[00:47] <beuno> rschroll, I can change this for you. Still around?
[01:02] <dertom> hi there, I just started looking into ubuntu-touch development using qtcreator. And my question is about qtcreator. Couldn't find the answer in the internet,yet. Is there a way to add includes automatically over some kind of shortcut. e.g. i have std::string, have the cursor over string and press the 'magic'-button and the corrseponding include is added...or do I have to do it manually?
[01:02] <dertom> ah, cpp is the language :D
[05:42] <Alias221> Good morning everybody,
[05:43] <Alias221> I am extensively searching a solution to safe spotify tracks to work with them in audacity. Do anyone know a solution. It would really help me.
[05:44] <Alias221> Back in windows 8 times i searched too long without success. It would be soo notable if that would change in Ubuntu :)
[05:46] <Alias221> Why do i never get an answer? Just because i am black? Okay, i am not black but drunken and searching until i dye or someone is so kindless ...
[05:51] <Alias221> Ahora mi malo espanol - caution. Estoy buscando una solucion a la causa de descargar canciones de spotify. Yo queria editar lo en Audacity. Soy muy agradecido por toda ayuda. Musica es mi vida :)
[05:53] <Alias221> isn't there any body who can help?
[05:55] <Alias221> Do anybody read my comment? There are so much people in this chatroom. Sorry, i am new and just would like to understand....
[05:57] <Alias221> okay, who help me get 5,00€
[06:06] <Alias221> IF someone can help me my mailadress<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:19] <Alias221> i really don't understand why there is noone who shows any reaction. I would do so just to signal that you have been heared.
[07:49] <randomcpp> nik90, ping
[07:50] <WebbyIT> Alias221: no one answer maybe because support channel is #ubuntu
[08:02] <AskUbuntu> QML: TextArea within the listItem elemtn on listview does not have scroll bar and text area contents are lost | http://askubuntu.com/q/345370
[08:59] <clepto> nik90, ping
[09:06] <popey> Alias221: two things. 1) it was early in the morning for most people here
[09:06] <popey> Alias221: 2) You're asking for something which breaches Spotify T&C, probably better asking somewhere else
[09:22] <clepto> mefrio, ping
[09:22] <mefrio> clepto, pong
[09:23] <clepto> mefrio, if you run memories on the phone do you problem with u1db creating? where do you create it?
[09:23] <randomcpp> mefrio pm me
[09:24] <mefrio> clepto, I don't have a phone but running memories does not cause any problems...I am not sure about that but I think that the u1 API creates its databases in the app dir in /opt
[09:24] <clepto> mefrio, ok
[09:25] <WebbyIT> clepto, hi :)
[09:25] <clepto> WebbyIT, hi!
[09:28] <WebbyIT> clepto, if you need some tests ping me ;)
[09:29] <clepto> WebbyIT, http://ubuntuone.com/3N4diU9sOjWqxrgdusxo5M
[09:29] <clepto> WebbyIT, test that..create a note and then try to edit it
[09:30] <WebbyIT> clepto, I cannot install it: ERROR: Could not parse click manifest.
[09:30] <clepto> WebbyIT, 1 sec
[09:31] <clepto> weird
[09:35] <clepto> WebbyIT, http://ubuntuone.com/1MotkhhZ9ATlTVYCR2BtdS
[09:36] <WebbyIT> clepto, same error
[09:36] <WebbyIT>  Skipping 'com.ubuntu.developer.christriant.cnotes_cnotes_0.2.2.json
[09:36] <WebbyIT> ERROR: Could not parse click manifest
[09:38] <clepto> WebbyIT, http://ubuntuone.com/4cnX7W1FZPeLDaPU1lmsbS
[09:38] <clepto> beuno, hi! is there a policy for creating files?
[09:42] <WebbyIT> clepto, there are two errors:
[09:42] <WebbyIT> Setting up com.ubuntu.developer.christriant.cnotes (0.3) ...
[09:42] <WebbyIT> ERROR: Could not parse click manifest. Skipping 'com.ubuntu.developer.christriant.cnotes_cnotes_0.2.2.json'
[09:42] <WebbyIT> ERROR: Could not parse click manifest. Skipping 'com.ubuntu.developer.christriant.cnotes_cnotes_0.3.json'
[09:43] <clepto> WebbyIT, that is just too weird
[09:43] <clepto> WebbyIT, you doing same way as yesterday right?
[09:44] <clepto> WebbyIT, can you remove files from /opt?
[09:44] <nik90_> randomcpp: finally you are here! Submit your app asap dude!
[09:44] <WebbyIT> clepto, yes, I'm working like yesterday, with popey's script
[09:45] <clepto> popey, can you elaborate here maybe?
[09:45] <WebbyIT> clepto, I have a new installation, so no file in /opt
[09:48] <clepto> WebbyIT, can you check? just to be sure
[09:50] <popey> hmm?
[09:50] <popey> wassup?
[09:50] <WebbyIT> clepto, ls /opt/
[09:50] <WebbyIT> click.ubuntu.com
[09:50] <clepto> popey, WebbyIT got an error installing my click package ^
[09:50] <popey> yeah, i got that installing one yesterday
[09:50] <clepto> WebbyIT, ls click.ubuntu.com ?
[09:51] <popey> i think its misleading
[09:51] <clepto> popey, can you fix it?
[09:51] <WebbyIT> clepto, com.ubuntu.developer.vtuson.torch
[09:51] <popey> i deleted the apport manifest from /var/lib/apparmour/profiles
[09:51] <popey> i think
[09:51] <clepto> WebbyIT, ^
[09:52] <nik90_> clepto, mefrio: Both of you have issues with the data not being saved permanently (lose it after app restart) and also camera images are not being saved at all
[09:53] <nik90_> WebbyIT: when you test CNote, Memories, try creating some data, then restart the app and check if they still persist
[09:53] <clepto> nik90_, we need a secure way to save files
[09:53] <mefrio> nik90_, can you help me fixing that?
[09:53] <WebbyIT> clepto, there is nothing regards your app where popey  indicates
[09:53] <mefrio> nik90_, I am just using u1db and qtmultimedia APIs :S
[09:53] <nik90_> mefrio: I am not sure what is causing it. may be app confinement issues?
[09:54] <WebbyIT> mefrio, maybe I know the problem, where is your source code?
[09:54] <WebbyIT> clepto, ^
[09:54] <mefrio> WebbyIT, https://github.com/Mefrio/Memories
[09:54] <clepto> WebbyIT, is there an apport manifest? popey ? ^
[09:54]  * popey reflashes phone to get it clean
[09:54] <nik90_> popey: please test what I asked WebbyIT to check ^^
[09:55] <popey> ok
[09:55] <WebbyIT> mefrio, ok, the problem is Component.onDestruction.
[09:55] <WebbyIT> mefrio, on phone when you close an app Component.onDestruction is not called
[09:55] <mefrio> WebbyIT, what can I use instead?
[09:56] <WebbyIT> mefrio, you can reproduce on computer closing the app with CTRL+X
[09:56] <WebbyIT> mefrio, that's a good question. On calculator we save at every tear off and at ever label unfocu
[09:56] <WebbyIT> *unfocus
[09:57] <clepto> WebbyIT, I don't use onDestruction... but I still cannot save anything
[09:57] <mefrio> WebbyIT, that's a big problem! Saving every time to U1 database will make it a bit slower
[09:57] <mefrio> WebbyIT, what about the camera photos? Do you have any idea why it is happening?
[09:58] <clepto> mefrio, do you have picture_files policy?
[09:58] <WebbyIT> mefrio, uhm, no, never used camera, so I dunno.. I can investigating...
[09:58] <mefrio> clepto, nope...do I need it so?
[09:58] <WebbyIT> clepto, when I'll be able to try your app I'll investigate
[09:59] <mefrio> clepto, I have the camera policy anyway
[09:59] <clepto> mefrio, I'am not sure, I added it but cannot test my app
[09:59] <clepto> WebbyIT, ok
[10:01] <mefrio> nik90_, may having picture_files policy solve the issue with camera photos?
[10:02] <nik90_> mefrio: We can give that a shot if you want
[10:02] <clepto> nik90_, can you try to install my package?
[10:02] <nik90_> mefrio: but that doesnt fix the memories not being saved permanently
[10:03] <nik90_> clepto: yeah
[10:03] <randomgc> nik90_, I'm back
[10:03] <clepto> nik90_, http://ubuntuone.com/4cnX7W1FZPeLDaPU1lmsbS
[10:03] <mefrio> nik90_, how? I am already working on the other bug
[10:03] <nik90_> WebbyIT: so how do you manully install a click package on the phone?
[10:03] <WebbyIT> nik90_ I use popey's script (an huge to popey every time) :)
[10:04] <nik90_> WebbyIT: just the click_n_run.sh script?
[10:04] <nik90_> WebbyIT: I placed the click package and the script in the same directory
[10:04] <randomgc> nik90_, I've been away for few days, I'll try to submit the app as it is..The guys from the f2f.com api replied me few days ago
[10:04] <WebbyIT> nik90_, ./click_n_run name.click
[10:04] <nik90_> WebbyIT: so do I just run ./click_n_run.sh?
[10:04] <randomgc> they said they will increase the api call limit
[10:04] <nik90_> randomgc: okay
[10:04] <WebbyIT> nik90, you have to write the name of the file
[10:05] <nik90_> randomgc: your app looks good the way it is. Just need to test it on way
[10:05] <WebbyIT> ./click_n_run.sh ~/Desktop/com.ubuntu.developer.christriant.cnotes_0.3_all.click
[10:05] <nik90_> WebbyIT: thnx. will try again now
[10:05] <nik90_> randomgc: create a click package for us to test
[10:06] <randomgc> I've just upgraded to saucy, I'm installing ubuntu-sdk right now
[10:07] <nik90_> WebbyIT: when I do that I get ./click_n_run.sh: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[10:07] <nik90_> ./click_n_run.sh: line 1: `<?xml version="1.0"?>'
[10:07] <nik90_> popey: do you know why i get the error ^^
[10:08] <popey> whaaat
[10:08] <popey> how did you download the script?
[10:08] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105516/ is what it should look like
[10:08] <nik90_> popey: through your blog post
[10:08] <nik90_> popey: will try again
[10:08] <popey> bzr branch it
[10:09] <popey> bzr branch lp:~popey/+junk/phablet-testing
[10:09] <popey> I just installed cnotes and created a note and a tag. i then killed the app via long press in the applications lens, and re-opened cnotes. no notes found
[10:10] <clepto> popey, do this, go to create page - images tab - click toolbar button - enter title - press camera preview - press done
[10:10] <clepto> popey, does it work? do you see the image in the list after that?
[10:11] <clepto> popey, follow the exact steps
[10:11] <nik90_> clepto: when I try to install your click package, I get ERROR: Could not parse click manifest. Skipping 'com.ubuntu.developer.christriant.cnotes_cnotes_0.3.json'
[10:11] <popey> clepto: ok
[10:11] <popey> nik90_: i think thats a red herring, it may have actually installed it?
[10:11] <popey> look in /opt/click.....
[10:11] <clepto> popey, why everyone one else is getting an error?
[10:12] <popey> hmm, memories doesnt start for me, get a white screen
[10:12] <popey> is there a newer package?
[10:12] <WebbyIT> popey, you are right, I have the same error of nik90 but there is the app on the Launcher
[10:12] <nik90_> popey: I already had CNotes installed, so it would already be there in /opt/click?
[10:12] <popey> ah
[10:12] <WebbyIT> but it doesn't start...
[10:13] <nik90_> popey: try again, I had the issue for memories as well, so i turned screen of and then tried again and it worked
[10:13] <clepto> should I paste my manifest?
[10:13] <popey> aa-exec: ERROR: profile 'com.ubuntu.developer.mefrio.memories_memories_1.0' does not exist
[10:13] <popey> hmm
[10:14] <mefrio> popey, what is this error? Some people who tested my app said it works
[10:14] <popey> that was me trying to run it manually
[10:14] <popey> gah, i should have wiped my phone
[10:14] <popey> its full of crap
[10:14] <popey> lemme re-flash and wipe
[10:14] <mefrio> popey, ok let me know
[10:16] <WebbyIT> nik90_, can I use your trash icon for calculator?
[10:16] <nik90_> WebbyIT: ofcourse!
[10:16] <nik90_> WebbyIT: created by paolo :)
[10:17] <WebbyIT> nik90_ thanks :) because we used an Icon namen 'user-symbolic-trash' that works on PC but not on Phone
[10:18] <nik90_> WebbyIT: I am investigating if we should all move it mobile-icon-theme which works on phone but not on desktop
[10:18] <nik90_> WebbyIT: recently there is a workaround for the desktop, but it needs extra commands to be run before launching the app. Something like export......
[10:18] <WebbyIT> nik90_ interesting
[10:19] <WebbyIT> mefrio, maybe you can save memories online only when user click on "Save"button in toolbar
[10:19] <nik90_> WebbyIT: But I think for 1.0 release, I wouldnt do it. Dont want things breaking at this point of time
[10:19] <mefrio> WebbyIT, it would make the app a bit slower
[10:20] <nik90_> WebbyIT: for the memory app, I thought you have to press the save button in order to save a memory
[10:21] <mefrio> WebbyIT, maybe I will do it as you said. It's too late to write a new storage system :(
[10:23] <WebbyIT> mefrio, you can implement it later
[10:24] <mefrio> WebbyIT, yeah anyway it is not so much slow...I will do that in the way you suggested
[10:24] <WebbyIT> mefrio, ok, good :)
[10:25] <popey> mefrio: so i should use memories from the apps lens? no separate download?
[10:26] <mefrio> popey, I am going to update a new version to fix the saving of memories but for now you can use the version from the app lens to see if it start
[10:27] <popey> ok
[10:27] <popey> i like the icon
[10:27] <narekb> someone said icon? :D
[10:27] <popey> reminds me of old photo albums - which I guess was what you were after
[10:28] <mefrio> beuno, hi :) can you publish it: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/60/ ?
[10:28] <popey> mefrio: i can
[10:28] <mefrio> popey, ok thank you :)
[10:28] <mefrio> nik90_, the camera photos bug should be fixed in that last version. Could you test?
[10:28] <popey> mefrio: done
[10:29] <harisha> Hello All
[10:29] <mefrio> popey, and also you, could you test if the photos taken with camera works? :)
[10:29] <popey> ok, memories starts here, but it took a long time to start from the apps lens
[10:29] <mefrio> thank you!
[10:29] <popey> how do we update apps on the device?
[10:29] <popey> ⍨
[10:29] <nik90_> mefrio: Do you have a click package link?
[10:29] <clepto> mefrio, you used picture_files?
[10:29] <narekb> popey, what smiley is that?
[10:29] <narekb> :D
[10:29] <popey> narekb: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/60/download/
[10:29] <popey> oops
[10:29] <mefrio> clepto, yes
[10:29] <popey> nik90_: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/60/download/
[10:29] <nik90_> popey: I remember seeing a update category appear sometimes.
[10:29] <WebbyIT> popey, same question here
[10:29] <mefrio> nik90_, it is available from the store
[10:29] <harisha> How to Create a Click package for applications that has dependencies?
[10:29] <nik90_> mefrio: access forbidden
[10:30] <clepto> harisha, what dependencies?
[10:30] <mefrio> nik90_, even with version 1.01?
[10:30] <harisha> I am using Qpid messaging Broker and libxml2 libraries
[10:30] <mefrio> popey, I think that the long time start is due to the U1db API which needs a while to create the db for the first time
[10:30] <nik90_> mefrio: no I mean I cannot access your click package from the link you pasted above
[10:31] <popey> nik90_: go to apps lens on device
[10:31] <popey> it shows up, click it, and it has an "install" button
[10:31] <popey> (even though you already have a version installed)
[10:31] <WebbyIT> popey, I have only Launch button
[10:32] <popey> bah, now its borked and doesnt show any installed apps
[10:32]  * popey reboots phone
[10:32] <nik90_> popey: I do not see memories in the suggestion category since I already installed it. Should I dist-upgrade to see it?
[10:32] <popey> no
[10:33] <popey> its a click package so dist-upgrade wont work
[10:33] <popey> reboot ☻
[10:33] <popey> or pkill unity8
[10:33] <mefrio> nik90_, do you need the click package?
[10:33] <WebbyIT> ok, I removed the app from adb shell and now I reboot
[10:33] <harisha> clepto: So how to provide these  dependencies?
[10:34] <mefrio> nik90_, here it is http://ubuntuone.com/6u5o0gWeoGPZfHgWDJXz5E
[10:34] <clepto> harisha, I don't know, maybe someone else can help you
[10:35] <harisha> clepto: Ok
[10:36] <popey> harisha: bundle them in your app package. click packages don't support external dependencies
[10:36]  * nik90_ is starting to hate click :(... get same error while installing memories
[10:36] <nik90_> and now memories has no toolbar
[10:37] <popey> those may be two separate issues
[10:37] <WebbyIT> Ok, I'll reflash my phone :/
[10:37] <clepto> popey, you are the only one who can install normally :P
[10:38] <popey> hah
[10:38] <mefrio> nik90_, an user experienced that bug, I think he was wellsb, but then he reflashed his phone and it worked :/
[10:38] <popey> in memories, i choose "take from camera" and i get a view on the camera
[10:38] <popey> but no way to take a picture
[10:38] <mefrio> popey, show the toolbar
[10:38] <popey> also it's rotated 90 degrees
[10:38] <nik90_> popey: swipe up to show toolbar
[10:38] <popey> oh! doh
[10:38] <popey> that worked
[10:38] <nik90_> mefrio: but you might want to add that as a button
[10:39] <popey> mefrio: http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-14-113858.png
[10:39] <mefrio> nik90_, yeah, I should do that maybe
[10:39] <nik90_> mefrio: also confirming popey's issue..the camera is rotated 90 degrees
[10:39]  * nik90_ is flashing phone again
[10:39] <narekb> what phone is it, nik90?
[10:39] <mefrio> popey, does it save the photos anyway?
[10:40] <nik90_> narekb: nexus 4 (mako)
[10:40] <narekb> ok
[10:40] <popey> mefrio: its not saved in ~/Pictures, where do you expect it to be saved?
[10:40] <nik90_> popey: when you press snap it takes a picture, but do you see it in the memory or in any other page?
[10:40] <popey> in the memory?
[10:40] <popey> yes, i see it in the memory
[10:40] <popey> see screenshot
[10:40] <clepto> popey, could you try mine too?
[10:40] <mefrio> popey, in Pictures :/
[10:41] <harisha> popey: But quite a few packages need to be included like dev, binary
[10:41] <popey> clepto: one moment, sure
[10:41] <popey> mefrio: ah, it is there!
[10:41] <popey> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# ls /home/phablet/Pictures/
[10:41] <popey> image20130914_0001.jpg
[10:41] <mefrio> popey, great! :)
[10:41] <popey> sorry
[10:41] <mefrio> popey, now I have to fix only the rotated camera, right?
[10:41] <popey> shows up in gallery too
[10:42] <popey> yeah, didnt test comprehensively, but that's the first thing I'd look at
[10:42] <mefrio> popey, I will look into camera-app...does it work fine?
[10:42] <popey> clepto: what am I testing?
[10:42] <popey> mefrio: yes, but that's not qmql
[10:42] <popey> qml
[10:42] <nik90_> mefrio: yes that works fine (camera-app)
[10:42] <mefrio> popey, ouch :/
[10:42] <clepto> popey, do this, go to create page - images tab - click toolbar button - enter title - press camera preview - press done
[10:42] <clepto> popey, and tell me if you see it
[10:43] <popey> clepto: which app?
[10:43] <nik90_> cnotes
[10:43] <clepto> popey, cnotes
[10:43] <clepto> popey, follow the steps in the exact order
[10:43]  * popey installs again ☻
[10:43] <popey> we so need an emulator
[10:43] <mefrio> popey, it seems to be qml http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/camera-app/trunk/view/head:/camera-app.qml#L69
[10:43] <popey> oh yay then
[10:44] <popey> my bad, it's gallery that isnt qml
[10:45] <mefrio> popey, maybe gallery devs should port it to QML...you can have good results with a few lines of QML, look at my gallery page for example
[10:45] <popey> clepto: i see no "create page" - do you mean "toolbar -> add" ?
[10:45] <popey> mefrio: gallery was developed by Yorba, externally
[10:45] <clepto> popey, yes
[10:45] <mefrio> popey, ah ok, I didn't know that
[10:46] <popey> clepto: camera is rotated for you too
[10:46] <clepto> popey, but it works? you can the photo in the list after?
[10:46] <nik90_> clepto: +1 ^^
[10:46] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-14-114632.png
[10:46] <nik90_> clepto: I was referring to popey bug
[10:47] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-14-114705.png buttons off-screen
[10:47] <clepto> nik90_, didn't get it :/
[10:47] <nik90_> clepto: I was +1 the camera being rotated
[10:47] <clepto> popey, oh, fixing now
[10:47] <clepto> nik90_, oh ok
[10:48] <popey> and when I add the photos dont appear in "images"
[10:48] <nik90_> mefrio: so is your updated package release by the app store or do I manually install your click package?
[10:48] <mefrio> nik90_, it is in the store
[10:48] <nik90_> mefrio: I just wiped and flashed my phone clean.so no apps installed
[10:48] <popey> mefrio: memories is updated in store
[10:48] <clepto> popey, did you clicked on the camera preview first? if you click on the camera preview a picture will appear below
[10:48] <popey> nik90_: the memories I tested was from store
[10:49] <mefrio> nik90_, could test again if the camera is still rotated? I can't see any reason why it should be. The code is ok!
[10:49] <popey> no
[10:49] <clepto> popey, enter title - press camera preview - press done
[10:49] <popey> clepto: it says I have to add a title
[10:49] <clepto> did you?
[10:49] <clepto> :P
[10:49] <popey> which is the done button?
[10:49] <popey> its off screen
[10:49] <mefrio> clepto, you also have a camera in your app, right? Does your camera produce rotated images?
[10:49] <nik90_> mefrio: it does for cnotes as well
[10:49] <clepto> mefrio, yes, popey confirmed it
[10:50] <clepto> popey, wait to fix it
[10:50] <mefrio> ok thanks
[10:50] <mefrio> clepto, do you have any idea why it happens?
[10:50] <clepto> mefrio, no idea
[10:50] <popey> clepto: yeah, tapping the preview just asks for a title, and no saving of photo is done
[10:50] <mefrio> perfect xD
[10:50] <clepto> mefrio, I don't think its our fault
[10:50] <mefrio> clepto, so do I
[10:50] <clepto> popey, investigating....
[10:51] <popey> k
[10:52] <mefrio> I am quitting...see you later
[10:53] <randomcpp> kalikiana, ping
[10:53] <nik90_> clepto: the memories (memory) are now permanent
[10:53] <nik90_> clepto: watever mefrio did worked!
[10:53] <nik90_> popey: do you also see duplicate application icons?
[10:53] <clepto> popey, everything work here, no offset, nothing... but I'll made some changes, did you first add a title and then clicked the camera preview?
[10:56] <clepto> nik90_, can you test the app too?
[10:58] <nik90_> clepto: can you update your app on the store like mefrio. much easier to get it then
[10:58] <clepto> nik90_, wait
[10:58] <popey> nik90_: yes
[10:59] <popey> clepto: yes
[11:00] <clepto> popey, https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/61/ could you published?
[11:00] <popey> suure
[11:00] <popey> done
[11:00] <clepto> nik90_, update
[11:01] <nik90_> clepto: 1 min, rebooting phone just to be safe and sure that I get the latest package
[11:02] <clepto> nik90_, ok
[11:02] <popey> wise
[11:03] <randomcpp> nik90_, I need to add a label with "Powered by Food2Fork.com" in the search page, where could I add it in your opinion?
[11:03] <randomcpp> under the search box?
[11:03] <nik90_> randomcpp: havent tried your app in a long time :P. Will build the latest and then let you know
[11:04] <randomcpp> nik90_, it didn't changed much
[11:04] <clepto> ohhh
[11:04] <clepto> nik90_, wai
[11:04] <clepto> t
[11:04] <randomcpp> since I hadn't a pc with me in the last week
[11:04] <clepto> nik90_, do not install
[11:04] <nik90_> clepto: crap :( just did
[11:04] <clepto> nik90_, forgot to update the files in the clean directory
[11:04] <clepto> nik90_, sorry, my fault
[11:05] <nik90_> clepto: no problem
[11:07] <clepto> popey, could you published again? https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/61/
[11:10] <nik90_> randomcpp: alrite just tried your app again
[11:11] <nik90_> randomcpp: did they want the "Powered by Food2Fork.com" to be always present? As in can we hide it during the search?
[11:11] <nik90_> randomcpp: I was thinking placing it beneath the search label (font a bit smaller).
[11:11] <popey> done clepto
[11:11] <clepto> popey, thanks
[11:11] <clepto> nik90_, try now :)
[11:18] <popey> back in a bit
[11:21] <clepto> nik90_, let me know when you test it
[11:22] <nik90_> clepto: I am getting a white screen now. rebooting device
[11:23] <clepto> ....
[11:24] <nik90_> clepto: I just reflashed phone to get your update, and now white screen.
[11:25] <clepto> what this time..?
[11:25] <clepto> nik90_, I don't think its my fault
[11:26] <clepto> when popey is back maybe he can help
[11:26] <nik90_> I guess
[11:26] <nik90_> clepto: just tried memories to confirm if this is image specific, but memory works fine
[11:26] <clepto> I'm gonna cry :P
[11:27] <clepto> nik90_, did you open the last update? I mean the one I forgot to replace the files
[11:28] <narekb> hey people, question, is Python used for Ubuntu app development or it gave way to JS and QML?
[11:28] <nik90_> clepto: I opened your last one it also white screen
[11:28] <clepto> nik90_, hmm
[11:28] <nik90_> clepto: then i reflashed and got your next update and again white screen
[11:29] <clepto> nik90_, in the last update i changed version from 0.3 to 0.3.1 , you think this may be the problem? can it be?
[11:30] <nik90_> clepto: not sure
[11:40] <randomcpp> nik90_, http://imgur.com/gRlHeSm
[11:41] <randomcpp> nik90_, it should be always visible
[11:42] <nik90_> randomcpp: that should do it.
[11:43] <randomcpp> is it ugly?
[11:43] <nik90_> randomcpp: nah it is fine.
[11:43] <nik90_> They are providing good info, so its okay
[11:44] <popey> clepto: back.. wassup?
[11:45] <clepto> popey, nik90_ get a white screen
[11:45] <popey> on cnotes?
[11:45] <clepto> popey, yes
[11:45] <clepto> popey, in the last update i changed version from 0.3 to 0.3.1 , you think this may be the problem? can it be?
[11:45]  * popey installs
[11:45] <nik90_> popey: i get a white screen on openingthe app.
[11:46] <popey> com.ubuntu.developer.christriant.cnotes_cnotes_0.3.2.desktop is the desktop file I have
[11:46] <clepto> popey, tell me the exec
[11:46] <clepto> it may be wrong
[11:46] <popey> this looks wrong /usr/share/CNotes/CNotes.qml
[11:46] <clepto> yep
[11:46] <clepto> my bad
[11:46] <popey> your app isn't in /usr/share/...
[11:47] <nik90_> clepto: why change that while fixing another bug?
[11:47] <narekb> randomcpp, you got a nice UI
[11:47] <clepto> nik90_, i replaced the files and the manifest too by mistake
[11:47] <popey> what is randomcpp's app?
[11:47] <nik90_> popey: saucybacon
[11:47] <narekb> probably a restaurant finder?
[11:48] <nik90_> popey: no click package yet
[11:48] <nik90_> popey: https://github.com/random-cpp/saucybacon
[11:48] <narekb> Python?
[11:48] <clepto> popey, https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/61/
[11:48] <nik90_> narekb: qml and js
[11:49] <nik90_> narekb: At the moment Ubuntu Touch supports C++, qml, JS but not Python
[11:50] <narekb> ok, GitHub is lying again
[11:50] <nik90_> lol
[11:50] <narekb> by the way, is Python support planned or the existing langauges will do?
[11:51] <popey> clepto: done
[11:51] <popey> oh, nice
[11:51] <clepto> nik90_, try
[11:51] <nik90_> clepto: I am going out now. be back in 45 minutes
[11:51] <clepto> ok
[11:52] <clepto> popey, could you try?
[11:52] <popey> sure
[11:52] <clepto> thanks man
[11:52] <popey> no problem
[11:52] <popey> got 10 mins before lunch
[11:52] <clepto> good
[11:52] <narekb> are you guys testing it on real devices
[11:52] <narekb> ?
[11:52] <popey> yes
[11:52] <narekb> oh
[11:52] <popey> i have a couple of nexus 4's I use for testing
[11:53] <narekb> *couple*
[11:53] <narekb> O.O
[11:53] <narekb> $.$
[11:53] <clepto> haha
[11:53] <popey> hah
[11:54] <narekb> you will never know the pain of being stuck with a ZTE Racer
[11:55] <clepto> narekb, i have an xperia x10 mini from 2010
[11:55] <narekb> clepto, can it run Android 4.0?
[11:55] <clepto> narekb, I'm running 4.1 but a slim rom
[11:55] <narekb> well, see?
[11:55] <narekb> mine can't even do that
[11:56] <narekb> many deevlopers tried to port ICS to Racer, but no one could
[11:56] <popey> white screen again clepto
[11:56] <clepto> what the,....
[11:56] <popey> oh, hang on
[11:56] <clepto> ?
[11:56] <popey> yeah, white screen from the app
[11:56] <popey> aa-exec: ERROR: profile 'com.ubuntu.developer.christriant.cnotes_cnotes_0.3.3' does not exist
[11:57] <clepto> popey, its in /opt right?
[11:57] <popey> yes
[11:57] <popey> uhm
[11:58] <popey> no manifest in /var/lib/apparmour/profiles
[11:58] <clepto> popey, my manifest http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105883/
[11:59] <clepto> popey, do you see anything strange?
[11:59] <popey> i dont know enough about them to tell
[11:59] <popey> what changed between the version that worked and this one?
[12:00] <clepto> popey, version from 0.3 to 0.3.1+
[12:00] <clepto> popey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105886/ desktop file
[12:00] <clepto> I think its correct
[12:00] <popey> I need to go to lunch, will have a look a bit later
[12:00] <clepto> should we try with a 0.4 version?
[12:01] <clepto> ok
[12:01] <popey> I don't know why you're getting the white screen but...
[12:01] <popey> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ sudo aa-exec-click -p com.ubuntu.developer.christriant.cnotes_cnotes_0.3.3 -- qmlscene -I . $@ ./CNotes.qml
[12:01] <popey> aa-exec: ERROR: profile 'com.ubuntu.developer.christriant.cnotes_cnotes_0.3.3' does not exist
[12:01] <popey> that looks broken somehow
[12:01] <popey> back later
[12:01] <clepto> ok
[12:25] <clepto> popey, if I i
[12:25] <clepto> popey, wrong
[12:26] <clepto> popey, check if in /opt in /current there is a manifest
[12:28] <clepto> mefrio, nik90_ told me that memories are now persistent, did you change anything?
[12:28] <mefrio> clepto, yes, I fixed that thing updating the database each time the save button is clicked
[12:29] <mefrio> nik90_, settings should be persistent anyway
[12:29] <clepto> oh
[12:29] <mefrio> popey, do you know where u1db saves the databases? Adding an empty database to the click package I can improve the first run speed
[12:30] <clepto> mefrio, can you give your manifest.json and desktop files?
[12:30] <clepto> mefrio, popey is having launch
[12:30] <clepto> lunch*
[12:30] <mefrio> sure just a minute
[12:32] <mefrio> clepto, http://pastebin.com/ZU1FH3eu
[12:32] <mefrio> http://pastebin.com/mG4vaKdZ
[12:34] <clepto> mefrio, I'm getting a white screen on startup and I'm trying to figure out why
[12:37] <clepto> mefrio, have you installed memories to Pc with "click install"?
[12:37] <mefrio> clepto, no
[12:37] <clepto> ok
[12:37] <mefrio> clepto, it should not install on PC as I am using an ARM module
[12:38] <mefrio> at least it should not run
[12:38] <clepto> yes its not running
[12:38] <clepto> i wanted to see which files were installed in opt
[12:40] <mefrio> clepto, I think I should do the same to see where is the u1db
[12:41] <mefrio> clepto, "ValueError: Framework "ubuntu-sdk-13.10" not present on system" do you know how to fix this error?
[12:41] <clepto> mefrio, you can' find it
[12:41] <clepto> mefrio, no
[12:41] <clepto> mefrio, you can't run the app so the db won't be created
[12:41] <mefrio> clepto, does you app make use of u1db?
[12:41] <clepto> ^
[12:42] <mefrio> I could replace the ARM module with a module build for my architecture
[12:42] <clepto> that may work
[12:42] <mefrio> clepto, can you try that and let me know if the u1db is created in the /opt app dir?
[12:44] <clepto> wait
[12:45] <clepto> mefrio i can't find the db, its not there
[12:46] <mefrio> clepto, ok thanks
[12:47] <mefrio> brb
[12:47] <clepto> mefrio, wait
[12:47] <clepto> mefrio, found it
[12:47] <clepto> ~/.local/share/Qt Project/QtQmlViewer
[12:47] <clepto> mefrio, I don't know if its the official path
[12:50] <clepto> WebbyIT, ping
[12:51] <rschroll> beuno or dholbach: I messed up my Ubuntu developer namespace.  Can you assist?
[12:57] <popey> yo
[12:58] <clepto> popey, should there be a manifest to the opt folder?
[13:01] <mefrio> clepto, thanks
[13:01] <popey> CNotes.desktop   CNotes.json~  data       manifest.json~  tests
[13:01] <popey> CNotes.desktop~  CNotes.qml    DirParser  pages           U1Backend.qml
[13:01] <popey> CNotes.json      components    images     showdown.js     view
[13:01] <popey> thats everything in current
[13:01] <clepto> here too
[13:03] <popey> clepto:  I am not sure what the layout should be, sorry
[13:03] <mefrio> popey, hey :) during your tests have you noticed if settings are persistent or not?
[13:03] <popey> I thought the manifest built an apparmour profile in /var/lib/apparmour/profiles
[13:03] <popey> during install
[13:03] <popey> mefrio: in memories
[13:03] <popey> ?
[13:03] <clepto> popey, can I search the paste.ubuntu.com for my previous entries?
[13:03] <mefrio> popey, yes
[13:03] <popey> clepto: no
[13:04] <clepto> great
[13:04] <popey> you should consider using bzr or git ☻
[13:04] <popey> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/09/14/%23ubuntu-app-devel.html
[13:04] <popey> grep that for your name and paste?
[13:05] <popey> getting white screen when starting memories too ⍨
[13:05] <popey> wonder if this is a problem with my device rather than your apps
[13:05]  * popey reflashes
[13:05] <clepto> wellsb, ping
[13:07] <clepto> popey, maybe
[13:25] <clepto> popey, did you reflashed?
[13:26] <popey> ya, one mo
[13:32] <mrqtros> Hi guys
[13:33] <mrqtros> Can someone test my click package? :) I have not device to test it :(
[13:33] <mrqtros> Here you are: http://ubuntuone.com/6stQMd0ExtHn0rrxwEN4QI
[13:35] <popey> clepto: still get white screen when starting cnotes
[13:35] <clepto> popey, memories?
[13:36] <clepto> where is dpm when you need him :P
[13:36] <popey> memories starts
[13:36] <clepto> so its my problem
[13:43] <clepto> popey, any error? some kind of output? anything?
[13:43] <mrqtros> My app uses C++ plugin. I can't participate in app showdown without good click package. I build one, but I really don't know can it work on real device or not. :( Please, someone help me.
[13:46] <clepto> nik90_, are you back?
[13:50] <clepto> popey, please try one last time... https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/61/
[13:51] <randomcpp> kalikiana, news about #1219862 ?
[14:07] <mrqtros> No one can? :( I just asking to install it and run. I must know is it valid or not.
[14:08] <clepto> mrqtros, maybe popey , WebbyIT , wellsb or nik90_ can..
[14:12] <mrqtros> popey, pleeeease :))
[14:12] <clepto> iBelieve, hi
[14:13] <iBelieve> clepto, hi
[14:14] <clepto> iBelieve, nik90_ told me that you had a problem with u1db not been persistent, how did you fix it?
[14:14] <iBelieve> clepto, when did he tell you that I had a problem? Because I'm afraid I still have it
[14:14] <iBelieve> clepto, https://github.com/iBeliever/tasks-app/issues/45
[14:14] <clepto> nice :P
[14:15] <clepto> iBelieve, Im getting a white screen when app is launched on phone
[14:15] <clepto> iBelieve, dont know  why
[14:15] <iBelieve> clepto, your app?
[14:15] <clepto> yes
[14:15] <iBelieve> clepto, could you pastebin your .desktop file? That might be the problem
[14:16] <clepto> ok but i checked it
[14:16] <clepto> iBelieve, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6106325/
[14:17] <iBelieve> clepto, that's odd. It looks fine to me. I had the same problem at first, but it was due to a bad Exec line
[14:17] <iBelieve> clepto, I wonder if beuno would know?
[14:19] <iBelieve> clepto, can you try launching it from the Terminal and see what errors you get?
[14:20] <clepto> iBelieve, i compile the extension made a click package, installed it on opt, and is launching fine
[14:20] <clepto> iBelieve, no errors
[14:20] <iBelieve> clepto, launching it how?
[14:20] <clepto> iBelieve, I don't know what to do..
[14:20] <clepto> iBelieve, with the command from exec, without $@
[14:20] <iBelieve> clepto, on the phone or desktop?
[14:21] <clepto> desktop
[14:21] <iBelieve> clepto, and you have a phone to test it?
[14:21] <clepto> iBelieve, no
[14:21] <WebbyIT> mrqtros, if you want I can try to install your app on my phone
[14:21] <clepto> iBelieve, popey did
[14:21] <iBelieve> clepto, and it didn't work for him?
[14:22] <clepto> iBelieve, white screen
[14:22] <iBelieve> clepto, you could try pinging him and asking for terminal output, or ping beuno to see if he knows why it won't launch.
[14:22] <clepto> he is busy now I believe
[14:23] <clepto> I though we couldn't get output from phone
[14:23] <clepto> WebbyIT could try it :D :D :D
[14:23] <WebbyIT> clepto, I have re re re flash the phone, so I can try :)
[14:24] <clepto> awesome
[14:24] <clepto> install it from the app lens
[14:24] <clepto> oh wit
[14:24] <clepto> beuno, can you accept? https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/61/
[14:25] <WebbyIT> clepto, nice icon :) Have I to wait?
[14:25] <clepto> WebbyIT, lucas work! can you accept the changes in myapps?
[14:26] <WebbyIT> clepto, sorry, I'm not in Ubuntu App Board
[14:26] <clepto> wait
[14:26] <clepto> WebbyIT, http://ubuntuone.com/5SlXlkVW8UPd8qYqivt7Zc
[14:26] <clepto> there you go
[14:28] <WebbyIT> clepto, I have the same error of this morning :/
[14:28] <WebbyIT> ERROR: Could not parse click manifest. Skipping 'com.ubuntu.developer.clepto.cnotes_cnotes_0.5.json'
[14:29] <clepto> ok
[14:29] <clepto> I'm going crazy
[14:29] <clepto> I give up, seriously
[14:30] <WebbyIT> clepto, I can try to install from dash
[14:30] <clepto> you will get previous version
[14:30] <iBelieve> clepto I got that error yesterday when running click install on my desktop. I don't think it's your problem
[14:31] <clepto> but pleasetry
[14:31] <clepto> please try *
[14:34] <clepto> WebbyIT, ^
[14:36] <WebbyIT> clepto, I'm tring but it doesn't install :/ Phone says that is installed but there isn't in installed apps, so I reboot and your app is in suggested apps :/
[14:36] <WebbyIT> clepto, I'm so sorry
[14:36] <clepto> WebbyIT, yeah, me too
[14:42] <iBelieve> nik90_, ping
[14:43] <clepto> iBelieve, the deadline is over tomorrow night?
[14:43] <iBelieve> clepto, http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=1440&iso=20130915T2355&msg=Ubuntu%20App%20Showdown%20Submission%20Deadline
[14:43] <iBelieve> clepto, 1 day and 9 hours
[14:43] <clepto> οκ
[14:45] <clepto> WebbyIT, ping
[14:45] <WebbyIT> clepto, yes?
[14:45] <clepto> WebbyIT, nevermind, sorry
[14:46] <WebbyIT> np
[14:46] <randomcpp> did anyone successfully compiled a c++ lib with cross compile?
[14:46] <popey> mrqtros: wassup?
[14:47] <popey> clepto: 0.5 is in the store
[14:47] <iBelieve> Could someone with a phone check to see if tasks are saved after Ubuntu Tasks is quitted and reopened?
[14:48] <WebbyIT> iBelieve, sure
[14:49] <iBelieve> WebbyIT, thanks. Basically I need to know if https://github.com/iBeliever/tasks-app/issues/45 happens for you too
[14:49] <popey> iBelieve: didnt work here
[14:49] <iBelieve> popey, tasks are not saved?
[14:49] <popey> create a project and a task
[14:49] <popey> then killed the app after a few seconds
[14:49] <popey> then opened it and i see no tasks
[14:50] <harisha> Hello All, where can i find ubuntu gradient background  image?
[14:50] <WebbyIT> iBelieve, how you save the tasks?
[14:50] <iBelieve> popey, I think it's because you killed the app.
[14:50] <iBelieve> popey, WebbyIT I save tasks using Component.onDestruction
[14:50] <popey> how else would it end?
[14:51] <WebbyIT> iBelieve, it doesn't work on phone
[14:51] <popey> i killed it by holding down the app and pressing the x in the corner, which is the default way to kill apps
[14:51] <WebbyIT> iBelieve, when you close an app onDestruction is not called
[14:51] <clepto> popey, WebbyIT , could you try to install the app from app lens?
[14:51] <iBelieve> popey, Oh, I thought you meant your force-killed the app someway so normal quiting was avoided
[14:52] <popey> well, you could consider it force quit
[14:52] <iBelieve> WebbyIT, It doesn't. That's bad. Is there any work around I could use?
[14:52] <popey> clepto: sure
[14:53] <WebbyIT> iBelieve, I save text in label every time user unfocus the label
[14:53]  * popey reboots phone
[14:53] <WebbyIT> iBelieve, dunno any other workaround
[14:55] <mefrio> popey, have you made some more tests with memories and settings?
[14:55] <WebbyIT> iBelieve, Saviq said that will be fix in SDK, but I don't know when
[14:56] <WebbyIT> iBelieve, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/1188292
[14:56] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1188292 in qtubuntu "Saved calculations are lost when the app is closed" [Undecided,New]
[14:56] <popey> hmm, clepto cnotes isn't showing up in store for me
[14:56] <popey> odd
[14:56] <popey> mefrio: nope..
[14:56] <clepto> popey, nothing is odd after today :P
[14:56] <iBelieve> WebbyIT, thanks for the info
[14:57] <mefrio> k
[14:57] <clepto> anyway, I'll be back in 2-3 hours.. I'll create a package from start
[14:58] <WebbyIT> I'm going to try to flash the new build
[14:58] <WebbyIT> popey, can you please try to open calculator, do a calc, tear off, insert a label, close and repoen the calculator?
[14:58] <clepto> WebbyIT, if you try my app please let me know
[14:59] <WebbyIT> clepto|away, sure, if I'm able to install it
[15:02] <WebbyIT> harisha, what are you looking for?
[15:05] <iBelieve> popey, do you know how the bug regarding Component.onDestruction not getting called will affect the judging of my app?
[15:05] <iBelieve> popey, do I need to find a workaround right away or will the judges recognize this isn't my fault and not count it against my app?
[15:07] <harisha> I needed Ubuntu theme background image  (maroon background)
[15:07] <harisha> where can i find this?
[15:08] <WebbyIT> harisha, background is implemented with Gradient proprierty, so you have to look the source code :)
[15:09] <popey> iBelieve: i have no idea
[15:09] <mefrio> nik90_, popey, clepto|away, maybe I have fixed the camera bug which made it to be rotated. If somebody could publish my latest click version you could test it and let me know if it works
[15:09] <mefrio> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/60/
[15:09] <harisha> source code of which app?
[15:10] <iBelieve> popey, okay thanks.
[15:10] <iBelieve> mhall119, ping
[15:11] <popey> mefrio: camera still rotated in 1.02
[15:12] <mefrio> popey, ok thank you
[15:12] <popey> np
[15:13] <WebbyIT> harisha, where you find brown background?
[15:14] <iBelieve> harisha, are you wanting to use the purple phone wallpaper as your app background?
[15:19] <harisha> ya purple one
[15:19] <harisha> the one which is used in Cnotes
[15:23] <mefrio> popey, I know I am boring but could you test 1.03? :) it should work https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/60/
[15:30] <popey> sure mefrio
[15:33] <popey> i think my phone is broken
[15:33] <popey> nothing seems working at the moment
[15:33] <popey> need to fix
[15:38] <Chocanto> mhall119: ping :)
[15:43] <rschroll> Anyone with a Ubuntu Touch device (popey, wellsb, etc): Can you test v0.1.3 of Beru, a epub reader. http://rschroll.github.io/beru/assets/com.ubuntu.developer.rschroll.beru_0.1.3_arm.click  Specific question: is your place in a book saved when you exit and restart?
[15:45] <popey> ok
[15:49] <mefrio> clepto|away, I should have fixed the camera orientation...let me know if it works for you when you get back: https://github.com/Mefrio/Memories/commit/eb0152b7e48f938e4d2f4e788f0ed886a91630ee#L0R21
[15:49] <popey> rschroll: define "exit"?
[15:49] <rschroll> popey: Completely quit the program
[15:50] <rschroll> I'm testing persistence on the filesystem
[15:51] <popey> rschroll: yup, works
[15:52] <mefrio> popey, if you have 5 minutes could you please test Memories so that I will now if it is very ready for the contest? :)
[15:52] <rschroll> popey: Great news!  It turns out using the .db file extension is necessary for U1DB.
[15:52] <popey> mefrio: got a link?
[15:52] <mefrio> popey, https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/60/ you have to publish latest update before test
[15:52] <popey> nah, i can download the click from there
[15:53] <popey> i already tested 1.03
[15:53] <popey> or did I?
[15:53] <rschroll> popey: One last thing if you have a chance, in the settings for a book, do all the different fonts show up?  (A screenshot with the font selector open would be enough for me.)
[15:53] <mefrio> popey, I don't think so, at least you did not tell me anything about that
[15:53] <popey> mefrio: will do in just a moment
[15:53] <popey> ok
[15:53] <mefrio> popey, ok thanks
[15:54] <popey> rschroll: http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-14-165354.png
[15:54] <popey> seems odd reading Sherlock Holmes in Ubuntu font ㋛
[15:54] <popey> odd in a good way
[15:55] <rschroll> popey: disappointing, but thanks!
[15:55] <popey> rschroll: what did you expect to see?
[15:56] <rschroll> Each should be in its own font, but it looks like only the Nimbus and Ubuntu fonts are available on the Touch
[15:56] <Chocanto> popey: Hey :) Have a good week-end ?
[15:56] <rschroll> Is there a list of fonts installed on the Touch by default?  Or even a list of packages for me to grep through?
[15:57] <Chocanto> rschroll: I think not
[15:58] <Chocanto> rschroll: But it would be good to create it :)
[15:59] <popey> rschroll: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 12 17:05 dejavu
[15:59] <popey> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 12 17:05 droid
[15:59] <popey> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 12 17:05 freefont
[15:59] <popey> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 12 17:05 ttf-dejavu
[15:59] <popey> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 12 17:05 ubuntu-font-family
[15:59] <Chocanto> popey: Do you know if we can add module in the click platform before the release ?
[15:59] <rschroll> Chocanto: Agreed.
[16:00] <popey> rschroll: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6106718/
[16:00] <Chocanto> popey: I talked about it to mhall119 last time but we didn't finish
[16:00] <popey> Chocanto: sure, speak to mhall119 or sdk people?
[16:01] <Chocanto> popey: Yes, but.. didn't have a final answer
[16:01] <Chocanto> popey: I will see with the sdk team but it will be difficult
[16:01] <rschroll> popey: Thanks.  No URW fonts?  Quite disappointing.
[16:01] <popey> rschroll: It's entirely possible we can add fonts to the base image
[16:01] <Chocanto> popey: Its about the I/O file plugin
[16:02] <popey> mefrio: something screwy is going on when i try and run memories
[16:02] <popey> I need to go offline for a bit, but will be around a bit later to try again once I flash my phone clean
[16:02] <mefrio> popey, what in particular?
[16:02] <popey> white screen
[16:02] <mefrio> popey, ok thanks
[16:02] <mefrio> I need to know if the settings are persistent and if the camera looks good :)
[16:02] <mefrio> see you later
[16:03] <rschroll> popey: Certainly, but I'm guessing it won't happen in the next 30 hours.  I may be able to bundle fonts in the click package for the time being.
[16:37] <mrqtros> webbyIt yes I want:)
[16:37] <mrqtros> WebbyIt I hope it is not too late :)
[16:38] <mrqtros> WebbyIt If it will successfully run - notify me, please :)
[16:43] <popey> mrqtros: hey, just after i shut my laptop down, the phone sparked into life and memories started
[16:44] <mrqtros> popey, what? :)
[16:44] <mrqtros> popey can you test my package? :)
[16:44] <mrqtros> popey  http://ubuntuone.com/6stQMd0ExtHn0rrxwEN4QI
[16:45] <mrqtros> popey I want to participate in app showdown with it, but currently I have not any way to test package :)
[16:45] <mrqtros> popey thanks :))
[16:55] <swordfish> Hello everyone... I'm sorry to bother you but can someone test my click package?... I've been struggling with it in the last few hours... Does it work? http://ubuntuone.com/5jHGrRwNc491cK28PkXwRj
[16:58] <clepto> rschroll, ping
[16:59] <popey> mrqtros: sure
[17:00] <popey> swordfish: will do in a moment
[17:00] <swordfish> popey, thank you...
[17:00] <clepto> rschroll, using .db in the U1DB path make the db to be persistent?
[17:03] <popey> mrqtros: odd. when i install it, no .desktop file is deployed in ~/.local/share/applications - I suspect this is a case problem, it     "name": "com.ubuntu.developer.mrqtros.YaD",
[17:03] <popey> it should be all lowercase
[17:04] <swordfish> wow popey  you have superpowers!... You are also fixing my problems :D
[17:04] <popey> lol
[17:04] <popey> brb
[17:10] <beuno> swordfish, a few other issues
[17:10] <beuno>     "lint_control_architecture_valid_contents": "found binaries for architecture 'all': "
[17:11] <beuno>     "desktop_validates (ubuntu-netwalk)": "did not validate: (ValidationError in file '/tmp/clickreview-j6rtu2/ubuntuNetwalk.desktop': \n- Key 'Encoding' is deprecated )"
[17:11] <beuno>     "desktop_Exec (ubuntu-netwalk)": "found unexpected Exec with architecture 'all': ./ubuntuNetwalk"
[17:12] <swordfish> beuno, thank you... Which means? I compiled the code on the phone using qmake and make...
[17:13] <swordfish> the capital N in the desktop is already fixed...
[17:20] <clepto> popey, how is your phone? :P
[17:21] <rschroll> clepto: Yes, at least with up-to-date apparmor settings
[17:22] <rschroll> See bug #1224126 for details
[17:22] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1224126 in apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu (Ubuntu Saucy) "qtdeclarative5-u1db1.0 should not use ~/.local/share/Qt Project for db files" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1224126
[17:22] <clepto> rschroll, good, I made the changes some versions back but I couldn't test it
[17:23] <rschroll> I'm finding that apparmor permissions work the same on the desktop + the phone, as long as you've installed via click on both
[17:23] <rschroll> So I'm testing on a desktop VM
[17:27] <rschroll> beuno: I've been told you may be able to help a fellow who's screwed up his Ubuntu developer registration
[17:45] <clepto> mefrio, thanks for the fix
[17:45] <mefrio> clepto, have you tested it on phone?
[17:45] <mefrio> you or somebody with a phone :P
[17:45] <clepto> mefrio, not yet
[17:45] <mefrio> clepto, ok. As I said it should work but we need someone to test it
[17:46] <clepto> beuno, https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/61/ can you accept?
[17:46] <clepto> popey, I think I got it! :D
[17:46] <mefrio> beuno, if you can, please accept mine app too :) https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/60/
[17:47] <swordfish> Thank you to who helpde me... But now  have to go ... Tomorrow next round, I will package it!! :)
[17:54] <nova__> hello all, I have a HTML5 app and i package it with click, where should i upload it for ubuntu app showdown?
[17:56] <clepto> nova__, https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/new/
[17:58] <nova__> clepto: Thanks, I ported my andorid app, i forgot to say
[18:03] <popey> nova__: nice, what is it?
[18:03] <clepto> popey, I think I fixed it! could you try?
[18:21] <beuno> clepto, looking
[18:21] <beuno> me4oslav, ditto
[18:22] <beuno> clepto, ERROR: Could not load 'CNotes.json'. Is it properly formatted?
[18:22] <beuno>     "lint_maintainer_format": "invalid format for maintainer: Chris Triantafillis"
[18:22] <beuno> needs to be "Your Name <your@email>"
[18:22] <beuno>     "lint_control_architecture_valid_contents": "found binaries for architecture 'all': ",
[18:23] <beuno> is that really for all arch's?
[18:23] <beuno> or just armhf?
[18:23] <me4oslav> beuno: eh?
[18:24] <beuno> me4oslav, ignore me, wrong nickname )
[18:24] <beuno> mefrio seems to ahve left
[18:24] <me4oslav> beuno: ah, ok
[18:26] <clepto> beuno, for armhf
[18:27] <clepto> beuno, .json seems fine
[18:27] <clepto> oh
[18:27] <clepto> wait
[18:27] <clepto> beuno, I fixed the maintainer thing
[18:28] <clepto> beuno, its just for armhf
[18:29] <beuno> clepto, jdstand will review the app, it's on his plate due to the binary in there
[18:29] <clepto> ok
[18:29] <clepto> beuno, do you have a phone?
[18:30] <beuno> clepto, not handy, it's the weekend and I'm just checking in to keep you guys unblocked  :)
[18:31] <Nova__> popey,  thanks ;) an app for learning english, but it does not follow ubuntu design guide
[18:32] <clepto> beuno, can't thank you enough! popey and WebbyIT too!
[18:33] <clepto> beuno, I re-compiled for armhf just to be sure, If i update it can you test it?
[18:33] <clepto> updated!
[18:34] <beuno> clepto, if my wife sees me grab my devicee for testing, I'll get in trouble   ;)
[18:34] <clepto> beuno, I mean this thing with lint something
[18:34] <clepto> that displays the errors
[18:34] <beuno> clepto, ah, yes, I can totally run it
[18:35] <clepto> beuno, https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/61/
[18:35] <clepto> :)
[18:35] <clepto> let me know
[18:37] <popey> beuno: would it make sense for developers to just branch the reviewer tools and review their own apps?
[18:37] <beuno> popey, eventually, yes, I'd like that integrated into the sdk
[18:37] <beuno> popey, right now it's a private branch as it has security checks as well, which will not be public
[18:38] <popey> ah
[18:38] <beuno> clepto, still missing the security json
[18:39] <beuno> or invalid
[18:40] <clepto> beuno, http://pastebin.com/Sh5nfxd5
[18:40] <clepto> beuno, http://pastebin.com/X0hgNE8z
[18:41] <clepto> beuno, chris@chris-K56CB:~/Documents/CNotes-2$ ls
[18:41] <clepto> CNotes.desktop  CNotes.qml  com.ubuntu.developer.christriant.cnotes_0.7_all.click  DirParser  manifest.json   pages        tests          view
[18:41] <clepto> CNotes.json     components  data
[18:41] <beuno> clepto, I see
[18:41] <beuno> you're missing a comma  :)
[18:41] <beuno>         "content_exchange"
[18:41] <clepto> damn
[18:41] <clepto> sorry!
[18:42] <beuno> it's ok, the SDK should guard against these things
[18:42] <beuno> we're just not there yet
[18:42] <clepto> beuno, https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/61/ :)
[18:42] <clepto> popey, what we really need is an emulator
[18:43] <popey> indeed
[18:43] <beuno> well
[18:43] <beuno> don't lxc's work?
[18:43] <beuno> clepto, bingo
[18:44] <beuno> except
[18:44] <beuno>     "security_policy_groups_safe (picture_files)": "(MANUAL REVIEW) reserved policy group 'picture_files': Can read and write to picture files. This policy group is reserved for certain applications, such as gallery applications. Developers should typically use the content_exchange policy group and API to access picture files instead."
[18:44] <clepto> beuno, I think I need it
[18:44] <beuno> and
[18:44] <beuno>     "lint_click_files": "found click packages in toplevel dir: com.ubuntu.developer.christriant.cnotes_0.7_all.click"
[18:44] <mefrio> hi guys I still need the help of someone with my app, https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/60/ I need to know if the settings are persistent and if the camera is rotated. If you have 5 minutes, please help me so that I can get ready for the contest
[18:45] <popey> ok
[18:45] <rschroll> beuno: Are you able to help someone who messed up his developer namespace?  (namely, me)
[18:45] <beuno> mefrio, hey, I reviewed your app, did you see?
[18:45] <clepto> beuno, can't we skip the second one? I just didn't delete the 0.7
[18:45] <beuno> rschroll, I did yesterday, didn't I?
[18:46] <mefrio> beuno, nope, let me see
[18:46] <beuno> clepto, that means that the .click file was packaged into 0.8
[18:46] <beuno> clepto, probably because it was at the top level dir?
[18:46] <rschroll> I was unaware -- let me check
[18:46] <clepto> grr
[18:47] <mefrio> beuno, will the content_exchange policy let me write in /home/user/Pictures folder?
[18:47] <clepto> same question ^
[18:47] <beuno> I don't know the details at that level, to be hones
[18:47] <beuno> honest, even
[18:47] <rschroll> beuno: So you did!  I guess I didn't see your reply.  Thanks a bunch!
[18:47] <clepto> beuno, updated!
[18:48] <beuno> AFAIK, you use content_exchange to deal with that
[18:48] <beuno> rschroll, np, let me know how it goes
[18:48] <clepto> beuno, but will content_exchange let us create pictures files?
[18:48] <mefrio> beuno, what is wrong with using the picture_files policy?
[18:48] <rschroll> beuno: Will do.  Sorry for the hassle.
[18:49] <beuno> clepto, that did it, but you've still got the permissions issue and that you're using architechture:all, when it should be armhf
[18:49] <beuno> mefrio, picture_files lets you read all of the pictures, not just the ones your app created
[18:49] <beuno> so that's a red flag by default
[18:50] <beuno> clepto, it should, yes
[18:50] <mefrio> beuno, I need to create the pictures too
[18:50] <mefrio> *I need to read them too
[18:50] <clepto> ok, let me change it then
[18:50] <beuno> mefrio, you can read the ones you create, sure
[18:50] <beuno> not the ones created by other apps
[18:50] <beuno> unless you can justify it
[18:50] <mefrio> beuno, I need to read the ones created by other apps
[18:51] <clepto> beuno, can you check? https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/61/
[18:51] <mefrio> beuno, my app offer a photo chooser dialog which let the user to choose a photo from the file system or to snap a new picture with the camera
[18:51] <beuno> mefrio, ok, can you reply then mentioning that?  someone from the security team will take a look then
[18:53] <mefrio> beuno, done
[18:53] <beuno> clepto, approved.
[18:54] <beuno> mefrio, thanks, now we wait  :)
[18:54] <beuno> (none of them are around atm)
[18:54] <clepto> beuno, finally :P
[18:54] <mefrio> beuno, I hope they will read it at least for tomorrow morning. I need it :( it may be a fix for an important bug
[18:54] <clepto> I was making mistake all day
[18:54] <mefrio> beuno, could you please test click which is going to be reviewed?
[18:55] <mefrio> beuno, I need to know if the camera is rotated
[18:55] <clepto> popey, can you test my app? I think I fixed it
[18:55] <beuno> mefrio, I can't, don't have a testing device handy
[18:55] <mefrio> beuno, ok thanks
[18:57] <popey> sure
[18:59] <popey> clepto: fyi it takes ~8 seconds to start up on my device
[18:59] <clepto> popey, that u1db faults
[18:59] <clepto> popey, but it starts????
[19:00] <clepto> :D
[19:00] <popey> yes ☻
[19:00] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-14-195958.png
[19:00] <clepto> popey, click add in the toolbar
[19:00] <popey> (I'm watching Doctor Who) ☻
[19:00] <clepto> popey, create a note
[19:00] <clepto> and then try to edit it
[19:00] <clepto> i need to see if it works
[19:01] <popey> yup
[19:01] <clepto> works?
[19:01] <popey> ya
[19:01] <clepto> ok
[19:01] <popey> created a note, edited it
[19:01] <clepto> last thing
[19:01] <clepto> almost last thing :P
[19:02] <popey> back confuses it
[19:02] <clepto> add a picture
[19:02] <clepto> what do you mean?
[19:02] <popey> going "back" it goes back into a new memory page
[19:02] <popey> from the list of memories page
[19:02] <clepto> you mean notes
[19:02] <clepto> I'll fix that
[19:03] <clepto> popey, i need two things, first test if notes remains after closing the app
[19:03] <popey> so if you edit a note then save, you get back to the summary of your note (uneditable) as you expect, but when you press back from there it takes you back into the note
[19:03] <beuno> ok, I'k off for a few hours!
[19:04] <clepto> popey, what do you mean uneditable?
[19:04] <popey> you know the view of your note before you hit edit
[19:04] <popey> that
[19:04] <popey> opening the app a second time fails, white screen
[19:05] <clepto> god,why??
[19:06] <clepto> popey, open the app and try to add an picture
[19:06] <clepto> popey, tell me if the buttons look good too
[19:06] <popey> trying to re-open the app
[19:06] <popey> ok, hte note is still there
[19:06] <popey> it retained it after closing / re-opening
[19:07] <clepto> popey, ok good
[19:07] <popey> which buttons?
[19:07] <clepto> in the camera dialog
[19:07] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-14-200736.png
[19:08] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-14-200753.png
[19:08] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-14-200813.png
[19:08] <clepto> popey, waittt
[19:08] <clepto> popey, wrong app :P
[19:08] <popey> lol
[19:08] <popey> CONFUSED!
[19:08] <clepto> haha
[19:08] <popey> sorry dude!
[19:08] <popey> lets start again :D
[19:09] <popey> hy mefrio your app looks great ㋛
[19:09] <clepto> not your fault, its been a long day
[19:09] <clepto> haha
[19:09] <clepto> popey, just don't tell me that my app doesn't work :P
[19:09] <popey> right, starting again
[19:09] <mefrio> popey, thank you :) have you tested the camera?
[19:09] <popey> mefrio: yeah, see screenshots above
[19:09] <clepto> mefrio, look above for a design thing ^
[19:10] <mefrio> popey, so it works :) thank you!
[19:10] <mefrio> clepto, what?
[19:10] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-14-201025.png
[19:10] <clepto> popey> so if you edit a note then save, you get back to the summary of your note (uneditable) as you expect, but when you press back from there it takes you back into the note
[19:10] <clepto> mefrio, ^
[19:10] <clepto> popey, add a title, click on the camera preview, click done
[19:11] <clepto> popey, does the photo appear?
[19:11] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-14-201108.png
[19:11] <popey> OSK obscures title dialog
[19:11] <clepto> how to fix that?
[19:11] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-14-201133.png
[19:11] <mefrio> clepto, I think that adding a stack.pop() would solve your issue...I have to implement that too
[19:11] <clepto> maybe i should move the entry up
[19:11] <clepto> mefrio, yeah
[19:12] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-14-201155.png
[19:12] <popey> gave it a title and clicked add
[19:12] <clepto> popey, add title and then click on the camera previes
[19:12] <clepto> popey, you will see a photo preview below
[19:12] <clepto> maybe I should change the process
[19:13] <popey> tap the photo?
[19:13] <clepto> yes
[19:13] <popey> does nothing
[19:14] <clepto> popey, will you wait to change the process?
[19:14] <clepto> for me to change*
[19:14] <popey> sure
[19:14] <clepto> thanks
[19:14] <popey> I am around this evening
[19:14] <popey> it's only 20:15 here
[19:14] <clepto> 22:15 here
[19:15] <clepto> i want to watch eurobasket :P
[19:18] <popey> my daughter has a sleepover, 3 other kids here. I am avoiding them ☻
[19:18] <clepto> haha
[19:19] <mefrio> clepto, I have done that! While clicking on save do this thing "stack.clear(); stack.push(homePage); stack.push(notePage)"
[19:19] <mefrio> it's easy :)
[19:20] <clepto> mefrio, thanks for the tip
[19:22] <mefrio> you are welcome
[19:22] <rschroll> beuno: I've managed to confuse the app submission process.  First I went to My Apps and filled out a submission.  But that wasn't for click packages.  I found the click package submission, but now it's telling me that I already have a click package with the name "beru".  Went back to My Apps, deleted the previous submission, but no change.
[19:27] <clepto> popey, sorry for the delay, I got a problem with saving the pictures, you'll have to wait a bit more
[19:27] <popey> hey no worries, take as long as you like
[19:27] <popey> I'll be around for a coupleof hours
[19:41] <mrqtros> popey, are you there? :)
[19:42] <mrqtros> popey, here*
[19:42] <mrqtros> popey, can you try fixed one? http://ubuntuone.com/6XzdbAMOGunQthbIEeMSyY
[19:47] <popey> mrqtros: back in 30 mins or so. need to pop out
[20:14] <clepto> popey, fixed, going to update now
[20:16] <clepto> popey, updated! https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/61/
[20:22]  * rschroll nearly crashed his computer with *javascript*.
[20:41]  * popey returns
[20:41] <popey> clepto: ok
[20:43] <mrqtros> popey I am happy that you come back :)
[20:44] <popey> heh
[20:46] <popey> clepto: http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-14-214643.png it's gone sideways again
[20:49] <clepto> popey, try to add a picture
[20:49] <popey> mrqtros:   "error": {
[20:49] <popey>     "desktop_Exec (YaD)": "absolute path '/usr/bin/qmlscene $@ ./YaD.qml' for Exec given in .desktop file."
[20:49] <clepto> popey, I'll fix that later
[20:49] <popey> clepto: k
[20:50] <mrqtros> popey, should I use simply "./qmlscene"? :)
[20:50] <mrqtros> popey, you already have experience :)
[20:50] <clepto> mrqtros,
[20:51] <clepto> qmlscene ./Yad.qml
[20:51] <clepto> mrqtros, qmlscene $@ ./Yad.qml
[20:51] <clepto> mrqtros, do you use any extension or modules?
[20:51] <popey> clepto: it doesn't add a picture when i click capture then add
[20:52] <clepto> popey, ok, so that has to do with creating files in the app fir
[20:52] <clepto> dir*
[20:53] <clepto> popey, are the notes persistent when quitting and re-opening??
[20:53] <mrqtros> clepto, yes
[20:53] <mrqtros> clepto, my app uses qml extension
[20:53] <clepto> mrqtros, then use
[20:54] <mrqtros> -I \. ? :)
[20:54] <clepto> qmlscene -I modules $@ path_to_main_qml
[20:54] <clepto> -I ./ *
[20:55] <popey> clepto: yes, the notes are saved
[20:55] <clepto> popey, good!
[20:55] <clepto> popey, do you know how I can take the pictures folder?
[20:55] <clepto> i mean
[20:55] <mrqtros> clepto, "Exec=qmlscene -I /. $@ ./YaD.qml" ? :)
[20:55] <clepto> popey, if I use ~/Pictures will it work?
[20:56] <clepto> mrqtros, Exec=qmlscene -I ./ $@ ./YaD.qml
[20:57] <mrqtros> clepto, thx, I so tired today, make mistakes even in trivial things :(
[20:57] <popey> I dont think you can rely on that working
[20:57] <popey> because aparmour will prevent it
[20:57] <clepto> mrqtros, I've been make mistakes all day :P
[20:57] <clepto> popey, any workaround?
[20:59] <mrqtros> popey, seems all is ok now :) http://ubuntuone.com/0jSPgHhQgrLOfGhzjE81MT
[20:59] <popey> I don't know.
[21:00] <clepto> mhall119, ping
[21:25] <clepto> popey, ping
[21:28] <popey> clepto: pong
[21:30] <clepto> popey, https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/61/
[21:31] <clepto> accept and test please :)
[21:31] <clepto> popey, images should work now
[21:32] <popey> k
[21:35] <GuidoPallemans> hey guys, I got another problem building (with click) my app: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6107784/
[21:36] <mrqtros> popey ping
[21:36] <clepto> GuidoPallemans, how do you build it?
[21:36] <popey> mrqtros: pong
[21:36] <GuidoPallemans> with the qt creator packager
[21:37] <popey> clepto: nope, same as before
[21:37] <popey> clepto: camera sideways and it doesn't save
[21:37] <clepto> popey, did you accept? https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/61/changerequest/
[21:38] <popey> clepto: no, just downloaded directly from the site
[21:38] <popey> mrqtros: cant yet YAD to run
[21:38] <popey> click icon, nothin happens
[21:38] <clepto> popey, ls ~/Pictures/.cnotes/
[21:38] <clepto> replace ~/
[21:39] <popey> doesn't exist clepto
[21:39] <mrqtros> popey notify me please when you'll try to run it, ok? :) Huge thanks! :))
[21:39] <popey> mrqtros: i tried
[21:39] <popey> mrqtros: it wouldn't start
[21:40] <mrqtros> popey and you can't see any errors? :(
[21:40] <popey> let me try from the command line
[21:40] <popey> Exec=aa-exec-click -p com.ubuntu.developer.mrqtros.yad_YaD_0.3 -- /usr/bin/qmlscene $@ ./YaD.qml
[21:40] <popey> i spy uppercase characters
[21:41] <mrqtros> w8 :)
[21:41] <clepto> popey, id you run from the command line does it return anything?
[21:41] <clepto> if*
[21:41] <mrqtros> popey I already sent you v0.5
[21:41] <popey> clepto: will try
[21:41] <mrqtros> com.ubuntu.developer.mrqtros.yad_0.5_all.click
[21:41] <popey> mrqtros: ah, link?
[21:41] <popey> sorry, missed it
[21:42]  * popey is juggling click packages and phones ☻
[21:42] <mrqtros> popey http://ubuntuone.com/0jSPgHhQgrLOfGhzjE81MT
[21:42]  * clepto too!
[21:43] <popey> mrqtros: http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-14-224344.png
[21:43] <mrqtros> Is there anything bad in uppercase when we are talking about file names? :) I hope no, my package's filename contains uppercase :)
[21:44] <mrqtros> popey perfeeeeeect!! :)))
[21:44] <mrqtros> popey thanks :)
[21:44] <popey> np
[21:44] <mrqtros> popey btw you can try it when you will get free time :)
[21:45] <mrqtros> popey as you can see fields already contain values of test account :)
[21:46] <popey> i have no idea what it is! :D
[21:47] <mrqtros> popey cloud storage client :) Yandex.Disk - Russian cloud service.
[21:47] <popey> oh nice!
[21:47] <popey> they have an API?
[21:47] <mrqtros> popey ported app from MeeGo. On MeeGo there are only one way to use this service - my app :)
[21:47] <popey> haha, excellent
[21:48] <mrqtros> popey yep, very good and simple api
[21:48] <clepto> popey, I don't get why it doesn't work... maybe its my c++ extension
[21:48] <popey> nicely done
[21:48] <popey> clepto: will try from cli, one mo
[21:48] <clepto> popey, take your time
[21:48] <clepto> its getting on my nerves
[21:49] <GuidoPallemans> appereantly the pathe to the project cant contain any spaces.. kinda weird
[21:51] <mrqtros> popey big thanks, because of you I can participate in showdown :))
[21:52] <popey> no problem
[21:54] <mrqtros> Good night, guys :)
[21:58] <GuidoPallemans> and now I have this... http://imgur.com/9t8ZdMD
[22:12] <GuidoPallemans> Hey guys, I'm still getting an error trying to upload an app: http://imgur.com/9t8ZdMD
[22:13] <clepto> GuidoPallemans, try with just the click package
[22:13] <GuidoPallemans> clepto: I just get one server error then
[22:13] <clepto> no idea...
[22:15] <GuidoPallemans> is there an IRC channel for site stuff like this?
[22:42] <clepto> popey, I added a new version to check if the problem is my extension.. when you can download the new version before testing


[03:58] <Amaranth> hmm, it sounds like gnome-appearance properties is doing something to compiz settings
[03:58] <Amaranth> s/e p/e-p/
[03:59] <Amaranth> I've gotten a couple bug reports about some compiz settings randomly getting reset but it seems to only happen when doing something else in g-a-p
[07:47] <pitti> Good morning
[08:03] <didrocks> hello pitti
[08:03] <pitti> hey didrocks
[08:45] <baptistemm> hello & good morning
[08:45] <baptistemm> chrisccoulson, apparently you're now a father?
[08:46]  * baptistemm is just 1 week late at least
[08:51] <Tm_T> baptistemm: no, he is late, there's no flood of pictures in here (:
[09:12] <seb128> hey there
[09:13] <baptistemm> hi seb128
[09:18] <didrocks> lut seb128
[09:18] <didrocks> hey baptistemm
[09:19] <seb128> salut baptistemm didrocks
[09:36] <pitti> hey seb128
[09:37] <pitti> seb128: good news wrt. boot speed: http://www.piware.de/2009/11/sudo-dpkg-p-hal/ :)
[09:37] <pitti> seb128: hm, aren't you on vac today?
[09:37] <seb128> hey pitti
[09:38] <seb128> on swap day officially
[09:38] <seb128> but I've a little ubuflu for some days and the weather is not so nice
[09:39] <seb128> so I'm in a "staying inside and looking a boot speed" mood now
[09:39] <seb128> great work ;-)
[09:39] <soren> If having a swap day /and/ being ill doesn't stop you from working, what will? :)
[09:40] <seb128> well, I slept in the morning and will probably be out in the afternoon
[09:40] <seb128> but right now I'm doing some computer ;-)
[09:40] <soren> Good boy :)
[09:40] <seb128> pitti, btw, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/bootchart/seb128-dellmini-lucid-20091127-2.png
[09:41] <seb128> chart of the day, we are back on normal timing with compiz fixed
[09:41] <pitti> good
[09:41] <seb128> pitti, I did some playing yesterday, removed nautilus from the session, turned off compiz and moved Xsession.d away
[09:41] <seb128> desktop loading was still some 7 seconds
[09:42] <pitti> darn
[09:42] <didrocks> soren: didn't you know that seb128 was unstoppable? :)
[09:42] <soren> didrocks: Yes, I noticed :)
[09:42] <pitti> but on your boot chart, compiz, nautilus, and gnome-panel each take 11 seconds still
[09:43] <seb128> right
[09:43] <pitti> hm, there's still xkbcomp, I thought that was gone now
[09:43] <seb128> pitti, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/bootchart/seb128-dellmini-lucid-20091126-52.png
[09:44] <seb128> that's the no compiz, no nautilus, no Xsession.d
[09:44] <pitti> ah, so there it's ssh-agent, g-s-d, and panel delays
[09:45] <seb128> right
[09:45] <seb128> I discussed with Scott yesterday
[09:45] <seb128> I think we will need to go back to what old gnome-session did
[09:45] <seb128> start everything together
[09:45] <pitti> and defer drawing until g-s-d sends a signal "theme set"?
[09:46] <seb128> we will never reach the target with ordering
[09:46] <pitti> *nod*
[09:46] <seb128> no
[09:46] <seb128> just start everything
[09:46] <seb128> we don't care about theme set, moving, flickering
[09:46] <seb128> we don't show the desktop while loading
[09:47] <pitti> right, but won't redrawing the desktop cost us more CPU?
[09:47] <seb128> setting the theme etc takes some 1 second
[09:47] <pitti> (on theme change)
[09:47] <seb128> which is the g-s-d to next components delay
[09:48] <seb128> well, that needs testing but my gut feeling is that it will cost less that the 1 second delay we have there...
[09:48] <pitti> i. e. could nautilus'/panel's do_update_screen() whatever just return until it receives a signal from g-s-d?
[09:48] <seb128> especially with duo cores
[09:48] <pitti> ok, so let's shelve that idea until when we need it
[09:48] <seb128> yes
[09:49] <seb128> I think that signal thing makes sense
[09:49] <seb128> but right now we block nautilus, etc start on theme to be set
[09:49] <seb128> we should maybe block displaying on it
[09:49] <seb128> this way we would do inits, loading, etc already
[09:49] <pitti> right
[09:49] <pitti> and perhaps we can load the extensions first, and then draw the desktop
[09:49] <pitti> (or perhaps that already happens)
[09:49] <seb128> but that's not something we can do from gnome-session
[09:50] <seb128> yes, that already happens
[09:50] <seb128> I would say drop the "wait on g-s-d" to start and see how it goes
[09:50] <pitti> so in the usual case, we coudl think that panel loading menus, or nautlus loading extensions will usually take longer than g-s-d loading the theme, and we win
[09:50] <seb128> there is a chance that the theme will be in place before nautilus reach the drawing code anyway...
[09:50] <pitti> and if g-s-d is really slower, you get a redraw, but *shrug*, it's behind xsplash
[09:50] <seb128> right
[09:50]  * pitti hugs seb128
[09:51]  * seb128 hugs pitti back
[09:51] <pitti> seb128: how much work is it to drop the phase handling from g-s?
[09:51] <seb128> I was just starting looking at that
[09:51] <pitti> i. e. is it just changing the .desktop files/gconf keys, or does it require code changes?
[09:51] <pitti> man, you rock
[09:51] <seb128> I will do a first quick hack now
[09:51] <seb128> ie edit desktop files and gconf keys
[09:52] <seb128> not sure yet if code changes are required
[09:52] <seb128> I just started with a drop from phases from autostart desktops there
[09:52] <seb128> I will also empty required components
[09:52] <seb128> and add normal autostarts for gnome-panel, compiz, nautilus
[09:53] <seb128> let's see how that goes
[10:16] <pitti> seb128: want me to add the dx work items into a desktop-lucid-dx-integration blueprint?
[10:36] <mac_v> seb128: hi... I'm unable to find the dup of Bug #481411 .... the closest i could find is Bug #398110 , are you sure its been reported already... [or maybe i'm blind :(  ]
[10:38] <seb128> mac_v, for one thing that bug describe severals issues
[10:38] <mac_v> yeah , the second bug has many problem. but 481411 is only about the alignment
[10:38] <seb128> mac_v, bug #437414
[10:38] <seb128> for example
[10:39] <mac_v> seb128: ah.. awesome , thanks
[10:39] <seb128> you're welcome
[10:40]  * seb128 kicks the session menu hibernate
[10:40] <seb128> I keep selecting that by mistake
[10:40] <seb128> no confirmation
[10:46] <mac_v> seb128: i also do the same mistake ;) > Bug #367626
[11:16] <asac> pitti: what is desktop team doing to target specs for milestones accurately? do you split up specs to reflect things that will be done in two steps? e.g. first for alpha-2, rest for -3 etc.?
[11:18] <pitti> asac: we don't split up, we just target them to a2, and then re-target later on for the remaining work items
[11:19] <asac> ok thanks!
[11:21] <pitti> asac: also, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WorkItemsHowto has some thoughts about splitting the WIs in the blueprint whiteboard
[11:22] <asac> pitti: can i already use that syntax without breaking the parser?
[11:23] <pitti> asac: sure, it will just look at "Work items:", not at anything else
[11:23] <pitti> it's just for shelving future work items
[11:23] <pitti> and track them without going into the parser while we are pre-alpha2
[11:24] <asac> ah
[11:24] <asac> ok so current ones go in Work items: ... and the future ones in something else ... makes sense
[11:24] <asac> first thought we would use that syntax to target too ... but ok
[11:25] <asac> so i am using: Work items for post-alpha-2:
[11:25] <pitti> that should be fine
[11:25] <pitti> asac: the only drawback is that it won't go into the "lucid" work item chart
[11:26] <pitti> but we don't actually have (a lot of?) such "split" specs in desktop
[11:26] <pitti> they are either completely for alpha-2, or just for final
[11:26] <pitti> asac: for such finer-grained scheduling we probably need to switch to bugs
[11:27] <asac> right. but the spec i am looking at is of the kind "investigate, document and defer new work items for post-alpha-2" anyway
[11:27] <asac> so the work items would get expanded anyway
[11:27] <asac> yeah. when do you think can we use bugs? this cycle?
[11:27] <pitti> when there's a demand for it and someone (me?) finds time to implement it
[11:28] <pitti> we didn't have a real demand for it so far
[11:28] <asac> all fine.
[11:28] <pitti> it's quite some overhead, so we don't want to use it for all WIs
[11:28] <asac> right
[11:28] <asac> i would think splitting up specs would be less overhead if we really want that
[11:29] <asac> rather then editing bugs etc. for each item
[11:31] <asac> pitti: how about parsing all work items.*: for the main trendline chart? so we can split up now and things we know about wouldnt be initially hidden?
[11:32] <asac> (or later hidden)
[11:32] <pitti> if you can invent an easy and robust syntax and semantics for that, sure
[11:32] <pitti> could perhaps be
[11:32] <asac> so basically have two parser runs: a) full cycle items: "work items.*" ... and b) target milestone tasks: "work items:"
[11:32] <pitti> work items: -> (always considered)
[11:33] <pitti> Work items (milestone-name): -> only considered for that particular milestone name
[11:33] <pitti> asac: other way round rather, I guess?
[11:33] <pitti> work items.*: -> always considered, rather
[11:33] <asac> right like i said ;)
[11:33] <seb128> pitti, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/bootchart/seb128-dellmini-lucid-20091127-8.png
[11:33] <seb128> ^ all started together
[11:34] <pitti> asac: "work items:" would then just be for the entire cycle
[11:34] <asac> both ways work i think.
[11:35] <asac> so basically we have
[11:35] <asac> Work items (next-milestone):
[11:35] <asac> ...
[11:35] <asac> and then for the rest we will schedule later
[11:35] <pitti> seb128: now, that looks much more compact already
[11:35] <asac> Work items:
[11:37] <asac> whatever is easier for you to implement
[11:37] <pitti> seb128: seems that pulseaudio is started three times?
[11:38] <seb128> pitti, is it?
[11:39] <pitti> seb128: by canberra-gtk, gnome-volume-applet, and again by gnome-session
[11:40] <seb128> oh right
[11:40] <seb128> weird
[11:41] <seb128> that's one of those things it would maybe make sense to get starting earlier
[11:43] <seb128> pitti, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/bootchart/seb128-dellmini-lucid-20091127-15.png
[11:43] <seb128> ^ without menus
[11:43] <seb128> it's some 0.3s win
[11:43] <seb128> not a lot
[11:44] <pitti> a bit less CPU on panel, yes
[11:48] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[11:49] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[11:49] <seb128> how are you?
[11:49] <seb128> hello Keybuk
[11:49] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128. i'm ok thanks, how are you?
[11:49] <seb128> good thanks
[11:49] <Keybuk> morning(ish)
[11:49] <seb128> Keybuk, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/bootchart/seb128-dellmini-lucid-20091127-8.png
[11:50] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[11:50] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti, how are you?
[11:50] <seb128> Keybuk, I did try to make every run as an application in gnome-session
[11:50] <pitti> Keybuk: http://www.piware.de/2009/11/sudo-dpkg-p-hal/ *grin*
[11:50] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'm good, thanks!
[11:50] <seb128> ie no early components blocking things
[11:51] <Keybuk> seb128: that looks pretty good, no?
[11:51] <seb128> better yes
[11:51] <seb128> we still have a ~1s gap
[11:51] <seb128> but I think it's gconfd as chrisccoulson pointed yesterday
[11:51] <Keybuk> we probably need something between the two, in practice; a gnome-session that starts things in a certain order, but with no gaps
[11:51] <chrisccoulson> i was going to do some profiling with gnome-session today to try and figure out what the gap is
[11:51] <seb128> right
[11:52] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you rock ;-)
[11:52] <Keybuk> gconfd doesn't appear until later on your chart
[11:52] <chrisccoulson> i tried last night, but when i ran gnome-session manually from xterm, i didn't see that delay :-/
[11:52] <asac> pitti: so if we parse the way you suggested, wouldnt just "work items:" mean that those are targetted to whatever milestone the blueprint is targetted for?
[11:52] <asac> rather than "entire cycle" (not that its really different)
[11:53] <seb128> Keybuk, hum, it seems rather it's done loading around the time everything starts
[11:53] <asac> e.g. moving towards targetting full blueprint from "first" delivery milestone to "final delivery"?
[11:53] <chrisccoulson> Keybuk - "a gnome-session that starts things in a certain order, but with no gaps" should already happen with the current design, if clients register faster
[11:53] <seb128> chrisccoulson, well, "if clients register faster"
[11:53] <seb128> like g-s-d takes over 1 second
[11:54] <seb128> to set themes, etc
[11:54] <Keybuk> even if they registered at the top of main, you'd still be loading executables and relocating symbols in series
[11:54] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i don't understand why that happens actually. gnome-session doesn't wait for clients to register in the initialization phase (where g-s-d starts)
[11:54] <chrisccoulson> it waits for them to exit before starting the next phase
[11:55] <chrisccoulson> and g-s-d fork()'s before loading the plugins and setting the theme
[11:55] <Keybuk> chrisccoulson: assumedly you wait for them to fork() ?
[11:55] <chrisccoulson> Keybuk - yes
[11:55] <Keybuk> that's the last thing most software does before entering its main loop
[11:55] <Keybuk> so again, you're doing all the initialisation in series
[11:55] <chrisccoulson> Keybuk - i'll have a look at g-s-d in a second, but I thought it fork()'ed before loading the plugins
[11:55] <chrisccoulson> i might be wrong though
[11:56] <seb128> http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/bootchart/seb128-dellmini-lucid-20091127-22.png
[11:56] <seb128> http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/bootchart/seb128-dellmini-lucid-20091127-22.png is an empty gnome-panel
[11:56] <seb128> lunch, bbl
[11:57] <chrisccoulson> Keybuk - you're right. it fork()'s very early on, but the parent only terminates before entering the main loop (after loading the plugins)
[11:57] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure why it delays terminating the parent until then
[11:57] <Keybuk> obviously sometimes letting everything run at once isn't the right solution either
[11:58] <Keybuk> but most machines now have multiple cores
[11:58] <Keybuk> so you can run multiple CPU-bound apps at once anyway
[11:58] <Keybuk> and most aren't CPU bound, but doing syscalls
[11:58] <Keybuk> (or IO which should already be in the page cache)
[11:59] <chrisccoulson> i'll have a look at removing that delay later, but i want to try and figure out where this other 1 second goes first
[11:59] <Keybuk> timechart may help more than bootchart at this stuff
[11:59] <Keybuk> but requires kernel patching and struff
[12:00] <chrisccoulson> timechart?
[12:00] <chrisccoulson> ah, http://blog.fenrus.org/?p=5
[12:00] <pitti> asac: that's what I mean with "not that easy to figure out a sensible semantics" :)
[12:01] <asac> pitti: naturally i would think that blueprints should be targetted to the milestone when they are supposed to be completely done.
[12:02] <pitti> asac: right; for those we wouldn't even use several "work item (milestone)" things
[12:02] <asac> so if we really had the syntax you suggested (work items (milestone))
[12:02] <asac> pitti: well. what i mean is if we hav a blueprint which is targetted for lets say beta-1, but have parts that should be done by alpha-2
[12:03] <asac> it would just work to keep the blueprint targetted for beta-1
[12:03] <asac> but have work items alpha-2
[12:03] <asac> if a blueprint doesnt have the intermediate steps we would just have Work items:
[12:04] <asac> feels sensible semantic to me ;)
[12:05] <pitti> okay
[12:15] <Keybuk> pitti: I feel that when the first daily image without HAL is done, we should hold a great, big, world-wide party
[12:15] <pitti> Keybuk: the changes are all in the Debian experimental git branch (new x server, udevification, and my udev rules), so I hope we can upgrade to that next week
[12:15] <pitti> yay for celebrations :)
[12:16] <Keybuk> I didn't think our X was based on Debian?
[12:17] <pitti> it should be nowadays
[12:17] <pitti> well, perhaps not the server itself, I don't know
[12:17] <pitti> but I thought we'd regularly merge
[12:18] <Keybuk> no idea
[12:21] <Amaranth> Could gnome-settings-daemon delay calling xrdb until after everything else is loaded?
[12:22] <Amaranth> hrm, compiz is chewing CPU for about 10 seconds there
[12:28] <Amaranth> So I'm thinking of patching compiz so it's not possible to set "edge" bindings
[12:29] <Amaranth> So you can't have a compiz action happen by moving your mouse to the top, bottom, left, or right of your screen
[12:30] <Amaranth> hmm, and if we're going to force our new default settings on upgrades to lucid we can cleanup the patches and packaging that set defaults as well
[12:57] <seb128> re
[12:58] <seb128> Amaranth, did you have a look at splitting compiz binaries?
[13:08] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - gnome-session blocks for 600ms here in gsm_manager_new. i haven't gone any further yet, but that will probably be the preloading of gconf keys
[13:08] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok
[13:09] <seb128> so you were guessing right with gconf yesterday
[13:09] <chrisccoulson> possibly, i need to make it more verbose just to make sure, but i can't see anything else in there that would take that much time
[13:17] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - also, 200ms loading the desktop files in /etc/xdg/autostart
[13:28] <Keybuk> preloading of gconf keys?
[13:28] <Keybuk> preloading implies it's not actually using them?
[13:28] <Keybuk> what happens if you just take that out
[13:33] <chrisccoulson> Keybuk - the preloaded keys are used to build the required components list a little while later
[13:33] <chrisccoulson> s/a little while later/straight after
[13:34] <Keybuk> that seems like a long time
[13:34] <chrisccoulson> i'm just doing another build with it broken down further, so i can see where the time is spent
[13:36] <chrisccoulson> but it doesn't seem that long if gconfd is still loading it's XML files
[13:43] <chrisccoulson> Keybuk, so, the biggest delays at the start of gnome session seem to be ~500ms loading GConf keys, 200ms loading desktop files and ~100ms in gtk_init
[13:45] <Keybuk> so if I gave you half the time to do that in, what would you change? :)
[13:46] <chrisccoulson> replace gconf with dconf ;)
[13:46] <chrisccoulson> but i'm wondering if we can start gconfd before the session starts (ie, from a script in Xsession.d)
[13:46] <chrisccoulson> and whether it would actually make any difference
[15:17] <and471_> mpt: any decisions on the appdetails throbber thing?
[15:17] <mpt> and471_, I need to find out somewhere how to slow down my Internet connection to test it
[15:17] <mpt> I know there's a command line to use to make it slower
[15:18] <mpt> but I don't know what it is
[15:18] <and471_> mpt: did trickle not work?
[15:18] <mpt> ah, trickle, is that what it is
[15:19]  * mpt installs it
[15:19] <and471_> mpt: google 'linux slow down internet connection trickle'
[15:19] <and471_> mpt: and see you later :-)
[15:22] <czajkowski> mpt: aloha there
[15:22] <czajkowski> :)
[15:22] <mpt> kia ora
[16:01] <chrisccoulson> Keybuk - I just tried starting my session with an already running gconfd process, and the preloading time in gnome-session went from ~500ms to ~150ms
[16:01] <chrisccoulson> but i don't know how we'd start it early enough to avoid this delay
[16:01] <Keybuk> Xsession.d ?
[16:02] <chrisccoulson> I think I'm going to try that. i was going to do it earlier but had to disappear somewhere else instead
[16:02] <chrisccoulson> and maybe we could make a cache of the autostart desktop files to shrink the other 200ms too
[16:21] <and471> mpt: any luck?
[16:26] <mpt> and471, I tried it, and I think it's better to show the throbber
[16:26] <mpt> and471, maybe one way of making it look better on a fast connection is to not show the throbber until 2 seconds after the screenshot starts loading
[16:26] <mpt> That way if it loads within 2 seconds, the throbber doesn't get shown at all.
[16:29] <and471> mpt: okay
[16:29] <and471> mpt: currently I am trying to use webkit's animation functionality, I have done it on the department view and I am now going to try the appdetailsview
[16:29] <and471> however after sunday I really cannot do anymore work :-)
[16:30] <mpt> and471, what's happening on Sunday?
[16:30] <and471> mpt: well after that I have exams :-/
[16:30] <mpt> ah
[16:30] <mpt> Best of luck with those
[16:30] <mpt> and thanks for all your contributions :-)
[16:34] <and471> mpt: sure :-)
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> Keybuk - are you running i386 or amd64? mind testing a build of gnome-session with no preload on your reference machine? it seems to speed things up here, but my bootchart results are all over the place at the moment (running in virtualbox)
[16:44] <Keybuk> i386
[16:44] <Keybuk> I don't have test reference machines atm though
[16:44] <Keybuk> they're both doing reinstalls
[16:45] <Keybuk> so if you don't mind waiting a few hours?
[16:45] <chrisccoulson> yeah, thats ok
[16:45] <chrisccoulson> i've hosted the files here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~chrisccoulson/gnome-session-no-gconf-preloading/
[16:46] <chrisccoulson> i'll probably try some more things shortly
[16:47] <chrisccoulson> the changelog is not very verbose though ;)
[16:48] <chrisccoulson> but that build completely disables preloading, and also writes some timestamps in ~/.xsession-errors
[17:37] <mpt> robbiew_, could you please set me as drafter for foundations-lucid-non-applications-in-software-center, foundations-lucid-ratings-and-reviews-in-software-center, foundations-lucid-software-center-subcategories, and foundations-lucid-user-contributed-metadata-for-software-center?
[17:37] <robbiew_> ok
[17:37] <mpt> thanks
[17:40] <robbiew_> mpt: done
[17:41] <mpt> ta
[17:43] <pitti> good night everyone
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> good night pitti
[17:50] <mpt> bratsche, were you in the accessibility-by-default UDS session? If so, do you remember if it was written up anywhere? I don't see a Gobby document
[17:51] <mpt> Hey, it's gilir, maintainer of my favorite PPA
[17:52] <gilir> mpt: hi, why ?
[17:58] <tgpraveen11> mpt: if i read the notification spec correct, the do not distrub mode will be automatically triggered by apps? meaning if i go fullscreen in totem, then automatically i will be in dnd mode?
[17:58] <tgpraveen11> please tell me i read it wrong.
[17:59] <mpt> tgpraveen11, meaning you should be able to configure whether Totem going into full-screen suppresses non-urgent notifications or not.
[17:59] <tgpraveen11> yes that is what i want. is that what is planned?
[18:00] <mpt> yes
[18:00] <tgpraveen11> mpt:^^?
[18:00] <tgpraveen11> oh ok. thats great. will it be global or per app. like i set my status to DND and all apps accept it or in each app i have to set it?
[18:00] <mpt> tgpraveen11, per-app
[18:02] <tgpraveen11> mpt: hmm is there any reason for per app? in the karmic cycle the documentation mentioned doing it global iirc. also can you shed some light on how one would set it per app? i mean like will totem have a menu item for this
[18:03] <mpt> tgpraveen11, a global option would be pretty meaningless -- Hide non-urgent notifications: (*) Never  ( ) Sometimes
[18:04] <mpt> Individual apps can do a better job of presenting the option in an understandable way
[18:05] <mac_v> mpt: hi... are we not supposed to change the icon firefox on the panel ?
[18:05] <mpt> mac_v, change it to what?
[18:05] <mac_v> mpt: monochrome > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot.png
[18:05] <tgpraveen11> hmm i was thinking more like in the user switch applet the status could be available() DND(*)  .
[18:06] <tgpraveen11> this would make more sense as once done it affects all apps. and this was what was there in the doc originally as well
[18:06] <mpt> mac_v, no, that's just for the status icons -- application icons should be left as they are
[18:06] <mpt> mac_v, and anyway, we couldn't legally alter the Firefox icon even if we wanted to
[18:06] <mac_v> ah ok ;)
[18:06] <tgpraveen11> and say i dont want to be disturbed for 1 hour i just set it and do my business what i want
[18:07] <tgpraveen11> but per app each time i watch a movie, open a pdf etc i would have to set it.
[18:07]  * mac_v hates legalities ;p
[18:07] <tgpraveen11> also a global DND helps when i am not using fullscreen apps but just dont want to be disturbed with my work
[18:09] <tgpraveen11> mpt: ^^
[22:42] <czajkowski> aloha
[22:42] <czajkowski> anyone alive for a daft question?
[22:43] <czajkowski> did an update recently and looked at my options under applications and the ubuntu software center is missing ??? any idea
[22:43] <czajkowski> I'm not the only person missing it, JanC is also
[22:44] <czajkowski> I just did apt-get install gnome-app-install and got back the add/remove  options
[22:44] <JanC> seems like I have a .local/share/applications/gnome-app-install.desktop / removing that now...
[22:45] <JanC> so, that makes that disappear
[22:45] <JanC> but still no software center...
[22:45] <czajkowski> hmmm
[22:45] <czajkowski> it's very odd as I know it was there, but no idea when it went or why it went
[22:46] <JanC> idem  ☺
[22:47] <czajkowski> typical friday adn I break things
[22:47] <czajkowski> JanC: is your add/remove populated with stuff??
[22:48] <JanC> add/remove didn't work as gnome-app-install wasn't installed (leftover .desktop file for some reason?)
[22:48] <czajkowski> add/remove for me wasn't there, so did apt-get install and there is it
[22:49] <JanC> yeah, after removing the leftover .desktop file under ~/.local it went away here too
[22:50] <JanC> BTW, installing it removes software-center  ;)
[22:50] <czajkowski> JanC: but mine wasnt there
[22:50] <JanC> the package you mean?
[22:51] <JanC> I just removed & re-installed software center and it's still not in the menu
[22:51] <czajkowski> add/remove wasnt there
[22:53] <JanC> I had a leftover user .desktop file for add/remove for some reason which probably caused the menu to be shown, so removing it removed the menu entry, but software-center didn't come back
[22:55] <czajkowski> so I should it?
[23:06] <JanC> I asked somebody else and he doesn't have this issue  :-/
[23:07] <czajkowski> ah feck
[23:07] <czajkowski> JanC: log a bug and i'll comment
[23:08] <JanC> not sure against what to file the bug yet
[23:09] <czajkowski> thats always my issue :(
[23:17] <JanC> czajkowski: do you have ubuntustudio-menu installed ?
[23:18] <JanC> or something similar ?
[23:18] <JanC> removing that solved it for me...
[23:18] <czajkowski> nope
[23:18] <czajkowski> tis damn flippin' odd
[23:19] <JanC> and now I have a 2 screens high audio/video menu again, *sigh*
[23:19] <czajkowski> hmm sorry I mentioned it now
[23:19] <czajkowski> as now it's annoying me
[23:21] <JanC> do you have any menu-related packages installed ?
[23:21] <czajkowski> wine?
[23:22] <JanC> I have wine installed too, and I get the software center menu now
[23:22] <JanC> edubuntu-menus, extra-xdg-menus ?
[23:23] <czajkowski> I'll do another update
[23:23] <czajkowski> nope, nope
[23:23] <czajkowski> it was there till wednesday and after that i can't be sure, but I've not installed any new things
[23:23] <czajkowski> hmm restart
[23:30] <Amaranth> JanC: The desktop file was a leftover from alacarte due to you editing your menu
[23:30] <czajkowski> JanC: no difference
[23:30] <czajkowski> Amaranth: what is alacarte?
[23:32] <JanC> Amaranth: I doubt I ever consciously edited *that* menu entry (but maybe accidentally?)
[23:33] <JanC> alacarte is the menu editor
[23:33] <JanC> which Amaranth wrote long ago  ;)
[23:34] <czajkowski> yup we;; I've definately not been editing it
[23:34] <czajkowski> ;)
[23:34] <czajkowski> *we'll
[23:36] <JanC> well, the menu item comes & goes when I install/remove ubuntustudio-menus
[23:36] <JanC> that might give some clue  ☺
[23:38] <czajkowski> so we can blame ubuntu studio :)
[23:38] <JanC> right, that one references gnome-app-install.desktop instead of ubuntu-software-center.desktop
[23:38] <JanC> but you said you don't have it?
[23:38] <czajkowski> I've ubuntu studio theme installed not menu
[23:39] <JanC> doesn't look like that pulls anything weird in
[23:45] <JanC> czajkowski: the menu is a combination of '/etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu', '~/.config/menus/applications.menu' plus whatever can be found in '~/.local/share/applications/'
[23:45] <JanC> I think
[23:49] <JanC> okay, this is the ubuntustudio-menu issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-menu/+bug/479156
[23:50] <JanC> czajkowski: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/477127 might be useful too
[23:56] <czajkowski> JanC: cheers
[23:57] <JanC> you might want to comment on the last one and tell them the first one isn't the same issue  ;)
[23:58] <JanC> (but maybe related)
[23:59] <czajkowski> ah ok


[03:46] <internalkernel> akgraner: ping... email me what you need done
[03:47] <akgraner> oh just look at the googledoc
[03:47] <akgraner> do you have the link
[03:47] <akgraner> don't worry about any links that are reviews
[03:47] <akgraner> I need to summarize all of those into one post with all the links
[03:49] <akgraner> Dang I scared him away...wow
[03:49] <akgraner> billf, how'd things go for you all?