[00:13] <RenatoSilva> I can mark a bug as duplicate, right. But I want to mark it as superseded?
[00:13] <RenatoSilva> s/?/. How?
[00:13] <RenatoSilva> because I want to link them. The previous bug became invalid because of the problem becoming worse
[00:14] <RenatoSilva> didn't update the original bug as I think it's a new problem, and anyway it was generated by ubuntu-bug which makes it all complex
[01:08] <Noldorin_> how do i correctly use the "Affects" entries in a Launchpad bug? it strikes me as redundant
[01:09] <Noldorin_> i.e. how can it affect the project as a whole *and* a specific series?
[01:12] <ScottK> If not specified, it's assumed to be the development release.
[01:13] <ScottK> So if you want to specify it affects multiple releases, that's how you do it.
[01:26] <wgrant> Noldorin_: Most projects use series tasks only for tracking backports of fixes to released series.
[01:26] <Noldorin_> ohh
[01:26] <Noldorin_> wgrant, now that makes sense!
[01:26] <Noldorin_> ta
[01:30] <Noldorin_> wgrant, so it won't make sence to have it "affect" trunk really right?
[01:30] <wgrant> Noldorin_: Ubuntu does that, but most projects don't tend to.
[01:31] <Noldorin_> right
[01:31] <Noldorin_> wgrant, what does Ubuntu use it for?
[01:32] <wgrant> Noldorin_: Tracking release-critical bugs.
[01:33] <Noldorin_> wgrant, how does tracking in Trunk as opposed to the project (whole) make a difference though?
[01:34] <wgrant> Noldorin_: Ubuntu has a *lot* of bugs, most of which are not release-critical.
[01:34] <wgrant> Ubuntu targets to trunk (well, the development series) for bugs that are of particular interest to this series.
[01:35] <Noldorin_> wgrant, ok but if i forget about targeting to Trunk and only target to specific x.y release series i cna't go much wrong, right?
[01:35] <wgrant> Indeed.
[01:35] <Noldorin_> great.
[01:36] <Noldorin_> wgrant, last thing: i somehow managed to get a few bugs showing "Status tracked in Trunk", e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ircdotnet/+bug/521241
[01:36] <Noldorin_> not sure how i did that even...?
[01:36] <wgrant> Noldorin_: Set them to "Won't Fix" to get the main task back.
[01:38] <Noldorin_> wgrant, oh i see. how did i do it in the first place though? :-)
[01:39] <wgrant> Noldorin_: You must have clicked "Target to series", I guess.
[01:41] <Noldorin_> wgrant, oh but normally, it shows separate status/importances/etc. for each
[01:42] <wgrant> Noldorin_: Right, except for the special case of the development series.
[01:42] <wgrant> If that is targeted, the main task doesn't have a separate status/importance.
[02:16] <bobweaver> Hi there
[02:39] <Noldorin> wgrant, oh, i see, got it.
[02:40] <Noldorin> wgrant, so i could just assign standard development bugs to Trunk...but it's probably convention just to leave it as default (main project)?
[02:40] <wgrant> Noldorin: Right.
[02:40] <Noldorin> ok
[02:40] <Noldorin> wgrant, thanks very much :-)
[02:43] <DNS777> hi guys :)
[02:44] <DNS777> is some admin online who can reactive build this > https://launchpad.net/~dns/+archive/gnu/+build/2656497
[02:45] <wgrant> DNS777: It looks like you deleted and then recopied the source package?
[02:45] <DNS777> only this package is "stucked" thru i got it delete and then build again
[02:46] <wgrant> It's not possibly to retrieve that build without changing the version and uploading again.
[02:46] <DNS777> the i386 and amd again builded
[02:46] <wgrant> However: Ubuntu 9.04 has been unsupported for 9 months now, and isn't really supportd by Launchpad any more.
[02:46] <wgrant> You should probably stop building for it; we'll start rejecting uploads soon.
[02:46] <wgrant> Karmic has been unsupported for three months, and we'll start rejecting uploads to it soon as well.
[02:46] <DNS777> hm k
[04:34] <bobweaver> Is there a video that explains launchpad and all that it offers or tutorials
[04:41] <lifeless> theres a tour
[04:41] <lifeless> linked from the front page
[05:34] <Noldorin> wgrant, ah, one more thing: can i revert all the "affects" info from Trunk to the project for a certain bug>
[05:34] <Noldorin> ?
[05:51] <Noldorin> wgrant, around still?
[08:14] <benonsoftware> My karma said it has expired https://edge.launchpad.net/~benny
[08:34] <lifeless> benonsoftware: https://edge.launchpad.net/~benny/+karma looks fine to me; karma does naturally degrade and expire
[08:37] <benonsoftware> lifeless: On help.launchpad.net it said in 6 months it will be half. I have been a member on LP for about 3 months
[08:39] <benonsoftware> No its better :)
[08:40] <benonsoftware> lifeless: How do I change my location on my page?
[08:40] <lifeless> hmm?
[08:44] <benonsoftware> lifeless: Yess?
[08:45] <lifeless> benonsoftware: you've lost me
[08:45] <benonsoftware> lifeless: What do you mean?
[08:46] <lifeless> just that
[08:46] <benonsoftware> What?
[08:48] <lifeless> You've confused me.
[08:48] <lifeless> And for the win we seem to be going in circles, which is a tad boring.
[08:48] <benonsoftware> lifeless: On https://edge.launchpad.net/~benny down the bottom it stats location. How do I change it?
[08:50] <lifeless> benonsoftware: it only shows that to you
[08:50] <lifeless> benonsoftware: we used to have a maps feature, but thats been removed.
[08:51] <benonsoftware> lifeless: I can see other people locations on there pages
[08:53] <lifeless> shrug, thats odd.
[08:53] <lifeless> anyhow, its obsolete, feel free to file a bug that it shows up
[08:53] <benonsoftware> Ok
[08:53] <lifeless> as for changing it, it used to be in your personal settings somewhere
[08:53] <wgrant> The timezone information is not obsolete.
[08:54] <benonsoftware> wgrant: I do I change it then?
[08:54] <lifeless> wgrant: time zone != location
[08:54] <wgrant> https://launchpad.net/~/+editlocation
[08:55] <lifeless> wgrant: or do we conflate the two
[08:55] <wgrant> lifeless: Time zone is shown twice.
[08:55] <wgrant> Once as time zone, once as location.;
[08:55] <lifeless> -win-
[08:55] <benonsoftware> wgrant: Thanks. You just showed me 2 new tips ;0
[10:23] <bdrung> i can't mark a bug as duplicate of another. "lp-set-dup<PHONE_NUMBER>22" fails and the same via the launchpad website too
[10:54] <nigelb> oh yay!
[21:13] <Noldorin> hello. is there any way i can revert a "Trunk" affects-row into a Project affects-row for a bug?
[21:13] <Noldorin> i.e. undo the assignment to Trunkj
[21:52] <lifeless> Noldorin: you can mark it invalid
[21:54] <Noldorin> lifeless, right...
[21:54] <Noldorin> lifeless, that won't actually delete it though will it?
[21:54] <lifeless> thats correct
[21:55] <Noldorin> lifeless, oh, why isn't that feature offered?
[21:55] <Noldorin> i suppose this is alright...just a bit messy
[21:55] <Noldorin> oh well
[21:55] <lifeless> the early design of Launchpad had a 'do not delete data' mandate, largely because of the very open and inviting approach - the flip side of letting anyone participate is anyone will participate
[21:56] <lifeless> and deleting content is something hard to undo
[21:56] <lifeless> as we change things these days we are trying to provide undo knobs rather than blanket deletes of data
[21:57] <lifeless> s/rather than preventing/
[21:58] <lifeless> but we haven't gotten to bug tasks yet
[22:28] <Noldorin_> lifeless, ok sure. that sounds fair enough
[22:28] <Noldorin_> lifeless, put adding such functionaity for bug tasks is in the pipeline right?
[23:00] <jimis> Hi, is there some way to display a tree-like list of branches from the command line?
[23:01] <jimis> So I can see which one was forked from which
[23:04] <wgrant> Noldorin_: "Won't Fix" it.
[23:04] <wgrant> Noldorin_: That will reopen the main task.
[23:04] <Noldorin_> wgrant, oh, not "Invalid"?
[23:04] <wgrant> No.
[23:04] <Noldorin_> wgrant, ok sure
[23:05] <Noldorin_> wgrant, you are working on a bug task functionality...or it's in the pipeline at least? :-)
[23:05] <X3lectric> hey wagrant
[23:05] <wgrant> jimis: bzr qlog and glog can show you a revision graph of all the branches in the current directory.
[23:05] <wgrant> Noldorin_: Not really.
[23:05] <Noldorin_> wgrant, why not?
[23:06] <wgrant> Because Launchpad has *lots* of other things that need fixing.
[23:06] <Noldorin_> wgrant, but it's not even on the cards down the road?
[23:07] <wgrant> Reworking the way series tasks works may happen next year. Ubuntu wants some changes, but it's not clear what yet.
[23:08] <Noldorin_> wgrant, ok sure. thanks for explaining
[23:08] <X3lectric> wgrant: I though Lauchpad was gonna fix FTP uploads months ago it still only works with sftp
[23:09] <wgrant> X3lectric: We believe all bugs on our end are fixed.
[23:10] <wgrant> X3lectric: I would tend to suspect your Internet connection now.
[23:10] <X3lectric> say what
[23:10] <X3lectric> thers nothing wrong with my intrenet connection or networking
[23:11] <X3lectric> spelling on irc perhaps
[23:11] <wgrant> You frequently upload large files to other FTP sites?
[23:11] <X3lectric> yes sir
[23:15] <X3lectric> was anything significant changed in how FTP should be configured?
[23:15] <jimis> wgrant: I get "unknown command" for qlog
[23:15] <jimis> wgrant: is it a graphical utility?
[23:16] <X3lectric> cause my old file use to work then it stopped when ters were FTP issues with launchpad, switched to sftp and every other week try to use FTP and fails
[23:16] <jimis> I've only cmdline access to the server
[23:16] <wgrant> jimis: It is. It's in qbzr.
[23:16] <wgrant> Hmm.
[23:16] <wgrant> X3lectric: We have entirely replaced the FTP that is used, and very few people have complained since.
[23:17] <X3lectric> thats why im asking if anything config wise changed
[23:18] <X3lectric> I dont get a chance to come winge here ;P
[23:20] <lifeless> X3lectric: what are teh symptoms you see
[23:21] <X3lectric> off hand atm when I change to ftp it errors out i cant remmebr the error exactly
[23:22] <lifeless> as wgrant says, we believe it to be working.
[23:22] <lifeless> next time you have an error, open a ticket on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad - and include the entire output of the command you ran
[23:25] <X3lectric> [ppa]
[23:25] <X3lectric> fqdn = upload.launchpad.net
[23:25] <X3lectric> method = ftp
[23:25] <X3lectric> passive_ftp = 1
[23:25] <X3lectric> incoming = ~%(ppa)s/ubuntu
[23:25] <X3lectric> login = anonymous
[23:26] <X3lectric> thats by ftp dput
[23:31] <X3lectric> o I believe its was  fqdn = upload.launchpad.net
[23:31] <X3lectric> that fails
[23:32] <X3lectric> but fqdn = ppa.launchpad.net
[23:32] <X3lectric> works
[23:32] <X3lectric> stange as before it worked I just backed it up
[23:33] <X3lectric> problem solved
[23:33] <X3lectric> idk if both lines supposed to work but as long as one works


[05:40] <Takyoji> So; how would be able to be more active?
[05:40] <Takyoji> would we*
[06:01] <Obsidian1723> hmmmm?
[06:02] <Takyoji> We don't even have meetings anymore. :P
[06:03] <Obsidian1723> Well, I made a suggestion quite awhile ago, but it feel on deaf ears. I suggested the idea here at at Free Geek Twin Cities, that the two should work together.
[14:15] <kermit> i'd rudely schedule meetings at the same time and place (a coffee shop) as mn 2600
[14:16] <kermit> first friday, 6pm, java j's, warehouse district
[14:37] <kermit> they might just move their meeting, but even the most old school hackerish "i could be using gentoo" types are all grown up now and like when things just work because they're busy with other things.
[14:37] <kermit> (by just work, i mean, by using ubuntu, of course)
[22:33] <Takyoji> Woo http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/01/make-grub-themes-beautiful-look-nicer.html
[23:41] <Takyoji> Also, I'll give a cookie to whomever would be able to give me instructions on how to decrypt the file of a keyring.


[06:44] <Jonopoly> Laptop seems warmer on idle than windows
 @Jonopoly [<Jonopoly> Laptop seems warmer on idle than windows], Which lubuntu version? Also, laptop specs?
[06:51] <Jonopoly> I'm running lubuntu 19.04 (Jan 2020 Support)
[06:54] <Jonopoly> Laptop is:         Product Name: TUF Gaming FX505GM_FX505GM
[06:56] <Jonopoly> Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8750H CPU @ 2.20GHzIntel Corporation UHD Graphics 630 (Mobile)
[06:56] <Jonopoly>  NVIDIA Corporation GP106M [GeForce GTX 1060 Mobile]
[06:56] <Jonopoly> 8
[06:56] <Jonopoly> 8ram, sorry multi lines
[07:07] <tehmemzguy> ^^
 Fans speed might be low? heating is kinda wierd. Lubuntu is very lightweight. wait around, others might be able to help.
[07:10] <tehmemzguy> Lubuntu is so lightweight my VM was given 1 GB out of 4 GB of RAM, and it's so awesomely smooth.
[07:10] <tehmemzguy> It's giving me multiple orgasms, just as ricing.
[07:11] <Jonopoly>  :)
 @tehmemzguy [<tehmemzguy> It's giving me multiple orgasms, just as ricing.], I am running a vm with 2 gigs of ram out of 6 since last 2 hours, only on battery and my laptop is so compact that it doesn't have any fan but still no heating. The host is also lubuntu. It's on my lap only. NO HEATING EVEN WITHOUT FAN. HAHAHA!!
[07:23] <Jonopoly> feel like i should just go with lubuntu VM >_>
[07:24] <Jonopoly> Infact, i'll see if i can solve this heating issue
[07:24] <Jonopoly> if not i'll just go back to windows with ubuntu vm
[07:29] <Jonopoly> @The_LoudSpeaker: Are you running VM software on windows? with linux installed (on vm) if so what software you using?
 @Jonopoly [<Jonopoly> @The_LoudSpeaker: Are you running VM software on windows? with linux …], I am running a lubuntu vm under a lubuntu host system. the software used is qemu.
 @Jonopoly [<Jonopoly> if not i'll just go back to windows with ubuntu vm], Wait a bit, someone here might be able to help.
 wx: @tsimonq2 @kc2bez
 wxl:
[09:39] <chieta> if i want to recommend my friend to use full lxqt desktop environment which version should i proposed?
 Lubuntu 19.04
[09:40] <chieta> do you use the same version also aptghetto?
 I use Lubuntu only in virtual machines. Currently I am writing from the development version 19.10
[09:42] <chieta> im using windows 10 for daily use without development look good
[09:42] <chieta> 4gig ram is not enough for windows 10
[09:42] <chieta> im using wsl on it
[09:45] <chieta> how to upgrade from 19.04 to 19.10 aptghetto?
 Either wait some months and do a release upgrade with `sudo do-release-upgrade` or replace 'disco'  with 'eoan' in /etc/apt/sources.list which might break your installation, because it is not tested
 You can also download the daily iso and install 19.10
 But 19.10 is still in development, so I recommend it only to advanced/experienced users
[09:49] <chieta> note, if i also install 19.04 ... will it be seamless migrate to 20.04?
[09:51] <chieta> i used to use the LTS version due to stability but the guy on this channel not recommend me to use 18.04 because i want to use lxqt one
 If you have 19.04, then you have to upgrade to 19.10 and then to 20.04. If you don't add PPAs, it will very likely succeed
[09:51] <chieta> noted
[09:52] <chieta> preparing to install see you soon from the 19.04 aptghetto
[09:52] <chieta> cheers
[10:00] <chieta> windows 10 https://snag.gy/aVbhHm.jpg using chrome only
[10:00] <chieta> #benchmark
[10:20] <hauk23> Hi, I am trying to upgrade 18.04 to the hwe stack via "sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-18.04 xserver-xorg-hwe-18.04" but it wants to remove lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-gtk-core and lubuntu-gtk-desktop. What is the right way to proceed? Paste: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zjZc9XyrwR/
 @Maria Andrea [Will itu enCrypt all disk?], If it's a clean install without other os then it will encrypt whole disk.
[10:44] <hauk23> Well, I should be able to keep these meta packages. The package dependencies are updated in bionic-updates but apparently it takes the meta package from bionic.
 @Maria Andrea [I have other...  So itu will be applied on sda5 only?], Ummm. I haven't played along with encryption much. But afaik, full disk is only encrypted when you install only lubuntu on whole disk. If you want to install alongside other OS, it won't encrypt. Infact, when you select 'Install lubuntu alongside..' it
 @Maria Andrea [With this feature...  Should i insert the password to deCrypt the disk after boo …], If you encrypt the disk, it will ask you the password at every boot.
 Wait for sometime. Since I haven't used encryption, I won't say anything.
 @aptghetto @tsimonq2 @HMollerCl anyone here? ^
 @Maria Andrea [Have you tried the New installer...  Here there are replace a partition menu], Idk. Is it in 19.04? I have two 19.04 vms Installed. I didn't notice. I have always done a full disk Install. Even on hardware, I had clean wiped an earlier lubuntu install.
[11:21] <hauk23> For the record: just letting Lubuntu remove the packages and reinstalling them worked fine.
 @hauk23 [<hauk23> For the record: just letting Lubuntu remove the packages and reinstalli …], Great!
 @The_LoudSpeaker [@aptghetto @tsimonq2 @HMollerCl anyone here? ^], Haven't used encryption either, maybe @kc2bez can help
[13:26] <sappheiros> lubot's use here -- does it imply HMollerCl is using a cellphone to chat on IRC?
[13:27] <apt-ghetto> Telegram is bridged to this channel and vice versa
[13:30] <sappheiros> isn't that a cellphone app? is it also a desktop one?
[13:31] <guiverc> sappheiros, telegram can be used on desktops too
[13:31] <apt-ghetto> You must have a phone number to use Telegram, but there is also a desktop app
[13:31] <apt-ghetto> And you can add bots, such like lubot
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Fans speed might be low? heating is kinda wierd. Lubuntu is very lightweight. wa …], I haven't seen a heating issue on any of the hardware installs I have done. You could take a peek at htop or qps to see if something is hogging resources. There is also a sensors widget you can add to the panel to keep an eye on t
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Ummm. I haven't played along with encryption much. But afaik, full disk is only …], The way the installer works you would need to go this way unless you manually set up your partitioning scheme. I am not sure if I know of a guide to walk you through that process.
 @kc2bez [The way the installer works you would need to go this way unless you manually se …], How about writing one? I could help. Our manual should have it.
 I have to run through it a bit first but even a forum thread could be a thing.
 Yup! Meanwhile I will create a couple vms with different configs like one with windows and lubuntu dual boot, one with encryption, one with both dual boot and encryption, etc. And note how the installer works in each case. It would also be useful for future testing  but might take some time tho.
[19:04] <Jonopoly> Anyone know how i cana find out why my laptop is running hotter idle
[19:04] <Jonopoly> with lubuntu 19.04 than windows 10
[19:04] <wxl> how are you sure it's running hotter?
[19:05] <Jonopoly> Because i can feel warmth on laptop Around enter Key
[19:05] <wxl> but you actually haven't measured the temperature of the cpu. knowing the difference would be helpful
[19:06] <Jonopoly> if i run sensors i'm getting 61c on idle
[19:06] <Jonopoly> well, just with firefox running
[19:06] <Jonopoly> pch_cannonlake-virtual-0Adapter: Virtual devicetemp1:        +61.0°C
[19:08] <wxl> virtual device? you running a vm?
[19:11] <Jonopoly> Dual booting atm
[19:12] <wxl> why is it a virtual adapter? that's strange
[19:12] <diogenes_> Jonopoly, you could run: sudo powertop and use tab key to go to he device stats and see which one has 100%.
[19:13] <Jonopoly> diogenes_: Okay will do
[19:15] <Jonopoly> there are quite a few.. 100%s
[19:17] <diogenes_> look for something unusual like usb camera or some device that you are not using but it still uses 100%
[19:17] <Jonopoly> https://pastebin.com/pp71Tdzz
[19:20] <diogenes_> oh there is a lot of them.
[19:21] <Jonopoly> yeah.. feels quite strange
[19:21] <diogenes_> pastebin the output of: inxi -F
[19:22] <Jonopoly> just installing
[19:23] <Jonopoly> diogenes_ https://pastebin.com/3MUThgEU
[19:26] <diogenes_> Jonopoly, and the output of: glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
[19:26] <diogenes_> paste here in the chat because it's one line.
[19:27] <Jonopoly> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GTX 1060/PCIe/SSE2
[19:28] <diogenes_> Jonopoly, that's the problem.
[19:28] <Jonopoly> ??
[19:29] <diogenes_> you've got an optimus machine which is designed to run intel gpu (which is power efficient) for basic stuff and only use nvidia with heavy 3d demanding stuff.
[19:29] <diogenes_> but you switch to nvidia full time and it's heating the motherboard.
[19:30] <Jonopoly> Ah okay that's kinda cool
[19:30] <Jonopoly> so its basically only using nvidia gpu when needed? so like games etc..
[19:31] <diogenes_> because on windows when you install nvidia drivers, your nvidia gou is sleeping and autoswitching when needed.
[19:31] <diogenes_> on linux it's a different story.
[19:31] <diogenes_> you need to switch it manually when needed.
[19:31] <diogenes_> but with PRIME you can switch it full time and that's no good.
[19:32] <Jonopoly> diogenes_: Thanks, is it possible to fix?
[19:33] <diogenes_> Jonopoly, for testing purpose open your nvidia settings, go to prime, switch to intel integrated, reboot and check the temp.
[19:33] <diogenes_> see if you get a lower at idle.
[19:34] <Jonopoly> diogenes_: Okay gotta logout and relogin to check - one moment
[19:35] <Jonopoly> 54 atm.. which is lower than usual
[19:42] <Jonopoly> It's 52c atm
[19:42] <Jonopoly> which is nice
[19:42] <Jonopoly> woah now it's 50.0c
[19:43] <diogenes_> Jonopoly, yeah that was the issue.
[19:43] <Jonopoly> diogenes_: Thank you, I guess i can just keep it in powersave mode as i won't be gaming on this
[19:44] <diogenes_> Jonopoly, you've got 3 choices:
[19:44] <diogenes_> 1) leave it like that and switch to nvidia when you really have to (gaming, encoding< video editing etc.)
[19:45] <diogenes_> 2) use bumblbee and switch to nvidia card with optirun <application name> command
[19:45] <diogenes_> 3) uninstall nvidia and try with the native nouveau driver.
[19:46] <Jonopoly> hmm I think 1 is safest to do
[19:46] <Jonopoly> I only use my Linux OS for dev
[19:47] <Jonopoly> Java, Mobile and Python so don't really need to be running performance mode
[19:47] <diogenes_> then you're good to leave it as is.
[19:48] <Jonopoly> it is safe to leave it right?
[19:49] <diogenes_> yes
[22:51] <jr> boa noite.
[23:09] <chieta> hello from 19.04
[23:09] <chieta> is there any lxqt alt for xbacklight command
[23:10] <chieta> i want to set the specific brightness after booting
[23:11] <sappheiros> apparently falkon is kde ... is firefox the recommended browser for lubuntu 18.10?
[23:11] <sappheiros> is kde a competitor of lxqt?
[23:15] <chieta> is there any kde agenda here?
[23:28] <sappheiros> what do you mean?
 afaik not only kde supported chieta
 @sappheiros [<sappheiros> apparently falkon is kde ... is firefox the recommended browser for …], i wish the FF will be the first candidate always
[23:39] <sappheiros> lubot: shiboncip why? falkon seems faster than firefox for lubuntu 18.10, although it seems now to be crashing more ...
[23:52] <sappheiros> ugh, 31 minutes to upgrade 19 packages due to a 1 Mbps Internet :(


[02:04] <h3sp4wn> Using ubuntu after opensolaris is not as nice fonts wise - I wonder if they can be packaged now for ubuntgu
[02:10] <DanaG> I use subpixel hinting in Gnome.
[02:10] <DanaG> It looks really nice to me.
[02:11] <RAOF> Yeah.
[02:11] <RAOF> Oh, except s/hinting// :)
[02:11] <RAOF> For some reason Sid doesn't look quite as nice.
[02:13] <DanaG> I have whatever the default fonts.conf specifies, and then I've set "Subpixel Smoothing (LCD)" in Gnome.
[02:15] <h3sp4wn> DanaG: I mean type1 fonts
[02:15] <DanaG> Aah.
[02:16] <h3sp4wn> The best font rendering from freetype I ever had was with the gentoo xeffects overlay dunno whether those patches were ever merged though
[02:17] <DanaG> I think I best liked Feisty set to subpixel smoothing, but Gutsy did something to get rid of the "legacy" LCD filter.
[02:17] <DanaG> Whatever it currently is, still looks nice to me.
[08:47]  * zniavr1 viend de suivre une doc sans la comprendre et en n'est pas fier
[08:47] <zniavr1> sorry wrong channel
[10:17] <melch> Hey guys. I hope you're having a good day or night.. My ethernet card is not recognized. It comes up in lspci as Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/9/0/1 Ethernet Pro 100 (rev 05)
[13:11] <yang_> 谁有空能照顾下我这刚来的
[13:15] <TheInfinity> yang_: i understood everything :p
[18:41] <Luhta> #ubuntu doesn't happen to know so I stepped up a level I hope you don't mind a slightly offtopic question, is it possible to resize a flash partition that I have booted off of (with hardy) with qparted
[19:00] <Luhta> brb rebooting
[19:37] <Luhta> is it possible to unmount a 8.04 live cd (on a flash drive) after it's booted? I need to repartition the flash drive
[20:04] <jacob>  /topic: "Only developers comfortable with significant instability and recovering from up to, and including, total system failure should consider running Intrepid for now" <-- oops?


[01:17] <mup> PR snapcraft#3391 closed: plugins v2: port the qmake plugin <Created by jhenstridge> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3391>


[01:40] <CIA-48> [qapt] Jonathan Thomas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (4 files) New upstream alpha release
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> (just syncing bzr with the archive)
[02:27]  * ScottK waves to JontheEchidna.
[02:27] <JontheEchidna> o/
[02:49] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: How is backports NotAutomatic looking for Muon this cycle?
[02:49] <ScottK> It looks like it's kind of getting to be a big deal.
[02:51] <JontheEchidna> oh?
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> At any rate, it should just be a matter of sticking an extra update category into the new updater, showing updates in -backports
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/emKYZ.png
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> That's exactly what the Security Updates section is, in fact
[02:56] <ScottK> IIRC we discussed it at the last UDS I was at and you said next time ...
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> yeah. It should be a 10 minute job now
[02:58] <ScottK> Cool.
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> I'm off from everything (school, work) next week. I'll probably do it then
[03:02] <ScottK> Great.
[08:46] <bambee> ScottK: hi, the splashscreen written in QML is not installed by default with kde 4.7.90 ?
[10:07] <jussi> so, I have, for a limited time, an N950 :D
[11:44] <debfx> libkatepartinterfaces4 broke its API. can we just merge the package into katepart?
[11:45] <debfx> the only rdeps are katepart and kate-dev and there don't seem to be any public header files for katepartinterfaces.
[11:47] <ScottK> bambee: Dunno. Maybe Riddell does.  I've been focusing on 4.7.
[11:48] <bambee> mhhh ok, apparently "ksplashqml" is present in kde-workspace-bin.install but not installed... I will fix it
[12:23] <Riddell> bambee: how can it be present in a .install file but not installed?
[12:23] <Riddell> it is installed on my computer
[12:24] <Riddell> debfx: hmm did I miss an ABI change?
[12:27] <debfx> Riddell: it doesn't have any public header files so I've just removed the .so symlink from kate-dev
[12:28] <debfx> we should just kill kate-dev until we have at least one package that uses it
[12:28] <Riddell> yeah
[12:43] <bambee> Riddell: I've no ideas, actually "egrep ksplashqml *.install" displays "kde-workspace-bin.install:usr/bin/ksplashqml"  --> however "dpkg -L kde-workspace-bin | grep ksplashqml" is empty   :\
[12:45] <bambee> and ksplashthememgr only shows me ksplashx and ksplash_simple...
[12:50] <bambee> well... problem solved xD
[12:52] <bambee> in fact, I've an half kde-4.7.90 and my local version of kde-workspace-bin is 4.7.3 o.O
[12:52] <bambee> that makes sense now...
[13:14] <Riddell> bambee: dist-upgrade :)
[13:14] <bambee> already done ;)
[13:45] <debfx> Riddell: lintian says libkwineffects1abi2-gles: empty-binary-package
[14:06] <Riddell> debfx: hmm
[14:08] <Riddell> it's ment to be
[14:09] <Riddell> but the description should change then
[14:10] <debfx> why not just remove it?
[14:14] <ScottK> debfx: Would you mind takin a look at the armel build failure for kiten?
[14:16] <debfx> can do
[14:16] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:17] <debfx> retry should fix it
[14:20] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks for looking.
[14:20] <ScottK> Any interest in kdeplasma-addons?  There's an actual bug in the code there.
[14:21] <ScottK> Between that and if agateau would make an appearance we should be "there".
[14:28] <ryanakca> Could someone with the required superpowers please confirm bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bangarang/+bug/907782
[14:32] <ScottK> I'll look at it.
[14:33] <Riddell> ryanakca: done
[14:33] <ryanakca> ScottK: Thanks
[14:33] <ScottK> Nevermind.
[14:33] <ScottK> Riddell is faster.
[14:33] <ryanakca> Riddell: Thanks
[14:34] <debfx> syncpackage can now properly handle attribution
[14:35] <Riddell> ScottK: I think agateau must be away until next year, we'll need to fix gwenview ourselves
[14:35] <ScottK> Lovely.
[14:36] <Riddell> hmm I've given amarok 2:2.5.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1 in backports ppa
[14:37] <Riddell> maybe I'm just getting used to ~precise backports which will need ~ppa before it :)
[14:40] <ScottK> Hmmmm.
[14:41] <ScottK> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/88036532/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-armel.kturtle_4%3A4.7.90-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz has the same 'error' as gwenview, but no failure.
[14:43] <Riddell> anyone tested amarok in oneiric?
[14:45] <Riddell> ScottK: which error?
[14:45] <ScottK> /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qmap.h:180:83: warning: cast from 'char*' to 'QMap<QString, QString>::Node* {aka QMapNode<QString, QString>*}' increases required alignment of target type [-Wcast-align]
[14:46] <debfx> ScottK: "error: no matching function for call to 'qMax(qreal, double)'" etc. are the real errors in gwenview
[14:46] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks.
[14:46] <ScottK> That I can probably fix.
[14:47] <ScottK> parallel build logs are hard.
[14:47] <Riddell> we need to change gcc to make something grep-able when it errors, "error" is far too common in build logs
[14:48] <ScottK> Yeah.
[14:48] <ScottK> That would help a lot.
[14:49] <Riddell> -printf("error") +printf("I'm being fussy") that's my patch :)
[14:54] <ScottK> For which?
[14:54] <ScottK> Oh, for gcc?
[14:56] <who_me> what should one do to test amarok 2.5 ? :)
[14:59] <Riddell> who_me: sudo apt-add-ppa ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[14:59] <Riddell> sudo apt-get install amarok
[14:59] <Riddell> quit old, run it, check it does everything
[15:00] <who_me> apt-add-repository (me being cheeky :P )
[15:03] <who_me> hmm the way it handles streams is still broken if those happen to be in the playlist :/
[15:06] <Riddell> doesn't sound like a regression thought
[15:06] <Riddell> tohugh
[15:06] <Riddell> gur
[15:06] <who_me> nope
[15:07] <Riddell> who_me: all good otherwise?
[15:08] <who_me> going to download some music off my externall hdd to see how it handels those
[15:08] <who_me> I really need a typo assist :)
[15:09] <Riddell> mm, me too
[15:10]  * ScottK stares at the gwenview testbuild slowly unfolding on the arm box.
[15:14] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-and-kde-applications-beta-testing
[15:15] <who_me> hmm built lists just fine, it seems ok
[15:15] <who_me> can't test the amazon shop because I'm do not live in any of the listed countries
[15:15] <ScottK> Fortunately 4.7.95 is released now so you don't have to worry about runing out of things to do.
[15:16] <Riddell> https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-25-backports-ppa
[15:16] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/news/amarok-25-backports-ppa
[15:16] <Riddell> ScottK: released too, they don't give packagers much time with that
[15:17] <ScottK> Agreed.
[15:17] <ScottK> There's a new tarball for ksecretservice too.
[15:17] <Riddell> I think it's part of what was kdeutils now
[15:18] <Riddell> don't know how it manages any kwallet upgrade
[15:18] <ScottK> I didn't look at the tarballs, but I thought from Dirk's mails on packager is was separate.
[15:18] <Riddell> or how it interacts with gnome which is the whole point
[15:18] <ScottK> It's also my impression that it doesn't yet do anything by default.
[15:18] <ScottK> (or perhaps at all - seems there are still some missing bits)
[15:19] <Riddell> kdelibs doesn't load it as I read those e-mails
[15:21] <ScottK> Yeah.
[15:23] <who_me> hmm will start beta testing 4.8 after the holidays...
[15:52] <Riddell> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/MP3:Kubuntu needs some tidying up too but I don't think I have the energy alas
[16:11] <ScottK> Gwenview fix uploaded.
[16:19] <Riddell> thanks ScottK
[16:44] <ScottK> Riddell (or anyone else with KDE git access): Would you please commit http://paste.debian.net/149953/ to gwenview trunk and 4.8 branch?
[16:56] <Riddell> hmm, I wonder if I can remember how
[16:58] <ScottK> debfx: Did you get a chance to dig into kdeplasma-addons?  AFAICT that's the last bit that needs fixing to get 4.7.90 complete.
[17:00] <yofel> Riddell: as I understood it you can use ksecretservice if you build kdelibs, then kss, then rebuild kdelibs with kss
[17:02] <Riddell> that seems circular
[17:02] <ScottK> It is.
[17:03] <ScottK> Aaron even mentioned on some mail list post he thought that was bad.
[17:03] <Riddell> nice the thought should occur to him :)
[17:03] <yofel> and dirk wondered if it can be included in experimental instead - although we don't seem to have an answer for that yet
[17:09] <ScottK> ftpubuntu@ftpmaster:~/unstable/4.7.95/src/ksecrets-4.7.95.tar.bz2  suggests we do have an answer, at least for now.
[17:10] <Riddell> ScottK: is that the libs bit or the kdeutils bit?
[17:10] <ScottK> Not sure.
[17:10] <yofel> shouldn't it be both?
[17:20] <who_me> guys, seeing that kde just released an RC is there much point in loading the beta2 packages in the ppa? There is a high chance that some of the bugs we run into have already been reported and being worked on...
[17:20] <who_me> or *most* of the bugs in beta 2
[17:21] <Riddell> that's quite likely yes
[17:34] <ScottK> OTOH, it'd be nice to know our packaging works.
[17:37] <who_me> ok then, I shall see if  kde comes up after the upgrade :D
[17:51] <who_me> so far, so good :)
[18:17] <debfx> ScottK: will have a look now
[18:17] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks.
[18:36] <ScottK> So, I guess next release we get to decide between Canonical's Ubuntu font or KDE's Oxygen font.  Fun.  http://code.newtypography.co.uk/?p=1906
[18:42] <maco> i like the descenders, but the y is really unbalanced
[18:45] <u2san> seems to me precise kubuntu testing is closed to general users?
[18:45] <yofel> u2san: no, what's the problem?
[18:46] <u2san> well.. why waste time on 4.7.90 when 4.7.95 is out?
[18:46] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm, without testing the oxygen one I suspect the ubuntu one will be higher quality and more distinctive
[18:47] <Riddell> u2san: to test our packaging
[18:48] <ScottK> Riddell: Perhaps.  In line with the Kubuntu general values, I'd think we should use the upstream one unless it turns out the Ubuntu one is significantly better.  We'll see.
[18:50] <Riddell> ScottK: yes but I suspect on most issues the ubuntu one will be better.  I've an open mind on it but the Ubuntu one has had a lot of time spent on it and I don't see how the Oxygen one could compete
[18:51] <ScottK> I'm happy to wait and see the result.
[18:52] <u2san> Riddell, yofel ok..
[18:52] <Riddell> I wonder if they realise how hard work it is to make a good font.  maybe they do
[18:52] <ScottK> He didn't make any announcements about when it would be released, so maybe he does.
[18:54] <who_me> is there any oxygen-gtk3 theming package that needs testing ? :)
[19:01] <debfx> ScottK: can't test plasma-addons because workspace hasn't been built on armel yet
[19:01] <ScottK> Good point.
[19:01] <ScottK> I guess we're ready then ...
[19:10] <Riddell> ryanakca: did you reply to the Kubuntu Website Appearance thread?
[19:11] <Riddell> oh yes, now I see it
[19:33] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yep ;)
[19:33] <ryanakca> Riddell: Feel free to expand if I missed anything.
[20:50] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[20:50] <_Groo_> is the ksecretservice available in the ppa builds?
[20:51] <_Groo_> for kde 4.7.90?
[20:51] <yofel> nope, there was no tar until 4.7.95
[20:52] <_Groo_> ahhh right
[20:52] <_Groo_> rc1 was released today :D
[20:52] <_Groo_> i was confusing it for 4.7.90 ^^
[20:52] <_Groo_> ok, that explains it :D
[20:53] <yofel> like half of the world I guess...
[20:53] <_Groo_> whos the poor shmuck whos doing 4.7.95 packages?
[20:53] <ScottK> AFAIK Riddell.
[20:53] <_Groo_> cookies to Riddell
[20:54] <_Groo_> i might be able to help this weekend if hes not finished by then
[20:54] <_Groo_> 4.8 is amazing, everything is quite solid
[20:55] <ScottK> Sounds like time for a complete refactor then.
[20:55] <ScottK> Fortunately KDE is doing that.
[20:57] <_Groo_> ScottK: what do you mean?
[20:57] <ScottK> Now that it's all working nice they decided to go redo kdelibs and stuff.
[20:58] <_Groo_> ScottK: thats the open source way :D if its not broken remake it :D
[20:58] <yofel> ...
[20:58] <yofel> worst thing is that I have no argument against that -.-
[20:59] <_Groo_> brb
[20:59] <ScottK> And do stuff like not allow features into kdelibs for 4.8 so stuff people want to get in can't, excpet for some stuff (ksecretservice) which somehow gets thrown into kdelibs for 4.7 after 4.7 is released.
[21:00] <yofel> yeah, which I would argue happened because the core kdelibs devs stopped paying attention to k-c-d after they got their own ML
[21:01] <ScottK> Yep
[21:04] <schnelle_> guys is this bug fixed or not: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275469 ?
[21:04] <schnelle_> I think it will be very bad if this bug end up in next LTS
[21:05] <schnelle_> Aaron marked it as fixed, but users (including me) still experience this bug
[21:06] <who_me> then it might not be fixed
[21:06] <yofel> well, I wasn't exacly seeing it in 4.7, but in 4.7.90 I have an empty systray space right now, and 2 apps overlapping each other...
[21:08] <ScottK> schnelle_: It's an issue to take up with upstream as they're the ones that will have to fix it (myself, I've never seen this problem)
[21:08] <yofel> which I think I have since... 4.6?
[21:08] <schnelle_> bug is present since 4.7
[21:09] <who_me> does it happen when you have many apps open, I have just a few and I've yet to see it
[21:09] <ScottK> Not here.
[21:09] <who_me> ?
[21:12] <schnelle_> it happens at random. sometimes when only one app is open, and when i close it, task item of that app stays in taskbar
[22:01] <_Groo_> guys
[22:01] <_Groo_> is this ok?
[22:01] <_Groo_> http://www.wired.com/underwire/2011/12/prometheus-trailer/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Findex+%28Wired%3A+Index+3+%28Top+Stories+2%29%29
[22:01] <_Groo_> ops sorry
[22:01] <_Groo_> [ 1441.973188] type=1400 audit(1324574676.731:37): apparmor="DENIED" operation="file_perm" info="Failed name lookup - disconnected path" error=-116 parent=3109 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld-akonadi///usr/sbin/mysqld" name=".local/share/akonadi/db_data/mysql.err" pid=9586 comm="mysqld" requested_mask="w" denied_mask="w" fsuid=1000 ouid=1000
[22:01] <_Groo_> wrong paste :D
[22:01] <_Groo_> aparently with 4.7.90, apparmor is denying some acess to akonadi
[22:04] <ScottK> _Groo_: Could you ask jdstrand in #ubuntu-hardened?
[22:04] <_Groo_> sure
[22:06] <yofel> no apparmor denied messages here with 4.7.90
[22:06] <_Groo_> is this correct also?
[22:07] <_Groo_> "/usr/bin/akonadi_nepomuk_feeder: error while loading shared libraries: libnepomukdatamanagement-copy.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[22:07] <_Groo_> yofel: are you using kmail ?
[22:07] <yofel> usually not, but just started it, still no errors
[22:08] <_Groo_> it might not be triggered always
[22:08] <yofel> hm, odd, that lib isn't installed here either
[22:08] <_Groo_> also, can you run akonactl and start the server from the commandline? can you see the error above about nepomuk not finding a .so?
[22:08] <yofel> actually it's only occurence is:
[22:08] <yofel> project-neon-kdepim-runtime: /opt/project-neon/lib/libnepomukdatamanagement-copy.so
[22:09] <_Groo_> ProcessControl: Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_nepomuk_feeder' returned with exit code 127 (Unknown error)
[22:09] <_Groo_> "/usr/bin/akonadi_nepomuk_feeder" crashed too often and will not be restarted!
[22:09] <_Groo_> so, nepomulk feeder is not working correctly because it cant find the .so
[22:10]  * yofel goes rebuilding kdepim-runtime to get list-missing
[22:11] <_Groo_> why am i the only one finding this kinda bugs? ;)
[22:12] <adrian_berg> Can you tinker with the kernel and still use official kubuntu releases?
[22:12] <adrian_berg> Are there programs for measuring the boot time of your machine?
[22:12] <_Groo_> adrian_berg: yes and yes
[22:12] <yofel> for boot logging there's bootchart
[22:12] <adrian_berg> I figure you can at the very least modify kernel modules which are probed for at startup by removing them from, er, wherever the list is located...
[22:12] <adrian_berg> bootchart, okay
[22:12] <adrian_berg> This machine is considerably faster than my older machines, but it boots slower!
[22:12] <adrian_berg> Specs: 4gb ram, 2 dual core 2ghz processors.
[22:13] <adrian_berg> _Groo_: I thought that by modifying the kernel you wouldn't be able to use future releases
[22:13] <_Groo_> adrian_berg: sometimes is the HD to blame, or filesystem, or whatever... booting is a holistic science :P
[22:13] <adrian_berg> Interesting, guess I need to get to work them
[22:13] <yofel> btw. this isn't a support channel
[22:13] <adrian_berg> Oh, right!
[22:14] <_Groo_> adrian_berg: you can have how many kernels you like, as long as you add them to grub... so you boot to whatever you want
[22:14] <yofel> adrian_berg: but see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile for building kernels the ubuntu way
[22:14] <adrian_berg> Sorry, I just asked in ubuntu-devel because I could actually get a response, I forgot that #kubuntu actually is helpful
[22:14] <adrian_berg> Thanks to both of you!
[22:14] <_Groo_> np :) good luck :D
[22:15] <_Groo_> but relaxc about booting.. if you dont do it constantly, its hardly worth it...
[22:15] <_Groo_> but its a good hobby :D
[22:15] <_Groo_> look mom, less then 2 secs!... tthats nice dear...
[22:15] <yofel> WTF, now kdepim-runtime doesn't even build o.O?
[22:15] <_Groo_> yofel: ohoh oO
[22:16] <yofel> `.text._ZN7Akonadi30SingleFileResourceConfigDialogIN24Akonadi_Aknotes_Resource8SettingsEED2Ev' referenced in section `.text._ZN7Akonadi30SingleFileResourceConfigDialogIN24Akonadi_Aknotes_Resource8SettingsEED1Ev[Akonadi::SingleFileResourceConfigDialog<Akonadi_Aknotes_Resource::Settings>::~SingleFileResourceConfigDialog()]' of CMakeFiles/akonadi_notes_resource.dir/__/shared/icalresource.o: defined in discarded section `.text.
[22:16] <yofel> _ZN7Akonadi30SingleFileResourceConfigDialogIN24Akonadi_Aknotes_Resource8SettingsEED2Ev[_ZN7Akonadi30SingleFileResourceConfigDialogIN24Akonadi_Aknotes_Resource8SettingsEED5Ev]' of CMakeFiles/akonadi_notes_resource.dir/__/shared/icalresource.o
[22:16] <yofel> and ld fails
[22:16] <_Groo_> do you use ccache?
[22:16] <yofel> hm, yeah, pbuilder uses ccache
[22:16]  * yofel purges
[22:17] <_Groo_> might be a corrupted ccache cache (look what i did there?) :D i got those in the past
[22:18] <_Groo_> btw.. i didnt  noticed, phonon needs to be updated for 4.8? i didnt check
[22:18] <yofel> dunno, did they release something?
[22:19] <_Groo_> dont think so
[22:19]  * _Groo_ invokes might apachelogger
[22:19] <_Groo_> mighty*
[22:20] <_Groo_> apachelogger: poke
[22:20] <apachelogger> wut?
[22:20] <_Groo_> hes here, quick, draw the pentagram and light the candles
[22:20]  * apachelogger throws a fire ball
[22:20] <_Groo_> apachelogger: oh mighty apachelogger, ruler of the underground
[22:21] <_Groo_> apachelogger: is phonon updated for 4.7.90 or it works with old packages?
[22:21] <ybit> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/37399/kubuntu
[22:21] <ybit> Trying to get a QA site started for Kubuntu
[22:21] <apachelogger> I have no idea what you mean?
[22:21] <yofel> apachelogger: does 4.8 need any phonon updates?
[22:22] <ybit> kubuntuforums is nice, but I think more people prefer this style
[22:22] <_Groo_> apachelogger: phonon released in oneiric, works fine with 4.7.90? i believe it does i just want to make sure
[22:22] <apachelogger> yofel: no
[22:22] <yofel> good, that's all he wanted to konw
[22:23]  * _Groo_ does the ritual to send apachelogger to the depths of hell where he belongs
[22:23] <_Groo_> where did i put my ritual knife...
[22:24] <_Groo_> yofel: is the linking working now?
[22:24] <yofel> no
[22:24]  * yofel throws ccache and icecc out
[22:25] <_Groo_> huuu might be a .git dirty file too
[22:25] <_Groo_> i mean a cmake dirty cache
[22:25] <_Groo_> not git :P
[22:25] <_Groo_> aparently its trying to link with a older compilation
[22:25] <yofel> we're talking pbuilder and dpkg-buildpacke here
[22:26] <_Groo_> ah ok.. he remakes everything :D
[22:26] <_Groo_> but stranger things have happened ^^
[22:26] <_Groo_> cant wait for prometheus next yeat
[22:26] <_Groo_> year
[22:26] <yofel> please not, precise is already strange enough
[22:27] <_Groo_> :D
[22:30] <yofel> and it still fails...
[22:30] <yofel> now who messed the linker up o.O?
[22:30] <apachelogger> what is a linker?
[22:30] <apachelogger> can I has OBS?
[22:31] <_Groo_> apachelogger: linker is a link who just got is professional status
[22:33] <_Groo_> apachelogger: it WAS a nice joke :P
[22:34] <apachelogger> linker is a joke? :O
[22:34] <_Groo_> apachelogger: a bad one for yofel at least :D
[22:34]  * apachelogger is confused by _Groo_ as usual
[22:34] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ahah :D
[22:35] <_Groo_> hes trying to compile kdepim-runtime, cause a awesome tester found out that 4.7.90 packages are missing /libnepomukdatamanagement-copy.so
[22:35] <_Groo_> and hes getting linker errors
[22:35] <_Groo_> [22-12-2011 20:16] <yofel> `.text._ZN7Akonadi30SingleFileResourceConfigDialogIN24Akonadi_Aknotes_Resource8SettingsEED2Ev' referenced in section `.text._ZN7Akonadi30SingleFileResourceConfigDialogIN24Akonadi_Aknotes_Resource8SettingsEED1Ev[Akonadi::SingleFileResourceConfigDialog<Akonadi_Aknotes_Resource::Settings>::~SingleFileResourceConfigDialog()]' of CMakeFiles/akonadi_notes_resource.dir/__/shared/icalresource.o: defined in discarded section `.text.
[22:40] <_Groo_> yofel: is it linking yet? ;)
[22:40] <yofel> nope
[22:41] <_Groo_> can you try a diferent machine? vm? whatever
[22:46] <yofel> well, now trying without a chroot
[22:47] <_Groo_> gotta go, seeya all tomorrow :D
[22:51] <yofel> great, now it builds - *sigh*
[23:29] <Quintasan> BLOODY HELL
[23:29] <Quintasan> yofel: was your core broken or something?
[23:29] <yofel> not that I noticed... ?
[23:30] <Quintasan> Couldn't connect for last three days
[23:30] <Quintasan> Maybe the windows crap is broken or something
[23:30] <yofel> although I once messed up the port forwarding, but I fixed that like half an hour later
[23:30] <Quintasan> apachelogger: no maliit yet, are you willing to review framework?
[23:31] <yofel> oh fun, kdepim-runtime list-missing:
[23:31] <apachelogger> Quintasan: drop me a mail
[23:31] <yofel> -./usr/lib/libnepomukdatamanagement-copy.so
[23:31] <yofel> -./usr/lib/libnepomukfeederpluginlib.a
[23:31] <apachelogger> and a bug or something
[23:32] <yofel> this is what happens if you stuff things from kdelibs into -runtime I guess -.-
[23:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~quintasan/+junk/maliit-framework
[23:33] <Quintasan> no bug yet
[23:33] <yofel> hm, no, that's from kde-runtime
[23:36] <apachelogger> Quintasan: mail plz
[23:36]  * apachelogger will not remember it otherwise
[23:36] <Quintasan> k
[23:42] <Quintasan> apachelogger: sent
[23:50] <Quintasan> yofel: is precise precisely useable?
[23:50] <rbelem> Quintasan, \o/
[23:51] <apachelogger> stop with the puns already :P
[23:51] <yofel> here yes, only problems I have: wireless N doesn't work, and kmix crashes all the time (although I fixed latter by copying the newer binary from neon)
[23:51] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Not gonna happen
[23:51] <Quintasan> rbelem: \o
[23:51] <rbelem> Quintasan, i'm running it on my laptop for one week
[23:51] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Isn't that *precisely* why we like our LTS name?

[23:52] <apachelogger> is it LTS yet?
[23:52] <Quintasan> okay, I'll go to bed and work on telepathy tomorrow
[23:52] <ScottK> apachelogger: Not official.
[23:52] <apachelogger> all my fault :(
[23:52] <ScottK> Need tech board to approve the application.
[23:53] <Quintasan> then I will do research on forced GPT hoping to get kubantooz on Asus
[23:53] <yofel> did we decide on a browser yet?
[23:53] <ScottK> I think none of the above is winning.
[23:53] <yofel> :[
[23:53] <apachelogger> ScottK: oh TB approval
[23:53] <apachelogger> how awesome :S
[23:54] <apachelogger> isn't the TB an ubuntu governing board whereas LTS is canonical stuff?
[23:54] <ScottK> Sort of
[23:54] <apachelogger> fun
[23:56] <ScottK> I think the slightly more precise answer is that it's a Canonical thing in many respects, but Canonical asked the TB to make a determination on its behalf.
[23:56] <ScottK> pun was not intended at first, but I left it after I noticed it.
[23:57] <apachelogger> :D
[23:57] <apachelogger> ScottK: that communicates an unfortunate message IMHO
[23:57] <apachelogger> though maybe I am getting paranoid now
[23:57] <ScottK> It's meant to open LTS status up to Universe flavors.
[23:58] <ScottK> I think it does carry some additional risk for us, but I don't think it was intended.
[23:58] <apachelogger> eitherway there is some weirdness about doing it


[05:22] <XVampireX> Hello Mr Anderson, I'll be your guide for today ;)
[05:23] <XVampireX> Is there an Israeli LoCo?
[05:25] <elkbuntu> XVampireX, check https;//wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamsList
[05:26] <XVampireX> thanks
[07:29] <airjump> hello
[07:30] <airjump> Why are all Ubuntu people in the IRC? Jabber is nevertheless much better<EMAIL_ADDRESS>a good room
[07:31] <crimsun> "better" is obviously subjective.
[07:32] <crimsun> e.g., I prefer IRC, because I'm an old fart and grew up on IRC.
[07:32] <Vorian> lol
[07:33] <airjump> ok
[07:33] <Vorian> :)
[07:33] <Vorian> airjump, jabber is cool too :)
[07:33] <airjump> have you an account
[07:33] <Vorian> yep
[07:34] <Vorian> private, however :)
[07:34] <airjump> i am in the room<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:37] <tsmithe> irc is plaintext and ubiquitous
[07:37] <airjump> yes
[07:38] <tsmithe> jabber is not
[07:38] <tsmithe> plaintext is also faster and some may say easier to process than xml
[07:39] <tsmithe> also, this isn't really "marketing" talk
[07:39] <airjump> ok i go
[07:39] <airjump> bye
[08:19] <juliux> jenda, ping
[08:41] <jenda> juliux: pong
[08:42] <juliux> jenda, hi;)
[08:42] <juliux> can you e-mail the details for the stickers
[08:42] <juliux> so i can pay them;)
[08:43] <jenda> Details? :)
[08:43] <juliux> yes;) for example your paypal account;9
[08:43] <jenda> There's no more details than my email address and the price: jenda at ubuntu dot com and 250 :)
[08:44] <juliux> thxs
[08:44] <juliux> when do you get the stickers?
[08:44] <tonyyarusso> 250 euros worth of stickers?
[08:44] <tonyyarusso> how many did you get?
[08:45] <juliux> tonyyarusso, i think 1500 ubuntu, 1000 kubuntu, 500 xubuntu, 500 edubuntu
[08:45] <jenda> tonyyarusso: 3500
[08:45] <tonyyarusso> ah
[08:45] <juliux> tonyyarusso, they are for the german locoteam;9
[08:45] <jenda> juliux: I should have them by wednesday.
[08:45] <juliux> tonyyarusso, we will give them away on expos
[08:45] <tonyyarusso> juliux: gotcha
[08:46] <juliux> tonyyarusso, i have here around 40 ubuntu shirts, 700 ubuntu edgy dvds, 10.000 ubuntu flyers;9
[08:46] <juliux> tonyyarusso, and all the stuff for a stand at a expo
[08:47] <tonyyarusso> I want a shirt...
[08:47] <tonyyarusso> Those the polos?
[08:47] <juliux> sure
[08:47] <tonyyarusso> cool
[08:47] <juliux> tonyyarusso, you are in the us?
[08:47] <tonyyarusso> juliux: Sometimes.  I toggle between US and Canada
[08:47] <juliux> tonyyarusso, where in the us?
[08:48] <tonyyarusso> juliux: Minnesota.
[08:48] <juliux> tonyyarusso, i will sent nixternal some polos
[08:48] <tonyyarusso> juliux: nixternal is Chicago, right?
[08:48] <Admiral_Chicago> tonyyarusso: yes
[08:48] <juliux> i think so
[08:48] <tonyyarusso> cool
[08:48] <tonyyarusso> I drive through Chicago en route.
[08:48] <tonyyarusso> Admiral_Chicago: never would have guessed that one
[08:49] <Admiral_Chicago> :)
[08:50] <juliux> btw i start to desing a edubuntu leaflet;) http://ubuntu.juliux.de/edubuntu_front.png http://ubuntu.juliux.de/edubuntu_back.png
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> juliux: i see a few errors
[08:52] <juliux> Admiral_Chicago, the text is still the one from the ubuntu leaflet
[08:53] <juliux> Admiral_Chicago, i only changed the desing
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> oh i see, okay then. the design does look good
[08:53] <juliux> Admiral_Chicago, my english is to bad to make a "offical" text for a leaflet;9
[08:54] <juliux> tonyyarusso, if you want a shirt i can send it together with nixternal so it is a little bit cheaper for you;)
[08:55] <tonyyarusso> juliux: Could you send me details including fabric makeup, pictures, how European sizes might match here, and total price?  this nick at ubuntu is fine.
[08:56] <Admiral_Chicago> juliux: I could proof read it more thoughtly if you would like
[08:56] <juliux> tonyyarusso, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1885720#post1885720
[08:57] <juliux> Admiral_Chicago, willdiv will do the english text
[08:57] <tonyyarusso> juliux: still doing one color?
[08:57] <juliux> tonyyarusso, yes only navy blue
[08:57] <Admiral_Chicago> okay good
[08:58] <tonyyarusso> juliux: http://ubuntu.juliux.de/polo.jpg 404s
[08:58] <juliux> tonyyarusso, omg
[08:58] <tonyyarusso> Found it under /shirt
[08:58] <tonyyarusso> Site itself is fine
[08:59] <juliux> ah good
[08:59] <tonyyarusso> just broken link on forums - breathe
[08:59] <juliux> i moved around all the stuff there, because i was everything in /
[08:59] <tonyyarusso> eww
[08:59] <tonyyarusso> Quality looks okay - what are your opinions on the manufacturer?
[08:59] <juliux> all the ubuntu related from over 1,5 year;)
[09:00] <juliux> tonyyarusso, made in germany;)
[09:00] <tonyyarusso> Do you make shirts like you make cars?
[09:00] <juliux> yes
[09:01] <juliux> it is a good quality
[09:01] <tonyyarusso> cool
[09:01] <juliux> a normal poloshirt has 180-220gr/sqm we have 220gr/sqm
[09:01] <tonyyarusso> I spent part of last summer selling school uniforms, and it's amusing how some of those are great and some are cheap POS
[09:02] <juliux> i think i washed my shirt now 10-15 times and every thing is fine
[09:02] <juliux> it has still the original size
[11:07] <somerville32> ++
[11:08] <tonyyarusso> --
[11:08] <tonyyarusso> lol
[11:08] <tonyyarusso> &&
[11:11] <somerville32> remove_interactive(find_user("tonyyarusso"));


[01:48] <Cheri703> yo homies
[01:48] <paultag> yo Cheri703
[01:48] <Cheri703> what's new paultag?
[01:48] <paultag> Cheri703: nada, helping someone in #fluxbox who is running arch, yet has no idea what the CLI is
[01:48] <Cheri703> nice
[01:49] <paultag> it's not fun
[01:50] <Cheri703> I'd imagine
[01:50] <paultag> I'm fine with beginners
[01:50] <paultag> just not beginners that hate learning
[01:50] <Cheri703> yeah :(
[02:06] <canthus13> Cheri703: How's the boss thing going?
[02:06] <Cheri703> ha
[02:06] <canthus13> Heh.
[02:06] <Cheri703> fun
[02:06] <Cheri703> the crazy is showing ;)
[02:06] <Cheri703> she called my MOM
[02:06] <canthus13> Wow.
[02:06] <canthus13> What'd your mom say?
[02:06] <Cheri703> granted, she knows my mom from back where she used to live, but...still
[02:07] <Cheri703> basically boss was making up random crap, talking about how GENEROUS they've been, and how WONDERFUL and how she just can't imagine why I'd want to quit, and don't I understand how good they've been to me >.<
[02:07] <Cheri703> mom was like, "mmhm"
[02:07] <canthus13> Nice.
[02:07] <Cheri703> and boss is saying that I was overpaid, and that that bonus (the one she uses as justification for not paying me) was an ADVANCE on my pay, and I owe it back o.O
[02:07] <Cheri703> which is BULLCRAP
[02:08] <Cheri703> and my mom's response to that was "well, I'm sure cheri would love to work it out, so perhaps you and she can sit down with someone from xerox corporate and get that resolved"
[02:08] <Cheri703> because she's totally cheating the system and not doing what she's supposed to do and has lied to xerox about that whole program
[02:08] <Cheri703> boss' response was something to the effect of "oh"
[02:08] <Cheri703> :D
[02:09] <Unit193> Did you call the "system"?
[02:09] <Cheri703> well, one of the corporate folks knows already, but apparently hasn't done jack about it
[02:09] <Cheri703> :( so I'll be making some more calls as necessary
[02:11] <canthus13> bah. I used to know a whole bunch of people that worked all up and down the pay scales at PARC.
[02:11] <canthus13> Unfortunately, most of them have either retired or moved to other companies.
[02:11] <Cheri703> parc?
[02:11] <canthus13> Xerox's Palo Alto Research Center.
[02:11]  * canthus13 wonders if Pavel is still there.
[02:12] <Cheri703> ah
[02:12] <Cheri703> nice
[02:12] <BiosElement> http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/21/verizon-google-fcc-net-neutrality/
[02:12] <BiosElement> Awesome FCC is retarded
[02:13] <BiosElement> Apparently...since Android is "Open" the mobile network is "Open"...
[02:13] <paultag> ha!
[02:13] <BiosElement> If that's true, well then Linux is open so why the hell do we need it there? ;)
[02:13] <BiosElement> So no, blame doesn't really go to Google
[02:13] <BiosElement> But it goes directly to the FCC
[02:13]  * canthus13 pokes through the exec bios to see if he recognizes any names.
[02:14] <canthus13> Bah. Nobody I recognize... You might shoot an email to the Chief Ethics Officer, tho... :)
[02:15] <paultag> Cheri703: why?
[02:15] <paultag> erm canthus13
[02:15] <paultag> not you Cheri703
[02:15] <Cheri703> yeah, might see if I can escalate this, especially if they're going to keep being crappy
[02:15] <paultag> :)
[02:15] <Cheri703> paultag: he's talking about my ridiculous boss situation
[02:15] <paultag> oh aye
[02:15] <Cheri703> BUT ONLY FOR 1.5 moar weeks!
[02:15] <paultag> :D
[02:15] <Cheri703> WOOO
[02:15] <paultag> Cheri703: you go!
[02:15] <canthus13> paultag: I used to know half the staff at PARC.   Pavel sold out to MS. :(
[02:18] <Cheri703> :(
[02:31] <canthus13> paultag: You still interested in writing an MMO?
[02:32] <paultag> canthus13: MNO? MUD?
[02:32] <paultag> canthus13: Oh MMO
[02:32] <canthus13> Or was it someone else in here that was talking about it?
[02:33] <paultag> I think someone else canthus13, I was thinking about writing a MUD at some point
[02:33] <paultag> but I don't do MMOs :)
[02:33] <canthus13> paultag: Ah. Well, this would work for either... http://mooix.net/
[02:33] <canthus13> It's an abandoned project... mixing unix and MOO.
[02:33] <paultag> oh raw canthus13
[02:33] <canthus13> Seems interesting.
[02:34] <paultag> canthus13: I was going to write everything in nodejs
[02:34] <paultag> seems like it would be best, also let me do it via HTTP or TCP
[02:34] <paultag> perhaps I can bridge it
[02:34] <canthus13> This one can be modified in pretty much any language.
[02:34] <paultag> yeah
[05:32] <Unit193> Maybe finch isn't the best idea... (seg faulting)
[16:30] <Cheri703> canthus13: around?
[17:51] <canthus13> Cheri703: What's up?
[18:14] <Cheri703> remember how you said to check if I could reach my modem when my internet was being dumb?
[18:19] <canthus13> Yep.
[18:23] <Cheri703> it did it earlier, but only for a short time. I could reach local ip's, but it wouldn't reach the modem, or reach external sites
[18:24] <Cheri703> so I don't know what that means
[18:27] <canthus13> Cheri703: Did the lights on the modem look normal at that point?
[18:27] <Cheri703> uhm, I didn't look, but they generally do, I've looked when it's done it in the past
[18:27] <canthus13> Then it's most likely the router flaking out on you.
[18:28] <Cheri703> but I can access all other local ip's
[18:28] <canthus13> I see it fairly often.  you can get to the local network, your ISP can see the internet-facing port on the router, but the bridge in between isn't passing any traffic.
[18:28] <Cheri703> :(
[18:29] <Cheri703> any recourse other than a new router?
[18:29] <Cheri703> because...not buying a new router
[18:29] <canthus13> Cheri703: What brand is the router? (Not belkin, I hope...)
[18:29] <Cheri703> no, trendnet
[18:29] <Cheri703> one sec, I'll get the model
[18:29] <canthus13> Trendnet... Formerly Intel.
[18:29] <canthus13> Dunno much about them. I run across them once in a while.
[18:29] <Cheri703> tew-652brp
[18:30] <Cheri703> supposedly a well reviewed unit, I dunno though
[18:30] <canthus13> Cheri703: It'll run DD-WRT.
[18:30] <Cheri703> should I put that on it?
[18:31] <canthus13> I wouldn't do it without a spare router, just in case you brick it.  But DD-WRT is better than most stock firmware.
[18:31] <Cheri703> I may be getting a spare router this weekend, a linksys g router
[18:31] <Cheri703> not sure what model
[18:31] <canthus13> Well, the tow-652brp v1.0, anyway.
[18:31] <canthus13> THe linksys might be a better choice for DD-WRT, depending on the model/version.
[18:32]  * Cheri703 wants n
[18:32] <canthus13> But if that trendnet is the v 1.0, it supports better firmware than a lot of linksys.  32MB ram, 4 MB flash. most linksys are 8/2.
[18:32] <Cheri703> ok, I'm checking
[18:33] <Cheri703> how do I know what version I have?
[18:33] <Cheri703> not seeing it
[18:34] <canthus13> 32MB makes me doubt it's a memory issue locking it up.
[18:34] <canthus13> Umm.. usually on the tag on the bottom near the model number.  Also, somewhere on the router config page.
[18:34] <Cheri703> k
[18:34] <canthus13> I'd guess that no version number means 1.0
[18:35] <Cheri703> it's presently attached to something, so looking on the bottom is not convenient...looking on config page
[18:36] <Cheri703> I guess I don't know WHAT is so wonderful about the dd-wrt, I've heard about it, but I don't know what benefit it has for me
[18:36] <canthus13> It's very configurable, and a lot more stable than a lot of factory firmware.
[18:37] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[18:37] <Cheri703> I think I have a version 2, based on some site
[18:37] <canthus13> You can also adjust the radio power level to get better (or worse) range.
[18:37] <Cheri703> firmware is 2.something something
[18:37] <Cheri703> ok
[18:37] <canthus13> Although boosting the power levels might burn the radio out.  Cutting them back, though, can keep neighbors off an open/weakly encrypted access point.
[18:38] <canthus13> Hmm.. Not sure. you might ask on the DD-WRT forums.
[18:38] <Cheri703> looks like it supports it
[18:38] <canthus13> the v1.0 is the hardware revision, not the firmware revision.
[18:38] <canthus13> I'd think the firmware revision isn't too important. (Although it could be for the flash process..)
[18:42] <Cheri703> it's a v2.1r
[18:43] <Cheri703> apparently that's not compatible with dd-wrt :(
[18:46] <Cheri703> they changed from atheros to realtek :(
[18:51] <canthus13> Bah. that sucks.
[18:51] <Cheri703> oh well
[18:51] <Cheri703> it's usable. and I can mess with the linksys all I want :)
[18:52] <Cheri703> I have 10mbps internet, but even right now, I'm connected to the n router, and it says 54kbps on my connection info >.<
[18:55] <Cheri703> eh, oh well. I have to go back and work on getting the house ready...don't want to, but need to
[19:07] <canthus13> 54kbps? Or 54mbps?
[19:07] <canthus13> 54mbps is a standard wireless G speed.
[19:09] <thafreak> 54TBPS
[19:09] <thafreak> 54PBPS
[19:19] <Cheri703> Mb/s, sorry, reading quickly
[19:20] <canthus13> Ah. you're getting max G speed.  You've prolly got therouter set for mixed mode.
[19:22] <Cheri703> I think so
[19:25] <Cheri703> would I suddenly get blazingly faster speed if I set it to n only?
[19:25] <Cheri703> I'm not thinking I would
[19:25] <canthus13> Only between machines on the network.
[19:25] <Cheri703> yeah
[19:25] <Cheri703> ok
[19:25] <canthus13> And if you have any G-only wireless devices, they wouldn't be able to connect.
[19:25] <Cheri703> that's why I left it on mixed mode....
[19:26] <Cheri703> I work on old computers for people, lots of older dells and such
[19:26] <canthus13> So you're pretty much stuck.
[19:26] <canthus13> Of course, you could go straight N on that one and use the other router when you get it for G connections.
[19:27] <Cheri703> true...
[19:27] <Cheri703> OR I could keep the g one in its box and sell it to someone later...
[19:28] <canthus13> Heh.
[22:00] <Cheri703> posts like this make me weep for ohio: http://mansfield.craigslist.org/stp/2125279070.html
[22:04]  * canthus13 sometimes weeps because he's IN ohio...
[22:05] <canthus13> At least the poster sprinkled  a little punctuation in there...
[22:09] <Cheri703> 2 periods
[22:09] <Cheri703> and spelled mansfield wrong
[22:10]  * Cheri703 has only half of her living room curtains up


[05:41] <YoBoY> morning
[05:42] <YoBoY> sert à quoi les cubecraft ?
[05:42] <YoBoY> oups wrong channel ^^"
[05:46] <IdleOne> je suppose ca cert a quelque chose qui a rapport a minecraft
[05:47] <YoBoY> ça en évoque la forme oui ^^"
[05:47] <YoBoY> http://www.froeh.li/ubuntu/?dir=cubeecraft
[05:51] <YoBoY> paper folding with lot of glue :)
[06:00] <YoBoY> IdleOne: tiens tant que j'ai un canadien sous la main :D comment ubuntu-fr est perçu de votre côté ?
[06:00] <IdleOne> le canal?
[06:00] <IdleOne> super equipe qui sont tres fort en documentation et support
[06:01] <YoBoY> l'ensemble des ressources plutot
[06:01] <IdleOne> honestly I don't use the -fr resources very often
[06:02] <YoBoY> you don't need them, like me ;)
[06:02] <IdleOne> but I have looked at them and when it comes to support and documentation they are awesome and I often refer -qc users to the -fr wiki/forums
[06:03] <IdleOne> and the irc channel for that matter
[06:03] <IdleOne> I know that we don't look at the -fr team as competition
[06:03] <YoBoY> I'm always trying to find how we can improve them to make them more francophones and less french (if it's necessary)
[06:04] <YoBoY> online there is no competition, only help :)
[06:04] <IdleOne> not sure what you mean by more francophone and less french
[06:06] <YoBoY> que les utilisateurs se sente au bon endroit et pas dans un site national, je sais pas si je suis compréhensible ^^"
[06:07] <IdleOne> well, I think that it is important to make sure that French speaking people feel that they are welcome in the French Ubuntu community no matter where they are from.
[06:08] <YoBoY> yes that's it
[06:08] <YoBoY> it's that
[06:08]  * YoBoY need more coffee
[06:11] <IdleOne> Have you noticed that some French speakers from outside of France feel unwelcome?
[06:11] <YoBoY> we plan to produce ubuntu banners with the ubuntu-fr website on them (similar to the free banner the loco teams received this year) you think this can be helpfull in quebec too ?
[06:12] <YoBoY> no, but they don't seem to participate like people in france
[06:13] <YoBoY> and they are welcome to participate too :) (improving the doc, support on the forum, ...)
[06:13] <IdleOne> I'm sure the Quebec team would be willing to work with the French team on something like that. perhaps talk to cyphermox or MagicFab
[06:14] <YoBoY> I'll ping MagicFab ok :)
[06:14] <YoBoY> perhaps I'll open a survey about that one day ^^
[06:14] <IdleOne> I know the -qc team has a banner but don't think it is a Quebec specific one
[06:18] <YoBoY> perhaps one day canonical will organise an Ubuntu LoCo Summit :D
[06:19] <knome> start working on it, and your dream might come true
[06:20] <knome> btw, is it intentional that the topic says "Topic for #ubuntu-leadership is: %s" ?
[06:20] <IdleOne> knome: something wrong with your client
[06:20] <YoBoY> arg, some people already want us to work on an uds in France... can't do both ^^"
[06:20] <IdleOne> Topic for #ubuntu-leadership is:  Topic for #ubuntu-leadership is: Welcome to the Ubuntu Leadership Team - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership  | Mailing List: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-leadership | Meeting Date: Monday, October 24, 2011, at 1800 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting
[06:20] <knome> yeah. replace %s with things.
[06:21] <knome> the thing i was wondering was the "Topic for..." -part repeated
[06:21] <IdleOne> oh
[06:21] <IdleOne> right it is hehe
[06:21] <knome> :)
[06:22] <IdleOne> topyli: mind fixing the topic in here?
[06:22] <IdleOne> remove the "Topic for #ubuntu-leadership is:" part
[06:23] <IdleOne> if you can remember your secret password thingy :)
[06:23] <knome> it's probably "sausage" anyway
[06:40] <valorie> like all the homepages that used to say "welcome to my homepage"
[06:40] <valorie> or somesuch
[06:43] <knome> heh
[06:44] <knome> mine doesn't...
[06:45] <valorie> this was in the early 90s
[06:46] <valorie> you used to see it all the time
[06:46] <valorie> silly
[06:46] <knome> yup. you still see it all the time, and you still see your clients adding that to their pages.
[06:47] <knome> (their brand-new pages...)
[08:11] <NRWlion> hoi
[16:26] <akgraner> Banners and Table Covers – What I See. - http://akgraner.com/?p=1052
[18:29] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: ping
[19:37] <valorie> DarkwingDuck: pong
[19:48] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: care for a PM?
[19:48] <valorie> sure
[23:00] <NRWlion> morning


[01:27] <Logan> cyphermox: hah, now I want one
[01:28] <Logan> so are we building every package on s390x now?
[01:28] <Logan> well, every "any" package
[01:30] <xnox> Logan, at the moment nothing is built, as none exist =) but in the future yes. Think of this like ppc64el, arm64 ports, which were brought up in recent times. but really not the good time or place to talk about it, as the shoe strings are being put together to get things going.
[01:41] <cjwatson> Logan: unless specifically excluded in their Architecture, indeed
[01:41] <cjwatson> Logan: though as usual, packages that never built won't count against proposed migration
[01:42] <Logan> nice, sounds awesome
[01:42] <cjwatson> infinity: might want to teach p-m about s390x
[01:42] <Logan> looking forward to another cycle of blind porting :P
[01:43] <slangasek> gonna be pretty boring; this is a mature architecture in Debian
[01:43] <infinity> Logan: This one won't need much love like the last two, it's an old port.
[01:43] <Logan> hmm, okay
[01:45] <cjwatson> no endless autoreconfery for us this time
[01:46] <cjwatson> also it'll have 28 builders once we get things going, at least for the short term, so shouldn't get in people's way nearly as much :)
[10:48] <apw> cjwatson, britney is (now) reporting xenial linux-meta and linux as lacking builds on s390x and not starting testing, do i presume that they are stuck there until those builds appear ?  s390x is not a lagging arch?
[10:49] <apw> cjwatson, and actually, launchpad is not reporting builds as existing for s390x in the web interface, is that correct
[11:14] <cjwatson> apw: Yeah, I was trying to get somebody to do the britney work last night since I can't
[11:14] <cjwatson> apw: Launchpad> example URL please?
[11:14] <cjwatson> 'cos it sure is in some places
[11:25] <cjwatson> apw: Oh, the kernel, that'll be because your Architecture lines don't include s390x, so that's expected.  Don't worry about the "missing build on s390x" in your case - that's actually just because arch all binaries are out of date, so it'll clear as soon as we process amd64 through NEW
[11:25] <apw> cjwatson, well our architecture lines do contain s390x for the one in -proposed, but https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/4.3.0-1.10 does not have a missing build for it
[11:25] <cjwatson> apw: Oh, infinity didn't run add-missing-builds for -proposed, we were going to wait until release was a bit more fleshed out
[11:26] <cjwatson> infinity: Maybe I was wrong and that isn't worth the confusion
[11:27] <infinity> cjwatson: Nah, I think you were right. :P
[11:27] <infinity> cjwatson: I was going to do proposed once main's more or less done.
[11:27] <apw> cjwatson, ahh then that makes sense then
[11:27] <cjwatson> Copies into release will still generate builds, so we won't end up in a half state
[11:28] <infinity> Even if something did get stuck in a half state, I was going to re-run add-missing for all pockets at the end anyway, out of paranoia.
[12:52] <rbasak> Can an AA please review monitoring-plugins languishing in Xenial NEW? It's a merge of a Debian source package rename.
[15:02]  * apw notes that britney is reporting wily as in freeze, is that just leftovers from the release ?
[15:02]  * apw also notes that the title says wily release coordination still
[15:10] <cjwatson> apw: what URL is that?
[15:10] <apw> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/wily/update_excuses.html
[15:10] <apw> cjwatson, ^ that one
[15:11] <cjwatson> apw: note the URL ...
[15:11] <cjwatson> s,wily/,,
[15:11] <cjwatson> or s/wily/xenial/
[15:12] <cjwatson> oh, wait, you actually are intentionally looking at the stable run
[15:12] <apw> cjwatson, right, looking at the stable runs for adt info etc, presumably not making a differnce, just odd
[15:13] <cjwatson> apw: sorry, I understand now, I have hit it with a suitable hammer so it should clear in a bit
[15:14] <apw> cjwatson, ack thanks
[15:14] <cjwatson> (removed the old hints branch - it'll rebranch on the next run)
[15:18] <apw> could someone review the linux-signed in new, so we can see if testing kicks off ok with s390x in the mix
[15:18] <apw> (in xenial-proposed)
[15:18] <cjwatson> looks like it was just accepted
[15:18] <cjwatson> oh that
[15:20] <apw> ta
[18:46] <bdmurray> slangasek: Could you review my python-apt SRUs for T and W?
[18:47] <slangasek> bdmurray: sure, looking
[19:14] <bdmurray> slangasek: There's a wily one too.
[19:14] <slangasek> bdmurray: yep, got interrupted - doing it now :)
[19:17] <bdmurray> slangasek: okay
[19:18] <slangasek> done
[20:45] <cjwatson> right, we have a slightly more respectable number of s390x builders now, though still only about a third of the end total
[21:13] <tkamppeter> Hi, why is cups-filters 1.2.0-1 stuck in xenial-proposed for 2 days now? It has successfully built on all plat forms.
[21:31] <xnox> it built \o/ slangasek ^ can you please de-new it =)
[21:33] <slangasek> xnox: someone may have beat me to it?
[21:33] <xnox> newing libc6-s390 looks good, not sure about the .ddebs... i thought they don't go into launchpad.
[21:34] <xnox> slangasek, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=glibc
[21:34] <xnox> it's in release pocket.
[21:34] <slangasek> ah yes
[21:34] <xnox> because funny arches =)
[21:34]  * xnox goes back to evening tea and waiting for firefox to build
[21:35] <xnox> slangasek, is it normal for -*dbgsym*.ddebs to be listed as NEW packages ? (me has no idea, cause well, i'm not an AA)
[21:36] <slangasek> xnox: yes, it apparently is normal :)
[21:36] <slangasek> accepted now
[22:00] <tkamppeter> slangasek, xnox, why is cups-filters 1.2.0-1 stuck in xenial-proposed for 2 days now? It has successfully built on all plat forms.
[22:03] <xnox> tkamppeter, it's in poppler transition, which is not complete. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration
[22:33] <tkamppeter> xnox, thanks.
[22:59] <cjwatson> xnox: ddebs go into Launchpad as of April
[22:59] <cjwatson> http://blog.launchpad.net/general/launchpad-news-april-june-2015
[23:01] <xnox> cjwatson, i read that.... well just the "git" portion =))))) and then was over-exited and went to play with all of that.
[23:40] <xnox> libdbusmenu is hung, as usual, killing the build.
[23:40] <xnox> known bug #1429291


[01:05] <kwwii> zacbarton: hey, I realized that I had tried your solultion before...if you change th font size things crazy
[01:06] <kwwii> things *go* crazy
[01:06] <kwwii> anyway, time for sleep
[01:06] <kwwii> night
[02:47] <ripps> Hey, I was wondering if any of you artists would like to give me an honest this new gtk theme I made, it's based of the new Ambiance theme: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=121118
[02:47] <ripps> ^honest opinion
[04:19] <joeseph> hello
[16:15] <comutamike> hi guys - I'm struggling with packaging themes for Ubuntu - do we have any guidelines or notes on how to do it ?
[16:15] <dashua> Getting used to these metacity buttons on the left side already after just a few days.  It's a actually quite nice.
[16:41] <kwwii> comutamike: nothing of that sort that I know of, take a package and look at how it is done, copy that
[16:44] <comutamike> I tried that with the ubuntu artwork package - I tried uploading my version of that to launchpad, but it complained about the rules file - wich was't in the source.
[16:44] <sanderqd> kwwii: would it be possible to add some spacing between the legacy systray icons, to make it look more consistent?
[16:44] <kwwii> well, ubuntu-artwork is not the package you should look at, I think
[16:44] <kwwii> comutamike: what are you trying to package?
[16:44] <kwwii> sanderqd: yeah, I was thinking the same thing
[16:45] <kwwii> sanderqd: not sure how easily doable it is, but I will look into it
[16:45] <comutamike> I'm trying to package some wall papers and themes - That's what in the ubuntu artwork package
[16:45] <sanderqd> kwwii: it works out nicely in gnome-shell, and the spacing can become clickable so that it's easier to open their menus
[16:45] <comutamike> is there a better package i should use?
[16:52] <vish> kwwii: sanderqd: its being done in fedora , http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/mclasen/2009/10/26/5-little-things/
[16:52] <sanderqd> yeah, was looking for their code
[16:53] <comutamike> kwwii: I'll try re-packaging - ubuntu-wallpapers packages...
[17:03] <sanderqd> kwwii, vish: mclasen's patch for fedora is here: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343436
[17:03] <sanderqd> this has shipped in F12, hopefully it's not too late to include in U10.04
[17:13] <thorwil> so far the only adjustment of the Artwork section of the wiki to the new situation is the removal of my Numerals page
[17:14] <vish> :(
[17:15] <thorwil> explanations of the new strategy as partly happened on Mark's blog should land in the wiki, too
[17:16] <thorwil> along of checking whether the message/audience stuff still makes sense
[17:16] <thorwil> would create a todo if only i could be bothered
[17:18] <thorwil> troy_s: you're much too nice and open for those commentators on reddit
[17:18] <troy_s> thorwil: Lol.
[17:19] <troy_s> thorwil: I got a warning from the forums. I was rather shocked on that front.
[17:19] <thorwil> troy_s: it's like a high-society gentleman trying to discuss greek philosophy with slum dwellers
[17:20] <troy_s> thorwil: I'm not very good with those high-society types. /me is from the slums.
[17:20] <thorwil> troy_s: warning on the ubuntu forums? did you raise the level of insight into critical heights?
[17:21] <troy_s> thorwil: Lol. No. I just tried to respond politely to what seemed to be a knee jerk comment.
[17:21] <thorwil> troy_s: just teasing you a bit. the contrast is there, though
[17:22] <thorwil> vish: just in case that isn't clear, i removed that myself
[17:22] <vish> thorwil: nah , i got that ;)
[17:30] <vish> thorwil: just today i was wondering about the numerals work you did and the revs it underwent..
[17:30] <thorwil> vish: i just file that as nice training
[17:31] <vish> thorwil: hehe , you should get into typography  ;p
[17:32] <thorwil> vish: what, should i get out just to reenter? ;p
[17:32] <vish> thorwil: lol.. i meant full-fledged
[17:35] <vish> hehe , noticed several comment on sabdfl's blog asking canonical to hire troy_s ;)
[17:41] <thorwil> yeah, i'm doing it wrong
[17:43] <troy_s> God that would never happen.
[17:43] <troy_s> Ever.
[17:43] <troy_s> Ugh.
[17:46] <troy_s> I'm well underqualified.
[17:47] <thorwil> i'm about 2,5 meters sideways-qualified for about everything
[17:48]  * thorwil leaves to move a fork to his mouth many times in succession
[18:26] <thorwil> plop
[18:27] <knome> hello thorwil
[18:27] <thorwil> hi knome. how is the mouse doing?
[18:28] <knome> haven't moved much during the weekend
[18:28] <knome> will get going again on monday when the design team returns to work
[18:28] <knome> i've been working mostly with the new website theme
[18:28] <kwwii> a mouse that doesn't move much must be dead ;)
[18:28] <knome> which is actually doing pretty well!
[18:29] <knome> kwwii, it's just paralyzed by my farts
[18:29] <knome> ;)
[18:29] <kwwii> :P
[18:46] <dashua> kwwii, Fixed about 10 reported bugs and another 10 unreported for light-themes.
[18:48] <kwwii> dashua: wow, sounds good!
[18:49] <dashua> I subscribed you to the branch.  Just let me know of any changes you need?
[18:49] <dashua> It's pretty easy to fix as it looks like a majority of the code is based on Dust ;)
[18:49] <kwwii> dashua: excellent, thanks! I'm heading out to the cinema in a bit
[18:49] <kwwii> dashua: indeed it is ;)
[18:50] <dashua> Np
[18:50] <dashua> Have fun :)
[18:50] <kwwii> I will check it out first thing tomorrow morning
[18:50] <kwwii> I hope to ;) you too!
[18:50] <dashua> Thx :)
[18:55] <psyke83> dashua: just took a look at your -refresh branch - is the combobox arrow part of the widget supposed to have that strong outline?
[19:18] <dashua> psyke83, Actually no.  I wanted it to all blend in.
[19:24] <psyke83> dashua: it's caused by a combination of the border_colors and contrast engine settings for the button style (lines 129, 130... at least in Ambience)
[19:25] <psyke83> commenting the lines seems to fix the problem
[19:27] <dashua> Ok cool. Thx.
[19:29] <dashua> Awesome.     Works great :)
[19:29] <psyke83> I'm not sure if you added the border_colors option to your refresh, or it was Ken and the other art people... but I think it slightly changes all button outlines when you comment it
[19:30] <psyke83> nevertheless, I think all buttons look fine (better?) with the lines commented :)
[19:31] <dashua> I added the border_shades and colors for the dimensional look, but this works out better.
[19:32] <dashua> Seems the combo isn't honoring the shades and colors even if added to combobox.
[19:33] <psyke83> well, the button style supersedes the combobox style
[19:33] <psyke83> it's something like GtkWindow.*.GtkComboBox.GtkButton
[19:34] <dashua> psyke83, Do know any workarounds for Vino?
[19:34] <psyke83> what's the problem?
[19:34] <dashua> It's taking the tooltip_bg color making it unreadable from the dark purple.
[19:34] <dashua> Open Remote Desktop
[19:34] <dashua> You will see it.
[19:34] <psyke83> ah
[19:35] <psyke83> it may be possible to add a theme override, but this is genuinely a problem with the application that should be fixed in its code
[19:36] <psyke83> it would be less painful if it used the tooltip_fg_color as well
[19:38] <psyke83> dashua: the eXperience gtk engine is useful for problems like this
[19:38] <thorwil> vish: added manual title page tests to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Artwork (look for 2010-03-07 a to e)
[19:39] <psyke83> dashua: I'm checking it now, but here's instructions for reference: http://ebm.pastebin.com/9sYVCptP
[19:40] <dashua> Yeah, the only I could only come up with lightening the tooltip_bg but that takes away from the projected look.
[19:40] <dashua> Nice, Let me check that out
[19:41] <psyke83> dashua: 'Classpath: GtkDialog.GtkVBox.GtkVBox.GtkVBox.GtkHBox.GtkEventBox.VinoMessageBox : "tooltip"'
[19:42] <psyke83> so you can add a "*VinoMessageBox*" override, perhaps
[19:42] <dashua> Let me try it.
[19:42] <vish> thorwil: > #u-manual
[19:48] <psyke83> dashua, this works: widget "*VinoMessageBox*" style:highest "murrine-tooltip2"
[19:48] <dashua> Ha cool
[19:49] <dashua> Just tried this style "vino_bg"
[19:49] <dashua> {
[19:49] <dashua> 	fg[NORMAL] = @bg_color
[19:49] <dashua> }
[19:49] <dashua> widget_class "*VinoMessageBox*" style "vino_bg"
[19:49] <psyke83> however, I can't make it change the tooltip_bg_color, only the tooltip_fg_color (so you can make the text white, for example)
[19:49] <dashua> And the text is readable now
[19:49] <psyke83> right... it's odd that the bg can't be changed
[19:49] <psyke83> perhaps it's drawn by a different class
[19:50] <dashua> Yeah
[19:51] <psyke83> it still doesn't look perfect (the progress ring is still in black, and is barely visible)
[19:55] <dashua> psyke83, http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/45705/screenshot_011_YCVGYy.png
[19:55] <dashua> Not so good.
[19:55] <psyke83> just a sec
[20:01] <psyke83> dashua: it's better to patch vino, gimme a min
[20:03] <psyke83> dashua: is a bug for this issue filed yet?
[20:04] <dashua> Yeah
[20:05] <dashua> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/533520
[20:12] <psyke83> ok, I've modified the source and it now works fine
[20:12] <psyke83> however, I merely removed the code telling to use the tooltip_bg_color
[20:12] <psyke83> if I add code to make sure it uses the tooltip_fg_color, it may still look ugly
[20:13] <dashua> Nice
[20:28] <dashua> psyke83, pushed those border fixes for the combobox
[20:28] <dashua> Thx
[20:28] <psyke83> no prob
[20:30] <dashua> So vino just has to be patched for this to work correctly?
[20:36] <psyke83> dashua: the style override in the gtkrc is messy
[20:37] <psyke83> I've attached a patch that removes the usage of the tooltip style
[20:37] <psyke83> result: http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/1820/screenshotremotedesktop.png
[20:38] <psyke83> (that's not the ambience theme, but uses the same tooltip colours)
[20:39] <dashua> Ah nice
[20:47] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/45711/screenshot_012_0RPG9D.png
[20:47] <dashua> Works good psyke83
[20:48] <psyke83> considering the issue with that spinner not being visible when the tooltip bg is used, it's better that way IMHO
[20:49] <dashua> Definitely
[23:49] <kwwii> I am amazed that nobody picked up on the fact that the font is being created by one of the leading fontographers