[04:16] <DAC1138> neighborlee, but otherwise, suse is a very good distro. i still recommend ubuntu though to the n00bs
 you can get APT from SUSE also I think..
[04:16] <neighborlee> DAC1138, I think apt is invading the known linux universe .harhar
[04:16] <DAC1138> BeefTube, you can, but i could never get it setup
[04:16] <SDFH_Linux>  what is now called windows longhorn is going to be called windows vista
[04:16] <neighborlee> BeefTube, yes. apt4rpm\
[04:16] <BeefTube> neat :)
[04:16] <DAC1138> BeefTube, there's also RPM repositories, which acts like apt-get, which never worked too well
[04:16] <neighborlee> SDFH_Linux, gez can't they make up their minds ?lol
[04:17] <SDFH_Linux> thats it
[04:17] <bob2> nmorse: what does 'grep root /etc/passwd' print?
[04:17] <Madpilot> i've always called it "Windows 2010", figure that's when it'll actually make it out... :)
[04:17] <BeefTube> I use Ubuntu and kanotix... verry nice with APT
[04:17] <DAC1138> neighborlee, its apt now, but i have a feeling emerge will catch on
[04:17] <jurgonh> I get this error message when i try to enable DMA on my DVD-rom:  sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[04:17] <jurgonh> /dev/hda:
[04:17] <jurgonh>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[04:17] <jurgonh>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[04:17] <jurgonh>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[04:17] <bob2> jurgonh: please read the topic, and do not paste things here again
[04:18] <neighborlee> BeefTube, faik ubuntu is much closer to debian which is always a good thing for dependency handling <wink> ..faik anyway
[04:18] <jurgonh> ok.. sry
[04:18] <bob2> nmorse: and 'dmesg | tail -n10' to #flood
[04:18] <DAC1138> hey, who was asking about realplayer?
[04:18] <cw2> jurgonh: pay atention man, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=263840
[04:18] <BeefTube> yea, kanotix it debian based also.... in a pinch I can just use DEB :)
[04:18] <neighborlee> DAC1138, dunno i've seen far too many emerge complaints but long as it improves...
[04:18] <DAC1138> i found out whats wrong. mine was working because i had just run "killall esd" thats why my realplayer was working
[04:19] <nmorse> hang on bob2, I'm trying something else right now
[04:19] <DAC1138> neighborlee, apt wasnt perfect when it first started, neither is emerge, but as it gets older, it will become more refined and faster, and improve as apt did
[04:19] <airmikey> anyone here have the ,dell 6000d laptop ?
[04:20] <neighborlee> those trying blender first time or pros alike should consider going to #blender as alot of good help can be had there( and nice people like in #ubuntu) ...just a eensy FYI to those using it ;-))))
[04:20] <DAC1138> IIIEars, do you remember who was asking about realplayer not working?
[04:20] <reka> gigaclon iirc
[04:20] <DAC1138> neighborlee, yeah, i havent helped in blender in a while, been busy on that project
[04:20] <zenlunatic> neighborlee: heh thanks for the FYI
[04:20] <neighborlee> anytime  ;00
[04:20] <DAC1138> neighborlee, im there, but im idle, lol. i help ocassionally when i see someone
[04:20] <neighborlee> DAC1138, :)
[04:21] <kevin> IIEars: I got a faster laptop today, yahoooooooo I am getting better with setting this wireless stuff up lol
[04:21] <neighborlee> DAC1138, yup you have been very helpful
[04:21] <wm_eddie> Does anybody know if bad things will happen to my laptop if I use kernel <IP_ADDRESS>?
[04:21] <kevin> IIIEars: I got a faster laptop today, yahoooooooo I am getting better with setting this wireless stuff up lol
[04:21] <kevin> sorry for the mane mistake
[04:22] <kevin> name^^
[04:22] <bob2> wm_eddie: it won't work as well, if you're compiling it yourself
[04:22] <nalioth> evenin y'all
[04:22] <wm_eddie> bob2: Yeah, well sound and suspend are very important.
[04:23] <wm_eddie> does hoary's udev work with 2.6.12?
[04:23] <bob2> probably not
[04:23] <bob2> nor will your wireless, most likely
[04:23] <fuoco> i'm trying to install ubuntu on a retarded machine, 32Mb ram. when i go to expert and run a shell i can't seem to have /dev/hd* for my hard-disk. anyone knows what can i do to get that ?
[04:23] <IIIEars> DAC1138 - real player freezes? - gigaclon - needed to search the log sorry about being slow
[04:23] <wm_eddie> damn.  I wish I could try breezy out....
[04:24] <DAC1138> IIIEars, i forgot to enable logging
[04:24] <DAC1138> IIIEars, got it enabled now
[04:24] <bob2> wm_eddie: why do you want 2.6.12?
[04:24] <DAC1138> gigaclon, got the realplayer problem. try "killall esd" and run realplayer
[04:24] <_simple> hmm, i need help i get "fatal error [-618] : couldn't open xpistub library" when trying to use firefox 1.0.6 installer
[04:25] <bob2> sounds like the tarball was broken
[04:26] <_simple> k
[04:26] <wm_eddie> bob2: from what I can tell, sound on the Sharp MM20 works with kernel 2.6.9
[04:26] <wm_eddie> 2.6.10 broke it.
[04:26] <wm_eddie> second I need to get swsuspend2
[04:27] <bob2> why "need"?
[04:27] <gigaclon> gxine works
[04:27] <goodman> how can i get the gnome wireless applet?
[04:28] <abarbaccia> how do you check signal strengths with a wireless card?
[04:28] <abarbaccia> (i got mine working) bob2 ndiswrapper was the way to go, and i had to remove all other modules and compile...odd but whatever
[04:28] <wm_eddie> bob2: because suspend doesn't work.
[04:29] <bob2> goodman: install netapplet
[04:29] <bob2> abarbaccia: with iwconfig
[04:29] <bob2> ouch
[04:29] <goodman> bob2: is that the gnome applet?
[04:29] <bob2> wm_eddie: doesn't work?
[04:29] <bob2> goodman: indeed
[04:29] <goodman> bob2: thanks a lot
[04:30] <wm_eddie> bob2: The laptop suspends but it doesn't wake up in a usable state.
[04:30] <abarbaccia> bob2, iwconfig doesnt list the strength of the signals around me
[04:30] <teferi> abarbaccia: the answer is, unfortunately, that there current is no universal way of doing so
[04:30] <kevin> OMG do I love having a faster laptop lol, things go much quicker than it does on a p1 233 lol
[04:30] <teferi> the meaning of the signal strength that iwconfig shows you varies wildly by driver
[04:30] <kdoggy> does anybody know how the heck to install codecs for totem on a fresh install of hoary?
[04:31] <abarbaccia> teferi, this sucks
[04:31] <Burgundavia> kdoggy, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:31] <Burgundavia> kdoggy, you need totem-xine and w32codecs
[04:31] <goodman> bob2: should it be in the add to panel list immediately?
[04:31] <teferi> abarbaccia: yes
[04:31] <teferi> abarbaccia: yes it does
[04:32] <Computer__Guru> there
[04:32] <Computer__Guru> sysv audit complete
[04:32] <kdoggy> i downloaded the w32codecs, but i have no idea where things are supposed to go or if i need to force totem to recognize them. I've placed the codecs in /usr/local/lib/codecs.
[04:32] <DrKayBee> kdoggy did you run gst-register-0.8?
[04:32] <Computer__Guru> kdoggy: you need to rebuild totem to recognize them, i would imagine
[04:32] <bob2> wm_eddie: have you filed a bug?
[04:32] <Computer__Guru> or maybe not
[04:33] <Computer__Guru> you have to recompile mplayer to see the w32 codecs
[04:33] <bob2> kdoggy: no, /usr/lib/win32 is the place to put them
[04:33] <wm_eddie> I'm waiting till breezy's X works then I'll file bugs there
[04:33] <bob2> abarbaccia: some drivers don't support that
[04:33] <nickrud> kdoggy, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo tells you how to add your codect to totem-xine
[04:33] <Computer__Guru> bob2: dont you need to recompile mplayer in order to get w32codecs?
[04:33] <nickrud> *codecs
[04:33] <DrKayBee> anyone have any experience with the HAS and dbus stuff in Hoary?
[04:34] <kdoggy> thanks for the guidance. does anybody know of a link to recompile totem? I'll check the ones you have posted so far.
[04:34] <DrKayBee> HAL and dbus
[04:34] <bob2> Computer__Guru: no idea
[04:34] <kdoggy> i will try it, nickrud.
[04:34] <bob2> DrKayBee: best to just ask your question
[04:34] <bob2> recompiling totem is massive, massive oevrkill
[04:34] <nickrud> kdoggy, thats how I do it, so I can stay out of backports
[04:35] <DrKayBee> I'm playing CS:Czero w/ Cedega. CZERO disc gets automounted but not recognized by czero
[04:35] <DAC1138> gigaclon, but just in case other programs dont work (like audacity or other audio related programs) it probably going to be the killall esd problem
[04:36] <DrKayBee> the disc can be browsed properly...
[04:36] <DrKayBee> restarting dbus doesn't help
[04:36] <DAC1138> DragonFly, does CS work in full screen in cedega?
[04:36] <DAC1138> arrg, DrKayBee read the DragonFly response i wrote
[04:36] <DrKayBee> yes - it does when it works
[04:37] <DAC1138> DrKayBee, i can only get deus ex and other games to play in their "safe mode" in a window
[04:37] <DrKayBee> hmm.. I only have CD
[04:37] <DrKayBee> CS
[04:38] <fuoco> how can i make a rescue floppy with fdisk from windows ?
[04:38] <thespiritoftal> hi
[04:38] <DrKayBee> I find the HAL system unreliable at best. Also, putting the disc in an external drive leads to some copy protection error
[04:38] <thespiritoftal> how can i install java to ubuntu?
[04:39] <Burgundavia> thespiritoftal, wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[04:40] <kevin> Have a question, how do I set evolution to use gmail?
[04:40] <thespiritoftal> This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use one of the page templates
[04:40] <Davey> will this (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002ER5B6/104-5284955-4071144?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance) work in Ubuntu?
[04:40] <thespiritoftal> the page doesn't exist Burgundavia
[04:40] <nalioth> kevin: gmail has a walkthrough on your preference page on the web
[04:40] <thespiritoftal> oh I typed it wrong sorry
[04:40] <SDFH_Linux> http://bink.nu/Home.bink
[04:40] <nalioth> !java
[04:40] <ubotu> java is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[04:41] <Computer__Guru> when attempting a 'fakeroot debian/rules binary' from the mplayer-586 source tarball, it builds the .deb files WAY too quickly... it's not compiling them, and the resulting packages contain no actual binaryes, just directories.. anybody know why this is?
[04:41] <Computer__Guru> binaries
[04:41] <psychonate> For some reason Firefox keeps asking me if I want to open WMVs in Totem, which is apparently the default application for WMVs. However, always tell it to open these files in mplayer and mark "Do this automatically for files like this from now on."
[04:42] <Sponge_> I'm trying to compile tlip and I get the following error:
[04:42] <Sponge_> tilp_calcs.c: In function `tilp_calc_rom_dump':
[04:42] <Sponge_> tilp_calcs.c:301: error: `ROM_SE' undeclared (first use in this function)
[04:42] <Sponge_> tilp_calcs.c:301: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
[04:42] <Sponge_> tilp_calcs.c:301: error: for each function it appears in.)
[04:42] <Sponge_> is the source damaged?
[04:42] <psychonate> Go figure, when I find another WMV, it asks me if I want to open it in Totem anyway
[04:42] <Sponge_> (sorry for the flooding!)
[04:42] <shad0w> hey guys
[04:42] <MrGardenHoseMan> anyone know the command to check your hd stats?
[04:42] <kevin> nalioth: ty
[04:42] <shad0w> does anyone know any good mail server+webmail that works good on ubuntu?
[04:42] <psychonate> Is there any way I can *REALLY* make mplayer the default app? I don't even know why Totem is the default.
[04:42] <reka> psychonate: try this: right click on a wmv file in nautilus, properties > open with.
[04:42] <Sponge_> ./configure works fine, but "make" doesn't.
[04:42] <psychonate> I thought /etc/mailcap defined these things
[04:43] <psychonate> reka, I don't use nautilus, and I want to open the file straight from the browser.
[04:43] <Sponge_> psychonate: Right click and change the file properties...
[04:43] <MidNightRaVeN> ! mount
[04:43] <ubotu> rumour has it, mount is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[04:43] <abarbaccia> I have a dlink wireless card and lspci brings up 2 listings: 1) Atheros comm unknown device 2)realtek semi RTL-8139
[04:43] <psychonate> Sponge_, anyway to do this from a terminal?
[04:43] <abarbaccia> which one is the chipset on the card and should i google to get working
[04:44] <Sponge_> psychonate, that's a very good question. I'm not that skilled... T-T sorry...
[04:44] <MidNightRaVeN> i have a question =/ anyone know how to unmount a drive?
[04:44] <Computer__Guru> when attempting a 'fakeroot debian/rules binary' from the mplayer-586 source tarball, it builds the .deb files WAY too quickly... it's not compiling them, and the resulting packages contain no actual binaries, just directories.. anybody know why this is?
[04:44] <MidNightRaVeN> just edit the fstab i'm guessing?
[04:44] <Sponge_> MidNightRaven: unmount /dev/"whatever"
[04:44] <MidNightRaVeN> Sponge_: kk, thx
[04:44] <Sponge_> MidNightRaven: I mean... "umount"
[04:44] <tim__> anyone running hula mail server that can give some tips to a newbie?
[04:45] <MidNightRaVeN> Sponge_: any specific command so I can get a list of the devs?
[04:45] <Sponge_> I need to link my voyage 200 to my ubuntu box!!! --- And I can't do that!! --- T-T the source doesn't like me!
[04:45] <Sponge_> MidNightRaveN: You mean, To get the whole list of mounts?
[04:45] <MidNightRaVeN> Sponge_: yea
[04:45] <shad0w> does anyone know any good mail server+webmail that works good on ubuntu? :OOOOOOOOOOO
[04:45] <reka> psychonate: looked in edit > prefs > downloads > filteypes section yet?
[04:46] <wm_eddie> shad0w: hula?
[04:46] <Sponge_> MidNightRaven: Just type "mount" at the command prompt.
[04:46] <psychonate> reka, yes I have
[04:46] <MidNightRaVeN> Sponge_: kk =)
[04:46] <shad0w> hula :o
[04:46] <wing`> is there anyone who can help me sharing my internet connection with another pc (windows xp) ?
[04:46] <Sponge_> tlip doesn't like me T-T
[04:46] <Madpilot> tim__: there's a hula channel here at freenode
[04:46] <pawan> hello
[04:46] <pawan> anyone into translation
[04:47] <ethics> shad0w,  apache and exim?
[04:47] <Computer__Guru> when attempting a 'fakeroot debian/rules binary' from the mplayer-586 source tarball, it builds the .deb files WAY too quickly... it's not compiling them, and the resulting packages contain no actual binaries, just directories.. anybody know why this is?
[04:47] <Sponge_> wing: Have a look to the "iptables" manual.
[04:47] <Madpilot> bbl, everyone
[04:47] <wing`> the problem is that my linux eth0 is using DHCP
[04:47] <Wckdkl0wn> is there a repository for glib?
[04:47] <tim__> Madpilot, yea. i'd been there, and no one gave me a response until about a minute ago. thanks anyway
[04:47] <wm_eddie> sharing an internet connection is too damn hard in Ubuntu.
[04:47] <wing`> i already tried lots of iptables scripts
[04:47] <wing`> they dont work
[04:48] <Madpilot> tim__: noticed that with a LOT of the channels. 50+ ppl there, and nobody posting a bleeding thing...
[04:48] <Sponge_> wing: So, where is the problem?... hell, I had I tutorial about winxp and linux inet sharing...
[04:48] <Sponge_> wing: specially for these cases...
[04:48] <psychonate> great, I ran nautilus in xfce4, and now my root window is messed
[04:48] <reka> Madpilot: IRC = idle record contest
[04:48] <nalioth> Computer__Guru: have you tried just compiling mplayer from source directly?
[04:48] <wing`> i set all to auto in winxp and it doesnt works
[04:48] <wing`> thats the problem
[04:48] <wing`> and im noob
[04:48] <wing`> another problem
[04:49] <Wckdkl0wn> is there a repository for glib2.0?
[04:49] <psychonate> I can't click on it :(
[04:49] <psychonate> which is rather essential in xfce
[04:49] <Computer__Guru> nalioth: it's the mplayer-586 source package in universe/multiverse.. isnt it better to build a .deb file whenever possible as opposed to compiling and installing yourself?
[04:49] <nickrud> psychonate, run gconf-editor and unset /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop
[04:49] <abarbaccia> i have my wireless card detected by ubuntu now, but no packets sent or received
[04:49] <abarbaccia> any ideas?
[04:49] <ethics> Wckdkl0wn, yeah its the normal ones..itll be part of glibSOMETHING
[04:50] <wing`> Sponge_, i should use eth0 or ppp0
[04:50] <wing`> ?
[04:50] <wing`> its ADSL but my modem is router
[04:50] <nalioth> Computer__Guru: try this: "sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer<whatever>" and then "sudo apt-get source -b mplayer<whatever>"
[04:50] <Wckdkl0wn> glibc-doc is all it has
[04:50] <ethics> psychonate, why run nautilus in xfce?
[04:50] <funkyHat> wing`, an ethernet router?
[04:50] <reka> psychonate: running nautilus with the --no-desktop option is another alternative iirc
[04:50] <Computer__Guru> well i already built the deps, so ill try the -b
[04:50] <psychonate> ethics, no one knew how to change the default run action for something without using nautilus
[04:50] <wing`> funkyHat, yes
[04:50] <psychonate> or if they did, they didn't tell me
[04:50] <funkyHat> wing`, you should use eth0
[04:50] <ethics> psychonate, ahh i c  kk
[04:51] <wing`> thanks
[04:51] <nalioth> Computer__Guru: i always use this method. i know nothing about debian/rules or whatever
[04:51] <bimberi> Wckdkl0wn: libglib2.0-0 ?
[04:51] <Sponge_> wing': If you have and adsl connection, you gotta use ppp0... and for the lan, eth0.
[04:51] <psychonate> nickrud, I changed the option, but it's still messed. Do I need to run nautilus again?
[04:51] <Computer__Guru> hey there we go :D
[04:51] <funkyHat> Sponge_, he's connected to the modem through the lan
[04:51] <Wckdkl0wn> bimberi, yea thats what i am looking for but all that is in synaptic is glibc-doc
[04:52] <Sponge_> funkyHat: hell, let's see... you're the PPPoE guy? aren't you? :P
[04:52] <Computer__Guru> bbiaf, gotta go to store
[04:52] <psychonate> I would just kill it, but I don't know what to kill.
[04:52] <Computer__Guru> ty nalioth
[04:52] <nalioth> Computer__Guru: you'll have to dpkg -i mplayer<whatever>.deb when the process ends
[04:52] <bimberi> !info libglib2.0-0
[04:52] <psychonate> 'ps -e' doesn't show nautilus as running
[04:52] <ubotu> libglib2.0-0: (The GLib library of C routines), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.6.3-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 428 kB, Installed size: 944 kB
[04:52] <funkyHat> Sponge_, eh?
[04:53] <ethics> Wckdkl0wn, goto the wiki and grab the adding repositories thread or config synaptic to do more than it alread is
[04:53] <nickrud> psychonate, there's a daemon you want to have running gnome-settings-daemon, and also, gconfd.  :P
[04:54] <psychonate> s/nothing/anything
[04:54] <funkyHat> heh, well we have the real time here :P
[04:54] <reka> psychonate: sorry ... did'nt know you were using xfce
[04:54] <psychonate> If I restart X, I'll have to reopen my torrents
[04:54] <psychonate> not to mention my other apps
[04:55] <Sponge_> wing': Sorry, but I really don't know how to help you. I need my magic white paper -- which obviously, I forgot where I placed it!
[04:55] <nalioth> psychonate: "gnu screen" + bittorrentdownloadcurses.py
[04:55] <psychonate> Only one problem with that:
[04:55] <Sponge_> I'm leaving... I'm hungry... but I'll be back...
[04:55] <Sponge_> :P
[04:55] <psychonate> I want to be able to change my UL rates on the fly
[04:55] <psychonate> afaik you can't do that with bittorrentdownloadcurses.py
[04:55] <nalioth> psychonate: iptables
[04:56] <psychonate> I've never used iptables
[04:56] <psychonate> I don't understand why I can't just kill something to fix my damn root window :(
[04:56] <lwr> hi
[04:57] <lwr> i am a fresh man here
[04:57] <psychonate> I guess I have to restart X
[04:57] <psychonate> a;lskjfd;asjkljfdajslkjdfka;jsjfdlkjas
[04:57] <kevin> yahoooooooooo I got gmail to come to my evolution lol
[04:57] <nickrud> hi, lwr have an particular questions about ubuntu?
[04:57] <lwr> yeah
[04:58] <lwr> i am a new user of ubuntu
[04:58] <pbiegaj> hey guys more ndiswrapper questions
[04:58] <pbiegaj> I have the card connected to my access point
[04:58] <Trace> Hello, does anybody know how to use freenx?
[04:58] <pbiegaj> hey guys
[04:59] <pbiegaj> so my wireless card using ndiswrapper
[04:59] <pbiegaj> connects to my access point
[04:59] <pbiegaj> but dhcp doesn't seem to work for my card
[04:59] <pbiegaj> and setting a static ip doesn't seem to work either
[04:59] <pbiegaj> :-(
[04:59] <pbiegaj> so close yet so far
[04:59] <pbiegaj> if anyone can help me out I'd be really greatful
[04:59] <lwr> the ubuntu running in my computer is a little slow. why is that? is my hardware's problem?
[04:59] <fortysixand2> what happens when you try to set a static IP
[04:59] <pbiegaj> I can't ping anything
[04:59] <cw2> lwr: what's your hardware
[04:59] <pbiegaj> even the gateway
[04:59] <nalioth> lwr what is your hardware?
[04:59] <lwr> amd duron 800  128M RAM
[05:00] <pbiegaj> it says network unreachable
[05:00] <fortysixand2> what does "route" tell you pbiegaj?
[05:00] <lwr> sdr ram
[05:00] <cw2> that's kinda slow, especialy the 129 meg
[05:00] <r0bby> you know what i funnt
[05:00] <r0bby> funny*
[05:00] <WebMaven> Hmm. Firefox from the backpots works, but it seems more resource-hungry, and sluggish.
[05:00] <Trace> pbiegaj, you may try to run mii-tool and have a look
[05:00] <pbiegaj> fortysixand2, the route table is identical to my route table with my wired connection
[05:00] <r0bby> i had some broken packages w/ apt
[05:00] <cw2> lwr: add another 128 meg to ti and it will be noticable faster
[05:00] <r0bby> and all of a sudden
[05:00] <psychonate> WTF :(
[05:00] <r0bby> they're gone
[05:00] <psychonate> It still wants to use Totem
[05:00] <pbiegaj> Trace, what is mii-tool?
[05:00] <r0bby> then again it's breezy so
[05:00] <r0bby> *shrug*
[05:00] <Trace> it tests whether your netcard is ok. "sudo mii-tool"
[05:01] <zenlunatic> why on earth would someone use breezy?
[05:01] <psychonate> this is really starting to annoy me
[05:01] <r0bby> curiosity
[05:01] <zenlunatic> psychonate: so
[05:01] <r0bby> it's actually stable
[05:01] <zenlunatic> psychonate: your point?
[05:01] <WebMaven> Has anyone else noticed poorer performance in the Firefox from backports?
[05:01] <fortysixand2> there are 2 default gateways, pbiegaj?
[05:01] <psychonate> I don't have to have a point.
[05:01] <zenlunatic> psychonate: so you are spewing pointlessness?
[05:02] <psychonate> Yes.
[05:02] <r0bby> I use breezy because i wanted to
[05:02] <r0bby> and i wanted the bleeding edge stuff
[05:02] <zenlunatic> i see very considerate of you to waste other peoples time with your pointlessness
[05:02] <psychonate> Is your complaining any more relevant than my comments?
[05:02] <zenlunatic> hm probably not
[05:02] <psychonate> We'll call it even then.
[05:02] <WebMaven> You know, the shortest distance between to pointlessnesses is a digression.
[05:03] <cw2> WebMaven: but isn't a digression pointless too?
[05:03] <pbiegaj> fortysixand2, yeah there are two entries in the route table
[05:03] <psychonate> I don't understand why FF keeps wanting to open WMVs in Totem.
[05:03] <DAC1138> psychonate, thats exactly what i said and it got a little out of hand
[05:03] <WebMaven> cw2: your point?
[05:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just descoverd that linux isen't that bad for gaming
[05:04] <DAC1138> psychonate, the "i dont have to have a point"
[05:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i must say that i'm quite impressed
[05:04] <DAC1138> ChurcH_of_FoamY, its better than windows
[05:04] <cw2> WebMaven: digression :P
[05:04] <fortysixand2> i think you can only have 1 default gateway
[05:04] <wing`> whats the best download manager for linux?
[05:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes
[05:04] <psychonate> DAC1138, well, when I did have a point, it didn't seem to do me much good either.
[05:04] <DAC1138> ChurcH_of_FoamY, like deus ex. it crashes after i install it and play it once.
[05:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes it is
[05:04] <WebMaven> cw2: I win!
[05:04] <reka> recommendations for a lightweight DE that will install itself in the Sessions menu? (asking for a relative newbie)
[05:04] <nickrud> psychonate, try downloading a wmv, then using right click properties->open with
[05:04] <DAC1138> ChurcH_of_FoamY, linux, it works every time, and it allows me to run the game at full resolution with no slowdowns
[05:04] <cw2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: depends on what you call "gaming"
[05:04] <wing`> whats the best download manager for linux??
[05:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> counter strike
[05:05] <nickrud> a hack, but it should work
[05:05] <Fuzzy`> anyone use wepcrack/airsnort
[05:05] <cw2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: with ut99 linux was faster than windows on the same hardware
[05:05] <psychonate> nickrud, I have, and I told it to use this app each time. Then, when I select another WMV, it reverts back to the default behavior.
[05:05] <psychonate> I have no idea why.
[05:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea
[05:05] <Trace> Hello, does anybody know how to use freenx?
[05:05] <WebMaven> Once again, has anyone else noticed poorer performance in the Firefox from backports?
[05:05] <cw2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: ut2k it's about the same
[05:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i think that uto4 runs pritty good
[05:05] <psychonate> I always thought /etc/mailcap was in charge of these things.
[05:05] <DAC1138> ut2004 runs better in windows than linux (for me)
[05:05] <WebMaven> excessive memory footprint, sluggish scrolling behaviour, etc.
[05:05] <cw2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it's all a matter of the gaming company using standards
[05:05] <nalioth> wing`: wait a few minutes tween your same questions, please
[05:05] <admrl_> could anyone help me installing a grub bootsplash if you can pm me
[05:05] <nalioth> wing`: if someone knows, they'll answer
[05:05] <DAC1138> on linux i have to run ut2004 in software render mode
[05:05] <nickrud> psychonate, no longer, gnome has it's own mime type recognition and usage
[05:06] <cw2> DAC1138: nvidia or ati?
[05:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea and porting stuff to linux the lazy bastards >.<
[05:06] <DAC1138> cw2, intel. im on a laptop
[05:06] <psychonate> You're kidding me.
[05:06] <psychonate> GNOME aims to ruin my life.
[05:06] <cw2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: if they use standards it's not that big a deal
[05:06] <psychonate> It's that simple.
[05:06] <cw2> DAC1138: is it accelerated?
[05:06] <psychonate> nickrud, even so, I'm not using GNOME.
[05:06] <DAC1138> cw2, yeah, 100% positive
[05:06] <reka> er, does XFCE add itself to the Sessions menu?
[05:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nope i think that there may be to many "flavors" of linux for them at this time
[05:06] <cw2> DAC1138: btw: my laptop has nvidia... and rocks
[05:06] <psychonate> reka, XFCE4 did for me.
[05:06] <DAC1138> cw2, it crashes on startup, i havent tried figuring out the problem
[05:06] <nickrud> eh, then, it still looks like firefox is looking to the gnome mime associations
[05:07] <nalioth> reka: not sure about xfce, and flux is currently buggered
[05:07] <reka> psychonate: cheers
[05:07] <cw2> DAC1138: well, doens't mean it's excellerate well.  ati drivers suck too
[05:07] <DAC1138> cw2, im not too big of a gamer, which is why i dont really care about graphics
[05:07] <crimsun> nalioth: yes, xfce4 does.
[05:07] <DAC1138> cw2, other than ut2004, the latest game i play is deus ex, way back from 2000
[05:07] <fortran01> ass-kicking xfce rocks!
[05:07] <reka> nalioth: i'm asking for a relative newbie ... so the less config, the better
[05:07] <psychonate> nickrud, I just changed that in nautilus before it messed up my root window :(
[05:07] <WebMaven> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Bah, that's like saying there are too many flavors of vanilla ice-cream.
[05:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> not really
[05:07] <WebMaven> ie, french vanilla, vanilla bean, plain vanilla...
[05:07] <DAC1138> WebMaven, tell me about it. too many vanilla brands/flavors, lol
[05:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> if theres to many of one type of os with diffrent ways of working
[05:07] <Razor-X> DAC1138: i've plyed UT2k3
[05:08] <Razor-X> it's nice, but, I prefer UT meself
[05:08] <Razor-X> s/3/4/
[05:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that poses a problem with the developers trying to port there stuff
[05:08] <DAC1138> i havent even played ut2004 in a long time, ive thought about selling it
[05:08] <Razor-X> I'm gonna learn Ruby SDL ;)
[05:08] <DAC1138> ill need to reinstall and play it again
[05:08] <psychonate> GNOME is the collective effort of all that is evil in the universe :(
[05:08] <WebMaven> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you need to define 'different ways of working'. Very little is *actually* different.
[05:08] <nickrud> psychonate, I used to use a package, mozplugger, which have better control over mime associations; maybe you can adapt that for xfce & firefox
[05:09] <IIIEars> Razor-X - need a hint no sound in UT99 and after connecting download of maps mods stalls
[05:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> well you think they know that
[05:09] <nickrud> s/have/has/
[05:09] <Burgundavia> psychonate, you have nothing positive to say, please find somewhere else to say it
[05:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hell i still think that gentoo is diffrent from ubuntu and red hat
[05:09] <psychonate> Burgundavia, well, I did just answer a question for someone not 2 minutes ago
[05:09] <knowledge_> Can someone explain chmod and ch...uhh....chown
[05:09] <knowledge_> ?
[05:09] <Razor-X> psychonate: hah, true that ;)
[05:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i even think that kde is something diffrent than gonme
[05:09] <Razor-X> knowledge_: mind if I PM you?
[05:09] <IIIEars> gentoo is the reason bayer sells aspirin
[05:10] <Razor-X> with the info, I mean
[05:10] <regeya_> whoo!
[05:10] <knowledge_> Razor-X, sure
[05:10] <Razor-X> IIIEars: I never needed aspirin
[05:10] <Razor-X> ;)
[05:10] <regeya_> is kde different than gnome?
[05:10] <regeya_> zounds.
[05:10] <Razor-X> just some heavy Motrin
[05:10] <WebMaven> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Well, if Firefox can run on them all, and it is a non-profit application, a game should be able to as well.
[05:10] <knowledge_> regeya, yes
[05:10] <fortran01> Mac is different from Ubuntu
[05:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> WebMaven i agree so why don't they then?
[05:10] <IIIEars> Razor-X - Ubuntu is much nicer. - you are here aren't you?
[05:10] <regeya_> I didn't have headaches with gentoo that were any worse than with a fussy ubuntu problem.  it usually took a bit longer to fix the problem on gentoo, though. ;-)
[05:10] <regeya_> knowledge_, say it ain't so!
[05:11] <regeya_> kde is my favorite window manager!
[05:11] <fortran01> xfce is my favorite window manager!
[05:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i like gnome cause it's simpler
[05:11] <WebMaven> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what they are really saying is; We want to release one binary that we can charge per copy, and not have to ever recompile for a diferent distro.
[05:11] <fortran01> i like xfce because it is simpler
[05:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i'm not shure what a window manager is so i'll pass on that judgement
[05:12] <Razor-X> IIIEars: i'm warping in-and-out
[05:12] <Razor-X> i've never really found a GUI simpler, per-say
[05:12] <psychonate> nickrud, well, I'm going to try this mozplugger quick, but I'm not sure if it works for FF. Either way, thanks for the attempt :)
[05:12] <Razor-X> I tend to visualize things better in writing, actually, so, *shrugs*
[05:12] <IIIEars> Razor-X - will chmoding the ut system folder fix the map/mod download stall?
[05:12] <nickrud> psychonate, :)
[05:13] <Razor-X> IIIEars: no harm in it
[05:13] <Razor-X> chmod 771 away
[05:13] <DAC1138> darn wine crashed while trying to get deus ex working, how convenient
[05:13] <WebMaven> Well, there are ways of doing that, by releasing the framework as OS so that others can recompile for you, and keeping the game-data proprietary. But few companies have been wiling to go that route.
[05:13] <Razor-X> I don't play UT on this box, haven't in a while
[05:13] <regeya_> wheee
[05:13] <IIIEars> Razor-X - cool - i'll give it a try.
[05:13] <IIIEars> There is a FarCry installer out now. - Wo-ot!
[05:14] <Computer__Guru> what's farcry again? it sounds familiar
[05:14] <chillywilly> game
[05:14] <psychonate> FPS
[05:14] <cw2> IIIEars: what download stall?
[05:14] <IIIEars> First Person Sotter with amazing graphics
[05:14] <WebMaven> ChurcH_of_FoamY: there are other ways as well, such as creating a free gaming specific distro that users can dual-boot into.
[05:14] <psychonate> well, I don't see mozplugger in FF anywhere. Oh well
[05:15] <IIIEars> cw2 - UT99 - chmodding the ut system folder just may fix it. - 777 rw by all?
[05:15] <cw2> ut99 hasnt worked at all for me in I started using a 2.6.x kernel
[05:15] <WebMaven> ChurcH_of_FoamY: none of this will happen until users insist on it though, one way or another (such as not buying games that require windows).
[05:16] <WebMaven> ChurcH_of_FoamY: shrug. I can't make myself care much though.
[05:16] <cw2> WebMaven: I'm in, I won't buy a game for myself that won't run on linux
[05:16] <IIIEars> WebMaven - I have to agree. UT2K4 includes one. - certainly give them a hearty thumbs up
[05:17] <cw2> ut2k4 runs 64-bit too
[05:17] <cw2> and it's noticably smoother than the 32-bit one
[05:17] <cw2> quite nice
[05:17] <fuoco> cw2, smoother on a 64bit OS ?
[05:18] <cw2> fuoco: yup
[05:18] <IIIEars> Several games include a boot sector app (StarRom?) before they load. - really wrong to treat all of your customers as potential thieves
[05:18] <fuoco> cw2, which ?
[05:18] <cw2> fuoco: ubuntu of course
[05:18] <WebMaven> OK, I guess no-one is seeing the same Firefox performance problems I am.
[05:18] <fuoco> ah :)
[05:19] <reka> WebMaven: what about that ipv6 fix i saw somewhere?
[05:19] <cw2> fuoco: I don't know if they've released a win64 binary yet
[05:19] <Czar> I've been googling for answers..but cant seem to find any one firm answer. Is it possible (and if so..how hard for a linux noob) to use a linksys WUSB11 v2.4 usb network adapter with the latest version of ubuntu?
[05:19] <IIIEars> FarCry added new content for 64 bit. (faster processor = more physics)
[05:19] <WebMaven> IIIEars: Wrong, and stupid. Anyone old enough to remember copy-protection on floppy-based games?
[05:19] <cw2> WebMaven: me!
[05:19] <regeya_> WebMaven: aye
[05:19] <cw2> WebMaven: too easily defeated
[05:20] <regeya_> WebMaven: I remember attempts at physical copy protection on floppies, when floppies were floppy.
[05:20] <psychonate> WebMaven, what problems are you having?
[05:20] <WebMaven> reka: I don't know. Is that what I'm seeing?
[05:20] <psychonate> FF crashes often for me.
[05:20] <IIIEars> WebMaven - yep - that was a pain. - you could really foul up your system with a poorly designed protection scheme
[05:20] <kevin> where is the source.list? /etx/???
[05:20] <WebMaven> psychonate: excessive memory footprint, sluggish scrolling behaviour, etc.
[05:20] <cw2> ff is fine for me, running the 32bit on on amd64 anyway
[05:20] <goodman> is there any reason an amd64 computer would have less packages available in apt than an x86 (with the same sources.list)?
[05:20] <psychonate> ah, don't know about that
[05:20] <calc> goodman: some things aren't 64bit clean (not much though)
[05:20] <cw2> goodman: yes, there are still things that won't compile for amd64
[05:20] <WebMaven> regeya: No I mean software copy protection.
[05:21] <reka> WebMaven: iirc, type about:config in the url bar
[05:21] <reka> WebMaven: then, set network.dns.disableIPv6 to true
[05:21] <goodman> calc and cw2: but there are a lot of things, like flashplayer-mozilla
[05:21] <goodman> calc and cw2: if either of you have amd64 can you install that?
[05:21] <cw2> goodman: macromedia as not ported flash to 64bit yet
[05:21] <calc> goodman: well binary only crap won't be on 64bit yea
[05:21] <drcode> hi all
[05:21] <cw2> goodman: so you have to the 32-bit chroot game
[05:22] <IIIEars> interesting that the new Unreal Tournament 200X was developed on linux. ;)
[05:22] <kevin> where is the source.list? /etc/???
[05:22] <cw2> kevin: tec/apt/
[05:22] <calc> /etc/apt/
[05:22] <kevin> ty
[05:22] <pbiegaj_> hey guys still having a problem with ndiswrapper and my wireless card
[05:22] <drcode> I am looking for video confrance server for linux , that can work like class room on internet
[05:22] <goodman> cw2: ummm is there a guide to do that/can you explain?
[05:22] <pbiegaj_> where it comes up but I can't get it to talk to my gateway
[05:22] <WebMaven> reka: done.
[05:22] <pbiegaj_> and get outside of my network
[05:22] <Fuzzy`> i am looking for help with installing airsnort, can anyone help me?
[05:23] <reka> WebMaven: any improvement?
[05:23] <cw2> pbiegaj_: try using wifiradar to bring up the connection
[05:23] <WebMaven> we'll see...
[05:23] <pbiegaj_> cw2, k
[05:23] <WebMaven> I'll let you know...
[05:23] <cw2> goodman: um, somewhere on the website
[05:23] <lwr> when i browse some websites with ff, the browser automatic shutdown,what's the matter?
[05:23] <goodman> cw2: found it, thanks
[05:23] <Czar> anyone with information on using linksys wusb11 v2.4 usb network adapter with ubuntu?
[05:23] <nickrud> psychonate, do you want to drop me the link that totem opens on? I'm in the process of bringing ubuntu uptodate, and usually want my video to open in mplayer
[05:24] <cw2> Czar: can't you just try it?
[05:24] <Czar> cw2, i do. no detection.
[05:24] <pbiegaj_> cw2, what exactly do you wnat me to look for?
[05:24] <interp> Does anyone know of a good wireless keyboard/mouse that works with Ubuntu out of the box?
[05:24] <lwr> is ubuntu fit for daily use?
[05:24] <nickrud> psychonate, and, you should see mozplugger in about:plugins
[05:24] <Burgundavia> lwr, yes
[05:24] <Czar> lwr, definately.
[05:24] <nalioth> lwr: yes it is
[05:24] <cw2> Czar: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=1079
[05:25] <nickrud> daily, here
[05:25] <regeya_> it makes me old to realize that 18-year-olds were born ca. 1987.
[05:25] <pbiegaj_> cw2, I don't know what you'd like me to tell you about the wireless network
[05:25] <regeya_> whoops, wrong channel
[05:25] <pbiegaj_> the problem is that I'm in my network
[05:25] <pbiegaj_> and even when I mimic my wired settings, i.e. route table, etc
[05:25] <Czar> cw2, thank you!
[05:25] <drcode> is there any help on stream video in firefox ?
[05:25] <pbiegaj_> I still can't get out of the network out in the internet
[05:26] <cw2> Czar: google owns you
[05:26] <drcode> like wmv,real player,avi and so?
[05:26] <reka> regeya: meant for #geriatrics? ;)
[05:26] <cw2> drcode: install mplayer-mozilla (i think that's the name)
[05:26] <WebMaven> reka: Yes, seems much better.
[05:26] <reka> WebMaven: good to hear.
[05:26] <Czar> cw2, what search string did you use so i can perfect my googling technique.
[05:26] <nickrud> drcode, I generally use mozilla-mplayer (cw2:)
[05:27] <cw2> Czar: wusb11 v2.4 linux
[05:27] <cw2> Czar: "model" "version" "linux"
[05:27] <Czar> cw2, thanks
[05:27] <lwr> but when i listen to music,watch movie,or do some office work, ubuntu appear not so good.there's always some question to finish my job
[05:28] <Antinomy> can anyone help me with an install issue?
[05:28] <cw2> lwr: can you be more specific?
[05:28] <jasmuz> lwr: what is kyou daily use?
[05:28] <cw2> Antinomy: depends on the issue
[05:28] <jasmuz> Antinomy: what is your issue?
[05:28] <Antinomy> ok
[05:28] <Antinomy> here it is
[05:28] <inc595> whats up channel
[05:29] <drcode> any idea:
[05:29] <drcode> Package mplayer-386 is not available, but is referred to by another
[05:29] <Antinomy> I've just partitioned everything - now I'm at set up users and passwords
[05:29] <NoHope> hi all
[05:29] <nickrud> questions of whether ubuntu is ready for prime time, and how to get the perfect player while browsing
[05:29] <cw2> drcode: add the universe and multiverse repositories
[05:29] <crimsun> drcode: do you have multiverse enabled?
[05:29] <goodman> are there any other commonly used things besides flashplayer that aren't 64 bit yet?
[05:29] <Antinomy> I enter the full name, the user name, the password twice, and it returns me to the original screen
[05:29] <NoHope> hey, have someone tried to install PHP 5?
[05:29] <wm_eddie> Damn the kernel takes too long to compile on this thing ><
[05:29] <drcode> what is multiv?
[05:30] <crimsun> !tell drcode about components
[05:30] <cw2> drcode: it's in the repository selection
[05:30] <inc595> anyone have a decent tapebackup cron script?
[05:30] <cw2> goodman: win32 codecs
[05:30] <drcode> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main universe
[05:30] <drcode> thats what I have
[05:30] <jasmuz> Antinomy: are you hitting <enter> when done?
[05:30] <Antinomy> yes
[05:31] <nickrud> !repositories
[05:31] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:31] <Antinomy> jasmuz: yes
[05:31] <cw2> drcode: it's not in security, its in archive
[05:31] <jasmuz> odd
[05:31] <goodman> cw2: ech that's annoying
[05:31] <Antinomy> jasmuz: it's a dual boot
[05:31] <nickrud> drcode, that's all yu have in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[05:31] <lwr> do i need to install drivers after ubuntu's installtion's over?
[05:31] <jasmuz> Antinomy: after you set up the user, the install should continue working
[05:31] <zerboxx> Why is it that sound in linux is so confusing?
[05:31] <cw2> goodman: 32-bit chroot fixes that, and a 64-bit fix is on the way
[05:32] <cw2> goodman: 64-bit is for the "willing to hack to get the best" crowd
[05:32] <drcode> I change it deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main universe
[05:32] <Antinomy> jasmuz: yes....anyone have any ideas?
[05:32] <cw2> goodman: it's real close to mainstream though
[05:32] <inc595> anyone have a good script to run in cron for tape backup?
[05:32] <cw2> drcode: use synaptic and point-click-drool
[05:32] <nickrud> drcode, could you post your /etc/apt/sources.list file on  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl |
[05:33] <kritty> How in the heck do you get the sound to stick.  My card is an Audigy2 and works great but I have to use alsamixer every time I boot.  I've tried the forums and the how to's but it won't take. My husband is not here and I am new to linux.  Please help if you can.
[05:33] <lwr> do i need to install drivers after ubuntu's installtion's over?
[05:33] <cw2> drcode: you are on the road to fucking up your sources list, it's not something to just toss keywords around in
[05:33] <nickrud> drcode, ditto cw2
[05:33] <kritty> ditto
[05:34] <cw2> lwr: drivers for what
[05:34] <drcode> I did
[05:34] <drcode> nick
[05:34] <lwr> like mainboard, audio
[05:34] <cw2> lwr: usualy not
[05:34] <nickrud> drcode, give us the link here, so we can take a look
[05:35] <crimsun> kritty: paste amixer output to pastebin
[05:35] <cw2> lwr: there's extra config for accelerate nvidia and ati cards but that's about it
[05:35] <Antinomy> Why can't I enter a user name and password?
[05:35] <cw2> lwr: unless you've got some realy obscure hardware
[05:35] <drcode> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/711
[05:35] <lwr> CW2 you are so good, are you a linux expert?
[05:36] <cw2> drcode: use synaptic to edit the repositories, it's supoer easy
[05:36] <kritty> http://pastebin.com/310441
[05:36] <drcode> k
[05:36] <nickrud> gack, first thing, comment out the debian repository, and do sudo apt-get update
[05:36] <cw2> lwr: I've been using linux on the desktop for almost 5 years... and I'm still learning
[05:36] <jasoncohen> lol, i really wonder about backports sometimes
[05:37] <kritty> and thanks
[05:37] <nalioth> jasoncohen: thats why we advise "not for regular use"
[05:37] <drcode> k
[05:37] <jasoncohen> they added firefox 1.0.6 but they screwed up the packages.gz file so it doesn't list firefox 1.0.6 but it does list other 1.0.6 packages like firefox-gnome-support
[05:37] <jasoncohen> so basically, the debs are sitting in staging but apt-get thinks they're not there...idiots
[05:37] <kritty> this is waht I have right now before touching anything
[05:37] <nalioth> jasoncohen: yes, we are at the end of the chain re ff
[05:38] <nickrud> drcode, actually save that file as /etc/apt/sources.mine , and use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38 instead
[05:38] <jasoncohen> nalioth, i just downloaded 1.0.6 and installed it myself. it works great and it took 15 seconds to install
[05:38] <jasoncohen> backports seem to screw up every package with the wrong dependencies
[05:38] <jasoncohen> and when they fix it they break something else
[05:38] <ghpolo> someone experiencied with usb mass storage can help me please ?
[05:38] <nickrud> drcode, it's a tried and tested source.list file, known to cause the least problems :)
[05:39] <ethics> ghpolo, shoot
[05:39] <IIIEars> !usb
[05:39] <ubotu> IIIEars: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[05:39] <cw2> ghpolo: plug it in, run dmesg to see what sd? it gets, then mount it
[05:39] <ghpolo> well
[05:39] <jasoncohen> at this point i think mozilla builds are the best way to go for firefox
[05:39] <ghpolo> not this problem ;p
[05:39] <ghpolo> i got a sata hd and a corsair pen drive
[05:39] <cw2> heh
[05:39] <lwr> cws2is it disturbing you that a lot of windows files cannot compatilt with linux?
[05:39] <lwr> is it disturbing you that a lot of windows files cannot compatilt with linux?
[05:39] <ghpolo> i did a bootstrap for pen drive
[05:39] <cw2> ghpolo: pen should be sdb
[05:39] <ghpolo> then i installed grub and all
[05:40] <ghpolo> it boots but there is a problem
[05:40] <cw2> ah, i'm not going there :)
[05:40] <bahblahblahbah> could someone help me?
[05:40] <nickrud> drcode, if you need help replacing it, msg me
[05:40] <ghpolo> cw2: yes, that is the problem
[05:40] <ghpolo> i boot it
[05:40] <bahblahblahbah> help plz?
[05:40] <ghpolo> it is initially hd0,0
[05:40] <La_PaRCa> hey guys
[05:40] <ghpolo> then when it loads kernel, it isnt anymore
[05:40] <ghpolo> cause it detected my sata hd then
[05:40] <cw2> ghpolo: so, edit the config so it says sda
[05:40] <ghpolo> yes, then it loads my sata hd partition
[05:40] <bahblahblahbah> help? plz................
[05:40] <ghpolo> if i let sdb, it doesnt load my pen drive
[05:41] <ethics> ghpolo, hmm i think i get it...
[05:41] <kritty> crimsun http://pastebin.com/310441
[05:41] <nickrud> bahblahblahbah, did you ask a question?
[05:41] <ghpolo> pretty anoying
[05:41] <ghpolo> wasted a lot of time today trying to get over it
[05:41] <ghpolo> tried syslinux, fat partition, etc
[05:41] <cw2> ghpolo: interesting problem, tried using grub to remap the bios addresses of the disks?
[05:41] <lwr> is it disturbing you that a lot of windows files cannot operate  in linux?
[05:41] <nickrud> lwr, not really
[05:41] <crimsun> kritty: there doesn't seem to be anything at that paste
[05:41] <bahblahblahbah> it seems that i messed up my windows mbr or whatever
[05:41] <ghpolo> hmm cw2, i think i didnt understand the solution
[05:41] <cw2> ghpolo: I think it's the "map" command, been a while since I did it
[05:41] <bahblahblahbah> and now i can't do anything on ubuntu
[05:41] <NoHope> lwr, no. we have a lot of better formats.
[05:41] <bahblahblahbah> i just installed it today
[05:41] <ghpolo> cw2: yes, i used to do it to load windows partition
[05:42] <IIIEars> krityy -pastebin is empty?
[05:42] <ghpolo> cw2: but seems a bit different here
[05:42] <lwr> but that's the biggest problem in front of me
[05:42] <ghpolo> cw2: it boots the pen drive, then it is hd0,0
[05:42] <regeya_> weeeeeeeee
[05:42] <ghpolo> cw2: how can i tell now it is hd1,0 ?
[05:42] <kritty> http://pastebin.com/318258 I just tried it and it works
[05:42] <ghpolo> cw2: and then make it able to access my pen drive correctly passed by the root parameter
[05:43] <NoHope> people, [apt-get install apache]  don't installs it... what can I do?
[05:43] <IIIEars> ah there it is
[05:43] <cw2> ghpolo: I'd still try map, can't make it worse
[05:43] <nickrud> bahblahblahbah, you mean, you installed ubuntu, then after that, reinstalled windows?
[05:43] <ghpolo> cw2: of course it couldnt, heh
[05:43] <crimsun> kritty: you passed me the wrong url
[05:43] <ghpolo> cw2: but you would map what to what ?
[05:43] <kritty> sorry
[05:43] <cw2> ghpolo: 80 to 81, 81 to 80
[05:43] <kritty> http://pastebin.com/310441
[05:43] <ghpolo> cw2: exactly like windows ?
[05:43] <bahblahblahbah> nickrud: when i resized my two existing partitions to make a third one windows got messed up
[05:43] <ghpolo> cw2: hmmm
[05:43] <cw2> ghpolo: first detected drive always gets 80, no matter what it is
[05:43] <bahblahblahbah> third partition for Ubuntu
[05:44] <ghpolo> cw2: right
[05:44] <ghpolo> cw2: well, im gonna try
[05:44] <ghpolo> cw2: since i ran out of ideas.. and i didnt think about this
[05:44] <bahblahblahbah> and now I can't seem to do anything on Linux because i'm a noob
[05:44] <nickrud> bahblahblahbah, ah, I was swinging at low fruit :)
[05:44] <bahblahblahbah> ...what's that mean?
[05:44] <bahblahblahbah> i can't use sudo
[05:44] <crimsun> kritty: what exactly is the problem?
[05:44] <regeya_> bahblahblahbah, I don't know what to tell you for now, but in the future, write down pertinent info about the partition table, and make full backups before attempting anything.
[05:44] <cw2> bahblahblahbah: wait, you can boot?
[05:44] <regeya_> whee.
[05:45] <kritty> crimsun still?
[05:45] <crimsun> kritty: can't hear any sound?
[05:45] <nickrud> bahblahblahbah, you can boot ubuntu, but not use sudo?
[05:45] <bahblahblahbah> something about cannot lookup hostbyname.
[05:45] <regeya_> huh.
[05:45] <bahblahblahbah> and I cannot edit gdm.conf
[05:45] <bahblahblahbah> because "i'm not owner"
[05:45] <cw2> bahblahblahbah: you didn't set a hostname during install?
[05:45] <bahblahblahbah> yes it was simply "PC"
[05:45] <kritty> I can get the sound to work but every reboot I have to go into alsamixer and reset the controls
[05:45] <cw2> or you setup to dhcp and aren't getting an address?
[05:45] <SDFH_Linux> does a usb ethernet card work on ubuntu
[05:45] <bahblahblahbah> I'm not getting an address
[05:46] <crimsun> kritty: by unmuting the analog/digital output jack?
[05:46] <bahblahblahbah> I don't have networking
[05:46] <cw2> SDFH_Linux: if the card is supported, yes
[05:46] <bahblahblahbah> only dial-up
[05:46] <SDFH_Linux> D-Link DWL-G132  ?
[05:46] <regeya_> that shouldn't be a problem bahblahblahbah
[05:46] <nickrud> ah, networking, I get to bow out
[05:46] <regeya_> and bahblahblahbah could you nickname be any more annoying! *wink*
[05:46] <crimsun> SDFH_Linux: usb ethernet works fine
[05:46] <kritty> yes
[05:46] <bahblahblahbah> ...wait...it says something at login about not being able to find an internet address
[05:46] <bahblahblahbah> and that ubuntu might not function properly
[05:46] <bahblahblahbah> ...
[05:46] <SDFH_Linux> crimsun where do i check if that dlink works
[05:46] <cw2> bahblahblahbah: run /usr/sbin/ifconig, does it show a "lo" device?
[05:46] <crimsun> kritty: what if you force save it?
[05:47] <bahblahblahbah> how?
[05:47] <bahblahblahbah> ...-.-
[05:47] <SDFH_Linux> how i setup a usb ethernet?
[05:47] <bahblahblahbah> i feel so stupid...
[05:47] <crimsun> kritty: unmute it, then sudo alsactl store
[05:47] <regeya_> mmmmm loopback
[05:47] <kritty> k 1 sec
[05:47] <cw2> oh wait, it's 600 in this
[05:47] <regeya_> dammit when I come home to my ubuntu box I miss quicksilver. :-P
[05:47] <cw2> SDFH_Linux: plug it in and check dmesg for the device it gets
[05:47] <nickrud> bahblahblahbah, I'd look at /etc/hosts, it should have a line similar to <IP_ADDRESS> localhost.localdomain localhost hector , where hector is your machine name
[05:48] <SDFH_Linux> then?
[05:48] <nickrud> bahblahblahbah, PC (?)
[05:48] <cw2> SDFH_Linux: then it's just a network device, set it up
[05:48] <IIIEars> crimsun - lin# 97-98 in kritty's config file?
[05:48] <SDFH_Linux> well it be wlan0?
[05:48] <SDFH_Linux> will*
[05:48] <cw2> SDFH_Linux: if it's wireless it might be
[05:49] <SDFH_Linux> so thats it?
[05:49] <SDFH_Linux> plug it in dmesg and set it up
[05:49] <cw2> if it's supported, yeah, that's it
[05:49] <NoHope> #j /apache
[05:49] <cw2> NoHope: close
[05:49] <bahblahblahbah> nickrud PC is my machine name
[05:49] <kritty> IIIEars that is for surround
[05:49] <SDFH_Linux> cw2 where is a list to see if that particular dlink is?
[05:49] <cw2> SDFH_Linux: google
[05:49] <bahblahblahbah> i'm not very imaginative...can you tell? :X
[05:49] <NoHope> bahblahblahbah, cw2 , I just made a mistake.
[05:50] <kritty> brb ... rebooting to see if that worked
[05:50] <cw2> NoHope: i know :)
[05:50] <IIIEars> kritty - ah thanks - just hoping to learn something.
[05:50] <kritty> IIIEars np
[05:50] <nickrud> bahblahblahbah, I use names from the illiad, cuz I have no imagination either :)
[05:51] <bahblahblahbah> i have no /etc/hosts
[05:51] <cw2> i use a description of what it is, mu file server is called... ready for this? ... filesrv
[05:51] <cw2> bahblahblahbah: that's a problem
[05:51] <regeya_> my machine is named 'leto'
[05:51] <bahblahblahbah> how do i fix cw2?
[05:51] <bahblahblahbah> :X
[05:51] <nickrud> bahblahblahbah, then you have troubles
[05:51] <bahblahblahbah> what to do?!
[05:51] <regeya_> I was using lovecraftian names but cuthulhu is a bit awkward
[05:51] <cw2> bahblahblahbah: boot off the cd in rescue mode (ubunutu has rescue right?)
[05:52] <SDFH_Linux> cw2 where is a list to see if that particular dlink is supported?
[05:52] <bahblahblahbah> err dunno
[05:52] <nickrud> regeya, finding short ones in the iliad can be trying :)
[05:52] <Computer__Guru> yay my mplayer is now codec-1337
[05:52] <cw2> SDFH_Linux: google "modle number" "linux"
[05:52] <bahblahblahbah> :X:X:X tell me what to do!
[05:52] <bahblahblahbah> -.-
[05:52] <bahblahblahbah> *sigh* this is frustrating
[05:52] <regeya_> www
[05:52] <cw2> bahblahblahbah: boot off the cd and the boot prompt type "rescue"
[05:53] <bahblahblahbah> and i'm running back and forth two rooms between two computers...-.-
[05:53] <bahblahblahbah> cw2: thx
[05:53] <cw2> bahblahblahbah: i don't know that it has that option
[05:53] <cw2> bahblahblahbah: but once you get into the installer theres and option to get a console, mount your disk and fix the file
[05:54] <bahblahblahbah> is there an Windows theme on ubuntu?
[05:54] <kritty> crimsun it didn't work.... alsamixer was at defaults and the gnome volume controls was allthe way down
[05:54] <Antinomy> all
[05:55] <wm_eddie> bahblahblahbah: Many.
[05:55] <wm_eddie> bahblahblahbah: checkout art.gnome.org
[05:55] <knowledge_> where can I read about making a .deb from a tar.gz?
[05:55] <Antinomy> I am installing a dual boot, and I have a screen I'm not sure how to answer. it is "kernel to install:" and the choices are linux-386, linux-image-386, and linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[05:56] <nickrud> bahblahblahbah, you can use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/713 as a replacement for /etc/hosts
[05:56] <nickrud> bahblahblahbah, replace hector with whatever     uname -n     returns in a terminal
[05:56] <kritty> it is like the sound works when I manualy enable it but not if I reboot.  When I reboot It goes back to defaultd
[05:57] <nickrud> bahblahblahbah, that will probably fix some of the problems
[05:57] <Computer__Guru> mplayer -version:
[05:57] <Computer__Guru> MPlayer 1.0pre6-3.3.5 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer Team
[05:57] <Computer__Guru> CPU: Intel Pentium 4/Xeon Willamette (Family: 8, Stepping: 2)
[05:57] <Computer__Guru> Detected cache-line size is 64 bytes
[05:57] <Computer__Guru> MMX2 supported but disabled
[05:57] <Computer__Guru> SSE2 supported but disabled
[05:57] <bahblahblahbah> i think i'll just reinstall
[05:57] <Computer__Guru> CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 0 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0
[05:57] <crimsun> kritty: default Hoary?
[05:57] <Computer__Guru> Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX SSE
[05:57] <Computer__Guru> Unknown option on the command line: version
[05:57] <Computer__Guru> err
[05:57] <kritty> yes..
[05:57] <Computer__Guru> shorry
[05:57] <bahblahblahbah> nickrud: on my first boot after install it took like 1hr 30 mins to load
[05:57] <crimsun> kritty: you may need to upgrade alsa versions
[05:57] <bahblahblahbah> ...is that normal?
[05:57] <Antinomy> I am installing a dual boot, and I have a screen I'm not sure how to answer. it is "kernel to install:" and the choices are linux-386, linux-image-386, and linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[05:57] <crimsun> !tell kritty about alsa-source
[05:57] <gigaclon> bahblahblahbah, no
[05:57] <kritty> K...... where should I go
[05:57] <nickrud> bahblahblahbah, no, and, I'm not good with installs
[05:57] <crimsun> just told you.
[05:57] <bahblahblahbah> ...-.-
[05:58] <kritty> that crimsun
[05:58] <kritty> tahnks
[05:58] <kritty> thanks
[05:58] <bahblahblahbah> it was selecting deselected objects or something.....
[05:58] <bimberi> bahblahblahbah: if it was selecting and unpacking packages - yes
[05:58] <bahblahblahbah> phew =)
[05:58] <fuoco> what filesystem is best to use with ubuntu ?
[05:58] <gigaclon> ext3
[05:58] <bahblahblahbah> ...darn
[05:59] <Antinomy> I am installing a dual boot, and I have a screen I'm not sure how to answer. it is "kernel to install:" and the choices are linux-386, linux-image-386, and linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[05:59] <fuoco> gigaclon, not reiserfs ?
[05:59] <bahblahblahbah> lol i did linux-imag-2.6.10-5-386
[05:59] <bahblahblahbah> i did reiserfs
[05:59] <bahblahblahbah> but i don't know anything so...
[05:59] <Antinomy> does it matter?
[05:59] <bahblahblahbah> well some of more secure and faster...i think
[05:59] <IIIEars> Antinomy - I am very new at this. - guessing we need a little info on your hardware. processor
[05:59] <nickrud> Antinomy, get linux-386
[06:00] <Computer__Guru> linux-image-2.6.10-686
[06:00] <Computer__Guru> err
[06:00] <Computer__Guru> linux-image-2.6.10-5-686
[06:00] <bahblahblahbah> he doesn't have that
[06:00] <bahblahblahbah> it's 386
[06:00] <Antinomy> nickrud: I'm in the middle of an install
[06:00] <Computer__Guru> unless youre actually on a 386 system
[06:00] <bahblahblahbah> he has 386 not 686
[06:00] <Computer__Guru> cat /proc/version:
[06:00] <Computer__Guru> Linux version 2.6.10-5-686 (buildd@vernadsky) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)) #1 Fri Jun 24 17:33:34 UTC 2005
[06:00] <nickrud> Antinomy, then, after the install is finished, you can fine tune which kernel you get
[06:00] <Computer__Guru> it can be 686
[06:00] <Computer__Guru> :>
[06:00] <bahblahblahbah> :X
[06:00] <nickrud> but the choices were ........
[06:00] <Antinomy> nickrud: in the meantime, pick?
[06:00] <bahblahblahbah> is there an alternative to API's in linux?
[06:01] <bahblahblahbah> like something like windows api's?
[06:01] <wm_eddie> APIs?
[06:01] <kritty> crimsun do I worry about config with the ISA pnp support? No right
[06:01] <nickrud> Antinomy, the most generic
[06:01] <IIIEars> Antinomy -anything 386 would work
[06:01] <bahblahblahbah> API's are Windows functions for programming...
[06:01] <Antinomy> ok, thanks linux-386 it is
[06:01] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is awesome - precompiled kernels are handy
[06:01] <regeya_> hoboy.
[06:01] <wm_eddie> bahblahblahbah: No API is a generic term.
[06:02] <Antinomy> nickrud: So I can upgrade the kernel later?
[06:02] <nickrud> Antinomy, yes, to your hearts content :)
[06:02] <IIIEars> Antimony - yes
[06:02] <Antinomy> thks
[06:02] <vader> hey there people...how do I configure the the battery display to actually show what's left on my battery?
[06:02] <bahblahblahbah> oh ok wm_eddie
[06:02] <IIIEars> take a look at 686 images for recent hardware
[06:02] <Antinomy> who is being helped in a particularyl charitable way, regeya?
[06:02] <bahblahblahbah> I'm reinstalling and it says Unable to load some modules...
[06:02] <bahblahblahbah> =X
[06:03] <Antinomy> now the install has froze.
[06:03] <bahblahblahbah> ...
[06:03] <wm_eddie> bahblahblahbah: If you want to learn how to make a program on linux check out the PyGTK tutorials
[06:03] <bahblahblahbah> k
[06:04] <bahblahblahbah> i already program on windows.... :)
[06:04] <IIIEars> quick trip to 7-11 - refueling needed - lol
[06:04] <bimberi> vader: Are you using the panel applet?
[06:04] <bahblahblahbah> hdparm thing...what should i use?
[06:04] <bahblahblahbah> or should i leave it blank?
[06:04] <Antinomy> Ok, does anyone have any clue why this install keeps throwing me back to "Enter a full name for the new user:"?
[06:04] <nickrud> Antinomy, well, I can promise that choosing linux-386 was not the cause
[06:04] <vader> the gnome desktop, default install
[06:05] <bahblahblahbah> nickrud what is hdparm?
[06:05] <vader> bimberi: if that is what you meant
[06:05] <IIIEars-away> blahblah, - It is the drive interface config app
[06:06] <bimberi> vader: I was able to add a battery applet to the gnome-panel and configure it to display a % left
[06:06] <Antinomy> Ok, does anyone have any clue why this install keeps throwing me back to "Enter a full name for the new user:"?
[06:06] <bahblahblahbah> what should i put in it? it says it can greatly speed up reading packages
[06:06] <bahblahblahbah> sorry Aninomy...no idea -.-;;;
[06:06] <bahblahblahbah> Antinomy*
[06:06] <vader> okay I cannot for some reason, but I am very week when it comes to anything like this
[06:06] <Antinomy> ok
[06:06] <Antinomy> thanks for answering, at least
[06:07] <bahblahblahbah> anyone know what i should put in hdparm?
[06:07] <bahblahblahbah> to speed up reading of packages?
[06:07] <IIIEars-away> blahblah some config switches HDPARM 	http://www.linuxnetmag.com/en/issue7/m7hdparm1.html
[06:07] <bahblahblahbah> thx :) i thought you were going to 7-11
[06:07] <bahblahblahbah> ?
[06:07] <vader> tha applet is there but reads 0% when unplugged but the laptop is running
[06:07] <SDFH_Linux> do usb wirless ethernet cards use ndiswrapper?
[06:08] <IIIEars-away> lol - shamefully 'net addicted. - rakeish grin
[06:08] <bahblahblahbah> lol - so am i
[06:08] <vader> IIIEars: so am I lol
[06:09] <nickrud> bahblahblahbah, hdparm is not much needed for anything but setting up the cdrom, normally
[06:09] <bimberi> vader: Right-click on a panel, select "Add to Panel...", "Battery Charge Montor"
[06:09] <bimberi> *Monitor
[06:09] <nickrud> bahblahblahbah, sorry, called awa for a sec
[06:10] <ghpolo> cw2: no success ;/
[06:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how do i tell gnome what apps to use for internet radio and such?
[06:10] <Fuzzy`> what does this mean? >> make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[06:11] <nickrud> bahblahblahbah, but, /etc/hdparm.conf is where you set that stuff
[06:11] <vader> it is on the panel but doesn't show the status....just reads 0%
[06:12] <bahblahblahbah> if i set a partition as another file system it formats only that partition right?
[06:14] <vader> bimberi: do you think maybe booting with the power unplugged would do it?
[06:14] <bimberi> vader: I doubt it
[06:14] <vader> ok
[06:15] <Antinomy> I am at the partitioning point, and I cannot get it to finish partitioning and move to the next step.
[06:15] <vader> I am sort of concerned about this as it is a new laptop to me and I don't know the length of time it will go on a charge
[06:15] <Antinomy> anyone want to take a swing?
[06:15] <bahblahblahbah> what does it say?
[06:15] <bahblahblahbah> antinomy what does it say?
[06:15] <Antinomy> bahblahblahbah: me?
[06:15] <Antinomy> ok
[06:15] <bahblahblahbah> something about root?
[06:15] <Antinomy> it lists the 4 partitions
[06:16] <nickrud> Antinomy, try using page down, the correct selection is off the screen, if I remember correctly :)
[06:16] <bimberi> vader: You'll need to have one or more of acpi and apmd installed
[06:16] <regeya_> I'm playing around with openoffice's datasource view.  gah.  the query designer reminds me of access.  too many years since I messed with access.  meh.
[06:16] <Antinomy> I have them set up, I hit "finish partioning" and it just sends me back to the screen
[06:16] <bahblahblahbah> :X dunno
[06:16] <bahblahblahbah> sorry
[06:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> when i look through the backports for mozilla what version am i looking for?
[06:16] <vader> ok do the synaptic for it?
[06:16] <bahblahblahbah> nickrud: if i change the file system of a partition it only formats that partition right?
[06:16] <Antinomy> Does anyone know about this?
[06:17] <nickrud> bahblahblahbah, in what context? but in cfdisk, and the ubuntu install, I will say es
[06:17] <nickrud> *yes
[06:17] <Antinomy> Maybe if someone could review my partitions that might give us a clue - cuz I did not have this trouble on a single drive install
[06:17] <bahblahblahbah> i'm chaning for reifser or whatever to ext3
[06:17] <bahblahblahbah> changing* from*
[06:17] <bimberi> vader: yes
[06:17] <bahblahblahbah> and I'm leaving all the other partitions alone
[06:18] <Antinomy> 1) Primary 7.5 GB fat32 (XP)
[06:18] <vader> bimberi: doing it now
[06:18] <Antinomy> 2) Primary 7.5 GB ext3 (will be ubu)
[06:18] <Antinomy> 3) Primary 510.0 MB swap swap
[06:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> any ideas people?
[06:18] <Antinomy> 4) primary 44.5 GB fat32
[06:19] <La_PaRCa> whats a good mail list app?
[06:19] <La_PaRCa> something to manage a big mailing list
[06:19] <volvoguy> does anyone know of a good mdadm how-to that doesn't involve putting the system disc in the RAID array? the few on the wiki and forums seem overly complicated because of the booting requirement.
[06:20] <ray_> anybody know why my fire fox will not open a download window?
[06:20] <vader> bimberi: with the power unplugged it is still reading 0%
[06:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes cause it's busted
[06:20] <Antinomy> It's amazing to me that windows is easier to install than ubuntu.
[06:20] <vader> with both installed
[06:20] <ray_> why is that amazing?
[06:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> actually i find ubuntu easyer to install then windows
[06:21] <Fuzzy`> me too
[06:21] <volvoguy> Antinomy: it is? i thought ubuntu was both faster and easier.
[06:21] <Antinomy> oh really? then maybe you can help me?
[06:21] <jasmuz> Antinomy: you where the one that selected the expert install...dont come around talking about win here
[06:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok whats up? ^_^
[06:21] <Antinomy> volvoguy: great maybe you can help me
[06:21] <ray_> anybody know why my fire fox will not open a download window?
[06:21] <Fuzzy`> but I get an error that noone understands
[06:21] <vader> ChrucH_of_FoamY: same here
[06:21] <volvoguy> Antinomy: i can try. what kind of problem are you having?
[06:22] <Antinomy> volvoguy: thanks man.
[06:22] <ray_> anybody know why my fire fox will not open a download window?
[06:22] <volvoguy> Antinomy: keep in mind that i'm the artwork guy, not a programmer guy. :)
[06:22] <glick> excuse me, i followed the ubuntuguide.org for installing firefox java support but it didnt work
[06:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ray_ because it's broken right now
[06:22] <Antinomy> volvoguy: I am installing a dual boot. I set up the partitions according to some community advice, and it won't let me go past the partition screen
[06:22] <glick> how can i get jre workin with firefox
[06:22] <bimberi> vader: does acpi -V show anything? (in a terminal window)
[06:22] <ray_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, for you too?
[06:22] <vader> doing it now
[06:23] <Antinomy> volvoguy: Well, you're a lot nicer than some of the programming guys, and at least you offered to help
[06:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ray_ yes
[06:23] <volvoguy> Antinomy: do you get any error messages?
[06:23] <ray_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, well what the fuck
[06:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hey i did too
[06:23] <Antinomy> volvoguy: the sad thing is that I had to say "windows" to get most of their attentions
[06:23] <Antinomy> volvoguy: no, it just repeats the screen
[06:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ray_ use epiphany it's quick and kinda good
[06:23] <vader> bimberi: comes up with the license
[06:23] <volvoguy> Antinomy: heh. that's ok. i dual-boot two systems myself.
[06:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> watch out for popups though
[06:23] <glick> anyone kow how to hookup java?
[06:23] <Antinomy> volvoguy: it wont let me go forward
[06:23] <bimberi> vader: ... and nothing else?
[06:24] <Razor-X> anyone willing to lounge in the offtopic channel?
[06:24] <vader> nope
[06:24] <fishie> this might be a dumb question but can i mount a network drive in linux
[06:24] <volvoguy> Antinomy: so you set things up the way you want and tell it to write the partitions to disc?
[06:24] <Antinomy> volvoguy: that's cool
[06:24] <fishie> thats a fat32
[06:24] <ray_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, if i do a dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-firefox it works for a minute
[06:24] <Razor-X> robotgeek's the only one who's talked there in the last 18 hours
[06:24] <Antinomy> volvoguy: right.
[06:24] <vader> 0.07 sorry
[06:24] <Antinomy> and it just repeats the screen
[06:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ray_ really thats odd let me try
[06:24] <ray_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, yes try
[06:24] <vader> must be the ...noob in me lol
[06:25] <[2] BoxingFiend> glick: did ya install sun-j2rel1.5?
[06:25] <volvoguy> Antinomy: hmm.. let me go find one of those obscene amounts of screenshots sites so i can see where you're at.
[06:25] <gigaclon> whats the difference between sudo and fakeroot?
[06:25] <glick> [2] BoxingFiend, yes i did
[06:25] <bimberi> vader: naah - but it's getting outside my experience now
[06:25] <jasmuz> Antinomy: if you cant find a solution for it just redo the install
[06:25] <vader> ok
[06:25] <Antinomy> jasI already have. twice.
[06:25] <vader> is bob2 still here?
[06:26] <Antinomy> volvoguy: thanks for actually listening - and helping
[06:26] <vader> nope... don't see him lol
[06:26] <[2] BoxingFiend> glick: what do you get when ya type java -version
[06:26] <volvoguy> who does those mass screenshot things? is it o'reilly?
[06:26] <glick> [2] BoxingFiend,
[06:26] <glick> java version "1.5.0_03"
[06:26] <glick> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_03-b07)
[06:26] <glick> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_03-b07, mixed mode, sharing)
[06:26] <jasmuz> Antinomy: what are the specs of the install machine?
[06:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ray_ i did it to mine and it works fine
[06:27] <ray_> the sun-j2re or what ever packege doesnt set up firefox
[06:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that could be because i have backports enabled though
[06:27] <bahblahblahbah> how do you dual-boot?
[06:27] <glick> sorry everyone
[06:27] <Antinomy> jasmuz: AMD 64 60 GB HD
[06:27] <ray_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, give it ten minutes
[06:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[06:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> will doo
[06:27] <vader> bimberi: I will give it a full charge and see what it says
[06:27] <jasmuz> Antinomy: are you installing 32 or 64 Ubuntu?
[06:27] <[2] BoxingFiend> glick: so which part of jre isn't working for you
[06:28] <Antinomy> 32 - was told to by forum moderator
[06:28] <glick> [2] BoxingFiend, when i try to access a java enabled webpage with firefox
[06:28] <ray_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, or quit firefox and try again
[06:28] <Antinomy> jasmuz: 32 - was told to by forum moderator
[06:28] <volvoguy> Antinomy: rereading here it looks like your partitions should be ok.
[06:28] <ray_> you have to creaTe a symbolic link to libjavaplugin_oji.so
[06:28] <Antinomy> volvoguy: thanks
[06:28] <bob2> vader: ?
[06:28] <glick> ray_, where is that lib?
[06:29] <vader> yes sir
[06:29] <Antinomy> volvoguy: then I guess it's back to chairman bill's slopworks
[06:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ray_ trying again
[06:29] <Computer__Guru> there should be a program that screen's X apps
[06:29] <ray_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, did youexit the browser
[06:29] <vader> bob2: do you know how to get my battery status to work?
[06:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes
[06:29] <Antinomy> volvoguy: thanks again man
[06:29] <ray_> glick, if you have java installed you have it
[06:29] <[2] BoxingFiend> glick:  visit www.javatester.org and see if firefox have thinks you have java installed
[06:30] <volvoguy> Antinomy: i'm still lookin' around if you have time to hang out.
[06:30] <Antinomy> volvoguy: totally.
[06:30] <jasmuz> Antinomy: dont quit just yet
[06:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ray_ no shit it broke again hmm that is odd
[06:30] <vader> bob2: acpi -v gives me 0.07 and the license and the no warranty
[06:30] <volvoguy> Antinomy: ok
[06:30] <Antinomy> volvoguy: can I take a stab here?
[06:30] <bob2> vader: you need to be way more specific than that
[06:30] <glick> [2] BoxingFiend, i have to set up the java plugin and put a link to it in the mozilla plugin directory dont I?
[06:30] <bob2> vader: you mean 'acpi -V'
[06:30] <ray_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, yeah its never done that tome before
[06:30] <vader> yes
[06:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i wonder what breaks in there that would cause that to happen
[06:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ray_ same here
[06:30] <volvoguy> Antinomy: sure. shoot.
[06:30] <Antinomy> maybe I should install the XP partition, then do guided on the rest of the free space
[06:30] <mebaran151> is there a firefox backport for amd64
[06:30] <Computer__Guru> i wonder if you could actually use screen to screen X apps
[06:30] <Computer__Guru> hrmm
[06:31] <bahblahblahbah> should I install the remaining packages?
[06:31] <ray_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, i think it has something to do with the update
[06:31] <Antinomy> instead of custom-ing it
[06:31] <[2] BoxingFiend> glick:  nah, the apt script took care of that, after installing java you should just need to restart firefox
[06:31] <glick> i did restart firefox
[06:31] <glick> its not working
[06:31] <bahblahblahbah> should I install the remaining packages?
[06:31] <Kungas> hi
[06:31] <bahblahblahbah> hi Kungas
[06:31] <Antinomy> right? because doesnt ubuntu install handle the swap and all that jazz?
[06:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ray_ same here but what would cause it to work for a few but then break again?
[06:31] <[2] BoxingFiend> glick:  which version of firefox
[06:31] <ray_> no  java doesnt work after the apt script
[06:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> to me that just dosen't make sence
[06:31] <Kungas> i know this may sound stupid but what's the root passwords in ubuntu?
[06:32] <bahblahblahbah> hey IIIEars...back?
[06:32] <bob2> vader: so, paste the output of 'acpi -V' to #flood
[06:32] <bob2> Kungas: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:32] <ray_> it puts a link in the plugins directory but it is the wrong one
[06:32] <volvoguy> Antinomy: does it look like it actually writes the partitions? do you get a status bar for any amount of time?
[06:32] <glick> [2] BoxingFiend, the latest one thats available for ubuntu
[06:32] <bob2> Kungas: also, the installer explained it to you at the end of the install, and it's in the FAQ (in the /topic)
[06:32] <Kungas> bob2: thanks
[06:32] <vader> bob2: url please
[06:32] <bob2> vader: ?
[06:32] <visor_> guys have you noticed that j2re has been erased from the repos?
[06:32] <vader> for paste bin
[06:32] <visor_> i cant seem to install it
[06:32] <ray_> anybody else having problems downloading from firefox?
[06:32] <Antinomy> volvo - the partitions are already written! I'm redoing it.
[06:32] <bob2> vader: the irc channel #flood
[06:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> holy shoot!!! ^_^ for the first time ever my sound works perfectly with ubuntu ^_^
[06:33] <bob2> visor_: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:33] <bahblahblahbah> lol...i never listen to anything
[06:33] <ray_> visor_, yeah i was pissed
[06:33] <bob2> visor_: note that it was never in ubuntu itself
[06:33] <bahblahblahbah> i don't need sound ...XD
[06:33] <Antinomy> volvoguy: but now it wont let me past this screen at all! (it did once before)
[06:33] <Computer__Guru> bob2: follow with me here for a sec. lets say i run screen, and from within screen i launch say gftp, then i detach the screen... gftp still shows up, but the question is: if i log out of kde (thus destroying the gftp windows) and log back in and reattach the screen, will it redraw my application windows?
[06:33] <IIIEars_> Back from 7-11 with dinner. sushi, Doritos and a big gulp. - them is god eats... - lol
[06:33] <bahblahblahbah> lol
[06:33] <nickrud> glick, the short version is, get the sun jre, and, from the directory you downloaded it to:  sudo apt-get install build-essential javapackage  , then fakeroot make-jpkg jre<tab> ; then dpkg -i sun<tab>
[06:33] <bahblahblahbah> not a very healthy dinner IIIEars XD
[06:33] <visor_> bob2: yeah it was on ubuntu backports wasnt it?
[06:33] <bob2> visor_: no idea
[06:33] <volvoguy> Antinomy: ok. when you're on the "partition disks" screen, have you tried either "go back" or "no" to try and get to the main menu (where theoretically you could manually move on to the next step)
[06:33] <bahblahblahbah> they sell sushi at 7-11?!
[06:33] <bahblahblahbah> lol
[06:33] <glick> nickrud, ahhh screw that thats toomuch hassel theres got to be a damn easier way
[06:34] <bob2> Computer__Guru: nope, it will die
[06:34] <Antinomy> let me see
[06:34] <Computer__Guru> bob2: well that just sucks
[06:34] <bob2> Computer__Guru: if you really want to do that sort of thing with X, you need "xmove"
[06:34] <nickrud> glick, yeah, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:34] <Computer__Guru> bob2: i want screen for X apps
[06:34] <bob2> Computer__Guru: dude, you killed it's connection to the X server, what do you expect it to do?
[06:34] <bob2> Computer__Guru: as above
[06:34] <lexhider> is breezy xorg broken or is the problem on my end?
[06:34] <bob2> lexhider: /topic
[06:34] <Antinomy> No - I moved on to the "install base system" and it kicks me back to partition disks. I can't move on. There's something unacceptable about these partitions, is my guess
[06:35] <lexhider> bob2: thanks.
[06:35] <vader> bob2: is it the freenode #flood?
[06:35] <bahblahblahbah> Antinomy...err...is there a /root thingie
[06:35] <IIIEars_> Antinomy - added a swap parttion?
[06:35] <synd> is it me or is epiphany seem quite a bit faster than firefox
[06:35] <Antinomy> bahblahblahbah: yes
[06:35] <synd> or does*
[06:35] <Antinomy> bahblahblahbah: and a swap
[06:35] <bob2> vader: yes
[06:35] <nickrud> glick, that's the jdk, not the jre, the jre is easier, as I said
[06:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> for all you people who want to get a really good sound card get a soundblaster live digital 5.1
[06:36] <bob2> Computer__Guru: tho I do hear xmove was flakey in the past
[06:36] <Antinomy> 1) Primary 7.5 GB fat32 (XP)
[06:36] <Antinomy> 2) Primary 7.5 GB ext3 (will be ubu)
[06:36] <volvoguy> Antinomy: that's weird. you could try booting with a live cd and then use cfdisk to double-check things and fix if necessary.
[06:36] <Antinomy> 3) Primary 510.0 MB swap swap
[06:36] <truz24> nickrud, you displayed info on installing the jdk? Can you repost?
[06:36] <Computer__Guru> blah
[06:36] <glick> nickrud, i just want the fre
[06:36] <Antinomy> 4) primary 44.5 GB fat32
[06:36] <glick> jre
[06:36] <Varanger> what does kernel option pci=biosirq do ?
[06:36] <bob2> Computer__Guru: try it and see, or just use lftp
[06:36] <Antinomy> the last one was formerly /home but now has no mount point, and wont let me add one./
[06:36] <bob2> Varanger: work around broken acpi hardware, I gather
[06:36] <Computer__Guru> i was just using ftp as an example
[06:36] <vader> bob2: do you see it there?
[06:37] <Varanger> bob2: for example...
[06:37] <Computer__Guru> i would really like the ability to screen X apps :D
[06:37] <Varanger> ?
[06:37] <nickrud> truz24, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java , it's a good link based on the poster
[06:37] <bob2> Varanger: for example what?
[06:37] <ray_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, i just downloaded the firefox from the website and it works fine
[06:37] <bob2> Computer__Guru: so, are you not reading what I'm saying, or have you tried xmove already?
[06:37] <wing`> im trying to install Enemy territory, but it says error in md5 checksum. i will have to download it all again?
[06:37] <zerboxx> Anyone here have experience with point2play and cedega?
[06:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ray_ now that is great to know i will do the same
[06:37] <Computer__Guru> im looking at it :)
[06:37] <Antinomy> volvoguy: ok, 2 quesations. Would this happen because I'm using an x86 install disk on a AMD 64?
[06:37] <bob2> vader: this will be a very frustrating conversation if you don't read what I say
[06:37] <truz24> nickrud, thanks
[06:37] <bob2> vader: 'acpi -V' is not what you just ran
[06:37] <Varanger> bob2: what do you mean by brokem acpi ?
[06:38] <volvoguy> Antinomy: no. that shouldn't be a problem.
[06:38] <bob2> Varanger: do you know what ACPI is?
[06:38] <nickrud> truz24, I'm trusting the poster :)
[06:38] <Antinomy> volvoguy: AND, what would happen if I just had a small boot for windows and the rest of the space for ubuntu? And did guided partitioning?
[06:38] <tim_> is there a 'move directory' command?
[06:38] <Antinomy> could my windows side see my linux side?
[06:39] <bob2> tim_: "mv"
[06:39] <Antinomy> tim_: mvdir
[06:39] <vader> bob2: sorry out that
[06:39] <tim> god thats confusing :(
[06:39] <tim> lol
[06:39] <bob2> Antinomy: windows can't natively do anything with linux parttions, aside from formatting them
[06:39] <glick> what do i have to do to get jre working for firefox?
[06:39] <Antinomy> bob2: ok
[06:39] <Computer__Guru> bob2: so once i start an xmove server with the command xmove, how do i get things to run under it?
[06:39] <Varanger> bob2: yes, it's something for power managemente
[06:39] <tim_> mvdir text/ ~/
[06:39] <bob2> mvdir does not exist, afaik
[06:39] <tim_> bash: mvdir: command not found
[06:39] <volvoguy> Antinomy: i was thinking something like that. keep your WinXP where it is, then in windows make the second partition your FAT32 partition and leave the rest of the drive as free space.
[06:39] <tim_> yea
[06:39] <IIIEars_> Antinomy - there is a extfs driver for windows read only
[06:39] <bob2> tim_: it's mv
[06:39] <bahblahblahbah> it says the Debian Package Management Tool, apt, is now configured....
[06:39] <wm_eddie> Antinomy: There are a couple of cmd.exe programs that can read ext3 and the like.
[06:39] <bahblahblahbah> add another apt source?
[06:39] <bahblahblahbah> should I add another apt source?
[06:39] <Antinomy> ok let me try volvo
[06:39] <bob2> tim_: and it's not very confusing, you use mv to move anything on a filesystem
[06:39] <Varanger> bob2: that's why I don't understand why a broken power managemente can corrupt pci
[06:39] <bob2> bahblahblahbah: no
[06:39] <Antinomy> thanks all let me see
[06:40] <bahblahblahbah> bob2: thx
[06:40] <volvoguy> Antinomy: that only works if your FAT partition is empty right now though.
[06:40] <wing`> im trying to install Enemy territory, but it says error in md5 checksum. i will have to download it all again? anyone?
[06:40] <tim_> thanks bob!
[06:40] <bob2> Varanger: it does other things, too, like arrange irq lines
[06:40] <tim> bob2, I'm "tim" not "tim_" I'm just saying its confusing cuz I keep getting highlighted when ur talking to "tim_" lol
[06:40] <bob2> ow
[06:40] <tim_> o man...lol
[06:40] <bahblahblahbah> Install GRUB or LILO?
[06:40] <ray_> glick, talk to me in private
[06:40] <bob2> bahblahblahbah: just use the default, grub
[06:41] <ray_> wing`, yes sorry
[06:41] <bahblahblahbah> bob2: thx again :)
[06:41] <tim_> i need to change my name anyway...bitchx defaults
[06:41] <Computer__Guru> bob2: did you see my question? it's not very helpful by way of instructions.. once i start xmove, how do i get applications to connect to it?
[06:41] <mgcross> having a problem...sudo staus seems to stick around for differant apps...what's up with that?
[06:41] <mgcross> *status
[06:41] <bob2> vader: and what does 'uname -r' say?
[06:41] <wing`> ray_, why is that? i used k4x to download it, maybe is it?
[06:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm i need to find a way to tweak the volume sepratly for 2 diffrent apps
[06:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i can't figure out how to do it
[06:42] <bob2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: not possible, sorry
[06:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> really? why not?
[06:42] <bob2> unless the apps have their own volume control
[06:42] <sri> anybody know what package 'xauth' is in breezy?  it's missing.
[06:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[06:42] <mgcross> that is, I only need to enter sudo pass once and all apps requiring sudo staus will open for a while without prompting for password
[06:42] <bob2> why can't I fly by flapping my arms?
[06:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> beep does but teamspeak dosen't
[06:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and if i turn beeps sound up and down teamspeaks sound also mucks up
[06:43] <IIIEars_> mgcross - Ubuntu caches your password for 15mins
[06:44] <mgcross> IIIEars: how safe is THAT? kinda freaks me out...
[06:45] <bahblahblahbah> well I'm gonna go now
[06:45] <bahblahblahbah> thx for all the help
[06:45] <bahblahblahbah> I'll come back later if it still doesn't work though -.-
[06:45] <mgcross> IIIEars: any way to change that...or must I "go forth and read mans, my son"?
[06:45] <IIIEars_> mgcross - dunno - left it at the default. - shepish grin
[06:46] <robotgeek> hey..i just burnt my first cd in linux!!
[06:46] <HrdwrBoB> woo
[06:46] <mgcross> IIIEars: hehe...no need for sheepishness...do you get paid for this?
[06:46] <billytwowilly> yay...
[06:47] <IIIEars_> robotgeek - nice! - Welcome - not a reason in the world to go back to windows adware/spyware and closed source.
[06:48] <robotgeek> IIIEars_, i know...and u know what the most interesting part is ?? It was done an internal drive in a box casing!
[06:48] <vader> IIIEars: and viruses lest we forget
[06:48] <gigaclon> Wee, java works
[06:48] <wm_eddie> Damn problems.  I understand what jwz switched...
[06:48] <robotgeek> a 65$ external dvd writer for my laptop :)
[06:48] <IIIEars_> trialware/adware a coopted active-x controls. - bah (hugs his Ubuntu box)
[06:49] <robotgeek> Now, i don't want to go to OS X!
[06:49] <vader> IIIEars: true, very true
[06:49] <bob2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: er
[06:49] <bob2> Computer__Guru: er
[06:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes?
[06:50] <volvoguy> well folks, i'm off to figure out raid on my own. wish me luck. :)
[06:50] <bob2> Computer__Guru: so I went and installed it...and found a file called using_xmove.txt.  that doesn't explain it?
[06:50] <visor_> nvu was droped from repos too?
[06:50] <bob2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: sorry, bad tab completion
[06:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[06:50] <bob2> visor_: it's never been in ubuntu, afaik
[06:50] <IIIEars_> nvu is a snap to install
[06:50] <visor_> bob2: well it was on backports
[06:51] <bob2> vader: your kernel is pretty old, perhaps uprading to hoary would give you acpi support
[06:51] <visor_> bob2: it seems many packages have been droped
[06:51] <bob2> vader: or maybe your computer predates acpi
[06:51] <bob2> visor_: from backports?
[06:51] <bob2> nvu would never have been a "backport", by definition
[06:51] <vader> bob2:okay, I guess I need to download that then?
[06:51] <admrl_> could anyone help me installing a grub bootsplash
[06:52] <visor_> bob2: yes, i havent found java, nvu and other
[06:52] <vader> bob2: it is p2 366 with 256 mb ram.....just so you know
[06:52] <glick> admrl_, why waste your time with that? who cares abut boot splashes? once it boots its booted
[06:52] <bob2> vader: then it almost certainly doesn't have acpi
[06:52] <robotgeek> *out*
[06:53] <vader> bob2: ok, so it won't work even with HOARY then?
[06:53] <IIIEars_> visor_ - the ubuntuguide for j2re was tough for me to follow. searched a bit on the ubuntu dev forums and found a j2re.deb file hiddeen there
[06:53] <bob2> vader: you don't have any acpi hardware
[06:53] <mgcross> just a heads up....ripped whole cd's to my drive...no didn't back them up...was having a hard time getting full menu support...ogle does the job just fine...
[06:53] <vader> hmmmm....ok
[06:54] <vader> just trying to get my battery indicatior to work... and now don't know if I can lol
[06:54] <admrl_> glick, i wanna install a splash screen cuz it would b way more fun
[06:54] <seth_k> what's that Xorg program that I can use to adjust my screen, and then it'll spit out a Modeline for me to use? Anyone know?
[06:54] <bob2> so, 'sudo modprobe apm'
[06:55] <glick> admrl_, if you get your kicks from boot spash screens i would seriusly re-evaluate the direction my life is heading in if i were you
[06:55] <admrl_> lol
[06:55] <bob2> come on, people
[06:55] <redtech> wow
[06:55] <thoreauputic> seth_k: xvidtune ?
[06:56] <Nameeater> the grub text spash screen isn't very exciting, it has to be admited
[06:56] <seth_k> thoreauputic, that's it, cheers
[06:56] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:56] <vader> ty bob2....ty ty ty
[06:56] <admrl_> THANK YOU Nameeater!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[06:56] <Nameeater> :)
[06:56] <IIIEars_> Be nice guys "Ubuntu" Hamanity to others remember?
[06:56] <wing`> anyone there can help me running teamspeak?
[06:56] <vader> it is now showing 100%
[06:57] <zerboxx> Why is it that when I try to run a program, nothing is happening, while I was using it a while ago and it was fine?
[06:57] <admrl_> can anyone tell me where i can go to get help
[06:57] <glick> IIIEars_, they say dont kick a man when hes down, I say kick a man when he is down and he will get up faster!
[06:57] <vader> night one and all, it is like an hour past the bed time.....see you all tomorrow
[06:57] <bob2> admrl_: try talking to the bootsplash people
[06:57] <bob2> but it will be a large amount of work, for little gain
[06:57] <thoreauputic> glick: assuming you didn't cripple him, of course ;)
[06:57] <admrl_> whos the bootsplash people
[06:58] <deFrysk> nuthouse ? ;p
[06:58] <admrl_> nice
[06:58] <deFrysk> sorry, just woke up
[06:58] <deFrysk> first coffee and stuff
[06:59] <zerboxx> what is a good menu editor for ubuntu? (using gnome)
[06:59] <admrl_> * Now talking on #bootsplashpeople
[06:59] <admrl_> * kornbluth.freenode.net sets mode +n #bootsplashpeople
[06:59] <Burgundavia> zerboxx, smeg
[06:59] <admrl_> there wasnt anyone there
[06:59] <admrl_> ;)
[06:59] <IIIEars_> amrl_ - linuxquestions.org has some good exmples and howtos. give it a look
[06:59] <bob2> admrl_: you'll need to go find them using google or something
[07:00] <deFrysk> ubuntuguide has a a howto too i think
[07:00] <bob2> admrl_: but be aware that you'll have to put in a lot of work, and afaik it involves making your own incompatible kernel
[07:00] <admrl_> ive been looking but everything that they tell me to do doesnt work
[07:00] <wing`> wtf is this? Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[07:00] <wing`> it happens when i try to run TeamSpeak.sh
[07:00] <ray_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, do you have the backports
[07:00] <bob2> wing`: you're running it as root?
[07:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ray_ yes i do
[07:00] <ray_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, if you upgrade firfox from there it works
[07:00] <wing`> yes
[07:00] <admrl_> ok well thanx guys i guess i will just keep looking
[07:01] <ray_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, you can tell this has been pissing me off
[07:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ray_ which one do i pick i looked but coulden't figure it out in syn
[07:01] <bob2> wing`: then don't do that
[07:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ray_ same here man same here
[07:01] <Nameeater> admrl_: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-30341.html
[07:02] <ray_> umm i just did a apt-get install mozilla-firefox and it downloaded the new one after un uncommented the backports
[07:02] <IIIEars_> admrl_ http://www.frankandjacq.com/ubuntuguide/5.04/
[07:02] <wing`> now im trying without root and it isnt opening
[07:02] <wing`> no error
[07:02] <SDFH_Linux> can you upgrade safely to firefox 1.0.4??
[07:02] <bob2> wing`: then figure out why
[07:02] <bob2> wing`: why did you run it as root to begin with?
[07:02] <bob2> SDFH_Linux: not within hoary
[07:02] <wing`> because im noob man, its like my 2nd time with linux
[07:02] <SDFH_Linux> it breaks things bob2?
[07:03] <deFrysk> the one from backports works fine btw
[07:03] <IIIEars_> wing - Welcome! :)
[07:03] <bob2> wing`: so, lesson of the day: don't run random things as root
[07:03] <wing`> ok, i wont
[07:03] <bob2> SDFH_Linux: only in the sense that the packages aren\t as well tested as those in ubuntu
[07:03] <nickrud> deFrysk, I was being generic, which package is worth using?
[07:03] <bob2> I'd just get the tarball from mozilla.org, if I really cared
[07:04] <deFrysk> nickrud, none really , exept for smeg and gcursor
[07:04] <wing`> nice, no error msgs
[07:04] <wing`> and it doesnt open
[07:04] <bob2> wing`: you might have broken it by running it as root
[07:04] <glick> anyone in the philadelphia, USA area
[07:04] <ray_> later
[07:04] <nickrud> deFrysk, ok you got me. I'll get backports long enough for those :)
[07:04] <wing`> ok, ill try to reinstall it
[07:04] <bob2> wing`: that won't help
[07:04] <deFrysk> nickrud, hehe
[07:05] <bob2> wing`: look in your home directory and see if therere are any config files for it
[07:05] <wing`> for what?
[07:05] <teimu_> does anyone know how to change the default server joined when you start up BitchX
[07:06] <bob2> export IRC_SERVER=blah
[07:06] <wing`> bob2, configs file for TS?
[07:06] <bob2> or just don't use bitchx
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> it has some config files yu can make teimu_  also.
[07:06] <bob2> wing`: yes
[07:06] <wing`> theres nothing im my home directory
[07:06] <teimu_> export IRC_SERVER=irc.freenode.net
[07:06] <wing`> in TeamSpeak folder there are lots of files
[07:07] <thoreauputic> wing`: you would be looking for a "hidden" file like .ts*  (note dot)
[07:08] <wing`> theres a folder .teamspeak2
[07:08] <wing`> .ts too
[07:08] <Trace> Hello, when i try to ssh -X james@ip, why can't I contorl remote desktop but just a terminal? just like -x?
[07:08] <thoreauputic> wing`: that would be it I think
[07:08] <wing`> TeamSpeak.conf
[07:08] <wing`> inside
[07:08] <thoreauputic> wing`: have a look at those
[07:08] <bob2> Trace: that's what -X does
[07:09] <bob2> Trace: if you start an X program in that terminal, it will pop up on the machine in front of you
[07:10] <wing`> thoreauputic, just some random char
[07:10] <kritty> the sound button on Gnome.... is it a pakage or just a front end for alsa?
[07:10] <thoreauputic> wing`: other possibility: check the owner of ~/.Xauthority
[07:10] <Trace> oh~~~, thx very much bob2!! i misunderstand it.
[07:10] <bob2> Trace: you can use VNC if you want to access the existing desktop
[07:11] <nickrud> heh, smeg has changed
[07:11] <Trace> Actually, i want to try freenx, but with no luck
[07:11] <wing`> thoreauputic,  wheres that file?
[07:11] <thoreauputic> wing`: generally speaking you can delete dot files and they will regenerate next time you run the app - of course you lose the configuration and have to start from scratch though
[07:12] <thoreauputic> wing`: your home dir
[07:12] <wing`> and if i use the uninstall script
[07:12] <wing`> and then install again
[07:12] <IIIEars_> tightvnc is an off shhot of vnc works pretty well. even if docs are spartan
[07:12] <vladuz976> would someone be so kind and help me out here.  i get permissions problems. i can't access or save anything without sudo anymore
[07:12] <thoreauputic> wing`: as bob2 said, that won't fix your per-user settings
[07:12] <abhayks> enlightment on Breezy
[07:13] <abhayks> any help ?
[07:13] <frank> !wlan
[07:13] <ubotu> Wish i knew, frank
[07:13] <frank> !wireless
[07:13] <ubotu> wireless is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[07:13] <wing`> there are lots of characters too
[07:13] <Leviathann> ubuntu got popular real quick
[07:13] <wing`> in xautho
[07:13] <kritty> frank you are having wirelss issues?
[07:13] <frank> no
[07:13] <thoreauputic> wing`: what does  ls -l .Xauthority  say (run in your home dir) ?
[07:13] <zerboxx> If anyone here can help me with Point2Play, that would be great! I click on "Install" and nothing happens
[07:14] <vladuz976> hello, anybody here who can help me out?
[07:14] <bob2> isn't point2play proprietary commercial software?
[07:14] <bob2> vladuz976: you need to be a lot more specific
[07:14] <deFrysk> bob2, as in cedega I believe
[07:14] <wing`> -rw-------  1 pedro pedro 164 2005-07-21 21:48 .Xauthority
[07:14] <wing`> thoreauputic,
[07:14] <vladuz976> bob2: i installed oobeta today, now i can't save anything without sudo i can't even view man pages
[07:15] <thoreauputic> wing`: OK - that is OK then, assuming you are "pedro" ;)
[07:15] <Leviathann> are there any screenshots of stock ubuntu?
[07:15] <wing`> yes
[07:15] <wing`> i am :P
[07:15] <bob2> vladuz976: how did you manage that?
[07:15] <wing`> thoreauputic, all this shit beucase i ran it as root?
[07:15] <bob2> I assume you ran some messed up chmod or chown
[07:15] <wing`> because*
[07:16] <vladuz976> bob2: ok, the only thing that i changed permissions on is "soffice" in /opt/oo/programs/"
[07:16] <vladuz976> bob2: vladuz976@coca:~$ man xeyes
[07:16] <vladuz976> man: can't create a temporary filename: Permission denied
[07:16] <thoreauputic> wing`: hard to say - I don't know TeamSpeak (just trying a few possible gotchas)
[07:16] <vladuz976> bob2: i am sure i did
[07:17] <vladuz976> bob2: don't know what else it could be
[07:17] <mhz> moin!
[07:17] <wing`> i always installed it without problems in another distro
[07:17] <vladuz976> bob2: is there cure?
[07:17] <wing`> but now it just dont execute
[07:17] <Trace> Hello, does anybody know how to use freenx?
[07:17] <mhz> Has anyone know how to enter the BIOS in a Compaq M300???
[07:19] <thoreauputic> wing`: try backing up those config dirs/files in your home dir and rerunning it
[07:19] <thoreauputic> wing`: or blow then away
[07:19] <thoreauputic> 8them
[07:19] <thoreauputic> bah "them"
[07:19] <bob2> Trace: it's kinda inapproriate to join another's distro channel to ask for help with ubuntu
[07:19] <bob2> try asking a freenx-specific channel or list
[07:20] <wing`> its shows TeamSpeak.bin running
[07:20] <wing`> in the process list
[07:20] <vladuz976> bob2: do you have any idea for me or no?
[07:21] <thoreauputic> wing`: ah, well kill it and try again
[07:21] <bob2> vladuz976: unless you can figure out what you did, I don't think it's really possible to fix it
[07:21] <wing`> same thing
[07:21] <wing`> its there
[07:21] <bob2> strace'ing man would be a good start, but I have other things to do, so you'll have to find someone else to examien that for you
[07:21] <wing`> but it doesnt open
[07:21] <bob2> good luck
[07:21] <thoreauputic> wing`: since you ran it as root you will have to use sudo to kill it
[07:21] <vladuz976> bob2: like i said i th ink i ran a messed up chown or chmod
[07:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ray_ did you uninstall the "new" firefox first?
[07:21] <jasoncohen> firefox 1.0.6 can now be downloaded from backports-staging. it appears to work fine
[07:22] <jasoncohen> *installed
[07:22] <wing`> im killing using the X interface
[07:22] <bob2> vladuz976: so look through your shell history
[07:22] <wing`> and its working
[07:22] <drcode> hi all
[07:22] <wing`> at least it disappear
[07:22] <vladuz976> bob2: how do you do that
[07:22] <drcode> how I can see realplayer movies
[07:22] <drcode> in firefox?
[07:22] <nickrud> what's the standard permission for /tmp, anyway?
[07:22] <drcode> I have download realplayer
[07:23] <dbernar1> hi.
[07:23] <jasoncohen> drcode, you'll probably want mozilla-mplayer and w32codecs (the latter is in hoary-extras)
[07:23] <nickrud> I can never remember
[07:23] <bob2> vladuz976: ctrl-r chmod
[07:23] <thoreauputic> $ ls -ld /tmp
[07:23] <thoreauputic> drwxrwxrwt  28 root root 8192 2005-07-22 14:29 /tmp
[07:23] <drcode> I Hve installed it
[07:23] <bob2> vladuz976: drwxrwxrwt
[07:23] <nickrud> yah, but converting that to a chmod :)
[07:23] <vladuz976> bob2: what?
[07:23] <drcode> mediaplayer movies work
[07:24] <WMCoolmon> hey, i'm trying to get Qt working under Ubuntu, but am getting "undefined reference to `QGList::clear()'" and a number of other, similar errors
[07:24] <liquidten> drcode: if you use mplayer-mozilla and w32codecs make sure that your /etc/mplayerplug-in.conf  has enable-real=1
[07:24] <mhz> Trace: F10 did the trick :)
[07:24] <wing`> how do i list the processes in terminal?
[07:24] <thoreauputic> wing`: ps aux
[07:24] <bahblahblahbah> hello
[07:24] <dabaR> yo
[07:24] <bahblahblahbah> err can someone help me?
[07:24] <bahblahblahbah> i cannot use sudo
[07:24] <liquidten> drcode: then close firefox and do an rm -rf ~/.mozilla/firefox/pluginreg.dat and then restart firefox and test real files
[07:24] <bahblahblahbah> it says "azure is not in the sudoers file" or something like that
[07:24] <bob2> vladuz976: anyway, good luck
[07:24] <mhz> bahblahblahbah: why can't ya
[07:25] <drcode> thanx
[07:25] <drcode> I will check it now
[07:25] <bahblahblahbah> I can't edit sudoers file either
[07:25] <thoreauputic> bahblahblahbah: is this the original/first user you created?
[07:25] <vladuz976> bob2: thanks, god bless you
[07:26] <wing`> i think its not running
[07:26] <wing`> i cant find it in the list
[07:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> bob2 how do you use the automatic nick completeion feature?
[07:26] <dabaR> is it your computer?
[07:26] <bahblahblahbah> thoreauputic: well i reinstalled but since reinstall yes excluding root
[07:26] <thoreauputic> wing`: try using  pgrep <command>
[07:26] <vladuz976> ChurcH_of_FoamY: TAB
[07:26] <IIIEars_> Church, use a comma,
[07:26] <bob2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: first couple of letters, then tab
[07:26] <IIIEars_> Lol- supposed to work.
[07:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok i see
[07:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thanx
[07:27] <RLogout> Hello
[07:27] <bahblahblahbah> Hi
[07:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hi ^_^
[07:27] <wing`> command to start teamspeak?
[07:27] <bahblahblahbah> Hi
[07:27] <thoreauputic> bahblahblahbah: I assume it was a standard install? You didn't use the "expert' option?
[07:27] <bahblahblahbah> i did use expert option
[07:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wing`,  ./TeamSpeak
[07:27] <thoreauputic> bahblahblahbah: that's the problem
[07:27] <bahblahblahbah> because the CD said the drive would be formatted unless you used "expert"
[07:27] <RLogout> How are you blabla ?
[07:27] <wing`> pgrep ./TeamSpeak ?
[07:28] <bahblahblahbah> Fine...
[07:28] <thoreauputic> bahblahblahbah: you will have to use visudo as root
[07:28] <wing`> nothing happens
[07:28] <bahblahblahbah> visudo?
[07:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wing`, you must be in the TeamSpeak directory for it to work though
[07:28] <thoreauputic> bahblahblahbah: to edit the sudoers file
[07:28] <wing`> yes
[07:28] <bahblahblahbah> can you give me the syntax of the function?
[07:28] <wing`> i am
[07:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thoreauputic,  hey man whats up?
[07:28] <thoreauputic> bahblahblahbah: ?
[07:28] <bahblahblahbah> like how do i use the function..
[07:28] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: hi FoamY :)
[07:29] <bahblahblahbah> lol and thank you thoreauputic for spelling my name correctly :o
[07:29] <thoreauputic> bahblahblahbah: as root, type visudo
[07:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thoreauputic, i just got my new sound card in and it rocks
[07:29] <thoreauputic> heh
[07:29] <bahblahblahbah> I can't logon as root...-.-
[07:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[07:29] <wing`> thoreauputic,  after i type ./TeamSpeak that black square keeps blinking and nothing happens
[07:29] <bahblahblahbah> thoreauputic: once my friend made me a siggy and he spelled it blahblahblah XD
[07:29] <mhz> Has anyone here ever set up a "pc server" CD drive with ubuntu to make other machines boot from it???
[07:29] <wing`> no errros / no starts
[07:29] <thoreauputic> bahblahblahbah: you created a root pass in the expert install, presumably
[07:29] <wing`> errors
[07:29] <bahblahblahbah> yes
[07:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wing`, it takes a moment to run
[07:30] <wing`> i waited more than 1 minute
[07:30] <bahblahblahbah> thoreauputic: yes
[07:30] <thoreauputic> bahblahblahbah: then su ; <password> ; visudo ....
[07:30] <poningru> anyone see Asa Doltzers blog?
[07:30] <drcode> dosnt work
[07:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wing`, i would start checking for dependancys then
[07:30] <bahblahblahbah> do i include the ";"?
[07:30] <drcode> I try to run stream movie from firefox
[07:30] <worm3rd> Hi. Could someone tell me how to get the usbnet module installed?
[07:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> maybe it's missing something
[07:30] <drcode> it give blackscreen
[07:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it works fine for me
[07:31] <bahblahblahbah> lol is there always like 5 conversations going on at the same time here?
[07:31] <bahblahblahbah> o.O
[07:31] <mhz> bahblahblahbah: just in case, the password you are supposed to provide at the sudo prompt is your password, not the root one :)
[07:31] <bob2> worm3rd: you already have it installed?
[07:31] <bob2> bahblahblahbah: on slow days
[07:31] <nickrud> lol, very slow days
[07:31] <worm3rd> bob2: Well, I do not see it in /etc/modules
[07:31] <poningru> drcode: what plugin and what kind of movie?
[07:31] <thoreauputic> bahblahblahbah: no, type each on a separate line - are you sure you are "expert" *g* ?
[07:31] <wing`> ChurcH_of_FoamY, isnt there any package archive where i just find TeamSpeak and it downloads all its needed and installs it?
[07:31] <bahblahblahbah> oh ok
[07:31] <zenlunatic> bahblahblahbah: its called irc deal with it
[07:31] <bahblahblahbah> thorequputic: thx alot
[07:31] <bahblahblahbah> lol...gotcha zenlunatic
[07:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wing`, that would be nice woulden't it
[07:31] <thoreauputic> mhz: he made a root account and used the expert install
[07:31] <bob2> worm3rd: indeed, it's not loaded by default
[07:31] <zenlunatic> bahblahblahbah: in a crowded room in a building do a lot of converstations go on?
[07:31] <drcode> mozila-mplayer
[07:31] <worm3rd> bob2: ...
[07:32] <mhz> thoreauputic: ever set up an ubuntu booting server?
[07:32] <RQ> ehlo
[07:32] <drcode> its on stream movie
[07:32] <mhz> thoreauputic: LOL
[07:32] <thoreauputic> mhz: nope
[07:32] <drcode> of realplayer
[07:32] <wing`> ChurcH_of_FoamY, how can i check the dependancys?
[07:32] <zenlunatic> bahblahblahbah: i means seriously what did you expect me to say to such an ubsurd question?
[07:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wing`, i noticed that after installing some kde stuff that it seems to work fine
[07:32] <poningru> drcode: mplayer cannot play realplayer
[07:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wing`, ask bob2 he might know
[07:32] <RQ> hi ppl
[07:32] <nickrud> poningru, ?
[07:32] <poningru> unless you have the crazy plugin
[07:32] <wing`> bob2, ?
[07:32] <bob2> worm3rd: if you want it loaded, load it
[07:32] <nickrud> ?
[07:32] <mhz> thoreauputic: I just got an M300 (compaq laptop) and it only boot XP :(
[07:32] <drcode> so what I Need to install?
[07:32] <worm3rd> bob2: Yes, but how do I load it? =(
[07:32] <bob2> worm3rd: sudo modprobe usbnet
[07:33] <mhz> thoreauputic: but I can set up the BIOS to use PXE
[07:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wing`, i just started using this a little while ago but haven't had any trouble
[07:33] <bahblahblahbah> do i do (username) ALL=(ALL) ALL?
[07:33] <thoreauputic> bahblahblahbah: yes
[07:33] <poningru> nickrud: how else do you play realplayer in mplayer?
[07:33] <mhz> thoreauputic: just that I have no clue how to set the ubuntu server for it
[07:33] <wing`> :/ i need to install this man
[07:33] <zenlunatic> bahblahblahbah: i think thats a sudoers line
[07:33] <bob2> bahblahblahbah: rob     ALL=(ALL) ALL
[07:33] <zenlunatic> bahblahblahbah: /etc/sudoers
[07:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wing`, don't get discouraged man it will work
[07:33] <nickrud> poningru, I just never thought of it as the 'crazy' plugin
[07:33] <bahblahblahbah> rob? my username definitely isn't rob
[07:33] <poningru> oh
[07:33] <bob2> wing`: 'need" is a little strong.  how did you install it to begin with?
[07:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wing`, you just have to be patent and figure it out
[07:34] <bob2> bahblahblahbah: duh, use yours...
[07:34] <poningru> well its not in any repositories
[07:34] <zenlunatic> bahblahblahbah: duh! substitute it
[07:34] <zenlunatic> bob2: heh
[07:34] <poningru> dont you have to compile it yourself?
[07:34] <wing`> bob2, i just ran setup.sh
[07:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wing`, i use it and it works better than in windows and i run my own server with my own linux group to discuss ideas
[07:34] <nickrud> poningru, now, you make me go try realplayer streams with mozilla-mplayer, so I can refresh my memory :)
[07:35] <bob2> wing`: it has no instructions?
[07:35] <wing`> no, its done by a friendly graphic interface
[07:35] <wing`> just next, next, next, finish
[07:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> bob2, yea it does i'll help him install it
[07:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wing`, ok here's how you install it
[07:36] <bahblahblahbah> znelunatic/bob2: yah i know...-.-
[07:36] <bahblahblahbah> so how do i exit after i'm done modifying?
[07:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wing`, where did you download it"?
[07:36] <vladuz976> bob2: i found all chmod and chown in history, can you take a look at it. it's not that  much
[07:36] <wing`> at goteamspeak.com
[07:36] <poningru> nickrud: let me know how it works out
[07:36] <poningru> wait how did that get started
[07:36] <poningru> was I supposed to help someone?
[07:36] <zenlunatic> bahblahblahbah: man vi man emacs man nano
[07:36] <nickrud> mplayer plays my real media on my disk, anyway, first test
[07:36] <vladuz976> or anyone else feel like looking at this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/AvV6AS93.html
[07:36] <zenlunatic> bahblahblahbah: man editor
[07:37] <bob2> zenlunatic: thats not very helpful
[07:37] <bahblahblahbah> man editor?
[07:37] <thoreauputic> bahblahblahbah:  :wq  in vi (which is what visudo is)
[07:37] <zenlunatic> bahblahblahbah: what editor
[07:37] <poningru> nickrud: do you have official realplayer installed?
[07:37] <bahblahblahbah> inside the terminal
[07:37] <bahblahblahbah> i'm using visudo
[07:37] <zenlunatic> bob2: well we can't possibly tell him everything
[07:37] <bob2> zenlunatic: sure, but you don't need to give people confusing and unhelpful comments, either
[07:37] <thoreauputic> bahblahblahbah: visudo is vi (surprisingly enough)
[07:37] <zenlunatic> bob2: how is man unhelpful?
[07:38] <nickrud> poningru, of course
[07:38] <bob2> zenlunatic: so, where in the vi man page does it explain how to save and quit?
[07:38] <poningru> oh well I am talking about the hacked lib
[07:38] <zenlunatic> bob2: don't know don't use vi actually
[07:38] <bob2> zenlunatic: or are you suggesting that someone should read all three man pages you mentioned, then all linked documentation?
[07:38] <IIIEars_> #debian is the RTFM channekl Ubuntu tries to be friendlier
[07:38] <nickrud> poningru, ah, a purist, you are :)
[07:38] <bahblahblahbah> bob2: how do i save and quit?
[07:38] <poningru> hehe not really
[07:39] <bob2> bahblahblahbah: :wq
[07:39] <poningru> I have the official realplayer as well
[07:39] <bahblahblahbah> thoreauputic: visudo is vi?
[07:39] <thoreauputic> bahblahblahbah: i told you
[07:39] <zenlunatic> bob2: i like mg myself
[07:39] <bahblahblahbah> :wq...ok
[07:39] <bahblahblahbah> thx
[07:39] <thoreauputic> bahblahblahbah: of course
[07:39] <poningru> just wondering if someone uses the 'free' one
[07:39] <bob2> IIIEars_: do you think it's bad to point someone at documentation instead of typign out the same answer 20 times a day?
[07:39] <IIIEars_> blahblah, - :wq  colon w-rite q-uit
[07:40] <zenlunatic> bob2: my point its better to teach a man how to fish then give him free fish for a day
[07:40] <IIIEars_> bob2 - type it until ya get tired and pass the baton. - ;)
[07:40] <k4rp0r> how can i change my port in bittornado (using ubuntu)
[07:40] <mhz> hmm, ANY one ever installed Ubuntu from HardDisk?
[07:40] <poningru> mhz: what do you mean?
[07:40] <bob2> zenlunatic: indeed, and I agree, but the docs you pointed at where a) mostly not relevant, and b) didn't have his/her answer anyway
[07:40] <mhz> poningru: I have laptop with no cd boot nor floppy boot
[07:40] <bob2> k4rp0r: it takes two flags for that, --max-port and --min-port
[07:41] <poningru> ooph
[07:41] <poningru> mhz: you have not drives?
[07:41] <vladuz976> so no one can look at this 20 line paste and help me out?
[07:41] <zenlunatic> bob2: well theres so many vi clones its hard to point to existing docs
[07:41] <mhz> poningru: so my options are netboot or hardisk boot
[07:41] <poningru> do you have usb port?
[07:41] <zenlunatic> bob2: why i don't use vi
[07:41] <cartman> anyone knows where did setxkbmap gone in breezy?
[07:41] <bob2> zenlunatic: no, there's a very few, and they all have the same basic command set
[07:41] <IIIEars_> bob2 - didn't think it would come across quite that way bob2. - you are invaluable here.
[07:41] <cartman> daniels: maybe you know :D
[07:41] <mhz> poningru: netboot will take me lot to learn before I can even test the lapop with ubuntu
[07:41] <bob2> IIIEars_: I was just curious about that you thought
[07:42] <mhz> poningru: yes, 1 USB port
[07:42] <bob2> IIIEars_: I personally think it's fine to (politely) tell someone to RTFM, as long as you point them at actually useful docs
[07:42] <bahblahblahbah> i typed :wq then pressed enter...nothing -.-
[07:42] <bimberi> erm... visudo runs nano on my hoary install
[07:42] <mhz> poningru: I already set the bios to acept USB boot but it does not boot
[07:42] <bahblahblahbah> am i just an idiot who can't even do idiot-proff stuff?
[07:42] <thoreauputic> bahblahblahbah: hit <esc> first
[07:42] <k4rp0r> bob2:ok but how can i change them???
[07:42] <poningru> mhz: did you use a flash drive?
[07:42] <bob2> bahblahblahbah: does it have a list of commands at the bottom of the screen?
[07:42] <daniels> cartman: right now, it doesn't exist
[07:42] <poningru> or an external floppy?
[07:42] <bahblahblahbah> yes
[07:42] <daniels> cartman: it'll come back after I've fixed some more urgent breakage
[07:42] <bob2> k4rp0r: by passing those flags to bittornado
[07:42] <bahblahblahbah> all beginning with ^
[07:42] <thoreauputic> bahblahblahbah: you aren't in command mode is the problem
[07:43] <bimberi> bahblahblahbah: <ctrl>X
[07:43] <nickrud> bimberi, it will until you do update-alternatives --config editor
[07:43] <bahblahblahbah> oh
[07:43] <bahblahblahbah> -.-
[07:43] <RQ> bahblahblahbah: <esc> :wq
[07:43] <mhz> poningru: no flash drive here, someone broke into my house a week ago and took many stuff with him
[07:43] <cartman> daniels: alright
[07:43] <bahblahblahbah> :X sorry
[07:43] <bahblahblahbah> really sorry
[07:43] <bahblahblahbah> i'm so stupid -.-
[07:43] <IIIEars_> bob2 - RTFM is rude a link is a bit friendlier.
[07:43] <bimberi> nickrud: tks :)
[07:43] <kritty> !wlan
[07:43] <ubotu> kritty: Wish i knew
[07:43] <RQ> bahblahblahbah: there should be no ":wq" in the file
[07:43] <RQ> ;]
[07:43] <mhz> poningru: I do have 1 USB CD drive and 1 USB CDRW
[07:43] <kritty> !wireless
[07:43] <ubotu> rumour has it, wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[07:43] <bob2> IIIEars_: I mean RTFM in the sense of "go read wiki.ubuntu.com/Java", for instance
[07:44] <Orborde> If I extract a package using RPM, will Synaptic be able to handle it? In short, can I use RPMs easily on Ubuntu?
[07:44] <IIIEars_> ubotu You are going to be a genius soon.
[07:44] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, IIIEars_
[07:44] <bob2> IIIEars_: would you consider it rude if you asked how to install java, and someone just gave you that url?
[07:44] <bob2> Orborde: nope
[07:44] <vladuz976> bob2: ??
[07:44] <mhz> poningru: but I still cant make it boot from any of those USB drives
[07:44] <thoreauputic> bimberi: he's in vi, not nano
[07:44] <bob2> vladuz976: !!
[07:44] <poningru> hmm yeah you probably wont be able to from the drives
[07:44] <bob2> vladuz976: you're being annoying, if you want someone to look at your list, put it somewhere simple and ask
[07:44] <mhz> poningru: hence my questions about making Ubuntu boot and install from Harddisk
[07:44] <poningru> mhz: yeah ic
[07:45] <poningru> I have no clue about that though
[07:45] <poningru> sorry
[07:45] <mhz> thx
[07:45] <bahblahblahbah> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:45] <bahblahblahbah> SUCESS!!!!!
[07:45] <IIIEars_> (beginning to think i am in deep doo-doo...) - um - a little friendly interest a bit of investigating to make certain the real problem is understood and then a link.
[07:45] <bimberi> thoreauputic: k - just pointing out that in my, basically unmodified, install visudo runs nano
[07:45] <bahblahblahbah> thank you all!!!
[07:45] <mhz> it seems I m forced to learn about netboot :(  I like the idea but not tonite.
[07:46] <bob2> IIIEars_: right, that sounds highly reasonable, thanks
[07:46] <thoreauputic> bimberi: oh - odd
[07:46] <nickrud> IIIEars_, me, I appreciate your efforts to train the bot
[07:46] <vladuz976> bob2: i am frustrated sorry, also i put it in a pastebin here : http://rafb.net/paste/results/AvV6AS93.html
[07:47] <thoreauputic> bimberi: ah - so it does! It used to run vi in warty
[07:47] <IIIEars_> cafuego - Is the genius. ever tried to configure an infobot? - sheesh...
[07:47] <boga> any one know a goo GUI based intrusion detection package for Linux?
[07:47] <highvolt1ge> a goo GUI?
[07:47] <nickrud> no, but I've added a bit here and there to the db
[07:48] <RQ> highvolt1ge: he means "good" :)
[07:48] <bob2> vladuz976: none of those look dangerous
[07:48] <vladuz976> bob2: that is what i thought
[07:48] <kritty> I have a D-ling G520+ that seems to sleep if I don't ping my router.  Anyone know how to fix it?
[07:48] <bob2> you wouldn't want a GUI-based intrusion detection program
[07:48] <bob2> perhaps a GUI configration tool for it
[07:48] <bob2> or a GUI results viewer
[07:48] <nickrud> thoreauputic, although, you would figure ..
[07:48] <vladuz976> bob2: anyother idea?
[07:48] <thoreauputic> nickrud: indeed
[07:49] <IIIEars_> bob2 - giant flashing black and white skull and crossbones with bold text. "You are being hacked at this very moment.
[07:49] <nickrud> it's age catching up with this os, I guess :)
[07:49] <Stramash> i just installed ubuntu yesterday. smbmount - command not found ?? smbclient works and i can see windows shares in network browser
[07:49] <bimberi> :)
[07:50] <bob2> Stramash: smbfs is the package, iirc
[07:50] <bob2> Stramash: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[07:50] <IIIEars_> no? - okay just a thought.. - lol
[07:50] <Discipulus> Any of you ever play God of War?
[07:50] <Stramash> thanks bob2
[07:50] <cartman> Anyone got Linksys WPC54G (Ver.2) wireless pcmcia on Ubuntu?
[07:50] <cartman> got working*
[07:51] <IIIEars_> ach! - wine is difficult. :(
[07:51] <thoreauputic> for any aterm fans out there who want a utf-8 compatible term with similar features: urxvt in the rxvt-unicode package
[07:51] <kritty> I have a D-link G520+ that seems to sleep if I don't ping my router.  Anyone know how to fix it?  I guess I could write a script to run on start-up to do it but I would like to fix it right
[07:53] <RQ> there's a gterm, which even uses gtk2 ;)
[07:53] <thoreauputic> IIIEars_: but gin is worse ;)
[07:54] <thoreauputic> RQ: which package is that from? or do you mean gnome-terminal ?
[07:54] <nekohayo> anyone concerned with audacity's current GUI?
[07:54] <tkiesel> Hi everyone. Got an odd web browser issue here.  Rendering bug. On some pages, text in user-editable fields is invisible, but will show up if I choose to view the page without style (CSS-less, I suppose?)  On Hoary. This affects Gecko-based browsers (Firefox, Epiphany) and Opera as well.
[07:55] <RQ> thoreauputic: yeah
[07:55] <RQ> gnome-terminal, right ;)
[07:55] <RQ> there's also an Xterminal
[07:55] <RQ> from xfce
[07:55] <bob2> tkiesel: that sounds more like the page is screwed
[07:55] <RQ> beautiful thingie :)
[07:55] <nickrud> tkiesel, I remember having that problem, and if i recall correctly, I needed to change the monospace font
[07:55] <thoreauputic> RQ: the reason for using aterm/ urxvt is that it is lighter and pops up faster
[07:55] <tkiesel> Works wonderfully in Firefox on windows, so it's not a standards compliance one, though perhaps it's a Windows FF vs. Linux FF non-standards rendering issue?
[07:56] <RQ> thechitowncubs: Xterminal is fast too ;)
[07:56] <mhz> poningru: what if I had a USB SD card reader?? would it boot from it?
[07:56] <tkiesel> bob2: I've ruled that out pretty thouroghly with cross borwser/ cross-OS checking.
[07:56] <RQ> and it respects your GTK themes
[07:56] <tkiesel> nickrud: I'll give that a shot here. :)  Any suggestion of what to change it to?
[07:56] <bob2> tkiesel: didn't you just say it affects opera and gecko?
[07:56] <RQ> thechitowncubs: btw i doubt Gnome-terminal is slow on a gnome system
[07:57] <RQ> the libs are already loaded anyways
[07:57] <tkiesel> bob2: Opera and Gecko on Hoary, but not Opera, Gecko, IE, Amaya, etc. on Windows.
[07:58] <WMCoolmon> hey
[07:59] <nickrud> tkiesel, I didn't take notes, so it may take me a day or so to remember it
[07:59] <bahblahblahbah> hi
[07:59] <WMCoolmon> anyone know how to get wxwidgets (or qt, i suppose) working with ubuntu?
[07:59] <thoreauputic_> aterm/ urxvt start up instantly on gnome: gnome-terminal takes 3 seconds on  my system
[07:59] <bob2> WMCoolmon: you'll need to be a bit more specific
[07:59] <tkiesel> nickrud: No problem. Gives me somewhere to start. Thanks so much!!
[07:59] <bob2> anything in ubuntu that uses them Depends on them, and they Just Work
[07:59] <nickrud> but I am sure it was a font problem somewhere
[08:00] <WMCoolmon> well, i installed the 2.5.3 library and 2.5.3-dev library
[08:00] <WMCoolmon> but it's giving a lot of undefined errors
[08:00] <bob2> WMCoolmon: what is?
[08:00] <WMCoolmon> i suspect that's because i don't have a setup.h, but haven't found instructions on getting one setup O_o
[08:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> bob2, where do i go to wright a how to or a wiki?
[08:00] <bob2> also, note that you can't do silly thing like use a non-default version of g++
[08:00] <WMCoolmon> compiling a simple app
[08:00] <bob2> WMCoolmon: on hoary?
[08:00] <WMCoolmon> yep
[08:00] <bob2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:00] <WMCoolmon> Hoary-AMD64
[08:00] <bob2> WMCoolmon: with the default version of g++?
[08:01] <WMCoolmon> if that's g++-3.3, yeah
[08:02] <IIIEars_> kritty - ping script http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=339395 if [ $(ping -c 4 $HOSTNAME | grep ^rtt | cut -d '/' -f 5 | tr -d '.') -lt 200 ] ; then echo fast; else echo slow; fi
[08:02] <bob2> WMCoolmon: paste the error from g++ to #flood
[08:03] <hacked`> guys, how do i set my root passwd again
[08:03] <bob2> hacked`: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:03] <hacked`> k
[08:03] <bob2> which is linked fro mthe FAQ
[08:03] <hacked`> thanks bob2
[08:03] <bob2> WMCoolmon: you have wx2.5-headers installed?
[08:04] <glick> what does BOFH stand for?
[08:04] <WMCoolmon> bob2: yeah
[08:04] <timl> bastard operator from hell
[08:04] <fabbione> Bastart Operator From Hell
[08:04] <WMCoolmon> the output's sort of long, so i'm gonna upload it
[08:04] <thoreauputic> glick: bastard operator from hell
[08:04] <glick> lol
[08:04] <glick> haha
[08:04] <glick> ok
[08:05] <tiglionabbit> say, is it possible to pre-order Breezy CDs?
[08:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> bob2 i want to wright a howto where do i go? the wiki pages don't seem to be the right place
[08:05] <nickrud> glick, that's you, as soon as you run someone else's machine
[08:05] <bob2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: why not?
[08:05] <bob2> tiglionabbit: not yet
[08:05] <IIIEars_> lol - software is like sex it's better if it is free. -
[08:05] <benplaut> tiglionabbit: not yet, but a month or so before the release, yup
[08:05] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY, you could write one on the forums.  They have a customization tips section
[08:05] <bob2> tiglionabbit: for hoary, orders in the last few weeks before hoary came out where held back
[08:06] <WMCoolmon> bob2: http://fs2source.warpcore.org/out.txt
[08:06] <bob2> please don't use the forums for that
[08:06] <Burgundavia> ChurcH_of_FoamY, the wiki is the right place for a howto
[08:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> bob2 um cuase i can't find where to wright it
[08:06] <tiglionabbit> bob2: held back?
[08:06] <Raskall-edge> agh... my new cellphone is unusable as an alarm clock.  That was 10 minutes before the last bus I cant take to reach a train before the train stops going for 4 hours.
[08:06] <benplaut> i'll take it :)
[08:06] <RQ> Raskall: :))
[08:06] <coobra> hoi my ubuntu friends :))
[08:06] <benplaut> hi
[08:06] <nickrud> hey
[08:06] <bob2> tiglionabbit: until hoary released, then they shipped hoary ones as soon as they were available
[08:07] <tim_> ive edited my xorg.conf to only display 1280x1024, but it keeps on forcing it to 1280x768. anyone have any ideas on a solution?
[08:07] <bob2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: wiki.ubuntu.com/YourHowtoHere, then choose "create"
[08:07] <bob2> WMCoolmon: http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/2005/03/msg00109.html
[08:07] <Raskall-edge> RQ: luckily I can work from the train (am on the train now), so I can go home at the usual time anyways.
[08:08] <nickrud> bob2, if someone wanted to point out some mods to a current wiki, where would he start?
[08:08] <RQ> hmz
[08:08] <RQ> Raskall: why can't you work at home then? :)
[08:08] <bob2> nickrud: as in modify it themselves?  just login and start editing!
[08:08] <Raskall-edge> RQ: :) because the people at work needs me to be there. I am sysadmin and techie-support.
[08:09] <RQ> oh... :)
[08:09] <nickrud> haha. I believe it getting my stuff reviewed before acceptance
[08:09] <Raskall-edge> RQ: that is support for the techies
[08:11] <nickrud> bob2, but, I guess, it'll get cut if it sucks, so here goes :)
[08:11] <Raskall-edge> btw, how can i set the timeout for bringing up nics during boot? When I am offline it takes forever to boot.
[08:12] <Maranda> This is an absurdly awesome distro.
[08:12] <RQ> hmm
[08:13] <IIIEars_> Raskall-edge - hoping someone has an answer. was wondering the same thing.
[08:13] <stian_> what was the dpkg command to install all dependecyes ?
[08:13] <IIIEars_> Maranda - Welcome! :)
[08:13] <bob2> dhcp will only wait 20 seconds
[08:14] <Raskall-edge> IIIEars_: you can press ctrl-c, but then the lo interface doesn't get up and I need that for ssh-tunneling when connected with my cell
[08:14] <bob2> and it's only that long because some broken dhcp servers take forever
[08:14] <bob2> stian_: that's not what dpkg is for
[08:14] <RQ> IIIEars_, Raskall:  maybe that could go to some wishlist on ubuntu
[08:14] <Maranda> Don't get excited, this is my girlfriend's nick.
[08:14] <thoreauputic> stian_: dpkg? I think you need apt-get
[08:14] <stian_> the distro is stunning good. Installed it yesterday:)
[08:14] <Maranda> I'm male.
[08:14] <nickrud> stian_, apt-get install <package> will get all needed depenencies for <package>
[08:14] <RQ> i suppose it shouldn't be hard to put the that to the background
[08:14] <tiglionabbit> does he mean dpkg -f install ?
[08:15] <stian_> tiglionabbit: oh yes..
[08:15] <Raskall-edge> RQ: it is not a big problem for me, though. I press ctrl-c and does "ifup lo" when booted. but still its annoying
[08:15] <RQ> OTOH, some other scripts probably depend on the state of network
[08:15] <MrGardenHoseMan> hwo do i unrar .rar files?
[08:15] <MrGardenHoseMan> how*
[08:15] <La_PaRCa> !rar
[08:15] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, La_PaRCa
[08:15] <bob2> MrGardenHoseMan: with the "unrar" command
[08:15] <Maranda> Anyway, question. I have an atheros car, and I did iwconfig ath0 essid, and then my ssid.
[08:15] <MrGardenHoseMan> heh
[08:15] <bob2> MrGardenHoseMan: from the unrar package
[08:15] <Maranda> Yet no connection.
[08:15] <Raskall-edge> MrGardenHoseMan: you install unrar and unrar it.
[08:15] <La_PaRCa> I thought rar was defined here
[08:15] <RQ> Raskall: one of the possible and possibly broken solutions is to rename the scripts so that they go last :)
[08:15] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[08:15] <bob2> if the file is recent, you may need unrar-nonfree
[08:15] <stian_> install the winrar linux console program if you want to do it on new .rar files.
[08:16] <tiglionabbit> MrGardenHoseMan, you should be able to do it with file-roller, which launches automatically if you double-click on em.  You may need unrar-nonfree for some rars
[08:16] <tiglionabbit> stian_, why not just unrar-nonfree?
[08:16] <Maranda> Can I have help?