[00:07] <skd5aner> tgm4883: can you tell me a little bit about how mythfrontend gets launched?  How is it automated/scripted?
[00:08] <skd5aner> I don't use mythbuntu, I'm just trying to mimic some of it manually
[02:09] <qwebirc73575> Hi... How does one get the latest 0.26 update?  Does it automatically pushed out if you are running 0.25?
[02:19] <qwebirc73575> will try to get info on line later.. Thanks.
[06:03] <EdMarx> helloder
[06:35] <EdMarx> anyone here?
[06:38] <EdMarx> ublx?
[06:40] <EdMarx> ECHO
[06:40] <EdMarx> echo > echo > echo
[21:35] <jrb^> Greetings!
[21:36] <jrb^> I have a Hauppauge HVR 950Q tuner that I am having some problems with.
[21:37] <jrb^> The maintainer of the modules for this tuner have made a couple of small changes to it that are committed.
[21:38] <jrb^> How do I influence the kernel maintainers for ubuntu 12.04 to back port the changes to the 3.2 kernel being used for mythbuntu 12.04?
[21:39] <jrb^> Currently, when using mythtv with the drivers as is, It causes a kernel data dump, and kills mythtv-backend.
[21:42] <tgm4883> jrb^, just want to make sure I understand what you are saying. You want to have the kernel maintainers take the changes in the mythbuntu 12.04 kernel and apply them to the ubuntu 12.04 kernel?
[21:43] <EdMarx> Hello I have a few questions in regards to setting up mythtv Anybody there/
[21:43]  * tgm4883 hides
[21:43] <EdMarx> hides?
[21:44] <tgm4883> EdMarx, ask your question
[21:45] <EdMarx> I really want to use mythbuntu. Right now I don't have cable or the cable cards. So I was planning on using it to manage the music and videos I already have. Does this make sense?
[21:45] <tgm4883> EdMarx, if you plan on expanding later to use a tuner card, then yes
[21:46] <EdMarx> Yes I do. on that note do I need cable to get live tv? what about watching tv on the internet like sidereel.com or hulu
[21:47] <tgm4883> You would need some source for live tv (be it cable, satellite, antenna)
[21:47] <tgm4883> I don't think hulu works, and I'm unsure what sidereel.com is, but you might want to look at the mythtv plugin mythnetvision
[21:47] <jrb^> I was referring to the ubuntu kernel maintainers that would port the changes made to the ubuntu kernel
[21:48] <EdMarx> Ok So by default it has storage groups of videos, pictures, etc. I want to have an easily accessible gui that says Movies and TV-Shows just like it says videos
[21:48] <tgm4883> jrb^, I'd probably just try emailing the maintainer of wherever the modules live
[21:48] <tgm4883> so if they are in the kernel, you would need to email the kernel maintainers
[21:49] <EdMarx> I have made a storage group called movies and made the directory /var/lib/mythtv/movies. Am i on the right track?
[21:50] <jrb^> the maintainer of the modules has committed the changes to the mainstream kernel.. 3.5.something..
[21:50] <tgm4883> EdMarx, I suppose, although there isn't really  a need to create a directory for /movies, you could just use the /videos dir
[21:50] <jrb^> so I would need to find out who maintains the 3.2 kernel for ubuntu
[21:50] <tgm4883> jrb^, right, but you would need to talk to the ubuntu kernel-team (eg. the maintain of the ubuntu package linux-image-*)
[21:50] <EdMarx> I want to keep them separate tough.
[21:50] <tgm4883> jrb^<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:51] <jrb^> ah ok.
[21:51] <jrb^> thanks
[21:51] <jrb^> i'll visit that list
[21:51] <tgm4883> jrb^, yw. That is my best guess from http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/linux-image-3.2.0-23-generic
[21:51] <Zinn> [packages.ubuntu.com] Ubuntu -- Details of package linux-image-3.2.0-23-generic in precise
[21:52] <tgm4883> EdMarx, what is the difference between /videos and /movies?
[21:53] <EdMarx> videos would imply any video material i want to be able to navigate to a "Tv Show" icon when I want to watch prerecorded tv programs and navigate to a "Movie" icon when I want to watch movies
[21:54] <tgm4883> EdMarx, there are basically two sections  1) Recordings - which has all recorded content  2) Videos - Which has all content from your videos storage group
[21:54] <jrb^> tgm4883, thanks! I visited that page, and subscribed.
[21:55] <tgm4883> There might be a way to create a menu entry to jump to a certain place in the Videos section, but I've never tried it
[21:55] <EdMarx> Ok so where it says screenshots, pictures, music, fan art… can I not just add another directory there and make an icon for it so when I am on the fronted I can just navigate there?
[21:56] <tgm4883> EdMarx, no, the frontend has no knowledge of those directories
[21:56] <tgm4883> the frontend just asks the backend for content
[21:56] <EdMarx> ok well I will try this if not oh well. another problem i am having is I want to be able to input a flash drive
[21:57] <EdMarx> and have the screen allow me to sent that content to a hard drive
[21:57] <EdMarx> can I do this from the frontend?
[21:57] <tgm4883> maybe with a custom user job
[21:57] <EdMarx> what is that
[21:58] <tgm4883> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Jobs
[21:58] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] User Jobs - MythTV Official Wiki
[21:58] <EdMarx> k
[21:59] <EdMarx> how do you import media into your mythbuntu box?
[21:59] <tgm4883> I rip it on my backend
[22:00] <EdMarx> Ok maybe that is th way I should do it.
[22:00] <EdMarx> So do you have tv shows and movies that you have ripped ?
[22:01] <tgm4883> yea
[22:02] <EdMarx> when you are watching tv how to you separate the shows from the movies?
[22:03] <tgm4883> a few things
[22:04] <tgm4883> I don't record movies, only tv shows
[22:04] <tgm4883> the tv shows that I have ripped are separate from my recorded tv show
[22:04] <tgm4883> so to get to them, I go into videos
[22:04] <tgm4883> and inside that, there is a movies folder and a television folder
[22:05] <EdMarx> oh there is?
[22:05] <tgm4883> yea, by default it's not but there are a few different settings to set in there
[22:05] <tgm4883> I chose the one that makes two folders there
[22:05] <EdMarx> not to be a pain but how did you
[22:05] <EdMarx>  do that?
[22:06] <tgm4883> EdMarx, I'll have to go home and look. I think there is just a different view to change it to
[22:06] <tgm4883> let me see if I can look on my test VM here
[22:06] <EdMarx> ok. i don't want to trouble you
[22:07] <tgm4883> found it
[22:07] <tgm4883> once in there, you hit M then choose Browse By
[22:07] <tgm4883> then select TV/Movies
[22:08] <EdMarx> once in the front end
[22:08] <EdMarx> ?
[22:08] <tgm4883> yea
[22:08] <tgm4883> once in the videos section
[22:08] <EdMarx> ok
[22:09] <EdMarx> I know.. i have a lot of questions but… how do you rip the movies to the videos folder?
[22:09] <EdMarx> wait
[22:09] <EdMarx> nevemind
[22:57] <EdMarx> tgm4883: still there?
[22:57] <tgm4883> for a few minutes
[22:58] <EdMarx> I'm in the fronted and in videos. I see the video I put on HD. it gives me media information and says play yet when I click play nothing happens. codecs?
[22:58] <tgm4883> doubtful. what does the /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log say
[22:59] <EdMarx> checking.. fyi even with vlc player without fronted guy still dint work
[23:02] <EdMarx> it says a lot of things
[23:02] <EdMarx> am I supposed to be looking for anything inparticular
[23:03] <tgm4883> pastebin them
[23:03] <tgm4883> and the backend logs too
[23:03] <tgm4883> although if VLC can't play it either, I'd say it's an issue with the file
[23:06] <EdMarx> pastebin.com/YquRx30v
[23:06] <Zinn> [pastebin.com] Oct 5 15:58:52 ANTiV mythfrontend[7393]: N thread_unknown mythcommandlinepars - Pastebin.com
[23:06] <EdMarx> good point
[23:13] <EdMarx> MiWfmYsv
[23:18] <EdMarx> yeah you were right it was the file
[23:18] <EdMarx> geez


[01:08] <mramm2> davecheney: sorry, I missed you at the meeting time, and then went to dinner
[01:19] <davecheney> mramm2: wanna talk now ?
[01:22] <mramm> davecheney: sure
[01:22] <mramm> I don't have much of an agenda, just touching base
[01:22] <mramm> since we talked sunday
[01:22] <davecheney> mramm: yeah, i don't have anything to add
[01:22] <mramm> cool
[01:22] <mramm> then we can skip it
[01:22] <davecheney> is wed 8:30 our regular time ?
[01:22] <mramm> and I'll let you keep up the good work ;)
[01:22] <mramm> well, not regular
[01:23] <davecheney> cool
[01:23] <mramm> I just scheduled it after my talk with Tim
[01:23] <davecheney> i'm sorta behind today agfter LP was out all yestedday
[01:23] <davecheney> no lp == no ppa == no boostrap :(
[01:23] <mramm> gotcha
[01:23] <mramm> no worries
[01:23] <davecheney> william has asked for one more load test run, with the presence code commented out
[01:23] <mramm> I sent an e-mail this evening about the blueprint stuff (to the whole team)
[01:24] <davecheney> given we have to give the load test resources back on the 3rd
[01:24] <mramm> davecheney: yea
[01:24] <davecheney> it's probably worthwhile fitting it in this week
[01:24] <davecheney> re: email, read and understood
[01:24] <mramm> davecheney: agreed
[01:25] <davecheney> jolly good, as you were
[01:25] <davecheney> mramm: one thing, re my email about tracking patches to backport
[01:25] <davecheney> i don't think that page captures it totally
[01:26] <davecheney> which means everyone is keeping their own imcomplete list
[01:26] <davecheney> which means we'll probably miss something for the next 1.10 point release
[01:26] <davecheney> which is bad
[01:26] <mramm> Yea
[01:26] <mramm> I think we should talk about this at the meeting
[01:27] <mramm> I'm not sure everything needs to be backported
[01:27] <davecheney> mramm: that is fine
[01:27] <mramm> 1.12 will probably be less than a month away
[01:27] <mramm> so it isn't a huge deal
[01:27] <mramm> but we should *know* what is being backported
[01:27] <mramm> and *know* what is not
[01:27] <davecheney> ^ exactly
[01:27] <mramm> and have *good reasons* for which is which
[01:28] <davecheney> mramm: maybe lp/bzr has good tools to do this automatically
[01:28] <davecheney> i don't konw
[01:28] <davecheney> a google doc is a lofi solution
[01:28] <mramm2> yea
[01:28] <mramm2> there is a target series thing in lp
[01:29] <mramm2> not that I know if it makes sense
[01:29] <mramm2> anyway, I think I'm going to bug out for the evening.... I'll look into the problem and see if I can find a solution to recommend before the meeting.
[01:34] <thumper> davecheney: I'm heading out to take the kids out for exercise.  I'm taking my laptop to work on blueprints/specs but won't necessarily be online
[01:35] <thumper> will have mobile
[01:36] <davecheney> thumper: no worries
[01:36] <davecheney> understood
[02:09] <davecheney> m_3: ping
[02:09] <davecheney> i'm doing another load test run
[02:09] <davecheney> fwereade: wanted to see what it looks like with the agent presence facility turned off
[03:59] <hazmat> is there a way to forcibly remove a unit, i hit another case of a wedged unit in  bug 1175031
[03:59] <_mup_> Bug #1175031: wedged unit state error but can't be resolved <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1175031>
[08:39] <rogpeppe> mornin' all
[08:52] <dimitern> guys, my network connection is rather flaky since yesterday evening - coming on and off frequently, and generally being unstable
[08:54] <rogpeppe> dimitern: welcome to the club!
[08:54] <dimitern> rogpeppe: thanks :| i hope it'll get better, but sometimes is almost unusable
[08:55] <rogpeppe> dimitern: i'm lucky that my mobile internet bandwidth is pretty good here, so i've got an alternative
[10:14] <dimitern> so, with my internet troubles and considering it's a public holiday today here, i'll be off
[10:14] <dimitern> see you all tomorrow
[10:16] <mgz> later dimiter
[10:48] <rogpeppe> fwereade: ping
[11:06] <rogpeppe> that annoying feeling when you know you've implemented something in the past, but can't remember where it is, or even what you called it.
[11:09] <rogpeppe> ha! found it
[11:31] <mgz> jam: standup?
[11:35] <jam> mgz: logging in now
[14:01] <rogpeppe> mramm, fwereade: kanban?
[14:02] <mramm> still in another meeting
[14:02] <mramm> be there in a couple of min
[18:03] <fwereade> rogpeppe, mramm: sorry, public holiday, I should have said
[18:03] <rogpeppe> fwereade: np
[18:04] <fwereade> rogpeppe, are you aware of a reason juju set doesn't use statecmd?
[18:04] <rogpeppe> fwereade: possibly. let me check.
[18:06] <rogpeppe> fwereade: possibly because it worked as well with methods on state.Service
[18:07] <fwereade> rogpeppe, hmm, ok, I might have to do something about that -- Service.SetConfigYAML doesn't feel like a sane thing at all to me
[18:09] <rogpeppe> fwereade: it SetConfigYAML may well have preceded statecmd, i'm not sure
[18:10] <rogpeppe> fwereade: hmm, no it didn't
[18:12] <rogpeppe> i wish i knew how to interpret the revnos printed by bzr blame
[18:13] <rogpeppe> fwereade: you didn't seem to think it too bad here: https://codereview.appspot.com/8626043/diff/5001/state/service.go#newcode739
[18:14] <rogpeppe> fwereade: but i'd be ok seeing it move if you do mind the churn
[18:14] <rogpeppe> s/do/don't/
[18:17] <rogpeppe> fwereade: BTW you might be interested in this. it's a JSON representation of the API: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5622552/
[18:18] <rogpeppe> fwereade: there are quite a few possible applications for the info
[18:29] <rogpeppe> fwereade: i have to jump on my bike and go back from town
[18:29] <rogpeppe> fwereade: might pop my head in later
[18:30] <rogpeppe> fwereade: if not, see ya tomoz
[21:12] <thumper> morning
[21:12] <thumper> hi fwereade (if you are still around)
[21:12] <fwereade> thumper, hey, more or less; sorry, long time no speak
[21:12] <thumper> fwereade: that happens
[21:12] <thumper> I was just thinking this morning that it had been a while since we had talked
[21:14] <fwereade> thumper, how's it going?
[21:14] <thumper> bit of a headache this morning, but not sure if that is lack of coffee or from being punched in the head
[21:15] <thumper> :)
[21:15] <thumper> it has been quite a slow week as I have had to deal with kids on school holidays
[21:15] <thumper> i'm trying to get some meat into some of the blueprints for next week
[21:17] <fwereade> thumper, ouch
[21:17] <fwereade> thumper, I am much exercised by service config setting
[21:17] <thumper> although it is the ribs that is hurting right now
[21:17] <thumper> what do you mean by service config setting?
[21:18] <fwereade> thumper, juju set
[21:18] <thumper> right, what's the problem?
[21:18] <fwereade> thumper, egregious incompatibility in --config flag
[21:18] <fwereade> thumper, but on looking at it, ow, my brain
[21:19] <fwereade> thumper, and, fair enough, the --config flag seems reasonably obvious
[21:20] <fwereade> thumper, *but* it appears to have been implemented without actually checking what python did
[21:20] <thumper> fwereade: I have some sekrit work to make jcastro happy... (I implemented switch)
[21:20] <fwereade> thumper, <3
[21:20] <thumper> fwereade: oh, and I guess that is a problem
[21:21] <fwereade> thumper, yeah -- and there's a SetConfigYAML method on Service which I reviewed with by-far-not-enough whining :/
[21:21] <fwereade> thumper, and is in hindsight profoundly wrong
[21:21] <thumper> I've been half thinking recently about things like pubsubhubbub
[21:21] <fwereade> thumper, but forgivable because the SetConfig implementation is *itself* profoundly icky, because it sets typed data as a map[string]string, and gaah
[21:22] <thumper> heh
[21:22] <fwereade> thumper, so with enough kicking that can be collapsed into a SetConfig(map[string]interface{}) that at least has the data of the right type, and validates it
[21:22] <thumper> my juju mind has been somewhat split between: logging, ha, containerisation, status announcements
[21:23] <fwereade> thumper, and with slight shame tacking the weird YAML behaviour (not at *all* obvious) onto charm.Config, and bleh
[21:23] <fwereade> thumper, I haven't really managed to settle cleanly on a high-level topic at all, I have to spend tomorrow on blueprints
[21:23] <thumper> fwereade: does it really need a "step back and reevaluate"?
[21:24] <thumper> and take a fresh look at roles and responsibilities?
[21:24] <fwereade> thumper, the config stuff?
[21:24] <thumper> yeah
[21:25] <fwereade> thumper, it was somehow implemented wrong and without tests, so I kinda needed to fine-tooth comb it to figure out what was going on
[21:25] <thumper> ouch
[21:25] <fwereade> thumper, it seems to be nonstandard in several ways
[21:26] <fwereade> thumper, each individually forgivably so, but end-to-end it's very confusing
[21:27] <thumper> it becomes a tough call
[21:27] <fwereade> thumper, that was the stuff I was trying to dump on you when you first joined, all I had then was a slight intimation of it being weird and needing a look
[21:28] <thumper> heh
[21:28] <thumper> yay, dodged a bullet there
[21:28] <fwereade> thumper, in this case I'm fairly comfortable choosing to fix rather than to layer on what feel like further hacks
[21:28] <thumper> yeah, good call
[21:30] <fwereade> m_3, ping
[21:33] <fwereade> thumper, anyway, sorry, you were saying much more interesting things
[21:33] <thumper> :)
[21:34] <thumper> I had a good chat with the BDFL of docker
[21:34] <fwereade> cool!
[21:34] <thumper> he is CEO of dotcloud
[21:34] <thumper> unfortunately he is on holiday for two weeks starting Monday
[21:34] <thumper> but is going to make sure someone from their office goes to the gophers meetup
[21:34] <thumper> docker are very keen to work with us
[21:34] <thumper> to make sure we get what we need
[21:35] <thumper> anyway, I've added quite a bit to the containerisation spec
[21:35] <thumper> and I was going to start on HA spec today
[21:35] <fwereade> awesomesauce
[21:36] <thumper> however I have some ideas that don't fit into specs
[21:36] <thumper> in particular rationalizing logging
[21:36] <thumper> and having a way to publish status changes
[21:36] <thumper> a la pubsubhubbub type thing
[21:36] <thumper> just a publish/subscribe hub
[21:37] <thumper> if we had the api server and other commands publish on the bus,
[21:37] <thumper> we could potentially have something like 'juju observe'
[21:37] <thumper> very hand wavey right now
[21:38] <thumper> as I've spent exactly 5 minutes actively thinking about it
[21:38] <thumper> rest of the time it has been quietly perculating in the hind-brain
[22:37] <bigjools_> g'day
[23:01] <hazmat> thumper, that sounds nice.. api server publishing messages, instead of state txn tail
[23:01] <thumper> hazmat: it would be nice, but I've not put too much thought into it yet
[23:01] <thumper> hazmat: we could then have a log listener that takes the events and logs them
[23:02] <thumper> hazmat: but we could also hook in other listeners
[23:02] <hazmat> thumper, yes.. aka audit trail
[23:02]  * thumper nods
[23:02] <thumper> I may also hack up a different logging implementation based on my C++ work in the past
[23:02]  * thumper has written too many logging systems
[23:03] <thumper> there would be differences, but I think we could make on that is idiomatic go without too much trouble
[23:03] <hazmat> thumper, i was trying out a few web api server broadcasting messages for a thought experiment it works well
[23:03] <thumper> I don't get what you are saying there :)
[23:03] <thumper> what were you testing?
[23:03] <hazmat> i ended up on rabbitmq.. after trying hard to with zeromq..
[23:04] <hazmat> thumper, seeing what a juju api server for internal api would look like
[23:04] <thumper> ok
[23:07] <hazmat> thumper,  i ended up using the existing juju-core api for an embeded watch/observer in a new version of juju deployer.. the client side is useful already.. embedded in the server api is nice as stat/audit/rate limit.
[23:07] <hazmat> thumper, not sure what you mean by logging impl
[23:07] <thumper> hazmat: have logging categories
[23:07] <thumper> and be able to set verbosity on a category by category level
[23:08] <thumper> with sub categories
[23:08] <hazmat> log hierarchy
[23:08] <thumper> so set juju.api to INFO, juju.uniter.upgrade DEBUG etc
[23:08] <thumper> aye
[23:08] <thumper> hazmat: I had a good one I write for unity
[23:09] <thumper> hazmat: that is lovely in C++ but won't work in go
[23:09] <thumper> as no maros, and no object lifetime
[23:09] <hazmat> i gotta imagine there's something extant already
[23:09] <thumper> so slight changes needed
[23:09] <thumper> hazmat: you'd think that...
[23:09] <thumper> but most of the existing ones are horrible
[23:09] <thumper> log4cpp was a bad port of log4j
[23:09] <thumper> and boost logging was fugly
[23:09] <hazmat> thumper, then again i would have thought the same about flocks
[23:10] <hazmat> ;-)
[23:10] <thumper> :)
[23:55] <AeroNotix> hi guys
[23:56] <thumper> s'up?
[23:56]  * thumper waves at davecheney
[23:56] <AeroNotix> https://github.com/AeroNotix/hpcloud so I've been working on these
[23:57] <AeroNotix> I'm not super familiar with the launchpad site so I can't see how complete goose is
[23:57] <AeroNotix> or what features it provides
[23:57] <AeroNotix> but it seems that we have a very similar design
[23:57] <AeroNotix> i.e. you have a central Client type which you then embed in submodules
[23:57] <AeroNotix> from what I gather, at least
[23:57] <AeroNotix> I am thinking if you would be open to me trying to merge my code base with yours
[23:57] <AeroNotix> providing you want the features it has
[23:58] <AeroNotix> I assume you're looking to bind to a lowest common set of available endpoints which most openstack providers... provide
[23:59] <thumper> AeroNotix: a good person to poke about goose is wallyworld_
[23:59] <thumper> I don't know anything about it
[23:59] <AeroNotix> paging wallyworld_
[23:59] <wallyworld_> hello
[23:59] <AeroNotix> If you could read the scroll back it'd save me a lot of typing :P
[23:59]  * wallyworld_ reads


[11:12] <mimecar> I want install a click package on Ubuntu device
[11:12] <mimecar> click is generated with SDK, is build and validated and fails on device installation
[11:12] <m0n5t3r> meh, the new app switcher is pretty annoying
[11:12] <mimecar> the message I get is Bad port 'Ubuntu'
[11:13] <mimecar> m0n5t3r, I'm working with  publish option but the error remains
[11:15] <m0n5t3r> mimecar: no idea, never used the sdk, not emough disk space on the laptop :)
[11:16] <m0n5t3r> the error message suggests the port name is wrong
[11:16] <m0n5t3r> port as in serial port or whatever
[11:16] <mimecar> the same code worked ok some time ago
[11:16] <m0n5t3r> I only ever used adb and ubuntu-device-flash to interact with the phone
[11:17] <m0n5t3r> it the phone unlocked? does it show in adb devices?
[11:17] <m0n5t3r> s/^it/is/
[11:17] <mimecar> is unlocked
[11:17] <mimecar> and I can connect with SSH using ubuntu sdk options
[11:19] <m0n5t3r> yeah, but ssh is over wifi, you might have a trouble with the usb link thingy
[11:21] <m0n5t3r> I might be talking out of my ass and the sdk might have an option to push packages over the network, though
[11:21] <m0n5t3r> as I said, never got to use it
[11:22] <mimecar> SDK is using usb connection
[11:22] <mimecar> because it works with phone on plane mode :)
[11:25] <mimecar> it looks device only accept connections with a ssh certificate
[15:51] <mimecar> first problem fixed
[15:51] <mimecar> I've removed qtcreator config
[15:52] <mimecar> I think the problem was related with port fordwading, now I can installa apps with Publish option
[17:35] <Acou_Bass> quick query for you folks... lets say i wanted to start from scratch and flash ubuntu touch on my nexus 4, coming from an android install
[17:36] <Acou_Bass> does the version of android installed at that time affect the ubuntu touch install in any way
[17:36] <Acou_Bass> like... if i used some custom fancy android build that had some souped-up kernel that doubled my battery life or whatever... would it benefit ubuntu too? or does ubuntu completely overwrite that kernel/other such stuff?
[19:41] <stereo__> hi, i am trying to run the emulator in 16.10 and only getting a black screen inside the emulator window. (yes, have direct rendering, tried ready images and now also built it myself). any ideas?
[22:43] <dobey> Acou_Bass: the kernel/stuff is replaced, but depending on the version of android on the device, flashing may be prohibited due to some differences in the recovery and such. i think if you want totally restart and have android on it now, the best thing to do would be to reflash totally stock android 4.4, boot up to the welcome screen, reboot to bootloader, and then do the ubuntu-device-flash
[22:44] <Acou_Bass> i already have ubuntu on my phone :) just wondered about the kernel thing :D
[22:45] <rdh> anyone have ubuntu on the newer pixel phones?
[22:51] <yang> BQ Ubuntu tablets were all gone before Black Friday :/
[22:51] <dobey> rdh: google haven't released the drivers for those phones, so there isn't even cyanogenmod on them yet
[22:52] <rdh> dobey, :(, ill get one anyways. lol


[22:40] <Planewalker_Alph> I keep getting an error that says no route to host.
[22:41] <hansg01> ActionParnship: yes exactly that is what i am asking
[22:41] <Ellipsis753> LasersFarm, I'm using a desktop computer, I've got a very nice widescreen, however all that wideness goes to waste 90% of the time, I'm looking for ways to improve my usage of it.
[22:41] <hansg01> ActionParnship: but where to mention the directory
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> hansg01: the command I gave (ran as the user whom needs ownership and is in the admin group) will make $USER the owner
[22:41] <Ellipsis753> Firefox websites are often a column in the middle of my screen
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> hansg01: $HOME    is the directory. I assumed you'd have the data in $HOME
[22:42] <LasersFarm> Ellipsis753: Great. It's easier on computer than laptop because of compact keyboard. You can have three columns, or three rows, or 9 windows, or not. You'll see what I mean when you install it and give it a whirl.
[22:42] <lockyy> Hey, I just installed ubuntu for the first time, 11.04. I was just wondering if this was an appropriate place to ask questions regarding a few things.
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> Ellipsis753: does it happen in all browsers?
[22:42] <hansg01> and in $user i hv to write the username?
[22:43] <ActionParsnip> lockyy: yes, ask away
[22:43] <ActionParsnip> hansg01: if you run the command EXACTLY as I gave it then it will be fine
[22:43] <hansg01> ActionParnship: ok
[22:44] <lockyy> Thanks. I was just wondering if it was possible to make the centre one of my 3 virtual desktops the default one that appears when I log on.
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> hansg01: the variables given abstract things nicely, saves having to know the sername or the path of home ;)
[22:44] <lockyy> As opposed to the leftmost one being the default.
[22:44] <BarkingFish> Hi guys - Do we still have any support for OSS sound?
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> lockyy: there may be a command you can have run at login
[22:45] <Gentoo64> BarkingFish, only alsa-oss i think
[22:45] <BarkingFish> I'm trying to use a program called Transcriber, which I pulled from our pools, and it seems to want to output sound via /dev/sound/dsp
[22:45] <Gentoo64> BarkingFish, try the alsa-oss
[22:45] <hansg01> ActionParnship: it gave me the error chown: missing operand after `hans:USER'
[22:45] <BarkingFish> ok, that's a package right, Gentoo64?
[22:45] <lockyy> I'm really quite clueless, would you be able to point me in the right direction for a command that would work?
[22:46] <ActionParsnip> hansg01: the command is:   sudo chown $USER:$USER $HOME
[22:46] <crazytop> hi everyone
[22:46] <Gentoo64> BarkingFish, yes. ive never used it though but i hear it works
[22:46] <hansg01> ActionParnship: ok
[22:46] <ActionParsnip> sorry:  sudo chown -R $USER:$USER $HOME
[22:46] <jrib> ActionParsnip: better and shorter to use shortcut: chown -R $USER: $HOME
[22:46] <ActionParsnip> hansg01: you'll see an error about /home/$USER/.gvfs   this is ok
[22:46] <crazytop> sameone here can chat with me
[22:47] <BarkingFish> ok, anything is worth a shot right now, Gentoo64 - I have a one hour video interview to transcribe, and if I can get this to work, it'll speed stuff up no end.
[22:47] <crazytop> im ar new user user od ubuntu
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> jrib: I like to set the group too ;)
[22:47] <jrib> ActionParsnip: yes, it sets the group
[22:47] <Gentoo64> BarkingFish, well i hope it works for you
[22:47] <crazytop> action
[22:47] <crazytop> cool?
[22:47] <hansg01> ActionParsnip: chown: missing operand after `hans:hans'
[22:47] <BacKtraK> Gentoo64, i blacklisted npviewer.bin no longer pops up
[22:47] <DasEi> crazytop: support-question ?
[22:47] <BacKtraK> Buuut now
[22:47] <BarkingFish> I hope it does too, I don't fancy transcribing the whole thing manually.
[22:47] <BacKtraK>  1754 shawn     20   0  688m  96m  24m S   27  1.6   0:54.38 plugin-containe
[22:47] <Ellipsis753> OK, thanks LasersFarm, ActionParsnip I'm not sure, however I mostly use firefox and the other possibility for me would be chromium, both comply with standards largly so I think that they'd both do it. Correct me if I'm wrong. I guess I could go look for a firefox add-on to expand the pages out?
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> lockyy: there may be a command line to run for compiz, you could ask in #compiz too
[22:47] <BacKtraK> pops up
[22:47] <jrib> ActionParsnip: and actually sets to the login group which isn't necessarily same as username (though it is by default on ubuntu) ;)
[22:48] <ActionParsnip> Ellipsis753: worth trying, it's free ;)
[22:48] <Gentoo64> BacKtraK, did you try reinstalling flash?
[22:48] <Ellipsis753> ^^
[22:48] <BacKtraK> yup
[22:48] <BacKtraK> uninstalled reinstalled flash
[22:48] <ActionParsnip> BacKtraK: what is the output of:  lsb_release -sc    please
[22:48] <lockyy> Thanks ActionParsnip.
[22:49] <BacKtraK> Usage: lsb_release [options]
[22:49] <BacKtraK> lsb_release: error: No arguments are permitted
[22:49] <ActionParsnip> BacKtraK: ok try:  sudo apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/lsb-release
[22:49] <DasEi> BacKtraK: lsb_release -a
[22:49] <BacKtraK> just so u know im on 10.4
[22:49] <BacKtraK> :p
[22:49] <ActionParsnip> BacKtraK: itwill install pastebinit (really handy app) then pastebin the file
[22:49] <BacKtraK> not 11.04
[22:49] <ActionParsnip> BacKtraK: can you run the command please.
[22:50] <hansg01> ActionParsnip: i ran sudo chown $USER:$USER $HOME
[22:50] <ActionParsnip> hansg01: any output?
[22:50] <LasersFarm> Ellipsis753: What is that you're trying to accomplish? You can use multiple Chromium windows. (or Firefox).
[22:50] <hansg01> ActionParsnip: no error as such but no output
[22:50] <LasersFarm> Somebody forget -R or -r ?
[22:50] <BacKtraK> 1 sec action
[22:50] <ActionParsnip> BacKtraK: thanks :)
[22:50] <DasEi> hansg01: mind the -R option
[22:50] <ActionParsnip> hansg01: sudo chown -R $USER:$USER $HOME
[22:50] <ActionParsnip> works here
[22:51] <DasEi> :)
[22:51] <BacKtraK> action i di lsb_release -a like that guy said
[22:51] <hansg01> ActionParsnip: now i ran sudo chown -R $USER:$USER $HOME
[22:51] <BacKtraK> says
[22:51] <BacKtraK> No LSB modules are available.
[22:51] <BacKtraK> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[22:51] <BacKtraK> Description:	Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS
[22:51] <BacKtraK> Release:	10.04
[22:51] <BacKtraK> Codename:	lucid
[22:51] <FloodBot1> BacKtraK: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:51] <hansg01> ActionParsnip: chown: cannot access `/home/hans/.gvfs': Permission denied
[22:51] <BacKtraK>
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> BacKtraK: good eough, the command would have pastebinned the text for you rather than spamming the channel ;)
[22:51] <BacKtraK> I know :P
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> hansg01: that's fine, anything else?
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> BacKtraK: so why not use it, spamming the channel isn't great
[22:52] <hansg01> ActionParsnip: thank you thats all for now :)
[22:52] <BacKtraK> because im installing updates
[22:52] <BacKtraK> so
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> BacKtraK: ahh I see
[22:52] <BacKtraK> i woulda had to wait and i kinda wanna get this shorta out
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> hansg01: ok, are the files ok now ?
[22:53] <hansg01> ActionParsnip: yup
[22:53] <BacKtraK> the prob was npviewer.bin couldnt get rid of up.. so i blacklisted it
[22:53] <ActionParsnip> BacKtraK: ok and the output of:  uname -a
[22:53] <ActionParsnip> hansg01: you learned something now ;)
[22:53] <BacKtraK> Linux shawn-laptop 2.6.32-33-generic #70-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jul 7 21:13:52 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[22:54] <ActionParsnip> BacKtraK: great, can you use http://pastie.org   to give the output of:  dpkg -l | egrep 'flash|gnash|swf'
[22:54] <hansg01> ActionParsnip: yeah and i can go on with my work without using nautilus thanks again :)
[22:54] <BacKtraK> no suck file
[22:54] <BacKtraK> such*
[22:54] <BacKtraK> lol
[22:54] <BacKtraK> er
[22:54] <BacKtraK> 1 sec
[22:54] <FloodBot1> BacKtraK: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:54] <BacKtraK> its beinf slow its still installing
[22:54] <ActionParsnip> BacKtraK: how did you install flash?
[22:55] <BacKtraK> it was auto installed then i uninstalled it an then used wget cmd
[22:55] <BacKtraK> and then etc
[22:55] <BacKtraK> well the load average is 3 2 1
[22:55] <BacKtraK> 3.22 2.07 1.08
[22:56] <ActionParsnip> BacKtraK: then run:  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:sevenmachines/flash; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install flashplugin64-nonfree
[22:56] <ActionParsnip> BacKtraK: will give 64bit flash for your 64bit OS
[22:57] <c0dex> anybody here that could help me out with a raid performance issue?
[22:57] <Kjekken> Requested position /size for CRT  148 is outside the allowed limit: position=(1920,0) size(1680,1050), maximum(3280,1920)
[22:57] <Kjekken> can only have like half my resolution on my 2. monitor
[22:57] <Kjekken> ........
[22:57] <lgagaz> if i want an external for storing lots of video files should i format it ntfs of ext4/3?
[22:58] <escott_> c0dex, you might want to be specific about what kind of raid. mdadm, or dmraid with what hardware
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> lgagaz: is itgoing to be used in Windows too?
[22:58] <BacKtraK> action it says it couldnt find the packag
[22:58] <BacKtraK> package
[22:58] <lgagaz> ActionParsnip no
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> BacKtraK: did the PPA add ok
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> lgagaz: then ext3 or ext4
[22:58] <escott_> lgagaz, linux cannot fsck an ntfs drive so you shouldn't use that unless you have a windows system to check it with
[22:58] <BacKtraK> yes
[22:58] <Ellipsis753> laserFarm, nothing really that I'm trying to accomplish, other than make better use of my screen space. It was suggested that I somehow get websites not to just be a column in the middle of the page.
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> lgagaz: if it's flash based, then use ext2
[22:58] <c0dex> @escott: i am using mdadm right now. using the gui to create a raid 0 using 2x pyro SSD's (sata III/6Gb/s). if i benchmark one drive by itself or the raid 0, the speeds come out  to the same thing
[22:59] <c0dex> i was wondering if there is something that i'm missing as i should be getting closer to double the read/write speed
[22:59] <c0dex> at least, that was my assumption on the issue
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> BacKtraK: cd; wget https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash/+files/flashplugin64-installer_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu0~sevenmachines2_amd64.deb; sudo dpkg -i ./flashplugin64-installer_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu0~sevenmachines2_amd64.deb; rm ./flashplugin64-installer_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu0~sevenmachines2_amd64.deb
[23:00] <Ellipsis753> just out of interest, what's KP5? Apparently the keyboard shorcut is ctl+atl+kp5.
[23:00] <BacKtraK> lol now it says
[23:00] <Nisstyre> I would tend to disagree with that viewpoint
[23:00] <BacKtraK> the flash plugin not installed?
[23:01] <capeta> why nginx don't recognize my php.ini configurations? I already check the file used with phpinfo() and it says /etc/php5/cgi/php.ini
[23:01] <c0dex> i am using 2x of these drives : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220602
[23:01] <Ellipsis753> ah, keypad 5
[23:01] <ActionParsnip> BacKtraK: if you use 64bit flash you dn't need npviewer
[23:02] <BacKtraK> I know but it just said no flash plugin installed
[23:02] <BacKtraK> when i did the deb cmd
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> BacKtraK: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/install-64bit-flash-from-a-ppa-or-deb/
[23:03] <Ellipsis753> LasersFarm, Thank you, grid is great.
[23:04] <LasersFarm> Ellipsis753: No problem. You see how it work when you press it one or two more time? It change the size of the width.
[23:04] <BacKtraK> ActionParsnip,  i just did what u told me to do
[23:04] <BacKtraK> did it
[23:04] <ActionParsnip> BacKtraK: all ok now?
[23:04] <BacKtraK> an then this is the one that causing the probs now..
[23:04] <Ellipsis753> Yes, I just noticed that, it's very cool.
[23:04] <BacKtraK> 21901 shawn     20   0  645m  64m  24m S   20  1.1   0:05.75 plugin-containe
[23:04] <grunt1369> Running Ubuntu 11.04... Installed WebGUI through package manager... What is the next step? Can't seem to get it up.
[23:04] <LasersFarm> Ellipsis753: Good! :)
[23:04] <BacKtraK> when or if i play a vid from firefox..
[23:04] <Ellipsis753> LasersFarm, What are the "indicators?"
[23:04] <ActionParsnip> BacKtraK: kill - 9 21901     to kill it off
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> grunt1369: what package did you install to get 'webgui'?
[23:05] <BacKtraK> anbash: kill: : invalid signal specification
[23:05] <eugo> How do I test the exit code of a program in a shell script?
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> BacKtraK: killoff the process basically
[23:05] <LasersFarm> Ellipsis753: Related to compiz or a different question? Indicators are a panel icon that bumps all notifcations/indicators in one place.
[23:06] <Chat7491> hi
[23:06] <grunt1369> Synaptic Package Manager (ver 7.7???)
[23:06] <BacKtraK> i try to kill it
[23:06] <BacKtraK> and it says no proc found
[23:06] <Ellipsis753> LasersFarm, Sorry, in the grid, there's something called indicators, they are orange coloured. I've no idea what they are.
[23:07] <grunt1369> Is anyone running webgui?
[23:07] <LasersFarm> Ellipsis753: Make a screenshot. I'm not on linux. I'm at a friend's farm.
[23:07] <ActionParsnip> BacKtraK: kill it some other way
[23:08] <ActionParsnip> grunt1369: I see it now
[23:09] <ActionParsnip> grunt1369: I'd try http://localhost:8080
[23:10] <henkye> hello, have problems with samba, share created through nautilus-share,guest access,read only    i experience very short breaks in connection
[23:10] <henkye> if im right, i experience it from 10.0 to 11.04 (now)
[23:10] <henkye> today, had to copy 14GB three times
[23:11] <LasersFarm> henkye: That's why we use rsync. ;)
[23:11] <LexicalGap> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsFCSvqsqFA&NR=1
[23:12] <henkye> is rsync in windows ?   if yes, still prefer using native ...
[23:12] <LasersFarm> !paste | Ellipsis753
[23:13] <LasersFarm> Ellipsis753: Use imagebin.org
[23:13] <LasersFarm> Ellipsis753: And I'm using web-based IRC. :3
[23:13] <henkye> anyone able to point me right direction ? .-)
[23:14] <Ellipsis753> LasersFarm, Oops, sorry,  http://imagebin.org/176789
[23:14] <henkye> investigate
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> henkye: http://www.itefix.no/i2/node/10650
[23:15] <LasersFarm> Ellipsis753: Oh it's just a line. Before you let go of the keypad.
[23:15] <Ellipsis753> ok thank you
[23:15] <FloodBot1> !netsplit
[23:15] <LasersFarm> Ellipsis753: If you toggle it off, you shouldn't be able to see which change you might want. YOu can tgest it.
[23:16] <lgagaz> is there a command like shred but that can do directories too?
[23:16] <henkye> ActionParsnip: ok, sad samba don't work
[23:16] <LasersFarm> lgagaz: Have you checked with "man shred" or "shred --help" -- It's weird if they don't do directories... o.O
[23:16] <ActionParsnip> henkye: never had an issue for it
[23:17] <henkye> ActionParsnip: lucky u
[23:18] <gr33n7007h> What does this command actually do -- dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda1 ??
[23:18] <ActionParsnip> henkye: install samba, restore config file, restart service, make samba user, done
[23:18] <LasersFarm> gr33n7007h: DON'T DO IT.
[23:18] <gr33n7007h> why?
[23:19] <ActionParsnip> gr33n7007h: puts random data on the first partition on /dev/sda from start to end. Destroying ALL data
[23:19] <LasersFarm> gr33n7007h: It write over your hard drive with random characters.
[23:19] <gr33n7007h> its for a usb drive
[23:19] <ActionParsnip> LasersFarm: just the one partition ;)
[23:19] <curiousx> gr33n7007h: write random characteres on disk sda1
[23:19] <zoned> can anyone help me find my apache error log? i looked in /var/log/apache2/error.log, but that doesn't seem to be getting updated (so i wonder if theres another one? because im definitely getting an error and i can't find the log)
[23:20] <LasersFarm> ActionParsnip: sda1. Yeah. If he have to ask, it does not matter. ;3
[23:20] <x1_> !help
[23:20] <curiousx> like LasersFarm wrote you dont do it
[23:20] <cperrin88> Hey
[23:20] <LasersFarm> Hey!
[23:20] <gr33n7007h> ok thanks
[23:20] <henkye> ActionParsnip: thx, ill check it out    gn .-)
[23:20] <cperrin88> I have a pretty strange problem with sudo. I don't need to enter a password
[23:20] <LasersFarm> gr33n7007h: sda1 is probably not your USB...?
[23:21] <gr33n7007h> no sorry sdb1
[23:21] <LasersFarm> gr33n7007h: Use "sudo fdisk -l" to make sure.
[23:21] <LGB> i want to automount my harddisk (the one i use to store my data) when the system boots up. I have set the option of rw. The disk is mounted fine but I am not able to write to it. I have to use sudo to do any writing. What could be the problem?
[23:21] <cperrin88> Has anyone ever had the problem the he did not need to enter a password do sudo?
[23:21] <LasersFarm> gr33n7007h: You can use "sdb" if you intend to randomize your usb.
[23:22] <Ellipsis753> LasersFarm, Thank you.
[23:22] <LasersFarm> Ellipsis753: You're welcome!
[23:22] <gr33n7007h> /dev/sdb1   *           1<PHONE_NUMBER>    b  W95 FAT32
[23:22] <zoned> can anyone help me find my apache error log? i looked in /var/log/apache2/error.log, but that doesn't seem to be getting updated (so i wonder if theres another one? because im definitely getting an error and i can't find the log)
[23:22] <ActionParsnip> cperrin88: sudo has a grace period where you don't need to enter it for a while
[23:22] <cperrin88> ActionParsnip: I know but I don't need to enter it ever
[23:23] <LasersFarm> cperrin88: "sudo -k" -- Now, try it again.
[23:23] <LasersFarm> cperrin88: The grace period is... 15 minutes, I think.
[23:23] <ActionParsnip> cperrin88: what is the outputof;  whoami
[23:23] <LGB> LasersFarm: Grace period depends, for me it's surely less than 3-4 minutes
[23:23] <cperrin88> LasersFarm: sudo -k did it
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> cperrin88: coolio :)
[23:24] <LasersFarm> cperrin88: coolio :)
[23:24] <dhodgkin> zoned, how do you have apache setup?
[23:25] <LGB> Setting the rw option in /etc/fstab should ensure that the filesystem mounted would be writable, right? In my case, I am not able to write anything to the filesystem being a normal user. I have to use sudo. What could be the problem?
[23:25] <cperrin88> LasersFarm: I was just a bit confused since I always had to reenter my pw after I connected via ssh and now I didn't
[23:25] <LasersFarm> LGB: Ownership? "ls -al" in the directory. What does it say?
[23:26] <zoned> dhodgkin, /etc/apache2/apache2.conf states ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/error.log .... so i checked the envvars and it says the log dir is /var/log/apache2/ .... but the error.log isn't updating! it hasn't been updated in 5 days... idk where else to check? but i'm getting a 500 error on one of my pages, can't figure out why without the log...
[23:26] <LasersFarm> cperrin88: Grace period, mostly likely.
[23:26] <LGB> LasersFarm: it says root
[23:26] <lgagaz> LasersFarm it says shred doesn't work with directories
[23:26] <LasersFarm> LGB: What directory? Also, "echo $USER" -- You need to use chown
[23:27] <LasersFarm> lgagaz: I can't check that for you. I'm at a friend's farm. No "recursive" in the manual?  -R or -r -- Usually.
[23:27] <dhodgkin> zoned, do you have any vhosts setup?
[23:28] <LGB> LasersFarm: I have mounted the hard disk in /media/disk. echo $USER is giving my username
[23:28] <ahhughes> yo, a usb dongle support > 1 devices connected concurrently right?
[23:28] <LasersFarm> LGB: Right. "sudo chown -R $USER:$USER /media/disk/whatever-itis"
[23:28] <lgagaz> LasersFarm http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl1_shred.htm :((
[23:28] <zoned> dhodgkin, i don't think so.. i've only been working on this server for like an hour, so i really don't know much about it.
[23:29] <zoned> don't see a vhosts.conf file
[23:29] <LGB> LasersFarm: I want the entire /media/disk to be under my ownership. So what you said would do the trick the next time my system mounts the hard disk on boot time?
[23:29] <dhodgkin> look in /etc/apache2/sites-available/
[23:30] <dhodgkin> zoned, mind if I /msg you?
[23:30] <grojas> hello there, how do i check what version of driver is used for my wifi card?
[23:30] <zoned> no, please no
[23:30] <zoned> please do**** lol
[23:30] <zoned> dhodgkin, ^
[23:30] <dhodgkin> ? lol
[23:30] <LasersFarm> LGB: The hard drive is owned by root. That's why you have to use 'sudo' repeatedly. Change the ownership to your user and it'll work fine /forever/
[23:31] <grojas> hello there, how do i check what version of driver is used for my wifi card?
[23:31] <dhodgkin> zoned, that confused me, DO msg you? lol
[23:31] <zoned> dhodgkin, pmed you
[23:32] <LasersFarm> lgagaz: Try Google. I have to leave shortly. shred isn't the only option. Just saying. The internet here is too slow for me to google on your behalf. :(
[23:32] <LasersFarm> LGB: "sudo chown -R $USER:$USER /media/disk/(use tabs to autocomplete)"
[23:32] <LGB> LasersFarm: It should work. But when trying to change the ownership, it is giving the output "Operation not permitted" for all the files under /media/disk. And "ls -al" still shows all the files to be owned by root
[23:32] <rmk> Does Ubuntu disable the ability to multicast by default?
[23:33] <LasersFarm> LGB: /meda/disk/(your hard drive's UUID, usually)
[23:34] <LasersFarm> LGB: I have to leave. Heading back to town. Somebody here know chmod. Very common. :)
[23:34] <LGB> LasersFarm: Thanks for all the help!
[23:34] <LasersFarm> LGB: Wait. chown, I mean.  Not chmod. ^_^
[23:34] <LasersFarm> LGB: Welcome!
[23:35] <phy1729> I'm running ls on a folder on a DVD I found and all ls prints is 508. What does that mean?
[23:37] <TheEvilPhoenix> phy1729:  that there's only one file or folder in the folder, called "508"?
[23:38] <lgagaz> is there a command like shred but that can do directories too?
[23:39] <phy1729> TheEvilPhoenix: no because it's ls -aehlFWO
[23:39] <rmk> Does Ubuntu disable the ability to multicast by default?
[23:39] <mephist0> hi there.  someone know how to use keyboard as mouse? tryed <shift><cntrl><num lock> and no luck. Im looking for some generic linux solution. Is there config files?
[23:40] <magpii> is there an app i can use for ubuntu that allows me to turn fans on and off?
[23:40] <phy1729> So I'd assume it'd output more if it were a file named 508
[23:43] <mephist0> im that poor i dont have mouse
[23:47] <eaglestar> hi i have a question i need to install 11.04 ubuntu on an old laptop with 80gb hard drive how much would i need for / and how much for /home?  i want to be able to upgrade later without reformatting /home
[23:47] <dr_willis> mephist0:  it has the feature. no idea hiw to turn it on. ;)
[23:48] <escott_> eaglestar, 10gb is probably enough for / but it depends on what you plan to install
[23:49] <dr_willis> what is that service that can auto block an ip thats trying to ssh in after so many failures. some bozo has tried 3000 times on me. ;)
[23:49] <eaglestar> escott just the basics for it to run properly.  I want to be able to upgrade later without having to backup /home to an external
[23:50] <eaglestar> so i could have like 10 for / 68 for /home and 2 for swap escott_?
[23:50] <escott_> eaglestar, my entire system (including home and no music or media files is 12gb)
[23:51] <eaglestar> ok cool
[23:51] <eaglestar> anyone else can help answer question? i would like 2 opinions if possible
[23:51] <eaglestar> what is maximum space needed for / for 11.04
[23:51] <mephist0> eaglestar 10GB is ok. 2GB swap ok.
[23:51] <eaglestar> thank you escott_
[23:51] <eaglestar> ok thank you mephist0
[23:52] <eaglestar> if anyone here is from ubuntu development team i had a big problem with the 11.04 torrent
[23:52] <dr_willis> minimum space 10 gb or so
[23:52] <eaglestar> it would never load correctly so i had to redownload from the main ubuntu server
[23:53] <mephist0> dr_willis: thanks, will stress google for an answer
[23:53] <sdcnlab> hi guys when i use synaptic package manager i get this error
[23:53] <sdcnlab> hi guys when i use
[23:53] <sdcnlab> Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_assistant_set_page_header_image: assertion `child != NULL' failed at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Gnome.pm line 27, <> line 1.
[23:53] <Edisto> anyone know a good system monitor widget?
[23:53] <eaglestar> dr_willis: and mephist0 can you please advise me i want to be able to upgrade easily next time when a new edition comes, will i be able to just overwrite my / and keep my /home folder? it is for a friends old laptop that can't handle windows 7
[23:54] <dr_willis> make a /home partition eaglestar
[23:54] <SIFTU> eaglestar: to play it safe for upgrades you should consider LVM
[23:54] <conntrack-> You're in one
[23:54] <eaglestar> ok thank you
[23:54] <Abnormal> is ther a way to make 11.04 stop making you install a web browser from repos/.
[23:54] <Abnormal> ?
[23:55] <eaglestar> for some reason i am having trouble installing off of the usb as well let me see on reboot
[23:55] <SIFTU> eaglestar: that way you can just expand the partitions when you get more spave
[23:55] <AndIrc__> anyone got the 1892 realtek su wireless adaptor to work in ubuntu
[23:55] <eaglestar> yes i see thank you for that, how do i load that on install?
[23:55] <Barridus> is there a drive mapping utility to find out what folders are using the most space in a folder tree??
[23:56] <SIFTU> Barridus: filelight or there is a niuce ncurses based one called ncdu
[23:56] <escott_> Barridus, there is du, but there is also the disk-usage-analyzer that makes a pretty interactive graph
[23:56] <SIFTU> eaglestar: you probably need the alternative cd installer
[23:56] <sdcnlab> anything?
[23:56] <eaglestar> can i load that on a usb?
[23:56] <Barridus> cool SIFTU, escott, i'll give em a shot
[23:57] <AndIrc__> what forum do we go to discuss tablet computers???
[23:59] <AndIrc__> sorry tablet to access irc first time.


[00:00] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14691689/
[00:01] <smoser> but wily shows:
[00:01] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14691702/
[00:02] <smoser> the key difference there is that its the 'standard^' seed that is getting irqbalance, not the tasksel 'Basic Ubuntu Server' or 'server'
[00:02] <smoser> nuclearbob, ^
[00:02] <smoser> i've not been successful getting it to dtrt
[00:02] <smoser> and i have to go
[00:08] <doko> pitti, the visp autopkg test are run against the release version of libzbar-dev and therefore fail. that doesn't sound correct
[00:11] <nuclearbob> smoser: dang
[00:44] <roaksoax-brb> pitti: howdy! I have a quick question. I have a debian/rules file with dh-systemd, where I'm passing: dh_systemd_enable, dh_installinit --no-start, dh_systemd_start --no-start , however, I see this in debian/rules: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14691933/, which is starting the service... is there a bug that you know of or am I doing something wrong?
[00:44] <roaksoax-brb> I see the pb in the .postinst*
[01:11] <smoser> cyphermox, i've filed bug 1539329
[01:12] <smoser> I'd appreciate your time to at least triage it to the right package
[01:15] <teward> who's the apport hooks expert?
[01:15] <teward> i keep forgetting who it is, but I could use some help debugging things
[01:17] <smoser> i'm sure that pitti knows some things about it, teward but i'm not sure if he's who you've worked with before.
[01:18] <sarnold> he's probably also a few more hours before he returns..
[01:19] <teward> i'll be asleep by then, it'll be a case where I'll have to intercept pitti then, because apport errored out on one Xenial bug
[01:19] <teward> and I mean errored out at the generic apport hooks
[01:19] <teward> didn't even get to nginx's hooks heh
[01:19] <teward> i think it was pitti who helped previously, too
[01:20] <teward> i'll just show up tomorrow morning and see if pitti's around, and see if they can help debug the issue i'm seeing in Xenial where it's not triggering the apport hooks in the package.
[01:20] <teward> thanks
[07:24] <pitti> doko: visp> for which package? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#zbar is meant to run against the released visp, for isolating -proposed packages against each other
[07:24] <pitti> doko: and http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#visp ran against the proposed version
[07:24] <pitti> doko: I can run zbar against the -proposed visp if that helps
[07:26] <pitti> roaksoax-brb: can you show me debian/rules for that? --no-start should indeed not do that
[07:26] <pitti> roaksoax-brb: I have a hunch what's wrong (we had a similar error in libvirt)
[07:27] <pitti> teward: it's more useful if you just directly ask what's wrong, avoids another day of roundtrip :)
[07:27] <pitti> teward: what's the particular error that you see?
[07:33] <doko> pitti, no, still run against 0.10+doc-10build2
[07:35] <pitti> Get:335 http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu xenial-proposed/universe amd64 libvisp-ar3.0 amd64 3.0.0-2build1 [29.7 kB]
[07:35] <doko> this visp pkgconfig file is crazy, recording the absolute library name
[07:35] <pitti> doko: in e. g<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I see the -proposed version both for the source and the binaries ??
[07:36] <pitti> oh, you do mean against zbar
[07:36] <pitti> yes, it's mean to run against the released visp
[07:36] <pitti> or -proposed visp against released zbar
[07:36] <pitti> (as there are no dependencies which would force it otherwise
[07:36] <doko> but for the test to succeed it must run against the one in -proposed: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zbar/0.10+doc-10ubuntu1
[07:37] <pitti> if they need to go in together, I can run them with both packages from -proposed
[07:37] <pitti> doko: ok, I started that
[07:37] <pitti> this is a case of "dependencies are not strict enough" (but meh)
[07:37] <doko> ta
[07:38] <doko> well, would a break in zbar help?
[07:39] <pitti> yes, that will do too
[07:39] <pitti> doko: not that we care much about partial upgrades, it just causes hitches like that with testing -proposde bits in isolation
[07:39] <pitti> doko: so I guess let's not worry too much for now -- this test run should succeed, and then all is good
[07:39] <doko> ok
[07:40]  * pitti toddles off to Brussels to the systemd hackfest, bbl
[07:40] <doko> me too
[07:40] <doko> just to Brussels
[08:20] <dholbach> good morning
[08:24] <seb128> doko, hey, do you plan to mp your multiarch changes to the proper vcs?
[08:25] <doko> seb128, have a wonderful morning. did you really check before starting with general complaints?
[08:26] <seb128> doko, shrug, it seems you pushed your update to the vcs but without using the vcs, e.g there was unreleased changes and you didn't include them in the release...
[08:26] <seb128> speaking about nautilus
[08:27] <doko> and for others I had to check in your very own non-checked in changes
[08:28] <doko> and please address your dep-waits for main
[08:28] <seb128> is there a page listing those?
[08:28] <seb128> dep-wait doesn't trigger any email afaik
[08:28] <doko> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ isn't that new
[08:29] <seb128> that's not only depwait
[08:29] <seb128> and there is no filter for "your own packages"
[09:05] <mpt> xnox, since you fixed the bug, I assume “I disagree” meant “I agree”. If so, yay. \o/
[10:02] <caribou> pitti: thanks! any reason why the ganeti tests are all failing ?
[10:02] <pitti> caribou: they are overridden; I don't remember what's broken with them, but not related to lvm
[10:02] <caribou> pitti: thought so, just wanted to confirm
[10:02] <pitti> caribou: oh, it migrated, good
[10:03] <caribou> pitti: next time I won't wait so long before asking
[10:27] <infinity> Laney: Is it possible that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1521302 is gnome-terminal's fault, not unity?
[10:33] <LocutusOfBorg> hi folks, can anybody pretty please
[10:34] <LocutusOfBorg> "syncpackage libnatpmp --force"
[10:34] <LocutusOfBorg> it is in main
[10:34] <LocutusOfBorg> mapreri, ^^^
[10:35] <jemadux> in ubuntu devel , nautilus has both buttons on global bar and his own window ?
[10:35] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: Will do.
[10:35] <LocutusOfBorg> <3 infinity
[10:35] <LocutusOfBorg> please give also mapreri the -s switch
[10:35] <LocutusOfBorg> he asked me to do it
[10:36] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: Oh.  Too late.
[10:36] <LocutusOfBorg> no problem :)
[10:36] <LocutusOfBorg> Laney, I'm gonna sync herwig++ soon I think
[10:39] <LocutusOfBorg> same for gjay
[10:44] <LocutusOfBorg> mapreri, for marble I already did the change in ubuntu a few days ago
[10:45] <LocutusOfBorg> everything is syncd, thanks for merging the ubuntu work in debian
[10:46] <Saviq> popey, hey, so I've been trying to restart http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/xenial/update_excuses.html#mir but it says I can't upload, so I can't "use this service", what badges would I need to earn to be able to use this?
[10:46] <Saviq> OTOH this looks like a real fail :/
[10:47] <popey> I have no idea.
[10:47] <popey> dholbach, ^ any idea?
[10:47] <popey> looks like a motu thing
[10:48] <LocutusOfBorg> You submitted an invalid request: You are not allowed to upload qtmir or mir to Ubuntu, thus you are not allowed to use this service.
[10:48] <LocutusOfBorg> nope, I'm MOTU and I couldn't do it
[10:48] <LocutusOfBorg> core-dev can I think
[10:48] <Saviq> sounds like it
[10:49] <LocutusOfBorg> mir is in main, I guess only core-devs can retry builds
[10:49] <Saviq> popey, on another note, those regressions are there for a version of qtmir previous to what just got uploaded to proposed from the same silo along with the mir that triggered them...
[10:49]  * Saviq not sure where the chicken'n'egg thing broke
[10:49] <LocutusOfBorg> so you need somebody that retries the testsuite against the proposed version?
[10:51] <Saviq> yeah, well, I'd have expected that to happen automagically
[10:52] <LocutusOfBorg> nope, but did I already bothered infinity today? ^^^ :)
[10:54] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: Literally anyone with upload rights for the package.
[10:54] <infinity> Saviq: ^
[10:55] <LocutusOfBorg> :D
[10:55] <Saviq> right, but what does that actually mean :)
[10:55] <infinity> It means exactly what I typed?
[10:55] <infinity> People who can upload the package to Ubuntu.
[10:55] <infinity> Note that "using a silo as a backdoor" doesn't count.
[10:56] <Saviq> ok, so not me, will have to work on that
[10:56] <Saviq> infinity, can I ask for the qtmir{,-gles} regressions triggered by mir be restarted for the qtmir{,-gles} versions that are there in proposed, please?
[10:56] <infinity> Anyhow, retried them all for you.
[10:56] <Saviq> oh thanks
[10:57] <infinity> Oh.  You want them as a set?  That's more complicated.
[10:57] <infinity> britney intentionally doesn't do that by default.
[10:58] <infinity> Saviq: Do you have appropriate Breaks in place to note that the new mir doesn't work with old qtmir?
[10:59] <Saviq> infinity, no, only Build-Depends
[10:59] <Saviq> infinity, and well, for binaries, whatever dpkg finds
[10:59] <infinity> Saviq: So, binary upgrades *could* be partial, and britney's test is entirely valid by saying "you let me install these two together, and they don't work".
[11:01] <infinity> Although, that failure doesn't look binary related at all, it's source..
[11:01] <Saviq> infinity, I think this behaviour change and our dummy "does qtmir build still" autopkgtest makes no sense now
[11:01] <Saviq> it's very likely we're doing something wrong there
[11:02] <infinity> Saviq: A "does it build" autopkgtest never makes sense, really, unless you're testing a toolchain, or that's literally the only way you can run a testsuite.
[11:02] <infinity> Saviq: Given that you just built it, you're testing that it still builds a few hours later.
[11:03] <Saviq> infinity, well, the point was that if a dependency of qtmir is going into proposed, we'd know if it broke its build
[11:03] <infinity> Saviq: However, this also highlights that your build-deps are probably wrong.
[11:03] <infinity> Saviq: If they need to be versioned and aren't, we can't read your mind.
[11:03] <Saviq> infinity, well, yeah, they are versioned, but with >=, not ==
[11:03] <infinity> Saviq: Oh, indeed.  It's the old source failing.  Derp.
[11:04] <infinity> Saviq: Sorry, brain not entirely on.
[11:04] <Saviq> yeah I was thinking you shouldn't be here yet
[11:04] <infinity> Saviq: Anyhow, autopkgtest is meant to be a test of binaries, not source.  We do rebuild tests and the like for source regressions.
[11:04]  * popey tucks infinity back into bed
[11:05] <infinity> Saviq: Obviously, we do source tests for compilers and such, cause how else do you test a compiler, but if every package in the archive tested rebuilding itself anytime a dep was uploaded, we'd be setting a lot more computers on fire.
[11:06] <Saviq> infinity, agreed, we'll be dropping that test from there soon, then
[11:08] <Saviq> infinity, so here's a related question - for unity8's autopkgtest we need some mocks that have no use anywhere else, we've been building those (and the test binaries themselves) during autopkgtest, should we package all those up instead after all?
[11:09] <Saviq> that felt like a waste of archive to some extent
[11:10] <infinity> Saviq: Nothing wrong with packaging them up in mir-tests or something and making your tests pull them in.
[11:12] <Saviq> infinity, ack, thanks
[11:13] <infinity> Or unity8-tests or whatever.  I can't read. ;)
[11:39] <cjwatson> pitti<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- not the friendliest response to this from haddock, but is HOME meant to be entirely unset here?
[11:42] <cjwatson> pitti: (I think this has started failing in Debian too, not obviously related to any change in the packages under test that I can see)
[11:48] <jamespage> pitti, hey - just hit a problem with lvm2 upgrades: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539546
[11:49] <jamespage> pitti, the systemd package is masking that job - when the lvm2 maintainer script tries to update-rc.d, it throws that problem
[11:49] <jamespage> any ideas? correct that its masked? do we need to tweak lvm2 to not require that to be enabled....
[11:59] <infinity> cjwatson: I think a postinst wanting HOME is a bit sketchy.  But I guess if it's readonly to pick up a user prefs file or something, the fault lies in not catching it.
[12:00] <infinity> cjwatson: Unless POSIX says HOME must always be set, but I'm betting it doesn't.
[13:15] <pitti> jamespage: hey
[13:15] <pitti> jamespage: this looks like fallout from the update-rc.d breakage
[13:15] <pitti> jamespage: it should have been fixed by yesterday morning's init-system-helpers
[13:16] <pitti> cjwatson: tests set $HOME, but this is the apt-get install
[13:16] <pitti> cjwatson: what would $HOME be there, /root?
[13:16] <infinity> pitti: Usually, yeah.
[13:17] <pitti> cjwatson: first time someone reported that; if that's legitimate (I think it's not), I can set it to /tmp or /root or so
[13:17] <ricotz> rharper, hi, fyi, libnl3 3.2.21-1ubuntu1 breaks network-manager causing it to crash
[13:17] <infinity> But I don't think apt or dpkg should rely on being run in a login session, which implies postinsts shouldn't, which implies that anything run in a postinst shouldn't.
[13:17] <pitti> jamespage: the masking is correct, it was just insserv not seeing the /etc/rcS.d/S04mountdevsubfs.sh symlink
[13:21] <teward> pitti: are there any Xenial bugs against the general Ubuntu apport hooks at all?  Seeing a HookError failure on one of the bugs that landed on my radar, not sure whether it completely errored and that's why it didn't execute the package specific hooks, or whether something else is going on...
[13:21] <cjwatson> infinity,pitti: Yeah, possibly I should look at working around this in ghc-doc or something
[13:26] <infinity> cjwatson: Or haddock itself.  If it's trying to read a user prefs file (I'm assuming?), it must already have a test for if it exists, it probably just needs to wrap that in a test for HOME being set.
[13:33] <cjwatson> infinity: Yeah but I was hoping not to have to change the actual Haskell code :P
[13:35] <infinity>   -- getAppUserDataDirectory can fail (e.g. if $HOME isn't set)
[13:35] <infinity>   e_appdir <- tryIO $ getAppUserDataDirectory "ghc"
[13:36] <infinity> Looks like this is worked around in some places, but not all?
[13:37] <infinity> Or just worked around poorly.
[13:45] <Celphish> Elo! Just popped in to say that I'm really happy with how Ubuntu works on my work-laptop atm and I'm really impressed that it can handle everything I can throw at it without too much Hassle :)
[13:47] <Saviq> didrocks, hey, can you please add lukas-kde to ~ci-train-users? also, is it on purpose you still own that team?
[14:12] <roaksoax-brb> pitti: http://pastebin.com/iwr9xsNi
[14:14] <pitti> roaksoax-brb: yes, what I thought; in an override of dh_foo you must not call any dh_* commands other than dh_foo
[14:14] <pitti> roaksoax-brb: so your override_dh_install currently calls dh_systemd_start, and then the default debhelper dh_systemd_start runs without arguments
[14:14] <pitti> roaksoax-brb: so, move the dh_systemd* out of override_dh_install into override_dh_{enable,start}
[14:16] <roaksoax-brb> pitti: what about the requirement where dh_systemd_enable needs to go before dh_instaliinit, and override_dh_start after it ?
[14:17] <roaksoax-brb> pitti: or is that no longer the case, as in, i no longer need dh_installinit
[14:17] <cjwatson> Surely that's already handled by the default sequencing
[14:17] <cjwatson> insert_before("dh_installinit", "dh_systemd_enable");
[14:17] <cjwatson> insert_after("dh_installinit", "dh_systemd_start");
[14:17] <cjwatson> in /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Sequence/systemd.pm
[14:18] <roaksoax-brb> cjwatson: ah nice! ok cool! thanks!
[14:18] <roaksoax-brb> pitti: thank you!
[14:20] <pitti> roaksoax-brb: yw! it's a bit of a subtle trap indeed, two weeks ago I debugged that with hallyn on libvirt (and then it took considerably longer :) )
[14:21] <roaksoax-brb> hehe :)
[14:23] <caribou> is there someone from the backport team who could  help me with LP: #1494141
[14:23] <caribou> this has been fixed everywhere but for Trusty-backports
[14:33] <rharper> ricotz: hi; thanks;  saw a bug report as well; reproduced and looking at a fix right now;  I've updated the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnl3/+bug/1511735
[14:34] <ricotz> rharper, thanks, make sure it doesn't leave -proposed ;)
[14:34] <ricotz> aka "verification-done" is not a good idea yet
[14:34] <rharper> yep, updated the tag
[14:35] <rharper> the 6wind folks added that but don't have NM on their tests;
[15:07] <Saviq> infinity, hrm a simple re-run won't work then, will it? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#mir
[15:07] <kgunn> hey there, i was happily working with lxd/lxc sometime ago....and just yesterday had need to work with it again
[15:07] <kgunn> ran into this
[15:07] <kgunn> https://pastebin.canonical.com/148727/
[15:07] <rharper> ricotz: I've tested a fix, filed bug 1539634 for the NM side;
[15:08] <kgunn> it could very well be me, but just in case...any ideas?
[15:09] <Saviq> infinity, so unless you have a way to make it re-run with qtmir from proposed, we might need to force it through (you can see just below that the new version is fine - pulled new mir in by way of autodeps and bumped build-depends)
[15:12] <ancaemanuel> the new glibc https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/glibc https://www.sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2015-08/msg00609.html was going for wily release but for some regression is not.
[15:15] <ancaemanuel> somebody promised that we will have the latest version "next week"
[15:17] <ancaemanuel> "next week" is now and we do not have any new version.
[15:24] <ancaemanuel> remember that we have an feature freeze on 18 february, less than 20 days from now
[15:31] <infinity> ancaemanuel: I'm well aware.
[15:31] <kgunn> hmmm,blowing everything away, starting over seemed to solve my problem
[15:38] <bdmurray> pitti: Can you bump the version of ubuntu-release-upgrader in your britney hint?
[15:40] <tedg> Yesterday I upgraded to Xenial, now witih a 4.3 kernel my computer doesn't think it has a touchpad. Trying to figure out what's up, welcome ideas :-)
[15:43] <infinity> tedg: A) What kind of computer, B) Try the 4.4 kernel from -proposed before filing a bug, C) file a bug. :)
[15:44] <infinity> tedg: D) Check settings->Mouse&Touchpad to make sure it's not disabled in userspace.
[15:46] <ogra_> tedg, so the thinkpad nipple addicts finally won !
[15:50] <tedg> infinity: XPS 13, a couple generations old. I think it's a PS/2 touchpad though.
[15:58] <ricotz> rharper, thanks
[16:01] <cjwatson> infinity,pitti: All right, https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-haskell/DHG_packages.git/commit/?id=e03850adc13e0887e3e45f666b05b4be1e4f5b8d should fix Haskell's autopkgtest woes.
[16:01] <cjwatson> Fingers crossed.
[16:13] <tedg> Nope, same with 4.4
[16:47] <sil2100> Saviq: hey! I can add someone to the ci-train-users team if needed
[16:48] <LocutusOfBorg> sil2100, me me me :)
[16:48] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm not a core-dev, but I usually look at the transition page, and I really would like to be able to retry testsuite failures
[16:53] <sil2100> LocutusOfBorg: ah, members of this team don't have such power IIRC ;)
[16:53] <sil2100> LocutusOfBorg: the ci-train-users are those that can fill silos and do landings through the train
[16:55] <LocutusOfBorg> oh, I don't even understand what does it mean :)
[16:55] <LocutusOfBorg> so don't care ;)
[16:56] <superm1> tedg: can you get the model number (eg 9343, 9333, 9350)?  I might be able to give you some pointer on what touchpad was in there that might aide in you tracking down what happened in 4.3 that broke it
[16:57] <superm1> but really filing a kernel bug might be best to get dmesg, lsinput and all that various stuff included for the kernel guys to track down further too
[17:02] <sil2100> Saviq: lukas-kde was that, right?
[17:02] <sil2100> Saviq: adding
[17:38] <pitti> cjwatson: yay thanks
[18:15] <slangasek> hallyn: any objections to me merging slof?
[18:17] <hallyn> slangasek: no i had my heart set on it!
[18:17] <hallyn> j/k - no objections ,thanks :)
[18:17] <slangasek> :)
[18:42] <slangasek> hallyn: good news, I've adjusted the cross-compiling support for slof to something that should be upstreamable to Debian
[18:45] <hallyn> slangasek: cool
[18:46] <slangasek> hallyn: bad news, the Debian git repo is out of date ;P
[19:03] <hallyn> wrt the Debian pkg?
[19:03] <hallyn> odd
[19:47] <rsalveti> pitti: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=813141 (had that when updating just the systemd package)
[23:09] <teward> I'm doing some server ISO tests, and I noticed that the 'manual package selection' item in Tasksel during the installer doesn't operate - in older ISOs, it launches aptitude to allow for package selection, but it does nothing on the dailies, is this a known issue?
[23:09] <teward> oops bleh wrong channel
[23:09]  * teward kicks his laptop
[23:09] <teward> (evil touchpad is evil)
[23:12] <sarnold> not dselect? man kids these days getting  soft. in my day we had dselect and we were happy to have it! both ways uphill in the snow!
[23:13] <teward> sarnold: i actually couldn't tell what it launched
[23:13] <teward> looked a little like aptitude to me in 14.04 but I may be wrong
[23:13] <teward> in either case, it does nothing on the dailies


[14:55] <dpb> is the current karmic booting on the beagleboard? I'm getting "init: procps main process (670) terminated with status 255" on boot and it stops there
[15:50] <beyossi> i am looking for a glib-2.20.0 and gstreamer-0.10 packages to be installed by apt-get into my beagleboard. The list of packages with the package name inside is long and I can't find out which is the package I need. can someone help with that?
[16:10] <beyossi> well, I took the most wider package, so I am sure it depends on the basic library I need :-) -life are easier when you memory
[17:40] <lool> beyossi: What do you need?
[17:40] <lool> beyossi: shared library?  development headers?
[17:40] <lool> beyossi: apt-cache search libglib should give you a list with short descriptions
[17:41] <lool> dpb: I run karmic on beagleboard
[17:41] <lool> dpb: Do you use an initrd?
[17:41] <lool> dpb: Try with an initrd; would also be nice to see your full boot log on serial console
[20:03] <beyossi> lool: thanks, i found.
[20:04] <beyossi> my application compilation looks for asm/hwcap.h
[20:04] <beyossi> any idea what library to install?, is it libasm-dev?
[20:25] <beyossi> found. you need linux-libc-dev


[00:27] <wrst> dentist... im not a fan :)
[00:27] <wrst> wb netritious
[16:12] <netritious> ty wrst :D
[16:13] <wrst> you're welcome netritious :)
[16:13] <wrst> happy monday or as I am calling it this week, Wednesday
[16:23] <netritious> same to you wrst...cooking a turkey this year?
[16:24] <wrst> no we go places that they cook it... thankfully
[16:24] <wrst> if it were up to me we would grill burgers
[16:24] <wrst> I'm not a terribly huge turkey fan
[16:29] <netritious> I cook one every year, usually a 8-12 pounder traditional style in a roasting pan.
[16:29] <netritious> most of the time it's a quick byte of it here and then off elsewhere, the rest doomed to leftovers for the next week lol.
[16:30]  * netritious loves turkey and mayo week
[16:30] <netritious> *bite lol
[16:31] <wrst> ha ha
[16:31] <wrst> actually a good turkey sandwich I do like
[16:31] <wrst> and I like the dressing
[16:31] <wrst> I think its just the nothing but turkey for a week
[16:33] <netritious> yeah, that's why I avoid it all year long
[16:33] <wrst> good move :)
[16:34] <wrst> my parents usually cook steak... I like that :)
[16:34] <netritious> Hm steak...cowturken?
[16:34] <netritious> j/k :)
[16:35] <wrst> ha ha just cow
[16:36] <netritious> Part of me wonders if anyone has tried that yet, and part of me knows someone probably has
[16:38] <wrst> ha ha likely
[16:38] <cyberanger> I'm thankful for this completely non-kosher pulled pork bbq
[16:39] <wrst> ha ha