[00:00] <caodepalha> I'm dumb can u expecify "card"?
[00:01] <NarcTix> caodepa1ha When you booted in first time did you use the restricted drivers option, The latest Ubuntu I use is 12.04 with kde/xfce so not sure where it is these days as I used Gnome in the past
[00:01] <adicted2gravity> hi all
[00:01] <OerHeks> wubi is slower than the real deal
[00:02] <caodepalha> no. it just said: preparing to start ubuntu for the first time
[00:03] <NarcTix> oh wubi is slow sorry never used that . Why install Linux from within windows installs are easy (same as windows) these days
[00:04] <NarcTix> You dont have to compile anymore
[00:04] <caodepalha> so it is slow because i installed it with wubi on windows?
[00:04] <AlexandreMBM> trism, http://intertwingly.net/blog/3299.xhtml
[00:05] <AlexandreMBM> trism, https://gist.github.com/nealmcb/3120773
[00:05] <NarcTix> caodepa1ha No I didnt rerad the full story ( a bad habit of mine) And thought you meant the install was slow, sorry for the confusion.
[00:05] <OerHeks> !wubi
[00:05] <caodepalha> no problem. the install went allright. its slow when i browse through ubuntu
[00:06] <AlexandreMBM> trism, http://drfav.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/inhibiting/
[00:06] <caodepalha> i use win7
[00:06] <NarcTix> caodepa1ha It sounds like your gfx drivers arent installed to me
[00:07] <caodepalha> humm ok. so should i restart the laptop and install gfx drivers? where do i look for them?
[00:07] <OerHeks> i wonder if you even can install restricted drivers in wubi
[00:08] <NarcTix> oerheks probabbly not with license restrictions
[00:09] <darknyan> Is automatically connecting to a VPN still a broken feature in network-manager-openvpn?
[00:09] <caodepalha> narctix you reckon it's about the gfx drivers?
[00:10] <NarcTix> caodepa1ha thats the first place I would look if it was my box and your symptoms sound like your gfx is running at min, whats your highest resoloution you can set?
[00:11] <caodepalha> 1280x800
[00:11] <caodepalha> on windows
[00:12] <caodepalha> maybe i should be on this chat through ubuntu and now windows 7. i will restart the laptop and come back via ubuntu to try to solve it
[00:12] <NarcTix> caodepa1ha might not be then you usually wouldnt be able to set higher then 1208x768 from my experience if its drivers.
[00:13] <NarcTix> 1028x768*
[00:13] <akurilin> Is it safe to assume that ssl-cert-snakeoil is generated every time the ssl-cert package is installed as opposed to being the same cert for each Ubuntu instance?
[00:14] <NarcTix> akuriin whats the ssl cert serving?
[00:14] <NarcTix> and what type of ssl cert?
[00:16] <akurilin> NarcTix, just to clarify, it's not a cert I generated, it's supposedly placed for you under /etc/ssl/private and /etc/ssl/certs.
[00:19] <NarcTix> akurilin tbh thats a bit like asking how long is a piece of string, If no bugs then nothing should break.
[00:21] <akurilin> NarcTix, I must have asked the question poorly. I'm just wondering if the certificate placed into those folders by ssl-cert is generated each time or the same one for everybody (which sounds like a terrible idea, but I want to be safe)
[00:22] <NarcTix> akuriin Thats why I asked what are they serving? Are they for https, secure imap, etc?
[00:23] <NarcTix> akuriin where did they come from?
[00:25] <NarcTix> akuriin apart from bugs an upgrade or uninstall shouldnt remove any configs unless you purge on an uninstall
[00:26] <Guest26271> hello
[00:26] <Guest26271> hello seronis
[00:26] <OerHeks> !rootirc
[00:27] <pfifo> Hi guys
[00:27] <OerHeks> hi pfifo
[00:28] <NarcTix> Never run Linux as root one of the main reasons *nix is secure is the restricted usage!
[00:28] <pfifo> fresh install here on a laptop I just aquired, the font in the terminal is a bit hard on my eyes due to the crappy LCD, and I cant increase the font size any larger without having issues... Im hoping someone can offer up a better monospaced font for this circumstance
[00:30] <caodepalha> hi again this is caodepalha the ubuntu newbie
[00:30] <fpjis57592> hi
[00:31] <zephyr> Having a problem using apt-get.  Can't install or even update due to this error.  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5812496/
[00:31] <caodepalha> my ubuntu is kinda slow someone told me about gfx drives. where can i find them?
[00:32] <NarcTix> zephyr you tried clearing your apt cache?
[00:32] <pfifo> zephyr: did you try 'sudo apt-get install -f' yet?
[00:32] <zephyr> pfifo: nope, will do
[00:32] <NarcTix> and have you run update?
[00:32] <zephyr> NarcTix: the pasted errors are from the update command.
[00:33] <exotron> is there any way to move the unity app bar to the bottom?
[00:33] <Guest1028> hm
[00:33] <zephyr> pfifo, I get a "header" error with -f
[00:33] <exotron> instead of being on the left side of the screen?
[00:33] <caodepalha> even though i've already done some research i'm a total newbie to all linux ubuntu matters. i need a bit of help and patience here to get started
[00:34] <pfifo> zephyr: what command did you issue originally to make that paste
[00:34] <zephyr> sudo apt-get update
[00:34] <zephyr> pfifo: that paste is the end of it... much of the update went fine.
[00:34] <chrisirc> How does the Ubuntu desktop open applications from the GUI? I'm especially interested in how it handles the case of applications that are already open. Since opening them through fork/exec (e.g. from the shell) isn't consistently handled by applications.
[00:34] <chrisirc> Some start new instances, some open documents in existing ones.
[00:35] <OerHeks> caodepalha, open top left icon ( = dash) and type " restricted " > restricted drivers, although i am not sure this is available in WUBI
[00:35] <zephyr> caodepalha: There isn't much patience in this channel, but plenty of help.
[00:35] <caodepalha> I installed ubuntu 12.0.4 with wubi on windows 7 on my laptop. it's on duual boot now. when i browse through ubuntu i find it quite slow
[00:35] <pfifo> zephyr: your using some PPA's arent you?
[00:35] <zephyr> pfifo: I believe Steam Client installed it's own PPA
[00:35] <NarcTix> zephyr what version of Ubuntu you running as well and I cant remember the name for them (Ubuntu ppl will be able to answer the equivelant of EPL and such repos for RH/CentOS)
[00:36] <zephyr> NarcTix: Ringtale something or other, 13.04
[00:36] <NarcTix> zephyr any PPas (I remebered)
[00:37] <pfifo> zephyr: I would say its a  problem with that ppa
[00:37] <fpjis57592> What is the codename of 11.04 please
[00:38] <pfifo> !11.04
[00:38] <fpjis57592> thanks
[00:38] <NarcTix> zephyr I just read the erors its steam so not sure
[00:38] <zephyr> NarcTix, pfifo: I double-checked and I have additional repos, but no PPAs
[00:39] <Bozza> Hey all. If I took Ubuntu modified it , could I call it the hurr durr distro? Or is that not permitted under gnu?
[00:39] <vitormiran> hello..can someone helps me with the installation procedures for ubuntu 12.04 on a pre-installed windows 8 laptop? I can`t boot ubuntu through grub, don`t know why...
[00:39] <NarcTix> zephyr Its the steam repo (didnt know there was one) Or a Steam PPa thats giving the error doesent look like the main repos to me
[00:39] <Bozza> Zephyr you look familiar
[00:39] <pfifo> zephyr: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:40] <pfifo> Bozza: you can do that, let me know when its ready ill install any distro called the hurr durr distro
[00:40] <Bozza> Zephyr aren't you that guy with a dreambox?
[00:40] <Bozza> pfifo: :D awesome
[00:40] <OerHeks> vitormiran, do you have an UEFI bios?
[00:40] <OerHeks> !uefi
[00:41] <zephyr> pfifo, NarcTix: fixed it.  It was a MergeList issue
[00:41] <vitormiran> OerHeks: yes... I can`t boot ubuntu in uefi mode. only in BIOS mode
[00:41] <zephyr> Bozza: not me
[00:41] <Bozza> zephyr: ahh maybe it was someone with the same handle
[00:41] <OerHeks> i am not an expert with uefi, all i know is that manual.
[00:42] <NarcTix> zephyr or a config issue if you remove anything steam related from your apt repo list updates should work, btw the errors probbably mean your system is up to date and your just getting the error because steam couldnt be updated. Try installing a new package if that doesent work something is broke.
[00:42] <vitormiran> OerHeks: i`ve already tried to install in BIOS mode and then use boot repair to convert the installation to uefi mode. but that didn`t worked either.
[00:42] <pfifo> fresh install here on a laptop I just aquired, the font in the terminal is a bit hard on my eyes due to the crappy LCD, and I cant increase the font size any larger without having issues... Im hoping someone can offer up a better monospaced font for this circumstance
[00:42] <zephyr> NarcTix: I removed steam and tried again... was still getting authentication errors.  Fixing the mergelist solved it, though
[00:43] <wilee-nilee> vitorluz, Best help is here start a thread if needed. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[00:43] <NarcTix> zephyr cool
[00:43] <wilee-nilee> that is a help thread
[00:43] <zephyr> NarcTix: thanks, though!
[00:43] <NarcTix> zephyr np
[00:44] <NarcTix> zephyr this is what open source is about helping people learn and fixing things quick :)
[00:46] <vitormiran> wilee-nilee: I'll take a look on that... but I'm afraid my laptop is not compatible with ubuntu right now
[00:46] <zephyr> Agreed, NarcTix
[00:46] <NarcTix> vitorian have you disable acpci
[00:46] <wilee-nilee> vitormiran, I doubt that, the manufacturers just tweak that uefi to their needs it is not a cut and dry install.
[00:47] <NarcTix> aspci*
[00:47] <wilee-nilee> in genaral
[00:48] <pfifo> http://ubottu.com/y/rn still points to the wrong release notes... going on 2 months now
[00:48] <vitormiran> wilee-nilee:got that
[00:48] <FatalPriapism> Alright! Finally got all 4 monitors up and running in their proper resolutions. Alas, a new problem has arisen. I only get the taskbar in one monitor, and when I try to drag an app into a different monitor it keeps looping back to the reverse side of the same monitor
[00:49] <NarcTix> I dont think nvidia or the nouveau drivers support awny more than 3 mons I might be wrong though
[00:49] <vitormiran> wilee-nilee: I see the grub screen in uefi mode, but when I select the option `Install Ubuntu` all I have is a black screen and no further response
[00:50] <FatalPriapism> @narctix: I'm running dual ATIs
[00:50] <vitormiran> wilee-nilee: have you saw that before?
[00:52] <pfifo> FatalPriapism: are you using randr?
[00:53] <FatalPriapism> I have it installed, although I didn't configure it after the I ran the update from terminal...I'm in Windows right this sec let me reboot and I'll pop back up in about 5
[00:54] <NarcTix> Linux doesent need to be rebboted for desktop enviroment just reatart your window manager
[00:54] <NarcTix> and x11 just incase
[00:54] <pfifo> but he said windows
[00:55] <NarcTix> my bad
[00:55] <wilee-nilee> vitormiran, I have no clue to uefi as most here, use the ubuntu forums and wait for that threads author for help is my advice.
[00:55] <vitormiran> ok thx
[00:58] <wilee-nilee> vitormiran, M-f they are on daytime 9-5 and later for sure weekends I'm not sure.
[00:58] <wilee-nilee> 9-5 US
[00:58] <nimbiotics> Hello evry1. I was playing a game (armagetron) and when I exited the game my desktop went to the lowest possible resolution (480x something). I tried changing it, but now I cant' even see my desktop, I use ubuntu studio 13.04 with xfce. Can someone please help me get my desktop back? Thanks!
[00:58] <morientz> hi
[00:58] <pfifo> nimbiotics: have you tried rebooting?
[00:59] <Freze> does anyone know what this does cat > hello.txt << EOF
[00:59] <rypervenche> nimbiotics: You can fix it by using xrandr if you know your default resolution.
[00:59] <Freze> I'm confused about the << EOF part
[00:59] <nimbiotics> pfifo: more than a couple of times
[00:59] <FatalPriapism> Ok, back (and on ubuntu now)
[00:59] <rypervenche> Freze: It will let you type whatever you want and put it into the file. The last line you need to type "EOF" and then press enter and then it will finish.
[00:59] <nimbiotics> rypervenche: what is xrandr?
[01:00] <FatalPriapism> So I have ARandR installed, but it's only giving me options for one monitor
[01:00] <wilee-nilee> !xrandr
[01:00] <rypervenche> nimbiotics: Type "xrandr" in a terminal
[01:01] <nimbiotics> rypervenche: i cant even open a terminal, im currently on my windoze boot side
[01:01] <Freze> rypervenche, yeah I know that using cat > hello.txt allows me to write in the shell and have that output to hello.txt after i press ^D, but the << EOF confuses me. Why do I need to send EOF as the input to hello.txt and how is that possible.
[01:01] <syntroPi> when using dd to create a backup of a block device like this "dd if=/dev/block/platform/sdhci-tegra.3/mmcblk0p1  of=/mnt/sdcard/mmcblk0p1.img"   does that read all the bits from that block device into that image even when i dont specify a blocksize?
[01:01] <rypervenche> Freze: Instead of pressing ctrl+d you type EOF. IT is just a different way of doing it.
[01:02] <Freze> rypervenche, got it!
[01:02] <pfifo> syntroPi: yes... also a hint, use 'sync'
[01:02] <rypervenche> Freze: He's called a here document I think.
[01:03] <rypervenche> Freze: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/here-docs.html
[01:03] <FatalPriapism> I would pay to have someone get this damned thing working once and for all haha
[01:03] <Freze> rypervenche, thanks
[01:03] <Freze> never knew of a here command
[01:04] <nimbiotics> rypervenche: i'll try to log into a terminal, bb ltr
[01:06] <Freze> rypervenche, isin't << used for input redirection or is that only <
[01:07] <FatalPriapism> Is there a keyboard shortcut to open a terminal?
[01:07] <syntroPi> pfifo, can you explain?
[01:07] <pfifo> FatalPriapism: C-M-t
[01:08] <syntroPi> pfifo, i am trying to make a backup of my recovery image on my android device of the recovery partition before flashing cwm on it
[01:08] <FatalPriapism> erm...define "C" and "M", assuming t is the letter 't' ?
[01:08] <PatrickDickey> Control (C) Meta (Alt) t
[01:09] <PatrickDickey> syntroPi: The blocksize command in dd is just how big of a chunk it will grab at one time. The bigger the blksize, the shorter the amount of time it will take to copy an entire drive/partition.
[01:09] <seronis> how difficult is it to try an alternative desktop environment without breaking anything currently installed?
[01:09] <pfifo> syntroPi: if you use the sync option of dd, and you encounter badblocks, it will pad them with NUL characters, that way your image is the exact size of the original block device ex 'dd if=/dev/sdh7 of=backup.blk noerror sync bs=16K'
[01:10] <seronis> ie:  im using xfce (xubuntu) currently and want to install KDE to see how it works
[01:10] <FatalPriapism> pfifo: no dice...I'm on Ubuntu Studio, apparently they've disabled that binding
[01:10] <PatrickDickey> seronis, you can install multiple desktops. They'll work alongside each other with minimal intrusion.
[01:10] <pfifo> FatalPriapism: Ctrl-Meta(alt)-t
[01:10] <yown> Does ubuntu 13.4 have the ability to do quasi-gnome 2. DE? I remember someone telling me about a "classic" backup DE or something
[01:11] <syntroPi> pfifo, it didnt complain about any errors and its just 10.5 MB so its pretty fast. i just want to make sure it got all the bits from that block device
[01:11] <pfifo> syntroPi: to make sure... run md5sum on the both of them, it should match
[01:11] <FatalPriapism> pfifo: tried that, no dice
[01:12] <pfifo> FatalPriapism: alt-F2 to get the run dialog
[01:13] <FatalPriapism> That worked, but it keeps popping up on the "primary" display...let me try to tweak some settings
[01:13] <syntroPi> pfifo, yes thats a good idea, they seem to match
[01:13] <PatrickDickey> FatalPriapism: Do you have the proprietary drivers installed? If so, I think in the catalayst Control Centre, it has options for multiple desktops.
[01:13] <yown> Was my question seen?
[01:14] <pfifo> FatalPriapism: you can specify options for the DISPLAY, 'DISPLAY=0:2 lxterminal'
[01:14] <opti> when i login i get the desktop which i can right click on, but no menubar etc, what would i --reconfigure to try and fix that?
[01:14] <PatrickDickey> yown, it might be in Ubuntu classic (if that's still available). Otherwise, I think you're options are Gnome3 or maybe cinnamon or something similar.
[01:15] <FatalPriapism> @PatrickDickey & @pfifo: Yeahhh...dumb mistake on my part, I set the monitors for all single-desktops...time for a reboot and I'll be back with a "yay it worked" in 5 minutes (I Hope) thanks guys
[01:15] <pfifo> yown: I read it, just keep asking til someone who knows comes along
[01:15] <yown> PatrickDickey: Does 13.4 contain classic?
[01:15] <PatrickDickey> yown: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-classic-gnome-desktop-in-ubuntu-13-04-raring-ringtail.html
[01:16] <PatrickDickey> yown: ymmv (your mileage may vary) and I don't make any guarantees.
[01:18] <yown> PatrickDickey: That screen shot shows a failure. I see "applications" and "places" placed next to each other with no spacing, and "system" is not there
[01:18] <rypervenche> Freze: Check the man page for bash.
[01:18] <rypervenche> Freze: So a search for <<
[01:18] <nimbiotics> rypervenche: I used the advanced options to login as root in a terminal, but when I used "xrandr", the system said it could not find a display. what can I do?
[01:18] <rypervenche> do*
[01:18] <pfifo> is 13.10 going to be smelly skunk?
[01:18] <rypervenche> nimbiotics: Don't do it as root
[01:18] <marawan2> hello every one
[01:18] <PatrickDickey> yown, as I said, your mileage may vary. That's just one result from a google search for gnome 2 on ubuntu 13.04
[01:19] <marawan2> is there some room # to talk about softwares found in  the ubuntu software center
[01:19] <zephyr> Anyone know how to make motion capture video instead of individual .jpg?
[01:19] <pfifo> marawan2: #ubuntu-motu i think
[01:19] <pfifo> marawan2: but most questions can be asked here
[01:19] <marawan2> ok
[01:19] <Freze> rypervenche, got it. It  bash thing
[01:19] <nimbiotics> I have no idea how to proceed. Im doing it as root, cause it is an option of the recovery mode, what else can I do?
[01:19] <PatrickDickey> marawan2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat is a complete list of all channels.
[01:20] <nimbiotics> rypervenche: I have no idea how to proceed. Im doing it as root, cause it is an option of the recovery mode, what else can I do?
[01:20] <marawan2> so can someone tell me any good games found in the center
[01:20] <pfifo> marawan2: nethack, nethack and nethack
[01:20] <marawan2> pfifo what is it about
[01:21] <Freze> thanks rypervenche
[01:21] <marawan2> pfifo: or what type of game
[01:21] <rypervenche> nimbiotics: Oh, it won't work in recovery mode. Log in normally and then open a terminal.
[01:21] <PatrickDickey> Sorry marawan2, that link should have been https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList not the other. Darn browsers anyhow.
[01:21] <pfifo> marawan2: its a 'rouge-like' console based stragety, very very difficult
[01:21] <rypervenche> Freze: Anytime.
[01:21] <marawan2> pfifo: very difficult?
[01:22] <pfifo> VERY
[01:25] <marawan2> well any other games
[01:25] <nimbiotics> I cant login normally. I see nothing,the desktop disappears, it is a weird thing
[01:25] <marawan2> #ubuntu-for-all
[01:25] <nimbiotics> rypervenche: I cant login normally. I see nothing,the desktop disappears, it is a weird thing
[01:26] <rypervenche> nimbiotics: You said you tried to change it. How did you try to do that?
[01:26] <pfifo> My mother sent me a text today saying that gmail would not let her in due to chromium being outdated, shes still running 11.10, and I walked her through a upgrade but with no luck, can anyone verify this behavior of gmail? Im thinking someones trying to scam her.
[01:28] <Ben64> pfifo: 11.10 is eol, it needs to be upgraded to at least 12.04
[01:29] <FatalPriapism> @pfifo: Making progress, have two monitors that are moving apps back and forth. The other two are still acting as an independent desktop though (because of the separate gfx cards I guess)
[01:29] <pfifo> Ben64: yeah I know Im slacking, but as far as what gmail is saying?
[01:29] <PatrickDickey> pfifo: also, the version of chromium is probably old and not supported anymore either.
[01:29] <DIL> !recordmydesktop
[01:30] <nimbiotics> rypervenche: at some point I had my desktop in that very low resolution, but I lost that as soon as I rebooted. I can see a quarter of my desktop for a few seconds, if I click on settings, the setting window seems to open, but the system does not seem to respond. I have to forcefully shut it down
[01:30] <PatrickDickey> pfifo: It would be like trying to access gmail with Internet Explorer 6. Gmail is telling you that it's obsolete and they don't release security (or any other) fixes for it. So you need to upgrade, or install something else.
[01:32] <pfifo> PatrickDickey: ok thanks, I think I remember seeingsuch a message before
[01:33] <zephyr> Anyone know how to make motion capture video instead of individual .jpg?
[01:34] <pfifo> !info recordmydesktop | zephyr
[01:34] <zephyr> pfifo: not even close to what I'm looking for.  I meant the application "motion"
[01:34] <zephyr> pfifo: :)
[01:35] <FatalPriapism> back yet again
[01:35] <pfifo> ohh, then I have no idea, maybe motion has a channel
[01:36] <zephyr> pfifo: well, wadayaknow...they do.  Thanks!
[01:36] <CosmicSpark> https://code.google.com/p/pidgin-opensteamworks/ Can someone explain to me how I'm supposed to use Steam through Pidgin? I can't get it to work.
[01:37]  * PatrickDickey always figured steam would kill pigeons. :P Sorry, I couldn't resist it.
[01:37] <CosmicSpark> Lol
[01:38] <FatalPriapism> mmm steamed pidgin
[01:38] <CosmicSpark> ooh never mind, I managed to get it
[01:38] <pfifo> CosmicSpark: did you read this https://code.google.com/p/pidgin-opensteamworks/wiki/HowToInstall
[01:38] <PatrickDickey> and that's how a channel goes awry.
[01:39] <CosmicSpark> That is for Windows, lol.
[01:39] <CosmicSpark> And the comments already helped.
[01:39] <yown> Is there a way to have gnome 2 like environment in 13.4 ubuntu? My searches have come up a little dry.
[01:39] <pfifo> CosmicSpark: theres some linux help further down
[01:39] <CosmicSpark> I'm just not sure where to extract the icons.zip
[01:39] <CosmicSpark> that's the only thing I'm wondering now.
[01:40] <pfifo> yown: xubuntu uses xfce which is very gnome2ish
[01:40] <nimbiotics> Hello evry1. I was playing a game (armagetron) and when I exited the game my desktop went to the lowest possible resolution (480x something). I tried changing it, but now I cant' even see my desktop, I use ubuntu studio 13.04 with xfce. Can someone please help me get my desktop back? Thanks!
[01:41] <FatalPriapism> @nimbiotics what gfx card are you using? Or integrated?
[01:41] <pfifo> nimbiotics: its a long shot but try running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and then restart
[01:43] <nimbiotics> pfifo: I cant, I can login, but the desktop seems to disappear
[01:43] <yown> pfifo: Not gnome2 ish enough
[01:44] <nimbiotics> FatalPriapism: envidia ge 6400
[01:44] <nicekiwi> !meow
[01:44] <pfifo> nimbiotics: use ctrl-alt-F1 to get to a terminal
[01:45] <pfifo> nimbiotics: you may need 'dpkg-reconfigure --force xserver-xorg'
[01:45] <nimbiotics> pfifo: havent tried ctl-alt-F1, but ctl-alt-F2 does not seem to work, I think it does work, its just that I cant see the window
[01:45] <FatalPriapism> There is a command for ati cards that (sometimes) fixes that, trying to find one for nVidia
[01:46] <pfifo> nimbiotics: ctrl-alt-f1 will drop you to a real terminal, not a window containing a terminal
[01:46] <eridu> hey, any bug managers around that could properly prioritize/assign this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1173400
[01:46] <nimbiotics> pfifo, FatalPriapism: How can I dod that if I cant access a CLI
[01:47] <nimbiotics> pfifo: will try that, be back in a while, hopefully from linux!
[01:47] <FatalPriapism> nimbiotics: try this in terminal:    xrandr --addmode S-video {insert resolution here}
[01:48] <nimbiotics> FatalPriapism: will also try, thx
[01:48] <yown> With the fallback menu option, "systems" menu tree is missing. Anyone know why? Or a way to get it back?
[01:51] <excelsiora> !ot
[01:54] <yown> excelsiora: Was that for me? I didn't ask anything offtopic
[01:56] <excelsiora> yown: no, for me, I keep forgetting the OT page
[01:56] <CosmicSpark> Guys, how the hell do I give myself access to a folder? It's restricted to root, and I need to extract a .zip to that folder (not a system folder or something, it's just pidgin plugin)
[01:57] <xangua> CosmicSpark: you can use the .purple directory in your home for that
[01:57] <pfifo> CosmicSpark: sudo -s
[01:57] <CosmicSpark> I can't, I have to extract it to an /usr/share/ etc. folder
[01:57] <FatalPriapism> CosmicSpark: chown it
[01:58] <CosmicSpark> ??
[01:58] <PatrickDickey> sudo tar xvf name-of-archive /usr/share/etc/.
[01:59] <PatrickDickey> where /usr/share/etc is whatever folder you have to extract it to.
[01:59] <CosmicSpark> Could you tell me what that does? >.>
[01:59] <pfifo> isnt it supposed to be 'sudo tar xvf name-of-archive -C /usr/share/etc/'
[02:00] <PatrickDickey> sudo means run as super user (root) tar xvf is the archiver command with arguments, and the name of the archive (zip file) then the location you're extracting it to.
[02:00] <PatrickDickey> pfifo: I'm not sure. I've never used the -C option before.
[02:01] <FatalPriapism> How I do it (not saying it's the right/easiest way): {navigate to directory} chown mike sublime.bz2
[02:01] <CosmicSpark> How do I open the file browser (the GUI) as superuser? I've been fiddling with the console for ages now and I couldn't get anything donw.
[02:01] <PatrickDickey> sudo nautilus (if you're on ubuntu)
[02:02] <PatrickDickey> CosmicSpark: actually, use gksudo nautilus (for GUI's).
[02:03] <FatalPriapism> Where is the executable for terminal?
[02:03] <CosmicSpark> THANK YOU, lol
[02:03] <pfifo> FatalPriapism: /usr/bin
[02:03] <marawan2> #ubuntu-iso
[02:04] <FatalPriapism> Odd, what is the name for it?
[02:04] <PatrickDickey> no problem. And both sudo or gksudo will work, but gksudo is the one you *should* use for GUI's on Ubuntu/Gnome. I think ksudo is for KDE (Kubuntu).
[02:04] <pfifo> FatalPriapism: could be 'gnome-terminal' or in my case its 'lxterminal' cause i use lubuntu, on xubuntu i think its 'xfce4-terminal'
[02:04] <PatrickDickey> FatalPriapism: are you on ubuntu or one of it's derivatives?
[02:04] <marawan2> #lubuntu
[02:05] <FatalPriapism> ubuntu studio
[02:05] <PatrickDickey> FatalPriapism: try gnome-terminal
[02:05] <FatalPriapism> tried it
[02:05] <marawan2> #ubuntu-beginners
[02:05] <FatalPriapism> Oddly enough its lxterm
[02:06] <marawan2> #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:06] <nimbiotics> pfifo: did not work. I could see my desktop again for a little while, but it froze and I cannot see but a quarter of my desktop ... and it wont scroll. I'm in desperation mode now ...
[02:07] <pfifo> FatalPriapism: just do this 'ls -la /etc/alternatives/| grep term'
[02:07] <PatrickDickey> Ahhh so Ubuntu Studio is an LXDE-based (or at least uses some LXDE parts) distro.
[02:07] <FatalPriapism> pfifo: already got it, thanks
[02:07] <nimbiotics> FatalPriapism: when I execute xrander system says i could not connetc to display
[02:07] <pfifo> nimbiotics: I did say it was a long shot
[02:07] <marawan2> hey guys, is ubuntu the most popular linux distro
[02:08] <FatalPriapism> hey marawan2, LMGTFY
[02:08] <marawan2> LMGTFY ?
[02:08] <nimbiotics> pfifo: np ... any other ideas?
[02:08] <nimbiotics> Hello evry1. I was playing a game (armagetron) and when I exited the game my desktop went to the lowest possible resolution (480x something). I tried changing it, but now I cant' even see my desktop, I use ubuntu studio 13.04 with xfce. Can someone please help me get my desktop back? Thanks!
[02:08] <FatalPriapism> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Is+ubuntu+the+most+popular+linux+distribution%3F
[02:08] <FatalPriapism> nimbiotics, stand by one sec
[02:09] <PatrickDickey> marawan2: I think he means that you'll get varying opinions with questions like that.
[02:09] <FatalPriapism> nimbiotics: Terminal: lspci | grep VGA
[02:09] <pfifo> FatalPriapism: you not supposed to use that service here
[02:09] <FatalPriapism> pfifo: oh damnit :/
[02:09] <marawan2> PatrickDickey is there no straight fact/statistic
[02:09] <marawan2> PatrickDickey there should be
[02:10] <FatalPriapism> Actually, there is a statistic. Check distrowatch.com
[02:10] <pfifo> I would say fedora is much more popular than ubuntu, due to corprate users
[02:10] <PatrickDickey> marawan2: How can there be? If you look at distrowatch, it might show Mint as the most popular. But, that doesn't take into consideration how many people download ubuntu from Canonical--and not through distrowatch.
[02:10] <FatalPriapism> Linux Mint had the most hits last time I looked
[02:10] <xangua> !ot | marawan2 FatalPriapism
[02:11] <Austin> Hello dose anybody here know how to make a Windows 7 Install USB without root acess ?
 so there is no facts
[02:12] <FatalPriapism> Austin: were you asking the same thing on here earlier?
[02:12] <Austin> sadly yes
[02:12] <Austin> i cant get anything to work that iv'e tried
[02:12] <nimbiotics> FatalPriapism: I have to boot back and forth to/from linux. BRB
[02:13] <Austin> im trying k3b agian to see if i can find a setting to make a USB bootable
[02:13] <pfifo> Austin: can you give more details about what your doing?
[02:14] <IdleOne> Austin: try ##windows We don't do windows support in here
[02:14] <PatrickDickey> Austin: Your best bet is to either get an external CD/DVD drive, or if you have a computer that runs Windows, create it there. You could try installing it in a virtual machine (virtualbox) and then creating the USB that way also (using Microsoft's tool).
[02:15] <w30> FatalPriapism, which Ubuntu? all of'em Xubuntu,Lubuntu, Unity
[02:15] <FatalPriapism> Austin: the only thing I can think of is formatting the flash drive as UDF and writing hte ISO to it
[02:15] <PatrickDickey> IdleOne: He popped into ##windows for about 30 seconds and left earlier.
[02:15] <FatalPriapism> w30: huh?
[02:15] <gordonjcp> w30: roland reference?
[02:16] <w30> FatalPriapism, how did they count ubuntu? a total of all variations?
[02:16] <FatalPriapism> I'm gonna get the off topic again, but no, they differentiate by flavor
[02:16] <w30> FatalPriapism, ok, thanks
[02:17] <FatalPriapism> alright, I've never really figured this out in IRC...but how do you talk "to" someone?
[02:18] <pfifo> use /privmsg <person> message goes here
[02:18] <PatrickDickey> FatalPriapism: you use /msg if you want to whisper to them, and you just put their name in in the main channel. On some clients, it will highlight what you say, and pop up a notification.
[02:18] <gordonjcp> FatalPriapism: do you mean highlighting them in channel, or having a private conversation?
[02:18] <FatalPriapism> in channel
[02:19]  * PatrickDickey likes Quassel, because it automtically highlights and notifies me, when someone puts my name into a reply.
[02:19] <FatalPriapism> I'm using XChat, maybe I should quit being a lazy you know what and read the documentation
[02:22] <pfifo> I like to use /notice to send quick messages, but only to people I know wont get mad about it
[02:23] <PatrickDickey> bbl.
[02:24] <Global_Radio> how do you get rid of that feature that shows you your destop if you put your cursor at the top left corner of the screen?
[02:25] <kcdiaz> \o
[02:27] <daemeon> Hey all. Does anyone know where the support room for visual studio is?
[02:27] <kcdiaz> nope, sorry
[02:28] <daemeon> dang. Btw I converted my brother from win to ubuntu :D
[02:28] <kcdiaz> nice
[02:29] <FatalPriapism> seriously? visual studio in an ubuntu room?
[02:29] <daemeon> Why do you find that so offensive?
[02:29] <pfifo> !alis | daemeon
[02:31] <Global_Radio> how do you get rid of that feature that shows you your desktops if you put your cursor at the top left corner of the screen?
[02:31] <Global_Radio> its really annoying
[02:32] <kcdiaz> are you talking about the launcher?
[02:32] <linuxuz3r> daemeon, try #windows
[02:32] <Global_Radio> in gnome and cinnamon
[02:33] <Global_Radio> kcdiaz, in gnome and cinnamon
[02:36] <mohrjo> hello
[02:38] <pfifo> hi
[02:39] <FatalPriapism> howdy
[02:39] <Global_Radio> how do you get rid of that feature that shows you your desktops if you put your cursor at the top left corner of the screen?
[02:44] <FatalPriapism> I'm trying to create a MySQL database, does this syntax look correct: CREATE DATABASE phpbb;
[02:45] <dima> "CREATE DATABASE phpbb;" yes it's correct
[02:45] <FatalPriapism> I was pretty sure it was...for some reason it keeps kicking back with a syntax error
[02:51] <MikeMan> Hello
[02:53] <nimbiotics> FatalPriapism: (sry it took me so long) When I issue lspci |grep VGA, I get the name of my display and revision #
[02:53] <FatalPriapism> But you don't get any graphics card info?
[02:53] <nimbiotics> Hello evry1. I was playing a game (armagetron) and when I exited the game my desktop went to the lowest possible resolution (480x something). I tried changing it, but now I cant' even see my desktop, I use ubuntu studio 13.04 with xfce. Can someone please help me get my desktop back? Thanks!
[02:54] <nimbiotics> FatalPriapism: yes, of course, all seems OK
[02:54] <WaLaCu3r0> help in spanish
[02:54] <FatalPriapism> hmm, interesting
[02:54] <wilee-nilee> !es
[02:55] <nimbiotics> FatalPriapism: the revision number does not seem to be OK though, it says something like 01e
[02:55] <MikeMan> Is there an ElementOS IRC channel as well?
[02:55] <nimbiotics> ?QUIEN NECESITA AYUD EN ESPA~OL?
[02:56] <FatalPriapism> ESPA~OL lol
[02:56] <xangua> MikeMan: #elementary
[02:56] <MikeMan> ty :)
[02:56] <FatalPriapism> nimbiotics: I'm not really sure. I looked for a general terminal command to reload graphics drivers, but haven't seen any applicable to you
[02:57] <redmaw> my monitors native resolution is not listed as an option, what do I need to do to fix this issue?
[02:57] <FatalPriapism> install the appropriate drivers
[02:58] <redmaw> never had a problem before with inbox drivers :(
[02:58] <nimbiotics> FatalPriapism: If it wasnt because I have no problem in windows I'd bet the graphic card was gone, but it wokrs OK in windoze
[02:59] <nimbiotics> FatalPriapism: could it be compiz giving me a hard time? is there a way to stop compiz from the command line?
[02:59] <WaLaCu3r0> how to run the touch screen panel in my laptop
[03:00] <wilee-nilee> nimbiotics, Have you tried logging out then back in?
[03:01] <nimbiotics> in and out and vice versa
[03:01] <nimbiotics> wilee-nilee: in and out and vice versa
[03:02] <wilee-nilee> nimbiotics, Are you sure compiz runs in xfce ubuntu studio?
[03:02] <nimbiotics> wilee-nilee: its been working for about a month
[03:03] <FatalPriapism> nimbiotics: metacity --replace &
[03:03] <wilee-nilee> nimbiotics, The OS? I'm not sure compiz is the desktop manager, just thought to ask.
[03:04] <nimbiotics> wilee-nilee: I installed it
[03:04] <FatalPriapism> Or,   killall -9 compiz
[03:04] <nimbiotics> FatalPriapism: both are the same, or are they 2 things to try??
[03:05] <wilee-nilee> nimbiotics, Ah, well have you tried xrandr in the terminal find to resolution with xrandr then run xrandr - s xxxXxxx
[03:05] <FatalPriapism> They both should work (although I haven't tried either), but the second is a bit more forceful
[03:06] <wilee-nilee> the small x's are the resolution the big X is by
[03:06] <FatalPriapism> wilee-nilee: I had him run that earlier
[03:06] <wilee-nilee> nimbiotics, In the caommand though the by x is a small one
[03:07] <nimbiotics> wilee-nilee: xrandr does not work. I get a message like "cannot find display" or the such
[03:08] <wilee-nilee> nimbiotics, Ah, what is the graphic card, and have you installed a driver from the net rather then the repos?
[03:10] <nimbiotics> wilee-nilee: nvidia ge force 9600; I did install propietary driver
[03:11] <wilee-nilee> nimbiotics, I would look there, on kernel upgrades you have top reload the driver, I suspect that s the crux of your problem.
[03:11] <wilee-nilee> to*
[03:11] <wilee-nilee> just a guess but seems likely
[03:12] <nimbiotics> wilee-nilee: and how would I do that?
[03:13] <wilee-nilee> nimbiotics, Not sure the most I know on graphics is what I have seen here and the ubuntu forums, I have never had to mess with them, I have not had the pleasure/pain of nvidia yet.
[03:14] <wilee-nilee> !nvidia
[03:14] <nimbiotics> wilee-nilee: lol
[03:16] <wilee-nilee> nimbiotics, You could use the proprietary drivers if there is a benefit above the repos modified versions as long as you learn the fixes, the channel and ubuntu advises not to in general.
[03:16] <holstein> nim is gone
[03:17] <wilee-nilee> Doh thanks holstein
[03:24] <Eltanin_> > Does anyone have a suggestion about how to determine the stripe size of an existing software RAID? mdadm --detail doesn't say anything for instance
[03:28] <surt> Hi I have a 300Mbps pic-e wifi card, and a 270Mbps router. I'm connecting at 130Mbps max...can this be easily fixed?
[03:33] <OerHeks> surt, 270 mbit router is a raw number, it is the data up and down, including overhead
[03:34] <Ic3kitten> I cannot get Wubi to run, windows says it is not a valid win32 application
[03:34] <funky> :)
[03:35] <OerHeks> Ic3kitten, what windows version ?
[03:35] <wilee-nilee> Ic3kitten, YOu have to use the app, not the cd or ISO, wont run in W8, and is not supported anymore as well.
[03:35] <Ic3kitten> vista
[03:35] <psusi> surt, your router has 3 antenae and the card has 2?
[03:35] <wilee-nilee> !wubi
[03:35] <nipar> does it matter much if I simply let ubuntu install with the default options? or should I actually read up on such things as swap/boot/etc and optimize these numbers=
[03:36] <surt> psusi: 2 on both
[03:36] <psusi> surt, sounds like your router doesn't have the 40 MHz with channels enabled
[03:37] <psusi> surt, should have an option to enable that in the 2.4 GHz band, or use the 5 GHz band instead ( better )
[03:37] <wilee-nilee> nipar, No boot needed, should size the swap fine, a separate home is the issue some want.
[03:37] <holstein> Ic3kitten: i would grab another .exe ..use a manually downloaded iso.. if you have uefi, its reported not to work
[03:37] <wilee-nilee> boot partition that is
[03:37] <Ic3kitten> Umm this should be noted that I cannot download anything on this pc Due to some weird hidden driver that installed a service I simply cannot terminate(VIRUS)
[03:37] <nipar> wilee-nilee, do they simply want it because they are control freaks (not unusual) or because it offers some advantage?
[03:37] <surt> psusi: Correct actually. I didn't research the product properly, 20mhz only. Well I'm not even getting 130mbps speeds. Look I'm just trying to figure out why my network is going slow. I'm getting about 1.5MBps from a 130mbps connection using ftp
[03:37] <redmaw> installing drivers made things worse :( times like this I remember why I don't use linux more often
[03:38] <psusi> surt, don't confuse the speed if the wifi with your Internet link
[03:38] <wilee-nilee> nipar, Kind of a old school method not really needed anymore, depends on your needs, I don't bother myself.
[03:38] <holstein> Ic3kitten: maybe the "weird hidden driver" is preventing the install of a perfectly valid wubi.exe ..the wubi wont be able to fix your OS and allow windows to be functional if its broken
[03:38] <funky> :)
[03:38] <surt> psusi: This is between my desktop pc and my android mobile
[03:38] <surt> wifi lan
[03:38] <funky> is there some hosting room?
[03:39] <funky> to talk about webhosting
[03:39] <nipar> then nor will I, i'm just curious how much tweaking is needed in this day and age, for some funny reason, I seem to always find outdated readingmaterial when it comes to linux
[03:39] <psusi> surt, and if it only has two antenae, the only way it's going to get 270 or 300 mpbs is with a 40 MHz wide channel, so I don't see how it can claim to support that speed and not a 40 MHz channel
[03:39] <Ic3kitten> I downloaded Ubunto on my fathers pc and transfered it with a usd flashdisk, I'm really new to thisbut my knowledge of computers is fairly well
[03:39] <holstein> redmaw: yeah, it can be challening when vendors dont provide you with the support you need to run ubntu/linux.. what is the issue?
[03:39] <holstein> Ic3kitten: if windows is broken, and not allowing you to install anything (or, just wubi) then, the wubi wont work
[03:40] <holstein> Ic3kitten: wubi assumes you can install an application on windows
[03:40] <wilee-nilee> nipar, Look for ubuntu stuff and just make sure it is on your release in general, pretty good documentation, only better I have seen is arch or at least comparable.
[03:40] <holstein> Ic3kitten: you are reporting an error using wubi.exe, and im suggesting that the operating system its self can be the cuase of that error
[03:40] <Ic3kitten> holstein: Let try to reinstal AVG, If that works, then only my downloads are affected
[03:41] <wilee-nilee> funky, Not really a support question, you can search for freenode channels though
[03:41] <surt> psusi: OK my android phone connects to the router at 65mbps, divided by 8 is 8.13MB/s. I'm not expecting that but surely I should have at least half?
[03:41] <psusi> surt, but if you are using the 2.4 GHz band instead of the 5 GHz band, you normally do have to explicitly enable the 40 MHz channel width, since that uses up most of the available channels in the 2.4 GHz band
[03:42] <psusi> surt, you're transfering from the phone to where?
[03:42] <surt> psusi: From the desktop pc to the phone.
[03:42] <surt> Via ftp.
[03:42] <psusi> surt, is the desktop plugged into the router via ethernet, or is it also wireless?
[03:42] <surt> wireless
[03:43] <psusi> surt, then you're using up bandwidth transfering to the router first, then to the phone
[03:43] <surt> But if that was the case...I'd still get more than 1.5>
[03:44] <surt> Wouldn't I?
[03:45] <psusi> surt, maybe as much as 4... if everything in the system is operating perfectly
[03:45] <psusi> but really more like 2-3 since you do have acknowlegements going back, using up some more time
[03:46] <surt> If I'm connected at 100mbps from the pc to the router, then the available bandwidth is roughly 12MB, and about 8MB/s from the router to the phone...
[03:46] <Ic3kitten> holstein: My installation of AVG  was successful, Wubi should have no problem running, That being said, I have the files on my usb drive AND a 570mb CDRW will either of the work.... Windows states<C:\Users\bill\Desktop\ubuntu-13.04-desktop-i386\wubi.exe> C:Users\bill\Desktop\ubuntu-13.04-desktop-i386\wubi.exe is not a valid Win32 application.
[03:47] <psusi> surt, if you're connecting to the router via ethernet instead of wifi, then yea, should get at least 4
[03:49] <psusi> of course, since one end is an android phone, it could be that you are limited by the ability for the phone to write to its flash
[03:49] <holstein> Ic3kitten: i dont consider that to be a valid test.. but, it could be
[03:49] <holstein> Ic3kitten: did you download anothe .exe and try a manual iso?
[03:50] <Ic3kitten> MinecraftSP also downloads Java files from the internet to create a new .minecraft folder
[03:50] <Ic3kitten> give me an .exe example
[03:50] <surt> psusi: OK. So if the server was connected by ethernet, It'd go from 1.5MB to as much as 4?
[03:51] <psusi> surt, I'd say so
[03:51] <psusi> surt, and of course, this is all assuming there's no radio interference
[03:51] <redmaw> holstein trying to get native resolution on my monitor
[03:51] <surt> psusi: But not 8 because of up/down stream?
[03:52] <nimbiotics> FatalPriapism: I'm back in ubuntu, "killal -9 compiz" did the trick, BUT: I still have to keep executing it AND sometimes it just does not help. will keep on testing THANKS A LOT!!!
[03:52] <holstein> redmaw: do you have a custom xorg.conf in place?
[03:52] <redmaw> yes
[03:52] <Ic3kitten> holstein: one problem may be that my download was 251 MB instead of 700mb for the Ubuntu download
[03:52] <psusi> surt, right... some of the time is used sending back acks, and retransmits, more depending on how much interference there is
[03:52] <holstein> Ic3kitten: i would just get the wubi again.. and check the md5 sum if possible
[03:52] <redmaw> trying to add the mode via xrandr but it got added to the wrong connection
[03:52] <Ic3kitten> In a .zip  / RAR format
[03:53] <Ic3kitten> holstein: I will try a few more tests and get back to you, brb
[03:53] <holstein> Ic3kitten: thats why i say, *dont* use the iso that was downloaded with wubi.. get *just* the wubi.exe.. use a custom iso uyo download and comfirm
[03:53] <OerHeks> 251 mb .. that sounds like a bad download
[03:54] <OerHeks> ubuntu does not come in zip / rar format
[03:55] <Ic3kitten> Uhg!!! ?Can I trouble you to help me fix my download problem instead, and start there
[03:56] <OerHeks> redownload the ubuntu iso, i guess
[03:56] <holstein> Ic3kitten: sure
[03:57] <holstein> Ic3kitten: download the iso from here http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[03:57] <Ic3kitten> holstein: I.... I am quite sure I did
[03:58] <holstein> Ic3kitten: if you have a file that is *not* around 800mb's, you dont have it
[03:58] <holstein> Ic3kitten: dont "guess".. look, and see, then when you dont have an *.iso ,download it from the link
[03:58] <Ic3kitten> Thank you, give me an hour or so to re download it
[04:00] <holstein> Ic3kitten: follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide#How_do_I_download_Wubi.3F ... im just suggestion that you have the iso, and put it in the same directory, and dont let wubi download it
[04:00] <hiji> anyone know how to get squidguard to filter http URLS? it filters only https pages :(
[04:01] <redmaw> how do you force a resolution?
[04:01] <christopher138> hello all, I am looking for help with Compiz and the "cube" config. Got compiz runnning, currently using proprietary drivers (at radeonn hd 7310), however the cube effect isn't working,  and it definitely seems like it's trying to, and then crashes.....wobbly windows, and other effects are working fine
[04:02] <redmaw> ubuntu seems dead set on not allowing the resolution I want and I am tired for messing with it.
[04:03] <wilee-nilee> christopher138, Check to see about the ci=ube in whatever release you are running it has been changed and is a bit more difficult if even possible.
[04:03] <wilee-nilee> cube*
[04:04] <Ic3kitten_> holstein: I am on my father's PC now, Give me the link again
[04:04] <redmaw> how come ubuntu does not use my xorg.conf file?
[04:04] <holstein> redmaw: a custom xorg.conf might work for you.. have you tried?
[04:04] <redmaw> I have the file, ubuntu does not appear to use it
[04:04] <varunendra> surt, have you checked the speed on normal downloads/browsing as well, or just ftp transfers?
[04:04] <holstein> redmaw: it will, if its "valid" and in the proper place
[04:04] <redmaw> it is
[04:04] <holstein> !download | Ic3kitten_
[04:04] <redmaw> I just modified the original to add a mode
[04:04] <yown> If I plan to replace my Ubuntu desktop with Mate, Does it matter at all whether I start with xbuntu or ubuntu as my base?
[04:04] <christopher138> I had a feeling as much, many people said neweer releases dropped a lot of features due to bugs....:(
[04:05] <redmaw> xrandr still does not show it and will not let me add that mode
[04:05] <holstein> redmaw: there should not have been one.. maybe the nvidia driver installed one for you..
[04:05] <yown> Or is there a way to have ubuntu with mate already installed?
[04:05] <redmaw> it did
[04:05] <holstein> !minimal > yown
[04:05] <redmaw> I am assuming it was being used after installing the nvidia driver but I could be wrong
[04:05] <holstein> yown: but no.. it doesnt matter.. and i dont think ubuntu can use mate out of the box
[04:06] <redmaw> I noticed some changes but that could have just been from disabling the nouveau driver
[04:06] <redmaw> (module)
[04:07] <holstein> redmaw: i have a certain monitor with an nvidia driver. i updated, and the resolution went off.. im just dealing with it "as-is" for now
[04:07] <yown> holstein: What do you mean, what do you need to get ubuntu to use mate then?
[04:07] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: there is a ppa, methinks.
[04:07] <holstein> yown: i mean, ubuntu *cant* come with mate AFAIK.. so get what you want, and add whatever unsupported source you are going to add..
[04:09] <yown> holstein: But I can install ubuntu, then install mate right away? No prep work required? But then if that were the case, it wouldn't be impossible for ubuntu to come prepacked with mate then
[04:09] <wilee-nilee> yown, Prepacked is canonicals area, not ours
[04:10] <holstein> yown: maybe cany be supported by ubuntu, so you add whatever ppa, and it'll work as the ppa maintainers intend
[04:11] <Ic3kitten_> .... the download is 251 mb
[04:11] <holstein> Ic3kitten_: the iso is not
[04:11] <holstein> Ic3kitten_: i dont know what the issue is, but you can use the md5 sums to assure you have an iso
[04:11] <Ic3kitten_> its in a rar folder but the desc says iso
[04:12] <holstein> !md5
[04:12] <holstein> Ic3kitten_: no need to put anything in a directory yet.. that is *not* an iso
[04:12] <Ic3kitten_> *chuckles* I'm forgetting to do something arent I
[04:14] <varunendra> Ic3kitten_, why don't you just use torrent to download the iso? (www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/alternative-downloads)
[04:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: try xubuntu, you may like it :P
[04:15] <Ic3kitten_> Which netboot
[04:15] <evilbug> i've made a bootable usb stick via unetbootin on 13.04 but i always get a "disc is corrupted" when attempting to install. this has been the case with iso of arch, ubuntu desktop, ubuntu server. any clues as to where the problem lies?
[04:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> also, having difficulty setting up eclipse in ubuntu. installed it via apt-get, but it refuses to launcy
[04:16] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777: Sure, but based on screenshots it seems to be missing some of the things I want in a DE.  It doesn't have that top bar, and it puts all its menus into one like windows does
[04:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> *launch, gives me an error log about not being able to open a zip file
[04:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: xubuntus xfce desktop is highly configurable
[04:16] <varunendra> Ic3kitten_, not netboot, the torrents on that page (if you were asking me.. ;) )
[04:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: exactly what are you looking for?
[04:17] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777: Is it complex to configure it? Is there a downloadable configuration that will give it all the functionality and layout of gnome 2 without days of work?
[04:17] <Ic3kitten_> Thank you, now how do I open a torrent lmao
[04:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> something like the old gnome desktop, I presume?
[04:18] <ntzrmtthihu777> Ic3kitten_: you need a torrent client. deluge or transmission for ubuntu, utorrent for windows :P
[04:18] <holstein> !install | Ic3kitten_
[04:18] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777: Basically gnome 2, I like applications places systems, actually, I wish there were more of them. I like having a second bar to put application shortcuts and for time date
[04:18] <wilee-nilee> evilbug, Have you checked the sums of the ISO's
[04:18] <Ic3kitten_> Links my friends, I am excellent with links
[04:18] <varunendra> Ic3kitten_, you need a torrent client like utorrent on windows, or transmission on Ubuntu.
[04:18] <holstein> !download > Ic3kitten_
[04:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: mine has a setup like this, I set mine up to mimic gnome2 as I like it alot too :P
[04:19] <Ic3kitten_> I have a file ending in .iso.torrent
[04:19] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777: Is there a download or something that will do the work of setting it up like gnome2 for you?
[04:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: see my screenshot: http://imagebin.org/262941
[04:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: its super easy, lol.
[04:20] <evilbug> wilee-nilee: i haven't, no.
[04:20] <varunendra> Ic3kitten_, yes, that's perfect. Now install a torrent client like utorrtnt to use that .torrent file to do the actual download.
[04:20] <Ic3kitten_> :)
[04:20] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777: Doesnt seem super easy, and I only see 1 bar and two menu trees in that picture
[04:21] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: yes, I realize it lacks gnome2's last menu tree, and I only have one bar by choice. you can place as many as you want :P
[04:21] <varunendra> Ic3kitten_, www.utorrent.com/ (for windows, Ubuntu already has "transmission")
[04:21] <Ic3kitten_> I hope, my own searches give me the right link to Utorrent my friend because I would rather not download a virus onto my Father's pricy PC
[04:22] <varunendra> Ic3kitten_, see the link I gave ;)
[04:22] <holstein> Ic3kitten_: you stated the PC already had a virus
[04:22] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777: And you can easily add app shortcuts on one bar while another one handles active open windows?
[04:22] <wilee-nilee> evilbug, I would do that, and check the usb for problems or try another, or at least reformat it. Sounds a bit like the usb with that many fails.
[04:22] <varunendra> lol
[04:22] <Ic3kitten_> I see I see give me a moment
[04:22] <Ic3kitten_> XD
[04:22] <evilbug> wilee-nilee: thing is i've reformated it every time to fat32.
[04:23] <Ic3kitten_> You guys are epic, I cannot stop laughing at this XD
[04:23] <Ic3kitten_> So easy
[04:23] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777: The most time consuming aspect would be moving all the different apps to what ever menu trees you made, and for that matter, knowing where to place them, since I want it to be exactly like gnome 2, not because that particular layout is best, but because the uniformity makes finding things easier
[04:23] <Ari-Yang> lets say I put a .bin file in /lib/firmware/radeon to get kernel patches to work. I can always remove it when I'm done testing and it won't cause any harm, yes?
[04:23] <wilee-nilee> evilbug, Does not mean it is not problematic we have to somewhat guess and knock out variables.
[04:24] <varunendra> Ic3kitten_, so did the download start ?
[04:24] <yown> I mean if others have the same layout, I can find online where stuff is put
[04:24] <Ic3kitten_> Moments my friends, I will have answers in a few minutes
[04:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: xubuntu uses alacarte to build menus, a gnome menu and xfce menu should look 99% the same
[04:25] <redmaw> holstein, figured out what my problem was. Turns out when sent my laptop in for repair (gpu died) HP downgraded my screen free of charge.
[04:25] <varunendra> Ic3kitten_, a torrent download is guaranteed to be full and intact when the client shows it as "Finished". It is usually faster download too. :)
[04:25] <holstein> redmaw: excellent.. so you have no problem then :)
[04:25] <evilbug> wilee-nilee: i'll check the md5 and try another drive.
[04:25] <Ic3kitten_> It was
[04:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: I'm supposing you like how the gnome2 menu grouped things by category, no?
[04:25] <redmaw> not with linux at least. dealing with HP is going to suck.
[04:25] <wilee-nilee> evilbug, That makes sense, good luck. ;)
[04:26] <evilbug> wilee-nilee: thank you.
[04:26] <wilee-nilee> no problem.
[04:27] <domino14> hi, i disabled my root account with passwd -dl root
[04:27] <Ic3kitten_> Im converting the torrent at the moment
[04:27] <domino14> can i re-enable it? i can't do anything anymore
[04:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> domino14: root is disabled by default on ubuntu
[04:27] <wheatthin> domino14, even using sudo?
[04:28] <domino14> i can't use sudo because it says i'm not in the sudoers file
[04:28] <domino14> right, i set up a vm on digital ocean
[04:28] <wheatthin> domino14, hmm default user should be sudo
[04:28] <domino14> and i was trying to set it up with a new user, etc
[04:28] <domino14> i made a new user
[04:28] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777: I like having 3 main menu trees rather then 1, because it makes it less work accessing the particular menues, and there is plenty of screen real-estate for 3 menus instead of 1
[04:28] <domino14> so maybe it didnt add it to sudoers
[04:28] <wheatthin> and then deleted the older one?
[04:28] <that1guy> I was wondering if there was any way I could "stretch" my display area. I'm outputting HMDI to an LCD tv, and there's a good 1/2 in black gap boarder around my display.
[04:28] <domino14> wheatthin: no, the only user on the digital ocean vm was "root"
[04:28] <wheatthin> so login as the original one and put yourself in sudoers
[04:29] <wheatthin> hmm
[04:29] <varunendra> Ic3kitten_, just for sake of knowledge, you don't actually 'convert' a torrent. It is just an information file that tells the client what to download and from where.
[04:29] <domino14> i can't log in as root anymore because i did passwd -dl root
[04:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: yeah, I getcha, but I only managed two atm :P
[04:29] <holstein> domino14: the recovery console has a root shell you can work from
[04:29] <holstein> !root > domino14
[04:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> domino14: you shouldn't login as root unless you know *exactly* what you are doing, and no offense but this seems to not be the case here.
[04:30] <domino14> okay
[04:30] <Ic3kitten_> Ah, the technicalities right?
[04:30] <domino14> it gave me a default root password
[04:30] <domino14> what am i supposed to log in as?
[04:30] <ntzrmtthihu777> if you're using ubuntu it did not.
[04:30] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777: Don't you manually have to assign each program to a menu location if I were to manually set up xfce like gnome 2?
[04:31] <holstein> domino14: what gave you a default root password?
[04:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> in ubuntu ther *is* *no* *root* *password* *by* *default*
[04:31] <Ic3kitten_> I appreciate all your time and effort my friends, Thank you
[04:31] <domino14> god damn it
[04:31] <holstein> !language | domino14
[04:31] <TheLordOfTime> !root | domino14
[04:31] <TheLordOfTime> just an FYI there.
[04:31] <domino14> 1) I made a new VM on Digital Ocean
[04:31] <domino14> 2) It sent me an email with a *root* password
[04:31] <holstein> domino14: if you have a root password, you likely installed something other than ubuntu.. a derivitive
[04:31] <varunendra> Ic3kitten_, we enjoy it here :)
[04:32] <holstein> domino14: then, you need to contact digital ocean for support
[04:32] <domino14> it was ubuntu 13.04. they probably just added a root password to it
[04:32] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: nah, it comes with a default applications menu in the upper left corner, and you can add the places menu quite simply
[04:32] <holstein> domino14: that is a customized ubuntu from them
[04:32] <Ic3kitten_> I can see that ;)
[04:32] <holstein> domino14: there should be a recvery console, assuming you are able to access that
[04:32] <holstein> domino14: if not, you will need to get them to "fix" the account for you.. since it is *not* stock ubuntu
[04:33] <domino14> yes; i got them to send me a new root password. thanks
[04:33] <that1guy> I was wondering if there was any way I could "stretch" my display area. I'm outputting HDMI to an LCD tv, and there's a good 1/2 in black gap boarder around my display.
[04:33] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777: But if I were to add a places and system menu, I would have to manually move everything over to those two to make it like gnome 2? Or is there a "gnome 2" layout option that does it for you? I don't see any other alternatives and you arent naming any
[04:33] <ntzrmtthihu777> !patience | that1guy
[04:34] <domino14> !nanny
[04:34] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: no. adding places menu to the bar includes all your gtk-bookmarks and your default user dirs (music, pictures, etc)
[04:34] <that1guy> If it helps, I switch resolutions, and the gap is still there. ATI radeon 7310. proprietary drivers.
[04:34] <JesseH> Is anyone else having issues logging in to login.ubuntu.com?
[04:35] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777: And what about system?
[04:35] <pfifo> !xrandr | that1guy
[04:35] <pfifo> that1guy: it means X resize and rotate, i think youll benefit from the resize part
[04:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: on that matter I know not. the applications menu has a system section containing the normal stuffs
[04:38] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777: So that could be shifted over whole piece to be next to places like in gnome 2?
[04:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: maybe, idk. personally 2 menus is fine for me, but I'm sure you could do it with a second applications menu with a custom menu file
[04:39] <aringan> I am running an image of ubuntu 12.04 for the first time. and I don't know the root password. when I am trying to use sudo it wants the password !
[04:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: in fact, for your benefit I'll see abou it
[04:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> aringan: there is no root password. !root | aringan
[04:40] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777: What do you mean by custom menu file? Why a second applications menu? Couldn't the systems menu just be pulled out of applications and put next to places?
[04:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: like I said, Idk. never felt the need to do so.
[04:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> !root | aringan
[04:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> aringan: now, if you give it your *user* password while using sudo (assuming an administrative accoung) this will fill your needs
[04:44] <aringan> the problem is it wants the password
[04:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> aringan: give it the password you set to your account on installing it.
[04:44] <aringan> I typed sudo apt-get install vim
[04:44] <bazhang> aringan, the actual password will NOT show up as stars, or at all
[04:45] <aringan> it is an image
[04:45] <aringan> I didn't make any passwords
[04:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> aringan: so you're on a live cd?\
[04:45] <aringan> it's vm
[04:45] <aringan> virtual machin
[04:45] <pfifo> aringan: try leaving it blank
[04:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> then why are you installing vim on a live session? you realize it will just vanish on reboot, correct?
[04:45] <aringan> I did
[04:46] <aringan> it won't work
[04:46] <pfifo> aringan: try the username
[04:47] <aringan> the username is user
[04:47] <aringan> and it's not working
[04:47] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777:  So any luck?
[04:48] <pfifo> aringan: where did you get this image?
[04:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: I have a 3rd menu for system now, seeing about editing it
[04:48] <holstein> aringan: who made the image? you'll need to ask them for the password you are indtended to use
[04:48] <holstein> intentded*
[04:49] <zhangll> Excuse,I want to find a software like "visualsvn server"  on ubuntu ,is anyone know?
[04:49] <aringan> I just downloaded
[04:49] <holstein> zhangll: what task are you wanting to do?
[04:49] <holstein> aringan: sure.. from where?
[04:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> zhangll: apt-cache show <software> should help you
[04:50] <aringan> ohh yeah
[04:50] <aringan> I got it
[04:50] <aringan> http://www.trendsigma.net/vmware/ubuntu1204.html
[04:50] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777: What do you mean editing it? I thought you said it was already filled with all the gnome 2 menu content, so can't you simply move it from applications?
[04:50] <zhangll> I want to manager the svn Repositories in ubuntu on GUI,not console
[04:51] <aringan> thansk
[04:51] <aringan> thanks
[04:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: the *applications* menu does, but you want something custom, so it must be *customized*
[04:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> one thing you must learn, if default is not good enough you better be ready to do some work yourself.
[04:51] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777: Is there a system sub menu within applications that is setup like systems is setup in gnome 2?
[04:52] <pfifo> aringan: yeah, the password is 'password' :)
[04:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: as I've stated, yes, there is a system submenu within the applications menu
[04:52] <varunendra> aringan, what is the username? You can reset the pasword from "Recovery mode".
[04:52] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777: Can't you simply move it out of applications and onto the bar directly?
[04:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> varunendra: live cd, not possible here.
[04:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: as I've stated before, no.
[04:53] <varunendra> ntzrmtthihu777, I think they said "vm image"??
[04:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: a little listening will save you a *lot* of asking.
[04:53] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777: So it requires manually deleting systems in application and manually building a new systems menu on the bar, 1 program at a time?
[04:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: not one at a time, you could copy over the default menu file and mod it pretty easily. (its just an xml file)
[04:55] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777: Have you tried Mate? Do you know how it compares to xfce?
[04:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: yes, I have tried mate in lite of the travesty of unity, but there are far too many duplicate programs, lol. I can't recall them all, but basically almost every default ubuntu program has a mate spin, requireing you to uninstall the defaults or the spins, its a huge pita
[04:57] <holstein> yown: xfce support is ongoing.. mate is supported now, but for how much longer?
[04:58] <bazhang> !info mate
[04:58] <yown> holstein: What makes you think Mate support will stop?
[04:58] <bazhang> holstein, it is?
[04:58] <bazhang> !info cinnamon
[04:58] <bazhang> holstein, perhaps you mean cinnamon
[04:59] <holstein> yown: if no one can adopt it
[04:59] <holstein> bazhang: nah.. i knew we had gotten cinammon.. but AFAIK, we cant have mate.. but, maybe that changes
[04:59] <yown> holstein: Adopt it to what? It IS compatible with Ubuntu , so doesn't need adopting
[05:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: he means adopt it to maintain it, I think.
[05:00] <yown> Well that is what I read online, and what I was recently told by someone in the mate channel
[05:00] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777: I don't understand "adopt it to maintain it"
[05:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: don't get me wrong, mate is alright, but honestly you'd be better off with something like mint+mate
[05:00] <holstein> yown: no doubt you *can* use mate in ubuntu, and are welcome to.. but i wouldnt expect an official spin anytime soon, and im not sure if it will make it in the repos or not
[05:01] <holstein> yown: if you are asking if mate is "good", or "better" than xfce, thats really a matter of opinion.. xfce is in the default repos, and supported.. mate is not.. that doest mean you cant use mate though
[05:01] <yown> holstein: I think you can add its PPA to update mate? I was told in Mate channel that Mate is equally compatible with Mint and Ubuntu
[05:02] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: what is your current *buntu you want to install mate onto?
[05:02] <holstein> yown: sure.. but its not supported here, or by ubuntu.. so you are on your own with it
[05:02] <holstein> yown: again, you *can* use mate with ubuntu, and should, if thats what you like.. but its not supported officially
[05:02] <yown> holstein: Supported by whom? I think there are people who are working on mate who support it.
[05:03] <bazhang> yown, supported here
[05:03] <holstein> yown: here.. in this, or any official ubuntu support venue
[05:03] <bazhang> yown, if it screws up, contact the PPA maintainer, NOT here
[05:03] <yown> Well wouldn't issues of DE problems be pretty independent of other issues anyway?
[05:04] <yown> Got it
[05:07] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777: Duplicate programs? Forcing uninstalls? I don't follow, perhaps you can give me a example?
[05:08] <holstein> yown: the gtk issues that likely keep mate from being easily inserted could cause issues
[05:08] <holstein> yown: try it.. its a ppa.. you can purge it
[05:11] <Noskcaj> can someone explain http://paste.ubuntu.com/5812964/
[05:12] <holstein> Noskcaj: is that causing breakage?
[05:12] <pfifo> !details | Noskcaj
[05:12] <yown> If I wanted to have the latest version of ubuntu with xfce or mate, and my current version is a ancient 11.10, is it better to install new? But how do I easily move all my data over? Should I install over? Should I install fresh?(how do I easily move) should I do it in a series of upgrades?
[05:12] <bazhang> !eolupgrades | yown
[05:13] <Noskcaj> When i run testdrive-gtk the bug appears. It's in a developement branch, but the developers don't do much maintenance anymore, so i need to find what is going wrong
[05:13] <holstein> yown: you should have your data backed up anyway, since *all* hard drives fail .. i would just do a fresh install of 13.04 or 12.04
[05:13] <holstein> Noskcaj: you are running something from a development PPA?
[05:14] <Noskcaj> holstein, bzr branch
[05:15] <holstein> Noskcaj: i would ask the maintainers. unfortunately, they would be the ones reponsible, since its not an ubuntu package yet
[05:15] <yown> holstein: why 12.4?
[05:15] <holstein> Noskcaj: whats the behavior? is it not working?
[05:15] <holstein> yown: 12.04.. and 12.04 is what i suggested because it is the latest long term support
[05:15] <holstein> !12.04 > yown
[05:15] <Noskcaj> holstein, issue is, the maintainers (roaxsoax and kirland) have got other stuff to do, so i'm trying to get kylin into testdrive
[05:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: you should, first off, always have a separate /home partition. this makes moving data between versions and distros
[05:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> *easier
[05:16] <holstein> Noskcaj: what is kylin?
[05:16] <Noskcaj> holstein, UbuntuKYLIN
[05:16] <bazhang> Noskcaj, they should have a support channel
[05:16] <Gilligan94> Hiya guys, how is everyone?
[05:17] <bazhang> !ask | Gilligan94
[05:17] <Gilligan94> I was wondering if anyone knew where I should go for Bumblebee support
[05:17] <unsecur3d> Ok guys, i got ubuntu 13 trying to connect on a share on a win server 2003, win7 and winxp and it wont connect, getting connection timed out
[05:17] <Gilligan94> bazhang: jeez, I was just being polite
[05:17] <orangerobot> what's the easiest way to add a second monitor to my ubuntu setup? i have two vga input sockets but apparently only one is used (i think most DELL pcs are like that). is there a way to make the other vga socket usable, or i should try a different approach?
[05:17] <bazhang> holstein, its the Mainland Chinese branch of Ubuntu
[05:17] <unsecur3d> even if i try it with smbclient it wont connect
[05:18] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: as in the default ubuntu text editor is gedit, mate has its own thing. same thing with many other default ubuntu programs
[05:18] <holstein> bazhang: i found a wiki page.. but no support links
[05:18] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777: And when would that force someone to uninstall something? And where is the duplication involved?
[05:19] <holstein> yown: with mate.. there could be issues
[05:19] <yown> an example please
[05:19] <yown> of one of these issues
[05:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: because gedit and the mate version are almost exactly the same, barring name differences, so why have both on the same system? it would be like having a host of programs installed twice, wasting twice the spatce.
[05:20] <yown> So 13.4 doesn't have long term support, but its just as stable, right?  Long term support only matter if you aren't going to upgrade, and there is usually no reason not to upgrade, right?
[05:20] <holstein> yown: i would read the links.. the long term support is suppported longer
[05:20] <bazhang> Noskcaj,  #ubuntukylin-devel
[05:21] <Noskcaj> thanks bazhang
[05:22] <yown> holstein: Short term support, has long enough support that it covers till the next upgrade comes out though, right?
[05:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: yeah, lts is supported 3 years, as opposed to 1.5 for non lts releases. 12.04, in fact, has 5 year support.
[05:23] <bazhang> ntzrmtthihu777, five years
[05:23] <yown> Right, so why worry about having long term support if you are going to keep upgrading as new comes out anyway?
[05:23] <bazhang> ntzrmtthihu777, and NINE months for non lts
[05:23] <holstein> yown: its a choice.. the long term suppport is supported longer, and the new ones are newer
[05:23] <ntzrmtthihu777> bazhang: is that not what I said? < ntzrmtthihu> | yown: yeah, lts is supported 3 years, as opposed to 1.5 for non lts releases. 12.04, in fact, has 5 year support.
[05:23] <ntzrmtthihu777> !lts > ntzrmtthihu777
[05:23] <holstein> yown: dont over think it.. just pick one and try it.. *anything* will be more supported and newer than what you have
[05:23] <OerHeks> how about 9 months for 13.04 ?
[05:23] <pfifo> 1.5 years = 18 months
[05:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> I'm pretty sure its 1.5years for non-lts...
[05:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> but, I could be mistaken.
[05:24] <bazhang> ntzrmtthihu777, 13.04 has nine months. 12.04 has 5 years for all versions. why the mention of 3 years / 1.5 years at all
[05:24] <holstein> !13.04
[05:24] <bazhang> ntzrmtthihu777, you are mistaken, yes
[05:24] <yown> If you keep upgrading, you will not lack support because even short term comes with more then enough support. So the question is, is there ever a reason to not upgrade? I mean most all the new versions are stable and reliable the moment they come out, right? (long or short term support)
[05:24] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseNotes#Support_lifespan_reduced
[05:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> bazhang: because non precise lts is by default 3 years.
[05:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> !lts
[05:25] <bazhang> ntzrmtthihu777, nine months, as I just said
[05:26] <yown> And upgrades come out every 2 years, which means 9 months is like almost twice as long as someone upgrading every time needs.
[05:26] <holstein> yown: they are just newer versions.. they are tested, and released... "stable" can also be a matter of opinion, or use case
[05:26] <pfifo> yown: I use LTS for development, I like that it doesnt get updated too often, I dont have to incorprate ubuntu's changes into my own stuff nearly as often. (reason not to upgrade)
[05:26] <OerHeks> "upgrades" come out every 6 months *
[05:26] <holstein> yown: as i said, either is going to be "better" for you than what you have, since you are in an EOL distro
[05:26] <bazhang> yeah thats confusing
[05:26] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: and quite frankly I've never heard a good update story, all end in a reinstall, so you should likely stick with something for a good while
[05:27] <bazhang> ntzrmtthihu777, thats simply not correct.  all do NOT end in a reinstall
[05:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> bazhang: it *is* correct, as I was speaking from *my* experience.
[05:28] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777:  Hmmm? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades suggests that its not nearly as unreliable
[05:28] <bazhang> ntzrmtthihu777, dont advise that here
[05:28] <varunendra> bazhang, not all, but most I've seen do.
[05:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> *I* Have never geard a good update story, not "it never works"
[05:28] <pfifo> varunendra: people dont hop on the channel to say their upgrade went smoothly
[05:28] <yown> What happens on failure to upgrade?
[05:29] <yown> Is it usually easy to revert back?
[05:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: likely a reinstall, as I stated. I've found that a separate /home, and a manual editing of fstab, to be the most reliable method.
[05:31] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777: Are you saying that a failed upgrade can result in a FBAR OS?
[05:31] <varunendra> pfifo, bazhang once you've installed something proprietary, or from PPAs, a distribution upgrade is most *probably* going to break. I don't see anything wrong about warning people in advance about that.
[05:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: its happened to me before, going from 12.04 to .10
[05:32] <holstein> yown: you should have backups before doing either since normal use can result in a machine that is broken
[05:33] <RustyShackleford> I'm running an ubuntu 13.04 live usb disk on my laptop
[05:33] <RustyShackleford> touchpad scrolling is not working
[05:33] <ntzrmtthihu777> !details | RustyShackleford
[05:33] <RustyShackleford> it's a dell inspiron 13z
[05:34] <RustyShackleford> uh, what other details would you like?
[05:35] <RustyShackleford> is there some package I need to install to make this work?
[05:35] <holstein> RustyShackleford: can you not enable it in the menu?
[05:35] <yown> holstein: How can I check if I have home on a separate partition or not? If I don't have home on a separate partition, and install ubuntu on a new drive, how can I separate home from the old OS?/How can I move home onto a new partition if it isn't already?
[05:35] <holstein> RustyShackleford: could be the device is not suppported
[05:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> RustyShackleford: what version of ubuntu? xubuntu/lu/etc?
[05:35] <RustyShackleford> ntzrmtthihu777, plain ubuntu
[05:35] <holstein> yown: i dont have a seperate /home.. i just manually keep up with my data..
[05:35] <Morph4me> RUSTY : aka Billgates From the old windows 1 yahoo room ?
[05:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: if you don't know you likely don't have it. its a deliberate choice during installation that you would remember?
[05:36] <RustyShackleford> holstein, yeah in System Settings -> Mouse & touchpad, there are only entries for primary mouse button, double click, and pointer speed
[05:36] <holstein> yown: think of it this way.. you hit the power button and nothing happens.. what do you need? ...that will be a good preperation for *anything* that might happen during an install or migration or whatever
[05:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> RustyShackleford: search your unity dash for touchpad and try there :P
[05:36] <RustyShackleford> it doesn't seem to recognize it as a track pad
[05:36] <yown> ntzrmtthihu777: It was some time ago, and I no longer remember what I chose
[05:36] <holstein> yown: doesnt matter. just back up your data manually
[05:37] <yown> holstein: I do not understand what you are talking about
[05:37] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: yeah, what he said. this time make it separate, k? makes for a world of easy later down the line :P
[05:37] <holstein> yown: whatever data you need. just back it up
[05:37] <holstein> yown: that hard drive will fail.. and you will need to have duplicates of whatever you would like to have
[05:38] <varunendra> holstein, "will" ?? sounds scary :D
[05:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> varunendra: all things wear out eventually. law of the universe.
[05:38] <holstein> varunendra: scary? or true?.. either way... all drives fail
[05:39] <yown> holstein: Well HDD rarely just fail without any kind of warning. Anyway fine, but how do I tell if my home is on a separate partition or not, and if it isn't, how do I make it so
[05:39] <pfifo> yown: pastebin the output of `mount && cat /etc/fstab`
[05:39] <varunendra> yeah, but given the confusing state yown is in, it may sound like the installation/upgrade is going to do that... lol
[05:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: in-install you cant generally do it, but on a new install you can do it with the installer's partitioner
[05:40] <holstein> yown: it dosnt matter if it is or not, if you dont unerstand how to use it.. you just need to backup what you want to keep..
[05:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> channel: yeah, I know you can do it, but its a bit of a pita, and since he's on an eol release anyways no point in modding it :P
[05:41] <yown> holstein: The data I want to keep is all over the place, like my notes in tomboy, my bookmarks in firefox, etc etc, difficult to find and I might forget something
[05:41] <pfifo> yown: all of that is in your home folder
[05:42] <holstein> yown: sure.. but it will be lost when that hard drive fails, so go ahead and plan for that happening now, and it will help you with what you are doing as well
[05:42] <varunendra> yown, take a look at clonezilla. It will create a bcakup image of your entire installation. Save it to an external drive.
[05:42] <holstein> yown: your /home folder is what ntzrmtthihu777 is saying to keep on a seperate patition, to make it easier to backup and upgrade
[05:42] <yown> pfifo: So can't I just copy/paste my home folder onto a new partition and make that a separate home on a new partition?
[05:43] <On3453v3n> hello, how to resize a partition without using gparted ?
[05:43] <pfifo> yown: thats exactly what were trying to get you todo!
[05:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> yown: yeah, but you would need an intermediar device.
[05:43] <holstein> On3453v3n: you cant run a live CD? or you have no GUI? whats the restriction from gparted?
[05:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> On3453v3n: likely, but it would likely have to use a command :p
[05:44] <pfifo> On3453v3n: gparted is the frontend for the parted program
[05:44] <yown> pfifo: I was never arguing that I shouldn't have home on a separate partition...
[05:44] <varunendra> yown, no data is considered safe if it resides on the same physical media. You have to copy it to a separate drive (preferably external) to be extra sure.
[05:44] <On3453v3n> because I want to do as a man
[05:44] <RustyShackleford> i found a few forum posts about my issue, but no solutions
[05:45] <Gilligan94> I cant get bumblebee to work, can anyone help? are there alternatives?
[05:45] <holstein> On3453v3n: manual? "as a man" ?
[05:45] <RustyShackleford> maybe I'll keep windows on this laptop
[05:45] <On3453v3n> holstein, yes..
[05:45] <pfifo> On3453v3n: lookinto 'parted' and 'resize2fs' and even 'fdisk'
[05:45] <holstein> On3453v3n: i dont know what that means..
[05:45] <wilee-nilee> !fdisk
[05:45] <On3453v3n> holstein, do it in a terminal.
[05:46] <holstein> On3453v3n: so, you have no gui then? can you run a live CD?
[05:46] <Gilligan94> On3453v3n: just use fdisk or one of it's variants
[05:47] <On3453v3n> holstein, yes i have a gui but i wath to know wot it is but whit comands
[05:47] <Gilligan94> On3453v3n: Go look up fdisk
[05:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> On3453v3n: google is your friend here :p
[05:47] <holstein> On3453v3n: i would use gparted from a live CD, or just search around online for guides about command line only
[05:48] <yown> holstein: http://pastebin.com/HtQXErUH
[05:48] <yown> duckduckgo.com is your friend
[05:48] <Gilligan94> So does anyone know where I might find Bumblebee support?
[05:48] <On3453v3n> holstein, pfifo ok tanks
[05:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> Gilligan94: there is a ppa for it, but I know it not atm
[05:48] <yown> google is the neighbour that pries into all your business
[05:48] <holstein> Gilligan94: the bumblebee ppa you likely added should list some contacts
[05:49] <pfifo> yown for some reason you put what should have been on /home on /home/yown/data
[05:49] <Gilligan94> holstein: where can I find this contacs list?
[05:49] <Gilligan94> yown: duckduckgo is icky
[05:49] <yown> pfifo: So is home on a separate partition or not?
[05:50] <pfifo> yown: no it is not
[05:50] <yown> I disagree gill, it is google that is icky
[05:50] <holstein> Gilligan94: the bumblebee ppa is not suppoted here, but here is the link from the ppa site https://launchpad.net/~bumblebee
[05:50] <Gilligan94> holstein: thanks
[05:51] <yown> So to get home onto a separate partition, is it more complex then simply making a new partition, then copy/pasting it over?
[05:52] <Gilligan94> !pastebin
[05:52] <pfifo> yown: no it isnt, thats pretty much all that needs to be done
[05:53] <yown> pfifo: Which works for a new install, but what of a existing install, how do you tell it to look to the new partition for its "home"?
[05:53] <pfifo> yown: afterwards, edit your fstab to mount the partiton to /home during boot
[05:54] <raven> mplayer: geometry and screensize set to 320x240 but
[05:54] <pfifo> yown: thats the fstab part i just mentioned
[05:54] <raven> mplayer: geometry and screensize set to 320x240 but i have full size 800x600 video blown up in a 320x240 window - whats going wrong here?
[05:55] <pfifo> raven: you need to add -zoom to the command i believe
[05:55] <theWolf> anyone want to point me in the right direction? I have a 9600 8bit No Parity Printer that I would like Kubuntu to find this serial port connected printer and use as a cups printer.. Many thanks in advance
[05:55] <On3453v3n> holstein, it is whit resize2fs thank u
[05:56] <raven> pfifo, oh ok what does the geometry option?
[05:56] <bazhang> theWolf, check the db at linuxprinting.org
[05:56] <theWolf> Awesome thanks
[05:56] <theWolf> I really appreciate it...
[05:57] <pfifo> raven: that sets the window size
[05:59] <raven> pfifo, i just wonder that i do not have the issue on a very similar setup. do i really need anything like toom = 1:1? i think geometry must do that
[05:59] <ntzrmtthihu777> heh, I have a nice imagebinit script I whipped up you can use
[06:00] <pfifo> raven: on your other setup see if you have a /etc/mplayer.conf or /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf  you likely are missing some default options on this setup
[06:00] <raven> pfifo, ok but what is the default ;) that would be something like zoom = 1:1 right?
[06:01] <pfifo> raven: no its just -zoom all by itself not -zoom=1:1
[06:01] <pfifo> raven: default is not to zoom in or out
[06:01] <ztsylvx>  ´¶¶¶¶¶´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´¶¶¶¶´´´´´
[06:02] <raven> pfifo, yes that i am wondering about because i never changed anything on theese configs and its a real similar setup. but ill look for a diff
[06:04] <austin> Helllo (im sorry but this is the last time) how to i get unetbootin installed ?
[06:04] <pfifo> good night all
[06:04] <austin> good night
[06:05] <yown> pfifo: fstab is the list of partitions automounted, right? Well how does that relate to ubuntu seeing a different "home" as the official one for the OS?
[06:06] <austin> yown: He just leftr
[06:06] <yown> Well, anyone that knows then
[06:09] <wilee-nilee> austin, it is in the repos
[06:09] <austin> wilee-nilee: repos ?
[06:10] <wilee-nilee> austin, ubuntu repositories
[06:10] <bazhang> !info unetbootin | austin
[06:10] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install unetbootin      <---------------austin
[06:10] <Kyan[> hi
[06:10] <austin> bazhang: Thanks
[06:10] <Kyan[> someone good with bash scripting?
[06:11] <bazhang> !repos | austin
[06:12] <BlueNexyUbuntu> hi all
[06:12] <raven> mplayer does zoom on one of two nearly similar systems
[06:14] <austin> bazhang: MANY THANKS TO YOU i have been trying all day to get a windows installer on my flash drive :)
[06:14] <yown> Am I correct that  Fstab is the list of partitions automounted? But you also use it to assign where the OS looks for "home" ?
[06:14] <bazhang> !fstab | yown have a read
[06:15] <yown> bazhang: I don't see anything there about assigning which "home" the OS recognizes as official home
[06:16] <bazhang> yown, what do you mean by "official" home
[06:17] <BlueNeXuS> Does anyone know if there is a way to get the Compiz Cube back .   i noticed in ubuntu 13.04 that is is no longer available in compiz
[06:17] <bazhang> BlueNeXuS, using ccsm?
[06:17] <yown> bazhang:  All the settings etc that are stored on home, the OS needs to know where to look to find them to use them
[06:18] <wilee-nilee> austin, I use the usb loader for W7 and W8 ISO's works fine, I have never gotten unetbootin to work, although others have. http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/
[06:18] <BlueNeXuS> yes
[06:18] <wilee-nilee> this*
[06:18] <zykotick9> yown: home is determined for each user, in the user account.  "cat /etc/passwd"
[06:18] <austin> wilee-nilee: unetbootin is working just fine
[06:18] <wilee-nilee> austin, Cool. ;)
[06:19] <austin> wilee-nilee: i can fillialy get my new HDD to work :)
[06:19] <wilee-nilee> good
[06:22] <yown> zykotick9: So simply edit a line in  this "cat /etc/passwd" file to change official home location?
[06:24] <zykotick9> yown: that probably not the "best" way, but it should work.
[06:24] <yown> zykotick9: Then what is the best way?
[06:25] <zykotick9> yown: i'd guess there is some way to modify it with a tool, like adduser or something... but if it was me - i'd just edit /etc/passwd
[06:28] <yown> Well I wouldn't know how to edit it though.
[06:28] <yown> should I name the new home partition, as home? or does that matter?
[06:28] <jokerdino> hello. Can I verify if gksu is installed by default on 13.04?
[06:29] <bazhang> !info gksu | jokerdino
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> morning to all
[06:29] <yown> lotus, are you a inquirer, or helper?
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> yown: both :p
[06:30] <varunendra> yown, zykotick9 that file (/etc/passwd) is a logical description of properties and locations pertaining to different users, not 'physical' location of where those settings are stored or read from
[06:30] <jokerdino> bazhang: optional meaning it is not installed by default? i believe it is available in live media (just like gparted). I just want to confirm whether or not it gets removed while ubuntu is installed.
[06:30] <yown> Know anything about moving home from same partition as OS to a new one? I think I got most of it, but I am still slightly unclear on it all
[06:31] <varunendra> yown, all you need is to edit the line in /etc/fstab file. That's all.
[06:31] <hays> is there a command to clean out old kernels
[06:32] <varunendra> yown, it doesn't matter what is the name or 'label' of the partition that you are intending to mount as /home. Once mounted, it will be recognised as '/home' by the OS
[06:32] <hays> grub has like 10 kernels
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> hays: i use ubuntu-tweak to cleanout all kind of stuff in system
[06:33] <varunendra> hays, you can manually remove (purge) the older ones that you don't want (linux-image and headers). You can use synaptic or apt-get command to do that.
[06:35] <hays> varunendra: what package do you remove/purge?
[06:35] <hays> linux-headers?  linux-image?
[06:35] <varunendra> "linux-image...." and "linux-headers..." . Not the generic ones, only the older version numbers.
[06:36] <hays> hmm ok.. lets see how do I get a list of what is installed?  dpkg ?
[06:36] <varunendra> To list all the current ones : dpkg --get-selections | egrep 'linux-image|linux-headers'
[06:36] <yown> zykotick9: So how can I know what I need to change in etc/fstab?
[06:36] <varunendra> just posted that :D ^^
[06:36] <yown> I mean varunendra
[06:37] <varunendra> yown, your current line in /etc/fstab contains a line about /home/data right?
[06:37] <yown> yes
[06:39] <yown> and?
[06:39] <varunendra> so if you just delete the last "/data" part, it will become the mount point for /home. (the same partition). Make sure you have copied everything that appears in your Home (including the hidden file/folders) into that partition.
[06:40] <varunendra> oh, wait.. yown
[06:40] <varunendra> please show me the contents of your /etc/fstab again, yown
[06:40] <yown> http://pastebin.com/HtQXErUH
[06:41] <yown> If home is on a new partition, shouldn't the new partitions address be put into that fstab file?
[06:42] <varunendra> yown, you have to copy everything from the current /home to that partition (that you are currently accessing from the /data folder in your Home).
[06:43] <varunendra> yes, if it is going to be a new partition, the address should be changed to reflect it.
[06:44] <varunendra> yown, what is your plan about physical location of partitions? Do you wish to keep the /data one as it is and a separate home for everything else?
[06:47] <raven> mplayer does zoom on one of two nearly similar systems (800x600 video in 320x240 window) - any idea?
[06:47] <Ari-Yang> raven join #mplayer
[06:48] <Ari-Yang> raven, if you specifically have mplayer2 then join #mplayer2
[06:48] <gmx66> Hi to all
[06:48] <aeon-ltd> there's a mplayer2?
[06:49] <Ari-Yang> aeon-ltd, yes, a fork of mplayer, I have mpv, which is an active (devs) fork of mplayer2 which I find to be the best out of the first 2
[06:56] <raven> mplayer does zoom on one of two nearly similar systems (800x600 video in 320x240 window) - any idea?
[07:00] <yown> heh, disconnected from IRC without knowing it
[07:01] <raven> mplayer does zoom on one of two nearly similar systems (800x600 video in 320x240 window) - any idea?
[07:01] <Ari-Yang> join #mplayer .....
[07:01] <yown> varunendra: I knew that already. I was wondering about assigning it as official home. Though about that step, do make a folder called home in the new partition and put the home data in there?
[07:01] <Ari-Yang> raven, perhaps check your mplayer .config file?
[07:02] <raven> Ari-Yang, its exactly the same on both systems
[07:02] <yown> raven: you mean aspect ratio? there is menu options to change that
[07:03] <Ari-Yang> raven, I'm going afk, good luck.
[07:03] <raven> yown, no i set geometry and screensize to 320x240 but in there is a video zoomed
[07:04] <varunendra> yown, no. /home is an inherent part of all unix-based operating systems' filesystems. It doesn't have to be created separately. Think of it a just a name that the OS itself will create anyway. The mountpoint (optional) is just a physical location that will be used to put or read stuff that it has to contain.
[07:06] <varunendra> Soru, /home is just a logical location. The partition you will be mounting in it will be its physical location (that does not necessarily have to be a physical location, it's optional)
[07:06] <varunendra> * yown
[07:08] <varunendra> yown, do you think I understood your question correctly? or answered what you wanted to clear ? :P
[07:08] <yown> varunendra: So how do I properly copy the files over then?
[07:08] <yown> I think so, basically, no folder called "home" is necessary
[07:08] <yown> but I could do it with a home folder if i wanted to?
[07:09] <varunendra> yown, I'm a paranoid about these things, so I'd use a live session to do the copy-paste :)
[07:09] <varunendra> Make sure you have enabled "view hidden files" when you do that.
[07:10] <varunendra> yown, it is also recommended to use UUID instead of generic names like /dev/sda2
[07:10] <yown> varunendra: Live session means?
[07:10] <varunendra> Ubuntu running from a live cd/usb.
[07:11] <varunendra> Although that shouldn't be needed in any linux based os, but like I said - I'm paranoid ;)
[07:12] <yown> varunendra: If  "home" isn't a folder in a directory address, why does it list as such in the fstab file?
[07:13] <varunendra> By default it is not mentioned in fstab. Only when you create it separately.
[07:15] <yown> varunendra: But I need to edit fstab to make it my new official home address, but what do I need to edit into it to do so? and do I use a directory address that has home in it, even if the data isn't in a folder called home?
[07:18] <varunendra> yown, you don't need anything be already named as "home". It is the mount point name that it will be recognised by, once mounted. It can be any partition or block device.
[07:18] <blib> how can I set username+password + create account using a one liner bash - (completely automatically please)
[07:18] <varunendra> yown, I'm having difficulty in understanding this part of your question - "do I use a directory address that has home in it, even if the data isn't in a folder called home?"
[07:19] <varunendra> the second part, yown
[07:20] <yown> varunendra: And you have similarly confused/lost me on a number of things you have said. How about we go back to my previous question. What do I edit to what in fstab to change homes location?
[07:20] <varunendra> yown, I was feeling that :P
[07:20] <varunendra> :) let's have an example..
[07:21] <aeon-ltd> blib: you mean to store as a script? because that script would be absolutely useless
[07:22] <blib> aeon-ltd: I'm trying to automate the creation of my ubuntu VM. I would like to code up a username and password into it.
[07:22] <varunendra> yown, if you edit the current line in /etc/fstab (/dev/sda2...) to remove the "/yown/data" part, it will become the new 'official' /home for your OS. But you will have to manually copy everything from your current /home, into it.
[07:23] <varunendra> yown, the edited line in this case will become : "/dev/sda2  /home  ext4 defaults 0 0"
[07:23] <varunendra> yown, are we clear on this so far..??
[07:25] <mordonez> Hi guys, I have a chrome pixel running ubuntu
[07:25] <mordonez> when I installed debian using this giude
[07:25] <mordonez> http://blog.brocktice.com/2013/03/09/running-debian-wheezy-7-0-on-the-chromebook-pixel/
[07:25] <mordonez> the resolution was ok
[07:25] <mordonez> using the same xorg.conf I can't get it working well in UBuntu
[07:25] <mordonez> any ideas?
[07:26] <mordonez> this is the xorg log
[07:26] <mordonez> http://pastebin.com/iSvaaNbd
[07:27] <yown> varunendra: Well I don't know where dev/sda2 is. So for that part, I use the address shown in  gpart for that partition?
[07:27] <mordonez> and this is the xorg.conf
[07:27] <mordonez> http://pastebin.com/MzM1G6hu
[07:27] <wilee-nilee> mordonez, Which ubuntu release?
[07:28] <mordonez> 13.04
[07:28] <varunendra> yown, it is currently exactly the same thing as the "data" folder in your Home.
[07:28] <wilee-nilee> mordonez, Have you upgraded the kernel from stock?
[07:29] <mordonez> I am using the last version the guide has
[07:29] <mordonez> 3.10.0-rc1pixel+
[07:29] <varunendra> yown, but when using the live cd/usb, you will see it as a separate partition. In that case (live session), your "data" folder will appear empty (as it is just a location to mount the partition).
[07:29] <yown> varunendra: I don't know what you meant by that last thing you said. My last question was a yes/no question btw
[07:29] <wilee-nilee> mordonez, That is not a raring kernel, and not supported.
[07:30] <mordonez> if I use a raring kernel some thing do not work
[07:30] <wilee-nilee> mordonez, I understand just information is all. ;)
[07:30] <varunendra> yown, in your current setup, do you have any data in the "data" folder that appears in your Home?
[07:30] <varunendra> or is it empty?
[07:30] <mordonez> Do you know what can't be wrong?
[07:31] <mordonez> I would like to use the full resolution of chrome pixel
[07:32] <yown> varunendra:  I think I do, though I find navigating linux directories notably more confusing then windows
[07:32] <wilee-nilee> mordonez, Not really.
[07:32] <yown> so its hard for me to be absolutely sure
[07:32] <mordonez> Do you think it has something to do with xorg versions?
[07:32] <varunendra> YeahRight, because you are used to that kind of structure (windows) :D
[07:32] <mordonez> wheezy has older ones
[07:33] <varunendra> yown, just if you open the "data" folder in your Home (/home/yown/data), do you see some data in it?
[07:34] <yown> I said yes, I think so
[07:35] <ludwig___> hey guys , i have a folder on my desktop that appears to be locked, its icon has a little lock on it, I can't seem to delete it ...
[07:35] <aeon-ltd> mordonez: what are your options for changing res?
[07:36] <varunendra> okay, then understand that all the data that appears in it is actually on the partition /dev/sda2. Everything else in your Home (and /home of the os) is on the same partition on which Ubuntu itself is installed.
[07:36] <varunendra> yown, ^
[07:36] <aeon-ltd> mordonez: also to deal with the first warning you'll need true type fonts, i think they are part of ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[07:36] <varunendra> yown, am I keeping up or losing you ?? :P
[07:37] <yown> I am waiting for the answer to my question, I thought
[07:40] <varunendra> yown, yes and that's what I'm doing.. If you do the edit that I told above in fstab, everything in the current /home of the installation will become part of that partition. You will have to manually copy over the stuff. Now I guess you are confused about "how to recognise that /dev/sda2" ?
[07:40] <wilee-nilee> ludwig___, I would run gksudo nautilus and navigate to the desktop and delete it.
[07:40] <varunendra> that can be tricky sometimes when using live session.
[07:40] <yown> varunendra: How do I determine the address to put into fstab for to point it to the new partition with the "home" content?
[07:42] <varunendra> yown, it is /dev/sda2 in the current installation. But it can appear differently from the live session. That's why I recommended to use UUID instead of /dev/sda2.
[07:43] <yown> varunendra: How can you tell me what the address of a partition I haven't even made yet?
[07:43] <yown> is
[07:44] <varunendra> yown, I thought you were planning to use the same /dev/sda2 partition for home. I even asked you that..
[07:44] <yown> same as what?
[07:44] <abhinav12> Hi .. I got new laptop with windows 8 pre installed. I installed Ubuntu 13.04 also on it.. Problem is when I boot my system, It will directly boot to windows 8. I know that it is related to fixing boot loader.. My question is should I fix boot loader from windows or  ubuntu live CD
[07:45] <varunendra> you are currently using it as /home/yown/data, which won't make much sense if you also mount the /home separately. yown
[07:45] <yown> varunendra: I didn't understand that
[07:46] <wilee-nilee> abhinav12, I don't thin k it is as simple as fixing the bootloader, take a look at this help thread. THe UF is the best place for uefi, start a thread there if needed. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[07:46] <varunendra> yown, when you open your file browser (nautilus I guess), do you see separate hard disk drives/partitions in it?
[07:47] <varunendra> yown, you won't see the /dev/sda partition separately, because you are currently mounting it 'inside' your data folder.
[07:48] <yown> varunendra:  I asked you this before, do I go by the address listed for the partition in gformat?
[07:49] <varunendra> yown, short answer - yes.
[07:50] <wilee-nilee> !uefi | abhinav12 this wiki as well is helpful
[07:51] <yown> varunendra:  How do I use/determine the  UUID if I were to use that instead? And I want to use UUID because the other address can be different inside the regular OS verses outside like in a new install or a live?
[07:53] <varunendra> yown, use the "sudo blkid" command to get the UUIDs. And yes, the generic addresses (/dev/sdxx) can be different from different sessions (live session, different installation...)
[07:54] <varunendra> yown, instead of "/dev/sda<whatever>", you will have to use "UUID=<whatever it is for that partition>" in fstab. An example is just above the 2nd last line in your file
[07:55] <yown> varunendra: So I use UUID= the numbers within the parenthesis for the address to the partition in ftstab? Do I use the parenthesis themselves?
[07:56] <levo> error while starting google chrome: /usr/bin/google-chrome: error while loading shared libraries: libXss.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:56] <levo>  whatis 'the solution?
[07:56] <varunendra> yown, yes, use the numbers. And NOT the parenthesis or quotes. Follow the example in your fstab file.
[07:58] <yown> varunendra: so " UUID=1e8ea1f1-4065-414b-8724-c23425fe903e  "?
[07:58] <yown> for example
[07:58] <tannji> not to step on anyone's toes...  but here is an example guide for moving /home...   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[07:58] <varunendra> yown, yes. exactly :)
[07:59] <yown> thankyou tannji
[07:59] <tannji> = )
[07:59] <varunendra> tannji, that's helping, not stepping :)
[07:59] <tannji> = )
[08:00] <tannji> well...  you know how that can be taken...  just wanted to help
[08:01] <tannji> I will be doing the same in a few days to get rid of win7 and better use my ssd's...
[08:02] <varunendra> tannji, I'd recommend to create a set of backup DVDs before purging win7. After all, you have paid for that thing ;)
[08:03] <tannji> lol, I have an iso of win7 pro, office 10 ultimate... and a few extra keys laying around...  dont anticipate needing tho
[08:03] <yown> tannji: Though I am not clear on "Backup and edit your fstab to mount the new partition as /media/home"
[08:04] <raven> rc.local does not run - how to find out the error?
[08:04] <tannji> yown, read on... that wasnt the directions, but a summary of what you do...  the step by step will explain it
[08:05] <yown> tannji: Sure, but I also had trouble matching the summery with the more specific instructions
[08:05] <tannji> as far as naming it /media/home... that is the same as naming two version of one file #1 and #2....    you have a copy, and one is /media so you can tell the difference
[08:06] <yown> naming the partition media/home?
[08:07] <tannji> naming the back-up of /home, not the partition
[08:07] <yown> I thought the partition itself was /home , so I don't understand what we would be naming
[08:08] <tannji> lol
[08:08] <yown> You mean put the data in a directory of that name in the partition?
[08:08] <tannji> ok....  you make a partition...  and /home will be placed in it....  the name doesnt matter at this point
[08:09] <Kane_Hart> Hello, Just install ubuntu 12 server fresh no changes and ssh does not seem to be working remotly. Though I can ping to and out
[08:10] <yown> tannji: Copy the files using rsync like this "sudo rsync -aXS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /home/. /media/home/." ? but notice the "media/home" in the chain
[08:11] <tannji> ok....   at the beginning you partion your second drive....  done that?
[08:13] <tannji> yown,  have you already used gparted or fdisk to prepare a drive for your new /home?
[08:14] <yown> tannji: You mean making the partition it would go on? Why?
[08:15] <tannji> yown,  you have to prepare the spot you are putting it before you put it there
[08:15] <yown> tannji: I know that
[08:16] <tannji> yown,   ok, I misunderstood your question then
[08:16] <yown> tannji:  Of course I need to make the partition it would go on, before I can move it to that partition, I fail to understand why you are telling me such a painfully obvious thing
[08:17] <yown> What exactly is to be named "media/home"?
[08:18] <tannji> yown,  the step that copies you /home also names the copy /media/home, so that you and ubuntu can tell the difference between the original /home and the copy
[08:18] <tannji> copies your*
[08:18] <yown> tannji ok, but I still don't know what is being named that
[08:19] <yown> And I want to understand what I am doing, rather then blindly inputing commands
[08:19] <tannji> yown,  the step you pasted above with "sudo rsync"  is the actual command to copy, what to copy, and what to name that copy
[08:19] <tannji> yown,  i understand  = )
[08:20] <yown> I get that, but home isn't a single copy, its a group of files
[08:20] <yown> You aren't just copying one thing, you are copying many independent things
[08:20] <tannji> yown,   right!  but you arent worried about the files....  you are copying everything inside that "folder"  (even tho it isnt a folder
[08:20] <yown> Which of those gets the name "media/home"?
[08:21] <yown> So its the folder?
[08:21] <tannji> yown,  ack!   sorta
[08:21] <yown> Its something like a directory listing, but not?
[08:21] <tannji> I am trying to simplify without being wrong or misleading
[08:22] <yown> Careful though, sometimes oversimplified can be even more confusing to those trying to understand the process
[08:22] <tannji> in MS windows, when you copy a file or folder, then paste it in the same folder as the original, what happens?
[08:22] <yown> Nothing if they are on different partitions
[08:22] <yown> I mean they copy
[08:23] <yown> And I thought you said it wasn't folder/directory
[08:23] <tannji> its a place....
[08:24] <yown> That clears up nothing
[08:24] <yown> Like I said, please don't oversimplify
[08:26] <yown> What is the term for what is being named "media/home"? The term isn't directory, right? So what is it then?
[08:26] <greyhat> oo
[08:26] <gordonjcp> yown: yes, that's a directory
[08:26] <gordonjcp> yown: you are copying a directory from one place to another
[08:26] <tannji> ok...  the command you pasted above is copying /home and ALL its contents, and creating a duplicate.  if you have  two copies, you name them differently, until you know they are good, and the move was successful, and then you name the copy /home, getting rid of the /media, place it in the new partion you made, and mount it
[08:26] <greyhat> who is a scientist
[08:27] <yown> tannji said that it wasn't a folder/directory
[08:27] <greyhat> i want  to improve my skill
[08:27] <greyhat> give me some tips
[08:27] <yown> folder is a term for one segment of a directory BTW, the way I know it
[08:27] <tannji> sure
[08:28] <tannji> ah!  segment
[08:28] <tannji> ok....  so you are copying that segment and will move it to a new drive, right?
[08:28] <yown> So basically you make a directory of "media/home" then move the files over to that directory, then move it to the new partition?  Why not just copy it over to the new partition directly?
[08:29] <gordonjcp> greyhat: ask in #ubuntu-offtopic ;-)
[08:30] <gordonjcp> yown: you need to mount the partition *somewhere*
[08:30] <tannji> ok..... the only reason you have to mkdir  (make the /media/home)  is because you cant use that location to copy to unless it is mounted
[08:31] <tannji> if you called the new location /home and mounted that, where would ubuntu copy /home to??  you would have two locations called /home
[08:32] <yown> OH, right, so linux doesn't have unique designations for different partitions for normal commands?
[08:32] <tannji> so we call the new one /media/home, we mount it so it can be used, and copy the original /home contents to it
[08:32] <gordonjcp> yown: no
[08:32] <gordonjcp> yown: well, only if you're actually dealing with partitions, like making a filesystem on them
[08:33] <yown> gordonjcp: hmmm, seems to make things more complicated
[08:33] <gordonjcp> yown: more complicated than what?
[08:34] <tannji> we arent dealing with commands when we refer to /media/home....  its a label
[08:34] <yown> gordonjcp: You are saying there isn't a partition designation for linux, right? (linux equivalent of c:, d:, e: etc down the line)
[08:34] <gordonjcp> yown: what's c:, d: e: ?
[08:34] <yown> gordonjcp: never used windows?
[08:34] <gordonjcp> yown: oh, like in MSDOS?  No
[08:34] <gordonjcp> yown: no
[08:35] <tannji> ok, you are kinda confusing physical locations with logical references to partitions
[08:35] <gordonjcp> yown: not for about 20 years
[08:35] <yown> Well those partition designations would make it so that having same named folders on two different partitions be no problem
[08:36] <yown> And it makes it easy to do something like copy all content of one partition to another location, since you have a easy short designation to use for such
[08:36] <gordonjcp> yown: but you can do that anyway
[08:36] <tannji> right, but you want to be safe, not lose data, and use commands to do your work...  this is the way to do that
[08:36] <gordonjcp> yown: okay, let's back up a bit
[08:37] <tannji> I think I could do this better in a voice client, lol
[08:37] <gordonjcp> yown: in Unix the filesystem is a tree, with one root
[08:38] <yown> So the contents of /home should actually be in a file named home in the new partition. But because of a lack of partition AKA drive designation, having two folders/directories with the same name could cause errors. so instead you make a folder directory named media/home (or whatever name, doesn't matter) and put the files in there
[08:38] <yown> then change the directory to just home after removing or renaming the old home
[08:39] <gordonjcp> yown: you can mount filesystems onto this tree, and in fact the tree itself is a filesstem
[08:39] <yown> Is that all right?
[08:39] <yown> I didn't understand that statement gordon, but did I reasonably accurately describe the situation?
[08:40] <tannji> sorta
[08:40] <yown> What did I get wrong?
[08:41] <tannji> its not the drive designation that matters so much as the fact that you have to mount /media/home to copy to it, and you dont want it named the same as the original /home
[08:41] <yown> I said lack of drive designation
[08:42] <tannji> you are fixating on that, but it doesnt really affect anything...  they can be on same drive or different...
[08:43] <tannji> in your case they will end up on different drives  because that is your original goal
[08:43] <yown> That doesn't negate what I just said
[08:43] <yown> Are you mounting the folder, rather then the whole partition, when doing this?
[08:43] <tannji> right
[08:44] <yown> Why couldn't one mount the whole partition and copy over to it?
[08:44] <gordonjcp> argh, horrible ADSL
[08:44] <gordonjcp> yown: that's what you're doing
[08:44] <tannji> if your drive is 100gb and /media/home is 20gb, you will be mounting that designated 20gb directory within the drive
[08:44] <gordonjcp> yown: don't think about "drives"
[08:44] <tannji> lol
[08:45] <gordonjcp> yown: you're overthinking this
[08:45] <yown> yown	Are you mounting the folder, rather then the whole partition, when doing this?
[08:45] <yown> 	tannji	right
[08:45] <tannji> like I said earlier, we are fixating on physical drives, when we are actually dealing with logical partions
[08:46] <yown> Who is fixated on physical drives? Who has even mentioned physical drives?
[08:46] <gordonjcp> yown: you keep going on about identifying drives
[08:46] <tannji> gordon has it right, and I understand... you are so intent on understanding the process that you are missing the tree and seeing forest
[08:46] <gordonjcp> yown: you only need to do that when you actually want to mount the drive
[08:47] <yown> Drive designation is a specific term, windows partitions each get their own drive designation, even though they are on the same physical drive. I used drive designation rather then partition designation because of it being a established term, that apparently you guys are unfamiliar with
[08:48] <gordonjcp> yown: right
[08:48] <matrix> hi all
[08:48] <gordonjcp> yown: so in Linux (and other Unixes are similar) drives have a path
[08:48] <matrix> !list
[08:49] <gordonjcp> yown: a drive might be called /dev/sdd and partitions on it might be called /dev/sdd1, /dev/sdd2, /dev/sdd3 and so on
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> matrix: you joined the ubuntu support channel mate
[08:49] <yown> gordonjcp: You use drive to mean physical drive, as in one storage device, right?
[08:50] <gordonjcp> yown: yes
[08:50] <gordonjcp> yown: so one of my servers here has four physical drives
[08:51] <yown> gordonjcp: tannji said that you mount the folder on the partition, rather then the partition itself, when copying home, or at least that is what I read
[08:51] <gordonjcp> yown: that's a slightly confusing way of putting it
[08:51] <lotuspsychje> someone knows why xscreensaver conflicts with gnome-screensaver with the warning default deamon?
[08:51] <varunendra> yown, windows also has mount points and it also does the mounting. Only it does that in the background, hiding the process and all the complexities from the user. The drive letters (c:, d:, etc.) are just the mount points, not the partitions themselves.
[08:51] <tannji> I said in the partion, rather than just in the drive
[08:51] <lotuspsychje> i cant get xscreensaver set as default every boot
[08:51] <yown> media/home is a directory path on the partition, right?
[08:51] <gordonjcp> yown: so my /dev/sda that I'm looking at is a real physical disk, really physically plugged into the chassis
[08:52] <yown> I get that gordonjcp, lets move on please
[08:52] <gordonjcp> yown: that drive has three partitions, /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda5
[08:52] <yown> please move on
[08:52] <yown> Like by answering my question
[08:52] <gordonjcp> yown: I'm getting there.  I don't know how much you know about this, so it's easiest to start at the start
[08:53] <gordonjcp> the first partition, /dev/sda1 is mounted as the root filesystem which gives you / and everything below
[08:53] <yown> The confusion stemmed from a different usage of the term drive, which we have since cleared up
[08:54] <yown> gives you what and everything below?
[08:54] <gordonjcp> so say /dev/sda5 is a partition with a filesystem containing a bunch of videos
[08:54] <gordonjcp> yown: the / directory
[08:54] <gordonjcp> and everything in it, and everything in *those* things, and so on
[08:54] <yown> you meen the root directory?
[08:54] <gordonjcp> yes
[08:54] <gordonjcp> yown: right now this is where things get different from MSDOS
[08:54] <gordonjcp> you don't have drive letters for different partitons
[08:54] <gordonjcp> *partitions
[08:55] <gordonjcp> you have mount points
[08:55] <gordonjcp> so in the case of this server, /dev/sda5 contains a bunch of videos
[08:55] <yown> and by "/ and everything below" you mean the whole partition, I am not sure what you are talking about with that "everything below" business
[08:55] <malone> Hi.
[08:55] <gordonjcp> yown: no, not the whole partition, the filesystem
[08:56] <malone> I'm attempting to add a repo whose packages have not yet been updated to 13.04, which I'm running, so running apt-get update returns 404 in this case
[08:56] <gordonjcp> yown: getting back to this server, there is a mount point /media/video
[08:56] <yown> gordonjcp: That makes no sense, there isn't a "the FS", FS is a type of partition encoding, not anything specific
[08:56] <gordonjcp> yown: /media/video is a directory with nothing in it
[08:56] <Kitty_> Hello can someone explain what is GNOME
[08:56] <malone> however, packages exist for quantal, and there's no reason to believe that there's a difference
[08:56] <gordonjcp> yown: are you being deliberately obtuse?
[08:56] <JesseH> Kitty_, I think google can help you figure it out better.
[08:56] <malone> is it at all possible to force apt to use the older version?
[08:57] <gordonjcp> yown: we use many different types of filesystem
[08:57] <yown> gordonjcp: That question ins extremely insulting
[08:57] <histo> malone: ppa's aren't supported here
[08:57] <gordonjcp> yown: it's really important that you understand this
[08:57] <yown> I know what a FS is, well in general terms anyway
[08:57] <JesseH> Kitar|st, It's a desktop environment, for short. :)
[08:57] <gordonjcp> yown: what, and going "move on, move on" isn't?
[08:57] <gordonjcp> yown: okay, good
[08:57] <Kitty_> JesseH, well i read some things on google but din't understand. Can you give me some links
[08:57] <yown> gordonjcp: I have put together different computers
[08:57] <yown> including this one
[08:58] <JesseH> Kitty_, http://www.gnome.org/about/
[08:58] <gordonjcp> yown: so you understand that what the filesystem *is* - how it is actually working - isn't important
[08:58] <yown> though linux is new to me
[08:58] <Www> Morning, everyone.
[08:58] <JesseH> Good morning Www
[08:58] <histo> yown: what is your question?
[08:58] <gordonjcp> yown: yeah, that's fine, everything is new at some point
[08:58] <HisaoNakai> Hey folks. I have a flash memory which I was asked to format. I tried to do that in gparted but it said there is no partition table. I tried making an msdos and later a mac one, and it failed both times and ejected the thing :(
[08:59] <Kitty_> JesseH, Thank you :)
[08:59] <gordonjcp> yown: rather than have a drive letter for a partition and then use that to identify it, you mount the partition on an empty directory
[08:59] <JesseH> Kitty_, No problem mate, I tend to try answer the questions that others don't :P
[09:00] <yown> histo: when you mount a partition for home, is the home part actually a folder/directory path called "/home" within that partition?
[09:00] <gordonjcp> yown: nearly
[09:00] <gordonjcp> yown: /home is an empty directory within the root fs
[09:00] <histo> HisaoNakai: plug it back in and determine the dev from dmesg. Then sudo cfdisk /dev/of/device and create a partition table. Then you can mkfs.vfat /dev/of/partition
[09:00] <yown> gordonjcp: How is that different then what I just said?
[09:00] <histo> yown: no the file system of that partition is mounted to the /home directory
[09:01] <gordonjcp> yown: I read what you said to mean that /home is within the partition with the home directories
[09:01] <histo> yown: if you mounted that partition else where you would see no home directory...
[09:01] <yown> histo: um, partitions aren't limited to one FS at a time?
[09:01] <histo> yown: What?
[09:02] <yown> histo:  You format your partition with a specific FS of your choosing, and you can only have one FS per partition, or am I wrong?
[09:02] <Www> Considering dual-booting Ubuntu once more. I miss it. Aha.
[09:02] <histo> yown: correct
[09:02] <gordonjcp> yown: the root filesystem contains an empty directory, /home
[09:02] <tannji> file system doesnt just refer to fat32 or ext4....  it also refers to the way things are organized in the tree
[09:03] <gordonjcp> yown: the filesystem with the actual home directories just contains those home directories
[09:03] <yown> gordonjcp: I didn't understand that
[09:03] <tannji> exactly'
[09:04] <gordonjcp> yown: which part?
[09:04] <tannji> filesystem
[09:04] <tannji> he is confusing the techicality of ext4 with the organization of directories
[09:04] <histo> yown: on your home partition you will use user1 user2 etc...  you won't see home/user1 home/user2
[09:04] <histo> yown: s/use/see/
[09:04] <yown> tannji: You mean using the term FS to refer to two different things, or one thing with two different aspects?
[09:04] <Www> Could any of you recommend a decent password manager for Linux that isn't LastPass? I use Dashlane in Windows at the moment, so I'd prefer something that would allow me to import my database from there.
[09:05] <histo> Www: alternativeto.net
[09:05] <unheeding>  hey assholes
[09:06] <histo> !language | unheeding
[09:06] <tannji> file system usually is "ext4" or "fat32".  filesystem refers to how we organize the directories
[09:06] <gordonjcp> tannji: that's not very helpful
[09:06] <tannji> ok
[09:06] <gordonjcp> because it's kind of wrong
[09:06] <yown> So within the ext FS, is a hidden base directory, that all the other directories sit on top of?
[09:06] <unheeding> oops, thanks histo
[09:06] <tannji> but I think it involves what he is confused about
[09:06] <gordonjcp> yown: no
[09:06] <histo> gordonjcp: actually it was an "ok" description of a filesystem
[09:07] <tannji> = )
[09:07] <gordonjcp> histo: hence "kind of"
[09:07] <unheeding> >not having ZFS
[09:07] <gordonjcp> the term "filesystem" refers to how the partition is actually formatted
[09:07] <unheeding> >being a pleb
[09:07] <histo> yown: no stuff can be in the root of the filesystem just like in dos. If you ever look at a FAT file system you will see stuff in the root directory of the fs
[09:07] <yown> FS is the setup of data, and accompanying map that provides the path to that data
[09:07] <yown> the setup formation of the data, the blueprint
[09:08] <gordonjcp> yown: right
[09:08] <histo> yown: e.g. c:\somestuff.txt  or c:\whatever\    the directory whatever and the file somestuff.txt are in the root directory of the filesystem just like user1 user2 etc...
[09:08] <tannji> gordonjcp,  this is what I was referring to:  http://searchstorage.techtarget.com/definition/file-system
[09:09] <yown> So when you name something "media/home" like in these instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving, what exactly are you naming?
[09:09] <histo> gordonjcp:  A method of organizing blocks on a storage device into files and directories.
[09:09] <gordonjcp> yown: you are referring to a directory
[09:09] <tannji> file system is the means of handling the data, filesystem is the organization from a logical standpoint
[09:10] <yown> So you are basically putting a directory called "media/home" within the partition?
[09:10] <gordonjcp> yown: within the root partition, yes
[09:10] <histo> yown: you are created a directory in /media called home so the full path is /media/home . Later you will mount a partition to /media/home  and put stuff there.
[09:10] <gordonjcp> yown: you then hang your new partition off /media/root
[09:10] <HisaoNakai> histo - 'No primary partitions are marked bootable. DOS MBR cannot boot this.'
[09:10] <gordonjcp> yown: no, sorry, /media/home/
[09:10] <yown> What is a root partition?
[09:10] <histo> HisaoNakai: Ok
[09:11] <histo> yown: the first / = root  so /...media/...home is the equivalent of c:\media\home for your M$ mind.
[09:11] <HisaoNakai> histo - Suggested course of action? o_O
[09:12] <histo> HisaoNakai: Where are you getting that error?
[09:12] <yown> histo: actually that second part doesn't help. I think you mean C:\ for us windows minded
[09:12] <yown> or what ever partition designation
[09:12] <fossterer> Anyone using juju?
[09:12] <varunendra> HisaoNakai, use gparted to set the "boot" flag on the partition.
[09:13] <histo> yown: in linux you don't have c d e etc.. you can mount filesystems in direcories anywhere and utilize them.
[09:13] <gordonjcp> histo: I've been through all this
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> !info juju > lotuspsychje
[09:13] <yown> histo If I am making this in media\, won't the files be copied to the same partition?
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> fossterer: first i heared of it :p
[09:14] <gordonjcp> yown: no, because you mount your new partition on /media/home
[09:14] <HisaoNakai> histo - in cfdisk
[09:15] <HisaoNakai> histo - After I try to write the partition table
[09:15] <yown> gordonjcp: So the directory of media/home, won't be on the partition itself?
[09:15] <yown> gordonjcp: Rather the name of its mounting point?
[09:16] <gordonjcp> yown: no, the directory /media/home will be on the root partition
[09:16] <gordonjcp> yown: along with stuff like /var, /usr and so on
[09:16] <gordonjcp> yown: /media/home will just be an empty directory
[09:16] <histo> HisaoNakai: that's fine. write it and then quit unless you want it to be bootable
[09:16] <gordonjcp> you can copy stuff to it just like normal
[09:16] <yown> what do you mean by root partition, you mean the partition of the OS you are working off of?
[09:16] <gordonjcp> you don't want to do that
[09:16] <gordonjcp> yown: yes, the root partition being the thing that / is on
[09:17] <gordonjcp> when you mount the new partition on /media/home then all the space on that partition becomes available as /media/home/<big empty directory>
[09:17] <yown> So is "media/home" the name of the mounting point directory the target to copy over partition would go on?
[09:17] <gordonjcp> yes
[09:18] <histo> yown: You mkdir /media/home  then mount some partition there to use its filesystem.
[09:19] <serg_> помогите настроить vsftp!!!
[09:19] <yown> Well I have made partitions before, and mounted them, they appeared directly rather then nestled in a directory, I get that you can nestle them that way, but why is that necessary for copying?
[09:19] <gordonjcp> yown: because that's how Unix does it
[09:19] <yown> does what?
[09:19] <gordonjcp> yown: you don't use separate drive letters, because that's messy and inconvenient
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> !ru | serg_
[09:20] <gordonjcp> yown: doing it this way, you don't actually have to *care* where the files physically reside
[09:20] <yown> Why can't I just mount the partition I make outside of any directory then copy over the contents of /home?
[09:20] <gordonjcp> yown: you have to mount it *somewhere*
[09:20] <yown> right
[09:20] <gordonjcp> yown: where you mount it doesn't actually matter
[09:20] <yown> but doesnt have to be in a directory
[09:20] <tannji> who's on first
[09:21] <gordonjcp> yown: it has to be an empty directory
[09:21] <histo> gordonjcp: doesn't have to be empty
[09:21] <gordonjcp> histo: mount(8) will complain if there are files there
[09:21] <yown> I said already, I have mounted partions before, they didn't need to go into directories
[09:21] <gordonjcp> yown: where did you mount them then?
[09:21] <histo> yown: where did you mount them?
[09:22]  * histo senses troll
[09:23] <yown> I dont know, it just shows up in nautilus  as "52 GB files" etc. listed directly in nautilus, and not in any directory.I don't know "where" that is
[09:23] <HisaoNakai> histo - Ouch man. Even after setting it to bootable in cfdisk, sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc says 'device partition expected, not making fs' etc. :S
[09:23] <histo> HisaoNakai: because it would be mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc1  for the first primary partition
[09:23] <gordonjcp> yown: yes, that's mounted somewhere
[09:23] <histo> HisaoNakai: sdc is the device sdc1 is the partitioin
[09:23] <gordonjcp> yown: probably in something like /media/yown/<some ID taken from the disk>