2016-July/006585.html may be of interest, regarding why something was fix released for wily but didn't fix things (and possibly didn't fix for Trusty)
[15:18] <teward> wrt bug #1543046
[15:19] <apw> cking, ^ this is a thermald thing that is marked fixed but seemingly not so
[15:19] <teward> apw: no confirmation of still existing for Trusty
[15:19] <teward> and i need guidance for the Wily side
[15:19] <teward> i.e. "Would it be fixed before EOL and would it do any good to change the bug status for wily"
[15:19] <teward> asking as bugcontrol not QA :P
[15:20] <teward> s/bugcontrol/bug triage/
[15:20] <cking> apw, ok, I'll look at it on monday, although I'm surprised by this :-/
[15:22] <teward> cking: without taking a look at it, can you give me a best guess as to whether this close to Wily EOL we actually care about getting this fixed before it EOLs?
[15:22] <teward> I can understand it needs poked for Trusty if it still exists, I don't see justification for Wily which dies off in 20 days
[15:22] <teward> (as a bug triager, not a kernel guy)
[15:22] <rtg> cking, plus we're aren't gonna updatethe kernel anymore
[15:23] <cking> teward, well, I know the code well, so it's trivial for me to eyeball and I can turn it around on monday quite easily as long as nothing higher priority hits me over the weekend
[15:23] <teward> ack
[15:23] <cking> when is wily EOL now?
[15:23] <teward> 28th
[15:23] <teward> message went out from infinity yesterday
[15:23] <teward> over the announce lists
[15:24] <cking> ok, I'll see what I can to monday, I was pretty sure I tested this on my x220, but oh well, I screwed it up I guess
[15:24] <teward> cking: i'll reply saying it's in the Kernel Team's hands now, and to stop the bickering on the QA list
[15:24] <teward> is there a kernel ML you want me to CC on with that reply?
[15:25] <cking> teward, I'd prefer for me to just update the bug report
[15:25] <teward> ack
[15:25] <teward> cking: i'll leave it be and say it's back in the Kernel team's hands, and to leave it be until such time one of the team's members reply to the bug.
[15:25] <teward> it's still needing an anti-drama squish.
[15:25] <teward> (on the quality ml)
[15:27] <cking> it's not going to kill anyone, it's been like tyhat for a while without much drama
[15:27] <teward> indeed.  there's drama between two people on the ML
[15:27] <cking> they need more beer
[15:27] <teward> and *that* needs squished (it's no longer just a report of 'marked fixed but not fixed')
[15:27] <rtg> they need to upgrade to xenial
[15:27] <cking> +1 rtg
[15:32] <teward> rtg: that's what i said in my reply to the thread heh
[15:32] <teward> but, alas, end users will be end users, so... ::
[15:32] <teward> :P *
[15:47] <hggdh> teward: OTOH, php4fan has just earned moderation on the ML.
[15:47] <teward> hggdh: oh joy
[15:47] <hggdh> I still think php4fan and Teo Teo to be one and the same
[15:47] <teward> hggdh: this wouldn't be the same guy from before would it?  (I recently pruned all my mailing list messages from my main inbox, CBA to pull up the archive)
[15:48] <teward> ahh that's the one I was thinking about
[15:48] <teward> hggdh: funny story, I was going to ping you on it privately, too, and ask for some higher power to be called forth, but lunch was calling first :P
[15:48] <teward> thanks for the FYI
[15:49] <hggdh> yw. Pity, though. This person uses Wily for his "production", and still does not understand the difference between LTS and interim
[15:50] <teward> hggdh: hey, that's 50% of the Ask Ubuntu people, it's why I started posting the EOL notices.
[15:50] <teward> so people aren't all "WHY THE [censored] DID MY POST GET CLOSED WHAT IS EOL WHAT IS THIS ..."
[15:50] <teward> *rolls eyes*
[15:51] <hggdh> good idea.
[16:08] <cking> teward, I've prepared a fix, I'll get the user to test it from a PPA and upload it once they verify it works
[16:09] <teward> cking: ack
[18:59] <memguy> curious does anybody know what db000000-db7fffff : RAM buffer i have tried to read from it and i cann't do that i just curious on what it is used for some kind of buffer cache or something but don't understand it (how it is used,why , and what is using it)
[19:03] <mjg59> memguy: If a region of RAM doesn't end on a 64MB boundary and there's nothing else allocated there, the kernel reserves the space to reduce the probability that there's actual RAM there being used by the firmware
[19:03] <mjg59> Otherwise you might map an mmio device on top of it
[19:06] <memguy> wait so what happens if the region ends on 64MB boundry
[19:06] <memguy> i guess i don't see the point of it and why they named if ram buffer
[20:24] <memguy> curious is there a cpu feature or flag that has something to do with cpu temperature because i have seen /dev/temperature or other devices and read into it a little bit. Can processors detect there temperature there running at like they can with voltage and frequency settings thru power management
[20:26] <memguy> i am curious if there is a /proc/cpuinfo flag name for this which would control the setting range of what the cpu  temperature range it will run at before halting to resume that range . would be a cool feature to beable to turn off and on
[20:27] <memguy> in conjunction with p-state and t-state and c-state
[20:39] <memguy> I guess alot of this can be obtained from ACPI but was curious on if there is a flag and dedicated cpu feature for all this processor temperature,freq, cpu voltage/current
[20:39] <memguy> spped


 @tesla786 [Hey guys, I want to buy an Ubuntu mobile phone. Any recommendations please ?], Good canidate are Sony Xperia X ( 32 and 64 bit ported by Alfred) and Volla Phone. … https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 @Pablo [?], https://t.me/UBPorts_ES
 Muchas gracias.
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[07:36] <ubptgbot> francois georges was added by: francois georges
 @tesla786 [Hey guys, I want to buy an Ubuntu mobile phone. Any recommendations please ?], [Edit] Good candidate are Sony Xperia X ( 32 and 64 bit ported by @fredldotme ) and Volla Phone. … https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
[09:40] <ubptgbot> Jakko was added by: Jakko
 For marketing, How has the best good-looking workspace he want to share on media?
 (Photo, 828x1034) https://irc.ubports.com/KpujvMI4.png
 @Stereofont [A UBports group in Hebrew was discussed ages ago. Are there users here who would …], is there one?
 I would like to join
[10:32] <ubptgbot> Tom Krol was added by: Tom Krol
[10:32] <ubptgbot> <Tom Krol> What usb micro and C cable to HDMI is recommended please?
 @Tom Krol [What usb micro and C cable to HDMI is recommended please?], does your phone do hdmi from the beginning?
 check the specs of the phone
 [Edit] check the specs of the phone and see if it can do it
[10:39] <ubptgbot> <Tom Krol> 1st is Nexus 5 and 2nd is OnePlus 3T
 nexus 5 could do slimport, so i think any cable should do
 that's my guess, don't blame me if it doesn't work
[10:41] <ubptgbot> <Tom Krol> I am begginer but motivated to try new and stop use google one
[10:41] <ubptgbot> <Tom Krol> meant OS
[10:42] <ubptgbot> <Tom Krol> what about OP3T?
 looking on the internet i think it does not
 oneplus started shipping hardware that can do display port over usb-c with the oneplus 7
 @Tom Krol [1st is Nexus 5 and 2nd is OnePlus 3T], make sure what you get is a slimport adapter and NOT MHL. Also only HDMI works not VGA
[11:17] <ubptgbot> <Tom Krol> thanks
 @iusevoid [I would like to join], Thanks. I will organise
 @RealDanct12 [that's my guess, don't blame me if it doesn't work], * terms and conditions apply 😂
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[13:05] <ubptgbot> <Parmod Jangra> How to patch kernel of redmi 8
 @RealDanct12 [nexus 5 could do slimport, so i think any cable should do], slimport requires a dongle to work correctly
 i got a cheap Amazon slimport cable and it worked great on  my nexus 4
 https://twitter.com/itsfoss2/status/1322528419364528128?s=20
 Bom dia, tem o ubuntu touch para galaxy s7 edge ?
 @ubports_pt
 And no, we don't
 it's no longer accessible
 Good Morning, do you have ubuntu touch for galaxy S7 edge ?
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[15:35] <ubptgbot> <Walter Fenzi> Hi, this is my first time in telegram, I would like to ask to someone, if there is a version of Ubuntu Touch for Huawei P8 lite. Thank for all. Bye
 somebody is using bluethooth headset with UT? Any recommendations?
 @Walter Fenzi [Hi, this is my first time in telegram, I would like to ask to someone, if there …], Not for huawei
[15:39] <ubptgbot> <Walter Fenzi> @amyosx [Not for huawei], Hi Amy thanks.
 @Walter Fenzi [Hi Amy thanks.], halium is meh too
 which version of the P8 lite are we talking about
[15:48] <ubptgbot> <Walter Fenzi> P8 lite 2017 model Pra-lx1
 @RoninGamer47 [Good Morning, do you have ubuntu touch for galaxy S7 edge ?], that's not supported no, it would to be ported by someone that owns that device
[15:58] <ubptgbot> <Walter Fenzi> 👍👍Thanks😀
[16:00] <ubptgbot> <Walter Fenzi> I'm not a developer, it'hard to ported?  There is a way to unlock the bootloader. Isn't it?
 Good afternoo. Meet you the project alternate android Efundation?
 What do you mean with meet?
 This's important alternate for people front android and not devices support in ubuntu touch.
 https://e.foundation/
 Sorry. My english is very basic.
 meet > to know
 an alternative to android for those who can't find ubuntu touch support.
 Android is safe and respects privacy.
[17:04] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/zH9wo1QI.webp
 (Photo, 1185x891) https://irc.ubports.com/QeVhb7hJ.png
 My sincere apologies, but I believe it would be more interesting than android linked to google. For those who do not have a smartphone that is supported by Ubports, at least for now, it could be an alternative.
 @PauloAndrePMP [My sincere apologies, but I believe it would be more interesting than android li …], Android and Ubuntu touch are different oses
 btw all android roms (eos too) are based on AOSP, which belongs to google
[17:13] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> There are several alternatives other than /e/. And while I like nougat in real life, looking at their list of supported devices (https://doc.e.foundation/devices/) I find way too much of that ... so how about security updates for that about 1/3 of their devices?
 @PauloAndrePMP [Android is safe and respects privacy.], this is actually true to some extent though
 AOSP source code is public, so it's nice to see other projects that was made from it
 And honestly, just don't install google apps :)
 anyway this is getting quite offtopic
 Many smartphone models supported by ubports are not sold in Brazil and as the national currency is very devalued, it is very expensive to bring a smartphone from another country.
 [Edit] And honestly, don't install google apps :)
[17:20] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> How can an OS that sends information about me as soon as i go online (captive portal check) to a company (Google) be respecting my privacy? Nobody asked me if I want that. Not to mention the very talkative play services ...
 Eu tenho cinco smartphones em casa, mas nenhum aceita a instalação do ubuntu touch. É muito azar. Comprei um Nexus 5 usado para fazer o teste, mas temo as condições de funcionamento em que ele se encontra. Resolvi arriscar.
[17:22] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> Which brings up an interesting question: How does UT check if I am truly online (i.e. have internet access) when I connect to a Wifi? Anything one needs to consider when going through a hotel portal that requires an additional authentification via browser?
 Não quis dizer que o android do google é seguro e respeita a privacidade, mas o android da efundation, que se propõe a cumprir tais requisitos de uso.
 I didn't mean that google's android is safe and respects privacy, but efundation's android, which proposes to fulfill such usage requirements.
 I have five smartphones at home, but none accept the installation of ubuntu touch. It's very unlucky. I bought a Nexus 5 used for testing, but I fear the operating conditions it is in. I decided to take a chance.
 @X YZ [Which brings up an interesting question: How does UT check if I am truly online …], any OS checks if you're truly online by calling home
 it basically just curl a webpage then checks if the result are what it was expecting
[17:28] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @RealDanct12 [any OS checks if you're truly online by calling home], So what is "home" for UT and can I switch to an alternative server (like a home server)?
 @X YZ [So what is "home" for UT and can I switch to an alternative server (like a home …], will have to look at how ubuntu packages networkmanager
 but for other distros like arch fedora or redhat, here's how they check your connectivity: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/-/blob/master/contrib/fedora/rpm/20-connectivity-redhat.conf
[17:49] <ubptgbot> dacime was added by: dacime
[17:55] <ubptgbot> YagiMagiPOC was added by: YagiMagiPOC
 @Stereofont [A UBports group in Hebrew was discussed ages ago. Are there users here who would …], Yes please. :)
 @RealDanct12 [will have to look at how ubuntu packages networkmanager], Home is start.ubuntu.com of course https://github.com/search?q=org%3Aubports+%22start.ubuntu.com%22&type=Code
 @man_land [Home is start.ubuntu.com of course https://github.com/search?q=org%3Aubports+%22 …], Topic in the forum https://forums.ubports.com/topic/4643/ut-is-calling-home
 Also the push server knows that your online and without you don't get telegram notifications
 Your email server knows also if you are online, because of IMAP and if your modem uses agps like in the Qualcomm device, qualcom also knows where you are and your provider knows everything if you don't set a dns. If you need anonymity don't use a smartphone.
 @man_land [Home is start.ubuntu.com of course https://github.com/search?q=org%3Aubports+%22 …], A majority of those references are unused. Only ubuntu-push does it any more
[21:59] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @nanu_c [Your email server knows also if you are online, because of IMAP and if your mode …], I don't mind my mailserver knowing i am pulling mail, i.e.being online. That's what i expect from it. But i like to know and control who knows what and limit that to "need to know". Google logging whom i call is a no-go, for example - while my phone
[21:59] <ubptgbot>  company may be legally required to do so and might need the information for billing the service i use. Also they are strictly regulated in how to handle my data.  … That's why i prefer transparency in what data about me goes where. The goal is not total anonymity, but to excercise my right to control my personal data.  … And why should i not expec
[21:59] <ubptgbot> t to be able to do so when using a smartphone? 🤔 … To the contrary, part of the UT project is about making that possible. 👍  … Why would, to stay with that example, the captive-check-server need to log / save my IP after sending the response? Not needed for the original service i requested  ...
[21:59] <ubptgbot> DrMoti was added by: DrMoti
 @Walter Fenzi [Are there some information to learn it?], http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html … and … http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/Intro.html … Also http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/halium_9/Halium_9_GSI_porting.html
[22:20] <ubptgbot> <Walter Fenzi> @TotalSonic [http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html … and … http://docs.ubport …], Thanks a lot.
 (Photo, 590x594) https://irc.ubports.com/lW0D0UIT.png God its so cute! Not even me knew we got Halloween Yumi on our Instagram ^^
[23:02] <ikmaak> very well done image indeed


[00:15] <schnoodles> Anyone know if there is a good way to install skype through command line with kubuntu. It seems that standard ubuntu just enables the community repositories and wondering if that is "preferred" on kubuntu.
[00:17] <adymitruk> why does installing morse not fix the telegram account creation in IM
[00:34] <soee_> schnoodles: or download it from their website (.deb file) and click on it to install
[01:04] <schnoodles> soee_, that is a possibility but I am trying to build a command line setup script.
[01:06] <staeksauce> how do I stop the bouncy icon next to the mouse cursor when I open a program?
[01:08] <soee_> System Settings -> Applications -> Launch Feedback
[01:08] <Dragnslcr> Darn, beat me by 3 seconds
[01:09] <staeksauce> thx
[01:24] <libreM> Hi, anyone out there?
[01:25] <libreM> I find my /etc/apt/sources.list to be unnaturally short.
[01:25] <libreM> Is this a bug on my machine or is this just the natural thing?
[01:25] <libreM> I use kubuntu 16.04
[01:39] <Guest96366> Good Evening Guys !
[01:41] <valorie> hmmm, how short? you didn't say
[01:42] <Unit193> I edited mine to be shorter. :3
[01:44] <staeksauce> I originally installed Kubuntu on a separate SSD and unplugged my Windows drive beforehand so that I could choose which drive to boot from . Then I upgraded to 16.04 and now I have a GRUB menu when I boot into the Kubuntu drive. Is there anyway to get rid of GRUB
[02:57] <sjr_> has anybody has issues with systemsettings in Ubuntu 16.04?
[02:57] <sjr_> specifically widget style settings having no effect
[02:57] <sjr_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/1584540
[02:58] <staeksauce> i was having all sorts of trouble with desktop effects
[03:17] <valorie> SJr: a few people have reported that, but I don't think they have figured out the common denominator yet
[03:18]  * valorie has had no such problems
[03:33] <goddard> Is it possible to get qmlc included in the repos?
[05:37] <o`connor> hi, I just installed kde and ran the kmail setup wizard
[05:37] <o`connor> now I keep getting error 53 from something called kwallet
[05:37] <o`connor> and I can't read my mail
[05:37] <o`connor> help?
[05:39] <o`connor> sorry, error 55
[05:40] <o`connor> "Encryption error while attempting to save the wallet kdewallet. Error code is 55 (Invalid value). Please fix your system configuration, then try again"
[05:40] <o`connor> then something about gpg keys
[05:42] <o`connor> also this popup keeps coming up
[05:42] <o`connor> this is so annoying
[05:49] <o`connor> I just disabled the kde wallet subsystem
[05:49] <o`connor> is that the right thing to do?
[05:50] <valorie> if you don't need it....
[05:50] <valorie> I use mine with no problem
[05:50] <o`connor> valorie: i want to use kmail without error popups happening
[05:50] <valorie> if it works for you, great
[05:50] <o`connor> valorie: ? it's not working, I'm asking for help
[05:51] <valorie> if not, you can ask in #kontact which is the chan kmail uses
[05:51] <valorie> I mean, if you disabled the wallet and it works for you, great
[05:51] <o`connor> ok, thanks
[05:51] <valorie> if not, I'm unsure
[05:51] <o`connor> valorie: that was just to get the error popups to stop
[08:39] <yossarianuk> hi - anyone using the backports PPA for 16.04?  Just wondering how stable is it ?
[08:40] <yossarianuk> i.e -> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4kcjob/plasma_564_now_available_in_kubuntu_backports/
[08:40] <yossarianuk> also there is no news on the kubuntu site -> http://kubuntu.org/news/
[08:42] <acheron88> using it here. seems pretty stable. perhaps more so than 5.5.5
[08:43] <yossarianuk> acheron88: cool - in my experience the later kde/plasma versions are always better than previous.
[08:43] <yossarianuk> which is why having rolling desktop packages would be a good idea.
[08:43] <acheron88> there are few bugs, but mostly to do with upstream rather than kubuntu
[08:44] <acheron88> seems slicker and snappier
[08:44] <claus> hi
[08:46] <acheron88> yossarianuk: if you make use of opening recent docs from the K menu, you may want to take account of https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363337
[08:46] <yossarianuk> acheron88: cheers
[08:47] <yossarianuk> acheron88: do I need to clear out the ~/.cache/ folders - I remeber with 15.10 when I enebaled backports PPA I had to.
[08:48] <acheron88> I did on one machine, and didn't on another. with this upgrade seemed to make no difference to me, but perhaps a good idea all the same
[08:50] <yossarianuk> acheron88: thanks - looking forward to trying plasma 5.6.4
[09:18] <pats_pending> Does anyone know how to set up Muon?  I have no software list.
[09:19] <hateball> pats_pending: Is this a fresh install?
[09:20] <pats_pending> Yes.   I installed VLC from the recommendations, but I cannot search for software like Dia or Synaptic, it comes up blank.
[09:21] <acheron88> may need you to run in terminal 'sudo update-apt-xapian-index'
[09:22] <mparillo> If it is Muon Discover, sometimes searching retrieves nothing, but drilling down the categories works.
[09:25] <pats_pending> I am trying the update which appears to be doing something in the terminal ending with the statement Rebuilding Xapian Index.
[09:26] <pats_pending> It terminated cleanly, but Muon is busy with Krita.  I will restart when it is done.
[09:26] <acheron88> try closing and opening Muon again when it finishes
[09:27] <pats_pending> Will do.
[09:33] <pats_pending> Muon has hung for the moment, the level of information it provides is rather poor.  It just says installing with no progress bar or status window.
[09:34] <acheron88> it's old and creaky and gtk, but I prefer synaptic
[09:35] <acheron88> or a lot of the time simply apt/apt-get
[09:38] <yossarianuk> Wow - very impressed with the Backports for 16.04 - Plasma 5.6.4 seems snappier than 5.5.5
[09:39] <pats_pending> It has installed Krita after a wait, but restarting it has not revealed any new software.  I can't even find Synaptic to replace it, so I will apt it.
[09:40] <yossarianuk> as well as being faster the plasma update fixed this really annoying network-manager bug -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/networkmanager-qt/+bug/1569674
[09:40] <yossarianuk> I highly recommend installing the PPA - a better experience!
[09:41] <vedu> I am having some issues after upgrading to 16.04 :( Window animations are not working and after login the screen is non responsive
[09:41] <acheron88> pats_pending: odd. works here and I can find synaptic with it
[09:41] <yossarianuk> Would have been better if kubuntu had gone with 5.6.x in the first place - its already fixed issues in stock 16.04
[09:42] <acheron88> vedu: what did you upgrade from
[09:42] <pats_pending> I assume that it is a local problem, but I am succeeding with apt for Synaptic as a backup.  As usual I tinkered with the installation on a computer I need for work tomorrow.
[09:42] <acheron88> yossarianuk: did not come out in time to beat the feature freeze for xenial I think
[09:43] <vedu> archeron88: 15.04
[09:43] <vedu> acheron88: ^
[09:44] <vedu> acheron88: plus, I had installed ubuntu 15.04, then installed the KDE packages
[09:44] <yossarianuk> acheron88: that makes sense - I would highly recommend anyone trying the update though - its also fixed some colour issues with dark-breeze theme in GTK apps as well.
[09:47] <acheron88> vedu: could be graphics related, or sddm is sometimes glitchy, but I would perhaps clean out tmp files first and reboot.
[09:48] <acheron88> i.e. in ~/.cache/ /tmp/ /var/tmp
[09:49] <vedu> acheron88: I vaguely remember some notification "some error, graphics something was restarted"
[09:49] <vedu> acheron88: ok cool. will try that
[09:49] <acheron88> you've jumped up several versions of kde/plasma with that upgrade, so anything left in tmp/cache from old versions can cause probs
[09:51] <vedu> acheron88: sudo rm -rf :(
[09:51] <acheron88> ummmm.... yes - at your own risk
[09:52] <acheron88> I do that to clear tmp/cache from old versions sometimes, but am very careful with it
[09:54] <acheron88> I generally would NOT advise
[09:54] <vedu> acheron88: ok I just did that and rebooted. somehow my wifi connected and konversation opened :D
[09:55] <vedu> acheron88: but the plasma workspace didn't load apparently
[09:55] <vedu> and yakuake is giving an error "unable to load the konsole component"
[09:56] <acheron88> think I saw a bug on that yakuake prob the other day
[09:56] <vedu> no no. lots of things didn't load
[09:56] <acheron88> the rest hopefully some others can help as I have to go in a few secs
[09:57] <vedu> hmm. I'll just restart again
[09:57] <vedu> giong to tty1
[10:40] <vedu> I just deleted my temporary files and bottom application laucher is not running
[10:45] <vedu> I get this when running `kstart plasmashell` : https://gist.github.com/vedant1811/4433eb9e2809f28ad9466cc429a533b5
[10:49] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[10:51] <vedu> BluesKaj: in deep trouble. very few KDE apps are running, inlcuding plasmashell
[10:51] <vedu> :(
[11:01] <ejay> Hi all. Can you guys recommend me some good music player?
[11:02] <BluesKaj> ejay, amarok
[11:02] <ejay> BluesKaj: except amarok
[11:02] <BluesKaj> vedu, which kde apps?
[11:03] <BluesKaj> ejay, VLC
[11:03] <ejay> i tried clementine (it's fine), tomahawk (it's shit) and amarok (it's in FUBAR state)
[11:03] <lordievader> MPD in combination with Cantata.
[11:04] <vedu> BluesKaj: plasmashell, kickoff... Here's the output I get when trying to run from konsole: https://gist.github.com/vedant1811/4433eb9e2809f28ad9466cc429a533b5
[11:05] <vedu> only konsole, konversation, chromium are working...
[11:07] <BluesKaj> vedu, and why are you running plasmshell from the cli , what's wrong with launching your apps directly from launcher ?
[11:09] <vedu> BluesKaj: it wasn't there. Things are working now. after I ran $ kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental
[11:10] <vedu> BluesKaj: the entire footer of launcher, taskmanager was gone. now its back. phew
[13:53] <user|90527> When I send my computer into suspention and resume it I get a blank black screen. If I send it into suspention when I'm in the virtual console and resume it it works, but if I change in the graphical console, everything freezes and I have to do a hard reset. Is there any workaround or is there no way of fixing it? I have a Acer Aspire V5 if that he
[13:53] <user|90527> lps you
[16:03] <tytan> Hello everyone, I have a question about cron and kubuntu 16.04. There is a directory called /etc/cron.daily in my rootfs. Are scripts laying there executed daily even without further configuration?
[16:12] <Dragnslcr> tytan- yes, though you might need to make sure that the owner and permissions are set correctly
[16:15] <tytan> Dragnslcr: owner and rights? Aren't those files executed by root?
[16:20] <Dragnslcr> I think so, yeah. I don't remember offhand if the cron system requires them to be owned by root.
[16:20] <Dragnslcr> I'm pretty sure they have to be set to be executable, though
[16:24] <tytan> Dragnslcr: You're probable right. A script owned by root and made executeable works. Thank you very much!
[16:25] <Dragnslcr> You're welcome
[16:25] <Dragnslcr> I just remember that some distros have slightly odd requirements for scripts in cron.daily
[16:30] <DracX> Hi all. I have a problem with kontact when I use the dark theme: unread messages are not recognizable in the message list, as they seem to be dark in  default :-( Any hints where to change the settings?
[16:31] <DracX> sorry, I have now found it.
[16:37] <DracX> Hi all. A big thank you to everyone involved providing plasma via backports.
[16:39] <DracX> of course I meant to say plasma 5.6 (num lock :-)
[16:42] <DracX> BTW: I just looked it up: the backport of plasma 5.6 to kubuntu 16.04 is not yet indicated on https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Packages#Kubuntu
[16:46] <DracX> A question: I have recently installed an additional HDD in my computer. If I want to encrypt it (just as my kubuntu installation is), what do I have to do?
[16:56] <marco-parillo> DracX: I hope this is a bit clearer.
[17:00] <DracX> thx marco-parillo , will be worth it for others (I have already updated)
[17:06] <yalu> I got a burning question: with what program can I install Kubuntu? Ubiquity doesn't do the trick. The continue button is unclickable in second step. I found several open bug reports on these (some quite old)
[17:09] <marco-parillo> The only time that happens to me is when I try to connect to my WEP wireless network while installing. If I connect later, I get the continue button.
[17:13] <yalu> I connected before ... I think I'll bypass the bug this way. but it's really a kludge to leave this into the distribution
[17:14] <yalu> actually I tried the install on the TRAIN, with no wireless and with the same result. don't even get the dialog about wireless if I turn the receiver ON.
[17:15] <yalu> anyways, I get stuck in the same step... which has now become the third step.
[17:44] <al8989> hello everyone :) I was wondering if I could install the application bluegriffon on kubuntu I did not see listed when I went to add new softwar, but I know it is available for linux
[17:47] <andy123> hi al8989. There is a linux tar.bz2
[17:48] <al8989> yes someone sent it to me on the jubuntu channel thank you
[17:48] <al8989> yes someone sent it to me on the kubuntu channel thank you
[17:48] <andy123> np
[17:49] <al8989> if only itwas in the software so it could automatically update itself whena new version comes out as I know the author is goign to be realeasing newversionssoon
[17:54] <acheron88> think there are some beta builds for 16.04?
[17:54] <acheron88> but tar.gz only?
[18:05] <yalu> There is no text mode installation as well?
[18:21] <lethu> Hello, I have managed to bug the synaptic package manager, where can I find it's config files?
[18:22] <lethu> its*
[18:30] <Mr_Red> !ubottu chromium
[18:31] <Mr_Red> !ubottu chromium-browser
[18:33] <abhishek> Mr_Red, use apt-cache show?
[18:34] <Mr_Red> nothing yet
[18:43] <mib> Hy everyone
[18:43] <mib> I have a little problem and was hoping someone could help me a bit.
[18:43] <mib> I was impatitent to upgrade from 15.10 to 16.04 the day it came out, but because I use kubuntu backports my system was in flux ever since - I have problems with unmet dependencies.
[18:43] <mib> But now that kubuntu backports are avaliable ( which they are right? ) I tough I would simply do apt-get update/upgrade and all dependencies would be re-downloaded and installed, but sadly it looks that is not the case.
[18:43] <mib> So my question is how can I fix this https://paste.kde.org/prwusdjhu problem without doing `apt-get install -f`? - which I don't want because that would remove over 280 packages from my system.
[18:50] <mib> I tried apt-get clean and autoclean and then update, to get latest data but when doing upgrade it looks like it does not find the right/latest versions of packages
[18:58] <keithzg> Yikes, dual-monitors that aren't the same orientation is . . . not handled well these days.
[18:59] <keithzg> Popup dialog windows in System Settings keep appearing off the screen, with no way for me to move them :(
[19:08] <Mr_Red> me retiro chavales
[19:48] <goddard> Can you avoid the "The program has unexpectedly finished." in Qt creator or is that the normal text when a program is closed?
[20:19] <pepee> hi. I used to be able to change the backlight brightness by running "qdbus org.kde.Solid.PowerManagement /org/kde/Solid/PowerManagement/Actions/BrightnessControl setBrightness <number>"
[20:19] <pepee> that used to work in KDE4. how do I do this in KFM5?
[20:24] <abhishek> is there anyway to install 4.6 kernel on kubuntu?
[20:25] <pepee> abhishek, yes, but you have to install/update it manually:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[20:26] <pepee> abhishek, the other option is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack , but there are no new HWE kernels yet
[20:27] <yossarianuk> beware of using mainline if you use the nvidia driver - make sure you know the manual install process for the driver
[20:28] <pepee> ^yeah, or any other proprietary graphics drivers
[20:28] <pepee> s/graphics//
[20:28] <keithzg> pepee: Hrmm, using qdbusviewer I can see that that method still seems to exist, I don't know why it wouldn't be working anymore. Not at a laptop at the moment so I can't try it out on my system.
[20:29] <pepee> keithzg, it actually seems to call the method... but it doesn't change the brightness
[20:29] <yossarianuk> ps - anyone running 16.04 you are missing out if you haven't installed the backports ppa
[20:30] <yossarianuk> plasma 5.6.4 is aewsome
[20:31] <yossarianuk> no idea why but it just seems snappier
[20:31] <pepee> I was thinking about using the PPA, guess I could try that
[20:31] <yossarianuk> plus several bugs are fixed...
[20:32] <yossarianuk> pepee: https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/XyzeaMysWFB
[20:32] <pepee> it's sad that we have to use PPAs for this, though
[20:32] <yossarianuk> wanted to try neon as well but UEFI still lacking...
[20:32] <yossarianuk> this is what neon should solve eventually
[20:33] <yossarianuk> although to be fair 16.04 is pretty stable -  just a few annoying bugs (fixed in later plasma versions)
[20:34]  * keithzg hopes the window opening location issues are fixed in said later versions, but isn't going to bank on it
[20:35] <yossarianuk> keithzg: you mean for multi monitors?
[20:36] <yossarianuk> I believe thats a qt 5.6 fix?
[20:37] <pepee> I have no idea what neon is tbh
[20:38] <yossarianuk> Its an Ubuntu LTS base but with rolling Plasma/QT packages
[20:38] <yossarianuk> its not ready yet...
[20:38] <pepee> ah
[20:39] <keithzg> yossarianuk: Aas I mentioned above, I have two monitors and windows (particularly dialogue windows that pop up, like many in System Settings) appear offscreen.
[20:40] <pepee> I should have added the PPA yesterday, when I upgraded from 14.04... would have saved me some time
[21:49] <Guest88806> can someone tell me a good program to burn an .iso into a pendrive?
[21:50] <bprompt> Guest88806:    dd :)
[21:50] <bprompt> Guest88806:    hmm kde already comes with one, usb-creator
[21:51] <bprompt> Guest88806:   you could also try usb-creator-gtk, it's in the repositories, I've found that one, more stable and than kde's =)
[21:51] <Guest88806> bprompt: im searching for it and cant find it
[21:54] <bprompt> hmmm I don't see it either, probably removed, it was there on previous versions though, not as stable anyway, I use usb-creator-gtk, tis pretty reliable
[21:55] <Guest88806> bprompt: will download it thanks
[22:20] <keithzg> dcfldd for great justice
[22:20] <keithzg> (or, more accurately, for dd with built-in reporting of progress)
[22:21] <keithzg> I think the KDE USB creator still exists, though, no?
[22:21] <keithzg> !package usb-creator-kde
[22:22] <keithzg> Hrmm, am I remembering the bot calls wrong? It certainly does still appear to exist. http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/usb-creator-kde
[22:24] <Dragnslcr> !info usb-creator-kde
[22:24] <keithzg> Ah right, durr, !info rather than !package
[22:26] <soee> !etcher
[22:26] <soee> !info etcher
[22:26] <soee> there is also something like http://www.etcher.io
[22:32] <bprompt> I had usb-creator-kde.... wasn't that stable, usb-creator-gtk is pretty reliable, UI is about the same
[22:50] <pepee> how come there are only 4 task switchers? what happened to the "normal" one that simply lists titles of windows
[22:53] <soee> huh ?
[23:06] <pasjrwoctx> I am seeking a kubuntu/ubuntu and display guru
[23:22] <jfly22> Question, I installed Kubuntu 16.04 on two laptops yesterday, both from the same usb made with unetbootin, one laptop accessing the cursor theme from system settings is working on the other, it crashes, any idea why?