[12:26] <Sharn> Anyone know if Envy sets the default to XGL?
[12:27] <Sharn> Or if there's a way to check?
[12:27] <frojnd> am.. what about ed2k client such as amule for kubuntu
[12:28] <Sharn> ed2k?
[12:28] <frojnd> u know ed2k links..
[12:28] <frojnd> amule?
[12:28] <Sharn> You can use amule in Xubuntu if it works in Kubuntu
[12:29] <frojnd> it seems so :)
[12:30] <jlamr> is xfce the only desktop that comes standard w/ xubuntu
[12:30] <cellofellow> yes
[12:31] <cellofellow> there isn't anything else. You could install fluxbox if you're feeling really light, WindowMaker if you like that sort of thing, or Enlightenment 16.
[12:31] <jlamr> there are others, I assume? Any recommendations?
[12:32] <jlamr> need light
[12:32] <cellofellow> lightest I'd ever use is Blackbox. There's also IceWM and JWM.
[12:32] <cellofellow> well, Hackerbox is so light that it's nothing but window borders.
[12:33] <jlamr> is it like switching between themes - I dont want get rid od xfce until i find a better one
[12:33] <cellofellow> I have E16 on here just for fun.
[12:33] <cellofellow> yeah, you can have all the window managers and the desktop enviroments in the world installed at one time.
[12:34] <cellofellow> You could install Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu, plus Fluxbox and WindowMaker and others, all at the same time.
[12:34] <frojnd> !java
[12:34] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre
[12:34] <jlamr> ive heard of fluxbox - so basically install w/ apt-get modify some startup config
[12:34] <cellofellow> jlamr: nope, it's an option under Sessions on the login screen.
[12:34] <jlamr> ah even better!
[12:48] <apocalypse> hi, i'm new to xubuntu and was wondering if thre was a xfce prog. similar to smb4k?
[12:48] <cellofellow> !smb4k
[12:48] <ubotu> smb4k: A Samba (SMB) share advanced browser for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.1-1 (edgy), package size 1176 kB, installed size 2984 kB
[12:48] <cellofellow> pyNeighborhood I think.
[12:49] <cellofellow> or LinNeighborhood if that doesn
[12:49] <cellofellow> t work
[12:50] <apocalypse> cellofellow: thanks i'll check those out. And does the regular "getting media codecs to work and installing" in xubuntu the same as ubuntu? the only difference is the DE right? but installing apps and the structure shoudl be the same?
[12:50] <cellofellow> yeah. All the same.
[12:51] <apocalypse> and really stupid questin but, (where is the terminal?)
[12:51] <redwyrm> apocalypse, Applications > System > Terminal
[12:51] <cellofellow> Applications -> System
[12:52] <apocalypse> ohthere it is. thank you =)
[12:54] <apocalypse> (what is this program called?) like konsole for kde and gnome-terminal for gnome.. ?
[12:54] <cellofellow> xfce4-terminal
[12:55] <apocalypse> !vim
[12:55] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[12:56] <cellofellow> just getting your feet wet in this?
[12:57] <apocalypse> yea, been using gnome but this desktop lags with it so i'm trying out xfce
[12:57] <cellofellow> hello adam
[12:58] <jlamr> wow that wow was easy - gotta say im liking fluxbox
[12:58] <maxamillion> hi josh
[12:58] <cellofellow> :)
[01:09] <apocalypse> i changed the time from 12 to 18, but now when i try to install it says timestamp is too far in teh future, do i have to restart to reset the clock?
[01:11] <maxamillion> apocalypse: not normally, do a package update ... it should fix the problem
[01:13] <neozen> meep
[01:14] <neozen> allo max
[01:14] <maxamillion> hi hi
[01:15] <neozen> what's the good word?
[01:15] <maxamillion> meh .... don't think there is one at the moment
[01:15] <neozen> heheh
[01:16] <maxamillion> google ..... that's probably the best word i can think of right now
[01:18] <apocalypse> maxamillion: sudo apt-get update gets "timestamp too far in the future" =/
[01:18] <maxamillion> apocalypse: interesting .... reboot maybe, it might just need to sync with the system clock
[01:18] <neozen> sync your clock
[01:19] <apocalypse> neozen: i synced it to the internet
[01:19] <Sharn> Did you restart since then?
[01:20] <apocalypse> no i'm going to right now, cu guys in a bit
[01:24] <Sharn> Ugh. Beryl is a frigging pain.
[01:24] <Sharn> Erm. -the frigging part. Sorry.
[01:24] <maxamillion> Sharn: yeah .... i ran it for a few weeks at work to show off some stuff to the windows users, but i converted away from it
[01:25] <Sharn> I can't even get it working, lol.
[01:25] <Sharn> Brb. Hopefully...
[01:26] <maxamillion> once it does "work" it does weird things because its alpha software so it just randomly crashes and picks when it wants the animations to work
[01:26] <maxamillion> nbm
[01:26] <maxamillion> nvm*
[01:26] <maxamillion> i can't type ...
[01:26] <jlamr> beryl == desktop?
[01:26] <maxamillion> jlamr: beryl == window manager
[01:26] <maxamillion> !beryl
[01:26] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:26] <maxamillion> :)
[01:29] <jlamr> ah I see - must be stuck on windows terminology? xfce and fluxbox also window managers? Just for my edification..
[01:31] <maxamillion> jlamr: no
[01:31] <maxamillion> jlamr: xfce is a desktop environment that by default uses xfwm4 as its window manager, but yes ... .fluxbox is a window manager
[01:32] <maxamillion> jlamr: you can use xfce with fluxbox as your window manager if you really wanted to (though i don't see why you would)
[01:34] <jlamr> maxamillion, okay its starting to come together for me now :)
[01:35] <maxamillion> jlamr: lemme get you a couple good links for this stuff
[01:36] <jlamr> yeah im on the google right now
[01:38] <maxamillion> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment
[01:38] <maxamillion> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_manager
[01:45] <jlamr> okay that helps - so xcfe is the desktop environment for fluxbox...If im wrong i'll just give up and be happy it works
[01:45] <maxamillion> jlamr: no ... xfce and fluxbox are not related but can be used together if the user would like
[01:47] <jlamr> ok maxamillion , you've been more than patient w/me - ill do some digging on my own...
[01:47] <moparisthebest> not quite as big as #kubuntu, but I like xfce more :)
[01:48] <maxamillion> jlamr: no worries
[01:49] <maxamillion> jlamr: if you have questions ... just ask
[01:49] <maxamillion> moparisthebest: yeah, me too ... i run xubuntu on an athlon64 x2 4600+, 2gb ddr2 ram, and a nvidia 7900gtx at work just because i like xfce better
[01:50] <moparisthebest> ever tried running xfce + beryl maxamillion ?
[01:50] <moparisthebest> its even better :)
[01:50] <moparisthebest> plus it makes use of the extra hardware
[01:51] <maxamillion> moparisthebest: yeah, i ran it for a couple weeks to show off at the office but i found beryl to be annoying so i am back to xfwm4
[01:51] <moparisthebest> yea, it seems like something that will wear off in the long run
[01:52] <moparisthebest> but xfce I definitely like better than kde
[01:52] <maxamillion> the initial "omg my windows wobble when i move them" was really fun, but after some time it just because a pain .... also, beryl on 64-bit breaks java functionality and i need that for work
[01:52] <maxamillion> :)
[01:52] <moparisthebest> my java works fine so far
[01:52] <moparisthebest> except the fact that sun neglects to make a 64bit browser plugin :(
[01:53] <maxamillion> :/
[01:53] <moparisthebest> what functionality does it break?
[01:54] <maxamillion> anything trying to run a swing gui
[01:54] <moparisthebest> I haven't tried to run swing under beryl yet, now I have to...
[01:54] <maxamillion> :)
[01:54] <moparisthebest> Intellij IDEA runs fine so far
[01:54] <maxamillion> well that's good
[01:55] <maxamillion> i just couldn't get NetBeans 5.0 or 5.5 to run or tonic point and that was enough for me to just say "i'm done" because i have to code java sometimes at work
[01:56] <moparisthebest> oh, once when I started IDEA It was a blank screen
[01:56] <moparisthebest> right click the beryl icon, change the display manager to xfce then back to beryl
[01:56] <moparisthebest> and it worked fine
[01:57] <maxamillion> moparisthebest: yeah, it will "open" but nothing will happen inside the window
[01:57] <moparisthebest> when I changed to xfce and then back to beryl it fixed it though
[01:58] <moparisthebest> are you running the 1.5 or 1.6 JRE?
[01:58] <maxamillion> 1.5
[01:58] <moparisthebest> come to think about it
[01:58] <moparisthebest> It had problems before I upgraded to 1.6
[01:58] <maxamillion> well i am off work .... bbl
[02:02] <neozen> anyone gone from using jbuilder to using netbeans?
[02:02] <neozen> how's the learning curve?
[02:03] <moparisthebest> I've never used JBuilder, but netbeans is easy to pick up
[02:03] <moparisthebest> my favorite is IDEA though
[02:07] <neozen> ok
[02:08] <neozen> I'm just getting into using IDE's (since they're used quite frequently in a lot of the places I'm applying for a job) ...and am looking around for one to call home
[02:08] <neozen> I've never heard of IDEA
[02:08] <moparisthebest> IDEA is awesome, problem is it costs I think $1200 dollars or something crazy
[02:08] <neozen> ah
[02:09] <neozen> ..that would be why
[02:09] <moparisthebest> since its written in java you can crack it yourself with some bytecode hax
[02:09] <moparisthebest> or just use a keygen...
[02:09] <neozen> I only pay attention to free things
[02:09] <moparisthebest> yea, netbeans is very nearly as good
[02:09] <moparisthebest> much better than eclipse
[02:10] <neozen> yeah.... eclipse seemed far too hold-my-hand
[02:10] <neozen> ....I've used vim for most of my development work up to this point
[02:11] <moparisthebest> yep, I don't like programs guessing what I am going to type next
[02:11] <apocalypse> I just installed pyNeighbordhood but it does not show up under /home/tachi, where is xfce's search prog?
[02:11] <moparisthebest> 99% of the time they are wrong anyway, and I have to fix it
[02:11] <neozen> apoc: check out /usr/bin
[02:11] <moparisthebest> you can use locate from the terminal apocalypse
[02:12] <neozen> ...that would be even better
[02:12] <moparisthebest> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/UnNews:Linux:_Every_time_you_use_EXT3%2C_Hans_Reiser_kills_again
[02:13] <moparisthebest> haha thats hilarious, if offtopic
[02:19] <apocalypse> i'm using pyNeighborhood, how come the "scan" feature does not work, but i can add a computer manually?
[02:19] <cellofellow> sure.
[02:19] <cellofellow> but, just me myself and I, I've never gotten pyNeighborhood to mount.
[02:20] <apocalypse> it's nto moutning for me either >.<., would the other alternative be downloading the kde libs and smb4k? that prog works for me fine.
[02:20] <cellofellow> LinNeighborhood rocks
[02:21] <apocalypse> k i'll try that one first =)
[02:52] <syamajala> anyone use xmodmap?
[02:52] <syamajala> i have setup my .xmodmap and everything
[02:53] <syamajala> it works, but i'd like xmodmap to run automatically when x gets started
[02:53] <syamajala> i read that in ubuntu it does this just by checking if you have a ~/.xmodmap
[02:53] <syamajala> but it doesn't seem to work the same in xubuntu
[02:55] <syamajala> or should i just do a xfce autostart thingy
[02:56] <crimsun> I chose the latter.
[03:03] <apocalypse> cellofellow: linneighborhood mounts fine, thanks!
[03:03] <cellofellow> happy for that. You figured out how to do the setuid stuff?
[03:05] <apocalypse> cellofellow: no? i just searched, scanned as me (entered user name and pw) and then mounted. is that the safest way to do ti?
[03:06] <apocalypse> !multimedia
[03:06] <ubotu> For multimedia codecs see: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html and for applications see this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[03:06] <cellofellow> sure. I guess if it works
[03:06] <cellofellow> !mp3
[03:06] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:06] <apocalypse> thanks that was what i was looking for. gotta do it on every new install
[03:08] <cellofellow> write a script to do it.
[03:10] <apocalypse> good idea.
[03:19] <Prisoner_> hello
[03:21] <Prisoner_> installed OpenOffice 2.1 tonight
[03:22] <cellofellow> cool. I'm waiting for Feisty.
[03:22] <neozen> welcome prisoner
[03:23] <Prisoner_> I installed it from RPMs
[03:23] <Prisoner_> Linux is different I'll say that
[03:23] <Prisoner_> but I like it
[03:23] <neozen> .................prisoner... what distro are you using?
[03:24] <Prisoner_> Xubuntu 6.10
[03:24] <neozen> ....and you installed from rpms?
[03:24] <Prisoner_> this url will tell you how
[03:24] <neozen> probably used alien
[03:25] <neozen> !alien
[03:25] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[03:25] <Prisoner_> http://bodmas.org/blog/?p=523
[03:25] <cellofellow> why not use the debs from Feisty
[03:25] <Prisoner_> the version in the repositories isn't up to date
[03:25] <Prisoner_> http://bodmas.org/blog/?p=545
[03:26] <Prisoner_> I found that out, I had some progblems the first time because I didn't uninstall the open office writer Xubuntu came with
[03:26] <neozen> I just use abiword
[03:26] <neozen> good enough for my purposes
[03:26] <neozen> (every once in awhile updating my resume)
[03:27] <Prisoner_> I read 2.0 had bugs in it
[03:28] <neozen> ..welcome magic_ninja
[03:28] <magic_ninja> sup
[03:28] <magic_ninja> tryin 2 get this d2 bot working
[03:31] <magic_ninja> cedeg awon't detect d2jsp windows, i thinking its a api hook prob
[03:32] <neozen> I have nothing to offer
[03:33] <apocalypse> is there a way to optimize watching video through the network from a lan computer?
[03:34] <neozen> sure
[03:34] <neozen> use vlc
[03:34] <apocalypse> i am using vlc and the video is still kinda choppy ... maybe my computer just sucks
[03:34] <neozen> that's pretty lightweight on the pipe... depending on the codec you choose
[03:35] <apocalypse> neozen: what do you mean? i just double clicked on teh .avi file
[03:36] <Prisoner_> Getting videos to work on this thing was a pain, downloading codecs and all that
[03:36] <neozen> !vls
[03:36] <ubotu> vls: lightweight MPEG and DVD video streaming server. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.4+cvs20031028-6 (edgy), package size 376 kB, installed size 1032 kB
[03:37] <neozen> wait... by watching video through the network..
[03:37] <apocalypse> neozen: i mean i mounted a folder from my windows machine through samba and i'm tryign to watch it through this one
[03:37] <Prisoner_> I'm still trying to find a good cd/dvd burner for Xubuntu, may have to just download K3B and deal with it
[03:37] <neozen> aaaaaaaaaaaahhhh
[03:37] <apocalypse> *on this one
[03:38] <neozen> prisoner: try graveman
[03:38] <Prisoner_> I downloaded it
[03:38] <neozen> a little buggy (says something failed when it actually succeeded)
[03:38] <neozen> but works like a champ
[03:38] <Prisoner_> can it burn a video DVD?
[03:39] <neozen> ...don't think so
[03:39] <Prisoner_> I want to burn a DVD I can play in my DVD player
[03:39] <neozen> ....ok
[03:39] <neozen> you need a program  that can reencode to mpg2
[03:40] <neozen> ...can k3b do this?
[03:40] <Prisoner_> I tried XFBurn but it gave me a problem, it wouldn't burn from an ISO file
[03:40] <neozen> well... if you have the iso
[03:40] <neozen> ....graveman shouldn't give you any problems burning from it
[03:40] <Prisoner_> that I don't know
[03:40] <neozen> ..go to duplicate cd
[03:41] <neozen> and select iso as source
[03:41] <Prisoner_> ok
[03:41] <neozen> and then your drive as the destination
[03:41] <neozen> you should be all good at that point
[03:41] <neozen> ..provided your iso is valid
[03:41] <Prisoner_> I have a PAL video that was ripped from a DVD I want to burn to an NTSC DVD
[03:41] <neozen> yeah
[03:41] <Prisoner_> I tried it in Windows with Nero and it didn't work very well
[03:41] <neozen> ...it can't do that
[03:42] <neozen> ....very little can actually
[03:42] <neozen> you're looking to do complete reencode
[03:42] <neozen> ..and change of framerate
[03:42] <neozen> ......that's a complex process
[03:43] <neozen> go look up tmpegenc
[03:43] <neozen> ...its for windows
[03:43] <neozen> ..and it will do the job
[03:43] <neozen> ....ffmpeg might also be able to do the job
[03:43] <Prisoner_> I know that, nero did it but not very well
[03:43] <neozen> ....though I don't have experience dealing with it
[03:43] <neozen> the results of such a process are always less then perfect
[03:44] <neozen> ..._far_ less then perfect in many cases
[03:45] <Prisoner_> thought something in Linux might be able to do it better
[03:45] <neozen> ffmpeg
[03:46] <neozen> ..that's the only thing that might be able to pull it off
[03:46] <neozen> ...don't expect great results
[03:46] <neozen> framerate conversion is never pretty
[03:51] <Prisoner_> found a program called DeVeDe, maybe that will work
[03:52] <neozen> good luck
[03:53] <Prisoner_> anyone else here?
[03:54] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Of course.  We're all here.
[03:54] <Prisoner_> it's just quiet right now
[03:54] <Prisoner_> got OpenOffice 2.1 installed using Alien, interesting experience
[03:56] <Prisoner_> need to get Email running on the Xubuntu side of this system
[03:58] <Prisoner_> hello there
[04:12] <Sharn> Anyone tried Quake in Linux yet?
[04:12] <Jester45> ok i got the gtk gnutella from source forge i got the first file its was Platform i386
[04:12] <Sharn> :O
[04:13] <Jester45> but thunar says its a dos/windows exicutible
[04:13] <Jester45> but... it cant run on windows
[04:13] <Sharn> You know how to compile... :P
[04:13] <Jester45> why would they make a windows exe on there
[04:13] <Jester45> Sharn: i knew how to complie months agoi just didnt want to
[04:14] <Sharn> Well... what are you trying to do now?
[04:14] <Sharn> OOOH
[04:14] <Jester45> get the new version
[04:14] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Sharn: OpenQuake, and a few quake mods.
[04:14] <Jester45> but they have 3 diffrent types and the picked the first
[04:14] <Sharn> Read the name: gtk-gnutella-0.96.3.cygwin.tar.gz
[04:15] <Sharn> "cygwin", that's a Linux command line emulator thing for Windows.
[04:15] <Jester45> and i was wondering what its for i think its a precompiled version for i386
[04:15] <Jester45> o
[04:15] <Jester45> well i didnt know that
[04:15] <Sharn> PuMpErNiCkLe, did you install it by hand? I'm trying to use the Quake2 from the repos
[04:15] <Jester45> so i guess i need the regular source then :(
[04:16] <Sharn> Compiling will only take you a minute. :P
[04:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Sharn: I haven't tried that one.  What's wrong?
[04:16] <Jester45> Sharn: try tremulous its the quake 3 engine
[04:16] <Sharn> It just didn't add anything to my menu. Not sure how to get it running.
[04:16] <Jester45> Sharn: look in usr/bin
[04:16] <Jester45> or the binary
[04:17] <Jester45> for*
[04:17] <Sharn> Jester45, that looks cool. Kinda just trying to see if my "hardware acceleration" is actually working.
[04:18] <Jester45> well tremulous would be the fastest way
[04:18] <Sharn> Downloading it now
[04:18] <Jester45> it get entered into the menu
[04:18] <Sharn> Woo. 100Mb
[04:19] <Jester45> i kinda dont like how its in a games section :( made the menu bigger i would rather have it in the multimedia section or network
[04:19] <Jester45> Sharn: its a whole game
[04:20] <Sharn> Yeah, I see that. It's not bad. I suppose Quake2 on Windows is about that size anyhow
[04:20] <Sharn> Now they just need to switch Halo over to open-source so they can make it run on Linux. :P
[04:30] <Jester45> lol
[04:30] <Jester45> you dont have to opensource it to get it on linux
[04:31] <Jester45> or wine :) if it runs
[04:31] <Sharn> Won't run in Wine yet
[04:32] <Sharn> Supposedly people have gotten close, but it's always missing textures and stuff.
[04:32] <Jester45> wine will be the best thing for linux games if they get it to run perfectly or close to it
[04:33] <Jester45> or.... use an xbox
[04:33] <Jester45> did you hear about halo2 for the pc
[04:34] <Jester45> its going to be xbox live compatible, you can play xboxes
[04:34] <Jester45> that open the game to so much more mods and cheaters
[04:34] <Jester45> and aim/trigger bots
[04:35] <Sharn> Yeah, I did hear that.
[04:35] <Jester45> also if you had a touch screen computer you could snipe somone with just a point
[04:36] <Jester45> and hacks
[04:36] <Jester45> just for fun
[04:36] <Jester45> i still win with out them
[04:36] <Jester45> i hate the people that use them becuase they cant win
[04:36] <Sharn> Lol. You play on xbox?
[04:36] <Jester45> not really
[04:37] <Sharn> Ah, ok. So you have it on PC?
[04:37] <Jester45> i dont have halo for pc
[04:37] <Jester45> other games
[04:38] <Sharn> Right. What other games? Rofl..
[04:38] <Jester45> macros are very very VERY good for rpgs and other not so fast paced games
[04:38] <Sharn> Runescape. xD Did that for fun for awhile.
[04:39] <Sharn> Gonna try Tremulous real quick
[04:39] <Jester45> CnC renegade freelancer Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory
[04:39] <Jester45> pick humans if you can
[04:40] <Jester45> and when you go to the server list in the top left corner you have to pick internet
[04:40] <Jester45> then get new list
[04:45] <Sharn> Got that figured. Runs consistently at 30Fps, so I'm happy. Too dark, though.
[04:46] <Jester45> depends on map
[04:46] <Jester45> or you mnight haveto fix your gamma
[04:46] <dmloewi> webdav, anyone?  how do I get it to mount on xubuntu?
[04:47] <Jester45> webdav? what is that
[04:47] <Sharn> Webdav?
[04:47] <Sharn> xD
[04:47] <dmloewi> it's a web interface to a shared network resource (often a calendar, but not always)
[04:48] <dmloewi> I want to know how to mount one in xubuntu...
[04:48] <dmloewi> it works in ubuntu through the nautilus and the "places" menu, but in xfce I can't do it yet
[04:48] <Jester45> i could help but im not sure what it really is
[04:49] <Jester45> i can help mount ftp sites, if thats how your interface with it
[04:49] <dmloewi> no, it's via http: or https:, but not using a web browser
[04:49] <dmloewi> it shows up on the ubuntu (gnome) desktop as a shared drive, like a samba share or the like
[04:50] <Jester45> oo your luck, yesterday i was going to add on to my script to include http :( but i havent got to it
[04:51] <dmloewi> I posted this question on ubuntuforums and have gotten over 30 views and not one answer...
[04:56] <apocalypse> are there ways to optimize xubuntu? i'm running it on a p3 300mbRAM machine and it is kind of laggy still =/
[05:01] <Jester45> apocalypse: yes, remove things you dont need and lower settings
[05:02] <LinuxLefty> Hello
[05:02] <apocalypse> jester45: which settings ?
[05:03] <LinuxLefty> I'm interested in helping to test XUbuntu, but I'm not sure what Herd XUbuntu is currently testing against. It is Herd 3 or Herd 4?
[05:03] <Jester45> screen resolution is one
[05:03] <Jester45> !herd
[05:03] <Jester45> i think 3
[05:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about herd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:03] <apocalypse> LinuxLefty: i saw a 4 on the xubuntu site..
[05:03] <Jester45> !schedule
[05:03] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[05:04] <Jester45> on one of them should be the times the herds are released
[05:04] <Jester45> or... you could search the mirrors for the daily build
[05:05] <LinuxLefty> ok, I get it. I guess that Herd 4 under testing but hasn't been released yet
[05:05] <LinuxLefty> So, I just follow the test plan at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Xubuntu/Herd4 right?
[05:11] <Jester45> sure
[05:12] <LinuxLefty> ok, thanks :) . Sorry if I'm asking so many questions. I've never done any beta testing /w Ubuntu before.
[05:14] <Jester45> whats a signal handler? im trying to complie somthing thing and it wants to know if i have void or int
[05:15] <Jester45> i think its int
[05:15] <Jester45> but the default is void
[05:16] <Jester45> any ideas?
[05:21] <prairie_dad> fuse?
[05:21] <prairie_dad> anybody use it?
[05:21] <Jester45> no
[05:22] <LinuxLefty> Jester45: I'm searching but not finding any info except for Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_handler
[05:26] <ignignokt00> hey
[05:26] <Jester45> hi
[05:26] <ignignokt00> i'm wondering if there's any way that I can correct screen position?  in xorg.conf or anything?
[05:26] <ignignokt00> i'm on an old imac and there's no way to adjust it with the hardware
[05:28] <LinuxLefty> you mean the height / width of the screen?
[05:28] <ignignokt00> i need to shift the screen about 1/8" to the left, i can't see the scroll bar on any maximized browser or anything
[05:28] <ignignokt00> not geometry, position
[05:29] <ignignokt00> not resolution, that is
[05:29] <Jester45> !xorg
[05:29] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:29] <Jester45> might help
[05:31] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ignignokt00: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/ChangeResolution#How_to_adjust_position_of_your_screen.3F
[05:31] <ignignokt00> sounds like what i need
[05:31] <ignignokt00> thanks people
[05:32] <Jester45> PuMpErNiCkLe:  whats a signal handler? im trying to complie somthing thing and it wants to know if i have void or int
[05:32] <yohi> wey
[05:33] <yohi> i want to know how to configure a proxy on my xubuntu
[05:33] <yohi> could anyone tell me
[05:35] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Jester45: It's a bit of code that catches and interprets signals.  Could be either.
[05:35] <LinuxLefty> yohi: do you want to use a proxy or install a proxy?
[05:48] <posingaspopular> hey room. I got a new computer (free!) with everything minus a HD, going to throw xubuntu on it ASAP andlet you all know how it goes. what should i use (programs/apps) to make it run? also I plan on using this as a model/test/use ubuntu! machine at my school so any cool graphics, apps, stuff that would appeal to poor people would be great. i go to a pretty poor junior college.
[05:49] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You may want to look at edubuntu, at least to start with.  It's intended for use in schools.
[05:50] <PuMpErNiCkLe> For modelling, Wings3D and Blender are worth a look.
[05:50] <Jester45> posingaspopular: depending on the graphics card you might want to look at beryl
[05:50] <posingaspopular> PuMpErNiCkLe: i run edubuntu on my home computer :)
[05:50] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ah, cool
[05:51] <posingaspopular> it's an emachines somethings or another
[05:52] <posingaspopular> already took the 'intened for microsoft tag' off.
[05:52] <posingaspopular> digital media center garbage
[05:52] <Jester45> if you want good looks i would go with KDE or xfce
[05:52] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Or Gnome.
[05:52] <Jester45> but thats my option
[05:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> +modelling; 2d animation software like Ktoon and Synfig might be useful, too.
[05:53] <posingaspopular> PuMpErNiCkLe: I HATEEEE gnome
[05:53] <posingaspopular> blah
[05:53] <posingaspopular> run kubuntu on my other comp too
[05:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> *blink*
[05:53] <LinuxLefty> lol, Gnome is cool
[05:53] <posingaspopular> im using xubuntu/xfce SPECIFICALLY to make it run as fast as possible
[05:54] <posingaspopular> i want that comp to show it off to the people at my school
[05:54] <posingaspopular> making it run fast/looker better than Aero (which i used today and sucked!) is the goal
[05:58] <posingaspopular> its also an Intel extreme graphics 2 card whatever that means
[05:58] <Jester45> !beryl
[05:58] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:59] <Jester45> and !xgl
[05:59] <Jester45> !xgl
[05:59] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:00] <posingaspopular> i was thinking of running XGL too
[06:00] <posingaspopular> actually
[06:00] <Jester45> that should amaze them
[06:01] <Jester45> make sure you get the cube effect
[06:03] <LinuxLefty> Beryl has a lot of cool animations
[06:08] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You may want to consider AIGLX instead of XGL - it's a technically better implementation, and well supported on Intel graphics chips.
[06:11] <Jester45> i wasnt sure what intel was bettter on
[06:46] <Sharn> Tremulous is tough. Definitely something to get the need for gaming out of my system without booting into Windows, though.
[07:45] <iced> hello!
[07:45] <maxamillion> hi
[07:45] <iced> wait it seems i've got to change my nickname :P
[07:46] <maxamillion> lol ... ok
[07:46] <icedwate> bleh
[07:46] <icedwate> the other was owned by someone else
[07:46] <icedwate> anyways.
[07:47] <icedwate> i'm trying to install xubuntu on a really old computer
[07:47] <icedwate> have you tried it? :)
[07:48] <maxamillion> icedwate: not personally, i have semi-decent hardware ... i just like xfce
[07:48] <maxamillion> i might be able to help though ... what's up?
[07:50] <icedwate> hmm
[07:50] <hyper_ch> icedwate: how old?
[07:50] <icedwate> i can't seem to get the GUI up and running.
[07:51] <icedwate> hyper_ch: i'm looking at a pentium III with 128MB ram
[07:51] <hyper_ch> how much ram?
[07:51] <icedwate> it's not really too ols
[07:51] <icedwate> old*
[07:51] <icedwate> but it's limited by its ram
[07:51] <hyper_ch> schould be fine with 128
[07:51] <icedwate> yep
[07:51] <hyper_ch> have you installed xubuntu already?
[07:52] <icedwate> the problem is, though, i can't get XFCE or whatever to start because the monitor frequency doesn't match
[07:52] <hyper_ch> is xubuntu already installed?
[07:52] <icedwate> yups
[07:53] <maxamillion> icedwate: have you booted the machine?
[07:53] <hyper_ch> then you will have to edit your xorg.conf
[07:53] <maxamillion> icedwate: better question ... is the machine running right now?
[07:54] <hyper_ch> so, I'm off to university
[07:54] <hyper_ch> cya
[07:55] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: university? ... i'm off to bed soon
[07:55] <maxamillion> :)
[07:55] <maxamillion> time zones are an interesting thing aren't they ;)
[07:55] <icedwate> hehe
[07:55] <icedwate> it is running
[07:55] <icedwate> i'm AT university right now :P
[07:56] <maxamillion> lol
[07:56] <icedwate> tried editing the xorg.conf
[07:56] <maxamillion> its 1am here
[07:56] <icedwate> i need to fix the frequency again, because i pushed it further out of range
[07:56] <maxamillion> icedwate: run the command "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" (without the quotes of course)
[07:57] <maxamillion> icedwate: that will edit the xorg.conf for you but do it through a pleasant little menu driven config tool
[07:57] <icedwate> hmm... okay
[07:57] <icedwate> i'll try that
[08:00] <icedwate> thanks
[08:00] <icedwate> it seems to help a lot
[08:01] <icedwate> i will take note of the changes it makes to xorg.conf though
[08:01] <icedwate> :P
[08:02] <maxamillion> icedwate: fair enough .... might also want to make a xorg.conf backup
[08:03] <icedwate> yups
[08:03] <icedwate> i already did
[08:04] <icedwate> seems like it doesn't help though, even though i selected the "correct" resolution and frequency as per the monitor settings
[08:05] <maxamillion> well that's interesting
[08:06] <icedwate> yeah
[08:06] <icedwate> so now i'm manually editing xorg.conf again..
[08:06] <icedwate> but nudging the frequency values downward each time
[08:06] <icedwate> seems to be better... dunno
[08:08] <icedwate> success :P
[08:08] <maxamillion> that's strange ... i've never actually run into a monitor that xorg wasn't able to get going once i found the specs
[08:08] <maxamillion> ah, rock on
[08:08] <icedwate> maybe the specs were misquoted
[08:09] <maxamillion> possibly
[08:14] <_3uG_> how can you get your menu to look like what you see when you use "menu layout" in the settings menu? i'm stuck with some weird broken menu (apparently the "system" menu is what's messed up)
[08:17] <maxamillion> _3uG_: "sudo aptitude install menu" ... log out and log back in
[08:17] <_3uG_> ah, i bet the logout/in step is what i'm missing
[08:17] <_3uG_> thanks
[08:17] <_3uG_> i'll give that a shot
[08:27] <icedwate> thanks a lot maximillion :)
[08:27] <maxamillion> icedwate: anytime :)
[08:30] <maxamillion> ... uhmmm... brb
[10:01] <fullmetal> anyone got a sec for an install questions?
[10:01] <fullmetal> like a bad archive mirror?
[10:01] <posingaspopular> fullmetal: i'll help if i can, i duno if i can though
[10:01] <fullmetal> lol doing a netwrk install
[10:01] <fullmetal> when it goes to find a mirror
[10:02] <fullmetal> i got to us
[10:02] <fullmetal> then select the one mirror
[10:02] <fullmetal> and it says bad archive mirror
[10:03] <posingaspopular> ah just use a different mirror.
[10:03] <fullmetal> ya
[10:03] <fullmetal> ive tried
[10:03] <posingaspopular> which mirror?
[10:03] <fullmetal> all....\
[10:03] <posingaspopular> er where are there mirrors i mean...
[10:03] <Shak1> Morning. Is there a way to install Xubuntu without the need booting the live-CD up? i have an old laptop and it is trying for 1 hour now.
[10:03] <posingaspopular> on the web or...
[10:04] <fullmetal> a friend said i might need to set up a dns server in the install??
[10:04] <posingaspopular> Shak1: i think there is hold on
[10:04] <fullmetal> shak1: network install
[10:04] <fullmetal> XD
[10:04] <fullmetal> or use a usb drive
[10:05] <posingaspopular> fullmetal: where are you being prompted for a mirror?
[10:05] <fullmetal> after i configure the network
[10:05] <posingaspopular> oh right, wel i duno toomuch about networks, sorry
[10:05] <fullmetal> lol
[10:06] <fullmetal> thanks anyways
[10:06] <posingaspopular> yea i need sleep sorry man i couldnt help
[10:07] <fullmetal> thanks anyways lol
[10:10] <Shak1> fullmetal: the problem is. The laptop has no floppy and i have no CD-burner :-) . I can't perform a tework install
[01:49] <johnnyfive> hello
[03:16] <sergiu> hello
[03:16] <sergiu> how can i add an language to the keyboard Layout Switcher?
[03:36] <sergiu>
[03:36] <sergiu> :)
[04:27] <apocalypse> what's a good torrent prog for xfce?
[04:44] <hyper_ch> apocalypse: I use ktorrent
[04:45] <frojnd> !skype
[04:45] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[04:49] <apocalypse> is there a way to change the default drag and drop from copy to asking you to copy or move?
[04:56] <kalikiana> apocalypse, press 'shift' ;)
[05:24] <hyper_ch> apocalypse: or you could use konqueror... it nicely asks what you want to the when you release the left-mouse-button
[05:26] <maxamillion> ..... the recommendation of KDE apps saddens me
[05:46] <Stu_2> hi... anyone know if anything more needs to be done with xubuntu to have it see a windows shared printer?  I see my workgroup when I go to add a windows printer via samba, but I don't see the printer...
[05:50] <hyper_ch> !printer
[05:50] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[05:50] <hyper_ch> --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[05:52] <Stu_2> thanks I'll keep looking..
[05:52] <hyper_ch> Stu_2: you're welcome :)
[06:02] <LinuxLefty> I'm trying to follow http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Feisty_with_AIGLX , and to enable AIGLX, it says to run the command "/sbin/aiglx-setup enable" which does not exist. In addition, I can't find any mention of AIGLX in synaptic even though I have universe and multiuniverse enabled
[06:12] <totalwormage> did you 'sudo apt-get update' first?
[06:12] <LinuxLefty> yup
[06:13] <LinuxLefty> I have GLX packages available for install, but no aiglx packages :(
[06:13] <totalwormage> +
[06:14] <totalwormage> ho, that was my imaginary kitten walking over the keyboard
[06:15] <LinuxLefty> lol
[06:16] <totalwormage> LinuxLefty: i don't know, i don't know if aiglx packages are actually named 'aiglx'
[06:18] <LinuxLefty> hmm...
[06:19] <LinuxLefty> lol, what would they be named?
[06:20] <LinuxLefty> do you think they could be named under glx?
[06:21] <totalwormage> i don't know :p
[06:22] <totalwormage> the guide is 'rough' so i suggest to go looking for an other thread
[06:22] <totalwormage> you _have_ feisty by the way? :p
[06:23] <LinuxLefty> lol, yup. I just downloaded the latest snapshot last night
[06:23] <totalwormage> :}
[06:23] <LinuxLefty> ok, I'll poke around some more, thank for the input
[06:24] <totalwormage> :p
[06:28] <hyper_ch> !canon
[06:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about canon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:47] <Alzi2> [18:43]  <Alzi2> ok, so i am on Ubuntu, and i have all sorts of files i don't want to lose and haven't backupped yet, and have no place to backup to and nothing to backup with.
[06:47] <Alzi2> [18:43]  <Alzi2> So, is switching to xubuntu safe, would i lose anything and stuff like that?
[06:47] <Alzi2> [18:43]  <Alzi2> also, are all the "recommended apps" in the Ubuntu repositories?
[06:47] <Alzi2> [18:45]  <Alzi2> can you answer all these question, m8t?
[06:48] <Alzi2> that was in #xfce. Can you guys try to answer it?
[06:48] <hyper_ch> Alzi2: just do:    sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[06:48] <hyper_ch> and then at the gdm selecht xfce4
[06:48] <Alzi2> hyper_ch: not without consideration
[06:48] <hyper_ch> ?
[06:49] <Alzi2> Yeah, so, is it safe to switch and is it worth it on this machine:
[06:49] <Alzi2> Motherboard: PCchips M811LU with 8xAGP 5xPCI 6xUSB2.0 and CNR. CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2800+. Memory: 512MB RAM. Harddisk: Maxtor 80GB 7200RPM. Videocard: ATI Radeon 9250SE.
[06:50] <hyper_ch> you shouldn't have problems with kde...
[06:50] <hyper_ch> but installing xubuntu-desktop won't harm the system
[06:52] <frankabel> I just install a usb modem and all seem good
[06:52] <frankabel> how can I dial?
[06:52] <hyper_ch> !modem
[06:52] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[06:53] <frankabel> I mean using system->network setting I configure the connection
[06:53] <frankabel> but don't know how begin the call
[06:54] <hyper_ch> did you look at that howto?
[06:54] <frankabel> nop, I will look right now, thanks
[07:40] <frankabel> all work great using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto/SetUpDialer#head-f5120acdc3ef62fe7d37bfd3f0c9157ebe9c8ef6
[07:40] <frankabel> but how I can get connected using GUI
[07:45] <frankabel> can I use the "network-admin" program to dial in?
[07:46] <frankabel> I mean after configure all using wvdial and test that all is fine... I want use a GUI app to dil in
[07:46] <frankabel> what do you advice me?
[08:14] <apocalypse> does installing gnome or kde libs slow down overall system performance? or woudl it just be slow running gnome/kde programs that are resource intensive?
[08:19] <cellofellow> apocalypse: mostly when the apps are running. If you have the Run KDE/Gnome Services options checked it'll slow the whole thing down.
[08:21] <apocalypse> cellofellow: where is that located? because i just installed the gnome libs to use gedit.
[08:22] <cellofellow> Settings -> Sessions I think.
[08:22] <cellofellow> (Fluxbox ATM)
[08:22] <apocalypse> cellofellow: good call, it had the gnome services checked.
[09:03] <LordGamer> Anyone know a good program to capture movement on the desktop?
[09:09] <dheyo> hola everyone
[09:10] <dheyo> i cant get my xubuntu to detect my usb hard disk
[09:12] <Dh3Y0> i m using dapper
[09:12] <Dh3Y0> this is the first time i m using the hard disk on ubuntu
[09:14] <Dh3Y0> btw xfce
[09:19] <Qew> is your USB HD self powered from the USB hub or does it have its own external power source? If the former, have you tried with an external power source? Try typing dmesg in the console  and search to see if it mentions your external HD (use "dmesg | grep -i usb" {no quotes}).
[09:20] <Qew> also is this Dapper, Edgy or Feisty?
[09:21] <dino__> Hello
[09:23] <Dh3Y0> Qew: its powered by the USB hub, i ll try dmesg
[09:24] <dino__> What's up, peeps?
[09:24] <Dh3Y0> hi dino__  can you help me out
[09:24] <Qew> Dh3Y0: is it directly connected to your USB port or through some unpowered hub?
[09:24] <dino__> Woah, wondering why my name is that. Went to secondary. What do you need help with?
[09:24] <Dh3Y0> Qew: directly to the port
[09:25] <Dh3Y0> cant get my USB hard to work bro
[09:25] <Dh3Y0> i can pm you all the the stuff it printed out with dmesg
[09:25] <Sharn> Hard drive?
[09:25] <Dh3Y0> yeah
[09:26] <Qew> well, see if it mentions your HD
[09:26] <Sharn> I have a USB harddrive here that works fine for me... Is it like a normal drive in a case, or just bought all at once?
[09:27] <Dh3Y0> Qew: i dont think it mentions anything about the HD but this looks peculiar[09:27] <Dh3Y0> [   80.033182]  drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.6:USB HID core driver
[09:28] <Dh3Y0> i dunno what it means tho
[09:28] <Dh3Y0> and this USB HC takeover failed!
[09:29] <Dh3Y0> i thinks its powered allright coz the green light is on
[09:30] <xfrost> A cd burner that i can install in xubuntu like gnomebaker but without all the recomended programs like nautilus and everything else.
[09:31] <grazie> Dh3Y0: most external usb drives need their own power supply.
[09:32] <Dh3Y0> theres only the USB port on this one, and it worked fine on windows
[09:32] <grazie> xfrost: is that a question?
[09:33] <Dh3Y0> grazie:  i think thats a statement lol
[09:33] <Qew> the 2.6.16 kernel and above have introduced some power checks for USB devices (although unpowered hubs). They set it to 100ma, even if the port itself could allow for 500ma. Mind you, seeing you've connected it directly to the port, this shouldn't be an issue. Still, I'd try using an external power source.
[09:33] <xfrost> Well, what can i do to don't install the recomended aplications.
[09:34] <Dh3Y0> so i guess with out the adapter i can get this work eh
[09:34] <Qew> the idea was to protect against data foul-ups due to power limits. Some say this is overkill, but they seem to have been ignored. Still, this might not apply to your case, but check if it works with an external power source.
[09:34] <Qew> try it
[09:34] <grazie> xfrost: you could use graveman...
[09:34] <Dh3Y0> i dont have one :9
[09:34] <Dh3Y0> :(
[09:34] <Qew> have you a powered external hub?
[09:34] <Dh3Y0> no its connected directly to the port on my box
[09:35] <Qew> anyway, this might be your problem, but it was worth seeing if it was
[09:35] <Qew> *this might not
[09:35] <Dh3Y0> ok
[09:35] <Dh3Y0> is there anything else i should try cos the power seems to be on on the HD coz the little green light is on
[09:39] <Qew> I'm going to have to let you down and eat my dinner. Stay here, because some people with better knowledge might be able to help.  Sorry about that.
[09:40] <Dh3Y0> :)
[09:42] <Sharn> Does it have a power adapter at all?
[09:48] <Sharn> Anyone else play Tremulous?
[09:51] <Sharn> No-one?
[10:03] <Sharn> LordGamer: do you actually game?  DRM = Uhm... Swear words. xD
[10:45] <Kresjah_laptop> Hi there! Is there anyone alive here who can help me with some installation issues I have?
[10:51] <fxr> hi my USB wireless nic is being picked up in network devices (i.e wlan0 has picked up the correct value MAC address.) i cant ping my router tho ..  static ip & no encription on my network) is it a config problem or do i have to push forward and install some drivers.. is the fact that wlan0 is pickin up the correct mac a clue that it might work without loading additional drivers?
[10:54] <Kresjah_laptop> I've tried for weeks to get help here, usually explaining the details of the issue (that the installer freezes the whole computer) in the same line as my greetings (which from what I've understood is the practice people prefer in here), and haven't gotten a single reply to dat (not even a question of where in the installer it freezes, although I have detailed that many of the times I have explained my issue).  It runs slow, but it runs. I double click the install icon, and it starts to initialize the UI (the window comes up, but is empty... although there are obvious signs that it hasn't completed loading). The window will remain like that first for about 10-15 minutes, during which I can still move my mouse pointer, and the CD-ROM shows activity. However, after these 10-15 minutes, the pointer freezes too, an
[10:57] <Kresjah_laptop> ive activity. Although I had no faith of it progressing further, I have tried waiting for ages after that stage to see if it sparks up again... to no avail. That's where I am currently stuck
[10:58] <Kresjah_laptop> So, anyone willing to lend some help?
[10:58] <MyGhetek> I have a dell laptop, its a d610 with 1gb ram and 120gb hard drive. this has a 1.8 centrino cpu. i have a dock at home with a million peripherals (all usb) should i go for xubuntu or kubuntu?
[10:58] <fxr> have you tried another burnt cd? have you tried the alternate cd.. ??
[10:59] <Kresjah_laptop> fxr: I have tried another burnt CD (I've also checked the CD for errors with the menu before loading X on the livecd), and I have not used the alternate CD as I am not familiar enough with linux to start toying around with "expert options"
[11:00] <Kresjah_laptop> I have been using ubuntu on my laptop (which I am sitting at now) for a few weeks, and I'm very satisfied with it.
[11:01] <fxr> the alternate cd is not really an 'expert' option .. i would give it a try.. also did you do a memtest ?
[11:01] <Kresjah_laptop> Memtest?
[11:01] <MyGhetek> Kresjah_laptop: what are your laptop specs?
[11:01] <fxr> test the memory no your machine.. make sure your RAM aint corrupt or anything...
[11:02] <Kresjah_laptop> MyGhetek: The laptop isn't the machine I'm installing xubuntu on.
[11:02] <Kresjah_laptop> fxr: I have no OS installed now. Then I'll have to install win again or something
[11:02] <MyGhetek> "Kresjah_laptop: I have been using ubuntu on my laptop (which I am sitting at now) for a few weeks, and I'm very satisfied with it." ?
[11:02] <fxr> n there is an option on the cd to do it...
[11:03] <Kresjah_laptop> MyGhetek: Using ubuntu on my laptop (a 650 MHz dell latitude), but the machine I'm going to use xubuntu on is even more antique :p
[11:03] <Kresjah_laptop> Let me dig out that xubuntu cd again
[11:03] <MyGhetek> ah ok
[11:04] <Kresjah_laptop> Note to self: If you burn several CDs in a short time span, especially with the same brand cd's... mark them!
[11:05] <fxr> Kresjah_laptop, i think the alternate cd is design to help lower spec machines ..
[11:05] <frojnd> where can I take screenshot ??
[11:05] <fxr> how much memory is that laptop of yours?
[11:06] <frojnd> how can I take screen shot ?? someone
[11:06] <syamajala> you need imagemagick
[11:07] <Kresjah_laptop> fxr: The ubuntu machine? Umm... damn, I've actually managed to forget that. Who would have thought I've been using comps for 13 years :p
[11:07] <fxr> the machine you wanna install ubuntu too..
[11:07] <fxr> xubuntu
[11:07] <frojnd> !imagemagic
[11:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about imagemagic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:07] <Kresjah_laptop> Oh, the xubuntu machine... it's stretching the limits at 128
[11:08] <frojnd> !imagemagick
[11:08] <ubotu> imagemagick: Image manipulation programs. In component main, is optional. Version 7:<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg1-0.10ubuntu0.2 (edgy), package size 724 kB, installed size 3168 kB
[11:09] <Kresjah_laptop> But if I am to use the alternate installer, I've gotten myself into a good mess
[11:09] <Kresjah_laptop> Since the machine I was going to install xubuntu to (which is now without an OS), serves as the wireless gateway to the landlords connection that I share with them upstairs
[11:10] <Kresjah_laptop> And I can't seem to get files from this machine over to windows machines
[11:10] <frojnd> arh..
[11:10] <frojnd> can't find imagemagick
[11:10] <frojnd> apperantly it's installed but I can't find it
[11:11] <fxr> Kresjah_laptop, give it a try.. i dont see why you have such a problem with the alternate cd... read this: http://ubuntu-cdimage.datahop.it/xubuntu/releases/6.10/release/
[11:11] <fxr> "installs on systems with less than about 128MB of RAM."
[11:11] <fxr> frojnd, you can add a screenshot app to your panels..
[11:12] <Kresjah_laptop> I'll try that if I can find a way to get the image over to one of the machines with the torchers on
[11:14] <Kresjah_laptop> and fxr... no matter the outcome of this, I want to thank you for actually replying :)
[11:15] <Jester45> hi cellofellow
[11:15] <cellofellow> hello
[11:15] <fxr> hahah no problem fella.. i just think its tougher to get help in here at the weekends.. i think u may have just chosen bad times..
[11:16] <Kresjah_laptop> Actually, I've been here randomly at different times of day many days a week for about the last 2-3 weeks
[11:17] <Jordan_U> I think that the Edgy iso image is currupt
[11:17] <Kresjah_laptop> And the only thing that happened more often than mutual channel idling, was people answering a ton of other peoples questions (and even install questions and such), and not as much as a single word uttered to me.
[11:18] <Kresjah_laptop> I know and understand people are using their spare time
[11:18] <Jordan_U> I need to leave for a vacation and don't have time to file a report, would somebody mind taking the ball / checking this one?
[11:18] <fxr> strange.. mate i think u were jyust unlucky.. i wouldnt be getting paranoid or anything.. just keep asking..
[11:19] <Kresjah_laptop> But I can't help but notice when people can tell how to debug this and that and compile kernels, but not give me a tip with a frozen x window
[11:19] <Kresjah_laptop> Possible. Not paranoid, just a bit desperate. :p
[11:19] <Jordan_U> I have downloaded, burned, and checksummed it many times, I always get an invalid kernel error
[11:19] <Kresjah_laptop> That's what you get for struggling with a crappy comp having served as a gateway running windows for over a year :p
[11:21] <cellofellow> apt keeps saying I've got untrusted sources. I think I may have messed up the apt-keys stuff. How do I fix this? Where do I find keys?
[11:23] <Sharn> Kresjah_laptop: the alt-installer is actually easier in ways then the livecd. Also much faster and lightwieght.
[11:24] <Kresjah_laptop> Interesting. Must have been a misinterpretation from my side. I've always been under the impression that it was for those who knew the ins and outs of linux.
[11:24] <cellofellow> you're thinking of Gentoo, maybe.
[11:24] <syamajala> the alt installer actually works.
[11:25] <Sharn> I ALWAYS use the alt-installer, and I've used linux for ess than 2 months.
[11:25] <cellofellow> I used it once, under QEMU. Only LiveCD's here I'm afraid.
[11:25] <Kresjah_laptop> Well, you people have indeed convinced me to try it, now I just have to find a way to get it burnt.  The image is just as big as the livecd.
[11:26] <syamajala> i just use damn small linux because most distros can be installed from it
[11:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Kresjah_laptop: 683 MB
[11:26] <syamajala> but it was my first time using linux on a ppc system
[11:26] <cellofellow> I've installed Debian and it's not really any different than Ubuntu Alt.
[11:26] <Sharn> Gentoo is a compile from source thing - Debian is just very complicated. That's probably where you got the idea it's a thing for gurus...
[11:27] <Kresjah_laptop> Then I have to find a way to split the file in two. Is there any quick command for chopping it up as two binary files that I can just copy /b together at an xp machine?
[11:27] <cellofellow> how do you install a distro using DSL?
[11:27] <syamajala> cellofellow: it depends on the distro
[11:27] <Sharn> cellofellow, it's not? I thought about isntalling it instead of Xubuntu, since I'll have max 256Mb ram and 433Mhz.
[11:28] <cellofellow> Sharn: more options, but you can take the easy routes and it's about the same as a command-line (server) install of Ubuntu.
[11:28] <syamajala> but with most package managers its just a matter of getting a statically linked version and the packages and then specifying the root dir.
[11:28] <Kresjah_laptop> Actually, I haven't gotten the idea from anywhere that I can think of actually... I've never toyed around with gentoo nor debian. The reason I went for ubuntu was that I had my laptop here, and a friend convinced me to try it (and have since fallen in love with it).
[11:28] <syamajala> then you just have to mount /proc and /dev, chroot, and configure stuff
[11:28] <cellofellow> Kresjah_laptop: I think you can use tar to make volumed archives that can split files.
[11:29] <Sharn> Oooooh, server.. Does it have an easy WM option, like Ubuntu's "xubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop, and kubuntu-dekstop"?
[11:29] <syamajala> like grub, build a kernel, ...
[11:29] <Rhaen> good evening everyone
[11:29] <Sharn> Hello
[11:29] <syamajala> the best way to learn is doing a lfs and using gentoo
[11:29] <cellofellow> Sharn: server forgoes desktop and includes apache and other server apps.
[11:29] <Rhaen> just wanted to look in the channel - I dont have any questions :)
[11:30] <cellofellow> well, help is always welcome
[11:30] <Sharn> Yeah, a lot of us just hang out here. xD
[11:31] <Kresjah_laptop> If I can get the xubuntu up and running on that comp, I only have one more wish before I install ubuntu on my stationary... 3dsmax support somehow (wine doesn't like it so far)
[11:31] <Kresjah_laptop> And I'll be ever grateful to you people ;)
[11:31] <Rhaen> is someone working on the xubuntu distribution?
[11:32] <Sharn> And, cellofellow, if you did a server install with Ubuntu, you could just apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and have a running gnome like that. Is there a package of that sort for Debian?
[11:32] <cellofellow> Kresjah_laptop: what's 3DSmax? we may be able to find an alternative.
[11:32] <cellofellow> Sharn: there are metapackages. They aren
[11:33] <cellofellow> 't as complete as ubuntu
[11:33] <moparisthebest> in KDE I changed the folder it used for my desktop, how can I do that in xfce?
[11:33] <Sharn> And, Rhaen, not sure what you mean. Like, are we using it now?
[11:33] <cellofellow> :/
[11:33] <Rhaen> Sharn: oh, no - I thought of core developers - or maybe contributor
[11:33] <Rhaen> s
[11:33] <cellofellow> dunno map
[11:33] <cellofellow> dunno moparisthebest
[11:33] <Sharn> Rofl, love the name moparisthebest. Are you just using that name or ARE YOU moparisthebest ?
[11:34] <cellofellow> Rhaen: try #xubuntu-devel for them
[11:34] <moparisthebest> yep I am Sharn, where did you see it before? :)
[11:34] <Rhaen> tanks.
[11:34] <Sharn> Ruenscape private servers. =P
[11:34] <Rhaen> thanks. hu
[11:34] <Sharn> Runescape*
[11:34] <Sharn> Not sure who doesn't know the name... xD
[11:34] <Kresjah_laptop> cellofellow: Unfortunately, there are no alternatives. 3DSMax = 3D Studio Mac (version 8). There are lots of free modellers possible to use on linux, unfortunately, there are no alternative exporters to the exporter I need, and those official ones only work with 3dsmax :\
[11:34] <moparisthebest> the official channel is here as well Sharn #mopar
[11:35] <Kresjah_laptop> So until wine supports 3dsmax, I'm stuck to windows.
[11:36] <cellofellow> so, it's not features, it's file formats that's holding you back? Cause Blender is nice.
[11:36] <Sharn> Neat, mopar is here. I'll look into that real quick.
[11:37] <Kresjah_laptop> Indeed... file formats is the clue here. I know some people have been working on getting export scripts for blender, but there have so far not been developed to a point where I can use it for my projects.
[11:37] <cellofellow> :( Silos and lockin suck.
[11:37] <Sharn> Seems Wine has a hard time with GFX apps.
[11:38] <cellofellow> they focus on games instead of gfx apps with the DirectX stuff.
[11:38] <frojnd> !ekigo
[11:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ekigo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:39] <Sharn> Yeah. I wouldn't mind PS running. I can't stand the gimp. =\
[11:39] <Kresjah_laptop> Well, from what I've heard, 3dsmax is a real baddie. It can't even install the app. Although I can't confirm it myself, I've heard various talk about pirate prevention measures in 3dsmax which could be the root of such problems (some have told me that it even creates it's own hidden partitions and stuff, but I don't know how much credibility there is in that)
[11:39] <Kresjah_laptop> Sharn: I agree. I am having a real hard time adapting to gimp.
[11:40] <Kresjah_laptop> I've been trying to use gimp for win for a long time now, but I always end up booting up photoshop and continue there.
[11:40] <Sharn> Mostly I don't like how it's split into 3 windows. And the menu structure is odd to me. If it were all one window and I actually had copy on right click, it would be great for me.
[11:41] <syamajala> this dev lib thing is no annoying
[11:42] <fb__> hello anybody here?
[11:42] <moparisthebest> yup
[11:42] <Sharn> Yeah
[11:43] <fb__> fine!
[11:43] <fb__> i'm new
[11:44] <cellofellow> my apt keys have gotten screwed and I all of my stuff is coming from "untrusted sources"
[11:44] <cellofellow> !apt-key
[11:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-key - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:44] <cellofellow> blasted bot
[11:44] <syamajala> it would be sick if i could use distcc between my laptop and desktop/server
[11:44] <syamajala> but they have different versions of gcc...
[11:46] <fb__> using Xubuntu my sound is so weak, anybody knows where to configure its volume?
[11:47] <cellofellow> add the volume applet to the panel
[11:47] <PuMpErNiCkLe> cellofellow: You can get the gpg keys from e.g; http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/Release.gpg
[11:49] <cellofellow> ok. dunno what to do with it though
[11:49] <fb__> where to find this applet?
[11:49] <cellofellow> right click the panel, and choose "Add Items..."
[11:49] <cellofellow> it's in there
[11:50] <fb__> ok I'll try now, thanx
[11:54] <cellofellow> apt-key add Release.gpg didn't work
[11:54] <cellofellow> !gpg
[11:54] <ubotu> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[11:54] <fb__> that worked!!
[11:58] <Sharn> fb__: you should also be able to just put your pointer on that and use your scroll wheel to turn volume up/down.
[12:00] <fb__> have no scrollweel, but I glide
[12:00] <Sharn> -makes horrified MSN face- No scroll wheel?
[12:00] <fb__> laptop
[12:01] <syamajala> i have a 1 button mouse
[12:01] <fb__> new question:
[12:01] <Sharn> Eeeew. Sounds like a Mac mouse.
[12:02] <syamajala> powerbook
[12:02] <fb__>  then ; is there a way to skip the log in window with password etc. on boot?
[12:02] <Sharn> Figured. -shivers-
[12:02] <syamajala> there is
[12:02] <syamajala> i just don't remember how
[12:03] <fb__> ahh!
[12:03] <syamajala> speaking of which
[12:03] <syamajala> i feel like ripping out gdm too
[12:03] <Sharn> fb__, I doubt it... There are better screens, though. There's ones where you click your anme then type your apssword. Eliminating it altogether probably ins't that good an idea anyhow
[12:03] <cellofellow> System -> Login Windows or whatever, command gdmsetup
[12:03] <syamajala> i wanna use entrance
[12:03] <cellofellow> it still uses gdm, just skips the greeter
[12:03] <syamajala> because its prettier
[12:03] <Sharn> ROFL
[12:03] <Sharn> You can get prettier GDM themes.
[12:03] <syamajala> but entrance is pretty by default.
[12:04] <cellofellow> does entrance do XDMCP?
[12:04] <syamajala> i don't know
[12:05] <syamajala> but i'm guessing it does
[12:06] <syamajala> cellofellow: according to this article from 2005
[12:06] <syamajala> http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/26/1528211&tid=26&tid=13
[12:06] <syamajala> it doesn't
[12:06] <cellofellow> :( I use xdmcp all the time
[12:06] <syamajala> but who knows whats happened in 2 years
[12:06] <syamajala> maybe entrance actually works now
[12:06] <syamajala> because the last 5 times i tried it, it didn't.
[12:08] <syamajala> anyway i'm still building e17
[12:09] <cellofellow> enjoy
[12:11] <syamajala> i'm hoping it will be a little faster than xfce4
[12:12] <syamajala> because my system is really slow without nvidia drivers
[12:12] <cellofellow> E15 is.
[12:12] <cellofellow> 16 rather
[12:12] <maxamillion> j0
[12:12] <cellofellow> why no GPU drivers?
[12:12] <syamajala> i used to use e16
[12:12] <syamajala> ppc
[12:12] <cellofellow> oh :(
[12:13] <syamajala> and right now no wifi
[12:13] <fb__> bye friends
[12:13] <syamajala> it seems to be broken in feisty with 2.6.20-8
[12:13] <Sharn> Bye fb__


[00:15] <j1mc> hi all - anyone around?
[00:19] <jjesse> hi jjesse
[00:19] <jjesse> do
[00:19] <jjesse> doh
[00:19] <jjesse> hiya j1mc
[00:23] <j1mc> hi jjesse
[00:24] <j1mc> jjesse: i was just bring up to the manual team that i thought it would be a good idea to combine our efforts
[00:24] <j1mc> i just did so on irc, but know that we would need to send a note out to the ml
[00:25] <j1mc> jjesse: i understand that this isn't really relevant to kubuntu docs.  :)
[00:25] <jjesse> yeah we need more kubuntu docs people ;)
[00:25] <j1mc> :)  i suppose you recently rewrote them, but kubuntu / kde seems to change pretty quickly
[00:26] <jjesse> yeah it does
[00:26] <jjesse> basically a re-write each time
[00:27] <zkriesse> hey fellow doc-workers
[00:27] <j1mc> hi zkriesse
[00:27] <zkriesse> sup dude
[00:28] <j1mc> not much
[00:28] <zkriesse> kewl kewl
[00:28] <zkriesse> do yo live in the states?
[00:29] <j1mc> yes
[00:29] <jjesse> i do
[00:29] <j1mc> zkriesse: are you in chicago?  you're in the ubuntu-chicago channel...
[00:29] <zkriesse> di ya voite?
[00:30] <jjesse> if you live in chicago you vote early and often
[00:30] <zkriesse> yes i'm in the chicago area..well rockford but close enough
[00:30] <j1mc> i had to work late, and missed voting by about 10 min
[00:30] <jjesse> j1mc don't worry someone voted for you
[00:30] <j1mc> haha, jjesse
[00:30] <zkriesse> j1mc: darn...if you could have who'd have ya voted for? If you don't mind me asking
[00:31] <j1mc> i would've voted for either quinn or rich whitney for governor, and neither candidate for senate
[00:33] <zkriesse> k
[00:35] <j1mc> zkriesse: is that cool?   :P"
[01:18] <j1mc> i am not interested in pwning anything
[01:19] <Sir_Konrad> I'm not in for pwning much besides my iPhone and getting the government back in control. After that I'm good.
[06:46] <geekosopher> hello all
[06:55] <karthick87> Hi friends, how do i take part in ubuntu documentation..?
[06:56] <geekosopher> karthick87: have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam
[06:57] <geekosopher> karthick87: and thank you for your interest :)
[07:02] <karthick87> joined in Ubuntu Documentation Contributors team on Launchpad.How to get involved in it..?
[07:05] <geekosopher> karthick87: if you want to contribute to wiki, then you can go ahead and start correcting the pages where you think errors exist, or start creating new pages for topics you can't find there
[07:06] <geekosopher> karthick87: but it would rather be nice if you discuss on the mailing list before making radical changes on important pages
[07:07] <geekosopher> and if you are interested in sytem documentation, then check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation
[07:07] <geekosopher> it gives a good idea of how to start
[07:08] <geekosopher> you can get started by reading the help pages and pointing out errors if you find any
[07:09] <geekosopher> karthick87: and most of the discussion happens on mailing list, so its good to be subscribed to catch up on whats going on
[07:10] <karthick87> what is a mailing list..?
[07:13] <geekosopher> karthick87: its the emailing system, where all the subscribers receive messages sent to it
[07:14] <geekosopher> ubuntu-docs' mailing list is here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc
[07:39] <karthick87> subscribed to documentation team..How to create / edit wiki pages..?
[07:45] <geekosopher> karthick87: go to the page you want to edit, click on the login link at the top, and login using your lauchpad account
[07:46] <geekosopher> if you are already logged in, you will see 'edit' link (either at the top or bottom of the page)
[07:47] <geekosopher> for help on how to edit, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide
[07:52] <karthick87> I found it..Thanks a lot for guiding me..
[07:53] <geekosopher> you are always welcome, feel free to clear your doubts whenever you have one :)


[00:23] <csteed> Good day all, I'm not getting snapping windows on 18.10. More specifically the  W-arrow keys aren't resizing windows. Is this normal at this stage?
[00:23] <csteed> nick Steedlion
 Heeeey, you the friendly person submitting fixes to the manual or am I confusing you with someone? :)
 And yeah, the window snapping should be working... Hm...
[00:25] <csteed> No, that's me,
 Thank you so much for your help :D
[00:28] <csteed> Anything to help. The new Lubuntu looks awesome btw. The team has really outdone its self and I expect many more users will move after the new facelift.
 Thanks :)
 csteed: If you could, maybe hang out in #lubuntu-devel? That's where the magic happens. :)
[00:31] <csteed> ++
[01:38] <saptech> hi all
 @saptech [<saptech> hi all], Heya
 How goes it?
[01:38] <saptech> so lxqt has finally released?
 Yes it has.
 What about it? :)
[01:47] <saptech> I want to upgrade my lxde to it :)
[01:47] <saptech> is it possible?
 It is.
 It's just... Rocky
 The release announcement is going up within the hour, but we have a guide.
 sec
[01:48] <saptech> ok
 https://manual.lubuntu.me/D/upgrading.html
[01:54] <saptech> thanks
 No problem, anytime :)
[01:55] <saptech> what are you using to chat here?
 Telegram.
 lubot bridges the Telegram group at https://telegram.lubuntu.me/support to IRC.
 I'm also on IRC but this is a bit easier on the go :)
[01:57] <saptech> hmmm
 Oh yeah, and wxl does Matrix too :)
 As much as we all love IRC, the majority of our new contributors communicate via Telegram
[02:03] <saptech> is it a voice program also?
 You can send voice messages but it's not a voice chat program.
 You can call individual users who have the feature turned on though.
 A lot of the times communicating via voice as a team gets tricky. Sometimes I call some team members when something urgent is happening but that's not the point of async :)
[02:14] <demophobia> can anyone help me repair my graphics?
 Which version of Lubuntu?
 Which graphics card do you have?
[02:15] <demophobia> please see https://askubuntu.com/questions/1085366/how-to-correct-apparently-corrupt-graphics-e-g-tabs-missing if you can help me repair my graphics
 Is this Lubuntu though?
[02:27] <saptech> tsimonq2, reading this, "the new 18.10 system. You be greeted by a new login screen that is the SDDM display manager", can I still use lxdm instead of sddm?
 Yeah, if you want to.
 We only support SDDM though, so use at your own risk. :)
[02:28] <saptech> great. I have other users profiles on my systems and use the Switch User feature
[02:28] <saptech> but with some DMs, I have issues, but lxdm works perfectly for me
[02:29] <tsimonq2> Cool.
[02:29] <saptech> I'll run sddm and see how it works out with lubuntu
[02:31] <saptech> I should have tried lubuntu years ago. this is my first time using it and like it alot
[02:35] <tsimonq2> \o/
 so, for VPN nm-tray can connect to VPN, but canot create.
 haven't found how to create vpn connections w/o ntework-manager-gnome
 sorry, wrong chat
 Fwd from Lubuntu Announcements: Lubuntu 18.10 has been released with LXQt as the default desktop environment! https://lubuntu.me/cosmic-released/ ... Check out the release video made by TuxDigital which gives an overview of the release: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRgcsTQGvwU
[03:17] <saptech> yipppiiiiieeeee
[03:17] <tsimonq2> HUZZAAAAAAAH
[03:17] <tsimonq2> \o/
[03:18] <tsimonq2> krytarik: Duuude, can you change the topic? :P
[03:22] <krytarik> tsimonq2: Duuude, knock yourself out!  ..And I know you will.  Rocky], I read the appendix d and it doesn't actually feel like that. Any caveats?
 @AlFXLogic [I read the appendix d and it doesn't actually feel like that. Any caveats?], You might have duplicate network icons and generally just leftover packages.
 Maybe "unclean" is better.
 oh
 in that case yeah, you are right
 ok, will do that within the weekend as soon as I finish some code
 👍
[09:32] <libri> magnet:?xt=urn:btih:38b53fa28a964efc39a7c63c053c208900185d2b&dn=lubuntu-18.10-desktop-amd64.iso&tr=http%3a%2f%2ftorrent.ubuntu.com%3a6969%2fannounce
 Guys the latest 18.10 is a stable release ? ... Bcoz i sometimes getting freezes on the ui  ... Itself! ... Lxde used to work like charm! ... So asking u? ... If it's not stable I'll go back to lxde 18.04 one
 It's a regular release, but it's not as stable as the LTS. Sounds like you have issues with the GPU driver or kernel, you can try booting 18.10 with kernel 4.15.
 Hm that's k  ... I installed 18.04 ... It is working fine for me
[12:52]  * demophobia is reading https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/07/lubuntu-to-no-longer-target-older.html
[12:52] <demophobia> :(
[12:52] <demophobia> I've got a 12-13 year old laptop here ...
[12:52]  * demophobia reads https://lubuntu.me/taking-a-new-direction/
[12:56] <demophobia> actually, apparently this laptop's 10 years old
[13:02] <demophobia> https://fossbytes.com/best-linux-distros-of-2016-which-one-is-best-for-me/ mentions Puppy Linux rather than Lubuntu for old laptops ...
 Puppy is pretty different from Ubuntu-based distros, though it runs very fast indeed.  ... The point of changing directions is that pretty much any distro/DE (except Gnome) will run reasonably well on your laptop, provided it wasn't already low-spec 10 years ago. I have a 10yo DELL with 3GB RAM, runs KDE Plasma just fine but chokes on
[13:14] <demophobia> "extended webbrowser use"? D'you mean simply browsing the web for more than 30 minutes? Why?
[13:15] <demophobia> What mail software allows for archiving mail rather than deleting it? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1085535/what-mail-software-allows-archiving-rather-than-deleting-like-in-gmail
 @demophobia [<demophobia> "extended webbrowser use"? D'you mean simply browsing the web for m …], Yes, like browsing Youtube and Reddit with a couple of tabs open. The modern web is extremely demanding.
[15:55] <boboma> Hi. Copied Lubuntu 18.10 live image to a stick. Starts fine. Shows the lubuntu blue loading screen (moving dots) but doesnt load desktop then. just stays black. is this a known bug? intel graphics
[15:55] <boboma> 18.04 works find
[15:55] <boboma> *fine
 @boboma [<boboma> Hi. Copied Lubuntu 18.10 live image to a stick. Starts fine. Shows the …], Usually, your BIOS has two options for booting the live ISO: UEFI and regular. Try the one you didn't already try.
 Welcome @bonacin91!
 Brooke Welcome? Are you a spam bot? ;)
 (We have to be more careful because these bots are getting smarter.)
 Called it.
 Smited.
 This might be a problem, but it's manageable.
 In fact...
 sec
 There, so I redid the invite link that the Lubuntu URL redirects to.
 Let's see if that does anything.
 Hi, I'm from Brazil. How can I configure the touchpad scroll in lubuntu1810?
 It's not particularly easy at the moment.
 https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/92
 It'll be improved for 19.04, but for now you have to use the terminal.
 Sorry.
 ok, thx.


[03:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> Brian Hechinger: We're finally getting that bug in Carla fixed.
[10:04] <BrianHechinger[m> Woo! Now that I'm not using it anymore. But, still good to get things fixed.
[19:43] <arraybolt3[m]> (Sorry, I thought .1 bugs needed to be reported on the -release channel.)
[19:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: No, it's ok, I just want to discuss it in detail here.
[19:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, OK.
[19:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> Is this if selected in cala or in the user manager?
[19:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Cala.
[19:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok. You confirmed it works in Lubuntu?
[19:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Yes.
[19:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, that tells me there's a config issue.
[19:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> Might even be a difference in desktop
[19:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> But go ahead and see if it's a regression, if it is then we can get the entire team involved. If not, then there's not much we can do beyond SRU and get it fixed prior to .2.
[19:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> And in Kinetic, obvs.
[19:46] <arraybolt3[m]> Sounds good.
[19:49] <arraybolt3[m]> I don't remember seeing anything in the Cala config that would have caused something like this when I was rewriting the config for Cala 3.3, so I'd guess it was a desktop difference.
[19:51] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, good news, it's not a regression.
[20:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, that's good/bad, but we can work on this for Kinetic and SRU it.


[00:01] <MTecknology> For all this abstraction, it feels a lot like spaghetti code mixed with hard-coded logic; like the identity view implementing a password check field and a realname and username editor, but then pulling the password editor from somewhere else, even though one would presume these objects will always either be in this view (or at least the code
[00:01] <MTecknology> presumes this).
[00:05] <MTecknology> I'm struggling to find any way to disable that disk partitioning prompt. I could drop it from client.py, but that file is already loaded in order to run my early-commands, so it's too late to simply drop those lines from my version; and it's from snap, so modifying it on the iso is going to be exceptionally non-trivial.
[00:13] <MTecknology> dbungert: Without actually digging deeper, when I look at update_for_state() in installprogress.py, I get a feeling that simply removing one of the cases would cause an automatic failure due to an unhandled non-exception, which seems like the sorta logic that is going to cause lots of other headaches from surprise cross-project dependencies.
[00:14] <MTecknology> in other words -> https://dpaste.com/A5AHY46GX.txt
[00:51] <MTecknology> Ah ... I guess I can't actually make changes to this anyway because it's running inside of a read-only file system.
[01:15] <MTecknology> How the heck do I get nvidia to stop trying to install it's own mok cert??
[02:41] <MTecknology> Found it! Ubuntu's shim-signed uses hard-coded paths, completely disregarding the standard created by the dkms package. (seems like a bug)
[10:38] <ice9> what is the correct way to redirect specific log to a file in rsyslog? I tried ":msg, contain, ...." but it's still going to the kernel log.


[00:04] <ikonia> done
[00:25] <Mamarok> maco: Lucida has been told repeatedly already for Spanish, this is getting annoying
[00:27] <maco> Mamarok: bah. i see.
[00:28] <Mamarok> and s/he PM'ed people randomly asking them where they are from
[00:59] <maco> argh. ok. does she speak english then?
[01:00] <maco> or was it "de donde eres?"
[01:00] <maco> Mamarok: ^
[01:02] <Mamarok> exactly, apparently she just PM'ed somebody else
[01:02] <Mamarok> Maybe a gentle kick if she does it again might me needed
[01:14] <maco> yes
[01:14] <maco> however the !pm factoid is in english right?
[01:18] <maco> Mamarok: ok i just said in the channel, in spanish, the rules to her
[01:18] <maco> (or at least something approximating spanish...)
[01:23] <maco> ok she pm'd me now. repeated the request not to pm without permission and told her i would remove her from #kubuntu if she continued
[01:30] <maco> Mamarok: she says she's in #kubuntu-es now
[06:04] <maco> there was no factoid for u-w-project and the nick list was out of date for u-w
[06:24] <bazhang> !no ops-#ubuntu-women is BWEEP! Channel emergency! PriceChild, Nightrose, JanC, Aishiko, Gary, christel, Susana, Hobbsee, pleia2, LadyFrost, elky, Myrtti, hypa7ia, maco, nikkiana, Gareth, akgraner, svaksha, Mamarok, MichelleQ, Pendulum, or akk!
[06:24] <bazhang> whoops
[06:24] <maco> whoops?
[06:24] <bazhang> !no ops-#ubuntu-women is <reply> BWEEP! Channel emergency! PriceChild, Nightrose, JanC, Aishiko, Gary, christel, Susana, Hobbsee, pleia2, LadyFrost, elky, Myrtti, hypa7ia, maco, nikkiana, Gareth, akgraner, svaksha, Mamarok, MichelleQ, Pendulum, or akk!
[06:25] <maco> oh
[06:25] <maco> the reply word
[06:25] <bazhang> yep
[06:26] <maco> bazhang: -project too?
[06:26] <bazhang> maco #ubuntu-women-project ?
[06:26] <maco> yeah. it has a different list. i said it up there ^
[06:27] <bazhang> ok
[06:27] <maco> thanks
[06:27] <bazhang> !no ops-#ubuntu-women-project is <reply> BWEEP! Channel emergency! Help akgraner, pleia2, elky, hypa7ia, maco, Hobbsee, Gareth, Myrtti, jussi01, or Pici!
[06:28] <bazhang> !ops-#ubuntu-women-project is <reply> BWEEP! Channel emergency! Help akgraner, pleia2, elky, hypa7ia, maco, Hobbsee, Gareth, Myrtti, jussi01, or Pici!
[06:28] <bazhang> maco, that should work
[06:29] <maco> bazhang: thank you
[07:10] <Mamarok> bazhang: I am an op in #ubuntu-women-project, too
[07:11] <Mamarok> maco: ^
[07:11] <maco> not according to chanserv, unless you're on the ircc
[07:12] <Mamarok> maco: well, ask agraner
[07:12] <maco> or freenode staff
[07:12] <Mamarok> unless I was removed
[07:12] <Mamarok> but nobody told me
[07:13] <maco> i dont think anyone ever got around to making the access lists match
[07:13] <maco> because remember we talked about there being like 10 people missing from -project's list?
[07:13] <Mamarok> yes, I do *sigh*
[07:13] <mneptok> Mamarok: rumor has it you're involved with the FSFE
[07:13] <Mamarok> mneptok: oh, does it? :)
[07:14] <mneptok> Mamarok: indeed :)
[07:14] <mneptok> Mamarok: http://www.flickr.com/photos/luciansavluc/522938931/sizes/o/
[07:14] <mneptok> Mamarok: Georg and i are old chums. small world.
[07:14] <Mamarok> why is this a rumor? I always was, long before I started being involved with Ubuntu
[07:19] <bazhang> well if you can op there you are op :)
[07:19] <bazhang> Mamarok, I'll edit the factoid
[07:19] <maco> i dont think she can though...
[07:19] <maco> i dont have access to fix the access list
[07:19] <bazhang> ok
[07:19] <Mamarok> if I am not in the chanserv list, I doubt I can
[07:19] <maco> i asked amber but i think she forgot
[07:20] <Mamarok> well, maybe remembering her might be useful :)
[07:20] <bazhang> well it can be changed in a thrice
[14:32]  * genii makes a fresh pot of coffee
[15:20] <Pici> !test
[15:43] <jussi01> anyone up for some wolfie?
[18:28] <topyli> !away > Katie|Away
[21:24] <robertzaccour> hey yall
[21:24] <robertzaccour> i want to appeal a chat ban on me
[21:25] <robertzaccour> i have the chat records in email also
[21:33] <TheSheep> There are some links in the topic with advices
[21:34] <robertzaccour> here's the chat log
[21:34] <robertzaccour> http://pastebin.com/1mcXwB3x
[21:35] <robertzaccour> please read through it and as you can see, the hostility is mainly directed toward me
[21:37] <robertzaccour> and i get banned after nicely correcting a couple of the mod's buddies
[21:37] <maco> you mean after you started making jokes about guns and murder?
[21:38] <robertzaccour> maco, the ban was after i nicely corrected a couple of the mod's buddies, and i apologized for making jokes before asking about chat user sensitivity
[21:39] <robertzaccour> i admit the jokes should have remained unsaid, but getting banned for nicely correcting misinformed users?
[21:40] <robertzaccour> and i don't recall any jokes about murder
[21:40] <TheSheep> you got banned for the jokes and for not stopping when told to by an op, that's why you got a link to the guidelines with your ban message
[21:40] <maco> i dont see the bit about misinformed users
[21:41] <robertzaccour> maco, its down near the end when a user tries to have an argue fest with me i have no idea why
[21:41] <TheSheep> robertzaccour: that's unrelated to your ban
[21:41] <TheSheep> I guess
[21:42] <maco> yeah i think the ban was just slow
[21:42] <maco> though possibly this is what was the final push over:
 i like to joke around. i admit i didn't check to make sure my audience wasn't sensitive, however its not my fault certain people got their panties in a bunch
[21:42] <maco> it's up to you to take responsibility for your offensiveness.
[21:44] <robertzaccour> maco, that part i shouldn't have said, however did you notice from the start of the chat til the end, i was being criticized for no reason?
[21:44] <robertzaccour> maco, start from the top and see. did the mod reprimand his buddies? throughout the chat session he did not
[21:45] <TheSheep> that's not realted to your ban though
[21:45] <robertzaccour> maco, i don't think you realize the biased behavior in the chat
[21:45] <maco> i see people (correctly) telling you you're wrong, and then i see people getting annoyed after your inappropriate attempt at humour
[21:46] <robertzaccour> maco, do you also see the insulting sarcasm with it?
[21:46] <maco> i also see multiple ops telling you your jokes were inappropriate
[21:46] <maco> and giving you warnings about it
[21:46] <robertzaccour> maco, and i apologized
[21:47] <maco> telling people their panties are in a bunch does not an apology make
[21:47] <TheSheep> robertzaccour: are you trying to say that your ban should be lifted because someone else also behaved wrong?
[21:48] <robertzaccour> TheSheep, i think it should be because of the obvious criticism throughout the chat. i didn't refrain from inappropriate jokes, however i also help people in the chat when i can rather than insulting them
[21:48] <maco> ah the old two wrongs make a right?
[21:49] <robertzaccour> is what i did worse than insulting a user for having a question? i at least help users when i can
[21:50] <TheSheep> robertzaccour: the thing is, ops have to work to keep such jokes outside the channel, even if it means that some helpful people get banned -- hopefully, we can get those people to help without behaving inapropriately
[21:50] <robertzaccour> TheSheep, and was me being insulted for no reason from the start of the chat appropriate behavior?
[21:50] <TheSheep> robertzaccour: at least that's my understanding, as I don't really have power in that particular channel
[21:51] <TheSheep> robertzaccour: I take it the behavior of other people was dealt with apropriately too, but we are talking about you now
[21:52] <robertzaccour> the mod had nothing to say to rude users, just the guy that told jokes he didn't like. shouldn't mods be more moderated maybe? perhaps get user feedback? recommendations? etc
[21:52] <robertzaccour> TheSheep, if you read the chat it wasn't dealt with at all
[21:52] <TheSheep> robertzaccour: it's a difficult thing to moderate such a big channel, but some things are clearly off limits
[21:52] <robertzaccour> it was completely biased toward certain users and against me
[21:53] <robertzaccour> TheSheep, is disrespecting other users off limits? is the mods doing nothing about it at all off limits?
[21:53] <robertzaccour> if you read the chat its clear biasedness
[21:54] <TheSheep> yes, it was biased agains people who do things that are explicitly and clearly forbidden, because that's easy to judge, being rude is harder to judge
[21:54] <TheSheep> that still doesn't make you innocent
[21:54] <robertzaccour> TheSheep, is being rude to other people in chat clearly forbidden?
[21:54] <TheSheep> there is no mathematical formula for rudeness
[21:54] <robertzaccour> TheSheep, i didn't say it did. i even apologized and was about to again but i couldn't because i was banned
[21:55] <TheSheep> lelet me clarify something
[21:55] <TheSheep> are you here to talk about your ban?
[21:55] <robertzaccour> TheSheep, read from the top down a little ways and notice blatant rudeness
[21:55] <robertzaccour> TheSheep, thats partly it, and also the biasedness in the chat with the ops
[21:56] <TheSheep> you will have to handle that separately
[21:56] <robertzaccour> did the mods say anything to the users that were rude to me? maybe some of the mods abuse their power in the chats
[21:57] <TheSheep> your ban can be probably dealt with here (not by me though), with the rest you should probably follow the appeal process or something
[21:58] <TheSheep> the link in the topic has some details
[21:58] <robertzaccour> TheSheep, you have the chat log right their
[21:58] <TheSheep> but I'm not a moderator of that channel
[21:58] <TheSheep> I can only give you advice
[21:59] <TheSheep> and hope that it helps somehow
[21:59] <robertzaccour> ok thanks
[22:00] <robertzaccour> hey
[22:00] <robertzaccour> which contact link do i click?
[22:00] <robertzaccour> ubuntu-irc email or council email?
[22:01] <TheSheep> I'd read about the process first, I never went through that myself so can't tell
[22:02] <maco> council, i think
[22:03] <robertzaccour> thanks
[23:46] <kn1200> Is webchat banned in #ubuntu or is me specifically that is banned (my nick usually is kn100 but am having system trouble at the minute)
[23:47] <mneptok> webchat users should get an auto-exemption from the bots when they try to /join
[23:47] <mneptok> @login
[23:49] <kn1200> So it's not 'me' that is banned, it's an issue with the channel?
[23:49] <mneptok> unknown. i'm looking into it.
[23:49] <kn1200> OK thanks :D
[23:51] <mneptok> there does not seem to be a ban for you
[23:51] <mneptok> so maybe the bots are having a bit of difficulty
[23:52] <mneptok> are you using a system with a JRE?
[23:53] <kn1200> I assume so, I think xubuntu comes with a JRE by default
[23:53] <mneptok> try this - http://www.bratschi.net/cbirc/cbirc.jnlp
[23:54] <kn1200> It's just asking me to save the file
[23:54]  * mnep_jnlp waves
[23:54] <mnep_jnlp> works for me :)
[23:54] <kn1200> don't worry though, I'll just get xchat and connect through that
[23:54] <mneptok> there ya go
[23:55] <mneptok> webchat is sooooo ghetto
[23:55] <mneptok> :P
[23:55] <kn1200> but before I do that, is there a way I can install the nvidia drivers without having to use jockey? jockey just won't find the drivers even though it has works every other time
[23:55] <kn1200> heh
[23:55] <mneptok> sorry, this is not a support channel
[23:56] <kn1200> Ok, thanks anyway
[23:56] <kn1200> o/


[08:26] <vadmeste> ping elacheche, how you doing?
[08:27] <elacheche> Hello vadmeste! Doing fine, thanks! What about you?
[08:31] <vadmeste> good, thanks.. still working remotely ?
[10:27] <elacheche> Yep..