[06:40] <pitti> Good morning
[06:41] <pitti> cjwatson: in that case these are usuall "temporary testbed failures", I'll sort them out
[06:42] <pitti> cjwatson: we had gazillions of failures and retrys over the weekends due to some cloud trouble again, sorry
[06:42] <pitti> Mirv: filing a bug and overriding WFM
[07:07] <Mirv> pitti: ok
[07:14] <Mirv> pitti: bug #1523364 filed
[07:36] <pitti> Mirv: thanks! hinted kwin
[07:50] <highvoltage>  /win 38
[07:55] <dholbach> good morning
[07:56] <sladen> likewise
[07:59] <Mirv> pitti: thanks! what's up by the way with all the "Test in progress" ones that don't seem to happen? for example I see akonadi-calendar, frameworkintegration etc for armhf at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#qtbase-opensource-src but not in http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml#queue-xenial-armhf
[07:59] <seb128> hey dholbach
[07:59] <dholbach> hey seb128
[08:00] <Mirv> or ubuntuone-credentials for all archs
[08:08] <Trevinho> Hi folks
[08:26] <robert2> Hi
[08:28] <robert2> when I using wily in armhf,but dash and left bar miss
[08:29] <robert2> dconf reset -f /org/compiz/ && setsid unity
[08:30] <robert2> compiz (opengl) - Fatal: GL_OES_EGL_image is missing  is output
[08:36] <Mirv> xnox: I prefer having qt uploads through CI Train so that I know what's landing - I was preparing ubuntu2 for now but I will import your changes to the packaging git and switch to ubuntu3 instead
[08:37] <pitti> Mirv: I'll take care of that
[08:41] <alkisg> pitti: good morning, I'm seeing a regression for LP: #1492546 in 228-2ubuntu1, is it by design or should I try to find out what exactly caused it?
[08:45] <pitti> alkisg: that surely doesn't sound like it's by design; maybe indeed some unintended change
[08:45] <smb> Logan, I probably should (dahdi) as time allows. There were a few things more pressing before.
[08:53] <pitti> didrocks, tseliot, apw: so wrt. plymouth and vga16gb: last time I saw a computer with an nvidia card, it looked pretty much like a text plymouth interface
[08:53] <pitti> is there really much difference between the vga16fb renderer and the text one?
[08:53] <pitti> i. e. could we drop the former?
[08:54] <robert2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1086736 is sloved?
[08:56] <robert2> ubottu> I find that bug,but I don't know how to fix it
[08:59] <apw> pitti, i cirtainily only care it works in that situation it is such a short period of time
[09:20] <Mirv> pitti: sorry to ping so much but the hinting is not seen on excuses page although it was updated 25min ago
[09:23] <pitti> Mirv: odd indeed; the hint is there, I'll check closer in a bit
[09:36] <xnox> Mirv, sure, however s390x builds are not done for landings yet, as far as i know.
[09:37] <Mirv> xnox: ah, true that, they'd be nice to have soonish as s390x progresses. anyway, I'm nearing the now ubuntu3 testing so if you have anything new for that, send the to me and I can combine.
[09:38] <tseliot> pitti, didrocks: right, I had to disable that for nvidia but it should no longer be an issue to re-enable it (I simply forgot to do it).
[09:38] <pitti> tseliot: do we have to?
[09:39] <didrocks> yeah, it's been like that for cycles, isn't it?
[09:39] <pitti> tseliot: if so, I guess it has been disabled for a long time alreddy?
[09:39] <Mirv> xnox: the packaging btw is at http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/qt/qtbase.git/log/?h=ubuntu
[09:40] <xnox> Mirv, well, that my upload still failed tests on s390x, i have made the tests run with -k now, to see all failures.
[09:41] <tseliot> pitti: as a matter of fact, we probably don't. I haven't tested the KMS module that nvidia provides now
[09:41] <pitti> tseliot: wow, did I hear "nvidia" and "KMS" in one sentenc? :-)
[09:41] <xnox> Mirv, using `make -k` for tests is one thing to add, and make the good/bad arches do fail or e.g. || true -> such that we still run tests, but see how good/bad they are.
[09:42] <xnox> Mirv, that's nice, but i don't have commit access there, now do i =) how do you want patches for that repo?
[09:42] <xnox>  /o\
[09:43] <tseliot> pitti: right :) that's part of a release that we don't have in the archive yet
[09:45] <Mirv> xnox: anything is fine - git repo somewhere, LP bug with attachments, debdiff..
[09:48] <xnox> Mirv, if you want to upload now, you should mark s390x as `bad' arch for the tests.
[09:49] <xnox> but i will work to enable test suite for it, cause i don't want it to regress.
[09:51] <Mirv> xnox: alright, let's re-enable it once the test suite passes
[10:00] <alkisg> pitti: is there somewhere that I could see the systemd history in ubuntu, along with its debian/ folder? In http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~registry/systemd/master/files I don't see debian/ ...
[10:00] <alkisg> (so that I could do some bisection...)
[10:01] <pitti> alkisg: it's maintained here: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-systemd/systemd.git
[10:01] <alkisg> Thank you!
[10:01] <pitti> alkisg: I keep the ubuntu delta in the ubuntu branch, but it just keeps getting rebased
[10:01] <pitti> so not much to bisect there
[10:01] <alkisg> OK, checking...
[10:07] <xnox> pitti, can acpid please be waived through autopkgtest, or rather nvidia-graphics-drivers-340[-updates] to be marked as bad on armhf. I'm not quite sure why armhf tests are failing for nvidia-graphics-drivers.
[10:07] <xnox> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#acpid
[10:36] <Laney> @pilot in
[11:49] <cjwatson> pitti: well, it's not just temp failures, it's that the excuses output doesn't appear to accurately reflect the most recent runs
[11:49] <cjwatson> pitti: and when I looked, the queues were empty
[11:50] <cjwatson> pitti: still, I guess we'll see if they clear now
[11:52] <LocutusOfBorg1> hi Unit193 the service file for vboxweb is in place
[11:52] <LocutusOfBorg1> let me know if it works or not
[12:15] <Laney> slangasek: Do you know who the right person to look at bug #1465386 might be?
[12:16] <Laney> xnox: bug #1472314 looks like it is waiting for you
[12:19] <xnox> Laney, i disagree with is =) ./debian/rules clean must be run between built steps =)
[12:19] <xnox> *it
[12:21] <Laney> the comment #3 doesn't involve packaging
[12:21] <Laney> but take it to the bug please :P
[12:38] <xnox> Laney, =D
[12:38] <xnox> Mirv, does Qt at all work on big-endian platforms? I sense there are legit test suite failures on big-endian.
[13:01] <Laney> doko: can you comment on sruing bug #1501300 please?
[13:01] <Laney> (in the bug)
[13:02] <stevenm_> Hey, anyone here familiar with the ubiquity installer?  i'm looking at the bottom of the ubiquity/plugins/ubi-prepare.py file
[13:03] <xnox> stevenm_, #ubuntu-installer is a better channel for things like that.
[13:03] <doko> Laney, done
[13:03] <stevenm_> ah ok thanks xnox
[13:13] <Laney> doko: ty
[13:20] <Mirv> xnox: not sure about working, but it builds and upstream accepts patches. upstream does not run any of their tests on big endian archs afaik (last time I checked their test configurations it was arm/x86 only)
[13:22] <xnox> Mirv, e.g. they don't use "gcc atomics" and have per arch, atomics, there are no atomics committed for s390x, and then it fallback to bitshifts... little endian way...
[13:22] <xnox> src/corelib/io/qloggingcategory.h
[13:24] <Mirv> xnox: arm64 enablement was contributed to upstream from us if I remember correctly. feel free to submit commits https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/q/project:qt/qtbase,n,z and I can also add you to the Canonical CLA group in Qt upstream
[13:24] <xnox> hm, well there is Q_BIG_ENDIAN defined with reverse shifts.... =/
[13:30] <xnox> Mirv, hm... something is really odd.
[13:31] <pitti> cjwatson: right, I did some admin and upgrades with clearing the queues in between; armhf is still sick, the others are catching up now
[13:43] <seb128> doko, do you plan to submit your pep8 changes to Debian?
[13:43] <seb128> doko, or do we need an Ubuntu delta know to fix build issues for things like https://launchpadlibrarian.net/222742791/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.prospector_0.10.1%2Bgit20150706.a00e191-1_BUILDING.txt.gz ?
[13:45] <seb128> e.g do we need to change things build-depending on pep8 to use python-pep8?
[13:51] <xnox> Mirv, so, i'd like to upload qtbase with s390x set to bad architectures for now.
[13:51] <xnox> Mirv, shall i upload it, or do you want to do that via debian/git/landing ?
[13:52] <xnox> it's blocking a lot of s390x bootstrap, and i think the problems are real, and i'd need more time fixing them, but i'm not yet sure of the priority on those.
[13:52] <xnox> e.g. it's not critical for the next milestone as far as i can see.
[13:53] <Mirv> xnox: I've it in my next upload, so no need to upload. I just wish the migration of Qt 5.5 to release pocket could happen before triggering another 1000 of tests with a new upload.
[13:55] <Mirv> xnox: it'd sound like pitti has unblocked something in the queue so maybe there's hope for the migration later today. meanwhile, I have my part of the next qtbase upload seemingly done so I will pre-build a version of that in a landing PPA to copy over once the migration has happened.
[13:56] <xnox> Mirv, it will not, because of lack of s390x build, and lack of poppler.
[13:56] <xnox> but let me double check that.
[13:57] <xnox> or maybe it will.
[13:57] <pitti> Mirv, xnox: I'm done with infra rescuing, and armhf are back; I'm looking at excuses.html now to see what's stuck
[13:57] <Mirv> xnox: well qtbase surely never built on s390x so it couldn't be blocking
[13:57] <xnox> if we ignore outstanding tests to do.
[13:58] <xnox> Mirv, ok, and does it ignore failures on s390x for now?
[13:59] <Mirv> xnox: the new upload yes, I've only opted-in amd64 armhf i386 for the test runs. if you have some more additions than what you had in ubuntu2 upload (there was -k added at the end of xvfb line at least), I can add those
[13:59] <Mirv> xnox: what I'm going to upload is there in the git
[14:00] <xnox> Mirv, true. and looking at qtbase.git tree it looks good.
[14:00] <xnox> in terms of s390x build should pass, once you copy it over into the archive proper.
[14:00] <xnox> if you could do that, it would be wonderful.
[14:00] <Mirv> that's what I believe too
[14:00] <xnox> Mirv, i'd be happy with git uploaded soon.
[14:00] <xnox> i will work on these things more, later.
[14:01] <Mirv> xnox: I will do that but as said I'd like to see the migration happen first, since a new qtbase would trigger lots of autopkgtests again which are already struggling. but I'd say tomorrow morning (16h) I'd do it if the migration has finally happened
[14:01] <xnox> why ubuntu-minimal is not installable does worry me more on s390x at the moment.
[14:01] <cjwatson> procps
[14:02] <cjwatson> if that ever migrates then I believe it'd fix it
[14:02] <xnox> cool.
[14:03] <cjwatson> currently blocked on systemd/{armhf,i386}, openafs/armhf, and sysdig/armhf autopkgtest regressions, and clamav/armhf autopkgtest in progress
[14:03] <xnox> cjwatson, and how did you work that out, so quickly =)
[14:03] <cjwatson> sounded like pitti was looking into that kind of thing
[14:03] <cjwatson> xnox: I looked into something else the other day with chdist and ended up there
[14:03] <cjwatson> xnox: don't actually know it's the only blocker for ubuntu-minimal, but it's certainly a significant one
[14:04] <xnox> ok.
[14:05]  * xnox ponders if pitti is in ~ubuntu-release or not.
[14:05] <pitti> formally I am, for pushing hints
[14:05] <xnox> Laney, looking at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#procps could systemd tests be ignored, or e.g. procps hinted to ignore autopkgtests?
[14:06] <xnox> ah cool.
[14:07] <pitti> xnox: I'll hint it
[14:07] <xnox> pitti, i'm looking into procps and ncurses. and whether ncurses will be needed too, to get procps migratable.
[14:07] <cjwatson> xnox: it clearly is, excuses says so
[14:07] <pitti> xnox: already is
[14:07] <pitti> as I said, I'm currently walking over excuses.html and see what's stuck, updating some hints
[14:08] <pitti> like pyx
[14:08] <pitti> and the two sytemd failures were due to infra bugs, not procps etc.
[14:08] <pitti> while the queues catch up we can speed up the landing of those
[14:08] <xnox> right. thanks, ok.
[14:08] <pitti> (yay for having multiple staggered infra disasters :( )
[14:09] <Laney> thanks
[14:09]  * Laney eats own arm
[14:09] <Laney> @pilot out
[14:23] <Mirv> pitti: did you figure out why the kwin being hinted is not showing?
[14:26] <Mirv> hmm now it seems autopkgtests are failing because apt would get uninstalled o_O
[14:32] <pitti> Mirv: not yet, but as I wrote above, I'm currently doing -proposed cleanup, getting there
[14:33] <Mirv> pitti: ok
[14:55] <gQuigs> hi there, do I need to do anything else for the SRU of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/1505328 ?
[14:57] <gQuigs> is "get a sponsor" and  subscribe ubuntu-sponsors the same thing?  (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure)
[15:03] <seb128> Laney, cyphermox, hey, any idea why network-manager-gnome is missing for xenial desktop isos? it's a recommends from n-m so it should be either, I though that maybe it was uninstallable for some reason but I don't see why it would (and can't get an error by pbuilder testing)
[15:05] <cyphermox> looking
[15:05] <gQuigs> seb128: well, the versions seem off to me -gnome is on 1.0.6 and nm is on 1.0.4
[15:05] <seb128> gQuigs, why would that be an issue?
[15:06] <cyphermox> gQuigs: that shouldn't matter
[15:06] <cyphermox> well, as long as it remains installable anyway
[15:06] <cyphermox> seb128: was the package missing altogether or just no indicator in the panel?
[15:06] <seb128> gQuigs, 15.10 has 1.0.4 and 0.9.10
[15:06] <seb128> cyphermox, it's not on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/xenial-desktop-amd64.manifest
[15:06] <cyphermox> wow
[15:07] <seb128> right
[15:07] <cyphermox> ah, perhaps it's indeed from the merge
[15:07] <cyphermox> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/228999342/buildlog_ubuntu_xenial_amd64_ubuntu_BUILDING.txt.gz
[15:07] <cyphermox> ^ mentions it just once as a Recommends, but never after tht
[15:07] <cyphermox> *that
[15:08] <gQuigs> hmm.. I thought they were the same source package.. oops
[15:08] <seb128> gQuigs, oh, about your "find a sponsors", subscribing the team is a good way to do that yes
[15:09] <seb128> though for a security fix you might want the ubuntu-security-sponsors
[15:10] <gQuigs> seb128: yea, I'm guessing that's why it seems in limbo, security team said they want it to go throught the normal SRU process
[15:11] <seb128> oh ok, then ubuntu-sponsors is right
[15:11] <mdeslaur> gQuigs: sorry, I'll look at your cups bug today
[15:11] <mdeslaur> gQuigs: you erased the previous debdiff, so now I have to review it all over again :P
[15:11] <gQuigs> mdeslaur: oh, you can also do normal SRUs? :)
[15:12] <mdeslaur> gQuigs: I can ack it and upload it, then the SRU team will handle it
[15:12] <gQuigs> 'doh, the name of the old one kept confusing, it was final patch or something.. bad choice on my part
[15:12] <gQuigs> thanks both
[15:13] <seb128> cyphermox, was reported as bug #1522955 for reference
[15:13] <cyphermox> seb128: ok
[15:13] <seb128> cyphermox, I'm a bit puzzled at why, I tried to install ubuntu-desktop and the other plugins in a pbuilder and no error
[15:14] <cyphermox> yep
[15:25] <seb128> cyphermox, k, found the issue
[15:25] <cyphermox> ah?
[15:26] <seb128> cyphermox, that change got dropped in the n-m-applet merge
[15:26] <seb128>  network-manager-applet (<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu9) vivid; urgency=medium
[15:26] <seb128>
[15:26] <seb128>    * Switch gnome-icon-theme to adwaita-icon-theme, which is its
[15:26] <seb128> or g-i-t is in universe
[15:26] <seb128> so it makes n-m-gnome uninstallable
[15:26] <cyphermox> oh, of course
[15:26] <cyphermox> *sigh*
[15:26] <cyphermox> you or I fix?
[15:26] <seb128> as you want
[15:26] <seb128> is there a vcs for it?
[15:26] <cyphermox> yeah
[15:27] <seb128> if so you probably have that set up so please do
[15:27] <seb128> thanks :-)
[15:27] <cyphermox> ok ;)
[15:27] <cyphermox> lp:~network-manager/network-manager-applet/ubuntu
[15:27] <seb128> yeah, I'm basically being lazy :p
[15:28] <seb128> but I can do it if you prefer
[15:29] <cyphermox> no I'm on it :)
[15:29] <seb128> cool, thanks
[15:29] <cyphermox> just sharing the vcs for posterity.
[15:29] <seb128> :-)
[15:33] <Laney> seb128: good find
[15:34] <seb128> Laney, thanks!
[16:13] <xnox> mvo, what is this _apt user business?
[16:13] <xnox> i've seen this failing, and like sbuild and/or apt complaints about it.
[16:13] <mvo> xnox: in a meeting right now so a bit short: its the drop privs user that we use when downloading debs
[16:15] <xnox> mvo, cool, ok. who should create it? cause e.g. sbuild autopkgtest is failing at the moment because of this.
[16:19] <mvo> xnox: hm, I thought we fixed that in the latest apt build
[16:19] <mvo> xnox: its created via postinst
[16:20] <Laney> Is it failing on stderr output?
[16:21] <seb128> yes
[16:21] <seb128> mvo, there is a warning written and the autopkgtest considers that as wrong and nack it
[16:22] <xnox> mvo, well, and old apt is used to start the chroot, then a newer apt is upgraded to, which is too late by that time.
[16:22] <xnox> pitti, could you mark sbuild as a bad test for now, or like allow apt to go through please?
[16:23] <xnox> mvo<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:24] <pitti> xnox: done
[16:24] <xnox> pitti, thank you.
[16:24] <Laney> What if you make the test depend on apt 1.1?
[16:24] <Laney> ...or skip it...
[16:24] <xnox> and then once apt migrates, the next time it should work fine.
[16:25] <xnox> Laney, well, i'm not sure, so sbuild first downloads source, then upgrades things. maybe if the test does $ apt-get source procenv; sbuild procenv*.dsc it would work better.
[16:25] <xnox> Laney, instead of what i gather from logs it's doing $ sbuild procenv_version
[16:25] <xnox> meh, once in a life time "bootstrap" bug.
[16:26] <pitti> I don't think it's transient
[16:26] <xnox> and the test log still says that all is good, and packages have built.
[16:26] <pitti> sbuild usually copies the host's passwd into the chroot
[16:26] <pitti> and apt loudly complains if it doesn't find that _apt sys user (which isn't static)
[16:27] <pitti> so this conceptually collides
[16:27] <xnox> pitti, iff the chroot is created with apt 1.1.3 there should be a warning, i would have through.....
[16:27] <xnox> ... hm =/
[16:27] <pitti> xnox: ah, that way around; yes
[16:35] <pitti> apw: I filed bug 1523586 with the kernel panic now
[16:36] <apw> oh nice thanks
[16:39] <apw> pitti, and shove at rtg as that is actually his very latest shiney whihc is imploding
[16:40] <apw> and shoved (past tense)
[16:49] <xnox> hallyn, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu/+bug/1523593
[16:51] <dholbach> slangasek, do you know what the problem might be with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype/+bug/1523060?
[16:52] <hallyn> xnox: yeah i saw the build failiure, it's on my list, thx
[16:52] <hallyn> ooh a patch, thanks :)
[16:52] <xnox> hallyn, that one makes it built =) i'm not yet able to run that, but at least it will compile for now.
[16:53] <hallyn> xnox: will push that ina few mins (after bfast0
[16:54] <xnox> hallyn, cool thanks. upload to ubuntu would be appreciated too.
[16:57] <xnox> pitti, there is a bogus hint from riddell, that overrides your hint in britney.
[16:57] <xnox> from http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/log/xenial/2015-12-07/16:35:26.log
[16:57] <xnox> W: [Mon Dec  7 16:35:52 2015] - Overriding force-badtest[kwin] = ('4:5.4.3-0ubuntu2', 'pitti', 'None') with ('4:5.4.3-0ubuntu3', 'pitti', 'None')
[16:57] <xnox> W: [Mon Dec  7 16:35:52 2015] - Overriding force-badtest[kwin] = ('4:5.4.3-0ubuntu3', 'pitti', 'None') with ('4:5.4.2-0ubuntu1', 'jriddell', 'None')
[16:57] <xnox> could you drop jriddell's hint, and just keep latest hint of yours?
[16:57] <pitti> ooh
[16:58] <pitti> well, not bogus, just old :)
[16:58]  * xnox ponders if comments like that qualify me for ~ubuntu-release team ;-)
[16:58] <xnox> pitti, on this 7th day of christmas it's now bogus =)))) i'm not agist ;-)
[16:58] <pitti> xnox: hinted harder
[16:58] <pitti> xnox: thanks for spotting!
[16:59] <brendand> is this 404 anything to worry about? ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/xenial-security/restricted/binary-armhf/Packages
[16:59]  * xnox sings we can go hard, or we can go home
[17:00] <cjwatson> xnox: errr very much not the 7th day of Christmas.  try that in 24 days :)
[17:00] <xnox> cjwatson, #fail
[17:00] <xnox> brendand, no, that's normal. there are compressed files only. and it's empty anyway, as nothing is published there yet.
[17:02]  * xnox ponders if it's 7th advent, already?! i had tree up since november, so i don't care much. And had turkey dinner yesterday.
[17:02] <cjwatson> xnox: (well, or 12-ish days later in the eastern churches ...)
[17:02] <cjwatson> xnox: ninth day of Advent today
[17:02] <cjwatson> we did our tree yesterday.  and chanukah candles, so if any neighbours were paying attention I bet they were confused.
[17:03] <xnox> >_< =)
[17:03] <xnox> cjwatson, keep them guessing =)
[17:04] <xnox> Mirv, kwin hint will be fixed, in the next britney run
[17:05] <xnox> cjwatson, i tend to keep tree until the 13th of January and celebrate Soviet Old New Year - that confuses people, cause generally there isn't chritstmas tree collection service from council by that time (if we have real tree that year)
[17:06] <cjwatson> pitti: cinnamon-control-center looks like another testbed failure
[17:06] <cjwatson> pitti: (armhf)
[17:09] <pitti> cjwatson: right, thanks, retrying again
[17:11] <pitti> and apparently there's a bug with sometimes not seeing new test results in swift
[17:12] <doko> hmm, binutils-static wants to demote?  does this mean we won't need it anymore?
[17:12] <doko> cjwatson, and binutils-udeb?
[17:18] <cjwatson> doko: binutils-static-udeb (assuming that's what you mean) has been explicitly seeded in the installed seed since breezy; I think it's been obsolete for quite a while but am not certain
[18:00] <cjwatson> xnox: looks like https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libindicator/12.10.2+14.10.20140922-0ubuntu1/+build/8377385 is the current blocker for ubuntu-desktop/s390x
[18:01] <xnox> cjwatson, ack, thanks. will look into it.
[18:02] <cjwatson> definitely gradually improving though ...
[18:52] <cyphermox> bdmurray: will you be around for the DMB meeting shortly?
[18:54] <bdmurray> cyphermox: yep
[19:04] <mdeslaur> slangasek: no new edk2 yet?
[19:05] <slangasek> mdeslaur: hmm, new relative to what?  the one that had been in the Debian new queue is in xenial today
[19:06] <slangasek> Laney: bug #1465386> I would not consider this a priority to fix in SRU and it's of course not something we would prioritize for xenial because we don't support upstart as system init in xenial
[19:06] <mdeslaur> slangasek: ah crud, sorry about that, I was expecting a newer date in the version number for some reason
[19:07] <mdeslaur> slangasek: thanks
[19:38] <pitti> Mirv: can you have a quick look at http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/o/okteta/xenial/amd64/ ?
[19:38] <pitti> Mirv: error: ‘QIODevice’ has not been declared
[19:38] <pitti> Mirv: is that an API change which okteta needs to get adjusted to?
[21:26] <chiluk> hey pitti... you had mentioned that you might do a merge of findutils from debian-unstable for xenial for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/findutils/+bug/1347788
[21:26] <chiluk> pitti: can I assign you the case?


[21:23] <rogpeppe> thumper: hiya
[21:23] <thumper> morning rogpeppe
[21:23] <thumper> working sunday night?
[21:24] <rogpeppe> carmen's away...
[21:24] <rogpeppe> managed to do a bit of slightly off-piste hacking on saturday
[21:24] <thumper> heh
[21:25] <rogpeppe> result is this CL; review appreciated: https://codereview.appspot.com/13249054/
[21:25] <rogpeppe> there are some cool things that it makes possible
[21:36] <rogpeppe> for instance it's easy to use it to generate API client-side code automatically.
[21:38] <rogpeppe> or to allow API clients to find out what calls are available
[21:59] <rogpeppe> i also think it makes sense just from the p.o.v. of the structuring of the rpc package too, BTW - it becomes less monolithic, and that part (which is a significant part of the rpc package logic) can be more easily tested independently.
[21:59] <rogpeppe> thumper: but YMMV of course
[22:03] <thumper> I'll take a look, but this is somewhat outside my current experience messing with go/juju
[22:16] <rogpeppe> thumper: that's ok, i actually just want you to marvel at this, which took only an hour to write this afternoon, after i thought of it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6143236/ :-)
[22:17] <rogpeppe> thumper: it generates API client code for our entire API.
[22:18] <rogpeppe> thumper: output looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6143244/
[22:18] <rogpeppe> thumper: it actually compiles, but i haven't tried using it
[22:19] <thumper> heh
[22:19] <thumper> interesting
[22:20] <rogpeppe> thumper: the text/template package is actually surprisingly powerful
[22:21] <thumper> I don't see why the whole docker thread is on three different mailing lists I'm on
[22:21] <thumper> I get every email three times FFS
[22:22] <rogpeppe> thumper: that's because they're so anxious that you read the mailing lists that they subscribed you three times :-)
[22:23] <thumper> no, I'm on all three lists
[22:23] <thumper> and the email is sent to three different lists
[22:23] <thumper> rogpeppe: are you not getting them three times?
[22:23] <thumper> juju-dev, cdo and cloud?
[22:24] <rogpeppe> to:	 Canonical Clouds<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:24] <rogpeppe><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:24] <rogpeppe>  canonical-juju<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:24] <rogpeppe> thumper: i'm not sure
[22:25] <rogpeppe> thumper: my inbox is a mess currentyl
[22:25] <rogpeppe> thumper: well, both my inboxes
[22:25] <thumper> there are two cross list conversations atm
[22:31] <rogpeppe> thumper: i hadn't actually read any of the thread. interesting.
[22:31] <rogpeppe> davecheney: yo!
[22:35] <davecheney> rogpeppe: hey
[23:00] <thumper> wallyworld_: thanks for finishing off that logging branch
[23:00] <wallyworld_> np at all
[23:01] <wallyworld_> was good to get it landed
[23:30]  * thumper got sidetracked starting kvm work fixing lxc tests
[23:31] <wallyworld_> how's the kvm stuff going?
[23:33] <thumper> wallyworld_:  https://codereview.appspot.com/13828043
[23:34] <thumper> wallyworld_: just starting really
[23:34] <wallyworld_> looking
[23:34] <thumper> wallyworld_: I have been focusing primarily on helping you and axw get your things in
[23:34] <thumper> and doing kvm on the side
[23:34] <wallyworld_> thank you :-)
[23:34] <thumper> as it isn't going to make 1.16
[23:34] <thumper> hoping to have it available shortly after
[23:34] <thumper> definitely prior to SFO
[23:34]  * thumper crosses fingers
[23:35] <wallyworld_> mass folks will be happy
[23:35] <wallyworld_> maas
[23:35] <thumper> but I want to make sure that the simplestream tools things and null provider stuff gets in
[23:45] <wallyworld_> thumper: why does the PatchEnvironment  call followup with a call to cleanup but not the SetPatch calls?
[23:45] <thumper> wallyworld_: it is in setup suite
[23:46] <thumper> the PatchEnvironment in the test is a test cleanup
[23:46] <thumper> not a suite cleanup
[23:46] <thumper> I'm yet to decide on wording for the PatchEnvironmentForSuite name
[23:46] <thumper> or PatchValueForSuite
[23:46] <thumper> perhaps those are good enough
[23:49] <wallyworld_> "the PatchEnvironment in the test is a test cleanup"  --- isn't the patch env called from setup suite. i don't quite get what you are saying that it is a test clean up
[23:51] <wallyworld_> with this call "s.PatchValue(&lxcObjectFactory, s.Factory)" is SetupTest, i can't see how the old value is ever restored??? since no cleanup is added
[23:51] <wallyworld_> s/is/in
[23:55] <thumper> ah, the PatchValue is a call on the test
[23:55] <thumper> which automatically adds the cleanup
[23:55] <thumper> see testbase.CleanupSuite
[23:56]  * thumper -> gym


[20:44] <lucasmoura> hey everyone, I am setting up the ec2 manual test for the new SRU, but there is one bug that I am not sure how can I best verify that it was solved
[20:44] <lucasmoura> This is the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1876312
[20:44] <lucasmoura> Does anyone have any idea for a good approach to verify this on an ec2 instance ?
[20:54] <rharper> lucasmoura: blackboxsw should have some steps, I think blackboxsw did the original work on ec2
[20:54] <lucasmoura> rharper, ack. Thanks rharper
[20:54] <rharper> lucasmoura: but effectively, you need to create an ec2 instance and attach multiple nics and multiple ips
[20:55] <rharper> lucasmoura: I  think it's worth looking at the ec2 api on how to do that;  the cloud_test framework for ec2 shows some of the bits you  need (subnets, security groups etc)
[20:56] <lucasmoura> rharper, Great, I will take a look on both. Thanks again rharper
[20:56] <rharper> sure
[21:36] <Odd_Bloke> rharper: meena: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/391/files <-- now with an initial implementation!
[21:36] <Odd_Bloke> rharper: (Also: https://media1.tenor.com/images/c9c3cfc8a9f1ca0e25deed0741a184a1/tenor.gif?itemid=5690077 ;)
[21:38] <rharper> Odd_Bloke: =)
[21:52] <meena> Odd_Bloke: neat!


[22:13] <dr_willis> mcoffee:  and whats stopping you?
[22:13] <persona24> Hello, how do I list the other drives in my terminal? I need to access my other hard drive
[22:13] <Jordan_U> persona24: sudo blkid
[22:13] <mcoffee> dr_willis: this is what I get "ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused"
[22:13] <dr_willis> persona24:  mount would show the other drives and mountpoints if they are mounted.
[22:13] <eyastaifour> no virtualization for me. i need it running on the box directly
[22:13] <dr_willis> mcoffee:  you did install the ssh service?>
[22:14] <dr_willis> eyastaifour:  i was hinting at using vbox to do a 'real' install to the hd. you would then boot...
[22:14] <mcoffee> No. I guess I'll give that a try.
[22:14] <dr_willis> mcoffee:  ssh service is not installed by default. ;)
[22:14] <Jordan_U> persona24: That lists partitions with filesystems, which is generally more usefull than listing drives.
[22:14] <mcoffee> dr_willis: is the package `openssh-server` the one I should use?
[22:15] <mcoffee> dr_willis: I mean install.
[22:15] <dr_willis> !sshd
[22:15] <eyastaifour> i've just installed a new bootloader via wbui.exe
[22:15] <persona24> ok, so I enter mount and it just gives me some info I don't really understand
[22:15] <eyastaifour> but since my CD doesnt work, it's not getting me anywhere. although, I have bash (or some shell) now.
[22:15] <mcoffee> ubottu: thanks
[22:15] <dr_willis> persona24:  a list of the various filesystems and their mountpoints..
[22:15] <eyastaifour> can i use this to access my NTFS partition where my ubuntu ISO lives, mount it, and then run an install ?
[22:15] <dr_willis> persona24:  give us more details and we may be able to help more.
[22:16] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: Yes.
[22:16] <dr_willis> thats even scarier then using vbox ;)
[22:16] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: wow - awesome. how do i proceed doing so ? :)
[22:16] <madjestic> hey guys, I am trying to silence xauth error messages.  I can't figure out the right syntax.  I am trying 'xauth 2>/dev/null' but that does not seem to do the job
[22:16] <persona24> dr_willis: I just want to be able to mount onto my d drive
[22:17] <dr_willis> persona24:  you mean you want to access your windows d: drive?
[22:17] <dbugger> Hey guys. I have my playstation connected to the aux in, but nothing is comming out through the speakers. Is there anything special I need to do for this to work?
[22:17] <persona24> dr_willis: yes
[22:17] <dr_willis> persona24:  normally you just select  the disk in the file manager list and it auto-mounts it.. UNLESS the filesystem is currupted or needs checked it should auto mount.
[22:17] <booh-> How to use procmail and also use maildir ?
[22:17] <dr_willis> persona24:  or you can mount it by hand.
[22:18] <dr_willis> !ntfs-3g | persona24
[22:18] <ubuntu-fan001> is ipsec module working in kernel 3.X?
[22:18] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: First, since you've used Wubi, you should boot into the Wubi Ubuntu installation from which you can configure grub to boot from the Ubuntu iso.
[22:18] <persona24> I've never had luck mounting drives. I'm trying to learn to strickly use the terminal sometimes but mounting has always been my downfall
[22:19] <dr_willis> persona24:  mounting is rather.. well.. staight forward...
[22:19] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: im still trying to figure out the syntax of mount ... cant seem to remember a lot
[22:19] <dr_willis> mount /dev/partitionname /media/makeamountpointfirst
[22:19] <dr_willis> !mount
[22:19] <bobweaver> persona24,  do you know how to use "mount " and "fdisk ">
[22:19] <persona24> bobweaver: not really
[22:20] <bobweaver> persona24,  you can use fdisk to scan drive's and partitions like "sudo fdisk -l "
[22:20] <mcoffee> dr_willis: thanks, it worked!
[22:22] <bobweaver> persona24,  this will give you a list of drives and partitions that are attached and then you can mount these drive's to the place that you would like to mount it to example "sudo mount /dev/sda$ /mnt "   where $ is the number of the drive like "sudo mount /dev/sda1 mnt "    mount <DRIVE Number>  < Where you want to Mount >
[22:23] <linkandzelda> should i install GNOME or stick with Unity? I cant decide and im new to everything lol
[22:23] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: Are you currently booted into Ubuntu?
[22:23] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: no
[22:23] <eyastaifour> my shell says ; initramfs
[22:23] <eyastaifour> i cant find whereis, or fdisk
[22:23] <xangua> linkandzelda: Ubuntu uses gnome
[22:24] <eyastaifour> and when i try to mount /dev/sda1 - i get "invalig argument"
[22:24] <linkandzelda> I thought its using Unity
[22:24] <vbe> xangua: not anymore, only as option
[22:24] <blackshirt> eyastaifour, what are you trying to mount ?
[22:25] <eyastaifour> my partition C: (win7), formatted as NTFS
[22:25] <eyastaifour> i booted from what wbui.exe installed.
[22:25] <xangua> linkandzelda: vbe ubnity is just a shell for gnome
[22:25] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: OK, that means that booting failed for some reason. Did you do a normal Wubi installation following the instructions at http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/install-ubuntu-with-windows ? (note that nowhere in those instructions does it say to make a virtual CD in Windows, and you should *not* have done so).
[22:25] <eyastaifour> it installed a new entry in my BCD, which takes me to GRUB, which won't load completely (because my CD doesnt work)
[22:25] <eyastaifour> my CD does not function people :)
[22:26] <vbe> xangua: huh?
[22:26] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: Re-read my comment, I never said that you should be using a CD.
[22:27] <blackshirt> i thin wubi was not a great solutions if you want explore your linux, they resides on your windows, depends on windows ...
[22:27] <blackshirt> think
[22:27] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: sorry, I used wbui.exe that comes at the root of the ISO that I've downloaded and mounted, not the one you shared
[22:27] <vbe> xangua: to my understanding both are windowmanagers/desktop environments/whatever you call it. not one based on the other
[22:27] <Jordan_U> blackshirt: In this case we're just using Wubi as a stepping stone to a real install.
[22:28] <blackshirt> jordan_u, i'm agree with you
[22:28] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: Boot into Windows, remove Wubi, and follow the directions at the link I gave you. Do *not* at any point make a virtual CD.
[22:28] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: but my windows machine doesn't have network drivers... it won't be able to download files
[22:29] <eyastaifour> can i add those files manually, from the ISO that I have downloaded
[22:29] <mcoffee> How would I ssh to a computer that is located remotely? Say the remote IP was <IP_ADDRESS>, and the internal IP of the computer was <IP_ADDRESS>, how would I ssh to it?
[22:29] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: Download the wubi.exe from another machine and put it on a USB drive.
[22:29] <eyastaifour> (to clarify: i downloaded it from my mac, and i transfered it to the windows machine, using a USB disk)
[22:30] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: Make sure that you have the wubi.exe and the Ubuntu iso in the same directory when you open wubi.exe, otherwise wubi will try to download the iso itself.
[22:30] <studio_> How can I run 3 monitors on 2 video cards?
[22:31] <FernandoBasso> Where does Dash read information from? When I try to open some directories it finds, it says "could not find /path/to/dir".
[22:33] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: do i have to do any cleanup before starting wubi.exe, considering i didnt do it properly the first time
[22:34] <uni4dfx> How can I change the default Java look and feel?
[22:35] <eyastaifour> oh, this is awesome... i re-ran wubi.exe, and it asked me to uninstall :)
[22:35] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: Like I said you should remove your current broken Wubi installation first.
[22:35] <eyastaifour> yes, i wasn't aware it was as simple as a double-click again :)
[22:37] <BluPhenix316> well finally managed to get ubuntu 12.10 installed, but my resolution is stuck at 1024x768 with the nvidia drivers
[22:37] <eyastaifour> as soon as I run wubi.exe, it claims there's not enough free space. i do have 40GB of unallocated space which I intend to use for ubuntu
[22:37] <eyastaifour> should I format this as NTFS, and start wubi.exe again ?
[22:37] <BluPhenix316> anyone have any luck with nvidia cards and 12.10?
[22:38] <eyastaifour> or preferably FAT ?
[22:38] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: No.
[22:38] <BluPhenix316> oh and i have a nvidia 660 gtx, its not optimus
[22:39] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: should I free up space from partition C: then? or click on "continue anyway" (in wubi.exe) ?
[22:40] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: You need enough free space in C: to hold wubi's root.disk, but since this will be temporary you can tell wubi to create as small of a root.disk as it will allow.
[22:41] <Kircle> Since updating to 12.10 'Disk Usage Analyser' has associated itself with USB devices. When I insert one and try to open it from the unity launcher it opens up. How can I associate USB's with nautilis?
[22:41] <Tdaug> How can I set the command for "Workspace Switcher" to one keyboard key, so I can see all 9 of my desktops in one easy to remember keystroke?  Ubuntu 12.04 LTS.
[22:42] <linkandzelda> this is taking a lot of getting used to compared to OS X
[22:42] <mcoffee> Hmm... My question went unnanswered for a while. Here's what I asked: How would I ssh to a computer that is located remotely? Say the remote IP was <IP_ADDRESS>, and the internal IP of the computer was <IP_ADDRESS>, how would I ssh to it?
[22:42] <Jordan_U> mcoffee: ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:43] <blackshirt> mcoffee, just remote it, if
[22:43] <bekks> mcoffee: Then you have to create a router portforwarding entry on the router the remote computer is connected to.
[22:43] <BluPhenix316> hey anyone know how to get a higher resolution than 1024x768 with nvida drivers in ubuntu 12.10?
[22:44] <almondiga> does anyone know how to route between 2 networks using ubuntu?
[22:44] <guntbert> mcoffee: your question is not clear - did you mean that your remote host is behind a router (with the external address <IP_ADDRESS>) ?
[22:44] <mcoffee> Yes.
[22:44] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U:  awesome. so far, i m disabling hibernation, and turning the page file size down. i ll ping again once i have the free disk space
[22:44] <mcoffee> guntbert: yes
[22:45] <mcoffee> Or at least I think.
[22:45] <guntbert> mcoffee: in that case follow what bekks said - you need to tell the router to forward traffic to the server
[22:45] <mcoffee> K.
[22:45] <almondiga> alguien me puede ayudar a enrutar entre 2 redes desde ubuntu?
[22:45] <mcoffee> guntbert: k
[22:45] <mcoffee> bekks: I port-forwarded.
[22:46] <linkandzelda> how do i enable entering password on login?
[22:46] <mcoffee> I'm still a noob at this, but I did a port forward.
[22:47] <mcoffee> As I would guess simply doing `ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>doesn't cut it.
[22:47] <mcoffee> I'm guessing that I would also have to add extra arguments to the command.
[22:47] <mcoffee> Not just the username@address argument.
[22:47] <guntbert> mcoffee: that should suffice if the port forwarding was done correctly
[22:48] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[22:48] <Lunar_Lander> what does the service "sh" do?
[22:48] <guntbert> !enter | mcoffee
[22:48] <frxstrem> I have a small problem: I often get a "Bus error" when I do things such as edit text files or try to open certain programs (such as Pidgin) - what would be the most likely cause to this?
[22:49] <bekks> Lunar_Lander: "sh" is a shell, not a service.
[22:49] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: it wubi.exe now runs without any warning. but when it asks me about the installation drive, i have 1 option only (obviously), which is C:
[22:49] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:49] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: Yes, and that's what you want to use.
[22:50] <eyastaifour> with 7 GB of free space.. its not where I want ubuntu to be ultimately installed (i want to use the 40 GB unallocated space)
[22:50] <eyastaifour> so - this is interim ?
[22:50] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: Yes. We will use the Wubi installation to configure grub to boot from the iso, and then do a real install from there.
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> because xterm says it had been connected to one of the canonical servers
[22:51] <dr_willis> Lunar_Lander:  that dosent make a lot of sence. ;)
[22:51] <dr_willis> sense either. ;) or cents..
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> hm yea
[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> well I am running this balloon tracking software dl-fldigi at the moment from the terminal which uploads data to the server of spacenear.us
[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> and that "sh" line is there as a CLOSE_WAIT
[22:53] <dr_willis> sh is the default system shell. so some script may have spawned a sh process to handle some task.
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> I'll ask the developers if they know it
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> thanks!
[22:53] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: i proceeded with wubi.exe. it asked to be restarted. it gave few errors then. and i now have an u
[22:53] <eyastaifour> i cant believe
[22:53] <eyastaifour> i have an ubuntu desktop :)
[22:54] <eyastaifour> this is sorcery :)
[22:54] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: Great. How familiar are you with the terminal?
[22:54] <eyastaifour> a little bit familiar, i can manage around
[22:54] <URConsultant> tell me guys
[22:54] <eyastaifour> something is saying "copying files"... and i really want to make sure i dont install my stuff on the windows partition
[22:55] <URConsultant> synaptic and apt-get in terminal, it's the same, but if I use both i find some errors in my OS by time
[22:55] <dr_willis> eyastaifour:  wubi uses a file obn the winedows drive as a virtual hard disk..
[22:56] <eyastaifour> dr_willis: offtopic question: it is using this virtual hard disk file just for encapsulating its stuff.. its not an automagical type I hypervisor, right ?
[22:56] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: OK. Please find the exact path to the Ubuntu iso (or move it to a simple path, such as the root of your Windows partition) and then tell me the path. You can access your Windows partition via /host/ .
[22:57] <dr_willis> eyastaifour:  wubi boots into  linux same as a hd install would. only uses that disk file instead of a real disk.
[22:57] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: Correct, no virtualization is going on.
[22:57] <eyastaifour> its on c:
[22:57] <eyastaifour> sorry, its on c:\ub
[22:57] <eyastaifour> but i dont have a terminal open.. just a window with the title "install", some pretty graphics, and a progress bar for "copying files"
[22:57] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: We need the exact path including filename so that we can configure grub to use it.
[22:58] <eyastaifour> ok, the ISO's path is: C:\newub\ubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
[23:02] <dr_willis> may be a good idea to move it to C:\ and give it a shorter name. ;) but its been a whild since ive set up grub2 to boot a iso.
[23:04] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: What is the output of "ls -l /host/newub/ubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso"?
[23:05] <The_Matrix> Can someone help me I have xubuntu and I tried to play a dvd and when I do this message comes up "Could not read DVD. This may be because the DVD is encrypted and a DVD decryption library is not installed."
[23:05] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: i dont have terminal access yet.. the machine ended the wubi part, restarted, copied stuff
[23:05] <eyastaifour> and i just loaded now. I have grabm with two options (#2 is recovery mode). i ll go for #1
[23:05] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: OK. I'll be away for a few minutes, but I will be back.
[23:06] <dr_willis> !dvd
[23:06] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: cool.. i just made it to the logon page, and it seems that im in  (slow machine)
[23:06] <dr_willis> The_Matrix:  theres some package/script you install then run - to get the dvd stuff enabled. (been ages since ive used it)
[23:07] <The_Matrix> dr_willis how do I install them?
[23:08] <rephy222> having issues with my network manager
[23:08] <rephy222> for some reason it connects
[23:08] <rephy222> but fails to associate the key that i entered
[23:09] <dr_willis> The_Matrix:  the url the bot gave.... has details
[23:09] <rephy222> and for some reason i have to iwconfig wlan0 key xxxxxxx for the internet to work correctly
[23:09] <eyastaifour> mouse is not acting nice at all. i can move it, but the display wont refresh . i also cant click
[23:10] <eyastaifour> this is trackpad. i also tried a USB mouse
[23:10] <eyastaifour> is there a shortcut i can press to open a terminal ?
[23:10] <rephy222> anyone have any ideas.... could i just reinstall the network manager
[23:10] <rephy222> ctrl alt t
[23:10] <rephy222> for terminal
[23:11] <eyastaifour> thanks. not working with me.. display is very strange, everything is overlayed and nothing refreshes
[23:11] <eyastaifour> i ll boot in recovery mode
[23:13] <rephy222> u cant opena terminal with control alt t?
[23:14] <eyastaifour> rephy222: i dont know.. its a display issue - something flashed when i did ctrl alt T, but no terminal appeared
[23:15] <rephy222> eyastaifour:  is it a fresh install of ubuntu or something
[23:15] <eyastaifour> fresh install, on the oldest hardware you could imagine. a laptop  i bought in 05 i guess
[23:15] <eyastaifour> but things are cool now in failsafeX mode :)
[23:15] <rephy222> eyastaifour:  what version
[23:16] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: You might want to go with Xubuntu or Lubuntu then.
[23:17] <rephy222> anyone know what the package that deals with network connections is
[23:17] <rephy222> the wireless network manager or something
[23:17] <morsnowski> rephy222, whats the error
[23:18] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: i can access /host/newub - and I see the ISO there
[23:18] <adaminsull> Hi
[23:18] <eyastaifour> rephy222: 10.04-1
[23:18] <adaminsull> Why do i get
[23:18] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: cant wait to download yet another ISO file.. i ll give this a shot
[23:18] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: OK, just be aware that you'll probably have the same graphics problems after installing Ubuntu normally as well.
[23:18] <adaminsull> Taskel: aptitude failed 100
[23:19] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: but i ll be able to use FailsafeX as well, correct ?
[23:19] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: Yes.
[23:19] <eyastaifour> awesome. so i have my terminal, and i can browse to the ISO
[23:20] <adaminsull> ??
[23:20] <rephy222> ??
[23:20] <rephy222> anyone
[23:20] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: Oh, one thing I should have asked much earlier. How much RAM do you have?
[23:20] <eyastaifour> I have 1.5 I think
[23:20] <rephy222> my net keeps connecting and dissconnecting for some reason
[23:21] <michealPW> Is there an Ubuntu package equiv. to Fedora's kernel-modules-extra package? Something that provides xpad.ko is what I'm after.
[23:21] <dr_willis> !find xpad.ko
[23:21] <dr_willis> seems to be in the generic kernel   package.
[23:21] <michealPW> Hrmm!
[23:22] <L3mce> rephy222: network-manager-gnome I would expect... but that sounds more like a driver/device issue.
[23:22] <dr_willis> /lib/modules/3.5.0-10-generic/kernel/drivers/input/joystick/xpad.ko
[23:22] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: do i go about booting from the ISO now?
[23:22] <dr_willis> seems its in all my kernels here.
[23:22] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: I think that will be enough, but I'm not sure. To install Ubuntu from the same drive that you'er booted from the way we are requires first copying the entire iso into RAM, meaning that you'll effectively have 700 MiB less RAM available than you normally would.
[23:22] <michealPW> So can I just do "insmod xpad.ko", dr_willis?
[23:22] <dr_willis> michealPW:  try it and see. ;) id think so
[23:22] <michealPW> Hrmm! Thx mate, will try now :)
[23:22] <dr_willis> michealPW:  try a locate xpad.ko
[23:22] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: I see.. let's give it a shot! so, is it menuentries, or unetbootin now ?
[23:24] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: Yes. Just for reference, normal iso loop booting can be done easily by following http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/Loopback.cfg#How_do_you_use_a_loopback.cfg_to_boot_an_iso.3F but we're going to need to change the kernel parameters so we'll need to do something slightly more.
[23:24] <michealPW> Fiddle sticks!
[23:24] <Mike-Linux-NL> i do have a small problem...
[23:24] <michealPW> I got an error "Error inserting "/path/to/xpad.ko": -1 Unknown symbol in module
[23:24] <michealPW> :(
[23:25] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: First mount the iso file so that we can copy its loopback.cfg: "sudo mount /host/newub/ubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso -o loop /mnt/".
[23:25] <goblinou> hello. which is the channel for ubuntu help, please?
[23:25] <Mike-Linux-NL> i installed Ubuntu 12.10, removed Empathy, and installed pidgin instead. Now i dont have that envelope icon in the unity panel... how to geti t back
[23:25] <michealPW> Maybe it's a dependency
[23:25] <Jordan_U> goblinou: This is it :)
[23:25] <michealPW> Like, this module needs another module inserted first. Interesting!
[23:25] <michealPW> Well, thx for the tips, got me close now! :)
[23:25] <goblinou> great. who will have the great pleasure of helping me?
[23:25] <trism> Mike-Linux-NL: it will hide itself when there are not any apps using it, and since pidgin isn't ported to the new API yet, it won't be there
[23:26] <dr_willis> michealPW:  what was the exact command line you used?
[23:26] <Jordan_U> goblinou: Just ask your question, if anyone knows the answer they'll answer (and if nobody does, then nobody will answer).
[23:26] <dr_willis>  sudo modprobe xpad
[23:26] <dr_willis> worked here
[23:26] <Mike-Linux-NL> i installed Ubuntu 12.10, removed Empathy, and installed pidgin instead. Now i dont have that envelope icon in the unity panel... how do i get it back? wich package do i need to install?
[23:26] <goblinou> ok here it goes
[23:27] <goblinou> how do i adjust visual effects in ubuntu 12.1?
[23:27] <eyastaifour> is there a edfault root password for 12.04 ?
[23:27] <dr_willis> goblinou:  which ones? the ccsm tool is the main compiz config tool.. and it can be.. well.. scary. ;)
[23:27] <michealPW> Oh I used sudo insmod /lib/modules/etc/kernel/drivers/input/joystick/xpad.ko
[23:27] <Jordan_U> !ccsm | goblinou
[23:27] <michealPW> haha I should use modprobe instead ?
[23:27] <michealPW> *facepalm* I'm such a newbie hehe
[23:27] <The_Matrix> Lol
[23:27] <dr_willis> michealPW:  over thought it a little bit... ;P
[23:27] <Jordan_U> !root | eyastaifour
[23:28] <The_Matrix> Can someone help me I have xubuntu and I tried to play a dvd and when I do this message comes up "Could not read DVD. This may be because the DVD is encrypted and a DVD decryption library is not installed."
[23:28] <rodrigograca31> Hi :)
[23:28] <Gaming4JC> hi :)
[23:28] <Gaming4JC> Does anyone know of a GUI to check voltage being used on Linux?
[23:28] <rodrigograca31> i need some help :)
[23:28] <dr_willis> The_Matrix:  and you looked at that dvd playback wiki url? (not been there in ages, it maybe out of date)
[23:28] <The_Matrix> yea
[23:28] <The_Matrix> its confusing lol
[23:28] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U:  if i run commands individually to browse to my ISO, it works fine. when i try with Sudo, it doesnt(i cant even use tab completion)
[23:29] <rodrigograca31> i am trying to compile c++  .....
[23:29] <Gaming4JC> !ask | rodrigograca31
[23:29] <michealPW> Weird
[23:29] <Mike-Linux-NL> i installed Ubuntu 12.10, removed Empathy, and installed pidgin instead. Now i dont have that envelope icon in the unity panel... how do i get it back? wich package do i need to install?
[23:29] <Mike-Linux-NL> indicator-messages IS installed however
[23:29] <michealPW> Even when I give modprobe the exact path to the xpad.ko file it still says FATAL: Module no found.
[23:29] <michealPW> :(
[23:30] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: It's expected that tab completion won't work, and that has to do with mount and bash_completion rather than sudo. If you entered in the exact command I gave you and recieved an error message then you probably gave me the wrong path. It's important that you get paths right, one character off is still wrong.
[23:30] <dr_willis> The_Matrix:  it is? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs seems rather clear
[23:30] <subman> Anyone have a good how-to for installing a software raid on an existing ubuntu 12.04 server?
[23:30] <trism> Mike-Linux-NL: it will hide itself when there are not any apps using it, and since pidgin isn't ported to the new API yet, it won't be there (repost)
[23:30] <eyastaifour> i gave the right path. i understand.
[23:30] <dr_willis> 2 lines to cut/paste into the terminal...
[23:30] <The_Matrix> ill try to read through it again dr_willis lol
[23:30] <eyastaifour> im now in as root, and i mounted the iso to /mnt
[23:30] <michealPW> Got it haha I suck
[23:31] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: What do you mean by "in as root"?
[23:31] <eyastaifour> root@ubuntu:
[23:31] <dr_willis> The_Matrix:  they stand out in the 'grey this is a command' type formating.
[23:31] <The_Matrix> oh ok :)
[23:31] <wilee-nilee> The_Matrix, Generally adding the restricted-extras and libdvdread4 should do it. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs#Installing_libdvdcss
[23:31] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: You do not want or need to be logged in as root. "exit" to get out of the root shell and use sudo for individual commands that need root privileges.
[23:32] <The_Matrix> Thanks alot wilee-nilee :D
[23:32] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: that's for best practices indeed.. but for the sake of practicality, would it work ? im exiting as we speak
[23:32] <goblinou> ubottu: gee, i installed that software but i don't see any additional appearance settings
[23:32] <ofcan> what might be the reason if I can't 'cd' into a directory? I am in sudo group btw...
[23:32] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: It would work, but it doesn't help you in any way and as you said is bad practice.
[23:33] <michealPW> Sweet!
[23:33] <goblinou> oh, anyone else was helping me?
[23:33] <dr_willis> ofcan:  a 'directory' has to be executable for one to 'cd' into it.. i belive.
[23:33] <goblinou> how do i adjust visual effects in ubuntu 12.1?
[23:33] <dr_willis> goblinou:  after installing the ccsm package you run the ccsm tool... and be carefull with it.
[23:33] <goblinou> please.
[23:33] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: the ISO is now mounted
[23:34] <goblinou> ccsm package, right, thanks
[23:34] <michealPW> "[21818.503721] input: Microsoft X-Box pad v2 (US) as /devices/..." yay! :)
[23:34] <michealPW> thx, dr_willis :)
[23:34] <dr_willis> the packagte name was given earlier.. its not 'ccsm;
[23:34] <goblinou> hahaha what do you mean be careful?
[23:34] <dr_willis> the binary IS called ccsm
[23:34] <dr_willis> !find ccsm
[23:34] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: OK. "cp /mnt/boot/grub/loopback.cfg ~/Desktop/" That should copy the iso's loopback.cfg to your Desktop.
[23:35] <ofcan> dr_willis: but I can navigate manually into it, just can't via .sh file... than I have somehow wrote the .sh wrong, right?
[23:35] <dupondje> I added set tabstop=4 to my .vimrc, but still tab doesn't give me 4 space chars :(
[23:35] <dr_willis> ofcan:  perhaps.. or spaces in the dir name..
[23:35] <dupondje> any idea's what i'm missing?
[23:35] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: yes, copied
[23:36] <trism> dupondje: :set expandtab
[23:36] <dr_willis> goblinou:  there are some other 'tweaking' tools out to do some unity and compiz setting tweaks that  are safer.
[23:36] <ofcan> dr_willis: this is my code & error; any syntax code or like that you see? > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13204158/unicorn-init-sh-cannot-find-app-root-on-capistrano-cold-deploy/13204193#13204193
[23:36] <ewook> Yo. How do one tweak the default icons in the unity bar for a 'new' user?
[23:36] <goblinou> right, i see. where is the setting for the screen saver and turning monitor off? and avoiding having to enter the password when i shake it off.
[23:36] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: OK, now we need to edit the file a little. To do that we need to be sure about the exact path to the iso, so please run "ls -l /host/newub/ubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso" and post the output.
[23:36] <dupondje> trism: set tabstop=4 set shiftwidth=4 set expandtab set noeol set binary
[23:37] <dupondje> have this now, but still :(
[23:37] <trism> dupondje: so put it in ~/.vimrc
[23:37] <wilee-nilee> goblinou, If you mess with the compizconfig manager install the fusion icon and have a launcher for it on the desktop, ask if needed to do this. This will restart compiz when you adjust it, you will want it.
[23:37] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: im on another machine :) i confirm it is there. I have used tab completion.
[23:38] <goblinou> ok, great. another question, if i may...
[23:38] <goblinou> right, i see. where is the setting for the screen saver and turning monitor off? and avoiding having to enter the password when i shake it off.
[23:38] <dupondje> trism: yep its there :)
[23:38] <DarkAceZ> just out of curiosity, is there a command to restart processes?
[23:38] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: -rwxrwxrwx 2 root root 729067520 Nov 2 18:29 /host/newub/ubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
[23:38] <goblinou> dr_willis or wilee-nilee?
[23:39] <dr_willis> ofcan:  only thing i can guess at is the quoteing of the command is keeping $home from getting expanded.. perhaps...
[23:39] <ewook> DarkAceZ: yes. service [theservice] restart
[23:39] <DarkAceZ> service?
[23:39] <dr_willis> ofcan:  seen that happen in other cases. :)
[23:39] <ewook> DarkAceZ: you need to append sudo first of course.
[23:39] <[snake]> ewook processes not services
[23:40] <DarkAceZ> ^
[23:40] <DarkAceZ> what I was thinking loo
[23:40] <DarkAceZ> l
[23:40] <ewook> [snake]: doh.
[23:40] <ewook> DarkAceZ: sorry :p
[23:40] <DarkAceZ> lol
[23:40] <ewook> DarkAceZ: that depends on the process what HUP-call it handles.
[23:40] <dr_willis> goblinou:  system settings has a brightness and lock   app....
[23:40] <ofcan> dr_willis: so just remove "" and that's it? :)
[23:40] <DarkAceZ> nautilus
[23:40] <ofcan> dr_willis: and say > run "$CMD" ?
[23:41] <dr_willis> ofcan:  test it with using your /home/yourusername/ perhaps ?
[23:41] <dupondje> trism: its something strange really :(
[23:41] <dr_willis> ofcan:  i alwyas get nesting messed up. :) or else the thing may be calling sh when you mean to call bash.. so the variable is not set.. (seen that happen also)
[23:41] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: OK, add this to the top of the file: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1327857/
[23:42] <dr_willis> ofcan:  have it echo the exact command and parts of the command perhaps? as a debugging trick.
[23:42] <goblinou> oh, dr_willis, silly i didn see that, i've been in the Windows cave for to long. anyway, thanks, and quoting a phrase from Frank Zappa's Joe's Garage: Gee, now I can go home! thanks, bye, best wishes..
[23:42] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: Actually, that might conflict with wubi, lets name the loop device something else.
[23:43] <eyastaifour> so, change the last line to root=(looploop)
[23:43] <eyastaifour> ?
[23:43] <trism> dupondje: might depend on the file you are editing, I have that all set up but I still get tabs when editing say, Makefiles. otherwise I have no idea
[23:43] <Gaming4JC> To answer my own question... http://gabenell.blogspot.com/2010/06/setting-up-collectd-collection3-on.html  <-- monitors voltages with pretty Graphs.
[23:43] <Gaming4JC> Thanks ^_^
[23:43] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: Add this instead: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1327860/
[23:43] <eyastaifour> to which loopback.cfg ? the one i copied to the desktop ?
[23:44] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: Yes.
[23:44] <linkandzelda> anyone know why my apple magic mouse is no longer connecting to my ubuntu?
[23:44] <linkandzelda> its very annoying, how crap apple products are
[23:44] <dr_willis> linkandzelda:  perhaps they want to sell you a $30 adaptor to use it....
[23:44] <[snake]> Lol
[23:44] <linkandzelda> that would be great, but this mouse has no adapter possible lol
[23:44] <linkandzelda> it was working
[23:44] <linkandzelda> then i rebooted
[23:45] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: you want me to addd these before any "menuentry" ? at the top of the file directly ?
[23:45] <linkandzelda> not it refuses to connect
[23:45] <ofcan> dr_willis: ok, will try to figure out... but definetly some syntax thing, you think, right? :)
[23:45] <FloodBot1> linkandzelda: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:45] <[snake]> Maybe the battery died :O
[23:45] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: Correct.
[23:45] <dr_willis> ofcan:  always seems to be somting trivial when its hard to find.. ;)
[23:45] <linkandzelda> it flashes, just refuses to be connectable
[23:46] <rephy222> L3mce: dont think its a driver issue cause its been working fine until i tried installing a dnsproxy
[23:46] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: and in the Iso_path, there's no mentioning of /host/newub, just /newub directly
[23:47] <[snake]> linkandzelda perhaps you changed some bios options. If not then apple did it wrong maybe
[23:47] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: Correct. /host/ is the mountpoint, the path on the actual filesystem starts with /newub/.
[23:48] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: ok, cool. i have entered the text
[23:48] <minwinpc> Hello
[23:48] <rodrigograca31> so, how i was saying i am trying to compile c++
[23:48] <rodrigograca31> here is my problem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1327874/
[23:49] <Troy^> rodrigograca31: you best bet would be a c++ channel
[23:49] <[snake]> Ditto
[23:49] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: Now we need to add the "toram" kernel parameter to the menu entries. We're going to be using the "Try Ubuntu without installing" entry, but lets modify both it and the "Install Ubuntu" entries (but not the "Check disc for defects" or "Test memory" options).
[23:50] <frxstrem> rodrigograca31: Don't use gcc to compile, because that won't work for C++ programs (it's C only). Use g++ instead, which is the C++ version of GCC.
[23:50] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: To add the "toram" kernel parameter, simply add the word "toram" between "splash" and "--" near the end of the line starting with "linux".
[23:51] <[snake]> Oh lol i didnt even notice becsuse I write C so it looked normal
[23:51] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: for both menu entries (try and install)
[23:51] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: Yes.
[23:51] <eyastaifour> should I leave a space bewteeen "toram" and the "--"
[23:51] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: Yes.
[23:52] <eyastaifour> ok, done
[23:52] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: When you're done with that, please pastebin the new contents of the file and I'll confirm that it all looks correct.
[23:52] <rodrigograca31> Troy^: ok :)
[23:53] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1327885/
[23:55] <rodrigograca31> frxstrem: humm i did not knowed that
[23:57] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: You followed my directions correctly, but to I realized that "search --set --file $iso_path" should actually be "search --set=root --file $iso_path" so please change that and we're done modifying the file.
[23:57] <melkor> Cheese will not record video. Any suggestions?
[23:58] <rodrigograca31> frxstrem: Thanks!
[23:59] <frxstrem> rodrigograca31: no problem :)
[23:59] <rodrigograca31> frxstrem: g++ worked :)
[23:59] <eyastaifour> Jordan_U: alright :) all set http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1327892/
[23:59] <Jordan_U> eyastaifour: Great, now save the file and run "sudo cp ~/Desktop/loopback.cfg /boot/grub/custom.cfg".