[00:48] <svwilliams> ping cjohnston
[00:49] <cjohnston> hey svwilliams
[00:49] <svwilliams> Hey sorry lost connection
[00:50] <svwilliams> this is the branch you were working on the meeting left hand bar lp:~chrisjohnston/summit/new-meeting-stuff
[00:51] <svwilliams> ?
[00:51] <cjohnston> yes
[00:51] <svwilliams> how would you suggest I attempt to duplicate the bug you were seeing?
[00:51] <cjohnston> svwilliams: we are now using website_base.html and not ubuntu_website_base.html
[00:52] <cjohnston> merge it, migrate it, and see what happens
[00:52] <cjohnston> bbiaf
[00:52] <cjohnston> sorry
[00:52] <cprofitt> bobweaver: ping
[00:53] <svwilliams> cjohnston, np
[00:56] <cjohnston> svwilliams: im back
[00:56] <svwilliams> hey so I pulled trunk
[00:57] <svwilliams> and I was basically just going to redo what I did on trunk using my old branch as a guide
[00:57] <cjohnston> svwilliams: can you check out a new branch of the light django theme and switch the sidebar to website_base.html please
[00:57] <svwilliams> yes, where is the new branch of the light django theme?
[00:57] <cjohnston> same place
[00:57] <cjohnston> ubuntu-community-webthemes/light-django-theme
[01:10] <svwilliams> I merged back with my branch of it and I got 'No attribute THEME_MEDIA
[01:10] <cjohnston> new way to run summit :-)
[01:10] <cjohnston> python manage.py runserver --settings ubuntu_settings
[01:10] <svwilliams> lol
[01:10] <svwilliams> figures! thank you!!
[01:10] <svwilliams> :-)
[01:11] <cjohnston> youll need a new db too
[01:11] <cjohnston> 1 sec
[01:11] <cjohnston> http://ubuntuone.com/2wFfuUUS3YTsjHcmKuJGjr
[01:12] <cjohnston> imbrandon: howdy
[01:12]  * imbrandon waves *
[01:12] <imbrandon> heya newz2000 , been a while :)
[01:13] <cjohnston> imbrandon: is there anything in specific you would *like* to work on?
[01:13] <svwilliams> ty cjohnston
[01:13] <imbrandon> cjohnston: i might actually still be on the webteam "technicly" havent looked in ages
[01:13] <cjohnston> I have a couple different things going on that I need help with
[01:13] <cjohnston> lol
[01:13] <cjohnston> imbrandon: hrm... ic
[01:14] <imbrandon> cjohnston: umm i'm much more at home with drupal and raw php but anything will be ok with me
[01:14] <imbrandon> css on up the stack
[01:14] <cjohnston> lol
[01:14] <imbrandon> even have some javascript chops
[01:14] <cjohnston> well, css is always needing help :-)
[01:14] <imbrandon> k :)
[01:15] <cjohnston> imbrandon: right now we are working on switching to the new guidelines...
[01:15] <imbrandon> yea i was looking those over last night with the accompilshments
[01:15] <cjohnston> Amoz: has done alot of the work, but there is still some stuff left to be done
[01:15] <imbrandon> its quite complete
[01:16] <imbrandon> k
[01:16] <cjohnston> imbrandon: the link I just sent you is what we currently have..
[01:16]  * imbrandon looks
[01:17] <cjohnston> I have an outstanding branch change that he hasn't added there, but it doesnt fix all of the issues
[01:17] <imbrandon> k
[01:17] <imbrandon> dont look like a terrible start at all :)
[01:17] <imbrandon> does this need applied to a ton of sites or ...
[01:17] <cjohnston> really all we need to do is finish it
[01:17] <cjohnston> it will be available to all django sites...
[01:18] <imbrandon> kk
[01:18] <cjohnston> we will apply it to summit, and then to loco.ubuntu.com
[01:18] <imbrandon> i can convert it to a drupal theme too later for fridge and such
[01:18] <imbrandon> if wanted'
[01:18] <imbrandon> or the frige is wp now
[01:18] <cjohnston> imbrandon: so theres a couple things left to fix with the theme.. but then.. Linaro uses the same instance and there are some html changes that were required
[01:18] <cjohnston> i think wp
[01:19] <imbrandon> yea i forgot its wp now
[01:19] <cjohnston> imbrandon: i think you could probably get them to just send you the WP theme they are using
[01:19] <cjohnston> they basically did that for me here
[01:19] <imbrandon> yea i'm pretty sure i have access to it
[01:19] <imbrandon> just been a while
[01:19] <cjohnston> so we need to change the linaro CSS to where it works with the new html changes that were required
[01:19] <imbrandon> once upon a time i was active in this community
[01:19] <imbrandon> lol
[01:20] <cjohnston> ;-)
[01:20] <imbrandon> k
[01:20] <imbrandon> where are the changes ?
[01:20] <imbrandon> htat url ?
[01:20] <imbrandon> that*
[01:21] <cjohnston> https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/more-theme-work contains the html changes as of current, https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/more-theme-work contains the css changes as of current
[01:21] <imbrandon> k
[01:22] <cjohnston> I'm kinda thinking before we mess with the linaro stuff to finish the ubuntu stuff to make sure we are done with all of the html changes
[01:22] <svwilliams> cjohnston, ~svwilliams/ubuntu-community-webthemes/ligh-django-with-sidebar
[01:22] <imbrandon> sure
[01:22] <cjohnston> svwilliams: ok..
[01:22] <svwilliams> it works on my machine :-)
[01:22] <svwilliams> sorry to interrupt
[01:22] <cjohnston> imbrandon: do you have time to take a look this evening?
[01:22] <imbrandon> no worries
[01:22] <imbrandon> cjohnston: yup
[01:23] <cjohnston> imbrandon: prolly best to get summit working for you locally, then merge what we have in and then ill tell ya whats still needed?
[01:23] <imbrandon> cjohnston: between now and drupalcon on the 19th i've not much to do professionally so lots of time
[01:23] <cjohnston> awesome.. ive got lots that needs to be done :-P
[01:23] <imbrandon> yea i'll get it working on a vps or i can give you access to the vps but i run OSX localy ( hush )
[01:24] <cjohnston> imbrandon: http://summit.readthedocs.org
[01:24] <imbrandon> k
[01:25] <imbrandon> i LOVE readthedocs btw
[01:25] <cjohnston> I'm in the process of writing docs for summit
[01:25] <imbrandon> nice
[01:26] <imbrandon> is that the scheduler deal ?
[01:26] <cjohnston> yes
[01:26] <imbrandon> liek that had to be done by hand back when i was active
[01:26] <imbrandon> lol
[01:26] <cjohnston> lol
[01:26]  * imbrandon rembers scott cursing that thing
[01:26] <cjohnston> its no longer cursed at
[01:27] <cjohnston> kiko said it was a pleasure to use last month
[01:27] <imbrandon> i think uds M was the last time i did ubuntu web stuff, like the art.ubuntu.com install, so lots of catching up for me
[01:27] <cjohnston> there have been some kurses to keybuck tho
[01:27] <cjohnston> heh
[01:27] <imbrandon> infact i'm pretty sure art.u.c is gone now
[01:28] <imbrandon> ok so i need to setup summit local ( vps ) and then thats where the html and css needs to be fixed up first
[01:28] <imbrandon> and we'll adapt from ther e ?
[01:29] <cjohnston> sounds good to me
[01:29] <imbrandon> kk
[01:29] <cjohnston> as long as you can bzr push to lp
[01:29] <imbrandon> oh yea
[01:29] <imbrandon> i still maintain packages even though i dont run the desktop most of the time
[01:29] <imbrandon> :)
[01:29] <cjohnston> lol
[01:30] <imbrandon> apt-mirror and some other goodies heh, i even have ubuntu-accompishment-system working on OSX
[01:30] <imbrandon> shhhh dont tell jono
[01:30] <imbrandon> hahaha
[01:30] <cjohnston> lol
[01:30] <cjohnston> he may like tht
[01:30] <cjohnston> that
[01:30] <cjohnston> "it's ported"!
[01:31] <imbrandon> but yea i'm current with my core-dev stuff and most the rest of ubuntu just not the web stuff, kinda let that slip from memory
[01:31] <imbrandon> heh
[01:32] <cjohnston> imbrandon: http://ubuntuone.com/2wFfuUUS3YTsjHcmKuJGjr  <-- database
[01:32] <imbrandon> ok, gonna grab some late dinner ( dunno what timezone your in but I'm CST ) and then i'll get to crackin on this
[01:32] <cjohnston> ok..
[01:32] <cjohnston> est
[01:32] <imbrandon> ok
[01:32] <imbrandon> got it
[01:34] <imbrandon> if i run into probs i'll likely have you ssh into the box in the intrest of saving my sanity
[01:34] <imbrandon> if thats cool
[01:34] <cjohnston> works for me
[01:34] <cjohnston> prolly easier that way
[01:34] <imbrandon> kk, back in ~45ish min
[01:35] <cjohnston> ok
[01:36] <cjohnston> svwilliams: website_base.html doesn't contain the sidebar stuff
[01:36] <svwilliams> ?
[01:36] <svwilliams> well we split part of it
[01:36] <svwilliams> it should contain a side bar block
[01:37] <svwilliams> we put the other part in base.html
[01:37] <cjohnston> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~svwilliams/ubuntu-community-webthemes/ligh-django-with-sidebar/revision/44
[01:37] <cjohnston> nothing
[01:37] <cjohnston> wait
[01:37] <cjohnston> it is there
[01:37] <cjohnston> hrm
[01:37] <svwilliams> line 115
[01:37] <svwilliams> oh you foudn it
[01:38] <svwilliams> I figured I messed up the commit
[01:39] <cjohnston> ok..
[01:39] <cjohnston> svwilliams: line 117
[01:39] <cjohnston> add {% block side_bar_links %}
[01:39] <cjohnston> then add a default link or two
[01:39] <svwilliams> thats in base.html ...
[01:39] <cjohnston> then {% end block %}
[01:39] <svwilliams> on the summit side
[01:39] <svwilliams> want me to move it back?
[01:39] <cjohnston> it needs to be in wbesite_base.html just like sub_nav_links
[01:39] <cjohnston> please
[01:40] <svwilliams> ok
[01:40] <svwilliams> will do
[01:46] <svwilliams> ok ... :-) I learned a bit I think about summit today
[01:46] <svwilliams> to hide the bar
[01:46] <svwilliams> just include a blank block in base.html for summit
[01:46] <cjohnston> yu[
[01:46] <cjohnston> yup
[01:46] <svwilliams> I'm commiting up the change to website_base now give me a minute
[01:48] <svwilliams> rev 45 is up now
[01:49] <svwilliams> this should now work with summit without any of the changes there I made
[01:49] <svwilliams> they can all be thrown away
[01:49] <svwilliams> let me know what you think
[01:49] <svwilliams> I think it needs more space between the edges and the text
[01:50] <cjohnston> im not exactaly sure what you said
[01:50] <svwilliams> which part
[01:50] <cjohnston> this should now work with summit without any of the changes there I made
[01:50] <cjohnston> 21.50.30 < svwilliams> they can all be thrown away
[01:50] <svwilliams> ahh I had some changes to summit too
[01:51] <cjohnston> I still get doubles
[01:51] <cjohnston> wtf
[01:51] <svwilliams> that added side_bar_links to its base.html
[01:51] <svwilliams> hmm
[01:51] <cjohnston> fixed it
[01:51] <cjohnston> yay
[01:51] <svwilliams> what was it
[01:51] <cjohnston> i had sidebar links inside of content
[01:52] <svwilliams> ahh
[01:52] <svwilliams> makes sense now
[01:52] <svwilliams> what do you think any changes?
[01:53] <cjohnston> not sure..
[01:53] <cjohnston> trying to play some
[01:54] <cjohnston> give me a bit
[01:54] <cjohnston> :-)
[01:54] <svwilliams> yup, just let me know
[01:54] <cjohnston> mhall119: I think we may have gold
[01:54] <cjohnston> wanna try out the sidebar?
[01:55] <cjohnston> svwilliams: I'm hoping tomorrow to have feedback on implementation from the canonical webteam...
[01:55] <cjohnston> I'm assuming just a couple tweaks
[01:55] <cjohnston> but if it is working as I think it is, then we should just have minor changes
[01:55] <svwilliams> fantastic, I'll be ready to go tomorrow night!
[01:55] <svwilliams> one thing to note, not sure what they are going to think
[01:55] <cjohnston> svwilliams: can you take any changes out of ubuntu_website_base.html please
[01:55] <svwilliams> yes I can
[01:56] <cjohnston> "By the way, I passed your sidebar design to a few folks in the team. What's it used for exactly? We've got a few ideas, but it would be helpful to know exactly how it's used."
[01:57] <cjohnston> that's what I heard so far.. so it doesn't sound negative
[01:57] <svwilliams> fantastic!
[01:58] <svwilliams> I removed my stuff from ubuntu_website and pushed it up to the same branch
[01:58] <cjohnston> ty
[01:58] <svwilliams> np
[02:03] <svwilliams> you are very welcome ..
[02:03] <svwilliams> I'm signing off for tonight ... let me know what they say, I should be lurking tomorrow :-)
[02:03] <cjohnston> g'nite
[02:04] <svwilliams> nite!
[02:13] <imbrandon> cjohnston: ping
[02:15] <imbrandon> cjohnston: i got to run to the store and a few other minor things i did not expect but i'll still be able to crack at that tonight, but if you could setup summit for me in the meantime that would rock, here is the info you'll need
[02:16] <imbrandon> hostname: parc.websitedevops.com , nginx in /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/ , account "chris" has your ssh keys allready and full sudo access
[02:16] <imbrandon> should be an upto date 11.10 install, install an configure whatever you neeed, dont worry about whats alreadt there
[02:16] <imbrandon> its a "toy" vps
[02:17] <imbrandon> i'll be back here in a bit, let me know if you have any issues
[02:18] <imbrandon> licenced zend server and apache also running on non standard ports if you like those better than nginx
[02:18] <imbrandon> bbiab
[02:36] <newz2000> hey imbrandon, yes, it has been a while
[02:36]  * newz2000 thinks his head might explode
[03:00] <mars> spm, a new webservice, it will eventually be serving ubuntu.com proper.
[03:03] <imbrandon> cjohnston: ouch , how much of this can i touch, cuz it needs ALOT of love, and mobile use is almost impossible right now with the view-port settings and ... well i could go on, but please say i can fix lots-o-what-ever :)
[03:04] <imbrandon> btw did you get into ssh ok ?
[03:04] <cjohnston> imbrandon: prolly lots..
[03:04] <cjohnston> yes
[03:04] <cjohnston> im trying to get apache to serve the wsgi
[03:04] <cjohnston> and failing at it
[03:04] <imbrandon> newz2000: hehe hopefully i did not make the head explode
[03:05] <imbrandon> cjohnston: ahh yea probably much better off using nginx for wsgi its already setup for that and the apache is setup for zend server
[03:05] <cjohnston> imbrandon: can you set that up?
[03:05] <imbrandon> although you could blow away the zend server install and probably make it work
[03:05] <cjohnston> I've never messed with wsgi before
[03:05] <imbrandon> sure one sec
[03:07] <cjohnston> imbrandon: the site needs to stay within the guidelines... any custom css we are doing in a seperate file from what canonical gave us, that way if they give us updated css we should *hopefully* be able to throw it right in and it work
[03:07] <cjohnston> imbrandon: summit.chrisjohnston.org is pointing to your machine if you want to use that
[03:08] <imbrandon> sure, i'm just looking at some of the hacks and ie stuff , there is MUCH better ways to do alot of this and alot simpler, some of this code looks to be 2  or more years old
[03:08] <cjohnston> which code are you referring to?
[03:09] <cjohnston> the css?
[03:09] <imbrandon> cjohnston: heh yea i have 40+ domains and a few hostnames pointing to that box :)
[03:09] <cjohnston> thats it?
[03:09] <cjohnston> :-P
[03:09] <imbrandon> the css and accompanying js
[03:09] <cjohnston> ya..
[03:09] <cjohnston> the core* and extra css is the new stuff
[03:09] <cjohnston> imbrandon: hmm.. we may run into a problem.. I installed the reqs in a virtualenv
[03:10] <imbrandon> and ... ? heh
[03:10] <cjohnston> dont know if that will cause issues when running it
[03:10] <imbrandon> oh it requires a virtual env how ?
[03:10] <imbrandon> sorry not following
[03:11] <cjohnston> doesnt require.. but thats how i set it up, not really thinking.. theres the requirements.txt file that it needs stuff installed from
[03:11] <imbrandon> i can work from the static too grabed from the dyndns link for tonight tooo
[03:12] <cjohnston> if your good with setting it up, I'd love to have it on a box I have access to
[03:12] <imbrandon> that shouldent be a issue, i've got 2 or 3 other vps's i can use if needed and a few physical machines
[03:12] <imbrandon> that was just the lowest hanging fruit
[03:12] <cjohnston> i want some toys
[03:13] <imbrandon> sure
[03:13] <imbrandon> :)
[03:13] <cjohnston> I'm spec'ing a server to build
[03:13] <imbrandon> i always have toys esp web toys , one of the perks of my job :)
[03:13] <cjohnston> I guess I need a job
[03:13] <imbrandon> your much better off with many small servers
[03:13] <imbrandon> trust me :)
[03:14] <imbrandon> grab you 2 or 5 rasberys and goto town ;)
[03:14] <cjohnston> well... lol.. i was gonna do a big one and make some vm's
[03:16] <imbrandon> thats alot of money though, to build a big enough one to house the vm's youd want will be arround ~15k give or take a k, but the same vms can be out sourced and redundant for $100 a month on aws or rackspace :)
[03:16] <cjohnston> I spec'ed an AMD FX 8core 3.1ghz, 32gb ram for $700
[03:17] <imbrandon> i normaly have between 5 and 10 vm;s running at any one point an rarely run over $100 a month, and each one tuned can spit out about 7000 requests a second for a full drupal stack
[03:17] <imbrandon> cjohnston: thats engough to run 2 vm's tops maybe 1.5
[03:18] <imbrandon> when you build a box to run vm's your talking 32 proc  x 8core with 16tb ram , min
[03:19] <imbrandon> then you can play with some xen goodness :)
[03:19] <imbrandon> sides you dont wanna have to worry about hardware
[03:20] <imbrandon> let someone else worry about it, and makeing it redundant and geo location and all that jaz
[03:20] <imbrandon> embrace the cloud :)
[03:20] <cjohnston> lol
[03:20] <imbrandon> things like my.phpcloud.com for dev are a godsend
[03:21] <imbrandon> infact need an invite ? heh
[03:21] <cjohnston> sure, why not
[03:21] <imbrandon> kk when i get to my email here in a bit i'll shove one your way
[03:21] <cjohnston> ty
[03:22] <cjohnston> any luck with the wsgi?
[03:22] <imbrandon> its a great "dev" box that has 2 insances free
[03:22] <imbrandon> bah got sidetracked, one sec heh
[03:22] <cjohnston> lol
[03:34] <imbrandon> cjohnston: ahh ok i got you fixed up
[03:34] <imbrandon> moved the config to 000-default
[03:34] <cjohnston> ok
[03:34] <imbrandon> and put inside a vhost
[03:34] <imbrandon> and moved to port 80
[03:35] <imbrandon> but it looks like its good now
[03:35] <imbrandon> have at it
[03:36] <cjohnston> http://summit.chrisjohnston.org/
[03:36] <cjohnston> i get a php page
[03:36] <imbrandon> whoop one sec
[03:38] <imbrandon> hrm ok php gone
[03:38] <imbrandon> but still no summit
[03:39] <cjohnston> does the fact that everythings installed in a virtual env matter?
[03:39] <imbrandon> what do you mean virtual env ? that dont mean a lot to me
[03:39] <cjohnston> virtualenvironment
[03:39] <cjohnston> im guessing thats part of it
[03:39] <cjohnston> virtualenv is a tool to create isolated Python environments. We don’t want to install packages system-wide because that can create quite a mess. The following command will install the required development files on Ubuntu or, if you’re running a recent version, you can install them automatically:
[03:40] <imbrandon> oh no and ewwww
[03:40] <imbrandon> that sounds hackish
[03:40] <cjohnston> ya..
[03:40] <cjohnston> thats the problem.. cause django isnt even installed
[03:40] <imbrandon> just install them system wide
[03:41] <imbrandon> i do proper sysadmin stuff, and isolate them as nneeded
[03:41] <imbrandon> not some chroot wannabe
[03:41] <cjohnston> lol
[03:42] <imbrandon> ewww who wrote that , /me goes to look it up
[03:42] <imbrandon> guess thats one reason i never use django :)
[03:43] <cjohnston> you dont have to do it through a virtualenv, but when your dev'ing on your laptop, it makes it easier
[03:44] <imbrandon> ahh yea just do it system wide, this vps will be dedicated to summit stuff
[03:44] <imbrandon> for me and you
[03:44] <imbrandon> eerr s/summit/ubuntu web stuff/
[03:44] <imbrandon> heh
[03:45] <cjohnston> ;-)
[03:46] <imbrandon> and yea 40ish is all, i have a bad domain fetish, dont let me loose with the credit card and godaddy
[03:46] <imbrandon> lol
[03:47] <cjohnston> hrm.. pytz
[03:48] <imbrandon> brandonholtsclaw.com websitedevops.com mygooglepl.us applerepairblog.com ummm pixeldrop.net ummm hell i dunno tons of others, i was the founder of ubnutuwire.com too but religated that to the team
[03:49] <imbrandon> timezone ?
[03:49] <cjohnston> ya
[03:50] <imbrandon> whatever ya want, the server is set to CST i think
[03:50] <imbrandon> but its in new jersey soooo
[03:50] <imbrandon> llol
[03:50] <cjohnston> no
[03:50] <cjohnston> packages
[03:50] <cjohnston> trying to get all this crap installed
[03:50] <imbrandon> ahhh
[03:51] <imbrandon> universe and multi should be enabled but if you need ppa's or something just add em
[03:52] <cjohnston> hrm
[03:52] <cjohnston> still no workie
[03:52] <imbrandon> hell there is probably a xserver on there from when i was expirmenting with wkhtml and qt
[03:52] <imbrandon> whats not working  ?
[03:52] <cjohnston> the site
[03:53] <imbrandon> oh
[03:53] <imbrandon> one sec i'll see if i can get a hello world page going
[03:53] <imbrandon> actualy crap gotta run for ~15 min, then i will brb
[03:54] <imbrandon> before i go, when i get back would a fresh load help ? i can spin up a bare fresh ubnutu 11.10 in less than 20 min
[03:54] <cjohnston> no idea
[03:55] <imbrandon> kk brb
[03:55] <cjohnston> ive never set it up like this
[03:56]  * imbrandon may grab ajmitch and rope him into it lolz
[03:56] <cjohnston> lol
[04:01] <cjohnston> imbrandon: i gotta go.. i have to be up in 5 hours for work... I found http://rc98.net/django_wsgi  I dunno if it will work or not :-/
[04:01] <cjohnston> I'll get with you tomorrow.. maybe mhall119 can help us
[04:01] <cjohnston> thanks for your help imbrandon
[04:01] <imbrandon> ouch , ok cheers
[04:01] <imbrandon> i'll see what i can get done
[04:01] <imbrandon> :)
[04:01] <cjohnston> ty
[04:01] <cjohnston> :-)
[08:08] <damascene> Hi, I'm the operator on ubuntu-l10n-ara mailing list. I'm unable to reset the password. everything I know is https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/admindb/ubuntu-l10n-ara which leads to now where
[08:27] <czajkowski> damascene: are you one of the mailing list admins?
[08:29] <damascene> yes
[08:30] <czajkowski> well you wont be able to reset the password, ther are others on there also,
[08:30] <czajkowski> you'll have to mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and also cc the others so they have the new password .
[08:31] <damascene> we share passwords?
[08:32] <czajkowski> abl at 111virtual.com, uahello at gmail.com  <---- are you one of those two people ?
[08:41] <damascene> czajkowski: I'me the second
[08:41] <czajkowski> dmright so you both are admins and will need th password reset for both of you then
[08:41] <czajkowski> so mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and cc the other person also to let them know the password is changing
[08:43] <damascene> ok
[08:49] <damascene> thanks
[08:49] <czajkowski> np
[09:37] <Amoz> webbot`, help
[09:37] <webbot`> Amoz: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
[09:37] <webbot`> Factoid 'help' not found
[09:37] <Amoz> !ubuntu
[09:37] <webbot`> Amoz: Error: "ubuntu" is not a valid command.
[09:37] <webbot`> Factoid 'ubuntu' not found
[09:37] <Amoz> cjohnston, say hi to webbot`
[09:41] <czajkowski> hmm a new bot in here?
[09:56] <Amoz> czajkowski, yeah I felt we should have one for taking notes and help us in this channel :)
[09:56] <Amoz> at least until we get an official one
[09:56] <czajkowski> Amoz: you're better off asking for the offical one
[09:57] <czajkowski> as it's usually frowned upon bringin in a random bot
[09:57] <Amoz> czajkowski, I think its on its way form what i've heard
[09:57] <Amoz> from*
[09:57] <Amoz> I dont know about the rules of bringing your own, but if someone tells me to remove it I will do that asap
[10:00] <czajkowski> Amoz: ask in #ubuntu-irc please
[10:00] <Amoz> there
[10:01] <Amoz> removing it until further information is collected
[10:01] <czajkowski> Amoz: have you asked in ubuntu-irc ?
[10:02] <Amoz> czajkowski, I will as soon as I have time
[10:02] <czajkowski> ok
[10:02] <Amoz> I'll talk to cjohnston also, to see if one were on its way
[10:02] <Amoz> I think they talked about it just a few days ago..
[10:03] <Amoz> gotta go, cya czajkowski
[13:58] <cjohnston> imbrandon:  no luck getting it running?
[14:24] <IronPatriotNY> Does the LoCo portal/summit use Launchpad OpenID or Ubuntu SSO for user logins?
[14:28] <nigelb> You know it's the same thing right?
[14:28] <nigelb> with different skins
[14:29] <IronPatriotNY> That's what I been somewhat reading but docs on it is scarce.
[14:29] <nigelb> mhall119 wok on isd. we know the authors of the code
[14:29] <IronPatriotNY> I just noticed apps that use Ubuntu SSO directly, such as Ubuntu One, don't have that 'OpenID Provider' page once you're already logged in
[14:30] <nigelb> *worked
[14:31] <mhall119> IronPatriotNY: some sites, like Ubuntu One, are "trusted" by SSO
[14:32] <IronPatriotNY> Oh okay so that's why it does that invisible redirect, okay.
[14:32] <IronPatriotNY> So I should aim to make my code target login.ubuntu.com and not launchpad for future compatibility?
[14:36] <IronPatriotNY> mhall119,
[14:40] <mhall119> IronPatriotNY: yes
[14:41] <IronPatriotNY> mhall119, okay. One more thing, is there some sort of application process to become a trusted site, or is that only reserved from Canonical projects like Ubuntu One?
[14:42] <mhall119> IronPatriotNY: that I'm not sure about, but it's not really important to get that 'trusted' status
[14:42] <IronPatriotNY> Okay then. Thanks for the info.
[16:42] <slick666> hey cjohnston
[16:42] <slick666> been poking at the website build process
[16:42] <slick666> the past couple days
[16:43] <slick666> and it looks like things don't quite build perfectly out-of-the-box on 10.04
[16:43] <slick666> would you consider migrating to 12.04?
[16:45] <jussi> !test
[16:51] <cjohnston> slick666: for summit?
[16:51] <cjohnston> jussi: can we assign custom factoids to our rooms?
[16:51] <jussi> yes
[16:52] <jussi> but there isnt a bot here yet, you need to annoy jpds
[16:52] <cjohnston> sweet.. Amoz ^
[16:52] <cjohnston> jussi: there used to be one
[16:52] <jussi> yes
[16:52] <cjohnston> i don't know what happened but i poked the other way
[16:52] <jussi> ubot4
[16:52] <slick666> yes, for the scheduling
[16:52] <cjohnston> other day
[16:52] <slick666> g2g, plane is boarding
[16:52] <jussi> it disappears regularly. :(
[16:52] <slick666> sry, will email later
[16:52]  * jussi goes feeds the sheep. laters
[16:52] <cjohnston> slick666: we cant yet.. when you get time, let me know and ill help you
[16:52] <nigelb> jussi: wait, you have actual sheep?
[16:53]  * cjohnston is going to annoy jpds  ;-)
[17:05] <imbrandon> cjohnston: nope, gave up last night, will mess with it some more in a lil bit
[17:05] <cjohnston> ok
[17:06] <cjohnston> I'm hoping we can get mhall119's help. please mhall119 ;-)
[17:06] <imbrandon> i got it figured out,
[17:06] <nigelb> what's wrong? (not volunteering to help)
[17:06] <imbrandon> just havent been unlazy yet today
[17:06] <cjohnston> ahh
[17:06] <imbrandon> i was having issue setting up django
[17:06] <cjohnston> c'mon nigelb
[17:06] <cjohnston> trying to set up summit on a server
[17:06] <imbrandon> on a vps for summit
[17:07] <nigelb> right, with virtualenv or system packages?
[17:07] <imbrandon> system
[17:07] <cjohnston> system
[17:07] <nigelb> okay, easier.
[17:07] <nigelb> what went wrong?
[17:07] <imbrandon> much
[17:07] <imbrandon> i had the server configured for a custom zend server install
[17:07] <imbrandon> had to basicly redo all my nginx stuff
[17:07] <imbrandon> :)
[17:08] <nigelb> oh boy.
[17:08] <cjohnston> sorry imbrandon ;-)
[17:08] <imbrandon> oh yea , thus the not being unlazy yet today
[17:08] <imbrandon> no worries cjohnston
[17:08] <imbrandon> :)
[17:08] <nigelb> I can see how that can be a pain :)
[17:08] <nigelb> for some strange reason, I find nginx more easier than apache.
[17:08] <imbrandon> much
[17:08] <nigelb> the configs look cleaner.
[17:08]  * imbrandon hearts nginx
[17:09] <nigelb> haha
[17:09] <nigelb> me too
[17:09] <nigelb> work uses nginx for everything but production.
[17:09] <imbrandon> i only use apache when absolutely nessesary and even then its proxied behind nginx
[17:09] <nigelb> production existed before I came. And it needs some php.
[17:09] <nigelb> So I let it be.
[17:09] <imbrandon> nigelb: all i use i php
[17:09] <imbrandon> :)
[17:09] <nigelb> aww, I feel sorry for you :P
[17:10] <cjohnston> we are going to make imbrandon a django guy
[17:10] <cjohnston> heh
[17:10] <imbrandon> nah been doing it for years  litterly like 14 or 15 now
[17:10] <imbrandon> i doubt it many have tried
[17:10] <imbrandon> even stole my laptop at a uds one time trying
[17:10] <cjohnston> lol
[17:10] <imbrandon> i HATE python , it has its place but not on the web :)
[17:11] <cjohnston> well.. then as long as you help me with css then we will compromise
[17:11] <imbrandon> sounds like a deal :)
[17:11] <cjohnston> lol
[17:12] <imbrandon> i think seveas was the last person trying to get me on the django train with falcon
[17:12] <imbrandon> heh
[17:12] <imbrandon> seriously though if i need to use something other than php it will be ruby
[17:12] <daker> PHP = People Hates Perl/Python
[17:13] <imbrandon> i just tollerate python for the sake of ubuntu
[17:13] <imbrandon> hehe
[17:13] <imbrandon> well now i have some perl love, apt-mirror is 100% perl :)
[17:14] <imbrandon> and being "upstream" or whatever ya wanna call it for that i kinda have to like it and all , hehe
[17:15] <imbrandon> although this latest rails feasco on github had me LOLing too, it was like php4 all over again
[17:15] <imbrandon> nigelb: but yea php-fpm + nginx == love like no other, its a php developers dream
[17:16] <imbrandon> strap on a apache server behind it proxied for legacy cruft and your golden
[17:16] <cjohnston> imbrandon: I'll have to get you to help me setup nginx again.. I even wrote a tutorial on it in the past, but a few months ago when I tried following it, it didnt work so well for me
[17:16] <imbrandon> cjohnston: sure thing
[17:16] <cjohnston> :-)
[17:17] <imbrandon> i'm gonna make a blog post in the next day or so about how to squeeze 7kish rps out of nginx and php running a full drupal stack on a 512mb ram vps
[17:17] <imbrandon> :)
[17:18] <daker> newz2000, why the wiki header is not #dd4814 ?
[17:18] <newz2000> I don't know, actually. The designers gave me that theme and I've been curious about it myself.
[17:19] <daker> newz2000, where should we fill bugs about it
[17:19] <daker> ?
[17:20] <newz2000> That is a tough call. I think I'd put it on ubunth-website-content and it may need to be refilled.
[17:20] <newz2000> The original premise was that the community theme should differ slightly from the main theme so that they feel connected but there is a distinction.
[17:20] <imbrandon> cjohnston: i'll get un-laxy here in the next hour or so and fixup the box though
[17:20] <imbrandon> fyi
[17:20] <cjohnston> Sweet
[17:20] <imbrandon> un-lazy*
[17:20] <cjohnston> I have some stuff I'm ready to work on
[17:20] <imbrandon> k
[17:22] <mhall119> cjohnston: you need an apache config for summit wsgi?
[17:22] <imbrandon> grab anything you want from that vps btw, if you put anything unique on it, gonna blow it away when i fixer up
[17:22] <jussi> what the heck? its an imbrandon! Hello imbrandon!
[17:22] <cjohnston> mhall119: if you have one, sure
[17:22] <cjohnston> imbrandon: nope
[17:22] <mhall119> cjohnston: I don't currently, but I can make you one
[17:22] <imbrandon> mhall119: that would rock
[17:22] <cjohnston> mhall119: imbrandon ^^
[17:23] <imbrandon> mhall119: if you have a list of req packages too for a sys wide install that would be icing on the cake
[17:23] <mhall119> cjohnston: do you know where m_3 is installing it with his charm?
[17:24] <cjohnston> no
[17:24] <mhall119> imbrandon: should all be in the requirements.txt and the Makefile's make depends
[17:24] <imbrandon> kk
[17:24] <imbrandon> yea the makefile seemed to require virtualenv i was doing this by hand
[17:24] <imbrandon> to avaoid that
[17:24] <imbrandon> avoid
[17:25] <imbrandon> once its setup i'll make a ami from it
[17:25] <cjohnston> imbrandon: want to create a 'summit' user and set up mhall119 and myself?
[17:26] <imbrandon> sure i can do that
[17:26] <cjohnston> sweet. ty
[17:26] <Amoz> hi gais
[17:26] <cjohnston> hey Amoz
[17:26] <imbrandon> ello
[17:27] <m_3> mhall119: yo
[17:28] <mhall119> m_3: cjohnston: http://paste.ubuntu.com/882078/ should do it (I haven't tested it though)
[17:28] <cjohnston> wow.. and m_3.. i think everyones here!
[17:28] <cjohnston> thanks mhall119
[17:29] <Amoz> everyone?
[17:30] <cjohnston> well.. who else could be here?
[17:30] <cjohnston> lol
[17:30] <Amoz> santa claus
[17:30] <Amoz> :D
[17:30] <cjohnston> mhall119: they dont like our side bar idea
[17:30] <mhall119> oh well
[17:31] <svwilliams> cjohnston, they don't like it :-(
[17:31] <cjohnston> mhall119: they suggest doing a little box like the social box i made
[17:31] <cjohnston> svwilliams: no
[17:31] <cjohnston> :-(
[17:31] <svwilliams> :-(
[17:31] <cjohnston> I'm not ruling it out
[17:32] <cjohnston> I'm gonna try their recommendation and see how it works
[17:32] <Amoz> is this about summit?
[17:32] <cjohnston> we dont have to follow their suggestion
[17:32] <cjohnston> Amoz: ya
[17:33] <Amoz> what's your sidebar idea, and who don't like it?
[17:33]  * Amoz is lost
[17:33] <daker> cjohnston, little box for ?
[17:33] <cjohnston> daker: links
[17:33] <cjohnston> Amoz: we have run out of room in the sub-nav for links, so I want to move all "calls to action" to their own area
[17:34] <cjohnston> there is an example on design.u.c for landscape that has a sidebar
[17:34] <cjohnston> which i wanted to do for summit
[17:34] <cjohnston> the webteam doesnt like it
[17:34] <Amoz> I can understand them, sort of
[17:34] <Amoz> it would be nice to have all nav in one place
[17:34] <Amoz> basic HCI
[17:35] <Amoz> on the other hand, what choices do we have?
[17:35] <cjohnston> Amoz: we dont have enough room to do them all there
[17:36] <Amoz> then there's not much you can do I guess :P
[17:37] <Amoz> did the webteam propose something else?
[17:37] <cjohnston> ya.. kinda
[17:37] <svwilliams> cjohnston, its meant to be a logged in menu too right?
[17:37] <jussi> !test
[17:38] <cjohnston> svwilliams: no.. thats staying up top
[17:38] <Amoz> great :D
[17:38] <Amoz> hi ubottu
[17:38] <svwilliams> no sorry not what I mean
[17:38] <svwilliams> I meant when you log in
[17:38] <svwilliams> your "options" to do things
[17:38] <svwilliams> like schedule a meeting etc
[17:38] <cjohnston> ya... "calls to action"
[17:38] <svwilliams> were going to appear to the left
[17:38] <svwilliams> Yup
[17:38] <cjohnston> give me a few to try their idea and we can go from there
[17:38] <daker> !gender
[17:39] <svwilliams> so its not the same as the sub nav links ... I can kind of see it both ways
[17:39] <svwilliams> sounds good!
[17:39] <cjohnston> well, right now subnav has action links
[17:39] <cjohnston> but im adding a bunch more
[17:39] <Amoz> are they really "central" to navigation then?
[17:40] <cjohnston> the action links arent
[17:40] <Amoz> I'd vote for the launchpad style
[17:40] <Amoz> unless someone else has a better idea
[17:41] <Amoz> cjohnston, that's what you meant, sidebar with actions related to the specific page you're on
[17:41] <Amoz> right?
[17:41] <cjohnston> ya
[17:42] <Amoz> or a sub sub nav
[17:44] <mhall119> cjohnston: they don't have to use it if they  don't like it, shouldn't stop you from putting it in summit
[17:44] <cjohnston> mhall119: I asked for feedback.. I'm going to try their idea, and then we can decide
[17:44] <mhall119> ok
[17:46] <Amoz> who's responsible for paste.u.c? :)
[17:46] <cjohnston> noone really
[17:46] <cjohnston> thats why it has bugs
[17:46] <Amoz> who has access to it then? :P
[17:47] <cjohnston> IS
[17:47] <Amoz> IS?
[17:48] <cjohnston> the sysadmins
[17:48] <Amoz> ah
[17:48] <Amoz> maybe we could get the source out on LP
[17:48] <cjohnston> battles been fought in the past, i doubt it
[17:49] <Amoz> okay, keep it closed then, but let someone have a look at it
[17:49] <Amoz> for instance, me ^^
[17:49] <Amoz> anyway, gotta leave for a while
[17:49] <Amoz> bbl
[17:49] <Amoz> btw how's the summit branch coming along?
[17:50] <Amoz> almost finished? whats left?
[17:50] <cjohnston> i made one push, once we get it to brandon's server he's gonna play
[17:56] <nigelb> niceguyjames? sounds like elmo :P
[17:56]  * niceguyjames is not elmo!
[18:14] <jussi> nigelb: aww you made him quit!
[18:15] <nigelb> awww
[18:27] <mhall119> it's elmo in disguise
[18:28] <mhall119> you blew his cover
[18:32] <nigelb> mhall119: You're serious?
[18:33] <cjohnston> mhall119: nigelb Amoz imbrandon http://summit.chrisjohnston.org/
[19:00] <mhall119> nigelb: I have no idea
[19:00] <nigelb> lol
[19:17] <cjohnston> mhall119: nigelb Amoz imbrandon http://ubuntuone.com/1bQrKI3Hsa5uz6emMJhEP0  <-- design teams suggestion
[19:18] <cjohnston> mhall119: nigelb Amoz imbrandon http://ubuntuone.com/3fb4KkUjfmRFc4ob9QtEQm <-- the way svwilliams did it for us
[19:18] <cjohnston> svwilliams: ^^
[19:19] <cjohnston> feedback guys
[19:19] <cjohnston> newz2000: do you have thoughts too?
[19:19] <newz2000> thoughts on what?
[19:19] <cjohnston> the two ideas above
[19:20] <cjohnston> For summit
[19:20] <cjohnston> newz2000: we ran out of room in the subnav, so we are trying to create an "call for action" area for links
[19:20] <newz2000> I like the .bmp version for a cta
[19:20] <cjohnston> my idea implemented by svwilliams  is the second one, based upon landscape
[19:20] <nigelb> I obviously like the design team suggestion
[19:21] <newz2000> which one is which?
[19:21] <cjohnston> newz2000: theirs is the first one.. http://ubuntuone.com/1bQrKI3Hsa5uz6emMJhEP0
[19:22] <newz2000> I think that looks ugly and is inconsistent with other websites
[19:22] <newz2000> and it extends the width of the page which could be problematic
[19:22] <newz2000> let me be clear, I prefer the one with the CTA on the right side, inside the content area
[19:22] <cjohnston> ok
[19:23] <cjohnston> nigelb: you do too
[19:23] <cjohnston> mhall119: ?
[19:23] <cjohnston> svwilliams:
[19:23] <nigelb> cjohnston: yeah, what newz2000 said.
[19:24]  * newz2000 still isn't clear which one he voted for. :-)
[19:24] <newz2000> oh, I guess I voted for the design team since nigelb agreed
[19:24] <cjohnston> newz2000: that is the design teams idea
[19:25] <mhall119> cjohnston: I really don't care which we use
[19:25]  * newz2000 won't be using it either way so doesn't care either
[19:26] <nigelb> cjohnston: newz2000 pretty expresed all my problems with the one you suggested.
[19:26] <cjohnston> ok
[19:26] <nigelb> It will look great on a big screen. Suck *everywhere* else.
[19:29] <cjohnston> mhall119: sponsorship question...
[19:29] <cjohnston> {% ifequal summit.state "sponsor" %} <li><a class="sub-nav-item" href="/{{ summit.name }}/sponsorship">Request Sponsorship</a></li> {% if perms.sponsor.add_sponsorshipscore %} <li><a class="sub-nav-item" href="/{{ summit.name }}/suggestsponsorship">Suggest Sponsorship</a></li> {% endif %}
[19:29] <cjohnston> {% endifequal %}
[19:29] <cjohnston> {% ifequal summit.state "review" %} {% if perms.sponsor.add_sponsorshipscore %} <li><a class="sub-nav-item" href="/{{ summit.name }}/sponsorship/review">Review Sponsorship Requests</a></li> {% endif %}
[19:29] <cjohnston> {% endifequal %}
[19:29] <cjohnston> is Suggest Sponsorship only for employees?
[19:29] <cjohnston> thats what it shows here
[19:40] <imbrandon> cjohnston: sweet
[19:45] <Amoz> cjohnston, whyyyy do you use bmp
[19:45] <Amoz> hmm the design team's proposal was fugly
[19:45] <Amoz> assymetric, still creative
[19:46] <Amoz> but I'd rather stick with the "keep content inside"
[19:52] <mhall119> cjohnston: yes
[19:55]  * imbrandon is back
[20:56] <cjohnston> mhall119: I don't rememebr getting an answer.. Managers, schedulers and track leads should all be allowed to review meetings correct?
[20:56] <cjohnston> I think that's kinda the way it is now with ~uds-organizers and ~connect-organizers
[21:00] <Amoz> cjohnston, update me
[21:00] <cjohnston> ?
[21:00] <cjohnston> with what
[21:01] <cjohnston> Amoz: can you work on the track lead page? making it into rows
[21:01] <Amoz> wat do
[21:01] <Amoz> YES!!!! YES PLEASE
[21:01] <Amoz> MAKE ME WORK
[21:01] <Amoz> uhm.. sorry
[21:01] <cjohnston> there ya go
[21:01] <Amoz> track lead?
[21:02] <cjohnston> http://summit.chrisjohnston.org/uds-p/tracks
[21:02] <Amoz> rows?
[21:03] <Amoz> it's in rows right now?
[21:04] <cjohnston> its in <ul><li> rows right now
[21:04] <cjohnston> it should, with the new css use their rows
[21:04] <Amoz> ah
[21:04] <Amoz> k
[21:04] <Amoz> anything else?
[21:04] <cjohnston> that for now
[21:05] <Amoz> k
[21:05] <cjohnston> im trying to do something still
[21:05] <mhall119> cjohnston: re: who can review meetings, you'll need to figure out what the organizers want, but that seems reasonable
[21:05] <cjohnston> It seems to me that is what the teams contain
[21:24] <Amoz> cjohnston, is it okay if I change from 4 per row to 3?
[21:25] <cjohnston> I'd rather stay 4
[21:25] <Amoz> in that case we have to rethink
[21:25] <cjohnston> shouldnt be a reason it cant
[21:25] <cjohnston> why
[21:25] <Amoz> yes there is
[21:25] <Amoz> the innerwrapper is just 940
[21:25] <Amoz> we need 960 if we gonna use their grid
[21:26] <Amoz> span-3 * 4 = 12, is based on 960px
[21:26] <cjohnston> how does it work on other pages then
[21:27] <Amoz> THAT is an awesome question
[21:27] <Amoz> hold on, I think I missed the "last" class
[21:32] <Amoz> cjohnston, how to do an if .. else .. in the template?
[21:32] <Amoz> just put an else-tag between if and endif?
[21:34] <Amoz> nvm
[21:34] <Amoz> got it working
[21:35] <Amoz> hacked it
[21:35] <Amoz> :D
[21:35] <cjohnston> {% if .... %}ok
[21:35] <cjohnston> uggh
[21:35] <cjohnston> ok
[21:36] <Amoz> cjohnston, pushed
[21:37] <cjohnston> Amoz: link again please
[21:37] <Amoz> to?
[21:37] <Amoz> branch or server
[21:37] <Amoz> ?
[21:38] <Amoz> http://amoz.dyndns.org:8080/uds-p/tracks
[21:38] <Amoz> https://code.launchpad.net/~fougner/+junk/summit
[21:38] <Amoz> there
[21:38] <Amoz> :)
[21:38] <Amoz> bzr rules
[21:41] <cjohnston> Amoz: before line 7 add <div class="row">
[21:41] <cjohnston> change the current line 7 class="span-12"
[21:42] <cjohnston> line 9 add </div>
[21:42] <cjohnston> once you do that ill refresh the page
[21:44] <Amoz> exactly what lines are you referring to?
[21:44] <cjohnston> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~fougner/+junk/summit/view/head:/summit/schedule/templates/schedule/tracks.html
[21:44] <cjohnston> the <h1> needs to be inside a row
[21:45] <Amoz> well, it is. kind of
[21:45] <Amoz> the website_base template has a section class="row"
[21:46] <cjohnston> why
[21:46] <cjohnston> it isnt showing up correctly
[21:46] <cjohnston> http://summit.chrisjohnston.org/uds-p/  <-- there is a big gap between the subnav and the h1
[21:47] <Amoz> if you start using the chrome developer tools you can easily see the reason =)
[21:49] <cjohnston> ok.. thats wrong
[21:49] <Amoz> what is?
[21:49] <cjohnston> rows should all be inside of blocks
[21:49] <cjohnston> not outside of blocks
[21:50] <Amoz> I dont see your point
[21:51] <Amoz> I think steve edwards told us about this thing as well
[21:51] <Amoz> if one use the grid system, it will automatically put margin-top on it
[21:51] <Amoz> also, I didn't change anything on the uds-p page afaik
[21:52] <imbrandon> no :alpha and :omega setup in the css ?
[21:52] <cjohnston> Amoz: yes, we should use it, but it needs to be in the blocks, not out
[21:52] <cjohnston> giill fix in a sec
[21:52] <Amoz> o.O
[21:52] <Amoz> wat
[21:53] <imbrandon> ...
[21:53] <imbrandon> grid system inside blocks ?
[21:53]  * imbrandon thinks somehting is backwards
[21:53] <Amoz> cjohnston, could you explain please?
[21:57] <Amoz> cjohnston, I fixed the header thing on the track page
[21:58] <Amoz> now it has the margin-top as well
[21:58] <Amoz> if that's what you meant
[21:58] <Amoz> or do you think somethings wrong on the uds-p page?
[21:59] <cjohnston> imbrandon: the template blocks
[21:59] <Amoz> also, can I remove the <article class="main-content"> tag?
[21:59] <cjohnston> the template blocks are where the content goes
[21:59] <cjohnston> you cant put the grid outside the block
[21:59] <imbrandon> umm why couldent you, grid system should live outside everything ...
[22:00] <Amoz> cjohnston, could you point to an actual piece of code?
[22:00] <Amoz> I think we'll better understand whats wrong if you could do that
[22:00] <cjohnston> ok...
[22:01] <cjohnston> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/ubuntu-community-webthemes/more-theme-work/view/head:/templates/website_base.html
[22:01] <cjohnston> website_base.html
[22:01] <cjohnston> {% block content %} {% endblock %}
[22:02] <cjohnston> whatever you put in that block in website_base.html gets replaced with whatever content you put in that block in other template pages
[22:03] <cjohnston> if you put a row outside of that block (in website_base) and then put a row inside that block on say summit.html you are nesting rows.. you have a row inside of a row
[22:03] <imbrandon> thats an error in the base_html.html i have been harping on the last 2 days ,its absolutely wrong and needs to be updated, and yes the grid absolutely needs to live outside of those
[22:03] <imbrandon> its what its for
[22:03] <imbrandon> seperation of code and presentation
[22:03] <cjohnston> imbrandon: then you only have 1 row
[22:03] <cjohnston> period
[22:03] <imbrandon> no
[22:03] <cjohnston> how do you not
[22:03] <Amoz> hold on
[22:03] <imbrandon> thats not even close to right
[22:03] <cjohnston> there is only one block content
[22:03] <Amoz> cjohnston, is right imbrandon
[22:04] <Amoz> he's just describing it in another way
[22:04] <Amoz> he's saying, we should put all the row-declarations in each and every subtemplate
[22:04] <imbrandon> yea i am trying to think of it in your terms but yea
[22:04] <cjohnston> yes.. what he just said
[22:04] <Amoz> instead of having one row in the base template
[22:04] <imbrandon> eaxctly
[22:05] <imbrandon> this code is very very wrong, its like its 3 years old
[22:05] <imbrandon> or more
[22:05] <imbrandon> this is exactly what i was refering to
[22:05] <cjohnston> ok.. lp:~chrisjohnston/ubuntu-community-webthemes/more-theme-work is updated
[22:05] <Amoz> so, just remove the section.row in the base template?
[22:06] <cjohnston> its removed
[22:06] <Amoz> ah
[22:06] <cjohnston> just cd ubuntu_website
[22:06] <Amoz> is it?
[22:06] <cjohnston> bzr merge lp:~chrisjohnston/ubuntu-community-webthemes/more-theme-work
[22:07] <Amoz> so
[22:07] <cjohnston> summit.chrisjohnston.org is now correct
[22:07] <imbrandon> wooot
[22:08] <imbrandon> i've got about 80% of the css updates
[22:08] <cjohnston> Amoz: if you can finish your track page branch, then ill get it merged to summit.chrisjohnston.org
[22:08] <cjohnston> imbrandon: for the grid page?
[22:08] <imbrandon> then i'm gonna wrangle the base into submission and just show ya with code what i mean :)
[22:08] <imbrandon> cjohnston: yea
[22:08] <cjohnston> cool
[22:08] <Amoz> wow
[22:08] <Amoz> that was a huge diff cjohnston
[22:09] <Amoz> what did you do ?
[22:09] <Amoz> uhm
[22:09] <Amoz> you messed it up cjohnston
[22:10] <cjohnston> ?
[22:10] <Amoz> the footer is inside the inner wrapper now
[22:10] <Amoz> need to be careful with those divs
[22:10] <Amoz> on the usd-p
[22:10] <Amoz> uds-p
[22:10] <Amoz> *
[22:12] <Amoz> cjohnston, I pushed my branch now
[22:12] <imbrandon> ok and i got to ask something here , what are we doing ? i mean are we recreativng the uds page ? ... or improvving something ... or i'm totally lost in this respct
[22:12] <Amoz> everything looks good in my branch afai can see
[22:12] <imbrandon> like the mobule and display views should not be seperate
[22:12] <Amoz> and now I'm going to bed :)
[22:12] <Amoz> gnite guys
[22:13] <cjohnston> gnite
[22:13] <imbrandon> that should use media queries
[22:13] <cjohnston> imbrandon: updating the theme to the new guidelines
[22:13] <imbrandon> ngiht
[22:13] <imbrandon> ok thats much less than what we have going here
[22:13] <imbrandon> thats like a 10 minute thing
[22:13] <imbrandon> ... what am i missing
[22:13] <cjohnston> we had to rework the html for it
[22:14] <cjohnston> it wasnt just drag and drop
[22:14] <imbrandon> and why did we not start from the current tthen ?
[22:14] <imbrandon> ummm still 10 minutes
[22:14] <cjohnston> what do you mean
[22:14] <Amoz> imbrandon, if you think it is 10 minutes, then go ahead and do it :)
[22:14] <imbrandon> i mean we;re trying to look like uds but we;re not
[22:14] <imbrandon> but we are
[22:14] <cjohnston> the html across the site is having to be reworked
[22:14] <cjohnston> imbrandon: we are trying to match the guidelines on design.ubuntu.com
[22:14] <cjohnston> which will look quite similar to uds
[22:14] <imbrandon> thats what i;m missing where now
[22:15] <imbrandon> "the site" dont mean a lot to me
[22:15] <cjohnston> across summit
[22:15] <cjohnston> the html across summit is having to be reworked
[22:16] <imbrandon> ... ok so we started with the uds.u.c theme in the summit software and are updatiung it to the new guidelines ?
[22:16] <cjohnston> yes
[22:16] <cjohnston> they gave us the css, now we are making summit work with the css
[22:16] <imbrandon> then how does this not even come close to matcging up
[22:16] <cjohnston> (they == canonical)
[22:16] <imbrandon> ...
[22:16] <cjohnston> because we didn't call anything what they decided to call it
[22:16] <imbrandon> css != theme
[22:16] <imbrandon> so we dident
[22:17] <imbrandon> and we;re recreating it ?
[22:17] <imbrandon> huh ?
[22:17] <cjohnston> we are renaming stuff in the html to match what its called in the css
[22:17] <imbrandon> whoa back up here, why ?
[22:17] <cjohnston> and the new css broke a thing or two that summit had completely custom
[22:17] <imbrandon> well yea thats because its the wrong way
[22:17] <cjohnston> its either that or rename the stuff in the css to match what its called in summit
[22:18] <imbrandon> it shoudl break
[22:18] <imbrandon> ....
[22:18] <imbrandon> what ?
[22:18] <imbrandon> no no no
[22:18] <imbrandon> lets back up
[22:18] <imbrandon> so back to what we started with
[22:18] <imbrandon> summit software , that was the old branding ...
[22:18] <cjohnston> correct
[22:18] <cjohnston> that we created
[22:19] <imbrandon> then you got css only from canonical
[22:19] <cjohnston> so we named things what we wnated
[22:19] <cjohnston> yes
[22:19] <imbrandon> thats used on uds.u.c
[22:19] <cjohnston> yes
[22:19] <imbrandon> and your racking your head to make it work
[22:19] <imbrandon> ...
[22:19] <imbrandon> >.<
[22:19] <cjohnston> I must be missing something
[22:19] <Amoz> me too
[22:19] <cjohnston> we are taking their css and making summit work with it
[22:19] <Amoz> are you making fun of us imbrandon ?
[22:19] <imbrandon> no i dont think so i think i just got why you all dont see this as a 10 minutes thing
[22:20] <imbrandon> no not at all Amoz
[22:20] <cjohnston> ok..
[22:20] <imbrandon> seriously
[22:20] <imbrandon> Amoz: not in the slightesty
[22:20] <Amoz> imbrandon, if you can do it in 10 minutes, do it and show us instead of discussing this
[22:20] <imbrandon> genuinely trying to wrap my head on it
[22:20] <cjohnston> imbrandon: we called the main navigation main-nav, they call it nav-primary
[22:20] <imbrandon> Amoz: i'm not saying i can, i'm asking why it wasent
[22:20] <cjohnston> so we have to rename one of the two
[22:20] <cjohnston> and its like this for EVERY single thing on the site
[22:20] <cjohnston> none of it matches
[22:21] <imbrandon> cjohnston: ok lets step back from there ... one sec ... ok sooo
[22:21] <imbrandon> if we did not use their css , and only updated it to the new guildlines
[22:21] <imbrandon> wouldent that make MUCH more sense
[22:21] <Amoz> imbrandon, we want their css and design
[22:21] <imbrandon> why try to wrangle somewthing into submission just for the sake
[22:21] <imbrandon> Amoz: ok then lets use it
[22:22] <imbrandon> Amoz: ALL of it
[22:22] <Amoz> yeah
[22:22] <imbrandon> not just the css
[22:22] <Amoz> that's what we do
[22:22] <Amoz> we cant
[22:22] <imbrandon> get all of it from them
[22:22] <Amoz> we can't just take their basic theme
[22:22] <Amoz> it's just an example index.html
[22:22] <imbrandon> why not ? IP ? then we cant recreate it either
[22:22] <cjohnston> imbrandon: we are hoping by changing tyre html to theirs, their next update will be drag and drop.
[22:23] <imbrandon> cjohnston: not likely
[22:23] <cjohnston> gtg.. work
[22:23] <Amoz> imbrandon, it will be easier then
[22:23] <imbrandon> cjohnston: updates are far more than css
[22:23] <Amoz> not design updates :)
[22:23] <Amoz> that's what css is for
[22:23] <imbrandon> ... Amoz , no and yes design updates
[22:23] <imbrandon> umm sure and so is markup and js
[22:23] <Amoz> they can hopefully use the same html structure and just rework the css
[22:24] <imbrandon> ...
[22:24] <Amoz> ...
[22:24] <Amoz> what are you trying to get at?
[22:24] <imbrandon> if its the same software why not use the same theme  ?
[22:24] <imbrandon> why are we doing this the hard way is what i'm getting at
[22:24] <Amoz> what's your solution then?
[22:25] <imbrandon> we;re doing all this to make it easier next time when it really is not, we'll have the same issues, we either need to use thier stuff 100% or ours and been done with this already
[22:25] <imbrandon> Amoz: DRY is my solution
[22:25] <Amoz> imbrandon, go for it :)
[22:25] <imbrandon> i dont have a "solution" but DRY is the best i can surmise
[22:26] <imbrandon> Amoz: i'm not trying to be confrontational seriously
[22:26] <Amoz> UDS is not the same software afaik
[22:26] <Amoz> cjohnston would hopefully been smart enough to not try to port a theme if it already existed in UDS
[22:27] <imbrandon> pretty sure it is or was, either way its django templates i can almost garentee
[22:27] <Amoz> so we're just reworking the summit templates to work with Canonicals new styles
[22:27] <imbrandon> why would canonical not use summit, they used to, thats how it came about
[22:27] <imbrandon> i'm fairly certain it is
[22:28] <imbrandon> either way though they are both just django templates in reality
[22:28] <Amoz> you're referring to http://uds.ubuntu.com/event/
[22:28] <Amoz> right?
[22:28] <imbrandon> even if not the same
[22:28] <Amoz> with the new theme
[22:28]  * imbrandon looks
[22:29] <Amoz> see what happens if you press the links there, UDS tracks or UDS Schedule
[22:29] <imbrandon> more specificly http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/
[22:29] <Amoz> yes
[22:29] <Amoz> and that site is using the old theme! *gasp*
[22:29] <Amoz> and that's the site we're porting to the new guidelines/styles/ everything
[22:29] <Amoz> awesomeness in a box
[22:29] <Amoz> and I've gotta go to bed now
[22:30] <Amoz> nice talking to ya, gnite :)
[22:30] <imbrandon> yes ... but why are we using paty
[22:30] <imbrandon> part and notall
[22:30] <imbrandon> gnight
[22:52] <cjohnston> imbrandon:  uds.u.c is wp
[22:54] <imbrandon> yea i looked and u.c is drupal
[22:54] <cjohnston> qya
[22:54] <imbrandon> so where did this css come from ?
[22:54] <imbrandon> what bzr branch
[22:54] <imbrandon> so we know where to get it "next time"
[22:55] <imbrandon> and can progmaticly build it
[22:55] <cjohnston> they emailed me
[22:55] <imbrandon> is it from the wp theme or the drupal theme ? or ...
[22:55] <cjohnston> but the entire thing, including hard coded content is lp.net/uds-project
[22:56] <cjohnston> they stripped out everything php and all the hatrdcoded content
[22:56] <cjohnston> hardcoded
[22:56] <cjohnston> dinner time
[22:56] <imbrandon> see that matters if your changing the markup, i've scrapped what i was doing in favor of i'm just gonna rework this properly and show you and Amoz instead of trying to explain it while i'm blue in the face
[22:57] <cjohnston> ok
[23:37] <cjohnston> imbrandon: hows it going
[23:37] <imbrandon> cjohnston: good good
[23:37] <cjohnston> g2g
[23:38] <imbrandon> managed to wragle a copy of the Ubuntu Core Front End Framework, should make this much smoother, will have something in a few hours
[23:38] <imbrandon> push to lp
[23:38] <imbrandon> pushed*
[23:57] <imbrandon> cjohnston: your summit branch is missing files ?
[23:58] <imbrandon> i see no website_base in here
[23:58] <imbrandon> but its being extended


[03:03] <thafreak> Anyone have any experience with these new "green" hard drives?
[03:03] <vorian> thafreak: yeah, I have 2
[03:03] <vorian> work just fine
[03:08] <BiosElement> Nice.   I'm RMAing it directly with WD.. they do advance ship. :)
[03:11] <Cheri703> I'm REALLY hoping everything arrives in good working order for my client's computer :(
[03:11] <Cheri703> very nice!
[03:12] <Cheri703> got the first item today, keyboard had to ship separately, was in a box that could have held 12 >.<
[03:13] <canthus13> Cheri703: That's where all the shipping charges go...
[03:13] <Cheri703> yeah
[03:18]  * Cheri703 is antsy tonight, but has nothing to vent the energy on
[03:19] <thafreak> Anyone know if there are issues with those green drives in software raid?
[03:19] <thafreak> I thought I read some where that certain WD drives aren't supposed to be used in raid...which I thought was nonsense...but who knows these days
[03:29] <Cheri703> blurgh
[03:38] <canthus13> thafreak: Check the reviews on newegg.  They usually mention stuff like that.
[03:48] <Unit193> Hello TheErk!
[03:57] <TheErk> Greetings programs!
[05:44] <BiosElement> U.S. Government Shuts Down 84,000 Websites, ‘By Mistake’
[05:44] <BiosElement> http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-government-shuts-down-84000-websites-by-mistake-110216/
[05:44] <BiosElement> Awesome
[05:44] <BiosElement> Failure
[05:44] <BiosElement> Again
[05:45]  * Cheri703 wants her own island
[05:46] <Cheri703> sovereignty ftw
[05:50] <BiosElement> Ah
[05:51] <BiosElement> Oh for the Microsoft freesoftware 'ban', that's bullshit.
[05:51] <BiosElement> "Excluded License" means any license requiring, as a condition of use, modification and/or distribution of the software subject to the license, that the software or other software combined and/or distributed with it be (i) disclosed or distributed in source code form; (ii) licensed for the purpose of making derivative works; or (iii) redistributable at no charge. Excluded Licenses include, but are not limited to the GPLv3 Licenses. For the
[05:51] <BiosElement> purpose of this definition, "GPLv3 Licenses" means the GNU General Public License version 3, the GNU Affero General Public License version 3, the GNU Lesser General Public License version 3, and any equivalents to the foregoing."
[05:51] <BiosElement> ^GPL is the key issue, from mypoking around, MIT'd and similer are fine.
[05:51] <BiosElement> GPL is an issue since it's specifically designed to break systems like the 360 >.<
[05:52] <BiosElement> Which is why I always laugh at people developing GPL stuff for console
[06:23] <Unit193> Any #! users try the XFCE version?
[15:49] <thafreak> Morning Ohio
[17:34] <BiosElement> Never buy a product from Sony. Ever.
[17:34] <BiosElement> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110217/00210313145/sony-continues-to-attack-ps3-jailbreakers-threatens-to-cut-them-off-playstation-network.shtml
[17:34] <BiosElement> They will simply steal it back.
[17:34] <Cheri703> saw that
[17:34] <BiosElement> It's amazing
[17:35] <BiosElement> THey even advertised their other-os feature, then steals it away. I can't understand how they think they can get away with that.
[17:41] <Unit193> What would you prefer? an Xbox? (or Wii)
[17:43] <Cheri703> I'd take an older ps3...
[17:43] <Cheri703> that still had the features
[17:44] <BiosElement> Heh Me? Well I own an Xbox, but i'd probably prefer a Wii anymore
[17:44] <Unit193> Would you use alt f/w? (I think I would... I don't think online play is all that needed)
[17:44] <BiosElement> Even if nintendo needs to get off their assd and get a console with a real freaken graphics system
[17:49] <BiosElement> Apple tells developers to jump off clif: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gav1C8LP4pQ
[17:49] <Cheri703> my brother is giving his wii to a coworker who gave him a nexus one a few months ago
[17:50]  * Cheri703 thinks it should go to his awesome sister :(
[17:55] <canthus13> Heh.
[23:49] <dmcglone> Hiya all
[23:50] <dmcglone> I'm running the new KDE 4.6
[23:50] <dmcglone> it seems pretty nice. but sort of a pain the butt to customize
[23:52] <Cheri703> hola
[23:53] <dmcglone> why you hollering at me ;-)
[23:54]  * Cheri703 did not say holla
[23:55] <dmcglone> lol


[16:31] <Pendulum> argh, I get so annoyed with the trash talking about Ubuntu a11y in other a11y groups when people then don't try to *do* anything
[16:36] <Pendulum> AlanBell: can I run some things by you?
[16:37] <AlanBell> sure
[16:37] <AlanBell> oh, but maybe later
[16:40] <Pendulum> AlanBell: you've got a PM for whenever you get around to it :)
[17:18] <UndiFineD> Pendulum: the people in #opensuse-a11y are very friendly
[17:19] <Pendulum> yeah, I phrased that badly
[17:19] <Pendulum> Gnome A11y is also friendly
[17:20] <UndiFineD> Pendulum: but what you say may be true, #drupal-accessibility  and #gentoo-accessibility are pretty much dead
[17:20] <Pendulum> just got sick of hearing people complain that accessibility features on Ubuntu aren't tested
[17:21] <Pendulum> because it's always people on non-Ubuntu lists doing the complaining
[20:55] <Pendulum> jono: do you have time for a quick PM?
[23:37] <hajour> Pendulum, if i have  a good working laptop again i can do more then i do know .
[23:37] <hajour> it will be not very long when that moment will come


[10:57] <Ali-dh> hello
[11:00] <Ali-dh> Hello?
[11:08] <Ali-dh> Hello can someone help me?
[11:11] <darkxst> !ask
[11:29] <ali-dh_> Hello I want to join the Ubuntu Gnome community, I read all the webpages but still am really confused on how to do that, can someone help me?
[11:33] <ali-dh_> Ok so I guess no one can help me
[11:34] <ali-dh_> Yep I'll just go, don't mind me, continue "sleeping" :)
[11:55] <ricotz> darkxst, :\
[11:56] <ricotz> i hope this turns out well
[11:57] <ricotz> avoid binary copies to different releases, e.g. gnome-desktop3
[12:14] <darkxst> yeh, ended up in a bit of a tangle...
[12:22] <ricotz> darkxst, do you want to transition everything?
[12:25] <ricotz> darkxst, gtksourceview3, gdk-pixbuf
[12:26] <ricotz> clutter-1.0
[12:26] <ricotz> those still needs to be copied
[12:29] <darkxst> yes, although I was planning to just start with gnome-desktop but goa got caught up in it
[12:30] <ricotz> darkxst, do it in one pass to avoid rebuilds
[12:30] <ricotz> meaning if you want *everything* then just copy it
[12:31] <ricotz> darkxst, btw, i have taken a look at mutter 3.11.x and updated the packaging gnome-shell 3.11.x is in a bad shape too though
[12:32] <ricotz> darkxst, for mutter 3.10.x please actually drop the patch files if they are obsolete
[12:33] <darkxst> saucy doesnt have the cogl transition
[12:34] <ricotz> i know, i meant the official mutter trusty package
[12:34] <ricotz> bings me to the question what do you think about doing this cogl/clutter transition for saucy too?
[12:38] <ricotz> bbl, don't worry, i won't interfere with your copying/rebuilding
[12:38] <ricotz> just keep the versioning "stable"
[12:49] <darkxst> its probably worth doing the cogl/clutter transition, although I was really just wanting to consolidate things
[12:50] <darkxst> btw what is wrong with gnome-shell 3.11.x?
[12:54] <darkxst> (apart from needing a rebase against ubuntu package?)
[12:54] <ricotz> darkxst, a lot of outdated dependencies
[12:55] <ricotz> better dont worry about that now
[12:59] <ricotz> darkxst, :\
[13:00] <ricotz> what are you doing?
[13:00] <ricotz> i disabled the publishing of gnome3-next now
[13:01] <darkxst> gah, they should have gone to saucy
[13:01] <ricotz> and do binary copies!
[13:01] <ricotz> no rebuilds
[13:02] <darkxst> they should have been that also
[13:02] <ricotz> delete them all and wait a bit
[13:03] <ricotz> even cancel the builds too
[13:06] <ricotz> double even triple check the settings when copying packages
[13:07] <ricotz> what are the things you wanted to do?
[13:07] <ricotz> darkxst, ^
[13:08] <ricotz> consolidate? -- it might be impossible to copy the packages to saucy now
[13:08] <darkxst> yes
[13:08] <ricotz> so using the main gnome3 is an option now
[13:09] <ricotz> darkxst, with what changes?
[13:09] <ricotz> darkxst, i noticed the display-manager addition
[13:09] <darkxst> right, we don't break unity anymore with display0config
[13:11] <ricotz> so what you want to do for saucy is: declaring the staging ppa stable and adding displayconfig?
[13:12] <ricotz> btw, i am not so happy with seeing  "webkitgtk - 2.3.2-1ubuntu6~saucy1" since it is 3.12 stuff
[13:13] <ricotz> darkxst, so what i would suggest is to copy the saucy pocket of staging to gnome3-team/gnome3, then you can push the displayconfig changes there?
[13:14] <ricotz> darkxst, please stop doing anything now, and figure it out first
[13:16] <darkxst> copies into next won't work now? but yes I think putting it into gnome3 is also fine
[13:17] <ricotz> darkxst, afaik launchpad won't accept the packages anymore since they have the same version
[13:17] <ricotz> and there are rebuilds already which are different from the staging builds
[13:17] <ricotz> i wasnt fast enough in disabling the publishing to prevent it for all
[13:18] <ricotz> darkxst, what is up with this webkit package was this intended?
[13:19] <darkxst> that fixes the software center bug
[13:19] <ricotz> ok
[13:19] <ricotz> ok, i am going to copy the saucy pocket of staging
[13:20] <darkxst> ok
[13:22] <ricotz> did you test "displayconfig - 3.10.2-0ubuntu1~trusty1" on saucy?
[13:26] <darkxst> yes
[13:28] <ricotz> (please dont clear the failures)
[13:32] <ricotz> darkxst, did you accidently pushed "gdm - <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1~saucy3 " to gnome3 already in the past?
[13:34] <darkxst> possibly
[13:37] <ricotz> yeah
[13:39] <ricotz> darkxst, i will disable the gnome3-next ppa for a while to avoid conflicts when people use it with gnome3 and/or gnome3-staging
[13:40] <ricotz> hmm, i guess purging the saucy pocket would suffice too
[13:43] <darkxst> probably best to leave it off for now
[13:43] <ricotz> darkxst, i disabled it now
[13:43] <darkxst> ok
[13:43] <ricotz> jfyi there is a difference between disabling the ppa and disabling the publishing
[14:00] <ricotz> darkxst, any new packages besides "gnome-settings-daemon - 3.10.2-0ubuntu1~saucy4" ?
[14:01] <ricotz> please update the date in the changelog if you changed the package
[14:01] <ricotz> e.g. a simple "dch -r"
[14:13] <ricotz> darkxst, ?
[14:14] <ricotz> will push a fixed g-s-d 3.10.2
[17:16] <ronj> Hi!
[17:18] <Al1_andre> hi
[17:19] <ronj> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade is about to do a massive upgrade, removing important packages: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6781149/
[17:21] <ronj> is that okay?
[17:21] <ricotz> ronj, only "libgdm libgoa-1.0-0" getting removed which is perfectly fine
[17:22] <ricotz> they are getting replaced by newer renamed ones
[17:22] <ricotz> ronj, i assume you are only using ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3 on saucy?
[17:22] <ronj> ricotz, excellent; that's what I figured out but I wanted to make sure of it because it's quite massive and I got bitten by such upgrades in the past :P
[17:23] <ronj> ricotz, I am using the [gnome3, gnome3-next] PPAs on saucy
[17:23] <ricotz> ok
[17:24] <ronj> thanks for the fast reply!
[17:24] <ricotz> np, hoping it works out without hick-ups for you
[17:29] <Al1_andre> Hi, anyone knows how to hide the users join/quit on XChat ?
[19:20] <ronj> Just to confirm, today's mass update to 3.10 went well, having client-side decorations is awesome and I didn't expect it before 14.04! Tested [Files, Weather, Tweak tool, Settings, Web] and all work well! Thanks for the great work :)))