[01:50] <pleia2> been working on SCALE stuff today, no time to write summaries really :(
[02:08] <akgraner> no worries
[07:49] <dholbach> good morning
[08:02] <bkerensa> =o
[08:03]  * bkerensa works on summaries a bit
[08:04] <dholbach> nice :)
[08:05] <bkerensa> I wish I knew which stuff needed them and didnt though :)
[08:05] <bkerensa> akgraner will have to give me a walk through on UWN stuff sometime
[10:38] <akgraner> hi all
[10:39] <akgraner> bkerensa, I can do that :-)
[10:39] <akgraner> thank you for your help I'll start moving stuff over this morning and adding place holders ans stuff
[10:46] <bkerensa> no problem... I saw pleia2 was busy with scale and wanted to help atleast :)
[10:46] <bkerensa> Btw have you checked out Prezi?
[10:48] <bkerensa> http://prezi.com/_tjmrxlithma/what-is-ubuntu-demo/
[12:17] <dholbach> bkerensa, nice work on the next issue!
[12:25] <akgraner> nope /me looks
[12:26] <akgraner> bkerensa, interesting
[12:34] <dholbach> bkerensa, do we have a picture for the interview too? :)
[17:11] <akgraner> pleia2, I mean to say "Some days I really dislike wiki pages :-/" in this window :-)
[17:13] <pleia2> heh :)
[17:14] <pleia2> I can do editorial review later, but it would be great if you could handle release
[17:15] <pleia2> the cached copy of mhall's blog http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://mhall119.com/2012/01/ubuntu-tv-the-case-for-unity/
[17:16] <pleia2> I let him know his site is down (if he didn't realize)
[17:17]  * pleia2 back to work
[17:27] <akgraner> ok
[17:27] <akgraner> I'm back and forth between the wiki and the googledoc now
[17:28] <akgraner> so if anyone wants to get in the wiki let me know - as I am sure my lock will time out
[19:10] <akgraner> ok all the summaries are in. :-)
[19:11] <MrChrisDruif> Great
[19:11] <akgraner> pleia2, I'm taking Becca to an appointment, but will be back in about an hour and a half then I'll publish if someone could review while I'm afk
[19:11] <akgraner> MrChrisDruif, :-)
[19:12] <MrChrisDruif> Link to review 247?
[19:12] <akgraner> crap I have edit conflicts with myself
[19:13] <akgraner> one sec let me clean this up
[19:13] <akgraner> sigh
[19:13] <akgraner> I hate the wiki somedays
[19:13] <MrChrisDruif> Edit conflicts with yourself...that is awkward
[19:16] <akgraner> yep - one sec this is a bit messy
[19:18] <pleia2> the flavors meetings weren't pulled over, we need to add that section to the IssueTemplate
[19:18]  * pleia2 does the template now
[19:20] <akgraner> ok saving now
[19:21] <akgraner> pleia2, they weren't updated this week
[19:21] <akgraner> so I left them out but if someone wants to do them while I'm out that would be cool
[19:21] <pleia2> edubuntu and xubuntu were
[19:21]  * MrChrisDruif gets to it
[19:21] <akgraner> Ahh ok
[19:21] <MrChrisDruif> As well as Lubuntu
[19:21] <akgraner> pleia2, sorry I guess I read the dates wrong
[19:21] <akgraner> :-/
[19:21] <MrChrisDruif> Edubuntu might even move again to weekly meetings
[19:22] <pleia2> this newsletter covers 9th through 15th, those meetings were on the 9th and 11th
[19:23] <akgraner> I was looking at Lubuntu
[19:23] <MrChrisDruif> Did I forgot to update that one?
[19:24] <pleia2> MrChrisDruif: yeah, Lubuntu is listing the meeting on the 4th
[19:24] <akgraner> the wiki is saving now - just change it there
[19:24] <akgraner> :-)
[19:24] <MrChrisDruif> I've got the link for the 11th
[19:25] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue248
[19:27] <akgraner> pleia2, I'll be back at 16:30 or so my time - and I'll add In This Issue then publish
[19:27] <akgraner> does that work for ya?
[19:27] <pleia2> yep, I'll review once MrChrisDruif is done
[19:27] <akgraner> great- thanks!
[19:28] <akgraner> oh did you see I +1 all your thoughts about the wiki pages?  You rock!
[19:28] <akgraner> bbiab
[19:33]  * MrChrisDruif didn't see the thoughts about the wiki pages
[19:34] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, pleia2 the summaries look good, but I don't have time to check if all the links correspond with the summaries etc. You're up ^_^
[19:35] <pleia2> thanks
[21:42] <pleia2> got stuck with an emergency at work, I'll review in 15 minutes or so
[21:59] <akgraner> hey all
[22:00] <akgraner> pleia2, I can check the links if ya want - is there anything else besides in this issue?
[22:00] <Unit193> Hello, Ms Graner
[22:01] <akgraner> Unit193, hi you're making me feel old :-P
[22:02] <akgraner> Unit193,  just teasing ya
[22:02] <akgraner> how are you
[22:03] <Unit193> I am alive, how about there?
[22:03] <Unit193> (And that's what is supposed to happen)
[22:03] <pleia2> akgraner: finished my review, you can check links
[22:04] <akgraner> pleia2, will do then I'll publish :-)  bbiab
[22:04] <pleia2> thanks :)
[22:26] <akgraner> did you know http://www.ubuntu.com/news is a redirect to http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/news-and-events
[22:27] <akgraner> I would have thought it would have re-directed to the Fridge :-/
[22:39] <MrChrisDruif> I didn't know it, but I confirm your findings
[22:42] <pleia2> that's disappointing
[22:43] <MrChrisDruif> Yup
[22:47] <akgraner> pleia2, yep
[22:50] <akgraner> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here:
[22:50] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue248
[22:50] <akgraner> Thanks everybody!
[22:51] <MrChrisDruif> You're welcome akgraner


[01:44] <dherman> does anyone know how I can get libfaad to compile into the trunk?
[03:02] <q_a_z_steve> Can someone help me with arccos? I've heard dd_rescue can work through this?
[03:05] <rhpot1991> dd_rescue /dev/dvd /wherever/youwant/your.iso /wherever/youwant/your.iso.log
[03:05] <rhpot1991> let it run for a while, when its only choking on errors you can ^c it and your iso should be good
[03:05] <rhpot1991> it will skip errors and come back to them later, and if you ^c you can resume if you made the log
[03:08] <q_a_z_steve> cool
[03:36] <tv_> Can anyone tell me why I get only a blue screen with mythbuntu when playing HD content?  I think it's my intel 915 video but I am not sure what the correct fix is... all I can find is old fixes for Feisty and earlier... what's the fix for the latest mythbuntu?
[04:25] <superm1> tv_, generally not enough video ram is being allocated
[04:25] <superm1> tv_, there may be xorg parameters to control this or bios settings
[04:36] <tv_> superm1, thanks... I am trying to update the system bios now... it's a bit old... if that doesn't work I will see how much ram is currently allocated in the bios configuration... finally I will try the different XORG settings.
[15:23] <Belboz99> Hey all
[15:24] <Belboz99> anyone know if there's a quick way to get either an NVidia MX400 or an ATI Radeon 7000 to display at 1920x1080 on an LCD TV?
[15:24] <Belboz99> I know it works with the Radeon 7000, it did when I first installed, and for about 3 months after, but then it broke with an update or something
[15:25] <Belboz99> the Nvidia I never had any luck with, but apparently there was a bug preventing nvidia-settings from maintaining a decent resolution
[15:39] <teprrr> hi, can anyone say if there's some reason why mplayer is used instead of internal player per default for playing videos?
[15:39] <superm1> nothing we did to force that
[15:39] <superm1> its how upstream mythtv distributes it
[15:40] <teprrr> hmm, and mythtv devels say that internal has been default for a long time or so :)
[15:40] <superm1> hmm interesting.
[15:40] <superm1> was this an upgrade install?
[15:40] <superm1> or an addon to an existing backend etc?
[15:41] <teprrr> not an upgrade, clean installation, though iirc I used alternative cd to make the base system and then installed mythbuntu metapackage
[15:41] <superm1> well that would give the same result at least
[15:42] <laga> it's not the default for some file types AFAIK
[15:44] <teprrr> ah, seemed to be an upstream issue
[15:44] <teprrr> only dvd player was changed to internal.. so 0.22 will perhaps use internal as default for videos too
[15:51] <jphillip> in all honesty internal is nice, but just doesn't work for some things
[16:19] <Belboz99> okay, I put the nvidia card back in, still no dice with getting it to display properly on the HDTV
[16:20] <Belboz99> what's really bugging the heck out of me is why I can properly enable the nvidia driver, yet the nvidia-settings tool doesn't detect the driver
[16:33] <teprrr> hmm, which is way to go for lirc configs, ~/.mythtv/lircrc or ~/.lirc/mythtv?
[16:35] <superm1> typically ~/.mythtv/lircrc is a symlink to ~/.lirc/mythtv
[16:35] <superm1> after you run mythbuntu-lirc-generator
[16:36] <teprrr> ah, yes it is.. just run mythbuntu-lirc.. and -lircrc-generators
[16:39] <teprrr> btw, should signal meter work without any configurations?
[16:39] <teprrr> f7 does nothing in my installation, for reason or another
[16:40] <superm1> you mean the key to turn on signal meter?
[16:40] <superm1> it depends on the device whether or not its functional
[16:40] <superm1> some dvb devices don't properly report
[16:46] <teprrr> aa, ok. could be that. though it doesn't get displayed at all
[16:46] <teprrr> but on channel change it tells the snr and stuff though
[16:53] <superm1> oh well the key being bound, again we don't stray from upstream's keybinds
[16:58] <teprrr> ok, just wondering as myth's wiki lists f7 to show the meter.ö perhaps that's been changed since it was written or something
[19:34] <balz> I'm using a PVR-150 with a MCE remote (dark grey) and i can't change channels using the channel up/down buttons.  I can, hoewver select channels 1 through 9 using the number buttons.  Why is this?
[19:35] <balz> I'm using a PVR-150 with a MCE remote (dark grey) and i can't change channels using the channel up/down buttons.  I can, hoewver select channels 1 through 9 using the number buttons.  Why is this?
[19:37] <rhpot1991_laptop> balz: you normally have to hit the chup/down and then hit enter
[19:38] <balz> rhpot1991_laptop:  let me try that real quick
[19:38] <balz> no go
[19:39] <balz> i can see the ir reciever lighting up but that's it
[19:41] <balz> rhpot1991_laptop:  do you think it could have something to do with the keybindings in the mythtv frontend?  I tried setting the channel up/down to a few different things with the remote and the channel buttons come up as up/down just like the rup down arrow buttons...
[19:43] <rhpot1991_laptop> if they don't match up that could do it
[19:44] <balz> rhpot1991_laptop: I admit i'm a bit lost... what should i do?
[19:44] <rhpot1991_laptop> run irw hit the buttons see what its sending, then go make those the keybindings
[19:45] <balz> in the config file or in the myth frontend?
[19:46] <rhpot1991_laptop> frontend is the easiest
[19:52] <balz> okay i'll try that. thanks
[19:58] <balz> rhpot1991_laptop:  ugh my monitor is out and i can't read anything on the tv screen.  If you have a few minutes, do you think you could ssh in and help me out?  If you're busy that's fine
[20:15] <zinkeldonk> from what I've read, I want to put the video capture card (Hauppage PVR-150) in the front-end host, and just run the database on the backend server. Is this an acceptable way of doing things?
[20:18] <balz> zinkeldonk:  your frontend/backend is on a different machine?
[20:20] <zinkeldonk> Ja. I want them to be. I don't want a noisy fan in my living room....And hard disks = noise....
[20:21] <zinkeldonk> So want to have my capture card in fan-less machine in living room and it must NFS mount the movies/whatever from the fan'ned machine elsewhere...
[20:21] <zinkeldonk> Or that's what I was thinking.
[20:21] <balz> right:  well if you install from the mythbuntu iso (which i strongly reccommend), or maybe even when you first install mythtv, you have the option to do an advanced setup and this will allow you to define a separate frontend/backend
[20:21] <balz> and it shoudl configure automatically
[20:22] <zinkeldonk> Ok. I understood from a friend that mythbuntu still had some problems. So thought I would try install from ubuntu...
[20:22] <zinkeldonk> Gives me a chance to see how it all slings together.
[20:22] <balz> sure. mythbuntu doesn't have any problems that i've come across
[20:22] <balz> it's a bit gutted but that's about it
[20:22] <zinkeldonk> Ok. Perhaps I'll give it a whirl then....
[20:22] <balz> but either way the setup should be pretty easy
[20:23] <balz> and to be perfectly honest, i run a combined myth frontend/backend and it's not very noisy
[20:23] <zinkeldonk> Got it installed on USB stick right now....so boots off that and is beautifully silent!
[20:24] <zinkeldonk> Using an EPIA LN mini-itx motherboard for the front-end.
[20:24] <zinkeldonk> Or am trying that....
[20:26] <balz> oh wow
[20:26] <balz> that's a nice setup
[20:27] <zinkeldonk> Well.I gotta get it to work first...then I will gloat :-)
[20:28] <zinkeldonk> All the reading indicates tho that I need to have capture card in the backend....which could be a pain from an IR perspecive as well as having to re-route the arial cable.....
[20:29] <balz> right. that's absolutely true
[20:30] <balz> the pvr goes int he backend
[20:30] <zinkeldonk> I guess I could make the EPIA board both the backend and the front-end with the database residing in the attic server....
[20:31] <balz> well let me ask you a question
[20:31] <zinkeldonk> In the end, I want the 500G HHD in the attic, and the database...but that should be possible surely...
[20:31] <balz> how many frontends are you planning on having?
[20:31] <zinkeldonk> Mounting the videos/whatever over NFS
[20:31] <zinkeldonk> or nbd or some such thing.
[20:31] <zinkeldonk> For now, 1
[20:32] <balz> because if i were you, i'd have a combined frontend/backend server in your main viewing area, but have the storage take place somehwere else either over nfs or samba
[20:32] <zinkeldonk> But if this works, I'd like to set this up at our remote (oil-rig) type site at work.
[20:32] <balz> and that should take care of the greater part of the nosie issue
[20:33] <zinkeldonk> Good point balz.....Ja. What you're suggesting is exactly what I want...
[20:33] <zinkeldonk> I could install the MySQL on the attic server surely....and just point the backend there....
[20:33] <balz> yeah, but why bother?
[20:34] <zinkeldonk> I guess 'cause I got limited storage on the USB stick....
[20:34] <balz> couldn't you use another one?
[20:34] <zinkeldonk> I could put in another USB stick to store the mySQL database
[20:34] <zinkeldonk> Sure.
[20:34] <balz> have a stick for the backend/frontend and a stick for the mysql
[20:34] <balz> yeah
[20:34] <balz> i'd do that
[20:35] <zinkeldonk> Excellent. I am note sure how long these USB sticks will last given that they have a limited write lifespan...but hey....they're cheap as dirt.
[20:35] <balz> trust me, it's enough of a pain to get one combined server workign lol
[20:35] <balz> well that's kind of a problem of the past anyway
[20:35] <zinkeldonk> Oh. Ok. Well, I'm about to find that out :-)
[20:35] <balz> and there won't be that many write ops once it's configured
[20:35] <balz> =)
[20:35] <zinkeldonk> Ja.
[20:36] <zinkeldonk> I guess the really big files will come over the NFS/samba mount....but Mysql, it that only to store the indexes of what's available...
[20:36] <balz> Does anybody  know why I can't change channels with my MCE remote?
[20:36] <zinkeldonk> I need to do more reading on myth
[20:36] <balz> right
[20:37] <balz> I wouldn't even displace the mysql database. just buy a bigger flash drive
[20:37] <balz> unless you're on a strict budget
[20:37] <zinkeldonk> Ja. You've convinced me. Thanks mate.
[20:37] <balz> haha no problem
[20:37] <balz> good luck!
[20:37] <zinkeldonk> Not really. Well...not an endless budget of the boss-lady will swat me....
[20:38] <zinkeldonk> But certainly it'll extend to a couple more USB keys....
[20:38] <balz> haha yeah i know the feeling
[20:38] <balz> haha well that's a start
[20:38] <zinkeldonk> :-D
[20:38] <balz> Women... you can't live them and you can't live without them
[20:38] <zinkeldonk> Something like that....
[20:39] <zinkeldonk> Alright mate. Thanks again for the advice. Heading for Neverland now. Cheers.
[20:40] <balz> haha alright. take care
[20:40] <balz> I'm unable to change channels using my MCE remote (that otherwise works beatuifully)  What gives?  Anybody know how i can start diagnosing the problem?  I'm able to change the channels if I use the number buttons but not with the channel up/down buttons
[20:54] <Easy_Rider9999> hallo! After attaching a screen with DVI suddenly live TV is messy (before I had vga) and the TV-OUT is not available (I have Geforce 6200) Should I use another driver instead of the proprietary ones?
[20:54] <NTolerance> you using an HDTV or LCD monitor?
[21:06] <Easy_Rider9999> I am using an LCD with a resolution of 1280x1024
[21:10] <NTolerance> Easy_Rider9999: one sec
[21:15] <NTolerance> Easy_Rider9999: do you use a TV along w/ the monitor?
[21:15] <Easy_Rider9999> TV-Out is no more available after I switched to DVI
[21:16] <NTolerance> i don't have a complete solution for you, but it seems like just going w/ the VGA is better than messing about w/ drivers and such
[21:16] <NTolerance> very little difference between DVI and VGA, especially at that resolution
[21:18] <Easy_Rider9999> I will try this solution, perhaps there will be an update of the Nvidia driver sometime
[21:18] <Easy_Rider9999> thanks
[21:18] <NTolerance> it's also wise to stick w/ the driver in the repositories
[21:18] <NTolerance> better support and easier to work with
[21:18] <NTolerance> manually installing drivers is troublesome because you have to re-do it each time a new kernel update is released
[21:28] <Shadow__X> hello everyone
[21:29] <Shadow__X> out of the blue i am getting no lock on my hvr-1800 but my 1600 works fine
[22:10] <kemic> when i click watch tv on the main menu it displays 1 frame, sometimes only a half a frame, then freezes for a bit and displays another. Any idea how to fix this? Hardware: ATI TV Wonder Pro and ATI Radeon 9550 (both work fine on Mythdora so not an issue with MythTV) I like Mythbuntu more so if possible I'd like to make it work.
[22:11] <laga> check the log files in /var/log/mythtv/
[22:18] <kemic> oo sorry
[22:18] <kemic> what should i be looking for errors in general?
[23:11] <tgm4883_laptop> frink_, ping
[23:45] <kemic> laga: http://pastebin.com/m58dc3dfd (backend) http://pastebin.com/m1bcf9d53 (frontend) or anyone else who wants to help me these are the errors i'm getting from the frontend log and backend log. In the frontend i highlighted the **May be very slow** part because this is the problem i'm having after clicking Watch TV.
[23:46] <laga> kemic: what VGA card to you have?
[23:47] <kemic> radeon 9550
[23:48] <laga> okay, can you pastebin the output of "xvinfo"?
[23:48] <kemic> sure sec..
[23:50] <kemic> http://pastebin.com/m70a83f16
[23:51] <kemic> problem i assume
[23:52] <laga> yeah. can i take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[23:54] <kemic> sec
[23:57] <kemic> http://pastebin.com/d1fd65b82
[23:59] <kemic> anyideas?


[01:30] <puff> tgm4883: You there?
[08:26] <hot_wheelz> Hi can anyone help with this error failed to reinitialize video output with proprietary ati driver installed running MythTV 0.23 on Mythbuntu 10.04 works fine uninstalled (HD4550)
[08:30] <Existance0> anyone here?
[08:59] <Jay2k1> Existance0 just state your problem, there are quite some people here, but they're not always at their computer looking at the channel
[09:05] <Existance0> Its ok :p I already found an answer elsewhere.
[11:15] <hot_wheelz> problem solved
[11:16] <Jay2k1> what was it
[11:18] <hot_wheelz> i had to change the display when output (Res) in the ATI Catalyst Control Center first then it was fine
[11:19] <hot_wheelz> but is there a simple way to get\enable  sound over HDMI
[12:37] <Scuttle> is anyone using the Terratec H5 or H7 USB here in ubuntu?
[17:34] <qwebirc43293> hi, anyone here?
[17:35] <qwebirc43293> i would need help at getting my Technisat Skystar 2 working
[17:38] <qwebirc43293> i do not know the correct settings at mythtv backend,
[21:12] <recsa> Hi, guys, i come to you in a last attempt to stop the forces of evil XDDD, my wife's brother (dont remember how that is said in english) has recently setup a windows media center, im trying to setup a mythbuntu but sadly im not skilled enough in linux config (i switch from windows world to linux world just a couple months ago) so im having a bad time setting up my mythbuntu, im slepin 3 hours a day trying to have this runing, but still
[21:12] <recsa>  no success an my wife keps saying .. "make it windows, my brother can help you ..." i would rather let a truck pass over me some times before letting him do it XDDDDD please help me get in th right addres
[21:12] <recsa> sorry for this wall text
[21:12] <recsa> my main problems are:
[21:13] <recsa> 1- IR remote control not working
[21:13] <recsa> 2- DVD not playing movies, weird screen and exits
[21:14] <recsa> 3- After reboot --> Watch TV --A error all input are in use ... etc
[21:15] <recsa> Im using Mythbuntu 10.04 setup as both backend and frontend. Using Haupaugge HVR-1120
[21:16] <recsa> If someone has the heart to point me in the right direction, i wil be very grateful, thx in advance
[21:18] <mrand> recsa: IR remote setup is often easiest done via mythbuntu control centre, so be sure to use that as a starting point.  As for the other two problems, no specific ideas.  Enable auto-builds to make sure you aren't running into something that is already fixed.  If that doesn't help, search on the forums, mythtv-users mailing list, or #mythtv-users
[21:19] <recsa> i tried the MCC but looks like it pops up the lirc config files with weird data. Regarding the auto builds ... wheres that option?
[21:20] <mrand> It's referred to as the PPA within MCC I believe
[21:20] <recsa> gonna try that
[21:21] <Jay2k1> as for the dvd thing, i couldn't get it to work as well
[21:21] <recsa> dont think i come here and ask without having done my part, ive been reading forums and google pages for several hours every night, trying almost everything i have found, im starting to think that 10.04 is too bugy or that lacks enough community support
[21:21] <Jay2k1> now i updated to 0.23 though, didn't try since
[21:22] <Jay2k1> whenever i put in a dvd and selected watch dvd in myth, it'd just show a blank screen or so and instantly return to the frontend
[21:22] <recsa> its just that i see the give up moment coming and wanted to ask :)
[21:22] <recsa> jay2k1, same here
[21:22] <Jay2k1> oh don't give up
[21:23] <Jay2k1> it's so much fun when it's working
[21:23] <Jay2k1> can be a long path until you get there but it's worth it
[21:23] <recsa> im trying to install a pack of codecs lik ffsomething, think i read somewhere it can help
[21:29] <recsa> bah, ffmpeg is already installed, that wasnt the solution
[21:32] <recsa> any1 has a Haupauge HVR-1100? i would like to see working hardware.conf and lircd.conf files
[22:02] <recsa> mmm how could i check if i have libdvdcss2 already installed?
[22:10] <muns> wow i'm back ;( any takers on help with this HVR-1600 with mythbuntu.  Yes i followed the wiki and yes i done everything cept the compiling of the ivtv drivers, done the firmware and added the ivtv for analog and also the digital side and still nada
[22:14] <muns> mythbuntu 10.04 fully updated, with auto-builds 0.23, HVR-1600 w/remote
[22:21] <recsa> YAYAYAY Mythbuntu 934 - recsa 1!!!
[22:21] <recsa> DVD playback solved
[22:22] <recsa> for any reason, 10.04 MCC cant install the DVD support, but manually doing it fixes it
[22:31] <Jay2k1> recsa how?
[22:31] <recsa> add medibuntu repository to software sources
[22:32] <recsa> then install libdvdcss2 from synaptic
[22:32] <recsa> sec ill c&p
[22:35] <recsa> echo deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ lucid free non-free | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:35] <Zinn> [packages.medibuntu.org] Medibuntu -- Medibuntu packages
[22:36] <recsa> wget -q http://packages.medibuntu.org/medibuntu-key.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[22:36] <Zinn> [packages.medibuntu.org]
[22:36] <recsa> sudo apt-get update
[22:36] <recsa> then just synaptic it
[22:37] <recsa> still having some setup troubles with internal player, but mplayer an vlc plays them perfectly
[22:47] <recsa> bah changed all playback to mplayer no problem now
[22:47] <recsa> if just lir woul want to read my remoe i would be happy
[22:48] <recsa> *lirc *remote
[22:55] <recsa> installing auto-builds, .... on last stage it says "open synaptic and install updates as you normally would" .... updates to which pakage?
[22:57] <Jay2k1> i guess all
[22:58] <recsa> it means i should go synaptic an update MythTV?
[22:59] <recsa> i just installed mythbuntu 10.04 guess im up to date
[22:59] <Jay2k1> a simple apt-get update && apt-get upgrade will do
[22:59] <recsa> should i do that?
[22:59] <Jay2k1> it just wants to tell you to fetch the new package lists (i'm sure enabling auto builds adds new repos)
[22:59] <Jay2k1> and then check for updated packages
[22:59] <recsa> if that helps fix my remote, i can try
[22:59] <Jay2k1> dunno if that'll do that
[23:00] <Jay2k1> so, step by step
[23:00] <Jay2k1> is it recognized by irw?
[23:01] <recsa> irw?
[23:01] <Jay2k1> open a terminal
[23:01] <recsa> whats that?
[23:01] <Jay2k1> type irw
[23:01] <Jay2k1> does it say something?
[23:01] <recsa> nothing
[23:01] <Jay2k1> ok, point your remote at the receiver
[23:01] <Jay2k1> press a few keys
[23:02] <recsa> nothing
[23:02] <Jay2k1> hmm, too bad, ctrl-c out of irw
[23:02] <Jay2k1> i configured my remote all by hand
[23:02] <Jay2k1> hang on a sec
[23:02] <recsa> sure, thx
[23:03] <recsa> im using  Hauppauge 1120 remote
[23:03] <Jay2k1> http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu2.php
[23:03] <Zinn> [parker1.co.uk] MythTV Ubuntu Installation Guide - Part 2
[23:04] <Jay2k1> scroll down to "remote control"
[23:04] <recsa> reading
[23:05] <Jay2k1> btw, the evtest line didn't work for me
[23:05] <Jay2k1> but do that cat proc/input/...
[23:05] <Jay2k1> look for "ir" and "hauppauge"
[23:06] <Jay2k1> tell me which event it is (event2 or such)
[23:07] <recsa> mmm i think this bad, nothing about hauppauge or ir
[23:08] <Jay2k1> is your remote receiver from the hauppauge card?
[23:08] <recsa> yes
[23:08] <Jay2k1> and it is plugged in there properly?
[23:08] <recsa> yes
[23:09] <Jay2k1> N: Name="cx88 IR (Hauppauge Nova-T DVB-T" <- thats my line
[23:09] <Jay2k1> try this
[23:09] <Jay2k1> cat /proc/bus/input/devices | grep -i ir
[23:10] <Jay2k1> just to be sure
[23:11] <recsa> nothing related to ir, it shows N: Name="MLK Wireless Desktop"
[23:11] <Jay2k1> that's not it :/
[23:11] <Jay2k1> seems the infrared part of the tv card is not recognised by the kernel
[23:12] <recsa> maybe i broke something on tests?
[23:12] <Jay2k1> i can hardly imagine there's a way to break that
[23:12] <Jay2k1> that's like looking into device manager in windows
[23:12] <recsa> mmm i just played with lircd.conf and hardware.conf, dont thing that can break too much
[23:13] <Jay2k1> no
[23:13] <Jay2k1> it could break a working config
[23:13] <Jay2k1> but not the device being detected
[23:13] <Jay2k1> that's where things start
[23:13] <recsa> is there a way to force a devices scan?
[23:13] <Jay2k1> hang on, gonna test something else
[23:14] <Jay2k1> try this
[23:14] <Jay2k1> dmesg | grep input
[23:14] <recsa> nothing
[23:15] <Jay2k1> nothing related to ir you mean
[23:15] <recsa> nothing at all
[23:15] <recsa> related or not
[23:15] <Jay2k1> um
[23:15] <Jay2k1> reboot, then try that again
[23:16] <recsa> rebooting
[23:16] <recsa> should that dmesg say something?
[23:16] <Jay2k1> yup
[23:16] <Jay2k1> http://pastebin.com/ZwdCuaVZ
[23:16] <Jay2k1> thats my output
[23:18] <recsa> got it now
[23:18] <recsa> lots of inputs
[23:18] <Jay2k1> anything of interest?
[23:19] <recsa> nope nothing IR related
[23:19] <Jay2k1> would you mind pasting the output on a pastebin
[23:19] <recsa> pastebin
[23:19] <Jay2k1> lol
[23:19] <recsa> XD
[23:21] <recsa> http://pastebin.com/tRkPpqMy
[23:22] <Jay2k1> weird
[23:22] <recsa> mmm im pretty sure yesterday i had something related to my hauppauge on input6
[23:23] <Jay2k1> please paste the output of lspci
[23:23] <recsa> gonna check if the card is even working
[23:23] <Jay2k1> (the card is a pci card isn't it)
[23:23] <recsa> yup it is
[23:23] <Jay2k1> then do
[23:23] <recsa> lspci
[23:23] <recsa> wrong keyboard
[23:23] <Jay2k1> heh
[23:24] <recsa> wow, i pastebin it
[23:25] <recsa> pastebin.com/2yTsV0vm
[23:25] <Jay2k1> if you keep the www. in links, they are clickable from within the irc client
[23:26] <recsa> ok
[23:26] <Jay2k1> hmm weird
[23:26] <Jay2k1> it has the philips chip
[23:26] <Jay2k1> so the tv card seems to be recognised
[23:27] <Jay2k1> anyways, i'd open the case and make sure the card is properly inserted
[23:27] <Jay2k1> perhaps pull it out and plug it back in
[23:27] <recsa> ok, got it right here
[23:27] <Jay2k1> it's time for me to go now
[23:27] <Jay2k1> it's late already
[23:28] <recsa> ok, thx a lot for your help
[23:28] <recsa> where are you from?
[23:28] <Jay2k1> you know what commands to use and what to look for
[23:28] <Jay2k1> germany
[23:28] <recsa> spain here
[23:28] <Jay2k1> oh, hola
[23:28] <Jay2k1> so, good luck in finding your ir input
[23:29] <recsa> thx
[23:29] <Jay2k1> once you have it, you can follow the instructions from the website i linked you to
[23:29] <recsa> we will see heh
[23:29] <Jay2k1> buenas noches amigo
[23:29] <Jay2k1> i'll be here tomorrow i think
[23:29] <recsa> gnight


[00:08] <realmatt> is there a good batch ripping program for cds?
[00:08] <rlameiro> did you search for it on the software center
[00:09] <realmatt> i searched on google and came up with a few but I wanted to ask everyone else for their opinion
[00:09] <rlameiro> sound juicer maybe?
[00:09] <realmatt> actually I found cd rippers for linux I don't think any of them were batch rippers
[00:10] <rlameiro> batch in what sense?
[00:10] <realmatt> if I have 5 or 6 cd drives in my computer I should be able to load them up and have them rip all at the same time
[00:10] <realmatt> for ripping my entire cd collection
[00:11] <realmatt> so i don't have to do it 1 at a time
[00:11] <holstein> i was looking into something like that
[00:12] <holstein> auto ripper kind of thing
[00:12]  * holstein checks bookmarks
[00:12] <rlameiro> realmatt: i think taht is a rather unusual task
[00:12] <rlameiro> maybe some one made some script for it
[00:13] <realmatt> I've heard that there was commercial software in windows that will do it but I'd rather not go that route
[00:15] <holstein> the thing i wanted to do was a jukebox type deal on a server
[00:15] <holstein> just throw in a disc
[00:16] <holstein> it gets ripped however
[00:16] <holstein> and put where ever
[00:16] <holstein> and BOOM
[00:16] <realmatt> I've got part of my cd collection ripped and that part is in many different formats
[00:16] <realmatt> I want to do the whole thing in flac
[00:16] <realmatt> like 6 or 8 at a time
[00:17] <holstein> realmatt: i think it was http://www.frozen.ca/ubuntu-tutorials/6-automatic-cd-ripping-with-abcde
[00:17] <holstein> that seemed promising
[00:17] <holstein> realmatt: in theory, you should be able to config it to do as many as you got CD rom drives
[00:18] <holstein> i was going to be OK just throwing one in ever now and then
[00:18] <holstein> and coming back later and switching it out
[00:18] <holstein> but i wanted the backend to be automated
[00:18] <holstein> just put it in
[00:18] <holstein> come back later and its hanging out of the drive ready for another
[00:20] <holstein> and i dont want to run X on the box
[00:20] <holstein> im still working out a hardware scenario though
[00:20] <holstein> something that has a good spouse approval rating :)
[00:21] <holstein> i was thinking id be fine running mp3blaster in screen
[00:21] <holstein> having the audio playing server-side
[00:21] <holstein> and i can ssh in from whatever box on the network
[00:23] <realmatt> interesting
[00:23] <realmatt> so I'm guessing it gets the cd info from cddb?
[00:23] <holstein> i was running a http://sockso.pu-gh.com/
[00:23] <holstein> server
[00:23] <holstein> my girlfriend liked that OK
[00:24] <holstein> and used it
[00:24] <holstein> but the playback was client-side
[00:24] <holstein> realmatt: im assuming you can edit the config file
[00:24] <holstein> and tell it where to get the data
[00:24] <realmatt> probably so
[00:26] <realmatt> I'm gonna give it a shot
[00:26] <holstein> COOL
[00:26] <holstein> let me know
[00:26] <realmatt> word
[00:26] <holstein> :)
[03:13] <jdrums> Having trouble keeping JACK connected to my FP10. Getting error: firewire ERR: wait status < 0! (= -1) DRIVER NT: could not run driver cycle after a few seconds.
[03:13] <jdrums> Can someone help me troubleshoot?
[04:49] <dax2112rush> Do you guys know if fst adds latency like dssi-vst?
[04:52] <holstein> hey dax2112rush
[04:52] <holstein> im going to refer you to #opensourcemusicians
[04:52] <holstein> when im using JACK
[04:52] <holstein> i tend to just get the latency im expecting
[04:52] <holstein> regardless
[04:52] <holstein> but i dont to a lot of MIDI
[04:52] <dax2112rush> holstein: thx, didn't really know where to go
[04:52]  * holstein assumes you talking about an instrument
[04:53] <dax2112rush> holstein: nope
[04:53] <holstein> audio plugin?
[04:53] <dax2112rush> holstein: I want to run guitar VSTs
[04:53] <dax2112rush> holstein: yep
[04:53] <holstein> what vst's?
[04:53] <holstein> are you using JACK ?
[04:54] <holstein> have you tried rakarrack and guitarix ?
[04:54] <dax2112rush> holstein: mostly Revalver MKIII
[04:54] <dax2112rush> holstein: yes with jack
[04:54] <holstein> you got some kinda wine thing going on with it?
[04:55] <dax2112rush> holstein: no, I might try them, but high gain sounds seems to be hard to do well, most commercial suites are not really good IMO
[04:55] <holstein> rakarrack is awesome :)
[04:56] <holstein> crazy fast too
[04:56] <dax2112rush> holstein: yes, I'm using vsthost in wine right now, but I'd like to try running them under some linux host
[04:56] <dax2112rush> holstein: i'll have a look, are there any sound clips anywhere?
[04:57] <holstein> hmmm
[04:57] <dax2112rush> holstein: found some
[04:58] <holstein> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9bIElOUOX4
[04:58] <holstein> yeah
[04:58] <holstein> :)
[04:59] <LK> hello
[04:59]  * holstein did this http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/osmp30.ogg
[04:59] <holstein> in rakarrack ;)
[04:59] <holstein> hey LK :)
[05:00] <LK> I'm having a problem with exporting files in LMMS... I'm using Windows, but #LMMS suggested I try asking here for help, anyway
[05:00] <dax2112rush> holstein: seems quite ok, not sure amp sim is on par with Revalver MKIII, but I should give it a try
[05:01] <dax2112rush> holstein: thanks
[05:03] <LK> I made a clip that's four bars long at 140 bpm, and when I export it, I get an 8 second file, but the four bars only take up the first six seconds, with two seconds of silence at the end
[05:04] <holstein> dax2112rush: those guys are super cool too
[05:04] <holstein> transmorgramofix over in #rakarrack
[05:04] <holstein> i sure they are open to suggestions :)
[05:05] <LK> does anyone know what's going on, here? how I might go about fixing it?
[05:05] <holstein> LK: what program?
[05:05] <LK> LMMS
[05:05] <holstein> AH
[05:05] <dax2112rush> holstrein: I hope one day I'll be able to spare some time and contribute to some of those projects, I have a few ideas I'd like to try to make amp sims...
[05:06] <holstein> dax2112rush: dude
[05:06] <holstein> try and meet that guy ^^
[05:06] <holstein> transmogramofx
[05:06] <holstein> really good people
[05:06]  * holstein is a rakarrack fanboy :)
[05:07] <LK> ah?
[05:07]  * holstein is not super familiar with LMMS LK
[05:07] <dax2112rush> holstein: I should, I'll try rakarrak soon
[05:07] <LK> oh, ok
[05:07] <holstein> from what i know runs both MIDI and audio
[05:07] <holstein> is this mostly MIDI?
[05:08] <holstein> what is generating your sounds?
[05:08] <holstein> LMMS?
[05:08] <LK> it's audio
[05:08] <holstein> LK: is the exported track playing at the wrong speed?
[05:09] <holstein> or is it just the extra 2 seconds your dealing with?
[05:10] <holstein> LK: hey, there is a #lmms channel :)
[05:10]  * holstein just checked
[05:10] <holstein> lots of folk got soured on it i think
[05:11] <holstein> because it wasnt really working well with JACK for a long time
[05:11] <LK> yeah, they're the ones that directed me here
[05:11] <holstein> lol
[05:11] <holstein> well, whats the issue?
[05:11] <holstein> is the track too short?
[05:11] <holstein> playing at a higher pitch?
[05:11] <holstein> LK: what are you exporting to?
[05:12] <holstein> i would try exporting to .wav
[05:12] <LK> I've tried both WAV and OGG
[05:12] <holstein> same results eh?
[05:12] <holstein> interesting
[05:12] <holstein> LK: has it ever worked?
[05:13] <LK> all four bars are there, they just end at the 6 second mark, and leave 2 seconds of silence
[05:13] <holstein> or is this your first expot?
[05:13] <holstein> LK: OH
[05:13] <holstein> well thats probably normal
[05:13] <holstein> you can open it up in audacity or soemthing
[05:13] <holstein> and shave it down
[05:13] <holstein> i bet theres an export setting somewhere in there
[05:13] <holstein> lead out
[05:13] <holstein> or silence
[05:14] <holstein> something like that
[05:14] <holstein> ALSO, in ardour
[05:14] <holstein> it matters where the markers are
[05:14] <holstein> you set the markers for the beginning and end
[05:14] <holstein> and ardour processes whatever is in between
[05:14] <holstein> maybe the 'end' is 2 seconds out
[05:15] <holstein> further over that you want it to be
[05:15] <holstein> LK: are you creating a loop?
[05:15] <LK> yeah
[05:16] <holstein> yeah, id probably just shave it down in audacity
[05:16] <holstein> you can loop the playback
[05:16] <holstein> and check that the edges are cool
[05:16] <holstein> where you want them to be
[05:16] <LK> weird... this time it gave 3 seconds of silence...
[05:16] <holstein> yeah, thats probably just the way it works
[05:17] <holstein> its not really expecting you to make a loop :)
[05:17] <LK> have you ever used Acid Pro?
[05:17] <holstein> nah
[05:17] <holstein> ive seen it in action though
[05:17] <LK> that's what I want to put it into
[05:18] <holstein> how many tracks did you record?
[05:18] <LK> loops?
[05:18] <holstein> in LMMS
[05:18] <holstein> how many tracks?
[05:18] <LK> just the one so far
[05:18] <holstein> AH
[05:19] <holstein> yeah, im not a big fan of audacity
[05:19] <holstein> but you can record right into it
[05:19] <holstein> LMMS might be a bit over-functional in the wrong direction for what your doing
[05:20] <holstein> you *can* multi-track in audactiy too
[05:20] <LK> I've heard Audacity is like Acid, but for the very short time that I saw Audacity, I didn't see any similarity
[05:20] <holstein> but its not ideal
[05:20] <holstein> totally do-able though
[05:20] <holstein> LK: nah
[05:20] <holstein> its not at all
[05:20] <holstein> its more like soundforge i think
[05:20] <holstein> or when i saw soundforge
[05:21] <holstein> version 4.something maybe?
[05:21] <LK> I personally haven't seen anything like Acid
[05:21] <holstein> i guess if i wanted to do that
[05:21] <holstein> i would just use some MIDI program
[05:22] <holstein> rosegarden or qtractor
[05:22] <holstein> and ardour
[05:22] <holstein> you cant just willy nilly drop loops in though
[05:22] <holstein> i thought LMMS was like that though
[05:22] <xcfdjse7en> dont wana sound obvious here but srsly if you're on a Windows box .. why dont you use something like FL or something ?
[05:22] <xcfdjse7en> @ LK
[05:23] <holstein> xcfdjse7en: is that fruity loops?
[05:23] <holstein> is that like acid?
[05:23] <LK> you mean instead of LMMS?
[05:23] <xcfdjse7en> yup
[05:23] <holstein> which one is the one where you can just drop loops in?
[05:23] <LK> that's Acid
[05:23] <holstein> and they kinda just take up whatever space they need
[05:23] <holstein> regardless of sound quality ;)
[05:24] <holstein> although, i thought it did a pretty good job of it
[05:24] <xcfdjse7en> yea
[05:24] <xcfdjse7en> I've been working with it since the 3rd vertion
[05:24] <xcfdjse7en> probably the only reason why I'm still using Windows
[05:25] <holstein> isnt LMMS *supposed* to do that?
[05:25] <holstein> i really just havnet needed to find something with that functionality
[05:25] <holstein> we should have something though
[05:25] <holstein> *should*
[05:28] <LK> I'm using LMMS instead of FL because I prefer OSS whenever I can
[05:29] <LK> like I said, Acid is the only program I've ever seen with looping functionality like it has
[05:29] <holstein> wonder if its a legal thing
[05:29] <LK> no clue
[05:29] <holstein> its not like it cant be done in linux
[05:30] <LK> if there's a Linux program that does it, it's not cross-platform...
[05:31] <holstein> #opensourcmusicians
[05:31] <holstein> ^^ cool place to hang, and ask wtf is up
[05:31] <holstein> #opensourcemusicians **
[05:33] <LK> think they might have a solution?
[05:34] <holstein> hmmm
[05:34] <holstein> maybe
[05:34] <holstein> smart guys over there
[05:34] <holstein> [lsd] is a MIDI guy
[05:35] <holstein> not really sure, its just a cool community
[05:35] <holstein> podshow and all that
[05:58] <dax2112rush> dssi-vst has a dependency on wine1.0. I've got wine1.3 installed that conflicts with wine1.0, is there something I can do to force it to install anyways?
[05:59] <holstein> hmmm
[05:59] <holstein> dax2112rush: im not sure about that
[05:59] <holstein> BUT it might be worth asking falktx
[05:59] <holstein> over in #kxstudio
[05:59] <holstein> he's not in right now
[06:00] <holstein> i konw he has worked on a lot of custom packages
[06:00] <holstein> and there is a PPA
[06:01] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid
[06:01] <dax2112rush> holstein: you really know who to ask for stuff :) next time I have any question, I'll come over here to help me find an expert :P
[06:01] <holstein> hehe
[06:01] <dax2112rush> holstein: I'll check tommorow if he's there
[06:02] <holstein> cool :)
[06:03] <dax2112rush> holstein: he's got a dssi-vst package, I wonder if it has that same dep problem...
[06:03] <holstein> dax2112rush: i dont think so
[06:04] <holstein> it should be compatible
[06:04] <holstein> dax2112rush: there are a lot of updates in that PPA
[06:04] <holstein> and i recently added it
[06:04] <holstein> and use it
[06:04] <holstein> in lucid
[06:04] <holstein> but dont just go willy nilly installing any of the kx-specific packages
[06:04] <holstein> you can break things
[06:05] <holstein> falk likes the KDE
[06:05] <holstein> dax2112rush: i use PPA purge in ubuntutweak too
[06:05] <holstein> if things go bad
[06:05] <holstein> but, you get JACK2 in there
[06:05] <holstein> and newer versions of ardour
[06:05] <holstein> and i think he said patched RT kernels
[06:06] <holstein> for the proprietary graphics drivers
[06:06] <holstein> smart guy
[06:06] <dax2112rush> holstein: yes lots of nice stuff
[06:07] <dax2112rush> holstein: I don't know what KXStudio is. Ubuntu Studio with KDE?
[06:08] <holstein> dax2112rush: not really
[06:08] <holstein> i mean, yeah
[06:08] <holstein> but he's working on other stuff too
[06:08] <holstein> the pulse-jack bridge
[06:08] <dax2112rush> ie pulse's  module-jack-sink and module-jack-src or some other bridge?
[06:09] <holstein> i dont use it
[06:09] <holstein> so im not sure about the particulars
[06:09] <holstein> bacially
[06:09] <holstein> with KX
[06:09] <holstein> JACK is running all the time
[06:09] <holstein> starts when you login
[06:09] <holstein> neat idea
[06:09] <dax2112rush> i'll have a look
[06:10] <holstein> i just use the newer packages :)
[06:10] <holstein> some of them have JACK support added
[06:10] <holstein> mumble is one that i wanted to use
[06:10] <holstein> with JACK
[06:10] <holstein> and i wanted to check out JACK2
[06:11] <dax2112rush> what are the changes in jack2?
[06:12] <holstein> i cant say ive noticed anything yet
[06:12] <holstein> i mean, it still works ;)
[06:12] <holstein> i just did it on my production box though last week
[06:12] <holstein> and havent really messed with it
[06:13] <dax2112rush> changes are under the hood I guess
[06:14] <dax2112rush> I can't see his dssi-vst package in synaptic... don't know what I'm doing wrong
[06:15] <holstein> dax2112rush: did you update?
[06:15] <holstein> refresh or whatever
[06:15] <holstein> reload
[06:15] <holstein> i think thats the button in synaptic
[06:16] <dax2112rush> holstein: i found it... seems like he has a ppa:falk-t-j and a ppa:falk-t-j/lucid ppa
[06:16] <dax2112rush> i had the first one only
[06:17] <dax2112rush> his dssi-vst installs fine :)
[06:18] <holstein> dax2112rush: :)
[06:49] <dax2112rush> holstein: ddsi-vst works with my plugin, fst does not tho
[06:50] <holstein> :/
[06:50] <dax2112rush> holstein: thanks a lot for your help
[06:50] <holstein> well, now you know
[06:50] <dax2112rush> i need some rest now! bye
[06:50] <holstein> dax2112rush: anytime :)
[06:50] <holstein> gn
[08:14] <Jim-_-> 869
[08:16] <astraljava> You were sayin'?
[08:16] <Jim-_-> testing
[08:16] <Jim-_-> :)
[08:16] <astraljava> Gotcha. :)
[15:48] <prep> Having issues with printer, found driver that's near, but quality is less than desired. Found some info in the Ubuntu board, need help installing.
[16:24] <astraljava> prep: Where are you stuck? What info did you find?
[16:25] <prep> found drivers on Canon Europe site, downloaded .tar, not sure how to install
[16:27] <prep> this post gives instructions :http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1163533
[16:31] <astraljava> So you got a .tar file now, open resource manager, and double-click on it. You should be presented an archive manager, I suppose. Or are you terminal-capable?
[16:34] <prep> still learning my way around the terminal
[16:36] <prep> unpacked one, I have .deb file
[16:36] <astraljava> If you double-click on it, can you choose gdebi there?
[16:37] <prep> Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: cnijfilter-common (>= 3.00)
[16:39] <astraljava> The instructions say it works only on karmic (9.10), which version are you running?
[16:40] <prep> Maverick.
[16:40] <astraljava> Wait, you only have *one* .deb file when you untar the package?
[16:40] <astraljava> Ooh.
[16:41] <prep> No there's a few, one for printer, and scanner
[16:41] <astraljava> So is there one with that name, that's not satisfiable?
[16:41] <prep> The Ubuntu repo pulls a MP 180, mine is a 190. Only gives me 600x600DPI printing, when it's capable of 4800x1200
[16:42] <prep> yes E cnijfilter-common  is not
[16:42] <astraljava> I mean is one of the .debs from that .tar named as such?
[16:43] <astraljava> If yes, then install that first.
[16:46] <prep> ok gave me the error after running for a minute of : Failed to complete install all dependencies" To fix this run sudo apt-get install-f" in Terminal window. I did, got another error
[16:47] <astraljava> What's the other error?
[16:49] <prep> E: Invalid operation install-f
[16:50] <astraljava> Oh, I assumed that was a typo. There's a space between install and -f.
[16:51] <prep> ok, running now
[16:52] <prep> what next
[16:54] <astraljava> Have you installed all the packages that came in that .tar?
[16:56] <prep> second one, the one i tried to install first gave same error, brought up Software Manager, but this time gave me option to install. The gave error: There seems to be a programming error in aptdaemon, the software that allows you to install/remove software and to perform other package management related tasks. Please report this error at http://launchpad.net/aptdaemon/+filebug and retry
[16:57] <astraljava> Doesn't look like Maverick is all too ready just yet. Might wanna give it a go a month from now.
[16:58] <prep> crap. need my printer for work.
[16:58] <astraljava> Work should not be done on a distro that's still during its devel cycle.
[16:59] <prep> like I said worked with MP180 driver, but only 600x600DPI, and it's always been that way, even on Lucid stable
[16:59] <astraljava> But okay, let's try it in terminal, screw apt-daemon.
[16:59] <prep> ok
[17:00] <astraljava> Open one, cd to the directory where you have the .tar. Do `ls', and can you see the .debs there?
[17:00] <astraljava> If not, do `tar xf *.tar'.
[17:01] <astraljava> If yes, do `sudo dpkg -i *.deb'
[17:01] <prep> .tar is in my downloads folder
[17:01] <astraljava> Okay, might wanna create a sub-folder or move it someplace else where you don't have anything else.
[17:02] <astraljava> If you wanna create a sub-folder, do `mkdir tmp', then `mv <filename> tmp/'
[17:02] <astraljava> Replace <filename> with the name of the .tar file.
[17:03] <astraljava> Then `cd tmp/'
[17:03] <prep> ok created printer folder
[17:03] <astraljava> Then `tar xf *.tar', and `sudo dpkg -i *.deb'.
[17:03] <astraljava> Alright, have you moved the .tar there?
[17:03] <prep> no, do I need to?
[17:04] <astraljava> Yes, by `mv <filename> tmp/', and remember to replace <filename> with the name of the .tar file.
[17:04] <holstein> you cant set the quality on the one from the repo prep ?
[17:04] <prep> Holstein, no 600x600 is the most the 180 driver gives me other than automatic
[17:05] <holstein> prep: did you try forcing another version?
[17:06] <prep> well it changes the name to the correct printer, how do I force another version?
[17:06] <holstein> ive done it a couple ways
[17:06] <holstein> but in the wizard you can
[17:06] <prep> reintalling 180 now
[17:06] <holstein> AH
[17:07] <holstein> astraljava: holla :)
[17:07] <prep> you running him off?
[17:07]  * holstein hopes not :/
[17:08] <prep> ok, when installing, ran "searching for 190" after I seleced 180 driver, then a window came up asking me to choose a driver again
[17:09] <holstein> well
[17:09] <holstein> when i have doen this inthe past
[17:09] <prep> printing test page
[17:09] <holstein> i have trouble shooted using up to 10 or so different drivers
[17:09] <prep> ok working as usual, so how do I force another version?
[17:09] <astraljava> Hey holstein. :)
[17:10] <holstein> i would just do it int he wizard
[17:10] <holstein> i want to add a new printer
[17:10] <holstein> here it is, and this is what it is
[17:10] <holstein> i forget how that looks
[17:11] <prep> the printer wizard?>
[17:11] <holstein> yeah
[17:11] <holstein> the 'add a printer' wizard
[17:11] <prep> ok, there
[17:12] <prep> shows my printer connected
[17:12] <holstein> yup
[17:12] <holstein> you can get rid of that one
[17:12] <holstein> since it aint 'giving up the funk'
[17:12] <holstein> and click on 'add'
[17:12] <prep> nah just lets me select devices, I did add, another one
[17:13] <prep> There was an error during the CUPS operation: 'client-error-not-found    when trying to delete
[17:14] <holstein> might have to go to http://localhost:631/
[17:14] <prep> got it deleted
[17:15] <prep> ok add printer
[17:15] <holstein> yeah, and just tell it its a different printer
[17:15] <holstein> there is also a place to use a different driver
[17:15]  * holstein phone
[17:18] <prep> selected MP 220, still only giving 600 dpi
[17:20] <prep> under the 180 and 220 driver, print quality is off compared to recent
[17:24] <holstein> prep: thats how you do it
[17:25] <prep> well weird thing is with my 180, least I was getting decent images, now total crap
[17:25] <prep> now 180 is crap
[17:25] <holstein> thats OK
[17:26] <holstein> you dont want to use that one anyway right??
[17:26] <holstein> lets look to the future, when your printing at whatever resolution you want :)
[17:26] <prep> So how far from the original driver should I go? I went to the 220
[17:28] <holstein> heres a good read http://forums.linux-foundation.org/read.php?25,9258,11952
[17:28] <holstein> prep: i have literally tried 10+ different ones
[17:29] <holstein> at times
[17:33] <prep> Looking
[17:34] <prep> went to a 360, still stuck at 600, gee's
[17:38] <holstein> prep: did you have the printer uninstalled before trying that .deb?
[17:38] <prep> yes
[17:38] <holstein> hmmm
[17:39] <holstein> prep: lets go back to that
[17:40] <holstein> because there really shouldnt much different about karmic and lucid
[17:40] <holstein> OH
[17:40] <holstein> prep: your running maverick :/
[17:40] <holstein> yeah, you might just have to wait like astraljava suggested
[17:40] <holstein> til it goes final
[17:40] <holstein> and go from there
[17:41] <holstein> prep: you can contact cannon and ask for a .ppd
[17:41] <prep> cannon who?
[17:42] <holstein> D'oh
[17:42] <holstein> i mean canon
[17:43]  * holstein is downloading the debian tar from canon
[17:43] <prep> Are some printer brands supported better than others?
[17:43] <holstein> but i still cant test in maverick :/
[17:43] <holstein> prep: some comanies in general are more friendly
[17:44] <holstein> but i think this is an issue of keeping up with changes
[17:44] <holstein> canon has a driver
[17:44] <holstein> and i bet it works in debian
[18:16] <astraljava> Still you can try installing in terminal if apt-daemon fails...
[18:47] <holstein> astraljava: dude split :/
[18:47] <holstein> yeah, i think those .debs would work
[18:47] <astraljava> holstein: They often do... ;)
[18:47] <holstein> prep will be back though :)
[18:47] <astraljava> I mean the splitting.
[18:48] <holstein> 'i have a protools mbox and 3 minutes... GO'
[18:48] <holstein> lol
[18:48] <astraljava> HEhehe. :)
[18:48] <holstein> i was the same though
[18:48] <holstein> trying to get my firepod working
[18:48] <holstein> in the beginning
[18:49] <astraljava> Yeah, the thing is, not everybody learns. :)
[18:49] <holstein> hehe
[20:50] <rebirth> what is a good program for doing simple multi track midi arranging?
[20:51] <holstein> i think rosegarden is what most folk do
[20:51] <holstein> qtractor too maybe?
[20:51] <rebirth> what about ardour?
[20:51] <holstein> not yet
[20:51] <holstein> version 3 :)
[20:52] <holstein> coming soon
[20:52] <holstein> usually people use ardour and rosegarden
[20:52] <holstein> or ardour and something else
[20:52] <rebirth> it doesn't do midi yet?
[20:52] <holstein> not yet
[20:52] <holstein> really doesnt need to
[20:53] <holstein> but im glad to see its coming
[20:53] <rebirth> checking out rosegarden
[20:54] <rebirth> not getting any sound from it, i'm using pulse
[20:55] <holstein> yup
[20:55] <holstein> it doesnt make any sounds
[20:56] <holstein> you use whatever sounds you want it to control
[20:56] <holstein> any softsynth that JACK sees
[20:57] <rebirth> *sigh*
[20:57] <holstein> yeah?
[20:57] <rebirth> i don't have any softsynths
[20:57] <holstein> sure you do
[20:58] <holstein> zynaddsubfx
[20:58] <rebirth> and i don't really know how to use jack
[20:58] <holstein> yoshime
[20:58] <holstein> yoshime
[20:58] <holstein> rebirth: AH
[20:58] <holstein> yeah
[20:58] <holstein> JACK is key
[20:58] <holstein> thats when the linux audio goodness starts to really shine :)
[20:59] <rebirth> do you know of a quickstart guide of some kind?
[20:59] <macinnisrr> rebirth: if you want something easy to jump into without knowing jack, try LMMS or Hydrogen (or both).
[21:01] <holstein> rebirth: its really challenging to find a guide for JACK
[21:01] <rebirth> LMMS looks a lot like FL Studio
[21:01] <holstein> since all hardware is different
[21:01] <holstein> rebirth: what hardware are you using?
[21:02] <rebirth> an maudio ozone (usb midi device/audio in out)
[21:02] <holstein> hmmm
[21:02] <holstein> does it work right now?
[21:02] <rebirth> yeah it's working with pulse
[21:02] <holstein> cool
[21:02] <holstein> SO
[21:02] <rebirth> had some trouble originally but got it working
[21:02] <holstein> open a terminal
[21:02] <holstein> type
[21:02] <holstein> sudo adduser rebirth audio
[21:03] <holstein> replace rebirth with whatever your username is on that box
[21:03] <rebirth> i think i did that before
[21:03] <rebirth> it says i'm already a member
[21:03] <holstein> cool
[21:03] <holstein> open jack control
[21:04] <holstein> ALSO
[21:04] <holstein> go here
[21:04] <holstein> http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/
[21:04] <holstein> so i can reference those images with what you looking at
[21:05] <holstein> rebirth: what kernel are you using?
[21:05] <holstein> rebirth: go to a terminal and run
[21:05] <holstein> uname -a
[21:05] <holstein> and gimme that here
[21:05] <rebirth> jack is coming up all grey
[21:05] <holstein> rebirth: you didnt start it did you?
[21:05] <holstein> dont start it
[21:06] <rebirth> no i just launched JACK control
[21:06] <holstein> hmmm
[21:06] <rebirth> nothing is showing up in the windows, just grey
[21:06] <holstein> well, lets move on
[21:06] <holstein> and hopefully that will work its self out
[21:06] <rebirth> Linux ubuntu 2.6.32-24-generic #43-Ubuntu SMP Thu Sep 16 14:17:33 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[21:06] <holstein> OK
[21:06] <holstein> in the main JACK window
[21:07] <holstein> screenshot 1
[21:07] <holstein> on that link
[21:07] <holstein> can you click on 'setup' ?
[21:07] <rebirth> no i can't see any of that
[21:07] <rebirth> it's just a grey window
[21:07] <holstein> acutally
[21:07] <holstein> i got the incorrect link
[21:07] <holstein> http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html
[21:07] <holstein> rebirth: can you close it ?
[21:08] <rebirth> i relaunched it again.. no change :-(
[21:08] <holstein> OK
[21:08] <rebirth> it used to work, it must have gotten corrupted somehow
[21:08] <holstein> open a terminal
[21:08] <holstein> try sudo qjackctl
[21:08] <rebirth> i have to force quit it
[21:08] <holstein> did you tell it to automatically start?
[21:08] <rebirth> that worked
[21:09] <holstein> rebirth: sudo qjackctl worked?
[21:09] <holstein> lets look at the settings then
[21:09] <rebirth> yeah it launched correctly with that command
[21:09] <holstein> click 'setup'
[21:09] <holstein> and lets look around a bit
[21:09] <rebirth> ok
[21:09] <holstein> you should see
[21:09] <holstein> the 2nd screenshot at http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html
[21:09] <holstein> on the left
[21:10] <holstein> uncheck the box for realtime
[21:10] <holstein> and in the middle
[21:10] <holstein> what is frames/period?
[21:10] <rebirth> 1024
[21:10] <holstein> samplerate 44100 ?
[21:10] <rebirth> yup
[21:10] <holstein> periods/buffer?
[21:11] <rebirth> 2
[21:11] <holstein> priority default?
[21:11] <rebirth> yeah
[21:11] <holstein> cool
[21:11] <holstein> on the right
[21:11] <holstein> can you find your device?
[21:11] <holstein> in the screenshot
[21:12] <holstein> it says hw:0
[21:12] <holstein> there's a couple of arrows to click
[21:12] <rebirth> i've got my ozone selected
[21:12] <holstein> to expand
[21:12] <holstein> rebirth: COOL
[21:12] <holstein> hmmm
[21:12] <holstein> bottom right
[21:12] <holstein> latency?
[21:12] <rebirth> default
[21:12] <holstein> 40 something?
[21:12] <rebirth> oh there
[21:12] <rebirth> 46.4
[21:12] <holstein> the ver bottom
[21:12] <holstein> cool
[21:13] <holstein> that should work with your kernel for now
[21:13] <holstein> SO
[21:13] <holstein> save
[21:13] <holstein> WELL
[21:13] <rebirth> save a preset?
[21:13] <holstein> say OK
[21:13] <holstein> but go back there
[21:13] <holstein> and look under
[21:13] <holstein> misc
[21:14] <holstein> and make sure that 'start jack when launched' is *not* selected
[21:14] <rebirth> ok it's not
[21:14] <holstein> cool
[21:14] <holstein> say OK
[21:14] <holstein> and try starting JACK
[21:14] <rebirth> started
[21:15] <holstein> cool
[21:15] <holstein> so thats how it'll look
[21:15] <holstein> when everything is right
[21:15] <rebirth> sweet
[21:15] <rebirth> now how do i get some sound?
[21:15] <holstein> *always* stop JACK before closing
[21:15] <holstein> but lets stop and close it
[21:15] <holstein> and try to get it running as normal user
[21:16] <holstein> you dont want to run JACK sudo normally
[21:16] <rebirth> well i tried launching it not from the terminal and it's grey again
[21:16] <holstein> interesting
[21:16] <holstein> forece close it
[21:16] <rebirth> same thing happens when i run qjackctl
[21:16] <holstein> and open a termainal
[21:16] <holstein> and run
[21:16] <holstein> qjackctl
[21:17] <holstein> and see what the terminal says is going on
[21:17] <rebirth> brb sorry
[21:18] <rebirth> ok back
[21:18] <holstein> yeah, now i gotta do something ;)
[21:18] <holstein> ....
[21:18] <rebirth> it says Suspending PulseAudio
[21:18] <rebirth> ok
[21:22] <holstein> rebirth: you might want to pop over into #jack
[21:23] <holstein> and just say that your able to run qjackctl and start jack as root
[21:23] <holstein> but as normal user it greys out
[21:24] <rebirth> i will later, can we continue using root?
[21:24] <holstein> you have to start everthing else as root
[21:24] <holstein> i wouldnt
[21:24] <holstein> you can really mess things up
[21:25] <holstein> i bet you can start jack from the command line
[21:25] <holstein> and it would be cool
[21:26] <rebirth> ok i'll hop on over to #jack
[21:26] <holstein> rebirth: i would prbably try logging out and back in
[21:26] <holstein> or restarting even
[21:26] <rebirth> ok
[21:26] <holstein> but i dought thats it
[21:26] <rebirth> doing it
[21:26] <holstein> those guys will no
[21:26] <holstein> know*
[21:26] <holstein> the #jack folk :)
[21:31] <rebirth> holstein: restart fixed it
[21:31] <holstein> rebirth: w00t
[21:31] <holstein> who knows
[21:32] <holstein> if i was more savy i would know what to restart without restarting the machine :/
[21:32] <holstein> but whatever
[21:32] <holstein> its working
[21:32] <holstein> thats awesome
[21:32] <rebirth> yeah
[21:32] <holstein> SO
[21:32] <holstein> in the 'setup' area
[21:32] <holstein> the settings frames/period
[21:33] <holstein> and periods/buffer
[21:33] <holstein> those are the ones we tweak to get lower latency
[21:33] <holstein> you might be able to get close to 20ms latency
[21:33] <holstein> but i wouldnt worry about that til you find a need to
[21:34] <holstein> now you can see and experiment with JACK
[21:34] <holstein> and routing software through it
[21:34] <rebirth> yeah i'm just going to be entering notes via the piano roll for now
[21:34] <holstein> you see the button 'connect'
[21:34] <holstein> thats where you do the routing
[21:34] <rebirth> ok
[21:35] <holstein> you'll see your sound cards in and outs
[21:35] <holstein> and if you start rosegarden
[21:35] <holstein> you'll see the audio ins and outs
[21:35] <holstein> and MIDI ins and outs
[21:35] <rebirth> shall i start rosegarden/
[21:35] <holstein> just click on the + signs
[21:35] <holstein> to expand the entries
[21:35] <holstein> rebirth: sure
[21:35] <holstein> im really not going to be much help in there though
[21:35] <holstein> i dont do much MIDI
[21:35] <holstein> BUT
[21:36] <holstein> you can try #opensourcemusicians
[21:36] <holstein> and i would suggest that
[21:36] <holstein> because some people have other alternatives to rosegarden
[21:36] <holstein> rebirth: but your on the right track
[21:37] <holstein> if you open rose garden
[21:37] <holstein> and any softsynth
[21:37] <holstein> you'll see how to connect them
[21:37] <rebirth> ok i'll play around and see what i can do
[21:37] <holstein> and i think you can make connections in rosegarden too
[21:38] <holstein> http://wootangent.net/category/music/tutorials/
[21:38] <holstein> these are some tutorials by [lsd[ from #opensourcemusicians
[21:38] <holstein> he's my MIDI go-to guy :)
[21:38] <rebirth> i'm getting sound!
[21:38] <holstein> w00t :)
[21:39] <rebirth> it's outputting through my laptop speakers tho, not my nice audio interface
[21:39] <holstein> hmmm
[21:39] <holstein> well, you should double check in 'setup'
[21:39] <holstein> in JACK
[21:39] <holstein> and make sure you have the ozone selected
[21:40] <holstein> rebirth: but i would just mess around in there
[21:40] <holstein> your not trying to get a clean signal into the computer right now
[21:40] <holstein> and the MIDI will be exported
[21:40] <holstein> SO the internal card will do fine for this
[21:40] <holstein> right now
[21:41]  * holstein gotta go eat
[21:41] <holstein> rebirth: i think you got a good start on it though :)
[21:41] <holstein> BBL..
[21:42] <rebirth> thank you
[21:42] <holstein> anytime
[22:39] <cannonfodder> anyone here use lmms?


[12:19] <daker> evilvish, woo http://art.ubuntu-owl.org/ is down :D
[12:20] <daker> evilvish, doctormo i think it's because of the omgubuntu post ツ
[12:24] <evilvish> daker: fix it! ;p
[12:25] <evilvish> evilvish: if doctormo aint around try poking pleia2
[12:25] <evilvish> err!
[12:25] <evilvish> daker: ^
[12:25] <daker> ok i think it's ok now
[12:28] <evilvish> daker: nope, still gives me out of memory error here..
[12:28] <evilvish> anyway.. not a huge issue people are not going to be submitting right *now*m ;p
[12:28] <evilvish> now*
[12:28] <evilvish> most of the crowd would just be clicking to check the site
[12:29]  * evilvish bbiab..
[14:39] <jkprg> Hi. I'm looking for someone who can create gtk theme for me based on my graphic design. Thx
[14:40] <zniavre> jkprg, do you hav a mockup or something ?
[14:42] <jkprg> zniavre: not yet. I won't be difficult. rounded buttons with gradient, similar scrollbars etc.
[14:42] <jkprg> zniavre: letterpress effect for text on widgets
[14:42] <jkprg> zniavre: are you also UI designer?
[14:43] <zniavre> i do not know what i am in fact but i know how to do a gtk theme  (without pixmap )
[14:44] <zniavre> :o)
[14:44] <zniavre> easier for me to see a mockup,  english is a barrier for me
[14:46] <jkprg> I'm not sure if it can be without pixmap. What about iPad like theme? What's your mother tongue?
[14:47] <zniavre> im french
[14:47] <zniavre> i never saw an Ipad   :o(
[14:48] <jkprg> ah french. my wife is a teacher in french school in prague :-)
[14:48] <zniavre> :o)
[14:48] <jkprg> you never saw ipad ? :-) http://www.apple.com/ipad/
[14:49] <zniavre> i know it exists  of course but that's all
[14:51] <zniavre> you can search about 'mac4lin' i think it's close to the osx look
[14:59] <jkprg> zniavre: http://tinypic.com/r/2afyhdd/7
[16:04] <zniavre>  jkprg  sorry for lag > this theme seems do-able , you should find someone who knows pixmap engine better than me
[16:08] <jkprg> zniavre, ok thx
[17:32] <charlie-tca> thorwil: ochosi was trying to get back to you about the artwork for Xubuntu. Did he get in touch with you?
[17:33] <thorwil> charlie-tca: nope
[17:34] <charlie-tca> hmm, now what do I do to get you two talking?
[17:35] <thorwil> charlie-tca: i don't even know what the matter is. my email address is no secret :)
[17:35] <charlie-tca>  Okay if I send him over here?
[17:35] <charlie-tca> I don't know either.
[17:36] <charlie-tca> But he has a pretty good gtk theme for Natty, and thinks you are right about the colors for wallpaper.
[17:36] <thorwil> sure
[17:36]  * charlie-tca is like a bouncing ball sometimes
[17:45]  * thorwil -> dinner
[19:49] <zniavre> good evening ubuntuartists
[19:50] <thorwil> hola
[19:50] <zniavre> what do you think of the "wingpanel" fashion
[19:50] <kwwii> n'abend
[19:53] <thorwil> zniavre: i have a bit much in my one panel, but it sure is an interesting idea, combined with the left-side wm buttons
[19:54] <thorwil> though seeing it on screenshots, combined with huge docks makes it kinda silly
[19:56] <coz_> I dont think I have seen this... is there a link?
[19:57] <zniavre> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/01/install-wingpanel-from-ubuntu-ppa.html
[19:58] <coz_> zniavre,  that thingy in the upper right corner of the screen?
[19:58] <zniavre> yes
[19:59] <coz_> mm
[20:00] <coz_>  watching the video ..it seems like all of that can be contained in the dock...yes?  I know it does on cairo dock
[20:05] <coz_> is this from the Elementary project?
[20:06] <coz_> ah yes it is    duh  I should have read from that link  :)
[20:45] <evilvish> could someone /topic the channel and mention what time it says for topic set "at" time? ?
[20:46] <evilvish> i can see the time set as my local time, but was wondering if the time others saw was adjusted according to their local time
[20:48] <coz_> * Topic for #ubuntu-artwork set by vish!~vish@ubuntu/member/vish at Thu Jan 13 12:14:21 2011
[20:49] <coz_> that's not my local time
[20:49] <coz_> be back later
[20:49] <evilvish> hmm, thats not my time either.. o.0
[20:49] <coz_> :)
[20:50] <evilvish> mine says > 22:44:21 2011
[20:50] <coz_> that's confusing
[20:50] <coz_>  mine would be  15:50:  etc
[20:51] <coz_> anyway I have to break here :)
[20:58] <evilvish> kwwii: lol! i had to google "n'abend" .. i thought you were commenting words wisdom or something about wingpanel.. ;)
[20:58] <evilvish> words of*
[21:05]  * darkmatter lols @ wingpanel
[21:05] <evilvish> darkmatter: mark would have been so happy when it saw it! ;p
[21:06] <darkmatter> ;P
[21:06] <evilvish> someone made windicators come true! ;p
[21:07] <evilvish> err.. when he* saw it
[21:07] <evilvish> ah right.. more typos than usual.. indicates.. time to hit the sack! ;)
[21:08] <darkmatter> hehe
[22:03] <kwwii> evilvish: hehe, german slang
[22:03] <kwwii> sorry
[22:03] <kwwii> just to good evening :-)


[01:23] <k1lled> hello guys, i have a problem with ubuntu 13.04 alpha. I download and make a boot USB flash with 13.04
[01:23] <k1lled> and
[01:24] <k1lled> when show the menu to choose i click "live cd" to try but show a error
[01:24] <k1lled> for missing file, i dont remember a name
[01:24] <k1lled> at this file
[01:24] <k1lled> i try to "install on hard disk"
[01:24] <k1lled> but again - miss file..
[01:25] <k1lled> my laptop is with amd64 and i donwload this: raring-desktop-amd64
[01:27] <wilee-nilee> k1lled, That is really confusing, at least for me can you be a bit clearer
[01:28] <k1lled> wilee-nilee my english is bad... sry about that
[01:29] <k1lled> mmmm, well i try to start live CD 13.04 ubuntu
[01:29] <wilee-nilee> k1lled, NO problem I'm a bit slow as well. ;)
[01:29] <k1lled> well, what is not clear?
[01:39] <Guest88134> I am having some serious issues with the config files for Unity....  I use the LTS and Raring on the same machine using the same /home folder.... LTS works fine (though it boots much slower now) and Raring has not Unity panels, or gtk-window decorations.... anyone have any ideas of how to work around it?
[01:41] <Guest88134> I have removed the config files in ~/.config  and gotten it working... however it is only temporary.  I have a second user for testing purposes that works just fine.
[01:41] <Guest88134> currently I am using LXDE as my DE since Unity is messed up
[01:51] <Guest88134> I have no panels at all.  No window decorations.  Is there someway to fix this?
[01:51] <Guest88134> I have to open a terminal (Ctrl+Alt+T) and use gnome-session-quit to logout.
[02:02] <bcbc2> Guest88134: I wouldn't share home. Using an LTS and a development release with the same /home seems contradictory in nature. One is stable, the other unstable. Anyway, try this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/17610/how-do-i-reset-my-unity-configuration
[02:04] <Guest88134> bcbc2: sort of contradictory.... but if April is right around the corner this will need a solution.  LTS to get work done normally and developmental to test things.  LTS shouldn't break the developmental release.... it seems
[02:05] <bcbc2> Guest88134: I wouldn't share a home between different releases either. I wouldn't assume that the config would match between releases.
[02:07] <Atlantic777> I keep getting warning for many packages that they can't be verified/authenticated. What's happening with that?
[02:08] <Guest88134> Atlantic777: I did too... I fixed it by changing from united states server to Main
[02:08] <Guest88134> bcbc2: Thanks for your help
[02:08] <bcbc2> Guest88134: np
[02:09] <bcbc2> Atlantic777: is it on a ppa or the normal package repos?
[02:12] <Atlantic777> bcbc2: normal packages
[02:13] <Atlantic777> And I wonder, what happens when 13.04 is released, I mean, in the early dev phase of 13.10.
[02:16] <bcbc2> Atlantic777: try this http://askubuntu.com/q/99936/14916
[02:17] <Atlantic777> bcbc2: it's not that error, I solved that.
[02:18] <Atlantic777> https://paste.lugons.org/show/GdVh0H8ge5vHvegbWqT7/
[02:21] <bcbc2> Atlantic777: have you gone through this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PackageManagerTroubleshootingProcedure
[02:24] <Atlantic777> bcbc2: no I have not.
[02:27] <Atlantic777> ok, that helped
[02:27] <Atlantic777> thanks bcbc2
[02:28] <bcbc2> Atlantic777: np :)
[02:28] <Atlantic777> I mean, switching to the main servers helped.
[02:28] <bcbc2> that seems odd
[02:29] <Atlantic777> btw, I was using us servers
[02:29] <bcbc2> I think that's what Guest88134 suggested
[02:29] <Atlantic777> yeah, and it's the first thing in the troubleshooting guide
[02:30] <Atlantic777> btw, I would like to bum this bug, but not sure how https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wicd/+bug/1132529
[02:30] <Atlantic777> i tested on 2 machines, the same problem, the same fix
[02:30] <Atlantic777> and with different images, one from 24. feb and another 20. march
[02:31] <MoPac> I'm hoping for some ideas on how I might diagnose what I think is a problem with Desktop Wall in Compiz.  With edge flipping functions enabled, the edge will flip only once after a login, and then never again.  It can be a pointer flip or a DnD or move, but after that one flip, it's as if the option isn't turned on
[02:32] <MoPac> (the flipping options are still checked in CCSM - there is no visible sign that the setting has actually reverted.  The edges just no longer work)
[02:45] <bcbc2> Anyone got mir to work? I can get the egl_mirtriangle to run, but computer boots to a black screen if I add 'type=mir' to lightdm.conf
[08:46] <vince__> hello
[08:52] <vince__> can anyone help me get 13.04 to show up in the boot menu along side 12.04.2 & 12.10?
[10:13] <Dreaman> http://picbg.net/img.php?file=c03dafd1d51f1a22.png  my ubuntu 13.04
[10:20] <alankila> This is mine: https://bel.fi/alankila/newfontrendering.png
[10:21] <Dreaman> :)
[10:21] <alankila> My experimentation with OS X -like but not as blurry font rendering technique is drawing to a close. I believe this is nearly production ready in sense that there are only minor tweaks to the algorithms required anymore.
[10:22] <Dreaman> my is win8 and ubuntu 13.04 boot :)
[10:23] <alankila> I have taken this alpha correction technique pretty much as far as it can go
[10:29] <Dreaman> http://picbg.net/img.php?file=32e6d98476f15f22.png
[11:24] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:46] <Ziggy> hello been trying to install 13.04 on my ssd disk and i cant get it to boot.... asus uefi bios can anyone pls help me out here i have 2 drivers sda this is user only as storage and sdb this is my ssd disk that i want to have ubuntu on
[13:48] <BluesKaj> !efi
[13:52] <Ziggy> iv tryed most of the stuff nothing works and if i run the boot-repair it just hangs on Reinstalling grub .....
[13:52] <Ziggy> anyone have any idea
[13:55] <Ziggy> brb reboot
[14:20] <ziggy> here is a logg from boot-repair >> paste.ubuntu.com/5637000
[14:21] <ziggy> i realy need help to get my installation to boot or some way to make a fresh install that works.... but i need to install os on sdb not sda
[14:24] <ziggy> iv tryed to install with the option to use the hole disk and i tryed making partitions myself nothing works.... now im booted in live on my usb stick
[14:27] <bjsnider> ziggy, i'd certainly look over all of the steps outlined on the wiki page. i also don't see why you have to have your storage disk be sda. can you not just switch the sata cables around, if that's the issue?
[14:28] <ziggy> i cant switch them.... warrantu issues if i do....
[14:28] <bjsnider> oh, gimme a break
[14:29] <ziggy> so you meen if i open it upp and switch them my warranty is still okej _
[14:29] <ziggy> ?
[14:29] <bjsnider> i've never heard of a warranty that included the positioning of the sata cables
[14:29] <iKillCypher> Hello guys is there a way I can get a pre-version of 13.04 ?
[14:29] <iKillCypher> and update it official when it is out
[14:29] <iKillCypher> using updater
[14:29] <bjsnider> i've worked for dell and hp and we never told people they couldn't open the systems up and change things
[14:30] <bjsnider> what the warranty said was, if you break it, it's your fault
[14:30] <ziggy> im no warranty expert thats why im asking
[14:30] <ziggy> okej then
[14:30] <bjsnider> the warranty said if it leaves the factory in a defective state, it gets replaced, not that you can't mess with it
[14:30] <iKillCypher> anyone ?
[14:30] <iKillCypher> o.o ?!
[14:31] <IdleOne> !patience
[14:31] <bjsnider> !daily
[14:31] <iKillCypher> so I need to install it everyday ?
[14:31] <iKillCypher> to get the latest update
[14:31] <bjsnider> of course not
[14:32] <bjsnider> updates are pushed out to you
[14:32] <iKillCypher> :(
[14:32] <ziggy> okej i will try to switch and unplug my storage disk totaly when installing
[14:32] <BluesKaj> iKillCypher:  you just update and upgrade everyday
[14:32] <ziggy> then i should create and efi boot partition right ?
[14:32] <ziggy> it
[14:33] <iKillCypher> using updater ?
[14:33] <iKillCypher> any changelog ?
[14:33] <bjsnider> ziggy, i recommend you read the wiki page. it does work, i am using an efi/ssd system right now
[14:33] <BluesKaj> the sofrtware updater or apt-get in the terminal, iKillCypher
[14:34] <bjsnider> iKillCypher, you're stressing out about this way too much
[14:34] <iKillCypher> lol yeah kinda excited
[14:34] <iKillCypher> :D
[14:34] <iKillCypher> wanna get rid of my windows
[14:35] <bjsnider> really. how will you let natural light into your house?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> iKillCypher:  have you run linux before ?
[14:35] <iKillCypher> nope
[14:35] <iKillCypher> but want to learn
[14:35] <IdleOne> then you don't want to start with a dev release
[14:35] <BluesKaj> then maybe you should dualboot
[14:36] <bjsnider> run a livecd first and then go from there
[14:36] <iKillCypher> why not ?
[14:36] <BluesKaj> !dualboot | iKillCypher
[14:36] <bjsnider> because it's really different than your current operating system
[14:36] <iKillCypher> I know o.o
[14:36] <IdleOne> because there is a good chance it is broken and you won't know how to fix it.
[14:36] <iKillCypher> but isnt it faster
[14:37] <bjsnider> faster, i doubt it
[14:37] <IdleOne> you should download 12.10 and try it on a live USB
[14:37] <IdleOne> !usb
[14:37] <bjsnider> could be more stable, depending on your hardware
[14:37] <rye> or inside a VM
[14:38] <iKillCypher> so what if I want to upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04 ?
[14:38] <iKillCypher> need redownload the iso and reinstall
[14:38] <iKillCypher> :(
[14:38] <bjsnider> might be faster if your system is loaded with crapware/bloatware
[14:39] <bjsnider> your ubuntu system will tell you there is a new version and ask you if you want to upgrade
[14:39] <bjsnider> it will then download the new packages and upgrade
[14:39] <iKillCypher> so my data wont be lost ?
[14:39] <bjsnider> of course not
[14:39] <iKillCypher> so it is possible to upgrade from 12.10 - > 13.04 ?
[14:39] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:39] <bjsnider> linux wouldn't be of much use if it destroyed your data during upgrades
[14:39] <IdleOne> iKillCypher: once 13.04 is released to the public, yes.
[14:40] <iKillCypher> nice :D
[14:40] <iKillCypher> cant wait
[14:40] <iKillCypher> lol
[14:59] <ziggy> well you can do it now... edit /etc/apt/sources.list and then do a apt-get dist-upgrade .... not recomended
[15:01] <iKillCypher> do you guys get paid for developing ubuntu ?
[15:02] <ziggy> bjsnider, i will read the wiki im just realy confused why it does not work now.... im gonna change my drives sata cables now.... brb
[15:03] <smartboyhw> iKillCypher, the Canonical employees do
[15:03] <smartboyhw> Others are just volunteers and are un-paid
[15:04] <iKillCypher> is it true that ubuntu is coded in c ?
[15:05] <smartboyhw> iKillCypher, not exactly....
[15:05] <smartboyhw> Lots of languages
[15:05] <iKillCypher> ok time to boot into ubuntu will be back later :D
[16:06] <captine> hi there.  anyone had all their accounts become unusable in 13.04 empathy?
[16:07] <captine> cannot see the account details and cannot delete what is there.  pretty strange (there are just blank spaces instead of the account names etc)
[17:19] <k1lled> hi guys, i make ubs with 13.04 alpha but i have a problem.... /casper/vmlinuz file not found. i make my USB flash with Universal-USB-Installer-<IP_ADDRESS>
[18:48] <johnjohn101> i see that there is a new 3.8.4 kernel for linux.  How do i know if 13.04 is running that kernel or any updated kernel?
[18:56] <genii-around> !info linux-image-generic raring
[21:24] <MoPac> Hi - I'm very interested to see if anyone else has seen anything like this bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1158607
[21:26] <MoPac> Also, side note.  It appears that in the last couple of days, there has been a reversion in Compiz re: amnesia on keyboard shortcuts.  My shortcuts for Desktop Wall switching were finally working fine after reboot, and now they get reset to defautls every time
[22:08] <maxb> Is anyone familiar with unetbootin? It seems to fail to start for me on raring. Run as my user, it exits with no diagnostic info at all. If I sudo first, it hangs. From what I can tell from strace, it seems to be stuck trying to do something with dbus
[22:34] <Belial> empathy 's contact list is ridiculously large in 13.04
[23:32] <bekks> maxb: Use gksudo instead of sudo
[23:32] <maxb> bekks: The result is unchanged, it still hangs
[23:33] <Atlantic777> +1, I've got that problem with unetbootin too
[23:33] <Atlantic777> maxb: did you report a bug maybe?
[23:33] <maxb> Not yet, I was hoping to gather information more useful than "it hangs" first
[23:35] <Atlantic777> maxb: I think it's some problem with gksudo actually.
[23:36] <Atlantic777> Let's report a bug and maybe somebody will have idea what else to check. :)
[23:39] <maxb> Interestingly, I have two computers running raring, and it only hangs on one of them


[00:58] <Exodus> bdmurray, hello, i was reading somewhere you are working on a project to have multilingual launchpad, I was wondering how progress with that is going? and any other information about that project.
[03:27] <Tohuw> This bug has been invalidly marked: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/852972 For some reason, Brad Figg decided my bug was against Jaunty, but it really isn't. The install started life as an 11.04. The kernel might not be the most current for 11.04, but it is certainly at least as new as what shipped in the image.
[03:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 852972 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel 2.6.28 Returns NAK bailout from sendbytes on startup (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Won't fix]
[03:28] <Tohuw> It is unclear to me what the failure is, as I don't understand what "sendbytes: NAK bailout" means and have found no reliable source to explain it.
[03:31] <Tohuw> So, how do I go about getting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/852972 reviewed?
[03:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 852972 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel 2.6.28 Returns NAK bailout from sendbytes on startup (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Won't fix]
[03:33] <Tohuw> Ah, I just realized my mistake :( I wrote 2.6.28, it is actually 2.6.38. Should I just refile the bug, as this bug is incorrect?
[03:41] <Tohuw> Okay, I've cleaned my bug up considerably: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lts-backport-natty/+bug/852972 Can someone place it out of wontfix please?
[03:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 852972 in linux-lts-backport-natty (Ubuntu) "Kernel 2.6.38 Returns NAK bailout from sendbytes on startup (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Won't fix]
[07:03] <sl0wpoke> Hi there.  I think I have a triage-ready bug (#268365), but I'm not on Bug Control, so I can't mark it.  Could someone help?
[07:03] <sl0wpoke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/file/+bug/268365
[07:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 268365 in file (Debian) (and 1 other project) "file doesn't recognize .hs files as haskell, thinks they're java (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Unknown,New]
[07:03] <sl0wpoke> Yes.
[07:07] <micahg> sl0wpoke: confirmed on oneiric, setting to triaged, thanks
[07:07] <sl0wpoke> Thanks, much appreciated.
[07:07] <micahg> sl0wpoke: BTW, something should be confirmed as affecting the devel release if possible for the default task to be triaged
[07:08] <sl0wpoke> My mistake.  This was actually my first try.
[07:09] <micahg> sl0wpoke: no problem, you did good research into the matter
[07:10] <micahg> sl0wpoke: you might want to check out testdrive which helps you set up the devel release in a vm for testing
[07:10] <sl0wpoke> Ah, I hadn't done that.  Thanks for the advice.
[07:11] <sl0wpoke> Was this not in devel because it's so old?
[07:11] <micahg> sl0wpoke: no, I confirmed it affected the devel release as well
[07:12] <micahg> well, it was filed 3 years ago during the intrepid cycle
[07:12] <sl0wpoke> Er, just for reference, where does that page live?
[07:12] <micahg> but, just because it's old, doesn't mean it's not valid
[07:12] <micahg> sl0wpoke: which page?
[07:13] <sl0wpoke> Is there a separate report somewhere that I should have looked up?  Or should I have simply confirmed both entries on the given page?
[07:13] <sl0wpoke> (The one for #268365)
[07:13] <micahg> sl0wpoke: no page, I have the devel release installed, I pulled the ghc source which has haskell files, and ran file on a few of them
[07:14] <sl0wpoke> Oh, I see.
[07:15] <sl0wpoke> micahg: thanks again for your help and your patience.
[07:17] <micahg> sl0wpoke: feel free to ask any triage related questions here, someone should be able to answer
[09:20] <chalcedony> i upgraded to 11.04 and now it can't see my ps2 keyboard. i found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1594898&highlight=natty+ps2+keyboard  - the last post says it's the .gconf  - is this likely to be the case?
[11:00] <QUIKI> Hello!
[11:02] <QUIKI> Is this the place where I can report a bug or get help fixing it?
[11:47] <hggdh> oh hasty people
[11:52] <jibel> hggdh, maybe his bug was that he couldn't stay more than 5 min connected to IRC, who knows ;-)
[11:54] <hggdh> heh
[12:42] <RedSingularity> jibel: Do you have any known bugs with libwebkit causing update manager to fail?
[12:42] <RedSingularity> I thought I remember you asking about that in a report somewhere.....
[15:04] <bdmurray> pedro_: any idea where bug 850373 belongs?
[15:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 850373 in ubuntu "Lock screen does not change wallpaper (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850373
[15:07] <pedro_> bdmurray, could be g-s-d , i'll reassign it
[15:08] <bdmurray> pedro_: I've a similar one where with a dual monitor setup my wallpaper only shows up on one monitor and it shows up centered between the 2 monitors so half of it is missing
[15:11] <seb128> bdmurray, pedro_: it's a gnome-screensaver bug
[15:11] <seb128> well at least for the "change with the capplet" case
[15:11] <seb128> it seems it doesn't monitor the key
[15:12] <seb128> not sure how "wallch" works
[15:12] <pedro_> i'm updating the description, it's easy to reproduce just changing the background with the capplet
[15:12] <seb128> right, in that case it's gnome-screensaver which doesn't monitor the key
[15:12] <seb128> restarting gnome-screensaver makes it pick the right image
[15:12] <pedro_> bdmurray, could you file one for that in gnome-control-center? i've seen a couple of multi monitor bugs with the wallpaper
[15:12] <seb128> so the config on disk is ok
[15:13] <seb128> pedro_, bdmurray: the dual monitor is nautilus or gnome-settings-daemon, those display the background
[15:13] <bdmurray> its in the screensaver that it looks funny though
[15:14] <seb128> oh
[15:14] <seb128> so gnome-screensaver as well
[15:38] <bdmurray> pedro_: bug 854800
[15:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 854800 in gnome-screensaver (Ubuntu) "screensaver background only shows part of my wallpaper on a multi-monitor setup (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854800
[16:46] <bdmurray> RedSingularity: just an fyi that last bug pattern required quite some changes
[17:09] <macer1> !poll
[17:09] <ubot4> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.
[17:10] <macer1> oops
[17:10] <macer1> sorry
[17:10] <macer1> wrong channel
[17:10] <macer1> I was trying to write this on #ubuntu-bots
[19:00] <jimmy_mac> hello! I may have found a bug in the SSH client for 64 bit Ubuntu and Debian. 32 bit systems don't seem to have it. Should I report it here?
[19:04] <roadmr> jimmy_mac: could you file a bug report on launchpad.net?
[19:05] <jimmy_mac> I was just reading the instructions for that now, I should be able to do so, thanks for pointing me in the right direction
[19:05] <roadmr> jimmy_mac: you can run "ubuntu-bug openssh-client"
[19:05] <roadmr> jimmy_mac: that'll collect a bunch of useful debugging information, then it will direct you to launchpad.net where you'll be able to fill in details about the bug you're seeing
[19:06] <roadmr> jimmy_mac: great, let me know if you get stuck, thanks for your report!
[20:22] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: There were a lot of errors??  I think that was the one I couldn't test locally.
[20:24] <bdmurray> RedSingularity: not errors it only was matching the master and none of the duplicates
[20:24] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: was the title off?
[20:26] <bdmurray> RedSingularity: this is what it ended up looking like
[20:26] <bdmurray> +       <re key="Title">update-manager crashed with UnicodeEncodeError in get_dbus_message\(\): 'ascii' codec can't encode character(s)?( u'\\.*')? in position \d+(-\d+)?: ordinal not in range\(128\)</re>
[20:26] <bdmurray> and something similar for the Traceback
[20:28] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: ah and you used the +d for the ordinal range instead of the number.  Wouldnt that number have been the same for all reports tho?
[20:28] <bdmurray> so there were multiple different characters in different ranges
[20:29] <bdmurray> I'm guessing its something like a sentence being passed on the message bus and maybe its different for each translation?
[20:30] <RedSingularity> that makes sense.  Ok :)


[06:12] <bzoltan_> zzarr: you need to have an arm64 schroot. If you need one I can make you one custom image on Tuesday, if you van wait for that long.
[11:44] <peter-bittner> jdstrand: Thanks for the manual review on my appear.in web app. Unfortunately, the web app still refuses to allow access to the camera. I've explained it in detail on the mailing list. Seems like we have discovered a security issue by accident. https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg18658.html
[20:55] <peter-bittner> Anyone online who has ever managed to access the camera in a web app? (It works in the web browser for me.)
[23:29] <peter-bittner> appdevs


[11:05] <santa_> good morning everybody
[11:06] <santa_> RikMills: ping?
[11:06] <RikMills> santa_: pong
[11:06] <santa_> hey, nice to see you
[11:06] <santa_> I have been resuming my test rebuild routine I got frameworks and plasma done, good job
[11:07] <santa_> so I'm now aiming @ apps
[11:07] <RikMills> great
[11:07] <santa_> there's still a couple of missing git repos: kirigami-gallery and kipi-plugins
[11:08] <santa_> kirigami-gallery is available @ debian sid already, passed the NEW queue
[11:09] <santa_> https://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kirigami-gallery.html
[11:09] <RikMills> I thought I made those?
[11:09] <RikMills> maybe not got the right branches?
[11:10] <santa_> ah, maybe. let me check
[11:12] <RikMills> not sure why kirigami-gallery did not sync. done taht now
[11:12] <RikMills> that
[11:17] <RikMills> in new queue
[11:20] <santa_> RikMills: indeed, missing branches was the problem I see now kubuntu_focal_staging for kirigami-gallery, but not for kipi-plugins
[11:20] <RikMills> yeah, I just did that
[11:21] <RikMills> hmm. our daily iso failed
[11:25] <santa_> one of these years I should get involved with isos and such
[11:26] <santa_> btw I have been updating my zillion VM for kubuntu testing. I'm still not finished XD
[11:40] <santa_> RikMills: so are you going to push that _staging branch to kipi-plugins or should I? :P
[11:41] <santa_> I mean I don't mind to do it, but I guess you want to get it right in your local clone as well
[11:41] <RikMills> santa_: please do if you want. I've got sidetracked with this failing iso
[11:42] <santa_> ok, just remember to make sure you local is ok ;)
[11:43] <RikMills> santa_: I had taken it out of my apps clone folder so I did not build it and upload by mistake :P
[11:43] <RikMills> so I have nothing at the moment
[11:43] <santa_> allright
[11:44] <RikMills> kdeconnect depends sshfs, new sshfs depends fuse3, fuse3 breaks fuse. nice!
[11:49] <santa_> XD
[11:52] <RikMills> I think I'll demote that to a recommends for kdeconnect for now
[11:53] <RikMills> let debian sort their mess out, then change it back
[12:17] <BluesKaj> Howdy al
[12:18] <BluesKaj> all
[12:37] <santa_> hi
[17:20] <santa_> RikMills: FYI, I've just seen they are replacing in debian's kdepim the moronic "Bump group breaks" with something else
[17:21] <RikMills> santa_: the virtual packages?
[17:21] <santa_> RikMills: yeah, I'm inspecting the thing
[17:24] <RikMills> santa_: would get rid of symbols files in PIM, which would be a big pain gone. possible be able to bump epochs and get rid of abix libs in future as well
[17:25] <RikMills> I have been keeping an eye on progress for last few weeks
[17:26] <santa_> aha, ay toughts you want to share about it?
[17:26] <santa_> s/ay/any/
[17:28] <RikMills> santa_: not much on a technical level. if it works, as it seems it is, would certainly be easier. I have already merged the small pkg-kde-tools change required
[17:29] <santa_> ok, thanks
[20:02] <santa_> RikMills: so ... the change seems cool, what's the required pkg-kde-tools change?
[20:15] <RikMills> santa_: this IIRC https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/pkg-kde-tools/commit/74235691f8fb9194dea361a88ffd73b1b8c5ff41
[20:26] <santa_> ah, ok
[20:27] <santa_> RikMills: so if we both have time this week maybe we could discuss how to implement the virtual packages change in our kdepim packages?
[20:28] <santa_> not today because my brain is fried
[20:38] <RikMills> santa_: ok