[02:39] <canthus13> paultag: Odd stuff.. gnome-session-daemon gave me a volume control once. Now all I get from it is the battery icon. :/
[02:44] <canthus13> paultag: found it. gnome-sound-applet.
[02:55] <canthus13> now I just need to get the multimedia keys working without gnome-session-daemon.
[06:31] <gilbert> hey guys, just so you know i put together and submitted our re-approval application
[06:32] <gilbert> <cross fingers>
[06:43] <Cheri703> saw that, thanks! I was going to tackle it tomorrow
[20:20]  * skellat farts
[20:25] <Unit193> Been doing that a bit more lately, I'll blame the weather change.
[20:41] <canthus13> Unit193: ..I thought it was my amazing beef stew.
[20:56] <skellat> So, are we going to have a release party for Quantal Quetzal anywheres?
[21:10]  * skellat runs off to dinner
[21:20] <drkokandy> party?


[00:58] <nixternal> Nightrose: so what happened with your e.V. stuff? did you get it?
[00:58] <Nightrose> nixternal: I got told I am in ;-)
[00:58] <Jucato> yay!! partey time!!!
[00:58] <nixternal> congrats!
[00:58] <Nightrose> however I did not yet get approved for the mailinglist
[00:58] <Nightrose> :)
[00:58] <Nightrose> thanks
[00:59] <Nightrose> \o/
[00:59] <Jucato> nixternal: you're an e.T. too right?
[00:59] <Nightrose> haha
[00:59] <nixternal> extra terrestrial, yes
[00:59] <Jucato> er.. e.V... freudian slip...
[00:59]  * Jucato has a lot of those today
[00:59]  * Nightrose hugs Jucato
[01:00] <Jucato> thanks :)
[01:00] <Nightrose> made me laugh out loud
[01:00] <Nightrose> ;-)
[01:00] <nixternal> nobody from the e.V. has recommended me yet
[01:00] <Nightrose> perfect
[01:00] <nixternal> hehe
[01:00] <nixternal> I did too
[01:00] <Jucato> nixternal: want me to pull some strings? :)
[01:00] <nixternal> I thought Jucato was serious though with the e.T. though
[01:00] <nixternal> Jucato: nah, when the time comes..I am patient
[01:00] <Jucato> hahah no. that's already presumed as fact anyway
[01:01] <nixternal> I may not even be worthy enough yet...I really don't do much like the people in the e.V. do
[01:01] <Nightrose> nixternal: write your application and once I am really in I will give you my thumbs up after Riddell recommended you ;-)
[01:01] <Jucato> nixternal: I need you to be there so that you can recommend me when my time comes :P
[01:01] <Nightrose> just wait until I am subscribed ;-)
[01:01] <nixternal> I think you need to do more than just love KDE :)
[01:01] <Jucato> did you really think I was sincerely just going to pull strings for charity? :P
[01:01] <Nightrose> *lol*
[01:01] <nixternal> whoa, when people post pictures on twitter, bitlbee doesn't like it
[01:01] <nixternal> hahahaha
[01:02] <Jucato> nixternal: j/k of course :)
[01:03] <nixternal> Nightrose: do you use kpresenter or ooimpress for your presentations?
[01:04] <Jucato> oooooo...impressed :)
[01:04] <Nightrose> booth
[01:04] <Nightrose> it depends on the template I get ;-)
[01:04] <Nightrose> also I am in love with okular for presentations since a few days
[01:04] <nixternal> for some reason, the oxygen templates looked weird in my kpresenter and ooimpress
[01:04] <Nightrose> it is totally awesome
[01:05] <Nightrose> hmm strange
[01:05] <nixternal> I use the latex-beamer template...it seems much easer just to do it in latex for me
[01:05] <Nightrose> hehe yea I thought about that as well
[01:05] <Nightrose> but it was too much of a hassle back then
[01:06] <Nightrose> I like latex but sometimes it gives me a headache
[01:06] <nixternal> hehe, I have tweaked the theme to be a little nicer
[01:06] <nixternal> I wasn't a fan of the ToC pages
[01:06] <Nightrose> otoh the stuff you can do with it rocks
[01:07] <Nightrose> latex made writing my papers for university a lot easier
[01:08] <nixternal> no doubt
[01:15] <Riddell> nixternal: could you do your wiki attachment magic with http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-upgrade.png on image 7) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[01:16]  * Riddell snoozes
[01:16] <Jucato> sweet dreams Riddell
[01:25] <nixternal> ok, need some word magic here
[01:25] <nixternal> I have subsections that are *ability...my first subsection I stole from some other KDE developer and called it Beauty
[01:26] <nixternal> but I want to use *ability instead
[01:26] <nixternal> so, if I can't find something that ends in ability that refers to looks, I will throw in some comedy and pull a word from my George W. Bush dictionary
[01:26] <nixternal> ala...
[01:26] <nixternal> Beautabilty :p
[01:27] <Jucato> Faceability?
[01:27] <nixternal> http://www.morewords.com/ends-with/ability/
[01:27] <nixternal> gotta be something there :)
[01:28] <Jucato> lol
[01:28]  * Nightrose starts at M ;-)
[01:29] <Nightrose> marriageability ;-)
[01:29] <Nightrose> marry me KDE 4
[01:29] <Nightrose> !
[01:30] <nixternal> hahaha
[01:30] <nixternal> actually, it will be fine with just Beauty cuz I have another subsection that doesn't match the scheme..so I may come up with a new scheme then
[01:31] <nixternal> Beauty -> Usability -> Portability -> Functionality -> and end with Notability (ie. top apps)
[01:31] <Nightrose> sounds good
[01:32] <nixternal> Beauty covers Plasma and Oxygen, usability strengthens the points in Beauty but makes it even better
[01:32] <nixternal> just goes to show we made it beautiful, yet usable for everyone
[01:32] <nixternal> that's why KDE rocks!
[01:56] <jjesse> i know hardy releases in april, but any idea on what day?
[01:57] <Jucato> #ubuntu+1 please
[01:57] <Jucato> hehe sorry couldn't help it :P
[01:58] <neversfelde> 24.04.2008
[01:59]  * jjesse beats down Jucato
[01:59] <Jucato> :D
[01:59] <Jucato> good evening jjesse! :)
[01:59] <jjesse> morning Jucato
[02:04] <Nightrose> bedtime for the rose :) /me snoozes
[02:05] <Jucato> sweet dreams Nightrose
[02:06] <jjesse> night Nightrose
[02:07] <jjesse> my replacement hard drive is in from dell... looks like tomorrow will be spent reloading my laptop again
[02:09] <jjesse> hrm wonder what i should i work on today :)
[04:46] <yao_ziyuan> i want to make sure at least one bug will be fixed:
[04:46] <yao_ziyuan> if i freshly install kubuntu and choose Simplified Chinese at the very first page of the Installation Wizard,
[04:47] <yao_ziyuan> after installation, the login screen has some chinese characters displayed as dots
[04:47] <yao_ziyuan> which means the font can't support those chars
[04:47] <yao_ziyuan> i don't know if the Traditional Chinese version also has this bug
[04:47] <yao_ziyuan> it seems the default chinese fonts are supplied by a taiwan company,
[04:48] <yao_ziyuan> if the simplified chinese bug is intentionally done by that company...
[04:48] <yao_ziyuan> come on.
[04:51] <yao_ziyuan> i would like to provide a screenshot
[04:51]  * yao_ziyuan goes download kubuntu 7.10 iso
[04:52] <yao_ziyuan> or maybe downloading 8.04 beta is more relevant
[04:55] <yao_ziyuan> someone in #ubuntu-cn says 8.04 solved this bug
[05:00] <yuriy> looking at bug 208742
[05:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208742 in kdebase "Addressline is overwritten when dropping URL" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208742
[05:00] <yuriy> is it just me or does that patch not do anything? as in, not change any code?
[05:48] <genii> Heh, I'm getting the Q in #kubuntu "anyone know how to disable the new pink theme on kde4?" to which I'm not sure since I didn't login to my 4 yet to investigate. any fast answer?
[05:50] <nareshov> he must be kidding
[05:50] <genii> Nope
[05:51] <genii> Is it supposed to revert after next update or so?
[05:51] <yuriy> should already have reverted with updates
[05:53] <nareshov> i missed it »_»
[06:22] <nixternal> oi, anyone feel like doing a quick review of my presentation? if so... http://www.nixternal.com/~rj/flourish2008.pdf
[06:22] <nixternal> I still have to beautify it of course, just got most of the stuff layed out
[06:25] <Jucato> beautify? or beautabilitate?
[06:25] <nixternal> both :)
[06:25] <Jucato> you sure you want to put a big scary picture at the beginning? :P
[06:25] <nixternal> need to shrink up some of the text
[06:25] <nixternal> I can put a bigger scarier one if needed :)
[06:26] <nixternal> I could do the muscle pose at the gym pic? don't think that is to professional though :)
[06:26] <Jucato> lol
[06:31] <Jucato> "KDE is a FREE... office application suite"?
[06:32] <nixternal> KDE consumes it all baby!
[06:33] <nixternal> I stole that from kde.org somewhere
[06:33] <Jucato> ah
[06:34]  * Jucato wonders about inserting something that mentions something like "rocking applications" to include amarok, k3b, etc (or does the first bullet cover that?)
[06:34] <nixternal> http://www.kde.org/whatiskde/
[06:34] <nixternal> I just added the FREE to hit the point on the newbs
[06:34] <Jucato> eeh :)
[06:34] <Jucato> hehe
[06:35] <nixternal> man, I totally forgot about Amarok and K3b in the 'Notability' section at the end
[06:35] <nixternal> that will all get covered
[06:35] <Jucato> aah :)
[06:35] <Jucato> you forgot amarok and k3b?!?! how could you!! :P
[06:36] <Jucato> ooooh! I just looove the screenshot pages btw :)
[06:37] <nixternal> ok, added those to the Notability section..thanks for catching those 2
[06:39] <stdin> Page 35: "ThreadWeaver: API that gives developers to take advantage of multi-core processors" <- you may want to fix that ;)
[06:40]  * nixternal looks
[06:40] <nixternal> ya, that is horrible
[06:40] <stdin> maybe insert the word "tools" after "developers"
[06:42] <Jucato> nixternal: hm.. I thought quality.kde.org was supposed to be deprecated...
[06:42] <nixternal> API that provides developers tools to take advantage of multi-core CPUs
[06:42] <nixternal> how is that?
[06:42] <nixternal> Jucato: I have no clue
[06:42] <Jucato> there was a discussion about that in the q.k.o ML
[06:43] <stdin> that reads much better
[06:44] <nixternal> Jucato: OK, I will look into it
[06:44] <nixternal> do they have a new page by chance?
[06:44] <nixternal> preferably nothing with a huge techbase URL
[06:45] <Jucato> nixternal: not really. the q.k.o site hasn't been updated in a while.
[06:45] <nixternal> I found a ton of *.kde.org and kde.org/* pages that were way outdated
[06:45] <nixternal> you know what I can't find, the email that announces that KDE 4 development is beginning
[06:45] <nixternal> I searched high and low for that one
[06:46] <Jucato> ade wanted to close this one though
[06:46] <Jucato> the team, site, and list
[06:47] <Jucato> nixternal: possibly relevant discussion about q.k.o: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-quality/2007-June/thread.html
[06:48] <nixternal> thanks for that...holy smokes, almost a year ago
[06:53] <Jucato> nixternal: just another suggestion, or maybe you can do it in the talk without putting it on the slide. about KWin. sort of mention something like having the fancy effects while still maintaining stability and usability :)
[06:54] <Jucato> Plasma doesn't really replace SK, does it?
[06:54] <Jucato> oh nvm.. I'm still unfamiliar with the whole thingy :)
[06:55] <nixternal> Jucato: yup :)
[06:55] <nixternal> umm, everyone of my video players show jsut a blue screen except for mplayer...what is the issue? any ideas?
[06:55] <Jucato> proprietary codecs? :P
[06:56] <Jucato> do all the other video players use xine?
[06:56] <nixternal> yes
[06:56] <Jucato> omg!! so that's what Nepomuk means!!
[06:56] <nixternal> hehe
[06:57]  * Jucato adds that to GNOME and kbuildsycoca weirdness
[06:59] <Jucato> nixternal: "Currently doesn't allow restricting what scripts can do" <--- what does that mean?
[07:00] <nixternal> gotta fix that, but it means you can run a rogue script and the system won't be able to detect it
[07:00] <nixternal> actually, I am going to remove that
[07:00] <nixternal> I think that was a copy/paste
[07:00] <Jucato> hehe :)
[07:00]  * Jucato hugs nixternal. great job! :)
[07:02] <nixternal> this xine thing is going to drive me nuts
[07:02] <nixternal> how am I supposed to play this video for my presentation?
[07:03] <Jucato> nixternal, nixternal, he's our man! if he can't do it, no one can!!
[07:03] <Jucato> yay nixternal!!
[07:03] <nixternal> hahaha
[07:03] <Jucato> roflmao! I just totally made myself laugh :P
[07:03] <nixternal> rah rah shishboom bah!
[07:03] <nixternal> gahahahha
[07:04] <nixternal> omg, I wonder if it is because I don't have xine-plugin installed?
[07:04] <nixternal> nope
[07:05] <Jucato> oh btw, make sure you present that in the fancy, new, shiny ISO standard document format :)
[07:05] <nixternal> bah
[07:06] <Jucato> omg! I just realized... one of my new most loved comic characters is named Richard :)
[07:07] <nixternal> uh oh
[07:09] <Jucato> nixternal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcbazH6aE2g
[07:11] <Jucato> of course his moments in the comics are better :P
[07:11] <Jucato> "Dick on a stick" :P
[07:13] <nixternal> hahahaha
[07:19] <nixternal> b00yah
[07:19] <nixternal> xshm
[07:19] <Jucato> xchm?
[07:19] <Jucato> :P
[07:22] <nixternal> bah, that don't work either
[07:22] <nixternal> the only thing that half works if mplayer, but it starts jerking around
[07:37] <hunger> When will OOo become installable again? It insists on removing kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-kde4-desktop and OOo-kde here.
[09:15] <Tonio_> hi there
[09:19] <etretyak> Tonio_: morning
[09:26] <Tonio_> etretyak: hey ;)
[09:26] <Tonio_> fdoving: will look at the kdesudo bug
[09:26] <Tonio_> fdoving: that's supposed to be fixed
[09:46]  * apachelogger declares http://lintian.debian.org/reports/tags/script-with-language-extension.html the most stupid lintian tag ever seen
[10:07] <\sh> apachelogger, add an override
[10:08] <apachelogger> \sh: nah, I want more people to be annoyed by it
[10:08] <emonkey> lol
[10:08] <apachelogger> stupid lintian
[10:08] <apachelogger> how
[10:08] <apachelogger> in the world
[10:08] <\sh> apachelogger, why? actually it's true..
[10:08] <\sh> you don't need .rb when you shebang ruby in the script at the beginning
[10:09] <apachelogger> do you even get to the point where you make scripts==.sh OR .pl
[10:09] <apachelogger> \sh: oh, it complains about that as well
[10:09] <apachelogger> just as a note
[10:09] <apachelogger> according to lintian
[10:09] <apachelogger> the amarok daap scripts
[10:10] <apachelogger> aren't suffixed with .sh OR .pl
[10:10] <apachelogger> while they are ruby and of course should be suffixed with .sh then
[10:10] <apachelogger> and they have no #! even though they have a #!
[10:10]  * apachelogger loves lintian -.-
[10:10] <apachelogger> anyway, amarok <IP_ADDRESS> uploaded to my ppa
[10:11] <\sh> apachelogger, hmm?
[10:11] <apachelogger> \sh: hmmm about what? ;-)
[10:11] <\sh> apachelogger, they have a shebang #!/usr/bin/ruby ?and linitian complains?
[10:12] <\sh> apachelogger, or lintian complains because of #!/usr/bin/env ruby ;)
[10:12] <apachelogger> might be
[10:13] <apachelogger> though the lintian tag description states that it just needs #!
[10:16] <\sh> apachelogger, na...
[10:16] <\sh> apachelogger, /usr/share/linitian/checks/scripts :)
[10:16] <\sh> I think it will need some /usr/bin/ruby...
[10:16] <\sh> because /usr/bin/env is not in the list of interpreters
[10:17] <apachelogger> so much for good documentation
[10:17]  * apachelogger thinks he never ever used /usr/bin/ruby directly
[10:17] <\sh> apachelogger, read the source...the very best source of documentation
[11:55] <Nightrose> heya
[12:12] <smarter> ScottK2: I've attached my patch to fix https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/123812 to the bug comments
[12:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123812 in kde-guidance "RFE: powermanager should handle dbus, hald restarts" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[14:31] <jjesse> morning
[14:31] <Jucato> hi jjesse
[14:32] <jjesse> evening Jucato
[14:32] <Jucato> evening indeed :)
[15:07] <Riddell> seele: UTC meeting time changed to keep local times the same incase you're wondering
[15:07] <seele> Riddell: yeah, i noticed that
[15:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just fixed the samba breaking in knetworkconf, uploading
[15:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: samba breaking in knetworkconf?
[15:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep, knetworkconf breaks samba config
[15:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: it reads smb.conf settings, but doesn't write them as an output
[15:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: mmm, why does it read smb.conf?
[15:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: that was for future versions probably
[15:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: it doesn't do anything regarding to smb settings, but that was probably planned
[15:09] <Tonio_> for example, set the network domain etc....
[15:10] <Tonio_> wins server....
[15:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just told him not to consider smb.conf and that's way better
[15:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: that broke 100 computers configuration for one of our clients :)
[15:11] <Riddell> merk
[15:11] <Tonio_> the stupid thing is that smb.conf settings are read but not written back to the config file, so everything breaks
[15:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't suppose you fancy fixing how you can't delete an entry after adding it (so you can't revert back to network-manager if you use knetworkconf)
[15:19] <CheGuevara> does anyone know which package FindKDE4Internal.cmake is in
[15:20] <Jucato> CheGuevara: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=FindKDE4Internal.cmake&mode=exactfilename&suite=hardy&arch=any
[15:22] <CheGuevara> hmm that search didn't work for me for some reason
[15:22] <CheGuevara> thx
[15:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't understand your last comment.... you mean ?
[15:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: network-manager ignores your wifi if it is configured in /etc/networks/interfaces..
[15:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I know that
[15:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: knetworkmanager will add an interface to /etc/networks/interfaces but can't remove it
[15:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: no way before network-manager 0.7
[15:25] <Riddell> sorry
[15:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: knetworkconf will add an interface to /etc/networks/interfaces but can't remove it
[15:26] <Riddell> so if you use knetworkconf you can't then go back to knetworkmanager
[15:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: what if you switch back to dhcp, it will ignore it ?
[15:26] <Riddell> without editing the /etc/networks/interfaces by hand
[15:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, I don't think so
[15:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I thought knetworkmanager was only ignoring cards with static ip.....
[15:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: I believe not
[15:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, I'll test this to confirm, give me a moment :)
[15:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: you're right.......
[15:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: that can hardly be fixed until network-manager supports ip settings I'm affraid
[15:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: it can be fixed by making knetworkconf remove what it adds to /etc/network/interfaces (as happens in gnome)
[15:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep
[15:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: card with no options and dhcp should go back to network-manager, right
[15:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll see what I can do on that point
[15:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: that one shouldn't be super hard to fix
[15:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: my girlfriend is not there toonight, I'll have time to try to fix that one :)
[15:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think we should burn webkitkde before hardy - see bug #211290
[15:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211290 in webkitkde "Konqueror with webkit plugin doesnt pass ldconfig deferred processing and does SIGSEGV" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211290
[15:51] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[15:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: alternatively, there's a proposal for kdesudo over in #ubuntu-devel
[15:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: can do can do
[15:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, what's the bug id for this kdesudo problem ?
[15:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: doesn't have one
[15:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: so what is the problem exactly ?
[15:58] <davmor2> Riddell: check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/KubuntuKDE4Desktop let me know what you think.
[15:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: afaics quoting args causes a problem in ubiquity, right ?
[16:00] <apachelogger> davmor2: it's more than likely that we remove the plasma toolbox
[16:01] <davmor2> apachelogger: well I can knock it on the head if you do :)
[16:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, because ubiquity gets started with a command within a command
[16:01] <Riddell> and kdesudo splits it up wrongly
[16:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: what about kdesu ? does it do it better ?
[16:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: kdesu does exactly the same
[16:01] <Riddell> we made kdesudo work like this to match kdesu
[16:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: I try to be compatible with both kdesu and gksu but that's sometime hard :)
[16:02] <Riddell> gksu is different
[16:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: if I do the gksu way sometime that breaks kdesu compatibiliy etc....;
[16:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know
[16:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: but /usr/bin/kdesudo could work differently from /usr/bin/kdesu
[16:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: cjwatson is right, kdesudo could be gksu compatible when starting as kdesudo
[16:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep
[16:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll se what I can do on that point
[16:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: or it could have a gksu copatibility option, like -g (--gksu), no ?
[16:04] <apachelogger> everyone please give Amarok 1.4.9 some testing for inclusion in hardy: https://edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive?field.name_filter=amarok&field.status_filter=published
[16:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: it could yes
[16:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you send me a command line example of how to reproduce the issue ?
[16:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can work on that quick
[16:06] <Nightrose> apachelogger: have a look at http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160275 please
[16:06] <ubotu> KDE bug 160275 in general "Coverfetcher for new Amazon Webservice ECS 4.0 does not recognize album title" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]
[16:08] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ask him to provide a patch
[16:08] <Nightrose> ok
[16:10] <Nightrose> apachelogger: done
[16:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: kdesudo -- hal-lock --interface org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Storage --exclusive --run '/usr/lib/ubiquity/bin/ubiquity kde_ui'
[16:12] <Riddell> boom
[16:12] <Riddell> gksudo -- hal-lock --interface org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Storage --exclusive --run '/usr/lib/ubiquity/bin/ubiquity kde_ui'
[16:12] <Riddell> aah
[16:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: although cjwatson has found a work around, so no panic
[16:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki
[16:50] <blizzzek> hm, has anyone tested wubi installer? i am going to install kubuntu on my office pc tomorrow, because this winding is driving me crazy. nevertheless this has to become a dual boot pc (with win2k next to it)
[16:53] <nixternal> blizzzek: wubi works great
[16:54] <blizzzek> nixternal: great, i am looking forward :)
[16:57] <Nightrose> nixternal: ah there you are back ;-)   I had a look at your presentation - looks good - you saig release of 4.1 in august - isn't it supposed to be released in july?
[17:01] <nixternal> w00t, they moved it back
[17:01] <nixternal> and guess what???!!!?
[17:01] <nixternal> KDE 4.1 COMES OUT ON MY BIRTHDAY!
[17:02] <nixternal> talk about the bestest b-day present ever!
[17:06] <Nightrose> hehe awesome
[17:06]  * Nightrose checks when it is exactly
[17:06] <nixternal> July 29, 2008
[17:07] <nixternal> would have been perfect if I was turning 41, but luckily I am only turning 34 :)
[17:07] <Nightrose> hihi
[17:07] <Nightrose> 9 days after mine then
[17:09] <Riddell> nixternal: moved back?
[17:09] <nixternal> it was August originally
[17:09] <nixternal> moved up rather :)
[17:09] <yuriy> wow late july/early august sounds like pretty good timing to sync with kubuntu releases
[17:10] <nixternal> ok, maybe it wasn't...I swore I saw an August 2008 somewhere before
[17:18] <Riddell> it's about 2.5 months before the ubuntu release
[17:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: back to dhcp patch for knetworkconf is done ;)
[17:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: here is the patch, if you want to review the syntax :)
[17:25] <Tonio_> http://paste.toniox.org/23
[17:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: works for me, so unless you see a problem, I'm uploading
[17:30] <Riddell> wow, great
[17:30] <Riddell> syntax?   this is perl, it'll do something :)
[17:33] <Nightrose> apachelogger: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160275 <- now with patch attached
[17:33] <ubotu> KDE bug 160275 in general "Coverfetcher for new Amazon Webservice ECS 4.0 does not recognize album title" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]
[17:34] <apachelogger> Nightrose: please show it to hydrogen or nhn
[17:35] <Nightrose> ok
[17:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you see another problem with knetworkconf I can work on ?
[18:17] <Artemis_Fowl> mhb: What's the current state of this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-grubconfig
[19:52] <smarter> hmm, kepas plasmoid FTBFS with " The following packages have unmet dependencies: kdebase-workspace-dev: Depends: kdebase-workspace (>= 4:4.0.2-0ubuntu4) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libplasma-dev but it is not going to be installed", anyone see why?
[19:52] <smarter> only on LPIA
[19:57] <jjesse> intersting when i try to copy a file or folder from a usb disk to a drive on my kubuntu bo i can't copy it but i can copy the file over via sftp?
[20:00] <nixternal> ahh, video works fine in KDE 3, but as soon as I go into KDE 4 with compositing enabled, video is nothing but a blue screen...seems to be the same issues that are in Compiz as well
[20:01] <nixternal> fix is supposedly to use Xshm, which is garbage, laggy, not sync'd, and then some
[20:01] <_StefanS_> Riddell: is it still valid for me to do that static network thingy ?
[20:01] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I just saw that knetworkconf was updated
[20:30] <Riddell> _StefanS_: mm, which one?
[20:35] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the one that is supposed to replace the (as I'm told) buggy kcm module (knetworkconf, guidance?). Its the one that Tonio was talking about
[20:37] <_StefanS_> Riddell: its the one you start from knetworkmanager; Manual Configuration
[20:37] <_StefanS_> Riddell: sorry for confusing you :D
[21:08] <nixternal> vorian: you use bitlbee?
[21:09] <vorian> nixternal: nope
[21:10] <vorian> nixternal: i might have to give it a try one of these days
[21:11]  * Jucato wonders how bitlbee is related to bumblbee...
[21:11] <nixternal> hrmm, it seems that Yahoo upgraded their protocol and all of the Ubuntu bitlbees no longer work
[21:11] <nixternal> !info bitlbee hardy
[21:11] <ubotu> Package bitlbee does not exist in hardy
[21:11] <nixternal> sure it does
[21:17] <jjesse> nixternal: i see you are no longer top on the 5-a-day list :)
[21:17] <nixternal> haven't worked on 5-a-day in a couple of weeks
[21:17] <nixternal> haven't had any time
[21:17] <vorian> blaspheme!
[21:17] <nixternal> brb
[21:17] <jjesse> i wonder what he's working on :)
[21:17] <jjesse> i bet its vista
[21:18] <vorian> bitlbee, i would guess
[21:19] <ryanakca> lol
[21:25] <nixternal> time for skewl
[21:25] <nixternal> later
[21:25] <Jucato> byee
[21:32]  * ryanakca is having fun trying to get kde to build from trunk :)
[21:33]  * nixternal is building it now
[21:33] <nixternal> I thought it was 16:30 here
[21:33] <nixternal> it is only 15:30
[21:33] <jjesse> lol its 16:30 here :)
[21:34] <ryanakca> nixternal: you aren't getting all sorts of errors when trying to build kdesupport (which in turns mess up the rest of the build)?
[21:34] <nixternal> nope
[21:34] <nixternal> are you using qt-copy?
[21:34] <ryanakca> nixternal: yeah, kdesvn-build :)
[21:34] <jjesse> nixternal: i'm finishing screenshots and then i'm done w/ book how bout u?
[21:35] <ryanakca> nixternal: hmm... according to the people in #strigi, its because there's something very wrong with my linker... "no 'delete', no 'new' etc, it is not linking the c++ libs" :S
[21:36] <ryanakca> Always nice to hear :)
[21:36] <nixternal> jjesse: been done with the book for a week now...I am waiting for Deb to send me a contract
[21:36] <jjesse> dang beet me done
[21:36] <nixternal> that sounds like fun ryanakca
[21:36] <nixternal> jjesse: next issue, I have 2 chapters :)
[21:36] <jjesse> yay what two?
[21:36] <mhb> hi folks
[21:36] <nixternal> Ubuntu Education Edition and LTSP
[21:37] <jjesse> congrats
[21:37] <Jucato> mhb!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:38] <mhb> yes?
[21:38] <Jucato> long time no see :)
[21:38] <mhb> have I forgotten anything?
[21:38] <jjesse> me?
[21:38] <mhb> Jucato: heh :o)
[21:39] <mhb> Jucato: that's because I am currently being in love with computer science and I am liking all those half-baked BreakingKits less and less
[21:40] <Jucato> I think I'll be in love with CS soon as well :)
[21:40] <mhb> Jucato: good to hear
[21:40]  * Jucato will be going to school (at home) in June :D
[21:41] <mhb> Jucato: more education is what makes open source better
[21:42] <Jucato> :D
[21:42] <mhb> Jucato: or perhaps it just makes our egos bigger
[21:42] <Jucato> or both :)
[21:43] <mhb> perhaps, yes.
[21:43] <mhb> unfortunately, my growing ego is blocking me from helping out with anything KDE, because I feel KDE is so taking all the wrong decisions nowadays
[21:44] <jjesse> mhb: really?
[21:44] <Jucato> there's always <some other FOSS project> out there :)
[21:44] <vorian> do we need a FFe for ktorrent-kde4 (update)?
[21:44] <ryanakca> lol :)
[21:44] <nixternal> we have a blanket FFe for *-kde4
[21:45] <nixternal> 15:40:02 [  UncleDub] 0% [6 gnome-desktop-data 363363/769kB 47%] [5 xserver-xorg-core 3460790/3600kB 96%] 961B/s 12d 13h50m47s
[21:45] <nixternal> 15:40:25 [  UncleDub] so in 12 days I'll have a testing system
[21:46] <ryanakca> lol
[21:47] <mhb> jjesse: also I have stopped using KDE when it took so much memory that I couldnt launch VirtualBox :o)
[21:48] <Jucato> hah! :P
[21:48] <Jucato> flux would probably the best for your :)
[21:48] <Jucato> (or twm?)
[21:48] <mhb> jjesse: yeah, well... I disagree with a whole lot of decisions lately, especially with the notion of adding features til you drop
[21:49] <jjesse> interseting, i like the fact we can disagree
[21:49] <mhb> Jucato: well, I am using one of those...
[21:49]  * Jucato hands both some calming <insert preferred caffeinated drink here>
[21:52] <ryanakca> mhb: ratpoison :P hmm... <reply> Isn't the UNIX philosophy doing one thing and doing it well? Features are always nice, but when you get to the point of useless features, imho, you've gone to far. However (once again imho), KDE hasn't reached that point... </reply>
[21:53] <fdoving> mhb: you must have enabled strigi for it to do that. i have been trying to use strigi for a short week, but it's so uslessly resource-intensive i can't get anything else done, today i disabled it.
[21:53] <ryanakca> (btw, where's the announcement of adding features 'till you drop? Or is it just a general concencus/feeling in the community?)
[21:53] <mhb> fdoving: unless it enabled itself... hmm, I will update and check
[21:54] <mhb> ryanakca: not sure, but I see that is what everyone is going for
[21:54] <fdoving> strigi is the only app i've seen using 1.8G of my 2G RAM.
[21:55] <mhb> ryanakca: including Ubuntu/GNOME
[21:55] <ryanakca> fdoving: ouch...
[21:56] <mhb> ryanakca: that about UNIX philosophy...is that what I said, or do we agree so much? :o)
[21:56] <ryanakca> mhb: I thought the point of GNOME was to KISS?
[21:56] <mhb> ryanakca: just the UI, the backend stuff is still slow and complex
[21:56] <ryanakca> ah
[21:57] <mhb> ryanakca: you are right with the UNIX philosophy... but then I really disagree with the notion that distributions should not select apps based on how good they are, but which toolkit do they use
[21:58] <mhb> which is kind of the whole point of Kubuntu, so I guess I should shut up and not spread my poisonous idea(l)s
[21:58] <ryanakca> mhb: the UNIX philosophy thing? Well, I just read the GNU manifesto. Everybody was supposed/did write a program that did one task, and then they all stuck them together and sold them, instead of one mega program that did all 5000 tasks
[21:58] <nixternal> now I can get ready for skewl
[21:59] <ryanakca> nixternal: have fun :)
[21:59] <nixternal> no way man
[21:59] <nixternal> I hate the class I have tonight
[21:59] <fdoving> ryanakca: and that manifesto comes from the same people that did emacs.
[21:59] <ryanakca> oh, what class?
[21:59] <jjesse> vista
[21:59] <nixternal> it takes all of the programming stuff you learned, and brings it all together teaching you how to create and manage a project
[21:59] <nixternal> jjesse: hardy har har
[21:59] <nixternal> FLOURISH TOMORROW!
[21:59] <ryanakca> fdoving: heh, now that I think about it, its kinda hypocritical :)
[21:59] <nixternal> mhb: hurry up and travel to chicago and you shall go to flourish with me :)
[22:00]  * nixternal goes now
[22:00] <nixternal> ttyl
[22:00]  * ryanakca waves
[22:00] <mhb> nixternal: hehe, I can't really, they won't let me in
[22:01]  * ryanakca thinks the next UDS should be in Toronto... or host it in Montreal again...
[22:02] <mhb> ryanakca: those were the days :o) I wish distros would learn from that...and app makers too, not just integrate it with KConfiguration or G registry, but with a text file ...
[22:02] <mhb> but text files are history now, today D-Bus is the new text file
[22:04] <fdoving> mhb: you will just love akonadi. everything is a mysql db now :)
[22:04] <mhb> ah good I never knew that
[22:06] <mhb> sorry people for bashing KDE so hard
[22:06] <jjesse> that's ok i still like you
[22:06] <Jucato> fdoving: would you have some choice as to which SQL to use?
[22:06] <jjesse> and we can still be friends :)
[22:06] <Jucato> :D
[22:06] <fdoving> Jucato: mysql is fine with me as sqlite doesn't work for this task.
[22:06] <Jucato> ah
[22:07] <fdoving> mysql or similar is the way to store huge amounts of text like pim-data, anyway.
[22:08] <mhb> jjesse: haha :o)
[22:08] <mhb> jjesse: that's good to hear
[22:09] <jjesse> alrighty heading out to dinner
[22:09] <jjesse> while my copy still runs
[22:22] <Riddell> _StefanS_: right but which static network thingy?
[22:22] <Riddell> _StefanS_: the change tonio did was to make it delete entries when they are no longer used
[22:26] <_StefanS_> Riddell: err.. I was asked to make a dialog to configure static networking, with restart of network, and read/write to /etc/network/interfaces
[22:26] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ofcourse I might completely wrong :D
[22:27] <Riddell> _StefanS_: to replace knetworkconf?
[22:28] <Riddell> probably a good idea, but I suspect no longer useful since it's too late for hardy and we'll probably have network manager .7 in the future
[22:28] <_StefanS_> I might actually be better of contributing directly to knm 0.7 then (if they need such a feature that is)
[22:29] <Riddell> _StefanS_: wstephenson was asking for helpers, it's a complex little applet though
[22:30] <Riddell> and I think he's just gone to bed
[22:30] <_StefanS_> Riddell: oh you mean he was asking for help on implementing it in 0.7 ?
[22:31] <Riddell> _StefanS_: well with knetworkmanager 0.7 in general
[22:32] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hmm I would like to fix some LEAP issues with knm anyway, so I'll just ask him what he needs help with
[22:32] <Riddell> _StefanS_: LEAP?
[22:33] <_StefanS_> Riddell: just a variant of PEAP
[22:33] <_StefanS_> Riddell: tunneling over wireless
[22:34] <_StefanS_> not many use it ;)
[22:35] <mhb> Riddell: should I even come to UDS now that I'm not helping Kubuntu in any way?
[22:35] <mhb> I am not sure if I'll be of any use, with my "controversial" opinions and all
[22:36] <Riddell> mhb: please do
[22:36] <mhb> okay
[22:41] <Nightrose> how can I find out if plasma crashes on logout? (need it for a bugreport)
[22:46] <mhb> goodnight folks
[22:46] <mhb> please keep Kubuntu healthy, and don't be afraid to voice your opinion like me :o)
[23:46] <Riddell> anyone tried playing dvd videos recently?
[23:46] <CheGuevara> in kaffeine?
[23:46] <Riddell> CheGuevara: yes
[23:47] <CheGuevara> don't have it
[23:47] <CheGuevara> only have dragon
[23:47] <Riddell> CheGuevara: ok, that'll do
[23:47] <CheGuevara> min let me find a dvd
[23:49] <_StefanS_> sleep. g'nite.
[23:52] <CheGuevara> Riddell, don't play for me
[23:53] <CheGuevara> tried a couple
[23:54] <Riddell> CheGuevara: read errors?
[23:55] <CheGuevara> libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.
[23:55] <CheGuevara> that could be why?
[23:56] <Riddell> CheGuevara: doesn't kaffeine install libdvdcss for you?
[23:57] <CheGuevara> Riddell, using dragon, remember
[23:57] <Riddell> oh yes
[23:57] <CheGuevara> let me install libdvdcss from medibuntu
[23:58] <Riddell> hmm, it works on my girlfriend's laptop
[23:58] <Riddell> so maybe its just my laptop's dvd drive that's being tricky
[23:58] <CheGuevara> bad dvd?
[23:59] <Riddell> naw, two dvd's don't work on mine, do on hers
[23:59]  * neversfelde searches a dvd


[18:46] <rberger> Any idea how to get the hostname (as reported by hostname -f) is a FQDN on Eucalyptus / UEC? Right now hostname is just set to a representation of the IP address with no domainname. This breaks a lot of packages.
[19:20] <erichammond> rberger: You might try asking over on #ubuntu-server or #eucalyptus
[19:20] <erichammond> rberger: Nothing happens on this channel.
[19:26] <rberger> erichammond thanks for the tip!
[19:27] <rberger> I had already asked at Eucalyptus. No real answer. It may be a UEC thing


[11:08] <chadadavis> jibel, I asked skaet and heard you were the person to ask about an amd64+mac category on the ISO tracker. I'm testing the amd64+mac images now and assumed that these would go in their own category, distinct from 'amd64' ?
[11:11] <jibel> chadadavis, amd64+mac is the image to test. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com//daily-live/20110329/natty-desktop-amd64+mac.iso
[11:11] <jibel> chadadavis, I'm adding the missing images to the tracker.
[11:11] <chadadavis> jibel, great. Thanks.
[11:54] <jibel> ara, when I add a new product to the tracker, is there a way to add the same testcases than another product, or do I need to readd the testcases one by one for each new product ?
[11:59] <ara> jibel, not through the web interface, I am afraid
[11:59] <ara> jibel, you can hack something in the database, though
[12:00] <jibel> ara, I was afraid too. I did the insert directly and that's ok. thanks.
[12:27] <jibel> chadadavis, the images are on the tracker now.
[12:28] <chadadavis> jibel, great. Thanks. I'm working on them now.
[12:28] <jibel> chadadavis, thanks
[13:06]  * pedro_ starting ubuntu dvd i386
[13:06] <pedro_> and alt
[13:27] <jibel> pedro_ and all, hi
[13:27] <jibel> hold on there is a respin coming
[13:29] <pedro_> hello jibel
[13:29] <pedro_> ok
[13:56] <hggdh> jibel: did we spin another image for server? Suddenly Jenkins restarted...
[13:57] <hggdh> and good morning, jibel, pedro_
[13:57] <hggdh> duh. of course we did
[13:59] <jibel> hggdh, yes we did, good morning
[14:01] <pedro_> good morning hggdh
[14:10] <marjo> good morning all
[14:10] <marjo> good day all
[14:11] <pedro_> brb
[14:14] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:15] <jibel> Good morning charlie-tca
[14:34] <charlie-tca> jibel: are you respinning all the images?
[14:34] <jibel> charlie-tca, yes
[14:34] <charlie-tca> Thanks.
[14:34] <charlie-tca> starting Xubuntu 386 upgrade test
[14:35] <jibel> charlie-tca, new ubiquity amongst others
[14:35] <charlie-tca> Got to be done, then.
[14:35] <charlie-tca> but that should not affect upgrades, right?
[14:36] <jibel> charlie-tca, upgrades are not affected
[14:40] <jibel> if somebody can help with wubi upgrade, you're welcome.
[14:57] <jibel> cjwatson, Riddell when installing kubuntu (20110329) I get a failure "cannot stat '/etc/default/keyboard'" then the installation stops. Is it a known or a new bug ?
[14:58] <jibel> Riddell, bug 744944 occured during upgrade
[14:58] <cjwatson> full logs please?
[14:58] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 744944 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "kdm is restarted during the upgrade to Natty . The user is disconnected from the session (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/744944
[15:00] <jibel> cjwatson, one second please, I'm slow with a US keymap on french keyboard
[15:10] <skaet> jibel, have not reset the upgrades since its believed the changes made overnight are unlikely to affected them, but if time permits when the other testing is done, we may want to redo them.   Will reset the ones not started so far.
[15:12] <charlie-tca> Can we have xubuntu upgrades back? They should not be affected either.
[15:15] <cjwatson> agreed
[15:29] <hggdh> jibel: another respin?
[15:29] <hggdh> jibel: if so, we have to cancel the current Jenkins jobs
[15:34] <davmor2> jibel: when things calm down a bit I'll try and test my laptop wifi issue on live cd if I get the chance
[15:35] <cjwatson> hggdh: the current batch should be more or less final, touch wood
[15:35] <cjwatson> barring showstopper issues discovered in QA
[15:35] <jibel> skaet, agreed
[15:37] <skaet> charlie-tca, cjwatson - Xubuntu upgrades back available.
[15:37] <charlie-tca> ta
[15:37] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[15:38] <hggdh> cjwatson: thanks. I will let jenkins go until .2 gets available, then I will cancel any remaining .1 test
[15:47] <bdmurray> cjwatson: should we be using ubiquity -d more often when we are testing?
[15:55] <jibel> cjwatson, bug 745014
[15:55] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 745014 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu Desktop failed to install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745014
[15:55] <cjwatson> Ubuntu server, alternate, desktop posted
[15:55] <jibel> sorry for the poor title
[15:56] <cjwatson> bdmurray: wouldn't hurt but best not to use it *all* the time
[15:56] <bdmurray> cjwatson: right because of the password appearing?
[15:56] <cjwatson> and it'll be a bit slower, and it means you have to start it from a terminal (or else use debug-ubiquity on the kernel command line)
[16:10] <charlie-tca> jibel: you got different colors than I do on the "High-contrast" install. Mine are dark grey with white text, and all visible
[16:10] <charlie-tca> I get black text in those white boxes
[16:11] <jibel> charlie-tca, I don't know, this is a live session with the latest iso
[16:11] <charlie-tca> weird
[16:11] <charlie-tca> I ran it on three different systems, with ati and intel graphics, and got black text there each time
[16:12] <charlie-tca> but I agree, it is a problem
[16:14] <jibel> charlie-tca, I'm trying on a real machine
[16:18] <Riddell> hmm, archive mirror is slow
[16:25] <jibel> charlie-tca, same problem on my taketimetohaveacupofcoffee netbook
[16:27] <jibel> charlie-tca, the theme is 'High Contrast Inverse'
[16:32] <charlie-tca> You started at the cd menu with F5?
[16:32] <charlie-tca> I will try it again
[16:39] <jibel> charlie-tca, no when I boot using F5 I get the large fonts not the inverted theme and the situation is not better, the buttons are out of the screen.
[16:40] <charlie-tca> okay, that's why I couldn't reproduce it then. Will try from the live desktop
[17:24] <cjwatson> it would really help if somebody with a11y experience were contributing to the installer ...
[17:25] <charlie-tca> +1
[17:38] <cjwatson> argh, managed to deadlock a bunch of processes on my DVD drive
[17:38]  * cjwatson hates media
[19:58] <njin> Hello, is Migration Assistant disabled ?
[20:00] <skaet> jibel, around?
[20:10] <bdmurray> skaet: is there something I can help with?
[20:10] <skaet> bdmurray,  can you add some more ec2 images to the iso tester?
[20:11] <skaet> looks like we've now got northeast asia ones
[20:11] <bdmurray> skaet: its been a while but probably
[20:11] <cjwatson> Kubuntu alternate, Kubuntu desktop, and Kubuntu mobile i386 posted
[20:11] <skaet> the ones there right now should be explicitly labeled southeast.
[20:12] <njin> someone know if Migration Assistant is disabled ? Thanks
[20:17] <charlie-tca> njin: to the best of my knowledge, it is enabled. It was last night, at least.
[20:19] <njin> charlie-tca: hello, i cannot see it installing just now
[20:20] <charlie-tca> Is windows on that computer?
[20:20] <njin> no, only ubuntu, other two, seem strange that don't see nothing, one is surely used
[20:21] <njin> it don't appear as window
[20:21] <charlie-tca> Migration Assistant only works with windows
[20:21] <charlie-tca> It was not set up for Ubuntu to Ubuntu
[20:21] <njin> ?, not with Ubuntu ?
[20:22] <charlie-tca> no, I found that out testing alpha3
[20:23]  * skaet -> get lunch,  biab
[20:23] <njin> ou, then now is clear, thanks
[20:23] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[20:24] <njin> I go on testing Kubuntu then
[20:40] <jibel> skaet, around.
[20:41] <skaet> jibel,  ap-northeast images new on the ec2 manifest.   What numbers to assign them?
[20:42] <skaet> also, existing ap images should be explicitly denoted southeast in the iso tracker.  :)
[20:42] <skaet> bdmurray was starting to look at it, but not sure how far he got.
[20:43] <bdmurray> skaet: not far I had a call sorry
[20:44] <skaet> bdmurray, understand,  all multiplexing quite a bit today.
[20:45] <jibel> skaet, looking
[20:57] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu upgrade, one minor bug, bug 745207
[20:57] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 745207 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "Upgrade from 10.10 to Natty, there is only one workspace (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745207
[20:57] <charlie-tca> user can add more easily, but they should not disappear on upgrade
[21:31] <jibel> skaet, okay, sorry for being slow, blame the tracker.
[21:31] <jibel> skaet, I renamed to southeast the following products ami-ca3b4298, ami-cc3b429e, ami-d03b4282, ami-183b424a
[21:31] <jibel> and added:
[21:31] <jibel> ap-northeast-1 	32-bit 	instance 	ami-7cfd577d
[21:31] <jibel> ap-northeast-1 	64-bit 	instance 	ami-aafd57ab
[21:31] <jibel> ap-northeast-1 	32-bit 	ebs 	ami-eafd57eb
[21:31] <jibel> ap-northeast-1 	64-bit 	ebs 	ami-f0fd57f1
[21:32] <jibel> skaet, I'll add the testcases now, .....
[21:32] <skaet> thanks jibel
[21:40] <jibel> skaet, testcases are there too now.
[21:41] <skaet> jibel,  great.    Will let smoser know.
[21:41] <charlie-tca> Made it back. New keyboard connected. Apparently unplugged the wrong thing
[21:42] <jibel> skaet, k, please double check, between ap, 32bit, i386, instance, ebs ... I may have lost the north ;-)
[21:44] <skaet> jibel,  will do.   Have to update the post-amis script so, will give them a good stare.
[21:44] <skaet> :)
[22:50] <patrickmw> has anyone had success running a live session with persistence?  If so, can you please describe the procedure you followed?
[22:51] <patrickmw> jibel ^
[22:52] <jibel> patrickmw, burn an image to a memory stick, boot to a live session, write some stuff to the key, e.g in your home directory, reboot and check that what you've written is still there
[22:53] <patrickmw> jibel: the test case describes adding a "persistent" param to the linux boot line.  does that seem correct?
[22:57] <jibel> patrickmw, I don't think it's still needed and the testcase needs an update.
[22:57] <patrickmw> jibel: ack
[23:13] <skaet> jibel,   looks like arm images and iso tracker may need some tweaking
[23:13] <jibel> GrueMaster, go ahead, which images with which labels ?
[23:14] <GrueMaster> The Ubuntu Netbook Armel+[omap3|omap4] images should be Ubuntu Preinstalled instead.
[23:14] <GrueMaster> I don't thinkk the netbook testcases are mapped properly since they were older (not sure).
[23:15] <GrueMaster> I really do not understand how admin iso.qa.u.c works.
[23:17] <GrueMaster> None of them have correct links to the images.  And the Netbook images have no testcases associated with them.
[23:17] <jibel> GrueMaster, I've added Ubuntu ARM Preinstalled omap3/4, the testcase needs an update it refers to maverick
[23:18] <jibel> GrueMaster, I can safely remove Ubuntu Netbook armel+omap3/4 ?
[23:19] <GrueMaster> The download links for the Preinstalled images should not have /ports/ in the path.
[23:19] <GrueMaster> Yes, remove the netbook testcases.
[23:20] <GrueMaster> And the test procedures for the Preinstalled Images should point to http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ARM/PreinstalledImage
[23:21] <jibel> ports I can not change it is hardcoded
[23:21] <GrueMaster> The installation steps are the same for Maverick.
[23:21] <GrueMaster> That is bad.
[23:22] <GrueMaster> We dropped ports from the path at the beginning of the cycle.
[23:25] <skaet> GrueMaster,  Netbook is the term being used in the release notes, only for ARM.   All other images folded into Ubuntu,   so am ok with images being identified as Netbook.
[23:25] <skaet> however we can revisit this after the beta is out.
[23:25] <GrueMaster> skaet: Unfortunately the arm netbook images are rather different from the arm preinstalled images.
[23:25] <GrueMaster> As far as test procedures go.
[23:26] <GrueMaster> And installation.
[23:26] <skaet> ok
[23:27] <GrueMaster> For the most part, I really don't care, as I end up doing all the testing anyways.  I just need somewhere to record the results.  :P
[23:28] <jibel> testcase link updated.
[23:29] <jibel> GrueMaster, it looks like http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-preinstalled/20110329/ redirects to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-preinstalled/20110329/
[23:30] <GrueMaster> jibel: I don't see anything under http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/ for daily-*
[23:31] <GrueMaster> Only releases/maverick
[23:31] <GrueMaster> Hmm.  The link you posted does seem to work.  Just can't walk the tree.
[23:32] <jibel> GrueMaster, when you enter http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-preinstalled/ you're redirected to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-preinstalled/ without ports, there must be a rule on the webserver side
[23:33] <GrueMaster> Must be.  Trying to drill down from the top you don't see anything under /ports/ except releases.  Whatever works I guess.
[23:34] <jibel> GrueMaster, what about Ubuntu Headless armel omap3/omap4 ? There's a testcase but no image
[23:35] <GrueMaster> They need to be added.  The path is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-headless/daily-preinstalled/
[23:39] <jibel> patrickmw, that's bug 711378
[23:39] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 711378 in compiz (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "after compiz crashed, gnome-panel isn't mapped again (affects: 6) (dups: 2) (heat: 42)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711378
[23:40] <patrickmw> jibel: is it amd64 only?
[23:41] <jibel> patrickmw, no I dont think so
[23:42] <patrickmw> jibel: ok. i've been able to replicate the issue consistently on amd64 images in vbox
[23:42] <jibel> patrickmw, its only when the 2D fallback is used, if you login derectly to classic desktop with compiz enabled the panel should be there
[23:44] <patrickmw> jibel: yes. this is interesting.  when I boot the amd64 dvd and let it boot to the desktop automatically gnome-panel fails.  When in the ubuntu installer screen and I select "try ubuntu" gnome panel loads fine
[23:45] <patrickmw> note, i don't even have a user to login with... i'm testing live cd
[23:45] <patrickmw> so no ui option to select classic
[23:48] <GrueMaster> jibel: I've been spanked regarding the Preinstalled images naming.  We need to get the Arm Netbook testcases mapped properly, and in a way that will carry forward to the next release test cycle.
[23:52] <cjwatson> jibel,GrueMaster: there are .htaccess redirects for ports, yes, although anything relying on them should still be fixed
[23:53] <jibel> GrueMaster, please file a bug with all the updates you need for arm images and I'll take care of it.
[23:54] <GrueMaster> How about a bug to fix qa to allow mere mortals to update their testcases?
[23:58] <cjwatson> that stuff does seem excessively locked down, yes (though it doesn't look deliberate, more like "web admin interface isn't smart enough yet")
[23:58] <GrueMaster> Having hardcoded paths doesn't help much either.
[23:59] <cjwatson> FWIW, I would just have cleaned up all the /ports/ stuff in one go if I could.
[23:59] <cjwatson> or if I could even see that there was a problem.


[07:20] <flocculant> balloons: re manual testcase bugs - whole list of 'Test needed' bugs going back almost 5 years, as they are obviously NOT needed, I'm going to clear the bug list up some, unless anyone can think of any reason not too


[04:03] <eauxnguyen> hi all. Any recommendations for hardware for a small office server with raid 0 or better yet raid 5? Considering hp factory refurb..
[04:16] <mralphabet> something you can get local hardware support for /shrug
[04:16] <mralphabet> find out what the vendors near you are warranty qualified for
[04:17] <mralphabet> or if you are doing the hardware support yourself then buy whatever you are comfortable with.
[04:23] <eauxnguyen> mralphabet: Thanks
[04:24] <eauxnguyen> it looks like I can get reasonably priced hp looking at the known good list at ubuntu for the promise raid controller..
[04:36] <tr0n102> Is there a way to raid 1 the MBR across 5 drives using mdadm or raidtools (not not grub-install etc)?
[04:36] <tr0n102> Put another way: IS there a way to raid1 the first 512k of your hdd's in linux through mdadm/raidtools???
[04:39] <mralphabet> raid 1 is *2 drives*
[04:40] <mralphabet> 3 drives is not raid 1
[04:40] <mralphabet> >3 drives is not raid 1
[04:40] <lcdd> why not?
[04:41] <mralphabet> that's wrong actually
[04:41] <mralphabet> >2 drives is not raid 1
[04:41] <mralphabet> there, fixed it
[04:42] <mralphabet> lcdd: because raid 1 is a mirror, ie 1 to 1 copy to a second drive, a third drive doesn't fit into that equation
[04:44] <tr0n102> *sigh please google that statement mralphabet. http://www.peg.com/techpapers/monographs/raid/raid.html
[04:45] <tr0n102> anyways, for simplicities sake, lets just say I have 2 drives
[04:45] <tr0n102> how could I do this?
[04:47] <mralphabet> use mdadm
[04:48] <mralphabet> One can configure RAID 1 to have more than one duplicate (e.g. "triple mirroring") copy of each disk.
[04:48] <mralphabet> my bad
[04:49] <mralphabet> win 15
[04:50] <tr0n102> Everytime a drive dies, I should not have to install grub into the MBR. The MBR is part of the Hard disk, therefore the Raid software should handle it!
[04:54] <lcdd> you can combine whole disks instead of partitions
[04:54] <tr0n102> How can I do that with software raid lcdd!?
[04:54] <lcdd> but i don't know for sure whether that will affect booting
[04:54] <tr0n102> do you have a link?
[04:54] <lcdd> well, the same way as with partitions, i think
[04:55] <tr0n102> a hyperlink to this esoteric and forbidden knowledge?
[04:55] <lcdd> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html
[04:56] <lcdd> i hope it is current
[04:56] <tr0n102> any particular section you were referencing?
[04:56] <mralphabet> it is not current
[04:57] <tr0n102> hmmm but that brings up a good point. instead of using a partition as a device, use the whole disk as a device
[04:57] <tr0n102> fascinating, but can it work?
[04:58] <tr0n102> "/spock
[05:00] <lcdd> i've never tested it
[05:01] <tr0n102> well, it doesn't work in my situation anyway
[05:01] <tr0n102> Thanks for your help tho, I'll probably just use sfdisk to do it all
[06:26] <tr0n102> Weird al Whit3 and n3rdy - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-355446715071271348&q=white+and+nerdy&total=6362&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
[07:27] <nealmcb> tr0n102: yeah - a great video - I have it on my nokia 770 internet tablet
[09:46] <ghatak> Hi, i currently have a server with TFTP, DHCP setup for pxe boot. is it possible for me to redirect all the output to console? I am able to do it once the installation is done by changing grub
[05:17] <stiV> hi everyone ... i have a question: i am trying to install multiple machines unattended, which is working pretty good, i have my own mirror and costumized packages (eg. apache2 package w. ssl generation and change config files built in) but i just can't figure out how to tell the "postfix" package to stop asking for configuration. (i changed the package to hold all the configs i need). anyone an idea or a link where i could f
[05:17] <stiV> the installation is working very well, and i have a working unattended netboot environment, but because i changed some components on my mirror i can't get the installer to use the packages i want before the first boot, so i made a one-time bootscript (which works as well) where i do an aptitude update and install all the packages i want via aptitude install XY. thing is, postfix asks questions and i wandted to know if i just
[05:28] <jdstrand> stiV: man 7 debconf
[05:29] <jdstrand> stiV: particularly Unattended Package Installation
[05:47] <stiV> that was what i was searching for ... ty :-)
[08:53] <kronus_> Hi, is there any way to force dhclient to ask for a specific IP?  Our router doesn't seem to support this functionality, and a normal DHCP acquire gives me a different IP than before
[08:54] <kronus_> and the whole office doesn't want to change their bookmarks :|
[08:55] <kronus_> oh, and setting the IP with ifconfig makes the server unable to communicate with the outside world
[09:03] <mralphabet> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_configure_network_connections
[09:07] <mralphabet> hrm, that's if you are in gnome
[09:07] <mralphabet> kronus_: what are you running?
[09:10] <kronus_> server distro, no GUI
[09:28] <mralphabet> !server gude
[09:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about server gude - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:28] <mralphabet> !server guide
[09:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about server guide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:28] <mralphabet> hrm
[09:37] <mralphabet> !network
[09:37] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:41] <jdstrand> kronus_: why not use another computer as your dhcp server, and disable that on the router?  Then you can setup MAC addresses with IP addresses.
[09:41] <jdstrand> kronus_: as for ifconfig not working-- did you remember to setup a default route?
[09:46] <kronus_> jdstrand: what is a default route?
[09:47] <jdstrand> kronus_: it tells the computer where to send packets that it doesn't know how to route.  Typical usage would be:
[09:47] <jdstrand> route add default gw <ip of your router>
[09:47] <kronus_> ah
[09:47] <kronus_> i will try that
[09:49] <kronus_> I think it worked, thanks :D
[09:49] <jdstrand> kronus_: you should see:
[09:49] <jdstrand> man route
[09:49] <jdstrand> man interfaces
[09:49] <kronus_> will do
[09:49] <jdstrand> The second lets you configure these things in the debian/ubuntu way
[09:49] <jdstrand> they will come up on boot automatically then
[09:50] <kronus_> so a dhcp ack would set up both the NIC and the routing, then?
[09:50] <jdstrand> typically yes
[09:50] <jdstrand> you are doing it manually, so you need to do both
[09:51] <kronus_> ah, route gw sets the gateway
[09:51] <kronus_> it makes more sense now
[09:52] <kronus_> I would go to #ubuntu to troubleshoot wifi, right?
[09:53] <jdstrand> yes