[01:39] <lotuspsychje> morning to all
[01:39] <lotuspsychje> where can i follow updates on channel=trusty ?
[01:49] <dobey> lotuspsychje: i don't think there will be any further updates on the "trusty" channel
[01:49] <lotuspsychje> dobey: would you reccomend, reinstall the whole system to channel=dev then?
[01:50] <lotuspsychje> dobey: right now, when i click updates on trusty touch, it installs apps updates
[01:51] <dobey> right, you will only get updates for the click apps, on trusty
[01:51] <lotuspsychje> ahh
[01:51] <dobey> if you want system image updates, you'll need devel or devel-proposed
[01:52] <lotuspsychje> dobey: so i need the devel until the new touch will release?
[01:53] <lotuspsychje> whats the difference bewteen devel and devel-proposed?
[01:53] <dobey> devel only has promoted images that have been approved by the qa team. devel-proposed is where all the image builds go first, and may occasionally break more often
[01:54] <lotuspsychje> ill go for devel then
[01:55] <lotuspsychje> but eventualy the trusty channel will get the final updates too right?
[01:55] <dobey> no
[01:55] <lotuspsychje> but will only show after its final
[01:55] <dobey> trusty is already released
[01:55] <dobey> trusty has already gotten its final update
[01:56] <lotuspsychje> this is little confusing
[01:56] <lotuspsychje> whats the end goal?
[01:56] <dobey> end goal for what?
[01:56] <lotuspsychje> for ubuntu touch
[01:56] <lotuspsychje> to release a final ubuntu touch trusty no?
[01:56] <dobey> to be used
[01:56] <dobey> no
[01:56] <dobey> trusty was merely a single stepping stone
[01:57] <lotuspsychje> ah got it
[01:57] <dobey> later in the year, Bq and Meizu will release OEM phones that come with Ubuntu pre-installed
[01:57] <lotuspsychje> dobey: and that image will be called...
[01:58] <lotuspsychje> dobey: or just custom ubuntu touch for those companies
[01:58] <dobey> it won't be "called" anything. they will ship custom images almost certainly, because they'll likely want to ship some of their own apps by default
[01:58] <lotuspsychje> right got it
[01:58] <dobey> it will be Ubuntu
[01:58] <dobey> just like Ubuntu for the last 10 years, the release names are just names of releases that were developed
[01:59] <lotuspsychje> well as i bought me a n7 just for touch purpose, ill go to channel=devel again
[01:59] <lotuspsychje> tnx for the hint
[01:59] <lotuspsychje> then ill notice further changes right?
[01:59] <dobey> Ubuntu for phones is still beta though, so it doesn't get the same support that Ubuntu Desktop/Server do
[01:59] <lotuspsychje> i see
[02:00] <dobey> yes, devel will start seeing image updates soon
[02:00] <lotuspsychje> cool
[02:00] <lotuspsychje> is there also an url where i can follow changes?
[02:00] <dobey> i don't know
[02:00] <lotuspsychje> kk
[02:01] <lotuspsychje> ill look into terminal/logs/system settings after i installed dev again
[02:15] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel --bootstrap
[02:15] <lotuspsychje> running :p
[02:25] <lotuspsychje> dobey: devel installed correctly tnx again
[02:26] <dobey> sure
[06:20] <dholbach> good morning
[07:12] <Jeroen_> Hello
[07:12] <bact> hello
[07:13] <Jeroen_> Just asking, does ubuntu works well on a HTC one X?
[07:16] <bact> is it listed on the devices page?
[07:16] <Jeroen_> Yea i see a list here
[07:16] <Jeroen_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/endeavoru
[07:17] <Jeroen_> But dont look that well, but dont know anything about it to be honest :P
[09:15] <ArmyJW> Does anyone have Skype working properly on Ubuntu Touch?
[09:33] <utack> Hi. Does Ubuntu Touch work with the Nexus 4 Modem 0.98 and Bootloader 30?
[09:34] <ogra_> heh
[09:34]  * ogra_ never checked the actual versions of either of these
[09:34] <utack> it is the kitkat default bootloader/modem
[09:34] <utack> that came with the android 4.4 update/factory image
[09:34] <ogra_> well, since we use 4.4.2 i wuld expect that to work then
[09:34] <ogra_> *would
[09:34] <utack> allright thanks
[09:35] <ogra_> (we switched to AOSP mid last cycle)
[09:35] <utack> sounds good
[09:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:45] <asac> question of the day: whats up with media hub :)?
[10:45] <asac> ogra_: ?
[10:45] <ogra_> asac, should land today afaik
[10:45] <ogra_> iirc the silo was re-allocated and things needed rebuilds yesterday
[10:46] <asac> ogra_: not tomorrow ?
[10:46] <asac> :)
[10:46] <asac> ogra_: is everything rebuilt?
[10:46] <asac> ogra_: who is testing?
[10:46] <ogra_> or tomorrow ... :)
[10:46] <ogra_> no idea, let me check the silo
[10:46] <asac> please do
[10:46] <asac> we must not forget this activity
[10:47] <asac> if its built lets get everyone on testing it and then land i guess
[10:47] <ogra_> ah, seems some FTBFS there
[10:48] <ogra_> asac, its jhodapps highest prio ... i doubt he could forget about it
[10:48] <ogra_> :)
[10:51] <ogra_> seems teher are unittests failing in qtubuntu-media ... i'll poke him about it once he shows up
[10:51] <asac> mandel: do you kjnow where we are wrt "Browser download file support in dm"?
[10:51] <asac> *sigh*
[10:51] <asac> ogra_: ok
[10:52] <asac> so tomorrow and then tomorrow :/
[10:52] <mandel> asac, yes, we are at me trying to land all the pieces today so that Elleo updates his branches and we have t in the image asap
[10:52] <mandel> asac, I wans to get a +1 from alecu about the click scope, land the first batch of udm changes, then land Elleos changes and later ping the sdk to add the udm qml pluing in the meta package
[10:53] <mandel> asac, my goal is to get everything today or tom
[10:53] <asac> mandel: ok thanks. is there a landing entry/silo already?
[10:53] <mandel> asac, yes, I'm managing silo 11 with the udm + click-scope changes (ABI changes) I'll request one more with elleos changes as soon as we land silo 11
[10:55] <mandel> bzoltan, we want to add the udm qml to the sdk, what is the process for that?
[10:55] <ogra_> asac, why the hurry ? every landing has someone assigned, nothing will be lost
[10:55] <mandel> bzoltan, do I have to add the udm qml as a dependency?
[10:55] <ogra_> (or forgotten)
[10:57] <asac> ogra_: well, mediahub has like 3 month late :)
[10:58] <ogra_> indeed, as is mms support and stuff ... but that doesnt mean it sits idle
[10:58] <asac> ogra_: we have substantial work blocked on that, so :)
[10:58] <asac> ogra_: non-idle != progress :)
[10:58] <ogra_> sure
[10:58] <ogra_> but also != stuck :)
[11:00] <ogra_> all big features have someone working with highest prio on it ... if there are issues we need to sort them first though ... and media-hub specifically has shown many unexpected issues on the go
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> great work on the new file manager guys! looking good
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> is there an url i can follow channel=devel update changes?
[11:03] <ogra_> asac, i would be more worried about the features where we *dont* seem to have someone working on yet to have them landing before june ... like battery warning ... or a shutdown dialog etc etc
[11:04] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, not devel, but devel-proposed (or rather utopic-proposed) http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: tnx!
[11:04] <ogra_> for trusty changelogs there is a subdir ...
[11:05] <asac> ogra_: battery warning? who would own that?
[11:05] <ogra_> asac, not sure if thats an indicator or a shell thing ... probably power-indicator for the trigger (since it knows the charge state) and shell for the dialog
[11:07]  * ogra_ sees rickspencer3 managed to get phishtracks in the store and tries if you can play songs in germany
[11:07] <rickspencer3> hey ogra_
[11:07] <rickspencer3> I will be *shocked* if it doesn't work there
[11:07] <rickspencer3> that music is licensed in a pretty kind way
[11:08] <ogra_> plays fine :)
[11:08] <rickspencer3> nice!
[11:11] <fattest> when will ubuntu touch be stable for samsung galaxy s2 (i9100) ?
[11:12] <ogra_> fattest, you should ask the porter
[11:12] <ogra_> !devices
[11:12]  * ogra_ tickles the bot
[11:23] <bact> I would have thought the sII would be too old
[11:37] <ogra_> bact, not to old, but the port went idle after a while so what you can get for it is horridly outdated (far from what ubuntu touch is today)
[11:38] <bact> but the galaxy nexus port is discontinued right?
[11:39] <ogra_> well, you could keep it alive if you wanted :)
[11:39] <bact> are they not similarly spec'd devices?
[11:39] <ogra_> they are
[11:39] <ogra_> and neither is officially supported
[11:39] <ogra_> but that doesnt mean you couldnt maintain a community port for it ... as long as you get kitkat sources for it somewhere at least
[11:40] <bact> it seems weird to me that ubuntu has to rely on the android sources
[11:44] <ogra_> bact, how else would use the drivers ?
[11:45] <bact> ogra_: via the kernel?
[11:45] <ogra_> to use the modem or the sensors you need binary drivers that are only linked against androids bionic ... not against libc
[11:45] <bact> :/
[11:46] <ogra_> the kernel has as much driver stuff for the modem, gps or sensors (or the graphics) as the kernel on x86 has pieces for the nvidia binary driver in it ...
[11:46] <ogra_> and there are no open alternatives
[11:46] <bact> shame
[11:47] <ogra_> so what we do is to have a minimal android that only contains the hardware abstraction layer (drivers and the few daemons these drivers need)
[11:48] <ogra_> and we have libhybris ... that translates all libc calls into bionic calls
[11:49] <ogra_> that was we can run the minimal android in an lxc  container to drive the binary drivers ... but still keep a "normal" ubuntu that just talks to the lxc container when it needs to access the drivers
[11:49] <ogra_> s/was/way/
[11:52] <ogra_> if ubuntu would be as mbig as android on the phone we would have enough market share to put some pressure on HW manufacturers to actually open the drivers (or at least parts of it) and wouldnt need android ...
[11:52] <ogra_> but today we arent that big :)
[11:52] <ogra_> btw, firefoxOS and jolla do the same ... we all rely on these binary blobs from android
[12:52] <cwayne1> bah, emulator segfaulting
[12:53] <ogra_> must be a (virtual) hardware issue :P
[13:22] <sergiusens> cwayne1 expected on x86 unless you build yourself with the prebuilt x86 toolchain
[13:22] <cwayne> sergiusens, nah it was armhf
[13:30] <cwayne1> kenvandine: i don't suppose there's golang bindings for content-hub in the works?
[13:31] <kenvandine> cwayne1, nothing yet, i suppose we need them
[13:38] <popey> hey
[13:39] <voltagex> hi
[13:39] <voltagex> I'm trying to build http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/phablet-tools
[13:40] <popey> voltagex: so https://launchpad.net/phablet-tools is the upstream for phablet-tools
[13:40] <popey> sergiusens is the owner of that lot I believe.
[13:40] <voltagex> yep, I'm using dpkg-buildpackage against it
[13:41] <sergiusens> what's up?
[13:42] <voltagex> just a Debian user trying to build phablet-tools
[13:42] <sergiusens> ogra_: is utopic broken?
[13:43] <sergiusens> ogra_: just did a bootstrap flash and I died
[13:44] <ogra_> sergiusens, died ? how ?
[13:45] <sergiusens> ogra_: can't mount userdata and after flashing I wasn't rebooted into ubuntu, but to recovery
[13:45] <sergiusens> trying again now
[13:45] <ogra_> sergiusens, dogfooding didnt reveal any issues with either #1 or #2
[13:45] <voltagex> I'm having issues building the click tool for Debian jessie/sid.
[13:46] <ogra_> (and i just promoted #2 to the utopic channel ... waiting for stgraber to show up to switch the deve/devel-proposed aliases)
[13:46] <sergiusens> voltagex: the click tool isn't part of phablet-tools fwiw; you want lp:click
[13:46] <voltagex> sergiusens: yeah, it gives me *very* odd dependency problems on Debian
[13:47] <voltagex> favourite pastebin?
[13:47] <sergiusens> voltagex: maybe cjwatson can help you there ;)
[13:48] <ogra_> voltagex, paste.ubuntu.com (indeed :) )
[13:50] <voltagex> erm, is there a way to cat to that one?
[13:50] <ogra_> apt-get install pastebinit
[13:50] <ogra_> you can pipe to it or call it with a file as argument
[13:50] <ogra_> (not sure it defaults to paste.ubuntu.com on debian though)
[13:51] <voltagex> http://pastebin.com/L9SCf8uv
[13:51] <sergiusens> a reflash did the trick
[13:52] <sergiusens> ogra_: ^
[13:52] <ogra_> wow, thats quite some deps missing
[13:52] <ogra_> sergiusens, great
[13:52] <sergiusens> I might consider formatting everything from now on though
[13:53] <sergiusens> ogra_: voltagex I am confused; are you building lp:click or lp:phablet-tools?
[13:54] <voltagex> sorry, lp:click
[13:55] <voltagex> from a bzr checkout - it's not in the Debian archives at all
[13:57] <sergiusens> voltagex: yeah, it's just that in your pastebin there''s a mention of phablet-tools
[13:57] <voltagex> crap, I think I've munged two
[13:57] <voltagex> ah yeah, that's after dpkg -i phablet*deb
[13:57] <sergiusens> voltagex: if you aren't in a schroot, can you apt-get install -f to get rid of the uninstallables
[13:57] <sergiusens> ?
[13:58] <voltagex> sergiusens: yep, that removes phablet-tools ;)
[14:00] <sergiusens> voltagex: I have a debian schroot; will give lp:click a go
[14:00] <voltagex> sergiusens: jessie/sid both give the same result. I would try it in a schroot but I find getting non-archive dependencies in there very hard
[14:10] <sergiusens> voltagex: lp:click built fine in a clean sid for me; apt-get install devscripts && mk-build-deps -i && debuild ... well it fails on tests; but I'll leave that to you ;-)
[14:11] <voltagex> hmm
[14:11] <voltagex> thanks
[14:11] <cjwatson> I recommend sbuild
[14:11] <voltagex> I've been fighting with sbuild for days
[14:11] <cjwatson> Perhaps https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild will help
[14:11] <cjwatson> There are no extra-archive dependencies needed here
[14:12] <sergiusens> cjwatson: yeah, it mostly worked fine for me in a sid schroot ; but sbuild is the way to go
[14:13] <voltagex> :( I must have turned off IRC logging.
[14:13] <voltagex> but I'm waiting for https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=714883
[14:13] <cjwatson> click builds cleanly for me in an unstable/i386 sbuild instance, including all tests passing
[14:14] <voltagex> okay, will try after some sleep
[14:14] <voltagex> thanks
[14:20] <cwayne1> mardy: dbarth: the ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts trunk isn't the same as what's in the image... should there be a landing scheduled?
[14:21] <mardy> cwayne1: weird, let me check
[14:23] <mardy> cwayne1: as far as I can see, it's in sync
[14:23] <mardy> cwayne1: with trusty, at least
[14:27] <dbarth> cwayne1: there was a hiccup 2 months ago, but i thought it was back in sycn; which diffrence do you see?
[14:29] <cwayne1> dbarth: looking at trunk, i'd expect the click hooks to be installed (whether or not they're setup/working is a different story)
[14:29] <cwayne1> unless they're just in the source but not setup to be installed to /usr/share/click/hooks?
[14:41] <chandra> Hello - anybody able to uninstall Samba4 on Ubuntu13.10 ? I tried to install Libreoffice Writer after I Samba4 uninstall and hit a Samba4 exception.
[14:42] <dobey> chandra: you need to ask in #ubuntu for support
[14:43] <chandra> how do i do that - first time Ubuntu user and in this chat room
[14:43] <ogra_> chandra, /join #ubuntu ...
[14:44] <ogra_> this is the chat room for the phone (and we dont have samba on there :) )
[14:49] <chandra> thanks ogra - I'm on ubuntu support, sent in  2 q's, no response yet. Lot of people quitting on that channel - thanks anyway. Let's see if Ubuntu support supports.
[14:50] <chandra> Giving up in about 5 minutes. All I see is people joining and quitting so I'm going to play it safe and not upgrade. Samba's been an install problem since 2005! Not good.
[14:51] <ogra_> cyphermox, hmm, i was just out at the grocery store ... seems NM itself switched fine from WLAN to 2G and back... but the indicator seems to be stuck on 2G
[14:51] <dbarth> cwayne1: the click hooks should be there
[14:51] <dbarth> cwayne1: but the rest of the branch may be stuck with the webapps+oa changeset
[14:51] <dbarth> cwayne1: which was pulled out for the time being
[14:52] <dbarth> cwayne1: you need mardy on that detail level though
[14:52] <chandra> Switching off. Thanks.Ubuntu's not supporting.
[14:52] <ogra_> cyphermox, if i expand i see my wlan checked and the general wlan checkbox too ... in the terminal i also see my route goes to the wlan and i can surf ...
[14:52] <ogra_> chandra, seriously ... this is IRc
[14:52] <ogra_> you have to be a bit patient
[14:52] <ogra_> ah ... to late
[14:53] <mardy> dbarth: ah, yes, the revert was not correct, so those files have remained in trunk :-/
[14:58] <cwayne1> dbarth: should be there as in should be in the image?
[14:59] <dbarth> cwayne1: so that's the issue; there's been a revert and trunk is not in sync until webapp+oa lands :/
[15:00] <dbarth> mardy: i think you should enforce that revert on trunk, and that will make the webapps+oa branches relevant again
[15:02] <mardy> dbarth: no please, can't we leave those files there? They are harmless, AFAIK
[15:02] <mardy> dbarth: I'd really avoid trying more rebases and risk messing up things again
[15:03] <ogra_> cyphermox, heh, now the indicator just switched to 3G ... yet the defaulkt route points to wlan
[15:24] <dpm> rickspencer3, you might want to ask mandel for docs on download manager
[15:24] <rickspencer3> hi dpm
[15:24] <mandel> tell me :)
[15:24] <dpm> hey :)
[15:24] <rickspencer3> mandel, I asked in #ubuntu-app-devel ... where do I find docs on Download manager?
[15:25] <mandel> rickspencer3, I have a branch that generate the cpp and the qml docs, I have talked with mhall119 about this, we are in th ci train to land some changes for it required for mms and the browser and will then will land the docs branch
[15:26] <mandel> s/th/the
[15:26] <rickspencer3> mandel, can I use it today?
[15:26] <rickspencer3> the reason I ask is because I have a project where the server doesn't return the xml as a web page, but rather initiates a file download
[15:26] <rickspencer3> I assume that the download manager can help me with this :)
[15:27] <rickspencer3> mandel, if it's not ready yet, I can just wait until it's out
[15:29] <mandel> rickspencer3, you can use it, yet you app will not be able to find it in the img because is not part of the sdk just yet (I've talked with bzoltan about that)
[15:29] <mandel> rickspencer3, and yes, the download manager will do that for you with no problems
[15:29] <rickspencer3> mandel, ok
[15:30] <mandel> rickspencer3, and is super easy to use, if you wait until it is added to the sdk it will be easier for you
[15:30] <rickspencer3> mandel, I knwo that mzanetti figured out how to supply the functionality I want for one of his apps
[15:30] <rickspencer3> so I'm sure I won't be blocked
[15:30] <rickspencer3> mandel, yeah, I'll wait
[15:30] <rickspencer3> thanks for the info
[15:30] <mandel> rickspencer3, no worries, I'll join the app-devel channel, sorry I missed that one
[15:30] <ogra_> whee !
[15:30]  * ogra_ sees a pathwind update in the store
[15:30] <rickspencer3> mandel, no worries at all
[15:31] <ogra_> kenvandine, :)
[15:31] <kenvandine> ogra_, ?
[15:31] <mandel> rickspencer3, let me get you the uds talk about the api so that you can get an easy idea of what you will get
[15:31]  * mandel looks
[15:32] <rickspencer3> thanks mandel
[15:32] <ogra_> kenvandine, i had installed your test click package ... just got a store update for it
[15:32] <mandel> kenvandine, update in the game
[15:32]  * rickspencer3 pictures everyone playing pathwind
[15:32] <rickspencer3> "for work"
[15:33] <mandel> rickspencer3, here you go => http://summit.ubuntu.com/appdevweek-1403/meeting/22128/add-download-capabilities-to-your-apps/
[15:33] <mhall119> bzoltan: pmcgowan: what's the status of the ubuntu-sdk-14.04-dev1 to ubuntu-sdk-14.04 framework version transition? All I see is the -dev1 frameworks in the Ubuntu SDK
[15:33] <rickspencer3> cool
[15:34] <mandel> rickspencer3, diego does a very good explanation of how to use the api and from my point of view is super easy
[15:34] <rickspencer3> mandel, thanks, I'm looking forward
[15:34] <kenvandine> ogra_, like it?
[15:34] <bzoltan> mhall119: for us to change it is a simple fix
[15:35] <mandel> rickspencer3, will ping you when is in the img so that you have no issues with the deployment on the phone, probably will add something to the g+ group too
[15:35] <ogra_> kanyeah, i do :)
[15:35] <ogra_> kenvandine, yeah, i do
[15:35] <kenvandine> cool
[15:36] <pmcgowan> mhall119, that is on lool's list to enable
[15:36] <pmcgowan> mhall119, needs to go in the image first
[15:38] <mhall119> will we put out a new trusty image with the new framework version?
[15:41] <mhall119> bzoltan: what is qmlplugindump and why does it hate my CPU so much?
[15:54] <ogra_> popey, so wheer is the deathtrigger webapps in the store now ?
[15:54] <popey> given how my i7 laptop struggled.. I would imagine the phone would burn out playing DT2
[16:13] <ogra_> cyphermox, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7360362/
[16:13] <ogra_> :((
[16:13] <ogra_> thats what i get after upgrading to utopic on my phone
[16:13] <ogra_> cyphermox, davmor2 thinks it is related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dnsmasq/+bug/1313393
[16:14] <davmor2> ogra_: no Mirv thinks that I think it is just the dns wasn't there
[16:15] <ogra_> ah
[16:15] <ogra_> well, disabling wlan and re-enabling fixed it
[16:15] <Mirv> I have that bug on desktop, I just mean that the fact that there is new upstream version of dnsmasq in utopic may cause other problems in addition to that desktop one
[16:15] <ogra_> but its the same "two default routes" issue i had before
[16:23] <cyphermox> ogra_: ack
[16:24] <cyphermox> I don't know what causes this. NM routes should have a different metric for each type of connection which would ensure this dual default gateway thing would never happen
[16:24] <cyphermox> not that it's technically incorrect that it happens ;)
[16:25] <cyphermox> I'm going to look at the logs some more, maybe something will pop out
[16:25] <ogra_> yeah, sorry, i have already dis/enabled wlan and it works again
[16:26] <ogra_> next time i'll keep it in the brokenb state so we can capture stuff
[16:30] <davmor2> cyphermox: I've hit it going from wifi to 3g and 3g has had no dns, then when I come back to wifi there is no dns.  I'm assuming it is something on the device as disconnecting 3g and wifi and reconnecting everyhting just magically works again but I've only hit that once so far so I'm looking for ways to reproduce it reliably currently
[16:30] <davmor2> cyphermox: of course I think we just blame awe_ and wonder off ;)
[16:31] <awe_> davmor2, bug #?
[16:33] <davmor2> awe_: there isn't one yet I hit it at the weekend and it's been fine since if I find a way to reproduce I will bug it immidiately
[16:37] <Sivik> hey, whats the default password for ubuntu touch 14.04 beta?  ubuntu doesn't seem to be working
[16:38] <ogra_> phablet
[17:02] <davmor2> cyphermox, awe_: happy coincidence my browser looks like it might be about to time out.  What do you need off the device?
[17:03] <awe_> I would say, /var/log/syslog, and then the output from 'netstat -rn', '/usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-modems' and 'list-contexts' ( same dir )
[17:04] <awe_> cyphermox may have other requests
[17:05] <davmor2> awe_: this is on wifi I've not done any flipping with this but I'm imagining that it won't be connecting on 3g either but if I knock the wifi off it might change the state
[17:06] <awe_> davmor2, ok.  I thought this was a 3g issue...  for deeper Wi-Fi debugging, I'll defer to cyphermox
[17:11] <davmor2> cyphermox: anything you want?
[17:12] <cyphermox> lunch
[17:12] <cyphermox> :)
[17:12] <cyphermox> file a bug, add the output of ip route and /var/log/syslog
[17:22] <davmor2> cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1314299
[17:26] <Sivik> thanks ogra_
[17:26] <Sivik> Anyone know of a ereader program for touch?
[17:26] <ogra_> there is beru
[17:26] <ogra_> but it can only read open epub ...
[17:27] <Sivik> thats fine.
[17:27] <Sivik> Thats the format I always try and find anyways
[17:27] <ogra_> (no drm content, no pdf)
[17:33] <Sivik> what is going to happen to ubuntu touch when ubuntu one goes away?
[17:36] <ogra_> Sivik, only the file sharing service will go away
[17:37] <Sivik> oh ok, not the program install thingy is going away
[17:37] <ogra_> right, authentication stays ... and the db backend as well
[17:37] <ogra_> you can store app config data in it still
[17:37] <Sivik> Alright.
[17:37] <Sivik> Cause I juse installed beru though it but got the warning message about it going away
[17:38] <ogra_> thats weird
[17:38] <ogra_> the auth service surely wont generate such a thing
[17:39] <mterry> Are there any known bugs with wifi on image 2?  (mako)
[17:39] <Sivik> I got it when I signed up for an account.
[17:39] <ogra_> mterry, there are issues with dnsmasq in general in utopic
[17:39] <ogra_> mterry, i had an issue as well, dis/enabling wifi should fix it
[17:40]  * mterry tries
[17:40] <ogra_> (it did for me at least)
[17:40] <mterry> Doesn't seem to help here
[17:41] <ogra_> :(
[17:41] <Tassadar> stgraber: hi, how does upgrade from trusty to utopic on devel-proposed channel work? I mean, the version number was reset, and from what I can see, s-i-cli checks the version numbers
[17:41] <ogra_> how does the issue manifest ?
[17:42] <stgraber> tsimpson: devel-proposed is an alias to trusty-proposed. When the alias changes, system-image-cli ignores the version number, considers it is currently at ID 0 and does a full upgrade.
[17:42] <ogra_> mterry, do you see the wlans listed in the indicator and all ?
[17:42] <Tassadar> ooh
[17:42] <Tassadar> okay, thanks
[17:42] <mterry> ogra_, well I have two makos.  On the one without a sim, it connects to wifi but doesn't dns resolve anything
[17:42] <mterry> ogra_, on the one with a sim, it looks like it connects, but the indicator never stops showing 3G
[17:42] <Sivik> is there a way to reboot ubuntu touch other than typing sudo reboot in command line?
[17:43] <mterry> Sivik, adb reboot?
[17:43] <Sivik> from the phone, not from the pc
[17:43] <ogra_> Sivik, hold the power button for 3 sec
[17:43] <ogra_> it will shut down ...
[17:44] <Sivik> Yea, I was thinking there might be another way other than a full shutdown and then restart
[17:44] <ogra_> wait til all backlight is gone andyou can boot again
[17:44] <ogra_> not yet
[17:44] <ogra_> at some point that 3sec press will pop up a dialog
[17:44] <Sivik> alright.
[17:45] <ogra_> but that dialog doesnt exist yet
[17:45] <Sivik> Thats all I needed to know.
[17:45] <ogra_> same goes for "low battery warning" btw
[17:45] <ogra_> so watch the battery indicator :)
[17:45] <Sivik> ok, yea, my battery indicator is way off in ubuntu touch
[17:45]  * ogra_ has it often enough that his phone shuts down while reading or so
[17:46] <ogra_> when i forgot to keep an eye on it
[17:46] <Sivik> yea, My battery indicator is way off
[17:46] <Sivik> What device do you have ogra_ ?
[17:46] <ogra_> all of them :)
[17:46] <ogra_> but i dogfood only on my mako
[17:47] <Sivik> yea, I have a nexus 5 so that might be part of it
[17:47] <ogra_> the rest are for ad-hoc testing or hacking
[17:48] <Sivik> Since the nexus 5 isn't supported, I probably shouldn't even be talking about it
[17:49] <ogra_> well, we like to get fixes and patches for it :)
[17:50] <Sivik> I'm not a coder so I wouldn't even know how to start
[17:50] <ogra_> even if it isnt officially supported
[17:50] <ogra_> you could file bugs (if there arent any) for issues you find ... and some coder could pick them up
[17:50] <Sivik> Alright.
[17:50]  * ogra_ is actually surprised nobody looked into the sound issues with N5 yet
[17:51] <Sivik> what sound issue?
[17:51] <ogra_> dunno
[17:51] <Sivik> oh
[17:51] <ogra_> i always hear people say there are sound issues
[17:51] <Sivik> I haven't played much with sound on the n5 yet
[17:52] <Sivik> should be battery life be shorter with ubuntu touch installed?
[17:52] <ogra_> shouldnt (butt probably is)
[17:52] <Sivik> alright.
[17:52] <Sivik> i will submit a bug later tonight when I get home
[17:52] <ogra_> ++
[17:56] <Tassadar> there, tasemnice is building utopic for n5 and deb right now)
[18:08] <Sivik> Tassadar: what is that?
[18:08] <Tassadar> that's my system-image server with builds for hammerhead and the LTE version of nexus 7
[18:08] <Sivik> Oh ok.
[18:15] <Sivik> oh fun, beru cuts off the top of my pages on my epubs
[18:15] <davmor2> cyphermox: did you have everything you needed in that bug?
[18:16] <popey> Sivik: https://github.com/rschroll/beru/issues
[18:16] <cyphermox> yeah looks fine
[18:19] <davmor2> cyphermox: thanks I'll disconnect it now so I can get the latest image then :)
[18:27] <Sivik> Yep, its the header bar thats blocking it
[18:29] <Sivik> awesome, easy fix in the code
[18:34] <Sivik> now to figure out how to open the file as root on my phone.
[18:36] <Sivik> what is the command to open the file manager on touch via command line so I can open it as root
[18:42] <mhall119> ogra_: do I need to ubuntu-device-flash my phone to get the utopic images on my Nexus 4?
[18:43] <ogra_> no
[18:43] <ogra_> if you are on devel or devel-proposed you should just get an update offered
[18:43] <ogra_> if you are on any "trusty-*" channel you will have to switch channels though
[18:44] <mhall119> It seems I am on channel: ubuntu-touch/trusty
[18:44] <asac> stgraber: can you check with Saviq on your questions on unity8/mir etc.? he can connect you to right folks to give you these details to get started
[18:44] <ogra_> mhall119, yeah, thats a dead end
[18:44] <stgraber> asac: ok
[18:45] <mhall119> ogra_: so ubuntu-device-flash or system-image-cli --channel devel --build 0 ?
[18:45] <ogra_> mhall119, adb shell system-image-cli  --channel ubuntu-touch/devel -b 0 -v
[18:46] <mhall119> thanks
[18:49] <stgraber> Saviq: so first question, what do I do if I want to start a unity8 session using Mir on tty9?
[18:51] <Saviq> stgraber, you need to start unity-system-compositor there
[18:52] <Saviq> stgraber, it takes a --vt arg
[18:53] <Saviq> stgraber, then, you launch unity8 pointing it at the u-s-c's sockets, that's effectively what the unity8 session wrapper does, /me looks again
[18:54] <stgraber> Saviq: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7361266/
[18:55] <Saviq> stgraber, actually looking at the files again, not sure it starts u-s-c any more
[18:56]  * Saviq tries
[18:56] <ogra_> Saviq, it uses usc-wrapper
[18:57] <ogra_> (ubuntu-touch-session)
[18:57] <Saviq> ogra_, yeah, we're talking the desktop session
[18:57] <ogra_> ah
[19:01] <Saviq> stgraber, wrong, it does use usc still, here's the command it runs on my machine:
[19:01] <Saviq> /usr/sbin/unity-system-compositor --file /tmp/lightdm-mir-0 --from-dm-fd 19 --to-dm-fd 28 --vt 9 --enable-hardware-cursor=true
[19:02]  * Saviq tries to find out where does this come from
[19:04] <stgraber> Saviq: what are those two fds? (19 and 28)
[19:05] <Saviq> stgraber, connection to the display manager
[19:05] <Saviq> stgraber, so that comes from lightdm
[19:06] <stgraber> are those mandatory or can I skip those until we get that stuff integrated with lightdm?
[19:07] <Saviq> stgraber, we have it integrated with lightdm
[19:07] <Saviq> stgraber, install unity8-desktop-session-mir, and just select the Unity8-Mir session in the greeter
[19:08] <stgraber> Saviq: I know we do but not in the way asac asked me to get it to work :)
[19:08] <stgraber> Saviq: I need to get unity8 and Mir running in a LXC container
[19:08] <Saviq> stgraber, yeah, I know
[19:09] <Saviq> stgraber, so yeah, you should be able to just run u-s-c as root and then point unity8 at the correct socket, that's about it, not sure what the error you got is about, might want to check with folks in #ubuntu-mir
[19:10] <Saviq> stgraber, but maybe --file is all you need
[19:10] <Saviq> to get rid of that fial
[19:10] <Saviq> fail
[19:11] <mterry> stgraber, yeah, running USC manually is hard.  Let lightdm do it if you can
[19:12] <Saviq> brb, food
[19:12] <mterry> stgraber, (it talks a lot to lightdm so uses some control fds for its private protocol)
[19:13] <stgraber> mterry: right, so the context is that we want to run a LXC container which contains unity8 and Mir. We'll want that integrated with lightdm eventually, though at the moment I'd like to see it start standalone at least once so I can see it fail on whatever devices it needs to access, then I can tweak the container config and get it working, at which point we can do the lightdm bits.
[19:15] <stgraber> oh, looks like I can try unity8 directly for that maybe
[19:16] <mterry> stgraber, yeah unity8 can be a standalone thing
[19:16] <mterry> stgraber, just run it with an unset MIR_SOCKET
[19:21] <Saviq> right, or that
[19:26] <chrisq_nl> hi
[19:27] <chrisq_nl> I just bought a touch enabled laptop and  immediately installed ubuntu trusty
[19:27] <chrisq_nl> touchscreen is working pretty good.. but sometimes fails to load on boot..
[19:27] <chrisq_nl> and no right click..
[19:28] <ogra_> chrisq_nl, you might want to go to #ubuntu-x instead
[19:28] <chrisq_nl> ah.. check
[19:28] <stgraber> mterry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7361449/
[19:28] <ogra_> (this channel is for ubuntu touch, the phone OS)
[19:29] <chrisq_nl> ok.. I read the desktop and phone version would merge for 14.10, so I figured this would be the right place.. :P
[19:29] <chrisq_nl> thx.. I'll go to #ubuntu-x
[19:30] <ogra_> they will merge at some point between 14.04 and 16.04
[19:31] <ogra_> work on that will *start* in 14.10
[19:33] <mterry> stgraber, that might be a better question for Mir folk
[19:34] <mterry> stgraber, certainly looks like EGL can't deal with the environment you've got though
[19:36] <stgraber> mterry: who are the Mir folks nowadays?
[19:36] <ogra_> stgraber, the guys in #ubuntu-mir mostly :)
[19:36] <mterry> stgraber, #ubuntu-mir is a good start, they are responsive
[19:38] <Sivik> ok, I misseds if someone updated but how do I open the file manager on ubuntu touch as root so I can get outside my home folder
[19:39] <ogra_> you cant
[19:39] <ogra_> no app can get out of its confined space
[19:39] <Sivik> Ok, so how do I open a file to be able to modify it?
[19:40] <ogra_> on the commandline or with the terminal app
[19:40] <Sivik> cause I cannot use vi cause I don't have esc or ctrl to save the modified file
[19:40] <ogra_> (commandline via adb)
[19:40] <ogra_> note that the system is readonly though
[19:40] <ogra_> you do ;)
[19:40] <ogra_> tap and hold the terminal screen
[19:40] <ogra_> that brings up the ctrl wheel
[19:41] <ogra_> then hit c ...
[19:41] <Sivik> yea, but ctrl w isn't there
[19:41] <ogra_> and the tab key is generated by double tapping
[19:41] <ogra_> ctrl-c
[19:41] <ogra_> :w
[19:41] <ogra_> try that
[19:41] <Sivik> ok
[19:42] <Sivik> is there a way to tab complete from terminal?
[19:42] <ogra_> yes, double tap
[19:43] <ogra_> if you want a real escape key iirc there was a key panel you can enable from the bottom toolbar
[19:43] <ogra_> (i never use it since it steal screen space)
[19:43] <ogra_> *steals
[19:44] <Sivik> is there an insert key?
[19:45] <ogra_> not that i know of
[19:46] <Sivik> alright
[19:46] <Sivik> then I gotta find a file editor program I can use that doesn't use the insert key
[19:48] <dobey> vim?
[19:49] <ogra_> ++
[19:49]  * dobey has never used the insert key in vim
[19:49] <ogra_> i dont think i have used the insert key ever
[19:49] <ogra_> anywhere :)
[19:49] <dobey> yeah, that too
[19:49] <josepht> I use Shift+Insert to paste in xterms all the time
[19:50] <dobey> well, i've only used to to turn off overwrite mode when i accidentally pressed it when i was in an editor
[19:52] <Sivik> ogra_: I use insert key all the time in vi/vim
[19:52] <Sivik> Ok, I copied a file over to my Documents folder but when I connect to my pc, its not showing up.  Even though I changed the permissions on it
[19:52] <Sivik> and ownership
[19:53] <dobey> Sivik: just pressing 'i' in vi/vim gets you into insert mode.
[19:53] <dobey> Sivik: although, at this point, why don't you just use adb shell to do it? :)
[19:53] <Sivik> true but you have to hit insert to get the replace mode
[19:54] <Sivik> dobey, I was just told adb shell is read only
[19:54] <dobey> Sivik: no, the filesystem is read only
[19:54] <ogra_> Sivik, the filesystem is
[19:54] <ogra_> you get a root shell with adb ..
[19:54] <Sivik> dobey, hum, wonder how you fix this then: https://github.com/rschroll/beru/issues/25
[19:54] <Sivik> about updating the header in beru
[19:55] <Sivik> almost on the bottom
[19:55] <ogra_> Sivik, /opt/click... is writable indeed
[19:55] <dobey> yes
[19:55] <Sivik> Ok.
[19:56] <ogra_> use adb shell via USB
[19:56] <Sivik> Alright, I was use adb shell
[19:56] <ogra_> doing it in the terminal app will only be painful
[19:56] <Sivik> yea, very much so
[20:01] <Sivik> ok, that didn't work
[20:01] <Sivik> Trying the other things.
[20:01] <ogra_> how did that not work ?
[20:01] <ogra_> oh, you mean the change didnt, not the editing
[20:01] <Sivik> yea, it didn't remove the header thingy in beru
[20:01] <Sivik> The edit work, the fix didn't
[20:02] <ogra_> yup
[20:02] <ogra_> well, he pffers 3 differnt fixes
[20:02] <ogra_> *offers
[20:03] <ogra_> so you still have a chance :)
[20:03] <Sivik> yea
[20:03]  * ogra_ bets on the last one
[20:05] <Sivik> why do you think its the last one?
[20:06] <ogra_> because i have seen that one working with the webappp-container before ... which had a similar issue
[20:06] <Sivik> ok.
[20:06] <Sivik> I will just try that
[20:06] <Sivik> and to hell with the second one.
[20:19] <jdstrand> stgraber: curious what your unity8 in LXC is in support of
[20:20] <ogra_> jdstrand, running unity8 14.10 under 14.04
[20:20] <Sivik> ogra_: the third options didn't work.
[20:20] <ogra_> without having to upgrade
[20:20] <jdstrand> interesting
[20:20] <ogra_> Sivik, sad
[20:20] <Sivik> unless I put it in the wrong place
[20:21] <ogra_> well, after line 23 it says
[20:21] <Sivik> but is that line 23 including comment or without comments
[20:21] <ogra_> no idea, i dont know the code
[20:21] <Sivik> Ok
[20:21] <ogra_> i would put it in the first free spot after line 2
[20:21] <ogra_> *23
[20:24] <Sivik> http://pastebin.com/j1hkvL1A
[20:24] <Sivik> How do I get line number to display in vi?
[20:24] <ogra_> :set nu
[20:24] <Sivik> got it
[20:24] <Sivik> And I put it on line 24 which is the first open line after line 23
[20:24] <Sivik> Let test it again.
[22:21] <surgemcgee> Any in here have QtCreator open?
[22:25] <surgemcgee> If so, press Ctl+Alt+Del and tell me if it crashes the session.. I have to go
[22:43] <cwayne1> should an image:// url open in gallery-app automatically?


[03:59] <ironbear> Hey guys. New to this community. Any tips for a noob?
[04:01] <rbox> ironbear: tips?
[04:01] <ironbear> rbox: things to look out for in using linux
[04:01] <rbox> huh?
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | ironbear
[04:03] <ironbear> ubottu: thanks
[04:32] <jam_> is there a program like power director that will upload videos straight to youtube for linux?
[04:33] <jam_> guess everyone is too busy
[04:48] <CoffeRoaster42> Boycott Libera chat due to tyranical mods
[04:53] <CoffeRoaster42> Does modern Ryzen CPUs have any glitches, bugs, hangs, etc on modern linux OSs?
[04:57] <mybalzitch> less than intel.
[05:00] <CoffeRoaster42> hmm ok
[05:00] <CoffeRoaster42> :)
[05:05] <mybalzitch> my 5900x and 7800x3d and 7302p all run just fine on "modern linux OSs"
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> please leave this channel for serious matters mybalzitch CoffeRoaster42
[05:06] <mybalzitch> sorry, I'll stop feeding the troll.
[05:09] <Hammit> I have an issue with installing Ubuntu on a new SSD alongside my other Ubuntu on a separate SSD
[05:09] <Hammit> I formatted and partitioned the new SSD for the new install, including creating the ESP partition
[05:09] <Hammit> however, when I install Ubuntu it uses the ESP on the original SSD that has my old Ubuntu
[05:10] <Hammit> I want to eventually format the whole SSD that has my old Ubuntu, so I don't want to be using the ESP on it, but would rather that be on the new SSD
[05:17] <CoffeRoaster42> Im not a troll
[05:17] <CoffeRoaster42> I was asking about CPU compatability
[08:04] <mihael> exit
[08:04] <mihael> exit
[08:40] <ubuntusys> test
[10:31] <deadmorozz> hi
[10:32] <deadmorozz> chanserv?
[10:32] <tomreyn> hi and welcome, deadmorozz, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[10:39] <deadmorozz> hi
[10:39] <deadmorozz> why this distro is so catchy?
[10:49] <blogten> hello... FYI, Ubuntu 22 LTS ships p7zip version 16.02+dfsg-8, and this version can fail at random claiming IO errors.  a way to reproduce this is to compress a 1tb disk image (which xz compressed without issue down to ~150gb) with the command 7z a -mx=9 -mqs=on -mfb=273 -ms=on disk-image.7z disk-image.dd.  on a system with 2 cpus and 24 total
[10:49] <blogten> threads, doing that may take a few hours to fail (observed anywhere between 1 and 4 hours).  7z never finished the compression job.  there were no hardware errors reported in the logs, and the machine is otherwise stable.
[11:43] <william_> Good morning from Chicago everyone.  It's been years since I played with Linux and I had a question.
[11:44] <william_> Is there a linux native camera program for a webcam that is High Definition?
[11:44] <william_> Pref for gnome
[11:45] <Habbie> guvcview perhaps
[11:45] <william_> Thank you
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:02] <knyyl> hi
[14:03] <knyyl> Hi
[14:35] <cooleo>
[14:35] <szstr>
[14:38] <Guest666> unreadable but ekkzsekutabl
[14:53] <Guest666> i'm gonna create a C conghiler ayn web lanjewijh/slang
[14:53] <leftyfb> Guest666: please stop
[16:04] <moe> hey
[18:03] <CosmicDJ> fg
[18:04] <CosmicDJ> sorry
[18:04] <ironbear> #ubuntu discuss
[18:05] <ironbear> #ubuntu-discuss
[19:00] <oerheks> !info xz-utils
[19:18] <angellts> Hello everyone I have a problem on Ubuntu 22.04 with the installation of obs studio does not copy me the streaming key in the settings
[19:21] <oerheks> obs studio is offered as snap, https://snapcraft.io/obs-studio , i find no bugreports on launchpad
[19:21] <oerheks> nor here https://github.com/snapcrafters/obs-studio/issues
[19:23] <oerheks> angellts, maybe you could reask in #obsproject here on #libera
[19:23] <angellts> oerheks, tanks
[20:07] <Square2> Just checking. Anyone know if ubuntu 22.04 is affacted by the xz ssh backdoor?
[20:08] <leftyfb> Square2: if you read the articles or bugs about it, you'll see that it never saw the light of day other than in a beta version of Fedora which has since been reverted
[20:09] <Square2> ah ok
[20:12] <Devrim> debian had it tho?
[20:12] <leftyfb> no
[20:12] <leftyfb> it was never released beyond a tarball and in the beta version of fedora
[20:13] <Devrim> Compromised packages were part of the Debian testing, unstable and
[20:13] <Devrim> experimental distributions, with versions ranging from 5.5.1alpha-0.1
[20:13] <Devrim> (uploaded on 2024-02-01), up to and including 5.6.1-1. The package has
[20:13] <Devrim> been reverted to use the upstream 5.4.5 code, which we have versioned
[20:13] <Devrim> 5.6.1+really5.4.5-1.
[20:14] <Devrim> So not sure :D
[20:14] <oerheks> =yes we are sure, it has never been released in ubuntu or the next 24.04 beta
[20:26] <arraybolt3> leftyfb: According to what I read in debian and Ubuntu development channels, Debian was compromised, Ubuntu 24.04 *may* have been compromised and is about to take extraordinary measures to sanitize the entire archive. No stable release (23.10 or earlier) is affected.
[20:27] <leftyfb> no stable release of Debian was compromised
[20:27] <leftyfb> I'd like to see anything saying Ubuntu 24.04 was compromised
[21:16] <whoami> lots of people run Debian testing though
[21:16] <whoami> just saying
[21:16] <leftyfb> whoami: feel free to discuss in #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic or #debian
[21:16] <whoami> leftyfb: i'm just responding to you
[21:33] <Habbie> leftyfb, whoami, not #debian. #debian-next maybe.
[22:39] <Strykar> how do I install CUDA 12 on Ubuntu 22.04?
[23:07] <skriba> Brazil???
[23:07] <skriba> hello
[23:08] <tomreyn> skriba: hello, and welcome to ubuntu support (not chat).
[23:08] <skriba> tks
[23:14] <charles> Alt + Control + T will open a Terminal window, but inconveniently it opens a NEW window instead of t he Terminal window I'm already using.
[23:15] <charles> there are scripts that open the last one used, which is much more useful, but I can't figure out how to install those scripts.
[23:24] <bprompt> Pruners:  depends on what terminal app you're using, I  use Konsole, and it has an option for "open in new tab, existing window", now  you can simply issue the command from a keyboard shortcut, either existing or do a keyboard mapping using "autokey"
[23:25] <bprompt> Pruners: you can check your terminal app's options from a console using the --help argument, on how to open in a new tab
[23:41] <lubuntu> hi
[23:44] <Pruners> generally, bprompt, I want to return to the Terminal window I was just using.  Hmm I'm not sure what Terminal I'm using...  but it can and will open another tab, providing another window, and I do so, but usually I want to return quickly to the Terminal window I was just working in.
[23:45] <bprompt> Pruners: right, well, in Konsole, adding --new-tab will open a new tab in the current session window, not a new one
[23:46] <bprompt> Pruners: but that's up to the console app if it has such options


[00:01] <robin0800> Firefishe: in kubuntu the setting is in system settings/sessions
[00:06] <Firefishe> robin0800, OerHeks:  Well, I just logged in and out of every desktop I'm using on this box, namely gnome-shell and unity.  I didn't bother with fluxbox or enlightenment, as they're not affected.  However, I did find that the nautilus window only opens on kde now, not the others.
[00:07] <Firefishe> Umm...I need to log in and out again...forgot to see what folder opens up, duh.
[00:08] <Firefishe> robin0800, OerHeks:  The folder that opens is my user's home folder.
[00:11] <OerHeks> Firefishe, oke, did you check ~ System -> System Settings -> Advanced -> Autostart ?
[00:11] <Firefishe> checking now
[00:12] <Firefishe> OerHeks: kde or gnome system settings?
[00:12] <OerHeks> in KDE ofcourse
[00:14] <Firefishe> OerHeks: For me, I believe that would be the equivalent of:  K > System Settings > Startup and Shutdown > Autostart -- That sound right?
[00:14] <OerHeks> yes :-)
[00:15] <OerHeks> ( i am on a dutch version, but this sounds good)
[00:15] <eydaimon> anyone?
[00:16] <Firefishe> OerHeks: Yeah, the interface is the same, depending on what menu one is using.
[00:17] <Firefishe> OerHeks: I do have something, apparently a shell script.  In Autostart, there is a Pre-KDE startup occurrence listed, and what is starting is named:  gtk2-default-theme.rc.sh
[00:19] <fk6> amason/robin0800/0erHeks: CD is installing fine, so the current 32bit alternate image somehow cannot be burned on a USB stick, even when following the instructions on the kubuntu webpage to the letter...wonderful...
[00:19] <OerHeks> maybe that is the thing what opens nautilus, i am not sure.
[00:20] <Firefishe> OerHeks: It says gtk2...  Don't the newer gnomes, both gnome-shell, and unity, both use gtk3?
[00:20] <amason> fk6: i guess..i dunno it works for me
[00:21] <fk6> thx for suggestions...
[00:22] <OerHeks> eydaimon, i wouldn't recommend a wubi installation to upgrade, save your data, uninstall and do a fresh wubi installation, note that wubi is just a test, not for real production.
[00:23] <Firefishe> OerHeks: I just did a locate on the CLI.  That script is in three places.  More than likely, the main one is in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/gtk2-default-theme.rc.sh and the others listed for each user (me and my wife) are probably symlinks.
[00:24] <Firefishe> so it's kubuntu/kde-centric, and probably is used to assign the default themes for gtk2 apps when run in kde.  I don't think that's it.  It could be, but I do not see how at this stage.
[00:25] <Firefishe> OerHeks: Meaning, I do not see how it could open the nautilus window at login./
[00:26] <Firefishe> I appreciate your help.  robin0800:  you too :).  I'll continue my troubleshooting.
[00:27] <fk6> Firefishe: you tried logging in with another/new user?
[00:27] <OerHeks> Firefishe, me 2 .. i just did locate myself, and i have that file too, but i did not have gnome installed.
[00:27] <robin0800> Firefishe: in kubuntu if you had one open at session end it would save and then reopen unless you told it to start with a clean session
[00:27] <Firefishe> OerHeks: That would seem to suggest my hypothesis is true.
[00:27] <fk6> I have has such issues. then did a grep in my home dir on the command that started the program, in this case nautilus, this helped me find the culprit config/script
[00:28] <Firefishe> fk6:  What am I looking for?
[00:28] <fk6> have you tried logging in with another "fresh" user?
[00:28] <Firefishe> robin0800: So how do I set it to open a clean session?  I prefer that anyway.
[00:28] <fk6> if it happens with that one too, then it is a default config file
[00:28] <robin0800> Firefishe: in kubuntu the setting is in system settings/sessions
[00:29] <Firefishe> fk6: You mean with a newly created user?
[00:29] <fk6> if it only happens with your user it is one of your config files, if so grep in your home dir for the command to start nautilus, it should not be noted anywhere, afaik, if you find it, make backup of that file and comment that line out, or delete the file
[00:29] <fk6> Firefishe: yes that's what i mean
[00:30] <Firefishe> fk6: Well, it does happen with my wife's user, as well.
[00:30] <Firefishe> I need to run a parallel session of kde to this one...let me see if I can do that and if the folder opens up again.
[00:31] <fk6> have not read the whole thread, struggling with my own prob, may i ask why you have nautilus installed on a kde system?
[00:32] <fk6> two fixes, if you don't require it, rename the nautilus executable, or uninstall it.
[00:32] <Firefishe> fk6:  I also have gnome installed.
[00:32] <fk6> ah ok
[00:32] <fk6> that's a tad messy then.
[00:32] <Firefishe> I use a lot of gui's, switch when I get bored, etc.
[00:33] <eydaimon> how do you tell what version you have? /etc/debian_version says sid/wheezy which doesn't seem right
[00:33] <Firefishe> fk6:  Well, it became messy when unity and gtk3 came alone.
[00:33] <Firefishe> along
[00:33] <amason> Firefishe: you can tell kde not to load your old session
[00:33] <amason> settings->startup and shutdown -> session management
[00:34] <Firefishe> amason: Thank you, let me try that.
[00:34] <amason> select start with empty settings
[00:34] <amason> session rather
[00:34] <amason> also check in autostart
[00:34] <fk6> Firefishe: make a backup of your etc. grep in your etc for the nautilus command, and eliminate it bit by it from the config files.
[00:34] <amason> and the service manager
[00:34] <amason> fk6: gnome uses their gconf so it may not be greppable
[00:35] <fk6> amason: they don't have human readable configs? gah
[00:35] <amason> i'm not sure.....could be serialized
[00:35] <fk6> Firefishe: and if your wife has had a user for longer on the system, try a new user account, a fresh one, with no config files in it.
[00:36] <Firefishe> fk6, amason:  I've gone ahead and set it to log in with a fresh user.  Simple things first.  Also, deleting anything in the /etc/ directory without knowing exactly what I'm looking for is dangerous,.
[00:37] <Firefishe> I'm going to log in and out again...be right back.  Again, thanks for all the help.  I'll probably have to log in to my wife's account and manually adjust that, too.
[00:37] <amason> i didn't recommend deleting anythign in /etc
[00:37] <amason> i actually didn't say to delete anything at all
[00:37] <Firefishe> amason: I know, that was for fk6.
[00:38] <Firefishe> brb
[00:45] <Firefishe> amason:  That did the trick!  Thank you! :)
[00:46] <amason> yw
[00:46] <OerHeks> amason +1
[00:46] <Firefishe> fk6, OerHeks, robin0800:  Also thank you for your suggestions. :)
[00:46] <OerHeks> Firefishe, have fun
[00:47] <Firefishe> OerHeks: oh heck yes! ;) hee.  I'd have more fun if I could write software in at least one language.
[00:48] <fk6> Firefishe: gratz :)
[00:49] <Firefishe> fk6: thanks :).  Anyone here need any help with anything?
[00:50] <fk6> Firefishe: well, your married, so no thank you ;)
[00:51] <Firefishe> fk6: heh
[00:51] <fk6> Firefishe: not in the way that you are not qualified, but in the way that you are already "occupied" ;)
[00:52] <Firefishe> fk6: ya, I get it.
[00:52] <Firefishe> ;)
[00:52] <OerHeks> i know, kubuntu users are very attractive :-D
[00:53] <Firefishe> fk6: might want to move this to #kubuntu-offtopic
[00:53] <fk6> 0erHeks: famous, indeed....
[00:54] <fk6> Firefishe: nah, it's all part of the Kubuntu service level agreement ;)
[00:54] <Firefishe> fk6:  oh, we can chit chat in here a bit?
[00:54] <Firefishe> I know they get really edgy in #ubuntu, and the #ubuntu-offtopic chan is pretty active.
[00:55] <Firefishe> no mattah
[00:56] <fk6> Well #ubuntu has way more business than #kubuntu...in like 2h 4ppl....and what's the worst that will happen ;) I will slap them with the usbcreator screwup ;) nvm i am off, pleasure meeting you guys....gn
[01:18] <AuroraIsland> hello
[01:21] <Resistance> hi'
[04:43] <N00bish> is this the right room for help q's?
[04:46] <N00bish> anyone around?
[04:53] <frogonwheels> N00bish: ask. don't ask to ask.
[04:54] <frogonwheels> N00bish: you _may_ have to wait depending on the time and the question :) ask and stick around for an hour or so
[04:54] <N00bish> is this the right room for help tho
[04:54] <N00bish> i was told to goto kde help
[04:54] <N00bish> but there isn't one lol
[04:54] <N00bish> just you guys...?
[04:55] <KingSphinx> I'm not sure whether or not this goes into this channel or for Wine, but ever since I removed my "Program Files" menu entry a while back, nothing I install with Wine will appear in Kickoff. Anyone know how to get my stuff to start appearing again?
[04:56] <frogonwheels> N00bish: you on kubuntu?
[04:56] <frogonwheels> N00bish: or ubuntu and using kde?
[04:56] <N00bish> i have a freshly installed Ubuntu Desktop 10.04 LTS + x2go
[04:57] <N00bish> so nothing yet, but i would like kubuntu
[04:57] <N00bish> i used debian and gnome previously on the same hardware
[04:57] <amason> N00bish: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:57] <N00bish> but i tried to install the above desktop but ran into problems with the intel graphics card
[04:58] <frogonwheels> N00bish:  well kubuntu is just ubuntu with kde as the default environment really.
[04:58] <N00bish> vnc server ran fine and i could connect to it, but kubuntu wouldnt start "startx" just reported intel n10 graphics card problems
[04:58] <amason> what is your graphics card ?
[04:58] <frogonwheels> N00bish: so it won't make a difference to the xserver - so you'll need to work that out.
[04:58] <amason> specifically
[04:59] <N00bish> i tried a few google fixes, got nowhere and figured id made such a mess paying around with the config that i should do a fresh install
[04:59] <N00bish> it just says intel n10 chipset?
[04:59] <N00bish> google results finds a lot of known bugs :/
[05:00] <KingSphinx> Wait, found something about having to fiddle a bit with my .config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu file.
[05:00] <N00bish> the remote desktop worked but i only got the grey screen so it was like kubuntu didnt install correctly
[05:00] <N00bish> but i got no error messages on the install :/
[05:02] <N00bish> am doing apt-get install update on it now but i dont know if installing kubuntu is the best choice?
[05:02] <christopher_> N00bish: installing KDE is always the best choice
[05:03] <N00bish> lol no bias on here huh? ;)
[05:03] <christopher_> NEVER second gues KDE ;)
[05:03] <N00bish> so kde is the first thing to install before the vnc4server?
[05:03] <N00bish> i keep thinking im making some fundamental flaw in it
[05:04] <N00bish> same hardware but debian, gnome and xrdp worked fine
[05:04] <christopher_> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/vnc4server-on-ubuntu-458240/
[05:04] <christopher_> idk I use VNC without issue
[05:04] <christopher_> I would use Ubuntu server, but Kubuntu works fine as a server
[05:05] <N00bish> cheers christopher, ill go read, yeah the vnc server and viewer worked fine - but the kde wouldnt start :/
[05:05] <N00bish> no gui to see, just the grey background
[05:05] <christopher_> its nice to have the overhead GUI when working with it and I hardly if ever see any issues with my server bogged down, but then again I am running 4 xeons and 128gig of ram
[05:06] <N00bish> :o thats quite a set up!
[05:06] <christopher_> I like it
[05:06] <christopher_> its older DDR2, my work was just gunna throw it out
[05:06] <N00bish> at the risk of being flamed... windows server 2008 rc2 also worked fine on this hardware
[05:06] <christopher_> im like "I want the blade!"
[05:06] <N00bish> but i dont want windoze or debian :(
[05:06] <christopher_> I like win server
[05:07] <christopher_> I use it at work
[05:07] <christopher_> it is actually quite nice
[05:07] <N00bish> it takes more resources though
[05:07] <christopher_> meh
[05:07] <N00bish> ive only got a single core and 2gb ram
[05:07] <N00bish> i need all i can get out of them :)
[05:07] <amason> we use x2go at work, it works pretty well.
[05:07] <christopher_> on servers running 512+gb of ram and 16 processors per blade... resources are a misnomer
[05:07] <christopher_> its a hospital
[05:08] <amason> N00bish: i think you will find that it's just driver issues. from the looks of it your intel card isn't able to use the 'proper' intel drivers
[05:08] <christopher_> guthrie clinic and emergency medical center
[05:08] <N00bish> amason: yeah the forums for my server recommended x2go in fact the reinstall script includes it on the server
[05:08] <christopher_> I didnt get any hard drives with the blade because of redords and crap but I got the hardware I run Kubuntu on it, its beautiful
[05:09] <N00bish> amason: that is why im here. im too noobish to be able to work out what to do re: a working driver
[05:09] <christopher_> records*
[05:09] <christopher_> if only it had a pci express slot, it would be my gaming rig lmao
[05:09] <N00bish> do i solve my driver issues (or try to) before installing kde or after?
[05:11] <amason> N00bish: well you don't have much option really with that version of ubuntu
[05:11] <christopher_> Kubuntu is pretty much Ubuntu with all of GTK removed and KDE superglued on top
[05:11] <amason> i don't know if the situation would improve either since iirc that chipset is just not well supported
[05:12] <N00bish> ;'(
[05:12] <N00bish> break it to me gently why dont you lol
[05:12] <amason> intel write drivers for their chipsets and they are very good...however i don't think intel actually made your chipset
[05:12] <christopher_> what chipset
[05:12] <amason> it's just branded as such
[05:12] <amason> N10
[05:13] <N00bish> im installing kde atm
[05:13] <christopher_> the g41?
[05:13] <N00bish> ill see if i can get a version number or something
[05:13] <N00bish> anything better than lspci?
[05:13] <christopher_> if it is the wifi it is a stupid uhhh cant remember who made the chipset but it isnt Intel
[05:13] <N00bish> for a more specific answer?
[05:13] <christopher_> broadcom
[05:13] <N00bish> really?
[05:14] <N00bish> broadcom?!
[05:14] <christopher_> I do believe so
[05:14] <N00bish> my face right now! :o
[05:14] <DarkriftX> ouch
[05:14] <DarkriftX> broadcom = shit
[05:14] <amason> christopher_: graphics ?
[05:14] <christopher_> me?
[05:14] <amason> i didn't know broadcom made graphics drivers ?
[05:14] <N00bish> i think my nokai 3310 would have better graphics :/
[05:14] <DarkriftX> never gotten their crap to work right in linux without hassle
[05:14] <christopher_> I use an nvidia gtx 550 TI OC to 950mhz
[05:14] <christopher_> oh is he having graphics issues?
[05:15] <christopher_> with an Intel driver?
[05:15] <amason> yeh :)
[05:15] <amason> yeh but i don't think it can use the intel driver
[05:15] <christopher_> http://www.h-node.com/videocards/view/en/111/Intel-Corporation-N10-Family-Integrated-Graphics-Controller
[05:15] <christopher_> well supported graphics set
[05:15] <christopher_> I thought it was a wifi issue
[05:16] <amason> hmm ok
[05:16] <christopher_> maybe you have a bad graphics chip
[05:16] <christopher_> or bad ram
[05:16] <amason> if that's the case if you can use i915 you might have other issues
[05:16] <N00bish> my previous server i toasted the cpu on it
[05:16] <N00bish> #whoops
[05:16] <amason> since i915 is what i use and it's pretty rock solid
[05:16] <N00bish> they're gonna stop selling me them soon!
[05:16] <christopher_> I know :(
[05:17] <christopher_> but their new chipset is already FLOSS friendly so im good
[05:17] <christopher_> entering the gaming market and making an actual gaming chip for their graphics
[05:17] <amason> christopher_: i have a sandy bridge at work which is super smooth
[05:17] <christopher_> sandybridge imho sucks
[05:17] <N00bish> ill see if maybe i can update the lspci and get some more details on the n10 junk
[05:17] <christopher_> I use old 1366 stuff and it still out performs sandybridge
[05:17] <christopher_> but im also on a 980
[05:18] <christopher_> 6 gigs of tri channel 1600mhz ram
[05:19] <christopher_> when Intel comes out with their new chipset (their answer to AMD's 24 core processor) then I will upgrade
[05:19] <N00bish> from the looks of it it's onboard graphics
[05:19] <N00bish> oh god
[05:19] <christopher_> until then, sandybridge was an interim build to make up for what 1366 offered that their other line lacked
[05:20] <N00bish> from lspci: "VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller"
[05:20] <christopher_> QPI, there is nothing that compares to it
[05:20] <christopher_> run ramcheck86 or whatever the hell its called
[05:20] <christopher_> memtest86
[05:20] <christopher_> let it run twice
[05:21] <christopher_> if it passes twice, reinstall the OS
[05:21] <christopher_> from a new iso, new burn
[05:21] <christopher_> redownload the iso, reburn it
[05:21] <N00bish> its a remote server so it was installed from a script
[05:21] <N00bish> but i will run the memtest now
[05:21] <christopher_> ive seen Kubuntu do some screwey things from a disk that didnt burn properly
[05:22] <christopher_> or a bad file that got corrupted during download
[05:22] <christopher_> md5 is good but its not perfect
[05:22] <christopher_> md5 works great for large isos
[05:22] <christopher_> for smaller files it is give or take
[05:24] <christopher_> omg im running the new plasma desktop on my android 3.5" phone
[05:24] <christopher_> it is so nice
[05:24] <christopher_> you plug it into a KDE machine and you can drag a file off to a "drop box" plasmoid and it drops it on the device
[05:25] <christopher_> you can even drop other plasmoids into the plasmoid and it installs it on the device without any real input
[05:25] <N00bish> is memtest something i need to run at boot?
[05:25] <christopher_> thats hot
[05:25] <christopher_> yes
[05:25] <N00bish> like do a reboot and do it
[05:25] <N00bish> ah ok
[05:25] <christopher_> run it from the live cd
[05:26] <christopher_> or make a live usb stick
[05:26] <christopher_> and boot off of that
[05:26] <N00bish> its a remote server
[05:26] <christopher_> where
[05:26] <N00bish> i think there may be something in my server manager for it
[05:26] <N00bish> ovh fance
[05:26] <N00bish> france* even
[05:26] <christopher_> oi
[05:26] <christopher_> that sucks
[05:27] <N00bish> im starting to realise that too :(
[05:27] <christopher_> you can install memtest
[05:27] <christopher_> sudo apt-get install memtest-86
[05:27] <christopher_> when you run it, it will ask you to reboot I believe
[05:28] <N00bish> im just looking at the management console to see if perhaps they already have a memory test?
[05:28] <christopher_> sounds like screwey hardware if you installed from script
[05:28] <N00bish> it was their script so i presumed it would work
[05:28] <christopher_> right
[05:28] <N00bish> but maybe they expect all to run headless servers
[05:28] <N00bish> :(
[05:29] <christopher_> I never run servers headless
[05:29] <christopher_> I am a hands on kinda guy
[05:29] <christopher_> even if I have to carry a 7" portable USB display
[05:29] <christopher_> and keyboard and mouse with me
[05:30] <N00bish> i do that between my phone and windows desktop machine
[05:30] <N00bish> ;)
[05:30] <christopher_> one thing I noticed with headless servers, they still have graphics chips in them, even if no VGA port is available, you can still run a USB display
[05:31] <christopher_> I don't trust other technicians network cable work all the time lol
[05:31] <N00bish> the server manager just reports one 2gb stick of ram
[05:31] <N00bish> im going to install the memtest and reboot :)
[05:32] <christopher_> people are lazy, its a rule of life to live by, if you overcompensate always you can never be totally wrong
[05:32] <christopher_> just dont be an ass about it
[05:32] <N00bish> i may end up going down that usb display route - dont go anywhere christopher_ ;)
[05:33] <christopher_> http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-14-inch-Ultra-portable-Mobile-Monitor/dp/tech-data/B005F0IKHA
[05:33] <christopher_> I might actually get that to replace my 7"
[05:34] <christopher_> I like the price
[05:34] <christopher_> really handy to have for well basically anything
[05:35] <christopher_> broken laptop display, server work...
[05:35] <christopher_> sometimes, the well trodden path of physically working on something is the best way
[05:35] <christopher_> this way you know it is right
[05:39] <N00bish> ok. memtest installed... whats the command to run do i need to do a run and reboot command?
[05:39] <N00bish> its memtest86+ btw
[05:40] <christopher_> you select it from the grub menu
[05:40] <christopher_> it should have automatically loaded it
[05:40] <christopher_> as a boot option
[05:40] <christopher_> honestly, I think it should be a part of every linux install
[05:41] <christopher_> sometimes it is a pain in the ass to make a live USB stick or a live cd
[05:41] <christopher_> just to find out its a bad update that broke something
[05:42] <N00bish> excuse my ignorance but how do i get into grub (its grub2 iirc on this machine)
[05:42] <christopher_> just reboot
[05:43] <christopher_> it should show up with a new boot option added giving you like 2-3 seconds to press down
[05:43] <N00bish> im using putty to access the server though
[05:43] <N00bish> no way to run it without a restart?
[05:43] <christopher_> no
[05:44] <amason> you need a serial console
[05:44] <christopher_> memtest requires that no other processes be loaded in ram
[05:44] <amason> or ip vnc console or something like that
[05:44] <N00bish> im really in the sh!t arent i?! lol
[05:44]  * christopher_ uses ip vnc
[05:44] <christopher_> I love my little vnc box
[05:45] <amason> i like serial console :) it's quicker in most cases although with ubuntu you do need to set up grub to use the serial console first
[05:45] <christopher_> really great like tonight when I dont wanna drive in the bad weather to work, just to run system tests and backups and do reports
[05:45] <christopher_> ew comcast...
[05:45] <christopher_> I think I would shoot myself
[05:46] <amason> what is the comcast in reference to ?
[05:46] <christopher_> there
[05:46] <christopher_> I feel for you kirk...
[05:46] <amason> ah comcast are evil i take it ?
[05:46] <christopher_> just a pain to deal with
[05:47] <christopher_> they actually have hard line limits on the amount you can download
[05:47] <christopher_> and charge you more if you go over a certain amount
[05:47] <amason> we have bandwidth limits in Australia too
[05:47] <christopher_> plus they throttle your network
[05:47] <amason> shaped beyond a certain point
[05:47] <christopher_> well austrailia I can understand
[05:47] <christopher_> you are an island thousands of miles from anywhere else in the world
[05:48] <christopher_> the amount of cable just to get you connected to the rest of the world is phenominal
[05:48] <amason> well we are pretty close to some parts of the world :) just not the US
[05:48] <amason> indonesia and  south east asia is only a few hours from the north coast
[05:48] <christopher_> but here in the US, bandwidth limits are undeard of except comcast and wireless
[05:49] <christopher_> right but thats 3rd world countries, you probably get your line off of china
[05:49] <amason> no we have 12 undersea cables
[05:49] <christopher_> wow
[05:50] <amason> might be more now
[05:50] <christopher_> but still the amount of money it takes for something of that nature
[05:50] <christopher_> bandwidth limits are a must for the time being
[05:50] <christopher_> gotta pay for the work somehow
[05:50] <amason> well most of the traffic stays in australia
[05:50] <amason> i work at an isp
[05:50] <christopher_> right
[05:50] <amason> small one but still
[05:50] <christopher_> then thats BS
[05:51] <christopher_> unless it is routing out of the country, it should be unlimited
[05:51] <amason> so what happens when we fill our ACG ? just keep buying more and pass on the cost to the customers ?
[05:51] <christopher_> verizon is cool like that, if I use US servers, my downloads are always surcharged for 0bytes
[05:52] <christopher_> acg?
[05:52] <amason> the pipe from the exchange
[05:52] <amason> to the concentrator
[05:53] <christopher_> why does it have to be regulated if it is all within the confides of the country?
[05:53] <christopher_> its all local data
[05:54] <amason> yeh but it doesn't mean your not filling your pipes
[05:54] <amason> if i have 20mb backhaul from the exchange
[05:54] <christopher_> right
[05:54] <amason> and 12 users all leeching at the same time it's going to fill that easily
[05:54] <amason> so without limiting it in someway i have 2 choices
[05:54] <amason> i can reduce everyones download speed
[05:55] <christopher_> get better hardware, or reduce dl speed
[05:55] <christopher_> I get ya
[05:55] <amason> not hardware, physical cables
[05:55] <christopher_> right
[05:55] <amason> so no one likes slow internet
[05:55] <amason> so my only choice is to provide some limit so the pipe isn't always full
[05:55] <amason> or i buy bigger pipes
[05:55] <amason> and pass that on to the customers
[05:56] <christopher_> right what are you on? cat5?
[05:56] <amason> whic people don't like either
[05:56] <christopher_> right
[05:56] <amason> backhaul is fiber
[05:56] <amason> copper to the node
[05:56] <amason> but that's not an issue really
[05:56] <christopher_> I have a fiber optic to my house through verizon
[05:56] <christopher_> and I never fill my pipe
[05:57] <amason> ok but thats just _your_ pipe
[05:57] <amason> there is an aggregation point
[05:57] <christopher_> I work for a hospital and am always uploading and downloading data to my home servers for extra backup even though im not suppose to, but nobody is getting past my pitbull and shotgun
[05:58] <amason> and at the aggregation point you are paying for a certain portion of the fiber channel
[05:58] <christopher_> it has saved me hours of work because some numpty dumps a file without first asking me
[05:58] <christopher_> aha
[05:58] <christopher_> well $60 USD a month
[05:58] <christopher_> not too shabby
[05:58] <christopher_> but I had to buy all the equipment up to the pole
[05:59] <amason> but that still doesn't get you to your ISP's data center
[05:59] <christopher_> that explains a lot
[05:59] <christopher_> they just bypass it on to me
[05:59] <christopher_> then again I never abuse it
[06:00] <amason> so i guess what i'm saying is while you have unlimited data, your probably not allowed to download at the maximum speed your connection can provide...at least not at peak hour
[06:00] <christopher_> which is why I do all this at night
[06:00] <amason> ok, where as in australia we get the full speed 100% of the time
[06:00] <amason> but you have a download limit
[06:01] <christopher_> night time speeds 50+Mb/S, daytime its like 1.5~3
[06:01] <amason> so it's horses for courses
[06:01] <amason> but it means that you can for example run really reliable voip over regular dsl etc..
[06:01] <christopher_> I have a dl limit if I use an out of country server to download from or visit a foreign page
[06:02] <christopher_> yeah I have beautiful voip service
[06:02] <christopher_> never an issue
[06:02] <christopher_> even though its slow during the day, my voip doesnt cut out
[06:03] <christopher_> I love it when time warner cable comes knocking on my door offering "the fastest internet service in the area" and I tell them that I have a nice 50Mb/s fiber optic, please move along
[06:04] <christopher_> ive been with verizon for quite some time im not about to switch for a "cheaper service" anyway, its called customer satisfaction
[06:04] <christopher_> I like my uptime
[06:08] <christopher_> ok lunchtime ill be back sometime tomorrow, I need to head in to drop off a chart of printed automated BS documents
[06:44] <N00bish> well ive reinstalled the os - 11.4 vs 10.4 so maybe that will help with the intel drivers
[07:07] <N00bish> it did help. the quality is v v bad though
[07:07] <N00bish> but i have a gui at least!
[07:09] <N00bish> any advice on how to crank down the colour and display quality on kde please?
[07:09] <N00bish> ive done it on my rdp viewer but it's still a mess on screen
[07:30] <bodoh> hallo all .. what's the trigger for installing jre?
[07:31] <bodoh> apt-get install jre?
[07:38] <N00bish> can anyone give me some command line instructions to reduce colour quality on kde? its so bad with the intel chipset that i cant navigate the menus properly :/
[07:52] <N00bish> can anyone give me some command line instructions to reduce colour quality on kde? its so bad with the intel chipset that i cant navigate the menus properly :/
[08:14] <sfears> N00bish: look into f.lux
[08:14] <N00bish> hey sfears
[08:15] <N00bish> ive updated to 11.4 but my crappy intel integrated graphics is all kinds of wrong
[08:15] <N00bish> the display text is almost unreadable
[08:15] <sfears> adjust your resolution frequency and see if that helps
[08:16] <N00bish> im not familiar with the menus on kde to know where that is with no text :(
[08:16] <N00bish> my graphics card is labelled as "unknown" so i think thats my fundamental prob
[08:16] <sfears> not necessarliy
[08:18] <sfears> can you set your resolution to 800x600?
[08:18] <N00bish> no because its so bad i cant read the sceen
[08:18] <N00bish> everything is composed of black dots
[08:18] <N00bish> the K menu on the bottom left is completely blank except for the icons
[08:19] <N00bish> think f.lux will help?
[08:20] <sfears> no, i misunderstood your issue
[08:20] <N00bish> sorry its like i have no display driver :(
[08:20] <N00bish> its a crappy onboard intel n10
[08:20] <sfears> you asked about reducing quality.  i don't think that's what you need to do
[08:20] <sfears> yeah, your having driver issues
[08:21] <N00bish> ive come from debian and i dont have enough command line knowledge to know how to identify and update my drivers
[08:22] <N00bish> lspci tells me it's an n10 though
[08:22] <N00bish> from lspci: "VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller"
[08:22] <sfears> try finding a generic xorg.conf file and placing it in your /etc/X11 directory
[08:22] <N00bish> ok thanks for the suggestion :)
[08:23] <sfears> from there you can get a limited display so that you can navigate to the additional drivers installation
[08:23] <N00bish> where abouts should i be looking for that in the menu's?
[08:24] <sfears> no, on google
[08:24] <N00bish> oh ok :)
[08:25] <sfears> bodoh: have you figured out java installation?
[09:04] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, I've got an interesting problem.
[09:05] <LINKSWORD2> For some reason, my system works fine when running a live CD, but hangs during loading with an installed Kubuntu OS.
[09:06] <bodoh> eh .. this gnome-shell is really not bad at all
[09:06] <bodoh> I think it simply wants to copy Mac's look
[09:06] <bodoh> that I dont really like
[09:07] <LINKSWORD2> Linux is designed to be customizable, nearly down to every byte that the system processes.
[09:28] <simion314> hi, is Ctrl+Alt+Numpad -/+ some shortcuts in KDE/Kwin? or X11 I can't find them, i want to disable them
[10:29] <Guest7690> ok
[11:00] <aLeSD_> hi all
[11:00] <aLeSD_> someone knows how to use mtp for my icecream ?
[13:59] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:19] <DemonWitch> /lib/modules/3.0.6-gentoo/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/test_nx.ko
[14:19] <DemonWitch> /lib/modules/3.0.6-gentoo/kernel/net/netfilter/xt_mark.ko
[14:19] <DemonWitch> /lib/modules/3.0.6-gentoo/kernel/drivers/scsi/scsi_wait_scan.ko
[14:35] <Rosha>  hey guys ! when I want install digikam/virtualbox/vlc/kaffeine or something like these i have too many packages for installing ! but in debian these pkgs installed with maximmum 20 mb ....
[15:28] <vohe> hi. I got kubuntu installed. Everything works fine. Now i want merge my Thunderbird with the windows partition, that i can access under /media/data. But Thunderbird reports an error (file not found) so i have to mount first.
[15:29] <vohe> how can i get access to the /media/data partition right after boot? I found this: "UUID=48E3-A3AF /media/daten vfat " in /etc/fstab. But that doesn't work.
[16:09] <DemonWitch> i try to run wicd-curses and i get this error: http://dpaste.com/674277/ . how to fix it?'
[17:14] <vohe> does someone here uses tellico?
[17:34] <OrdosTrinitus> can anyone reccomend a good global occupy server and channel
[17:36] <e_t_> Twitter?
[17:36] <BarkingFish> OrdosTrinitus: Ask in #defocus - we provide tech support here :)
[17:37] <BarkingFish> you might also want to /msg alis list *occupy*  which will also help
[17:54] <nico_> hi
[18:42] <Antikiller> помогите kubuntu настроить, плиз!
[18:44] <BluesKaj> !bcm43
[18:44] <BluesKaj> !bcm
[18:45] <BluesKaj> !bcm43XX
[18:47] <BluesKaj> !ralink
[18:48] <BluesKaj> !rt2870
[18:48] <BluesKaj> hmm
[19:12] <BluesKaj> !intelhda
[19:15] <littlegirl> Hey there, I use Kubuntu Lucid Lynx, and for a few weeks now I haven't been getting notifications of updates in my tray like I used to. I haven't changed anything. The package manager settings are such that I should be notified, and I haven't deleted any widgets. Is there something I can do to fix this?
[19:16] <littlegirl> Also, when I right-click the tray and look in System Tray Settings, everything is checked, so it's not like it's disabled there, either.
[19:18] <Vaino> hi !
[19:19] <BluesKaj> littlegirl, as an alternative , sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade , in the terminal
[19:19] <littlegirl> BluesKaj: Thanks, but I knew that already. I'd like something to pop up like it used to. (:
[19:20]  * BluesKaj shrugs ..maybe there aren't any updates if the notifier isn't notifying :)
[19:20] <littlegirl> There are currently updates. (:
[19:21] <littlegirl> This has been happening for a while now, and I've tried checking my settings, checking if there's a widget that somehow got removed that I could put back, and checking if maybe there are no updates. But there have been updates many times recently and no notification. I'm hoping someone here will know what I could check.
[19:21] <BluesKaj> littlegirl, then it's not problem , if there's an alternative ...maybe the update in the terminal will fix the notification problem
[19:22] <littlegirl> BluesKaj: That's what I thought the last few times there were updates. But thanks. (:
[19:23] <littlegirl> BluesKaj: Do you know who the developer of the notification interface is?
[19:23] <littlegirl> Maybe if I write to him or her directly I could find out what needs to be fixed. (:
[19:28] <Vaino> hi, i have a little problem with the 2 last updates, naybody can help me?
[19:28] <k0s> 1
[19:29] <Vaino> the updates stop at 66% of the instalation... that's quite strange...
[19:47] <max_> Anyone could please answer me about dolphin ?
[19:55] <BluesKaj> max_, more details pls
[20:04] <max_> since KDE 7.4.4 dolphin doesn't display personal icon on my remote folder (nfs mounted system)
[20:05] <max_> First, I think it's a problem with KIO wich don't read the .directory file when it's a remote file system
[20:06] <max_> But, the display mode ( recorder from this file too) is save corectly
[21:14] <ROmeyro> hello guys, is it better to install kubuntu or ubuntu 32bits into a 64bits system or its better to to get a 64bits for a 64 bits?
[21:16] <ArchangelSe7en> ROmeyro, question
[21:16] <ArchangelSe7en> how much ram do you have ?
[21:17] <ROmeyro> 4gb ram
[21:20] <badboyyyyyy> лол
[21:20] <badboyyyyyy> lol
[21:20] <badboyyyyyy> hello all
[22:07] <messerting> Hi, I just installed kubuntu x86_64, chose to encrypt my home folder, but after installation, I was not able to log in - incorrect password. Known issue?
[22:09] <messerting> I did boot in rescue mode, reset the password, "passwd <user>", but still, I couldn't login
[22:09]  * messerting re-installing now
[22:16] <messerting> Nevermind - worked after re-installation it seems :P
[22:18] <messerting> On first login, kubuntu 11.10, I get "Local folders: Maildir '' for collection '' is invalid.". Okay...
[22:29] <Guest26079> Hello, I need some help changing my DPI on a fresh kubuntu 11.10 install with updates
[22:34] <Guest26079> Can anyone tell me where to find the "Force Font DPI" setting on the new KDE?
[22:37] <mike_> I figured it out (DPI)


[02:39] <rizonz> is backports really needed for servers ?
[02:43] <RoyK> depends what packages you need :P
[02:46] <rizonz> hehe
[02:46] <rizonz> RoyK: 1-0
[02:48] <rizonz> RoyK: but not many packages in there ?
[02:55] <patdk-lap> there isn't much worthy of backporting yet
[02:55] <patdk-lap> the older it gets, the more items get put into backports
[02:56] <patdk-lap> backports also don't get security patches
[03:05] <RoyK> patdk-lap: well, I guess that may be true for ubuntu, being a wee bit bleeding edge for most sysadmins. It's quite nice with debian, where the standard track is rather on the conservative side
[03:10] <patdk-lap> well, this is #ubuntu though
[03:20] <RoyK> I'm aware of that
[05:53] <Elzington> I'm looking at my syslog, and see: connect from unknown[<IP_ADDRESS>] ... is this a connection attempt, or is this a successful connection from that IP address?
[05:54] <Elzington> a second later I see: disconnect from unknown[<IP_ADDRESS>]
[05:54] <Elzington> the full line is: postfix/smtpd[20890]: disconnect from unknown[<IP_ADDRESS>]
[05:58] <dn`> anyone got by chance a fix/hint regarding: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1569925 I’m facing the same ;/
[06:17] <dn`> wuhuhu, I fixed it ;-)
[06:18] <dn`> *trying to narrow down the “fix*
[06:19] <dn`> the issue is that the network intereface gets shutdown to early, but iscsi thingie stil needs it
[06:19] <dn`> since the interface is started in initramfs for me, it was good enough to remove the interface from /etc/network/interfaces
[06:19] <dn`> but that’s nt really pretty
[06:38] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:04] <zeus123> hello everyone, can anyone help me regarding squid3 basic authentication from internet, which is behind NAT.
[12:26] <faekjarz> Hey there! I'd like to receive kernel updates, but i use the non-default 4.8 on 16.04. Is there a metapkg like linux-image-generic that points to a latest 4.8.0 kernel? (4.8 is required because it seems to have the ACS override patch applied / useful IOMMU groups)
[12:27] <faekjarz> …apt-cache search linux-image output doesn't look promising, did i overlook something?
[12:31] <rbasak> faekjarz: if you don't get an answer here, try asking in #ubuntu-kernel. Also there might be more people who know on a weekday.
[12:32] <faekjarz> rbasak: aye, thanks
[12:33] <blackflow> faekjarz: I was going to suggest the linux-generic-hwe package, but I guess that's not what you need?
[12:35] <faekjarz> blackflow: hmm, it points to the latest 4.8 (check), but what does hwe stand for?
[12:51] <faekjarz> …found it, btw, hwe stands for hardware enablement
[12:59] <patdk-lap> you will want hwe
[12:59] <patdk-lap> cause 4.8 will go unsupported soon
[12:59] <patdk-lap> so you will have to upgrade to what comes after 4.8
[18:25] <drab> is anybody doing something "magical" with write caching to allow backups with no downtime? or is it just a crazy idea?
[18:25] <drab> so basically turn some knob that stops writes to going to disk but just put them in cache, run a snapshot of the disk, flush writes to disk/re-enable writing as usual
[18:26] <drab> I realize that during the window of the snap if something happens you're screwed, but it's a risk I'd be willing to take in a few scenarios I need to deal with where I don't have slaves to take backups and don't want to stop services/block writes
[19:40] <rizonz> patdk-lap: yap, I have added it, it's only 2G
[19:40] <rizonz> RoyK: ^
[19:41] <RoyK> 2G what?
[21:08] <tekk> hi, is there a way to check which pci dev-id a network interface is ?
[21:08] <tekk> i.e. what does eth0 map to
[21:08] <tekk> (trying to identify nic's)
[21:09] <tekk> ah... lshw has it
[21:09] <tekk> my bad
[22:56] <WACOMalt> hey guys. How can I fix this issue with dependencies on my locales when trying to install tmux? https://pastebin.com/Q35vgvhz
[22:57] <WACOMalt> and when I do apt-get -f install I get this: https://pastebin.com/Lf7HfmgX
[22:57] <WACOMalt> which is more than a little scary to be frank
[23:02] <OerHeks> WACOMalt, is this on Zesty?
[23:07] <JanC> WACOMalt: what exactly did you do before that...
[23:08] <WACOMalt> this has been plagueing me for so long I have no idea what I did as it was like half a year ago
[23:08] <WACOMalt> and how do I check my ubuntu version :X
[23:08] <WACOMalt> I think its 14.04 server LTS
[23:11] <WACOMalt> OerHeks: yes just confirmed I am on Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS
[23:14] <JanC> it looks like you added third party repositories for some other release then
[23:16] <WACOMalt> https://pastebin.com/raw/7GxqHuFX
[23:16] <WACOMalt> that's my apt/sources.list
[23:16] <WACOMalt> I dont see anything fishy
[23:16] <JanC> lsb_release -d
[23:16] <WACOMalt> already found it, thanks :)
[23:16] <WACOMalt> 14.04.5 LTS
[23:18] <JanC> what sources are in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[23:20] <WACOMalt> JanC: https://pastebin.com/raw/8M3R2EGL
[23:21] <WACOMalt> looks like everything is for trusty
[23:22] <JanC> except for btsync maybe?
[23:22] <JanC> (also, those are just filenames, of course)
[23:29] <WACOMalt> JanC: went into btsync and all the others in text editor
[23:30] <WACOMalt> all say trusty
[23:30] <WACOMalt> any idea how I can force it to reinstall locales or whatever it's hanging on?
[23:31] <JanC> not until you find out what is causing this really
[23:32] <JanC> well, maybe find out if you have any packages installed that don't come from these repositories
[23:39] <WACOMalt> that's why I'm here, for help finding out what's causing this
[23:39] <WACOMalt> I'm completely out of my depths
[23:43] <drab> WACOMalt: what were you trying to install? generally speaking if you get to the point of running apt-get with -f something failed previously to install
[23:47] <WACOMalt> previously, I dont know. like Is aid it was likely 6 months ago
[23:47] <WACOMalt> currently, tmux
[23:51] <drab> WACOMalt: I assume you're not storing logs for that long, are you?
[23:52] <drab> WACOMalt: anything in /var/log/apt ?
[23:52] <drab> especially history.log(.x.gz)
[23:55] <drab> also is this a server install? assume so since this is -server, but why the gnome packages? did you put a gui on the server?
[23:55] <WACOMalt> at one point yes. I was using x-server forwarding
[23:57] <drab> WACOMalt: I assume you ddi an apt-get update and evreything is ok?
[23:57] <drab> do you have anything in /etc/apt/sourced.list.d/ ?
[23:59] <JanC> https://pastebin.com/raw/8M3R2EGL
[23:59] <JanC> supposedly they are all intended for trusty