[12:14] <trael> wtf happened!!??
[12:14] <feety> did your burner program reboot the computer and load the desktop cd?
[12:14] <trael> never has before
[12:15] <trael> df shows it seems to have taken over the HD.
[12:15] <trael> this is the oddest thing I have ever seen.
[12:15] <trael> talk about hands free installation.
[12:15] <feety> odd, the installation cd doesnt auto install... :/
[12:15] <feety> magical elves must have completed the set up process for you
[12:15] <trael> freaky.
[12:15] <nothlit> oh you know what?
[12:16] <trael> is there a preview?
[12:16] <feety> what
[12:16] <nothlit> There was a lame auto update that automatically restarted windows
[12:16] <nothlit> i saw it on one of the computers in the house
[12:16] <nothlit> so the livecd must have booted when windows did that
[12:16] <trael> Kubuntu auto installs?
[12:16] <feety> no
[12:16] <trael> never used it before.
[12:17] <feety> did you burn the Desktop CD or Alternative CD?
[12:17] <nothlit> trael, no you're in a livecd environment
[12:17] <trael> desktop
[12:17] <trael> ahh..
[12:17] <nothlit> trael, click the install icon on the desktop to start :P
[12:17] <feety> reboot the computer and remove the cd
[12:17] <trael> that was the funniest thing.
[12:17] <feety> wait, back up your files from Windows first! lol
[12:17] <nothlit> does kubuntu use ubiquity?
[12:17] <feety> yep
[12:17] <nothlit> and gparted?
[12:18] <feety> qt bindings
[12:18] <feety> qtparted
[12:18] <nothlit> it has less features
[12:18] <feety> thats what it has on the cd
[12:18] <feety> otherwise theyd have to waste disk space with gtk libraries :)
[12:18] <nothlit> the livecd should have pretty safe ntfs resizing though
[12:18] <feety> it does. ive tried it. but you have to be careful what size you make.
[12:19] <trael> welp thanks, time to go play.
[12:20] <nothlit> i've never actually installed from the kubuntu livecd, just booted it and i used the alternate cd for packages on the test system
[12:20] <killermach> whose freakin idea was it to have ubuntu delete /dev/ devices on reboot??? I how can I make the hideous behaviour go away???
[12:21] <feety> it deletes /dev devices? o_o
[12:21] <soulrider> hi
[12:21] <nothlit> what?
[12:21] <soulrider> i got issues installing grub, it sais its not a valid device when i do setup(hd0)
[12:22] <_kuja_> killermach, which devices in particular?P
[12:22] <nothlit> soulrider, you need hd0,0? :P
[12:22] <feety> do you put apostrophes around (hd0), soulrider?
[12:22] <feety> oh yeah that too
[12:22] <soulrider> yes
[12:22] <feety> ad dont forget the apostrophes, grub-install loves those
[12:22] <soulrider> no
[12:22] <soulrider> i need
[12:22] <soulrider> (hd0)
[12:22] <dbglt> for some reason, my ipod doesn't seem to be recognised when I plug it in now... it used to pop a konqueror window of my ipod, but now nothing comes up at all. Any ideas what could be the problem? (dmesg finds it - so It connects fine)
[12:22] <soulrider> ive done this a million times
[12:22] <nothlit> are you chainloading?
[12:23] <soulrider> maybe because i chose another partition for /boot ?
[12:23] <nothlit> or do you have no partitions
[12:23] <nothlit> soulrider, well that could be ^^
[12:23] <nothlit> tell us what /dev/hdxx /boot is mapped to
[12:23] <soulrider> boot is sda1, swap is sda2, root is sda3
[12:24] <soulrider> i want grub to be in the MBR
[12:24] <soulrider> thats why i do setup (hd0)
[12:24] <tamacracker> Isn't Ark supposed to open .RAR files?
[12:25] <_kuja_> you have to install unrar first
[12:25] <tamacracker> <,<
[12:25] <tamacracker> ok. brb
[12:26] <nothlit> theres rar unrar and unrar-free btw
[12:26] <nothlit> soulrider, oh grub setup
[12:26] <nothlit> soulrider, you probably have the syntax wrong, you need you give us the whole command
[12:27] <soulrider> heres what i did
[12:27] <soulrider> mounted sda3 in /mnt/ubuntu
[12:27] <soulrider> mounted sda1 in /mnt/ubuntu/boot
[12:27] <jonathan_> how do i unlock adept manager
[12:27] <soulrider> cd /mnt/ubuntu/boot/grub
[12:27] <soulrider> did sudo grub
[12:27] <soulrider> then i did root (hd0,2)
[12:27] <soulrider> and then setup (hd0)
[12:27] <tamacracker> Ok I installed unrar free-version
[12:27] <soulrider> but now im getting another error
[12:27] <nothlit> you're not using grub-install?
[12:28] <tamacracker> and I still cannot open my .rar folder with Ark.
[12:28] <soulrider> i get file not found
[12:28] <soulrider> no
[12:28] <soulrider> i allways installed grub this way
[12:28] <nothlit> You do know hd0 is hda?
[12:28] <soulrider> its weird
[12:28] <_kuja_> only if hda is a hard drive ...
[12:28] <soulrider> grub sometimes takes it as 0 and sometimes as 1
[12:28] <soulrider> sda is my hard drive
[12:28] <nothlit> use the console and find out which # corresponds to your usb drive?
[12:28] <soulrider> its SCSI
[12:29] <jonathan_> adept wont let me install any other packages how do i unfreeze it
[12:29] <nothlit> oh
[12:29] <jonathan_> i know its fuser -ivk whats the rest of the command
[12:29] <soulrider> should i try running grub-install
[12:29] <nothlit> sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock ?
[12:29] <_kuja_> tamacracker, you have to restart ark first, you've done this, right?
[12:30] <tamacracker> yeah I closed Ark..
[12:30] <nothlit> soulrider, i suppose its worth a shot
[12:30] <tamacracker> Do I need to restart?
[12:30] <_kuja_> No
[12:30] <tamacracker> or log off and back on
[12:30] <_kuja_> restarting rarely fixes anything,.
[12:30] <killermach> I'm working on setting up IrDA for my laptop/palm IIIc, and when I reboot ubuntu it's like having a nightmare about windows
[12:31] <_kuja_> I've never used unrar-free before, but I know I've successfully extracted rar files with unrar using ark before. In fact, I did that a couple days ago.
[12:31] <killermach> I mknod's in /dev/ and a reboot litterally eats them
[12:31] <tamacracker> ok
[12:31] <tamacracker> ill download the non=free version then
[12:32] <soulrider> nothlit: what should i add as device ?
[12:32] <_kuja_> tamacracker, try instead of doing that, to create a symlink from unrar-free to unrar in /usr/bin
[12:32] <tamacracker> i can't find unrar.
[12:32] <tamacracker> it's not on my program list
[12:32] <jonathan_> what is the fuser command that unlockes adept manager
[12:32] <tamacracker> or utility list
[12:32] <tamacracker> etc...
[12:33] <_kuja_> tamacracker: sudo ln -sf /usr/bin/unrar-free unrar
[12:33] <nothlit> tamacracker, its not in /usr/bin?
[12:33] <shinda> Anyone here have experience with curlftpfs, I'm getting permission problems that I can't seem to work out..
[12:33] <tamacracker> Attention: NO ONE GET UNRAR FREE-VERSION, IT DOES NOT WORK.
[12:33] <tamacracker> Thanks, that's all I needed
[12:33] <tamacracker> peace in the middle east :D
[12:33] <soulrider> lol tamacracker
[12:34] <_kuja_> unrar-free more than likely does work . ..
[12:34] <tamacracker> Nah the non-free version works :D
[12:34] <nothlit> soulrider, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Multiboot-with-GRUB-2.html
[12:34] <tamacracker> thanks anyways Kuja
[12:34] <_kuja_> mmhmm
[12:34] <jonathan_> what is the fuser command that unlockes adept manager
[12:34] <soulrider> thanks
[12:35] <_kuja_> why not just sudo killall adept-manager?
[12:35] <jonathan_> tried that the package is still trying to install which locks it kuja
[12:36] <_kuja_> lurvely
[12:36] <soulrider> nothlit: i want it in my HD, not a friggin floppy :P
[12:36] <_kuja_> !randonnonsensesoIgetthefactoidsmessage
[12:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about randonnonsensesoIgetthefactoidsmessage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:37] <jonathan_> ubotu u know anything about the fuser command that will terminate the hung package install
[12:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about u know anything about the fuser command that will terminate the hung package install - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:38] <_kuja_> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:38] <_kuja_> jonathan_, ubotu is of course, a bot :)
[12:38] <Red-Sox> Hi, just wondering how I can determine what my CUPS printer's URL is...
[12:39] <jonathan_> oh lol
[12:39] <jonathan_> sry im so out of it right nwo kuja it not funny
[12:40] <_kuja_> I've been in a state of pure ZOMBIE all day long. So I guess I'm not one to talk on that topic...
[12:40] <feety> killall _kuja_ && kuja &
[12:40] <yaweez> @ Red-Sox type in konqueror "localhost:631" and click on your printer?
[12:40] <_kuja_> x_x
[12:41] <jonathan_> ubotu u know anything about the fuser command that will terminate the hung package install in adeptttt maaaanagerr
[12:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about u know anything about the fuser command that will terminate the hung package install in adeptttt maaaanagerr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:41] <_kuja_> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:41] <_kuja_> (second time I had to paste it now)
[12:41] <nothlit> soulrider, has the syntax lol
[12:41] <jonathan_> sry kuja didnt see it the first time
[12:41] <_kuja_> for future notice, it is, to help me remember it:
[12:41] <_kuja_> !adeptfix
[12:41] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[12:41] <nothlit> soulrider, was only scanning i can go find another howto
[12:41] <jonathan_> thanks ubotu
[12:43] <jonathan_> thank u all for ur help
[12:43] <_kuja_> hehehe]
[12:43] <Red-Sox> yaweez: Don't see it...
[12:44] <_kuja_> killermach, if you're still around, I recommend you stuff t he creation of nodes into an init script.
[12:44] <_kuja_> almost forgot to tell you that.
[12:45] <yaweez> Red-Sox: do you see the CUPS page? on the top right of it click on 'printers'
[12:47] <php-freak> join /#css
[12:47] <_kuja_> php-freak, who and why?
[12:47] <Red-Sox> yaweez: Yeah I know, but my printer isn't listed
[12:48] <soulrider> uhm
[12:48] <soulrider> i really need help with my grub
[12:48] <_kuja_> what about it, exactly?
[12:48] <php-freak> kuja: sorry wrong chanenl
[12:48] <soulrider> well, i cnt install it
[12:48] <php-freak> wrong command I mean
[12:49] <_kuja_> ah
[12:49] <earl_> hello guys
[12:49] <earl_> i'm having a bit of trouble with apt-get.
[12:49] <soulrider> hi earl_
[12:50] <_kuja_> I'm afraid to inform you that your fingers may in fact be dyslexic php-freak. This highly contagious problem can be caught from in fact, reading the things inputted by my fingers o.O
[12:50] <earl_> i'm trying to apt-get install some programs, and i get an error that some of the dependencies are uninstallable
[12:50] <_kuja_> try installing the uninstallable dependencies?
[12:51] <_kuja_> also with apt-get ....
[12:51] <nothlit> kuja-contracted dyslexic fingerosa?
[12:51] <_kuja_> before installing what you want, that is.
[12:51] <earl_> here, look at this:
[12:51] <earl_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37073/
[12:52] <soulrider> !grub
[12:52] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:52] <_kuja_> It must need more cowbell o.O
[12:52] <earl_> if i try to install one of the dependencies:
[12:52] <dopez> can anyone tell me how to fix knetworkmanager in edgy? i installed it, it sees my networks but when i connect to one with wpa it just crashes and i need to restart dbus before knetowrkmanager works again
[12:52] <_kuja_> first, sudo apt-get remove cowbell
[12:52] <_kuja_> then try each of the dependencies one by one
[12:52] <earl_> it does need more cowbell unfortunately =(
[12:53] <yaweez> Red-Sox: is your printer installed? maybe not through CUPS. Then just use "administration" and "add this printer (your printer should be in the list) if it's installed
[12:53] <nothlit> soulrider, lol sorry i was just skimming, but it gave you the syntax... which was your question
[12:53] <earl_> it says cowbell is not installed, therefore not removed
[12:53] <nothlit> apt-get -f install?
[12:53] <_kuja_> that, or dpkg --remove --force cowbell ...... might work
[12:54] <Red-Sox> yaweez: I can print on every computer but this one.
[12:54] <earl_>  -f install: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, 0 not upgraded
[12:54] <earl_> _kuja_:dpkg: unknown force/refuse option `cowbell'
[12:54] <earl_> it's happened with other programs i try to install too
[12:55] <earl_> for example, easytag
[12:55] <_kuja_> This is likely caused by the version of cowbell in the repositories having specific dependencies, likely in the main repository. Do you have the updates repository enabled?
[12:55] <soulrider> i found someting, but its not working
[12:55] <soulrider> nothlit: whats a block device ?
[12:55] <earl_> i will pastebin my sources.list
[12:55] <jontec> hey... anyone care to tell me why all of the rubygems packages are missing from my repos (amd64)? I'm using the same as my 32-bit desktop and I can't see a package. Both are running Kubuntu Dapper.
[12:55] <jontec> see it's not even on here:
[12:56] <jontec> !libgem-ruby1.8
[12:56] <nothlit> soulrider, as per google define: A device such as magnetic tape or a disk drive, that naturally transfers data in blocks of fixed size. Opposed to character device.
[12:56] <nothlit> biology.ncsa.uiuc.edu/library/SGI_bookshelves/SGI_Developer/books/DevDriver_PG/sgi_html/go01.html
[12:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libgem-ruby1.8 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:56] <earl_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37076/
[12:56] <soulrider> =/
[12:56] <soulrider> well
[12:56] <Red-Sox> !CUPS
[12:56] <nothlit> !find libgem
[12:56] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[12:56] <soulrider> heres the thing
[12:56] <ubotu> Found: libgempc410, libgempc430
[12:56] <soulrider> i do "grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/sda"
[12:56] <soulrider> and i get
[12:56] <soulrider> uhm, hold on
[12:57] <_kuja_> jontec, there's also the possibility that there aren't 64-bit packages for that available. It's a small % of packages that don't, but it could be part of that small % I suppose.
[12:57] <jontec> Red-Sox: the name of the package is "libgems-ruby1.8"
[12:57] <yaweez> Red-Sox: try adding your printer through CUPS - administration - add this printer (when it's listed), when not, just "add printer" and follow the process
[12:58] <Red-Sox> jontec: What package?
[12:58] <earl_> _kuja_: do you see anything wrong with my sources.list?
[12:58] <jontec> _kuja_: I don't think that's it.... it says all archs in the "details" on the 32-bit comp
[12:58] <soulrider> nothlit: look at this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto#head-44a5805eeda20ec1b6bd6c274cbf3a74230675d1
[12:58] <soulrider> its not working =/
[12:58] <jontec> Red-Sox: sorry wrong person. :D
[12:58] <Red-Sox> jontec: Ah no prob
[12:59] <_kuja_> earl_, try doing an apt-get update, and then try it again, just to be on the safe side.
[12:59] <_kuja_> I see nothing wrong with the list.
[12:59] <nothlit> soulrider, so why didn't the install handle grub for you?
[12:59] <jontec> _kuja_: since it says all archs... :D I think I'll get the .deb from my system.
[12:59] <soulrider> no idea
[12:59] <jontec> _kuja_: I've been doing that all day :D
[12:59] <earl_> no dice, kuja
[12:59] <soulrider> instead of grub i get "error 15: file not found"
[01:00] <_kuja_> jontec, I just ran a search, I'm not seeing them either.
[01:00] <soulrider> and if i go to a console
[01:00] <soulrider> mount /boot
[01:00] <soulrider> and then open grub
[01:00] <soulrider> do
[01:00] <soulrider> root (hd1,2)
[01:00] <soulrider> setup (hd1)
[01:00] <soulrider> i get a file not found error too
[01:00] <jontec> _kuja_: sorry.. you were talking to someone else. :D
[01:00] <jontec> _kuja_: what arch are you?
[01:01] <soulrider> i get
[01:01] <_kuja_> x86_64
[01:01] <soulrider>  Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... no
[01:01] <soulrider>  Checking if "/grub/stage1" exists... no
[01:01] <soulrider> Error 15: File not found
[01:02] <revolutionstudio> oi can anyone explain why i have to identify my password everytime i connect?
[01:02] <revolutionstudio> on freenode that is
[01:02] <daeds> does kubuntu support and detection the rt2500 wireless chipset automatically?
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[01:03] <nothlit> soulrider, reinstall grub
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[01:03] <soulrider> nothlit: how ?
[01:03] <spammer> its true
[01:03] <nothlit> soulrider, sudo aptitude reinstall grub
[01:03] <soulrider> im using the live CD now
[01:03] <nothlit> soulrider, so how are you booting into this in the first place?
[01:03] <earl_> kuja, thanks for your help, but it doesn't seem like this is a solvable problem
[01:03] <_kuja_> jontec: ... libgems-ruby1.8 doesn't have a launchpad page, are you sure that's the exact package name?
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[01:03] <soulrider> !ops
[01:03] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind or trappist
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[01:03] <daeds> This is an Automated script thing to point out that I have no reg in CS! HAHHAHAHA!
[01:04] <_kuja_> earl_ well, it'll let me do it, so something must be solvable about it.
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[01:04] <daeds> \ Ol! SUPER BAN! :D /
[01:04] <jontec> _kuja_: certain... lol... I'm staring at the other screen right now. :D
[01:04] <soulrider> thanks!
[01:04] <soulrider> <3
[01:04] <daeds> silly scripts :P
[01:04] <earl_> yeah... but everything seems to be where it's supposed to be and such, it just can't seem to find these phantom packages
[01:04] <_kuja_> jontec: well, this is cute then: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+package/libgems-ruby1.8
[01:04] <nothlit> soulrider, oh... well you could always try chrooting...
[01:05] <soulrider> uhm... how ?
[01:05] <nothlit> soulrider, btw you might have the device #'s wrong then... because its the livecd filesystem
[01:05] <soulrider> i know the one thatc hanges is the 1
[01:05] <daeds> does kubuntu support and detection the rt2500 wireless chipset automatically?
[01:05] <soulrider> i already did this like 5 times :P
[01:05] <earl_> i get the same thing for pcakages like gaim, easytag
[01:05] <earl_> seems like the common thread is gtk programs
[01:06] <killermach> _kuja_: ok.. like /etc/rc.local  ??
[01:06] <soulrider> nothlit: reinstalled it and its not working
[01:06] <_kuja_> earl_ I'ma gonna take a look at that sources.list again
[01:06] <nothlit> soulrider, lol so you tried 0, 1 and 2?
[01:06] <_kuja_> killermach: /etc/init.d
[01:06] <soulrider> there sonly 1 and 0
[01:06] <soulrider> tab hsows only 1 and 0
[01:06] <soulrider> and
[01:06] <nothlit> soulrider, ahh
[01:06] <soulrider> theres no partition number 1 in hd 0
[01:06] <soulrider> so it has to be 1
[01:06] <_kuja_> killermach: you place a regular bash script there, lets refer to it as script.sh, then you type in "sudo update-rc.d script.sh defaults"
[01:07] <soulrider> i could try using a floppy
[01:07] <killermach> _kuja_: gotcha.. my peave is I was following a howto, I did all the steps and rebooted as recommended, and my work was deleted
[01:07] <earl_> k
[01:07] <soulrider> or maybe just reinstalling? :P
[01:07] <soulrider> i just reinstalle dkubuntu, couldnt even get in it once
[01:07] <nothlit> soulrider, i think you'll come into the same problem
[01:07] <_kuja_> killermach: I feel your pain
[01:07] <nothlit> soulrider, did you try using the alternate disc? it has better support
[01:07] <soulrider> text CD ?
[01:07] <nothlit> yeah
[01:07] <soulrider> i dont have ht edgy alternate one
[01:08] <soulrider> only dapper
[01:08] <soulrider> ima just gonna reinstall
[01:08] <nothlit> gl
[01:08] <soulrider> thanks
[01:08] <_kuja_> earl_: it looks okay. You haven't installed any other apps (gtk-related) from other repositories, or directly with dpkg have you?
[01:09] <earl_> not that i know of
[01:09] <[RIP] d3jake> nice, it worked
[01:09] <earl_> is there like a command that will make apt-get forget everything
[01:09] <_kuja_> earl_, if it won't break too many things, try removing gtk, and then reinstalling gtk + cowbell + anything important that it might remove.
[01:09] <killermach> _kuja_: its no working .. I've set this USB STIR4200 dongle up on this laptop with mandrake, but sofar I cannot get any output from irdadump on ubuntu
[01:09] <earl_> okay i'll give that a shot
[01:09] <_kuja_> earl_ what do you mean by forget?
[01:10] <earl_> hm what is the name of the gtk package
[01:10] <earl_> well like i dunno. i'm not very smart when it comes to linux things, but it seems to me like somehow apt-get was convinced that these packages just don't exist.
[01:10] <earl_> but they obviously do...
[01:10] <earl_> i dunno. i'll try removing gtk
[01:10] <_kuja_> earl_ libgtk2.0-0 I think
[01:10] <earl_> thanks
[01:11] <soulrider> nothlit: now that im reinsatlling, dop you think its a good idea to still use another aprtition for root ?
[01:11] <soulrider> i mean, boot
[01:11] <_kuja_> killermach, I wouldn't know ... the only infrared I play with is related to my remote ... which happens to be working great and it required little effort :)
[01:11] <darkmaniac> http://www.gimmickry.org/ <-riddles
[01:12] <[RIP] d3jake> what's the default root password for Kubuntu..?
[01:12] <nothlit> soulrider, well, if you use a separate partition and use ext2, you get better compatibility, but its not that necessary in this day and age
[01:12] <_kuja_> by default the root acount is completely disabled.
[01:12] <[RIP] d3jake> k
[01:12] <nothlit> !sudo | [RIP] d3jake
[01:12] <ubotu> [RIP] d3jake: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[01:13] <[RIP] d3jake> ahhhh, thanks nothlit
[01:13] <earl_> okay this is just getting weirder and weirder
[01:14] <[RIP] d3jake> thnaks
[01:14] <[RIP] d3jake> thanks*
[01:14] <earl_> i tried to remove gtk and this is what i got
[01:14] <_kuja_> earl_: did you do a clean edgy install or upgrade from dapper?
[01:15] <killermach> _kuja_: yeah.. I was hoping that install gnome-pilot and irda-utils and it would pleastly just work :)
[01:15] <earl_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37079/
[01:15] <jontec> well that's not helpful.
[01:15] <earl_> clean install
[01:15] <jontec> rubyforge is down.
[01:15] <earl_> it's been installed for about a month
[01:15] <earl_> but i stopped using it for about two weeks; started up a few days ago and all of a sudden -today- this problem starts
[01:15] <_kuja_> Hmm, that's interesting, because the versions of those broken packages listed seem to be in the repos
[01:16] <earl_> i'm removing openoffice
[01:16] <earl_> i dont even know why it's there to begin with
[01:16] <earl_> i have koffice...
[01:16] <_kuja_> If all else fails, try switching the mirror from us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com
[01:17] <earl_> k
[01:17] <_kuja_> earl_ I did a server install, so openoffice hasn't seen the light of my system in quite some time :D
[01:19] <earl_> okay... it's not even letting me uninstall openoffice. says it will break packages.
[01:20] <_kuja_> force it?
[01:20] <earl_> clearly, the problem is that i have broken packages -already- on my system
[01:20] <earl_> yup - apt-get remove --force right?
[01:20] <_kuja_> might work?
[01:20] <earl_> let me give it as hot
[01:20] <eilker> !directfb
[01:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about directfb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:21] <eilker> !framebuffer
[01:21] <ubotu> If you would like information on framebuffers, please visit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer
[01:21] <nothlit> earl_, how did it get on there in the first place, did you turn on auto updates?
[01:21] <nothlit> or do you run it packaging managing with -y?
[01:21] <sertan> hi all
[01:21] <_kuja_> nothlit, he said he did a clean install
[01:21] <earl_> E: Command line option --force is not understood
[01:21] <_kuja_> earl_ that's why I said might, I didn't think apt-get had it, but I wasn't going to stop you from trying
[01:22] <earl_> i really don't know how openoffice ended up here. i might have installed it a while ago, but the problem's only been here about 12 hours.
[01:22] <nothlit> yeah but he said its been installed for a month
[01:22] <sertan> bana trke yardm edicek olan varm ?
[01:22] <_kuja_> earl_, try apt-get -f install
[01:22] <earl_> ugh, reinstalling the whole os is looking more appealing every minute
[01:23] <earl_> kuja, no effect
[01:23] <eilker> sertan: send me pm, trke yasak
[01:23] <_kuja_> earl_ if it's not too customized or not too much trouble, then it's not a bad option really.
[01:23] <earl_> =(
[01:23] <earl_> and i just finally got beryl to work toooo >,<
[01:23] <sertan> oke im sorry :(
[01:24] <_kuja_> Sounds like customization, which would make said reinstalling FAR more tedious.
[01:24] <earl_> yup
[01:24] <eilker> sertan: you can send me message
[01:24] <nothlit> try running the commands with aptitude? dunno
[01:25] <earl_> aptitude?
[01:25] <nothlit> !aptitude
[01:25] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[01:25] <nothlit> it can be a drop-in replacement for apt-get
[01:25] <earl_> interesting
[01:25] <_kuja_> sudo apt-get remove openoffice.org openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb openoffice.org-common language-support-en openoffice.org l10n-en-za
[01:25] <jontec> *looks around* what's the problem with earl_, now?
[01:26] <earl_> what the hell!!!
[01:26] <_kuja_> Broken packages causing dependency problems.
[01:26] <_kuja_> or some such
[01:26] <earl_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37082/
[01:27] <earl_> how are you going to tell me the package isn't installed! i'm running it right now!!
[01:27] <hazard_> WELL, that was exciting...
[01:27] <nothlit> because thats a metapackage?
[01:27] <hazard_> just in case anyone ever thinks of it, don't write a c program which recursively calls itself to run in the background.
[01:27] <LjL> no need for it to be a C program
[01:28] <jontec> has he run apt-get check?
[01:28] <jontec> what about apt-get moo?
[01:28] <LjL> and, yeah, that's called a forkbomb
[01:28] <nothlit> earl_, apt-cache show openoffice.org :P
[01:28] <_kuja_> apt-get moo is the solution to all of lifes problems.
[01:28] <nothlit> cowsay > ^
[01:28] <earl_> apt-cache gives no response
[01:28] <earl_> i try apt-get install openoffice.org
[01:28] <earl_> and this is what i get
[01:28] <eilker> !xgl > sertan
[01:29] <_kuja_> earl, I didn't type this: "sudo apt-get remove openoffice.org openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb openoffice.org-common language-support-en openoffice.org l10n-en-za" for my health
[01:29] <hazard_> Meh, I suppose that IS what it does.
[01:29] <earl_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37083/
[01:29] <nothlit> _kuja_, he didn't use a pastebin for his health
[01:29] <earl_> _kuja_ that second-last thing i pastebinned was what i got from your thing that you didn't do for your health =P
[01:30] <_kuja_> or wait, yes, I just now saw it. Remember, I'm a zombie.
[01:30] <nothlit> earl_, apt-cache policy openoffice.org
[01:30] <_kuja_> And also remember that zombies don't have health
[01:30] <jontec> I was serious 'bout that apt-get check though :D
[01:31] <earl_> apt-get check was almost resultless
[01:31] <Flarp> !easysource
[01:31] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic.  It does not currently support Edgy sources.  When asked if it will, the reply was "maybe".
[01:31] <_kuja_> earl_: revised edition (for everyone elses health, but not mine): sudo apt-get remove openoffice.org openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb openoffice.org-common language-support-en openoffice.org-l10n-en-za
[01:31] <earl_> apt-cache policy openoffice.org gave the following
[01:32] <earl_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37084/
[01:32] <nothlit> man pastebins are annoying
[01:32] <earl_> sorry =(
[01:32] <earl_> better than in here though
[01:32] <earl_> kuja, we're finally making progress
[01:33] <earl_> it didn't raise a stink about that one
[01:33] <nothlit> earl_, check your sources.list and sudo apt-get update
[01:33] <nothlit> earl_, um. its really not good that theres no result
[01:33] <Jucato> (you don't need to run apt-cache with sudo)
[01:33] <earl_> kuja says my sources.list is fine
[01:33] <_kuja_> The part where apt-cache show openoffice.org didn't work really bugs me.
[01:33] <earl_> i'll run you with sudo!!
[01:33] <nothlit> earl_, then apt-get update
[01:34] <nothlit> _kuja_, he has no installation candidate, that means his package list is broken
[01:34] <Jucato> by any chance, are you using us.archive.ubuntu.com in your sources.list?
[01:34] <earl_> jucato, as far as i know, yes
[01:34] <nothlit> earl_, and tell us if there are any errors, then run the apt-cache policy openoffice.org again
[01:35] <Jucato> hm... that may be the cause of the problem...
[01:35] <_kuja_> That's why I mentioned possibly trying archive.ubuntu.com instead a while back.
[01:35] <earl_> no errors uninstalling it
[01:35] <CSonicGo> Hi all!
[01:35] <_kuja_> us.archive.ubuntu.com has given me trouble on a few occasions.
[01:35] <eilker> !xgl > flash
[01:35] <Jucato> the us.archive.ubuntu.com has been giving some problems
[01:35] <CSonicGo> kuja it's very slow as of late.
[01:35] <eilker> !flash > sertan
[01:35] <CSonicGo> at max one time I was getting 668B/s
[01:35] <_kuja_> I wouldn't know.
[01:35] <earl_> apt-cache gave the same result this time
[01:35] <earl_> which is probably expected since it really isn't installed now
[01:35] <_kuja_> My connection apparantly isn't fast enough to  notice.
[01:36] <Jucato> earl_: no. apt-cache policy and show will show something, whether or not the package is installed
[01:36] <jontec> dangett... I can't find that file .deb file for libgems-ruby1.8... it's like someone erased all of its traces except for in adept... which never forgets anything
[01:36] <nothlit> earl_, no, there should be an available candidate from the repos
[01:36] <_kuja_> 668B/S, sounds like mor e of a problem with _YOUR_ connection that us.archive.ubuntu.com ....
[01:36] <SrChuck> hello, my keyboard don't work in kde :s, print the error... The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: Warning: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2 symbols Ignoring extra symbols.. Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
[01:36] <earl_> jucato it says the package is not installed
[01:36] <SrChuck> save me :'(
[01:36] <_kuja_> I typically get about 80 from us.archive.ubuntu.com, or anything, for that matter.
[01:37] <Jucato> earl_: do as _kuja_ recommended, switch your us.archive.ubuntu.com to plain archive.ubuntu.com or uk.archive.ubuntu.com
[01:37] <nothlit> earl_, thats not all policy does...
[01:37] <earl_> jucato, have switched it, updating now
[01:37] <CSonicGo> kuja I'm on Wireless USB maybe that's the problem
[01:37] <earl_> nothlit: let me show you the output of policy
[01:37] <nothlit> earl_, i saw the pastebin
[01:37] <nothlit> earl_, and that is NOT a good thing
[01:37] <nothlit> earl_, like jucato said, it should always say something
[01:37] <earl_> yeah
[01:38] <earl_> this is very strange
[01:38] <_kuja_> so yes, pull up the sources.list in kate, find and replace (hint)all instances of us.archive.ubuntu.com with archive.ubuntu.com, save.
[01:39] <_kuja_> do an apt-get update, then an apt-get upgrade.
[01:39] <earl_> kuja, done that already and apt-get updated
[01:39] <earl_> nothing to upgrade
[01:39] <_kuja_> Well, apt-get install cowbell?
[01:39] <nothlit> earl_, kk run the policy again and tell us if theres anything new, no need to pastebin
[01:39] <earl_> cowbell still fails to install
[01:39] <earl_> apt-cache policy returns the same result
[01:39] <earl_> not intsalled, no candidate
[01:39] <nothlit> !openoffice.org
[01:39] <ubotu> a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org
[01:39] <nothlit> !info openoffice.org
[01:40] <Flarp> what in the world is cowbell ?
[01:40] <ubotu> openoffice.org: OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.4-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 3 kB, installed size 28 kB
[01:40] <nothlit> its a music organiser
[01:40] <earl_> it's a masstagger... but that's not the problem, it seems to be happening with any gtk program
[01:40] <_kuja_> try again to remove gtk, and reinstall it?
[01:40] <CSonicGo> heh, cowbell
[01:40] <earl_> oh, right
[01:41] <CSonicGo> that's awesome
[01:41] <earl_> okay now it's letting me remove gtk
[01:42] <earl_> yeah it removed a buttload of things along with it, including things like beryl-manager, so i'm assuming i need to restart linux right
[01:42] <_kuja_> Nope
[01:42] <_kuja_> Wonderful thing about linux is that the only time you need to reboot is if you're screwing with the kernel, or some kernel modules.
[01:42] <earl_> well beryl manager is my window manager. and my windows are still being managed.
[01:43] <dave_> hey there, i am new to Kubuntu and i cant get MP3's to play in amarok or kaffine
[01:43] <_kuja_> So, you'll likely want to restart x, but that's okay, isn't it?
[01:43] <earl_> yeah that's fine
[01:43] <earl_> i just hope everything stlil works when i do
[01:43] <Jucato> !mp3 | dave_
[01:43] <ubotu> dave_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:44] <_kuja_> it won't affect any running programs, but if you uninstall something like beryl, then close out beryl, and try to restart beryl before having reinstalled it, it won't start.
[01:44] <earl_> okay
[01:44] <earl_> i'm going to restart x
[01:44] <earl_> wait this is probably a good time to ask
[01:44] <nothlit> earl_, lol gtk runs on beryl-manager doesn't it?
[01:44] <nothlit> err
[01:44] <nothlit> the other way
[01:44] <earl_> should i log out before ctrl alt backspacing?
[01:44] <nothlit> yes
[01:45] <earl_> okay i'll brb
[01:45] <Jucato> (not really necessary, because if you log out, there will already be an option restart X in the login menu...)
[01:46] <dave_> I couldn't get anything out of that oinfo, Kubuntu wont play MP3s on many computers.
[01:46] <nothlit> in kdm
[01:46] <dave_> That I have tried
[01:46] <dave_> amaroK
[01:46] <dettoaltrimenti> does google mail work (with all the features) for anyone with konqueror/
[01:46] <mike1980> Hi there guys, I have set up my development web server now i want to be able to upload web sites to via the LAN what do I have to install to do so?
[01:46] <dave_> and Kaffeine
[01:46] <nothlit> you've installed mp3 decoders?
[01:46] <dave_> We've /tried/
[01:47] <mike1980> Hi there guys, I have set up my development web server now i want to be able to upload web sites to via the LAN what do I have to install to do so?
[01:47] <nothlit> !ftp
[01:47] <ubotu> FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd
[01:47] <nothlit> !nfs
[01:47] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[01:47] <ruzle> Hello, I have problems burning cds with k3b? Can some one tell me what to do?
[01:47] <SrChuck> hello, my keyboard don't work in kde :s, print the error... The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: Warning: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2 symbols Ignoring extra symbols.. Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
[01:47] <dave_> So where can we find a decoder?
[01:47] <_kuja_> !mp3
[01:47] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:48] <Jucato> dave_: install libxine-extracodecs from the multiverse repository
[01:48] <dave_> we just *Tried* those
[01:48] <mike1980> shh or anything
[01:48] <earl_> okay
[01:48] <_kuja_> after installing it, you quit amarok and restarted it, or no dave_?
[01:48] <earl_> so one of the things that removing gtk did
[01:48] <earl_> was remove kubuntu-desktop
[01:49] <earl_> so i figure... you know, if there's a package i need to run kubuntu
[01:49] <earl_> it's probably kubuntu desktop
[01:49] <mike1980> !ftp
[01:49] <ubotu> FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd
[01:49] <_kuja_> kubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage, reinstall it if you wan to
[01:49] <earl_> i apt-get installed that
[01:49] <earl_> yeah i know it's a metapackage and mostly unnecessary
[01:49] <earl_> buuuuuuuut
[01:49] <earl_> it's one any kubuntu system starts out with right?
[01:49] <earl_> aaaaand it wont let me install it.
[01:49] <CSonicGo> hey uh how do I use a serial mouse
[01:49] <CSonicGo> :(
[01:49] <earl_> so i'm pretty sure apt-get is just plain broken.
[01:50] <nothlit> earl_, it doesn't make sense, why would kubuntu need gtk?
[01:50] <nothlit> earl_, your system sounds broken, its prolly less hassle to start over
[01:50] <earl_> i'm sure there's some random minor program that needs gtk
[01:50] <_kuja_> It's probably thrown in there for compatibility reasons.
[01:50] <earl_> yeah
[01:50] <earl_> i agree it's probably easier to start over
[01:50] <_kuja_> Just like Ubuntu-GNOME comes with QT, if I remember right.
[01:51] <Jucato> nope
[01:51] <_kuja_> Hmmmmmm
[01:51] <_kuja_> Maybe not
[01:51] <_kuja_> My memories are fuzzy on that one ;)
[01:51] <_kuja_> I can't think of any things in KDE that need GTK though, oddly enough.
[01:52] <earl_> firefox! =)
[01:52] <Jucato> one of the apps installed with Kubuntu (kubunut-desktop) probably depends on GTK.
[01:52] <mike1980> How or where do I configure proftpd from GUI?
[01:52] <Jucato> Kubuntu is not 100% pure KDE
[01:53] <_kuja_> Most unforutunately
[01:53] <CSonicGo> if you want pure KDE can't you apt-get install KDE
[01:53] <_kuja_> I think I know what it is.
[01:53] <_kuja_> It's probably OOo
[01:53] <CSonicGo> because that's what I did
[01:53] <_kuja_> or some such
[01:53] <earl_> okay well thanks for your help guys. i'm just gonna reinstall kubuntu
[01:53] <Jucato> the "kde" metapackage installs too many things
[01:53] <CSonicGo> I know it does but
[01:53] <CSonicGo> it's nice heh
[01:54] <earl_> have a good night fellas
[01:54] <CSonicGo> if you have a big HD that is
[01:54] <Jucato> you can also install kde-core instead, and just build up from there
[01:54] <_kuja_> earl_ good luck
[01:55] <_kuja_> kde-core + kubuntu-default-settings + kubuntu usplash
[01:56] <dettoaltrimenti> is there a nice rss aggregator for linux that can handle audio and video podcasts/
[01:56] <CSonicGo> heh, KDE runs nice on my old computer, I turned all the "effects" off
[01:56] <nothlit> _kuja_, earl_ said it lol, firefox
[01:56] <Jucato> heh.. usplash, Crystal, system settings, and Adept are the only kubuntu stuff I have installed
[01:56] <Jucato> firefox is not installed by default in Kubuntu, btw
[01:56] <nothlit> or use the colossal kde package
[01:56] <nothlit> really? it forces you to use konqueror?
[01:57] <nothlit> i don't mean that literally btw
[01:57] <_kuja_> Nobody is forcing you to use anything :P
[01:57] <Jucato> nothlit: it doesn't "force" you anything. you can always install
[01:57] <nothlit> i don't mean that literally btw
[01:57] <_kuja_> And who wouldn't want to use konqueror?
[01:57] <Jucato> apparently, nothlit...
[01:57] <manuleviking> Jucato: you don't use kubuntu ?
[01:58] <Jucato> manuleviking: I don't use the kubuntu-desktop package
[01:58] <nothlit> people who don't like the plugin support?
[01:58] <Jucato> but I use Kubuntu :)
[01:58] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: it isn't
[01:58] <nothlit> or the middle click behavior?
[01:58] <Jucato> what middle click behavior?
[01:58] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: the desktop is just a meta-package, doesn't mean anything really
[01:59] <_kuja_> nothlit, behaviours can be changed, though the interfaces for doing so don't exist and you have to edit a text file. Which bugs me.
[01:59] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: huh?
[01:59] <manuleviking> Jucato: ok but how did you installed KDE ( non kubuntu-fied ) ? just apt-get install kde ?
[01:59] <Admiral_Chicago> what?
[02:00] <Jucato> manuleviking: http://jucato.org/kde/kde-core.html
[02:00] <Admiral_Chicago> everyone ignore me. /away
[02:01] <the-erm> I know this is a linux channel, but there are windows users here, and it's been years since I seriously ran it.  Do you really need norton go back on a notebook?  Or is it better to turn it off?
[02:01] <_kuja_> dettoaltrimenti: akregator handles feeds, amarok handles podcasts. I know of n othing that handles both.
[02:02] <nothlit> _kuja_, i'm not running any kde apps anyways
[02:02] <_kuja_> Qt
[02:02] <nothlit> _kuja_, but konqueror default behavior bugs me a lot
[02:02] <nothlit> yes you can change it
[02:02] <nothlit> but i don't use it often and its irritating when i do
[02:03] <nothlit> same
[02:03] <_kuja_> middle click paste perchance?
[02:03] <nothlit> close tabs
[02:03] <_kuja_> or perhaps middle clicking on a tab not closing it?
[02:03] <_kuja_> those bug me.
[02:03] <_kuja_> I changed them.
[02:03] <nothlit> the middle click tab in konqueror is really annoying
[02:03] <Jucato> middle-click paste is *not* a KDE feature
[02:03] <_kuja_> :D
[02:03] <nothlit> If i wanted to paste i would have done it in the window
[02:03] <manuleviking> nothlit: you can change that
[02:04] <Jucato> hm.. I shall repeat, middle-click paste is not a KDE feature
[02:04] <the-erm> Middle click is useful when you're running konsole.
[02:04] <_kuja_> No, I mean middle clicking when  page is loaded, and it instead of switching to panning mode, decides to enter the contents of your clipboard into the address bar and try to go t here.
[02:04] <manchicken> Middle-click paste is an X feature.
[02:04] <nothlit> Again, on the TAB.
[02:04] <manuleviking> but you can modify it ;)
[02:04] <Jucato> that's not middle-click paste nothlit, _kuja_
[02:04] <the-erm> I think it's useful.
[02:05] <manchicken> I love Button2 pasting.
[02:05] <Jucato> but that's easily changed in the settings
[02:05] <nothlit> manuleviking, i only see it on livecds and other peoples comps i setup anyways
[02:05] <nothlit> Jucato, it is the way konqueror handles it :P
[02:06] <Jucato> also, it might surprise you to know that middle-click to close a tab is actually only know to those who have used Firefox.
[02:06] <_kuja_> that's not easily changed, I have to create an invisible option in a text file.
[02:06] <nothlit> Jucato, nope, i've used it in other gecko browsers and opera and even IE7 uses that.
[02:06] <nothlit> I don't even use firefox
[02:06] <T3hWiz0rd> Hello!
[02:06] <Jucato> _kuja_: I meant to turn off the "Middle click opens URL in selection"
[02:06] <Jucato> oh yeah, Firefox and Opera
[02:07] <nothlit> Jucato, and IE7 (MSFT!!!!!!) and other gecko browsers (mozilla-browser, galeon, epiphany, though i think epiphany doesnt)
[02:07] <_kuja_> It just so turns out, that quite a few people are coming from a background where they may have used said browsers Jucato :D
[02:07] <nothlit> Jucato, so really konqueror is the abnormal one
[02:07] <CSonicGo> wow Konquerer is fast on a slow computer
[02:08] <Jucato> _kuja_: true. that option (Middle click to close a tab) needs a way to control it in the GUI
[02:08] <nothlit> epiphany listens to HIG with the annoying X i think
[02:08] <Jucato> nothlit: only when people started copying Firefox
[02:08] <manuleviking> you can close your tabs in konqueror with middle click like this : MouseMiddleClickClosesTab=true in your : ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc ( section FMSettings )
[02:08] <manuleviking> ;)
[02:08] <nothlit> Jucato, so? It happened now, and opera had it first
[02:09] <_kuja_> jucato: I recall Opera 7 having done it. Opera may have been the first at it? Who knows.
[02:09] <nothlit> manuleviking, so I should do that every time I run across a livecd/foreign system?
[02:09] <Jucato> nothlit: I'm just saying that it wasn't a "trend" before, which is why Konqueror dindn't have a GUI way to control middle-click close
[02:09] <manuleviking> i think nothlit
[02:10] <nothlit> Jucato, still why not keep up
[02:10] <manuleviking> btw, : http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Secret+Config+Settings#_Middle_Click_on_Tab_to_Close_in_Konqueror_KDE_3_4_
[02:10] <Jucato> nothlit: who knows. KDE 4?
[02:10] <_kuja_> manuleviking: Taht's just what my point was, we shouldn't have to add previously invisible things to the text file. A person wouldn't even know they could do it unless they were specifically looking for it.
[02:10] <nothlit> Jucato, why does konqueror need to wait for a major major kde release?
[02:11] <_kuja_> And that's assuming they took the time to look for it instead of passing it off as, wow, I hate this, which ignorant people are known to do (I'm obviously not one of those :-p)
[02:11] <nothlit> doing that would take me about as much motivation as recompiling konqueror just to do that
[02:11] <Jucato> nothlit: better idea: make a wishlist in bugs.kde.org, vote for it, ask people to vote for it, until it gets "confirmed by popular vote"
[02:11] <manuleviking> there are very good tips in there :)
[02:11] <Jucato> or better yet: stick to Firefox, no one's "forcing" anyone
[02:11] <nothlit> Does konqueror have video thumbnailing?
[02:11] <_kuja_> nothlit, work on KDE3 is grinding to a halt. All that is trickling into it now is bugfixes. Maybe the off feature or two, but development is geared up for KDE4 now.
[02:12] <manuleviking> exactly
[02:12] <nothlit> Jucato, you wondered what i was referring to lol
[02:12] <Jucato> yes, and I already answered how it can be changed
[02:13] <nothlit> Jucato, yes but that is only realistic if I run konqueror all the time on my main system
[02:13] <Jucato> "Middle click opens URL in selection" is easily turned off. "Middle click to close tab" needs to be manually added (and also needs a GUI control)
[02:13] <T3hWiz0rd> look, it is this simple: KDE is goig under a complete rehaul in the coming year or so, from this point out kde 3.5 is more of a burden then a priority
[02:13] <nothlit> It is DEFINITELY not viable for every foreign system... which i may not be allowed to modify the behavior and livecds
[02:13] <T3hWiz0rd> most MAJOR changes wont hit until kde 4.
[02:13] <Jucato> I actually don't care what you run. I was just wondering what you were referring to
[02:13] <T3hWiz0rd> the same goes for almost EVERY gui ever made.
[02:13] <nothlit> Jucato, i have nothing against the pasting, just the tab part
[02:13] <_kuja_> jucato, is there a bug report/wishlist item for that on bugs.kde.org, (only if you know off hand, otherwise, I'll go check now)
[02:14] <Jucato> _kuja_: go check, I don't know offhand
[02:14] <_kuja_> I think I still have some votes left, that I've not yet spent on Konqueror afterall
[02:14] <Jucato> _kuja_: you have an unlimited # of votes
[02:14] <Jucato> but you can only put 20 votes per report
[02:14] <_kuja_> limitted to 100 for Konqueror, of course
[02:14] <manuleviking> nothlit: is it so hard to stay with middle click=paste ??
[02:15] <nothlit> manuleviking, absolutely
[02:15] <_kuja_> Of which I may have used around 60, at 20 a piece
[02:15] <Jucato> manuleviking: if you've been used to middle-click on tabs to close
[02:15] <Jucato> manuleviking: I actually have that (middle click tab to close)
[02:15] <nothlit> manuleviking, i'm a power browser, i can have 30-50 tabs open at a time, can be more
[02:15] <Jucato> but also have middle click to open URL (which I find very helpful)
[02:16] <Jucato> _kuja_: if you do find the wishlist, post the link here so we (or I) can vote
[02:16] <_kuja_> I'm looking
[02:16] <jontec> okay.... I remember why I just have the .deb packages and they're not in my archives: I complied these .deb packages... I just don't remember how. Does anyone know how to? I thought I copied the instructions... but I don't see them on my system
[02:16] <nothlit> manuleviking, and it really slows me down, especially since i'm used to other browsers... so this behavior not only doesn't minimise how many tabs i have open but also pastes over tabs that may still be important
[02:16] <fenixnr> How would I install gnome on kubuntu?
[02:16] <nothlit> fenix_, install the gnome or ubuntu-desktop metapackage
[02:17] <nothlit> !synaptic | fenix_
[02:17] <ubotu> fenix_: synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[02:17] <nothlit> !synaptic | fenixnr
[02:17] <ubotu> fenixnr: synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[02:17] <nothlit> oh
[02:17] <nothlit> oops
[02:17] <nothlit> !adept | fenixnr
[02:17] <ubotu> fenixnr: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[02:17] <manuleviking> nothlit: i agree with you with this point
[02:17] <fenixnr> I already know aboutabout synaptic and adept
[02:17] <nothlit> fenix_, install the gnome or ubuntu-desktop metapackage
[02:18] <nothlit> manuleviking, its just what i find irritating, yes it can be changed, but the process of changing it can also be part of the irritation
[02:18] <nothlit> manuleviking, i think we've all said our piece on the subject?
[02:18] <hex_st0rm> #slackware
[02:19] <nothlit> fenixnr, sorry look at what i gave to fenix_
[02:19] <manuleviking> nothlit: i think :)
[02:19] <Jucato> [and the part about people complaining without trying to help do something about it (if they care at all) is a bigger source of irritation]
[02:19] <_kuja_> Jucato, I'm not seeing one, at least not about having an option in the gui for it.
[02:19] <nothlit> Jucato, i wasn't complaining about it, you wondered (and so asked)
[02:20] <Jucato> nothlit: I wasn't referring to you
[02:20] <Jucato> although you are also complaining a bit already :)
[02:20] <nothlit> Jucato, no just clarifying
[02:20] <Jucato> _kuja_: hold on a sec
[02:21] <nothlit> Jucato, i have nothing personally against konqueror, its a great app
[02:21] <hex_st0rm> is slackware a decent distro?
[02:21] <hex_st0rm> i wanna switch from kubuntu to slackware...
[02:21] <hex_st0rm> or just any other distro really
[02:21] <Jucato> _kuja_: I'm see some reports
[02:22] <nothlit> slackware is has pretty old packages, and i don't think there is package removal
[02:22] <T3hWiz0rd> hex_st0rm: why not ask such questions in those distros designated channels?
[02:22] <_kuja_> I don't see one specifically related to there not being a gui option ...
[02:22] <nothlit> you either compile from source or extract straight into root
[02:22] <_kuja_> I see plenty to do with middle click close tab though
[02:22] <hex_st0rm> tehwiz0rd, #slackware is basicly dead
[02:22] <angasule> vim-tiny is the default vim? that's rubbish, unusable even
[02:22] <_kuja_> angasule, I agree
[02:22] <T3hWiz0rd> hex_st0rm: then it matches the distro
[02:22] <hex_st0rm> alright
[02:22] <Jucato> _kuja_: have you read through all of them? one might already mention it inside the report
[02:22] <_kuja_> That's the very first thing I change in a new install
[02:22] <nothlit> hex_st0rm, switch to arch or gentoo
[02:23] <nothlit> hex_st0rm, arch is great
[02:23] <_kuja_> I've skimmed, I may have missed something?
[02:23] <hex_st0rm> i've never heard of it?
[02:23] <nothlit> its a small distro, for advanced users
[02:23] <_kuja_> but I really haven't seen anything regarding a gui option for it ... which is what we're wanting, right?
[02:23] <angasule> _kuja_: I had been busy with finals, and I was trying to configure vim and got strange errors, when I checked, it was the non-functional tiny vim, gah
[02:23] <nothlit> its not for the everyday joe
[02:23] <hex_st0rm> im not advanced, im more intermediate
[02:23] <manuleviking> or maybe sabayon ? ( it is based on gentoo too )
[02:24] <_kuja_> Crud, it's getting late, I should go ...  I have to get up early
[02:25] <AlexLibman> hiya
[02:28] <jontec> why does samba make me login to my windows computer's shared documents? There is no password setup for it
[02:29] <morvok> @yay!
[02:33] <nothlit> !samba | jontec
[02:33] <ubotu> jontec: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[02:33] <nothlit> jontec, you need to set a password with smbpasswd, or lower the security to share in the samba config file
[02:42] <der_steppenwolf> hello, i have a question about character encodings
[02:42] <nothlit> !ask
[02:42] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:43] <hawk_> can anyone help me
[02:43] <hawk_> i am geting an kernal panic when trying to install
[02:44] <jontec> I have two non-repo debs here that I need to install... how do I do that?
[02:44] <hawk_> anyone here
[02:44] <honkzilla> man dpkg
[02:44] <hawk_> that can help me
[02:44] <nothlit> sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[02:44] <nothlit> does kubuntu have anything like gdebi?
[02:45] <hawk_> i am getting a kernal panic when intalling how do i fix it?
[02:45] <hawk_> desktop
[02:45] <nothlit> I saw debs before in konqueror and they got opened with ark
[02:45] <Jucato> nothlit: right click -> Kubuntu Package Menu -> Install package
[02:45] <Jucato> nothlit: they're planning to port gdebi to KDE next release
[02:46] <der_steppenwolf> well, i use cvs to checkout a project, but it seems the file names of the project are encoded in iso8859-1. So, when I see the file names I see '?' characters. I can change the encoding to UTF-8 by using the command convmv. However, if I want to see the differences using diff with my files and the files in the CVS obviously they are different. Is there any other way to work more transparently?
[02:46] <hawk_> i am getting a 42.502309 kernel panic how do i fix it
[02:46] <morgWork> anyone else have problems getting the ipw2100 working on an IBM T42?
[02:46] <hawk_> when intalling
[02:47] <goodthing> is there an easy to get the boot messages back in edgy?
[02:47] <nothlit> Jucato, does it just use dpkg or is there a graphical end to it?
[02:48] <goodthing> *+way
[02:48] <nothlit> goodthing, edit your grub menu.lst and take out the quiet
[02:48] <goodthing> way too cool, thank you :)
[02:48] <nothlit> that's the easiest way
[02:48] <Jucato> nothlit: which one? the Kubuntu Package Menu actually just launches xterm with the appropriate dpkg command. it's not a separate app.
[02:48] <LjL> nothlit: what are the other ways?
[02:48] <nothlit> Jucato, kubuuntu package menu... thnx
[02:49] <php-freak> can i share xubuntu with kubunut
[02:49] <php-freak> I want to sahre desktops, or let someone else access my desktop
[02:49] <hawk_> i am getting a kernal panic when instaling can i fix it
[02:49] <nothlit> LjL, lol, i suppose you could embed grub with a setup, or edit it each time on boot, or use a different boot loader or run it off a live disc or something
[02:49] <nothlit> !x11vnc | php-freak
[02:49] <ubotu> x11vnc: VNC server which uses your current X11 session. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-1 (edgy), package size 438 kB, installed size 1104 kB
[02:50] <LjL> nothlit: ah, ok, i thought there were other ways besides removing the "quiet" kernel parameter
[02:50] <nothlit> LjL, i was just saying thats as easy as it gets
[02:50] <LjL> nothlit: asking mainly because, if you try that, you'll see that it has the side-effect of giving you some (very brief, admittedly) textmode stuff dumped on the console before usplash starts
[02:51] <php-freak> well
[02:51] <php-freak> i have vnb
[02:51] <php-freak> how do i set my server up
[02:51] <nothlit> i thought it vomits all over tty1?
[02:51] <hawk_> i am getting a kernal panic when installing
[02:51] <LjL> nothlit: that's probably what it does
[02:52] <nothlit> yeah i get it all over tty1 and different info from usplash
[02:52] <LjL> nothlit: but then, when usplash takes over, that's not a problem anymore. it's just the split second when usplash isn't loaded yet that is a bit "ugly" with 'quiet' removed
[02:52] <nothlit> but if i switch between the two byebye usplash
[02:52] <the-erm> php-freak: apt-get install apache2
[02:52] <nothlit> i just get the bar if it happens to move
[02:53] <ablyss> php-freak: why not use krfb
[02:53] <menteck> i am getting a kernal panic when i try to intall is there a way i can fix it
[02:53] <LjL> !install
[02:53] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[02:53] <menteck> thank you for your help
[02:53] <nothlit> LjL, hmm how would you flush apps from ports? I have had x11vnc processes incorrectly terminate and now I'm at :5902
[02:54] <ablyss> krfb is an easy gui app that allow instant sharing of your current desktop
[02:54] <nothlit> !krfb
[02:54] <ubotu> krfb: Desktop Sharing for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 921 kB, installed size 1644 kB
[02:54] <sl00> Hi. Is there a LiveCD available that is using KDE 3.80.2 ?
[02:54] <LjL> nothlit, dunno, i guess there's probably just some file in /var/lock that you could remove manually
[02:54] <nothlit> its a kde thing? he wants to share from xubuntu to kubuntu
[02:54] <nothlit> !miniiso
[02:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about miniiso - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:55] <LjL> it's a VNC server (or client, whichever it is)
[02:55] <nothlit> LjL, hmmm the mini iso isn't very visible
[02:55] <LjL> should work well with the Gnome equivalent
[02:55] <nothlit> vino-server is HORRIBLY documented
[02:55] <LjL> nothlit: indeed, i just got to knew about its existence a few days ago
[02:55] <nothlit> HORRIBLY HORRIBLY HORRIBLY
[02:55] <LjL> well, about what it did anyway
[02:55] <nothlit> just use x11vnc
[02:55] <LjL> nothlit: i'm not adding a factoid or a decent wiki page yet just because i haven't tried it yet, but i intend to
[02:55] <the-erm> er ... what about ssh?
[02:56] <nothlit> ssh is for tunneling/transferring/console?
[02:56] <the-erm> Do you *need* to be able to see the desktop, or do you just need access to the data?
[02:56] <trappist> nothlit: you can tunnel X apps over ssh
[02:56] <the-erm> yup.
[02:57] <nothlit> Yeah but its not the safest thing to do and it doesn't do remote desktop sharing
[02:57] <trappist> nothlit: ssh -c blowfish -X somehost xcalc for example
[02:57] <NameNomad> does anyone know a good anti-virus program for Linux?
[02:57] <NameNomad> I won't ever need it
[02:57] <NameNomad> probably
[02:57] <trappist> nothlit: (I recommend -c blowfish for this because it's faster)
[02:57] <nothlit> trappist, i know lol, i tunnel x apps to windows even
[02:57] <NameNomad> but it doesn't hurt to have one installed
[02:57] <the-erm> Personally I'd recommend using shfs, or konqueror to sftp:// in then edit the file with the local program, then save it there.
[02:57] <trappist> nothlit: oh :)
[02:58] <nothlit> NameNomad, theres panda and clamav
[02:58] <NameNomad> either one better than the other?
[02:58] <nothlit> they have how to's on the wiki help.ubuntu.com/community
[02:59] <morvok> why does my apt-get install refuse to find packages?
[02:59] <nothlit> i would say clamav is a better tool
[02:59] <nothlit> and easier to install
[02:59] <nothlit> but you need to follow the wiki
[02:59] <nothlit> morvok, it doesn't search for packages... but you might not have the right repos enabled
[02:59] <nothlit> !repos | morvok
[02:59] <ubotu> morvok: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections.   Last I heard there were no active viruses in linux.  Just ones that could effect the mail server.
[03:00] <nothlit> trappist, btw also add -C if its over WAN
[03:00] <nothlit> linux isn't perfectly safe
[03:00] <morvok> nothlit: thanks
[03:00] <nothlit> and usually just to scan documents that you may forward, or to scan windows machines and partitions
[03:00] <trappist> nothlit: nice, hadn't seen that before
[03:00] <NameNomad> pretty much
[03:01] <NameNomad> for me, I've started to torrent things
[03:01] <menteck> dos  this have a problem with hyberthreading
[03:01] <the-erm> I have no windows partitions on this computer, it's all server, all linux.
[03:01] <NameNomad> because I'm too poor for buying
[03:01] <NameNomad> and I just want to be sure I'm safe
[03:01] <menteck> hardware
[03:01] <mark_> hi
[03:01] <menteck> hello
[03:01] <nothlit> the-erm, so you never have to forward emails with attachments, or documents, spreadsheets, presentations?
[03:01] <mark_> hi mentek
[03:02] <menteck> hows it going
[03:02] <menteck> mark
[03:02] <mark_> not too bad, urself
[03:02] <menteck> just intalling kubuntu on my spare computer
[03:03] <mark_> I'm a total newbie, just trying things out
[03:03] <menteck> well i am kind of know
[03:03] <menteck> new
[03:03] <menteck> lol
[03:04] <menteck> i have tryed out several other linux things and now it is time to try this one
[03:04] <mark_> how's the install going
[03:04] <bear-> booted faster than I thought it would
[03:04] <bear-> but, is there not a wpa_supplicant?
[03:04] <menteck> i had problems at first with hardware
[03:05] <menteck> bad memory stick but the cool thing is the Kubuntu found it and told me
[03:05] <mark_> took me a bit of messing to get printer working, scanner still not, but everything else no probs
[03:05] <nothlit> LjL, wow... the ops really go through the factoids before they finally push them through?
[03:06] <menteck> bad thing i have to find more memory know
[03:06] <menteck> how long have you been using linux for? Mark
[03:06] <mark_> trying to install 'wine' so i can use windows software/games
[03:07] <NameNomad> thanks for the help folks, I gotta hit the road though
[03:07] <NameNomad> busy day
[03:07] <menteck> thats why i changed to to kubuntu
[03:07] <mark_> oooh, about 2 weeks with a good few days off
[03:07] <menteck> wine dos not work in slackware with out pull out some hair so here i am
[03:07] <BluesKaj> well, thought I was fixinga problem, but I've lost permission to my hda1 partition ... uhoh !
[03:08] <mark_> yeah, i'm fed up with microsh*t so trying linux, firefox, etc
[03:08] <BluesKaj> so trying what , mark_ ?
[03:08] <LjL> nothlit: actually, no, i'll add it. i was just a bit unsure on a couple of things - there was a wiki page that confused me
[03:08] <mark_> kubuntu bluesKaj
[03:09] <nothlit> LjL, no in general, not the miniiso in particular
[03:09] <menteck> you see what you realy need to do is get VMware and intall it into linux then install windows inside VMware like i plane to do one of theses days
[03:09] <nothlit> That sounds horrible
[03:10] <nothlit> !qemu
[03:10] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[03:10] <nothlit> !kqemu
[03:10] <ubotu> kqemu is non-free kernel module for speeding up the !QEMU virtual machine. Installation instructions can be found at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/KQEmu - see also !qvm86
[03:10] <mark_> i guess thats a bit complex if you are planning it
[03:10] <LjL> nothlit: well, inaccurate factoids are not good for sure, so i rather double check before adding them
[03:10] <nothlit> running windows inside linux sounds horrible no matter which method you use
[03:10] <menteck> but why
[03:10] <T3hWiz0rd> why's that?
[03:11] <T3hWiz0rd> if you have a system that can support it, its not a big deal.
[03:11] <nothlit> LjL, ahh... I just found a few I submitted very heavily modified is all
[03:11] <BluesKaj> mark_, don't do what i did ..try to get better access between partitions ...I kinda blew it ...now i cant even see my windows partition ...oh the beauty of linux ..whenya screw up , it's usually a doozie  :)
[03:12] <LjL> nothlit: !elaborate etc? we already had factoids very similar to those, and we merged things a bit
[03:12] <menteck> a dont tell him that
[03:12] <LjL> !nothing | nothlit, this is one we didn't merge, for instance
[03:12] <ubotu> nothlit, this is one we didn't merge, for instance: Saying "It says nothing", "It does nothing" is generally not very useful for troubleshooting. Please be as specific as possible: if you see a black screen, say so, if you see a shell prompt, say so, if you see an !error message, say so. - Also, most !CLI commands don't print anything when they succeed, but only when they fail.
[03:12] <menteck>  you will scare him away
[03:12] <menteck> lol
[03:12] <menteck> and i am the one installing it
[03:13] <menteck> and your scaring me
[03:13] <mark_> i'm not getting scared yet, just dizzy
[03:13] <CSonicGo> lol
[03:13] <nothlit> LjL, hmm anyways I think there should be a warning somewhere about mounting to /media /mnt instead of subfolders inside, I've seen it happen a few times today
[03:13] <mark_> i seem to be going round in circles trying different things but getting nowhere
[03:13] <nothlit> LjL, its up to you guys of course
[03:14] <pacman_> anyone have a good recommendation for .flac to .mp3 converter?
[03:14] <LjL> nothlit: well, does anything extremely bad happen even if someone does that? the linked page does tell you to mount under /media/something
[03:14] <CSonicGo> audacity can do it now I think
[03:14] <mark_> mentek, what other installs have you tried and how were they
[03:14] <LjL> nothlit: basically the problem is, factoids need to be short in order to not look like spam themselves, and they tend to grow very easily. they should just point you to the relevant information, with some *very* basic hints
[03:15] <nothlit> LjL, dunno, haven't tried it, and people mostly had empty /mnt folders so
[03:15] <LjL> nothlit: admittedly, we don't have a decent page about mounting partitions, in my opinion. !fstab even links to a site that's not the ubuntu wiki
[03:15] <murchadh_bhaba> pacman_, soundkonverter I think!
[03:15] <menteck> other ones that i have tryed
[03:15] <LjL> nothlit, it really shouldn't cause damage, i think. what's "behind" the mount stays untouched
[03:15] <menteck> that worked?
[03:15] <nothlit> LjL, i could try inaccurately mounting something over a folder now
[03:15] <LjL> nothlit: one thing that should *not* be done otoh is mounting under /tmp ;-)
[03:15] <nothlit> LjL, ahh ok
[03:16] <mark_> that worked or didn't
[03:16] <menteck> working...
[03:16] <menteck> ok
[03:16] <nothlit> lool
[03:16] <soulrider> finaly~!
[03:16] <soulrider> got ubuntu up and running :P
[03:17] <soulrider> piece of advice to everyone, dont try mandriva :P
[03:17] <soulrider> !easysource
[03:17] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic.  It does not currently support Edgy sources.  When asked if it will, the reply was "maybe".
[03:17] <BluesKaj> mark..I'm just pi..ed. I 'll eventully gety helpto fix my problem. I 'm just telling you to be careful
[03:17] <LjL> nothlit: well... imho it's a bug with the way /tmp works, but it wasn't accepted as a bug :)
[03:17] <mark_> thanks Blues, partitions seem fine so far
[03:17] <luca> hi everyone
[03:17] <mark_> hi luca
[03:18] <bear-> hmmm
[03:19] <menteck> knoppics, slakware,redhat,mandreak and made on of my own
[03:19] <bear-> I need to see if there's WPA so I can access my AP
[03:19] <menteck> on is one
[03:19] <menteck> BRB
[03:19] <mark_> ok mentek
[03:19] <bear-> menteck: I remember starting off witih Slackware 3.4
[03:20] <LjL> !minimal | nothlit
[03:20] <ubotu> nothlit: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only the packages you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD for more information
[03:20] <momal> Anyone have an recommendations for good video editors under linux ?
[03:21] <nothlit> LjL, :D
[03:22] <menteck> back for some time
[03:24] <mark_> mentek, you made your own, how did that go
[03:25] <menteck> i downlaoded a kernal form kernal.org and just kind of did it from scrach not something every one wants to do
[03:25] <hex_st0rm> !adept crash fix
[03:25] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[03:26] <menteck> and i found a guid on the internet some place i will see if i can find it
[03:26] <mark_> sounds like fun
[03:27] <mark_> what country are you in mentek?
[03:27] <menteck> it was a lot of fun and i learnd so much
[03:27] <menteck> USA
[03:28] <mark_> I'm in the UK so it's 2:30am, I'm off to bed cos I got to work tomorrow
[03:28] <nothlit> suid/guid usage is unsafe btw
[03:28] <menteck> dam dude you stay up way to late
[03:28] <menteck> lol
[03:29] <menteck> but sleep is for the weak
[03:29] <mark_> I know, lol, I'll catch upi at the weekend
[03:29] <nothlit> LjL, neat, I mounted a fuse fs and even made a dir with the same name, but everything was preserved inside
[03:29] <mark_> oops up not upi
[03:29] <menteck> kk hope to see you soon
[03:30] <mark_> anyway, nice chatting, no doubt I'll be back soon, I dont give up easily
[03:30] <menteck> how else is up for some chatting
[03:30] <menteck> ????
[03:30] <mark_> take care & good night
[03:30] <menteck> you to mark
[03:30] <murchadh_bhaba> !cifs
[03:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cifs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:31] <nothlit> !smbfs
[03:31] <RoKFiT> does anyone here use cedega?
[03:31] <ubotu> smbfs: mount and umount commands for the smbfs (for kernels >= than 2.2.x). In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.22-1ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 375 kB, installed size 900 kB
[03:31] <nothlit> !cedega | RoKFiT
[03:31] <ubotu> RoKFiT: cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[03:31] <nothlit> !anyone
[03:31] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[03:31] <coreymon77> guys
[03:32] <coreymon77> im curious
[03:32] <coreymon77> is it possible to partition a drive used or windows without harming the data on it?
[03:32] <coreymon77> used for*
[03:32] <nothlit> !gparted | coreymon77, yes it is
[03:32] <ubotu> coreymon77, yes it is: gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[03:32] <tijoe> i can't see my panel in xubuntu. can anyone help?
[03:32] <nothlit> coreymon77, the livecd has gparte on it
[03:33] <nothlit> #xubuntu?
[03:33] <BluesKaj> gparted is a live cd
[03:33] <coreymon77> oh
[03:33] <menteck> no it is not possible with out 3d part software. coreymom
[03:33] <coreymon77> because im introducing my friend to kubuntu
[03:33] <coreymon77> and he only has one drive
[03:33] <tijoe> yes
[03:33] <coreymon77> does the dapper livecd has this gparted thing?
[03:34] <nothlit> yes
[03:34] <nothlit> oh kubuntu uses qtparted
[03:34] <nothlit> but ntfs resizing should be fine
[03:34] <RoKFiT> do I have to have a cdrom to use cedega?
[03:35] <coreymon77> so the dapper livecd has qparted preinstalled?
[03:36] <coreymon77> cause i want to introduce him to kubuntu but dont want to damage his drive
[03:36] <coreymon77> does it?
[03:36] <RoKFiT> cedega is freezing on check for updates.
[03:38] <nothlit> I was told that it does
[03:38] <RoKFiT> and i can't mount my hd
[03:38] <bartkorn> Hi
[03:38] <nothlit> If not you can burn the gparted or ubuntu livecd to partition it first
[03:39] <coreymon77> of course he should back up everything first though
[03:40] <nothlit> lol sure
[03:40] <nothlit> but i don't
[03:40] <coreymon77> wouldnt hurt
[03:40] <coreymon77> so this will resize without damaging?
[03:40] <nothlit> Yup
[03:41] <nothlit> ntfsprogs/resize are highly tested
[03:41] <RoKFiT> can anyone help me with this error?...
[03:41] <RoKFiT> [mntent] : warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
[03:41] <RoKFiT> mount: special device /dev/hda does not exist
[03:41] <nothlit> they've actually defrag it for you too
[03:41] <nothlit> since the windows defraggers aren't good enough
[03:42] <pablo7> RokFiT: did you add the /dev/hda to /etc/fstab ?
[03:43] <morvok> hrm... when enabling option "fbdev" for X my log says device is /dev/fb0 is not found.
[03:43] <mike-kayaker> Installed kde in Bea very stable
[03:43] <morvok> but it is present
[03:43] <nothlit> !framebuffer
[03:43] <ubotu> If you would like information on framebuffers, please visit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer
[03:43] <morvok> hehe
[03:43] <morvok> cool bot
[03:44] <CSonicGo> !xscreensaver
[03:44] <ubotu> xscreensaver: Automatic screensaver for X. In component main, is optional. Version 4.24-4ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 272 kB, installed size 2216 kB
[03:45] <CSonicGo> nice bot indee
[03:46] <jerp> When they say that Beryl is a fork of Compiz, what are they saying?
[03:47] <ForzaPalermo> hey guys is there a way to burn tracks crossfading in k3b?
[03:47] <morvok> that didn't help any.
[03:48] <pablo7> RoKFiT:!audacity
[03:48] <ForzaPalermo> sorry i x;d out did anyone have an answer to my question?
[03:49] <nothlit> jerp, compiz and beryl used to be the same thing, the community didn't like what novell was doing with compiz so they took what was there and made their own version
[03:49] <ForzaPalermo> anyone know if u can crossfade tracks in k3b?
[03:49] <ForzaPalermo> and if so how?
[03:50] <jerp> I read today at Linux Journal that novell is getting real cllose with MS
[03:50] <nothlit> thats old news lol
[03:52] <menteck> what is this manesft83 thing in the start up about
[03:52] <morvok> all fixed
[03:52] <RoKFiT> would it be a bad idea for me to change from dash to bash as my shell script type?
[03:52] <RoKFiT> to accomidate a program
[03:52] <LjL> !dash
[03:52] <ubotu> /bin/sh links to the DASH shell in Ubuntu Edgy (6.10). Since DASH is not 100% compatible with the BASH shell, some scripts might break. You can make scripts execute using BASH by changing the first line of the script to "#!/bin/bash"
[03:54] <menteck> how do i login as root
[03:54] <LjL> Ubotu, tell menteck about root | menteck, see the private message from Ubotu
[03:54] <BluesKaj> tomorrow i'll ask about reagaining permission to access my NFTS partition ...to tired to handle any advice tonite ... nite all:)
[03:55] <BluesKaj> see NTFS
[03:56] <menteck> i would like to run as root anyway
[03:56] <menteck> and is that thing a bot
[03:56] <RoKFiT> how do i install wine?
[03:56] <RoKFiT> or is it pre-installed
[03:56] <RoKFiT> !wine
[03:56] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:56] <menteck> that is another Q i have
[03:56] <RoKFiT> how do i install wine?
[03:57] <nothlit> !synaptic | RoKFiT
[03:57] <ubotu> RoKFiT: synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[03:57] <RoKFiT> which package
[03:57] <menteck> how do i get into root acount
[03:57] <RoKFiT> libwine?
[03:58] <RoKFiT> winefish
[03:58] <menteck> anyone
[03:58] <nothlit> wine rofl
[03:58] <nothlit> !info wine
[03:58] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.22-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 9001 kB, installed size 42452 kB
[03:58] <nothlit> !sudo | menteck
[03:58] <ubotu> menteck: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:58] <RoKFiT> nothing is listed when i search for wine
[03:58] <nothlit> !repos | RoKFiT
[03:58] <ubotu> RoKFiT: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:58] <jerp> menteck: 'sudo' should do it
[03:58] <RoKFiT> all repos are enabled
[03:58] <menteck> well i know that but i would like to be in root
[03:59] <menteck>  i just have this thing about not haveing full control over my computer much like M$
[03:59] <jerp> being in root runs the risk of damages happening and systems breaking
[03:59] <RoKFiT> all repos are enabled, and when i search wine i find libwine and libwine-dev
[04:00] <nothlit> menteck, read the article linked?
[04:00] <nothlit> !repos | RoKFiT
[04:00] <ubotu> RoKFiT: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:00] <nothlit> !sudo | menteck
[04:00] <menteck> i know that but have made my own Linux before so i should be fine
[04:00] <ubotu> menteck: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:00] <menteck> never mind
[04:00] <menteck> i will find out on my own
[04:00] <RoKFiT> nothlit: they are enabled
[04:00] <menteck> thanx anyway
[04:00] <RoKFiT> all repos are enabled
[04:00] <mike1980> Hi guys could someone please help me.  I did this command "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" now I would like to remove it can anyone help please?
[04:00] <RoKFiT> nothlit: all of them
[04:00] <nothlit> RoKFiT, update you repos
[04:01] <nothlit> !info wine
[04:01] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.22-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 9001 kB, installed size 42452 kB
[04:01] <RoKFiT> nothlit: how?
[04:01] <nothlit> RoKFiT, update as in synchronise
[04:01] <nothlit> RoKFiT, sudo aptitude update
[04:01] <nothlit> RoKFiT, its in the universe repo
[04:01] <menteck> what is the password to the root acount on this thing
[04:01] <novato182> good night  guys
[04:01] <menteck> is it the same as the one that i set for my self
[04:01] <jerp> menteck: it ahs to be made
[04:01] <jerp> has
[04:02] <nothlit> menteck, READ THE LINK
[04:02] <angasule> winehq has a repo for ubuntu which is up to date
[04:02] <nothlit> !sudo | menteck
[04:02] <ubotu> menteck: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:02] <nothlit> yeah it has .27
[04:03] <RoKFiT> nothlit: universe is enabled and wine is not showing up
[04:03] <mike1980> Hi guys could someone please help me.  I did this command "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" now I would like to remove it can anyone help please?
[04:03] <pacman> sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[04:03] <Chousuke> that doesn't help
[04:04] <menteck> i am so sorry for not doing what you guys told me
[04:04] <novato182> apt-get remove
[04:04] <mike1980> pacmanL ok thanksa I will give that a try
[04:04] <RoKFiT> nothlit:
[04:04] <menteck> i  read and now i now
[04:04] <mike1980> pacman: ok thanksa I will give that a try
[04:04] <pacman> *nods*
[04:04] <Chousuke> it will only remove the kubuntu-desktop metapackage
[04:04] <Chousuke> which is probably not what you want.
[04:05] <nothlit> RoKFiT, sudo aptitude install wine
[04:05] <nothlit> !purekde
[04:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about purekde - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:05] <nothlit> !puregnome
[04:05] <mike1980> Chousuke: I want to get rid of all the stuff it install
[04:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about puregnome - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:05] <RoKFiT> no candidate version for wine
[04:05] <nothlit> mike1980, you need to go to psychocats.net
[04:05] <Chousuke> mike1980: you can try removing some kde libraries.
[04:06] <nothlit> mike1980, they'll tell you how
[04:06] <Chousuke> hm
[04:06] <nothlit> RoKFiT, you didn't get your sources.list right... put the contents in a pastebin
[04:06] <nothlit> !pastebin | RoKFiT
[04:06] <ubotu> RoKFiT: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:06] <Chousuke> someone needs to write a deinstall-kubuntu-desktop script :P
[04:06] <RoKFiT> where is sources.list located
[04:06] <mike1980> Chousuke: I guess if I remove x it will not start up anyways on my server right?
[04:07] <Chousuke> mike1980: yeah.
[04:07] <Chousuke> if you remove X you will only have the command line .
[04:07] <RoKFiT> nothlit: where is it located
[04:07] <nothlit> RoKFiT, /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:07] <nothlit> RoKFiT, patience
[04:07] <mike1980> Chousuke: ya ok cool I just don't want to eat up cpu and ram on a web server but need the GUI to set up
[04:08] <nothlit> mike1980, why?
[04:08] <RoKFiT> nothlit: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37105/
[04:09] <mike1980> nothlit: why? waht part
[04:09] <mike1980> nothlit: why? what part
[04:09] <nothlit> RoKFiT, patience
[04:09] <nothlit> oh
[04:09] <RoKFiT> okay
[04:09] <nothlit> mike-kayaker, why do you need a gui to set it up
[04:10] <nothlit> RoKFiT, ok, run this command sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install wine
[04:10] <mike1980> nothlit: I like to click I am new Guy lol
[04:10] <malcolm> i need write access to my ntfs partition, can anyone help me?
[04:10] <nothlit> !nfts-3g | malcolm
[04:10] <Chousuke> mike1980: actually, setting up a server is mostly command line work
[04:10] <mike1980> nothlit: need pictures lol
[04:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nfts-3g - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:10] <nothlit> !ntfs-3g | malcolm
[04:10] <Chousuke> mike1980: the GUI isn't going to help you much
[04:10] <ubotu> malcolm: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[04:11] <nothlit> well kcontrol has good tie ins to things like samba right?
[04:11] <mike1980> Chousuke: ya I noticed that after the fact woops
[04:11] <unix_infidel> nothlit: define "tie-ins"
[04:11] <unix_infidel> you should configure samba independently of a gui.
[04:11] <RoKFiT> nothlit: so what was the problem, did that just install wine?  and why didn't it show up in my repo search
[04:11] <mike1980> ok thanks guys for your help
[04:11] <nothlit> gui interface
[04:11] <mike1980> LaTeZ
[04:12] <nothlit> RoKFiT, you didn't update /synchronise
[04:12] <RoKFiT> how do i do that?
[04:12] <nothlit> RoKFiT, did you hit enter and did it work?
[04:12] <RoKFiT> yes it worked
[04:12] <nothlit> RoKFiT, then yes it installed wine, and you synchronise by doing sudo aptitude update
[04:13] <nothlit> also the computer automatically synchronises everyday
[04:13] <RoKFiT> but it didn't update the first time
[04:13] <RoKFiT> how do i open it with wine
[04:13] <mauro> !nvidia
[04:13] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:14] <shadowhywind> hay seeing someone talk bout nvidia, i have an issue
[04:14] <RoKFiT> nothlit: wine is still not installed
[04:14] <e1mer> anyone experience sound problems? sometimes its ok, sometimes its not working
[04:14] <nothlit> RoKFiT, aptitude show wine
[04:14] <shadowhywind> i can't start X on boot up, unless i reinstall the drivers. But it only works for that boot.
[04:14] <nothlit> RoKFiT, tell me if it says installed/not installed
[04:14] <malcolm> i'm using kubuntu, doi have dapperor edgy?
[04:15] <nothlit> malcolm, kubuntu is available for both
[04:15] <RoKFiT> no candidate version found for wine State: not a real package
[04:15] <malcolm> how do i know what i have?
[04:15] <nothlit> !version | malcolm
[04:15] <ubotu> malcolm: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type 'lsb_release -a' in the Terminal.
[04:16] <nothlit> RoKFiT, ok, run kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list .. and change every us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com
[04:17] <nothlit> RoKFiT, then run sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install wine
[04:17] <nothlit> RoKFiT, the us archive is sort of broken
[04:17] <RoKFiT> how?
[04:18] <RoKFiT> does kubuntu use synaptic?
[04:19] <nothlit> !adept | RoKFiT
[04:19] <ubotu> RoKFiT: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[04:19] <nothlit> RoKFiT, just run those commands i told you in order
[04:21] <bgsteffens> is libdvdcss not available for 64 bit kubuntu?
[04:21] <crimsun_> not by default
[04:22] <crimsun_> you have to compile it from source yourself.
[04:22] <RoKFiT> nothlit:  are you there?
[04:22] <bgsteffens> unbelievable
[04:22] <RoKFiT> nothlit: did i mention i'm on x86_64
[04:22] <bgsteffens> i don't understand how so many people have the time to mess with linux.
[04:23] <crimsun_> bgsteffens: most of us simply don't; we sacrifice other things (yanno, opportunity cost...)
[04:24] <bgsteffens> >_<
[04:24] <bgsteffens> seems like all the simple little things i want to be able to do
[04:24] <bgsteffens> takes 2 hours of asking questions, reading forums, trying things, not working, etc
[04:24] <CSonicGo> heh
[04:24] <CSonicGo> it takes time
[04:24] <bgsteffens> i don't even want to TRY the more complicated things i wanted to do with linux
[04:25] <CSonicGo> the only beef I have with linux is the Nvidia with Xorg
[04:25] <CSonicGo> .;(
[04:27] <unix_infidel> CSonicGo: that tends to work really well for everyone else.
[04:27] <lexi__> hi @all. just installed latest kernel security updates for edgy. at the end apt installl called update-initramfs what caused these error-messages: http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/5945/ . the resulting initrd.img is not bootable.  help is very much appreciated :)
[04:28] <CSonicGo> unix_infidel: not for my 6100
[04:28] <CSonicGo> and my widescreen LCD
[04:28] <CSonicGo> :(
[04:28] <unix_infidel> CSonicGo: maybe instead of just re-iterating what you said earlier you could give me some specifics about your problem.
[04:29] <unix_infidel> eg, the errors that pop up when you use the driver?
[04:30] <CSonicGo> oh
[04:30] <Fleebailey33> is there a linux amd64 chan?
[04:30] <CSonicGo> heh it never fits to my screen
[04:30] <CSonicGo> I have a 1680X1050 screen
[04:30] <CSonicGo> and it never fills the whole thing
[04:31] <bartkorn> why here aren't any ops ?
[04:31] <unix_infidel> Fleebailey33: you mean generic Linux for AMD64? Doubtful, we just group you wanna be instruction set-ers along with the rest of us x86_32 folks :)
[04:32] <CSonicGo> !nvidia
[04:32] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:32] <unix_infidel> bartkorn: Ops dont beleive in showing their teeth unless they have to I guess.
[04:32] <bgsteffens> so how would i go about compiling libdvdcss for amd64? does kubuntu come with gcc preinstalled?
[04:33] <CSonicGo> !wine
[04:33] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[04:33] <CSonicGo> !Directx
[04:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Directx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:33] <CSonicGo> heh
[04:34] <bartkorn> i'm using amd64 and everything that just not working is w32codecs, everything else is ok
[04:34] <bgsteffens> i'm considering just reinstalling kubuntu, 32bit version
[04:35] <pablo7> bgsteffens: works for me.
[04:35] <bgsteffens> think that will make my life much easier?
[04:36] <bgsteffens> lol
[04:36] <bartkorn> no
[04:36] <CSonicGo> that's what I use
[04:36] <unix_infidel> 64 vs. 32 is a life choice.
[04:36] <unix_infidel> Depends on whether you have a life outside of linux to begin with :)
[04:37] <bartkorn> it would say that your cpu is less powerfull that it really is if you are yousing 2 core
[04:37] <Fleebailey33> becuase some stuff like nerolinux is only x86-32
[04:37] <pablo7> unix_infidel: is ppc then suicide?
[04:37] <Fleebailey33> once went there
[04:37] <Fleebailey33> indeed it was
[04:37] <Fleebailey33> just run os x
[04:38] <Fleebailey33> not a bad os
[04:38] <unix_infidel> pablo7: what's OS X not doing for you that linux can?
[04:38] <bgsteffens> challenging their patience!!
[04:38] <bgsteffens> lol
[04:38] <Fleebailey33> wow new os x has four desktops!!!!
[04:38] <pablo7> unix_infidel: remove $ from wallet.
[04:38] <Fleebailey33> like linux hasnt been doing that with 20 desktops for how long?
[04:39] <bartkorn> Fleebailey33: k3b is ok, why do you need nero ? ;d
[04:39] <bgsteffens> i've never used nero on any platform besides windows but from what i've done with k3b so far
[04:39] <bgsteffens> it beats the hell out of any version of nero/windows i've seen
[04:39] <blue> hi guys, i just installed kubuntu on my ibook g4. when X starts up, i get pink artifacts all over my screen. switching to a vt, and then back to get again fixes it. anyone else have these issues?
[04:40] <CSonicGo> I do
[04:40] <CSonicGo> I just live with it :X
[04:40] <blue> :/
[04:40] <CSonicGo> it goes away after a while
[04:41] <RoKFiT> does anyone know how to edit the K menu icon?
[04:41] <Fleebailey33> startx
[04:41] <Fleebailey33> CSonicGo: ?
[04:41] <bartkorn> blue: use your colour sticks ;p
[04:41] <blue> ?
[04:42] <bartkorn> blue: like this from school ...
[04:42] <Jucato> RoKFiT: <apt> Instructions for changing the K menu icon: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2551958 . Alternatively, use kbfx
[04:42] <CSonicGo> heh
[04:42] <blue> i still have no idea what colour sticks are lol. oh well i'll go check the forums again to find help
[04:43] <Fleebailey33> CSonicGo: it worked i take it
[04:43] <bartkorn> blue: never draw ? poor childhood ? ;d
[04:44] <CSonicGo> yes
[04:44] <bartkorn> c ya xD
[04:45] <CSonicGo> heh I'm blocked from privmsg
[04:45] <CSonicGo> that's like, lame
[04:45] <CSonicGo> oh well
[04:45] <Fleebailey33> oh
[04:45] <Fleebailey33> lame
[04:45] <Fleebailey33> well all i said was
[04:45] <Jucato> CSonicGo: you need to register your nick in order to PM someone on freenode
[04:45] <Fleebailey33> i had a powerbook g4 i ran it on
[04:46] <Fleebailey33> freaked me out
[04:46] <CSonicGo> heh
[04:46] <CSonicGo> I see
[04:46] <Fleebailey33> there is a perminent way to fix it
[04:46] <Fleebailey33> or it might fix itself
[04:46] <Fleebailey33> brb
[04:46] <Jucato> !register | CSonicGo
[04:46] <ubotu> CSonicGo: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[04:46] <bgsteffens> can anyone help get me started compiling libdvdcss for amd64?
[04:49] <menteck> how do i turn on hardware acceloration
[04:50] <ahriman> How to get bash completion when starting a command with e.g sudo
[04:50] <menteck> video card acceloration
[04:50] <wicketnezz> how can i tell if im using linux x86 or linux x86_64?
[04:50] <ahriman> menteck what is your video card?
[04:51] <shadowhywind> hay all i need some help
[04:51] <menteck> one min
[04:51] <shadowhywind> Is it
[04:51] <shadowhywind> "safe" to remove the linux-restricted-modules?
[04:51] <crimsun_> if you don't use hardware that requires them for functionality, sure.
[04:52] <crimsun_> namely, atheros wifi, nvidia/ati graphics
[04:52] <crimsun_> or ipw3945 wifi
[04:52] <shadowhywind> thats the thing. I belive that package is causing my nvidia driver issues
[04:52] <crimsun_> in what sense?
[04:52] <CSonicGo> to the person that made power supply cables so hard to pull out: )!@#*!@)*!!
[04:52] <shadowhywind> its is coming up with an API mismatch
[04:53] <shadowhywind> the nvidia kernel module has one version, while X module has another
[04:53] <crimsun_> did you compile the Nvidia driver yourself or something?
[04:53] <shadowhywind> compiled my self
[04:53] <crimsun_> then that's why.
[04:53] <crimsun_> you need to recompile nvidia.ko
[04:54] <shadowhywind> how would i go about doing that
[04:54] <crimsun_> follow the directions you used to compile them like you did initially
[04:54] <shadowhywind> because i have been running like 4 months with no problems, till i did some upgrades today
[04:54] <crimsun_> yes, we had some security updates today for the kernel.
[04:54] <shadowhywind> the only command that i did to compile the driver was sh NVIDIA<stuff> from nvidias website
[04:55] <menteck> how can i find out what video card i have
[04:56] <ahriman> What to do to make use of bash completion when starting with e.g 'sudo apt-g[tab] '
[04:56] <shadowhywind> so any ideas crimsun_
[04:57] <crimsun_> shadowhywind: I just told you.
[04:57] <ahriman> menteck: try with 'lspci | grep VGA'
[04:57] <crimsun_> shadowhywind: the same directions you used last time will suffice.
[04:57] <shadowhywind> but i allready recompiled it. It works for this boot, but once i reboot i get the same issue
[04:57] <ahriman> shadowhywind: remove the nvidia driver from linux-restricted-modules
[04:57] <ahriman> and recompile
[04:58] <ahriman> the driver from nvidia
[04:58] <shadowhywind> how would i remove it?
[04:58] <menteck> found it it is Nvideo tnt 2
[04:58] <menteck> PCi
[04:58] <menteck> 32m
[04:58] <crimsun_> note how l-r-m is mounted on volatile.
[04:58] <ahriman> shadowhywind: get in to the directory nvidia driver is located under linux-restricted-driver (find?) and just rm nvidia.ko something
[04:59] <menteck> nvideo TNT2 modole 64 32m PCI is my video  card
[04:59] <shadowhywind> ok, i feel like a total noob asking this, But huh
[04:59] <ahriman> menteck: download http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9629/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9629-pkg1.run
[05:00] <ahriman> menteck:  and run 'sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9629-pkg1.run' but you need to exit from X before installing the driver
[05:00] <menteck> will that realy work it is an realy old card
[05:01] <ahriman> menteck: The installer will ask you if you want to fix your xconfig file automatic at the last step, choose yes
[05:01] <menteck> ok
[05:01] <ahriman> menteck: yes, acording to nvidia this package has support for your card
[05:01] <shadowhywind> ok i am in my linux-restricted-modules
[05:02] <shadowhywind> delete the nvidia and nvidia_legacy files?
[05:02] <ahriman> yes
[05:02] <menteck> how do i get out of X
[05:02] <shadowhywind> actraully they are directories
[05:02] <EnsignRedshirt> Hello, world.
[05:02] <shadowhywind> delete everything that is in the directory?
[05:02] <CSonicGo> yeah, HOW DO you get out of X?
[05:03] <shadowhywind> CSonicGo end session
[05:03] <EnsignRedshirt> I just downloaded 6.10 from www.kubuntu.org/download.php, but I can't find an md5sum listing there.
[05:03] <ahriman> shadowhywind: I think you only need to remove one single file.. nvidia.ko or nvidia.o
[05:03] <CSonicGo> did that
[05:03] <CSonicGo> but it's "still running" isn't it?
[05:03] <EnsignRedshirt> Is the md5sum on the kubuntu web page somewhere?
[05:03] <CSonicGo> I need to stop it so I can install the official linux driver.
[05:04] <CSonicGo> why is that such a pain to install? :(
[05:04] <shadowhywind> ahriman neather one as a nvidia.ko or .o they have nv.o, But if i don'tneed the files anyways, would it be safe to remove them all
[05:05] <ahriman> menteck: press ctrl+alt + F2, that vill take you to the console. type "telinit 1" this will shut down x and other unneccessary stuff. When you finis, type "telinit 3"
[05:05] <EnsignRedshirt> Nevermind, I found it... I had to click on the "Other installation options" to get to the page that has the md5sums.
[05:05] <ahriman> It should work, but test it :)
[05:05] <menteck> thanx i will get on it
[05:06] <ahriman> shadowhywind: remove them, if you get problem, just apt-get linux-restricted-driver-something (check it with apt-cache search linux-restricted) and install it then
[05:07] <wicketnezz> i could use some help when someone gets freed up
[05:08] <ahriman> CSonicGo: type telinit 1 from console to shutdown X, it's the easiest way
[05:09] <ahriman> CSonicGo: then when you are done. type telinit 3
[05:09] <ahriman> CSonicGo: telinit 2 when you are donw
[05:09] <CSonicGo> then the installer bitches that it isn't in telinit 3
[05:10] <CSonicGo> so what do? :(
[05:10] <ahriman> hehe
[05:10] <GWillakers> `
[05:10] <ahriman> CSonicGo: using gdm or kdm?
[05:10] <CSonicGo> kdm
[05:10] <menteck> what happen it reset my comuputer when i inter telint 1
[05:11] <ahriman> CSonicGo:  /etc/init.d/kdm stop  | when it is done.. just ps -e | grep Xorg and then kill -TERM pid
[05:12] <CSonicGo> you'd think they'd put that in the installer. :)
[05:12] <CSonicGo> heh.
[05:12] <ahriman> menteck: do as I told CSonicGo
[05:12] <CSonicGo> yes
[05:12] <ahriman> CSonicGo: what installer?
[05:12] <menteck> do what?
[05:12] <menteck> i am so lost
[05:13] <menteck> sorry
[05:13] <ahriman> menteck: are you using gnome or kde?
[05:14] <menteck> kde i found another way when it starts up click on the menu and it asks you if you like to login cosloe and click on it and your in console
[05:14] <ahriman> menteck: :)
[05:15] <ahriman> menteck: then go and install the drivers
[05:15] <CSonicGo> the nvidea installer
[05:15] <menteck> so i am in console mode know thanx for the help
[05:15] <CSonicGo> the "official" one you know
[05:15] <John-Z> Im so fat.. I disgust myself.
[05:15] <John-Z> :(
[05:15] <ahriman> CSonicGo: just /etc/init.d/kdm stop and then kill the X
[05:16] <CSonicGo> I'm not at that terminal at the moment, I will be soon though.
[05:16] <CSonicGo> so thanks :D
[05:16] <shadowhywind> Thank you all. It worked!
[05:16] <menteck> my card is not supported by this drive set
[05:16] <shadowhywind> *writes it down for future refrence
[05:16] <ahriman> you welcome
[05:16] <ahriman> menteck: tnt2 ?
[05:17] <menteck> here is what it says
[05:18] <GWillakers> Fix it John
[05:18] <menteck> the nevidia riva tnt2 model 64 pro gpu is supported through the nvidia lagacy linux graphics driver
[05:18] <John-Z> I just keep eating cheeseburgers..   I recently lost 40lbs
[05:19] <John-Z> The worste part of it all.. My girlfriend still loves me and still wants to have sex with me.
[05:19] <John-Z> That doesnt help..
[05:20] <John-Z> I need to lose 25 pounds.
[05:20] <GWillakers> You're right... send her my way!
[05:20] <John-Z> Maybe I should just pick up a nasty speed habit.. hrmm.
[05:20] <John-Z> haha
[05:20] <CSonicGo> haha
[05:20] <menteck> what do i do now
[05:20] <John-Z> Menteck, what are you working on?
[05:20] <menteck> do i get the drivers for this one or what
[05:20] <CSonicGo> "yeah he was 500 pounds, then he got into drugs..."
[05:20] <CSonicGo> "he's not 120 and I worry about him"
[05:20] <John-Z> lol
[05:20] <CSonicGo> *now
[05:21] <CSonicGo> jenny craig ain't got nothin on it
[05:21] <menteck> getting hardware acceloration working
[05:21] <John-Z> I'd be better off if my lady would ride my ass about the beer and fast food..   I ended up drinking the 6 pack and the bottle of wine.
[05:25] <John-Z> I can not resist beer.. when that crisp ice cold liquid hits my taste buds.. oooohhhhhh!
[05:25] <John-Z> I have a problem. Seriously.. all jokes aside..  Sorry
[05:26] <wicketnezz> ill give you a super size fry if you help
[05:27] <wicketnezz> :)
[05:27] <GWillakers> we're going to rename the channel #fat_linux_geeks
[05:27] <menteck> well you know if they could make a weight loss beer then we will be rich
[05:27] <John-Z> wicketnezz: DEAL!
[05:27] <menteck> do it do it
[05:27] <John-Z> Paypal me 99 cents to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:28] <John-Z> Then we'll talk.
[05:28] <wicketnezz> check that
[05:28] <wicketnezz> if you help me fix this
[05:28] <GWillakers> it's in the mail!
[05:28] <John-Z> Whats the deal?
[05:28] <wicketnezz> ill order a large pizza in your area and have it delivered to your home
[05:28] <wicketnezz> you wont even have to go to mcdonalds
[05:28] <menteck> lol
[05:28] <John-Z> OH SHIT!
[05:28] <John-Z> Lets get it on baby!
[05:29] <John-Z> How may I help you?
[05:29] <wicketnezz> lol
[05:29] <John-Z> For real though, pizza aside.. as I just ate 3 double cheeseburgers..
[05:29] <John-Z> What kind of problem are you having?
[05:29] <wicketnezz> mmmmmmm doublecheese burgers
[05:30] <John-Z> Im burping bits of burger up here and there..
[05:30] <John-Z> Its like a tasty little after meal treat each time.
[05:30] <GWillakers> eat slowly. wait between cheeseburgers at least 20minutes
[05:30] <GWillakers> it can take 20minutes for your brain to register that you're not hungry anymore
[05:30] <wicketnezz> im trying to install a ati radeon x1300 on a dell inspiron e1505 i have tried tips from various websites and still not been able to get the card functioning
[05:30] <wicketnezz> so i decided to do a fresh install and seek help
[05:31] <wicketnezz> im running kde on kubuntu 6.10
[05:31] <John-Z> Does ATI provide a linux driver for this model?
[05:31] <wicketnezz> yes
[05:31] <John-Z> Any success with it?
[05:32] <wicketnezz> well i just found there site for it
[05:32] <wicketnezz> and dont know if i want the ati driver installer
[05:32] <wicketnezz> xfree4.3 drivers or x.org.6.8 drivers
[05:33] <CSonicGo> my fan is making a weird noise..
[05:33] <levi_> For some reason I can't mount samba shares from windows box to linux box... says "Access Denied"... any thoughts?
[05:34] <wicketnezz> should i just go with the driver installer?
[05:34] <John-Z> I would.
[05:34] <John-Z> I have my ATI driver installed.
[05:34] <John-Z> In a Dell latitude d600
[05:34] <John-Z> Works perfect.
[05:34] <John-Z> What version of kubuntu are you using?
[05:35] <John-Z> Which release?
[05:35] <John-Z> Just saw, 6.10
[05:35] <heroilton> [02:37]  <John-Z> I have my ATI driver installe
[05:35] <John-Z> brb
[05:35] <John-Z> work.
[05:37] <wicketnezz> still kinda new to linux
[05:37] <menteck> i am back
[05:37] <TehKewl1> something has happened to my audio recording settings, I can't record anything through any microphone.
[05:37] <wicketnezz> will a .run work on kubuntu without altering it?
[05:37] <TehKewl1> it happened when I installed audacity last night
[05:40] <TehKewl1> wait, now it workd
[05:40] <TehKewl1> *works
[05:40] <menteck> hey anyone know anything about drivers
[05:40] <menteck> Nvidai one
[05:41] <menteck> hello anyone
[05:41] <menteck> are you there
[05:41] <Admiral_Chicago> gatsby: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ndiswrapper
[05:42] <menteck> your back
[05:42] <menteck> what is this link
[05:43] <menteck> hello anyone here
[05:43] <Admiral_Chicago> menteck: doing some wireless help...
[05:43] <Admiral_Chicago> it sucks
[05:43] <menteck> wireless help
[05:43] <menteck> ?
[05:44] <Admiral_Chicago> !wireless | menteck
[05:44] <ubotu> menteck: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:45] <menteck> cool stuff
[05:46] <menteck> just when every you get the time
[05:47] <noxwayxhome> hello
[05:47] <menteck> hello
[05:48] <noxwayxhome> how do you get into root
[05:49] <menteck> !sudo
[05:49] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:49] <aseigo> sudo -i
[05:49] <Admiral_Chicago> !sudo | noxwayxhome
[05:49] <ubotu> noxwayxhome: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:49] <noxwayxhome> ok
[05:49] <noxwayxhome> But i was woundering if some one could just tell me
[05:49] <menteck> well i can
[05:50] <menteck> i just asked that one my self
[05:50] <Dr_willis> sudo -s
[05:50] <Dr_willis> gives a root shell
[05:50] <menteck> fine take my time to shine from me
[05:51] <noxwayxhome> cool it worked
[05:52] <menteck> why couldnt anyone just told me that no i had to laern it the hard way
[05:52] <noxwayxhome> lo
[05:52] <noxwayxhome> lol
[05:53] <Dr_willis> Been reading up on MythTV lately
[05:53] <menteck> any one know anything about old Nvidia drivers
[05:53] <Dr_willis> menteck,  thats a little vague. :)
[05:53] <Dr_willis> they are 'old' heh heh
[05:54] <menteck> i have a video card that want do hardware accelration and i cant get to work right cuzz i can find drivers
[05:54] <Dr_willis> and this video card is a ?
[05:54] <menteck> the nevidia riva tnt2 model 64 pro gpu
[05:55] <menteck> PCI
[05:55] <wicketnezz> what would i need to type to install the file ati-driver-installer-8.32.5-x86_64.run?
[05:55] <Dr_willis> bash whatever.run (may work)
[05:55] <Dr_willis> or chmod +x whatever.run
[05:55] <Dr_willis> ./whatever.run
[05:55] <menteck> sudo sh ./ati-driver-installer-8.32.5-x86_64.run
[05:56] <Dr_willis> You have read up on the !ati factoid and ati wiki pages?
[05:56] <blueillusion> hi guys, how can i install unstable packages? there are some apps that i want, but i need the unstable versions.  Is it possible to "unmask" only certain packages like in gentoo?
[05:56] <digi|tize> I'm trying to install kubuntu 6.10.1 but the partition editor doesn't recognize the partition on the desired hd, which is an ntfs partition.  the hd info (drive maker and model) loads up, but not the actual partition, as a result i'm unable to resize the partition and setup more partitions for linux.  any ideas?
[05:56] <menteck> so do you know anything about my card
[05:57] <menteck> Dr
[05:57] <menteck> ?
[05:58] <Dr_willis> menteck,  id say do some googling.   I dont think that thing is supported by the X drivers now... but not the new nvidia drivers.
[05:58] <Dr_willis> given how old and slow it is anyway.... well..  What are you expecting to do with it. :)
[05:58] <Dr_willis> Hmm I think that !nvidia page mentioned that card.
[05:58] <Dr_willis> !nvidia
[05:58] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:59] <menteck> it is my spare system the agp slot on the mother bord is is no good
[06:00] <Dr_willis> If your graphics card is at the end of  this list of cards (marked as "legacy"), you will need to install nvidia-glx-legacy. Otherwise, install nvidia-glx.
[06:00] <Dr_willis> http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8762/README/appendix-a.html
[06:00] <menteck> it is at the bottom
[06:00] <menteck> now what
[06:01] <Dr_willis> wellhmm...  read.. :P
[06:01] <Dr_willis> Below are the legacy GPUs that are no longer supported in the unified driver. These GPUs will continue to be maintained through the special legacy NVIDIA GPU driver releases.
[06:01] <digi|tize> Dr_willis: any idea? qtparted doesn't recognize the partition type, so i cannot resize
[06:01] <menteck> so how do i get these drivers
[06:02] <Dr_willis> menteck,  install the nvidia-glx-legacy package like the directions say.
[06:02] <Dr_willis> !info nvidia-glx-legacy
[06:02] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-legacy: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'legacy' driver. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.7184+<IP_ADDRESS>-1 (edgy), package size 2998 kB, installed size 9832 kB
[06:02] <Dr_willis> digi|tize not some odd ball system? or drive setup?
[06:03] <digi|tize> it's a 120gb hd, only 1 partition setup as ntfs
[06:03] <digi|tize> my main hd is read fine
[06:03] <Dr_willis> may want to try to scandisk/defrag it.. and pray. :)
[06:04] <digi|tize> it's my boot hd with windows and 2 ntfs partitions
[06:04] <Dr_willis> Ive almost totally dumped windows.
[06:04] <digi|tize> well i did at one point, and for some strange reason went back
[06:04] <digi|tize> but given ubuntu, and all linux's for that matter, progress on the desktop i was compelled for a dual boot
[06:05] <digi|tize> especially with easy read/write on ntfs
[06:05] <digi|tize> hmmm, i guess i'll try defrag
[06:06] <digi|tize> i'm correct in saying that ubuntu/kubuntu has read/write access to ntfs, right?
[06:06] <crimsun_> no
[06:06] <crimsun_> read, yes. write, no.
[06:07] <Dr_willis> I set up my windows  to read/write to ext2/3 :)
[06:08] <gatsby> i'm trying to install ndiswrapper for a driver
[06:08] <digi|tize> hmmm, i might just have to setup an external hd for kubuntu
[06:08] <digi|tize> thanks for the help :)
[06:08] <gatsby> and working on removing an old driver that i don't need
[06:09] <gatsby> I keep getting this "
[06:09] <gatsby> ndiswrapper -e netrtxpo
[06:09] <gatsby> couldn't delete /etc/ndiswrapper/netrtxpo: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[06:11] <menteck> ok dr
[06:11] <menteck> there is no admin
[06:11] <menteck> section
[06:11] <wicketnezz> hmmm
[06:11] <wicketnezz> okay i did the install
[06:11] <wicketnezz> and rebooted
[06:13] <menteck> Dr willis
[06:13] <wicketnezz> but when i do fglrxinfo i get Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:13] <wicketnezz> im assuming that means its didnt work
[06:13] <menteck> are you still here
[06:14] <Dr_willis> admin section? huh?
[06:14] <menteck> you sent me to a site and it says to go here but here dos not exist
[06:14] <Dr_willis> what site where?
[06:14] <menteck> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia#head-d3968a4d3bed6eeef4b10fd3202bcdf313b1e75d
[06:15] <Dr_willis> The nvidia site? it basicially said install the  nvidia-glx-legacy pacakge for  the old card
[06:16] <Dr_willis> 'install and activate drivers'
[06:16] <Dr_willis> 4. You will install either nvidia-glx-legacy or nvidia-glx. If your graphics card is at the end of [WWW]  this list of cards (marked as "legacy"), you will need to install nvidia-glx-legacy. Otherwise, install nvidia-glx
[06:16] <noiesmo> does anyone know why http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/dists/edgy-plf is unavailable
[06:16] <menteck> i can get to the nvidia gxl legacy
[06:16] <menteck> it not comeing up
[06:17] <menteck> i can get the nvidia glx
[06:17] <menteck> but no the other one
[06:17] <Dr_willis> noiesmo,  a few weeks ago plf was considering dropping support for edgy.. not sure what all happened.
[06:17] <Dr_willis> !info nvidia-glx
[06:17] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1.0.8776+<IP_ADDRESS>-1 (edgy), package size 3970 kB, installed size 12312 kB
[06:17] <Dr_willis> !info nvidia-glx-legacy
[06:17] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-legacy: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'legacy' driver. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.7184+<IP_ADDRESS>-1 (edgy), package size 2998 kB, installed size 9832 kB
[06:18] <noiesmo> Dr_willis, well maybe that did happen just went to update and it's down or well gone
[06:18] <Dr_willis> " In component multiverse,  " - you need to have the Multiverse repositories enabled.
[06:18] <Dr_willis> noiesmo,  i though they found a maintainer.. but not checked on it in a few weeks
[06:18] <menteck> how do i get that enable
[06:19] <Dr_willis> menteck,  in those docs they mention how to enable restricted.. do the same thing for 'multiverse' or read up on how ubuntu handles the repos at....
[06:19] <Dr_willis> !repo
[06:19] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:20] <Dr_willis> Has easysource site updated to support edgy yet?
[06:20] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[06:20] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic.  It does not currently support Edgy sources.  When asked if it will, the reply was "maybe".
[06:21] <noiesmo> Dr_willis, ok so I've been a mushroom :)  i take it that edgy has gone stable and feisty has become develop
[06:21] <Dr_willis> noiesmo,  yep.
[06:21] <Dr_willis> Edgy is working very well for me.
[06:21] <menteck> i hate my life
[06:21] <noiesmo> Dr_willis, ok so i will just comment out me plf and go with that for now
[06:21] <wicketnezz> im starting to hate this ati card
[06:22] <noiesmo> Dr_willis, do you know if can upgrade from edgy to feisty easy
[06:22] <Dr_willis> Heh.. ive had some decent luck with my ati cards
[06:22] <menteck> Enable restricted packages
[06:22] <menteck>
[06:22] <menteck> The NVIDIA drivers are in the "restricted" section of the Ubuntu package repository, so before you will be able to install the drivers, you must enable this section on your system.
[06:22] <menteck>
[06:22] <menteck>    1.
[06:22] <menteck>
[06:22] <Dr_willis> noiesmo,  i wouldent bother at this time.
[06:22] <menteck>       Select the System menu at the top of the screen.
[06:22] <menteck>    2.
[06:22] <menteck>
[06:22] <menteck>       Select Administration then Synaptic Package Manager. Enter your password when prompted.
[06:22] <menteck>    3.
[06:22] <menteck>
[06:22] <menteck>       In the package manager, select the Settings menu, then Repositories.
[06:22] <menteck>    4.
[06:22] <noiesmo> Dr_willis, k thanks for the info :)
[06:22] <menteck>
[06:22] <Dr_willis> menteck,  they seem to be in 2 DIFFERENT repositories
[06:22] <menteck>       In the Software Preferences dialog that comes up, click the Add button.
[06:22] <menteck>    5.
[06:22] <menteck>
[06:22] <menteck>       In the Edit Repository dialog, ensure that the Restricted copyright box is checked, then press OK.
[06:22] <Dr_willis> menteck,  and now most of the channel has you on ignore for flooding.
[06:22] <menteck>    6.
[06:22] <menteck>
[06:22] <menteck>       Press OK to close the Software Preferences dialog, when Synaptic asks you to reload the package database, say yes.
[06:22] <menteck>   i cant do this
[06:23] <menteck> sorry i just have to figgur this out
[06:23] <wicketnezz> i went to do the aticonfig --initial and its saying that Found fglrx primary device section, Nothing to do, terminating.
[06:23] <Dr_willis> install synaptic, may make it easier.. or manually edit your sources.list
[06:23] <Dr_willis> Learning how the repos/package manager works - is a good thing to learn.
[06:23] <Dr_willis> !multiverse
[06:23] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:23] <menteck> i give up
[06:23] <Dr_willis> you can learn to use a gui tool.. or learn to edit 1 file with an editor..
[06:23] <Dr_willis> I tend to go the editor route
[06:23] <wicketnezz> can you help me dr_willis since youve had good luck with yours?
[06:24] <Dr_willis> wicketnezz,  all ive done is followed the !ati wiki page. :)
[06:24] <Dr_willis> at least you aint giving up.. lol. :)
[06:24] <wicketnezz> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide#Installing_the_driver <- this one?
[06:24] <wicketnezz> oh no im not giving up
[06:24] <Dr_willis> lets see...
[06:24] <Dr_willis> !ati
[06:24] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:25] <wicketnezz> xgl is far to sexy to give up on it
[06:25] <Dr_willis> i dont find XGL worth the effort.. sorry to say..
[06:25] <Dr_willis> and i hear its ATI support is rather... flakey
[06:25] <noxwayxhome> hey dr i have been in this room for about four hours and that guy has been trying to get some help and it just an't working for him
[06:25] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx  and sudo apt-get install fglrx-control   - is about all ive had to do.
[06:26] <Dr_willis> noxwayxhome,  that last url i posted had a step by step way to  enable multiverse..   from what i 'saw' he dident even look at it.. so... well... to each his own.. ive been spending the last 3 days reading MythTV docs.. so :) im a reader kind of guy.
[06:27] <Dr_willis> I do think the installers should just ask to enable all the repos. :)
[06:27] <Dr_willis> but thats a 'no no' i guess for support.
[06:28] <Dr_willis> people just have a tendency to be to focused on 'doing what i need NOW' and not learning the skills ..
[06:28] <noxwayxhome> dr well i am menteck and i have not given up i am sorry for this
[06:28] <Dr_willis> heh..
[06:28] <noxwayxhome> i will read the the page you are right
[06:29] <noxwayxhome> Dr_willis
[06:29] <Dr_willis> ya check that last url yet? it had kubuntu/adept guide for enbaling multiverse..    I will pated my sources.list to a pastebin site for ya.
[06:29] <wicketnezz> the problem that im running into dr is that the OpenGL vendor string: is saying Mesa Project: www.mesa3d.org
[06:29] <noxwayxhome> thanx for the help
[06:29] <wicketnezz> it should be saying something about radeon
[06:31] <Dr_willis> noxwayxhome,  in 'short' you check the apt.sources file and where each line says 'universe' you also put 'multiverse' at the end. (and remove the # at the start of the line)  my example apt.sources file is.............
[06:31] <Dr_willis> la da dee.. pastebin is so slow.. :)
[06:32] <intelikey> broken festival.
[06:32] <intelikey> SIOD ERROR: unbound variable : voice_don_diphone
[06:32] <intelikey> festival: fatal error exiting.
[06:32] <Dr_willis> I dont even think i got multiverse enabled here...
[06:32] <Dr_willis> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe multiverse
[06:32] <Dr_willis> is the kind of lines to look for.
[06:33] <Dr_willis> wow pastebin timed out.. *sigh*
[06:33] <alaa_> hello
[06:33] <alaa_> this is a noob question but does anybody know how to open network manager?
[06:33] <alaa_> im running kubuntu and installed it through the adept manager
[06:33] <alaa_> but it didnt make an icon so i dont know how to open it
[06:34] <Dr_willis> check the files isntalled, with the package manager?
[06:34] <intelikey> one.line.sources.list.that.covers.most.things.except.updates.patches... deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted universe multiverse
[06:34] <malik__> hey ........does any one know that skype now comes with a lie detector add on. :)?
[06:34] <Dr_willis> you refering to the wirless manager?  it has some odd named binaries..
[06:34] <alaa_> yeah
[06:34] <billykan> ...
[06:35] <alaa_> i have my wireless drivers and everyting set up and the wireless thing for 6.10 doesnt work so i have to use network manager
[06:35] <intelikey> anyone use festival ?
[06:35] <alaa_> i installed network manager but i dont know where it went
[06:35] <Dr_willis> !networkmanager
[06:35] <ubotu> networkmanager is an application to make (wireless) networking Just Work. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager
[06:35] <intelikey> this is not a poll   see the above error message  ^
[06:35] <RoKFiT> can anyone help me with some audio popping problems?
[06:35] <billykan> ...
[06:36] <malik__> alaa_: it should be in internet subgroup in kmenu
[06:36] <billykan> #ubuntu
[06:36] <malik__> specially if its wireless
[06:36] <alaa_> i looked there its not there -.-
[06:36] <intelikey> !kr | billykan
[06:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:36] <alaa_> im lost lol
[06:36] <intelikey> !ko | billykan
[06:36] <wicketnezz> alright im gonna have to hop offa here for tonight
[06:37] <billykan> ???
[06:37] <wicketnezz> need some sleep before i gotta be up for work
[06:37] <wicketnezz> but ill be back tomorrow to see  i cant get this figured out
[06:37] <wicketnezz> thanks for your help tonight dr :)
[06:37] <Dr_willis> heh ok.. :) im still reading mythtv docs in the background
[06:37] <alaa_> does any1 kno how i can find out where my computer installed network manager to?
[06:38] <Dr_willis> it aint zappong the comercials!
[06:38] <Dr_willis> alaa_,  i though it had 2 different names,, one for the gnome version/applet and one for the kde version
[06:38] <Dr_willis> and both names were weird. :)
[06:39] <Dr_willis> add nm-applet to your startup
[06:39] <Dr_willis> thats the name of one.. from that web site..
[06:39] <Dr_willis> Note: nm-applet is now part of the network-manager-gnome package which is recommended when you install the network-manager package but may not have been installed.
[06:39] <Dr_willis> !info network-manager-kde
[06:39] <ubotu> Package network-manager-kde does not exist in any distro I know
[06:39] <Dr_willis> !info network-manager-gnome
[06:40] <ubotu> network-manager-gnome: network management framework (GNOME frontend). In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.3-2ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 245 kB, installed size 1608 kB
[06:40] <alaa_> ok
[06:40] <Dr_willis> now WHY cant they use some more standarized names. Lol.
[06:40] <menteck> dr willis i have gotten to the point of i have the nvidia-glx package on the list but not the lagecy
[06:40] <Dr_willis> lets check..
[06:40] <Dr_willis> !info nvidia-glx-legacy
[06:40] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-legacy: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'legacy' driver. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.7184+<IP_ADDRESS>-1 (edgy), package size 2998 kB, installed size 9832 kB
[06:40] <menteck> no i dont get that packet in my list
[06:41] <menteck> hmmm....
[06:41] <Dr_willis> it says its in multiverse. so you need to 'enable' multiverse, THEN refresh the package lists
[06:41] <intelikey> help me here     SIOD ERROR: unbound variable : voice_don_diphone
[06:41] <intelikey> festival: fatal error exiting.
[06:41] <intelikey> what am i looking at ?
[06:42] <Dr_willis> menteck,  been googling...   http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories   seems like a decently explained site.
[06:42] <noiesmo> menteck, Dr_willis just on the nvidia if your interested theres a perl script called envy that grabs the right driver for nvidia cards from nvidia;s then installs and sets up xorg
[06:43] <noiesmo> !envy
[06:43] <ubotu> envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy
[06:43] <Dr_willis> noiesmo,  heh cool.
[06:43] <noiesmo> oops python not perl my bad
[06:43] <alaa_> still stuck =(
[06:43] <menteck> rely there is
[06:43] <alaa_> is there any specific commands u can type in to launch it?
[06:43] <Dr_willis> if it supports the older legacy stuff. :P
[06:43] <noiesmo> i used it was piece of cake to set up
[06:43] <Dr_willis> I just got a little script i wrote that installs what i need. :P
[06:43] <intelikey> ok installing   festvox-don    maybe that will help ???
[06:43] <alaa_> i have network manager installed and everything i just dont know where it is or how i can access it
[06:43] <noiesmo> check albertomilone site all info its a deb pack you install
[06:46] <noiesmo> menteck, if you use envy Run envy from a console, if you do not it will force you too one anyway. I found that envy hangs on Kubuntu splash screen. To solve that problem press Ctrl+Alt+F1
[06:46] <menteck> i got it i got it yes thanx you so much Dr
[06:52] <Dr_willis> menteck,  :) now you can do... whatever the heck it was you were trying to do.. i forget....
[06:52] <Dr_willis> Now what was I trying to do....
[06:53] <alaa_> ffs
[06:53] <RoKFiT> can anyone help me?
[06:53] <RoKFiT> my audio is popping horribly
[06:53] <Dr_willis> alaa_,  i mentioned one of the commands earlier.. the gnome one however.. I forget the name of the kde one.
[06:54] <Dr_willis> if you install  network-manager-gnome    the command will be nm-applet
[06:56] <RoKFiT> does anyone know how to fix sound?
[06:56] <RoKFiT> crackling
[06:56] <leexgx> quick queston whats the command to getgnome interface installed
[06:56] <kory> RoKFiT: are any of your volumes cranked to the top?
[06:56] <RoKFiT> no
[06:57] <RoKFiT> about 75%
[06:57] <T3hWiz0rd> whoa its quiet in here
[06:57] <RoKFiT> why does it keep crackling
[06:57] <utta> leexgx: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop
[06:57] <kory> constantly crackling or did it start with a program?
[06:58] <RoKFiT> constantly
[06:59] <kory> check for loose cables?
[06:59] <RoKFiT> no, because some songs do it less than others, and in windows it never did this
[06:59] <RoKFiT> and redownloading the files as new produces the same errors