[01:05] <ainx> hello
[01:06]  * wxl waves to ainx
[01:07] <ainx> hi wxl
[01:46] <ainx> wxl, do you now someapplication for linux as sambroadcaster ?
[01:47] <wxl> ainx: what type of server are you connecting to?
[01:49] <ainx> shoutcast
[01:49] <wxl> mixxx. it's really more dj software than "radio" software if you will but it's incredibly powerful.
[01:49] <wxl> another option is idjc
[01:50] <ainx> i'm use it now
[01:50] <wxl> you use what?
[01:50] <ainx> but it's not working good
[01:50] <wxl> why not?
[01:50] <holstein> i used to use BUTT, broadcast using this tool.. to icecast.. or darkice out of JACK
[01:50] <ainx> i'm use mixxx
[01:51] <ainx> idjc i don't know if i install it
[01:52] <wxl> again, what's wrong with mixxx?
[01:52] <wxl> have you tried joining the #mixxx channel for support?
[01:57] <ainx> if i use mixxx my computer hang up
[01:57] <wxl> which version of mixxx are you using? on what hardware?
[01:58] <ainx> 1.10.1
[01:58] <ainx> core 2 duo
[01:58] <wxl> pffht
[01:58] <ainx> 2.8ghz 1gb ram
[01:58] <wxl> that makes no sense
[01:58] <wxl> should work gloriously
[01:58] <wxl> i've had it working on MUCH lower end hardware
[01:58] <ainx> i don't know hoq
[01:58] <ainx> eh?
[01:58] <ainx> are you?
[01:58] <wxl> how are you running it? do you have a million other things running at the same time?
[01:59] <Unit193> Tried removing the config and trying again?
[02:00] <wxl> join #mixxx channel for support perhaps?
[02:00] <ainx> ok i check this stuff
[02:00] <wxl> butt sucks
[02:01] <holstein> works as advertised
[02:02] <ainx> really suck?
[06:46] <qingluo> hi all, i wanna to mask boot details. how can i do to instead of log show with boot image just like normal ubuntu or centos etc.
[11:06] <leszek> hi
[15:06] <RickWeaver> hi guys
[15:07] <RickWeaver> i have installed the Lubuntu yesterday and I have a question: some application does not have any window border, there is no icon to minimize or close the window
[15:07] <RickWeaver> what can i do with that?
[15:49] <ainx>  /join #bizshells
[15:49] <ainx> sorry
[17:21] <theteju> hello
[17:22] <theteju> I need help. I am confused, I used to run Lubuntu on one of my netbook do not know which version, but now I am unable to install
[17:23] <theteju> the installation never makes it to finish. Is my netbook not strong enough for 13.04 onwards?
[17:23] <wxl> possible, theteju. try alternate instaler.
[17:23] <theteju> I have AMD athlon XP-M  +2000 processor with 1 GB ram
[17:23] <wxl> still, try
[17:23] <theteju> I tried alternate installer, with no success
[17:24] <wxl> that is quite strange
[17:24] <wxl> where does it stop at? how long has it been stopped?
[17:24] <bioterror> with one 1GB I would run regular x86
[17:24] <bioterror> go with the 32bit
[17:25] <theteju> with alternate installer ,, it fails all the way at the end, as If it can not load the graphics
[17:25] <bioterror> alternate installer does not load graphics, it just installs them
[17:25] <bioterror> with alternate installer you can check installation progress with alt+function key
[17:25] <bioterror> was it alt+f2 or what
[17:26] <theteju> yes,,  alternate installer, let me create partition, copies files everything goes, but upon restart it never makes it to the log in screen
[17:26] <theteju> I tried twice.
[17:26] <wxl> where does it take you?
[17:27] <bioterror> then twiddle with the kernel paramters
[17:27] <bioterror> like noacpi noapic etc.
[17:27] <theteju> do you guys think my processor is good enough to run the latest version of Lubuntu ?
[17:28] <theteju> it is rated at 1.7 GHz if you just google.
[17:28] <bioterror> Steve Jobs would say something about GHz myth
[17:28] <bioterror> but that was before switchin from PPC to x86 :D
[17:28] <theteju> currently I have PClinuxOS running on it,, but I hate it,, as My network card is not working on that system Lubuntu used to work flawlessly
[17:31] <theteju> my stupid netbook does not support usb boot
[17:32] <theteju> unfortunately everytime I have to burn an DVD
[17:44] <theteju> ok , I am downloading latest regular Iso,, will see what happens
[18:53] <edburns> I'm running into some upgrade trouble going from 13.04 to 13.10.
[18:53] <edburns> I have posted on the forum about it.
[18:54] <edburns> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2191476
[18:57] <edburns> wxl: Are you here?
[21:12] <edburns> wxl: Hello?
[21:20] <theteju> hello guys,
[21:20] <theteju> Tried it again, whole installation goes smooth, but upon restart , I am stuck at the Lubuntu logo on the screen
[21:20] <theteju> it never makes it to the desktop
[21:21] <theteju> The screen is stuck with "Lubuntu logo and five blue dots"
[21:25] <theteju> any one??
[21:26] <nannes> edburns: I think you should use 12.04lts as suggested on the forum
[21:26] <Unit193> On first power on, hit shift and edit the boot option taking out  quiet splash
[21:26] <Unit193> (There is no Lubuntu LTS.)
[21:26] <edburns> nannes: But what about all the data and config I already have on the Lubuntu 13.04 system?
[21:27] <nannes> edburns: Data == ? What kind of data?
[21:27] <edburns> Documents and such.
[21:27] <nannes> and config.... of which programs? cause everything can be backupED
[21:27] <edburns> nannes: Re: config: Getting it to work with my local printer.
[21:27] <nannes> edburns: You temporairily store them into an external device
[21:28] <nannes> theteju: It looks like a graphical problem
[21:28] <nannes> Can you access tty1/2/... with  Ctrl ALT F1 ?
[21:28] <nannes> or F2 / F3    etc.
[21:29] <edburns> nannes: Let me try that.
[21:30] <nannes> edburns: no sorry it was for theteju
[21:30] <edburns> nannes: Ah.  Ok.
[21:30] <nannes> edburns: You actually cannot boot your lubuntu-box due to kernel incompatibilities right?
[21:30] <edburns> nannes: I can, but only when I select the 3.8.x kernel.
[21:30] <nannes> sorry But I'm doing support in so many channels I can get lost :S
[21:31] <edburns> nannes: Yes, I can when I select the 3.8.0-33-generic kernel.
[21:31] <nannes> ok, and ... is it a problem? I mean, if 3.8 works, isn't it ok for you?
[21:31] <edburns> nannes: I guess it is.
[21:31] <edburns> I need to be educated.
[21:31] <nannes> why
[21:31] <nannes> oh ok :)
[21:32] <edburns> What is the relationship between lubuntu versions, such as 13.04 and 13.10, and kernel versions, such as 3.8.0-33-generic and 3.11.0-13-generic ?
[21:34] <edburns> nannes: ?
[21:34] <nannes> What do you mean?
[21:34] <nannes> Do you wanna know the differences between the two or what?
[21:34] <theteju> nannes : not ctrl alt F1 or any other F keys does not get me to text screen
[21:35] <theteju> nannes; I am trying to boot from live CD now and let you know, whats there in the logs
[21:35] <edburns> nannes: I had Lubuntu 13.04.  I guess that implied kernel 3.8.0-33-generic.  I said, "Yes" when lubuntu asked me if I wanted to upgrade to Lubuntu 13.10.  When that was done, I had 3.11.0-13-generic.
[21:35] <theteju> nannes: it look like graphic driver issue
[21:35] <edburns> If I run my Lubuntu 13.10 system with the  3.8.0-33-generic kernel, then do I really still have a lubuntu 13.10 system?
[21:36] <theteju> Unfortunately I do not know how to fix it :(
[21:36] <nannes> edburns: Of course. Different Lubuntu versions have different kernel versions
[21:36] <nannes> Because times goes on... and kernel gets updated
[21:36] <nannes> gets new drivers for the most recent devices, and also some fixes for the old ones
[21:37] <nannes> But in your case, I think you don't need them, cause you didn't complain for any issue not working
[21:37] <edburns> nannes: Well, I guess I want to know how to make it so GRUB always boots the 3.8.0-33-generic kernel, since the 3.11.0-13-generic flat out does not work at all.
[21:37] <nannes> considering, instead, that the newest kernel doesn't even let you boot, then... I can say there are no doubts
[21:38] <theteju> and of course  the live cd also does not make it to graphics
[21:38] <nannes> edburns: That's very simple, you just need to edit a special file
[21:38] <nannes> /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[21:38] <nannes> but very carefully, It's delicate. I can help you with that
[21:39] <edburns> nannes: ok.
[21:39] <edburns> It says, "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE".
[21:39] <edburns> Hmm.
[21:40] <theteju> nannes: is there any command to boot in safe graphical mode?
[21:41] <nannes> edburns: I did edit it. That sentence is in there to avoid newbies from modifying it causing malfunctioning problems
[21:42] <edburns> nannes: Let me pastebin my current grub.cfg
[21:42] <Unit193> Um, no.  It says right below it why you aren't supposed to edit it. >_<
[21:43] <nannes> theteju: Of course, there is a grub parameter. BUT I would suggest you to try another way first
[21:43] <Unit193> theteju: Did you try booting removing the boot options  quiet splash  or adding  nomodeset  ?
[21:43] <nannes> You should try  the  "nomodeset" parameter
[21:43] <deleted_> you can edit your grub file lol
[21:43] <edburns> nannes: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3712429
[21:44] <Unit193> deleted_: Sure, but the next time you update your kernel, grub, initramfs, or who knows what else it'll just overwrite any modifications you made.
[21:44] <edburns> Unit193: I tend to agree.
[21:44] <edburns> If you have a code generating system, it's better to make the changes upstream.
[21:44] <theteju> OK : trying nomodeset anything else?
[21:44] <nannes> theteju:  this is the way: when you get to grub, you select your Ubuntu, but instead of pressing enter, you press 'E' key. You'll get to the boot string. In there you should remove "quiet splash" and put "nomodeset" instead. (of course without quotes)
[21:45] <theteju> acpi =off  or noapic?
[21:45] <theteju> or Option F6 allows me to select nomodeset
[21:46] <nannes> theteju: F6 is only for the installation process
[21:46] <theteju> ok hold on
[21:47] <nannes> edburns: well, then of course you can just remove the newest kernel, and its grub entry will disappear
[21:47] <edburns> nannes: That seems reasonable.
[21:47] <nannes> That's if you wanna avoid editing grub.cfg
[21:48] <Unit193> edburns: Trying to stick with a Raring kernel in Saucy?  The ramifications of that will be no security updates for it.
[21:48] <edburns> Unit193: Yes, that was what I was worried about.
[21:49] <edburns> Of course, this is just an old laptop that always runs inside my home firewall.
[21:50] <Unit193> Sure, and either way you go, good to know what the downside is. :)
[21:50] <theteju> nannes : nomodeset ,,, I saw bunch of texts while it tried to boot but I am again stuck with nothing on the screen, ...... (booting from livecd)
[21:51] <nannes> theteju: Sorry.. haven't you already installed it?!
[21:51] <edburns> Unit193: That's why I was trying to get the kernel that came with 13.10 to work.  But all the advice seems to be: don't bother, reinstall the system fresh with Ubuntu 12.04
[21:51] <theteju> Yes I have already installed it
[21:51] <edburns> I don't want to do that because I like lxde and the feel of Lubuntu.
[21:52] <edburns> nannes: And I can do that from within GRUB itself, right?
[21:52] <nannes> theteju: Then why are you trying to boot from the liveCD ?!
[21:53] <nannes> edburns: do what?
[21:53] <edburns> nannes: Delete the 3.1.11 kernel entry?
[21:54] <nannes> From GRUB? Are you kidding' :)
[21:54] <nannes> I told you to uninstall the kernel package, for it to disappear from grub
[21:54] <theteju> nannes : booting from the hard drive, does not show me any grub option, I am straight to the "Lubuntu Logo" and stuck there.
[21:54] <nannes> So you *must* do it into a booted system.. sudo apt-get remove
[21:54] <Unit193> edburns: So, you installed the kernel and all, did you try to get more verbose output from grub to see exactly what went wrong, or regenerating the initramfs?
[21:54] <theteju> nannes : the system has only Lubuntu
[21:55] <theteju> Hitting E or anything while booting does not do anything
[21:55] <edburns> Unit193: I did neither of those things.
[21:55] <nannes> theteju: For the grub screen to appear, hold shift
[21:55] <Unit193> Well, I'd say it'd be worth a shot.
[21:55] <edburns> Unit193: Sure, can you tell me how to try that?
[21:56] <edburns> Unit193: All the diagnostic information I obtained is in the thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2191476
[21:56] <theteju> ok wait
[21:57] <Unit193> edburns: Well, you could purge the 3.11 kernel then reinstall it, or you could  sudo update-initramfs -c -k all
[21:58] <edburns> Unit193: Now I have a correspondence question.  If I boot into the 3.8 kernel and do the update-initramfs, does that apply to all kernels on the system?
[21:58] <edburns> Unit193: In other words, does each kernel have its own initramfs?
[21:58] <theteju> nannes : ok, upon holding screen I see computername @ login and it starting  ... and then blank screen again
[21:59] <theteju> Perhaps thats because, I choose to log in with out password during installation
[21:59] <Unit193> edburns: Yes, each kernel gets it's own initramfs, and this command re-creates all of them.  You can modify the -k all  switch to just create the new one.
[21:59] <theteju> But I do not get to the grub screen
[21:59] <edburns> Unit193: I'd like to not modify the 3.8 one, just the 3.11 one.
[21:59] <theteju> nannes : I appreciate your support
[22:00] <theteju> is there any other key I can try to get to grub menu?
[22:00] <edburns> Unit193: How do I discover the set of valid values for update-initramfs ?
[22:00] <edburns> That is, for the -k argument.
[22:01] <edburns> Is it the actual kernel name, such as "3.11.0-13-generic"?
[22:01] <Unit193> Yes.
[22:01] <nannes> theteju: That's so strange--- try holding/releasing shift   but also ESCAPE sometimes
[22:01] <nannes> maybe it's the right instant that you're missing
[22:02] <edburns> Unit193: I'll give that a shot.
[22:02] <nannes> I mean, destroy that keyboard with shift and/or escape, theteju  ;) ;)
[22:02] <Unit193> edburns: If that's a no-go, have grub show you more verbose output.
[22:02] <theteju> ok
[22:03] <theteju> ;)
[22:03] <theteju> ok got to the grub menu
[22:03] <theteju> hit "E'
[22:03] <nannes> theteju: select the ubuntu entry and hit  E... ok
[22:03] <nannes> now you should see the whole boot string
[22:03] <nannes> look for                 quiet splash
[22:04] <edburns> Unit193: How do I do that?
[22:04] <theteju> ok
[22:05] <theteju> and replace it with "nomodeset"
[22:05] <theteju> ?
[22:06] <Unit193> edburns: While booting, hit shift to bring up the menu (if required), then E to edit the selected option, and scroll down and remove  quiet splash  or edit /etc/default/grub to make that change stick. (running update-grub afterwards.)
[22:07] <theteju> nannes: no Luck, I think I need to load correct module for my graphic card
[22:07] <theteju> nothing comes up on the screen
[22:09] <theteju> nannes: isn't vesa is the most basic graphic driver?
[22:13] <nannes> theteju: ok, but I mean, when you can't boot to graphic mode you could normally be able to enter tty1 nuh?!
[22:14] <nannes> aren't you?
[22:17] <theteju> I could not..
[22:18] <theteju> tty1 : should come on when I press ctrl alt F1 , correct?
[22:18] <theteju> i tried, xforcevesa, and now I see bunch of messages while loading,, but it gets stuck
[22:19] <theteju> the last line reads " starting Send an event to indicate plymouth is up
[22:20] <edburns> Unit193: Well, the update-initramfs option didn't work.
[22:20] <edburns> Unit193: Let me see  about more verbose output.
[22:20] <Unit193> Bah. :/
[22:20] <nannes> plymouth? on lubuntu? are you kidding?
[22:21] <nannes> ohoh nothing, that's even in lubuntu
[22:21] <nannes> didn't know it :S
[22:21] <nannes> So bad
[22:22] <edburns> Unit193: Last line is about Probing EISA bus 0.
[22:22] <edburns> Unit193: That's where it stops.
[22:22] <theteju> nannes: what can I put on grub to load the most basic graphic driver option
[22:22] <nannes> theteju: Besides nomodset, have you tried acpi=off   OR  nolapic   instead?
[22:22] <nannes> theteju: It should do that by default, when it realizes that the normal driver isn't working
[22:23] <theteju> nannes : where should I add all those options , I mean which line?
[22:24] <Unit193> edburns: Bug #1251816
[22:24] <nannes> theteju: Anyway, the safemode should be included in the "recovery mode"
[22:24] <nannes> theteju: Always replacing "quiet splash"
[22:24] <nannes> theteju: you remove them, and try with acpi=off
[22:25] <nannes> if it doesn't work, your last try can be nolapic
[22:25] <theteju> ok
[22:25] <nannes> Then, if Even nolapic works, you should use "recovery mode" http://i.stack.imgur.com/flb5H.png that includes safeGraphics mode
[22:27] <edburns> Unit193: Wow, how about that.
[22:28] <Unit193> edburns: Yep, so it's known and they're making some progress on it, good to know and now you have something to follow.  As a workaround, stick with 3.8 for now, and monitor that bug.
[22:28] <edburns> Unit193: That's pretty much a happy ending, as far as this goes.  Thanks.
[22:29] <Unit193> Sure, bummer there's no fix right now, but all in all not too shabby.
[22:29] <nannes> when the bug will get a fix, there will already be available the next lubuntu LTS
[22:29] <nannes> :D
[22:29] <nannes> and... everything will just work fine
[22:30] <theteju> nannes : i am giving up
[22:30] <nannes> theteju: why? :O
[22:31] <theteju> Now again I cant get to the grub menu ,, hitting all the keys... as My system got tolerent lol
[22:35] <edburns> Thanks everyone.  Bye bye.
[22:35] <theteju> ok I am back
[22:35] <theteju> trying acpi=off first
[22:37] <nannes> ok ;)
[22:40] <theteju> NO luck, now trying nolapic
[22:41] <nannes> ufff:(
[22:41] <nannes> I mean, we need at least access to a terminal
[22:41] <theteju> nannes: there is no recovery mode option on my grub menu
[22:41] <nannes> theteju: Lubuntu version?
[22:41] <theteju> I believe, its the graphic card, 13.10
[22:41] <theteju> the latest
[22:45] <nannes> great. I can give you the recovery boot parameters so that you can manually put them on
[22:46] <nannes> are u still there? alive? :D
[22:48] <nannes> theteju: ^^
[22:51] <theteju> I am alive
[22:51] <theteju> lets do this
[22:52] <nannes> theteju: I'm just curious, how the heck did you make the installation if there was this boot problem :S
[22:52] <theteju> well, I chose install, option from live cd and all went well
[22:53] <theteju> the screen resolution was perfect during installation
[22:53] <nannes> oh ..
[22:53] <theteju> OK wait, has it something to do with my partition selections,, i made
[22:53] <theteju> my own partitions,,,
[22:53] <theteju> like  /   /tmp    /home    /usr and swap
[22:54] <nannes> :S
[22:54] <nannes> well that's no problem, just... you should know what you're doing when you do something like that
[22:54] <nannes> What kind of partition table did you use? GPT or MBR ?
[22:55] <theteju> nannes : Oh I dont know that.
[22:55] <nannes> :O
[22:55] <nannes> ok, do you have any other OS installed in there? winzozz?
[22:56] <theteju> nannes : I had, PClinuxOS installed
[22:56] <theteju> nannes: I am going to try reinstall and this time let the CD pick its own partition
[22:56] <theteju> or I will just do /swap  ,  / and /home
[22:57] <theteju> nannes: should I try that?
[22:57] <nannes> well, calm, I don't think it will change that much
[22:57] <nannes> it's just so strange that you don't have recovery mode
[22:57] <nannes> to add it to the grub you need to boot another OS, and edit grub.cfg
[22:58] <theteju> ok wait
[22:59] <theteju> I got to recovery option, it was under ubuntu advance
[22:59] <theteju> boot from there?
[22:59] <nannes> yes :)
[23:00] <theteju> nannes: i am on the recovery menu
[23:00] <theteju> nannes : drop to root shell ?
[23:00] <nannes> Can you list are the available entries?
[23:00] <theteju> resume, clean, dpkg, grub, network, root, system-summary
[23:01] <nannes> isn't there a safe-graphics mode?
[23:01] <theteju> NO,
[23:02] <theteju> Can't we check the logs, by going to root shell?
[23:02] <nannes> of course we can
[23:03] <nannes> I wouldn't even waste time with logs, I think I should focus on the hw. That's the issue. Do you have internet (LAN) connection in there?
[23:03] <theteju> ok I am in the /var/log
[23:03] <theteju> NO I do not,, Only wireless
[23:04] <theteju> I am at my college
[23:04] <nannes> and is it working now? can you check yourself or you need help?
[23:05] <theteju> nannes : I am trying , :P
[23:06] <nannes> is the wlan password-protected theteju?
[23:06] <theteju> NO there is an open network here at college
[23:07] <theteju> I am not sure how to configure via command line though
[23:07] <nannes> Great.  I can help you
[23:07] <nannes> sudo ifconfig     shows the available interfaces. run it
[23:07] <theteju> says command not found
[23:07] <nannes> I hope you won't need any wireless driver for the chipset to work, or you're fucked up ;P
[23:08] <nannes> are you kidding? come on, ifconfig
[23:08] <theteju> strange, even lspci command not found
[23:08] <nannes> ohhh you're already root, don't use sudo
[23:08] <nannes> lspci not found o.O
[23:08] <theteju> ok
[23:08] <theteju> ifconfig
[23:08] <nannes> man, did your system mount all the necessary partitions? (tmp,home,etc) ?
[23:09] <theteju> I dont see my wlan0
[23:09] <theteju> nannes : I am sensing, its the partition issue
[23:09] <nannes> Yes, if you can't run lspci there's a big problem with partitions
[23:10] <nannes> the   mount   command will show you all the mounted partitions
[23:11] <theteju> mount command,, looks like they are mounted
[23:12] <theteju> nannes : I am going to try reinstall
[23:13] <nannes> yeah, great decision
[23:13] <theteju> nannes : lspci does not work,, but lsmod works
[23:14] <theteju> nannes : how to check video module is loaded on lsmod or not?
[23:14] <nannes> :/
[23:14] <nannes> man
[23:14] <nannes> really
[23:15] <nannes> it's really an odd issue
[23:15] <theteju> video   18777 0  "lsmod | grep video"
[23:15] <nannes> Anywa, you could also try  lshw
[23:15] <theteju> command not found
[23:17] <nannes> great. reinstall.
[23:17] <nannes> lol
[23:17] <theteju> yep : no module loaded for Graphic card
[23:17] <theteju> now quick question before I try that
[23:18] <theteju> is there any way we can find out what module loads during install option? for the video card?
[23:18] <melodie> theteju with the Xorg logs
[23:18] <melodie> in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:20] <theteju> OK guys, On my way to reinstall.
[23:20] <theteju> This time, I will let the system decide partitions
[23:20] <theteju> :P
[23:22] <theteju> See,,, install option, the screen loads up with beautiful UI on this screen
[23:23] <nannes> what a bummer, uh? :P
[23:24] <theteju> I know, it walks me through,, install process,,, and then f*** me up
[23:25] <theteju> nannes : I erased all partition,, will pick only three basics,, /  swap and /home
[23:26] <theteju> nannes: any advise?
[23:26] <theteju> on partitioning
[23:27] <nannes> theteju: It depends on the hdd size
[23:28] <theteju> only 40
[23:28] <theteju> GB
[23:28] <theteju> I created 10g  /     3 gb swap and remainiing /home
[23:28] <nannes> That's reasonable
[23:28] <theteju> first is /  second is /home (logical)  third is Swap  (primary)
[23:29] <nannes> ok
[23:29] <nannes> Are you sure your hdd is in good conditions? Have you recently done an hdd test?
[23:29]  * theteju crossing fingures
[23:29] <theteju> it was running previous OS fine
[23:30] <theteju> I just could not get network card working on PClinuxOS ,,, so,,
[23:31] <theteju> its copying files... lets see...
[23:43] <mrbean> Hi, xfce4 in xubuntu is different from the one in lubuntu, why? what packages lubuntu doesn't install? or is it due to the graphic card.
[23:45] <nannes> mrbean: The xfce4 metapackage is the same in all the *ubuntu distros
[23:46] <mrbean> ok. I installed lubuntu with xfce4, then I downloaded the xubuntu iso, and they are different. Could it be my video memory? both 13.10
[23:48] <nannes> Your nickname is very adequate to the situation
[23:48] <nannes> Why install Lubuntu if you want xfce as DE?!?!
[23:49] <mrbean> hahaha, you're so funny.
[23:49] <mrbean> I don't want xfce4, it's something I noticed.
[23:49] <nannes> And also, why do you think the size of an installation ISO should be equal to the size of your installed distro with your weird modifications?!
[23:50] <mrbean> Sorry, did I talk about size? when?
[23:50] <nannes> oh ok.
[23:50] <nannes> So... you installed lubuntu, and next installed xfce over it. Where's the sense?
[23:50] <mrbean> I meant lubuntu and xubuntu regarding XFCE4, not the install size.
[23:50] <nannes> can you please answer my last question?
[23:51] <mrbean> Sorry, it's called curiosity.
[23:51] <mrbean> Next time I'll ask for your permission to install packages or not in my computer. Next saturday.
[23:52] <mrbean> Really helpul, thank you.
[23:52] <Unit193> Well...  Easy answer, default config.
[23:53] <theteju> WOW ,,, people are rude !!
[23:54] <theteju> This is all because, of XBOX and PS4s   :P
[23:55] <Unit193> nannes: Might be more helpful to actually answer the question if you know it, and if not leaving it to someone that does would be the more helpful thing.
[23:57] <nannes> I would have answered Unit193, he just ran away too quickly. I'm chatting in many rooms, and encounter so many weird people that sometimes I answer like that. Again, If I had read "curiosity" before he quitted, I would have answered. Sorry anyway, didn't want to be rude, but just coherent
[23:58] <theteju> I dont see your fault nannes
[23:58] <theteju> he just did not have patience.. ,, (again in my opinion) lol,, and I blame Xbox or PS3;4 for loss of patience,, May be apple devices too
[23:58] <theteju> hehehehe
[23:59] <theteju> Damm,,, I am stuck again on lubuntu log on screen
[23:59] <theteju> which means,, the driver loaded for install process ,, is the one works for my PC,, upon installation, what ever the driver or module loads ,, does not work


[20:10] <sadmac2> Keybuk: how do you feel about Dracut? Is Ubuntu interested?
[20:26] <Keybuk> yes
[20:31] <sadmac2> Keybuk: ah cool. I haven't done much with it yet myself. Fedora's test day for that feature is Thursday
[20:34] <Stevee> good evening
[20:35] <Stevee> i´ve some problems with upstart and shutting down the system
[20:39] <sadmac2> Stevee: go ahead
[20:40] <Stevee> good evening
[20:40] <Stevee> yes
[20:40] <Stevee> i´m using the current version 0.6.3
[20:40] <Stevee> without compatiblity mode
[20:41] <Stevee> on reboot i´m using reboot with the flag -f
[20:41] <Stevee> and it works correctly
[20:41] <Stevee> but halt with -f doesnt work
[20:41] <Stevee> if i try other flags like -n for now
[20:42] <Stevee> the services are stopping
[20:42] <Stevee> by the shutdown event
[20:42] <Stevee> but the system doesnt power off
[20:42] <Stevee> here is my shutdown script
[20:42] <Stevee> http://git.ipfire.org/?p=ipfire-3.x.git;a=blob;f=src/initscripts/core/shutdown.conf;h=63d04acbb0a1a74b40c79f4c76a02e939b88447c;hb=master
[20:43] <sadmac2> Stevee: your start on stanzas are wrong for one. you can only have one start on stanza now
[20:43] <sadmac2> Stevee: start on shutdown or reboot
[20:45] <Stevee> oh
[20:47] <Stevee> okay, but the system reboot correctly
[20:47] <sadmac2> Stevee: if you have two start on stanzas only the second one works
[20:47] <Stevee> oh okay
[20:49] <Stevee> okay, here is the link to the new file
[20:49] <Stevee> http://git.ipfire.org/?p=ipfire-3.x.git;a=blob;f=src/initscripts/core/shutdown.conf;h=394b2274636e58ed9bef1b58150b87a2b0ad3079;hb=1237e47913328b79e5908d0d2c77f855c054ac04
[20:50] <sadmac2> that looks like it should work
[20:50] <Stevee> do i need the poweroff binary
[20:50] <Stevee> ?
[20:51] <Stevee> and the shutdown binary ?
[20:51] <sadmac2> I don't believe so
[20:51] <Stevee> atm they are deleted, because shutdown is for the compatiblity mode
[20:52] <ion> keybuk: Btw, anything new with the mount daemon?
[20:53] <Stevee> okay, now it wokrs
[20:54] <Stevee> i´ve got a message System halted.
[20:55] <Stevee> thanks for the help sadmac2
[20:56] <sadmac2> np
[21:00] <ion> http://www.microsoft.com/businessproductivity/default.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/poland/businessproductivity/default.mspx
[21:00] <Stevee> is upstart also going to replace cron ( frcon )
[21:01] <sadmac2> Stevee: it probably will grow cron or cron-like functionality.
[21:02] <Stevee> when is this feature planned ?
[21:02] <Stevee> or is it already implemented ?
[21:04] <sadmac2> Stevee: its kind of in the air
[21:04] <sadmac2> Stevee: maybe Keybuk knows
[21:06] <Stevee> is there a chance for this feature or is it only some kinde in the air ?
[21:07] <_|ms|_> good evening
[21:09] <ion> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Initrdrewrite#Initial_ideas seems against the idea of making initrd as tiny as possible for speed.
[21:09] <ion> ...regarding Dracut
[21:09] <sadmac2> ion: what parts?
[21:09] <ion> “Include all drivers” mainly
[21:10] <sadmac2> ion: well.. dumb question
[21:10] <sadmac2> ion: if you couple it with the "just build everything in" philosophy it could work out.
[21:11] <sadmac2> I haven't pulled it apart yet. I dunno what to expect.
[21:11] <_|ms|_> dracut seems to be a nice idea... but some kind of hard to build in :(
[21:12] <Stevee> sadmac2: do you know if there is a real change to replace cron with upstart or is it just a nice idea ?
[21:13] <sadmac2> Stevee: I'm betting it will happen. When and what it will look like... Scott has the only roadmap in his head (his FOSDEM talk might have some strong hints though).
[21:13] <Stevee> oh, thats fine
[21:13] <Stevee> hopefully it will be soon
[21:13] <_|ms|_> is there a link to the talk?
[21:14] <_|ms|_> may be a video link?!
[21:15] <sadmac2> _|ms|_: yes...
[21:17] <sadmac2> ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/fosdem-video/2009/maintracks/upstart.xvid.avi
[21:17] <sadmac2> whew that was hard to find
[21:18] <_|ms|_> thanks :D
[21:19] <_|ms|_> I have missed some info about the fosdem talks...
[21:29] <_|ms|_> guys, I have to leave now... see you soon... gn8
[21:53] <Stevee> guys, i´ve to go now, see you soon, thanks again for your help sadmac2
[21:53] <Stevee> good night


[15:13] <ryanakca> newz2000: Is the feature tour meeting this week or next?
[15:14] <newz2000> hey ryanakca
[15:14] <newz2000> I've been asking the same question. It was supposed to be this week but it's being put off for an inderterminate period of time
[15:15] <newz2000> Are you wanting to build one for kubuntu and re-use ours if possible?
[15:17] <ryanakca> Yes
[15:18] <newz2000> ryanakca: I'd suggest if this is an important feature to move forward without us
[15:18] <newz2000> do you ahve a list of requirements?
[15:18] <ryanakca> OK. Nope, at the UDS all that was decided was that "We want a feature tour"
[15:19] <newz2000> Well, here are some things to consider...
[15:19] <newz2000> the ubuntu one has too much text and too small graphics
[15:19] <ryanakca> well, "Feature tour like the Ubuntu.com one http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/904features/ " is what the spec says.
[15:19] <newz2000> don't copy that for sure
[15:19] <newz2000> you can do a lot better with less work
[15:20] <newz2000> You may want to consider nice large images and the main point you want to tell be text overlayed onto the graphic
[15:20] <newz2000> so that people can get the visual and basic info in one glance
[15:20] <newz2000> Also, one thing that may not be obvious about our feture tour is that it showcases ubuntu, not necessarily ubuntu 9.04
[15:21] <newz2000> for each new release we don't do a total revamp, since some of the things that make Ubuntu so great do not change from release to release
[15:21]  * ryanakca nods
[22:23] <newz2000> I'm setting a goal to close 10 bugs a day on ubuntu-website. Got 12 yesterday and 12 today.
[22:23] <newz2000> \o/
[22:24] <newz2000> BTW, it's been idle in here too long
[22:24] <newz2000> it's that time of the release where we start to kick things into gear. Hope y'all are ready.
[22:24] <knome> hello newz2000 :)
[22:24] <newz2000> hi knome!
[22:24]  * knome kicks an empty cola bottle in the corner
[22:24] <newz2000> July was a busy busy month for me
[22:25] <newz2000> but it's ok, I'm back
[22:25] <knome> july was definitely busy
[22:36] <knome> this week has been even more busy, though
[23:47] <SiDi> hey newz2000
[23:47] <SiDi> can i kick knome too ? :D
[23:48] <knome> meh
[23:48] <SiDi> (if you have some free time, try to fix ubuntu.com's mainpage when images / js are disabled ;) )
[23:49] <knome> "you" == ?
[23:49] <SiDi> == newz2000
[23:50] <SiDi> (i should have answered SyntaxError near '==')
[23:50] <knome> bah
[23:51] <knome> i'm hibernating ->
[23:51] <SiDi> the kernel supports hibernating knomes ? :O
[23:53] <MTeck> newz2000: so - will there be no pointer created?


[04:28] <wgrant> WTF is ~itiseasy-org, and why has it uploaded several hundred packages overnight?
[04:28] <wgrant> Like we needed more in the queue...
[06:08] <lifeless> wgrant: dunno
[06:21] <wgrant> lifeless: Could you land https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/replace-archiveuploader-doctests-0/+merge/30850? You approved it a week ago.
[06:27] <lifeless> kicking it off
[06:28] <lifeless> wgrant: you didn't find anyone to do it for a week ?
[06:29] <wgrant> lifeless: No, I just forgot about it.
[06:29] <lifeless> :)
[06:30] <wgrant> Thanks.
[06:31] <wgrant> Do we have working feature flag support yet?
[06:31] <wgrant> I saw some stuff land.
[06:31] <wgrant> And I'd like to disable something with it, if it does indeed exist...
[06:31] <lifeless> db-devel only
[06:32] <lifeless> could probably port the interface to devel
[06:32] <lifeless> with some care
[06:32] <wgrant> No need.
[06:32] <lifeless> and then your thing would be disabled by it but able to be controlled on staging & next release
[06:32] <wgrant> There's only a few days left until the freeze.
[06:33] <lifeless> last freeze ever!
[06:33] <wgrant> Oh?
[06:33] <wgrant> We're moving to the new merge workflow for 10.09?
[06:33] <wgrant> Well, what was 10.09.
[06:33] <lifeless> I think all the bits are in place
[06:34] <lifeless> if not then very very close
[06:34] <wgrant> Wow.
[06:34] <wgrant> That was swift.
[06:34]  * wgrant whines about tree builds taking far too long.
[06:35] <wgrant> 4 minutes and counting...
[06:35] <lifeless> wgrant: using ?
[06:35] <lifeless> wgrant: well the basic bits are:
[06:36] <wgrant> lifeless: The initial make in a new branch.
[06:36] <lifeless>  - a daily staging [trivialish]
[06:36] <lifeless>  - a way to disable stuff [feature flags, rough but usable]
[06:36] <lifeless>  - new QA toolchain/automation [done, I believe]
[06:37] <wgrant> Right, I wan't aware that the last bit was even started.
[06:37] <wgrant> So the new system will take all the branches in the queue, merge them, test them as a whole, then commit them?
[06:39] <lifeless> no
[06:39] <lifeless> thats totally different
[06:39] <wgrant> Oh.
[06:39] <wgrant> So just the new QA workflow, not the new merge workflow?
[06:39] <lifeless> thats an optimisation for landing stuff
[06:39] <wgrant> Ah.
[06:39] <wgrant> I se.
[06:39] <lifeless> https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/ReleaseFeaturesWhenTheyAreDone
[06:40] <lifeless> https://dev.launchpad.net/MergeWorkflowDraft specifically
[06:40] <lifeless> https://dev.launchpad.net/MergeWorkflowDraft?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=merge-workflow-draft-2.jpeg is the thing we drew
[06:40] <lifeless> or maris drew, I should say
[06:41] <wgrant> Hm. that looks a lot simpler than the last draft I saw.
[06:41] <lifeless> if the last thing you was before the epic, then yes
[06:41] <wgrant> Right.
[06:41] <lifeless> We revisited the entire proposal there
[06:43] <lifeless> we also need a patch to make 'edge' behaviour depend on the vhost, not on the confi
[06:43] <lifeless> config
[06:43] <lifeless> I don't think anyone has done that yet, would be nice to do.
[06:45] <lifeless> though the meaning of edge is going to erode pretty quickly
[06:48] <wgrant> Yes.
[06:49] <wgrant> I also suppose that the automation of service restarts should make DB upgrades a whole lot quicker.
[06:49] <lifeless> oh yeah thats the other key thing, but its necessary for ratcheting up the frequency, not for switching at all
[06:50] <wgrant> Yep.
[11:13] <lifeless> wgrant: nuts
[15:47] <wgrant> lifeless: Um, devel is broken on 2.5?
[15:47] <wgrant> Ew.
[15:50] <wgrant> I don't see how that happens, unless people aren't ec2ing branches before landing...
[16:01] <jelmer> hey wgrant
[16:03] <wgrant> Morning jelmer.
[16:03] <jelmer> wgrant, it's broken how?
[16:03] <wgrant> jelmer: test_sourcepackagerecipe.py doesn't appear to import with_statement.
[16:04] <jelmer> ah
[16:04] <jelmer> wgrant, not everybody uses ec2, some people run make test locally
[22:17] <wgrant> Can someone please EC2 https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/replace-archiveuploader-doctests-0/+merge/30850? It was caught in the devel breakage last night.
[22:17] <wgrant> So, the build farm has currently been unusable for five days.
[22:17] <wgrant> I am failing to see how this is not a critical service issue.
[22:18] <wgrant> One of Launchpad's most popular features is broken.
[22:22] <lifeless> wgrant: kicked it off again
[22:22] <lifeless> wgrant: uhm, I think its an important issue.
[22:22] <wgrant> It happens time and time again.
[22:23] <lifeless> wgrant: builds > builders for extended periods, + starvation events ?
[22:24] <wgrant> lifeless: The sustained reduction of the build farm is an issue.
[22:24] <wgrant> As well as prioritisation during extended starvation events.
[22:24] <wgrant> But new builds will be waiting for nearly four days.
[22:25] <lifeless> so, the whole scoring thing is what drives starvation
[22:25] <lifeless> its implementation not policy, and because its complex few people can actually see clearly to define a policy
[22:25] <wgrant> Scoring doesn't drive starvation. It just means that the dailies build before the realtime packages.
[22:25] <wgrant> So it exacerbates the effects.
[22:26] <lifeless> I disagree, but this is an assessment of the impact of the design choice; we both agree that the behaviour is undesirable
[22:26] <wgrant> Starvation is going to occur whatever the ordering of the builds.
[22:26] <wgrant> It's just going to be less noticable if realtime stuff builds first.
[22:27] <lifeless> by realtime do you mean 'manually uploaded single packages' ?
[22:27] <wgrant> Yes.
[22:27] <wgrant> Things that aren't going to be unnoticed if they don't build for a few days.
[22:27] <wgrant> ie. not dailies, and not rebuilds.
[22:27] <lifeless> sure
[22:28] <lifeless> so short term, we can futz with the scoring algorithms
[22:28] <lifeless> builder shortages, and inefficient use of builders, exacerbate the situation
[22:28] <wgrant> Longer-term: where did all those builders go for two or three days?
[22:28] <lifeless> QA
[22:28] <lifeless> only a fraction of the PPA buildds are dedicated to LP
[22:28] <wgrant> Odd that it takes so long.
[22:28] <wgrant> I know, yes.
[22:29] <wgrant> But normally they're only gone for a day at most.
[22:29] <wgrant> Except when they're taken for mirrors.
[22:29] <lifeless> the handover isn't flawless
[22:29] <lifeless> so one possibility is a failed handover and they end up in limbo
[22:30] <lifeless> a system wide failure in the handover would explain a batch not coming back
[22:31] <lifeless> anyhow, with bigjools fix to the sequences nearly here
[22:31] <lifeless> your branch is testing
[22:31] <wgrant> Thanks.
[22:31] <lifeless> s/sequences/sequencer/ we should get much more juice from the buildds, and be in a good position to talk about expanding the farm with less transient resources
[22:32] <wgrant> Right.
[22:32] <wgrant> Although buildd-manager isn't toooo bad with this few builders.
[23:26] <james_w> if someone is bored: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~james-w/launchpad/buildout-doc/+merge/31465
[23:27] <james_w> wgrant: has a scheduler based on quotas for people/archives been discussed?
[23:28] <wgrant> james_w: Discussed? No.
[23:28] <wgrant> It gets mentioned occasionally.
[23:28] <wgrant> But nothing comes of it.
[23:29] <james_w> what do we need to do to get a new scheduling algorithm?
[23:30] <wgrant> 1) Adjust findBuildCandidate
[23:30] <james_w> is it just a case of trying something, or does there need to be a discussion about what direction to go in?
[23:30] <wgrant> 2) Adjust dispatch time estimation
[23:30] <wgrant> I don't know.
[23:30] <wgrant> 1) is easy.
[23:30] <wgrant> 2) is very difficult.
[23:30] <wgrant> So it's not as easy as it was two years ago :(
[23:31] <wgrant> Although, if the current trend continues we can just replace the estimation with 'give up'.
[23:32] <james_w> p.s. I have an ArchiveCollection running through ec2 to catch any issues before review, and I'm currently taking a hatchet to some soyuz tests to remove sampledata uses
[23:32] <james_w> yay for a bored weekend
[23:32] <wgrant> Ooh, excellent.
[23:33] <wgrant> I've been meaning to see how many tests I can get to not use sampledata simply by tweaking STP.
[23:35] <james_w> yeah, I'd never seen it before, but I'm mainly stopping things from using that
[23:35] <james_w> the factory is just about as good for the uses I have seen so far
[23:36] <wgrant> Oh.
[23:36] <wgrant> STP is use pretty extensively throughout the test suite (including brand new stuff).
[23:36] <james_w> yeah
[23:37] <wgrant> It probably should be merged into the factory, but it does lots of stuff that the factory does not.
[23:38] <wgrant> I'm also not a fan of the factory's monolithic approach.
[23:38] <wgrant> It doesn't seem to be very compatible with the ongoing attempts at modularity.
[23:42] <james_w> indeed
[23:42] <james_w> I've only gone through about 10 methods so far, and they made little use of the publisher I think
[23:43] <wgrant> For a lot of things, makeBinaryPackagePublishingHistory will indeed suffice.


[00:38] <drummer> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20160420.1  <--  is that the final build?
[00:43] <nedstark> drummer, i think you have discovered the final
[00:59] <daed> i've had a problem with the menu bar staying on top of every fullscreen app for the last 3 years in every ubuntu version... it covers VLC, netflix in firefox, netflix in chrome, fullscreen youtube, anything
[01:00] <daed> on second monitor
[01:00] <daed> problem persists in 16.04
[01:00] <daed> problem persists on every graphics card/driver/computer that i own
[01:00] <nedstark> even in other desktops?
[01:01] <daed> i have 2 monitors, the one on the right is the one i want to watch things in full screen
[01:01] <daed> i don't mind the top menu staying on the left monitor
[01:01] <daed> since nothing is fullscreen there
[01:01] <nedstark> is this just in unity?
[01:01] <daed> i think so? default ubuntu install
[01:01] <nedstark> try another one like xfce
[01:02] <daed> yeah, that's my problem
[01:02] <daed> i spent months in xfce
[01:02] <daed> but i can't get the mac expose^ type features
[01:02] <daed> i switched back to unity specifically for that feature
[01:02] <daed> skippy-xd does not have the same smooth compositing
[01:02] <daed> so i either have to give up expose functionality, or i have to live with a menu blocking my fullscreen video
[01:03] <nedstark> have you tried gnome 3?
[01:03] <daed> i think i did via fedora
[01:03] <nedstark> gnome 3 is pretty good with compositing
[01:03] <daed> i'm not sure if gnome 3 has expose
[01:03] <daed> but it might beat xfce workflow
[01:04] <daed> is there a gnome3 based ubuntu?
[01:04] <nedstark> yes, there's a distro and you can install it from the repos
[01:05] <daed> what's weird is, ubuntu/unity will behave correctly for approximately 15-20 minutes upon login
[01:05] <daed> i can full screen and work on first monitor
[01:05] <daed> but eventually, it will break and maintain persistent menu
[01:05] <daed> so i've just been logging out and logging back in whenever it breaks
[01:05] <nedstark> you can install gnome, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop.    then...sudo service gdm restart
[01:06] <daed> i've noticed 16.04 is 'apt', i like the shorthand already
[01:06] <daed> i'll give that a spin in a VM
[01:06] <nedstark> apt-get is analagous to dnf or zypper, or at least a subset of what they do
[01:07] <daed> yeah i mean the 'apt' command instead of 'apt-get'
[01:07] <daed> not sure if it's an alias or symlink or what, just beats typing apt-get
[01:08] <nedstark> there is also a #ubuntu-gnome
[01:08] <daed> i wish i could explain why unity functioned fine for 30 minutes on each session though :/
[01:09] <nedstark> i am not a unity guy myself
[01:09] <daed> what do you use?
[01:09] <nedstark> gnome3, cinnamon from the ppa, occasionally xfce
[01:09] <nedstark> xfce is great as a fallback when something is messed up on your primary desktop
[01:10] <daed> yeah, i use xfce on my old laptop, i like it
[01:10] <daed> didn't realize you could use cinnamon on ubuntu easily
[01:10] <nedstark> i like cinnamon the best now, you have to install from a ppa
[01:10] <nedstark> they haven't let it into the repos
[01:11] <daed> do you have a url with any details/instructions?
[01:11] <nedstark> although the red hat distros have
[01:11] <daed> i used to use mint/cinnamon 2 years ago
[01:11] <daed> i liked it back then
[01:11] <nedstark> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/02/how-to-upgrade-cinnamon-2-8-ubuntu-14-04-lts
[01:12] <daed> hmm, you're on 14.04?
[01:12] <nedstark> yes
[01:12] <daed> i've got a 14.04 image already, maybe i should give that a shot first
[01:12] <nedstark> this gives the instructions for 15.10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro9YKsarj54
[01:12] <daed> unless you think 15.10 might be more stable
[01:13] <nedstark> 14.04 is fine, if you're doing a fresh install, i'd just wait until they release 16.04 tomorrow
[01:13] <nedstark> but 14.04 will be supported for years
[01:14] <nedstark> actually 14.04 would probably work better with the ppa, just in case they're some incompatibility created
[01:14] <nedstark> i doubt it, but it might happen
[01:15] <daed> just realized i can't really do my full test without livebooting
[01:15] <daed> since i can't really simulate dual monitor in VMs
[01:15] <daed> i wonder if ubuntu gnome will release 16.04 tomorrow as well
[01:16] <nedstark> yes they are planning to
[01:16] <daed> for what it's worth, i added compile/build instructions of skippy-xd on github for xfce on 15.10
[01:17] <daed> to see if i could mimick unity in xfce
[01:17] <daed> it doesn't have the same smooth transitions, at least i couldn't get it to behave the same
[01:19] <daed> nedstark: https://askubuntu.com/questions/577093/how-to-install-gnome-desktop
[01:19] <daed> this suggests the gnome-shell package as well as ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[01:19] <daed> should i do both?
[01:19] <nedstark> #1
[01:19] <nedstark> the second one gets you the development versions
[01:20] <daed> hmm
[01:20] <nedstark> the 1st is the ubuntu repo version
[01:20] <nedstark> if you install ubuntu-gnome-desktop it should also install gnome-shell, so i don't know why they added that too
[01:20] <daed> ahh
[01:22] <nedstark> you could install it through the software center
[01:22] <daed> i think if i go with gnome, i should probably learn the window workflow
[01:22] <daed> wonder if there's a book on safari, or good videos
[01:22] <nedstark> they have extensive documentation
[01:22] <daed> the mac osx style expose hot corner thing.. is really the only thing i like about unity
[01:23] <nedstark> usually people want to install the applications menu extension and make other tweaks in the gnome-tweak app
[01:23] <nedstark> they have hot corner too
[01:23] <nedstark> cinnamon even has a hot corner option
[01:23] <daed> hot corner to have all windows displayed at once?
[01:23] <nedstark> yes
[01:23] <daed> k, then i definitely need to switch if the multi monitor support is better
[01:24] <nedstark> just get familiar with the tweaks and extensions, because they design the default installation very minimally
[01:25] <nedstark> i would never hand a typical end user a vanilla copy of gnome without tweaks and extensions, it's just not as useful
[01:31] <daed> nedstark: that's the gnome-tweaks package?
[01:33] <nedstark> yes it should be installed by default
[01:35] <daed> ah k
[01:38] <daed> nedstark: it's asking: gdm or lightdm
[01:38] <daed> any suggestions there?
[01:39] <nedstark> add the applications menu extension from the website, add the minimize and maximize buttons
[01:40] <nedstark> change the font to whatever suits you
[01:40] <daed> http://itsfoss.com/switch-gdm-and-lightdm-in-ubuntu-14-04/
[01:40] <daed> gdm is probably better?
[01:40] <nedstark> it should work with both
[01:40] <nedstark> gdm is gnome's though
[01:40] <daed> oh, it's just a login screen basically
[01:41] <daed> i thought it was an underlying component of the whole thing
[01:41] <daed> Ubuntu is supposed to officially replace GDM in favor of the lighter and more easily customizable LightDM
[01:41] <nedstark> yes, gdm is for logins, it lets you select the desktop environment
[01:41] <daed> hmmm
[01:43] <nedstark> you can also use tweak to add icons to the desktop
[01:47] <daed> "native window placement"
[01:47] <daed> looks kinda like expose
[01:48] <nedstark> its a mac imitator for sure
[01:48] <daed> do you use gnome3 multi monitor?
[01:48] <nedstark> i haven't tried that
[01:49] <daed> hypothetical, if i install gnome3 on 16.04, is it easy to completely disable/reverse/uninstall?
[01:49] <daed> i had some nightmares with xfce install on ubuntu and trying to remove it
[01:49] <daed> stuff lingered everywhere and difficult to remove
[01:50] <daed> interfered with the default unity setup etc
[01:50] <nedstark> uninstall can get ugly unless you do it from the console
[01:50] <nedstark> after you uninstall, i'd actually reinstall your preferred desktop to make sure it has everything it needs
[01:50] <nedstark> you may have to manually switch back to lightdm
[01:52] <nedstark> http://askubuntu.com/questions/152256/how-do-i-switch-from-lightdm-to-gdm
[01:53] <daed> man
[01:53] <daed> well, unity has been broken for 3 years, and 16.04 still broken
[01:53] <daed> so i have to switch regardless
[01:54] <daed> plus if nothing else, gnome appears to be FAR more extensible
[01:54] <daed> and i can probably more easily code extensions in it than unity
[01:55] <xenial8user> ha ha ha we beat u http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/quirky6/amd64/releases/xerus-8.0/
[01:55] <daed> xenial8user: i don't get it?
[01:56] <xenial8user> puppy linux quirky built with xenial packages
[01:57] <xenial8user> released already today
[01:57] <daed> what WM does puppy use
[01:57] <nedstark> xenial8user, so now ubuntu is a spinoff of puppylinux?
[01:58] <nedstark> did barry k unretire again?
[01:58] <xenial8user> yes
[01:58] <nedstark> is that 3 times in a year now?
[01:58] <xenial8user> he has occassional bursts
[01:59] <xenial8user> jwm
[01:59] <xenial8user> joes window manager
[01:59] <daed> hmm
[02:00] <daed> i feel like puppy wouldn't really be for me
[02:00] <nedstark> puppy is the linux of ye olde pc
[02:00] <nedstark> the pc's found in pirate shipwrecks
[02:00] <daed> i use xubuntu/xfce for ye olde pcs
[02:00] <xenial8user> how do you know if you havent tried it
[02:00] <daed> xenial8user: if it's lighter than xfce even..
[02:00] <daed> xfce is my limit on bare minimum
[02:00] <nedstark> i tried it, just kidding
[02:01] <nedstark> i used slacko
[02:02] <xenial8user> my netbook is less than a year old and using quirky xenial on it now
[02:03] <nedstark> they talk about "linux on the desktop" all the time as if it's a failure, but the reality of world economics is that most people who'd use linux on the desktop would use it on older or lower power pc's, outside of the big industrialized countries
[02:03] <nedstark> puppy and others should be getting translations for those countries if they want to take that market
[02:03] <xenial8user> new stuff has just been added to deal with latest netbook, efi and stuff like that
[02:04] <xenial8user> we got momanager which does translations to many languages
[02:05] <JiangOil> When will the ubuntu 16.04LTS release ? It is already April 21
[02:05] <nedstark> tomorrow afternoon UK time I've been told
[02:05] <nedstark> thursday afternoon UK time
[02:05] <JiangOil> oh , thanks
[02:09] <xenial8user> http://barryk.org/news/?viewDetailed=00344
[02:15] <nedstark> i will give it a try, i like having a usb bootable os
[02:15] <nedstark> you should make kodi a default app, people would use it just for that off of usb
[02:19] <xenial8user> kodi looks to be in the package manager. most of ubuntu stuff is
[02:20] <nedstark> that is gold to some people
[02:20] <nedstark> you can turn any old pc into a media center
[02:20] <xenial8user> wether or not it would actually install and work without tweaking is another matter. i am not familiar with kodi
[02:21] <xenial8user> after you do the usb instal you can then frugal instal to a drive without affecting other installed OS
[02:26] <xenial8user> NOT TOO SURE ABOUT BLUETOOTH if you want bluetooth stuff that works try another puppy linux derivative  fatdog64-702
[02:45] <squinty> fwiw, ubuntu 16.04 (and earlier), 32 gig usb stick (full ubuntu install) and kodi made a really fine media center for me and the missus for quite a long time.  Just installed a 128 gig ssd into that particular computer....sweet!  10 sec boot up time...  :-)
[02:50] <nedstark> my theory is that linux on the desktop will come through media centers
[02:51] <nedstark> at least in the developed world
[02:51] <spikebike> heh, popular linux on desktop = chromebooks
[02:52] <nedstark> people buy them for the low cost, simplicity and security
[02:52] <spikebike> ya
[02:53] <nedstark> these are the main selling points that linux can use to get people to buy linux devices for the home
[02:55] <spikebike> sort of, mostly it's they are cheap, they "just work", and they have what they are looking for like netflix and a nice browser.
[02:56] <spikebike> I doubt many people who buy a $200 chromebook are particularly aware of security (or lack thereof).
[02:57] <spikebike> ease to manage is huge for schools and hte like though
[02:57] <spikebike> my favorite part of chrome is that A) they have to be linux compatible and B) I don't have to pay for a microsoft license
[02:58] <spikebike> so dirt cheap fast hardware that's linux compatible
[02:58] <nedstark> microsoft doesn't change for the embedded licenses in tablets or phones
[02:58] <nedstark> charge
[02:58] <spikebike> I'm not talking about tablets or phones
[02:58] <squinty> .... and damn the torpedo's
[02:58] <nedstark> like the netbooks with a keyboard that are about the same size as a chromebook
[02:59] <nedstark> the tablet/kb combos for $200 or less
[03:03] <spikebike> heh, nice desktops start under $150
[03:17] <sebsebseb> hi
[04:43] <Arnex> hello all.  Does anyone know what time the official 16.04 release will be available?
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> Arnex: today
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> !party | Arnex
[04:45] <Arnex> "no" would have been a perfectly acceptable answer, no need to be snide
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> Arnex: its out, when its out
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> Arnex: nobody has a glass magic ball here
[04:45] <Arnex> that also would have been an acceptable answer
[04:46] <Arnex> "nobody knows for sure, arnex, we'll just have to wait and see." See how you can answer the question without any attitude?
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> Arnex: i have widen your options by offering the party channel, so when its release time, you would know...
[05:25] <nhaines> New Ubuntu 16.04 LTS FAQ over on reddit.  :)  https://redd.it/4frg4a
[05:29] <salamanderrake> its 4/21 some where, shouldn't 16.04 be released?
[05:29] <spikebike> heh
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> salamanderrake: somewhere today..
[05:30] <salamanderrake> ok, well the ubuntu site for the download hasn't been updated yet.
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> !party
[05:38] <bartvk> Hi guys, how do I set a static IP address? Editing /etc/network/interfaces didn't help
[06:15] <SebUbuntuTablet>
[06:18] <nhaines> Hmm, the last daily image doesn't boot in VirtualBox.
[06:18] <nhaines> Well, strike that.  It boots, but X has scrambled graphics.
[06:34] <wligtenberg> Hi, just curious if there is still something I can help out with regarding: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/java-common/+bug/1552764
[06:36] <SuperLag> nhaines: ouch
[06:36] <badung> hello
[06:36] <badung> somebody know what time release 16.04?
[06:38] <spikebike> today
[06:38] <Poke95> Today, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule
[06:38] <badung> I know but i want know time
[06:38] <badung> thx
[07:02] <cliffer> i get the following errors related to dovecot: "qmgr: warning: connect to transport private/dovecot: No such file or directory" and "systemd: dovecot.service: PID file /var/run/dovecot/master.pid not readable (yet?) after start: No such file or directory". there is not directory /var/spool/postfix/private/dovecot. where to search for the error?
[07:14] <pjoe> so what time is xenial final gonna drop?
[07:14] <spikebike> today
[07:15] <pjoe> I know ... but what time :D
[07:15] <pjoe> is it ther yet, is it ther yet ... :D
[07:15] <spikebike> later today ;-)
[07:15]  * pjoe will keep checking download servers
[07:15] <pjoe> don't think I've been this excited about a release for ages
[07:16] <DiamondSword> pjoe, what's special about this one?
[07:17] <pjoe> dunno .. just feel like I've been waiting for it for a long time
[07:17] <spikebike> LTS makes it 4 times as special
[07:17]  * pjoe is still on 14.04
[07:18] <spikebike> I hope 16.04 does systemd better than 15.10
[07:18]  * pjoe checks dl server ... looks like last daily dropped yesterday at 22:30 ... guess it's gonna be a looong day :D
[07:18] <basso> yah long day
[07:22]  * pjoe wonders how much difference there will be from yesterdays daily
[07:31] <nhaines> pjoe: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS won't offer an update until July.  :)
[07:31] <pjoe> oh, I'm gonna re-install with 16.04
[07:32] <Dygear> Anyone have the time today that 16.04 will be release?
[07:32] <pjoe> my installation is a bit messy by now anyway .. after installing both lxqt and elementary on top of 14.04
[07:32] <nhaines> Dygear: there is no set time of release.
[07:32] <Dygear> @nhaines Thanks!
[07:33] <nhaines> pjoe: ha, I did a fresh install of 14.04 LTS because I was writing a book on it... but then upgraded each time and am running xenial now!
[07:33] <pjoe> Dygear: you are not the first one asking ... my estimate is 22:30 .. as that was timestamp of yesterdays daily
[07:33] <nhaines> So it's about time for a fresh install.  But I was too busy doing editing and working on the Free Culture Showcase stuff so it could get into the images, which worked!  :D
[07:33] <Dygear> I'm sure you're getting fludded with that question, I kinda figured that it would be in the channe's topic.
[07:33] <Atlantic777> is release today or 26th? not like it really matters, I will install it anyways but I'm confused with news. :)
[07:34] <pjoe> it has been announced for today afaik
[07:34] <Dygear> Atlantic777 April 21st - FinalRelease Ubuntu Ubuntu 16.04
[07:35] <Dygear> According to the release wiki page linked in the channe's topic.
[07:35] <Dygear> channels*
[07:35] <Atlantic777> Dygear: oh, it's week 26
[07:35] <Atlantic777> thanks
[07:36] <Dygear> I have a daily ISO that I burned to USB. Should I just go ahead and install that? I'm trying to do a server install and I want to get a head start.
[07:36]  * pjoe is trying something similar
[07:36] <nhaines> Dygear: it's unlikely to change significantly, although you may run into issues since the daily ISO hasn't necessarily been fully tested.
[07:36] <Atlantic777> Dygear: you are good with that, too.
[07:37] <Atlantic777> I was using 14.04 sinci it was alpha until now. no problems.
[07:37] <Dygear> I had a crash after running mprime the other day, but I think that's a hardware failure ... to transient to pin down.
[07:38] <KeithWeisshar> are there known installation bugs in 16.04 release
[07:39] <pjoe> if you install it your mind will be blown by awesomeness ... proceed at your own risk :P
[07:39] <Dygear> KeithWeisshar, anthing that you can link too as far as a list?
[07:40] <KeithWeisshar> are there bugs that causes installer to freeze after installation in virtual box when it shows press enter to reboot
[07:41] <Dygear> Oh, ok! I'm running it on the Intel NUC, bear metal. Not a big deal for me then.
[07:41] <KeithWeisshar> the last version froze in virtualbox when prompted to press enter to reboot at the end of the install
[07:41] <edmoore> I'm probably not the first randomer to come and ask, but I'm about to leave for a place with slow internet but could hang on at home with fast internet to grab an iso - does anyone know what time roughly today 16.04 will be released proper?
[07:42] <Dygear> edmoore http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[07:43] <Dygear> It seems that it would be automagiclly made at 22:30 hours.
[07:43] <Kiwikaki_> 21:00 UTC I think
[07:43] <KeithWeisshar> does 16.04 fix the ubuntu stuck on please remove installation media and press enter bug in virtualbox
[07:43] <Dygear> Only 13 hours to go then!
[07:43] <edmoore> ok thanks, that's the end of the workdat for me (i'm utc+1) so i'll wait until the evening
[07:43] <pjoe> we should have an online betting site for guessing the exact time :)
[07:44] <Dygear> I'm in!
[07:44] <Dygear> I've got 5USD that says 22:30.
[07:44] <Dygear> (UTC)
[07:45]  * pjoe need to check tz of the timestamps shown on dl server
[07:45] <edmoore> i've got my old thinkpad x201 ready and waiting to give it a spin
[07:45] <Dygear> pjoe, cheater!
[07:47] <Dygear> I'm installing 16.04 LTS over 15.10, and it's pretty much a fresh install that I did not too long along. I'm getting some fatal errors in the log ... Eep! This is going to be intresting!
[07:47] <Dygear> "Fatal error, packaged xyz not fully installed."
[07:47] <KeithWeisshar> is bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1447038 fixed in 16.04 lts?
[07:49] <Dygear> It's tagged as Fix Released, so that's a good sign.
[07:54]  * pjoe installing daily on embedded intel PC
[08:11] <drzel> anyone know what time 16.04 will be available?
[08:11] <DiamondSword> today!
[08:12] <Kiwikaki_> 21:00 UTC
[08:17] <pjoe> more than 12 hours ... sigh
[08:21] <basso> My guess is around lunch, canonicals hq is in london, so release after tea time would be logical
[08:22] <orf_> Why does the register say 16.04 is out today: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/04/21/ubuntu_16_04_lts_launched/, but the release schedule say it's out on the 26th? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule
[08:23] <basso> orf_: no dats the week number
[08:23] <orf_> o
[08:23] <orf_> that's confusing
[08:23] <orf_> well not really, I just need to *read* the page
[08:23] <orf_> awesome, thanks. Can't wait
[08:25] <basso> yah my thinkpad is waiting for an upgrade
[08:25] <ChunkzZ1> late afternoon in the UK so around 5pm and it's now 9:30am
[08:26] <ChunkzZ1> I'm waiting to upgrade my laptop AND desktop.
[08:30] <orf_> so it comes out at 5pm?
[08:30] <Londi> will all the derivatives be released at the same time? like kubuntu xubuntu etc
[08:30] <orf_> damn, I'm a bit early to the party
[08:32] <snadge> flashback / metacity has a bug :(
[08:32] <snadge> it probably wont get fixed before release.. hehe
[08:34]  * pjoe still working on installing on small industrial intel pc
[08:34] <pjoe> now at: installing grub ... almost there
[08:35] <Poke95> !isitout
[08:37] <pjoe> how can ubottu answer so quickly? .... :D
[08:37] <pjoe> does he know something the rest of us don't
[08:39]  * pjoe now booted on daily 16.04
[08:41] <sacarde> hi
[08:43] <laufi> Hi, do u alrdy know when 16.04 will be available for the public?
[08:44] <orf_> !isitout
[08:45] <pjoe> laufi: today ... exact time seems to be a bit unclear .. guesses range from: teatime to 21:00 UTC
[08:45] <pjoe> !when
[08:45] <pjoe> hmm
[08:46] <laufi> pjoe: thank you was up til 00:00 UTC to start the download but there was nothing but thank you
[08:46] <pjoe> there is a daily image from yesterday ... if you really can't wait the difference will probably be minimal
[08:46]  * pjoe has just installed that daily
[08:48] <laufi> will probaly do so now I'm sitting in CompScience in school so have to wait
[08:57] <braderhart> This regression affects 16.04: https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2016-February/101483.html
[08:59] <snadge> i think there's going to be a few.. due to xorg
[08:59] <snadge> and possibly that too.. by the looks of it
[09:01] <braderhart> snadge: Yeah... would be nice to get a backport though. I can help if someone will walk me through the process.
[09:04] <pjoe> poll for release time: http://www.poll-maker.com/poll661945x9fA14A76-27
[09:06] <braderhart> pjoe: It's already out. It's seeding right now.
[09:06] <pjoe> really ... wohooo
[09:07] <ChunkzZ1> braderhart, what?
[09:07]  * pjoe goes refreshing browser ....
[09:07] <ChunkzZ1> it's NOT out yet.
[09:08] <ChunkzZ1> you're using the daily build.
[09:08] <ChunkzZ1> pjoe, he's lying.
[09:08] <pjoe> sad pnada
[09:08] <snadge> haha
[09:09] <braderhart> 4bcec83ef856c50c6866f3b0f3942e011104b5ecc6d955d1e7061faff86070d4 *ubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[09:09] <braderhart> b20b956b5f65dff3650b3ef4e758a78a2a87152101a04ea1804f993d8e551ceb *ubuntu-16.04-desktop-i386.iso
[09:09] <ChunkzZ1> braderhart, again, it's not out, yet.
[09:10] <braderhart> ChunkzZ1: Okay... well use those hashes when it's released and you tell me. You just have to know where to look.
[09:10] <ChunkzZ1> unless you can provide a link, you're lying. :)
[09:11] <pjoe> braderhart: those are the sha256 hashes of yesterdays daily
[09:11] <ChunkzZ1> lmao
[09:11] <pjoe> but of course that might be promoted to the final release
[09:11] <ChunkzZ1> I'll wait until the ubuntu site says it's out
[09:12] <ChunkzZ1> braderhart, is using the daily build LOL
[09:14] <braderhart> Chunkz71: I sent "proof"
[09:15] <pjoe> braderhart: ? those sha256 are from: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/SHA256SUMS
[09:15] <pjoe> again that may be promoted to final ... the excitement is killing me :D
[09:16] <portablejim> There are some mirrors that have the latest daily in a spot that hints at it being a final release.
[09:17] <ChunkzZ1> yeah, I ain't trusting that link braderhart. I'll wait until ubuntu's site says it's out. :)
[09:18] <braderhart> ChunkzZ1: Whatever works for you.
[09:20] <ChunkzZ1> :P thanks, though.
[09:21] <pjoe> braderhart: do you have some insider info?
[09:22] <pjoe> or are you just messing with us :D
[09:22] <braderhart> pjoe: Nope. Google did the trick.
[09:22] <pjoe> do tell
[09:22] <Qommand0r> can't wait til sudo do-release-upgrade will succeed
[09:22] <apatters> Hi! 16.04 final release will land sometime today, right?
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> apatters: yes
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> !party > apatters
[09:23] <pjoe> apatters: http://www.poll-maker.com/poll661945x9fA14A76-27
[09:23] <pjoe> though maybe it is already out ... as in yesterdays daily will be promoted
[09:24] <apatters> That's awesome thanks :)
[09:29] <knockknock> hello
[09:29] <pjoe> luncthime here ... nice distraction from waiting :D
[09:30] <knockknock> just broke my computer with the latest pre-release version :)
[09:34] <dupondje> mmmm, now that 'empathy' is almost dropped, which Jabber client could we use? :D
[09:34] <snadge> theres a release party in africa.. but not in australia :|
[09:35] <snadge> i get it.. most people like to masturbate in the comfort of their own homes.. its a bit awkward to do it in public, in front of other nerds you have nothing in common with asides from a choice of linux distribution :p
[09:43] <orf_> !isitout
[09:44] <zaki> when it will happen?
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> !language | snadge
[09:46] <snadge> yeah okay, i thought that might be pushing it just a little bit
[09:47] <snadge> no ubuntu love in australia though.. that's what caused my over the top, off the cuff humorous jibe
[09:49] <brianx> you get your release however you like.  i plan to download mine.
[09:49] <snadge> that's not the purpose of a release party.. are you basically implying that this is only for people who can't afford bandwidth and have to swap usb sticks or something?
[09:50] <brianx> nope, just playing on the word as you did.
[09:51] <snadge> ah.. touche
[09:51] <halabund> I am running Ubuntu 16.04 in VirtualBox (upgraded from 15.10).  It takes a very long time to shut down or to restart (about a minute).  How can I find out what makes it get stuck?
[09:51] <brianx> i'm in the usa, we have less bandwith than many africans.
[09:51] <brianx> internet 3rd world.
[09:52] <edmoore> I noticed that in the USA actually. Internet speed were not as fast as i expected, a mobile data contracts were absurdly expensive!
[09:52] <snadge> halabund.. you could tr switching to a virtual console.. ie.. ctrl-alt-f1 .. login .. then sudo poweroff
[09:52] <snadge> if it displays the splash screen, press escape to see the shutdown messages
[09:53] <snadge> if that's not enough information.. i think systemd may have a mode for timing shutdown/startup.. or giving verbose messages for that purpose
[09:54] <halabund> It says, “a stop job is running for Session c2 of user ..."
[09:56] <halabund> (so I have something to google for now)
[10:00] <halabund> lots of people complaining but no proper diagnosis nor a straightforward fix ...
[10:00] <halabund> I guess I’ll just make a fresh install of 16.04 in a few weeks.  Fortunately I rarely use it and I don’t have much customization.  So I can afford it.
[10:02] <ChunkzZ1> !isitoutyet
[10:02] <pjoe_afk> but ubottu, how do you know?
[10:02] <pjoe> :D
[10:04] <ChunkzZ1> lol
[10:05] <basso> is ubongu released yet?
[10:05] <ChunkzZ1> :/
[10:09] <ChunkzZ1> nevermind.
[10:13] <spikebike> ah, finally out
[10:13] <pjoe> uhhh
[10:14] <pjoe> spikebike: where?
[10:14] <spikebike> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[10:15] <pjoe> so the daily from yester did get promoted :)
[10:15] <pjoe> hats off to braderhart
[10:15] <pjoe> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/SHA256SUMS
[10:17] <pjoe> !isitout?
[10:17] <pjoe> wtf :(
[10:18]  * pjoe kicks ubottu in the balls ... hard :D
[10:18] <spikebike> heh, whatever releases.ubuntu.com is official enough for me
[10:18] <xavier___> I don't know if I have to report it here or using launchpad, but... In 16.04, my network interfaces are named ens[0-9][0-9]+. I have a vlan defined in /etc/network/interfaces but the pre-up script that have to create the vlan does not have in consideration the ens*.* interfaces
[10:19] <xavier___>   eth*.*|bond*.*|wlan*.*|em*.*|p[0-9]*.*) =>   ens*.*|eth*.*|bond*.*|wlan*.*|em*.*|p[0-9]*.*)
[10:19] <xavier___> etc
[10:22] <pjoe> heh: http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ stopped responding for me
[10:22] <pjoe> or is at least reeeeally slow
[10:23] <spikebike> pjoe do you use ipfs?
[10:24] <ChunkzZ1> !isitoutyet
[10:24] <ChunkzZ1> nope, not out, yet.
[10:24] <spikebike> many torrents have been updated, there's a kubuntu and lunbut image torrent posted at ubuntu.com
[10:24] <pjoe> spikebike: no .. I already had the serverimage .. but gonna re-install desktop as well
[10:25] <ChunkzZ1> not out yet.
[10:27] <pjoe> ChunkzZ1: ubottu is lying
[10:27] <pjoe> !isitout?
[10:27] <pjoe> dammit ubottu
[10:27] <pjoe> :D
[10:35] <spikebike> torrent.ubuntu.com is announcing a hoard of new 16.04 releases
[10:37] <xavier___> Ok, it is already reported. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlan/+bug/1541678
[10:40] <basso> come on ubongu
[10:42] <basso> some server iso's have been released
[10:42] <basso> its hoppening!! http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/xenial/release/
[10:43] <DiamondSword> :)
[10:44] <basso> this is probably a better place to lurk http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04/release/
[10:52] <pjoe> !isitout?
[10:52] <pjoe> grrrr
[10:52] <ngalim> still waiting
[10:52] <pjoe> maybe ubottu needs some release cake
[11:19] <bodom> Hi there
[11:19] <phil42> hi
[11:19] <bodom> do you know when will 16.04 be realeased?
[11:19] <phil42> some versions are out now
[11:20] <nhaines> bodom: there is no set time for release.
[11:20] <phil42> link for lubuntu 16.04 desktop is  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/16.04/release/lubuntu-16.04-alternate-amd64.iso
[11:20] <bodom> oh, nice
[11:20] <bodom> thank you!
[11:20] <phil42> np
[11:20] <JiangOil> xfce is better than lxde
[11:20] <phil42> i like lxde.  it is one guy   :)
[11:32] <orf_> !isitout
[11:32] <Delta2073> you sure? mirrors.kernel.org seems to have final images
[11:34] <teward> Delta2073: we're sure - it is not out yet
[11:34] <teward> don't trust any mirrors until the release announce goes out :)
[11:34] <Delta2073> so i shouldn't bother mirroring those iso's then? :)
[11:34] <teward> correct
[11:34] <Delta2073> boourns
[11:38] <loooooopy> https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/723112408437284864
[11:39] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:45] <JiangOil> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[11:45]  * pjoe does fancy release dance
[11:47] <DiamondSword> HOOOROAAAAYYY !!
[11:52] <DiamondSword> hmh. they didn't renew the Download page yet.
[11:52] <JuJuBee> Anybody know what time the relase is?
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> JuJuBee: when its out, its out
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> JuJuBee: nobody can predict the exact time
[11:55] <JuJuBee> I was just wondering if there was a standard time they release
[11:55] <edmoore> that's true of alpha decay but probably less true of the ubuntu webpage being updated
[11:55] <edmoore> as a standalone statement
[11:55] <pjoe> JuJuBee: it's already out
[11:55] <JuJuBee> I have never been so eager to download the current version so I always waited a few days/weeks
[11:55] <pjoe> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[11:55] <pjoe> !isitout?
[11:56] <pjoe> ubottu: when will you learn :S
[11:56] <pjoe> :D
[11:56] <JuJuBee> pjoe:  thank  you.
[11:57] <pjoe> !help
[11:57] <pjoe> !patience
[11:58] <pjoe> !command:isitout=true
[11:58] <pjoe> :D
[11:58] <Paspartu-tu> :D
[11:58] <sjoos> downloading http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso .... will take a long time
[11:58] <DiamondSword> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ here I think they renewed the torrent file but not the iso, last modified column is 20th of April yet.
[11:59] <Paspartu-tu> sjoos, that is why people should use bittorrent
[11:59] <pjoe> sjoos: I managed here around 10min earlier ... but ymmv
[11:59] <pjoe> DiamondSword: yes yesterdays daily got promoted to final as far as I can tell
[12:00] <pjoe> braderhart predicted this .. but no one dared believe him
[12:01] <sjoos> I just installed beta2 yesterday, will that + updates be the same as the release version?
[12:01] <DiamondSword> I'll wait a bit more
[12:02] <orf_> !isitout
[12:02] <BluesKaj> zsync is a fast stable method to DL the image as well
[12:03] <orf_> I'm getting it at 7mb/s
[12:03] <orf_> the iso is dated yesterday, is that a concern?
[12:05] <sjoos> orf_, no, as pjoe just mentioned yesterdays daily is promoted to final
[12:06] <orf_> ah right, my bad, thanks sjoos
[12:15] <orf_> the fuck.... wget just ate my file. The download finished, but the file is not there. "utime(ubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso): No such file or directory"
[12:15] <orf_> wat
[12:15] <orf_> thanks wget
[12:17] <DiamondSword> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/16.04/release/ why this redirects to server and not desktop now..
[12:24] <orf_> are there any mirrors for the iso files?
[12:27] <bananapie> So, anyone know what time the release is?
[12:28] <bananapie> nevermind
[12:32] <xenialphile> When running as a guest in virtualbox, with 3d acceleration enabled, is anyone getting black windows in google chrome?
[12:41] <JuJuBee> orf_:  I downloaded both x64 and i386 using torrent in 15 min
[12:44] <xenialphile> Yea the official site is slow. Use torrent.
[12:44] <xenialphile> Also it saves Canonical some bandwidth $.
[12:45] <orf_> Can't torrent at work :(
[12:45] <orf_> used the Uni of Kent mirror, super fast
[12:53] <ChunkzZ1> !isitoutyet
[12:59] <ppparadox> At what time is 16.04 gonna be released? I wanted to help seeding torrents :)
[12:59] <orf_> it's out now ppparadox
[13:00] <jaythelinuxguy> As far as I know, the official release hasn't happened. The main site still links to 14.04.
[13:00] <ChunkzZ1> orf_, it's not out, yet.
[13:00] <ChunkzZ1> jaythelinuxguy, yeah I am waiting on the site.
[13:01] <ppparadox> indeed the main site still links to 14.04
[13:01] <orf_> the iso is out and I've installed it though?
[13:01] <orf_> it's also on the mirrors ChunkzZ1
[13:01] <xenialphile> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[13:01] <xenialphile> The ISO is out, but the repos are not yet updated.
[13:01] <sweb> is stable version ?
[13:01] <jaythelinuxguy> orf until their release announcement, they are well within their rights to replace the ISO's with an updated version if they need to
[13:02] <orf_> sure jaythelinuxguy
[13:02] <jaythelinuxguy> Historically, release seems to happen around 10:30am, but they have until midnight to make any last minute changes if something goes wrong
[13:02] <ppparadox> great, i think i'm gonna wait
[13:02] <gregx> Hi there, updated to xenial and now my screen goes black shortly after booting
[13:02] <ppparadox> uhm... what time zone is that in?
[13:03] <jaythelinuxguy> Sorry, I'm in Eastern
[13:03] <ppparadox> k
[13:03] <sjoos> if you want to download pleas use a mirror from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors . They are way faster then the ubuntu releases website.
[13:03] <ppparadox> so it's in 90 minutes or so
[13:03] <jaythelinuxguy> gregx that bug was already reported, I'm not sure of the bug # though
[13:04] <ChunkzZ1> !isitoutyet
[13:04] <jaythelinuxguy> sjoos I recommend everyone use bit torrent when the final release happens, the more people that use bit torrent, the less the official mirrors get saturated
[13:04] <sjoos> not everybody can use bit torrent....
[13:04] <ChunkzZ1> indeed
[13:04] <jaythelinuxguy> sjoos right, I understand that. But if you can use bit torrent, use bit torrent.
[13:04] <ppparadox> i'm gonna seed 50Mbps :)
[13:04] <gregx> jaythelinuxguy: do you know if it's amd radeon related?
[13:04] <sjoos> on those mirrors you also find torrents
[13:05] <jaythelinuxguy> gregx sorry I don't know. I found that bug on accident when I was looking into whether or not the flicker issue was fixed yet
[13:05] <xenialphile> So much software uses p2p to update itself. How does anyone do anything without being able to torrent?
[13:05] <gregx> jaythelinuxguy: thanks, i'll see if I can find it
[13:05] <jaythelinuxguy> xenialphile some companies block bit torrent on their corporate networks
[13:05] <sjoos> xenialphile, firewalls...
[13:06] <xenialphile> So how do they use skype if they block p2p?
[13:06] <jaythelinuxguy> xenialphile you can block torrents without blocking skype
[13:06] <soupnanodesukar_> gregx: if you have a amdgpu compatible card, try blacklisting radeon
[13:07] <soupnanodesukar_> oh, sorry, wrong person. ;_;
[13:08] <xenialphile> There's some change t the graphics stack in Xenial. 3d acceleration in Virtualbox VMs no longer seems to work on my laptop.
[13:08] <gregx> I've discovered (by trial and error) that radeon.dpm=0 appears to fix it
[13:08] <xenialphile> And without it, Xenial is slower than Wily
[13:09] <gregx> but I feel like that's something that should work out-of-the-box
[13:09] <jaythelinuxguy> Ubuntu has always been slow in VMs. I recommend avoiding Ubuntu in VMs. Ubuntu MATE and Xubuntu are fine in VMs though.
[13:09] <jaythelinuxguy> gregx if I remember correctly, they are testing patches to fix that problem
[13:09] <gregx> awesome
[13:09] <xenialphile> jaythelinuxguy: what about gnome? I can't use those old style UIs in Xubuntu
[13:10] <jaythelinuxguy> xenialphile GNOME seems to work better than Ubuntu in VMs, but still slow. You would want a lighter-weight machine in a VM. Personally, I use Crunchbang++ when using Linux in VMs.
[13:11] <xenialphile> 15.10 Wily actually worked fine. 16.04 Xenial has notable UI lag without 3d accel, and dies with 3d accel.
[13:11] <jaythelinuxguy> xenialphile, with all releases of Ubuntu up until now, I've had to do custom tweaks to get them to run well in a VM.
[13:12] <xenialphile> I guess our experiences differ. Perhaps diffrenet hardware combinations, so something.
[13:12] <xenialphile> s/so/or
[13:12] <BluesKaj> !snappy
[13:12] <ChunkzZ1> !isiutoutyet
[13:12] <ChunkzZ1> !isitoutyet
[13:13] <jaythelinuxguy> xenialphile, have you ran any tweaks to make Ubuntu run well in a VM?
[13:14] <xenialphile> jaythelinuxguy: On our desktops, Ubuntu Wily and earlier run fine out of the box in VirtualBox, so long as you load guest additions. However those are i7s with discreet GPUs so they're fast.
[13:14] <xenialphile> jaythelinuxguy: On my current laptop, Wily has very slight UI lag, but not enough to annoy me, but Xenial is bad
[13:15] <ChunkzZ1> don't use unity then :)
[13:15] <ppparadox> ChunkzZ1: in about 90 minutes
[13:15] <ChunkzZ1> ppparadox, ?
[13:15] <ppparadox> ChunkzZ1: 10:30 EST, usually
[13:15] <jaythelinuxguy> xenialphile on my end, to get any version of Ubuntu to run reasonably in a VM, I have to add vboxvideo to /etc/modules after installing guest additions
[13:15] <xenialphile> Yea I could switch to Gnome 3 if Unity is causing the problems
[13:15] <ChunkzZ1> ppparadox, oh.
[13:16] <jaythelinuxguy> xenialphile have you tried Ubuntu MATE? It runs very well in a VM
[13:16] <ChunkzZ1> ppparadox, someone said 21:00 EST earlier iirc
[13:17] <jaythelinuxguy> It's important to keep in mind that Ubuntu could release just before midnight for all we know, it will be released when the maintainers have all signed off on it
[13:17] <xenialphile> jaythelinuxguy: I do not get on well with old-style GUIs. I could use Gnome 3.
[13:17] <jaythelinuxguy> xenialphile, Ubuntu MATE is a modern take on the classic desktop. It even supports client side decorations.
[13:19] <soupnanodesukar_> https://a.uguu.se/qbravk_scr250.png well, would you just look at the time.
[13:19] <nearffxx> hi
[13:20] <nearffxx> Can I install xenial daily build and upgrade to final?
[13:20] <nearffxx> is there any major drawback?
[13:20] <xenialphile> jaythelinuxguy: I mean the new style of UIs, like designed in the touch age; not fancy graphics over an older UI with a start menu., Anyway UI design is highly personal, and I simply can't use Mate
[13:21] <jaythelinuxguy> xenialphile, I understand where you're coming from.  Either you use something lighter in resource usage, or face a performance penalty. No way around it. The /etc/modules tweak in Ubuntu does seem to help but it's not perfect.
[13:22] <xenialphile> jaythelinuxguy: Or I can wait until they fix it :-)
[13:23] <Pici> Anyone hpappen to know if the 14.04 -> 16.04 upgrade bug was fixed?
[13:23] <Pici> I know that people are supposed to wait until .1, but people are impatient.
[13:24] <daoenix> I have a server I want to stand up, but waiting for the release of 16.04. Fresh clean install FTW.
[13:24] <soupnanodesukar_> xenailphile: kwin supports xrender backend, try that.
[13:24] <ChunkzZ1> Pici, hopefully it's fixed yes
[13:28] <xenialphile> soupnanodesukar_: I will have a look at it. I don't know anything about it, so I'll find out. Thanks.
[13:33] <Revo> Good morning all. I hear 16.04 is going to be officially released today...
[13:35] <xenialphile> Revo: I am unsure what Canonical defines as 'released'. The ISO is out in the release downloads, but there's no announcement or repo update yet. Is it out? It depends whether you wait for a release download or a release announcement :)
[13:36] <Revo> xenialphile thanks for the follow up. :-)
[13:36] <xenialphile> i am really loving the update to the gnome apps in Xenial.  It still works.
[13:42] <ChunkzZ1> this waiting is boring :/
[13:43] <ChunkzZ1> ppparadox, it's past 10:30 now :(
[13:44] <TJ-> is Yosemite Yodeller in development yet?
[13:51] <vooze> I see some websites saying its released, but iso is only april 20th. It should be 21 to be released right?
[13:54] <ChunkzZ1> vooze, wait for the announcement
[13:54] <TJ-> well the packages are frozen in the archive, the images are built, if you know where to look its there / been there
[13:55] <nearffxx> xenialphile: where is the link?
[13:55] <Revo> isn't this the page http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[13:56] <nearffxx> I think that's the yesterday's release
[13:57] <ppparadox> ChunkzZ1: mmmhhh
[13:58] <Revo> looks like the check sums are 21st
[13:58] <Revo> so I assume those are the latest images, etc
[13:58] <nearffxx> yeah
[13:58] <Revo> assuming makes a ass out of you and me though.. ;-)
[13:58] <nearffxx> but not the final
[13:58] <nearffxx> yet
[13:58] <nearffxx> of today
[13:59] <Revo> nearffxx :-(
[14:00] <xenialphile> Don't know which way Canonical does it. They -have- released a release ISO. If that isn't the release ISO, something's broken.
[14:00] <ChunkzZ1> yeah, not out yet!
[14:00] <ChunkzZ1> !isitoutyet
[14:00] <teward> xenialphile: don't trust any of the 'release' ISOs until the announcement goes out about release
[14:00] <teward> there may be last-minute changes forcing a respin of that ISO
[14:01] <xenialphile> teward: I would have thought the appearance of a release iso was an announcement. So you're saying Canonical doesn't work that way?
[14:01] <teward> xenialphile: there will be an official announcement sent over ubuntu-announce listserv denoting the actual release
[14:01] <teward> trust it then
[14:02] <Revo> @ubuntu states on twitter 1hr ago...We'll be live soon with the 16.04 LTS....stay tuned!
[14:02] <teward> Revo: and "soon" does not mean "in the next hour" :P
[14:02] <Revo> staying tuned....
[14:02] <Revo> teward ;-)
[14:05] <drzel> Once it's released how do I update from 15.10?
[14:05] <xenialphile> drzel: 'sudo do-release-upgrade' when released
[14:06] <drzel> ta
[14:12] <jatt> was 16.04 released today?
[14:12] <teward> !isitout | jatt
[14:12] <teward> !party | jatt
[14:12] <Revo> jatt not yet..
[14:12] <jatt> ok thanks
[14:14] <ooxi> !isitoutyet
[14:20] <Revo> !isitoutyet
[14:41] <drzel> !isitoutyet
[14:48] <Bretagne> Bonjour je suis francais j'ai besoin de votre aide pour un disque dur sous ubuntu
[14:52] <TJ-> looks like the Unity desktop design fails when the display is in a VGA/SVGA resolution (such as caused by nomodeset), with the dialogs being larger than the display and important parts (like on-off buttons on the right) off-screen and unreachable (if there are pointer device issues)
[14:52] <elpelicaaa> hey @Bretagne, je suis du morbihan, tu veux faire quoi?
[14:53] <Bretagne> j'ai un petit vps dans un hébergeur à roubaix et n'arrive à pas a monté le disque dur supplémentaires
[14:54] <davido_> !fr |Bretagne
[14:58] <ChunkzZ1> !isitoutyet
[15:00] <marjinal1st> Installed 16.04 AMD64. Tried to install vlc with apt-get but I'm getting dependency errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15966407/ Any ideas?
[15:00] <ChunkzZ1> yeah, wait for the proper release marjinal1st.
[15:01] <marjinal1st> ChunkzZ1: What do you mean proper release?
[15:17] <orf_> !isitout
[15:20] <n00000b> is that gnome software thingy ready for usage yet?
[15:21] <n00000b> i clicked install on OS Updates, but it seems it never finishes that
[15:21] <n00000b> can i abort somehow?
[15:21] <drzel> !isitoutyet
[15:22] <n00000b> i guess when i shutdown in the middle of a software update things get corrupted...
[15:23] <jtaylor> n00000b: is it actually installing something?
[15:23] <n00000b> i wish i knew that
[15:24] <n00000b> it says installing but the button it grayed out
[15:25] <n00000b> does it have some status info like a console or install log somewhere hidden?
[15:26] <jtaylor> n00000b: the logs are in /var/log/dkpg.log and /var/log/apt
[15:27] <n00000b> hmm but this gui is a bit useless for installing stuff imho, it wouldnt let abort you, it just sits there and does nothing but blocking my computer in the middle of an install without providing any info what it actually does
[15:28] <n00000b> no such file /var/log/dkpg.log
[15:28] <n00000b> can i kill that gnome software thingy somehow safely?
[15:29] <ISITOUT> hi
[15:29] <ISITOUT> !isitout
[15:30] <jtaylor> n00000b: usually yes
[15:30] <jtaylor> n00000b: its quite hard to actually corrupt dpkg/apt
[15:30] <jtaylor> usually go into the terminal and do apt-get install -f
[15:30] <jtaylor> to fix interrupted updates
[15:30] <n00000b> so i just reboot even if its in the middle of OS Updates?
[15:31] <jtaylor> are you dist-upgrading from an older version or just regular updates?
[15:31] <n00000b> just regular updates
[15:31] <jtaylor> n00000b: try apt update; apt upgrade in a terminal first
[15:31] <n00000b> i want my synaptic back! lol
[15:31] <jtaylor> if that works and doesn't error out with a lock error the gui is just frozen and you should be safe
[15:32] <n00000b> ok thanks
[15:34] <n00000b> i think it apt tried to ask me but i never got a question from Gnome Software: cat /var/log/apt/term.log last line is    custom.conf (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ?
[15:35] <n00000b> how would i answer that without a proper prompt
[15:40] <skmar> hi, is there anything extra that I need to start a xenial lxc container on trusty? because it doesn't "boot", I have lxc 1.0.8 and lxcfs 2.0.0
[15:40] <n00000b> can i safely uninstall gnome software and use synaptic instead?
[15:43] <n00000b> great "killall aptd" then "rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock" and then "pkg --configure -a" asked me and i could answer from a terminal
[15:43] <n00000b> why does Gnome Software not ask the user?
[15:44] <n00000b> it seems apt thinks its in interactive mode in the background
[15:46] <n00000b> ubuntu software could not provide the functionality of synaptic, neither does Gnome Software it seems
[15:48] <rrpeak> What's up with all the news sites, blogs etc saying 16.04 is already out, when it's clearly not?
[15:48] <\9> rrpeak: clickbait
[15:48] <nacc> rrpeak: buggy scripts that only go off the date?
[15:48] <nacc> and/or clickbait :)
[15:49] <brennen> ^
[15:49] <rrpeak> guess you're right, but it's very annoying.
[15:50] <n00000b> so i can just warn everyone from using gnome-software, it seems it corrupts the system
[15:57] <n00000b> also it seems nouveau produces a load of graphics glitches still
[15:57] <n00000b> i hoped it will, someday, support nvidia cards
[16:01] <nacc> n00000b: for one thing, your one experience is possibly not everyones, so that's possibly FUD :)
[16:01] <nacc> n00000b: for another, file a bug?
[16:02] <Revo> !isitoutyet
[16:05] <n00000b> nacc: do you have some idea what could cause this? http://pastebin.com/PZdcyBqA
[16:05] <rrpeak> This wouldn't be so bad, if they hadn't tweeted "We'll be live soon with the 16.04 LTS....stay tuned!" more than 3 hours ago.
[16:05] <nacc> n00000b: i think the actual error is probably before those messages? in that it triggered a trap somewhere
[16:06] <nacc> n00000b: but i don't know much about the nvidia driver myself
[16:06] <n00000b> before dmesg looks normal entry before that is on 26 seconds
[16:07] <nacc> n00000b: the first "nouveau" output is that "gr: magic set 0" line?
[16:09] <n00000b> nacc: not quite it has something about nouveau on bootup before http://pastebin.com/R0rRcDRS
[16:12] <nacc> n00000b: looking
[16:12] <nacc> n00000b: this is on a current 16.04?
[16:13] <ChunkzZ1> !isitoutyet
[16:14] <noooooob> yay system lock up had to reboot via sysrq
[16:16] <nacc> noooooob: afaict, in 16.04, shouldn't nouveau be at 1.0.12? ... are you using a PPA?
[16:19] <noooooob> nacc not sure i got this version installed http://pastebin.com/SSvrGvAT
[16:21] <nacc> noooooob: can you pastebin `apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-nouveau` ?
[16:26] <noooooob> nacc: sure http://pastebin.com/SP7TqLST
[16:27] <nacc> noooooob: ok, maybe it's just different layers emitting different version strings, my apologies
[16:27] <nacc> noooooob: i don't know why that's happening, but it's a bug, probably in the driver. I'd file a bug on launchpad and see if someone more knowledgeable on xserver/desktop can help
[16:28] <noooooob> the ppl from #nouveau meant my GT215 GDDR5 would be one of the worst choices for nouveau
[16:29] <noooooob> i just was excited because i almost get a proper gui, except for those glitches and the freeze up earlier
[16:33] <syth> Final released?
[16:33] <Revo> !isitoutyet
[16:34] <syth> 👍
[16:34] <ChunkzZ1> dahell
[16:35] <noooooob> wow YAY
[16:40] <ChunkzZ1> !isitoutyet
[16:43] <dbarros> 13:33:43 (-3 GMT) out
[16:43] <dbarros> :-)
[16:43] <dbarros> thought it was going to take the whole afternoon
[16:44] <k1l> european time
[16:50] <icey> does xenial have zfs as a root partition support in the installer?
[16:54] <Revo> icey I don't think so..
[16:56] <icey> Revo: then I won't get my hopes up for this test ;-)
[16:56] <Revo> icey https://github.com/zfsonlinux/pkg-zfs/wiki/HOWTO-install-Ubuntu-16.04-to-a-Native-ZFS-Root-Filesystem
[16:57] <icey> Revo: that specifically calls out 16.04 Beta 1  as not
[16:58] <Revo> icey I am excited about ZFS too. I am going to hold out for a little while to see if it gets incorporated into the GUI install. Not holding my breath
[16:58] <icey> Revo: I'm not waiting that long, I will have this as root today (I hope) but was hoping that it my be in the gui :)
[16:59] <Revo> icey Cool. I will love to hear how it goes and maybe I will get adventurous
[16:59] <icey> Revo: I accidentally trashed my xenial install this morning so I'm going nuts with what I want in the system
[17:00] <Revo> icey :-(
[17:01] <icey> revo dd if=/dev/zero os=your linux install isn't fun ;-)
[17:01] <Revo> icey not fun indeed ;-)
[17:31] <syth> There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX.I don't believe this to be a coincidence.
[18:27] <SCHAAP137> on to 16.10, I'd say
[18:27] <SCHAAP137> *onwards
[18:51] <daed> pfft 16.04 is old news, where's the 16.10 beta?
[18:58] <M3mphiZ> will it be possible to upgrade a ubuntu server 14.04.4 to 16.04?
[18:59] <k1l_> !ltsupgrade
[19:23] <XaliUS> sudo apt-get -d distr-upgrade
[19:23] <k1l_> XaliUS: fail
[19:29] <XaliUS> >_>
[19:29] <XaliUS> distro-upgrade
[19:45] <Hesulan> dist-upgrade*?
[20:32] <pmp6nl> !isitoutyet
[20:32] <pmp6nl> hell ya
[22:20] <derarsch> HEY!!!!!!!!
[22:21] <derarsch> GREAT!
[22:45] <nedstark> where's the 18.04 iso, its never too early to get started
[22:47] <rwong> here http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04/
[22:53] <nedstark> i am ready to upload the vi package
[23:38] <drzel> !isitoutyet