[05:07] <Linux_Galore_> chemicalvamp: also there is no FOSS 3D driver project for ATi but there is for nvidia
[05:08] <ubuntu> ever since then, the system has been shakey
[05:08] <vbgunz> whats the beef?
[05:08] <flaccid> Linux_Galore_: isn't there the radeon and ati drivers from xorg
[05:08] <jasin> I don't play games so having the latest or fastest graphics card is meaningless to me.
[05:08] <hitmanWilly> Tired_, just sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras, that installs all those codecs
[05:08] <flaccid> they work fine as well
[05:08] <ubuntu> even the video (nvidia 128 meg)
[05:08] <naegling23> ubuntu: problem is being fixed, sounds like your install was interupted, you prob. dont have all the files updated, the system is looking for things that dont exist
[05:08] <BluesKaj> ATI just released new Radeon drivers today if anyone cares to check them out
[05:08] <ubuntu> ok
[05:08] <LeeJunFan> I'm running open source ATI drivers with beryl right now.
[05:08] <Linux_Galore_> flaccid: yes but not 3D
[05:09] <naegling23> ubuntu, when the dpkg thing is done enter this
[05:09] <flaccid> define 3D
[05:09] <ubuntu> konsole is really going at it
[05:09] <ubuntu> I hope this will get my speed back
[05:09] <naegling23> ubuntu: sudo apt-get -f install
[05:09] <ubuntu> my syssstem slowed down quite a bit also
[05:09] <Linux_Galore_> Nvidia 3D open source drivers -> http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[05:09] <ubuntu> normally screems
[05:09] <jasin> If I want to play games i'll get an xbox or playstation.
[05:09] <Alonea> ok, I am following this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2420732#post2420732 , but I have KDE, not gnome, so how do I make it for KDE?
[05:09] <kalorin`> blueskaj I just got mine working :(
[05:10] <naegling23> ubuntu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2504836#post2504836 I just fixed a similar problem to you
[05:10] <Linux_Galore_> flaccid: OpenGL works in an accelerated enviroment
[05:10] <BluesKaj> it's a basically a self installer pkg , kalorin`
[05:10] <ubuntu> ok
[05:10] <naegling23> ubuntu: dont follow the post though, Its not really your problem
[05:11] <kalorin`> BluesKaj: yeah I have an x700 with a DVI adn VGA output with a monitor on each
[05:11] <flaccid> Linux_Galore_: so glxgears would be an example of that?
[05:11] <kalorin`> it's a pain in the ass to get the X desktop working correctly on that across both monitors
[05:11] <kalorin`> not sure I'm ready to do it again :(
[05:11] <Linux_Galore_> flaccid: no, glxgears isnt 3D last I looked
[05:11] <Alonea> like, what would I change gnome-session to?
[05:11] <vit> hola
[05:11] <unix_infidel> anyone here tried running fiesty in vmware and got a couple of freezes upon install?
[05:12] <Tired_> I can't get over how difficult it is to get Windows and Linux to seamlessly cooperate...it seems like it's always easier to have all Windows or all LInux on your network.
[05:12] <flaccid> Linux_Galore_: whats a test program i can use to see if '3D' works?
[05:12] <ubuntu> done
[05:12] <unix_infidel> flaccid: glxgears
[05:12] <vit> hi
[05:12] <vbgunz> does "ubuntu-restricted-extras" include DVD support?
[05:12] <Liptontea> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:12] <Linux_Galore_> flaccid: hmm run bzflag without stutter
[05:12] <kalorin`> flaccid: fgl_glxgears is
[05:12] <Liptontea> that fixed
[05:12] <kalorin`> not sure if that's an ATI thing though
[05:12] <Liptontea> ty
[05:12] <BluesKaj> 2 monitors , ok ... i don't see the need , but whatever turns you on ...   :)
[05:12] <jasin> The drivers for the 8500 to the x1900 were not released today they were released on the 18th, see: http://ati.amd.com
[05:12] <vit> p9udyu78hgo0
[05:12] <LeeJunFan> Linux_Galore_: I'm running beryl just fine with open source radeon drivers.
[05:13] <ubuntu> dont see any restricted
[05:13] <LeeJunFan> Linux_Galore_: granted not all cards are supported.
[05:13] <flaccid> Linux_Galore_: what is bzflag?
[05:13] <LeeJunFan> !info bzflag
[05:13] <ubotu> bzflag: a 3D first person tank battle game. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>60605ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 10204 kB, installed size 13468 kB
[05:13] <Tired_> a game
[05:13] <vbgunz> bzflag is a 3D game
[05:13] <Linux_Galore_> flaccid: its a 3D opengl game
[05:13] <flaccid> ok
[05:14] <flaccid> i might have to wait till i get to work
[05:14] <naegling23> ubuntu: reboot, and try to log into your system (not from the cd)
[05:14] <Tired_> is tuxracer still around?  I used to love that....
[05:14] <flaccid> but i swear opengl works on this driver
[05:14] <BluesKaj> gamerz...get an xbox ...bah!
[05:14] <chemicalvamp> is there a guide for installing ati drivers on feisty yet?
[05:14] <ubuntu> ok
[05:14] <unix_infidel> anyone for my vmware question?
[05:14] <ubuntu> wait
[05:14] <Linux_Galore_> flaccid: I use it to test the performance of the drivers, it shows a fps in game
[05:14] <naegling23> ubuntu: if you dont have any luck, write down the chroot stuff I told you earlier
[05:14] <kalorin`> unix_infidel: go ahead
[05:14] <LeeJunFan> unix_infidel: you are installing feisty in vmware? or vmware in feisty?
[05:14] <chemicalvamp> unix_infidel shoot
[05:14] <Tired_> sorry, I only use VMWare for weird OSes, like plan9
[05:14] <jasin> chemicalvamp,  yes, see: https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.36.5-inst.html
[05:14] <hitmanWilly> chemicalvamp, it should be the same as edgy, more or less
[05:15] <ubuntu> let me give you some errors that I saw
[05:15] <unix_infidel> I'm running feisty on vmware server.
[05:15] <ubuntu> chroot?
[05:15] <naegling23> Ubuntu: if you chroot, you can fix the problem, the only issue is knowing the commands to type, but someone should be able to help you with those
[05:15] <BluesKaj> chemicalvamp, the latest are selfinstalling just do   ./ atidrivername.run
[05:15] <chemicalvamp> hitmanWilly nope lol, xserver wont boot with the changes you make to xorg.conf
[05:15] <Linux_Galore_> flaccid: all the foss drivers Ive ever tried with bzflag with ati or nvidia stutter
[05:15] <kalorin`> unix_infidel: I run it for windows on linux
[05:15] <vbgunz> does "ubuntu-restricted-extras" include DVD support?
[05:15] <jasin> chemicalvamp,  yes, see: https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.36.5-inst.html
[05:15] <LeeJunFan> unix_infidel: hrm, I am as well, but I installed with debootstrap, and shared it over NFS and network boot mine.
[05:15] <hitmanWilly> chemicalvamp, well nvidia was the same, i figured ati worked like that too :)
[05:16] <hitmanWilly> chemicalvamp, but again, it IS ati
[05:16] <Tired_> vbgunz -> I'll tell ya as soon as it finishes installing  :)
[05:16] <jasin> vlc will do dvd
[05:16] <naegling23> ubuntu: once you get to the terminal, someone can help you, for some reason a lot of people dont realize that you can use the live cd to get there, so mounting the drive and sudo chroot /media/drive can be very important
[05:16] <unix_infidel> hmm, i think i'll just install it on a physical box once i get a new power supply
[05:16] <soulrider_> hi everyone
[05:16] <vbgunz> Tired_: cool, thank you :)
[05:16] <surgy> hitmanWilly: we have multiple problems :(
[05:16] <ubuntu> ok
[05:16] <kalorin`> jeepers, 50megs of a driver
[05:16] <Tired_> might be a while...last install took two hours, but I'm doing it now
[05:16] <flaccid> im on freebsd using the radeon driver atm, i'll test that first
[05:16] <kalorin`> insane
[05:16] <naegling23> ubuntu: did dpkg still spit back some errors?
[05:17] <flaccid> Linux_Galore_: nexuiz is 3D. it runs fine with the open drivers
[05:17] <srihari> Kubuntu 7.04 on Asus M2A-VM anybody? (it's an AMD690G, with integrated Radeon X1250). Xorg H/W accelerated 2D with open drivers?
[05:17] <srihari> With KVM also?
[05:17] <ubuntu> yes allot
[05:17] <jasin> No one wants to port games over to linux because 70% of all gamers are on xbox, wii, playstations, and windows.
[05:18] <soulrider_> !info kooka
[05:18] <ubotu> kooka: scanner program for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 743 kB, installed size 1204 kB
[05:18] <newGuy> Can anyone help me with writting a simple shell script?
[05:18] <ubuntu> !pastebin
[05:18] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:18] <Tired_> jasin -> catch-22...the gmers are there cuz theres no games
[05:18] <flaccid> Linux_Galore_: is opengl and sdl 3d?
[05:18] <soulrider_> jasin: there are some awesome games for linux
[05:18] <BluesKaj> i hope they fixed kooka ...it sucks on my scanner
[05:18] <jasin> Tired_,  not really, people were gaming on those things long before there ever was a ubuntu
[05:18] <kalorin`> newGuy: I do some shell scripting
[05:18] <ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16959/
[05:18] <kalorin`> what do you need?
[05:19] <david_> Hello!  I have a question.  How do I install my Nvidia video card on Kubuntu?  The gnome ubuntu did it automatically, but I have no idea what to do in Kubuntu
[05:19] <Tired_> but not long before there was a linux
[05:19] <soulrider_> BluesKaj: it detects my dads canner, the name and everything, but it doesnt scan :P
[05:19] <jasin> soulrider, true but their few and far between
[05:19] <soulrider_> ubuntu:  could you please change that name ? =/
[05:19] <Alonea> also, how do you add a script to your "Session Startup Programs" list
[05:19] <Tired_> lol, he's been ubuntu all day now
[05:19] <ubuntu> sure...how?
[05:19] <aro> Type /nick name
[05:19] <ubuntu> haha
[05:19] <aro> Where name is your new name
[05:20] <ubuntu> ok
[05:20] <naegling23> ubuntu: wow, those are some errors!
[05:20] <Tired_> is tere a purely social IRC for kubuntu users anywhere?
[05:20] <soulrider_> !ntfs
[05:20] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:20] <BluesKaj> soulrider_, kooka works on myscanner, but the results are pretty bad vs the windows program (I hate to admit )
[05:20] <ubuntu> yeah
[05:21] <david_> Anybody know how I can get my video card to install correctly?  It did it by itself on the standard gnome ubuntu but not on the KDE Kubuntu...
[05:21] <jasin> tired, not true, nitendo has been around since 1983
[05:21] <naegling23> ubuntu: you were upgrading from dapper to?
[05:21] <ubuntu> I   keep getting errors when I try to change my nic name
[05:21] <flaccid> Linux_Galore_: i just installed bzflag. runs fine!!
[05:22] <ubuntu> the next one
[05:22] <ubuntu> forgot the name
[05:22] <naegling23> ubuntu "edgy"?
[05:22] <ubuntu> yes
[05:22] <LeeJunFan> david_: what kind of video card do you have?
[05:22] <david_> I think it's a gforce 6200...
[05:22] <Alonea> anyone?
[05:23] <BluesKaj> Tired_, #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:23] <ubuntu> my sources have edgy supositories
[05:23] <LeeJunFan> david_: you could try running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -p high xserver-xorg' and see if that get's X up and running.
[05:23] <kalorin`> -p high?
[05:23] <david_> I'll try that LeejunFan... :) thx
[05:23] <naegling23> ubuntu: type sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list and verify that all of them have been changed
[05:24] <jasin> Kernel 1.0.0  wasn't even released until March 14th 1994.
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> kalorin`: only asks questions with high priority - guesses most of the mundane things - w/o -p high -p critical it's going to ask a TON of questions about setting up X.
[05:25] <naegling23> ubuntu: you can always try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, but that might give you feisty....
[05:25] <ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16962/
[05:26] <david_> Okay.. I'm in the "Configuring xserver xorg" thing in the terminal... Which driver should I select?
[05:26] <ubuntu> well, I was told that could be trouble if I did that
[05:26] <LeeJunFan> david_: there should be an nv or nvidea I would imagine, unfortunately (and I really mean that) I only have ATI systems.
[05:26] <LeeJunFan> nvidia that is.
[05:27] <kalorin`> ah ok
[05:27] <vbgunz> ubuntu, what version of ubuntu do you have?
[05:27] <naegling23> ubuntu: possibly, its not the greatest, but if you missed one of the reposotories, you could have massive problems
[05:27] <kalorin`> must finish homework before getting into 6 hour battle with ATI drivers
[05:28] <[Relic] > !nvidia
[05:28] <Alonea> kalorin`: I just used envy to install my ati fglrx drivers
[05:28] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:28] <vbgunz> I ran into a big problem upgrading from Edgy to Feisty, though it turns out I just had to uninstall ipython .73 for some reason then my upgrade went just fine
[05:28] <Tired_> ... I thought Java was spposed to come with Feisty
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> kalorin`: hehe. I gave up on the ATI drivers, as well as ATI and AMD in all.  Thanks... I did that and selected a 1280x1024 resolution...
[05:28] <david_> But i'm still in 800x600
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> kalorin`: I just use the open source ones.
[05:28] <kalorin`> yeah
[05:29] <kalorin`> I would but I started down this road and I don't really know about going back
[05:29] <ubuntu> sorry had to leave the room
[05:29] <kalorin`> and this system is going to have a finite lifetime
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> david_: hrm. can you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[05:29] <ubuntu> how do I find out what I have?
[05:29] <Alonea> kalorin`: yeah, http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> !paste | david_
[05:29] <ubotu> david_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:29] <kalorin`> I want to upgrade, I don't really mind the ATI stuff all things considered, and it's an Athlon 64 system so I don't mind that stuff too much
[05:29] <jasin> Console gaming was around long before windows, mac, and linux gaming.
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> ubuntu: cat /etc/issue
[05:29] <kalorin`> the core 2 duo's 6320 is where I think i'mg oing to go
[05:30] <Kansi> will you try the fluxbuntu?
[05:30] <kalorin`> fluxbuntu?
[05:30] <Kansi> yeah...
[05:30] <kalorin`> dogbuntu
[05:30] <kalorin`> catbuntu
[05:30] <kalorin`> getting crazy
[05:30] <ubuntu> 6.06 lts
[05:30] <Kansi> yeap
[05:30] <LeeJunFan> kalorin`: my current 3 home systems are all ATI/AMD, but I'm just fed up with ATI's failed promises and lack of good drivers for Linux.
[05:31] <kalorin`> leejun, their drivers seem to work fine, it's just installing them
[05:31] <LeeJunFan> ubuntu: that's dapper
[05:31] <ubuntu> yeah I know
[05:31] <jasin> if i needed speed i'd run xubuntu not flux.
[05:31] <ubuntu> I   thought I was upgrading
[05:31] <ubuntu> lol
[05:31] <naegling23> ubuntu: I would make sure all reposotories say edgy instead of dapper, if they dont, change them
[05:31] <[Relic] > envy work for nvidia in 7.04?
[05:31] <naegling23> relic, yes
[05:32] <LeeJunFan> kalorin`: I run on a laptop, and it seems every other release breaks suspend to RAM which I really can't stand not having. As well as their driver not supporting composit extensions.
[05:32] <ubuntu> I didnt see any that said dapper
[05:32] <cobrien> How do I change the max resolution on a box?   It's at 800x600 right now...  I want it at 1280..  it's something like apt-get install pkg_reconfigure_xorg or something like that isn't it?
[05:32] <ubuntu> I put it in pastebin just to make sure I didnt miss anything
[05:33] <naegling23> ubuntu: I can only see the first few lines, you would need to scroll down
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> cobrien: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -p high xserver-xorg
[05:33] <kalorin`> oh yeah I dont' care much about beryl or whatever, so composite to me means nothing
[05:33] <kalorin`> haven't found anything that I need it for
[05:33] <ubuntu> oh ok
[05:34] <[Relic] > how do I install the .deb then?
[05:34] <cobrien> leejunfan: cool... thx...  Was that an option when I installed using the alternate cd?
[05:34] <ubuntu> I closed out
[05:34] <ubuntu> what was the command again?
[05:34] <bobesponja> hey
[05:34] <LeeJunFan> cobrien: it should have been, but easily missed if you don't pay attention when going thru the X config.
[05:34] <kdawg> heres a question, in system settings>monitor>hardware, it still says I am using the nv driver with my nvidia 6800, and I have the proprietary driver installed... what gives?
[05:34] <bobesponja> I've just upgraded from edgy to feisty
[05:34] <kdawg> Relic: sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[05:34] <AmyRose> bobesponja: How do you like it?
[05:34] <david_> Here's the pastebin you asked for LeeJunFan... Thanks:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16963/
[05:34] <naegling23> sudo nano /etc/apt sources.lst
[05:35] <cobrien> leejunfan: ahh...  I think I did miss it...  dpkg-reconfigure appears to be used often...  is that so?
[05:35] <ubuntu> holly carp
[05:35] <LeeJunFan> cobrien: mostly for X, there are times it's handy for other things but not often used as it is for xserver.
[05:35] <ubuntu> crap
[05:36] <LeeJunFan> david_: that's odd - it should be in 1024x768, the X config looks right.
[05:36] <ubuntu> there is nothing there
[05:36] <bobesponja> AmyRose: my mouse doesn't work as before, I can't open tabs by clicking on the mouse wheel and I can't past by clicking on the mouse wheel
[05:36] <bobesponja> AmyRose: something bad happened with my mouse during the upgrade
[05:36] <bobesponja> AmyRose: any idea what might it be?
[05:36] <ubuntu> says "no buffer"''
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> david_: ah, but you wanted 1280.
[05:37] <david_> ok.... Well, I guess I might go off and try to find a driver directly from Nvidia or something... I'm pretty new to linux, so I don't know much about getting this working...
[05:37] <naegling23> ubuntu: i have no idea what that means
[05:37] <david_> Yeah I have a huge monitor that only looks right in 1280 lol
[05:38] <LeeJunFan> david_: you may have misschecked the one you wanted? you can run the dpkg-reconfigure again or you can manually edit xorg.conf and add "1280x1024" to the line under Depth 24, then of course restart X
[05:38] <AmyRose> bobesponja: What sort of mouse do you have?
[05:38] <cobrien> Oh baby... here comes Beryl!
[05:38] <ubuntu> this is crazy
[05:38] <david_> Oh cool... Thanks.. :)  I'll try that
[05:38] <ubuntu> how can it just disappear
[05:38] <bobesponja> AmyRose: usb genius optical
[05:38] <morphinex> howdy folks, is there a konqueror channel?
[05:39] <david_> bbl for now...
[05:39] <LeeJunFan> morphinex: not really, but if you have some very specific KDE type questions maybe #kde would be a good place?
[05:39] <cobrien> morph: not that I know of, but there is a KDE channel, i think.
[05:39] <naegling23> ubunut: i dont know if it disappeared, you just got a buffer error...whatever that means
[05:39] <morphinex> thanks, i'll try it
[05:39] <cobrien> amyrose: have you ever seen the 3m RenMouse?  :)
[05:39] <ubuntu> out of memory?
[05:39] <ubuntu> I'm still on live cd
[05:40] <naegling23> ubuntu: I would try a reboot and see if you can get anywhere, you might be able to get back to X and fix things from there
[05:40] <xjkx> you sure that add/remove thing on kubuntu is app-install-data ? i installed it here on debian (using ubuntu source) and there was no binaries ! there is one with binaries, gnome-app-install, but this one surely is not Kde things
[05:41] <naegling23> ubuntu: you dont need your sources.lst except for stuff like updates, you can find some sources.lst files online and stuff
[05:41] <ubuntu> ok, wish me luck
[05:41] <ubuntu> ok
[05:41] <ubuntu> out...
[05:41] <bobleny> Hey, does it hurt anything if I run "apt-get upgrade" in one session window and other commands in another window?
[05:41] <naegling23> ubuntu: good luck, im heading to bed, i wont be here when you get back
[05:41] <ubuntu> ok, thanks for your help
[05:41] <bobleny> While it's running I mean...
[05:41] <naegling23> ubuntu: hopefully someone else can finish it off, your on the right path
[05:42] <LeeJunFan> bobleny: as long as the other commands aren't killall apt-get or reboot type of commands - no.
[05:42] <bobleny> Ok
[05:42] <LeeJunFan> bobleny: you won't be able to run other apt-get's, but any other type of thing is fine.
[05:43] <Alonea> whats the adept fix thing? I can't get into it now.
[05:43] <bobleny> Ok
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> !adeptcrashfix
[05:43] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:43] <sdlnxgk> anyone have issues with upgrading to feisty from edgy???
[05:43] <Alonea> The APT Database could not be opened! is that the thing that fixes?
[05:43] <sstchur> has anyone else experienced adept notifier acting rather odd with beryl running?
[05:43] <bobleny> One other question though....
[05:43] <bobleny> Does anyone in here have truecrypt for linux? If so, could you tell me how to create a volume with a password and a keyfile? When I use "truecrypt -c", I go through the prompts just fine, but then it promts me for "Enter keyfile path [finish] :". If I hit enter, it has a fatil error, other wise, it won't stop promptimg me for it. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I've looked through the man file over and over... Could someone help?
[05:43] <hitmanWilly> sstchur, yes, its a bug in it
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> Alonea: it should.
[05:44] <Yorokobi> bobleny, read the manual, its pretty clear
[05:44] <Alonea> LeeJunFan: didn't work
[05:44] <Tired_> ... I thought Java was spposed to come with Feisty.  how come  have to download it?
[05:44] <bobleny> I Yorokobi, I have and not it didn't help.
[05:44] <carutsu> just a question too many fonts slow down linux too?
[05:44] <hitmanWilly> Tired_, legal issues
[05:44] <Cosmo_> I was attempting to upgrade my mother's laptop from 6.10 to 7.04 and I am not sure what she did but when I boot up now on it it goes to the command line and says "/bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off" any way to fix this?
[05:45] <Tired_> oh.  lame
[05:45] <cobrien> Alright!   My mouse cursor disappeared... It still selects things and I can click them, but I can't see it.
[05:45] <sdlnxgk> Cosmo I get the same thing
[05:45] <sstchur> hitmanWilly: I've just been killing it... is there any workaround?
[05:45] <cobrien> I turned on Beyrl and my screen went white...  I had to kill the WM...  yay!
[05:45] <hitmanWilly> sstchur, not that im aware of, i usually do the same thing
[05:46] <sdlnxgk> Cosmo I get the same message but also says something about can't find /dev/hdb1 which is my primary hard drive
[05:46] <[Relic] > !sensors
[05:46] <ubotu> You might find something useful at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[05:46] <hitmanWilly> sstchur, when im running beryl, that is :)
[05:46] <cobrien> Anyone know how to restart my mouse daemon or something?
[05:46] <phyerboss> Cosmo: just do a full reinstall to 7.04...I ran into issues during the upgrade myself
[05:46] <srihari> Cosmo_, are /dev/tty* exist?
[05:46] <phyerboss> so I burnt the 7.04 CD and ran that
[05:47] <LeeJunFan> Alonea: hrm, dunno - maybe try asking in #ubuntu since it's an apt problem, there are more people there - more chance someone might know.
[05:47] <sdlnxgk> phyerboss: the only thing is I really would like to back up my stuff before doing a full install
[05:47] <Cosmo_> phyerboss: thanks
[05:47] <sstchur> hitmanWilly: ok, well it's comforting to know i'm not the only one
[05:47] <Alonea> LeeJunFan: ok.
[05:47] <LeeJunFan> cobrien: there really isn't a mouse deamon in X.
[05:47] <phyerboss> good point!...sorry Cosmo
[05:47] <_ron> Hello. How can I check to see what version I am running/
[05:47] <phyerboss> be sure to back everything up^^
[05:47] <hitmanWilly> !bug
[05:47] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[05:47] <sdlnxgk> phyerboss: is there any way to go back to edgy???
[05:48] <phyerboss> I could not say, as i myself am still new to it all
[05:48] <phyerboss> i just know that when i did the update/upgrade it went haywire
[05:48] <phyerboss> due to broken packages that were still in my apt cache thingie
[05:48] <phyerboss> heh
[05:49] <sdlnxgk> any GURU's here tonight??? is there a way to go back to edgy after trying upgrade to feisty??
[05:49] <phyerboss> so, the best option was using the cd
[05:49] <sdlnxgk> I just should have said no I don't want to upgrade..
[05:49] <sdlnxgk> Edgy was running great :)
[05:49] <phyerboss> as for jumping back to a previous ver...i cant say=\
[05:49] <phyerboss> well for 1 of us
[05:49] <sdlnxgk> hmmmmmmmmmmmm
[05:49] <LeeJunFan> sdlnxgk: short answer == no.
[05:49] <phyerboss> heh
[05:50] <srihari> _ron, not sure what version you're after. If it's ubuntu/kubuntu etc., then it displays the version at the console. ctrl_alt+f1 if you're in X already.
[05:50] <phyerboss> mine's was a tad probelematic
[05:50] <phyerboss> fiesty is awesome
[05:50] <sdlnxgk> LeeJunFan: even if I change the sources.list back to edgy and upgrade??
[05:50] <phyerboss> everything i was having issues with BAM! Fixed right out the box
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> sdlnxgk: that wont work because the dependancies won't follow things backwards where a package provides another package, etc...
[05:51] <phyerboss> EXCEPT: I still cant stream any media files over my network!
[05:51] <sdlnxgk> maybe maybe i'll  download while on live cd and back up my stuff to my other drives while I can :)
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> sdlnxgk: your best bet at this point would be to tackle the problems you have with feisty.
[05:51] <sdlnxgk> phyerboss: just had got that fixed was using icecast2 and mpd to stream ;)
[05:52] <phyerboss> so you can play mp3's and movie files from one pc on your network to another?
[05:52] <sdlnxgk> LeeJunFan: did all the updates but for some odd reason says it can't find my hard drive..
[05:52] <LeeJunFan> sdlnxgk: cant find your HD? does it boot?
[05:52] <phyerboss> because i d/l'ed plugin after plugin...nuthin
[05:52] <sdlnxgk> phyerboss: never tried movies before...  you might want to use vlc viewer for that...
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> sdlnxgk: it's probably got to do with the UUID stuff.
[05:53] <phyerboss> hmm
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> !uuid
[05:53] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[05:53] <Alonea> its like, I can do apt-get update, and thats it.
[05:53] <mike________--> hey
[05:54] <maniac> hey guys
[05:54] <mike________--> i'm having this kind of odd problem
[05:54] <maniac> sup?
[05:54] <maniac> first time on irc....
[05:54] <mike________--> yeah
[05:54] <riggatoney> wlcome
[05:54] <maniac> trying out the kubuntu live cd
[05:54] <maniac> thx
[05:54] <mike________--> when i launch firefox it opens the clear private data window and i click clear and it really doesn't do anything
[05:54] <mike________--> and firefox crashes
[05:55] <maniac> close that window
[05:55] <_ron> !upgrade
[05:55] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[05:55] <mike________--> i've purged it and reinstalled
[05:55] <maniac> then click ctrl+shift+delete
[05:55] <_ron> Will that work to upgrade from breezy?
[05:55] <mike________--> i guess
[05:55] <Alonea> LeeJunFan: could this be the problem? I do not have a gpg.conf file in /home/alonea/.gnupb/
[05:55] <mike________--> lol you're still using breezy?
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> mike________--: if you don't have any bookmarks,passwords saved you can't lose try removing ~/.mozilla
[05:55] <maniac> damn, jubuntu is nice
[05:56] <sdlnxgk> LeeJunFan: it boots but says something about can't find "/bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off"
[05:56] <mike________--> k
[05:56] <maniac> what version u all using?
[05:56] <LeeJunFan> Alonea: I don't think so - that shouldnt' stop it from working - only make it complain.
[05:56] <LeeJunFan> sdlnxgk: you don't have your own kernel compiled do you?
[05:56] <Alonea> LeeJunFan: ok, wait, I checked and it exists, but if I try to open it with a text thing in the terminal it says not found...
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> Alonea: maybe permissions are messed up somehow in your ~?  'sudo chown -R [username]  /home/[username] ' will fix that
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> ownership I mean.
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> sdlnxgk, you can always use ln to create it
[05:58] <bobleny> Does anyone in here have truecrypt for linux? If so, could you tell me how to create a volume with a password and a keyfile? When I use "truecrypt -c", I go through the prompts just fine, but then it promts me for "Enter keyfile path [finish] :". If I hit enter, it has a fatil error, other wise, it won't stop promptimg me for it. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I've looked through the man file over and over... Could someone help?
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> sdlnxgk, /bin/sh is just a link to a cmd shell anyway
[05:59] <Cosmo_> anyone have a link to the 7.04 desktop torrent ?
[05:59] <LeeJunFan> hitmanWilly: that could be his problem, maybe it linked to dash and dash isn't installed.
[05:59] <shawn34> Cosmo_, ubunyu.com
[05:59] <newuser> hello
[05:59] <hitmanWilly> LeeJunFan, i always manually link mine to bash anyway
[05:59] <cobrien> Ok...  I've done the dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[06:00] <newuser> i am trying to setup uspalsh but with no luck
[06:00] <cobrien> Now what do I do?   KDE still doesn't offer the option of changing the rez.
[06:00] <cobrien> The max is still 800
[06:00] <LeeJunFan> sdlnxgk: /bin/sh links to /bin/dash by default now instead of bash, so if dash is somehow missing or the link didn't get created you may need to make a link for /bin/sh
[06:00] <loki_> so i upgraded to 7.04 and now i can't get into kde :|
[06:00] <LeeJunFan> hitmanWilly: me too.
[06:00] <steve_> bobbleny, I use TrueCrypt extensively.  One problem I should alert you to is that the newest version of Ubuntu (Feisty) has kernel issues with TrueCrypt.  What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[06:00] <newuser> has anyone setup uspalsh on kubuntu 7.04
[06:00] <loki_> err kdm or whatever doesn't load after getting 7.04
[06:01] <Cosmo_> shawn34: duh, don't know why I didn't think to just check that, too easy I guess  =)
[06:01] <LeeJunFan> loki_: do you get any GUI stuff or just the text console?
[06:01] <loki_> i get that loading gui
[06:01] <loki_> and then kicks me to the command line
[06:01] <Jisao> How to I find the IP address of a URL?
[06:01] <loki_> right now there's just a blinking cursor
[06:01] <bobleny> steve_: I am using edgy eft.
[06:01] <Alonea> LeeJunFan: when I do sudo apt-get update there are some edgy sources mixed in there. could that be it?
[06:01] <LeeJunFan> loki_: try reconfiguring X with this command 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -p high xserver-xorg'
[06:02] <loki_> ok
[06:02] <LeeJunFan> Alonea: I suppose it's possible, but I've never seen that error so I'm not really sure what the cause is of it.
[06:02] <Alonea> LeeJunFan: How would I stop it from looking at the edgy source its looking at? its not in my sources.list
[06:03] <newuser> usplash bootsplash anyone ?   i am unable to setup usplash on kubuntu 7.04 , anyone has had luck with it ?
[06:03] <ubuntu> I'm back and its a no go
[06:03] <loki_> ok same blinking cursor again
[06:04] <ubuntu> but at least I did gain a command prompt
[06:04] <cobrien> LeeJunFan: i did that, but the KDE's max is still 800.
[06:04] <Alonea> E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header...
[06:04] <LeeJunFan> Alonea: if they aren't in your sources.list they may be in the sources.d dir?
[06:04] <bobleny> steve_: would it be possible to speak to on a less busy channel? Say #bob?
[06:04] <steve_> bobleny, I'm glad to hear you're running Edgy. TrueCrypt will work with Edgy. (Please don't upgrade to Feisty just yet; they are making some adjustments to TrueCrypt to familiarize it with the new kernel.)  Now, as to your problem, let me ask, did you install from a .deb file, or did you compile it yourself?
[06:05] <maniac> #bob
[06:05] <ubuntu> typed in kde at the prompt: it tried to load, but kicked me out
[06:05] <maniac> anyone here know how to install kubuntu on the hard drive WITHOUT messing up the vista boot config?
[06:05] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu, try startx
[06:05] <ubuntu> then I typed it again: bad command
[06:05] <maniac> last time i tried.....it erased it
[06:05] <LeeJunFan> cobrien: hrm, if you have a look at your xorg.conf again, make sure it still says 1280x1024, kde-guidance will try to autodetect your video hardware and can overwrite your X config - something I don't really agree with, but the aim was to make it so people could swap gfx cards and still have a working X.
[06:06] <ubuntu> ahhh, ok
[06:06] <xjkx> you sure that add/remove thing on kubuntu is app-install-data ? i installed it here on debian (using ubuntu source) and there was no binaries ! there is one with binaries, gnome-app-install, but this one surely is not Kde things
[06:06] <ubuntu> reboot again
[06:06] <loki_> ok got it working, had to reinstall the nvidia driver
[06:06] <bobleny> steve_: um... I don't remeber, I belive I belive I downloaded the file from the truecrypt site, and followed a online guide to install it.
[06:06] <steve_> moving to #bob; see you there in a moment.
[06:06] <LeeJunFan> loki_: cool - so you're all set now?
[06:07] <xjkx> could anyone run the add/remove thing and run ps -aux and tell me the exactly name? :D
[06:07] <xjkx> exact*
[06:07] <hitmanWilly> xjkx, adept_installer
[06:07] <xjkx> thanks
[06:08] <maniac> anyone know about a linux version/thing of .NET?
[06:08] <maniac> as in if it exists
[06:08] <maniac> ?
[06:08] <LeeJunFan> !info mono
[06:08] <ubotu> mono: Mono CLI (.NET) runtime. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1 kB, installed size 24 kB
[06:08] <maniac> what do i use to compile the source?
[06:09] <LeeJunFan> my brain almost imploded trying to remember the name of that. hehe
[06:09] <LeeJunFan> !build
[06:09] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:09] <maniac> i have like 20 projects i wanna port to linux from .NET
[06:10] <LeeJunFan> oh, to build for .net - I have no idea. Never worked with it - I've been trying to avoid all MS related things for years now.
[06:10] <cobrien> LeeJunFan: sorry for being dull here..  but how do I open kde-guidance?
[06:10] <Shaddox> Hi everyone.
[06:10] <Shaddox> I have a question.
[06:10] <LeeJunFan> cobrien: you don't really, it's just something that's run during startup, first you want to make sure that's your problem.
[06:10] <LeeJunFan> cobrien: if you're xorg.conf still has 1280x1024 then that's probably not your problem.
[06:11] <maniac> "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware" doesn't say anything about compiling Mono
[06:11] <maniac> :P
[06:12] <cobrien> LeeJunFan: yeah...  1280x1024 is the only one on my color depth of 24...  24 is set to default.
[06:12] <Alonea> LeeJunFan: Do you know what preferences file it is talking about?
[06:12] <phyerboss> AAAARGH!!!
[06:12] <phyerboss> Im seriously at the end of my rope here withthis network playback
[06:12] <LeeJunFan> Alonea: sorry - I must have missed something, I didn't see anything about a preferences file.
[06:13] <Alonea> LeeJunFan: nm, I think I just found it. E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header
[06:13] <LeeJunFan> cobrien: hrm, this isn't making much sense. Is the 1280x1024 the first one listed (leftmost)? It should start with the one listed to the leftmost.
[06:13] <phyerboss> all i know is when i for the absolute 1st time installed kubuntu & also pclinux on another occasion, I could stream my movies & mp3's over my network from 1 machine to this
[06:14] <cobrien> LeeJunFan: yeah... it's the leftmost one..
[06:14] <phyerboss> now ever since I dropped pclinux and came back to kubuntu, I cannot do it
[06:14] <cobrien> LeeJunFan: might be that my monitor is set too low?
[06:14] <phyerboss> amarok & kaffeine both keep telling me i have missing plugins
[06:14] <Alonea> LeeJunFan: figured it out. pref. file I added was messed up
[06:14] <phyerboss> yet i dont know what they are
[06:15] <LeeJunFan> cobrien: could be - depending on the monitor, but normally the PC decides the resolution the monitor is "supposed" to follow. However if the monitor reports to the PC that it can't support X resolution then Xorg won't try to use t.
[06:15] <phyerboss> i just about installed any and everything marked "network" as far as mp3, avi, mov, mpeg...etc
[06:15] <cobrien> LeeJunFan: wild...
[06:17] <LeeJunFan> cobrien: when the monitor is connected it gives the PC a list of resolutions it supports, (if it's vesa compliant - which all new monitors usually are), X should be able to use any of those, but if there's some setting in the monitor that will make it not report that the higher resolutions are available then X won't try to use them.
[06:18] <RoboSheep> I just tried Beryl and my windows' title bars disappeared.
[06:19] <renato> is anyone else's browsing experience with Feisty a lil buggy?
[06:19] <ubuntu> startx took me further
[06:19] <cobrien> LeeJunFan: looks like dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg without any options is taking me through everything.
[06:19] <cobrien> we'll see what happens.
[06:19] <LeeJunFan> RoboSheep: beryl probably crashed, did you install emerald or aquamarine as well?
[06:19] <ubuntu> but still nothing
[06:19] <RoboSheep> Emerald
[06:19] <ubuntu> I am hearing more and more about feisty is 'living up to its name'
[06:20] <LeeJunFan> RoboSheep: beryl has a habbit of crashing sometimes like that, if you have the beryl-manager running (red diamond icon in your task tray) right click and restart window manager.
[06:20] <RoboSheep> ok thanks
[06:20] <sdlnxgk> ok got all booted up on laptop
[06:20] <sdlnxgk> LeeJunFan: got a new message this time when booting up
[06:21] <ubuntu> no probs on dapper, till it started getting 'messed with'
[06:21] <sdlnxgk> Busy box v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-3ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash) Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.
[06:22] <renato> I have the overall feeling that Feisty is buggy
[06:22] <cobrien> LeeJunFan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg without any options is what did it.
[06:22] <sdlnxgk> "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off"
[06:22] <ubuntu> thats why Ii'm going to get a fresh install of edgy
[06:22] <phyerboss> hey LeeJunFan, since we're on the Beryl thing, I have it installed as well. I can use the 3d effects but no window borders...is Aquamarine and emerald all you can use?
[06:22] <LeeJunFan> cobrien: odd, but good I guess.
[06:22] <ubuntu> my friends have no probs with it
[06:22] <LeeJunFan> phyerboss: all I've ever used, I like emerald.
[06:23] <renato> yeah, I didn't have probs with it as well
[06:23] <ubuntu> I have dapper, but its too out dated
[06:23] <renato> but I wanted the new thing
[06:23] <phyerboss> hmm...let me try that then
[06:23] <ubuntu> know what you mean
[06:23] <sdlnxgk> LeeJunFan: how can I  link that like you were saying before??
[06:23] <renato> it's buggy, and it doesn't have anything new
[06:24] <ubuntu> I hear that the new suse is nice though
[06:24] <LeeJunFan> sdlnxgk: well - it dropped you in busybox tells me that initrd didn't finish - what I'd try is booting with init=/bin/bash option, that should get you to a working console where you can make the symlink you need.
[06:24] <ubuntu> keeping my options open
[06:24] <renato> I tried suse, and if you ever had edgy, you'll think it's crap
[06:24] <pdroy> I dont think anything can beat the Ubuntu base
[06:24] <LeeJunFan> sdlnxgk: so when the grub menu comes up hit e
[06:24] <Shaddox> Hi everyone.
[06:24] <ubuntu> oh really?
[06:25] <renato> the loader screen on suse is cool though
[06:25] <ubuntu> is edgy that different from dapper?
[06:25] <LeeJunFan> sdlnxgk: then choose the line with all the kernel options, etc, add init=/bin/bash, hit enter, b to boot, then when it boots do rm -f /bin/sh && ln -s /bin/bash /bin/sh
[06:25] <renato> edgy is a giant leap from dapper
[06:25] <ubuntu> wow
[06:25] <renato> feisty isn't
[06:26] <sdlnxgk> LeeJunFan: I don't never see the grub option when i'ts loading
[06:26] <ubuntu> do you use 32 or 64 bit version?
[06:26] <sdlnxgk> but i'll give a try
[06:26] <LeeJunFan> no, feisty isn't much diff than edgy on the surface, and most of the core changes (under the hood) aren't very noticeable.
[06:26] <renato> sdlnxgk: that is probably because you are not dual booting
[06:27] <LeeJunFan> sdlnxgk: should have a "hit escape for grub menu" or something to that effect.
[06:27] <LeeJunFan> or that
[06:27] <sdlnxgk> renato: correct I don't have a dual boot system...
[06:27] <Shaddox> Hi everyone again ^^
[06:27] <renato> sdlnxgk:  lucky you, lol
[06:27] <david_> Hello again... i edited xorg.conf, but it won't let me save it because I'm not the root user.... i'm sure there's a simple way to get around this...
[06:27] <LeeJunFan> sdlnxgk: it should have the "hit escape" message for 3 or 5 sec before it boots then.
[06:28] <sdlnxgk> LeeJunFan:  will give that a try  right now then ;)
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> !sudo | david
[06:28] <ubotu> david: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:28] <Alonea> ok, I installed the XGL, but when I put in beryl in the terminal, it says AIGLX...
[06:28] <renato> david_: but this time type sudo before everything you did
[06:28] <sdlnxgk> I have win xp  this  laptop only for my g/f she is a non linux user and needs it for her work at school
[06:28] <david_> hmm....
[06:29] <adydas> Whats a good image batch resizeing program
[06:29] <renato> david_: if you didn't use a terminal you probably tried to write the file with kate or something
[06:29] <adydas> KDE based
[06:29] <david_> LOL yeah exactly......
[06:29] <ubuntu> ok folks, good night
[06:30] <renato> david_: if you are running kubuntu, you shoul right click on the file, and go to "actions" and then click on "edit as root"
[06:30] <ubuntu> nice talking to you renato
[06:30] <ubuntu> later
[06:30] <sdlnxgk> Night ubuntu
[06:30] <renato> you too ubuntu
[06:30] <david_> sweet... edit as root
[06:31] <renato> there you go david_
[06:31] <sdlnxgk> I like using kdesu <program_name> to run as root ;)
[06:32] <david_> ahhh success
[06:32] <userbn> halo
[06:32] <renato> nice dave
[06:32] <sdlnxgk> LeeJunFan: no  good hitting esc only changes from 1 to 0 and still stalls and gives that same message
[06:32] <userbn> nick ku jadi apaan yha?
[06:32] <renato> don't forget to tip your waiter
 hehe
[06:33] <renato> not in a gay way, lol
[06:35] <phyerboss> well, that "borked" bad^^...still getting boderless windows...even worse, now I cant see my kicker menu
[06:35] <phyerboss> its all blacked out
[06:36] <phyerboss> but i can rotate and zoom^^
[06:36] <phyerboss> hahaha
[06:36] <hitmanWilly> phyerboss, do you use an nvidia card?
[06:36] <phyerboss> yeah
[06:37] <renato> I once had dapper installed on my laptop, and decided to try out the suspend mode, and it crashed so badly I had to reinstall the whole os
[06:37] <hitmanWilly> phyerboss, run sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals in a terminal, then restart x
[06:37] <phyerboss> its integrated vid(6100-m9)
[06:37] <renato> since then, I leave everything as it is phyerboss
[06:37] <phyerboss> problem: I cant see anything in the kicker menu to bring up my terminal
[06:38] <lnxkde> nice
[06:38] <hitmanWilly> phyerboss, oh wait, this isn't a beryl issues is it?
[06:38] <lnxkde> Kubuntu and Ubuntu 7.04 wont boot on my desktop
[06:38] <lnxkde> :/
[06:38] <phyerboss> its beryl
[06:38] <hitmanWilly> phyerboss, ok, that will fix the borderless windows
[06:39] <hitmanWilly> phyerboss, alt-f2 then type konsole
[06:39] <Alonea> anyone know anything about beryl? I installed it, but when I put in beryl in the terminal, it says AIGLX, instead of the XGL i installed..
[06:39] <hitmanWilly> phyerboss, will get you a terminal
[06:39] <renato> really? does Kubuntu come with beryl?
[06:39] <phyerboss> hey thanks
[06:40] <adydas> No renato
[06:40] <renato> and it works?
[06:40] <renato> oh, I thought so adydas
[06:41] <phyerboss> hitmanWilly: no good=\
[06:41] <phyerboss> restart x
[06:41] <phyerboss> bash: restart: command not found
[06:42] <phyerboss> thats what I get when I restart x
[06:42] <phyerboss> the previous command you told me, went in fine
[06:42] <phyerboss> it just wont restart the xserver
[06:42] <xjkx> What mp3 player comes on kubuntu by default?
[06:42] <renato> amarok
[06:42] <hitmanWilly> phyerboss, try ctrl-alt-bksp to restart x
[06:43] <renato> sweet if you ask me xjkx
[06:43] <Alonea> "Feisty's X.org 7.2 includes AIGLX, and it's enabled by default." is there a way to disable it?
[06:43] <adydas> renato: do you want kubuntu with Berly
[06:43] <adydas> renato: do you use Nvida?
[06:43] <renato> not at all, thak you adydas
[06:43] <surgy> !iso
[06:43] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[06:43] <xjkx> renato, sweet, but heard its heavy
[06:43] <adydas> ah ok, i was going to suggest a cool howto
[06:44] <adydas> i got beryl going in 5 command line steps
[06:44] <adydas> with a Nvidia car
[06:44] <adydas> d
[06:44] <renato> I bet it's heavy if you install on ubuntu, because it has to install everything that kde has that gnome doesn't xjkx
[06:44] <xjkx> o.o
[06:44] <renato> I tried suse with compiz preinstalled, and it just didn't do it for me adydas
[06:45] <xjkx> renato, do you know which one comes on ubuntu? I am like comparing
[06:45] <renato> I think amarok is the only thing in K that I am 100% satisfied with
[06:45] <pdroy> renato: thats not a fair analysis
[06:45] <pdroy> that are lot of other things
[06:46] <renato> rhytmbox I believe, xjkx
[06:46] <phyerboss> uh...guess beryl is out the question for me^^
[06:46] <xjkx> never heard about rhytmbox :>
[06:46] <renato> what is pdroy
[06:46] <renato> ??
[06:46] <xjkx> renato, you sure its typed right, couldnt find such package
[06:47] <renato> rhythmbox
[06:47] <pdroy> There are lot of other things than amarok thats good on K, I have fonund most of the times in my office, to work with many other OS in a network K is the best
[06:47] <andrewkk> i just slammed my laptop on the desk; how do i run a disk check on the root partition?
[06:48] <phyerboss> pdroy: what are you using to play music over a network?
[06:48] <renato> I know things are good pdroy, I'm nothing but a Kub lover, but not everything gives me a 100% satisfaction
[06:48] <pdroy> phyerboss: sorry didnt have to do that yet
[06:48] <phyerboss> ok
[06:49] <pdroy> that you re right, renato; I dont like konq for browsing
[06:49] <renato> for example, or Kopete
[06:49] <LeeJunFan> I love konq for browsing - when it works.
[06:49] <adydas> renato: sweet as, to be fair i installed it and i Never use it.. standard KDE does my needs fine unless im showing off
[06:49] <adydas> the novety wears right off
[06:49] <pdroy> am using Kopete now, I used to use Gaim beofre
[06:49] <pdroy> *before
[06:49] <renato> exactly adydas, and it wears off quickly
[06:50] <renato> and you're left with a resource eating monster adydas
[06:51] <pdroy> I have shifted to G more than 3 times and then after a month I finally end up with K :)
[06:51] <renato> yeah, pdroy, but if you've used live messenger or yahoo m, neither Kopete or Gaim will be enough
[06:51] <renato> and that's just because of "being used to" reasons
[06:51] <pdroy> I actually did not know K when I first started with RH, it used to log in to G and I used to think that was Linux, only almost after a year I knew about different Desktops :)
[06:52] <LeeJunFan> pdroy: you're lucky, I started before KDE.
[06:52] <LeeJunFan> pdroy: FVWM and windowmaker were the best available in those days.
[06:52] <renato> I once tried fluxbox, what the hell is that, I couldn't even get it to start a terminal
[06:53] <pdroy> :)
[06:53] <pdroy> I'v tried it too once
[06:53] <LeeJunFan> I don't miss the days of having to use a text editor to edit the menu's. And it was only within the last year I think that gnome finally got a menu editor.
[06:53] <renato> My problem is that I'm a Kubuntu preacher, but not a convert
[06:53] <pdroy> hehehe
[06:54] <pdroy> I was very cunning in my office, I was incharge of choosing the desktop for my department, so I choose K as standard :)
[06:55] <renato> and it's because I know the MS Office like the palm of my hand and I never get the same results with openoffice.org, aside of the part where it keeps crashing and it takes a lifetime to start
[06:55] <pdroy> Even configuring a printer was difficult in G
[06:55] <pdroy> renato: same here, so I got Crossover Office  and then installed MS office
[06:55] <LeeJunFan> My local library wanted Linux, so I gave them a 25 workstations netbooting from an NFS server, all kubuntu.
[06:56] <JackPhil> Hi, it seems apache2 can't stop, and I couldnt upgrade to feisty
[06:56] <renato> and the other passion I have, is animating and I do it with Flash, and what's available for linux, hasn't gotten there
[06:56] <_ron> LeeJunFan: Nice!
[06:56] <_ron> LeeJunFan: Was that difficult to set up?
[06:57] <LeeJunFan> astonishingly people weren't afraid of it, and there have been very little support issues.
[06:57] <renato> does MS office work fine for you, pdroy?
[06:57] <pdroy> It works like a charm
[06:57] <LeeJunFan> _ron: not once I got unionfs to work on the root fs.
[06:57] <renato> on linux, because I wine it, but it has too many bugs
[06:57] <pdroy> OO keeps on crashing all the time for me
[06:57] <pdroy> Wine was a problem, you should try Cross over office
[06:58] <renato> I'll look into it
[06:58] <ozymandias> so, how do we get compiz working in fiesty with kde?
[06:58] <pdroy> www.codeweavers.com/products
[06:58] <renato> thanks! pdroy
[06:58] <pdroy> :)
[06:58] <LeeJunFan> _ron: unionfs was the hardest part, had to hack up initrd's init script to get it to mount everything right, and learning that the preloading used in ubuntu broke unionfs.
[06:59] <LeeJunFan> once I turned off preloading it worked great.
[06:59] <ozymandias> anyone have a link to a guide on getting compiz-kde working?
[06:59] <renato> the other thing is spss, I need it, and I just find R too complicated to do survey analysis
[06:59] <_ron> leejunfan: sounds like a pain. So are all the workstations hard drive-less?
[06:59] <LeeJunFan> !beryl
[06:59] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:00] <LeeJunFan> _ron: yeah, HD's are there, but unused.
[07:00] <LeeJunFan> _ron: well, I take that back, they load the pxe image from the HD's because the stupid bios in the machines had a menu for the netboot which I couldn't get around in bios options, so I had it boot the PXE from the hd.
[07:01] <ozymandias> i take that as a no....
[07:02] <LeeJunFan> so I just made a pxe image for the network cards they had and dd'ed it to the first sectors of the HD :)
[07:02] <renato> ozymandias, that meant, try the beryl option
[07:02] <numan> today i switch to kde session through session manager and after i applied the updates it ask me to upgrade to kde 7.04 feisty fawn? i want to ask you people that is it the stable release or still testing?
[07:02] <phyerboss> WOAH!
[07:02] <renato> or do you really really want compiz?
[07:02] <_ron> LeeJunFan: That's still sweet.  Do you know if it is possible to dual boot into a network?
[07:02] <phyerboss> hey! Beryl works now
[07:02] <renato> stable numan
[07:02] <ozymandias> i havent really looked into beryl much, but everything i have seen said compiz is much more stable
[07:02] <achilles> aloha
[07:03] <renato> stable but sucky, lol numan
[07:03] <achilles> anyone aware of Amarok problem after new kernel image update
[07:03] <numan> renato: this means that another testing distribution is released?
[07:03] <LeeJunFan> _ron: yeah, if you mean have grub load on the local HD, and have the option to boot a local OS or a network one? It's doable.
[07:03] <achilles> Amarok is hanging and taking hell lot of time to start
[07:03] <phyerboss> aloha achilles
[07:03] <achilles> that is after update
[07:03] <phyerboss> you in Hawaii?
[07:03] <achilles> hi phyerboss
[07:04] <achilles> lol no am in India
[07:04] <renato> no, numan, it's not thesting anymore
[07:04] <phyerboss> ah
[07:04] <phyerboss> ok
[07:04] <achilles> phyerboss: you have any idea baout the prob
[07:04] <renato> it's 7.04
[07:04] <surgy> ok heres my problem, im on a live cd which will not install, the cd is broken, i have no os, only one cdrw, and a mounted feisty.iso, i need to install feisty from the iso, i need help
[07:04] <numan> renato: whats sucky about it? so i stay away from this upgrade?
[07:04] <achilles> anybody my Amrok is hanging
[07:04] <phyerboss> no idea
[07:04] <phyerboss> it plays fine for me
[07:04] <achilles> it stucks and takes hell lotof time to start
[07:05] <phyerboss> my only issue is playing files over my network
[07:05] <achilles> i tried removing as well
[07:05] <achilles> pdated to 1.4.4 as well
[07:05] <achilles> but no luck
[07:05] <renato> well, for me it's the whole browsing experience, it hangs for some reasons with konqueror and for other reasons with firefox
[07:05] <phyerboss> other than that, everything plays fine
[07:05] <phyerboss> if the files are locally on the machine
[07:05] <renato> OO takes like six million years to load
[07:05] <achilles> it was working good earlier its just recently the moment you change track it hangs
[07:06] <surgy> anyone?
[07:07] <achilles> dont really know whats the prob
[07:07] <numan> renato: even if i amrunning edgy konqueror also dont work fine for me, it takes some time to load the page while firefox or iceweasel is faster
[07:07] <Kant> hello
[07:07] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. What's the difference between Amarok and Kaffeine media players?
[07:07] <achilles> and yeah another issue my superkaramba theme Liquid weather also stopped working
[07:07] <achilles> just wondering whats happening
[07:07] <Kant> does anybody get a "grub error 15" after a clean install of kubuntu feisty?
[07:07] <achilles> Amrok is hanging and Liquid weather stopped working
[07:08] <Kant> amarok is intended for audio
[07:08] <Shaddox> Kant: That means the install failed.
[07:08] <Shaddox> Kant: I had that last night. Just re-boot off of the CD and try the install again.
[07:08] <renato> I got the grub error 15, but it was not a clean install
[07:08] <Kant> the question is, where did it fail?
[07:08] <renato> exactly Shaddox
[07:08] <Kant> mine WAS a clean install
[07:08] <Shaddox> Kant: Did your system reach a critical temperature during install?
[07:08] <Kant> no
[07:09] <Shaddox> Kant: That's usually 80 degrees celsius.
[07:09] <numan> so i think new upgrade has some problems (myabe due to instant release) thats why many are looking for help here after upgrade?
[07:09] <Kant> I can try it again with the air conditioner turned on
[07:09] <andrea> hello everybody
[07:09] <andrea> gotta a problem
[07:09] <Shaddox> Kant: I tried to clean install yesterday and reached a critical temperature, and my system automatically shut down and I got that same error when I tried to boot.
[07:09] <andrea> i just updated to feisty
[07:09] <Kant> upgrade or clean install?
[07:10] <andrea> but as soon as i rebooted the boot stopped to the load of Xorg
[07:10] <Doctor_Nick> ugghghhg
[07:11] <andrea> usually only a dpkg-reconfigure was necessary
[07:11] <andrea> but now nothing :(
[07:11] <andrea> startx keep failing
[07:11] <Kant> it's winter here, I don't overclock, and my processor always runs cool
[07:11] <Kant> tempreture is not the issue here
[07:11] <Doctor_Nick> after I installed kdemultimedia, kaffeine stopped working properly and vlc doesnt work
[07:11] <Doctor_Nick> and i cant uninstall it
[07:11] <Kant> kdemultimedia is a metapackage
[07:11] <renato> well, reinstalling worked for me, Kant
[07:11] <andrea> can somebody help me getting back the graphic mode?
[07:12] <Kant> it basically installs nothing, it's pure dependencies
[07:12] <ForgeAus> hey all :)
[07:12] <Doctor_Nick> kant: I know
[07:12] <renato> try the alternate cd
[07:12] <Kant> I'll try reinstalling... again ~_~
[07:12] <Shaddox> Can someone tell me the differences between Amarok and Kaffeine?
[07:12] <Doctor_Nick> amarok is a music player
[07:12] <Doctor_Nick> kaffeine is a video player
[07:12] <Kant_brb> amarok is intended putely for audio
[07:12] <Shaddox> Ah.h.
[07:13] <renato> although it (kaffeine) does not do a very good job at that
[07:14] <renato> and what's up with the gnome feel to it
[07:14] <Shaddox> Amarok it is. ^^
[07:15] <renato> Amarok rules if you ask me
[07:15] <Doctor_Nick> Kant: its a problem with xine
[07:16] <renato> Amarok and K3b are the things on Kub that I'm a 100% happy with
[07:16] <{GuNNeR}> has anyone tried SongBird?
[07:16] <renato> not me, no
[07:16] <Shaddox> I'm a new Kubuntu user
[07:16] <Shaddox> Under 24 hours ^^
[07:17] <Shaddox> 48**
[07:17] <renato> Kubuntu has made me very happy
[07:17] <pdroy> me too
[07:17] <{GuNNeR}> yea I just switched to Kubuntu from Gentoo - must say I'm impressed with Kubuntu
[07:17] <renato> but I haven't fully switched
[07:17] <Doctor_Nick> video isnt playing correctly anymore :/
[07:18] <pdroy> renato: so what else are you using ?
[07:18] <renato> dum dum duuuuum, Windows XPsp2
[07:18] <renato> :-P
[07:18] <pdroy> hehehe
[07:18] <renato> can't leave that bastard
[07:19] <czer323> XP > Vista? ;)
[07:19] <{GuNNeR}> hehe I tried a free copy of vista ultimate that microsoft sent to me...had that installed only long enough to download the Kubuntu dvd ;)
[07:19] <renato> I wouldn't even dare try Vista
[07:19] <pdroy> I had to use XP blue tooth earlier, but that got into Kubutnu long time back
[07:19] <andrea> is the wrecking of the X server a common feisty update problem?
[07:19] <andrea> can somebody give me some help to solve it?
[07:19] <renato> Feisty is buggy, if you ask me, andy
[07:20] <andrea> mhh
[07:20] <Shaddox> Nah
[07:20] <Shaddox> i installed with no x-server problems
[07:20] <pdroy> I just installed Feisty, ony 2 hrs old
[07:20] <renato> well, me too, but from the CD, the update didn't go smoothly
[07:20] <renato> try downloading the cd, andrea, and install from it
[07:20] <renato> worked for me
[07:21] <se7en> i need some help with amarok trancode what lib do i need to make it work
[07:21] <{GuNNeR}> I tried doing the online update but kept running into problems so I just did a clean install
[07:21] <Shaddox> Grrrr.
[07:21] <Shaddox> Kopete has a habit of crashing, too...
[07:21] <renato> Kopete sucks ass
[07:21] <Shaddox> I know
[07:21] <renato> and Gaim too
[07:21] <Shaddox> But I do tech support and webhosting for people
[07:22] <Shaddox> I use IM as the main form of tech support, so I need to be on all platforms and such
[07:22] <renato> I just take my instant messaging needs to windoze and live messenger or yahoo m
[07:22] <Shaddox> So I kinda like kopete, cause at least it makes everything simple, and even has IRC. ^^
[07:22] <renato> that is true, Shaddox
[07:23] <Shaddox> plus managing five different irc/im apps will run my temperature to the critical level X_x
[07:23] <_ron> renato: what do you recommend then?
[07:23] <Shaddox> itll run anyone, ^^
[07:23] <renato> to what?
[07:23] <_ron> renato: IM
[07:23] <_ron> renato: Nevermind, I see it now, sorry
[07:23] <renato> hehe
[07:23] <renato> sorry
[07:24] <Kant> Kopete is nice, but last time I used it there was a lot of instability
[07:24] <renato> Kubuntu preacher but not a convert
[07:24] <_ron> renato: I like the newest version of Gaim, for both windows and linux.
[07:24] <Kant> is kopete in feisty more stable than in edgy?
[07:24] <_ron> Kant: not in my experience.
[07:25] <Kant> ugh
[07:25] <Kant> then it's mercury again for the MSNMSG IMing
[07:25] <vbgunz> KDE 4 won't make it into Gutsy Gibbon right? 7.10? chances are it'll definitely make it into Honey Ham 8.04?
[07:25] <_ron> Kant: I have had very good experiences with Gaim in the later versions though.
[07:25] <phyerboss> Kant: as far as i can tell
[07:25] <Kant> Honey Harm? :P
[07:25] <phyerboss> kopete seems stable
[07:25] <{GuNNeR}> never had any issues with kopete
[07:25] <renato> I would love a version of live messenger or yahoo m for linux, but I know it'll never happen, _ron
[07:25] <Doctor_Nick> urgh
[07:26] <vbgunz> Honey Ham > 8.04 :)
[07:26] <Doctor_Nick> it looks like im going to have to reinstall kubuntu because my codecs are fucked
[07:26] <_ron> renato: maybe not never, just not until linux has more of a market share.
[07:26] <Kant> renato: try mercury, it's a very complete MSNmsg clone
[07:26] <{GuNNeR}> vbgunz: I wouldn't think that KDE 4.0 would be viewed as stable enough to include in 7.10
[07:26] <renato> really, Kant, for linux?
[07:26] <_ron> Kant: does it do webcamming, voice, etc/
[07:26] <Kant> I'd wait for feisty +2 to use KDE4
[07:26] <Kant> mercury is written in java
[07:27] <vbgunz> {GuNNeR}: yeah, I don't think so either
[07:27] <Kant> that means multiplataform
[07:27] <renato> I have never watched a video on linux
[07:27] <vbgunz> KDE4 is going to rock, I just know it :P
[07:27] <czer323> Who cares about stability?  it's all about PLAYING WITH NEW TOYS!
[07:27] <{GuNNeR}> agreed
[07:27] <renato> it's just a pain
[07:27] <Kant> hehehe
[07:27] <Kant> I just want it to work fine
[07:27] <Kant> but improivements are welcome
[07:27] <czer323> k, you can stick with kde3
[07:28] <czer323> Me?  I"M GOING TO PLAY! ;)
[07:28] <Kant> when kde4 is stable for desktop, I'll switch
[07:28] <Doctor_Nick> what i dislike about linux is its very easy to break things because of dependency hell
[07:28] <Kant> erm... no
[07:28] <Kant> it's not
[07:28] <Kant> if you have a stable system it's not
[07:28] <vbgunz> KDE4 is slated for release at the end of this year, a little bit after 7.10 so by the time it does roll around in 8.04, it should be a little more stable hopefully
[07:28] <czer323> Doctor_Nick: or how certain programs wont' install without dependancies on other programs, Which means that the other programs whcih rely on those older versions, BREAK!
[07:29] <czer323> Oh yes, i know.
[07:29] <Doctor_Nick> after one day xine is no longer working and gstreamer isnt working quite right
[07:29] <renato> what is so revolutionary about KDE4
[07:29] <renato> ??
[07:29] <Doctor_Nick> and synaptic thinks kaffeine is tied directly to kubuntu desktop, so i cant uninstall it
[07:29] <Kant> it's a complete redesign
[07:29] <vbgunz> renato: it's in the 4
[07:29] <renato> hehe
[07:29] <czer323> Doctor_Nick: you can remove kubuntu-desktop.  Its' just a meta-package.
[07:30] <Kant> ok, time to see if my modifications worked
[07:30] <vbgunz> I upgraded to Feisty and it feels faster than Edgy, it feels better, what happened? whats to blame?
[07:30] <Kant> see ya in a couple of minutes
[07:30] <Whiz2> what is the command for checking free disk space on /device/hda1 ?
[07:30] <czer323> df
[07:30] <Kant> fd -hlx tmpfs
[07:30] <vbgunz> Whiz2: try this: df -h|grep ^/
[07:31] <renato> well, I decided to turn this computer into a server to play with forum and wiki and ftp and web applications
[07:31] <Whiz2> vbgunz: df invalid option -- g
[07:31] <renato> get me one of those co.nr domain names and toy around
[07:32] <Shaddox> Hehe
[07:32] <Shaddox> I gots me 4 .coms :D
[07:32] <cobrien> Do I need to grab the latest nvidia drivers to use beryl?
[07:32] <Shaddox> archonstudios.com, cold-forces.com, coldforces.com, and archonhosting.com >:D
[07:32] <vbgunz> Whiz2: copy and paste, it should work if you have "df"
[07:32] <renato> how much do you pay for them Shaddox?
[07:32] <vbgunz> Whiz2: and grep
[07:32] <cobrien> I can tell already that it chose a nvidia driver "nv" for X
[07:32] <akrus> .oO Gutsy Repository is already available? :o
[07:32] <Shaddox> 10$/year, each, through Yahoo smallbusiness
[07:33] <renato> oh, yeah and you serve from home?
[07:33] <xjkx> By default, kubuntu comes only with konqueror? :O
[07:33] <Shaddox> Archon Hosting from home
[07:33] <renato> yes xjkx
[07:33] <Shaddox> The rest on Pandela [free webhoster, but has stopped accepting signups]
[07:33] <Whiz2> vbgunz: I can't paste. i'm using putty to login. is thatt a pipe, or an L?
[07:33] <Shaddox> Archon Hosting I bought last week to learn to home-host. ^^
[07:33] <xjkx> renato, would firefox want me to install gnome-things ?
[07:33] <vbgunz> Whiz2: a pipe
[07:33] <renato> they had a fight over logos a while ago and Kubuntu said the hell with them, xjkx
[07:34] <cobrien> Does Evolution have more interoperability features than Kontact?  I've seen stuff like being able to synchronize with google calendar with Evolution...  is that possible with Kontact?
[07:34] <renato> no, just sudo apt-get install firefox on a terminal and that's it xjkx
[07:34] <xjkx> "with them" you mean firefox?
[07:34] <renato> yeah, the firefox team
[07:34] <renato> they are very strict with their branding
[07:34] <vbgunz> I use to dislike installing KDE apps in Gnome because they looked butchered *but* on KDE, Gnome apps look as native as KDE which is pretty sweet... I still wish I could use the KDE dialogs instead of the Gnome ones :(
[07:35] <xjkx> renato, i am making a description xD I have firefox already :> but i would like to know if firefox would put unwanted libs there, such as gnome things
[07:35] <renato> nope, xjkx
[07:35] <xjkx> :o thanks
[07:35] <ForgeAus> I agree vbgunz for the most part
[07:36] <ForgeAus> too much linux seems to default to gnome
[07:36] <Shaddox> Uh, question.
[07:36] <Shaddox> How do I get MP3 support in Amarok?
[07:36] <Whiz2> i'm trying to install qpopper on on my linus server using instruction found in thier documentation, but i keep getting an error that says "c compiler can not create executables"
[07:36] <renato> I think Gnome looks old technology, I know it isn't, but it feels like it
[07:36] <vbgunz> xjkx: there is no real need in avoiding Gnome applications. Gnome will open up a whole other world of great apps... albeit shi**y dialogs but none-the-less great apps
[07:36] <Whiz2> i have 120MB free
[07:36] <xjkx> renato, thats crazy ubuntu comes with firefox and kubuntu doesnt, if they faught, they would have faught in both buntus
[07:36] <Shaddox> Uh, how do I get MP3 support in Amarok?
[07:36] <renato> Shaddox: Just try to play an mp3 on Amarok and it'll prompt for the mp3 support install
[07:37] <vbgunz> Shaddox: are you on Feisty?
[07:37] <Shaddox> I do, and it stops responding.
[07:37] <Shaddox> Yeah.
[07:37] <nightsky> Shaddox install libmad0
[07:37] <vbgunz> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:37] <Shaddox> ok ok hold on ^^
[07:37] <vbgunz> "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras" only works in Feisty
[07:37] <renato> no, really, it was news for a while xjkx
[07:38] <Whiz2> can someone help me out here? I can't seem to get QPopper running, so I need to download, and install a decent pop server for my system.
[07:38] <renato> back then Kubuntu wasn't fully recognized as a canonical son
[07:38] <Whiz2> note that i'm running dapper
[07:38] <Kant> hi again
[07:38] <Kant> didn't work =S
[07:39] <Kant> whiz2: that explains why you have a working system =P
[07:39] <ionus> why in wine game run more slowly
[07:39] <ionus> ?
[07:40] <Whiz2> Hmm... (noting a comment about feisty being quicker) if i upgrade to feisty will it take up more, or less space on my drive?
[07:40] <renato> that has something to do with your video card driver ionus
[07:40] <akrus> Shaddox: libxine-extracodecs
[07:40] <_ron> whiz2: I am upgrading from dapper right now... they made fun of me. lol
[07:40] <xjkx> what image editor comes by default on kubuntu?
[07:40] <vbgunz> I've got to give wine another try... I remember trying to install some old games onto it to keep me from going insane, nothing I installed ever worked with it :(
[07:40] <Shaddox> I'm installing ubuntu-restricted-extras, it has the mpeg drivers in it, that's what i need
[07:40] <ionus> renato what?
[07:40] <Tired_> vbgunz -> yes, it contains the dvd stuff
[07:40] <Kant> well, feisty is theoretically quicker
[07:40] <vbgunz> Tired_: really?
[07:40] <Tired_> better late than never
[07:40] <Kant> it has a linking method that makes prelink unnescesary
[07:40] <Tired_> yep
[07:40] <Kant> it has upstart
[07:40] <Tired_> just finished installing now
[07:40] <ionus> but i hawe inslaled video driver
[07:40] <vbgunz> Tired_: thanks for getting back to me 183Hrs after i asked :P
[07:40] <renato> well, by default kub installs a generic driver for your card
[07:41] <Whiz2> Kant yeah, but is it smaller? that's why i think it might be quicker
[07:41] <Tired_> my pleasure  :)
[07:41] <ionus> but i hawe inslaled video driver
[07:41] <renato> oh, don't know then
[07:41] <Kant> I do not think the difference is very big
[07:41] <xjkx> renato, do you know what default image editor come on kubuntu? :D
[07:41] <Kant> I mean, +/- 100MB maybe
[07:41] <renato> editor, hmm
[07:41] <vbgunz> xjkx: krita
[07:41] <renato> hold on
[07:41] <Kant> kolourpaint_
[07:41] <ionus> ok
[07:42] <xjkx> never heard of krita, is it as powerful as gimp?
[07:42] <vbgunz> xjkx: krita is like illustrator, the gimp is like Photoshop
[07:42] <renato> well, actually, Kub does not come with krita
[07:42] <Whiz2> can someone suggest a pop email server that i can apt-get and run without having to install other stuff? (tried with qpopper, but didn't install right)
[07:42] <vbgunz> renato: you sure?
[07:42] <flaccid> !info krita
[07:42] <ubotu> krita: a pixel-based image manipulation program for the KDE Office Suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 3043 kB, installed size 9412 kB
[07:42] <vbgunz> renato: they took it out of 7.04?
[07:43] <renato> I think so, yeah
[07:43] <vbgunz> oh, I upgraded so still have it from 6.10
[07:43] <renato> I don't think it came with edgy either
[07:43] <xjkx> vbgunz, sorry i havent tried illustrator either
[07:43] <akrus> Gwenview is now by default :)
[07:43] <ionus> ok
[07:43] <renato> like, out of the box
[07:43] <Whiz2> would feisty be smaller than dapper? ;-)
[07:43] <Kant> gwenview comes with feisty
[07:43] <renato> gwenview is just a viewer
[07:43] <vbgunz> renato: I think it came in Edgy
[07:43] <Kant> I have it here in the livecd
[07:43] <vbgunz> I don't remember installing it
[07:43] <akrus> renato: no editor here :o
[07:43] <kalorin> heh
[07:44] <akrus> renato: KPaint :D
[07:44] <renato> ha ha akrus
[07:44] <kalorin> well the new ATI driver does build packages for Ubuntu/6.10 nicely
[07:44] <flaccid> the latest gimp has sweet selection tools
[07:44] <kalorin> now to just install them
[07:44] <akrus> well actually it's nothing installed by default
[07:44] <_ron> vbgunz: Is krita vector based?
[07:44] <vbgunz> _ron: yes
[07:44] <_ron> vbgunz: I had no idea. lol
[07:45] <vbgunz> :)
[07:45] <vbgunz> I believe Fesity doesn't come with OO? I mean I upgraded but don't see koffice at all in here except for karbon14 which I installed a long time ago
[07:46] <akrus> Whiz2: courier mail server? :D
[07:46] <akrus> vbgunz: why not?
[07:46] <Shaddox> Ugh. Amarok still crashed when I tried to play an MP3.
[07:46] <akrus> OpenOffice is a part of Kubuntu :)
[07:46] <flaccid> !openoffice
[07:46] <ubotu> a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org
[07:46] <vbgunz> akrus: not sure, I don't know for sure. I heard the devs were removing OO in favor of koffice
[07:46] <renato> Feisty does come with OO vbgunz, except for the database, which is Kexi now
[07:46] <akrus> Beta was with OOo
[07:46] <akrus> as well as all alphas
[07:46] <flaccid> you will always be able to install either
[07:46] <Whiz2> akrus what is the package name for that?
[07:47] <vbgunz> ahh
[07:47] <Shaddox> Ugh, my Amarok is still crashing. X_x
[07:47] <renato> how do you accept the sun java license agreement when sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:47] <_ron> renato: run it in konsole
[07:48] <_ron> renato: sorry, misread your question
[07:48] <akrus> Whiz2: apt-cache search courier :)
[07:48] <akrus> !courier-imapd
[07:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about courier-imapd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:48] <akrus> hmm
[07:48] <akrus> !courier-pop3d
[07:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about courier-pop3d - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:48] <Whiz2> akrus you're having me get IMAP?
[07:48] <flaccid> !find courier-imap
[07:48] <ubotu> Found: courier-imap, courier-imap-ssl
[07:48] <flaccid> !info courier-imap
[07:48] <ubotu> courier-imap: Courier Mail Server - IMAP server. In component universe, is extra. Version <IP_ADDRESS>60828-5ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 566 kB, installed size 1540 kB
[07:48] <_ron> renato: did you press enter until it asked you for yes or no/
[07:48] <renato> it got to a screen about accepting sun's license agreement, but I hit enter and it doesn't do anything
[07:48] <akrus> oh great :)
[07:48] <flaccid> i do prefer dovecot myself
[07:49] <akrus> Whiz2: the same for pop :)
[07:49] <akrus> !courier-pop3
[07:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about courier-pop3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:49] <akrus> !courier-pop
[07:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about courier-pop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:49] <akrus> :x
[07:49] <renato> I doesn't ask for "no", it just ask "accept"
[07:49] <flaccid> akrus: it comes with courier-imap
[07:49] <akrus> ah, okay
[07:49] <akrus> in my apt-cache search: courier-pop - Courier Mail Server - POP3 server :)
[07:49] <Whiz2> akrus try courier-pop
[07:49] <Whiz2> ok
[07:50] <flaccid> right
[07:50] <flaccid> !find courier-pop
[07:50] <ubotu> Found: courier-pop, courier-pop-ssl
[07:50] <flaccid> !info courier-pop
[07:50] <ubotu> courier-pop: Courier Mail Server - POP3 server. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.53.3-5ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 50 kB, installed size 216 kB
[07:50] <akrus> oh yeah :3
[07:50] <flaccid> hmm so it is
[07:50] <Shaddox> Anyone know how to give Amarok MP3 support?
[07:50] <flaccid> !mp3 > Shaddox
[07:50] <akrus> Shaddox: libxine-extracodecs
[07:50] <Whiz2> akrus that is tiny! :-D
[07:50] <renato> haha, never mind, you actually had to go through all of the agreement to get to the accept thing, lol, _ron
[07:50] <akrus> Whiz2: sure it is :)
[07:50] <_ron> renato: XD
[07:50] <Whiz2> akrus it should work with exim right?
[07:51] <akrus> Whiz2: likely :)
[07:51] <Whiz2> akrus ty
[07:51] <renato> as if anyone actually read agreements!!
[07:51] <akrus> renato: you're kidding x_X
[07:51] <_ron> renato: I know! I was frustrated that there wasn't some way to use page down instead of holding enter for eternity.
[07:51] <renato> ha ha
[07:51] <renato> yeah
[07:51] <Whiz2> renato i read them from time to time
[07:52] <akrus> when it's nothing to do :))
[07:52] <renato> of course, there's always someone who wants to contradict me
[07:52] <Whiz2> akrus when i think it might actually mean something lol
[07:52] <renato> but not actually read agreements, lol
[07:52] <Tired_> ack!  two more hours installing restriced package and still no mp3 in amarok!
[07:52] <_ron> Anyone remember the command to see your IP off the top of their head/
[07:52] <akrus> _ron: ifconfig? o_O
[07:53] <akrus> which head? :o
[07:53] <Shaddox> Woooo!
[07:53] <Whiz2> LOL
[07:53] <Shaddox> Amarok gets a lot louder then Rhythmbox! :D
[07:53] <_ron> akrus: whichever head ifconfig came from worked. lol
[07:53] <akrus> Shaddox: amaroK rulez all the way :)
[07:53] <_ron> brb
[07:54] <Tired_> um
[07:54] <Whiz2> akrus it has web-based admin... but my web server is not in the standard directory... would that be a problem?
[07:55] <Tired_> why dopes apt-get tell me to rn apt-get --fix-missing, nd then when I run it, there isn't one?
[07:55] <Shaddox> OMFG.
[07:55] <renato> when I'm able to watch porn on Kubuntu that will be Windoze last day
[07:55] <Shaddox> I had no idea Amarok had last.fm too :D
[07:55] <renato> till then...
[07:56] <renato> yeah, Amarok rules, I told you
[07:56] <firecrotch> renato: I hear that mplayer works nicely for porn
[07:56] <Tired_> Shaddox -> did you get mp3s?
[07:56] <czer323> kaffiene does too.
[07:56] <renato> yeah, but not for web porn
[07:56] <renato> lol
[07:56] <czer323> yes, for web porn.  Drag and drop baby!
[07:56] <david_> Ugh.. i'm back.. :)  I managed to get into the KDE control center, but it won't work properly....  Come on!!
[07:57] <renato> lol
[07:57] <czer323> I switched to kde for better porn streaming.
[07:57] <Whiz2> renato you just have to have the right plugins installed for streaming vids
[07:57] <renato> like what Whiz2?
[07:57] <akrus> Whiz2: it's another webserver afaik... at another port :)
[07:57] <firecrotch> renato: I have no need for porn - I've got a girlfriend :P
[07:57] <Whiz2> renato dunno. guess it depends on the file type you're streaming
[07:58] <Tired_> wht des 111 COnnection Refused mean when I run apt-get update ?
[07:58] <akrus> Tired_: this means that connection is refused by server
[07:58] <renato> the only thing that needs work in Amarok is the "I'm Matthias Ettrich, blah blah blah" that was just conceded of him, lol
[07:58] <Tired_> why is it refused?
[07:58] <akrus> Tired_: IP ban or something like this
[07:58] <akrus> Tired_: try another server
[07:58] <david_> anyone know about installing pre-made themes?
[07:59] <Tired_> how do I try another server?  i'm trying the canadian one now
[07:59] <renato> well, see, that's what I mean Whiz2, with Windows Media Player I just click and voil
[07:59] <akrus> david_: System Settings -> Look And Feel
[07:59] <akrus> Tired_: maybe it's overloaded, try us.archive.ubuntu.com
[07:59] <Tired_> how do I tell it where to go?
[07:59] <Whiz2> akrus that means i have to install another web server???
[08:00] <akrus> Whiz2: courier-webadmin is another web-server made especially for courier :)
[08:00] <akrus> Tired_: okay, open konsole, type in: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:00] <akrus> it will ask for your root password, it's the same as your account password if it's not changed
[08:01] <Tired_> got it.  edit the conf file?
[08:01] <akrus> after that replace all the *.archive.ubuntu.com
[08:01] <Tired_> ok
[08:01] <akrus> (ca.archive.ubuntu.com?)
[08:01] <akrus> with us.archive.ubuntu.com
[08:01] <Tired_> lol, i just needed to knowthe filename  :)
[08:01] <akrus> oh okay then :)
[08:01] <akrus> going to drink tea now :P
[08:02] <renato> I'm on a highway to hell is breaking my speakers. Hooray, mp3's working hee
[08:02] <renato> Is it already five in London, akrus?
[08:02] <renato> :-P
[08:02] <morphius_> When trying to run update-manager using kdesu, I put in my password (yes it is entered correctly) and I get a message saying I incorrectly entered my password. When I then try it again I get a message saying "conversation with su failed". Su and sudo work just fine in the terminal though.
[08:02] <akrus> renato: 10 AM in Moscow ;P
[08:02] <renato> heheh
[08:03] <Tired_> works now, thanks akrus  :)
[08:03] <Kant> back, again in the livecd -_-
[08:03] <akrus> Tired_: you're welcome :)
[08:04] <david_> ok.. it says "click the administrator mode button to allow modificatons."  This is for theme manager... How do I click that button?  I see none... Sorry newbie here
[08:04] <renato> resize your window
[08:04] <akrus> renato:
[08:04] <jbrouhard> Anyone know how to set m3u files to automatically open Amarok ?
[08:04] <renato> resize your window david_, it's at the bottom
[08:04] <akrus> lol
[08:05] <Kant> secondary click on the file, "open with..."
[08:05] <akrus> and save it :)
[08:05] <david_> umm.... still not seeing it ....
[08:05] <Kant> did you know that windows can be resized with alt + right click drag?
[08:05] <jbrouhard> Well
[08:05] <Whiz2> akrus following the instructions it gave me, it can't find the webadmin pages when i enter the given url... my web server is not in the standard user directories
[08:06] <Kant> and dragged with alt + right click drag
[08:06] <jbrouhard> That doesn't seem to work via Firefox :(
[08:06] <kalorin> anyone really good with kernel modules?
[08:06] <renato> open with... will not work, you need to go to right click, then actions, then edit as root!
[08:06] <morphius_> jbrouhard: You should be able to right click and go to properties. I think the last tab sets the preferences for the default application
[08:06] <flaccid> kalorin: whats the prb
[08:06] <akrus> Whiz2: hmm... that's just because of apt.. try looking for it, it should be somewhere :o you can also try searching UbuntuForums
[08:06] <david_> didn't know...
[08:06] <kalorin> flaccid: join #kalorin
[08:06] <flaccid> no
[08:07] <Kant> here it is, the error!!!
[08:07] <akrus> kalorin: i'm good at removing them :D
[08:07] <kalorin> heh
[08:07] <kalorin> well in /usr/src/
[08:07] <kalorin> there's a modules directory
[08:07] <akrus> rm -rf / -ftw
[08:07] <akrus> :o
[08:07] <kalorin> and a linux -> linux-headers-2.6.17-11
[08:07] <Kant> "the test of the file system with type ext2 in partition #4 of SCSI2 (0,0,0) found uncorrected errors
[08:07] <Kant> "
[08:07] <kalorin> and a linux-headers-2.6.17-11.generic
[08:07] <flaccid> akrus: please don't msg that command ever
[08:07] <kalorin> why generic and regular directories
[08:07] <Whiz2> akrus i used apt-get install courier-webadmin to get it
[08:08] <akrus> flaccid: it's not with sudo :)
[08:08] <akrus> i hope noone is using root account there
[08:08] <kalorin> and why is the symlink to modules broken in the linux-headers-2.6.17-11 directory?
[08:08] <david_> it doesn't look like there's an administrator button ... ?
[08:08] <akrus> Whiz2: man courier-webadmin?
[08:08] <flaccid> thats no excuse. we have new users here who might just try the command
[08:08] <akrus> flaccid: okay, sorry, forgot :)
[08:08] <flaccid> kalorin: i don't know. do you have a problem
[08:08] <renato> did you try rezizing your window, david_?
[08:08] <Whiz2> akrus now i have another issue. :-( my pop3 client is already setup to access the server, but it won't take my linux account password
[08:09] <kalorin> well yeah kind of
[08:09] <kalorin> upgraded to the latest ATI drivers, but it seems like the kernel modules aren't right
[08:09] <david_> yes i tried resizing the window... I don't know where to look though.... There is not button as far as I can tell.
[08:09] <akrus> Whiz2: read the courier docu, it's not your account password
[08:09] <flaccid> kalorin: which modules. have a look at lsmod
[08:09] <renato> it's down
[08:09] <kalorin> I'm in X and it's loaded and seems to be behaving ok but I can't run any of the fglrxinfo type stuff
[08:09] <akrus> david_: KDM themes?
[08:09] <flaccid> kalorin: whats the actual error
[08:10] <kalorin> um..
[08:10] <david_> yes, kdm themes....  I tried the actual theme editor, but that wouldn't work at all.. buggy
[08:10] <akrus> :d
[08:10] <akrus> well i'm experiencing the same issue :D
[08:10] <renato> david_: it now comes with a slider on the right. What are you complaining about? Slide it down!!
[08:10] <david_> arrgh.
[08:10] <kalorin> X Error of failed request: BadMatch ( invalid parameter attributes )
[08:11] <kalorin> fglrxinfo seems to work ok
[08:11] <flaccid> kalorin: what outputs that?
[08:11] <kalorin> it's just odd
[08:11] <akrus> david_: kdesu systemsettings
[08:11] <kalorin> fgl_glxgears
[08:11] <akrus> in K-Menu->Run
[08:11] <flaccid> kalorin: maybe the error is non destructive
[08:12] <kalorin> yeah but the monitor&setting applet in the KMenu/System Settings stuff hasn't worked for a while and I think it's related
[08:12] <kalorin> what's the danger of me dropping a modules directory in there?
[08:12] <kalorin> and doing a depmod -a
[08:12] <kalorin> would it pop a gourd and require a livecd reboot to fix?
[08:13] <Kant> anyone who knows how to fix this? http://xs114.xs.to/xs114/07160/inst_error.png
[08:13] <ionus> HOW TO MOUNT ISO IMAGE?
[08:13] <flaccid> kalorin: i don't see what this has to do with kernel modules
[08:13] <ionus> !ISO
[08:13] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[08:13] <akrus> Kant: click ok? o_O
[08:13] <kalorin> cause there's an fglrx.ko in there that's from 4/8/2007 (about he last time I did a driver update) compared to 4/22/07
[08:13] <flaccid> and i wouldn't worry about the gui. if you did the binary driver i wouldnt expect frontends to behave correctly at this point
[08:13] <kalorin> k
[08:13] <Kant> when I continue I get a grub error after reboot - after a clean install!!!
[08:14] <akrus> hm
[08:14] <akrus> fsck /dev/sda
[08:14] <flaccid> kalorin: im sorry i don't know if i can help. there is lots on google of this error: X Error of failed request: BadMatch ( invalid parameter attributes )  fgl_glxgears
[08:14] <flaccid> kalorin: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&hs=S5U&q=X+Error+of+failed+request%3A+BadMatch+%28+invalid+parameter+attributes+%29++fgl_glxgears&btnG=Search
[08:16] <kalorin> yeah
[08:16] <Kant> root@ubuntu:/home/ubuntu# fsck /dev/sda
[08:16] <Kant> fsck 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006)
[08:16] <Kant> e2fsck 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006)
[08:16] <Kant> Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks...
[08:16] <Kant> fsck.ext2: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda
[08:16] <Kant> The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
[08:17] <Kant> filesystem.  If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2
[08:17] <Kant> filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock
[08:17] <Kant> is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock:
[08:17] <flaccid> !pastebin > Kant
[08:18] <Kant> sorry
[08:18] <Kant> I'll use it from now on
[08:18] <Kant> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16979/
[08:19] <Tired_> woohoo!  mp3s work!
[08:19] <Kant> my guess: the ext2 partition got fucked up by the ext2 windows driver >_<
[08:20] <Kant> and I don't have another drive for backup
[08:20] <Whiz2> akrus courier-pop installed courier-base the suite comes with it's own MTA???
[08:20] <Hail_Spacecake> I need a program
[08:20] <Hail_Spacecake> that will take a large pdf file
[08:20] <Shaddox> Uh, question. How do I delete write-protected files in my trash can as root?
[08:20] <Hail_Spacecake> and break it into several smaller pdf files
[08:21] <Hail_Spacecake> that are still valid and complete pdfs
[08:21] <Hail_Spacecake> do you guys know of any?
[08:21] <flaccid> Kant: pastebin me output of sudo fdisk -l and df -h
[08:22] <Kant> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16980/
[08:23] <flaccid> sorry and sudo mount
[08:23] <flaccid> and /etc/fstab
[08:23] <Kant> this is the live CD
[08:23] <Shaddox> Uh, question.
[08:23] <david_> Hi... I just did a search and apparantly the lack of an "administrator mode" button is a known bug.  They don't know how to fix it though.
[08:23] <Shaddox> A bunch of files were accidentally deleted from my home folder.
[08:23] <Shaddox> Er, nevermind.
[08:24] <flaccid> ok
[08:24] <david_> So thanks to those trying to help...but I guess it's a prob..... Does anybody here like Fedora Core?  Is it at all usable?
[08:24] <jbrouhard> Fedora Core sucks
[08:24] <Kant> flaccid, could you repeat me the command you asked the output of?
[08:24] <david_> really?  how come jbrouhard?
[08:25] <jbrouhard> The concept of "Bloatware" comes to mind
[08:25] <flaccid> Kant: its ok
[08:25] <drumline_> Anyone know why an NTFS formatted external drive will pop up in KDE, but then fail to automount?    I don't see it in /dev/ also
[08:25] <david_> Heh.  bloatwawre
[08:25] <soulrider_> david_:
[08:25] <drumline_> I see an hdc in /dev/, but there are no partitions on it.
[08:25] <jbrouhard> drumline_: Could be cause you need to sudo mount it...
[08:25] <soulrider_> theres somethign you can do
[08:25] <david_> really soulrider?
[08:25] <Shaddox> Uh, question everyone.
[08:25] <soulrider_> david_: press alt + f2 and type "kdesu kcontrol"
[08:25] <soulrider_> that will runt he control center as root
[08:25] <Tired_> There's a concept I don't understand.  When I write to a SMB share from Kubuntu, what's actually doing the writing?
[08:25] <soulrider_> if you do so i dont think youll need the admin button
[08:26] <Shaddox> Question: How do I open another KDE window in xnest?
[08:26] <david_> I'll try it.  thanks soulrider....
[08:26] <soulrider_> Tired_: the host i think
[08:26] <Shaddox> Is it xnest :1 startkde?
[08:26] <Tired_> Is t the Kubuntu box, or the Windows box that has the drive?
[08:26] <soulrider_> Tired_: the windows machine
[08:26] <flaccid> Kant: try doing sudo fsck /dev/sda1
[08:26] <Tired_> so I don't need NTFS write drivers to write to NTFS formatted shares?
[08:26] <jbrouhard> Nope
[08:26] <david_> konsole gave me Error: bad device
[08:27] <jbrouhard> Tired_: you only need that if you directly mount a NTFS drive
[08:27] <soulrider_> david_: ignore all those x server errors
[08:27] <drumline_> jbrouhard: not in this case...  I run around as 'sudo -i'  :)
[08:27] <jbrouhard> a shared drive works over a SMB block.
[08:27] <Tired_> nope, I don't wanna do that, just SMB
[08:27] <Tired_> so, basically the whole reason I was afraid of Linux was wrong.
[08:27] <Tired_> lol
[08:27] <soulrider_> lol Tired_
[08:27] <soulrider_> Tired_: LINUX ROCKSSSSSSSS!
[08:27] <Tired_> i'm noticing that
[08:28] <drumline_> What's the easy way to get at my SMB shares on this network?
[08:28] <david_> Hmmm... The thing didn't open at all though....  It just gave me the errors and sat
[08:28] <soulrider_> Tired_: with time, youll discover new cool things everyday
[08:28] <flaccid> drumline_: konqueror
[08:28] <soulrider_> david_: hold on
[08:28] <Tired_> well today is day one, and i've already found some cool stuff
[08:28] <soulrider_> david_: didnt open? try again
[08:28] <david_> yup... tried again
[08:28] <david_> same errors.. no kcontrol
[08:28] <Tired_> this is all about learning right now...if I can learn enough to migrate my mission critical stuff, then I'll be set
[08:28] <flaccid> drumline_: goto smb:/
[08:29] <soulrider_> Tired_: every day for the first 2 months, i went crazy because i allways found cool new stuff, and after a year, it still happens
[08:29] <Shaddox> Uh, hello everyone.
[08:29] <Shaddox> How do I create a user in Konsole?
[08:29] <soulrider_> Shaddox: adduser
[08:29] <flaccid> Shaddox: sudo adduser username
[08:29] <dennister> ubuntu-server is downloading at 140 kb/s :-)
[08:29] <Tired_> i expect to poop bricks when i get beryl to work
[08:29] <Shaddox> What are the parameters for adding the users?
[08:29] <soulrider_> Tired_: LOL
[08:29] <flaccid> Shaddox: man adduser
[08:29] <Shaddox> oh here we go, nevermind, ^^]
[08:29] <dennister> <------is going to find it hard to wait for upgrading
[08:29] <soulrider_> Shaddox: you can do "adduser -h" for the help
[08:30] <Kant> flaccid: I get this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16979/
[08:30] <soulrider_> david_: uhm, restart KDE and try again ?
[08:30] <dennister> good night all
[08:30] <soulrider_> david_: youre doing kdesu right? not sudo
[08:30] <Tired_> gnight denni
[08:30] <david_> yeah, kdesu
[08:30] <Shaddox> Okay, uh, question
[08:30] <flaccid> Kant: thats the same as before. i said /dev/sda1
[08:30] <Kant> oh
[08:30] <soulrider_> david_: damn
[08:30] <david_> the funny thing is that I think I got it working earlier......  But I've encountered a fair share of bugs since installation.
[08:31] <Shaddox> I want to add a user with name XYZ that can be an admin and everything like the user Kubuntu's installer created, and set it's home directory to /home/XYZ
[08:31] <soulrider_> david_: thats weird, i tried feisty and it was wonder
[08:31] <soulrider_> wonderful*
[08:31] <Shaddox> What would that command be, i can't figure out this man page ^^
[08:31] <flaccid> Shaddox: man usermod
[08:31] <soulrider_> david_: is this your first linux distro ?
[08:31] <Kant> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16982/
[08:32] <flaccid> Kant: try it on sda4 now
[08:32] <david_> Well, I started with the gnome version, but went to this one after I didn't like the interface... The gnome one worked perfectly.  This one has given me errors on 2 different installs... (I had to re-install it because stuff stopped working)
[08:32] <Kant> it says it's clean also
[08:32] <david_> I did a disc integrity check, but it says it was fine.
[08:32] <soulrider_> david_: i see, dont get discouraged byt he bugs though, they get fixed quickly usually
[08:32] <kubuntian> that F****ING kile just deleted my report
[08:32] <kubuntian> the tex file is empty
[08:32] <david_> Thanks for the encouragement
[08:32] <soulrider_> david_: *buntu is GREAT for learning
[08:32] <kubuntian> and i have only the resulting PDF
[08:32] <soulrider_> its easy, and the community is great
[08:32] <kalorin> ok I got it figured out
[08:32] <flaccid> Kant: then maybe its fine. does it boot?
[08:33] <Tired_> does Konversation support all the standard IRC commands?
[08:33] <soulrider_> you wont find that in many distros
[08:33] <kubuntian> is there a way to convert PDF back to latex?
[08:33] <kalorin> I had 8.36.5 drivers installed but the 8.35.5 kernel module installed
[08:33] <david_> will I need to re-install when the bugs get fixed?
[08:33] <flaccid> Tired_: thats dependant on the IRC server you connect to
[08:33] <kubuntian> i don't want to rewrite everything...
[08:33] <flaccid> but yes it does
[08:33] <kalorin> I knew there was soemthing that wasn't quite right
[08:33] <Shaddox> Uh, question. What group do I place system administrators in?
[08:33] <Tired_> like multi-servering and such?
[08:33] <soulrider_> david_: doing an update will fix it
[08:33] <Kant> flaccid: no, it doesn't
[08:33] <flaccid> Shaddox: usually admin and operator
[08:33] <flaccid> iirc
[08:33] <akrus> Whiz2: courier-mta is it's own mta :)
[08:33] <david_> oh ok.. Yay!
[08:33] <david_> :)
[08:33] <flaccid> Kant: doesn't what
[08:33] <soulrider_> david_: kubuntu really is a great distro
[08:33] <flaccid> Kant: whats the error on boot
[08:34] <Shaddox> flaccid: I really can't figure this command out...you know the user that the Kubuntu installer creates when installing?
[08:34] <soulrider_> david_: im not using it anymore, but do you know why im allways here/in the forums? community
[08:34] <Kant> last time I ried a straight clean install of edgy I got a grub error 15
[08:34] <Shaddox> flaccid: I want to make a new user with the exact same priveledges, username shaddox, home at /home/shaddox
[08:34] <Shaddox> flaccid: Can you tell me the command I'd need to type in?
[08:34] <flaccid> ok
[08:34] <david_> That's pretty cool, soulrider
[08:34] <kubuntian> is there a way to convert PDF back to latex?
[08:35] <drumline_> flaccid: is that something I can setup a quickie icon on my desktop for and have it automagically log in?
[08:35] <flaccid> kubuntian: please don't repeat
[08:35] <soulrider_> david_: yeah, everyone will help you here and not call you stupid or a n00b
[08:35] <Kant> gone to reinstall, will come back with victory or an error message
[08:35] <david_> a free operating system with a community to boot. :)
[08:35] <flaccid> Shaddox: usermod -G admin Shaddox
[08:35] <Shaddox> i want to make a NEW user
[08:36] <flaccid> drumline_: log in to what?
[08:36] <Shaddox> i accidentally deleted this user's home folder and want to make a new one with the same privs, and delete this one ^^
[08:36] <flaccid> Shaddox: we showed you that
[08:36] <flaccid> Shaddox: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-add-user-to-group/
[08:36] <flaccid> i believe users and groups is in system settings as well for gui
[08:36] <Shaddox> i cant start konqueror. :/
[08:37] <flaccid> why
[08:37] <Shaddox> I know
[08:37] <Shaddox> But my X server is screwed
[08:37] <drumline_> flaccid: my SMB server
[08:37] <Shaddox> All the applications i try to start say that it cant connect
[08:37] <Shaddox> This is why I wanted to make a new user in Konsole
[08:37] <flaccid> !mount
[08:37] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[08:37] <flaccid> drumline_: you can mount it and create a symlink on the desktop
[08:37] <flaccid> Shaddox: we have showed you how to do all this. please read what we said
[08:39] <nbcb> help why do i hit into too many open files in ktorrent?
[08:39] <drumline_> flaccid: oh...  setup a script to do it?
[08:39] <flaccid> drumline_: there is a few options
[08:40] <Shaddox> uh, flaccid: i can't do it under sudo?
[08:40] <what_if> nbcb: its probably coded into ktorrent, but you can check ulimit on the command line
[08:40] <Shaddox> it says specify only one name
[08:40] <flaccid> depends how you wanna do it. you can put it in fstab and just mount /mnt/point or you can use smbmount
[08:40] <drumline_> flaccid: I'm very new to the GUI side of Linux...   :)   ...what kind of options?    I am familiar with smbmount and symlinks and scripts...   I just don't know the fancy GUI methods.
[08:40] <flaccid> Shaddox: what command did you try
[08:40] <Shaddox> flaccid: sudo adduser --group admin shaddox
[08:40] <flaccid> drumline_: there isn't any fancy gui methods
[08:41] <drumline_> flaccid: well, I like how KDE can automagically hold my login data in the configs... that's nice.
[08:41] <flaccid> Shaddox: i usually add them after adduser user so that they still have their own group
[08:41] <drumline_> I somewhat miss drive letters.  :)
[08:42] <nbcb> what_if: i already set ulimit -n 999999 , but it still hit that error
[08:42] <Shaddox> flaccid: so that's adduser shaddox, then usermod shaddox -parameters?
[08:42] <flaccid> drumline_: i don't see why you would miss drive letters
[08:42] <nbcb> i'm using ktorrent 2.1.3
[08:42] <flaccid> Shaddox: i msgd an example and a link to the page above
[08:42] <Shaddox> okay
[08:42] <Shaddox> im filling out the stuff
[08:42] <drumline_> flaccid: they are shortcuts...   it's easy to just click on T when I want to get to some business stuff.
[08:42] <Shaddox> but what's Room Number?
[08:42] <what_if> nbcb: its probably coded into ktorrent then, you may try azureus, the ulimit variable has a gui where you can change it
[08:43] <flaccid> Shaddox: [2007-04-22 16:35]  <flaccid> Shaddox: usermod -G admin Shaddox
[08:43] <flaccid> Shaddox: those options are optional. just press enter
[08:43] <Shaddox> i know i know
[08:43] <nbcb> what_if: ok thx.. azuresus is also a bittorrent client?
[08:43] <flaccid> i use azureus for bittorrent
[08:43] <nbcb> !azuresus
[08:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about azuresus - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:43] <flaccid> !info azureus
[08:43] <ubotu> azureus: BitTorrent client. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>repack1-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 6922 kB, installed size 7780 kB
[08:43] <Shaddox> okay, flaccid, thank you
[08:43] <what_if> nbcb: yes, it may even be in the repositories...
[08:43] <Shaddox> next question flaccid
[08:43] <flaccid> np
[08:44] <Shaddox> how do i disable automatic login
[08:44] <drumline_> flaccid: i like drive letters because I'm a kool-aid drinker :)
[08:44] <Shaddox> in Konsole
[08:44] <what_if> ty ubutu :), lol
[08:44] <flaccid> automatic login of what?
[08:44] <Shaddox> when i boot, my KDE auto logins as this user
[08:44] <flaccid> drumline_: whatever that means
[08:44] <Shaddox> but im switching users, so i need to turn off automatic login
[08:44] <flaccid> !find autologin
[08:44] <ubotu> File autologin found in casper, gdm
[08:44] <flaccid> that i don't know sorry Shaddox
[08:44] <Shaddox> >.< damn, okay
[08:44] <flaccid> im not sure if thats Kubuntu or KDE related
[08:45] <flaccid> someone here should know or try #kde
[08:45] <drumline_> flaccid: KDE and Ubuntu have come a long way...  :)  this is cool.
[08:45] <flaccid> Shaddox: the command groups is good to see what groups you are in
[08:46] <flaccid> drumline_: yeah i actually think that feisty is more stable than dapper which suprised me
[08:46] <flaccid> xorg7 is fast
[08:46] <fiction> does anyone know where the file that has all the startup scripts is located?
[08:46] <Bennedetto> allo allo everyone
[08:46] <what_if> fiction: which startup scrips ? main system ?
[08:46] <flaccid> fiction: startup scripts are located in /etc/init.d ?
[08:47] <flaccid> or you want rc config?
[08:47] <Bennedetto> i've got a quick question about kubuntu feisty. I know that you can enable compiz in the settings manager in ubuntu, but is it possible to do the same in kubuntu? if so, how might I go about doing this...
[08:47] <fiction> what_if: not sure. what i did was, i unchecked some startup scripts and now ubuntu (im usinjg ubuntu, but the people on the channel don't know the solution) won't start
[08:47] <fiction> flaccid: thanks
[08:47] <flaccid> fiction: whats the specific problem
[08:47] <what_if> fiction: do you remember what you turned off ?
[08:48] <fiction> if i remember correctly: both actions schedulers, bluetooth device management, cpu frequency manager, computer activity logger
[08:48] <what_if> Bennedetto: yes beryl+kubuntu works, just install beryl-manager and run it
[08:48] <flaccid> fiction: what about them?
[08:49] <flaccid> !info rcconf
[08:49] <ubotu> rcconf: Debian Runlevel configuration tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.19 (feisty), package size 17 kB, installed size 112 kB
[08:49] <drumline_> flaccid: to your knowledge, has anyone ever been arrested or fined for using the restricted codecs for their own use?
[08:49] <Bennedetto> what_if: i tried beryl, not working for me, but i do know that compiz works
[08:49] <fiction> flaccid: they have checkboxes next to them. i unchecked the boxes.
[08:49] <flaccid> rcconf would be handy if you don't want to use the gui for service management
[08:49] <Bennedetto> what_if: so i need to know how to enable compiz, or if i need to install it
[08:49] <what_if> Bennedetto: do you have an nvidia board ?
[08:49] <flaccid> drumline_: no idea
[08:49] <Bennedetto> what_if: no, its an intel i810
[08:49] <flaccid> fiction: recheck them?
[08:49] <what_if> Bennedetto: oh, sry never tried compiz
[08:49] <fiction> flaccid: ubuntu won't start. im on live cd
[08:49] <flaccid> why why why
[08:50] <flaccid> this won't work or this won't start tells us nothing
[08:50] <what_if> flaccid: chroot your old system and re-enable the services :)
[08:50] <fiction> it freezes on this line "/etc/rc.local/
[08:50] <flaccid> what_if: just use rcconf its pretty handy
[08:50] <fiction> what_if: i don't know how
[08:51] <what_if> flaccid: lol, wrong nick :P
[08:51] <flaccid> fiction: pastebin /etc/rc.local please
[08:51] <ionus> !modem
[08:51] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[08:51] <fiction> flaccid: exit 0
[08:52] <flaccid> fiction: ok nothing is in there. need to check logs like /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog to see what is not happening. also see if X is being started and what the problem is there in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:52] <fiction> flaccid: http://paste2.org/p/2661
[08:53] <what_if> when in doubt, reinstall :)
[08:53] <fiction> hell no
[08:53] <fiction> =[
[08:56] <ionus> !tvtuner
[08:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tvtuner - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:56] <ionus> !tv
[08:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:57] <ionus> how i can to install program for my tv tuner card
[08:57] <ionus> ?
[08:58] <flaccid> !mythtv
[08:58] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[08:58] <flaccid> !tvtime
[08:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tvtime - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:58] <flaccid> !info tvtime
[08:58] <ubotu> tvtime: A high quality television application. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.2-0.2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 678 kB, installed size 1932 kB
[08:58] <flaccid> there is also a HCL somewhere
[08:59] <ionus> i can instal this from adept instaler
[08:59] <flaccid> you can install from adept yes
[08:59] <ionus> ok
[08:59] <ionus> thx
[08:59] <ionus> but driver for tv tuner?
[09:00] <Bennedetto> alright, does anyone know how to enable compiz (not beryl) in kubuntu?
[09:01] <akrus> Bennedetto: install compiz, not beryl
[09:01] <akrus> !info compiz-kde
[09:01] <ubotu> compiz-kde: OpenGL window and compositing manager - KDE window decorator. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.3.6-1ubuntu13 (feisty), package size 77 kB, installed size 208 kB
[09:01] <flaccid> like i said there is a HCL somewhere, don't know where
[09:01] <Bennedetto> akrus: yes, but is it installed by default?
[09:01] <flaccid> its optional as it says in universe
[09:01] <Bennedetto> ok
[09:01] <aegis042404> Hi, I'm new to irc....just had a few questions about wheather anyone has had any trouble upgrading to fiesty ?
[09:02] <flaccid> aegis042404: there is always trouble in upgrading
[09:02] <akrus> aegis042404: no troubles ever :o
[09:02] <akrus> xD
[09:02] <madmike> i'v had to reinstall it 5 times
[09:02] <madmike> but then again I keep breaking it hehe
[09:02] <aegis042404> or is a clen install recemended ?
[09:02] <akrus> flaccid: I've upgraded my friend's notebook without any problems :)
[09:02] <flaccid> aegis042404: i'd do an upgrade then if unsuccessful, reinstall
[09:03] <aegis042404> the upgrade wizard popped up...and I just say hell with it... and tried....but it didn't complete
[09:03] <madmike> clean install is always best i thinks
[09:03] <akrus> just replace sources.list and do the upgrade :dance:
[09:03] <flaccid> akrus: really. so does that mean it should work for every user in the world on their different hardware and different installed packages?
[09:03] <aegis042404> yeah...I usually think so....but I've got an awful lot of great stuff installed....
[09:03] <akrus> flaccid: it means we need base PC which will surely upgrade Kubuntu :D
[09:04] <akrus> so everyone will have the same PC everywhere
[09:04] <aegis042404> finally got my box the way I want it...except for a few things.....qdvdauthor for one...
[09:04] <akrus> !vote AMD
[09:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vote amd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:04] <flaccid> akrus: thats bogus
[09:04] <flaccid> ah ffs
[09:04] <flaccid> thats so ignorant
[09:04] <akrus> ubotu: I just was voting
[09:04] <flaccid> not to mention unrealistic
[09:04] <akrus> :)
[09:04] <akrus> it's like communism :D
[09:05] <flaccid> its stupid is what it is
[09:05] <kaizoku> How do I increase the screen resolution.
[09:05] <flaccid> it pretty much pisses on the open community as well
[09:05] <akrus> kaizoku: system settings or/and xorg.conf
[09:05] <kaizoku> I set the new options in xorg.conf, but the resolution hasn't increased.
[09:05] <akrus> kaizoku: open your systemsettings and try changing it there
[09:05] <kaizoku> akrus: I did.
[09:06] <akrus> if you're using nvidia display adapter open nvidia-settings & change it there
[09:06] <shaddox> Hi everyone. Uh, I am now in my new user, but it says now that there are no mixers. How do I fix this?
[09:06] <kaizoku> The highest options are the ones from before.
[09:06] <kaizoku> akrus: It's an ATI.
[09:06] <akrus> kaizoku: ATI Catalyst Control Center?
[09:06] <kaizoku> akrus: This is the live CD btw.
[09:06] <kalorin> flaccid: module assistant was my issue
[09:06] <kalorin> and it's fixed now
[09:06] <drumline_> Does the restricted codecs contain support for WMA files?
[09:06] <flaccid> ok
[09:07] <shaddox> Uh, I am now in my new user, but it says now that there are no mixers, and there's no sound. How do I fix this?
[09:07] <akrus> kaizoku: live?!
[09:07] <kaizoku> akrus: Yes
[09:07] <flaccid> drumline_: yeah
[09:07] <akrus> drumline_: mplayer
[09:07] <flaccid> !wma
[09:07] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:07] <kalorin> it had the 8.35.5 kernel module in there, but was running the 8.36.5 drivers
[09:07] <drumline_> cool...
[09:07] <drumline_> mplayer is what I need?   Can't use amarok?
[09:07] <akrus> drumline_: mplayer implements the support for WMA
[09:07] <akrus> drumline_: while converting/playing/whatever...
[09:08] <shaddox> I am now in my new user, but it says now that there are no mixers, and there's no sound. How do I fix this?
[09:08] <drumline_> neat...  that sounds cool.
[09:08] <Jxjl> Can somebody help me with one problem? I have just installed kubuntu 7,04 and I have some problems with my soundcard. I have two soundcards in my PC. First is integrated VIA 8237, wich is disabled in BIOS. The second is Soundblaster live. Somtimes it works well, but sometimes kubuntu initializes the disabled integrated VIA instead Sound Blaster.
[09:08] <drumline_> akrus: how about you.  Do you know of anyone that has been thrown in the slammer or fined for using the restricted codecs for their own personal use?
[09:09] <flaccid> drumline_: which code are you referring to
[09:09] <akrus> drumline_: i'm in Russia, it's allowed there :)
[09:09] <what_if> Jxjl: you can put a line in alcs-conf to tell linux what card to use as "Default" hold on and I'll get the info
[09:09] <akrus> digital media is allowed, even if it has no license
[09:09] <shaddox> uh, i need help fixing my sound
[09:09] <akrus> alcs=alsa
[09:09] <akrus> o_O
[09:09] <akrus> isn't it?
[09:10] <drumline_> flaccid: that DeCSS code...   Does Mplayer use anything like that?   I'm just trying to find out if it's legal...
[09:10] <wolferine> why is it that I can view lns on my FTP but not dirs?
[09:11] <what_if> Jxjl: in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base put the line: options snd-emu10k1 index=0
[09:11] <flaccid> drumline_: no idea. but google is a better place to look. this is kubuntu support chan
[09:11] <what_if> Jxjl: where snd-emu10k1 is _your_ cards driver
[09:11] <aegis042404> haha...russia might be the only place to put you in prison for copyright violation...or software piracy
[09:11] <jussi01> hi everyone, whats kubuntu's update manager called? is it update manager as in ubuntu? or something else?
[09:12] <OxoTnicK> hi. i have a problem. can somebody help?
[09:12] <flaccid> !adept > jussi01
[09:12] <aegis042404> what is the problem... ?
[09:12] <drumline_> flaccid: sure..
[09:12] <flaccid> !ask
[09:12] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:12] <OxoTnicK> i have no free space left on root but there should be at least 14 gb
[09:12] <aegis042404> hmmm
[09:13] <jussi01> flaccid: I know adept is like synaptic, but i mean updates - the autmotic ones...
[09:13] <flaccid> OxoTnicK: pastebin output of df -h
[09:13] <aegis042404> clear out /tmp and /var ....
[09:13] <OxoTnicK> and i'm in recovery mode right now
[09:13] <aegis042404> maybe....
[09:13] <flaccid> jussi01: adept_notifier is enabled by default
[09:13] <flaccid> aegis042404: no don't clean out /var!!
[09:13] <jussi01> flaccid: ahh, thanks
[09:13] <aegis042404> no ?
[09:13] <aegis042404> why not ?
[09:13] <flaccid> var is not tmp
[09:13] <what_if> aegis042404: only /var/tmp :)
[09:14] <flaccid> mail and http can be stored there as well as configuration
[09:14] <flaccid> see man heir
[09:14] <OxoTnicK> flaccid, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16984/
[09:14] <aegis042404> better question might be figuring out how your / is 14 gigs short
[09:14] <flaccid> OxoTnicK: / is full so need to find what filled it..
[09:14] <aegis042404> is /home on a seperate partition ?
[09:15] <OxoTnicK> home not separate.
[09:15] <flaccid> no its not
[09:15] <OxoTnicK> sec.  i'm difficult whis english. let me explane better
[09:15] <aegis042404> are there any files...large files....on /home/whatever you could delete ?
[09:15] <JakubS_>  /var/cache/apt/archives maybe?
[09:16] <aegis042404> how about apt-get clean ?
[09:16] <aegis042404> will that clear some space ?
[09:18] <OxoTnicK> when i came up in the morning ktorrent told me that there is no free space. i erased 14 gb. and started ktorrent again. 5 mins later it told me that there is no space again. i went to trash, ttied to find the files i deleted and did't find them, but there is no free 14gb also
[09:18] <Jxjl> what_if: I aded this line to alsa-base. And I see there theese lines: install snd-emu10k1 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-emu10k1 $CMDLINE_OPTS && { /sbin/modprobe -Qb snd-emu10k1-synth ; } install snd-via82xx /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-via82xx $CMDLINE_OPTS && { /sbin/modprobe -Qb snd-seq ; } Can I delete the second one with disabled card?
[09:19] <fdoving> OxoTnicK: you can try to run the command 'sync' in konsole.
[09:19] <OxoTnicK> i'm not looking how to free space but where the space i freed go
[09:19] <the_hammer> anyone here running 7.04 feisty fawn that can show me their sources.list?
[09:19] <the_hammer> or send to me?
[09:19] <what_if> Jxjl: I'd try commenting it out first.... :)
[09:19] <flaccid> !source-o-matic > the_hammer
[09:19] <what_if> OxoTnicK: df
[09:20] <JakubS_> OxoTnicK: if file you deleted was still held open by some app then it won't be really deleted (however you won't be able to see this file) until it is closed
[09:20] <fdoving> OxoTnicK: if you deleted 14GiB, there is no chance you could have downloaded that much in 5 minutes.
[09:20] <Jxjl> what_if: I`ll do that then reboot my PC and tell the result.
[09:20] <aegis042404> think maybe it wasn't really deleted
[09:20] <JakubS_> this bit me once when i tried to gain some free space by removing mysql log file while mysql was running
[09:21] <what_if> Jxjl:  k :)
[09:21] <what_if> the_hammer: http://pastebin.ca/452395
[09:21] <OxoTnicK> JakubS_, it was large video files and i'm prety sure that no prog used them at that moment
[09:21] <aegis042404> what is the name of the program that shows disk space used graphicly
[09:21] <what_if> the_hammer: sources.list :)
[09:21] <makuseru> is there any program that will save flash objects?
[09:21] <aegis042404> ktorrent might have been using them
[09:21] <os2mac> Ok, trying to do a bit for the community. I have already upgraded to Fiesty and I am trying to seed the torrent but I only have the default tracker from Canonical.... is anyone aware of any other trackers I can seed?
[09:22] <OxoTnicK> fdoving, i know that. i think that they have not deleted properly
[09:22] <what_if> aegis042404: baobab
[09:22] <makuseru> is there any program that will save flash objects in a web page?
[09:22] <fdoving> OxoTnicK: have a look at what jakubs_ told you 1 minute ago.
[09:22] <aegis042404> I don't think I got mine from canonical...
[09:22] <the_hammer> ty
[09:22] <what_if> the_hammer: yw
[09:23] <puppetmaster> Hi Everyone
[09:23] <puppetmaster> I have a question about wget
[09:24] <apus> how do I change what my mouse buttons do for certain programs with no dedicated preferences, like firefox the 2 thumb keys DON"T go forward and back
[09:24] <puppetmaster> Can I resume download with wget tool?
[09:24] <xushi> hi all
[09:24] <xushi> just wanted to congratulate on the new version
[09:24] <puppetmaster> Can I resume download with wget tool?
[09:24] <OxoTnicK> sync did't help
[09:25] <puppetmaster> anyone please
[09:25] <puppetmaster> Can I resume download with wget tool?
[09:25] <fdoving> puppetmaster: yes. the -c switch.
[09:25] <puppetmaster> i'll try
[09:25] <puppetmaster> thank you
[09:25] <unix_infidel> can ncftp do scp/sftp?
[09:26] <OxoTnicK> no one knows?
[09:26] <what_if> arg
[09:26] <what_if> OxoTnicK: whats the ques ?
[09:27] <puppetmaster> it worked
[09:27] <puppetmaster> Than you very much
[09:27] <puppetmaster> you are the best
[09:27] <OxoTnicK> what_if, what? didn't understand the last word
[09:27] <fdoving> unix_infidel: no, ncftp does not support any encryption.
[09:27] <unix_infidel> fdoving: thanks.
[09:27] <fdoving> unix_infidel: more info in their faq. http://www.ncftp.com/ncftp/doc/faq.html
[09:28] <unix_infidel> fdoving: now of a cli client that does?
[09:28] <unix_infidel> know*
[09:28] <sonoftheclayr> how do i change the font in console?
[09:28] <sonoftheclayr> like ctrl + alt + F*
[09:29] <fdoving> unix_infidel: lftp
[09:29] <mrdlouisd> what is a good dvd player?
[09:30] <fdoving> sonoftheclayr: in /etc/default/console-setup
[09:30] <drumline_> I'm getting an issue where adept is whining about the packaging system database is already being used, but I've already restarted, so it can't possibly be used...   there must be a lockfile I need to remove...  can somebody tell me where it is?
[09:30] <unix_infidel> i wonder if mc can do ftp
[09:30] <fdoving> !adeptfix | drumline_
[09:30] <ubotu> drumline_: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[09:30] <the_hammer> vlc is a nice player for dvds
[09:31] <sonoftheclayr> fdoving: ty
[09:31] <aegis042404> check for adept notifier too
[09:31] <aegis042404> if it's running it might lock you out
[09:32] <fdoving> aegis042404: that's what that command does, it checks what application is locking /var/lib/dpkg/lock - then ask if you want to kill it or not. :)
[09:32] <aegis042404> ahhh
[09:32] <mrdlouisd> thanks hammer totally spaced vlc was mutli platform
[09:32] <drumline_> fdoving: nice... that appears to be solving it.  I hope that becomes an automated process in the future.
[09:32] <insmod> 7.04 just killed my laptop lol
[09:33] <bobleny> Die laptop die!
[09:33] <Tired_> is there a web-based, searchable list of package name in kubuntu?
[09:33] <fdoving> drumline_: we're hoping adept stops crashing in the future too :)
[09:33] <fdoving> Tired_: yes, http://packages.ubuntu.com
[09:33] <Tired_> yay!
[09:33] <drumline_> fdoving: i guess synaptic is the better of the two
[09:34] <fdoving> drumline_: it's more mature, yes. adept is not so old software-wise. but it's KDE-ish :)
[09:34] <drumline_> yeah.  :)
[09:35] <sonoftheclayr> does anyone here program php-qt?
[09:35] <ionus> !tvtime
[09:35] <drumline_> man.. those restricted things don't install cleanly...
[09:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tvtime - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:35] <Ash-Fox> !beryl
[09:35] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:35] <Ash-Fox> !xgl
[09:35] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:35] <Tired_> after my experience tonight with Adept, I'd prefer a graphical border around an aptget window
[09:35] <Jxjl> what_if: VIA 8237 active again => no sound can you help me, in wich section of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base should I add the option line?
[09:36] <fdoving> Tired_: if you don't like adept and can cope with console things, i'd recommend aptitude :)
[09:36] <Tired_> is aptitude in the default install?
[09:36] <Tired_> i'm used to emerge
[09:36] <Tired_> and double-clicking .exe's, of course
[09:36] <sonoftheclayr> Tired_: yes, it's in there by default
[09:37] <insmod> has the mouse option/dir changed -- because i have no mouse
[09:37] <reldruh> does anybody know of an applet for kontact or some way to keep it always running, but in the background. Right now it only checks my mail when I have it open and I'd rather not keep it running all the time.
[09:37] <what_if> Jxjl: I put mine as the very last line
[09:38] <Jxjl> what_if: it is the first line
[09:38] <Tired_> is there an aptitude help file in there?
[09:38] <Tired_> like "aptitude --help"?
[09:39] <ultrafuzz> anybody active tonight?
[09:39] <fdoving> Tired_: just start it, 'aptitude'
[09:39] <Jxjl> what_if: I`ll make it last
[09:39] <insmod> Tired_: apt-get is best -- synaptic is best gui one
[09:39] <Tired_> Ack!  I can't use that!  It has no super Cow powers!
[09:39] <fdoving> Tired_: then go to help -> usermanual.
[09:40] <what_if> Jxjl: don't know if that makes a difference, but thats what the howto I used said to do
[09:40] <ultrafuzz> i just updated and now i cannot access my USB drive, the drive has NTSF filesystem...
[09:40] <jussi01> can someone tell me how to stop windows bunching up in the notification area?
[09:40] <jussi01> i mean like grouping all the firefox together...
[09:41] <blackflag> !opengl
[09:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opengl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:42] <fdoving> jussi01: right-click on the panel -> configure panel -> taskbar (or similar) -> "Group when..." - dropdown. (translated on the fly, might not be entirely correct)
[09:43] <jussi01> fdoving: thanks, ill give it a go
[09:43] <jussi01> fdoving: yeah, thanks sorte
[09:43] <jussi01> d
[09:44] <makuseru> is there any program that will download(extract) a flash object form a website?
[09:44] <fdoving> makuseru: i'd start searching the firefox extensions.
[09:44] <XVampireX> http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=katapultbugnz7.png
[09:45] <XVampireX> Can anyone help me with this?
[09:45] <makuseru> fdoving: i only found somthing that gets youtube video, that not what i need tho
[09:46] <fdoving> makuseru: something like this: http://labnol.blogspot.com/2005/11/save-flash-from-firefox-and-ie.html ?
[09:46] <aegis042404> oh yeah
[09:46] <aegis042404> a firefox plug in will do it
[09:46] <Kubuntu> How can I make torrentz faster?
[09:47] <aegis042404> it's called unplug
[09:47] <Kubuntu> I downloads at 1-10kbs while kubuntu downloads at 370kbs?
[09:48] <makuseru> Kububtu: its probably just that torrent
[09:49] <ultrafuzz> i just updated and now i cannot access my USB drive, the drive has NTSF filesystem...
[09:49] <what_if> Kubuntu: your router can make a lot of difference also... if doing hundreds of connections
[09:50] <makuseru> XVampireX: nice background
[09:50] <XVampireX> makuseru: Yeah but I still need helping with it...
[09:51] <makuseru> XVampireX: whats your problem? the katapult thing is fuzzy? its always good to SAY what your problem is
[09:51] <XVampireX> makuseru: You never used katapult?
[09:51] <XVampireX> The pic is REALLY self explanitory... really...
[09:52] <premier_> hello, can some one recomend an audio editor for linux?  I tried audactiy, but it was crashy and didn't have the features I wanted.  I also tried ardour, and I couldn't get it to start
[09:52] <Tired_> is there a fairly clear troubleshooting guide online for Beryl?
[09:52] <makuseru> XVampireX: no, i dont
[09:52] <premier_> Tired_: I wish
[09:53] <Tired_> i wish too  :/
[09:53] <Tired_> i know that it crashes, but that's about it
[09:53] <premier_> Tired_: keep pecking at google, eventually you'll find something
[09:53] <makuseru> XVampireX: and no, its not self explanitory
[09:53] <XVampireX> makuseru: So you wouldn't know... but yeah, the katapult thing looks fuzzy and it at LEAST had to use fake transparency.
[09:53] <dek> I am running the Distribution Upgrade and it has just crashed, it had already downloaded everything. Can i recover it?
[09:53] <XVampireX> Yes it is
[09:54] <premier_> Tired_: can you say anything else?  Anything at all?  Theres a way to get error messages... /var/log/something
[09:55] <premier_> try starting beryl-manager in a terminal, and tell me the last line of output after it crashes
[09:55] <Tired_> see, that's the kind of troubleshooting guide i need.  all i was going on was plain white screen
[09:55] <premier_> Tired_:
[09:55] <premier_> Oh, yeah, the white screen of death
[09:55] <premier_> You can actually rotate the cube while that happens, kinda cool
[09:56] <premier_> apparently it because beryl can't render textures
[09:56] <tmbg> Failed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/xlibs-dev_7.2-0ubuntu11_all.deb Could not connect to ca.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused) <--- I keep getting this when trying to do a distribution upgrade.
[09:56] <premier_> try beryl --use-copy... I think thats the line
[09:56] <fdoving> tmbg: try another mirror.
[09:57] <premier_> Tired_: you know you can use ctrl-alt-backspace to kill beryl without restarting you computer, right?  Just making sure you're not restarting every time
[09:57] <premier_> I've been there
[09:57] <XVampireX> So can anyone with more brains than muscles solve this?: http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=katapultbugnz7.png
[09:58] <Tired_> yes, i know.  beryl-manager has no output at all in a console
[09:58] <tmbg> fdoving, at the risk of sounding incredibly stupid, how do I do that?
[09:59] <sonoftheclayr> is anyone in here using kde4?
[10:00] <fdoving> tmbg: open /etc/apt/sources.list with an text editor, from kde kmenu -> run command 'kdesu -- kate /etc/apt/sources.list' then change ca.archive.ubuntu.com to for example us.archive.ubuntu.com - then fetch list of updates again.
[10:00] <ubuntu_> I get trown out of my network, and then I can't see it. What should I do??
[10:00] <tmbg> is canada the default archive? I can't imagine I would pick canada on purpose.
[10:01] <hyper_ch> how can I find out if my install is still beta or whether it's stable?
[10:02] <fdoving> hyper_ch: are there any updates left to install?
[10:03] <premier_> sonoftheclayr: no, but I'm looking forward to the final release... what are you doing with it?
[10:03] <hyper_ch> fdoving: I haven't had any updates since about april 17
[10:03] <hyper_ch> fdoving: and I just tend to think there should be something :)
[10:03] <premier_> I think I found a broken package, should I report it?
[10:03] <Tired_> well, beryl -use-copy did stuff, but it ran so sluggishly that it made everything unusable
[10:03] <XVampireX> cowsay moo
[10:04] <Tired_> what was it using a copy of
[10:04] <codonil> hyper_ch: do an apt-get update, and if there are no more packages, I think you have the latest stuff
[10:04] <codonil> stable release, that is
[10:05] <Hobbsee> premier_: which package is it?
[10:05] <fdoving> premier_: reporting it would help getting it fixed, bugs.ubuntu.com
[10:05] <Hobbsee> premier_: and it's already released