[03:11] <rww> gueriLLaPunK<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:11] <rww> I suspect that might not be entirely appropriate.
[04:12] <rww> Right now I can't wait for Natty to come out.
[04:12] <rww> No more people trying to upgrade to development releases, and #ubuntu+1 goes away for a bit.
[04:35] <tonyyarusso> rww: What makes you think Natty release will mean nobody trying to upgrade to a development release?  ;)
[05:02] <tonyyarusso> Bad rww.
[05:02] <rww> You say "bad", I say "proactively improving #ubuntu+1 and #ubuntu-offtopic"
[05:03] <rww> The obvious next step after "Every time you get rid of a troll, two newer annoying ones appear." is that if I bring back all the old ones, #ubuntu-offtopic will improve!
[05:04] <tonyyarusso> uh, sure...
[05:04] <rww> tonyyarusso: You know you believe that #ubuntu-offtopic used to be better :(
[05:04] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, but earlier than their first appearance :)
[05:05] <rww> Under my leadership, our country will return to a freer time! A happier time! When people could be people and people could get kicked for no reason and everybody laughed and then got stabbed by __mikem using CTCP ACTION.
[05:05] <rww> Back when I used to complain all the ti... never mind.
[05:26] <rww> tonyyarusso: If I open #u-r-p party early and don't tell anyone, will it make you sad and/or amused?
[05:28] <tonyyarusso> haha
[05:29] <tonyyarusso> There isn't really an "early", since it's never had a defined open date.
[05:29] <rww> let's go for it, then.
[05:32] <tonyyarusso> k
[05:32] <rww> tonyyarusso: has MLOCK set, by the look of it
[05:32] <rww> silly technology, breaking my amusement :[
[05:33] <tonyyarusso> What were you planning to amuse yourself with?
[05:33] <rww> /mode #ubuntu-release-party -if :[
[05:34] <tonyyarusso> ah, right
[06:36] <bazhang> XXX-Ongi  back for more
[06:36] <rww> I still haven't gotten the hang of floodbot webchat bans :(
[06:37] <bazhang> dejan_ is back, not in #ubuntu (yet)
[06:37] <rww> Did they get re-banned from #ubuntu, or is that just a heads up?
[06:37] <bazhang> thought he was banned. he's in #freenode currently
[06:38] <Tm_T> was, but unless he's rebanned...
[06:39] <Tm_T> nice behaviour, btw
[06:39] <rww> IdleOne unbanned him on 2011-04-13
[06:51] <rww> full moon was yesterday
[07:18]  * rww watches rana pwn #ubuntu-offtopic, giggles
[07:20] <rww> oh lawd, they correctly parsed !o4o too. I like this one.
[07:48] <rana> Hello. I have been banned from #ubuntu-offtopic for trolling. I was not trolling
[07:49] <bazhang> rana, hi
[07:49] <rana> Hello bazhang
[07:49] <bazhang> rana, please have a read of the guidelines and the code of conduct
[07:49] <bazhang> !guidelines | rana
[07:50] <bazhang> !codeofconduct | rana
[07:50] <rana> I was banned for trolling. I was not trolling. How do I appeal after reading your rules?
[07:51] <bazhang> rana, please take a moment to read them in their entirety
[07:52] <bazhang> LarsTorBen (et al ) is back
[07:54] <rana> Alright bazhang I have read them in their entirety
[07:55] <bazhang> rana, and you know why you were banned?
[07:55] <rana> I have omitted the sections about being an op and networking from my reading, they do not apply to me.
[07:56] <rana> bazhang Other users were irritated by my behavior. They had a personal problem with my behavior. I was warned by moderator rww briefly.
[07:56] <bazhang> rana, in fact were you not asked to stop by many users?
[07:56] <rana> bazhang What I was doing was also construed as trolling. In reality, I was not. I understand that what I was doing could be construed as trolling, because of the relative nature of the rules.
[07:57] <bazhang> rana, could you answer my question please?
[07:57] <rana> bazhang Several users expressed their dislike toward me. Only one user, yourself, directly asked me stop, if my memory serves.
[07:57] <rana> bazhang One person, rww, implied that I should stop. He was the one who banned me
[07:58] <bazhang> rana, so the reason for your ban was what?
[07:59] <rana> bazhang I was banned because several users in the channel disliked me. They expressed their dislike toward me, which I for the most part ignored.
[07:59] <rana> bazhang I was also given several copies of the rules to read, which I also ignored.
[07:59] <rana> *several copies of the link
[08:00] <bazhang> rana, did the rules say anything about that? ie, in respect to your behavior in the channel?
[08:00] <rana> bazhang This general dislike for me, coupled with a poor use of grammar, resulted in my ban from the channel
[08:00] <rana> bazhang The rules state that I should respect others. Would you like me to quote directly?
[08:01] <bazhang> rana, well, that hardly seems a faithful rendering of how events unfolded, to put it generously
[08:01] <rana> bazhang I continued to input into the discussion, despite being shunned by most present.
[08:01] <bazhang> rana, you admitted you were actively trying to stir things up by your behavior
[08:02] <rana> bazhang I do not know what "stir things up" means
[08:02] <rana> bazhang I recall saying that I was "clearly trying to cause trouble"
[08:02] <rana> bazhang This remark was not made in seriousness.
[08:03] <rana> bazhang I was not trying to cause trouble.
[08:03] <bazhang> rana, just  a moment please
[08:03] <Tm_T> rana: do you prefer discussing with bazhang or someone who wasn't involved on the discussions in offtopic, like me?
[08:03] <rana> Either is fine for me.
[08:04] <Tm_T> ok, I'll give my view on this then too (:
[08:04] <rana> Thank you.
[08:04] <rana> I admit that my ban was just. I was told to desist by a user named rww.
[08:05] <Tm_T> for what I have seen, you have kept intentionally borderlining and crossing the line for some time now
[08:05] <rana> Borderlining? Can you clarify?
[08:05] <rana> I think I understand
[08:05] <rana> Initially, when entering the board, I was completely new, having only used IRC once before
[08:06] <rana> After several times being requested to correct the poor grammar of my messages, I did.
[08:06] <rana> My messages were especially correct, grammatically.
[08:07] <Tm_T> that's not the issue
[08:07] <Tm_T> well, not the biggest issue anyway
[08:07] <rana> What is the biggest issue, we should get to that first.
[08:07] <rana> I was under the impression I was banned for "trolling".
[08:08] <rana> I was accused of this several times, but I was not trolling.
[08:08] <Tm_T> that word wraps up several issues
[08:08] <rana> The farther the conversation went, the less obnoxious I tried to be.
[08:08] <Tm_T> but you didn't succeed, unfortunately
[08:08] <Tm_T> just to give an example
[08:08] <Tm_T> 0830.31 < rana> bazhang, it's called ignore if you really care so much.But, I mean, really, you can't read what i'm writing? maybe you're uptight today, but you seem like a spell-nazi
[08:09] <rana> That was very early in the conversation
[08:09] <Tm_T> I personally don't like the attitude what's in comments like that
[08:09] <Tm_T> yes I know
[08:09] <rana> As I said, I was being obnoxious.
[08:09] <rana> I am a new user, I was not aware of the rules, and I did indeed ignore them when they were given to me several times.
[08:10] <Tm_T> that's enough to reason to be banned
[08:11] <Tm_T> the fact that you chose to ignore when others attempted to guide you
[08:11] <rana> I am not here to say my ban was unjust, I am here to say that I have learnt my lesson and will try to be as polite and well-mannered as I can in the future.
[08:12] <rana> I have read the rules, at bazhang's initial request
[08:12] <rana> (in this... dare I call it a hearing?)
[08:13] <Tm_T> nah, discussion
[08:13] <rana> I initially entered the channel, not entirely with the intention of being obnoxious but perhaps with an obnoxious spirit about me.
[08:13] <Tm_T> rana: in the future, you will listen when others ask you to stop?
[08:14] <rana> Tm_T I will certainly consider them, and if they have a good reason I will certainly desist next time, so as to avoid having to do this again.
[08:15] <rana> Tm_T I have read the rules, and am acquainted with them, I will attempt to follow them.
[08:15] <Tm_T> rana: ok, if you come back tomorrow, we can lift the ban
[08:15] <rana> Tm_T, wondering, would the ban have been automatically lifted, I thought that might be the case, but decided that I might as well come
[08:16] <Tm_T> in general, they're never lifted automatically
[08:16] <Tm_T> so discussing here is mandatory (:
[08:16] <rana> Kiddies need a time-out, eh?
[08:17] <rana> If I don't come back tomorrow, will the ban still be lifted?
[08:17] <rana> Or must I come and check-in?
[08:18] <Tm_T> latter most likely (:
[08:18] <rana> : ( If I don't, can I appeal again in the future?
[08:18] <rana> Also, what time must I come?
[08:19] <Tm_T> I mean, you come here and ask the ban be lifted per this discussion, but not until tomorrow, roughly the same time
[08:19] <Tm_T> you can come and ask it later if you like
[08:20] <rana> So anytime, and I reference you as having told me?
[08:20] <Tm_T> ye, but not until tomorrow (:
[08:20] <Tm_T> time out is to ensure that all parties can calm down
[08:21] <rana> Yes I understand. I will be very angry tomorrow. Thank you for your help, you have been very agreeable.
[08:24] <Tm_T> rana: ok, you can leave the channel now
[08:34] <bazhang> Tm_T, thanks much
[08:35] <Tm_T> np
[08:38] <Tm_T> and thank you
[08:40] <bazhang> h00k, hi!
[08:43] <Tm_T> hi ginbuntu
[08:44] <ginbuntu> why am I here?
[08:44] <Tm_T> ginbuntu: I'll check, one moment please
[08:45] <bazhang> banforwarded
[08:45] <ginbuntu> ah
[08:45] <ginbuntu> thought some one hacked my pc
[08:45] <ginbuntu> :-)
[08:45] <ginbuntu> bazhang, I thought I was chosen to become op of #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:46] <ginbuntu> ;-)
[08:46] <Tm_T> ginbuntu: something we can help you with?
[08:46] <ginbuntu> tm_T not really
[08:46] <ginbuntu> just woke up and see myself in this channel
[08:48] <Tm_T> ginbuntu: roger, then I would ask you to part from this channel
[08:58] <elky> that smells like the doing of rww
[08:58] <Tm_T> pici in this case
[08:58] <Tm_T> and for good reason too
[09:00] <elky> oh, i don't doubt the firmness of the reason at all
[09:06] <Guest2355353523> hi people
[09:06] <Guest2355353523> its not okay
 the pharmacy is CLOSED...
[09:07] <Tm_T> what is not ok?
[09:07] <Guest2355353523> to say that
[09:10] <Tm_T> why I feel like removing him from +1 too
[09:14] <elky> ?
[09:15] <Tm_T> nothing, gone already
[09:31] <Tm_T> ginbuntu: hi, how can we help you?
[10:12] <ikonia>  /join #ubuntu-ops-team
[10:12] <ikonia> oops
[10:12] <Tm_T> there is no cabal
[10:58] <bazhang> augh. gurke_ larstorben is still on a !best run
[11:08] <Tm_T> ginbuntu: hi, something we can help you with?
[11:50] <loc0> hi bazhang
[11:51] <loc0> bazhang: hiii
[11:53] <ikonia> loc0: / jungli, what do you want?
[11:53] <loc0> ikonia: hi wassup man ?
[11:53] <ikonia> loc0: what do you want
[11:53] <loc0> do you seen youkay around ?
[11:53] <ikonia> no
[11:53] <ikonia> what do you want from this channel ?
[11:53] <loc0> let me unbanned me sir
[11:53] <ikonia> no
[11:54] <loc0> ok ikonia do you have youkay facebook profile ?
[11:54] <ikonia> now please leave the channel
[11:54] <ikonia> lets not waste any more time
[11:54] <loc0> ikonia: ???
[11:54] <ikonia> loc0: please leave this channel now,
[12:38] <exalt> Hello, im in #ubuntu-nl and #ubuntu-nl-offtopic for a long while, there is no trouble ever, untill... there is no op at the moment but a few spammers/trollers shouting at me
[12:39] <exalt> can anyone help me ?
[12:39] <LjL> exalt: i don't think we have any -nl ops here
[12:39] <ikonia> exalt: there maybe some ops free in #ubuntu-nl but I'm not sure who looks after that
[12:39] <exalt> :( JanC is gone
[12:39] <bazhang> #ubuntu-irc probably is the place
[12:40] <LjL> exalt: i think all ops are away, and the IRC council doesn't have access, so if this goes on you might want to resort to staff i guess
[12:41] <exalt> LjL: i already tried.. ill ignor them for now... its sad
[12:41]  * LjL didn't know seveas had left from there too
[12:42] <exalt> i see, all the ppl you see talking now are talking about food, illnesses and deseases
[12:42] <exalt> 18+ content
[12:42] <LjL> i'm afraid that's not something freenode staff will intervene about :\
[12:43] <jussi> exalt: youll need to just wait for an op.
[12:43] <exalt> sad, also just before you entered they threatned to fight me and called me a dog
[12:45] <LjL> exalt: well, physical threats are absolutely not acceptable, if that's what it was
[12:50] <ikonia> is the council not in the access list ?
[12:50] <LjL> nope
[12:51] <LjL> it was seveas' channel after all, you'd not expect it to be :P
[12:51] <ikonia> he's still pretty sensible and would want the channel covered
[12:52] <LjL> well he's not in the access list anymore himself now, we might want to ask JanC (he's the only among them that i know, anyway)
[12:53] <exalt> LjL: i already asked him, hes AFK
[12:54] <LjL> exalt: i know, i was saying about asking him to add the IRC Council to the ops list
[12:54] <exalt> there is rawchid, hes not admin but a respected fellow
[13:00] <jussi> ikonia: ping?
[16:36] <charlie-tca> anyone got an eye on Gurke_ in #ubuntu+1 ?
[16:36] <Pici> I'm watching ;)
[16:37] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[16:55] <Pici> Who is this kesor person?
[16:58] <Pici> Hes asking me to login to Habbo Hotel to chat with him.
[16:59] <IdleOne> hmm, why would a virtual community need to be based on a hotel?
[17:00] <IdleOne> just seems creepy to me
[17:00] <Pici> Well, at least its not a motel.
[17:01] <IdleOne> you got a point
[18:43] <Pici> mrmist: I'm in the middle of doing some other things, but it looks like loc0 is jungli, who you're probably familiar with already.
[18:48] <mrmist> indeed
[18:49] <mrmist> he /quit though, for now
[20:29] <rww> I'm permabanned from Habbo Hotel :<
[20:29] <ikonia> ?
[20:29] <Pici> I think I might actually have an account there.
[20:29] <rww> elky: is it a good thing or a bad thing that you immediately think of me when someone from #ubuntu-offtopic wanders in wondering what on earth they did to get banned... O:)
[20:54] <ikonia> ginbuntu: it maybe wise/helpful to remove #ubuntu-offtopic from your autojoin list please.
[20:54] <Pici> Or perhaps resolve the issue that has your banforwarded here.
[20:55] <ikonia> it's been offered a few times today that I can see and was refused
[21:02] <ikonia> ginbuntu: if you could respond, that would be helpful
[21:02] <ginbuntu> hi
[21:02] <ginbuntu> ikonia, I can speak for about 5 min
[21:02] <ginbuntu> so why was I banned?
[21:03] <ginbuntu> am I*
[21:03] <ginbuntu> I am still banned it seems
[21:03] <IdleOne> I suggest coming back when you have more time.
[21:03] <ginbuntu> I think 5 min is enough to resolve this issue
[21:08] <ikonia> I'll grab the info if you can hang around
[21:09] <ikonia> Pici: are you around / free ?
[21:10] <ikonia> ginbuntu: it appears you where banned due to a build up of bad behaviour and bad language
[21:10] <IdleOne> hello guntbert
[21:11] <guntbert> does "the team" hav an opinion about ubuntu tweak?
[21:11] <guntbert> hello IdleOne
[21:11] <IdleOne> yeah, don't use it
[21:11] <ikonia> ginbuntu: could you give us 5 minutes please ?
[21:11] <guntbert> because lacan in #u is talking very stron about it
[21:12] <guntbert> *strong
[21:12] <ikonia> sorry, that was for guntbert
[21:12] <guntbert> ikonia: no problem :)
[21:12] <ikonia> ginbuntu: you still there ?
[21:17] <ikonia> ginbuntu: maybe best if you come back when you are at your keyboard and have time to chat this through
[21:18] <Tm_T> good night all (:
[21:22] <ikonia> hello guntbert
[21:22] <ikonia> didn't mean to chase you out earlier but ginbuntu had limited time free
[21:23] <guntbert> better now? so it'd be ok to tell people not to use it and certainly to not advise using it? (ubuntu tweak)
[21:23] <ikonia> guntbert: I always tell people to not do it as my personal opinion,
[21:23] <guntbert> I didn't feel chased, but he should have the possibilty to solve his issue in time
[21:24] <guntbert> ikonia: I was asking because I have no experience with this special piece of software
[21:25] <ikonia> my opinion it's a great idea, but it's not well maintained enough, it does a lot of things that don't need "doing" and can cause sloppy problems with things like package removals
[21:25] <ikonia> if someone says they want to use it, I'll always state I recommend against it and why as there is nothing that can't be done without it
[21:25] <Flannel> guntbert: It's not quality software.  #ubuntu should not be recommending it for sure, as far as individual use, we can discourage it, we obviously can't stop it :)
[21:26] <guntbert> very concisely said, thx, I'll follow your example
[21:26] <guntbert> ahh - would it be an idea to have a factoid about it?
[21:26] <IdleOne> seeing how we discourage it's use I don't believe we can support a user that has used it.
[21:27] <ginbuntu> ikonia, can we talk another time? I have a death line to catch. I am sorry.
[21:27] <ikonia> ginbuntu: no problem
[21:28] <LjL> do we know what ubuntu tweak does? i don't think we should be damning it, or especially refusing supports to those who've used it, unless it's known to do unsafe things and cause trouble...
[21:29] <ikonia> I've looked at it a few times in the past
[21:29] <Flannel> From my ops logs, it uses --force-yes, etc, etc.  It's automatix redux.  This may have changed recently, I suppose.
[21:29] <ikonia> it can cause a few problems with situations such as it's package removal technique
[21:29] <IdleOne> LjL: can't say that I know exactly what it does. I do trust ikonia and Flannel's opinions on it though.
[21:30] <Flannel> IdleOne: My opinion today is based solely on evidence from my log grepping abilities :)
[21:30] <ikonia> I've not looked at it in the last 4 months-ish, but I have before, I tried to work with the developer to get it into universe to pull out some of the sloppier problems
[21:30] <IdleOne> well maybe a few of us should test it.
[21:30]  * guntbert opts out :)
[21:30]  * IdleOne will try it.
[21:30] <Flannel> Eh, download and parse it with your brain
[21:31] <IdleOne> I need to do a clean install anyway
[21:31] <Flannel> It's all scripts anyway (or was last time)
[21:31] <ikonia> I'd like to see it's functionality/perks fed into the ubuntu / gnome tools
[21:31] <LjL> ikonia: did they refuse, or what?
[21:31] <topyli> what annoyed me is it does so much that's already done by official tools. it also adds ppa's. if i want to know what those are, i have to go and check, at which point i might as well add them through official tools if it looks useful
[21:31] <IdleOne> Flannel: my brain parsing code skills are limited
[21:31] <Flannel> If you emperically test it, you get into !wfm territory
[21:31] <IdleOne> right
[21:31] <topyli> it also does some window management tweaks that are doable elsewhere. i honestly can't see the use
[21:31] <ikonia> LjL: no, but once they realised what would need to be changed/cleared up it didn't go anywhere
[21:31] <topyli> been a while since i looked though
[21:31] <LjL> i see
[21:32] <LjL> in that case i guess best to discourage it
[21:32] <Flannel> Well, "doesn't do anything productive" isn't dangerous.
[21:32] <ikonia> topyli: that's my feeling push the experience gained developing it into the gnome tools
[21:32] <topyli> that would be a better idea, yes
[21:32] <ikonia> as I recall the developer has serious time issues though
[21:33] <Flannel> But if things are potentially damaging under certain conditions, that's different.  If it automates things (even if people should be doing this manually) and is appropriately written, there's no reason to discourage it.
[21:33] <Flannel> (This is not the case, from what I've seen, the above was hypothetical)
[21:33] <guntbert> !ubuntutweak is <reply> you don't need it and it might do things you don't want
[21:33] <LjL> might want to make that a little more verbose methinks
[21:34] <IdleOne> ha
[21:34] <ikonia> I'm sure we can do better than that
[21:34] <Flannel> LjL: such as <reply>no.
[21:34] <Flannel> right?
[21:34] <LjL> :)
[21:34] <guntbert> LjL: feel free, it was only menat as an incentive :)
[21:34] <topyli> well i don't actually know if it does harmful stuff. i certainly don't think it's the new automatix
[21:34] <guntbert> *meant
[21:34] <LjL> !ubuntutweaks is a tool that automates some things; however, it is potentially dangerous and most of the things it does can be done by the use of other tools.
[21:35] <topyli> (except that some/most users may not know what it means to add a bunch of random ppa's)
[21:35] <guntbert> and thats all from me for today, thank you for your time an input - bye :-))
[21:35] <LjL> i suppose it might be nice (but i'm not volunteering right now :P) to have a wiki page explaining how youc an replicate what it does
[21:35] <Flannel> topyli: we really ought to do a code-review of it in it's current form.
[21:35] <Flannel> (I can do this this weekend, but probably not before)
[21:35] <IdleOne> Flannel: I think that would be best before we go and condemn the tool
[21:35] <topyli> not an urgent issue, we've lived with it so far :)
[21:36] <Flannel> IdleOne: well, it's been done in the past
[21:36] <Flannel> IdleOne: We're basically "revisiting" our position this iteration of checking
[21:36] <IdleOne> Flannel: right but things may have changed and they may have improved it.
[21:37] <IdleOne> like I said I don't believe I have the required skill to check it.
[21:37] <Flannel> IdleOne: We always reserve the right to change our opinions randomly and without warning!
[21:37] <IdleOne> absolutely
[21:37] <topyli> it's a big program these days and does lots of things
[21:38] <LjL> !ubuntutweaks is a tool that automates some things; however, it is potentially dangerous (an informal review of its code is pending) and most of the things it does can be done by the use of other tools.
[21:39] <topyli> ubuntutweak btw
[21:39] <IdleOne> append: Support may not be provided in #ubuntu   ?
[21:39] <LjL> @login
[21:40] <LjL> !ubuntutweak is a tool that automates some things; however, it is potentially dangerous (an informal review of its code is pending) and most of the things it does can be done by the use of other tools. Please don't (ask for) support in #ubuntu.
[21:40]  * LjL rolls eyes
[21:41] <IdleOne> !ubuntutweak is <reply> Ubuntu Tweak is a tool that automates some things; however, it is potentially dangerous (an informal review of its code is pending) and most of the things it does can be done by the use of other tools. Please don't (ask for) support in #ubuntu.
[21:42] <IdleOne> !ubuntutweak > guntbert
[22:00] <LjL> that's why i put it in parentheses... :P
[22:00] <Flannel> !ubuntutweak =~ s/ort in/ort it in/
[22:00] <LjL> Flannel: that doesn't work with the "ask for" though :P
[22:00] <Flannel> LjL: No, but at least the non-parenthetical makes sense now!
[22:01] <LjL> make it "Please don't ask for or provide support for it in #ubuntu" perhaps
[23:32] <ginbuntu> ikonia, still there?


[01:15] <spaceneedle> How do you format a usb stick in Xubuntu 10.04?
[01:16] <holstein> spaceneedle: i use gparted, but im sure theres a simpler tool
[01:51] <CrownWheel> Hey, Xubuntu users.  Anyone try installing the R statistics pakages under Oneiric, v11.10 yet?  It's giving me peculiar dependency issues.
[02:16] <k_sze> hi guys
[02:17] <CrownWheel> oh. hey.
[02:17] <CrownWheel> For a long minute there, I didn't think anyone talked on this channel...
[02:18] <CrownWheel> what's on your mind?
[02:18] <k_sze> I need some assistance with re-installing 11.10 over a failed 11.04-to-11.10 upgrade.
[02:19] <k_sze> I want to re-install 11.10 *in-place*, without having to wipe the existing ext4 partition.
[02:22] <CrownWheel> wow. beyond my expertise, I'm afraid.  I just came in to get advice on installing R under 11.10...
[02:36] <w30> k_sze, just tell the installer to put it on that partition and format it again as ext4 as it installs
[02:38] <k_sze> w30: "without having to wipe the existing ext4 partition"
[02:39] <w30> k_sze, well formatting it again will wipe it for everyone except the FBI
[06:32] <amgine> I cannot get my Logitech headset to work in xubuntu. As I now need to reboot into windows daily for meetings to use the headset, xubuntu is now a liability for me. Anyone able to help resolve this?
[08:41] <TheSheep> !bt | amgine
[08:41] <TheSheep> !bluetooth | amgine
[09:10] <Guest51397> !samba
[09:24] <Guest51397> !filesharing
[09:43] <well_laid_lawn> !nfs
[13:15] <csenger41> hello! anyone active here?
[13:15] <TREESofRIGHTEOUS> I am
[13:17] <csenger41> I'm using Mail Watcher and wanna set the run on click command to open a link with default browser
[13:18] <csenger41> could u help?
[13:19] <TREESofRIGHTEOUS> actually I got on to post a problem I had found
[13:19] <Kurdistan> hi will the stable kernel 3.1 find its way to 11.10?
[13:20] <Kurdistan> any one who knows how to remove keyring in xubuntu? it asks me password everytime I use ex chrome.
[13:23] <Kurdistan> I have tried with seahorse (password manager)
[13:23] <Kurdistan> no luck
[13:23] <csenger41> no clue sry
[13:26] <csenger41> never mind, found a solution :)
[13:26] <csenger41> bye-bye
[13:34] <VanessaE> Can someone please tell me how to disable the password/lock when resuming from suspend (in 11.10)?
[14:39] <amgine> Thanks TheSheep, but it's a USB headset.
[16:52] <_Pete_> hi
[16:52] <_Pete_> for somereason my audio is not working when using xubuntu session
[16:52] <_Pete_> when logged in to gnome unity it works
[16:52] <_Pete_> I suspect xubuntu deciced to switch to output to HDMI output
[16:52] <_Pete_> how to change that in xubuntu?
[16:55] <Sysi> try with mixer, if that doesn't work, get pavucontrol/paprefs
[16:55] <_Pete_> ok found it thanks
[16:56] <_Pete_> just wondering why it was switched in first place
[16:59] <Sysi> stuff happens
[17:00] <Sysi> so doing it from mixer worked?
[17:00] <_Pete_> yes
[17:00] <_Pete_> from gnome-settings
[17:00] <_Pete_> how about this: is there way define how much it will go forward/backward in parole video player when one presses keyboard arrows left/right?
[17:01] <_Pete_> now it jumps way too much
[17:01] <Sysi> that's the same as using pavucontrol.. it should work from xfce-mixer too, but that's not fully confirmed
[17:01] <Sysi> I think you can't
[17:02] <Sysi> you can use vlc or gnome-mplayer (but I'm not sure about that on them)
[17:02] <_Pete_> yeah, in vlc it is by default alt+left/right
[17:08] <_Pete_> did boot to newest kernel today so that changed the audio outputs I guess
[17:59] <powercircle> Hey together, I need some help with adjusting to the xubuntu experience coming from 20 years of Mac OS :) Anyone willing to help? :-)
[18:00] <holstein> powercircle: sure...
[18:01] <holstein> might i suggest taking a few days and approaching it similarly to when you first started using macOS
[18:01] <powercircle> Okay, first it's great to am switching, finally, after four years of considering :P
[18:01] <holstein> instead of trying to immediately make "this" be like "that"
[18:01] <holstein> linux/ubuntu is open, and can be configured to look and feel literally any way you would like
[18:01] <powercircle> I'm on xubuntu since november already after first trials in may. This is my long thought out plan to leave apple behind :P
[18:01] <holstein> but, i find taking some time to get used to the defaults can be easier on everyone involved
[18:02] <holstein> you might also consider going with a desktop environment that might be more like OSX out of the box
[18:02] <holstein> though xubuntu is not a bad choice
[18:02] <powercircle> I'm switching to get away from defaults. I've got around of 14 years professional linuy _SERVER_ exp. on my back, but have some problems with more specific things.
[18:02] <holstein> cool
[18:03] <holstein> ask what you like here then, and if someone can, they will help :)
[18:03] <holstein> powercircle: welcome
[18:03] <powercircle> For example I now have around 27 Terminals open, but can't distinguish them in the tasklist.
[18:03] <_Pete_> powercircle: if so, I guess you handle all well from shell?
[18:03] <powercircle> hrhr, youre reading my thoughts?
[18:04] <powercircle> I'd like to set the title of the terminals to the currently running process, but can't find something that can do that. I suspect it's an environment variable?
[18:05] <_Pete_> it depends wich xterm/cloneofit you are using
[18:05] <TheSheep> powercircle: I got rid of the task list and just use the workspace switcher
[18:05] <_Pete_> I guess you can use pure xterm too
[18:05] <powercircle> BTW.:  An URL or a small hint like "look at TERMINAPP_CMD variable" is totally sufficient :-)
[18:05] <powercircle> Nah, I like the look and feel of the xfce terminal. Also as you said, I'd like to stick to defaults as much as I can.
[18:06] <_Pete_> I have similar background
[18:06] <TheSheep> xfce terminal has an option to set the title in the preferences
[18:06] <_Pete_> but I prefer to mix what best suits me
[18:06] <powercircle> Yeah it has such a field where it just says "Terminal" now. Can I use variables in there?
[18:06] <holstein> i would consider looking at other terminal emulators that might do what you are looking for http://martin.ankerl.com/2007/09/01/comprehensive-linux-terminal-performance-comparison/
[18:07] <holstein> i use screen a lot personally, and tend to label the running screen sessions.. not sure if that would help you locate
[18:07] <TheSheep> powercircle: I think so, mine displays the name of the process there
[18:07] <_Pete_> powercircle: just curious, where do you need 27 terminals? :)
[18:07] <powercircle> What's in your field there,then?
[18:08] <powercircle> Maybe you're using this $PS1 somewhere in .bashrc or .profile?
[18:08] <TheSheep> powercircle: but I'm afk now so I can't check :(
[18:09] <powercircle> Okay, next annoyance. I've had a great and simple way to store passwords in mac os x. a passwords disk image. It mounts when double-clicked and asks for a master-password.
[18:09] <powercircle> The only solution on linux that comes to mind for me is dm-crypt+losetup+xterm. Is there something fancy that saves .txts ? :-)
[18:09] <TheSheep> in xfce you have the keyring
[18:10] <TheSheep> there is also a fuse filesystem that encrypts single files on the fly
[18:10] <powercircle> I looked at various password safes already, they seem too limiting to me, unfortunately.
[18:10] <holstein> you could transition to truecrypt on both OS's
[18:10] <TheSheep> encfs or something
[18:10] <powercircle> brrr, truecrypt? I'm running multiple FDE servers and tried it. It performs poorly, IMHO.
[18:11] <powercircle> But thats a great Idea to look for GUI passwords-asking youre right. Thanks :)
[18:12] <powercircle> I'll need some seamlessly integrated Windows/Mac OS programs, too. I'm looking into buying VMWare Workstation, but would like to stick with KVM. Can KVM provide windowed seamless integration?
[18:13]  * holstein uses virtualbox
[18:13] <holstein> i think they all support that now though
[18:13] <TheSheep> I think even qemu/libvirt does
[18:13] <powercircle> I searched around for an hour and could find info about that for KVM.
[18:13] <powercircle> *couldn't
[18:14] <TheSheep> use libvirt-manager
[18:14] <TheSheep> it's the cool thing for ubuntu
[18:14] <_Pete_> powercircle: just curious part 2: what did make you do this switch?
[18:15] <powercircle> I'm stuying network security, so I need to work lots with latex omnet++ and this stuff, but Mac OS X did it all perfectly well.
[18:15] <powercircle> There are two things which make me switch (second only discovered during the switch).
[18:16] <powercircle> 1. Linux doesn't tell me how to love to do things.  I loved mac os 7,8,9,X... But then they added the appstore, the iPhone etc.
[18:16] <powercircle> I don't want to hand out my freedom to do as I please with the stuff I pay for and pay for lots.
[18:18] <powercircle> Also, as I work so much with Linux it's the natural alternative. I can compile the kernel I want, use the hardware I want, etc-
[18:18] <powercircle> The second point is, it's _TOTALLY_ cheap. I've got a MacPro with 24Gb RAM and 3 SSDs sitting next to the stinker I'm working with now.
[18:19] <powercircle> And guess what? The stinker is faster. It has 4gig of ram and can handle more Browser Tabs than the Mac could. Thats amazing.
[18:19]  * powercircle is planning this switch since 2009.
[18:20] <_Pete_> under the bridge?
[18:20] <powercircle> mh?
[18:21] <powercircle> another example would be chatting on over 64 irc networks. mac os x's colloquy crashes when trying. xchat doesnt care :)
[18:22] <_Pete_> is that where you need all those 27 terminals?
[18:24] <_Pete_> btw, just curious part3:
[18:24] <_Pete_> when you did run your macos7, was it on 68k or ppc system?
[18:25] <Sysi> macp pro means probably mac os x
[18:27] <Sysi> oh, misread
[18:31] <_Pete_> powercircle: I suggest, while being there under bridge, and planning next trolling, try to figure out something more intelligent
[18:47] <powercircle> _Pete_, I'm sorry to hear that you think about it that way.
[19:15] <csenger41> hello everyone
[19:15] <knome> hello
[19:15] <csenger41> knome: could u help me with mail watcher?
[19:15] <csenger41> u know that program?
[19:16] <_Pete_> no
[19:16] <_Pete_> but if you brief it very well
[19:16] <knome> nope, haven't got experience with that
[19:16] <_Pete_> then we might know what the problem is
[19:17] <csenger41> u can add it to the panel and it checks a specified email address and changes icon if u got new email
[19:17] <csenger41> and u can set it up to execute a specified command if u get a new email
[19:18] <csenger41> my question would be if with what command can i put a notification to the desktop
[19:19] <_Pete_> it's sure you can
[19:19] <_Pete_> with "primitive" X tools like xmessage
[19:19] <csenger41> u know the same as when u plug a pendrive into the comp and it shows up that its mounted etc.
[19:19] <knome> csenger41, notify-send "Summary" "Text"
[19:19] <_Pete_> but maybe there's some better way for xfce?
[19:19] <csenger41> knome: sec gonna check
[19:20] <_Pete_> csenger41: ah, nice to know!
[19:20] <csenger41> _Pete_: what?
[19:20] <_Pete_> notify-send
[19:21] <csenger41> yay, working, thanks
[19:25] <csenger41> does this work on other distros, like Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[19:25] <knome> csenger41, yes, should work.
[19:25] <knome> csenger41, that's the general bin for notify messages
[19:29] <csenger41> thank you very much for the help :)
[19:29] <csenger41> http://nandiel.tumblr.com/post/14270846334/show-custom-notification-message
[19:40] <csenger41> thank you for the help again, ur awesome knome :)
[19:40] <csenger41> bye i g2g now
[21:05] <Arpad2> I've got an error message while trying to remove a software, that there is an error in aptdaemon, software that allows to install/remove software
[21:06] <GridCube> !pastebin | Arpad2
[21:11] <Arpad2> and gives this in Detail: http://paste.ubuntu.com/771587/
[21:12] <puff> The window bar at the top of my screen has gone blank.  The background color is still there, but nothign else.
[21:13] <GridCube> puff press alt-f2 and write > xfce4-panel --restart
[21:13] <GridCube> Arpad2, sorry, i don't know
[21:20] <puff> GridCube: Thanks.
[23:05] <havane31> hi, i need some help please
[23:07] <well_laid_lawn> havane31: it's best to let ppl know what's not working and if someone knows about it they'll help out
[23:08] <havane31> ok
[23:08] <havane31> if there is someone who could help
[23:08] <havane31> so i have installed xubuntu for the first time for me and now i can t have access to internet
[23:09] <havane31> i don't how to resolve the problem i am new with xubuntu
[23:11] <TVasEyes> havane31: more detail please.  which version xubuntu? laptop or desktop? wireless or cabled? does internet work for other machine(s)?
[23:12] <YeahRight> havane31 : you can start a xterm in the menu somewhere
[23:12] <havane31> xubuntu 11.10 on a old desktop a hp pavilion 7965 cabled
[23:12] <YeahRight> then try "man ifconfig"
[23:13] <havane31> and internet is working with the same ethernet cable with another pc
[23:15] <havane31> what i have to do with ifconfig?
[23:18] <YeahRight> you can check if you got an ip address
[23:18] <YeahRight> and set one if you dont
[23:19] <YeahRight> man will tell you how
[23:20] <preecher> is it possible to change the icons that are in the top panel--not all just one?
[23:26] <havane31> ok
[23:48] <havane31> i have a green light flickering on the ethernet port


[00:04] <KGB-2> gnome-software ubuntu/master 5fa0de8 Jeremy Bicha debian/ control control.in * Restore explicit Build-Depends on libsoup-3.0-dev * https://deb.li/77se
[00:04] <KGB-2> gnome-software ubuntu/master 8cf5b1d Jeremy Bicha debian/changelog * releasing package gnome-software version 43.2-3 * https://deb.li/3FYF0
[00:04] <KGB-2> gnome-software ubuntu/master 1e91a01 Jeremy Bicha debian/ changelog control control.in * Merge tag 'debian/43.2-3' into ubuntu/master * https://deb.li/aSUA
[00:04] <KGB-2> gnome-software ubuntu/master 807954f Jeremy Bicha debian/changelog * releasing package gnome-software version 43.2-3ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/3u5Yi
[06:58] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:13] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hello
[07:13] <oSoMoN> hey ricotz
[07:33] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN and ricotz
[08:22] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[08:28] <duflu> Hi seb128
[08:29] <seb128> duflu, hey, how are you? managing to wrap up things before holidays?
[08:31] <duflu> seb128, not feeling 100% today but succeeding in wrapping up (and then closing my eyes so I can't see anything till next year)
[08:32] <duflu> seb128, how are you?
[08:32] <seb128> I'm alright thanks!
[10:42] <KGB-2> gnome-session Will Thompson 360714 * commented merge request !8 * https://deb.li/e8Mx
[12:49] <jbicha> happy Friday!
[12:52] <ogra> hrm
[12:52] <ogra> who made the decision to package gedit as a strict snap ?
[12:53] <ogra> (and why)
[12:54] <ogra> editors and IDEs are exactly the reason why classic snaps exist at all ... and we seem to get more and more users in #ubuntu that blindly installed the snap from the store ("hey there is a newer version !") and can not edit their own hidden config files anymore
[13:04] <juliank> yikes gnome-terminal doesn't appear to be sending startup notifications anymore
[13:04] <juliank> try an upgraded lunar system and open the terminal, it won't appear in alt+tab and the cursor keeps spinning until the startup notification protocol times ouit
[13:07] <jbicha> juliank: yeah, I see it takes 15 seconds for it to resolve
[13:07] <juliank> neat
[13:08] <juliank> this is a lot better than the same issue in Chrome that's only reproducible with my profile :)
[13:08] <juliank> jbicha: thanks for confirming
[13:09] <juliank> oh also my mouse cursor disappears over the terminal windows in wayland now
[13:09] <juliank> hooray
[13:09] <jbicha> you could try gnome-console as an alternative. Debian bug 1017015 is annoying but otherwise, I've been using it for months without a problem
[13:09] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Debian bug 1017015 in src:gnome-console "gnome-console: copying won't work if end of line is selected" [Important, Open] https://bugs.debian.org/1017015
[13:09] <juliank> is that a new replacement?
[13:09] <juliank> is gnome-terminal dead?
[13:10] <ogra> the new upstream replacement at least
[13:10] <jbicha> we had a MIR for it last cycle, but it got stalled on that bug & Didier wanted a purple background :)
[13:10] <jbicha> GNOME has switched their recommended terminal to Console, but gnome-terminal is still maintained by its maintainer
[13:11] <juliank> gnome-console has a huge cursor
[13:11] <jbicha> However, most distros are still using Terminal (including Fedora) because Console is quite minimal
[13:11] <juliank> I think my cursor is screwed up
[13:12] <juliank> it uses the 200% scaling from my internal screen on my external when hovering over console
[13:12] <jbicha> yeah, big cursor sounds like scaling
[13:13] <juliank> ok this is a more generic issue
[13:13] <juliank> :D
[13:13] <juliank> the cursor only works in xwayland and hovering the shell, but not in wayland apps
[13:14] <jbicha> juliank: ha, I installed updates in my Lunar VM, logged out and logged back in and Terminal starts up cleaner now
[13:14] <juliank> I think I'll try a new session to something is weird
[13:15] <juliank> I mean this is a fresh session after reboot
[13:15] <juliank> oh well
[13:15] <juliank> I suspended
[13:15] <juliank> Let me just reboot
[13:15] <jbicha> juliank: never mind, it comes up cleanly if I use Ctrl+T or if I use Alt-F2 gnome-terminal but now with the Activities Overview
[13:15] <jbicha> *not with
[13:16] <jbicha> Ctrl+Alt+T
[13:19] <jbicha> juliank: I found an upstream issue/commit that might fix this startup glitch
[13:19] <juliank> jbicha: hmm dconf-editor also fails to notify, so I think it's a gnome-shell / mutter bug?
[13:19] <jbicha> juliank: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-terminal/-/issues/7952 blames gtk3
[13:19] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Issue 7952 in GNOME/gnome-terminal "Fix for build error and misassignment related to recent XDG-Activation support" [Closed]
[13:19] <juliank> I think dconf-editor is also gtk3
[13:19] <jbicha> yes
[13:20] <juliank> so we need to cherry-pick https://gitlab.gnome.org/joanbrugueram/gtk/-/commit/ab4e8604664ffb22574488135c6b55e0f8d2f8ef
[13:20] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit ab4e860 in joanbrugueram/gtk "gdk/wayland: save custom xdg-activation startup_id"
[13:20] <jbicha> yes
[13:21] <juliank> well https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/merge_requests/5301/commits
[13:21] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Merge 5301 in GNOME/gtk "fixes for xdg-activation regressions (GTK3)" [Opened]
[13:24] <juliank> oh god console requires a lot of work
[13:24] <juliank> I think I need to install custom dbus services for my custom app-id terminal windows
[13:24] <juliank> I have gnome-terminal --disable-factory --class weechat-ssh --name weechat-ssh --app-id org.weechat.weechat-ssh --title WeeChat -- ssh -oControlMaster=no -i /home/jak/.ssh/weechat_ssh_id_rsa -o IdentitiesOnly=yes -t<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-- tmux attach -dt ir
[13:25] <juliank> jak@jak-t14-g3:~/.local/share$ kgx --gapplication-app-id=org.weechat.weechat-ssh --title WeeChat
[13:25] <juliank> GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NotSupported: Application does not handle command line arguments
[13:25] <juliank> jak@jak-t14-g3:~/.local/share$ kgx --gapplication-service --gapplication-app-id=org.weechat.weechat-ssh --title WeeChat
[13:25] <juliank> Failed to register: Unable to acquire bus name 'org.weechat.weechat-ssh
[13:25] <juliank> It doesn't like that :D
[13:28] <jbicha> it's minimal but gnome-terminal will still be around even after we switch
[13:41] <KGB-2> gtk3 ubuntu/master d42e6c7 Jeremy Bicha debian/patches/ series gdk-wayland-save-custom-xdg-activation-startup_id.patch window-focus-on-window-show-for-wayland-activation.patch * Cherry-pick 2 proposed patches to fix app startup regressions * https://deb.li/3GJK1
[13:41] <KGB-2> gtk3 ubuntu/master d89b3d0 Jeremy Bicha debian/changelog * releasing package gtk+3.0 version 3.24.35-3 * https://deb.li/3wZ3d
[13:42] <KGB-2> gtk3 ubuntu/master 6eecc2b Jeremy Bicha debian/ changelog patches/series patches/gdk-wayland-save-custom-xdg-activation-startup_id.patch patches/window-focus-on-window-show-for-wayland-activation.patch * Merge tag 'debian/3.24.35-3' into ubuntu/master * https://deb.li/it8JV
[13:42] <KGB-2> gtk3 ubuntu/master da41bd5 Jeremy Bicha debian/changelog * releasing package gtk+3.0 version 3.24.35-3ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/zaC
[17:33] <juliank> jbicha: Thanks a bunch, just upgraded to proposed, works well
[17:35] <juliank> For some reason gnome-console now also works for my weechat ssh --app-id use case, weird
[17:35] <juliank> but the color scheme is bleh
[17:36] <juliank> now just need to get my cursor back when in a terminal window, lol
[17:36] <juliank> oh, the cursor is gone in any gtk3 app too
[17:37] <juliank> gtk4 cursor has the scaling from the wrong screen and gtk3 cursor is MIA
[17:38] <juliank> In a vanilla gnome session, didn't check the ubuntu session
[17:39] <juliank> OK, no cursor theme was set
[17:39] <juliank> or well one that doesn't exist (anymore)
[17:40] <juliank> cursor-theme = "Adwaita"
[17:41] <juliank> ah I was missing adwaita-icon-theme-full
[17:41] <juliank> I wonder if vanilla-gnome-default-settings shouldn't depend on the themes it's setting
[17:44] <juliank> jbicha: when you uploaded ubuntu-gnome-default-settings did you commit that somewhere? The bzr branch seems to have died with focal
[17:44] <juliank> I think I want to upload that with vanilla-gnome-default-settings Depends adwaita-icon-theme-full added
[17:44] <juliank> So that if people install that they have a cursor :)
[17:46]  * juliank needs to add a local changes to his Ansible playbook for redeployment, sigh
[17:56] <jbicha> juliank: I think gnome-session should depend on adwaita-icon-theme-full. That change is staged in Salsa for Debian
[17:57] <jbicha> I've been telling people to just install gnome-session instead of the vanilla thing
[17:59] <jbicha> vanilla-gnome-default-settings shouldn't be needed anymore; those overrides should be set in ubuntu-settings and vanilla-gnome-default-settings could be a transitional package
[18:17] <KGB-0> balsa Jeremy Bicha 360826 * commented merge request !2 * https://deb.li/3Mdwd
[18:57] <KGB-2> balsa upstream/latest ab8300a Jeremy Bicha * pushed 167 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/ZdfN
[18:57] <KGB-2> balsa upstream/latest b07cdd3 Albrecht Dreß (18 files in 4 dirs) * notification improvements: play sound, basic system tray icon support * https://deb.li/3LTix
[18:57] <KGB-2> balsa upstream/latest 682e6ac Peter Bloomfield (18 files in 4 dirs) * Merge branch '77-notification' into 'master' * https://deb.li/0GAg
[18:57] <KGB-2> balsa upstream/latest 92dcf10 Peter Bloomfield images/meson.build meson.build * images/meson.build: Clean up icon-cache code * https://deb.li/ipkhl
[18:58] <KGB-2> balsa upstream/latest 290994a Yuri Chornoivan po/uk.po * Update Ukrainian translation * https://deb.li/jGMs
[18:58] <KGB-2> balsa upstream/latest 5b05874 Peter Bloomfield libnetclient/meson.build libnetclient/test/meson.build meson.build * meson.build: Meson deprecation cleanup * https://deb.li/3ZkLU
[18:58] <KGB-2> balsa pristine-tar 80bd2c8 Jeremy Bicha balsa_2.6.4.orig.tar.xz.delta balsa_2.6.4.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for balsa_2.6.4.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/BTjn
[19:02] <KGB-0> anjuta Jeremy Bicha 360832 * commented merge request !1 * https://deb.li/xh2D
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[22:58] <KGB-0> brasero Jeremy Bicha 360859 * commented merge request !2 * https://deb.li/RF8G
[23:00] <holmanb> I've been putting off reporting a multi-monitor bug since I'm not sure which project to report to. I see an issue frequently when I switch a window from my secondary monitor (portrait right) to my primary monitor (landscape). After switching monitors, the window fails to resize and the top of the window renders offscreen.
[23:01] <holmanb> When this happens, gnome usually doesn't allow me to switch the window back to the portrait right monitor and I kill and restart the app
[23:02] <holmanb> Where best to report?


[02:16] <Montresor> Happy enough with Core, stuck it in pending/
[05:24] <tomreyn> krytarik: i tried to CC you on the email thread i had with vorlon, but "connect to tuxgarage.com[<IP_ADDRESS>]:25:    Connection timed out" - I'm not sure that's your current e-mail address though, I just found this somewhere (forgot where exactly).
[05:29] <krytarik> Oh crap, the domain is dead again.. XD  (I'm at Gmail too.)
[05:30] <tomreyn> it points to what sounds like an AWS LB
[05:31] <tomreyn> (i don't think those do e-mail)
[09:12] <Montresor> I'll release Core once I hear back from Emery, presuming his once-over turns out positive.  I tried it with both BIOS and UEFI boot (qemu, though) and it all seemed fine enough.  Quirks here and there, but eh.
[09:31] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-seed:: platform.groovy -> platform.hirsute @ http://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu/commit/?id=42c641a4c39f8ee2a5a9c34dee93bd9463805575 (by Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak)
[17:36] <albinard> Sorry to report big install crash on Xubuntu Core from latest (10/22) ISO.
[17:38] <albinard> Install to HP p7-1010, AMD64, BIOS failed to install to drive.


[00:58] <stlsaint> lukjad86: sup
[03:58] <NongA_TongE> Help! -  Flash sound doesn't work in firefox 3.6.3 in my shiny new 10.04 upgrade.
[03:58] <nigelb> i386 or amd64?
[03:59] <NongA_TongE> After checking the forums,  I found a thread with some hope,  I followed the instructions and downloaded and installed adobe's flash player for 9.04 apt.
[03:59] <NongA_TongE> i386
[03:59] <NongA_TongE> still not working,
[03:59] <NongA_TongE> someone else thought that it might be that the pcm volume is set to 0%
[04:00] <NongA_TongE> can't figure out how to get to the Pcm control
[04:00] <nigelb> why di you download the 9.04 apt?
[04:00] <nigelb> isn't there a flash plugin in lucid
[04:01] <NongA_TongE> there is but it doesn
[04:01] <NongA_TongE> t
[04:01] <nigelb> it works fine for me on i386
[04:01] <NongA_TongE> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1467907
[04:02] <nigelb> have you installed ubuntu-restricted-extras? It generally has all the plugins you want
[04:02] <NongA_TongE> yep.
[04:02] <nigelb> ok, so flash works and no volume?
[04:02] <NongA_TongE> yessir
[04:03] <nigelb> ok, thats going to take longer to figure out and I have to run out
[04:03] <nigelb> lemme find someone to help you
[04:03]  * starcraftman swoops in to the rescue with his amazing cape!
[04:04] <NongA_TongE> woohoo.
[04:04] <starcraftman> you can tell it's amazing, it's got stars on it!
[04:04] <NongA_TongE> nigelb, starcraftman,  it may be a moot point,  It works fine in Chrome,
[04:04] <NongA_TongE> it's just firefox that appears to have the problem
[04:05] <nigelb> NongA_TongE: try deleting your profile then
[04:05] <nigelb> your profile may be corrupted
[04:05] <NongA_TongE> my firefox profile?
[04:05] <nigelb> yuo
[04:05] <starcraftman> ah ha, flash with no volume, a not uncommon problem. You did check the pcm level yes? Also, backup firefox profile in case.
[04:06] <nigelb> firefox -ProfileManager
[04:06] <nigelb> and create a new profile and login with it and try
[04:06] <NongA_TongE> starcraftman, how do I check pcm volume?
[04:06] <starcraftman> NongA_TongE: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[04:06] <NongA_TongE> Ubuntu
[04:07] <starcraftman> NongA_TongE: mmm, open sound preferences from the lil volume icon, Applications tab > check its 100% for plugin.
[04:09] <NongA_TongE> there is no 'lil volume icon,  just pulse audio menu....
[04:09] <starcraftman> NongA_TongE: there's no volume icon in system tray?
[04:11] <holstein> how about from terminal aplay -l
[04:12] <holstein> well, you should still have an icon if you sound device is not installed
[04:12] <holstein> maybe you just removed it from the panel by accident?
[04:12] <starcraftman> NongA_TongE: there's also always just running basic alsamixer from terminal. You can see everything in there. PCM is one of the bars. Max it and any other ones then try flash again.
[04:13] <holstein> hmmm
[04:13] <starcraftman> hmmmm
[04:14] <starcraftman> holstein: hey, I hmmmed first!
[04:14] <holstein> lol
[04:14] <starcraftman> hehe
[04:14] <starcraftman> oh well, he left.
[04:15] <holstein> maybe his sound came back ;)
[04:15] <starcraftman> I'm betting on net errors, people usually say bye.
[04:17] <holstein> he ran alsamixer in the terminal, bumped up the volume on the hanson 'mmm-bop' youtube vid, and took off
[04:17]  * holstein just recentlu learned about aplay -l
[04:17] <holstein> recently*
[04:17] <holstein> and arecord -l
[04:18] <holstein> handy for troubleshooting :)
[04:18] <holstein> ive never used them for anything else, just -l
[04:30] <NongA_TongE> starcraftman?
[04:30] <NongA_TongE> sorry about that,  just lost my connection.
[04:31] <starcraftman> holstein: I win!
[04:31] <starcraftman> NongA_TongE: hehe. figured so.
[04:31] <NongA_TongE> no, it was replaced by the pulseaudio applet
 which, strangely, I installed to try to find PCM levels
 lol
 however,  If I go to "Sound" under "Preferences" I have an "Applications" tab,  and the volume is all the way up.
 did I lose connection?
[04:31] <NongA_TongE> that was ,what I saw last.
[04:32] <starcraftman> NongA_TongE: can you open a terminal and just type in "alsamixer" with no quotes. You can check pcm from there. Make everything raised above 0.
[04:32] <NongA_TongE> already did that.
[04:32] <NongA_TongE> only thing that shows in alsamixer is Master
[04:33] <NongA_TongE> and it is all the way up.
[04:34] <NongA_TongE> wonder if I lost connection again
[04:34] <starcraftman> NongA_TongE: really, bit odd, usually have at least 2 or 3/. Doh. Try aplay -l see if that comamnd pops up your audio device.
[04:35] <starcraftman> I'm still here.
[04:35] <NongA_TongE> waiting,  waiting,
[04:35] <holstein> ;)
[04:35] <NongA_TongE> nothing for aplay.
[04:36] <NongA_TongE> just a flashing cursor.
[04:36] <holstein> aplay -l
[04:37] <holstein> should list your available sound out's
[04:37] <NongA_TongE> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[04:37] <NongA_TongE> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog]
[04:37] <NongA_TongE>   Subdevices: 1/1
[04:37] <NongA_TongE>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[04:37] <NongA_TongE> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 3: INTEL HDMI [INTEL HDMI]
[04:37] <NongA_TongE>   Subdevices: 1/1
[04:37] <NongA_TongE>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[04:37] <holstein> OK
[04:37] <holstein> so your good
[04:37] <holstein> AND if you paste more that a few lines
[04:37] <starcraftman> NongA_TongE: future reference, don't paste multilines into irc channel. Use pastebin.
[04:37] <holstein> use pastebin
[04:38] <NongA_TongE> sure enuf
[04:38] <holstein> yeah, what starcraftman said ^^ :)
[04:38] <NongA_TongE> paste.ubuntu.com right?
[04:39] <starcraftman> NongA_TongE: aye, that works. Now hmmm, why no sound with flash, good question.
[04:39] <NongA_TongE> only with firefox
[04:39] <holstein> or just http://pastebin.com/
[04:39]  * NongA_TongE thinks that is an important distinction
[04:40] <NongA_TongE> honestly, I'm not tied to firefox.  Chrome seems decent, and it works.  as does opera, methinks
[04:40] <paultag> NongA_TongE, what's the output of `lsb_release -r`
[04:41] <holstein> so this is just sound with flash in FF ?
[04:41] <NongA_TongE> Release:        10.04
[04:41] <holstein> other sound is OK ?
[04:41] <NongA_TongE> yes sier
[04:41] <NongA_TongE> all other sound is peachy-keen
[04:41] <paultag> NongA_TongE, do you have other apps open when you have FF open?
[04:41] <holstein> yeah, sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[04:41] <paultag> NongA_TongE, such as rhythmbox
[04:41] <NongA_TongE> nay
[04:41] <holstein> and enjoy the speed :)
[04:41] <paultag> NongA_TongE, are you 100% sure ?
[04:42] <paultag> NongA_TongE, because they can clog the pulse output line, and they stay connected even when the interface is closed
[04:42] <paultag> ( or not playing )
[04:42] <NongA_TongE> yes,  I used to have that problem in hardy, where ff couldn't grab the sound from the other app
[04:42] <paultag> OK
[04:42] <starcraftman> NongA_TongE: just a thought but firefox didn't like partially crash did it? Maybe just flash in firefox. See system monitor and make sure it's terminated.
[04:42] <paultag> +1 starcraftman
[04:42] <NongA_TongE> but I fixed it some time ago,  and,  nothing besides xchat or terminal
[04:43]  * starcraftman has had too many such crashes.
[04:43] <holstein> yup
[04:43] <NongA_TongE> no remaining firefox components running
[04:44] <NongA_TongE> so far chrome is performing nicely compared to FF
[04:44] <holstein> that had my vote too :/
[04:44] <NongA_TongE> I might just stick with it.
[04:44] <starcraftman> hmmm, well that's weird. Any more ideas paultag?
[04:44] <paultag> starcraftman, no. I wish I could say "Just use Chrome" but my guess is this affects other users too, and I'd love to solve it
[04:45] <paultag> y'know
[04:45] <starcraftman> I think I gotta leave atm now anyway, later. Crome should serve ya fine NongA_TongE, if ya don't mind our glorious overlord spying :p
[04:45] <NongA_TongE> lol.
[04:46] <NongA_TongE> I think I'll be good for now,  I really appreciate your time,  at any rate, gave me some good stuff to check.  I'll keep looking and if I come up with a solution, I'll let y'all know.
[04:46] <paultag> it's f/oss!
[04:46] <paultag> NongA_TongE, thanks :)
[04:47] <NongA_TongE> Y'all take it easy.
[05:07] <iantlopp> I just got a contour shuttle pro 2 (used), and I'd like to know how to test to see if it's working. as it's not a keyboard, or mouse input device, there's no direct app I can find for testing the buttons, keypresses, shuttle motions, etc...
[05:07] <iantlopp> is there any way to see/monitor usb information, i.e. what buttons are being pressed on a device attached via USB/
[05:07] <iantlopp> ?
[05:18] <iantlopp> http://retail.contourdesign.com/?/products/5 is the website for the Shuttle Pro 2
[05:28] <iantlopp> I can't seem to add the repositories for cinellera :(
[05:29] <iantlopp> it says they're added but neither synaptic nor aptitude can find cinellera afterwards
[05:29] <iantlopp> I'm following the instructions listed at deb http://akirad.cinelerra.org akirad-YOURVERSION main
[05:29] <iantlopp> err..
[05:29] <iantlopp> http://cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php listed there
[05:30] <iantlopp> and no, I didn't leave "YOURVERSION" when I used that command.
[05:34] <iantlopp> augh... stupid me, nevermind... I kept spelling it cinelerra in the search, no wonder it couldn't find it.
[05:34] <iantlopp> heh
[05:52] <gekken11> \join #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:52] <gekken11> argh
[06:40] <asterismo> hi people
[06:41] <asterismo> i just wanted to say that i started a new blog about ubuntu
[06:41] <asterismo> i'm from uruguay LoCo
[06:41] <asterismo> padawan of PabloRubianes
[06:41] <asterismo> and the difference is that this blog is in english
[06:41] <asterismo> this is the blog
[06:41] <asterismo> http://ubuntherapy.blogspot.com
[06:42] <asterismo> and i wanted to say that i made my wiki page at the uruguayan community
[06:42] <asterismo> this is the link, and it is also in english
[06:43] <asterismo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/santiago-roland
[06:43] <asterismo> that's it
[06:43] <asterismo> feel free to make comments, and i apologize for my (sometimes) poor english
[08:24] <nishanth> does any one know wat plugin is needed to play some live stream video which uses mms
[08:55] <smeag0l> good morning
[09:04] <nishanth>  does any one know wat plugin is needed to play some live stream video which uses mms
[09:19] <geirha> gecko-mediaplayer should handle it.
[09:25] <Bodman456> Hi guys!
[09:25] <Bodman456> Can you guys help me with a proxy issue?
[09:38] <that_guy_> hello?
[09:38] <that_guy_> I need help with Ubuntu
[09:39] <that_guy_> when I type in sudo apt-get install such and such I get E: Type 'dep-src' is not known on line 50 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list E: The list of sources could not be read.
[09:39] <that_guy_> help?
[09:40] <geirha> dep-src on line 50 should probably be deb-src
[09:41] <that_guy_> im sorry but I only got Ubuntu like a week ago... where is the line 50?
[09:41] <geirha> gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:41] <geirha> You don't know how that line got there?
[09:42] <that_guy_> no
[09:42] <geirha> You must've run a script that edited it for you then. Apparently a broken script.
[09:43] <that_guy_> ahh... I think I have it...
[09:43] <Bodman456> Sure sounds like a broken script
[09:43] <that_guy_> I got the CD from Ubuntu site...
[09:43] <that_guy_> This has been a massive problem for me...
[09:45] <geirha> 50+ line /etc/apt/sources.list. That's a massive size for a week old system. You've added a lot of repositories?
[09:45] <that_guy_> no i havent done anything with the repository since install
[09:46] <geirha> That's a bit creepy ... an important system file's been changed without you knowing about it.
[09:46] <that_guy_> eek...
[09:47] <geirha> System -> Administration -> Software Sources   you've never used that?
[09:47] <that_guy_> I did for like one software
[09:47] <that_guy_> also, I just downloaded sound convert and how do I run it?
[09:48] <geirha> Ah ok, you must've accidentaly changed the b to a p when adding that repository then
[09:49] <that_guy_> now i downloaded sound convert, how do I locate and run it?
[09:49] <geirha> Not familiar with that app, but look in Applications -> Sound & Video
[09:51] <that_guy_> its not in there Im afraid
[09:51] <geirha> Ok, then how did you "download it" ?
[09:53] <that_guy_> i used sudo apt-get install sound convert
[09:53] <that_guy_> soundconvert*
[09:53] <geirha> I don't see any packages with that name. Try the Software center instead
[09:54] <geirha> Applications -> Ubuntu Software Center,  search for sound convert, then select the one you want and click install
[09:55] <that_guy_> oh yeah... My mistake!! its sound convertER!
[09:55] <geirha> :)
[09:56] <that_guy_> thanks!
[09:56] <geirha> yw
[09:56] <that_guy_> Ive book marked this page for later on!
[09:56] <that_guy_> real helpful
[09:58] <that_guy__> okay... :) Im back with another question...
[09:59] <that_guy__> is ogg files same as Mp3 files?
[10:01] <geirha> No. They contain audio, but uses a different codec.
[10:03] <that_guy__> ahh.
[10:04] <geirha> ogg is free and unrestricted, mp3 is restricted by patents
[10:04] <geirha> That's why ubuntu supports ogg out-of-the box, but not mp3
[10:04] <that_guy__> ahh... any software that can convert MPEG M4a files to mp3?
[10:07] <geirha> In the software center, search for «ubuntu restricted extras» and install it. It will install lots of codecs, including mp3.
[10:07] <geirha> After that, sound converter should be able to convert to mp3
[10:07] <nishanth>  does any one know wat plugin is needed to play some live stream video which uses mms
[10:08] <geirha> nishanth: Try gecko-mediaplayer
[10:09] <that_guy_> another question ;)
[10:09] <that_guy_> dvd's wont play on my comp
[10:09] <nishanth> geriha well this is an online link . i tried many players like totem and vlc it did not work it needs some plugin
[10:10] <geirha> nishanth: gecko-mediaplayer is a plugin for gecko browsers (like firefox)
[10:10] <that_guy_> i tried to download the plupin that allows me to play regional code locked dvd...
[10:10] <geirha> that_guy_: help.ubuntu.com has info about that
[10:11] <geirha> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/musicvideophotos/C/video-dvd.html
[10:11] <geirha> The movie industry encrypt dvds to prevent you from watching dvds on other players than the ones they decide.
[10:12] <geirha> Luckily, there encryption is easy to crack ;)
[10:13] <that_guy_> YAY it works!!
[10:14] <that_guy_> My final and last question of the days is: How do I make Windows Mobile sync with my comp??
[10:14] <ZachK_> Hi team
[10:15] <nishanth> geriha it still did not work... is there any other plugin?
[10:16] <ZachK_> nishanth: Are you still trying to watch that video?
[10:17] <nishanth> ZachK as a matter of fact yes
[10:17] <geirha> that_guy_: That's beyond my expertize I'm afraid.
[10:18] <geirha> nishanth: Then that site probably does alot of weird stuff to make it work better with windows media player or something like that.
[10:19] <geirha> nishanth: It might not work with linux at all. Your best bet is to google it.    ubuntu watch videos on <that site>
[10:20] <that_guy_> i was watching Atlantis land streaming live from the internet... is this the same?
[10:20] <nishanth> geriha i dont think such a search would yeild anything
[10:21] <nishanth> that_guy_ can you give me that link so that i can check to see if any live streaming works?
[10:22] <geirha> nishanth: Well, I've been down that road myself. Some sites are simple and streams just fine, others have all kinds of windows-specific crap that breaks it for linux clients. I've given up trying to get those to work.
[10:22] <that_guy_> nishanth http://www.livestream.com/spaceflightnow
[10:23] <nishanth> geriha as a matter of fact this worked a while back on linux and all of a sudden it stopped
[10:23] <nishanth> that_guy_ it works for me
[10:24] <geirha> nishanth: Then they probably made some "improvements"
[10:25] <nishanth> that_guy_  can you tell me if this link works for you http://olangal.com/component/content/article/48-live-tv/1425-asianet-live.html
[10:28] <that_guy_> nishanth Im sorry but my intermet is capped and is taking forever to load
[10:29] <nishanth> geriha unlike firefox for some odd reason when i open the link in chrome it keeps telling missing plugin
[10:34] <nishanth> sayonara...to late already
[11:45] <snipyz> Question: Is it possible to run ubuntu server from WRT160NL USB drive log in and configure via remote
[11:46] <snipyz> trying to setup remote ubuntu server in house always on.....
[14:58] <Guilherme> Hello there
[14:58] <Guest92879> I have a question about the installation of Ubuntu, anyone?
[14:58] <ddecator> morning Guest92879, go ahead and ask instead of asking if you can ask :)
[14:59] <Guest92879> hehehe ok, I have windows 7 installed on my Pc and I'd like to know if I can install Ubunt without removing my windows (I've tryied that "windows installer" but it gets an error so I've download the ISO file)
[14:59] <ddecator> definitely
[15:00] <ddecator> do you mean you tried Wubi?
[15:00] <Guest92879> yes, and it gets and error ... so I had to download the ISO file
[15:00] <Guest92879> an error*
[15:01] <ddecator> ok. if you place the .iso in the same folder as wubi.exe, it should detect it. does it still get an error then?
[15:02] <Guest92879> I haven't tried this ... just put the ISO file in the root folder?
[15:02] <ddecator> in whatever folder the wubi.exe file is
[15:02] <Guest92879> ok then, i'm @ work now but later I'll try this .. thanks for your help ddecator :)
[15:03] <ddecator> no problem :)
[16:19] <bin10101> how come my ubuntu boxes don't ever show up on my router/firewall by name, but windows, mac os, and even my directv does....am i missing a setting?
[16:20] <bin10101> by hostname, sorry....so for some boxes on my network I can say http://tomato, but for my ubuntu boxes, I have to know the ip addresss
[16:25] <bin10101> okay, I found something in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[16:26] <bin10101> it currently has:
[16:26] <bin10101> send host-name "<hostname>";
[16:26] <bin10101> i see online you can do: send host-name "hairybobscomputer";
[16:26] <bin10101> is there a way to just say something more like send host-name "$hostname";??????
[17:00] <duanedesign> bin10101: what does :      sudo /bin/hostname
[17:00] <duanedesign> return
[17:01] <bin10101> bobsubuntu
[17:07] <duanedesign> hmmm
[17:10] <duanedesign> bin10101: see if this post helps at all
[17:10] <duanedesign> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1087770.html
[17:14] <bin10101> k thanks, I will check it out
[18:15] <Phrea> I've got a bit of a question... :o
[18:16] <Chesamo> PhreaL shoot
[18:16] <Chesamo> Phrea:*
[18:16] <Phrea> can you kind people please help me some time talk me through making my network work, so that I can share files between the computers? :o
[18:16] <Chesamo> Phrea: I assume using Ubuntu?
[18:16] <Phrea> I know it's a lot to ask, and the forums might be better, but I'm better with doing things on the fly, with support
[18:17] <Phrea> ChanServ: yes, twice Ubuntu, once Xubuntu
[18:17] <Phrea> I dont have windows
[18:17] <Phrea> I'm NOT talking about now
[18:17] <Chesamo> ChanServ?  Then sure
[18:17] <Phrea> that shouldnt even tabcomplete
[18:17] <Phrea> yea
[18:18] <Phrea> I'm better doing that stuff 'live'
[18:18] <Chesamo> Phrea: I know, right? Interesting oversight
[18:18] <Phrea> not now, but maybe next week or so
[18:18] <Phrea> I thought I might first ask permission, because normally one would use the forums
[18:18] <Chesamo> Phrea: Yeah, don't worry about it. Not like there's any restriction on what can or can't be done in here
[18:19] <Phrea> true, but it is a bit much maybe, it could take several hours...
[18:19] <Phrea> I've been lurking here for a year now, and this teaches me even more than the forums
[18:20] <Chesamo> Phrea: Network sharing? Doesn't take too long.
[18:20] <Phrea> ah, ok :)
[18:20] <Phrea> haha
[18:20] <Phrea> thanks in advance :)
[18:20] <Phrea> you guys rule
[18:21] <Phrea> I've completely switched to Linux on all my computers within one year
[18:21] <Phrea> it's amazing
[18:21] <Phrea> it just works
[18:21] <Phrea> now this networking thing, and I'm set !
[18:22] <Chesamo> Phrea: That's really good to hear :D
[18:22] <Phrea> yea, it is, isnt it? :)
[18:22] <Phrea> everything works
[18:23] <Phrea> there's nothing that doesnt
[18:23] <Phrea> at all
[18:23] <Chesamo> Phrea: Most of the time ;-)
[18:23] <Phrea> for me, everything, on every computer, with every kind of configuration
[18:23] <Phrea> sometimes one has to do some minor things, but that's it
[18:24] <Phrea> even my Olympus camera with xD [grrr] works now :D
[18:24] <Phrea> maybe I'm lucky
[18:24] <Chesamo> Phrea: Don't worry, I have the same experience.
[18:24] <Phrea> great :)
[18:25] <Phrea> how long have you been using Ubuntu and/or Linux?
[18:26] <Chesamo> Phrea: About four years now
[18:26] <Phrea> ah, nice
[18:26] <Phrea> fulltime?
[18:26] <Chesamo> Phrea: Sadly no. Primary systems, yes, but work and school dictates otherwise.
[18:26] <Chesamo> dictate*
[18:26] <Phrea> oh ah
[18:27] <Phrea> I've been using it fulltime for about 10 months now
[18:27] <Phrea> [but I'm a very slow learner]
[18:27] <Chesamo> Phrea: Though I've lucked out... the lab I've been employed at since November allows me to run Ubuntu as my primary system. Gotta have a Mac on my desk just in case, though.
[18:27] <Phrea> aha, nice !
[18:27] <Phrea> why the mac?
[18:28] <Phrea> and could you elaborate about 'the lab' you speak of? :)
[18:28] <asterismo> hi people
[18:28] <Phrea> 'lo
[18:29] <Chesamo> Phrea: Macs are hot in the physics world these days... I'd honestly prefer Windows over it because the Linux/UNIX design paradigms are so much closer to it than OSX.
[18:29] <Chesamo> Phrea: http://stl.uml.edu/
[18:30] <Phrea> oooh, you are a smart [wo]man !
[18:30] <Phrea> :o
[18:30] <Phrea> I'm not even half as smart
[18:30] <Phrea> haha
[18:31] <Chesamo> Phrea: Good call with the brackets
[18:31] <Chesamo> Phrea: Nah, I'm just a college sophomore who was in the right place at the right time ;-)
[18:31] <Phrea> still, you are smart :)
[18:31] <Phrea> I'm not all that smart
[18:31] <Phrea> so what is it? is it with or without brackets?
[18:32] <Chesamo> Phrea: "Smart" is subjective, believe me. Go to the Staff page and look at Jerry Waldman... that man is a freaking genius
[18:32] <Chesamo> Phrea: With
[18:32] <Chesamo> phrea: and by that I mean include
[18:32] <Phrea> ah, ok :)
[18:32] <Phrea> I never know, and I don't really care either :)
[18:33] <Phrea> the only thing now is, if I would ever ask, I'd ask how young you are, and not how old you are :D
[18:33] <Chesamo> Phrea: Fair enough. It's usually safe to assume male unless otherwise told ;-)
[18:33] <Chesamo> Phrea: hahaha.
[18:33] <Phrea> I never assume
[18:33] <Phrea> a lot of people think I'm female
[18:33] <Phrea> because of my nick [it ends with an a, it seems that one is then considered female]
[18:34] <Chesamo> Phrea: Oh don't worry. My situation is more complicated than most... I'm physically male.
[18:34] <Phrea> oh ok :)
[18:34] <Phrea> no need to explain any further
[18:34] <Phrea> I dont care either way
[18:35] <Chesamo> Phrea: But yeah, I'm glad STL allows me to use Ubuntu for my normal work. We use a programming language called LabVIEW, and once I discovered there's a Linux version I pounced on it
[18:35] <Phrea> I'm male, physically and mentally, if you care to know :)
[18:36] <Phrea> ah
[18:36] <Phrea> cool :)
[18:36] <Phrea> I can chose whatever I want
[18:36] <Phrea> I don't work
[18:36] <Chesamo> Phrea: Ah hah, fair enough
[18:36] <Phrea> so for me, I chose Linux over Windows
[18:37] <Phrea> Chesamo: see, everybody has a 'story' :D
[18:37] <Chesamo> Phrea: A 'story' in what sense?
[18:37] <Phrea> well, everybody has something that makes them unique :)
[18:37] <Phrea> that is all
[18:37] <Chesamo> ah
[18:37] <Phrea> I'm sorry if I said it wrong
[18:38] <Phrea> didn't mean anything by it
[18:38] <Chesamo> No, it was just a little vague
[18:38] <Phrea> yea I know, sorry
[18:38] <Chesamo> Oh, motion to move this conversation into PM? We're kinda flooding the channel.
[18:38] <Phrea> ok :)
[19:28] <sanju_74> I have ubuntu installed on my entire disk
[19:28] <sanju_74> now I want to create a dual boot
[19:28] <sanju_74> how can i do it without wiping the entire disk
[21:58] <sterlo> Is it possible to search across a file system by image dimensions?
[23:05] <gankthoven> im trying to install 10.04 and after the splash screen my monitor goes blank.  runing ati 5750
[23:41] <nishanth> does any one know how to make a live stream video play that uses mms plugin?
[23:41] <holstein> nishanth: have you tried VLC ?
[23:42] <nishanth> holstein oh i have tried all players i know of
[23:43] <holstein> whats the stream?
[23:43] <nishanth> holstein this video used to work in  chrome before ..but now after i reinstall lucid it does not work
[23:43] <nishanth> holstein http://olangal.com/component/content/article/48-live-tv/1425-asianet-live.html
[23:44] <nishanth> holstein does it work for yo?
[23:44] <holstein> ill try chromium for a laugh
[23:45] <holstein> not in FF
[23:47] <nishanth> holstein it does not work in FF or chrome
[23:49] <holstein> im not having any luck
[23:50] <holstein> i would contact the site
[23:50] <holstein> and ask just what your suppose to watch it with
[23:50] <holstein> looks like its been locked down for some reason
[23:52] <nishanth> holstein well it works in wondows
[23:52] <nishanth> windows
[23:52] <holstein> yeah
[23:52] <holstein> the activeX
[23:52] <holstein> its doesnt work for me on OSX
[23:52] <holstein> or linux
[23:52] <holstein> in any browser
[23:53] <holstein> you should send a strongly worded email
[23:53] <nishanth> wat is OSX?
[23:53] <holstein> i would install FF with wine
[23:53] <holstein> and see if it works that way
[23:53] <holstein> i only tried chrome in OSX
[23:54] <ddecator> nishanth: OSX is the Mac OS
[23:54] <holstein> OH
[23:55] <holstein> yeah
[23:55] <holstein> my bad
[23:55] <holstein> i though you said what 'in' OSX
[23:55] <holstein> like what browser
[23:55] <ddecator> totem tries to play it when i go to that site, but says it can't read the source
[23:56] <ddecator> i'm not sure there is anything for linux that can get activex-dependent things like this to work properly
[23:57] <holstein> FF in wine would be worth a try
[23:57] <ddecator> wine is probably the only way that might work (as holstein already suggested), but i'm not sure if it will or not
[23:57] <holstein> BUT yeah, im not sure about activeX in there