[11:02] <duke1995> Hello. I installed Lubuntu 18.04 on an old laptop. But when I look for additional drivers, I got the message that there are no additional drivers available. I then added the "Graphics Drivers" PPA, now "nvidia-304" is available, but I get an error when I try to install it.
[11:03] <duke1995> According to the error message there are unmet dependencies.
[11:10] <duke1995> I just booted from a Lubuntu 16.04.4 liveUSB, and in that live session the "nvidia-304" driver is found without adding the PPA.
[11:11] <duke1995> Are the Nvidia drivers not yet installable in Lubuntu 18.04?
[11:13] <duke1995> Should I install Lubuntu 16.04 instead? Or is there a way to fix this problem in 18.04?
[11:17] <diogenes_> duke1995, for older hw, 16.04 is better
[11:18] <duke1995_> OK, thanks for your reply. I'm going to replace my 18.04 installation with a 16.04 installation then.
[11:20] <duke1995_> By the way, the old laptop only has 1GB of memory. I suppose it's better to install the 32-bit version in that case.
[11:24] <JohnDoe6> 1Gb is bad for "modern" web-serfing use. fat web-technology
[11:24] <diogenes_> duke1995_, oh my, yes but you could try antiX too
[11:24] <diogenes_> i've run antix successfully on 256 MB ram pc :)
[11:25] <JohnDoe6> yep. now run browser and open some web pages. and see how you loose memory :)
[11:27] <diogenes_> JohnDoe6, i did run some webpages, with good patience you it's moderately usable except for youtube, but the workaround was using smtube and yiu could watch good youtube quality :)
[11:30] <duke1995_> That's why I thought I would be better off with the 32-bit version. Lubuntu 18.04 64-bit uses approximately 150 MB more than Lubuntu 18.04 32-bit according to my (basic) test.
[11:31] <JohnDoe6> browser is not links, lynx and dillo of course
[11:33] <diogenes_> it was even firefox
[11:33] <diogenes_> can't remeber which version
[11:34] <duke1995_> Thanks for the tip about antiX too. But I suppose you will run into the same kind of problems when you launch something like Firefox or Chromium.
[11:34] <diogenes_> you never know unless you try
[11:34] <JohnDoe6> diogenes_: and NoScript and *block
[11:35] <JohnDoe6> and you can look at slitaz
[11:35] <duke1995_> I guess Firefox Quantum is a leap forward if you have a recent pc, but not necessarily when you run it on an old laptop like the one I'm using right now.
[11:36] <diogenes_> actually trying freebsd on that ancient machine was moving even faster
[11:37] <duke1995_> As a matter of fact, it runs quite well for the moment. But the CPU usage is rather high on certain web pages, that's why I wanted to try the Nvidia drivers.
[11:39] <duke1995_> Which won't install on 18.04 at the moment, so I think I'll go back to 16.04 for now.
[11:39] <diogenes_> !EOL
[11:40] <diogenes_> duke1995_, no clue but if 14.04 is still supported then you can go for that one too
[11:40] <JohnDoe6> i have nettop amd с-60. it has very high cpu temp. some times it shutdown because thermal protection
[11:41] <duke1995_> I'm going to install 16.04 now, thanks a lot for your help and advice :-)
[13:56] <kmh__> hi
[13:57] <kmh__> i'm trying the change the time interval for the (automatic) screen logout. How do i do that on LXDE?


[06:17] <MMan> Hello
[06:18] <MMan> anyone here who can help with local lan installations ?
[12:09] <dexel> hey gusy...can anybody help me, wiht a video driver installation...
[12:09] <dexel> my card is AMD Radeon 4350
[12:10] <dexel> It works untill now, but after I have installed driver for my wireless adapter, the video driver doesn't work properly...
[12:13] <dexel> #ubuntu || Want offtopic? Head over to #ubuntu-beginners-team
[14:53] <intore_> hi, i've problems bringing up my wireless network interface. it's a broadcom bcm4312. i installed bcmwl-kernel-source  and type the command modprobe b43 ssb wl and modprobe wl but it  doesn't work. could you help me please?
[14:57] <intore_> don't you have ideas?
[23:10] <Zeb> trying to find all .zip files in a given directory (and all subdirectories). I've tried various ls commands and just tried "find . -name zip\*" with no luck.
[23:10] <Zeb> any tips?
[23:14] <Zeb> nevermind i found it just browsing folder by folder


[00:17] <DalekSec> Xfce is not based on GNOME.
[00:19] <OvenWerks> DalekSec: he was already gone. Personally, I think most musicians/audio users would not want goggle-anything added to studio.
[01:20] <DalekSec> Yep.  And might be nice as a plugin but heh.
[14:00] <erick> Hi
[14:01] <erick> I have some questions again about the new Wily Werewolf.
[14:02] <erick> What version of GSteamer would we get with Wily Werewolf?
[21:55] <DalekSec> Dude doesn't like waiting for answers?
[21:55] <DalekSec> Should be 1.6?


[03:27] <pitti> Good morning
[03:32] <jbicha> pitti: good morning
[03:32] <jbicha> where should I report http://paste.ubuntu.com/1017372/
[03:33] <pitti> hey jbicha, how are you?
[03:33] <micahg> jbicha: which release is that?
[03:33] <pitti> jbicha: well, that's by and large known; against packagekit, presumably
[03:34] <pitti> jbicha: we need to stop packagekit from forcing the aptcc backend
[03:34] <pitti> the apt backend is compatible with ubuntu-drivers-common, but not aptcc
[03:34] <pitti> jbicha: alternatively, it's not currently being used yet, so if you don't need it to configure drivers just go ahead
[03:34] <jbicha> micahg: that's current quantal; the "uninstalling ubuntu-desktop" part doesn't happen in precise
[03:34] <pitti> if you want to test gnome-packagekit
[03:35] <micahg> jbicha: the alternative on python-aptdaemon.pkcompat seems to have been dropped
[03:37] <pitti> the thing that changed is that ubuntu-drivers-common has a Conflicts: packagekit-backend-aptcc
[03:37] <pitti> oh, or that
[03:37] <pitti> gnome-pacakgekit should actually just work with python-aptdaemon.pkcompat
[03:37] <micahg> pitti: you did the merge :)
[03:37] <pitti> so that could be fixed, too
[03:38] <pitti> micahg: of g-packagekit? we have always be in sync, AFAICS
[03:38] <micahg> oh, hrm
[03:38] <micahg> for some reason I thought it was part of packagekit itself
[03:39] <micahg> jbicha: so, talk to ximion and I'm sure he can fix it (unless he dropped it for some reason)
[03:39] <micahg> pitti: sorry :), your merge was fine :)
[03:40] <jbicha> I opened bug 1007249 if anyone wants to follow up :)
[03:40] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1007249 in packagekit "Trying to install packagekit on quantal uninstalls ubuntu-desktop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1007249
[03:41]  * micahg guesses it is pitti's fault after all then :)
[03:42] <micahg> nope, not pitti's fault, new conflict as he said though
[03:43] <micahg> err..not new, just not as bad
[03:43] <pitti> jbicha: I commented on the bug
[03:45] <micahg> jbicha: and that's not necessarily your bug in the pastebin per se, the alternative on python-aptdaemon.pkcompat was dropped in 3.4.0-3
[04:57] <pitti> glatzor: good morning!
[04:58] <pitti> glatzor: soon the pkcompat branch will be more complete than packagekit's apt backend itself :-)
[04:59] <pitti> glatzor: would you have some time today to review https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/aptdaemon/pkcompat-enhancements/+merge/108201 ?
[06:02] <didrocks> good morning
[06:25] <didrocks> ogra_: good morning, how are you?
[06:29] <glatzor> morning pitti. great work!
[06:30] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[06:30] <glatzor> pitti, I will have a closer look at it later since I am away for some time now. see you
[06:30] <pitti> hey glatzor; thanks!
[06:30] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti!
[06:31] <pitti> glatzor: I already added the RepoEnable() method, mvo reviewed that yesterday
[08:16] <Laney> morning
[08:21] <seb128> hey
[08:25] <pitti> seb128: bonjour! how's live over there in the desktop team?
[08:28] <seb128> pitti, guten tag! desktop is good and it's nice to still have you around here ;-) how is life in qa?
[08:29] <seb128> pitti, team change at 5am, do you ever sleep?!
[08:29] <pitti> seb128: I spent a good part of the morning doing emails, setting up MLs and their relatively sohphisticated G+ setup, etc.
[08:29] <pitti> seb128: my wife tricked me again; I usually stay in bed for another 10 minutes or so after she leaves
[08:29] <pitti> but usually that's around 5:30
[08:29] <pitti> today she left a bit earlier
[08:30] <pitti> I think she was taking the bus instead of the bicycle, as it was raining
[08:30] <seb128> ah, ok
[08:30] <seb128> we avoided the rain so far here
[08:30] <seb128> but it's quite windy and cloudy today
[08:31] <didrocks> salut seb128, ça va?
[08:31] <seb128> didrocks, lut, ca va, c'est vendredi ! et toi ?
[08:31] <didrocks> seb128: ça va bien, c'est vendredi oui ;)
[08:31] <didrocks> (still very sunny here)
[08:33] <seb128> didrocks, the forecast say you got to be lucky tomorrow as well but it's going to rain on sunday
[08:34] <seb128> didrocks, 21°C rainy on sunday for Lyon
[08:34] <didrocks> seb128: well, my week-end will be at an ubuntu booth anyway in a dark room :)
[08:34] <seb128> ok, well maybe that will make it easier :p
[08:34] <didrocks> heh, in some way, yeah ;)
[08:41] <Laney> urg, aisleriot got synced
[08:41] <Laney> can we drop it? :-)
[08:52] <pitti> seb128: bug 1007149 -- funny: https://plus.google.com/107564545827215425270/posts/HRmUnCwDRb7
[08:52] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1007149 in gvfs "Changing mount point from /media to /run/username/media broke encrypted devices" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1007149
[08:52] <pitti> seb128: test cases have actually found a bug :)
[08:53] <pitti> will look at that
[09:14] <Sweetshark> g'morning.
[09:15] <seb128> hey Sweetshark
[09:15] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[09:37] <Sweetshark> seb128: heya
[09:37] <Sweetshark> seb128: will you drop me a note when you upload 3.5.4-0ubuntu1? I would tag that in the packaging repo then.
[09:38] <seb128> Sweetshark: yeah, I think that's going to be a bit tricky, the new SRU teams is being a pain
[09:38] <seb128> they rejected my glib stable update
[09:39] <seb128> they seem to not want to take on upstream bug fix versions if those are not acked by the TB with an exception rule
[09:39] <seb128> so I need to continue that discussion with slangasek today
[09:40] <seb128> sweetshark: you might want to apply for an exception for libreoffice
[09:41] <Sweetshark> seb128: should we wait a bit and then send the guys with pitchforks and torches to them? the guys who loose their document because of https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46687 or https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50173
[09:41] <ubot2`> Freedesktop bug 46687 in UI "'Find' toolbar causes writer,calc,impress, not responding" [Critical,Resolved: fixed]
[09:42] <Sweetshark> seb128: bureauratic crap.
[09:42] <seb128> Sweetshark: they are taking a line where they think we should backport fixes for specific issues like those you pointed
[09:42] <Sweetshark> *sigh*
[09:43] <pitti> hm, I didn't read about that
[09:43] <pitti> the new policy announcement just said "add test cases and regression potential to all bugs"
[09:44] <Sweetshark> seb128: they can call back when LibreOffice has a team as big as others handling >10Mio. LOC. ... like for example the kernel team.
[09:45] <pitti> well, the practical conclusion to "we don't accept a new microrelease" is "we just don't upload them", not "we cherrypick 50 patches"
[09:45] <seb128> pitti, I had an hour discussion with Clint and Steve about that after they reject my glib stable update
[09:45] <BigWhale> Good Morning.
[09:46] <seb128> pitti, slangasek basically argues that the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates states "If all of the changes are appropriate for an SRU"
[09:47] <seb128> pitti, so that we should prove that every single commit fixes a bug worth SRUing
[09:47] <seb128> which is often not the case, you have low importance fixes in the middle of point releases
[09:48] <seb128> well I'm really unhappy about it, they told me to go to the TB to get an exception for glib stable updates because that's something the SRU team doesn't have the power to grant but the TB has
[09:48] <seb128> discussion to be continued...
[09:48] <Laney> hrm
[09:48] <Laney> we should rather fix the SRU process /in general/ for micro releases
[09:48] <seb128> right
[09:49] <seb128> I refuse to go to the TB for glib, that's just pushing the problem on the next source
[09:49] <Laney> propose a more general topic, I'll be happy to turn up
[09:49] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[09:51] <seb128>
[09:51] <seb128> on other news, duflu keeps rocking ;-)
[09:51] <seb128> https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/compiz/XDamageReport/+merge/108307
[09:51] <seb128> 2x frame rate
[09:51] <seb128> 50-75% reduction in CPU
[09:51] <seb128> 99% reduction in X event traffic
[09:51] <seb128> on intel
[09:56] <Laney> args
[09:57] <Laney> does bzr bd keep old working directories?
[09:57] <Laney> it thought the command failed, so discarded what i was working on
[09:57] <pitti> shoudl still be in ../build-area/ ?
[09:57] <Laney> ah, yes
[09:58] <Laney> I didn't know what it was using (searched /tmp)
[12:37] <didrocks> ogra_: hey, not sure that you saw my ping this morning :)
[12:41] <ogra_> didrocks, no, i missed it, sorry, whats up ?
[12:43] <didrocks> ogra_: I pushed the same compiz with the new boost on quantal
[12:43] <didrocks> ogra_: but gcc4.7 plays (as it played with unity) and so FTBFS on armel
[12:43] <ogra_> feel free to ignore armel, how about armhf ?
[12:43] <didrocks> ogra_: should be minor stuff to fix, but I would appreciate someone with an arm box to fix those issues
[12:44] <didrocks> ogra_: same, armhf failed as well
[12:44] <ogra_> k
[12:44] <ogra_> we should talk to alf_  then
[12:44] <didrocks> ogra_: it's in the patch, there are the usage of some calls that gcc4.7 doesn't like
[12:44] <didrocks> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/106519945/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-armel.compiz_1%3A<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:44] <didrocks> alf_: ^
[12:44]  * ogra_ is pretty busy getting images to build before thu, i dont have many spare HW cycles for building atm
[12:44] <didrocks> it should be an hour of work at most
[12:45] <didrocks> but the time to fix one thing, upload to a ppa, get to the next crash…
[12:45] <didrocks> well crash/build failure
[12:45] <didrocks> (got just 5 in unity, some googling was enough to fix the warnings)
[12:45] <didrocks> let's see when alf_ is around :)
[12:46] <didrocks> alf_: for the first build failure, you just need to add "virtual" to the destructor of your virtual class
[12:46] <ogra_> yeah, might be tricky to catch anyone from linaro this week, they are all in HK
[12:47] <ogra_> (linaro connect week)
[12:48] <ogra_> didrocks, note that we dont have an GLES drivers for any of the quantal kernels yet, so we can not even test the binaries
[12:48] <ogra_> (even if they would build)
[12:49] <didrocks> ogra_: yeah, but the code really didn't change (even no backport at all), it's just a rebuild and gcc4.7 is more picky :)
[12:50] <ogra_> yeah, but we wont get any use of having the code built atm, couldnt  we temporary drop Werror on arm builds to just overcome the build failure ?
[12:51] <ogra_> (the only thing i'm concerned about wrt compiz atm is installability of depening packages (i.e. image builds))
[12:52] <ogra_> nobody will be able to use it until the vendors get us updated GLES drivers ... which i doubt will happen before A1 (even unlikely to happen before A2 i guess)
[12:58] <didrocks> ogra_: sure, we can do that
[13:00] <seb128> didrocks, speaking about a1, you and sam own 8 or the 9 a1 workitems remaining for the team (compiz keybindings stuff), what do you think about moving those to a2?
[13:02] <didrocks> seb128: I prefer to do that when we are on the target (as most of them are more "working on them and getting them ready" than "land them")
[13:02] <didrocks> if you don't mind :)
[13:03] <seb128> didrocks, ok, some of them like "drop the g-s-d patch" will clearly not happen for a1, but we can move them next week if you prefer to wait
[13:03] <didrocks> ogra_: if I give you a branch, do you have some armhf machine to start a build there?
[13:03] <didrocks> seb128: I'll triage later today those who realistically won't do it, ok?
[13:03] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[13:03] <ogra_> hmm
[13:03] <didrocks> yw :)
[13:03] <seb128> didrocks, I'm just trying to not be pointed out at the release meeting because our a1 chart is way behind trend ;-)
[13:04] <ogra_> didrocks, that will prevent me from image testing on that arch then, but give it to me and i'll try to shove it in somewhere
[13:04] <didrocks> ogra_: thanks :)
[13:05] <didrocks> ogra_: lp:~didrocks/compiz/build-armhf-build
[13:05] <didrocks> seb128: hehe, got it :)
[13:05] <didrocks> seb128: just tell that some are "getting them ready" not "land them"
[13:06] <seb128> didrocks, ok, thanks
[13:06] <didrocks> hum, there is no link in the ui to get the "per user/per milestone"
[13:07] <didrocks> it's one or the other, but no link to the page I want (which is, merging both)
[13:08] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, I don't know of a combined page either
[13:09] <seb128> didrocks, I was just looking at http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/canonical-desktop-team-quantal-alpha-1
[13:09] <didrocks> seb128: I'm sure there is one
[13:09] <didrocks> just no link
[13:09] <seb128> right
[13:09] <seb128> which means you need to guess the name
[13:09] <seb128> not very handy
[13:09] <didrocks> indeed :)
[13:10] <didrocks> ok, using the team one
[13:13] <didrocks> seb128: with those changes, you should stay alive from the release meeting :)
[13:13] <seb128> didrocks, wououh \o/ ;-)
[13:13] <seb128> thanks!
[13:13]  * didrocks takes care about seb128's health ;)
[13:15] <ogra_> you make kate look like a monster !
[13:15] <ogra_> she's *not* eating devs :)
[13:16] <seb128> yet? :p
[13:16]  * seb128 hides
[13:16] <ogra_> well, for breakfast and lunch at least :)
[13:19] <seb128> cyphermox, hey
[13:24] <seb128> pitti, what's the way to re-enable apport sending of bugs to launchpad?
[13:25] <seb128> pitti, it used to be editing /etc/default/apport before whoopsie time
[13:25] <seb128> pitti, i.e https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1002506/comments/5
[13:25] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1002506 in nautilus "nautilus: ERROR:nautilus-places-sidebar.c:1885:open_selected_bookmark: assertion failed: (sidebar->go_to_after_mount_slot == NULL)" [Low,New]
[13:26] <seb128> cyphermox, could you have a look to bug #1007221, is the statement "need to empty hostname to use dhcp provided hostnames" true?
[13:26] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1007221 in lightdm "Removing /etc/hostname results in failed first login attempt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1007221
[13:32] <pitti> seb128: comment out the problem_types line in /etc/apport/crashdb.conf
[13:32] <seb128> kenvandine, ^ try that as well
[13:33] <kenvandine> ok
[13:34] <kenvandine> woot, thanks
[13:34] <seb128> kenvandine, let me know if that works for you
[13:34] <kenvandine> it did
[13:34] <seb128> great
[13:35] <seb128> pitti, did you get feature request to have an ubuntu-bug flag to force submitting a bug to launchpad?
[13:35] <seb128> pitti, I would prefer having a command I can give to users to run to report their issues rather than asking them to go edit conffiles
[13:35] <pitti> seb128: I didn't; you can just edit the file, or if it's per-package, have a package hook which ships a db without that option
[13:36] <pitti> seb128: I'm afraid we don't have a simple one for that right now
[13:36] <seb128> pitti, it's not by package, but we have an increasing number of users who report bad quality bugs because they can't submit them through apport anymore
[13:36] <seb128> or rather they think they can, same as kenvandine, they just get a .upload
[13:37] <seb128> can->can't
[13:37] <seb128> pitti, does it seem a valid request for you? i.e should I file a bug against apport for a simple command to do what ubuntu-bug used to do?
[13:38] <pitti> seb128: ev wanted to make it a lot simpler/possible to create an LP bug from an error.u.c. report; that might be better?
[13:39] <pitti> seb128: such a simple option could only be a hack; it's certainly possible, but it would clutter the code
[13:40] <seb128> pitti, once we get there it will be better yes, meanwhile we are getting segfault bugs filed by hand with stacktrace ... let's move to #ubuntu-devel
[13:42] <kenvandine> dpm, http://ubuntuone.com/7Ux1nDUF430KsRggg5L9Oa
[13:42] <ogra_> didrocks, oh, btw, when does the desktop team finally get ARM HW so you guys can do build tests yourself ?
[13:42] <kenvandine> dpm,  as an example for the tutorial i added gwibber posting to the pastebinit gedit plugin :)
[13:42] <didrocks> ogra_: not a question to ask to me :) I dont' have any ETA
[13:42] <ogra_> ( rickspencer3 and pgraner promised that would happen "soon" at UDS)
[13:45] <Laney> ogra_: maybe we could get a nonvirt/arm enabled ppa?
[13:46] <ogra_> Laney, well, all employees have full access to one (i manage the team thats responsible for access to that)
[13:46] <Laney> to a ppa?
[13:46] <Laney> which one?
[13:46] <ogra_> just needs a ping to me :)
[13:46] <ogra_> canonical-arm-dev
[13:46] <Laney> good to know
[13:47] <Laney> do you know what happened to scheat btw?
[13:47] <ogra_> nope
[13:48] <Laney> k, guess that is an IS question rather
[13:48] <ogra_> yeah, or web-ops, not sure who is responsible for it now
[13:48]  * Laney doesn't understand the distinction
[13:49] <ogra_> me neither, but there is one (i.e. buildd issues are now web-ops issues)
[13:51] <dpm> kenvandine, oh wow, that's awesome! So has the fix to make the widget work already been SRU'd?
[13:51] <kenvandine> not yet
[13:51] <kenvandine> i'll do that on monday
[13:51] <kenvandine> and write up the tutorial over the weekend
[13:58] <rickspencer3> ogra_, so, I think the hardware is on the way to London as we speak, we ordered *a lot* of Panda boards
[13:58] <ogra_> yay
[13:59] <rickspencer3> we'll hand them out, with strings attached, basically, you've got to use the Panda board to run or test Ubuntu in some way
[13:59] <ogra_> rickspencer3, thats great, since doing test builds for others blocks my HW for other planned work
[13:59] <rickspencer3> I'm planning on trying to turn one into my primary desktop when I get back the US in August
[13:59] <ogra_> haha, thats brave
[13:59] <rickspencer3> ogra_, don't say that!
[14:00] <rickspencer3> I don't use mono or java, so I should be ok ;)
[14:00] <ogra_> i would suggest waiting for working quantal images though, you dont want to run a desktop off the SD
[14:00] <ogra_> (and quantal will switch to USB root by default with the new live imagesw)
[14:00] <rickspencer3> ogra_, well, I think it would be more useful to run Quantal, and this won't be until August
[14:01] <ogra_> ah, yeah, then we should be good
[14:01] <ogra_> s/then/by then/
[14:01] <rickspencer3> and with daily quality, it should be usable very day ;)
[14:01] <ogra_> for 3D we have to wait for the vendors to give us drivers for the used kernel version etc
[14:02] <ogra_> that usually only happens a week before release or so in case of TI at least
[14:02] <ogra_> and all others are a matter of luck anyway wrt 3D
[14:02]  * ogra_ thinks dropping unity-2d was the worst idea ever in the light of arm
[14:03] <didrocks> data/general-hooks/automatix.py -> automatix still exists or is it just the same name? :)
[14:03] <ogra_> eeek !
[14:03] <didrocks> (see the apport upload)
[14:04] <ogra_> heh, ask pitti then :)
[14:04] <didrocks> ah, it's a crash report blocker if automatix is on the system :)
[14:04] <ogra_> i think automatix was discontinued long ago
[14:04] <didrocks> ultamatix, snif, good old days :)
[14:05] <didrocks> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatix_(software)
[14:05] <JanC> and Ubuntu Ultimate Edition!
[14:09] <ogra_> hah, ultramatix.com gets you to a wordpress setup page :)
[14:09] <ogra_> (linked from wikipedia)
[14:10] <ogra_> so i bet even that is dead
[14:11] <dobey> kenvandine: should bug #1007421 not be against overlay-scrollbar or whatever instead?
[14:11] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1007421 in ubuntuone-control-panel "ubuntuone-control-panel-qt has no scrollbars on quantal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1007421
[14:12] <kenvandine> dobey, not sure
[14:12] <kenvandine> was just thinking about that
[14:12] <kenvandine> i was thinking about writing a quick pyqt app with scrolling to reproduce it
[14:12] <dobey> kenvandine: does scrolling work in skype or mumble?
[14:12] <kenvandine> to see if u1 is doing something weird or not
[14:13] <kenvandine> dunno, i don't have either :)
[14:13]  * kenvandine tries
[14:13] <dobey> well install some qt app with scrollbars and see if it has scrollbars :)
[14:13] <dobey> the crash is deep in C++, so probably not pyqt specific
[14:14] <kenvandine> yeah, just easy to write a simple test
[14:14] <kenvandine> but i can try skype
[14:14] <dobey> or qtcreator
[14:14] <kenvandine> unless you have other suggestions for qt apps to try?
[14:14] <ralsina> kenvandine: whenever you need a test qt app: http://code.google.com/p/devicenzo/source/browse/trunk/devicenzo.py
[14:14] <dobey> or that
[14:15] <kenvandine> great
[14:15] <ralsina> http://devicenzo.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/devicenzo.py for the .py directly
[14:16] <kenvandine> that segfaults
[14:17] <kenvandine> oh... now it doesn't
[14:17]  * kenvandine scratches head
[14:17] <dobey> kenvandine: yay memory issues
[14:17] <kenvandine> i crashes it i run python myself
[14:18] <kenvandine> no scrollbars though
[14:18]  * kenvandine adds overlay-scrollbars to this bug
[14:19] <kenvandine> humm
[14:19] <kenvandine> i do get scrollbars in qtcreator though
[14:20] <dobey> huh
[14:20] <dobey> the overlay ones, or the qt ones?
[14:20] <seb128> jbicha, hey
[14:20] <kenvandine> qt ones
[14:20] <seb128> pitti, did you have any opinion on whetever we still need,want a dvd image, or was that discussed at UDS?
[14:27] <dobey> kenvandine: weird. maybe qtcreator is disabling glib main loop integration?
[14:30] <dobey> kenvandine: do you get scrollbars if you do "QT_NO_GLIB=1 ubuntuone-control-panel-qt" instead?
[14:32] <kenvandine> dobey, no... but i also get no list of folders :)
[14:33] <kenvandine> so it wouldn't be big enough to scroll :)
[14:33] <kenvandine> no devices either
[14:34] <dobey> kenvandine: ok, try devicenzo then.
[14:35] <dobey> you can load an arbitrary long web page so you have to scroll, in it at least :)
[14:42] <kenvandine> dobey, no scrollbar either
[14:43] <jbicha> seb128: happy Friday!
[14:44] <jbicha> I'm not able to duplicate popey's bug 1007438
[14:44] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1007438 in totem "hud appears as totem 'presses' alt to inhibit screensaver" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1007438
[14:44] <seb128> jbicha, hey, happy friday, how are you?
[14:44] <popey> jbicha: playing a video full screen
[14:44] <popey> ?
[14:45] <dobey> kenvandine: hrmm, weird
[14:46] <dobey> kenvandine: do you have virtualbox-qt installed?
[14:46] <seb128> jbicha, you dropped that change when you merged
[14:46] <seb128>   * debian/control.in:
[14:46] <seb128>     - don't Build-Depends on libxtst-dev so the codepath generating fake key
[14:46] <seb128>       events is disabled, those events lead to weird behaviours with
[14:46] <seb128>       some applications or the unity hud
[14:47] <jbicha> popey: yeah I tried that too and waited 30 seconds...and nothing popped up
[14:47] <popey> jbicha: on latest quantal?
[14:48] <jbicha> popey: yes, totem on unity 3D on quantal
[14:48] <jbicha> seb128: supposedly the bug was fixed in totem already https://bugzilla.gnome.org/669110 it looks like we should drop the libxtst-dev build-depends anyway as it's not needed now
[14:48] <popey> jbicha: how odd. I have a bunch of held back packages, but nothing seemingly related
[14:49] <jbicha> popey: reboot? ;)
[14:49] <popey> jbicha: I'll restart and try again lat...
[14:49] <popey> :D
[14:49] <seb128> jbicha, btw what do you think about dropping the debian patch to not use clutter in totem?
[14:50] <seb128> jbicha, "supposedly the bug was fixed in totem already" ... those commits are in master only, not gnome-3-4 serie
[14:50] <jbicha> seb128: it's disabled already "Disable d/p/02_revert_clutter.patch for now, doesn't apply against 3.4.0."
[14:51] <seb128> jbicha, ok, good
[14:52] <jbicha> seb128: oh, tricky
[14:53] <jbicha> I guess dropping libxtst-dev should be good enough & we'll probably get totem 3.5 soonish anyway
[15:02] <Sweetshark> libreoffice-3.6.0~alpha1 finished building in 1h52min!
[15:02] <Sweetshark> awesome.
[15:03] <mlankhorst> Glad I'm not sweetshark any more :)
[15:03] <Sweetshark> mlankhorst: huh?
[15:03] <mlankhorst> from swapping nametags around at uds
[15:04] <Sweetshark> mlankhorst: *hrhr*
[15:44] <kenvandine> Sweetshark, about bug 754562
[15:44] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 754562 in lo-menubar "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in g_hash_table_lookup() (Libreoffice with lo-menubar crash from page preview)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/754562
[15:44] <kenvandine> that should have been fixed in the release aruiz rolled a couple weeks ago right?
[15:45] <kenvandine> which is a pretty big diff from what was shipped in precise
[15:53] <vsingh165> Anyone here experienced with nautilus?  I'm trying to implement the ability to recursively change ownership of enclosed files in a folder into the nautilus file properties window, as detailed bug #822993
[15:53] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 822993 in nautilus "Applying Permissions to enclosed files in Nautilus' Folder Properties window doesn't work" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/822993
[15:53] <seb128> vsingh165, you might want to ask on irc.gnome.org #nautilus or #gnome-hackers
[15:54] <Sweetshark> kenvandine: I assume so, but I havent looked at the diff tbh or verified that yet.
[15:54] <Laney> what are all these untracked packges in versions?
[15:55] <seb128> Laney, "untracked"?
[15:55] <kenvandine> Sweetshark, if so, could you try to backport just enough to fix that bug for precise?
[15:55] <Laney> seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html
[15:55] <seb128> oh, that's new
[15:55] <vsingh165> seb128:  I know what the issue is with the bug (I had emailed you earlier about it).  Basically, there's no functionality in the button to check the ownership of the current dir, so therefore, there's no way to recursively apply ownership.
[15:55] <Laney> there are quite a few grey columns now that i've not seen before
[15:55] <Laney> rows
[15:56] <seb128> Laney, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+junk/versions/revision/435
[15:56] <seb128> Laney, I guess
[15:56] <seb128> Laney, they are the packages the desktop team is not "interested" in
[15:56] <Sweetshark> kenvandine: jikes. im kinda out of timeslots ;)
[15:56] <seb128> Laney, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+junk/versions/revision/438 as well
[15:57] <Laney> maybe i never noticed them before
[15:57] <seb128> Laney, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+junk/versions/revision/474
[15:57] <seb128> Laney, that's pretty recent changes from robert_ancell, the untracked commit is from today
[15:57] <Laney> i bet it comes from the germinate stuff indeed
[15:58] <Laney> should we just hide the untracked ones?
[15:58] <seb128> well, we always unsed germinate to hide stuff not on the CD
[15:58] <seb128> i.e the "+" next to "package"
[15:59] <jbicha> cyphermox: the evolution-rss developer is still releasing tarballs, they're just hidden http://gnome.eu.org/evolution-rss-0.3.91.tar.xz
[15:59] <seb128> Laney, I will send an email to robert_ancell to ask if he could do a status update on the mailing list about his changes
[15:59] <cyphermox> jbicha: I looked there precisely and never saw it
[16:00] <Laney> ok, sounds good
[16:00] <jbicha> cyphermox: I sent him an email though because it's not very nice :(
[16:00] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, did you see my ping earlier?
[16:00] <cyphermox> yup; updated the bug
[16:01] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[16:01] <cyphermox> it's true, we explicitly don't change the hostname
[16:01] <cyphermox> because it used to be done and it breaks things, nevermind how evil it is in the first place anyway
[16:02] <seb128> cyphermox, right, I was wondering if that was a valid usecase,bug to edit it this way or if they just got what they ask for with the hack they are doing
[16:02] <cyphermox> pretty much the end
[16:02] <cyphermox> but if they installed on the same network the username in the installer would default to what DHCP provides
[16:02] <cyphermox> so in effect, it would "just work"
[16:03] <cyphermox> changing the hostname in /etc/hostname without changing /etc/hosts is totally wrong though
[16:05] <Laney> dobey: yo, just tried a test build of libu1 to try and fix the ftbfs but it went through ok
[16:05] <Laney> maybe you can give back
[16:22] <dobey> Laney: in quantal?
[16:22] <Laney> yes
[16:22] <Laney> unless of course my sbuild is funky
[16:23] <dobey> well, the ftbfs was because webkit or curl was broken i think, so that might be fixed now
[16:23] <Laney> indeed it could be something external
[16:23] <Laney> and seems to be that way
[16:25] <Laney> you've got another trivial mp for the client too.
[16:38]  * didrocks waves good evening :)
[17:41] <cyphermox> Laney: dobey: that giveback thing was about ubuntuone-client-gnome right?
[17:42] <cyphermox> Laney: local build doesn't fail on includes other than glib/glib.h; but actual build in archive does?
[17:44] <dobey> cyphermox: no
[17:45] <dobey> cyphermox: it was about libubuntuone (which i clicked the retry build on and it succeeded)
[17:45] <cyphermox> ok
[17:45] <dobey> cyphermox: ubuntuone-client-gnome needs patching
[17:45] <cyphermox> how so?
[17:45] <cyphermox> is it in your todo?
[17:45] <dobey> because new glib added some new #error in the headers
[17:45] <cyphermox> I'd like to get it off the NBS list
[17:45] <cyphermox> if it's just that I can take care of it
[17:45] <dobey> cyphermox: yeah. feel free to ignore it. laney just submitted a branch to fix it
[17:46] <cyphermox> alright
[17:46] <dobey> but his fix breaks it in a different way, so need him to fix that
[17:47] <dobey> cyphermox: and i'll be doing a new release of u1 stuff on monday, for quantal
[17:47] <cyphermox> alright
[17:49] <dobey> Laney: can you change your vote to Abstain, away from "Resubmit" on your proposal? you don't need to vote on your own proposals :)
[21:21]  * Sweetshark digs through fedora vendor patches and pokes devs to upstream them. fun!
[21:23] <dobey> what are you talking about? only ubuntu doesn't send patches upstream!
[21:23] <dobey> :)
[21:47] <Sweetshark> ahhh, thats the right way to start off a friendship, dear quantal: bug 1007616.
[21:47] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1007616 in gcc-defaults "gcc internal compiler error in force_move_args_size_note, at combine-stack-adj.c:419" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1007616
[21:50] <Sweetshark> nothing like a good old suicidal gcc to start off a relationship with the new series ....
[21:51] <chrisccoulson> Sweetshark, i'm glad i'm not the only person who hits compiler issues ;)
[22:11] <Sweetshark> chrisccoulson: proposing a oneline testsuite for gcc: "for pkg in libreoffice firefox; do apt-get build-dep $pkg; apt-get source $pkg; pushd $pkg*; dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us; popd; done"
[22:20] <micahg> that would only work if libreoffice and firefox were perfect code :)
[22:20] <Sweetshark> micahg: they are!
[22:21] <micahg> Sweetshark: as far is firefox is concerned we can't even rely on the test suite at this point due to (I'm told) issues with our toolchain
[22:21] <micahg> *Firefox test suite
[22:23] <Sweetshark> micahg: at least an internal compiler error is never right, even if you would have given gcc uncompiled perl as input (i would sympathize with suicidal moods then, but still ...)
[22:23] <micahg> heh, true
[23:13] <Laney> dobey: I don't know how votes work :(((((((((((((((((((
[23:13] <Laney> I thought it meant "I am resubmitting this"


[02:05] <hallyn> apw: just got the 4.4.112 update :)
[02:05] <hallyn> of course, now i'm watching the 4.4.113-rc1 :(  now with minty retpoline flavor
[08:38] <blaze> how can I check the status of applied fixes (IBRS and IBPB)?
[13:28] <jdstrand> apw, bjf (cc sbeattie, tyhicks): I booted a Lenovo IdeaPad U460 into the new 4.13 linux-generic-hwe-16.04 kernel and it immediately reboots when selecting it from grub
[13:29] <jdstrand> apw, bjf (cc sbeattie, tyhicks): it can boot the 4.10 kernel fine
[13:29] <jdstrand> apw, bjf: because it won't boot, I can't ubuntu-bug it. can you advise on how to report?
[13:31] <apw> jdstrand, +filebug is your only real option
[13:31] <jdstrand> apw: what would be good to attach?
[13:31] <apw> jdstrand, and that is the -31 one yes ?
[13:31] <tyhicks> jdstrand: the kernel team will know better but in the meantime, you may want to try booting with the "nopti noibrs noibpb" kernel command line options to see if there's any different behavior
[13:32] <jdstrand> apw: meta is <IP_ADDRESS>.51, kernel is 4.13.0-31.34~16.04.1
[13:32] <apw> jdstrand, if you have nothing other than a blank screen then there is little to add, trying tyhicks options is the next step
[13:32] <apw> jdstrand, is this the first 3.13 you have tried on this ?
[13:32] <jdstrand> apw: it is the first 4.13, yes
[13:32] <apw> ok
[13:32] <jdstrand> the 4.10 was ok
[13:32] <apw> yep, it has none of the new fun applied
[13:33]  * jdstrand nods
[13:33] <jdstrand> apw: is there a pre meltdown/spectre 4.13 kernel that would be useful to try?
[13:37] <tyhicks> jdstrand: Ubuntu-4.13.0-21.24 is the pre meltdown/spectre 4.13 kernel
[13:37] <jdstrand> ok, I'll try that to see if it is a 4.13 thing or a security patch thing
[13:51] <jdstrand> apw, bjf (cc sbeattie and tyhicks): ok, I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1744942
[13:51] <jdstrand> I'll now try different command lines and kernels
[13:52] <jdstrand> I think it is a Westmere/Arandale if that is helpful
[13:52] <jdstrand> (though you might want to check the bug to be sure)
[13:53] <jdstrand> I also marked the bug 'Confirmed' to avoid the bot
[13:54] <jdstrand> tyhicks: I don't see any 4.13.0-21 kernels in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+publishinghistory
[13:55] <jdstrand> tyhicks: are you saying just boot the artful kernel?
[13:55] <tyhicks> jdstrand: there was a 4.13.0-21 artful kernel so I just assumed there was a 4.13.0-21 linux-hwe kernel
[13:55] <jdstrand> seems so
[13:56] <jdstrand> that vintage is still 4.10
[13:56] <apw> jdstrand, it would have been linux-hwe-edge back then
[13:56] <jdstrand> ah
[13:56] <tyhicks> oh, right... linux-hwe was bumped from 4.10 to 4.13
[14:00] <jdstrand> also if it helps, it is an i386 install
[14:00] <apw> jdstrand, it makes it less worrying :)  in the sense if it is broke you are in a smaller set
[14:09] <apw> jdstrand, also does the latest 4.4 boot for you
[14:09] <jdstrand> apw: I'll test that too
[14:10] <apw> jdstrand, ta
[14:10] <jdstrand> apw: honestly, I forgot I was using 4.10 on that machine so going back to 4.4 wouldn't be so bad
[14:10] <jdstrand> we'll see how things go
[14:11] <apw> jdstrand, and you finding an issue is always good
[14:18] <albert23> jdstrand: does that system have more than 4GB ram?
[14:20] <albert23> i have bisected a 32 bit boot failure with > 4GB ram and got 92a0f81... x86/cpu_entry_area: Move it out of the fixmap as first bad commit
[14:20] <jdstrand> albert23: no. 4G
[14:24] <albert23> hmm, I thought the >4GB was important as it boots fine when pae is disabled in the kernel
[14:39] <apw> albert23, it might not matter how much ram you have just that you are or are not using pae
[14:54] <jdstrand> apw, bjf (cc tyhicks and sbeattie): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1744942/comments/1
[14:54] <jdstrand> apw, albert23: note that pae is listed in cpuinfo
[14:55] <jdstrand> apw: right now I'm in an up to date 4.4 kernel, and it seems to be working so I'll stay there for now
[14:55] <jdstrand> (this is not my machine. if you need me to test kernels, I can, but possibily not immediately)
[14:58] <albert23> jdstrand: pae is also shown when pae is disabled in the kernel, and top shows 3547 MB ram instead of 8000
[14:59] <jdstrand> it only has 4G, I promise
[15:00] <jdstrand> :)
[15:00] <apw> jdstrand, sounds like a plan, we may have some h/w showing similar issues, so we can investigate
[15:45] <tyhicks> bjf, apw: FYI, chrisccoulson hit an issue where he could not boot an artful VM with the new kernel that we determined to be related to the bad intel-microcode that was reverted yesterday
[15:46] <tyhicks> here's the bad combination of versions:
[15:46] <tyhicks> host kernel: 4.13.0-25
[15:46] <tyhicks> host microcode: 3.20180108.0~ubuntu17.10.1
[15:46] <tyhicks> guest kernel: 4.13.0-31
[15:48] <tyhicks> bjf, apw: the guest kernel booted after updating the host kernel (4.13.0-31) OR applying the reverted microcode package (3.20180108.0+really20170707ubuntu17.10.1) in the host and rebooting
[15:48] <tyhicks> I'm glad we reverted the microcode package yesterday
[15:49] <tyhicks> I don't think there's anything for the kernel team to do here but I wanted to point out the combination of old host kernel, bad microcode, and new guest kernel could cause VMs to not boot
[15:50] <tyhicks> the solution is to apply the updates in the host (either the kernel or microcode but both are ideal) and reboot
[16:06] <apw> tyhicks, thanks, that is a good data point
[16:12]  * alkisg still hasn't had any reply for "kernel reboots on i5's", https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198529 ...
[16:22] <tyhicks> apw: btw, here's the stack trace from the guest kernel that chrisccoulson saw: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rt6v13rifm7qt8z/Screenshot%20from%202018-01-23%2014-25-00.png
[16:25] <apw> tyhicks, i wonder if chrisccoulson reported a bug with that, with what he was doing to trigger it
[16:26] <tyhicks> apw: he didn't but he could if it would help you all
[16:26] <apw> tyhicks, all and any issues; we want to know as much as possible about htem
[16:27] <tyhicks> ack
[16:27] <apw> as any one may be impossible to fathom but that third one gives you insight into the set
[16:28] <tyhicks> chrisccoulson: please file a bug to help out the kernel team track the issue that you hit (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Bugs)
[16:34] <chrisccoulson> tyhicks, sure, will do
[16:35] <tyhicks> thanks!
[16:51] <albert23> alkisg: that's the same commit i found bad too, on i3-4010U (intel nuc)
[16:52] <albert23> that commit is known bad, see https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/12/23/121, but the fix 2 commits later still doesn't work for me
[17:04] <alkisg> albert23: on 32bit installation, or 64bit?
[17:05] <albert23> alkisg: 32 bit
[17:08] <alkisg> Thanks, I verified this on a number of i5 processors, but not on any i3's until you mentioned that one
[17:12] <alkisg> Happens on: i5-3470, i5-4460, i5-4440, i5-6200U, and doesn't happen on i3-4170,  i3-7100, Q6600, Q8300, i5-4590
[17:13] <alkisg> albert23: do you think we need to do something more, except the bisection I did to pinpoin the commit, and the bugzilla report?
[17:13] <alkisg> I would have expected some reply until now...
[17:14] <albert23> maybe mark is a regression
[17:15] <alkisg> Could you? And also comment that it affects you too?
[17:16] <albert23> I think it's better i you do it. At least Intel graphics never liked "me too's" in bug reports
[17:17] <alkisg> I thought that more than 1 user need to confirm a bug in order to get in the "confirmed" state
[17:17] <alkisg> Otherwise it's just monologue...
[17:17] <alkisg> Anyways, I'll revert the schools to 4.4 kernel and leave it for them to solve it when they can
[17:28] <alkisg> albert23: btw, does it boot for you if you pass acpi=off? It worked on most of i5's, but a teacher reported it didn't work for him
[17:31]  * alkisg also notes that there are no instructions in the ubuntu wiki on how to revert to the non-hwe kernel series... in the past, there were...
[17:32] <albert23> alkisg: yes, it does boot for me too with acpi=off
[17:32] <alkisg> Nice
[17:43] <albert23> hmm, apparently acpi=off also mean no PTI
[17:50] <albert23> and also no PTI in a kvm guest and no PTI when the kernel is built  without PAE


[11:36] <kokoye2007> Hello
[11:36] <kokoye2007> someone can talk about localechooser
[14:25] <kokoye2007> Hola
[14:25] <kokoye2007> installer locale chooser is problem


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[16:09] <cmaloney> Apparently everything is getting a reboot now
[16:09] <cmaloney> Gretest American Hero
[16:09] <cmaloney> Soundgarden
[16:09] <cmaloney> OS/2
[16:42] <rick_h__> hah
[18:50] <jcastro> did someone say os/2?
[19:25] <cmaloney> Let's do the OS/2 WARP AGAIN!
[19:26] <cscheib> I bet jcastro still has his OS/2 Warp with original packaging
[19:27] <cmaloney> heh
[19:27] <cscheib> I'm not even joking
[19:27] <cscheib> heh
[19:30] <jcastro> I do
[19:30] <jcastro> blue spine!
[19:52] <cscheib> see?
[19:53] <cscheib> I don't think I've ever used OS/2 knowingly
[19:53] <cscheib> obviously it was on ATMs and such for a while
[19:53] <cmaloney> I've only used it peripherally
[19:53] <cmaloney> stuff for work on one machine that was brought in by some other third party
[21:27] <jrwren> i loved os2 for a brief period.
[21:46] <jcastro> it is 73 degrees outside
[21:46] <jcastro> it is november 3rd.
[22:47] <greg-g> cmaloney: not CC, but, post-rock with horns: https://fractalpattern.bandcamp.com/album/no-hope-but-mt-hope
[22:47] <greg-g> as in, brass instruments
[22:47] <greg-g> I'm liking so far


[22:06] <anon^_^> had a question, maybe someone with build experience can help
[22:07] <anon^_^> trying to compile an app, hit the following dependency issue
[22:07] <anon^_^> checking for intltool >= 0.40.6...  found
[22:07] <anon^_^> configure: error: Your intltool is too old.  You need intltool 0.40.6 or later.
[22:07] <anon^_^> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=intltool
[22:08] <anon^_^> every intltool-debian package from 12.04 LTS to current is 0.35.0
[22:15] <wxl> anon^_^: you need intltool, not intltool-debian
[22:16] <anon^_^> thought that was a dummy package
[22:16]  * anon^_^ laughs
[22:22] <SpamapS> anon^_^: 12.04 _is_ pretty old...
[22:22] <SpamapS> anon^_^: you might look in backports for a newer intltool
[22:23] <SpamapS> anon^_^: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intltool show 0.50 ???
[22:24] <SpamapS> oh
[22:24]  * SpamapS should read to the end
[22:24] <anon^_^> yes
[22:24] <anon^_^> heh
[22:24] <anon^_^> I should too
[23:21] <anon^_^> sorry to bother chan, one other compile question
[23:22] <anon^_^> configure: error: Package requirements (gmime-2.4 >= 2.4.0) were not met:
[23:22] <anon^_^> No package 'gmime-2.4' found
[23:22] <anon^_^> libgmime-2.6-0 is installed
[23:23] <anon^_^> only package available
[23:25] <anon^_^> there's additional error output suggesting adjustment of PKG_CONFIG_PATH, GMIME_CFLAGS and GMIME_LIBS, but not sure how to invoke that correctly or if it's needed


[15:21] <akgraner> Cheesehead, who maintains the brainstorm site?
[15:24] <Cheesehead> akgraner: The source code, or wht's on the servers?
[15:24] <Cheesehead> COntent or code?
[15:25] <Cheesehead> (I just discussed this with somebody else a few minutes ago)
[15:52] <ashams> akgraner, have you found this: https://launchpad.net/~brainstorm-moderators ?
[15:53] <akgraner> code
[15:53] <akgraner> I gave them your name so good :-)
[15:53] <akgraner> yep they emailed that list - that's how I found out
[15:57] <ashams> akgraner, it's here: https://launchpad.net/ideatorrent
[16:01] <akgraner> Cheesehead, if you are in contact then hopefully they'll get it all sorted
[16:01] <akgraner> thanks
[16:34] <bkerensa> I wish brainstorm used openid
[16:34] <bkerensa> or Ubuntu SSO
[17:02] <ashams> bkerensa, the same here!