[09:33] <Windy> but mplayer won't recognise the files
[09:33] <Windy> and i remember i had to get gstreamer plugs
[09:33] <Windy> which i got via the add/remove
[09:33] <Windy> but i feel like i missed a step somewhere
[09:33] <screechingcat> Windy: system>admin>device manager
[09:33] <yuesefa> nolimitsoya:can't install ubuntu on my new 64-bit core 2 duo processor
[09:33] <sean_> Hi all - trying to install nvidia drivers, is this the right place to ask?
[09:33] <orestyle5> xipietotec:  ya, messed with it alittle
[09:33] <yuesefa> is there any  solutions?
[09:33] <VigoFuse> Windy: Did you Multiverse and get the win32codecs?
[09:34] <DARKGuy> sean_: If your distro is ubuntu-based, I guess
[09:34] <orestyle5> xipietotec:  Hey found the program I was looking for.  Its called tsclient (gnome plugin)
[09:34] <sean_> Need help, cant startx API mismatch nvidia kernel module older than X module, after running nvidia installer, thoughts?
[09:34] <DARKGuy> sean_: ouch, I had a similar problem and couldn't solve it and had to reinstall. Sincerely I do't know how to fix it but maybe someone here does?
[09:34] <sean_> kernel - 1.0-7184 , X 1.0-9629
[09:35] <frogzoo> BrokenPipe: think the problem maybe is you're giving vgextend the name of the pv, not the lv, the man page example is "vgextend  vg00  /dev/sda4  /dev/sdn1"
[09:35] <CR265> Hi all!
[09:35] <Windy> screechingcat: i think i already looked there
[09:35] <tabman> I'm playing youtube and I can hear the sound, I can hear the sound with Rythmbox Music Player
[09:35] <Windy> VigoFuse: hmm, probably not
[09:35] <tabman> *I can't hear the sound on youtube
[09:35] <Windy> there's a link somewhere on how to do it right? i had to reinstall since last time updating to edgy hosed my system
[09:35] <CR265> Is Ogra around?
[09:35] <Windy> so i forgot how to enable universe repos and the names of the packages
[09:35] <VigoFuse> Windy: as I understand it, that is what needs to be done to play WMA
[09:36] <Windy> yeah
[09:36] <Windy> it shouldn't be needed for stuff like mpegs
[09:36] <JoshJ> !enablingrepositories
[09:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about enablingrepositories - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:36] <BrokenPipe> frogzoo: I don't understand what you're saying. The example is exactly how I did it.
[09:36] <JoshJ> !repositories
[09:36] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[09:36] <JoshJ> there
[09:36] <tabman> ?
[09:36] <sean_> How do I remove the nvidia module from the kernel?
[09:36] <VigoFuse> It kinda messed up, NPR uses WMP,WMA as default, no .oog or whatever support.
[09:37] <JoshJ> !wmp
[09:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wmp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:37] <JoshJ> bleh
[09:37] <JoshJ> !restrictedformats
[09:37] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:37] <JoshJ> that has it :[
[09:37] <VigoFuse> !WMA
[09:37] <Windy> eh, confused
[09:37] <JoshJ> just follow the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories
[09:38] <Windy> screechingcat: yeah, i've looked at device manager, not the same
[09:38] <Windy> heh
[09:38] <Windy> i never remember which text file to edit
[09:38] <VigoFuse> Windy: Windows Codecs are Restricted and Propietary codecs, certain stuff has to be set in order to make them compatible.
[09:38] <Windy> yeah i'm aware of that
[09:39] <Windy> in my case mplayer won't play stuff that totem can play fine
[09:39] <JoshJ> it's /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:39] <JoshJ> and in that case just use totem, silly :P
[09:39] <Windy> sources that's the one
[09:39] <Windy> thanks
[09:39] <Windy> i know how to do it, i just never remember the file
[09:39] <Windy> oh and since when was file paths case sensitive?
[09:40] <we2by> hi
[09:40] <JoshJ> Windy: since 1991, when linux came out?
[09:40] <we2by> does the ubuntu live cd come with gnomebaker?
[09:40] <frogzoo> BrokenPipe: when you did pvcreate, did you pass options "format = "lvm2"" ?
[09:40] <Windy> bugger :/
[09:40] <JoshJ> we2by: not sure if it's installed on there by default, but you can install it while running from the live cd
[09:40] <Windy> it was stuffing me over to no end when i was trying to edit xorg.conf
[09:41] <JoshJ> (if it's not)
[09:41] <we2by> JoshJ, but is it on the cd?
[09:41] <al> oh~!!  Sweet!!  Realplayer can play rmvb file in x64 !  thanks buddy!
[09:41] <JoshJ> we2by: i don't know :P
[09:41] <frogzoo> BrokenPipe: btw, the manpages say the procedure is pvcreate, the vgextend, so you're on the right track
[09:41] <Windy> bah, odd linux conventions, i assume there's reason for it
[09:41] <tabman> I have no sound on youtube ?
[09:41] <JoshJ> Windy: casesensitivity is a good thing
[09:41] <tanlaan> how do you uninstall ubuntu? I installed it onto the wrong partition/drive. I want to get rid of ubuntu AND grub.
[09:41] <VigoFuse> Realplayer works in Ubuntu6.10 Edgy?
[09:41] <compengi_> we2by, gnomebaker isn't installed on default
[09:41] <Windy> improved security in case hackers jeopardise the lower case or some such
[09:41] <tanlaan> how do you uninstall ubuntu? I installed it onto the wrong partition/drive. I want to get rid of ubuntu AND grub.
[09:41] <orestyle5> !time
[09:41] <ubotu> time: The GNU time program for measuring cpu resource usage. In component main, is standard. Version 1.7-21 (edgy), package size 31 kB, installed size 144 kB
[09:41] <we2by> shit
[09:42] <Windy> JoshJ: in a password, maybe
[09:42] <we2by> I need a burn software :(
[09:42] <RawSewage> What MMORPGs work on Ubuntu
[09:42] <Windy> in a file path? senseless imo
[09:42] <frogzoo> Windy: file paths in nix have been case sensitive from year dot
[09:42] <JoshJ> yeah...
[09:42] <tanlaan> sorry for the double post
[09:42] <JoshJ> it's not just linux, it's unix period
[09:42] <Windy> RawSewage: not Lineage II, i know that
[09:42] <JoshJ> probably in POSIX specs somewhere
[09:42] <compengi_> we2by, install k3b
[09:42] <frogzoo> RawSewage: WoW works, best if you have nvidia though
[09:42] <Windy> JoshJ: oh well
[09:42] <JoshJ> RawSewage: WoW works under wine/cedega
[09:42] <we2by> compengi_, no internet connection
[09:42] <RawSewage> frogzoo, I do
[09:42] <Windy> i'm not really fully aware of the reasons/specs
[09:42] <compengi_> oh
[09:42] <DARKGuy> RawSewage: WoW works in Ubuntu
[09:42] <RawSewage> I need Cedega?
[09:42] <JoshJ> or wine
[09:43] <DARKGuy> Cedega and Wine do
[09:43] <RawSewage> JoshJ, plain Wine?
[09:43] <JoshJ> sure
[09:43] <FirstStrike> A lot of people running cedega have been getting banned by blizzard for 'running cheats' when in reality they were simply running cedega and it triggered their anti-cheats or whatever.
[09:43] <defrysk> !upgrade > defrysk
[09:43] <FirstStrike> So, be wary.
[09:43] <JoshJ> yeah, cedega, not wine- worth noting
[09:43] <RawSewage> ty
[09:43] <tanlaan> Can anyone help me with the uninstall of ubuntu?
[09:43] <compengi_> we2by, but by default linux has a burning cd which if you insert a blank cd it will pop up and will allow you to create data cd
[09:43] <JoshJ> !uninstall
[09:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uninstall - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:43] <DARKGuy> The Warden just doesn't get the process list in Cedega and it uses API not allowed by it so...
[09:43] <JoshJ> bleh
[09:43] <orestyle5> finally got joe installed
[09:44] <DARKGuy> it's just a plain stupid excuse for Blizzard, since people is using hacks anyways
[09:44] <RawSewage> Can I make money playing WoW, or is that too sweatshopped
[09:44] <frogzoo> RawSewage: you'll need the up to date wine deb, not the standard ubuntu repo one
[09:44] <we2by> ok, cool
[09:44] <RawSewage> frogzoo, ok
[09:44] <frogzoo> !wine | RawSewage
[09:44] <ubotu> RawSewage: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[09:44] <JoshJ> RawSewage: you can make money playing wow if you want to spend 16 hours a day borging
[09:44] <DARKGuy> RawSewage: JoshJ's right, besides it's not very encouraged
[09:44] <compengi_> we2by, but if you are willing to copy  a cd you can right click on the source cd a click then on copy then give a destination disk
[09:44] <FirstStrike> DARKGuy: There's a long, long thread of people banned complaining on the cedega and WoW forums
[09:44] <compengi_> and*
[09:44] <DARKGuy> FirstStrike: Yeah, I read it u.u
[09:44] <tabman> damn, this channel is overloaded now, I've come here after a month, Ubuntu needs to find other sources for quick help too many people using it resulting it too many people coming for help
[09:45] <VigoFuse> I made some sweet coins playing EQ.
[09:45] <JoshJ> it hasn't really gotten that much bigger in the past month
[09:45] <tabman> and no one replying to my query
[09:45] <DARKGuy> tabman: and too many learning which means lots of help
[09:45] <DARKGuy> tabman: Well, maybe nobody at this hour knows
[09:45] <JoshJ> tabman: repeat it then
[09:45] <tabman> I did twice man :)
[09:45] <JoshJ> oh
[09:45] <JoshJ> !flash sound
[09:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flash sound - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:45] <JoshJ> or something
[09:45] <JoshJ> there's a wiki page for it
[09:45] <JoshJ> !sound
[09:45] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[09:46] <JoshJ> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[09:46] <JoshJ> it's on there
[09:46] <JoshJ> control-f for alsa-oss
[09:46] <orestyle5> imagine if 3 percent of the world using linux for desktop....
[09:46] <VigoFuse> Did the jury come back on EasyUbuntu? or is that still out?
[09:46] <JoshJ> orestyle5: i think it's more than that worldwide
[09:46] <frogzoo> orestyle5: what's the actual %?
[09:46] <britt> are there any alternatives for a login program
[09:46] <orestyle5> actually I think its less
[09:46] <JoshJ> VigoFuse: as far as i know it's basically "not as bad as automatix but it's not recommended"
[09:46] <britt> maybe one that can auto-login
[09:47] <JoshJ> !autologin
[09:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autologin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:47] <JoshJ> !login
[09:47] <ubotu> login: system login tools. In component main, is required. Version 1:4.0.16-2ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 306 kB, installed size 2776 kB
[09:47] <JoshJ> grr, there's a wiki page for that
[09:47] <VigoFuse> JoshJ: Thank you
[09:47] <JoshJ> >:[
[09:47] <britt> JoshJ, nice.
[09:47] <britt> ;)
[09:47] <britt> uh, i know of a autologin script
[09:47] <JoshJ> xipietotec: skins?
[09:47] <xipietotec> gaim is not skinnable
[09:47] <orestyle5> frogzoo:  read an article, I thinks its 1%
[09:47] <JoshJ> ah hrm
[09:48] <JoshJ> orestyle5: it's definitely more than 1%
[09:48] <britt> but everytime i turn off the terminal, getty does not respawn
[09:48] <FirstStrike> oh, if anyone uses amsn..0.96 just came out a couple days ago. it's workin good so far.
[09:48] <JoshJ> i'd guess maybe 5-10 percent worldwide
[09:48] <al> thanks for helping~  bye bye
[09:48] <orestyle5> JoshJ:  for servers yes, but desktops?
[09:48] <JoshJ> keep in mind europe has a higher linux adoption rate than america
[09:48] <nikin> i hate update managger
[09:48] <JoshJ> i believe germany and france are pushing 30% linux?
[09:48] <JoshJ> something like that
[09:48] <orestyle5> JoshJ:  I need to find that linux article
[09:48] <orestyle5> linux article
[09:48] <Microsoft_Spy> When people get of hold of Vista they will probly be changing quicker too
[09:48] <orestyle5> Ya, wait till vista comes out
[09:49] <JoshJ> OMG it's a microsoft spy quick everyone hide!
[09:49] <JoshJ> >_>
[09:49] <Microsoft_Spy> Vista is craaaapy
[09:49] <JoshJ> heh yeah
[09:49] <lola> hey.. I installed ubuntu on the third partition of my macbook yesterday, with lilo as a bootloadder, and everything worked fine until my approx~ twentieth reboot responded with ten printed rows of 9A 9A 9A 9A....
[09:49] <JoshJ> did you see the article about the shutdown menu?
[09:49] <lola> any tips?
[09:49] <JoshJ> lola: you sure it wasn't the 30th?
[09:49] <nikin> why can't that program correctly calculate the time what is left over? it is wrong for about 1200%, if not more
[09:49] <JoshJ> every 30 reboots ubuntu wants to check the filesystem
[09:49] <lola> ;P
[09:49] <orestyle5> My InformationWeek had some article on Vista
[09:49] <lola> I'm thinking that it might have to do with an update of my kernel
[09:50] <JoshJ> i find it hilarious that it took them over a year to get that silly shutdown menu
[09:50] <Microsoft_Spy> I like how ubuntu server doesn't do graphical gui by default
[09:50] <JoshJ> i thought most (non-NT) servers did no-graphics by default?
[09:50] <orestyle5> why would you want a gui on a server?
[09:50] <Microsoft_Spy> Dunno mate.....reading between the lines Mark Shuttleworth wants to replace Debian eventually
[09:50] <JoshJ> to do a better job of BOFHing
[09:50] <VigoFuse> To play games!
[09:51] <JoshJ> actually shuttleworth's basically said ubuntu can't exist without debian
[09:51] <orestyle5> Sweet games on the dual processor server....  Those where the days
[09:51] <lola> JoshJ but do you think that it might effect lilo?
[09:51] <JoshJ> i assume you'd be "better off" with ubuntu servers if you used ubuntu desktops
[09:51] <JoshJ> oh, don't use lilo, i have no clue :(
[09:51] <Microsoft_Spy> Josh...Sorry wrong window., but yeah can't exist at the moment, but when he gets some more financial backing that might be a different story
[09:52] <lola> macbooks are sucky computers to get working with linux
[09:52] <lola> :(
[09:52] <Microsoft_Spy> JoshJ.....Samba works good
[09:52] <JoshJ> i'm starting to think some major linux distro should basically make the equivalent of mac stores near college campuses
[09:52] <frogzoo> Microsoft_Spy: can't be done - Linux only works because of the community
[09:52] <JoshJ> i know if a store selling computers built *for* linux opened up near GT it'd do well
[09:52] <matthew_> lol, it took them 20 something people to "Design" the shutdown menu and get the code written...puh-freakin'-leaze
[09:53] <matthew_> good night, all
[09:53] <Microsoft_Spy> frogzoo....The community will still exist, I suspect if Debian keeps loosing it's user base they will need somewhere to go
[09:53] <orestyle5> I think most linux distros should find a standard way to do packages
[09:53] <we2by> lola, I got a macboook working with ubuntu edgy
[09:53] <VigoFuse> Ubuntu is being sold all over Amazon, 4.95-6.95 a pop, Winders came down, $79.00 now,,,xp Home
[09:53] <JoshJ> orestyle5: there basically are- apt and rpm
[09:53] <frogzoo> Microsoft_Spy: there's several other distros hanging off debian's coattails too
[09:53] <orestyle5> yast?
[09:54] <orestyle5> What is mandrava using?
[09:54] <JoshJ> yast is a full blown sysadmin tool isn't it?
[09:54] <JoshJ> mandriva uses rpm/yum
[09:54] <lola> we2by, nice! I installed edgy too..
[09:54] <britt> in edgy, what is used instead of cron?
[09:54] <JoshJ> suse uses rpm, i think yast is just a different frontend
[09:54] <orestyle5> Just came to mind, not really sure
[09:54] <JoshJ> !cron
[09:54] <ubotu> cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto  -  There is also a decent Howto at http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[09:54] <orestyle5> Ah
[09:54] <JoshJ> !anacron
[09:54] <ubotu> anacron: a cron-like program that doesn't go by time. In component main, is optional. Version 2.3-11ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 30 kB, installed size 232 kB
[09:54] <lola> we2by did you experience bootloader problems?
[09:54] <britt> i need to run something every second
[09:54] <JoshJ> hrm
[09:54] <JoshJ> not it i guess
[09:54] <JoshJ> !vickycron
[09:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vickycron - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:54] <xipietotec> I hope the gaim people decide to copy gtalk's GUI
[09:54] <frogzoo> britt: there's cron & anacron
[09:54] <we2by> lola, I got kernel panic form time to time, but it is a kown issue
[09:54] <xipietotec> it's so much better...
[09:54] <Microsoft_Spy> frog: Mark Shuttleworth said in an interview on youtube that he wants Ubuntu to be what other people develop off....Reading into it, I was thinking he eventually wants to be where Debian is now
[09:54] <we2by> lola, be sure to run lilo -p
[09:55] <britt> frogzoo, whatever will let me run a command every second
[09:55] <lola> we2by ok
[09:55] <we2by> lola, there is a guide on macbook+ubuntu
[09:55] <britt> i assume cron?
[09:55] <we2by> google it
[09:55] <orestyle5> Who is Mark Shuttleworth?  :)
[09:55] <JoshJ> !shuttleworth
[09:55] <frogzoo> Microsoft_Spy: yeh, well sometimes you don't get what you wish for
[09:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shuttleworth - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:55] <JoshJ> ...
[09:55] <nolimitsoya> bdfl
[09:55] <JoshJ> THAT should be fixed!
[09:55] <JoshJ> rofl
[09:55] <we2by> bbl
[09:55] <VigoFuse> LOL
[09:55] <nolimitsoya> sabdfl, to be precice :P
[09:55] <JoshJ> shuttleworth is basically the "benevolent dictator for life" of ubuntu
[09:55] <xipietotec> orestyle5: Mark Shuttleworth is a friend of Steve Ballmer....
[09:55] <frogzoo> !bdfl | orestyle5
[09:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bdfl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:55] <lola> we2by.. ok, yeah Ive followed it a bit but I got a bit scared when I woke up this morning and got such a weird problem :)
[09:55] <compengi_> how can i check what flash version i have for firefox?
[09:55] <Microsoft_Spy> frog...I agree....Sometimes if u have $ you have more of a chance of getting what you want too
[09:56] <crimsun> compengi_: about:plugins
[09:56] <nolimitsoya> !sapbdfl
[09:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sapbdfl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:56] <nolimitsoya> >_<
[09:56] <lola> we2by I spent all day yesterday fixing beryl and stuff :)
[09:56] <nolimitsoya> ubotu needs educating...
[09:56] <orestyle5> Ah, well, we got Linus here in my neck of the woods (Beaverton)
[09:56] <Microsoft_Spy> Sorta the Bill Gates of the Linux world
[09:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about needs educating... - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:56] <JoshJ> ..heh
[09:56] <Microsoft_Spy> or would that be Linus Torvald....I dunno
[09:56] <nikin> compengi_ : rightclick on it
[09:57] <JoshJ> i don't think there is a "bill gates (or steve ballmer) of the linux world"
[09:57] <compengi_> nikin, right click on whaT?
[09:57] <orestyle5> Yep, Linus Torvald
[09:57] <frogzoo> Microsoft_Spy: I'd always assumed Canonical's aim was to turn a profit by offering the commercial support
[09:57] <nothlit> Lol ^
[09:57] <JoshJ> ...heh
[09:57] <nikin> Compengi: on a flash banner
[09:57] <JoshJ> actually ubuntu's purpose is to solve bug #1
[09:57] <JoshJ> https://launchpad.net/bug1.html
[09:57] <britt> i see crontab
[09:57] <nikin> compengi_ and there will be some kind of an About menu
[09:57] <britt> and i see the minute column
[09:57] <nothlit> linus is just as much a figure as bill gates or steve ballmer
[09:58] <britt> can i run something 1/60th of a minute
[09:58] <nolimitsoya> bug #1 is an irritating bug for sure...
[09:58] <compengi_> i didn't get where should i click =/
[09:58] <orestyle5> basically the father of linux
[09:58] <nolimitsoya> im hoping itll be patched soon :P
[09:58] <nothlit> britt, why?
[09:58] <frogzoo> JoshJ: bug #1 is an ubuntu bug -> you have deadlock
[09:58] <compengi_> and where to go
[09:58] <nikin> what is bug #1?
[09:58] <britt> nothlit, bc i cant get getty to respawn
[09:58] <britt> so when i turn off my serial terminal
[09:58] <JoshJ> nikin : https://launchpad.net/bug1.html
[09:58] <britt> getty dumps out
[09:58] <nolimitsoya> nikin, that we havnt reached world dominion yet :P
[09:59] <britt> i need to issue 'sudo start ttyS1' every 2 seconds or so
[09:59] <compengi> crimsun, where is about:plugin found?
[09:59] <nikin> JohsJ: i ame still in Terminal, but ty
[09:59] <JoshJ> uh that seems like a horrible workaround britt :(
[09:59] <JoshJ> nikin: use lynx?
[09:59] <Microsoft_Spy> frogzoo: Yeah I assumed that too....It's funny how success changes things though
[09:59] <JoshJ> or links?
[09:59] <britt> JoshJ, you have any other suggestion
[09:59] <JoshJ> britt : wait til you find a real solution? :(
[10:00] <britt> JoshJ, sigh
[10:00] <Microsoft_Spy> frogzoo: However I doubt he will ever weild as much control as Bill Gates, due to the whole community thing
[10:00] <JoshJ> i dunno, that whole "run a command every second via crontab" solution seems like it belongs on thedailywtf.com
[10:00] <nikin> JoshJ, yeye... you are right, but i ame darn tired .... its 10AM dude, and i didnt sleep, but i will look after it
[10:00] <JoshJ> Microsoft_Spy: i'd say that's a good thing
[10:00] <orestyle5> I love that site
[10:00] <Microsoft_Spy> I remember reading about a few comments bill made off the record about Linux being pretty good
[10:00] <frogzoo> Microsoft_Spy: remember because of the licencing, anyone can always just repackage ubuntu & if they do it better, that's where the user base will go
[10:00] <britt> i wonder if i could get the autologin script to pass the 'start ttyS1' at the end
[10:00] <nolimitsoya> Microsoft_Spy, well, he is the dictator for life... thing is, with linux there is always alternatives :) thats what will keep the hybris back
[10:00] <Microsoft_Spy> Josh...Ohh yeah, very good thing
[10:00] <JoshJ> giving too much power to one person is a bad thing
[10:01] <britt> anybody know how to pass a command using C
[10:01] <britt> i forgot
[10:01] <frogzoo> nolimitsoya: MS is the "self appointed" dictator for life - it's an important distinction
[10:01] <crimsun> compengi: the location bar
[10:01] <orestyle5> Ya, but nothing lasts forever!
[10:01] <nolimitsoya> frogzoo, i was talking about shuttleworth...
[10:02] <nikin> britt: what does this "start ttyS1" do?
[10:02] <Microsoft_Spy> We need more standards through linux distributions though.....particularly in package management.
[10:02] <orestyle5> That what I was saying
[10:02] <JoshJ> i kinda think it's okay to have deb and rpm
[10:02] <frogzoo> nolimitsoya: curiously Mark Shuttleworth = MS
[10:02] <JoshJ> there's not much beyond that
[10:02] <nolimitsoya> Microsoft_Spy, na, what we need is free, fair and open competition. thats what we got right now.
[10:02] <Microsoft_Spy> Hmmm yeah I like Puppy Linux too.....I designed a robot on it for my masters
[10:02] <JoshJ> no, we have pretend competition
[10:02] <orestyle5> Go to get a piece of software, theres the to five different packages
[10:02] <JoshJ> where microsoft pretends to let the others compete
[10:02] <nikin> JoshJ: my printer doesnt work coz we have deb and rpm... arghhhh
[10:03] <VigoFuse> 99% of us grew up on MS , and are still useing it, fact is the geek did good, now he married a babe, so he left the company, as geekes will do,
[10:03] <compengi> crimsun, you mean in firefox?
[10:03] <nolimitsoya> frogzoo, right... did catch it right the first time :)
[10:03] <orestyle5> I started out with Apple, but the screen was green
[10:03] <britt> nikin, starts a terminal to a serial port, so my terminal can access it
[10:03] <Microsoft_Spy> nolimit: Yeah I guess, that can be a pain in the but too...I guess it all depends what you want to achieve
[10:03] <britt> i have a serial terminal
[10:03] <nolimitsoya> JoshJ, i was referring to standardisation of package management
[10:03] <VigoFuse> Zenith 840, LOVED that Green Text
[10:03] <nikin> britt: and why do you need a new terminal ain every second?
[10:04] <we2by> omg, lol
[10:04] <nolimitsoya> Microsoft_Spy, its more a question of short term vs long term. open copmetition is the only good long term solution
[10:04] <we2by> op
[10:04] <britt> nikin, with my autologin script im running
[10:04] <JoshJ> i don't see why package management really needs to be standardized... nothing wrong with having apt-get as opposed to synaptic or yum or yast
[10:04] <orestyle5> Maybe the green screen will make a come back?
[10:04] <britt> it dumps getty out when i turn the terminal off
[10:04] <Microsoft_Spy> Vigo...Yeah he did do a good job, but u gotta admit the only thing making people use M$ is the whole familiarity/compatibility thing
[10:04] <Microsoft_Spy> nolimits....Yeah theres probly some truth in that too...
[10:04] <orestyle5> except with microsoft there is standarization with the exe.  so it is less confusing to new commers
[10:04] <frogzoo> JoshJ: it was segmentation that killed unix - it would be really good if all distros consolidated on one format, be it it deb or rpm
[10:05] <VigoFuse> My TandyTRS-83 still has a working Green Screen, its teeny tine kewl :-)
[10:05] <Microsoft_Spy> frog...My point exactly
[10:05] <britt> VigoFuse, i love my WYSE terminal
[10:05] <nolimitsoya> orestyle5, id like to refute that. the existance of sites lika ntcompatible is proff of the contrary ;)
[10:05] <britt> just wish it would work correctly
[10:05] <nolimitsoya> *e
[10:05] <Microsoft_Spy> Vigo...I got a commodore 64 and a Microbee
[10:05] <JoshJ> disagree, frogzoo - taking away options for the sake of everything being the same is bad
[10:05] <Microsoft_Spy> CPM rocks...
[10:05] <JoshJ> make it easy to convert rpm to deb, and vice versa, and there you go
[10:05] <VigoFuse> FORTRAN is the one true leader of the realm
[10:05] <nolimitsoya> frogzoo, rpm would be the end of it >_<
[10:06] <JoshJ> work on making the formats more compatible and work on alien
[10:06] <orestyle5> nolimitsoya:  never been to the site, but when I go to get software, there is one microsoft and 4 linux.
[10:06] <Microsoft_Spy> Josh...You can still have options and a standard...it's the vendors choice to follow the standard
[10:06] <VigoFuse> Comm64s are awesome. I still play HG2G on mine.
[10:07] <orestyle5> Where is Mandriva in all this. I heard they are off in left field with some package management.  Everyone wants to reinvent the wheel instead of using a package manager that work...
[10:07] <Microsoft_Spy> I bought one of those C64 joysticks....havn't had time to mod it yet
[10:07] <orestyle5> Or at least agree on one package manager that sort of works...
[10:07] <orestyle5> :)
[10:07] <we2by> something wrong with the current package management??
[10:07] <orestyle5> which one....
[10:08] <Microsoft_Spy> I don't have an indepth knowledge of what package management is better for what reason....But I have a soft spot for .deb
[10:08] <we2by> deb
[10:08] <JoshJ> orestyle5: gentoo is the one that's "in left field"
[10:08] <orestyle5> not that I am aware of...
[10:08] <nolimitsoya> could anyone help me sort this out: is it possible to painlessly expand (add drives to) an lvm raid level 5, without lifting and reinserting all data, while remaining online?
[10:08] <nolimitsoya> Microsoft_Spy, apt/portage > *
[10:08] <we2by> does Ubuntu support raid out of the box?
[10:08] <orestyle5> attach external scsi device?
[10:09] <nolimitsoya> we2by, yes
[10:09] <frogzoo> nolimitsoya: no, not possible - backup & restore
[10:09] <orestyle5> nolimitsoya:  maybe attach external scsi device?
[10:09] <nolimitsoya> frogzoo, ok, thats what i thought... linux needs zfs, bad!
[10:09] <nolimitsoya> orestyle5, that would help how exactly?
[10:10] <gaviin> Hello! How do I install .rpm packages? And... what are they?
[10:10] <VigoFuse> !.rpm
[10:10] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[10:10] <orestyle5> not sure. could you mount the external scsi device then format with whatever then do something with RAID?
[10:10] <nolimitsoya> gaviin, first of all, you should avoid them at all cost. second, use alien. man alien for instructions
[10:10] <orestyle5> ya, but you can use apt on other systems too
[10:10] <Firefishe> Can having more than one version of automake installed do weird things to a build?
[10:11] <gaviin> Hmmm. I didn't realize it was redhat.
[10:11] <nolimitsoya> orestyle5, im not talking about just hotswapping, but enlarging arrays...
[10:11] <frogzoo> gaviin: your best option is an ubuntu deb, then compile from source - rpms only as a last resort (via alien)
[10:12] <orestyle5> Not sure.  Well, we have an external RAID Array attached to scsi backplane.  I wonder if you could attach then make part of array with something like that.  I think I dont know... :)
[10:13] <gaviin> frogzoo: what is the difference between a deb, and the source?
[10:13] <frogzoo> gaviin: the deb is a packaged binary, the source you have to compile & install yourself & the package manager knows nothing about it
[10:14] <nothlit> nolimitsoya, wouldn't building your own package with checkinstall be preferable to using alien?
[10:15] <gaviin> damn. Then I guess there's no deb for this. OK thanks!
[10:15] <Microsoft_Spy> Yeah I've not had alot of luck with alien
[10:17] <JoshJ> i think i had to use alien for one thing on dapper and it worked fine
[10:17] <JoshJ> can't even remember what it was
[10:17] <gaviin> when you compile something from source, does it arrange the binaries in the same way downlodaing from apt-get would?
[10:17] <surface> any software can capture from my webcam and make a video?
[10:17] <gaviin> like, do I have to move anything after I compile?
[10:17] <JoshJ> i know that basically "if it's not in the ubuntu repositories it's not really recommended" is the general modus operandi, but i know how to fix things :p
[10:17] <surface> gavlin depends
[10:17] <JoshJ> gaviin: it probably doesn't compile into /usr/bin, nor put stuff in the menus, etc; unless that's part of the compiling script
[10:18] <surface> gaviin, when u configure, u can set it with prefix
[10:18] <surface> gaviin, ./configure --prefix=/usr
[10:18] <borg> what's the command that lists all the processes?
[10:18] <Toma-> little not on compiling: use checkinstall instead of make install
[10:18] <JoshJ> uh, why?
[10:18] <gaviin> borg: top
[10:18] <surface> can check out this, http://lne.blogdns.com/lbe/archives/156/installing-from-tarballs/
[10:19] <JoshJ> if the install.txt file says "do ./configure, make, then make install as root" you really should do that
[10:19] <Burnser> hi all
[10:19] <Toma-> borg: 'ps aux'
[10:19] <Microsoft_Spy> Anyone running feisty fawn at the moment ?
[10:19] <orestyle5__> I agree ...
[10:19] <Toma-> JoshJ: checkinstall will keep your system tidy
[10:19] <surface> any software can capture from my webcam and make a video?
[10:19] <nothlit> gaviin, They aren't optimised for debian (based) systems, but don't compile them manually, use checkinstall so you can cleanly manage/remove them
[10:19] <Toma-> surface: xawtv
[10:20] <surface> Toma-, oh thx i ll try
[10:20] <borg> omg, "top" is the greatest command ever
[10:20] <JoshJ> gah i can't start anything new right now >_<
[10:20] <JoshJ> i just managd to lock my system somehow
[10:20] <JoshJ> urg
[10:20] <highneko> Scrolling on gnome-panel switches active windows. How can I disable this?
[10:21] <gaviin> surface: There's no install instructions, what happens if I set that parameter to /usr?
[10:21] <JoshJ> yeah i'm going to end up shutting down from terminal
[10:21] <JoshJ> whee :(
[10:21] <surface> gaviin, it will install in /usr/bin
[10:21] <surface> /usr/lib
[10:21] <surface> if u set /usr/local
[10:22] <gaviin> oh, ok good. is there any time when that would be a bad idea?
[10:22] <surface> then /usr/local/bin /usr/local/lib instead
[10:22] <surface> gaviin, i always check my previous install from apt-get
[10:22] <surface> if it is at /usr then i ll check with configure
[10:23] <surface> ./configure --help
[10:23] <surface> usually it do tell u the default prefix
[10:23] <gaviin> ok
[10:23] <gaviin> i can live with that
[10:23] <gaviin> thanks a lot, ill try it out now
[10:25] <Zehrila> Hello everybody!
[10:26] <Zehrila> Is it possible to download a few packages (let's say, kubuntu-desktop or xubuntu-desktop), burn them to disc and then install them using a CLI-only installation of Ubuntu?
[10:26] <maxsoft> ?
[10:26] <maxsoft> so.. do you like create a new distro? :)
[10:26] <surface> gaviin, welcome
[10:27] <Zehrila> No, not a new distro.
[10:27] <Huibert> Zehrila: I think you should look into apt on cd
[10:27] <jimboedgynoob> Hey Zehrila good question I like it, I have wondered that - on other words a NETWORKLESS install of Ubuntu with extras?
[10:27] <Zehrila> The same distro; just need to install it on an offline system.
[10:27] <Zehrila> jimboedgynoob: Precisely!
[10:27] <Terminus> Zehrila: should be possible if you take care of the dependencies.
[10:27] <Huibert> Zehrila: here: http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/
[10:28] <Huibert> Zehrila: but AFAIK it's beta
[10:28] <Zehrila> Huibert: Alright, thanks a bunch. Lemme look into it. =]
[10:28] <Zehrila> The dependencies could be a pain though, heh.
[10:28] <Terminus> well, i'd just download the packages(including dependencies), put them in /var/cache/apt/archives/, and run aptitude.
[10:29] <Huibert> Zehrila: not if you create the cd for / on similar systems
[10:29] <gaviin> surface: at the end of the config it says i need the X libraries and headers. is that X-dev?
[10:29] <Zehrila> I see.
[10:29] <surface> gaviin, u r compiling fluxbox?
[10:30] <gaviin> no, fbdesk
[10:30] <Zehrila> Terminus: So if I download the packages including dependencies using one system, copy them into /var/cache/apt/archives on the system on which I'm installing and run aptitude, it'd work fine?
[10:30] <surface> gaviin, this is the example of me recompile fluxbox
[10:30] <surface> http://my.opera.com/mysurface/blog/2006/12/02/i-recompile-my-fluxbox-from-source
[10:30] <surface> gaviin, u need this xlibs-dev
[10:31] <jimboedgynoob> Does ubuntu come as a dvd install? could google it but that might be the answer to a networkless install?
[10:31] <surface> apt-get install xlibs-dev
[10:31] <Huibert> Zehrila: I don't know if that is sufficient, but I would guess so
[10:31] <surface> gaviin, u fluxbox user?
[10:31] <Huibert> jimboedgynoob: yes, 6.10 is available as dvd
[10:31] <Huibert> !edgy
[10:31] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[10:31] <Zehrila> jimboedgynoob: I guess it does; I recall seeing it somewhere, though I might be wrong.
[10:31] <jimboedgynoob> ok thanks huibert
[10:32] <gaviin> surface: Yeah, fluxbuntu.
[10:32] <gaviin> surface: Reading.
[10:32] <Terminus> Zehrila: theoretically, yes. oh, but you'll have to update the package list first. i dunno how to do that on a box with no net connection.
[10:33] <Huibert> Terminus: yep, the packagelist most be updated..... there should be an apt-* command to do this
[10:33] <Zehrila> Ah yes, that I didn't think of.
[10:33] <DARKGuy> Hm, I've been intrigued, how can I scroll the items of the "top" list?
[10:34] <gaviin> DARKGuy: shift+> or < changes the sorted column
[10:35] <gaviin> DARKGuy: Other than that I think you have to set the height to see a longer list
[10:35] <DARKGuy> gaviin: Aw, too bad... oh well, thanks though :)
[10:35] <Huibert> jimboedgynoob: look here, it's a german wiki but shows some links: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Downloads
[10:36] <pubuntu> hi. how to add footnote in the end of section (not page or document) in openoffice?
[10:37] <jimboedgynoob> thanks huibert bookmarked it for later translation
[10:37] <Zehrila> It seems APTonCD would only work for packages downloaded using APT-GET or APTITUDE. I'm looking for a way to download them using Windows.
[10:38] <jimboedgynoob> Zehrila the "dependency hell" cannot be solved downloading with Windows as far as I know
[10:38] <Zehrila> And then install them offline on ubuntu, by burning them on CD or simply accessing them from the hard drive.
[10:38] <Huibert> Zehrila: apt on cd is a tool to "freeze" your current system
[10:38] <Zehrila> Yups, it seems so.
[10:38] <Zehrila> Freeze and then rejuvenate using that frozen state...
[10:39] <Huibert> Zehrila: if the other pc has no internet, you could also install a "shadow copy" on the windows/internet machine
[10:40] <RobNyc> is there any way to read my osx partition
[10:40] <Huibert> Zehrila: then you could use apt on cd on the shadow to upgrade the main pc
[10:40] <Zehrila> A shadow copy?
[10:40] <Huibert> Zehrila: install a ubuntu in vmware player or something
[10:40] <jimboedgynoob> Sorta like Norton Ghost Huibert?
[10:40] <Zehrila> Oh that.
[10:41] <Huibert> jimboedgynoob: nope, NG does sector like copies of partitions (AFAIK)
[10:41] <Zehrila> Yups, that makes perfect sense.
[10:41] <jimboedgynoob> OK huibert
[10:42] <Huibert> jimboedgynoob: which makes sense in wondows world, because you cannot ressurect you sstem installation with software of the net.
[10:42] <Zehrila> Install ubuntu in vmware, download all the stuff I need, use APTonCD to get the snapshot and burn it on disc, then install a fresh copy and use APTonCD to get it to the condition it was in wmware...
[10:42] <Terminus> Zehrila: if the windows computer is anywhere near your ubuntu computer, it might be easier to network the two than figure out how to update offline. =)
[10:42] <Huibert> Zehrila: and rince, lather, repeat
[10:42] <Zehrila> Heh.
[10:43] <jimboedgynoob> Yes I used to use Norton Ghost quite a bit in the Windows 98 days - quite handy 8-)
[10:43] <Zehrila> Terminus: There's only one computer.
[10:43] <Huibert> Zehrila: the one computer is connected to the net?
[10:43] <Zehrila> I can only set ubuntu up in commandline mode; other installation methods somehow crash.
[10:43] <Terminus> Zehrila: oh, no ubuntu drivers for your net connection hardware?
[10:43] <simon92> hello
[10:43] <Zehrila> Well, lemme explain the whole scenario. It is one machine and the only internet connection I have is dial-up.
[10:43] <Huibert> simon92: hello...
[10:43] <sujan> hi, i have installed ubuntu from syanptic, but then when i try to run php from cli, it shows errors, how do i rectify that?
[10:44] <sujan> ufff, installed php using synaptic
[10:44] <Huibert> Zehrila: dailup :-((
[10:44] <Zehrila> Now the only error-free installation I can manage from the ubuntu-alternate disc is a CLI-only one.
[10:44] <simon92> Why do I get banned when I want to join #ubuntu-de?
[10:44] <Zehrila> (Can't install from ubuntu main disc)
[10:44] <Huibert> simon92: keine Ahnung :-)
[10:45] <simon92> kann ich denn hier deutsch reden?
[10:45] <Huibert> simon92: sorry, english only here.
[10:45] <Hirvinen> !german
[10:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about german - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:45] <Zehrila> And once I somehow later managed installing ubuntu-desktop using apt...it was quite an erronous instalation.
[10:45] <Huibert> !english
[10:45] <Hirvinen> Blah.
[10:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about english - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:45] <IamUnique> If i download ubuntu and burn it to a cd, does it have the live cd so i can see what's it like before i decide to install it or not?
[10:45] <jimboedgynoob> haha Huibert I'm running on diallup right now - major updates on the system I ket them keep running overnight
[10:45] <Zehrila> IamUnique: Yes, it does.
[10:45] <Huibert> there is an ubotu thingy somewhere
[10:45] <Hirvinen> simon92: Try #ubuntu-de for German.
[10:46] <Zehrila> IamUnique: Unless you go for the alternative-install CD, the default CD you download is the Live one.
[10:46] <simon92> #ubuntu-de
[10:46] <gaviin> simon92: /join #ubuntu-de
[10:46] <simon92> i know
[10:46] <Terminus> Zehrila: you mean you can't install ubuntu-desktop from the alt disc?
[10:46] <gaviin> kk
[10:46] <simon92> i forgot
[10:46] <gaviin> so now he speaks english
[10:46] <Sybux> Hi. I've got some problem with my postfix server. Every time I try to send myself an email, postfix says : Relay access denied and I don't see where I could be wrong
[10:46] <gaviin> :  )
[10:47] <RobNyc> !osx
[10:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about osx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:47] <IamUnique> will it automaticly boot into live cd mode? or into the setup?
[10:47] <Huibert> !hpfs
[10:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hpfs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:47] <simon92> verbannt   Sie sind aus #ubuntu-de verbannt worden .   X Schlieen
[10:47] <simon92> WTF
[10:47] <Huibert> IamUnique: it's the same
[10:47] <Zehrila> Terminus: I can, but not with the installation. I can only manage it by doing a CLI-only install first, and then using apt (apt installs it from CD, since the network isn't connected)
[10:47] <gael> bonjour a tous - hi all
[10:47] <Zehrila> not with the *OS-installation
[10:48] <Terminus> Zehrila: that is weird...
[10:48] <Sybux> !wiki postfix
[10:48] <simon92> I haven't done anything bad -.-
[10:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wiki postfix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:48] <Huibert> simon92: have you been a naughty boy on #ubunut-de
[10:48] <Zehrila> And even then, it gives a lot of errors and warnings while installing ubuntu-desktop but I finally manage getting the GUi, which again isn't quite bug-free. That's the reason I just wiped the ubuntu partitions and decided to start over again, after getting info about offline package installation from here.
[10:48] <Huibert> Zehrila: get a 5$ nic card of ebay, saves a lot off hassle
[10:48] <simon92> huibert that was the first time i had connected ^^
[10:49] <boink> and get a rtl card, they work fine on linux :)
[10:49] <Zehrila> NIC card?
[10:49] <Huibert> simon92: maybe somebody else used the same nick before?
[10:49] <boink> ethernet card
[10:49] <Zehrila> Oh, that.
[10:49] <simon92> huibert that could be
[10:49] <Zehrila> I've got one already. The problem is, there's no LAN here.
[10:49] <simon92> I try another
[10:50] <boink> ok, use someone's open wireless connection
[10:50] <Zehrila> The machine is a laptop with ethernet built-in but the only internet connection method I have here is dialup.
[10:50] <IamUnique> Placing the files which typically would be stored on a hard drive, onto a ram disk. This however does cut down on the RAM available to applications, reducing performance somewhat.
[10:50] <boink> ok, use the dialup
[10:50] <Zehrila> Got wi-fi built-in too, but no hotspots around. I'm in a developing country, heh.
[10:50] <IamUnique> I got 512MB of ram would it work with my system?
[10:50] <Huibert> Zehrila: are you sure you want to continue using this dailup thing ??
[10:50] <boink> ubuntu works fine with dial-up
[10:50] <Zehrila> Huibert: At the moment, being broke, I don't seem to have much of a choice.
[10:51] <simon1992> it seems to depend on me -.-
[10:51] <Zehrila> BTW one more thing...
[10:51] <RobNyc> !ntfs
[10:51] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[10:51] <Huibert> simon1992: maybe they don't like germans :-)
[10:51] <RobNyc> !hfs
[10:51] <simon1992> huibert sure
[10:51] <gael> tremulous players online ?
[10:51] <Spee_Der> Good morning everyone. . .
[10:51] <gael> hi
[10:51] <Huibert> Guten Morgen
[10:52] <Zehrila> While I had the GUI, there was an issue. I couldn't connect using my dialup modem. It gave me the tone when I tried it using the bundled telephony application but I couldn't find anything to connect to my ISP using my modem.
[10:52] <RoC_MM_0w> who said tremulous?
[10:52] <Spee_Der> !de | Huibert
[10:52] <ubotu> Huibert: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:52] <IamUnique> Would my system run ubuntu live cd since i got 512MB RAM?
[10:52] <MarkoKaa> Can anyone help me with apache2 and subdomains? I must get domain.tld/~user to user.domain.tld automaticly when I add user :P
[10:52] <simon1992> i got a x2 3800+ before automatix they show two cpus after automatix or something don't know it shows 1 cpu
[10:52] <Huibert> IamUnique: yes, the system should run
[10:53] <Zehrila> There was an option in the system menu which listed my LAN card, my Wi-Fi card and my modem as the methods available to connect, and had checkboxes with each to enable/disable. I tried entering my dialp connection info in the modem option but there was no option to actually dial.
[10:53] <pradeep> IamUnique, yes
[10:53] <Spee_Der> gnotepad
[10:53] <Zehrila> Checking/unchecking the box didn't seem to dial.
[10:53] <Huibert> Zehrila: isn't there an aktivate/deactivate button to the right?
[10:53] <Spee_Der> sri, wrong window again...
[10:53] <frying_fish> simon1992: automatix is not a good idea
[10:53] <gaviin> surface: Thanks so much! Finally worked!
[10:53] <jimboedgynoob> Zehrila - my story. I am on a Laptop running Ubuntu talking wirelessly to a server running Windows 2000 that is using a wireless dongle. Win2000 is connected via Diallup. The only reason I'm using Win2000 on the server is that I cannot find a working driver for the dongle on Linux.
[10:54] <simon1992> frying fish why not?
[10:54] <frying_fish> because it does things to your system in the non-correct way
[10:54] <IamUnique> thanks
[10:54] <frying_fish> and as you have found out is quite likely to break things.
[10:54] <Terminus> MarkoKaa: hrmmm... mod_rewrite?
[10:54] <Zehrila> Huibert: Yups, there is a check-box to activate/deactivate but checking/unchecking it doesn't seem to do anything.
[10:54] <MarkoKaa> Terminus: hmm... .htaccess in /var/www ?
[10:54] <simon1992> frying can you tell me how i unchange that ?
[10:55] <Huibert> Zehrila: hhmmmm, it's a long time I ve used dailup
[10:55] <Zehrila> jimboedgynoob: I see. Well, I guess I'll try going to some hotel with a wifi hotspot in the evening to take care of the connectivity.
[10:55] <RoC_MM_0w> Mentioning Automatix...is EasyUbuntu more correct or less likely to break stuff?
[10:55] <frying_fish> nope, I don';t know what its actually done, or how to go back on it (because I have never used it, it just seems a silly thing to use when you can just get what you want yourself)
[10:55] <Huibert> Zehrila: must have been 1997 or something
[10:55] <Huibert> We used to write the ppd-up down chat script by hand in vi :-)
[10:55] <frying_fish> simon1992: it may be worth looking into getting the correct kernel.
[10:56] <Zehrila> Old times, eh?
[10:56] <Terminus> MarkoKaa: i don't actually know how to use mod_rewrite. i just know that you use it to rewrite urls. =D
[10:56] <Zehrila> BTW does Gnome offer some program like kppp for dial-up connections?
[10:56] <Huibert> Zehrila: yes, I was still young back then :-(
[10:56] <frying_fish> what I want to know is why use these "automatix" or "easyubuntu" scripts, when you can just search for applications in synaptic yourself.
[10:56] <Hirvinen> RoC_MM_0w: So I've heard. But I've also heard that it is bad as well. I Strongly suggest reading appropriate parts of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UserDocumentation
[10:56] <MarkoKaa> Terminus: Oh, I understand :)
[10:56] <frying_fish> (if not comfortable wit hthe command line)
[10:56] <jimboedgynoob> Zehrila: good luck! Or try and get a cheap Linux-compatible wireless device you can afford
[10:56] <tanlaan> Hello everyone
[10:57] <RoC_MM_0w> Hirvinen: the documentation mentions automatix and has install steps!
[10:57] <Terminus> MarkoKaa: was just suggesting what to use. =)
[10:57] <MarkoKaa> Terminus: Ok, thx ;)
[10:57] <gael> i said Trem ...
[10:57] <Terminus> MarkoKaa: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_rewrite.html if you want to read about it.
[10:58] <Zehrila> jimboedgynoob: My wireless device is gnu-compatible. The issue is, I don't have a wireless network here.
[10:58] <tanlaan> i have found a very interesting article on Linux. Its basically a comparison between Mac OS X applications and Linux applications. The article is at http://www.icefox.net/articles/kdeosx.php
[10:58] <tuna-fish-> Dumb question: when I boot up the computer it is possible to select "recovery mode" in which the computer logs in as root without the need for password. How can I make it so one needs a pw to do that?
[10:58] <simon1992> frying fish they showed it on giga so I used it BTW with that program you download the codecs and the graphics driver aswell
[10:58] <tanlaan> if anyone wants to talk about it, message me
[10:58] <jimboedgynoob> haha the Automatix page says "don't listen to the bad press you get on the ubuntu irc chat"  haha
[10:59] <frying_fish> simon1992: you can get all that direct from synaptic anyway
[10:59] <Zehrila> So does any of you know of some Gnome alternative for KDE's kppp?
[10:59] <frying_fish> and for "codecs" you can just install vlc
[10:59] <frying_fish> vlc will play 99.5% of video media.
[10:59] <simon1992> frying fish next time^^
[10:59] <xipietotec> jimboedgynoob: it also says #ubuntu ops kill puppies
[10:59] <Zehrila> Or the way to connect using dialup, from console with a non-GUI installation?
[10:59] <Huibert> jimboedgynoob: automatix will break your box in the long run, happened once will happen again.
[10:59] <Huibert> Until the automatix people start writing upgrade scripts for the new ubuntu releases
[11:00] <simon1992> frying fish i will install it from the synaptic
[11:00] <frying_fish> without the need for getting the w32 codecs. LRM contains your graphics drivers, a little bit of searching and you will learn this.
[11:00] <tanlaan> Oh, also i wanna talk to some hardcore linux fans/enthusiasts about why linux hasnt gone the way of OS X
[11:00] <DBO> xipietotec, mmmm puppy dog burgers...
[11:00] <frying_fish> automatix also changes things but it doesn't keep logs of it somewhere so going back and undoing it is quite difficult.
[11:00] <Huibert> Zehrila: use kppp in gnome
[11:00] <boink> but linux is open source, OS X isn't
[11:00] <xipietotec> tanlaan: way of OS X how?
[11:01] <simon1992> just fixing i would like to have the 2nd core
[11:01] <boink> and anyway, that belongs in #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:01] <jimboedgynoob> Hey xipie and Huibert I have broken so many Linux boxes (all my own) through sheer stupidity and noobness I have lost count 8-)
[11:01] <xipietotec> and don't bring out darwin as being open source.....because no one uses it =P
[11:01] <Huibert> tanlaan: it might be because linux is not going "anywhere" it's going _everywhere_
[11:01] <Zehrila> Huibert: That I can do after I install KDE, for which I need to go online, heh.
[11:01] <frying_fish> simon1992: check what kernel its running and make sure it is the correct version for your processor.
[11:01] <tanlaan> xipietotec: bringing all core applications togethor, and making UI's that use only things used most often and trying not to clutter the screen
[11:01] <gael> Roc: trem
[11:02] <gael> player ?
[11:02] <dv5237> whats a easy to use p2p way for ubuntu? (i already use torrents)
[11:02] <frying_fish> Zehrila: google not got advice for it?
[11:02] <frying_fish> dv5237: there is a torrent client by default, and you can install azureus from apt
[11:02] <simon1992> frying fish it "had" worked but now i doesnt
[11:02] <defrysk> dv5237, nicotine (soulseek clone)
[11:02] <Huibert> Zehrila: oh yes, not being online is a difficult concept to grasp for me
[11:02] <frying_fish> probably because your kernel got changed by automatix.
[11:02] <iami89> how do i install driver for my NVIDIA card {geforce 4 mx 440}?
[11:02] <Zehrila> Google certainly is a man's best friend.
[11:02] <Zehrila> Lemme see...
[11:02] <boink> !nvidia
[11:02] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:02] <Huibert> !nvidia
[11:02] <defrysk> dv5237, for a native torrentclient in linux try ktorrent
[11:02] <frying_fish> Zehrila: you seem to have a net connection now, so see what google says.
[11:03] <dv5237> defrysk: is that also for movies?
[11:03] <frying_fish> there is a torrent client built into gnome with ubuntu!
[11:03] <boink> !tell iami89 about nvidia
[11:03] <tanlaan> xipietotec: oh yea, check out the article i posted before http://www.icefox.net/articles/kdeosx.php
[11:03] <dv5237> defrysk: nicotine i mean
[11:03] <defrysk> dv5237, nicotine you mean ?
[11:03] <frying_fish> no need for anything extra, although again you can get azureus
[11:03] <dv5237> defrysk: yeah
[11:03] <defrysk> yes , mostly music but also movies
[11:03] <simon1992> frying fish if i install the default kernel will everything be all right? or does something change with the programs i use?
[11:04] <frying_fish> won't change your programs
[11:04] <defrysk> !p2p | dv5237
[11:04] <ubotu> dv5237: Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[11:04] <Taylor> Hello, How do I change my gdm login theme?
[11:04] <simon1992> frying fish where can i install the kernel? I think it'S difficult
[11:04] <Huibert> Taylor: administration->loginscreen
[11:04] <defrysk> Taylor, sudo gdmsetup
[11:05] <Taylor> OK thanks I meant by the source I downloaded
[11:05] <xipietotec> tanlaan: certain distros...and with certain amounts of customization allow you to do alot of that
[11:06] <jimboedgynoob> It saddens me that by running Linux I have to break the law by trying to play a DVD. It would be great to pay an amount to someone and then be able to do what you want, instead of being tied to Windows or OSX
[11:06] <tanlaan> xipietotec: Yes, but shouldnt this be a consideration for ALL linux distros?
[11:06] <xipietotec> gnome has drag and drop (I think KDE does too...but I'm not sure) for alot of stuff, simplified menus etc. KDE is overcluttered, and KDE 4.0 is designed to eliminate some of that.
[11:06] <Taylor> do I unzip the download?
[11:06] <xipietotec> tanlaan: No. different distros have different goals.
[11:06] <frying_fish> simon1992: select linux-image-generic (assuming your using edgy eft) from synaptic
[11:06] <frying_fish> an d it will get the rest it needs
[11:07] <frying_fish> then, reboot and make sure at grub (the boot loader) you select the generic one.
[11:07] <frying_fish>  or whatever you need
[11:07] <frying_fish> I have tgo leave
[11:07] <tanlaan> xipietotec: well shouldnt this be a central goal most common distros? To make easier to use and easier to understand.
[11:07] <compengi> anyone here works on froswire?
[11:07] <RoC_MM_0w> jimboedgynoob: this can be fixed by fixing the law.
[11:07] <compengi> frostwire*
[11:07] <defrysk> Taylor, in gdmsetup you can click add and then select the acrcived theme
[11:08] <elkbuntu> tanlaan, some people really truely do not like simplicity
[11:08] <defrysk> no need to unpack it
[11:08] <Sybux> Can some1 explain me how to create aliases with postfix
[11:08] <Taylor> I've found out myself
[11:08] <defrysk> good ;)
[11:08] <tanlaan> hahaha
[11:08] <Taylor> now how do I change my splash screen?
[11:09] <elkbuntu> FirstStrike, what was the point of that?
[11:09] <FirstStrike> To display you in my window, obviously.
[11:09] <xipietotec> tanlaan: different people have different ideas of what "useability" is, basically. and Linux does not "force" you to do anything one way.
[11:10] <RoC_MM_0w> or rather
[11:10] <nothlit> jimboedgynoob, not all distros do you break the law if you want to run something like linspire (rofl) then you rightfully pay for the use of the codecs and whatnot
[11:10] <xipietotec> take for instance the different UI philosophies behind Gnome and KDE
[11:10] <RoC_MM_0w> there are so many linuxes that you will never be forced to do things any one way
[11:10] <nothlit> or freespire
[11:10] <boink> FreeBSD has the codecs, no problem
[11:10] <boink> installing the codecs is easy in ubuntu, you just need to adjust the sources.list
[11:10] <jimboedgynoob> nothlit that is a good point - pay for the rights at distribution.  Doesn't seem to work - the net is full of it
[11:14] <defrysk> xipietotec, matter of opinion take comments like that to ot
[11:15] <jimboedgynoob> Linus prefers kde (or so I read)
[11:15] <defrysk> jimboedgynoob, off-topic
[11:16] <jimboedgynoob> sorry
[11:16] <tanlaan> xipietotec: to me, the differences didnt change usability at all
[11:16] <Taylor> so no one here knows how to change the splash screen?
[11:16] <defrysk> !patience | Taylor
[11:16] <ubotu> Taylor: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:16] <xipietotec> KDE's biggest problems (for me) are: a.) When you want to change something you have 2000 options displayed for you....rather than moving the most common options to the front and putting advanced functions behind an "advanced" window....and b.) it looks too much like windows
[11:16] <Huibert> Taylor: tried google, it's not that hard
[11:16] <DARKGuy> Okay, I've been trying this stuff for days and I haven't been able to set up apache or anything that can serve a webpage on my home computer. Can somebody guide me for installing any webserver on my PC and that it's able to be seen from the outside?
[11:17] <tanlaan> xipietotec: well with those as problems, i see where your coming from
[11:17] <Taylor> I've been patience ;)
[11:17] <compengi> anyone here uses frostwire? i have a problem in running it
[11:17] <defrysk> Taylor, sudo apt-get install gtweakui
[11:18] <defrysk> Taylor, might help you out
[11:18] <tanlaan> Taylor: *patient
[11:18] <Taylor> ok i'll try that, thanks :D
[11:18] <defrysk> morning Seveas
[11:19] <defrysk> Good morning even
[11:19] <xipietotec> tanlaan: ergo, even though I think kde comes with a better application suite than gnome, I use gnome as my window manager.
[11:19] <Huibert> Taylor: try http://www.arsgeek.com/?p=470  it was only 2 Clicks away from google
[11:19] <iami89> how do i install plugin for media player in UBUNTU to play mp3 wmv mp4...?
[11:19] <Huibert> !mp3
[11:19] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:19] <tanlaan> xipietotec: Well do you know any linux distros that use the same thinking style as OS X?
[11:19] <antonio_> ciao a tutti
[11:19] <Taylor> To tell you the truth, i suck at my search words
[11:19] <jimboedgynoob> Does kde take less RAM than gnome or is it my imagination? It seems to be quiker
[11:20] <Huibert> Taylor: obiously.... I searched: "ubuntu change grub splahsscreen"
[11:20] <tanlaan> jimboedgynoob: yea it does take less RAM
[11:20] <Taylor> Huibert: I meant the ubuntu splash, not grub
[11:20] <jimboedgynoob> thanks tanlaan
[11:20] <antonio_> sono nuovo vorrei sapere se mi vedete, ciao
[11:21] <Huibert> Taylor: ahhh, there are so many splashscreens these days
[11:21] <defrysk> !it | antonio_
[11:21] <ubotu> antonio_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:22] <antonio_> ok tank you
[11:22] <g8y> Hi all, can anyone explain to me, why Ubuntu slows down to a crawl when I am copying files from USB-disks- an externalized hard-disk actually. Same thing with CDs. About 1800Mhz-intel pentium with 256MB- is that too slow?
[11:23] <RoC_MM_0w> no
[11:24] <jimboedgynoob> g8y - I have a similar system - I have a 256MB 1400Mhz - will plug in a USB stick - be right back
[11:24] <xipietotec> tanlaan: well, gnome shares some of the same goals, it does them in a slightly different way though.
[11:24] <RoC_MM_0w> g8y: it would also help if you said which release of Ubuntu you are using and if you've made any special changes.
[11:24] <g8y> RoC_MM_0w: I do wonder, whats the problem then. I've installed KDE too. and mostly on gnome, i've opened several pdfs, gphpedit (about 3 at most) and then there's amarok.
[11:24] <johan_> I have just successfully installed a SSL certificate on my intranet Apache server. How do I disable normal traffic ?? (I only wanna allow traffic through SSL)
[11:26] <Sybux> how can I create aliases for postfix ?
[11:26] <g0tw00d> does Ubuntu support SATA HD's and SATA ROM's?
[11:26] <g8y> no- nothing special- 6.06- I did upgrade the kernel- from the one it came with to the newest one- oh- and installed it fresh from a kubuntu CD- the ubuntu cd i downloaded was corrupt.
[11:26] <jimboedgynoob> g8y no problems here copying off USB stick and Ubuntu - no sluggish crawl
[11:27] <frogzoo> g0tw00d: yes & yes
[11:27] <RoC_MM_0w> g8y: a good question is did it do this before your kernel upgrade (if your kernel upgrade was a manual one)?
[11:27] <xipietotec> however...most distros tend to try and mimic alot of windows functions if you ask me. But beryl mimics certain things that OS X tiger does
[11:27] <g0tw00d> frogzoo: do I have to do something special?
[11:27] <frogzoo> g0tw00d: nope
[11:28] <g0tw00d> i keep getting errors on sr0
[11:28] <g0tw00d> it wont even boot it
[11:28] <kaptengu> is there any way I can import microsoft fonts to gnome, like you can do i KDE?
[11:28] <frogzoo> g0tw00d: the cd's ok is it?
[11:29] <xipietotec> kaptengu: Yes....but I don't remember how, it's listed in gnomelook
[11:29] <frogzoo> !fonts | kaptengu
[11:29] <ubotu> kaptengu: Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[11:29] <g0tw00d> frogzoo: i just used it yesterday for install
[11:29] <josh_> hey all... i have sound problems again
[11:29] <g0tw00d> looks ok
[11:29] <josh_> it worked 2 days ago
[11:29] <g8y> RoC_MM_0w: Most probably yes. I think the kernel did it but I am not altogether sure. if by manual, you are asking me whether I compiled my own, no. I just picked out the upgrade from synaptic.
[11:29] <kaptengu> thanks
[11:29] <g0tw00d> its a red disk .....
[11:29] <josh_> no settings have changed... sound just doesn't work
[11:29] <g0tw00d> are to see but not scratch that I can tell
[11:29] <g8y> heh. i remember someone telling me this earlier- synaptic is not a candy-store to pick off what ever you think you like.
[11:29] <g0tw00d> i thought about reloading it
[11:29] <g0tw00d> i mean reburning
[11:29] <josh_> card is new, ive changed between all the different sound engines... nothing
[11:29] <g0tw00d> ....lol
[11:29] <g0tw00d> long night
[11:29] <tanlaan> xipietotec: hmm ill check it out
[11:30] <compengi> anyone here uses frostwire? i have a problem in running it
[11:30] <xipietotec> tanlaan: beryl can do expose, and handles windows in similar ways, gnome deskbar-applet is like spotlight
[11:30] <g0tw00d> frogzoo: should I try reburning?
[11:31] <xipietotec> my desktop is very very minimalist
[11:32] <josh_> what is the directory for the soundcards?\
[11:32] <josh_> /dev/asound/soundcard?
[11:32] <RoC_MM_0w> g8y: pick whatever you'd like from the package system.
[11:33] <RoC_MM_0w> g0tw00d: try the "check cd for defects" option at livecd boot
[11:33] <frogzoo> g0tw00d: you could try reburning but at 50% of max speed
[11:33] <xipietotec> gdesklets are analogous to dashboard too
[11:33] <g0tw00d> ok ty.....never saw it
[11:33] <RoC_MM_0w> 8x! 8x! 8x1
[11:33] <xipietotec> although....admittedly, dashboard has a much wider collection of apps....and many of them are much better.
[11:34] <crimsun> josh_: for what?
[11:36] <simon-new> is here a admin? can he please unban me from ubuntu-de?
[11:36] <compengi> anyone here uses frostwire? i have a problem in running it
[11:36] <DBO> simon-new, please join #ubuntu-ops
[11:36] <g8y> simon-new: what did you do there? :P
[11:37] <simon-new> g8y nothing thats the matter
[11:37] <compengi> hey DBO
[11:37] <DBO> hi compengi
[11:37] <compengi> how's doing?
[11:37] <DBO> simon-new, if you join #ubuntu-ops please I will see that the matter is taken care of
[11:37] <tanlaan> xipietotec: beryl looks pretty cool
[11:38] <tanlaan> xipietotec: also looks very hard to install
[11:38] <RoC_MM_0w> tanlaan: for now.
[11:38] <simon-new> DBO i'm in
[11:38] <xipietotec> tanlaan: Depends....if you have intel graphics card its very easy
[11:38] <RoC_MM_0w> tanlaan: it's also not particularly hard, you just have to be able to follow 12 steps or what have you...it is all very detailed.
[11:39] <xipietotec> If you have NVIDIA, also pretty easy....if you have ATI....errr....well...yeah...um...about that....
[11:39] <DBO> simon-new, i dont see you in there
[11:39] <tanlaan> xipietotec: Oh, so have you read that article? "Nine things KDE should learn from Mac OS X"
[11:39] <simon-new> sry do i join in ubutnu-ops
[11:39] <tanlaan> RoC_MM_0w: atm i wouldnt be able to install it *faulty graphics card*
[11:40] <xipietotec> tanlaan: yes, and I think there's a simple philosophical difference between KDE and OSX
[11:41] <xipietotec> KDE is everything and the kitchen sink
[11:41] <xipietotec> with a department of redundancy department thrown in
[11:41] <RoC_MM_0w> lots of stuff on right click menu
[11:41] <xipietotec> KDE does in fact have a common viewing application....it just also has 3-4 other viewers...."just in case"
[11:41] <tanlaan> xipietotec: Well go check out the difference between the two applications that open up the program "foo"
[11:42] <mc44> xipietotec: OSX is the hideous off spring of KDE mating with Gnome :)
[11:42] <tanlaan> mc44: hahaha
[11:42] <concept10> mc44, you have that backwards
[11:43] <xipietotec> tanlaan: Yeah....there's alot of IDE's that I don't like, but KDevelop is agian back to the above "Everything and the kitchen sink" approach
[11:43] <tanlaan> xipietotec: as it is, everything that OS X is bringing to the table, I expect linux to be up to par with
[11:44] <iami89> how to exit X-server
[11:44] <tanlaan> xipietotec: And at the moment it seems like linux is lacking just a bit
[11:44] <Spee_Der> simon-new: You were asked to join /#ubuntu-ops for assistance.
[11:44] <DBO> he has
[11:44] <Spee_Der> Ok, good morning DBO
[11:45] <DBO> morning Spee_Der =)
[11:45] <tanlaan> whats worse than 12 dead babies found in a dumpster?
[11:45] <Spee_Der> tanlaan: What's does that have to do with Ubuntu please ?
[11:45] <iami89> hhow do i exit X-server{for install NVIDIA driver}
[11:45] <xipietotec> tanlaan: OSX has one single view essentially of "What makes a good GUI" linux has *thousands* of views, ergo it is generally possible to find something that has a preferable GUI
[11:46] <tanlaan> Spee_Der: sorry i just remembered that joke *popped into my head*
[11:46] <nothlit> HIG <--
[11:46] <Spee_Der> !nvidia | iami89
[11:46] <ubotu> iami89: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:46] <RoC_MM_0w> tanlaan: 13 dead ones!
[11:46] <tanlaan> xipietotec: hmm, i guess i need to find my programs
[11:46] <tanlaan> RoC_MM_0w: 1 dead baby in 12 dumpsters
[11:46] <YoussefAssad> listen, where is the python-slang package in ubuntu?
[11:46] <Eons> uhm. xchat is behaving in a strange manner. it tried to send messages 5 hours ago [hopefully i didn't identify with ns] . how is this possible?
[11:47] <Taylor> is ubuntu gtk 1.x or gtk 2.x?
[11:47] <nothlit> Gnome2 runs gtk2 apps
[11:47] <tanlaan> xipietotec: there is a problem with me finding just the right GUI application
[11:48] <xipietotec> there's also the fact that there's dozens and dozens of window managers for linux as well: Fluxbox, enlightenment, KDE, gnome, xfce, beryl, compiz, etc.
[11:48] <tanlaan> xipietotec: I also want integration between them
[11:48] <mc44> tanlaan: please keep jokes of... questionable taste to #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:48] <Taylor> ok thanks for telling me
[11:48] <nothlit> xipietotec, I like that choice
[11:48] <heiko> has anyone seen a wlan problem where iwconfig looks ok (AP mac is displayed, wep is set up ok) but no data can be transmitted (e.g. dhcp doesn't get through)?
[11:48] <tanlaan> mc44: will do :D
[11:48] <mc44> tanlaan: and the correct punchline is one live one eating its way out
[11:48] <xipietotec> tanlaan: KDE actually is built with integration in mind, kparts allows easy integration between applications
[11:48] <Huibert> heiko: I had that once, because I couldn't get wep/wpa to run
[11:49] <nothlit> xipietotec, people wouldn't have their fancy beryl to show off without that choice, and you wouldn't be able to run linux on legacy hardware without lightweight wms
[11:49] <xipietotec> they just...need to refine their vision a bit if you ask me
[11:49] <heiko> Huibert: so you saw the AP mac in iwconfig? did you solve that problem?
[11:49] <bXi> yo
[11:49] <Huibert> heiko: I only used some commandline comamnds.
[11:49] <xipietotec> Basically, for my home computer I use gnome, but if I had a business I'd set up the business comps using KDE.
[11:50] <Huibert> heiko: didn't get it to run, switched off encryption at the router, rpoblem solved :-)
[11:50] <heiko> Huibert: anything besides the usual ifconfig/iwconfnig
[11:50] <tanlaan> mc44: wrong joke there btw, thats "whats worse than a pile of dead babies"
[11:50] <nothlit> xipietotec, why wouldn't you do it the other way around?
[11:50] <heiko> oh
[11:50] <Spee_Der> ted
[11:50] <heiko> i guess i should try that
[11:50] <xipietotec> nothlit: I'm not knocking the variety =) I'm explaining that the variety is what makes linux different than OSX.
[11:50] <nothlit> xipietotec, less options in both applications/configuration confuses non techies
[11:50] <nothlit> err more options confuses*
[11:51] <bXi> i tried to update dapper 64bit to edgy
[11:51] <Huibert> heiko: you should be aware off you wlan enviroment, and at least use an MAC filter at the router.
[11:51] <tanlaan> nothlit: who said i was a non techie? :P
[11:51] <Spee_Der> !ted
[11:51] <ubotu> ted: graphical RTF (Rich Text Format) editor, stable lesstif version. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.17-1 (edgy), package size 654 kB, installed size 1732 kB
[11:51] <tanlaan> *""
[11:51] <Spee_Der> hmmm
[11:51] <heiko> Huibert: i understand security ... just don't understand why wlan (or wep?) seems to become gradually more broken with newer versions of ubuntu
[11:51] <nothlit> tanlaan, oh i was just reading what xipietotec said, and I was referring to business people as non -techies
[11:51] <xipietotec> nothlit: KDE's interface bugs me, looks too much like windows, and while it has several applications I like, it also has application overload, it's also overly complex to configure (.e.g., window customization etc.), but the application suites and the fact it looks like windows makes it easier for business integration
[11:52] <tanlaan> nothlit: ahh hahaha
[11:52] <xipietotec> plus there's the fact that KDE is built with a little more eye toward the corporate user.
[11:52] <Spee_Der> Is anyone here Opera smart ?
[11:52] <dyland> hi
[11:52] <tanlaan> xipietotec: are there any inegration applications for Gnome?
[11:52] <nothlit> xipietotec, you can modify gnome-panel, and theres gcontol and gnome-control-(center)
[11:53] <nothlit> Spee_Der, i use opera
[11:53] <bXi> but now i still have 41 packages that are kept back
[11:53] <xipietotec> nothlit: I'm well aware (I have a severely modified gnome).
[11:53] <bXi> how do i get those packages
[11:53] <dyland> ubuntu supports intel core 2 duo?
[11:53] <nothlit> xipietotec, also, sabayon and pessulus make it easier for business now
[11:53] <Spee_Der> Using the IRC built into Opera, I'd like to change the main screen color from blasting white to something a bit paler, like maybe cream color ? How to do this please as I can't find the correct options (anywhere).
[11:53] <nothlit> lol you're using irc built into opera?
[11:53] <nothlit> lemme check
[11:54] <Spee_Der> Yes. It is working just great  too.....
[11:54] <nothlit> btw theres a hidden config place in opera with the new version  address bar opera:config
[11:54] <xipietotec> tanlaan: the best analogy is probably to imagine Gnome as a monolithic application (it tries to make everything integrated as a single big piece) while KDE is micro-kernel-application (.e.g, it's easier to integrate other things, because its made up of millions of little pieces)
[11:55] <Spee_Der> Hmmm, will look into that also. Thanks. I usually go there first with any browser....
[11:55] <tanlaan> xipietotec: hmm
[11:55] <Spee_Der> I'm using build 9, version 344 btw
[11:55] <xipietotec> long term I think KDE has a big advantage over gnome: kparts + (unfortunately) it looks and in some respects behaves like windows users would expect.
[11:56] <nothlit> Spee_Der, http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/operaStyles/ http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/operaStyles/extraChatStyles.html
[11:56] <Spee_Der> nothlit: Many thanks....
[11:56] <xipietotec> while gnome is actually much better for setting up grandma with a new computer, because its stupidly easy to do everything.
[11:56] <dyland> I cant install ubuntu, i bought a computer with core 2 duo and a sata hardisck
[11:57] <bXi> how do i get my packages that are kept back
[11:57] <Spee_Der> nothlit: Ohhh, very nice indeed, thank you so much.....  bbiab.
[11:57] <tanlaan> xipietotec: haha ok
[11:57] <xipietotec> however, by being so....many options for customization just aren't there, compared to kde.
[11:57] <nothlit> Spee_Der, :)
[11:57] <Tominator> oh nothlit, thanks again, the installation of the old driver worked fine ;)
[11:57] <nothlit> bXi, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:57] <xipietotec> basically I'd like to fork KDE and create knome.
[11:57] <Xteven> hi, does anyone know if there is any work being done on compiling third party kernel modules ? because the current method seems pretty elaborate
[11:57] <Locutu5> Is anyone able to tell me why chown waits for around five minutes when using a numeric id but works instantly using a name id. This happened after installing smbldap
[11:58] <nothlit> Tominator, oh you got it working? Thats great :D!
[11:58] <ooswoosh> a
[11:58] <g0tw00d> why does usb mouse on ubuntu seem to lock up ever 15 minutes?
[11:58] <xipietotec> which would be a gnome like GUI with a vastly scaled down app database from KDE and integration way of kparts.
[11:58] <g0tw00d> i have to unplug and plugin to get it to work again
[11:58] <tanlaan> xipietotec: So basically, if I were to attempt to do things the way I want...I would want to get KDE and find the versions of the main programs I want, then customize my system to use those specific programs and try to integrate them together?
[11:58] <nothlit> Tominator, btw amaranth has a new repo for the nvidia 9 drivers, although i suspect you won't want to touch your drivers at all for a long while
[11:59] <nothlit> xipietotec, whats wrong with kdebase + install one by one then?
[11:59] <Locutu5> who here has experience with smbldap?
[11:59] <nolimitsoya> tanlaan, im not sure what you are aming for, but you could do a cli install, and apt-get the little bits of software you need :)
[11:59] <xipietotec> tanlaan: the KDE apps are likely to be integrated allready, if they come with the kde suite, if you're a programmer you can write or integrate custom applications and integrate them better because of kparts
[11:59] <tanlaan> nolimitsoya: cli?
[12:00] <nolimitsoya> command line interface
[12:00] <tanlaan> ahh
[12:00] <Tominator> nothlit, before I do that, I have to know if AIGLX works with these new drivers ^^ AND if AIGLX works less buggy than XGL
[12:00] <Tominator> ^^
[12:00] <nothlit> kubuntu does gtk integratoin pretty well
[12:00] <nolimitsoya> xipietotec, you could just apt-get kde-core, and then the sortware you realy want
[12:01] <xipietotec> nothlit: I'm talking about just creating a light weight version of KDE with certain aspects of gnome (like easy drag and drop installation of themes, wallpapers, etc, most common customization options being default, with all the advanced ones that KDE has being thrown under advanced tabs).
[12:01] <nothlit> Tominator, I got beryl working with the 1.0-9 drivers fine, I don't know about less buggy but its pretty stable and much much faster than xgl
[12:01] <tanlaan> Bah, I hate how OS X got around the rules of open source
[12:01] <nothlit> Tominator, also, beryl contacts the nvidia card directly, no aiglx :)
[12:01] <Tominator> nothlit, are there good howtos on the ubuntu-wiki?
[12:01] <nolimitsoya> tanlaan, they didnt. they use a dsb license
[12:01] <Tominator> nothlit, since when?
[12:01] <Tominator> ^^
[12:01] <nolimitsoya> *bsd
[12:01] <nothlit> Tominator, I think so, or you can use beryl-project.org
[12:02] <nothlit> Tominator, since before edgy came out
[12:02] <xipietotec> tanlaan: they use a bsd liscense, essentially OSX is Darwin (A custom BSD) + OSX architecture.
[12:02] <Tominator> nothlit, but why do the title-bars disappear when i run beryl-manager?
[12:02] <nothlit> Tominator, I fooled around the nvidia + beryl (no aiglx needed :)) in edgy beta
[12:02] <xipietotec> only the OSX architecture is closed source.
[12:02] <tanlaan> xipietotec: I know
[12:02] <tanlaan> xipietotec: thats what I meant
[12:02] <nothlit> Tominator, that means emerald isn't working properly
[12:03] <nolimitsoya> tanlaan, thats not getting around anything. thats the whole point with the bsd license :P
[12:03] <Tominator> nothlit, do you know how to fix this?
[12:03] <Riddell> xipietotec: sounds like you want to work on improving kde itself
[12:03] <nolimitsoya> ... as opposed to, say, gpl
[12:03] <nolimitsoya> :)
[12:03] <nothlit> Tominator, emerald is the window decorator , beryl is the window manager
[12:03] <tanlaan> nolimitsoya: But OS X did little to change Darwin
[12:03] <Tominator> nothlit, yeah, now i know ;)
[12:03] <user-land> Hello, is there an easy way to install a local DNS cache for faster browsing ?
[12:03] <nothlit> Tominator, i would suggest running beryl/beryl-manager from the terminal and check/google the errors
[12:03] <tanlaan> nolimitsoya: they just built their architecture on top of it
[12:04] <dyland> ubuntu works with intel core 2 duo???
[12:04] <nolimitsoya> tanlaan, that is, still, the entire point of the bsd license.
[12:04] <nothlit> Tominator, I use screen, but you could probably do it from the virtual console and specify a display
[12:04] <xipietotec> Riddell: Pretty much, I'm thinking of a "lighter weight" KDE, suitable for home users.
[12:04] <nothlit> dyland, it should work with the generic kernel
[12:04] <Tominator> nothlit, kay... but, what version of nvidia-drivers do i need?
[12:04] <nothlit> Tominator, you need 1.0-9629
[12:05] <nolimitsoya> xipietotec, thats what kde-core if for. then you just do all the configurations you want, roll it up and call it xipietotux :)
[12:05] <nothlit> anything lower doesn't have the compositing features needed
[12:05] <nothlit> !nvidia
[12:05] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:05] <nothlit> !Amaranth
[12:05] <ubotu> For Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft), you can obtain the (unsupported!) 9629 version of the binary NVidia drivers by using one of these repositories: "deb http://seerofsouls.com/ edgy contrib" (for x86) (key at http://seerofsouls.com/ubuntu.html) or "deb http://ubuntu.lupine.me.uk/ edgy lrm-amd64" (for AMD64)
[12:05] <nothlit> there tominator ^
[12:05] <xipietotec> nolimitsoya: I know I know =P but there's some portions of the KDE gui I don't like either.
[12:05] <compengi> anyone here uses frostwire? i have a problem in running it
[12:05] <xipietotec> not just the apps.
[12:05] <Tominator> nothlit, errmm.. not good... I was unable to do fullscreenmode and to run wine with this driver ;)
[12:05] <tanlaan> nolimitsoya: well my thoughts on the license are that, because the architecture cannot be use without the kernel it should be under the same license
[12:05] <nolimitsoya> xipietotec, all that can be customiced
[12:06] <Tominator> and the newer beta won't install
[12:06] <nolimitsoya> tanlaan, then you havnt read the sam license i did :)
[12:06] <nothlit> Tominator, lol then you have to build it yourself or fix your error messages or give up
[12:06] <nothlit> Tominator, you could always just wait around a bit
[12:07] <Tominator> nothlit, build myself? but how? i used this .run file from the nvidia page ^^
[12:07] <xipietotec> Yeah....but I'm not up to the amount of customization and integration it would require. (I'd want to integrate the hell out of everything.)
[12:07] <nothlit> TomB|, yeah the nvidia installer is what i meant
[12:07] <user-land> How can i see what DNS server my Ubuntu is using ?
[12:08] <nolimitsoya> xipietotec, integrate as in... what? things dont get much more integrated than metapackages with linux :)
[12:08] <nothlit> xipietotec, what you want sounds like it would take an incredible amount of hacking or starting from scratch
[12:08] <Spee_Der> hmmm
[12:08] <nothlit> nolimitsoya, it sounds like he wants a perfectly integrated customised fusion of his best of kde and gnome
[12:08] <nothlit> xipietotec, correct me if i'm wrong of course
[12:08] <xipietotec> its kinda sad too though, KDE allready has several good integration features, integrated Konqueror web-browser/file browser wasn't a bad I dea (I think the implementation is annoying)...but its kinda made obsolete because everyone uses FF, thunderbird, insertfavapp here, instead.
[12:09] <nolimitsoya> nothlit, that should be hard, as ive already explained :)
[12:10] <nolimitsoya> its perfectly simple to load both qt and gtk at boot, cutting down loadtimes as well :) itll just cost you an extra ~20mb memory footprint :)
[12:10] <nolimitsoya> tanlaan, :P
[12:10] <nothlit> gtk /qt apps can look pretty integrated with polymer and qtcurve and the gtk qt engines but backend hacking would probably require infrastructure overhauls
[12:10] <tanlaan> *BSD license
[12:10] <xipietotec> And yeah, what I'm describing would actually be a major rewrite of several core kde apps.
[12:11] <nothlit> The bsd license is ideal in theory
[12:11] <xipietotec> of course....KDE 4 may end up being more along the lines of what I want (well...the GUI) since they're getting rid of some things.
[12:11] <nolimitsoya> na, /me likes the "viral" structure of gpl better :D
[12:11] <josh_> sorry to but in, but what does the BSD license offer over the GPL?
[12:11] <nothlit> other than the old addition of the copywrite/development notice thing
[12:11] <nolimitsoya> world dominion for free software :D
[12:11] <tanlaan> nothlit: to be ideal i think it must include that you MUST keep your source open for download *one i read didnt say that*
[12:11] <nolimitsoya> josh_, the option to go closed source at any given time
[12:11] <nothlit> josh_, True free software to do what you wish
[12:12] <Tominator> !amerald
[12:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about amerald - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:12] <xipietotec> nothlit: BSD = Do whatever you want. GPL = "Your free do what you want, so long as you make sure others are too."
[12:12] <nothlit> tanlaan, gpl or bsd? gpl requires at least 18 months i think, probably more
[12:12] <Tominator> !Emerald
[12:12] <tanlaan> that would be why i like the GPL better
[12:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Emerald - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:12] <Tominator> !Amaranth
[12:12] <ubotu> For Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft), you can obtain the (unsupported!) 9629 version of the binary NVidia drivers by using one of these repositories: "deb http://seerofsouls.com/ edgy contrib" (for x86) (key at http://seerofsouls.com/ubuntu.html) or "deb http://ubuntu.lupine.me.uk/ edgy lrm-amd64" (for AMD64)
[12:13] <tanlaan> nothlit: bsd, but the gpl covers that
[12:13] <josh_> nolimitsoya: thanks.
[12:13] <nothlit> xipietotec, i was just referring to the original bsd license which has a phrase you had to put in every advertisement, that people modified several times
[12:13] <tanlaan> http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php
[12:13] <xipietotec> information is a pure public good, GPL is an inherent recognition of that, and seeks to defend that vs. technical measures to defeat that purpose.
[12:14] <nothlit> tanlaan, lol bsd license means you don't have to release your source code at all
[12:14] <tanlaan> nothlit: I got that :P
[12:14] <tanlaan> nothlit: I just have a GPL kind of mind :P
[12:14] <nothlit> tanlaan, actually you don't have to release your source code off gpl at all if you don't "distribute" it as defined by gnu
[12:15] <ompaul> tanlaan, nothlit, xipietotec can you move the licence discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic please this is strictly a support channel thanks
[12:15] <xipietotec> sorry sorry =)
[12:15] <ompaul> xipietotec, I know I get caught up in that kind of thing :)
[12:16] <g0tw00d> why does usb mouse on ubuntu seem to lock up ever 15 minutes?
[12:16] <g0tw00d> i have to unplug and plugin to get it to work again
[12:17] <Xteven> hi
[12:18] <Xteven> I think there is a bug in the ivtv-source package of edgy
[12:18] <g0tw00d> god damn this is annoying....argh!
[12:18] <ver0niqu3> hi all
[12:19] <Xteven> well, maybe not. it worked the second time
[12:20] <g0tw00d> how do I turn on the sources?
[12:20] <Spee_Der> bbiab, dog wants out. . .
[12:20] <g0tw00d> i know i need to remove the #'s from somewhere
[12:22] <g0tw00d> zzzzZZZZZZzzzzzz
[12:23] <Sybux> how can I create aliases for postfix ?
[12:23] <bimberi> g0tw00d: huh, what, oh, /etc/apt/sources.list .... zzzzzZZZzzzz
[12:24] <bimberi> Sybux: /etc/aliases
[12:24] <Sybux> I've done but it won't works
[12:24] <Spee_Der> back
[12:25] <Spee_Der> There's gott'a be an easier way nothlit.....
[12:26] <josh_> sorry to be a little off-topic, but my installation of dapper keeps failing at 73%. Running a "Check the CD for defects" returns no errors and I experience no error dialogs or information during the installation, it just seems to hang at 73%. I am using a ship-it CD and it is my last copy (gave the rest away), so I am stumped for ideas and may have to download another copy... Any suggestions?
[12:26] <Yasha> I have seen some articles on this in the forum, but is there a patch yet to fix suspend? Hibernate works, but suspending to disk or ram doesn't function.
[12:27] <nothlit> Spee_Der, use a css editor i suppose, or you can google for it. opera's help database has a lot of useful stuff
[12:27] <nothlit> Spee_Der, the opera help forum is pretty nice as well
[12:27] <Spee_Der> Yeh...
[12:27] <Spee_Der> Ok, I'll look there also.....
[12:28] <steigweis> hi
[12:28] <gael_> hi
[12:28] <IndrOp> Bonjour  tous et  toutes
[12:29] <bimberi> Sybux: check what /etc/postfix.main.cf has in it for alias_maps and alias_database
[12:29] <IndrOp> oups
[12:29] <IndrOp> hello all
[12:29] <dyland> hi
[12:31] <DarkED> Hey all, just wanted to tell you guys something
[12:31] <px2> Aloha. I'm trying to set up wyse 50 terminal emulation using edgy. Closest I've found is a wyse 60 emulator. Any ideas?
[12:31] <Zac1> !java
[12:31] <DarkED> when you are helping people, if someone comes in and says that the 'Configuring HAL' part of the setup just locks up
[12:31] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[12:32] <DarkED> Tell them to pull out any PCMCIA devices and try again
[12:34] <dyland> anyone knows if ubuntu could run with intel core 2 uo?
[12:38] <Alarm> whats the difference between ubumdu and kubundu
[12:38] <Alarm> doesnt ubuntu have kde?
[12:38] <bewd> Hi. I want to run .exe files, what can I do ? I heard about wine but I dont know anything about it.
[12:38] <apokryphos> Alarm: take a look at the FAQ (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions) as linked to in the channel /topic
[12:38] <nolimitsoya> Alarm, ubuntu is gnome and kubuntu is kde
[12:38] <Fortis> Ubuntu has gnome, Kubuntu has KDE
[12:38] <Alarm> okie thank you
[12:39] <Alarm> one more question. in case i will isntall kubuntu, cant i add also gnome on it ?
[12:39] <Zac1> @hamster
[12:39] <nolimitsoya> Alarm, yes
[12:39] <bewd> !wine
[12:39] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[12:39] <nolimitsoya> Alarm, though, itll be a complete mess :)
[12:39] <ramon> hi all this is prob q noob question but with what command can I see what programs I have running?
[12:39] <apokryphos> Alarm: check the faq
[12:40] <Alarm> and a last question.. does ubuntu  have during the installation the choice of gnome or kde , or for kde i 'must' download kde
[12:40] <Spee_Der> ramon: In a terminal try ps ax
[12:40] <ramon> thanks
[12:40] <Alarm> apokryphos i am not in the mood download a few gb and not to be what i want
[12:40] <bewd> how can i install wine on ubuntu ?
[12:40] <Fortis> Get a free CD then
[12:40] <apokryphos> Alarm: then read the faq please.
[12:40] <apokryphos> bewd: /msg ubotu wine
[12:41] <Spee_Der> bewd: In a terminal window use, 'sudo apt-get install wine'
[12:41] <Spee_Der> Or you could use synaptic
[12:41] <bewd> Spee_Der: ok
[12:41] <Alarm> whats so hard in saying a yes or no at this question, dont get it
[12:41] <Zac1> !apletec
[12:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apletec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:41] <Fortis> Alarm: There's in the installation no choice
[12:41] <Zac1> !synaptic
[12:41] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[12:41] <Alarm> Fortis thanks
[12:42] <Alarm> then kubuntu is what i am looking for
[12:42] <Fortis> Alarm: Good Luck!
[12:42] <wavefunction> Hi. Does anyone know a repository where I can find w32codecs ? I use Edgy (6.10).
[12:42] <Zac1> !bot
[12:42] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:43] <apokryphos> wavefunction: take a look at the FAQ (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions) as linked to in the channel /topic
[12:43] <wavefunction> Also, is there a way to find repositories ?
[12:43] <Zac1> !
[12:44] <Spee_Der> !grrrrr
[12:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about grrrrr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:44] <nolimitsoya> wavefunction, google a package you want, and cross your fingers :)
[12:44] <Spee_Der> lol
[12:44] <Zac1> !google
[12:44] <ubotu> Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
[12:44] <apokryphos> !botabuse
[12:44] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops... ;-)
[12:44] <Spee_Der> !bot
[12:44] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:45] <Spee_Der> !repositories
[12:45] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[12:45] <Alarm> something i am curious about. i see there are 2 different isos. a cd iso and a dvd iso. of course with different image size. does the dvd iso include more or how is it ? cause i dont see like 3-4cd isos but just one
[12:45] <Spee_Der> there ya go wave
[12:45] <wavefunction> apokryphos, Thanks. I'll take a look.
[12:45] <onthos> I have a question about my joystick. Where should I go to get help with this?
[12:46] <wavefunction> nolimitsoya, That's just what I use to do :) I was wandering if there was anything smarter ... :))
[12:46] <pecisk> !nvidia
[12:46] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:46] <ramon> guys ps ax gives me a cmpleet list if wht is running, but im trying to get a ssh daemon up and running and need to know whet ver im running and how I can edit the cfg. I tried the man and faq but can not find teh answer to y question.
[12:46] <abo> ubuntu is not detecting my digital camera when I plug it ( It's a normal usb connection, Sony Cybershot) can anyone help?
[12:46] <Zac1> !daemon\
[12:46] <ubotu> daemon: turns other processes into daemons. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.3-1 (edgy), package size 97 kB, installed size 300 kB
[12:47] <Zac1> what does parse mean
[12:47] <nolimitsoya> Zac1, http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=o99&q=define%3Aparse&btnG=S%C3%B6k&meta=
[12:47] <Lynoure> Zac1: read, split into pieces and 'understand'
[12:48] <nolimitsoya> 'define:' is a nice google feature :)
[12:48] <Lynoure> dict  is nice
[12:49] <Lynoure> It does not depend on google and is in ubuntu
[12:49] <[^Twen^1> why can't I create any folders within the "file system"-folder?
[12:49] <Zac1> !pci
[12:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pci - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:49] <Fortis> Twen: I think you aren't root
[12:50] <Spee_Der> Good morning Lynoure
[12:50] <ramon> how can I see what ver im running ps ax lets me see all programs im running
[12:50] <[^Twen^1> Fortis: what do you mean, now? =P
[12:50] <gnomefreak> ramon: lsb_release -a
[12:50] <Fortis> Twen: You need to be root to do that
[12:50] <ramon> thanks gnomefreak
[12:50] <gnomefreak> yw
[12:51] <Fortis> As non-superuser you only can make folders in your one directory
[12:51] <Fortis> Twen: /home/username/
[12:51] <abo> anyone can help me mount my Digital camera in ubuntu... Daper used to detect it automatically... with edgy I can't see it
[12:52] <ramon> gnomefreak can you also tell me how i can edit my sshd daemon in VI?
[12:52] <[^Twen^1> Fortis: ok? how can I be root, then? Though it is my system.. Im using the ubuntu-server right now to chat the IRC
[12:52] <[^Twen^1> Fortis: ahh, I'll check that out
[12:52] <Fortis> Twen: OK
[12:52] <gnomefreak> ramon: nope sorry cant :(
[12:53] <ramon> np thanks anyway ;)
[12:53] <gnomefreak> ramon: why use vi? use something easy ;)
[12:53] <reverseblade> how can I prevent my users to delete a directory itself, but they should be able to create files within
[12:53] <gnomefreak> brb
[12:53] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, learning vim pays off
[12:53] <ramon> well i have to learn to work with it because we use it at work also ;)
[12:54] <ramon> anyone else who can tell me how to edit my sshd cfg in VI?
[12:54] <reverseblade> ramon, no matter what do not use the cursor keys
[12:54] <nothlit> you could probably set the sticky flag or chmod the dir
[12:54] <Fortis> reverseblad: I don't know exactly how, but you need chmod
[12:54] <[^Twen^1> Fortis: just found the /home/username-folder, but there is nothing in it but a desktop, and a example-folder..
[12:54] <Fortis> Twen: That's fine
[12:54] <reverseblade> ramon, sudo vim /path/to/file
[12:54] <Fortis> Twen: Put your stuff in there
[12:54] <ramon> thanksreversblade I will try that
[12:55] <onthos> Can anyone help me with my joystick?
[12:55] <reverseblade> ramon, type i to get into insert mode, press escape to normal mode , :wq to save and quit , etc
[12:55] <onthos> Er... that sounds dirtier than it really is.
[12:55] <[^Twen^1> Fortis: so I should download all programs and stuff to that folder+
[12:55] <[^Twen^1> ?
[12:55] <ramon> thanks again reversblade
[12:55] <Fortis> Twen: I should do that, yes
[12:57] <[^Twen^1> Fortis: ok, just saw the apache-root-folder was located /var/www    so how can I put files in that one when it's protected?
[12:57] <Fortis> Uhm... via the shell using sudo.. I'm not sure, try that
[12:58] <reverseblade> how can I prevent my users to delete a directory itself, but they should be able to create files within ?
[01:00] <gnomefreak> ramon: my point was learn vim on a file you make not one that is important. vim isnt hard to learn just takes some time to learn the commands
[01:00] <dcordes> !botsnack
[01:00] <ubotu> Yum!
[01:00] <abo> when I do lsusb, I get a list of entries such as "Bus 005 Device 004: ID 054c:0010" , how can I tell which node/device in /dev this usb device can be access, I need to know to try to mount it as vfat
[01:00] <eilker> is /etc/init.d folder consist of files of needing at booting ? i mean all files are needed for booting in /etc/init.d ? or do we have more ?
[01:01] <jikanter> eilker: you need these, as well as a few more..
[01:02] <gnomefreak> make a file that has stupid info in it and edit it with vim that way nothing gets messed up. always learn what the files do and how they do it before editing it just to edit it. if you going to edit a file that is needed and cant be messed up use nano or gedit or whatever until you learn your way around a file and around vim
[01:02] <eilker> jikanter: what are the left? where are the left ?
[01:02] <jikanter> huh?
[01:02] <jikanter> elker: what is the left? you mean the rest of the files you need to boot?
[01:03] <dbe> How do I enter the menu bar in GUI applications (File, View etc...) with a shortcut?
[01:03] <jikanter> dbe: right-click on desktop, add-shortcut to nautilus /usr/bin/nautilus
[01:03] <nolimitsoya> dbe, alt+underlined hotkey
[01:03] <gnomefreak> dbe: what are you trying to do. like lets say you want to open a tab in gnome-terminal you could use shift+ctrl+t
[01:04] <jikanter> dbe: do you mean a click shortcut or a keyboard shortcut?
[01:04] <dbe> jikanter, Keyboard.
[01:04] <jikanter> oh
[01:05] <eilker> jikanter: yes exactly
[01:05] <dbe> nolimitsoya, Shift+_ HOTKEY does not work for me.
[01:05] <dbe> nolimitsoya, RIght, Alt.
[01:05] <dbe> nolimitsoya, Thanks.
[01:06] <jikanter> eilker: well, you need the /etc/rcX.d files for one
[01:06] <nolimitsoya> dbe, does for me. :) (xfce, though...) alt+f gives me file menu in firefox :)
[01:06] <dbe> nolimitsoya, Alt+HOTKEY is fine.
[01:06] <bewd> Spee_Der: and where i install the program ?
[01:06] <jikanter> eilker: meaning rc0.d rc1.d rc2.d etc
[01:06] <nolimitsoya> dbe, good :)
[01:06] <dbe> nolimitsoya, Does it work for you with that?
[01:06] <nolimitsoya> yupp :)
[01:07] <bewd> in what folder i need to install a .exe program (using wine) ?
[01:07] <nolimitsoya> bewd, whereever you want to
[01:07] <eilker> jikanter: thank you
[01:07] <Zac1> bot
[01:07] <Spee_Der> Make a folder with the name of the program.....
[01:07] <bewd> where ?
[01:07] <Spee_Der> That way you know where to find it.
[01:07] <bewd> in my home dir ?
[01:08] <nolimitsoya> bewd, as i said, wherever
[01:08] <jikanter> eilker, there are a few more as well
[01:08] <Spee_Der> bewd: /home/user/program_name
[01:08] <Zac1> How do I get a java interpreter
[01:08] <bewd> Spee_Der: i cant, i can install only in "program files"
[01:08] <eilker> jikanter: i see, i am gonna search
[01:09] <bewd> i think c:\ is my home dir and program files is my name ?
[01:09] <Spee_Der> No.
[01:09] <bimberi> !java | Zac1
[01:09] <ubotu> Zac1: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[01:09] <Spee_Der> C:\ is your dir yes,
[01:09] <CyberBat> Can anyone help me with sharing?
[01:09] <nolimitsoya> bewd, no, z: is /, and c: is a folder inte .wine in /home
[01:10] <Spee_Der> Program files is a place where programs are stored.
[01:10] <nolimitsoya> *-te
[01:10] <jikanter> CyberBat: what do you mean sharing?
[01:10] <Spee_Der> nolimit has a better grasp on this so I will watch....
[01:10] <jikanter> Do you mean file sharing? Internet connection sharing?
[01:10] <Zac1> ubotu: how do i get a java interpreter
[01:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about how do i get a java interpreter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:10] <bewd> nolimitsoya: so where can i install ? in c:\Program Files\ ?
[01:11] <nolimitsoya> Zac1, apt-cache search <whatever you want> will sort you out
[01:11] <nolimitsoya> bewd, as i said, you can install wherever you want to.
[01:11] <Zac1> !javac
[01:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about javac - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:11] <nolimitsoya> !botabuse
[01:11] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops... ;-)
[01:12] <Zac1> !botabuse|nolinitsoya
[01:12] <Zac1> gy
[01:12] <Spee_Der> Still no luck changing background color in Opera.....
[01:13] <Zaggynl> Anyone knows how to bind keypad keys in gconf-editor?
[01:13] <Zac1> ubotu
[01:13] <nolimitsoya> Zac1, please
[01:13] <Zac1> nalimiesoya: OKKKKKKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
[01:13] <Spee_Der> Zac1: Patience has its limits and you are getting close to the edge my friend.
[01:14] <nolimitsoya> !caps | Zac1
[01:14] <ubotu> Zac1: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[01:14] <nolimitsoya> !coc | Zac1
[01:14] <CyberBat> jikander: can I query you?
[01:14] <ubotu> Zac1: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[01:14] <CyberBat> jikanter: can I query you?
[01:14] <Zac1> ok
[01:14] <jikanter> CyberBat: I am not sure what that means
[01:14] <nolimitsoya> ask a question :)
[01:15] <jikanter> go ahead
[01:15] <Zac1> 8-)
[01:15] <Zaggynl> Anyone knows a list of key bindings which can be used in gconf-editor?
[01:15] <Zaggynl> I'm trying to bind keypad substract to a 'run_command'
[01:15] <combo> HI, anybody here who can help me with my WLan config?
[01:15] <nolimitsoya> !wifi | combo
[01:15] <ubotu> combo: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:15] <Zaggynl> !gconf-editor
[01:15] <ubotu> gconf-editor: An editor for the GConf configuration system. In component main, is optional. Version 2.16.0-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 131 kB, installed size 1684 kB
[01:16] <Zaggynl> :/
[01:16] <nolimitsoya> Zaggynl, try 'man gconf' in a terminal
[01:16] <Zaggynl> I did that a little time ago
[01:16] <nolimitsoya> no luck?
[01:16] <combo> i've already looked up this page and found nothing about my problem, i was already in #ubuntu-de
[01:16] <Zaggynl> gconf-editor it was
[01:16] <Zaggynl> zaggynl@AMD3200L:~$ man gconf No manual entry for gconf
[01:16] <Zaggynl> it's gconf-editor ;-)
[01:16] <nolimitsoya> :)
[01:16] <Spee_Der> Still stuck with the default bright white background in the Opera irc .......
[01:17] <nolimitsoya> anyhow, still no luck?
[01:17] <Zaggynl> if there was just a list for every key on a normal qwerty keyboard
[01:17] <TehDooMCat> Hullo, can anyone help me figure out why my install CDs for ubuntu 6.06 keep kernel panicking after the first bootscreen?
[01:17] <Zac1> !8-)
[01:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 8-) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:17] <Spee_Der> I don't understand the color choice format and am looking for instructions for same.
[01:17] <dcordes> where can i find a list of compatible webcams?
[01:17] <nolimitsoya> Spee_Der, sudo apt-get remove opera lostirc+ firefox+
[01:17] <nolimitsoya> ;)
[01:17] <mseney> TehDooMCat, prob cuz you don't have enough RAM
[01:18] <mseney> TehDooMCat, use the alternate iso image (it's text based installer)
[01:18] <davetherave> hi guys, checked forums but not too helpful.....wanna now the best up to date software for ripping dvd's. Will anything handle arcoss
[01:18] <TehDooMCat> I have 1.5 gigs of RAM :\
[01:18] <TehDooMCat> okay
[01:18] <nolimitsoya> !alternate | TehDooMCat
[01:18] <ubotu> TehDooMCat: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[01:18] <mseney> TehDooMCat, hrmm that's wierd then
[01:18] <Spee_Der> hmmmmmm
[01:19] <combo> I've got a notebook with onboard WLan (Broadcom). After installing the drivers and gnome-network-manager i tried to connect to my AP (WPA) but i still can't connect - it dosn't recieve an actual key
[01:19] <combo> can anybody help me?
[01:19] <nolimitsoya> combo, broadcom are evil. give up, or youll face mental illness :)
[01:19] <mseney> TehDooMCat, i prefer the alternate over the gui install. even on a pentium 4 3.0Ghz that gui install seemed boggy cuz of running from live
[01:19] <combo> i know :) but i can't afford a new one^^
[01:20] <nolimitsoya> combo, you wont get it working, thats what im saying :)
[01:20] <nothlit> mseney, sudo aptitude reinstall ~i ?
[01:20] <abo> how can I tell what's the resolution of my screen?
[01:20] <nolimitsoya> combo, any atempts will mean mental- and nervous breakdown
[01:20] <mseney> nothlit, huh?
[01:20] <nothlit> nm
[01:20] <combo> nolimitsoya it is no Problem with WEP - the only problem is with WPA
[01:21] <nolimitsoya> !broadcom
[01:21] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:21] <Spee_Der> abo: In the top menu/system/preferences/screen resolution
[01:21] <nolimitsoya> hm... thats not what i wanted :/
[01:21] <dcordes> nolimitsoya: bcm gave me mental illness to
[01:21] <nolimitsoya> damn bot >_< need to upgrade its phycic skillz0rs :P
[01:21] <Spee_Der> lol
[01:22] <combo> nolimitsoya: no idea waht it coult be? The Device is still working but the only Problem is WPA
[01:23] <jikanter> combo: what type of device do you have?
[01:23] <nolimitsoya> broadcom :)
[01:23] <combo> yes^
[01:23] <combo> onboard^^
[01:24] <combo> it still connects with an universe driver to all WLans but to no WPA Secured ones
[01:25] <Spee_Der> Coffee is good and hot, but the color of this screen stinks out loud.... it is blinding..... lol
[01:25] <cew_musik> yaffed
[01:25] <nolimitsoya> combo, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683
[01:27] <combo> nolimitsoya there is a new linux driver out for this device, as discribed in the german ubuntu manual pages
[01:27] <combo> it works very well
[01:30] <combo> i think its my config with wpa_supplicant is wrong, can that be?
[01:30] <hyper_ch> nolimitsoya: did you laugh at combo because of his chip on his wifi card?
[01:31] <DARKGuy> Okay, anybody here with experience in any webserver program? I've been trying to set up a webserver service in my home pc for days and haven't found the way how to. Please if someone can guide me step-by-step I would be really glad, because all I can do is install the programs, but it doesn't allows outside access!
[01:32] <hyper_ch> DARKGuy: have a look at www.howtoforge.com --> they have several tutorials for setting up LAMP on *ubuntu
[01:32] <porkpie> Hi guy's I have just moved my websites to an ubuntu server but on a couple of sites I am getting this error Invalid command 'RewriteEngine', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
[01:32] <DARKGuy> hyper_ch: LAMP is for Server ubuntu cd, right? or does it work for desktop ubuntu install too?
[01:32] <ompaul> DarkED, I think you have the program set up what you need to do is modify your "router/firewall"
[01:33] <nothlit> DARKGuy, you probably have a router/firewall/proxy problem or your ISP may block ports like 80 and 25
[01:33] <DARKGuy> DarkED: It works because it does in Windows.
[01:33] <nothlit> LAMP is linux apache mysql php
[01:33] <hyper_ch> DARKGuy: no, LAMP is an acryonm for Linux Apache MySQL PHP
[01:33] <hyper_ch> DARKGuy: you can install that still on the desktop ubuntu installs... that's not a big problem
[01:33] <DarkED> Um..
[01:33] <DARKGuy> hyper_ch: Ah, I'll try on that site then, thanks
[01:33] <DarkED> I have no idea what you guys just pm'd me about :D
[01:34] <nothlit> hmm.. does ubuntu have a lamp metapackage?
[01:34] <nothlit> DarkED, lol we didn't pm you
[01:34] <hyper_ch> DARKGuy: however running a lamp I would rather advice on using debian sarge :)
[01:34] <DarkED> nothlit: You didnt, but two others did. something about a router?
[01:34] <porkpie> Any ideas  .....I am sure the rewrite module is instaled can someone tell me what pkg is missing? I am new to ubuntu
[01:34] <DARKGuy> hyper_ch: It's for sharing files temporarly with friends and such anyways, it's not gonna be permament ^_^;
[01:35] <nothlit> DarkED, tell us how your internet setup works. do you dial in have cable /lan plug into a router?
[01:35] <hyper_ch> DARKGuy: is it a lan?
[01:35] <DARKGuy> hyper_ch: Nope, over the WWW
[01:35] <pradeepvglughyd> hey anyone suggest a good manual for enlightenment on ubuntu
[01:35] <DarkED> nothlit: Um... its a Sprint PCS EVDO card...
[01:35] <nothlit> DarkED, sometimes ISP's don't let you run a http / ftp / mail server
[01:36] <hyper_ch> DARKGuy: if it's just for file sharing then I would either use FTP or SCP/SSH
[01:36] <DARKGuy> nothlit: then explain how does it works in Win?
[01:36] <DarkED> nothlit: I think you are talking to the wrong person...
[01:36] <hyper_ch> DARKGuy: and not setting up a www-server
[01:36] <DARKGuy> hyper_ch: I'd use it for showing websites too
[01:36] <DarkED> I never asked anyone a question
[01:36] <nothlit> is that 3g stuff or cablemodem/dsl/isdn stuff
[01:36] <DarkED> nothlit: Mine is 3G
[01:36] <nothlit> DarkED, oops sorry
[01:36] <DARKGuy> What a confusion xD
[01:36] <DarkED> Sorry guys
[01:36] <DarkED> I'll exit for a bit
[01:36] <hyper_ch> DarkED: I would seperate the web stuff and the sharing files stuff :)
[01:37] <DARKGuy> Nah, it's okay
[01:37] <DARKGuy> hyper_ch: memory-wise?
[01:37] <nothlit> Wait which Dark needs help with what
[01:37] <hyper_ch> DARKGuy: : I would seperate the web stuff and the sharing files stuff :)
[01:37] <DARKGuy> xD
[01:37] <hyper_ch> DARKGuy: nothing you would notice
[01:37] <DARKGuy> hyper_ch: Either way, I can't set up any FTP/WWW program with outside access, it just doesn't work >.<
[01:38] <nothlit> DARKGuy, how do you connect to the internet
[01:38] <hyper_ch> DARKGuy: why doesn't it just work?
[01:38] <nothlit> DARKGuy, you may not be able to if its your isp, unless you run on alternate ports
[01:38] <flossgeek_> Does anyone know to address the openoffice fonts rendering issue on edgy?
[01:39] <DARKGuy> nothlit: Uh, this PC is on a LAN... kinda, no domain just workgroup, goes to a switch which has the modem connected to it. No router here and I've tried with stuff like VNC and PHPDev/Apache for Windows and it works
[01:39] <hoelk_> anyone knows a good site where you can get a nice simple picutre blog for free?
[01:39] <DARKGuy> hyper_ch: I can access the apache thingy using my IP from this PC, but others can't from outside
[01:40] <hyper_ch> DARKGuy: are you sure there is no router or something? I just have problems to thinkt hat you are directly connected to the internet
[01:40] <nothlit> hyper_ch, " Uh, this PC is on a LAN... kinda, no domain just workgroup, goes to a switch which has the modem connected to it. No router here and I've tried with stuff like VNC and PHPDev/Apache for Windows and it works"
[01:41] <hyper_ch> it has a modem connected... so it may very well be the case that the modem also is a router
[01:41] <DARKGuy> hyper_ch: Huawei Smartax MT882, that thing has a router?
[01:41] <DARKGuy> I thought a router was a separate thing
[01:42] <birkett> hey, can someone help me out with the ubuntu install process?
[01:42] <hyper_ch> DARKGuy: what is your IP?
[01:42] <hyper_ch> DARKGuy: ifconfig
[01:42] <nothlit> DARKGuy, type ifconfig into a terminal
[01:42] <birkett> ive been stuck at "running 22gnome_panel_data" for an hour
[01:42] <DARKGuy> hyper_ch: nothlit  <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:42] <hyper_ch> DARKGuy: did that come out when you typed "ifconfig" into a terminal?
[01:43] <DARKGuy> hyper_ch: inet addr, yes
[01:43] <javaJake> Hello everyone.
[01:43] <hyper_ch> DARKGuy: then you are indeed directly connected to the internet....
[01:44] <nothlit> DARKGuy, were you trying to access a file on the server? linux servers are case sensitive
[01:44] <birkett> anyone?
[01:44] <hyper_ch> DARKGuy: no that is strange...
[01:44] <javaJake> birkett, say what?
[01:44] <hyper_ch> s/no /now
[01:44] <DARKGuy> nothlit: I tried the simple http://<ip>/
[01:44] <neverm1nd> I have problem with skype, can anyone help me?
[01:44] <birkett> ive been stuck at "running 22gnome_panel_data" for an hour
[01:44] <neverm1nd> :)
[01:44] <nothlit> hyper_ch, lol whats strange is that he got the windows one to work
[01:44] <DARKGuy> nothlit: apache page was shown locally, but not from the outside
[01:44] <nothlit> DARKGuy, are you running any ubuntu firewall? firestarter?
[01:45] <hyper_ch> DARKGuy: in the console please enter:  sudo apt-get install apache2
[01:45] <DARKGuy> nothlit: don't think so, at least I don't see any firestarter stuff in ps -ax
[01:45] <pradeepvglughyd> hey anyone suggest a good manual for enlightenment on ubuntu
[01:45] <DARKGuy> hyper_ch: ok
[01:45] <nothlit> pradeepvglughyd, you should specify e16 or e17 first btw
[01:45] <hyper_ch> pradeepvglughyd: you have come to the right place... ask and your question may (or may not) be answered :)
[01:45] <hyper_ch> dark
[01:46] <javaJake> birkett, oh, well, I can't be of much service there.
[01:46] <birkett> ok
[01:46] <javaJake> birkett, sorry.
[01:46] <hyper_ch> DARKGuy: after that do  sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[01:46] <pradeepvglughyd> nothlit e17
[01:46] <birkett> np, im sure someone else has the same problem
[01:46] <DARKGuy> hyper_ch: okay, just a sec
[01:46] <nothlit> did you try the ebuntu documentation?
[01:46] <birkett> looking on the forums, theres nly 4 threads relating too it though
[01:46] <DARKGuy> hyper_ch: says it's already running
[01:46] <nothlit> I think theres some floating around somewhere
[01:46] <hyper_ch> DARKGuy: that's good :)
[01:46] <DARKGuy> hyper_ch: it started it when it finished installing, anyways
[01:46] <javaJake> birkett, I'd google, though. Something like "frozen 22gnome_panel_data" or "stuck 22gnome_panel_data".
[01:47] <DARKGuy> hyper_ch: that part it is :)
[01:47] <nothlit> DARKGuy, did you check your apache config  files?
[01:48] <DARKGuy> nothlit: I want to modify them, but I dunno what to edit in order to make it visible from the outside
[01:48] <hyper_ch> DARKGuy: I can ping you but I can't access your apache
[01:48] <nothlit> birkett, does it always freeze? did you checksum the disc?
[01:48] <DARKGuy> hyper_ch: see? that's what happens
[01:48] <hyper_ch> nothlit can you try to access his IP by a browser?
[01:48] <DARKGuy> hyper_ch: However, I have the index displaying right here
[01:48] <pradeepvglughyd> hey anyone suggest a good manual for enlightenment(e17) on ubuntu
[01:49] <nothlit> hyper_ch, pinged it and tried to visit it as soon as he pasted his ip
[01:49] <javaJake> birkett, oh, you running livecd?
[01:49] <DARKGuy> nothlit: It wasn't up when I pasted the IP :P
[01:49] <hyper_ch> nothlit: but no success either right?
[01:49] <javaJake> birkett, yea, I'd run the "Check CD" thing first ALWAYS. If any _ONE_ thing is messed up, it's bound to cause problems one way or another.
[01:49] <nothlit> hyper_ch, well, the pinging worked rofl
[01:49] <DARKGuy> nothlit: right now it is, or so it see I only see an apache2-default folder in the browser
[01:49] <DARKGuy> *seems
[01:50] <birkett> javajake: I passed the media check :P
[01:50] <reverseblade> How do I enable ACL ?
[01:50] <nothlit> DARKGuy, btw you configuration files are in /etc and the server files are in /var/www
[01:50] <nothlit> htdocs
[01:50] <hyper_ch> DARKGuy: well, no clue... sorry
[01:50] <javaJake> birkett, oh, ok
[01:50] <DARKGuy> hyper_ch: s'okay, big thanks for trying ^^;;
[01:50] <javaJake> birkett, try this: when you boot the livecd push f6.
[01:50] <DARKGuy> nothlit: Yup, I know that :P
[01:51] <Vorbote> reverseblade: it depends on your filesystem.
[01:51] <birkett> yup
[01:51] <DARKGuy> nothlit: I wonder, does this normal install of apache2 makes it accessible from the outside by default or do you have to edit something in order to do so?
[01:51] <javaJake> birkett, then erase the "quiet" and "splash" words, and push enter.
[01:51] <reverseblade> Vorbote, since this is #ubuntu , what file system I could be using ?
[01:51] <birkett> okies
[01:51] <DARKGuy> Vorbote: ext3 IIRC
[01:52] <nothlit> DARKGuy, ubuntu's automatically does from what i remember
[01:52] <javaJake> birkett, that'll give you verbose output about what's going on.
[01:52] <nothlit> DARKGuy, i don't have it installed atm
[01:52] <javaJake> birkett, that might help.
[01:52] <birkett> ya
[01:52] <Vorbote> reverseblade: that's a combination of religigous belief and personal experience. But as DARKGuy points out (erroneusly to me, btw) ext3 is the default in Debian and derivatives.
[01:52] <nothlit> DARKGuy, have you tried accessing other services from 'remote' computers?
[01:52] <DARKGuy> nothlit: Hm, do you know what to edit, so I can change the listening port, for example? it's the last thing that comes to mind :/
[01:52] <birkett> ill see what happens, hpefully wont have to stare at 80% for an hour
[01:52] <javaJake> birkett, lol
[01:52] <DARKGuy> nothlit: Yes, VNC works
[01:52] <neverm1nd> where skype saves passwords?
[01:53] <knix_> neverm1nd: they're encrypted
[01:53] <nothlit> DARKGuy, just find the port entry in the apache.ini (i think it should be there)
[01:53] <reverseblade> Vorbote, you are very helpful, in deed
[01:53] <Vorbote> reverseblade: in the case of ext2/3/4 you use tune2fs to enable ACLs in the filesystem.
[01:53] <nothlit> like ctrl+f find it (or C^W if you're using nano)
[01:53] <DARKGuy> nothlit: is there an apache.ini in linux oO whoah
[01:53] <reverseblade> alright
[01:53] <hyper_ch> DARKGuy: changing apache port is in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf I think
[01:53] <reverseblade> Vorbote, I have just installed a package called ACL
[01:53] <neverm1nd> knix_:  I've just installed skype and it's showing that wrong pass
[01:53] <nothlit> ^ there you go :)
[01:53] <DARKGuy> Ah, there, thanks hyper_ch :)
[01:54] <Vorbote> reverseblade: yes, you need the userspace tools to be able to manipulate ACLs in the filesystem
[01:54] <nothlit> DARKGuy, lol i guess not, sry, I don't have apache installed atm so I can't check
[01:54] <Spee_Der> Good morning DARK
[01:54] <DARKGuy> nothlit: S'okay, I found it xD
[01:54] <DARKGuy> hey Spee_Der! good morning, how it's going :)
[01:54] <javaJake> neverm1nd, you could delete the entire .skype folder.
[01:54] <Spee_Der> Very well & you ?
[01:54] <A3n> iwlist scan cant find my AP
[01:55] <reverseblade> alright, one more thing Vorbote , is it worth enough to deal ? do you think it is stable ? and why it is not enabled by default in gnu linux? or will it be in the future ?
[01:55] <A3n> i dont know what to do
[01:55] <neverm1nd> javaJake: where can I find it?
[01:55] <DARKGuy> Spee_Der: quite good thanks, trying to set up apache for outside access >.<
[01:55] <javaJake> neverm1nd, under your home folder.
[01:55] <nothlit> DARKGuy, the problem is that you said a windows http server was accessible, which pretty much rules out almost everything, except a firewall config
[01:55] <Spee_Der> Very nice.
[01:55] <javaJake> neverm1nd, but I haven't worked wiht skype a lot, so it may not be called .skype.
[01:55] <neverm1nd> javaJake: I'll try ;)
[01:55] <DARKGuy> nothlit: and there's no firewall active right now so :P
[01:55] <neverm1nd> javaJake: thanks for help
[01:55] <Spee_Der> We are watching Rocky & Bullwinkle cartoons.
[01:55] <javaJake> A3n, does it work for other APs?
[01:55] <DARKGuy> xD cool
[01:55] <javaJake> neverm1nd, np
[01:56] <A3n> javaJake:didnt try yet
[01:56] <nothlit> DARKGuy, iptables -L
[01:56] <A3n> javaJake:trying to get my internet to work
[01:56] <javaJake> A3n, yea... what card do ya have?
[01:56] <eyalw> how do I set my away msg on gaim? the gaim channel wasn't any help
[01:56] <A3n> javaJake:installed the driver with ndiswrapper
[01:56] <javaJake> A3n, ok, good good
[01:56] <A3n> javaJake: Prism Javelin/xbow
[01:56] <javaJake> A3n, and ndiswrapper says all's well?
[01:57] <A3n> Intersil something something
[01:57] <DARKGuy> nothlit: Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT), Forward & output have empty fields
[01:57] <Vorbote> reverseblade: it is very stable. Particularly in the case of extX because that was the first file system where ACLs were implemented. (XFS was the second; reiserfs is a hack, JFS is very recent but works nicely). The reason is is not enabled by default is perhaps historic; ACLs are used in massive multi-user setups mostly and that was the domain of Solaris and AIX in the past.
[01:57] <A3n> javaJake:well its installed correctly and modprobe ndiswrapper doesnt error
[01:57] <reverseblade> Vorbote, and for the future , what is your expectations ?
[01:57] <javaJake> A3n, does "ndiswrapper -l" say it is installed AND the hardware is present?
[01:58] <A3n> and iwconfig finds eth2 as a wireless interface with the correct ssid
[01:58] <nothlit> DARKGuy, I think I'm out of ideas
[01:58] <Vorbote> reverseblade: Linux multi-user servers will rule ;-)
[01:58] <A3n> yup
[01:58] <javaJake> A3n, say what? eth2 as a wireless device, with correct ssid?...
[01:58] <DARKGuy> nothlit: so am I :( I'm changing ports to see if I have any luck
[01:58] <javaJake> A3n, I'm not following there...
[01:58] <reverseblade> Vorbote, I meant about the availability of ACL by default ?
[01:58] <nothlit> DARKGuy, after you change the config sudo /etc/init.d/apache restart
[01:59] <reverseblade> Vorbote, I am just curious, if we could see ACL as the de facto standard
[01:59] <DARKGuy> nothlit: just did, try please? http://darkguy.no-ip.org:300/
[01:59] <A3n> javaJake:iwlist eth2 (my wireless) scan cant find my access point
[01:59] <javaJake> A3n, are you saying eth2 is seeing your wireless network?
[01:59] <A3n> http://prism54.org/punbb/viewtopic.php?pid=4428
[01:59] <A3n> like this
[01:59] <nothlit> DARKGuy, not working
[01:59] <DARKGuy> nothlit: dangit :/
[01:59] <A3n> apperantly, but it cant find my AP for some reason
[01:59] <Airwulf> hello to you all
[01:59] <DARKGuy> hi Airwulf
[02:00] <Airwulf> Can I modify the context menu of gnome desktop?
[02:00] <abes> Hey I have a problem: I have a laptop with an audio output in the front (3.5mm jack). When I plug the headphones in they work, indeed, but the main speakers are still on which kind of beats the purpose of the headphones... Any ideas?
[02:00] <javaJake> A3n, ok, it seems like they're making an AP using their card.
[02:00] <Vorbote> reverseblade: that's always a prerogative of the sysadmin. If you like me, are a BOfH or former one, you will enabled them first thing in the list. But to enable them by efault? Hmm... I think the traditional POSIX scheme works well enough, unless you have to interoperate with SMB/CIFS filesystems (namely WinNT/Samba).
[02:00] <javaJake> A3n, and they can see other APs.
[02:00] <javaJake> A3n, which tells me their cards are working, mostly.
[02:01] <javaJake> A3n, now, in your case, your card doesn't seem to work at all.
[02:01] <reverseblade> Vorbote, I got it, thanks
[02:01] <javaJake> A3n, and they use the kernel modules, not ndiswrapper.
[02:01] <nothlit> DARKGuy, I just tried in 6 browsers, nada, but the route to you is clear with ping, so its definitely an apache problem
[02:01] <Vorbote> reverseblade: your welcome
[02:01] <javaJake> A3n, maybe there's a driver conflict... do you know what the driver for your card is in the kernel?
[02:02] <A3n> javaJake: i dont know
[02:02] <DARKGuy> nothlit: Ah, thanks for the info :) definitely it's an apache problem, but it's kind of hard to try to solve since google doesn't help at all >.< and all apache stuff I search for linux end up with LAMP installations with webserver stuff already installed and don't tell how to install it in a non-server setup
[02:02] <A3n> javaJake: i know i installed the driver correctly with ndiswrapper 1.23 with the correct howto from http://prism54.org/punbb/viewtopic.php?pid=4428
[02:02] <javaJake> A3n, wrong link.  When I plug the headphones in they work, indeed, but the main speakers are still on which kind of beats the purpose of the headphones... Any ideas?
[02:04] <alecjw> im trying to use twinview but only one of my mo0nitors works, can someone help me please?
[02:04] <alecjw> *work
[02:04] <javaJake> A3n, OK, so ndiswrapper itself is installed OK.
[02:04] <A3n> javaJake: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Installation#Configure_interface is where i have the problem
[02:04] <nothlit> DARKGuy, did you follow the server install in help.ubuntu.com/community ?
[02:04] <javaJake> A3n, goto System -> Administration -> Device Manager.
[02:04] <nothlit> DARKGuy, it'll work fine from an ubuntu-desktop install
[02:04] <javaJake> A3n, locate your card, and tell me what the model is.
[02:05] <DARKGuy> nothlit: lemme check
[02:05] <javaJake> A3n, I need something solid to google with so I can find out what kernel module might be conflicting...
[02:05] <A3n> well i'm dual booting ubuntu / windows and i'm on windows atm
[02:05] <javaJake> A3n, oh... ok....
[02:05] <javaJake> A3n, well, device manager in windows works. :)
[02:05] <javaJake> A3n, just tell me exactly what it says.
[02:05] <alecjw> here's my xorg.conf: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35172/
[02:06] <abes> Anybody?
[02:06] <alecjw> both of them onitors are exactly the smae, except oned digital (DFP) and one's analogue (CRT)
[02:06] <fuffe> I'm running Nvidia Gforce 5500FX and 3D games runned much faster on windows than on linux.
[02:06] <DARKGuy> nothlit: Yes, I followed a similar one
[02:06] <nothlit> Same vertical/horizontal scan/refresh rate?
[02:06] <A3n> "Sitecom Wireless PCI Card 54Mbps WL-121v2 ?
[02:07] <DARKGuy> nothlit: this one has some editing stuff that the ones I followed didn't had, maybe I'll try this to check
[02:07] <javaJake> alecjw, Xorg.0.log will help you get more help.
[02:07] <javaJake> A3n, excellent! That's what your card is...
[02:07] <nothlit> DARKGuy, lol I'm sorry then, the server install worked fine for me from ubuntu-desktop on a diff system
[02:07] <alecjw> javaJake: will that be in the smae dir?
[02:07] <alecjw> nothlit: were you talking to me? if you were, yes.
[02:07] <javaJake> alecjw, no, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:07] <DARKGuy> nothlit: Well, it doesn't hurt to try this one from the start, again :P
[02:07] <A3n> yea but in ubuntu it shows up as Intersil ISL Prism Javelin/Xbow
[02:08] <eilker> what is alternate cd?
[02:08] <javaJake> A3n, well then Ubuntu's plain wrong.
[02:08] <javaJake> A3n, I think
[02:08] <nothlit> alecjw, i was and oh