[00:45] <robert_ancell> RAOF, does bug #602505 look like a standard X problem to you?
[00:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 602505 in lightdm "Support Init, PreSession and PostSession script hooks" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602505
[00:45] <robert_ancell> (aside from the fact that LightDM doesn't fallback to a failsafe)
[00:45] <robert_ancell> I mean bug #829163
[00:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 829163 in lightdm "Lightdm does not start with nvidia-current driver installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829163
[01:04] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Could be?
[01:04] <robert_ancell> RAOF, I'll rephrase that.  I'm about to reassign that to X, any objections?
[01:05] <RAOF> robert_ancell: With more (or, in fact, any) details it might be clearer.  That could be the result of a broken xorg.conf.
[01:05] <RAOF> robert_ancell: No objections :)(
[01:05] <robert_ancell> RAOF, what is the right package for X again?
[01:05] <RAOF> xorg is where you might want to send it first; that's where the triage queue is.
[01:27] <bryceh> yeah sort of silly to file a bug that X doesn't work when an xorg.conf is specified, and not include said xorg.conf.
[04:02] <robert_ancell> RAOF, does /etc/gdm/failsafeXServer no longer exist?
[04:05] <RAOF> robert_ancell: As far as I can tell, no, it doesn't exist.
[04:05] <robert_ancell> RAOF, so failsafe is completely broken at the moment?
[04:05] <RAOF> robert_ancell: /usr/share/xdiagnose/failsafeXServer is probabyl what you're after?
[04:05] <robert_ancell> Then this might be out of date /etc/init/failsafe-x.conf
[04:07] <RAOF> I don't have such a file.
[04:07] <robert_ancell> RAOF, in x11-common?
[04:08] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Nope, not here.
[04:09] <robert_ancell> oh, must be legacy.  I removed the file and reinstalled x11-common and it disappeared
[05:15] <tjaalton> robert_ancell, RAOF: looks like that file needs to be cleaned on x11-common upgrade
[05:16] <tjaalton> it already does that for a bunch of files, but that seems to have been left out
[05:16] <jasoncwarner_> hey RAOF , any word yet from tseliot and nvidia?
[05:27] <RAOF> jasoncwarner_: He's done some preliminary checking to ensure it's something nvidia will accept as their fault (and not caused by something we do strangely, like the grub bootsplash stuff).
[05:28] <RAOF> jasoncwarner_: Hm.  Perhaps that wasn't totally well worded.  He's raising it with nvidia :).  And, in the meantime, I've pointed DBO at a dbus interface he can use to work around the problem.
[05:28] <jasoncwarner_> :)
[05:28] <jasoncwarner_> aight...thanks!
[05:40] <pitti> Good morning
[05:41]  * pitti yawns -- sleep would help!
[05:51] <pitti> Sweetshark: sorry about bug 834178, seems this collided with yesterday's postgresql update :(
[05:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 834178 in libreoffice-l10n "next libreoffice ftbfs (all archs)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834178
[06:21] <BigWhale> Morning
[06:29] <tkamppeter> RAOF, thanks. Can you split icc-profiles-free appropriately into two binary packages?
[06:35] <jbicha> ricotz: good morning, looks like gnome-shell still FTBFS on ARM
[06:46] <ricotz> jbicha, hello, yes :\
[06:47] <ricotz> bigon, could you take a look at this http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/gnome-shell/gnome-shell_3.1.4-0ubuntu2.debdiff
[07:09] <glatzor_> morning pitti, how can I avoid that apport picks up a DBusException in a python service raised for the client?
[07:10] <pitti> glatzor_: there is no easy way to do this right now
[07:10] <pitti> I noticed the same in Jockey, I used return codes instead
[07:15] <BigWhale> uhmm, did firefox (or better, flash) stopped using PulseAudio for sound?
[07:16] <BigWhale> because youtube is sending sound to my headphones and pulseaudio is sending it to my speakers
[07:24] <tkamppeter> Big improvement: I could log in on the desktop without getting any crash message! But I had to log in through gdm, lightdm still does not start.
[07:26] <Sweetshark> morning all (not a good one so far for me it seems)
[07:26] <pitti> hey Sweetshark
[07:26] <pitti> Sweetshark: the joy of beta freeze rush :/
[07:26]  * pitti hugs Sweetshark
[07:27] <Sweetshark> pitti: nah, I am guilty alone on that one alone.
[07:27] <pitti> I swear, I'll sleep at least 10 hours on the weekend
[07:28] <pitti> Sweetshark: btw, I tried to IRC/call you last night -- the upload had a release target of "UNRELEASED"
[07:28] <Sweetshark> pitti: I am still flappergasted that that one didnt show up on my local builds.
[07:28] <pitti> Sweetshark: I hit the .changes over the head and hand-edited it
[07:28] <pitti> Sweetshark: you might still have had libpq-dev 9.0?
[07:30] <Sweetshark> pitti: cant be, I didnt update but the local build after the failed upload failed too.
[07:33] <Sweetshark> anyway: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=commit;h=e98b13ea9a5c8099bdf13e1e6dc4d175ce8cff77 and http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=commit;h=77e0cb8f863fad1b29b03f97c59ed53f6577c964 should fix it, but I didnt try to package it again as doing that after 2 am local ist just the way to doom
[07:35] <pitti> ah, good
[07:35] <BigWhale> Can someone with multiple audio cards check where Flash outputs its sound?
[07:36] <BigWhale> after an upgrade today, Flash is not using pulse audio, or so it seems
[07:43] <pitti> TheMuso: still here?
[07:43] <Sweetshark> pitti: anyway, thanks for helping me breaking main even harder :/
[07:43] <pitti> Sweetshark: it fails worse with libpq 9.1?
[07:44] <pitti> sorry, that wasn't intended
[07:44]  * Sweetshark tries to do the packaging very carefully ...
[07:45] <Sweetshark> pitti: nah, you are not guilty in any onther way that uploading the package as requested ...
[07:45] <pitti> heh
[07:45] <pitti> Sweetshark: fortunately -l10n failed the same way, otherwise we'd have a lot of uninstallability right now
[07:47] <Sweetshark> pitti: we shouldnt build the sdbc-postgresql stuff at all yet -- that was half done ongoing work by _rene_ (which is ok, because his packages are still unreleased).
[07:52] <Sweetshark> pitti: should the changes file be generated including the changelog entries from the last (failed) upload?
[07:52] <Sweetshark> pitti: i.e. -v3.4.1-4ubuntu1?
[07:52] <pitti> Sweetshark: no, just the most recent upload
[07:52] <Sweetshark> k
[07:53] <pitti> -v is only necessary for SRUs when you stack several on top of each other, or for merges
[07:53] <pitti> but the previous version hit oneiric-changes@, so no need to repeat it again
[07:54] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[07:54] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, where did my forward button go in firefox??!
[07:55] <rickspencer3> hi chrisccoulson good morning
[07:55] <chrisccoulson> hi rickspencer3, how are you?
[07:56] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, doing pretty well
[07:56] <rickspencer3> it's been a bit quiet
[07:56] <rickspencer3> (which is a nice change ;) )
[07:56] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[07:56] <rickspencer3> how about you?
[07:56] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3, yeah, i'm good thanks
[07:58] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[07:58] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[07:58] <rickspencer3> good morning pitti
[07:58] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti
[07:59] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, so the forward button is now gone in firefox, and only appears once you navigate with the back button
[07:59] <chrisccoulson> weird :/
[07:59] <seb128> hey
[08:00] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:00] <seb128> hey pitti, how are you?
[08:00] <pitti> tired
[08:00] <pitti> took me until 1:30 am to figure out ubiquity
[08:00] <seb128> stop working 19 hours a day!!!
[08:00] <pitti> but I have it mostly nailed now
[08:00] <jbicha> chrisccoulson: which FF version are you using?
[08:00] <pitti> one bug in pygobject which has an easy workaround, and two fixes in ubiquity that I pushed into a branch
[08:00] <chrisccoulson> jbicha, nightly
[08:00] <seb128> pitti, great, at least you got somewhere ;-)
[08:00] <seb128> hey jbicha
[08:00] <pitti> but at this point we'll do the update post beta-1
[08:00] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[08:00] <seb128> how are you?
[08:01] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, i'm good thanks. how are you?
[08:01] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[08:01] <jbicha> seb128: howdy
[08:05] <chrisccoulson> seb128 will be pleased with more UI elements being hidden in firefox ;)
[08:08] <pitti> now, off to reducing the stuff in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs?orderby=-importance&field.milestone%3Alist=39143
[08:08] <glatzor_> pitti, hello, I prepared some bugfixes in lp:~glatzor/aptdaemon/ubuntu-oneiric Could you upload them since mvo is off?
[08:08] <pitti> glatzor_: sure
[08:09] <pitti> glatzor_: it doesn't refer to bugs, is that important for beta-1/
[08:09] <pitti> ?
[08:09] <pitti> glatzor_: erm, actually he did upload it
[08:09] <pitti>  aptdaemon | 0.43+bzr676-0ubuntu1 |       oneiric | source, all
[08:09] <pitti> which is what's in bzr currently
[08:11] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, you closed the wncksync task in bug 829778. i opened that because we want it removed from the archive
[08:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 829778 in glib2.0 "Breaks everything because of an API break in glib" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829778
[08:11] <glatzor_> pitti, I haven't yet merged my branch in the ubuntu-oneiric branch, see lp:~glatzor/aptdaemon/ubuntu-oneiric
[08:12] <pitti> glatzor_: ah, sorry
[08:14] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I don't mind ui element being hidden, I do mind copy or urls leading to something that can't be clicked ;-)
[08:15] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you add the gvfs-bin recommends btw?
[08:15] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i didn't. do you want me to do that?
[08:15] <seb128> pitti, I will spend some time today on ftfbs, nbs, and milestoned bugs cleaning btw
[08:15] <seb128> chrisccoulson, if you want sure ;-)
[08:15] <pitti> seb128: yay
[08:18] <chrisccoulson> nice! i can plan for P already - http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2011/08/every_six_weeks.html ;)
[08:19] <micahg> chrisccoulson: firefox 11 and a 0-day firefox 12 for P apparently :)
[08:21] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah, sorry; will do
[08:22] <pitti> chrisccoulson: liblauncher rdepends on wncksync, can this go, too?
[08:23] <pitti> only rdepends is netbook-launcher-efl
[08:23] <pitti> suppose that could go as well
[08:24] <seb128> ogra_, ^
[08:24] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, it's currently uninstallable anyway
[08:24] <seb128> pitti, it was only kept for armel iirc
[08:24] <pitti> I thought only kept if someone wanted to work on it?
[08:24] <seb128> check with ogra_ but I guess we can drop those with unity-2d
[08:24] <chrisccoulson> i must admit, i didn't check the rdepends on wncksync, i just assumed that it was obsolete and that nobody uses it ;)
[08:25] <pitti> I dropped wncksync and liblauncher, keeping -efl for interested parties
[08:25] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[08:26] <pitti> glatzor_: merged; the changelog doesn't look beta-1 critical, is it?
[08:27] <glatzor_> pitti, right. sorry I just realized the freeze. it is ok to wait.
[08:27] <pitti> glatzor_: ok, great; uploading now
[08:27] <pitti> glatzor_: pushed/uploaded
[08:27] <glatzor_> thanks Pici
[08:27] <glatzor_> thanks pitti
[08:30] <pitti> seb128: I suppose bug 805063  should move to beta-2 now?
[08:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 805063 in unity-2d "[dash] preferred applications are not stored in GConf anylonger" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/805063
[08:30] <huats> morning
[08:30] <seb128> pitti, yes
[08:31] <pitti> chrisccoulson: for bug 804397, what's the final resolution? add the recommends to gvfs?
[08:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 804397 in xdg-utils "xdg-open depends on gnome-open, but it's not on the CD" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/804397
[08:31] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, that's the plan
[08:31] <pitti> chrisccoulson: is the bug description obsolete then? It says gnome-open is missing
[08:32] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, that's obsolete
[08:32] <seb128> pitti, the title should be "on gvfs-open or gnome-open, but neither is on the CD"
[08:33] <seb128> well it's not obsolete
[08:33] <seb128> it's still an issue than installing xdg-utils gives you a broken xdg-open
[08:34] <seb128> but if we get gvfs-bin on the CD the bug becomes a low importance one
[08:34] <seb128> still a bug though
[08:39] <seb128> pitti, how much stable we need to be today? i.e should I refrain from small bug fix updates (like making packages use dh_translations when they don't)?
[08:39] <seb128> or small bug fixes
[08:39] <pitti> today is still fine for unintrusive fixes
[08:39] <seb128> or are those ok?
[08:39] <pitti> and also for milestoned ones
[08:39] <seb128> ok, thanks
[08:40] <pitti> we just want to peer-review them in the queue
[08:40] <seb128> gotcha
[08:40] <seb128> pitti, do you want me to review a bug list to help you a bug?
[08:40] <seb128> the canonical team assigned one maybe?
[08:41] <pitti> chrisccoulson: bug 804397 updated, are you working on an upload?
[08:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 804397 in gvfs "xdg-open depends on gnome-open, but it's not on the CD" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/804397
[08:41] <pitti> seb128: I'm currently walking through the desktopish ones on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs?orderby=-importance&field.milestone%3Alist=39143
[08:41] <chrisccoulson> pitti - https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/gvfs/lp804397
[08:41] <pitti> seb128: if you want to work on the "missing translations" ones, that sounds great
[08:42] <chrisccoulson> i can't upload gvfs, or push to the bzr branch :(
[08:42] <pitti> it'll help translators if we do it earlier
[08:42] <seb128> pitti, ok, doing that then, thanks
[08:42] <pitti> chrisccoulson: sponsiring.l.
[08:42] <pitti> gosh, typing
[08:42] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks
[08:42] <chrisccoulson> heh
[08:43] <seb128> chrisccoulson, can you email cjwatson? gvfs should be in the desktop set (I'm suprised it's not in fact)
[08:53] <ogra_> seb128, pitti, chrisccoulson, no need for keeping efl other than in universe
[08:53] <ogra_> (or anything related to the old launcher
[08:53] <pitti> ogra_: it's in universe, but uninstallable
[08:55] <ogra_> well, from the ubuntu-arm POV its useless
[08:55] <ogra_> so do what you feel like ;)
[08:55] <pitti> I'll remove it then, it's rather useless right now
[08:56] <pitti> and the source is still on launchpad
[08:57] <tjaalton> btw, is there a way to disable unity launcher items from a customized setup?
[08:59] <seb128> tjaalton, what do you mean?
[09:00] <tjaalton> seb128: well, how to disable an entry or to add a new one, but I think I know the answer already
[09:01] <seb128> tjaalton, it's a gsettings key
[09:01] <seb128> tjaalton, but do you want to block a specific program to be added?
[09:01] <seb128> or lock the launcher?
[09:01] <seb128> or force one entry to stay there?
[09:01] <tjaalton> seb128: both I guess
[09:02] <seb128> not sure that's easy to do
[09:02] <seb128> you can probably easily lock the list of favorite
[09:02] <seb128> but block special items not sure
[09:02] <jbicha> right, you should be able to make a setting mandatory
[09:03] <tjaalton> thinking that it's what my ex-colleagues will ask first when they try 12.04 :)
[09:04] <seb128> tjaalton, simply lock the launcher favorites?
[09:04] <tjaalton> seb128: system wide
[09:04] <seb128> tjaalton, what's the goal?
[09:04] <tjaalton> changing the system defaults
[09:04] <seb128> consistent ui? block running of random softwares?
[09:04] <pitti> seb128: so should we reintroduce the older gnome-menus with a new source package to provide the old ABI/python-gmenu again?
[09:04] <tjaalton> for instance the software center is useless on a classroom computer, where people can't install anything
[09:04] <seb128> tjaalton, ok, custom default config is trivial, just ship an override for that gsettings key with your list
[09:05] <tjaalton> seb128: yeah, that's what I thought, thanks
[09:05] <GunnarHj> pitti: Hello Martin, I've thought about yesterday's talk about LC_MESSAGES etc., and I think I have an idea how to deal with it when setting variables instead of setting and unsetting back and forth. Will write a couple of MPs.
[09:05] <seb128> pitti, so we basically need the old lib and the python binary? not the dev?
[09:06] <pitti> seb128: right, and not the gnome-menus binary
[09:06] <pitti> seb128: well, we need libgnome-menu-dev, too
[09:06] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/libgnome-menu-dev
[09:06] <pitti> there's a bunch of depends still
[09:07] <seb128> pitti, do you want me to work on that?
[09:07] <pitti> I think gnome-shell probably wants to move to libgnome-menu-3-dev, though?
[09:07] <pitti> seb128: if you have some time, that'd be appreciated
[09:07] <seb128> pitti, g-s will probably be done for 3.1.5 yes
[09:08] <seb128> jbicha, ^ do you know?
[09:08] <seb128> pitti, ok, can do
[09:08] <pitti> cheers
[09:09] <pitti> ah, langpacks generated, time to test them
[09:09]  * pitti yearning for not-oversized CDs
[09:09] <seb128> pitti, where where where? I want to test them ;-)
[09:09] <pitti> seb128: I'll get you a French build
[09:09] <seb128> danke!
[09:11] <ricotz> pitti, yes, gnome-shell already uses menu-3
[09:11] <pitti> ah, then at least that dependency will go away
[09:11] <pitti> alacarte will probably be removed
[09:11] <pitti> and wncksync went away
[09:12] <ricotz> pitti, do you like to sponsor http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/gnome-shell/gnome-shell_3.1.4-0ubuntu2.debdiff
[09:12] <seb128> pitti, not sure, it got a bunch of commits in git this week
[09:12] <pitti> and there's still a bunch
[09:12] <jbicha> seb128: yes it was ported to the gnome-menus, the real question is why gnome-shell didn't bother releasing a 3.1.5
[09:12] <pitti> ricotz: can't right now, but a little later; queueing
[09:12] <ricotz> pitti, alright :)
[09:14] <pitti> ricotz: why did you drop libpolkit-agent-1-dev b-dep?
[09:16] <ricotz> pitti, i didnt
[09:16] <pitti> ricotz: ah, misread, sorry
[09:22] <pitti> ricotz: uploaded
[09:22] <ricotz> pitti, thanks
[09:24] <GunnarHj> seb128: Hi Sebastien, any idea how to deal with bug 834523?
[09:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 834523 in gnome-control-center "Can't change the keyboard layout from a default install" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834523
[09:24] <seb128> not really, I assigned it to rodrigo
[09:25] <seb128> ideally we could move that tab to the keyboard config capplet
[09:27] <pitti> seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/lp/
[09:27] <seb128> pitti, danke
[09:27] <pitti> evo is translated again
[09:27] <pitti> restarting desktop to check
[09:29] <GunnarHj> seb128: What about the current gnome-keyboard-properties?
[09:30] <pitti> seb128: work fine here; I'll build the sources and upload, so that they are in unapproved
[09:45] <seb128> pitti, does "gnome-menus2" works as a name for you?
[09:45] <pitti> sure; it's just temporary, I'm not picky
[09:46] <seb128> pitti, ok, uploaded
[09:46] <seb128> pitti, should be in new in 3 minutes
[09:49] <GunnarHj> seb128: As I mentioned yesterday, I'd like to see https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/gnome-control-center/langfix/+merge/72792 in b1, but haven't seen Rodrigo around today. Can you possibly sponsor that MP?
[09:52] <seb128> GunnarHj, can you put it down on the sponsoring section of http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/oneiric-desktop
[09:56] <ricotz> pitti, sorry, but gnome-shell sticks in the queue and needs to be approved
[09:57] <pitti> ricotz: yeah, will get to it, still fiddlign langpacsk
[09:57] <pitti> erk typing
[09:57] <ricotz> pitti, no problem, ty
[09:59] <seb128> pitti, ok, sorry, gnome-menus really uploaded with the orig this time
[10:03] <seb128> pitti, langpack update works fine for me
[10:03] <pitti> seb128: merci
[10:05] <seb128> pitti, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=gnome-menus2
[10:05] <pitti> seb128: will look in a bit, thanks
[10:05] <seb128> yw
[10:05] <pitti> last langpacks are uploading
[10:32] <pitti> chrisccoulson: can you please have a look at the beta-1 items on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-default-email-client and close/postpone/move them to b2 as appropriate?
[10:34] <pitti> RAOF: at this point I guess we have decided to keep nouveau 3d?
[10:35] <pitti> RAOF: "[raof] Evaluate whether to retain nouveau 3d, some time after kernel freeze: TODO"
[10:36] <pitti> RAOF: I assume this is "DONE" and we'Re goign to keep it; please flip back if that's still open
[10:37] <chrisccoulson> pitti - sure
[10:37] <chrisccoulson> urgh, the glib build timed out :/
[10:37] <chrisccoulson> ^^ seb128
[10:37] <pitti> uh, that again?
[10:37] <pitti> we might do a retry
[10:37] <seb128> yeah, retry it
[10:38] <seb128> testsuite hang again?
[10:38] <seb128> desrt will cry
[10:38] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, seems to be
[10:38] <seb128> can you save the build log?
[10:38] <seb128> in case desrt wants to see it
[10:38] <pitti> kicked
[10:38] <pitti> oh argh
[10:38] <pitti> sorry
[10:38] <bryceh> pitti, yeah there's been a deafening silence for 3d issues with nouveau.  seems pretty solid
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i've saved that
[10:39] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks
[10:39] <seb128> pitti, no worry ^
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> i had it open in my browser ;)
[10:39] <pitti> ah, good
[10:41] <pitti> chrisccoulson: "drop version specific install path from firefox (/usr/lib/firefox-5.0) so that defaults packages don't break with every update" -> moving that to b2
[10:41] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, i'll probably end up doing that slightly differently, and just giving you a stable path for the distribution.ini
[10:41] <chrisccoulson> that's all you need isn't it?
[10:42] <pitti> chrisccoulson: right
[10:42] <pitti> chrisccoulson: what was wrong with /usr/lib/firefox/ ?
[10:48] <pitti> hm, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-dx-o-compiz looks a little thin
[10:49] <pitti> dbarth: ^ do you know what the purpose of this was?
[10:51] <seb128> pitti, it was the compiz work for the o cycle
[10:51] <seb128> pitti, the spec is mostly done now, unitydialog and gsettings got deferred
[10:51] <pitti> seb128: right, but "provide a tested tarball" isn't very clear
[10:51] <pitti> the gsettings migration is
[10:51] <pitti> ok, so "tested tarball: done", "gsettings: postponed"?
[10:51] <seb128> pitti, it was "get a tarball with the new things"
[10:51] <seb128> pitti, yes
[10:51] <pitti> thanks
[10:52] <seb128> yw
[10:52] <dbarth> pitti: checking
[10:52] <pitti> dbarth: ^ seb128 just answered
[10:52] <dbarth> yes, most of that has been deferred
[10:53] <dbarth> i updated the bp
[10:54] <pitti> ah, me too; but your's should be more precise
[10:54] <pitti> chrisccoulson: "Evaluate moon build-depend on xulrunner-dev, switch to firefox-dev if appropriate or drop"
[10:54] <pitti> chrisccoulson: that's marked as "blocked"; what's the blocker here?
[10:54] <chrisccoulson> pitti - bug 798941
[10:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 798941 in moon "moon FTBFS in oneiric with libav 0.7" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/798941
[10:54] <pitti> seems moon has zero rdepends in oneiric
[10:54] <pitti> so we could remove it
[10:55] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it seems people aren't that bothered about fixing it
[10:55] <Laney> kill it lots and hard
[10:55] <pitti> can I kill, can I kill?
[10:56] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ^
[10:56] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, feel free
[10:56]  * pitti locks and loads
[10:57] <pitti> chrisccoulson: closed bug and WI
[10:58] <chrisccoulson> excellent, thanks
[10:58] <pitti> need to get our WIs down, so I'm cleaning up
[10:58] <Laney> 49 packages?
[10:59] <pitti> Laney: yes, that includes all binaries times all arches
[10:59] <Laney> ah, makes sense
[11:10] <tjaalton> hrm, is there a bug about 'alt' opening some kind of a switcher, breaking alt-arrow?
[11:11] <Sweetshark> pitti: libreoffice_3.4.2-2ubuntu2_source.changes ready for upload (l10n is still testbuilding)
[11:11] <pitti> Sweetshark: yippie
[11:14] <pitti> Checksum doesn't match for /home/pitti/libreoffice_3.4.2-2ubuntu2.debian.tar.gz
[11:14] <pitti> erm, what?
[11:14] <Sweetshark> hmm
[11:15] <pitti> hang on
[11:15] <jbicha> oh you killed moonlight?
[11:16] <Sweetshark> pitti: arrgh, I did a bin build after the source build. mom, Ill upload the original.
[11:16] <jbicha> some people use that but I guess they can get it from the website
[11:17] <pitti> jbicha: yeah; FTBFS, using old xulrunner, nobody wanting to fix it
[11:19] <pitti> Sweetshark: uploaded
[11:19] <Sweetshark> pitti: thanks
[11:19] <pitti> Sweetshark: want me to wait with l10n?
[11:20] <jbicha> yeah, it's fine, the Desktop Guide actually mentions Moonlight so we'll just have to redirect users to the web
[11:20] <Sweetshark> pitti: yes
[11:20] <Sweetshark> pitti: pferde apotheke kotzen
[11:20] <pitti> Sweetshark: hm, must be some north German joke?
[11:21]  * pitti -> lunch, bbl
[11:21] <Sweetshark> pitti: http://www.sprichworte-und-zitate.de/ich-habe-schon-pferde-vor-der-apotheke-374/
[11:22] <pitti> Sweetshark: ah, heh :)
[11:28] <glatzor_> pitti, I have got another apport issue. Aptdaemon forks to apply the changes. it seems that if the child crashes (tiggered by a dpkg failure) an apport report is created for the crashed child
[11:28] <glatzor_> pitti, lp: #834379
[11:28] <glatzor_> pitti, the bug has so many duplicates that launchpad cannot handle opening the master bug page anymore :)
[11:51] <tjaalton> seriously, anyone running the current unity?-)
[11:51] <tjaalton> alt-arrow doesn't work anymore
[11:52] <tjaalton> sorry, ctrl-alt-arrow
[11:52] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: argh, you're right
[11:52] <tjaalton> \o/
[11:54] <soren> Works for me, but I've got sort of a frankendesktop thing going on here, I guess.
[11:55] <soren> Oh, and I seem to be lagging behind on updates. /ignore me
[11:56] <tjaalton> heh
[11:57] <tjaalton> mouse shortcuts for moving are broken as well
[11:58] <soren> Oh dear.
[11:58] <soren> That's going to suck.
[11:59] <mdeslaur> pitti: I have a package ready to upload to fix bug 824188
[11:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 824188 in gnome-settings-daemon "screen does not lock when closing lid until after you open lid again" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/824188
[12:05] <seb128> tjaalton, works for me on my 2 boxes with normal accounts and guest session
[12:05] <seb128> mdeslaur, upload
[12:05] <mdeslaur> seb128: thanks
[12:05] <seb128> mdeslaur, they will review it from the queue, bug fixes are fine today
[12:05] <tjaalton> seb128: 4.10.2?
[12:06] <seb128> tjaalton, yes, I did package it, I made sure to test it before uploading and the archive version once it built ;-)
[12:06] <tjaalton> oh you did ;)
[12:06] <ricotz> seb128, hi, i updated vala to 0.13.3 (see pad) is there a FFe bug needed?
[12:07] <seb128> ricotz, hey, no, not sure if they will let it in before beta1 or not though, to check with pitti
[12:07] <seb128> ricotz, but thanks
[12:08] <ricotz> seb128, ok, you pinged him now, so might take a look
[12:09] <seb128> ricotz, well in any case we can just upload, if it's not ok it willl sit in the queue until after beta1
[12:09] <seb128> thanks for the work, I will review it later today
[12:09] <ricotz> seb128, alright, it is a simple uupdate, no other changes needed
[12:14] <pitti> re
[12:14] <pitti> tjaalton: I use ctrl+alt+arrow to switch workspaces, works here
[12:14] <tjaalton> tjaalton: me too, doesn't work on my own sessions on two machines, guest session _is_ fine
[12:15] <tjaalton> if I press alt, I get the switcher
[12:15] <pitti> glatzor_: ah, so the child is intended to throw an exception?
[12:15] <pitti> glatzor_: we could add a package hook to just ignore SystemErrors thrown by aptdaemon, would that help?
[12:18] <seb128> tjaalton, stop talking to yourself ;-)
[12:18] <tjaalton> ok, if "key to flip through windows in the switcher" has the default value (<Alt>grave), it's broken
[12:18] <tjaalton> seb128: ^:)
[12:18] <seb128> tjaalton, did you change the launcher key to alt in ccsm?
[12:18] <tjaalton> if I disable that shortcut, things work
[12:19] <seb128> tjaalton, talk to DBO when he comes online
[12:19] <tjaalton> so, maybe it depends on your keymap? what the heck is grave anyway, in this context
[12:19] <seb128> it's his doing
[12:19] <seb128> it's supposed to be the key on top of tab
[12:19] <tjaalton> ok will do
[12:19] <seb128> but I think he didn't get the smart logic for that yet
section here
[12:19] <seb128> so it's the key on top of tab on an us layout :p
[12:19] <tjaalton> why of course :)
[12:20] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: ^ can you verify?
[12:21] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: sorry, you want me to verify what exactly?
[12:22] <mdeslaur> as soon as I press ant, I get the window switcher
[12:22] <mdeslaur> s/ant/alt/
[12:22] <glatzor_> pitti, the main process could also be killed by a SystemError. Unluckily python-apt uses SystemErrors for all exceptions
[12:22] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: if you have ccsm installed, try disabling the shortcut I mentioned
[12:22] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: from unity switcher settings
[12:22] <seb128> tjaalton, could you open a bug?
[12:22] <tjaalton> seb128: sure!
[12:23] <seb128> thanks
[12:23] <tjaalton> what does 'grave' the symbol look like?
[12:23] <tjaalton> oh wait
[12:23] <tjaalton> I have a laptop with us layout
[12:23] <mdeslaur> I'm trying to find it in ccsm
[12:24] <seb128> mdeslaur, unity, second tab, bottom option
[12:25] <glatzor_> pitti, is there a way in the package-hooks to ignore crashes?
[12:26] <mdeslaur> even if I disable that, as soon as I hit ctrl-alt, the window switcher appears
[12:26] <mdeslaur> of course, ccsm is crashing, so I don't know if it actually does save the session
[12:26] <seb128> it should apply when you change the setting
[12:26] <pitti> glatzor_: the main one is report['UnreportableReason'] = 'explanation'
[12:27] <seb128> does it work in a guest session? if you don't mind redoing your setting, unity --reset
[12:27] <mdeslaur> seb128: ok, well, it's "disabled" now, and I still can't ctrl-alt-arrow
[12:27] <pitti> glatzor_: as we present it as a crash, we need to explain why it suddenly isn't one
[12:27] <pitti> it's a little awkward, we can't prevent the crash from being reported right away, short of not throwing an exception in the first place
[12:28] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: when you disabled that, your alt key doesn't immediately bring up the window switcher anymore?
[12:28] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: no, it's enough to fix it for me
[12:28] <tjaalton> though I don't understand why a guest session would be fine
[12:28] <mdeslaur> ok, it's not enough for me
[12:28] <tjaalton> since it's the same layout there
[12:28] <seb128> did any of you want to try unity --reset?
[12:29] <glatzor_> pitti, so the user stil gets the dialog?
[12:29] <seb128> it will reset your compiz config
[12:29] <pitti> glatzor_: yes
[12:29] <seb128> including keybindings
[12:29] <pitti> glatzor_: we haven't had such a special case so far; I guess we need to invent something to prevent reports in these case
[12:29] <mdeslaur> seb128: after a unity --reset, just pressing alt still brings up the window switcher
[12:30] <seb128> glatzor_, pitti: or get the software to catch the signal?
[12:30] <seb128> mdeslaur, ok, talk to DBO when he joins please ;-)
[12:30] <pitti> that's a little tricky, the dbus server tosses it out there, dbus marshalls it, and the client gets it passed
[12:30] <pitti> so the client has to intercept it, but the server still appears to throw an exception
[12:31] <pitti> glatzor_: I wonder whether it would generally be a good idea to ignore DBusExceptions
[12:31] <pitti> as they will usually be marshalled and sent client-wards
[12:31] <pitti> hm, but then we'd miss clients who don't handle them properly
[12:32] <pitti> damn, unity just FTBFSed again on armel
[12:32] <pitti> dbarth ^
[12:32] <pitti> that causes unity-2d to be uninstallable
[12:32] <glatzor_> pitti, I can live with the few bug reports about valid DBusExceptions currently that I get for aptdaemon and session-installer
[12:32] <tjaalton> no 'grave' in fi, but dead_grave
[12:33] <glatzor_> pitti, but the forked child produces several duplicates a day
[12:33] <soren> mdeslaur: I have the same problem as you.
[12:33] <mdeslaur> soren: as soon as you press alt, the switcher pops up?
[12:33] <soren> mdeslaur: Yes.
[12:33] <glatzor_> seb128, but a good idea to just not crash the child. I will have a look into this
[12:33] <soren> mdeslaur: Even after unity --reset.
[12:33] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: you can try disabling the other shortcuts
[12:34] <seb128> try using an us layout?
[12:34] <seb128> just to see if that "fixes" it
[12:34] <pitti> glatzor_: hm, it coudl perhaps just reset sys.excepthook to the default?
[12:34] <tjaalton> I'll try the guest session to see what's going on there
[12:34] <pitti> glatzor_: as we know that we don't want apport reports for crashes in the child, that would disable apport in these
[12:35]  * mdeslaur hates clicking on "keyboard" in system settings just to find out it's not the right place for keyboard layouts
[12:35] <glatzor_> seb128, pitti, Oh, I just checked the code. the child doesn't crash blindly. but calls os._exit(ERROR_CODE)
[12:36] <mdeslaur> seb128: uhm...there's no way to configure the keyboard anymore?
[12:36] <mdeslaur> seb128: language support is now our own thing instead of the upstream one, and there's no keyboard layout tab in it anymore
[12:36] <soren> mdeslaur: I use an applet for that.
[12:36] <seb128> mdeslaur, oh, suck :-( it's bug #834523
[12:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 834523 in gnome-control-center "Can't change the keyboard layout from a default install" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834523
[12:37] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: yep, it's gone
[12:37] <mdeslaur> \o/
[12:37] <tjaalton> but! I know how to make it b0rked for the guest session too
[12:37] <tjaalton> the shortcut works fine, until you touch it
[12:38] <pitti> glatzor_: sys.excepthook = sys.__excepthook__ at the start of the child ought to work
[12:38] <tjaalton> and if you reset to the default, it's broken
[12:38] <soren> mdeslaur: Oh.
[12:38] <tjaalton> "touch it" meaning changing it to something else and then revert to default
[12:38] <soren> mdeslaur: It worked if I disabled the <Alt>grave shortcut.
[12:38] <mdeslaur> soren: you just set it to disabled and it worked?
[12:38] <soren> Yes.
[12:38] <soren> Ah.
[12:39] <tjaalton> I remember playing with the setting some day, trying to make the new alt-tab suit my needs
[12:39] <soren> Iguess that sort of makes sense.
[12:39] <soren> I have no "grave" key.
[12:39] <soren> At all.
[12:39] <pitti> dbarth, seb128: oh, there's even a fix for the ftbfs in bug 834576 -- can we cherrypick this?
[12:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 834576 in unity "ARM FTBFS fix" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834576
[12:39] <tjaalton> but it's a mystery why the laptop has it too, since I haven't done the same there
[12:39] <soren> I have a dead_grave.
[12:39] <pitti> dbarth, seb128: or want me to upload this?
[12:39] <pitti> we really need to get this building to unscrew arm
[12:39] <mdeslaur> oh! it just worked for me now
[12:39] <seb128> pitti, no please don't
[12:39] <soren> mdeslaur: So since it's a non-existent key, it just ignores it, I imagine.
[12:39] <mdeslaur> ok, so setting it to disabled now worked for me
[12:39] <seb128> pitti, cf what I said to janimo before, I'm going to upload with some other selected bug fixes
[12:40] <pitti> seb128: ah, good
[12:40] <seb128> pitti, just waiting for a few fixes to get reviewed and land
[12:40] <mdeslaur> yeah, a french canadian keyboard has no grave either
[12:40] <seb128> pitti, it will be in the next hour
[12:40] <soren> Using grave is also a very poor choice. I doubt very many non-English key maps have that key right there.
[12:40] <kenvandine> good morning everyone
[12:40] <pitti> seb128: ok, as long as you can include this, I'm happy
[12:40] <mdeslaur> seb128: alt-grave = FAIL :P
[12:40] <seb128> tjaalton, mdeslaur, soren: tjaalton said he would open a bug, I will get DBO to look at it when he's online
[12:40] <pitti> hey kenvandine
[12:40] <tjaalton> seb128: guest sessions remains broken even after unity --reset
[12:40] <seb128> pitti, it's planned ;-)
[12:41] <soren> seb128: *hugs*
[12:41] <tjaalton> ok I'll file one now
[12:41] <mdeslaur> seb128: tanks!
[12:41] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: thanks
[12:41] <soren> Oh, this is so much more useful now :)
[12:41] <seb128> mdeslaur, soren, tjaalton: did the issue started with yesterday update for you?
[12:42] <tjaalton> seb128: yes, after I ran todays updates
[12:42] <tjaalton> and rebooted
[12:42] <mdeslaur> seb128: I hadn't noticed, as I mostly use the workspace switcher button with my mouse
[12:42] <soren> seb128: I believe so. it wasn't a problem before my upgrade this morning. I may have been about a day and a half behind on updates.
[12:42] <seb128> ok, thanks
[12:44] <glatzor_> pitti, thanks. reseting the excepthook is a good workaround
[12:45] <pitti> glatzor_: actually, I think it's not just a workaround, but the right thing to do there
[12:47] <seb128> pitti, did you get your theming to break today?
[12:47] <seb128> or others?
[12:47] <pitti> seb128: no, it's actually working again!
[12:48] <seb128> hum, k
[12:48] <seb128> it broke for me ;-)
[12:48] <seb128> will need to look at it
[12:48]  * soren too
[12:51] <glatzor_> pitti, thanks. right.
[12:52] <seb128> pitti, how much do you need to unscrew armel early?
[12:52] <pitti> seb128: it takes some 4 hours to build, then unity-2d
[12:52] <seb128> pitti, or said differently "want an upload now with what we have an maybe an upload in 3 hours with extra bug fixes"?
[12:52] <pitti> seb128: I think we need a built unity-2d on Monday
[12:52] <pitti> seb128: 3 h seems fine
[12:53] <seb128> pitti, ok, so I will wait for the fixes to land rather than doing 2 uploads
[12:54] <tjaalton> soren, mdeslaur, seb128: filed bug 834684
[12:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 834684 in unity "Switcher shortcut to flip through windows breaks on !us layouts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834684
[12:54] <seb128> tjaalton, thanks
[12:55] <dbarth> pitti, seb128: yes, go ahead as a distro patch please
[12:55] <dbarth> i'm commenting to ask the patch to go through the regular code review process
[12:56] <seb128> dbarth, the patch is in trunk already
[12:57] <seb128> dbarth, don't worry, I'm just waiting on some dnd fixes to land before doing the backports
[12:58] <dbarth> ok, cool
[13:01] <GunnarHj> seb128: Added the MP link to the pad (didn't know about the pad)
[13:02] <ricotz> seb128, fyi, i am going to upload totem 3.1.4 to my staging ppa
[13:02] <seb128> GunnarHj, thanks
[13:03] <seb128> ricotz, can you do it in the gnome3 ppa rather?
[13:03] <ricotz> mhh, right, could need some testing before though
[13:04] <ricotz> i will keep in staging for now
[13:04] <glatzor_> pitti, I prepared a new upload in lp:~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/ubuntu-oneiric - also fixed an overflow error
[13:05] <glatzor_> pitti, the test suite doesn't complain about any errors
[13:20] <pitti> YIPPIE YIPPIE YAY!
[13:20] <pitti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20110826.1/
[13:20] <pitti> seb128, chrisccoulson: ^ check out the size
[13:20] <seb128> space \o/
[13:21] <seb128> pitti, what did you do?:!
[13:21] <pitti> seb128: just refreshed the langpacks, to have empty delta ones
[13:21] <seb128> it's down over 10mb
[13:21] <chrisccoulson> pitti - nice!
[13:21] <seb128> seems over what lp should have
[13:21] <seb128> pitti, can we bring pitivi back on? ;-)
[13:21] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, ^^
[13:21] <pitti> glatzor_: darn, forgot to push my release tag last time
[13:21] <m_conley> woo! :)
[13:21] <pitti> glatzor_: but seems you did that for me
[13:22] <m_conley> great job!
[13:24] <pitti> seb128: at some point yes; but let's keep the 4 MB of slack space for the remaining growth until final
[13:24] <seb128> ok
[13:27] <chrisccoulson> hopefully there won't be much more growth ;)
[13:38]  * desrt cries
[13:39] <desrt> chrisccoulson: i was having a good morning.  why did you have to ruin it?
[13:39] <chrisccoulson> heh
[13:39] <chrisccoulson> sorry ;)
[13:40] <desrt> got a log?
[13:43] <chrisccoulson> desrt, the whole build log is here - http://paste.ubuntu.com/675251/
[13:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey ;-)
[13:47] <seb128> ups
[13:47] <seb128> desrt, hey ;-)
[13:47] <chrisccoulson> lol
[13:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, don't get scared I've no work for you :p
[14:14] <pitti> ah, just ordered a new mobile phone
[14:14] <pitti> seems my trusty old G1 has finally broken down :(
[14:14] <pitti> chrisccoulson, kenvandine: ^ but I guess it survived your's by quite a bit
[14:14] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i think my G1 still works
[14:15] <chrisccoulson> i just don't use it anymore ;)
[14:15] <seb128> pitti, which one did you get?
[14:15] <pitti> I can't connect to the network any more, not even for phone
[14:15] <pitti> seb128: Sony Xperia mini pro
[14:15] <pitti> again with a slider keyboard
[14:15] <pitti> http://www.androidhandys.com/2011/05/sony-ericsson-erneuert-xperia-mini-und-xperia-mini-pro/
[14:15] <pitti> seems like a nice device
[14:15] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i miss not having a real keyboard on my handset
[14:16] <kenvandine> pitti, indeed
[14:16] <kenvandine> mine died over a year ago :)
[14:16] <kenvandine> well "died"... i bricked it :)
[14:16] <kenvandine> never flash the radio while holding a sleeping baby
[14:16] <kenvandine> lesson learned
[14:17] <mdeslaur> hehehe
[14:17] <pitti> lol
[14:17] <pitti> I still remember the pain for rooting the g1
[14:17] <pitti> I guess now I need to do it all over again
[14:17] <pitti> or do they lock it down less these days?
[14:18] <mdeslaur> pitti: they've increased the pain level :P
[14:21] <pitti> mdeslaur: http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/how-to-rootunroot-sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-and-x10-mini-with-a-single-click/ doesn't seem very painful
[14:21] <pitti> but let's see
[14:23] <mdeslaur> pitti: oh! If that one still works, that means your model phone hasn't gotten android updates in a while
[14:23] <mdeslaur> cool
[14:23] <pitti> mdeslaur: I don't know -- I just ordered it, will get it next Tuesday or so
[14:24] <pitti> might very well be that 2.3 locks that down (it comes with 2.3)
[14:24] <pitti> Sweetshark: armel FTBFS> doko says that's expected
[14:24] <pitti>  doko | pitti: lo will ftbfs on armel, gcj-4.6 is not yet built
[14:24] <pitti> so I guess we can re-try once gcj is built
[14:25] <pitti> argh, ppc failed, too
[14:26] <Sweetshark> pitti: yes, ppc failed before and I could investigate on the porter box, because I could install deps (they 404'ed in apt)
[14:28] <pitti> ah, the chroot needs an apt-get update, I figure
[14:37] <Sweetshark> pitti: l10n still building here btw
[15:00] <desrt> chrisccoulson: i think this is an issue we've had for a while with that one particular test
[15:00] <desrt> my guess is that it's a bug in the test itself
[15:21] <Sweetshark> pitti: k, I found the issue in the ppc log -- its the same root cause as the armel breaker -- the same fix should work there too.
[15:22] <pitti> Sweetshark: I don't understand -- I thought with this upload armel should build (once gcj lands)?
[15:24] <Sweetshark> yes, the fix is a if-on-armel-dont-do-this-dark-magic fix
[15:24] <pitti> aah
[15:24] <Sweetshark> making that an if-on-armel-or-ppc-dont-do-this-dark-magic fix
[15:24] <Sweetshark> should do
[15:27] <Sweetshark> pitti: fyi http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?h=distro/ubuntu/oneiric-3.4
[15:28] <nxvl> RAOF: still around?
[15:28] <pitti> Sweetshark: it must be a special kind of fun to maintain all these workarounds..
[15:29] <Sweetshark> pitti: Yes, it is a special place in hell.
[15:30] <nxvl> seems, not, so i have an issue with unity, for some reason, when i start unity 3D i get it to kinda open, but it seems to open nautilius and crash or something, i only get a top nautilius menu bar, but not the unity stuff (as in left bar, notification area, etc)
[15:30] <nxvl> is that known bug or my system is spiting at me once again?
[15:32] <nxvl> (unity2D works fine, and i've no idea why i have gnome3 installed and works too)
[15:34] <nxvl> also it seems that it opens network manager, since y get the notification that i'm connected to the wireless, but still no side panels for unity are shown
[15:35] <seb128> mterry, hey
[15:35] <seb128> mterry, could you have a look to bug #834701
[15:35] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 834701 in unity-greeter "greeter regression, no longer allowing flavours to customize the greeter" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834701
[15:35] <pitti> Sweetshark: do you have a rough estimate of -l10n? I'll be AFK in about an hour
[15:40] <cyphermox> seb128: you aware of rodigo's work on folks, disabling libsocialweb backend? I'd like to do a rebuild of folks to get it off the list of NBS for libedataserver, just making sure that disabling is really meant to be uploaded now ;)
[15:43] <Sweetshark> pitti: yes, I have: ETA now. I have a blue bulb in my local jenkins install (read: build success)
[15:43] <pitti> \o/
[15:43] <pitti> Sweetshark: want me to dput?
[15:44] <Sweetshark> pitti: yes
[15:44] <pitti> rockin'
[15:44] <pitti> done
[15:45] <seb128> cyphermox, no I'm not, maybe kenvandine has an opinion
[15:45] <Sweetshark> pitti: since we have already put lo_3.4.2-2ubuntu2 we cant fix ppc without a new upload anyway.
[15:45] <pitti> Sweetshark: right, but we won't need a new -l10n for that, do we?
[15:45] <kenvandine> cyphermox, because nothing really needed it
[15:45] <cyphermox> ok
[15:46] <kenvandine> cyphermox, and it is in universe
[15:46] <cyphermox> fair enough
[15:48] <cyphermox> kenvandine: thanks
[15:49] <kenvandine> cyphermox, np
[15:49] <Sweetshark> pitti: no
[15:50] <Sweetshark> pitti: l10n only builds on i386
[15:50] <pitti> Sweetshark: right, I meant there are no overly strong dependencies of libo to -l10n
[15:51] <Sweetshark> pitti: although, it would break for somebody doing "apt-get source" and try to build l10n
[15:51] <Sweetshark> pitti: hmm, there arent in code, but they might be in the control file
[15:53] <DBO> ping tjaalton
[15:54] <DBO> ping soren
[15:54] <Sweetshark> pitti: no versioned deps on libreoffice-l10n packages from lo source package
[15:56] <rickspencer3> pitti, awesome post on the new retracer
[15:57] <pitti> thanks
[15:58] <pitti> rickspencer3: unfortunately photobomb never crashes, so you can't try it
[15:58] <rickspencer3> lol
[15:58] <rickspencer3> well, I'm working on a new app now
[15:58] <rickspencer3> it will sell at least twice as much as photohomb
[15:59] <rickspencer3> pitti, seb128, I actually have a question for you guys if you have a moment
[15:59] <seb128> hey rickspencer3
[15:59] <pitti> rickspencer3: go ahead; (I'm just in a meeting, so might be a little slow)
[15:59] <rickspencer3> so, I hear through the grapevine that due to the gnome3 transition a lot of apps won'
[15:59] <rickspencer3> t build
[15:59] <rickspencer3> I guess this is in Universe
[16:00] <seb128> rickspencer3, yes
[16:00] <rickspencer3> so, when we get to ship 11.10 what happens with these apps? do they just not show up in sc, are the natty versions in sc?
[16:00] <seb128> rickspencer3, we either fix those or drop those from oneiric
[16:01] <rickspencer3> seb128, do they get dropped automatically, or does someone have to do something to drop them?
[16:01] <seb128> rickspencer3, the archive admins have to clean those
[16:01] <pitti> rickspencer3: we have to drop them manually
[16:01] <rickspencer3> thanks guys
[16:02] <rickspencer3> til
[16:02] <seb128> rickspencer3, yw
[16:05] <seb128> brb
[16:05] <tjaalton> DBO: pong
[16:06] <DBO> tjaalton, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/834684
[16:06] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 834684 in unity "Switcher shortcut to flip through windows breaks on !us layouts" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:06] <DBO> I dont understand what you are trying to describe here
[16:06] <DBO> can you try to explain it to me?
[16:06] <tjaalton> the shortcut '<Alt>grave' doesnt' work
[16:07] <tjaalton> in fact, it breaks other things
[16:07] <tjaalton> since just hitting alt makes the switcher appeear
[16:07] <tjaalton> -a
[16:07] <tjaalton> eh, -e
[16:07] <DBO> so
[16:07] <DBO> if you change the keybinding to say alt-6
[16:07] <tjaalton> it works
[16:07] <DBO> in ccsm
[16:07] <DBO> what does that do?
[16:08] <tjaalton> it changes the shortcut to something that works for me
[16:08] <DBO> okay so the problem is the default?
[16:09] <tjaalton> 'fi' layout doesn't even have grave
[16:09] <tjaalton> right
[16:09] <DBO> right
[16:09] <DBO> can you test trunk when I ask?
[16:09] <tjaalton> of unity?
[16:09] <DBO> yesh
[16:09] <DBO> what is the key above tab on your system btw?
[16:09] <tjaalton> sure, maybe not today though :)
[16:09] <tjaalton> 'section'
[16:09] <DBO> tjaalton, what if I just ask you to download a branch and run a test in it
[16:09] <DBO> so just build and run a test app
[16:10] <DBO> tjaalton, wtf is the section key?
[16:10] <pitti> rickspencer3: blogging> ooh, pygame? nice
[16:10] <tjaalton> DBO: §
[16:10] <DBO> oh okay
[16:11] <rickspencer3> thanks pitti
[16:11] <DBO> tjaalton, so test a simple test program for me then in 20 or 30 minutes
[16:11] <DBO> to confirm that it spits out the section key for you
[16:11] <tjaalton> DBO: ok
[16:11] <tjaalton> but I think it's going to break for others
[16:11] <DBO> tjaalton, I am using xkeyboard to find the key
[16:11] <DBO> using the keyboard geometry
[16:12] <DBO> step 1, find tab key
[16:12] <DBO> step 2, find key above tab key
[16:12] <tjaalton> ok so you can map layout->key
[16:12] <DBO> right, and this way we shouldn't have to worry about different layouts
[16:12] <tjaalton> ah, in the unity code?
[16:12] <DBO> yeah
[16:12] <tjaalton> ok sounds better :)
[16:19] <pitti> good night everyone, have a nice weekend!
[16:20] <seb128> 'night pitti
[16:32] <seb128> mterry, hey
[16:32] <seb128> mterry, did you see my ping before?
[16:33] <mterry> seb128, yah, sorry
[16:33] <seb128> mterry, could you look at bug #833619 also?
[16:33] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 833619 in unity-greeter "unity-greeter crashed with SIGSEGV in FT_Set_Transform()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/833619
[16:45] <DBO> are we getting the background changy thing for the greeter?
[16:49] <mterry> seb128, sorry, realized I didn't ACK you second time either  :)  I'm looking
[16:49] <seb128> mterry, no worry, thanks
[16:50] <seb128> DBO: that's a question for robert_ancell, but good point, I forgot to check with him about it
[17:13] <dbarth> seb128, pitti: with the new langpacks that have been uploaded, can i consider that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/832634 is fixed, except for the uninstalled apps part?
[17:13] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 832634 in unity "Application search results in the dash are not localized" [High,Confirmed]
[17:14] <dbarth> ie, there may still be an issue in how we query the database, but for the rest it seems that the locale settings are set correctly
[17:14] <seb128> dbarth, yes, it's mostly fixed
[17:14] <dbarth> ok
[17:44] <seb128> ok
[17:45] <seb128> if some people got their theming broken in oneiric yersterday you can try to set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings active to true
[17:45] <seb128> it seems to be false for some configs after upgrade
[17:45] <seb128> not sure why
[17:48] <seb128> well, most of the list got unset, weird
[17:51] <seb128> pedro_, hey
[17:52] <seb128> pedro_, could you upstream the few g-c-c and g-s-d segfaults where I added an upstream component?
[17:52] <pedro_> seb128, sure, i'm doing some cleanup there so i'll be sending those after
[17:52] <seb128> pedro_, thanks
[17:52] <pedro_> you're welcome
[18:19] <DBO> tjaalton, present?
[18:23] <tjaalton> DBO: somewhat
[18:23] <DBO> I need you to run a test, it will just print some debug
[18:25] <tjaalton> sure
[18:26] <DBO> tjaalton, lp:~unity-team/unity/unity.keyboard-util
[18:26] <DBO> if oyu pull down that branch and build it (I can help with that if needed)
[18:26] <DBO> there will be a executable in the tests directory
[18:26] <tjaalton> checkout running
[18:26] <DBO> test-keyutil
[18:26] <DBO> if you run that, it should spew a bunch of stuff on your console
[18:26] <tjaalton> 3kB/s, whee
[18:28] <mterry> Just FYI, I have to sign off a tad early today
[18:29] <tjaalton> DBO: ok, cmake.. ?
[18:30] <DBO> tjaalton, mkdir build; cd build; cmake ..
[18:30] <tjaalton> running
[18:30] <DBO> mterry, but how will you work all weekend if you sign off?
[18:31] <mterry> DBO, ssshh
[18:32] <tjaalton> DBO: hm, no output from cmake?
[18:32] <tjaalton> or did it just hang
[18:33] <DBO> you ran "cmake .."
[18:33] <DBO> from inside the build dir right?
[18:33] <tjaalton> yes
[18:33] <DBO> if you do ls
[18:33] <DBO> is there anything?
[18:33] <tjaalton> : tjaalton@nexus6:~/tmp/unity.keyboard-util/build> find
[18:33] <tjaalton> .
[18:33] <tjaalton> ./CMakeFiles
[18:33] <tjaalton> ./CMakeFiles/CMakeOutput.log
[18:33] <tjaalton> ./CMakeFiles/CMakeSystem.cmake
[18:34] <DBO> thats awesome...
[18:34] <chrisccoulson> g'ah, i'm going to have to do another freaking thunderbird upload
[18:34] <tjaalton> :)
[18:34] <tjaalton> yeah it didn't get far
[18:34] <tjaalton> chrisccoulson: yep :)
[18:34] <chrisccoulson> that's another armel builder wasted for a whole day!
[18:35] <DBO> tjaalton, anything interesting in th elog file?
[18:36] <tjaalton> "The system is: Linux - 3.0.0-9-generic - x86_64"
[18:36] <tjaalton> nothing else
[18:37] <DBO> O_o
[18:37] <DBO> tjaalton, sudo apt-get build-dep unity
[18:37] <DBO> make sure we're not missing something...
[18:38] <tjaalton> whoa, a lot of stuff
[18:41] <tjaalton> the same
[18:43] <DBO> are you running amd64?
[18:44] <tjaalton> yes
[18:44] <DBO> hmmm okay hold on
[18:44] <tjaalton> this is where strace stops http://paste.ubuntu.com/675448/
[18:44] <tjaalton> hum
[18:45] <tjaalton> why is there a space in the paths?
[18:45] <DBO> tjaalton, no gcc installed maybe?
[18:45] <DBO> sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[18:45] <tjaalton> is installed
[18:45] <DBO> kk...
[18:45] <DBO> why is it looking for " gcc" on your system
[18:46] <tjaalton> right
[18:46] <DBO> tjaalton, can I see env
[18:46] <tjaalton> hahaha
[18:46] <tjaalton> CC= gcc
[18:46] <tjaalton> why?! :)
[18:47] <DBO> i dont know
[18:47] <tjaalton> ok got it, it's from my zsh setup copied from elsewhere
[18:47] <DBO> fixit?
[18:47] <tjaalton> export CC="$CCACHE gcc"
[18:47] <tjaalton> yes, I'll try in a bit
[18:48] <DBO> Im running out of europeans with funny keyboards
[18:49] <tjaalton> ok built
[18:49] <tjaalton> though it didn't build test-keyutil
[18:51] <DBO> tjaalton, look in build/tests
[18:51] <tjaalton> test-get-transients test-input-remover test-minimize-window-handler
[18:52] <DBO> did you get build errors?
[18:52] <DBO> it should be in there
[18:52] <DBO> you can just go into tests
[18:52] <DBO> and run make
[18:52] <tjaalton> aah
[18:52] <tjaalton> I missed that part
[18:53] <DBO> well normally you dont have to
[18:53] <htorque> the test built fine here
[18:54] <DBO> I think tjaalton has zsh define a bunch of stuff for his env
[18:54] <htorque> DBO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/675458/
[18:54] <htorque> that's for german dead grave acute
[18:55] <DBO> htorque, do those results look correct to you?
[18:55] <DBO> (especially the tab key one)
[18:55] <tjaalton> well cmake complained about gtest and doxygen
[18:55] <kenvandine> disable docs
[18:56] <kenvandine> doxygen is huge
[18:56] <DBO> and install gtest
[18:56] <tjaalton> so if it stops there because of the failures?
[18:56] <tjaalton> I just ran make in tests
[18:56] <tjaalton> it's building now
[18:57] <tjaalton> DBO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/675462/
[18:58] <tjaalton> victory
[18:58] <htorque> well, there are a lot of keys above space :P - yeah, except for ctrl they look good, but that's due to the notebook keyboard layout
[18:58] <DBO> tjaalton, do those results look correct to you
[18:58] <tjaalton> all of them? let me see
[18:58] <DBO> tab especially, but yes all of them
[18:58] <DBO> htorque, whats wrong with the ctrl?
[18:59] <htorque> nothing really, i just have a Fn key below shift_l
[18:59] <htorque> directly above ctrl is "<>|"
[19:00] <DBO> htorque, ah
[19:00] <DBO> but the tab is correct?
[19:00] <tjaalton> yeah same here, but it's close enough
[19:00] <htorque> yes, asciicircum ^
[19:00] <tjaalton> I have a thinkpad usb keyboar
[19:00] <tjaalton> d
[19:00] <htorque> thinkpad here as well
[19:00] <DBO> oh joy
[19:02] <kenvandine> DBO, btw... my slow switcher on my intel desktop is no longer slow
[19:02] <kenvandine> DBO, so thanks!
[19:02] <DBO> htorque, if you want to go the final mile here
[19:02] <DBO> htorque, actually install that branch
[19:02] <DBO> and see if alt-asciicircum works for you
[19:02] <tjaalton> dash fadeout is rather slow on my 965
[19:02] <DBO> kenvandine, i know :)
[19:02] <DBO> tjaalton, how slow?
[19:03] <tjaalton> DBO: I can see the frames
[19:03] <tjaalton> takes a second or so
[19:03] <DBO> how long?
[19:03] <DBO> wow...
[19:03] <tjaalton> didn't measure
[19:03] <DBO> let me see if neil is doing this the dumb way...
[19:03] <tjaalton> not that long I guess :)
[19:03] <htorque> oh noes, i installed it without prefix=/usr >:(
[19:03] <DBO> make uninstall
[19:04] <tjaalton> DBO: thanks for fixing this the right way ;) I'll /away myself and hit the sofa
[19:04] <DBO> tjaalton, thanks for testing
[19:04] <htorque> DBO: will rebuild then, what should alt+^ do?
[19:05] <DBO> you'll see
[19:05] <DBO> its obvious
[19:05] <DBO> just make sure you keep holding alt
[19:05] <DBO> use it like oyu would alt-tab
[19:05] <Sarvatt> something in the unity build-deps is depending on packages that were removed in xcb-utils 3.8.0 and using old packages that shouldn't even be in the archive anymore (they were all merged into libxcb-util0-dev) http://paste.ubuntu.com/675471/
[19:06] <DBO> Sarvatt, poke seb or didrocks about that
[19:11] <DBO> common htorque... tell me it works
[19:11] <htorque> i'd love to, but nothing happens
[19:14] <htorque> DBO: but it looks like it's trying to do something as it's causing full load at one core
[19:14] <DBO> htorque, does alt-tab work?
[19:14] <htorque> yes
[19:14] <DBO> if while alt-tab is open
[19:14] <DBO> you press alt-^
[19:14] <DBO> does that do something?
[19:15] <htorque> nope, not even cause cpu load
[19:15] <DBO> sun of a biscuit...
[19:15] <htorque> let me restart the session
[19:17] <htorque> nothing
[19:18] <DBO> fudge, hold on
[19:23] <seb128> pedro_, still there?
[19:24] <pedro_> seb128, yup!
[19:24] <seb128> pedro_, http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-desktop/recent-package-bugs.html seems buggy
[19:24] <DBO> htorque, still with me?
[19:24] <seb128> pedro_, there is no way unity is under those listed
[19:25] <htorque> DBO: sure
[19:25] <DBO> htorque, almost got something to test
[19:26] <htorque> i wanted to try the branch on a second system, but that is borked ("trunked") right now
[19:26] <htorque> DBO: good, i'm almost compiling it ;)
[19:26] <kenvandine> seb128, what... you think unity has bugs? :-p
[19:26] <seb128> kenvandine, oh, I don't *think*, I *know* it ;-)
[19:26] <pedro_> seb128, unity? you mean you'd like to see it there? we're just tracking the products under 'desktop-packages' team
[19:27] <pedro_> and unity has no bugs of course
[19:27] <pedro_> ;-)
[19:27] <seb128> pedro_, ok, what is the url tracking the desktop-packages list?
[19:27] <seb128> ie gnome, dx and other desktopish?
[19:27] <pedro_> seb128, i've contacted the dx folks so they can create a team just for tracking their products so we can start creating those kind of reports for them
[19:27] <seb128> lol
[19:28] <pedro_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~desktop-packages/+packagebugs
[19:28] <seb128> "contacted dx to get something done"
[19:28] <pedro_> oh well
[19:28] <pedro_> :-)
[19:28] <seb128> you are new there? ;-)
[19:28] <seb128> dx never get anything done
[19:28]  * pedro_ singing la la la
[19:29] <kenvandine> it's like tedg reading bug mail
[19:43] <DBO> htorque, I dont want you to be stuck waiting
[19:43] <DBO> I cant seem to find the issue right now
[19:44] <htorque> DBO: no worries, i'll be around for a couple of hours
[19:51] <soren> DBO: pong
[19:51] <DBO> soren, nothing now, thanks :)
[21:00] <achiang> hello, is there a gdm branch for natty? debian/control just points to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gdm/ubuntu which is way beyond what natty has
[21:01] <kenvandine> achiang, lp:ubuntu/gdm
[21:01] <kenvandine> whoops
[21:01] <kenvandine> achiang, lp:ubuntu/natty/gdm
[21:01] <achiang> kenvandine: ah! thank you
[21:01] <kenvandine> np
[21:47] <seb128> have a good w.e everyone
[21:48] <seb128> (oh, and just mentioning but I'm on holidays so not there next week)
[22:51] <DBO> anyone still in?
[23:07] <bryceh> DBO, yes, but busy on a project
[23:08] <DBO> you cant do me a code review anyway :(


[10:48] <jemoh> Hi guys is there a detailed quickly tutorial coz I need to develop an apllication fast
[10:55] <dpm> hi jemoh, have you tried http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/
[10:55] <dpm> or http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/tutorials/all/diy-media-player-with-pygtk/
[10:57] <jemoh> Ok lemmi try them thanx alot. Any more tutorials cz am a beginner
[10:57] <dpm> or you can just start a new quickly app for testing:
[10:58] <dpm> try to run this on the terminal:
[10:58] <dpm> quickly create ubuntu-application testme
[10:58] <dpm> then change to your new app's directory with the following command:
[10:58] <dpm> cd testme
[10:58] <dpm> and then have a look at the help by writing this command:
[10:59] <dpm> quickly tutorial
[10:59] <dpm> that should help you get started
[11:00] <jemoh> yeah I did that but still there are otherthings missing like adding a login form to your app
[11:08] <jemoh> dpm can I ask U sth ?
[11:15] <dpm> jemoh, sure
[11:18] <jemoh> Since you are quite familiar with pygtk and python hence quickly from which tutorials did you gather the knowlegde coz am a beginner and would like to be fully conversant with quickly
[11:26] <dpm> jemoh, from the 3 ones I pointed you at. Have you had the chance to look at them?
[11:27] <dpm> I'd recommend watching the video demo for a start, it shouldn't take you more than a few minutes and will help you get started
[11:28] <jemoh> yeah I have and tried them out and they work fine but I don't seem to understand the code they have used
[11:28] <jemoh> I mean like how they declared functions and classes
[11:34] <dpm> which part exactly you don't understand? If it's the Python code, you might want to start looking at the Python documentation and resources:
[11:34] <dpm> http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/programming-languages/python/
[11:38] <jemoh> Ok will do thanx alot


[19:50] <Thevor> charlie-tca: is there anywhere to read up on what will be different? Will it be much different than the beta 1?
[19:50] <iamfossy>  xfce packages  (thunar file manager, xfce settings) and mythubuntu (usplash)themes
[19:50] <charlie-tca> Release notes aren't published yet
[19:50] <Thevor> right.
[19:50] <LinuxGuy2009> iamfossy: so look for thunar and others and remove them. Not hard.
[19:51] <iamfossy> yes not at all , but why on earth did they land up on my upgrade list
[19:52] <Phantis> well, i will try to explain my trouble in english but my english it's very poor sorry
[19:53] <LinuxGuy2009> iamfossy: If you want only default installed packages then you could try something like "sudo dpkg --clear-selections", "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop", "sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade". That shoudl get you back to a default installation.
[19:53] <LinuxGuy2009> Or maybe not. I think it would.
[19:54] <LinuxGuy2009> Anyone agree or disagree with that?
[19:55] <iamfossy> deselect-upgrade ?
[19:55] <iamfossy> does this take me back to my 9.10 ?
[19:55] <LinuxGuy2009> iamfossy: nope
[19:56] <LinuxGuy2009> iamfossy: takes you back to default install of currently installed release version.
[19:56] <iamfossy> thanks
[19:57] <LinuxGuy2009> welcome
[19:57] <Phantis> i have installed lucid beta 1 trough update-manager
[19:57] <LinuxGuy2009> Phantis: ok
[19:57] <Phantis> i have various sylinks in a folder that is shared with using nautilus share
[19:58] <Phantis> sorry
[19:58] <Phantis> i have various sylinks in a folder that is shared with samba using nautilus share
[19:58] <iamfossy> oh man its removing every package on my system :(
[19:58] <mvo_> iamfossy: if you get a bunch of themes and stuff after the upgrade, could you file a bug and attach the logs from /var/log/dist-ugrade/* please?
[19:59] <LinuxGuy2009> iamfossy: Then you missed the "apt-get install gnome-desktop" before the apt-get dselect-upgrade:\
[20:00] <nemo> dpkg-divert: mismatch on package when removing `diversion of /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so to /usr/lib/fglrx/libdri.so.xlibmesa by fglrx'
[20:00] <nemo> soooo
[20:00] <nemo> any ideas?
[20:00] <nemo> trying to install fglrx
[20:00] <LinuxGuy2009> mvo_: I think it just comes down to someone new and not knowing what they are doing. Not a bug.
[20:02] <iamfossy> yes i'll do that, i did not miss gnome-desktop, u had told ubuntu-desktop i did that
[20:03] <iamfossy> presently its removing all older kernels except current one
[20:04] <LinuxGuy2009>  iamfossy: Thats because the old kernels are not dependencies of gnome-desktop
[20:04] <iamfossy> gnuplot, google chrome, nexuiz , latex , nvidia all packages gone
[20:04] <LinuxGuy2009>  iamfossy: Yes.
[20:04] <LinuxGuy2009>  iamfossy: Default desktop means just that.......default desktop
[20:05] <iamfossy> what about my data
[20:05] <iamfossy> ?
[20:05] <LinuxGuy2009>  iamfossy: None of those are part of the default desktop
[20:05] <LinuxGuy2009>  iamfossy: Your home directory is not touched
[20:05] <iamfossy> no issues, all good till now i can reinstall all those later
[20:06] <LinuxGuy2009>  iamfossy: K so are you happy now you got your default install?
[20:06] <LinuxGuy2009> Hmm guess so
[20:07] <nemo>   found `diversion of /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so to /usr/lib/fglrx/libdri.so.xlibmesa by xorg-driver-fglrx'
[20:07] <nemo> hm
[20:07] <nemo> xorg-driver-fglrx ??
[20:07]  * nemo tries dpkg-divert --package xorg-driver-fglrx --rename --remove /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so
[20:07] <nemo> that seems to have done the trick
[20:08] <Phantis> can i continue?
[20:09] <LinuxGuy2009> Phantis: Continue what?
[20:09] <Phantis> well, i will try to explain my trouble in english but my english it's very poor sorry
[20:10] <Phantis> i have installed lucid beta 1 trough update-manager
[20:10] <Phantis> i have various sylinks in a folder that is shared with samba using nautilus share
[20:10] <Phantis> i access that shares from a remote videoplayer
[20:11] <LinuxGuy2009> Phantis: Yeah Enrish would be a good idea.
[20:11] <Phantis> enrish?
[20:12] <Phantis> what is the meaning of....?
[20:12] <LinuxGuy2009> Phantis: Engrish 101/
[20:12] <Phantis> sorry but i dont understand
[20:12] <donpdonp> is beta2 out yet?
[20:13] <charlie-tca> donpdonp: will be by midnight UTC
[20:13] <LinuxGuy2009> Phantis: Ok so you have samba shares that you access with a media player and?
[20:13] <donpdonp> ah, less than 5 hours.
[20:13] <Phantis> "symlinks" into shared folder with samba
[20:13] <donpdonp> i was hoping to have a fresh iso for breakfast :)
[20:14] <Phantis> before update i can access that symlinks from the player
[20:14] <Phantis> but now i cant
[20:14] <LinuxGuy2009> Phantis: Maybe you need to recreate the shares?
[20:14] <Phantis> i have various searches o inet but results no solve trouble
[20:16] <Phantis> shares are ok, only thing that not go on are that symlinks, the share were refreshed then than update
[20:16] <Phantis> i have tried follow symlink 0 yes on global section of smb.conf, but that no solve trouble
[20:17] <Phantis> i have tried follow symlink =0 yes on global section of smb.conf, but that no solve trouble
[20:17] <Phantis> and wide links = yes not solve trouble
[20:17] <Phantis> im now in death point?
[20:18] <Phantis> i dont think how about next step to probe
[20:18] <kklimonda> Phantis: and unix extensions = no ?
[20:18] <Phantis> no, that i haven't tried?
[20:19] <Phantis> i will go to try that now,  then reload not?
[20:20] <LinuxGuy2009> Phantis: then reload not?
[20:20] <Phantis> /etc/init.d/smbd reload
[20:20] <marienz> hey, a beta2
[20:20] <Phantis> thats ok?
[20:21] <marienz> quick, someone update the topic :)
[20:22] <marienz> oh wait, I guess it's not entirely released yet, since the ubuntu.com frontpage still says beta1?
[20:22]  * marienz had cunningly deduced the http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta2 url and was reloading that
[20:22] <charlie-tca> It was not released yet. Have patience, it should be released by midnight UTC.
[20:23] <kklimonda> charlie-tca: it was actually
[20:23] <LinuxGuy2009> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/
[20:23] <LinuxGuy2009> its here
[20:23] <kklimonda> charlie-tca: at this time there would have to be a rm -rf / in boot scripts for them to pull it out ;)
[20:24] <charlie-tca> Where were the announcements?
[20:24] <marienz> how does one determine releasedness?
[20:24] <robin0800> LinuxGuy2009: yes and I'm running it right now
[20:24] <LinuxGuy2009> Cool
[20:24] <kklimonda> charli/w 8
[20:24] <kklimonda> ech..
[20:24] <charlie-tca> When the official announcement is made both in IRC and on the mailing list
[20:24] <marienz> I mean, I'm pretty sure I'm effectively already running beta2, since I've been upgrading since some alpha and I don't think any packages I have installed changed at the last minute.
[20:25] <marienz> charlie-tca: on this channel?
[20:25] <LinuxGuy2009> Im downloading the new image now . Doing a fresh install of Beta2.
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Here, devel, #ubuntu-release, #ubuntu-testing
[20:25] <robin0800> still got broken pipe messages but everything else seems ok
[20:25] <marienz> thank you :)
[20:26] <marienz> robin0800: from any specific command?
[20:26] <LinuxGuy2009> Why are you guys chatting about official release? Its there already.... download and try it.
[20:26] <marienz> LinuxGuy2009: because we're pedantic, probably :)
[20:26] <charlie-tca> yes, if you are up to date, you already have beta2
[20:26] <jrr> anyone had problems running 10.04 as a guest in virtualbox?  it doesn't seem to want to boot after initial install.
[20:26] <Phantis> ohhh unix extension = no not solve , thaks anyway
[20:27] <charlie-tca> runs fine here
[20:27] <jrr> (ubuntu that is)
[20:27] <Nivex> jrr: I had that problem in one of the alphas but beta1 cleaned it up
[20:27] <lullabud> i tried updating my beta1 from the CLI and it didn't find beta2
[20:27] <kklimonda> lullabud: it's not going to find beta2
[20:27] <marienz> lullabud: just do a regular apt-get update + upgrade (or a regular update-manager run)
[20:27] <kklimonda> lullabud: you just do dist-upgrade and watch for partial upgrades
[20:27] <marienz> lullabud: beta 1 and 2 aren't separate releases, you don't have to do another release upgrade
[20:27] <charlie-tca> Because beta is an image created from the daily. If you update your installation, it is equal
[20:28] <robin0800> marienz: during start up I have seen these messages but not on every boot or reboot
[20:28] <LinuxGuy2009> lullabud: Its just gonna install updated packages, therefore giving you beta2.
[20:28] <Phantis> see u later guys..... thanks.....
[20:28]  * marienz suspects "release" wasn't the right term there
[20:28] <charlie-tca> "release" = "milestone"
[20:29] <Nivex> it's on the front page of ubuntu.com.  I'd say that counts as being "out"
[20:29] <Nivex> :)
[20:29] <marienz> or maybe it was, since the update-manager manpage also uses it
[20:29] <marienz> ah yes, there went the frontpage
[20:29] <marienz> time to upgrade the laptop
[20:30]  * Nivex jigdo's alternate from local mirror, zsyncs desktop
[20:31] <tbic> where is the setting for toolbar icons / text?
[20:31] <iamfossy> hi all
[20:31] <kwtm> Hi.  I see from http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/ that beta-2 is only in CD form and not DVD form, correct?
[20:31] <DrHalan> im experiencing freezes recently using x. anyone?
[20:32] <marienz> tbic: that *might* not have ui out of the box now (but I'm not 100% sure)
[20:32] <iamfossy> my ubuntu's gone unable to boot after the default desktop option, all kernels are gone
[20:32] <tbic> ok, so does any one know where it is oin gconf?
[20:32] <marienz> tbic: let me try to look it up
[20:33] <lullabud> marienz: oh, well it didn't find those either.  maybe i did it last night in my sleep...
[20:33] <iamfossy> grub's safe only kernel gone, can someone upload all kernels and its image plz
[20:33] <marienz> tbic: it used to be in preferences -> appearance -> interface, but that tab was removed
[20:33] <nemo> Sooo. I accidentally installed grub on the wrong drive
[20:33] <lullabud> oh well, whatever.  i've been keeping up on dist-upgrades anyway.
[20:33] <nemo> not a big deal, I can change boot order
[20:34] <nemo> but. I was wondering, rather than doing commandline setup, can I call that pretty little checkbox tool that showed up during the upgrade?
[20:34] <tbic> marienz: that was where I looked.
[20:34] <nemo> the one I checked off /dev/sdb on in the first place?
[20:34] <iamfossy> hi linuxguy are you there ?
[20:34] <iamfossy> plz plz help
[20:34] <nemo> or is that part of dist upgrade, and not a standard gui tool.
[20:35] <tbic> marienz: is there a gconf setting I can change?
[20:35] <marienz> tbic: /desktop/gnome/interface/ has it, I think. Checking.
[20:36] <marienz> tbic: yeah, /desktop/gnome/interface/toolbar_style is probably it
[20:36] <marienz> nemo: if it appeared during the upgrade my wild guess would be that dpkg-reconfigure-ing some package would show it again
[20:37] <nemo> it was
[20:37] <nemo> and I just tried that :)
[20:37] <nemo> I assume was using the gtk version
[20:37] <DrHalan> my desktop freezes after some seconds...can anyone help me?
[20:37] <nemo> yep. that's prettier
[20:37] <tbic> marienz: I don't have that key.
[20:37] <nemo> marienz: grub-pc fwiw
[20:37] <iamfossy> can anyone help me ?
[20:37] <marienz> tbic: which tool are you checking with?
[20:37] <marienz> nemo: that sounds right, but I couldn't be bothered to check :P
[20:38] <marienz> iamfossy: I'd boot off some livecd, chroot in and install a kernel
[20:38] <tbic> marienz: gconf-editor
[20:38] <marienz> tbic: weird! it exists here
[20:38] <iamfossy> can u upload some 10.04 kernel plz
[20:38] <marienz> tbic: at what point does that path stop existing?
[20:39] <marienz> iamfossy: I don't understand the question. Those kernels are already in the archive.
[20:39] <tbic> marienz: just toolbar_style does not exist
[20:39] <iamfossy> it required initrd, image and layout all those files right
[20:39] <marienz> iamfossy: you're not going to get very far with just an initrd and image, you need the modules too
[20:40] <marienz> iamfossy: I really think you're better off booting off any livecd, chrooting in, and apt-get installing a linux-image normally
[20:40] <iamfossy> marienz  : yes i need all those, can i get all those files on launchpad ?
[20:40] <iamfossy> yes i'll do that
[20:40] <iamfossy> got it
[20:41] <charlie-tca> kwtm: should be dvd's also
[20:41] <tbic> marienz: I think I got it, i created the key as a key and set it to "icons" thanks
[20:41]  * marienz needs to do some housecleaning to have enough space on the laptop to upgrade
[20:41] <marienz> tbic: weird, it looks as if it's properly in the schema here
[20:41] <iamfossy> does linux-image finish the task or should i specify version number ?
[20:41] <linuxrevolution> what's the kenel version of beta2?
[20:41] <marienz> tbic: if it's not on your end it's possible I gave you the wrong key
[20:42] <kwtm> charlie-tca: Oh?  Please help: where?  I will be travelling with spotty Internet connection, would prefer to have DVD on hand.
[20:42] <marienz> iamfossy: I'd expect linux-image-generic or something like that to suffice, but I'd also expect you to already have a kernel, so who knows
[20:42] <charlie-tca> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20100406.1/lucid-dvd-i386.iso
[20:42] <charlie-tca> It's the image tested for the beta2 release
[20:42] <iamfossy> i checked from  a love CD no kernels were there
[20:42] <iamfossy> *live
[20:50] <kwtm> charlie-tca: Thanks how do I go to the containing web page to look for the DVD version of Kubuntu?  Is it cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20100406?
[20:51] <kwtm> The Ubuntu beta-2 has 33 seeders and 90 people downloading.  Kubuntu beta-2 has 1 seeder and 2 people downloading.
[20:51] <ZykoticK9> kwtm, which is more popular do you think?
[20:52] <linuxrevolution> what's the version of kernel in beta2?
[20:52] <kwtm> ZykoticK9: I guess, despite Operation Timelord, people still don't trust the KDE team on Ubuntu.
[20:53] <kwtm> Can't say I blame them, but would be nice to have a beta-2 for Kubuntu.  Perhaps cdimage.kubuntu.com/dvd/20100406?  Will check.
[20:53] <ZykoticK9> linuxrevolution, i would "guess" 2.6.32-19
[20:54] <linuxrevolution> ZykoticK9: ok thanks
[20:54] <Myxb> i've installed lucid. couple of question: is there a way to remove the language and email icons from the notification area? they kinda have no use for me there.
[20:54] <marienz> there's a language icon?
[20:55] <ZykoticK9> Myxb, i'm with marienz - i've never seen a language icon -- but to remove the mail (and leave the volume) "sudo apt-get remove indicator-messages"
[20:55] <marienz> and ZykoticK9 just beat me to it, I was looking up that package name
[20:56] <charlie-tca> kwtm: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/20100406.1/lucid-dvd-i386.iso
[20:56] <Myxb> the "language icon" is the keyboard layout indication "USA" "RUS" etc. i normally use a more convenient for me kkbswitch and have no need for the system indicator.
[20:57] <marienz> I haven't seen that one at all (I don't know which package provides it)
[20:57] <Myxb> ZykoticK9: thanks for the email tip, will try in right away!
[20:57] <kwtm> charlie-tca: Thank you!  Will try.
[20:57] <linuxrevolution> ubuntu beta 2 came but I have no update!
[20:57] <ZykoticK9> Myxb, wrong person perhaps?  I don't think i send any email tips...
[20:57] <marienz> ZykoticK9: check for something suspicious in /usr/lib/indicator/3/ ?
[20:57] <marienz> ZykoticK9: check for something suspicious in /usr/lib/indicators/3/ even
[20:58] <charlie-tca> linuxrevolution: You already have it lucid installed and updated?
[20:58] <marienz> err, Myxb: ^^^ that was for you
[20:58] <linuxrevolution> charlie-tca: I have lucid but after releasing of beta 2 there is no update at all
[20:58] <marienz> linuxrevolution: normal
[20:58] <charlie-tca> Correct. the updates to it were about two days ago
[20:59] <ZykoticK9> marienz, i don't even have a /usr/lib/lindicator/3 directory
[20:59] <marienz> linuxrevolution: if you updated your beta1 install normally within last couple of days you're already on beta2
[20:59] <marienz> ZykoticK9: I was using the wrong nick, and it's "indicator", not "lindicator" :)
[20:59] <charlie-tca> As long as you keep up to date, you don't need to try to update to alpha and beta releases
[20:59] <marienz> err, "indicators"
[20:59] <ZykoticK9> marienz, yes and yes
[20:59] <linuxrevolution> marienz: ok but some bugs exist without any change!
[21:00] <Sweet> how do I update to beta2 from terminal?
[21:00] <charlie-tca> linuxrevolution: maybe they just haven't been fixed yet
[21:00] <yofel> Sweet: 'do-release-update -d'
[21:00] <marienz> Sweet: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta2 mentions this
[21:00] <ZykoticK9> Sweet, just update as you normally would!
[21:00] <linuxrevolution> charlie-tca: :(
[21:00] <ZykoticK9> Sweet, from karmic or lucid?
[21:00] <DASPRiD> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/542210 | not fixed in beta2 :/
[21:00] <Sweet> lucid
[21:00] <Sweet> ZykoticK9: lucid
[21:00] <marienz> Sweet: that is: if you're updating from an older release. From an older lucid it's just a normal update (apt-get dist-upgrade for example)
[21:00] <ZykoticK9> Sweet, then just update normally
[21:01] <yofel> !beta | Sweet
[21:01] <Sweet> ZykoticK9: I did, but I didn't get any updates!
[21:01] <Sweet> ZykoticK9: It says System up to date!
[21:02] <ZykoticK9> Sweet, if it's up-to-date with your mirrors (then it's up-to-date) already
[21:02] <linuxrevolution> thanks mates bye
[21:02] <Sweet> ZykoticK9: ok thanks for the info!
[21:02] <busata> has there been any update since beta freeze?
[21:02] <charlie-tca> 6
[21:02] <Sweet> busata: you noob
[21:03] <guntbert> !noob | Sweet
[21:03] <charlie-tca> busata: beta freeze was a week ago. Yes, there were updates since then
[21:04] <Sweet> ubottu: i'm sorry was my co-worker ;)
[21:05] <busata> yea, he's my roommate, not that used to how to behave in irc channels :)
[21:05] <tepelstreeltje> busata: are there any updates since the beta freeze
[21:06] <charlie-tca> beta freeze was a week ago. Yes, there were updates since then
[21:23] <uffo> experts advice needed: what is better for file based swap, is it swapd or swapspace
[21:23] <boourns> ever since upgrading to lucid, whenever i open a new window it seems to be opened under all the open windows, like a "popunder" window as they've been called... how can i fix that?
[21:25] <mfraz74> any idea how to fix the menus in skype? they're dark on dark
[21:25] <bj0rn2> Is it possible to force an upgrade from karmic to lucid beta by running some kind of command in karmic?
[21:26] <boourns> bj0rn2, yes, if i remember correctly its the #1 result when u google for "upgrade to ubuntu lucid"
[21:26] <bj0rn2> oh.. thanks, and sorry
[21:27] <boourns> np, if it were an easy to remember command id just tell ya
[21:28] <mfraz74> i have used it before, can't remember now though
[21:29] <alvin> do-release-upgrade -d
[21:30] <nemo> gpg: requesting key EF8FBB99 from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com
[21:30] <nemo> gpgkeys: HTTP fetch error 7: couldn't connect to host
[21:30] <nemo> hm
[21:31] <nemo> dig says it is <IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS>
[21:31] <nemo> what port is it requesting on, I might be firewalled off
[21:32] <alvin> The line you pasted says HTTP
[21:32] <TommyThaGun> quesion: If I install the Lucid beta, when the final release comes out, will I be able to do a dist upgrade? or will I have to do a reinstall?
[21:33] <guntbert> TommyThaGun: neither - you just keep updating - the you got the final version
[21:34] <TommyThaGun> got it
[21:37] <nemo> alvin: that's a protocol, not a port ;)
[21:39] <alvin> nemo: well, by default it's 80. You may change that, but I don't expect a http fetch script to be created for other ports. That would cause more trouble than it's worth.
[21:41] <nemo> alvin: 80 should be fine. hm. wonder what the problem is then
[21:42] <TommyThaGun> sweet, you can upgrade to 10.4 through the update-manager app
[21:43] <TommyThaGun> I didn't think you could do that
[21:46] <robertzaccour> which button is it for grub menu now?
[21:46] <ZykoticK9> The new install screens look good, very modern.  Firefox icon seems to be missing, just getting a little box.
[21:46] <ZykoticK9> robertzaccour, hold shift
[21:46] <robertzaccour> ZykoticK9, i tried shift, didn't work
[21:46] <robertzaccour> oops
[21:46] <robertzaccour> i meant tab
[21:46] <robertzaccour> i'll try shift thanks
[21:47] <robin0800> robertzaccour: keep trying shift dosn't always work
[21:51] <plitter> is there a way to upgrade from beta 1 to beta 2? or a way to check if u have upgraded?
[21:55] <charlie-tca> plitter: run updates
[21:55] <plitter> i did but nothing new there....
[21:56] <charlie-tca> then you are at beta2
[21:56] <charlie-tca> !beta
[21:56] <holstein> i run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:56] <holstein> and if theres nothing there, im up to date
[21:57] <charlie-tca> correct
[21:57] <charlie-tca> and an up to date lucid installation is already at beta2
[21:57] <ZykoticK9> holstein, in a vm that hadn't been updated in 15 hours there where no new updates
[21:57] <holstein> i think i was expecting some new stuff
[21:58] <holstein> today
[21:58] <holstein> but same thing here
[21:58] <ZykoticK9> holstein, I believe the install appears to be new
[21:58] <Zorael> Lucid fails to put my machine on suspend, freezing completely instead (not reacting to sysrq commands). What can I do to troubleshoot?
[22:00] <plitter> is there a way to check?
[22:02] <charlie-tca> |beta > plitter
[22:05] <DjSylvester> any help online?
[22:06] <IdleOne> DjSylvester: go ahead and ask your question
[22:06] <IdleOne> if someone knows they will probably answer
[22:06] <marienz> I really need to fix things so I can plug my laptop into ethernet again, updating over wireless is a bit slow
[22:07] <DjSylvester> i have problems with ubuntu sotware center
[22:07] <DjSylvester> *software  center
[22:09] <nemo> hm. my DNS resolution has slowed waaaaaay down in Lucid
[22:09] <nemo> ADS integration at fault or something?
[22:09] <bjsnider> !find liveMedia.hh
[22:09] <nemo> maybe IPv6?
[22:10] <bsmith093> !find liveMedia.hh
[22:10] <bsmith093> the bot is a package examiner too
[22:10] <bsmith093> that is so useful!
[22:12] <DjSylvester> software center crashed with AttributeError in _parse_and_or_not_tag()
[22:12] <DjSylvester> can anyone knows how to fix this?
[22:14] <DjSylvester> software center crashed with AttributeError in _parse_and_or_not_tag()
[22:15] <bjsnider> !find ac_nonexistent.h
[22:15] <DjSylvester> !find software center
[22:15] <bsmith093> is there a way to make encrypting things like email and documents ( and generating a key) completely idiot proof
[22:16] <DjSylvester> !find software_center
[22:16] <IdleOne> DjSylvester: I don't see any bug that relates to that error
[22:16] <bsmith093> probably hyphenated
[22:17] <IdleOne> report a bug on launchpad.net
[22:17] <bsmith093> !find ubuntu-software-center
[22:18] <DjSylvester> IdleOne:  there is other way to repair this package ?
[22:18] <IdleOne> DjSylvester: possibly but I don't know how. do you have all the updates installed?
[22:18] <IdleOne> what were you doing when this error happened?
[22:18] <DjSylvester> when i made the update i get some errors
[22:19] <DjSylvester> no
[22:19] <DjSylvester> no updates found
[22:19] <IdleOne> DjSylvester: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:19] <IdleOne> ohh well
[22:19] <IdleOne> ok tell me what you were doing and I can try to reproduce the error and report also
[22:21] <DjSylvester> i send the report to  launchpad
[22:21] <Berzerker> is beta 2 out yet?
[22:21] <IdleOne> yes
[22:21] <Berzerker> alright thanks
[22:22] <IdleOne> well the email was sent but the topic has not been updated
[22:22] <DjSylvester> when i upgrade  from 8.04TLD i get some install errors
[22:22] <DjSylvester> and i think those errors are the problmes
[22:22] <IdleOne> tld?
[22:22] <DjSylvester> *problems
[22:22] <DjSylvester> TLS
[22:22] <IdleOne> oh LTS
[22:23] <DjSylvester> yes
[22:23] <IdleOne> what errors ?
[22:23] <DjSylvester> some about libc.6
[22:23] <DjSylvester> lib6.c
[22:24] <DjSylvester> is possible to try reinstall again ?
[22:26] <IdleOne> DjSylvester: of course
[22:26] <IdleOne> use the live cd
[22:27] <IdleOne> backup any important files you don't want to lose
[22:27] <johnnyCbad> Hi, after updating to the latest packages and rebooting I cannot mount filesystems in Lucid beta 1, any help?
[22:27] <IdleOne> !separatehome
[22:27] <DjSylvester> ok
[22:29] <DjSylvester> thanks
[22:31] <bsmith093> how do i generate a key in lucid
[22:56] <bsmith093> according to my screen no one has typed anything for over 20 minutes
[22:59] <kklimonda> and?
[23:00] <bsmith093> its just that a full 20 min of nothing but status messages  seem wierd
[23:02] <sebsebseb> hrm looks like, just like  Beta 1, Beta 2 will be delayed
[23:04] <Glowball> Will the Human theme still be available in the final version of Lucid (Not as default of course, but in System > Preferences > Appearance)? It isn't in beta 1.
[23:04] <FunnyLookinHat> sebsebseb: Beta 2 was already released....   http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta2
[23:05] <marienz> Glowball: I still see a human-theme package available. I have no clue if that's installed by default.
[23:05] <sebsebseb> FunnyLookinHat: oh
[23:05] <sebsebseb> FunnyLookinHat: so the ISO's are there, just this channel's topic hasn't been changed yet?
[23:06] <marienz> afaik the isos are there and the website is updated
[23:06] <yofel> sebsebseb, FunnyLookinHat: it's not officially released yet as we are missing the release announcement, but the isos are ready
[23:08] <Glowball> marienz: It isn't in the beta. I think it should be, for the users who don't like the new theme(s) and want to change back to the previous one in an easy, effortless way
[23:08] <FunnyLookinHat> yofel: release announcement arrived in my inbox about an hour ago...
[23:08] <bongokarl> hi there
[23:08] <FunnyLookinHat> Howdy bongokarl
[23:08] <bongokarl> anybody is having problems with lucid - empahty and icq?
[23:09] <bongokarl> i won't comlain for sure about anything - just wondering that its not working anymore
[23:09] <FunnyLookinHat> yofel: See this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2010-April/000131.html
[23:09] <FunnyLookinHat> I'd change the channel message if I had the authority...
[23:09] <bongokarl> hehe allright
[23:10] <bongokarl> do-release upgrade something
[23:10] <bongokarl> right?
[23:10]  * marienz doesn't care that much about what's in the default install
[23:10] <yofel> FunnyLookinHat: duh, then slangasek forgot to send the mail to ubuntu-devel-announce too which is what most of us here follow
[23:10] <FunnyLookinHat> Hah
[23:12] <Glowball> marienz: I don't either. I can go to Synaptic at any time I want. But I know people whose grandma are using Ubuntu, and they can't. Ubuntu is supposed to be as user friendly as possible for anyone. Not adding in the Human theme, would be one of those 'paper cuts' to me.
[23:13] <jrr> okay here's some comical behavior
[23:14] <jrr> select multiple text files in nautilus, right click, open with gedit
[23:14] <jrr> it will open a whole bunch of gedits, and then they'll all collapse back down to one editor with multiple tabs
[23:14] <jrr> that made my dad
[23:14] <jrr> day too
[23:16] <FunnyLookinHat> jrr: it's to keep epileptic people off of ubuntu.  ;)
[23:16] <DrHalan> lol who got the idea of transparent buttons in the new theme? all buttons on youtube are unusuable because background AND font are white
[23:16] <sebsebseb> marienz: I do, but I also know I can remove features that I don't like :)
[23:16] <sebsebseb> marienz: and change things here and there if I want to
[23:17] <jrr> DrHalan: repro instructions?
[23:17] <jrr> (i can see them just fine)
[23:18] <DrHalan> jrr: im using epiphany. dunno if firefox is using native gtk buttons
[23:19] <jrr> ah
[23:19] <jrr> yeah in ff they're fine
[23:21] <bongokarl> i'm very sorry i have to ask one more question. i guess i'm having beta 1 installed. update-manager -d nor do-releasge upgrade -d work. is it that apt-get upgrade does everything to move to beta 2?
[23:21] <yofel> !beta | bongokarl
[23:21] <bongokarl> allright! thank you very much!
[23:23] <bsmith093> opengpg question how do i know if ive accidentally released my private key instead of my public key when i published them to the keyserver
[23:24] <DrHalan> jrr: yeah i just checked. firefox is rendering the buttons fine
[23:24] <pider> just installed beta2 in virtualbox and also guest add, full screen worked just fine (1440x900) and compiz, very nice
[23:26] <neezer> is there a program that I can use to resize a bunch of images in 10.04? I'm not finding that option in fstop.
[23:28] <bsmith093> anyone else having no sound in lucid for a while now
[23:29] <kklimonda> neezer: convert
[23:29] <neezer> bsmith093, I don't have startup bongos or whatever they are, but I still have sound.
[23:29] <neezer> kklimonda, I'm afraid I don't know what you mean.
[23:29] <bsmith093> how do i get my sounfd bakc
[23:29] <bsmith093> sound back
[23:29] <marienz> that depends on where it went :) iirc there's a wiki page with debugging steps
[23:30] <kklimonda> neezer: it's a name of a utility that can resize bunch of imabes
[23:31] <moonlite11> How do i make gnome-power-manager not start when i log in to gnome? Reason: my screen flickers and it decides that it needs to hibernate every 10th minute even with the power plugged in.
[23:32] <moonlite11> (this is in lucid ofcourse, and i will report bugs as soon as i get to a desktop that i can use for more than 10 minutes in a row :))
[23:34] <nemo> moonlite11: uncheck power manager in startup applications?
[23:34] <nemo> just a guess
[23:35] <bsmith093> can someone answer an encryption key question opengpg question how do i know if ive accidentally released my private key instead of my public key when i published them to the keyserver
[23:37] <kklimonda> bsmith093: is it even possible to do that?
[23:37] <bsmith093> thanks i was
[23:38] <bsmith093> i dont know could u help me please i am an encryption noob just generated my first key about an hour ago
[23:40] <kklimonda> bsmith093: how have you uploaded it and why do you think it could be the private key?
[23:40] <aboleth> hi
[23:43] <bsmith093> kkilonda i published it to the keyserver
[23:43] <bsmith093> but in dont know which one it sent
[23:44] <bsmith093> i only have one key listed in the passwords and encryption thing
[23:46] <aboleth> I upgraded to the beta about maybe two weeks ago and since then I've not been able to boot since then. The first time I tried it got to the loading screen and it said something about the sda drive and continued going through the progress bar thing for maybe half an hour. Since then I didn't get anything about the sda drive but it just stays loading for an extremely long time. What should I do?
[23:46] <kklimonda> bsmith093: I think it's impossible to send private key to the keyserver
[23:46] <bsmith093> k thgen so how do i use the key
[23:47] <kklimonda> bsmith093: what do you want to use it for?
[23:47] <bsmith093> encrypting email
[23:47] <kklimonda> well, that depends on your email client then
[23:48] <bsmith093> gmail
[23:48] <bsmith093> web interfacre
[23:48] <kklimonda> there is some firefox extension for that - firegpg I think
[23:48] <bsmith093> i got that
[23:48] <bsmith093> about ten min ago
[23:48] <kklimonda> then please read the documentation for it
[23:49] <kklimonda> I haven't used it
[23:49] <bsmith093> k then bye
[23:51] <marienz> hum, this upgrade went mostly ok except for the part where the screen didn't come back on when I rebooted :)
[23:52] <sirninja> Is the banshee notification area icon messed up for anybody else using lucid?
[23:52] <Fishscene> Greetings. I see that the Beta 2 is supposed to be released today. (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule) My question is, is it available right now? or will it be available tomorrow?
[23:52] <marienz> let's see if that's a one-time only bug
[23:52] <marienz> Fishscene: looks pretty available to me
[23:52] <Fishscene> Awesome. I shall update and see how it goes. Hopefully they fixed the grub error.
[23:53] <marienz> argh, this is going to be annoying
[23:59] <marienz> urgh, if toggling this undocumented new openchrome X driver option fixes it I'm going to be annoyed