[00:36] <igc> morning
[00:47] <jam> lifeless or spm: can you go ahead and create a 2.0.1 branch from 2.0 and a 2.1.0b1 branch from bzr.dev@4734 ?
[00:48] <jam> I'm going to be in and out a bit
[00:48] <jam> (i decided to not release my last two patches from bzr.dev, instead waiting for 2.1.0b2 for the static tuple stuff)
[00:48] <jam> I'd like to work on the releases tomorrow, though
[00:52] <mathepic> I'm doing an update on the format docs
[00:52] <mathepic> What should I change this to:  For example,
[00:52] <mathepic> you may need to select 1.9 instead of 1.14 if your project has
[00:52] <mathepic> standardized on Bazaar 1.13.1 say.
[00:55] <mathepic> Is this good? "For example, you may need to select 1.14 instead of 2a if your project has standardized on Bazaar 1.18 say."
[00:55] <mathepic> I'm going to delete the say, it doesn't fit in.
[01:01] <maxb> Doesn't 1.18 support 2a? (with efficiency caveats)
[01:03] <mathepic> Oops
[01:03] <mathepic> When was the version before 2a was released
[01:03] <mathepic> I'll fix that really quickly
[01:07] <mathepic> Do I mark myself as the assignee and the status of the bug "Fix Commited"
[01:07] <mathepic> I'm not sure how the bug-process works
[01:11] <mathepic> Should I change the status to "In Progress", "Fix Committed", or just leave in the way it is?
[01:33] <lifeless> jam: I can't anymore
[01:33] <lifeless> jam: and spm is sick today
[01:33] <lifeless> jam: you should mail RT
[01:33] <lifeless> 1.16 and above support 2a
[01:36] <igc> mathepic: thanks for working on that bug
[01:36] <mathepic> igc: No problem.
[01:37] <mathepic> Can anyone confirm that the info contained in it is correct? I don't know my history that well.
[01:37] <igc> mathepic: while working on a bug, mark it "In Progress"; once you've pushed a branch with the fix, mark as "Fix Committed"
[01:37] <mathepic> igc: Okay, thanks.
[01:38] <igc> mathepic: I'd drop all the text about selecting a format prior to 2a. We need to *strongly* encourage everyone to upgrade
[01:38] <mathepic> Okay.
[01:39] <igc> mathepic: as lifeless mentioned, 1.16 and above support 2a
[01:39] <mathepic> should I keep the paragraph about the rich-roots?
[01:40] <igc> you can mention rich-root in a footnote but not the main text IMO
[01:40] <igc> it tends to confuse more than enlighten
[01:40] <igc> most readers
[01:41] <igc> and after 2a, the issue effectively goes away because all future formats are rich-root implicitly
[01:41] <igc> (as is 2a)
[01:42] <mathepic> How about this: "The newest format, 2a, is highly recommended to use. If your project does not support 2a, then you should suggest to the branch owner to upgrade."
[01:42] <mathepic> (That replaces the whole list thing)
[01:43] <mathepic> Or simply nothing at all?
[01:45] <mathepic> I'll just remove that whole block of text.
[01:46] <igc> mathepic: "does not support" -> "is not using"
[01:47] <mathepic> Okay, added it back. "Branch owner" or "Project owner"?
[01:47] <igc> project owner
[01:48] <mathepic> Okay, I'm pushing it to my branch.
[01:49] <igc> cool. Then propose it for merging please
[01:50] <mathepic> Its been proposed.
[01:50] <igc> ah - then you may need to resubmit the proposal
[01:51] <mathepic> I sent another review request to bzr-core. Is that what you mean?
[01:52] <igc> yep. Thanks.
[01:53] <mathepic> Okay.
[01:57] <mathepic> Ugh, spotted a type
[01:58] <mathepic> igc: I pushed it again to fix a typo. Do I send a review request again?
[02:00] <igc> mathepic: hmm - forget what I said about requesting another review
[02:00] <mathepic> igc: Okay.
[02:00] <igc> you need to click "resubmit proposal"
[02:00] <igc> top right hand corner
[02:01] <mathepic> Okay, done.
[02:01] <mathepic> Well, I have to go.
[02:01] <igc> mathepic: thanks for your work!
[02:01] <mathepic> No problem. :)
[02:01] <lifeless> shouldn't need the resubmit anymore
[02:01] <lifeless> the diffs update
[02:01] <igc> lifeless: ah - ok
[02:02] <igc> lifeless: hi btw - welcome back to Oz
[02:02] <igc> lifeless: I hope the sprint when well
[02:02] <lifeless> yup
[02:40] <jam> lifeless: k. Also, I don't think pqm is running the test suite on python2.4 anymore. At least, I thought that was the problem so I installed 2.4, and found out it wouldn't build
[02:40] <jam> so I sent in a patch to make it build on 2.4, but the previous patch had been accepted.
[02:41] <lifeless> jam: rt that too :)
[02:41] <lifeless> jam: the chroot has been upgraded, probably the default python has been altered
[02:41] <jam> lifeless: is the fix just configuring pqm to do "make check PYTHON=python2.4" ?
[02:42] <lifeless> yeah
[02:42] <lifeless> force the version in the pqm config
[03:36]  * igc lunch
[06:14] <igc> bbl
[06:55] <eferraiuolo> I was curious why a Loggerhead Package for Hardy was never released?
[07:19] <vila> hi all
[07:28] <bialix> hello all
[07:44] <trondn> is there an equivalent of the hg export / import functionality in bzr???
[07:45] <trondn> (export a changeset that I may import into another workspace)
[07:47] <spiv> thumper: there's 'bzr send'
[07:47] <thumper> ??
[07:47] <thumper> spiv: tab fail
[07:47] <spiv> thumper: er, sorry, wrong nick :)
[07:47] <mneptok> tab-complte FAIL
[07:48] <thumper> mneptok: hey
[07:48] <spiv> trondn: There's "bzr send"
[07:48] <mneptok> thumper: ahoyhoy!
[07:48] <trondn> spiv:  and to apply it into the other one (and preserve commit id etc)?
[07:49] <spiv> trondn: bzr pull or bzr merge from the file, like you would with the branch.
[07:49] <trondn> spiv but that will make it a merge set??
[07:50] <spiv> If you use 'bzr merge', yes.  But you can 'bzr pull' if you don't want to merge (assuming the history hasn't diverged).
[07:53] <trondn> hmm...  bzr send -r -2 -o /tmp/foobar resulted in: Bundling 0 revision(s) ...
[07:53] <mneptok> "bzr oh_god_i_killed_us_all" should undo the previous push. kthx.
[07:54] <spiv> mneptok: bzr alias oh_god_i_killed_us_all="push -r -2 --overwrite"  ;)
[07:55] <mneptok> spiv: but then i can't tell others about bzr's intuitive, natural language feature set
[07:56] <spiv> trondn: oh, right.  "bzr send" really prefers to have access to the target branch so that it can bundle exactly the right set of revisions.
[07:57] <spiv> trondn: which is a bit annoying when you don't have the branch accessible :/
[07:58] <trondn> spiv I have both available... the one I want to put the one changeset in is ../mget... bzr send --help would be a lot more helpful with an example....
[07:59] <trondn> guess I should just try out the rebase thing.. that's the thing I really want to do...
[07:59] <trondn> (I just heard that it might not work the way I expected it to work ;-) )
[07:59] <spiv> trondn: oh, if you have the target available, just "bzr send /url/to/target -o somefile"
[08:00] <spiv> trondn: or, if the target is writeable, just cd to it and do "bzr pull /path/to/other/branch", you don't need the indirection of a merge directive file.
[08:02] <spiv> rebase isn't ever exactly "the thing I really want to do" AFAICT; it's a means, not an end.  What's the goal?
[08:02] <trondn> :( they have diverged so it tells me to merge :(
[08:02] <trondn> the goal: put my changeset at the _end_...
[08:02] <trondn> and don't fuck up the history with another merge set..
[08:02] <spiv> Why is merging so terrible for you?
[08:03] <trondn> it makes the history unreadable...
[08:03] <trondn> I'm working on implementing a feature committing multiple times... but I still want to bring in the work happening on trunk...
[08:03] <spiv> Hmm, I don't find that.  "bzr log" by default only shows the mainline commits.
[08:04] <trondn> and I want my changes to appear at the end in one bulk instead of a spagetti with the "merge from trunk"..
[08:05] <trondn> with git I normally just do git rebase, in Mercurial i use export / import... in bzr I currently apply each patch by hand and commits them again :(
[08:05] <spiv> So, if you want to squash things into a linear history when things have diverged, rebase is an alright way to do that.  I personally find the original history quite readable, though.
[08:05] <spiv> There is a rebase plugin.
[08:06] <spiv> But I suggest you play a little bit with "bzr log" and its options, you might be surprised.
 is the rebase plugin btw, in case you don't already have it.
[08:07] <trondn> I guess I could.. right now I find it terrible to track down a bug on let's say lp:drizzle.. bzr log mostly shows me merge "foo", so I run it with bzr log -n 0 -v, but then I see changes multiple times because multiple people merged the same changeset into their tree etc...
[08:07] <trondn> (downloading and installing now)
[08:09] <spiv> Normally I only want to see the mainline commits, I actually quite like that a long-running feature that took 30 commits to develop is shown as a single mainline commit, rather than as 30 separate pieces.  (But also that the individual pieces are still there when I need them.)
[09:09] <crisb> when I use bzr qlog it chops off the first digit of the revision number - anyone else seen this before!?
[09:13] <crisb> also, shouldnt qcommit be a resizeable dialog?
[09:13] <crisb> i swear it used to be...
[09:21] <davidstrauss> crisb: It is resizable. Change your monitor resolution.
[09:22] <crisb> davidstrauss: i'm at 1650x1080!  its not that it appears maximised, it just wont let me resize it or maximiseit
[09:23] <davidstrauss> crisb: No, I mean reducing your monitor resolution will make the window bigger. :-)
[09:23] <crisb> :)
[09:24] <crisb> so its not supposed to be resizeable in the same way as say qlog?
[09:24]  * davidstrauss actually has no idea.
[09:28] <crisb> sorted - dodgy qbzr.conf :)
[09:30] <crisb> revision number chopping still exists though :(
[09:37]  * igc dinner
[10:32] <igc> crisb: I'm seeing the first digit being chopped too in qlog if the re count is > 1000
[10:32] <igc> crisb: can you raise a bug for that please?
[10:33] <crisb> igc: sure, I already raised 450179 - looks like Alexander Belchenko has confirmed it too
[10:33] <igc> crisb: ah - I see you already have - thanks
[10:41] <bialix> is it possible to quickly/cheaply determines how many revisions in the repository? not in the mainline revisions, but in repository overall?
[10:41] <bialix> crisb: there si hardcode limit for 4 digits in qlog
[10:41] <bialix> crisb: there is hardcode limit for 4 digits in qlog
[10:42] <crisb> bialix: yes, I noticed that in logwidget.py - but changing it to more than 4 digits didnt help
[10:44] <bialix> there is custom painting code
[10:44] <bialix> without looking into code I'd say there is several places which require to be fixed
[12:04] <Anteru> Hi
[12:06] <Anteru> I'm importing a svn repo into bzr, with 2324 revisions, but bzr says copying revision x/2304 -- is this normal?
[12:11] <jelmer> Anteru: yeah, that could be correct
[12:11] <jelmer> Anteru: bazaar only imports branches, and some commits in svn might have been outside of actual branches
[12:11] <Anteru> err, I'm trying to import _the whole repo_
[12:12] <jelmer> Anteru: if you create a "branches" directory in svn that wouldn't show up in bazaar anywhere
[12:12] <Anteru> with /branches, /tags, /trunk
[12:12] <Anteru> hm ok
[12:12] <Anteru> I previously tried git, where you have to specify the layout
[12:12] <Anteru> and git imports everything, including branches from svn
[12:13] <jelmer> Anteru: Git doesn't import these commits either afaik
[12:13] <jelmer> Anteru: e.g. if you add a file called README in /, which branch would you expect it to end up in?
[12:15] <Anteru> well, I would expect an error
[12:16] <Anteru> btw what are the parameters for the repository layout?
[12:17] <Anteru> it says "Using repository layout: trunk0"
[12:17] <jelmer> Anteru: yeah, that means the standard /trunk, /branches, /tags layout
[12:17] <Anteru> and looking at the doc page, it lists none, trunk,, and default: auto
[12:18] <Anteru> Ok, I'm halfway through, but I still don't get why revisions are missing
[12:18] <Anteru> I had one branch or so in the past in /branches/, which has been deleted
[12:20] <Anteru> I simply don't want to loose history
[12:21] <jelmer> Anteru: are you using --keep ?
[12:21] <Anteru> nope, will try
[12:21] <jelmer> and --all?
[12:22] <Anteru> why would I use keep when I use all?
[12:22] <Anteru> I just want the whole history
[12:22] <Anteru> that is, being able to restore anything which was stored in the SVN (d'uh, missed --all)
[12:34] <Anteru> ah ok, looks good
[12:37] <Anteru> thanks!
[12:37] <jelmer> sorry, was aaway
[12:38] <jelmer> Anteru: np, glad it worked
[12:39] <Anteru> just double-checking, with --all, it says copying revisions x/2314
[12:40] <Anteru> du, which is still 10 too few :/
[12:40] <Anteru> even with --keep --all
[12:41] <Anteru> I guess tags are skipped?
[12:45] <Anteru> ah damn, the folder /branches was called /branch some time back in ancient history
[12:46] <jelmer> Anteru: it should follow that
[12:46] <jelmer> Anteru: tags are not versioned in bazaar, so they wouldn't count as revisions
[12:46] <Anteru> ok I got 8 tags
[12:47] <Anteru> so 2 revisions ... one might be the /branch -> /branches rename
[12:47] <Anteru> and one might be the initial commit
[12:49] <jelmer> igc: Does fastexport/fastimport follow renames?
[12:49] <jelmer> (looking at the samba import)
[12:52] <Anteru> I guess even if there is something missing, it can't be a lot
[12:54] <igc> hi jelmer
[12:54] <igc> jelmer: yes it does, though I think one needs to explicitly ask git-fast-export to detect them
[12:55] <igc> and export them
[12:55] <igc> (and I didn't do that)
[12:55] <jelmer> igc: that might explain the big repo size
[12:55] <igc> interesting
[12:56] <igc> not that we've implemented copy support yet
[12:58] <jelmer> igc: copy support would help too I suppose
[12:58] <jelmer> igc: samba trunk has two top-level directories that have a lot of code in common
[12:59] <Anteru> w00t, just managed to work with a SVN repo from bzr
[13:00] <Anteru> though the "push" speed is kinda slow
[13:00] <jelmer> Anteru: it should be faster the second time around
[13:01] <jelmer> Anteru: the first time it has to update caches, etc
[13:01] <igc> jelmer: fyi, I changed the file-id algorithm and the repo size dropped from 500M+ to 350M.
[13:01] <igc> jelmer: jam gave me the tip to do that
[13:01] <jelmer> igc: wow, I wouldn't expect it to matter that much
[13:01] <igc> jelmer: I was generating file-ids using the full-path - now I just use the basename
[13:02] <igc> jelerm: scary ah - one line change having that sort of impact!
[13:02] <jelmer> igc: Yeah, indeed
[13:03] <jelmer> I should remember to do a similar thing next time I update the mappings for bzr-{git,hg}
[13:04] <Anteru> jelmer: I tried twice, it says something about finding tags each time
[13:04] <jelmer> Anteru: what version of bzr-svn are you using?
[13:04] <igc> jelmer: btw, how easy/hard would it be for you to convert svn-fast-export.py to use subvertpy instead of the std bindings?
[13:04] <Anteru> jelmer: bzrlib 2.0.0, python 2.5.4 (latest stable installer for windows)
[13:06] <jelmer> igc: should be fairly easy
[13:06] <igc> jelmer: it would be sweet if you could take a look - bug 273361 is driving me nuts
[13:07]  * jelmer has a look
[13:07] <igc> jelmer: the all-but-identical C implementation works fine
[13:07] <igc> jelmer: so I suspect the bindings
[13:08] <igc> jelmer: and furthermore, using the same bindings you are makes it easier for Windows users because they don't need to install extra pieces IIUIC
[13:10] <Anteru> jelmer: well, gotta go for a mo', gonna test more thoroughly later, thanks for the starting help! I'm evaluating a switch from SVN -> git/hg/bzr, and right now, bzr is back in the race ;)
[13:13] <Tak> one thing that makes bzr a big contender in that regard - for commands that apply, `svn blah` almost always maps directly to `bzr blah`
[13:13] <jelmer> igc: ah, right
[13:13] <jelmer> Anteru: cool :-)
[13:14] <Anteru> ciao
[14:04] <vila> jam: ping
[14:40] <johnf> jelmer: ping
[14:42] <johnf> lifeless: ping
[14:55] <vila> jam: ping
[14:57] <igc> night all
[14:57] <igc> hi vila
[14:58] <vila> wow, Ian, still up ?
[14:58] <igc> vila: we should catch up soon - I'm heading to bed now
[14:58] <igc> vila: just packaging up explorer 0.8.3 in time for the 2.0.1 release
[14:58] <igc> night
[14:58] <vila> k
[15:08]  * fullermd sneaks up behind vila and ties his shoelaces together.
[15:08] <vila> 8-)
[15:30] <jam> vila: pong
[15:31] <vila> jam: I'm not sure if this is related to bug #449776, but babune failed hard
[15:31] <vila> and it's clearly related to not being able to run without extensions
[15:32] <vila> jam: so frebsd7. freebsd8. tiger and leopard all failed
[15:32] <vila> jam: can you have a look and tell me ?
[15:33] <vila> jam: search for the last midnight run on babune, I'm running on specific branches since
[15:33] <fullermd> I'd hope not.  pyrex is way newer than that on BSD...
[15:33] <vila> and not installed on my OSX slaves, so :)
[15:34] <jam> vila: It is giving me times in "CEST", should I look for 00:00 ?
[15:34] <vila> jam: yes
[15:34] <vila> jam: build36 for freebsd7
[15:35] <jam> yeah, looking now
[15:35] <vila> ok
[15:35] <jam>     self.assertIs(k1, obj.add(k2)) AssertionError: ('foo',) is not ('foo',).
[15:35] <jam> that is a bit strange
[15:36] <jam> it hints that the hashing may be putting objects in different locations
[15:36] <jam> I know I had a bug there, but I had fixed it before submitting.
[15:36] <vila> jam: looks like you have another then :)
[15:37] <jam> vila: are any of the others failing?
[15:37] <jam> note that I'm planning on cutting 2.1.0b1 from before those patches for now
[15:37] <vila> jam: hardy, jaunty and karmic are ok
[15:37] <jam> since if I can't land everything, it isn't worth releasing part of it
[15:37] <vila> jam: gentoo too
[15:38] <jam> vila: is this a 32/64 bit issue?
[15:38] <vila> it shouldn't, karmic is a 64bits slave while hardy is a 32bits one
[15:38] <jam> k, and do you know the versions of python there ?
[15:38] <vila> and jaunty is 64 bits too
[15:39] <vila> freebsd7 is 2.5.4, errr, you have a selftest output, everything is mentioned there :)
[15:40] <vila>    bzr-2.1.0dev python-2.5.4 FreeBSD-7.2-RELEASE-amd64-64bit-ELF
[15:40] <jam> mthaddon: ping (are you the LOSA online right now?)
[15:41] <mthaddon> jam: yep (but we all highlight on losa, so you can just ping losa)
[15:41] <jam> mthaddon: ah, good. I always have trouble tracking you guys down :)
[15:41] <jam> I need to cut 2 new branches for pqm
[15:41] <jam> can you help me?
[15:42] <mthaddon> jam: I can do, but it'd be ideal if you could put it all in an RT request
[15:42] <jam> mthaddon: I can, though the rt system honestly confuses me quite a bit
[15:42] <jam> I'm never really sure what I need to put into the request
[15:42] <jam> and "RT" isn't a great search term on the canonical wiki
[15:57] <jam> vila: do you have access to the freebsd machine, that I could try testing directly?
[15:57] <jam> The test suite passes for me on python2.5.2 on Jaunty
[15:58] <jam> also, do you know why tiger and leopard are failing the test suite?
[15:58] <jam> well, failing to build
[15:59] <vila> jam: not really, I think the MIN MAX are warnings only, the 'lipo: can't figure out the architecture type of: /var/tmp//cczgHHiH.out' is a bit puzzling
[16:01] <jam> so, warning "MIN" redefined is code I didn't touch., and as you say it is only a warning
[16:01] <jam> bzrlib/_static_tuple_c.c:32:33: error: bzrlib/_static_tuple_c.c:32:33:_simple_set_pyx_api.h: No such file or directory
[16:01] <jam> That fails because we need to compile _simple_set_pyx.pyx first
[16:01] <jam> as it auto-generates the api.h file
[16:02] <jam> and since you don't have pyrex...
[16:03] <vila> ..which is a conf we want to support
[16:03] <vila> ..no pyrex, no C files
[16:03] <vila> until we version the C files
[16:03] <jam> *I* don't care to support people building *from source* who don't have pyrex/cython
[16:03] <vila> ...which we won't do in the coming minutes as you and I know damn well :)
[16:04] <jam> Tarball is a little bit different
[16:04] <jam> though again, if you are building from scratch, install dev tools
[16:04] <jam> we require gcc
[16:04] <vila> hmm
[16:05] <vila> yeah right, this predates babune running explicitly without extensions, so indeed I should install pyrex there
[16:05] <jam> pyrex used to be a lot more rare...
[16:05] <vila> AIUI I should be able to easy_install it....
[16:06] <vila> let's check that myth...
[16:06] <jam> I believe so
[16:12] <vila> pffff, easy_install is for 2.5 not 2.6.... how do I install it for 2.6...
[16:15] <jam> vila: I use easy_install here w/ py2.6
[16:16] <jam> though there is a huge discussion on python-dev about how setuptools is not properly maintained, you should use "Distribute", etc.
[16:16] <vila> jam: it's a distro problem, OSX came with 2.5 and easy_install, I needed 2.6  and installed it from python.org, but no easy-install there :-/
[16:16] <jam> vila: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/setuptools#cygwin-mac-os-x-linux-other
[16:16] <jam> http://pypi.python.org/packages/2.6/s/setuptools/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg#md5=ca37b1ff16fa2ede6e19383e7b59245a
[16:35] <jelmer> jopong
[17:49] <jam> vila: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jameinel/bzr/2.1-pyrex-64bit/+merge/13292
[17:49] <jam> should fix your freebsd issues
[18:08] <jam> mthaddon: any progress on creating the pqm branches?
[18:08] <mthaddon> jam: I'm afraid I've been tied up with other things all day and am close to EOD - I should be able to get to it tomorrow if another losa hasn't by then
[18:10] <jam> k
[20:21] <davidstrauss> How can I get bzr-svn to not use the svn 1.4 client I have also installed?
[20:22] <jelmer> davidstrauss: make sure subvertpy is linked against the right vcersion of subversion
[20:22] <davidstrauss> jelmer: how can i do that?
[20:23] <jelmer> davidstrauss: when building subvertpy, make sure that it finds the deveopment files for the version of subversion you'd like to use
[20:23] <jelmer> you can override the svn prefix with the SVN_PREFIX environment variable
[20:23] <davidstrauss> jelmer: I'm not building it. I'm just using the Bazaar DMG installer
[20:24] <jelmer> davidstrauss: doesn't that come with its own copy of the svn libs then?
[20:24] <davidstrauss> jelmer: not sure
[20:24] <davidstrauss> jelmer: but it keeps complaining about needing a newer svn to use my working copies
[20:24] <davidstrauss> jelmer: I'm using svn 1.6 for my own work
[20:24] <jelmer> davidstrauss: I suspect you're out of luck in that case, I think a ndewer version of svn would have to be included in the DMG
[20:33] <lifeless> moinish
[20:39] <vila> . o 0 ( fullermd and his jokes...)
[20:45] <fullermd> Jokes?  Hm, I'm fresh out today.  Maybe there's one in the pantry somewhere...
[20:47] <vila> You tied my shoelaces earlier and when I stood up... all my PCs crashed (gee, even my macs....
[20:48] <vila> ... in fact the whole block suffered a power outage....
[20:48] <fullermd> Crap, you mean I missed the next block over?
[20:48] <fullermd> I'll try harder next time, I swear.
[20:48] <vila> ...so thank you very much all the same
[20:49] <vila> it took nearly an hour to get out of the power outage (ok 45 minutes, 4-5 m-i-n-u-t-e-s ! 2009 !
[20:49] <vila> :D
[20:49] <fullermd> http://www.absurdnotions.org/page18.html    :p
[20:49] <vila> add to that nearly an hour more to get an internet back
[20:50] <jam> hey vila, /wave
[20:50] <vila> url ? you think I can already use url ? All I have right now is a poor emacs irc client running on borrowed wifi (thank neighbour !)
[20:50] <vila> ha jam !
[20:50] <jam> ouch
[20:51] <vila> jam: Were you still connected ?
[20:51] <fullermd> Wait, you can use emacs?  I figure with your shoes tied together, you didn't have enough appendages available to use it...
[20:51] <jam> I went offline for the last... 30 min or so
[20:51]  * jam went to the coffee house
[20:52] <vila> jam: I crashed exactly 3 hours ago
[20:52] <jam> I saw your client go offline
[20:52] <vila> and 3 mintes
[20:52] <vila> jam: that was it, no more power
[20:53] <vila> jam: I won't restart the full monty until tomorrow, did you have anything important or was everything in your submission already ?
[20:53] <jam> vila: how big of an outage? (house/street/block/city)?
[20:53] <vila> block
[20:53] <jam> vila: I think everything is submitted
[20:53] <jam> no worries about babune et al
[20:54] <vila> jam: good, I won't be able to review it tonight either so if you need it for some release, nag the aussies :)
[20:54] <jam> no, I'm not releasing that code
[20:54] <vila> good
[20:54] <jam> I want it to bake in bzr.dev for most of a cycle
[20:55] <vila> so I can (untie my shoelaces first) enjoy my evening ;-)
[20:55] <jam> though I won't be releasing until a losa responds to my rt request for new branches anyway
[20:55] <jam> vila: absolutely
[21:06] <zsquareplusc> is there any good reason why "bzr explorer" does NOT open a view of the branch you started it in?
[21:13] <jam> zsquareplusc: 'bzr explorer .'
[21:14] <jam> igc knows why, my guess is that you have the option by specifying '.', that if you don't specify it, it is assumed maybe you want the generic start
[21:16] <mathepic> igc: Okay, I fixed that typo. Do I resend merge request or do I resend review request?
[21:16] <zsquareplusc> heh, i'd make an option for the generic start as i don't care --how-long-an-option-is-when-i-click-a-link. but ok, good to know about "."
[21:16] <lifeless> mathepic: just reply to the thread saying its fixed
[21:18] <mathepic> Okay, thanks.
[21:28] <mathepic> I accidently sent that second review request on my merge, can someone approve that?
[21:57] <mfer> hey folks. i was wondering if someone could point me to simple (one app install) for bzr explorer or another good mac gui
[22:01] <ToyKeeper> mfer: I've enjoyed bzr-gtk, but I don't know whether it works on a mac.
[22:02] <jam> mfer: it is 'being worked on'. PyQt is a major dependency on the Mac, because there isn't a pre-built version
[22:02] <jam> I'm not sure on the current state, but the 'bzr-mac' mailing list talks about getting one built
[22:03] <mfer> jam: PyQT is a huge pain of a dependancy
[22:03] <mfer> jam: thanks, i'll check out the mac list
[22:03] <ToyKeeper> Any idea how to merge revisions from a git repo?  Someone imported my head revision then made several changes, and I'd like to merge it without manually replaying each revision.
[22:04] <jam><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:04] <jam> I think it is a launchpad group
[22:04] <jam> https://edge.launchpad.net/~bzr-mac
[22:04] <ToyKeeper> bzr-git can browse and convert the repo, but I haven't had any luck merging.
[22:06] <ToyKeeper> 'bzr merge' by itself bails due to having no common ancestor, which makes sense.
[22:07] <ToyKeeper> 'bzr merge -r 1.. ../git-branch' does nothing and claims "All changes applied successfully."
[22:07] <ToyKeeper> 'bzr merge -c 2 ../git-branch' fails with a conflict (even though the patch applies cleanly).
[22:08] <beuno> ToyKeeper, why do you need to specify a revision?
[22:08] <ToyKeeper> This works, except for losing timestams, commit messages, and other metadata:  bzr diff -c 2 ../git-branch | patch
[22:09] <ToyKeeper> beuno: I'm specifying a revision because 'merge' by itself can't find a common ancestor.
[22:09] <ToyKeeper> I'd like to tell it "local rev 123 equals remote rev 1" somehow, then merge normally.
[22:09] <beuno> ToyKeeper, ahd, I *think* you can force it to merge with -r -1
[22:10] <beuno> or -r 0, I can't remember
[22:10] <jam> beuno: -r 0..-1, but he at least thought he was doing that
[22:11] <jam> ToyKeeper: you tried "bzr merge -r 1..-1" ?
[22:11] <mfer> jam: seems the mac ui isn't going to come soon from the main lists. Most are interested in bzr explorer for mac which is a pain to install with the 140MB/3 dependencies you have to install first. and, the mac ui is only slowly being developed.
[22:11] <jam> that *might* be equivalent to -r 1..
[22:12] <ToyKeeper> jam: Similar result as '-c'; it thinks there's a conflict.
[22:13] <jam> ToyKeeper: are you sure there isn't a conflict?
[22:14] <ToyKeeper> The resulting commit is basically the same as if I had just rsync'd the content; no metadata or record of any intermediate revisions.
[22:14] <jam> ToyKeeper: so if you did '-r 0..' then it would record a merge
[22:14] <fullermd> If merge can't find a common ancestor itself, you're probably going to end up with a bit of a mess...
[22:14] <jam> but by doing a named rage
[22:14] <jam> range
[22:14] <ToyKeeper> There isn't a conflict.  Everything applies cleanly if I "diff | patch" each rev.
[22:14] <jam> then we are considering that to be a cherrypick
[22:14]  * ToyKeeper tries again from 0
[22:14] <jam> ToyKeeper: diff + patch a series of patches can still conflict on the endpoints...
[22:15] <jam> but I won't say it has to here
[22:15] <jam> you might try just merging and rejecting the first revision, to create a common ancestor
[22:15] <jam> and then applying from there
[22:15] <jam> (bzr merge -r 0..1; bzr revert .; bzr commit -m 'sync at the first rev')
[22:15] <jam> then again
[22:15] <jam> my guess is you are getting conflicts because of file-id differences
[22:16] <jam> but I can't guarantee that
[22:21] <ToyKeeper> jam: The last approach worked: merge -r 0..1 ; revert ; commit ; merge
[22:22] <ToyKeeper> I don't think I would have tried that.
[22:28] <ToyKeeper> Other than that bit of weirdness with merging, the git support works impressively well.  :)
[22:48] <ToyKeeper> D'oh.  "different rich-root support" made my coworker give up and go back to git.  :(
[22:50] <ToyKeeper> Perhaps I'll wait until most people have bzr 2 before trying again.
[22:51] <fullermd> You can use rich-root-pack on anything newer than 1.0.
[23:38] <ToyKeeper> fullermd: Yes, it just didn't happen that way and I think the guy was looking for an excuse to stop using bzr.  I guess I can't expect much else from kernel devs.
[23:56] <lifeless> the rich root transition hurts


[09:55] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:52] <rmg51> Morning
[11:00] <JonathanD> hi rmg51
[11:13] <rmg51> hi JonathanD
[17:17] <rmg51> well, that went bad
[17:17] <rmg51> just reinstalled 13.10 on my old computer
[17:17] <rmg51> lost the mouse
[17:18] <rmg51> i can't even get a command prompt
[17:31] <jedijf> rmg51: explain lost the most - do you have gui with no mouse?
[17:31] <rmg51> yep
[17:31] <jedijf> alt f2 terminal
[17:32] <rmg51> doesn't work
[17:32] <jedijf> or gnome-termina;
[17:32] <rmg51> neither work
[17:33] <rmg51> can't type
[17:33] <rmg51> the prompt doesn't come up
[17:33] <rmg51> trying reinstall again
[17:33] <jedijf> alt f2 will bring up "enter command"
[17:33] <rmg51> this time without saving anything
[17:34] <jedijf> try alt f2 top
[17:34] <rmg51> clean install
[17:34] <rmg51> can't
[17:34] <rmg51> doing a clean install
[17:35] <rmg51> also, no internet
[17:35] <rmg51> not even wired
[17:36] <rmg51> if this doesn't work I may have to try xubuntu
[17:36] <rmg51> or even mint
[17:44] <rmg51> that's better
[17:45] <rmg51> got a working mouse
[17:46] <rmg51> not sure about internet yet
[17:46] <rmg51> got a wired connection
[17:49] <rmg51> wireless is not working
[17:50] <rmg51> keeps disconnecting
[17:51] <rmg51> got it
[17:51] <rmg51> stupid netgear
[17:58] <rmg51> keeping the old settings was not a good idea
[17:58] <rmg51> clean install works
[18:00] <rmg51> now all I have to do is remember a new password :P


[01:44] <mooch337> Knome if you are here I need help!
[01:45] <mooch337> Hi Charlie you probably don't remeber me but I need your help with 8.10 if you can
[01:46] <mooch337> or can anyone help me
[01:47] <th0r> mooch337: maybe if you tell us what the problem is (in detail) someone can tell you if they can help
[01:48] <mooch337> I have a dial up modem and can't get it configured used wvdialconf no modem detected
[01:49] <th0r> mooch337: is the modem internal?
[01:49] <mooch337> yes
[01:50] <th0r> mooch337: open a terminal and type 'lspci'. That will give you a list of devices, see if the modem is among them
[01:50] <mooch337> ok give me a sec I am using my win box bbrb
[01:51] <mooch337> The modem is there
[01:52] <th0r> mooch337: can you see what device it is? It should be something like ttyS0 or maybe ttyS1
[01:52] <mooch337> ummm let me see...
[01:54] <mooch337> Modem: Pctel Inc. HSP Micromodem 56
[01:54] <th0r> mooch337: ok...try this...in the terminal type 'ls -l /dev/modem'
[01:54] <mooch337> alright hang on
[01:56] <mooch337> ls-l command not found
[01:57] <th0r> mooch337: there is a space betwee ls and -l
[01:57] <mooch337> I tried that too and said no such file or directory let me try it again
[01:57] <th0r> mooch337: ok...if it says no file or directory then the link isn't there.
[01:58] <th0r> mooch337: try this....in the terminal type 'cat /var/log/messages | grep modem'
[01:58] <mooch337> cannot access /dev/modem
[01:59] <mooch337> quotation in between?
[01:59] <th0r> mooch337: no quotes.
[02:00] <mooch337> ok
[02:00] <mooch337> brb let me try this
[02:02] <mooch337> then what
[02:04] <mooch337> do I need to type something else afterwards?
[02:04] <th0r> mooch337: if it returned with nothing then the modem wasn't discovered...which doesn't surprise me. The bad news...it is a winmodem, and they are unsupported. The good news, there IS a driver for ubuntu for them
[02:04] <mooch337> Yeah I know I dealt with it on Dapper Drake
[02:04] <th0r> mooch337: you can find it here.....http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/....but it needs to be compiled so you need to install the gcc compiler, kernel sources, and such.
[02:05] <mooch337> So once I download the driver what do I do next
[02:05] <th0r> mooch337: the README file in the tar.gz looks to have a pretty good set of instructions on how to compile it and install it.
[02:05] <mooch337> ok
[02:06] <th0r> mooch337: I did this for a winmodem once a couple of years back and it went pretty well...wasn't too hard to get working
[02:06] <mooch337> here's a question which driver is going to be the right one though
[02:06] <th0r> mooch337: the one labeled for Ubuntu
[02:07] <mooch337> but the kernel is a different version does it matter
[02:07] <th0r> mooch337: it is the best bet you are going to have at getting the modem to work. I would expect it to work since it will be compiled against the kernel source for YOUR kernel version
[02:09] <th0r> mooch337: just so you know...I googled 'Pctel Inc. HSP Micromodem 56 in ubuntu' and found quite a bit of information about getting that modem to work.
[02:09] <mooch337> what about how get everything set up on the desktop since network tools was omitted
[02:10] <th0r> mooch337: I don't understand the question
[02:11] <mooch337> The Network box for dial up cannot be found so do you know other ways to get the ISP info in a configured box for dial up?
[02:12] <th0r> mooch337: I haven't worked with dialup in years, and not at all on an ubuntu install, sorry
[02:12] <mooch337> I wish I had highspeed I wouldn't be going through this headache
[02:12] <th0r> mooch337: I would expect the network box to show up once you get the modem driver installed and the system recognizes there is a modem there
[02:13] <mooch337> I hope or may have to use wvdialconf
[02:13] <th0r> mooch337: another approach might be to use the windows drivers with ndiswrapper. I have never tried that, but you might see if there is any info on the web about it
[02:13] <th0r> mooch337: I have used wvdial and it works well, but won't do anything until the modem is running properly
[02:13] <mooch337> hmmmm thats interesting didn't think about that
[02:13] <mooch337> true very true
[02:14] <mooch337> ndiswrapper how does it work
[02:15] <th0r> mooch337: you need the drivers for windows, then you install ndiswrapper (it might already be there...I'm not sure). In a terminal you type ndiswrapper -i (filename) where filename is the .inf file for the driver
[02:16] <mooch337> is ndiswrapper used with conjunction with a winmodem maybe?
[02:16] <th0r> mooch337: I have never done it, but you might find info on the web from someone who has
[02:18] <mooch337> ok I'll check into then well let me try gettin the drivers and if I run into some trouble I'll comeback Thanks for your help thOr I really appreciate it!
[02:18] <th0r> mooch337: there appears to be a mailing list for the modem, so you might find help there...archives.linmodems.org
[02:18] <mooch337> yeah I am gonna need it these modems hate cupsys
[02:19] <th0r> mooch337: I haven't used a modem in years. This laptop doesn't have one, but I have a pcmcia modem if I ever need it.
[02:19] <mooch337> yeah Highspeed is the ticket nowadays
[02:19] <th0r> mooch337: wireless
[02:20] <mooch337> that too
[02:21] <mooch337> I am gonna network these boxes evenually when I do get Highspeed I can't DSL nor Cable so I have to settle for satellite
[02:21] <mooch337> get
[02:22] <mooch337> from what I heard satellite has its ups and downs but that's all I can get well let me get going
[02:22] <th0r> mooch337: check and see if you have a wireless isp around. My last job was working as a network admin for one. We could get high speed service to rural areas via the same wifi you use in the house
[02:23] <mooch337> isp wireless in a rural area ?
[02:24] <th0r> mooch337: yeah. We had a wifi hub on top of the water towers in the area north and east of Dallas. We could wifi a connection 7 miles or more so long as the house could SEE the top of the water tower
[02:24] <mooch337> I know theres a cellphone tower close by
[02:24] <th0r> mooch337: where are you located?
[02:24] <mooch337> in Mississippi
[02:25] <mooch337> the tower is not too far from us and it was built for lack of communication during Katrina
[02:25] <th0r> mooch337: might have one around. In areas like Arkansas or Missouri maybe not...the trees would be a problem. But in MS it isn't so hilly so you might have such service available
[02:26] <mooch337> I'll check and see
[02:26] <mooch337> well let me go thanks for your help thOr
[02:27] <th0r> good luck mooch337
[02:27] <mooch337> I am gonna need it
[02:27] <mooch337> take care
[02:54] <atom_fox> hi guys, just installed xubuntu 9.04 on my old pc yesterday... It's my 2nd linux distro... I would just like to know what is the best reference books I could use to play, experiment or explore xubuntu... or is there a site which I could visit? thanks...
[02:57] <th0r> atom_fox: there is a system administrators guide (sag), a network administrators guide (nag), an introduction to bash scripting, advanced bash scripting...amongst others. All are available in pdf form. Check the linux documentation project
[02:59] <atom_fox> thanks man...
[03:40] <maha> whats up booonties
[04:16] <pegon> Hey all was wondering how do I install an icon set from xfce-look.org?
[04:20] <Mooch> Hey I have installed my drivers for my dial up modem but having a problem with wvdialconf
[04:21] <Mooch> getting a error can anyone help me out
[04:23] <Mooch> anyone?
[04:27] <Mooch> is anyone familiar with dial up
[05:27] <chrisjomarmayor> I've installed xubuntu 9.04 on my old computer yesterday it's the first time that I used xubuntu, I did some changes regarding the desktop settings and now I'm having problems with the panels... After I've logged in today the panels does not appear and I can't access the pannel seetings, even from the settings manager... could someone give me a hand thanks
[05:27] <R1cochet> alt-f2
[05:27] <R1cochet> xfce4-panel
[05:27] <R1cochet> that should bring up the panels again
[05:29] <R1cochet> chrisjomarmayor: did u get my response?
[05:30] <chrisjomarmayor_> yup
[05:30] <chrisjomarmayor_> I'll try it
[05:30] <chrisjomarmayor_> it worked!!!
[05:31] <chrisjomarmayor_> but does this mean that I have to type this everytime I open xubuntu?
[05:32] <R1cochet> no
[05:32] <R1cochet> what ull need to do is...
[05:32] <R1cochet> u still here?
[05:34] <R1cochet> well when u go to log out tick the box that says "save settings". log out then log back in. the panels should be there. once you have them appearing on log in I would untick "save settings" from then on out
[11:01] <slow-motion> hu
[11:06] <TheSheep> eh?
[11:09] <kora-chan> heya im using jaunty x64 with network manager and network-manager-vpnc plugin. on connect i always get the error "no valid vpn secrets". any idea what went wrong?
[11:11] <Myrtti> kora-chan: restart networkmanager
[11:12] <Myrtti> kora-chan: sudo /etc/init.d/networkmanager restart
[11:12] <kora-chan> Myrtti: thanks ill try it
[11:13] <Myrtti> s/networkmanager/NetworkManager/
[11:18] <kora-chan> Myrtti: ok the second restart worked,.. wonder why it didnt work after the first reboot i made after installing it
[11:18] <kora-chan> Myrtti: thanks a lot
[11:21] <Myrtti> kora-chan: np
[11:23] <mellys> helo
[11:25] <mellys> need help for compiz on xubuntu
[11:25] <mellys> anyone online?
[11:25] <TheSheep> no
[11:25] <kora-chan> mellys: no one here *g*
[11:25] <TheSheep> !compiz | mellys
[11:26] <Paddy_EIRE> mellys: as I said compiz on that computer is most likely not going to work
[11:26] <mellys> just wana try
[11:27] <Paddy_EIRE> it already failed.. you tried
[11:27] <mellys> it failed on the nvidia driver
[11:27] <Paddy_EIRE> !nvidia
[11:42] <Paddy_EIRE> mellys: How did that go?
[11:44] <Paddy_EIRE> heh.. I bet mellys will be back in 5-10 asking the same question and getting the same answer
[11:44] <Paddy_EIRE> thats when there will be an outburst.. so predictable :-)
[12:03] <muttman> I dot see any panel. I have upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04
[12:04] <muttman> any extra settings needed?
[12:05] <TheSheep> alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel'
[12:05] <muttman> why by default it has not come
[12:06] <SiDi> !paste
[12:06] <SiDi> muttman: please paste your .xsession-errors file here
[12:06] <TheSheep> no idea, it probably crashed
[12:06] <muttman> ok
[12:07] <SiDi> and also, you might have to clear your session cache and xfce config if it happens again on next boot (for that, just "rm -r ~/.cache", and "mv .config/xfce4 .config/xfce4backup", from shell (ctrl+alt+f1 to go to shell mode))
[12:07] <SiDi> err.
[12:07] <SiDi> whatever then
[12:12] <jagadeesh> Sidi: http://pastebin.com/f3813195b
[12:15] <jagadeesh> Sidi: did it hint anything why panel is not appearing?
[12:17] <SiDi> wow
[12:17] <SiDi> go to shell with ctrl+alt+f1, and please type the following commands
[12:17] <SiDi> "rm -r ~/.cache", and "mv .config/xfce4 .config/xfce4backup"
[12:17] <SiDi> oh, before, type sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[12:17] <SiDi> and after you typed those two commands, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[12:17] <jagadeesh> ok
[12:17] <SiDi> with that you'll boot with a clear new xfce4 session
[12:33] <floating> is there still problems with intel graphics ?
[12:33] <floating> would i have problems with this jaunty with my mobile intel 915gm/gms 9100gml
[12:37] <floating> shold i install ubuntu 8 instead
[12:45] <liar_> floating: i am using jaunty and a older version of the driver, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/X/RevertingIntelDriverTo2.4
[13:55] <Pres-Gas> Good mornin'
[14:17] <Mooch188> is ttyS1 a correct fonfiguration for a dial up modem?
[14:18] <TheSheep> depends on where you connected it
[14:18] <TheSheep> ttyS1 is com2
[14:19] <mikechelen> floating, try searching forums for those models, heard mixed issues
[14:19] <fwerneburg> hi there
[14:20] <fwerneburg> can anyone help me with an xorg issue on a thinkpad?
[14:21] <Mooch188> TheSheep is there a way to look up where my modem is set at?
[14:22] <TheSheep> Mooch188: yes, follow the cable that sticks out of it, and see to which socket on the computer it is connected, then read what's written next to that socket.
[14:23] <Mooch188> hmmm ok brb
[14:29] <Who> Hello. I have just installed Xubuntu and I am surprised that my volume keys don't do anything (Jaunty). in XEV the _do_ provide XF86AusioRaiseVolume or LowerVolume but nothing happens when I press them. Is this supposed to happen?
[14:29] <Who> Do other people have working volume keys OOTB?
[14:29] <Mooch188> TheSheep I couldn't see any kindof number the PCI slot the modem is located is the 5th slot
[14:30] <Mooch188> when I installed the drivers for the modem the terminal told me where it was located but how do I located with the terminal
[14:37] <Mooch188> How do you check in the terminal to see where your modem is set at
[14:42] <TheSheep> Mooch188: ah, so it's a pci modem
[14:42] <TheSheep> Mooch188: try lspci
[14:42] <Mooch188> ok
[14:43] <TheSheep> dmesg | tail   might also show you something relevant
[14:47] <Mooch188> 00:06 ?
[14:47] <Mooch188> 00:06 Pctel 56 Micromodem
[14:47] <Mooch188> let me try the other
[14:49] <Mooch188> ok got it!
[14:49] <Mooch188> ttsyS
[14:49] <Mooch188> is that the same as ttyS1
[14:53] <TheSheep> no
[14:54] <Mooch188> TheSheep its located in ttyS
[14:54] <TheSheep> it has the letetrs s and y switched and lacks a 1
[14:54] <Mooch188> the configuration screen is asking me to choose the port
[14:55] <Mooch188> my modem is at dev/ttyS
[14:56] <TheSheep> /dev/ttyS0 or 1 or 2 or 3 most likely
[14:56] <TheSheep> there is no ttyS
[14:57] <Mooch188> hmmm when I ran the command you gave me it located the modem at ttyS
[14:59] <Mooch188> TheSheep ok ttyS_PCTEL0
[15:00] <Mooch188> is that ttyS0?
[15:01] <TheSheep> no
[15:01] <TheSheep> but it might exist
[15:01] <TheSheep> try it
[15:03] <Mooch188> ok
[15:24] <abra> wtf? http://itmages.ru/view.php?action=view&id=4943&key=adf1de
[15:47] <Mooch188> TheSheep question for you I have installed my modem drivers one problem I have is trying to edit my dial up info when I enter my info with gedit I get an I?O error and the error is failed to write to State file
[15:52] <Mooch188> How do i replace the gedit file and have it saved without getting a error?
[15:54] <genii> Mooch188: What command are you using which is giving you this? Something like:  gksu gedit /etc/ppp/peers/provider        or something?
[15:56] <Mooch188> sudo gedit /etc/wvdial.conf
[15:57] <Mooch188> I type this commmand out and save my settings then the terminal pops up with a error
[15:58] <Mooch188> I wonder if when I installed my drivers I didn't change my directory back to the driver instead of src would it have made a difference
[15:59] <Mooch188> when I was installing my drivers I was suppose to type cd ../
[15:59] <genii> "I/O error" of any kind usually hints toward hardware fail. But also, you should not use "sudo" with graphical applications. With gtk apps like gedit, use gksu.
[16:00] <Mooch188> hmmmm so should I replace sudo with gksu?
[16:01] <Mooch188> you think the drivers were not installed correctly?
[16:03] <Mooch188> thats my hunch
[16:08] <pIsIq> how can i activate the remote desktop ?
[16:13] <genii> Mooch188: When is the last time you scanned your drive for errors?
[16:15] <Mooch188> I haven't in a little while I just did the install of 8.10
[16:17] <Mooch188> What I don't understand is how before I saved the gedit with no errors and now a error pops up
[16:17] <pIsIq> how can i activate the remote desktop ? i cant find the remote desktop set up just the viewer
[16:17] <genii> Mooch188: As I think I've already said. I/O error almost always means hardware failure of some kind.
[16:18] <Mooch188> as you know 8.10 does not have the Network box like the previous versions did
[16:18] <genii> bad disk sectors, etc etc
[16:18] <Mooch188> hmmmm
[16:19] <Mooch188> I may try the drivers again sometimes my computer pops up with bad sectors and then corrects them but I may be wrong
[16:20] <Mooch188> I didn't have a problem with 8.10 install like I did before with the other drive I had
[16:20] <Mooch188> the other drive I installed dapper drake and after a while the drive pretty much died
[16:21] <Mooch188> couldn't run certain programs and just a lot of lock ups
[16:23] <Mooch188> I am gonna try the drivers one more time just to make sure because I think by me not changing my directory back from src to the modem driver dir might have caused a problem
[16:24] <Mooch188> According to my instructions that were posted for the older driver I had before I was suppose to drop down to the modem directory
[16:25] <Mooch188> genii: brb let try this again
[16:43] <Mooch188> genii: my usb card is conflicting
[16:46] <Mooch188> I bought a Startech USB card and I thought maybe linux might create a driver but its conflicting and I have a bad feeling its not compatibile
[16:47] <Mooch188> I probably need to see if can find some drivers for it?
[16:58] <Who> Do you guys have working Volume keys OOTB?
[17:03] <ruadh> Hi
[17:03] <ruadh> How do I open a .bin file?
[17:10] <premorphos> Q: is there any easy and user friendly program to brake encryptation and gain acsses to a wifi router.  i have a legimit reason im much willing to tell.
[17:13] <Who> ruadh: .bin could mean a number of things. Where is the file from, what is it?
[17:20] <premorphos> well i realise this is quite a hot potato..
[17:26] <Mooch188> I thought USB PCI cards were all compatible with linux
[17:27] <Mooch188> My modem won't run because of my USB card go figure
[17:28] <_Pete_> premorphos: what do you mean exactly? don't you get access to wifirouter by logging in to it via www-browser?
[17:28] <_Pete_> in case you know login/passwd
[17:29] <Mooch188> genii: you were right as sooon as I rebooted up came on a resource conflicting and its the usb card
[17:29] <Mooch188> my modem is in pci slot # 1
[17:30] <Mooch188> I need to remember to read and make sure whatever I buy is compatible with Linux sucks being a newbie
[17:31] <premorphos> i do? how?.. what i rely need is to go online.
[17:32] <_Pete_> by using someones wifi without permission?
[17:33] <premorphos> NO its my dads, but he had some one set it up, and my dad has never used a computer.
[17:35] <premorphos> so he tells me i can use the brodeband as much as i like. but there is a problem, how since its encrypted
[17:36] <_Pete_> and why exactly that's a problem?
[17:38] <premorphos> how can i get online if i dont have the key?
[17:39] <_Pete_> and your dad doesn't tell you that?
[17:39] <MalfermitaKodo> Hi Xubuntuistoj!
[17:40] <premorphos> btw tnx for taking your time. he ses there is no password. so i gess no
[17:40] <_Pete_> anyway login to the router and configure the password
[17:41] <MalfermitaKodo> Can anyone here explain/link me to an explanation on how I can install PCF or BDF fonts? the tutorials I found were really deprecated
[17:41] <premorphos> ok sweet...how?
[17:41] <premorphos> by cable?
[17:41] <_Pete_> read the routers manual
[17:41] <_Pete_> or do some smart googling
[17:42] <premorphos> absolutly.. its in turkish,, since im visiting from sweden.
[17:43] <MalfermitaKodo> an IP is an IP even in Turkish
[17:43] <premorphos> pete: il google.. i realyse im sounding a bit daft by now..
[17:43] <premorphos> ha ha i supose
[17:45] <premorphos> tanx m8.. il do my homework better next time
[17:46] <_Pete_> :)
[17:48] <TeXnicer> pre.. depending on the router its default... like if its a Fritz! Box you can usually access by cable ant URL: fritz.box
[17:50] <premorphos> il give you funny story to tell: i have installed all kinds of hackish tools and encryptation brakers, only to realise its a bit over my head having a hard time opening the terminal
[17:51] <premorphos> Tex: tnx you saved me a headache
[17:53] <jkl> hi, since I removed close to 300 orphaned packages with synaptic, abiword hangs at startup. problem persists even after complete reinstallation, any ideas?
[17:59] <MalfermitaKodo> jkl: any rubbish in your .abiword directory?
[18:00] <MalfermitaKodo> errr .AbiSuite
[18:00] <MalfermitaKodo> maybe rename it
[18:01] <jkl> nothing unusual in there
[18:02] <jkl> rename the directory?
[18:02] <MalfermitaKodo> If only you and no other user on your box has issues, that might be it
[18:03] <MalfermitaKodo> can't hurt to try it
[18:04] <jkl> hard to tell coz im the only user, but i'll give it a go
[18:05] <jkl> nope, no joy with that approach, im afraid
[18:05] <MalfermitaKodo> sorry!
[18:05] <jkl> no worries!
[18:05] <jkl> thanks
[18:06] <yeason> I have a buffalo G54HP card that uses the b43 module... I've modprobed this but I still get an error: "SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory" when I try to bring it up. I can't seem to figure out what hte issue is, any suggestions?
[18:18] <juxbox> hi
[18:19] <juxbox> does xubuntu support ATI display cards?
[18:23] <yeason> xorg does
[18:23] <yeason> and xubuntu uses xorg as the display system
[18:26] <juxbox> yeason: i used kubuntu 3 days ago and it didn't support my ATI and x crashed, so is there an official statement that says that it really does ?
[18:31] <yeason> juxbox: hmm... I can't say whether or not there's anything official... but I took a quick look at the repos to double check and xorg ATI support is in there
[18:32] <juxbox> hmm ok
[18:33] <yeason> since its in the repos I'd imagine it is, have you tried searching forums etc for the error you encountered
[18:33] <yeason> its possible its a known bug with a workaround
[18:33] <juxbox> yeason: yes it was a bug, also it couldn't recognize my sound cards
[18:36] <gamepockets> hello hello
[18:36] <yeason> juxbox: what type of computer is this?
[18:37] <juxbox> yeason: hp pavilion dv6 1105ee
[18:37] <gamepockets> does anyone know how to find out what your ip address is..
[18:37] <juxbox> gamepockets: lan ip or wan ip?
[18:38] <gamepockets> lan
[18:38] <juxbox> ifconfig
[18:38] <gamepockets> f config ok, thanks
[18:41] <yeason> juxbox: I'm not sure what to tell you, people in here might be able to give you better advice if you tried again and actually gave them the errors
[18:42] <yeason> I'm sorry there's not much I can do, a quick google search didn't really reveal much
[18:42] <juxbox> ya
[20:04] <slow-motion> hi
[20:11] <Wunderbar> okay, I need help with configure make make install stuff guys
[21:08] <Wunderbar> how to run thunar as root plz
[21:08] <Wunderbar> :)
[21:08] <Wunderbar>  /j #ubuntu
[21:40] <artistxe> curious what ppl use here to organize their music . right now I am using Exaile , but I am not really happy with it.
[21:41] <Myrtti> exaile or mpd
[21:44] <artistxe> my collection needs to be retagged maybe. ugh.
[21:55] <Nana> hi
[21:55] <Who> Anyone know much about how Xubuntu handles brightness keys?
[21:56] <Who> I'm getting really laggy response using notify-osd
[21:56] <Who> but if I use acpi_fakekey 224 it works nice and speedily
[21:59] <knome> Who, is there a reason not to use acpi_fakekey then?
[22:00] <Who> knome: well 2: 1. it requires root privelidges, 2) I don't know how to turn off what is already handling the keys
[22:00] <Who> knome: I'd be happy if you have any suggestions
[22:01] <knome> not really. haven't had to fight with any non/bad-wroking keys
[22:02] <joey_> can anybody tell me how to make the xfce panel transparent in 4.6?
[22:08] <joey_> let me rephrase that. anyone know how to make the panel transparent in xfce, but the icons opaque? I havv compiz, if that helps
[22:13] <Who> knome: the keys do work ;) just not _right_
[22:18] <joey_> anybody?
[22:24] <artistxe> joey_  . I do not think that you can do that
[22:29] <knome> joey_, you should ask #compiz maybe
[22:29] <artistxe> joey. if you use the new version of gnome-do with the docky option. you can have the dock always on top....turn off animations, and shrink the icons. it will look exactly the same
[22:29] <artistxe> I tried to do it with compiz as well. and asked around. the answer I got the most was "use awm"
[22:29] <joey_> I'm not thinking about the dock for applicatons, I've got cairo dock for that. I'm thinking more the dock at hthe top, with the menu and the system tray
[22:30] <artistxe> *awn
[22:30] <artistxe> and. what do you need in the sytem tray anyway ???
[22:31] <joey_> probably not much. thanks!
[22:31] <artistxe> problem solved ?
[22:34] <jkl> hi, since I removed close to 300 orphaned packages with synaptic, abiword hangs at startup. problem persists even after complete reinstallation, any ideas?
[22:39] <gamepockets> need some help setting up a network between a win lap and xub mac...
[22:48] <artistxe> jkl . when you say complete reinstall. you manually removed the config files ( .AbiSuite in your home directory ) ?  "complete" removal in Synaptic does not remove that btw...
[22:50] <jkl> ok well i was advised to do a complete synaptic removal and then restart the system before reinstalling, this didnt work.
[22:50] <jkl> i did not manually remove the files
[22:51] <artistxe> common mistake . alot of ppl do not remove these files , reinstall , and encounter same problems.
[22:51] <artistxe> and you should not have to restart system btw.
[22:51] <jkl> hmm, thanks for the tip, I will try this
[22:51] <artistxe> n/p
[23:03] <jimisrvrox> hey guys I am needing some help with getting this wireless card wmp54g card working if anybody can let me know thanks..
[23:06] <Slonkie> jimisrvrox wmp54g? what brand is that?
[23:06] <jimisrvrox> heh its a linksys
[23:06] <Slonkie> sorry no idea then
[23:06] <jimisrvrox> I forget how to look up the driver model..
[23:06] <jimisrvrox> could be either broadcom or ralink
[23:07] <frojnd> Hello there
[23:07] <frojnd> Some distributions have special methods for installing the firmware. In general these consist of a special command entered at a terminal.
[23:07] <frojnd> Ubuntu uses the following command: sudo /usr/share/b43-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh
[23:07] <frojnd> What would be the command for xubuntu then?
[23:08] <Slonkie> i'd say the same.
[23:08] <frojnd> Slonkie: hum I've tried but I get command not found
[23:08] <Slonkie> hm okay
[23:08] <frojnd> it's not even there b43-fwcutter
[23:08] <frojnd> in the /usr/share/
[23:09] <frojnd> I tired which b43-fwcutter but It didn't give me any path
[23:27] <iliketofrolic666> are there any programs for xubuntu to control it with a microphone like vista has?
[23:48] <SiDi> frojnd, install b43-fcutter first
[23:48] <SiDi> fwcutter
[23:48] <SiDi> frojnd, sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter
[23:48] <SiDi> then the file will be there
[23:56] <jimisrvrox> siDi: you around?
[23:56] <SiDi> no
[23:56] <SiDi> :)
[23:56] <jimisrvrox> heh
[23:57] <SiDi> sry but i dont know anything about linksys cards either :p
[23:57] <jimisrvrox> im tryin to get this broadcom 4813 to work and thus far ive got this bcmwl5.inf installed...
[23:57] <jimisrvrox> says I have fwcutter already installed but im unable to access it to extract the .sys file..
[23:58] <SiDi> i think you should be using ndiswrapper
[23:58] <jimisrvrox> well I went that route as well and did ndiswrapper -l shows the driver is installed..then I did -m says theres a module there so..im hoping everything will work..
[23:59] <jimisrvrox> nope didnt work..