[05:11] <swrich> ive tried installing lubuntu on an old laptop and it said i needed to update the lan driver and it threw up some type of name called b43 i have read about this but no where have i found out how to actually remedey the problem
[05:11] <Unit193> !b43
[05:12] <swrich> ill check that out right now
[05:13] <swrich> ive read that document. it only tells you how to do it in linux but obviously i havent been able to install linux yet until i update the driver. i need to do it while still in windows or through the bios
[05:15] <Unit193> Erm...
[05:26] <Unit193> swrich: What says exactly what?
[05:29] <swrich> i cant remember exactly. but it was somewhere along the line of "cant finish installing lubuntu, go to wireless.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/b43 and read the instructions carefully" which of course i did but it makes no sense because the instructoions tell you how to do it while in linux
[05:30] <Unit193> Yes, did you check the box that said to download updates while installing?  Normally it just installs, and you can install the wireless driver later.
[05:35] <swrich> no, i dont remember checking any boxes except for the english one
[07:27] <jozefk> Is lubuntu developed and supported by canonical?
[07:31] <Noskcaj> jozefk, Yes
[07:32] <Noskcaj> Everything is the same as Xubuntu in this case, except 12.04 isn't really an lts for lubuntu
[07:32] <Unit193> Not quite, same answer as in #xubuntu.
[07:33] <jozefk> For lubuntu LTS will be 14.04 only right?
[07:34] <Unit193> Right, that'll be the first one.
[07:35] <jozefk> So the difference is only in taste of users. If you like unity you go for Ubuntu if lxde then lubuntu and so on
[07:36] <jozefk> Interesting is that there are thousands of people on Ubuntu channel :)
[14:56] <STHGOM> aloooo
[14:58] <STHGOM> it might just be an old version on lubuntu-live but what comes up when im installing is different than this:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/InstallingLubuntu
[14:59] <STHGOM> and i need help
[15:01] <STHGOM> im trying to install lubuntu along side vista but all that comes up with the installation type it replace windows vista with lubuntu, or sometheing else where you have to create partitions yourself, and im not sure what partitions are...
[15:02] <STHGOM> vista is being wacky but all of the user files are still on it :c
[15:04] <STHGOM> on my lubuntu desktop there is "install lubuntu 13.04"
[15:04] <STHGOM> so i guess thats the verzion
[15:05] <STHGOM> can an 1 help?
[15:05] <STHGOM> any1
[15:08] <STHGOM> plz?
[15:08] <Unit193> 1.  Might want to try 13.10.  2.  Can you see a option on the desktop for that drive?  Can gparted find it?
[15:09] <STHGOM> for what drive?
[15:10] <STHGOM> im a noob so...
[15:10] <Unit193> That windows is on.
[15:10] <STHGOM> c:?
[15:11] <STHGOM> should i close the installer?
[15:13] <STHGOM> what is gparted?
[15:14] <Unit193> It's the partition editor, will show you what the drive looks like, basically.
[15:15] <STHGOM> it shows windows vista loader and window vista recovery
[15:15] <STHGOM> oh wait... just windows recovery enviroment
[15:16] <STHGOM> and the loader
[15:16] <Unit193> So Ubiquity, the installer, should find that as well.
[15:17] <STHGOM> the called the devices sda1 and sda2
[15:17] <STHGOM> theres also sda bt that dosn't show anything
[15:17] <STHGOM> perhaps i should shut up and listen
[15:21] <STHGOM> should i take a screenshot?
[15:22] <Unit193> STHGOM: I have to go now, but you should wait for someone else to step in, or if someone isn't here within 20minutes, try #ubuntu.
[15:22] <STHGOM> lol how do you take a screenshot with lubuntu?
[15:22] <STHGOM> ok
[15:22] <Unit193> Print screen key puts a screen shot in the Home folder.
[15:22] <STHGOM> k
[15:28] <STHGOM> http://imgur.com/VcqI4YN
[15:31] <STHGOM> maybe i should just wait for my big bro... :D
[15:33] <STHGOM> cya
[18:23] <Nindustries> So I installed lubunu 64bit on my Dell XPS 14. Sound isnt working, I only get HDMI out as an option.. suggestions?
[18:25] <Nindustries> Update; I reinstalled and now it shows Stereo, but no sound
[18:45] <ianorlin>  #lubuntu-offtopic
[18:47] <holstein> Nindustries: try pavucontrol
[18:48] <holstein> assuming you are OK adding pluse, which is also a troubleshooting step
[18:48] <holstein> you could try xubuntu live, since it has pulse, and go from there
[21:20] <Guest53395> Hey , how to enable root in lubuntu  ?? is there any way ?? can i apply this in Lubuntu http://handytutorial.com/enable-root-account-in-ubuntu-13-04-login-screen/
[21:20] <wxl> !root | Guest53395
[21:21] <Guest53395>  <ubottu> I want to login as root !!!
[21:22] <wxl> Guest53395: click the link. everything you need to know is there.
[21:25] <Guest53395> sudo passwd root only creates the password i want to login as root like in backtrack
[21:25] <Guest53395> PLz help
[21:26] <wxl> READ THE PAGE
 I read it
[21:26] <wxl> it tells you how
[21:26] <Guest53395> Where ???
[21:26] <wxl> on the page
[21:26] <wxl> try reading the whole thing
 Tell me HOw please ?!
[21:31] <Guest53395> ???
[21:31] <Guest53395> No one wants to help ???
[22:14] <genii> wxl: So much for trying to get them to help themselves....
[22:59] <circ1> hi
[23:00] <circ1> i want to ask a question about running python script in lubuntu...
[23:00] <wxl> should be the same as running python script anywhere
[23:01] <genii> circ1: Can you make your question more specific?
[23:01] <circ1> i want to run python scrip by double clicking ...
[23:04] <circ1> i dont want to run by typing python  test.py in terminal
[23:07] <circ1> can anyone help please?
[23:09] <zleap> chmod 755 test.py
[23:09] <zleap> i guess if you tell it to use python it will do that so first line i think is a line to tell it to use python
[23:10] <circ1> i typed chmod +x
[23:10] <zleap> #!/usr/bin/env python
[23:10] <zleap> ok did that work
[23:10] <circ1> it did not work
[23:10] <zleap> should go green, which is the shell colour for executable
[23:11] <zleap> what error do you get
[23:11] <zleap> try doing ./test.sh
[23:11] <zleap> maybe put #!/usr/bin/env python in the first line of the program
[23:11] <zleap> or #!/usr/bin/env python3 if you're using python3
[23:11] <circ1> i click on py file but nothing happens
[23:12] <zleap> run in the terminal then
[23:12] <ianorlin> what version of python
[23:12] <ianorlin> if you are using python 3 it has to use #!/usr/bin/env python3
[23:13] <circ1> i use python 2
[23:13] <zleap> it works here
[23:13] <ianorlin> you can do python the script name in terminal
[23:14] <zleap> if I do chmod +x file.py
[23:14] <zleap> then run ./file.py it runs it
[23:14] <ianorlin> that works too
[23:14] <circ1> can you run it by double clicking on it too?
[23:15] <zleap> maybe
[23:15] <zleap> but it will still open a terminal so what is the program doing
[23:15] <circ1> can you try double click method please?
[23:15] <zleap> unless its has gui components
[23:17] <circ1> i use raw_input() to keep terminal open....
[23:17] <zleap> ok
[23:17] <zleap> until the program reaches the end
[23:17] <zleap> as in you type something, it does what it needs to do with what you typed in then exits
[23:19] <circ1> with raw_input() it should stay open until i press enter...
[23:19] <zleap> yeah
[23:19] <zleap> or do inport time at the start of the program
[23:19] <zleap> then do time.sleep(5) and it will delay before exiting
[23:20] <circ1> can you try and tell me if you can run it by double clicking please?
[23:20] <zleap> i am getting tired so am going to sign off,  hope you fix this :)
[23:20] <zleap> chat later
[23:20] <ianorlin> then how would you open the file to edit it?
[23:21] <circ1> in a text editor....
[23:21] <ianorlin> I think first you need to right click on it and give it execute permissions in pcmanfm
[23:22] <circ1> i did
[23:24] <circ1> could you try it yourself please and tell me if it works?
[23:25] <circ1> i read on the internet that it works in ubuntu but i cant make it work in lubuntu
[23:33] <circ1> i just chmod and ran ./test.py in terminal but got error message
[23:33] <wxl> maybe you need to post up some results on pastebin
[23:35] <ianorlin> do you want a GUI to run python in?
[23:37] <circ1> i want to be able to run python scripts via gui not having to use terminal
[23:37] <ianorlin> !info idle
[23:37] <ianorlin> that will run them in GUI
[23:38] <ianorlin> and then I think you can right click open with idle probably
[23:38] <circ1> i know idle can ran it
[23:38] <wxl> well if you double click them, and the file association is set, it should run them out of terminal
[23:38] <wxl> if there are gui components in the script itself, it will run them
[23:38] <wxl> if you want a gui, build it
[23:39] <wxl> i wonder
[23:39] <wxl> !wxpython
[23:39] <wxl> nope don't know anything about that but that's the one
[23:39] <wxl> or one of them
[23:39] <wxl> http://www.wxpython.org/what.php
[23:39] <ianorlin> !info wxpython
[23:40] <wxl> yeah i don't know
[23:44] <wxl> !info pi
[23:44] <wxl> oops!
[23:44] <wxl> !info pip
[23:44] <wxl> argh what's it called
[23:44] <wxl> !info python-pip
[23:44] <wxl> that one
[23:44] <wxl> get that
[23:45] <wxl> do sudo pip install wxPython
[23:45] <wxl> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/wxPython/<IP_ADDRESS>
[23:55] <circ1> the strange thing is that if i type ./test.py it works but if i double click and choose run in terminal then the terminal opens with nothing in it
[23:56] <wxl> probably a file association issue
[23:56] <circ1> but i put #!/usr/bin/env python on top of file
[23:57] <wxl> i'm not in front of my lubuntu now but i'm thinking /etc/mailcap might help
[23:57] <wxl> you have it as a .sh?
[23:57] <ianorlin> make it a .py
[23:57] <wxl> well no
[23:58] <wxl> i was saying the .sh file association should be there
[23:58] <ianorlin> ah
[23:58] <wxl> if you run that with the #!/usr/bin/env python, it should run correctly
[23:58] <wxl> otherwise explicitly make an association for .py
[23:58] <wxl> you could right click and do open with another program, right?
[23:58] <ianorlin> I haven't done much with file association
[23:59] <wxl> i've only done with gui stuff, not necessarily scripting
[23:59] <circ1> i made it executable and it appears green in terminal


[19:15] <wxl> i'm planning an Ubuntu Oregon BoF at OSCON if anyone's around
[19:15] <wxl> they have cute linux northwest stickers here :)
[19:17] <sgclark> I will try to find it, will be helping libreoffice tomorrow
[19:19] <wxl> sgclark: yeah i had planned on tracking the libreoffice booth down tomorrow
[19:19] <wxl> i can't find a darn map of the expo hall which kind of sucks
[19:19] <sgclark> I am still newish to oregon, will have fun finding oscon hah
[19:20] <wxl> aw the convention center's kind of obvious
[19:20] <wxl> it's got these two huge pointy glass towers
[19:20] <wxl> kind of can't miss it :)
[19:20] <sgclark> cool :)
[19:20] <sgclark> coming from hillsboro
[19:20] <wxl> they have these little "networking flags" for your badge
[19:20] <wxl> i'm carting around a home-made "UbuntuOR" one :)
[19:21] <sgclark> nice :)
[19:21] <wxl> you coming officially tomorrow?
[19:21] <sgclark> yes
[19:21] <wxl> cool
[19:21] <wxl> i'm here all week
[19:22] <sgclark> ooh fun :)
[19:22] <wxl> i rode in on a friend's ticket as he's a speaker and i'm his assistant
[19:22] <sgclark> nice!
[19:22] <wxl> which was kind of nuts yesterday when he was doing a talk on data viz with html canvas, d3 and svg
[19:22] <wxl> i had to answer questions for people about something i had just learned about :)
[19:22] <sgclark> fun :)
[19:23] <wxl> yeah it worked out fairly well though. he's a good speaker so that helps :)
[19:23] <sgclark> very cool :)
[19:23] <wxl> we've got two more to look forward two which are more demos than tutorials: one on bluetooth le and one on data dashboards


[12:18] <Hobbsee> callie: network manager's supposed to do all that - but it's pretty buggy.  kde versoin is from svn - there are no packages for it
[12:19] <Hobbsee> so it'll be in dapper+1 (we hope!), but not dapper
[12:19] <Dreamstar> nope i think callie
[12:19] <Dreamstar> callie do u know how to achieve it ?
[12:19] <Dreamstar> frantic: stand by i look for it
[12:21] <callie>  Dreamstar i think what Hobbsee said is the best solution
[12:21] <callie> certainly worth a shot in any case
[12:22] <Dreamstar> so callie how should this script look? just one row with chmod 666 /dev/input/js0 ?
[12:22] <callie> just add that line to the  /etc/init.d Dreamstar
[12:23] <Dreamstar> frantic nevermind what i said before, i dunno where to look for gcc headers
[12:23] <Dreamstar> ok thx callie
[12:23] <callie> gcc headers should be available on apt
[12:23] <callie> i think
[12:24] <Dreamstar> yep callie i looked for headers on synaptic but it seems not to find them...maybe better download gcc again frantic, btw here on dapper i have gcc 4
[12:25] <dony> #kav
[12:28] <Hobbsee> Dreamstar: install kde-devel
[12:28] <Hobbsee> it's got everything in it
[12:29] <Dreamstar> i have it Hobbsee, it's frantic prob not mine ^^
[12:29] <Hobbsee> frantic: : install kde-devel
[12:29] <Hobbsee> ah
[12:29] <JakubS> Hobbsee: you mean there is kde frontend for network manager?
[12:30] <Hobbsee> JakubS: indeed, Riddell had it mentioned in his blog - you need to compile a few things from cvs for it though
[12:30] <Dreamstar> callie i created a sh file in init.d i called joystick.sh and in it i put "chmod /dev/input/js0" is it right? i'm a noob at shell scripting sorry :(
[12:30] <ryanakca> how do you find out what ports you have open?
[12:32] <callie> Dreamstar, make sure you make it executable
[12:32] <bimberi> ryanakca: i use 'sudo netstat -plunt'
[12:32] <callie> chmod +x joystick.sh Dreamstar
[12:33] <callie> and you meant chmod 666 /dev/input/js0 yeah?
[12:33] <Dreamstar> yep callie
[12:33] <Dreamstar> can u write the script for me? i dunno if i wrote it write or not :(
[12:35] <Dreamstar> (damn my english is going mad O__O) i meant "i dunno if i wrote it right or not"
[12:35] <callie> Dreamstar, just make sure that your scripts first line is  #!/bin/sh
[12:35] <Dreamstar> yep i did it so
[12:35] <callie> cool#
[12:35] <callie> you should be fine
[12:35] <Dreamstar> i need also to put an "echo" before chmod?
[12:36] <Dreamstar> or echo is just for text like php?
[12:36] <callie> echo is not needed
[12:36] <Dreamstar> ok thx i'll try it now, thank u very much!:)
[12:38] <callie> Dreamstar, http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/578185
[12:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> back
[12:38] <callie> hey Kamping_Kaiser
[12:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi callie
[12:38] <[Vampis] > wb
[12:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> ty
[12:39] <callie> My local linux group are meeting tonight, dunno if i should go or not
[12:40] <callie> i dont wanna seem like a total noob
[12:40] <Hobbsee> callie: you wont
[12:40] <callie> compared to them i might
[12:40] <Hobbsee> well, if you do, you'll learn something
[12:40] <Hobbsee> adn then you'll seem even less like a noob
[12:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> callie: go to the meeting
[12:40] <callie> although it seems like they drink a lot so maybe they wont notoce
[12:40] <Hobbsee> besides, you can be new - just not an idiot who doesnt want to learn
[12:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's an awosme experiance (here anyway)
[12:41] <callie> where are you Kamping_Kaiser ?
[12:41] <callie> it'll be like IRC but real!
[12:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[12:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> austraila
[12:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> *s
[12:42] <callie> cool
[12:42] <JakubS> Hobbsee: do you  where can i find knetworkmanager code? all i found are screenshots :-(
[12:42] <callie> London here
[12:42] <callie> so Dreamstar, any luck?
[12:42] <Hobbsee> JakubS: svn somewhere
[12:42] <Hobbsee> google found some links when i looked earlier - not sure if they're accurate or not
[12:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> callie: cool
[12:43] <Dreamstar> caliie negative :( it looks like during boot there were not permissions to execute chmod :(
[12:45] <coz> Hello to all
[12:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi coz
[12:45] <Dreamstar> any clues callie?
[12:46] <Dreamstar> hello coz
[12:46] <coz> Hey guys
[12:46] <coz> maybe you can help
[12:46] <coz> I am trying to gain write provledges to /etc/modprobe.d/aliases
[12:46] <coz> in KDE
[12:46] <callie> Dreamstar, ah, you may have to create the script as root
[12:46] <coz> I know nothing about kde and what I have tried failed
[12:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> er
[12:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> why?
[12:46] <Dreamstar> i did it so callie
[12:46] <callie> hmmmm
[12:46] <coz> I think I may have wrong commands
[12:47] <coz>  is it kedit
[12:47] <Hobbsee> kwrite
[12:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> coz: open a konsole and use `sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/aliases`
[12:47] <coz> KK let me try hold on
[12:48] <coz> damn didn;t wrk on this distro
[12:48] <Dreamstar> callie: well i think i should do chmod each time i start the system...ehehe :)
[12:49] <LeeJunFan> considering that xorg7 supports accelerated ATI 3D natively now, do I still need the fglrx driver for xgl, compiz?
[12:49] <LeeJunFan> for dapper of course.
[12:49] <coz> LeeJunFan have you tried the how to for xgl?
[12:50] <callie> Dreamstar, put that script you wrote in /sbin and you can call it with one command as root
[12:50] <LeeJunFan> coz, yes and no. I followed it with the standard driver and it comes up with a corrupted display at kdm start, I have a vanilla (home compiled) kernel <IP_ADDRESS>, and also <IP_ADDRESS> and fglrx from ati won't compile for either of those.
[12:51] <coz> let me give you2 urls incase you didn't see them hold on
[12:51] <Dreamstar> callie but always at boot?
[12:51] <Dreamstar> if i put in sbin it will be loaded at boot as root?
[12:51] <callie> no i mean manually for the moment Dreamstar
[12:52] <callie> just to save you having to type it out all the time Dreamstar
[12:52] <LeeJunFan> coz: I got the url from ubotu, and found 2 other's on ubuntu.com as well.
[12:52] <coz> LeeJunFan http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=131267     [WWW]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto
[12:52] <coz> sorry
[12:52] <Dreamstar> ah ok i can run it as root each time even from etc/init.d :)
[12:53] <callie> Dreamstar, yeah you can but you need to put in the path each time, putting it in /sbin means you dont ;)
[12:53] <callie> try it Dreamstar you'll see what i mean
[12:53] <callie> you can just simlink it to /sbin if you prefer
[12:54] <Dreamstar> ahhhhhhhhh i understood!!! thx :))))
[12:55] <ubijtsa2> Hentai^XP: windows has security?
[12:55] <Hentai^XP> ubijtsa want to know your take on it
[12:55] <callie> no worries Dreamstar glad i could help, sort of ;)
[12:56] <ubijtsa2> what do I think of it? Windows itself is overpriced (compared to the competition) and require all sorts of commercial bolt-ons to even be contemplated to be hooked up to the net..
[12:56] <ubijtsa2> security wise - it is a nightmare. but it keeps me in a job.
[12:57] <ubijtsa2> I am *not* saying that Linux distros don't have holes and security issues, but in the grand scheme of things, M$ should be spanked for their shoddy security track record
[12:58] <callie> ubijtsa, its a sad fact that if windows worked properly there would be mass unemployment
[12:58] <ubijtsa2> callie: I am aware of that
[12:58] <callie> ubijtsa, i was concuring with you
[12:58] <dingo> that is like saying littering creates jobs - sophisty my firend
[12:59] <ubijtsa2> I am not a M$ fanboy (can you tell?) but I am not blinkered by hate either..
[12:59] <callie> dingo, it does, it just doesnt make it right
[12:59] <LeeJunFan> well, most of windows problems really relies on the stupidity of the users, as long as people tell their OS to run a virus someone sends them in e-mail there will be viruses on ANY OS, unless you want an OS that doesn't do what you tell it to. :p
[12:59] <ubijtsa2> I avoid Windows because from a usability perspective - it sucks
[12:59] <dingo> :) littering doesn't create jobs, it creates a dirty city
[01:00] <LeeJunFan> Windows just makes it easy for viruses to kill the whole system.
[01:00] <Hentai^XP> ubijtsa not really
[01:00] <callie> ok i must be imagining all those workers who clean the city then dingo
[01:00] <ubijtsa2> Hentai^XP: from _my_ perspective - it sucks gigantic elephant balls :)
[01:00] <dingo> I do think Ubuntu is one step closer to moving non-nerds from Windows - hell I'm installing it for non-tech-savvy members of my family instead of Windows
[01:01] <callie> my mother's 60 and Ubuntu made more sense to her than windows did, i was shocked
[01:01] <ubijtsa2> XP is the best of a bad lot from Redmond, but for me - it is only good for flashing firmware and running Quicken
[01:01] <callie> plus she said it was prettier, which seemed to calm her down from her technophobia
[01:02] <ubijtsa2> and now I don't need Quicken anymore
[01:02] <LeeJunFan> linux is great until one of those users you install it for needs an app or game only winblows has.
[01:02] <dingo> callie:  there is room in budgets for a cetain number, creating litter will just mean it will take longer for the resources of society to clean up the litter or pull resources fromsomewhere else - no jobs are created, just other job resources are devoted to the new task of cleaning (hence the reference to sophistry in the two arguements)
[01:03] <dingo> I've already looked at what apps are used, I think Ubuntu can safely handle emails and websurfing
[01:03] <LeeJunFan> I'm perfectly happy running my personal and business accounts on kmymoney or gnucash.
[01:03] <ubijtsa2> Hentai^XP: ask me if I care.. >:)
[01:04] <Hentai^XP> do you care?
[01:04] <callie> dingo, you're the one who used the litterin analogy, next time try not putting words in other peoples mouths only to argue against them, its weak way to form an argument
[01:04] <ubijtsa2> njet
[01:04] <LeeJunFan> My wife can do linux okay, my kids (and myself) like games that are windows only, my parents have too many apps like streets, home designer, etc, that don't have a linux counterpart.
[01:05] <ubijtsa2> Windows has *consistently* been the biggest source of headache in all jobs
[01:06] <dingo> i put it forward as a analogous arguement - you adopted the position it does create jobs
[01:06] <LeeJunFan> ubijtsa2: yes, and those headaches translate to money for people in the know.
[01:06] <dingo> and I think that is a record for me personally to have IRC decend into a pure time waster :)
[01:06] <ubijtsa2> when working with SANs, windows was the only OS where things had to be done by hand. all others could be automated.
[01:07] <callie> i never said it created jobs, only that without it people would lose their jobs dingo
[01:07] <dingo> for that I apologise and am sorry
[01:07] <ubijtsa2> LeeJunFan: if you are a masochist - perhaps :)
[01:09] <Hentai^XP> unix sysadmin and you say secuirty is bad on windows?
[01:09] <Hentai^XP> note
[01:09] <Hentai^XP> 2k and up
[01:09] <Hentai^XP> I hate 98
[01:09] <Hentai^XP> 9x
[01:09] <ubijtsa2> you say win2k was secure?
[01:10] <Hentai^XP> no I'm stating whats wrong with teh secuirty model on windows 2k and up
[01:10] <Hentai^XP> sorry b
[01:10] <Hentai^XP> better wording
[01:11] <callie> we use windows for our broadcast systems all they esentially do is control other dedicated hardware but they seem to do the job
[01:11] <Hentai^XP> ubijtsa also what SAN tech?
[01:12] <ubijtsa2> Hentai^XP: virtualisation
[01:13] <Russel> the maintainer of kmail here?
[01:13] <ubijtsa2> anyway.. way OT now, and I have a job that needs my attention..
[01:13] <LeeJunFan> Windows vs Linux doesn't matter what's better anyway, we all know betamax was superior to VHS, it's all about timing and marketing money.
[01:14] <Hentai^XP> LeeJunFan meh
[01:14] <callie> like laserdisc and dvd LeeJunFan
[01:15] <JakubS> yup, and we all see on which side almost all marketing money is in linux vs windows war
[01:15] <Hentai^XP> ok basic question for you guys
[01:16] <Hentai^XP> whats windows fail on?
[01:16] <LeeJunFan> callie: well DVD did have something going for it, you can order them from netflix and they'll actually fit in your mailbox :)
[01:16] <ubijtsa2> Hentai^XP: ask a kubuntu question instead..
[01:17] <Hentai^XP> ubijtsa2 don't use it, and since more people are talking about it in here than in offtopic
[01:18] <callie> lol, yes, they where rather large LeeJunFan
[01:19] <JakubS> i wonder what brings you here then
[01:19] <tomas_> hi everyone
[01:20] <visit0r> I got a very annoying bug with Kubuntu Dapper: I cannot unlock the screen anymore? Is there anyone willing to debug it with me right now or should I file a bug report?
[01:20] <tomas_> i need help with vloopback, anyone?
[01:20] <Hentai^XP> JakubS mutal learning mostly
[01:20] <JakubS> btw: since some time kde takes *long* time to react to 'log out', i wonder what is causing that
[01:21] <tomas_> :'(
[01:21] <Hobbsee> visit0r: i think someone's mentioned it before - not sure if' they've filed a bug for it
[01:21] <Hobbsee> workaround is to restart kdm, i assume
[01:21] <Hobbsee> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[01:21] <visit0r> it's not
[01:22] <Hobbsee> ubijtsa2: heh
[01:22] <visit0r> I tried reboot also
[01:22] <Hobbsee> oh?
[01:22] <ubijtsa2> Hobbsee: aah, p&c :)
[01:22] <visit0r> I suspect that it might have something to do with me changing my last name in the Setting from 'Jskelinen' to 'Jaaskelainen' due to messed up scandinavian letters.
[01:22] <ubijtsa2> s/c/q/
[01:22] <visit0r> might also be totally unrelated...
[01:22] <Hobbsee> got no idea - i dotn get that problem
[01:23] <tomas_> anyone?
[01:23] <tomas_> :'(
[01:23] <ubijtsa2> err.. Notes for Linux.. Native nonetheless...
[01:23] <Hobbsee> argh damn
[01:23] <ubijtsa2> *shudder*
[01:23] <Hobbsee> tomas_: all the stuff that i said for visit0r was supposed to be for you - those 3 liines
[01:24] <tomas_> Hobbsee: ah, sorry. as you may know firewire camcorders doesnt work with kopete or amsn
[01:24] <Hobbsee> i didnt, but ok
[01:25] <tomas_> Hobbsee: cause they only work with v4l devices. there are something called vloopback that enables you to take a stream and pipe it. like taking the stream from the firewire camcorder and turn it into a v4l stream or something like that
[01:27] <tomas_> :/
[01:28] <visit0r> Hobbsee: OK, I filed a bug report...
[01:28] <jind> Does anybody here know how to access a phone in konqueror which is connected via infrared? The connection is already working via another program. I think it should be possible with the obex:/ protocol, but I have not yet succeded setting up a working link in konqueror.
[01:28] <Hobbsee> did you assign it?
[01:28] <jind> Does anybody know how to do this?
[01:28] <visit0r> Hobbsee: no
[01:29] <Hobbsee> assign it to kubuntu-bugs
[01:31] <JakubS> ah sorry, you meant infrared not bluetooth
[01:32] <visit0r> Hobbsee: eh, tried, but it whines that " There are 1  problems with the information you entered. Please fix them and try again." but it does not say what's the problem ;-)
[01:32] <visit0r> Hobbsee: anyways, I reported it under 'kdm' so it should be easy to find.
[01:32] <Hobbsee> want to give me the link?
[01:33] <visit0r> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/33257
[02:00] <BarOne> Hi Hi can anyone help me please? I updated with adept, and then when I rebooted X wouldn't start.. I'm using an nvidia card...... :(
[02:01] <pulver> what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[02:03] <BarOne> pulver : it says that at the end http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/578277
[02:03] <BarOne> That it can't load the nvidia kernel module.. but lsmod says it's loaded...
[02:07] <meduxa>   hi all, can anybody help me? What and where is the doc I have to read to know about notify bugs and find logs in kubuntu. My intention is to define a protocol for the call center of linux edu distribution mEDUXa (Canary Islands, Spain) in order to recieve logs of the system when an user have a problem. Once we have identified the bug, if it's a kubuntu bug (or KDE, or debian), report it to the kubuntu bugzilla
[02:08] <Hobbsee> !bugs
[02:08] <Hobbsee> !chat logs
[02:08] <ubotu> Hobbsee: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:08] <pulver> BarOne: i don't have an nvidia card in this box, but are you sure you got all drivers installed xserver-xorg-driver-nv etc...
[02:09] <BarOne> pulver: yea, pretty sure. I made sure that I installed the nvidia-kernel-common with the same kernel version as I have.. Thanks for the help though...
[02:09] <Hobbsee> meduxa: launchpad.net for bugs, and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ for logs (and the link off that)
[02:11] <pulver> BarOne: yea sry i couldn't be any help.. anyway reminds me to install kubuntu on the other box with the nvidia card
[02:21] <meduxa> does kubuntu have a bugzilla or an app like that or user write the bugs directly on the wiki?
[02:22] <meduxa> I see there is a guide to report bugs
[02:27] <meduxa> Hobbsee: thanks
[03:08] <tijn> hey all
[03:08] <kosh> hello life form
[03:09] <jjesse> i was wondering if anyone could help me get printing setup on dapper?  i run into problems every time i try to add a printer
[03:10] <kosh> sorry no idea on that one, I have not dealt with printers in a long time and those I have dealt with are postscript over a network which are trivial
[03:11] <jjesse> getting an error that i can't connect to the CUPS server (running dapper)
[03:44] <_hupp3l> is there a way I can put my laptop into suspend or even hybernation in ubuntu???
[03:45] <jjesse> _hupp3l: when i close the lid or hit the fn key for stand by my laptop goes into suspsend
[03:45] <jjesse> have you checked the wiki page that corresponds to your laptop model?
[03:46] <_hupp3l> hmm no where is that?
[03:46] <jjesse> start at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam
[03:46] <_hupp3l> I have an HP L2000
[03:46] <_hupp3l> ah thank you
[03:48] <_hupp3l> hmm so yours does it automatically? Im  getting the idea my laptop only turns off the screen
[03:48] <jjesse> _hupp3l: yeah it does it automaitcally but i'm running dapper so i don't know if there is a difference
[03:49] <_hupp3l> o me too but i think i just figured it out. thank you
[03:49] <jjesse> awesome
[03:52] <linuxboyfriend> hi all
[03:53] <linuxboyfriend> i was configuring some package and I get this error: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!: how can I solve this problem?
[03:55] <linuxboyfriend> can anyone help me about that Qt error!
[03:56] <kosh> try   sudo apt-get instlal qt3-dev-tools
[03:56] <Tm_T> linuxboyfriend: what you were configuring?
[03:56] <linuxboyfriend> kosh: ok, lemme try :)
[03:57] <linuxboyfriend> Tm_T: I am a student of Economics and I have many softwares (economics) which are not available on repositories
[03:58] <Tm_T> linuxboyfriend: ok
[03:59] <oursblanc1024> hello
[03:59] <linuxboyfriend> Tm_T: np
[03:59] <linuxboyfriend> Tm_T: you can ask, its your right :D
[03:59] <Tm_T> linuxboyfriend: I thought maybe "apt-get build-dep foo" helps in your case ;)
[03:59] <Tm_T> but maybe not
[04:00] <oursblanc1024> i need help
[04:00] <Tm_T> !helpme
[04:00] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[04:00] <oursblanc1024> :)
[04:00] <oursblanc1024> i can't record on my kubuntu
[04:00] <oursblanc1024> sounds
[04:02] <linuxboyfriend> oursblanc1024: me too :)
[04:02] <linuxboyfriend> oursblanc1024: but i dont care
[04:02] <oursblanc1024> heee it works
[04:02] <oursblanc1024> sorry
[04:03] <oursblanc1024> i think i can't help you linuxboyfriend  i am french and my english is soo bad
[04:04] <linuxboyfriend> oursblanc1024: no, i dont want recording on my kubuntu, if I want, I can figure everyting by myself
[04:04] <oursblanc1024> ok
[04:05] <linuxboyfriend> oursblanc1024: english is also not my native language but I am good in english
[04:05] <oursblanc1024> cool, i have to learn
[04:05] <oursblanc1024> it's so useful
[04:06] <linuxboyfriend> oursblanc1024: i learnt english by watch a large number of movies :D
[04:06] <oursblanc1024> ok :)
[04:06] <oursblanc1024> where are you from linuxboyfriend ?
[04:06] <linuxboyfriend> oursblanc1024: somewhere in Asia
[04:07] <linuxboyfriend> oursblanc1024: :o
[04:07] <tijn> and you screw penguins?
[04:07] <oursblanc1024> :)
[04:07] <oursblanc1024> wait a minute, i run kdict :)
[04:07] <linuxboyfriend> tijn: a lot
[04:07] <tijn> linux   Boyfriend :D
[04:07] <tijn> or 1 penguin :D
[04:08] <linuxboyfriend> i love my nick :)
[04:11] <linuxboyfriend> Tm_T: no, the problem is still there (checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!)
[04:12] <oursblanc1024> i go practise my english i becom later, see you soon, linuxfriends
[04:12] <abri> Can anyone suggest a picassa-like program for linux?
[04:12] <abri> (It runs ok under wine, but I prefer native)
[04:13] <linuxboyfriend> abri: i never use picassa, but you can check gimp
[04:13] <linuxboyfriend> abri: its awsome
[04:15] <abri> linuxboyfriend: Well, I'm more looking for the image management side of things. Gimp is a great image editor, but it has no sorting functions...
[04:15] <abri> I'm looking for something along the lines of iPhoto/Picassa/Adobe Bridge
[04:17] <abri> (btw. Is it just me, or is electricsheep.org down?)
[04:18] <arrinmurr> abri: try fspot or digikam
[04:19] <abri> arrinmurr: mm, cool, haven't heard of them before. Thanks :)
[04:20] <arrinmurr> abri: or actually, it's f-spot, not fspot ;)
[04:20] <allee> abri: digikam is cool ;)
[04:21] <aolbrich> Hallo Tag auch an alle
[04:21] <abri> These look great, Thanks!
[04:24] <aolbrich> Hy To all
[04:25] <abri> I was also wondering how easy it is to update to dapper (or at least to it's current state) using apt-get?
[04:37] <me2win> hey
[04:43] <linuxboyfriend> what name should I give to install qt3
[04:43] <grajkoo> hi all... i have litlle question..
[04:43] <grajkoo> how to check what process use dev/dsp ?
[04:44] <grajkoo> after testing my sound card by cedega - i havent sound in linux :( even when im restart  removing cedega and all its sessions
[04:45] <me2win> linuxboyfriend: not sure
[04:45] <me2win> grajkoo: not sure
[04:46] <linuxboyfriend> me2win: so you were not talking to me :)
[04:46] <kosh> sudo lsof /dev/dsp
[04:46] <kosh> if lsof is not install then do sudo apt-get install lsof    first
[04:46] <me2win> linuxboyfriend: heh i was, i wasn't sure about either question heh
[04:46] <linuxboyfriend> me2win: hmm, strange
[04:47] <grajkoo> kosh: thx
[04:47] <grajkoo> kosh: i have installed lsof - but after use your command.. i havent any results :/
[04:48] <grajkoo> i have tried use livecd - and chceck that souds works fine.. ( cable is connected too )
[04:49] <melonipoika> Hi all
[04:50] <melonipoika> I am having problems when trying to view my partitions in konqueror
[04:50] <linked> #ubuntu
[04:50] <me2win> melonipoika: elaborate, plz
[04:50] <melonipoika> I think it is a problem of kioslaves, or mounting partitions...my system:/media is empty
[04:51] <samoura> hello
[04:51] <samoura> :P i got WINDOWS XP and Linux :P
[04:51] <samoura> :P i got WINDOWS XP 64 bit
[04:51] <melonipoika> if I type /media, then i can see the mouted partitions
[04:52] <melonipoika> but if I click on the usb icon in system:/media, I get an error
[04:52] <me2win> is it mounted properly?
[04:52] <samoura> #window
[04:52] <melonipoika> yes
[04:53] <samoura> what is the irc channal window ?
[04:53] <samoura> for window :S?
[04:53] <melonipoika> If i access it from /media/sda1, no problem
[04:53] <samoura> #windows
[04:53] <sorush20> guys how do I get my kubuntu tool bar on the desktop to look like mac os  and for the icons to grow when I role over them?
[04:53] <sorush20> I have installed Raleigh
[04:54] <me2win> samoura: #windows
[04:54] <sorush20> but my menu task bar is still kde
[04:54] <me2win> sorush20: you have to run it
[04:59] <sorush20> I have install Baghria but I don't know how to run it..
[04:59] <me2win> oh you installed baghira?
[05:00] <me2win> baghira is a window decoration
[05:00] <me2win> if you go to the appearance settings
[05:00] <me2win> then window decoration
[05:01] <me2win> you can set the drop down menu to baghira
[05:07] <Crowbar> !xgl
[05:07] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[05:08] <Crowbar> Any instrutctions on how to get XGL going on KDE?
[05:08] <me2win> what kind of card?
[05:09] <Crowbar> nvidia
[05:09] <me2win> what model?
[05:09] <Crowbar> Geforce FX5500
[05:09] <me2win> ah
[05:09] <me2win> you'll probably waaannt...
[05:10] <me2win> might want fglrx
[05:10] <me2win> unless you WANT xgl?
[05:11] <Crowbar> no, it works with the nvidia driver.  It's just all the instructions tell you how to install it with gnome and not kde.
[05:11] <me2win> ah
[05:11] <me2win> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto
[05:11] <me2win> that one right there has instructions for both
[05:12] <Russel> !win32
[05:12] <ubotu> Russel: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:12] <Crowbar> me2win: it has directions for both right up until i have to change the config files.
[05:13] <me2win> !win32codecs
[05:13] <ubotu> win32codecs is probably binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[05:13] <Russel> thx
[05:13] <me2win> Russel: looking for that?
[05:13] <Russel> win32codecs for dapper
[05:13] <matteo> hi
[05:13] <matteo> there is a graphic tool that sets up network interfaces?
[05:14] <tijn> erhm
[05:14] <me2win> samba?
[05:14] <Russel> mhhh the codecs on the page are only for breezy
[05:14] <Russel> me2win: some codecs for dapper?
[05:15] <me2win> Russel: for dapper, there are some in the repos
[05:15] <Russel> name?
[05:15] <me2win> go into adept and search for win32codecs
[05:16] <me2win> they work fine for me
[05:16] <Russel> nope
[05:16] <me2win> do you have dapper repos?
[05:16] <Russel> could you give me your sources.list?
[05:16] <me2win> !repo
[05:16] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, me2win
[05:16] <Russel> i think so, but not sure
[05:16] <me2win> !repos
[05:16] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[05:16] <me2win> second one
[05:16] <me2win> 6666
[05:17] <Al-Daja> !shortcut
[05:17] <Al-Daja> !shortcuts
[05:17] <grajkoo> me2win: nice bot :)
[05:17] <me2win> grajkoo: heh yeah, ubotu2win
[05:17] <me2win> you rock ubotu
[05:17] <Al-Daja> !desktopshortcut
[05:17] <ubotu> Al-Daja: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:17] <me2win> Al-Daja: what are you looking for?
[05:18] <noteventime> ubotu: How are you?
[05:18] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, noteventime
[05:18] <Al-Daja> how to creat desktop shortcut
[05:18] <noteventime> to apps?
[05:18] <Al-Daja> apps?
[05:18] <noteventime> applications
[05:18] <me2win> if you right click on an icon in the applications menu
[05:18] <Al-Daja> yes and no
[05:18] <me2win> there is an option to send it to the desktop
[05:19] <noteventime> right click -> new -> link to applications
[05:19] <Russel> me2win: sourcelist doesn't help
[05:19] <Al-Daja> may you call aplications
[05:19] <me2win> Russel: did you update the list?
[05:19] <me2win> refresh it?
[05:19] <Russel> jep
[05:19] <Al-Daja> i download some programs but i only can run them by terminal
[05:19] <Al-Daja> i want to run them by shortcuts
[05:20] <Al-Daja> any ideia?
[05:21] <me2win> well
[05:21] <me2win> you can create an icon
[05:21] <me2win> and tell it to run a command
[05:21] <tijn> Al-Daja- press alt F2
[05:21] <tijn> and type xhost +
[05:21] <tijn> ow wait, i think you mean something else
[05:22] <Al-Daja> what i hell i do it now?
[05:22] <Al-Daja> what a hell i do it now?
[05:22] <tijn> your sentence still doesnt make much sense :)
[05:22] <Al-Daja> xhost +?
[05:22] <Al-Daja> what is that?
[05:23] <me2win> lol
[05:23] <Russel> me2win: can you please post your sources.list?
[05:23] <me2win> Al-Daja: what program are you trying to run?
[05:23] <tijn> well, i though you wanted to run a program from a terminal
[05:23] <me2win> Russel: sure
[05:23] <noteventime> !pastebin
[05:23] <ubotu> somebody said pastebin was a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar :)
[05:23] <tijn> and this didnt work
[05:23] <Al-Daja> me2win: wait
[05:24] <Al-Daja> epic4 for example me2win
[05:25] <tijn> whats that?
[05:26] <Al-Daja> a script
[05:26] <Al-Daja> irc script
[05:26] <Russel> ?
[05:26] <Al-Daja> i found several in kubuntu i want to test them
[05:27] <tomcatt> hello all...
[05:27] <noteventime> 'ello
[05:27] <Russel> waiting for the sources.list
[05:27] <DaveQB> what package has the konqueror right click ..... copy to.. move to... add ons ??
[05:27] <me2win> Russel: http://me2win.pastebin.com/578569
[05:27] <Russel> thx
[05:28] <Crowbar> !xgl
[05:28] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[05:28] <tomcatt> how do I update the graphics driver in this old pavilion zv5000 laptop?
[05:29] <tomcatt> it uses ati
[05:29] <noteventime> hehe
[05:29] <noteventime> !ati
[05:29] <ubotu> I heard ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[05:29] <tomcatt> sweet.  thanks guys.
[05:29] <noteventime> np
[05:30] <Al-Daja> anyone?  any idea?
[05:30] <tomcatt> !ati
[05:30] <ubotu> ati is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[05:31] <noteventime> Al-Daja: What was the question
[05:31] <Russel> me2win: i don't know where you get your win32codecs, but they are not in the official repos
[05:31] <Al-Daja> noteventime: to create a shortcut in the desktop to run a program without acessing the terminal
[05:31] <DaveQB> russel w32codec
[05:32] <me2win> oh crap
[05:32] <me2win> russ
[05:32] <me2win> my bad
[05:32] <me2win> lol
[05:32] <me2win> its w32
[05:32] <me2win> not win32
[05:32] <me2win> im sorry
[05:32] <me2win> LOL
[05:32] <tomas_> anyway knows about vloopback?
[05:32] <noteventime> Al-Daja: Right click -> create new -> link to application
[05:32] <DaveQB> yeah, got me too :)
[05:32] <me2win> Russel: my bad, im not paying attention, lol
[05:32] <DaveQB> sorry tomas_
[05:32] <Russel> apt-cache search gives me only mingw32
[05:32] <tomas_> :(
[05:32] <Russel> no win32codecs
[05:32] <Al-Daja> noteventime: hte programs are in the aplications, only can access them by terminal
[05:33] <DaveQB> w32codecs Russel
[05:33] <me2win> w32codecs
[05:33] <Russel> nothing
[05:33] <DaveQB> need extra repos to get w32codec, wont be in official
[05:33] <me2win> apt-get update
[05:33] <noteventime> Al-Daja: Mark "run in terminal"
[05:33] <Russel> DaveQB: repo for dapper please
[05:33] <Russel> me2win: did it several times
[05:34] <me2win> Russel: try it in adept
[05:34] <DaveQB> Russel:  sorry ?
[05:34] <Russel> gives me not more search results
[05:34] <Russel> i need a rep for dapper for w32codecs
[05:34] <Al-Daja> noteventime: lol you didn't understand me, i can only run them by terminal, what i want is to create a shortcut to run them in the desktop
[05:35] <noteventime> Russel: PLF
[05:35] <Al-Daja> noteventime:  without  have to find it in the terminal
[05:35] <me2win> Russel: did you try it in adept?
[05:35] <DaveQB> Russel: why not grab them from mplayer's website then and dump them in the right folder ?? all done then
[05:35] <DaveQB> i think you simply unpack them into /usr/lib/w32
[05:35] <me2win> DaveQB: i sent him my repos, and i have w32codecs available, but he doesnt
[05:36] <noteventime> Al-Daja: When creating "link to applications" tick the box "run in terminal"
[05:36] <Al-Daja> ok
[05:37] <seicherlbob> hi there! Is there a way to set a keybinding for the K-Menu? (like in windows the start-menu?) where can i set it?
[05:37] <seicherlbob> or at all, where can i set keybindings?
[05:37] <DaveQB> Russel: http://www.linux-sxs.org/multimedia/mplayer.html
[05:37] <DaveQB> Russel: step 3
[05:37] <noteventime> seicherlbob: khotkeys i think
[05:38] <noteventime> seicherlbob: or something similar
[05:38] <Russel> can somebody explain why i have them not in the repo?
[05:38] <Russel> noteventime: ?
[05:38] <seicherlbob> noteventime: thanks, ill check that
[05:38] <noteventime> Russel: sure
[05:38] <noteventime> Russel: One minute
[05:38] <_b> !flash
[05:38] <ubotu> restricted is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[05:39] <seicherlbob> noteventime: "hotkeys is probably crashed".... sound great, he?
[05:39] <noteventime> Russel: deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free
[05:39] <noteventime> seicherlbob: Haha, irritating
[05:39] <Russel> noteventime: i need them for dapper
[05:39] <noteventime> Russel: Those worj with dpper too
[05:40] <noteventime> Russel: For me anyway
[05:40] <Russel> thx
[05:40] <noteventime> Russel: NP
[05:41] <noteventime> hehe
[05:41] <seicherlbob> noteventime: any suggestions?
[05:42] <noteventime> seicherlbob: Maybe search for an alternative, il take a look
[05:42] <seicherlbob> noteventime: thanks... I'll look too.
[05:43] <me2win> anybody know what i need to do ti fix this? http://me2win.pastebin.com/578598
[05:44] <Al-Daja> confirme this, everything that i download go to usr/bin?
[05:45] <noteventime> me2win: have you installed kdelibs?
[05:45] <p_k> my fcking xmms crashes all the time -.- ( its not listed in the process list... )
[05:45] <noteventime> p_k: Use amaroK? :D
[05:45] <seicherlbob> noteventime: what about keytouch on sourceforge?
[05:45] <p_k> noteventime nah, xmms
[05:45] <me2win> noteventime: yeah
[05:45] <p_k> amarok cant play my stream ;)
[05:46] <noteventime> seicherlbob: I was looking att that onr too
[05:46] <noteventime> seicherlbob: I don't know if it works for "normal" keys though
[05:46] <p_k> but how can i kill it? i have no pid :(
[05:46] <noteventime> ksysguarf
[05:46] <noteventime> ksysguard*
[05:46] <trappist> killall amarokapp
[05:47] <trappist> or xmms
[05:47] <p_k> trappist its xmms ;)
[05:47] <p_k> ah
[05:47] <seicherlbob> noteventime: i have a Thinkpad... so i'd like to assign those "special" keys anyway to some commands
[05:47] <p_k> im gonna try :)
[05:47] <p_k> aah thx trappist :)
[05:47] <noteventime> seicherlbob: Ahh, ok... Then its ok, it's on the repos too
[05:48] <seicherlbob> repos?
[05:48] <noteventime> seicherlbob: tpb sounds even better
[05:49] <noteventime> repos = reposetrys. It's availible in apt
[05:49] <seicherlbob> noteventime: ah... well, synaptic cant find it
[05:50] <noteventime> seicherlbob: hmmm, probably becuase i use dapper
[05:50] <seicherlbob> the new one? mmmhhh
[05:50] <noteventime> seicherlbob: try searching for tpb, its designed for thinkpads
[05:50] <noteventime> seicherlbob: Yes dapper is the next version of dapper.
[05:51] <seicherlbob> noteventime: sorry, too stupid
[05:51] <noteventime> seicherlbob: ?
[05:51] <seicherlbob> noteventime: i mixed it up. forget it
[05:52] <DevGet> Hi!
[05:52] <seicherlbob> noteventime: are you experienced with ubuntu on notebooks?
[05:52] <noteventime> seicherlbob: I'm running kubuntu on one :)
[05:52] <noteventime> DevGet: 'ello
[05:53] <seicherlbob> noteventime: ok, i'll ask you later.. but ... i cant start this tpb.... how can i run it in X?
[05:53] <seicherlbob> noteventime: when i start it in console, it says it cant find a display
[05:54] <DevGet> I have now been using kubuntu for a time, and it's really user friendly, but why is not mp3 and flash-support and things like that installed by default, and will it be a graphical installer future?
[05:54] <noteventime> seicherlbob: Thats strange :S, maybe its a deamon, try restarting the computer
[05:54] <seicherlbob> noteventime: omg....
[05:54] <noteventime> DevGet: Graphocal installer is implemented in dapper
[05:55] <DevGet> noteventime: is it on flight 4 or?
[05:55] <noteventime> seicherlbob: It migh need to identify hardware it bot :)
[05:55] <noteventime> DevGet: I think so, but I'm not sure
[05:55] <DevGet> ok
[05:55] <noteventime> DevGet: And mp3&flash is not installed because of licensing issues
[05:56] <seicherlbob> noteventime: ok. i'll restart later. now i have another quesion: my thinkpad keeps hanging when starting from hybernation. all i see when x is starting is strange stripes.
[05:56] <seicherlbob> noteventime: any ideas?
[05:56] <DevGet> hmm, ok, but can't the installer inform about the licensing issue and then ask the user if it wants it or not?
[05:57] <noteventime> sicherlbob: I've only used stand by, but if thats what you mean i get the stripes too but it doesn't hang, maybe it goes in to a console for some reason try ctr + alt + F7
[05:57] <frank23> DevGet: I guess ubuntu just wants to not attract unnecessary attention from macromedia and mp3 patent holders
[05:58] <noteventime> DevGet: EasyUbuntu is a sollution, but i agree with you
[05:59] <DevGet> noteventime: but then the user must install easyubuntu ;)
[06:00] <noteventime> DetGet: I know, but still
[06:00] <noteventime> It's better than nothing :P
[06:03] <DevGet> yes
[06:03] <seicherlbob> noteventime: think i found something on the web. i'll check that later. gotta go now.
[06:04] <noteventime> pl
[06:04] <noteventime> ok
[06:05] <noteventime> sorry for not being able to be more helpfull
[06:05] <seicherlbob> noteventime: you've helped enough!
[06:05] <seicherlbob> cu
[06:06] <p_k> why cant i add my mp3 files @ serpentine - it says "unsupported file type" o_O
[06:06] <noteventime> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:06] <noteventime> !mp3
[06:06] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, totally, a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:06] <dbakker> hey yall kubuntu is great
[06:06] <Glin|Jol> Winamp not Running
[06:07] <noteventime> dbakker: True :)
[06:07] <me2win> !qt
[06:07] <ubotu> Qt is the Q-toolkit. Qt is to KDE what GTK is to GNOME. For the Qt includes, install the libqt3-mt-dev package
[06:08] <noteventime> qt rules X)
[06:08] <noteventime> I love programming with QT
[06:08] <p_k> i can play mp3s with my media-players ...
[06:08] <bobthelot> Hi, I am having problems with nvidia binary drivers on Kubuntu AMD64 -- I can get OpenGL screen savers to run but games like Doom3 and enemy territory returns errors about not been able to link libGL.so.1 . My googling the problem has not given me any clues to sort this problem... can anyone suggest anything.
[06:08] <me2win> hehe, qt is k00
[06:08] <noteventime> bobthelot: Have you  installed libgl?
[06:09] <me2win> !qt4
[06:09] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, me2win
[06:09] <me2win> !info qt4
[06:09] <noteventime> !info
[06:09] <noteventime> !info ubotu
[06:09] <bobthelot> noteventime:hmmm... I will check
[06:13] <ciga> hi
[06:13] <noteventime> 'ello
[06:13] <bobthelot> noteventime:I have libgl1-mesa... it that correct?
[06:14] <ciga> sane-find-scanner finds my scanner, but scanimage -L finds only my tv tuner card. Is there anything I can do about it?
[06:14] <noteventime> bobthelot: I think so
[06:14] <noteventime> ciga: Use kooka?
[06:15] <ciga> noteventime: I tried.
[06:15] <ciga> noteventime: finds the same.
[06:15] <noteventime> ciga: Only tvcard?
[06:15] <bobthelot> noteventime: ok thanks
[06:15] <noteventime> !gl
[06:15] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, noteventime
[06:16] <ciga> noteventime: yup
[06:17] <noteventime> ciga: Have you chacked in kcontrol, i think there is a scanner config there
[06:18] <ciga> noteventime: search in kcontrol does not find anything.
[06:18] <ciga> noteventime: I have breezy + kde 3.5.1
[06:18] <noteventime> Ok, i might have been wrong
[06:19] <noteventime> !scanner
[06:19] <ubotu> For scanners in Ubuntu, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScanningHowTo and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[06:20] <noteventime> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/282 <- all take a look at this:
[06:20] <ciga> usb.agent[3709] :      libusbscanner: loaded successfully
[06:20] <ciga> all I see is this.
[06:21] <noteventime> hmm
[06:22] <me2win> brb
[06:23] <ciga> my scanner is not in HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[06:25] <ciga> but sane-project.org says plustek (0.50) supports my hw
[06:25] <noteventime> Then use sane?
[06:25] <ciga> I have modified plustek.conf: [usb]  0x04a9 0x2220
[06:26] <ciga> noteventime: scanimage is part of sane.
[06:26] <ciga> sane-utils to be exact.
[06:26] <noteventime> aha, what about the sane gtk frontend?
[06:27] <me2win> why does dapper not recognize kdelibs4?
[06:29] <ciga> noteventime: it finds my tuner card, and I don't seem to find where to change that
[06:29] <noteventime> Not in the GTK either?
[06:30] <ciga> noteventime: correct.
[06:30] <noteventime> :/
[06:31] <vijay> I just installed kdewebdev, but how to start it?? help plz!!!
[06:32] <noteventime>   vijay: One minute il try it
[06:32] <ciga> vijay: dpkg -L kdewebdev | grep bin
[06:32] <allee> vijay: dpkg -L kdewebdav | grep bin/  and pick your favorite executable
[06:32] <allee> pah ;)
[06:32] <ciga> vijay: is not it quanta?
[06:32] <vijay> ciga: yes quanta only
[06:33] <noteventime> ajj, its quabta
[06:33] <noteventime> quanta+
[06:33] <vijay> allee:ok
[06:34] <ciga> noteventime: I've compiled sane-backends from cvs. I want to install it with a prefix to /opt, but I dunno what the next step would be.
[06:34] <DHGE> kdevelop3 3.3.1 for amd64 as deb ? where to find it?
[06:35] <Dreamstar> hello people
[06:35] <noteventime> 'ello
[06:35] <Dreamstar> guys anyone of u here plays ET ?
[06:35] <noteventime> ciga: I'm sorry, I don't know. Mine worked plug'n'play
[06:36] <noteventime> ET?
[06:36] <Dreamstar> Enemy Territory :)
[06:36] <ciga> noteventime: I just found a #sane channel :)
[06:36] <ciga> noteventime: thans anyway.
[06:36] <ciga> thanks
[06:36] <noteventime> Hehe, np
[06:36] <_b> Yes ET rocks !
[06:37] <Dreamstar> _b i have a prob
[06:37] <noteventime> Aha, Is there a linux client?
[06:37] <_b> shoot but im not playing it on linux :)
[06:37] <noteventime> I played ET a bit in my windows times :)
[06:37] <_b> there are insane amount of maps out
[06:38] <_b> to bad many servers run to old ones
[06:38] <Dreamstar> when trying to connecting to a server (whichever i try) it says waiting for challenge but then nothing more happens
[06:38] <me2win> anybody know a good python ide?
[06:38] <_b> u behind router ?
[06:38] <Dreamstar> it's strange coz this morning it worked, then now PUF
[06:38] <ciga> Dreamstar: probably there is no challenge :)
[06:38] <noteventime> stani's python editor
[06:38] <Dreamstar> i'm on a NAT
[06:38] <noteventime> Hmm, Il try
[06:38] <me2win> noteventime: that the best?
[06:39] <noteventime> Or eric
[06:39] <_b> some ports needs forwarding i guess
[06:39] <me2win> not that it matters, lol, just wondering
[06:39] <Dreamstar> ciga but i can see there are 50 people connected and it's strange i have to wait 50 or more seconds
[06:39] <me2win> i mean it matters, but i could use either lol
[06:39] <robotgeek> ipython is very nice too, if you are the cli types
[06:39] <noteventime> me2win: I like stani's, not much of a python programmer though
[06:39] <me2win> ah
[06:39] <Dreamstar> _b this morning it worked...it's strange suddenly it doesnt' anymore
[06:39] <ciga> Dreamstar: you or the server might have lags
[06:40] <_b> yea thats strange, u tried diffrent servers ?
[06:40] <Dreamstar> damn
[06:40] <Dreamstar> yep _b i tried a lot of servers
[06:40] <me2win> robotgeek: thanks for the sugg
[06:41] <robotgeek> me2win: ofcourse, you will definetly want to read a help manual first
[06:41] <Dreamstar> i'll try restarting the system...maybe this will help...
[06:41] <Dreamstar> brb
[06:41] <me2win> robotgeek: for the proggy?
[06:42] <robotgeek> me2win: yes, it is very powerful, you might want to know what it can do
[06:42] <me2win> alright cool, thanks
[06:42] <_b> dreamstar: i still would trie adding some ports in nat
[06:42] <_b> a friend never got it right until i added some
[06:43] <_b> there is some site called jolt who got faq, google for enemy territory faq or similar u find it
[06:43] <_b> prolly got the port numbers u need etc
[06:50] <frojnd> where can I find my network places on 5.10 kubuntu
[06:51] <rysiek|pl> hi there, gurus ;)
[06:52] <gleesond> does any one know when KDE4 is comming out? I keep reading about it but no one ever says the projected release date
[06:52] <me2win> probably not till next year
[06:52] <me2win> early 07
[06:52] <bhna> gleesond: late 2007
[06:53] <bhna> gleesond: sorry late 2006!
[06:53] <gleesond> ok so I can hope to wait a bit longer. it seems exciting the changes they are making.
[06:53] <gleesond> KDE++
[06:53] <_b> is there a worklog where u can read about it ?
[06:53] <Dasnipa`> late 2006 seems to be the general concensus
[06:54] <gleesond> I just read a few interviews that were posted on digg.com
[06:54] <rysiek|pl> incoming one usplash question: on the USplash wiki page it says, that the image for usplash has to be 16 colours, indexed. But I am using vga=791 in my kernel parameters (that's 1024x768x16bit) - what should the image palette be in that case?
[06:54] <me2win> digg ftw
[06:54] <me2win> gleesond: did you see the video of the new commenting system?
[06:54] <gleesond> no
[06:55] <rysiek|pl> and, if it's (supposedly) 16bit, then how can I tell usplash, which color is to be used for text, background, etc?
[06:55] <gleesond> is there a URL?
[06:55] <Riddell> gleesond: got a URL to those interviews?
[06:55] <gleesond> uh hold on
[06:55] <me2win> gleesond: http://diggtheblog.blogspot.com/2006/02/digg-comment-system.html
[06:58] <gleesond> http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2006/01/12/kde4.html
[06:59] <me2win> gleesond: here's the video http://diggtheblog.blogspot.com/2006/02/digg-comment-system.html
[07:00] <Dreamstar> guys btw what do u thinnk about the new e17?
[07:07] <gleesond> me2win: thats cool
[07:07] <me2win> yeah
[07:07] <me2win> it looks very very nie
[07:12] <rysiek|pl> repeating USplash question:
[07:12] <rysiek|pl> incoming one usplash question: on the USplash wiki page it says, that the image for usplash has to be 16 colours, indexed. But I am using vga=791 in my kernel parameters (that's 1024x768x16bit) - what should the image palette be in that case?
[07:13] <me2win> rysiek|pl: sorry, no clue
[07:13] <rysiek|pl> :/
[07:13] <rysiek|pl> m'kay
[07:13] <rysiek|pl> re-posting on #ubuntu, then :)
[07:14] <fxn|away> im running the kubuntu live cd, is there a way to mount my hardiscdrives?
[07:14] <rysiek|pl> yep
[07:15] <rysiek|pl> what filesystems?
[07:15] <fxn|away> fat32
[07:15] <rysiek|pl> no prob
[07:15] <me2win> !fat32
[07:15] <ubotu> Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter to make your windows or mac partitions mount automatically.  If you wish to set it up yourself by hand, read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[07:15] <me2win> errr
[07:15] <me2win> dont use that
[07:15] <me2win> !mount
[07:15] <ubotu> mount is, like, the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[07:15] <me2win> err not that either
[07:15] <rysiek|pl> me2win
[07:15] <rysiek|pl> waita :)
[07:16] <rysiek|pl> gimme a chance, man :)
[07:16] <rysiek|pl> fxn|away: you have to know what device(s) it (they) are at
[07:16] <rysiek|pl> but that's easy to ponder-out:
[07:16] <rysiek|pl> is it an IDE or SCSI drive?
[07:17] <fxn|away> ide
[07:17] <rysiek|pl> ok, so it's somewhere on /dev/hdxy
[07:18] <rysiek|pl> where X is the physical disk numvber
[07:18] <rysiek|pl> and y is the partition number
[07:18] <rysiek|pl> let's go further: how many hard disks (physical, not partitions) do you have?
[07:18] <dbakker> cat /proc/partitions
[07:18] <fxn|away> 2
[07:19] <fxn|away> i found them in /dev/ how to mount? ;)
[07:19] <rysiek|pl> you must create the mountpoints - directories (preferably in /media)
[07:19] <rysiek|pl> for each of the partitions you wish to mount
[07:19] <rysiek|pl> and then:
[07:20] <rysiek|pl> mount /dev/hdXY /media/your_mount_point
[07:20] <rysiek|pl> for each of them
[07:20] <rysiek|pl> that should do the tricjk
[07:20] <rysiek|pl> *trick
[07:20] <rysiek|pl> for more info do "man mount" in console
[07:23] <fxn|away> ok thank you, im trying ;P
[07:23] <fxn|away> mount: only root can do that
[07:23] <fxn|away> ^^
[07:23] <me2win> sudo mount
[07:26] <fxn|away> cant the livecd automount all drives? my floppydrive is there though ;)
[07:28] <rysiek|pl> it can, but it isn't a good idea - just suppose something goes wrong - it's better to be *certain* that it won't damage your data on the hds ;)
[07:30] <fxn|away> ive seen other dist live cds do it :*
[07:31] <me2win> thats cuz they suck ass
[07:33] <rysiek|pl> fxn|away: this is a GPL software, without any guarantees whatsoever. officially "untested". officially "not suitable for any purpose, not even the implied" blah blah.  So you gotta ask yourself one question: am I lucky.
[07:33] <rysiek|pl> :]
[07:34] <bhna> How can a start kdm with Xephyr in an new window on top off a kde-session??
[07:34] <rysiek|pl> and if you think you *are* - go on, boot the livecd that mount your hds automagically. I don't feel *that* lucky :)
[07:37] <rysiek|pl> bhna: sorry, no idea. try googling or searching the wiki pages
[07:39] <bhna> rysiek|pl: no luck with google and freedesktop.org. could not find any howto or something like that :-(
[07:41] <weedar> Any reason why a freshly installed wine would crash horribly when I run winecfg?
[07:44] <bhna> weedar: maybe an old .wine direvtory
[07:44] <weedar> bhna, actually I had removed the .wine directory. I got wine working as soon as I mkdir'ed a new one...weird that it could not create one by itself though?
[07:45] <weedar> But how do I create a fake windows?
[07:46] <bhna> weedar: i have no problems with the latest version.
[07:49] <weedar> bhna, can you think of anything else I need to to remove to start from scratch without any trace of old wine?
[07:49] <weedar> I've deleted ~/.wine
[07:54] <bhna> weedar: just type winecfg in a terminal
[07:54] <weedar> but it crashes
[07:57] <bhna> weedar: no idea, soory
[07:58] <weedar> bhna, that's ok =)
[07:59] <echdev> hrm
[07:59] <echdev> I changed the loading screen thingy (sorry for being technical!) to the Default KDE one, and now it locks up on startup :(
[08:00] <echdev> any way to change it with the shell?
[08:09] <angasule> if I install ubuntu-desktop I can use both kubuntu and ubuntu? or do they step on each other's toes?
[08:12] <_paul> the only thign ive found is that the applications 'mix into' each other
[08:12] <angasule> gah, nevermind, ubuntu would bring me all that garbage
[08:13] <_paul> you can of course uninstall it
[08:13] <angasule> I did a preview and it'll install so much stuff I don't want...
[08:13] <_paul> im mucking around with something like that at the moment
[08:13] <_paul> yeah thats true
[08:13] <angasule> it's just that kubuntu feels too much like a second class citizen to me
[08:14] <angasule> too much stuff in the repos that's meant for ubuntu
[08:14] <_paul> if its certain elements you want try and research if you can install it indvidually
[08:14] <_paul> im doing it abit backwards in that ive install a few desktops and now im backk tracking by getting rid of what i dont want
[08:14] <rysiek|pl> angasule: you can read the docs, I am sure there is something like ubuntu-desktop-base or something, that will give you only GNOME and the *really* needed stuff
[08:15] <rysiek|pl> I just don't remember the name of the package :)
[08:16] <angasule> I'm a language geek, and languages don't seem to be a priority in kubuntu, that's all
[08:16] <h1dd3nh4xx0r> lol?
[08:21] <kitsch> is anyone here able to run kde + compiz?
[08:22] <spiritz> kitsch: yes but unstable as hell
[08:26] <_stian> Whats the name of the program used to convert bin files to iso's? (i have the cue file, yes)
[08:26] <kitsch> spritz: ok, how?
[08:26] <sorush20> is there a kde on screen keyboard?
[08:26] <kitsch> spritz: i've installed everything but i can't launch it correctly
[08:27] <_stian> anyone?
[08:27] <_stian> need a bin to become an iso here
[08:28] <rysiek|pl> gtg, cu all
[08:33] <_jason_> hi, i'm running ns2 (network simulator) that uses xgraph to output some graphs of the simulation results
[08:33] <_jason_> but when i run the simulation it returns a "couldn't execute "xgraph": no such file or directory"
[08:34] <_jason_> when i check adept, it says that xgraph is installed
[08:34] <christa> hoi
[08:34] <_jason_> does anyone know why it doesn't know that xgraph is installed?
[08:35] <christa> is dit nederlands of engels?
[08:35] <christa> hai jason
[08:35] <_jason_> hi christa... language?
[08:36] <christa> nederlands
[08:36] <me2win> engels christa
[08:36] <christa> you?
[08:36] <_jason_> sorry, can't help you there...
[08:36] <me2win> !nd
[08:36] <ubotu> me2win: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:36] <_jason_> english only
[08:36] <christa> ow sorry
[08:36] <christa> okay
[08:36] <me2win> christa, ill FIND nederlands channel for you
[08:36] <me2win> hold on
[08:36] <me2win> !netherlands
[08:36] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, me2win
[08:36] <robotgeek> what nl?
[08:36] <me2win> !language
[08:36] <ubotu> somebody said language was please watch your language; we try to be nice and help, but some of us don't like to see such things on our screen.
[08:36] <me2win> nl?
[08:37] <christa> but this is the first time for me that i am here so i don`t know how it works
[08:37] <robotgeek> !nl
[08:37] <ubotu> Op #ubuntu-nl staat de koffie al voor je klaar.
[08:38] <christa> who are you? :)
[08:38] <_jason_> anyone have any idea about my xgraph problem?
[08:38] <christa> no sorry
[08:38] <robotgeek> christa: just another user
[08:39] <trappist> _jason_: make sure /usr/X11R6/bin is in your $PATH
[08:39] <_jason_> robotgeek: do you know what could be the problem?
[08:39] <christa> wat moet ik doen?
[08:39] <_stian> hy
[08:39] <_stian> hey
[08:39] <_stian> bin to iso
[08:39] <_stian> how?
[08:39] <_jason_> trappist: how do i check my $PATH?
[08:39] <robotgeek> _jason_: xgraph? this is the first time i've heard of it
[08:39] <_stian> what program
[08:39] <trappist> _stian: bchunk
[08:39] <robotgeek> _jason_: echo $ATH
[08:39] <_stian> thank you!
[08:40] <_jason_> trappist: how do i add /usr/X11R6/bin to my $PATH?
[08:40] <robotgeek> echo $PATH, rather
[08:40] <trappist> _jason_: edit your ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile
[08:40] <trappist> robotgeek: or for right now, just export PATH=$PATH:/usr/X11R6/bin
[08:41] <trappist> err that was for _jason_
[08:41] <_jason_> trappist, robotgeek: thanks
[08:41] <christa> which country are you from?
[08:41] <robotgeek> PATH=/usr/X11R6/bin:"${PATH}"
[08:41] <robotgeek> nvm
[08:41] <robotgeek> christa: USA
[08:42] <me2win> !lart robotgeek
[08:42] <christa> i am from Holland
[08:43] <robotgeek> *ahem*
[08:43] <christa> ?
[08:43] <inteliwasp> ok so I installed kubuntu and I love it :) if I want to install programs that are not in adept, shuld I use .deb files?
[08:44] <robotgeek> christa: do you have a support related question that we can answer?
[08:44] <_jason_> trappist, robotgeek: where is the .bashrc file located?
[08:44] <trappist> inteliwasp: only if you're very VERY careful about where you get them.  don't use debian packages, for example.
[08:44] <robotgeek> inteliwasp: what programs in particular
[08:44] <robotgeek> _jason_: in your ~/ home directory
[08:44] <inteliwasp> I want to install VLC
[08:44] <trappist> _jason_: you may not have it, but if you do it's in your home dir.
[08:44] <inteliwasp> among other things
[08:45] <robotgeek> inteliwasp: vlc is in the universe repository
[08:45] <robotgeek> !info vlc
[08:45] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.4-svn20050920-3+hal0ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 5817 kB, Installed size: 13740 kB
[08:45] <_jason_> trappist, robotgeek: i don't have it, should i just create it?  what format does it have to be in when i create it?
[08:45] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell inteliwasp about repos
[08:45] <christa> how do you mean? my english is not very good :s
[08:45] <robotgeek> _jason_: it's a text file
[08:45] <trappist> _jason_: just fire up your favorite text editor to edit ~/.bashrc, add that export line, save and close.
[08:46] <robotgeek> christa: you seem to be doing fine till now :)
[08:48] <_christa_> ben jij er nu ook benno?
[08:49] <Scarr> ?
[08:49] <_jason_> trappist, robotgeek: nvm i found it, it was just hidden.  now that i've opened it, there's a whole bunch of stuff in there.  does it matter where i add that line?
[08:50] <robotgeek> _jason_: no, just add it at the ned
[08:50] <robotgeek> end
[08:50] <_jason_> thanks robotgeek
[08:51] <inteliwasp> ok i'm installing vlc, but if i am using the 'net, why do i need my cd?
[08:51] <trappist> _jason_: yeah in linux files that start with . are hidden.
[08:52] <robotgeek> inteliwasp: just comment out the cdrom repo in your sources.list
[08:53] <inteliwasp> thanks
[08:54] <_jason_> thanks
[08:54] <inteliwasp> found a little bug for firefox
[08:55] <me2win> ?
[08:56] <inteliwasp> it want's to open a file that dosent exist in kubuntu
[08:56] <_david_> hey, do you know if it's possible to install java 1.5 on breezy? I don't mean the one from sun but a 'free' one?
[08:56] <_david_> I tried installing gcj but I think it's only for java 4
[08:57] <me2win> isn't java free?
[08:59] <_david_> me2win: it is, but I mean free as in freedom (gpl or something like that)
[08:59] <_david_> sudo aptitude search java | grep 5     doesn't return anything good
[08:59] <_david_> so I guess it's not in the repo
[08:59] <_toby> If I am adding the following line to adept: 'deb http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/breezy ./', do I call it 'main', 'universe', 'components', 'non-free', 'restricted' or something else?
[09:00] <_toby> (trying to follow instructions from http://www.digikam.org/?q=download/binary/)
[09:04] <_david_> !java
[09:04] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[09:04] <_david_> !javadebs
[09:05] <_david_> I knew that must be a faw :)
[09:05] <_david_> faq*
[09:09] <frojnd> does guitar pro 5 works on kubuntu ?
[09:09] <bobbyd> hi
[09:10] <moret> Hi all!
[09:10] <moret> I have a problem
[09:10] <me2win> you may proceed...
[09:10] <bobbyd> can anyone recommend an application to allow me to reencode video at different qualities?
[09:10] <moret> I try mount a nfs filesystem and I get the message: mount: RPC: Program not registered
[09:10] <bobbyd> moret, restart nfs server
[09:11] <moret> bobbyd: I did it
[09:11] <bobbyd> moret, you did all the processes?
[09:11] <moret> bobbyd: what processes?
[09:11] <bobbyd> moret, nfs-kernel and nfs-common etc.
[09:11] <moret> yes... and portmap...
[09:12] <bobbyd> moret, did you start nfs-common on the client?
[09:14] <frojnd> Q5: Is Guitar Pro available for Mac Os or Linux?
[09:14] <frojnd> NO. Windows version is at present the only one available.
[09:14] <frojnd>  However, the Mac version is currently in progress and should be available at the second trimester of 2006.
[09:14] <frojnd> that sux
[09:17] <moret> bobbyd: yes
[09:18] <trappist> puckman: yes.  what you do in your own home behind closed doors is none of my business.  if you wanna use windows that's fine, just keep it away from me and my kids.
[09:18] <bobbyd> moret, portmap is running on the client?
[09:20] <bobbyd> puckman, you run kubuntu on a mac?
[09:20] <puckman> ah no, on an IBM Thinkpad.
[09:20] <Snake__> LOL trappist !!!!!!!!
[09:20] <puckman> I run mac os on my mac
[09:20] <Snake__> That was great
[09:20] <trappist> you know, I like kubuntu and all, but if I get one of those shiny new mac minis.... osx is just sweet.
[09:21] <trappist> Snake__: :)
[09:21] <puckman> Hmmm, not really
[09:21] <puckman> I like Kubuntu much better.
[09:21] <puckman> And have been using Mac since 85, worked for 6 years for appkle
[09:21] <Snake__> puckman: same here, but OSX is very nice ;)
[09:21] <puckman> and still like kubuntu better
[09:21] <puckman> its ok
[09:22] <puckman> Its a bit sad that they force all that eye candy on you
[09:22] <puckman> meaning it runs like a dog on older hardware
[09:22] <moret> bobbyd: yes
[09:22] <Snake__> yea..
[09:22] <trappist> <3 the eye candy
[09:22] <Snake__> lol
[09:22] <puckman> gxl is cool
[09:22] <trappist> mmm... iCandy...
[09:22] <puckman> oh oh, dinner is served
[09:22] <puckman> bbl
[09:22] <bobbyd> moret, I don't know then, I've had that before bit I think it was just "reset the server"
[09:22] <Snake__> trappist: try running it on a 266 mhz pc with 256 of ram
[09:23] <Snake__> suddenly you hate it
[09:23] <Snake__> :)
[09:23] <trappist> Snake__: been there.  didn't hate it.  just fired up unreal tournament and had my fun.
[09:24] <trappist> if I don't want bloat and eyecandy I'll use ratpoison or maybe fluxbox.  give me features, and make them pretty, and I'll buy the hardware to deal with em.
[09:24] <Snake__> lol
[09:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what does redhat use as desktop manager?
[09:30] <trappist> wrong channel
[09:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i know.. i was only courious
[09:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> furthermore i use to use kuake as terminal emulator but i remember to have seen another emulator in quake style a lots more in kde-look
[09:31] <asghar> Hi lads
[09:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what is its name? why all the people preffer it?
[09:31] <asghar> I want to buy an IBM laptop
[09:32] <asghar> Anybody has any experience with such stuff?
[09:32] <trappist> yakuake I think
[09:32] <asghar> Its a z60m
[09:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> .......IBM is not around
[09:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what does redhat use as desktop manager?
[09:32] <chaotic> gnome i think
[09:32] <Datalanche> Yeah Red Hat and Fedora are gnome
[09:33] <asghar> Sounds like the answer is no
[09:33] <asghar> Thanks anyway
[09:33] <trappist> Tallia1Kubuntu: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29153
[09:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it looks so much better than the gnome i saw in ubuntu one year ago.. .(
[09:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :(
[09:36] <Datalanche> Anyone know of a guide to get the KDE Menu to pop up using the Windows key? I've found several things about it for other Linux OS's, but they dont work. And Alt+F1 isnt exactly a shortcut ;)
[09:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> trappist: what does it change?
[09:39] <jarlath> Is there a way to get Kaffeine to disable my screensaver / display power management while it plays?
[09:41] <puckman> back
[09:41] <CellarDoor> argh
[09:42] <ronaldson40> how do i install rpm files on kubuntu
[09:42] <CellarDoor> what is going on
[09:42] <puckman> use alien
[09:42] <CellarDoor> something is using up all my system resources
[09:42] <puckman> it converts a rpm to a deb
[09:42] <me2win> !lamp
[09:42] <ubotu> [lamp]  Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Ubuntu is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[09:43] <puckman> ronaldson40: I installed GAIM 2.0 rpm via alien
[09:44] <sebastian> guys
[09:45] <sebastian> how to set up remote desktop in kde?
[09:45] <sebastian> is it done automatically like in gnome?
[09:46] <ronaldson40> wat is alien
[09:46] <CellarDoor> something is using all my resources... anyone have any ideas ?
[09:46] <trappist> CellarDoor: run 'top'
[09:46] <CellarDoor> top ?
[09:46] <puckman> sebastian: its under sharing
[09:46] <CellarDoor> whats that ?
[09:46] <puckman> sebastian: settings
[09:47] <sebastian> puckman, in kcontrol?
[09:47] <trappist> CellarDoor: open a console and run top
[09:47] <CellarDoor> yep
[09:47] <puckman> sebastian: no, just System settings
[09:48] <puckman> sebastian: you running kde 3.5?
[09:48] <sebastian> right ok
[09:48] <sebastian> thanks
[09:48] <sebastian> i think so
[09:48] <ronaldson40> what is Apache Server for??
[09:49] <CellarDoor> trappist: it doesnt seem quite as bad now
[09:49] <puckman> ronaldson40: to run websites?
[09:49] <fatejudger> !fglrx
[09:49] <ubotu> [fglrx]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:49] <ronaldson40> so i can hookup my computer online??
[09:49] <ronaldson40> and access it via a browser??
[09:49] <CellarDoor> trappist: I was using Apollon before and it was killing my system...
[09:51] <ronaldson40> I installed Alien, but i can find it on the menu
[09:51] <puckman> ronaldson40: its a terminal only thing
[09:51] <ronaldson40> ok
[09:52] <puckman> just do a google for the instructions
[09:52] <puckman> thats what I did
[09:52] <ronaldson40> regd the Apache can i access my comp via IE or firefox
[09:52] <puckman> I dont know them by heart
[09:52] <puckman> no
[09:52] <puckman> its just a webserver
[09:52] <ronaldson40> k
[09:56] <fatejudger> !sources.list
[09:56] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[09:57] <me2win> !lart fatejudger
[09:57] <fatejudger> wtf
[09:57] <me2win> !lart fatejudger
 I ran the alien  <name> -i -v but know how do i access the file
[09:58] <CellarDoor> !lart me2win
[09:58] <CellarDoor> :O
[09:58] <me2win> lol
[09:58] <CellarDoor> lol
[09:58] <me2win> thats the worst one yet
[09:58] <CellarDoor> !lart me2win
[09:58] <puckman> You install the deb file via terminal
[09:58] <CellarDoor> !lart me2win
[09:58] <puckman> you know how to install files?
[09:58] <CellarDoor> again !
[09:58] <ronaldson40> nope
[09:59] <me2win> lol, twice in a row
[09:59] <robotgeek> please keep it civil in here
[09:59] <me2win> how messed up is that lo
[09:59] <ronaldson40> this is wat i did
[09:59] <CellarDoor> silly bot
[09:59] <robotgeek> me2win: CellarDoor you can always play in #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:59] <me2win> tr00
[09:59] <ronaldson40> Terminal > alien /root/Desktop/Limewire/Limewire.rpm -i -v
[09:59] <CellarDoor> oh fine then
[09:59] <me2win> ronaldson40: what does -v -v do?
[10:00] <ronaldson40> verbose
[10:00] <me2win> and -i?
[10:00] <puckman> ronaldson40: read this http://www.newlinuxuser.com/howto-install-deb-rpm-and-source-code-files/
[10:00] <ronaldson40> -i =
[10:00] <puckman> explains it all
[10:00] <ronaldson40> >install
[10:00] <ronaldson40> thanx
[10:00] <me2win> so it changes it to deb and installs both at once?
[10:00] <puckman> nope
[10:01] <puckman> alien changes a rpm into a deb which you can then install the normal way
[10:01] <puckman> but I have been told that it is not a good idea to do often as it can screw things up
[10:01] <ronaldson40> k
[10:01] <CellarDoor> you can install limewire by downloading it from the limewire site and simply following the instructions on the website (if memory serves)
[10:01] <CellarDoor> or...
[10:02] <CellarDoor> you can install Apollon
[10:02] <CellarDoor> :)
[10:02] <robotgeek> +1 for appolon
[10:02] <CellarDoor> (it seems to be behaving itself now)
[10:02] <chaotic> apollon is great
[10:02] <CellarDoor> I just started using apollon yesterday
[10:03] <CellarDoor> limewire swiftly got the boot
[10:03] <CellarDoor> :P
[10:04] <CellarDoor> its nice to have a proper kde app for p2p
[10:05] <puckman> Anyone played with the latest kubuntu beta yet? Looks tidy.
[10:05] <CellarDoor> and limewire freezes my desktop too often, forcing me to ctrl+alt+backspace
[10:05] <CellarDoor> puckman: do tell :)
[10:06] <puckman> I could not see any BIG differences, just little tidy ups.
[10:06] <CellarDoor> ah
[10:06] <puckman> kde menu looks tidied up, small touches on panels
[10:07] <puckman> Bit hard to judge it from a live cd
[10:07] <CellarDoor> ah
[10:07] <CellarDoor> I should download the live cd
[10:08] <puckman> Anyone know when it's coming out?
[10:08] <CellarDoor> april ?
[10:08] <CellarDoor> early april ?
[10:08] <puckman> Really? Ooh that would rock
[10:09] <puckman> Do a clean install ^_^
[10:09] <CellarDoor> I'm gonna order a truckload of ship-it Cd's
[10:09] <CellarDoor> or maybe a box full
[10:09] <puckman> They doing one for Kubuntu now?
[10:09] <CellarDoor> yes
[10:10] <CellarDoor> when the next version comes out
[10:10] <CellarDoor> will be available via shipit
[10:10] <CellarDoor> :D
[10:12] <puckman> nice
[10:12] <puckman> I'm more than happy to download but a nice printed sleeve rocks
[10:16] <D[a] > YO.
[10:18] <me2win> anyone used ntfsmount?
[10:19] <DaveQB> me2win: i thought kubuntu has ntfs mounting in the kernel, seems to work here like that
[10:20] <me2win> DaveQB: ntfsmount is a tool that lets you safely write to ntfs partitions from linux
[10:20] <DaveQB> ahh sweet!!
[10:21] <DaveQB> i have read a bit about the ntfs project and their attempts to get write support working
[10:21] <DaveQB> last i read it was close to reliable .. ?
[10:21] <me2win> part of the ntfsprogs pack
[10:21] <me2win> well
[10:21] <me2win> its VERY reliable apparently
[10:21] <me2win> it either works
[10:21] <me2win> or spits out an error
[10:21] <me2win> doesnt dmg your disk no matter what
[10:22] <DaveQB> oh thats very good then
[10:22] <DaveQB> can you delete files from NTFS with this ?
[10:22] <me2win> yes
[10:22] <me2win> its full edit support
[10:22] <me2win> read/write/create/del
[10:22] <DaveQB> WOW!
[10:22] <DaveQB> and your success has been ??
[10:23] <me2win> good
[10:23] <me2win> works very well
[10:23] <me2win> brb, gotta restart x
[10:23] <CellarDoor> read/write/ etc... with ntfs ?
[10:23] <CellarDoor> sounds like a win
[10:23] <DaveQB> i reckon
[10:25] <CellarDoor> ubotu ntfsmount
[10:25] <ubotu> CellarDoor: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:25] <CellarDoor> wb
[10:25] <me2win> !info ntfsprogs
[10:25] <ubotu> ntfsprogs: (tools for doing neat things in NTFS partitions from Linux), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.9.4-2 (breezy), Packaged size: 171 kB, Installed size: 448 kB
[10:25] <me2win> !ntfsprogs
[10:25] <ubotu> me2win: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:25] <me2win> lol, whats funny is, it DOES come in a pack of 5
[10:29] <Zappa> can anyone recommend a good gui ftp client?
[10:29] <me2win> !ftp
[10:29] <ubotu> Good FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP server: proftpd
[10:30] <DaveQB> so with this group of tools you still use the regular ntfs mounting system ?? as i dont see any new/different mounter with it
[10:30] <DaveQB> Zappa:  Konqueror
[10:30] <me2win> you mount using ntfsmount
[10:30] <me2win> ie
[10:30] <me2win> ntfsmount /dev/hdd1 /media/backup
[10:31] <DaveQB> hmm i havent got ntfsmount but have just installed the package you mentiond, ntfsprogs
[10:31] <me2win> ntfsmount
[10:31] <me2win> comes inside of ntfsprogs
[10:31] <me2win> its like a suite
[10:32] <me2win> http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfsprogs
[10:32] <Zappa> DaveQB: I meant in the traditional sense of an ftp client
[10:32] <me2win> zappa
[10:32] <me2win> !ftp
[10:32] <ubotu> Good FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP server: proftpd
[10:33] <Tm_T> !ssh
[10:33] <ubotu> from memory, ssh is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SSHHowto, or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdvancedOpenSSH
[10:33] <Tm_T> ssh is way better than ftp ;)
[10:34] <visit0r> it's slower
[10:35] <visit0r> if encryption/compression is used
[10:35] <Zappa> me2win: thanks, kbear looks good!
[10:36] <me2win> brb
[10:36] <me2win> brb
[10:36] <me2win> food
[10:38] <knubbe> anyone who knows if there is an official or unofficial live-cd/dvd with both kubuntu and ubuntu (dapper, flight 4).
[10:40] <Riddell> knubbe: there is not
[10:42] <knubbe> thanks.
[10:51] <DaveQB> i looked up ntfsprogs again in adept, it lists what comes with it, doesnt list ntfsmount
[10:51] <DaveQB> me2win:
[11:17] <Extreme_Unction> Can anyone help me for a moment?
[11:17] <ccc_> Extreme_Unction: with?
[11:18] <Extreme_Unction> I was wondering if the universe repository still with-held gstreamer0.8-plugins.. I've uncommented it from my sources.list but apt-get cannot find it.
[11:19] <Extreme_Unction> Ahh, actually.. problem solved! for now.
[11:20] <ccc_> yes they are
[11:20] <ccc_> ah ok :)
[11:21] <Extreme_Unction> I uncommented the wrong repositories, silly me.
[11:23] <Extreme_Unction> One more quick question.. I want to know if I have it configured for multiple applications to access the sound server at one time. I had to set up the configuration files (Asound.conf, not present in KDE) to enable this. Is this the case..? I have Amarok running but Gaim doesn't seem to give off any sounds..
[11:33] <_b> !flash
[11:33] <ubotu> somebody said flash was installation & troublshooting is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:48] <angasule> Female Body Inspector?
[11:50] <Extreme_Unction> How can I get ALSA to work with multiple sounds?
[11:50] <Extreme_Unction> multiple apps accesses alsa server
[11:50] <_jon> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012)] / breezy main restricted
[11:50] <_jon> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network
[11:50] <_jon> # deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted
[11:50] <_jon> # deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted
[11:50] <_jon> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch major bug fix updates produced
[11:50] <_jon> ## after the final release of the distribution.
[11:50] <_jon> # deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted
[11:50] <_jon> sorry
[11:51] <frank23> !paste
[11:51] <_jon> Im trying add to my source.list file but i get an error message
[11:51] <ubotu> Don't flood the channel! Please use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or the channel #flood to paste large amount of text.
[11:51] <_jon> !paste
[11:51] <frank23> youre trying to add sources?
[11:51] <_jon> yes
[11:51] <_jon> but i get an error
[11:52] <frank23> what error?
[11:52] <_jon> The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to file:///etc/apt/sources.list.
[11:52] <frank23> oh
[11:52] <frank23> you need to open sources.list as root
[11:52] <_jon> and how do i do that?
[11:52] <frank23> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:53] <frank23> kdesu runs a program as root in kde
[11:54] <frank23> and the canadian mirrors dont work right now
[11:54] <_jon> i noticed :P
[11:54] <frank23> you should change  all the ca to us
[11:54] <_jon> kk
[11:54] <frank23> !sources
[11:54] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[11:54] <gamma-school> !easysource
[11:54] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:55] <frank23> _jon: the source-o-matic thing is nice
[11:55] <gamma> that's new to me :P
[11:55] <frank23> gamma: what is?
[11:55] <gamma> source-omatic.. never saw it before
[11:56] <frank23> oh. yeah you can add backports, wine, and others repositories easily
[11:58] <_jon> now knsole is giving me an error and wont "apt-get update" because "Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)"
[12:00] <frank23> _jon: close adept to run apt-get
[12:00] <_jon> frank23 i used sudo, but what is adept?
[12:01] <morpheus232> http://btpsp.t35.com/eggroll.pif
[12:01] <morpheus232> http://btpsp.t35.com/eggroll.pif
[12:01] <morpheus232> http://btpsp.t35.com/eggroll.pif
[12:01] <morpheus232> http://btpsp.t35.com/eggroll.pifv
[12:01] <morpheus232> v
[12:01] <morpheus232> v
[12:01] <morpheus232> http://btpsp.t35.com/eggroll.pif
[12:01] <frank23> adept is a gui for apt-get. I assumed you had it open
[12:02] <frank23> you tried sudo apt-get update ?


[17:42] <jrwren> i'm trying to watch http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1403/meeting/22192/entropy/  did hte recording fail?
[19:49] <jrwren> nevermind. my net or youtube issue