[08:48] <MMond> JDahl: hihi, -I don't want to be cumbersome, but perhaps, could you only spare seconds on me?
[08:48] <DarthFrog> codyman: Underneath the line that says "wireless_essid (your ssid), put "wireless_key (your key)".
[08:48] <kent> Brainache, you dont need to paste all that here, and you need to install the development-packages for gtk+.  Search for itt in synaptic
[08:48] <tck> tsume, cool that worked :)
[08:48] <Absenth> bung__ and if Matrox could create a card that wasnt a generation or two behind ATI/Nvidia when it came to gaming performance I'd have their stuff in all my machines :)
[08:48] <tsume> does anybody know where the keyboard map layout change tool is in windows?
[08:48] <tck> chose the esound output plugin :)
[08:48] <Brainache> ok, cheers
[08:48] <Brainache> will do
[08:48] <JDahl> MMond, just ask your questions, and if I know something about it, I will chime in
[08:49] <bung__> Absenth: do they do OSS drivers?
[08:49] <scandium> Wait for Techsource's open graphics card later this year...it has quite advanced features and specs will be open...it's not interesting for people who want to play doom3, though
[08:49] <Absenth> bung__, I admit to having no idea, as their stuff is so behind performance wise it's not worth the time to look into.
[08:49] <tsume> scandium: people need 3d cards not only for gaming
[08:49] <scandium> s/it has/it is supposed to have them when it is released/ ;)
[08:49] <tsume> scandium: games are for stupid people
[08:49] <Absenth> bung__, however on windows, the 2d graphics quality are WAY better.
[08:50] <tsume> they waste thier life on the game
[08:50] <codyman> thanks Darth
[08:50] <DarthFrog> tsume: I have a Ph.D. and enjoy the occasional game. :-)
[08:50] <tsume> DarthFrog: games suck fyi
[08:50] <MMond> JDahl: I have at least a bit more ground understanding of this now -- http://localhost/~user/test2.html works now, perfectly. But when I go upon a php file, it gives me a dialog of "Save the file," so php at this, is not working. If it is of any consolation, though: when I do type "php" in basic term.. it "works," (although this shouldn't mean anything.. especially with my little knowledge of CLI)
[08:50] <tsume> graphics programming is nice when it contributes to science
[08:50] <bung__> I'm dumb and I hate gaming!
[08:50] <scandium> tsume, that's why I said "quite advanced" since it looks like it'll do a lot of opengl etc., but not for gamers
[08:50] <tsume> bung__: its not mny fault you were born with less nueral nodes :)
[08:50] <Absenth> gaming sure beets the hell out of venting frustrations on the freeway with a 9mm
[08:51] <thoreauputic> tsume: are you a Puritan or something ? (joking)
[08:51] <Absenth> -beets +beats
[08:51] <bung__> tsume: neural :P
[08:51] <codyman> DarthFrog: this is weird in that "interfaces" file there is no mention of anything wireless just ethernet.. but my wireless connection is currently working no problem... ?!?
[08:51] <tsume> thoreauputic: I think you mean.. Omish..
[08:51] <DarthFrog> codyman: Don't complain!  It works. :-)
[08:51] <JDahl> MMond, try this test-script: http://www.htmlite.com/php003.php
[08:52] <tsume> Absenth: not really
[08:52] <thoreauputic> tsume: no, I meant Puritan - but never mind - comparative theology is probably not your subject ;)
[08:52] <JDahl> MMond, i.e., copy and paste it into a file at your own machine
[08:52] <tsume> Absenth: it just means you can't control your testosterone
[08:52] <DarthFrog> codyman:  use the network tool to configure your interface.  It'll write that file for you.
[08:52] <tsume> thoreauputic: its not my strong area :)
[08:52] <codyman> DarthFrog: seirously i'm glad it works i don't mine typing in the simple iwconfig wlan0 key xxxxxxxxx open then dhclient wlan0 everytime it boots.. i mean i got it working i get points for that don't I :-)
[08:52] <Absenth> tsume, that's probibly true.
[08:52] <tsume> thoreauputic: science leaves no room for poppycock
[08:53] <DarthFrog> codyman: Points and an attaboy. :-)
[08:53] <Absenth> tsume, does Science have a solution for the users I work with?
[08:53] <codyman> DarthFrog: My wireless router is downstairs and across the house yet I still for some reason have 99% connection and it downloads from apt-get at around 500kb/s
[08:53] <thoreauputic> tsume: ah, well - Einstei liked to play the violin and ride bicycles :)
[08:53] <MMond> JDahl: Did it . . . and I get the "save" dialog. I tried that when I had apache 1.3 . . . and that time it worked, so did every file with php
[08:53] <phxguy> can someone help me with the chown command
[08:53] <Absenth> tsume, I should warn you, I do have a government job.
[08:53] <MidnightDevil> heya again
[08:53] <thoreauputic> *Einstein
[08:53] <tsume> Absenth: does electric chair sound good enough?
[08:53] <sal002> Anyone ever use the livecd to boot into their ubuntu system (using the kernel on the bootcd)?
[08:54] <MidnightDevil> what's horay address for apt-get?
[08:54] <Absenth> tsume, sign me up for 2
[08:54] <MMond> JDahl: And now with apache2.. it doesn't work ;\
[08:54] <DarthFrog> Absenth: Application of technology to social problems is a major mistake!  Herding cats is more likely to work.
[08:54] <bung__> someone give me a jb
[08:54] <bung__> er
[08:54] <bung__> job
[08:54] <phxguy> how can i Chown on a folder and all files and folders in it at one time??
[08:54] <bung__> chown -R
[08:54] <JDahl> MMond, did you install libapache2-mod-php4 ?
[08:54] <Absenth> DarthFrog, Again I think it depends on which technology you'
[08:54] <thoreauputic> phxguy:  chown -R
[08:54] <tsume> I need a job in Alaska
[08:54] <tsume> :/
[08:54] <Absenth> DarthFrog, Again I think it depends on which technology you're talking about applying.
[08:54] <MMond> JDahl: Yes
[08:54] <phxguy> thanks
[08:54] <MidnightDevil> someone ?
[08:54] <tsume> I've every motion set except the job
[08:54] <Absenth> DarthFrog, I think a baseball bat represents some amount of technology, and does solve quite a few social problems when used correctly.
[08:55] <tsume> and the ferry :)
[08:55] <ossiii> can anyone plz tell me how to set numlock on at booting?
[08:55] <MidnightDevil> what's horay address for apt-get?
[08:55] <DarthFrog> Absenth: Well, yes.  If you want the "users" to survive, it kinda limits your options, though. :-)
[08:55] <MMond> JDahl: Simpy plain off, what concise files would I need go get at least apache2 and php working? asking out of curiosity..
[08:55] <larsrohdin> is kernel 2.6.10-4 the latest version?
[08:55] <tsume> larsrohdin: no
[08:55] <alec> MidnightDevil, replace 'warty' with 'hoary' in your apt sources
[08:55] <JDahl> MMond, apache2 and libapache2-mod-php4
[08:55] <larsrohdin> tsume, which is then?
[08:55] <thoreauputic> ossiii: numlockx I think
[08:55] <Absenth> larsrohdin, I'm running 2.6.10-5-k7
[08:55] <tsume> larsrohdin: I think 2.6.10-5
[08:55] <JDahl> MMond, and normally you shouldnt have to change configuration
[08:55] <MMond> JDahl: Woah.. uhm, I do have them..
[08:56] <MMond> And I didn't . . . everything is at default . . . at least I think so
[08:56] <MMond> Or unless the installations of other modules had them tweaked
[08:56] <phxguy> ok now I just installed my Nvidia driver according to the isntruction on ubuntu and when I restarted and logged into ubuntu i got an error that said "HAL failed to initialize" can someone help me with that?
[08:56] <larsrohdin> tsume, how can i upgrade it, with apt-get?
[08:56] <MidnightDevil> ok
[08:56] <tsume> larsrohdin: you need to make sure your sources are correct
[08:56] <ossiii> well, will try it out, tnx thoreauputic
[08:56] <MMond> At several instances, upon removal, I received messages like "This folder isn't empty, and thus will not be removed"
[08:56] <tsume> larsrohdin: I bet you have it set to cdrom only
[08:57] <rwabel_> anyone has an idea why under X (gnome, kde etc) special characters like umlaute doesn't work but working fine when switching back with ctrl-alt-f1?
[08:57] <thoreauputic> ossiii: that's the package name - apt-cache show numlockx will tell you more
[08:57] <larsrohdin> tsume, no but, i've just upgraded to hoary, so maybe i don't have the correct sources... do you know where i can find the correct?
[08:57] <ossiii> tnx again :)
[08:58] <sal002> Okay - does apt-get save the retreived deb files anywhere?
[08:58] <JDahl> MMond, try copying the php test script to /var/www and run it from there... maybe php is disabled from user directories - although I doubt it. I dont have apache2/php4 install atm, so I cant help you with the configuration files
[08:58] <andril> hello all
[08:58] <rwabel_> sal002: yes it does
[08:58] <apokryphos> sal002: yes, /var/cache/apt I think
[08:58] <scandium> sal002, /var/cache/apt/archives/
[08:58] <DarthFrog> sal002: Yes.  /var/cache/apt/archives.
[08:58] <sal002> Thanks!
[08:58] <Absenth> 2.6.10 isn't an option in Warty?
[08:58] <rwabel_> sal002: under  /var/cache/apt/archives/
[08:59] <thoreauputic> Absenth: no
[08:59] <Absenth> thoreauputic, I guess it's time for a dist-upgrade then :)
[08:59] <MMond> JDahl: I'll try it
[08:59] <phxguy> ok now I just installed my Nvidia driver according to the isntruction on ubuntu and when I restarted and logged into ubuntu i got an error that said "HAL failed to initialize" can someone help me with that?
[08:59] <thoreauputic> Absenth: warty is stable - hence no kernel changes except security patches
[08:59] <^thehatsrule^> uh oh
[09:00] <geneo93> how do i get another terminal in failsafe
[09:00] <andril> I need to find out how to chane my resolution after upgrading to Hoary
[09:00] <larsrohdin> tsume, or maybe you could show me your sources...
[09:00] <tsume> its like riding a bicycle because you know its more reliable than a motorcycle
[09:01] <thoreauputic> tsume: so I assume you run Hoary?
[09:01] <tsume> thoreauputic: affirmative
[09:01] <^thehatsrule^> geneo... xterm &? its a guess
[09:01] <tsume> larsrohdin: theres a sources.list file in /etc/apt/
[09:01] <elshadii> does anyone have an opinion about how to replace the mail notification gnome pannel applet?
[09:01] <tsume> larsrohdin: uncomment the ones which are soundful, but don't uncomment the ones which say "for major system updates"
[09:01] <larsrohdin> tsume, yeah i know...thats the sources we're talking about...
[09:01] <larsrohdin> ok
[09:02] <tsume> thoreauputic: better updated software gets the job done faster than old software
[09:02] <tsume> what is going to really suck about alaska is they do the same stupid thing aussies do
[09:02] <actionjackson> andril: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:02] <larsrohdin> tsume, soundful?
[09:02] <AlohaWolf> i
[09:02] <tsume> they charge 49USD a month for 20 gigs a month
[09:02] <thoreauputic> tsume: yes, well - assuming it doesn't crash and burn.... ;-)
[09:02] <tsume> larsrohdin: which sound right
[09:02] <geneo93> no luck
[09:02] <tsume> thoreauputic: it doesnt
[09:03] <thoreauputic> tsume: that's nice
[09:03] <larsrohdin> ok, but i don't know which sounds good...
[09:03] <Absenth> thoreauputic, I've been on Hoary since last weekend, so far, no problems.
[09:03] <tsume> my cpu keeps throttling lower when I've vmware open :)
[09:03] <tsume> this laptop rocks :)
[09:03] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[09:03] <tsume> GeforceFX 5200 64MB
[09:04] <tsume> the vid card is decent.
[09:04] <thoreauputic> Absenth: sure - if I wasn't on dial up I'd download it too :)
[09:04] <Absenth> thoreauputic, heh.
[09:04] <tsume> australia sucks.
[09:04] <tsume> alaska sucks for the BW too
[09:04] <phxguy> can someone tell me what I should have in my fstab to auomount my Windows NTFS drive on hda1??
[09:04] <djp> anyone able to help out with a cron message?
[09:04] <Absenth> tsume, I've thought about putting ubuntu on my laptop.    Hard to justify wiping it out for ubuntu
[09:04] <apokryphos> phxguy: ubuntuguide.org
[09:04] <^thehatsrule^> phxguy, you know thats prolly read-only?
[09:04] <thoreauputic> Absenth: I'm very happy with warty - only needed to reboot for new kernels so far
[09:05] <tsume> but I'm adventurous :) if I can stand dial-up like I always had, then I can live there
[09:05] <phxguy> yup i am aware that ntfs is read only
[09:05] <tsume> Absenth: linux has always worked on my laptops
[09:05] <tsume> I need to email toshiba for the sources to the software modem
[09:05] <phxguy> I followed the ubuntu guide and it doesn't seem to work right....
[09:05] <larsrohdin> ok
[09:05] <tsume> toshiba will actually opensource thier software if you ask
[09:05] <Absenth> tsume, mine is running OSX.  Linux might be a bit more difficult in terms of apps.
[09:05] <DarthFrog> tsume: You could always investigate getting a satellite connection.
[09:05] <tsume> Absenth: keep OSX, its BSD based, its more secure
[09:06] <tsume> DarthFrog: I thought about that
[09:06] <thoreauputic> tsume: Australia sucks but, say, Alaska doesn't ? heheh
[09:06] <tsume> DarthFrog: would be faster too
[09:06] <tsume> thoreauputic: not as much
[09:06] <Absenth> tsume, hense the "unix that doesn't suck"
[09:06] <DarthFrog> tsume: Exactly.
[09:06] <actionjackson> Absenth: YDL
[09:06] <phxguy> apokryphos, I have the option set in nautulis to show mounted drives on my desktop but it doesn't show up there
[09:06] <tsume> thoreauputic: I like all weather, I just currently feel like being in alaska
[09:06] <Absenth> actionjackson, ???
[09:06] <actionjackson> Absenth: sorry I meant have you tried YDL
[09:06] <DarthFrog> tsume: You're in Australia?
[09:06] <apokryphos> phxguy: don't know gnome, sorry. :(
[09:06] <tsume> ubuntu pasuaf!
[09:06] <goxy> i have problemz with intel 536ep modem on ubuntu 5.04 anybody help me
[09:06] <MMond> JDahl: Placed it under /var/www . . . still not working (getting the same "open > save as" dialog)
[09:06] <tsume> DarthFrog: no.
[09:07] <ermo> Could someone help me debug dri?
[09:07] <Glin|Jol> how would i go about making gtk look less boxy
[09:07] <tsume> DarthFrog: I'm in redneckville because I thought country would be nice to live in for a few years
[09:07] <Glin|Jol> gtk themes?
[09:07] <tsume> DarthFrog: Southern states in the US are very poor and theres not many jobs here
[09:07] <DarthFrog> tsume: Where is redneckville?
[09:07] <tsume> DarthFrog: Knoxville, TN
[09:07] <Absenth> actionjackson, no I have not.  I've thought about it a few times, but each time I get back to....  I can do everything in OSX YDL would let me do, and I don't have to change anything.
[09:08] <actionjackson> true
[09:08] <andril> actionjackson: do I restar after doing this?
[09:08] <JDahl> MMond, so provided that you really have libapache2-mod-php4 installed (and not just libapache-mod-php4), there's nothing left for you to do but to dig into /etc/apache2 and greb for php... it's easier than it sounds
[09:08] <tsume> windowsxp (this copy) is french *sigh*
[09:08] <codyman> anyone know why gl screensavers aren't working?
[09:08] <actionjackson> I have it setup as a dual-boot on my PowerBook
[09:08] <tsume> how can I change the keyboard layout in XP? :)
[09:08] <actionjackson> andril: yes
[09:08] <tsume> do I need to download something from MS?
[09:08] <MMond> JDahl: I did this in term: root@tosh:/var/www # php -f info.php  <-- and it worked, well . . . in term at least
[09:08] <andril> thanks I'll be back
[09:08] <Absenth> tsume, start, settings, control panel, keyboards/mice I believe.
[09:08] <actionjackson> aight
[09:08] <goxy> i compile module insert it into kernel make links  but intel 536ep dont works
[09:09] <goxy> help me
[09:09] <kent> Does some one know of a client to play poker over the internet with money? A friend asked me to get www.multipoker.com to work in Linux but their client wont work with wine, so if some one knows of another way to play poker with money in linux I think he would be happy :)
[09:09] <tsume> Absenth: I thought I checked there, I'll check again
[09:09] <Xappe> tsume, try alt+shift
[09:09] <goxy> i compile module insert it into kernel make links  but intel 536ep dont works help me
[09:09] <Absenth> tsume, I know for sure there's a utility in there somewhere, but no promises as to where it is.....  I'll take a look at the wifes pc,  it's the only windows pc left in the house.
[09:09] <MMond> JDahl: wait, so I have to have libapache-mod-php4 too, so not just libapache2-mod-php4, but both? o.0
[09:09] <tsume> Xappe: *sigh*
[09:09] <mattgirv> Can anyone recommend me a good Terminal that can sort of... hmm, fade onto the desktop, so it looks like part of the desktop rather than being window-like :P
[09:09] <tsume> Xappe: then I need to take vmware off alt shift :)
[09:09] <Xappe> tsume, ahaha
[09:10] <JDahl> MMond, that's not what I said... I am just saying that maybe you have the wrong package installed
[09:10] <thor|away> mattgirv: eterm or aterm
[09:10] <Xappe> tsume, I think that's the default combination if you have more than one configuration
[09:10] <goxy> i compile module insert it into kernel make links  but intel 536ep dont works help me
[09:10] <thor|away> mattgirv: in fluxbox, you can toggle window decorations off by editing ~/.fluxbox/keys
[09:10] <Xappe> tsume, installed
[09:10] <MMond> JDahl: I have libapache2-mod-php4 and apache2 . . . I cannot imagine what else could possibly be wrong . . . :s
[09:10] <tsume> Xappe: hmm
[09:11] <mattgirv> thor|away: I am running Openbox at the mo' maybe its a similar command or something
[09:11] <tsume> Xappe: booting XP back up.. minute
[09:11] <thor|away> mattgirv: also for logs there's roottail
[09:11] <MMond> I had little knowledge to begin with ;\
[09:11] <mattgirv> I will have to check :)
[09:11] <JDahl> MMond, so dig into the configuration files
[09:11] <tsume> I haven't used windows in a long time, but I bought turbotax and it wouldn't run on wine
[09:11] <tsume> I like doing my own taxes with computer programs :)
[09:12] <Xappe> tsume, haven't used win for five months or so...so I'm not  really sure
[09:12] <phxguy> tsume:  are you familiar with Wine???
[09:12] <Absenth> tsume, have you tried turbotax through Crossover Office?
[09:12] <MMond> JDahl: Before I do -- php4 worked with apache1.3, I'm simpy saying, to assure that this might possibly be of any good, I mean, if apache1.3 worked with php . . . and now this isn't . . . something else might be caused it . . . I download a _lot_ of things when I started with this.. lots of other modules
[09:12] <tsume> phxguy: it wont run with crossoveroffice either
[09:12] <MMond> +ed*
[09:12] <tsume> Absenth: have that, tried that :)
[09:12] <alican> where can I find package kernel-source-2.6.10-5
[09:13] <tsume> Absenth: it was acting glitchy
[09:13] <Absenth> tsume, it was worth a shot.
[09:13] <alican> apt-get says : Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.10-5
[09:13] <MMond> anyways . . . I'll get dirty with it . . . haven't ever messed with the configuration files before . . . but here I go
[09:13] <phxguy> tsume: Was wonder if you have used wine to run Quicken.....
[09:13] <JDahl> MMond, I use apache2 with php4 for a small server at work.. it was easy to setup
[09:13] <Absenth> tsume, I don't suppose you know how to rebuild your Crossover office menus in gnome on hoary?
[09:13] <tsume> phxguy: crossoveroffice runs quicken
[09:13] <Xappe> alican, the name is linux-source in ubuntu
[09:13] <Absenth> tsume, Mine vanished post dist-upgrade
[09:13] <phxguy> is crossover hard to configure???
[09:13] <tsume> Absenth: no idea, I usually type out paths
[09:14] <tsume> Absenth: the menu should be automatic
[09:14] <MMond> JDahl: So was apache1.3 and php.. simply checked off a few things and I had it working from scratch within 2 minutes . . .
[09:14] <tsume> Absenth: you rebuild from the cxsetup
[09:14] <MMond> JDahl: Should I just mess with php.ini, and that'd be it? Or . . . something else too?
[09:14] <thorN> Is there any chance that my crappy "Visioneer 4800" scanner will work in Ubuntu? (Cos it's not working at the moment)
[09:14] <Absenth> ./cxsetup:error: could not find CrossOver in '/home/lnoldan/cxoffice/bin'
[09:15] <tsume> I installed mine in /opt
[09:15] <JDahl> MMond, look in /etc/apache2/*, I dont think you have to configure php.ini
[09:15] <phxguy> thorN, I think we're outta ucj on that.... I have a visioneer 9220 and it doesn't work either under ubuntu =(
[09:15] <alican> Xappe, ok I am updating it.. is there anything else after new kernel 2.6.11 is installed
[09:16] <Absenth> tsume, I'll uninstall, and reinstall to /opt which is a better loction anyway :)
[09:16] <MMond> apache2.conf  httpd.conf  mods-available  ports.conf  sites-available  ssl  conf.d        magic       mods-enabled    README      sites-enabled  <-- here is what is there.. where should I begin? I have absolutely no knowledge of this.. :s
[09:16] <edulix> bah it didn't work :|
[09:16] <edulix> well it's dinner time
[09:17] <jnc> MMond: it's a relatively new layout for apache configuration
[09:17] <jnc> i myself have not yet mastered it
[09:17] <Xappe> alican, i'm using 2.6.10-5, so I don't know if there's a difference in installation procedure
[09:18] <jnc> thorN: which interface does it use physically?
[09:18] <thorN> it's a USB thing
[09:19] <thorN> I haven't had any expeirence with Hotplug and things
[09:19] <MMond> jnc: Yeah.. but I have absolutely no knowledge at all whatsoever of this.. I'm  new to linux/ubuntu/apache/php . . . :s
[09:19] <sal002> okay - mkinitrd gives me a /dev/fd does not exeist - nayone get this?
[09:19] <DarthFrog> sal002: that's your floppy drive.
[09:19] <jnc> MMond: well, welcome to Ubuntu, at least
[09:19] <jnc> :)
[09:20] <jnc> i have been using Debian GNU/Linux distro for my webservers
[09:20] <sal002> DarthFrog: Right.
[09:20] <MMond> Thanks, I suppose
[09:20] <jnc> it is similar i think
[09:20] <sal002> But how do I get mkinitrd to generate the right initrd without caring about my floppy drive?
[09:20] <thoreauputic> jnc: practically identical in fact ;)
[09:20] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  how do i get another terminal that wont cover this
[09:21] <MMond> I have been using Windows for 4 years . . . first time using Linux . . . put it on a 266 mhz laptop.. with GNOME, kinda slow.. but I'm dealing with it
[09:21] <_linux_newb2> mmond: dont use gnome
[09:21] <DarthFrog> geneo93: Be more specific, please.
[09:21] <geneo93> say lower left corner
[09:21] <DarthFrog> sal002: man mkinitrd
[09:21] <thoreauputic> MMond: it would run better with a light window manager
[09:21] <_linux_newb2> use fluxbox or something a little lighter
[09:21] <djp> anyone able to help with an mbox message generated when attempting to run a script using cron to perform a diff backup using dar?
[09:21] <bung__> eww initrd
[09:21] <jnc> MMond: the windowing system X11 is a memory hog
[09:21] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  i'm in failsafe xterm
[09:21] <ermo> any x.org dri/drm buffs around? I'm getting strange errors on my ati r200 setup (which is supposedly supported)
[09:22] <jnc> without the pretty GUI stuff, a 233mhz box is *perfect* for webserving
[09:22] <larsrohdin> every 20 times i start ubuntu, it checks my filesystems... how can i make it not check the filesystems?
[09:22] <thoreauputic> jnc: it isn't X11 that's the problem - it's what runs on it :)
[09:22] <jnc> oh?
[09:22] <_linux_newb2> dont use ext3
[09:22] <thorN> jnc: my 500MHz webbox is excessive then ;)
[09:22] <Anubis> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.10-3-k7 CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1800+ 1533.771 MHz Bogomips: 3039.23 Mem: 291/504M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 45.84G Free: 10.60G Procs: 98 Uptime: 9 hrs 48 mins 49 secs Load: 0.11 0.10 0.09  Screen: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]  (rev a3) Screen Resolution: 1024x768 (32 bpp) eth0: In: 90.39M Out: 3.70M
[09:22] <jnc> thorN: yes ;)
[09:22] <jnc> yes it is
[09:22] <thoreauputic> jnc: X11 itself is quite efficient
[09:22] <MMond> I used xfce for a while . . . is it lighter than fluxbox?
[09:23] <thoreauputic> MMond: no
[09:23] <GNAM> it seems a good idea a "/home" on vfat partition, to condivide firefox/thunderbird settings windows/linux
[09:23] <MMond> And keep in mind, that I am a nub, and I have heard that the installation of fluxbox is rather intricate
[09:23] <bung__> computers suck
[09:23] <djp> jnc: got a 200mhz, 64mb machine here, running linux and using icewm for the gui. works very quick
[09:23] <thorN> horrible shameful fact, jnc: my webserver is running gnome :O
[09:23] <bung__> horses are where it's at
[09:23] <Chipzz> _linux_newb2: tsssk
[09:23] <Chipzz> larsrohdin: man tune2fs
[09:23] <jnc> djp: ah!   icewm, this is easily done with ubuntu?
[09:23] <Absenth> bung__, I agree completely
[09:23] <_linux_newb2> chipzz: what?
[09:23] <thoreauputic> MMond: not really - you would only need to edit one file to start it
[09:23] <GNAM> software sucks, not computer
[09:23] <erik> how can i install kde on ubuntu?
[09:23] <bung__> you've never seen my computer then.
[09:24] <jnc> erik: #kubuntu  i thinK?
[09:24] <Chipzz> larsrohdin: there is an option to set how much times a filesystem can be mounted without getting checked
[09:24] <jnc> Chipzz: yes, use 'tune2fs'
[09:24] <Chipzz> _linux_newb2: teh "don't use ext3" remark
[09:24] <djp> jnc: sure. however the machine is currently running vector linux due to internet not being available to it yet. as soon as it is though, switching over to ubunutu and using icewm with it
[09:24] <Chipzz> jnc: wrong person
[09:24] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell erik ubukde
[09:24] <Pyre> erik: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[09:24] <geneo93> there is no #kubuntu
[09:24] <jnc> whoops
[09:24] <jnc> oh
[09:24] <MMond> thoreauputic:  Hmm.. how light exactly is thoreauputic? I usually stay away from anything that is not mainstream . . . and from what I've seen/heard, I'll have to do a lot more worrying and taking care of it
[09:24] <apokryphos> geneo93: there is
[09:24] <jnc> i thought someone said @kubuntu
[09:24] <jnc> err.  you know
[09:24] <MMond> fluxbox*
[09:25] <MMond> sorry.. :|
[09:25] <erik> thanks
[09:25] <MMond> Is KDE lighter than GNOME? o.0
[09:25] <Echylo> how to open LaTeX files? .tex.tgz files
[09:25] <_linux_newb2> mmond: no
[09:25] <thoreauputic> MMond: well, have a look at http://fluxbox.org and read about it :)
[09:25] <bung__> Echylo: sounds like you need to tar zxvf that file
[09:25] <jnc> MMond: KDE would be nicer with a better optimizing compiler i think
[09:25] <bung__> then run latex foo.tex
[09:26] <bung__> then xdvi foo.dvi
[09:26] <thoreauputic> MMond: KDE and Gnome are similar in resource use
[09:26] <mattgirv>           about it :)
[09:26] <mattgirv> 20:25 <    bung__> Echylo: sounds like you need to tar zxvf that file
[09:26] <mattgirv> 20:25 <       jnc> MMond: KDE would be nicer with a better optimizing compiler
[09:26] <mattgirv>           i think
[09:26] <mattgirv> oops :( sorry
[09:26] <Echylo> hmm
[09:26] <mijndert> Hi, I have just installed Ubuntu Hoary on my pc and I have problems with the sound. My chip is SiS (on a cheap ASrock mobo), All seems OK but no sound is coming out of my speakers. What can be wrong?
[09:26] <Echylo> tgz aint a tar file I think
[09:26] <airox> :)
[09:26] <bung__> Echylo: suck it and see
[09:26] <Echylo> well let's see
[09:26] <mattgirv> lol, messing around with irssi :P
[09:26] <elmaya> turn up the volume
[09:26] <jnc> Echylo: it may be a compressed tar file
[09:26] <_linux_newb2> mijndert:  try alsaconf
[09:26] <mijndert> elmaya, all up
[09:26] <mijndert> Ok, I'll try
[09:26] <Echylo> hmm
[09:27] <Echylo> sucking it doesn't help
[09:27] <Echylo> lets try tar
[09:27] <jnc> Echylo: the 'tar' command can be asked to handle some types of compression
[09:27] <DemonTears> what is the best cdburner for ubuntu ?
[09:27] <thoreauputic> _linux_newb2: no alsaconf in ubuntu
[09:27] <jnc> Echylo: with tar, you must tell it which type of compression to use,  'j' for bzip2,  'z' for gzip
[09:27] <mijndert> alsaconf is not found
[09:27] <mijndert> ah oke
[09:27] <mattgirv> ahhh perfect :D
[09:27] <_linux_newb2> sry
[09:27] <Echylo> yes yes already unzipped
[09:27] <jnc> DemonTears: good question
[09:27] <mijndert> strange :S
[09:27] <sal002> ah ha!  that is where my apt-get update broke my system...
[09:28] <sal002> mkinitrd failed with no /dev/fd
[09:28] <Absenth> is there a way to force umount?
[09:28] <Echylo> and how to open .tex files? :p
[09:28] <Chipzz> sal002: apt-get update will never ever break your system
[09:28] <mrquick> hey guys, I'm having trouble using mplayer out to esd.... esd is working, but mplayer reports Could not open/initialize audio device... I specify -ao esd
[09:28] <sal002> It did!
[09:28] <jnc> DemonTears: there is some built-in things for making CDs with GNOME 2.10, in the upcoming Hoary Hedgehog
[09:28] <_linux_newb2> sal002: just dont overwrite files already on your system
[09:28] <jnc> i did not see a way to burn ISO9660 files though
[09:28] <djp> DemonTears: GnomeBaker for me
[09:28] <mijndert> Music Player does not give any error (have sound on AUTO). But no sound at all
[09:28] <sal002> it install latest -5 kernel..mkinitrd failed
[09:29] <MMond> One thing that makes me scratch my head is the sometimes low opacity for their windows . . . I have been using Windows for a long time, and I would imagine that it would dramtically eat up the memory like pac-man on coke
[09:29] <airox> I love ubuntu!
[09:29] <airox> Just to mention it.
[09:29] <erik> thianks pyre
[09:29] <GNAM> ubuntu RULEZ!
[09:29] <sal002> initrd for the -5 image wasn't created correctly
[09:29] <erik> thanks*
[09:29] <mijndert> GNAM, It does when my sound works ;)
[09:29] <bung__> jnc: I've not been paying attention to whatever you're on about, but you know you can mount those files directly?
[09:29] <Chipzz> jnc: just right-click on the iso and select burn
[09:29] <Absenth> so is there a way to force umount?
[09:30] <jnc> Chipzz: !   i didn't even think to try this
[09:30] <thoreauputic> MMond: yes, transparency eats resources - but you can turn it off
[09:30] <Chipzz> jnc: me neither in the beginning ;)
[09:30] <sal002> And now mkinitrd fails...says no /dev/fd
[09:30] <mijndert> Does anybody have a solution to my sound problem?
[09:30] <sal002> man mkinitrd is of no use
[09:30] <Chipzz> jnc: I blushed too when I found out :)
[09:30] <totty> nick totty
[09:30] <mrquick> can anyone help me with an mplayer sound problem?
[09:30] <Absenth> mijndert, try "killall esd" and see if mplayer works that way
[09:30] <Beuno> hey, I just installed kubuntu over ubuntu, and now Im stuck on 640x480, any ideas?
[09:30] <jnc> and guess what i was trying to burn?  of course, the ubuntu iso!
[09:30] <DemonTears> djp, jnc thx
[09:31] <_linux_newb2> mijndert: mkinitrd was not meant for you i dont believe
[09:31] <mrquick> I don't want to kill esd though! I never had this problem in debian!
[09:31] <totty> hoooo year geniol  the westion ubuntu
[09:31] <GNAM> ubunto xfree version with kubuntu xorg version?
[09:31] <sal002> _linux_newb2: I didn't.
[09:31] <djp> anyoneable to help me out with my dar problem?
[09:31] <Beuno> yeap
[09:31] <apokryphos> GNAM: xorg
[09:32] <genghis> wow.  hoary update today and everything's very cramped indeed from a GNOME line-spacing point of view.  any ideas?
[09:32] <mrquick> sound card definitely works
[09:32] <thoreauputic> djp: what's dar ? I haven't come across it...
[09:32] <DemonTears> can install rpm file  in ubuntu ?
[09:32] <mrquick> because all of gnome sounds come through
[09:33] <mrquick> when I pkill esd sounds plays through mplayer
[09:33] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: you can, sometimes using "alien" - but why?
[09:33] <jnc> genghis: maybe, submit a bug?    i have amd64 and the hoary preview, it is working nicely.  i have not noticed any line spacing issues yet
[09:33] <ttindi> hello
[09:33] <mijndert> how can I see my sound card works properly?
[09:33] <mrquick> but when esd is running and I try to mplayer -ao esd I get no sound
[09:33] <djp> thoreauputic: backup program
[09:33] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, i wanna install the nero
[09:33] <Xappe> mrquick, if you compile mplayer yourself and have the esd or poly dev packages installed you can use it with esd or polyp output
[09:33] <MMond> Alright. I'll use Fluxbox . . . wish me luck. (really)
[09:34] <mijndert> Media Player plays a MP3 file, but still no sound
[09:34] <zenwhen> nero for linux is currently ass
[09:34] <jnc> mijndert: you could browse to your filesystem, /usr/share/sounds/
[09:34] <mrquick> when I configure Mplayer, it says it configured for esd
[09:34] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: ah, I see - well I can't advise you on that. I use gnomebaker
[09:34] <reb68> I have installed ubuntu and am very new to this. My sound card ,Web Cam, and Scanner do not work. If Hoary is coming out I guess I might as well wait to solve this until I upgrade to Hoary.
[09:34] <jnc> there are sounds to play there
[09:34] <mrquick> Xappe, when I configure Mplayer, it says it configured for esd
[09:34] <jnc> reb68: maybe
[09:34] <zenwhen> graveman is better in every way than the current nero
[09:34] <mijndert> jnc, I'll try :)
[09:34] <jnc> reb68: what brand and make are your devices?
[09:34] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, where cen i get that gnomebacker
[09:34] <jnc> (i may know if they work with any linux distro)
[09:34] <GNAM> i need UBUNTU FINAL!
[09:34] <Xappe> mrquick, well, have you tried to change the output to esd then?
[09:35] <zenwhen> lol
[09:35] <mijndert> jnc, No sound at /usr/share/sounds/ :S
[09:35] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: I'll get a link - hang on
[09:35] <djp> thoreauputic: http://dar.linux.free.fr/
[09:35] <genghis> jnc:  in fact all font rendering is weird
[09:35] <mrquick> Xappe,yeah I specify -ao esd
[09:35] <jnc> mijndert: hmm
[09:35] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, ok thx
[09:35] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: warty?
[09:36] <jnc> mijndert: i think this is strange, there should be sound files in the /usr/share/sounds directory
[09:36] <DarthFrog> GNAM: Install Warty, then.
[09:36] <thoreauputic> DemonTears:  http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/
[09:36] <djp> DemonTears: thoreauputic recommended gnomebaker to me. it is excellent!
[09:36] <GNAM> warty doesn't boot on my laptop
[09:36] <GNAM> :P
[09:36] <mijndert> Yes there is, but when I try to play one, no sound is coming out of my speakers
[09:36] <GNAM> hoary 6 works
[09:36] <Fl-i-nT> Hi can anyone help me with a tiny mozilla-firefox problem?
[09:36] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, thx
[09:36] <DarthFrog> GNAM: So what's your problem?
[09:36] <jnc> djp: i could not find gnomebaker, is this in Universe?
[09:36] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: there are several files - you want the appropriate .deb
[09:36] <Fl-i-nT> it comes up with some wierd text at the bottom
[09:36] <sal002> Ahh!  Now I get similar error to - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2664.html
[09:36] <GNAM> warty had a serious problem in x86_64 kernel
[09:36] <jnc> Fl-i-nT: screenie?
[09:36] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, im using the 4.10
[09:37] <reb68> The cam is Dexxa which is same as logiteck. (sic) The sound card is ES1869 Control Interface (WDM) and the scanner is an OLD Microtec Scanmaker 4800.I am told it will never work in linux,
[09:37] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, what?
[09:37] <jnc> take a screenshot, please
[09:37] <sal002> Looks like off to bug report
[09:37] <jnc> so i can see
[09:37] <GNAM> problem solved with hoary
[09:37] <mijndert> jnc, there are some OGG en wave files but no sound is coming out of my speakers
[09:37] <jnc> mijndert: okay.  maybe sound does not work
[09:37] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/warty/gnomebaker/releases/i386/gnomebaker_0.3-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[09:37] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, now what?
[09:38] <mijndert> jnc, do you know a solution? I realy would like sound on my pc :)
[09:38] <jnc> Fl-i-nT: erm, could you email to me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:38] <jnc> i will look
[09:38] <jnc> mijndert: privmsg, please.  i can try some things
[09:38] <mijndert> Ok
[09:38] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, i get an error while installing it
[09:39] <geneo91> damn ubuntu keeps crashing even in failsafe xterm
[09:39] <mattgirv> How can I take a screenshot of my Linux box ? :)
[09:39] <Tynian> can anyone help me update my menu.lst file? I have to add "acpi=force pci=noacpi" to the kernal params but I'm not sure where
[09:39] <mattgirv> Print Screen no longer suffices in Openbox :P
[09:39] <hno73> Could someone give some advice on unbreaking my ubuntu :)
[09:39] <apokryphos> mattgirv: there's an option to "take screenshot" in one of the Gnome menus there
[09:39] <djp> jnc: get it from here ...http://digitalpenguin.homelinux.org/downloads/
[09:39] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: did you do sudo dpkg -i <nameofpackage> ?
[09:39] <hno73> I changed the name of vthe first user and now I can no longer sudo
[09:39] <jnc> djp: ! thanks
[09:40] <mattgirv> apokryphos: :( I don't use Gnome I am afraid.
[09:40] <apokryphos> mattgirv: what do you use?
[09:40] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, its ok thx
[09:40] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, done it its sent
[09:40] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: got it?
[09:40] <mattgirv> apokryphos: I know there are terminal commands to do it, but I forgot them, I am using Openbox at the moment
[09:40] <MMond> Okay.. so I'm getting Fluxbox.. http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/download.php what exactly do I wanna get? The debian binary package?
[09:40] <apokryphos> mattgirv: erm, you could use imagemagick if you have that installed
[09:40] <apokryphos> mattgirv: if not, it's a quick installation anyhow
[09:40] <hno73> What's the best way to add myself to the sudo list again? With a live CD?
[09:40] <djp> jnc: thoreauputic gave the roiginal link earlier
[09:40] <mattgirv> oki :)
[09:41] <mattgirv> thanks
[09:41] <wdh> does anyone know of a good GTK alternative for an integrated LaTeX editor such as Kile(KDE) or TeXnicsCenter(Windows)??
[09:41] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, do i have to be root to exec it
[09:41] <jnc> Fl-i-nT: okay.   i will have a look
[09:41] <GNAM> good question wdh
[09:42] <thoreauputic> DemonTears:   ` sudo dpkg -i packagename
[09:42] <mattgirv> apokryphos: What is the command when I have installed that?
[09:42] <thoreauputic> or do you mean the app?
[09:42] <wdh> GNAM, i know :P
[09:42] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, wait its still sending it o.O
[09:42] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, not for exe after install
[09:42] <MMond> Okay.. so I'm getting Fluxbox.. http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/download.php what exactly do I wanna get? The debian binary package? <-- :s
[09:42] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, how long does it take for evolution to send a email?
[09:42] <Tynian> I *think* I just need to add that to the of the default params, but I'm not sure...
[09:42] <apokryphos> mattgirv: import
[09:42] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, its been saying sending for like 30 seconds
[09:43] <zenwhen> sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[09:43] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: it shoulbe in the menu under multimedia - if not, just type  gnomebaker & in a terminal
[09:43] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, there finally sent
[09:43] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, ok thx
[09:43] <reb68> I think I will try my question again later
[09:43] <jnc> :)
[09:46] <reb68> exit
[09:46] <MMond> http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/download.php  <-- what package do I want here? :x
[09:47] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: BTW if you start from a terminal it will probably spit out a few warnings - if it works Ok you can disregard them
[09:47] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, thx its work good :)
[09:47] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, any solution?
[09:47] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: you're welcom - enjoy :)
[09:48] <jnc> Fl-i-nT: hang on, i am fighting my email spam
[09:48] <jnc> it is a losing battle
[09:48] <fluoro> Hey guys.
[09:48] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, why?
[09:48] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, its freeze :( when converting mp3 to audio file
[09:48] <Ajray> I loathe satellight internet
[09:49] <Ajray> Hey everyone
[09:49] <mattgirv> Hi
[09:49] <mattgirv> Satellite by the way, ehm I think lol
[09:49] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: I haven't tried that - if you run it from a terminal, you might see an error when it does that
[09:50] <Fl-i-nT> Does anyone know of a good WEb making programme?
[09:50] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: if it won't close, type ` killall gnomebaker` in a terminal
[09:50] <Echylo> Fl-i-nT  Gedit
[09:50] <thoreauputic> then try it from the terminal
[09:50] <Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  NVU
[09:51] <Ajray> See why I hate it?
[09:51] <MMond> I can't download fluxbox by syanptic now, can I?
[09:51] <Fl-i-nT> Snarfy, i cant find that package on my Synaptic
[09:51] <robin_> I have installed xserver-xfree86 (because xorg currently doesn't support my i845 in res higher than 640) but it does not save configuration made with 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'
[09:51] <thoreauputic> MMond: you can, but it's an old version in warty
[09:52] <MMond> thoreauputic: Hrmm. http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/download.php <-- what do I want here then? the binary debian package?
[09:52] <Xappe> Ajray, sattelite? modem upstream and satellite downstream?
[09:52] <thoreauputic> MMond: if you like I can send you the deb I made for myself
[09:52] <Ajray> Satellight up and down
[09:52] <Sonium_> hi,
[09:52] <robin_> robin_ I solved the problem, by using the xorg configuration file.. but I think dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 should do the job ;)
[09:53] <Sonium_> can someone tell me my root password?
[09:53] <thoreauputic> MMond: you install it with the  `sudo dpkg -i ` command
[09:53] <apokryphos> Sonium_: ubuntu uses sudo; not the conventional root.
[09:53] <Sonium_> erm, that means?
[09:53] <mattgirv> It means there is no root account
[09:53] <Fl-i-nT> Snarfy, how do i get that ppackage?
[09:53] <apokryphos> Sonium_: it means "you", but with root permissions.
[09:53] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell Sonium_ ubusudo
[09:53] <Pyre> Sonium_: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:53] <Xappe> Ajray, how do you accomplish that? sending with your parabolic antenna? ;)
[09:54] <mattgirv> You have to use the sudo command to give root priviledges
[09:54] <thoreauputic> MMond: http://interlink.webhop.org/fluxbox-0.9.12_0.9.12-1_i386.deb
[09:54] <Ajray> I really wonder why I came here. I don't even have a ubuntu distro Yet Another
[09:54] <Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  i don't think there is a dep but there are rpm's ... maybe a alien will work
[09:54] <Ajray> Yeah
[09:54] <thoreauputic> MMond: that will get you a warty deb, anyway
[09:54] <Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  didn't try myself
[09:54] <Ajray> The DW6000 modem sucks badly, though.
[09:54] <MMond> thoreauputic: Made for yourself.. as I said, I usually stay close to the mainstream stuf.. at the same time, I have incredibly little knowledge of this.. my laptop seems to have really great compatilibty problems, it's 6 years old, 266 mhz, I used it for experimenting :s
[09:55] <Bauhn> Hi, I tried to install vlc through "apt-get install vlc" but it didn't work.. can anyone help me with installing it?
[09:55] <airox> Anyone has a working msi pc54g wireless card ? (Broadcom chipset)
[09:55] <thoreauputic> MMond: up to you - several people have had no trouble with that deb
[09:55] <encKe`> does Ubuntu support a pretty good range of pci wireless cards?
[09:55] <robin_> airox: ndiswrapper ?
[09:55] <encKe`> like Motorola by chance?
[09:55] <thoreauputic> MMond: but I understand your reticence
[09:55] <airox> robin_: Would that work ?
[09:55] <Fl-i-nT> Snarfy, an alien?
[09:55] <airox> robin_: Hard to configure ?
[09:56] <DarthFrog> robin_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[09:56] <robin_> airox: you could check it, my linksys wpc54g is also broadcom and seems to work
[09:56] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, any luck?
[09:56] <Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  http://www.nvu.com/download.html <= the package
[09:56] <robin_> DarthFrog: I already got it to work :P
[09:56] <thoreauputic> MMond: fluxbox is a very small and simple window manager - not a lot can go horribly wrong with it
[09:56] <Bauhn> Can anyone here help me to install VLC?
[09:56] <DarthFrog> robin_: Good stuff.  How well is it working?
[09:56] <airox> DarthFrog: Give it to me!
[09:56] <jnc> Fl-i-nT: not yet.   i apparently have a small penis that needs to 'grow'  according to emails i receive
[09:56] <WillCooke> Does anyone know if WEP should work when using ndiswrapper to drive a linksys 802.11b card?
[09:56] <airox> :)
[09:56] <robin_> DarthFrog: perfectly
[09:56] <jnc> :(
[09:56] <Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  alien ... use to make a .dep from a .rpm
[09:56] <DarthFrog> airox: Give what to you?
[09:56] <robin_> DarthFrog: including WPA
[09:57] <Ajray> Well, as much as I'm accomplishing here I must leave
[09:57] <Ajray> Adios
[09:57] <MMond> thoreauputic: Fair enough.. I'll give it a shot
[09:57] <airox> DarthFrog: that url ;)
[09:57] <DarthFrog> airox: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[09:57] <robin_> WillCooke: probably
[09:57] <airox> tnx DarthFrog
[09:57] <thoreauputic> MMond: I can probably walk you through setting it up to start from gdm login - not too hard
[09:57] <WillCooke> robin, :)  I must be doing something wrong then!
[09:58] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, hehe
[09:58] <robin_> how good is the Kubuntu btw ?
[09:58] <Bauhn> I need help with installing VLC (or any other media player that play mp3's) Anyone here who can?
[09:58] <thoreauputic> robin_: most people who tried it seem to be happy
[09:58] <apokryphos> robin_: really very great. :)
[09:58] <Xappe> Bauhn, sudo apt-get install xmms
[09:59] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: you're biased ;-)
[09:59] <Bauhn> Xappe, and how does that program work?
[09:59] <Fl-i-nT> Snarfy, whats the website for alien?
[09:59] <djp> Bauhn: the Music Player default for ubuntu plays MP3's
[09:59] <bwlang> Bauhn: I recommend amarok: it's a nice gui... if you want something simpler xmms is okay... on the command line there are other options.
[09:59] <robin_> apokryphos: okay, I will give it a try
[09:59] <Xappe> Bauhn, xmms is a winamp clone
[09:59] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: shh, don't tell them. :P
[09:59] <Bauhn> djp, no it doesn't
[09:59] <Bauhn> Xappe, nice
[10:00] <Bauhn> bwlang, and how do i get it?
[10:00] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: heheh :)
[10:00] <djp> Bauhn: sure does!
[10:00] <Xappe> Bauhn, you could also try beep-media-player
[10:00] <bwlang> Bauhn: do you know how to use synaptic ?
[10:00] <Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  did you try apt-get install alien ?
[10:00] <Bauhn> bwlang, not really ;P
[10:00] <djp> Bauhn: check out the following link for help setting up ubuntu http://ubuntuguide.org
[10:00] <Rockj> which one should I stick with? ftp://ftp.uninett.no/linux/ubuntu-iso/
[10:00] <Fl-i-nT> nope didnt know you had to do that soz
[10:00] <Rockj> which directory?
[10:01] <NamShub> Hi
[10:01] <NamShub> Everytime I log into ubuntu I lose my net connection after a few minutes...
[10:01] <Fl-i-nT> Snarfy, ok i have done that now should it be in my Synaptic?
[10:01] <NamShub> How can I bring it back manually
[10:01] <bwlang> Bauhn: well - you're going to want to use that if you're going to use ubuntu... it's on the "system" menu... there's pretty good help for it.
[10:01] <NamShub> (im connected to a router with dhcp)
[10:01] <pvh> I can't eject a CD from my drive!
[10:02] <Bauhn> bwlang, i tested it yesterday, but i dont understand it totally yet..
[10:02] <bwlang> NamShub: i suspect you have multiple copies of dhclient running and interfering with each other...
[10:02] <pvh> It doesn't show up in media, and it won't respond to pressing the button!
[10:02] <pvh> NamShub: great nick
[10:02] <Xappe> pvh, you have to unmount it first
[10:02] <robin_> btw, I still think there is something wrong with the xorg package and the i810 driver
[10:02] <Fl-i-nT> Snarfy, oh ok i get it what it does but how can i find a NVU RPM now?
[10:02] <NamShub> bwlang: and how can I stop one?
[10:02] <NamShub> pvh: thx :P
[10:02] <pvh> Xappe: it's not mounted apparently
[10:02] <Rockj> which directory/distro-release should I stick with? ftp://ftp.uninett.no/linux/ubuntu-iso/
[10:02] <Xappe> pvh,  it probably is
[10:02] <bwlang> Bauhn: the main idea there is to mark software for installation or deinstallatoin... just search for xmms or amarok or whatever and mark it for installation
[10:03] <Rockj> hoary? jigit? warty?
[10:03] <pvh> Xappe: umount: /dev/hdc is not mounted (according to mtab)
[10:03] <Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  if you installed alien, then try downloading the rpm for NVU and "alien" it to a debian package with alien <package.rpm>
[10:03] <Xappe> pvh, do a umount /media/cdrom0 and try the button again
[10:03] <bwlang> NamShub: you can tell if my hypothesis is correct by typing ps aux | grep dhc  on a command line ... you should see only one of these
[10:03] <NamShub> bwlang: ps aux | grep dh shows only 1 process
[10:03] <bwlang> NamShub: interesting... what does route -n show
[10:03] <thoreauputic> Rockj: how much experience do you have with linux? if not much, choose warty
[10:03] <Fl-i-nT> Snarfy, do i have to get NVU from there site or do i type apt-get something?
[10:03] <pvh> Xappe: it's my second drive, and isn't listed in media
[10:03] <NamShub> <IP_ADDRESS>     <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>   U     0      0        0 eth0
[10:03] <NamShub> <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>     <IP_ADDRESS>         UG    0      0        0 eth0
[10:04] <Xappe> pvh, ah
[10:04] <Bauhn> bwlang, sweet
[10:04] <bwlang> namshub: no line like this? <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>    <IP_ADDRESS>         UG    0      0        0 ath0
[10:04] <thoreauputic> Fl-i-nT: www.ubuntuguide.org has a guide for installing nvu
[10:04] <robin_> those the kubuntu got also that nice update package manager ?
[10:04] <robin_> those=does
[10:05] <supos> Anyone know if the firefox icons are supposed to look the way they do in Hoary? (Is this a bug or a feature?)
[10:05] <djp> anyone here adept at setting up cron jobs?
[10:05] <Rockj> thoreauputic: abit, but not that much. I want to run it as a server, not a desktop with GUI. if GUI, it shoulden't be gnome or kde but just light-one.
[10:05] <Xappe> pvh, and no entry in the Places menu or in nautilus?
[10:05] <bwlang> namshub: you can manually add the route like this 'ip route add default <IP_ADDRESS>'
[10:05] <apokryphos> robin_: it has kynaptic, which -- to be fair -- isn't as advanced as synaptic, but work is being done on it.
[10:05] <pvh> Xappe: no...
[10:05] <apokryphos> robin_: but if you've got gtk installed, there's no harm in having synaptic anyhow.
[10:05] <thoreauputic> Rockj: for that, I personally would use Debian Sarge
[10:05] <pvh> robin_: kynaptic is pretty nice in some ways. it's really fast.
[10:06] <Sonium_> isn't gcc a part of the standart ubuntu installation?
[10:06] <Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  better follow this, then you're sure it will work [thoreauputic Fl-i-nT: www.ubuntuguide.org has a guide for installing nvu]
[10:06] <Xappe> pvh, ok...strange. well have you tried to umount the usual mountpoint for the drive then?
[10:06] <Rockj> thoreauputic: I tried Debian Sarge, the install just "forks" up :/
[10:06] <robin_> well I meant the Ubuntu Update manager, and not synaptic
[10:06] <thoreauputic> Rockj: the new installer for debian is the same as the ubuntu installer - that's odd
[10:06] <pvh> Xappe: yeah, without any luck.
[10:06] <Rockj> only one I have managed to get thru, where everything is working is Fedora. but atm I got troubles compiling stuff.
[10:06] <Rockj> thoreauputic: hum :/
[10:07] <Xappe> pvh, that's bad :/ how about forced umount?
[10:07] <pvh> Xappe: doesn't show up in mount -l
[10:07] <bwlang> Rockj: you could try installing debian from a live distro... like knoppix.   But the debian installer is pretty solid... is it possible that you gave it bad info?
[10:07] <thoreauputic> Rockj: is this an old machine?
[10:07] <Xappe> pvh, ok
[10:07] <pvh> Xappe: so apparently, it isn't mounted at all
[10:07] <pvh> Xappe: Perhaps I could force a remount.
[10:07] <Rockj> thoreauputic: abit old, p2 450mhz with scsi hdd
[10:07] <Bauhn> why do i allways get "broken packages" when i'm trying with apt-get?
[10:07] <Rockj> bwlang: nope, not afaik.
[10:07] <Xappe> pvh, you cant mount it either?
[10:08] <thoreauputic> Rockj: should be fine as a server, assuming you have reasonable RAM
[10:08] <Rockj> thoreauputic: don't remember the exact error I had, but I had error with gentoo too :/
[10:08] <bwlang> Rockj: I'm not saying you "knowingly" gave it bad info... ;)
[10:08] <pvh> mount /media/cdrom0
[10:08] <pvh> heh, wrong windwo
[10:08] <jnc> Rockj: *drool*
[10:08] <thoreauputic> Bauhn: have you checked that you have all repositories configured right?
[10:09] <pvh> Xappe: mount seems to be hung...
[10:09] <Xappe> pvh, that should be mount /dev/hd[x]  /media/cdrom0
[10:09] <jnc> Rockj: load it up with as much memory as possible, and run a web server
[10:09] <Rockj> thoreauputic: Used days to try to get help, but noone could help me, so I gave up the idea and went back to a working install of fedora :/
[10:09] <jnc> :)
[10:09] <pvh> Xappe: unless it's in the fstab
[10:09] <pvh> Xappe: which it wasn't
[10:09] <Bauhn> thoreauputic, i dont know, not so good at linux..
[10:09] <djp> Bauhn: did you manage to get mp3's playing with your default music player, Rhythmbox?
[10:09] <Rockj> jnc: its only supposed to be for that. ;) and a dhcp server
[10:09] <pvh> Xappe: but now mount has frozen.
[10:09] <Rockj> maybe running samba so I could move over some gb's with stash ;)
[10:09] <jnc> Rockj: maybe you should think about staying with a minimal install of debian gnu/linux
[10:10] <Xappe> pvh, kill the bastard :P
[10:10] <jnc> unless it is your only desktop computer
[10:10] <pvh> Xappe: won't even respond to sigints
[10:10] <Xappe> pvh, hmm, that's bad
[10:10] <Trixisity> Has anyone experience in mounting a USB mass storage device such as an mp3-man
[10:10] <pvh> Xappe: Sweet, now mount is gone from my proc listing, but my terminal is still hung.
[10:10] <Rockj> jnc: mhm.  but I might wanna try to get it to compile psybnc first. Thats my only problem I have now with fedora. but I get a problem realated to: http://forums.devshed.com/t110356/s.html?highlight=psyBNC
[10:11] <pvh> Xappe: this just keeps getting weirder
[10:11] <maxchee> What is the difference between evolution and kontact? Which one is more mature? and Which one is more stable?
[10:11] <MMond> Does it come with suckit?
[10:11] <SysFail> anybody have that reposit for the dvd playback file????
[10:11] <SysFail> i cant find the forum entry that had it
[10:11] <maxchee> Sysfail: google debian marillat
[10:11] <Xappe> pvh, i suggest you kick your cdrom drive
[10:11] <djp> maxchee: i think kontact is KDE app and Evolution is gnome based
[10:11] <pvh> Xappe: I suggest you don't buy HP.
[10:11] <jnc> maxchee: evolution has support from Novell company
[10:11] <maxchee> djp: that's rather...obvious?
[10:12] <Rockj> jnc: any suggestion on the psybnc error? downgrade gcc? oO
[10:12] <pvh> Xappe: time to reboot. this is oogalay
[10:12] <Xappe> pvh, well, their printers are ok :P
[10:12] <apokryphos> maxchee: I prefer kontact. Tight intergration with several other things... kmail/akregator/addressbook/kontact etc.
[10:12] <maxchee> but what about their functions?
[10:12] <djp> maxchee: sorry. just giving a difference. i prefer evolution for what it is worth...
[10:12] <apokryphos> quite a few more things, too.
[10:12] <SysFail> there was a great entry for it on the ubuntu forums
[10:12] <jnc> Rockj: privmsg me if you want and we can work it out
[10:12] <SysFail> where the hell did it go
[10:13] <maxchee> I believe kontact is rather new. Is it as stable as evolution or is it more stable?
[10:13] <NamShubWin> Ok I logged on my old computer so I could login to IRC
[10:13] <NamShubWin> After ~5 minutes, I lose my net connection
[10:13] <apokryphos> maxchee: Well, I've never come across a bug, and I use it all the time.
[10:13] <NamShubWin> *fresh* (k)ubuntu install
[10:13] <maxchee> SysFail: just search ubuntu wiki for debian marillat and you will find the article
[10:14] <DarthFrog> maxchee: Kontact is quite good.  I've used it for over a year and had no problems with it.
[10:14] <maxchee> do both of them support mbox importing?
[10:14] <NamShubWin> I can not even ping my router :(
[10:14] <maxchee> Darthfrog: so you've used it before kontact 1.0 is released, right?
[10:14] <NamShubWin> any clue?
[10:15] <DarthFrog> maxchee: Well, whatever version was included with KDE 3.2 for Mandrake.
[10:15] <Sonium_> where can in find the kernel header files?
[10:15] <maxchee> NamShubWin: your router might ignore ping packets
[10:15] <DarthFrog> Sonium_: linux-header-(kernel version)
[10:15] <Sonium_> full path?
[10:15] <maxchee> NamShubWin: protection from hackers
[10:15] <DarthFrog> Sonium_: Use Synaptic.
[10:16] <maxchee> Do evolution and kontact support mbox file importing?
[10:16] <maxchee> and do they intergrate with the system mailbox
[10:16] <Sonium_> what is synaptic ? :P
[10:16] <DarthFrog> Sonium_: Oh, I see what you're after.  Probably /usr/include/linux
[10:16] <maxchee> Sonium_:a graphical package manager
[10:16] <maxchee> Sonium_:you use it to install/uninstall programs
[10:16] <DarthFrog> Sonium_: :-)  Synaptic is the graphical package manager, used by default in Ubuntu.
[10:17] <Sonium_> ok, i'm working on text mode ;)
[10:17] <DarthFrog> maxchee: KMail can use mbox files.
[10:17] <Anubis> one day xmms is playing
[10:17] <Anubis> the next
[10:17] <Anubis> it seg faults?
[10:17] <Sonium_> but kernel headers work, thx
[10:17] <DarthFrog> Sonium_: Then apt-get is your friend.
[10:17] <apokryphos> maxchee: mbox file importing.. kmail: yes.
[10:18] <SysFail> its not there maxchee but thanks for your response
[10:18] <Sonium_> hrm, where are there any kernel sources on the standart installation?
[10:19] <maxchee> also, does anyone here use the system mailbox? I am forced to check my hormail for at least another 6 months regularly and I would like an automated solution
[10:19] <maxchee> I believe on sf.net
[10:19] <pvf> hello
[10:19] <maxchee> they provide several daemons that will fetch mail from hotmail servers and download it to the local mailbox
[10:20] <maxchee> but will modern programs like kmail and evolution accept those?
[10:20] <NamShubWin> what is the command to bring my network back?
[10:20] <pvf> anyone knows why there are no sticky windows in ubuntu ?
[10:20] <Chipzz> maxchee: yes, you connect to local mailserver with evolution
[10:20] <maxchee> pvf: you mean the stick notes applet?
[10:20] <Chipzz> or kmail
[10:20] <jnc> no no
[10:20] <jnc> 'sticky' windows
[10:20] <FR500> hello
[10:20] <jnc> same window stays on all desktops
[10:21] <maxchee> Chipzz: any security problems associated with it?
[10:21] <jnc> pvf: that is a function of 'metacity' windowmanager
[10:21] <Chipzz> maxchee: how's that?
[10:21] <FR500> is there any way to replace the Mac style clock cursor with the one that was in warty?
[10:21] <Chipzz> you can have it listen only on local adresses
[10:21] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, any luck?
[10:21] <pvf> maxchee: no mate...sticky windows...like when you aproximate a window to the border ...it sticks
[10:21] <maxchee> Chipzz: well it's a server, but it would be safe if it only accepts <IP_ADDRESS> connections
[10:21] <scandium> jnc, right click title bar and select "always on visible workspace"?
[10:22] <jnc> pvf: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[10:22] <scandium> jnc, oh sorry, misread, thought you asked
[10:22] <jnc> pvf: i think you are looking for "window resistance"
[10:22] <maxchee> pvf: you mean docking windows? I have only seen gaim doing that, on windows 2000
[10:22] <Sonium_> ok, there are no kernel sources right?
[10:22] <Chipzz> Sonium_: yes
[10:22] <maxchee> Sonium_: but you can always download it through apt-get/synaptic
[10:23] <jnc> Fl-i-nT: still hacking away
[10:23] <Chipzz> linux-source for ubuntu kernels, kernel-source for debian kernels
[10:23] <Sonium_> this means, if some program requires the sources, i have to download and make/install them first
[10:23] <Fl-i-nT> oh ok jnc when you get it can you pm the answer please
[10:23] <FR500> is there a way to change cursors?
[10:23] <Fl-i-nT> it would be of alot fo help
[10:23] <jnc> Fl-i-nT: i should respond to you via email soon
[10:23] <maxchee> Chipzz: Is there a way to import mbox to local mailserver and export mails stored in it to mbox?
[10:23] <kent> FR500, there is a package called gcursor f ot that. its in Hoary
[10:23] <pvf> maxchee: like winamp...when you move the playlist window to the main window...it kinda magnets there
[10:24] <Chipzz> maxchee: not sure
[10:24] <FR500> kent, thanks
[10:24] <SysFail> whew found em
[10:24] <maxchee> pvf: try a different window manager, like enlightenment
[10:25] <A0000001> DCC SEND "+ y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y
[10:25] <scandium> absolutely
[10:25] <sysrq> heh
[10:26] <Xappe> hmm
[10:26] <HcE> virus?
[10:26] <HcE> got pretty interesting dcc send from him
[10:27] <Sonium_> can someone tell me how to get my kernel sources?
[10:27] <Sonium_> i installed the latest ubuntu version
[10:27] <sal002> What installs the splash screens for grub?
[10:27] <tck> Sonium_, get linux-headers from synaptic
[10:28] <DoppelGanger> ha ah you do sal002
[10:28] <pablo928> Hi everybody.
[10:28] <zenwhen> hello
[10:28] <JDahl> Sonium_, apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 or whatever
[10:28] <Xappe> Sonium_,  apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[10:28] <_steve> how do I create a root password?
[10:28] <airox> _steve: sudo passwd
[10:29] <tck> _steve, sudo passwd root
[10:29] <sal002> DoppelGanger: ?
[10:29] <pablo928> Any one know where I can find a mp3 plug-in for k3b?
[10:29] <tck> pablo928, you try synaptic ?
[10:30] <pablo928> Did'nt think I'd find one there since it's proprietary.
[10:30] <tck> isn't k3b a cd burning app ?
[10:30] <DoppelGanger> sal002: splash screens are a feature of grub
[10:31] <DoppelGanger> you can make your ownsplash screens
[10:31] <Xappe> tck, yes
[10:31] <DoppelGanger> alter teh grub file
[10:31] <djp> anyone able to help with a dar backup problem?
[10:31] <Panquekas> anyone has an nvidia, kernel 2.6.8-1-5-686-smp ? my system tell me that: "failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module" :|
[10:31] <DoppelGanger> and have that screen loaded at startup
[10:31] <tck> Panquekas, try #nvidia
[10:31] <sal002> DoppelGanger: Ahh..thought there was a n ubuntu splash screen
[10:32] <tck> djp, a tar backup ?
[10:32] <pablo928> yes, k3b is a cd/dvd burning program but it won't let me burn mp3 files.
[10:32] <maxchee> pvf: metacity (gnome's default window manager) is featureless and you need alternative gnome compliant window manager to do that
[10:32] <Panquekas> tck, but it's no problem from nvidia drivers.. because i used on an kernel 2.6.8-1-5-386 without smp and worked :\
[10:32] <tck> pablo928, isn't there other ones you can use ?
[10:33] <Xappe> Panquekas, have you installed the restricted modules for that kernel?
[10:33] <djp> tck: using dar to backup. have created a couple of scripts and trying to run them as cron jobs. however get the message that No terminal found for user interaction. All questions will abort the program.Reading config file: /root/.darrc
[10:33] <tck> what the hell is dar ?
[10:33] <airox> tar he means i think
[10:34] <Panquekas> Xappe, yes
[10:34] <DoppelGanger> dar she blows captain
[10:34] <tck> well theres an app called dar in synaptic
[10:34] <pablo928>  tck:Yes I can convert all the mp3files to .ogg files with audacity, but I'm not sure if I can do that bulk,
[10:34] <djp> tck: http://dar.linux.free.fr/
[10:34] <tck> im getting it now djp ;)
[10:35] <djp> airox: no dar. http://dar.linux.free.fr/
[10:36] <pvf> maxchee: thx
[10:36] <tck> pablo928, http://k3b.plainblack.com/requirements
[10:37] <factotum> heh, just had my first experience running a game on ubuntu, pretty cool
[10:37] <airox> What driver would I use for ndiswrapper ? The xp, 98, 200 or me driver ?
[10:37] <factotum> for only a 64 meg card it wasnt bad
[10:37] <factotum> hah
[10:37] <Blissex> airox: get another card -- dont bother with 'ndiswrapper'.
[10:37] <djp> no one else using or ever used dar?
[10:38] <airox> Blissex: ...
[10:38] <factotum> it was just neverwinter nights, but its great. Mouse kinda drags a bit, but otherwise not bad
[10:38] <airox> The one says it works perfectly the other claims i don't have to bother ?
[10:38] <airox> :S
[10:38] <tck> factotum, what u use, wine or cedega ?
[10:38] <munki> airox : just use a driver, ndiswrapper runs nicely
[10:38] <Blissex> airox: it works perfectly as far as it goes, when it goes.
[10:38] <factotum> tck: i run it native
[10:38] <tck> cool
[10:38] <munki> airox : I use ndiswrapper now
[10:39] <factotum> tck: just download the needed packages from the nwn site
[10:39] <geneo93> well i just borked my hoary install for good
[10:39] <v1> hello: is it ok to ask a stupid question?
[10:39] <DoppelGanger> ha ha
[10:39] <DoppelGanger> no
[10:39] <v1> well I'm gunna anyway
[10:39] <alexis_> hello
[10:39] <encKe`> think they will combine ubuntu & KUbuntu someday?
[10:40] <factotum> encKe`: dont know, dont care
[10:40] <encKe`> lol....k
[10:40] <factotum> heh
[10:40] <airox> Eventually you have to choose encKe` :)
[10:40] <kosmos> encKe`, its combined, kubuntu is in the main reps imho
[10:40] <v1> during install I'm sure I wasn't asked for a root password? what's up there?
[10:40] <apokryphos> encKe`: kubuntu is part of ubuntu
[10:40] <factotum> im waiting for "fluxbuntu" well, not really
[10:40] <encKe`> k
[10:41] <factotum> i guess i already have it
[10:41] <kosmos> v1, read about sudo
[10:41] <v1> sudo k
[10:41] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell v1 ubusudo
[10:41] <Pyre> v1: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:41] <geneo93> v1 use sudo
[10:41] <JDahl> v1, was or wasnt? normally ubuntu doesnt create a root account, but yesterday it did so when I installed Hoary preview
[10:41] <airox> i guess 1 wm is more then enough for ubuntu
[10:42] <alexis_> I(ve got a big problem with an update... could someone help me?
[10:42] <factotum> in some cases no window manager is more than enough
[10:42] <airox> let them make 1 great wm
[10:42] <airox> there a more then enough distro's having kde
[10:43] <apokryphos> airox: more the merrier
[10:43] <lookorez> is there a repository that has rubygems in it?
[10:43] <Xappe> how large partitions do you recommend for a 300 GB disk (i'm going to install ubuntu on that disk tomorow)
[10:43] <kosmos> yeah but k3b is an argument for kde
[10:43] <airox> Xappe: ever thought about LVM ?
[10:43] <thoreauputic> when is "ratpoisonbuntu" coming out ? ;-)
[10:44] <geneo93> gives ppl choice
[10:44] <lookorez> i'm loving kubuntu atm
[10:44] <JDahl> Xappe, 6 GB for Ubuntu is more than enough.. then install /home on a separate partition
[10:44] <Xappe> airox, don't even know what lvm is :)
[10:44] <thoreauputic> logical volume management?
[10:44] <factotum> heh 300GB, damn, I have 80gb and im barely using 10% of that
[10:45] <v1> Oh I see, cheers for the help, guys. Bit of a strange way to set things up but I'm open to new things : even no root account
[10:46] <Xappe> thoreauputic, and what does that really mean?
[10:46] <geneo93> factotum:  i have 80 gig of mp3's
[10:46] <lookorez> i have 3tb :/
[10:46] <factotum> v1: you can have a root account if you give it a password
[10:46] <pablo928>  tck:found and installed "madplay" from synaptic. Your link told me just what to look for. Thanks.
[10:46] <thoreauputic> Xappe: I haven't the faintest idea :)
[10:46] <thoreauputic> haha
[10:46] <thoreauputic> Xappe: sorry :(
[10:46] <Xappe> thoreauputic, haha
[10:46] <alexis_> do you know if an apt-get dist-upgrade often do verry bad things? I updated my warty to hary but the only thing I get is a broken ext3 support so my / is mounted in read only, after reboot, I get a kernel panic!
[10:46] <factotum> i cant think of 80gb of bands that i like
[10:47] <airox> hehe
[10:47] <airox> i just use internet radio :))
[10:47] <raetsel> good evening all
[10:47] <airox> seems to spare disk space
[10:47] <airox> hi raetsel
[10:47] <calc> i'm only using around 1.8GB for ubuntu itself
[10:47] <geneo93> well this goes from 60's to present
[10:47] <Xappe> airox, you could explain lvm to me maybe?
[10:47] <factotum> working at a record store helps too ;)
[10:47] <Levander> Are they still upgrading versions of things in the hoary repository? Or, if it's that version in the repository, that's probably the version that's gonna be released?
[10:47] <raetsel> Hi Airox
[10:48] <calc> Levander: just bug fixes at this point
[10:48] <airox> Xappe: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/whatisvolman.html
[10:48] <nis> Are there any ubuntu mirrors to point /etc/apt/sources.list to?
[10:48] <calc> Levander: its coming out in a couple weeks
[10:48] <airox> nis: yes
[10:48] <geneo93> Levander:  march 30 is cut off date
[10:48] <raetsel> Does anyone know how you unsubscribe from the portal site? Through not paying attention I have joined twice
[10:48] <factotum> having a good music collection is one thing, hoarding is just a waste
[10:48] <Xappe> airox, thnx
[10:48] <Daehlie> nis: uncomment the lines in the file with the sources in it
[10:48] <Levander> calc: cool, i've never done a apt-get dist-upgrade before on a debian distribution, this'll be first!
[10:49] <Levander> how many problems should I expect?
[10:49] <returnthis> cups question: since the webadmin is disabled, how do you figure out the uri?
[10:49] <odie5533> Is there any good ftp software for ubuntu?
[10:49] <nis> Daehlie: I'm upgrading from debian woody and didn't snag a distribution version of that file.  So nothing to uncomment.
[10:49] <calc> Levander: none
[10:49] <Levander> calc: haha! i'll believe it when i see it
[10:49] <factotum> odie5533: yea its called ummm......oh yea ftp.  kidding, gftp aint too bad
[10:49] <geneo93> well i just had problems with kde
[10:49] <calc> Levander: any upgrade issues should have already be resolved by the time hoary is released
[10:49] <EfaistOs> when hoary is coming out ? can i use it now ?
[10:49] <Levander> calc: how come so many are having problems in this channel getting that new Xorg stuff to work then?
[10:49] <calc> Levander: personally i just always run the unstable version of the dist
[10:50] <isam> EfaistOs: use it
[10:50] <Levander> EfaistOs: yeah, can use it now, but it's still beta
[10:50] <calc> Levander: dunno
[10:50] <Krause> heya guys, im havin trouble building a kernel with dpkg. on my PC it works fine, but on my laptop, it fails to make a intrid.img in /boot (no reported error) so when it boots into the new kernel, it fails to load anything and kernel panics, anyone know what may cause that?
[10:50] <returnthis> anyone here use cups in ubuntu?
[10:50] <Levander> calc: yeah, well I'm half expecting to have to dig through X server configuration again files when I do upgrade...
[10:50] <geneo93> RC1 is slated for april 6
[10:50] <calc> Levander: the configuration is very similiar if there is any difference at all from xfree
[10:51] <Levander> calc: okay, cool, hopefully i won't have to
[10:51] <Levander> geneo93: but when is it gonna be released for real, not just as a release candidate?
[10:51] <xerox> Hi.
[10:51] <isam> I am plan to: add archive.ubuntulinux.org to my sources.list of my Debian Sarge, give release s=hoary a higher PIN value in /etc/apt/prefrences .. is what I am doing crazy ? or a nice way to move to Ubuntu from Debian ?
[10:51] <factotum> ugh its only 4pm and im already drinking a beer
[10:51] <isam> xerox: hi
[10:52] <Levander> factotum: just consider yourself lucky not on west coast then i guess
[10:52] <factotum> Levander: true
[10:52] <factotum> just a little hair of the dog
[10:52] <Levander> factotum: just puts a nice perspective on things
[10:53] <xerox> The LiveCD found the touchpad & the usb mouse, even if the first was disabled... the installed ubuntu didn't findt the first, what can I do to get it working=
[10:53] <xerox> ?
[10:53] <Xappe> airox, so LVM is something one could call software raid?
[10:53] <returnthis> are there any docs on cups for ubuntu? I can't find any one the site
[10:53] <Sonium_> apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 just made a bz2 file in /usr/src
[10:53] <factotum> yes, I would like to thank the sun for making me not sound quite so much like an alchie
[10:53] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, you got anywhere?
[10:54] <Sonium_> should't it be unpacked automaticaly?
[10:54] <nis> Sonium_ I don't believe so.  You would just bzcat source.bz2 | tar -xvf -
[10:54] <thoreauputic> isam: more or less crazy :)
[10:55] <factotum> ugh, i have a job interview tomorrow morning...grrr
[10:55] <Sonium_> what makes bzcat?
[10:55] <isam> thoreauputic: crazy good or crazy bad ?
[10:55] <nis> Sonium_ Probably bunzip or bzip
[10:55] <returnthis> does anyone know how to reenable cups web interface?
[10:55] <nis> isam: why not just comment out the debian mirrors in sources.list?
[10:55] <factotum> for "design cordinator" at this design agency
[10:55] <factotum> might pan out well though
[10:56] <isam> nis: so, I won't need any of the debian sources along with Ubuntu ?
[10:56] <returnthis> is there a user oriented ubuntu channel?
[10:56] <raetsel> or a tar jvxf source.bz2 , Sonium that should work too
[10:57] <nis> isam: not that I can see.  Haven't installed ubuntu yet; I'm trying to get all the *.deb files into /var/cache/apt/archives first, having moved all the debian versions out of it.
[10:57] <isam> returnthis: from /etc/cups/cupsd.conf  .. under the "Listen" and "Port"
[10:58] <returnthis> isam: right thats working, but it says admin tasks have been disabled
[10:58] <returnthis> so I can't do anything useful witht that interface
[10:58] <isam> nis: I think that according to APT, giving a PIN value that is greater than 1000 gives the packages from the PINed source a high priority so that they overwrite other sources
[10:58] <fsantos> Hi everyone! I'm trying to use Citrix ICA client and keep getting this error. /usr/lib/ICAClient/wfica: error while loading shared libraries: libXaw.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:58] <isam> returnthis: did you login in it ?
[10:58] <isam> returnthis: enter the root passwd ?
[10:58] <nis> isam: sounds like it should work then.
[10:59] <returnthis> tried several things, including lppasswd
[10:59] <returnthis> I can not get it to login at all
[10:59] <thoreauputic> isam: no root password in ubuntu by default - uses sudo
[10:59] <nis> isam: you'll know -- there are lots of 'ubuntu' strings in many .deb filenames in dselect.
[10:59] <isam> one last thing.. anyone here know about a graphical LVM manager ? or a way to resize a Volume Group
[10:59] <returnthis> I set the root passwd just to use that, still did not work
[10:59] <djp> any dar users here?
[10:59] <returnthis> I then tried lppasswd, still did not work
[10:59] <raetsel> fsantos did you try looking in the synaptic pkg mgr for the libXaw?
[11:00] <nis> returnthis: are you on the right port # for the cups server?
[11:00] <returnthis> yes, the web page displays, I just can't do any admin tasks
[11:00] <Goshawk> is there someone interested on usplash here?
[11:00] <Trixisity> What's the best Multimedia-player to use?
[11:00] <Trixisity> Xine? xmms?
[11:00] <Goshawk> Trixisity, for me rythmbox
[11:01] <Trixisity> kaboodle?
[11:01] <djp> Trixisity: both xine and xmms are good
[11:01] <djp> Trixisity: i just stick with the default players in ubuntu at the moment
[11:01] <raetsel> fsantos: Just tried a quick check for the libXaw ver 7 is installed, ver 6 is available but not installed
[11:01] <returnthis> I am trying to get a printer to work that will only use hpoj. ptal-print works fine
[11:01] <raetsel> assuming that is the right library
[11:01] <Trixisity> they didn't work for me djp
[11:01] <fsantos> raetsel: I know this is present in this RPM: XFree86-libs-3.3.2pl2-1.i386.rpm
[11:01] <djp> Trixisity: MPlayer is also very popular and amarok
[11:01] <Trixisity> Totem it is called
[11:01] <fsantos> Let me check...
[11:02] <returnthis> I just can't get cups to use the printer at all... nor can I find an interface that will let me specify the printer
[11:02] <Trixisity> I just don't know how to install those plugins
[11:02] <Trixisity> for wmv, avi, asf and stuff
[11:02] <djp> Trixisity: totem works fine for me for watching dvd's and playing back avi, mov files etc...
[11:02] <returnthis> does anyone know what a cups uri is?
[11:02] <nis> returnthis: I haven't run cups on anything but gentoo in a while; seems to me there's a step to allow a user to admin (I do know I login/password as unprivileged user).  Maybe add that user to some /etc/group?
[11:02] <Trixisity> but can you see those life streams?
[11:03] <Trixisity> they're .asx
[11:03] <Trixisity> from sites
[11:03] <raetsel> Hmmm fsantos sounds like could be a library path thing then, though can you find the files other than in the rpm? check LD_LIBRARY_PATH maybe?
[11:03] <Trixisity> it's a ms format
[11:03] <returnthis> nis: I even went so far as loggin in as root
[11:03] <djp> Trixisity: links?
[11:04] <returnthis> nis: it looks like ubuntu has handicapped cups for security reasons.... with no docs on how to unhandicap it
[11:04] <Bauhn> thoreauputic, Now i've got it working :D Thanks for the help
[11:04] <fsantos> raetsel: how do I check if a certain lib is installed?
[11:04] <brrrt>  hello, i need help getting my dxr3 card to run, could anyone help please?
[11:04] <Trixisity> djp: http://interactive.creflodollarministries.org/broadcasts/wcm80w_v.asx
[11:04] <returnthis> my current theory: if I can figure out what a cups uri is, I should be able to get it to work
[11:04] <Trixisity> can you watch this?
[11:05] <djp> Trixisity: according to my plugins i should be able to, however proof is in the testing and all that ...
[11:05] <nis> returnthis: have you been able to use cups on other platforms okay?
[11:05] <returnthis> nis: this is the first time I have used a printer in 15yrs of computers
[11:05] <djp> Trixisity: giving it a try...
[11:05] <returnthis> its proving to be quite challenging
[11:06] <fsantos> ok
[11:06] <returnthis> setting up a build farm was easier (and more thoroughly documented)
[11:06] <SysFail> printers suck
[11:06] <nis> fsantos: I usually list /var/lib/dpkg/info to figure out if something is installed or not.  Dunno if ubuntu places them there; if it's debian-based it should.
[11:06] <fsantos> raetsel: I have run a find and got libXaw.so.7
[11:06] <raetsel> as soon as a computer system has to talk to paper you are asking for trouble :o)
[11:07] <raetsel> fsanstos: do you have the synaptic GUI package mgr?
[11:07] <djp> Trixisity: totem opens up but it then informs me that the plugin is not supported
[11:07] <thoreauputic> Bauhn: ah - good - sorry I was looking at work on another desktop
[11:07] <nis> returnthis: haha (15 yrs remark).  Know the feeling.  cups never worked for me .. then one day it did.
[11:08] <spiral> hmmm, any new about openoffice2 testing packages upgrades ?
[11:08] <nis> returnthis: I thought ubuntu was supposed to 'just work' hehe.
[11:09] <Bauhn> thoreauputic, np ;P now when i have the music i'll try with some IM :P
[11:09] <thoreauputic> nis: it did for me (tm)
[11:09] <nis> How do I silence all the join/leave messages in bitchx?  I rarely IRC.
[11:09] <elshadii> I'm trying to find a mail notification pannel applet for gnome anyone have an opinion?
[11:09] <djp> Bauhn: did you get your mp3's to play?
[11:09] <DoppelGanger> ha ha bitchx
[11:09] <thoreauputic> nis: get a decent client ? (joke)
[11:10] <Bauhn> djp, yes :D
[11:10] <airox> Can I install ndiswrapper modules when I run the livecd ?
[11:10] <fsantos> raetsel: yes. I'm looking at it but can't find which package contains that lib... The RPM I mentioned eralier was found using google but I do not want to install it as I may break something.
[11:10] <Bauhn> djp, do you know a good instant messenger which works with msn?
[11:10] <thoreauputic> nis: seriously, if you like cli clients, try irssi
[11:10] <airox> Cause it doesn't seem to have the ndiswrapper modules ...
[11:10] <djp> Bauhn: :) good!
[11:10] <thoreauputic> Bauhn: gaim
[11:10] <raetsel> fsantos: in the synaptic mgr just click search and enter libaw6
[11:10] <thoreauputic> Bauhn: installed by default
[11:11] <nis> thoreauputic: I generally use silc
[11:11] <djp> Bauhn: i don't to be honest. only really use IRC. Gaim is popular but i don't know if it supports msn or not?
[11:11] <raetsel> it has the lovely ubuntu family circle by it in on my system fsantos so it part of the main ( I think )
[11:11] <spiral> djp: I think so
[11:11] <thoreauputic> nis: ah, OK - I don't know that one
[11:11] <elshadii> Bauhn, gaim suppots msn
[11:11] <Bauhn> thoreauputic, yes. i thought of gaim to.. but when i looked at their homepage i couldn't find any version for ubuntu or debian or something that i know is working with ubuntu.. which should i take
[11:11] <Bauhn> ?
[11:12] <spiral> Bauhn: apt-get install gaim
[11:12] <djp> Bauhn: gaim should be installed by default
[11:12] <ve3ixi> same something brilliant...up and running for an hour with ubuntu warty
[11:12] <raetsel>  yes gaim supports MSN but aMSN is a nicer interface
[11:12] <thoreauputic> Bauhn: ubuntu *comes* with gaim
[11:12] <Bauhn> does it? :O
[11:12] <Bauhn> hahahaha
[11:12] <Bauhn> i didn't know that ;P
[11:12] <nis> thoreauputic: silc (www.silcnet.org?) is irssi-based but has added stuph
[11:12] <spiral> raetsel: hmmm... I find it quite ugly, I mean aMSN...
[11:12] <thoreauputic> applications > internet > gaim
[11:12] <usual> calc: you around?
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> bitlbee
[11:13] <ve3ixi> ok guys yahoo messenger work with ubuntu
[11:13] <calc> usual: yes
[11:13] <HrdwrBoB> is also msn
[11:13] <thoreauputic> nis: I see - thanks for the link :)
[11:13] <ve3ixi> ???
[11:13] <SysFail> bitlbee is cool
[11:13] <SysFail> is that in synaptic?
[11:13] <raetsel> Well it's as ugly as the windoze version I guess, Spiral :o)
[11:13] <usual> calc: you use kde (i think) do you know if konq can do ftp and ssh like nautilus can?
[11:13] <ve3ixi> and which download at the yahoo site?
[11:13] <thoreauputic> sysyes
[11:13] <calc> usual: konq can do anything
[11:13] <djp> Trixisity: mplayer seems to be the answer to many peoples problems with the file type you want to use
[11:13] <fsantos> raetsel: Dude... You just made my day! Thank you for showing me the obvious... ;-) I was trying to browse for it and couldn't find it anywhere. Search worked just fine! Excellent!
[11:13] <calc> usual: much more than what nautilus can
[11:13] <thoreauputic> hehe SysFail : yes
[11:14] <usual> calc: ok, I tried putting ssh://site:port and it opens a term
[11:14] <raetsel> Aww fsantos that gives me a warm fuzzy feeling :o)
[11:14] <calc> usual: try fish://
[11:14] <calc> usual: the kinfocenter (iirc) has a list of all the kioslaves
[11:14] <spiral> usual: sftp:/
[11:14] <raetsel> beginners luck mind you, I only installed Ubuntu yesterday
[11:14] <usual> k
[11:14] <usual> ty
[11:14] <spiral> calc: better than fish, isn't it ?
[11:15] <raetsel> so anyone know how to unsubscribe an account on the ubuntu website?
[11:15] <calc> spiral: i think so, i don't remember what the difference is
[11:15] <djp> any dar users online yet? :D
[11:15] <raetsel> It's looking seriously like a Hotel California situation
[11:15] <calc> i think fish is like scp and sftp is sftp...
[11:15] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, anythign yet?
[11:16] <thoreauputic> raetsel: does it matter if you have two accounts?
[11:16] <raetsel> well I guess not, thoreauputic but I just wanted to be economical
[11:16] <thoreauputic> calc: fish uses some kind of clever perl script IIRC
[11:16] <raetsel> just think of the extra bytes my settings take up on the ubuntu servers
[11:17] <spiral> calc: I thought fish was kind of a "hack"... using ssh, cat, ls & co to transfer files... & sftp used a "new" function provided by the ssh servers
[11:17] <raetsel> not going well then, returnthis?
[11:17] <calc> spiral: ah maybe it is, i haven't used it much
[11:17] <thoreauputic> raetsel: band width hog! *grin*
[11:17] <Anubis> Nvidia installer won't work with 2.10.5 kernel
[11:17] <returnthis> ok... why the hell would the default print manager be something so inebriated as gnome-cups-manager??
[11:17] <Anubis> only <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:17] <Anubis> anyone experience similar
[11:17] <Anubis> I have the linux-headers
[11:18] <raetsel> On Mandrake I had a WEB browser based cups install that worked well. Any chance you can get that for ubuntu?
[11:18] <thoreauputic> returnthis: have you read Eric Raymond's rant about cups?
[11:18] <Anubis> raetsel, webmin
[11:18] <thoreauputic> returnthis: cups has a ways to go....
[11:18] <returnthis> that is what all docs say to use... and ubuntu decided to disable it
[11:18] <returnthis> yeah read that
[11:18] <raetsel> lol@thoreauputic, plus it impinges my human rights , right to pribacy
[11:19] <raetsel> no separate from webmin, Anubis
[11:19] <raetsel> -b+v
[11:19] <nis> I like CUPS but I'd hate to have to understand or support it. ;)
[11:19] <SysFail> great nick anubis
[11:19] <returnthis> so I have been trying to figure out how re-enable cups web interface
[11:19] <SysFail> Anubis
[11:19] <SysFail> heh
[11:19] <Anubis> thx
[11:19] <SysFail> you a stargate fan?
[11:20] <thoreauputic> raetsel: yeah, all those check boxes on the ubuntu site asking if you want to be sent the latest product information and magazines... really intrusive ;-)
[11:20] <returnthis> how much is paid support for ubuntu?
[11:20] <MMond> depends
[11:20] <odie5533> how do I start the sound server?
[11:20] <Anubis> any k7 uesrs here with nvidia?
[11:20] <raetsel> try this link, return this http://faq.jdshelp.org/faq/cache/166.html
[11:20] <djp> Anubis: yes
[11:20] <Anubis> who also oused the nvidia installer?
[11:21] <thoreauputic> returnthis: a question for Canonical :)
[11:21] <Anubis> djp, latest nvidia driver?
[11:21] <raetsel> now it is just plain irritating thoreauputic. Their joining email ought to say - if you wish to unsubscribe click here
[11:22] <djp> Anubis: no. i used the nvidia-glx driver in the universe repo
[11:22] <Trixisity> Why can't my pc find the apt-get packages?
[11:22] <thoreauputic> raetsel: agreed
[11:22] <Anubis> uh
[11:22] <Anubis> why are people still using the old nvidia driver?
[11:22] <returnthis> raetsel: I think that might be it
[11:22] <Anubis> that driver blows for my card
[11:22] <Trixisity> when I type apt-get totem-xine
[11:22] <Trixisity> he can't find it
[11:23] <raetsel> *raetsel is two for two (maybe)*
[11:23] <djp> Anubis: that driver works fine for me. i only have an old geforce2 mx card though
[11:23] <nis> djp: running an iMac?
[11:23] <Anubis> djp, I have a Geforce4 MMX 440 and I gained 200fps!
[11:23] <djp> Trixisity: have you setup your repos?
[11:23] <Trixisity> I'm new to ubuntu
[11:24] <Trixisity> I don't know what repos is
[11:24] <raetsel> I can't even find the appropriate place to post a question about unsubscribing. Is ubuntu part of the Illuminati? :o)
[11:24] <conner> Anubis: what kernel are you running? I have that card.
[11:24] <returnthis> hrmmm not it
[11:24] <raetsel> awww, sorry returnthis, (hits the post)
[11:24] <Anubis> conner, Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-3-k7 #1 Tue Feb 15 20:45:29 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:24] <returnthis> there are big red letters saying the web ui has been disabled
[11:25] <returnthis> with instructions specific to ubuntu
[11:25] <conner> Anubis: Thanks. I'm running the 2.6.10-5-686 kernel and it doesn't work on mine.
[11:25] <Anubis> conner, try that kernel and the nvidia installer and see if it works?
[11:25] <thoreauputic> Trixisity: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[11:25] <nis> So where do I get a list of ubuntu mirrors?
[11:26] <returnthis> ok spent too much time on this....
[11:26] <returnthis> thnx for the help
[11:26] <nis> returnthis: good luck.
[11:26] <Trixisity> thanks
[11:26] <conner> Anubis: Can't run that kernel. I have a P4.
[11:26] <Anubis> conner, the P4 version of that kernel version then?
[11:27] <returnthis> oh cool... no support for universe ... where I had to get the print driver from
[11:27] <returnthis> *sigh*
[11:27] <conner> Anubis: I'll try back-rev'ing to that version and see if it is a recent problem. It was running fine when I was on the earlier 386 kernel.
[11:27] <nis> returnthis: Aw, c'mon. Enjoy the hack.
[11:28] <odie5533> How do I set the flash screen in gnome?
[11:28] <djp> nis: no
[11:28] <raetsel> returnthis this link suggests you are on a hiding to nothing for cups webmin http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2126.html
[11:28] <geneo93> is the iso torrent any newer than just the iso's
[11:28] <raetsel> I take it the gnome interface won't do what you want, returnthis?
[11:28] <tullyan> hi
[11:28] <tullyan> i am new here
[11:28] <raetsel> hi tullyan, so am I
[11:28] <djp> Anubis: well done! i don't use the pc for gaming to be honest though...
[11:29] <tullyan> i have a little problem with my ubuntu
[11:29] <thoreauputic> hmm, the screenshot has disappeared from  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto  for some reason...
[11:29] <tullyan> hi raetsel
[11:29] <nis> Every set of controls on the computer should have an 'AND I MEAN IT' button or modifier.
[11:29] <tullyan> can anyone help me!
[11:29] <tullyan> ?
[11:29] <tullyan> please!
[11:29] <wastrel> hi!
[11:29] <tullyan> hi!
[11:29] <jujusix> there are french people?
[11:30] <raetsel> what's the problem tullyan?
[11:30] <wastrel> i see french people
[11:30] <returnthis> raetsel: no it doesn't... and whenever I get close gnome-cups crashes
[11:30] <thoreauputic> tullyan: hard to say since you haven't asked anything else...
[11:30] <tullyan> i have a problem with my user
[11:30] <tullyan> when i start my computer
[11:30] <thoreauputic> tullyan: be concise and informative, please
[11:30] <tullyan> and ubuntu is starting to ling screen
[11:30] <returnthis> will save this for another day, thnx
[11:30] <tullyan> the sound is al right
[11:31] <tullyan> but after login of only one special user
[11:31] <raetsel> tullyan is really building the tension :o)
[11:31] <tullyan> the sound won work anymore
[11:31] <odie5533> Is there a way to set the splash scren startup on gnome?
[11:31] <thoreauputic> tullyan:  is that user in the audio group?
[11:31] <tullyan> audio grou?
[11:31] <tullyan> p?
[11:31] <raetsel> is that if you login directly as that user tullyan or of you switch to that user after logging in as another?
[11:32] <tullyan> direct login
[11:32] <tullyan> the sound worked until yesterday
[11:32] <thoreauputic> tullyan: to use sound, the user must be in the audio group
[11:32] <raetsel> ah I found I can't switch to another user ang get the sound to worl
[11:32] <raetsel> -l+k
[11:32] <phw> thoreauputic: he is using the std ubuntu user
[11:32] <phw> so he should be
[11:32] <tullyan> yes
[11:32] <thoreauputic> tullyan: type ` groups ` in  terminal to see the groups the user belongs to
[11:33] <thoreauputic> phw: are you sure ?
[11:33] <phw> well you always can try
[11:33] <tullyan> ok wait
[11:33] <tullyan> tullyan@ubuntu:~ $ groups
[11:33] <tullyan> tullyan
[11:33] <tullyan> tullyan@ubuntu:~ $
[11:33] <phw> oh
[11:33] <raetsel> ah
[11:33] <thoreauputic> oops
[11:33] <nis> thoreauputic: ha!  never seen the 'groups' command before!  cool.
[11:33] <phw> tullyan: have you deleted your user and added it?
[11:34] <maxchee> how to uninstall ubuntu-desktop?
[11:34] <tullyan> maybe
[11:34] <tullyan> i think so
[11:34] <tullyan> why?
[11:34] <thoreauputic> tullyan: you will have to add yourself to all default groups
[11:34] <tullyan> oh
[11:34] <tullyan> aha
[11:34] <nis> maxchee: that target has a *lot* of dependencies.
[11:34] <djp> anyone using dar to auto backup?
[11:35] <conner> tullyan: Here's what shows on mine. conner adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner
[11:35] <phw> tullyan then "usermod tullyan -G audio"
[11:35] <Anubis> djp, it worked?
[11:35] <tullyan> ok i will try that
[11:35] <tullyan> wait shortly
[11:36] <raetsel> or you could use the user tool under Computer->System Configuration
[11:36] <djp> Anubis: i am having problems getting the cron job to work...
[11:36] <thoreauputic> tullyan: to take effect, adding a user to a group requires logout/login
[11:36] <djp> Anubis: managed to make a full backup from command line
[11:36] <Anubis> djp, I meant the kernel and nvidia?
[11:36] <nis> Well it's back to the great download of all the .debs for ubuntu.  Best regards, all. -nis
[11:36] <raetsel> phw doesn't usermod -G change it to be just that one group rather than adding that group to the list of allowable groups?
[11:37] <ephemeral> can anyone explain why [http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/hoary-preview-install-amd64.iso]   didnt come with GNOME>?
[11:37] <raetsel> on hpux you have have to use usermod -G g1,g2,g4 etc
[11:37] <thoreauputic> he should use  sudo adduser "user" "group"
[11:37] <djp> Anubis: sorry! no i haven't tried it. happy with my setup in that department for now. dar is my problem at the moment! ;)
[11:37] <phw> raetsel no -g does do that
[11:37] <thoreauputic> but there's a GUI for it in system administration
[11:37] <phw> -G are secondary groups
[11:37] <dashnu> sudo vi /etc/group ;)
[11:37] <dashnu> -G is for multiple groups
[11:37] <nis> raetsel: -G is correct as you state it.
[11:37] <thoreauputic> dashnu: that's another way
[11:37] <thoreauputic> yes
[11:38] <odie5533> Is there any good ftp software for ubuntu?
[11:38] <thoreauputic> adduser is quick for one user/froup
[11:38] <raetsel> use the pointy-clicky tool tallyan
[11:38] <wastrel> ftp server or client?
[11:38] <raetsel> The man for usermod says :" If the user
[11:38] <odie5533> client
[11:38] <raetsel>               is currently a member of a group which is not listed,  the  user
[11:38] <raetsel>               will be removed from the group
[11:38] <raetsel> "
[11:38] <wastrel> client:  commandline ncftp gui gftp
[11:38] <plagerism> whats the piece of software that catches keystrokes and tells you what the were??
[11:38] <dashnu> ncftp has my vote
[11:38] <tullyan> hi guys
[11:39] <raetsel> there is a certain irony in your name and your request plagerism :o)
[11:39] <thoreauputic> plagerism: a keylogger?
[11:39] <dashnu> installing ubuntu for my dad :D
[11:39] <jk> plagerism:  xev
[11:39] <tullyan> i added my usr
[11:39] <tullyan> to the named groups
[11:39] <raetsel> did it work tullyan?
[11:39] <nis> plagerism: 'script'
[11:39] <tullyan> no, i am afraid
[11:39] <HillTop> DarthFrog, calc, I tried The Famous Fork Bomb in Kubuntu Hoary livecd on a 200MH and it locked up in less than a second. Mouse, stuck, top in console stopped. ctrl-alt-backspace -- nothing.  :(
[11:39] <djp> thoreauputic: u don't happen to have any idea about cron jobs do you? :)
[11:39] <tullyan> when i start real player
[11:39] <tullyan> it tells me;
[11:39] <thoreauputic> tullyan: did ou log out and in again?
[11:39] <plagerism> jk thank you
[11:39] <plagerism> thats the one
[11:39] <tullyan> that the audio device cannot be startet
[11:39] <tullyan> my mixer says
[11:39] <ephemeral> can anyone explain why [http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/hoary-preview-install-amd64.iso]   didnt come with GNOME>?
[11:40] <tullyan> no mixer support of device
[11:40] <nis> raetsel: ha (irony remark)
[11:40] <thoreauputic> djp: no, not really - the syntax is kind of arcane
[11:40] <raetsel> what does "groups" show you now  tullyan?
[11:40] <tullyan> anyone have an idea?
[11:40] <djp> thoreauputic: oh well, worth a shot... ;)
[11:40] <thoreauputic> djp: I  haven't had a need for it (smal home network)
[11:40] <tullyan> hm...
[11:40] <tullyan> still nothing
[11:40] <tullyan> strange
[11:40] <tullyan> ...
[11:41] <raetsel> tullyan try a groups command for a user that does work and a groups command for one that does not
[11:41] <dashnu> raetsel, what groups you are currently in
[11:41] <nis> djp: what? u want to know how to instantiate a std cron job?
[11:41] <thoreauputic> djp: KDE has a poit 'n click tool for it - dunno about gnome
[11:41] <phw> tullyan what does "groups" return?
[11:41] <_linux_newb_away> CPU[Pentium II (Klamath) clocked at 300.094 Mhz]   Kernel[Linux 2.6.8-2-686 i686]   Up[-7:00-]   Mem[-172.324/187.48MB-]   HDD[-15GB(16%used)-]   Procs[-52-]   Client[X-Chat 2.4.1]
[11:41] <djp> thoreauputic: trying to automate a backup here iz all
[11:41] <raetsel> simon adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner
[11:41] <tullyan> tullyan@ubuntu:~ $ groups andreas
[11:41] <tullyan> andreas : andreas dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner
[11:41] <tullyan> tullyan@ubuntu:~ $ groups tullyan
[11:41] <tullyan> tullyan : tullyan
[11:41] <tullyan> tullyan@ubuntu:~ $
[11:41] <tullyan> tullyan does not work
[11:42] <raetsel> tullyan I would try the graphical tull under Computer-System Configuration->User & Groups
[11:42] <phw> tullyan is you user you use called "andreas" ?
[11:42] <thoreauputic> tullyan: "tullyan" is the one that needs to be added
[11:42] <tullyan> the user that works is andreas
[11:42] <phw> or tullyan?
[11:42] <tullyan> the user that does not
[11:42] <tullyan> is tullyan
[11:43] <phw> well then you have to add the user tullyan to the other groups
[11:43] <phw> so its just
[11:43] <tullyan> i already tried with that tool
[11:43] <phw> usermod tullyan -G tullyan dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner
[11:43] <[FiDO] > can anyone suggest a good p2p program other then bittorrent to use for linux
[11:43] <raetsel> oh and what does it do tullyan?
[11:43] <nis> djp:  export VISUAL=vim && crontab -e
[11:43] <linuxnoob> hey, has anyone been able to install eutils??
[11:44] <_linux_newb_> hello linuxnoob
[11:44] <linuxn00b> Hi :)
[11:44] <djp> nis: what does that do?
[11:44] <raetsel> you might need commas to separate them not white space , phw
[11:44] <tullyan> tullyan@ubuntu:~ $ usermod tullyan -G tullyan dialout cdrom floppy audio
[11:44] <tullyan> usermod: Benutzer audio nicht vorhanden
[11:44] <phw> oh yes sure
[11:44] <phw> sorry
[11:44] <nis> djp: puts you into the vim editor editing your crontab.
[11:44] <vafnord> I just changed out an nvidia graphics card for an oldish ATI card.  Can someone help me with my XF86Config?
[11:44] <raetsel> use , instead of whitespace
[11:44] <phw> tullyan you have to use colons instead of spaces
[11:44] <raetsel> commas
[11:44] <phw>  usermod tullyan -G tullyan,dialout,cdrom,floppy,audio
[11:45] <raetsel> that's the boy
[11:45] <nis> djp: at least in debian it does, and in every (just about) Linux I've used (many).
[11:45] <thoreauputic> tullyan: wrong syntax
[11:45] <thoreauputic> -G in wrong place
[11:45] <dashnu> usermod -G adm,dialout,cdrom,floppy,audio,dip,src,video,plugdev,lpadmin,scanner tullyan
[11:45] <djp> nis: sorry, i have edited my crontab. my problem is this ...No terminal found for user interaction. All questions will abort the program. Reading config file: /root/.darrc
[11:45] <raetsel> hehe it's an international usermod competition
[11:45] <DarthFrog> W00t!  I just installed Wine and now have DVD Shrink working in linux. :-)
[11:46] <dashnu> :D i came in late on the conv.. i shall butt out
[11:46] <vafnord> What's DVD Shrink?
[11:46] <raetsel> and the prize goes to dashnu
[11:46] <raetsel> you got it I think dashnu
[11:46] <dashnu> heh
[11:46] <nis> djp: Sounds like you have to redirect input for the job you're calling.  I've never done that; I generally craft a shell script and direct output to /dev/null.
[11:46] <tullyan> hm
[11:47] <DarthFrog> vafnord: It's a freeware Windows program that decrypts commercial DVDs and shrinks them to DVR-R size for burning.
[11:47] <nis> djp: e.g.   sh ./myscript < commands.txt    <-- redirects input from a file called commands.txt
[11:47] <linuxn00b> so has anyone been able to install eutils, because I can't install it even after a fresh install
[11:47] <djp> nis: can i point you to the script in question?
[11:48] <nis> djp: not yet.  I haven't installed ubuntu.  I'm running debian woody on powerpc.
[11:49] <nis> djp: but you can mail it to me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you like.  I'll take a look at it.
[11:49] <thoreauputic> nis: ppc ubuntu rocks! :D
[11:49] <djp> nis: http://gradha.sdf-eu.org/textos/dar-differential-backup-mini-howto.en.html#setting-up-some-scripts-to-automate-the-process
[11:49] <nis> thoreauputic: does it?  I'm praying it fixes a few things that are bugging me.  <-- iMac G4 w/flat panel here.
[11:49] <raetsel> tullyan has gone very quiet
[11:49] <djp> nis: sorry, it is actually available to see in html
[11:49] <nis> djp: rgr.
[11:49] <thoreauputic> nis: I have warty on my iBook G4 1.2 Ghz
[11:49] <vafnord> oooh
[11:50] <vafnord> I just changed out an nvidia graphics card for an oldish ATI card.  Can someone help me with my XF86Config?
[11:50] <djp> nis: that is basically what i am using. as i say though, when i run it, said problem is reported in my mbox
[11:51] <raetsel> aufweidersehen, tullyan
[11:51] <thoreauputic> nis: the only real problem is unsupported Airport Extreme
[11:51] <nis> djp: do u know that the trailing \ chars must be the very last chars on that line?
[11:52] <djp> nis: let me check that...
[11:52] <nis> thoreauputic: I just want APM to work, and a way to dim the LCD backlight to nothing. ;)
[11:52] <nis> I'm burning an expensive iMac by running it full-on, 24/7.
[11:53] <maxchee> does anyone know how to uninstall ubuntu-desktop package completely along with all dependancies?
[11:53] <thoreauputic> nis: brightness control works well on the iBook ( goes to blackness if desired) The keys for it work fine
[11:53] <nis> thoreauputic: wow.
[11:53] <thoreauputic> nis: I also got mac-on-linux running on it
[11:53] <raetsel> well when I was playing around with firefox upgrade maxchee I seemed to uninstall it using synaptic mgr
[11:54] <conner> maxchee: check out debfoster. apt-get install debfoster (but you might need universe)
[11:54] <thoreauputic> the sound keys and all work , too
[11:54] <nis> thoreauputic: been running M-O-L for 2 yrs.  Sound started working better about 9 months ago.
[11:54] <nis> harrenschmitt (sp) is gh0d
[11:54] <djp> nis: my scripts are identical in layout to those at the link given, with just some changes to obvious locations and devices
[11:54] <DarthFrog> maxchee: Use Synaptic.
[11:55] <nis> djp: what's the error again? It wants some kind of interactive input right?
[11:55] <thoreauputic> nis: I enjoy the irony of running windows media player occasionally, on OS-X, on linux ( call me peculiar, but it amuses me to see it in that context)
[11:56] <djp> nis: yes. error is No terminal found for user interaction. All questions will abort the program. Reading config file: /root/.darrc
[11:57] <nis> djp: I'd definitely break that script down to components and debug it interactively until it works flawlessly before attempting to make it run under cron.
[11:58] <nis> thoreauputic: I stopped running M-O-L after the Apple great security flaw of last spring.
[11:58] <djp> nis: sure. i think i should give that a go. like you say, get it working then think about attempting to automate it. thanks for looking though.
[11:58] <thoreauputic> nis: I don't know about that - recent mac owner - what was the flaw?
[11:58] <raetsel> djp, using "at now" might be a quicker way to debug it for when it runs without a terminal
[11:58] <nis> djp: sure.  It says something about /system/ in italics.  Is that the user running the cron job?
[11:59] <nis> thoreauputic: well the short version is that you had to d/l like a 65 meg 'patch' from Apple.  I think it was a flaw in Panther. Allowed arbitrary exec. through any web browser.