[00:01] <hamitron> hmmm
[00:02] <hamitron> reference intel cooler is working better than I expected
[00:06] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[00:06] <hamitron> laters o/
[00:06] <brobostigon> good night hamitron
[00:08] <aka47> quit
[01:19] <hamitron> 25 fps to 64 fps
[01:19] <hamitron> :)
[02:22] <cprofitt> question concerning the meaning of a phrase in the UK region
[02:22] <cprofitt> anyone able to help me out?
[02:26] <directhex> maybe
[02:26] <Azelphur> cprofitt: only if you ask :P
[02:26] <directhex> bear in mind it's 2:30am in the uk region
[02:26] <cprofitt> Azelphur: if someone said "the person is nagging me to death" would that have a positive or negative connotation in the UK
[02:26] <Azelphur> negative
[02:26] <cprofitt> yes, I know it is late... apologies for that
[02:26] <Azelphur> it means ranting
[02:26] <cprofitt> Azelphur: thanks... someone told me the opposite and I did not think they were being honest
[02:27] <Azelphur> yea they arn't :P
[02:27] <cprofitt> I did not think death would ever be considered a good thing
[02:27] <Azelphur> cprofitt: like for example if you walked through the door and I started on how you hadn't done the dishes and you havn't taken the trash out and you havn't tidied your room .etc etc
[02:27] <Azelphur> I would be nagging :P
[02:28] <cprofitt> so it is meant the same way in the UK as it is in the states
[02:28] <Azelphur> guess so :D
[02:28] <cprofitt> exact quote: Nag to death in the UK means that they are keen and eager,
[02:28] <cprofitt> always seeking further and additional work.
[02:28] <directhex> um... no.
[02:28] <cprofitt> I did not see that to be honest
[02:28] <cprofitt> I appreciate the feedback
[02:36] <directhex> generally, anything being done to death is bad ;)
[02:47] <cprofitt> lol
[02:48] <cprofitt> kind figured that
[03:01] <directhex> other than a few, ahem, vigorous activities
[03:02] <directhex> anyway, 3am means bed
[03:15] <Azelphur> pfft, sleep is for the weak
[07:06] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:10] <MartijnVdS> hi
[08:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] conf.kde.in Slides II - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4398
[08:57] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:58] <MooDoo> AlanBell: checking stats again? ;)
[08:58] <MooDoo> hello czajkowski Martiini
[09:01] <czajkowski> MooDoo: hi
[09:03] <MooDoo> czajkowski: how are you this fine day?
[09:05] <czajkowski> grand up hours though
[09:07] <MooDoo> czajkowski: ouch how come?  work?
[09:10] <czajkowski> housemate getting sick since before 7
[09:10] <MooDoo> czajkowski: `inconsiderate of them ;)
[09:11] <czajkowski> self inflicted drinking
[09:11] <MooDoo> czajkowski: slap them :)
[09:20] <daubers> Morning
[09:42] <daubers> !echo
[09:44] <Laney> ello
[09:50] <daubers> Hmmm.... I'm theoretically stuck in Oxford + surrounding are until 5..... and bored already
[09:50] <MooDoo> daubers: you at work then ;)
[09:51] <dutchie> yay, oxford
[09:51] <dutchie> although i am leaving in ~2 hours
[09:57] <daubers> MooDoo: No, missus has an exam so to be nice as she was fretting I offered to drive her in
[10:00] <MooDoo> daubers: :)
[10:01] <daubers> Suppose I could get another coffee and start moving my email over to gmail....
[10:01] <MooDoo> daubers: gmail ftw!
[10:02] <daubers> means I could also start moving away from evolution...
[10:02] <MartijnVdS> good idea :)
[10:02] <MooDoo> daubers: i made that change months ago :)
[10:02] <MooDoo> i think it's worth it
[10:03] <daubers> MooDoo: The second time an update overwrote my postfix conf without asking made me really really consider it
[10:03] <MooDoo> daubers: ouch
[10:05] <daubers> Also, tempted to beat people overly panicking about Fukushima with a big stick
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> daubers: BUT IT'S NUCULAR
[10:05] <daubers> MartijnVdS: So are some of the rocks in your garden!
[10:05] <MooDoo> i could of punched and american over his comments about the japan incident yesterday
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Good thing I don't have a garden! :)
[10:06] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Have you got a watch with a glow in the dark dial?
[10:06] <popey> Morning everyone
[10:07] <daubers> Morning popey
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> daubers: You don't have to convince me, I'm just being annoying, sorry ;)
[10:16] <MooDoo> morning popey
[10:16] <AlanBell> morning all
[10:17] <bigcalm> Ahoy from Scottyland
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> \o bigcalm
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: was the music good? :)
[10:18] <AlanBell> och aye the noo
[10:18] <bigcalm> A good and interesting mix, thank you :)
[10:18] <AlanBell> no idea what I just said there
[10:18] <bigcalm> AlanBell: something exceedingly racist no doubt :P
[10:18] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotticism
[10:19] <bigcalm> Heavy rain and then heavy snow on our drive up last night
[10:19] <bigcalm> Got to bed at 2am :S
[10:20] <daubers> right, google apps setup
[10:21] <daubers> just have to wait for dns rubbish to hit it's ttl now
[10:22]  * daubers goes to find people to annoy for a couple of hours
[10:22] <bigcalm> I do enjoy the USB teather that means I don't have to fork out for PremierInn's wifi :)
[10:22] <graftrahula> hi! where i can find gnome_volume_control configuration file?
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> graftrahula: what's the problem you're trying to solve? :)
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> graftrahula: (because "manually poking at the g-v-c config file" usually isn't the right solution :))
[10:29] <graftrahula> every time after reboot  only front speakers are working.in controls LFE surround and front are mute
[10:29] <bigcalm> GAH
[10:29] <bigcalm> Why am I looking at the error log I set up yesterday?
[10:30] <bigcalm> This is the down side to having 'net access anywhere
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: Close your terminal windows. Go to the gf.
[10:30] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: she's busy with lady things
[10:31] <bigcalm> I've closed the terminal though
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> daubers: http://i.imgur.com/Unyfz.jpg
[10:41] <graftrahula> dead silence...
[10:42] <popey> graftrahula: sounds like an alsa thing
[10:42] <popey> bigcalm: lady things :)
[10:42] <popey> I am not even going to speculate what that might be! :D
[10:43] <graftrahula> popey: yep!
[10:44] <bigcalm> popey: having a wash :P
[10:44] <AlanBell> coz blokes don't do that!
[10:46] <bigcalm> AlanBell: why would we?
[10:46] <bigcalm> Trying to find a car park in Edinburgh at the moment
[10:46] <bigcalm> Easier said than done
[10:51] <czajkowski> Aloha
[10:52] <dutchie> ooh, he's finally got hayley on irc
[10:52] <dutchie> (i assume)
[10:52] <popey> poor girl
[10:52] <czajkowski> HaylesT: whooo
[10:52] <czajkowski> :D
[10:53]  * czajkowski frowns at popey
[10:53] <livingdaylight> czajkowski, Aloha
[10:56] <czajkowski> livingdaylight: hi there hows you
[10:56] <bigcalm> Maybe I'll get Hayley on here some day :)
[10:56] <bigcalm> Hi peeps :)
[11:00] <graftrahula> шалом
[11:01] <AlanBell> peace to you to
[11:01] <bigcalm> o
[11:02] <bigcalm> Laptop speakers really are quite silly to be listening to music with
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> they're quite silly period :)
[11:03] <bigcalm> Might as well just have an 8ohm system beep speaker
[11:03] <Martiini> HELP!  syslinux is giving me a headache .. Im unable to boot /dev/sdb2 on usb-stick ...someone .. please help me configure syslinux correctly
[11:04] <bigcalm> Time to find a car park!
[11:04] <bigcalm> Laters peeps :)
[11:18] <danfish> hola
[11:22] <livingdaylight> danfish, hola
[11:25] <danfish> :) a lie in for once and good weather. All is good.
[11:27] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:30] <HazRPG> brobostigon: good morning squire ^^
[11:30] <livingdaylight> danfish, you're not in Japan then?
[11:31] <brobostigon> HazRPG: good morning, :)
[11:31] <danfish> lo brobostigon
[11:31] <brobostigon> good morning danfish :)
[11:31] <HazRPG> \o mornin' everyone
[11:31] <danfish> livingdaylight: heh - thankfully no
[11:32] <livingdaylight> wonder who thought it was a good idea to build a nuclear reactor on a falt line? hrmph... :s
[11:32] <brobostigon> no "click" it seems on bbc news, :(
[11:32] <danfish> I'm not one to panic, but someone down the pub reckons that nuclear reactor is going to grow and grow and melt through to the core of the Earth and then explode and we'll all be dead ;)
[11:33] <brobostigon> danfish: lol. :)
[11:33] <danfish> My local is not known for it's nuclear physicists
[11:33] <brobostigon> mine is alittle better, alot of clever and intelligant people go there.
[11:34] <brobostigon> including some of the best chess players in the country.
[12:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Dan Fish] Upstart and Python - http://www.ossmedicine.org/ubuntu/03/upstart-and-python/
[13:01] <AlanBell> Martiini: what is up with the stick with syslinux on it then? you are trying to install ubuntu from USB or run it live?
[13:02] <Martiini> I want to make syslinux boot opensuse on /dev/sdb2 on usb stick
[13:02] <Martiini> with no luck this far
[13:02] <AlanBell> ah, well I think you would be best off asking that question in #opensuse
[13:09] <brobostigon> where are the ssh daemon logs?
[13:13] <MooDoo> brobostigon: /var/log/auth.log?
[13:14] <HazRPG> hmm, I thought SID 6581 was better than 8580... but I've noticed on this demo I currently have loaded that ReSID 8580 plays back a sound that isn't on the ReSID 6581 >_<
[13:14]  * HazRPG very confused now
[13:14] <HazRPG> sounds so much better under the 8580
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: 8 bit geekery :)
[13:15] <brobostigon> MooDoo: thank you.
[13:15] <MooDoo> brobostigon: you're welcome
[13:16] <brobostigon> :)
[13:16] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: heh yeah
[13:18] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: is the c64 actually 8-bit music? Considering it has the least audio channels :S?
[13:19] <HazRPG> I know each sound is produced with 8 bits of data
[13:19] <HazRPG> ...
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I assume it's 8 bit then :)
[13:19] <HazRPG> despite its lack of channels?
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> no, if you only have 8 bits to define output signal, it's 8-bit sound :)
[13:20] <HazRPG> makes sense I guess :)
[13:29] <HazRPG> VICE doesn't seem to like playing some of these demos all the time xD
[13:29] <HazRPG> its like a 50/50 game
[13:29] <HazRPG> "maybe I'll run it this time... maybe I won't!
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> time for percussive maintenance
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> (that worked back in those days)
[13:33] <HazRPG> ?
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: whacking computer to make it work :)
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: "percussive maintenance"
[13:33] <HazRPG> haha
[13:33] <HazRPG> just like the old ... "give 'er a good blow" technique ;)
[13:34] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: can't whack a emulator though dude ;)
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: not really, no..
[13:35] <HazRPG> can do the "kill" command on it... and start again... guess that's sort of like whacking it
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: kill -0 :)
[13:45] <HazRPG> argh! so annoying that the same sound can be emulated a million different ways >_<
[13:45] <HazRPG> anyone know what totem uses to play sid files?
[13:45] <hamitron> heh, so glad I have different password for nickserv to everything else
[13:46] <hamitron> :/
[13:46] <HazRPG> hamitron: what did you do :P?
[13:46] <hamitron> used a different IRC client, and auto joined #ubuntu
[13:46] <hamitron> and typed "id ....."
[13:47] <HazRPG> :P
[13:47] <hamitron> prob get banned for the rude password
[13:47] <hamitron> haha
[13:47] <HazRPG> :P
[13:47] <HazRPG> I thought you had to type out identify out fully :/
[13:48] <hamitron> :\
[13:49] <livingdaylight> HI Mandrake
[13:51] <HazRPG> really bugging me now
[13:51] <HazRPG> just converted a sid file to wav using sidplay -w path/to/sid/file.sid
[13:51] <HazRPG> but it sounds so different to how totem plays it :S
[13:52] <brobostigon> big bang theory, ch4+1 :)
[13:52] <HazRPG> and the totem way sounds WAYYYYY much cooler
[13:52] <HazRPG> brobostigon: winner!
[13:52] <HazRPG> ah fudge
[13:52] <HazRPG> my TV won't pick it up :/
[13:52] <HazRPG> they killed analogue
[13:52] <brobostigon> HazRPG: my mum calls it,that geeky program,
[13:52] <HazRPG> I completely forgot when I was trying to tune it the other day
[13:52] <shauno> HazRPG: if 10 people play the same song, they'll play in 10 different ways.  and none are wrong :p
[13:53] <HazRPG> brobostigon: hehe, my sister calls it the american IT crowd thing
[13:53] <HazRPG> shauno: which is why I'm trying to record it as a .ogg/.mp3 :P
[13:53] <brobostigon> HazRPG: she isnt far off, but also along way away.
[13:53] <HazRPG> is there a way to stream out what totem plays into a file?
[13:54] <HazRPG> brobostigon: she loves it though :P
[13:54] <shauno> HazRPG: doesn't it use pulse?  couldn't you use the same instructions you were giving for recording mumble?
[13:54] <brobostigon> HazRPG: it crowd or big bang?
[13:54] <HazRPG> I think she's just too use to having me around that the geeky references are sort of rubbing off on her
[13:54] <HazRPG> brobostigon: big bang theory
[13:54] <brobostigon> HazRPG: yay :)
[13:54] <HazRPG> not sure if she's seen IT crowd...
[13:54] <brobostigon> HazRPG: thts good.
[13:55] <HazRPG> there must be a way to grab out the totem stream ... right?
[13:55] <brobostigon> HazRPG: loads of linux references allover IT crowd.
[13:55] <brobostigon> :)
[13:55] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I know :P
[13:55] <brobostigon> :) sorry,
[13:55] <HazRPG> I was actually thinking about watching it :P
[13:56] <HazRPG> shauno: do you know if totem's output can be streamed out?
[13:56] <livingdaylight> any seen the ZeitgeistMovingForward docu-film?
[13:56] <brobostigon> big bang, is a good example, of the social inept-ness of some geeks.
[13:56] <shauno> HazRPG: honestly no idea.  was just curious if pulseaudio could grab it
[13:57] <HazRPG> shauno: heh I just tried totem file.sid > another_file
[13:57] <HazRPG> and its blank :(
[13:58] <HazRPG> guessing > only works for outputting text
[13:58] <shauno> it shouldn't be only text, but in practice, an audio player isn't going to be using stdout unless it's told to
[13:59] <shauno> I should imagine they default to ... an audio device :)
[14:00] <HazRPG> I think its weird how sidplay2 seems to output as a 3:30 song
[14:01] <HazRPG> it doesn't seem to ouput just 1 or 2 loops of it
[14:01] <HazRPG> maybe I'm just using it wrong :S
[14:06] <hamitron> bbl, gaming time
[14:06] <hamitron> :)
[14:31] <kaushal> hi
[14:31] <kaushal> is there a way to enable logging for fcron periodical command scheduler ?
[14:34] <Seeker`> anyobe on BT having problems accessing wikipedia?
[14:34] <HazRPG> Seeker`: check here: isup.me
[14:34] <Seeker`> i know eikipedia is up
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> BT is censoring?
[14:35] <Seeker`> my question is if anyone else on BT is having problems
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: try traceroute?
[14:35] <Seeker`> dont know, tracert is fine
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: sounds like a problem at your end then
[14:36] <HazRPG> Seeker`: my friend on voip says he can access wikipedia just fine and he's on BT
[14:36] <Seeker`> gets to text.esams.wikimedia.org
[14:36] <Seeker`> but browers / wget cant access it
[14:36] <HazRPG> Seeker`: what you running on?
[14:36] <Seeker`> on any computer on my network
[14:36] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: do you have tcpdump/wireshark installed?
[14:37] <Seeker`> XP/Windows 7 qnd mythbuntu
[14:37] <HazRPG> Seeker`: ah, well in that case, might sound daft... do a router restart :)
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> wireshark is available for both Windows and Ubuntu :)
[14:37] <HazRPG> indeed
[14:37] <popey> what happens when you wget Seeker` ?
[14:37] <Seeker`> HazRPG asked what i was running on :)
[14:38] <Seeker`> "connection timed out"
[14:38] <Seeker`> not just wikipedia either, my irssi shell does the same
[14:38] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: sounds like something is breaking new TCP connections
[14:38] <MartijnVdS> i.e. the router
[14:39] <Seeker`> MartijnVdS: other sites are fine though
[14:39] <MartijnVdS> Maybe path-mtu discovery is broken
[14:39] <MartijnVdS> (that happens with PPPoE sometimes)
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> I'd reset the router and try again :)
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> if that doesn't fix it.. more probing :)
[14:41] <Seeker`> just power cycling
[14:42] <MartijnVdS> well maybe wait a few seconds between off and on
[14:42] <MartijnVdS> but yes
[14:42] <Seeker`> yeah, 30 seonds
[14:42] <Seeker`> waiting for homehub to boot now
[14:44] <Seeker`> bah, BTs router is rubbish
[14:44] <Seeker`> i need somethibg else with a VDSL modem connection
[14:45] <MartijnVdS> Fritz!Box 7390 :)
[14:45] <MartijnVdS> http://www.fritzbox.eu/en/products/FRITZBox_Fon_WLAN_7390/index.php
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> it's the big brother of the 7340 I have (concurrent dual-band N instead of non-concurrent dual-band N)
[14:46] <Seeker`> currently using an old DG834 for the wireless because the HomeHub keeps dropping it
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: check that link :)
[14:46] <Seeker`> bah, same problem I had with wikipedia now happening with fritzbox.eu
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> did you enable "more firewalling"?
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> (than usual)
[14:47] <Seeker`> nope
[14:48] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: I'd start with tcpdump/wireshark then
[14:48] <MartijnVdS> check what part isn't working
[14:48] <Seeker`> haven't touched the router settings in weeks
[14:56] <kaushal> is there a way to set alert if a particular user sucks Internet Bandwdith among 100 Users in a LAN Environment ?
[14:56] <kaushal> I mean if he uses any p2p application like torrents
[14:56] <kaushal> I am using shorewall firewall
[14:57] <MartijnVdS> ipband - daemon for subnet bandwidth monitoring with reporting via email
[14:57] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: ^ that what you need?
[14:58] <kaushal> ok
[15:01] <Seeker`> MartijnVdS: Looks like I'm getting "[TCP Previous Segement lost]
[15:01] <Seeker`> then
[15:01] <Seeker`> {TCP Out-of-Order]
[15:02] <MartijnVdS> sounds like packet loss
[15:03] <Seeker`> bit weird that it only happens on certain sites though?
[15:03] <Seeker`> And after restarting my router, some that didn't work before do now
[15:05] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: try "mtr"
[15:05] <MartijnVdS> it's a more advanced traceroute tool
[15:08] <Seeker`> getting 0% packetloss on mtr www.fritzbox.eu
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> ok
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> next check :)
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: try: ping -s 1500 some_host_that_doesnt_work
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: then go down in steps ~100 until it does
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> uh wait
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> also add "-M do"
[15:12] <Seeker`> From htpc (<IP_ADDRESS>) icmp_seq=1 Frag needed and DF set (mtu = 1500)
[15:12] <MartijnVdS> (1464 is the max here)
[15:12] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: try 1464 :)
[15:12] <Seeker`> don't get any output for lower stuff until I get down to -s 900
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> Sounds like big packets are dropped or something
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> do the sites work if you set:
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> ip link set eth0 mtu 900
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> (change eth0 to your network device)
[15:15] <Seeker`> wtf
[15:15] <Seeker`> just tried to access the site again without changing anything and it goes through now
[15:15] <MartijnVdS> Maybe some engineer is working on the other end
[15:16] <Seeker`> -_-
[15:16] <Seeker`> just want a net connection that works
[15:16] <Seeker`> I wonder if this is the same reason that MSN keeps on dropping
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> could be
[15:17] <MartijnVdS> the modem/router could also be broken
[15:17] <MartijnVdS> or the wifi AP
[15:17] <Seeker`> well, I'm on my wired PC atm
[15:32] <HazRPG> shauno: I've just found an archive of a lot of chiptunes from the c64
[15:32] <HazRPG> in mp3 format
[15:32] <HazRPG> found the website via the sidplay2.ini file
[15:34] <MartijnVdS> so you bought the c64 for nothing? :P
[15:34] <HazRPG> seems a group called SOASC has archived as much as he possibly can with an automated process he made up
[15:35] <HazRPG> so that the mp3 are made from the genuine output of a c64
[15:35] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: heh, not quite ;)
[15:35] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I bought it to make my own chiptunes ;)
[15:38] <HazRPG> http://ftp.df.lth.se/pub/media/soasc/soasc_mp3/
[15:38] <HazRPG> their servers are going to have me soon xD
[15:43] <shauno> HazRPG: if you'll excuse the pug; "old".  I thought that was linked from hvsc?
[15:43] <shauno> er, *pun
[15:44] <HazRPG> erm... possibly?
[15:44] <HazRPG> I only found it, its news to me
[15:44] <HazRPG> I've only ever used 8-bit people before this
[16:09] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: Thanks
[16:09] <kaushal> It worked
[16:10] <kaushal> is there a way to block the specific IP if ipband reports offending LAN IP ?
[16:14] <daubers> Afternoon
[16:15] <czajkowski> oh well done to italy they beat France :D
[16:15] <dutchie> czajkowski: was close!
[16:16] <czajkowski> so I heard via twitter/irc
[16:17] <danfish> too close. not sure why France didn't go for the drop goal when on Italy's 22
[16:17] <dutchie> yeah
[16:23] <danfish> only 168 hrs and 37 mins until England demolish the Irish ;)
[16:59] <dutchie> danfish: haha
[17:03] <danfish> dutchie: how are the dreaming spires?
[17:04] <dutchie> i left them behind today
[17:04] <dutchie> due to end of term
[17:05] <danfish> End of term?!?!?!? It's only 12th March. When do you go back?
[17:06] <dutchie> 1st of may
[17:07] <danfish> yikes - 6 week break....danfish starts to grumble about students today...:)
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> heh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHLyrc-uoIk - "Adam Sweetman"
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> (at 6 minutes in, ish)
[17:12] <dutchie> danfish: 8 week terms is not particularly common...
[17:12] <danfish> MartijnVdS: now that's a beard
[17:13] <danfish> dutchie: true - oxbridge is a bit different....unless you were a post-grad
[17:13] <MartijnVdS> danfish: exactly :) and he has an "undiagnosed medical condition" :P
[17:13] <MartijnVdS> danfish: (working 24 hrs/day)
[17:15] <danfish> that just makes me feel tired on his behalf ;)
[17:16] <danfish> now that's an idea - what if you could sleep on someone else's behalf
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> you'd get Chinese sleep farms
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> where poor people would get rich sleeping :)
[17:16] <danfish> haha
[17:17] <seanh_> Hey, was wondering what is the easiest way to make a shared folder between two users on the same Ubuntu system?
[17:17] <danfish> you'd try to get to sleep yourself and an advert would come up on the underside of your eyelid "your sleep has been subcontracted to Beijing Sleep INC, now wake up"
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> seanh_: create a new group, add both users to it, create a folder that the group can write to
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> seanh_: done :)
[17:18] <seanh_> Ok, I'll try that
[17:19] <seanh_> But will things written to that folder automatically get the right perms, so that they're shared with the group?
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> seanh_: adding a user to a group only takes effect after that user logs out and back in again
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> seanh_: they should, yes
[17:19] <seanh_> Cool
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> seanh_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions
[17:29] <seanh_> Thanks for the link
[17:40] <seanh_> There's already a 'users' group with no members. Should I use that?
[17:41] <MartijnVdS> you could
[17:41] <imexil> popey, you seem to live under 2 names ;) See http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/presenter-biographies/
[17:42] <seanh_> or maybe it makes more sense to make a specific group for each shared folder
[17:42] <andylockran> howdy guys
[17:42] <andylockran> how's things?
[17:44] <seanh_> What's with the Public folder in my home dir by default then?
[17:47] <popey> seanh_: its just a folder
[17:47] <popey> like "Music"
[17:47] <popey> you can put whatever you like in it
[17:47] <seanh_> Is it supposed to be "public" somehow?
[17:48] <popey> no
[17:48] <seanh_> Well that's odd
[17:49] <popey> what is?
[17:49] <seanh_> Why have a folder called Public that is not?
[17:49] <czajkowski> Peeka boo
[17:49] <czajkowski> :D
[17:49] <popey> you can share it if you like
[17:49] <popey> why have a Music folder with no music in it
[17:49] <popey> they're just default folders
[17:50] <Neoti> hey all.
[17:50] <popey> hullo
[17:51] <Neoti> im looking for a huappage hvr usb satalite connector for my ubuntu 10.10 bax i intend to use it with VDR and XBMC on a Zotac Zbox any ideas or suggestions  ?
[17:51] <popey> imexil: well spotted, that was only edited an hour or so ago
[17:51] <Azelphur> any minecrafty people have any suggestions on http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/freeze-craftbukkit.6319/ ?
[17:51] <imexil> popey: wow and I actually just visited the page the first time after the remake
[17:51] <seanh_> ok
[17:52] <seanh_> Gotta logout to test my group folders then
[17:55] <popey> Azelphur: never heard of that
[17:58] <shauno> only people I know actually using bukkit are the devs :/
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> shauno: what's bukkit?
[18:18] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: it's a minecraft server designed to run mods
[18:18] <dutchie> MartijnVdS: http://bukkit.org/
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> ah
[18:18] <HazRPG> sorry, server side mods I should say
[18:19] <HazRPG> iirc I think it's a replica of the official minecraft server
[18:22] <czajkowski> danfish: you watching the games today
[18:22] <Azelphur> popey: it's nice and fun, I assume it's somehow plugin related but it's corrupted the world
[18:22] <Azelphur> and it takes about a week to replicate
[18:23] <Azelphur> so trial by error debugging ain't gonna work :D
[18:23] <dutchie> argh
[18:23] <dutchie> never go to bed with a lava bucket
[18:23] <Azelphur> o.O
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[18:25] <danfish> czajkowski: yup, but intermitently - son no 1 has an unidentified vomiting bug :(
[18:26] <czajkowski> why does one need to identify it?
[18:26] <danfish> hah - true
[18:26] <danfish> come on Ireland!
[18:27] <ging> are they winning?
[18:27] <Pendulum> Wales are winning :)
[18:27] <danfish> ging: there are coming second
[18:27] <czajkowski> muppets took ROG off and brought on Sexton
[18:27] <Pendulum> s/are/is
[18:28] <danfish> s/there/they're
[18:29] <czajkowski> COME ON!!!
[18:29] <czajkowski> *mutters*
[18:29] <danfish> han
[18:29] <czajkowski> mutters/screams
[18:29] <danfish> handling errors :(
[18:29]  * popey chuckles at directhex's debian wiki edit
[18:29] <czajkowski> such stupidity
[18:31] <AlanBell> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f3c9/index.htm
[18:31] <AlanBell> no glyph to use yet
[18:32] <directhex> popey, just did a TWID interview...
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Unicode 6.0, the world's biggest clip art library :)
[18:34] <ali1234> yet they still miss the ETS block glyphs
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> ETS?
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> 💩
[18:36] <ali1234> see ETS 300 706 section 15.7
[18:36] <directhex> ali1234, they have what matters: PILE OF POO and CAT FACE CRYING WITH TEARS OF JOY
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> ah teletext
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> directhex: OK, time to close down the internet. We have everything.
[18:38] <ali1234> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f4a9/index.htm
[18:38] <ali1234> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f639/index.htm
[18:38] <ali1234> damn
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> DIRECTIONALITY_UNDEFINED though :)
[18:38] <AlanBell> http://placekitten.com/g/200/300
[18:45] <czajkowski> gah!!!!
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: wassup?
[18:46] <czajkowski> Rugby
[18:49] <Pendulum> AlanBell: cute
[18:49] <HazRPG> ... probably going to get whacked in the face but I never understood sports :/
[18:49] <HazRPG> or at least the fascination behind it
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: try doing them :)
[18:51]  * MartijnVdS doesn't like watching sports
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> but running = the bomb
[18:51] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I like *doing* sport, just not watching it
[18:52] <HazRPG> its like "hurray, those guys are running around... while I sit here munching on this burger *on nom nom*"
[18:53] <HazRPG> sports are fun though :)
[18:53]  * HazRPG likes basketball, and badminton
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> Having run my first 20km last week, I can say I'm a runner ;)
[18:53] <HazRPG> oh and Frisbee!
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> in 1:59:49 (1 hour 10 seconds after #1 :))
[18:54] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: awesome, grats :D
[19:01] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I'm watching IT crowd now :)
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: with l33t subtitles?
[19:01] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: does it come with 1337 subs?
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: the DVD of season 1 comes with different "special" subs for each episode
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> one l33t
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> one base64
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> and a few others
[19:03] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: haha didn't notice that xD
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I saw them on a boat in Amsterdam with some #lugradio regulars a few years back 8-)
[19:06] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: :o!
[19:06] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :)
[19:07] <Pendulum> MartijnVdS: you were on that boat? I heard it was a good time :)
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> Pendulum: oh it has a reputation? :)
[19:09] <Pendulum> MartijnVdS: Xalior is my ex (from ages and ages ago) and one of my good mates now. Plus I've been to Amsterdam on holiday with him since
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> Pendulum: ah!
[19:10]  * bigcalm collapses
[19:10]  * MartijnVdS gives bigcalm a strong drink to recover
[19:10]  * bigcalm sips his tea
[19:11] <Pendulum> bigcalm: how's the great north?
[19:11] <bigcalm> We picked up a pint of milk from the local ASDA so it wouldn't be so horrid
[19:11] <bigcalm> Pendulum: wet
[19:11] <Pendulum> at least it's just wet?
[19:11] <bigcalm> Pendulum: heavy rain and then snow during our drive up here last night. Got to bed at 2am
[19:11] <Pendulum> *nods*
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: also, more snow approaching
[19:12] <bigcalm> Aye, we're enjoying the change in scenery
[19:12] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: woop
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> need another spotify playlist? :)
[19:12] <Pendulum> I have to admit that February and March are not 2 months I would think of to visit Edinburgh
[19:12] <bigcalm> Haha
[19:13] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: if you want to make another, sure. But we didn't finish the 1st one
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: oh.. so you haven't heard Rick Astley or Crazy Frog yet? :)
[19:13] <bigcalm> Pendulum: quietish at work, so making the most of it
[19:13] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: my GF is a mad 80s pop fan, and I quite like Astley as well
[19:14] <bigcalm> We can do without the Crazy Frog
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: in that case.. I have lots of that on vinyl :)
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I'll make a list
[19:14] <bigcalm> Funky :)
[19:14] <bigcalm> You have lots of Astley on vinyl?
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: no, just the one 12" of Never Gonna Give You Up
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: but loads of 80s pop and new wave
[19:15] <bigcalm> Sweet
[19:15] <bigcalm> Synth FTW!
[19:21] <brobostigon> how do i change the branch a folder within bzr gets pushed to, from lp:~scraliontis/+junk/saab-hybrid too lp:~hydraulic-hybrid/+junk/saab-hybrid ?
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: bzr push --remember lp:~foo
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> ?
[19:25] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: thank you, let me try, :)
[19:29] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: thank you, worked beautifully. :)
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> np
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> <-- store of random
[19:30] <brobostigon> :)
[19:38] <bigcalm> Lets see if minecraft works over a 3g connection
[19:41] <dutchie> bigcalm: surely this was a great chance to try and break the addiction :P
[19:41] <bigcalm> dutchie: I'm trying to not work...
[19:51] <bigcalm> Need to reset. Toodle pip
[19:53] <nperry_> Guys, looking to design a UI for my learning java project.
[19:53] <nperry_> Any suggestions for something to create a wireframe type ui?
[19:53] <nperry_> (Did ubuntu release what they use for ui proposals)
[19:57] <dutchie> nperry_: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil/+junk/textmockuptool is interesting
[19:57] <dutchie> with associated blog post http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2011/03/01/textmockuptool
[19:59] <directhex> bloody dsl
[20:00] <nperry_> thanks dutchie
[20:00] <nperry_> Just what Im looking for
[20:01] <Tommeh> Anyone from bytemark/35425 around?
[20:01] <dutchie> don't thank me, thank aq
[20:16] <popey> evening
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> \o popeyman
[20:21] <Pendulum> hiya popey
[20:26] <kvarley> popey: I loved your tweet about the technology insults, didnt realised you could generate QR codes based on text. Been using it a fair bit :)
[20:26] <popey> hah
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> We have a QR with the lyrics to "Never Gonna Give You Up" in the office
[20:29] <zleap> hi
[20:32] <dutchie> MartijnVdS: haha
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: "QRick Roll"
[21:21] <azelphur> hmm, what would make a server respond to ping but not SSH?
[21:22] <zleap> ssh server not running
[21:22] <nigelb> azelphur: firewall.
[21:22] <azelphur> yea I havn't messed with either of those :P
[21:22] <nigelb> or yeah, ssh server not running.
[21:22] <zleap> ok
[21:22] <azelphur> and the ssh server was running
[21:23] <zleap> ok
[21:23] <azelphur> it was a server with ~150 days uptime and then suddenly it goes off the grid :P
[21:23] <azelphur> I'm thinking hardware failure
[21:23] <zleap> you may have to make sure its port forwarding properly on port 22 if you are using it on port 22
[21:23] <nigelb> okay, did the server like overload and kick you off ssh?
[21:23] <azelphur> nigelb, it was just doing it's usual stuff, hosting my IRC server and game servers
[21:23] <azelphur> and then it died :P
[21:24] <nigelb> ok, I'll lean towards hardware too ;)
[21:24] <azelphur> I'm thinking hardware failure
[21:24] <azelphur> lol
[21:24] <azelphur> it responds to ping which is weird
[21:24] <azelphur> all the services disappeared, it wouldn't respond to ping, after a hard reboot it responds to ping but no SSH
[21:29] <azelphur> seems weird that the hard drive would just go boom though
[21:29] <nigelb> azelphur: this calls for http://www.bash.org/?5273
[21:29] <nigelb> (sort of)
[21:29] <azelphur> haha :D
[21:29] <azelphur> I hope the hdd didn't go boom D:
[21:30] <nigelb> anyone worked with amazon s3 here?
[21:30]  * nigelb tries to figure out difference between bucket and object
[21:43] <azelphur> lol the tech support at the datacenter says a hardware issue would prevent the server from booting altogether
[21:44]  * azelphur thinks someone hasn't done much hardware engineering over the years
[21:49] <popey> azelphur: do you have serial console access?
[21:50] <azelphur> nope :(
[21:51] <popey> doesnt sound like hardware failure to me
[21:52] <popey> sounds more like it's rebooted and is sat at a fsck prompt
[21:52] <azelphur> popey, maybe, but then why did it go down in the first place :)
[21:52] <popey> servers crash sometimes
[21:52] <azelphur> :o
[21:52] <popey> kernel bug
[21:52] <azelphur> Linux servers? never
[21:52] <popey> could well be memory error
[21:52] <popey> lies
[21:53] <azelphur> :p
[21:53] <popey> which triggered the reboot
[21:53] <azelphur> *shrug*
[21:53] <popey> but I'd certainly believe its sat there, on, waiting for someone to press something
[21:53] <azelphur> haha
[21:53] <MonsterKiller> lol
[21:53] <popey> can they hook up a serial console?
[21:53] <azelphur> they sent a tech to go look at it anyway so we'll soon find out
[21:54] <MonsterKiller> /soon/
[21:54] <MonsterKiller> lol
[21:54]  * popey drums his fingers
[21:54] <popey> we must know!
[21:55] <azelphur> indeed! :P
[21:55] <popey> where's it hosted?
[21:55] <azelphur> rmh,a
[21:55] <MonsterKiller> tech support soon == around 1-2 hours
[21:55] <azelphur> oops.
[21:55] <azelphur> reliablesite.net
[21:55] <popey> lol
[21:55] <popey> at rapidswitch we have to pay for console access :(
[21:55] <MonsterKiller> lol
[21:55] <azelphur> :(
[21:55] <popey> 20 quid a pop for an hour or something
[21:55] <popey> we've only needed it once
[21:55] <MonsterKiller> o.O
[21:56] <azelphur> what did you do? :O
[21:56] <popey> upgraded debian
[21:56] <azelphur> ah :)
[21:57] <popey>  22:03:56 up 90 days, 17:55,  1 user,  load average: 0.17, 0.04, 0.01
[21:57] <popey> since that happened
[21:57] <azelphur> hehe, mine was up 150ish
[21:58] <AlanBell> I feel an OLPC update coming on
[21:58] <popey> what kind of storage is in an OLPC AlanBell ?
[21:59] <popey> is it soldered on?
[21:59] <AlanBell> 1GB of soldered on stuff
[21:59] <AlanBell> jffs2 filesystem
[21:59] <AlanBell> and an sd card slot
[22:05] <azelphur> It appears that there are file system errors or corruption, FSK is running.
[22:06] <azelphur> 10 internets for popey!
[22:06] <popey> :)
[22:06] <MonsterKiller> D:
[22:06] <MonsterKiller> lol
[22:06] <azelphur> hopefully fsck can fix it so I can grab the backups off it.
[22:06] <MonsterKiller> :D
[22:06] <azelphur> it's aliiiive
[22:06] <MonsterKiller> :o
[22:07] <MonsterKiller> win
[22:07] <popey> yay
[22:08] <azelphur> note to self: offsite backups.
[22:08] <MonsterKiller> azelphur, ^
[22:08] <MonsterKiller> :P
[22:08] <popey> azelphur: i use rsnapshot on a box at home
[22:09] <popey> it backs up popey.com, ubuntu-uk and all of lug.org.uk, remotely
[22:09] <AlanBell> rdiffbackup ftw
[22:09] <azelphur> cool
[22:09] <azelphur> popey, does rsync work like version control? or does it not allow you to rollback
[22:09] <popey> it keeps multiple versions
[22:09] <azelphur> cool
[22:09] <AlanBell> err, no
[22:10] <popey> so i have hourly, daily, weekly, monthly backups
[22:10] <AlanBell> rsync doesn't
[22:10] <azelphur> ah :)
[22:10] <AlanBell> rsnapshot does
[22:10] <AlanBell> and rdiffbackup
[22:10] <azelphur> fun, what do you usually back up with those, the entire filesystem?
[22:10] <popey> yup
[22:10] <AlanBell> rdiff-backup does rsync, but keeps the diffs
[22:10] <azelphur> very big download for me :o
[22:10] <popey> excluding /dev /proc etc
[22:10] <AlanBell> and applies them backwards
[22:10] <popey> initially, yes
[22:10] <popey> but after that its incremental
[22:10] <AlanBell> so you always have a pristine copy of today
[22:11] <azelphur> cool
[22:11] <AlanBell> and if you want yesterday it applies the increment to get there
[22:11] <azelphur> lovely, just like version control
[22:11] <azelphur> I like it :D
[22:11] <popey> sounds odd
[22:11] <daftykins> popey: is that to your drobo popey, or?
[22:11] <popey> no
[22:11] <popey> hp microserver
[22:11] <popey> with 2x 2TB disks
[22:12] <daftykins> ah, new gear? RAID 1?
[22:12] <popey> yeah
[22:12] <popey> super cheap server
[22:12] <daftykins> also hi all ^_^
[22:12] <daftykins> any pics?
[22:12] <MonsterKiller> hey daftykins
[22:12] <azelphur> where I might find the reason for it last shutting down btw? :P
[22:12] <popey> http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/sm/WF02a/15351-15351-4237916.html
[22:12] <popey> azelphur: you might not
[22:12] <popey> but dmesg
[22:13] <popey> that link was for daftykins btw :)
[22:13] <daftykins> ty popey :)
[22:13] <daftykins> i've resurrected a Shuttle SN25P recently, nforce4 with an Athlon64 3500+, 1GB RAM
[22:13] <daftykins> it had a dead gfx card, so i've popped in an nvidia GT 340
[22:14] <daftykins> right this moment typing from a live flash drive of 10.04.1 with nvidia drivers installed :)
[22:14] <daftykins> 1680x1050 20" LCD in portrait mode :D
[22:14] <MonsterKiller> lol
[22:15] <daftykins> said LCD has been sat there next to my two 24's for ages
[22:15] <gord> sigh, would love to get another monitor but that will have to be next months expense :( have to get new nintendo this month
[22:15] <daftykins> total, total overkill
[22:15] <daftykins> gord: which? and why 'have to'? :D
[22:15] <MonsterKiller> azelphur, irc server is alive!! ITS ALIIIIVE
[22:15] <daftykins> wonder if this beast plays music
[22:15] <azelphur> popey, anything in particular to grep for?
[22:15] <daftykins> azelphur: what broke? :D
[22:15] <popey> anything odd just before it went down
[22:16] <gord> daftykins, 3ds. because i'm a slave to nintendo. my mario hat arrived today, nintendo sent it to me because i have bought sooo many nintendo games
[22:16] <daftykins> gord: lol, i'm going to expose my naivety by asking... really? :)
[22:17] <azelphur> popey dmesg only shows the current session
[22:17] <azelphur> doesn't show anything before booting o.O
[22:17] <popey> there's older ones in /var/log
[22:17] <azelphur> ah
[22:17] <popey> ls -ltrh /var/log
[22:17] <popey> look for ones older than boot up time
[22:20] <azelphur> nope, I see nothing :P
[22:20] <azelphur> might have been a power outage.
[22:20] <popey> well, if it was a hardware error, chances are you wont see anything
[22:21] <azelphur> hehe
[22:21] <azelphur> oh well, no harm done and it's a nice incentive to get rsnapshot going :P
[22:22] <popey> heh
[22:22] <popey> or rdiffbackup :)
[22:22] <Azelphur_> indeed :)
[22:22] <Azelphur_> gah, hate the +R bug on this network
[22:22] <Azelphur_> +r rather
[22:23] <Azelphur_> if you join a channel that's +r, you have to auth to speak or change your nick, but you can't auth without changing your nick :D
[22:23] <popey> you could group your nicks
[22:24] <Azelphur> there we go :)
[22:25] <popey> you could group your nicks
[22:25] <Azelphur> true I could register Azelphur_ and group it haha
[22:25] <Azelphur> but that seems strange to me :D
[22:26] <popey> yesh
[22:26] <popey> hmm, feeling peckish
[22:26] <daftykins> Athlon64's still feel quite pokey :)
[22:26] <popey> i have some raw prawns, butter and garlic, this could be the start of a good meal between this episode of Railway Walks and the next
[22:27] <daftykins> how's natty running by the way, anyone?
[22:27] <daftykins> i think i'll be making a permanent Ubuntu installation on this Shuttle soon, so i've just to pick a version
[22:27] <Azelphur> daftykins: seems ok to me, I'm running natty now
[22:28]  * popey goes to make food
[22:28] <Azelphur> one thing that bugs me is ctrl+shift+(c|v) doesn't seem to work in gnome-terminal any more
[22:28] <Azelphur> have to right click paste o.O
[22:28] <daftykins> shift+insert?
[22:28] <popey> filed a bug?
[22:28] <daftykins> er
[22:28] <daftykins> ctrl+v has never worked in gnome-terminal for me
[22:28] <Azelphur> shift+ins works and now ctrl+shift+v works too, guess it was fixed in an update that I didn't notice
[22:28] <popey> he said crtl+shift+v
[22:28] <Azelphur> daftykins: ctrl+shift+v is paste :P
[22:28] <popey> not ctrl+v
[22:29] <daftykins> oh sorry, on meds for my eyes right now
[22:29] <daftykins> (no joke)
[22:29] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:29] <daftykins> hmm
[22:29] <daftykins> if i open a gnome-term and ctrl+shift+v i don't get anything
[22:29] <daftykins> but i do for shift+insert
[22:29] <daftykins> (on 10.04.1)
[22:30] <Azelphur> fun, it's always worked for me
[22:30] <daftykins> am i being dense ^_^
[22:31] <zleap> hi
[22:31] <daftykins> hi zleap
[22:31] <zleap> how are things
[22:32] <daftykins> not bad ta ^_^ yourself?
[22:32] <zleap> good
[22:32] <zleap> i am putting to gether a cd wallet with useful cd in
[22:32] <zleap> so 10.04 lts, 10.10, clonezilla, system rescue cd
[22:33] <daftykins> neat plan
[22:33] <popey> yay, i have some haggis!
[22:33] <daftykins> i usually carry around my flash drive with all common windows updates, service packs, windows CDs, Ubuntu CDs, etc.
[22:33] <daftykins> and a live ubuntu flash drive
[22:33] <zleap> ah
[22:33] <zleap> sounds good
[22:34] <daftykins> where i'm teaching, the students are quite privileged to have USB boot capable Pentium 4 HP clients on the training network
[22:34] <daftykins> so it's good for them :D
[22:34] <zleap> nice
[22:34] <hamitron> :)
[22:34] <zleap> do you teach any LInux stuff
[22:34] <daftykins> if only the syllabus contained any
[22:34] <ging> daftykins: have you seen those virtual rom drives you can get?
[22:35] <daftykins> i'm just helping out since November really, no experience of teaching before that
[22:35] <daftykins> and more inclined not to get any, now :D
[22:35] <daftykins> ging nope?
[22:36] <zleap> i will put in a copy of ther open disc
[22:36] <zleap> can i just download windows service packs
[22:37] <ging> daftykins: saw 1 at lug meeting today, basicly it's a usb hard drive that you can fill with live cds and you can flick through them on a little lcd display and it servs them up as a virtual cdrom
[22:37] <zleap> nice
[22:37] <ging> http://www.i-odd.com/
[22:37] <daftykins> :O
[22:37] <daftykins> clever idea
[22:38] <ging> they arn't that cheap though, because they are just a caddy you have to buy your own 2.5" hdd to go in them
[22:40] <daftykins> mmm, only worth it for the properly dedicated support types methinks
[22:41] <ging> i shall get 1 next time i get paid i think
[22:47] <daftykins> there we go, in its' totally unjustified glory; http://i.imgur.com/ggRGP.jpg
[22:47] <daftykins> Azelphur: look out ^ ;)
[22:47] <daftykins> i'm a chasin'!
[22:47] <Azelphur> haha :P
[22:48] <Azelphur> wtf I'm only getting 330B/sec from my server via sshfs
[22:48] <daftykins> what's normal?
[22:48] <Azelphur> oh there it goes now it's speeding up, weird
[22:48] <Azelphur> well baring in mind I'm not on a 300 baud modem
[22:48] <Azelphur> yea we're off now, it's climbing rapidly past 100KB/sec, that'll do :D
[22:52] <zleap> ok smoothwall done 32 / 64 bit versions
[22:59] <daftykins> zleap: the free one? polar v3?
[22:59] <zleap> i think its the free one (express)
[22:59] <zleap> ver 3
[23:00] <daftykins> i miss running a smoothwall
[23:00] <AlanBell> yay, OLPC flashage in progress
[23:00] <zleap> well i will make the cd's up and then they are ther if people locally need one at a lug meet
[23:00] <daftykins> if i considered more of my income disposable i'd build a tiny little mATX router PC probably
[23:00] <zleap> can just give them a copy or we may find it useful
[23:03] <zleap> daftykins, yeah i could do with building a new pc
[23:03] <daftykins> current one getting old?
[23:03] <zleap> i have a duron 1600
[23:03] <daftykins> ouch
[23:03] <zleap> with geforce 4 graphics
[23:03] <daftykins> no cash for cache eh ;)
[23:03] <zleap> but it works fine
[23:04] <zleap> a newer one would just have a decent graphics card,  unless I can swap the one in there for a better one
[23:04] <daftykins> AGP constrained i take it?
[23:04] <zleap> yeah
[23:04] <daftykins> AlanBell: what's being changed from and to?
[23:04] <daftykins> mmm i've seen nvidia 7600GTs i think as top-end for AGP
[23:05] <zleap> but a newer one would be less likely to faily suddenly
[23:05] <zleap> well i am also on legacy drivers, which could make me stuck on ubuntu 10.04 or 10.10
[23:05] <daftykins> cor!
[23:05] <daftykins> i don't think i'll upgrade for a while
[23:06] <daftykins> maybe a graphics card if Portal 2 ever shows up :)
[23:06] <daftykins> zomg it's out next month
[23:06] <daftykins> :O
[23:06] <zleap> :)
[23:06] <AlanBell> daftykins: just a newer version of the fedora based standard build
[23:06] <zleap> time to save up me thinks :)
[23:06] <daftykins> hehe
[23:07] <daftykins> i did look at the market recently, 200 pound nvidia geforce GTX 560 Ti 's seem to be the best at the moment
[23:07] <daftykins> in the nvidia camp that is
[23:08] <zleap> ouch
[23:08] <zleap> i am sure some of the atom boards have a ion graphics + nvidia
[23:08] <zleap> or something like that
[23:08] <hamitron> there was a 7800 GS for agp
[23:08] <hamitron> but not much better
[23:08] <hamitron> :/
[23:08] <zleap> that would probably work fine for me
[23:09] <daftykins> zleap: yeah my HTPC is an Ion nettop
[23:09] <zleap> i may see if I can ask if I can swap my graphics for something else building computers at a local youth project so hae lots of parts
[23:09] <daftykins> neat :D
[23:09] <zleap> i am sure they have newer, and the computers will be internet mainly so my geforce 4 would be fine
[23:10] <zleap> ok they are running 9.04 atm
[23:10] <hamitron> nothing wrong with a geforce 4
[23:10] <hamitron> :)
[23:10] <zleap> exactly
[23:10] <hamitron> my 5th comp here has a 4800SE
[23:11] <zleap> ah
[23:11] <zleap> 5th I have 2 here,
[23:11] <hamitron> love the VIVO
[23:11] <daftykins> ah the strange edition
[23:11] <zleap> lol
[23:11] <daftykins> i remember the Ti 4200, 4400, 4600 era :)
[23:11] <daftykins> in fact i even remember a colourful albatron ti4680 i had
[23:11] <zleap> other computer currently runs some other OPerating system from er redmond
[23:11] <daftykins> ;)
[23:11] <hamitron> ;/
[23:12] <zleap> which if the open disc was on cd I could use to test
[23:12] <zleap> but its on dvd and said puter has a cd drive
[23:12] <daftykins> flash drive time :)
[23:14] <zleap> good idea
[23:14] <zleap> duh
[23:14]  * zleap should have thought of that,  i need to get a few more of those
[23:15] <zleap> thing is i want different colours so they are easy to identify which is which
[23:15] <daftykins> indeedy
[23:16] <daftykins> i have a 16GB corsair flash voyager GT for super fast capacity for all the service packs, updates and utilities to carry around
[23:16] <daftykins> then a silver flash survivor 8GB with ubuntu on
[23:16] <daftykins> also by corsair
[23:16] <daftykins> and a super cheap 4GB flash voyager mini :D
[23:17]  * hamitron is too lazy to plug usb in
[23:17] <daftykins> O_O
[23:18] <hamitron> I am too cheap to buy a new case that has front ports
[23:18] <AlanBell> OLPC upgraded and overclocked \o/
[23:19] <hamitron> I got my new comp running
[23:19] <hamitron> :)
[23:21] <popey> hamitron: there is a metric boatload of sand in the brick house behind seans castle
[23:21] <popey> http://popey.com/minecraft/gmap/?lat=0.524577&lng=0.438517&zoom=8
[23:22] <hamitron> castle near start point?
[23:22] <popey> ya
[23:22] <popey> more than you could possibly want
[23:22] <popey> take it all :)
[23:23] <hamitron> wicked
[23:23] <hamitron> need to get minecraft working first though
[23:23] <hamitron> not even got vmware tools installed yet
[23:24] <popey> i think i need to buy a copy for my kids
[23:24] <hamitron> hehe
[23:24] <popey> so we can play together
[23:24] <popey> at the moment we're playing one at a time
[23:24] <hamitron> on same server?
[23:24] <AlanBell> I have installed it on the kids computer
[23:25] <popey> yeah, maybe run a second instance at home just for us
[23:25] <popey> if you logon twice on two computers with same user id, you get kicked :(
[23:25] <hamitron> I thought I was gonna ahve to clean up my act :D
[23:25] <popey> heh
[23:25] <popey> nah, maybe my daughter might visit the popey server
[23:26] <popey> i printed out a copy of the crafting page for them both
[23:26] <popey> sam went to the den and pulled all the paper (printed) out of the printer and layed them out on the floor
[23:26] <popey> unsorted
[23:26] <popey> so i had to re-sort them :)
[23:26] <hamitron> haha
[23:26] <hamitron> the chores involved with fatherhood ;/
[23:27] <popey> :)
[23:27] <HazRPG> \o
[23:27] <hamitron> that, or the stupidity of getting them into this game ;D
[23:27] <popey> hey hamitron
[23:27] <popey> er HazRPG
[23:27] <HazRPG> popey: yeah?
[23:28] <popey> hello
[23:28] <HazRPG> howdy :)
[23:29] <HazRPG> I feel a question coming on...
[23:29] <HazRPG> although I could be wrong
[23:29]  * daftykins switches on the anti-question device
[23:31] <HazRPG> guess not :P
[23:32] <daftykins> HazRPG: naw go on ;)
[23:33] <HazRPG> daftykins: no I thought popey was going to ask me a question ^^
[23:33] <popey> nope
[23:33]  * HazRPG is curious as to the choice of words of "er"
[23:33] <HazRPG> lol
[23:34] <daftykins> oh :D
[23:34] <HazRPG> popey: hmm, just read earlier comments - you could always set your sever up as "online = off"
[23:35] <popey> eh?
[23:36] <HazRPG> "online = off" is just to stop people using the same logon more than once (and to stop those without a proper account)
[23:36] <HazRPG> sorry I mean "online = on"
[23:36] <popey> oh i see
[23:37] <HazRPG> not that I condone it of course, but you could get your kids logging in using an alt. version
[23:38] <popey> nah
[23:38] <HazRPG> ?
[23:39] <HazRPG> oh, and online parameter is also the reason why when the minecraft site is down people can't login at all - its sort of an authenticity check
[23:42] <hamitron> is 500fps on glxgears bad?
[23:43] <daftykins> sounds pretty low
[23:43] <hamitron> :/
[23:44] <Cepheus> I'm getting 15000 so that is quite low
[23:44] <hamitron> oh dear
[23:44] <daftykins> i'd run it but mesa-utils apparently doesn't have an installation candidate :D
[23:45] <hamitron> maybe should restart this virtual machine
[23:45] <daftykins> oh that's performance in a VM?
[23:45] <Cepheus> that might be your problem.
[23:45] <hamitron> it isn't a problem tbh
[23:45] <hamitron> just want the best I can get
[23:45] <hamitron> :)
[23:45] <Cepheus> VMs don't do HW accel, except for some very rough stuff in virtualbox that is buggy and not much faster
[23:48] <hamitron> brb, restart


[10:29] <rbasak> apw: around? We're testing some upgrade paths for MySQL from Trusty to Xenial, and may be impacted by the "from" kernel version because I don't think the original Trusty kernel supports Apparmor on Unix sockets.
[10:29] <rbasak> apw: we'll test this path, but we also want to test the Precise->Trusty->Xenial path.
[10:29] <rbasak> apw: so the question is: do you know the set of kernels users can end up with on upgrading from Precise to Trusty?
[10:29] <apw> rbasak, that sounds about fair analysis of the trusty -release kernel
[10:30] <rbasak> apw: will they always end up with the Trusty non-HWE kernel, or is there a case where a user upgrading from Precise could end up with an HWE Trusty kernel?
[10:31] <apw> rbasak, in theory all hwe kernels upgrade to the release kernel in the following LTS if we have done our meta-packages right
[10:32] <rbasak> That's great. We'll check to be sure, but hopefully this will help reduce our test matrix, because then our Precise->Trusty->Xenial test will cover the Trusty -release kernel to Xenial case too.
[10:32] <rbasak> Thanks!
[10:32] <apw> rbasak, and yes during upgrade you run the old kernel the entire time, until the upgrade completes, so you do expect some issues until you reboot
[10:37] <rbasak> Got it. Thanks!
[10:38] <apw> i wonder if we support upgrading P->T->X without a reboot at T
[10:38] <apw> i'd really hope not
[10:45] <rbasak> I expect not. I'm not worried about that case.
[10:46] <rbasak> Our reason for testing P->T->X is really the state in /var/lib/mysql etc.
[10:47] <rbasak> But it also nicely covers the T -release kernel -> X case so we don't need to independently test that in theory.
[10:47] <rbasak> Given that we're testing P->T->(reboot)->X
[10:47] <rbasak> P->T->(reboot)->X->(reboot) I suppose.
[10:57] <Skuggen> I'll do the upgrade from Precise to Trusty then, and verify that it has 3.13
[10:57] <Skuggen> Thanks :)
[10:58] <apw> of course that ship has sailed if we got it wrong
[11:37] <Skuggen> It does say a restart is required, at least, after going from Precise to Trusty :)
[11:38] <Skuggen> And now I'm on 14.04.4 with kernel 3.13.0
[13:07] <caribou> Will any other release receive the 4.4+ kernels other than Xenial ? The crash tool fails to load these so I'm fixing it
[13:09] <rtg> caribou, the last 14.04 point release (14.04.5 ?) will have the Xenial kernel.
[13:09] <caribou> rtg: ok, I'll SRU the fix to Trusty as well


[00:40] <micahg> jdstrand: I asked chrisccoulson to be in touch with you as I will be offline for a couple days
[02:52] <[reed]> asac / jdstrand / fta: don't forget releases tomorrow
[08:58] <BUGabundo_remote> m0rning
[12:48] <asac> chrisccoulson: so nss is still fine ;)?
[12:48] <asac> chrisccoulson: firefox 3.5 and 3.0 security updates go out today
[12:48] <asac> are they prepared?
[12:48] <asac> xulrunner-1.9 and xulrunner-1.9.1
[12:49] <chrisccoulson> asac - nss seems to be working fine
[12:49] <chrisccoulson> will you have a chance to upload that? (along with nspr and xulrunner-1.9.2) ;)
[12:49] <chrisccoulson> i can upload firefox 3.6.2....
[12:50] <chrisccoulson> but i can't do the others
[12:50] <asac> chrisccoulson: you can upload firefox 3.6.2?
[12:50] <asac> how is that?
[12:50] <asac> i dont think its in the desktop package set
[12:52] <asac> but yes, will upload nss/nspr now
[12:53] <jdstrand> asac, chrisccoulson: ff USNs: 920-1 921-1
[12:53] <asac> jdstrand: thanks
[12:53] <jdstrand> asac: micah told me that 3.5 got a new nss. will karmic be getting a new system nss? is it security related?
[12:54] <chrisccoulson> asac - "== All uploaders for package 'firefox' =="
[12:54] <chrisccoulson> Archive Upload Rights for ubuntu-desktop: package set 'ubuntu-desktop' in lucid
[12:54] <chrisccoulson> so, i'm not sure if that's a mistake or not ;)
[12:54] <chrisccoulson> but it looks like i can upload that
[12:54] <chrisccoulson> i will look at these other security updates today too
[12:55] <asac> chrisccoulson: its a mistake
[12:55] <asac> but i dont care
[12:55] <chrisccoulson> that's ok, i don't mind being able to upload it ;)
[12:55] <asac> well i care because i get busted if someone uploads it
[12:55] <chrisccoulson> it's only seeded in ubuntu isn't it?
[12:56] <asac> its a trademark issue thing
[12:56] <asac> noone really understands the processes from the desktop team
[12:56] <asac> and if they start sponsoring patches etc. all goes crazy
[12:57] <asac> chrisccoulson: we got permission to add the cairo patch
[12:57] <chrisccoulson> asac - excellent
[12:57] <chrisccoulson> it's working fine now btw
[12:57] <chrisccoulson> i've got beautiful fonts here now ;)
[12:57] <jdstrand> asac, chrisccoulson: is karmic getting a new libnss for a security update? it needs a USN if it is
[12:58] <asac> i havent checked if it does
[12:58] <asac> chrisccoulson: please add it to the branch. let me add you to the mt now
[12:58] <asac> chrisccoulson: but really. dont add patches ;)
[12:59] <chrisccoulson> yeah, no worries
[12:59] <chrisccoulson> the current branch is tagged for 3.6.2-0ubuntu1 atm isn't it?
[12:59] <jdstrand> asac, chrisccoulson: ok, for karmic/libnss, the USN doesn't need to be preassigned if we are doing that, however, if it is not going to be preassigned then please add the CVE id to the changelog
[13:01] <asac> chrisccoulson: where did you get the ""== All uploaders for package 'firefox' ==""
[13:01] <asac> from?
[13:01] <chrisccoulson> asac - "edit_acl.py -s firefox query"
[13:01] <chrisccoulson> (from ubuntu-archive-tools)
[13:02] <asac> ok
[13:02] <asac> just checked. its a bug
[13:02] <asac> but cant be fixed in lucid
[13:02] <chrisccoulson> asac - cjwatson is normally the person to speak to about those issues
[13:03] <asac> chrisccoulson: checked with him
[13:03] <asac> its a bug
[13:03] <asac> will be fixed in lucid+1
[13:04] <chrisccoulson> cool, thanks
[13:04] <chrisccoulson> and hopefully i will be able to upload to main by then anyway ;)
[13:04] <asac> chrisccoulson: added you to mt
[13:05] <asac> please take extra care about what you do ;)
[13:05] <asac> never change changelogs from the past etc.
[13:05] <asac> e.g. because lintian complains etc.
[13:05] <chrisccoulson> yeah, no worries. thanks
[13:05] <asac> and when adding patches we need to get permission ;)
[13:06] <asac> chrisccoulson: ok so focus on 3.0/3.5/1.9/1.9.1 security updates
[13:06] <asac> chrisccoulson: i will add you to ubuntu-mozilla-security
[13:06] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[13:06] <asac> chrisccoulson: please check if we need new nss for 1.9/1.9.1 too
[13:06] <asac> as jdstrand said
[13:06] <chrisccoulson> yeah, will do
[13:07] <asac> done
[13:07] <asac> chrisccoulson: let me paste you the dput configs
[13:07] <asac> because we need to upload with -security
[13:07] <asac> oh i already gave those, right?
[13:07] <chrisccoulson> i think so, but i would have to find them again
[13:08] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/406488/
[13:08] <asac> those are they
[13:08] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[13:08] <asac> be careful that you dont push stuff for X-security to >X
[13:08] <asac> that will cause bad problems with versioning ;)
[13:14] <asac> chrisccoulson: can you check if we need new nss for security updates?
[13:14] <asac> then i would like to add the USN/CVE to the lucid changelog too
[13:14] <asac> nspr uploaded
[13:14] <asac> waiting now on that before i push nss
[13:15] <Dimmuxx> oh so 3.6.2 in lucid will have proper fonts?
[13:16] <asac> only half
[13:17] <Dimmuxx> why only half?
[13:19] <chrisccoulson> asac - it looks like they all need the latest nss at least for 1.9.1 / 3.5.9
[13:19] <chrisccoulson> sorry, i meant we need the latest for at least 1.9.2 / 3.5.9
[13:20] <chrisccoulson> i'm just checking 3.0.19 too
[13:20] <chrisccoulson> so, you can probably add the USN to the lucid changelog
[13:23] <asac> jdstrand: so you want the USN for nss or the CVE?
[13:23] <asac> which CVE is it? (if you have it at hand)
[13:23] <asac> the CVE is probably mentiond in the 3.5. upstream adivsory anyway
[13:24] <jdstrand> asac: I don't have it. I don't have any info on nss. I'm going purely on what micahg said (that ff35 gets an updated nss)
[13:24] <asac> yeah
[13:24] <asac> ok
[13:25] <jdstrand> asac: as such, *if* libnss is getting updated *and* it is for a security update, then just add the CVE to the changelog
[13:25] <jdstrand> asac: I can then assign a USN later
[13:25] <jdstrand> asac: otherwise, no USN
[13:25] <jdstrand> (though it'll go through -security still, obviously)
[13:43] <kenvandine> BUGabundo_remote, hey... gwibber is much faster now and should be easier on your CPU
[13:43] <kenvandine> BUGabundo_remote, with desktopcouch 0.6.3-0ubuntu2 that i uploaded last night
[13:43] <kenvandine> gwibber-service starts in 0.8s for me now... down from 9s
[13:48] <BUGabundo_remote> kenvandine: let me update and run trunk
[13:48] <BUGabundo_remote> I was about to give about on gwibber
[13:48] <kenvandine> just use the package :)
[13:48] <BUGabundo_remote> everyime I use it my CPU goes 100% and stays there
[13:48] <BUGabundo_remote> and yes, start is much faster now
[13:48] <BUGabundo_remote> I noticed that
[13:48] <kenvandine> :)
[13:49] <kenvandine> on my netbook, the client and service starts in 3s total
[13:49] <kenvandine> even without desktopcouch running
[13:49] <kenvandine> down from 22s
[13:49] <BUGabundo_remote> I tried to use cpulimit on the process
[13:50] <kenvandine> on my laptop it went from 11s down to 1.2s
[13:50] <BUGabundo_remote> but it keeps spawning gwibber-services
[13:50] <kenvandine> for both client and service
[13:50] <kenvandine> well it should do that
[13:50] <kenvandine> it is threaded
[13:50] <kenvandine> but
[13:50] <kenvandine> there is another bug... if you are running trunk, did you run gwibber-accounts from trunk?
[13:50] <BUGabundo_remote> how do I restart (or just kill) desktopcouch ?
[13:50] <kenvandine> killall beam.smp desktopcouch-service
[13:50] <BUGabundo_remote> gwibber-accounts ??
[13:51] <BUGabundo_remote> that's the 1st tiem I hear that
[13:51] <kenvandine> ok
[13:51] <kenvandine> that is the accounts UI
[13:51] <kenvandine> if you run that from trunk and save any accounts it moves you passwds into the keyring
[13:51] <BUGabundo_remote> Now on revision 698.
[13:51] <kenvandine> there is a nasty keyring bug now
[13:51] <kenvandine> which is pegging the CPU
[13:51] <BUGabundo_remote> I've read about it on #-bugs
[13:51] <kenvandine> affecting gvfs, gwibber, desktopcouch and i think ubuntuone
[13:51] <BUGabundo_remote> so I better not run trunk ?
[13:51] <kenvandine> probably many others too
[13:52] <kenvandine> well... trunk is fine as long as you don't save your accounts :)
[13:52] <BUGabundo_remote> ok
[13:52] <BUGabundo_remote> starting trunk NOW
[13:52] <kenvandine> this keyring bug is bad... gotta be a high priority
[13:53] <BUGabundo_remote> 2.5 sec
[13:54] <BUGabundo_remote> oops
[13:54] <BUGabundo_remote> pressed the wrong button
[13:55] <BUGabundo_remote> 5922   0.68s   1.21s     0K     0K     0K     0K  --   - R  94% gwibber-servic
[13:55] <BUGabundo_remote> lots of CPU
[13:56] <BUGabundo_remote> and it aint even syncing
[13:58] <Chrissss> Hello, i've got a short question. Will https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable be updates with Firefox 3.6.2?
[13:58] <Chrissss> and if yes, do you have a schedule for this?
[13:58] <Chrissss> Thanks
[14:05] <Chrissss> Ok, found the answer :) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mozillateam/2010-March/001095.html
[14:16] <asac> chrisccoulson: have a nss tarball?
[14:17] <chrisccoulson> asac -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:18] <asac> chrisccoulson: odd
[14:18] <asac> i didnt find it there ;)
[14:18] <chrisccoulson> i couldn't find it when i accessed it through the http: URL
[14:19] <asac> oh its really there ;)
[14:19] <asac> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/security/nss/releases/NSS_3_12_6_RTM/
[14:19] <asac> its there too ;)
[14:19] <asac> probably was a time delay
[14:19] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i think so. when i initially started it, i couldn't see 3.12.6 either
[14:20] <asac> might also be a mirroring thing
[14:21] <asac> i am sure i didnt see it a just an hour ago
[14:28] <gnomefreak> does anyone know how to change/get a splash screen in Lucid. i cant find where to enable it
[14:29] <asac> chrisccoulson: nss uploaded. once all nspr/nss have biuld on all archs we can release ffox 3.6.2
[14:30] <chrisccoulson> asac - excellent, thanks!
[14:30] <asac> chrisccoulson: do you have a identi.ca account? or twitter?
[14:31] <chrisccoulson> asac - i have an identi.ca account, but i've never used it ;)
[14:31] <chrisccoulson> and i only have a single follower ;)
[14:31] <asac> chrisccoulson: same name as in nick here?
[14:31] <chrisccoulson> it is
[14:31] <asac> i will mention you ;) ... you will get a few followers then i think;)
[14:32] <asac> done
[14:33] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[14:33] <chrisccoulson> i just got notified via gwibber
[14:37] <gnomefreak> ok this is pissing me off
[14:39] <gnomefreak> asac: any chance on getting 3.6 < Lucid
[14:40] <fta2> asac, do you know what's preventing the codecs from being processed from the NEW queue ?
[14:44] <fta2> chrisccoulson, congrats :)
[14:46] <chrisccoulson> hey fta2, thanks :)
[14:54] <asac> gnomefreak: yes, sooner or later thats going to happen
[14:54] <asac> fta: is a FFe bug there?
[14:54] <asac> i can ask riddell then
[14:54] <asac> fta: gimme the bug id
[14:54] <asac> ;)
[14:58] <gnomefreak> asac: ok cool
[15:04] <fta2> bug 513776
[15:04] <fta2> no
[15:04] <fta2> bug 537617
[15:04] <fta2> asac, ^^
[15:07] <asac> fta2: was it approved (http proxy is going mad here)
[15:08] <fta2> asac, approved? what do you mean?
[15:09] <asac> fta2: FFe approved?
[15:10] <asac> nevermind ... finally opened and stefan said it was ok
[15:12] <asac> 16:10 < Riddell> asac: what do i need to do?
[15:12] <asac> 16:11 < asac> Riddell: archive admin ;)
[15:12] <asac> 16:12 < asac> NEWing basically
[15:12] <asac> 16:12 < Riddell> right, will do
[15:12] <asac> 16:12 < asac> coool
[15:12] <asac> fta2: ^^
[15:18] <fta2> thanks
[15:56] <eagles0513875> hi asac :) hope all is well
[15:57] <asac> eagles0513875: hi
[15:58] <eagles0513875> asac: got a question for ya whats gonna be done about the npbinviewer of flash and it crashing?
[15:59] <asac> eagles0513875: chrisccoulson might want to check if there is new stuff upstream
[15:59] <eagles0513875> asac: reason im asking is im following that bug someone said that the 64bit alpha works just fine and would remedy the situation of teh crash of the wrapped version
[15:59] <asac> next to the 100 other things he has on his list ;)
[15:59] <eagles0513875> lol
[15:59] <asac> no ...64bit isnt going to fly
[16:00] <asac> simply because there is no security support
[16:00] <eagles0513875> why is that though
[16:00] <eagles0513875> O_o
[16:00] <asac> e.g. and they skipped an important update
[16:00] <eagles0513875> :(
[16:00] <asac> so there is even an incident that proofs not pushing that was right
[16:00] <eagles0513875> ya
[16:00] <asac> with some luck we will be able to get it before lucid as final
[16:00]  * gnomefreak adds git to learn after learning a text email
[16:01] <asac> or after. not sure if we will migrate nspluginwrapper users there when they release after lucid
[16:01]  * eagles0513875 needs to do the same
[16:01] <asac> but that might be anoptions
[16:01] <eagles0513875> flash is a mess
[16:01] <asac> oh yes.
[16:01] <eagles0513875> even on windows
[16:01] <eagles0513875> firefox on windows for some reason if you have alot of tabs open with flash it doesnt know how to handle them very well and crashes
[16:03] <gnomefreak> i had a page on mutt but dont recall what i did with it
[16:03] <gnomefreak> flash 64 needs to get into archives im tired of answering i dont know if it will make it in
[16:04] <eagles0513875> hehe
[16:04] <eagles0513875> thats what i was asking as well
[16:04] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: it seems to be the solution to nsplugin crashing as im following a bug on lp about it
[16:05] <gnomefreak> problem is 64bit is having alot of issues last i heard
[16:06] <eagles0513875> asac:  mentioned something about security
[16:07] <gnomefreak> flash == piece of crap IMHO
[16:07] <gnomefreak> it will never bee worth a thing for Linux
[16:07] <gnomefreak> missing basic support
[16:09] <gnomefreak> libnspr4-0d :)
[16:09] <gnomefreak> nss still not here i dont think
[16:10] <gnomefreak> nope its not
[16:13] <BUGabundo_remote> kenvandine: both trunk and daily ppa use an entire CPU on idle :(
[20:09] <ripps> Is chromium-browser from the dev ppa gonna see the internal flash plugin?
[20:18] <fta> it should
[20:34] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:05] <fta> \o/ https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/chromium-codecs-ffmpeg/0.5+svn20100326r42726+42573+42890-0ubuntu1
[21:22] <ripps> is the nonfree codecs gonna be put in the restriced/multiverse repos?
[21:30] <fta> good question. i've renamed -nonfree to -extra (per upstream request) and they claim this whole debate does not concern users watching videos but publishers
[21:31] <fta> so it may not be an issue at all to ship just the full thing in universe/main
[21:33] <BUGabundo_WC> you mean main could actually include close codecs??
[21:35] <mahfouz> _WC means watercooler?
[21:52] <fta> i don't know, i will let the archive admins decide once the binaries are built and re-enter the NEW queue
[22:13] <BUGabundo_sofa> mahfouz: bathroom


[06:27] <sakhi> moonin
[06:31] <superfly> heya sakhi
[06:35] <Kilos> morning superfly and other dudes
[06:35] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:40] <sakhi> hi Kilos superfly #ubuntu-za
[07:51] <tumbleweed> so, WA has a debian mirror again today, but it's at a different place in the tree
[08:02] <froztbyte> hahaha
[08:20] <cocooncrash> ROFL
[08:58] <Symmetria> wow
[08:58] <Symmetria> never in my life
[08:58] <Symmetria> have I ever seen a sleeping tablet as strong as the stuff the doc told me to take last night
[08:58] <Symmetria> holy fuck
[08:58] <Symmetria> within 30 minutes of taking that stuff, I couldnt walk, passed out, woke up 14 hours later
[08:59] <froztbyte> I'd be tempted to check that out, but it still wouldn't fix my sleeping issues :(
[08:59] <Owkkuri> heh, anti-histamines do that to me
[09:00] <Owkkuri> *nom*, pass out
[09:17] <inetpro> Symmetria: sounds like you needed it
[09:58] <Cantide> '<
[10:00] <superfly> Owkkuri: have you tried a loratadine based anti-histamine?
[10:00] <Owkkuri> I should get something that doesn't knock me out
[10:00] <Owkkuri> first time I've ever had to take them.
[10:00] <Owkkuri> getting hayfever from my cat :<
[10:01] <superfly> Owkkuri: stuff like allergex knocks me out, but loratadine seems to work and not put me to sleep
[10:03] <Owkkuri> thanks superfly
[10:03] <Owkkuri> aye it's allergex that hits me for a six
[10:05] <superfly> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loratadine
[10:22]  * Owkkuri bookmarks
[10:23] <sakhi> is there a way to enable application monitoring with snmp?
[10:24] <froztbyte> "yes"
[10:24] <froztbyte> you already have a process tree available
[10:24] <froztbyte> search for prTable with your mib browser of choice
[10:25] <sakhi> at the moment I can see memory, network, CPU, disk...
[10:25] <sakhi> cool let me do that.
[10:25] <froztbyte> "see"?
[10:25] <froztbyte> do you mean cacti?
[10:26] <sakhi> ZenOSS and another Proof Of Concept application (commercial) Eye of the storm.
[10:26] <froztbyte> give zenoss an ssh key, it'll map out processes automatically
[10:27] <froztbyte> if you want to add anything, go to /Classes/Processes and define one there, then remodel your device
[10:29] <froztbyte> actually now that you mention it, I can't remember whether the process list tracks prTable as well
[10:34] <froztbyte> http://community.zenoss.org/docs/DOC-4810#d0e4180
[10:34] <sakhi> Classes gives more options. (applications and devices)
[10:34]  * sakhi takes a look.
[10:36] <froztbyte> looks like it uses prTable, so just make sure your snmpd config includes HOST-RESOURCES
[10:38] <froztbyte> http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/papers/jane/process_monitoring.pdf is another good link
[10:39] <froztbyte> why are you looking at other things than zabbix? I thought you liked it?
[10:42] <sakhi> :) I do like it. There is a POC which has the same look and feel as ZenOSS and the vendor is running it on Windows.  Sounds way worse than "google" :P
[12:13] <maiatoday> bing reminds me of the sound sensored radio makes when a swear word is said, or maybe that is beep
[13:45]  * nlsthzn cannot fathom the reason behind a name like bing either (then again, neither can I figure out a name like Google)
[13:49] <Owkkuri> nlsthzn: I think a google is 1 with 100 zeroes
[13:49] <Owkkuri> 1e100
[13:49] <superfly> Owkkuri: actually a "googol" is a 1 with 100 zeroes
[13:49] <superfly> "google" is a play on "googol"
[13:49] <Owkkuri> ah yes superfly
[13:49] <Owkkuri> :P
[13:49] <nlsthzn> ah, thx :)
[13:58]  * Symmetria bounces around
[13:58] <Symmetria> Extending tenet's network to amsterdam :) YAY!
[14:27] <sakhi> amsterdam thats good news
[15:51] <tumbleweed> superfly, drubin: BTW I moved the ubuntu-za cronjob around half an hour (it was running at the same time as CLUG Park), and set MaxRequestsPerChild 10, and everything seems fine now
[15:53] <drubin> tumbleweed: woohoo
[15:54] <tumbleweed> that max requests will obvious take a toll, but who cares about performance :P
[15:54] <tumbleweed> obviously
[15:55] <tumbleweed> drubin: I'd still like to see http://ubuntu-za.org/admin/reports/updates whittled down
[19:02] <RootChaos> evenings
[19:03] <RootChaos> i installed netbook 10.10 on my new BenQ JoyBook
[19:04] <RootChaos> can't seem to get the wireless connection going
[19:04] <RootChaos> don't quite like the look & feel of netbook so im bussy installing 10.10 desktop
[19:04] <RootChaos> running updates at the moment
[19:04] <RootChaos> hope it sorts out the wireless issue
[19:06] <RootChaos> dmesg |grep eth1   picks up the wireless, Broadcom BMC4315 802.11 hybrid wireless controller <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:07] <RootChaos> but network connections it's not showing
[19:07] <RootChaos> :(
[19:08] <superfly> RootChaos: you didn't hardcode it in /etc/network/interfaces?
[19:08] <RootChaos> no
[19:08] <RootChaos> if i click the network icon up top next to the time
[19:08] <RootChaos> its says "wireless" disconnected
[19:08] <RootChaos> and the wi-fi light on the laptop is off
[19:08] <RootChaos> i can press Fn+F2
[19:08] <RootChaos> to toggle wifi on/off
[19:08] <RootChaos> but it doesnt seem to do anything
[19:09] <RootChaos> on a review of the laptop somewhere i read that at the time of writing the review they also could not get it going
[19:11] <superfly> RootChaos: have you googled using the device id (from output of lspci)
[19:12] <RootChaos> BCM4312
[19:12] <RootChaos> no
[19:12] <RootChaos> not yet
[19:12] <RootChaos> let me check
[19:14] <superfly> RootChaos: no, there's a device id which looks something like this: 00a4:0a49
[19:15] <RootChaos> 01:00:0
[19:15] <RootChaos> thats all i see
[19:20] <RootChaos> ah
[19:20] <RootChaos> apt-get install b43-fwcutter
[19:20] <RootChaos> should do the trick according to another site
[19:21] <superfly> yeah, that sounds right
[19:22] <RootChaos> just waiting on the updates to complete
[19:22] <RootChaos> then i'll try that
[19:47] <RootChaos> that didnt work
[19:47] <RootChaos> trying another fix
[20:06] <Symmetria> heh
[20:06]  * Symmetria sends an email that will start a war in the internet community
[20:26] <Tonberry> o
[20:36] <Symmetria> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2011/001365.html
[20:36] <Symmetria> heh sorry the formatting is so fucked up on my reply to that
[20:36] <Symmetria> but it makes for an interesting read


[18:19] <user7> I am trying to setup a auto start for minecraft server on azure vm. this is the error. minecraft.service: Failed at step CHDIR spawning /usr/bin/java: Permission denied
[18:21] <kc2bez> user7: That doesn't seem like a Lubuntu support question, more like a Ubuntu Server question. You might be better asking in #ubuntu-server
[18:27] <user7> np. ty
[20:21] <iannis> HI to everyone
[20:21] <iannis> #i have some lack in firefox browser
[20:21] <iannis> m,aybe is from my computer or i need to try another browser