[10:25] <strannik> trying to mount windows partition
[10:25] <bob2> strannik: /msg ubotu ntfs
[10:25] <bob2> teroedni: because you don't know what you're doing
[10:25] <ajmitch_> teroedni: because a lot of work has gone into making X.org on ubuntu
[10:25] <flozilum> rob^: where do i need to be for that
[10:26] <bob2> and you'll break your existing X setup
[10:26] <why-oh-why> i crap 2 times per morning for some reason
[10:26] <strannik> thanks
[10:26] <rick_> could anyone help me, I just installed Ubuntu and trying to install Nvidia Drivers, I am a newbie striving to learn
[10:26] <rob^> what is ubotu smoking today?
[10:26] <nightswim> !nvidia
[10:26] <ubotu> I guess nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[10:26] <bob2> rick_: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:26] <cafuego_> teroedni: Remember rule 1.
[10:26] <nightswim> rick_: try that
[10:26] <rob^> !dma
[10:26] <rick_> thank you
[10:26] <rob^> rumour has it, dma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. A method of transferring data from one memory area to another without having to go through the central processing unit. It makes your hard disks run faster :-).  DMA from the ubuntu wiki guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[10:26] <rick_> i made it kinda far but it said i needed binutils
[10:27] <strannik> bob2: actually its fat32 for me...don't like ntfs
[10:27] <teleyinex> hi
[10:27] <why-oh-why> i crap 2 times per morning for some reason - WHAT CAUSES THIS?
[10:27] <cafuego_> strannik: bob2 has left the building
[10:27] <propagandhi> !mark
[10:27] <ubotu> A -- MARK -- message is printed in the log every 15 minutes, so you know the logger is running. This is perfectly normal. Your kernel has not been hacked by a danish guy called 'Mark'.
[10:27] <da_bon_bon> whoa ? who is rob^ ?
[10:27] <teroedni> hmm
[10:27] <teleyinex> someone has updated today breezy?
[10:27] <rob^> da_bon_bon, why do you ask?
[10:27] <teleyinex> because breezy-updates has problems with gpg
[10:28] <cafuego_> !gpgerr
[10:28] <ubotu> If you get GPG errors when accessing the Ubuntu archives, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* (Yes, you will get some 'is a directory' messages, that's fine) then wait 10 minutes and retry.
[10:28] <strannik> cafuego_: thanks
[10:28] <teroedni> but will i only break my xorg or would it break the whole kernel?? scock:=o
[10:28] <flozilum> rob^: advisable to stop the rip before i enable dma?
[10:28] <cafuego_> strannik: Mind you, the 'ntfs' factoid also goes for fat32.
[10:28] <olicat> whats the best way of clearing swap space if it's run out? do i have to reboot?
[10:28] <maxou> i
[10:28] <cafuego_> teroedni: if you don't know what you're doing, you'll break your entire system.
[10:28] <maxou> olicat, yes
[10:29] <cafuego_> !rule 1
[10:29] <ubotu> Rule number one: Don't fix it if it isn't broken!
[10:29] <olicat> maxou, damn. thanks
[10:29] <rob^> flozilum, you will need to restart the rip most likely
[10:29] <why-oh-why> i crap 2 times per morning for some reason - WHAT CAUSES THIS?
[10:29] <teleyinex> I get that the packages arent signed
[10:29] <mojo> yo yo PPL
[10:29] <mojo> is Dapper respo opened yet?
[10:29] <cafuego_> why-oh-why: oil
[10:29] <strannik> ok, thanks just got the information. have a good one, bye
[10:29] <teleyinex> and then untrusted
[10:29] <why-oh-why> oil???
[10:29] <rick_> How do you open a terminal in Ubuntu?
[10:29] <cafuego_> Mojo: Check the archives.
[10:29] <rick_> can you open one in a window?
[10:29] <teroedni> uboto: How do i learn if i cant get into trouble
[10:29] <cafuego_> rick_: Appls -> Accessories -> Terminal
[10:30] <rick_> Thanks
[10:30] <teroedni> but anyway if i can break my kernel on this i dont do it
[10:30] <cafuego_> teroedni: Just don't expect help if you wilfully break your system against better judgement.
[10:30] <teroedni> Thanks:)
[10:30] <da_bon_bon> how do i edit my mkinitrd.conf to support suspend2 ?
[10:30] <onkarshinde> rick_: There is nautilus-terminal package you need to install.
[10:30] <da_bon_bon> i just need to gte one line added to linuxrc
[10:30] <da_bon_bon> is it possible ?
[10:31] <flozilum> dma is on - ripping still crawling...
[10:31] <manuvcube> has onyone this "sound is much too low on mp3" problem, too? (ibookg4 with breezy)
[10:31] <ajmitch_> da_bon_bon: we don't use initrd in breezy, but initramfs
[10:31] <cafuego_> onkarshinde: Only for the right-click option.
[10:31] <da_bon_bon> ohok, ajmitch_
[10:31] <onkarshinde> cafuegoYes. He asks whether he can open terminal from a window.
[10:31] <mojo> cafuego: what u mean checking archive?
[10:32] <da_bon_bon> ajmitch_: i made my own kernel use make kpkg .. i had used " --initrd " option while buidling --  will it still use initramfs ?
[10:32] <ajmitch_> da_bon_bon: probably not then
[10:32] <da_bon_bon> ok, ajmitch_
[10:32] <da_bon_bon> :)
[10:32] <da_bon_bon> how do i check what it is using ?
[10:33] <teleyinex> how can i update my gpg of the repositories?
[10:33] <cafuego_> teleyinex: Your GPG is fine, the repositry is broken, use a different repository until the current one is fixed.
[10:33] <rick_> ok, i have installed the nivida driver package per the directions you linked me to, I am wondering, are these the latest drivers from nvidia or just get the job done drivers
[10:34] <cafuego_> rick_: They're the latest prebuilt drivers which perform no different from the nvidia ones.
[10:34] <rick_> Ok, Thank you :)
[10:34] <rick_> You have been a big help
[10:34] <rick_> Quite a challenge learning this linux but I am fed up with windows
[10:34] <teleyinex> cafuego, the problem is that I have updated from that repositorie
[10:34] <cafuego_> teleyinex: so?
[10:34] <teleyinex> and only I get that are untrusted
[10:35] <spiral> hi
[10:35] <cafuego_> They all carry the same files.
[10:35] <all4n> hey, I have a problem..  I'm running out of diskspace on / and was thinking of mounting /home on a new partition I just created.  What I was thinking was just to copy everythin over on that partition by using 'cp -a /home/* /home2/' and then remove /home, and remount /home2 as /home.. now, the problem is that when I try to copy everything over.. I get the problem that it won't copy symbolic links and things.. why is that?
[10:36] <teleyinex> ok
[10:36] <teleyinex> well, but i dont understand then why i get the files untrusted
[10:36] <teleyinex> it has passed me in two machines with breezy
[10:36] <Peps> all4n, use tar untar
[10:37] <cafuego_> all4n: 'cp -a /home/* /home2'
[10:37] <all4n> Peps, is there a reason tar can copy and pack something that cp can not?
[10:38] <da_bon_bon> ok, ajmitch_ , its initramfs
[10:38] <Peps> all4n, tar worked for me in the past. just try it out on a small subdir with links
[10:38] <all4n> cafuego, it claims it cannot preserve ownership
[10:38] <cafuego_> all4n: Copy as root, via sudo.
[10:38] <cafuego_> all4n: (and not to fat32)
[10:39] <all4n> cafuego, ah.. thats the reason then.. I tried to copy to fat32 disk
[10:39] <all4n> cafuego, I was thinking of sharing my home folder with windows
[10:41] <cafuego_> all4n: fat32 doesn't support permissions and ownership; that won't work.
[10:42] <all4n> cafuego, hmm.. is it a problem that the files have no ownership (not security related, that is)?
[10:42] <onkarshinde> Has anyone successfully shared swap partition between windows and linux?
[10:42] <cafuego_> all4n: Not for simple data storage, no.
[10:42] <mahangu> onfire_nux, i dont think so - windows would need a formatted vat or ntfs
[10:42] <wijnand> does Breezy support WPA out of the box or would Istill  need to use the WPA Howto to set it up?
[10:42] <signius> why the hell would you want to share them ?
[10:42] <all4n> cafuego, so ubuntu won't have any problems with the files being stored on fat32, right?
[10:43] <cafuego_> all4n: So you could say use ~/Documents as a link to a directory on fat32.
[10:43] <signius> and you wouldnt be able to share them anyways as far as i am aware as windows doesnt under *nix file formats
[10:43] <all4n> signius, because I dont want to have double dose of documents lying around on the computer
[10:43] <onkarshinde> all4n: You are setting up /home. All users will be able to access each others files if there are no owenerships.
[10:43] <signius> then you need to create a fat32 partition to share data storage on
[10:43] <cafuego_> all4n: it shouldn't, but if 'chmod' or 'chown' calls fail, some apps might bork. Best to leave /home on ext3 and just offload data files.
[10:44] <all4n> onkarshinde, this is no server. I only have one user
[10:44] <cafuego_> signius: Windows has no problems mounting ext2/ext3 and using most files.
[10:44] <all4n> cafuego, all righty then  :)
[10:44] <signius> what when shared with samba ?
[10:44] <onkarshinde> signius: ext2ifs is the answer
[10:44] <mahangu> cafuego, wierd, i had problems with ext2/3 - windows wont even find them
[10:44] <cafuego_> signius: No, when mounted using the tools from ext2fsd.sourceforge.net
[10:44] <onkarshinde> !ext2ifs
[10:44] <ubotu> onkarshinde: Are you smoking crack?
[10:45] <Hobbsee> !ext2fs
[10:45] <ubotu> Hobbsee: I haven't a clue
[10:45] <signius> i am not familar with that project or how reliable it is
[10:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> did anyone else here have keymap problems when you moved to breezy?
[10:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> i get xorg errors and i can't use my accented characters anymore.
[10:45] <signius> the standard solutions is to share data on a dual boot system on a shared fat32
[10:46] <leagris> same problems with keymap as with Hoary BROKEN_LADDER. Worked ok with mandriva
[10:46] <all4n> signius, that was my plan.. I can still do it, just make a link as you said
[10:46] <mwe> BROKEN_LADDER: the keyboard driver changed name to kbd
[10:46] <leagris> not very important thouch, one or to key not mapped correctly
[10:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> leagris hoary gave me no problems.
[10:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> mwe i've been using kbd
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> in hoary too.
[10:47] <leagris> Wat is the keymap you use BROKEN_LADDER ?
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> my kbd keymap specifies lots of accented third-level characters.  if i try to set alt to be third-level chooser in keymap settings, i get an error.
[10:47] <onkarshinde> signius: I would suggest not using Windows at all ;-)
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> dvorak with esperanto modifications.
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> onkarshinde absolutely.
[10:48] <signius> its a shame microsoft are being such tossers abotu releasing any specs on NTFS
[10:48] <all4n> hear hear
[10:48] <Ng> signius: it's their product, you don't have to use it, if you don't like it, don't use it
[10:48] <signius> though i personally havnt had any problems withread/writes to ntfs partitions but other claim its very flakey
[10:48] <signius> i can only comment on my own experiences
[10:48] <da_bon_bon> YAY! finally got suspend2 to work on ubuntu
[10:49] <cafuego_> signius: it makes NTFS break whenever I even write a file without changing it.
[10:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> does anyone know what "direct" means next to "loudness" on my receiver?
[10:49] <signius> I appreciate its there product but i am talking about for the good of interoperablity
[10:49] <electron> why does Ubuntu come without sshd?
[10:49] <onkarshinde> If I have data on some fat32 partition and I want it to convert to ext3 will I loose data?
[10:49] <cafuego_> signius: That's not what the business plan specifies Microsoft to be all about.
[10:49] <cafuego_> onkarshinde: Yes.
[10:49] <Ng> electron: security. it's in the archives though, install openssh-server
[10:49] <signius> wil be interesting to see how the rulings of the EU pan out with regard to releasing specs
[10:50] <cafuego_> electron: Because most home users don't need an ssh server.
[10:50] <slept> BROKEN_LADDER, that loudness or bass  treble settings wont have any effect, have a try :)
[10:50] <signius> i am not sure about coverting fat32 to exts on the fly
[10:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> slept i have them set to zero anyway.  :)
[10:50] <signius> not sure if partition magic can do it on the fly and keep the data
[10:50] <cafuego_> signius: It's not worth the risk.
[10:51] <all4n> cafuego, would it be a good solution just to mount the fat32 partition inside ~/shared   ?
[10:51] <onkarshinde> signius: I don't like partition magic.
[10:51] <signius> onkarshinde on what basis ?
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> my cowon iaudio u2 is so weird with it's "eq" settings.  it has this thing called "BBE" that is supposed to "enhance" the sound.  if you turn it up to 10, sounds great.  it just sounds like it would ogg123 or xmms with no eq.  but if you turn bbe all the way off, it sounds terrible and tinny.
[10:51] <cafuego_> all4n: Yep.
[10:51] <siniste1> Hello there. I ve downloaded ubuntu 5.10 and it  cant recognize the partition table..
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't want to alter my sound, but if i turn it up it sounds normal, and if i turn it off it sounds terrible.
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> but the cowon iaudio u2 is amazing.
[10:52] <all4n> cafuego, thanks, then that is what I will do
[10:52] <onkarshinde> signius: It corrupted my partition table on my old systems when I tried to make room for linux installation.
[10:52] <signius> i have used it hundreds if not thouasands of times and never had a problem
[10:52] <cafuego_> KyiELi: Hi, spammer.
[10:52] <signius> what fiel system was on the HDD when you made the changes ?
[10:53] <onkarshinde> signius: fat32
[10:53] <signius> did you scandisk and defrag first ?
[10:53] <all4n> onkarshinde, partition magic messed up my system here as well last night..  I ended up reinstalling windows
[10:53] <onkarshinde> signius: I don't remember exactly. It was about 2 years back. I haven't tried it after that.
[10:54] <el-stupido> anyone here plays UT?
[10:54] <electron> why can't I ssh to this Ubuntu box?
[10:55] <electron> no route to host
[10:55] <signius> although i dont know what you guys did in what order and cant point any fingers whenever anyone i know has screwed a system with pm its becuase they did something in the wrong order or something dumb
[10:55] <all4n> signius, NTFS
[10:55] <slept> electron, do you have an sshserver, is port 22 open ?
[10:55] <signius> but everyone is entitled to use whatever they choose
[10:56] <onkarshinde> Who needs partition magic days these days. I don't use Windows anymore (at home at least).
[10:56] <mahangu> haha
[10:56] <mahangu> onkarshinde, i needed PM to install ubuntu
[10:56] <signius> i use FOSS & Proprietry i dont subscribe to the one OS is the best for every single job no matter what it is
[10:56] <mahangu> i think linux needs a good GUI partion tool
[10:56] <electron> how do I check?
[10:56] <mahangu> parted is cool
[10:56] <mahangu> but we need a GUI
[10:56] <electron> where is the firewall?
[10:56] <C-Keen> mahangu: like qtparted?
[10:56] <onkarshinde> mahangu: Then perhaps you didn't know that Hoary installer can resize partition for you.
[10:57] <mahangu> onkarshinde, im aware of that
[10:57] <mahangu> but it's not the friendliest thing in the world
[10:57] <mahangu> is all im saying
[10:57] <mahangu> :)
[10:57] <mahangu> dude don't get me wrong
[10:57] <mahangu> i abhor prop software
[10:57] <slept> electron, you can check with nmap , just install it or install sshd
[10:57] <onkarshinde> mahangu: May be it is not friendliest, but it just works.
[10:57] <indypende> hi to all!
[10:57] <Siropel> can someone help me in private regarding vnc on ubuntu ?
[10:57] <manuvcube> electron: firewall is iptables buid in. if you need a gui, install firestarter from universe
[10:58] <onkarshinde> mahangu: By the way breezy now has gparted installed by default AFAIK
[10:58] <indypende> someone have a nicely gnomebaker? working?
[10:58] <tiglionabbit> woot breezy badger's updates page says it has a "dual boot" mode for partitioning, that resizes your other os automatically.  Now I don't have to be there to help people change their partition tables
[10:58] <onkarshinde> indypende: Any problem wit it? Didn't actually use it. Just installed.
[10:58] <rem_> mahan ...gparted
[10:59] <onkarshinde> tiglionabbit: It was present in hoary too.
[10:59] <Siropel> can someone help me in private regarding vnc on ubuntu ?
[10:59] <indypende> onkarshinde, i've got it run but he freeze everytime!
[10:59] <nnn> Hi. tell me somebody how can I use(install) e17 with Ubuntu 5.10???
[10:59] <indypende> onkarshinde, just start and stop at "baking disk" stage!
[10:59] <helpme> is there a nice irc chat client for ubuntu?
[11:00] <rem_> x-chat
[11:00] <helpme> what irc client r u guys using?
[11:00] <indypende> helpme, xchat!
[11:00] <helpme> other than xchat:)
[11:00] <_mindspin> Konversation
[11:00] <onkarshinde> indypende: What ubuntu version? What gnome-baker version? Does it relate to dma problem?
[11:00] <electron> the firewall must be stoping everything, I cant ping my other computer eather
[11:00] <helpme> can i install konverstation in ubuntu? what extra stuff will be installed? whole kde?
[11:00] <onkarshinde> helpme: gaim
[11:00] <indypende> onkarshinde, sheat, the dma!
[11:00] <indypende> onkarshinde, sorry!
[11:01] <indypende> onkarshinde, i will be back!
[11:01] <slept> Siropel, help in private is never a good idea , you loose all the control that will save you from breaking your system, just ask your question if someone knows you'll get help
[11:01] <indypende> onkarshinde, ;)
[11:02] <slept> electron, does networking in general work ? get nmap to findout which ports are open
[11:02] <electron> well it was on my other pcs
[11:02] <helpme> onkarshinde: u really think gaim is an easy-to-use irc client???
[11:02] <mllr> onkarshinde: gaim for irc? I did no know that.
[11:03] <mllr> not
[11:03] <mllr> oops
[11:03] <onkarshinde> helpme: I use Gaim for everything I can. Yahoo, MSN, GTalk, IRC
[11:03] <onkarshinde> Gaim is not as good as xchat, but it works.
[11:03] <dazvid> onkarshinde, too bad the sounds are horrible in gaim :(
[11:04] <mllr> helpme: what are you really looking for in a irc client?
[11:04] <helpme> dazvid: i think they r good:)
[11:04] <rob^> what the heck do you need sounds for?
[11:04] <C-Keen> helpme: usually only the necessary kdelibs will be installed
[11:04] <helpme> something like konversation but not kde app:)
[11:04] <helpme> i see
[11:04] <C-Keen> helpme: well there is xchat for example
[11:04] <dazvid> helpme, really?! they make my ears bleed. I would prefer something like the gnome login prompt noise :)
[11:05] <rob^> ouch
[11:05] <onkarshinde> rob^: I agree
[11:05] <C-Keen> helpme: or if you like to, have a look at irssi a console based irc client
[11:05] <helpme> when can we expect webcam support in gaim??
[11:05] <propagandhi> opera's IRC client is pretty good
[11:05] <dazvid> helpme, apparently in v2.0
[11:05] <slept> helpme, irssi-text works aswell , try all and you'll know what you like
[11:05] <onkarshinde> helpme: By end of year, Gaim 2.0.0
[11:05] <electron> yeah it's heaps weird, it's like the networking isn't working on this computer
[11:05] <electron> but it's setup correct Im pretty sure
[11:06] <onkarshinde> helpme: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/index.php?id=162 Also google talk voice support
[11:06] <dazvid> rob^, sorry I ignored your question before.. I like sounds so that when im not looking at the screen I can be notified. I dont like the Yahoo noises or AIM noises either :)
[11:06] <helpme> thx slept
[11:06] <helpme> im waiting for gaim2:)
[11:06] <onkarshinde> !gaim
[11:06] <ubotu> it has been said that gaim is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GaimHowto/
[11:06] <rob^> sometime I set the pc speaker to beep on message
[11:07] <fdelacruz> Guys having problem installing ubuntu in my SATA i got this error kernel panic not syncing
[11:07] <rob^> s/sometime/sometimes
[11:07] <electron> yes it's just this computer becuase my other 2 boxes can communicate other ethernet
[11:07] <helpme> mllr: thx..i cant pm
[11:07] <dazvid> system beeps are horrible :P
[11:07] <electron> please join #flood to help me
[11:07] <rob^> yeah but it does its job
[11:07] <slept> electron, did you nmap it to find out which ports are closed ?
[11:08] <onkarshinde> !gaim2
[11:08] <ubotu> onkarshinde: Are you smoking crack?
[11:08] <rob^> and doesn't mess with my mp3s
[11:08] <dazvid> I guess
[11:08] <electron> just getting it
[11:09] <slept> electron, you have to put names in front of your messages or write longer sentences that other people can help aswell
[11:09] <onkarshinde> ubotu: gaim2 is rumour is that Gaim 2.0 will support Yahoo & MSN webcams and GoogleTalk voice. Expected to be released by end of year. http://gaim.sourceforge.net/index.php?id=162
[11:09] <ubotu> okay, onkarshinde
[11:09] <onkarshinde> !gaim2
[11:09] <ubotu> gaim2 is, like, rumour is that Gaim 2.0 will support Yahoo & MSN webcams and GoogleTalk voice. Expected to be released by end of year. http://gaim.sourceforge.net/index.php?id=162
[11:10] <r0xoR> has the dead mirror issue been resolved?
[11:10] <el-stupido> how do I test if my mic is working?
[11:10] <rob^> er, ubotu needs a factiod on that why?
[11:10] <onkarshinde> r0xoR: not yet. Read the topic
[11:10] <electron> el-stupido, aumix
[11:10] <r0xoR> oh sht, i just did, but i didn't see it
[11:10] <r0xoR> oh well
[11:10] <r0xoR> el-stupido, ping it?
[11:10] <onkarshinde> rob^: What do you mean?
[11:11] <r0xoR> el-stupido, define working
[11:11] <rob^> onkarshinde, if we want to know about gaim, we would go look at the web site
[11:11] <el-stupido> r0xoR: i dont have aumix i installed TS right now and i can hear them but they cant hear me
[11:11] <electron> slept, PORT   STATE SERVICE
[11:11] <electron> 22/tcp open  ssh
[11:11] <electron> thats all
[11:11] <rob^> ubotu is for help not spam
[11:11] <electron> but I still can't access it
[11:11] <r0xoR> oh
[11:11] <r0xoR> mic not nic :) sorry my bad
[11:11] <r0xoR> what's TS?
[11:11] <mllr> Damn anyone here the new Franz Ferdinand album, not so bad.
[11:12] <onkarshinde> rob^: This is about GAIM 2, and people don't generally go to other sites is they want one line info. If you think it is useless then erase it.
[11:12] <r0xoR> mllr, i don't think anyone knows who that is
[11:12] <r0xoR> :P i don't
[11:12] <el-stupido> r0xoR: Team Speak
[11:12] <rob^> just wondering why you would put it in is all
[11:12] <dazvid> onkarshinde, I didnt know about the linkn so thanks :P
[11:12] <rob^> it is pretty useless
[11:12] <el-stupido> r0xoR: its a util for talking to team mates ingame
[11:12] <r0xoR> ahh
[11:12] <slept> electron, you want the machine to be reachabel via ssh ? that should work . How do you try it? make sure the user with wich you are trying to connect exists on the target machine
[11:13] <electron> slept, I can't even ping the box
[11:13] <onkarshinde> r0xoR: I suppose he is refering to Team Speak. It is outcome of Google Summer of Code
[11:13] <electron> It's asif it doesn't exist...
[11:13] <fdelacruz> electron what is ur problem
[11:13] <hai> can anyone recommend a good encrypt program?
[11:14] <slept> electron, but that machine has a network connection ?
[11:14] <hai> encryption*
[11:14] <r0xoR> onkarshinde, ok... el-stupido... so i have no clue man sorry
[11:14] <electron> Im setting this box up as a internet gateway, but I cannot ping it from my other 2 boxes, but the other 2 boxes can ping each other..
[11:14] <r0xoR> el-stupido, have you tried your mic in any other apps?
[11:14] <electron> This box has the 56k modem
[11:14] <slept> electron, did you try to ping from that machine ?
[11:14] <el-stupido> r0xoR: nope... but i would like to know if its working
[11:14] <onkarshinde> hai: It depends on what your purpose. I use GPG along with Enigmail for mails. GPG can encrypt files also.
[11:14] <electron> yes
[11:14] <r0xoR> el-stupido, so try a different app that makes use of the mic then
[11:15] <slept> electron, does it have a dhcp, dns server?
[11:15] <fdelacruz> electron have you try pinging the other two machine from your gateway
[11:15] <helpme> btw whos idea was it to have ubuntu with gnome.........mark shuttleworth? and why? any reasons?
[11:15] <fdelacruz> is your gateway can ping itself
[11:15] <helpme> anyone knows?
[11:15] <hai> i have very simple encryption needs: encrypt files before burning them to cds.
[11:16] <C-Keen> helpme: if you don't like it you can choose between a variety of desktops
[11:16] <rob^> helpme, there is kubuntu and xubuntu too
[11:16] <helpme> i didnt say i dont like gnome...cmon.i love gnome:)
[11:16] <onkarshinde> hai: gpg would help.
[11:16] <el-stupido> r0xoR: trying krecord now
[11:16] <helpme> im just curious........
[11:16] <hai> thanks. i'm looking into it.
[11:16] <onkarshinde> rob^: I didn't know about xubuntu. Where is it?
[11:17] <helpme> coz edubuntu too is gnome-based...why not other desktops?
[11:17] <rob^> no cds yet, but the meta package is in the repos
[11:17] <rob^> xubuntu-desktop
[11:17] <onkarshinde> rob^: ahh
[11:17] <ideafix> i friend of mine told me ubuntu is spyware
[11:17] <rob^> hahaha
[11:17] <rob^> troll
[11:18] <slept> electron, you can use dnsmasq, it works out of the box if you like to
[11:18] <ideafix> thats is why it doesnt have firewall
[11:18] <helpme> lol
[11:18] <ideafix> an no root password
[11:18] <helpme> ideafix: really? a reviewer said this was  a bad point of ubuntu.........
[11:18] <ideafix> and is sponsored by a security analist
[11:18] <helpme> ubuntu doesnt need firewall?
[11:18] <electron> electron@guardian:~$ ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:18] <electron> PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[11:18] <electron> From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
[11:18] <electron> grr
[11:18] <electron> wtf is it
[11:19] <electron> hello?
[11:19] <electron> this box is rooted
[11:19] <electron> hello?
[11:19] <electron> this box is rooted
[11:19] <rob^> if you want a firewall just do: sudo apt-get install firestarter
[11:19] <propagandhi> ideafix: spyware??? for goodness sake
[11:19] <slept> electron, get nmap and do nmap 192.168.0.*
[11:19] <helpme> electron: chill out
[11:19] <propagandhi> what a moron
[11:19] <ideafix> thats what he told me
[11:19] <ideafix> thats why they ship cds
[11:19] <slept> electron, maybe the other boxes have 192.168.1.
[11:19] <electron> Im not using DHCP and this box cannot ping the other 2 and the other 2 cannot ping this box but they can ping eachother
[11:19] <ideafix> to know were you live etc etc
[11:20] <electron> no, they dont, I set them as <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:20] <slept> ideafix, forget it you are paranoid
[11:20] <helpme> how fast do kde apps load in gnome? same as in kde or faster?
[11:20] <propagandhi> ideafix: yes and they all sit out the front of your house with directional microphones too
[11:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> when i log out of my x session, my screen gets no signal when the gdm/kdm comes up.
[11:20] <propagandhi> its just one big conspiracy
[11:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone know a lot about x.org?
[11:20] <ideafix> thats what my friend told me
[11:21] <rob^> nmap -p0 ipaddress
[11:21] <helpme> how fast do kde apps load in gnome? same as in kde or faster?
[11:21] <rob^> about the same
[11:21] <ideafix> i think hes ritght
[11:21] <propagandhi> ideafix: get a new friend
[11:21] <propagandhi> ideafix: and you have no idea what you're talking about
[11:22] <slept> electron, install dnsmaq and set the other boxes to dhcp
[11:22] <helpme> rob^: :)...that really makes me happy......
[11:22] <ideafix> i dont
[11:22] <ideafix> you got me there
[11:22] <electron> no, I shouldn't have to do that, I NEVER have done that
[11:22] <ideafix>  so is claim to me make sence
[11:23] <electron> It ALWAYS works for me untill I installed Ubuntu
[11:23] <helpme> anyone tried adept here? how does it fare with synaptic?
[11:23] <yannux> hye everybody :)
[11:23] <slept> electron, yes, it should work but its an easy way and having a dhcp server is nice
[11:23] <electron> what should the gateway be for this? the same as the eth0 ip?
[11:23] <rob^> synaptic is better (more mature)
[11:23] <slept> electron, what did nmap give you ?
[11:23] <electron> SSH 22 is open
[11:24] <yannux> I've a little trouble with ati fglrx driver
[11:24] <claes> ideafix, check if you have link with sudo mii-tool
[11:24] <slept> electron, no, for the other machines ?
[11:24] <electron> but this box still cannot ping or be pinged
[11:24] <yannux> module is on
[11:24] <yannux> xorg.conf seems to be good
[11:24] <modu> electro : Are you sure you have set your IP on the correct NIC ? Perhaps it's now on eth1
[11:24] <yannux> but no 3D acceleration with chromium :s
[11:24] <slept> electron, if it cant ping you have no connection to the network
[11:24] <helpme> :(
[11:24] <electron> Note: Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -P0
[11:24] <ideafix> whats link with sudo mii-tool ?
[11:25] <mwe> yannux: and glxinfo says it's using mesa?
[11:25] <vnpaven> Hello everybody
[11:25] <electron> slept, obviously...
[11:25] <slept> electron, what does ifconfig give you, you can paste in #flood
[11:26] <vnpaven> Can you show me how to install Ubuntu from Harddisk?
[11:26] <rob^> vnpaven, you need to use an install cd
[11:26] <yannux> mwe, server glx vendor string: SGI
[11:26] <yannux>    ? :s
[11:26] <rob^> vnpaven, just put it in your cd drive and reboot
[11:26] <yannux> mwe, seems to be SGI :s
[11:26] <electron> But the cable is right and the setting here look right too
[11:27] <mwe> yannux: what does /usr/X11R6/bin/fglrxinfo say?
[11:28] <yannux> mwe, euh it's long, I can past to you in pv ?
[11:28] <mwe> yannux: paste in #flood
[11:28] <rob^> grr
[11:29] <modu> electron : connect only the local NIC, then check the lnk with mii-tool, then check IP and netmask of the gw
[11:29] <electron> local nic?
[11:29] <rob^> yay I love flood bots
[11:29] <electron> this one?
[11:29] <modu> NIC of you local network
[11:29] <electron> I have a 56k modem
[11:29] <electron> with 3 pcs connected via 10mbit hub
[11:30] <modu> modem + NIC ?
[11:30] <electron> yeah
[11:30] <modu> Is the link OK on your gw ?
[11:30] <electron> eth0: autonegotiation failed, link ok
[11:31] <electron> this is the gw
[11:31] <yannux> mwe, yep :)
[11:31] <modu> Not good, but should work ..
[11:31] <dazvid> !ops
[11:31] <ubotu> well, ops is Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, and Nalioth
[11:31] <electron> this is screwed
[11:31] <electron> I might go back to debian
[11:31] <modu> try to ping 3times one of your PC, then do "arp -a"
[11:31] <electron> at least it WORKS
[11:32] <rob^> pfft whatever
[11:32] <mwe> yannux: sudo mv /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 /usr/lib/libGL_so_1_2_bak && sudo ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 /usr/lib
[11:32] <silent_scream> how to get 5.1 suround to work? i have a creative sb live! 24bit, and and 5.1 creative speakers, but i get sound only from the 2 front speakers and the sub woofer...
[11:32] <Bergcube> Blearg!  My mind is going...  I can feel it...  There is some simple thingamajing you can do with command lines like "sude gedit blah-blah.blah" that gives you the prompt back right away.  Hm, this might be called spwaning?   I know I have to use the first generation driver, but I'm not sure how to do that under ubuntu.
[11:39] <ubuntunewbie2> How do I Install ubuntu and make it lighter for old machines ?
[11:39] <slept> electron, try ping <IP_ADDRESS> for the gw
[11:40] <electron> from the here?
[11:40] <slept> yes
[11:40] <electron> this is the gw
[11:40] <neotrophy> How do I get patches/packages into ubuntu?  I'm afraid to reboot my computer ATM, because it's "upgraded" the kernel in a dist-upgrade and I won't have drivers for 2 of my soundcards.
[11:40] <dazvid> bobbyd, you cant write to NTFS
[11:40] <IntoX94> printf("hello word!!");
[11:40] <modu> slept : it will use the loopback
[11:40] <bobbyd> dazvid, you can with the first generation NTFS driver.
[11:40] <dazvid> mmmm interesting
[11:41] <modu> electron : try sudo mii-tools -F 10baseT-HD eth0
[11:42] <electron> nothing
[11:43] <neotrophy> Ah, cool, I've just found the stuff about MOTU
[11:43] <bobbyd> dazvid, also: http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[11:43] <slept> electron, can you paste /etc/network/interfaces on #flood
[11:43] <modu> what does print "sudo mii-tools" now ?
[11:43] <dazvid> bobbyd, I have been misinformed. Thanks for link
[11:46] <electron> done
[11:47] <mahangu> i need some help sitting up kismet
[11:47] <mahangu> *setting
[11:47] <mahangu> anyone?
[11:47] <modu> electro : what does print "sudo mii-tools" now ?
[11:48] <dazvid> Can someone direct me to where the whole "It just works (tm)" thing started?
[11:48] <rss> is the Composite extension enabled for Xorg for breezy?
[11:49] <rss> for displaying translucent/transparent windows
[11:49] <jhank> yes it is
[11:49] <jhank> you just need the appropriate packages
[11:49] <jhank> transset and another one
[11:49] <mllr> dazvid: what is that from? the "It just works"
[11:50] <el-stupido> hwo do I edit a text file thru console?
[11:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there any way to change the icon that appears when i login from x?  i don't want that black dude icon.
[11:50] <dazvid> mllr, Lots of people use it when talking about linux stuff
[11:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> el-stupido pico
[11:50] <slept> el-stupido, nano file
[11:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> el-stupido pico blah.txt
[11:50] <dazvid> i.e. "ubuntu just works (tm)"
[11:50] <slept> el-stupido, joe
[11:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> if ubuntu just worked(tm) i'd be able to type a trademark symbol right now.
[11:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> but i can't because breezy broke my keymap.
[11:50] <kbrooks> BROKEN_LADDER: pico == nonfree
[11:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> so what?
[11:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> it works
[11:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> and you have to remember all sorts of commands to use vi
[11:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> there's nano i guess.  isn't that an open source pico clone?
[11:51] <kbrooks> debian doesnt include pico anymore
[11:51] <ekimus> hi, anyone knows of a good library program, preferably not using a database, i have 16GB of ebooks to manage
[11:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> well i have it in ubuntu dude.
[11:51] <kbrooks> yes it is a pico clone
[11:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> ekimus rhythmbox
[11:52] <ekimus> BROKEN_LADDER: how can rythmbox manage pdfs?
[11:52] <slept> BROKEN_LADDER, use joe its great
[11:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh lol
[11:52] <rss> jhank: installed transset... what other package it may need?
[11:52] <kbrooks> BROKEN_LADDER: i dont have pico in ANY of my repos
[11:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> you mean not audio books.
[11:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> kbrooks weird.
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have it on my ubuntu system.
[11:53] <jhank> rss xcompmgr
[11:53] <rss> fdclock is not transparent
[11:53] <kbrooks> BROKEN_LADDER: you sure
[11:53] <rss> jhank: installed
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> kbrooks it's just a link to nano.
[11:53] <dazvid> pico just opens up nano :)
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just noticed
[11:53] <kbrooks> BROKEN_LADDER: please!
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> how cute
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> please what ?
[11:53] <ekimus> BROKEN_LADDER: when did i say something about audiobooks?
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> ekimus you said ebooks.
[11:53] <rss> jhank: newest version
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> i thought you meant electronic books in mp3 format or something.
[11:54] <jhank> rss i googled for transset ubuntu i think and found a tutorial... you also have to add some extension to xorg.conf
[11:54] <electron> slept!!
[11:54] <electron> look in #flood
[11:54] <rss> jhank: thanks for the lead
[11:54] <jhank> rss no worries
[11:54] <ekimus> so anyone else knows a library management software (not database backed)?
[11:55] <el-stupido> slept: nano file?
[11:55] <nevyn> ekimus: why not database backed?
[11:55] <slept> electron, I'm not sure it looks right , compared to my server to only thing I don't have is network <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:55] <rss> ekimus: personal? or a big one
[11:55] <kbrooks> nevyn: 16GB
[11:55] <slept> el-stupido, have a try
[11:56] <el-stupido> slept: how do i use it?
[11:56] <nevyn> ekimus: what about that one the kiwi's made
[11:56] <nevyn> kbrooks: ?
[11:56] <rss> nevyn: koha?
[11:56] <nevyn> rss: that one.
[11:56] <kbrooks> nevyn: he said so
[11:56] <ekimus> nevyn: and that would be which one?
[11:56] <nevyn> koah
[11:56] <rss> ekimus: koha
[11:56] <nevyn> koha even
[11:56] <slept> el-stupido, have a try its an editor you can't break things.
[11:56] <kbrooks> ekimus hi, anyone knows of a good library program, preferably not using a database, i have 16GB of ebooks to manage
[11:56] <rss> ekimus: if it is for a large library then it is the one
[11:57] <rss> ekimus: or openbiblio
[11:57] <electron> what do you have?
[11:57] <nevyn> kbrooks: but that's the files not the metadata
[11:57] <rss> ekimus: is it for personal collection?
[11:57] <Orborde> Is there any way I can mount in a filesystem via sftp ?
[11:57] <ThePyromaniac> hey guys, i have a question and a reccomendation
[11:57] <nevyn> 16gig isn't a big deal to put in a database
[11:57] <ThePyromaniac> anyone looking for a PHP editor, BLuefish rocks!
[11:57] <Comco> so Ubuntu is spyware huh? ;)
[11:57] <slept> electron, I can paste, but mine is with dhcp,dns and dsl, might not be of great use for you
[11:58] <ekimus> rss: not really, to be used at the local university institute
[11:58] <propagandhi> how ridiculous
[11:58] <kbrooks> Comco: thats bullshit
[11:58] <nevyn> but the point would be not to put the content in the management system
[11:58] <electron> how do I change that network part?
[11:58] <rss> ekimus: use one of them
[11:58] <propagandhi> that has to be the most pathetic thing i've heard yet
[11:58] <electron> should it be .1?
[11:58] <ThePyromaniac> also, is it possible to install a 32 bit Kernal on a 64 bit pc?
[11:58] <Comco> of course it is
[11:58] <Comco> heh
[11:58] <rss> ekimus: Koha has a live cd, try that.
[11:58] <propagandhi> I was just telling comco about ideafix
[11:58] <kbrooks> Comco: it is NOT spyware, what makes you think it is
[11:58] <rss> propagandhi: your nick is funny
[11:58] <Comco> kbrooks: i dont think it is!
[11:58] <nevyn> ThePyromaniac: sure but you need a full 32bit system then
[11:58] <topyli> Comco: how's that?
[11:58] <slept> electron,  pasted the part that might be of intrest fo you
[11:58] <electron> I might reboot
[11:59] <propagandhi> rss: how so good sir?
[11:59] <ThePyromaniac> nevyn ok, doh nevermind
[11:59] <nevyn> ThePyromaniac: you can't install a 32bit kernel on a 64bit install
[11:59] <mwe> yannux: ping
[11:59] <mllr> thepyromaniac: but why 32 on 64?
[11:59] <rss> rss: very good
[11:59] <kbrooks> nevyn: he fricking can
[11:59] <ThePyromaniac> having a begger of a time trying to get flash player and win32 codecs working
[11:59] <ThePyromaniac> flash worked on hoary, now doesnt on breezy
[11:59] <nevyn> ThePyromaniac: they won't
[11:59] <slept> electron, you can restart networking
[11:59] <kbrooks> 64 is backward compat with 32
[11:59] <nevyn> kbrooks: sure.
[11:59] <nevyn> but the KERNEL needs to be 64bit
[11:59] <propagandhi> rss: its a band also
[11:59] <rss> propagandhi: portmanteau of Propaganda and Gandhi
[12:00] <kbrooks> nevyn: no it doesnt
[12:00] <propagandhi> i cant say  i thought it up
[12:00] <ThePyromaniac> nevyn gotcha, know anyone thats made a breezy package for flash? someone did for hoary
[12:00] <kbrooks> 64 bit can be mixed with 32
[12:00] <nevyn> kbrooks: if libc is 64bit then I thought it did
[12:00] <nevyn> kbrooks: yeah but only down
[12:00] <ThePyromaniac> kbrooks it can? :D
[12:00] <Ng> you can install a 64bit libc and a 32bit libc
[12:00] <nevyn> so if you have a 64bit kernel libc etc.. you can run a 32bit application
[12:00] <propagandhi> I just cant believe someone attempted to class ubuntu as spyware
[12:00] <Ng> then you can run either
[12:01] <kbrooks> nevyn: *if libc is 32bit*
[12:01] <ThePyromaniac> i have lib32 in my root
[12:01] <propagandhi> Comco: see
[12:01] <m0zone> sup
[12:01] <ThePyromaniac> didnt put it there... lol
[12:01] <rss> propagandhi: who did it?
[12:01] <yannux> mwe, :)
[12:01] <kbrooks> Comco
[12:01] <propagandhi> rss: the band did it
[12:01] <Comco> propagandhi: as ok
[12:01] <nevyn> kbrooks: but can a 32bit libc exec 64bit applications?
[12:01] <Comco> ah
[12:01] <yannux> mwe, so
[12:01] <Comco> kbrooks: yes?
[12:01] <mwe> yannux: I had to answer the phone. did you run the command I suggested?
[12:01] <kbrooks> nevyn: Doubt it. why would it
[12:01] <Ng> nevyn: no
[12:02] <nevyn> which is what I was saying
[12:02] <Q-FUNK> is there any SVG version of the ubuntu circle logo somewhere?
[12:02] <Bergcube> I have a machine that dual-boots Ubuntu and WinXP.  I can see an icon for the XP partition on the desktop and the mount command shows it's mounted R/W.  Even so I get errors saying I lack the permission to access it....
[12:02] <yannux> mwe, yes :)
[12:02] <Ng> if this is amd64 related, install the 32bit unless you know why you need 64bit ;)
[12:02] <yannux> mwe, #flood
[12:02] <nevyn> Ng: just clarifying.
[12:02] <Ng> fair enough :)
[12:02] <nevyn> I need 64bit.. want to use the registers :)
[12:02] <nevyn> more registers good.
[12:02] <Morrowyn> does any perhaps know this, i have 2 screen in x11 , can i turn off 1 display during my x11 session, so that my desktop shrinks from 2560 width to 1280 width ?
[12:03] <ThePyromaniac> guys, please sign here http://www.petitiononline.com/lin64swf/petition-sign.html?
[12:03] <johnsie2> Kwrite has added lots of dots into my cgi script.... how do i get it to open scripts without it putting loads of dots in there?
[12:04] <propagandhi> ThePyromaniac: if i do will they take my kidneys
[12:04] <mllr> thepyromaniac: ditto.
[12:04] <Orborde> Is there any way I can do something like mount -t sftp or mount -t ssh or something?
[12:04] <rss> johnsie2: those are not real dots... they show that there is gap in between
[12:04] <Siropel> is it safe to upgrade from ubuntu 4 to 5.10 ?
[12:04] <ThePyromaniac> only one of them
[12:05] <Orborde> I'm trying to access a network share on my school network, and using -t smb is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay slow.
[12:05] <propagandhi> ThePyromaniac: then its worth it
[12:05] <johnsie2> yeah but it annoys me.... lol
[12:05] <nevyn> -t cifs
[12:05] <Ng> nevyn: yeah, the 64bit mode is faster, it's just a pita if you want to use 32bit proprietary code/plugins ;/
[12:06] <johnsie2> Got rid of them :-)
[12:06] <rss> johnsie2: cool
[12:06] <chicken-man> how do i delete a partition ?
[12:07] <Orborde> nevyn: cifs?
[12:07] <johnsie2> I got enough crap in my code without having to worry about random dots all over the place hehe
[12:07] <Siropel> is it safe to upgrade from ubuntu 4 to 5.10 ?
[12:08] <nevyn> Orborde: comon internet filesystem
[12:08] <nevyn> Orborde: smb is deprecated
[12:08] <kbrooks> Siropel: this isnt windows
[12:09] <Siropel> so the answer is ... ?:D
[12:09] <nevyn> BradZ: boo
[12:09] <chicken-man> how do i delete a partition ?
[12:10] <dazvid> nevyn, where you at?
[12:10] <johnsie2> you can do it from an ubuntu CD chicken man
[12:10] <BradZ> hey nevyn :-)
[12:10] <nevyn> dazvid: melbourne
[12:10] <kbrooks> Siropel: so the answer is yes
[12:10] <dazvid> Where in melb?
[12:10] <chicken-man> it don't work it won't delete a BSD partition
[12:10] <kbrooks> !breezy
[12:10] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[12:10] <johnsie2> but I'm sure theres prolly an easier way
[12:11] <dazvid> nevyn, where in melb?
[12:11] <jhank> hey mate, another aussie
[12:11] <nevyn> coburg
[12:11] <johnsie2> i dunno then.... I'm a  newbie :-)
[12:11] <kbrooks> johnsie2: this isnt fedora
[12:11] <Siropel> thq kbrooks
[12:11] <Orborde> nevyn: Thanks.
[12:11] <dazvid> nevyn, reason I ask is I have a friend named "neven" just thought it would be weird if it was you. hah
[12:11] <nevyn> not me
[12:11] <kbrooks> johnsie2: where u have to "upgrade" by re d/ling the cd
[12:12] <kbrooks> and rebooting the cd
[12:12] <nevyn> real name is in whois
[12:12] <dazvid> ah k
[12:12] <kbrooks> and ... well, too much hassle ;)
[12:12] <rss> what is an aussie?
[12:12] <kbrooks> rss: australian
[12:12] <dazvid> rss, a person from australia
[12:12] <rss> oh
[12:12] <ubuntunewbie2> What's the minimum system requirments for breezy ? Can breezy be installed on a 300 mhz 64 mb system ?
[12:12] <Comco> rss: you didn't know that? lol
[12:12] <johnsie2> no but if you have a a cd that works ;-)
[12:12] <dazvid> Its a slang term :)
[12:13] <kbrooks> ubuntunewbie2: 300 MB hd?
[12:13] <rss> is it offensive?
[12:13] <ubuntunewbie2> 300 mhz
[12:13] <nevyn> ubuntunewbie2: I wouldn't
[12:13] <Comco> no way, we call ourselves that mate
[12:13] <kbrooks> rss: no it isnt
[12:13] <Comco> rss: more like a compliment...well that's how we choose to take it... ;)
[12:13] <jhank> hehe that's right comco
[12:13] <kbrooks> ubuntunewbie2: how big is the hd
[12:13] <propagandhi> unless the word bloody precedes it
[12:14] <kbrooks> brb
[12:14] <nevyn> at the other end.. why am I having issues installing ubuntu on a 3ghz socket 775 celeron on a 945 Intel M/B?
[12:14] <rss> what about Pommy?
[12:14] <ubuntunewbie2> 3 gb
[12:14] <nevyn> reading IDE get's screwed up.
[12:14] <dazvid> rss, thats a tricky one. We call the english pommy, but the english call us pommy
[12:14] <Comco> rss: what about pommy?
[12:14] <propagandhi> rss: you;d have to ask a pommy
[12:14] <rss> aussies are called pommies...
[12:15] <propagandhi> rss: i havent been called a pommy to date
[12:15] <ajmitch_> rss: the term 'aussie' is only offensive when applied to kiwis ;)
[12:15] <vnpaven> Can you install Ubuntu from harddisk?
[12:15] <ajmitch_> anyway, it's a bit OT
[12:15] <Comco> dazvid: are yes, i had this argument with an..englishwoman  while i was in canada. she called me a pommy to which i replied, "no...YOU are a pommy, you silly pommy"
[12:15] <rss> whole conversation was OT
[12:15] <propagandhi> lol
[12:15] <bimberi> ajmitch_: West Islanders :P
[12:15] <vnpaven> lozl
[12:15] <rss> etymology is...
[12:15] <xvlun> re
[12:16] <rss> Prisoners of Her/His Majesty became POHM which transformed into POMMY
[12:16] <Comco> She claimed i was called a pom because i am a "prisoner of mother england"...to which i replied that if I'm the prisoner, how come she's still stuck in england while we all live on a tropical island paradise?
[12:16] <Comco> hehe
[12:16] <dazvid> heh nice ;P
[12:16] <rss> prisoners were exiled from England to australia
[12:16] <vnpaven> Please help me
[12:17] <vnpaven> I want to install ubuntu from harddisk :(
[12:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> they was bad
[12:17] <rss> prisoners built australia
[12:17] <chicken-man> how do i delete a partition ?
[12:17] <Comco> rss: thanks for teaching my about my own history dude
[12:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> rss yet australia is so freakin gorgeous and nice
[12:17] <propagandhi> dodgeridoo: a fake indigenous artefact
[12:17] <Comco> rss: prisoners settled australia, religious zelots settled america...and yet, you have a higher murder rate per capita than us...go figure...hehe
[12:18] <_mindspin> vnpaven: what do you mean from harddisK?
[12:18] <rob^> this is a little off topic
[12:18] <Comco> rss: sorry...i assumed you were american...may not be true
[12:18] <rob^> -> #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:18] <alexissoft> hi
[12:18] <rss> rss: not true
[12:18] <rss> rss: we share the same wealth
[12:18] <chicken-man> how do i delete a partition ?
[12:18] <rss> rss: commonwealth :o)
[12:19] <rss> Comco: Commonwealth... irssi is driving me crazy
[12:19] <Comco> rss: irssi?
[12:19] <ajmitch_> rss: come on, getting increasingly off-topic :P
[12:19] <rss> yes
[12:19] <rss> that is what makes irc channels interesting
[12:19] <Comco> uh huh
[12:20] <rss> off-topic and offensive messages rule!
[12:20] <chicken-man> how do i delete a partition ?
[12:20] <ajmitch_> rss: annoying ops isn't a good way to make things 'interesting' though
[12:20] <rob^> there is a channel -> #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:20] <rob^> take it there
[12:20] <_mindspin> chicken-man: cfdisk ?
[12:20] <rob^> chicken-man, try gparted
[12:21] <rss> ajmitch_: you are a mortal chatter like myself :P
[12:21] <propagandhi> #ubuntu-wont-have-us
[12:21] <Comco> haha
[12:21] <rob^> this is a help channel
[12:21] <rob^> not a discussion channel
[12:21] <Comco> #ubuntu-rebellion-begins-at-home
[12:21] <chicken-man> ahhhh thanks :-P
[12:22] <rss> rob^: I was helping myself to some nonsense
[12:22] <rob^> rss do it elsewhere
[12:22] <rss> rob^: sure
[12:23] <sigwada> its my five days working with my torrent files and i cant open it.
[12:24] <dazvid> For anyone who wants to chat offtopic, join #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:24] <kbrooks> sigwada: then install bittorrent
[12:24] <propagandhi> or come join us in #ubuntu-wont-have-us
[12:24] <sigwada> how can i get one? is there any command to get bittorent?
[12:25] <nevyn> so anyone seen issues with all DI based disks on intel 945
[12:25] <kbrooks> sigwada: synaptic
[12:25] <nnn> How I can use Flash Drive USB in Ubuntu 5.10???
[12:26] <rss> nnn: just plug it in
[12:26] <mahangu> nnn, just plug
[12:26] <mahangu> :D
[12:26] <rss> nnn: you will see a window of the file manager pop up
[12:26] <sigwada> what will i do with synaptic? im i newbie here in ubuntu, im not yet familliar. what will i do to synaptic to get bittorrent?
[12:26] <mahangu> rss, i LOVE saying that
[12:26] <mahangu> don't you? :)
[12:26] <rss> mahangu: ya!
[12:26] <mahangu> sigwada, bit torrent ships with ubuntu
[12:26] <mahangu> Applications -> Internet -> GNOME Bittorrent
[12:26] <mahangu> :)
[12:26] <rss> mahangu: plug and pray
[12:27] <mahangu> rss, i like saying that too
[12:27] <mahangu> haha
[12:27] <mahangu> MS is that
[12:27] <mahangu> plug and pray
[12:27] <mahangu> and then hunt for drivers for 4 days
[12:27] <mahangu> :)
[12:27] <nnn> rss: I can'e see anything???
[12:27] <sigwada> i dont see any bittorent in application>internet>
[12:27] <silent_scream> my prob: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=374595 thanx in advance..
[12:28] <mahangu> nnn, check in Places -> Computer
[12:28] <Phr0zenKore> lol, i have some tips for people who have to download big books
[12:28] <Phr0zenKore> put it in a file and wget -i download
[12:28] <Phr0zenKore> xD
[12:29] <nnn> mahangu: I understand... but NO nothing...
[12:29] <mahangu> nnn, wierd man, are you sure the USB slots work?
[12:29] <mahangu> what's the brand of the drive?
[12:29] <mahangu> ubuntu has found EVERYTHING i give it
[12:29] <mahangu> including webcams
[12:29] <rob^> signius, its there
[12:30] <sigwada> i really want to open my torrent files, and i download a bittorent client but when i install any theres an error. how could i resolve my problem?
[12:30] <nnn> mahangu: Yes ... in Windows I can use it
[12:30] <mahangu> sigwada, like I said Applications -> Internet ->GNOME Bit torrent
[12:30] <mahangu> simple and sweet .torrent client
[12:30] <mahangu> nnn, i asked the brand name
[12:30] <strannik> hello guys
[12:30] <nnn> mahangu:
[12:30] <mahangu> nnn, WTF
[12:30] <nnn> mahangu: EasyDisk
[12:31] <mahangu> oh
[12:31] <mahangu> mmm
[12:31] <mahangu> is that the make?
[12:31] <mahangu> like Kingston
[12:31] <strannik> could somebody tell me this: i typed sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[12:31] <nnn> mahangu: may be I must load some modules ???
[12:31] <rob^> strannik, read wiki.ubuntu.com/restrictedformats
[12:31] <mahangu> nnn, probably not mate
[12:31] <mahangu> im clueless, ask around
[12:31] <mahangu> ill bbiab
[12:31] <sigwada> yeah but there is no gnome-bittorent in application>internet , it means that there is no bittorent or not yet install.
[12:32] <mahangu> gotta run out now
[12:32] <mahangu> sorry, good luck
[12:32] <mahangu> ubotu, tell strannik about RestrictedFormats
[12:32] <strannik> ok, thank you
[12:32] <rob^> sigwada, click on bittorrent
[12:32] <nnn> mahangu: what name of device in /dev folder use USB flash ... sda?
[12:32] <mahangu> nnn, yeah
[12:32] <mahangu> /dev/sda1
[12:32] <rob^> sigwada, its installed by default
[12:32] <mahangu> /dev/sda2 etc
[12:33] <mahangu> rob^, he's saying it's not there
[12:33] <rob^> mahangu, it would only not be there if he uninstalled it
[12:33] <BradZ> has anyone else got severe nautilus instability on breezy/ppc?
[12:33] <mahangu> rob^, yeah true, i dunno..
[12:33] <BradZ> eek, horrible.
[12:33] <bimberi> gasp https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats features marillat a lot
[12:33] <nnn> mahangu: device not exist... it write me
[12:34] <rob^> sigwada, open a terminal and type gnome-btdownload
[12:34] <nnn> mahangu: I think load some module?
[12:34] <sigwada> bash: gnome-btdownload: command not found
[12:34] <sigwada> thats my problem
[12:35] <dazvid> sigwada, in "Applications > internet" my gnome bit torrent is just called "Bittorrent"
[12:35] <mahangu> nnn, uh no idea mate
[12:35] <MachineScrew> any one looking to run VMware in breezy look here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65638
[12:35] <mahangu> !usb
[12:35] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, mahangu
[12:35] <kbrooks> sigwada:
[12:35] <rob^> sigwada, in a terminal type: sudo apt-get install gnome-btdownload
[12:35] <MachineScrew> it may be the preview but it still should work
[12:35] <kbrooks> sudo apt-get install bittorrent
[12:36] <strannik> heh, in windows i always used cracked soft....ok will work with the replacements
[12:36] <MachineScrew> any one know how to chane gnome-btdownload ports ?
[12:37] <sikor_sxe> yesterday i updated to breezy and now i can't use ndiswrapper anymore. i installed the kernel headers, but it compiling the module still fails
[12:37] <sikor_sxe> :/
[12:38] <MachineScrew> sikor_sxe: why are you compileing the drivers
[12:38] <Antioch> erm, how do you install the devlopment base tools pack?
[12:38] <MachineScrew> sikor_sxe: there in the repos
[12:38] <sigwada> theres an error msg. Package gnome-btdownload is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:39] <kbrooks> sigwada: apt-cache search bt
[12:39] <kbrooks> erm
[12:39] <MachineScrew> any one know how to get gnome-btdownload to change the default port
[12:39] <aftertaf> how do you set an executable setuid root in console?
[12:40] <MachineScrew> I am not trying to repeat
[12:40] <sikor_sxe> MachineScrew: the ndiswrapper package simply puts a src tar.bz2 in /usr/src/
[12:40] <sikor_sxe> MachineScrew: and it is quite outdated
[12:40] <MachineScrew> sikor_sxe: the one I have works fine and it's 1.2
[12:40] <sikor_sxe> but the provided package won't compile either
[12:40] <kbrooks> sigwada: apt-cache search bt | cut -d- -f1 | xargs apt-cache policy
[12:40] <sikor_sxe> MachineScrew: oh
[12:41] <MachineScrew> sikor_sxe: and it actualy gave me the drivers
[12:41] <sikor_sxe> MachineScrew: which repo do i have to add then?
[12:41] <MachineScrew> sikor_sxe: universe i believe
[12:42] <MachineScrew> sikor_sxe: also there is a neat little gtk app do a serch for ndis in synaptic is't awsome
[12:42] <propagandhi> i thought ndiswrapper just compiles a kernel module
[12:43] <MachineScrew> sikor_sxe: no need for the console open the app and it asks where the inf file is and once done you hit install and it works
[12:43] <MachineScrew> propagandhi: nope
[12:43] <MachineScrew> ndiswrapper is a kernel module that is a bin pakage there are source drivers but I don't mess with those unless I need to
[12:43] <propagandhi> well, when i used ndiswrapper to get a billion usb wireless adapter working, i used modprobe afterwards, isnt that loading a kernel module
[12:44] <MachineScrew> propagandhi: yes it loads one but dosn't compile one
[12:44] <propagandhi> ok
[12:45] <agt> Sry this isn't ubuntu-specific, but whats a good MP3 tagger for Linux ?
[12:45] <MachineScrew> also there is I forget the name of it but ndisgtk and it will install modprobe it and hotplug it for you
[12:46] <MachineScrew> agt: easytag
[12:46] <Ng> agt: easytag and cantus are both very capable
[12:46] <davmor2> I'm having a problem with glxgears it runs but not at speed it should and beacuse of it cedega doesn't work properly.  Is this just down to the X stuff moving?
[12:46] <MachineScrew> agt: it can get infor from cddb
[12:46] <MachineScrew> any one know how to chane gnome-btdownload ports ?
[12:46] <agt> MachineScrew, Ng, Thanks, off to investigate :)
[12:46] <Ng> davmor2: glxgears doesn't run at unlimited speed and print out fps anymore, if you're using breezy.
[12:46] <MachineScrew> ok
[12:47] <sikor_sxe> MachineScrew: i have added universe, and there is no ndiswrapper binary module
[12:47] <Ng> MachineScrew: gnome-btdownload -minport 6661 -maxport 6669
[12:47] <Ng> MachineScrew: or whatever
[12:47] <MachineScrew> Ng thanks
[12:47] <Nobodyreal> My clock is about 15 hours fast even after running ntpdate.  I've made sure I'm in the right timezone.  Anybody have ideas?
[12:47] <MachineScrew> sikor_sxe: one sec
[12:48] <davmor2> Ng thanks but cedega tries to use it then it comes up with no 3d acceleration
[12:48] <Ng> davmor2: ?!
[12:48] <Ng> davmor2: is that point2play or something?
[12:48] <Ng> cedega has never tried to spawn glxgears for me
[12:48] <davmor2> Ng and yes I'm running breezy
[12:48] <electron__> hi, I get an error when trying to ssh
[12:48] <MachineScrew> sikor_sxe: the thing you want is called ndiswrapper-utils
[12:48] <Ng> Nobodyreal: what does "sudo ntpdate -b ntp2.ja.net" say?
[12:48] <electron__>   WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!
[12:49] <davmor2> Ng yes point to play small as I'm running 64bit
[12:49] <MachineScrew> hell it's on the cd I forgot
[12:49] <electron__> Please contact your system administrator.
[12:49] <electron__> Add correct host key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message.
[12:49] <electron__> RSA host key for <IP_ADDRESS> has changed and you have requested strict checking.
[12:49] <rob^> electron__, some could be doing something nasty, or the server has been changed/reinstalled
[12:49] <Ng> davmor2: pass, it's a problem Transgaming will need to fix. You can just invoke cedega from the command line if you want
[12:49] <MachineScrew> sikor_sxe: just do sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[12:49] <electron__> Nah
[12:49] <electron__> I just set it up
[12:50] <davmor2> Ng how
[12:50] <MachineScrew> sikor_sxe: that should be all you need
[12:50] <Nobodyreal> Ng, it says time server offset -54006.965032 sec
[12:50] <electron__> rob^, so how do I get it working again?
[12:50] <Ng> davmor2: cedega ~/.transgaming/c_drive/wherever/the/game/is/installed.exe
[12:50] <electron__> It gave me a fingerprint, is that the one I need to add?
[12:50] <rob^> electron__, you might have an old certificate for that ip address
[12:50] <MachineScrew> sikor_sxe: if you want a gui add ndisgtk after it
[12:50] <davmor2> Ng ta
[12:50] <rob^> electron__, adding it might help
[12:51] <electron__> I just install Ubuntu
[12:51] <Ng> Nobodyreal: did it say "step time server" first?
[12:51] <electron__> The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is ******************************888
[12:51] <Ng> Nobodyreal: and does it say a similar number if you run it a second time?
[12:51] <MachineScrew> sikor_sxe: so sudo ndiswrapper-utils ndisgtk
[12:51] <electron__> Add correct host key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message.
[12:51] <MachineScrew> that will get you the drivers and the gui
[12:52] <electron__> so I add THAT key to /root/.ssh/known_hosts on the machine I am TRYING to ssh or THIS machine?
[12:52] <Nobodyreal> It did say step time server.  Running it a second time says "timestamp too far in the future" and my clock is right now.
[12:52] <rob^> electron__, the server
[12:52] <[LethAL] > Are there any NTFS RW Drivers that work with Ubuntu? I need to rename one file...
[12:52] <rob^> electron__, there is a command to do it also
[12:52] <Ng> Nobodyreal: bizarre, but at least it's right :)
[12:53] <Nobodyreal> Thanks, Ng ^^
[12:53] <Ng> Nobodyreal: you might want to look at installing ntp-server, it will sit in the background and keep you in time
[12:53] <MachineScrew> sikor_sxe: you find it
[12:53] <sikor_sxe> i'm on it
[12:53] <electron__> rob^, what is the command?
[12:54] <sikor_sxe> it's a bit messy. i think i compiled a module with the old kernel sources
[12:54] <rob^> electron__, gpg --import
[12:54] <kbrooks> How do I use scp?
[12:54] <MachineScrew> Ng:  is there a way i can get it to run with the ports I need by default
[12:54] <Hendric> is there a CD version of the DVD pack???
[12:55] <Bergcube> [LethAL] ~  I don't know about Ubuntu, but you can du it with the Linspire live CD.
[12:55] <rob^> kbrooks, gftp or via nautilus
[12:55] <[LethAL] > Bergcube, My CD Burner doesn't work with my CD's in Ubuntu
[12:55] <[LethAL] > Or in Windows, which isn't booting anyway
[12:56] <Hendric> [LethAL]  maybe you were burning them the wrong way
[12:56] <MachineScrew> sikor_sxe: the ubuntu doc in the wiki would have told you about ndiswrapper-utils
[12:56] <electron__> still getting the message
[12:56] <electron__> you sure I don't have to do it on this box?
[12:56] <Ng> MachineScrew: I would say your two easiest options are 1) write a script that calls gnome-btdownload with those parameters and passes on whatever file/url it was called with, 2) Install a more complicated BitTorrent client that will let you configure it
[12:56] <[LethAL] > Hendric, Well it doesn't seem to have anything to do with Ubuntu, but they worked before
[12:56] <Bergcube> [LethAL] ~  Yikes...  Well, then you're up the famous creek I guess.
[12:56] <rob^> electron__,  you have to use the gpg command on the client box
[12:57] <MachineScrew> sikor_sxe: don't make things harder than they need to be :-)
[12:58] <sikor_sxe> rebooting...
[12:58] <electron__> rob^, when I do the command, it just hangs there, doesn't finish
[12:59] <electron__> STILL doing it
[12:59] <electron__> pice of shit
[12:59] <rob^> electron__, you have to also give it a keyfile
[12:59] <Hylas> Anyone know a diagnostic tool for WD sata drives in linux?
[01:01] <rob^> electron__, you could also do: gpg --trusted-key long key ID
[01:01] <electron__> ohhh
[01:02] <electron__> It says its not a valid long key id
[01:02] <electron__> geez this is shitting me
[01:02] <electron__> I think I will just use telnet
[01:02] <rob^> electron__, you have to give it the long key id from the server
[01:02] <electron__> how?
[01:03] <rob^> ssh should just import it
[01:03] <electron__> so ssh this box from the server?
[01:03] <electron__> then do that command with the key it spits out?
[01:03] <rob^> you must have sshed into another box with the same ip address or something
[01:03] <learn25> Help! How to rerset my evolution mail account settings?
[01:03] <learn25> Help! How to reset my evolution mail account settings?
[01:03] <electron__> maybe
[01:03] <mwe> don't repeat
[01:03] <rob^> learn25, just go into the setting and delete the setting
[01:04] <learn25> ok
[01:04] <rob^> then click on new to set up a new email account
[01:04] <rob^> s/setting/account
[01:04] <learn25> thanks guys!
[01:05] <rob^> np
[01:05] <tolle> Anyone here know how I can apply my procmail filters to a already existing mailbox?
[01:05] <rob^> tolle, try #procmail
[01:06] <tolle> I know I should use formail, and my guess is formail -ssomethingmore themailbox |procmail
[01:06] <tolle> rob^: well, could be smart yes.
[01:06] <rob^> heh
[01:06] <rob^> that would be your best bet :)
[01:06] <electron__> I really hope I can get ssh working so I don't have to use a monitor on the server, it's just the guts inside a VCR box
[01:06] <Skibadee> hi all who can give me the server name of the german ubuntu irc ?? please
[01:06] <electron__> laying on my loungeroom floor
[01:07] <rob^> !gr
[01:07] <ubotu> rob^: Do they come in packets of five?
[01:07] <rob^> grr
[01:07] <rob^> !ge
[01:07] <ubotu> rob^: Are you on ritalin?
[01:07] <rob^> dam
[01:09] <Acill> need some help fixing a use login problem
[01:11] <mwe> you need to be more specific
[01:12] <Antioch> how do you install the basic development tools package?
[01:12] <Antioch> where is it locateD?
[01:12] <mwe> aptitude install build-essential
[01:12] <wickedpuppy> Antioch, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:12] <Antioch> thanks, I forgot the name!
[01:13] <Acill> whhen I first got my install booted I had a ser account named guest. It was an account with admin access. I booted into that one, made a new user account for myself, changed the root password to a new one and restricted the guest account. When I log in as paul )the new user account) I have no home dor and it asks if I want to use the root home dor. It fails and wont log in. How can I get in as root or make that user account able to have admin
[01:13] <Acill>  again to create another user that works?
[01:14] <ompaul> Acill, got a live CD ?
[01:14] <ompaul> Acill, actually forget that
[01:14] <Acill> a gentoo one, and I have 2 other working linux installs on that drive
[01:15] <ompaul> Acill, as the machine is booting press esc at the start - go into single usermode and enjoy your visudo
[01:15] <Acill> done
[01:16] <Acill> as the ubuntu is booting?
[01:16] <Acill> I am using a Pegasos machine so this is PPC ununtu
[01:16] <Hylas> Anyone know a diagnostic tool for WD sata drives in linux?
[01:16] <electron__> hmmm, ssh is fucked on my server
[01:16] <electron__> Robi, I done that command and it said it's not a valid key
[01:17] <mwe> Acill: you're not supposed to log in as root, if you can avoid it. log in as a user and use sudo or su -
[01:18] <Acill> mwe: I an log in as guest still fine
[01:18] <Acill> I just cant make any new users now with that accounts access
[01:19] <Acill> I am not a good linux user so I need some help on the sudu
[01:19] <mwe> Acill: and you can't su? you said you set up a root password
[01:19] <Acill> from gnome
[01:19] <rss> Acill: does Pegasus has PPC laptops?
[01:19] <Acill> not yet rss
[01:19] <rss> Acill: s/has/have
[01:20] <CookedGryphon> when i log in it says that my ~/.dmrc file needs user and 644 permissions, i've looked thru the man pages but i'm still not sure what command to use
[01:20] <rss> Acill: what is the website of pegasus?
[01:20] <mwe> Acill: open a terminal and type su - and give it the root password you set up, though ubuntu recommends disabling root login
[01:20] <Skid> CookedGryphon: chmod
[01:20] <CookedGryphon> Skid, chmod what?
[01:20] <Acill> mwe:pegasosppc.org
[01:20] <Skid> CookedGryphon: is the command to change file permissions? :P
[01:20] <electron__> If I do 'apt-get install telnetd' will it start the daemon on system startup?
[01:21] <Skid> chmod <blah> file
[01:21] <CookedGryphon> Skid lol what's teh blah tho
[01:21] <t> hi, are those free shippings for real? i entered my address a while ago
[01:21] <rss> thanks... does it run ubuntu without any qualms?
[01:21] <Acill> mwe:so am I screwed here? I am on as guest now, at a gnome desktop
[01:21] <Skid> 644
[01:21] <t> 5.10 is released, right?
[01:21] <mwe> Acill: no
[01:21] <Acill> I just need to give it rights to create users.
[01:21] <CookedGryphon> i knew that it was somethign to do with chmod, i tried my username and jstu 644 and it dint work
[01:21] <mwe> Acill: you created a root password, right?
[01:21] <Acill> yes
[01:22] <mwe> Acill: then open a gnome terminal
[01:22] <mwe> Acill: then type su - and then the root password
[01:22] <Acill> well I went to the root user in the users admin area and changed the password to a new one
[01:22] <Acill> ok doing it
[01:22] <lorenzod> t, yes they are
[01:22] <lorenzod> t, and yes it is.
[01:22] <CookedGryphon> nvm, i trid chmod 644 .dmrc again, i'll jsut log otu n see if it worked
[01:22] <t> lorenzod, ok. should i expect to wait a lot more?
[01:23] <lorenzod> t, I had to wait a loooooong time for my Hoary disks.
[01:23] <lorenzod> Breezy was just about to be released when they came.
[01:23] <t> like a month?
[01:23] <t> :/
[01:23] <kbrooks> scp is so easy ;)
[01:23] <dbug> how can  i change terminal charset to iso-8859-15 for irssi ?
[01:23] <lorenzod> t, if you can, I suggest downloading the ISO.
[01:24] <kbrooks> kbrooks@kyleb:~ $ scp -2 -4 .ssh/id_rsa kab@shell.berlios.de:/home/users/kab/.ssh
[01:24] <kbrooks>
[01:24] <t> why dont they mention that when you enter your address??
[01:24] <Acill> damn, its looking like the password didnt work
[01:24] <Acill> I guess I screwed that up
[01:24] <mwe> Acill: no maybe it's because the guest user is not a member of the admin group
[01:24] <Acill> I was sure I did it, the other 2 linux installs (debian and gentoo) all worked fine and I did the same thing
[01:25] <lorenzod> t, I understand your frustration at having to wait. OTOH, they are free disks after all..
[01:25] <mwe> Acill: you don't have a user who is in the admin group?
[01:25] <t> i know, i shouldnt complain. i'll guess i'll download it in stead
[01:25] <t> thanks lorenzod
[01:25] <Acill> mwe:I removed the check box for guest to do admin stuff yes, thats the problem I have. The regular user I made isnt working. Its home dir issnt there
[01:25] <mwe> Acill: ok
[01:26] <mwe> Acill: you can type ctrl+alt+f1 to get a console login , then log in as root. ctrl+alt+f7 will bring you back to X
[01:26] <Acill> ok doing that
[01:27] <Acill> just a sec
[01:27] <Acill> ok in as root at that 2nd console
[01:27] <bigfoot1> how can i get gnome apps to open up the online help or "translate this app" in a new tab inside the same instance of opera browser? Because currently, a new instance of opera is opened.
[01:28] <hubuntu> hei.. im having a problem with ooo which seems to be cross-platform. An issue I should report... I was thinking about using the launchpad, but it seems not to be a project there yet. Anyone? (the issue is in the 2.x branch, not in the 1.1.x)
[01:28] <Acill> ok back at gnome again in the guest account it looks like still
[01:28] <mwe> Acill: yes you have to do your root stuff from the console
[01:28] <chrissturm> hey guys, when will the dapper drake feeds start?
[01:29] <Acill> so do I need to be back at that other console I opened ang logged in as root?
[01:29] <Acill> I have a terminal open in the guest account now
[01:29] <mwe> Acill: yes
[01:29] <lorenzod> chrissturm, they were supposed to open yesterday
[01:29] <lorenzod> but still waiting :-(
[01:30] <hubuntu> by the way... what backports repository can one use at the moment? are there any official backport available 8anytime soon?)?
[01:30] <hubuntu> hei.. im having a problem with OpenOffice.Org which seems to be cross-platform. An issue I should report... I was thinking about using the launchpad, but it seems not to be a project there yet. Anyone? (the issue is in the 2.x branch, not in the 1.1.x)
[01:30] <mwe> Acill: do what you need to do as root in the console outside X.
[01:30] <lorenzod> bigfoot1, I don't think you can ATPIT
[01:30] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: what's atpit+
[01:30] <bigfoot1> ?
[01:31] <mwe> Acill: what's the name of the user account that's broken?
[01:31] <lorenzod> at this point in time..
[01:31] <kbrooks> apt it*
[01:31] <Acill> mwe: paul
[01:31] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: but x-chat can open links inside it to a new tab in the same instance of opera.
[01:32] <lorenzod> bigfoot1, maybe you should file and enhancement request on it?
[01:33] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: file to whom? and if xchat can do it, cannot the other gnome programs?
[01:33] <lorenzod> bigfoot1, you'd post it on bugzilla.
[01:33] <lorenzod> And no, just because xchat can, it doesn't mean other Gnome apps can.
[01:33] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: why do you say so?
[01:34] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: don't i have just have to find the special syntax/argument/line to insert into the "preferred applications" blank for browser?
[01:35] <lorenzod> bigfoot1, you mean a command-line option that opens in a new tab.
[01:35] <lorenzod> that might work. I don't really use opera though.
[01:36] <lorenzod> bigfoot1, if you type opera -h in a terminal, does that give you a list of options?
[01:37] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: well, in xchat/url-handlers, the command for same-window-new-tab is !opera -remote 'openURL(%s,new-page)'
[01:38] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: okay, what happens if you use that as your default web browser?
[01:39] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: nothing happens. i guess it works in xchat but not in opera
[01:39] <bigfoot1> sorry: but not in "preferred applications"
[01:39] <lorenzod> Hm..
[01:40] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: output of opera -h is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3339. I'm a newbie and can't really make sense of it all. Could you take a look and decipher it?
[01:40] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: I guess you used option custom?
[01:40] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: checking..
[01:41] <dazvid> bigfoot that is just help
[01:41] <bigfoot1> anybody here use a program called gnome art (frontend application for art.gnome.org)?
[01:41] <bigfoot1> dazvid: are you referring to the output ?
[01:41] <dazvid> yeh
[01:42] <bigfoot1> dazvid: so what did you want to see?
[01:42] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: yes I do.
[01:42] <bigfoot1> dazvid: or what did you think you'd be seeing?
[01:42] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: you use gnome art? great.
[01:42] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: according to opera -h output, the command seems okay.
[01:42] <dazvid> oh sorry, it was for Lorenzod. My apologies :P
[01:43] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: okay, back to opera command. So which command shoudl i use in "preferred applications/browsers"?
[01:43] <thrillkill> HELP! have no sound with a new install of Ubuntu on a IBM 300PL?
[01:43] <lorenzod> Gnome art ==  great app written in a great language.
[01:43] <lorenzod> how about trying this then: opera -newpage ?
[01:45] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: can you try opera -newpage http://archive.ubuntu.com from a terminal?
[01:45] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: I'm so sorry for putting you to work. But thanks for confirming. I just checked the text I put into preferred apps, and I saw that I forgot the last quotation mark in      'openURL(%s,new-page)'     . I had 'openURL(%s,new-page)
[01:45] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: that's ok.
[01:45] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: now how do we use gnome art! It looks so pretty, but I can't seem to install a theme.
[01:46] <jo_e> hello.  I cannot use the "run as other user" command in the "system tools" menu as anyone but root.  I get "Unable to run /usr/bin/gksu: No such file or directory".  when I try to run gksu directly, I get a message about "Missing a command to run."
[01:46] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: for example, I'd like to install the tux N tosh icon theme
[01:46] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: I have probs with backgrounds, the rest works fine.
[01:46] <delmonico> jo_e: sudo apt-get install gksu?
[01:46] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: Ah yeah, Icon themes download, but don't install IIRC
[01:47] <jo_e> delmonico, I already have the latest version of gksu.
[01:47] <DjKritical> anyone know how to make gnome windows transparent?
[01:47] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: download the theme, then extract it to ~/.icons
[01:47] <DjKritical> I've seen it in screenshots before..
[01:47] <nexus-> jo_e: type which gksu and check where is it
[01:47] <nexus-> jo_e: then you can copy it over
[01:47] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: when i click install, i get the "Theme Preferences" app that pops up. You mean that Gnome Art can't do it all within itself?
[01:47] <electron__> how do I copy a directory?
[01:47] <avalost> DjKritical: gnome doesn't really have true transparency so it's a bit tough
[01:47] <funkyHat> how can i force ESD not to touch one of my soundcards?
[01:47] <jo_e> nexus-, it's in /usr/bin/gksu... so I should just download it and replace the binary?
[01:48] <avalost> electron__: cp dir/ newdir/
[01:48] <nexus-> jo_e: check the permissions on the binary
[01:48] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: Gnome art downloads/installs, then open theme prefs for you to select the theme
[01:48] <electron__> root@guardian:/cdrom # cp downloads/ /var/www/downloads
[01:48] <electron__> cp: omitting directory `downloads/'
[01:48] <jo_e> nexus-," -rwxr-xr-x", which seems right
[01:48] <lorenzod> It won't auto-select the new theme you install.
[01:48] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: we are talking about icon themes, yes?
[01:48] <ubuntunewbie2> can you have ubuntu as a thin client and windows Xp as a server ?
[01:48] <kbrooks> electron__: cp -R
[01:49] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: yes
[01:50] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: i cilcked download, and i had it save the bz2 file to my home directory, but when i go to home, it's not there!
[01:50] <avalost> bigfoot1: check home/user/Desktop
[01:50] <avalost> or /home/user/Downloads
[01:50] <avalost> the default dir is desktop
[01:50] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: yes check where the download went to.
[01:50] <nexus-> jo_e: hmm hmm, weird...
[01:51] <nexus-> jo_e: does which show that /usr/bin/gksu is being used?
[01:51] <jo_e> nexus-, it's only output is the path to the program.
[01:51] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: btw, can you confirm that you have a directory called ~/.icons
[01:52] <jo_e> its*
[01:52] <lorenzod> Because install should work,
[01:52] <lorenzod> but the directory needs to exist.
[01:53] <pef> hello
[01:53] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: I'm at the most UPpest directory (the one with bin, boot, cdrom, dev, etc home, ) and there's no .icons. I have already chosen to select hidden files/folders.
[01:53] <avalost> bigfoot1: you're in the wrong dir
[01:53] <bigfoot1> avalost: oh.
[01:53] <avalost> that's the root dir
[01:54] <bigfoot1> avalost: what does the tilde mean?
[01:54] <avalost> you shouldn't install there, should be in your /home/user dir
[01:54] <bigfoot1> ~
[01:54] <bigfoot1> ?
[01:54] <avalost> ~ indicates home
[01:54] <avalost> usually
[01:54] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: I just confirmed, install does work with icon themes.
[01:54] <bigfoot1> oh, i see .icons now
[01:55] <avalost> yes, I have had no probs with icons:
[01:55] <lorenzod> And do you have anyting in $HOME/.icons?
[01:55] <avalost> http://gawth.org/screens/blue.jpg
[01:55] <avalost> http://gawth.org/screens/blue2.jpg
[01:55] <avalost> http://gawth.org/screens/blue3.jpg
[01:55] <avalost> etc..
[01:55] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: i have the tux n Tosh folder
[01:55] <avalost> yeah, ls .icons/
[01:55] <avalost> bigfoot1: then it's installed
[01:55] <avalost> you need to go to theme editor and select the theme
[01:56] <bigfoot1> avalost: i see.
[01:56] <avalost> if in gnome: system > preferences > theme
[01:56] <avalost> once in theme go:
[01:56] <Hoxzer> somebody here has used gmailFS?
[01:57] <avalost> "theme details"
[01:57] <avalost> then you'll see an icon tab
[01:57] <nexus-> jo_e: hmmm no idea then :(
[01:57] <bigfoot1> avalente: lorenzod: do themes in gnome usually come as a set? I mean, let's say a TuxnTosh icons AND application AND window border AND splash screen AND login ?
[01:58] <avalost> bigfoot1: sometimes but not usually
[01:58] <bigfoot1> avalost: i see it!
[01:58] <avalost> normally you find the metacity/gtk2/icons you like and put them together
[01:58] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: some do, in a way.
[01:58] <iiiears> Good Morning :)
[01:59] <lorenzod> like clearlooks provides window decorations and gtk theme
[01:59] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: is gnome art application automatically updated?
[01:59] <avalost> www.gnome-look.org is a good place to get metacity / gtk / icon themes
[01:59] <avalost> also gdm themes and stuff
[01:59] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: no
[01:59] <avalost> pointers even
[01:59] <bigfoot1> avalost: what about gnome art program?
[01:59] <iiiears> !mp3
[01:59] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:59] <avalost> i never fiddle with gnome art, so I can't tell you
[02:00] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: so how do i get to "refresh" or "reload" gnome art, if you know what i mean?
[02:00] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: Gnome art currently only connects to art.gnome.org
[02:00] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: when you select something, it will begin downloading.
[02:00] <lorenzod> I mean updating.
[02:00] <lorenzod> In that way it is automatic.
[02:01] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: but what if someone at this moment adds their files to art.gnome.org? Will I instantly see it in gnome art program?
[02:01] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: so you mean the "download" button is useless?
[02:01] <sigwada> elow
[02:01] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: no I'm just expressing myself very poorly
[02:02] <lorenzod> I mean, any time you select a category, it will download a list of all items in the category.
[02:02] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: and that list will be the most current one?
[02:02] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: yes.
[02:02] <sigwada> how could i get bittorrent in my ubuntu coz its not available at application>internet ?
[02:02] <bigfoot1> avalost: so is gnome-look.org something like art.gnome.org?
[02:03] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: what does file/delete_cached_files do?
[02:03] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: gnome-look.org is similar in purpose to art.gnome.org
[02:04] <avalost> bigfoot1: yes, only larger
[02:04] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: so i guess it's not good to just use gnome_art program, because we may be missing out on other nice stuff found only at gnome-look.org
[02:04] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: I guess it deletes the .tar.bz2 archives
[02:04] <pcgenie> i did'nt know there were so many ubuntu-users
[02:04] <bigfoot1> pcgenie: there are more
[02:04] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: after the themes have been installed
[02:05] <electron__> Hey I am using the Ubuntu PPC Live CD but it can't access the net
[02:05] <bigfoot1> electron__: sudo pppoeconf
[02:05] <electron__> all the settings are correct, ifconfig, resolve.conf ect
[02:05] <electron__> It's on a network
[02:05] <electron__> It can ping and ssh
[02:05] <electron__> but just not internet
[02:06] <lorenzod> electron__, how do you access the Internet?
[02:06] <pcgenie> /j #ubuntu-dk
[02:06] <pcgenie> sorry
[02:06] <electron__> I have a gateway box with 56k modem sharing the internet
[02:06] <electron__> with Firewalk and ipmasq
[02:06] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: i would think that gnome-art would be smart enough to get rid of the bz2 files. Why isn't it automatic? And when should I use that feature+?
[02:06] <electron__> This box is on the network too
[02:06] <electron__> it works here
[02:06] <sigwada> anyone can teach me how to get a bittorent client? coz i dont have one.
[02:06] <electron__> but not on my laptop
[02:07] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: current Gnome Art is 0.2
[02:07] <electron__> sigwada, there should be one in gnome, internet
[02:07] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: but you're right it should be able to remove the .bz2 files automatically.
[02:07] <electron__> sigwada, GNOME BitTorrent
[02:08] <lorenzod> Then again, some people may want to keep the original archives as well.
[02:08] <sigwada> what is the commamnd line to get a gnome bittorrent?
[02:08] <majkel>  is there a tool for linux to convert mdf dvd images to iso ?????
[02:08] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: so when should i do "delete cached files"? for which of the categories?
[02:08] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: I think it deletes for all categories...
[02:09] <electron__> lorenzod, so...
[02:10] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: okay. Looks like fun with gnome_art. thanks for your time on opera and this.
[02:10] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: don't mention it..
[02:11] <lorenzod> electron__: what does route say?
[02:11] <chrissturm> what gstreamer version will dapper contain?
[02:12] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: um, i'm trying out LoginManagerThemes. I downloaded a theme. How do i use it?
[02:12] <Antioch> how does one "uninstall" prelinking?
[02:12] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: you need to open the login screen setup
[02:13] <pinucset> when openoffice2 will be released how can i update my openoffice2 beta of my ubuntu? Via apt-get update and upgrade will my oo2 beta be upgraded to oo2 stable release?
[02:13] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: ok. found it
[02:13] <lorenzod> Under system->administration.
[02:13] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: there should be a "install new theme" button somewhere
[02:14] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: oh, i see it!
[02:14] <electron__> lorenzod, <IP_ADDRESS> * <IP_ADDRESS> U 0 0 0 eth0
[02:14] <augustin> hello
[02:14] <electron__> lorenzod, default <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> UG 0 0 0 eth0
[02:14] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: after i install it, can i delete the downloaded file?
[02:14] <electron__> thats it
[02:15] <lorenzod> electron__, and what's the IP of your gateway box?
[02:15] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: yes you can.
[02:16] <electron__> <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:16] <electron__> so it should work
[02:16] <electron__> and the dns settings are correct too
[02:16] <sigwada> is it ok to download gnome-btdownload on ubuntu site?
[02:16] <lorenzod> electron__: yes it should
[02:16] <SpiderMan> Sorry can anyone tell me where to find the config file for xterm, looking to change the colours
[02:16] <electron__> is it a live cd thing?
[02:16] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: in gnome_art, the description_text of the stuff are cut event though the window is much bigger.
[02:16] <lorenzod> electron__: I've never used a PPC live CD, but the x86 ones work fine.
[02:17] <yannux> mwe, ping :)
[02:17] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: I guess it's clipping the string for the default window size.
[02:18] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: what do you mean? doesn't the full text get downloaded?
[02:18] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: It might get downloaded, but maybe the program then clips it.
[02:18] <lorenzod> I'll have to look at the sources to know.
[02:19] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: i think it's not a good idea for the program to clip it, if it indeed clips it.
[02:19] <Guest354> hi
[02:19] <augustin> i have trouble installing my wi-fi card, following the ubuntu HowTo and various things on the web... when i do "modprobe ndiswrapper", it hangs, and none of the solutions proposed online helped =/
[02:19] <cheemp> try to fit windows vista on a livecd.... haha
[02:19] <cheemp> barely fits on the install dvd
[02:19] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: I'm really not sure why the programmer chose to do it that way..
[02:20] <whk> 111
[02:20] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: maybe we can ask him to change it
[02:20] <cheemp> certainly can't fit windows vista and office 12 on 1 dvd
[02:20] <_dancer> ahm sorry. What is the German UBUNTU channel?
[02:20] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: actually, gnome art is written in the wonderful Ruby language.
[02:20] <lorenzod> Might toy around with it myself..
[02:20] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: i see.
[02:20] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: ruby seems to be the language of today
[02:21] <cheemp> i have yet to use ruby and python
[02:21] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: though i  can't speak it.
[02:21] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: ruby is definitely a nice language..
[02:21] <lorenzod> but "language of the day"?
[02:22] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: but suggesting your ideas to the author is always a good thing.
[02:22] <cheemp> Perl 6 is language of the day
[02:22] <bigfoot1> lorenzod:"language of today" just means that it seems to be what blogs and websites are talking about these days
[02:23] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: it's true. there's alot of talk about ruby and python these days
[02:23] <cheemp> until perl 6 comes out and rocks em
[02:23] <lorenzod> I personally prefer ruby, but that doesn't mean I dislike python.
[02:23] <bigfoot1> may the best language win!
[02:23] <cheemp> then all the oter languages will convert to run on parrot as well
[02:23] <iiiears> is there a handy command to restart the mouse? - using a kvm to switch between machines makes it jittery.
[02:23] <lorenzod> Or.. may freedom reign!
[02:24] <cheemp> then it will be parrot vs .net with mono stuck in between... prolly as crosscompiler hehe
[02:24] <lorenzod> cheemp: I'd like a version of .net that runs in parrot..
[02:25] <cheemp> mono will win, and novell will take over the world, and we'll all miss how nice billy really was
[02:25] <PalleLap> How to get transperant menu bar in gnome?
[02:25] <cheemp> in G2.12 transparent menu is fuxored
[02:25] <avalost> PalleLap: right click on it and adjust it's properties
[02:25] <augustin> i have trouble installing my wi-fi card, following the ubuntu HowTo and various things on the web... when i do "modprobe ndiswrapper", it hangs, and none of the solutions proposed online helped =/
[02:25] <sigwada> pls help i dont have any bittorent client.
[02:25] <cheemp> the unselected windows have no BG.. can't read text on a dark desktop image
[02:25] <iiiears> cheemp - did they fix the memory leak? in g2
[02:26] <augustin> the card is a DWL-G510 (rev C1)
[02:26] <cheemp> some of em :)
[02:26] <iiiears> hehe
[02:26] <sigwada> how could i get one?
[02:27] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: : i just downloaded a gtk engine theme. how to install please?
[02:27] <YukiIkyuta> sigwada' try googling "bittornado"
[02:28] <YukiIkyuta> augustin, which card?
[02:28] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: which engine? Are you sure it's not in the repos?
[02:28] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: i got the engine through gnome_art.
[02:28] <avalost> bigfoot1: if you open theme click install new theme, browse for its tar.gz and click install
[02:28] <augustin> YukiIkyuta, D-Link DWL-G510 (rev C1)
[02:29] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: I've never downloaded an engine from there.
[02:29] <YukiIkyuta> Hmm..
[02:29] <iiiears> bigfoot1, - use the themes tool in system preferences. - some themes aren't packaged correctly and won't install
[02:29] <avalost> that goes for generally any theme you want to install
[02:29] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: i see.
[02:29] <lorenzod> But I guess you've got a source package for a theme engine.
[02:29] <YukiIkyuta> OK.
[02:30] <iiiears> bigfoot1, - you can make them work though it isn't drag and drop. place them in the right directory.
[02:30] <YukiIkyuta> augustin, try the Madwifi driver.
[02:30] <bigfoot1> iiiears: you're talking about gnome_art and gtk engine themes, right?
[02:30] <YukiIkyuta> http://madwifi.otaku42.de/
[02:30] <iiiears> erm - yes.
[02:30] <augustin> YukiIkyuta, it explicitely states that rev C doesn't work =(
[02:30] <lorenzod> Hm. I just tried installing a theme engine, and it blew Gnome Art..
[02:30] <YukiIkyuta> Ah.
[02:30] <YukiIkyuta> ><
[02:30] <iiiears> are you using fce4?
[02:30] <YukiIkyuta> Sorry.
[02:30] <lorenzod> Not very nice to die on me like that!
[02:31] <bigfoot1> iiiears: are you talking to me?
[02:31] <iiiears> lol nvm - i need some coffee.
[02:31] <YukiIkyuta> There certainly seems to be less support for C ...
[02:31] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: maybe i should stay away from installing theme engines for now.
[02:31] <augustin> YukiIkyuta, yes =((
[02:32] <onkarshinde> If I search something in hoary-backports at packages.ubuntu.com then it shows me breezy results. Anyone know why?
[02:32] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: if it's the source for a theme engine, you'll have to compile it.
[02:32] <lorenzod> It's up to you if you feel up for it.
[02:32] <electron__> has anyone used a Sony Eyetoy as a webcam on Ubuntu?
[02:33] <YukiIkyuta> And linux-wlan certainly seems to exclude it.
[02:33] <electron__> It picks it up in hardware settings
[02:33] <electron__> but how can I view it
[02:33] <ian_> Hi - I've just tested the new Apple II keyboard with ubuntu and it works great, although some of the buttons dont work as they are specific to the Apple OS. Is there anyway I can reasign these buttons in ubuntu?
[02:33] <lawrence> did you have to change the plug so it will plug into your computer, ian?
[02:33] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: the package i got thru gnome_art had an "install" file within.
[02:34] <ian_> lawrence Not its a straight forward usb connection
[02:34] <ian_> lawrence "no"
[02:34] <YukiIkyuta> Brb...
[02:34] <lawrence> Imma get my own :D
[02:34] <iiiears> lawrence - what is that plug standard interface for apple called?
[02:35] <ian_> lawrence firewire?
[02:35] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: which theme engine did you download?
[02:35] <lawrence> haha.. well I thought they had their own plug..
[02:35] <lawrence> but I believe it's based on USB
[02:35] <YukiIkyuta> Back.
[02:36] <electron__> lawrence, it's just usb and firewire
[02:36] <lawrence> sweet.. I have both of them :D
[02:36] <sigwada> why is it i always encounter errors when installing bittorrent client like bittornado and bittorrent?
[02:36] <ubuntunewbie2> How do you remove applications in ubuntu to make it "thinner" ?
[02:36] <ubuntunewbie2> Kind of like and add/remove program
[02:37] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: gtk smooth engine
[02:37] <Bergcube> sigwada~  A Sillywood (Silicon Walley + Hollywood) conspiracy?
[02:37] <Ng> ubuntunewbie2: there's synaptic in System->Administration
[02:37] <iiiears> In the older apple i was given it is shaped differently than ps/2 - The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from - Pogo.
[02:37] <lawrence> System > Administration > Synaptic  I believe
[02:37] <lawrence> ahh.
[02:37] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: I'm not sure, but isn't smooth in the Ubuntu repos?
[02:37] <Ng> ubuntunewbie2: it will tell you what is going to be removed, so you can check that it doesn't remove anything you want
[02:37] <sigwada> what do you mean?
[02:37] <Ng> ubuntunewbie2: but do be careful :)
[02:38] <lawrence> haha!! here's a question how do you install Java?
[02:38] <nightswim> !java
[02:38] <ubotu> [java]  to install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadeb
[02:38] <augustin> YukiIkyuta when using ndiswrapper -l or the ndisgtk utility, it shows that my driver is loaded and the hardware is present, but still the card doesn't appear in the Networking utility of GNOME, and "iwconfig" returns only lo, sit0 and eth0 (which is my wired network card, disabled atm), none with "wireless extension"
[02:38] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: sorry i didn't check.
[02:38] <Bergcube> sigwada~  Nothing.  Simply making a lame joke, based on how all the big media-mongers want to force DRM on everything...
[02:39] <bigfoot1> lorenzod: would it be better to get it from repos?
[02:39] <lorenzod> bigfoot1: I'd check there first.
[02:39] <bigfoot1> ok
[02:39] <lawrence> who here's actually got java working in Linux?
[02:39] <rpintzke> hi
[02:39] <lorenzod> lawrence: I do.
[02:39] <lorenzod> 1. install java-package
[02:39] <onkarshinde> ubuntunewbie2: Do you mean you want to make it fast?
[02:39] <lorenzod> 2. download jdk from sun (.bin version)
[02:39] <sigwada> pls help, its my five days here in ubuntu but even now i cant still install a bittorrent client. asking for your assistance. tnx
[02:39] <aftertaf> sigwada:  open synaptic and search for 'torrent'
[02:40] <PalleLap> avalost, thanks :))
[02:40] <lorenzod> 3. do the make-jpkg dance
[02:40] <pou52> hi.. I wanted to update and got this messafe-->Unable to get exclusive lock
[02:40] <pou52> This usually means that another package management application (like apt-get or aptitude) already running. Please close that application first
[02:40] <Bergcube> sigwada~  Ubuntu does come with Gnome Bittorrent default.   It works like a charm for me.  Why not use that?
[02:40] <pou52> how do I close whatever was started?
[02:40] <aftertaf> pou52:  synaptic open?   a console running apt somewhere?
[02:40] <lawrence> Hmm.. I think I'll install Java now :D
[02:41] <onkarshinde> sigwada: which version of ubuntu?
[02:41] <lawrence> lorenzod, thanks
[02:41] <pou52> aftertaf.. I really dont know
[02:41] <sigwada> but i dont see any bittorrent here, others tell me that it is located at aplication>intenet, but i dont see any bittorent.
[02:41] <lorenzod> lawrence, np
[02:42] <onkarshinde> sigwada: It is not possible. It is installed by default.
[02:42] <aftertaf> pou52:  have you been doing anything apt-related in console or anything?
[02:42] <ian_> Anybody know how to change the default keyboard mappings in ubuntu?
[02:42] <YukiIkyuta> ian_, yes!
[02:42] <lorenzod> Bergcube: I'm a private dancer, a dancer for money..
[02:42] <YukiIkyuta> Which sort of mappings?
[02:42] <YukiIkyuta> As in, layout?
[02:42] <sigwada> how could i know the version of my ubuntu?
[02:42] <pou52> 2 days ago I started the update and I think I close by restarting computer. maybe something got corrupted?
[02:43] <YukiIkyuta> sigwada,  says at a console.
[02:43] <ian_> YukiIkyuta As in Im using the new Applie keyboard...
[02:43] <onkarshinde> sigwada: There is something called About Ubuntu in of the three menus.
[02:43] <ian_> which has buttons that are specific to Apple OS...
[02:43] <YukiIkyuta> sigwada, cat /etc/issue.net should tell you.
[02:44] <augustin> now when i "modprobe ndiswrapper" it says "FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted"
[02:44] <augustin> boohoohoo
[02:44] <YukiIkyuta> augustin, are you as root?
[02:44] <YukiIkyuta> ian_, ah ...
[02:44] <YukiIkyuta> It depends how the keyboard sends the signals, really. You may need a custom kernel driver to read them, if it's via USB or whatnot.
[02:44] <YukiIkyuta> Try googling?
[02:44] <augustin> YukiIkyuta, that's right... it is when i do it as root that it freezes
[02:45] <YukiIkyuta> augustin, the ndiswrapper driver is said to do that with your card.
[02:45] <YukiIkyuta> So I would assume it's not a good idea.
[02:45] <SpiderMan> Can anybody help me edit my sources.list, I have a local repository I would like to use, but its format is different to ubuntu's main repo's
[02:45] <sigwada> i got this ubuntu 4.10
[02:45] <ian_> YukiIkyuta Havent googled it yet, will take a peak thanks anyway.
[02:45] <augustin> YukiIkyuta, damn, i didn't read that...
[02:45] <ams_> When you partition your drive, what should I choose for linux files system and swap (beginning or end of drive)
[02:45] <YukiIkyuta> ian_, okay, good luck!
[02:46] <ams_> its a duel boot system if that matters
[02:46] <augustin> YukiIkyuta, must have missed it, that's what happen when you spend 4 hours straight going from site to site trying to find a solution =(
[02:46] <YukiIkyuta> augustin, aah, I see ><
[02:46] <sigwada> it means that it doesnt have a pre-installed bittorrent in my ubuntu 4.10?
[02:46] <YukiIkyuta> sigwada, right; but you can install it with synaptic, probably.
[02:46] <augustin> ok, so, simply put, i should phone my store and tell them i want the card changed, right ?
[02:46] <YukiIkyuta> 4.10 is pretty old ..
[02:46] <YukiIkyuta> augustin, if it's possible, that would be ideal!
[02:47] <augustin> i'll phone them
[02:47] <YukiIkyuta> Better yet; if you locate one on Ubuntu's driver list, tell them that you have a preferred one.
[02:47] <YukiIkyuta> Or if you get them to list what they have in stock, and see if any are definitely supported.
[02:47] <sigwada> pls help, what will i do with synaptic in order to get bittorrent? is there any command line to type?
[02:47] <basti__> Which is the easiest way to get sound in flash ?
[02:48] <cheemp> how do i aptitude install MYSQL 4.1 instead of MYSQL 4.0 ?
[02:48] <claes> sigwada, sudo aptitude install bittornado
[02:48] <YukiIkyuta> sigwada, synaptic is a graphical tool to install software. It should be System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager
[02:48] <Bergcube> sigwada~  Search in Synaptic.
[02:48] <cheemp> sigwada: there's a couple clients in syn or aptitude
[02:50] <YukiIkyuta> augustin, try this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[02:51] <iiiears> !flash
[02:51] <ubotu> I heard flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:51] <iiiears> oh well
[02:52] <augustin> ok, they were not too thrilled by the idea at first, but my unearthly rhetoric seems to have convinced them =D
[02:52] <YukiIkyuta> Nice!
[02:52] <augustin> now i have to check which card will work because they will certainly not accept it a second time =D
[02:52] <YukiIkyuta> Hah, good idea. ^^
[02:52] <augustin> one thing that might be problematic, though, is that i actually couldn't know it was rev C BEFORE opening the package
[02:52] <augustin> since it was only wirtten on a small leaflet
[02:53] <YukiIkyuta> Aah.
[02:53] <YukiIkyuta> Well.
[02:53] <YukiIkyuta> The DWL-G510 is not listed at all on the page above.
[02:53] <YukiIkyuta> So I suppose if it is to begin with, that's a good sign.
[02:53] <cheemp> does anyone know how to aptitude install MYSQL 4.1 instead of MYSQL 4.0 ? package name?
[02:53] <SpiderMan> Can anybody help me edit my sources.list, I have a local repository I would like to use, but its format is different to ubuntu's main repo's
[02:54] <spindel> cheemp: apt-get install mysql-4.1
[02:54] <YukiIkyuta> SpiderMan, how is it different?
[02:54] <augustin> the thing is, the G510 is supposed to be supported when it's rev A and B? but of course, not rev C =D
[02:54] <YukiIkyuta> Aah, by ndiswrapper?
[02:54] <ubuntunewbie2> Ng: I don't get it. I mark those that I want to remove, bu twhen I move to other packages it also marks them. I'm a confused. Is synaptic something like in windows where you can add/remove programs and the only components removed are those you want removed ? how come ubuntu checks components of other packages as well ?
[02:54] <augustin> YukiIkyuta, yeah, but ideally i would love to use a linux driver instead of ndiswrapper
[02:54] <YukiIkyuta> I suppose there's just no support tested in Ubuntu.
[02:54] <YukiIkyuta> Of course.
[02:54] <spindel> cheemp: apt-get install mysql-server-4.1, even
[02:54] <cheemp> ahhh :)
[02:54] <augustin> where cna i find an up-to-date, reliable list ?
[02:55] <augustin> can*, damn i can't type
[02:55] <YukiIkyuta> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[02:55] <cheemp> i did an aptitude search and didn't see it.. must be lack of coffee
[02:55] <Ng> ubuntunewbie2: synaptic uses dependencies. If you remove a library that something else needs, it will remove that something else too
[02:55] <YukiIkyuta> This should do. ^^
[02:55] <ams_> what is good cdburning software??
[02:55] <augustin> simplest things... ^^
[02:55] <iiiears> spindel - you one of the "LAMP" project packages may be woth a look. Linux Apache
[02:55] <iiiears> Musql PHP
[02:56] <SpiderMan> YukiIkyuta, Iam in South Africa, and I want to us IS's repository, but the file structure is different
[02:56] <YukiIkyuta> SpiderMan, well, I mean, in what way is it different? If the package list is set out right as an APT repository, it should work fine as is!
[02:56] <TG__> http://img319.imageshack.us/my.php?image=schermafdruk8fs.png <-- could anyone tell me why the buttons won't spread out like they should?
[02:56] <cheemp> hmmm  Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open
[02:56] <Drew> Hi, I'm from AZ, but am in ATL - my system has restarted, and my system's set to autoboot ubuntu, but I need to access windows - They are on seperate partitions, same hard drive. How can I configure Ubuntu's bootloader to autoboot windows XP?
[02:57] <cheemp> but i don't have another apt or synaptic running
[02:57] <iiiears> !grub
[02:57] <ubotu> methinks grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows, or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[02:57] <spindel> TG__: check your minimal / maximal size
[02:57] <cheemp> so why would the file be locked :(
[02:57] <iiiears> those links helped me a bit
[02:57] <httpdss> cheemp: what does ps ax say ???
[02:58] <TG__> spindel: where?
[02:58] <httpdss> (paste bin)
[02:58] <Drew> Alright, and is Ubuntu pronounced ooh-boon-too?
[02:58] <spindel> Preferences on the panel
[02:58] <spindel> in the window list thingy
[02:58] <augustin> YukiIkyuta, how do i know which one to take when, for one given name/manufacturer, many chipsets exist who don't have the same results ? =(
[02:58] <YukiIkyuta> Drew, I've always done it "uuh" (as in you), "bun" (as in, a bun, or a roll of bread), "too" (me too!)
[02:59] <SpiderMan> YukiIkyuta go to ftp://ftp.is.co.za you will see the link to the ubuntu folder, but its not the same directory structure
[02:59] <YukiIkyuta> augustin, a good question.. ><
[02:59] <ams_> what is good cdburning software for ubuntu (linux noobie)
[02:59] <SpiderMan> YukiIkyuta can you give me the line that needs to go in
[02:59] <augustin> YukiIkyuta, (actually i think it's oo-boon-too =) )
[02:59] <TG__> spindel: min=100 max=4096 :/
[02:59] <YukiIkyuta> SpiderMan, a moment.
[02:59] <YukiIkyuta> augustin, thanks. ^^
[02:59] <cheemp> httpdss, alot of stuff but nothing about apt (i | grep apt'd)
[03:00] <shadeofgrey> ams_:  K3B is my favorite
[03:00] <ubuntunewbie2> Ng: Ok so are you saying that I can't remove stuff ?
[03:00] <ams_> thank you shadeofgrey
[03:00] <Drew> haha the ping on the system just dropped 20ms - I think my dad just booted it into windows :P
[03:00] <spindel> TG__: strange. set min to 0, and check if there are any other applets on your panel
[03:00] <YukiIkyuta> ubuntunewbie2, you have other software depending on what you want to removfe.
[03:00] <Ng> ubuntunewbie2: there will be quite a few things you can't remove, yes, but it all depends what you want installed really
[03:00] <shadeofgrey> ams_:  your very welcome
[03:00] <iiiears> ams_, - ubuntu will burn most things with a simple right click gnomebaker or for even mre control k3b are popular.
[03:01] <YukiIkyuta> SpiderMan, that doesn't look like an APT-compatible repository.
[03:01] <TG__> spindel: i haven't touched the bottom bar yet, it's like it came when i installed ubuntu
[03:01] <YukiIkyuta> I'll keep looking.
[03:01] <ams_> ok thank you iiiears
[03:01] <YukiIkyuta> Oh wait.
[03:01] <YukiIkyuta> OK.
[03:01] <YukiIkyuta> That looks OK.
[03:01] <YukiIkyuta> Hang on!
[03:01] <httpdss> cheemp: and the background updates ??
[03:01] <cheemp> faaak idiot..
[03:01] <YukiIkyuta> Try this:
[03:01] <cheemp> httpd: wasn't su'd :(
[03:01] <iiiears> ouch
[03:01] <ubuntunewbie2> Ng: My objective really is to make ubuntu lighter, by removing things I don't use like games, programming stuff (Python) etc. How do i know that a file connected to it is necessary or not ?
[03:02] <httpdss> cheemp: :-S .. good place to start :P
[03:02] <cheemp> much happy now
[03:02] <Toma-> ubuntunewbie2: apt-get will scream about important files if you get id of em... iirc
[03:02] <YukiIkyuta> deb ftp://ftp.is.co.za/linux/distributions/ubuntu breezy breezy-updates breezy-security
[03:02] <YukiIkyuta> Or whatever ones you want.
[03:02] <augustin> YukiIkyuta, i must go, thanks for your help, very nice =)
[03:03] <cheemp> and downloading at 500k from ubuntu apt repo always make me happy
[03:03] <SpiderMan> ok i will give it a try thanks YukiIkyuta
[03:03] <YukiIkyuta> SpiderMan, good luck!
[03:03] <YukiIkyuta> augustin, good luck!
[03:03] <augustin> cheers =)
[03:03] <YukiIkyuta> ^_^
[03:03] <cheemp> linux + 6mbps cable rocks
[03:03] <ubuntunewbie2> cause in windows you click remove and if a program is dependent on a file that you are trying to remove it just says "Remove, remove none, or remove all" usually I click on "remove none" - 99 % of the time because just to be safe. I presume ubuntu does the same am I correct ?
[03:03] <Ng> ubuntunewbie2: well experience would go a long way. why are you trying to make it smaller? the default install is hardly huge
[03:04] <kemik> cheemp:  10mbps ethernet more roxxxors
[03:04] <kemik> ;)
[03:04] <iiiears> cable is it. - linux without a fast connection is no fun at all.
[03:04] <ubuntunewbie2> Ng; Because I am running it on 300 mhz at 64 mb of RAM I want to make it thinner, lighter and faster
[03:04] <Juhaz> ubuntunewbie2, you presume wrong
[03:04] <ubuntunewbie2> Juhaz: So how do I go about it ?
[03:04] <Toma-> ubuntunewbie2: i suggest slackware...
[03:04] <Juhaz> ubuntunewbie2, linux package managers work on application level, not file. you can't remove something and leave parts of it behind
[03:04] <Ng> ubuntunewbie2: you'd be better off not running gnome
[03:05] <Ng> ubuntunewbie2: or an older distribution
[03:05] <YukiIkyuta> ubuntunewbie2, it will only tell you that it WILL have to remove it if you do actually *need* to. in Windows' case, it's not even sure.
[03:05] <Toma-> ubuntunewbie2: also, you might want something with a 2.4 kernel
[03:05] <ubuntunewbie2> I searched for lighter linuxes like Beatrix and puppy but they run well on live CD. I have trouble installing them to the hard disk
[03:05] <kemik> ubuntunewbie2:  server-installation of ubuntu, and use icewm of xfce ... or else use DSL, gentoo or vector linux (vector is a slackware derivate)
[03:06] <iiiears> ubuntunebie - you may want to try ubuntulite or even  GASP!  puppylinux - 300mhz will work fine with some very light window managers.
[03:06] <ubuntunewbie2> Ng: Ubuntu installs fine and runs fine in the computer it's just that it's slow not really to slow. but well slow in a sense
[03:06] <kemik> ubuntunewbie2:  check out vector linux... www.madpenguin had some rave reviews on that distro for 'older computers'
[03:06] <ubuntunewbie2> iiiears: I burned puppy linux but it freezes it says : kernel panic blah blah blah  . . . ..  that's where it stops
[03:07] <YukiIkyuta> !
[03:07] <ubotu> YukiIkyuta: What?
[03:07] <Ng> ubuntunewbie2: that has nothing to do with how many programs you have installed, it has to do with how many you have running
[03:07] <YukiIkyuta> Oops.
[03:07] <Ng> ubuntunewbie2: gnome (the default desktop in ubuntu) is not designed to work with that little RAM unfortunately
[03:07] <iiiears> aw, sorry to hear that. - not likely to get things working but satisfy your curiosity. try strace to see what is happening.
[03:08] <SpiderMan> YukiIkyuta I put what you said in the sources.list
[03:08] <SpiderMan> cant find the files
[03:08] <YukiIkyuta> Okay?
[03:08] <ubuntunewbie2> oh ok so linux is sooooooo unlike windows. Pls be patient I really am new to this linux thing
[03:08] <YukiIkyuta> Oh!
[03:08] <aftertaf> ubuntunewbie2:  and try to get more ram!
[03:08] <ubuntunewbie2> Ok let me see
[03:08] <YukiIkyuta> What in particular did it say?
[03:08] <aftertaf> lol YukiIkyuta
[03:09] <aftertaf> *erf , read "what in particular did I say ?" :)
[03:09] <YukiIkyuta> Aaah. XD
[03:09] <YukiIkyuta> '']
[03:09] <ubuntunewbie2> aftertaf: That's the hardware part. everybody knows getting more ram will make stuff run effeciently
[03:09] <YukiIkyuta> Oops.
[03:09] <ubuntunewbie2> more effeciently rather
[03:09] <SpiderMan> Get:39 ftp://ftp.is.co.za breezy-security/universe Sources
[03:09] <SpiderMan> Err ftp://ftp.is.co.za breezy-security/universe Sources
[03:09] <SpiderMan>   Unable to fetch file, server said $(B!F(BFailed to open file.  $(B!G(B
[03:09] <ubuntunewbie2> What I am interested is tweaking the thing to make it a bit faster
[03:09] <P3L|C4N0> ubuntunewbie2, http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[03:09] <YukiIkyuta> Hm..
[03:10] <YukiIkyuta> That's odd ....
[03:10] <iiiears> ubuntunewbie2 - a lot of new linux community members here. with a little patience you'll be a pro in no time.
[03:10] <SpiderMan> for some reason, the apt is not picking up anything after ftp://ftp.is.co.za
[03:10] <aftertaf> ubuntunewbie2:  bt more ram would help, if it is possible 64 aint a lot
[03:10] <athlon> anyone here using initng and managed to get ubuntu up and running without problem ?
[03:10] <Drew> and by a little he means a lot.
[03:10] <SpiderMan> anything after the "/"
[03:10] <YukiIkyuta> SpiderMan, that's just how it formats the message!
[03:11] <dbug> how can i view on terminal the charset list
[03:12] <SpiderMan> oh ok
[03:12] <paulo> what is the name of windows look like window manager for linux ??
[03:12] <iiiears> does the xorg.conf file contain the keyboard character set list?
[03:12] <nightswim> fvfwm
[03:12] <nightswim> fvwm
[03:12] <SpiderMan> can you put the address in your sources.list and see if you get the same problem ?
[03:13] <YukiIkyuta> Just a sec! ^^
[03:13] <ubuntunewbie2> Now tell me the following are stuff that could enhance windows performance, what is it's equivalent in linux and does it apply to linux ? : 1.) Run msconfig and unload uncessary start up items 2.) free space in C make more room for virtual ram 3.) correct errors in the disk and defrag often. 4.) Clean the registry by using 3rd party apps such as system mechanic. So tell me does these all have linux "equivalents" ?
[03:13] <Ng> only 1) is relevant
[03:13] <Ng> and there is very little you can remove anyway
[03:13] <electron__> hey
[03:13] <Ng> you need more RAM or a lighter desktop
[03:14] <electron__> how do I stop Gnome from auto loading on startup?
[03:14] <ompaul> 2 does not apply 3 does not apply 4 what is a registry
[03:14] <electron__> I just want to to go to the console login screen
[03:14] <iiiears> 1) the etc/init.d file i believe and 2) sysctl
[03:14] <defcon8> hello. i ran apt-setup to change the apt server it uses but it still continues to use the turkish ones which i think have a problem on as certain repos arent downloading properly. is there anything i can do about this?
[03:14] <ubuntunewbie2> Ng: ok ok so the answer is RAM
[03:14] <Juhaz> if you want to use gnome, yes
[03:14] <YukiIkyuta> electron__,
[03:14] <ubuntunewbie2> iiiears: ok thanks
[03:15] <paulo> what is the more adviced windows manager for slowly pcs ..
[03:15] <brenner> 3) ext3 doesn't require defragging iirc
[03:15] <aftertaf> ubuntunewbie2:  and read this link from ubotu........
[03:15] <aftertaf> !linuxnotwindows
[03:15] <ubotu> [linuxnotwindows]  http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[03:15] <Juhaz> icewm might be a reasonably simple and light alternative for someone used to windows
[03:15] <defcon8> hmm i think its working now
[03:15] <iiiears> not much need for defragmenting your disk in linux if you shutdown properly.
[03:15] <YukiIkyuta> remove it from /etc/rc*.d/Sgdm* or whatever...
[03:15] <defcon8> man can people forget windows if they want to use linux?
[03:15] <aftertaf> paulo:  not newbie friendly, but e17 is great
[03:15] <electron__> wtf?
[03:15] <defcon8> you do NOT use linux because you wish you could use windows do you?
[03:15] <ompaul> ubuntunewbie2, both of those impact what starts, but most of what starts you need
[03:15] <ubuntunewbie2> Ng: So only no.1 is relevant so how do you do an "msconfig" in linux and removing startup stuff you dnt need ?
[03:16] <paulo> aftertaf, :D
[03:16] <defcon8> aftertaf, i dont like the fact that e17 doesnt let you choose through maximised windows from a window bar
[03:16] <ompaul> ubuntunewbie2,  if I may suggest if you have the bandwidth install xubuntu-desktop
[03:16] <Ng> ubuntunewbie2: there is a directory of links (/etc/rc2.d/) that get called when the system boots, you can disable a few of them, but I don't think it'll help you
[03:16] <ubuntunewbie2> Another thing, one reason I wanted to remove application is that I don't want some of our employees playing games how do I do that ? (Or watching movies in their computer) I want them focused in their work
[03:16] <aftertaf> ubuntunewbie2:  you dont do an "msconfig"....    a car and a motorbike cant be compared
[03:16] <iiiears> I am very new also but i think most of it is in /etc/init.d
[03:16] <paulo> i want my mom use linux in my old pc, there is any window manager like windows?
[03:17] <ubuntunewbie2> ompaul: How do I install xubuntu desktop and what's so speical about it ?
[03:17] <athlon> ubuntunewbie2, you really dont want to do that until you learn more about how linux works
[03:17] <aftertaf> paulo:  kde/gnome . depends how old
[03:17] <johnm> paulo: yes, unfortunately. But I'd recommend somethign mor euser friendly like GNOME
[03:17] <athlon> after all you dont tell a windows newbie to change stuff in his registry
[03:17] <paulo> humm
[03:17] <ompaul> ubuntunewbie2,  it is much lighter than gnome that is all, if you have a low spec machine it will run on it more than likely
[03:17] <ubuntunewbie2> Ng: Ok let me see how how do I get to /etc/rc2/d does this have a "pop-up windows" just like msconfig
[03:17] <paulo> ok thx guys
[03:17] <paulo> gnome will be fine
[03:18] <sproingie> athlon: speak for yerself, i did it all the time.  though most of the time it's "i'm emailing you a .reg file, go ahead and doubleclick it"
[03:18] <defcon8> ubuntunewbie2, cmon man pay people to administrate computers
[03:18] <Ng> ubuntunewbie2: no, it's not a program, you will have to manipulate some files
[03:18] <aftertaf> ubuntunewbie2:  you cant compare what is sooo different. Stop thinking in terms of "windows", theis is a whole different system.
[03:18] <ubuntunewbie2> aftertaf: Well it's not I am not comparing. I know linux is more superior than windows however I need a point of reference.
[03:18] <ompaul> ubuntunewbie2, if you touch the wrong thing in there you will have a lot a of work or a broken machine
[03:18] <ubuntunewbie2> defcon8: I'm trying to learn
[03:18] <defcon8> ubuntunewbie2, why dont you read some documents then?
[03:18] <aftertaf> ubuntunewbie2:  i understand that need, but there isnt a point of reference that will help you, only ones that will hold you back. seriously.
[03:18] <YukiIkyuta> vvbbbbnnnnnnmmmmmmmmmm,,,,,............///////////////kkkkl
[03:19] <sproingie> ubuntunewbie2: man intro
[03:19] <YukiIkyuta> Oops!
[03:19] <ubuntunewbie2> defcon8: there's a plethora of documents. can your recommend anything good ? I mean straight to the point
[03:19] <ompaul> YukiIkyuta, ehh no, we don't want that today, move along there is nothing to see here :)
[03:19] <aftertaf> i klnow this sounds like linux hippy guru bull$h1t but i've only benn on here 2-3 months man....
[03:19] <sproingie> ubuntunewbie2: manpages are about as to the point as you can get
[03:19] <defcon8> ubuntunewbie2, read what you need
[03:19] <defcon8> read linux for dummies or something maybe
[03:19] <YukiIkyuta> '
[03:19] <defcon8> or advanced linux books
[03:19] <aftertaf> !tell ubuntunewbie2 about linuxnotwindows
[03:19] <defcon8> hello. i ran apt-setup to change the apt server it uses but it still continues to use the turkish ones which i think have a problem on as certain repos arent downloading properly. is there anything i can do about this?
[03:19] <iiiears> ubuntunewbie2, - it's is amazing when you stop to consider that there isn't a single thing you can't change. The limit is your knowledge and imagination.
[03:20] <sproingie> ubuntunewbie2: o'reilly has the linux system administrator's handbook, which is excellent
[03:20] <SpiderMan> YukiIkyuta any luck ?
[03:20] <aftertaf> ubuntunewbie2:  hang around here, and ask how things work...... dont ask does it work like in windows?  cos it doesnt.
[03:20] <YukiIkyuta> electron__, if you remove /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm ..
[03:20] <YukiIkyuta> SpiderMan, not yet. It'???????
[03:20] <YukiIkyuta> It's a bit strane*!
[03:20] <sproingie> ubuntunewbie2: for general unix, you could try "unix system administration".  it's purple, has a silly cartoon on the cover
[03:20] <ubuntunewbie2> aftertag: I understand your concern but whether we like or not we learn by making reference to something we are already familiar with. No genius in here can ever claim that he assimilated everything directly to his brain without making a reference at something else he has already learned since he was a child
[03:20] <electron__> YukiIkyuta, remove the acutal whole file?
[03:21] <YukiIkyuta> It's just a link! Go for it.
[03:21] <Jowi> hello all
[03:21] <cheemp> ubuntunewbie2, there's no genius in here
[03:21] <sproingie> ubuntunewbie2: if you're looking for something more pithy, try "linux in a nutshell", which is a good reference, though you'll be reading a lot of manpages and howtos to fill in the detail
[03:21] <rain`> Anyone know of an ftp client that can do recursive chmod?
[03:21] <SpiderMan> thanks YukiIkyuta
[03:21] <Kode> hello, I got a question, say I install ubuntu x86, and I want to upgrade to the 64 bit, can I upgrade it without downloading the 64 bit version, or can't I upgrade at all?
[03:22] <sproingie> does the bot have any factoids like these book recommendations?
[03:22] <defcon8> ubuntunewbie2, i had used linux for 1 year before i even knew anything about irc. i just used google
[03:22] <YukiIkyuta> Okay..
[03:22] <ubuntunewbie2> aftertaf: Ok ok I understand so nobody wants to sa the "w" word or the "m" word ok I'll try to do my best not to mention those. But you'll have to admit it people. Some people like linux a lot, it's just that they need some similiarities to work with in order to switch from "w"
[03:22] <iiiears> cheemp - If i call you a genius will you give me a tip on how to restart my mouse after using a KVM switch to change back and forth between machines
[03:22] <athlon> ubuntunewbie2, problem is, trying to use windows as an analogue is more of a hindrance rather than helping you to understand nixes system better
[03:22] <YukiIkyuta> electron__, that should stop it from starting at boot again.
[03:22] <YukiIkyuta> You may also want to remove ...
[03:22] <cjhcjhcjh> Howdy. Is there an Xwindow ssh client?
[03:22] <mahangu> cjhcjhcjh, putty
[03:22] <sproingie> Kode: you cannot upgrade 32 bit to 64 bit, it's a different OS as far as apt is concerned
[03:22] <defcon8> cjhcjhcjh, ssh -X
[03:22] <mahangu> cjhcjhcjh, apt-get install putty
[03:22] <aftertaf> athlon:  exactly :)
[03:22] <YukiIkyuta> electron__,  /etc/rc0.d/K01gdm
[03:22] <electron__> YukiIkyuta, you sure it wont stuff things removeing the whole file?
[03:22] <cjhcjhcjh> mahangu,  tvm
[03:22] <YukiIkyuta> Certain.
[03:22] <YukiIkyuta> It's a symbolic link.
[03:23] <electron__> okay
[03:23] <mahangu> cjhcjhcjh, np
[03:23] <cheemp> iiiears, mouse? kvm? machine? switch? hmmmm... can eat?
[03:23] <YukiIkyuta> Removing that one there will stop it trying to shut down GDM on shut down (as presumably, it's not started!)
[03:23] <Kode> sproingie: thanks :)
[03:23] <YukiIkyuta> If you ever need to get into graphical mode, at a console,
[03:23] <YukiIkyuta> type startx
[03:23] <defcon8> cjhcjhcjh, omfg
[03:23] <defcon8> cjhcjhcjh, ssh
[03:23] <defcon8> ssh is the client
[03:23] <brenner> sproingie: try the books trigger maybe?
[03:23] <defcon8> why do you need an xwindows one?
[03:23] <ubuntunewbie2> athlon: What analogue should I use ? I can't help it, I woke up one day not knowing that my parents brought me a windows based computer. Darn I should have told them that they got linux instead. Anyway joking aside I promise not to say the "w" word or the "m" word.
[03:24] <YukiIkyuta> ubuntunewbie2, that rule there is not half bad! ^^
[03:24] <sproingie> Kode: i don't recommend using 64bit unless you have a specific need.  i am being constantly bitten by problems because of my choice
[03:24] <electron__> I have done 'apt-get install telnetd' so will it start the daemon on startup?
[03:24] <iiiears> erm - the dark secret of my latent computer addiction has slipped out i have three machines running and switching between them makes the mouse cursor in ubuntu start to jitter.
[03:24] <defcon8> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_main_binary-i386_Packages)
[03:24] <defcon8> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_restricted_binary-i386_Packages)
[03:24] <defcon8> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_u
[03:24] <rain`> Anyone know of an ftp client that can do recursive chmod?
[03:24] <defcon8> wtf?
[03:24] <Toma-> flood thx
[03:25] <defcon8> umm
[03:25] <Kode> sproingie: How come?
[03:25] <defcon8> under 5 lines isnt flood
[03:25] <defcon8> please can anyone tell me why this is happening?
[03:25] <athlon> ubuntunewbie2, I am not saying that Windows or Microsoft is bad, they are good at what they do. I am saying that if learning a new OS is like learning a new languange. It has a very different grammar, vocabulary and so on. If you really want to learn then you have to -immerse- yourself in it
[03:25] <ubuntunewbie2> defcon8: Ok I understand It will take hard work thanks man
[03:25] <Jowi> electron__: it should. all services are listed in /etc/rc2.d.
[03:25] <YukiIkyuta> Hmm..
[03:25] <defcon8> damn how hard is it to get help
[03:25] <lyso> rain: try lftp
[03:25] <ubuntunewbie2> athlon: Ok I get you but when you want to learn german you relate german words with English words you don't just study german syntax immedietly
[03:26] <iiiears> cheemp - Do you know of a good site with a couple of fun follow step by step examples to learn C programming?
[03:26] <sproingie> Kode: it's perfectly solid, but some packages aren't there.  no flash, so you'll need 32 bit firefox.  lots of languages i experiment with like lisp and haskell only have 32 bit versions
[03:26] <electron__> its not in there
[03:26] <YukiIkyuta> defcon8, you have several lines the same in your sources.list
[03:26] <Jowi> electron__: rc2.d is used for a "normal" ubuntu startup. the programs you see in rc2.d is linked to the programs in /etc/init.d
[03:26] <syli725> hi, i enabled DMA on /dev/dvd maunally. that is fine. but after I mount a DVD. the DMA disabled automatically. then I have to enable it again. why is like this?
[03:26] <defcon8> ok
[03:26] <defcon8> how can i find the lines that are the same?
[03:26] <sproingie> Kode: anything using 3d accelleration will have to be 64 bit code since the 3d drivers are 64 bit, so that precludes most any game
[03:26] <athlon> ubuntunewbie2, but german and english is related, its like learning BSD after you understand Linux. Windows to English is like  Chinese / Japanese to English
[03:27] <electron__> whats atd?
[03:27] <electron__> it's not something telnet daemon is it?
[03:27] <defcon8> oh good idea
[03:27] <httpdss> syli725: see hdparm.conf
[03:27] <cheemp> iiiears: there should be plenty! start by reading about GCC to compile hello world... and from there you can look at other ppl' source.. chances are whatever you want to code, something else out there is similar.. so look at source and copy at first..
[03:27] <defcon8> athlon, sorry but im just going to say that is total bullshit
[03:27] <defcon8> after using freebsd for 2 years
[03:27] <defcon8> dont compare engish and german with linux and freebsd
[03:27] <YukiIkyuta> defcon8, you're wrong.
[03:27] <defcon8> its just a fwe different commands
[03:28] <syli725> httpdss, cheers. let me read it.
[03:28] <iiiears> cheemp - Ah Thanks! :)
[03:28] <YukiIkyuta> defcon8, what's the problem?
[03:28] <sproingie> Kode: basically, unless you have specifically 64-bit apps you need to run, i'd stick with the ia32 distributon
[03:28] <defcon8> and a few different configs
[03:28] <Jowi> electron__: for example "ls -la /etc/rc2.d/" will give you the services. you should see something similar to "S20telnetd" or something.
[03:28] <syli725> httpdss, btw, where is it? i don't want to find / ...
[03:28] <Kode> sproingie: Well the usual stuff then, languages and others that haven't made the 64 bit jump, but it's solid you say, hmmm, perhaps just do a dualboot
[03:28] <athlon> defcon8, english and german have their roots in latin *shrug*
[03:28] <YukiIkyuta> SpiderMan, this really is quite peculiar.
[03:28] <cheemp> iiiears: i can just tell you, learn variables, if, for, loop, how to make functions, mem alloc, pointers, sockets, buffer overflows... and you should be good to start :)
[03:28] <Jowi> electron__: S = Start, K = Kill (or simply, do not start this service)
[03:28] <mustard5> german roots in latin?
[03:29] <SpiderMan> thats what I thought ?
[03:29] <mustard5> I wouldnt think so
[03:29] <sproingie> Kode: it's easy enough running 32 bit stuff in a chroot, but opengl is a lost cause, since the video driver is 64 bit
[03:29] <SpiderMan> and being local I can update at super speeds, now I have to wait for int. sites
[03:29] <httpdss> syli725: it the place you will say "i want my DMA activated for the DVD at boot"
[03:29] <ScatterBrain> How does one rename a printer?
[03:29] <YukiIkyuta> Aah.
[03:29] <YukiIkyuta> I think I have it.
[03:29] <cheemp> iiiears: do you know how to use VIM ?
[03:29] <YukiIkyuta> What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[03:30] <iiiears> Yes, - but i prefer a crayon. - lol