[01:32] <arraybolt3> Interesting tidbit from the Debian Policy Manual, https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html:
[01:32] <arraybolt3> "<IP_ADDRESS>.6. note   -   Rather than being a question per se, this datatype indicates a note that can be displayed to the user. It should be used only for important notes that the user really should see, since debconf will go to great pains to make sure the user sees it; halting the install for them to press a key, and even mailing the note to them in some cases."
[01:33] <sarnold> hah
[01:33] <arraybolt3> I found the bit about "mailing the note to them" particularly interesting - didn't know debconf could do that!
[01:33]  * arraybolt3 would be interested in seeing what exact conditions would be necessary to get debconf to actually email something to someone during an automated install
[01:33] <sarnold> I've seen a handful of bug reports with some fairly obvious "you have to do things" dialog boxes that were just canceled rather than read and understood.. I wonder if those messages came via that mechanism
[01:34] <sarnold> probably the DEBCONF_NONINTERACTIVE or however that's spelled
[01:35] <arraybolt3> Actually that was from the Debian Developer's Reference, not the Debian Policy Manual.
[05:30] <guiverc> arraybolt3, I didn't respond in -devel earlier as I can't offer anything of value there... but I'll trust in the Ubuntu Technical Board's decision to act as is best.. (current board is in process of final voting now [would need to check watch; possibly voting has actually closed])
[05:34] <arraybolt3> +1, sorry if I went overkill there. I misunderstood and overreacted.
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> good morning


[05:54] <CyberTex> Ubuntu budgie applets have a .plugin file. Where can I find the documentation for what attributes one can set in that file? I'm trying to set the attribute Icon to a none defualt (symbolic) icon.
[05:54] <CyberTex> Also is it easy to add a custom icon to the symbolic icons list ? ( In Raven)
[05:55] <CyberTex> What I mean by a symbolic icon settings is something similar to this "Icon=view-grid-symbolic". I did "Icon=/absolute/path/myicon.png" and it didn't work (Duh!)
[06:59] <fossfreedom> CyberTex, all applets are part of the libpeas way of adding plugins - same as gedit, rhythmbox
[07:00] <CyberTex> fossfreedom:  Thanks , will check that out.
[07:00] <fossfreedom> the icon names are basically the name of the icon for your current iconset
[07:05] <CyberTex> fossfreedom: Raven reads the *.plugin directly. How can I modify its iconset? For a new (added) applet I designed. How can I perform something similar to ""Icon=/absolute/path/myicon.png"" in myAppletName.plugin?
[07:07] <CyberTex> Sorry, will do my research "https://developer.gnome.org/integration-guide/stable/icons.html.en" 'installing icons' looks related.
[07:08] <fossfreedom> don't think you can use an absolute path.  Suggest drop the icon into /usr/share/icons/hicolor ... somewhere in there probably.  As I said - the name of the icon has to be in your iconset, or the iconsets it inherits (index.theme)
[07:08] <CyberTex> fossfreedom:  Got it. Thanks
[07:09] <fossfreedom> bbl
[07:10] <CyberTex> k


[00:31] <DoYouKnow> ok, I think it's a false alarm about the win7 thing.. win7 dsp only goes up to 48 khz
[02:57] <wip> anyone knows how to load a bank in zynaddsubfx at startup
[04:28] <picksit> Hi, I am looking for a way to enable a "open as administrator" right click dialogue for thunar
[04:30] <picksit> oops, I man nautilus
[04:30] <picksit> mean*
[04:31] <picksit> can anyone help me with that ?
[04:34] <holstein> !sudo
[04:34] <holstein> i dont think you can do exactly what you are looking for there, but you can sudo.. sometimes you'll see "open root terminal here"
[04:35] <holstein> i do think there might be an extention
[04:35] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/195420/how-to-open-directories-as-administrator
[04:39] <fibz_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1861721  says to sudo cp /usr/lib/nautilus/extensions-2.0/libnautilus-gksu.so /usr/lib/nautilus/extensions-3.0/
[04:39] <picksit> I think I found a link to a solution. I am looking for the "open as administrator" in the context menu
[04:40] <picksit> is that your link idea fibz_?
[04:41] <picksit> Thanks I must reboot to see if it works
[04:41] <fibz_> i havent seen that Open as admin checkbox setting in a while and not sure which version had it
[04:53] <picksit> This added the "open as administrator" to the right click dialogue box in nautilus wget http://www.liberiangeek.net/blog/tools/libnautilus-gksu.so
[04:53] <picksit> sudo cp libnautilus-gksu.so /usr/lib/nautilus/extensions-3.0/
[04:53] <picksit> that may have been the same link that fibz_ mentioned
[04:55] <picksit> here's the address of that link liberiangeek.net/2012/04/add-open-as-administrator-to-the-context-menu-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/
[04:56] <fibz_> picksit, http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2013/10/enable-open-as-administrator-ubuntu-13-10-nautilus/
[04:56] <picksit> looks like you have to copy and paste
[04:57] <picksit> I have success fibz_ but I'll checkk your link
[04:57] <fibz_> ah okay
[04:58] <picksit> you ubuntu link adds a script
[04:58] <picksit> your...
[04:58] <picksit> I think Gmaq uses that in his AV linux
[04:59] <picksit> at least in 6.01
[05:00] <picksit> I am going to add wine now...thanks
[20:54] <michael_> I was trying to install the jack libs and accidentally uninstalled all the audio apps in ubuntu studio
[20:55] <DoYouKnow> what could  be the cause of this?
[20:55] <holstein> michael_: you should be able to easily use the package manager of your choice, such as synaptic, and search "ubuntustudio" and install what you like
[20:55] <holstein> DoYouKnow: ^
[20:55] <holstein> DoYouKnow: i read that you uninstalled them...
[20:57] <DoYouKnow> yeah, apt-get did it automatically after I told it to update-alternatives
[20:57] <DoYouKnow> and I barely read it before I pressed enter
[20:58] <holstein> DoYouKnow: its a great idea to read those, and ask
[20:58] <holstein> DoYouKnow: you can easily add back what you need
[20:59] <DoYouKnow> ok thanks


[00:06] <elsevero> anyone here familiar with postfix mailsever ?
[00:22] <Ahti333> i just updated from 12.04 to 14.04 and my apache php-fcgi setup stopped working. apache just spits out the php source code. these are the relevant files: https://gist.github.com/Ahti/f0885f81eb78f08fdd36
[00:22] <Ahti333> has anybody experienced similar issues?
[00:27] <bananapie> is there a way to automatically generate a .config file for a kernel compile that only includes drivers needed by the machine generating the .config file?
[00:33] <tonyyarusso> bananapie: No idea, but you could get which ones are a) included and b) loaded on the building system.  Not the same as only what's needed, but a start.
[00:34] <bananapie> ok.
[00:34] <bananapie> I think I dreamed that I found such a tool a few weeks back.
[00:34] <tonyyarusso> Ahti333: Haven't tried it, but I know several sections of the Apache config changed syntax with 2.4, so that might be it.  I'd suggest reading through the Apache 2.4 release notes on the subject to see if they mention anything you use.
[00:36] <sarnold> bananapie: there's several make targets that may help, make localmodconfig and localyesconfig -- see the README for details
[00:36] <bananapie> I can't believe I have to compile the kernel to get tux at boot :(
[00:37] <bananapie> make localmodconfig is what I am looking for, thanks sarnold :D
[00:37] <sarnold> bananapie: yeah, it'll be way faster than recompiling the full distro kernel .config :) hehe
[00:37] <bananapie> definitely
[00:38] <bananapie> I remember when I first switched to desktop linux. I had to compile gentoo but didn't know I had to load the acpi module before compile.
[00:38] <sarnold> bananapie: if you haven't seen make oldconfig yet, check it out -- it may not help today, but it might help in six weeks :)
[00:38] <bananapie> I burnt out my cpu
[00:39] <sarnold> Ahti333: you have a space before .php on this line, is that intentional? FcgidWrapper /var/www/site/php-fcgi/php-fcgi-starter .php
[00:39] <bananapie> thanks sarnold
[00:39] <sarnold> bananapie: d'oh :/
[00:39] <Ahti333> sarnold yes, that's intentional
[00:40] <sarnold> Ahti333: bugger :)
[00:51] <bananapie> Also, how is radeon.dpm=1 not compiled into the ubuntu kernel? It makes ubuntu difficult for non-technical users.
[01:41] <array29> which better 12.04 or 14.04 for openstack?
[01:42] <evilsteve> well which openstack version are you wanting to work with... havana or ice?
[01:42] <array29> ice
[01:42] <evilsteve> then 14.04
[01:43] <array29> is there any trouble when getting icehose at 14.04?
[01:44] <evilsteve> http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/apt/content/
[01:44] <array29> thankyou steve
[01:45] <evilsteve> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud
[01:45] <evilsteve> yw
[02:59] <Guegs> I'm trying to get a SMB share configured, and I am having one hell of a time. I followed this example to a T, but it still isn't showing up. What on earth could I be missing? https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/samba-fileserver.html
[02:59] <Guegs> ... Well, for one Guegs, that is a 10.04 guide.
[04:47] <airtonix> also you didn't supply a sample of any configuration file you're working with
[04:49] <sarnold> airtonix: he's gone :)
[04:50] <airtonix> damn kids and their drive by
[04:50] <sarnold> haha yeah :)
[04:50] <airtonix> and they wonder why no one replies
[04:50] <sarnold> of course I think he figured it out when he saw the url and noticed that it's for 10.04 rather than 12.04 or 14.04..
[05:55] <Guest67771> Hi my Ubuntu 12.04 LTS was working fine. I had a power oputage the other night, now a major problem is at hand.
[05:56] <Guest67771> I can't access the Internet from the server. I can't ping google from the server. And I can't see ports open on the server. DOes anyone have any time to help troubleshoot this please?
[05:56] <sarnold> hey Guest67771, welcome back
[05:56] <Guest67771> thanks....still unresolved.
[05:56] <sarnold> Guest67771: when you say you can't ping google, are you trying to ping google.com or are you trying to ping some of google's ip addresses?
[05:57] <Guest67771> ping google.com...
[05:57] <sarnold> trying pinging one of their IPs, such as <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:58] <sarnold> when troubleshooting networking problems it really helps to nail down each layer, one at a time. first, make sure you can route packets to the right places.
[05:58] <Guest67771> both those work
[06:00] <Guest67771> both those IP work whether the firewall is on or off
[06:00] <sarnold> okay, pinging off your network works, neat. how about higher-level services? can you do e.g. host www.google.com <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[06:01] <Guest67771> i typed  host www.google.com <IP_ADDRESS> and connection timed out
[06:02] <sarnold> if DNS resolution works, then move to something slightly more advanced, http -- try e.g. HEAD http://<IP_ADDRESS>/  or curl <IP_ADDRESS> to make sure you get some data...
[06:02] <sarnold> oh, interesting. so either udp can't get out or can't get back in.
[06:02] <Guest67771> curl <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:03] <Guest67771> wrong keyboard...sorry
[06:05] <Guest67771> curl...couldn't connect to host
[06:07] <Guest67771> HEAD - 500 connection timed out
[06:07] <sarnold> Guest67771: okay, looks like you get to inspect your firewall on this machine and the firewall on your router to make sure that the rules all look sane, and that your NAT is happening properly
[06:08] <Guest67771> turned the firewall off on my server before - didn't seem to make a difference
[06:08] <sarnold> Guest67771: timeouts like this are quite often caused by firewalls set to DROP packets rather than REJECT packets
not usre that showed me anything....I port forward to <IP_ADDRESS> (my server) for ports 80, 23 and 7777
[06:20] <sarnold> Guest67771: If you notice the problem when your local firewall is off that feels like blaming your router's firewall configuration is most convenient.. :)
[06:20] <Guest67771> when i turned nat off, everything seemed to die
[06:20] <sarnold> Guest67771: does ip addr list   show the ip address you expect? does ip route list  show a routing table that you expect?
[06:21] <sarnold> Guest67771: hehe, yeah, you disconnected too. the NAT operation is closely tied to the firewall..
[06:21] <Guest67771> ifconfig -a on the server shows i<IP_ADDRESS>
[06:22] <Guest67771> the gateway does appear different on my firewall interface, than what i remember. Where is the configuration stored? Is it important?
[06:24] <sarnold> Guest67771: the gateway is where all packets will be sent if they don't have a more specific route available. it's critical to get it right. check /etc/network/interfaces for the configuration
[06:25] <Guest67771> I have sod all in mine...just the dns nameservers <IP_ADDRESS> yhat i added
[06:27] <sarnold> Guest67771: is there anything in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ that would provide the per-interface configuration?
[06:28] <Guest67771> I don't have an interfaces.d file
[06:32] <sarnold> Guest67771: okay -- then you may need to configure your /etc/network/interfaces; you'll want to add an 'auto eth0' line or similar to have the interface brough up at boot, and then a stanza that starts 'iface eth0 inet static' followed by some more configuration. sadly the interfaces(5) manpage jumps right into an over-complicated example, but there's a nice simple example here: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/ma
[06:33] <Guest67771> do I take the info from LAN or WAN on my router. Ex subnet is <IP_ADDRESS> on LAN but <IP_ADDRESS> on WNA
[06:33] <Guest67771> WAN
[06:34] <sarnold> Guest67771: most of the details will need to match the LAN settings from your router
[06:39] <Guest67771> how do I determine the network setting? I have the rest
[06:40] <sarnold> Guest67771: which setting?
[06:40] <Guest67771> network
[06:40] <Guest67771> I have the address, netmask, gateway and broadcast
[06:41] <sarnold> Guest67771: I don't see a 'network' setting in interfaces(5) or resolvconf(8)..
[06:41] <Guest67771> auto eth0
[06:41] <Guest67771> iface eth0 inet static
[06:41] <Guest67771> address <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:41] <Guest67771> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:41] <Guest67771> network <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:41] <Guest67771> broadcast <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:41] <Guest67771> gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:41] <Guest67771> safe
[06:43] <sarnold> Guest67771: okay, a few questions here -- I think you can delete the 'network' line entirely, I don't see any documentation to support keeping it around. second, you've given the address here <IP_ADDRESS>, but earlier you said the server reported address i<IP_ADDRESS>
[06:44] <Guest67771> sorry, that's just a copy and paste from the web...not my settingd
[06:44] <sarnold> Guest67771: the gateway address is not actually routable when you've configured the address in 192.168.1.* and used a netmask of <IP_ADDRESS> -- so either the address of this host is wrong or the address of the router is wrong or the netmask is wrong :) hehe
[06:45] <sarnold> ah, good, that explains why nothing makes sense :)
[06:45] <sarnold> feel free to pass along my advice to whoever wrote that, I wonder if they ever got their networking working :) lol
[06:45] <Guest67771> I restarted network manager
[06:45] <sarnold> you have network manager installed on this machine??? ooof.
[06:45] <Guest67771> still can't ping google.com
[06:46] <Guest67771> isn't it there by default?
[06:46] <sarnold> for desktops and laptops...
[06:46] <sarnold> most admins wouldn't tolerate it on servers :)
[06:47] <Guest67771> mines only a home server - I'd die with just CLI...just a nOOB
[06:48] <Guest67771> back to the routable bit - my ionternal IP for the server is <IP_ADDRESS> and the subnet is <IP_ADDRESS>. Is that OK
[06:49] <sarnold> it is if the router is in the 192.168.1.* network
[06:50] <Guest67771> 254 I'd expect. Good
[06:51] <Guest67771> The MOO and webserver still aren't working on the LAN. localhost works OK from the server
[06:55] <Guest67771> I'm going to restart my router. After I made those changes, I went back to the router interface. The server wasn't showing, and it had the wrong MAC Address. I'll restart and check what happens.
[06:59] <Guest67771> she's a goer
[07:00] <Guest67771> thanks for your patience <Sarnold>
[07:02] <sarnold> Guest67771: rebooting the router fixed it? o_O
[07:07] <Guest67771> Thanks heaps <sarnold> - a very relieved man with my MOO working - we can do some programming at school tomorrow
[07:09] <sarnold> Guest67771: cripes that shouldn't have fixed anything :)
[07:09] <sarnold> Guest67771: but I'm glad it's working again :) hehe
[07:10] <Guest67771> I suspect that something went ary in firewall with the MAC Address and static IP that I setup for my machine
[07:11] <Guest67771> I'll make some notes for next time... I need the MOO working for school
[07:12] <Guest67771> appreciate your help...CIAO
[07:12] <sarnold> have fun :)
[07:29] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:30] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[07:31] <ovidiu-florin> I'm trying to set up a samba share with anonimous access, but no matter how I set it it keeps asking me for a password.
[07:34] <ovidiu-florin> here is my smb.conf: http://paste.kde.org/pa7ycwrte/6qkxcm
[07:35] <ovidiu-florin> please help
[07:37] <sarnold> ovidiu-florin: it's been ten or twelve years since I've really "done" samba, but my recollection is that anonymous, password-free access only worked for win95 and win98.
[07:37] <sarnold> ovidiu-florin: I don't think I ever got any WinNT-derived systems to ever use anonymous or password-free shares. that was ages ago, but it might be worth some searching to see if it is supposed to work with modern microsoft clients or not
[07:38] <ovidiu-florin> sarnold: http://micheljansen.org/blog/entry/182
[07:38] <ovidiu-florin> it is
[07:39] <sarnold> ovidiu-florin: oh good. at least lets hope he's not still using win98 in 2006. :)
[07:39] <ovidiu-florin> they still are, on some places
[07:55] <jonascj> Hi all. Do a user need the +x on all parent dirs to make a given dir his/her working directory? E.g. if I want to "cd /a/b/c/d" do I need +x on a,b,c and d or will it suffice to hvae +x on just d?
[07:56] <jonascj> I am trying to setup openssh server to allow sftpusers to have +rwx on  only /srv/sftp/{username} and sftpadmins to have +rwx on anything inside /srv/sftp.
[07:56] <andol> jonascj: You'll need the +x rights for /a, /a/b/ and /a/b/c/ as well.
[07:56] <jonascj> yeah okay
[07:57] <jonascj> so the reason why my openssh setup fails when I remove sftpuser's execute bit on /srv/sftp is because then the user cannot make /srv/sftp/{username} his/her directory
[07:57] <jonascj> also I might not be able to chroot a user to a directory on which the user do not have the execute bit (i.e. chroot'ing the user to /srv/sftp might not work if the user have no execute bit on that dir)
[07:59] <jonascj> andol: but read permission do not work the same way, right? You only need +r on /a/b/c/d to list files in /a/b/c/d, not +r on /a, /a/b, /a/b/c.
[08:12] <jamespage> Daviey, zul: saucy 2013.2.3 verification went ok in the lab - commented on bug 1302575
[08:37] <andol> jonascj: Yepp
[08:41] <jonascj> ACL on top of my root:root owned /srv/sftp (which is the chroot of the sftpusers) did not work. Only root may have permissions there. So either both sftpadmins and sftpusers can list the directories in /srv/sftp or non of them can.
[09:08] <germanstudent> Can one of you recommend a good server monitoring service? Currently I'm using New Relic, but I'm looking for a more minimalistic and cheaper solution (only OS monitoring, no apps etc.)
[10:07] <DarkStar1> hi everyone. Just a qq. postgres sql 9.2 is the default for which ubuntu version?
[10:07] <DarkStar1> I have a12.04 and I noticed when I installed postgres it was a 9.1
[10:09] <lordievader> !info postgresql
[10:09] <lordievader> !info postgresql saucy
[10:10] <lordievader> !info postgresql precise
[10:10] <lordievader> DarkStar1: As you can see (^) Saucy and Trusty have 9.3
[10:19] <DarkStar1> lordievader: (love the nick) Thanks
[10:19] <lordievader> DarkStar1: No proble :D
[10:20] <lordievader> problem*
[10:23] <mardraum> "9.3+146really9.1+148"
[10:23] <lordievader> Heh, that slipped by me.
[11:28] <Baluse> hello
[11:29] <Baluse> if i make a mistake at sshd_config them I am locked out for ever ?
[11:31] <jpds> Quite.
[11:31] <Baluse> great
[11:31] <jpds> But sshd is special in that it'll keep running even if you restart it.
[11:33] <Baluse> i tried to create a new user
[11:33] <Baluse> and what to limit him
[11:33] <Baluse> chroot
[11:33] <Baluse> however when i connect with that user and enter password i get disconnected
[11:34] <rbasak> chroot is non-trivial to set up, since the user won't be able to access any binaries, such as even the shell, and shared libraries etc. Have you accounted for this?
[11:34] <Baluse> actually I want only sftp access
[11:34] <Baluse> to specified folder
[11:36] <rbasak> Ah. That's different and I think you can probably do that. I don't know how though, sorry.
[11:38] <Baluse> k thanks
[11:44] <zmaroti> hi, could someone help me with missing /dev/dri/card0 problem? (videocard matrox G200eR2), appropriate kernel modules are installed, xserver-xorg-video-mga installed, still i get [  2324.271] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such device in Xorg.0.log
[11:45] <zmaroti> lsmod | grep mga
[11:45] <zmaroti> mga                    40811  0
[11:45] <zmaroti> drm                   302817  1 mga
[11:50] <Baluse> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7365762/
[11:50] <Baluse> ok here is what i get
[11:56] <zmaroti> Baluse, this migth help: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SFTP_chroot
[11:56] <Baluse> i did chown and worked somehow
[12:05] <yossarianuk> can anyone recommend any good stress testing apps for webservers  - preferably one that produces graphs?
[12:05] <yossarianuk> tried to look at jenkins/gatling but that seems insanely complicated ?
[12:08] <pmatulis> morning
[12:09] <lordievader> Hey pmatulis, how are you doing?
[12:39] <smb> smoser, The remaining oddness has been found (bug 1314598). Would you prefer to wait until the current upload gets through or do a combined replacement?
[13:16] <smoser> smb, well, its not even been accepted i think.
[13:16] <smoser> so i'd just ask a admin to NAK it and reupload.
[13:17] <smb> WFM, are you ok with the debdiff in the bug or should I provide a deb source
[13:18] <smb> ?
[13:24] <smb> smoser, Its in 4review on chinstrap fwiw :)
[13:25] <rbasak> jamespage: do you know why python-networkx is subscribed by ~ubuntu-server? I don't see it seeded by anything server related.
[13:25] <jamespage> rbasak, taskflow
[13:25] <jamespage> cinder
[13:25] <rbasak> Oh, OK. No problem then. I'll prioritise bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-networkx/+bug/1285611
[13:26] <smoser> smb. ask an admin (Daviey or stgraber) to NAK the upload.
[13:26] <smoser> and give me a diff versus what is there.
[13:26] <smoser> i'll apply the diff and upload.
[13:33] <smb> smoser, The v2to3.debdiff on chinstrap:~smb/4review, there would be a ready source package of it as well
[13:35] <smoser> smb, awesome. thanks
[13:38] <smb> smoser, last upload was removed from the queue as well
[13:40] <smoser> smb, ok. quick sbuild, then upload.
[13:40] <smb> ack
[13:43] <smoser> uploaded.
[14:00] <championofcyrodi> Hi, When I do a PXE boot of Ubuntu LTSP 12.04.4 Thick Client on Intel NUC, isc-dhcp-server responds and the image is booted.  However, the error "no network interfaces detected!" pops up and the client cannot mount the nbd on the terminal server.  Followed this guide:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AddingModules but still not working.  thoughts?
[14:01] <ogra_> wow, that gouide is massive overkill
[14:02] <ogra_> just add the module you want to /usr/share/initramfs-tools/modules (ro for ltsp to that file inside the chroot indeed)
[14:02] <ogra_> s/ro/or/
[14:18] <championofcyrodi> ogra_: once i modify the file inside the chroot.   Reading about upstart. Question: how I know which service is started before when at boot time?
[15:02] <jodh> caraconan: Have you seen upstart-events(7) / http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#ubuntu-well-known-events-ubuntu-specific ?
[15:03] <caraconan> jodh: thanks, I'll have a look
[15:03] <rbasak> caraconan: or are you asking how to understand how all the services on your system interact? initctl2dot is good for that.
[15:04] <caraconan> rbasak: I was asking if service "a" is started before "b", and if there's a quick way to see it (with "legacy" init system Sxx numbers)
[15:05] <rbasak> caraconan: OK. I'm not sure if there's a better way, but I'd use initctl2dot to visualise that.
[15:05] <rbasak> It gives you a graph of what causes what to start.
[15:05] <caraconan> rbasak: ok thanks
[15:36] <savr> hi
[15:36] <savr> what happened to php5-ffmpeg in 14.04?
[15:38] <cfhowlett> !info ffmpeg savr
[15:38] <cfhowlett> !info ffmpeg
[15:38] <cfhowlett> savr ffmpeg has been deprecated.  use avconv
[15:39] <savr> cfhowlett: some php app I'm using needs ffmpeg
[15:39] <savr> is avconv plug'n'play compatible?
[15:39] <cfhowlett> savr then you have issues.
[15:40] <cfhowlett> savr plug and play with what?  hardware?
[15:40] <ogra_> !info ffmpeg-php
[15:40] <ogra_> funny
[15:40] <savr> with php and whatever needs php5-ffmpeg
[15:41] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ffmpeg-php/0.6.0-2.2fakesync1build1
[15:41] <savr> I think it's a wordpress plugin or something
[15:41] <cfhowlett> savr check with the php folks or channel.
[15:50] <savr> cfhowlett: the php folks say the module hasn't been depreciated
[15:50] <savr> and google isn't bringing up any discussion to why it was removed
[15:54] <cfhowlett> savr ffmpeg ffmpeg version 0.8.10-4:0.8.10-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>, Copyright (c) 2000-2013 the Libav developers
[15:54] <cfhowlett>   built on Feb  6 2014 20:56:59 with gcc 4.6.3
[15:54] <cfhowlett> *** THIS PROGRAM IS DEPRECATED ***
[15:54] <cfhowlett> This program is only provided for compatibility and will be removed in a future release. Please use avconv instead.
[15:54] <cfhowlett> Hyper fast Audio and Video encoder
[15:54] <cfhowlett> usage: ffmpeg [options] [[infile options] -i infile]... {[outfile options] outfile}...
[15:54] <cfhowlett> Use -h to get full help or, even better, run 'man ffmpeg'
[15:54] <mdeslaur> savr: it won't build with the version of libav in trusty and debian so it got removed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ffmpeg-php/+bug/1277603
[15:56] <cfhowlett> mdeslaur uvirtbot thanks for that additional info.  How did you find these?  Is there a bug search utility or something?
[15:56] <mdeslaur> cfhowlett: I just went to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ffmpeg-php and clicked the bugs link at the top
[15:57] <cfhowlett> mdeslaur your google-fu is unbeatable!  Thanks.
[15:57] <savr> thanks
[15:57] <savr> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=trusty&section=all&arch=any&keywords=avconv&searchon=names
[15:58] <savr> cfhowlett: no such package?
[15:59] <savr> if I didn't have to wait 30 seconds for packages.ubuntu.com to load I would have searched desc.
[16:00] <cfhowlett> !info avconv
[16:00] <cfhowlett> !
[16:00] <cfhowlett> savr I'm on precise until point release 1 so different repos.
[16:00] <savr> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=trusty&section=all&arch=any&keywords=libav&searchon=all
[16:01] <savr> sooo a lts release doesn't have ffmpeg or avconv
[16:01] <savr> guess no one needs their videos for the next two years
[16:06] <rbasak> savr: I guess nobody has worked on this for the last two years.
[16:06] <rbasak> (well a year and a half, anyway)
[16:06] <savr> and no one noticed?
[16:06] <rbasak> They noticed and filed a bug!
[16:07] <savr> 2 years ago
[16:07] <rbasak> Yep
[16:07] <savr> no one noticed the package is missing cause no one fixed the bug?
[16:07] <rbasak> Based on https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=694143, AFAICT upstream is not active.
[16:07] <rbasak> So nobody is working on keeping the module up to date, so distributions will stop shipping it.
[16:08] <rbasak> It only works against an ancient version of libav, ergo use an ancient release and you'll be fine.
[16:10] <rberg> ?? avconv is in the libav-tools package
[16:10] <rbasak> rberg: I assume they're talking about ffmpeg-php, which depends on libav.
[16:35] <cfhowlett> savr address this to the php team
[17:10] <championofcyrodi> I've spent two days trying to get this Intel NUC to load the initrd.img from TFTP, and still getting the error claiming no network interfaces found...
[17:11] <championofcyrodi> booting from a usb drive shows the e1000e driver being used, adding that to the modules and updating the initramfs does not help
[17:12] <championofcyrodi> also tried adding the i915 driver manually, to ensure the modules file was being read... i see an error finding the i915.ko file in the amd64 image... so I know the file is being read.
[17:12] <ubasrawr> hello, can anyone help me troubleshooting my isc-dhcp files? this is my pastebin for my interfaces and dhcpd.conf: http://pastebin.com/eS68WSnJ ; but i am unsure what i am doing wrong
[17:27] <DarkStar1> hi all. I’m not sure what’s causing a reject for my ftp access for anonymous users. I have the following config for vsftpd: http://fpaste.org/98211/13988787/
[17:27] <DarkStar1> to allow anonymous users to upload to the ftp directory but everytime I connect I keep getting a CONNRefuses
[20:09] <vertago1_> I am trying to setup cgroups but on 14.04 it seems like the cgconfig.conf file is ignored.
[21:00] <med_> smoser, utlemming: is the Ubuntu cloud-image specifically only dhcp-ing on one interface (even if there are more than one available) in an OpenStack environment (but probably generalized to any cloud-image using UserData).
[21:00]  * med_ is bringing up two interfaces regularly on different nets
[21:01] <smoser> med_, it only dhcp's on eth0.
[21:01] <smoser> config drive could feed it networking information and that should be uspported
[21:01] <med_> smoser, is that an Ubuntu server-ism or a cloud-image-ism?
[21:01] <smoser> for additoinal networking
[21:01] <med_> nod
[21:01] <med_> thanks
[21:02] <smoser> well, its an ubuntu server-ism.
[21:02] <smoser> but realisitcally its the only way you can make a generic image.
[21:02] <smoser> the assumption is you have dhcp on the "management" interface
[21:02] <med_> nod
[21:02] <smoser> (the one that will get you to the MD service)
[21:02] <med_> smoser, thanks
[21:03] <med_> (fyi, we do get injected static routes on both nics to <IP_ADDRESS>)
[21:14] <xperia> hi all. i have upgraded my ubuntu server to the newest version but have a small problem with a php extension. i am getting allways the error message
[21:14] <xperia> PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20121212+lfs/mailparse.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20121212+lfs/mailparse.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0
[21:14] <xperia> Problem is when i do pecl install mailparse it says that this extension is allready installed but when i go to look inside this directory there is no mailparse extension! Can anybody help me with solving this problem?
[21:24] <sarnold> xperia: you can break out strace; strace -f -o /tmp/pecl.out pecl install mailparse (or whatever) then look in /tmp/pecl.out to see what files it accessed to determine that it was already installed
[21:27] <xperia> sarnold: thanks a lot. i just created btw a symlink to the folder php sayed it miss the extension from the folder where the mailparse.so extension was installed and the error message disapeared. wondering why ubuntu did not install the mailparse.so extension in the same folder like all other extensions. will just do the strace tip. thanks
[21:28] <sarnold> xperia: good question, I don't even see a 'mailparse.so' in my trusty apt-file search
[21:36] <xperia> looks like i installed the php5 mailparse extension with phpize from the sources.
[22:02] <esde> "The following packages have been kept back:  ffmpeg x264" i added these packages with ppa, and when i just ran apt-get upgrade, i noticed this error. are there newer versions available in the "stock" repos, and the ppa packages are stale and being held back?
[22:05] <esde> nvm got it
[22:08] <med_> dannf is there a way to turn the logging up way high when doing a dpkg -i?
[22:10] <dannf> med_: not that i know of. unless you're looking at maintainer scripts. those you can edit directly in /var/lib/dpkg/info and e.g. set -x them
[22:14] <med_> thanks. figured out it was a pebcak....  (not my c/k)
[22:18] <DarkStar1> hi all I need help figuring out why the anonymous vsftpd isn’s allowing connections. I have configured it thus : http://fpaste.org/98211/13988787/
[22:19] <sarnold> DarkStar1: check netstat -lntp and make sure the ftpd is listening on the sockets you expect
[22:28] <DarkStar1> sarnold: don’t know why I didn’t think of that first
[22:29] <sarnold> DarkStar1: it's easy to get tunnel vision just looking at logs and configuration files :) sometimes just taking a tiny step back and looking at the whole system can make all the difference..
[22:30] <Patrickdk> and then, if you don't get it
[22:30] <Patrickdk> take a second step back
[22:30] <Patrickdk> and swing that 10lb sledge at it
[22:30] <sarnold> hahaha
[22:30] <DarkStar1> I’ll take the 10lb sledgehammer right now actually
[22:31] <Patrickdk> allowing anonymous uploads in the config also, has nothing to do with file permissions
[22:32] <Patrickdk> is the anonymous user allowed to write to that folder?
[22:32] <DarkStar1> darn thing wont start at the moment
[22:33] <DarkStar1> and there are no error in the logs :/
[22:50] <qhartman> ugh this consistent network device naming thing is killing me in Trusty. How do I find out what the system decided to call my second NIC so I can configure it and start using it?
[22:50] <qhartman> I guessed em2, but that doesn't seem to work
[22:50] <qhartman> neither do any of the old ethx stand-bys
[22:50] <DarkStar1> thx guys
[22:51] <DarkStar1> sledgehammer fix worked
[22:51] <DarkStar1> :)
[22:51] <sarnold> qhartman: does ip link show   give you the name you need?
[22:51] <qhartman> (both nics are embedded, and I remember the installer referring to em2)
[22:51] <sarnold> DarkStar1: haha
[22:51] <sarnold> qhartman: if you just want to go back I believe you can uninstall the biosdevname package
[22:52] <qhartman> sarnold, aha, yes, it's apparently "rename3". That's hilarious.
[22:52] <sarnold> qhartman: o_O
[22:52] <qhartman> derp derp derp
[22:52] <sarnold> qhartman: derp indeed
[22:52] <qhartman> lol, yup, that's what it's called
[22:52] <sarnold> qhartman: it might be nice to file a bug report to point out the derpiness :)
[22:53] <qhartman> after adding the config "ifup rename3" works as expected.
[22:53] <qhartman> Yeah, this behavior is really obnoxious as a default
[22:53] <qhartman> even sans derp, it's breaking all of my automation everywhere
[22:56] <qhartman> some machines have em1, some have p1p1. It's making for great fun.
[22:57] <qhartman> already reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/biosdevname/+bug/1295873
[23:02] <sarnold> I can appreciate the desire to have some kind of consistency here, especially on the machines that have four or eight NICs
[23:02] <sarnold> but it feels like a change that might have been better made for saucy to sort out these goofy rename3 things..
[23:03] <qhartman> yeah, I get the goal, I just think their definition of "consistency" didn't really align with a number of people.
[23:03] <qhartman> At least myself, and everyone else I've talked to
[23:04] <qhartman> and yeah, setting this as a default on an LTS release and not making a ton of noise about it was definitely an oversight.
[23:05] <qhartman> even if it wee bug-free, a change like this is super disruptive, especially for people like me who only pay attention to LTS releases on their servers
[23:06] <Patrickdk> it doesn't affect upgrades though :)
[23:06] <Patrickdk> atleast not yet
[23:06] <qhartman> well, that's something
[23:07] <Patrickdk> I had the same rename3 issue
[23:07] <Patrickdk> but then, I considered the whole thing an issue
[23:07] <qhartman> yeah, so do I honestly. Again, I sympathize with the desired outcome, but this is a kinda crappy way to get there.
[23:08] <Patrickdk> apt-get remove devbiosname
[23:08] <Patrickdk> update-initram -u
[23:11] <qhartman> actually biosdevname (for the future people trolling the logs)
[23:19] <qhartman> and yeah, removing that works, thanks for the pointer Patrickdk and sarnold.
[23:20] <qhartman> It caught me doubly by surprise since none of the VMs or MAAS-installed Trusty machines I've worked with are using this new scheme, so I thought I had all the kin discovered.
[23:21] <qhartman> *kinks
[23:21] <sarnold> qhartman: heh, what an unwelcome new surprise :)
[23:22] <Patrickdk> s/unwelcome/interesting/
[23:23] <qhartman> no wait, you're both right!
[23:28] <sarnold> hehehe
[23:28] <Patrickdk> I would rather be wrong, than right with sarnold


[00:24] <cnd> JFo: ping?
[01:47] <JFo> pong cnd
[01:47] <JFo> sorry, was out of the house a bit
[01:48] <cnd> JFo: in an effort to save uds time, I was wondering if we could consolidate the maverick better bug handling session and my session on better tracing integration with bug reports
[01:48] <JFo> fine with me
[01:48] <cnd> np, on the delay too, it's way past working hours :)
[01:48] <cnd> ok, I'll let ogasawara know
[01:49] <cnd> thanks!
[01:49] <cnd> ogasawara: I guess here's your notification? :)
[01:49] <JFo> heh
[01:50] <JFo> my pleasure cnd
[01:50] <cnd> JFo: thanks!
[01:50] <JFo> :)
[05:45] <ogasawara> cnd: ack, will remove the blueprint from the schedule
[05:49] <cooloney> ogasawara: are you still there?
[05:50] <cooloney> ogasawara: just a quick question about our new maverick kernel tree
[05:50] <ogasawara> cooloney: yep still here, what's the question?
[05:50] <cooloney> ogasawara: there are no topic branch in M tree
[05:50] <ogasawara> cooloney: nope
[05:50] <cooloney> ogasawara: why?
[05:50] <ogasawara> cooloney: not yet
[05:50] <cooloney> ogasawara: ok
[05:50] <cooloney> got it.
[05:51] <cooloney> ogasawara: i just saw you applied my patch for fec driver.
[05:51] <cooloney> in master branch
[05:51] <ogasawara> cooloney: we need to sort out the topic branches next week at UDS
[05:51] <cooloney> ogasawara: right, i saw that wiki page
[05:52] <cooloney> ogasawara: thanks,
[07:38] <baptistemm> heya
[08:23] <psurbhi> good morning
[08:24] <abogani> psurbhi: also to you
[08:44]  * apw yawns ... hrm no government here today
[08:44]  * smb waves
[08:44] <smb> apw, Lucky you. :-P
[08:44] <apw> hi smb ...
[08:46] <psurbhi> apw, a tight election.. the conservatives could still win...
[08:46] <psurbhi> ?
[08:46]  * smb waits for Thunderbird stop stealing all of his cpu and finally displaying any kind of image
[08:46] <apw> it may just about be mathematically possible
[08:47] <psurbhi> heh
[08:47] <smb> psurbhi, While I cannot look, have you seen and replied to the mail about the cve stuff
[08:47] <psurbhi> smb, no.... let me have a look
[08:48] <psurbhi> smb, i just saw the intrepid email :(
[08:48]  * apw struggles to remember what intrepid means
[08:48] <psurbhi> also, can you see the unmount-sync email i sent yesterday? thunderbird has not fetched it yet in my inbox
[08:49] <apw> psurbhi, the double patches ?
[08:49] <smb> apw, That we drop it
[08:49] <smb> apw, after unfortunately doing some work on it
[08:50] <smb> psurbhi, At the moment I cannot see any mail
[08:50] <apw> smb, you missed my joke there ... i was implying the whole of intrepid was erased from my mind
[08:50] <psurbhi> smb, were you asking about the email referring to hardy..
[08:50] <psurbhi> apw, yes, the double patches.. though i can see them on the internet
[08:50] <smb> apw, Yeah, I actually missed the whole line. Too early in the morning (not)
[08:51] <psurbhi> http://old.nabble.com/-PATCH-0-2--fix-for-slow-unmount-on-ext4---bug-543617-on-lp-td28471853.html
[08:51] <psurbhi> smb, i have replied to the email about hardy reviews
[08:51] <psurbhi> is that what you are referring to? or have i missed an email?
[08:52] <smb> psurbhi, No thats what I meant. I might see it in half an hour... :(
[08:52] <psurbhi> smb, that i replied back on monday itself
[08:52] <psurbhi> :(
[08:53] <smb> psurbhi, No I mean the mail I sent out yesterday
[08:53] <smb> psurbhi, The one asking for looking at Leanns comment about the goto
[08:54] <smb> So maybe you actually did miss some of them
[08:54] <psurbhi> smb, its not reached me..
[09:01] <smb> psurbhi, Gosh, I think Thunderbird just slowly dies, so maybe it better discussed here
[09:03] <smb> psurbhi, There was just one thing about the rh patch. It contains a goto to a target, that does not exist in Dapper. If you can see how the code looks in the package or whether you find patches that would add the goto, please let me know whether its somewhere to the end. Then we could just replace the goto with a return 1
[09:04] <psurbhi> smb, let me look, thanks :)
[09:42] <apw> psurbhi, its now officially a hung parliament ... noone can win now
[09:42] <apw> cking, .... hung we is
[09:43] <psurbhi> apw, cool.. coalition woes :)
[09:43] <RAOF> Once again, Tasmania leads the Western world :)
[09:44]  * psurbhi tylersburg is dead :(
[09:45] <apw> psurbhi, you tend to kill that box a lot
[09:45] <psurbhi> sigh
[09:45] <cking> apw, fun and games now in UK politics.
[09:46] <apw> something like that, though my phrase had bullshit in it :)
[09:46] <cking> yeah, I expect Gordon will try to hang on as long as he can
[09:47]  * cking got 4 hours sleep - was glued to radio 4 last night/this morning
[09:47] <RAOF> At least both your major parties *want* to win.  Our governor general basically had to say “look, you were the premier before, and the opposition hasn't got a majority.  Go and sort it out in parliament, damnit”
[09:48] <cking> psurbhi, dead in what kinda way?
[09:49] <psurbhi> cking, it has crashed... it was throwing scsi errors
[09:49] <psurbhi> and now the filesystem is toasted... and i need to reinstall (before which i will replace the cpu to the older one) so saturday will be spent in trying to repair it
[09:49] <smb> cking, Its always surprising how much support someone who messed it all up still got. Reminds me a bit of Kohl, where some younger people already believed that chancellor is a lifetime position.
[09:49] <apw> cking, you are sad, i watched channel 4 piss take show, with real results last night till about 1 then gave up
[09:50] <cking> apw, I just wanted to see if my local MP got booted out or not
[09:50] <apw> cking, and ?
[09:50] <smb> psurbhi, Did you do fs tests or tried a new upgrade to it?
[09:51] <psurbhi> smb, yes i did
[09:51] <cking> apw, well, we had a swing to the right - a 37 seat majority last time was smashed
[09:51] <smb> psurbhi, Thats a bad answer to an or question
[09:51] <psurbhi> smb, both
[09:51] <psurbhi> :)
[09:51] <smb> psurbhi, Ah :)
[09:51]  * apw blames psurbhi for breaking it
[09:51]  * psurbhi blames the scsi hardware.. curses it
[09:52]  * psurbhi the old laptops dying too with the cpu glowing with heat..!! hopefully it will last through the uds
[09:53] <smb> cking, I think psurbhi will make a good new hw test engineer. If it survives its good. ;-P
[09:54] <cking> smb, I was just thinking the same thing!
[09:54]  * cking needs to remember to bring the stickers
[09:54] <psurbhi> cking, what stickers?
[09:54] <smb> cking, You definitely have to
[09:54] <akgraner> cking, I was just about to asak you if you were bringing them
[09:55] <psurbhi> cking, everytime i am asked at the airport security - who is that guy ? :P
[09:55] <apw> British National Party
[09:55] <apw> 0
[09:55] <psurbhi> pointing to your sticker
[09:55] <apw> a good line in the table me thinks
[09:56] <cking> apw, pity it could not be negative ;-)
[09:56] <apw> under PR they would get 7 seats
[09:56] <cking> psurbhi, my ugly mug will be on the international banning list soon
[09:56] <psurbhi> heh
[09:57] <smb> cking, But not for the stickers but for the side-effects on travel you have
[09:57] <apw> cking, sorry _12_
[09:57] <apw> cking, and UKIP 20
[09:58] <apw> libs about 149
[10:00] <cking> what about the monster raving looney party?
[10:00]  * smb cries 291 of 362. At the rate my mail is currently fetched I consider driving over to the DC to fetch it personally
[10:02]  * cking wonders if it's technically a "well hung" parliament..
[10:02]  * psurbhi would accompany smb to fetch the mails for her too
[10:02] <smb> cking, is that the same hung as in hanging them?
[10:04] <smb> psurbhi, Are you using the "upgraded to Lucid" Thunderbird, too?
[10:07] <cking> smb, only when they are highly objectionable
[10:15] <smb> (finally it finished)
[10:16] <cking> it's sloooow today for some reason
[10:23] <psurbhi> smb, yes i am
[10:23] <psurbhi> are you too?
[10:24] <smb> psurbhi, Yes upgraded yesterday. It seemed quicker then (still it decided that it wants to download all of the imap mail now). But today its slow as snails
[10:25] <psurbhi> smb, same here..
[10:25] <psurbhi> (except for the yesterday part).. i think i will do a fresh install on my laptop.. have been upgrading since intrepid..
[10:25] <smb> Maybe we can blame apw for syncing all of his stuff today
[10:26] <smb> psurbhi, I upgraded from a Karmic install.
[10:26] <psurbhi> :) yes... m sure we can blame apw
[10:41]  * cking wonders if a non-serialized _WAK method is causing a hang because of a global lock being required on a EC memory space read on a racy bit of AML..
[10:47] <smb> cking, You seem to have too much fun with the aml emulator...
[10:49] <psurbhi> smb, i have updated the patch from rh
[10:49] <psurbhi> with the whole thing :)
[10:50] <smb> psurbhi, Cool thanks, I'll pull that then. :)
[10:50] <smb> (after getting cooloney 's patch into Lucid before he confuses me even more)
[10:51] <cking> smb, actually, I'm stepping through the AML against the acpi driver - it's quite tedious
[10:55] <smb> cking, I can believe that. Especially with that kind of problem. So forcing acpi to serialize every call makes the issue go away?
[10:56] <cooloney> smb: thanks, man
[10:56]  * cooloney needs reboot his server now, just upgraded it from karmic to lucid
[10:57] <smb> cooloney, Sorry for being late. Just 5 versions and many mails later I was not sure this is the final one. :)
[11:01] <apw> smb, cheek, thats all on my local lan
[11:01]  * psurbhi takes a break.. rest time for a while..
[11:02] <smb> apw, bah, I thought you were re-syncing IMAP with the server as well.
[11:02] <apw> nope, my email is working just fine to the imap server
[11:03] <smb> apw, Ok, ok. Then I cannot blame you for _that_. ;-P
[11:11]  * cooloney fails to boot his lucid on his server now
[11:11] <cooloney> so bad
[11:12]  * smb leaves for lunch
[11:35] <apw> cooloney, now what you broken
[11:38] <cooloney> apw: i s/karmic/lucid/g in my source.list
[11:39] <cooloney> then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:39] <cooloney> after that, reboot
[11:39] <cooloney> but there is no 10.04 kernel options in grub menu
[11:39] <cooloney> so it still boots from 9.10 2.6.31 kernel
[11:40] <cooloney> it stops at some check battery or something is running background
[11:40] <cooloney> so weird
[11:41] <tumbleweed> I've upgraded a server from hardy -> lucid and it's now suffering a massive kernel memory leak
[11:41] <tumbleweed> any hints on debugging that?
[11:41] <tumbleweed> (around 10MiB / second)
[11:42]  * cooloney thumbs up to tumbleweed
[11:42] <cooloney> tumbleweed: you are a brave man
[11:42] <tumbleweed> cooloney: :P
[11:42] <tumbleweed> i'm getting bored of rebooting
[11:42] <tumbleweed> it just lasted a record of 15 mins
[11:46] <soren> tumbleweed: You're sure it's the kernel that's leaking? Which kernel version?
[11:47] <apw> cooloney, hrm, normally one does an update-manager -d to do that
[11:48] <apw> tumbleweed, how are you determining that the kernel is leaking memory at that rate
[11:48] <apw> and when it dies (as i assume it does) what is the symptoms
[11:49] <tumbleweed> hi, sorry, tied up on the phone
[11:50] <tumbleweed> it's the latest lucid version, I'll grab the number as soon as it comes up again
[11:50] <tumbleweed> apw: number of processes is pretty static, and htop shows no process using more than 1% of RAM
[11:50] <tumbleweed> but memory climbs alarmingly fast
[11:51] <tumbleweed> first time it happened, it went OOM (without using much swap). We've been trying to catch it before it gets OOM since then
[11:51] <cooloney> apw: ok, got it. i never try update-manager before. heh
[11:51] <apw> memory measured how
[11:51] <tumbleweed> situation: this is a mirror. We've had RAID array problems in the last week, so moved to using a remote array, first via nfs, then cifs. During the downtime caused by the array failure we upgraded to lucid
[11:52] <tumbleweed> apw: measured by the green bars in htop :) What would you like me to look at?
[11:53] <apw> well the kernel keeps memory mostly full so it 'filling up' means little
[11:53] <tumbleweed> apw: yeah, but that's normally cache / buffers, this is used memory
[11:53] <apw> and where are you seeing it going
[11:53] <tumbleweed> nowhere :(
[11:54] <apw> see if its accounted in the bar is being reported somewhere
[11:54] <tumbleweed> yeah, but I mean not into any processes
[11:54] <apw> /proc/meminfo and /proc/slabinfo may give you some clues as to where it is
[11:55] <tumbleweed> when I looked earlier, slabinfo was dominated by conntrack entries. I assmume I should takea  few samples and diff?
[11:56] <apw> yeah watch whats increasing
[11:56] <apw> knowing what they were like on hardy may help too
[11:56] <tumbleweed> the big gains all seem to be in kmalloc-*
[11:58] <apw> and how much % of your ram is in there
[11:58] <tumbleweed> and the leak is noticably triggered by increases in traffic
[11:59] <tumbleweed> what units is slabinfo in? I 'm assuming column 2 is the important one
[11:59] <apw> sounds bad
[11:59] <apw> the first two cols are in objects, active and space for
[12:00] <tumbleweed> so I should multiply objects by 192 for a kmalloc-192 ?
[12:01] <apw> yep, though other entries give you real sizes
[12:01] <apw> the first line does tell you the meanings
[12:02] <tumbleweed> http://pastebin.com/CEEWGtxB
[12:04] <apw>  tumbleweed none of that looks particularly scarey if the mahcine is doing something
[12:05] <apw> but i would start with a 10s capture of both of those and plot them out see whats trending up
[12:05] <tumbleweed> sounds fair enough
[12:05] <tumbleweed> let me see if I can get something out of the next cycle
[12:06] <apw> lets hope its not something generic like the kmalloc slabs, as so little info is gained
[12:06]  * tumbleweed has to take a lunch break :)
[12:06] <apw> enjoy
[12:06]  * tumbleweed takes a laptop with
[12:09] <tumbleweed> what's interesting is that if I drop the apaches, ftpd, etc. memory usage slowly sinks down again
[13:04] <smb> Ok, its 255miles to Brussels, the gas tank is full, I know where my sunglasses are and I got 20l beer in my trunk.
[13:04]  * smb feels ready for UDS now
[13:04] <bjf> smb, when are you leaving?
[13:05] <smb> bjf, Sunday, but I like being prepared. :)
[13:05] <bjf> smb, how much beer can you get into your car :-), maybe when you get here we will need to make a "little trip"
[13:06] <smb> bjf, I can convert the backseats into trunk space. Guess it should be sufficient
[13:06] <smb> bjf, We always can make a second trip. ;-P
[13:06] <bjf> smb, just what I was thinking :-)
[13:10] <cking> smb, that line from the blues brothers by any chance?
[13:11] <smb> cking, naaah. Not by _any_ chance
[13:11] <smb> cking, I am not sure they had beer
[13:11] <cking> “It's 106 miles to Chicago. We got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses!....................HIT IT!!!”
[13:12] <cking-afk> food
[13:42] <smb> psurbhi, Was the whole: target in the same patch or another one? i am asking because returning something else than 0 or 1 does not seem to make much sense with the rest of the current code.
[13:42] <psurbhi> smb, it was a part of another patch
[13:42] <psurbhi> i have updated the notes as well
[13:43] <smb> psurbhi, Eh, was too lazy to read the notes. Probably should. Anyway, I think if we only want to have maydump return "yes" it might be simpler to say return 1 instead of the goto
[13:44] <psurbhi> smb, yes
[13:44] <psurbhi> The "whole:" in the maydump comes from the  linux-2.6.9-COREDUMP-add-MMF_DUMP_ELF_HEADERS-flag-support.patch from  the same src.rpm.
[13:44] <psurbhi> This patch also renames maydump() to vma_dump_size()  to which the original patch actually applies
[13:47] <smb> psurbhi, In that case I think we should go without the goto whole. The usage of maydump is rather boolean
[13:47] <psurbhi> smb, i did think of that too.. but then later went with the patch as is..
[13:48] <smb> psurbhi, What made you re-think?
[13:48] <psurbhi> return 1 would be appropriate
[13:48] <psurbhi> smb, our policy of sticking to a patch.. ?
[13:48] <psurbhi> or no?
[13:50] <smb> Well as much it is possible. But for something that old and having dependencies on another patch we don't need necessarily it is better to adapt
[13:50] <psurbhi> ok
[14:06] <apw> smb, i like the sound of your 'payload' ... i shall have to come explore it :)
[14:06] <psurbhi> smb, i have uploaded the new patch for dapper
[14:07] <smb> apw, Hah, you had your chance. Now you have to wait until you get there. :-P If it has any left until then. >:-)
[14:07] <apw> *slap*
[14:08] <smb> psurbhi, Ok, looks good to me now. Thanks
[14:08] <smb> apw, hehe
[14:08] <smb> apw, Lucky for you some people will drink less ;-)
[14:09]  * cking notes that debugging AML on 4 hours sleep is kinda hard
[14:10] <apw> cking, i am not in the mood at all today
[14:10]  * smb notes that cking should not debug while sleeping
[14:10] <cking> smb, sometimes I debug code in my sleep and see the answer when I awake
[14:10]  * smb get jealous
[14:10] <apw> cking, mostly happens to me in the shower
[14:10] <cking> mind you, it's invariably the *wrong* answer... ;-)
[14:11]  * smb tries to evade that picture
[14:11] <cking> is that "clean room" programming apw?
[14:11] <apw> cking, something like that ... very droll
[14:12] <smb> Nooo, now I wonder what agile programming is...
[14:26] <apw> smb, where did you get your skype from ?  direct from skype or a PPA ?
[14:26] <JFo> ogasawara, smb or apw, any of you care to weigh in on Custom DSDT in bug 246222
[14:26] <ubot3> Malone bug 246222 in linux "Linux 2.6.26 not loading custom DSDT from initrd" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246222
[14:26] <smb> apw, direct
[14:27] <apw> i have a clean install here and i am fighting to get the right deps installed
[14:27] <smb> JFo, Not supported for lucid. apw ?
[14:27] <JFo> right, I told them it was due to their ability to hose a system
[14:27] <JFo> but I was wondering of one of you would mind expanding on that
[14:28] <apw> JFo, we've not supported it since intrepid
[14:28] <smb> apw, Hm, I think I had the one they claim is for Intrepid or Jaunty...
[14:28] <JFo> this one was assigned to Ben Collins so I wasn't processing it
[14:28] <smb> apw, To install I let it fail. Then run apt-get install -f
[14:28] <JFo> I've dropped the assignment
[14:31] <apw> JFo, done
[14:31] <JFo> thank you kind sir, you are a gentleman :)
[14:39] <apw> JFo, i was terse and repetative
[14:39] <JFo> worksforme ;)
[14:40] <smb> apw, as long as its not terse and abusive
[14:40] <tumbleweed> determined that my memory leaks are triggered by vsftpd
[14:40] <tumbleweed> writing up a script to do some graphing now
[14:41] <apw> tumbleweed, they are 'fixed' by killing it ?
[14:41] <tumbleweed> apw: if I run apt-mirror against my mirror using http, no problem
[14:41] <tumbleweed> use ftp, leaks badly and slowly clears up over the next 10 mins after I stop
[14:42] <tumbleweed> (which means it isn't actually a leak)
[14:42] <apw> right ... not a kernel leak at least
[14:42] <tumbleweed> apw: but the kernel is where the memory is going
[14:42] <apw> maybe a buildup of contrack entries perhaps, you can see those though and cnofirm
[14:42]  * tumbleweed tried without conntrack quite early on (I thought)
[14:43] <apw> there are a lot of things a process can do, open files etc which take up space in the kernel
[14:43] <tumbleweed> apw: yeah
[14:59] <tumbleweed> apw: removed all conntrack + nat modules. still happens
[15:01] <apw> hrm, so one needs to find out what that application is doing, be interesting to see fi it is leaking open sockets or something
[15:02] <tumbleweed> ~2k open tcp sockets according to netstat
[15:03]  * JFo reads cking's verbal beatdowns in e-mail :)
[15:04]  * JFo gets a clearer impression of BIOS code
[15:16] <bjf> hah, raving lunatic party!
[15:17]  * smb wants the same drink as bjf
[15:19] <bjf> smb, there is a 'raving lunatic party' in the UK elections
[15:19]  * bjf didn't know apw was running for MP
[15:20] <apw> monster raving looney party please
[15:20] <apw> run by screaming lord such
[15:20] <cking> JFo, feel my pain
[15:21] <cking> I like the "lets have a party" party
[15:22] <JFo> heh
[15:25] <cnd> apw: I got hedley built yesterday evening finally
[15:25] <cnd> thanks for the help
[15:25] <cnd> it was a combination of failures, and I had to debug kernel-wedge to figure it out
[15:26] <apw> cnd, sounds good ... what was the outcome?
[15:27] <manjo> apw, I shot him before he could finish building
[15:27] <cnd> apw: see the last four commits: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=cndougla/hedley.git;a=summary
[15:28] <cnd> manjo: that's about the time it all started working :)
[15:28] <cnd> apw, do you think we'd want the "UBUNTU: don't force module dependency checking" change in the ubuntu kernels?
[15:29] <apw> cnd, i suspect there is no reason not to have it
[15:30] <cnd> ok, I'll send it to k-t for review
[15:30] <manjo> reports of more ash cloud
[15:31] <apw> cnd, ok so yeah it essentially as we expected, just needing 'di' disabled for mimas, other than the additional patch you just mentioned to sort out the no modules mode
[15:34] <cnd> apw, well, we still need d-i
[15:34] <cnd> I think
[15:34] <apw> overly simplistic language from me
[15:34] <cnd> I disabled all the d-i packages EXCEPT the kernel-image udeb
[15:34] <cnd> ok
[15:34] <apw> disable allt he missing d-i packages
[15:34] <cnd> yeah
[15:34] <apw> you really need to leave a little latitude in understanding the rest of us :)
[15:35] <cnd> I'll try :)
[15:35] <cnd> I tend to be a very explicit person when it comes to tech and work
[15:35] <cnd> to a fault
[15:40] <apw> cnd, indeed, can be good but sometimes it makes it hard to summarise without tripping your 'thats not right' filter ... i am almost as bad mind
[15:40] <cnd> part of it is a comfort level too
[15:41] <cnd> as I get more comfortable with each of us on the team, I can read between the lines of each person a little better
[15:48] <cnd> ogasawara: do you prefer if I prepend [MAVERICK] to patches for it?
[15:49] <cnd> during lucid development, I never prepended unless it was for a previous release
[16:09] <bigcx2> hey all
[16:09] <bigcx2> got a question about how usb flash drives are handled in the kernel
[16:09] <bigcx2> are they seen as sata or scsi?
[16:11] <abogani> bigcx2: AFAIK both sata and usb storage devices are handled by libata which in turn use scsi subsystem
[16:13] <smb> Yes, afaik there might be different low level protocols involved (scsi, ata, or worse) but from the userspace point of view they are sd disks
[16:14] <bigcx2> abogani: ok, so does that mean if i just want to support usb flash drives in my system then it should be safe to disable sata support and leave scsi support in?
[16:16] <abogani> bigcx2: IMHO Yes it should be safe
[16:16] <bigcx2> i'm trying to develop a custom cut-down kernel config for a sbc where we're not using any sata disks but we might be using usb flash drives
[16:16] <bigcx2> abogani: ok it's your fault if i lose
[16:16] <bigcx2> :)
[16:16] <bigcx2> thanks
[16:16]  * abogani can't understand why someone would want disable sata support these days...
[16:17] <bigcx2> like i said it's for a custom sbc
[16:17] <abogani> ahhh
[16:17] <bigcx2> where we're either using a compact flash or usb drive as a hard disk
[16:17]  * abogani never use Ubuntu for his sbc systems...
[16:18] <bigcx2> i have ubuntu running on it now, i'd just like to make it super speedy for real time usage
[16:19] <bigcx2> it's amazing how much stuff is in there by default that most people will never need
[16:19] <bigcx2> like ham radio support!
[16:19] <JFo> whoa there ;)
[16:22] <bigcx2> JFo: whoa what
[16:22] <bigcx2> ham radio or real time
[16:22] <abogani> ham radio I suppose.
[16:22] <JFo> ham radio :)
[16:22] <bigcx2> heh
[16:23] <abogani> real time don't let no one say "whoa" here.
[16:23] <JFo> was just picking on you bigcx2
[16:23] <apw> ogasawara, seems that we haven't put maverick as a series goal for our blueprints, so they don't appear in the work-items breakdowns
[16:23] <bjf> bigcx2, having those in doesn't slow it down, it just makes it available for those that have the devices or want the option
[16:24] <achiang> speed and bloat are indeed unrelated. ;)
[16:24] <bigcx2> haha right, but of course it does cut down my kernel build time down to less than 20 minutes on my laptop!
[16:24] <bigcx2> vs. an hour and a half
[16:24] <ogasawara> apw: oops, will get them cleaned up
[16:25] <bjf> bigcx2, now that I can agree with you on
[16:25] <abogani> I'm not
[16:25] <abogani> Where disk are slow (like usb and flash disk) time necessary to copy kernel (and initrd) is a real issue
[16:25] <abogani> *copy into ram
[16:26] <abogani> from a boot speed POV obviosuly
[16:26]  * JFo goes to lunch
[16:26] <bigcx2> abogani: sure, but for my application we can't have any moving mechanical parts on this board
[16:27] <bjf> abogani, true, but if you are only booting once every 6 months, is that small boot time worth the effort (sometimes it is and sometimes it is not)
[16:27] <bigcx2> yea boot time isn't a major concern
[16:27] <bigcx2> these things stay on for a realllyyy lonnnng time
[16:30] <bigcx2> just curious, do you guys work for canonical
[16:30] <bigcx2> ?
[16:31] <apw> some of us do yes, not everyone
[16:31]  * abogani no
[16:32]  * apw is on the canonical kernel team
[16:32]  * bjf is on the canonical kernel team
[16:32] <abogani> bigcx2: Feel free to offer me a job if you can :)
[16:33] <sconklin> apw: I have an inbound bug report that may be related to the patches YingYing emailed to the list, are you putting any work into this yet? If not I'll build a test kernel with those patches.
[16:33]  * sconklin is on the canonical team
[16:33] <apw> sconklin, nope not touched them ... if you have a test case do feel free
[16:33] <bigcx2> apw, bjf, sconklin, do you guys get to work from your house most of the time?
[16:33] <apw> yep we mostly are home based
[16:33] <sconklin> bigcx2: yes, with travel about one week in 6 or so
[16:34] <bjf> bigcx2, yes most of the time, i'm working from a hotel in belgium right now waiting for uds-m to start on monday
[16:35]  * ogra happily tortures the kernel team from the comfortable backseat of another canonical dept. :)
[16:35] <bigcx2> haha
[16:35] <bigcx2> cool, i always thought it would be cool to work for/with canonical
[16:36] <bigcx2> i've been using ubuntu since warty
[16:36] <smb> sconklin, Wassn't those Lucid ones? I might have gotten there but I am winding my way backwards.
[16:36] <bigcx2> abogani: what do you do now?
[16:36] <sconklin> smb: yes, sorry, I'm living a week in the past
[16:36]  * smb is on the Canonical team too, but wasn't listening
[16:37] <smb> sconklin, Well those came in just today, didn't they?
[16:37] <abogani> bigcx2: Unfortunately unemployed :-(
[16:38] <sconklin> those patches, yes. Also I just got a bug report on identica and there should be a bug filed soon. It's the same symptom - happens when going to screen saver
[16:39] <sconklin> smb: so I thought it might make a good test case since it's repeatable
[16:39] <sconklin> smb https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/577070
[16:39] <ubot3> Malone bug 577070 in linux "Blanking screensaver doesn't activate until mouse is moved" [Undecided,New]
[16:40] <smb> sconklin, Sounds good if we can reproduce them. Then at least someone can test that when it goes into proposed
[16:40] <smb> sconklin, Though it will take a bit until then
[16:41] <sconklin> smb: exactly. Since that will be a while, I'll try to build a test today with those two patches
[16:41] <bjf> wales (not sure which party) just set the price of a vote, 300,000,000 pounds per year for their three votes
[16:42] <bjf> apw, did my lbm changes make it out or is it still too early after release?
[16:43] <smb> bjf, let me check
[16:43]  * cking too is on Canonical team, but was focused on debugging some code and missed the discussion
[16:44] <bjf> smb, i see tgardner's changes but i'm trying to find mine
[16:44] <smb> bjf, I guess you are looking for alsa stuff
[16:44] <baptistemm> all people belinging to canonical kernel team have a 3 letter nick
[16:44] <smb> bjf, They don't look in to me
[16:44] <smb> baptistemm, Not true in all cases
[16:44] <bjf> smb, hmmm, tgardner supposedly pulled them in
[16:45] <baptistemm> :)
[16:45] <bjf> smb, at least he told me he had
[16:46] <smb> bjf, I believe I saw some pull request but have not hit it rewinding in time, yet. Or maybe you point me to the pull link
[16:46] <smb> bjf, Last thing I see here is going to alsa 1.0.23
[16:46] <bjf> smb, i'm looking in the repo right now... just a sec
[16:46] <apw> i think it may be pulled by tnot uploaded yet
[16:47] <bjf> smb, 749cfb7b29106837360436fdab6a58a782b5b907 Updating with the alsa-driver 1.0.23 release
[16:47] <bjf> smb, that's it
[16:48] <smb> bjf, That should be out since ages
[16:48] <bjf> smb, define "ages"
[16:48] <bjf> smb, i did it during release week
[16:49] <bjf> smb, i don't see a lucid-changes email that mentions it, i see the compat wireless udev glue commit by rtg
[16:49] <smb> bjf, Ah, my fault. I was not looking into the branching
[16:50] <smb> bjf, So it was commited but the last two uploads circled around it
[16:50] <bjf> smb, i don't see any branches in ubuntu-lucid-lbm
[16:51] <bjf> smb, how does that work? :-)
[16:51] <smb> bjf, gitk for me, but apw surely has something textual
[16:52] <apw> right, we did a day 0 round it
[16:53] <apw> it will get in next time i assume
[16:53] <bjf> apw, ah, so it will hit the street eventually
[16:53] <bjf> apw, smb, when might that be?
[16:53] <smb> bjf, git log --graph actually. In a few weeks
[16:54] <smb> bjf, Cannot say something more specific. There will be a sec update between
[16:56] <bjf> smb, hmm, that's one of the areas i still don't "get" how we schedule our updates (this being an lbm)
[16:56] <bjf> smb, no prob. you can enlighten me next week over a beer
[16:56] <bjf> smb, which reminds me, there is an overpriced belgium waiting for me somewhere
[16:57] <bjf> cheers all
[16:57] <smb> bjf, Sure will do. Cheers
[17:21]  * cking does not like embedded controllers - what whimsical things they are
[17:22] <apw> they do get the hump most easily
[18:00] <bigcx2> "the hump"
[18:00] <bigcx2> cking, anything in particular grinding your gears or just spouting off
[18:01] <cking> bigcx2, just buggy BIOS code, that's all. My normal bread-and-butter bugs
[18:02]  * bigcx2 knows from experiences that BIOS's can be extremely lame sometimes
[18:03] <bigcx2> that was weird, just got kicked out
[18:43] <JFo> sigh* forgot to change my nick
[18:51] <cnd> JFo: what are your plans to pass the time on the plane?
[18:52] <JFo> cnd, not sure yet
[18:52] <JFo> been thinking of reading, etc.
[18:52] <JFo> music
[18:52] <JFo> but i haven't begun that plan yet
[18:52] <JFo> you have anything in mind?
[18:52] <sconklin> in general don't plan on having enough room to use a laptop. I bring thick books
[18:52] <JFo> sconklin, don't I know it :)
[18:53] <sconklin> Most international flights have enough movies that you can find three that you want to watch
[18:53] <sconklin> bring your own headset, some airlines charge
[18:54] <cnd> sconklin: I've found my mini to be small enough, but it wouldn't last a full flight either
[18:54] <sconklin> I wish someone would sell a good pull-string charger that could run a mini
[18:54] <cnd> I've been thinking of going to the library this evening maybe
[18:54] <cnd> to get a book of some sort
[18:54] <cnd> sconklin: would pull string give enough power?
[18:55] <JFo> or crank
[18:55] <cnd> let alone the fact that I wouldn't want to sit next to someone with such a device :)
[18:55] <JFo> although I think the same limitation as string would apply
[18:55] <cnd> I'd be afraid of getting punched out :)
[18:55] <JFo> heh
[18:55] <cnd> I should check if delta posts the movies they have
[18:55] <sconklin> most of them you just pull once to wind them. Even if they can't keep up with the discharge rate, you might get enough extended life to make it worthwhile
[18:56] <cnd> I also need to find my ac converter, I seem to have misplaced it...
[19:01] <cnd> hmmm... delta has a large fleet of in-flight wifi, but they only mention domestic flights on the blog
[19:02] <bigcx2> iirc you have to pay for in-flight wifi
[19:02] <cnd> bigcx2: it would be worth it to me
[19:02] <cnd> but I have a funny feeling international flights are excluded
[19:05] <bigcx2> cnd: yea i think you're right
[19:05] <bigcx2> http://blog.delta.com/2009/06/26/the-latest-wings-with-wi-fi-part-xiii/
[19:08] <cnd> bigcx2: rats...
[19:09] <cnd> thanks for the link though
[19:09] <cnd> at least I don't have to have my hopes dashed at the plane :)
[19:10] <bigcx2> ya, furthering my curiosity, one more link
[19:10] <bigcx2> http://www.gogoinflight.com/gogo/cms/work.do
[19:17] <cnd> bigcx2: cool
[20:00] <JFo> gonna be afk off and on for a while. finishing up some packing
[21:17] <bjf> sconklin, ping
[21:39]  * ogasawara lunch
[22:14] <kamal> UDS travellers --   Atlantic ash cloud adds time to US-Europe flights  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100507/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_iceland_volcano
[22:31] <jjohansen> :(
[22:48]  * manjo needs to kill some fish ... puts on a hat... its damn hot outside today..
[22:48] <manjo> talk to you later folks
[23:50]  * jjohansen runs to get a couple things