[04:49] <pitti> barry: any luck with oneconf?
[04:49] <pitti> Good morning
[06:52] <dholbach> good morning
[07:17] <pitti> who maintains bzr these days?
[07:18] <dholbach> pitti, asomething did a few uploads to Debian and we synced/merged from there AFAIK
[07:18] <pitti> its test_gpg.py bits fail with "pgmeError: (7, 150, u'Invalid crypto engine')", I guess that needs some actual domain knowledge
[07:21] <pitti> jelmer: ^ would you have an idea why this happens?
[07:41] <geser> pitti: see also bug #1196253 (same error message) but no solution
[07:42] <pitti> geser: right, dholbach pointed that out, too; so that smells like a bug/missing dependency of libgpgme
[07:42] <pitti> could be fallout from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpgme1.0/1.4.2-0.1ubuntu2
[07:58] <geser> pitti: sounds very likely as the build log contains: "GnuPG path:      /usr/bin/gpg2". And if then gnupg2 is not installed it could produce the error you see (did you have gnupg2 installed or not?)
[07:59] <pitti> geser: not sure, some dependency might pull it in
[07:59] <pitti> geser: which build log did you look at?
[08:00] <geser> pitti: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/143289079/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-amd64.gpgme1.0_1.4.2-0.1ubuntu2_UPLOADING.txt.gz
[08:00] <pitti> geser: oh, build-depends gnupg2
[08:00] <geser> it was from "GPGME v1.4.2 has been configured as follows:" after the configure run
[08:01] <pitti> so we'll need to flip that as well
[08:02] <geser> looks like the gnupg version (gnupg or gnupg2) has to match in build-depends and depends
[08:02] <pitti> geser: hah, I get the same error when calling "seahorse"
[08:03] <pitti> so nice, this pointed out an actual regression then
[08:03] <pitti> seb128: ^ FYI, in case you stumble over a searhorse bug that it doesn't show gpg any more
[08:06] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[08:10] <pitti> seb128: do we actually need the "gnupg | gnupg2"? seems we can only build it against either
[08:10] <Laney> wasn't it a dep chain thing?
[08:11] <pitti> ah, KDE once added gpg2 support
[08:11] <pitti> it might actually be enought to add back a gnupg build dep to support both, I'll try that now
[08:11] <pitti> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/24055413/gpgme1.0_1.1.8-2ubuntu1_1.1.8-2ubuntu2.diff.gz
[08:11] <pitti> was the original change
[08:15] <seb128> pitti, I don't really know, that was there before I touched that stack
[08:15] <pitti> seb128: right, I think I know what to do
[08:15] <seb128> pitti, good
[08:44] <pitti> jelmer: unping, I uplaoded a fixed gpgme1.0
[08:47] <pitti> barry: FYI, I uploaded oneconf with dropping the XS-Testsuite header, so that this will stop being run in jenkins and block propagation
[10:00] <jdoles> Why doesn't this demo work on Ubuntu? https://github.com/juneym/php-gettext-demo (clone it, follow the instructions, which involve only generating a locale, and run php index.php).
[10:05] <sladen> jdoles: it's quite broad; a bit like "why doesn't my computer work".  What is the specific command you run that fails, and the specific error message you get when you run that command (the reason to lead you to believe that it is not working as intended)
[10:06] <sladen> jdoles: with that, the best is to search for the same error message, and if not found to find a report in Launchpad, so that people who know the software in question can have a look
[10:09] <jdoles> sladen: it's like 10 lines of code...
[10:09] <jdoles> sladen: and I didn't write it.
[10:09] <jdoles> sladen: I do think it *should* work.
[10:09] <jdoles> sladen: it's *trivial* to reproduce.
[10:09] <jdoles> sladen: it takes like 1 whole minute.
[10:10] <jdoles> sladen: so, you could have reproduced it 4 times already.
[10:12] <jdoles> sladen: and I just verified that it does work on Debian Wheezy.
[10:13] <pitti> Laney: can you please do the magic to allow oneconf 0.3.4 to propagate? I remove its broken autopkgtest
[10:13] <Laney> pitti: still needs hitting in that case?
[10:14] <jdoles> Is there anyone remotely intelligent here?
[10:16] <Laney> pitti: (will do, but it'd be good to get that bug fixed)
[10:18] <sladen> jdoles: yes, what makes you believe that /it is not working/
[10:18] <jdoles> sladen: I run it and I see no translation.
[10:18] <sladen> jdoles: riiight
[10:18] <jdoles> sladen: I do the same on Debian and it does.
[10:18] <cjwatson> jdoles: Works fine provided you follow the instructions on the page to generate the locales
[10:18] <jdoles> cjwatson: that's what you say.
[10:18] <jdoles> cjwatson: I did follow the instructions.
[10:19] <cjwatson> jdoles: Because I just tested it ...
[10:19] <jdoles> cjwatson: on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS?
[10:19] <cjwatson> (Note that you need to generate en_US.UTF-8 as well)
[10:19] <jdoles> cjwatson: I already had that one.
[10:19] <cjwatson> Happy to try that but you'll need to wait a moment.
[10:19] <Laney> pitti: (done)
[10:21] <jdoles> sladen: can you also perhaps keep your arrogant mouth shut? You have not _at_all_ proven to have any problem solving capability.
[10:21] <cjwatson> jdoles: It's also possible that you have LC_ALL set in your environment, which would override LC_MESSAGES.
[10:22] <jdoles> cjwatson: no, that's not possible.
[10:22] <cjwatson> jdoles: (However, please stop being abusive.)
[10:22] <jdoles> cjwatson: because I unset LC_ALL.
[10:22] <sladen> jdoles: having replicated that on 12.04.2, I /don't/ get translationed messages with the default config
[10:23] <pitti> Laney: thanks
[10:23] <jdoles> sladen: so, that would mean you are seeing the same bug.
[10:23] <cjwatson> jdoles: Works for me on precise.
[10:23] <cjwatson> jdoles: Proof: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5928494/
[10:24] <cjwatson> That's an entirely clean precise environment
[10:24] <sladen> jdoles: concur.  Remember that context is needed; when code runs (executes) it may not be immediately apparent what is different to normal.  The crucial information here is that a japanese message should be appearing
[10:25] <jdoles> cjwatson: I think the main problem is that it also silently fails.
[10:25] <jdoles> cjwatson: but that is more of a PHP problem and not related to packaging.
[10:25] <cjwatson> Well, the C-level gettext interface is a bit like that; it prefers issuing untranslated text rather than errors.
[10:25] <jdoles> A rather stupid design.
[10:25] <cjwatson> No, it makes sense for its problem domain.
[10:26] <jdoles> It should log to a file when there is a problem.
[10:26] <cjwatson> Packages are often only partially translated.
[10:26] <jdoles> Or to some socket or configurable.
[10:26] <cjwatson> It's still not remotely clear what's happening in your case.  strace might help.
[10:26] <jdoles> Silently failing is a design flaw for any component.
[10:26] <sladen> not necessarily if you are a webpage generator
[10:26] <cjwatson> setlocale does produce errors, which no doubt it's possible to get PHP's gettext interface to not ignore.
[10:27] <sladen> (however a choice of when to error is something that would be better raised with the authors of PHP)
[10:27] <jdoles> cjwatson: strace shows useful information.
[10:27] <cjwatson> Can you share it?
[10:30] <jdoles> Now it works :/
[10:30] <jdoles> Let me see whether I do know the cause now.
[10:31] <jdoles> If so, there is a dependency error in Ubuntu packaging.
[10:31] <sladen> jdoles: did you apt-get install php-gettext ?
[10:31] <sladen> jdoles: (I did this, and found no change)
[10:31] <slangasek> if he hadn't, php should've given errors immediately about undeclared functions
[10:32] <jdoles> sladen: yes, I did, but that doesn't make a difference.
[10:32] <jdoles> It does work now, but I don't recall me doing anything which should have caused that.
[10:32] <cjwatson> I slightly question whether this can be a dependency error given that my paste shows it working in a clean chroot with nothing beyond php5-cli (and, admittedly, git); but perhaps details will help
[10:32] <jdoles> I did do apt-get install php-gettext and removed it again.
[10:33] <cjwatson> php-gettext was not installed in my environment at any point
[10:33] <jdoles> Before that command it didn't work, after the installation it did, and after the removal it also did.
[10:34] <jdoles> cjwatson: I think we will never know what caused it.
[10:34] <cjwatson> My best suggestion is to try to reproduce in a clean environment, perhaps by iteratively bringing such a thing closer to your real environment.
[10:35] <sladen> now I
[10:35] <slangasek> ah; yes, the php-gettext package bypasses C gettext, yuck
[10:35] <cjwatson> mk-sbuild + schroot + overlayfs makes throwaway chroots pretty trivial to use.
[10:35] <jdoles> cjwatson: how fast does that command run and does it cache downloads?
[10:36] <jdoles> cjwatson: (and on what hardware)
[10:37] <cjwatson> mk-sbuild runs debootstrap under the hood, so it takes a while depending on your connection.  Downloads can be cached by setting up schroot to mount a persistent filesystem location onto /var/cache/apt/archives/ inside the chroot, although I think most people don't bother and just use either a local mirror or an apt proxy.
[10:37] <cjwatson> I ran the command I pasted while talking to you so you can infer it only takes minutes.  Reasonable laptop, nothing special, doesn't particularly take much out of the host hardware.
[10:38] <cjwatson> (mk-sbuild only needs to be run once for a given release/architecture combination, and then you just occasionally update it with sbuild-update.)
[10:40] <sladen> right,   LANGUAGE="" php index.php  works; anything else doesn't
[10:41] <cjwatson> LANGUAGE overrides LC_MESSAGES, as documented by gettext
[10:41] <cjwatson> Indeed, LANGUAGE even overrides LC_ALL for the purposes of the messages category
[10:42] <sladen> jdoles:  set | grep LANGUAGE
[10:43] <sladen> which I presume is coming from /etc/default/locale
[10:44] <sladen> which I have dated 2011-12-15 (ie. early in the development cycle).  cjwatson: is that not now set on later installs?
[10:45] <slangasek> well, the above test was with a chroot that wouldn't have used the installer
[10:46] <cjwatson> Whether it's set depends on the details of the installation.
[10:46] <cjwatson> In any case, if you want to override LC_MESSAGES and guarantee that to be effective then in general you must unset LC_ALL and LANGUAGE.
[10:47] <cjwatson> So I'd class that as a bug in this demo script.
[10:47] <cjwatson> Even if it happens, by luck, to work in some environments.
[10:47]  * slangasek nods
[10:51] <infinity> I'd say that script assumes your server runs in C.
[10:51] <infinity> Which isn't an unfair assumption, but still not a safe one.
[10:54] <sladen> jdoles: I've pushed a fixed version to github, and sent a pull request:  https://github.com/juneym/php-gettext-demo/pull/1
[10:57] <pitti> ev: does whoopsie write a log file by default? I can't find one in /var/log/
[10:57] <pitti> ev: I have two crash reports with .upload tags, but they apparently don't get uploaded
[11:00] <sladen> cjwatson: done, with added --author kudos
[11:00] <cjwatson> ta
[11:07] <pitti> ev: I stopped whoopsie, and ran "sudo CRASH_DB_URL=https://daisy.ubuntu.com whoopsie -f", but that's also not picking up the two *.crash/*.upload files?
[11:08] <pitti> ev: oh, it actually does pick them up, just doesn't tell me about them
[11:21] <pitti> cjwatson, jibel: how can adt-britney be poked to reconsider pygobject? the failing oneconf test was removed (in the archive and private jenkins); does it need to be removed from the public jenkins instance first (that needs retoaded), or does it just need a nudge?
[11:21] <cjwatson> Public Jenkins instance doesn't matter.
[11:23] <cjwatson> Not sure what the most-correct way to deal with the rest is (we could force it, but maybe that isn't optimal).  Needs jibel
[11:23] <pitti> cjwatson: I guess I could just reupload the package, I was just curious whether there's a cheaper way
[11:24] <pitti> cjwatson: thanks, will ask jibel
[11:24] <cjwatson> Certainly don't reupload
[11:24] <jibel> pitti, no really cheap way, I can resubmit a test manually to avoid an upload
[11:24] <cjwatson> *A* cheaper way is to have a member of ~ubuntu-release force it, but on general principles I'd prefer to see if it's fixable in the code
[11:24] <cjwatson> jibel: There's no test to resubmit
[11:25] <cjwatson> Since this is a matter of a test being removed and adt-britney incorrectly not noticing
[11:25] <pitti> jibel: all rdepends tests succeeded except oneconf, whose test just got removed (that's in saucy now)
[11:26] <jibel> ah right, that'd mean forcing a pass on oneconf or removing the entry from the history
[11:27] <Mirv> is it intentional https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/saucy-changes/2013-July/thread.html seems stalled since last week's Monday?
[11:27] <Laney> no, but known
[11:28] <cjwatson> jibel: adt-britney can't detect that it no longer has an XS-Testsuite: autopkgtest?
[11:28] <ev> pitti: it's not very verbose by default, but what logging it does goes into /var/log/upstart/whoopsie.log
[11:28] <cjwatson> jibel: I don't mind forcing the odd one, but this has happened a couple of times now so chances are we'll miss some
[11:28] <ev> pitti: feel free to add and commit any additional log statements you
[11:28] <ev> ned
[11:28] <ev> need even
[11:31] <pitti> jibel: I guess it needs some brain surgery in its state files?
[11:32] <pitti> ev: that just says "Using lock path: /var/lock/whoopsie/lock", nothign about uploading or checking files?
[11:34] <cjwatson> jibel: If you can suggest where I need to perform surgery, I can attempt it
[11:35] <ev> pitti: hmm, it *should* be logging more than that. whoopsie.c has a nonzero number of printf statements in it.
[11:35] <ev> so maybe it hasn't actually processed them for some reason
[11:40] <jibel> cjwatson, you can remove the line "oneconf 0.3.3 FAIL pygobject 3.9.5-0ubuntu1" from proposed-migration/autopkgtest/data/adt/saucy-proposed/amd64/work/results.history
[11:41] <cjwatson> jibel: Done, thanks
[11:41] <cjwatson> (Oops, p-m was running, hopefully I didn't confuse it)
[11:41] <dholbach> @pilot in
[11:42] <cjwatson> $ head -n1 /home/ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/var/data-b2/output/Delta
[11:42] <cjwatson> pygobject 3.9.5-0ubuntu1
[11:42] <cjwatson> evidently not too badly
[11:42] <cjwatson> pitti: done
[11:42] <cjwatson> jibel: thanks
[11:44] <darkxst> dholbach, are you able to look at gjs update on NEW queue?
[11:44] <dholbach> darkxst, I'm sorry, I'm not an archive admin
[11:44] <dholbach> but somebody of these folks (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/+members) might be able to help you out
[11:46] <darkxst> dholbach, ok
[11:47] <infinity> I'll give it a jab.
[11:48] <darkxst> infinity, thanks
[11:50] <infinity> darkxst: No plan for libgjs to actually get a real SOVER? :P
[11:50] <infinity> Package: libgjs0d
[11:50] <infinity> Replaces: libgjs0, libgjs0a, libgjs0b, libgjs0c
[11:50] <infinity> -rw-r--r-- root/root<PHONE_NUMBER>-07-30 00:40 ./usr/lib/libgjs.so.0.0.0
[11:50] <infinity> This seems to be a house of cards.
[11:50] <infinity> But, a well-established one, at least.
[11:52] <infinity> darkxst: Accepted.  If you can ever convince upstream to use sane so versions, that would be nice.
[11:55] <darkxst> infinity, I was just following the tradition (from debian)
[11:55] <infinity> darkxst: Yeah, I'm not arguing you were doing anything wrong there (nor has Debian, really, this sort of abuse is what an SOVER of 0 is meant for), but it still would be nice if people just versioned the library. :P
[11:56] <infinity> darkxst: Of course, that depends on how many rdeps it has.  If it's always simple and painless to transition, maybe no one really cares.
[11:57] <StevenK> infinity: Library releases are for OCD people. Just ask mplayer.
[12:03] <darkxst> infinity, I suppose the gnome guys don't bother, since your not reallly meant to mix n match releases in their eyes
[12:04] <infinity> darkxst: I'd say "that's not excuse for making partial upgrades--and upgrading in general--harder", but I know what distros most of upstream GNOME run, and "upgrading" is still a confusing concept for them. ;)
[12:04] <infinity> s/that's not/that's no/
[12:05] <infinity> darkxst: Anyhow, in this particular case, it's a bit of a "meh".  This has clearly worked in the past, and will continue to work.  It just need a full transition, and it's a bit of a burden on apt's resolver if it needs to upgrade that library and all its rdeps in one block, but it's not rocket surgery.
[12:12] <darkxst> infinity, right. though try convince upstream of that ;)
[12:14] <pitti> cjwatson: cheers!
[12:59] <jdoles> cjwatson: gettext can't switch language in a multi-threaded way, can it? (only one language per process) Do you know something which can do that?
[12:59] <jdoles> cjwatson: the advantage of using gettext is that there are lots of translation tools available, but if one can only switch 'domain' instead of language, that's not going to help anything.
[13:01] <Mirv> oh dear, precise doesn't support Build-Depends-Indep similarly to quantal and forwards
[13:02] <Mirv> not a big problem for this one package, but for 20 packages with next Qt update it might pose a bit of hindrance to have things differently for precise
[13:03] <cjwatson> jdoles: There's a uselocale function which supposedly can be used instead of setlocale to set a per-thread locale (undocumented in manpages or the libc info documentation, but see http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/uselocale.html).  I've never used it myself since I avoid threads like the plague.
[13:04] <jdoles> cjwatson: why do you avoid threads like the plague? Don't you trust yourself or don't you trust everyone else?
[13:05] <cjwatson> jdoles: I'm not sure I trust anyone, including myself, to reason correctly about some of the worse corners of threads.  Event-driven programming is much easier to reason about.
[13:05] <jdoles> cjwatson: event-driven being message passing?
[13:06] <cjwatson> Message passing is a bit more specific.
[13:07] <cjwatson> For a typical Internet server, the event-driven model usually centres around a poll loop or similar, and you then make sure that the response to each event uses only non-blocking I/O.
[13:07] <cjwatson> You probably have one worker process per CPU core so that you make effective use of the hardware.
[13:10] <cjwatson> For example, nginx works this way.  (I've never worked on nginx directly, but I've worked on things with similar architectures.)
[13:14] <jdoles> cjwatson: I get about 10Krequests/sec and I am not sure what I am saturating, but it's certainly not the CPU.
[13:16] <rbasak> http://www.kegel.com/c10k.html for a pretty good summary of concurrent I/O techniques
[13:17] <cjwatson> requests/sec is a poor measure; concurrent connections is a much better one.
[13:18] <jdoles> cjwatson: how many of those should I get for reasonable performance?
[13:20] <jdoles> I can get -n 10000 -c 10000, but when I do that with more, it breaks.
[13:21] <jdoles> Perhaps lack of memory.
[13:21] <cjwatson> Ten years ago (when I was last working on this stuff full-time) I'd have considered anything that couldn't do thousands of concurrent connections not-fit-for-purpose.
[13:22] <cjwatson> I'd hope things have moved on since then.
[13:23] <cjwatson> Saturating memory would be pretty terrible.  Obviously it depends what you're doing but nginx claims on the order of 2.5MB of RAM per 10000 connections.
[13:24] <cjwatson> Usually the limit on decent event-driven servers winds up being the event source they're using, so select vs. poll vs. /dev/epoll etc.
[13:26] <jdoles> cjwatson: in this case it is nginx that was falling over.
[13:26] <jdoles> cjwatson: 768 worker_connections are not enough
[13:26] <cjwatson> With a threaded server I'd expect the scheduler to run into trouble first, assuming you'd managed to write a program that never does anything wrong with the POSIX threads API.
[13:26] <jdoles> I will increase that limit.
[13:26] <cjwatson> jdoles: Well, like I say, I haven't worked on nginx directly.  I'm talking about the model.
[13:26] <dholbach> jcastro, is https://code.launchpad.net/~tribaal/ubuntu/saucy/juju-core/add-bash-completion/+merge/177287 something that should go into juju upstream instead?
[13:27] <cjwatson> (I worked on Zeus back in the dawn of time.  Sadly proprietary and now apparently mostly discontinued though.)
[13:29] <jdoles> cjwatson: do you think this is reasonable? http://paste.kde.org/p9d351457/
[13:29] <jdoles> cjwatson: ab -n 100000 -c 10000 <url>
[13:29] <jdoles> There are no failed requests, just some really slow ones.
[13:31] <jcastro> dholbach: yea I believe so, should I get someone upstream to check it out?
[13:31] <jdoles> Twitter talked about 22MB/s it seems I am pushing more than that here on one machine.
[13:33] <cjwatson> jdoles: It certainly used to be that ab itself started running into problems before good-enough servers did.
[13:33] <cjwatson> Like I say it's been a decade.
[13:34] <cjwatson> (My memory of the history is that Zeus wrote ab and contributed it to the Apache project; but then they had several more improvements internally that I don't think were ever released.  There are some other tools like siege that I think used to be better.)
[13:35] <dholbach_> jcastro, is https://code.launchpad.net/~tribaal/ubuntu/saucy/juju-core/add-bash-completion/+merge/177287 something that should go into juju upstream instead?
[13:36] <jcastro> dholbach: I believe so
[13:37] <dholbach> jcastro, can you find somebody to get it upstream? :)
[13:37] <jcastro> dholbach: what's the next step, have someone upstream review it or do I need assign something to someone in launchpad or ?
[13:37] <dholbach> jcastro, just ask around if they want to add it there and if they do, I'll ask for this MP to be closed
[13:37] <jcastro> got it, thanks
[13:47] <dholbach> seb128, looks like https://code.launchpad.net/~adam-stokes/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.saucy/+merge/177469 would add sosreport to desktop recommends - is this what you'd want?
[13:49] <seb128> dholbach, I would prefer not adding new python2 code to the default installation ... any way that could be ported to python3?
[13:49] <seb128> stokachu, ^
[14:20] <dholbach> ScottK, Riddell: I just had a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~ari-tczew/ubuntu/saucy/networkmanagement/lp-1205545/+merge/177297 and it looks good to me - I just wanted to confirm if http://paste.ubuntu.com/5929192/ (debdiff of the resulting .deb files) looks OK to you too?
[14:20] <dholbach> it looks like the header files should not have been included in the shipped package in the first place, right?
[14:21]  * Riddell looks
[14:26] <Riddell> dholbach: the libraries have different so name versions presumably it was build on a different version of kdelibs, if the packaging doesn't care about that then it looks good to me
[14:27] <dholbach> Riddell, at least it builds fine for me
[14:27] <Riddell> dholbach: yeah go ahead then thanks
[14:27] <dholbach> rock and roll
[14:27] <dholbach> thanks!
[14:42] <JackYu> barry, hi, do you have more comments on the bugs (bug #1203931 and bug #1203958) I filed?
[14:44] <barry> JackYu: i'm sorry, i'm totally slammed with other work right now.  can you ping me again in a couple of days? ;)
[14:44] <barry> JackYu: or maybe ping dholbach if he's still patch piloting
[14:45] <dholbach> I'm not a scope expert, so somebody from the desktop team would be good - I can do a general packaging review though
[14:46] <seb128> dholbach, there is nothing else than packaging review to do there
[14:46] <dholbach> ok
[14:46] <dholbach> I'll check them out in a bit
[14:48] <seb128> dholbach, I would appreciate if you sponsor them, so I can review them in NEW for the Kylin guys
[14:48] <seb128> dholbach, if I sponsor I can't do NEW review as well
[14:48] <dholbach> sure sure
[14:49] <JackYu> barry, dholbach, seb128, thanks:)
[14:53] <JackYu> dholbach, if you have any feedback or suggestion, please let me know.
[14:53] <dholbach> will do
[14:53] <JackYu> :)
[15:09] <dholbach> JackYu, seb128: video looks good - uploading
[15:09] <dholbach> JackYu, seb128: photo needs a bit of work
[15:11] <seb128> dholbach, thanks
[15:12] <JackYu> dholbach, thanks, we will improve  photo according to your comments asap.
[15:13] <dobey> jbicha: the removal of *.omf is because there's no more scrollkeeper?
[15:14] <jbicha> dobey: I don't know all the details but scrollkeeper is unnecessary these days
[15:14] <dobey> jbicha: right. just want to understand why the omf is deleted. does the new stuff not use the omf files?
[15:16] <jbicha> right
[15:16] <dobey> ok
[15:17] <jbicha> scrollkeeper was before my time so I'm honestly not even sure what it was used for
[15:18] <dobey> it was the help docs indexing stuff
[15:19]  * dobey would happily just get rid of the "help" docs for most apps anyway
[15:40] <dholbach> JackYu, seb128: so I run into http://paste.ubuntu.com/5929456/ - it seems like the tarball in bug 1203958 has a debian/ directory included already
[15:41] <dholbach> so I think I don't need to use lp:~jingjing20061278/unity-china-photo-scope/unity-china-photo-scope.pkg for packaging, right?
[15:41] <dholbach> I tried to debug the build in a number of ways, but didn't succeed yet
[15:41] <dholbach> the setup.py uses a local build_i18n_ext.py script which I'm a bit unsure about
[15:42] <dholbach> ./build_i18n_ext.py and ./setup.py both seem to use python2, while the rest of the code uses python3
[15:44] <dholbach> also it looks like Architecture should be "all" and not "any"
[15:47] <JackYu> dholbach, let me check.
[15:55] <infinity> pitti: I've probably asked you this before, but does your optipng magic parallelise at all?
[15:55] <infinity> pitti: With all our buildds being multi-core, and that part of the build taking forever, it would be nice if it did...
[15:56] <dholbach> JackYu, seb128: I'll add my findings to the bug report
[15:56] <dholbach> unfortunately I'm not able to fix it :-/
[15:57] <dholbach> I tried to compare with a bunch of other packages using "--with translations,python3"
[15:57] <dholbach> but I still was unable to fix it
[15:57] <dholbach> @pilot out
[15:57] <seb128> ok
[15:57] <seb128> dholbach, thanks for the help/reviews
[15:57] <pitti> infinity: no it doesn't at the moment; that would mean splitting into (up to) parallel=N processes within the wrapped dpkg-deb, right?
[15:58] <JackYu> dholbach, thank you. we will debug it and ping you tomorrow  (it's middle night here:)).
[15:58] <infinity> pitti: Or something, yeah.  Though, I guess dh_builddeb itself can parallelize, if one runs dh --parallel, so maybe that's the real answer.
[15:58] <dholbach> ok - all the bes then! :)
[15:59] <infinity> pitti: Oh, but that doesn't help on sources with a single massive binary package full of PNGs.
[15:59] <pitti> infinity: indeed, dh_builddeb already forks off dpkg-builddeb N times
[16:00] <pitti> infinity: oh arg, I know why
[16:00] <pitti> bug 893826
[16:00] <pitti> infinity: we actually override dh_builddeb to avoid exactly this
[16:01] <infinity> pitti: Oh, that actually works in our favour here.
[16:01] <infinity> pitti: Cause we then have control over this and don't have to balance "maybe it's parallel" with "maybe it's not" and try not to starve our CPUs.
[16:01] <pitti> infinity: so if we want to parallelize, we need a more clever way to predict which symlink will be done where
[16:02] <pitti> infinity: or save the original parallel value and fork off processes ourselves
[16:02] <infinity> pitti: We can just always assume we're serially processing debs when we get to dpkg-deb --build, and then use DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel to fork more optipng bits.
[16:03] <pitti> infinity: right, the dh_builddeb wrapper could export something based on the original $D_B_O
[16:04]  * infinity grabs the mangler source to see how mangled it is these days.
[16:09]  * pitti waves good night
[16:12] <infinity> pitti: Toodles.
[18:44] <gQuigs> I was wondering if all the desktop related lucid bugs on here: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html could just be closed
[18:44] <gQuigs> for example: xserver-xorg-video-openchrome, gnome-power-manager and moon (moonlight)
[19:18] <gQuigs> one other (unrelated) question:  Will saucy stay on being synced from Weezy?   While Saucy+1 LTS will be based on Jesse?
[19:51] <jtaylor> saucy is synced from debian unstable
[19:51] <jtaylor> same with saucy+1
[19:52] <jtaylor> though at this stage automatic syncs are disabled but manual syncs still possible
[19:53] <jtaylor> gQuigs: ^
[19:53] <gQuigs> jtaylor: I was told to check this page to see what it is derived from: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy
[19:53] <gQuigs> which says Wheezy..  is it just wrong?
[19:55] <jtaylor> I'd say its wrong, wheezy is based on a state almost a year old while saucy is still very similar to current debian unstable
[19:58] <sarnold> is it possible to sync from debian experimental? or must packages migrate to unstable or testing first?
[19:58] <jtaylor> its possible, if there is a good reason
[19:59] <jtaylor> its common during debian freeze where experimental is used as unstable replacement, but now you shouldn't in general
[19:59] <gQuigs> hmm.. I can't find anything synced to saucy yet...
[19:59] <jtaylor> as experimental is again used for what its named
[19:59] <sarnold> ahh, makes sense..
[19:59] <gQuigs> but raring looks to be definitely based on Wheezy (and it was testing at the time)
[19:59] <jtaylor> gQuigs: what are you looking at?
[20:00] <gQuigs> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=squid3+&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all  vs http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=squid3
[20:00] <gQuigs> same thing with puppet (for raring)
[20:01] <jtaylor> that has a ubuntu diff, so its needs manual merging
[20:01] <jtaylor> it was updated atwo eeks ago but its still stuck in proposed
[20:02] <jtaylor> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squid3
[20:02] <seb128> sarnold, what do you want to get synced?
[20:03] <roaksoax> mterry: howdy! any ideas why crmsh has not been promoted to main?
[20:04] <sarnold> seb128: pdns; the powerdns team is thinking of treating 3.3 as a LTS themselves, so I think it'd be nice to have in saucy before 14.04 LTS.. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/pdns-server
[20:04] <mterry> roaksoax, looking
[20:04] <seb128> sarnold, do you know why it's in experimental and not unstable?
[20:04] <sarnold> (though I doubt the powerdns guys intend six years of support)
[20:04] <gQuigs> oh ok, so when puppet eventually autosyncs, puppet 3.2.1 should be pulled from debian unstable?  (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/puppet)
[20:05] <sarnold> seb128: no. the debian maintainer is not too pleased with ubuntu as a whole, so I've decided to not push his buttons any further by asking :)
[20:05] <mterry> roaksoax, I just think it hasn't happened yet.  Maybe poke an archive admin
[20:05] <jtaylor> gQuigs: puppet is up to date in saucy
[20:05] <roaksoax> mterry: will do! thanks!
[20:05] <sarnold> seb128: I believe there is conf.d/ style changes in configuration though, I believe that caused a fair amount of extra effort.
[20:06] <seb128> sarnold, ok, there is a good chance it lands in unstable before the next LTS, we can wait for a bit (or just sync if somebody is looking after it)...
[20:07] <sarnold> seb128: cool, thanks :)
[20:10] <gQuigs> jtaylor: damn, sorry - you are right;  package.u.com failed me :/
[20:10] <jtaylor> gQuigs: launchpad and the debian pts are better sources of information
[20:11] <jtaylor> protip: bind a keyword search to http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html?src=%s
[20:13]  * SpamapS updates aging "on dev release since maverick" box to saucy wondering "will this be the upgrade that kills it?"
[20:55] <doko> slomo__, seb128: I hate gst-plugins ...
[20:55] <doko> why is libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev built form gst-plugins, and not from gstreamer itself?
[21:02] <seb128> doko, because gstreamer is a framework and the plugins are optional/different sources?
[21:02] <doko> seb128, yes, but the plugins comes with a rat tail of dependencies
[21:03] <seb128> doko, base not much, but the other ones do...
[21:03] <doko> different question, how do I build plugins-base as a DEB_STAGE=stage1 build without these deps?
[21:04] <doko> my problem is libtheora, and maybe gnomegvfs
[21:04] <doko> so being able to build without these two would be good
[21:06] <seb128> I don't know about gst to answer that...
[21:07] <doko> seb128, so slomo__ ?
[21:07] <seb128> yes
[21:12] <slomo__> doko: just disable those plugins then, remove from build deps and remove the two files from debian/*.install
[21:15] <Laney> doko: you might like --disable-external too
[21:51] <doko> Laney, how do I tell cdbs not to build a certain package?
[22:00] <Taggg> hi, can anyone tell me the proper branch to propose this fix be merged into? https://code.launchpad.net/~mar-kolya/ubuntu/raring/acpid/fix-for-1184831
[22:00] <Taggg> i'm not sure if i should propose merge into raring, saucy, or something else?
[22:02] <sarnold> Taggg: I believe the usual approach is to propose to devel first to make sure the bug doesn't come back in the future :)
[22:02] <Taggg> sarnold: would that be this? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/acpid/saucy
[22:04] <Taggg> sarnold: i'm not too familiar with the series/milestone terminology
[22:05] <sarnold> Taggg: yes, that looks correct
[22:06] <Taggg> sarnold: great thanks! one more question: how long do merge requests typically take to go through?
[22:06] <sarnold> Taggg: hrm, dunno, but patch pilots do look at the backlog of patches daily to move things along
[22:09] <cjwatson> gQuigs: Trust me, it's definitely synced from unstable, as was raring - I operate the auto-sync.  Launchpad's derivation information is wrong because it was hard to make it correct, but it's also basically irrelevant.
[22:09] <Taggg> sarnold: so what's the difference between proposing a merge into raring and raring-proposed?
[22:10] <Taggg> sarnold: is raring-proposed for bigger more-disruptive changes?
[22:10] <cjwatson> Stable releases aren't for disruptive changes at all.  Virtually all changes belong in saucy, the current development series
[22:10] <sarnold> Taggg: yes, raring-proposed is used for Stable Release Updates -- people who have reported bugs can find the fixes in the -proposed area, test them out, and mark the validation in the bug a success or failure
[22:10] <cjwatson> raring* is only for things following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[22:13] <Taggg> sarnold, cjwatson: great thanks! yeah i'm not doing an SRU, haha, so saucy it is :)
[22:21] <doko> Laney, works! now how to teach cdbs ...
[23:55] <cjwatson> wg 27
[23:55] <cjwatson> sorry


[12:35] <Hinnerk> Hi. I have a question concerning propbably apache or dns configuration. Trying to manage my local network. I have a dedicated server and router in my local network. The server is running latest LTS Ubuntu, Apache2 and nextcloud (and other services of course). The router has dnsmasq (not sure if relevant). nextcloud is found under html folder, so I
[12:35] <Hinnerk> can reach nextcloud by https://myserver.local/nextcloud. I would like to reach it under https://nextcloud.local essentially hiding from users the difference whether it is a different server or subsite. Is that possible?
[12:36] <Hinnerk> Bonus question, if answer is yes: How?
[12:42] <tomreyn> Hinnerk: i guess the first question to ask is whether you are aware of the special purpose of the .local top level domain name for MDNS, and whether you chose this on purpose, or would prefer to use classic DNS.
[12:42] <Hinnerk> Oh, I wasn't. But actually I use .home Hope that'S not special too?
[12:43] <Hinnerk> Sorry, was making up names on the fly for the question to not put my stupid server names :)
[12:44] <Hinnerk> I prefer classic DNS, I understand that at least somewhat.
[12:44] <tomreyn> it's not essentially wrong to use MDNS for this purpose, it can make sense. the question now is how you want computers i your network to resolve hostnames to ip addresses
[12:44] <Hinnerk> Currently my router takes that job. It serves as DNS.
[12:45] <Hinnerk> It has hosts configured to resolve local IPs
[12:45] <tomreyn> okay, and your router lets you assign static names to ip addresses, and would resolve those for systems in your LAN?
[12:45] <Hinnerk> Yes. All servers have static IP
[12:46] <Hinnerk> And the host file knows them an the names.
[12:46] <Hinnerk> and
[12:46] <tomreyn> and can you assign multiple names to each system / LAN IP address there, too?
[12:46] <Hinnerk> I can reach them all just fine.
[12:46] <Hinnerk> I think that is standard, no?
[12:46] <Hinnerk> Just looking into the file, yes, I can.
[12:47] <tomreyn> it will depend on implementation, but yes, it's common
[12:47] <Hinnerk> Can you just append the folder on the server? So resolve nextcloud.home to serverip/nextcloud?
[12:47] <Hinnerk> That seemed too simple :)
[12:48] <tomreyn> so you should configure your router so that it will resolve DNS queries for nextcloud.home to the same IP address as that of the server hosting the nextcloud instance
[12:48] <tomreyn> either by A (and/or AAAA) or CNAME record.
[12:48] <Hinnerk> But would that not then redirect me to the html site not the nextcloud site?
[12:49] <Hinnerk> So, the parent folder, which then contains a link to nextcloud?
[12:49] <tomreyn> you need to do two configurations. one is about resolving the hostname on your LAN, i just discussed that. the other is on the webserver which hosts nextcloud
[12:49] <tomreyn> i think you mentioned you're using apache httpd there
[12:49] <Hinnerk> Yes.
[12:50] <Hinnerk> I see, two steps. First redirect via dns to the server. And then configure apache.
[12:50] <Hinnerk> So my hunch that both topics would be involved was right :)
[12:50] <tomreyn> in the virtualhost configuration file/snippet which defined the existing virtualhost for nextcloud, under the ServerName line, just add a "ServerAlias nextcloud.home" line
[12:50] <tomreyn> and you'll be done
[12:50] <Hinnerk> Awesome, thank you!
[12:51] <tomreyn> well, you need to reload the server configuration also
[12:51] <tomreyn> *webserver
[12:51] <Hinnerk> Of course, restart apache
[12:51] <tomreyn> looks like you almost solved it yourself. ;)
[12:53] <Hinnerk> Where is that file hiding again?
[12:54] <Hinnerk> the virtualhost config?
[12:54] <tomreyn> probably in /etc/apache2/sites-available/
[12:54] <Hinnerk> ah, of course.
[12:55] <tomreyn> note that if you'll create new files there or remove any you'll want to use a2ensite / a2dissite to enable / disable that sites, too
[12:56] <tomreyn> but in your case you're probably just editing an existing file
[12:59] <Hinnerk> Best to do a fresh reboot.
[13:00] <Hinnerk> Yes, just edited it. There was no Server section in the nextcloud.conf just an Alias. I added under that, is that ok?
[13:03] <tomreyn> maybe namebased virtual hosts are not enabled, yet, then
[13:03] <tomreyn> https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/vhosts/name-based.html
[13:05] <Hinnerk> No, my mistake, wrong file...
[13:09] <tomreyn> i need to leave for a while, but i think you're going to make it work. ;-)
[13:24] <Hinnerk> Ah, pity. DNS is not resolving properly. Sorry for the discon, I was rebooting my router.
[13:24] <Hinnerk> But thank you for the help.
[13:24] <Hinnerk> Got me on the way.
[14:04] <tomreyn> Hinnerk: got it working then?
[15:24] <Hinnerk50> Hi. I get a technical error message from nextcloud. The log shows that some remoteAddr is unknown. And it is probably outdated. Where is this set? How can I fix the issue?
[15:24] <Hinnerk50> Maybe Apache / SSL related.
[15:50] <tomreyn> Hinnerk10: a screenshot might help here.
[15:51] <tomreyn> you will probably also find a nextcloud support channel around the corner here if you just look for it
[15:51] <tomreyn> that'd be the better place, if this is an error message generated by nextcloud.
[15:52] <Hinnerk10> https://paste.pics/f5487c7cb0a91af953302349df5625bc
[15:56] <tomreyn> Hinnerk10: hmm, i assume you will find more info on that in nextclouds error logs, or those for apache2, either the main ones, or a specific one for nextcloud, if such exists.
[15:58] <Hinnerk10> It must be related to the earlier change. I added a secons virtualhost section to apache2, since nextcloud.home uses a difference documentroot as myserver.home. So just putting a ServerAlias was not enough. Now it works, but I get the error message :)
[15:58] <Hinnerk10> sorry for the typos. I guess you'll figure it out :)
[16:11] <Hinnerk> So I really think it is less an owncloud issue rather than an apache2 issue.
[16:11] <Hinnerk> sorry, nextcloud
[16:11] <Hinnerk> had that too, a long time ago.
[16:12] <tomreyn> Hinnerk10: this is all nextcloud specific, talk to nextcloud support, please. here's something i looked up on their forum for you: https://help.nextcloud.com/t/howto-add-a-new-trusted-domain/26
[16:12] <Hinnerk> I think I already did that :)
[16:32] <Hinnerk> Interestig.If I enter myserver.home and navigate to the nextcloud plage, the error doesn't come up and nextcloud works like a charm.
[16:32] <Hinnerk> But if I enter nextcloud.home it fails.
[16:39] <tomreyn> so you edited both apache's and nextcloud's configuration files?


[17:27] <najathrisni> HELP
[17:28] <najathrisni> Hello friends i need to know the last version of unbuntu free or not
[17:29] <najathrisni> i need to install my laptop ubuntu last version
[17:29] <najathrisni> i need to ubunthu in CD wise
[20:23] <genii> All versions of Ubuntu are free to download the ISO file. If you want the official CD/DVD then you can order one from the Ubuntu Store
[20:24] <genii> Actually it looks like they only have Xenial, on USB


[00:01] <SIR_Taco> xcv: have you found out if t works on the newer 3.0.x kernel? might be a not-so-pain-in-the-butt version of that
[00:02] <xcv> where can I get it? as I said I'm a bit afraid of kernel updates, I had bad experiences in opensuse with the nvidia proprietary driver
[00:03] <SIR_Taco> I really can't say that you wont have problems with a kernel update, but often it's the way to go.... let me find a backport of a 3 series for natty
[00:04] <xcv> SIR_Taco: ok, thank you
[00:06] <SIR_Taco> this should help: http://ubuntuguide.net/how-to-install-linux-kernel-3-0-rc2-in-ubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal
[00:10] <xcv> SIR_Taco: where can I get the pae kernel?
[00:10] <bazhang> xcv, install linux-generic-pae it'll pull everything in
[00:11] <bazhang> xcv, a very bad idea to install outside kernels (ie 3.0) in natty
[00:12] <SIR_Taco> bazhang: if you have a hardware problem... downgrade then?
[00:12] <xcv> bazhang: what should I do then? I need to update my 2.6.38-10 to >=2.6.39 because of a bug in the ath9x driver
[00:12] <bazhang> SIR_Taco, file a bug, wait for oneiric release, work with that
[00:13] <bazhang> xcv, whats the bug, link please
[00:13] <xcv> bazhang: and the 2.6.39?? where is it?
[00:13] <SIR_Taco> bazhang: I agree, but you will either need to upgrade or downgrade to get your hardware working properly again...
[00:14] <xcv> SIR_Taco: if I install it, will I be able to choose the older 2.6.38-10 in the grub menu?
[00:15] <alexThunder> i got a ppa for (currently) 3.0.7, if that would help - the mainline 3.x didn't work with the fglrx but the ppa provides a fixed one
[00:16] <SIR_Taco> xcv: yes, your old kernel will be there
[00:16] <xcv> perfect, please wait and I will be back after the install & reboot
[00:17] <SIR_Taco> xcv: ok
[00:24] <xcv> SIR_Taco?
[00:24] <SIR_Taco> yes?
[00:25] <xcv> the new kernel doesn't even recognize the card
[00:25] <xcv> i'm using the old one
[00:26] <SIR_Taco> do you still have the previous kernel for which it worked available through Grub?
[00:27] <xcv> yes, i'm using it right now, but with it, wifi sometimes suddenly disconnects and it's very annoying
[00:27] <bazhang> xcv, got the bug link?
[00:28] <xcv> no, sorry, where?
[00:28] <SIR_Taco> have ryou asked the atheros/madwifi guys?
[00:28] <bazhang> xcv, you said there was a bug with that card
[00:28] <xcv> i've seen that the bug is fixed in the 2.6.39 kernel
[00:28] <xcv> yes
[00:28] <bazhang> xcv, so bug link, please
[00:29] <xcv> wait, please, i will look for it
[00:32] <xcv> i think that it is this one, or very similar: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/726058
[00:46] <bazhang> xcv, looks like the bug report says upgrading to the http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.39-rc1-natty/ did not fix the issue. could you tell me the exact card, please ie lspci from terminal (if pci) or lsusb (if usb), then paste.ubuntu.com and give us the link
[00:48] <xcv> http://paste.ubuntu.com/659640/
[00:48] <xcv> bazhang: ↑
[00:50] <bazhang> http://blog.homelinux.org/?p=327   xcv seen this?
[00:54] <xcv> ok i just did it and i'll reboot now
[00:54] <xcv> thanks i will be back in a moment
[00:58] <xcv> bazhang: thank you, it works apparently, i just have to wait and see if it is stable now
[00:58] <xcv> =)
[01:24] <jschall_> I've switched my mother to Kubuntu. She used to use an old version (8) of dreamweaver to do her websites. I was hoping to move her to something free/open source, but it needs to be WYSIWYG and it needs to sync her files with SFTP from a local working copy.
[01:25] <raevin> anyone know if by chance deleting /etc/hosts.allow | hosts.deny will remove the tcp_wrappers ability?
[01:25] <raevin> not seeing any actual packages in regards to it specifically
[01:31] <SIR_Taco> jschall_:  http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Linux_software_equivalent_to_Windows_software is a decent list of comparisions  or Kompozer for KDE is a decent WYSIWYG program
[01:32] <alexThunder> otherwise one of them might do the job: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HTML_editors#WYSIWYG_editors , jschall_
[01:33] <SIR_Taco> thanks alexThunder
[01:35] <alexThunder> ?
[01:36] <SIR_Taco> thanking you for the extra link
[01:37] <alexThunder> oh, np :)
[01:41] <alexThunder> btw, dreamweaver 8 seems to work nice with wine
[01:41] <alexThunder> according to the app db
[02:24] <julien> aaa
[03:23] <vuth_> kubunutu??
[03:28] <linuxguy> Hi all.......ive been trying to install modelines etc on kubuntu 11.04 using kate /kwrite as root.......but when i try and save the xorg.conf file ......it refuses to.....any ideas would be great......thanks
[04:03] <linuxguy>  Hi all.......ive been trying to install modelines etc on kubuntu 11.04 using kate /kwrite as root.......but when i try and save the xorg.conf file ......it refuses to.....any ideas would be great......thanks
[04:04] <ArchangelSe7en> define "refuses to"
[04:04] <ArchangelSe7en> does it return any error messages ?
[04:05] <well_laid_lawn> kubuntu doesn't have a root
[04:06] <well_laid_lawn> !root
[04:06] <linuxguy> ArchangelSe7en, ..........."cannot save to xorg.conf file" you do not have enough permission, "close", save" dont save"
[04:07] <ArchangelSe7en> read up linuxguy ^^^
[04:08] <well_laid_lawn> sudo kate /path/to/file is all you'll need if you can use sudo
[04:09] <well_laid_lawn> or I should say  kdesudo kate
[04:09] <linuxguy> ArchangelSe7en, yes have ridden that..........i have tried to use kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf i can get access to it (the xorg.conf file) but it will not save at all come up with same message I posted earlier
[04:09] <ArchangelSe7en> in your case "sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[04:09] <well_laid_lawn> !kdesudo
[04:10] <well_laid_lawn> apologies for that slip
[04:11] <well_laid_lawn> linuxguy: in your terminal of choice what does   ls -lh /etc/X11/xorg.conf   return?
[04:12] <linuxguy> well_laid_lawn, -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.0K 2011-08-05 03:22 /etc/X11/xorg.conf is what i see
[04:13] <well_laid_lawn> so with sudo privileges you should be able to edit that file
[04:13] <well_laid_lawn> try in a terminal with nano
[04:14] <linuxguy> maybe i am not in the sudoers file.........i will have to look into that later as its late here now........5:15AM and Im about to get some sleep.........pls keep posting.........i will be awake soon........its obviously something Ive missed out here :(
[04:14] <well_laid_lawn> s/nano/sudo nano/
[04:14] <linuxguy> nite all.........and thanks........I will read the messages latrs :)
[04:15] <well_laid_lawn> not much more anyone could add at this stage...
[04:15] <well_laid_lawn> nite :)
[06:13] <Guest56161> admin
[07:20] <salvatore> !list
[07:21] <DarkwingDuck> what you looking for salvatore?
[07:26] <venkata> Hello everybody
[07:26] <DarkwingDuck> Greetings
[07:27] <venkata> thanks..
[07:28] <venkata> i have a problem regarding fonts. In system settings i have downloaded few kdm login themes. after that the system font become small and looks like monochrome
[07:28] <venkata> i havent changed fonts at all
[07:29] <venkata> the fonts looks very bad. But the font on KMENU is same as before. ( smooth font)
[07:29] <venkata> plz help me
[07:31] <DarkwingDuck> So, the themes changed the fonts?
[07:31] <DarkwingDuck> have you checked the system stetting for the font change?
[07:32] <venkata> no actually i browsed some theme, when clicked on download button they appear as downloaded. but once i closed the dialog no new themes appear there
[07:32] <venkata> after that the fonts has changed
[07:33] <DarkwingDuck> Interesting.
[07:33] <DarkwingDuck> Just login themes?
[07:33] <venkata> yes
[07:34] <venkata> this has happened several times before when i played around installing some themes (LOGIN and other) the system fonts looks monochrome
[07:35] <venkata> thanks for ur reply
[07:36] <DarkwingDuck> How did you fix it last time?
[07:36] <DarkwingDuck> I'm trying to re-create it on my system...
[07:36] <venkata> no i couldnt i have re installed Kubuntu
[07:36] <DarkwingDuck> 11.04?
[07:37] <well_laid_lawn> try changing the font in system settings
[07:37] <venkata> no presently 10.10
[07:37] <venkata> can i send a screenshot
[07:38] <DarkwingDuck> sure.
[07:38] <venkata> i am new to IRC
[07:38] <venkata> how could i ? i am on quassel
[07:39] <well_laid_lawn> !paste
[07:39] <well_laid_lawn>  To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add
[07:39] <venkata> ok thanks
[07:40]  * DarkwingDuck uses imm.io but, imagebin works :D
[07:40] <DarkwingDuck> I should get some sleep...
[07:41] <venkata> http://imagebin.org/166630
[07:41] <venkata> hi i have uploaded the screen shot at the above url
[07:41] <venkata> plz have look if u can
[07:42] <DarkwingDuck> What fonts are messed up?
[07:42] <venkata> all system ones .. like
[07:42] <venkata> all applications
[07:43] <venkata> dolphin
[07:43] <venkata> u could see in the screen shot the font difference between Kmenu font and others
[07:44] <venkata> http://imagebin.org/166630
[07:47] <venkata> Any idea plz ?
[07:48] <DarkwingDuck> I can't recreate the issue... Have you tried changing the system fonts in system settings?
[07:49] <Boomboy> venkata: Did you try uninstalling the themes you downloaded?
[07:50] <venkata> actually no themes were downloaded  into system. when i clicked install , in the theme browse dialog, that themes were appeared as installed
[07:50] <venkata> after closing the dialog there are no themes in the list
[07:50] <Boomboy> yes I know.. I remember something like that happening
[07:51] <venkata> only default theme there
[07:52] <venkata> any workaround for the issue
[07:54] <Boomboy> venkata: system settings ->application appreance
[07:55] <Boomboy> and then try changing the fonts
[07:55] <venkata> plz have a look at my current font setting in the following image
[07:57] <venkata> http://imagebin.org/166633
[07:57] <venkata> sorry for late response. my net speed is very slow
[07:58] <DarkwingDuck> Does it change if you click the "defaults" button?
[07:58] <Boomboy> yes try default
[07:58] <Boomboy> even I have the same settings...heh
[07:58] <venkata> ya i havent changed the font settings infact.
[07:58] <venkata> ok let me try with fonts
[07:59] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, 4am, time for sleep. Good luck venkata
[07:59] <venkata> thanks
[08:00] <DarkwingDuck> Sorry I couldn't help more. :/
[08:00] <venkata> have a sound sleep
[08:00] <venkata> thanks all for ur response
[08:00] <DarkwingDuck> Eh, My kids will prolly get me up in about 3 hours.
[08:00] <venkata> hahha :)
[08:08] <venkata> thanks.. when i clicked on defaults.. all fonts have changed from ubuntu font to Sans Serif
[08:08] <venkata> this time the font size has been increased
[08:08] <venkata> but the new font has rough edges still
[08:08] <Boomboy> ah :)
[08:09] <venkata> not as smooth as when installed kubuntu
[08:09] <venkata> u could see the diff before and after the change in this chat box itself
[09:23] <onebitxajax> hi to all
[09:23] <onebitxajax> houston we have a problem
[09:23] <onebitxajax> :D
[09:24] <onebitxajax> i installeed the kubuntu 11.4 using the 4gb dvd
[09:24] <onebitxajax> i am using 2 monitor 1 is my mobile the other is an lcd monitor
[09:25] <onebitxajax> everytime i boot i can't see the windows openede but if i use alt+tab i see there there is windows
[09:25] <onebitxajax> but after i choose one it disappear and the only think i see is the walpaper
[09:25] <onebitxajax> thing*
[09:26] <onebitxajax> in the second monitor it's like kwin and plasma-desktop not running
[09:26] <onebitxajax> so i can open dolphin but there isn't the  close button
[09:26] <onebitxajax> can someone hellp me?
[09:52] <Hunni> hellooooo
[09:53] <GirlyGirl> Hunni: Hi
[09:54] <Hunni> hi
[09:55] <Hunni> girlygirl Where is everybody
[09:56] <GirlyGirl> Hunni: I did something to them hahaha ... and you are next on my list
[09:57] <Hunni> what makes u think your not oon my list hahaha
[09:58] <Hunni> Helloooo everyone that joined in
[09:59] <Hunni> GirlyGirl  Cat got ur tongue
[10:00] <GirlyGirl> Hunni: We shall see
[10:00] <well_laid_lawn> find another channel please
[10:02] <Hunni> GirlyGirl Whats Wrong Hunni, U can talk to me! there is not need for that! if something is bothering u talk to me
[10:03] <GirlyGirl> Hunni: ok #kubuntu-offtopic for such
[10:04] <Hunni> EVeryone b careful GirlGirl Apperently does something to some of us hahahaa
[10:04] <Hunni> So GirlyGirl where are U from then
[10:05] <onebitxajax> how can i use double monitor?
[10:05] <onebitxajax> i now deleted the .kde
[10:05] <onebitxajax> one monitor have kde ok the other don't have enithing
[10:05] <onebitxajax> how can i set it to run kde?
[10:05] <onebitxajax> on the second monitor there is only the wallpaper
[10:05] <onebitxajax> and mouse of course :)
[10:05] <onebitxajax> on right click i can add widgets and other thing but it's like kwin and plasma-desktop is not tunning on second monitor
[10:05] <onebitxajax> can someone help me?
[10:05] <FloodBotK1> onebitxajax: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:06] <onebitxajax> at where it stop?
[10:07] <tsimpson> onebitxajax: what do you mean? you said it has a wallpaper and you can add widgets, so KDE is running fine
[10:08] <onebitxajax> tsimpson: no
[10:08] <onebitxajax> tsimpson: because there isn't the pannel
[10:08] <tsimpson> so add one
[10:08] <onebitxajax> tsimpson: if i add one and open a dolphin it open it without the close buttone
[10:08] <onebitxajax> withoute the composite
[10:09] <onebitxajax> buahaha
[10:09] <onebitxajax> now if i open something on monitor 1 it appear on monitor 2
[10:09] <onebitxajax> buahaah
[10:09] <onebitxajax> there is something wrong with configuration of 2 monitor
[10:09] <Hunni> onebitxajax Sorry i cant help u  :(
[10:10] <onebitxajax> Hunni: nope
[10:10] <tsimpson> I have 2 monitors, works fine
[10:10] <onebitxajax> how tou configure them?
[10:10] <tsimpson> from System Settings
[10:10] <tsimpson> System Settings -> Display and Monitor
[10:12] <Hunni> onebitxajax what do u mean Nope
[10:12] <onebitxajax> tsimpson: i see ongly 1 monitor in system setting but on nvidia there is 2
[10:12] <onebitxajax> Hunni: :P
[10:13] <Hunni> Anyway Nevermind was just being Nice
[10:13] <onebitxajax> Hunni: ghghghg
[10:14] <Hunni> loool Who im i Kiddin being Nice loooool
[10:14] <onebitxajax> okk rebbot
[10:14] <onebitxajax> i will reboot and try to reinstall all system
[10:14] <onebitxajax> :/
[10:15] <Hunni> so where u fromm then? nd are u M\F
[10:15] <tsimpson> onebitxajax: you probably need nvidia-settings to configure the nvidia graphics I guess
[10:16] <tsimpson> Hunni: #kubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter, #kubuntu is for support only
[10:16] <Hunni> Tsimpson well done that is correct
[10:17] <tsimpson> Hunni: if you know it's correct, then you'll stop the offtopic chat in here
[10:18] <Hunni> And ur point is?!!!!!
[10:19] <Hunni> u just jeolous that im not talking 2u
[10:19] <GirlyGirl> Hunni: to join #kubuntu-offtopic unless you have a support request
[10:22] <onebitxajax> ok
[10:22] <onebitxajax> when asking to install the third party software
[10:22] <onebitxajax> what kind of software it will install?
[10:22] <onebitxajax> (in the installation procedure)
[10:25] <xcv> hello everybody
[10:27] <xcv> i was configuring the plasma dashboard and i remembered that in opensuse i was able to set a hot corner fot it, but now in kubuntu i can't... is it possible anyways?
[10:34] <tsimpson> xcv: it's in System Settings, either under Workspace or Window Behaviour (I think)
[10:42] <xcv> tsimpson: okay, i see it now, it was translated into panel, thank you
[10:59] <naseem> why there is no major change in kde???
[11:00] <dnivra> naseem: I believe KDE 4.7 is out? isn't that major enough?(and this wouldn't be the right place to ask this question IMO)
[11:02] <naseem> I'm new here...what is the question of disscussion here??
[11:02] <dnivra> before I redirect you, are you asking why there is no major change in KDE or KDE in ubuntu?
[11:09] <naseem> Cannot ping nokia n900 with kde network manger!!!!!!!
[11:37] <kevin306> peace
[11:53] <point> hi
[12:09] <Imek> Hey guys, I'm trying to get the enable/disable shortcut on my ASUS 1215n to work via synaptiks
[12:10] <Imek> But when I try to bind it via the KDE settings, it says the key is not supported by Qt.. anyone know of a way around this?
[12:10] <Imek> It's an Fn+F9 shortcut
[12:16] <Peace-> Imek: mmm
[12:21] <linuxguy> Hi........I am trying to edit my xorg.conf file to get a better resolution than the basic 1024x768 res.........ive followed other instructions earlier, but they didnnt work well........im using kubuntu 11.04/kde 4.7 and a nvidia 9500gt card.... i have better resolutions with other distros
[12:24] <Peace-> linuxguy: mm have you installed proprietary driver ?
[12:25] <linuxguy> Peace-, i used the aditional drivers from kubuntu
[12:25] <Peace-> linuxguy: i guess , i am not sure but i think to remember you have to do sudo nvidia-settings
[12:25] <Peace-> something like that
[12:26] <Peace-> maybe from that panel o that application you can set better your stuff
[12:26] <Peace-> i have intel
[12:27] <linuxguy> Peace-, there was an experimental driver........but it didnt say what it was.........i think I have the awful nouveau driver :(
[12:28] <Peace-> linuxguy: have you seen the wiki ?
[12:28] <Peace-> !nvidia
[12:30] <linuxguy> Peace-, aahh something interesting here.......ive just clicked on hardare drivers.....it says i have the 3D driver activated.......but also says its not in use.......maybe now i need to blacklist the nouveau driver?
[12:30] <Peace-> mm
[12:30] <Peace-> jokey-kde
[12:30] <Peace-> screenshot
[12:34] <linuxguy> brb
[12:52] <pranavrc> The 'Enable Wireless' option in the network manager isn't highlighted..I'm not able to enable it, can someone assist?
[12:55] <dnivra> pranavrc: do you have a separate switch that turn the wireless on?
[12:55] <dnivra> s/turn/turns
[12:56] <pranavrc> I do, but that button never works in Kubuntu, I used to enable wireless through the network manager.
[12:58] <Peace-> pranavrc: have you used suspend ?
[12:58] <Peace-> or supend to ram ?
[12:58] <Peace-> suspend
[12:58] <tonymc> anyone here experienced with packaging? there's no one alive on #ubuntu-packaging, and i have a question
[12:59] <Peace-> tonymc: i know something but something is something = not atos
[12:59] <Peace-> alots
[13:00] <tonymc> well i just need some advice with versioning
[13:00] <tonymc> i'm making a PPA, and the program is new so is not present in either Debian or Ubuntu repos
[13:01] <Peace-> ok
[13:01] <Peace-> so...
[13:01] <tonymc> i've read launchpad help but it assumes that the user is making an update of existing package
[13:01] <Peace-> mmm
[13:01] <tonymc> so how do i version it? upstream version is 0.5.1, do i put it as 0.5.1-0ppa1 or what?
[13:02] <tonymc> dput complains about orig.tar.gz not being "needed" so i assume i am doing it wrong
[13:02] <Peace-> have you made the file control ?
[13:02] <tonymc> i've made everything
[13:03] <Peace-> i guess you have to upload the folder
[13:03] <Peace-> lauchpad will compile and create the package
[13:03] <Peace-> if you did everything well
[13:04] <tonymc> it's there on the build queue right now
[13:05] <Peace-> i guess the name is specified on the control file
[13:05] <tonymc> i know the name is specified in the control, what i am asking is what is the proper way to actually assign a version number
[13:05] <Peace-> so when you have written that you have done everything you need in oder to compile it on lauchpad
[13:05] <Peace-> **^i guess**^
[13:06] <tonymc> i mean, should i name it 0.5.1-0ppa1, or 0.5.1-ppa1 or something else
[13:06] <Peace-> the important thing is 0.5.1
[13:06] <dnivra> tonymc: maybe #ubuntu-motu could help?
[13:06] <Peace-> maybe then you can add yournamerepository
[13:06] <Peace-> ppa1 mean the first version of the package
[13:08] <tonymc> i'll ask there thanks
[13:08] <Peace-> tonymc: 6.0~b5+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[13:08] <Peace-> 0.3.1-0ubuntu1
[13:09] <Peace-> something like that
[13:09] <tonymc> i think that's for packages already present in ubuntu repo, no?
[13:10] <tonymc> or changed to ubuntu from debian
[13:12] <Peace-> tonymc:  look  at this 0.8.0-0ubuntu0~sunab~lucid1
[13:12] <Peace-> that it was fo kdenlive ppa made by kdenlive team
[13:13] <tonymc> what does sunab stand for?
[13:13] <Peace-> tonymc: it's the name of the user
[13:13] <Peace-> tonymc: https://launchpad.net/~sunab/+archive/kdenlive-release
[13:24] <ThePub> what is this "New Activity" thing on the side of the desktop?
[13:28] <ThePub> desktop seems to be as performant as the classic ubuntu desktop, even after turning off effects.  disappointing :(
[13:30] <James147> ThePub: in kde activities are a way of grouping tasks (atm they can hold different applciation, widgets and wallpapers) much like virtual desktop do except they can be stoped and started... also there are plans to extend their functionality to expose features to applcations
[13:30] <James147> (so that they can react differently depending on what activity they are on)
[13:36] <ThePub> strange.  will have to find a way to turn that off.  annoying with it sitting there.
[13:37] <ThePub> now if I could just get the desktop to react like regular ubuntu (fast), would be a happy camper :)
[13:41] <tonymc> no one forcing you to use activities, but the feature can't be turned off the same way you can't really turn off virtual desktops
[13:42] <James147> but you can remove the widget ^^
[13:42] <James147> (and delete any extra activities)
[13:42] <James147> ^^ try turning off nepomuks indexer and see if that helps with performance
[13:45] <ThePub> when I moved the bar to the top, next thing I knew there was an additional tab along the side of the desktop which says "New Activity".  Not being a KDE user I have zero clue how it got there.  Must have clicked something unintentionally, the desktop is performing really poorly in comparison to regular Ubuntu.
[13:46] <Peace--> ThePub: your language , i mean the first one is english?
[13:47] <Peace--> ThePub: http://www.youtube.com/user/gotbletu#p/search/3/RRJJ4tG4lFQ  for activity
[13:56] <DarkriftX> can anyone here think what could be causing my dbus-daemon to start using 99% cpu until killed? this happens almost once a week lately and until I kill it, no other programs will run
[14:35] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[14:44] <venkata> Hi all
[14:45] <venkata> i have a small problem..my kubuntu has been upgraded from 10.10 to 11.04. Update went fine. But i cant enable desktop effects
[14:46] <venkata> this message frequently : Desktop effects were too slow and have been suspended.
[14:46] <venkata> If this was only a temporary problem, you can resume using the 'Alt+Shift+F12' shortcut.
[14:46] <venkata> You can disable functionality checks in System Settings (on the Advanced tab in Desktop Effects).
[14:46] <BluesKaj> venkata, which graphics cards ?
[14:46] <BluesKaj> card rather
[14:46] <venkata> no proprietary
[14:46] <venkata> only Intel
[14:47] <venkata> how do i know graphics chipset details ? any command
[14:47] <BluesKaj> lspci | grep video
[14:48] <venkata> no output
[14:48] <venkata> with the above command. command simply exists
[14:48] <BluesKaj> lspci | grep VGA
[14:49] <venkata> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[14:50] <BluesKaj> so no recommended drivers in additonal drivers ?
[14:50] <venkata> that message i didnt get as part of upgrade
[14:50] <venkata> when 10.10 freshly installed earlier i didnt even get that
[14:51] <venkata> on 10.10 desktop effects were fine
[14:52] <venkata> where i can search in KDE for additional drivers info .. ?
[14:52] <venkata> thanks for replies
[14:52] <BluesKaj> kmenu>apps>system>additional drivers
[14:52] <venkata> i found in Kmenu
[14:52] <venkata> thanks
[14:53] <venkata> it came with no proprietary drivers are used in system
[14:53] <BluesKaj> and no recommended listed?
[14:54] <venkata> yes no recommendations
[14:57] <venkata> when effects enabled .. they are inforce for some time. after that disabling message popping out.
[14:58] <venkata> the desktop cube effect was smoother earlier .. now it is very slow.
[14:59] <BluesKaj> venkata, look in your package manager for xserver-xorg-video-intel to see if it's installed
[14:59] <venkata> ok
[14:59] <venkata> thanks'
[15:00] <venkata> yes installed
[15:12] <venkata> hello BluesKaj sorry for interrution
[15:12] <venkata> any updates?
[15:14] <BluesKaj> venkata, I see in the forums , some have been successful with the ' i915.modeset=0 ',  workaround
[15:17] <Boomboy> All, am trying to decrease brightness for this laptop and am not able to find an option in system settings to do that?
[16:09] <rbetzen> Boomboy, you should be able to find the System Settings > Power Management option.
[16:09] <rbetzen> under Performance there is a brightness option.
[16:10] <BluesKaj> rbetzen, he left
[16:11] <rbetzen> Yea, saw that after the fact.
[16:13] <BluesKaj> interesting that the option isn't in the display and monitor section , it would make more sense , even tho the power management is part of it's control
[16:14] <BluesKaj> rbetzen, seems to me display is the first section that comes to mind
[16:15] <rbetzen> True. I checked there first myself.  I had to look at the whole system settings and ask myself  if anything else could lend itself to the task before I realized I needed to check into power management.
[16:17] <rbetzen> It would be interesting to have a bunch of people sit and do some tasks and see how often they have to hunt things down rather than just naturally go to the right option.
[16:18] <BluesKaj> it's confusing to new users , i don't understand why these things are setup to be so arcane
[16:19] <Peace--> BluesKaj: nvidia card and dual monitor
[16:19] <Peace--> BluesKaj: do you know something ?
[16:19] <Peace--> i have a user that has some problems
[16:20] <rbetzen> I'm thinking that brightness actually fits under both options.  I'm not sure how to fix this one.  Maybe put the brightness control under monitors and reworking PowerDevil to just make the brightness adjustments automatically depending on settings.
[16:21] <BluesKaj> Peace--, sorry I have no experience with dual monitors
[16:21] <rbetzen> None here either, sorry.
[16:22] <onebitxajax> òhola amigos
[16:22] <BluesKaj> rbetzen, yes , one would think a simple hidden link would work
[16:29] <AciD__> how do you reset/relaunch the sound server, sometime it just freeze then no more output sounds
[16:30] <BluesKaj> AciD__,  are you sure it isn't the player that's causing the problem ?
[16:31] <AciD__> BluesKaj: perhaps it could be the cause of pulseaudio or whatever backend is outputing sounds, but now I'm trying to listen to sounds from different programs, same effect : nothing
[16:31] <AciD__> i tried with clementine, juk, kaffeine, vlc..
[16:31] <AciD__> I'd hate to reboot for this :o
[16:32] <AciD__> is there a service  sound restart cmd I could use ?
[16:32] <AciD__> I tried /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart but it tells me : PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions
[16:35] <BluesKaj> AciD__, that means you have to at least logout and back in again to restart pulseaudio ...personally i don't use pulseaudio , alsamixer does the job on my setup
[16:36] <AciD__> BluesKaj: I use the default kubuntu config, perhaps not even pusleaudio, though it's running "/usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog"
[16:38] <BluesKaj> AciD__, just look in system settings>multimedia>phonon
[16:38] <AciD__> hum
[16:39] <AciD__> just got the sound back after going to alsamixer and disabling auto-mute
[16:39] <BluesKaj> check what audio playback device is in use
[16:39] <AciD__> not sure why this changed something
[16:39] <AciD__> BluesKaj: gstreamer, got only this backend
[16:40] <BluesKaj> gstreamer is ok , but since vlc is my media player , I use the vlc phonon plugin
[16:40] <AciD__> to be exact, I disabled auto-mute, then tried to output sounds with mpg123
[16:41] <AciD__> I didn't know there was a phonon backend for vlc
[16:41] <AciD__> is it necessary, I mean, I use vlc with kde without problem
[16:42] <BluesKaj> AciD__, are you on 10.10 ?
[16:43] <AciD__> nop, 11.04
[16:43] <AciD__> with kde 4.6.2
[16:45] <BluesKaj> odd, alsamixer no longer shows automute here , kde 4.7
[16:46] <BluesKaj> I fail to see why kde 4.7 would delete it
[16:46] <BluesKaj> or how
[16:46] <subr00t> hi
[16:47] <subr00t> is the TelepathyQt4 preinstalled in Kubuntu 10.10 (KDE 4.5.1) ??
[16:47] <kevin_> hello guys i have necounterd with one problem could anyone plaese help me
[16:47] <BluesKaj> kevin_, just ask your question
[16:48] <kevin_> wait a sec
[16:48] <kevin_> i will upload the snapshot
[16:50] <kevin_> i am getting some question marks in the names of some mp3 files
[16:51] <kevin_> and i am not able to copy, cut or rename these files pls help
[16:51] <BluesKaj> kevin_, check permissions
[16:52] <kevin_> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/194/snapshot9i.png/
[16:52] <kevin_> pls see this snapshot
[16:53] <kevin_> those files have got read write permissions
[16:55] <kevin_> i got this error when i tried moving the files using the terminal
[16:55] <kevin_> cp: cannot stat `/mnt/sda5/MUSIK/western_classical/Antonio Vivaldi - 12 Concerti for Oboe and Violin op. 7/CD2/Concerto N\3709 en si b\202mol majeur, RV 373 - 08 - II. Grave.mp3': Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character
[16:55] <kevin_> any one there?
[17:01] <BluesKaj> kevin_, what's the destination folder or dir ?...paste the whole command
[17:02] <kevin_> kevin@kevin-desktop:~/jdownloader/Antonio Vivaldi - 12 Concerti for Oboe and Violin op. 7$ ls
[17:02] <kevin_> CD2
[17:02] <kevin_> kevin@kevin-desktop:~/jdownloader/Antonio Vivaldi - 12 Concerti for Oboe and Violin op. 7$ cp -r CD2 "/mnt/sda5/MUSIK/western_classical/Antonio Vivaldi - 12 Concerti for Oboe and Violin op. 7"
[17:02] <FloodBotK1> kevin_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:04] <kevin_> ok
[17:04] <kevin_> how to solve this issue
[17:05] <BluesKaj> kevin_, shouldn't the command be : cp -r CD2 "/mnt/sda5/MUSIK/western_classical/Antonio Vivaldi - 12 Concerti for Oboe and Violin op. 7" :~/jdownloader/Antonio Vivaldi - 12 Concerti for Oboe and Violin op. 7$
[17:06] <kevin_> yes
[17:07] <kevin_> but my partitions are premounted
[17:08] <BluesKaj> I don't see why you are using the mount command then
[17:11] <BluesKaj> if you have access to the drive in dolphin >places, whynot just copy and paste
[17:11] <kevin_> i tried through the dolphin then too the error is coming!
[17:14] <BluesKaj> what's the CD2 for in the string?
[17:17] <BluesKaj> kevin_, cp -r /dev/sda5/MUSIK/western_classical/Antonio Vivaldi - 12 Concerti for Oboe and Violin op. 7" :~/jdownloader/Antonio Vivaldi - 12 Concerti for Oboe and Violin op. 7$
[17:18] <kevin_> the source directory
[17:19] <BluesKaj> the source dir should be listed after the device you are copying from
[17:20] <BluesKaj> in the string , afaik
[17:23] <kevin_> i tried renaming those files but those file are not getting renamed it shows error that those files do not exits
[17:25] <BluesKaj> kevin_, you may be dealing with copy protection
[17:26] <kevin_> oh i see
[17:29] <BluesKaj> !protection
[17:30] <kevin_> anyways to remove that
[17:37] <BluesKaj> kevin_, install libdvdcss2
[17:37] <tobago> i use vim on an kubuntu machine. when i yank some lines in the visual mode, close the file, open another file and try to paste the stuff, the register is empty. what's going wrong?
[17:41] <BluesKaj> tobago, yank some lines in the visual mode?
[17:42] <BluesKaj> tobago, why not leave the vim open while copying and pasting the line .
[17:43] <tonymc> why not just use a graphical editor with proper clipboard support?
[17:56] <draik> !websvn
[17:56] <draik> !svn
[18:02] <bocman> wass up
[18:02] <bocman> hello people
[18:02] <bocman> some one  spaeks russian
[18:02] <bocman> ?
[18:03] <bocman> some one
[18:03] <bocman> anybody
[18:10] <BluesKaj> !ru | bocman
[18:12] <bocman> thanks
[18:42] <raevin> does anyone know if a user's home directory has to exist for them to log in via ssh?  I set up a dummy account for proxy access via ssh, and was forced to create a homedirectory using useradd, and deleted it from /etc/passwd
[19:04] <raevin> nvm, found out my own answer, which is no lol
[19:57] <jose> hola
[20:24] <CoJaBo> How do I get GIMP to do... anything at all but segfault? Running Kubuntu 11.04.
[20:24] <CoJaBo> installing from apt-get install gimp
[20:33] <ArchangelSe7en> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/segmentation-fault-on-linux-unix.html
[20:34] <Omneh> hi there, I have a new laptop, I just installed 11.04, it's a tablet and it has a wacom integrated as a touchscreen, but xsetwacom --list doesn't pick anything up
[20:35] <Omneh> any ideas?
[21:00] <CoJaBo> ..appearently the GIMP issue is a Kubuntu bug (defaulting to GTK+ theme Oxygen thats horribly broken)- where do I report it?
[21:02] <Alexia_Death> Launchpad probably. But just for people here, if somebody comes complaining about non-working gimp - Tell them to change the GTK theme.
[21:02] <CoJaBo> lol indeed o_o- never used launchpad before tho..
[21:15] <ubuntu> ciao a tutti
[21:16] <bazhang> !it | ubuntu
[21:18] <ubuntu> #ubuntu-it
[21:19] <bazhang>  /join #ubuntu-it
[23:00] <xcv> Hello
[23:03] <xcv> I am looking for a package manager GUI similar to YaST2 but i can't find anyone as complete as it. Do you know about anyone?
[23:18] <xcv> Hello?? I am looking for a package manager GUI similar to YaST2 but i can't find anyone as complete as it. Do you know about anyone
[23:29] <szal> xcv: YaST is much more than a package manager
[23:31] <xcv> szal: yes, i know, but what i need is just a similar package manager, i feel very comfortable with it
[23:32]  * szal does package management exclusively on the commandline
[23:32] <draik> szal: Me too :D
[23:33] <KimLaroux> Is there a way to change the order tasks changed upon scroll wheel in the task bar? It's the ONLY place on my desktop where it goes from left to right, Very annoying
[23:33] <KimLaroux> s/changed/changes
[23:33] <draik> s/changes/change
[23:34] <xcv> szal: so... do you know about a similar package manager for (k)ubuntu?
[23:34] <KimLaroux> yeah, lol, I thought of it after.. English isn't my native language ;)
[23:34] <szal> xcv: no..  fairly obviously ^^
[23:34] <draik> xcv: I didn't get your question, but Kubuntu already comes with one.
[23:35] <draik> KimLaroux: I've not heard of that issue. Seems pretty odd that your scroll is 90'd
[23:36] <xcv> what i'm asking for is a similar package manager GUI to yast in (k)ubuntu because i feel much more comfortable with it than with kpackagekit, software center or synaptic
[23:39] <KimLaroux> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=228886 it's this bug. I run KDE 4.4.5. The bug report is said to be fixed, I suppose the ones running newer version can confirm this?
[23:41] <draik> Sorry, I cannot replicate
[23:42] <xcv> the wheel on the taskbar works fine for me ( kubuntu-desktop in natty, kde 4.6.2)
[23:42] <szal> draik: w/ the same KDE version?
[23:43] <szal> xcv: obviously, if the bug is marked as fixed ;)
[23:44] <xcv> i didn't see that lol
[23:44] <xcv> some package manager?
[23:51] <draik> I believe so. How do I check my KDE version?
[23:52] <KimLaroux> draik, I just go to a native KDE app and under Help > About KDE (Amarok, Dolphin, K3b...)
[23:53] <draik> Thanks
[23:53] <draik> 4.6.2