[14:48] <cjohnston> johnoxton: ping
[14:55] <johnoxton> cjohnston hi! :)
[14:55] <cjohnston> johnoxton: bug #898191
[14:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 898191 in summit "Add a checkbox labeled "Video" to show what meetings need to be videoed (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/898191
[14:56] <cjohnston> this is something that we will need to think about a little when we do the schedule design
[14:56] <johnoxton> cjohnston ok. Is rachelisking subscribed here?
[14:56] <cjohnston> to the bug?
[14:57] <cjohnston> i didnt subscribe anyone
[14:57] <johnoxton> cjohnston ok, I've added her
[14:58] <johnoxton> I am doing a planning sprint with Mark this week but we should arrange a catch-up on this stuff
[14:58] <cjohnston> ok
[14:58] <johnoxton> rachelisking can you work with cjohnston to co-ordinate?
[14:59] <rachelisking> johnoxton yes sure
[14:59] <rachelisking> hi cjohnston
[14:59] <cjohnston> o/
[14:59] <johnoxton> rachelisking, cjohnston thanks and sorry, I have to duck out… talk soon
[14:59] <cjohnston> np
[15:02] <rachelisking> cjohnston should we try and have a chat next week sometime? arrange a time to all be on irc?
[15:02] <cjohnston> that would be great rachelisking..
[15:02] <cjohnston> i dont have my schedule for next week
[15:03] <rachelisking> ok, maybe we'll look at a lunchtime one day?
[15:03] <cjohnston> depends on whose lunch
[15:04] <rachelisking> cjohnston: ha, yeah, of course
[15:05] <rachelisking> well, UK time either lunchtime or just after 6pm is probably the best for us
[15:05] <rachelisking> cjohnston, let us know when you've got your schedule and we'll work it out :)
[15:05] <cjohnston> rachelisking: o
[15:05] <cjohnston> ok


[01:29] <lostson> home again home again
[01:43]  * nickmoeck is preparing to make the leap to Natty
[01:45] <lostson> been there done that unity was a bust for me
[01:45] <lostson> not impressive at all
[01:46] <lostson> tiling window manager that is shiny and has fancy effects
[01:46] <lostson> interesting concept though
[01:51] <nickmoeck> I won't be using Unity. I'm a KDE guy
[01:53] <mikeputnam> i'm very happy with Lucid. in fact the happiest i've been so far with desktop Linuxen
[01:54] <mikeputnam> only a Fedora 12 install from a few years back comes in a close second
[01:54] <mikeputnam> i really want to love OpenBSD but i can't yet
[01:54] <mikeputnam> i'm too impatient
[01:55] <mikeputnam> there are many things OpenBSD does better than any other
[01:55] <mikeputnam> yet there are things that they severely lack in as well
[01:55] <mikeputnam> i wish i was a c savant so i could contribute
[02:21] <twopoint718> mikeputnam: yes, I want to help on those kinds of projects but it seems kinda daunting
[02:23] <mikeputnam> my experience has been: it seems attractive, get all revved up about helping, file a bug report or two, help some newbs out with a few easy questions, but after a while that just isn't enough to keep me revved up.
[02:23] <mikeputnam> i'm not vested enough
[02:23] <twopoint718> I need to develop the skill of diving into an existing codebase.  It can be really tough.
[02:25] <lostson> i love C its my favorite to work with hence the new mimic project im working on but that is a mix of C and Lua
[02:25] <twopoint718> I was also going to say (about what loston was saying before) that I'm giving a lightning talk at the next MadLUG meeting on tiling window managers.
[02:25] <mikeputnam> dwm!
[02:25] <lostson> mimic!
[02:25] <twopoint718> yes, dwm and xmonad
[02:26] <lostson> both excellent tiling window managers
[02:26] <twopoint718> I've only got 10 min or so, but I think I can show (really briefly) how to tweak their configurations
[02:27] <lostson> dwm shouldnt be a problem but xmonad i think you will be pressed for time seeing as its haskell
[02:27] <twopoint718> I'll start with an existing config file and just change something like a basic keybinding, just to give a flavor of it.
[02:28] <twopoint718> and say something like "oh and there's xmobar for if you want a status bar and trayer if you want a systray"
[02:31] <twopoint718> ...would there be anything that even a 10min talk on tiling window managers *must* include?
[02:34] <mikeputnam> tmux?
[02:34] <mikeputnam> (more openbsd <3)
[02:38]  * h00k is here
[02:39] <h00k> I saw a guy at one of the release parties use xmonad
[02:39] <twopoint718> h00k: I like it very much.
[02:39] <h00k> twopoint718: I tried to set it up once.
[02:39] <h00k> I got scared and gave up.
[02:40] <twopoint718> It really helps to start with a config file that someone else set up. Or start with no config file and use the defaults.  The tutorial is a *must*
[02:41] <h00k> rails s -d
[02:41] <h00k> wrong terminal.
[02:46] <lostson> you wait h00k when mimic is done you will like that : )
[02:47] <h00k> lostson: what is this?
[02:47] <lostson> its my continuation of the ion3 work but its called mimic
[02:47] <lostson> another tiling wm
[02:47] <h00k> Gotcha
[02:47] <h00k> I knew you couldn't leave for the Windows forever.
[02:49] <h00k> heroku db:pull
[02:49] <h00k> bah, stop it!
[02:49] <lostson> nah i cant stand windows too damn slow
[02:50] <h00k> one bug down
[02:52] <h00k> I'm working on wedding-rsvp again
[02:55] <h00k> And how did I miss this Ratatat album?
[02:55] <h00k> LP4
[02:57] <mikeputnam> today i made this pointless exercise of node.js + express + mongodb + mongoose orm on a free server from joyent  http://dhmn.no.de/
[02:57] <mikeputnam> i ran apache bench against this and an equally pointless app i cobbled on google app engine and node.js won
[02:58] <mikeputnam> scientific proof!
[02:58] <mikeputnam> that i write pointless apps   :/
[02:58] <h00k> mongodb
[02:58] <h00k> is that the one with Web Scale?
[02:58] <mikeputnam> doesn't sound familiar
[02:59] <h00k> Ahahaha, there was this dumb video...hang on
[02:59] <mikeputnam> mongodb is a nosql, json based db
[02:59] <h00k> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs
[03:01] <h00k> er, some language apparently is NSFW
[03:01] <mikeputnam> lol
[03:02]  * h00k facepalms
[03:02] <h00k> yeah...
[03:02] <h00k> whoops.
[03:02] <mikeputnam> lolol
[03:02] <mikeputnam> omg lol
[03:04] <mikeputnam> lolol
[03:05] <h00k> :D
[03:05] <twopoint718> so what is this "webscale" meme?
[03:05] <h00k> no clue
[03:05] <mikeputnam> that is the awesomest
[03:06] <mikeputnam> i'm guilty of becoming enamored with such things
[03:07] <mikeputnam> they're the android/iPad/3dTV/$shinynewthing of web app dev
[03:07] <h00k> webscale.
[03:08] <mikeputnam> i hadn't realized that mongo doesn't actually store writes immediately
[03:08]  * mikeputnam learns from pop humor videos
[03:08]  * h00k unplugs server before commit
[03:09] <mikeputnam> for most stupid crap (or pointless apps) on the internet this is acceptable
[03:09] <h00k> yep.
[03:09] <h00k> Dougipad: wat
[03:09] <h00k> Dougipad: no
[03:09]  * h00k disbeliefs
[03:09] <Dougipad> H00k you can add another I'd
[03:10] <h00k> Dougipad: I see that.
[03:10] <h00k> Dougipad: here, check out this sweet flash video.
[03:10] <mikeputnam> but! i'd bet as these things come and go, relational db's will eventually adopt some of the fly-by-night things
[03:10] <h00k> oh, just kidding :(
[03:10] <h00k> mikeputnam: probably, yeah.
[03:10] <Dougipad> This interface is unusable. Can't see typing and chat at sa,
[03:10] <Dougipad> Me time. Peace
[03:10] <mikeputnam> there have to be some neat ideas in there somewhere
[03:15] <douglasawh> h00k: I didn't see your responses...BECAUSE I COULDN'T SEE THE TEXT
[03:15] <douglasawh> there was an IRC app, but I never know what to put which is why I use quassel because it always has freenode defaulted in
[03:15] <twopoint718> Okay, yeah that xtranormal video gives me a headache
[03:15] <douglasawh> irc999 I believe it is called
[03:16] <h00k> douglasawh: no prob :D
[03:17] <h00k> douglasawh: my future in-laws have one too, but it's for work related things/research
[03:18] <h00k> Worst. Video. And. Or. Song. Ever. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0
[03:18] <nickmoeck> Rebecca Black ?
[03:18] <h00k> ahahahahahahaha
[03:18] <h00k> nickmoeck: yes.
[03:18] <douglasawh> you [not coc approved] caused me to miss the goal in the Galaxy game
[03:19] <h00k> douglasawh: ! I bet there exists a replay somewhere
[03:19] <nickmoeck> from what I understand, daddy paid for someone to write the song for her to sing, etc
[03:21] <douglasawh> h00k: yeah, I saw it on the TV right after it.
[03:21] <h00k> douglasawh: see, I'm not terrible
[03:21] <h00k> nickmoeck: they *paid* someone for those lyrics
[03:22] <douglasawh> but this brings up an intesting point.    He's supposed to be our moral compass
[03:23] <douglasawh> ubuntulo1 seems to be missing a 'g'
[03:23] <mikeputnam> George Carlin was our moral compass
[03:24] <h00k> George Carlin. Oh my.
[03:24] <douglasawh> IRC needs a way to fav posts, because that would be one.
[03:24] <h00k> yes
[03:24] <douglasawh> ubuntulo1 better find that 'g' before he needs to pay up or he might be missing more than that
[03:25] <h00k> we could start a quotebook or something
[03:27] <douglasawh> the coc should have like afterhours rules for LoCos
[03:27] <douglasawh> wouldn't work in a global channel for obvious reasons
[03:29] <h00k> Apparently she is 13.
[03:32] <mikeputnam> ?
[03:33] <douglasawh> who is 13?
[03:34] <mikeputnam> h00k: are you using the wrong window again?
[03:36] <h00k> mikeputnam: no...er...sorry, that girl in the video I linked
[03:36] <h00k> the terrible Friday song
[03:52] <douglasawh> gonna do updates which usually means I lose connection on natty...we shall see
[03:53] <h00k> douglasawh: good luck
[03:53] <h00k> I found a funny bug
[03:54] <h00k> douglasawh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/734865
[17:14] <h00k> hello
[23:37] <h00k> guests are deleting themselves again
[23:37] <h00k> from wedding-rsvp


[03:14] <bigjools> hey roaksoax
[03:14] <bigjools> I had to add another patch to the 1.3 django package but it is an upstream one; I don't know why we don't have it packaged
[13:01] <roaksoax> bigjools ok cool. though this patch will need to get into raring first then quantal/precise
[22:33] <Pradeep_HP> When I do a "maas-import-pxe-files" during mass configuration on Quantal, it only downloads the precise releated net-boot files. Does it not download quantal files?
[22:34] <Pradeep_HP> can we not deploy quantal to the nodes using maas?
[22:46] <roaksoax> Pradeep_HP: edit /etc/maas/import_pxe_files and change RELEASES="precise" to RELEASES="precise quantal"
[22:48] <roaksoax> or solely quantal if you prefer
[22:50] <Pradeep_HP> yeah I did that, and it downloaded the netboot images but after that I get the following error "Downloading to temporary location /tmp/tmp.7Fht0CylY1. /tmp/tmp.7Fht0CylY1 /etc/maas http://cdimage.ubuntu.com//ubuntu-server/daily/current/quantal-server-amd64.squashfs: 2012-11-15 16:42:51 ERROR 404: Not Found. "
[22:50] <roaksoax> Pradeep_HP: does it fail there, or does it continue?
[22:50] <roaksoax> continue to download the ephemeral images
[22:51] <Pradeep_HP> roadsoax: it exited after that
[22:52] <roaksoax> Pradeep_HP: ok, so you need to disbale importing the squashfs image. so you'd need to add IMPORT_SQUASHFS=0
[22:52] <roaksoax> Pradeep_HP: that should disable importing squashfs and should continue
[22:55]  * roaksoax needs to leave
[22:55] <Pradeep_HP> that line is already commented
[22:55] <roaksoax> Pradeep_HP: IMPORT_SQUASHFS=0, *un*comment it
[22:56]  * roaksoax needs to leave
[22:57] <Pradeep_HP> I have changed that.. trying to download again
[22:57] <Pradeep_HP> thanks for your help
[22:58] <Pradeep_HP> roaksoax: thanks its working now
[22:58] <bigjools> o/ roaksoax
[23:00] <bigjools> roaksoax: I added another change to the precise package in the experimental ppa
[23:05] <roaksoax> bigjools:  to django?
[23:06] <roaksoax> Pradeep_HP: ;)
[23:09] <bigjools> roaksoax: maas
[23:09] <bigjools> roaksoax: the upstart file for maas-dhcp was broken
[23:09] <bigjools> roaksoax: but also yes I added another patch to django
[23:09] <roaksoax> bigjools: so quantal versiom is too
[23:09] <bigjools> roaksoax: no - quantal's dhcp is different
[23:10] <bigjools> needed different params to the daemon, plus different permissions on leases file
[23:10] <roaksoax> ah ok thouvh im gonna start using quantal pacling for precise
[23:10] <bigjools> roaksoax: also the apparmor is broken
[23:10] <roaksoax> argh so we also need to sru apparmor
[23:10] <bigjools> the dhcpd.d/ is not getting read
[23:10] <bigjools> yes :)
[23:11] <roaksoax> alright
[23:11] <roaksoax> so uaing quantal paclaging the maas-dhxp upstart job issue should disappear then
[23:13] <roaksoax> cause i thought i haddone that already
[23:14]  * roaksoax running latw to class
[23:14] <bigjools> roaksoax: no
[23:14] <bigjools> it won't fix it - the quantal packaging is broken for precise
[23:14] <bigjools> don't replace my fix
[23:14] <roaksoax> k
[23:15] <roaksoax> however it shouldnt be that way
[23:15] <bigjools> what way?
[23:15] <roaksoax> i mean both using same upstream version should work same packaging
[23:15] <bigjools> you'll have to do some release series detection then
[23:15] <Pradeep_HP> I also had question on the dhcp
[23:16] <Pradeep_HP> do we have to configure dhcp manually?
[23:16] <Pradeep_HP> I have configures the /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf and started the isc-dhcp-server
[23:17] <Pradeep_HP> is that the way we have to do it?
[23:17] <roaksoax> bigjools: alroght i will take a look when o get back
[23:17] <bigjools> Pradeep_HP: what version are you using?
[23:18] <Pradeep_HP> the default version of maas in the quantal release
[23:18] <bigjools> roaksoax: ok ping me later, enjoy your class
[23:18] <bigjools> Pradeep_HP: then you don't need manual configuration, install maas-dhcp and configure it in the settings page for "cluster controllers"
[23:19] <bigjools> it'll set up the config for you and restart dhcpd
[23:19] <Pradeep_HP> where do I find the settings page for cluster controllers?
[23:20] <bigjools> click the cog at the top right
[23:21] <Pradeep_HP> ok
[23:22] <Pradeep_HP> thats the settings page right?
[23:23] <Pradeep_HP> ok I got the cluster settings in that page
[23:24] <Pradeep_HP> so I have to edit the interface settings and save them... that all I have to do?
[23:25] <Pradeep_HP> so once I do the changes will it be adding the changes to dhcpd.conf and start the services?
[23:25] <Pradeep_HP> bigjools: am I right?
[23:25] <bigjools> Pradeep_HP: yes that's it
[23:25] <bigjools> dhcpd will come up on the interface you configured
[23:27] <Pradeep_HP> bigjools: ok cool thanks. I was actually following the document in "http://people.canonical.com/~gavin/docs/lp:maas/install.html#disc-install" it does say that we have to change in the web interface but does not say where in the web interface. thats y I was confused
[23:30] <bigjools> ah!
[23:30] <bigjools> Pradeep_HP: please feel free to file bugs about documentation
[23:30] <bigjools> on the maas project
[23:35] <Pradeep_HP> bigjools: ok sure, thanks
[23:55] <bigjools> roaksoax: when you're back: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/12.04-nocobbler/+bug/1079030
[23:55] <bigjools> oh dear ubot5


[23:33] <stiv2k> darkxst: hi
[23:33] <stiv2k> i finally built gnome-control-center!
[23:34] <darkxst> stiv2k, yay!
[23:37] <darkxst> stiv2k, now you need to patch gnome-desktop and rebuild that, with these patches
[23:37] <darkxst> http://pastebin.com/jVa6QUhC
[23:37] <darkxst> (just use git am to apply, then jhbuild buildone -n gnome-desktop
[23:40] <darkxst> robert_ancell, hi, can you review bug 1475949?
[23:41] <robert_ancell> darkxst, I had a quick look at that yesterday. I don't know quite enough about the detail of the change. It might be a good idea to also ping seb128 / Laney
[23:41] <stiv2k> darkxst: ok
[23:42] <darkxst> I pinged them last night, they deferred it to you!
[23:51] <stiv2k> darkxst: hm
[23:51] <stiv2k> i dont think the patch worked
[23:53] <stiv2k> http://pastebin.com/bBcGUJ1U
[23:53] <stiv2k> oh
[23:54] <darkxst> stiv2k, it was from 3-16 branch, so might need minor rebasing
[23:55] <stiv2k> well
[23:55] <stiv2k> am i in the right directory?
/source/gnome-desktop
[23:55] <darkxst> ?
[23:55] <stiv2k> ~/jhbuild/checkout/gnome-control-center
[23:56] <darkxst> stiv2k, gnome-desktop for those patches
[23:56] <stiv2k> cool
[23:56] <stiv2k> i think it applied
[23:56] <darkxst>  then jhbuild buildone -n gnome-desktop
[23:57] <stiv2k> success
[23:58] <darkxst> these are the patches for gnome-control-center http://pastebin.com/UEwehue4
[23:59] <darkxst> the first of those is the ubuntu language patch from the current packages, the rest are the packagekit support
[23:59] <stiv2k> ok


[03:12] <pleia2> added ircc call for nominations to the fridge
[03:12] <jose> thanks pleia2 :)
[03:12] <jose> sorry for being so absent :(
[03:12] <jose> finals have been killing me
[03:12] <jose> sorry, mid-term exams
[03:12] <pleia2> no worries, focus on your studies :)
[03:13] <jose> :)
[22:32]  * ahoneybun walls in
[22:32] <pleia2> welcome ahoneybun
[22:32] <ahoneybun> *walks
[22:32] <ahoneybun> pleia2, thanks
[22:32] <pleia2> ahoneybun: so, if you found any Ubuntu-related articles this week (from Monday onwards) you can add them to this google doc: http://bit.ly/vDkJyf
[22:32] <pleia2> I'm going through my sources now
[22:32] <pleia2> you can see past issues for what kinds of thing goes in each category
[22:33] <pleia2> or you can just help with summaries tomorrow :)
[22:34] <ahoneybun> I thought this was cool http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTgwMzQ
[22:34] <ahoneybun> not really ubuntu but linux
[22:35] <ahoneybun> pleia2, check out my upcoming app http://imgur.com/a/brLcG
[22:35] <pleia2> ahoneybun: you can add that to the "other articles of interest" section (where Debian Project News is)
[22:35] <pleia2> cool :)
[22:36] <ahoneybun> thanks
[22:36] <ahoneybun> the list items open links to the wiki pages
[22:36] <ahoneybun> for the teams
[22:38]  * ahoneybun wonders about IRC council
[22:46] <ahoneybun> I can't edit it
[22:46] <pleia2> refresh? it's editable by the whole world
[22:46] <ahoneybun> says view only
[22:47] <pleia2> hmm
[22:47] <pleia2> try now
[22:47] <pleia2> looks like another admin changed it to view only :\
[22:48] <pleia2> sorry about that
[22:48] <ahoneybun> got it
[22:52] <pleia2> ahoneybun: thanks :)
[22:53] <pleia2> ahoneybun: feel free to add your name in the Contributors section!
[22:53] <ahoneybun> np I'm looking on when to apply for IRC Council
[22:53] <ahoneybun> pleia2, I'll be here tomorrow for the summaries
[22:53] <pleia2> ahoneybun: great, are you on the list of folks I email each week?
[22:53] <pleia2> I can add you ;)
[22:54] <pleia2> will probably send out the email soon, I take saturdays off so I'll be back on Sunday
[22:54] <ahoneybun> pleia2, yep I get the Newsletter every week :)
[22:54] <pleia2> ahoneybun: there's a separate email I send out Friday night to tell people that the document is ready for people to write summaries :)
[22:54] <ahoneybun> oh then no
[22:55] <pleia2> want to be added?
[22:55] <ahoneybun> yep
[22:55] <pleia2> great, added
[22:56] <ahoneybun> awesome sauce
[22:58] <ahoneybun> don't you think having borderlands 2 being released on Linux is important news?
[23:01] <pleia2> could add to the same spot you added the other thing
[23:01] <pleia2> maybe this article? http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/10/borderlands-the-pre-sequel-to-launch-on-steamos-alongside-windows/
[23:01] <pleia2> PC gaming isn't really my thing, so it often misses my radar, thanks for your help
[23:02] <ahoneybun> yea I have been playing bl2 a bit and it is quite nice
[23:02] <pleia2> actually, that article does mention Ubuntu, so you can put it under "In the press"
[23:02] <ahoneybun> we can even game with windows users
[23:03] <pleia2> :)
[23:05] <ahoneybun> like so?
[23:06] <pleia2> yep, just want to make sure the article title is identical (I usually copy/paste from the website)
[23:06] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[23:06] <pleia2> looks like its "to launch" rather than "will be released"
[23:06] <ahoneybun> http://www.ubuntuparty.org.za/2014/10/ubuntu-community-projects-letter-to.html
[23:06] <pleia2> wrong ubuntu :)
[23:07] <pleia2> there are a few organizations out there with Ubuntu in the name doing humanitarian work, that's one of them
[23:07] <ahoneybun> I see
[23:09] <pleia2> yeah, it's fun weeding through them in my news alerts :)
[23:10] <ahoneybun> XD
[23:11] <ahoneybun> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX07xbMi82A&list=UUvcBJFXTzCfU_sILnYVd4gg&sf31898258=1
[23:13] <pleia2> neat, can add to featured audio and video
[23:13] <pleia2> reminds me, I always forget to add ubuntuonair.com things
[23:17]  * ahoneybun never can make them with his timezone
[23:18] <pleia2> video is too time consuming
[23:19] <ahoneybun> added
[23:19] <pleia2> thanks
[23:19] <ahoneybun> np
[23:24]  * ahoneybun just updated to r267 and now r268 is here lol


[05:40] <jose> daker: not sure if it's just me, but... has summit.ubuntu.com slightly changed? (design-wise)
[05:41] <jose> daker: nevermind. figured it out. sorry about that!
[17:23] <jose> mhall119: hey, who should we talk about to get a CNAME for uos.ubuntu.com to uds.ubuntu.com.
[17:25] <jose> daker: ping
[17:26] <daker> jose: pong
[17:26] <jose> daker: hey, you know if the summit favico is somewhere on the lp branch?
[17:27] <jose> can't seem to find it
[17:28] <daker> ah that's why https://assets.ubuntu.com/img/sites/ubuntu/favicon.ico
[17:29] <daker> it's here https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-community-webthemes/ubuntu-community-webthemes/light-django-theme/view/head:/templates/website_base.html#L11
[17:30] <daker> sorry L10
[17:34] <jose> gotcha, thanks. I'm gonna take a look and see what can be done
[17:35] <jose> daker: huh. that is weird. the favicon linked there is the new circle of friends, but summit.ubuntu.com shows the old one, the one with 3 colors
[17:36] <daker> yes, i think the server is still configuerd to serve a default favicon so when the browser get's a 404 favicon, will try to call http://yoursite/favicon.ico
[17:37] <daker> http://summit.ubuntu.com/favicon.ico
[17:37] <daker> otherwise you'll get useless 404 errors in your apache logs :)
[17:41] <mhall119> jose: there's actually a plan to drop uds.u.c all together, and put it's content onto summut.u.c
[17:41] <jose> daker: I'll check that then :)
[17:42] <jose> mhall119: sounds good then, I think that works
[17:42] <mhall119> tanya and the web team are pushing for that
[17:42] <jose> mhall119: now, have you seen ^? the canonical server has an old favicon, should I bug IS about that?
[17:44] <mhall119> jose: on summit or on assets.u.c?
[17:44] <jose> summit
[17:45] <jose> summit has an old link and 404s, which defaults to the server favicon, which is old
[17:45] <mhall119> you can ask IS, I don't know if they put it there or if we did
[17:45] <mhall119> jose: we really just need to update summit to use the new theme from assets.u.c
[17:46] <jose> isn't that a bzr pull?
[17:46] <mhall119> no, different themes, just similar look
[17:46] <mhall119> will require template changes to summit
[17:47] <mhall119> but not too bad, we did it for the devportal already


 What do you think Microsoft's game is?  Port windows to Linux? Windows Subsystem for Linux?
 Open source parts of what they own. Then turn Windows into DaaS
 I really like the idea of Windows compatibility layer on Linux desktop..  using Xorg display manager and windows apps.
 and/Or Wayland


[00:01] <dsmythies> GunnarHj: my synchronizing pull of help.ubuntu.com launchpad branch to my other local working copy was fine. No timeouts or whatever. I suspect I work at a lower level than you, as I only use terminal type command "bzr pull".
[00:03] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Ok, good. Actually I used the terminal in this case too. Bazaar Explorer would have stalled...
[00:08] <dsmythies> GunnarHj: At one point last night I thought Launchpad might be broken, so I reviewed some of the IRC logs. Evidently some new lp servers are pending, so maybe some of this timeout stuff will get better. I'm thinking beyond this particular case, and to the more generic timeout issues.
[00:11] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Yeah, the time out problems when working with translations, for instance, are very annoying. And there are plans to improve the situation. Possibly they have started to improve the resources.
[00:13] <dsmythies> GunnrHj: yes, it is the translation one that I find most annoying. https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/736005 . But I get it often on the help.ubuntu.com branch also, if the revision is significant enough.
[13:45] <aeoril> I changed my name on launchpad and now I cannot access my wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScottSanbar for editing.  Is there anyway to reset it, or delete it, so I can re-own it?  My old name on launchpad was sanbar, the new is my nick here, aeoril
[13:49] <knome> aeoril, make sure you have logged out and then log back in
[13:49] <knome> both in launchpad and in the wiki
[14:00] <aeoril> knome cool!  That did it ... thanks
[14:00] <knome> np


[11:25] <tdr112> morning
[11:38] <airurando> hi tdr112
[11:38] <czajkowski> howdy
[11:38] <airurando> morning czajkowski
[11:38] <airurando> czajkowski: how was the RMS talk?
[11:39] <tdr112> airurando: i asked about the bug jam , will know for sure on Sat , but it should be fine
[11:39] <tdr112> airurando: who did you send that email to
[11:39] <czajkowski> airurando: meh kinda crap tbh
[11:39] <tdr112> whats RMS
[11:39] <czajkowski> Richard M stallman
[11:39] <czajkowski> RMS
[11:39] <airurando> tdr112 the list of folks ebel gave me.
[11:40] <airurando> want me to pm you with it?
[11:41] <tdr112> sure if you have it handy
[11:43] <tdr112> hey czajkowski one of my cats left me a nice little black bird underneath my bed. very thoughtful that's why I love them , you should get yourself one
[11:43]  * czajkowski glares at tdr112
[11:48] <ebel> czajkowski: get a dog, they eat cats
[11:48] <czajkowski> indeed
[11:52] <tdr112> ebel could not look after anything , slashtom would end up looking after it
[11:52] <slashtom> ebel's very good at looking after dogs
[11:52] <slashtom> he looks after his dog very well
[11:53] <airurando> ebel: emails all gone th
[11:54] <airurando> *this morning
[11:54]  * airurando is glad to have it out of the way
[11:57] <daxroc> Any talks on in Dublin ?
[11:57] <tdr112> daxroc: ilug are having some talks on this week
[11:58] <czajkowski> moonpie: ping
[11:58] <daxroc> nice, any url. whats the topics ?
[11:59] <tdr112> daxroc: http://www.linux.ie/
[11:59] <daxroc> heh mybad
[12:01]  * tdr112 is heading along to them
[12:01] <daxroc> yea, the storage seems interesting
[12:01] <tdr112> john does give great talks
[12:02] <czajkowski> he does
[12:02] <czajkowski> great speaker
[12:03] <tdr112> he gave a talk in tog a while ago that was great ,
[12:03]  * daxroc want's to hear more about mysql-ndb
[12:03] <tdr112> he mention cztab a lot as an example
[12:04] <czajkowski> eh ?
[12:05] <tdr112> ah yes i forgot to tell you about that
[12:06] <tdr112> my laptop is about to die , will be back on soon
[12:08] <czajkowski> :s
[12:22] <tdr112> http://www.tog.ie/2010/11/open-source-a-philosophy-for-life-talk-open-night/ it was at this talk , he gave you as an example of some one who makes open source a part of there life, it was some thing along the lines of your not a great coder but your great at bring a communty together and stuff
[12:32] <czajkowski> ah yes
[12:33] <czajkowski> which is me really
[12:33] <czajkowski> Hate coding
[12:33] <czajkowski> but love the open source community
[12:33] <czajkowski> today I'm working with the UK Gov and open source
[20:39] <airurando> tdr112 you there?


[09:06] <Burgundavia> figured that might just a major event recently
[09:07] <jsgotangco> lol
[10:43] <mdke> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-May/010876.html
[10:43] <mdke> wtf is that
[10:44] <mdke> i mean, seriously.
[10:45] <Burgundavia> mdke, no, idea, but it is cool
[10:45] <Burgundavia> what is DJL license?
[10:45] <mdke> cool in that it invalidates our docs 15 days before release
[10:45] <Burgundavia> is that the new Java license that Sun was talking about?
[10:45] <mdke> that's my favourite type of cool
[10:46] <Burgundavia> JavaOne starts today and I think they were planning on some type of announcement
[10:46] <mdke> yeah, but feature freeze started 3 months ago
[10:46] <Burgundavia> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc-commits/2006-May/002551.html <- add then there is this
[10:46] <Burgundavia> what is up with that, honestly
[10:47] <mdke> heh, yeah I saw that, nice one
[10:47] <Burgundavia> feature freeze does not apply to new packages in multi/universe
[10:47] <Burgundavia> my laptop broke, so I am back to my desktop for now
[10:47] <Burgundavia> broke as in, the installer broke
[10:47] <Burgundavia> I think it is a worth a string freeze to change our docs
[10:48] <Burgundavia> with regards to the java stuff
[10:49] <mdke> dude, translation freeze is TOMORROW
[10:49] <mdke> I find it unlikely that the translators will be able to deal with that
[10:50] <jsgotangco> amen
[10:50] <jsgotangco> hey :)
[10:52] <jsgotangco> 1 paragraph???
[10:52] <Burgundavia> it does suck that it came this late, but it is very cool
[10:52] <jsgotangco> you mean the advocacy page?
[10:52] <Burgundavia> no, the java thing
[10:52] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[11:02] <Burgundavia> mdke, since we are going to be pissing off our translators with that disks thing, shall we do the java thing at the same time>
[11:03] <mdke> Burgundavia: I want to find out what the java thing is, I'm mailing -devel now
[11:04] <Burgundavia> well, my cd has ended (I always enjoy beethoven) and it is 2am. I need to sleep
[11:04] <Burgundavia> night all
[11:05] <mdke> night
[11:11] <poningru> what disk thing?
[11:12] <poningru> and is now utterly confused
[11:13] <mdke> we're switching between -devel and here a bit
[11:15] <poningru> ah
[12:07] <jsgotangco> mdke: i got offered sponsorship
[12:09] <mdke> for coming to the conference? nice
[12:10] <rob> s/combind/combine
[12:41] <poningru> mdke: did you find out what the java thing was about?
[12:45] <mdke> poningru: not yet. I emailed about it
[12:46] <poningru> k
[01:40] <motin> I've got some stuff for Ubuntu documentation. It is work in progress, but will surely be helpful for new Ubuntu user's: http://wiki.motin.eu/HowToComfortablySwitchFromWindowsToUbuntu
[01:40] <motin> ..
[01:40] <motin> strange. ill try again
[01:40] <motin> I've got some stuff for Ubuntu documentation. It is work in progress, but will surely be helpful for new Ubuntu user's: http://wiki.motin.eu/HowToComfortablySwitchFromWindowsToUbuntu
[01:47] <rob> we saw it the first time, its written across our screens
[01:50] <mdke> motin: if you'd like to consider integrating your work with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwitchingFromWindows that would be great
[01:52] <motin> mdke: Hmm haven't seen that one
[01:53] <mdke> motin: one preliminary comment is not to link to ubuntuguide.org, it's really out of date. Try to get familiar with our documentation at http://help.ubuntu.com/6.06
[01:54] <mdke> bbl
[01:55] <motin> mdke: I'll not put the link out, since it has helped me on Dapper, but I will write a note about it being outdated, and refer to the official documentation instead
[01:55] <motin> rob: for some reason onyl half of it was displayed on my screen, so I tried again
[01:56] <rob> cool :P
[01:59] <motin> mdke: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwitchingFromWindows and my wiki page have totally different goals. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwitchingFromWindows is a great resource, but pecks on details. Mine's plain practical and more suited as an alternative to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwitchingFromWindows. Full integration is not the best way to go here I believe. Rather a link or two in relevant chapters would be a nice way to do it.
[02:11] <mdke> motin: well they both have the same basic aim. I don't see why the specific aims can't be accomodated in the same document. As for ubuntuguide.org, linking to an out of date resource is extremely unhealthy, especially where better documentation exists
[02:13] <motin> mdke: Okay i'll remove it.
[02:13] <motin> I am integrating some parts of it right now
[02:13] <mdke> great
[02:32] <motin> There... updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwitchingFromWindows
[02:33] <jsgotangco> hey jjesse
[02:33] <jjesse> hiya jsgotangco
[02:33] <jsgotangco> how's it going
[02:34] <jjesse> got a killer headache today, probablly leaving work early :(
[02:34] <jsgotangco> awww
[02:35] <jjesse> dang it, got a note from Jane W saying that Canonical is willing to sponser me to go to the Ubuntu Developer Confrence in Paris, but i'm starting a new job the week before and won't have vacation :(
[02:35] <jjesse> dang it :(
[02:36] <jsgotangco> jjesse: same here
[02:36] <jsgotangco> heh go to Paris so we could meet up!
[02:36] <jjesse> i wish i could
[02:37] <jsgotangco> why not? dang...
[02:37] <jjesse> but new boss probablly won't like it if i say "I need a week of vacation to go to a confrence the week after i start
[02:37] <jsgotangco> well yeah, it'll be a hectic week as well
[02:38] <jsgotangco> (and being drunk at night)
[03:15] <mdke> mgalvin: any news on release notes?
[03:16] <mgalvin> mdke: yea, sorry about that... i was out of commision last week... i already started to work on them this week and should have some stuff to commit shortly
[03:16] <mdke> mgalvin: have the developers been doing some too?
[03:17] <mgalvin> mdke: not that i know of
[03:17] <mdke> mgalvin: ok.
[03:18] <jsgotangco> you wish!
[03:18] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes ?
[03:19] <jsgotangco> i started that
[03:19] <jsgotangco> that's from my old BreezyReleaseNotes
[03:19] <mdke> it looks as if it has had some work
[03:19] <mdke> mgalvin: ^
[03:20] <jsgotangco> yeah its still worth using
[03:20] <mgalvin> i have seen it... yea there is certainly stuff there we can use
[03:21] <jsgotangco> check BreezyReleaseNotes too on how it was structured, althought the Dapper preview pages are good for release notes too
[03:43] <glatzor> hi jsgotangco.
[03:43] <glatzor> may i ask you about the state of the g-a-i manual?
[03:45] <glatzor> has mvo already merged a later version? should I "fix" the issues myself in my branch?
[03:53] <jsgotangco> glatzor: hi
[03:54] <jsgotangco> glatzor: i'll have it fixed now, i did plan it to fix before the day ends
[03:54] <jsgotangco> glatzor: i did made some minor changes (like your name) but i think mvo wasn't able to merge
[03:54] <jsgotangco> glatzor: gimme a few minutes then i'll ping mvo
[03:55] <jsgotangco> glatzor: but if you want to make the change, feel free i'll merge from you
[06:29] <tristanbob_> I just downloaded Flight7, and I see an document with a missing image - Do you want to hear about that here?
[06:30] <mdke> tristanbob_: yes
[06:32] <tristanbob_> in the examples, document called "oo-introducing-ubuntu.odt" there is a place-holder for an image of Espresso
[06:32] <tristanbob_> well, Espresso is pretty much done, but no pic
[06:32] <mdke> tristanbob_: ok, can you file a bug on example-content?
[06:33] <jjesse> do we maintain the example content?
[06:34] <tristanbob_> mdke: yes I can do that
[06:52] <tristanbob_> mdke: looks like next time I will look at existing bugs BEFORE filing a new one
[06:52] <tristanbob_> I created a bug-report, then saw it already existed, so I marked mine as a duplicate
[06:53] <tristanbob_> ok I have another question related to Espresso
[06:53] <tristanbob_> is Espresso now called Ubiquity?
[06:53] <tristanbob_> and should the docs reflect that?
[06:54] <mdke> yes
[07:11] <LaserJock> mdke: have you gotten any better info on java than from robitaille?
[07:12] <Burgwork> mdke, have you pinged doko
[07:12] <Burgwork> ?
[07:13] <mdke> yes, I got the info
[07:17] <mdke> nothing to change yet
[07:17] <LaserJock> I suprised I hear anything about it
[07:18] <LaserJock> I didn't see any Feature Freeze stuff in -motu about it
[07:21] <LaserJock> Burgwork: thanks for the ESA edits, the LTSP section really flows nicely
[07:24] <Burgwork> LaserJock, hey, np
[07:24] <Burgwork> can I play on Tuesday after work as well?
[07:26] <LaserJock> I would think so
[07:26] <Burgwork> ok
[07:26] <LaserJock> I think cbx33 has been busy with work, etc.
[07:26] <Burgwork> I want to cut down the 9 items in difference to 7
[07:26] <Burgwork> plus I need to add one in, about licensing
[07:27] <LaserJock> which ones do you want to take out/merge?
[07:28] <Burgwork> I haven't really looked at that yet
[07:29] <Burgwork> LaserJock, I am going to email to edubuntu
[07:30] <LaserJock> Burgwork: good idea
[07:30] <Burgwork> overall, I really like the structure and the first bit is great
[07:34] <LaserJock> Burgwork: cool
[07:35] <LaserJock> I tried to rework it as much as I could with cbx33
[11:06] <mdke> hi
[11:06] <sivang> howdy guys
[11:07] <sivang> so, mdke :
[11:07] <sivang> Setting up scrollkeeper (0.3.14-11ubuntu1) ...
[11:07] <sivang> Rebuilding the database. This may take some time.
[11:07] <sivang> I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/usr/share/ubuntu-docs/common/zh_TW/preface.xml"
[11:07] <mdke> what version of ubuntu-docs are you using?
[11:07] <sivang> ///usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu/serverguide/zh_TW/serverguide.xml:401: element include: XInclude error : could not load /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/common/zh_TW/preface.xml, and no fallback was found
[11:07] <mdke> yeah, I saw the paste already
[11:08] <mdke> don't worry about the version, I see the bug.
[11:08] <mdke> is it preventing you from installing something?
[11:13] <mdke> sivang: is it preventing you from installing something?
[11:18] <sivang> mdke: not that I saw , I just now rebooted after it was requested in my dist-upgrade process, but it seems that SK's db would be inconsistent now or lack this link to the server guide?
[11:19] <mdke> sivang: yes, that's fine. I've fixed it in our repository, it'll be in the next upload
[11:19] <sivang> mdke: cool, are you also the packager?
[11:21] <mdke> sivang: we all chip in. dholbach uploads
[11:22] <mdke> everyone can touch packages in Ubuntu, don't forget
[11:22] <sivang> mdke: cool :)
[11:22] <sivang> yes, I will not forget
[11:22] <LaserJock> essentially anybody with svn access can change the packaging
[11:23] <mdke> well, or anyone with upload rights :)
[11:23] <LaserJock> main upload rights
[11:23] <mdke> yeah
[11:44] <sivang> anywyay, laters. I have too many channels open. I need to close some
[11:44] <mdke> bye
[11:57] <LaserJock> mdke: free-as-in-beer is cost, right?
[11:57] <LaserJock> I'm not a beer drinker so that always confuses me :/
[11:57] <mdke> yeah, although I don't drink much myself
[11:57] <Burgwork> yep
[11:58] <mdke> i think what that page Burgwork referred to is saying is that you can have commercial software which is open source
[11:58] <crimsun> LaserJock: think of it this way: usually there are strings attached when you buy a beer for $random person you find attractive
[11:58] <mdke> which is of course a Good Thing
[11:59] <LaserJock> crimsun: ok, never done that, but I can understand that :-)
[11:59] <crimsun> sorry, I should clarify that to read "...when someone buys you a beer"


[12:43] <cartel_> guys do we have kiosk admin tool packaged?
[12:46] <Riddell> cartel_: nope, maybe kalyxo do, it's definatly something we want
[12:48] <cartel_> hmm
[11:59] <keugenesan> hi all, who can help me with understanding kubuntus Sound Serevr scheme?
[01:41] <Riddell> keugenesan: it's just the same as standard KDE
[02:08] <archster> can someone point me to a change log .. from kubuntu-hoary-install-i386.iso - 30-Mar-2005 00:22  584M ** to **  kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso - 07-Apr-2005 07:18  572M
[02:13] <Riddell> archster: hoary-changes mailing list
[02:21] <archster> tnx
[02:30] <archster> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hoary-changes/2005-April/date.html  <-- that isn't exactly the kind of change log I'm looking for
[02:31] <archster> I just need the diff between the 2 releases kubuntu-hoary-install-i386.iso and kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[02:34] <Riddell> well all the changes are sent to hoary-changes
[05:36] <Kamion> archster: there is no useful changelog other than package uploads
[05:37] <Kamion> I'm afraid that a lot does change in a week, even the final week leading up to a release
[06:18] <archster> Kamion: I was looking for something like http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 .. as I was looking for the changes to the live cd doing "just do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" as was one suggestion .. just won't do it
[06:19] <Kamion> archster: that changelog looks pretty much like what could be generated by catting all the hoary-changes mails together
[06:20] <Kamion> (ok, the latter is more verbose)
[06:21] <archster> maybe you could suggest *buntu create a web page with that info .. for the masses?
[06:21] <Kamion> I don't think the page you quote is remotely "for the masses" TBH
[06:22] <Kamion> the changelog entries are available in a friendly form via update-manager
[06:22] <Kamion> (in Ubuntu, probably not Kubuntu yet, dunno)
[06:22] <archster> it's a very evident click here link on their pages .. as opposed to joining a developers list is what I meant
[06:22] <Kamion> that's why update-manager exists
[06:23] <archster> if u have it installed yes? what about if ur using the live cd?
[06:23] <Kamion> the changelog entries for a whole distribution are just far too verbose for normal people to read in total
[06:23] <Kamion> the only thing it's sanely possible to do for normal people is to create a release-announcement-style summary
[06:23] <archster> ok I just wondered the diff in mar 30 to apr 8
[06:24] <Kamion> by running a preview release you're implicitly agreeing to act a bit like a developer ;)
[06:24] <archster> I already had the one burned when I find there is another version
[06:24] <archster> lol
[06:25] <archster> this is about like knoppix .. I burn it one day and they release a new one the next
[06:26] <Kamion> fast-moving development's like that - we only release *stable* versions every six months though
[06:26] <archster> yea but both releases I hve seen say 5.04
[06:26] <archster> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/current/
[06:26] <archster> kubuntu-hoary-install-i386.iso            30-Mar-2005 00:22  584M
[06:26] <archster> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[06:26] <archster> kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso            07-Apr-2005 07:18  572M
[06:27] <archster> same with the live ones ..
[06:27] <Kamion> only the -5.04- ones are final releases
[06:27] <Kamion> notice that the release candidate doesn't say that
[06:27] <archster> oh well no big deal I guess just get to the store and buy more cd's ;-\
[06:28] <Kamion> I've removed the 'current' symlink from /kubuntu/releases/hoary/
[06:28] <Kamion> it's still there as .../rc/
[06:28] <archster> might also tell distro watch the links
[06:29] <archster> I hd started there with all this 2 days ago
[06:31] <Kamion> distrowatch's link on the front page appears to be current
[06:31] <archster> the deal was I had part of this stuff downloaded when a power outage reset my box .. so I had to start again .. and then I got to digging and was totally confused as I has the march 30 stuff and then wanted to know if the diff was worth anothe 4 cd download (ubuntu and kubuntu)
[06:32] <Kamion> rsync
[06:32] <archster> to download the april 8 stuff
[06:32] <Kamion> yes, use rsync to just get the differences
[06:32] <Kamion> although for a week it might still take a while
[06:32] <archster> hmm the names are different would rsync work?
[06:33] <archster> there is only 12mb diff
[06:33] <Kamion> if you give the target name explicitly, yes
[06:33] <Kamion> that's the diff in *size*, plenty in the remaining 572MB changed though
[06:33] <Kamion> bit of a rash assumption to think that it's just 12MB tacked onto the end ;)
[06:34] <archster> lol my mind is getting more confused by the min .. I'll just redownload it all and go to store for more cd's .... this 5.04 is the last stable thing for a month or so isn't it?
[06:34] <archster> well I figured 12 mb of diff vs of something
[06:35] <Kamion> I've mailed distrowatch asking them to correct the link on http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=kubuntu
[06:35] <archster> when do u anticipate the next release?
[06:35] <Kamion> releases are every six months like clockwork
[06:36] <archster> k so I got 6 mo to run the april 8 one .. that's worth it
[06:43] <archster> yea I got all 4 started and they are the april 6,7 or 8 releases
[06:43] <archster> tnx for clearing it up for me
[06:52] <Kamion> np
[08:06] <Riddell> Qerub: is Korundum partof kde bindings or out on its own?
[08:12] <Qerub> Riddell: kdebindings
[08:12] <Qerub> Riddell: i guess it was disabled to let kdebindings into main?
[08:13] <Qerub> i suppose a source package can't have binary packages in both main and universe?
[08:13] <Riddell> Qerub: it can
[08:13] <Qerub> then i can't see why it was disabled.
[08:15] <Qerub> can you? :)
[08:15] <Riddell> no idea I'm afraid, haggai made kdebindings
[08:16] <Qerub> yer...
[08:39] <Kamion> Qerub: Riddell's right, but: if one binary package is in main then its source package is in main; if a source package is in main then all its build-dependencies must be in main
[08:39] <Kamion> Qerub: so, if some *build*-dependency from universe was required for Korundum, then that may have been disabled for that reason
[08:42] <uniq> kdebindings source is in universe..
[08:44] <Qerub> Kamion: Mmkay. And that build-dependency was probably Ruby :-)
[09:20] <haggai> Qerub: that's right, I was asked not to pull ruby into main
[09:22] <Qerub> Mhmhm. What a pity.
[09:24] <haggai> Qerub: it was a bit close to release time.  I expect we could put it in for breezy
[09:43] <Beineri> How reliable are Torrent stats? :-)  22% of the Hoary downloads were Kubuntu
[11:10] <stonedcoder> Riddell you about?
[11:11] <Riddell> cartel_: a bit
[11:18] <AMIGrAve> hum I switched from gnome to KDE for many years now and I still uses xchat. Are you all using konversation ?
[11:19] <Riddell> secretly we use irssi but don't tell that to cartman
[11:19] <AMIGrAve> :)
[11:22] <AMIGrAve> i've used bitchx a long time ago and got so used to black bg that my eyes hurts when I fist opened konversation :) (I guess it takes 5 second to set up colors for black bg anyway)
[11:24] <cartel_> does konversation support python scripting?
[11:24] <cartel_> what about ksirc?
[11:25] <Riddell> ksirc is some weird c++ wrapper around a perl script, my first ever patch to KDE was to make it beep


[00:08] <glyph> If I'm working on one branch on a few different development machines, but I'm periodically rebasing it, is there a reasonable way to keep it in sync?
[00:09] <lifeless> pull ?
[00:09] <glyph> won't pulling fail if I've rebased on a different machine?
[00:17] <lifeless> if you add --overwrite, no
[02:38] <spiv> Hmm, BranchBuilder is just a bit more verbose than necessary
[02:38] <spiv> I think I'll try making the start_series() unnecessary.
[02:39] <lifeless> one way might be to glue that into setUp ()
[02:40] <spiv> Hmm, perhaps.
[02:41] <spiv> The with statement would be nice to have :/
[02:41] <spiv> Hmm, actually, in this specific case I don't need to call start_series at all, as I'm only using build_commit.
[02:41] <glyph> spiv: do you want a repo that can repro that bug mentioned above?  I notice you commented on it a while ago
[02:42] <spiv> glyph: I should pester jelmer and/or jam
[02:42] <spiv> glyph: the cause of that bug is actually understood now I think
[02:43] <spiv> glyph: peitschie provided enough data privately that we diagnosed it, but the diagnosis ended up happening in private emails and not copied into the bug despite my nagging :(
[02:46] <spiv> glyph: it boils down to: the way bzr-svn regenerates bzr revs from an svn repo can vary in a way that violates assumptions in bzr
[02:50] <glyph> spiv: can you give me a hint as to _when_ this variation occurs?
[02:50] <glyph> I would very much like to continue using bzr as my svn client
[02:50] <glyph> but periodically having to trash all of my data is potentially a problem :)
[02:51] <spiv> glyph: ghost revisions
[02:51] <spiv> glyph: when the svn repo hasn't had all the bzr revs referenced pushed to it
[02:51] <spiv> glyph: then later gets some of those pushed
[02:52] <glyph> huh
[02:52] <glyph> I could swear that's not what happened here
[02:52] <spiv> glyph: it can change the metadata in other inventories that bzr-svn generates
[02:52] <spiv> Well, it might be a different bug, or my recollection of the diagnosis might be a bit off.
[02:52] <spiv> glyph: here's a test:
[02:52] <spiv> glyph: do you get an error when branching from the svn repo into an entirely new bzr repo?
[02:53] <glyph> no.
[02:53] <spiv> And if not, do you get an error when merging/pull between that new repo and a previous bzr repo that has some of the same revs.
[02:53] <glyph> yes?  I think?
[02:53] <spiv> Ok, those are the expected answers :)
[02:53] <glyph> okay so my question is
[02:53] <glyph> what do I avoid doing?
[02:54] <spiv> If it's not the same bug it's certainly related.
[02:54] <glyph> The thing that confuses me is that I don't believe any of these bzr revs were ever pushed to svn
[02:54] <spiv> glyph: there's zero bzr metadata in your svn repo?
[02:54] <glyph> oh
[02:54] <glyph> there is some.
[02:54] <spiv> No bzr file-ids, no bzr rev-ids?
[02:54] <glyph> Should I go delete it all?
[02:55] <glyph> I tried to avoid any getting in there, but dash is always like "no, bzr-svn works great, I haven't seen a traceback in like a week" push push push
[02:55] <spiv> Well, if you delete it you'll have a different problem, but perhaps a better one.
[02:55] <spiv> You're using dpush or whatever the rebasing thingy is, IIRC?
[02:55] <dash> yeah i'm not a good neighbour
[02:56] <glyph> Personally yes
[02:56] <dash> OTOH i've been using bzr-svn in a different svn repo with no problems... but i'm the only bzr user there :)
[02:56] <glyph> spiv: this actually happened about 2 hours before I was going to decide that bzr-svn _did_ work well enough to start putting bzr metadata in Twisted's repository :)
[02:56] <spiv> So I think the effect that has is that it basically rebases the local bzr revs after the push to svn... the key thing here is that you have a bzr rev that is meant to be equivalent to an svn rev.
[02:56] <glyph> (we recently configured trac to be amenable)
[02:57] <glyph> spiv: right.  it's like rebase++ though, right?  because it has a bit more information than rebase
[02:57] <glyph> (I say this because I tried some experiments with 'rebase' and then 'push' and the effects were radically different)
[02:58] <spiv> And if you delete the bzr metadata from svn, that bzr rev won't match anymore.  I don't know enough about the exact details of bzr-svn and dpush to say what will happen, it might be minor irritant, or it might be an equivalently bad situation to the current one.
[02:59] <spiv> If the effect is "after stripping bzr properties bzr-svn will generate bzr revs with the same id as before but different contents", you have basically the same class of problem.
[03:00] <spiv> If the effect is "after stripping bzr-svn generates entirely new bzr revs with new ids", then you just have basically a rebase situation, where there's a conflicting alternate history, but at least no actual violation of bzr's data model.
[03:01] <spiv> FWIW, my current guess is that bzr-svn can be fairly easily fixed to not vary the way it generates this data.
[03:02] <spiv> Hmm, I should get some lunch.
[03:02] <glyph> OK I will have more questions once you have lunched :)
[03:22] <peitschie> glyph: you still around?
[03:25] <glyph> peitschie: hello!
[03:27] <peitschie> glyph: hi :)... did you have any joy getting the answers you were looking for (i.e., bzr-svn with multiple devs using bzr)?
[03:31] <glyph> peitschie: Sort of :)
[03:31] <glyph> I'm about to give it a try and see what happens
[03:36] <peitschie> glyph: cool.  let me know if things don't go well for you as we have a process here that is working ok for several devs... but it requires a shared network repository of some sort and a bit of careful planning (robust enough once the devs are trained tho lol)
[04:45] <spiv> glyph: so, more questions?
[04:49] <glyph> spiv: well, I can't reproduce the problem without my special messed-up repo
[04:49] <glyph> so I'm going to assume that I did something bad
[04:50] <fullermd> That's my motto.
[05:09] <peitschie> lol fullermd
[05:09] <peitschie> glyph: the problem is actually reasonably straight forward to reproduce if you check out the bug report :)
[05:10] <peitschie> glyph: having said that tho... you generally need to separate devs (or deliberately be working on two different repos) to trigger it
[05:12] <peitschie> glyph: main reproduction steps are:
[05:12] <peitschie> 1. dev1 merges branch into svn
[05:12] <peitschie> 2. dev2 updates from svn
[05:12] <peitschie> 3. dev2 attempts to merge change directly from dev1's branch somewhere
[05:12] <peitschie> 4. Profit!
[05:20] <glyph> peitschie: yeah, that's definitely not what I was seeing
[05:20] <glyph> basically what I saw was
[05:20] <glyph> I got a bzr branch from svn trunk on two different machines
[05:20] <glyph> made a bzr branch of that on one
[05:20] <glyph> checked in one revision to that branch
[05:21] <glyph> and then attempted to get the branch from another machine
[05:21] <glyph> but when I got new repos on the defective machine and tried again, everything worked.
[05:22] <spiv> glyph: "I got a bzr branch from svn trunk on two different machines" — did you get both those branches from SVN at the same time?
[05:22] <peitschie> glyph: and it will.. up until the other machine checks in again
[05:22] <peitschie> glyph: in _theory_ (i.e., if this is the same bug :)  ), wen the other machine checks in ,and the first updates again... any attempts to trade between them will break once again
[05:24] <glyph> spiv: No.  I'm not really sure when I updated svn from each.  I _am_ pretty sure that no bzr-props-adding activity was going on between them though.
[05:24] <spiv> glyph: interesting, but other svn activity may have gone on?
[05:25] <dash> weird, i've never seen this
[05:25] <spiv> glyph: btw, if you want to find out if a set of repositories have this inconsistency waiting to bite you:
[05:25] <glyph> spiv: Yes.
[05:26] <dash> i've seen some odd messages from bzr-svn use from time to time, but it's always gone away after doing a pull from svn into a new branch in my repo, then pulling from the fresh branch into my normal one
[05:26] <spiv> glyph: grab lp:~spiv/bzr-crosscheck/integration and install it to ~/.bazaar/plugins/crosscheck, then you can do "bzr cross-check REPO_A REPO_B ..."
[05:26] <glyph> spiv: what does that do?
[05:27] <spiv> glyph: (that plugin almost certainly has rough edges, but it's one of the things I've been using to diagnose this sort of problem)
[05:27] <glyph> Oh, hrm
[05:27] <glyph> Here's an interesting clue.
[05:27] <glyph> our repo has 2 URIs
[05:27] <spiv> glyph: it basically finds all the inventories that exist in more than one repo (out of the N repos you pass it)
[05:28] <glyph> http://svn.calendarserver.org/repository/calendarserver and http://svn.macosforge.org/repository/calendarserver
[05:28] <spiv> glyph: and then compares them to see if they have the same contents
[05:29] <spiv> Because bzr assumes that records with the same key in multiple repositories have the same contents.
[05:29] <spiv> And if that assumption is violated then problems like this are to be expected :(
[05:29] <glyph> spiv: OK!
[05:34]  * spiv notices he has some uncommitted, experimental improvements to bzr-crosscheck.  He commits and pushes them up to a new branch...
[08:05] <spiv> Wow, where did the week go?
[08:12] <mgz> somewhere in america I think spiv.
[10:02] <yann2> hello! When a developer pushes to a branch, the files are set with permissions = 644 .... How can I change the umask so I get 664?
[10:09] <Tak> usually the default umask on a unix box is set in /etc/profile
[10:10] <Tak> or you can set the umask for a given user in its ~/.profile
[10:10] <Tak> now what's the best way to test a trunk branch of bzr-explorer (when I already have one installed with my system bzr)?
[10:12] <GaryvdM> Tak: bzr branch lp:bzr-explorer ~/bzr-explorer
[10:13] <GaryvdM> Tak: export BZR_PLUGINS_AT=explorer@/home/tak/bzr-explorer
[10:13] <Tak> aha
[10:15] <ChrisCauser> Hello everyone. Have I come to the right channel for bzr-svn support?
[10:16] <GaryvdM> ChrisCauser: Yes
[10:16] <ChrisCauser> Thank you. I am not having a problem as such, merely an annoyance.
[10:17] <ChrisCauser> I have an svn repo with different branches. I have two mirrored in a local bzr repository
[10:17] <ChrisCauser> (As in I checkout'd them, not branched them)
[10:17] <GaryvdM> BZR_PLUGINS_AT has made my life much easier. Before, I had to use a horrible mixture of lightweight checkouts, treeless branches, bzr switch, and BZR_PLUGIN_PATH
[10:17] <GaryvdM> Kudos vila!
[10:17] <Tak> that does sound horrible
[10:17] <ChrisCauser> I make changes in the DEV branch just fine, and merge them into my trunk branch
[10:18]  * Tak add kudos as well
[10:18] <ChrisCauser> The only problem is I cannot pull from DEV to trunk
[10:18] <ChrisCauser> I get a diverged error.
[10:18] <GaryvdM> ChrisCauser: Yes - you probably need to merge, not pull
[10:19] <ChrisCauser> I know the histories are not in sync because of the merges I have done in the past, but is there a way to put that behind me (as it were) and allow pulling
[10:19] <ChrisCauser> Because a merge squashes it for SVN
[10:21] <peitschie_> ChrisCauser: is the dev branch an actual svn branch?
[10:21] <GaryvdM> ChrisCauser: maybe pull trunk into dev. I would recomend doing "bzr qlog trunk dev" before and after so that you get an understanding of what it does.
[10:23] <ChrisCauser> Peitschie: Yes, it is. I know the squash merge is no worse than what SVN does naturally, but I just wanted to see all the commits I've made in trunk.
[10:23] <ChrisCauser> GaryvdM: Thank you for the advice. I will give that a go now.
[10:24] <ChrisCauser> GaryvdM: I am afraid it does not pull because they have diverged as well.
[10:26] <GaryvdM> ChrisCauser: qlog should show you how they have diverged. maybe merge dev in to trunk, then pull trunk into dev.
[10:30] <ChrisCauser> GaryvdM: According to qlog, the diversion is because of the last merge to trunk I made. Other than that it looks fine. From the looks of how bzr is handling the merges, this will always be a problem no matter how I merge it.
[10:31] <peitschie_> ChrisCauser: I fear that there is no easy way to get all commits in either direction.. at least, not when the dev branch is in svn as well
[10:31] <peitschie_> ChrisCauser: you might be interested in the rebase plugin... but really you need your dev branch in bzr for that functionality
[10:33] <ChrisCauser> peitschie_: That's what I feared. Again, this isn't a problem. It's merely something that's been bugging me.
[10:34] <ChrisCauser> Thank you all for your help. Merging I guess is the only way forward.
[13:34] <peitschie_> can anyone help me with installing the monodevelop-bzr plugin with the monodevelop trunk?
[13:34] <Tak> yes, I can :-)
[13:34] <peitschie_> :D
[13:35] <peitschie_> yas!
[13:35] <peitschie_> i finally got everything compiled and installed
[13:35] <peitschie_> wat's the next step?
[13:36] <Tak> ok, the easiest way is to add the community repo from addins.monodevelop.com using MD's addin manager
[13:36] <peitschie_> i've tried the instructions from http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/MonoDevelop
[13:36] <peitschie_> and it crashes wen i load it
[13:38] <Tak> yes, those need to be updated :-/
[13:39] <peitschie_> so i'm assuming i can branch to within the monodevelop source (i.e., extras) and rebuild it there somehow?
[13:39] <Tak> even easier
[13:39] <peitschie_> yay :D
[13:40] <Tak> if you add http://addins.monodevelop.com/Alpha/Linux/master  using the addin manager
[13:41] <Tak> you should be able to install it directly from there
[13:41] <Tak> be sure to install a version from the 2.5 series if you're using MD master
[13:42] <peitschie_> mm
[13:42] <peitschie_> i must have done something wrong
[13:43] <peitschie_> that added and installed ok
[13:43] <peitschie_> but still crashes
[13:43] <Tak> then restart MD
[13:43] <Tak> well
[13:43] <Tak> make sure you uninstall the other addin as well
[13:45] <peitschie_> ok... it's working a little
[13:45] <peitschie_> annotate shows log lol
[13:45] <peitschie_> i think i have an off-by-one error somewhere here
[13:46] <Tak> heh...MD master may occasionally have silly bugs ;-)
[13:46] <peitschie_> hehe... if it's not bleeding it aint fresh enough!
[14:41] <mwhudson>   1073kB    29kB/s / Fetching revisions:Inserting stream:Estimate 5736/2478
[14:41] <mwhudson> this doesn't seem quite right
[15:04] <mssever> I need to get a list of filesnames that have been modified or added since a particular revision, and a list of filenames that have been deleted. How can I do that?
[15:05] <LeoNerd> bzr stat -r123
[15:05] <mssever> Thanks.
[15:06] <mssever> Somehow I missed that in the docs. It works OK.
[15:08] <LeoNerd> Mm.. I find it's a lot like Lego. A set of commands, a set of options... Hard to document every possible combination of options on commands.
[15:47] <poolie> poolie_droid, hello?
[15:48] <poolie_droid> Hi there
[15:48] <GaryvdM> mwhudson: You are not the only one to have seen that - http://osdir.com/ml/bazaar/2010-10/msg00381.html
[15:49] <GaryvdM> mwhudson: so I think a bug report is in order.
[15:50] <poolie> hi gary
[15:50] <GaryvdM> Hi poolie
[15:50] <GaryvdM> How has uds been so far?
[15:55] <poolie_droid> excellent, bit manic though
[15:55] <poolie_droid> i hope we can invite you to the next one in Europe in May
[15:55] <GaryvdM> :-)
[18:48] <rubbs> bzr: ERROR: Failed to rename .../dev/www/login/index.php to .../dev/.bzr/checkout/pending-deletion\new-16: [Error 5] Access is denied <- coworker gets this error when trying to merge in his changes into the dev branch. Permissions problem?
[18:49] <rubbs> the weird thing is that I did a chmod -R 775 on the whole repo and double checked to make sure he was in the right group
[18:49] <beuno> rubbs, yes, in the .bzr/* dir
[18:49] <rubbs> k. I'll double check, but I thought I did a recursive group change and chmod 775 on it
[19:05] <rubbs> ok I did a chmod -R g+rwxs and chgrp -R staff on the .bzr directories on each of the branches, the .bzr dir in the shared repo location, and on all the bound branch locations, but I'm still getting that access denied error
[19:06] <rubbs> could it be he's doing this over a mounted sshfs?
[19:27] <rubbs> Ok, can someone help me figure this out. I've pasted the .bzr.log messages into this paste: http://paste.ubuntu.com/522232/  I also added a ls -Rlh on the .bzr directory of the /dev/ branch. both user1 and user2 are in the staff group.
[19:52] <rubbs> hmmm... looks like it's something with the bound branch. once I unbound the branch everything worked fine
[22:06] <poolie> hi there vila
[22:16] <poolie_droid> Hi vila, everyone
[22:36] <poolie_droid> Hi AfC
[22:37] <fullermd> The machines!  They're taking over!
[22:38] <poolie_droid> :)
[22:38] <poolie_droid> *zap*
[22:39] <AfC> fullermd: it's ok. Droids can't think
[22:40] <fullermd> That's just what they WANT you to think.
[23:25] <glen> i created tag wrong, now i can fix it locally but i fail to push it back to launchpad
[23:26] <glen> complains on conflicting tags and i can't resolve that
[23:30] <fullermd> Does --overwrite make it force tags?
[23:30]  * fullermd doesn't remember.
[23:34] <glen> boverwrite to which command? push?
[23:34] <glen> i can fix locally ok, problem is that it won't go "up". i.e bzr push does not replicate the fixed tag, instead it aborts on conflict error
[23:34] <fullermd> Yah.
[23:37] <glen> ok thanks


[02:27] <morphineinduced> hey is there a forum for this distro..... or do they only help in the irc
[03:13] <gctaylor> Anybody in here?
[03:14] <gctaylor> Can anyone tell me how to force a ltsp client to use a specific resolution?  What I want is not listed in the dropdown.
[03:15] <gctaylor> Editing /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't seem to help.  I see checksum or timestamp errors when the client is booting.
[03:48] <blt4mud> has anyone got edubuntu runing on laptop using wireless?
[06:01] <TOZTWO> Is there any software in edubuntu that teaches people to read?
[09:30] <JaneW> hi all
[09:30] <JaneW> ogra
[09:33] <Burglaptop> salut JaneW
[09:33] <JaneW> hi Burglaptop
[09:34] <JaneW> Burglaptop: I was caned yesterday for leaking info to you! ;)
[09:35] <Burglaptop> JaneW: I see. By whom?
[09:35] <Burglaptop> I don't intend to blog about it, if that is a concern
[09:35] <JaneW> Burglaptop: by jdub - so it was kinda fun...
[09:36] <Burglaptop> what did he say?
[09:36] <JaneW> yes said he heard I had been leaking out info of the UWC
[09:37] <JaneW> I told him our e-mail didn't say it was confidential so there :P
[09:40] <Burglaptop> well I did email jdub and ask him straight up for sponsorship to Barcelona
[09:41] <Burglaptop> I figured that I should go big or go home
[09:47] <Burglaptop> JaneW: bon nuit
[09:48] <Burglaptop> bonne nuit, even
[09:48] <JaneW> night :)
[09:52] <spacey> whats Burgworks name again?
[09:52] <spacey> can't associate the nickname
[10:00] <jsgotangco> Corey Burger
[10:02] <spacey> aaaah
[10:02] <spacey> doh
[10:02] <spacey> i that then his nick was burgundia or something
[10:03] <spacey> i guess this is the short version
[10:04] <jsgotangco> its probably his computer at work
[10:23] <JaneW> spacey: it was Burgundavia (Or something like that)
[10:23] <spacey> yeh
[10:23] <spacey> too difficult
[10:24] <JaneW> guys we have a national public holidat tomorrow, for our Municipal Elections
[10:24] <JaneW> holiday even
[10:24] <spacey> thats nice
[10:24] <spacey> :)
[10:24] <JaneW> can someone else volunteer to run the weekly meeting?
[10:24] <JaneW> I am voting, to hopefully improve on our municupal services, like POWER!
[10:24] <spacey> :D
[10:25] <spacey> long waiting line?
[10:25] <spacey> agenda is already there?
[10:26] <jsgotangco> i can do it
[10:27] <jsgotangco> usual edubuntu meetings are just 8pm on my side
[11:54] <spacey> hmm
[11:55] <spacey> how can i block certain users of using X
[11:55] <spacey> read thinclient
[02:24] <m1ckeyknox> good morning folks!
[02:25] <m1ckeyknox> could anybody say if the i386 download on edubuntu.org is a live cd or an installation?
[02:26] <ogra> m1ckeyknox, the breezy version only has a install iso
[02:26] <m1ckeyknox> is there a live cd available someplace?
[02:26] <ogra> for dapper (the april release) there is a liveCd ... but its still in development ...
[02:27] <m1ckeyknox> I see. so... in a few more months you think?
[02:27] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/
[02:27] <ogra> if you want to test it :)
[02:27] <ogra> note that the liveCD innstaller on this CD is in its early stages ...
[02:28] <m1ckeyknox> myself... I'd love to... but I was hoping to be able to give the cd to my wife to have her try with a 5 yr old that she is watching for a friend.
[02:28] <m1ckeyknox> We have a 3mo old son... and I'm looking forward to software like this progressing
[02:28] <m1ckeyknox> figured we could use somebody else's kid as a guniea pig!
[02:28] <m1ckeyknox> ;-)
[02:28] <zakame> evening Edubunteros! :D
[02:28] <ogra> heh
[02:28] <ogra> hey zakame
[02:29] <zakame> hello ogra! :-)
[02:44] <JaneW> spacey: nice lab :))
[02:47] <spacey> thanks:)
[02:47] <spacey> well actually its the whole school
[02:47] <spacey> lab itself its quite small
[02:55] <spacey> there are pc's in every classroom
[03:02] <JaneW> nice :)
[03:02] <JaneW> what ages are the children?
[05:10] <bobulator> does anyone know how i can copy my whole home directory and keep the ownership and permissons in tact?
[05:39] <m1ckeyknox> alright folks... I think I'm gonna stop idling in here... be back some other time. ;-)
[06:35] <bobulator> rarggh, and can smeone please tell me how i can set the max resolution for thin clients? i just cant remeber what file it is...
[06:36] <ogra> set HORIZ_SYNC and VERT_REFRESH in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
[06:37] <bobulator> ta!
[06:38] <ogra> see the exact params here: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtsConfParams
[06:38] <bobulator> sorry, i meant bit depth
[06:38] <bobulator> ah thanks!
[06:38] <ogra> color depth is only implemented in dapper ...
[06:39] <bobulator> yeha im on dapper
[06:39] <knight> you on dapper
[06:39] <knight> cool
[06:39] <knight> question
[06:40] <knight> I have a thin client running tuxtype
[06:40] <knight> but it runs choppy
[06:41] <knight> I was told to compress the network connection but I still have a problem
[06:42] <bobulator> hmm, im sure you got me to set the bit depth before.  because laods of these graphics cards dont support 24 bit...
[06:44] <bobulator> i definately edited some file that put it down to 8 bit :p
[06:46] <knight> ok how do I do that
[06:46] <bobulator> haha hang on, you need ogra not me
[06:46] <knight> ok
[06:47] <knight> thanks bobulator
[06:47] <knight> listen how is the experience on dapper
[06:51] <bobulator> i like it
[07:00] <TOZTWO> Is there any software in edubuntu that teaches people to read?
[07:03] <ogra_> gcompris ?
[07:05] <knight> now
[07:05] <knight> how doo I make tuxtype work smoothly in a thin client
[07:07] <stendhal> hello
[07:07] <stendhal> you use edubuntu lol ?
[07:09] <ogra_> why lol ?
[07:10] <knight> yes
[07:10] <knight> I am using edubuntu
[07:10] <knight> the version for the tuxtype software is 1.0
[07:16] <knight> Hello
[07:16] <knight> any helo
[07:16] <knight> help with the choppy graphics for tuxtype
[07:18] <TOZTWO> I think that tuxtypes choppiness comes from too much network traffic......
[07:19] <TOZTWO> But I've been told that I was wrong about that....
[07:19] <knight> ok
[07:19] <knight> so
[07:20] <TOZTWO> If tuxtype has music, try turning it off.
[07:20] <knight> no music at all
[07:20] <knight> no sound on thin clients
[07:22] <TOZTWO> I thought that tuxtype might be a good candidate for localapps, because of all the keyboard events, timimg, and screen updates.
[07:23] <ogra_> its also very cpu intensive ...
[07:23] <knight> ok
[07:23] <knight> I have 512 ram in the client
[07:24] <knight> and 400 mhz pentium II processor
[07:25] <ogra_> that should be plenty for normal apps, i'm not sure what makes tuxtype so power hungry, but its a fact that it behaves this way ... i'll try to track that for the dapper release
[07:33] <knight> Try???
[08:06] <TOZTWO> You can always track it yourself.
[08:19] <knight> track it myself??
[08:20] <TOZTWO> Yup. It's Open Source. I'd track it, but I lack skillz.
[09:12] <singy> hi, doese anyone if there is a reason that there is no edubuntu live?
[09:13] <ogra_> yes, i didnt have time to make more than whats there in breezy, we started very late in the develpment cycle ...
[09:14] <ogra_> this changed for the upcoming release :)
[09:14] <ogra_> here is an alpha release of the upcoming april version of edubuntu, including a live CD
[09:14] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/
[09:15] <singy> Ah thanks, I think its very important for edubuntu, tu show it in schools ........
[09:16] <ogra_> yup
[09:16] <juliux> ogra_, evening
[09:16] <ogra_> hey juliux
[09:17] <juliux> ogra_, it is possible that you send ous for the linuxtag in wiesbaden some thinclients so we can show that you can use every kind of thinclient?
[09:17] <ogra> juliux, i'm pretty sure i'll be there anyway :)
[09:17] <juliux> the idea is to have a little lab there on the booth
[09:17] <juliux> cool
[09:18] <juliux> that is great
[09:35] <roy_> Anyone here?
[09:35] <Burgwork> nope, not really
[09:36] <Burgwork> :P
[09:36] <roy_> Could you answer a couple of questions?
[09:37] <roy_> :orga
[09:37] <roy_> :ogra
[09:39] <Burgwork> roy_, sure
[09:40] <roy_> Will sound work on the clients
[09:41] <roy_> And I noticed that only one session of firefox can be opened at one time
[09:42] <roy_> I have a 64bit edubuntu server with the 32bit client installed
[09:42] <roy_> I am using flight 4
[09:44] <ogra> sound should work if you enable it in the lts.conf file
[09:44] <ogra> just set SOUND=Y or SOUND=True there
[09:45] <roy_> gotcha just like k12ltsp
[09:51] <roy_> There is no lts.conf in the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc directory. Do I create it there based on the /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts.conf
[09:54] <ogra> just create one with the line:
[09:55] <ogra> [default]     SOUND=Y
[09:55] <ogra> that should do it
[10:03] <roy_> thanks : )
[10:03] <roy_> How about the firefox issue? Does it have something to do with my server being 64bit?
[10:04] <ogra> i havent heard about such an issue yet...
[10:05] <ogra> you are using different user accounts and the second one cant start firefox ?
[10:06] <roy_> As I sent it I realized my duh! Exactly I was trying it with the same account I am logged on the server with
[10:08] <ogra> i'll look into that issue (multiple users with same account) for the next release, i want a kiosk mode with optional auto login for october ...
[10:09] <roy_> I have to admit I impressed so far. Very clean. Nice work.
[10:10] <roy_> I just tried the audio and still no luck. Do I tweak the ltsfile like I did in K12?
[10:13] <trev0r> Where can I find more information about TeachersPet?  I think I'd like to help develop it
[10:14] <ogra> roy_, there should be no further need for tweaks, it should work out of the box
[10:14] <ogra> trev0r, the initial attempt is in dapper, apt-get source student-control-panel
[10:14] <trev0r> Do you know if they are still using pygtk like the wiki says?
[10:15] <trev0r> (I'm not on a machine where I can check easily right now)
[10:15] <Burgwork> trev0r, the only developer of teacherspet is ogra
[10:16] <ogra> trev0r, yes, its still using pygtk
[10:16] <ogra> i also have a bzr archive of it, if you want to branch
[10:17] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/
[10:18] <trev0r> Currently I only have a Macintosh install at my home, so I'll test when I'm at school
[10:18] <trev0r> I'll give the source a looking over, though
[10:18] <ogra> oki
[10:19] <ogra> there is a lot disabled code in the current release thats not mature enough yet ...
[10:20] <trev0r> So Teacher's Pet probably won't be ready until Dapper+1?
[10:20] <trev0r> (Is that still the name?)
[10:21] <ogra> nope, student-control-panel is the name, teachers pet is only the spec
[10:21] <trev0r> Oh, ok
[10:22] <ogra> the current version can show logged in users, enables you to view their processes and to log them out ...
[10:22] <trev0r> Ok
[10:22] <ogra> since we doint have any other app thats working with ubuntu ltsp yet, thats how it will go into dapper
[10:23] <ogra> to give you at least the features that are available already
[10:24] <trev0r> I'm not even 100% sure that the Edubuntu install I have is going to work now.  I just pressed enter a few times and now that I am looking at InstallNotes wiki page, I think I needed to type workstation besides just hitting <enter> at boot
[10:25] <trev0r> I will see tomorrow morning.  I just left the install going and left
[10:25] <ogra> if you want to work on s-c-p, a ltsp environment is quite handy to test your features :)
[10:26] <trev0r> Basically we have a ton of old old computers, just pentium with 64mb of ram and 6gb of disk space
[10:26] <trev0r> Yea, so do I need to install server or workstation on another one now?
[10:27] <trev0r> Because I guess I have a ltsp install going
[10:27] <ogra> if you did the default install, you should just follow the install notes, edit your dhcpd.conf as advised there and then just boot a PXE driven thin client ...
[10:27] <trev0r> I'm not sure what PXE means
[10:27] <ogra> should work out of the box...
[10:28] <ogra> PXE is the network bootprotocol we use by default
[10:28] <ogra> its built in in most newer network cards
[10:28] <trev0r> So the thin clients boot from a server?
[10:29] <ogra> the network card asks for an ip and for a kernel ... the server provides that kernel which then boots the workstation
[10:29] <trev0r> Ok
[10:29] <trev0r> So tomorrow I will do a server install
[10:29] <ogra> during boot the wrokstation mounts the filesystem from the server via the network
[10:29] <trev0r> Probably should have done that first
[10:29] <ogra> the default install is a server install
[10:29] <trev0r> Oh, my terms I messed up, :)
[10:30] <trev0r> So the workstation is the thin client?
[10:30] <ogra> the so called "server" install is sadly inherited from ubuntu, the appropriate name would be "minimal"
[10:30] <ogra> it only installs a bare minimum system that can boot, no software at all
[10:30] <trev0r> Ahh, ok
[10:30] <ogra> the workstation install is for standalone desktops
[10:31] <ogra> and the default install is in fact a classroom ltsp server ...
[10:31] <trev0r> Ok, I am going to need to put another network card in the server then, I think
[10:31] <ogra> and for ltsp you dont need to install anything on the clients ... they netboot
[10:31] <ogra> if you dont have PXE capable network cards, you will need a bootfloppy or CD
[10:32] <trev0r> Well I will just see tomorrow if they are PXE capable :)
[10:32] <trev0r> Possibly, anyways.  Installs take forever on these machines
[10:32] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe
[10:32] <ogra> as i said, you wont need to install anything on them
[10:33] <trev0r> Not even "workstation" mode?
[10:33] <trev0r> Ahh, ok
[10:33] <trev0r> I reread what you said
[10:33] <trev0r> Sorry :)
[10:33] <ogra> workstation mode is for students that use edubuntu at home on a single computer
[10:34] <trev0r> Ok ok ok, gotcha now
[10:34] <trev0r> Right now my server has one network card which is getting internet access from a switch in the room
[10:35] <trev0r> <IP_ADDRESS> is its IP
[10:35] <trev0r> Should I put another network card in it and then plug it into another switch and then run a cord from a switch to each "thin client"?
[10:36] <ogra> thats a possible setup, yes
[10:36] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiring
[10:36] <ogra> has some examples
[10:37] <trev0r> Cool
[10:37] <trev0r> Yea, the two network card setup is definitely the one I need to get going
[10:38] <trev0r> That is the way all out computer laps are setup now
[10:38] <trev0r> our*
[10:38] <trev0r> The are Windows machines, currently
[10:40] <ogra> if you netboot, you can even leave the old windows on the disks ;)
[10:42] <trev0r> Cool, so I could just walk into a computer lab with a edubuntu server and get the whole lab going pretty quickly then?
[10:43] <ogra> if the clients all have pxe capable network cards, its a no brainer, yes :)
[10:43] <ogra> if not, you have to make bootfloppies/bootCDs for the clients first
[10:43] <ogra> to teach the cards to do network booting :)
[10:43] <trev0r> I guess I just tell the BIOS to boot from the network card, if possible, first?
[10:44] <ogra> yup
[10:44] <ogra> thats normally PXE
[10:44] <trev0r> Neato, this is even easier than I thought it was going to be
[10:44] <trev0r> I guess the clients save files to something like an NFS volume on the server?
[10:45] <ogra> nope
[10:45] <trev0r> Where to then?
[10:45] <ogra> the clients mount their root fs via nfs from the server, start an X server and a login manager ...
[10:45] <ogra> if you log in in that application, they simply do: ssh -X serverip
[10:46] <ogra> which means you work directly on the server ...
[10:46] <ogra> imagine the clients like additional mice keyboards and diaplays to one big computer (the server) where everybody does his work
[10:46] <ogra> *displays
[10:47] <ogra> everything ahppens centralized ...
[10:47] <ogra> *happens
[10:47] <ogra> so you install an app only one time and its available for everyone ....
[10:47] <ogra> you only have to make backups of a single machine etc
[10:47] <trev0r> So the server stores all the files for a thin client, so they can log in from any computer and still get their files?
[10:48] <ogra> make a difference between users and clients :)
[10:48] <ogra> clients are only the keaboard/mouse/monitor device ...
[10:48] <roy_> ogra: The sound works on 2 pcs and not on 2 others. Can I tweak the lts.conf file by adding the mac and then the module perameters?
[10:48] <trev0r> Ok, will s/thin client/user/
[10:48] <ogra> users log in on the server and have their files stored there ...
[10:49] <ogra> roy_, try it, thats untested yet :)
[10:49] <trev0r> Ok, thats my question :)
[10:50] <trev0r> Do most network cards from ~6-7 years ago have PXE?
[10:50] <trev0r> Possibly newer
[10:50] <trev0r> I think that is when we last replaced them
[10:51] <ogra> might be ... if ou have the networkboot bios option, its likely to be PXE
[10:52] <trev0r> Well I'm not sure if it is there, I just figured it would be
[10:52] <trev0r> I'll be sure to come on tomorrow after I try
[10:53] <ogra> any time you like :)
[10:55] <trev0r> Now I am getting sick at how many machines we have thrown away
[10:55] <ogra> heh
[10:56] <trev0r> Is there a place I can see how well edubuntu runs on older machines?  Like other people's experiences?
[10:56] <Burgwork> trev0r, talk to me in six months I should be able to give you a good idea of it
[10:57] <trev0r> I'll try to remember
[10:57] <Burgwork> in a matter of weeks I should be starting to sell Edubuntu and Ubuntu preinstalled recycled computers
[10:57] <ogra> Burgwork, really ?
[10:57] <ogra> WOW
[10:58] <Burgwork> and give away, I might add
[10:58] <Burgwork> something similiar to what whiprush is doing in detroit
[10:58] <ogra> wow
[10:59] <ogra> we'll get a world network for donations :)
[11:00] <roy_> ogra_, I got another one to work I just changed the audio card. Can you direct me to any links on tweaking (tips and tricks) for Edubuntu (LTSP)?
[11:00] <ogra> roy_, not yet, the code isnt even two months old yet :)
[11:01] <ogra> i'm working on the docs for the release though
[11:01] <trev0r> Does anyone know if there is a Linux "learn to type program"?  Because if there is a good one then I know we can replace a whole computer lab at my school
[11:01] <roy_> I love bleeding edge. Anything you would be willing to direct me to would be awesome.
[11:02] <Burgwork> trev0r, there are two bundled with edubuntu. One as part of kdeedu and one called TuxType
[11:03] <ogra> roy_, but if you want to learn to know the code, have a look in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client and /usr/sbin/ldm
[11:03] <trev0r> Burgwork: Ok
[11:03] <ogra> i think the kde one is ktype ...
[11:03] <ogra> tuxtype is rather a game ...
[11:03] <Burgwork> trev0r, TuxType is more game like
[11:03] <ogra> heh
[11:04] <roy_> Thanks
[11:04] <Burgwork> http://tuxtype.sourceforge.net/screens/
[11:04] <roy_> On another subject do you know if Ubuntu (Edubuntu) supports software Raid5 yet?
[11:04] <Burgwork> http://edu.kde.org/ktouch/index.php
[11:04] <ogra> i run it on my personal server
[11:04] <Burgwork> ktouch, not ktype
[11:04] <trev0r> Well the one our keyboarding class uses now is a pretty serious program
[11:04] <ogra> ah, yes ktouch
[11:04] <trev0r> Old, but pretty well designed/written
[11:04] <Burgwork> http://ktouch.sourceforge.net/
[11:05] <trev0r> I'll check them both out
[11:05] <ogra> software raid1 with lvm on top ... runs like a charm, raid5 shouldnt be any problem as well
[11:05] <trev0r> The main thing is that the teacher needs a way to check progress of all students and give grades easily
[11:05] <roy_> Excellent, thanks
[11:06] <trev0r> Also have settings where the student can repeatedly try to get better grades on "tests" :)
[11:06] <Burgwork> trev0r, I don't either is network aware like that
[11:06] <trev0r> Burgwork: I didn't think they would be, but I was hoping
[11:06] <Burgwork> a nice pygtk typing program that was network aware would be great
[11:06] <ogra> gobby
[11:06] <ogra> :)
[11:07] <trev0r> Perhaps I will work on that and let ogra work on s-c-p
[11:07] <Burgwork> trev0r, ogra is the sole dev for edubuntu
[11:07] <ogra> i'm not sure if gobby has a plugin mechanism, but that would be a perfect gobby plugin
[11:08] <Burgwork> gobby needs to be a plugin to gedit, to be honest
[11:08] <ogra> typing tests networked .... you can directly monitor every change a student does
[11:08] <trev0r> I think I'd like to eventually be a Edubuntu dev, but I have a lot to learn
[11:08] <ogra> Burgwork, that too
[11:08] <trev0r> ogra: My friend is a member of 0x539 dev team :)
[11:08] <ogra> trev0r, thats great to hear, dont hassle to ask if you have questions
[11:09] <Burgwork> upstream turned down gobby for the desktop
[11:09] <ogra> cool
[11:09] <trev0r> Burgwork: I think they initially used gedit as some sort of backend but then decided not to for their own reasons
[11:09] <ogra> Burgwork, we had to drop it too ...
[11:09] <Burgwork> but they liked the idea of libgobby
[11:09] <ogra> upstream added a dependency on howl ...
[11:09] <Burgwork> trev0r, to a non-coder, it seems shortsighted
[11:09] <ogra> the last minute before UVF
[11:10] <trev0r> Burgwork: I'm sure they had good reasons, they are pretty capable developers
[11:10] <Burgwork> trev0r, I am certain they did, but still
[11:10] <Burgwork> I understand the gedit has a much nicer plugin system now, tht might have been it
[11:11] <ogra> Burgwork, gedit needs all of gnome ... that isnt windows compatible yet ... gobby runs on win, osX and linux
[11:11] <Burgwork> ya
[11:12] <Burgwork> to be fair, howl is only an issue for about half the linux distros
[11:12] <trev0r> What is the problem with howl?
[11:13] <ogra> licensing
[11:13] <Burgwork> the apsl is not considered free by debian et al
[11:13] <ogra> we cant put it in main
[11:13] <trev0r> Ahh, ok
[11:13] <trev0r> And Gobby depends on howl?
[11:14] <Burgwork> it can
[11:14] <Burgwork> avahi is an lgpl zeroconf framework, but it is fairly new
[11:14] <trev0r> howl is pretty nifty.  I didn't realize it was APSL
[11:14] <ogra> it depends on a howl compatibility laver in avahi ... which will get dropped soon by upstream
[11:15] <Burgwork> trev0r, avahi does the same thing, without the nasty licensing issues
[11:15] <ogra> thats the reason we didnt include it at all in a release we have to support for 3 years
[11:15] <trev0r> I thought ubuntu has 18 months of support?
[11:16] <ogra> +not dapper
[11:16] <ogra> dapper is the first release with 3 year support on the desktop and 5 year support on the server
[11:16] <trev0r> Ahh, ok
[11:16] <trev0r> Thats neat
[11:16] <ogra> every 3rd or fourth release will be like that
[11:18] <Burgwork> hence why it is a great time to be starting to distribute computes with edubuntu and ubuntu one them
[11:18] <ogra> yeah
[11:36] <trev0r> Alright, I will report my experiences tomorrow around this time
[11:36] <trev0r> Bye!
[12:05] <rstory> how much disk space is needed for an edubuntu install?


[01:15] <xubuntu4w> hello
[02:52] <dancemat> Hello :)
[02:53] <diogenes_> hi
[02:53] <dancemat> First time here
[02:53] <dancemat> Not new to Linux though :)
[02:54] <diogenes_> cool
[02:55] <dancemat> How are you?
[02:56] <diogenes_> sleepless, and you?
[02:57] <dancemat> Not too bad thanks :)
[02:58] <dancemat> Have you been running Xubuntu for long? :)
[02:58] <diogenes_> for quite a bit yes.
[02:59] <dancemat> Very good :)
[03:00] <dancemat> I guess it's a matter of resources but I do wish Xubuntu had 5 years of LTS.
[03:00] <diogenes_> yeah that would be handy.
[03:01] <dancemat> Maybe in the future. :)  Who knows.
[03:01] <dancemat> I will probably see how I get on with it.
[03:01] <dancemat> Going to put it on a Asrock Beebox
[03:04] <diogenes_> it looks like intel's nuc.
[03:04] <dancemat> It's really :)
[03:04] <dancemat> But without the NUC pricetag :)
[03:05] <diogenes_> hehe
[03:05] <dancemat> I've gone for the N300 - fanless one
[03:05] <dancemat> *000
[03:05] <dancemat> I think ;)
[03:05] <dancemat> Useful to have on at night - whilst I sleep
[03:06] <diogenes_> ok then come with a feedback on how xubuntu works on it.
[03:08] <dancemat> Will do :)
[03:08] <dancemat> I imagine very well :)
[03:18] <dancemat> Goodbye for now :0
[03:18] <dancemat> :)
[03:18] <diogenes_> see you
[16:31] <gijoe3k> hey folks, do you guys know/recommend any PPAs that would have a bunch of popular Windows Managers, Icons, Styles and other fun theming stuff for XFCE?
[16:31] <gijoe3k> ʘ‿ʘ
[22:01] <Karny> Is there a way to boost the wifi card in Xubuntu so it can pick up wifi in the area? I fixed the issue earlier where it wasn't able to pick up any wifi. Now it sometimes captures wifi in the area but not mine. I had to travel 30 minutes away to use an ethernet to do that. So I was banking on this fixing the entire issue.
[22:05] <tomreyn> there is probably some wireless channels on freenode where fplks can provide better suggestions on making your wireless work best.
[22:05] <tomreyn> it will more likel yinvolve physical changes than software changes
[22:06] <tomreyn> such as positioning and directing antennas properly, or to attach a better antenna
[22:11] <Karny> that makes sense, Im brand new here
[22:12] <tomreyn> !alis
[22:26] <Karny> thank you for this info
[22:36] <tomreyn> you're welcome :)