[02:00] <chibiace> :)
[02:03] <chibiace> there have been packages being updated in the gutsy repos right? my package manager is saying there are 0 updates
[02:03] <gnomefreak> chibiace: yes
[02:04] <chibiace> i'll have a look on launchpad
[02:04] <gnomefreak> chibiace: what does uname -r output
[02:14] <chibiace> gnomefreak: im using .22-9 generic
[02:15] <Kousotu> anyone knowhow to remove a touchpad? (ie make it never work again on Ubuntu)
[02:15] <chibiace> Kousotu: removing it from xorg.conf?
[02:15] <Kousotu> I did
[02:15] <chibiace> blacklist the module?
[02:15] <Kousotu> the entire section is gone
[02:16] <Kousotu> I don;t know how to
[02:16] <Kousotu> and I'm on windowsright now
[02:16] <Kousotu> lol
[02:16] <pucca> hi everyone
[02:16] <Kousotu> my ext3 driver isn't working :(
[02:16] <Kousotu> pucca!
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> hey
[02:17] <Kousotu> hello
[02:17] <pucca> Kousotu hi there...having problems with ubuntu :o...
[02:18] <pucca> Does somebody knows if Gutsy Tribe 5cd is available for download?
[02:19] <gnomefreak> chibiace: you dont have the latest kernel it looks like
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> pucca: not yet I don't think... soon though
[02:19] <chibiace> gnomefreak: and it cant find any updates. i know
[02:20] <gnomefreak> chibiace: try a different mirror like gb.archive.ubuntu.....
[02:20] <gnomefreak> gb seems to be up to date afaict
[02:20] <gnomefreak> brb
[02:20] <pucca> nosrednaekim humn...what a shame...as it is supposed to be out on the 23rd (today), I thought i'd start downloading from now...lol
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> well... I know the Kubuntu one isn't... maybe the Ubuntu one is..
[02:21] <pucca> having some mad problems with compiz fusion in gutsy gibbon
[02:21] <pucca> nosrednaekim is there a website I can go to check if its available, cause, googling gives back way too many links
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> dunno.. I check the kubuntu front page.
[02:26] <Kousotu> pucca: just a minor one
[02:26] <Kousotu> pucca: the one I hte most, touchpa
[02:26] <Kousotu> chibiace: how do I blacklist it? my ext3 wants to work today
[02:28] <chibiace> Kousotu: do you know what the touchpad module is called? you put that in a file, should be in /etc somewhere with blacklist in the name i think
[02:28] <chibiace> gnomefreak: yes a mirror problem
[02:28] <chibiace> gnomefreak: excellent
[02:28] <gnomefreak> :)
[02:28] <Kousotu> chibiace: I don't know what its called
[02:29] <Kousotu> chibiace: lemme boot up fedora and get the name
[02:29] <chibiace> Kousotu: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[02:29] <chibiace> Kousotu: sounds dodgy that the touchpad would stuff up your ext3 driver which should be in the kernel
[02:30] <Kousotu> ?
[02:30] <Kousotu> chibiace: I'm on WINDOWS
[02:30] <Kousotu> lol
[02:30] <chibiace> uh perhaps there is another issue?
[02:30] <Kousotu> the windows driver for ext3doesn't alays work
[02:31] <Kousotu> no, it's just the touchpad, I want it disabled
[02:31] <Kousotu> I hate touchpads
[02:31] <Kousotu> lol
[02:31] <chibiace> oh lol
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> Kousotu: is there a button on your laptop for it? like fn+ something?
[02:31] <Kousotu> no...
[02:32] <Kousotu> I would have found that by now :(
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> oh..k
[02:32] <chibiace> Kousotu: you could always physically remove it
[02:33] <Kousotu> Im not opening up my laptop
[02:33] <Kousotu> lol
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> chibiace: lol I id that once.. the touchpad was broken and was interfering with the mouse.
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> chopping a few wires did the trick :)
[02:35] <chibiace> nosrednaekim: didnt it have a plug ?
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> nope... it was pretty old.
[02:35] <Kousotu> chibiace: lemme boot my virtual fedora, and see if I can make that work
[02:36] <Kousotu> chibiace: can we wok from that, and then apply it to Ubuntu?
[02:37] <chibiace> Kousotu: if you want
[02:37] <Kousotu> ok, lemme load Fedora
[02:39] <Kousotu> chibiace: any idea what "SELinux" is?
[02:40] <RAOF> Security Enhanced Linux.
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> "Security enhanced" developed by the NSA
[02:40] <Kousotu> ah..
[02:40] <Kousotu> thx
[02:40] <Arwen> SELinux is a bunch of rules governing executables based on extended filesystem attributes (going by memory here)
[02:41] <RAOF> AFAIK it requires a fair amount of setup in Ubuntu before it works.
[02:41] <Arwen> it's not at all easy to use
[02:41] <RAOF> And it gave fedora people *huge* headaches when they turned it on.
[02:41] <RAOF> But I think that's now fixed, pretty much.
[02:41] <Kousotu> RAOF: yes, I have heard that too, and seen how to do it
[02:43] <RAOF> We've got AppArmour installed & enabled at the moment, which is a simpler (but technically inferior, from what I've read) system for the same sort of thing.
[02:43] <Invincible_2> wth?
[02:43] <Invincible_2> DAMNIT!
[02:44] <Kousotu> there we go lol
[02:45] <Kousotu> chibiace: ok, fedora is loaded
[02:45] <Kousotu> now what?
[02:45] <Kousotu> lol
[02:54] <kiba> firefox seem to be really slow in connecting and looking up stuff
[02:54] <kiba> why is this?
[02:55] <DanaG> !ipv6
[02:55] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[02:55] <DanaG> That's one possibility.
[02:56] <Kousotu> kiba: how long have you had the OS running?
[02:56] <Kousotu> chibiace
[03:18] <kiba> Kousotu: since I brought and set up the computer
[03:19] <sid> I have a camera built-in to my LCD on my laptop, how can I identify what type it is?
[03:19] <kiba> Kousotu: ever since I upgrade my system to testing..it alway been slow
[03:19] <Kousotu> kiba: then you might want o clean th cache
[03:19] <Kousotu> to*
[03:19] <sparr> wish me luck on dist-upgrade from edgy to gutsy
[03:20] <Pici> ...
[03:20] <Stormx2> sparr:uhhh...
[03:20] <Pici> sparr: You really shouldnt do that.
[03:21] <sparr> wow, fastest failed upgrade ever.
[03:21] <Kousotu> lol
[03:21] <Stormx2> xD
[03:21] <RAOF> sparr: Really, really go through Feisty.  Edgy->Fiesty->Gutsy *should* work.  Edgy->Gutsy is totally unsupported.
[03:21] <Kousotu> can anyone tell me why my touchpad still works?: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34620/
[03:23] <Pici> Kousotu: probably because its mapped to /dev/input/mice?
[03:23] <Kousotu> Pici: can you help me remove it?
[03:23] <Pici> remove what?
[03:23] <Kousotu> my touchpad
[03:23] <Pici> uh
[03:23] <Pici> hold on, brb
[03:23] <Kousotu> k
[03:24] <sparr> well, if anyone cares...  dist-upgrade from edgy to gutsy fails completely
[03:24] <Arwen> we don't care :-)
[03:24] <Arwen> skipping versions is intentionally not supported
[03:24] <Kousotu> lol
[03:24] <sparr> it tries to install conflicting packages.  apt-get thinks that libdevmapper1.02 is both autoremove-able AND essential  :)
[03:27] <RAOF> sparr: See point "don't care" :)
[03:27] <RAOF> sparr: However, we *do* care if Edgy->Feisty->Gutsy breaks.
[03:28] <sparr> i wish ubuntu had something like debian unstable  :(
[03:28] <ggilbert> they do, it's gutsy
[03:28] <sparr> thats the only down side to switching distros
[03:28] <sparr> ubuntu+1 and debian unstable are nothing alike
[03:28] <Arwen> you can permanent unstable by switching to the devel release as soon as it's out o.O
[03:29] <Kousotu> wb Pici
[03:29] <Pici> ty
[03:29] <sparr> debian unstable is rock solid 99% of the time for 99% of users.  ubuntu+1 is guaranteed to fail for almost anyone until at least a few weeks into the dev cycle
[03:29] <Arwen> eh? it usually starts working without a glitch for me at the first beta
[03:29] <sparr> sure, first beta
[03:30] <RAOF> sparr: Indeed.  During the time when we catch up to Debian unstable :)
[03:30] <Kousotu> yw
[03:30] <sparr> first beta for gutsy is still 5(?) weeks away
[03:30] <Pici> Kousotu: I'd suggest figuring out what module your touchpad is using and then blacklisting it
[03:30] <Kousotu> pci: wel, can you help me with that?
[03:30] <Arwen> sparr, I suppose. Other than the gdm failure at logout, it works fine here.
[03:30] <ggilbert> the biggest difference is the length of the release cycle. Debian moved at a rather glacial pace, so the breakage was more spread out
[03:31] <Arwen> heh, glacial
[03:31] <sparr> on another topic...  why does ubuntu 'waste' my time with wacom and synaptic entries in xorg.conf by default?  now that i finally have a machine with a wacom input...  it doesnt Just Work.  so whats the point?
[03:31] <Kousotu> pici: well, can you help me with that?
[03:31] <Pici> Kousotu: I'm thinking how to get that information
[03:32] <Kousotu> k
[03:32] <Arwen> sparr, how so? having the entries is harmless
[03:33] <sparr> Arwen: having them spams me with errors every time i have to look into the x logs
[03:33] <Arwen> so, do a search and replace or something
[03:33] <Arwen> or edit them out
[03:33] <Instabin> Are the iso images updated with the new 100.14.11 driver
[03:33] <sparr> i do edit them out
[03:34] <sparr> it seems bad to have (EE) lines in the xorg logs by default for most users
[03:34] <sparr> when they dont SEEM to help
[03:34] <Pici> Kousotu: hmm... I'm not sure this is going to work the right way. Could you disable it through your BIOS?
[03:34] <sparr> i was glad when i saw i had a wacom touchscreen.  "wow, ubuntu supports that out of the box, i know this because ive had to disable those conf lines many times"
[03:34] <sparr> and then...  doesnt work
[03:34] <Kousotu> Pici: I doubt it
[03:34] <ggilbert> sparr: That's kind of funny
[03:35] <Arwen> sparr, well, wacom support is dodgy last I checked. You'd be glad if you had a synaptics touchpad though.
[03:35] <Kousotu> Pici: we can experiment in fedora if you want, I don't really care about it
[03:35] <sparr> im sure whoever i sell the tablet to will just reformat and install a pirated copy of xp tablet edition anyways...  but it would be nice to have it working in linux
[03:35] <Pici> Kousotu: I dont feel comfortable doing that.
[03:35] <Kousotu> Pici: either that or jus wai for me to make a virtual Ubuntu
[03:35] <Pici> I havent touched fedora in years.
[03:36] <Pici> I'd double check your bios though if you really want to disable it.
[03:36] <Kousotu> Pici: o, leme make a virtul ubuntu then
[03:37] <Kousotu> (this'll just take a few mins)
[03:39] <Pici> I meant your computer's bios, not the virtual machine's bios fyi
[03:41] <Kousotu> yes, I know
[03:41] <Kousotu> but I doubt the Bios has that option
[03:41] <Kousotu> and this way we can ply wih no harm to worry about
[03:41] <Kousotu> lol
[03:43] <Pici> Well I dont think its going to work.  My laptop binds both the trackpad and the nub to psmouse, which probably also controls your external mouse. So blaclisting that might also remove regular mouse functions
[03:44] <Kousotu> Pici: hence the virtual ubuntu
[03:44] <Kousotu> lol
[03:54] <Pici> hm... my sound appears to be broken with the new kernel
[04:02] <Tretle> could someone help me out with a gutsy installation
[04:03] <Tretle> I have an oem copy of windows on a seperate partition but ubuntu detected it and wouldnt allow me to enter a user name in the installation process
[04:03] <Tretle> so now I cant login because I dont know the username
[04:04] <Kousotu> try the windows one
[04:04] <Kousotu> in all lowercase
[04:04] <Tretle> I did, no luck
[04:06] <Tretle> I dont even understand why it thinks it should do that in the first place
[04:06] <Tretle> just because another os ubuntu is being shared with is an oem doesnt mean that the users control should be taken away
[04:08] <Kousotu> Tretle: I set it not to, I have my own login
[04:09] <Tretle> and where does it give you the option?
[04:11] <Kousotu> Tretle: were you install, mport "to inport non, select none and continue"
[04:11] <CydeSwype> hey all.  i've been troubleshooting all day (since the kernel upgrade).  trying to get nvidia back to its working state (so i can run compiz, external monitor, etc).  i've tried using the nvidia-glx-new package...but i think i'm still missing the nvidia kernel
[04:12] <Kousotu> Tretle: can you boot to windows?
[04:12] <Tretle> using windows right now
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> CydeSwype: that should be a dependency of the nvidia-glx-new package
[04:12] <Tretle> unfortunately
[04:13] <Kousotu> Tretle: open disc manager
[04:13] <Tretle> in windows
[04:13] <Kousotu> right-click "my computer" (compute on Vista) and select manage
[04:13] <Kousotu> yea
[04:13] <CydeSwype> nosrednaekim: one would think so...but it doesn't seem to appear in synaptic.  i'm still thinking i may have some goofy sources
[04:14] <Kousotu> Tretle: What windows version are you running?
[04:14] <Tretle> gott you so far
[04:14] <Tretle> vista
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> CydeSwype: hmm humm
[04:15] <Kousotu> ok, wanted to know
[04:15] <Kousotu> lol
[04:16] <Kousotu> cause Vista is set up diferently than XP
[04:16] <Tretle> what should I be trying to do?
[04:16] <Kousotu> select disk management
[04:16] <Tretle> get to a partition manager
[04:16] <Tretle> ?
[04:16] <Kousotu> that's what disk management is
[04:17] <Tretle> yep
[04:17] <Kousotu> select it
[04:17] <Tretle> yep
[04:17] <Kousotu> it shows (unknown partion,healthy)
[04:17] <Kousotu> corect?
[04:18] <Tretle> it shows 3 of them
[04:18] <Kousotu> 3?
[04:18] <Kousotu> hm..
[04:18] <Kousotu> sec
[04:18] <CydeSwype> what's that website where i can post a snippet for people to see?  i'll post my sources.list
[04:18] <Tretle> wait
[04:18] <Tretle> do u mean unknown instead of primary?
[04:18] <nosrednaekim> !paste
[04:18] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:18] <Kousotu> sec
[04:19] <CydeSwype> yeah that thing  ;^)  thanks
[04:19] <Kousotu> on the bottom is says Healthy (unknown)
[04:19] <Kousotu> right?
[04:19] <kelsa|martalli> When I start up, the computer hangs and goes into what I believe is a maintenance shell.  It then gives ream after ream of error messages.  If I kill the udev preocess, then everything is fine....I wonder if it might be looking for some old external drive (this computer has been upgraded since dapper and now is on gutsy)
[04:19] <kelsa|martalli> Is there a way to start off fresh with an new fstab, or am I taking a stab in the wrong direction?
[04:20] <CydeSwype> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34738/
[04:20] <CydeSwype> that's my sources.list
[04:20] <Tretle> no
[04:20] <Tretle> doesnt show that
[04:20] <Kousotu> what does it show?
[04:21] <Tretle> what exactly should I be trying to do? could I do it from gparted?
[04:21] <Kousotu> no, you want to remove the ext3 partions and star over
[04:21] <Tretle> system, boot, page file
[04:22] <Kousotu> on XP they come up Healthy ( Unknown partion)
[04:22] <Tretle> and it goes on like that in the drive header
[04:22] <Tretle> I installed vista first and then ubuntu over it if that helps
[04:22] <Kousotu> Tretle: cn you send me a snapshot of the dick maager on VIstapleas?
[04:23] <Kousotu> oops..
[04:23] <Kousotu> disk*
[04:23] <Kousotu> lol
[04:23] <Tretle> lol
[04:23] <nedw> are all these bugs going to be fixed or just postponed? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/tribe-5/
[04:23] <nedw> tribe-5 is tomorrow!
[04:23] <Tretle> really
[04:23] <Tretle> have no screenshot app
[04:24] <Kousotu> tretle: print screen, paste in Paint
[04:24] <Kousotu> print screenis the inbedded snapshot maker for windows
[04:26] <Kousotu> Pici: hey
[04:26] <Pici> Kousotu: hmm?
[04:26] <Kousotu> Pici: oh wait.. ubuntu v is still installing lol
[04:26] <Tretle> will I post the screen on pastebin or what?
[04:26] <Kousotu> Pici: sorry, I though tit was done
[04:27] <Kousotu> Tretle: email it lol
[04:27] <kelsa|martalli> Tretle: post the pic on flickr or something similar
[04:27] <Pici> Kousotu: You're going to have to ask someone else to help you, I'm going afk for a few hours
[04:27] <Pici> Kousotu: good luck
[04:27] <Kousotu> Pici: darn...
[04:28] <Kousotu> Pici: I'll be here all day ;)
[04:29] <Tretle> http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diskmanagerqi6.jpg
[04:30] <Kousotu> ty
[04:30] <Tretle> yw
[04:32] <Kousotu> delete the 3 un nammes partions
[04:32] <Kousotu> leave C and D aloe
[04:33] <Kousotu> that will remove ubiuntu from your system, and we'll work from there
[04:34] <kelsa|martalli> Tretle:  By the way, if you ever wanted to do this without Windows (no windows on the computer, etc), you could do it with a livecd such as the gparted livecd
[04:34] <Kousotu> kelsa|martalli: I've had alot of probelms with Gparted
[04:35] <Kousotu> kelsa|martalli: and this is about the easiest wy to do it
[04:35] <Kousotu> lol
[04:35] <kelsa|martalli> Kousotu:  It has always worked well for me, but I have probably used qtparted more (underlying program is the same however).  OpenBSD munched one of my laptops hard drives, so it has set sort of a low standard =)
[04:36] <Tretle> well up to today I ws using gutsy as my main system for a few months
[04:36] <kelsa|martalli> Tretle:  A few months?  You must have installed tribe-1
[04:36] <Tretle> but the Im starting a course in advanced networks and software design and the college want the students to use windows
[04:36] <kelsa|martalli> I only apt'd up last week (I feel unadventurous now =)
[04:36] <Rexbron> hey, any Ubiquity devs in here?
[04:37] <Rexbron> bug 134178
[04:37] <Kousotu> lol
[04:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134178 in ubiquity "[gutsy]  ubiquity crashes with InstallStepError: LanguageApply failed with error 2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134178
[04:37] <Kousotu> I felt rather gutsy (no pun intended) and installed Tribe4 alpha for a while
[04:37] <Kousotu> lol
[04:38] <kelsa|martalli> Is there any way to start over with a new fstab?  I suppose just deleting the file won't work (like it might with my .gnome directory)
[04:39] <kelsa|martalli> Maybe I should rephrase it...if I delete (rename) my fstab file...will my system not boot?
[04:39] <RAOF> kelsa|martalli: Yes.  That is correct.
[04:39] <kelsa|martalli> shucks
[04:40] <Tretle> before I go, you dont know why its taking so long to fix the duplicating documents and desktop in the places section of the panel so you?
[04:41] <Kousotu> Tretle: I don't know if his will work, but...
[04:41] <Kousotu> lok for an EXT3 partion driver for VIsta
[04:41] <Kousotu> and then move what you want to keep
[04:42] <Tretle> eh.... I could always through a copy of dapper in and use gparted on that
[04:42] <kelsa|martalli> Here is my fstab: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34741/  There is an esternal USB drive with several partitions and I think this drive and the fstab has been confusing feisty and more so gutsy (gutsy really won't boot unless I kill the udevd from the maintenance shell)
[04:43] <Tretle> i'll give it another go
[04:43] <Tretle> thx for the help
[04:43] <Tretle> cya
[04:44] <Jordan_U> kelsa|martalli, An external drive shouldn't need to be in your fstab unless it needs to be dealt with in a specific way
[04:44] <kelsa|martalli> Jordan_U:  So I could delete/comment out the lines referring to the external drive and see if that helps?
[04:45] <kelsa|martalli> The fstab and the whole install date back to dapper
[04:45] <BotLobsta> has anyone else noticed the progress bar on the startup splash screen not working in xubuntu?
[04:45] <DanaG> Wow, I installed Gutsy on a system that normally idles at 70 C, and now it's idling at 59.
[04:46] <DanaG> This is a laptop that normally idles at 70 C, and at load can hit 85 or 87.  Oh, and it's an Athlon XP 1400.
[04:46] <DanaG> I'm surprised the CPU isn't dead, actually.  I set the hostname to "silicon-oven" to be somewhat clever.
[04:46] <DanaG> But this dynticks really makes a big difference.
[04:47] <Kousotu> np Tretle
[04:47] <DanaG> Just one issue with that old laptop: zero battery life.  Batteries are apparently dead.  They go from 0%, charging, to 100%, not charging, and back.  I pulled out the battery for fear of starting a fire, or something.
[04:48] <kelsa|martalli> DanaG:  Is that new with gutsy?
[04:48] <DanaG> The battery thing?  Nope, it's there even in Windows.
[04:48] <DanaG> I just installed feisty by rebuilding 'instlux' myself, and then using net install.
[04:49] <DanaG> s/just/just today/
[04:50] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Yeah, I am just disappointed that we won't get the new scheduler for Gutsy
[04:51] <Jordan_U> DanaG, I had a battery balloon to about three times its width, luckily I saw it and took it out of my laptop while it was still just a one cm bulge
[04:51] <Vuen> hey guys, is compiz still on by default on the latest testing releases of gutsy?
[04:51] <Jordan_U> Vuen, Yes
[04:51] <DanaG> What's the proper way to get rid of dead batteries?
[04:51] <RAOF> Yes.
[04:51] <Vuen> awesome
[04:52] <Vuen> are they making a whitelist of cards for which it will be enabled by default? and if so, where might one see such a list?
[04:52] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Many times the manufacturer will take it for proper disposal
[04:52] <RAOF> Vuen: No, there's a blacklist of cards that can't work, and then we detect whether or not your driver/card combo can run compiz.
[04:52] <Vuen> that's cool
[04:53] <RAOF> Vuen: For details, see less $(which compiz) :)
[04:53] <Vuen> is everything ati on the blacklist? or have they released drivers that work yet?
[04:53] <Kousotu> RAOF: can you help me blacklist my touchpad?
[04:53] <RAOF> Kousotu: No, sorry.
[04:54] <RAOF> Vuen: No.  The blacklist is currently "nv, vesa, vmware".
[04:54] <Jordan_U> Vuen, Many older ati cards run CF fine with the open source drivers
[04:54] <Vuen> ah
[04:54] <DanaG> Oh yeah, you should see the heatsink on that laptop: it's 1/2 inch tall, 1.5 inches broad, and 1 inch thick (through the fins).
[04:54] <Kousotu> damn..
[04:54] <RAOF> Vuen: The open-source ati drivers run compiz fine, and the fglrx drivers don't provide the necessary features.
[04:54] <DanaG> Somebody at HP must've been drunk, or something, when designing that laptop.
[04:54] <Jordan_U> RAOF, Shouldn't fglrx be on there too, or do they not put it there in case someone installs XGL?
[04:55] <DanaG> It also has a floppy controller AND a spot on the PCB for the ribbon AND a slot on the exterior; however, the slot is covered with a blanking plate due to one oversight:
[04:55] <DanaG> If you put a floppy drive there, it'd occupy the same space as the hard drive.  Oops.
[04:55] <RAOF> Jordan_U: No.  We only blacklist drivers that die when we try to detect whether they can run compiz.
[04:55] <Vuen> ah. makes sense
[04:55] <Jordan_U> RAOF, Ahh, OK
[04:56] <Vuen> that's sweet.
[04:56] <Vuen> any news on the kubuntu+compiz front? or is that still a no go?
[04:56] <RAOF> Since we can safely detect that fglrx is crap, we don't need to explicitly blacklist it :)
[04:56] <Jordan_U> RAOF, What is the procedure for detection?
[04:56] <RAOF> Dunno, ask a Kubuntuite :)
[04:56] <Vuen> i'm running kgutsy here, but i don't know whether compiz is on by default :p
[04:57] <Jordan_U> Vuen, What GFX card do you have?
[04:57] <Vuen> nvidia 6600
[04:57] <kelsa|martalli> Ahah...I still have the problem, but I discovered this bug report<EMAIL_ADDRESS>which is exactly what I have
[04:57] <Vuen> no no, i can figure out whether compiz is running...
[04:57] <RAOF> Jordan_U: Does the driver support: (1) GL_EXT_texture_from_pixmap (detected with glxinfo), (2) Is Composite enabled (detected with xvinfo)
[04:57] <kelsa|martalli> They recommend uninstalling evms
[04:57] <Vuen> i'm just wondering whether it's by default on a fresh install
[04:58] <kelsa|martalli> Without evms, will I lose access to my external drives?
[04:58] <Jordan_U> RAOF, I assume xvinfo is where some drivers crash?
[04:59] <Jordan_U> Vuen, Enable restricted drivers and see :)
[04:59] <Amaranth> what scheduler?
[04:59] <Amaranth> gutsy has CFS
[04:59] <Jordan_U> Amaranth, Oh, nvm then :)
[05:01] <Vuen> Jordan_U: i upgraded from feisty, i won't be able to see
[05:01] <Vuen> besides, i'm already using compiz
[05:01] <Kousotu> cn someone help me disable mytouchpad?
[05:01] <Vuen> i'm just wondering whether it's on by default.
[05:01] <Vuen> on a fresh install.
[05:01] <Vuen> anyway nevermind
[05:01] <Amaranth> kubuntu is not getting compiz
[05:01] <Amaranth> ever
[05:01] <Amaranth> they're waiting for kde4
[05:01] <Amaranth> because, quite frankly, kwin blows compiz away
[05:01] <Vuen> ok see that's all i wanted to know
[05:01] <Vuen> thx
[05:02] <DanaG> Ooh, on this snd-via82xx driver, ac97 powersave breaks Gnome.
[05:02] <kelsa|martalli> Does kwin have the cube?
[05:03] <DanaG> I think I should confirm that, and if it's true, that's a big bug.
[05:04] <CydeSwype> this may be a bit of a newb question....but how do i know if i need nvidia glx, glx-new or glx-legacy?
[05:04] <Jordan_U> CydeSwype, Restricted manager should choose the correct one
[05:07] <CydeSwype> Jordan_U: cool.  trouble is, i tell the restricted driver manager app to "do the nvidia thing" and it says cool...makes me reboot...but i still come back up with an API mismatch error
[05:08] <Jordan_U> CydeSwype, Have you checked for any bugs filed in launchpad?
[05:09] <CydeSwype> yeah...but i'm not really sure what to look for.  nothing comes up for api mismatch
[05:13] <CydeSwype> whenever i search the bugs on launchpad with just the term "nvidia" i get an error...guess i should report that to the launchpad people
[05:14] <CydeSwype> went that time
[05:14] <CydeSwype> nothing blah
[05:19] <CydeSwype> hmm...modprobe nvidia should come back with something shouldn't it?
[05:21] <CydeSwype> reboot time brb
[05:21] <Jordan_U> CydeSwype, It should output nothing unless there is an error
[05:38] <DanaG> Dang, S3 TwisterK: no non-power-of-two textures.
[05:40] <johnficca> I'm pretty amazed I've not have a problem with gutsy gibbon in like two months
[05:40] <Vuen> i've had problems
[05:41] <johnficca> what kind ?
[05:41] <Vuen> open office wouldn't start for about two months
[05:41] <Vuen> actually it still won't start
[05:41] <Vuen> sometimes it shows the splash screen, sometimes it doesn't... either way it doesn't start up
[05:41] <johnficca> you could try downloading it from the web site
[05:42] <Vuen> meh
[05:42] <Vuen> i don't use ooffice anyway
[05:42] <Vuen> i use tex
[05:42] <Jordan_U> Vuen, Using KDE?
[05:42] <Vuen> yeah
[05:42] <Jordan_U> KDE unfortunately tends to not get nearly as much attention as Gnome
[05:42] <Vuen> i don't really mind, honestly i couldn't care less. if i desperately need to open a .doc, i just use abiword
[05:43] <Vuen> but i write *everything* in tex. lately i've been job searching so my resume, etc all in tex
[05:43] <Vuen> and kile is so awesome
[05:44] <johnficca> I like the new gummy clearlooks theme a lot
[05:45] <Tm_T> Vuen: I prefer plain txt
[05:45] <Vuen> a plain txt resume isn't exactly presentable...
[05:45] <Tm_T> and?
[05:46] <Tm_T> I rather read plain text than overstyled doc
[05:46] <Tm_T> really
[05:46] <Vuen> so would i, but a potential employer wouldn't.
[05:46] <Tm_T> depends
[05:46] <wweasel> I am trying to upgrade my Feisty system to Gutsy...passing "update-manager -d" simply gives me an update-manager window telling me there is nothing new to install
[05:46] <Vuen> they're likely to pass over your resume for something decently typeset.
[05:46] <Vuen> wweasel: that's because there isn't. gutsy's not out yet
[05:47] <wweasel> Vuen: I know it's ubuntu+1. The wiki said that should work
[05:47] <Tm_T> Vuen: well, my last "job" liked txt more than doc, styled or not ;)
[05:47] <Vuen> ah. that's a minority in the real world.
[05:47] <DanaG> Mmm, 87 celsius... nice and toasty.
[05:48] <CydeSwype> so for anyone interested:  after this morning's update to kernel -10, i rebooted and couldn't get nvidia working (had to switch xorg.conf to nv).  kept getting api mismatch error.  just now, i tried switching to nvidia-glx-new.  that didn't fix it, but when i went to restricted driver manager,and re-enabled nvidia driver (and rebooted) that fixed it
[05:48] <DanaG> Oh, you need -c -d, not just -d
[05:48] <Tm_T> DanaG: Sauna?
[05:48] <DanaG> Do saunas get that hot?
[05:48] <CydeSwype> so i guess the re-install of nvidia-glx was what solved it for me
[05:48] <Tm_T> DanaG: usually hotter
[05:48] <Tm_T> DanaG: if you're in Finland that is
[05:48] <Vuen> 89 C? where are you???
[05:49] <DanaG> It's a crappy laptop with an all-too-small heatsink.
[05:49] <Tm_T> DanaG: just had idea to heat up sauna, I like easy and tender so 90 C is my target
[05:49] <DanaG> Picture trying to cool an Athlon XP 1400 with something the size of an eraser (the rubber brick, .5" by .5" by 1" or so).
[05:49] <wweasel> DanaG: Still no offer to go to Gutsy with "gksudo 'update-manager -c -d'"
[05:50] <DanaG> Before Gutsy, it would idle at 70, and load at 85 or even 90!
[05:50] <DanaG> Now it idles at 60, thanks to dynticks.
[05:50] <Vuen> wweasel: i just did sudo sed -i 's/feisty/gutsy/' /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update and dist-upgrade... but the guides don't recommend that
[05:51] <DanaG> My hostname: amaterasu
[05:51] <Tm_T> I wonder what temp my cpu is in idle, it's always 100 % busy
[05:51] <Vuen> so try at your own risk
[05:51] <Vuen> Tm_T: how come?
[05:51] <Tm_T> Vuen: BOINC etc
[05:51] <DanaG> On my current non-crappy laptop, I run 2 instances of folding@home, niced to +19.
[05:51] <Tm_T> and compiling, ofcourse
[05:52] <Tm_T> I run World Community Grid
[05:52] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Why two instances ?
[05:52] <wweasel> Vuen: alright, screw the guides :) it's a clean install, i'm fed up with trying to backport everything from gutsy into feisty to get my brand new laptop to work. if it's gonna be unstable, i might as well have the latest and greatest
[05:52] <DanaG> 2 cores on my good laptop.
[05:52] <DanaG> But I'm sending it in for service tomorrow, and the Athlon XP laptop is the least-crappy other one we have.
[05:52] <Vuen> wweasel: alright, do you know vi? pop open /etc/apt/sources.list and do :s/feisty/gutsy/g
[05:52] <Vuen> wweasel: sorry, make that :%s/feisty/gutsy/g
[05:53] <Vuen> save, then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:53] <wweasel> Vuen: Just passed your sed command. Time to have fun, see if it works :)
[05:53] <Vuen> ah
[05:53] <Vuen> i just typed that off the top of my head, no idea if it will actually work...
[05:53] <Vuen> i recommend checking your sources.list to make sure it worked
[05:53] <Vuen> and comment out any third-party repositories (like wine, compiz, etc) before starting
[05:54] <wweasel> I did, and it did. And I commented out third parties...I've been meaning to learn how to use sed
[05:54] <Vuen> yeah, sed owns all
[05:55] <wweasel> Vuen: It's working fine. Thanks for the help
[05:56] <DanaG> Eek, the Metacity theme on the old laptop is different from the Metacity theme on my good laptop.
[05:57] <DanaG> I wonder why that is...
[05:57] <DanaG> Eek, Deskbar is no longer Deskbar.
[05:58] <DanaG> Now it's Desk-button-that-opens-a-window
[05:58] <DanaG> And doesn't go away on escape.
[05:58] <DanaG> And every time I type a letter, the window shrinks to the default size.
[05:59] <DanaG> Time to go back a few versions.
[06:00] <DanaG> How can I figure out why the Metacity theme is different
[06:00] <DanaG> ?
[06:11] <Zombie> Does anyone have a working TV out configuration for an i810?
[06:24] <CydeSwype> okay, so now that i've got nvidia happy again...my other issue is that sound isn't working
[06:24] <CydeSwype> was working fine before the kernel upgrade this morning
[06:24] <CydeSwype> any ideas?
[06:31] <CydeSwype> i think i got disconnected before my last message went through...
[06:32] <CydeSwype> my last issue is sound:  had sound yesterday, lost it with the kernel upgrade this morning
[06:33] <randy026> can someone help me
[06:33] <Jordan_U> !ask | randy026
[06:33] <ubotu> randy026: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:33] <randy026> I just updated gusty and my nvidia drivers work compiz is working but now I have no window borders at all? How can I fix this?
[06:35] <randy026> this happend to me last time I installed ubuntu to ... I really would like to switch but this crap happens lol
[06:37] <Jordan_U> randy026, Does it work if you use emerald?
[06:39] <sparr> is there a [k] ubuntu packaged kernel with CONFIGURE_TIMER_STATS enabled?
[06:41] <CydeSwype> wow...#ubuntu didn't want to answer my question about sound issue.  i know i'm on gutsy and all, but thought it was general enough that they could help
[06:42] <ertr> is there a quick and easy way to replace words in a text file from the terminal
[06:42] <ertr> let's say i want to change sourclist feisty into gutsy
[06:48] <martalli> ertr: You can use sed, but I am not sure the right command
[06:48] <Tm_T> ertr: I think some basic commandline guides has examples
[06:48] <Tm_T> !commandline
[06:48] <martalli> ertr: I assume you don't want to do it by hand with vi or nanp
[06:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about commandline - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:49] <Tm_T> !shell
[06:49] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[06:49] <martalli> I found this link: http://itmission.org/Main/UbuntuSourcesListForFeisty
[06:50] <martalli> I believe you could alter that in the obvious manner for feisty to gutsy
[06:50] <ertr> martalli: i could do it one by one with nano i was hoping for a less time consuming solution
[06:51] <SeveredCross> sudo sed -i /etc/apt/sources.list 's/feisty/gutsy/g'
[06:53] <martalli> thx SeveredCross
[06:53] <SeveredCross> You're welcome.
[06:54] <martalli> You may still need to go into the sources.list to make sure the only active repos are the archive.ubuntu ones
[06:55] <martalli> ow your update-manager -d may fail (mine did, YMMV)
[06:57] <ertr> hmmmm doesn't work for me   sed: -e expression #1, char 1: unknown command: `.'
[06:58] <martalli> Maybe try "sudo sed -e 's/feisty/gutsy/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list"
[06:59] <martalli> (backup sources.list before playing - standard warning =)
[06:59] <ertr> thanks i did martalli
[06:59] <ertr> :)
[07:00] <martalli> If I install kde4 out of sheer curiosity and excitement...it will simply be an alternative to kde3, correct?   I have no window decorations at all running compiz
[07:22] <snadge> Amaranth: whats wrong with that? :P
[07:23] <snadge> and this whole recent situation of the proprietry drivers splitting up into.. new, not so new and ancient is really annoying
[07:23] <Amaranth> thank nvidia
[07:23] <Amaranth> they keep dropping support for older cards that are still widely in use
[07:23] <Amaranth> the 100.14.11 driver hard locks the system when any OpenGL app exits
[07:24] <Amaranth> on my machine anyway
[07:24] <Amaranth> and many others
[07:24] <randy026> I've installed emerald and themes and still no window decorations
[07:25] <snadge> damn.. i think nvidia and ati should really put more effort into distro integration
[07:25] <randy026> ATI is no more lol
[07:25] <snadge> i dont think its good enough to just release a binary piece of crap.. and expect everyone to know what to do with it
[07:26] <snadge> so we have situations where people try to enable proprietry drivers.. they dont work at all, then you're left in this situation to see if you can try and bodge the drivers in there yourself.. which may, or may not work etc
[07:27] <sparr> upgrade to kernel 2.6.22-9-generic broke my wireless network ability.  Just Worked fine in 2.6.20-something (feisty) and 2.6.14-something (edgy)
[07:30] <snadge> maybe there should be a package for the 9755 nvidia driver?
[07:30] <snadge> if many people have issues with the newer one
[07:33] <randy026> so no one has every had this problem?
[07:34] <Xemanth> how do i do dist upgrade from feisty to gutsy? Is there wiki for it ?
[07:35] <Xemanth> snadge: what problem ?
[07:35] <SeveredCross> No window decorations.
[07:35] <SeveredCross> Run emerald --replace from a commandline
[07:35] <Xemanth> i've had that problem too, i fixed it... but i don't remember what I did
[07:36] <snadge> Xemanth: amaranth was mentioning that OpenGL apps cause X to freeze when exiting?
[07:36] <snadge> hard locks system even
[07:36] <Xemanth> snadge: nvidia binary driver ?
[07:37] <randy026> SeveredCross, I've already done that
[07:37] <martalli> Xemanth: To upgrade from feisty to gutsy, run update-manager -d from the command line
[07:37] <Xemanth> martalli: do i need to change sources.list feisty stuff to gutsy ?
[07:37] <SeveredCross> randy026: And? Any error messages?
[07:37] <randy026> Nope
[07:38] <martalli> I think it will do that itself....You should comment out any repos that are not *archive.ubuntu*
[07:38] <martalli> Even the canonical commercial distro
[07:38] <randy026> SeveredCross,  it just sits there waiting for me to kill it with no changes what so ever
[07:38] <martalli> (of course you should also comment out the repo which must not be named ... if anyone is still using it)
[07:39] <SeveredCross> Weird.
[07:39] <randy026> Yes it is... I didint have emerald installed before when this started though...
[07:40] <randy026> Then I installed it.. still didnt work so then I installed the themes still didnt work
[07:43] <snadge> Xemanth: yes.. 100.14.11
[07:47] <Ayabara> any of you have acrobat reader working in gutsy?
[07:48] <SeveredCross> Yep.
[07:48] <SeveredCross> Actually, no,I lied.
[07:48] <SeveredCross> Not installed, never needed it.
[07:49] <Ayabara> SeveredCross: what do you use? I've tried getting used to Evince, but it's just not my cup of tea
[07:50] <SeveredCross> I just use Evince. ::shrugs::
[07:54] <Xemanth> snadge: i haven't had any problems with it
[07:54] <Xemanth> snadge: at least with ioquake3
[08:17] <Ayabara> anyone else using acroread instead of evince?
[08:37] <atlas95> salut
[08:40] <iblicf_> hi guys ,,how to deal with "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" when i use "dist-upgrade" ?
[08:43] <Xemanth> iblicf_: try sudo apt-get -f install
[08:44] <iblicf_> Xemanth, ..okay ,thx ,i 'll try it
[08:45] <Zombie> Does anyone have a working TV out configuration for an i810?
[09:00] <DSpair> Morning all...
[09:00] <DSpair> Can anyone offer advice on using displayconfig-gtk to get Multi-Head working under Gutsy?
[09:18] <praecox> hey guys
[09:18] <praecox> I'm using Kubuntu Gutsy
[09:19] <praecox> I have nVidia GeForce 5700 and after my last software upgrade and reboot
[09:20] <praecox> Xorg doesn't start properly, log says Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module.
[09:20] <praecox> but everything worked just fine before I did upgrade.
[09:20] <pvandewyngaerde> what kernel ?
[09:20] <pvandewyngaerde> (uname -a)
[09:21] <praecox> nothing has changed in configuration since last upgrade.
[09:21] <praecox> it's 2.6.22-9-generic
[09:21] <praecox> it's distributed kernel with Kubuntu Gutsy.
[09:21] <praecox> lsmod says nvidia module is loaded...
[09:22] <RAOF> this is odd, since the new kernel is .22-10-generic :)
[09:22] <RAOF> praecox: You're possibly running the nvidia-glx-new drivers?
[09:22] <praecox> RAOF, well, I had some troubles during prior upgrades with that kernel and aptitude suggested removing it as it caused some conflicts there.
[09:23] <praecox> RAOF, yes, exactly.
[09:23] <RAOF> Ba baw!  New version, and the kernel module is only found in l-r-m...-10 :)
[09:23] <praecox> RAOF, I can try to install new kernel, maybe dependency problems are now fixed.
[09:23] <RAOF> They are for me.
[09:24] <praecox> all right then, what package for -10-generic should I try to install then?
[09:24] <RAOF> linux-generic
[09:24] <praecox> linux-image-2.6.22-10-generic?
[09:25] <RAOF> linux-generic.  That package should pull in all the appropiate fandangles
[09:25] <praecox> any restricted ones?
[09:25] <RAOF> Yes, it'll pull in those too.
[09:25] <praecox> oh, right. got it.
[09:25] <praecox> thanks. let's wait till installation is complete.
[09:27] <praecox> all right, got it. reboot.
[09:28] <RAOF> :)
[09:31] <praecox> kk, after reboot everything came back to normal. cheers guys.
[09:31] <praecox> RAOF, thanks.
[09:32] <masterloki> is hplib broken in gusty
[09:37] <praecox> is there any way I can run Xinerama in XGL?
[09:37] <dariuskane> evening folks... just finished a gutsy install and the new device mapper isnt very descriptive... my fstab is full of /dev/dm-0 ... /dev/dm-5 references with no clue as to which partition or drives those belong to... anyway to find out?
[09:37] <praecox> (as Composite doesn't run properly in Gutsy under KDE/Xorg)
[09:38] <RAOF> praecox: ????  Really?
[09:39] <RAOF> praecox: What's composite-broken with the nvidia drivers?
[09:40] <praecox> RAOF, I have no clue, but it simply doesn't work. after running compiz --replace titlebars disappear for a moment, after that everything comes back to normal and he says compiz crashed.
[09:40] <masterloki> Have some problems with my printer is ther anyone that can help me or gudie me though what I need to do to get it working again
[09:41] <praecox> RAOF, I've got lots of X Error: RenderBadPicture (invalid Picture parameter) 181
[09:42] <praecox> RAOF, odd thing is compiz --replace ran from terminal keeps running, but no effects are available. I mean titlebars comes back to normal, application doesn't stop but nothing happens/works.
[09:42] <RAOF> praecox: By "nothing works' what do you mean?  Wobbly windows *aren't* enabled by default.
[09:43] <Amaranth> praecox: if compiz fails to start it load metacity
[09:43] <Amaranth> the 'compiz' you're running is actually a shell script
[09:43] <praecox> RAOF, even if they're enabled, nothing happens.
[09:43] <Amaranth> it does some system checks, tries to start the real compiz, and loads metacity as a fallback
[09:43] <Amaranth> so you're getting metacity, not compiz
[09:44] <praecox> Amaranth, good point. so that's what happened here.
[09:44] <shirish> RAOF: how do I do xrandr , my screen is too large & I can't get the drop-down menu
[09:44] <praecox> Amaranth, anyway, compiz shell script keeps running.
[09:44] <praecox> Amaranth, any ideas what can be done to run it successfully?
[09:45] <Amaranth> if you're getting that error trying to start it, no
[09:45] <praecox> Amaranth, I have already run compiz properly in XGL, but want it in my normal, daily environment. (as I can't get XGL to work with Xinerama)
[09:45] <praecox> Amaranth, is it a bug? should I fill in some forms?
[09:45] <Amaranth> nvidia?
[09:46] <praecox> yes, nvidia.
[09:46] <Amaranth> i wouldn't bother
[09:46] <shirish> Amaranth: I want to have a bigger resolution, how can I do that, its an i845 GE/GV chipset . I used Display to change resolutions but can't see the menu now
[09:46] <praecox> GeForce 5700 in exact.
[09:46] <praecox> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[09:46] <Amaranth> if you file a bug against compiz i'll move it to nvidia and it'll sit there forever since no one except nvidia can work on it
[09:46] <praecox> it's after my last X Error: RenderBadPicture (invalid Picture parameter) 181 entry.
[09:46] <Amaranth> shirish: can't see what menu?
[09:47] <Amaranth> praecox: sign up for the nvnews forums and complain in there
[09:47] <RAOF> praecox: Another option may be to use the nvidia-glx, rather than nvidia-glx-new package.
[09:47] <leo_rockw> hello everyone
[09:47] <Amaranth> oh
[09:47] <Amaranth> wait
[09:47] <Amaranth> i know
[09:47] <Amaranth> praecox: sudo vim /usr/bin/compiz
[09:47] <praecox> RAOF, I believe I have already tried it some day as Amaranth has advised.
[09:47] <RAOF> praecox: You'd need to manually remove the /lib/linux-restricted-modules/.nvidia_new_installed file.
[09:47] <Amaranth> praecox: change INDIRECT=1 to INDIRECT=0
[09:47] <Ayabara> I dist-upgraded and rebooted now, and my networking didn't come up properly by itself
[09:48] <Ayabara> had to do a "/etc/init.d/networking restart" for things to work
[09:48] <praecox> Amaranth, ok, changed it. anything else?
[09:48] <Amaranth> try to start compiz again
[09:48] <praecox> Amaranth, ok.
[09:49] <dariuskane> evening folks... just finished a gutsy install and the new device mapper isnt very descriptive... my fstab is full of /dev/dm-0 ... /dev/dm-5 references with no clue as to which partition or drives those belong to... anyway to find out?
[09:49] <RAOF> Amaranth: So, if --indirect-rendering now segfaults, how do we work around the BWB?
[09:49] <Amaranth> RAOF: you don't
[09:49] <Amaranth> that's not a good workaround anyway
[09:49] <RAOF> Amaranth: Spectacular!
[09:49] <Amaranth> it only helps a few people
[09:49] <Amaranth> for everyone else it just messes things up
[09:50] <Amaranth> can't use vsync, can't use mipmap
[09:50] <praecox> Amaranth, I restarted X, just in case, and ran compiz --replace from terminal. same god damn thing:
[09:50] <praecox> X Error: RenderBadPicture (invalid Picture parameter) 181 Major opcode:  157 Minor opcode:  8 Resource id:  0x1e00089
[09:50] <praecox> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[09:50] <RAOF> Compiz segfaults when selecting Gaussian blur...
[09:50] <Amaranth> praecox: nvnews it is
[09:50] <praecox> (it's last entry)
[09:51] <praecox> Amaranth, so there is no other help for me?
[09:51] <praecox> ok, let me check nvnews...
[09:51] <Amaranth> or just use nvidia-glx
[09:51] <Amaranth> the 100.14.11 driver _SUCKS_
[09:52] <leo_rockw> after upgrading the kernel i have some sound issues. i plug in my headphone and the speakers keep working, anyone else with this problem?
[09:52] <Amaranth> unless you have a geforce 8xxx it's not worth using
[09:52] <RAOF> Why expect nvidia to fix their bugs?
[09:52] <MonkeyFit> and if you do have an 8xxx series, is there anything better?
[09:52] <RAOF> MonkeyFit: No, you're stuck with it.
[09:52] <Amaranth> MonkeyFit: Buy intel
[09:52] <RAOF> That too.
[09:53] <praecox> Amaranth, well, I remind I have already tried it with no results.
[09:53] <RAOF> Intel are apparently soon to release some standalone graphics cards that don't suck at gaming.
[09:53] <praecox> Amaranth, you advised me to check nvidia-glx iirc.
[09:53] <MonkeyFit> RAOF: do you have a source for this information
[09:54] <RAOF> MonkeyFit: Uuum, a half-remembered arstechnica article
[09:54] <Amaranth> praecox: wasn't me
[09:54] <Amaranth> RAOF: that's a couple years away
[09:54] <RAOF> Amaranth: Just in time for my next laptop, then :)
[09:55] <Amaranth> for what i do the x3100 is perfect
[09:55] <Assid> heya
[09:55] <praecox> Amaranth, I'm pretty sure it was you and/or RAOF. we have spoken about it few weeks ago, while I was right after Gutsy installation and couldn't get Compiz to work.
[09:55] <Assid> anyone here using a samba pdc?
[09:56] <Assid> x3100 ? isnt that the intel graphics chipset which is shipped with most dell lappy?
[09:56] <praecox> Amaranth, and you also adviced me trying Xgl which worked for me but couldn't manage Xinerama to work with it.
[09:56] <DSpair> Assid: Yes, but not on Gutsy
[09:56] <Assid> DSpair: wouldnt matter.. the setup should be the same
[09:56] <Amaranth> praecox: oh, yeah
[09:57] <Amaranth> praecox: I think we came to the conclusion that you just couldn't use compiz
[09:57] <Assid> DSpair: im having major issues getting the users to authenticate and having the workstatiosn joing the pdc
[09:57] <DSpair> Assid: What are you using for your backend?
[09:57] <Assid> it just wont join
[09:57] <RAOF> How is that possible?  Why are nvidia's drivers broken for a recent, but not too recent, card?
[09:57] <praecox> Amaranth, that's why I come back here. just thought maybe some gutsy upgrades since then might have helped me with it. unfortunately I was wrong.
[09:58] <praecox> Amaranth, yeah, exactly. only with Xgl. but please, tell me what's the real reason why I can't use compiz?
[09:58] <praecox> Amaranth, I mean, as it works in Xgl, is it a bug in KDE/Xorg or what?
[09:58] <Amaranth> praecox: nvidia is sucking big time
[09:58] <Assid> DSpair: im open for suggestions.. smbpasswd ok?
[09:58] <Amaranth> praecox: when you use Xgl all nvidia has to do right is OpenGL
[09:58] <DSpair> Assid: That's probably the easiest.
[09:58] <Assid> or should i use tdbsam
[09:59] <DSpair> Assid: It's been a while, so bear with me.
[09:59] <Amaranth> praecox: when you don't they have to do OpenGL, Composite, Render, and texture_from_pixmap correctly
[09:59] <RAOF> praecox: You can try to resurrect the xinerama patch to Xgl.  We dropped it a while back because the packager didn't know how to fix it.
[09:59] <DSpair> Have you turned up debugging to 99 in the smb.conf file?
[09:59] <Amaranth> RAOF: jdong said he couldn't get it to apply because it was already applied but in a different way
[09:59] <RAOF> Amaranth: Oh, so xinerama+Xgl may work?
[10:00] <Amaranth> RAOF: according to praecox no
[10:00] <DSpair> Assid: Usually, the answer to these problems is screaming at you in the logs.
[10:00] <praecox> Amaranth, well, I'm not authority here, but I just couldn't manage it to work.
[10:00] <Amaranth> in think in seville when we were discussing using Xgl we had decided that dual monitors are a small enough group to ignore wrt to bling and sane user switching
[10:01] <Amaranth> in the short term, anyway
[10:01] <DSpair> Has anyone had any luck with getting an Intel i945 working with Compiz and Xinerama/Xrandr?
[10:01] <coNP> No sound today -- is it known?
[10:01] <Amaranth> coNP: turn your 'headphones' up
[10:02] <coNP> No sound card at all :(
[10:02] <Amaranth> coNP: install linux-ubuntu-modules
[10:02] <coNP> With yesterday's kernel.
[10:02] <praecox> Amaranth, oh gee, so not only I'm unlucky guy who can't get Compiz working under my Xorg/KDE, but I'm also damn unlucky cause can't manage Xinerama to work with Xgl?!
[10:03] <coNP> Thanks Amaranth
[10:03] <coNP> I hope this helps
[10:03] <Amaranth> coNP: How did you not have that installed?
[10:03] <RAOF> praecox: So, according to the xorg mailinglist, you should be able to do TwinView + Xgl fine, right?
[10:04] <coNP> Feisty box and dist-upgrade, dist-upgrade
[10:04] <Amaranth> this is what you should keep linux-generic installed :)
[10:04] <Assid> DSpair: username could not be found
[10:04] <praecox> RAOF, yep, I've got it working fine.
[10:04] <Amaranth> coNP: snd_hda_intel moved to linux-ubuntu-modules
[10:04] <coNP> Amaranth: I guess no linux-generic for me
[10:04] <coNP> I install it now
[10:04] <RAOF> Amaranth: And broke my sound, but that's a different story :/
[10:04] <praecox> RAOF, but it's a bit confusing when my windows maximize to two monitors. that's why I do prefer Xinerama.
[10:04] <RAOF> praecox: So, that leaves gnome-panel spread across both screens, yes?
[10:05] <RAOF> praecox: Yeah.  Hm.
[10:05] <RAOF> praecox: You know, you could teach compiz about your displays I think.
[10:05] <Amaranth> RAOF: no xinerama hints
[10:05] <praecox> RAOF, exactly. except the gnome part, I'm using Kubuntu. ;)
[10:05] <RAOF> praecox: check out the "outputs", under general options.
[10:05] <Amaranth> hey, that could work
[10:05] <RAOF> praecox: I'm not totally sure whether or not that will work, but it's worth a try :)
[10:06] <praecox> RAOF, but I already see this will be pain in the ass...
[10:06] <RAOF> praecox: Only once :)
[10:06] <leo_rockw> using kernel 2.6.22-10. when i plug in my headphones the speakers keep working, is there anyone else with this problem?
[10:07] <RAOF> You'd just add your two screen geometries to that list, and uncheck "detect outputs"
[10:07] <atlas95> leo_rockw: i have problem too
[10:07] <atlas95> whit intel-hda, i have only headphone working
[10:07] <atlas95> my speakers don't work since the upgrade
[10:08] <praecox> RAOF, hm, sounds good. let me try this.
[10:08] <leo_rockw> atlas95, i knew you did lol. i wanted to know if we were the only two people
[10:08] <atlas95> leo_rockw: this is not really the same problem but here is a problem with sound and the last kernel...
[10:08] <leo_rockw> atlas95, i was going to file a bug report
[10:08] <Amaranth> snd_hda_intel just got updated
[10:08] <atlas95> i have do one but do an other
[10:08] <atlas95> i'm not very good iin egnlsih for explain
[10:08] <Amaranth> people with sigmatel chips got screwed, from the sound of it
[10:09] <leo_rockw> that's me lol
[10:09] <atlas95> leo_rockw: you have a intel audio too?
[10:09] <leo_rockw> HDA sigmatel
[10:09] <atlas95> ok
[10:09] <Amaranth> i've got conexant
[10:09] <Amaranth> so i got no issues
[10:09] <leo_rockw> i found your bug report atlas95 and left a comment there
[10:09] <Assid> DSpair: doesnt help :(
[10:09] <atlas95> leo_rockw: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[10:10] <Amaranth> atlas95: no
[10:10] <leo_rockw> i'm using the older kernel now
[10:10] <RAOF> praecox: Heh.  I've just tried it on mine.  It works :)
[10:11] <RAOF> praecox: Well, kinda.
[10:11] <leo_rockw> atlas95, our problems are not exactly the same so i wanted to make sure what happened to me wasn't only on my end
[10:11] <Amaranth> atlas95: lspci -v -s 00:1b.0
[10:11] <Amaranth> atlas95: the Subsystem line is the important one
[10:12] <leo_rockw> Amaranth, that was me on the bug report
[10:12] <atlas95> leo_rockw: we are not alone :)
[10:12] <leo_rockw> Amaranth, i'll add that to my comment then
[10:12] <RAOF> Wow.  ccsm really doesn't like running on a 640x480 output.
[10:12] <atlas95> hmm Amaranth
[10:12] <atlas95> i pastebin the result?
[10:13] <Amaranth> it's one line
[10:13] <atlas95> Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Unknown device 309f
[10:13] <leo_rockw> mine says Dell Unknown device 01cd
[10:13] <Amaranth>         Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Unknown device 30a5
[10:13] <Amaranth> heh
[10:13] <atlas95> HP rox!
[10:13] <atlas95> :p
[10:13] <Amaranth> well, we know me and atlas95 don't match
[10:13] <Amaranth> atlas95: you got a dv6000?
[10:13] <atlas95> no
[10:14] <atlas95> a Nx9420
[10:14] <Amaranth> ah, the business ones
[10:14] <Amaranth> 17" widescreen ftw
[10:14] <atlas95> yes
[10:15] <leo_rockw> my lappy is 17 wide... it's awesome haha
[10:15] <atlas95> what meen"ftw" please?
[10:15] <leo_rockw> For The Win
[10:15] <Amaranth> For The Win
[10:15] <atlas95> ha ok
[10:15] <Amaranth> means 'awesome'
[10:15] <atlas95> ok i understand
[10:15] <atlas95> english expression i hope :p
[10:16] <atlas95> it is a good laptop but i want to change it
[10:16] <atlas95> for have a nvidia card :( and more little
[10:16] <atlas95> i would like a sony viao sz6
[10:16] <atlas95> but $$$$$
[10:17] <atlas95> so, we wait FTS
[10:17] <Amaranth> i wanted a dell
[10:17] <Amaranth> but they took away the one i wanted
[10:18] <Amaranth> 15" widescreen running Ubuntu with free upgrade to 2GB RAM and 160GB HD
[10:18] <atlas95> yes or a dell, friend have it under ubuntu, it is excelent
[10:18] <praecox> RAOF, yea, it's kinda working...
[10:18] <atlas95> RAOF=?
[10:19] <atlas95> of sorry,it is a nickname :p
[10:19] <ggilbert> ok, compiz-fusion is evil. I will get nothing done tonight if I keep playing with the dodge animation.
[10:19] <leo_rockw> i'm using a dell and it works pretty well
[10:19] <praecox> RAOF, but I still doesn't get it, why do I have 16 screens in pager, in dock?
[10:19] <Amaranth> praecox: KDE?
[10:19] <praecox> RAOF, I've got only 4 Desktops configured.
[10:19] <RAOF> praecox: Ha!  That's bekause the kde pager sucks :)
[10:19] <praecox> Amaranth, yep, KDE, Xgl.
[10:19] <Amaranth> praecox: Use GNOME. :)
[10:20] <Amaranth> KDE's stuff doesn't support viewports
[10:20] <praecox> I used to KDE, I've got Gnome at home.
[10:21] <atlas95> hmmm, i want to suggest on script for gusty and fglrx
[10:21] <atlas95> howto do?
[10:21] <praecox> anyway, back to Xorg, Xgl on Gutsy seems to be unstable.
[10:21] <atlas95> it is a script for switch between, laptop screen, dual screen, or only external screen
[10:22] <Amaranth> praecox: rock solid for me
[10:22] <Amaranth> much better than straight nvidia, obviously :)
[10:22] <RAOF> praecox: Me too.  What do you see on the crash front?
[10:22] <leo_rockw> everybody have a good day/night... i have to go now
[10:22] <Assid> hehe
[10:23] <praecox> Amaranth, well, some graphic issues, in example problems with shadows in KDE menu.
[10:23] <Assid> ggilbert: disable dodge.. use fade.. and be happy
[10:23] <Assid> i still cant get the damn osx type desktop
[10:23] <Amaranth> praecox: KDE again :P
[10:23] <Assid> also.. i cant get this pdc to work
[10:23] <RAOF> praecox: Will you be here in 15min or so?  I'm going home, but I'd like to hear any Xgl related wierdness.
[10:24] <Amaranth> Assid: http://www.realistanew.com/random/desktop20070723.png <--this?
[10:24] <praecox> RAOF, right before switching back to Xorg it simply 'closed' all my windows, hide wallpaper and like backed to startup screen with no reason. no error, no warnings. couldn't do anything. I had to force ctrl-alt-backspace.
[10:25] <Assid> Amaranth: slow connection.. hold up
[10:25] <Amaranth> big image
[10:25] <Amaranth> if you're only dialup that'll take like 5 minutes to load
[10:25] <Assid> Amaranth: yep thats the one.. or something similar to that..
[10:26] <Amaranth> Assid: it crashed 5 times on my trying to take that screenshot
[10:26] <Assid> ahaha
[10:26] <Amaranth> very unstable
[10:26] <Amaranth> got rid of it all
[10:26] <praecox> and the weird thing - but probably also connected with KDE - all icons which normally appear in dock in KDE, like KWallet, Adept Notifier etc. after switching to compiz appears in top-left corner of screen.
[10:26] <Assid> awn ?
[10:26] <Amaranth> i had to halfway rewrite the GTK+ patch to do the menus
[10:26] <Amaranth> awn is the dock
[10:26] <praecox> RAOF, yea, I can stay, will repaste it to you on request.
[10:26] <Amaranth> it is solid as a rock
[10:26] <Assid> i cant get awn to work...
[10:27] <Amaranth> praecox: also a KDE issue
[10:27] <Amaranth> KDE is really broken
[10:27] <Amaranth> compiz exposes its flaws and misimplementations
[10:28] <praecox> or it's just not prepared for compiz...
[10:29] <Assid> sostupid pdc
[10:29] <Assid> i give up.. maybe play with it when i have more free time
[10:30] <praecox> does it make any sense to switch from KDE to Gnome on Kubuntu?
[10:32] <jscinoz> hey guys, after the most recent kernel update, i have no sound, could someone walk through diagnosing and fixing the problem with me?
[10:33] <Eq|work> jscinoz : what sound chipset?
[10:34] <praecox> jscinoz, install linux-ubuntu-modules.
[10:49] <jscinoz> its an intel onboard
[10:49] <jscinoz> i had it working before by specifing the 3stack module in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[10:50] <jscinoz> praecox, already installed at latest ver
[10:51] <jscinoz> I'll be back in 20 mins, dinner
[10:51] <praecox> jscinoz, have you got linux-generic package installed on your system?
[11:11] <atlas95> anybody could say me how t odo too have a notify-send action when a download with transmission is finish?
[11:12] <atlas95> deluge-torrent have a plugin which do that but i don't want to use it
[11:12] <atlas95> i would like to add this function or tweak..
[11:12] <Eq|work> jscinoz : santa rosa?
[11:13] <Eq|work> atlas95 : ask the transmission people?
[11:13] <atlas95> they don't answer me :(
[11:15] <Eq|work> well, it isn't really a ubuntu issue..
[11:15] <Eq|work> it sounds to me like you'd need to make code changes to transmission
[11:18] <RAOF> praecox: Hm.  I've never seen that before.  If you see it again, please file a bug :)
[11:19] <praecox> RAOF, you mean disappearing windows and 'reverting' state to loading screen?
[11:19] <praecox> RAOF, I've seen it few times.
[11:19] <praecox> RAOF, but can't reproduce it in any way, so I'm not sure if it's worth fileing.
[11:19] <praecox> ;)
[11:22] <__filip_> What is the easiest way to install compiz fusion on kubuntu?
[11:22] <RAOF> praecox: Hm.  Maybe next time that happens you could check ~/.xsession-errors?
[11:22] <jscinoz> Eq|work, yes
[11:22] <praecox> __filip_, there isn't one with Xorg, I'm affraid.
[11:23] <praecox> __filip_, at least with nVidia chipset.
[11:23] <praecox> RAOF, sure, will do.
[11:24] <__filip_> huh, is there anyone in here that have installed compiz?
[11:24] <Eq|work> jscinoz : did you make any changes to your alsa modprobe stuff before?
[11:24] <Eq|work> __filip_ : compiz is installed by default in gutsy
[11:24] <Eq|work> you don't do anything extra
[11:25] <__filip_> Eq|work:  :S I dont have it installed..
[11:25] <praecox> __filip_, I have. but it doesn't work on my chipset under Xorg, only Xgl.
[11:25] <Eq|work> __filip_ : how did you install?
[11:26] <__filip_> I did a freash install from gusty tribe 4.
[11:26] <Eq|work> gui or alt?
[11:27] <__filip_> gui
[11:29] <Eq|work> hm
[11:30] <__filip_> is did this "sudo apt-get install compiz compiz-kde compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-fusion-plugins-extra  libcompizconfig-backend-gconf emerald" then "compiz --replace" Now it i thing it works, but i dont got any borders or what it is called..where you can minimize quit etc
[11:31] <praecox> same problem as I have.
[11:31] <praecox> __filip_, what graphic card?
[11:32] <__filip_> nvidia 7300 gs i thing
[11:32] <praecox> so you probably won't be able to run compiz under Xorg.
[11:33] <__filip_> But where do i choose theme?
[11:36] <__filip_> or how have you done praecox
[11:37] <praecox> __filip_, you can try installing Xgl and running compiz there, worked for me.
[11:38] <__filip_> ok, i will try
[11:42] <jscinoz> eq|work, only change i've made was adding the line "options snd-hda-intel model=3stack" and it was working before the last kernel update
[11:45] <Eq|work> jscinoz : check it's still there.
[11:45] <__filip_> praecox: I have installed xserver-xgl now but i cant ghoose xgl or something else but kde when i log in, gues i need to add som something to some file. I remember i did this when tried to install compiz on breezy..
[11:45] <jscinoz> eq|work, it is
[11:46] <praecox> !xgl
[11:46] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:46] <praecox> !xgl >> __filip_
[11:47] <praecox> !xgl > __filip_
[11:47] <praecox> however
[11:47] <praecox> ;)
[11:50] <Eq|work> jscinoz : try turning it off?
[11:51] <jscinoz> already tried
[11:51] <jscinoz> still no sound
[11:51] <Eq|work> hrm. mine appears to be working since the update. not actually tried it yet though
[11:51] <jscinoz> What laptop are you using?
[11:53] <Eq|work> it's a santa rosa one.. dell d630
[11:53] <Eq|work> with sigmatel chipset for the audio
[11:53] <jscinoz> im using an XPS m1330
[11:53] <Eq|work> hm.. no actual sound though
[11:54] <__filip_> It worked praecox =)
[11:54] <__filip_> But when i have logged in all get withe so i did alt+f2 and typed compiz --replace and now it works
[11:55] <__filip_> is there a way to do this every time i log in?
[11:56] <praecox> yep, you can add compiz line in Autostart I think.
[11:57] <__filip_> okey
[11:57] <jscinoz> Eq, any ideas?
[11:59] <Eq|work> not really.
[12:01] <jscinoz> >_<
[12:04] <Jordan_U> jscinoz, What is the problem?
[12:04] <jscinoz> No sound since the last kernel update
[12:04] <Jordan_U> jscinoz, What is the output of "asoundconf list" ?
[12:05] <jscinoz> Intel
[12:05] <Jordan_U> jscinoz, Probably won't do anything but try "asoundconf set-default-card Intel"
[12:06] <jscinoz> no good
[12:08] <Eq|work> it's closer to working for me now.. but still no cigar..
[12:21] <Ayabara> Hey. anyone using KDE 4 in Gutsy?
[12:32] <kalman> hi all
[12:33] <kalman> my headphone doesn't exclude anymore the external laptop speakers :(
[12:33] <kalman> and in the Kmixer it seems that speaker control and headphone controll interact each other
[12:44] <rents> hi, anyone got experiences with gutsy+beryl?
[12:44] <Xemanth> rents: lemme guess you have nvidia gfx card and your window deco doesn
[12:44] <Xemanth> doesn't work
[12:45] <rents> i just finished burning my iso and i have ati radeon
[12:45] <Xemanth> haha ati :D
[12:45] <rents> :P
[12:45] <Jordan_U> rents, There is really no reason to use Beryl with Gutsy, beryl is no longer being developed
[12:46] <Xemanth> rents: compiz fusion
[12:46] <Xemanth> rents: if you plan to use ati's proprietary driver fglrx, no usable compiz fusion/beryl for you
[12:46] <Xemanth> with open source driver slight chance :)
[12:47] <rents> hmm
[12:48] <Jordan_U> rents, Basically, if Compiz Fusion doesn't start automatically when you boot the LiveCD, you are probably going to need to set up XGL, which is a hack
[12:48] <rents> well, in feisty my beryl run very well with ati
[12:49] <Jordan_U> rents, Then your card is probably supported by the open source drivers, if so you shouldn't need to do anything in Gutsy
[12:50] <Jordan_U> rents, Do you know about dpkg and dependencies?
[12:50] <rents> not yet :P
[12:50] <Jordan_U> rents, See the topic...
[12:50] <rents> yea, read it
[12:50] <rents> i *think* i can handle it :P
[12:51] <rents> if not, i'll give google a try
[12:52] <rents> what about gutsy and vista dualboot?
[12:53] <rents> any improvements in gutsy?
[12:55] <Jordan_U> rents, What is there to improve upon ?
[12:55] <Xemanth> more important question should be, any improvements in Vista compared to XP :D
[12:55] <rents> i don't know really, maybe better support for vista's bootloader or something
[12:56] <Xemanth> nada improvements
[12:56] <rents> hehe
[12:56] <Jordan_U> rents, Grub lets Vista boot, I'm not sure what more there is that it could do :)
[12:57] <rents> oh
[12:57] <Assid> hrmm.. something in the timer or scheduler seems off in the this kernel image
[12:57] <Assid> like if i leave the machine idle for a while.. and come to use it.. its pretty sluggish
[12:57] <rents> ok, i'll try now
[12:57] <rents> bye for now and thanks
[12:58] <Assid> another thing is the nvidia-glx.. or X or something.. its kinda slow compared to what it was befroe the latest updates
[12:58] <Assid> if any developer does see this.. please do check this
[01:00] <Jordan_U> Assid, The only way to get a developer to see it is with a bug report, though I can see how that would be awkward since you can't pinpoint the problem
[01:00] <Assid> exactly :(
[01:01] <Assid> hence im trying to request someone to look into it..  im sure there are some developers/ users who have way more experienve than i dop
[01:01] <Assid> do
[01:02] <Assid> tahts why i said it could be the scheduler .. or nvidia-glx or x or something cause it only happened aftert the latest update which had these
[01:03] <Assid> the ui is less responsive.. sluggish.. sometimes hangs for a few seconds.. maybe 10 seconds too
[01:04] <Assid> with/without compiz as well
[01:05] <Assid> and oh yeah.. katapult.. i can never get it to work right
[01:05] <Assid> 1 day it works,.. 1 day it doesn
[01:05] <AnRkey> woohoo it's tribe 5 day
[01:06] <Assid> how soon before packages start upstreaming?
[01:06] <Eq|work> Assid : roll back to the previous kernel
[01:06] <Eq|work> see what happens
[01:07] <Assid> not sure how
[01:07] <Eq|work> did you remove the old one?
[01:07] <Eq|work> if not, then just reboot and choose it in grub
[01:07] <Assid> dunno.. adept did it
[01:08] <Assid> yep.. 22.9 is there.. i will boot there and play with it
[01:08] <Assid> first i gotta run to the lawyer
[01:08] <Assid> i still have my doubts on nvidia-glx tho
[01:09] <Assid> cause yday .. i saw cpu usage of X go between 30-50% constant
[01:10] <Assid> bbiab
[01:12] <Xemanth> http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2007/08/h_dot_two_sixty_four.html
[01:12] <Xemanth> woot new linux flash player :D
[01:50] <soc_> hi, i get the error "E: openoffice.org-reportdesigner: subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" if i want to remove openoffice.org-reportdesigner
[01:50] <soc_> how can i fix that?
[01:52] <soc_> ubuntuusers.de/paste/14081
[01:52] <soc_> www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/14081
[02:00] <tehk> Anyone know how new/complete kde4 in the gutsy repos is atm?
[02:01] <Eq|work> soc_ : it seems to think it isn't installed.. apt-get install --reinstall openoffice.org-reportdesigner
[02:01] <Eq|work> then try and remove it
[02:01] <Eq|work> tehk : no idea.
[02:03] <Eq|work> hrm.. think it's about time to get lunch..
[02:03] <Eq|work> not sure there are enough people here for me to do so though..
[02:04] <soc_> Eq|work: sory, didn't see you
[02:05] <soc_> no
[02:05] <soc_> doesn't work
[02:05] <soc_> same error
[02:05] <soc_> it seems i'm stuck
[02:06] <soc_> i can't reinstall it, i can't remove it ...
[02:06] <AnRkey> Xemanth, that looks really nice, finally we have decent flash movie capabilities.
[02:07] <Eq|work> soc_ : dpkg --purge --force-all openoffice.org-reportdesigner
[02:07] <AnRkey> soc_, have you tried removing it with --purge first and then installing it again?
[02:08] <AnRkey> snap
[02:08] <Eq|work> AnRkey : he only wants to remove it.
[02:08] <Eq|work> but the removal process seems a bit broken
[02:08] <Eq|work> for reference - --force-all is NOT something you should use generally.
[02:08] <soc_> AnRkey: can't remember
[02:08] <Eq|work> it can result in a _VERY_ broken system
[02:08] <soc_> is possible though ...
[02:08] <AnRkey> is tribe 5 gonna be late you think?, lots going on here today
[02:09] <soc_> so what should i do now?
[02:09] <Eq|work> afaik the tribe releases are just snapshots..
[02:09] <AnRkey> what does openoffice do that breaks X?
[02:09] <Eq|work> soc_: see what i said above.
[02:09] <Eq|work> err.. nothing?
[02:09] <soc_> ok
[02:09] <soc_> lol
[02:10] <soc_> so should i try dpkg --purge --force-all?
[02:10] <Xemanth> AnRkey: yeah
[02:10] <Eq|work> soc_ : yes. with the package name
[02:10] <soc_> ok
[02:11] <Hobbsee> i've never used --force-all, come to think of it
[02:11] <soc_> Eq|work: openoffice seems to be quite slow in overall development ...
[02:11] <Hobbsee> yes, but openoffice is a huge monolithic blob...
[02:12] <AnRkey> Xemanth, we just need them to give us photoshop now :D
[02:13] <soc_> Hobbsee: how could they solve that, iyo?
[02:13] <soc_> no, doesn't work!
[02:13] <Hobbsee> soc_: rewrite it differently, i guess
[02:13] <soc_> mh ok...
[02:13] <soc_> sounds bad ...
[02:13] <soc_> but if you look at it ...
[02:14] <soc_> c++, python, these weird uno-things, java, ...
[02:14] <Eq|work> they could solve it by throwing it away.
[02:14] <Eq|work> tbh
[02:14] <soc_> dpkg --purge --force-all openoffice.org-reportdesigner <-- doesn't work ....
[02:14] <Eq|work> it's a huge mess.
[02:14] <Eq|work> ok
[02:14] <Eq|work> i think you're going to have to edit the prerm script
[02:14] <Eq|work> should be in /var/lib/dpkg/info
[02:14] <soc_> but there's nothing equal or better at this time?
[02:15] <Eq|work> specifically, said script /should/ be /var/lib/dpkg/info/openoffice.org-reportdesigner.prerm
[02:15] <Eq|work> i find abiword and gnumeric pretty damned good tbh
[02:15] <Eq|work> and i don't really need anything beyond that.
[02:17] <soc_> ok
[02:17] <soc_> found that file
[02:17] <soc_> Eq|work: how good is there odf-support?
[02:17] <soc_> there are no results of the odf-testsuite published as far as i know
[02:18] <soc_> but currently things seem quite bad sometimes between oo <->koffice <->gofice
[02:21] <soc_> www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/14083
[02:22] <soc_> that seems the problem
[02:22] <soc_> what should i do?
[02:22] <soc_> btw: is abiword developed anymore?
[02:23] <Eq|work> i think so.
[02:23] <Eq|work> and no idea about odf support.
[02:24] <Eq|work> soc_ : find that bit in the prerm (or postrm) file, and remove it.
[02:24] <rents> so far so good
[02:26] <rents> installation freezed once because of migration assistant and first login gave me just a blank screen
[02:26] <rents> both times reboot helped
[02:27] <soc_> is it right, that abiword doesn't even use odf as it's defualt format?
[02:31] <w00t> abiword uses it's own format as default
[02:32] <w00t> but that doesn't matter to me, it doesn't suck so hard as OOo
[02:33] <w00t> I gave up on that after it kept crashing while trying to change styles, etc
[02:33] <w00t> funnily enough, the same reason I stopped using it a few years ago on windows too
[02:34] <soc_> mhh
[02:34] <soc_> but it will be used for olpc ... if it then doesn't use odf as a default ... taht seems pretty bad to me ...
[02:35] <w00t> to me, the format doesn't really matter - whether or not I can edit the damn document without the software continually falling down around my ears, does.
[02:37] <Assid> Eq|work: you about?
[02:40] <Eq|work> going for lunch
[02:49] <Assid> hrmm okay
[02:49] <Assid> i dont know if i should play with the older kernel.. now its acting fine. this is trange
[02:51] <Assid> Amaranth: you around?
[02:55] <soc_> w00t: yes, but would be nice for our odf vs. ooxml statistics :-)
[03:33] <Eq|work> argh.. mod_rewrite..
[03:36] <aantoon> is there a way to use the hardware mouse in gaming instead of the cursor that comes with the game?
[03:36] <Eq|work> err.. wtf?
[03:36] <Eq|work> the cursor shown is a direct representation of the values recieved from the device
[03:36] <Eq|work> (in terms of position)
[03:37] <Eq|work> given that this is the ubuntu testing channel, and you've said 'the' game, i suspect that you're posting in the wrong chan anyway aantoon
[03:38] <aantoon> well it is gaming in general
[03:39] <w00t> Eq|work: i'm guessing he means "is there a way to override games theming my mouse cursor"
[03:41] <aantoon> err, i use dapper and feisty and i have same problems with both distro in several games. the game cursor takes over and that gives problems
[03:42] <aantoon> i was testing a program called nwmouse, and it somehow worked
[03:47] <Eq|work> aantoon : what do you mean, the 'game cursor' takes over?
[03:49] <Eq|work> heh
[03:54] <shirish> hi all, I updated/upgraded my kernel yesterday . Today I purged the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel as shown here in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34798/
[03:54] <shirish> now I have few questions for things which happened while it was purge <IP_ADDRESS>, can anybody help?
[03:54] <shirish> purge/purging
[03:55] <Eq|work> what are the questions?
[03:55] <shirish> Eq|work, thanx
[03:56] <shirish> Eq|work: first of why it shows unmet dependencies, somethings got over-written or something else? line 14
[03:58] <shirish> Eq|work: then line 39 at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34798/ update-initramfs generated kernel <IP_ADDRESS>, why did it do that?
[04:00] <Eq|work> shirish : because you remove the kernel, which meant that other packages had to be removed
[04:00] <Eq|work> the other choice was for it to have reinstalled the kernel, but as you were trying to purge it, that's not very likely.
[04:00] <shirish> right
[04:01] <Eq|work> i've no idea why mkinitrd tried to build a 2.6.22-9 initrd
[04:01] <Eq|work> wait
[04:01] <Eq|work> yes i do
[04:01] <shirish> Eq|work: go ahead
[04:01] <Eq|work> the module removal postinstall scripts
[04:02] <Eq|work> they will tell it to recreate the initrd for that version
[04:02] <Eq|work> but as you were already removing the kernel, that got removed moments after
[04:02] <Eq|work> side-affect of how ubuntu structure things
[04:02] <Eq|work> nothing to worry about
[04:03] <Eq|work> btw, you should remove /initrd.img.old and /vmlinuz.old
[04:03] <Eq|work> they're unnecessary
[04:03] <shirish> Eq|work: ok cool. I was thinking as for a user like me while I dunno much about mkinitrd or update-initramfs apart from the fact that they are important
[04:04] <Eq|work> the important part is lines 63-70
[04:04] <Eq|work> you may also want to remove 2.6.22-8 btw
[04:04] <Eq|work> if -10 is working fine
[04:05] <shirish> Eq|work: I could remove 2.6.22-8 also, but always keep a backup kernel, one never knows ;)
[04:05] <shirish> that's the advantage one has in linux ;)
[04:06] <shirish> Eq|work: can you look at this
[04:06] <shirish>   sudo ls -la  /initrd.img.old
[04:06] <shirish> ls: /initrd.img.old: No such file or directory
[04:06] <shirish> Eq|work: why does it say like that, is this a hidden file or something?
[04:10] <shirish> Eq|work: gnomefreak: how do I remove /initrd.img.old & /vmlinuz.old http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34798/
[04:20] <isidoro> hi guys... no one is on line?
[04:21] <isidoro> hi
[04:24] <Hobbsee> nope
[04:26] <isidoro> I have annoing problem when I plug a usb pen stik... it is mounted with ipod icon than normal external usb disk as it is
[04:27] <Pici> In Gutsy?
[04:29] <isidoro> Pici: to be honest in feisty final release but please help me anyway becouse I saw that this is a old bug
[04:29] <Pici> isidoro: Why dont you ask it in #ubuntu where more people can see it and answer?
[04:29] <Hobbsee> does it happen in gutsy?
[04:29] <Hobbsee> (as well)?
[04:30] <isidoro> Pici: becouse I did but seems this is a development problem
[04:30] <shirish> Hobbsee: Pici: can you guys have a look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34798/ and tell me how to remove /initrd.img.old & /vmlinuz.old is it already removed? for
[04:30] <shirish> shirish@Mugglewille:~$ sudo ls -la  /initrd.img.old
[04:30] <shirish> ls: /initrd.img.old: No such file or directory
[04:31] <Hobbsee> shirish: that's...not an error
[04:31] <Hobbsee> The link /vmlinuz.old is a damaged link
[04:31] <Hobbsee> Removing symbolic link vmlinuz.old
[04:31] <Hobbsee> The link /initrd.img.old is a damaged link
[04:31] <Hobbsee> Removing symbolic link initrd.img.old
[04:31] <Hobbsee> ie, it's already removed.
[04:31] <shirish> Hobbsee: I see, ah thanx ;)
[04:32] <sparrw> my intel wifi card no longer Just Works with 2.6.22-9-generic (gutsy), worked fine with 2.6.17-10-generic (edgy) and 2.6.20-16-generic (feisty).  ideas?
[04:32] <Pici> isidoro: Are you running Gutsy at all and if so does the problem occur there?
[04:33] <isidoro> Pici: no I have never run gusty
[04:34] <Hobbsee> sparrw: there are many intel wireless cards.
[04:34] <Hobbsee> sparrw: would help if you're more specific.
[04:34] <Pici> isidoro: Looks like the bug is logged here, and is confirmed to be an issue on Gutsy Tribe 4: bug 90286
[04:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 90286 in hal-info "USB flash drive recognized as a music player" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90286
[04:35] <sparrw> Hobbsee: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05)
[04:35] <sparrw> so says lspci
[04:35] <Hobbsee> right
[04:35] <Hobbsee> sparrw: are you meaning "doesnt connect" or "doesnt get found"?
[04:35] <sparrw> doesnt get found
[04:35] <sparrw> not on knetworkmanager or iwconfig
[04:36] <Hobbsee> does the light turn on?
[04:36] <isidoro> Pici: yes exactly the same
[04:36] <sparrw> no, but im not sure if it did when it worked.  i didnt notice one way or the other then
[04:37] <Hobbsee> sparrw: then i'll go with my first guess of l-u-m not being installed
[04:38] <Pici> sparrw: is ipw2200 listed as being in use in lsmod?
[04:38] <sparrw> Pici: yes, by ieee80211
[04:38] <sparrw> Hobbsee: where would i get that module?
[04:38] <sparrw> i cant seem to find it in main/universe/multiverse
[04:38] <isidoro> where can i post lshal to let you see the differences between a usb pen disk mounted in a good way and the secon one as ipod?
[04:39] <Hobbsee> sparrw: restricted?
[04:39] <sparrw> ok
[04:39] <sparrw> looking there too
[04:39] <Hobbsee> sparrw: linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-10-generic
[04:39] <sparrw> ahh
[04:39] <sparrw> didnt give the kernel suffix
[04:40] <sparrw> \heh
[04:40] <sparrw> new kernel since i installed 2.6.22-9
[04:41] <Pici> isidoro: It would be best if you added the information to that bug report, along with the your version of Ubuntu, kernel version.
[04:41] <Pici> isidoro: I dont think theres anything we can do until the bug is fixed.
[04:42] <isidoro> Pici: the strange is that this bug cames up only after I installed amarok
[04:43] <isidoro> Pici: even if I configured Ipod for the real ipod device and no handle for the pen usb stik
[04:44] <Pici> isidoro: amarok really should have nothing to do with the way icons are shown on the desktop. Are you using KDE or Gnome?
[04:44] <isidoro> gnome
[04:44] <Pici> isidoro: Then it definitly shouldnt make a difference.
[04:45] <isidoro> Pici: can you say more
[04:45] <Pici> isidoro: What do you mean can I say more?
[04:45] <isidoro> Pici: you mean amarok is sure not a problem
[04:46] <aantoon> Eq|work: aantoon : what do you mean, the 'game cursor' takes over? well...start a game, any game in full screen and the mouse cursor turns in to a hand or a sword or something. nwmouse keeps the normal cursor, and above all it settings, so you don't have any lags
[04:46] <isidoro> Pici: problems cames from gnome or ubuntu
[04:46] <Pici> isidoro: It looks like its a bug in hal-info,so... ubuntu
[04:47] <isidoro> Pici: humm but is there a way to force to hal how handle usb devices?
[04:48] <isidoro> gnome-mount can do something?
[04:49] <Pici> isidoro: I do not know.
[04:51] <instabin|work> Is there any way to make a new iso install image with the new packages?
[04:51] <instabin|work> specificaly the kernel and restricted modules...
[04:55] <Pici> instabin|work: um.. You mean like a daily build?
[04:56] <instabin|work> I geuss...
[04:56] <Pici> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com has them
[04:56] <instabin|work> an iso that has all the updates to tribe 4?
[04:57] <Pici> instabin|work: Yep.  You might just be better off waiting for tribe 5 though.
[04:57] <instabin|work> Pici: sweet thanks that will help with installing to the laptop with the 8400M
[04:59] <Eq|work> aantoon : can't say i've ever experienced cursor 'lag'
[04:59] <Eq|work> and imo it detracts from the game to force it to be the os cursor.
[05:01] <aantoon> Eq|work: yes i know :(
[05:04] <shirish> Pici: I have a question, let's say I have a final release of feisty, gutsy or whatever release comes out, 2 months down the line, there are going to be something like 100 MB+ updates or something. In such a case, does cdimage.ubuntu.com also have a daily release with all updates there? I do know there would be a developmental daily release for sure.
[05:04] <aantoon> Eq|work: but you don't know if there is a program like nwmouse (but then without the bugs) with puts the hardware mouse intop of the ingame mouse?
[05:06] <hylje> aantoon: but thats ugly
[05:06] <Hobbsee> shirish: no
[05:06] <aantoon>  hylje: :) yes
[05:06] <instabin|work> shirish: you could mirror the repository...
[05:07] <aantoon>  hylje: but a game that dos not play is uglier :)
[05:07] <instabin|work> then all the updates are allready downloaded...
[05:07] <shirish> instabin|work: that would take a lot of bandwidth/work I guess
[05:09] <instabin|work> Humm... I might have to get a ps3 just to put ubuntu on it...
[05:10] <instabin|work> is there something special you have to do???
[05:10] <shirish> instabin|work: I was under the impression that one has to do something special
[05:10] <shirish> instabin|work: dinner calls, bbiaf
[05:11] <instabin|work> found it
[05:11] <instabin|work> shirish: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PlayStation_3
[05:12] <shirish> instabin|work: will look it up, although dunno what ps3 has to do with mirroring a repository but still will take a look.
[05:12] <instabin|work> has nothing to do will mirroring the repo unless you set the repo up on the ps3  ;)
[05:13] <Hobbsee> shirish: although, there is going to be a dapper.2
[05:15] <sparrw> which kde*-dbg package will help me with System Settings crashing?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> errr.....kdelibs-dbg would be the guess, if they actually have a debug package for it
[05:57] <tretle> can anyone tell me what doesnt work in gutsy 64bit version
[05:57] <tretle> can anyone tell me what doesnt work in gutsy 64bit version
[05:57] <tretle> whoops
[05:57] <tretle> like ntfs3g?
[05:58] <tretle> just installed gutsy tribe4 64bit version and installing updates now
[05:58] <tretle> was using 32bit version before that
[05:58] <lemonade> check launchpad
[05:58] <lemonade> it's impossible to tell what doesn't work
[06:02] <tretle> even what genrally doesnt work in 64bit versions
[06:02] <Pici> Flash can be a pain to get working
[06:02] <__tim> valgrind doesn't work; flash in firefox doesn't work
[06:02] <Pici> But thats not something that Ubuntu can fix.
[06:02] <tretle> whats valgrind?
[06:03] <__tim> a debugging tool, only interesting for developers
[06:03] <tretle> wasnt the source released for flash or isnt there an open source version?
[06:04] <Pici> tretle: Theres gnash.  Flash is still closed.
[06:04] <Pici> !gnash | tretle
[06:04] <ubotu> tretle: An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[06:05] <tretle> does gnash have 64bit support?
[06:06] <shirish> ubotu swfdec | tretle
[06:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about swfdec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:06] <shirish> bah
[06:06] <shirish> tretle: there is also another competing codec called swfdec, its not packaged though afaik
[06:08] <tretle> hmmm.... might be nice for gutsy64bit version of fiirefox to install one of the open source versions of flash that works with 64bit when you try and view flash
[06:08] <shirish> Hobbsee: what was that about dapper.2, does anybody know?
[06:08] <tretle> sorta like how totem looks for codecs
[06:08] <Hobbsee> shirish: what about it?
[06:09] <shirish> Hobbsee: any more news on it, or can you tell me where I can find more info on dapper.2
[06:09] <Hobbsee> there's a milestone for it in launchpad, plans are for sept sometime, i think
[06:10] <Hobbsee> it's all fairly quiet still
[06:11] <shirish> Hobbsee: cool, a redirect or URL would be better, launchpad is a big place to find stuff like this.
[06:11] <Hobbsee> b.l.n/ubuntu
[06:11] <Hobbsee> left panel
[06:16] <Hobbsee> not that i'msure that really helps you much
[06:16] <__tim> tretle: that's more or less what it does already: it will show you an 'install plugin ...' button (doesn't work for me, but that's a different matter :))
[06:16] <Eq|work> argh.. farking mod_rewrite
[06:17] <tretle> __tim , did it always do that, even with edgy/feisty?
[06:17] <shirish> actually what firefox should give pointer to gnash & not adobe flash-plugin (non-free)
[06:18] <Eq|work> shirish : that'd be great, except that the opensource flash plugins tend to be even worse than adobe's.
[06:18] <__tim> tretle: I've never used edgy or feisty on a 64-bit machine, so don't know
[06:18] <Eq|work> if they work at all, they completely cane the machine
[06:19] <shirish> Eq|work: I disagree with that, I am using gnash the latest packaged version & it works great, on youtube as well as elsewhere.
[06:19] <tretle> another thing that wrecks my head is that you need to play a codec in totem for it to ask you whether you want to install extra codecs
[06:19] <shirish> Eq|work: Of course there are issues, but nothing as before as crashing the browser or something.
[06:19] <tretle> should allow you to do it in rhythmbox
[06:20] <shirish> tretle: the problem there is, all the formats & hence the codecs are non-free I guess.
[06:20] <shirish> ubotu restricted formats
[06:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:20] <tretle> and it should be able to tell the difference between a video file and an audio file so when you launch audio from nautilus it launches in rhythmbox and video in totem
[06:20] <shirish> tretle: please look at the links ubotu has given.
[06:23] <tretle> that doesnt give any information on what I just said
[06:24] <tretle> I know you can just install the restricted codecs from totem and use them in rhythmbox
[06:24] <shirish> then your question is?
[06:24] <tretle> but rhythmbox should also give the user a prompt if the codecs are not installed when you try and play them
[06:24] <tretle> like totem does
[06:25] <shirish> aha, ok, that's a good idea, maybe file a bug with rhythmbox perhaps
[06:25] <tretle> and totem should be the default for video and rhythmbox should be the default for audio
[06:25] <tretle> I dont like the way rhythmbox tries to play my audio and video
[06:26] <tretle> sorry
[06:26] <shirish> tretle: I dunno about that, me personally, I use exaile & vlc
[06:26] <tretle> totem
[06:26] <tretle> totem should concentrate on video only
[06:26] <shirish> and I'm happy with both exaile for music & vlc for all my video needs.
[06:26] <__tim> tretle: it's harder to implement in rhythmbox, that's why it hasn't been done yet AFAIK
[06:27] <Eq|work> argh.
[06:28] <shirish> Eq|work: what's mod_rewrite?
[06:29] <teratoma> did ssh-add go away?
[06:29] <Eq|work> shirish : apache mod
[06:29] <Eq|work> teratoma : no..
[06:30] <shirish> Eq|work: ah, web server stuff
[06:30] <Eq|work> yes.
[06:30] <shirish> Eq|work: never played with it hence didn't know
[06:30] <Eq|work> need specific rules depending on somepage.php?blah=123
[06:30] <Eq|work> as in not matching that, do something
[06:30] <Eq|work> unfortunately, it seems to be ignoring what i tell it
[06:33] <shirish> Eq|work: sad to hear that
[06:33] <tretle> hmm
[06:33] <tretle> restart
[06:33] <tretle> cya
[06:38] <neo2dot0> gdebi keeps telling me that I have to close the other administrative processes, but I am seeing none.
[06:39] <neo2dot0> How can I check for theses processes?
[06:42] <Eq|work> damned infinite loops
[06:47] <jussi01> grrr, why does firefox open slightly smaller than the actual screen size?
[06:47] <Arwen> because opening in fullscreen is stupid
[06:48] <jussi01> Arwen: why do you say that?
[06:49] <Assid> jussi01:  it doesnt know how to save a full screen state
[06:49] <Arwen> because the reason we have multi-tasking OS' is so that we can run more than one app at a time
[06:49] <Arwen> you can always maximize it if you want
[06:49] <Assid> Arwen: i think he means less than maximised
[06:49] <SeveredCross> Bleh.
[06:49] <Assid> hahaha
[06:50] <Assid> thats gonnna be one day
[06:50] <Arwen> lol
[06:50] <jussi01> I want the freakin thing to start freakin maximised... is that clear enough??
[06:50] <Arwen> yeah right
[06:50] <SeveredCross> I have to make a qemu installation of Windows XP just so I can chkdsk this goddamn NTFS partition and start moving it to ext3.
[06:50] <Arwen> jussi01, well, tough luck?
[06:50] <SeveredCross> Arwen: It's in the works...The NTFS driver guys are working on it
[06:50] <Assid> qemu ?
[06:50] <SeveredCross> No, fsck.ntfs
[06:50] <Arwen> huh, stays maximized here. Starts on the wrong display, but it works.
[06:50] <SeveredCross> Err wrong person,
[06:50] <SeveredCross> s/Arwen/Assid
[06:51] <Arwen> SeveredCross, they don't even have mount.ntfs fully functional, why try to write fsck for it?
[06:51] <Assid> by any chance.. any one know how tyo get compiz to have a seperate taskbar per desktop ?
[06:51] <Arwen> it's somewhere in the compiz settings
[06:52] <Assid> Arwen: cant find it.. too many options :(
[06:52] <Arwen> I think it's under general, but I haven't used compiz in a while
[06:52] <SeveredCross> Arwen: Don't believe me? Look at their website.
[06:52] <Arwen> link please
[06:52] <Assid> hrmm.. whats qemu
[06:53] <Arwen> x86 emulator
[06:53] <Assid> games?
[06:53] <Arwen> no, usually used for running a virtual OS
[06:53] <SeveredCross> http://www.linux-ntfs.org/content/view/15/29/
[06:53] <Assid> oh did i tellyou.. i got a 6600GT - 2nd hand .. for like 45 bucks
[06:53] <SeveredCross> Look down the page, you'll see ntfsfsck--it's not started yet, but there are plans for it.
[06:54] <Arwen> Assid, GIVE ME
[06:54] <Assid> so im gonna use that till i buy my new machine in like 6 months
[06:54] <Arwen> SeveredCross, and ntfsdefrag too o.O
[06:55] <Assid> do we even have a defrag for ext3 ?
[06:55] <Arwen> nope
[06:55] <Assid> thought its something i jjust didnt know about
[06:55] <Arwen> there's defrag2fs, but it doesn't work on ext3
[06:55] <SeveredCross> Ext3 doesn't need a defrag
[06:55] <SeveredCross> IIRC.
[06:55] <Arwen> SeveredCross, YES IT DOES
[06:55] <SeveredCross> Okay...I'd heard that it doesn't, I'm no filesystems expert.
[06:55] <Arwen> not as often, and not in "normal use", but it could definitely use a defrag tool
[06:55] <SeveredCross> No need to get testy
[06:56] <Assid> hehee
[06:56] <Assid> okay i need to code some more !
[06:56] <Arwen> SeveredCross, sorry, I read that BS way too often
[06:57] <Arwen> SeveredCross, heh, the one tool they're missing is one that can change ntfs permissions
[06:58] <SeveredCross> Yep yep yep.
[06:59] <shirish> Arwen: what about ntfs-config, tried it?
[06:59] <Arwen> nope, what is it?
[06:59] <Arwen> shirish, oh, not those permissions. Permissions as in NTFS ACLs.
[07:00] <shirish> Arwen: ah, you meant access-control lists, that's interesting sure
[07:01] <Arwen> yeah, would make for a great recovery tool
[07:02] <shirish> Arwen: true
[07:03] <shirish> Arwen: but might have security issues also, unauthorized access, as it is knoppix has some great tools for breaking & entering :P
[07:03] <Arwen> bah, the ntfs driver already ignores the ACLs
[07:04] <Arwen> I'm thinking something like this: X user accidentally breaks his Windows setup. Sets all users to "deny everything". Can't boot. Uses ntfsacl or some equivalent to fix the permissions. Magic.
[07:17] <Do``> hey
[07:17] <Do``> could someone recommend a cd burning software that can burn audio cd-s directly from flac?
[07:18] <Do``> i use gnomebaker for most of the time, but it seems to be freezing when i click on burn in gusty
[07:18] <silesia> Is the Tribe 5 release still scheduled to happen today ?
[07:18] <Arwen> k3b maybe?
[07:19] <jussi01> brasero also?
[07:19] <__tim> also Serpentine probably
[07:22] <Do``> thanks
[07:24] <silesia> Any special caveats when it comes to installing dev releases on laptops (ibm t60p) - it's not a prod. machine yet.
[07:25] <seezer> silesia: kubuntu gutsy works "perfect" on my t60
[07:25] <silesia> good to hear that !
[07:26] <Arwen> it works "not very well" on my crappy Dell
[07:27] <seezer> fingerprint reader and hdaps (active protection) need a little handwork but it's not that hard
[07:27] <silesia> Out of curiosity, how much "not very well" - I've quite a bit of Debian experience, but almost none with Ubuntu. I don't have a feel for how stable or unstable dev releases are.
[07:27] <seezer> silesia: http://www.thinkwiki.org
[07:27] <silesia> (I generally run Debian testing)
[07:27] <silesia> OK.
[07:27] <seezer> just install gutsy ;) everything works out of the box here
[07:27] <silesia> :) - pulling down Tribe 4 as I type
[07:28] <Do``> ye works but how :PP
[07:29] <Pici> fyi: newest kernel update sound on my t60
[07:30] <seezer> hm? :)
[07:31] <shirish> Pici: so I'm not the only one who looks at kernel changelogs :P
[07:32] <Pici> er,  I missed a word in that sentence.
[07:32] <wfarr> has anyone had more of these issues: $ ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr
[07:32] <wfarr> bash: ./autogen.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[07:32] <wfarr> $ ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr
[07:32] <wfarr> bash: ./autogen.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[07:33] <silesia> Broken /bin/sh link ?
[07:33] <wfarr> silesia, nah, it's there
[07:33] <wfarr> I've reinstalled dash as well
[07:33] <wfarr> to no avail
[07:33] <Pici> I meant to say that the -10 update broke sound on my t60
[07:33] <SeveredCross> Try bash autogen.sh --prefix=/usr and see if that works
[07:33] <seezer> silesia: ah one problem exists here (but trusting google and thinkwiki this is a hardware problem which could possibly be solved by biosupgrade or something): wired ethernet only works if cable was connected at boot time or by reloading "e1000"
[07:34] <wfarr> SeveredCross, that seems to do the trick
[07:34] <wfarr> interesting
[07:34] <wfarr> I'll go file a bug
[07:34] <seezer> Pici: ah. didn't get the problem in the beginning ;) still running 2.6.22-9
[07:34] <silesia> seezer: thanks for the heads up - I don't use wired eth often, but that's good to know.
[07:34] <wfarr> SeveredCross, when it gets to configure it craps out due to "checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs."
[07:35] <wfarr> which shouldn't be the case at all - I've got build-essential and all the build deps
[07:35] <wfarr> I'm going to pastebin my config.log
[07:35] <SeveredCross> Uhm.
[07:35] <SeveredCross> Sounds like you've got bigger issues than that.
[07:36] <SeveredCross> "Cannot run C compiled programs"
[07:36] <SeveredCross> Sounds like you're missing libc or something
[07:36] <wfarr> libc6 is installed
[07:36] <SeveredCross> Hmm.
[07:36] <SeveredCross> I have no idea then.
[07:37] <wfarr> what does "uname -p" return on your end?
[07:37] <SeveredCross> Unknown
[07:37] <Arwen> unknown
[07:37] <wfarr> okay, so that's not out of ordinary on my end
[07:37] <SeveredCross> Oddly enough -p and -i are both unknown.
[07:37] <wfarr> same here
[07:38] <wfarr> I think I found the issue
[07:38] <wfarr> configure:3110: checking whether the C compiler works
[07:38] <wfarr> configure:3120: ./a.out
[07:38] <wfarr> configure: line 3121: ./a.out: Permission denied
[07:38] <wfarr> from there it exits to the error of not being able to run C compiled programs
[07:39] <seezer> wfarr: is the mountpoint mounted with noexec?
[07:40] <wfarr> seezer, 'cat /etc/fstab;grep noexec' returns nothing
[07:40] <wfarr> er ; => |
[07:40] <seezer> better check /etc/mtab or `mount` but if you didn't remount it you should be fine
[07:42] <wfarr> proc, /sys, varrun, varlock, and /dev/sdb1 (my external HDD that has all my music and videos on it)
[07:43] <wfarr> my config.log: http://pastebin.ca/668194
[07:43] <wfarr> fstab and mtab: http://pastebin.ca/668196
[07:46] <silesia> wfarr: Can you try compiling a 'hello, world' program in the same dir and running it ?
[07:47] <wfarr> silesia, I don't know C ^_^;
[07:48] <wfarr> lemme try editing the mount options for the / partition and explicitly adding "exec"
[07:48] <silesia> http://www.paulgriffiths.net/program/c/hellosrc.html
[07:48] <sparrw> in gutsy my intel 2100 wifi card did not work.  i installed linux-ubuntu-modules and now it shows up in knetworkmanager and iwconfig, but when i try to connect to a WLAN with knetworkmanager it does not get past 28% 'Activation stage: Configuring device'.  help?
[07:48] <silesia> Copy that into hello.c ; then gcc -o hello hello.c ; then ./hello
[07:49] <wfarr> that worked
[07:49] <wfarr> lemme try something real quick
[07:49] <mamefan> X quit working for me today.  I found it's due to an old nvidia kernel module getting loaded at boot.  If I rmmod it then X starts fine.  How do I keep the old module from loading (or load the right one)?
[07:49] <silesia> OK ... so C compiler is not a problem, exec/noexec is not a problem.
[07:49] <wfarr> all the things I tried to compile are currently on a dir on my external which mtab said had noexec
[07:49] <silesia> Ah .. you didn't do that in the same dir ?
[07:49] <mamefan> [   34.776000]  nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
[07:49] <mamefan> [   34.964000]  NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module  1.0-7185  Mon Apr  2 18:29:54 PDT 2007
[07:49] <mamefan> [  652.636000]  NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module  100.14.11  Wed Jun 13 18:21:22 PDT 2007
[07:49] <wfarr> whereas I ran hello world from my / fileystem
[07:50] <wfarr> silesia, I'll test in the other dir now
[07:50] <mamefan> It's the 100.14.11 that works but only after removing the 1.0-7185.
[07:50] <wfarr> there we go
[07:50] <Do``> is it weird that today there were no updates in the repositories?
[07:50] <wfarr> it's a noexec on the external HDD
[07:50] <Do``> do i need to dist-upgrade again to go from tribe 4 to tribe 5?
[07:50] <wfarr> bash returned permission denied this time
[07:51] <seezer> wfarr: just do mount -o remount,exec /mountpoint/of/external/hdd
[07:51] <wfarr> kk
[07:51] <c00i90wn> I want to upgrade to Gutsy so I did sudo update-manager -c -d but it says that my system is up to date, is this because it's not a final release?
[07:51] <seezer> c00i90wn: right
[07:52] <c00i90wn> seezer: I should make a s/feisty/gutsy/ in sources lists then?
[07:52] <wfarr> there we go
[07:52] <wfarr> thanks seezer - you're a lifesaver
[07:52] <seezer> wfarr: call me david hasselhoff
[07:52] <seezer> :)
[07:52] <wfarr> =p
[07:53] <seezer> c00i90wn: could work but you could run into some problems which you have to solve manually. good luck ;)
[07:53] <c00i90wn> seezer: what would you recommend me?
[07:54] <seezer> worked fine for me (around tribe1)
[07:54] <Pici> c00i90wn: Are you ready to use an unstable system that may break at any point?
[07:54] <seezer> c00i90wn: can't recommend it, but i'd do it that way, yes.
[07:54] <khoa> for a tribe4->tribe5 upgrade should i just, "sudo update-manager -d"?
[07:54] <Pici> khoa: no need.
[07:54] <Pici> khoa: just update as usual.
[07:54] <Arwen> do, just normal dist-upgrade
[07:55] <c00i90wn> Pici: Living on the edge is a sport for me, most of my apps are unstable :)
[07:55] <mamefan> X quit working for me today.  I found it's due to an old nvidia kernel module getting loaded at boot.  If I rmmod it then X starts fine.  How do I keep the old module from loading (or load the right one)?
[07:55] <khoa> Pici: ok thats what I was thinking, thanks though, doing it know
[07:55] <Arwen> tribe x -> tribe y is just like any other upgrade since you're not changing distro
[07:55] <khoa> now*
[07:56] <mamefan> is there a better place to ask my Gutsy / X / NVidia question?
[07:56] <c00i90wn> seezer: with --dry-run ?
[07:57] <khoa> crossing my fingers that this will resolve the issues i had with pidgin TLS/SSL support
[07:57] <khoa> or at least provide a better starting point into fixing it
[07:58] <seezer> c00i90wn: don't think it's needed, but it's your machine ;)
[07:58] <Pici> !ohmy | Arwen
[07:58] <ubotu> Arwen: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:58] <PriceChild> Arwen, which issue?   GDM?
[07:58] <Arwen> GDM locks up my system if I try to logout
[07:59] <Pici> mamefan: This is probably the best place, if you dont get an anwer immediatly, you can check lp.net to see if someone is having the same problem then try again in here later.
[08:04] <tretle> could someone tell me whether emerald is broken on gutsy?
[08:05] <gnomefreak> tretle: try in #ubuntu-effects they might know more
[08:05] <tretle> its so very inactive there
[08:06] <tretle> :(
[08:06] <gnomefreak> tretle: not much more in here if you noticed
[08:07] <gnomefreak> i have been way too busy to worry about compiz sorry
[08:07] <Arwen> compiz/compcomm has their own channel, no?
[08:07] <gnomefreak> Arwen: ubuntu-effects is the main one if you go to a #compiz it isnt just for ubuntu so they may not be as helpful as you might think
[08:09] <tretle> eh worth a try
[08:10] <tretle> thx
[08:13] <c00i90wn> would the dist-upgrade remove my already installed compiz-fusion?
[08:20] <Arwen> if it has a lower version number
[08:20] <Some_Person> I like the way that Gutsy's taskbar has one set size for the open windows (like in windows). But in feisty, they stretch their size all the time. How do I make Feisty's taskbar act like Gutsy's
[08:22] <hylje> upgrade to gutsy
[08:23] <hylje> i'd think simply fetching a new gnome-panel would do it
[08:23] <hylje> it can break your gnome, mindyou
[08:24] <Some_Person> I do not want to upgrade to Gutsy. It is too unstable.
[08:25] <Some_Person> How could it break my GNOME?
[08:25] <hylje> it *can*, because it's probably from a different GNOME release than feisty's
[08:25] <Some_Person> ah...
[08:26] <mon^rch> is anyone else having lots of probs with firefox in gutsy?
[08:26] <Some_Person> wouldnt dependencies stop that?
[08:26] <Dave2> Define "lots of probs"
[08:26] <hylje> you can feel free to get most of gnome with it, yes
[08:26] <hylje> but it's probably more effort than just coping with gutsy
[08:26] <Some_Person> I couldn't even cope with the live cd!
[08:28] <Some_Person> And yes, Feisty has GNOME 2.18, while Gutsy has 2.19
[08:29] <Some_Person> Why don't they just backport 2.19?
[08:29] <hylje> ubuntu is not a rolling release
[08:30] <hylje> we get struck big time every half a year
[08:30] <Arwen> if you want dynamic upgrades, try Debian Unstable.
[08:30] <hylje> yes
[08:30] <hylje> debian's quite rolling
[08:30] <Arwen> Ubuntu is basically 6 month snapshots of Debian.
[08:31] <mon^rch> firefox crashes when I open "preferences" and lots of extensions are making it crash also -- help
[08:31] <Arwen> disable the extensions?
[08:31] <mon^rch> yeah, but
[08:32] <Some_Person> "unstable" is the key word there
[08:32] <PriceChild> Arwen, plus a little polish
[08:32] <Arwen> yeah
[08:33] <Some_Person> well, i'll just live with it, like i've done since i started with ubuntu breezy, and be happy it'll be included in 7.10
[08:34] <mon^rch> omg... firefox is pooched... can I install a old version or something?
[08:34] <hylje> debian testing is what can be unstable, debian unstable is generally stable, debian stable then..
[08:34] <Some_Person> and debian experimental is ultra-unstable?
[08:34] <hylje> what do you expect from the world "experimental"?
[08:34] <hylje> word
[08:35] <finalbeta> and debian experimental is ultra-unstable?, no it's called ubuntu.
[08:36] <shirish> isn't it experimental > testing > unstable > stable right?
[08:36] <Some_Person> dont forget oldstable
[08:37] <shirish> experimental > testing > unstable > stable > oldstable that's better I guess ;)
[08:41] <Some_Person> So Gutsy would be like testing, and Grumpy (when it comes out) will be like experimental?
[08:42] <hylje> not directly comparable
[08:42] <hylje> older (LTS) releases of ubuntu approach debian stable
[08:42] <crdlb> shirish, it's unstable>testing>stable
[08:42] <shirish> crdlb: ah so we sync always with unstable, with unstable being bleeding edge?
[08:43] <sparrw> i wish i could have ubuntu's good configuration and integration with debian's rolling releases
[08:43] <Some_Person> so dapper=stable, feisty=unstable, gutsy=testing, grumpy=experimental?
[08:43] <Pici> Some_Person: No.
[08:43] <Arwen> Some_Person, no
[08:43] <Pici> Some_Person: We dont do releases like debian does.
[08:43] <Arwen> because Ubuntu has fixed-point releases
[08:44] <Arwen> each of those were directly comparable to Debian Unstable *when they were released*
[08:44] <Pici> dapper=stable lts, feisty = stable, gutsy = stable upon release, gutsy+1 = stable upon release lts
[08:44] <shirish> 'snapshots in time'
[08:45] <sparrw> Some_Person: the latest ubuntu release is somewhere between debian testing and debian stable, in terms of age and features and stability.  the upcoming ubuntu release starts out worse than debian experimental and slowly gets closer to debian testing as beta approaches
[08:45] <Some_Person> One thing I want fixed bad in Gutsy is the desktop effects. I have the same problem I get in Feisty: where the titlebar sometimes turns all white. When using Xgl, however, I don't get the bug.
[08:46] <PriceChild> Some_Person, nvidia?
[08:46] <Some_Person> yes
[08:46] <Arwen> I'm *really* waiting for the GDM logout bug to be fixed
[08:47] <blizzow> Anyone having serious issues with the new 2.6.22-10 kernel?  The external speakers on my laptop are now permanently muted.
[08:47] <PriceChild> driver bug
[08:47] <PriceChild> Some_Person, are you using glx or glx-new ?
[08:47] <PriceChild> as I haven't seen it yet with -new
[08:47] <Some_Person> glx
[08:47] <Some_Person> I'm ok right now, using Xgl is a good workaround
[08:47] <PriceChild> you'll have fun switching to -new I'm sure :P
[08:48] <Some_Person> Is new a pain in the... well you know
[08:48] <PriceChild> I always found xgl really nasty
[08:48] <Pici> blizzow: What sound card?
[08:48] <Some_Person> Xgl actually blends in with my system pretty well
[08:49] <Arwen> When I used Xgl, it ate 140MB RAM :-\
[08:49] <Pici> blizzow: There is an issue with intel_hda on -10
[08:49] <blizzow> Pici: Intel HDA
[08:49] <Some_Person> How do I check what my Xgl is using?
[08:49] <hylje> accelerated desktop eats RAM because it keeps your window textures in place
[08:50] <hylje> instead of forgetting them when something rolls over them and redrawing when it appears again
[08:50] <hylje> it redraws them anyway
[08:50] <PriceChild> I've found compiz ridiculously cpu dependent lately
[08:50] <Some_Person> 140 MB is less than Windows Vista used back when I had that
[08:50] <Pici> Me too
[08:50] <Some_Person> How do I check my CPU usage?
[08:50] <Pici> Some_Person: top, gnome-system-monitor
[08:51] <instabin|work> !help
[08:51] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:51] <instabin|work> !find
[08:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about find - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:51] <instabin|work> !find  nvidia
[08:51] <ubotu> Found: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-10-386, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-10-generic, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-10-rt, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-10-xen, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-9-386 (and 17 others)
[08:52] <Some_Person> My system has 336 MB used memory right now
[08:52] <shirish> I dunno what could be the issue but each time I try !some command I generally get a error executing command statement in pidgin, any ideas anybody?
[08:52] <Some_Person> It's probably Xgl and Compiz Fusion
[08:52] <Some_Person> Still, that's less than Vista!
[08:53] <shirish> .
[08:53] <shirish> ./rhys_o_fluttering_butterfly.exe
[08:53] <shirish> ./swanninnproposal.txt~
[08:53] <shirish> ./localehindi.txt
[08:53] <shirish> ./.wine
[08:53] <shirish> ./.wine/dosdevices
[08:53] <Arwen> Some_Person, you know, Windows bashing doesn't really help anything
[08:53] <Some_Person> Windows bashing?
[08:54] <shirish> .
[08:54] <shirish> ./rhys_o_fluttering_butterfly.exe
[08:54] <shirish> ./swanninnproposal.txt~
[08:54] <shirish> ./localehindi.txt
[08:54] <shirish> ./.wine
[08:55] <Some_Person> Freenode must have a strict flood filter
[08:56] <kdub432> when is tribe 5 coming out?!
[08:56] <Some_Person> Why was dapper a late release?
[09:04] <Arwen> yay, I fixed my GDM problem
[09:04] <sparrw> any tips on how to find out why System Settings crashes on load?
[09:06] <Arwen> run it in a terminal and check for error messages
[09:07] <sparrw> what is it called?
[09:09] <jussi01> sparrw: systemsettings
[09:10] <jussi01> sparrw: that should be the command for it
[09:10] <sparrw> yeah, thanks
[09:10] <sparrw> nada on console output, just KCrash warning me its crashing
[09:11] <jussi01> sparrw: sounds like it might be a bug.
[09:11] <jussi01> !bug | sparrw
[09:11] <ubotu> sparrw: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[09:12] <sparrw> i dont know where the bug might be  :(
[09:12] <sparrw> could be in any of a hundred packages
[09:13] <jussi01> sparrw: report the bug as system settings crashes, give details of what happens, and people who know will try and fix it
[09:27] <instabin|work> what type of connection do you need to run xdmcp
[09:34] <blizzow> instabin|work: tcp?
[09:34] <tretle> is anyone else having problems with xchat systray plugin?
[09:34] <instabin|work> blizzow: udp 117
[09:35] <instabin|work> I ment was the required bandwidth....
[09:37] <PriceChild> makzy, thanks ;)
[09:37] <instabin|work> Basicly im trying to find something better than vnc for remote desktop
[09:37] <makzy> np. my bad! :)
[09:37] <instabin|work> I was thinking about nx free edition
[09:37] <instabin|work> or xdmcp or ltsp
[09:38] <makzy> i'll just copypaste my question. does anyone here run novell's gnome-main-menu under gutsy? is there a way to restore the functionality lost through the feisty->gutsy upgrade (install software, configure printers, etc) manually?
[09:39] <makzy> like all the stuff missing in the control center sidebar...
[09:40] <makzy> and in the menu as well.
[09:44] <blizzow> instabin|work: Why not an ssh tunnel with the -C flag?
[09:44] <instabin|work> blizzow: what does that do?
[09:44] <instabin|work> Im on windows can i do that with putty?
[09:45] <blizzow> it compresses the traffic going through the ssh tunnel.
[09:45] <instabin|work> windows at work linux at home
[09:45] <blizzow> So I'm assuming you're trying to blast a window from your linux home machine to your windows machine?
[09:52] <instabin|work> blizzow: no the whole desktop
[09:53] <blizzow> You could still start an Xnest session over an ssh tunnel to get a whole desktop
[09:53] <blizzow> are you using cygwin?
[09:53] <sparrw> grr @ leaving things out of compiled packages
[09:54] <sparrw> the only time i wish i was on gentoo
[09:54] <blizzow> sparrw: no kidding, I went to use the clustering mode in fyre this morning and found out it's compiled without support for clustered rendering.
[09:56] <tom4324847> Hello!  Is the tribe 5 cd up yet?
[09:57] <blizzow> instabin|work: I've done the Xnest over anssh tunnel with compression turned on and performance is so/so.  What's the matter with VNC?
[09:58] <instabin|work> blizzow: dont like it... Looking for something simple with no client...
[09:58] <instabin|work> Im starting to think nx server
[09:58] <instabin|work> with the web companion
[10:10] <blizzow> instabin|work: VNC offers web connections too.
[10:11] <instabin|work> blizzow: from what im reading nx server is suposed to be faster than vnc also
[10:17] <spiroo> I got one big problem recently in Gutsy. After upgraded kerenl from 2.6.22-9 to 2.6.22-10 I cannot start Kubuntu correct. I tested ctr+alt+f1 like someone told me here before and had to hack me in byt repeating that combination.
[10:17] <instabin|work> spiroo: what error do you get
[10:17] <spiroo> After the loader with the kubuntu logo has loaded I just got blackscreen instead of bluescreen :D And the green light on the monitor blinks and do not get any response or what it calls
[10:18] <instabin|work> Spiroo: can you get to a console and...
[10:18] <spiroo> I am not sure if it was after the kernel change, maybe some with splash image. Somewhere it said it couldnt find latest resume image on boot disk
[10:18] <instabin|work> ctrl+alt+f1-f6
[10:19] <spiroo> I could get to console, but what to type then?
[10:19] <instabin|work> that is f1 to f6 ... they are all consoles
[10:19] <instabin|work> login and type dmesg
[10:19] <instabin|work> copy it to paste bin
[10:19] <spiroo> what does the command do?
[10:19] <instabin|work> gives us a log
[10:20] <instabin|work> of whats going on
[10:20] <spiroo> I do it now, I am logged in on linux as usual after hacked in
[10:21] <instabin|work> spiroo: its not hacking in
[10:21] <spiroo> www.pastebin.org then?
[10:22] <instabin|work> yes
[10:22] <spiroo> I know, but I repeated the ctr+alt+f1 and after a while got logged in on the graphical standard thingy
[10:22] <instabin|work> the standeraed xserver console is ctrl+alt+F6
[10:24] <spiroo> http://pastebin.org/1020
[10:24] <instabin|work> spiroo: did you get that dmesg log to past bin yet
[10:24] <spiroo> sorry for the waiting, my internet is kinda slow. using wireless XD
[10:24] <instabin|work> could some one else help spiroo I have to get home and take my daughter to her kindergarden orientation...
[10:26] <spiroo> seems something is wrong with ACPI, PCI
[10:28] <spiroo> anyone else then?
[10:33] <sparrw> i love dist-upgrade so big that when its done you have to update and dist-upgrade again  :)
[10:34] <spiroo> ?
[10:34] <XiXaQ> hello everyone. Can anyone tell me if xorg 7.3 will make it into gutsy?
[10:36] <sparrw> spiroo: upgrade took an hour, and failed.  by the time it finished, there were new packages available that fixed the failure  :)
[10:37] <spiroo> sparw: I have upgraded like a thousand times, no upgrades or anything left to install
[10:37] <sparrw> im really hoping this fixes my kde problem, if not then i have to go back to feisty and try one package at a time
[10:38] <sparrw> as to your X problem...
[10:38] <sparrw> tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:38] <spiroo> X problem now?
[10:38] <sparrw> the problem you are having with starting X
[10:39] <spiroo> Is X the problem?
[10:39] <sparrw> probably
[10:39] <spiroo> hmm okay, what is wrong first of all probably?
[10:39] <sparrw> could be a mode line in your x config that isnt supported by your monitor
[10:40] <sparrw> or it could be calling a driver with a parameter that was broken in the new kernel
[10:40] <spiroo> Yes, that would be logical
[10:40] <sparrw> if the problem is not X then its a problem with the kernel almost certainly, and thats outside my experience
[10:40] <shirish> guys my pidgin had been behaving erratically, does somebody know who could take a look at it, I have filed a bug for it.
[10:40] <spiroo> I have reconfiigured the Xserver-Xrog, but I has never been get this error
[10:41] <sparrw> after the screen turns black
[10:41] <sparrw> if you hit ctrl+alt+backspace
[10:41] <sparrw> does anything happen?
[10:41] <shirish> does anybody here how to use xchat?
[10:41] <spiroo> I do not now, NOt tried, but I wanna fix the problem not do a workaround
[10:42] <sparrw> well, if something happens then that means X is running
[10:42] <spiroo> sparw: What should and can I do?
[10:42] <sparrw> reboot, get to the black screen, and hit ctrl+alt+backspace
[10:43] <spiroo> then?
[10:43] <spiroo> return here?
[10:43] <sparrw> yes, and tell me what happened
[10:43] <spiroo> if it happened anything, X-server is not problem, right?
[10:43] <sparrw> if something happens, then X probably IS the problem
[10:44] <spiroo> ah okay, hehe. OKay I wil lreboot, hope I can return to here soon. Cya
[10:44] <shirish> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/134347
[10:46] <ysth1> anybody else have no audio output with the 2.6.22-10 kernel update?
[10:48] <spiroo> hi again
[10:48] <spiroo> sparw: Just for that I should test, no bacl screen was appeared this time :D
[10:50] <sparrw> ha
[10:51] <spiroo> do you know what problem could be?
[10:51] <spiroo> seems that it appears sometimes
[10:52] <sparrw> i dont know, sorry
[10:54] <napsy_> hello. I installed emacs and when I try to run I got "No fonts match `Monospace-13'" What's wrong?
[10:56] <jkimball4> ysth1: I have no sound either
[11:05] <blizzow> jkimball4: what soundcard are you using?
[11:06] <jkimball4> blizzow: Intel HD Audio
[11:07] <TheInfinity> jkimball4: and you have no sound output, but nu errors? :)
[11:08] <blizzow> jkimball4:   There is an issue with the intel hda cards with the gutsy 2.6.22-10 kernel.
[11:08] <spiroo> sparw: thanks anyway. Hope you get the bug sorted out later. good luck with the stable version of Gutsy ;P
[11:08] <jkimball4> That's good.
[11:09] <jkimball4> TheInfinity: I hadn't really looked into it.
[11:10] <TheInfinity> i know this prob from santa rosa platform, thats why i ask. and this bug is already reported, patches are out - i dont know why it is not updated until now
[11:30] <Alpha_Cluster> does anyone know why i might be getting this very informative error when starting firestarter?
[11:30] <Alpha_Cluster> (firestarter:7627): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[11:40] <ggilbert> Alpha_Cluster: are you running it from inside of X?
[11:40] <Alpha_Cluster> ive tried and it never starts
[11:41] <Alpha_Cluster> that happens when i use gksudo and from su
[11:41] <ggilbert> open a terminal and type echo $DISPLAY
[11:41] <Alpha_Cluster> :0.0
[11:41] <ggilbert> ok, and now try running fire starter from that terminal
[11:41] <Alpha_Cluster> same error
[11:42] <ggilbert> you're root in the terminal or using gksu/sudo?
[11:42] <Alpha_Cluster> it has been crashing all day and finally it stoped starting
[11:42] <Alpha_Cluster> um this time was using gksudo
[11:43] <ggilbert> sudo -s to get a shell and then just type firestarter
[11:43] <Alpha_Cluster> ok now it works
[11:44] <Alpha_Cluster> but ssys it cannot find /usr/bin/esd
[11:44] <ggilbert> so maybe there's a gksu issue
[11:44] <Alpha_Cluster> >.<
[11:46] <ggilbert> hmm, it doesnt seem to have changed recently
[11:52] <Warbo> Erm, does anyone know of any major sound updates happening, like maybe in the newer kernel? My laptop's speakers no longer turn off when I plug in headphones, and the volume control has separate Speaker and Headphone controls (both of which control the speakers AND the headphones)
[11:53] <osmosis> can anyone verify if this is fixed in gutsy?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/42532
[11:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 42532 in ubiquity "MASTER: "New partition size" UI is confusing" [Medium,Confirmed]
[11:56] <Alpha_Cluster> ohh firestarter crashed and burned
[12:06] <compengi_> Warbo, check alsa mixer
[12:06] <compengi_> Warbo, maybe after the kernel update it was muted
[12:08] <Warbo> compengi_, what was muted? The problem is that my headphones are useless, since the speakers still output sound at the same volume when they are plugged in. If anything there is too much sound :P
[12:12] <yaccin> when i install a new language in kcontrol/systemsettings, why do i get firefox and gimp installed?
[12:12] <yaccin> i dont want them!
[12:12] <DanaG> Hmm, Totem won't let me enable subtitles.
[12:13] <Arwen> DanaG, heh, this is why I use MPlayer.
[12:14] <Arwen> anti-aliased subtitles are fun
[12:14] <DanaG> I use Kaffeine.
[12:15] <pwnguin> too bad mplayer tanks on a lot of high res stuff
[12:15] <sid> I'm trying to get the built-in camera in my Acer laptop to work. lots of guides say to compile this module and load it, but on Gutsy it's already done with this kernel. I just have to modprobe it.
[12:15] <sid> https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/linux-uvc-devel/2007-July/001889.html
[12:15] <sid> Should I compile it from trunk anyway? How can I tell what version the driver is?
[12:15] <pwnguin> totem recently has been doing better than mplayer for me on some more demanding videos
[12:15] <sid> http://rafb.net/p/EVWA9e40.html Is it possible to make this camera work in Ubuntu?
[12:15] <sid> that is my camera
[12:15] <pwnguin> but totem's controls over subtitling is... not good
[12:17] <tehk> Will gutsy ship with free flash?
[12:18] <sid> tehk: looks like it. it ships with it right now.
[12:19] <sid> tehk: You'll get a choice when flash is needed, it will install on the fly. so you can chose adobe, or gnash
[12:19] <tehk> sid, awesome. Is it able to atleast play youtube? If so amazing.
[12:19] <sid> yes, it plays youtube/google video
[12:19] <sid> there are some bugs, but it's definitely coming along nicely
[12:19] <tehk> wow - 64 bit is now an option for me
[12:19] <sid> see #gnash if you want to thank them
[12:20] <tehk> will do
[12:20] <RxDx> Update the topic, Tribe 5 is released
[12:27] <yaccin> great i just installed tribe 4 -_-
[12:27] <yaccin> *narf*
[12:43] <hwilde> anybody have j2sdk1.5 available?
[12:46] <sid> How can I use the microphone, audacity/vlc both show no input devices listed
[12:46] <sid> This is a new laptop, and I have a microphone port with a mic
[12:47] <sid> hmm, gnome-sound-recorder works fine.. but audacity and vlc show nothing listed
[12:59] <sid> ahh, mic works now
[12:59] <sid> just the damn webcam
[01:02] <AnRkey> tribe 5 is out for desktop, server and alternate on i386 and amd64 but is it gonna be built for PPC?
[01:03] <AnRkey> i have all the iso's but no PPC
[01:10] <voidmage> tribe 5 says that kde has the blue splash screen when loading kde now?
[01:10] <voidmage> how do I get that to show?