[00:17] <Aginor> yuck, snow
[00:17] <Aginor> south island?
[00:18] <thumper> aye
[00:24] <ajmitch> sigh, lp doesn't make it easy to search all bugs via the api. understandable but annoying
[00:27] <lifeless> ajmitch: how so ?
[00:28] <ajmitch> lifeless: searchTasks() is only available on a bug target, from what I can see
[00:29] <lifeless> ajmitch: you might try launchpad.bugs.searchTasks
[00:29] <lifeless> if that doesn't work its an artifact of the api autogeneration not a deliberate limitation
[00:30] <ajmitch> yeah I'd tried it
[00:30] <ajmitch> AttributeError: 'BugSet' object has no attribute 'searchTasks'
[00:50] <ajmitch> lifeless: seems to be a limitation, I found the bug to 'me too'
[05:43] <mwhudson> what's a good e-reader type thing for android?
[05:43] <mwhudson> that works with a nz phone
[05:45] <mwhudson> oh kindle is available
[05:48] <Atamira> what one is good for an iphone clone
[21:16] <ajmitch> morning
[21:43] <hads> Morning
[22:04] <thumper> morning
[22:36] <mwhudson> morning
[23:21] <olly> evening


[12:19] <rick_h_> hmmm, what was I doing a long time ago?
[12:34] <bac> hi frankban.  did you have a quiet end of the week?
[12:38] <frankban> bac: yes I did thanks, how was your thanksgiving
[12:38] <bac> frankban: very good.  ready to tackle another 3 day week.  :)
[12:39] <frankban> cool :-)
[13:20] <rick_h_> thanks for sending that bac
[13:21] <bac> rick_h_: i'd hoped i still had the power, but i didn't
[13:29] <gary_poster> Buying Functional JS @ http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920028857.do for $9.99 (and scala cookbook while I'm at it)
[13:30] <gary_poster> heh, and tempted by d3 book http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920026938.do
[13:31] <gary_poster> naah, reviews of that last one don't seem so good
[13:39] <rick_h_> gary_poster: adding you to my email notes for today
[13:39] <rick_h_> gary_poster: well to the google doc, should get an email.
[13:39] <gary_poster> rick_h_, ok cool, sounds mysterious :-)
[13:39] <rick_h_> sounds like monday brain
[13:46] <frankban> gary_poster: morning, when you have a minute I'd like to talk about the env creation prototype
[13:49] <gary_poster> frankban, sounds fun.  10 minutes>
[13:49] <gary_poster> ?
[13:49] <frankban> gary_poster: ok thanks
[13:49] <gary_poster> cool
[14:00] <hatch> morning all
[14:00] <rick_h_> benji: ping when you get settles post-holiday and are available to chat
[14:01] <benji> rick_h_: let me go pour some coffee and I'll be ready.
[14:06] <gary_poster> rick_h_, I made a second page with Q/A format I think might convey what we need to get across.  I'd start the email with just the top-level categories  as a table of contents.  What I wrote is 100% suggestion and open to revision/discussion/trash.  Talk in a bit about it?
[14:06] <gary_poster> frankban, do you have a hangout?
[14:06] <rick_h_> gary_poster: sure thing
[14:06] <gary_poster> thank you
[14:08] <frankban> gary_poster: creating one
[14:08] <benji> rick_h_: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/calendar/Z2FyeS5wb3N0ZXJAY2Fub25pY2FsLmNvbQ.j0rk5d371ph8331ijtf48t2uj0?authuser=1
[14:28] <hatch> "cyber monday, because we keep trampling each other on black friday"
[14:35] <hatch> does anyone else use feedly? It's all breaking for me today
[14:35] <hatch> rick_h_ https://twitter.com/bac/status/407508677013172224 hehe cc bac
[14:36] <rick_h_> hatch: guess you weren't the last one to realize it
[14:36] <hatch> *victory*
[14:40] <bac> hatch: oh, has this been a known thing for a while?  i almost never us dm.
[14:40] <bac> s/us/use/
[14:41] <bac> s/us/use/
[14:41] <hatch> bac apparently it has, I just found out last week as well :)
[14:41] <bac> oh well.  and it was just a machine name, no http, nothing. of course it doesn't tell you anything, just "your message cannot be sent."
[14:41] <hatch> and rick_h_  made fun of me then :)
[14:42] <hatch> right, how stupid is that
[14:42] <rick_h_> I didn't make fun of you, you were confused about the reason because you have to both follow each other to get DMs, but the change came about when they changed that DM policy
[14:42] <rick_h_> I just sent you links to your wtf that explained it
[14:43] <rick_h_> not my fault you took it as 'making fun' :P
[14:43] <hatch> lies!
[14:43] <bac> well, rick_h_ can make fun all he wants, but i scoff at his 345 followers!
[14:43] <rick_h_> bac: lol
[14:43] <bac> of course i don't understand why 90% of the people follow me
[14:44] <rick_h_> Well, at least I crush hatch and his 145 followers. Clearly python > JS. That's the clear take away from all of this
[14:44] <rick_h_> and people that post photos > *
[14:45] <hatch> yes, my twitter use is sucking
[14:46] <hatch> although who knows how long it'll be around
[14:46] <hatch> ;)
[14:58] <hatch> oh figured out my feedly issue
[14:58] <hatch> looks like it was a bug in their app
[14:59] <hatch> you can't label groups with non-alphanumeric characters
[15:07] <gary_poster> hatch, rick_h_ any takers? ;-) Functional JS @ http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920028857.do for $9.99
[15:07] <rick_h_> I think I bought that one before, /me goes to check library
[15:07] <hatch> hmmm looooking
[15:07]  * gary_poster has to step away for a few.  back soonish
[15:08] <rick_h_> yep, on page 3 in my reading of it heh
[15:08] <hatch> haha nice
[15:08] <hatch> I just picked up a few books last week goo
[15:08] <hatch> too*
[15:08] <hatch> I basically doubled my ebook collection lol
[15:09] <hatch> (shows how many ebooks I have)
[15:09] <rick_h_> heh, I've stopped. I went crazy for a couple of years there
[15:10] <hatch> I still prefer my text on dead trees
[15:10] <rick_h_> meh, <3 my kindle too much
[15:10] <hatch> but I will say, traveling with books sucks
[15:10] <rick_h_> I read more on that than I did on paper.
[15:10] <rick_h_> now my big thing is audio books so last year has been the great year of fiction vs tech
[15:10] <hatch> oh really? interesting - I find the ereaders too small
[15:10] <rick_h_> I've got a DX :)
[15:10] <rick_h_> which was on big sale yesterday
[15:11] <rick_h_> but I do love the paperwhite for its readability and such
[15:11] <hatch> they need to perfect the 'new book smell' on ereaders
[15:11] <hatch> haha
[15:19] <hatch> rick_h_ congrats on the new contributor and peeps using bookie
[15:19] <rick_h_> hatch: :) yea kind of cool to have a couple of people wanting to help
[15:20] <rick_h_> just hit 16th person that's submitted a change so that was kind of cool to get two in one weekend
[15:20] <rick_h_> one guy his CORS stuff trying to write an angular front end to the api this weekened heh
[15:21] <hatch> jeesh
[15:21] <hatch> doesn't it have a front end already?
[15:21] <rick_h_> yea
[15:21] <hatch> that's what I thought haha
[15:21] <rick_h_> but he's using it as an angular experiment
[15:21] <rick_h_> not sure what he's working on with it, but cool
[15:21] <hatch> that must mean your api is good :D
[15:22] <rick_h_> http://docs.bmark.us/en/latest/api.html
[15:23] <hatch> oh nice REST api
[15:23] <rick_h_> :) little bit of work in there
[15:23] <hatch> i'd say
[15:23] <rick_h_> but yea, now it's CORS friendly (well in trunk, not yet deployed)
[15:27] <hatch> so oreilly sells books for other publishers too...interesting
[15:27] <hatch> http://shop.oreilly.com/category/browse-subjects/programming/javascript.do
[15:27] <rick_h_> well  didn't they buy packt?
[15:28] <rick_h_> oh, no just a distribution agreement. http://oreilly.com/pub/pr/3196
[15:35] <hatch> hehe oh this node email thread is funny
[15:49] <gary_poster> hatch rick_h_  Makyo are one of you reviewing huw's branch?  looks fast
[15:49] <gary_poster> I can
[15:49] <Makyo> I can.
[15:50] <rick_h_> gary_poster: not looked yet.
[15:50] <Makyo> jujugui call in 10
[15:50] <rick_h_> gary_poster: you free, want to jump in call early to chat this email?
[15:50] <gary_poster> thanks Makyo, it's yours :-) please land it yourself if you can, rather than pushing it to huw
[15:50] <gary_poster> rick_h_, sure, thanks.
[15:50] <Makyo> gary_poster, sounds good.
[15:57] <gary_poster> jujugui call in 2
[16:00] <gary_poster> benji ping
[16:01] <Makyo> jujugui 90% packet loss.
[16:01] <Makyo> Will type if I freeze.
[16:01] <gary_poster> ack, and ugh!
[16:01] <hatch> that's gota be a new record
[16:03] <Makyo> Yes, looks good.
[16:03] <Makyo> Tutorials are all about making it pretty, but it'll help with a basic gui for envs.
[16:06] <bac> sorry can't access via ISP or LTE
[16:14] <Makyo> ONe more review/qa, frankban maybe?
[16:16] <gary_poster> cs:~juju-gui/precise/juju-gui
[16:18] <frankban> Makyo: sure, link?
[16:22] <bac> bmi?
[16:24] <bac> gary_poster: https://pastebin.canonical.com/101321/
[16:25] <bac> gary_poster: https://pastebin.canonical.com/101322/
[16:25] <Makyo> frankban, get the URL for review?
[16:25] <bac> gary_poster: .venv/bin/python juju-quickstart --no-browser bundle:~bac/muletrain/6/wiki
[16:29] <hatch> gary_poster just fyi - a guy asking for --to functionality in the GUI http://askubuntu.com/questions/384463/how-do-i-deploy-to-other-severs-with-juju
[16:30] <gary_poster> hatch, heh, k thanks
[16:37] <rick_h_> gary_poster: for this email, to peeps, john, curtis, and ?
[16:37] <gary_poster> mramm rick_h_
[16:38] <rick_h_> gary_poster: thanks
[16:38] <gary_poster> ty
[16:40] <bac> gary_poster, frankban: is this the plan? https://pastebin.canonical.com/101329/
[16:44] <gary_poster> https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1mJ7Vn35anp_4k4FYhc34Aq51adgBGMf01xB1gq4Bap4/edit
[16:57] <hatch> rick_h_ hey you were saying that your lxc containers only take a couple minutes to spin up....Mine definitely take at least 10m, any idea on how I track that speed difference down?
[16:57] <hatch> it's on my i5 server box running Ubuntu server 12.04 with a raid 1 HDD
[16:58] <hatch> so I'd assume it would be pretty fast...
[17:00] <frankban> Makyo: yes, the mp URL
[17:02] <Makyo> Cool, hard to tell with net.
[17:03] <Makyo> jujugui https://codereview.appspot.com/36060043 Comfortable landing Huw's branch if I get a quick +1 on the test I added - already QAd.
[17:03] <gary_poster> looking
[17:03] <hatch> looking
[17:03] <hatch> doh
[17:04] <gary_poster> hatch wins
[17:04] <gary_poster> ;-)
[17:04] <hatch> haha ok
[17:04] <gary_poster> thank you both
[17:05] <hatch> Makyo lgtm with trivial
[17:05] <hatch> thanks
[17:09] <frankban> gary_poster, bac: re socket.error: app.deploy_bundle calls env.close(), and that's the problem. we must move that from app.deploy_bundle to the end of manage.run()
[17:10] <gary_poster> frankban, ah!  ok thank you.  sorry that's my oversight.
[17:10] <benji> gary_poster: after lunch I'm going to draft a charm-tools branch without breaking proof into its own project
[17:11] <frankban> gary_poster: np, fortunately the fix seems very simple
[17:11] <gary_poster> benji, ok.  will look the same as what you proposed but putting new code in a folder, I'm hoping/guessing
[17:11] <gary_poster> ?
[17:11] <gary_poster> frankban, cool ty
[17:11] <benji> gary_poster: yep, it should be pretty merge-y
[17:12] <gary_poster> benji, excellent.  you reasonably happy with outcome?
[17:12] <benji> yeah, it should be ok
[17:12] <gary_poster> cool, thank you benji
[17:19] <frankban> Makyo: review done.
[17:19] <Makyo> frankban, thanks,.
[17:31] <hatch> gary_poster the YUI Theatre is at 10pm GMT on Thursday, does that work for you?
[17:32]  * gary_poster checks to see if he is -5
[17:32] <gary_poster> hatch no, but I don't have to be there
[17:33] <hatch> ok no problem
[17:37] <frankban> alejandraobregon: hi, is luca around?
[17:39]  * gary_poster successfully processed 700 emails
[17:40] <luca__> gary_poster: someone was looking for me? :D
[17:40] <frankban> luca__: yes, time for a call?
[17:41] <gary_poster> :-)
[17:41] <hatch> beatlejuice beatlejuice luca__ *poof*
[17:41] <luca__> frankban: sure, link?
[17:42] <frankban> luca__: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpic7f8ugb19ql28t5g5geko?hl=en
[17:53] <hatch> for when you're bored - http://www.joyent.com/blog/walmart-node-js-memory-leak
[18:03] <hatch> gary_poster while I wait for my qa machines to spin up for my current branches shall I just pick off new bugs in High?
[18:09] <frankban> hatch: it seems the service name must match ^([a-z][a-z0-9]*(-[a-z0-9]*[a-z][a-z0-9]*)*)$ : see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~go-bot/juju-core/trunk/view/head:/names/service.go
[18:09] <hatch> frankban thanks perfect
[18:10] <frankban> hatch: welcome
[18:10] <hatch> I had no idea where to even start looking for that regex
[18:10] <hatch> I should learn the code structure of core some day
[18:11] <hatch> I wonder if I can just copy/paste this regex and have it work
[18:11] <hatch> do you know if Go follows the same regex scheme as javascript?
[18:11] <frankban> hatch: I usually start from the state package, that's where entities are created, and then the new sublime text 3 goto definition is just awesome
[18:11] <hatch> ugh I really don't want to get sublime 3....DON"T MAKE ME!!!
[18:12] <hatch> I'm going to guess you will require some kind of plugin for that? :)
[18:12] <frankban> hatch: oic... oh no, unfortunately it's builtin and it's AMAZING!
[18:13] <hatch> maybe I'll just keep using ack :P
[18:14] <frankban> heh
[19:05] <gary_poster> hatch, late (sorry, lunch) but yes
[19:05] <hatch> np, also on lunch now :)
[19:24] <bac> gary_poster: the problem with no default-series, should that appear on a local environment?  i cannot reproduce it but have not tried on ec2.
[19:25] <gary_poster> bac, it's not that there is no default series, but that the default series is the current OS release
[19:25] <gary_poster> the default, defaut series
[19:25] <gary_poster> +l
[19:26] <gary_poster> bac, I do not know of a difference in behavior in this regard beween local and ec2 environments, but then I can't use local environments on this computer
[19:26] <bac> gary_poster: i thought it was that there was no default-series specified in the environments.yaml file.
[19:26] <gary_poster> bac, no, that's one of the scenarios we need to handle, not the problem.  should we call?
[19:26] <bac> sure
[19:27] <bac> gary_poster: hold on, let me find headphones
[19:27] <gary_poster> ok
[19:29] <gary_poster> bac https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpj5j6u7k9a243omormrn4rg?hl=en when you are ready
[19:30] <bac> gary_poster: can you invite me?
[19:30] <gary_poster> bac which you?  I already invited one of you
[19:30] <bac> :)
[19:49] <bac> hey gary_poster, that all makes sense, except the 'juju init' environments.yaml i have has the default-series commented out, which means that scenario doesn't happen?
[19:49] <bac> s/juju-init'/juju init'-generated/
[19:50] <gary_poster> bac, if you have default series commented out, then default series will be your OS.  When you deploy GUI to new machine, though, it controls the series of the OS
[19:51] <bac> gary_poster: right, default series would be saucy, so bootstrap node would be saucy, so it should explode
[19:52] <gary_poster> bac i nec2, yes
[19:52] <gary_poster> in ec2
[19:52] <bac> but this is the situation i've been operating in for a month with no ill effects
[19:52] <gary_poster> bac, deploying to machine 0?
[19:52] <bac> using quickstart
[19:52] <bac> so, yeah, that's the default quickstart behavior
[19:53]  * bac runs off to try it anyway just to be sure
[19:53] <gary_poster> ...
[19:53] <gary_poster> ok
[19:58] <hatch> yay new wireless contract laws http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/com100/2013/r131202.htm#.UpzjsmRDtF9
[20:01] <bac> gary_poster: looky here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6510957/  -- note i have no default-series in my environments.yaml
[20:04] <gary_poster> bac, huh, ok.  thank you for going for the evidence.  seems like scenario 3 is not an issue, but scenarios 1 and 2 are reasonable.  I am pretty sure scenario 3 was real at one point; maybe it's been fixed recently.
[20:04] <bac> could be
[20:04] <bac> just good to know what we're dealing with
[20:04] <gary_poster> definitely; thanks again
[20:04] <bac> juju, less crackish
[20:08] <bac> hatch: so you can go to europe and burn through data now
[20:08] <bac> well, if you have $100 to spend
[20:09] <hatch> bac darn rights, no longer do I have to live in the stone age when I travel into your countries
[20:33] <hatch> hey does anyone know what the bzr equivalent to `git show <revno>` is?
[20:54] <hatch> gary_poster you kickin around?
[20:56] <gary_poster> hatch yeah
[20:56]  * gary_poster has to go look up git show :-P
[20:56] <hatch> so I've got my branches all finshed up buuut if a service has units in error
[20:56] <hatch> do we show them -also- in a dying section?
[20:56] <hatch> or just leave them in error
[20:57] <hatch> I'm not really sure the UX we 'should' have
[20:57] <hatch> right now they just sit on dying forever :)
[20:57] <gary_poster> hatch, I think error
[20:57] <hatch> which isn't ideal
[20:57] <hatch> ok, so only show 'green' units as 'dying'
[20:57] <gary_poster> because that's the only way you can do anything about 'em
[20:57] <hatch> got it
[20:57] <hatch> right
[20:59] <hatch> gary_poster git show allows you to show the diff of a commit
[20:59] <hatch> just dump it to stdout
[20:59] <gary_poster> hatch, pr according to git show --help, just about anything else :-P
[21:00] <bac> at 17:00:07 the dog comes to get me.  who is in charge here.  /me -> walk
[21:00] <hatch> sorry I don't understand
[21:01] <hatch> bac haha
[21:01] <gary_poster> hatch, sorry I was trying to say that git show seems like it does a whole bunch, not just that
[21:02] <gary_poster> but hatch if that is all you want
[21:02] <gary_poster> then try
[21:02] <gary_poster> bzr diff -cREVNO
[21:02] <gary_poster> that is equivalent to
[21:03] <hatch> perfect thanks
[21:03] <gary_poster> bzr diff -rPREVIOUSREVNO..REVNO
[21:03] <gary_poster> np hatch
[21:04]  * gary_poster amuses himself briefly by dragging canvas around
[21:04] <hatch> lol
[21:04] <hatch> not too brief I bet
[21:04] <hatch> :P
[21:04] <gary_poster> :-)
[21:10] <hatch> it's kind of mesmerizing isn't it?
[21:16] <hatch> rick_h_ https://www.zagatwine.com/jsp/offer/recr/us/common/recoffertemp2flow1.jsp?offerId=69600271&promoCode=5001002&utm_campaign=rc_5001002&utm_medium=Web_Display%20Ads&utm_source=zag
[21:19] <hatch> hmm system clock error while lboxing?
[21:19] <hatch> that's a new one
[21:21] <gary_poster> heh
[21:23] <hatch> I am going to guess it's because I suspended the machine in carbonite
[21:26] <hatch> gary_poster if a service is in error and someone tries to destroy it, it just sits in error, we should probably have some type of service level indicator that it's dying - do you know if we have a ticket for that?
[21:27] <gary_poster> hatch we do not.  I was actually thinking about that.  All the names for categories for that are pretty morbid. "waiting to die" "failed dying"...ugh :-)
[21:27]  * hatch hopes to fail at dying
[21:27] <hatch> lol
[21:27] <gary_poster> :-)
[21:28] <hatch> this wendy's burger I just finished eating is probably not helping that cause :/
[21:28] <gary_poster> lol
[21:34] <hatch> yuss, net negative diff
[21:34] <hatch> does that mean I need 0 reviews?
[21:34] <hatch> :P
[21:35] <hatch> jujugui looking for a simple review and lengthy qa https://codereview.appspot.com/36240043/ :)
[21:36]  * gary_poster writing email; if someone else can take it I'd appreciate it.  otherwise will look asap
[21:36] <hatch> thanks, I've had it up to *lifts arm real high* here with qa'ing this branch already :D
[21:37] <gary_poster> lol
[21:40]  * gary_poster wants to throttle thunderbird sometimes
[21:40] <hatch> I can no longer run it on my laptop for some reason
[21:40] <hatch> when it's running it's using 100% CPU
[21:40] <hatch> I'm guessing indexing? but who knows
[21:46] <gary_poster> yeah it just hangs for me while I am typing sometimes
[22:02] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:04] <hatch> morning huwshimi
[22:09] <huwshimi> Makyo: Thanks so much for landing that and adding the test!
[22:09] <gary_poster> huwshimi, it looks cool ;-)
[22:10] <huwshimi> gary_poster: Yeah, it's always been a bit strange that it didn't move with the service blocks
[22:10] <gary_poster> yeah :-)
[22:10] <gary_poster> Makyo, you available to qa hatch's branch? Ideally I'd EoD now
[22:11] <gary_poster> (I verbed that!)
[22:11] <gary_poster> ok, actually dinner is served
[22:12] <hatch> :)
[22:28] <hatch> unfortunately go and javascript parse regex's differently
[22:28] <hatch> of course!
[22:30] <Makyo> gary_poster, hatch sure, on it.
[22:31] <hatch> thanks Makyo
[22:31] <Makyo> huwshimi, no problem :)
[22:57] <hatch> oh regex
[23:03] <rick_h_> hatch: heh cool just picked up 4 new ones tonight at the store
[23:03] <rick_h_> including my first couple of Bordeaux to try out
[23:04] <hatch> :)
[23:05] <rick_h_> I'm trying to talk the wife into a sonoma anniversary trip next year, we'll see
[23:05] <hatch> ahh - yeah my parents went this year, said it was awesome
[23:06] <hatch> well I have finally figured out my regex so now I can go feed the critters
[23:06] <hatch> bbiab
[23:11]  * gary_poster here and gone.  bye! :-)


[18:27] <lolek_> alkisg: hi, not sure you remember me but some time ago you gave me a link to https://github.com/stcz/initramfs-tools-network-hook for getting vlan working in initramfs, long story short I'd like to know if you're using it and if you found any problems with it?
[18:30] <lolek_> alkisg, I'm asking cause it seems for me on debian 11.5 it's not willing to work :(
[18:46] <alkisg> lolek_: no I'm not using it my switches support vlan per port
[18:47] <lolek_> alkisg, yes mine to but I need to have two vlans over one nic
[18:47] <lolek_> hence I need to handle this on the box not on the switch
[18:47] <alkisg> I only need that for the servers not the clients
[18:48] <lolek_> well the box I'm using is a server.. file server but need to be visible in two vlans
[18:49] <lolek_> so I prefer to have it two address from two different vlans over one NIC
[18:49] <lolek_> then I can expose required services on the needed network
[18:49] <alkisg> In my servers networking is brought up after the initramfs,  so I'm using network manager
[18:51] <lolek_> no go I need it earlier because of encryption
[18:52] <alkisg> Yeh I get it
[18:52] <JanC> if the server has 2 NICs, you could still set up 2 VLANs on the switch, of course...
[18:54] <JanC> (if you can't get the software solution to work...)
[18:54] <lolek_> JanC, only one nic... it's for home use so second nic would increase power consumption
[18:55] <lolek_> right now I got down up to 9W when idle with 1 ssd
[18:55] <JanC> right
[18:56] <lolek_> JanC, yeah that's an option of a last resort, right now the system already handle that the only problem is the initramfs and dropbear
[18:56] <JanC> home switch probably has less ports available also  :)
[18:57] <lolek_> JanC, I've got 16 port switch, had to upgrade since the old one was not enough already :D
[18:57] <JanC> more ports = more power consumption for switches too  :)
[18:57] <lolek_> JanC, yes but there's only 8 or 16
[18:58] <lolek_> nothing in between and when ports are not used, they're shut off so it's not like always 100% energy
[18:58] <JanC> the processors in those switches have to be capable to handle all the traffic when all are in use though
[18:59] <JanC> OTOH, maybe those home switches aren't designed to run all ports at full speed all the time  :)
[19:01] <lolek_> JanC, previous switch max power usage was 3.3 it was dump 8 port switch, now I've got managed switch 16 port and according to the spec sheet it's 10W I understand that it's when all ports are in use
[19:01] <lolek_> but yeah... not much I can do with that I need 11 ports so
[19:01] <lolek_> and vlans :D
[19:02] <JanC> I need to buy a non-dumb switch for home some day...
[19:06] <lolek_> JanC, pick up carefully ... tp-link has better power efficency but lacks some functionality, d-link has that but use more power
[19:06] <lolek_> I can also say that I'm quite positively surprised with d-link support
[19:07] <JanC> yeah, it's why I haven't bought one yet; first need to figure out what I want exactly
[19:07] <lolek_> JanC, now I need to buy another switch also managed
[19:07] <lolek_> JanC, pm? so we won't spam here
[19:09] <JanC> it's not a "soon" project for me probably, and by the time I buy one TP-link might be better than D-link, or there might be another better option still, etc.  :)
[19:14] <alkisg> Why do you need vlans at the initramfs? You can unlock the encryption with vlan1 = native, and initialize vlan2 later on
[19:14] <lolek_> JanC, there was a problem between tp-link and d-link, the first one was missing some functionality I think it was link aggregation
[19:14] <lolek_> alkisg, on switch the port is set to trunk so I need tagged packets
[19:15] <lolek_> alkisg, if packes won't be tagget switch won't pass it up to the router
[19:15] <lolek_> *packets
[19:19] <lolek_> ok, need to go, alkisg JanC thanks for the conv
[19:20] <alkisg> 👍


[13:30] <mehdi2> hi, anybody with SMF forum experience here?
[13:43] <mehdi2> apollo13: zed, sorry our forum.ubuntu.ir keeps saying guest account is blocked and don't let us login in anyway! can you please have a look at our DB?
[13:44] <apollo13> mehdi2: I don't think so, I have no idea of smf, aside from that you do have access to the db yourself, don't you?
[13:44] <mehdi2> not now, unfortunately!
[13:44] <mehdi2> I'm on a trip...
[13:45] <mehdi2> it should be db issue, I guess
[13:45] <mehdi2> apollo13:
[13:45] <apollo13> well then we are already two with no secure access currently
[13:48] <mehdi2> apollo13: so can you take a look in our DB when you have secure connection? I'll be really thankful
[13:48] <apollo13> mehdi2: a) it won't be today, b) I have no idea what I should do there…
[13:48] <mehdi2> ok, thanks
[13:49] <mehdi2> zed: ping
[13:49] <mehdi2> apollo13: any other people I can ask for help?
[13:49] <apollo13> no idea
[14:17] <mehdi2> apollo13: ok, anytime you have access to servers please look in our db logs... maybe mysql "REPAIR TABLE TABLE_NAME" or "OPTIMIZE TABLE" will help...
[14:18] <mehdi2> is it possible I bypass load balancer to visit our forum? by adding some thing in host file ?
[14:18] <mehdi2> apollo13: ^
[14:50] <apollo13> mehdi2: "maybe mysql … will help" won't be enough; aside from the fact that it appears to be a software problem, a crashed table would throw other errors
[14:51] <mehdi2> apollo13: do you have backups of our db ?
[14:51] <apollo13> sure
[14:52] <mehdi2> it should be enough, nothing is changed in software side....
[14:52] <apollo13> doubt that
[14:52] <apollo13> looking at google there are more than one software reason for this
[14:53] <mehdi2> you can see smf_messages table
[14:53] <apollo13> I already told you I have no access currently, so NO
[14:55] <mehdi2> ok


[04:26] <mornfall> Off to train, see ya in Prague in ~3.5 hours : - ].
[04:26] <DaSkReEcH> Bye
[05:21]  * DaSkReEcH winces
[05:21] <DaSkReEcH> sabdfl responded to aseigo
[05:23] <bobesponja> DaSkReEcH: what did aseigo say again? :)
[05:23] <DaSkReEcH> He's refreneced in the blogpost
[05:24] <bobesponja> DaSkReEcH: do you know why is he being anti (k)ubuntu these days?
[05:25] <DaSkReEcH> He's not
[05:25] <DaSkReEcH> I take it you haven't read the post b) followed the discussion
[05:29] <bobesponja> ok, I thought you were talking about aseigo post that was saying "ubuntu is not the most popular" :)
[05:30] <DaSkReEcH> oh no
[05:30] <bobesponja> yes I read mark post, I see what aseigo post you were talking about
[05:39] <DaSkReEcH> does the kernel release on a scheduled basis now?
[07:10] <DaSkReEcH> nixternal!!!!
[07:10] <nixternal> yo
[07:11] <Jucato> wb nixternal
[07:12] <DaSkReEcH> nixternal: saw sabdfl's post?
[07:15] <nixternal> about the syncronization of releases and what not?
[07:15] <DaSkReEcH> yep
[07:16] <\sh> nixternal, why is kde4.0.4 still claiming to be 4.0.3? ,-)
[07:16] <nixternal> cuz we never updated the kdelibs package with the new tarball that says 4.0.4
[07:17] <\sh> nixternal, do it ...;) damn you, I was thinking I missed something and searched for the bug on my side ;)
[07:17] <nixternal> hehe
[07:17] <nixternal> ya, after I uploaded to -backports they released a new tarball with just a s/4.0.3/4.0.4/ change
[07:17] <nixternal> howdy Lure!
[07:18] <Jucato> whoa! Lure!!
[07:18]  * nixternal wishes he was in Prague
[07:18]  * \sh just got cought yesterday again of the "I want flashplayer just play sound via PA" ...and saw that libflashsupport was deinstalled of some weired reason...
[07:18] <Lure> hello nixternal
[07:18] <Lure> and Jucato!
[07:19] <Lure> and others!
[07:19] <Lure> nixternal: oh, you did not make it?
[07:19] <DaSkReEcH> argh this is going to be an interesting back and forth
[07:19] <Jucato> it the return of the comeback!!
[07:19] <nixternal> Lure: not this time around...couldn't get the passport taken care of in time, plus I have a job interview on Monday
[07:19] <Lure> nixternal: I wish you luck with job interview
[07:20] <nixternal> thank you...I hope I get it...fun job
[07:20] <Jucato> yeah good luck :)
[07:20] <nixternal> appliance and application development, as well as distro packaging...all free software too
[07:20]  * nixternal has been writing spec files to get that openSUSE packaging down
[07:20] <Jucato> are you going to make refrigerators now?
[07:20] <DaSkReEcH> right I have hell to go through tomorrow
[07:20] <nixternal> and reading up on PXE booting
[07:20] <DaSkReEcH> might as well start sleeping now
[07:21] <nixternal> appliance as in vm appliances of the companies application(s)
[07:21]  * Jucato knows.. but can't help but associate appliance with those thigns :)
[07:21]  * nixternal wants a new fridge though
[07:22] <nixternal> I am planning on going to get a new hi def tv this weekend, maybe a fridge too
[07:22]  * Jucato thinks he needs one too... might have broken the knob...
[07:22] <nixternal> need a big screen setup so I can play Tiger Woods Golf on the Wii in life size :)
[07:23] <\sh> nixternal, spec files are simple
[07:23] <nixternal> that they are
[07:23] <nixternal> there are enough for me to learn from on build.opensuse.com
[07:23] <nixternal> I have the Debian and Conary packaging down
[07:24] <\sh> if any 10 year old can write rpm spec files....
[07:24] <nixternal> I am not a 10 year old though :p
[07:24] <DaSkReEcH> I wonder how long it'll take aseigo to resist a reply
[07:24] <nixternal> to what?
[07:24] <\sh> nixternal, that's why you will rock b.o.c ;)
[07:25] <DaSkReEcH> nixternal: sabdfl
[07:25] <nixternal> oh
[07:25] <nixternal> I pay it no attention
[07:25] <nixternal> but you know he will
[07:25] <DaSkReEcH> Yeah
[07:26] <nixternal> politics are not my cup of tea anymore...it seems all of the stupid people in the world are involved in them
[07:26] <DaSkReEcH> and ust when we were getting into a nice groove of discussion too :(
[07:26] <DaSkReEcH> Well they have to have a job somehow
[07:26] <nixternal> unfortunately, politics is the only sector in the US where there aren't job shortages
[07:27] <nixternal> I wish they could get layed off
[07:27] <DaSkReEcH> they can
[07:27] <DaSkReEcH> but ignorance breeds ignorance
[07:27] <nixternal> the one thing I love right now, are the democrats tearing themselves apart trying to pick the better idiot
[07:28] <nixternal> at least the republicans already picked their idiot
[07:29] <\sh> you know what's funny...you are invited to a grill evening of the company...and 3 people will just ran towards you, and ask you: "Dude, you are the guy who works also on this fantastic Ubuntu Distro, yes? Good to have you onboard...we are switching from debian to ubuntu right now, and we need help to support it...now we have you"
[07:30] <nixternal> \sh: that is kind of how my first 2 phone interviews went with this company I am interviewing with on Monday :)
[07:31] <nixternal> CentOS -> Ubuntu and Foresight (if I have my way, Kubuntu and Foresight)
[07:31] <\sh> nixternal, yeah...oss work is just a good job opportunity :)
[07:31] <nixternal> that it is
[07:31] <nixternal> luckily chicago has quite a few oss jobs
[07:32] <DaSkReEcH> i so read that with a different vowel
[07:51] <\sh> http://www.barisione.org/blog.html/p=129 <-- bah...yeah it's Ubuntu OS and never was Ubuntu Linux ;)
[08:01] <mornfall> So where are the KDE folks..? : - ]
[10:39] <Serega> heya
[11:18] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you like the rest of the world :)
[16:12] <yuriy> everybody at fosscamp?
[16:12] <ScottK> Nope.
[16:14] <davmor2> no :(
[16:17] <ScottK> I'm missing fosscamp.  I leave tomorrow night (~30 hours) and arrive in Prague Sunday PM.
[16:17] <jjesse> is #uds going to be the channel? or #uds-prague?
[16:17] <jjesse> i can't be there this time :(
[16:34] <nixternal> mornin'
[16:34] <Jucato> moin!
[16:34] <jjesse> mroning
[16:36] <nixternal> time to upgrade the server...brb
[16:52] <jjesse> for uds-intrepid will there be an irc channel/gobby/voip etc/
[16:52] <jjesse> ?
[16:52] <ScottK> I'm sure there will.  I don't know what it will be.
[16:52] <jjesse> #uds-interprid?
[16:57] <jjesse> are there seriously no blueprints targeted for uds-intrepid?
[16:59] <jjesse> or am i searching blueprints.launchpad.net wrong?
[17:00] <ScottK> I think they haven't linked them yet.
[17:00] <jjesse> ah
[17:00] <ScottK> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSPragueSpecs?action=show
[17:00] <jjesse> trying to figure out what will be discussed
[17:02] <yuriy> would it be useful to link related bugs and specs on that page?
[17:42] <nixternal> NO MORE SCHOOL!!!
[17:43] <jjesse> yay
[17:43] <jjesse> so you graduate ?
[17:43] <jjesse> or just done
[17:43] <nixternal> just done :)
[17:43] <nixternal> I could graduate, but I feel like I want more
[17:43] <nixternal> just a bit slower from this point on
[17:43] <nixternal> maybe 1 class a semester..no more full-time though
[18:00] <nixternal> whew, just found out that the new job possibility means 0% travel
[18:07]  * Artemis_Fowl pings seele
[19:19] <\sh> didn't we had one ppa with trunk kde4 inside?
[19:45] <ScottK> I don't think so.
[19:46] <\sh> grmpf..I'm too lazy to set it up myself
[20:03] <emonkey> \sh, if apachelogger is in a good mood you've got maybe a chance that he'll do it ...?
[20:04] <ScottK> \sh: It should hit Intrepid pretty soon.
[20:04]  * emonkey goes away before apachelogger catches him ... :p
[20:04]  * apachelogger throws his trunk checkout at emonkey
[20:05] <\sh> ScottK: na...I want really setup a nightly trunk build service somehow
[20:06] <apachelogger> \sh: you just have to enhance neon
[20:06] <\sh> apachelogger: it's da ruby, right?
[20:06] <apachelogger> or you use neon as base
[20:06] <apachelogger> \sh: yes
[20:06] <\sh> apachelogger: so..no go..."dare you, no ruby in my house" (to change the quote from midnight in Constantine)
[20:07] <apachelogger> ^_^
[20:07] <\sh> apachelogger: it should be done with simple homebrewn sysadmin tools in no time...
[20:08] <\sh> we can work some crap out in berlin
[20:08] <emonkey> yes Berlin! I can't wait :)
[20:08] <apachelogger> well, with neon you just need to add the packaging stuff and you're done ;-)
[20:09] <\sh> apachelogger: ah wait...neon remotes svn + cmake and I have to remote in ruby the debianesse form?
[20:09] <apachelogger> dood, that question is confusing :P
[20:09] <emonkey> are there any ppa stats about how many ppl are using them?
[20:09] <apachelogger> emonkey: no
[20:10] <apachelogger> eventually Nightrose did a wishlist report about it
[20:10] <emonkey> that would be cool
[20:10] <emonkey> nice!
[20:10] <apachelogger> because I didn't but I am sure we talked about it at some point
[20:10]  * emonkey hugs Nightrose
[20:10] <\sh> apachelogger: neon is just like a type of maven? a new order build system, build from people not knowing make and curl?
[20:11] <apachelogger> \sh: http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2008/05/project-neon-explained.html
[20:12] <apachelogger> one part fetches all the source trees, tars them up and then distro specific modules jump in and do whatever they want
[20:12] <apachelogger> in case of ubuntu dump a debian directory in the source tree, create the package srcs and upload them to a ppa
[20:12] <\sh> apachelogger: a type of mave
[20:12] <\sh> maven even
[20:13] <apachelogger> yeah
[20:13] <\sh> use maven then ;)
[20:13] <\sh> no need for ruby
[20:13] <emonkey> ^^
[20:13] <\sh> but wait...maven is java crap
[20:13] <ScottK> That's redundant.
[20:13] <\sh> yeah...the only real way to achieve things: Makefile + wget
[20:13] <apachelogger> floss itself is redundant :P
[20:13] <\sh> or curl
[20:14] <\sh> right...let's go back to dos
[20:14] <\sh> and emm386.exe
[20:14] <apachelogger> btw, I am a bit worried about using the current debian KDE 4.1 packaging
[20:15]  * emonkey is pleased to see forward for a lot of nice duscussion in about ten days in Belrin :)
[20:15] <apachelogger> they are patching cmake/kde's cmake wrappers to not depend recursive
[20:15] <apachelogger> while that is a good thing, it's untested
[20:16] <\sh> apachelogger: and who test it before implementing?
[20:16] <apachelogger> we
[20:16] <apachelogger> do
[20:16] <\sh> I mean, someone wrote that, and had to had a unit test before that ;)
[20:16] <\sh> yeeha...debian used my patch
[20:16] <\sh> wow...
[20:16] <apachelogger> \sh: couple of debian pkg-kde people from what I've seen
[20:17] <apachelogger> a problem might really only appear for the developer section
[20:17] <apachelogger> like 3rd party applications refuse to build with the patches etc.
[20:17] <emonkey> \sh, wine patch or what?
[20:17] <\sh> emonkey: no...makefile patch for driftnet ;)
[20:18] <apachelogger> ....this patching is also the reason why libqt4.4 has "missing dependencies"
[20:18] <emonkey> hmk ... no idea but sounds interesting
[20:18] <apachelogger> they are just not needed when cmake doesn't require them recursive
[20:18] <\sh> emonkey: simple "why you are using -lungif, when today is -lgif"
[20:19] <emonkey> o_O *confused* I think I'm just underexperienced with all this developing stuff
[20:19] <\sh> apachelogger: so fixing libqt4.4 is the first thing to do...if those recursiveness is not necessary at all...it sounds like a broken implementation by design ;)
[20:21] <apachelogger> \sh: yeah that is what they are doing
[20:21] <apachelogger> but from what I have read so far the overall changes are quite complex
[20:21] <apachelogger> which is also the reason the lead cmake guy of KDE doesn't want to do it before KDE 4.2
[20:23] <\sh> emonkey: don't be confused...you could be really confused, when you sit with Delphi developers during a grill event and discuss with them the madness of using Delphi in todays businesses, and showing them really nice bugs which are in delphi since ages...while you are drunk like an elephant eating fermented amarula fruits
[20:24] <\sh> apachelogger: and debian doesn't trust the word of upstream?
[20:25] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[20:25] <apachelogger> IMO they make the issue more important than it is
[20:25] <emonkey-t> !last
[20:26] <apachelogger> the worst thing that might happen is the need of a stack rebuild upon qt
[20:26] <\sh> yes, it's matter of "not trusting upstream" imho
[20:26] <\sh> why not use our own package layout like our gnome friends do?
[20:26] <\sh> or actually release them before debian can?
[20:27] <apachelogger> well, using our own package layout is what I propose
[20:27] <apachelogger> but IMO that's not necessary as long as everything works
[20:28] <apachelogger> and that only for intrepid since KDE is probably applying the changes to KDE 4.2 which is going to be in intrepid+1 anyway
[20:29] <\sh> depends...what could be more difficult? using our own packages where we are upstream for, or using debian upstream packages and removing changes which are meant to hurt, at least because real upstream says so?
[20:30] <\sh> anyways.../me goes off and tries to watch some news...
[20:30] <\sh> and relax
[20:31] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img092.png
[20:32] <apachelogger> \sh: we would just have to remove the patches and reintroduce the dependencies to libqt4-dev AFAIK
[21:05] <ryanakca> If anybody asks, the kmplayer merge is taken, I'm just waiting for Debian to apply some of our changes so that I can merge them back into Kubuntu :)
[21:06] <ryanakca> mind you, you could've figured that out by looking at the bug report... *wanders away*
[21:07] <apachelogger> lol
[22:24] <etretyak> yay! yay! yay!
[22:25] <etretyak> i won! i won! :-)
[22:25] <etretyak> http://news.launchpad.net/general/launchpad-logo-contest-winner-announced
[22:35] <jussi01> etretyak: congrats!
[22:35] <etretyak> jussi01: thanks!
[23:52] <mmmiiikkkeee> I am trying to build kde from source using the guide on http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#kdelibs but some of the svn commands don't seem to be working.  It keeps telling me "svn  No such revision ######".  am i doing some thing wrong or is there a bug in svn?