[02:19] <ahklerner> hello i have upgraded and apparently it has not recognized the audio hardware on my laptop
[02:20] <ahklerner> i downloaded pavucontrol and it only shows "Dummy Output" in output devices, when i change the dropdown at the bottom to hardware output devices it shows nothing
[02:20] <ahklerner> is there some magic i need to do to get audio
[02:28] <Maineac> greetings all
[02:29] <ahklerner> hi
[02:29] <Maineac> this is my first xubuntu install, not my first ubuntu install
[02:30] <Maineac> what should I look forward to?
[02:30] <xangua> Maineac: I have the feeling you already know the answer
[02:35] <Maineac> as I am in the act of installing now ... I understand it has a simplier ui
[02:36] <Maineac> time to restart.  I"ll hop back on when I come up
[03:03] <maineac> hey #xangua, I'm back
[03:04] <maineac> having issues with my wifi
[03:06] <maineac> can ya hear me?
[03:51] <Gus81> Hello, I speak Spanish. I would like to install compiz and emerald in Xubuntu 14.04, but emerald is not in the repositories. I can download from ppa? Packages emerald and emerald-themes ?
[03:53] <xangua> ! Emerald
[03:53] <Unit193> !info compton
[03:55] <Gus81> ah, did not know ...
[03:56] <Gus81> can be used without compiz window decorator?
[03:57] <holstein> Gus81: compton doesnt require compiz
[03:58] <holstein> if i wanted compositing, i would just try the xfce one included first.. tick the box in the extra settings for the window manager
[03:58] <Unit193> It's not as shiny, but still creates effects if you have the right config setup.
[03:58] <holstein> depends on the needs, i suppose..
[03:58] <Gus81> sorry for my English, I help with google translator / I use google translator but not always
[03:59] <Unit193> !es
[04:00] <xangua> Gus81: you can use compiz with metacity
[04:00] <holstein> window manager tweaks - compositor
[04:00] <Gus81> besides all compiz packages which should install more?
[04:01] <Gus81> or that you should not install?
[04:01] <holstein> i would try the included compositor, then compton, then mess around with compiz.. personally, i find compiz more trouble than its worth
[04:38] <xubuntu294> irani hast inja ?
[06:58] <G4n0n> hey guys, just removed gmusic but its still showing on my menu. Checked menu editor and its not there, dunno how to remove it
[06:59] <G4n0n> any help appreciated
[08:20] <horrow> root@ghost:~# gedit /etc/default/grub
[08:20] <horrow> No protocol specified
[08:20] <horrow> ** (gedit:2797): WARNING **: Could not open X display
[08:20] <horrow> No protocol specified
[08:20] <horrow> error: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set in the environment.
[08:20] <horrow> (gedit:2797): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
[08:20] <horrow> root@ghost:~#
[08:20] <horrow> fresh install a few minutes ago....
[08:20] <knome> !pastebin | horrow
[11:39] <Sanurai> ma
[11:39] <Sanurai> hi
[11:40] <Sanurai> because my web cam ise reverse in the videochat
[11:40] <Sanurai> chatrouletr ecc..
[11:43] <gabkdlly> Sanurai: Hey
[11:44] <gabkdlly> video chat applications will usually give you a mirror image of yourself because this is more intuitive for most people
[12:06] <patates> hey, if I edit an usb disk using gparted, xubuntu mounts that disk's owner as root, I can't use the disk w/o rebooting. How can I solve this? Manual usb mounting?
[13:44] <xubuntu141> good day I have problem with instalation of xubuntu 14.04 is so slow (I speak spanish
[13:47] <xubuntu141> I dont, because in this momen a dont know to do my laptop have more than 11 hours installating
[13:53] <xubuntu141> always show Configurando bcmwl-kernel-source(amd64) and in black window say ...renewal in 1535 second... every time since almost 12 hours WHAT CAN I DO?
[13:55] <xubuntu141> not
[13:56] <xubuntu141> is my first time I decide change windows xp
[13:58] <xubuntu141> I can shutdow my computer or not never finish instalation
[14:00] <xubuntu141> what will happen if shoutdow and try again later ?
[14:02] <cfhowlett> xubuntu141, restart installation later.  a half finished install is a broken install
[14:04] <xubuntu141> mi instalation disc is in drive yet When I can expulse it?
[14:05] <cfhowlett> xubuntu141, eject it
[14:07] <xubuntu141> ok and after I can shoutdow my computer , after ejet the disc?
[14:07] <cfhowlett> xubuntu141, yes
[14:10] <xubuntu141> dude?
[15:18] <kawatzaki> Helloo!
[15:20] <ollie_> hey, when i play video my xubuntu crashes, i have installed drivers but it still oders it, the whole os crashes and i have to turn it on and oof, I'm worried this will damage the hardware and I have no kidea what is causing the problem
[15:21] <ollie_> *does it
[15:21] <cfhowlett> ollie_, video from DVD?
[15:21] <ollie_> no mp4
[15:21] <ollie_> on parole and vlc
[15:21] <cfhowlett> ollie_, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:22] <ObrienDave> install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:22] <cfhowlett> ollie_, first command for multimedia codecs, 2nd to get your system to latest packages in the distro repo
[15:23] <ollie_> i've done the first one, shall i do it again, or just the second one?
[15:23] <cfhowlett> ollie_, 2nd
[15:25] <ollie_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8107026/
[15:25] <ollie_> everything else seems to work fine
[15:25] <ObrienDave> ollie_, it's ok to paste single lines here
[15:25] <ollie_> ok
[15:26] <ElderDryas> AFAIK, VLC doesn't need restricted extras to work correctly, so I'd think there is something else wrong here.
[15:27] <ElderDryas> ollie_: Do ALL videos crash the system or just some/one?
[15:28] <cfhowlett> ElderDryas, VLC comes with its own set of codecs.
[15:28] <ElderDryas> cfhowlett: my point exactly :)
[15:28] <ollie_> all
[15:29] <ollie_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8107054/
[15:29] <ollie_> these are my vid card details
[15:32] <ollie_> http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/77525/en-us
[15:32] <ollie_> does this look like it might help?
[15:32] <cfhowlett> !nvidia | ollie      for nvidia
[15:36] <ElderDryas> ollie_: From what I can gather, nvidia suggests this driver for your card  http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/59827/en-us
[15:37] <ElderDryas> But I'd try the 'buntu driver installer before trying to install a driver on my own.
[15:37] <ollie_> what is that?
[15:37] <ElderDryas> re: cfhowlett's link
[15:38] <ollie_> i have already
[15:38] <ElderDryas> see: Basic Installation Instructions
[15:39] <ElderDryas> gotta run...good luck
[15:39] <ollie_> i have run restricted extras and dist upgrade
[15:40] <ollie_> after the dist upgrade terminal said this
[15:40] <ollie_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8107026/
[15:41] <ollie_> I don't how to interpret that, it seems like it is saying that thee was no problem with the driver instilation
[15:41] <ObrienDave> no, it's saying all packages are current
[15:42] <ollie_> ok, so that would suggest it is not the driver causing the problem?
[15:42] <ollie_> becuase i have install the drivers three times now
[15:46] <ollie_> good it be a problem with flash?
[15:46] <ObrienDave> it could be
[15:48] <ollie_> the nvivdia driver download said invalid byte sequnce in conversion input
[15:49] <ollie_> though vids on firefox work fine
[15:50] <ollie_> I'm very confused and have no idea how to approach this problem
[16:02] <m3n3chm0> hello all
[16:04] <m3n3chm0> i'm having issue on thunar, pressing Supr key to delete files on NTFS partitions... i receive the message 'trash folder can't found or create'... it just happen on pressing supr key, if i use right button and delete... it works perfectly... help :)
[16:09] <m3n3chm0> this is the line of that ntfs partition in fstab /dev/disk/by-uuid/6293D8B274BE0A40 /mnt/6293D8B274BE0A40 auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
[16:09] <m3n3chm0> is it ok ?
[16:54] <m3n3chm0> i'm having issue on thunar, pressing Supr key to delete files on NTFS partitions... i receive the message 'trash folder can't found or create'... it just happen on pressing supr key, if i use right button and delete... it works perfectly... help :)
[16:55] <holstein> i would just use the right button, or the delete key.. i have never tried using the super key to delete.. it could be simply permissions related wiht the ntfs partition
[16:56] <holstein> i would consider trying to go native linux formats ASAP, then, you will likely not experience any serious glitches
[16:58] <m3n3chm0> i have to mean delete key, Supr, not super
[16:58] <m3n3chm0> it doesn't delete files
[16:58] <m3n3chm0> using delete key
[17:01] <holstein> m3n3chm0: ok.. what would i do? try deleting in the command line to see if there is helpful output... i would also consider just accepting the "issues" since its a windows native format with likely some compromises associated
[17:02] <m3n3chm0> ok
[17:03] <holstein> !ntfs
[17:03] <m3n3chm0> no problem using richt button then delete works
[17:04] <m3n3chm0> holstein i have this line in fstab
[17:04] <m3n3chm0> /dev/sda7 /media/DATOS ntfs-3g auto,rw,users,umask=000 0 0
[17:05] <m3n3chm0> maybe i need to add my uid ?
[17:05] <holstein> m3n3chm0: i do it by uuid.. but, you can easily load up a live CD and attach the ntfs drive/partition, and "bypass" your fstab for troubleshooting
[17:06] <holstein> basically, i see it like this.. the creators/maintainers of ntfs never promise "manage the filesystem with any operating system you like, such as ubuntu/xubuntu/linux"... so, i follow guides and try and be open to compromises
[17:07] <holstein> i feel using a live CD is a nice troubleshooting step to remove your config, and the configurations changes you have made to the operating system from the equation
[17:08] <holstein> otherwise, try deleting from the command line, see if you get a helpful error message.. try running thunar from the command line and see if you get error messages
[17:21] <xubuntu727> Hi
[17:21] <ObrienDave> greetings and welcome
[17:21] <xubuntu727> I have installed xubuntu
[17:21] <elfy> !ask | xubuntu727
[17:22] <xubuntu691> When i install xubuntu shud i use IDE or AHCI mode on the disk ?
[17:22] <xubuntu727> xubuntu 14.04 where i can find wi fi?
[17:24] <holstein> xubuntu691: you are installing to a usb stick?
[17:24] <holstein> !Install
[17:26] <xubuntu691> I am installing from a usb stick.
[17:26] <holstein> xubuntu691: i would do what is "best" for the target system
[17:26] <xubuntu691> what is best AHCI or IDE ? Are Xubuntu support AHCI ?
[17:27] <holstein> could be there are hardware limitations that dictate which of those you need to do
[17:27] <holstein> "You will generally have no problem with Ubuntu when you enable AHCI mode, because it detects this mode automatically."
[17:27] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/315703/does-ubuntu-support-sata-drives-in-ahci-mode
[17:28] <holstein> xubuntu691: i personally would do whatever works "best" with the hardware
[17:28] <holstein> with the bios, or the machine.. i would look and see what is already there, and why.. and check the warranty if relevant
[17:30] <xubuntu691> I dont know.. the AHCI was for windows.. i am not sure how it is with linux.
[17:30] <holstein> xubuntu691: as stated above, ubuntu detect the mode automatically
[17:31] <holstein> i would just try it "as-is" and change if i run into problems after researching
[17:36] <m3n3chm0> holstein fixed, i just added uid=1000 now i cant delte using delete key :)
[17:53] <xubuntu691> Is someone know when 14.04.2 will be ready ?
[17:55] <bazhang> around the time of the next summit, iirc
[17:58] <genii> Hm, the schedule at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule only goes to August 7
[20:04] <xubuntu682> hi !
[20:05] <xubuntu682> someone is there ?
[20:05] <holstein> yes. many are here.. just ask if you have a support question, xubuntu682  :)
[20:06] <xubuntu682> okay i have a question. I have win 8 preinstalled but i remove it. I'm installing xubuntu. Can i install win 8 in dual boot after ?
[20:12] <ObrienDave> you should have Win8 installed first. saves a LOT of headaches
[20:14] <ObrienDave> note to self, SELF, make sure they are still here before responding LOL
[20:29] <martinrame> hi, I'm in 14.04 and while trying to compile an app that uses pthreads it says: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lpthread, I have build-essential and libpthread-stubs0-dev installed
[20:29] <martinrame> what else is needed?
[22:29] <gopool> anyone here running Xubuntu on an IBM T42p?
[23:51] <doubleplusgood> I'm having trouble booting after installing AMD graphcis drivers (for a R7770) on Xubuntu 14.04.1. It freezes at the splash screen and I'm unable to get to a TTY, I do not have sshd running on it nor can I get GRUB to show up.  Any tips?
[23:57] <doubleplusgood> Ahh It appears I had to hold 'Esc' not 'Shift' shift for GRUB


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[16:49] <sing> i can't get ubuntu installed on my uefi laptop
[16:50] <thelinuxer> sing: I have never done it myself.


[06:13] <gdi2k> I have no idea where to start with this, so I thought I would start here - hopefully someone can point me in the right direction. We have our office at A and a server hosting a PBX at C. We are trying to optimize the route between A and C to reduce latency, but our ISP is inept. But we also have a server at B which is very close to C but has much better routes from A than A->C. So we would like to route the traffic A->B->C - what do I need at B to make
[06:13] <gdi2k>  that work?
[06:22] <hariom> Hey guys, I have installed openblas-dev and liblapack-dev on my Ubuntu 14.04. How to know which version of these libraries are installed?
[06:30] <samba35> how do i redirect url to domain for ex .www-abcdefgh-com/xyz should redirect to test-abcdefgh-com
[06:42] <william_home> samba35: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_alias.html#redirect
[07:20] <rbasak> teward: pong
[07:42] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:56] <Vexena> Hello, I heard that enabling automatic updates can be potentially dangerous on a server in a live environment, why is this exactly?
[11:04] <william_home> jamespage: i was told to bug you, for packaging issues in the cloud archive?
[11:29] <Vexena> Anyone know what would be the best way to start a screen session upon startup? I've tried it with a upstart .conf script like this: http://pastebin.com/ybzACJ34 but that only makes "service tsbot start" and "service tsbot stop" work but the service does not start upon startup
[11:32] <Vexena> Seems like it's fixed now
[12:42] <teward> rbasak: sorry about not being here around 3AM - nginx dynamic module loading slated to exist in 1.9.x, which I believe Debian might end up having.  (I hate the continual shift between mainline and stable, but Debian nginx maintainers do that)
[12:42] <teward> rbasak: not sure if we'll need additional review of the package going forward or not, because there'd be a lot more 'main' packages if we support 'core' modules...
[12:42] <teward> no timeline yet, but...
[12:57] <rbasak> teward: thanks. Sounds good - should save us from the multiple static build hell? We can check with the security team nearer the time.
[13:08] <teward> rbasak: it should, but i think we should partly rely on Debian for some of the packaging.  1.9.x was released only a couple days ago, and AFAIK dynamic package support is listed on the timeline of goals, but no idea of actual timeline or ease of implementation ye
[13:08] <teward> yet*
[13:12] <teward> rbasak: if it's anything like Apache, there may be a couple core "global" functions still built in, but additional plugins would be available.  The tricky part, I believe, is balancing stable vs. mainline in Ubuntu - 1.8.x is the stable release, 1.9.x is the mainline release, and that's going to supersede the stable release, my guess is for maybe a year
[13:12] <teward> rbasak: i wouldn't mind additional security reviews closer to then though, code format changes, etc. and what not
[13:15] <rbasak> teward: I imagine we'll want the stable release in every LTS release.
[13:16] <rbasak> teward: and that implies we should try and stick to the stable release in all releases if we can - otherwise it wouldn't work.
[13:16]  * rbasak wonders what Debian does here.
[13:17] <devster31> dd of a 3.1 gb image is taking forever, like 30+ minutes, is this normal?
[13:18] <teward> rbasak: that's... doable to an extent, but that'll require a manual upload to Ubuntu specifically of Stable
[13:18] <teward> rbasak: and at that point we break Debian inheritence
[13:19] <rbasak> teward: so Debian stick to mainline?
[13:20] <teward> rbasak: i forget exactly how my Debian maintainer contact worded it, let me see if I can get a oneliner to provide.
[13:20] <teward> i do know at one point they start using mainline then go back to stable, as for actual timeline I don't know how they determine that, probably something related to Debian release dates
[13:21] <teward> rbasak: but if W series is open and 1.9.x made available in Debian, that's a mainline release, which is always going to have a higher version # than nginx stable releases
[13:21] <teward> rbasak: a good 'starting point' would be what i just uploaded to the nginx team PPAs - 1.8.x
[13:21] <teward> which is stable, and has debian HEAD as of... what, two days ago now?
[13:21] <teward> (debian HEAD as in from the nginx git repo there)
[13:22] <teward> (was needed for 1.8.x builds to work)
[13:22] <rbasak> OK
[13:22] <teward> but since W's name hasn't even been released yet, I don't even think W-series is open
[13:22] <teward> so i'll keep my radar pointed at Debian and the announce lists waiting for W to open
[13:23] <rbasak> Yeah it's not open yet.
[13:23] <teward> then we'll discuss further
[13:23] <rbasak> OK. Thanks!
[13:23] <teward> you're welcome, i just wanted to give you the heads up :)
[13:23] <teward> rbasak: http://trac.nginx.org/nginx/roadmap  <-- roadmap for the 1.9 milestone
[13:25] <rbasak> Hmm. Based on that 1.9 will just miss our next LTS.
[13:25] <teward> rbasak: well, i don't trust the milestone date there
[13:25] <teward> because of their news statement...
[13:25] <teward> 2015-04-28: nginx-1.9.0 mainline version has been released, with the stream module for generic TCP proxying and load balancing.
[13:25] <rbasak> Ah
[13:25] <teward> (from http://nginx.org/.  http://nginx.org/en/download.html shows that 1.9.0 is available)
[13:26] <teward> rbasak: i think that's the date the milestone expires, not the date it's absolutely needed by.
[13:27] <teward> rbasak: nginx has always provided both versions... one for 'stable' (not many new features, althoug hwhatever was in 1.7.x is now in 1.8.x), and one for 'mainline' which is cutting edge features
[13:27] <teward> (it's an in-development release, but AFAICT it *does* work 'stable'ishly
[13:27] <teward> )
[13:27] <teward> (trust me, triaging for these versions is a headache sometimes... >.<)
[13:41] <ebonics> anyone know offhand what happens when you run out of memory or disk space while tarring something. like does it delete the temp file
[13:51] <patdk-wk> what tempfile?
[13:51] <patdk-wk> tar shouldn't be making a tempfile
[14:01] <teward> rbasak: this is the response from my contact @ Debian: "We stick with mainline in testing until freeze and then we stick with that version. The hope is to bump versions one time after freeze to stable and release a new debian stable with the current nginx stable"
[15:01] <frickler> jamespage: would you have time to look at https://github.com/ceph/ceph/pull/4353? this is blocking http://tracker.ceph.com/issues/11388 which you already fixed for Ubuntu, but it would be great if that could also be fixed upstream
[15:02] <jkyle> could someone let me know what the equivalent of the linux-headers-server package is in 15.04?
[15:03] <patdk-wk> same as it was on 14.04
[15:03] <patdk-wk> there is no -server for awhile now
[15:03] <patdk-wk> I think it went away in 12.04
[15:04] <ronator> if in doubt, use 'aptitude search foobar'
[15:04] <patdk-wk> is your kernel in /boot called -server?
[15:04] <patdk-wk> likely, only -generic
[15:19] <jkyle> patdk-wk: My installation script isn't finding the package
[15:19] <jkyle> by that name
[15:19] <jkyle> also looks like some preseed options have changed
[15:19] <patdk-wk> the package has not existed since before 14.04
[15:19] <patdk-wk> it was a meta package that just referenced -general instead
[15:19] <patdk-wk> since that reference hasn't been needed for upgrades, it's gone
[15:21] <jkyle> ah, ok, I see, linux-headers-server is marked "transitional" in 14.04
[15:21] <jkyle> I'll switch my scripts over
[15:38] <jkyle> alright, there we go, now I just have to figure out how to automatically install grub into the MBR in the new preseed for 15.04
[19:31] <_2_misstiababy> hi
[19:38] <Vexena> Have anyone used Plesk before? I don't have a apache server running but I got a license for Plesk together with my VPS. I wonder if I could use Plesk for example to restart my teamspeak server?
[19:39] <Vexena> Or is this only to monitor, restart,... web hosting processes such as apache, nginx, ...?
[19:40] <sarnold> I have a strong dislike for web-based admin panels, I'm going to guess that they are the second most common route for attackers to gain access to systems (after ssh password bruteforce)
[19:40] <Vexena> I agree with that, but it's so tempting to use :)
[19:40] <Vexena> As I would like to be able to control my server from distance with my phone incase something goes wrong
[19:50] <tflgen2> Question: just set up ltsp-pnp on a 14.04 box and I was wondering if there was a way to have the pxebooted clients search for their specific config file (I'd like only specifed mac addresses to be able to boot to ltsp. All others should boot from local HDD) So far, even with the correct aa-bb-cc-dd-ee-ff file, the client always gets default config. Any ideas?
[21:23] <swizgard> hi. any advice on getting rid of dnsmasq here?
[21:23] <swizgard> or even a good reading resource would be nice as i don't get how all these things (dhclient, network-manager, dnsmasq, etc.) play together in ubuntu
[21:26] <spyridonas> Hello guys , i try to make a website work on my apache , both apache2 runs as www-data user and the folder is under www-data user/group but php can't write. Whats wrong with that? :/
[21:37] <spyridonas> echo shell_exec("whoami"); says www-data
[21:38] <spyridonas> folder is www-data group,user with 777 , still cant' write...
[21:38] <Patrickdk> so?
[21:38] <Patrickdk> did you check apparmor?
[21:39] <Patrickdk> dmesg?
[21:39] <spyridonas> i dont have apparmor
[21:39] <spyridonas> and dmesh
[21:39] <spyridonas> and dmesg
[21:39] <Patrickdk> heh?
[21:39] <Patrickdk> EVERYONE has dmesg
[21:40] <spyridonas> oh wait
[21:40] <spyridonas> how i check if apparmor is installed?
[21:40] <Patrickdk> if apparmor is an issue, it would be logged in dmesg
[21:40] <Patrickdk> if apparmor was active, it would also be in there
[21:40] <jjohansen> spyridonas: sudo aa-status
[21:41] <Patrickdk> or, someone that knows more :)
[21:41] <spyridonas> oh well i guess i have it installed then
[21:41] <spyridonas> but apache is not on the rules thing
[21:42] <spyridonas>  5 processes are in enforce mode.    /usr/bin/freshclam (2070)    /usr/sbin/clamd (1953)    /usr/sbin/mysqld (1130)    /usr/sbin/named (1105)    /usr/sbin/ntpd (2837)
[21:42] <jjohansen> Patrickdk: is correct in that if apparmor is denying something it should be logging it to dmesg, and /var/log/syslog
[21:42] <ebonics> does anyone know if there's a difference in the way some ssh commands are piped back to the ssh client from sshd
[21:42] <bekks> ?
[21:42] <bekks> difference in the way compared to what?
[21:43] <ebonics> like fundamentally. i'm using a "session" to send a command. say "ls" and it returns a single string with the output for that command
[21:43] <ebonics> but when i do something like "du"  i just get read errors
[21:44] <bekks> Which doesnt mean the ssh session is the issue.
[21:45] <ebonics> which is why i'm asking :( cause i can't think of what it could be
[21:46] <bekks> open a terminal, ssh to the remote host, run du.
[21:46] <ebonics> bekks, it works fine
[21:46] <Patrickdk> can the command run without a pty?
[21:46] <Patrickdk> did you tell ssh to use a pty?
[21:47] <Patrickdk> or did you mean actually ssh to the other machine and run it?
[21:47] <Patrickdk> ssh user@remote du
[21:47] <ebonics> Patrickdk, i am sshing to another machine and running it.
[21:47] <Patrickdk> is different from ssh user@remote, then run du
[21:47] <ebonics> but i have the ability to request a pty
[21:47] <spyridonas> jjohansen: i disabled apparmor, apache still can't write on folder...
[21:47] <ebonics> i do the latter Patrickdk
[21:48] <ebonics> i don't know if pty is necessary for du, that's definitely a possibility
[21:48] <bekks> So try it.
[21:48] <Patrickdk> works with and without pty
[21:48] <bekks> Thats what I told you :)
[21:48] <jjohansen> spyridonas: well then its definitely not apparmor
[21:49] <Patrickdk> your issue is clearly not ssh :)
[21:49] <spyridonas> jjohansen: apache2 whoami says www-data
[21:49] <ebonics> Patrickdk, i' m not "blaming" ssh, i just think i'm not understanding
[21:49] <Patrickdk> are acl's enabled?
[21:49] <jjohansen> spyridonas: I assume you have checked DAC permission
[21:49] <spyridonas> jjohansen: /var/www says www-data (user-group)
[21:49] <spyridonas> jjohansen: permissions are on 777
[21:50] <jjohansen> right
[21:50] <spyridonas> jjohansen: (temporary)
[21:50] <bekks> 777 on /var/www is pretty safe way for shooting injuries in your knees.
[21:51] <jjohansen> spyridonas: hrmmm other so other things that could be blocking it, are how its mounted, seccomp
[21:51] <jjohansen> apache could be failing it self because of 777
[21:51] <spyridonas> well since 777 can't write i dont think any kind of injuries is possible
[21:52] <jjohansen> I'm not sure
[21:52] <Patrickdk> I have my suexec disable itself on world writable
[21:52] <Patrickdk> not sure what stock apache does
[21:53] <spyridonas> the specific error is about unziping (does php have other user/permissions than apache?)
[21:54] <spyridonas> error] PHP Warning:  ZipArchive::extractTo(): Permission denied in /var/wwwl/testshop/classes/Tools.php on line 2548
[21:54] <ebonics> ops Patrickdk it was because i wasn't waiting for the command to complete. ls just happens to return gaster
[21:54] <ebonics> faster*
[21:55] <Patrickdk> heh?
[21:55] <Patrickdk> /var/www != /var/wwwl
[21:55] <Patrickdk> ebonics, maybe a pmtu issue?
[21:56] <spyridonas> yeah i typed l somehow here >_<;
[21:57] <ebonics> Patrickdk, not in this case, but i think that could very well be a problem later on
[21:57] <ebonics> when i start using scp protocol
[21:57] <Patrickdk> well, it would affect everything
[21:57] <Patrickdk> if you have mtu issue, blocking icmp, ..., causing pmtu to break
[21:57] <Patrickdk> it's noticable cause like when doing du, or ls
[21:57] <Patrickdk> anything large, suddently, it stops
[21:58] <Patrickdk> unless you have pmtu blackhole detection enabled
[21:58] <ebonics> Patrickdk, i don't know what that is. but what's the solution? chunk the response packets?
[21:59] <Patrickdk> what kind of internet connection is it on?
[21:59] <ebonics> TCP
[21:59] <Patrickdk> or, what is it's ip address?
[21:59] <Patrickdk> tcp is a protocol
[21:59] <ebonics> what do you mean
[21:59] <Patrickdk> is it reachable publically?
[21:59] <Patrickdk> that ssh host?
[21:59] <ebonics> Patrickdk, no
[22:00] <Patrickdk> well, try installing tracepath
[22:00] <Patrickdk> and running it against the ssh host
[22:00] <Patrickdk> and see
[22:00] <Patrickdk> if both are on the same local network
[22:00] <Patrickdk> your mtu's should likely be 1500
[22:00] <Patrickdk> and you shouldn't have this issue
[22:00] <Patrickdk> it's normally when going over the internet, and expecially if one side is on dsl
[22:00] <Patrickdk> this issue will crop up
[22:01] <Patrickdk> or if you use a vpn
[22:01] <ebonics> Patrickdk, is there a solution, assuming it is a problem?
[22:01] <ebonics> and yes i am on a vpn
[22:01] <Patrickdk> yes, just properly configuring the vpn correctly :)
[22:01] <Patrickdk> and not blocking icmp
[22:02] <ebonics> Patrickdk, i'm not sure if this is my problem though
[22:02] <ebonics> when i wait for the response then du works
[22:02] <ebonics> i thought you were talking about max packet sizes over ssh
[22:02] <Patrickdk> I am
[22:02] <Patrickdk> but normally ssh packets are tiny
[22:03] <Patrickdk> but when you run du, ls, ..., that will make larger packets
[22:03] <Patrickdk> and you will notice pmtu issues
[22:03] <Patrickdk> same for scp
[22:03] <Patrickdk> or http
[22:03] <Patrickdk> I'm not saying this IS your problem, but it sounds close
[22:04] <ebonics> so Patrickdk i guess i would just need to read the ssh manpage
[22:04] <ebonics> the solution would be to understand how ssh handles pmtu i guess
[22:07] <Patrickdk> it doesn't
[22:07] <Patrickdk> tcp does
[22:08] <Patrickdk> or rather, ip does
[23:26] <grendal_prime> hey im creating a ln to a usb->serial adapter for a wine application. It works fine untell i reboot.
[23:27] <grendal_prime> so..as the user i run ln -s /dev/ttyUSB0 ~/.wine/dosdevices/com1 and everything works fine. application can get access to the com port. Then after i reboot i have to destroy the link and recreate it.
[23:28] <grendal_prime> whhat would cause that.
[23:28] <grendal_prime> ?
[23:32] <bekks> the fact that the inode of the device in /dev/ is changing this is linux, not UNIX.
[23:32] <bekks> Easy workaround: create an entry in /etc/rc.local with full paths
[23:32] <grendal_prime> oh
[23:33] <grendal_prime> sorry for my ignorance
[23:33] <bekks> In linux, nowadays, /dev/ is a dynamic FS, thats why it is changing
[23:33] <grendal_prime> sooooo...basically if i use a full path when i create it....well will that fix it?
[23:33] <sarnold> I'm surprised it fails
[23:34] <bekks> if you are using something like /usr/bin/ls -sf /dev/... /home/user/... ---- then yes.
[23:34] <sarnold> it makes me wonder if wine is checking the lstat of each link and ignoring symlinks older than dev entries or osmething to try to workaround the linux dynamic /dev
[23:34] <bekks> It isnt wine which is checking that.
[23:35] <grendal_prime> it is wine could be a half a dozen problems
[23:35] <bekks> And since the symlink resides outside of /dev/, its age is irrelevant.
[23:36] <bekks> Some more sophisticated way would be creating a script in the initrd which recreates the symlink.
[23:36] <bekks> But thats more a headshot than a simple workaround.
[23:36] <grendal_prime> so exact syntax to creat the ln would be ... ln -s /dev/ttyUSB0 /home/myuser/.wine/dosdevices/com1
[23:37] <bekks> Nope.
[23:37] <bekks>  /where/is/ls ...
[23:37] <bekks> Dont assume you have any sort of $PATH in /etc/rc.local
[23:37] <grendal_prime> have to have the /usr/bin/ls ...im confused
[23:38] <bekks> Why are you confused?
[23:40] <grendal_prime> ok so basically because its not being created on system boot it is pointing to an inode that no longer exists...
[23:40] <grendal_prime> that is what i sounds like your saying
[23:40] <bekks> correct.
[23:41] <grendal_prime> ok, so if i create a boot up script that just deletes it and then creates it..that should do the trick right?
[23:42] <bekks> thats what /full/path/to/ln -sf ... does.
[23:43] <grendal_prime> oh see thats what confused me
[23:43] <grendal_prime> in your post you put ls no ln
[23:43] <grendal_prime> i was not understanding how ls would do that.
[23:44] <bekks> So take "ln" then.
[23:44] <grendal_prime> alright ill give it a shot.
[23:44] <grendal_prime> i need to add that to a initrd job though.
[23:47] <bekks> Why? :)
[23:47] <bekks> Dont you have a sane OS? :)
[23:47] <bekks> wine doesnt start before /etc/rc.local
[23:47] <bekks> So you can do that in /etc/rc.local
[23:47] <grendal_prime> im using ..well on that machine it is using linuxmint
[23:48] <grendal_prime> oh ok or there
[23:48] <grendal_prime> except ln is not in /usr/bin/
[23:48] <grendal_prime> hmm
[23:50] <bekks> "which ln".
[23:53] <grendal_prime> ok i need to put this into rc.local  /usr/bin/ln -sf /dev/ttyUSB0 /home/user/.wine/dosdevices/com1
[23:53] <grendal_prime> but, ln is not located in that dir.
[23:54] <grendal_prime> basically looking for the absolute path to ln executable.
[23:55] <grendal_prime> maybe im going about it the wrong way
[23:59] <grendal_prime> im gonna give it a shot without the full path


[10:22] <ricotz> hello :), it seeems to x86 autopkgtests are processed quite slowly?
[10:30] <cjwatson> ricotz: Launchpad doesn't deal with autopkgtests
[10:32] <ricotz> cjwatson, I see, so #ubuntu-release
[10:32] <cjwatson> probably
[10:33] <ricotz> thx


[11:42] <pellefant66_> Hi, I have a problem with adobe flash for firefox
[11:44] <pellefant66_> Firefox crashes when I try to run flash
[11:46] <pellefant66_> Works  on chromium


[00:13] <penguin42> gah getting lp oops's
[09:38] <njin> hallo, I've updated lucid to precise, but I've missed my desktop background, who is responsible for that, gcc overwriting the existents without saving it ?
[09:43] <njin> the background is present but is not the one that i've choosed, only a solid color is now
[17:22] <jtaylor> whats the way an upstream author can get access to private crash reports? join bug control?
[17:43] <TheLordOfTime> jtaylor:  i *think* so, but i'm not sure, micahg or one of the other bugcontrollers would know
[17:43] <TheLordOfTime> perhaps hggdh would know :P
[17:43] <micahg> jtaylor: yeah, they have to join bug control for that
[17:43] <micahg> jtaylor: someone has to vouch for them
[17:46] <LoT> well fat lot of good that was
[17:47] <LoT> my ZNC crashed :/
[19:35] <xnox> jtaylor: what bug # are you after?
[19:35] <xnox> jtaylor: or which package?
[19:36] <jtaylor> wakeup
[19:36] <jtaylor> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wakeup/+bug/1040213
[19:36] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1040213 in wakeup "Request for new upstream version 1.3 upgrade" [Undecided,New]
[19:37] <TheLordOfTime> jtaylor:  what'd you want done to that bug?
[19:37] <xnox> jtaylor: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wakeup/+bugs
[19:37] <xnox> please check the three crashes.
[19:38] <jtaylor> nothing, author just asked how to get access to crash reports and I didn't know
[19:38] <xnox> jtaylor: all are now public, there are no other private bugs
[19:38] <jtaylor> < motu
[19:38] <TheLordOfTime> jtaylor:  yeah you'd need bugcontrol
[19:38] <xnox> jtaylor: one sec.
[19:38] <micahg> xnox: you can also subscribe the author if you think they're responsible enough to not divulge information (or review the crashes yourself for private information and make public if appropriate)
[19:38] <TheLordOfTime> ^
[19:39] <xnox> jtaylor: there was a fast track for upstreams.
[19:39] <micahg> err...jtaylor ^
[19:39] <TheLordOfTime> is the wiki imploding?
[19:39] <TheLordOfTime> its returning 500s
[19:39] <xnox> jtaylor:  Requirement 4 can be waived if you are an upstream developer or bug triager or if a Ubuntu developer vouches for you (your triaging ability).
[19:39] <xnox> jtaylor: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl
[19:39] <jtaylor> so there is no per package crash report viewing?
[19:39] <TheLordOfTime> jtaylor:  not that i know of.
[19:40] <micahg> jtaylor: not yet, maybe some day :)
[19:41] <TheLordOfTime> i was going to post about that for that bug, but i cant see LP now
[19:41]  * TheLordOfTime blames broken stuff
[19:46] <TheLordOfTime> ah, there we go.
[19:49] <xnox> jtaylor: nah, that would stress LP permissions model way too much.
[19:49] <TheLordOfTime> that's what the LP admins said :p