[12:10] <popey> BOING
[01:42] <tonyyarusso> ryanakca: you around?
[01:43] <ryanakca> tonyyarusso: yes
[01:43] <pleia2> evening tonyyarusso!
[01:43] <tonyyarusso> ryanakca: I had a pondering
[01:43] <tonyyarusso> hey pleia2 !
[01:43] <ryanakca> tonyyarusso: I finally added you to the team
[01:43] <tonyyarusso> Does Canonical ever offer hosting and web sites for projects other than LoCo teams, or are we just supposed to use the wiki?
[01:43] <ryanakca> I dunno...
[01:44] <pleia2> approved 3rd party teams can get webspace
[01:44] <ryanakca> ask them in their sysadmins channel... which has been idle for the past year
[01:44] <tonyyarusso> nah, I've seen activity in sysadmin
[01:44] <tonyyarusso> just not lots
[01:44] <ryanakca> hehe
[01:45] <tonyyarusso> The reason I ask is because I've been reading up on Drupal for a completely unrelated purpose, and thought some things about it sounded like they could be useful to us.
[01:45] <ryanakca> file an RT
[01:46] <tonyyarusso> Are we "approved"?
[01:46] <ryanakca> no
[01:46] <pleia2> nope, don't even have a mailing list yet
[01:46] <ryanakca> hehe
[01:46] <ryanakca> even though I filed it several weeks ago...
[01:46] <ryanakca> herm.
[01:47] <tonyyarusso> pleia2: I just bought "Building Online Communities with Drupal, phpBB, and WordPress" from Apress.  It's really good for the "I don't know anything yet and need to get off the ground" crowd.
[01:47] <pleia2> :o
[01:47] <pleia2> I might have to pester Apress for a "review copy"
[01:47] <tonyyarusso> I also go "Pro Drupal Development", which will be the next step, but substantially more complex.
[01:47] <pleia2> welcome popey!
[01:47] <popey> tonyyarusso: yes, non-locos can get hosting
[01:47] <ryanakca> popey: yep :)
[01:48] <popey> i run the screencast team and we have our (drupal) site hosted by canonical
[01:48] <tonyyarusso> popey: 'k, cool
[01:48] <pleia2> popey: is your team approved?
[01:48] <tonyyarusso> pleia2: Yeah, I need to start doing that.  I just signed up our LoCo for the user group programs with Apress and O'Reilly.
[01:48] <popey> uhm, no :)
[01:48] <tonyyarusso> And then went out and spent $185 on their books at Barnes & Noble anyway :S
[01:48] <popey> maybe i should add it to the schedule for approval
[01:48] <pleia2> tonyyarusso: O'Reilly is great if you actually write reviews, they'll nag you about asking for more books!
[01:49] <tonyyarusso> pleia2: That's not so bad - it would be good to be reminded
[01:49] <pleia2> popey: cool, so even unapproved teams can have space, how did you go about getting it?
[01:49] <popey> i kinda got it by the back door
[01:50] <popey> i suspect that we are not the best example
[01:50] <pleia2> ah, sneaky popey :)
[01:50] <popey> i note the mythbuntu people have also asked for hosting
[01:50] <popey> dunno if they got it yet
[01:50] <pleia2> I think the mythbuntu people had some trouble and they're approved, I just wondered if they didn't take the proper routes
[01:50] <ryanakca> hmm... can you just randomly decide to review, even though you've never done so before? I guess they take your credit card number, send you the book, and if you don't publish the review by x date, they charge you for it?
[01:50] <popey> ryanakca: if you need drupal help, just shout
[01:50] <pleia2> ryanakca: you say you're a LUG, give them your URL, they send you free books
[01:50] <popey> i run a few drupal sites
[01:51] <ryanakca> pleia2: cool
[01:51] <pleia2> ryanakca: nothing so formal as asking for a credit card :)
[01:51] <pleia2> if you don't review, oh well, but if you do - you get more! and they like yoU!
[01:51] <pleia2> lol
[01:51] <ryanakca> we had one... but it's been dead for the past 3-4 years
[01:51] <popey> ryanakca: had one what?
[01:51] <ryanakca> LUG
[01:51] <popey> oh
[01:52] <popey> where?
[01:52] <ryanakca> Kingston Linux User Group :)
[01:52] <popey> Kingston in..?
[01:52] <ryanakca> KLUG... http://www.klug.on.ca/
[01:52] <ryanakca> ontario, canada
[01:52] <popey> thanks
[01:52] <popey> there is a Kingston near me :)
[01:52] <tonyyarusso> ryanakca: just do it through Canada
[01:52] <popey> that's why I wondered
[01:53] <ryanakca> they've added counters to the website... but haven't held any meetings
[01:53] <ryanakca> tonyyarusso: yeah, CALUG... and... the lug address is my house...
[01:53] <tonyyarusso> ryanakca: I meant Ubuntu Canada
[01:53] <ryanakca> Ah... but, how would we share the books...
[01:53] <popey> lotto
[01:53] <ryanakca> would cost an arm and a leg on shipping from eastern canada to BC
[01:54] <pleia2> gosh, we are so off topic, people are actually here, I want to talk -classroom! :)
[01:54] <popey> heh
[01:54] <ryanakca> hehe
[01:54] <tonyyarusso> ryanakca: They don't have to ship to BC, so it depends on who wants it ;)
[01:54] <popey> not that I mind
[01:54] <tonyyarusso> Aaaaaanyway
[01:54] <jrib> hi
[01:54] <pleia2> popey: we're trying to relaunch classroom
[01:54] <ryanakca> popey: because you applied?
[01:54] <popey> i did!?
[01:54] <tonyyarusso> I was just pondering about site stuff for scheduling and posting logs and whatnot - drupal would work well
[01:54] <popey> must have been last time round :)
[01:55] <popey> tonyyarusso: what's wrong with the wiki?
[01:55] <pleia2> the wiki is great for now, but moving forward something more dynamic would be nice
[01:55] <popey> ok
[01:55] <popey> drupal has a nice calendar system
[01:55] <tonyyarusso> popey: well, eventually it gets limiting, particularly in the scheduling area.  The upload/linking files capability leaves something to be desired too.
[01:55] <ryanakca> nope, sept 30th
[01:55] <popey> we use it on the fridge
[01:55] <pleia2> if someone wants to put effort into getting us hosting, that's cool
[01:55] <pleia2> right now I'm sort of looking to focus on content more
[01:56] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[01:56] <popey> if it's just a drupal site I don't mind hosting it
[01:56] <pleia2> I don't know if it's a secret or not, but ubuntu open week is being scheduled
[01:56] <ryanakca> :D
[01:56] <tonyyarusso> I'm sort of in CMS-studying mode, since this is one of four(?) areas I'm looking into it for
[01:56] <tonyyarusso> pleia2: yay!
[01:56] <popey> handy page to be subscribed to :)
[01:57] <tonyyarusso> popey: name?
[01:57] <tonyyarusso> oh, just UbuntuOpenWeek
[01:57] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep
[01:58] <tonyyarusso> ah
[01:58] <pleia2> yep
[01:58] <popey> pleia2: did you want a domain, (ubuntuclassroom.org) or just a subdomain (classroom.ubuntu.com) or something else?
[01:58] <tonyyarusso> pleia2: haha, how would you have found out?  By asking about running a U-W session perhaps?
[01:59] <pleia2> popey: either one
[01:59] <tonyyarusso> popey: classroom. is more elegant and uniform
[01:59] <pleia2> tonyyarusso: Jono asked me to run the UW one
[01:59] <tonyyarusso> pleia2: ah, that works too
[02:01] <pleia2> mmm, so what else to talk about?
[02:02] <ryanakca> who we going to get to teach?
[02:02] <ryanakca> same people as last year or?
[02:02] <tonyyarusso> Do we want to try to have any sessions before open week, or just start up right away after?
[02:02] <tonyyarusso> Will we be doing any classroom sessions ourselves?
[02:02] <pleia2> tonyyarusso: start up after
[02:02] <tonyyarusso> (for ow)
[02:02] <ryanakca> bit of both... I might post something on planet asking for volunteers
[02:02] <ryanakca> year.
[02:03] <tonyyarusso> ryanakca: I'm thinking of asking for one volunteer from each LoCo.
[02:03] <pleia2> ryanakca: I think we can go through the presenters from last year and see if any are interested in doing their class again
[02:03] <ryanakca> yeah
[02:03] <jrib> are you planning on new topics or the same?
[02:03] <ryanakca> dunno.
[02:03] <tonyyarusso> some of each I suppose
[02:04] <pleia2> yeah, some of each
[02:04] <tonyyarusso> new ones would be better, but harder
[02:04] <ryanakca> I'd go for pretty much the same, but if we think up of anything new, sure
[02:04] <pleia2> I also liked that MOTU is doing sessions in here
[02:04] <pleia2> need to get more teams to do Q&A sessions that we promote
[02:04] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[02:04] <ryanakca> And, do we keep the same model, beginner-intermediate-advanced courses, or alternate between beginner-advanced type thing?
[02:04] <tonyyarusso> So, s/each LoCo/each LoCo and team/
[02:04] <pleia2> tonyyarusso: yeah
[02:05] <pleia2> ryanakca: I think we can sort of alternate, based on availability
[02:05] <tonyyarusso> ryanakca: not sure it has to be structured, as long as there is a mix of everything
[02:05] <ryanakca> also, umm... if you can hunt down the logs of the 2 person meeting gnomefreak and I had in #ubuntu-meeting a while back, we had lots of good points/ideas/etc in there
[02:05] <ryanakca> February-ish methinks
[02:05] <pleia2> where are logs from here kept?
[02:05] <tonyyarusso> !logs
[02:05] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs - See also !OpenWeek
[02:05] <pleia2> ty
[02:07] <popey> looks like older logs are purged
[02:08] <popey> http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&hs=Urh&q=pleia2+gnomefreak++site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fpeople.ubuntu.com%2F%7Efabbione%2Firclogs+ubuntu-meeting+classroom&btnG=Search&meta=
[02:08] <pleia2> they're in the archives/ directory
[02:09] <popey> ahhh
[02:10] <pleia2> well it wasn't feburary :)
[02:12] <ryanakca> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/archived/2007-01/ubuntu-meeting-2007-01-07.html
[02:12] <tonyyarusso> ryanakca: timestamp?
[02:13] <ryanakca> for?
[02:13] <tonyyarusso> your conversation
[02:13] <pleia2> ty
[02:13] <tonyyarusso> where's it start?
[02:13] <pleia2> 6:57
[02:13] <tonyyarusso> ok
[02:13] <tonyyarusso> oh yeah, I think I read this before
[02:14] <ryanakca> ping me when you're done
[02:21] <tonyyarusso> :P
[02:22] <tonyyarusso> another nifty part with drupal - that could be automated potentially
[02:22] <jroes> has there been any thought to ubuntu classroom screencasts?
[02:23] <jroes> I would say google-style lecture videos probably wouldn't be worth it, but a screencast with running commentary sounds neat
[02:23] <ryanakca> pleia2: see Classroom/Guidelines
[02:23] <popey> like http://screencasts.ubuntu.com jroes ?
[02:23] <popey> :)
[02:23] <tonyyarusso> jroes: There is a separate screencast team right now
[02:23] <tonyyarusso> Perhaps there would be some cause for helping them work together, but classroom has always been irc-oriented so far
[02:24] <jroes> haha
[02:24] <jroes> good one :)
[02:24] <popey> i completely agree
[02:24] <jroes> I like the irc format too though
[02:24] <jroes> hmm.  I didn't realize that most of this is geared towards using ubuntu
[02:24] <jroes> is there anything geared toward learning how to contribute?
[02:25] <pleia2> ryanakca: nice
[02:25] <ryanakca> jroes: there's open week
[02:26] <popey> not yet from the screencast team jroes, no, but that's a big part of the open week
[02:26] <popey> oh :)
[02:26] <pleia2> jroes: see topic
[02:26] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek jroes
[02:26] <pleia2> :)
[02:27] <pleia2> ok, I need to sneak out
[02:27] <pleia2> dentist on wednesday...
[02:27] <pleia2> stupid wisdom teeth
[02:27] <popey> :(
[02:28] <pleia2> and I'm 26! I'm too old for this ;)
[02:28] <popey> haha
[02:28] <pleia2> lucky
[02:28] <ryanakca> see yah pleia2
[02:28] <pleia2> ok, nite
[02:28] <ryanakca> hehe... *feels young*
[02:29] <popey> time for bed methinks.. nn all
[02:29] <ryanakca> night popey
[02:29] <jroes> hm, oct 22 and an empty schedule?  did dholbach2 just accidentally kill the schedule or is that from the previous open week?
[02:29] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep jroes
[02:30] <jroes> ahhhh
[02:30] <jroes> excellent, that is going to be an interesting week :)
[08:48] <pleia2> popey: congrats :)
[08:49] <popey> thanks :S
[08:49] <popey> kinda talked myself out of becoming official there :)
[08:51] <pleia2> heh :)
[08:51] <popey> well if we get a blog post out of mark, that'll help :)
[08:52] <pleia2> making it through a CC meeting even if you don't get an approval is fine (:
[08:52] <pleia2> your project is great


[00:55] <jjohansen> sarnold: like I said we already have some for profile attachment, its just clunky. But yeah better integration for both attachment and regular rules
[00:56] <jjohansen> I really want to get where we can do tainting, so that the profile confinement picks up a taint mark if it accesses non-verified files etc
[00:56] <jjohansen> and the taint mark can be used in conditionals
[00:57] <jjohansen> oh you opened confidential files, well now you can't save to ...
[00:59] <sarnold> ooooooooo
[01:28] <hallyn> bitta BLP goin on there
[01:29] <sarnold> heya hallyn :) yeah
[01:29] <hallyn> hey sarnold :)


[01:20] <Groggle> Does anyone know if KDE partition manager uses QT? I'm wondering why its fonts are so huge and ugly compared to the rest of my applications?
[01:23] <Groggle> The wikipedia entry told me. Sorry for having asked.
[01:42] <diego_> Hello, I have a bug that has already been reported.  The fix involves adding a PPA and updating plasma.  To my knowledge Plasma is already updated, so I'm a bit confused.  Would someone care to help me out?
[02:29] <DDR> Hi all. Sometimes when I'm taking a screenshot, everything disappears except for my mouse and my desktop background.
[02:30] <DDR> The mouse is still reactive in some capacity, mousing over invisible elements. Is there any way to reset things from the keyboard?
[02:30] <DDR> I usually just use the reset button on my computer, but that's a bit of a sledgehammer solution.
[04:15] <DrJ> xset dpms force off  <--trying to set a hot key for this to turn off my monitors whenever I want
[04:15] <DrJ> it works, but only for a second
[04:15] <DrJ> any ideas?
[04:15] <DrJ> they go black and then come right back
[04:16] <DrJ> to be clear: it works if I run the command via terminal
[04:16] <DrJ> but not if I apply a hotkey
[04:17] <ahoneybun> DrJ: make a script with the command and hook the script to the key
[04:17] <ahoneybun> maybe.
[04:17] <DrJ> will try
[04:18] <DrJ> :(
[04:18] <DrJ> didn't work
[04:19] <DrJ> made the command: ./home/jeremy/monitor
[04:19] <DrJ> and had xset dpms force off in the monitor file
[04:19] <DrJ> it did the same thing, off for a couple seconds then back
[04:20] <ahoneybun> not sure, have not mess with hotkeys in KDE
[04:20] <ahoneybun> just Unity, but very little
[04:22] <DrJ> okay
[04:22] <DrJ> feel free to call me an idiot
[04:22] <DrJ> I didn't hit apply after changing the command
[04:22] <DrJ> it does work :)
[04:23] <DrJ> thanks!
[04:23] <ahoneybun> yay :)
[04:24] <ahoneybun> I'm happy it worked DrJ
[04:24] <DrJ> yea, me too
[04:24] <DrJ> reason it is kind of important is the power button broke off my monitor
[04:24] <DrJ> well, one of the two
[04:25] <DrJ> only way for me to turn on/off my monitor the normal way is to use a flat head screw driver or something to complete the cicuit
[04:25] <DrJ> this is way easier
[04:29] <ahoneybun> oh boy
[05:19] <Finetunrda_> hey folks, muon updater has been notifying that there are updates, but when I open it up it says there's no updates. what gives?
[07:23] <snake-ssr> Hello
[09:03] <kubuntu5> hi all, I just install kubuntu 15.04, and its really buggy under redeon driver, it's running just fine if i'm using fglrx. I didn't get this on 14.10.. is there something i need to know about this?
[09:04] <kubuntu5> I prefer using radeon driver, its create additional and unecessary work if i have to install fglrx just to have smoth system..
[09:45] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:05] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:06] <Etienne> Hi :)
[11:08] <Etienne> I need help setting up fcitx on my system to write in japanese/chinese. I've got the whole thing working in the Configure Input Method window (I can actually switch and write in this window), but I cannot switch in any other window/app… Rebooting doesn't help. Any clues?
[11:47] <Etienne> ok, I posted on askubuntu… http://askubuntu.com/questions/650173/how-to-properly-set-up-fcitx-on-kubuntu-15-04
[12:13] <watsug> I activated "no border" by right clicking on a windows titlebar. How can I get the titlebar back?
[12:27] <watsug> I solved my problem with no border by pressing Alt F3 to open the window menu.
[12:28] <shiggitay_> hello
[12:48] <BluesKaj> watsug,  good tip
[12:54] <watsug> BluesKaj: Is there another way?
[12:58] <BluesKaj> watsug,  dunno
[12:59] <BluesKaj> I always use the borders
[12:59] <watsug> Me too, just tried it out and didn't know how to get them back :P
[13:00] <lordievader> That is allways the problem with that, but it forces you to learn ;)
[13:38] <z4g47> hi, i want conect to #kubuntu-es but show a advice  "#kubuntu-es Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited" some are conected to this channel for invit me?
[14:03] <mparillo> !es
[14:06] <Upside> hello
[14:07] <lordievader> o/
[14:08] <Upside> do you know how to resolve update-mime not found
[14:08] <Upside> ?
[14:08] <Upside> hdd bad sector effect
[14:09] <lordievader> Upside: If you have bad sectors the update-mime is the least of your troubles. Do you have a backup and a new hard-drive under way?
[14:10] <Upside> no i didn't have back up and another hard-drive :/
[14:10] <Upside> am i must re-install?
[14:11] <lordievader> No, take care of your backups first. When you have one bad sector more will follow. Eventually the disk will fail all together.
[14:11] <lordievader> Make a backup, now.
[14:11] <Upside> ok
[14:12] <Upside> but i didn't have another hard-drive or another storage drive
[14:12] <Upside> back up to another partition?
[14:15] <lordievader> That is not going to work. I'm afraid you'll have to buy a new drive to back up your important data.
[14:16] <Upside> yeah i didn't have important data
[14:18] <lordievader> Hmm, that it doesn't really matter. Still bad sectors degrade performance.
[14:19] <Upside> yeah because this bad sector i can't set .jpg to wallpaper :3
[14:20] <Upside> btw how many price to buy new hard-drive?
[14:20] <lordievader> Depends, here (NL) you can get 2Tb for 100 euros.
[14:21] <Upside> can you convert to usd?
[14:22] <Upside> i just need 320Gb :D
[14:23] <lordievader> Upside: Look up a web store in the us ;)
[14:23] <Upside> ok
[14:24] <Upside> btw between external hard-drive and internal hard-drive wich better?
[14:24] <Upside> i use this netbook from my mother office
[14:24] <Upside> so i didn't have netbook or pc
[14:25] <lordievader> The internal is likely going to be faster.
[14:25] <Upside> owh ok
[14:26] <Upside> can internal hard-drive become external hard-drive?
[14:28] <lordievader> An external harddrive is just an internal harddrive with a sata -> usb converter.
[14:29] <Upside> owh thanks and i'm sorry for my bad english :D peace
[14:30] <BluesKaj> I have 2 external drives with esata to sata connections , work well
[14:31] <BluesKaj> no need for usb
[14:31] <Upside> are you using cpu/pc?
[14:31] <lordievader> Yeah, there are others but the most common is sata -> usb.
[14:31] <lordievader> Upside: What?
[14:32] <Upside> no. i ask BluesKaj
[14:32] <Upside> :D
[14:33] <lordievader> Upside: Use someone's nick when you are addressing them.
[14:33] <Upside> i'm sorry :3
[14:37] <BluesKaj> Upside,  I just run the esata to sata cable thriugh a knockout on the back of mypc to the motherboard
[14:41] <BluesKaj> ubottu,  if you have newer laptop then you probly have at least one sata port
[14:42] <BluesKaj> Upside, ^ :-)
[14:44] <Upside> ehh what happen?
[14:46] <BluesKaj> sata is faster than usb
[14:50] <BluesKaj> utt not all laptops have a sata port , best to check first
[14:50] <BluesKaj> but
[14:51] <lordievader> Esata*, esata != sata.
[14:52] <lordievader> Every laptop nowadays has sata, not all have esata ports.
[15:00] <BluesKaj> yes, my lenovo has an esata port
[16:03] <digiorgi> In Konversation how can i disable the server notifications?
[16:07] <ahoneybun> digiorgi:  I only see "Connection Error" in Settings -> Configure Notifications...
[17:06] <sysop2> hi, how can I setup the wireless sharing to use my normal ip range so clients are not behind a nat?
[17:16] <sysop2> I see that dnsmasq is running with this option that says router and a 10. address and my wifi devices get ips in that range so I think I am close. any ideas?
[17:32] <regedit_> halp! mouse stopped working (can still maneuver with difficulties w keyboard) how do i reset it? what's the magic command?
[17:33] <regedit_> it's actually scrolling and even right-clicking, just not moving
[17:46] <regedit_> anyone please??...
[17:46] <lordievader> sysop2: Does your wireless nic support master/ap mode?
[17:47] <sysop2> it seems to. it works fine with the nat.
[17:47] <sysop2> if you know the command to check I will run it.
[17:48] <lordievader> sysop2: Could you provide me with the output of 'sudo iw info'?
[17:48] <sysop2> sure.
[17:50] <sysop2> http://pastebin.com/sqqNK6sd
[17:51] <lordievader> Ah right, I needed  'sudo iw list', sorry about that.
[17:51] <sysop2> oh ok brb
[17:53] <sysop2> under supported interface modes it says AP and AP/VLAN.
[17:54] <sysop2> or do you need the whole thing?
[17:54] <sysop2> it has more modes though.
[17:54] <lordievader> Nope, that is enough.
[17:54] <lordievader> sysop2: You want to look into hostapd, with hostapd you can create an access point for your network.
[17:56] <sysop2> thanks!  I  figured the built in gui might not be able to do this even with some tweeking but at least I have an option.
[18:22] <regedit> please help, touchpad acting erratic
[18:22] <regedit> scroll events when i'm not touching it, movement not registering
[19:27]  * bobbe sucks
[19:28] <bobbe> Okay... works
[20:06] <naftilos76> Hi, i have noticed that playing videos on vlc or dragon i can see something like a line scanning towards the bottom of the video which i would call frame dropping (not sure if that is true). That of course happens only on fast scenes and high resolutions. The cpu is not the issue because it is at 10-15% or something. I am n kubuntu 15.04. Is there anything i could do to make the video perform better? My lcd resolution is 1980x1080 and i am using the
[20:06] <naftilos76> integrated intel graphics in my I7 cpu. Does anybody have anything to advise?
[20:08] <ahoneybun> I have not seen that naftilos76
[20:08] <ahoneybun> but I just play some movies
[20:10] <naftilos76> it is not a big deal, i am just noticing it every now and then.
[20:11] <ahoneybun> naftilos76: your using the nonfree or free driver for the intel card?
[20:12] <ahoneybun> card/board
[20:13] <naftilos76> I am not sure which one it is
[20:13] <naftilos76> how can i know?
[20:14] <naftilos76> i have not added any extra repos to download any deb packages from non-official sources
[20:22] <ahoneybun> naftilos76: sorry had to do something
[20:22] <ahoneybun> naftilos76: you can open up Driver Manager and check
[20:23] <ahoneybun> but most likely you have the free one
[20:24] <naftilos76> I did that, all i can see is "Using Processor microcode firmware for Intel CPUs from intel-microcode"
[20:26] <naftilos76> this is a laptop and it has also got a Nvidia Gefrce 840M. The same thing happens when i use the nvidia. I switched to the integrated for less consumption
[20:26] <ahoneybun> not sure I' have not see that "line"
[20:26] <ahoneybun> naftilos76: oh you have nvidia optimus
[20:27] <naftilos76> i have disabled nvidia from bios and now i can only see the intel in "driver manager"
[20:27] <naftilos76> it doesn't really make any difference
[20:31] <soee_> its screan tearing
[20:31] <soee_> do you have hybrid graphic ?
[20:31] <naftilos76> yep
[20:32] <soee_> on intel yu have the ame problem ?
[20:32] <naftilos76> on both
[20:32] <soee_> strange it works pretty good for me on intel
[20:32] <naftilos76> not a problem, more like an imperfection
[20:33] <naftilos76> are you on 15.04?
[20:33] <naftilos76> resolution?
[20:33] <soee_> but be sure to disable compositor for fullscreen windows
[20:33] <soee_> and second tging
[20:34] <soee_> Tearing Prevention (vsync): to fulscrean repaints
[20:34] <naftilos76> I just noticed that it does not happens when i switch to full screen!
[20:34] <naftilos76> does not happen
[20:35] <naftilos76> it only happens in window mode
[20:36] <naftilos76> full screen window is the worst case but when i double click on the video and it goes full screen then the artifacts go away
[20:36] <naftilos76> i just realized, sorry guys.
[20:37] <soee_> naftilos76: check if both settings imentioned are set in System Settings -> Display & Monitor -> Compositor
[20:40] <naftilos76> i did that and i am still getting the issue.
[20:40] <naftilos76> should i reboot?
[20:43] <soee> naftilos76: nope it should work after setting it
[20:44] <naftilos76> soee_, the setting you are referring to does not get stored. If i get back to the settings it is not selected
[20:44] <naftilos76> i get a warning that this is not compatible with all kinds of graphics cards
[20:44] <soee> ignore this warnign
[20:44] <naftilos76> it could work with the nvidia
[20:46] <naftilos76> i will give it a try
[21:50] <nmgchrome> when trying to send a file to the trash I get a "cannot rename" error


[01:16] <acheronuk> Still no release. I'll update links in the morning my time if you have not and they are out :)
[01:17] <acheronuk> For now... ZZZZzzzz
[02:16] <valorie> sleep well and sweet dreams, acheronuk
[03:34] <valorie> btw, reboot after upgrading nvidia driver was success; on the new kernel now
[06:49] <valorie> the isos have been released
[06:49] <valorie> I've written the draft for a news story
[06:49] <valorie> I dunno how to fix the download page so acheronuk's morning is plenty good!
[06:50] <tsimonq2> Look at Lubuntu, announcement already done :D http://lubuntu.me/lubuntu-artful-atque-vale-released/
[06:50] <tsimonq2> <3
[07:49] <valorie> ah, I should have put in "Please note that the Meltdown and Spectre vulnerabilities have not been fixed in this ISO, so we advise that if you install this ISO, update directly after."
[07:49] <valorie> acheronuk: ^^^
[07:50] <valorie> tsimonq2: already blogged about zsync though
[07:50] <valorie> :-)
 hmmm. clive deleted his telegram :/
[20:24] <valorie> sorry, off to an afternoon gensoc research workshop, but I see that the story isn't on kub.org
[20:24] <valorie> it's there as a draft if we want it
[20:24] <valorie> ciao
[20:44] <acheronuk> didn't even notice that was there!
 Sorry folks, got to back to my mum, can't get Kafe stuff finished for a while yet.


[02:34] <kenvandine> racarr, pong
[03:44] <duflu_> racarr: ubuntu-device-flash touch --help
[03:58] <duflu> The non-obvious bit is that --help gives a different answer according to context
[04:02] <racarr> duflu: I guess that was the one that I found not to work actually
[04:02] <racarr> --recovery-image (which I copied from the PES wiki)
[04:03] <racarr> I still dont end up with adb in recovery
[04:03] <racarr> and have to fastboot flash
[04:03] <racarr> I dunno
[04:03] <racarr> the USB issues make it hard to understand
[04:03] <racarr> what really happened
[04:03] <racarr> I have a cable/port combo that seems steayd now though
[05:07] <anpok> RAOF: hrhr
[05:08] <RAOF> anpok: Yeah, rad isn't it?
[05:08]  * RAOF just had to finish it over the weekend.
[05:09] <anpok> havent grasped it yet
[05:11] <anpok> i spent this weekend restarting the compile time widget tree thing.. and even uploaded it..
[05:36] <RAOF> Oooh, InputSender. That's what I'm after!
[05:37] <tjaalton> hm no ancell? wonder if the xmir patch is going upstream soon, 1.18 is finally about to freeze
[05:37] <tjaalton> xserver
[09:13] <duflu> greyback: Does unity8 always have GL_BLEND on (regardless of surface pixel format)?
[09:18] <greyback_> duflu: sorry, wifi dropped
[09:20] <greyback_> duflu: it doesn't always have blending enabled. It first draws opaques front to back with blending disabled but depth masking enabled. Then non-opaques are drawn back to front with blending enabled
[09:20] <duflu> greyback_: So "opaque" is XRGB as opposed to ARGB
[09:20] <duflu> ?
[09:20] <duflu> Depending on the surface pixel format
[09:21] <greyback_> duflu: anything in the qml not needing an alpha channel
[09:21] <greyback_> the surface format for mir, we've probably chosen XRGB
[09:22] <greyback_> mainly because it'll always work. But we're working on more intelligently selecting the mir surface format, to improve perf
[09:22] <duflu> greyback_: I've got hints that Unity8 might be blending XRGB as if it was ARGB. Admittedly Mir demo servers have the same bug. I was just wondering if we're all affected
[09:22] <greyback_> duflu: is possible, unity8 does the same thing as mir in that respect
[09:36] <duflu> alf_: Feel like chatting today?
[09:37] <alf_> duflu: coming
[10:22] <mcphail> greyback_: do you think the blending contributes to this bug? : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl2/+bug/1460149
[10:28] <greyback_> mcphail: not directly, but I suspect the sdl's surface may be using a mir surface format with an alpha channel, making unity8 blend it. Would have to dig to learn more
[10:28] <mcphail> greyback_: just interested as to why the aberrant blending clears when you swipe the app away
[12:44] <greyback_> /usr/lib/gcc-cross/arm-linux-gnueabihf/4.9/../../../../arm-linux-gnueabihf/bin/ld: ../../gmock/libs/gtest/libgtest.a(gtest-all.cc.o): relocation R_ARM_THM_MOVW_ABS_NC against `__stack_chk_guard' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
[12:44] <greyback_> ../../gmock/libs/gtest/libgtest.a: error adding symbols: Bad value
[12:45] <greyback_> ^^ I get that building mir in my arm Xcompile chroot. Would libgtest.a not be compiled with -fPIC?
[13:39] <kdub> greyback_, libgtest.a seems to be compiled with fPIC from the mir build system
[13:40] <kdub> alf_, was curious, is it the mg::DisplayBuffer/mg::Display system that has the gl stuff baked in the most? or is there somewhere else
[13:40] <greyback_> kdub: yeah. Am still confused
[13:41] <kdub> greyback_, using sbuild?
[13:41] <greyback_> kdub: yes
[13:41]  * kdub did that a day or two ago, seemed okay, after updating with -udacr
[13:42] <alf_> kdub: Excellent timing :) I have started a document with a tentative plan about removing gl dependencies (including where these dependencies are in the code). Will post a link of a first draft before EOD today.
[13:47] <kdub> alf_, cool, I just felt compelled to point out that mg::DisplayBuffer::post_renderables_if_optimizable is really not posting anymore
[13:48] <kdub> and mg::DisplayBuffer is mostly about content, which seems good for abstracting the gl bits out
[17:21] <kenvandine> racarr, you pinged me last night?
[17:57] <racarr> kenvandine: Oh hey sorry yeah I think I've since resolved my question
[17:57] <racarr> I was trying to narrow down what may be triggering the text input failure...because
[17:58] <racarr> just uh
[17:58] <racarr> Like making an autopilot keyboard object from python
[17:58] <racarr> typing
[17:58] <racarr> doing stuff
[17:58] <racarr> typing doing stuff
[17:58] <racarr> seemingly infinitely never triggers it
[17:58] <racarr> s/seemingly infinitely/for a few minutes/
[17:58] <racarr> So I was trying to find a collection of tests to trigger it but I have a few now...
[17:58] <racarr> its hard to find the common element the
[17:58] <racarr> lol
[17:58] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:58] <kenvandine> sucks
[17:58] <racarr> the autopilot tests aren't easy to read
[17:58] <kenvandine> nope
[17:58] <racarr> because theres so much inheritance of implementation
[17:59] <racarr> Its like
[17:59] <racarr> I dunno
[17:59] <racarr> I tried tracing base classes up and
[17:59] <racarr> butttt
[17:59] <racarr> hard to isolate anything
[17:59] <racarr> so my new strategy is instrument USC :)
[17:59] <kenvandine> i don't think it has anything to do with the system-settings autopilot tests
[17:59] <kenvandine> well
[17:59] <racarr> well...it may have something to do with autopilot though
[17:59] <kenvandine> we're using the keyboard input provided from the uitk i think
[18:00] <kenvandine> yeah
[18:00] <racarr> like I said with just the fake uinput thing
[18:00] <racarr> I can't trigger it
[18:00] <kenvandine> it's triggered by something autopilot is doing
[18:00] <kenvandine> also... i think it's more than just the fake keyboard
[18:00] <kenvandine> there is a fake mouse too for touch events
[18:00] <kenvandine> also uinput
[18:00] <racarr> that stops working?
[18:00] <racarr> yes so I thought
[18:00] <kenvandine> yes
[18:00] <racarr> this was all related
[18:00] <racarr> to uinput
[18:00] <racarr> which according to the bug is what is being used in autopilot now
[18:01] <racarr> and it seems that the problem is
[18:01] <kenvandine> yeah
[18:01] <racarr> the unity8 session loses focus
[18:01] <kenvandine> and mir starts discarding the events
[18:01] <racarr> loses keyboard focus
[18:01] <racarr> mm
[18:01] <kenvandine> from what dandrader said
[18:01] <racarr> Yeah I confirmed that unless im only seeing part of the bug
[18:02] <racarr> I haven't seen any unity8 crashes for example so far
[18:02] <racarr> and don't understand where that comes in
[18:02] <kenvandine> yeah...
[18:02] <kenvandine> that wasn't related
[18:02] <kenvandine> i don't think
[18:02] <racarr> ok :)
[18:02] <kenvandine> well, we saw the same unity8 crash everytime we had run into this
[18:02] <racarr> yeah that was my other question.
[18:02] <racarr> ah
[18:02] <kenvandine> but the crash stopped
[18:02] <kenvandine> and this kept happening :)
[18:02] <kenvandine> so unrelated
[18:02] <kenvandine> it was a distraction from the real problem
[18:03] <kenvandine> racarr, it affects at least webbrowser-app and ubuntu-system-settings
[18:03] <kenvandine> but likely more too
[18:03] <kenvandine> we just have long autopilot tests
[18:04] <kenvandine> i think we've had the problem intermittently for a while, we used to have random failures where it seemed to stop getting the uinput events
[18:04] <kenvandine> touch stuff
[18:04] <greyback> crazy idea: could there be a test pressing down a meta key, and crashing before that key is released?
[18:04] <kenvandine> but re-running it would pass
[18:04] <kenvandine> now it's consistent
[18:04] <kenvandine> i haven't had a passing CI run in settings in 2 weeks
[18:05] <kenvandine> greyback, i don't think so
[18:05] <greyback> worth a shot :)
[18:05] <kenvandine> i'm pretty sure i've hit it when tests that didn't even use the keyboard
[18:05] <racarr> greyback: That's a good idea but I think it wouldn't explain the focus behavior
[18:05] <kenvandine> just the fake mouse events stop
[18:05] <racarr> which im 99% sure isn't a red herring
[18:06] <racarr> wait the fake mouse events stop oO
[18:06] <kenvandine> makes sense though
[18:06] <kenvandine> because of focus
[19:32] <racarr|lunch> yay just catching up on MLs...anpoks libinput changes are landing :)
[19:36] <anpok> hum .. time to say goodbye
[19:37] <anpok> .. to those hp/webos usb cables
[19:54] <racarr> kenvandine: After upgrading arale to r50 from
[19:54] <racarr> ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en
[19:55] <racarr> The test I was using autopilot3 run ubuntu_system_settings.tests.test_search.SearchTestCases.test_search_filter_results
[19:55] <racarr> doesnt fail anymore after like 25 times
[19:55] <kenvandine> oh?
[19:55] <racarr> I was on either 48 or 49 yesterday
[19:55] <kenvandine> any idea what change fixed it?
[19:55] <racarr> I Was wondering 1. Could you suggest some other tests. 2. Can you try upgrading as well?
[19:56] <racarr> No...lol...
[19:56] <kenvandine> i mostly care about wily, since that's what CI runs on
[19:57] <kenvandine> racarr, try running the full suite
[19:58] <racarr> kenvandine: Running :)
[19:58] <racarr> I don't think I've ever put wily on my uh
[19:58] <racarr> arale...is it
[19:58] <racarr> ubuntu-touch/devel/meizu.en?
[19:58] <kenvandine> not sure off hand, i have it on my mako
[19:59]  * kenvandine checks channel
[19:59] <kenvandine> ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu
[19:59] <kenvandine> racarr, that's the channel i have on my mako
[20:00] <racarr> ok thanks :) anyway full suite running now
[20:00] <kenvandine> racarr, ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/meizu.en
[20:00] <racarr> changing laundry...uh
[20:00] <kenvandine> is for arale
[20:00] <kenvandine> racarr, thx
[20:00] <racarr> then I guess I can switch to latest wily
[20:00] <racarr> and see whats going on
[20:00] <racarr> I was just trying to test with an
[20:00] <racarr> instrumented USC to try and understand
[20:00] <racarr> but then before I was like ok first
[20:00] <racarr> clean image and reproduce
[20:00] <racarr> and now I can't reprouce anymore lol
[20:01] <kenvandine> might be a good sign :)
[20:01] <racarr> probably but not understanding is frustrating...
[20:03] <kenvandine> i'm updating my mako and will try the tests too
[20:16] <racarr> kenvandine: Aghhh I managed to trigger it...
[20:16] <racarr> I guess it was just being elusive
[20:16] <racarr> :/
[20:16] <kenvandine> ok
[20:34] <racarr> is there a way to work with the citrain on vivid + overlay without
[20:34] <racarr> writing apt pins, etc...?
[20:36] <anpok> i think you no longer have to
[20:37] <anpok> racarr: the current phablet tools should already do that
[20:37] <anpok> at least after i used an unbroken cable.. a current image from the right channel.. it finally worked
[20:46] <kgunn> yeah robru said you shouldn't have to pin with overlay
[20:46] <racarr> hmm
[20:55] <racarr> I have a plausible theory about the text input bug now!
[20:55] <racarr> 1. An autopilot test eventually fails because that happens with the timeouts and stuff causing mirscreencast to be invoked
[20:56] <racarr> 2. Bug in surfaceless session management with mirscreencast
[20:56] <racarr> connecting and disconnecting
[20:56] <racarr> causes
[20:56] <racarr> focus to be cleared when
[20:56] <racarr> mirscreencast closes
[20:56] <racarr> instead of
[20:57] <racarr> unity8
[20:57] <racarr> I kind of see a plausible path in the code but its hard to tell whats happening because
[20:57] <racarr> um
[20:57] <racarr> as far as I can tell there are two window managers in USC
[20:57] <racarr> lol
[20:58] <racarr> WindowManager seems to take care of like focusing sessions when sessions are removed and stuff like that
[20:58] <racarr> but then so does SessionSwitcher oO
[20:58] <racarr> anyway...I feel good about this theory but I'm still struglging to test anything
[20:58] <racarr> I needed to install the mir 0.14 ppa to build USC trunk with my instrumentation on vivid+overlay of course
[20:58] <racarr> but mir 0.14 ppa did not work on vivid+overlay for me
[20:58] <racarr> (u8 crashes after 3-4 seconds)
[20:58] <racarr> so now I'm trying to test with wily...
[21:00] <racarr> in particular usc::WindowManager l115 auto const next_session = session_coordinator->successor_of({});
[21:00] <racarr> I can't see why that would be the right value...
[21:02] <racarr> hmm and this code is in mir now in system_compositor_window_manager
[21:02] <racarr> with some modifications
[21:02] <racarr> too bad about no Alan...
[21:03] <racarr> Interesting ok
[21:03] <racarr> I guess the SurfaceReadyObserver
[21:03] <racarr> may be bale to prevent screencast from stealing focus...
[21:03] <racarr> (a new introduction to the logic when it was imported)
[21:34] <racarr> um so both vivid and wily+overlay
[21:34] <racarr> the mir 0.14 ppa
[21:34] <racarr> unity8 crashes within seconds on arale
[21:34] <racarr> has anyone else tested it?
[21:35] <anpok> the ppa is incomplete.
[21:35] <anpok> i was waiting for platform api and qtubuntu to land
[21:36] <racarr> oh
[21:37] <racarr> anpok: When is that expected?
[21:38] <anpok> it just happened for wily
[21:39] <anpok> it now needs to be synced to vivid+overlay... but at least the lp branches are updated.. so I guess I can build it..
[21:39] <racarr> anpok: :D That would help me
[22:32] <kenvandine> Ran 135 tests in 2750.871s
[22:32] <kenvandine> OK
[22:32] <kenvandine> racarr, ^^ on my mako with wily
[22:32] <kenvandine> that hasn't happened in 2 weeks
[22:33] <kenvandine> maybe it was a fluke... or maybe something's been fixed?
[22:40] <racarr> kenvandine: So uh...yeah I also got
[22:40] <racarr> well right I ran that one test like 30 times and
[22:40] <racarr> then saw dozens in the test suite complete
[22:40] <racarr> before failing
[22:40] <racarr> so its possible the race has just gotten
[22:40] <racarr> way tinier lol...
[22:41] <racarr> though, right I still haven't tested wily! my result was from vivid + overlay
[23:53] <RAOF> racarr: With your input sending reworkything, were you thinking of having mf::Surface have a send_event method?


[01:07] <Pendulum> AlanBell: see I did get it done :P
[01:54] <cprofitt> Pendulum: just curious where we want to put the header guidelines...
[01:55] <cprofitt> my thought was as a sub-page of the accessibility wiki, but I wanted to confirm
[01:56] <Pendulum> hmm... good question
[01:56] <Pendulum> accessibility wiki makes sense and we can move them if it turns out they're better suited somewhere else?
[01:56] <cprofitt> ok -- I will make it there
[01:57] <cprofitt> how many folks do we have in accessibility? Are there any folks who would mentor BT folks towards assisting accessibility?
[01:58] <Pendulum> we don't have a huge number right now
[01:58]  * cprofitt nods
[01:58] <cprofitt> I might take the accessibility part and put it under another FG until we grow a bit then
[01:58] <cprofitt> perhaps under the dev fg...
[01:58] <cprofitt> or bugs
[01:58] <cprofitt> there are really two parts -- building accessible apps,... testing accessibility
[01:59] <Pendulum> nigelb and charlie-tca both do bug stuff
[01:59] <Pendulum> AlanBell does some testing
[01:59] <cprofitt> yeah...
[01:59] <cprofitt> and we have an active bugs-FG and dev-FG
[02:00] <cprofitt> hgghd is going to join BT to mentor the bugs-fg
[02:00] <MichelleQ1> I can do what I can to encourage testing, too.
[02:01] <MichelleQ1> Can't help with technical specifics, but I *can* help think of things that need to be tested for varying abilities, etc.
[02:01] <cprofitt> MichelleQ1: cool... and you are joing as well...
[02:01] <cprofitt> I am thinking we can get a sep. accessibility FG formed, but perhaps not right away
[02:02] <Pendulum> yeah
[02:02] <MichelleQ1> just holler when/if there's something I can do to help.  :-)
[02:03] <Pendulum> I'd love to say we have definite mentors, but right now i think so many of us are over stretched that it's not necessarily possible
[02:03] <cprofitt> Pendulum: I understand...
[02:03] <cprofitt> so I think I get some -dev and -bugs folks working with accessibility
[02:03] <cprofitt> get your team better staffed
[02:03] <Pendulum> :)
[02:03] <cprofitt> then we can make those folks mentors once they know your team well enough
[02:03] <cprofitt> and you guys approve of them
[02:03] <cprofitt> slow, but steady pace
[02:04] <Pendulum> *nods*
[15:56] <Pendulum> TheMuso: is there a chance you and I can do a quick meeting at some point between now and Thursday? (you name a time and I'll figure out how to make it :) )
[18:52] <charlie-tca> hm, first natty bug filed against the alternate image. No audio for screen-reader install
[18:54] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: will you be able to make the meeting Wednesday?
[18:54] <Pendulum> have the alternate images ever had screen reader support?
[18:56] <charlie-tca> I don't know, but it an option available during the installation process
[18:56] <Pendulum> ah, ok
[18:56] <charlie-tca> Pendulum: yes, I will make the meeting
[18:56] <charlie-tca> my thought is if you give me the option, it should work
[18:57] <Pendulum> yeah, I agree there
[18:58] <charlie-tca> yay! got david barth adding a11y to unity bugs
[18:59] <Pendulum> :)


[23:11] <micahg> hi!, I like to solve the issue of edubuntu-dev granting extra rights to its managers (DMB and Edubuntu Council), I proposed creating a team owned by the DMB, containing the DMB and Edubuntu Council, to own edubuntu-dev, opinions?
[23:16] <highvoltage> stgraber: ^^^ that's what I was telling you about earlier


[00:37] <drpresident> i need some help with nexus 4 mako
[00:37] <drpresident> ive been trying to get ubuntu touch on it for a couple days now, and cant get past the ubuntu recovery.
[00:37] <drpresident> after running ubuntu-device-flash, it installs, restarts to recovery, but quits when it doesnt see my device in recovery mode, then my device boots back to android.
[00:38] <drpresident> I think the main problem is my computer not recognizing the phone when its in recovery mode, but I cant figure out how to fix it
[00:41] <drpresident> i would love any suggestions, im running out of ideas
[00:43] <dobey> drpresident: flash android 4.4 stock, boot to android, reboot to bootloader, and then do ubuntu-device-flash with --bootstrap; my guess is you have newer android installed, and there's a conflict between what ubuntu needs and what you have
[00:44] <drpresident> ok ill give that a try, but I believe ive tried with both 4.4 and 4.2
[00:45] <drpresident> is 4.4 the optimal version for installing ubuntu?
[00:45] <dobey> 4.4 is what the ubuntu image is based on
[00:45] <drpresident> alright thanks
[00:48] <drpresident> does it make sense that having the wrong android version would allow it to boot ubuntu recovery, but not be shown wih lsusb?
[00:48] <dobey> not sure why that would be
[00:49] <drpresident> yeah cant get it to show on debian, ubuntu, or windows 7
[00:49] <drpresident> so after i flash ubuntu, it quits after "waiting for device to enter recovery"
[01:01] <dobey> maybe try different usb port or cable too
[01:10] <dobey> anyway, i need to go
[01:10] <dobey> good luck
[01:14] <drpresident> alright thanks for the help!
[13:01] <daker> dobey: hi you are right about the push notification stuff, not sure why but the app was installed using the IDE, but once launched inside the phone using the IDE, i got the token and the notification was sent to the phone
[14:16] <dobey> daker: cool. not sure why the apparmor was messing up before
[14:17] <daker> dobey: i guess it's the IDE
[19:10] <studio_> hi all
[19:11] <studio_> hmm, is ubuntu-touch dead meat? so, why?
[19:12] <studio_> i am confused about that ...
[19:13] <studio_> didn't the developers hear about the users problems?
[19:14] <studio_> come on bots, what was the problem?
[19:14] <studio_> ;)
[19:15] <studio_> sil2100, onother bot left the room ...
[19:16] <studio_> how many bots are still there?
[19:18] <studio_> dobey, orga_,popey are your still here ?
[19:19] <dobey> no
[19:19] <studio_> lol :)
[19:19] <studio_> comon, is the "project" dead?
[19:19] <dobey> no
[19:20] <studio_> new devices - new ubuntu touch?
[19:20] <dobey> that's not a sentence
[19:20] <studio_> so what is the sentence?
[19:21] <dobey> i can't read your mind. i don't know what you're trying to ask. please formulate a question as a grammatically valid sentence
[19:22] <studio_> I try to ask, are all old ubuntu-touch devices eol = dead?
[19:22] <dobey> canonical/ubuntu does not make devices though. manufacturers decide when new devices will happen, not us
[19:22] <dobey> was there some announcement that said those devices are now EOL?
[19:24] <studio_> canonical need a new kernel, for exp. for the bq e4.5 - here is a new kernel: https://github.com/Pablito2020/alps_kernel_bq_krillin
[19:25] <studio_> so where is the problem for a new ubuntu-touch version for the bq e4.5?
[19:27] <dobey> it is impossible to have any amount of reasonable discussion with you
[19:27] <genii> BQ is the one who makes releases for the Aquarius line, not Canonical
[19:28] <dobey> the e4.5 is quite old, the fact it hasn't been EOLed already, and has been getting updates, is a better record than most all android devices
[19:32] <dobey> but no, it's not likely that the e4.5 will get a major update to a 16.04 snappy based image.
[19:33] <studio_> genii, so why nobody is helping this private person? he released a new linageos https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6w8rvoi1nudc1VJOFA2d3BOZGs
[19:33] <dobey> it's a very old device at this point
[19:33] <studio_> with a new kernel
[19:33] <dobey> ask him; this channel isn't about "linageos"
[19:34] <dobey> or lineageos
[19:34] <studio_> ehm, but canonical allways tells, it needs a new kernel for the bq e4.5/e5.0 ...
[19:35] <dobey> no
[19:36] <dobey> i'm pretty sure the claim is that a newer kernel and arm64 are going to be necessary for officially supported snappy core based images for phones/tablets
[19:37] <studio_> no? so new os, core/snappy is still running on the bg e4.5/e5.0?
[19:37] <dobey> please stop running in circles
[19:38] <studio_> circle? there is no wiki about that on ubuntu ...
[19:39] <dobey> yes. you asked a question and had it answered. and then you try to ask the same question in a different way. and you keep doing it. it's part of the reason you got banned numerous times before.
[19:40] <studio_> dobey, where id i ever asked about running bq e4.5/e5.0 with snappy/core, are you kidding???
[19:41] <dobey> *sigh*
[19:41] <studio_> yeah :(
[19:45] <studio_> hope your investor is willing to pay you without any ssuccess ... you'll never find a better job ...
[19:45] <studio_> :(
[19:47] <k1l_> studio_: what about you stop insulting the users and developers. that doesnt help but only gets you banned again. we had this too often with you already
[19:50] <studio_> k1l_, ich würde gerne helfen. aber man will sich hier nicht helfen lassen. Da kannst Du mosern wie du möchtest, das letzte OS ist halt für das BQ E4.5: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6w8rvoi1nudc1VJOFA2d3BOZGs und das hat halt einen neuen Kernel!
[19:51] <dobey> use english please
[19:51] <studio_> new kernel for BQ E4.5  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6w8rvoi1nudc1VJOFA2d3BOZGs
[19:51] <studio_> :)
[19:51] <k1l_> studio_: you are not helping when you insult others or putting them under pressure.
[19:51] <dobey> no it is not
[19:52] <dobey> kernels for bq devices come from bq, not from zip files on random google drive shares
[19:52] <studio_> dobey, no , why not?
[19:52] <dobey> if you want to download random kernels and run them on your device, that's up to you. that is not how retail support chains work, however
[19:53] <studio_> dobey, what kernel is the bq E4.5/E5.0 using for ubuntu touch?
[19:53] <popey> ~3.4
[19:53] <studio_> so thats old!
[19:53] <dobey> the ubuntu images for krillin/vegeta are 3.4 from the android 4.4 tree for those devices
[19:53] <dobey> yes, they are old phones
[19:54] <studio_> did you checked the git?
[19:54] <dobey> so your goal isn't to help, but to come in here and harass developers
[19:55] <studio_> dobey, how to port the "krillin" for a new kernel?
[19:55] <dobey> and again, you are ignoring what was said earlier
[19:56] <dobey> https://github.com/bq is where bq publishes their git repositories
[19:56] <dobey> not "Pablito2020"
[19:56] <dobey> e4.5/e5 are also not arm64
[19:57] <studio_> so the flash-tool understood the new kernel?
[19:57] <dobey> ubuntu-device-flash doesn't understand any kernels
[19:57] <dobey> it doesn't care about kernels
[19:58] <studio_> so it is not "uesefull"
[19:58] <dobey> *sigh*
[19:58] <studio_> yeah :(
[20:01] <studio_> so why ubuntu-device-flash isn't updated to the last kernel for the bq e4.5/e5.0?
[20:02] <dobey> because you aren't running your own system-image server with custom built images to your liking
[20:02] <studio_> what?
[20:04] <studio_> what is the latest image with the the latest kernel? plz what channel?
[20:04] <popey> rc-proposed, and will be 3.4
[20:04] <studio_> 3.4 is old, again!
[20:04] <dobey> as it has been for the past 2.5 years
[20:05] <popey> you asked the same question
[20:05] <popey> you got the same answer
[20:05] <dobey> so is the bq e4.5
[20:05] <dobey> it is old.
[20:05] <popey> if you want different answers, ask different questions
[20:05] <dobey> and not a different question that leads to the same answer
[20:05] <studio_> popey, did you ever made an update to your E4.5/E5.0 on Android?
[20:06] <popey> I never ran android on any bq device
[20:06] <studio_> try it!
[20:06] <popey> No thank you.
[20:06] <dobey> this is not #android
[20:07] <studio_> so where is the problem with the bq e4.5/e5.0 and snappy?
[20:07] <dobey> that was already answered
[20:07] <studio_> where?
[20:08] <dobey> numerous places, but in here, about 30 minutes ago
[20:10] <studio_> dobey, could you please so kindly to repeat your answer: why isn't the bq e4.5/e5.0 working with smappy?
[20:10] <studio_> snappy
[20:10] <dobey> no. you can read the scrollback
[20:11] <studio_> thanks that you have no answer for that
[20:12] <studio_> so ubuntu-touch is dead meat?
[20:12] <k1l_> studio_: stop that
[20:12] <dobey> no
[20:13] <studio_> k1l_, böser onkel, ich frag doch nur ...
[20:13] <k1l_> studio_: with your aggressive method you will not make anyone ship a more recent kernel for the aquaris devices.
[20:13] <dobey> android isn't dead because the galaxy nexus no longer gets updates
[20:13] <k1l_> studio_: no, you are annoying and insulting
[20:14] <dobey> studio_: the official language of this channel is english. if you want to rant in german, please go to a german channel.
[20:14] <studio_> k1l_, ich bin nich aggresiv, wie du schreibst, nur interessiert ...
[20:15] <k1l_> studio_: no, you are not "just interested". you are anooing and aggressiv. you are that way since years now. and that way is not helping. you should have seen that alreday.
[20:15] <dobey> i'm not sure what's worse. trying to talk to republicans, or studio_.
[20:18] <studio_> dobey, is there a german channel for ubuntu-touch - i don't think so, because the germans don't like to be pranked ...
[20:19] <dobey> k1l_: can we just ban him again perhaps? this is getting old.
[20:20] <dobey> thanks
[20:20] <k1l_> np
[20:21] <k1l_> i still cant believe that he thinks this is helpfull in any way.
[20:22] <davmor2> k1l_: I think that sentence is 6 words too long
[20:23] <dobey> it seems to me that the problem is rather that he does not
[20:25] <dobey> (think)
[21:01] <daker> dobey: any idea about the push notification helper ? the notification is delivered to the server, but the helper is failing https://paste.ubuntu.com/23990849/
[21:01] <dobey> daker: the halper has to print JSON to stdout. that error suggests stoud is empty
[21:02] <dobey> s/stoud/stdout/
[21:02] <daker> dobey: yeah i am using the helper from the doc
[21:03] <daker> i'll try to do a print inside the helper to see something get printed
[21:03] <dobey> daker: ok, well i'm not sure beyond that, but it looks to me like the error there is enough to point you in the right direction
[21:04] <dobey> daker: you can just cat an example json of a push message from the server, into your helper, on console, and see what happens, too
[21:05] <dobey> iirc, the "API" there is read in from stdin, and print to stdout
[21:20] <daker> dobey: not sure how to do that, even adding some print function doesn't output anything
[21:20] <dobey> daker: cat example.json | my-push-helper
[21:20] <dobey> i would think anyway
[21:21] <dobey> daker: are you trying to build an app that supports push notifications that you intend to ship as a snap, btw?
[21:22] <daker> well i am intending to add push notifications for the phone bu the app works on desktop too, so i'll ship it as snap too
[21:23] <daker> dobey: znc -> push server -> phone
[21:24] <dobey> daker: ok, push notifications do not work at all for snaps yet. i'm not sure what all changes exactly will be necessary to get it working there, but there will definitely be changes, likely incompatible with clicks
[21:25] <daker> dobey: i see, well since the app is stopped once in the background, the irc connection is dropped
[21:26] <daker> the irc app supports znc, so you can znc running once get a message you'll get a push notification which will let you launch the app
[21:31] <dobey> daker: sure, i understand why you want it
[21:31] <dobey> daker: i was just pointing out what the situation is :)
[21:36] <OerHeks> Fairphone 2 looks much better .. http://imgur.com/r/Ubuntu/XM6ip9n
[21:42] <daker> dobey: yes :)
[21:46] <dobey> daker: anyway, that's about the limit of my understanding with push helpers, right now :)
[21:50] <daker> dobey: thanks, one more question, do you know any json database in qml ? The localstorage(SQLite) is really slow
[21:53] <dobey> daker: there are qml bindings for u1db
[21:53] <daker> i am looking at maz-db but since an not qt expert i am waiting for DanChapman to add a .pro for qmake
[21:53] <dobey> which is also sqlite, but might be a little faster
[21:55] <daker> yeah i'll try to give test it


[00:31] <bc> does anyone happen to know the file number limit for a directory?
[00:32] <qman__> that depends on your filesystem
[00:33] <bc> ext3, which apparently has a directory number limit of 31998, but does that also go for files?
[00:34] <qman__> the number of files varies based on the options you used when you created it
[00:34] <bc> I'm up to 637 and counting, but the end result will be over 40 thousand files unless it borks.
[00:34] <qman__> "The maximum number of inodes (and hence the maximum number of files and directories) is set when the file system is created. If V is the volume size in bytes, then the default number of inodes is given by V/213 (or the number of blocks, whichever is less), and the minimum by V/223. The default was deemed sufficient for most applications. The max number of subdirectories in one directory is fixed to 32000."
[00:34] <bc> qman__: it would have been what ever the defaults are.
[00:34] <bc> qman__: ah, I see
[00:35] <qman__> you can check how many inodes are used/free with df -i
[00:36] <bc> qman__: apparently I've only used 2% on a 320 GB disk.
[00:36] <bc> (2% inodes, that is)
[00:46] <bc> qman__: thank you
[00:47] <qman__> no problem
[01:19] <twb> Wasn't GNU supposed to AVOID arbitrary limits in its code?
[01:19] <twb> Oh right, Linus and his mates aren't GNU
[01:46]  * bc found out that waiting for 40 thousand sequential http requests isn't very amusing.
[02:57] <cef> got a kvm guest (karmic for guest and host) that keeps saying 'EXT3-fs warning: maximal mount count reached, running e2fsck is recommended.' but I can't seem to get it to run on boot. Touching /forcefsck (as root) and then rebooting doesn't seem to alter that message, but /forcefsck does disappear after the next boot. Any ideas?
[02:59] <cef> dumpe2fs -h also shows that the fs was last checked ages ago, and not when I last used /forcefsck
[03:01] <Roxyhart0> hi guy i am having this problem<EMAIL_ADDRESS>how i can upgrade my samba version (reliable) fro my ubuntu 9.10?
[03:01] <qman__> is there any way to reset a stuck tty? my tty2 locked up, I killed off the processes that were running on it, and tried 'sudo stop tty2; sudo start tty2' but it's still stuck
[03:08] <cef> qman__: try 'sudo initctl stop tty2 ; sudo initctl start tty2'
[03:08] <qman__> still stuck
[03:08] <cef> but yeah, stop and start should  do the same
[03:08] <qman__> it spawned new processes and everything
[03:08] <qman__> but the screen is stuck
[03:09] <cef> scroll lock? Ctrl-Q?
[03:09] <qman__> hey, I think that's working
[03:10] <qman__> thanks
[03:10] <cef> np
[03:10] <cef> good ol' flow control
[03:10] <qman__> was using irssi, hit spell check, and it hard locked
[03:11] <qman__> but that got the screen back, never even noticed scroll lock turned on
[03:11] <cef> what's the key spell check?
[03:11] <qman__> alt+s
[03:11] <cef> haha, hit ctrl+S insteda methinks
[03:11] <cef> instead even
[03:12] <qman__> possibly, the keyboard is a bit wonky
[03:12] <cef> yeah.. easy done
[03:12] <qman__> one time I sort of mashed the right alt/win/context keys
[03:12] <qman__> and it turned scroll lock on
[03:15] <twb> qman__: ^Q or ^A^Q to turn it off
[03:15] <twb> And stty -xoff to disable it forever in that shell
[03:16] <qman__> thanks
[03:16] <qman__> is that per bash, or per tty, because I'm using screen
[03:19] <cef> so any ideas on forcing an fsck on a karmic server with no console access?
[03:21] <qman__> which filesystem is it? if it's non-root, you could try unmounting it and running fsck manually
[03:25] <cef> root unfortunately
[03:25] <cef> I see hints on the net to 'sudo touch /forcefsck' then reboot, but no luck
[03:27] <twb> cef: in fstab you must have fsck/dump options that aren't 0
[03:50] <SJrX> I  just took a hardrive out of a P3-733 with Ubuntu 8.04, and put it into an AMD 2800+. I have no ethernet now. lspci shows a "00:12.0 VIA Technologies, Inc VT6012 [Rhine-II] (rev 74)" card, and I've loaded via-rhine module, however still no eth0 device. Ubuntu 9.10 was on this machine previously
[03:51] <qman__> SJrX, it's probably eth1
[03:51] <SJrX> eth3 oddly enough
[03:51] <SJrX> any idea why?
[03:52] <qman__> if you want it to be eth0, wipe the old interface out of /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[03:52] <qman__> and change the new one to eth0
[03:52] <SJrX> Ad
[03:52] <SJrX> Ah
[03:52] <qman__> it dynamically assigns them, then keeps them in that file
[03:52] <qman__> so that when you remove and re-insert a device, it keeps the same name
[04:21] <SJrX> SSH doesn't respond
[04:21] <SJrX> For some reason when I connect to the machine, I never get a login prompt. Ubuntu 8.10. It works locally but from two other machines, it's just hanging. The port is open.
[04:26] <thebwt> SJrX: can it ssh out?
[04:27] <SJrX> Yeah
[04:27] <SJrX> weird it was an out of memory problem
[04:27] <SJrX> apparently something went wrong with the raid array
[04:28] <thebwt> SJrX: indeed! sounds messy.
[04:29] <SJrX> "md: array md0 already has disks!" is what the messages said
[04:29] <SJrX> but it printed about 1000 times a second in messages
[04:29] <twb> SJrX: examine /proc/mdstat
[04:30] <SJrX> It looks good afaik, not sure how to read that, active raid1
[04:30] <twb> SJrX: pastebin it, then
[04:30] <SJrX> mdadm --detail /dev/md0, says the State: is clean.
[04:31] <SJrX> Events: 0.40166
[04:41] <SJrX> I also get "md: could not bd_claim sdc1" on boot
[06:01] <Roxyhart0> hi guys, i am upgrading a file server and sharing files for users...but when i move the data i am not sure why some users can see their thata and some of them doesn't im not getting any error in the log event? any idea?
[06:03] <Roxyhart0> again. hi guys, i am migrating a file server and sharing files for users...but some users can see their thata and some of them don't. I just check the logs and im not getting nothing. any idea? i have ubuntu 9.10 and samba 3.4.0
[06:03] <Roxyhart0> thata ->data
[06:07] <MTecknology> Roxyhart0: I assume you checked permissions with ls -la
[06:21] <Roxyhart0> yes i did
[06:21] <Roxyhart0> is the same permisions
[06:22] <Roxyhart0> group:users
[06:40] <cef> twb: argh!!!! damn fstab.. thanks
[06:42] <cef> any idea why one particular kvm guest I have 1) always starts first 2) crashes when it is set to autostart and starts at boot, but works fine if manually started from virsh?
[06:44] <cef> if I can figure out why it starts first, i can narrow the issue down to the actual vm, or just cos it starts first
[06:44] <cef> (and it's not alpha-sorted or date-sorted)
[07:06] <twb> It's unlikely, but whatever is looking at "directory full of VM definitions" might be listing the directory's inode without applying any sorting at all
[07:06] <twb> cf. ls -U
[07:15] <cef> twb: indeed that makes sense
[07:16] <cef> and yup, that indeed seems to be the case.. now to change that around a bit...
[07:17] <twb> Stupid libvirt
[07:17] <twb> You should file a bug against it for doing things that way
[07:18] <cef> yeah
[07:19] <cef> oh you gotta be kidding me
[07:19] <cef> every time I create a new copy of the machine, it ends up at the top of ls -U
[07:22] <cef> well, time to go home
[07:22] <cef> will hit it (or mebbe the dev) with a hammer tomorrow
[07:23] <cef> twb: ta for the help btw
[07:27] <SeR_X> hello someone who can help me with ubuntu korganizer?
[07:32] <Roxyhart08> i got another question...I got a samba server and I configurated users folders . They can see some data in their folder and some dont. For example, I just copy data from the server to each user folder they can't see this new data, just the old one and the permisions are the same "users". i mean it does not refresh? any idea?
[08:06] <Roxyhart08> hi somebody know what i need to do to refresh it, i dont know why the users can not see the info on the folder
[08:07] <Roxyhart08> somebody has trying to share folder in a samba server?
[08:09] <Error404NotFound> i am following http://shapeshed.com/journal/chroot_sftp_users_on_ubuntu_intrepid/ to setup a sftp server, and i get "Bad condition X11Forwarding"
[08:10] <thebwt> Error404NotFound: at which part?
[08:10] <Error404NotFound> thebwt, the line which defined "Match group sftp X11Forwarding no ......"
[08:12] <thebwt> Error404NotFound: haveed leaving out "X11Forwarding no"
[08:12] <thebwt> have you tried*
[08:12] <Error404NotFound> yup, then it says same error on Chroot....
[08:13] <thebwt> hmm, then double check "Match group sftp"
[08:13] <thebwt> sounds like it's trying to read X11Forwarding as a condtion
[08:13] <thebwt> or whatever comes in it's place
[08:21] <Error404NotFound> i get Directive 'ChrootDirectory' is not allowed within a Match block now that i did it separately, e.g. first i defined Subsystem and then a Match group sftp
[08:30] <Error404NotFound> damn, ssh version < 4.8
[08:41] <Roxyhart08> hi some question i am migrating to new PDC, Id recover the ldap database and the name of the Domain is the same. Do i need to joing again the windows client to the domain?
[09:12] <fhermeni> hy
[09:15] <fhermeni> I have an issue with preseed. Everything is automatic except netcfg: after getting all the stuff with DHCP, it still asking for a confirmation of the hostname
[09:16] <fhermeni> documentation say that using "d-i netcfg/get_hostname string unassigned-hostname" should prevent that question, but not seems right for my installation
[10:00] <maxagaz_> is there a way to list the last removed packages ?
[10:00] <maxagaz_> what package allows to mount usb devices automatically ?
[10:04] <twb> maxagaz_: gnome
[10:05] <maxagaz_> twb, no, I have it
[10:05] <maxagaz_> twb, their must be some package
[10:06] <twb> NFI
[10:06] <twb> udev, if you mean a specific serial ID
[10:07] <maxagaz_> udev is properly installed
[10:08] <maxagaz_> If I had a list of the 20 last removed/installed packages, I guess it would help me to understanf
[10:08] <maxagaz_> d
[10:10] <twb> maxagaz_: that's /var/log/dpkg
[10:14] <maxagaz_> twb, thanks
[10:18] <Roxyhart08> hi by error I delete my logs folder, where is going the openldap log?
[10:18] <Roxyhart08> how i can increment the log level ?
[11:52] <acalvo> hi
[11:52] <acalvo> is there any dhcp monitoring tool?
[11:52] <acalvo> dhcp server, I meant
[11:54] <screen-x> acalvo: you could try monitoring with dhcping
[11:55] <acalvo> it seems dhcping is an audit tool
[11:56] <acalvo> I find hard to manage the dhcp pool from command line
[11:58] <screen-x> acalvo: I dont know of a gui for that. I define pools in dhcpd config then leave it. Do you  need to modify it regularly?
[11:58] <acalvo> I'd like to trace if there is any error related to DHCP
[11:58] <acalvo> we have several APs which relay on a peer dhcp pool
[11:58] <acalvo> and some users have reported random disconnections
[11:59] <sherr> acalvo: there many be verbose/debug flags in the server config. Monitor DHCP in the system logs.
[11:59] <acalvo> btw, having a pool lifetime greater than 4h is not a good idea, since the network, which is a /22, gets full pretty quickly
[12:00] <acalvo> sherr: yes, but we don't see any error (just some DNS updates denied, but DHCP is looking good)
[12:01] <screen-x> acalvo: sounds like you just stated your problem. Can you use a larger network and NAT?
[12:02] <acalvo> well, we've here around 250 unique users... getting 1022 MACs seems pretty unbelievable
[12:04] <screen-x> so the /22 gets full, even though you only have 250 users?
[12:05] <acalvo> yes
[12:05] <acalvo> must say we're an university, so the wireless is not protected
[12:05] <acalvo> but the range does not reach outside the building
[12:06] <acalvo> even if some not-student users connect to the wireless network, seems pretty odd that the /22 gets full
[12:07] <screen-x> acalvo: so are you getting multiple IPs assigned to a single MAC with overlapping times?
[12:07] <acalvo> that should not occur, since the lifetime of a DHCP address is 2h
[12:08] <acalvo> but some users, while having a good signal rate, suffer some disconnection problems
[12:11] <screen-x> you say that multiple leases to one MAC should not occur, but how else are you filling that /22?
[12:46] <acalvo> screen-x: is what I don't get...
[12:51] <screen-x> acalvo: how many dhcp servers do you have?
[12:52] <acalvo> I've a dhcp peer pool with 2 dhcp servers
[12:52] <acalvo> managing 3 subnets
[12:52] <zul> morning
[12:55] <screen-x> acalvo: have you tried comparing dhcpd.leases from both servers?
[13:04] <acalvo> screen-x: mm no
[13:40] <Sorell> I was just checking my log files.... Does anyone else get IPs from china and the chech republic trying to break into there server?
[13:41] <Sorell> their*
[13:48] <Jeeves_> Sorell: That's not unusual
[13:48] <Sorell> just checking, the server has been up for like 3 days
[13:48] <Sorell> and it's already banned 42 IPs
[13:48] <Sorell> thought that was a little werid.
[13:50] <jiboumans> sorell: no, that's not a little weird :)
[13:51] <Sorell> k
[13:52] <Sorell> ty guys
[13:54] <ttx> Sorell: http://isc.sans.org/survivaltime.html
[13:59] <jiboumans> morning jkakar
[14:00] <jiboumans> it's tuesday, this must be atlanta
[14:01] <jkakar> jiboumans: Heyas!  Yep, we're in Atlanta, sprinting away.
[14:28] <cvincenzo> Hi all :)
[14:28] <cvincenzo> can someone tell me whether packages of ubuntu for NAT and firewall there, so does the server (ubuntu) as a firewall and router?
[14:31] <fhermeni> hy, I have trouble with preseed and the network configuration
[14:32] <fhermeni> when it finished getting its stuff with dhcp, it still ask for the hostname while it knows it
[14:32] <hyperlinx> is there any prouser who can help me ?
[14:39] <hyperlinx> hello any body there ??
[14:40] <KurtKraut> hyperlinx, you'll be more lucky if you ask right away what you want instead of asking if someone is active here.
[14:40] <KurtKraut> *luckier
[14:48] <zul> ttx: i have php 5.3 packaged in a ppa Im going to send out an email to ubuntu-devel and -server to ask people to test and report back bugs
[14:48] <ttx> zul: ok
[14:49] <KurtKraut> hyperlinx, you need to make your help request here and in english.
[14:57] <smoser> good morning all.
[15:02] <zul> hey smoser
[15:07] <acalvo> Sorell: how did you block IPs? hardware firewall?
[15:11] <Sorell> fail2ban auto blocks IPs
[15:11] <Sorell> through software
[15:11] <Sorell> if someone tries to login X times with wrong pass
[15:12] <acalvo> never heard of that, thanks!
[15:14] <Sorell> np :)
[15:17] <Sorell> acalvo you may also want to install clam if you haven't already
[15:18] <acalvo> Sorell: that's one of my ToDo, install ClamAV, spamassasin and squidguard
[15:18] <Sorell> :)
[15:18] <acalvo> thanks you so much!
[15:18] <Sorell> Good luck
[15:25] <Jeeves_> grrr
[15:26] <Jeeves_> debhelper--
[15:31] <acalvo> Sorell: fail2ban is pretty awesome, support a lot of protocols
[15:55] <smoser> mathiaz_, ping
[15:56] <mathiaz_> smoser: !
[15:56] <mathiaz_> smoser: how is you swap day going?
[15:56] <smoser> hey, good.
[15:56] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/521121/comments/1
[15:56] <smoser> mathiaz_, it got swapped :)
[15:56] <smoser> to friday or next monday. so i could get these packaging done
[15:56] <smoser> mathiaz_, in above url, you said
[15:56] <smoser> * The source package should be name txaws since this is the upstream name. The binary package should be name python-txaws as required by the Debian python policy.
[15:57] <smoser> should that be the case with my ruby packages also (right-aws and right-http-connection)
[15:58] <mathiaz> smoser: hm - that would be a good idea as well
[15:58] <mathiaz> smoser: especially if the upstream tarball follows the same convention
[15:58] <smoser> upstream tarballs are named right_aws and right_http_connection respectively
[15:59] <mathiaz> smoser: ok - so you could name the source package right-aws
[15:59] <smoser> so those changes and others to address your comments are available now in the branches linked from
[15:59] <smoser> bug 521002
[15:59] <smoser> and bug 521121
[16:00] <smoser> and both are lintian clean under lucid now
[16:00] <smoser> i'll get to work on the other 2 packages on that list.
[16:01] <smoser> mathiaz, ^
[16:01] <Peanut> Hi - when installing Karmic via PXE, how can you prevent it asking the country/region questions, as it hasn't loaded 'preseed.cfg' yet?
[16:01] <mathiaz> smoser: great - I'll have a look at them later
[16:02] <mathiaz> smoser: I'm almost done with the puppet integration in cloud-init
[16:02] <mathiaz> smoser: I've added a hook (config-puppet) to CloudConfig.py
[16:02] <smoser> ok. i'll read that when you're ready.
[16:04] <smoser> mathiaz, shoudl theree be only one entry in debian/changelog for ruby packages ?
[16:04] <smoser> i'm guessing yes. so i'll change that.
[16:04] <mathiaz> smoser: yes - since it's a brand new package
[16:04] <mathiaz> smoser: for the ubuntu archive
[16:05] <smoser> k
[16:05] <mathiaz> smoser: we don't care about the previous life of the package
[16:05] <mathiaz> smoser: it's a new born in the Ubuntu archive
[16:05] <mathiaz> smoser: there isn't any concept of reincarnation in the Ubuntu archive
[16:10] <aubre> hey guys, I updated my UEC front-end and nodes, and now when I try to run an instance, it goes from pending to terminating and once again I am getting the "in MANAGED-NOVLAN mode, priv interface 'eth1' must be a bridge, tunneling disabled"
[16:10] <aubre> I thought this problem had been fixed already
[16:12] <ttx> mathiaz: o/
[16:13] <mathiaz> ttx: o^12
[16:13] <ttx> smoser: I did the Perl package to offload you a bit
[16:13] <zul> ttx is swell
[16:14] <Pupeno> Hello.
[16:14] <Pupeno> Any ideas how to make automatic upgrades work?
[16:15] <ttx> smoser: race is on for the PHP package.
[16:15] <smoser> ttx, i will do it. thanks.
[16:15] <smoser> for the perl.
[16:15] <ttx> smoser: i did it already
[16:15] <ttx> it's uploaded
[16:15] <smoser> oh. yeah. i meant, i will do the php.
[16:15] <ttx> smoser: ok :)
[16:16] <ttx> smoser: was wondering about bug 504883 status
[16:16] <ttx> smoser: How critical is it to boothooks delivery ? If it is indeed necessary to fix it, I should bump it to alpha3 milestone
[16:16] <smoser> well, i pinged Keybuk on that friday.  the response was "bugs are fixed after feature freeze"
[16:16] <jdstrand> soren: hi! is there a wiki page describing how to ues kvm autotest in the way that you demo'd?
[16:17] <smoser> i suggested that "sooner rather than later" on this would be nice.
[16:17] <ttx> smoser: how does it impact the feature, the bug is not very clear
[16:17] <ttx> ?
[16:17] <smoser> ttx, it doesn't prevent anything, just makes the boothooks run later (and less determinably than i would have liked)
[16:18] <smoser> less determinably : (other upstart jobs could be running)
[16:18] <ttx> smoser: hhrm. So, when the bug is fixed, you can move to earlier in the boot process ?
[16:18] <smoser> i would like for it to be fixed "sooner rather htan later" because it might have some fallout when we move to running that early.
[16:18] <ttx> I'll target it for alpha3
[16:19] <smoser> but, yes. thats what steve has found.
[16:19] <smoser> you want a comment in there ?
[16:19] <ttx> I'll do it
[16:24] <smoser> ttx, http://paste.ubuntu.com/377702/
[16:24] <smoser> i'll post that in the bug unless you think its not clear
[16:24] <ttx> aubre: not sure that error message is the cause to your instance run issues
[16:25] <ttx> smoser: works from me
[16:25] <ttx> for
[16:25] <ttx> arrh
[16:25] <aubre> ttx: agreed. I tried using the UEC web interface to get a 32-bit image and tried to start it - no joy
[16:26] <aubre> ttx: everything was working fine until I upgraded to the latest packages
[16:26] <ttx> aubre: define "latest" ? lucid ?
[16:26] <aubre> ttx: karmic - I haven't made the jump yet
[16:27] <ttx> aubre: so latest = ?
[16:27] <aubre> ttx: sec
[16:28] <aubre> ttx: what's the command to see what version you have installed? I'm having a senior moment
[16:29] <aubre> ttx: it's the latest from "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[16:29] <aubre> ttx: I'm wondering if it has to do with this https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eucalyptus/+bug/503180
[16:30] <ttx> aubre: "dpkg -l | grep euca" ?
[16:30] <aubre> ttx: 1.6~bzr931-0ubuntu7.4
[16:32] <aubre> ttx: I can rebuild using the latest lucid isos if you think that might correct the problem
[16:32] <ttx> aubre: i don't know what the problem is :)
[16:33] <aubre> ttx: oh ok :P
[16:33] <ttx> 1.6~bzr931-0ubuntu7.4 runs instances alright
[16:33] <ttx> (usually)
[16:33] <aubre> ttx: I've tried launching instances with command line as well as landscape and they have the same problem
[16:36] <aubre> ttx: in nc.log I get doTerminateInstance() invoked (id=i-4DAC09AA) followed by ERROR: doTerminateInstance() failed error=101
[16:39] <ttx> aubre: anything in libvirt logs ?
[16:39] <aubre> ttx: checking
[16:41] <aubre> ttx: interesting, it doesn't look like any logs have been created in /var/log/libvirt/qemu since I have been having the problem
[16:43] <aubre> ttx: an ID is being assigned , but no instance gets to a running state
[16:43] <aubre> ttx: the instances I am using are from the store
[16:44] <ttx> aubre: could you pastebin your nc.log ?
[16:44] <aubre> ttx: I mean images
[16:44] <aubre> ttx: sure
[16:44] <ttx> aubre: I'm more interested in error messages when ie starts up (rather than error messages when it terminates)
[16:45] <aubre> tt: k
[16:45] <aubre> ttx: k
[16:50] <aubre> ttx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/377721/
[16:51] <ttx> aubre: now that's strange
[16:51] <ttx> aubre: look into cc.log
[16:51] <ttx> because the nc never gets contacted to run the instance :)
[16:54] <aubre> ttx: ok
[16:54] <ttx> (the strange thing being... it gets contacted to terminate them)
[16:55] <ttx> so from the NC perspective, everythign is alright
[16:55] <aubre> ttx: ok that makes sense
[16:58] <ttx> aubre: got to go now
[16:58] <ttx> aubre: if you find something fishy, file a bug :)
[16:59] <aubre> ttx: thanks for helping - will do
[17:23] <pmatulis> with quotas, is it possible to override a group quota (giving a user a different quota)?
[17:38] <zul> ttx: bug #522746
[18:03] <abeman> hi, I am having some issues setting up postfix behind a corporate proxy for wordpress
[18:04] <abeman> i think it might be also due to the dns not resolving the smtp relay
[18:04] <abeman> any suggestions?
[18:13] <smoser> mathiaz, you have any way you can give me accesss to your UEC that reproduces bug 520707
[18:17] <mathiaz> smoser: bug 522292
[18:39] <acalvo> I'm in a hurry: does anyone know why a dhcp server receive dhcpdiscover, sends an offer but does not receive a dhcpack?
[18:39] <acalvo> it seems to be a little random
[19:00] <mathiaz> smoser: working on my cloud-init-puppet upstart job
[19:00] <mathiaz> smoser: I'd like to have the puppet cloud config hook run *after* apt repositories have been setup
[19:00] <mathiaz> smoser: on which job should I depend on in the cloud-config-puppet job?
[19:01] <mathiaz> smoser: start on started cloud-apt-update-upgrade?
[19:01] <smoser> started ?
[19:01] <smoser> i think cloud-apt-update-upgrade is right , but dont know about started
[19:01] <smoser> would that possibly let you run before that job is finished ?
[19:03] <pgoetz> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ doesn't appear to contain a .iso ....
[19:05] <smoser> kirkland, ping
[19:10] <tonyyarusso> I'm not really sure if this is a samba issue or an OpenOffice issue, but hopefully someone can help...  I have a Samba share set up, with create mask and directory mask of 0775, file permissions with g+w, yet whenever a user tries to open project2.odp, they get the message "This document is locked for editing by Unknown User".  What's wrong?
[19:11] <tonyyarusso> (It works fine with an SFTP mount.)
[19:14] <pgoetz> @tony Did you try opening a text file in the same folder using gedit?  If it's a samba issue, it should show up here, too.
[19:14] <smoser> mathiaz, from started(7),
[19:14] <smoser> A task that must be run after another task or service has been  started might use:
[19:14] <smoser> start on started postgresql
[19:15] <smoser> hm... first read of that indicated to me more clearly that  'another task' would have already finished. i dont know though.
[19:16] <tonyyarusso> pgoetz: Yeah, it seems to only be OpenOffice and MS Office files that are affected.
[19:16] <tonyyarusso> but only when accessed via samba.
[19:16] <pgoetz> what version of samba/ubuntu server/oofice?
[19:17] <mathiaz> smoser: right - I think it's the right definition
[19:17] <mathiaz> smoser: and cloud-apt-update-upgrade will update the apt sources?
[19:18] <smoser> yes
[19:18] <tonyyarusso> pgoetz: 3.4.0-3ubuntu5.4, 9.10, 3.2
[19:18] <mathiaz> smoser: great thanks
[19:18] <smoser> mathiaz, but will also have run apt-upgrade (if configured)
[19:18] <mathiaz> smoser: np
[19:19] <mathiaz> smoser: the use case here is to be able to configure another apt repostory
[19:19] <mathiaz> smoser: to pull in a new version of puppet if desired
[19:20] <pgoetz>  What about opening an openoffice doc using koffice?
[19:20] <tonyyarusso> pgoetz: I can give you access to the share if that would be helpful.
[19:21] <tonyyarusso> I suppose I could try installing koffice on something - I don't have it currently.
[19:22] <pgoetz> Should be easy to install (assuming you already have other KDE stuff) and might help narrow the problem down.
[19:23] <tonyyarusso> is there a read-only flag somewhere internal to the ODF format?
[19:24] <pgoetz> http://blogs.sun.com/oootnt/entry/read_only_writer_documents
[19:26] <tonyyarusso> pgoetz: nope, not that.
[19:27] <tonyyarusso> pgoetz: KPresenter appears to have opened it okay?
[19:28] <pgoetz> weird.  Sounds like it must be a problem with oo 3.2.
[19:32] <nandersson> Hi! Does someone have a link for a "best-practices HOWTO" for setting up your own APT Repository?
[19:33] <tonyyarusso> nandersson: are you looking to mirror existing ones or create your own for certain software?
[19:34] <nandersson> tonyyarusso, Create my own for certain software on my private server
[19:34] <tonyyarusso> nandersson: I'd try asking Seveas if he's online.
[19:35] <nandersson> tonyyarusso, Ok, thanks!  I'll look out for him then :)
[19:37] <tonyyarusso> nandersson: (not likely to be in here necessarily, use /whois)
[19:38] <nandersson> tonyyarusso, Ah, ok, Thanks!
[19:40] <pmatulis> lamont: do you know what postfix version enabled 'smtp_sasl_auth_cache_name' and a few other suchlike things?
[19:41] <lamont> not off the top of my head, no
[19:41] <pmatulis> lamont: i'm looking at the changelogs and i can't find anything.  man page just says "since 2.5"
[19:42] <lamont> then 2.5.0-1 :-D
[19:46] <pmatulis> lamont: hmm
[19:47] <lamont> well, I expect so anyway
[19:47] <pmatulis> lamont: ok, thx
[20:24] <clbr> i've got a strange problem while trying to set up KVM on a karmic server: for some reason I get an class A netmask and bcast-address instead of what I specified in network/interfaces, see https://textb.org/t/7ac34qqvrw/
[20:24] <clbr> someone has a hint?
[20:49] <lbrinkma> Is their any update on libmysqlclient?
[20:51] <jdstrand> jiboumans: fyi, I just filed bug #522845
[20:52] <jdstrand> jiboumans: soren updated libvirt to be compiled with libcap-ng for the lxc stuff
[20:52] <jdstrand> jiboumans: this has some side-effects for the qemu/kvm driver
[20:53] <jdstrand> jiboumans: as it turns out, the AppArmor security driver is preventing this problem-- however, if someone disables the AppArmor security driver and has disk files, etc owned by non-root, then there will be problems
[20:54] <jdstrand> jiboumans: I marked it as Triaged, but I'm uncomfortable making changes atm
[20:55] <jdstrand> jiboumans: mostly, I wanted you to be aware of the potential problems for any installs that disable the AppArmor security driver
[20:59] <jdstrand> jiboumans: I've heard that some eucalyptus deployments do this (though I have no idea why)
[21:29] <jdstrand> kirkland: hey, fyi on backscroll starting with '14:51 < jdstrand> jiboumans: fyi, I just filed bug #522845'
[21:30] <jdstrand> kirkland: can you also let ttx know in case I forget?
[21:30] <kirkland> jdstrand: let ttx know what exactly?
[21:30] <kirkland> jdstrand: that you filed the bug?
[21:30] <jdstrand> heh
[21:30] <jdstrand> kirkland: not that I filed it per se, but there is a potential problem, as reported in the bug :)
[21:30] <kirkland> jdstrand: okay
[21:31] <kirkland> jdstrand: i subscribed him to the bug
[21:31] <jdstrand> kirkland: I really don't know what is going on the lxc and don't know what kind of priority (if any) this will have for you guys
[21:31]  * jdstrand should have thought of that
[21:32] <jdstrand> kirkland: thanks
[21:32] <kirkland> jdstrand: np
[21:32] <genii> ompaul isn't helping much
[21:33]  * genii grumbles about wrong channels
[21:33] <jdstrand> kirkland: say, have you done much with kvm-autotest?
[21:33] <kirkland> jdstrand: sadly, no
[21:33] <kirkland> jdstrand: i'm familiar with it
[21:33] <jdstrand> kirkland: yeah, me either...
[21:33] <kirkland> jdstrand: i watch/follow the threads about it
[21:34] <kirkland> jdstrand: soren's presentation was interesting
[21:34] <jdstrand> kirkland: do you know if an iso is *required* to be used with it?
[21:34] <jdstrand> kirkland: it was indeed!
[21:34] <kirkland> jdstrand: i'm pretty sure it's not required
[21:34] <jdstrand> kirkland: cool, thanks
[21:34]  * jdstrand sees what he can do with it...
[22:30] <ebartilson> hello, I have a quick problem, I have a server computer at work, when I go to install ubuntu ( any iteration)  when i click install only a dialog box appears
[22:31] <ebartilson> I believe the computer is not letting the CD load to RAM
[22:32] <ebartilson> any help?
[23:07] <sherr> Click Install? Is this an "install" icon on the desktop - off a live CD?
[23:33] <usuario_> my usb wont mount any advices
[23:33] <usuario_> advice
[23:42] <Th0th> hello everyone
[23:45] <Th0th> I have a server that recently started freezing on me, first the mysql daemon mysteriously died one day, now the thing is freezing intermittently anywhere from 1.5 hours to 15 hours after boot, on the actual monitor hooked up to the server it usually says something about one of my deamon processes hanging (java, apache2, or mysql usually)
[23:46] <Th0th> any guesses to my problem?  I updated everything and no recent changes to my setup to precipitate this, all partitions have plenty of free space, so I'm thinking hardware like memory or cpu
[23:59] <twb> Th0th: did you check the logs?
[23:59] <twb> Th0th: did you check dmesg?