[00:09] <acheronuk> clive wanted to at one point. did not gain much support
[03:38] <MichaelTunnell> interesting
[03:39] <valorie> Clive wanted it, but didn't want to do the programming -- and neither did anybody else
[03:40] <valorie> it probably could be forked from Mate..... if we wanted it
[03:48] <MichaelTunnell> I understand. It would be cool to have but not vital. I wonder how much work it would be to use kdialog and scripts instead.
[04:12] <valorie> about that I have no clue
 About the welcome center, I can take that project.
 I've been working with Budgie on the concept for something.
[04:32] <valorie> do you think we need it?
[04:33] <valorie> I would find it annoying
[04:33] <valorie> but maybe newcomers would like it
 For newcomers, yeah.
 I'd find it to be good.
[04:36] <MichaelTunnell> I think it would be very helpful for beginners because it is essentially an OEM style setup without relying solely on the OEM approach. It also provides a "let's start here" place.
 Right.
[04:37] <valorie> cool
[04:37] <MichaelTunnell> it would be annoying to experienced users maybe but they can just dismiss it once and ignore it forever :)
[07:20] <ricktimmis[m]> I really think we should introduce a welcome centre. We really need to take every opportunity to grow our community.
[07:22] <acheronuk> I'm sure I agreed last time, but it did not get taken up. I am for it, as long as it is genuinely useful.
[07:24] <acheronuk> As far as I recall there is no prohibition from introducing new packages into an LTS release, even after we ship the .0, so maybe this is something that could arrive in the .1?
[08:18] <ricktimmis[m]> OK, sounds great, I be happy to help on this, perhaps with content, suggestions, testing etc..
[08:21] <ricktimmis[m]> @tsimonq2 hope your feeling better. happy to help work on welcome centre with you.
 @acheronuk, New packages in a stable release gets *weird*, and I haven't done it before, so it should be fine.
[10:31] <ricktimmis[m]> @MichaelTunnell are you planning to do a review / expose about the release on Tuxdigital ?
[10:39] <mparillo> For a welcome page, a key is to have an option to turn it off at startup. https://github.com/manjaro/manjaro-hello has a slider in the lower right for Launch at start, but new KDE users may not realize the upstream default is to restore all programs at start.
[10:40] <mparillo> https://imgur.com/a/A3Hfq
[10:42] <ricktimmis[m]> That's an excellent idea
[10:43] <tsimonq2> Right.
[10:43] <tsimonq2> But, do note that manjaro-hello is based off of GTK.
[10:43] <ricktimmis[m]> Creating a welcome page gives us the chance to co-ordinate or channels of communication.
[10:43] <tsimonq2> Right, I totally see the use for it.
[10:43] <ricktimmis[m]> How about a plasmoid
[10:43] <tsimonq2> -1
[10:44] <ricktimmis[m]> That would give the user the ability to just remove it
[10:44] <tsimonq2> My goal in working with Budgie (and ofc Lubuntu) is so that we can create one codebase and one frontend with different text.
[10:44] <ricktimmis[m]> OK, what about a welcome activity ?
[10:44] <tsimonq2> It should be a dialog, really.
[10:44] <ricktimmis[m]> They both QT based ?
[10:45] <tsimonq2> But both are Plasma-specific, which I want to avoid here.
[10:45] <ricktimmis[m]> Ummmm. I am not sure about dialog
[10:45] <tsimonq2> Well, window, you get what I mean.
[10:45] <ricktimmis[m]> We've often talked about promoting activities
[10:46] <ricktimmis[m]> Why avoid plasma ?
[10:46] <tsimonq2> So we can work with others.
[10:46] <tsimonq2> I'm not saying it can't work under Plasma, I'm just saying it shouldn't be Plasma-specific.
[10:46] <tsimonq2> It should be pure Qt code.
[10:46] <tsimonq2> And a window, similar to what MATE has.
[10:46] <ricktimmis[m]> Plasms, activities and plasmoids or core to kubuntu
[10:47] <tsimonq2> On the flipside of that, why create something *only* Kubuntu can enjoy?
[10:47] <tsimonq2> LXQt and Budgie don't and won't utilize those technologies.
[10:47] <tsimonq2> I'm not saying it can't be integrated.
[10:47] <ricktimmis[m]> OK, how could we approach it so as to enable plasma, but still make a shared viewable code base. For the other stuff ?
[10:47] <tsimonq2> But the core parts should be agnostic.
[10:48] <ricktimmis[m]> Ok, so we want the vie en components separate from the models and data
[10:48] <tsimonq2> My approach, should I work on this would be agnosticism first, then allow specific flavors to do what they'd like.
[10:48] <tsimonq2> Right, sort of.
[10:49] <ricktimmis[m]> Then we could interfaces with the data from a plasmoid, Lxde and budgie do their thing
[10:49] <tsimonq2> Exactly.
[10:49] <tsimonq2> I'll sprint with Dustin from Budgie at LFNW in < 2 weeks.
[10:50] <tsimonq2> (Like I planned to before. :) )
[10:50] <ricktimmis[m]> OK what about a qml front end
[10:50] <tsimonq2> It depends on what Dustin is familiar with, as I'd like one person from each flavor to be able to work on it without "language barriers"
[10:51] <ricktimmis[m]> OK, well maybe you guys to consider the vie component in the context of us wrapping it in a plasmoid
[10:51] <tsimonq2> OK
[10:51] <ricktimmis[m]> I'd be c willing to work on a plasmoid wrapper
[10:51] <tsimonq2> OK
[10:52] <ricktimmis[m]> Let me know how you get on and give me a nudge when you think I could do in and help
[10:52] <tsimonq2> Sure.
[12:06] <ricktimmis[m]> If you  have a shared working repo, on Phab, Launchpad etc.. please let me know, and I can take a look
[12:09] <tsimonq2> OK
[13:51] <MichaelTunnell> ricktimmis[m]: not only am I doing a video for Kubuntu 18.04, I am also making a promo video for the release that Kubuntu can use to promote all the great stuff with the release.
[14:26] <ricktimmis[m]> Oh that is Awesome @MichaelTunnell I can't wait to see what you put together.
 valorie: Did you get bad snow like we did last night?
 An inch an hour all night, probably a good 14 hours!
 And it's starting up again tonight, ughh
[16:09] <MichaelTunnell> ricktimmis[m]: :) me too
[16:10] <MichaelTunnell> I plan to do a Kubuntu promo video that is similar to the Plasma release videos I've been doing. I also am going to make a video for Kubuntu 18.04 that is an on-camera "so here is what is coming and how I was involved in it" type of video
[20:02] <valorie> snow! heck no
[20:02] <valorie> rain here
[20:02] <valorie> https://cukic.co/2018/04/14/plasma-vault-with-kde-connect-and-more/
[20:05] <valorie> for 18.10
[20:07] <tsimonq2> valorie: hah well I look forward to going to a place with NO SNOW!
[20:10] <valorie> we had a few inches of snow this winter
[20:10] <valorie> it was fun
[20:10] <valorie> but it never lasts
[20:12] <tsimonq2> hah
[20:12] <valorie> btw: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-November/010864.html and following
[20:13] <valorie> clive pointed out to me privately that he did fork code from Mint
[20:13] <tsimonq2> Ah
[20:13] <valorie> https://i.imgur.com/Pb7uCTj.jpg
[20:13] <valorie> I totally forgot about that
[20:13] <tsimonq2> I would like to work with others though.
[20:14] <valorie> agreed
[20:14] <tsimonq2> And Mint's codebases are horrible.
[20:14] <valorie> just wanted to make people aware that there has been some work done on this
[20:14] <valorie> and that there was pushback
[20:14] <valorie> which is why he stopped
[20:15] <tsimonq2> valorie: Only one person pushed back with historical context.
[20:16] <tsimonq2> I see no reason that it should block further progress, however.
[20:16] <valorie> Clive was somewhat conflict-averse
[20:16] <valorie> I think pushback just tends to make ideas better
 I think doing it in QML and Qt would be best.
 Python as well.
[20:47] <MichaelTunnell> I think pushback is needed for innovation
 Sorry for being blunt, but you won't be the one writing it? :)
 @MichaelTunnell, Right
[20:47] <tsimonq2> It'll be with Qt
[20:48] <MichaelTunnell> tsimonq2: you should write it in COBOL
[20:48] <tsimonq2> MichaelTunnell: Naw, Fortran.
[20:48] <MichaelTunnell> fair
[20:48] <tsimonq2> I hear there's Qt bindings!
[20:48] <MichaelTunnell> I wouldnt be surprised .. . .programming can be weird
[20:49]  * acheronuk looks up his old fortran stuff
[20:49] <tsimonq2> :D
[20:49] <valorie> I have a friend who makes a living with COBOL
[20:49] <valorie> in France
[20:50] <valorie> for banks and insurance firms
[20:50] <tsimonq2> hah
[20:50] <valorie> lol
[20:51] <acheronuk> who is emailing about out LTS status?
[20:51]  * tsimonq2 pokes valorie
[20:51] <tsimonq2> GPG sign it please.
[20:51] <valorie> oh
[20:52] <valorie> maybe I can do that.....
[20:52] <valorie> right now, talking with said french friend
[20:52] <valorie> in a bit I will investigate
[21:02] <acheronuk> https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/8c4m07/kde_and_ubuntu/
[21:02] <acheronuk> good comments
[21:03] <tsimonq2> \o/
[21:03] <tsimonq2> Oooh, peruse was just accepted into Debian. \o/
[21:03] <valorie> weeeeeeeeeeeeee
[21:03] <valorie> thanks so much for everyone who worked on that
[21:03] <valorie> looooong process!
[21:04] <tsimonq2> Meh, it was mostly just me procrastinating ;)
[21:04] <acheronuk> silly bit of code
[21:04] <tsimonq2> Imeanwhat
[21:04] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: True
[21:04] <acheronuk> one lib. so much debate
[21:04] <acheronuk> so a *bleep* leaf package. sigh
[21:05] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: Are you thinking this is latte-dock? :)
[21:06] <acheronuk> argh. no. but that was another!
[21:06] <tsimonq2> hah
[21:06] <tsimonq2> Well with this one, upstream doesn't know how to do library management correctly.
[21:06] <tsimonq2> And poor tsimonq2 never had to deal with improper upstream library management.
[21:06] <tsimonq2> :P
[21:06] <acheronuk> elisa is being done. I looked at the wip packaging. O_o
[21:07] <valorie> does it work yet?
[21:07] <tsimonq2> Is it bad? :)
[21:07] <tsimonq2> A newbie packager took that one.
[21:07] <valorie> doesn't seem worthwhile to do until it works
[21:07] <tsimonq2> (Well, a new*er* packager)
[21:07] <acheronuk> valorie: it works. as much as a preview release might
[21:08] <valorie> to like, play music?
[21:08] <acheronuk> valorie: it is in here: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/experimental
[21:08] <acheronuk> it plays it
[21:09] <tsimonq2> peruse> Ah, and ofc lamby files an RC bug against it. Sigh. :P
[21:09] <tsimonq2> Debian bug 895699
[21:09] <tsimonq2> No bot in here? O_O
[21:09] <tsimonq2> bugs.debian.org/895699
[21:09] <valorie> we're still not registered correctly
[21:10] <acheronuk> elisa plays music. just the UI is still more about looking nice. not so good with funtion
[21:10] <valorie> didn't vish sign the fla assigning the ev rights to his code attribution?
[21:10] <valorie> hmmm
[21:11] <valorie> he did: https://ev.kde.org/rules/fla.php
[21:12] <tsimonq2> "Copyright assignment is a personal act. It is entirely optional and at an individual developer, contributor or copyright holder's discretion whether to assign copyright to KDE e.V. or not."
[21:13] <tsimonq2> "Valorie Zimmermann (1.3.4)"
[21:13] <tsimonq2> They spelled your name wrong, valorie. :P
[21:19] <valorie> ha
[21:20] <valorie> I think the FLA spells out that if copyright needs to be changed and the person can't be contacted the FLA kicks in
[21:20] <valorie> anyway


[05:29] <coolbhavi> hi wendar
[05:30] <coolbhavi> I am extremely sorry for the version mismatch that happened
[05:30] <coolbhavi> wrt lintian
[17:41] <wendar> missed him :(
[17:41] <wendar> stuff happens, no worries. I'll email him


[19:39] <Peace-> mauybe 2 different audio card...
[19:39] <Bonster> same one
[19:40] <Peace-> different version...
[19:40] <Peace-> different settings?
[19:40] <Peace-> a lots of stuff you could get
[19:40] <Peace-> but recordmydekstop has a bug like i have posted before
[19:40] <Bonster> then like i said 2 different things
[19:41] <Peace-> stuff
[19:41] <Peace-> no time right now
[19:49] <craftyquack> does any one know how to install KDE 4.4 RC on KDE 4.3
[19:49] <craftyquack> i mean PPA for KDE 4.4 RC
[19:49] <Kolia> wait a few hours i guess?
[19:50] <craftyquack> hmmm
[19:50] <Bonster> did they fix the nepomuk search?
[19:52] <Kolia> Bonster: ?
[19:52] <Peace-> here nepomuck works
[19:52] <craftyquack> i don't know
[19:52] <shadeslayer> Peace-: :o
[19:52] <Peace-> just a little fix to do bu it works
[19:52] <shadeslayer> Peace-: on 4.4 beta 1?
[19:53] <Peace-> kde 4.3.4
[19:53] <Peace-> http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2009/09/11/nepomuck-and-stringi-kubuntu-9-10-strigi-service-failed-to-initialize-most-likely-due-to-an-installation-problem/
[19:53] <shadeslayer> Peace-: ah that old problem ><
[19:53] <kriss3d> uhmm anyone here using virtualbox ? im having problems starting a machine
[19:53] <Peace-> ok :D
[19:53] <Peace-> kriss3d: which version ?
[19:53] <Peace-> 9.10?
[19:54] <kriss3d> it says 3.0.8 in the virtualbox version
[19:54] <kriss3d> OSE
[19:54] <Peace-> :) ok
[19:54] <kriss3d> when i try to start a machine it gives me the error of missing the kernel drivers.. and it tells me to install the Virtualbox-ose-source package
[19:55] <apparle> Peace-: but my RAM usage goes up slowly by 400MB when neopmunk is rnning
[19:55] <kriss3d> after doing so (via the kpackagemanager) it still gives me same error
[19:55] <Peace-> kriss3d: i guess you need to add the module on the kernel
[19:55] <Peace-> i try to remember
[19:56] <kriss3d> uhmm thats one of the things i havent ever done before.. at least i dont think i have
[19:56] <Peace-> kriss3d: have you upgraded ?
[19:56] <Peace-> or changed something in these days?
[19:56] <Peace-> lsmod | grep box
[19:56] <Bonster> anyone got this? http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9012/imageprw.jpg
[19:56] <kriss3d> hang on
[19:57] <Bonster> doesnt seems to have virtuoso in the repos
[19:57] <Peace-> Bonster: i think i have seen in some machine
[19:57] <Peace-> but i have not tested really well
[19:57] <kriss3d> Peace-:  doing a lsmod | grep box dont return anything
[19:57] <Peace-> kriss3d: yea you need of the module
[19:57] <Peace-> !virtualbox
[19:58] <Izinucs> Is there an installed or available tool to adjust the "tap" sensitivity of a laptop's touchpad?
[19:58] <kriss3d> ty
[19:58] <Bonster> get the vbox from the site is better
[19:58] <Kolia> Bonster: libvirtuoso? librdf?
[19:59] <Kolia> Bonster: libvirtuoso4, librdf0  Dunno if it will make the trick though.
[20:00] <kriss3d> Bonster:  well i just used the kpackagekit and got it from there
[20:00] <Peace-> kriss3d: try this sudo modprobe vboxdrv
[20:00] <Peace-> kriss3d: that could be enought
[20:00] <kriss3d> Peace-:  it doesnt return anything
[20:01] <Peace-> kriss3d: yea i know try to start virtualbxo
[20:01] <Bonster> Kolia, yea i dont got libvirtuoso, u have it in urs?
[20:02] <Kolia> Bonster: sorry i mixed it up with libsoprano4 :/
[20:02] <Kolia> no libvirtuoso
[20:02] <Kolia> Bonster: librdf installed?
[20:02] <Bonster> kriss3d, ppl usually use this vbox http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[20:03] <Bonster> Kolia, yea i got that install
[20:03] <Guest94155> Helo
[20:03] <kriss3d> ty.. i was advised to add the repo first then try reinstalling..
[20:03] <kriss3d> aparently im missing some files which means a busted install
[20:04] <Kolia> Bonster: try asking on #kde
[20:04] <Guest94155> can I put my actual ubuntu ( with the programas etc...) on a ISO and install it into an other computer?
[20:04] <Bonster> Kolia, did they told me to go away
[20:04] <human_> I have local network with two kubuntu with apache+php+mysql and it works, but i cannot start sound on youtube at one of our comps
[20:04] <Kolia> Bonster: classic :)
[20:05] <Bonster> Kolia, yea im use to it
[20:05] <Kolia> well wait a bit, there must be someone able to help you
[20:05] <Izinucs> What happened to the ksynaptics tool for touchpad adjustments?  gsynaptics is still in main :(
[20:05] <Bonster> Kolia, does the search works for u tho?
[20:06] <Kolia> yep
[20:06] <Kolia> on 4.3.4 at least
[20:06] <Kolia> not checked in trunk
[20:14] <PerSeL> hello
[20:14] <PerSeL> I have a question
[20:14] <PerSeL> how do i install sh file?
[20:15] <Bonster> usually right click on it
[20:15] <Bonster> and allow executing
[20:16] <Bonster> then double click and it runs
[20:16] <PerSeL> ahh k
[20:16] <PerSeL> ;)
[20:17] <Bonster> same goes for other bin exe ..etc
[20:17] <Dekans> Bonster: exe are often widows binaries
[20:17] <Dekans> not linux
[20:17] <Bonster> yea i no
[20:17] <PerSeL> windows i know
[20:18] <PerSeL> i don't know kubuntu at all
[20:18] <PerSeL> :)
[20:18] <Bonster> but some requires permission also
[20:18] <PerSeL> guys what are the dif between the mind and kubuntu?
[20:18] <PerSeL> sry i mean mandvira
[20:19] <PerSeL> or it's mandvira or... lol
[20:19] <Bonster> man diva
[20:19] <PerSeL> i just know it isn't free
[20:19] <apparle> PerSeL: :D
[20:19] <PerSeL> but they both use kde
[20:20] <PerSeL> I just know that ubuntu is always updated from the server
[20:20] <Bonster> im guessing is debian/ red hat differences
[20:20] <PerSeL> well to be true I don't know them :)
[20:21] <Bonster> rpm vs deb
[20:21] <apparle> PerSeL: I read somewhere in a review its not that good...... the gui looks poor.... but I have not tried
[20:21] <Bonster> isnt OpenSuse the best KDE right now tho?
[20:22] <PerSeL> i just ubuntu is the easiest with drivers
[20:22] <PerSeL> because I tried it
[20:22] <PerSeL> I don't know how it goes with others
[20:22] <PerSeL> that's why I'm asking
[20:23] <Bonster> havent use the others
[20:23] <Bonster> them think they use yum
[20:23] <Bonster> instead of apt
[20:23] <soheyl> sh ./filename.sh
[20:24] <soheyl> ^^
[20:24] <apparle> PerSeL: I started on linux with kubuntu and am still using it..... I have  tried some other live CDs but I think kubuntu is the best
[20:24] <apparle> Bonster: depends on how you see it....... I don't like someone messing with the default look ........ also I love debian packaging
[20:25] <PerSeL> well i tried some bsd, some other unknown stuff, also ubuntu, never tried kubuntu, opensuse, mandriva,
[20:25] <FireCrotch> I've had an interesting phenomenon happening lately... quassel tries to send msgs to random nicks - most recent was "OMFG51995" and "OMFG59679"
[20:26] <FireCrotch> Not quite sure what is going on there
[20:26] <Bonster> apparle, is usually like that majority of the time
[20:27] <apparle> Bonster: :)
[20:34] <ngong> after upgrading disk had problems, fsck made it to be readable without errormessages, however, no data below my home directory is shown. Is there any recommendable recovery software for scanning the disk?
[20:39] <iconmefisto_> ngong: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery
[20:40] <Bonster> use livecd
[20:57] <doomuser5> http://alienscapeserver.darkbb.com/
[20:57] <doomuser5> http://alienscapeserver.darkbb.com/
[20:57] <doomuser5> http://alienscapeserver.darkbb.com/
[20:57] <FloodBotK1> doomuser5: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:00] <kaddi> i need help with kopete, anyone around?
[21:00] <kaddi> how do I join a group chat
[21:00] <apparle> guys how to setup dual monitors
[21:01] <apparle> !dual
[21:04] <iconmefisto_> !dualmonitor
[21:06] <apparle> !Xinerama
[21:06] <apparle> !dualhead
[21:06] <PerSeL> hello
[21:06] <PerSeL> again
[21:06] <PerSeL> I got 1 more question
[21:06] <PerSeL> how do i install nvidia driver?
[21:06] <PerSeL> it's .run
[21:07] <PerSeL> what I'm supposed to type in terminal?
[21:08] <happy_> PerSeL: you can install the nvidia driver with the restricted driver manager
[21:08] <iconmefisto_> have you tried installing from Hardware Drivers?
[21:09] <happy_> iconmefisto_: thats what I meant ^
[21:09] <happy_> lol
[21:09] <PerSeL> y
[21:09] <PerSeL> but there is nothing in the list
[21:09] <iconmefisto_> happy_: yeah you beat me to it
[21:09] <Izinucs> !ksynaptic
[21:10] <PerSeL> so how can I fix it?
[21:10] <PerSeL> i got 7300gt nvidia
[21:10] <iconmefisto_> !nvidia
[21:10] <PerSeL> just downloaded it from the official site
[21:11] <iconmefisto_> PerSeL: to run it type ./installer.run
[21:12] <Quintasan> hell no
[21:13] <Quintasan> PerSeL: you can install it via Jockey but you need to install jockey-gtk package because the KDE one somehow refues to work :S
[21:13] <iconmefisto_> PerSeL: you   can use jockey-text in CLI
[21:13] <genii> Theres also jockey-text , I believe
[21:15] <apparle> Quintasan: kde one works if you install the associated driver packages (like fglrx or nvidia-glx) and then use it just to activate the driver
[21:17] <PerSeL> well when I'm clicking on it i get nothing
[21:17] <PerSeL> and can't run it from terminal
[21:17] <PerSeL> well how can I install the driver :\
[21:18] <PerSeL> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/nvidia-glx-173
[21:18] <PerSeL> well my card it listed here
[21:19] <iconmefisto_> PerSeL: try  sudo jockey-text -C   does that find the driver?
[21:21] <PerSeL> no
[21:21] <PerSeL> there is no available graphics drivers for your system etc.. etc...
[21:21] <PerSeL> it's nvidia 7300 gt
[21:22] <iconmefisto_> are you running intrepid?
[21:22] <PerSeL> what is that?
[21:22] <PerSeL> I'm just installed kubuntu
[21:22] <PerSeL> cause I wanted to try it with 1 game
[21:23] <iconmefisto_> it's an old version of ubuntu. the link you gave above is for intrepid
[21:23] <PerSeL> but somewhy I get no driver installed for my graphic card
[21:23] <PerSeL> i use the last kubuntu
[21:23] <PerSeL> 9.10
[21:23] <PerSeL> just dled and installed
[21:24] <PerSeL> other comp got ubuntu and there is not prob with drivers
[21:24] <PerSeL> so kinda strange
[21:24] <PerSeL> can't i install the driver i just dled from nvidia?
[21:24] <titan_ark> I tried all day yesterday to get Kubuntu on my notebooka nd something or the other doesnt seem to work right
[21:24] <Kolia> PerSeL: have you tried to install from the "hardware driver" dialog instead?
[21:25] <iconmefisto_> PerSeL: maybe try what apparle said, install nvidia-glx-173 and then try to activate it with Hardware Drivers
[21:25] <Kolia> PerSeL: oh sorry you tried already.
[21:25] <PerSeL> i opened this hardware and i see nothing there
[21:25] <PerSeL> just a window with no possibility to press on any key
[21:26] <PerSeL> how do i install this glx 173?
[21:26] <PerSeL> sudo apt-get nvidia-glx-173?
[21:26] <iconmefisto_> yep
[21:27] <iconmefisto_> assuming that's the one for your card
[21:27] <iconmefisto_> apt-cache search nvidia-glx   will show you others
[21:27] <Kolia> 185 is newer
[21:28] <PerSeL> when I type sudo apt-get nvidia-glx-173
[21:28] <PerSeL> it writes me invalid nvidia-glx-173
[21:28] <soheyl> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-173
[21:29] <PerSeL> ahhh k running the install now... doing something there
[21:29] <PerSeL> numbers and text is running :)
[21:32] <emil> hi all
[21:32] <PerSeL> ok it did something
[21:32] <PerSeL> how do i know if it installed it?
[21:33] <PerSeL> i mean my driver card
[21:34] <emil> i've on my desktop some online stations,but i can't open them with amarok;why?
[21:35] <Kolia> PerSeL: alt+f2 -> start to type "Hardware.." to get the hardware drivers dialog
[21:35] <Kolia> it should be listed there now
[21:35] <Kolia> and maybe enabled. if not you can maybe activate it there
[21:36] <PerSeL> well now it found something in hardware drivers
[21:36] <PerSeL> so i'm installing the rec. one
[21:40] <BluesKaj> hmm, trying to figure out the /etc/network/interfaces settings for wifi rt2870 adapter/driver ...it's a toughy for the likes of me :)
[21:42] <BluesKaj> rt2870 is a ralink driver and there's not much documentation out there for setting up in  /etc/network/interfaces
[21:56] <michaeljwjr> Does anyone have a recommendation for video editing software that allows me to add captions and make titles and such. Kinda like Windows Movie Maker
[21:57] <apparle> michaeljwjr: I am not sure about features but kdenlive is a very good video editor
[21:57] <apparle> michaeljwjr: check the wesite
[21:58] <michaeljwjr> apparle: Thanks, installing it now
[21:59] <Nete> how to unistall konquerer?
[22:01] <matty3269> Nete: perhaps try sudo apt-get remove konqueror
[22:02] <matty3269> Nete: perhaps try sudo apt-get remove konquerer **
[22:03] <Nete> matty3269: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[22:03] <Nete> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[22:03] <matty3269> Nete: Do you have KPackageManager open?
[22:04] <Nete> No, adept
[22:04] <matty3269> Nete: ok close anything that will be using aptitude and try again.
[22:04] <Nete> matty3269: ok
[22:06] <Nete> matty3269: I retried removing it with Terminal. It says the package is not to be found.
[22:07] <Nete> matty3269: I'm trying to remove it because I'm having conflictions with firefox.
[22:08] <matty3269> Nete: just to make sure that it you have spelt it correct, it is konqueror
[22:08] <matty3269> Nete: I did spell it correct the first time but corrected myself wrongly, :)
[22:08] <Nete> matty3269: I did spell it wrong. LOL
[22:09] <matty3269> Nete: has it gone?
[22:09] <Nete> matty3269, Yes
[22:09] <Nete> Thanks
[22:09] <matty3269> Nete: yw
[22:11] <Xaositect_> perhaps anyone can suggest some foobar2000-like player? i don't feel like using amarok, though i wans some features like downloading/reading from tags lyrics / quick customizable search (facets in foobar)
[22:11] <Xaositect_> and customizable interface xD
[22:14] <matty3269> Xaositect_: are you a fan of iTunes? Im sure there is an app you can get that works very much like it
[22:15] <matty3269> Xaositect_: perhaps try songbird
[22:15] <Xaositect_> itunes. hmm not really. i just prefer ascetic interface..
[22:16] <Xaositect_> matty3269, ok, thanks... i'll check
[22:23] <Carlinha> hi! Alguém ai fala português?
[22:27] <Kolia> !pt | Carlinha
[22:46] <PerSeL> guys
[22:46] <PerSeL> if i'm in console
[22:46] <PerSeL> how do i restart comp?
[22:47] <soheyl> uff under ubuntu: sudo shutdown -h now ?
[22:47] <soheyl> ah dawn that is shutdown...
[22:47] <soheyl> sudo shutdown -r now
[22:48] <PerSeL> thnx
[22:52] <rudy> siemano
[22:52] <Guest18726> jest ktos z polski??
[22:52] <Mamarok> English, please!
[22:52] <Guest18726> anyone from poland?
[22:53] <maco> !pl
[22:53] <Guest18726> i just installed kubuntu 9.10 on my asus
[22:54] <Guest18726> it's great
[22:57] <Xaositect_> oO separate polish channel?
[22:57] <Kolia> why not?
[22:57] <Xaositect_> maybe i'll be lucky to find belarusian one xD
[22:57] <mauri> Im still continuing to receive this messegner when quassel starts "[NickServ] This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>."   help me please
[22:58] <coreyB> mauri,  did you register that nickname? if not, then you wont be able to use it
[22:58] <Xaositect_> lolyeah, 3 users
[22:58] <mauri> coreyB: but im writting here however
[22:59] <coreyB> mauri,  it changes the nick automatically within a minute
[22:59] <apparle> mauri: have you registered this nick?
[22:59] <mauri> apparle: i dont know
[23:00] <apparle> have you ever specified an email id or password here on IRC
[23:00] <mauri> apparle: no
[23:01] <mauri> apparle: im looking at
[23:01] <Mamarok> coreyB: it will only change it the owner is online
[23:01] <coreyB> ah
[23:01] <apparle> mauri: then you better choose a different username and you are going to come here frequently
[23:02] <coreyB> different from the other networks i suppose, Mamarok
[23:02] <mauri> apparle: okk
[23:03] <mauri> is someone tried the teletect with vlc?
[23:12] <mauri> has someone tried the teletect with vlc?
[23:14] <Xaositect_> err.... core error.... songbird can't play nor flac nor ogg nor mp3
[23:15] <Xaositect_> what am i doing wrong?... it's all ok with amarok
[23:19] <DexterF> hi
[23:20] <DexterF> after 804-910 upgrade my sounds seems a lot quieter than before, have to crank Master and PCM all the way up and still had to give my HiFi another notch.
[23:20] <DexterF> Any idea why?
[23:20] <DexterF> alsa, not pulse
[23:21] <crimsun> DexterF: which kernel are you using?
[23:22] <DexterF> 2.6.31-16-generic. crimsun
[23:22] <crimsun> DexterF: use http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh, please .
[23:23] <DexterF> crimsun: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=283d35eb875930ed00c5c7987c50305be2953d55
[23:25] <crimsun> DexterF: you need to increase you Wave* playback levels
[23:25] <crimsun> your Wave*, rather
[23:26] <DexterF> crimsun: what's it with the *? you mean all the Wave sliders? this is a 2.0 setup
[23:26] <DexterF> crimsun: DUH
[23:27] <DexterF> ok, thanks
[23:27] <DexterF> I totally neglected the "Wave" slider, thought "PCM" did that. Just wander what PCM is for then...
[23:27] <crimsun> the Tritech codec is completely screwed
[23:28] <DexterF> like how?
[23:28] <crimsun> well, the driver currently doesn't handle independent pcm volumes per-channel
[23:28] <crimsun> so PCM ties them all together based on certain register toggles
[23:28] <crimsun> IEC*
[23:29] <crimsun> if you're (un)lucky enough to have a 'Master', that really isn't a "master" so much as a "master front", and even then it isn't completely related to front because the IEC* controls affect it...
[23:29] <DexterF> are you a developer?
[23:30] <crimsun> (yes)
[23:30] <DexterF> thought so :)
[23:30] <DexterF> happen to know if the botched Terratec Cinergy .ko will be fixed in the next kernel update?
[23:31] <DexterF> had to compile v4l manually... at first didn't know where to start, so long since I ran a make menuconfig :)
[23:31] <crimsun> do you have a bug report I can reference?
[23:32] <DexterF> no, I just notived that it's a known issue.
[23:32] <DexterF> actually I now have 3 sliders that affect the final volume: Master, PCM and Wave. And "Wave" doesn't even appear in KMix, I only found that one in alsamixer...
[23:35] <DexterF> crimsun: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/490099  not limited to the T2 then, I guess
[23:37] <crimsun> DexterF: I don't think so; there isn't any usable debugging information. "It froze" and "it doesn't work" are pretty useless. :/
[23:38] <DexterF> guess I'll file a bug report.
[23:38] <crimsun> if that one matches your symptom and hardware precisely, just add to that bug report
[23:39] <crimsun> the lack of a backtrace or serial console output or anything, really, makes it pretty dead as a defect report
[23:40] <newbie123abc> how can i get KDE 4.4 RC1?
[23:40] <DexterF> bah, bugger, what am I saying - it's fixed here. wouldn't even know how to revert, after all it went in "make install".....
[23:41] <DexterF> newbie123abc: even better: at pearsoncomputing.com you can get KDE*3* packages! yay!
[23:41] <DexterF> [/bitter]
[23:42] <newbie123abc> DexterF: deb packages
[23:42] <DexterF> now for some Glenmorangie.
[23:43] <DexterF> newbie123abc: uh huh. but if you're as newbie as your nick suggestes don't let me throw you off the track, kde4 is official and getting the old kde3 in is only for people like me who think that kde4 is a step in the wrong direction, nowhere near ready and a usability catastrophy
[23:44] <newbie123abc> DexterF: ZZZzzZZZzzZZZzzz...
[23:56] <coreyB> hey Daughain  whats the thing to install to watch bought DVD's?
[23:57] <coreyB> anyone?


[00:00] <daftykins> nice discount on synology DS215j 2 bay NASs right now
[00:01] <daftykins> (on amazon)
[00:08] <popey> https://lists.debian.org/debian-bsd/2016/03/msg00103.html UbuntuBSD anyone? :)
[00:11] <diddledan> popey, whaaa?
[00:11] <popey> indeed
[00:12] <diddledan> the question is have they got copyright usage grant from canonical :-p
[00:13] <diddledan> I'd have called it BSDtutu
[00:13] <diddledan> because TUTUs!
[00:14] <daftykins> Desmond!
[00:28] <m0nkey_> ooh, new BSD :)
[00:29] <diddledan> eww. that ubuntubsd is hosted on sourceforge
[00:30] <m0nkey_> ehhhh
[00:31] <popey> Someone on the debian list asked about trademarks and I think the question was ignored
[00:39] <diddledan> that email thread appears to be getting political: "Due to Ubuntu being heavily based on Debian, they chose to change to systemd going forward; I'm not sure if that has changed or not, but the strength of Debian selling out to systemd, well, that sold out Ubuntu as well."
[00:41] <daftykins> good ol' nerd in-fighting
[00:43] <diddledan> love the terrible wording of this tweet that the ubuntubsd twitter retweeted: "Due to Ubuntu being heavily based on Debian, they chose to change to systemd going forward; I'm not sure if that has changed or not, but the strength of Debian selling out to systemd, well, that sold out Ubuntu as well." <-- err, Linux userland? is there even such a thing?
[00:43] <diddledan> bad paste
[00:43] <diddledan> let me try again: "#UbuntuBSD: the unquestionably legal way to get #ZFS on a Linux userland."
[00:44] <diddledan> more appropriate wording might have been "GNU userland" or even better "debian userland"
[00:45] <daftykins> whilst you're having that convo you can talk to amazon about their computers with Gb of RAM and Tb of storage
[00:45] <daftykins> ;)
[00:46] <diddledan> eww
[00:46] <diddledan> gigabits?!
[00:46] <diddledan> and terrible bits?
[00:46] <diddledan> !!
[00:46] <diddledan> or are Gb giant-bits
[00:47] <diddledan> gargantuan bits?
[00:47] <diddledan> growable bits?
[00:49] <daftykins> when it's all lowercase i enjoy the idea of gramme bits
[00:50] <diddledan> all lowercase is horrid when people write "mb" .. milibits?
[00:51] <daftykins> yeah :D maybe millibars
[00:54] <diddledan> or even just "maybe bytes?"
 Infecting your colleagues won't help.  If you had the flu, you'd know about it.
[09:57] <TwistedLucidity> MooDoo: Book July 31st to Aug 7th and come to the LinuxBierWanderung on the Isle of Man.
[10:29] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Monday, and happy Common Courtesy Day! 😃
[10:39] <zmoylan-pi> dems fighting words...
[10:40]  * knightwise is a freelancer : No work = no pay
[10:41] <zmoylan-pi> then sleep under a desk and claim to be checking for a faulty cable if woken/disturbed... :-)
[10:53] <diplo> Anyone use MATE in here ?
[10:54] <zmoylan-pi> the beverage or the software... :-)
[10:57] <diplo> The beverage ?
[10:58] <diplo> Didn't know there was one by that name :D
[10:58] <diplo> Just wondering wondering if anyone can recommend a app launcher via super key
[11:00] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club-Mate usually referred to just mate by those i hear who drink a _lot_ of it...
[11:03] <diplo> :) - appears to sell in the UK but never seen it
[11:04] <knightwise> diplo: kupfer !
[11:04] <zmoylan-pi> hacker space in dublin constantly runs out... and then orders a huge amount...
[11:05] <diplo> Cheers knightwise, installing now
[12:01] <awilkins> Club-Mate have a .co.uk
[12:01] <awilkins> Their online shop is out of 500 and 330ml bottles
[12:02] <awilkins> Boo
[12:02] <awilkins> They have the Winter Edition
[12:02] <zmoylan-pi> they do seem to have a hard time keeping stock in here too...
[12:02] <awilkins> With extra spices
[12:03] <awilkins> And the pomegranate one
[12:03] <awilkins> Was gonna order a crate for the hackspace
[12:04] <awilkins> Seeing as all the cool kids drink it
[12:04] <zmoylan-pi> to get them hooked? :-)
[12:04] <awilkins> Not tried it
[12:04] <awilkins> But we have one member who goes on about the dry tea version
[12:08] <zmoylan-pi> they all seem to come back from c3 with a taste for the stuff...
[12:19]  * awilkins signed up for an email notifier of stock
[12:20] <awilkins> Wonder what the shipping is
[12:20] <awilkins> https://open.spotify.com/track/0NcYJeUQMTvVIZGGduJWX3
[13:18] <awilkins> What's the Crabb bollocks?
[13:23] <foobarry> ahem
[13:28] <awilkins> Ah, wrong channel. Apologies for out of turn language.
[14:03] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: But now we're all curious....
[14:04] <awilkins> Oh, just Crabb already coming out with stuff about Work Related Activity Group
[14:04] <TwistedLucidity> Oh....b-o-r-i-n-g-!
[14:04] <awilkins> https://www.facebook.com/StephenCrabbPembs/posts/1123686301014718
[14:04] <awilkins> "These people are in the Work Related Activity Group (WRAG) and they do have a disability or illness but are able to work."
[14:05] <awilkins> Whereas I believe that the DWPs own letter for that explicitly says "You're not fit for work"
[14:08] <TwistedLucidity> If I those words are true, will we see the various contracts removed from Atos?
[14:08] <TwistedLucidity> I have a mate with a back injury. Atos keeps approving him for work, he goes to the doctor, then appeals and Atos get told off.
[14:09] <TwistedLucidity> He's stated that next time he's going to take their job, end up in hospital and then sue.
[14:09] <TwistedLucidity> I can't imagine his doctor is pleased with this strategy...
[14:10] <TwistedLucidity> Still, it'll all be water under the bridge once we have AI super-robots to do all the work for us and we only need to "work" about 4 hours a week. Glorious, technological utopia!
[14:10] <TwistedLucidity> Nothing can go wrong.
[14:34] <ujjain> what is the line called that you use with a needle to repair something?
[14:35] <popey> thread
[14:42] <foobarry> just received my free privacy filter \o/
[14:42] <foobarry> think these cost around 30-40 quid usually
[14:43] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: What's one of them, then?
[14:43] <foobarry> those polaroid thingies
[14:45] <TwistedLucidity> Ooo, for the screen?  :-P
[15:16] <zmoylan-pi> or just buy one... http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/01/laptop-compubody-sock-gives-you-privacy-as-you-work/
[15:21] <davmor2> it's nice to have a gui back
[15:22]  * zmoylan-pi consoles my console
[15:23] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: yeap I use a terminal most of the day for running things, but hexchat and a browser and email client and..... are much nicer in a gui :)
[15:59] <diplo>  Does hexchat let you tile windows davmor2 ?
[16:00] <davmor2> diplo: how do you mean?
[16:01] <zmoylan-pi> multiple windows inside the app?
[16:01] <diplo> Just found the website and it doesn't look like it..
[16:01] <diplo> yup
[16:01] <davmor2> diplo: you can have tab and tree views
[16:01] <diplo> I miss that from mIRC days, can sort of do it with irssi
[16:02] <diplo> I just used to like viewing convos in multiple channels without having to swap :)
[16:22] <diddledan> I believe quassel does that
[16:24] <diddledan> or you could not emulate mirc in wine
[16:24] <diplo> hehe just read that
[16:24] <diddledan> (wine is not an emaulator, so you're "not emulating" :-p)
[16:24] <diplo> heh not *that* bothered :)
[16:31] <zmoylan-pi> there must be hundreds of irc clients... a few must do it
[16:31] <diplo> Not really
[16:33] <diddledan> ooh, I forgot about apple
[16:33]  * diddledan fires-up a streaming window
[16:34] <diddledan> starts in 25
[16:34] <zmoylan-pi> the new small iphone will be a giant new iwatch... :-)
[16:34] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, maybe they'll just release a strap for an iphone6plus to attach it to your wrist?
[16:35] <zmoylan-pi> you too can be like leela in futurama...
[16:35] <zmoylan-pi> just less cool
[16:39] <diddledan> hmm, I think I need to reboot to watch the keynote
[16:39] <diddledan> needs win10+edge
[16:39] <diddledan> I could fish-out my ipad I guess
[16:40] <zmoylan-pi> not much pre show speculation on this unveiling
[16:41]  * zmoylan-pi wonders if we are going to be surprised
[16:47] <diddledan> hah. they're running beats1 in the stream over the static image placeholder
[16:48] <daftykins> i noticed that :>
[16:48] <daftykins> i'm watching from Edge! for once non-Apple devices are allowed to be underwhelmed too
[16:52] <mapps> billions is so good
[16:52] <mapps> the show
[16:52] <sebsebseb> hi
[16:53] <diddledan> I ordered a pair of yubikeys earlier today - arriving tomorrow hopefully
[16:53] <sebsebseb> popey: ping
[16:54] <diddledan> yey for amazon prime :-p
[16:54] <daftykins> i saw cheap cadburys creme eggs on amazon earlier!
[16:54] <diddledan> :-o
[16:54] <diddledan> last year's fake recipe?
[16:54] <daftykins> they were an addon item though so you can't just buy them on their own :(
[16:54] <sebsebseb> I just seen something interesting
[16:55] <daftykins> https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01AWTNO92
[16:55] <popey> sebsebseb: pong
[16:55] <daftykins> creme eggs for all!
[16:55] <popey> diabetes for all!
[16:55] <sebsebseb> popey: heh just saw something interesting that your CEO tweeted about Jane
[16:56] <diddledan> wow that is cheap compared to 24 and 48 egg packs
[16:57] <daftykins> diddledan: i had to stop myself buying an item just to allow me to buy the creme eggs (as it's an add-on item, can't be bought on its' own)
[16:57] <daftykins> and sadly you can't just buy 5 either ;)
[16:57] <popey> sebsebseb: our CEO _IS_ Jane
[16:57] <daftykins> perhaps it was self referential ;D
[16:57] <sebsebseb> popey: yes  the Canonial one
[16:57] <sebsebseb> popey: anyway this: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nexdock-the-world-s-most-affordable-laptop--2/x/4233804#/
[16:58] <sebsebseb> that makes sense, plug in various devices  tablets phones, etc, and then get a lap top basically
[16:58] <diddledan> I'm confused. canonical's CEO is Jane.
[16:59] <sebsebseb> diddledan: I think he meant Canonical not just him personally heh, but I meant Canonical all along
[16:59] <diddledan> sebsebseb, are you maybe confused sabdfl for someone who is in charge?
[16:59] <sebsebseb> diddledan: he's not CEO anymore
[17:00] <diddledan> sebsebseb, I know. you said the canonical ceo tweeted about jane. but jane IS the canonical ceo
[17:00] <sebsebseb> diddledan: no I meant Jane the Canonical CEO tweeted about this: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nexdock-the-world-s-most-affordable-laptop--2/x/4233804#/
[17:00] <popey> he never was ceo
[17:00] <diddledan> ^ that
[17:00] <daftykins> that nexdock won't work because it'll require people buying windows 10 smartphones ;D
[17:00] <popey> Anyway, yes, I have seen nexdock
[17:00] <sebsebseb> daftykins: no I think it works with anything
[17:00] <popey> it works with non-windows
[17:01] <daftykins> well lets not let facts get in the way of an amusing statement
[17:01] <sebsebseb> daftykins: altough it did sound like they were selling it like you can do WIndows 10 on this, if that's what you eant
[17:01] <sebsebseb> meant
[17:02] <daftykins> nah i just wanted to tease Microsoft's ailing mobile platform
[17:02] <diddledan> Tim Cook's on-stage
[17:02] <sebsebseb> popey: yeah can plug in those Remi Mini's as well, and RASSBERY PI'S, and tablets and phones and yeah, looks useful :)
[17:03] <popey> yeah, doesn't look like it will hit the target
[17:03] <sebsebseb> apparantly it's llike connecting a device to a TV, but yes one that has it's own screen, and mouse and keyboard
[17:03] <daftykins> diddledan: wow it has a fullscreen button!
[17:03] <sebsebseb> well it's on like 60% and there's a month left so maybe
[17:03] <popey> I can see a use for it among nerds
[17:04] <popey> not so much among the mass populace
[17:04] <sebsebseb> yes amoung nerds/geeks that's us though isn't it :d ?
[17:04] <daftykins> i feel that convergence devices would be 'fun' but ultimately not decent enough to really get anything done
[17:04] <popey> sure
[17:04] <popey> you need more than nerds to make it viable
[17:04] <popey> jump that chasm
[17:05] <sebsebseb> daftykins: I think convergence will be interesting, but  be mainly for geeks/nerds to
[17:05] <sebsebseb> not the main streame
[17:05] <diddledan> daftykins, for now. in the future with ever-more powerful and small devices it might be more compelling
[17:05] <popey> we'll see :)
[17:05] <daftykins> the specs are definitely jumping at a miraculous pace but eh, who knows
[17:05] <sebsebseb> the specs of what?
[17:06] <daftykins> smartphones
[17:06] <sebsebseb> Ubuntu ones ?
[17:06] <daftykins> i do not consider there to be any
[17:06] <diddledan> I want a squid-core cpu
[17:06] <daftykins> i'm talking about all smartphones
[17:06] <diddledan> (octopus)
[17:06] <daftykins> i've begun to see that convenience always wins out over sensible techie angles anyway
[17:07] <diddledan> nice stat there from apple
[17:07] <diddledan> 93% renewable worldwide eneergy use by apple facilities
[17:09] <sebsebseb> popey: you want nexdock :d ?
[17:09] <daftykins> apple data centres might well be powered by these sources, but what about the fact that most of their backend infrastructure is in AWS or Azure?
[17:10] <diddledan> they're also in google cloud
[17:11] <diddledan> I expect they're using azure too but I don't have any knowledge of that
[17:11] <zmoylan-pi> i thought apple was powered by smugness? :-)
[17:13] <popey> sebsebseb: not really
[17:14] <sebsebseb> popey: why not got lots of TV's to plug  things in anyway :d ?
[17:14] <sebsebseb> and monitors
[17:14] <popey> i have no need for it right now
[17:14] <popey> maybe in the future
[17:14] <popey> and it is too low res IMO
[17:15] <sebsebseb> popey: yeah I remember what you said to me before about that particular res, how it was apparatly bad etc
[17:15] <sebsebseb> altough thisl ap top has that and been ok
[17:15] <popey> it's 2016, 1366x768 needs to die
[17:15] <daftykins> 1366x768 is indeed the devil res, also a cheap and nasty TN panel, eww
[17:16] <sebsebseb> Tn Panel?
[17:16] <sebsebseb> and the device is some CHINESE made thing, so I guess may not be that great really ,but good enough for what it dos
[17:16] <diddledan> twisty numerics
[17:16] <sebsebseb> does
[17:17] <daftykins> twisted neumatic is the type of LCD where the colours wash out when you aren't looking at them straight on, horrible looking and horrible to use
[17:17] <sebsebseb> oh
[17:18] <sebsebseb> I am a bit hmm to crowd funindg now, since it seems I have lost money on one, since the guy behind that one got silly etc...
[17:19]  * popey checks his spreadsheet
[17:19] <popey> I've crowdfunded 50 things it seems
[17:19]  * diddledan giggles at popey's prolific crowd funding
[17:19] <sebsebseb> popey: really you done 50
[17:19] <sebsebseb> I only done like three so far
[17:19] <popey> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_--0TYP3TD7i6dPnJmB9oB66iuU9_qS7ApBtKTS8bug/edit#gid=0
[17:19] <popey> you can probably see that sheet
[17:20] <sebsebseb> popey: I need premssion
[17:20] <sebsebseb> can request access
[17:20] <sebsebseb> to your spread sheet
[17:20] <popey> fixed
[17:21] <popey> just refresh
[17:21] <popey> anyone can view I think
[17:22] <popey> yes, checked in an incognito window
[17:22] <diddledan> CareKit not to be confused with CarKit
[17:22] <popey> or indeed Car KITT
[17:23] <diddledan> !!
[17:23] <daftykins> "Michael, i'm still under NDA"
[17:23] <sebsebseb> popey: that's interesting
[17:23] <sebsebseb> popey: that you kept a log of it like that as well heh
[17:23] <popey> there's data missing
[17:23] <popey> when I get a spare moment I will fill in the columns at the end
[17:23] <sebsebseb> popey: have you lost money to any of this crowd funding for any reason?  lost as in it's been paid for, but you didn't get something back for it for whatever reason
[17:23] <diddledan> wasn't Kitt voiced by Mr Belding(spellign?) from saved by the bell?
[17:24]  * sebsebseb glad I didn't pay even more money to that guy, he was trying to get more out of me since...
[17:24] <popey> only one I think
[17:25] <sebsebseb> which one was that?
[17:25] <popey> oh, no a few
[17:25] <sebsebseb> oh a few oh
[17:25] <sebsebseb> why?
[17:26] <popey> The Firefox OS stick thing, I got a refund though
[17:26] <sebsebseb> ok refund that's ok
[17:26] <sebsebseb> and yep Jolla tablet re fund coming soon
[17:26] <sebsebseb> well half of it
[17:26] <sebsebseb> then the next later
[17:26] <popey> hah
[17:27] <sebsebseb> why hah? it's ok,  having that money back means I can spend it on other tech instead :d
[17:27] <daftykins> that will also fall flat :D
[17:27] <sebsebseb> daftykins: what if it's crowd funded?
[17:27] <daftykins> what if what? i have no idea what you're asking
[17:28] <sebsebseb> or you mean JOlla coing out with the sedcond batch of re fund money as well llike they have  said
[17:28] <popey> sebsebseb: don't take everything daftykins says seriously. he's joking :)
[17:28] <sebsebseb> popey: did you see that Ubuntu device  that was being crowd funded? an unoffical one
[17:28] <sebsebseb> but the idea was to have like an Ubuntu lap top, that would then get Ubuntu touch later
[17:28] <popey> mj one?
[17:28] <sebsebseb> yep that
[17:29] <daftykins> popey: ta!
[17:29] <sebsebseb> popey: I think I won't bother with that, and just get the offical Ubuntu BQ tablet instead, however  the hardware specs are meant to be better on the mj
[17:29] <popey> hardware specs on non-existent devices are often great, yes.
[17:30] <sebsebseb> heh yeah I suppouse
[17:30] <daftykins> vapourware can be amazing :>
[17:30] <sebsebseb> and yeah they  had a prototype maybe I don't ermember now quite, but they were still crowd fudnign something, that may not work out
[17:30] <popey> I have no idea if the MJ one has trademark approval
[17:30] <sebsebseb> popey: I guess it's Thursday for the BQ tablet is actsaully ready for sale now annoucmenet maybe heh.  apparnatly one of the Meizu devices got cancalle since an equathquake to I read somd where
[17:31] <popey> not heard that
[17:31] <sebsebseb> apparnatly that other Ubuntu touch device crowd funded form the other year was a scam to, but I think that went actsaully on sale some where, I was reaidng something the other day
[17:31] <diddledan> sounds like the rumours of a cheap ipwn are true
[17:31] <sebsebseb> a cheap what?
[17:32] <popey> iPhone SE
[17:33] <popey> 4 inch iphone
[17:33] <sebsebseb> oh right I am not interested in iphone really
[17:33] <sebsebseb> I did get a ipad air for cheapr hten the UK price last year though,  by like half
[17:33] <diddledan> SE = small edition?
[17:34] <popey> If I wanted an iPhone, I'd totally get the SE
[17:34] <sebsebseb> apparnatly we need a LInux phone as well, since some verizen spyware cookie or whatever that was thing I Read about earlier to  heh
[17:37] <daftykins> they were a lot beyond rumours :) i don't know whether they've gotten lax with their security or whether i just see those articles more now
[17:37] <daftykins> (security in terms of leaking future device plans)
[17:38] <popey> more eyeballs on them
[17:41] <daftykins> well most seem to claim it's leaks from the Chinese factories more so
[17:41] <daftykins> must not be breaking enough legs as in Jobs' time
[17:41] <TwistedLucidity> I really need a new phone...bit sure I want another Android one though...
[17:42] <TwistedLucidity> "but not sure"
[17:42] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: Android aww, what's wong with Ubuntu touch
[17:42] <sebsebseb> I did see acstaully that you corrected that to but not sure
[17:42] <TwistedLucidity> sebsebseb: Yeah, typo
[17:42] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: have you got an Ubuntu phone?
[17:42] <daftykins> sebsebseb: is it even finished... :P
[17:42] <TwistedLucidity> sebsebseb: No. Too expensive to shell out for sight-unseen
[17:43] <sebsebseb> daftykins: I don't know ask popey :D heh
[17:43] <TwistedLucidity> And I'd be worried about app availability (sorry popey).
[17:44] <popey> Is any OS ever finished?
[17:44] <diddledan> oh dear. ios 9.3 is launched meaning the internet is going to be slow for the next few hours
[17:44] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: about 140 pounds for the BQ  E5 HD from last year the better of the two BQ ones.  and the Meziu MX 4 no longer sold, but the Meizu Pro 5 should sell for about 200 I guess, and that is a good hardware speced phone it seems
[17:44] <daftykins> popey: bit of a duck ;)
[17:44] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: but yes if you want loads of Android apps, Ubuntu phone isn't realy it at the moment, since there is no compatabilty layour such as in the Jolla phone whicnh you can get for cheap
[17:44] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: Jolla phone is quite good actsaully, but the hardware is more old now
[17:45] <popey> TwistedLucidity: no need to apologise, it's an ongoing issue
[17:45] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Well start whipping them harder! :-D
[17:45] <popey> On it
[17:45] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: Jolla phone runs Salifish OS which is quite nice,  which  is run by Wayland and BTFS even.  yes Jolla has just messed up with the tablet since an invester issue etc,  but it's still a good phone
[17:45] <sebsebseb> plus can run the up dated version of the OS on the phone anyway
[17:46] <sebsebseb> you could get a Firefox OS phone,  but that will run even less app wise than UBuntu phone :d
[17:46] <popey> and it will get no updates at all
[17:46] <sebsebseb> and Mozilla have given up on it as a phone OS, onlhy for other things now, such as the Panasonic TV's
[17:47] <TwistedLucidity> And *actual* GNU/Linux phone removes some issues (e.g. needing an SSH app), other things...err...Emby should be doable quickly enough. But iPlayer?
[17:47] <popey> iplayer works on ubuntu phone
[17:47] <TwistedLucidity> It's the whole chicken/egg issue
[17:47] <popey> missing download function, but streaming works
[17:47] <sebsebseb> still if a Firefox OS phone interests you for about 50 pounds you can find one progbably still on Amzon I think
[17:48] <popey> buying a firefox os phone makes no sense.
[17:48] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Neat. Did not know. Assumed it was like desktop Linux - no support bar website
[17:48] <popey> it is a website
[17:48] <popey> :)
[17:48] <TwistedLucidity> Sneaky bugger
[17:48] <popey> but it works fine, html5
[17:48] <TwistedLucidity> It is actually pretty nice.
[17:48] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: a lot ot stuff is web apps with Ubuntu touch, but there are also some nice enough native apps
[17:48] <sebsebseb> but if you want your standard Android apps going to lack that sure
[17:48] <TwistedLucidity> The other channels should have jumped in with the BBC when they had the chance. Best catch-up service ever.
[17:49] <popey> yeah
[17:49] <TwistedLucidity> sebsebseb: I am losing my pathological hatred of webapps. The conditioning must be working
[17:50]  * sebsebseb forgot what that blame popey app actsaully was, so just opended it up again, and yep some pontless thing heh
[17:50] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: but if you like the look of popey for some odd reason,  it has a photo of him heh.  that's a selling point of an Ubuntu Phone right there :d
[17:50] <TwistedLucidity> Anyway, roll on 16.04 and the plethora of new features!
[17:51] <daftykins> new features like being installable on current hardware \o/
[17:51] <TwistedLucidity> LOL
[17:51] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: the new Meizu Ubuntu Phone, seems  like good hardware, but can't quite do convergence
[17:51] <sebsebseb> or not in the standard way
[17:52] <TwistedLucidity> Not sure if convergence is soemthing I should be mega-excited over, or a passing fad. I mean, it sounds totaly cool...just not sure when I'd use it.
[17:52] <TwistedLucidity> Scopes though, that's a thing that seems awesome.
[17:52] <sebsebseb> daftykins: and that uhmm file system,  that the debabe is if  Ubuntu is really allowed to have it or not
[17:52] <TwistedLucidity> Right, I have big bouncy dogs that need walked
[17:52] <TwistedLucidity> Night
[17:53] <daftykins> sebsebseb: ZFS chatter? couldn't care less
[17:53] <sebsebseb> daftykins: yep that
[17:53] <sebsebseb> apparnatly legally it make not be compatiable with some liscenes so
[17:54] <sebsebseb> but also apparnatly is the like best file system that exists
[17:54] <popey> depends which lawyer you ask
[17:54] <sebsebseb> and as a comment on some site basically said, and well Canonical actually has money for lawyers anyway so
[17:55] <sebsebseb> popey: I wasn't suppirsed when I saw that the Free Software Controversy weren't happy about that htough
[17:55] <popey> some were
[17:55] <popey> some weren't
[17:55] <popey> I wouldn't lump all lawyers or all free software developers together
[17:55] <popey> It misrepresents the reaction
[17:55] <sebsebseb> what's the worst thing that can happen, Canonical gets sued for not being compatible with some lissence taken to court?
[17:57] <popey> Not sure that's the worst.
[17:57] <popey> I can think of worse things.
[17:57] <sebsebseb> got to pay up a big fine
[17:57] <popey> But that's for the lawyers.
[17:57] <sebsebseb> that can't  really be paid
[17:57] <sebsebseb> daftykins: why don't you like ZFS chatter?
[18:03] <daftykins> sebsebseb: i just think it's totally irrelevant outside of enterprise level storage (or enthusiast level at home) so why it should be commented on so much is irrelevant to most folks
[18:04] <daftykins> when people came in #ubuntu wanting to run ZFS i suggested going and using a distro where it is supported
[18:04] <sebsebseb> daftykins: yes I see your point, but it's a legal thing that could effect Canonical/Ubuntu more so as a whole I guess, depending on what happens?
[18:04] <sebsebseb> well that is 16.04 soon
[18:04] <daftykins> well i'm not invested in either.
[18:04] <sebsebseb> I think no distros really support it as such since the legal side?
[18:04] <daftykins> nah that's not what i understand
[18:05] <sebsebseb> daftykins: but in general I am like you,  for personal use etc,  file shystem eh, so what really as long as I can open up my files etc :). a ltough  btfs snap shots could be nice to but not used those yet
[18:06] <daftykins> no, i'm not saying that i'm at that level - because i do use, manage and support large RAID arrays
[18:06] <daftykins> but listening to some open source drama in the news about something non-finalised, that's when i feel it's moot to my own interests
[18:07] <sebsebseb> yeah ,but open source world LInux world etc, is full of opinion etc in general
[18:07] <sebsebseb> and people like whining on the Internet about things in general to it seems
[18:08] <sebsebseb> in comments on various blog posts etc
[18:08] <sebsebseb> or the blog posts them selves at times even etc
[18:08] <daftykins> that's why this is one i don't want to touch :)
[18:09] <sebsebseb> but yep some tings are just drama like that really, or mostly
[18:09] <sebsebseb> even uefi was  really not completly but a lot of it before
[18:09] <sebsebseb> uefi secure boot
[18:11] <daftykins> we still get the ones coming in #ubuntu crying about it, but the truth is it's workable in 99% of cases (installing to a machine with secure boot)
[18:11] <sebsebseb> yep indeed
[18:14] <daftykins> hmm seems i might have sorted the sleep issues on this clients' surface pro 4, what a buggy device it's been
[18:15] <sebsebseb> daftykins: hmm with Windowws?
[18:15] <daftykins> well i wouldn't go installing ubuntu on it - that'd be an even worse experience :)
[18:15] <sebsebseb> heh how so?
[18:15] <sebsebseb> but yeah those are pretyt much tighted to Windows I think ?
[18:16] <daftykins> if the EFI has sleep bugs and issues with even Windows, what makes you think Ubuntu would work any good?
[18:16] <daftykins> nah standard EFI controls
[18:16] <sebsebseb> ah right I didn't know about that, I don't really know about the sufface pro 4
[18:16] <sebsebseb> but yes if EFI is going to have issues with even Windows, indeed it's likely to with LInux distros to
[18:16] <daftykins> well even without that, ubuntu tends to work worse on any and all ultraportable or touch-screen devices i think it's fair to say
[18:17] <daftykins> for power management and the like
[18:17] <sebsebseb> really why you think that? is there an exception to it at all then :d, such as  the Ubuntu touch offical devices? bq meizu
[18:17] <daftykins> i should caveat my comments with the point that my angle is always to get really good battery life out of things - and installing any Linux has never worked well imo
[18:20] <sebsebseb> hmm got disconnected there wireless
[18:20] <daftykins> what did you last see?
[18:20] <sebsebseb> for power management and the like
[18:20] <sebsebseb> not sure you got my message
[18:20] <sebsebseb> after that
[18:21] <sebsebseb> [18:17] <sebsebseb> really why you think that? is there an exception to it at all then :d, such as  the Ubuntu touch offical devices? bq meizu
[18:21] <daftykins> i should caveat my comments with the point that my angle is always to get really good battery life out of things - and installing any Linux has never worked well imo <-- i added that bit
[18:22] <sebsebseb> daftykins: Linux on computer on lap tops, and phones via well Andorid or Ubuntu, seems to generally be all fine for me,  and Jolla phone to.  FIrefox phone.  yeah the first bq ubuntu phone had a bad battery life it seems, but other than that.  but yeah you will have differnet devices computers etc, and true Wndows can work better at times for battery
[18:29] <diddledan> o_O
[18:29] <diddledan> Windows phone ftw
[18:30] <sebsebseb> diddledan: yeah totally! :d
[18:42] <ali1234> whats the best website for free online surveys?
[18:42] <ali1234> alternatively which one do you hate the least?
[18:43] <popey> we use surveymonkey, or google forms
[18:45] <ali1234> ah, google forms...
[18:45] <ali1234> might be a good idea. i need to make a survey for someone else and we both have gmail accounts
[18:45] <diddledan> Googley
[18:46]  * diddledan googleys  daftykins
[18:58] <davmor2> diddledan: stop pretending you can bowl
[19:01] <ali1234> surveymonkey's homepage seems to be broken... google forms is nice though
[19:09] <diddledan> my ithingies are updating
[19:12] <daftykins> ;]
[19:12] <davmor2> ipatch it's the prirate of software
[19:47] <daftykins> plundering your booty
[19:47] <daftykins> oops i stole diddledan's line ;D
[20:07] <diddledan> I feel violated
[21:18] <daftykins> diddledan: well you did buy Apple ;D
[21:56] <mapps> what to watch next
[21:57] <daftykins> the real life sunset!
[21:58] <mapps> migh watch pelts
[21:59] <mapps> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0779496/
[22:40] <MSponge> Anyone mind telling me wat UbuntuBSD is ?
[22:40] <MSponge> https://bsd.slashdot.org/story/16/03/21/0321213/meet-ubuntubsd-unix-for-human-beings
[22:41] <popey> It's apparently Ubuntu without a Linux kernel, but BSD kernel.
[22:42] <MSponge> How does that work, then ?
[22:42] <popey> I would imagine you boot it on a computer
[22:42]  * MSponge has been looking at lilliputting website to ask popey if asian phones can be ported.
[22:43] <popey> asian phones?
[22:43] <popey> all phones are asian :)
[22:43] <MSponge> I'm looking.
[22:43] <MSponge> I'm just listenin' to ubuntupodcast.
[22:44] <MSponge> I'm the guy who has the subreddit. Looks brill. doesn't it !
[22:44] <MSponge> but enough 'bout me.
[22:45] <MSponge> popey, Can you use Multiboot on the Meixu phones ?
[22:45] <popey> Yes, I know who you are :)
[22:46] <popey> Dunno, never used multiboot on any phone
[22:46] <popey> We generally don't test that scenario
[22:46] <popey> others do though
[22:46] <MSponge> Kinda sucks without Cynagen Apps.
[22:47] <MSponge> e.g. My Uncle asked me to join "Life360" in an email to stay in touch.
[22:47]  * MSponge gets life. life. and no parole.
[22:48] <MSponge> Did you know Ubuntu360.com is for sale ?
[22:48] <daftykins> that's a pretty terrible domain
[22:48]  * MSponge looks at his xbox360 & grins.
[22:49] <daftykins> useful if someone got it running on a... but you wouldn't want to do that since it's rubbishy PPC :D
[22:49] <MSponge> Can be done though, to be sure ;)
[22:50] <MSponge> Arrrgh pirated xbox360 on ubuntu, .....grrrreat.
[22:50] <daftykins> er what makes the console 'pirated' ?
[22:50] <MSponge> Needs an indiegogo.
[22:51] <MSponge> Dunno. compardres commandeering stuff. Sounds like when I had the mind of a pirate kid.
[22:52] <MSponge> I spoke to the dev. on the linux version for it on jit.si 2 months ago.
[22:52] <MSponge> He lives in Sweden.
[22:53] <MSponge> Only problem is they can't get the dvd to eject. So he says.
[22:53] <daftykins> i would think the 512MB RAM is a bigger problem than that
[22:53] <MSponge> But they all use USB to boot-into it.
[22:54] <daftykins> it'd make more sense to put some effort toward running on the PS4 (which i've seen) and xbox one now, i would say
[22:54] <MSponge> Wats happening with venues for 16.04 release anyway ?
[22:54] <daftykins> pass
[22:54] <MSponge> #party +ubuntu ?
[22:55] <daftykins> no i think the channel is normally #ubuntu-release-party or similar
[22:55] <daftykins> !channels
[22:55] <MSponge> yes, i know that - it always v. quiet, even on the day.
[22:55] <daftykins> ok i just misunderstood your use of #party then
[22:56] <MSponge> Sorry that's just to say (I hope it goes Meta again).
[22:57] <MSponge> The ubuntu subreddit has gone very symantic lately.
[22:57] <MSponge> "What to pasck when wandering in the Ubuntu Universe " etc.
[22:59] <MSponge> popey, good show. I didn't like the microsoft stuff, but that says more about me than yous.
[23:00] <MSponge> Anyone buying into Lunduke's latest escapade ?
[23:01] <MSponge> http://lunduke.com/2016/03/18/linux-is-badass-signed-hardback-print-edition-limited-run/
[23:04] <MSponge> I like the old Cuba, personally. but that only because my beards bigger than that Cuban guys.
[23:05] <MSponge> As soon as POTUS landed several US hotel chains said they'd open up chains in the capital etc. & they call that progress!!?
[23:07] <daftykins> i used to quite enjoy this channel for being -uk since it afforded me an avoidance of US politics from every other channel...
[23:07] <MSponge> Ok, wats your topic-of-the-day, then ? daftykins.
[23:08] <daftykins> the wonderful ignore function and its' many merits
[23:08] <daftykins> ;)
[23:08] <MSponge> I suppose nothing else matters then.
[23:08] <MSponge> (Metallica)
[23:12] <MSponge> popey, Can you help me with a project for a second ?
[23:12] <MSponge> or at least see if there's any holes, in it ?
[23:14] <MSponge> It's alright - I'll survive.
[23:16] <daftykins> pretty late GMT, throw it by #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:17] <MSponge> cant get on #ubuntu-offtopic at all. It asks for an IRC mask. Don't get it really.
[23:18] <MSponge> don't worry ... I have my own personal subreddit to post ideas on (diarising them). So I'll manage it.
[23:19] <MSponge> github was down today though. Jono said it was back up to me too.
[23:20]  * MSponge wanders off.
[23:20] <Myrtti> no it asks you to be identified to the services, nickserv
[23:21] <MSponge> oh wait.
[23:21] <MSponge> yeah, I cant do that successfully.
[23:21] <celesteh> I've got a facebook note saying my computer is being attacked by malware. I'm on Ubuntu 15.10 running the version of firefox in the repos.
[23:21] <daftykins> why not? it's easy.
[23:21] <popey> MSponge: sorry, was afk
[23:21] <popey> well, at another keyboard :)
[23:21] <daftykins> celesteh: 'note' ?
[23:21] <daftykins> sounds like spam
[23:21] <MSponge> I want an ubuntu nickserv name, really.
[23:21] <daftykins> you'd have to be a member i think
[23:21] <popey> !membership
[23:22] <popey> ^ that
[23:22] <celesteh> It logged me out and then when i log in, it directs me to a page saying my system needs to be cleaned of malware
[23:22] <popey> you should not need an ubuntu mask to enter offtopic
[23:22] <MSponge> I'm on launchpadf, is that good enough ?
[23:22] <popey> what happens when you join the channel?
[23:22] <celesteh> 'It looks like your computer is being affected by malware. We’ll help you fix the problem to keep your account secure and prevent malware from spreading to friends. ' daftykins
[23:23] <MSponge> popey, It's ok. I keep getting into trouble there canyway. Best keep with my halo, atmo.
[23:23] <daftykins> celesteh: checked your addon list? cleared your cache?
[23:23] <celesteh> when I click next, it tells me to run anti virus software
[23:23] <daftykins> i'd test a clean browser profile personally
[23:24] <MSponge> Here's an article for you: http://www.howtogeek.com/209320/how-to-set-up-and-use-multiple-profiles-user-accounts-in-firefox/
[23:28] <HaloSponge> popey, What's happening with OggCamp ?
[23:36] <popey> HaloSponge: http://oggcamp.org/the-ghost-of-oggcamp-yet-to-come/
[23:37] <HaloSponge> well. i suppose id like to help out, then.
[23:37]  * HaloSponge facepalms at the consequences.
[23:39] <HaloSponge> Oh wait = I've arrived here; http://saloon.sixgun.org/c/oggcamp
[23:49] <celesteh> cheers daftykins and msponge. I'm running clamscan just in case...
[23:49] <daftykins> celesteh: was a clean profile safe from the oddness?
[23:56] <HaloSponge> popey: I shall revisit this topic.. interesting to me.


[07:51] <wsdjeg> ubuntu 15.10是否修复了mysql的bug
[07:56] <zhangchao> 具体bug是指？
[07:57] <wsdjeg> 15.04 apt安装mysql在终端登录后 无法输入中文 复制一段中英混合 也只显示英文
[07:57] <wsdjeg> 刚才测试了下 已经修复了
[07:58] <wsdjeg> 不是编码集问题
[08:03] <wsdjeg> 另外还有一个bug比较严重,就是使用自带的软件更新器进行更新是,倘若更新软件中有jdk等需要手动接受条款的软件,那么更新将会卡在这个地方,出现异常.因为更新器并不像终端中这样可以在更新过程中可以手动操作.
[08:04] <wsdjeg> 尤其是使用第三方源安装了软件之后的更新 这个问题更容易出现
[08:06] <wsdjeg> \exit
[08:06] <wsdjeg> \quit
[09:00] <willcooke> hey Trevinho
[09:00] <willcooke> Hi everyone
[09:00] <Trevinho> Hi!
[09:00] <ypwong> hi!
[09:00] <ypwong> this is anthony
[09:00] <willcooke> Hi ypwong!
[09:01] <handsome_feng> Hi, this is Li jianfeng
[09:01] <Trevinho> hi handsome_feng
[09:01] <pishuilu> Hi!
[09:01] <zhangchao> hi，this zhangchao
[09:01] <handsome_feng> hi , marco
[09:01] <willcooke> Trevinho and hikoko were telling me what a great time they had in Changsha.  Thank you for making them feel so welcome.  I hope you go some good information during the meetings
[09:02] <willcooke> *hikiko
[09:02] <jzheng> hi, this Joey, :)
[09:03] <jzheng> do we have a agenda for about what we are going to discuss today?
[09:03] <willcooke> As I understand it then, this is a chance for Kylin engineers to get any help they might need while hacking on Unity 7.  I guess that moving the launcher is probably a high priority task?
[09:03] <ypwong> hi will and marco
[09:03] <ypwong> hi zhangchao
[09:03] <ypwong> hi handsome_feng
[09:03] <Trevinho> handsome_feng: I think you're the one most involved with what willcooke says, isn't it?
[09:04] <handsome_feng> Yes, and also the lockscreen
[09:04] <willcooke> jzheng, I'm not aware of an agenda.
[09:05] <ypwong> handsome_feng, have you decided the final look of the desktop?
[09:05] <ypwong> just move the launcher to the bottom of the screen and keep the panel at the top?
[09:05] <jzheng> willcooke, ok,
[09:05] <Trevinho> ypwong: that was what we said... Move OPTIONALLY to the bottom :)
[09:06] <ypwong> yes, make it optional
[09:07] <Trevinho> jzheng: not really an agenda yet, as we just met the last week... So probably there's nothing new. But to ensure things are going in the right direction
[09:07] <Trevinho> so, zhangchao, handsome_feng is there anything you need for your development, how things are proceeding? Are you encountering any blockers?
[09:08] <jzheng> Trevinho, i see. I saw your email about the intro wizard, shall we talk a bit about this today?
[09:08] <Trevinho> jzheng: yeah... That's another point. Isn't jack here?
[09:08] <ypwong> no he's not here
[09:09] <ypwong> his nick is jackyu
[09:09] <jzheng> yep, Jack is not here
[09:09] <zhangchao> about move the panel，more detailed design still doing
[09:09] <jzheng> but I think zhangchao can do the follow-up
[09:09] <jzheng> zhangchao, will you want to discuss the wizard today, or wait for jack?
[09:10] <Trevinho> zhangchao: do you mean the top panel? As for now, please just foucs on launcher... It's already a big task :)
[09:10] <Trevinho> zhangchao: as for the wizard... Any news from design?
[09:10] <Trevinho> DO you need anything else?
[09:11] <handsome_feng> Trevinho: I just push the first version to launchpad
[09:11] <jzheng> handsome_feng, can you share the link?
[09:11] <Trevinho> handsome_feng: yeah, I saw it. I gave just a quick look
[09:11] <zhangchao>  yes，I mean the Launcher ，not top panel，sorry
[09:11] <Trevinho> jzheng: https://code.launchpad.net/~feng-kylin/unity/unityshell-rotated-kylin
[09:12] <jzheng> cool~ thx
[09:12] <handsome_feng> o , thank you , marco
[09:12] <Trevinho> zhangchao: yeah, no problem... Let's just use the same naming otherwise we risk (and yeah, I know that the launcher is actually /a panel/ :))
[09:13] <Trevinho> zhangchao: design, you mean... How to design icons or tiles or what?
[09:17] <zhangchao> Trevinho:  yes ，Our current design lacks some details
[09:18] <Trevinho> zhangchao: ok... Let me know when you've it
[09:18] <Trevinho> zhangchao: for the wizard, do you know any news? Has design looked at it?
[09:18] <ypwong> zhangchao, do you plan to modify the launcher to look different from the current Unity 7 launcher?
[09:19] <zhangchao> Trevinho: ok，about wizard ，I  I have already discussed with our designers
[09:21] <zhangchao> ypwong: yes, will look some different
[09:21] <Trevinho> ypwong: I believe so... But that's doable by just replacing the themed icons. So it can be without heavy changes
[09:23] <ypwong> hi jackyu
[09:23] <jackyu> hi
[09:24] <willcooke> hey jackyu
[09:25] <Trevinho> hi jackyu
[09:25] <zhangchao> Trevinho: our  designers is too busy in this month
[09:26] <jackyu> hi, willcooke and Trevinho
[09:26] <Trevinho> zhangchao: mh, I understand... Ok, let's wait, but we should get something before the 16.04 cycle start or the time won't be enough
[09:26] <Trevinho> jackyu: zhangchao was telling me about the wizard designs...
[09:27] <jackyu> Got it, thanks. I think the most important thing is to join the work of U7 now.
[09:28] <jzheng> jackyu, we need some draft design for wizard earlier
[09:28] <jzheng> jackyu, once design is confirmed, then we can start the development
[09:29] <ypwong> yeah, we will need several iterations to revise the wizard design
[09:29] <Trevinho> well, I think is important to join the development even for fixes, isn't it?
[09:29] <Trevinho> So... Well, I've sent the guys involved some infos in how to get involved... Are they encountering any problem?
[09:30] <Trevinho> I think the best way to get used to the code, is starting to look around how to fix some bugs that affect both of us
[09:30] <Trevinho> I sent you some lists, but launchpad is full of bugs :)
[09:33] <ypwong> jackyu, what do you think?
[09:35] <jackyu> ypwong,  they could start the design at the end of this month.
[09:36] <handsome_feng> Trevinho: yes , we will try to fix some appropriate bug
[09:36] <jackyu> Trevinho, I agree. They are starting by fixing some bugs^
[09:37] <Trevinho> great
[09:37] <Trevinho> So... About this, I want to introduce you to a tool that we'll be using in next weeks
[09:37] <Trevinho> It shouldn't be blocked in china: https://trello.com/b/9YvUSYqq/unity-7
[09:38] <handsome_feng> ok, got it!
[09:38] <Trevinho> handsome_feng and zhangchao should sign-up and then we can add you to the board
[09:38] <Trevinho> zhangchao_phone: https://trello.com/b/9YvUSYqq/unity-7
[09:38] <Trevinho> so, basically we can manage our status by looking at these cards
[09:39] <Trevinho> moving them in the right area, so we can see how things are proceeding
[09:39] <handsome_feng> OK
[09:41] <Trevinho> I might probably need to include you, let me see
[09:42] <zhangchao_phone> sorry,my network have some error
[09:42] <handsome_feng> i have sign-up
[09:43] <Trevinho> handsome_feng: nice, I've added all you guys to the board
[09:44] <Trevinho> So, the idea is that you add the cars you're working on, and you WANT work on, and you move them accordingly
[09:45] <zhangchao_phone> we need agenda for next meeting,Where shall we write a meeting agenda?
[09:45] <handsome_feng> Got it
[09:45] <ypwong> use wiki?
[09:46] <Trevinho> ok, wiki is fine
[09:47] <Trevinho> I would also use gdocs, but it's more problematic for you guys. So wiki is fine. Once you've a page setup please send it to me
[09:48] <zhangchao_phone> ok
[09:50] <Trevinho> ok, I think we introduced the most important stuff... Right now, focus on bugs, if you don't have other backlog (but I guess you have it).
[09:50] <Trevinho> let me know whether you need any help, I'm more or less always available
[09:51] <Trevinho> If there's anything else, I'd wrap this up
[09:52] <jackyu>  guys, reconnect just now... sorry for our bad network:(. Our work time is to 17:30, so the network...
[09:52] <jackyu>  Trevinho, do you have some proposed bugs for Kylin engineers?
[09:53] <Trevinho> jackyu: yeah, so basically here's a list of bugs and small features you can work on https://gist.github.com/321f601a35cad67b510e
[09:54] <Trevinho> And I've some others... I could tag these on launchpad so that we've a list there as well
[09:55] <Trevinho> We need to define a proper list to then include in trello, but in general that is a good starting point. As there are also small features
[09:56] <Trevinho> Then, for starting, any itch you want to scratch is welcome.
[09:57] <jackyu> OK, that's great!
[10:01] <zhangchao_phone> is there anything need to discuss ?
[10:02] <Trevinho> I think not yet... At least, from my side. We just need to get some feedback from design. And I'd like you to get involved with some bugs you pick as a start...
[10:05] <handsome_feng> Right, it looks as though we've covered the main items
[10:07] <handsome_feng> Maybe wrap this meeting up?
[10:08] <zhangchao_phone> ok, thanks guys.
[10:08] <willcooke> thanks everyone.  See you in two weeks time
[10:08] <jackyu> bye, every one. I'd go back to home:)
[10:09] <handsome_feng> Thank you all for attending. bye
[10:09] <jzheng> jackyu, don't forget that this meeting will happen biweekly
[10:09] <jzheng> jackyu, ttyl :)
[10:10] <Trevinho> bye guys, see you soon
[10:10] <pishuilu> bye  everyone


[09:56] <svinoba> Hi, I just realised I'm having 5.0.0 series kernel although I'm running focal devel branch. Normal apt update/upgrade/dist-upgrade is not upgrading the kernel. How can I upgrade kernel?
[10:03] <alkisg> svinoba: for the development ubuntu version, #ubuntu+1 channel is used. That said, you're probably just missing the linux-generic package
[10:05] <svinoba> alkisg, thank you for both pointers.
[10:05] <alkisg> np