[00:25] <pronet_>  Ey guys, i currently installed xampp ver 5.6 but whenever i want to start it on the browser (Chromium or Firefox) it reads an error ( failed to execute Web browser, Input/Output error )
[00:26] <rypervenche> pronet_: You should probably just be using normal packages in Linux and not xampp.
[00:26] <rypervenche> pronet_: Are you starting the web browser from the terminal? Where are you seeing the error?
[00:27] <pronet_> Yes i am..
[00:28] <rypervenche> pronet_: It's possible that there's an issue with your disk. Can you pastebin all of the output that it gives you?
[00:30] <wa> hi
[00:30] <pronet_> [9861:9861:0406/033002.677259:ERROR:zygote_host_impl_linux.cc(89)] Running as root without --no-sandbox is not supported. See https://crbug.com/638180.
[00:31] <wa> Hi, I need help with a problem I have in the terminal
[00:32] <rypervenche> pronet_: You're running a web browser as root?
[00:33] <pronet_> Well. im sorry but i dont even know how im doing that.. could you please elaborate
[00:34] <rypervenche> pronet_: I think there are a lot of things that could be wrong here...
[00:35] <rypervenche> If you're running things as root and don't realize it, that's not good and you may very easily hose your system (ruin it).
[00:36] <wa> Unable to open lock file "/ var / lib / apt / lists / lock" - open (13: Permission denied)
[00:36] <wa> This is the problem I have, could someone help me?
[00:36] <pronet_> How do i check whether im running applications on root or not.. because, on the terminal i usually input my password when going to root
[00:39] <rypervenche> wa: What are you trying to do when that happens?
[00:40] <rypervenche> pronet_: You can type "whoami"
[01:28] <noregret> guiverc: i'm just looking to update samba
[01:28] <noregret> main reason is the new vfs_fruit support
[02:22] <fling> How to upgrade from 17.10 to 18.10 properly?
[02:22] <fling> Should I edit the sources lists? What about ppas?
[02:24] <guiverc> fling, Ubuntu 17.10 is now EOL and should have been upgraded before then. First you need to fully upgrade it (ie. point your sources to old-releases; then sudo apt update; sudo apt dist-upgrade) then do-release-upgrade to bump yourself to 18.04 LTS, then reboot, then if all okay, consider next move to 18.10.  PPA's should be disabled/purged for max chance of success; but backup regardless
[02:25] <fling> I don't have do-release-upgrade btw
[02:25] <fling> guiverc: Is there a step-by-step guide on 'point your sources' part?
[02:26] <fling> I'm also worried about these two ppas I have installed -> https://launchpad.net/~commendsarnex/+archive/ubuntu/winedri3 https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers ?
[02:26] <guiverc> fling, all Ubuntu images I thought come with it; have you removed some of the default install?
[02:26] <fling> mesa/drives/nine are from there
[02:26] <fling> guiverc: this is the deafult lxd image
[02:26] <guiverc> release-upgrades are tested without any PPA's active.. they are 3rd party sources that are your own choice, own responsibility to validate & test.
[02:27] <fling> What would be the proper approach anyway? To just upgrade or to first remove any ppas and then readding them later?
[02:28] <guiverc> fling, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades for info on 17.10 upgrades (due to it being EOL), but you need to go 17.10 to 18.04 (only tested path), reboot & with 18.04 running then to 18.10  (LTS can go to next LTS, non-LTS only to next release)
[02:29]  * fling reading
[02:30] <guiverc> for max success; I'd suggest removing PPA's.  With PPAs you need to check them yourself individuaully  (ie. do they support the next release? is it even needed for next release? is it still supported to your satisfaction/security-concern etc);  do-release-upgrade usually disables them anyway before upgrade..
[02:32] <fling> guiverc: I checked the pages and winedri3 has bionic and cosmic, graphics-drivers ppa has bionic, cosmic and disco
[02:32] <fling> so I decided to upgrade to cosmic which is 18.10
[02:32] <guest-U3a8q4> hello
[02:33] <guest-U3a8q4> anybody here?
[02:33] <guiverc> i don't know of the PPA so cannot advise on how it would go during upgrade.  I always remove (consider purging), then upgrade, then re-add back.. 17.10 to 18.10 direct is untested; non-LTS only upgrades to next release
[02:33] <fling> guest-U3a8q4: hello.
[02:33] <guest-U3a8q4> how can I find a person to talk about the new movie?
[02:33] <tomreyn> !ot | guest-U3a8q4
[02:33] <guiverc> guest-U3a8q4, this is a Ubuntu Support room; we support Ubuntu and official flavors only
[02:34] <guest-U3a8q4> ok
[02:34] <guiverc> fling, https://askubuntu.com/questions/34430/can-i-skip-over-releases-when-upgrading
[02:34] <guest-U3a8q4> Can you give me some advice to know Ubuntu?
[02:34] <fling> guiverc: I'm not going to skip. How to purge properly?
[02:34] <guest-U3a8q4> This is my first time to use XChat
[02:35] <guest-U3a8q4> it's very interesting
[02:35] <tomreyn> guest-U3a8q4: the installers at ubuntu.com also come with a fully functional live system you can try.
[02:35] <guiverc> !ppa-purge
[02:35] <guiverc> fling, ^
[02:35] <fling> guest-U3a8q4: just read more. Start from here -> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
[02:36] <fling> guest-U3a8q4: also /join #fsf
[02:36] <fling> guest-U3a8q4: and #gnu and there are lots of other channels
[02:37] <fling> guiverc: great! you are very helpful. So I will start with purging
[02:38] <fling> haha I don't have ppa-purge installed
[02:38] <fling> oh I still can install! just installed it
[02:39] <fling> Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: commendsarnex winedri3
[02:40] <Bashing-om> !alis | guest-U3a8q4
[02:40] <fling> Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: oibaf graphics-drivers
[02:41] <fling> guiverc: things in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ are still there
[02:42] <fling> guiverc: https://bpaste.net/show/3414ecc06638
[02:42] <fling> Can I safely drop artful sources lists?
[02:43] <guiverc> fling, i can't recall how ppa-purge works, if it removes files or just comments out lines.. (I'd opt for commenting out with additional comment saying when/why i did it) myself -- those files could be just comments inside
[02:44] <fling> Nothing got commented out
[02:45] <fling> Ok, dropped them for now
[02:46] <tomreyn> ppa-purge comments out apt sources, downgrades packages to versions in ubuntu proper. or tries to.
[02:46] <guiverc> fling, others maybe able to help you more; but a look at my box (opened 'software sources' in menu) shows 'artful' PPA's still visible in my "other software" tab (unchecked so disabled).. it was a XFCE add-on that wasn't needed in 18.04 & up
[02:50] <fling> guiverc: updated sources.list and getting 404 errors -> https://bpaste.net/show/05fdd5f9c094
[02:52] <fling> looks like 404 is the common thing here https://askubuntu.com/questions/999366/failed-to-release-upgrade-from-17-04-to-17-10
[02:54] <guiverc> yeah fling http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ doesn't have the artful directory ..  exploring..
[02:55] <tomreyn> apparently those are on security.ubuntu.com, not sure why
[02:56] <tomreyn> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[02:56] <guiverc> my local mirror still has `artful`  (so old-releases change wouldn't be necessary - no idea why - it EOL ages ago and I thought was moved)
[02:56] <guiverc> (by local mirror I meant archives. not old-releases)
[02:57] <tomreyn> that's just because you local mirror server failed to remove them, i think
[02:57] <tomreyn> ah no they're still on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ too
[02:58] <jcb2016> thanks ubuntu for mkusb :D
[03:00] <tomreyn> fling: i'm not sure this was said, yet, but the only responsible thing to do if you let your ubuntu installation reach end of life is to do a fresh installation of a supported release and to restart backups / rsync your data (and to migrate configurations)
[03:01] <tomreyn> *restore, not restart
[03:01] <tomreyn> that is if you rand the system during those 9 months where it wasn't getting security patches
[03:01] <tomreyn> *ran
[03:05] <fling> tomreyn: how do I upgrade this artful?
[03:06] <tomreyn> fling: so you're saying you want to upgrade, not install fresh?
[03:07] <tomreyn> i won't criticise, it's a just a decision you need to make on your own.
[03:07] <fling> tomreyn: yeah this is just a small container only running nine. I've not turned it on for a year or so.
[03:07] <fling> tomreyn: lots of wineprefixes there, don't want to migrate to new install.
[03:08] <tomreyn> ok, then make sure no services are reachabke on the internet on it.
[03:08] <fling> None there
[03:10] <guiverc> fling, tomreyn's suggestion was to download the 18.10 you want to be using, write to thumb-drive, validate-it (what I do anyway using option at menu), install (something-else & no-format is what I'd do) it'll take note of your added software (ubuntu sources only), wipe system dirs, install, re-add back additional software you added (main repos only) then allow reboot.. it doesn't touch user dirs  (most of user configs will be here, but
[03:10] <guiverc> ensure you don't select 'format')
[03:10] <guiverc> fling, why not use a LTS release then - 18.04 LTS will be supported for 5 years (can be extended thru ESM use) - where as 17.10/18.10 are 9 month only releases?
[03:10] <tomreyn> then, point the default ubuntu apt sources to an archive mirror which still provides them, sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get full-upgrade. then, personally, i'd just disable all third party repositories and use https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages to identify the packages i need to remove ("no longer downloadable") and i need to downgrade ("no version in archive"), and do so.
[03:12] <tomreyn> guiverc: i really meant a fresh install. i am not certain that what you describe works without a separate /home
[03:12] <fling> guiverc: this is waaay to complex.
[03:13] <fling> I installed this container with a single `lxd launch ...` command
[03:13] <guiverc> tomreyn, i use it regularly (something-else only offers no-format & only wipes system.dirs) - backup always of course..
[03:13] <guiverc> but fling I'd trust tomreyn more than myself
[03:13] <OhSHeesh> Hey all. Trying to get an HP Win10 laptop to dual boot Ubuntu, for some reason Grub isn't booting Ubuntu up at all
[03:14] <fling> guiverc: not lts because I want new llvm and mesa
[03:14] <tomreyn> okay, cool. then this can be an option. but you wouldn't benefit from, say, new file system defaults (but then i guess nothing changed there between 17.10 and 18.10 in terms of ext4).
[03:15] <fling> I'm using zfs here…
[03:16] <tomreyn> uh oh
[03:16] <Tedward> fling are using zfs for your root?
[03:17] <fling> Tedward: yes.
[03:17]  * tomreyn does not know what preparatory steps may be needed when upgrading with zfs root.
[03:17] <Tedward> that does complicate things a bit
[03:18] <fling> ubuntu is running in an lxd container!
[03:18] <Tedward> I am not sure for root, my data drives are zfs but my system drive is just ext4, which version of ubuntu are you running right now and what is your problem?
[03:19] <tomreyn> 17.10, wants to upgrade to 18.10
[03:19] <fling> Tedward: updated sources.list and getting 404 errors -> https://bpaste.net/show/05fdd5f9c094
[03:19] <fling> Tedward: and this https://bpaste.net/show/3414ecc06638
[03:20] <fling> Not sure how to and if should purge https://launchpad.net/~commendsarnex/+archive/ubuntu/winedri3 https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers
[03:21] <Tedward> fling looks like you are running 17.19 which supported ended on July 19, 2018
[03:22] <Tedward> I highly recommend you upgrade to a newer version
[03:22] <fling> Tedward: this is what I'm trying to do. Want to upgrade to 18.10
[03:23] <fling> Tedward: but can't because `apt update` gives 404.
[03:23] <tomreyn> to get rid of the 404 errors, undo the change to "old-release", pointing apt urls to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[03:23] <fling> Tedward: ppa-purge failed to do it's job so I just dropped the sources.lists but the packages are still there.
[03:24] <OhSheesh> (Away from home, usually on as Mr_Sheesh) Just plain high centered :/
[03:24] <Tedward> fling if you have backups I recommend doing a reinstall, as I have found upgrades past one version don't work well on ubuntu, maybe others have different experiences
[03:25] <fling> Tedward: the container is only used for nine, I don't think I break anything really bad.
[03:25] <fling> Tedward: also not going to upgrade skipping 18.04
[03:26] <tomreyn> what is "nine"?
[03:26] <Tedward> I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean by container is only used for nine?
[03:26] <fling> tomreyn: Tedward: nine is patched wine/mesa/drives https://wiki.ixit.cz/d3d9
[03:27] <tomreyn> oh gallium nine
[03:30] <fling> upgrading to bionic now
[03:30] <iodev> you're late, fling
[03:31] <fling> iodev: what do you mean?ㅖ
[03:38] <daniel> hey hye mo gs
[03:39] <fling> what ppas are anyway?
[03:39] <fling> Are they just mostly adding sources lists?
[03:39] <Bashing-om> !ppa | fling
[03:40] <fling> Does this mean I got rid of ppas if I dropped sources.lists.d ?
[03:40] <Bashing-om> fling: No .. as you said .. the packages are still present on the system when the source is removed :(
[03:41] <fling> Bashing-om: I will be readding ppas again after I complete my upgrade to 18.10
[03:42] <Bashing-om> fling: 17.04 install . I can accept that ppa-purge will not work as the repo mo longer exists .
[03:42] <iodev> fling: 18.04 was released a long time ago
[03:43] <fling> I'm following this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#SpecificOlder
[03:43] <Ben64> fling: you should go to 18.04 so you don't run into this problem again so soon
[03:43] <fling> I issued do-release-upgrade and it is upgrading to 18.04
[03:43] <fling> Ben64: what problem?
[03:43] <Ben64> the unsupported release problem
[03:44] <fling> Ben64: going to upgrade to 18.10 afterwards
[03:44] <Ben64> 18.10 loses support in july of this year
[03:44] <Ben64> which is why i'm saying you should stick to 18.04
[03:44] <fling> Ben64: but I want new mesa and llvm
[03:45] <Tedward> fling if I remember correctly, before you reboot you will need to install zfs as it will need to compile against the updated kernel
[03:45] <Ben64> fling: then stay on top of updates
[03:45] <fling> Tedward: I'm running ubuntu in an lxd container.
[03:46] <fling> Ben64: will try to do this.
[03:46] <Tedward> fling, I can't help you there, I have no experience with lxd containers
[03:47] <fling> Tedward: no help needed in this direction. lxcontainers are using host's kernel.
[03:48] <Tedward> fling, what is the host then?
[03:49] <fling> Tedward: host is what running lxd itself. In my case it is a gentoo running on real hardware but it could be another lxd/lxc/docker container in general.
[03:50] <Tedward> ah gentoo my first love, if it is passing through the kernel then I think zfs will have to be compiled into the host kernel
[03:51] <fling> Tedward: it is compiled in the host kernel yes. Not upgrading this one yet.
[03:51] <kaosine> since I'm technically on 18.04 through neon anyone know why on mbp mid 2015 that it might keep inserting text randomly? like I've not been able to pinpoint a reason why it would be doing this...
[03:52] <Tedward> inserting text randomly in what context? as in any program? kaosine?
[03:54] <tomreyn> kaosine: we only support ubuntu and its official flavors here, such as kubuntu
[03:54] <kaosine> Tedward: yeah any program. I don't know if I'm leaning on it or what but never had the problem in macos, but now that I've switched(proton and other reasons) sometimes it just seems to either insert the last thing I copied or idk what
[03:55] <kaosine> kubuntu did the same thing when I was on it too I think...
[03:55] <tomreyn> kaosine: when you run kubuntu and have this issue, you're welcome to come back with logs.
[03:55] <Tedward> tomreyn, ah I didn't know that was the policy, my apologies
[03:56] <Tedward> kaosine, or my guess is there is a kde neon room or forums somewhere
[03:56] <kaosine> idk what the difference is since it's just newer kde packages on top of a LTS release....I've tried asking in the neon room but it's pretty dead in there
[03:56] <fling> ok just upgraded to Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS
[03:57] <fling> do-release-upgrade removed packages from dropped ppas
[03:58] <fling> So how do I upgrade from 18.04 to 18.10 properly? :P
[03:58] <tomreyn> Tedward: no worries
[03:58] <tomreyn> !upgrade | fling
[03:59] <guiverc> kaosine, Kubuntu is an official flavor, KDE neon isn't with differences made to use later KDE packages - thus it's not the same
[04:00] <kaosine> yeah but their page itself says it's not a distro "Not quite, it's a package archive with the latest KDE software on top of a stable base. While we have installable images, unlike full Linux distributions we're only interested in KDE software. "
[04:00] <Tedward> kaosine, there is a good chance that there isn't a difference on your particular issue, but my guess is this room is focused on answering questions pertaining to Ubuntu and it's offical flavors as that reduces the variables involved
[04:01] <kaosine> eh, guess I'll redownload kubuntu and see what happens....not sure why it's doing this anyways
[04:03] <fling> looks like it is just do-release-upgrade again
[04:04] <kaosine> what's the best thing to use to burn the image as a bootable anyways? I'm kinda wary of unetbootin as I'm wondering that caused some kind of issue...(especially since I'm stuck waiting for a bit considering how slow my internet is)
[04:04] <Tedward> kaosine, I have great luck with ddrescue -D --force iso_name /dev/drive_name
[04:06] <kaosine> at least for the purpose I'm doing this, I have a drive formatted to ext4 with all the games I managed to download so far. Not hard to reinstall a few tiny apps beyond that XD
[04:06] <Bashing-om> kaNy favorite from ubuntu: ' sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M && sync ' .
[04:07] <Bashing-om> kaosine: ^^ .
[04:07] <kaosine> especially since I'm stuck at 500gb internally XD
[04:07] <tomreyn> kaosine: burn? an optical media writer such as brasero, wodim, cdrecord, bashburn
[04:08] <fling> upgrading to cosmic yay!!
[04:08] <kaosine> tomreyn: well I'm writing it to a partition I created on my drive XD
[04:09] <tomreyn> kaosine: don't use a laser there.
[04:09] <kaosine> Bashing-om: I'll try that...and your name sounds familiar....I swear I ran into you the last time I tried doing this(back when proton didn't exist XD)
[04:11] <kaosine> but I think back then we were on 12.04....I still have the disc I burned back then XD
[04:12] <kaosine> yay time to delete what's on that parition and put this on there instead....and dang it I'm ready to be rid of this issue
[04:14] <Bashing-om> kaosine: Possiblee - I have been around a spell :P
[04:18] <kaosine> ok neither of those commands worked Bashing-om 's gave me "can't open is a directory" XD
[04:18] <kaosine> ddrescue did the same thing
[04:19] <hi> yo
[04:19] <Tedward> kaosine sounds like you are either pointing it at a file that is not an iso or you are pointing it a drive that is not there
[04:19] <Tedward> hi hi
[04:20] <kaosine> well ddrescue says "ddrescue: Can't open output file: Is a directory"
[04:20] <hi> so which is better kali or ubuntu
[04:20] <kaosine> and all I did was run "ddrescue -D --force /home/kaosine/Downloads/kubuntu-18.10-desktop-amd64.iso /media/kaosine/INSTALL"
[04:21] <hi> #kali
[04:22] <hi> yo do i need to learn python?
[04:23] <kaosine> heck, I'd just use etcher this now but since they changed the name apparently it sends info even when the box to not do that is turned off
[04:23] <Tedward> kaosine,  /media/kaosine/INSTALL is a directory not a device
[04:23] <Tedward> you need to give it for example /dev/sdb
[04:24] <hi> tedward whats happening?
[04:25] <Tedward> hi, just chatting, but I would suggest if you are asking the question of Kali or Ubuntu, then you Ubuntu is the better choice
[04:27] <hi> well then again how im i supposed to learn if i di=ont try
[04:27] <kaosine> huh that time it did it when I changed it to /dev/sdc2 but I don't see anything in it's folder now XD
[04:27] <kaosine> hi: make bootable drives and experiment *shrugs*
[04:27] <hi> what are u installing?
[04:28] <kaosine> kubuntu
[04:29] <tomreyn> kaosine: you don't normally write the iso file to a partition but to the full device, overwriting the partition table and all data stored on it.
[04:29] <hi> wait kaosine what do u do? pen test or,social engineer or do u just hack in genaral
[04:29] <tomreyn> !chat | hi
[04:30] <Tedward> kaosine you need you use the root drive, not a partition, so /dev/sdb not /dev/sdb1 does that make sense?
[04:32] <kaosine> well doesn't help that I don't exactly have a drive that I can just wipe and do this with(plus it's 12:31am, what would be on campus for me to get another one is closed)
[04:35] <fling> upgraded to Ubuntu 18.10 !
[04:40] <kaosine> guess I'll be back in a bit I think it finally went XD
[04:45] <pi0> what is the cmd to determine what type of processor is being used
[04:46] <CarlFK> pi0: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[04:47] <CarlFK> oh goodie: bugs		: cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2 spec_store_bypass l1tf
[04:48] <pi0> thank you let me try
[04:49] <pi0> got a nice openvz 1gb
[04:59] <pi0> CarlFK: works perfectly
[05:05] <fling> Which package is for /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/d3d/d3dadapter9.so.1 ?
[05:06] <kaosine> well....got kubuntu installed but now keyboard backlight doesn't work.....
[05:06] <pi0> brb
[05:06] <Ben_X> whats the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[05:07] <kaosine> kubuntu is kde by default
[05:07] <Ben_X> what is kde? sorry for the newb questions
[05:08] <Ben_X> i have been using ubuntu now for a couple years but it is the first linux distro i have ever used
[05:08] <kaosine> it's a desktop environment. Basically if you want something that looks similar to windows you'd use kde or xfce
[05:08] <kaosine> and there's versions that come with that as default
[05:08] <Ben_X> oh ok
[05:09] <Ben_X> you would still need wine to run windows programs?
[05:10] <kaosine> yeah....it's linux after all. It just gives the feel of those systems
[05:11] <Ben_X> it looks like windows
[05:16] <fling> I can't find it -> https://duckduckgo.com/?q="%2Fusr%2Flib%2Fi386-linux-gnu%2Fd3d%2Fd3dadapter9.so.1"
[05:16] <kaosine> but seriously, I can't seem to find a setting that might affect the keyboard backlight and I know it worked when under neon but definitely not now under kubuntu
[05:16] <fling> is it libd3dadapter9-mesa ?
[05:17] <fling> No, should be libd3dadapter9-mesa:i386
[05:19] <Ben_X> linux mint looks alot like kubuntu
[05:19] <fling> Ben_X: you are really comparing desktop environments.
[05:19] <fling> Ben_X: all the distros will look the same if you will start kde on them.
[05:19] <fling> Ben_X: or gnome on each of them or whatever
[05:20] <fling> Ben_X: not only gnu but even bsd distros btw :P
[05:20] <fling> You could probably run kde on windows
[05:20] <kaosine> ewww windows
[05:21] <kaosine> and gotta restart....updated and now I can't go to any new pages without restarting the browser >_<
[05:22] <fling> Why had I been missing libd3dadapter9-mesa:i386? Is it something wrong with package dependencies in the ppa?
[05:23] <tomreyn> !find /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/d3d/d3dadapter9.so.1
[05:24] <fling> tomreyn: what if I'm missing something else but just not noticing yet? :P
[05:24] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/libd3dadapter9-mesa
[05:25] <tomreyn> fling: what makes you think you're missing it?
[05:26] <tomreyn> i mean: why do you think you need it
[05:27] <fling> also found libncurses6:i386 is missing
[05:27] <fling> tomreyn: Failed to load '/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/d3d/d3dadapter9.so.1': /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/d3d/d3dadapter9.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:28] <fling> tomreyn: Wine cannot find the ncurses library (libncurses.so.6)
[05:28] <fling> so I also installed libncurses6:i386
[05:28] <fling> I would really like the packages to get installed as deps…
[05:29] <tomreyn> those packages are optional, though
[05:29] <tomreyn> since you run an amd64 system
[05:30] <fling> but still
[05:31] <tomreyn> "apt rdepends libncurses6:i386" lists packages which depend on it. pick one that you want installed, and this package will get installed as a dependency
[05:32] <tomreyn> or apt-mark auto a package to have it automatically removed when all packages which require it are removed
[05:32]  * tomreyn bbl
[05:34] <Ben_X> slackware looks different
[05:34] <Ben_X> then the other os'
[05:35] <kaosine_> bah, why are all these guides ancient for making this work properly....I don't want to use a guide that's meant for 16.04 when I'm on 18.10 and something break XD
[05:36] <ledeni> fling:  did you install 'sudo apt install libd3d9-mesa:i386'
[05:37] <kaosine_> (it's literally how I broke stuff before in neon and kubuntu.....had to reinstall just to make wine install properly XD)
[05:38] <Ben_X> does anyone know how to set up a card reader/writter on ubuntu?
[05:39] <ledeni> fling:  if you do ---->'sudo mkdir /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/d3d/' and 'sudo ln -s /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/d3dadapter9.so.1 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/d3d/d3dadapter9.so.1'
[05:39] <fling> Sounds even worse!!!
[05:44] <jarnos> Mikähän on, kun noi mirrorit on kovin hitaita nyt?
[05:48] <bigMouthCommie> i jostled my laptop and it kind of locked up. hard rebooted, and now i'm in "emergency mode" with some really opaque instructions about "journalctl"
[05:55] <guiverc> bigMouthCommie, if were me, I'd boot a live medium (eg. Ubuntu install media) and `fsck` (file system check) your disk as first step.  without a clean shutdown (ie. power off) it'll look for and correct any fs errors..
[05:56] <guiverc> (with luck after this operation, it'll be back to normal..)
[05:58] <bigMouthCommie> guiverc: according to google, this is the correct course. i'm looking for one that will fit on a CD-RW now
[06:02] <bigMouthCommie> trisquel mini
[06:02] <bigMouthCommie> err trisquel 7 mini. version 8 is over 700 mb
[06:03] <guiverc> bigMouthCommie, trisquel is not Ubuntu, nor an official flavor of Ubuntu, thus off-topic here.
[06:05] <guiverc> bigMouthCommie, lubuntu 14.04 is 628mb
[06:06] <guiverc> (it's all EOL this month, parts are already EOL; but it'll be useful for fsck though no idea if it knows about xfs (encryption))
[06:06] <bigMouthCommie> no encryption
[06:06] <bigMouthCommie> violates my security protocols :P
[06:19] <bigMouthCommie> uh... e2fsck: get a newer version of e2fsck!
[06:20] <guiverc> bigMouthCommie, did you try just `fsck` ?  (or were you using fsck & it called e2fsck?)
[06:21] <bigMouthCommie> guiverc: i did try fsck, and it called e2fsck
[06:21] <bigMouthCommie> also, i can't find the lubuntu 600mb image
[06:22] <bigMouthCommie> nevermind on that last bit
[06:22] <guiverc> bigMouthCommie, i went via my local mirror  (where I normally download from) so http://ftp.iinet.net.au/dir.php?ubuntu/lubuntu/14.04/release
[06:23] <guiverc> (i usually then validate checksums downloaded from ubuntu site)
[06:25] <kaosine_> well....this is going to be interesting. Now putting kubuntu on my inspiron 3847 I got as a hand me down.....hope that works....idk what to do about the backlight keys. I knwo it worked under neon but I don't know what driver I'm missing under kubuntu....
[06:30] <guiverc> kaosine_, if you have a kde neon thumb-drive; it has try-neon as I recall, you could boot it, if it works `lsmod` (list kernel modules) & look what is loaded on it...  it usually helps on your chosen ... (esp. if like kernel)
[06:39] <fling> ledeni: I can't find libd3d9-mesa package
[06:45] <tomreyn> !root | root4
[06:45] <tomreyn> oops, i mean:
[06:45] <tomreyn> !rootirc | root4
[06:48]  * Mead logs in a root
[06:51] <ledeni> fling:  add ppa 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers'
[06:53] <ledeni> fling: after that sudo apt-get update && sudo apt install libd3d9-mesa:i386 '
[07:05] <bigMouthCommie> guiverc: it worked! i used SomeOtheDistro(tm) but it totally worked!! thank you thank you!
[07:05] <guiverc> you're most welcome bigMouthCommie :)
[07:13] <vlt> EriC^^: Thanks, I’ll have a look at tthe BIOS.
[07:42] <spinningCat> is it weird ubuntu cannot find my bluetooth?
[07:42] <spinningCat> can you help me with that?
[07:49] <spinningCat> any help
[07:51] <spinningCat> this is what i get http://dpaste.com/1JEGBG7
[07:54] <spinningCat> do you have any idea about this error
[07:54] <spinningCat> Failed to start discovery: org.bluez.Error.InProgress
[08:02] <spinningCat> now i am getting Failed to start discovery: org.bluez.Error.NotReady
[08:12] <oriKorito> holi,alguien? :,v
[08:12] <brlin> spinningCat: Try disable and re-enable the bluetooth adapter: `rfkill block bluetooth`, `rfkill unblock bluetooth`
[08:12] <oriKorito> ah,ok?
[08:15] <brlin> spinningCat:  It appears that you're using the snap distribution of bluez, if you're not using a Ubuntu Core system you should remove it.
[08:15] <brlin> spinningCat: `sudo snap remove bluez`
[08:16] <Apachez> when using intel graphics in windows current memory allocation can be seen in the driver settings, what about in ubuntu? how do I find out how much ubuntu currently allocated for the internal intel graphics?
[08:18] <brlin> Apachez: Theres a `Reserving Intel graphics memory at _memory_range_` line in the kernel log
[08:19] <brlin> Apachez: Also you should check out the `intel-gpu-tools` package
[08:20] <Apachez> does ubuntu only support static allocation?
[08:20] <Apachez> [    0.000000] Reserving Intel graphics memory at [mem 0xdb200000-0xdf1fffff]
[08:20] <Apachez> ill check out those gputools
[08:23] <Apachez> those intel-gpu-tools didnt contain much
[08:25] <brlin> @Apachez  I believe that is configurable in the mainboard firmware settings (e.g. BIOS/UEFI)
[08:25] <Apachez> na
[08:26] <Apachez> in there is only IGD minimum memory
[08:26] <Apachez> not what it will actually use once the os is up and running
[08:27] <brlin> Apachez: I thought that is applied in the post booting phase as well?
[08:28] <Apachez> well there is that reserving stuff
[08:28] <Apachez> but I thought 4.18.0-17-generic by now would support increased use
[08:28] <Apachez> and not only static allocation during boot
[08:28] <Apachez> something like   cat /proc/gpuinfo   would have been handy
[08:29] <Apachez> as with cpuinfo and meminfo
[08:36] <pacop69> hello guys! since update gnome 3.32 the user logo in the system menu (top-right corner) is bigger then others ... is that normal ?
[08:39] <spinningCat> brlin,  let me do it
[08:40] <spinningCat> brlin,  i remove blues now what should i do?_
[08:43] <brlin> spinningCat: Try reboot and reproduce the problem again, when disturbance happens run the `dmesg | pastebinit -a ''` command in a terminal to paste the system logs
[08:46] <spinningCat> okay
[08:46] <spinningCat> i will be back
[08:53] <spinningCat> brlin,  this is dmesg https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/h2qGJ79QCh/ it saw the device i guess but i am getting "not set up" and it is not clickable
[09:01] <brlin> spinningCat: You should consider installing the `intel-microcode` package for the speculative attack mitigation
[09:03] <brlin> spinningCat: The system log didn't reveal much valuable info, run `journalctl --unit bluetooth.service | pastebinit -a '' -b pastebin.com` in a terminal to paste the bluz service logs
[09:07] <spinningCat> i added the device
[09:07] <spinningCat> i cannot enable the device
[09:07] <spinningCat> let me do it
[09:10] <spinningCat> brlin,  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sh8rPdBBn2/
[09:13] <EriC^^> who highlighted me?
[09:14] <spinningCat> this is seriously shit
[09:15] <spinningCat> i cannot connect device
[09:18] <spinningCat> made me sad
[09:18] <spinningCat> ubuntu made me sad
[09:18] <spinningCat> i guess i will remove it from my computer
[09:19] <spinningCat> my phone can connect that device sucesfully in a second
[09:19] <spinningCat> but ubuntu cannot find the device
[09:21] <rf_sust2018> hello everyone! :-D
[09:56] <hack3d> hi
[09:56] <hack3d> help me plis
[09:56] <hack3d> i dont understand hoic
[09:56] <hack3d> <#
[09:57] <hack3d> <3
[09:57] <hack3d> hi_
[09:57] <hack3d> ?
[10:22] <hid> Hi. what linux livecd do you use for pc diagnose pc (check up). I need one that can also start a desktop environnement. I need one that can also start a desktop environnement
[10:23] <vlt> hid: I use grml.org
[10:24] <vlt> Or just any ubuntu install iso.
[11:16] <ucc_> Hello
[11:16] <Rumen> Hi there
[11:17] <Rumen> Anyone can help with LSB uShare?
[11:17] <Rumen> https://imgur.com/67iCngr
[11:19] <jgh-> hi guys, does anyone happen to know how to remove grub from a second hdd?   I'm trying  to dual boot windows (on a second hd) and linux (first hd) and screwed it up,  was able to boot via bios before but now I've got grub installed on both disks and windows wont boot at  all :(
[11:20] <jgh-> most of the advice seems to be how to remove it from the windows side, but i cant get to windows right now
[11:22] <airqualitystanda> what does the windows advice suggest and can it be re-created in a linux form?
[11:25] <jgh-> mostly seems to be using the windows repair tools :P
[11:26] <airquality> ah okay, which one.
[11:26] <airquality> we can check it's function and then find an appropriate tool
[11:26] <airquality> i am interested in your question because i normally take the brute force approach and nuke windows. it would be useful for working on family's computers to help you solve this :)
[11:27] <jgh-> looks like some people are using bootrec and bootsect
[11:27] <airquality> okay great
[11:27] <jgh-> yeah i hope i dont have to just nuke the whole thing cause that will be a huge pain
[11:27] <airquality> a lost boot sector is no reason to nuke, you're fine
[11:28] <jgh-> amazing that grub is so easy to install on a drive and so difficult to remove :P
[11:29] <airquality> haha. yea. boot is tricky.. that stuff needs to be formatted all sorts of special ways so some of the lowest level hardware can boot it and initialize the system!
[11:29] <airquality> it's exciting stuff. but yes. difficult to work with as it's "under" the OS
[11:29] <airquality> okay, i'm going to do some reading. brb
[11:29] <airquality> see what i come across.
[11:30] <jgh-> ok i appreciate your help, im gonna keep  digging....efibootmgr seems to be an interesting lead
[11:30] <airquality> hopefully someone helps you while i'm gone and we both just learn simultaneously, hehe
[11:30] <airquality> i have used efibootmgr in the past in order to "queue" windows for the next boot, when switching from linux to windows. it's a good tool
[11:32] <airquality> okay. i have one lead. an article from august 2018 from maketecheasier.com suggests a tool called "boot-loader" which can be installed and run from a Ubuntu LiveUSB
[11:33] <airquality> i unfortunately have no test system, so i'll continue to read.
[11:34] <airquality> okay. this page had three linux suggestions. 1. boot-loader 2. syslinux 3. lilo
[11:34] <vavkamil> This is probably not a right channel, but I need help with ubuntu and virtualbox. I have EFI system and can't disable secure boot (company laptop don't have bios password). Can't install another ubuntu instance in virtualbox because of it. Any suggestions, google search is not helping
[11:34] <airquality> hopefully that assists you :)
[11:35] <airquality> hi vavkamil!
[11:36] <vavkamil> hey \o/
[11:36] <airquality> nice to meet you. your question doesn't sound too far off base for the channel, but i'm new here so don't mind me.. hopefully you get some help, i gotta run. jgh- let me know if you succeed please :)
[11:36] <jgh-> ok thanks airquality
[11:37] <airquality> jgh-, one last thing. do you know if the disk is GPT or MBR?
[11:37] <airquality> your solution will HEAVILY depend on that answer.
[11:37] <jgh-> the linux disk is gpt, the windows disk is mbr
[11:37] <bipul> Hi, Does anyone know what is failing here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QCzWMCDcrC/
[11:37] <airquality> the one you are repairing is MBR then?
[11:37] <jgh-> yes
[11:38] <airquality> great. my solutions still apply then :)
[11:38] <jgh-> i can boot into linux (1st disk) fine
[11:39] <airquality> if you want more technical guidance: https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10385
[11:39] <isomari> greetings, anyone know how to convert a whole website (documentation website) into a pdf?
[11:40] <jgh-> cool ill give this a go, installing boot repair now
[11:40] <airquality> the closest i've ever done to that is using some some recursive wget args to pull a site.. i think it was wget..
[11:40] <jgh-> a it's a gui app :P
[11:40] <airquality> for some that is good, for others, bad, hahaha
[11:40] <airquality> i like the man pages personally :) i'll take shell any day
[11:40] <isomari> airquality: I'm using that now but the option to not retrieve before a certain directory is not working.
[11:42] <isomari> airquality: oh, were you answering me?
[11:42] <airquality> hm. pretty sure i didn't write down what i did. i do now.. but didn't at the time, anyway i doubt it would help you because you just end up with a folder structure and instead of having a web page now you have a bunch of local files that still aren't PDFs :X
[11:43] <airquality> yea, i'm just spending some time helping others debug :D i'm not the best but i enjoy helping
[11:43] <isomari> airquality: I've tred many times to convert a downloaded site but I've never done it successfully.
[11:44] <airquality> i don't imagine i'll solve your problem, but i'll play with wget and see what happens
[11:45] <airquality> what format is the web page? something tells me this may have been easier in the old pre-AMP, pre-mobile days of HTML and CSS, haha
[11:45] <isomari> maybe I'll try wkhtmltopdf again.
[11:46] <airquality> so if you're lucky enough to have all HTML files
[11:47] <airquality> LibreOffice Writer can export to pdf. Are you that lucky? :D
[11:47] <airquality> oh, same solution you said. haha
[11:48] <airquality> that application you mentioned seems to be the one LibreOffice Writer uses
[11:48] <airquality> gotta run, project time!
[11:55] <q9> quit
[11:58] <jgh-> ok apparently installing lilo into the windows disk MBR has fixed it :P
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:04] <ceibal> qh
[12:11] <marek_> hello
[12:55] <Calvus> \msg NickServ Register zfrgamnxpvfrrs<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:55] <jeremy31> Calvus: try in server window
[12:56] <jeremy31> /msg Nickserv
[13:02] <Malgorath> So I'm setting up a beefy linux box and I was going to put in a video card, I have infront of me, an AMD 580RX 8G a NVIDIA 960GT 2GB or an Nvidia Quadro 600 2GB
[13:02] <Malgorath> my question is which works best I guess with linux
[13:03] <Malgorath> I am just remember some headaches from the past with ATI/AMD cards and drivers being a PITA
[13:03] <Malgorath> But maybe they made strides and its better.
[13:24] <Exagone313> Hi, for starting pulseaudio on others distros (from i3), I usually use start-pulseaudio-x11, but on ubuntu I get "Connection failure: Connection refused", but using pulseaudio --start works.  Should I just keep using that second command or is there anything that would be missing?
[13:34] <brainwash> Exagone313: I thought that pulseaudio is started automatically anyway
[13:34] <Exagone313> brainwash: I'm not running a desktop environment that is pre-configured to do that
[13:36] <brainwash> >"Autospawning" means that when a PulseAudio client tries to connect to the server, but the server isn't running, the server gets automatically started. The feature is part of libpulse, and it's completely transparent to applications, that is, applications don't have to explicitly add support for autospawning, autospawning is done automatically as part of the connection process of any PulseAudio application.
[13:38] <brainwash> so, start-pulseaudio-x11 would just ensure that pulseaudio is up and running immediately on session start
[13:38] <brainwash> that's how I understand it
[13:43] <brainwash> Exagone313: did you disable autospawing (pulseaudio configuration)?
[13:44] <brainwash> /etc/pulse
[13:44] <Exagone313> brainwash: I kept default configuration
[13:45] <brainwash> maybe you got a non default config file in ~/.config/pulse/
[13:46] <Exagone313> I don't
[13:48] <brainwash> I would just use the second command then or none if things work correctly (autospawn)
[13:53] <Exagone313> brainwash: it seems that autospawn is disabled in default config: libpulse0:amd64: /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf contains autospawn=no
[13:55] <Exagone313> I'll keep that second command, doesn't seem to have any issue
[14:03] <raidghost> How can i add swap/ram and cpu cores specificly to the command unrar ?
[14:06] <tomreyn> raidghost: you can increase process priority, but how many resources a process requests is up to it (any any options or configurations you may have passed to it)
[14:06] <vimar> Hi
[14:07] <Raichu> vimar: Hi
[14:08] <vimar> oi Raichu
[14:10] <brainwash> Exagone313: changelog for pulseaudio mentions this: Use systemd socket activation by default on linux systems. At the same time, disable autospawn to prevent conflicts.
[14:21] <nullbyte_> how can i add linuxlogo.service to boot before login promt with systemd?
[14:39] <Kurt-xubuntu> well i seem to have sorted out my issue with the screen going white and the mouse locking up when the monitor comes out of sleep was talking to my brother he is a old Linux system admin and computer consultant but he won't touch my computers makes me fix them myself learn more that way.. anyway he swears it is a x-windows issue in xubuntu so to get around it i just installed xscreensaver and have it go to a screensaver at night
[14:39] <Kurt-xubuntu> instead of power off the monitor no more waking up to a screwed up monitor every morning
[15:06] <lratliff> hi
[15:09] <Kurt-xubuntu> how high?
[15:20] <Ben_X> I am having issues with backing up my system - not enough storage space issue.  However I have plenty of space...
[15:21] <linuxconformer> guys whats the best way of handling ftp on my server? (never used ftp before)
[15:21] <linuxconformer> is there a package that can help set it up or something?
[15:21] <Kurt-xubuntu> yes
[15:21] <linuxconformer> which one?
[15:22] <linuxconformer> VSFTPD?
[15:22] <Bluefoxicy> Have any of the developers figured out what bug is the root cause of Ubuntu 18.04 locking up so often?  Even a fresh install in some environments—notably VMware and KVM environments—is only stable for a few hours before it just dies.
[15:22] <Bluefoxicy> It's basically Windows ME
[15:23] <Bluefoxicy> I've seen a few bugs filed about it and some chatter on forums, but nothing coming out of the Ubuntu team about when 18.04 will be production-ready.
[15:23] <Kurt-xubuntu> https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-quickly-setup-an-ftp-server-on-ubuntu-18-04/
[15:24] <Kurt-xubuntu> i would not recomend using ftp outside your firewall unless you really know what your doing
[15:24] <Kurt-xubuntu> when you set it up..
[15:24] <Kurt-xubuntu> that is just me
[15:25] <Shambler[> So. Windows 10 to drive B, trashes Ubuntu on drive A. Are people aware of this?
[15:25] <Shambler[> * Windows 10 install to drive B
[15:25] <xamithan> What do you mean by trashes,  people are aware it'll override the boot loader if that is what you mean
[15:26] <Shambler[> yes it trashes the boot loader
[15:26] <xamithan> That's why you install win10 first
[15:26] <Shambler[> No Win10 should not do that
[15:26] <Kurt-xubuntu> if your doing a dual boot system you have to install windows first always
[15:26] <Shambler[> It's not dual boot
[15:26] <Shambler[> They are on two separate drives
[15:27] <Shambler[> Ubuntu on drive A, windows on driveB
[15:27] <xamithan> You're welcome to talk to microsoft and ask them to fix it.  But ubuntu has no control over that
[15:27] <Kurt-xubuntu> still dual boot
[15:27] <Shambler[> does windows override the boot sector on all drives?
[15:27] <xamithan> Plus,  it's pretty easy to fix the EFI manually
[15:28] <Shambler[> I know it can be fixed, I'll do that shortly - that's not the point though
[15:28] <Shambler[> It's an anticompetitive practice by microsoft
[15:28] <Shambler[> They should get sued
[15:29] <Eickmeyer> !ot | Shambler[
[15:30] <ChunkzZ> I got an openvpn on ubuntu 18.04 running.. I'm trying to access a 192.168.x.x on my local network and it times out. can I somehow stop the vpn for local networks?
[15:30] <Shambler[> brb
[15:32] <Shambler[Bishop> so, at a corporate level, do Ubuntu or any other desktop Unix organizations, look at taking legal action for anticompetitive practices like that?
[15:32] <Shambler[Bishop> It's very clerly done to trash competing operating systems
[15:32] <Eickmeyer> !discuss | Shambler[Bishop
[15:32] <ChunkzZ> anyone?
[15:33] <Eickmeyer> !patience | ChunkzZ
[15:33] <ChunkzZ> lol
[15:33] <xamithan> You'll have to set up split tunneling inside openvpn
[15:33] <Shambler[Bishop> Ok. How do I fix the trashed boot partition?
[15:34] <ChunkzZ> xamithan, I would if I knew how to.
[15:35] <xamithan> Sorry I don't know how to either without looking at a guide,  just wanted to get you started.  ##networking probably better help
[15:36] <linuxconformer> why can't i use my root user for ftp?
[15:37] <linuxconformer> it gives me 530 Login failed
[15:37] <Bluefoxicy> because the root user has a lot of power and hackers would be able to use it to do unlimited damage
[15:37] <linuxconformer> oh ok
[15:38] <linuxconformer> what if my normal user doesn't have a password though? (to allow SSH easily)
[15:39] <hggdh> linuxconformer: SSH allows for public key authentication without password; FTP has no such thing
[15:39] <linuxconformer> can i set a password specifically for FTP only?
[15:39] <xamithan> use sftp then ?
[15:39] <linuxconformer> do i need a SSL server for that?
[15:39] <linuxconformer> (currently my server only has an IP address, no domain name and no certs)
[15:39] <xamithan> it'll use ssh but be like ftp
[15:43] <ChunkzZ> I can access 192.168.0.x but can't access the 192.168.0.x
[15:43] <ChunkzZ> I can't access <IP_ADDRESS>/24 but can access <IP_ADDRESS>/24 wth?
[15:45] <Eickmeyer> linuxconformer: That's a very, very bad idea. There are ways of setting-up SSH without having to enter your password every time.  https://www.tecmint.com/ssh-passwordless-login-using-ssh-keygen-in-5-easy-steps/
[15:45] <linuxconformer> Eickmeyer: yeah that's what i have atm, i just use my private key
[15:47] <bleb> my internet was down yesterday and still appears to be fucked up. it looks like the dns server defined by dhcp (<IP_ADDRESS>) is not acting as a dns server
[15:47] <Eickmeyer> linuxconformer: Then you're good, but having a user without a password for remote login is a bad idea. Private keys work instead.
[15:47] <bleb> but i can ping external ip addresses and am ssh'd into my vps right now so clearly the network is up
[15:48] <bleb> how would i configure my network to use a different ip address for resolving names? and what would be a good dns server to use?
[15:48] <Eickmeyer> bleb: Your questions can best be answered in ##networking.
[15:48] <ren0v0> phpmyadmin is complaining about mbstring not being installed, but ubuntu apt is telling me that is it ?
[15:48] <bleb> Eickmeyer: but this depends on how it works in ubuntu
[15:48] <ren0v0> The mbstring extension is missing. Please check your PHP configuration.   >>   php7.2-mbstring is already the newest version (7.2.15-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>)
[15:48] <ren0v0> any ideas?
[15:48] <bleb> at least the systemd way to do it will be different from the non-systemd way
[15:48] <Eickmeyer> bleb: It works in Ubuntu the same as it works in other distros that use systemd. Your question isn't specific to Ubuntu.
[15:49] <ChunkzZ> I can also access it from terminal... what the hell is wrong
[15:49] <ChunkzZ> ?
[15:49] <bleb> Eickmeyer: ok good to know so i'll ask in #systemd
[15:49] <ChunkzZ> I can connect via ssh but if I try via my internet browser.. it doesn't load...
[15:49] <bleb> i thought maybe ubuntu had a special graphical tool for configuring it
[15:50] <Eickmeyer> bleb: ##networking is what I recommend, not #systemd.
[15:50] <sharek> hi all
[15:50] <Eickmeyer> bleb: No, Ubuntu doesn't have a graphical tool for that.
[15:50] <Kurt-xubuntu> bleb the proper way would be to change the dns server at the router to a free dns server like googles dns server or opendns the networking channel can help with that
[15:50] <bleb> Kurt-xubuntu: thanks
[15:50] <Kurt-xubuntu> sigh
[15:52] <Eickmeyer> !who | ChunkzZ
[15:53] <ChunkzZ> Eickmeyer, I was just saying in general, not aimed at anyone... lol
[15:53] <ChunkzZ> you like doing that, eh.
[15:53] <Kurt-xubuntu> rofl
[15:54] <xamithan> lookup how to change the dns in openvpn
[15:54] <ChunkzZ> xamithan, ? this is what I said in ##networking: can anyone help me? I'm trying to access on my local network: <IP_ADDRESS> but I have a vpn ON, I can SSH into it and can also access <IP_ADDRESS> but if I try in my browser, it doesn't load/refuses the connection? I can access <IP_ADDRESS> in my browser but I can't with <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:55] <Eickmeyer> ChunkzZ: Please don't antagonize me. I'm here to help, and part of that requires directing people to the right channels.
[15:55] <ChunkzZ> lmao I'm not antagonising you at all....
[15:55] <xamithan> Oh,  that's a different issue.  So an http server is actually running on that IP ?
[15:55] <xamithan> ssh | browser is not the same thing
[15:56] <ChunkzZ> if I type "curl icanhazip.com it shows the vpn ip.
[15:58] <ChunkzZ> This site can’t be reached http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8112/ is unreachable. ERR_ADDRESS_UNREACHABLE
[15:58] <xamithan> Right,  you still need to configure split tunnel so your local networks have a route
[15:58] <ChunkzZ> xamithan, but why can I access <IP_ADDRESS> lol
[15:58] <ikanobori> ChunkzZ: Is there anything actually on that IP and what do your routes look like.
[15:58] <ikanobori> Is your VPN pushing a route for it?
[15:59] <xamithan> because your domain isn't the same thing as <IP_ADDRESS> while behind that VPN
[15:59] <ChunkzZ> yeah it's my download server ikanobori ie usenet/torrent server.
[16:00] <ChunkzZ> xamithan, what? I can access <IP_ADDRESS> through my browser too.
[16:00] <ChunkzZ> lol
[16:00] <ikanobori> ChunkzZ: Usually a VPN might push some routes that say 'you can access range <IP_ADDRESS>/24 through me'.
[16:00] <xamithan> isn't that icanhazip.com ?
[16:00] <ikanobori> It's likely pushing a range you didn't expect which makes your system try to use the VPN to access that particular IP.
[16:01] <ikanobori> So you can look into your routes and VPN config :)
[16:17] <Skyrider> Greetings everyone
[16:18] <Skyrider> Quick and hopefully simple question. As you all know, www-data user/group is used for all web related stuff, usually anyway. Now I have added my user to the www-data group, but how do I make sure that all files I upload will use the www-data owner/group rather than my own user/group? Using SFTP, but wanting to apply this to FTP.
[16:18] <Ben_X> Hello Skyrider
[16:19] <xamithan> I'd just enable the setuid|setgid bits on those directories skyrider
[16:20] <vimar> Hi Skyrider
[16:21] <VectorX> hi, ubuntu 18.04.1 i have installed whois with apt, its 5.3.0 and says thats the latest, but the latest is 5.4.2, how can i update this ?
[16:22] <brainwash> VectorX: ubuntu 19.04 (currently Beta) has that version
[16:23] <xamithan> Try ubuntu+1 or install from source vectorx
[16:23] <Skyrider> Awesome, I'll look into  it xamithan, thanks.
[16:23] <VectorX> right, but with the ubuntu version i have is there a way to get that beside manually compiling etc
[16:23] <xamithan> Could try finding a PPA
[16:23] <Skyrider> Also, out of curiosity. Does it have to be www-data as user/group for the permissions to work properly? Or can the www-data also be in the users group.
[16:24] <cryptodan_mobile> What does the latest give you that current doesnt?
[16:24] <VectorX> cryptodan_mobile its the whois servers queried
[16:24] <xamithan> It depends on the file permissions,  a lot of files are 644 and don't have write privs on the group skyrider
[16:24] <cryptodan_mobile> That shouldnt change
[16:24] <Skyrider> Using anything else than www-data tends for web software (like forums) to lack proper permissions to read it without a manual change.
[16:25] <Skyrider> aka errors like ./cache needs write permissions, etc.
[16:25] <VectorX> cryptodan_mobile those are what has mainly changed, https://github.com/rfc1036/whois/blob/next/debian/changelog
[16:26] <Skyrider> These write/read permissions usually tend to happen if I use my own user/group, rather than www-data. If I change it to www-data, those errors just disappear :p
[16:27] <cryptodan_mobile> Querying whois for a .jp aka Japan site would still use apnic VectorX
[16:27] <VectorX> xamithan i dont do this often, what would i run to install https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/whois
[16:32] <fux50c137y> .
[16:34] <xamithan> Out of scope for here VectorX.  Might try ##linux
[16:34] <VectorX> sure ill ask there, i think i just need to find the ppa name but not sure where that is on that page
[16:35] <brainwash> that is the official ubuntu repo
[16:35] <xamithan> I don't even know if there is a PPA.  whois isn't exactly something you'd need newer versions of like mysql
[16:35] <VectorX> that probably explains it
[16:36] <brainwash> you could download the deb package and check if it installs cleanly
[16:37] <brainwash> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/whois_5.4.2_amd64.deb
[16:37] <VectorX> ok
[16:37] <leftyfb> that probably isn't goung to work
[16:37] <brainwash> it can work
[16:38] <xamithan> Sure,  if all the dependecies are the same
[16:38] <brainwash> if not, one would have to pull in those too
[16:38] <brainwash> and create a mess
[16:42] <RedSec> i
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[16:42] <leftyfb> !op | RedSec
[16:44] <RedSec>   |   /   / -_)  / _` |   \__ \   / -_)   / _|   /
[16:49] <yadux> does holding shift key at start work if F2(setup) is password protected?
[16:52] <yadux> are the two related in some way?
[16:56] <leftyfb> yadux: yes and no
[16:56] <yadux> leftyfb: thanx, can you please explain me?
[16:56] <leftyfb> yadux: yes, it works regardless of the BIOS being password protected. No, having access to the GRUB menu is in no way related to your BIOS being password protected.
[16:58] <yadux> leftyfb: then i think i'm doing something wrong because i cannot reach grub menu... do i need to press shift many times or just keep it pressed?
[16:58] <leftyfb> yadux: what version of ubuntu? Why do you need to access the GRUB menu?
[17:01] <yadux> leftyfb: Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, i need to change admin password
[17:01] <leftyfb> yadux: the admin password? yadux you don't remember your users password?
[17:02] <yadux> leftyfb: it's an old computer, been off for a long time
[17:02] <yadux> leftyfb: i also dont remember bios password...
[17:02] <leftyfb> yadux: you hold down shift
[17:03] <yadux> leftyfb: nothing happens, but i'll try again now
[17:03] <leftyfb> yadux: you can also try ESC
[17:05] <leftyfb> yadux: you can also boot a live cd/usb and chroot to your / and update the password that way
[17:05] <yadux> leftyfb: doesnt work... when exactly should i start pressing it? i'll try with esc now
[17:09] <yadux> leftyfb: just tried with esc and doesnt give me grub either, f2 needs password, and i dont have livecd now... any way out?
[17:10] <leftyfb> yadux: make a live cd/usb
[17:10] <yadux> leftyfb: i start pressing immediately at boot, is that right?
[17:10] <leftyfb> yadux: yes
[17:10] <yadux> leftyfb: and just holding it down (not pressing many times), right?
[17:11] <leftyfb> yadux: to be honest, I've had to try different things on different computers for some reason
[17:11] <yadux> leftyfb: if it's unrelated to f2, it should work.. i dont understand...
[17:12] <leftyfb> yadux: it's unrelated to your BIOS being password protected. If it's a BIOS. If it's EFI, that might be the issue
[17:12] <yadux> leftyfb: i thought it didnt work because f2 was protected... you are sure this is wrong?
[17:12] <yadux> what is efi?
[17:13] <yadux> leftyfb: how to tell if it's bios or efi?
[17:14] <leftyfb> yadux: sorry, I need to step away
[17:14] <yadux> leftyfb: ok, thanks for your time
[17:17] <yadux> OTHER QUESTION: Is there a way to know how many times (and when) a password was changed?
[17:18] <yadux> Is it logged somewhere?
[17:21] <LevierMRQ> Hi.  Im liking a lot the "Share Ratio" of aMule.  Also, for some reasons, aMule seems to be less annoying for your peers; then meaning (i most figure) better for environnement than some others torrents.  My question is: what p2p you  believe i would get and install on Xenial?
[17:22] <LevierMRQ> yadux: Passwords in Ubuntu or on the web?  (Im not sure to understand your request)
[17:22] <rfm> yadux, last password change dae is ikept, (in /etc/shadwo), the "chage -l <user>" command can display it.  Just one date, not how many times or other history
[17:23] <yadux> LevierMRQ: ubuntu
[17:23] <yadux> rfm: thanks, do you need privileges to access that?
[17:24] <rfm> yadux, an unpriviledged account can display its own info, not anybody elses (just like it can change its own password but nobody else)
[17:27] <yadux> rfm: thanx
[17:28] <isomari> greetings, should networkd-dispatcher be running if I'm using NetworkManager?
[17:31] <yadux> rfm: can you also answer my first question? can you see it or do i need to repaste it?
[17:32] <rfm> yadux, no, I don't know why esc or shaift isn' working for you.  it just sails past the grub menu and boots ubuntu?
[17:32] <yadux> rfm: yes exactly, i cannot get to grub...
[17:33] <yadux> rfm: i thought it was because f2 is passwrd protected, but another person who helped me said the two are not related
[17:33] <rfm> yadux, what about opening up the box and resetting CMOS?  (via the jumper or taking out the battery.)  That might remove the bios password...
[17:34] <yadux> rfm: so you think they ARE related?
[17:34] <Cryptolock> guys any suggestions why everytime i reboot the box i have to add the route gateway manually ?
[17:34] <rfm> yadux, I agree with leftyb that the bios password shouldn't affect getting the grub menu.
[17:35] <yadux> rfm: i am a beginner, i'm afraid i will do damage if i open the computer...
[17:35] <yadux> rfm: then why cant i get to grub?
[17:35] <yadux> rfm: isn't it strange?
[17:35] <brainwash> isomari: you could disable it and see if everything still works
[17:35] <yadux> rfm: do i also need to press tab maybe?
[17:37] <rfm> yadux, afaik it's either shift or esc (I never use any.
[17:37] <yadux> rfm: afaik?
[17:38] <rfm> yadux, afaik = As Far As I Know.
[17:38] <hggdh> I know left shift works for stopping at grub selection
[17:38] <yadux> rfm: is it possible that grub is under there even though the screen is all black?
[17:39] <rfm> yadux, given the system is effectively bricked for you, can't see how opening it up and resetting CMOS could make it worse.
[17:39] <airqualitystanda> iirc, and let me be clear, ianal, but in any field of study i think acronyms decrease efficiency. but they're so convenient to use when typing.. dilemma..
[17:40] <yadux> rfm: i mean grub menu is there, but it's not displayed
[17:41] <yadux> rfm: maybe i will do the opening up as you say in the end, but first i want to try everything else...
[17:42] <yadux> rfm: i think now i want to try assuming grub is there, and using it "blindly"... bad idea?
[17:42] <yadux> grub menu i mean
[17:43] <yadux> rfm: thanks for your help
[17:44] <yadux> hggdh: thanx
[17:49] <Evan_> hello
[18:21] <StupidDanbo> how do I find out why my computer restarted? I think this is the 2nd time this has happened, and I suspect the same thing caused it last time, attempting to maximize a video in my Chromium web browser.
[18:22] <StupidDanbo> last reboot reports it was at 13:41. There's nothing in /var/log/syslog for that time.
[18:24] <StupidDanbo> nothing in auth.log
[18:38] <qwebirc35809> hey
[19:06] <TJ-> How to discover which key maps to "Super" (xfce4/Xubuntu 18.04) ?
[19:06] <ChunkzZ> TJ-, /join #xubuntu
[19:07] <TJ-> good point - I'm only ever in xubuntu-devel :)
[19:18] <ducasse> TJ-: maybe a combination of 'xmodmap -pke' and 'xkeycaps'?
[19:24] <TJ-> ducasse: hmmm, xmodmap doesn't list it (only Super_L and Super_R) which I had thought were Alt/Atr_Gr but no... stuck right now without a pointing device so trying to work with shortcuts¬
[19:25] <ducasse> TJ-: well, by default the 'windows' key is usually super
[19:27] <TJ-> ducasse: right, that is what I was expecting, but it isn't being reacted to. Not helping this is first-use of a new keyboard (which in all other respects seems to be standard 105-key UK mapping)
[19:28] <ducasse> TJ-: does xev report anything?
[19:31] <TJ-> ducasse: OK, so how do you quit xev from a keyvboard!!! ?
[19:31] <ducasse> 'q'
[19:31] <ducasse> iirc
[19:32] <ioria> you close the gui window
[19:32] <ducasse> or ctrl+x it in the shell you opened it from
[19:32] <ducasse> *ctrl+c
[19:33] <jeremy31> close the little box
[19:33] <TJ-> Ctrl+C / q etc. do not work :)
[19:33] <ioria> TJ-, you should have a gui window
[19:33] <TJ-> It turns out it does allow Alt+Tab to switch back to the terminal where Ctrl+C then does work
[19:34] <TJ-> ioria: Yes, which doesn't accept those key sequences
[19:34] <ioria> TJ-, i mean: close it
[19:34] <jeremy31> TJ click the close button on event tester window
[19:35] <ioria> every keyboard sequence is captured by xev
[19:35] <TJ-> ioria: right, but there is no way to close the window using only the keyboard - at least nothing obvious
[19:35] <ioria> TJ-, kill it with the pid
[19:35] <TJ-> Recall I am working with NO pointer device
[19:36] <ioria> ah
[19:36] <ioria> TJ-, open anothe tab
[19:36] <jeremy31> Open another terminal and sudo killall xev
[19:36] <ducasse> easiest is to focus the terminal and ctrl+c
[19:37] <ioria> right
[19:37] <ioria> how to focus without mouse ? :)
[19:37] <TJ-> ioria: how .. xev has grabbed all keyboard input at that point. As I said, I found the only way was to Alt+Tab out. All the expected quit/terminate combos are not translated but consumed by XEV directly
[19:38] <ioria> TJ-, can't you open another terminal tab ?
[19:38] <TJ-> Thanks for all the suggestions though, so I've found out the Windows key generates "Multi_key" but not discovered what "Super" is!
[19:38] <ioria> ctrl-alt-t
[19:39] <TJ-> ioria: Ahh, yes, that works too.
[19:39] <ioria> lol
[19:39] <ioria> what's the matter TJ- ?
[19:40] <TJ-> ioria: I'm using a 'new' keyboard which has no touchpad/pointer control, and found that the default hotkey (Xubuntu 18.04) is Super + <whatever> but cannot find what key is supposed to be "Super"
[19:41] <ioria> i see
[19:41] <ioria> TJ-, maybe   grep -i super  /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/pc
[19:42] <ioria> on xubuntu Super should be mapped on whisker
[19:42] <TJ-> ioria: ahhh, now that sounds more like my kind of solution, let me try
[19:43] <ioria> TJ-, if you edit   /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/pc , you'll need to logout/in
[19:44] <TJ-> ioria: nope, that only got hits for "superior"
[19:45] <TJ-> ioria: Ctrl+Esc brings up the XFCE system menu, and there are Ctrl+Alt+<whatever> alternatives but there are some with just Super+<whatever> - it bugs me the system/GUI doesn't, in the keyboard settings, detail which keycodes are currently mapped and which keys those are likely to be
[19:46] <ioria> TJ-, and what happens if you press the Win key ?
[19:46] <TJ-> ioria: nothing discernable!
[19:47] <ioria> no good
[19:49] <ioria> TJ-, <Alt> + F1 ?
[19:50] <TJ-> ioria: that looks like the Whisker application menu only, without all the decoration
[19:52] <TJ-> ahhh, maybe this is causing the problem (/etc/default/keyboard) "XKBOPTIONS="lv3:ralt_switch,compose:lwin""
[19:52] <TJ-> "compose:lwin" ?
[19:52] <ioria> a bug maybe
[19:56] <ioria> TJ-, on gnome-shell that is set to null
[19:56] <TJ-> ioria: I suspect if the system compose key is set to LWin, that cancels out the 'Super' mapping
[19:57] <ioria> yes, probably (i read something about it)
[20:10] <outofinspiration> Yo
[20:25] <AlexP11223> I have two disks: https://i.imgur.com/1BsKXIK.png 1 TB NVME SSD with Win 10 and empty 512 GB SATA SSD. I want to install Ubuntu 19.04 on the second one.
[20:25] <AlexP11223> Why it installs bootloader on the first disk when I install it like this? https://i.imgur.com/9gSK1wo.png
[20:25] <AlexP11223> now in UEFI I see both on the same disk
[20:27] <TJ-> AlexP11223: usually UEFI systems use a single EFI system partition which contains multiple OS boot loaders, and that goes on the primary device
[20:28] <AlexP11223> why it can't just install everything  on the selected disk?
[20:29] <xamithan> You can,  but how would it know which bootloader to use
[20:29] <xamithan> It doesn't,  it uses the one on the first disk
[20:30] <TJ-> AlexP11223: well, you'd have to create an EFI-SP on the 2nd device (possibly manually) so it could be selected at install time
[20:30] <AlexP11223> hm, I think it's possible to just select the disk I want to boot in uefi boot menu
[20:31] <ducasse> it boots in the order specified by the firmware boot variables
[20:32] <TJ-> AlexP11223: most firmware should have no problem with multiple EFI system partitions on multiple devices, but the OS installer needs helping because in most cases it assumes if there is an EFI-SP, to use it
[20:33] <AlexP11223> yeah but why it ignores the selection in the dropdown menu at the bottom of the installer?
[20:34] <TJ-> AlexP11223: Not sure; possibly a bug?
[20:36] <jeremy31> Disconnect the other drives and install Ubuntu
[20:38] <AlexP11223> yeah but it's more difficult to do and I thought only Windows does not allow to do this without disconnecting :(
[20:42] <jeremy31> AlexP11223: It might be easier than doing manual partitioning and installing with ubiquity -b to skip bootloader install and then manually installing grub
[20:46] <TJ-> Should be able to do it via "Try Ubuntu", create the EFI-SP on the 2nd device, then start the installer and select that 2nd device for bootloader and see if it does get put there
[20:50] <OerHeks> selecting that 2nd nvme as 1st boot device in bios, possibly helps too
[20:50] <TJ-> OerHeks: there should be no such option for UEFI
[20:52] <OerHeks> always locked?
[20:53] <TJ-> OerHeks: no, but the UEFI boot manager doesn't have a concept of devices, it's a boot-order of entries, where each entry can be asigned to any device (which could be local, network, removable, etc.)
[21:02] <ToasterDEV> Hello everyone! New user here :)
[21:03] <ToasterDEV> I've been trying to install backports kubuntu-desktop onto a Linux on Dex Ubuntu 16.04 arm64 distro, but every time the metapackage gets to kde-runtime, it presents issues while handling kdesud.
[21:03] <ToasterDEV> I would be really thankful if somebody could help me sort this out.
[21:03] <TJ-> !welcome | ToasterDEV
[21:03] <TJ-> ToasterDEV: that sounds like a problem that the #kubuntu folks might be more familiar with
[21:04] <ToasterDEV> Alright,  I'll go switch over there. Thanks for the help!
[21:26] <Mr_Sheesh> Where would be the right place to ask about a grub problem?
[21:27] <rypervenche> Mr_Sheesh: What is your problem?
[21:27] <Bashing-om> Mr_Sheesh: If on ubuntu here is good --- the #grub channel might be better .
[21:40] <Mr_Sheesh> Installed Ubuntu on a friend's win10 laptop to dual boot, did the disabling fast boot & secure boot (it's a UEFI system) but grub won't boot Ubuntu, just win10. Still learning LInux and this one has me stuck
[21:44] <Bashing-om> Mr_Sheesh: UEFI is out of my experience range - others here will assist, Wait :)
[21:45] <fleabeard> hello friends, I added a new user to sudo and am trying to ssh into that pc, but am getting the error "Permission denied (publickey)". I added this user to sshd_config with "AllowUsers newuser", restarted ssh and can't get in. Any ideas?
[21:46] <ToasterDEV> Hello everyone! I'm back again, it seems both #kubuntu and #ubports weren't the right place for my issue. Does anybody here have experience with Linux on Dex?
[21:47] <TJ-> fleabeard: did you ssh_copy_id to the remote user account so it has the public key?
[21:48] <TJ-> ToasterDEV: have you been able to capture the error reports to a pastebin?
[21:49] <OerHeks> ToasterDEV, then you should try ##linux,
[21:49] <fleabeard> TJ-, no, does that mean the newuser I created on that remote server I'm trying to ssh into has to have a ssh key generated on my PC first to copy it too?
[21:49] <ToasterDEV> I have: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ttFGmcxchj/
[21:49] <ToasterDEV> I'll go and ask #linux too.
[21:50] <OerHeks> TJ, it is an special image to run on S9 and other smartphones, not really ubuntu , and that backports part, is over the top.
[21:51] <TJ-> fleabeard: no, the other way around. You use ssh_copy_id to copy your *local* user's public key to the remote user's account, e.g. if you're Alice and the remote user is Bob, and you're logged in locally as Alice, you'd do "ssh_copy_id<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- but the remote host would need to allow password access first. Alternatively, you can manually copy the local $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa.pub and append it to the
[21:51] <TJ-> remote's /home/bob/.ssh/authorized_keys
[21:52] <fleabeard> TJ-, ah okay thanks, I'll give that a shot
[21:56] <TJ-> ToasterDEV: I can help you in as much as pointing you to where the error occurs. It is in the post-install script of kde-runtime package, specifically line 9 here: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-runtime/tree/debian/kde-runtime.postinst?h=applied/ubuntu/yakkety-proposed
[21:56] <fleabeard> TJ-, worked a treat, thanks!
[21:58] <TJ-> ToasterDEV: however, I suspect the packages you're using (as their name indicates from a PPA) may have modified that file/line. You can examine it manually in /var/lib/dpkg/info/kde-runtime.postinst
[21:59] <ToasterDEV> Thanks! Let me take a look.
[22:00] <TJ-> ToasterDEV: it could also be that as a non-standard install, files are in different locations, or some locations are read-only. The error message isn't precise
[22:01] <ToasterDEV> True enough, risks of beta software. Thank you!
[22:07] <fleabeard> if I create a user with "adduser --disabled-login newuser" how would I login as that user since it never prompts you to create a password for it?
[22:07] <fleabeard> login as in "su - newuser" at the terminal
[22:08] <OerHeks> not, such action is for service accounts.
[22:10] <hggdh> fleabeard: have you tried sudo - newuser?
[22:11] <fleabeard> hggdh, sudo: -: command not found
[22:12] <hggdh> fleabeard: ugh. sudo -i newuser
[22:12] <hggdh> sorry
[22:12] <Sbur3> Is there a way to have a VPN automatically set up and run on startup of the computer?
[22:13] <xamithan> Yes
[22:13] <Sbur3> xamithan: How?
[22:14] <Sbur3> xamithan: I mean, I don't want to set it up each time.  Like automate the procedure so that I don't ever need to do so again ...
[22:14] <xamithan> Many different ways.  Put it in your startup DE folder,  put it into systemd and enable at a boot,  put it in your rc.local
[22:14] <JoeLlama> I'm looking for TDD (sometimes called TTY) software for the deaf that runs on linux... anyone know of any?
[22:15] <xamithan> I don't even know what kind of VPN you are talking about
[22:15] <fleabeard> hggdh, didn't work, what I'm actually just trying to do is have that user run an .sh script.  Self proclaimed.  What is the easiest and best way?  I use NordVpn
[22:16] <xamithan> Ok and how do you connect,  with their client ?
[22:16] <Sbur3> xamithan: Username and password
[22:17] <hggdh> fleabeard: you cannot su to it, the account has no password set. Try sudo -s command (and make sure the script correctly sets the environment)
[22:17] <xamithan> I mean like,  what software do you use.  openvpn ?
[22:17] <xamithan> They have a guide on their website for openvpn.  https://support.nordvpn.com/Connectivity/Linux/1047410192/Linux-start-on-boot-manual-connection.htm
[22:19] <Sbur3> xamithan: Thanks.  I hadn't seen this part of the guide
[22:19] <Sbur3> xamithan: bye
[22:27] <JoeLlama> so no one has heard of deaf TDD software that runs under linux?
[22:27] <JoeLlama> seems like it should be out there someplace, right?
[22:27] <JoeLlama> but I can't find it :(
[22:31] <Technological> JoeLlama, what does that do?
[22:32] <JoeLlama> Technological, it allows deaf people to make calls and use the keyboard and screen to communicate over the phone
[22:32] <JoeLlama> there is software I found for windows but not linux
[22:35] <Technological> Hmmm do you think that software can run under WINE?
[22:37] <JoeLlama> probably not Technological but I dunno
[22:38] <Technological> Well I'm not too sure how proficient you are in using linux but most of the time installing WINE just needs a few commands.
[22:40] <TJ-> JoeLlama: The only speech recognition tool in the archives I can find is pocketsphinx
[22:40] <TJ-> !info pocketSphinx | JoeLlama
[22:41] <JoeLlama> thanks TJ- ... but I am looking for text only since deaf people don't usually talk much
[22:41] <JoeLlama> if you google TDD and deaf you will see what I am talking about
[22:43] <TJ-> JoeLlama: ahhh, and TDD in software means Test Driven Development, which makes finding the correct stuff more difficult
[22:43] <JoeLlama> yeah that's they the keyword deaf is needed
[22:44] <JoeLlama> also TTY and deaf which is also confusing
[22:44] <JoeLlama> both TDD and TTY are used in conjunction with the key word deaf
[22:45] <Technological> found this on github https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=tdd+deaf&type=
[22:46] <OerHeks> hmm, baudot tty supported by asterisk
[22:47] <argus> i use commannd grep -i -o to many files output haver Experian_Arizona.csv:text i need no put file name grep
[22:50] <TJ-> JoeLlama: I notice that asterisk has a TDD plug-in
[22:51] <plongshot> How do I add a command / path for an installed program? To do it manually on the command line.  Do I just go into /bin or /usr/bin and make a sim link with ln to the exectuabel??
[22:51] <plongshot> Am I remembering right? But this is a new version of ubu soo...
[22:52] <Technological> I thought anything in sbin and bin you can just type in the command anywhere and it should work
[22:53] <plongshot> Technological: rhght on. imna go fishiing round in there  :>
[22:54] <Technological> good luck.
[22:56] <TJ-> plongshot: if the executable is in a directory specified in $PATH you can invoke it directly by name only, otherwise you need to provide an absolute or relative path
[23:00] <Technological> TJ-, Have you ever encountered a linux installation where the Hardware inputs for the Mic are not showing up ? Alsamixer says it has rear mic and front mic but the regular audio settings doesn't list those devices.
[23:01] <JoeLlama> oh ok thankss Technological and TJ-
[23:02] <TJ-> Technological: "regular audio settings" - do you mean the GUI's PulseAudio interface? That may be due to having the incorrect 'profile' selected (e.g. it has a profile that isn't duplex (out + in) )
[23:02] <TJ-> JoeLlama: from what I read TDD/TTY/Baudot can also be a problem depending on which country you're in, and therefore the rate it uses 44.1 vs 50 etc.
[23:02] <Technological> yeah that is what I meant. Let me see if I can figure out the profile I need for this thing
[23:03] <TJ-> Technological: I'd recommend using the full "pavucontrol" Configuration tab
[23:03] <JoeLlama> oh ok
[23:03] <Technological> I use pavucontrol but it also doesn't list the inputs on there
[23:03] <Technological> It only shows my xrdp sink unfortunately
[23:04] <TJ-> Technological: no "duplex" profile?
[23:04] <Technological> how do I check that? I never really messed with the sounds
[23:04] <TJ-> Technological: the "Configuration" tab, Profile drop-down menu
[23:05] <Technological> says no cards available for configuration
[23:06] <Technological> haha but my sound works so that can't be right
[23:06] <Technological> Well it works remotely I never tried connecting speakers to the PC(yet)
[23:07] <TJ-> That suggests PA isn't controlling the audio - is it running? "ps -efly | grep pulse" should show a process owned by your user account
[23:08] <TJ-> Have you at some point customised the PA config (you mentioned 'remotely') and somehow caused it to 'lose' the local outputs?
[23:08] <TJ-> Technological: a quick test is to create a new user account and test in that, if that works, you know the cause is something in the reguylar account's configuration
[23:08] <Technological> I am using xrdp with audio
[23:09] <Technological> but It says pulse is running on my user account
[23:09] <Technological> 00:00:02 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
[23:09] <Technological> the other stuff is my username and junk


[01:33] <lfaraone> If a pacakge was introduced to Ubuntu during Lucid development but was dropped because one of its sub packages dep'd on pyxpcom, can we restore it in a SRU if we only remove that subcomponent?
[05:33] <micahg> lfaraone: ping
[05:34] <lfaraone> micahg: pong, I'll be around for a little while.
[05:34] <micahg> lfaraone: do you mind if I merge tuxguitar or do you want to do it?
[05:34] <lfaraone> micahg: go ahead.
[05:34] <micahg> lfaraone: thanks
[05:37] <lfaraone> micahg: apprecate the check.
[05:37] <micahg> lfaraone: no problem, I should have worded it differently
[05:38] <lfaraone> micahg: no worries. at first I was wondering "uh, did I accidentally take a bug saying I'd merge it and then forget about it? /me goes to check assigned bugs"
[05:38] <micahg> lfaraone: no, you merged it last :)
[05:39] <micahg> lfaraone: I'm just wondering why there's a debian-changes patch now in the merge
[05:41] <lfaraone> micahg: package was updated to use quilt, it was extracted automatically from the direct-to-source change made.
[05:41] <micahg> lfaraone: k, can I drop it then?
[05:42] <lfaraone> micahg: well, do you think the patch that it includes should be dropped? (is it unnecc. or included in the new debian version?) otherwise, keep it in and just rename it to something sensible following the patch taggign guidelindes.
[05:42] <lfaraone> *guidelines
[05:44] <micahg> lfaraone: well, it makes the changes in the package twice, so I guess I should revert the change outside the debian dir
[05:46] <micahg> maybe I'm not used to source format 3
[05:48] <micahg> k, I guess I'll leave it like this then
[05:55] <micahg> nm, the debdiff shows ok
[09:12] <micahg> wgrant: ping
[09:14] <wgrant> micahg: Hi.
[09:15] <micahg> wgrant: I was wondering if you'd be able to set up the Mozilla package set on multidistrotools
[09:15] <wgrant> micahg: Ah, sorry, I forgot about that email. I'm a bit behind at the moment.
[09:15] <wgrant> How shall I define that set?
[09:15] <micahg> wgrant: k, no rush, just wanted to make sure you got it :), it's an actual package set
[09:16] <wgrant> Hmm. I wonder if I can get that out of LP easily.
[09:17] <micahg> wgrant: you can pull it up with the ubuntu-archive-tools edit-acl script
[09:17] <wgrant> True.
[09:41] <wgrant> micahg: http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/mdt/mozilla.html should work now. Sorry for the delay.
[09:42] <micahg> wgrant: awesome, thank you :)  Now I have one page for my stuff
[10:36] <bmh1980> hi
[10:36] <bmh1980> i've uploaded 3 packages (brscan, brscan2 and brscan3) to revu. this packages are sane driver for brother scanners. it would be great if someone could review them.
[10:58] <ari-tczew> I'm a Ubuntu member. How can I request an e-mail adress?
[10:59] <BlackZ> ari-tczew: it's an alias and its creation is automatic after 2 days (about) you're added to ~ubuntumembers
[10:59] <BlackZ> ari-tczew: it's<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:00] <ari-tczew> could I get other alias instead myLPusername ?
[11:00] <Laney> no
[11:00] <ari-tczew> why? is it a problem?
[11:00] <BlackZ> ari-tczew: please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail
[11:01] <BlackZ> ari-tczew: I'm not sure, but I think you can't; you can change your LP username and wait 2 days about for the alias change
[11:02] <ari-tczew> stupid procedures and bureaucracy
[11:03] <wgrant> It... minimises bureaucracy.
[11:03] <wgrant> It's automatic.
[11:05] <ari-tczew> ok so, stupid procedures, zero flexible
[11:06] <ari-tczew> is it not possible to create new alias manually?
[11:08] <Laney> what if someone with that alias makes a launchpad account and becomes a member?
[11:08] <ari-tczew> with my name and surname?
[11:09] <ari-tczew> I think that I'm only with this full name on this world
[11:09] <ari-tczew> I want to have<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:09] <ari-tczew> like ttx has got
[11:10] <wgrant> Canonical employees are somewhat special like that.
[11:10] <wgrant> Ubuntu Members just get the LP username alias.
[11:11] <ari-tczew> aha, so I'm ordinary worker - get alias from LP username or gtfo
[11:11] <Laney> grr @ NBS
[11:12] <BlackZ> ari-tczew: rename your LP ID :)
[11:13] <ari-tczew> BlackZ: not planned
[11:13] <Laney> If anyone wants some fun no-change rebuilds: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/libavutil49
[11:13] <ari-tczew> who is responsible to @ubuntu.com management?
[11:14] <wgrant> The Canonical sysadmins.
[11:14] <wgrant><EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you feel like arguing.
[11:14] <ari-tczew> thanks
[12:10] <AnAnt> Hello, can someone sponsor this syncrequest: LP 604190
[12:14] <sebner> AnAnt: taking a look
[12:18] <sebner> AnAnt: ACKed
[12:18] <AnAnt> thanks
[12:18] <sebner> yw
[12:18] <sebner> hoi bdrung :)
[12:18] <bdrung> hi sebner
[12:18]  * bdrung is melting.
[12:19] <sebner> bdrung: haha, you are not the only one :P
[12:19] <bdrung> 37 °C outside and 28 °C in my room
[12:20] <sebner> bdmurray: 37??? Wow, in Austria the highest is 33° currently
[12:20] <geser> 30°C in my room currently, yesterday I even had 32°C :(
[12:21] <bdrung> sebner: i am living in berlin, germany
[12:22] <geser> sebner: btw since when can you ACK sync requests for packages in restricted?
[12:22]  * wgrant is amused at the reversal; early last year it was 46°C here for a couple of days, but now my room is sitting just below 7°C.
[12:24] <geser> wgrant: isn't that a little bit cold for a room temperature?
[12:24] <wgrant> geser: Yes :(
[12:26] <geser> wgrant: broken heating? offer to host some buildds in your room to heat it up
[12:26] <wgrant> geser: No heating to this part of the house.
[12:26] <AnAnt> great idea, winter buildds
[12:27] <wgrant> And my T400 isn't excellent at generating heat, so buildds sound good :P
[12:27] <bdrung> wgrant: do you want to build a big package to find a build failure?
[12:28] <sebner> bdrung: I knew ;)
[12:29] <bdrung> sebner: you knew?
[12:29] <sebner> geser: w00ps, I didn't notice. I'm sorry would you mind fixing?
[12:29] <sebner> bdrung: that you are from berlin, yes
[12:29]  * sebner -> dinner
[12:34] <AnAnt> this merge has been hanging for long LP 588736, is there a problem with it ?
[12:35] <AnAnt> should I ask mutt be reviewed on  -devel or -server  ?
[12:36] <AnAnt> or here ?
[12:37] <BlackZ> AnAnt: it's in main, so -devel
[12:37] <AnAnt> sebner: ah, you're a MOTU ?
[12:51] <sebner> AnAnt: yeah, sorry also to you, didn't check as you asked here
[12:52] <AnAnt> no probs
[13:09] <shadeslayer> tumbleweed: wow.. debian was fast :P
[13:09] <shadeslayer> they fixed bugsy
[13:10] <shadeslayer> debbug #588657
[13:19] <shadeslayer> tumbleweed: i guess ill have to do all the stuff again,right?
[13:19] <shadeslayer> merge from new debian package
[13:19] <AnAnt> sebner: ok, so should I ask again here that it gets sponsored ?
[13:19] <sebner> AnAnt: by a core-dev yes
[13:19] <sebner> AnAnt: or rather in -devel
[13:20] <AnAnt> ok, thanks
[13:35] <tumbleweed> shadeslayer: can't you just sync the new package?
[13:35] <shadeslayer> tumbleweed: ill have to check...
[13:36] <shadeslayer> right now ... alot is broken in maverick with new kde 4.4.92 packages :P
[13:36] <shadeslayer> so im trying to fix that
[14:26] <tumbleweed> BlackZ: here's my powerpc build log: http://people.ubuntu.com/~stefanor/tmp/xorp_1.6-3_powerpc.build
[14:27] <tumbleweed> no clue why -lcurses failed on buildd but not on my porterbox. anyone?
[15:36] <slytherin> lool: Any plan to merge gst-plugins-bad0.10 from Debian? And now that zbar is built, I believe the plugin should be enabled again.
[17:50] <geser> james_w: I'm adding your "import-bug-from-debian" script to u-d-t. Which license do you choose for that script?
[19:00] <james_w> geser: does u-d-t have multiple licenses?
[19:04] <geser> james_w: yes, some scripts are GPLv2 only, some GPLv2+, some GPLv3 only and some GPLv3+
[19:05] <james_w> GPL2+ is fine with me
[23:42] <micahg> what do I do if there's an armel failure on my upload?
[23:43] <shadeslayer> micahg: fix it? :P
[23:43] <micahg> shadeslayer: I don't know how, it's a segfault on install of a dependency
[23:44] <shadeslayer> micahg: can you post build log?
[23:44] <shadeslayer> idk alot of armel fixing,but maybe i can help
[23:44] <micahg> shadeslayer: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tuxguitar/1.2-5ubuntu1/+build/1863907/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-armel.tuxguitar_1.2-5ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[23:47] <shadeslayer> micahg: well.. i think you will have to fix /var/lib/dpkg/info/ca-certificates-java.postinst: line 40 <<
[23:47] <shadeslayer> the postinst script
[23:47] <shadeslayer> so you get to fix 2 packages :P
[23:47] <micahg> shadeslayer: :)
[23:47]  * micahg takes a closer look
[23:48] <shadeslayer> btw any idea why ruby-pkg-tools conflicts with irb?
[23:51] <micahg> shadeslayer: I don't
[23:51] <micahg> shadeslayer: I don't know why it's segfaulting
[23:51]  * micahg guesses more searching is needed
[23:52] <maxwellian> micahg: I'm interested in learning about packaging, but your pbuilder output shows that you're downloading like 200 megs of packages for this build...do you have to do that every time you build a package?
[23:52] <maxwellian> I killed pbuilder the first time I tried to run it for this reason. :\
[23:52] <micahg> maxwellian: that's from the archive
[23:52] <maxwellian> From the archive on your machine?
[23:53] <micahg> maxwellian: pbuilder will cache teh .debs it downloads, so if you only have to download a package once unless it's updated
[23:53] <micahg> maxwellian: no, the Ubuntu Archive builder
[23:54] <maxwellian> micahg: So I don't have to set up a proxy to do the caching if I use pbuilder, then?
[23:54] <micahg> maxwellian: not if it's just machine
[23:54] <micahg> *one machine
[23:55] <shadeslayer> maxwellian: you can just make a mirror of your own
[23:55] <maxwellian> Hmm, okay that's a bit of a relief.  But since it's a chroot, it can't use the archive of my normal install, I guess?
[23:55] <shadeslayer> maxwellian: nope
[23:56] <maxwellian> So there will be a bit of work to be done when I get started, since I won't have any packages in the chroot.
[23:56] <maxwellian> Although in THAT case a proxy might be useful, since my normal install and the chroot can share it?
[23:57] <shadeslayer> maxwellian: usually when you start out with pbuilder,you will have to download alot of stuff
[23:57] <tumbleweed> maxwellian: yes, I run a proxy
[23:57] <shadeslayer> then as time progresses .. you get a pbuilder of size 1 GB :P
[23:57] <tumbleweed> if you test multiple architectures, you can share the arch: all packcages
[23:57] <shadeslayer> like me :P
[23:58] <maxwellian> tumbleweed: Thanks for the tip about testing multiple archs, but that's way over my head atm. :)
[23:59] <tumbleweed> maxwellian: I mean, there are more savings to be gained than just between your host and your pbuilders, but they are probably quite small
[23:59] <maxwellian> shadeslayer: Man, I guess I'm gonna have to upgrade my laptop at some point then...or get rid of my Windows partition.


[05:01] <OvenWerks> zequence_: looking into /etc/xdg/autostart/ for maybe starting jackd at session start and I notice that most of the autostarts are in the directory already listed.
[05:01] <OvenWerks> but there is one file in /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio/autostart/
[05:02] <OvenWerks> xfce4-tips-autostart.desktop
[05:03] <OvenWerks> Is there a reason this is not with the others? does it actually do something unique to studio?
[05:04] <OvenWerks> I am thinking it could be moved in with the rest for easier maint.
[05:05] <OvenWerks> It looks like it is a remnant from basing studio on xubuntu in 11.10
[05:05] <OvenWerks> good night
[06:02] <zequence_> OvenWerks: Yes, it must have been there since the start.
[06:04] <zequence_> OvenWerks: I don't think autostarting jack should be done in a permanent fashion. It needs to be settable. -controls would have a autostart script, which would read through the user settings file to look for certain things, like: 1. is -controls set to autostart? 2. is jack set to autostart?, etc..
[12:34] <ttoine> zequence_, hello
[12:34] <ttoine> are you hre ?
[12:34] <ttoine> here
[12:47] <zequence_> ttoine: Hi
[12:56] <zequence> ttoine: I'll be away for a moment, but I'm logging, so I can read later.
[13:10] <ttoine> zequence, ok
[13:20] <zequence> ttoine: I'm back
[13:27] <ttoine> zequence, great
[13:27] <ttoine> just a word about the footer of the ubuntustudio.org
[13:28] <ttoine> I get another inquiry of Canonical legal staff: they would like us to add the same modification that I add to do for the merchandise
[13:28] <ttoine> it means telling that we are not affiliated with Canoncial
[13:28] <ttoine> I think they are gonna unsupport us in a very few time
[13:30] <zequence> ttoine: You mean, for the website, or just for the merchandise page?
[13:31] <ttoine> for the merchandise I already did it, both at the bottom the merchandise page of ubuntustudio.org, and the spreadshirt shop
[13:31] <ttoine> however they want us to edit the footer
[13:31] <ttoine> I can't do that with my account...
[13:32] <zequence> ttoine: Ah, that needs to be done for the wp theme
[13:33] <ttoine> yes, sure
[13:33] <zequence> ttoine: Let me do that tomorrow. We can't upload changes ourselves. Done by Canonical sysadmins
[13:33] <ttoine> ok
[13:33] <ttoine> there is no urgency
[13:34] <ttoine> you can use the same modification that I did
[14:53] <cub> hi ttoine
[14:53] <cub> I read the logs and you wrote earlier "I think they are gonna unsupport us in a very few time" about the footer and "not affiliated with Canonical"
[14:54] <cub> Could you elaborate a bit? You think Canonical will stop providing like web hosting or you think Ubuntu Studio might be excluded as a official distribution of the Ubuntu family?
[14:55] <ttoine> cub hi
[14:55] <ttoine> I think, yes
[14:56] <ttoine> because for a few weeks, they are asking me to mark more on our websites that we are not affiliated with Ubuntu and Canonical
[14:56] <cub> yes on both questions or? :D
[14:56] <cub> aha even with Ubuntu?
[14:56] <ttoine> we might be excluded of the official distribution
[14:56] <ttoine> for the rest, I don"t know
[14:56] <ttoine> or maybe this is just a new legal guy at Canonical that wants to make stuff clear
[14:56] <ttoine> strange
[14:57] <elfy> I would have thought that they'd need to talk to 'you' before they did that
[14:57] <cub> because the footer on spreadshirt only say Canonical
[14:57] <elfy> and I would double check with this legal - wouldn't be the first hiccup from someone new in 'legal'
[14:59] <cub> Otherwise I would reach out to Jono quick before he leaves. :P
[15:00] <cub> I understand if they want to say Ubuntu Studio is not affiliated with Canonical, that makes sense. But not affiliated with Ubuntu, that would propose some questions
[15:01] <zequence> I don't believe for a second they would stop letting us be an official distro
[15:02] <zequence> Makes sense that they want to make clear that we are not affiliated with Canonical
[15:02] <zequence> We should probably make that even clearer in our info pages
[15:02] <elfy> zequence: I'd agree - I'm sure this is a hiccup in legal - I would really get some clarification on this
[15:02] <elfy> ^^ said with my other hat on
[15:03] <zequence> elfy: I added you to the ubuntustudio-release team just now
[15:03] <elfy> aah okey doke - I'll see if I can poke about in the innards of the trackers then
[15:04] <zequence> Time for a beer in the sun with my lady :)
[15:04] <cub> nice
[15:04] <cub> summer in Gothenburg as well?
[15:04] <zequence> yep
[15:05] <cub> Stockholm too, but I'm stuck inside the office. :P
[15:05] <zequence> Actually, I need to wait another hour :(
[15:07] <cub> Gotta go back to the work stuff. :/
[15:07] <elfy> zequence: don't drink too much alone :p
[15:07] <elfy> ttoine: not sure if you read my comment above about double checking what they're after you doing and why
[15:18] <zequence> elfy: It's too for that. But, I might go a little realier
[15:18] <zequence> earlier*
[15:19] <elfy> I guessed :)
[15:19] <ttoine> hum
[15:20] <zequence> I meant to say too hot.
[15:20] <ttoine> zequence, kubuntu developers are not anymore supported by Canonical
[15:20] <ttoine> and if you look at their website, they are highlighting Server and Cloud edition
[15:20] <ttoine> Desktop edition come third
[15:21] <zequence> That doesn't mean they are shutting down the whole community
[15:22] <elfy> kubuntu is a different situation
[15:23] <zequence> I suppose Kubuntu has another history, back in the time when Gnome and KDE were the main competitors. Canonical maintained Gnome, while Kubuntu maintained KDE.
[15:24] <zequence> With Unity, things have changed. And Canonical is also relying less on the community.
[15:24] <zequence> Well, at least not in the same old way
[16:08] <ttoine> wait and see
[21:17] <OvenWerks> Any idea why our "make Startup Disk" App won't see mini.iso?
[22:24] <zequence> OvenWerks: No idea. If you like, use dd: dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sd*
[22:24] <zequence> replace
[22:25] <zequence> replace  * with a letter, but not with the additional partition number
[22:25] <zequence> It will wipe the whole usb device, but the ISO will only take the amount of space in one partition as it is big
[22:25] <zequence> So, you end up with some additional space
[22:25] <zequence> free space, that is


[22:22] <tsimonq2> Hm, does Launchpad have the ability to do something similar to the Debian bug tracker where on a Git commit with an LP bug number it will leave a comment or automatically link the branch to the bug?
[22:23] <tsimonq2> If not, can I add it to my growing list of Things To Implement in Launchpad after finals are over with? :)
[23:04] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: Only if there's also a merge proposal
[23:04] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git#Linking_to_bugs
[23:05] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: Doing it on just any commit is ... extremely challenging.  The Debian implementation is external and knows which branches are significant
[23:05] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: (and really there isn't just one implementation, it's ad-hoc hooks and such)
[23:08] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: What might make it extremely challenging? On the Launchpad side, couldn't a default hook be implemented to grep for the regex and then deal with the bug using the same sort of interface as implemented in merge propossals? Maybe I'm misunderstanding it here :)
[23:09] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: A commit can be in the ancestry of an arbitrarily large number of refs, and we also don't want to have to scan the entire history.
[23:10] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: Consider the case where somebody decides to push Linux to a new repository.
[23:10] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: Hm, ok.
[23:10] <tsimonq2> Oh, right.
[23:10] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: We compromised on merge proposals signalling intent and being cheap.
[23:10] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: I see, alright.
[23:11] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: Anything more would have to have some kind of arrangement where you nominate a specific branch to be watched for a specific bug target (which is really what the Debian implementation is like)
[23:11] <cjwatson> (Well, maybe or maybe not for a specific bug target, but definitely branch-limited.)
[23:11] <tsimonq2> Right, I get what you mean.
[23:12] <tsimonq2> I might just either use the Debian tooling or write my own for select Lubuntu repositories to do that then, and only *after* the initial upload would I set up the hook.
[23:12] <cjwatson> (Totally doable to do the same external thing that Debian is doing using webhooks, of course ...)
[23:12] <tsimonq2> Right :)
[23:13] <tsimonq2> Thanks cjwatson, gotta go study for my last round of finals ;)
[23:13] <cjwatson> Good luck
[23:14] <tsimonq2> Thanks


[16:16] <elsonrodriguez> Is there a way to define an environment variable in cloud-init that is visible by all child processes?
[16:24] <smoser> elsonrodriguez, no. :-(. that woudl probably be usefu,
[16:25] <elsonrodriguez> yeah :(
[16:26] <elsonrodriguez> I'm one of those dopes behind a proxy
[16:27] <elsonrodriguez> Was just making sure I wasn't lying: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1089405/comments/13
[16:42] <jfcastro> hi all! how can I configure cloud-init to using a device as swap?
[16:42] <jfcastro> I saw that openstack do it but I'm trying to do manually without luck :(
[17:35] <larsks> smoser: for testing out cloud-init, how do I tell it "just read this file, don't try to contact a data source"?  Just using --file doesn't seem to do that.  I'm looking at a solution to https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1424710
[17:41] <smatzek> larsks:  When testing cc module changes I've modified cloud.cfg to say datasource_list: ['None']
[17:41] <larsks> smatzek: that seems reasonable.  Let me give that a shot...
[17:42] <smatzek> once you do that, the semaphores you need to delete to allow things to re-run will be under  /var/lib/cloud/instances/iid-datasource-none/sem
[17:42] <larsks> That I knew.  I was just looking for something like a --datasource cli option or something.  You're idea seems to work just grand, thanks.
[21:05] <larsks> Does anyone know if a 0.7.7 release is imminent?  We are discussing cloud-init packaging in RHEL and I would hate to get things into a distribution channel just before a new version drops.