 No problem at all, and thanks! (re @mitya57: I see, but don't expect it quickly, I am overloaded again.)
 @RikMills Wanna tag-team this one? :P
 I'd help but I certainly am not in a spot where I can do it alone
 Unless of course I have time in Prague ;)
 Maybe two or three overloaded people would be better than one :P
 Let me think on that. I can and have backported existing Qt  before, but not done a new release in any way.
 I have some automation but it's not in a state that someone else can run it.
 It's been a while since I've done it, but I am able to parse automation if you're willing to hand it to me in a pm
 And most of the time is taken by manual work anyway (like figuring out why it doesn't build).
 I think we should work together on it though, I'm willing to help if I'm not the only one doing it :)
 /me more coffee
 @mitya57 Where does the build order live? I can get us started at least, and get a document going, if you don't have those already :)
 (I've tried to find it recently but am aware it was updated)
 https://qt-kde-team.pages.debian.net/images/qt5_build_deps.png
 I'll grab qtbase; we used GitLab wiki in the past as I recall?
 Feel free to grab qtbase, we can coordinate here. Also I can review before you upload it.
 Sounds good, I planned on using MPs for the first few anyway :)
 https://tracker.debian.org/news/1377490/accepted-qtbase-opensource-src-5156dfsg-3-source-into-experimental/ - was this meant to be uploaded to unstable?
 (After some testing time, of course... just looking for "what's going on" :) )
 No, I'm not sure how Qt Wayland works on GNOME, so I asked for testing in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=954781#39.
 If nobody replies, we can push it to unstable together with 5.15.7.
 By the way, Debian's release team wants me to port Qt WebEngine to Python 3. If you somehow have a lot of free time, help with that will be welcome. ArchLinux has a patch for that, we can steal it from them.
 Worth adding to the list, thanks :)
 Here is upstream version with some my comments: https://codereview.qt-project.org/c/qt/qtwebengine-chromium/+/416534.
 The comments are relevant for upstream if they want to keep support for Python 2, but less relevant for us.
 $ c++filt _ZN13QFontDatabase8findFontERK8QFontDefi
 QFontDatabase::findFont(QFontDef const&, int)
 $ c++filt _ZN13QFontDatabase8findFontERK8QFontDefib
 QFontDatabase::findFont(QFontDef const&, int, bool)
 That's really the only symbols change I'm seeing
 It's a private method, so that's fine.
 I think my local qtbase is ready for review - I'm going to put it through one more build cycle for CYA - copyright updates made are already reflected in our copyright file (the tri-licensing for libjpeg), and symbols seem kosher. I worry about non-standard arches, but that will come with time once this hits experimental...
 (Last build took 47 minutes, I'll submit an MP within 2 hours from now...)
 I will probably be sleeping, will review tomorrow.
 https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/qt/qtbase/-/merge_requests/32
 I intentionally left out the final changelog commit, saving that for uploading


[03:17] <rhansen_> Is it possible to create a daily build recipe that works with a git-buildpackage repository containing a pristine-tar branch?
[03:18] <rhansen_> When I try, the pristine-tar is reconstituted and all of the daily changes that are merged in result in "dpkg-source: error: aborting due to unexpected upstream changes"
[03:18] <rhansen_> Specific example: https://code.launchpad.net/~ddclient/+archive/ubuntu/daily/+recipebuild/2606368
[07:13] <ilasc> rhansen: I've seen your question no. 691830, we will try to get you an answer there


[16:38] <ikt> http://blog.indiegogo.com/2013/07/ubuntu-edge-campaign-smashes-indiegogo-records.html
[16:38] <ikt> Top 20 Countries by Contribution:
[16:38] <ikt> 5. Australia
[16:39] <ikt> we must have a super strong community out there
[16:39] <ikt> somewhere...
[22:43] <jared> ikt: we're actually quite a big user and contributer. It's just it's so "normal" that people aren't interested too much in promotion.


[02:38] <semitones> Hey something's wrong with my IRC and I'm not seeing the scrollback
[02:39] <semitones> Hey I'm trying to install lubuntu 20.04.2 while I go to work. But the installer is stuck at 15% "Filling up filesystem", and I keep getting popups of "removable driver inserted, choose what to do"
[18:15] <Guest33641> foo° ¶
[18:18] <lubuntu_> Huh... I can't type parentheses in Quassel.
[18:19] <KGIII> I can type 'em just fine in Pidgin. ()
[18:20] <kc2bez> I think they work for my quassel (_)
[18:21] <lubuntu_> Not here they don't. It's in a VM, though I don't think that should impact it. Others work. *&$^#
[18:21] <lubuntu_> This is KGIII - I'm testing today's build, by the way.
[18:22] <kc2bez> Sometimes the VM Host grabs certain keys.
[18:23] <lubuntu_> That seems to be the case. As you were typing that I decided to check. I can't type them elsewhere.
[18:23] <lubuntu_> That solves that!
[18:23] <kc2bez> Happy to help
[18:24] <KGIII> LOL Thanks.
[18:24] <KGIII> I am surprised that I'd not tried to type them sooner in my daily testing.
[18:24]  * KGIII goes back to testing
 @kc2bez Dan - I am ready to test yr min install..
 What exactly do I need to do to get started?
 Boot the iso, add my PPA that is linked and then update calamares-settings-ubuntu
 Ok ..will give it a try ..and get back to you
 Ok thanks.
 @kc2bez the GPG key is not found when I add the repo..
 Try adding it again
 yep..worked and to update the calamares-settings?
 Yup
 do i have to manually update them?
 sudo apt update && sudo apt install calamares-settings-lubuntu should update it.
 ok hang on
 all good — will install and let you know outcome
 Thanks!
 Looks good...up and running - will play a bit with it and give a few comments on Phab
 Excellent.
 Its evening here - test more in the a.m.
[21:57] <seeh> i i am new with IRC. i searching the #0ad-dev channel. i probably in the wrong server. could you help me? ( http://irclogs.wfg.zaynar.co.uk/2016-03/2016-03-13-QuakeNet-%230ad-dev.log )
[22:00] <seeh> they give me #0ad-dev . is that enoufgh to find the room? i found such a room. but nobody in
[22:01] <wxl> seeh: that's quakenet, another server
[22:01] <wxl> more info about it here https://www.quakenet.org/
[22:03] <wxl> well, it's fixed
[22:03] <wxl> oops
[22:03] <seeh> thank :)


[01:13] <MutantTurkey> english paper, a "how to paper"
[01:13] <MutantTurkey> with any topic allowed
[01:13] <MutantTurkey> "how to berate your 2nd grade substitute teacher"
[01:13] <MutantTurkey> I need your help #ubuntu-us-pa! what was your most evil bastardly plan?
[01:13] <MutantTurkey> thats you jedijf
[01:17] <ChinnoDog> hmm
[01:18] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey: Why would you want to berate your 2nd grade substitute teacher?
[01:19] <ChinnoDog> do 2nd graders even know what that word means?
[01:20] <MutantTurkey> SHHH
[01:20] <MutantTurkey> this is supposed to be a ironic thing
[01:21] <ChinnoDog> Do the 2nd graders learn what "berate" means in this how to paper?
[01:21] <rmg51> how to install Ubuntu and change to another desktop manager
[01:22] <MutantTurkey> rmg51: that is trivial I need to fill 1000 words
[01:22] <MutantTurkey> rmg51: also my professor is 75+ years old and doesnt have a cell phone
[01:22] <MutantTurkey> :/
[01:22] <ChinnoDog> How to use a cell phone.
[01:22] <MutantTurkey> really good guy though, I love his class.
[01:22] <MutantTurkey> "why to get a cell phone, the inside story"
[01:22] <MutantTurkey> I was thinking I should just go into PR or journalism.
[01:23] <MutantTurkey> I am a good writer.
[01:23] <rmg51> why I hate Unity ;-)
[01:23] <rmg51> or in your case how to hate Unity
[01:24] <MutantTurkey> why unity has killed any chance for the linux desktop to be succesful in real worl applications.
[01:24] <rmg51> and Gnome3
[01:24] <MutantTurkey> "why tablet devices are NOT the future for productivity"
[01:24] <ChinnoDog> I think we are straying from the how-to part of this paper.
[01:24] <MutantTurkey> "how 4g celphones have destroyed productivity in office spaces"
[01:24] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey: What other key skills could he use?
[01:24] <rmg51> how to survive Unity
[01:24] <rmg51> and Gnome3
[01:24] <MutantTurkey> pffft
[01:25] <rmg51> how to get out of writing a how to paper
[01:26] <ChinnoDog> I like that one
[01:26] <ChinnoDog> Step 1. come up with a redundant BS topic like "how to get out of writing a how to paper"
[01:26] <InHisName> nuthin' for loooong while then BAM lotta talkin' !!
[01:26] <MutantTurkey> yeah
[01:27] <MutantTurkey> he already said that
[01:28] <andrew> http://camelegg.com/product/N82E16822136284
[01:29] <rmg51> how to select a Republican candidate
[01:30] <MutantTurkey> :x
[01:30] <MutantTurkey>  how to vote independant and stop being brainwashed by corporate committees
[01:31] <MutantTurkey> :)
[01:32] <InHisName> How to STOP greedy corporate CEOs etc from raping and pillaging the world economies.
[01:32] <rmg51> how to figure out what andrew is talking about
[01:33] <InHisName> "hard drive price changes, tracked"
[01:35] <rmg51> how to figure out how to stop this sillyness and get some sleep
[01:35] <InHisName> rmg51: easy just stop reading your silly monitor and shut 'ur eyes.
[01:39] <MutantTurkey> how to write papers 12 hours before they are due - a life story.
[02:00] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey: I like that subject. You could be all dramatic abou tit.
[02:00] <ChinnoDog> about it
[02:05] <EvilResistance> lolololololol
[02:11] <waltman> It feels later than 9:11
[02:22] <sadin> ChinnoDog thats a dirty word for iRC :P
[02:23] <ChinnoDog> sadin: :-p
[03:32] <EvilResistance> anyone know of any PA-based apt repositories for Ubuntu?
[03:39] <waltman> Looking at the list of mirrors, I'd say "Carnegie Mellon Computer Club", and possibly "pair Networks" as well.
[03:39] <waltman> Why does it have to be in PA? Depending on where you are in PA, the ones in DC and NYC might well be physically closer.
[03:41] <EvilResistance> i'm almost certain PSU has a mirror
[03:41]  * EvilResistance is out in Harrisburg
[03:41] <EvilResistance> i'm just not certain if ithey have a mirror for Ubuntu
[03:41] <EvilResistance> i know they have one for Debian
[03:41] <EvilResistance> i was going to email their help desk (I'm a student at PSU) asking about that
[03:42] <EvilResistance> btw, what "list of mirrors" is this you speak of?
[03:42] <EvilResistance> waltman:  ^
[03:44] <waltman> The one I found when I googled for "ubuntu mirrors" :)
[03:44] <waltman> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[03:45] <waltman> Unless you've got a mirror in your local net, I don't really see why it would make any difference.
[07:10] <andrew> rmg51: hrm?
[07:10] <andrew> night all
[10:33] <JonathanD> morning.
[11:10] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[11:14] <JonathanD> hey
[11:16] <rmg511> o/
[11:33] <waltman> Morning.
[13:00] <teddy-dbear> morning
[13:42] <ChinnoDog> hi ssweeny
[14:28] <InHisName> Good MONDAY morning to you all !
[14:46] <ChinnoDog> sup
[14:46] <ChinnoDog> hi lamalex
[18:55] <MobileTurkey> this wifi is making me cringe
[18:55] <MobileTurkey> almost making me consider it is my laptop
[20:36] <InHisName> my wifi seems to be working fine for me, then I'm not a turkey either.


[06:03] <impeldown> Hello
[09:43] <EventHandler> Having problem with sounds when logging out then logging in, am I the only one experience this?
[09:44] <EventHandler> tao po? :)


[13:22] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: When do/should cloud-init bugs get marked as Fix Released in the cloud-init LP project?
[13:23] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, i do it with release of the bug in a version.
[13:23] <smoser> ie, when 0.7.6 releases all those go to fix-released.
[13:23] <smoser> and ubuntu fix-released when ubuntu gets fixed.
[13:24] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Cool, so I don't need to pay attention and do the marking myself when appropriate?
[13:24] <smoser> well, it wouldn't hurt :)
[13:24] <smoser> its a pain
[15:17] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: What are your thoughts on https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1403617 ?
[15:18] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: My comment lays out the decision we need to make.
[15:21] <smoser> how do we not match with roject level keys now ?
[15:22] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, ie "we already don't match the GCE docs in the way we handle project-level keys so this may be a foolish consistency."
[15:23] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: I _think_ that we put all of the keys on the ubuntu user, even when they're defined against different users.
[15:23] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: But I may not be recalling that correctly.
[15:25] <smoser> how do they get defined for different users ?
[15:25] <smoser> we do put them on the ubuntu user for user.
[15:25] <smoser> sure
[15:28] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Keys come from GCE as a list of "<user>:<key>" strings.
[15:28] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Which GCE infers from the comment (e.g. "... dwatkins" will come as "dwatkins:...") in the user interface.
[15:29] <Odd_Bloke> But you just pass in a mapping to the instance creation API.
[15:30] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: We then trim the first half off before setting 'public-keys' in self.metadata (using the _trim_key function).
[15:30] <smoser> ah. i see.
[15:31] <smoser> i think you should override the per-project keys with per-instance if available.
[15:31] <Odd_Bloke> So if I defined {'dwatkins': 'ssh-rsa foo', 'smoser': 'ssh-rsa bar'}, we'd get both 'ssh-rsa foo' and 'ssh-rsa bar' on the ubuntu user.
[15:31] <Odd_Bloke> (And the Google scripts would create dwatkins and smoser users with the appropriate keys)
[15:31] <smoser> can we know the difference between "no instance keys given" and "instance keys given as empty string"
[15:31] <smoser> with the latter implying intent to have no ssh access
[15:32] <Odd_Bloke> I'll have a look; I _suspect_ not, but I'll confirm.
[15:35] <Odd_Bloke> Ah, we can; sshKeys is passed as a normal metadata attribute, and so if none are specified then the key isn't present.
[15:35] <Odd_Bloke> Let me confirm that the web UI behaves the same as the CLI client.
[15:37] <smoser> i'd just like to support that behavior
[15:38] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, so my general feeling here is that it makes sense to try to do what the cloud vendor wants.
[15:38] <smoser> however, i'm *more* interested in consistency of ubuntu across vendors
[15:38] <smoser> than i am in ubuntu's consistency with other vms on a given vendor
[15:38] <smoser> make sense?
[15:39] <smoser> i care more about ubuntu than i do GCE
[15:39] <Odd_Bloke> Yep, on the same page.
[15:40] <Odd_Bloke> So you're saying you think that 'empty instance keys' is approximately equal to (e.g.) no key given when starting an EC2 instance?
[15:42] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, yeah.
[15:42] <smoser> i think so. right ?
[15:43] <smoser> that could be achieved easily ehought though, by creating a key named "NOONE@NOWHERE"
[15:44] <smoser> and promptly shredding the private key
[15:46] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah.
[15:46] <Odd_Bloke> Let me see what GCE does if I manually set an empty string through the API.


[00:37] <ikonia> what a surprise thesarge is back
[00:38] <PublicStaticVoid> Hello, as you all know I have been helping people in #ubuntu and contributing to the project with donations and code contribs for years
[00:38] <PublicStaticVoid> And I am very unsatidfied with your decsion to make ikonia an op, as he likes to abuse his power and break more rules than he enforces.
[00:39] <PublicStaticVoid> Just thought id let you know before I got a hold of my Cannoical friends.
[00:39] <PublicStaticVoid> Thanks.
[00:39] <tsimpson> Canonical have no say over how the IRC channels are run
[00:40] <tsimpson> the correct thing to do would be to discuss it, here
[00:43] <PublicStaticVoid> That will do no good you are all friends
[00:43] <hggdh> PublicStaticVoid: so why do you say ikonia has been abusing his power?
[00:43] <PublicStaticVoid> and you'd be suprised what kind of pull Canonical has :)
[00:43] <PublicStaticVoid> It is being handled, no worries.
[00:44] <hggdh> PublicStaticVoid: please do not even bother to threaten; instead tell us what happened
[00:44] <PublicStaticVoid> I am not threatening, just letting you know what actions I have taken.
[00:45] <PublicStaticVoid> And discusing it here never ha done anyone any good as you always take eachothers side.
[00:45] <LjL> PublicStaticVoid: have you been helping for years under another nickname? because this one doesn't ring a bell for me
[00:46] <hggdh> PublicStaticVoid: as you wish. Your chance of explaining what happened/happens/will happen is still up.
[00:46] <PublicStaticVoid> Just know my copropration will seize all further donations to your project, you guys won't mind but Canonical will.
[00:46] <LjL> that's good because Canonical kinds of rubs me the wrong way
[00:46] <LjL> but that was another threat, so
[00:46] <PublicStaticVoid> You can see what happened as easily as I can tell you
[00:47] <LjL> can't be bothered with bullies
[00:47] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops PublicStaticVoid Clearly joining without an intent to solve the issue, instead issuing threats after asked not to
[00:47] <hggdh> pitty. I wanted to know what project is it that will lose all donations.
[00:48] <ikonia> it's made up project number 11 from made up corperation after his made up help
[00:48] <hggdh> heh
[00:54] <PublicStaticVoid> I like how you mock me after I leave
[00:54] <PublicStaticVoid> Nothing was made up
[00:54] <PublicStaticVoid> But that is fine.
[00:54] <Pici> Is there something we can help you with right now?
[00:54] <tsimpson> PublicStaticVoid: if you don't want to discuss what happened, why are you here?
[00:55] <PublicStaticVoid> As I was saying, you can see what happened as you were there as well. So go ahead read it and give me your verdict...
[00:55] <hggdh> PublicStaticVoid: you still has not given us any data
[00:55] <PublicStaticVoid> You were all in the channel
[00:55] <PublicStaticVoid> Go lok and see
[00:56] <hggdh> being in the channel is not the same as *following* the channel. Please summarise what happened in your view
[00:56] <tsimpson> I can see what happened
[00:56] <LjL> actually i'm not in the channel
[00:56] <PublicStaticVoid> I can tell by how you talked after you booted me that you are all friends and I have no chance of getting Ikonia in any trouble for his obvious abuse.
[00:56] <LjL> i could wait for logs to be updated
[00:56] <LjL> but logs only update on the hour
[00:56] <LjL> so i'm actually curious how you got the ones for this channel
[00:56] <tsimpson> you were asked to not use a specific term, you refused
[00:56] <LjL> since it's not o'clock yet
[00:56] <PublicStaticVoid> Just curious on how long this rediculous ban is supposed to last
[00:56] <tsimpson> until you resolve it
[00:56] <PublicStaticVoid> A lil birdie told me
[00:56] <PublicStaticVoid> Resolve what?
[00:57] <PublicStaticVoid> He said I was off topic and booted me for it.
[00:57] <PublicStaticVoid> so how long is the ban for.
[00:57] <PublicStaticVoid> Well?
[00:58] <tsimpson> bans do not have a fixed length, if you want it removed you need to be willing to discuss it
[00:58] <PublicStaticVoid> Fine, I was off-topic.
[00:58] <PublicStaticVoid> Sorry.
[00:58] <PublicStaticVoid> How lang am I banned?
[00:58] <PublicStaticVoid> long*
[00:59] <PublicStaticVoid> Please show me this policy where all bans are only remoed after discussin them instead of a fixed length like they always have been, please.
[01:00] <tsimpson> they have never been fixed length
[01:01] <LjL> PublicStaticVoid: please show me the policy where they aren't
[01:01] <PublicStaticVoid> I have sen many people banned for fixed lengths
[01:02] <PublicStaticVoid> So again, show me this policy.
[01:02] <LjL> only if you make me a sandwitch
[01:02] <PublicStaticVoid> Very professional.
[01:03] <LjL> you too
[01:03] <PublicStaticVoid> Will you please tell when you are removing the ban.
[01:03] <tsimpson> bans have never been fixed length, so you're wrong about that
[01:03] <hggdh> PublicStaticVoid: the issue at hand is not how long will the ban be in place, but *why* were you banned
[01:04] <PublicStaticVoid> Because I proceeeded to help a fellow Ubuntu user with an issue when not a single sole was using the channel for anything topic worthy.
[01:04] <PublicStaticVoid> And I did not listen to the op who asked me to stop.
[01:04] <tsimpson> the ban will not be removed until you can convince us that you know why action was taken against you and that you're not going to repeat the behaviour that caused that action to be taken
[01:04] <PublicStaticVoid> And that's fine, your decision.
[01:04] <tsimpson> your current attitude doesn't convince me
[01:04] <PublicStaticVoid> I told you why I was banned and told you I will stay on topic.
[01:05] <PublicStaticVoid> Not sure how my attitude is so well reflected through text.
[01:05] <ikonia> you where not banned because of being offtopic
[01:05] <ikonia> I asked you to be on topic - not a problem, your attitude is why you where banned
[01:05] <PublicStaticVoid> Okay, I will just use another Account, I could care less I have 20.
[01:05] <ikonia> everyone slips offtopic, your attitude is what got you banned
[01:05] <PublicStaticVoid> Thnaks.
[01:05] <ikonia> to clarify
[01:06] <tsimpson> trying to threaten us/canonical come across quite well in text actually
[01:06] <PublicStaticVoid> Fucking retards with no friends, get a little power in a chat room and feel special. Really need to seek help or get out more.
[01:06] <PublicStaticVoid> That wasn't a threat
[01:06] <PublicStaticVoid> I simply informed you I emailed my friends there.
[01:06] <tsimpson> your attitude seems well reflected in that text
[01:06] <PublicStaticVoid> If it has any affect here or not, I do not know
[01:07] <ikonia> "look what happens you'll see
[01:07] <ikonia> "my funding will stop"
[01:07] <PublicStaticVoid> And I do work for Oracle Inc. and was responsible for the last 3 Donations.
[01:07] <ikonia> thats threats
[01:07] <PublicStaticVoid> And I will make sure there are no more and that Canonical knows why.
[01:07] <tsimpson> what you do with money you control is up to you
[01:07] <LjL> hey guys
[01:08] <LjL> do you mind if i override this?
[01:08] <LjL> no? okay
[01:08] <hggdh> So you think that threatening Canonical will make us relent? This actually sounds bad for you
[01:08] <AlanBell> yeah, I think we are about done here
[01:08] <ikonia> well as I'm onsite at Oracle tomorrow, I'll see if I can drop him an email
[04:32] <Go|dfish_> hi
[04:32] <Go|dfish_> !ops
[04:32] <Go|dfish_> wooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[04:32] <Go|dfish_> ljl why ljl why
[19:14] <LjL> topyli is all leavyjoiny these days
[19:14]  * LjL doesn't get it
[19:16] <IdleOne> he loves us but so much to stay with us
[19:17] <IdleOne> makes me cry a little
[23:52] <k1l> @mark #ubuntu g0twig making again comments and falls assumptions on the user privacy of ubuntu


[12:15] <Nafallo> hehe. I didn't repeat. I SAID it ;-)
[12:16] <Nafallo> been active in -bugs and -motu. and I read feisty-changes, and I've seen him there :-)
[12:17] <sabdf1> elmo, mako?
[12:17] <elmo> +1
[12:18] <mako> yes, definitel ya +1 form me
[12:18] <sabdfl> welcome aboard, ScottK!
[12:18] <ScottK> Thank you everyone.
[12:18] <Nafallo> YAY!
[12:18] <sabdfl> bkingx: you're up!
[12:18] <bkingx> My name is Brian King. I have been advocating Ubuntu since the day I started using it in December of 2006. Before that I was a Yellowdog user. I am a co-founder and a team leader for the Kentucky Team. My Ubuntu pages are https://launchpad.net/~brianking and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/brianking.
[12:18] <etank> wooo bkingx
[12:18] <ranf_> nick ranf
[12:19] <Seveas> mako, did you +1/0/-1 for kkubasik already?
[12:19] <kkubasik> https://launchpad.net/~kkubasik
[12:19] <kkubasik> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KevinKubasik
[12:19] <mako> yes, i know
[12:19] <mako> i just haven't had a chance yet
[12:19] <Seveas> ok, no sweat
[12:20] <Seveas> was looking at other laptop for a bit and thought I missed it :)
[12:20] <sabdfl> bkingx: from LP it looks like advocacy / Loco work is your primary focus?
[12:20] <bkingx> Correct
[12:20] <bkingx> Making bog moves in the Kentucky Team
[12:20] <atoponce> i'm here cheering for bkingx++. he's helped start the kentucky team, which has been a great team. lots of loco advocacy, online in irc a lot, and really pushing the envelope in what ideas can be presenting in spreading ubuntu locally
[12:20] <sabdfl> when did you become active in this regard?
[12:20] <zenwhen> bkingx has my +1. hes's a sharp guy and very valuable to the ky loco team.
[12:21] <bkingx> sabdfl:  January, when the KY Team was founded.
[12:21] <atoponce> he's another valuable asset, that i plan on using for the US Teams Project in mentoring other loco state teams to get approved
[12:21] <zenwhen> we met the other day to hand out flyers for our install fest. struck me as very professional and committed to ubuntu.
[12:21] <bkingx> ty guys!
[12:22] <micahcowan> Folks, my 2-month-old is hungry and my wife is out; if I'm still feeding her at my turn I may ask that you kick me down the queue a bit.
[12:22] <Seveas> micahcowan, noted
[12:22] <etank> bkingx has been one of the driving forces for the Kentucky Team. Lots of great ideas coming from him.
[12:23] <sabdfl> ok, +1 from me for bkingx on the back of strong advocacy and loco leadership over 3+ months
[12:23] <Seveas> nice
[12:23] <bkingx> ty sabdfl
[12:23] <Seveas> micahcowan, just poke when you're back. Until you poke we'll pick others :)
[12:24] <micahcowan> Ok.  She can wait a few minutes for her bottle :)
[12:25] <sabdfl> elmo, mako?
[12:25] <bkingx> ty mako
[12:25] <mako> +1 from me
[12:25] <elmo> +1
[12:25] <Seveas> nice!
[12:25] <Seveas> congrats
[12:26] <Seveas> emonkey, you're up
[12:26] <emonkey> First, I've updated just my launchpad page from ~ubuntu-de to ~emonkey and I don't dare to edit de CC agenda wikipage during the meeting so there is the old link. Sorry for that.
[12:26] <zenwhen> good times!
[12:26] <micahcowan> wife's back, I'm good
[12:26] <atoponce> bkingx: congrats!
 Hi! - I am Sputnik from the german kubuntu-community. Before I have to leave now I would like to promote candidate emonkey today who is on the list later. Emonkey has done a good job so far for the community here around and I trust his actvities.
[12:26] <bkingx> Thank you all!!
[12:26] <emonkey> I'm a 23 years aged system engineer who works in an assurance company and will start to study information technology at an university of applied sciences in zurich.'m part of the KubuntuGermanTeam and the Ubuntu SwissTeam. The next activity we do is the ../SwissTeam/ReleasePartyFeisty in Zurich] . I'll be at the Kubuntu booth on the LinuxTag in Berlin. Warty was my first Distro which has freed me from windows and it was
[12:26] <emonkey> my start in contributing to the growing community. Unfortunately my english isn't the best so the biggest part of my activities are in communities which are speaking my native language.
[12:26] <emonkey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Emonkey
[12:26] <emonkey> https://launchpad.net/~emonkey
[12:26] <Seveas> are there other german/swiss people to cheer for emonkey ?
[12:26] <mindspin> yup
[12:26] <netztier> I am
[12:26] <neversfelde> yes
[12:27] <Seveas> then cheer!
[12:27] <txwikinger> yes
[12:27] <blizzzek> yes
[12:27] <Seveas> tell us about emonkey
[12:27] <netztier> the guy is in for the release party even if exams are eating him alive :-)
[12:27] <Monika|K> +1 for emonkey
[12:27] <neversfelde> emonkey is an absolute essential member of the german kubuntu community. Without his encouragement there would be no german speaking kubuntu forum anymore.
[12:27] <Monika|K> without him we would be nothing
[12:27] <Monika|K> he administrates the server and the forum
[12:27] <Monika|K> kubuntu-de.org that is
[12:27] <mindspin> I 'll agree with neversfelde he pointed it out
[12:27] <emonkey> thx all
[12:27] <emonkey> you're great
[12:28] <blizzzek> me as well, neversfelde said it as it is
[12:28] <Seveas> emonkey, how's the interaction between the german kubuntu and ubuntu team coming along?
[12:28] <txwikinger> s/agress/agrees/
[12:28] <mindspin> btw. hes not only a hard worker but a real ubuntero
[12:29] <sabdfl> emonkey: did you do any iso testing of feisty RC?
[12:29] <emonkey> Seveas, primary on expos atm
[12:29] <emonkey> sabdfl, I tryed and will do more in for that for gutsy
[12:29] <mako> your release party looks fun :)
[12:29] <sabdfl> cool
[12:29] <emonkey> Unfortunately there are some importent exams right now
[12:30] <Seveas> pips1, very, very bad pun :p
[12:30] <mako> can you provide a link to your contributions in the forums?
[12:30] <emonkey> http://forum.kubuntu-de.org/index.php?action=profile (only in german)
[12:30] <Monika|K> Since emonkey took over the administration of the German Kubuntu site, there is plenty of communication between us and the German Ubuntu team and ubuntuusers.de
[12:30] <emonkey> 2414 posts
[12:30] <mindspin> in german ;-)
[12:30] <Monika|K> s/and/at
[12:30] <sabdfl> that's very very good news
[12:31] <pips1> Seveas: heh
[12:31] <Seveas> indeed
[12:31] <sabdfl> +1 from me, on the basis of leadership in getting ubuntu and kubuntu teams coordinated and in sync
[12:31] <mindspin> the relationship between us is on a very good way
[12:31] <Monika|K> We have IRC meetings with them and worked together on the Linuxtag in Chemnitz (an Expo)
[12:31] <sabdfl>  				Dieses Mitglied ist nicht vorhanden. Das Profil kann nicht editiert werden.
[12:32] <emonkey> sabdfl, sorry my fault, just a secone
[12:32] <mindspin> sabdfl: you're quick in picking up german
[12:32] <sabdfl> elmo, mako?
[12:32] <emonkey> s/secone/second/
[12:32] <mako> emonkey: no... that link only works if you are logged in AS YOU :)
[12:32] <emonkey> mako, yes sorry one mom
[12:32] <mako> but anyway, +1 on the basis of the very serious forums work
[12:32] <emonkey> http://forum.kubuntu-de.org/index.php?action=profile;u=28
[12:32] <neversfelde> should be http://forum.kubuntu-de.org/index.php?action=profile;u=28
[12:33] <mako> emonkey: i know this has been brought up before
[12:33] <elmo> +1
[12:33] <sabdfl> lots and lots o' coffee there :-)
[12:33] <Seveas> Netzaffe :)
[12:33] <mako> but if you haven't, you should talk to MikeB- or someone else from the official forums
[12:33] <emonkey> :)
[12:33] <Seveas> emonkey, Gutsy Netzaffe? ;)
[12:34] <Seveas> anyway, congratz and welcome!
[12:34] <mako> the idea isn't necessary to merge them (although as a long term goal, that would be great) but to provide links to provide prominent links to each other
[12:34] <Seveas> micahcowan, you're up
[12:34] <micahcowan> Well, I've been active since June last year, mostly in bug triaging and bug fixing. I also do support via IRC when I have the time to spare. I love Ubuntu, and it's really kicked a community-involvement thing into me: didn't used to really get involved in fixing bugs I encountered; now I'm quick to join up on bug mailing lists so I can work with upstream when appropriate. :) [wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MicahCowan]  [LP: https://launchpad.net/
[12:34] <micahcowan> ~micah-cowan/]
[12:34] <emonkey> :9 yes I was vera pleased to hear the new codename :)
[12:34] <micahcowan> I don't have a posse, but, I think some of the folks here may have encountered enough of my work to give a recommendation. Actually, that's what I was talking about with mako and jono: to see if I should consider applying if I don't have a fanclub (http://micah.cowan.name/jono-mail.txt).
[12:34] <emonkey> thx all
[12:34] <micahcowan> congratz emonkey :)
[12:35] <micahcowan> Oh yeah, LaserJock said he might throw in if he was still around :)
[12:35] <micahcowan> heh
[12:36] <elmo> "written in PostScript" ...
[12:36] <mako> MikeB-, emonkey: it might be useful to work with a bunch of people to create a drop-down menu and an image or someting that you can put in the header of all of the different fora that link to the other ones.. so if you want a particular language/subtopic/loco, you can at least see what's available
[12:36] <micahcowan> PostScript so rox. It's so underrated.
[12:36] <emonkey> mako, I'll note that
[12:36] <emonkey> thx for hint
[12:36] <Seveas> micahcowan, you write raw postscript by hand?
[12:36] <sabdfl> micahcowan: have you had good experiences coordinating between the distro and upstream?
[12:36] <MikeB-> mako: we are discussing that
[12:37] <micahcowan> Seveas, yeah; it's actually just a programming language, more or less like any other (except it's heavily stack based and... cool).
[12:37] <Seveas> O_o
[12:37] <Seveas> Don't know whether I'm scared or impressed now
[12:37] <sabdfl> isn't it some lithp / thcheme variant?
[12:37] <micahcowan> sabdfl, yes, as in the experiences have been good. "good" as in plenty of experience? I dunno, it's a somewhat recent (but fairly active) thing.
[12:37] <mako> MikeB-: i konw i've talked to some people about before, just thought i would poke it again :)
[12:37] <sabdfl> positive, is what i meant :-)
[12:37] <micahcowan> No, it's... probably closer to Perl/Python, really, but the syntax is quite different.
[12:38] <micahcowan> sabdfl, so far, more than I expected. Especially my (brief) encounter on the kernel dev list
[12:38] <sabdfl> cool
[12:38] <Seveas> http://micah.cowan.name/svn/ps-maze/maze.ps?view=markup
[12:39] <Seveas> yup, I'm scared
[12:39] <micahcowan> Seveas, it's kind of a reverse-polish notation language. You end up thinking backwards a lot: you don't "call" with "arguments"; you explicitly place 'em on the stack, and then just invoke the routine :)
[12:40] <micahcowan> heh
[12:40] <Seveas> micahcowan, I love rpn :)
[12:40] <sabdfl> ok, +1 from me based on duration of contribution, and support from all and sundry
[12:40] <micahcowan> Seveas, then you should /really/ check out Adobe's PLRM (PostScript spec). I think you'd enjoy it.
[12:40] <mako> i don't get your [+]  and [d]  notation :)
[12:40] <mako> at all
[12:40] <mako> but i like the fact that you're submitting and patching bugs :)
[12:41] <micahcowan> mako, sorry: + means I submitted the bug (IIRC), and (d) means I supplied a diff.
[12:41] <mako> d == diff, ok
[12:41] <mako> yes, this all looks great
[12:41] <mako> micahcowan: thanks for your contributions, i agree with jono, +1 from me
[12:42] <micahcowan> :) thanks
[12:42] <Seveas> elmo, ?
[12:42] <mako> micahcowan: your wiki page is quite good. thanks for putting the effort into it
[12:42] <micahcowan> yw. ...I knew if I didn't start in on it from the very beginning, it'd be pure crap when I finally actually needed it...
[12:42] <elmo> +1
[12:43] <Seveas> micahcowan, welcome aboard!
[12:43] <Seveas> yeager, you're next (and last)
[12:43] <micahcowan> Yay! :D
[12:43] <yeager> I'm 32 years old, living in Stockholm, Sweden. My work for Ubuntu is mainly about Swedish translations but also support for ubuntu-se, creating localized Ubuntu CDs for Nordic languages, filing bug reports. I work in the IT Security sector and have been using Linux since version 0.99pl15, Debian since 1997 and Ubuntu since 2004.
[12:43] <yeager> Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~yeager/
[12:43] <yeager> Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/yeager
[12:43] <yeager> elmo: hi there! long time no see :)
[12:43] <Nafallo> 2004 was Warty :-)
[12:44] <sabdfl> yeager: how can we improve collaboration between debian and ubuntu translators?
[12:44] <Seveas> May I emphasize this:
[12:44] <Seveas> Karma:  32330
[12:44] <ubuntugeek>  /wave
[12:44] <Seveas> 32-f-ing-thousand!
[12:44] <micahcowan> :)
[12:44] <Nafallo> sabdfl: in Swedish we do good. yeager translates _everything_ ;-)
[12:44] <sabdfl> nice :-)
[12:45] <sabdfl> it's pretty clearly +1 from me on the back of the scale of your contribution :-)
[12:45] <yeager> sabdfl: debian is putting up a translation service based on Pootle. things are still a bit early to say
[12:45] <sabdfl> but i'd like to hear your thoughts on how we make things better
[12:46] <sabdfl> i hope that works out well
[12:46] <sabdfl> ok, definite +1 from me based on huge l10n contribution
[12:47] <Seveas> you said that alrady :)
[12:47] <imbrandon> re
[12:47] <yeager> sabdfl: debian translators are looking forward to new technologies, such as web-based translation services like Rosetta. The Swedish translation team for Debian is, well, me. I do involve myself in debian-l10n and read their mailing list on a daily basis
[12:48] <sabdfl> mako, elmo?
[12:48] <yeager> many of the Debian translators are also part of other teams like GNOME and KDE
[12:48] <mako> hold up.. still looking this over
[12:48] <Nafallo> he have helped me and ozamosi a far amount when we've tried translating :-)
[12:49] <yeager> Nafallo: you need to work on your Swedish grammar :)
[12:49] <Nafallo> yeager: indeed. but you keep showing me how :-)
[12:49] <sabdfl> https://answers.launchpad.net/~alanpope/
[12:49] <sabdfl> wow
[12:49] <sabdfl> i love exploring
[12:50] <mako> easy +1 from me
[12:50] <mako> loads of translations work
[12:50] <mako> pretty staggering actually
[12:50] <elmo> yeah, +1
[12:50] <mako> yeager: thanks! :)
[12:50] <Seveas> yeager, welcome aboard :)
[12:50] <sabdfl> alrighty then!
[12:50] <Nafallo> YAY!
[12:50] <yeager> thanks, guys
[12:50] <ozamosi> Woho! :D
[12:50] <sabdfl> Seveas: thanks once again for steering us along
[12:51] <Seveas> datetime of next meeting: may 1st 13:00 UTC?
[12:51] <elmo> I'm travelling then
[12:51] <yeager> elmo: say hi to the nocrew guys next time you meet them
[12:51] <mindspin> may first is not working class friendly ;-)
[12:51] <Seveas> ok
[12:51] <mako> alright then!
[12:51] <sabdfl> i'm on the road then, too
[12:52] <Seveas> we could skip a meeting and give the new CC members a good amount of work on their first meeting :)
[12:52] <elmo> yeager: heh, will do
[12:52] <Seveas> or is allhands in the way there? (would be the week after uds)
[12:52] <mindspin> hehe
[12:52] <MikeB-> Seveas: don't be evil :)
[12:52] <sabdfl> well done all
[12:52] <sabdfl> Seveas: allhands is in november
[12:52] <sabdfl> only once a year :-(
[12:52] <Seveas> hehe
[12:53] <ScottK> Thanks again everyone.
[12:53] <micahcowan> Ditto :)
[12:53] <elmo> Seveas: have you been doing LP?
[12:53] <Seveas> so may 16, 13:00?
[12:53] <Seveas> elmo, will do later
[12:53] <elmo> Seveas: ah, ok
[12:53] <Seveas> including votes
[12:53] <elmo> may 16th is ok for me, AFAIK, it's after UDS at least
[12:53] <sabdfl> 279 members
[12:53] <sabdfl> may 1 is a long time away!
[12:53] <sabdfl> sorry, 16th
[12:53] <Seveas> some members will expire in may
[12:54] <Seveas> I already mailed them
[12:54] <sabdfl> we need to get the delegated membership thing going
[12:54] <sabdfl> night all
[12:54] <mindspin> night
[12:54] <Seveas> sabdfl, many of the people who are now direct member will be delegated members in a few months :)
[12:55] <Seveas> g'night all, have to get up in 6 hours so I'm out
[12:55] <ubuntugeek> sorry this is late, do i need to get reapproved or anything to use ubuntuforums.org?
[12:56] <Seveas> ubuntugeek, you mean wrt trademarks?
[12:56] <ubuntugeek> yep
[12:57] <Seveas> ubuntugeek, I don't think mark is stupid enough to try to force you to rename ubuntuforums.org :)
[12:57] <mako> sabdfl: night
[12:58] <sabdfl> ubuntugeek: any existing trademark license you've arranged with silbs will continue
[12:58] <Nafallo> lol
[12:58] <sabdfl> night all
[12:58] <mako> ubuntugeek: it's an official part of ubuntu
[12:58] <ubuntugeek> ok :) just wanted to make sure
[12:58] <mako> permission is necessary when people that are not ubuntu want to call their thing ubuntu
[12:58] <ubuntugeek> whats silbs?
[12:58] <LaserJock> funnyafricannameforums.org?
[12:58] <Seveas> ubuntugeek, Jane Silber
[12:58] <joejaxx> LaserJock: lol
[12:58] <ubuntugeek> Ah ok
[12:58] <elmo> ubuntugeek: jane siber's IRC nick
[12:58] <mako> ubuntugeek: jane silber
[12:58] <mako> ubuntugeek: anyway, don't sweat it
[12:58] <MikeB-> LaserJock: that name is taken:(
[12:58] <ubuntugeek> Well since we don't have anything I suppose we should :)
[12:58] <MikeB-> :)
[12:58] <ubuntugeek> mako: ok
[12:58] <joejaxx> LaserJock: may i pm?
[12:59] <LaserJock> joejaxx: don't ask, do :-)
[12:59] <Nafallo> mako: ehrm. so if yeager spins Ubuntu Nordic it doesn't need to be named Ubuntu Nordic Remix? :-)
[01:01] <mako> Nafallo: it might depend on how he does it
[01:01] <mako> it has to be blessed by the project
[01:01] <mako> which, if there is any debate, is decided by the CC
[01:02] <mako> the forums *are* an official part of ubuntu, within the ubuntu governance structure
[01:02] <mako> that would be a much harder argument to make about Ubuntu Nordic
[01:02] <mako> at least right now :)
[01:02] <Nafallo> throws out *langpacks and throws in nordic langpacks + keeps english :-)
[01:03] <Nafallo> yea, I know. even if we are synced to swedish and soon norweigan official mirrors ;-)
[01:03] <elmo> ok, I have to crash - night all
[01:04] <Nafallo> hehe. no time to say gnight there :-P
[01:12] <nixternal> @schedule chicago
[01:12] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Chicago: Current meeting: Community Council | 18 Apr 07:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 10:00: Development Team | 24 Apr 15:00: Technical Board | 25 Apr 15:00: Edubuntu | 26 Apr 15:00: MOTU
[01:22] <txwikinger> hi nixternal
[01:22] <jono> he
[01:22] <jono> hey
[01:22] <ajmitch> hey jono
[01:22] <jono> ajmitch: :)
[01:22] <txwikinger> hi jono
[01:22] <nixternal> hey
[01:23] <ajmitch> slightly late for CC, I think :)
[01:23] <jono> heh
[01:23] <joejaxx> :P
[01:23] <txwikinger> yes finished about 30 mins ago
[01:23] <jono> yeah was busy tonight
[01:23] <jono> drinking way too much tea
[01:24] <jono> on a caffiene trip right now
[01:28] <ajmitch> heh
[05:03] <theCore> Is there a specific process for scheduling a meeting here?
[05:04] <tonyyarusso> theCore: You have to contact The Fridge people, whoever they may be.
[05:04] <theCore> thanks tonyyarusso
[09:40] <auge> bye
[12:31] <pips1> @schedule zurich
[12:31] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 18 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 17:00: Development Team | 21 Apr 19:00: Support Team | 24 Apr 22:00: Technical Board | 25 Apr 22:00: Edubuntu | 26 Apr 22:00: MOTU
[12:34] <txwikinger> @schedule london
[12:34] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/London: 18 Apr 13:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 16:00: Development Team | 21 Apr 18:00: Support Team | 24 Apr 21:00: Technical Board | 25 Apr 21:00: Edubuntu | 26 Apr 21:00: MOTU
[12:52] <jsgotangco> @schedule manila
[12:52] <ubotu> Schedule for Asia/Manila: 18 Apr 20:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 23:00: Development Team | 22 Apr 01:00: Support Team | 25 Apr 04:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 04:00: Edubuntu | 27 Apr 04:00: MOTU
[01:43] <willvdl> Burgwork, you there?
[02:01] <RichEd> hello edubunteros
[02:02] <jsgotangco> hi
[02:02] <RichEd> let's see if we can do this in 90 mins ...
[02:02] <pips1_> hello
[02:02] <RichEd> hi jsgotangco, ogra
[02:02] <RichEd> pips1_:
[02:02] <RichEd> ogra: technical
[02:02] <ogra> tech: we're ready for release ;)
[02:03] <pips1_> nice
[02:03] <ogra> if you didnt help testing yet, here you can look up tests that are still missing
[02:03] <RichEd> ogra: are you happy overall ?
[02:03] <ogra> https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/
[02:03] <pips1_> there aren't that many tests missing really
[02:04] <ogra> i'm happy apart from the fact that i'd like to have had the fix for bug 105709 earlier
[02:04] <ubotu> Malone bug 105709 in ltsp "sound config not reset after thin client usage" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105709
[02:04] <ogra> but it can go into -updates
[02:04] <ogra> apart from that i'm happy all over :)
[02:04] <pips1_> ogra: you didn't help testing?
[02:04] <ogra> pips1_, ??
[02:04] <jsgotangco> lol
[02:05] <pips1_> ah, sorry misread
[02:05] <ogra> i tested all CDs as usual
[02:05] <ogra> and i will go for a netboot install test as soon as the meeting is done
[02:05] <willvdl> +++
[02:05] <ogra> seems thats the last missing one
[02:06] <jsgotangco> i did test the amd64 DVD for edubuntu (as well as the other amd64 for ubuntu)
[02:06] <ogra> all we need now is a release announcem,ent and we can start speccing gutsy ;)
[02:06] <ogra> for gutsy i have a list of thins i want to spec:
[02:06] <pips1_> yes, 2 netboot tests missing, 5 edubuntu server tests and 2 desktop tests
[02:07] <ogra> *things
[02:07] <RichEd> The release was prepared by Jane Silber ... it is a combined one. Will is going to post for us. Will ... do you have a copy ?
[02:07] <willvdl> not yet
[02:07] <willvdl> but can post it easy enough
[02:07] <RichEd> let me ask her for the latest one
[02:07] <jsgotangco> hmm it used to be community written though
[02:07] <willvdl> will I need to Edubuntise it?
[02:08] <ogra> RichEd, no, we'll need our own notes on the webpage, the combined one links to it
[02:08] <willvdl> jsgotangco, I assume it is taken from coomunity contribs
[02:08] <RichEd> well let me get the combined one, and then we can see what to add / modify
[02:08] <willvdl> ogra, ah, noow I get it
[02:08] <ogra> we dont modify that one
[02:09] <ogra> RichEd, ^^^
[02:09] <ogra> we just need our webpage to be ready by release ...
[02:09] <RichEd> i mean we use the ubuntu combined one as a starting point, and then flesh out more detail .... keeping language style etc consistent
[02:09] <ogra> and its up to us to send a separate announcement to any edubuntu MLs
[02:09] <pips1_> yes, the download page needs updating
[02:09] <ogra> but we wont have one separately to ubuntu-announce
[02:10] <RichEd> way *I
[02:10] <ogra> right, but let me finish tech ;) thats docs ;)
[02:10] <ogra> so i want to have a bunch of specs for gutsy:
[02:11] <ogra> 1. finish ltsp manager (seems the demand gets bigger here and feisty doesnt have it yet)
[02:11] <ogra> 2. make the VNC stuff work out of the box in TCM
[02:11] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients has instructions for feisty ...
[02:12] <ogra> we'll need to automate that stuff in gutsy
[02:12] <jsgotangco> +1
[02:12] <ogra> 3. merge python-tcm and python-ltsp ...
[02:12] <ogra> cbx33 isnt here today, sad
[02:12] <ogra> 4. ltsp speed profiling
[02:12] <ogra> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/BootSpeedeBox2300 is horrific
[02:13] <ogra> i agreed with all other ltsp devs that we will put the main focus for gutsy on that ... that means we'll have a lot of profiling sessions in sevilla ...
[02:14] <ogra> and hopefulle that will bring us a extremely slimlined -ltsp kernel image as well ..
[02:14] <willvdl> any fault tolerance specs?
[02:14] <willvdl> suppose they'll come out at UDS
[02:14] <ogra> 5. ldm rewrite ... a new guio is nearly done (i wrote it ovber easter) nearly three times as fast and only 10% in size of the curren one
[02:15] <ogra> willvdl, can you elaborate ?
[02:15] <willvdl> things like persistance in connections
[02:15] <highvoltage> hi pips1_
[02:15] <willvdl> session management etc
[02:15] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+branch/ltsp/ldm-greeter <-- in case anyone is interested in committing code ...
[02:15] <ogra> willvdl, thats something Xorg must provide first ...
[02:16] <RichEd> willvdl: there was a request to discuss fault tolerance at UES ... let me get the launcpad link
[02:16] <willvdl> ogra, true, hence I remembered uds
[02:16] <ogra> session management is TCM ... we'll surely enhance it further
[02:16] <RichEd> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/fault-tolerant-edubuntu
[02:16] <willvdl> RichEd, aware of that, but the technical spec side is reliant on upstream work
[02:17] <ogra> 6. improve ldm error handling (give useful input to users if a login fails)
[02:17] <ogra> and my biggest one:
[02:17] <RichEd> willvdl:  well we need to get the requirements in the discussion, and note dependencies & possibilities of what can or can't be done
[02:17] <ogra> 7. drop the first edubuntu CD and make it a ubuntu-thin-client-server.iso ... edubuntu should move to the addon CD completely
[02:18] <ogra> i know 7 will be most controversial
[02:18] <willvdl> :)
[02:18] <ogra> thats my list of specs i want to register ...
[02:18] <highvoltage> ogra: from a technical perspective, it does make sense. it also breaks the 'turnkey' component of edubuntu
[02:18] <highvoltage> then again... ubuntu is easy enough to install these days.
[02:18] <willvdl> highvoltage, +
[02:19] <RichEd> highvoltage: we can still provide the turnkey option as an .iso
[02:19] <willvdl> I think it opens up opportunities for more turnkey options
[02:19] <highvoltage> RichEd: a teacher doesn't consider it turnkey if they have to press eject on their cd-drive twice;)
[02:20] <highvoltage> RichEd: please don't ge t me wronge, I'm not apposed to it
[02:20] <ogra> highvoltage, beyond ltsp setup in the installer there is nothing that really justifies to have the first edubuntu CD ... if you drop the installer part, only artwork, some settings and package selection are left
[02:20] <ogra> these will work very well from the second CD
[02:21] <willvdl> with moodle and friends on 2nd CD?
[02:21] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, I agree
[02:21] <ogra> *and* we could make the addon CD apply to ubuntu *and-+ kubuntu with that setup ... so its totally up to the user what base desktop he has
[02:21] <ogra> willvdl, right
[02:21] <highvoltage> ogra: that's very cool
[02:22] <ogra> even xfce would be possible :)
[02:22] <RichEd> also with that approach, it allows for more "agressive marketing" of thin client ubuntu ... good commercial opportunties (I mean for corporate market)
[02:22] <highvoltage> edubuntu should really have been that way from the start, imho
[02:22] <ogra> anyway, we'll need that thin-client-iso .... mdz is opposing a standalone CD for that but im confident we'll get a solution one or the other way here
[02:22] <RichEd> and ubuntu + moodle is then an option, as well as edubuntu + moodle etc.
[02:23] <ogra> right
[02:23] <jsgotangco> won't that make the brand irrelevant?
[02:23] <willvdl> the brand is *buntu :)
[02:23] <jsgotangco> i mean your ltsp iso is stand alone and you then choose your desktop
[02:23] <ogra> jsgotangco, no, the brand will be still on the addon CD ...
[02:23] <RichEd> jsgotangco: edubuntu then becomes a configuration, rather than a product, but can be retained as a brand as such
[02:23] <jsgotangco> willvdl: exactly i mean what's edubuntu here?
[02:24] <jsgotangco> bingo
[02:24] <ogra> jsgotangco, what it always was ... a set of apps, settings and artwork
[02:24] <willvdl> jsgotangco, edubuntu is the educational variant, but variant is a misnomer
[02:24] <RichEd> jsgotangco: it's an add-on ... and that's what it is in reality no ?
[02:24] <jsgotangco> its not a product anymore but a configuraiton
[02:24] <ogra> its still a product
[02:24] <ogra> but shipped differently
[02:24] <jsgotangco> err?
[02:24] <willvdl> the configuration is the product?
[02:24] <jsgotangco> ask RichEd
[02:25] <willvdl> just thinking aloud
[02:25] <RichEd> you add edubuntu to ubuntu ... the add-on can be seen as a product ... and packaed as such
[02:25] <RichEd> *packaged
[02:25] <ogra> the set of config, artwork and apps is a product ... but shipped as an addon to *buntu
[02:25] <bimberi> "edu" constrains the potention in the Ubuntu LTSP solution
[02:25] <bimberi> *potential
[02:25] <ogra> right
[02:26] <ogra> we want a plain ubuntu LTSP you can isntall as you install edubuntu today
[02:26] <jsgotangco> it is a bit confusing but its your call
[02:26] <ogra> the biggest advantage will be shipit ...
[02:26] <willvdl> jsgotangco, if anything it makes life easier for us to get on with the Edu part of edubuntu
[02:26] <ogra> currently you can only get the first edubuntu CD from it
[02:26] <RichEd> thin client is good for banking halls, government service terminals, icafe's etc. but is not promoted as such as it kind of stays inside edubuntu or education) which is its roots, but not a final resting place
[02:26] <ogra> but not the addon which has much of the edu apps
[02:27] <highvoltage> ogra: why should there be a thin-client iso? (I'm not apposed, I just don't understand)
[02:27] <jsgotangco> ok if i get this right, it becomes a cookbook of sorts, you get to choose your ingredients
[02:27] <ogra> highvoltage, my vision would be a plain thin client iso with duifferent install variants:
[02:27] <ogra> 1. plain LTSP
[02:28] <ogra> 2. fat client server
[02:28] <willvdl> jsgotangco, which have assumedly been hand-selected by a repected community
[02:28] <ogra> 3. icafe setup (webkiosk)
[02:28] <pips1_> yes, why an thin client iso? it could just be an installation option on the ubuntu and kubuntu installers
[02:28] <ogra> 4. whateveryoucanimaginehere
[02:28] <highvoltage> ogra: ah, so it won't contain the pre-build chroots as such?
[02:28] <ogra> it will use the installer as we use it now in edubuntu
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> 5 netboot gateway
[02:28] <highvoltage> ogra: surely those will fit on the ubuntu cd? or is the seperate cd to emphasize value-add?
[02:29] <ogra> Kamping_Kaiser, good point, noted
[02:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> ty (i made one by hand :S)
[02:29] <ogra> highvoltage, ltsp needs the i386 kernel ...
[02:29] <ogra> which means ~20M
[02:29] <ogra> it wont fit on the normal ubuntu CD
[02:29] <ogra> mdz's suggestion was to add it to the server CD, but then we'll need to ship a desktop there
[02:29] <pips1_> ach, the size limitation prob again
[02:30] <ogra> which is pointless imho ...
[02:30] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, I see what you mean.
[02:30] <ogra> this CD i'm talking about would actually be the current first edubuntu CD without branding :)
[02:31] <pips1_> yes, I was just about to ask... server components like moodle, schooltool, how do you get those integrated in what now currently is "edubuntu"
[02:31] <pips1_> ?
[02:31] <ogra> via metapackages
[02:31] <ogra> preseeding package settings works on the addon CD as well as in the installer ...
[02:31] <pips1_> ah
[02:32] <willvdl> which is what would have been done on 1st CD anyway
[02:32] <ogra> its a bit different but nothing that prevents us from using it on the addon CD
[02:32] <jsgotangco> i have a simple question
[02:32] <pips1_> so what are the steps to install a ltsp classroom server with moodle?
[02:32] <willvdl> forget the "?"
[02:33] <pips1_> *what would the steps be?
[02:33] <ogra> pips1_, in gutsy you mean ?
[02:33] <pips1_> yes
[02:33] <ogra> well, install an ubuntu ltsp server from the thin client CD (or the ubuntu server CD or whatever)
[02:33] <ogra> pop in your addon CD ... gnome-app-install pops up ...
[02:34] <ogra> select edubuntu-moodle-server .... and click ok
[02:34] <ogra> probably answer two questions about the DB admin password and thats it ...
[02:34] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: ask?
[02:34] <ogra> thats how i see it
[02:34] <pips1_> you install the LTSP iso, choose 'plain ltsp' (for example), insert the addon cd ... and then what? do you get options like 1. install edu desktop apps 2. install moodle 3. install schooltool, etc.?
[02:35] <ogra> highvoltage, dont encourage him, he could actually do it :P
[02:35] <highvoltage> heh!
[02:35] <highvoltage> ogra: perhaps I already scared him off?
[02:35] <jsgotangco> where is the focus on education here now? why do i see this as a meeting of ltsp rather than an edubuntu one?
[02:35] <ogra> pips1_, the addon CD will work as it does now ...l through g-a-i
[02:35] <pips1_> ogra, I see
[02:36] <ogra> jsgotangco, the focus will be much clearer if we make that move
[02:36] <jsgotangco> ok
[02:36] <ogra> the addon CD will be the edu part of things
[02:36] <pips1_> so moodle would simply appear in the listings like the other desktop applications?!
[02:36] <willvdl> jsgotangco, see your concern but I see this as the start of a (big) conversation
[02:36] <jsgotangco> it is
[02:36] <ogra> totally independent of the underlying arch
[02:36] <jsgotangco> i understand the technical need btw
[02:37] <ogra> pips1_, there woukld be an edubuntu-moodle entry or something like that, yes
[02:37] <RichEd> ogra: would it be edubuntu-moodle or *buntu-moodle ?
[02:37] <ogra> jsgotangco, its not a *need* we live fine with it as is ... but it just seems to make far more sense
[02:38] <ogra> RichEd, edubuntu-moodle since it would be on the addon CD just to provide the entry in g-a-i
[02:38] <pips1_> hmm, this will defnitely need a discussion session at the UES and UDS, me thinks
[02:38] <ogra> for ubuntu you would just iunstall moodle
[02:38] <highvoltage> pips1_: yes, that's what ogra said :)
[02:38] <ogra> the edubuntu-moodle entry would only add it to gnome-app-install
[02:39] <ogra> might even be edubuntu-server if we ship more than moodle
[02:39] <ogra> or edubuntu-services
[02:39] <RichEd> okay ... do we need to discuss this at UES before UDS, or can it wait for UDS ?
[02:39] <ogra> thast up to us to spec at UDS ;) nothinbg for the meeting
[02:40] <ogra> we should at least discuss the complete move to an addon ... tech details can go to UDS
[02:40] <highvoltage> at least it made the meeting a bit exciting, you should bring up subjects like this more often :)
[02:40] <RichEd> it may be an idea to has a session at UES on "the edubuntu add-on CD and what people would like to see there"
[02:40] <ogra> yeah
[02:40] <ogra> that was my plan ...
[02:41] <RichEd> if you create the UDS meeting, I'll make a more general one for UES
[02:41] <ogra> i havent registered any specs yet for any of the summits ... i plan to do that over the weekend or beginning next week
[02:41] <ogra> releae was keeping me busy :) i only made a list on ym whiteboard yet :)
[02:42] <RichEd> ah ... analogue technology
[02:42] <ogra> heh, yes
[02:42] <RichEd> Time marches on ... are we reaching the end of technical ?
[02:42] <ogra> my whiteboard is my mind :)
[02:42] <ogra> yup
[02:42] <highvoltage> I think http://www.kiwix.org/ would be nice to include on CD#2
[02:42] <ogra> tech done ... unless there are questions
[02:42] <highvoltage> but we can discuss that in Sevilla :)
[02:43] <ogra> right, we should have a spec for app selection at UES
[02:43] <pips1_> I'm really interested in the mid to long term ideas of how *integration* works for server components (ltsp / dhcp / directory server / moodle / ...) and the desktop
[02:43] <RichEd> we should probably have a technical spec discussion at next weeks meeting, to talk through the BOFs ogra is gong to create, and what else people think is missing
[02:43] <willvdl> highvoltage, kiwix, oooooh
[02:43] <highvoltage> willvdl: indeed :)
[02:44] <ogra> highvoltage, i hope that doesnt need mediawiki or something
[02:44] <willvdl> pips1_, ++
[02:44] <highvoltage> ogra: it seems like a standalone thing, I haven't tried it yet, but will download to provide feedback and information
[02:45] <willvdl> ogra, oooh, looks like it does :)
[02:45] <RichEd> okie moving on to: Documentation then ...
[02:45] <RichEd> Documentation for the release we need:
[02:46] <willvdl> someone mentioned download page needs updating?
[02:46] <RichEd> 1 our own announcement written for the edubutu mailing lists
[02:46] <RichEd> 2 our own announcement page for edubuntu.org
[02:47] <RichEd> 3, check download page & update
[02:47] <RichEd> I'll do #1 with ogra's input
[02:47] <RichEd> willvdl: , can you look after #2 if I give you the text from #1 ?
[02:48] <willvdl> #1 can be synchronous with wiki page?
[02:48] <ogra> 1 can just link to 2, no ?
[02:48] <willvdl> ogra, yeah
[02:48] <RichEd> yes ... 1 is the text for the mail shot ... plain, no format
[02:48] <RichEd> 2 needs to look pretty, so it is just a bit of tarting up
[02:48] <willvdl> #2 would be #2-a: www.e.o "combined announcement"
[02:48] <willvdl> and #2-b: wiki page as always
[02:49] <RichEd> so willvdl, if i do the text, can you create the pages and make it look pretty ?
[02:49] <willvdl> yeah. no problem
[02:50] <RichEd> and pips1_ : you mentioned that the download page needs updating. can you manage with that and what help / info do you need ?
[02:50] <willvdl> probably info from Matt?
[02:50] <jsgotangco> download links never change much, just the folders where they are supposed to be grabbed
[02:50] <pips1_> well, matt got in touch with me. he has developed a drupal module that dynamically updates the best download mirrors
[02:51] <highvoltage> pips1_: is that the file I'm waiting for?
[02:51] <pips1_> highvoltage agreed to install the drupal module on the webserver once matt nuzum is done with the module...
[02:52] <highvoltage> ah ok. I wondered what the module was for..
[02:52] <RichEd> okie ... shall I check with matt nuzum as to the status of that ?
[02:53] <pips1_> yes, it's a bit convoluted that there are now three people involved... but on the short term, it's ok, highvoltage and me can discuss how we streamline this in the future
[02:53] <RichEd> okie popping over to ask matt now
[02:54] <pips1_> when is the release actually going to happen? (I need to know to be ready in the right moment)?
[02:55] <pips1_> ogra ^^^ ?
[02:55] <highvoltage> pips1_: tomorrow is the 19th ;)
[02:55] <pips1_> what time?
[02:55] <ogra> 19th is scheduled
[02:55] <ogra> no idea
[02:55] <jsgotangco> you can actually grab the cd now if you want
[02:56] <ogra> european noon i guess
[02:56] <ogra> to catch the press
[02:56] <willvdl> CET, EET or WET? :P
[02:56] <jsgotangco> WET sounds good
[02:56] <ogra> AET-2 :P
[02:57] <willvdl> I prefer EET....mmmh...eet
[02:57] <RichEd> pips1_, highvoltage : i've pinged newz2000 waiting for a response ...
[02:58] <bimberi> it'll be April 19 somewhere in the world for ~48 hours :)
[02:58] <pips1_> RichEd: mee too in #ubuntu-matt
[02:58] <willvdl> prob a bit early for him?
[02:58] <pips1_> willvdl: yep
[02:58] <ogra> we have an #ubuntu-matt channel ?
[02:58] <ogra> heh
[02:58] <ogra> are all matts we have in there ?
[02:58] <RichEd> pips1_: i'll join you there ... to cut out the number of comms laters
[02:58] <RichEd> *layers
[02:58] <jsgotangco> that can seriously start a trend
[02:59] <ogra> jsgotangco, freenode will love you :)
[02:59] <willvdl> ogra, would be a busy channel
[02:59] <ogra> yeah
[02:59] <willvdl> but not as big as #ubuntu-chris
[02:59] <ogra> heh
[03:00] <willvdl> any other doc news?
[03:00] <willvdl> last week was mentioned that "edubuntu-docs" is final, translation templates are up for sale...
[03:01] <pips1_> I'm just a bit concerned about this download "module"... when there is only very little time, I prefer to keep it simple, i.e. I'd rather have some static links to mirrors, rather than a fancy dynamic thing... also we should really test matt's module on a separate drupal 4.7 test install, rather than dropping it onto the live server (the ubuntu site is using drupal 5.0 so i don't know if any compatability issues occur)
[03:01] <willvdl> and handbook updated
[03:01] <ogra> willvdl, given that the CDs are final ...
[03:01] <highvoltage> pips1_: we can still have the static page as a fallback
[03:01] <ogra> we can still push updates through feisty-updates later
[03:01] <willvdl> pips1_, if it's the module I'm thinking of then it is already in production?
[03:02] <willvdl> scratch that
[03:02] <willvdl> didn't read you properly
[03:02] <pips1_> willvdl: yes, it is in production on the ubuntu site, but it needs adjustments to link  to *edubuntu* isos
[03:03] <RichEd> ogra: i've mailed you a text doc with #1 the ubuntu and #2 ubuntu flavours announcement text. can you please add the additional points for edubuntu (features etc) and I will sort out from there
[03:03] <pips1_> also, what i said about the different versions of drupal u.c vs e.o might apply
[03:03] <ogra> RichEd, indeed
[03:04] <ogra> (the thing i hate most in a release cycle ... writing release announcements)
[03:04] <RichEd> thanks ... i'll then pass on to willvdl for the web stuff, and also send out on edubuntu-users, edubuntu-devel, and ubuntu-education
[03:04] <willvdl> pips1_, we can use the wiki as before which has a link "https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/DownloadRedirect" which just redirects to www.e.org
[03:04] <RichEd> ogra: you give me the tech bullets, i'll make up the reading version
[03:04] <ogra> yup
[03:04] <willvdl> so we could modify the get-edubuntu wiki page
[03:05] <willvdl> and point to it from the www site?
[03:05] <willvdl> hmmm, sounds a bit convoluted
[03:05] <highvoltage> ogra: that's a very peculiar stage to hate :)
[03:05] <pips1_> willvdl: huh?
[03:06] <pips1_> willvdl: let's keep the download page on edubuntu.org rather than the wiki
[03:06] <willvdl> wiki site links to http://www.edubuntu.org/Download
[03:06] <pips1_> yes, let's keep it there
[03:06] <willvdl> fine with me
[03:06] <RichEd> willvdl: alo please confirm the link you will use for the page on the edubuntu.org so I can have it in the release
[03:06] <ogra> highvoltage, its a special kind of report ... i hate writing any kind of reports :P
[03:06] <willvdl> the one that Mithrandir wnated?
[03:06] <RichEd> ogra: when do you think I should send out the mail shot ? tomorrow, but any specific time recommended ?
[03:07] <Mithrandir> RichEd: after I press the button is probably a good time. :-)
[03:07] <ogra> RichEd, if the ubuntu announcement is out ...
[03:07] <willvdl> urk, gotto check the log to see exact wording...
[03:07] <RichEd> Mithrandir: when do you think that will be ? just to get myself ready ...
[03:08] <pips1_> erm, another loose end: what about the (very popular) 'getting started' page that highvoltage wrote? surely, it needs to be archived and a new updated version needs done ? (taking the new setup with the addon cd into account)!
[03:08] <Mithrandir> RichEd: some time during the day; we're roughly in the same TZ.
[03:08] <RichEd> thanks ... will look out for the ubuntu-announce and check with you after i see that
[03:09] <Mithrandir> I'll be happy to prod you on IRC
[03:09] <pips1_> http://www.edubuntu.org/GettingStarted
[03:09] <pips1_> ^^^ this needs an update, or am I wrong?
[03:09] <highvoltage> pips1_: yes, it needs an update
[03:09] <willvdl> RichEd, got it: www.edubuntu.org/news/7.04-release
[03:10] <RichEd> thanks ...
[03:10] <ogra> RichEd, we ususally have it so the european press can still pick it up and the US press can soon pick it up ...
[03:10] <ogra> so around noon your time or a bit later would be my guess ...
[03:10] <highvoltage> pips1_: and the teacher advocacy page too, we need to update screenshots justfor some applications with new features
[03:10] <pips1_> urg.. so who has the time to update it? (and who knows about the tech details to be correct)?
[03:10] <willvdl> pips1_, should be marked for CleanUp
[03:10] <RichEd> ogra: I'll wait for the official prod from Mithrandir ...
[03:10] <ogra> yeah
[03:11] <willvdl> pips1_, oops, sorry again
[03:11] <willvdl> read you wrong :)
[03:11] <pips1_> hehe
[03:11] <willvdl> pips1_, there was discussion at length a while back where installation notes should go
[03:11] <willvdl> on wiki, on www or leave it in Colins debian install guide
[03:12] <pips1_> ^^^  ogra highvoltage (hope hope)
[03:13] <RichEd> Just on a note of meeting order: We're kind of covering documentation & web site agenda points at the moment. We can go back to artwork after this.
[03:13] <willvdl> pips1_, http://www.edubuntu.org/GettingStarted is actually still current but for Dapper...we should just rename it
[03:13] <pips1_> willvdl: yes
[03:13] <highvoltage> pips1_: the screenshots isn't incredibly critical, I'll install edubuntu-desktop and check what has changed the most. anyone could also do that.
[03:13] <pips1_> well, it's for edgy, rather than dapper, no?
[03:13] <pips1_> highvoltage: ok, I'll do the screenshots.
[03:14] <highvoltage> pips1_: cool
[03:14] <pips1_> highvoltage: can you do the getting started?
[03:14] <willvdl> highvoltage,, pips1_: do we want to continue this way? Install guide on www?
[03:14] <ogra> there should be no special notes for feisty beyond the ubuntu notes
[03:15] <pips1_> ogra: what do you mean by "notes"?
[03:15] <ogra> we dont need manual intervention since edgy anymore, so the ubuntu notes should just be fine for us
[03:15] <ogra> install notes
[03:15] <pips1_> ah
[03:15] <pips1_> so by install notes, you also mean that 'getting started' page?
[03:15] <ogra> dapper needed the dhcpd.conf fiddling ....
[03:15] <highvoltage> willvdl: I think it's important to have "a" install guide where people can easily find it
[03:15] <ogra> well, thats our install notes page, isnt it ?
[03:16] <willvdl> if we have a GettingStarted page then we should have it for Dapper, Edgy and a link to Feisty
[03:16] <pips1_> yes, you can call it that :)
[03:16] <highvoltage> willvdl: but it doesn't necassarily have to be its home
[03:16] <willvdl> highvoltage, remember a discussion we had with cjwatson about this?
[03:17] <pips1_> highvoltage, ogra: can you tell me of the current content on the GettingStarted page is relevant to A.) Dapper B.) Edgy C.) both?
[03:17] <ogra> A
[03:17] <ogra> and indeed BC whatever ... if you cur out the dhcpd.conf parts ...
[03:18] <ogra> *cut
[03:18] <pips1_> so the difference is that on edgy, you didn't need to manually edit the dhcpd.conf anymore
[03:18] <highvoltage> pips1_: originally A, then adapted to suite B as well
[03:18] <willvdl> so A up until manual edit of dhcp.conf, then C
[03:19] <ogra> pips1_, exactly ... the screens apart from that should be similar over all releases
[03:20] <pips1_> just to make sure: does the last section "fine-tuning the thin client setup" apply to *both* Dapper and Edgy?
[03:21] <pips1_> I mean, are those ltsp options all supported in Dapper?
[03:21] <ogra> hmm
[03:22] <highvoltage> ogra: I think last when we discussed, you said it would be best if there was a seperate wiki page for all the lts.conf tags?
[03:22] <ogra> that should rather use the file from /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts.conf
[03:22] <ogra> that example file was never really accurate
[03:22] <highvoltage> (which would also specify since which release it's availble)
[03:22] <ogra> (the one on the webpage)
[03:22] <ogra> and it should point the user to /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz
[03:23] <pips1_> arg, this is getting a bit complicated. I think we definitely need to get this right today
[03:23] <ogra> indeed that can be copied into a wikipage ... i tried to keep it up to date since edgy ... so it should list all valid optiojns
[03:23] <pips1_> ok, that makes it easier
[03:24] <ogra> whats complicatesd about that, replace the example lts.conf and poiunt users to read /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz to get info about all available options
[03:25] <ogra> if you urgently want to copy it into the wiki, do it... but the pointer should suffice ... we also have that list of options in the handbook
[03:25] <pips1_> I'll copy the GettingStarted page twice, keep the current one for Dapper (rename it accordingly) and then trim the copies to work for Edgy and Feisty? And on all pages, we delete the last paragraph about the LTSP options and simply reference the wiki page that ogra mentioned
[03:25] <willvdl> pips1_, ++
[03:26] <ogra> err, i did mention a wikipage ?
[03:26] <pips1_> ah, sorry, indeed you said that the content of /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz can be copied to a wiki page
[03:26] <ogra> right
[03:27] <ogra> but i'd rather refer to the handbook
[03:27] <ogra> and point to the path for deeper info ...
[03:27] <pips1_> for the sake of simplicity I'll do all that, and then I'll ping you guys (highvoltage and ogra) to proof read the GettingStarted page (in particular for Feisty)
[03:27] <willvdl> maybe start collating such stuff under release specific names?
[03:28] <ogra> if you are at a point where you override ltsp defaults (which is what lts,conf does) you have a rnning server and all docs available
[03:28] <RichEd> pips1_ & highvoltage ... matt nuzum is alive & waiting in #ubuntu-matt to chat about the download module
[03:29] <ogra> well, is there still anything we need to discuass in the meeting ?
[03:29] <pips1_> so ogra, where do if find that handbook page about lts.conf ?
[03:29] <ogra> i think what we're doing atm casn move to #edubuntu
[03:29] <willvdl> well we can keep the discussion alive but wrap up the meeting with artwork and community?
[03:30] <RichEd> Not any more from me for today. just a call to those who want to discuss UES and UDS and Feisty+1 specs to be at next weeks meeting.
[03:30] <pips1_> ok, let's discuss the details about the release doc to @edubuntu
[03:30] <ogra> right, so lets wrap up and move to #edubuntu
[03:30] <RichEd> Thanks all ... I have to dash.
[03:31] <highvoltage> RichEd: I brefer to bash, personally.
[03:31] <pips1_> artwork?
[03:31] <ogra> any other business ?
[03:31] <willvdl> community is upcoming UES
[03:31] <ogra> highvoltage, trhats not posix conform, you know that
[03:31] <RichEd> me bashes highvoltage <-like that ?
[03:31] <highvoltage> RichEd: more like in, /bin/bash :)
[03:31] <willvdl> highvoltage, club seals, it's more accepted around here
[03:31] <highvoltage> ogra: posix needs to catch up ;)
[03:32] <ogra> heh
[03:32] <willvdl>  /join #sealcubclubclub
[03:32] <ogra> soo
[03:32] <ogra> pips1_, what doi you want to say about artwork ?
[03:33] <pips1_> I don't want to say anything, I was asking :-)
[03:33] <ogra> well, there is nothing to discuss so far i think
[03:33] <ogra> any other business ?
[03:34] <willvdl> not from here
[03:34] <ogra> going once ....
[03:34] <willvdl> happy release everyone
[03:34] <ogra> going twice ....
[03:34] <ogra> adjourned !
[03:34] <ogra> thaks everyone, enjoy the release :)
[03:34] <willvdl> minutes are on wiki
[03:34] <willvdl> (for once on time)
[08:22] <illovae> hello
[09:12] <juliux> @schedule berlin
[09:12] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 19 Apr 17:00: Development Team | 21 Apr 19:00: Support Team | 24 Apr 22:00: Technical Board | 25 Apr 22:00: Edubuntu | 26 Apr 22:00: MOTU | 26 Apr 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[09:34] <sacater> @time
[09:34] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: April 18 2007, 19:34:47 - Next meeting: Development Team in 19 hours 25 minutes
[10:10] <juliux> !logs
[10:10] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs


[05:39] <magedragon25> maybe someone here can help me.....related to vmware server installation and header files
[05:44] <vish> !support » magedragon25
[05:44] <ubot2> vish: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[05:44] <vish> !support | magedragon25
[05:44] <ubot2> magedragon25: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[05:44] <magedragon25> tried those....not much help
[05:45] <vish> magedragon25¦ oh, maybe people who could help you werent around at that moment, you could try again later..
[05:45] <magedragon25> thanks anyways
[07:59] <cactaur> Hey all! So I'm currently trying to work with a bug I submitted. I've been going back and forth with a triager. However, when he asked me to try testing out a mainline kernel, I couldn't do it because there was an error. I'm not sure what to do now since the bug is not that the kernel won't compile, but I'm not sure where to turn to for help. Anyone have any advice?
[08:01] <nigelb> This wiki page might help you: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[08:04] <cactaur> Yes, I followed this guide. However, at installing the final debian package, I got an error about it being unable to install initrd. I was wondering where I should turn to because I don't think mainline builds are something many people need help with.
[08:06] <nigelb> ok, I'd recommend asking in #ubuntu-kernel but on a working day.  There is a possiblity there may not be anyone around today
[08:32] <njin> hello to all, can someone set importance to this ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/634211
[08:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 634211 in linux (Ubuntu) "/dev/dsp* disappeared after upgrade Lucid=>Maverick (affects: 11) (heat: 58)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[08:40] <njin> in this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelTeamBugPolicies if we launch the command "ubuntu-bug -p linux" as describeb terminal reply that is deprecated
[08:40] <njin> Can I fix it removing  -p
[08:40] <njin> ?
[09:00] <njin> can someone look https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/661081
[09:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 661081 in linux (Ubuntu) "Realtek 8187 Crashes computer when connect (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[12:39] <xteejx> Wow it's been a while since I've had to grab a backtrace manually
[12:39] <xteejx> Afternoon all
[12:40] <ari-tczew> xteejx: are you interested in bug 595103 ?
[12:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 595103 in wu-ftpd (Ubuntu) "please merge wu-ftpd 2.6.2-32 (universe) from debian unstable (affects: 1) (heat: 37)" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595103
[12:40] <ari-tczew> bilalaktar will take this one, if you are not interested
[12:40] <xteejx> lol I've literally just messaged to that bug I saw the email
[12:41] <xteejx> Didn't even notice that anyone had commented
[12:41] <xteejx> Please, feel free to take it
[12:42] <ari-tczew> xteejx: thanks and please in future comment on bug, that you won't update patch
[12:43] <xteejx> ari-tczew: I know, but had forgotten about it, have been in hospital for 5 months, have only just came back to Ubuntu
[12:44] <ari-tczew> xteejx: sorry for hear that
[12:45] <xteejx> ari-tczew: It's cool, sorry about not updating it :)
[14:43] <vish> jibel¦ deactivated your inactive student wmrit from mentorship
[15:10] <hggdh> nigelb: still there?
[15:25] <nigelb> hggdh: yes
[15:26] <hggdh> nigelb: I would like to receive feedback (if any) on my presentation yesterday -- is it possible?
[15:27] <nigelb> hggdh: ah, let me get this server restarted and get back to you :)
[15:27]  * nigelb will poke in about 5 to 10 mins
[15:27] <hggdh> roj
[15:27] <nigelb> (depending on if it decides to be cranky or not)
[16:00] <xteejx> bug 127839 - how can I clean this up, its long been fixed but the Debian task is "new"
[16:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 127839 in net-snmp (Debian) (and 2 other projects) "Big changelog.gz file duplicates in libsnmp-base and libsnmp9 packages (affects: 1) (heat: 2)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127839
[16:01] <hggdh> xteejx: well, checking the affected packages?
[16:01] <xteejx> hggdh, I don't get what you mean
[16:02] <xelister> 10.10 ubutnu was realse, right?  its not in testing now?
[16:02] <xteejx> xelister: 10.10 is the latest Ubuntu release, yes
[16:02] <xelister> if I do  update-manager --devel-release   then it shows me new ubuntu 10.10
[16:03] <devildante> xelister: does it show without the option?
[16:03] <xelister> but there it says - = Welcome to the Ubuntu 'Maverick Meerkat' development release =
[16:03] <hggdh> xteejx: hum. Actually, it is fix-released on Ubuntu
[16:03] <xteejx> xelister: It would do, 11.04 hasn't been touched yet
[16:03] <xelister> and without that option, this is now shown. wtf
[16:03] <xelister> I use   deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-proposed restricted main multiverse universe
[16:03] <xelister> since I helped testing some stuff on lucid
[16:04] <xteejx> hggdh, I know it's fixed in Ubuntu, but that Debian task adds to our number doesn't it? How do I change it?
[16:04] <hggdh> xteejx: so it is only open on Debian. You could download the debian packages, and check if it is still true there
[16:04] <xteejx> hggdh, ahh I see whwere you're going :) I'llk get on it
[16:04] <yofel> xelister: does it even list maverick when you don't use --devel-release?
[16:04] <xelister> yofel:  list it where?
[16:04] <hggdh> xteejx: no, it does not add -- not really -- to our numbers. It will still be shown, but it is not an Ubuntu bug, it is upstream
[16:05] <xteejx> hggdh, ahh ok, just looked messy :)
[16:05] <yofel> xelister: well, update-manager should offer you the maverick upgrade without --devel-release if you set it to show normal releases and not just LTS ones
[16:08] <xelister> yofel: it doesnt.  why?
[16:09] <xelister> could it be because I set sources.list to lucid-proposed?
[16:10] <yofel> xelister: if you go to software sources -> updates, what does it say for "show new distribution releases: ..." ?
[16:12] <xelister> ah, that was the problem
[16:12] <xelister> it was only showing TLS
[17:28] <slinker> !bug 661774 wishlist
[17:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 661774 in meta-gnome2 (Ubuntu) "CPU applets do not show text (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/661774
[17:29] <slinker> bug 661774 wishlist
[17:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 661774 in meta-gnome2 (Ubuntu) "CPU applets do not show text (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/661774
[17:30] <slinker> whoops
[17:39] <slinker> !dupliate 661774
[17:39] <ubot2> Factoid 'dupliate 661774' not found
[17:39] <slinker> !duplicate 661774
[17:39] <ubot2> slinker: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[17:39] <slinker> figured maybe you'd list the ones listed as dupes
[17:47] <hggdh> slinker: why do you think it is a wishlist? Also, what package should be assigned to the bug? Finally, did you reproduce it?
[17:49] <hggdh> slinker: I am asking only because I see (1) wrong package assigned; (2) no real reference to *which* CPU applet was used; (3) no confirmation it does indeed happen
[17:49] <slinker> Sorry, I Jumped the gun a bit 'cause it was a patch
[17:49] <slinker> kinda bad :\
[17:49] <hggdh> :-)
[17:49] <slinker> you can't unlink, can you?
[17:49] <slinker> http://www.gaertner.de/~lindig/software/tony.html
[17:50] <slinker> erm, wrong link
[17:50] <hggdh> yes, you can
[17:50] <slinker> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash-completion/+bug/615042
[17:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 615042 in bash-completion (Ubuntu) "MPlayer completion rules complete only specific files (dup-of: 661775)" [Low,Fix released]
[17:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 661775 in bash-completion (Ubuntu) "completion for "mplayer -(cd|dvd)-device" should also complete directory names (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,New]
[17:50] <slinker> yeah
[17:50] <slinker> I was about to run the patch
[17:50] <slinker> then it kicked in my brain that I hadn't yet
[17:50] <slinker> no coffee I think
[17:54] <hggdh> slinker: I unlinked. Now, why did you mark bug 615042 as FixReleased?
[17:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 615042 in bash-completion (Ubuntu) "MPlayer completion rules complete only specific files (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615042
[17:56] <neriukas> i bad speak english where i could paste printscreen's images of bugs ubuntu? to shaw bugs ...
[17:56] <slinker> I did that 'cause I saw auto-completion and hadn't woken up yet, I'll get my head right before I log into launchpad. Sorry.
[17:59] <slinker> thank you
[17:59] <hggdh> neriukas: you can use http://imagebin.ca/ or attch to a bug
[17:59] <hggdh> slinker: np
[18:00] <neriukas> thanks hggdh
[18:01] <neriukas> i have question ... Can i shaw bugs of xubuntu here?
[18:02] <yofel> evening, finally got around to read the meeting log - did anyone remember that the linux apport hook needs to be changed too as it uses the regression tags?
[18:04] <hggdh> afternoon yofel
[18:04] <yofel> and can someone please update the meeting date in the topic?
[18:05] <hggdh> I am not sure about the linux apport hook, but please feel free to update it (of course, the usual way... open a bug, add a patch, etc, etc)
[18:05] <hggdh> yofel: I do not have access to it
[18:06] <yofel> heh, np
[18:08] <njin> hello fellows, there's a kubuntu user to take a look at this ?https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/661313 Thanks
[18:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 661313 in ubuntu "kubuntu 10.10 issue with desktop effects and taskbar transparency (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[18:15] <yofel> that they're not enabled on boot probably comes from a bug in the complicated blacklisting code for intel cards (there was a report about that somewhere..) I don't know how the taskbar transparency works though
[18:18] <yofel> njin: you could ask in #kubuntu-devel what information is needed here, I would use kwin (source kdebase-workspace) as the package name for now
[18:19] <njin> yofel: thanks
[18:21] <ramanK> The System Monitor shows more than %100 for some processes. is this a reported bug?
[18:22] <Nafallo> is it a bug?
[18:22] <slinker> bug 661812 low
[18:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 661812 in pitivi (Ubuntu) "File Open and Save As menu items missing ellipse (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/661812
[18:22] <ramanK> I think it is  a bug .
[18:23] <Nafallo> ramanK: well, 100% is one processor core... if you have several and the application uses them it can be well beyond 100%
[18:23] <Nafallo> i.e. say it's using two cores fully... that's 200%
[18:24] <ramanK> Nafallo: hmm. do you think this is what people usually expect ?
[18:26] <yofel> well, I wouldn't expect a process that uses one full core on a quad-core to only use 25% either, so a process using >100% is fine IMHO
[18:26] <yofel> depends on the viewpoint I guess
[18:28] <ramanK> thanks for answer.
[18:29] <ramanK> good luck
[18:43] <slinker> bug 661806 medium
[18:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 661806 in pitivi (Ubuntu) "Audio not selectable after zooming in (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/661806
[18:47] <hggdh> slinker: for this one, what version of pitivi are you running? The was opened against 1ubuntu2, and current is 1ubuntu3
[18:48] <hggdh> slinker: also, if you find *another* issue, you should report it on a NEW bug -- one bug per issue, one issue per bug
[18:50] <devildante> could someone change the topic? It's still saying that the meeting is 12 Oct :p
[18:50] <xteejx> I asked for that 2 days ago lol
[18:52] <hggdh> slinker: use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Description to add the version info in, please
[18:53] <hggdh> OK. I now count three of you asking for it :-)
[18:54] <slinker> hggdh: alright, thank you :)
[18:54] <devildante> hggdh: who's allowed to change it?
[18:55] <hggdh> devildante: I think bdmurray, pedro, and the IRC sysops
[18:55] <xteejx> bug 144793 anyone know about this??
[18:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 144793 in partman-auto-loop (Ubuntu) "Use dd with bs=4k when creating disk images (heat: 2)" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144793
[18:55] <devildante> hggdh: thanks :)
[18:56]  * hggdh cannot do it, and is pretty happy *without* this capability ;-)
[18:56] <devildante> lol
[18:59] <hggdh> xteejx: no, I do not. But, perhaps it is coded in partman?
[18:59] <xteejx> hggdh, any way I'd find out?
[19:00] <xteejx> suppose i could google again
[19:00] <hggdh> xteejx: grab the source...
[19:02] <xteejx> hggdh: Duh why didn't I think of that :)
[19:02] <xteejx> Thanks hggdh :)
[19:02] <hggdh> xteejx: my pleasure.  Only parted, partimage etc
[19:03] <xteejx> Oh it's partitionmanager isn't it?
[19:05] <devildante> I think so :)
[19:06] <xteejx> :)
[19:07] <hggdh> xteejx: one oway is to click on the Overview link at the top of the bug, and you will get to see all versions published for that package (which means binary and package sources
[19:08] <hggdh> then you can navigate from there
[19:08] <xteejx> hggdh, but I don't know if it was ever implemented or not
[19:08] <xteejx> I have the source anyway, going thru the changelog
[19:09] <hggdh> xteejx: if 'dd' is being used, then you should be able to find a call to it
[19:09] <xteejx> hggdh, ok I'll do a grep search
[19:14] <xteejx> Nothing matching dd that I can see, so gonna mark it Confirmed
[19:15] <hggdh> oops
[19:15] <xteejx> oops?
[19:15] <hggdh> xteejx: I just downloaded it, and ran a grep on it: http://pastebin.com/HannJwe5
[19:15] <geekosopher> am i correct in marking bug 659668 as confirmed?
[19:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 659668 in linux (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu does not suspend for Lenovo Thinkpad T500 (affects: 8) (dups: 1) (heat: 54)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/659668
[19:16] <xteejx> hggdh, strange it didn't come up :S
[19:17] <hggdh> xteejx: did you 'grep -R dd *'?
[19:17] <xteejx> yup I done a recursive search
[19:17] <hggdh> geekosopher: for Linux (kernel) bugs, ideally you have to have the *exact* same hardware to be able to confirm
[19:18] <hggdh> geekosopher: the OP states it has a T500, the additional commenter has a W500. What is the difference between both?
[19:18] <geekosopher> hggdh: ok, so should I let it be marked as new?
[19:19] <hggdh> xteejx: also, I used 'pull-lp-source' to get the source packages
[19:19] <xteejx> weird my system didn't see it (or my eyes)
[19:19] <xteejx> I assume that first line pretty much closes the wishlist bug then with the bs=xxx ?
[19:19] <geekosopher> hggdh: i don't know
[19:19] <hggdh> geekosopher: yes, I think so. Also, please add a comment to the second commenter to please open a new bug
[19:20] <geekosopher> ok
[19:20] <hggdh> xteejx: *seems* to. Now you have to really look at the sources, and find how they are used
[19:20] <xteejx> hggdh, :O
[19:20] <hggdh> xteejx: but I have a feeling this is not a bug...
[19:22] <geekosopher> hggdh: the original reporter has also done apport-collect for the bug. Is the information contained enough to be marked as triaged?
[19:22] <xteejx> hggdh, It's wishlist isn't it?
[19:23] <njin> hggdh: reporter reply https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/slide-webdavclient/+bug/651004
[19:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 651004 in slide-webdavclient (Ubuntu) "webDAV corruption on Lucid: Lightning calendar not available (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[19:23] <hggdh> geekosopher: now... it would, yes, usually. But this is a kernel bug...
[19:23] <xteejx> I think I'll just ask the guy if he's still having issues with this
[19:24] <geekosopher> :0
[19:24] <devildante> geekosopher: he needs to test the upstream mainline kernel first
[19:24] <hggdh> xteejx: you can state that Maverick (at least) already uses a bs="1000000", which is bigger than what is being proposed
[19:25] <hggdh> xteejx: also, there is no indication of *what* version the OP is running...
[19:25] <xteejx> hggdh, that's true, will put that in the reply :) thank you
[19:25] <hggdh> xteejx: "please use ubuntu-bug ..." to report new bugs, etc, etc
[19:25] <xteejx> hggdh, going by the report date I'd guess 7.04
[19:25] <xteejx> yeah I'll do that then :)
[19:26] <hggdh> xteejx: now that you have a good idea of dates, you can look at the changelog and try to find out when it was added in
[19:26] <xteejx> Will do...detective to the rescue......... hehe
[19:26] <geekosopher> devildante: and where should I ask him to get it from, if at all I should ask him to do so?
[19:26] <hggdh> njin: looking at it
[19:27] <devildante> geekosopher: all is explained here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[19:28] <geekosopher> devildante: reading the page
[19:32] <hggdh> njin: frankly, I do not know (don't know the DAV client being used, and how it integrates). I can see on the access.log some GETs for what seems the calendar entries
[19:32] <hggdh> but I do not know enough to tell you how to proceed
[19:33] <hggdh> njin: I see no errors being reported, though, but it seems that Apache is not being run with extended error logging
[19:33] <hggdh> njin: I do not even know if this is Apache-related, or DAV client-related, right now...
[19:35] <njin> hddgh: no problem, thanks, i go to search at developer site.
[19:36] <geekosopher> devildante: read the wiki page, and iirc, it is related to lucid... no info about maverick. Should I really be asking the reporter to do this?
[19:36] <slinker> bug 661753 medium
[19:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 661753 in gnome-nettool (Ubuntu) "ping does not work not history is saved and tracerout columns information is wrong (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/661753
[19:40]  * neriukas rado buga :D didziausia ubuntu klaida "ubuntu software center" :D
[19:43] <hggdh> slinker: I agree with the importance, but...
[19:43] <geekosopher> devildante: thanks for updating the tags :)
[19:43] <hggdh> slinker: there are actually 3 (!) different issues there!
[19:44] <hggdh> slinker: may I suggest you to open two new bugs on gnome-nettool, and split the three issues so that we have one bug per issue, one issue per bug?
[19:46] <hggdh> slinker: and you could say something like: "thank you for opening this bug and helping make Ubuntu better. I took the liberty of opening the additional bug  xxxx and yyyy for the issues of yadda and blahblah"
[19:47] <hggdh> slinker: "we cannot track multiple issues per bug. I also subscribed you to those new bugs, and adjusted the title on this one to one single issue"
[19:48] <hggdh> slinker: then I will be happy to mark the Importance on each one :-)
[19:49] <hggdh> slinker: finally, if you want to, you can blame me ;-)
[19:50] <devildante> geekosopher: yes, please ask him to do that
[19:50] <devildante> geekosopher: and you're welcome :)
[19:50] <geekosopher> devildante: right away!
[20:10] <geekosopher> devildante: done. hope the responses are okay
[20:11] <devildante> geekosopher: great, now set to confirmed. and before you ask why, it's the kernel team policy :p
[20:12] <geekosopher> argh! what?
[20:12] <geekosopher> devildante: you serious?
[20:13] <devildante> geekosopher: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BugTriage/BugStates and scroll to Confirmed bugs
[20:13] <devildante> rather to Incomplete bugs
[20:19] <geekosopher> devildante: okay, my bad... missed reading these parts :) Thanks for helping me discover
[20:20] <devildante> geekosopher: np, I was shocked too :p
[20:22]  * geekosopher is wondering why the resources are distributed between /Kernel and /KernelTeam
[20:25] <geekosopher> time for me to get into sleep mode... see you hggdh, devildante :)
[20:25] <devildante> bye :)
[20:25] <hggdh> geekosopher: see you, and thank you for heloing
[20:25] <hggdh> ohhh too late...
[20:34] <xteejx> bug 71684 - this is fixed in brasero but gnomebaker and dvd+rw-tools aren't
[20:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 71684 in gnomebaker (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Unable to burn multisession disk (heat: 14)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71684
[20:35] <xteejx> any ideas? (its really old)
[20:39] <penguin42> do they all use the same underlying library/tool ?
[20:40] <xteejx> Probably dvd+rw-tool (I'm guessing)
[21:04] <njin> hello, could someone set importance for this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/480903 thanks
[21:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 480903 in linux (Ubuntu) "canon iP4600 does not print; cnijfilter-common install failed (affects: 6) (heat: 30)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:06] <xteejx> njin: Done
[21:06] <njin> xteejx: thanks
[21:07] <xteejx> njin: no prob
[22:08] <jgr_> If I use 'ubuntu-bug' and if I choose 'Another problem', it simple exits
[22:08] <jgr_> If I go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu the 'report a bug' is a link to documentation about reporting bugs
[22:09] <penguin42> jgr_: Oh, it shouldn't exit
[22:09] <jgr_> So, after reading so many documents how to report a bug, I actually can not do that :-(
[22:09] <penguin42> jgr_: Hmm, what's the problem?
[22:10] <penguin42> jgr_: What was your original bug?
[22:11] <jgr_> It is related with a very small issue when installing a aspell dictionary in a fresh 10.10
[22:11] <penguin42> jgr_: OK, so do    ubuntu-bug aspell
[22:12] <jgr_> yes, I'm doing that
[22:12] <jgr_> thanks
[22:12] <penguin42> or if it's a particular dictionary package do ubuntu-bug aspell-whatever
[22:12] <jgr_> ubuntu-bug aspell-pt-pt
[22:12] <jgr_> :-)
[22:12] <jgr_> thanks penguin42
[22:12] <penguin42> jgr_: But that 'other problem' behaviour in ubuntu-bug is rather broken
[22:13] <jgr_> yeh, the 'other problem' should continue to some where
[22:13]  * penguin42 looks to see if it's already reported
[22:13] <njin> hello could someone set importance for this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/654791 thanks
[22:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 654791 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel oops - Winfast USB DTV Dongle (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:15] <penguin42> jgr_: Bug 653928 is the other problem bug
[22:15] <ubot2> penguin42: Bug 653928 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/653928 is private
[22:16] <penguin42> hmm
[22:16] <penguin42> bug 654928
[22:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 654928 in apport (Ubuntu) "application does not allow to report bugs concerning ubuntu in general (asks for PID if you try to report "other problems") (affects: 1) (heat: 497)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654928
[22:16] <penguin42> better
[22:21] <jgr_> I think it's not a bug in ubuntu-bug, but simple a feature that should be improved
[22:21] <penguin42> jgr_: I don't think so, the 'other problem' option must have been put in with the hope it would do something useful
[22:22] <jgr_> yeh, but probably not enough time to 'do something useful'
[22:23] <jgr_> I can be improved, definitely
[22:48] <penguin42> can someone suggest what to do with bug 656558 ? The original reporter is saying it's now working, however I doubt there was a bug fix that actually fixed it
[22:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 656558 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel panic on boot: cannot mount root fs (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656558
[22:53] <hggdh> penguin42: since we do not have the kernel data, I guess the only thing we can do is close it
[22:53] <penguin42> hggdh: Yeh I'm torn between invalid and fix-released though
[22:54] <hggdh> penguin42: I would go fix released, unknown fix
[22:54] <penguin42> ok
[23:18] <penguin42> bu 627487 is curious, it suggests the package just needs a rebuild (or there is a bug with libwx that is causing that)
[23:19] <penguin42> bug 627487 even
[23:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 627487 in wxwidgets2.8 (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "KiCad won't start (affects: 14) (dups: 2) (heat: 88)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627487
[23:27] <hggdh> yes, interesting. Perhaps one of the dependant packages has been updated?
[23:38] <penguin42> I guess for those users a rebuild of that package would be a nice fix, but it looks like maybe libwx something has changed and it needs fixing
[23:42] <hggdh> yes. If the version is the same, perhaps a changed compile option?
[23:44] <penguin42> it looks from that the symbol has been removed from the library
[23:45] <penguin42> actually, maybe symbol versioning stuff - now how does nm work with that...
[23:50] <penguin42> hmm annoying, can't see a way
[23:54] <hggdh> I wonder if rebuilding it on a builder (PPA, for example, or pbuilder) would show the same behaviour
[23:54] <hggdh> as opposed to a debuild within the user's environment
[23:56] <penguin42> I suspect it would, I think it's just the age of the wx library it was built against - but I don't understand what's happening to the symbol versioining to know why
[23:59] <penguin42> hggdh: The library is saying that symbol came in version 2.8.9 but for some reason KiCad is asking for it in 2.8 - that could be Kicad did something silly, the library used to declare it differently or the tools changed somewhere