[12:00] <Loiosh> Odin, I believe.. lemme check
[12:00] <Odin2347> i didnt try knoppix
[12:00] <Odin2347> check what?
[12:00] <Loiosh> Yeah
[12:00] <scoon> Odin2347, well with a little bit of google, you could get that wireless card working.
[12:00] <lavigj> anyone in here familiar with apt::Default-release?
[12:00] <Loiosh> /join #kUbuntu
[12:00] <AngryClip> anyone have any input at all about my problem?
[12:00] <Loiosh> It's the channel for KDE on Ubuntu
[12:00] <hawke_> lavigj: Somewhat, why?
[12:00] <mdke> is it possible in gedit to open more than one document and NOT get them tabbed?
[12:01] <AngryClip> both my sound cards work
[12:01] <AngryClip> it's jsut I would like it to come out the other one as default
[12:01] <lavigj> hawke_: I was mostly just curious if there was a how to for setting it up or something like that. I found kind half instructions
[12:01] <mdke> nm
[12:02] <bluefoxicy> well
[12:02] <bluefoxicy> anyone know what i should do
[12:02] <hawke_> lavigj: There isn't much to set up
[12:02] <scoon> AngryClip, did you check ALSA's site or are you using OSS ?
[12:02] <lavigj> hawke_: hmm... ok
[12:02] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: here on warty, the nested login is in the menu
[12:02] <hawke_> lavigj: You can just set it to e.g. "testing" or "unstable" on Debian...or "hoary/warty" on Ubuntu
[12:02] <bluefoxicy> well it's not on mine
[12:03] <AngryClip> scoon: I am using ESD, which I presume is using ALSA
[12:03] <lavigj> hawke_: actualy, i just found something in the preferences of synaptics
[12:03] <bluefoxicy> I have a desktop file for it
[12:03] <bluefoxicy> /usr/share/applications/gdmflexiserver-xnest.desktop:3:Name=New Login in a Nested Window
[12:03] <AngryClip> but I do not know how to check
[12:03] <bluefoxicy> but it's not showing in the menu, at all.
[12:03] <lavigj> hawke_: is it possible to bounce back and forth?
[12:03] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: well, you can do Xnest -ac :1 & xterm -display :1 or something similar
[12:04] <scoon> AngryClip, then check here for some help: http://www.alsa-project.org/
[12:04] <bluefoxicy> i have a few things that aren't in the menu >(
[12:04] <WW> Hello, world.
[12:04] <hawke_> lavigj: Probably not a good idea..
[12:04] <AngryClip> scoon: do you know how I can check?
[12:04] <lavigj> hawke_: hmm... I really only need one package to be newer
[12:04] <WW> I need a crash course in VPN.
[12:05] <lavigj> WW: what about it?
[12:05] <WW> My employer disabled ssh, and said connections must now be via VPN.
[12:05] <Loiosh> That's strange, Blue
[12:05] <hawke_> lavigj: Oh, then it's probably fine.
[12:05] <scoon> AngryClip, if you are using ubuntu then you are using alsa.
[12:05] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: see above - with the xterm in the new window you can probably type gnome-session or fluxbox or whatever
[12:05] <hawke_> lavigj: Assuming that one package doesn't pull in a bunch of other dependencies.
[12:05] <WW> I found out at 5:00 PM, so I wasn't able to ask them how to set up VPN.
[12:05] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: I do it that way all the time
[12:05] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic:  yeah but I want to log into ANOTHER machine
[12:05] <Loiosh> What are you trying to do, Blue?
[12:06] <lavigj> hawke_: yeah. are you familiar with using it with synaptics at all>
[12:06] <WW> All I have is the ip name.
[12:06] <bluefoxicy> Loiosh:  I have a gentoo machine here I want to log into, so I want to run gdm on it with xdmcp and log into it.
[12:06] <ompaul> WW OpenVPN is great for that, the only issue I ever found with it was people not setting the default route correctly
[12:06] <lavigj> WW: sorry, I have never set it up in linux
[12:06] <hawke_> lavigj: Not with synaptic, but I don't think it would be much different with apt-get
[12:06] <Loiosh> Ahhh, and that option is missing
[12:06] <GarySaved> I am currently using just Debian.  Will I lose my settings and such if I install ubuntu ?
[12:06] <bluefoxicy> Loiosh:  i've altered the gdm config file for chooser access
[12:06] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: ah Ok - well I usually do that with vnc or with ssh -X
[12:06] <bluefoxicy> Loiosh: but there's no xnest or anything
[12:07] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic:  Perhaps you don't understand the difference between vnc and xdmcp.
[12:07] <_jon_> GarySaved: if you install fresh, posibly, if you apt-get dist-upgrade you can save your settings
[12:07] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic:  xdmcp sends a bunch of control data encapsulated in the X protocol which is rendered into the screen, while vnc sends a screenshot every 40mS or so
[12:07] <WW> ompaul: Thanks.  Do I need to be a networking wizard to configure OpenVPN?
[12:07] <ompaul> WW no
[12:07] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic:  as a result, xdmcp is much faster, more responsive, and much less CPU intensive than vnc
[12:07] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: look, please don't tell me what I don't understand - you didn't make yourself clear in the first place
[12:08] <WW> ompaul: Installing openvpn now...
[12:08] <lavigj> hawke_: either it didn't work... or there's no newer version. dang it
[12:08] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic:  you appeared to be suggesting that I use vnc instead of xdmcp
[12:08] <httpdss> how can i change gtk font size ?? (i tried gtk-theme-switch, but it doesnt work)
[12:08] <hawke_> lavigj: what package?
[12:08] <GarySaved> _jon_, I put my home directory tree on a seperate hard drive.
[12:08] <Loiosh> Yeah, I like xdmcp
[12:08] <lavigj> libsdl
[12:08] <Loiosh> We use.. xManager here though (Win machine -> linux)
[12:08] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: I didn't - I just said ehat I have used in an effort to be helpful
[12:08] <lavigj> hawke_: libsdl... many video tools want better than I have
[12:08] <_jon_> GarySaved: not all your preferences are stored in your home foler
[12:08] <bluefoxicy> Loiosh:  then of course the trick becomes getting a gdm chooser to work in an xnest window :P
[12:08] <ells> is anyone familiar on how to set up a network to share between my linux box and my windows machine
[12:08] <WW> Hmmm... that's not very Ubuntu-like.  Installing openvpn from synaptic brings up an interactive text screen.
[12:09] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic: *shrug*
[12:09] <ompaul> WW read the docs on the OpenVPN site they will explain it all a lot better than I can in an irc package. you must have the same ips available all the time and do not have the same ips in use on the "far ends" of the links
[12:09] <hawke_> lavigj: 1.2.7+1.2.8cvs20041007-3ubuntu4 is the latest in Ubuntu
[12:09] <bluefoxicy> oh
[12:09] <bluefoxicy> what the hell
[12:09] <lavigj> hawke_: then I guess I didn't do it right
[12:09] <bluefoxicy> xnest and Xnest are not valid commands on ubuntu?
[12:09] <WW> ompaul: Thanks.  I'll take a look.
[12:09] <waseem> hi how do i make it so that when i double click on a folder it doesnt open up a new window?
[12:10] <hawke_> lavigj: chances are that will pull in a bunch of hoary dependencies though
[12:10] <underlord> i just installed the apache2 package, the server is running, but where are the config files stored on ubuntu?
[12:10] <ells> Again, is anyone familiar on how to set up a network to share between my linux box and my windows machine
[12:10] <bluefoxicy>   __ Opt x11      xnest        <none>      6.8.1-1ubun nested X server
[12:10] <ompaul> WW the test when you are done is to ping machines on the far network and ssh into them with their "192" [if that is the range you are using]  but it is crucial that the default route is set or all sorts of things will be very very broken
[12:10] <bluefoxicy> apparently xnest doesn't come by default!
[12:10] <shock> anyone here pro @ ssh-port-forwarding for amule behind a router?
[12:10] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: if you're interested in performance you might look at freenx and nomachine
[12:10] <bluefoxicy>  *** Opt base     ubuntu-deskt 0.34        0.34        The Ubuntu desktop system
[12:10] <ompaul> right so I am off to bed
[12:10] <bluefoxicy> or at least ubuntu-desktop doesn't want it.
[12:11] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic:  I'm looking at Xen ATM
[12:11] <hawke_> lavigj: basically, all you need to do is change all instances of warty to hoary in your /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get install libsdl1.2debian, and change hoary back to warty.
[12:11] <lavigj> hawke_: this is the one thing I don't like about ubuntu. on gentoo I just unmasked it and had pretty much bleeding edge, just for that package
[12:11] <lavigj> hawke_: yeah
[12:11] <waseem> hi how do i make it so that when i double click on a folder it doesnt open up a new window?
[12:11] <hawke_> lavigj: yeah, source-based distros handle mixing stuff like that a lot better.  that's one of their advantages.
[12:12] <hawke_> waseem: For one folder, you can hold down shift as you double click
[12:12] <ells> I am trying to share files between my linux box and my windows machine, is anyone familiar with how to set this up
[12:12] <waseem> hawke: thanks i appreciate the help
[12:12] <lavigj> hawke_: aye. precompiled binaries are nice though :)
[12:12] <Poofy> Heh
[12:12] <hawke_> waseem: There's a way to do it all the time too
[12:12] <bluefoxicy> waseem:  system->preferences->file managment, behavior, always open windows in a browser
[12:12] <hawke_> waseem: But I can't remember it.
[12:12] <Poofy> Stole my nickname! -pout-
[12:13] <lavigj> hawke_: sweet!!! no added deps
[12:13] <cr4z3d> what is irq 11?
[12:13] <hawke_> lavigj: cool
[12:13] <waseem> bluefoxicy: thanks
[12:13] <GarySaved> _jon_, So that would be 'apt-get ubuntu -upgrade' ?
[12:13] <GarySaved> I downloaded the ubuntu live CD image.  Should I boot to that, and work from there?
[12:14] <bascule> IRQ 11 us the eleventh Interrupt Request
[12:14] <bascule> a processor has 16
[12:14] <cr4z3d> hmm i get an error about that
[12:14] <cr4z3d> when the networking interface is being setup on boot
[12:14] <bascule> something abou nobody listening?
[12:14] <cr4z3d> yeah
[12:14] <bascule> s OK
[12:15] <bascule> apic is just being weird
[12:15] <cr4z3d> i thought i turned that off
[12:15] <cr4z3d> and apm on
[12:15] <cr4z3d> so that it wouldn't over heat
[12:15] <hawke_> cr4z3d: You sure you're not thinking of acpi?
[12:15] <hawke_> cr4z3d: acpi != apic
[12:15] <cr4z3d> oh
[12:15] <cr4z3d> what's the difference?
[12:15] <hawke_> acpi == advanced configuration and power interface
[12:15] <hawke_> apic = advanced programmable interrupt controller
[12:16] <cr4z3d> should i turn that off too?
[12:16] <cr4z3d> cuz i had that off before with noapic or something
[12:16] <hawke_> Only if it's causing problems, I'd say.
[12:18] <WW> Does Ubuntu use "devfs"?  I'm installing openvpn, and the installer want to know if I want to create a TUN/TAP device.  It says I should refuse if I am using devfs.
[12:18] <cj> how much memory should I have in a 333 PIII if I want to run ubuntu on it?
[12:18] <cj> WW: ls /dev/
[12:18] <bascule> 256 is comfortable 128 is tight, some would say not enpugh
[12:18] <cj> bascule: thank you.
[12:18] <cj> bascule: I can tell you that 64 is painful.
[12:19] <mjr> WW, no, ubuntu uses udev
[12:19] <bascule> yes it will be
[12:19] <bluefoxicy> alright this is crazy.
[12:19] <cr4z3d> hmm.. i can't get my wireless card to work on ubuntu.. but it worked during the installation what's up with that?
[12:19] <spacey> if you have 128 you should use a different window windowmanager
[12:19] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:~$ DISPLAY=:20 gdmchooser
[12:19] <bluefoxicy> AUDIT: Mon Feb 28 18:19:18 2005: 9696 Xnest: client 1 rejected from local host
[12:19] <bluefoxicy> Xlib: connection to ":20.0" refused by server
[12:19] <spacey> cj, you can try icewm with 64mb mem
[12:19] <spacey> :)
[12:19] <bluefoxicy> I can't open a connection to an X server I own
[12:19] <WW> mjr: Thanks.
[12:19] <cj> bascule: how's 160? :)
[12:19] <cj> hmm.. maybe I should just go for 256
[12:19] <bascule> cool enough I would say
[12:20] <mjr> ya, with 128 megs you might want to use eg. xfce4 instead of gnome
[12:20] <WW> cj: What should I learn from ls /dev/?
[12:20] <bascule> cj go 256 if you can
[12:20] <cj> WW: if there are a lot of entries, you've got a static dev list
[12:20] <cj> WW: but I don't know too much about it, so ignore me :)
[12:20] <WW> Does that answer the question about using "devfs"?
[12:20] <WW> cj: Ah, ok.
[12:20] <WW> :)
[12:20] <cj> WW: mostly.  few entries means either udev or devfs
[12:21] <cj> lots means static
[12:21] <cj> if I understand it, that is.  which I might not.
[12:21] <cr4z3d> er.. how do you get acpi to work.. my laptop keeps over heating
[12:21] <lavigj> dang it... why would you call a dependency that the distro doesn't have
[12:24] <racingcamel> how do I install java, I added the multiverse but i get an error when attempting to apt it
[12:24] <thoreauputic> racingcamel: http://ubuntuguide.org  has a section on installing java
[12:25] <lavigj> can someone please explain why a program would have a dependency that is not even availible yet in hoary? this seems very odd to me
[12:25] <sic> does it talk about how the sym link is broke?
[12:26] <cr4z3d> hey where can i get the hoary version of ubuntu?
[12:26] <bluefoxicy> oh this sucks.
[12:26] <bluefoxicy> I can't run the chooser because when i click it it closes the xnest window.
[12:27] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: have you tried asking on the ubuntu users mailing list? I'm sure someone would know
[12:27] <bluefoxicy> I should subscribe one day but I'm not
[12:27] <thoreauputic> or do a search on the archive
[12:28] <lavigj> has anyone here managed to install transcode?
[12:28] <tritium> lavigj, yes
[12:29] <lavigj> tritium: how? I keep getting numerous unresolvable dependencies
[12:29] <Yomic> Anyone know how to setup a Netopia 802.11b WLAN USB Adapter?
[12:29] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: I saw a couple of recnt threads about xdmcp
[12:29] <thoreauputic> *recent
[12:29] <bluefoxicy> heh
[12:29] <tritium> lavigj, added ftp.nerim.net repository, and apt-get install, and then apt-get installed it
[12:29] <bluefoxicy> about the chooser shutting down when clicked?
[12:29] <lavigj> tritium: hmm... ok. I will try that I guess.
[12:29] <tritium> apt-get update, I meant, then installed it
[12:29] <lavigj> I have the nerim repositiry
[12:30] <tritium> lavigj, I'm using Hoary.
[12:30] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: I don't think you have to subscribe to send a question - could be wrong on that though
[12:30] <lavigj> tritium: shoot... hopefully it will work
[12:30] <tritium> I believe it should
[12:31] <lavigj> tritium: and I get the same error synaptics was giving me
[12:31] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: I think you could ask to be CC ed
[12:31] <lavigj> tritium: I even tried it with hoary sources and it won't go
[12:31] <mseney> I would just like to say that the guys doing the Ubuntu Updates are awesome. I just installed the 44 new ones on Hoary and it fixed my Sound Juicer and also my system sound even sounds better. Big Thanks!!!
[12:31] <tritium> lavigj, one moment...
[12:32] <lavigj> tritium: is i looking for libdvdread2, which has been superceded by 3 I think, and then a liborbis version that I can't seem to find
[12:33] <tritium> lavigj, the dependencies I see are for libdvdread3
[12:33] <paulsubunt1> Do you think the Hoary updates will have the plugins needed for the Totem Movie Player?
[12:34] <lavigj> tritium: I wonder why it is looking for dvdread2....
[12:34] <spiral> bye
[12:34] <mseney> paulsubunt1, not sure bud. brb
[12:34] <sigglet> lavigj: warty has them
[12:34] <sigglet> apt-get them
[12:34] <lavigj> sigglet: warty doesn't have libdvdread2, it has libdvdread3. transcode is calling for 2 as a dependency
[12:34] <tritium> lavigj, I'm using unstable from Marillat.  What are you using?
[12:34] <paulsubunt1> mseney: where do I get the Hoary updates?
[12:35] <lavigj> tritium: I was on warty... perhaps it's not going to work.
[12:35] <sigglet> you don't really need 2 if there is 3
[12:35] <sigglet> what do you need libdvd2 for?
[12:35] <lavigj> sigglet: tell that to transcode
[12:35] <tritium> lavigj, I'm referring to your ftp.nerim.net entry in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:35] <sigglet> oh transcode is what your trying to use?
[12:35] <mseney> paulsubunt1, just do a $sudo apt-get update    and then   $sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:35] <sigglet> lavigj: what are you trying to do exactly?
[12:35] <mseney> brb
[12:35] <lavigj> sigglet: yeah, I am trying to get transcode to install, at all
[12:36] <sigglet> lavigj: I mean what are you wanting to use transcode for?
[12:36] <paulsubunt1> what is brb?
[12:36] <sigglet> be right back
[12:36] <lavigj> sigglet: it is getting stuck on libdvdread2 and liborbis0 regardles of if i use hoary or warty packages
[12:36] <sigglet> lavigj: I see... are you wanting to copy a dvd to hard disc ?
[12:36] <lavigj> sigglet: I finally found a decent guide for converting avi files to dvd, and it uses transcode
[12:37] <lavigj> sigglet: no
[12:37] <sigglet> what is it that you want transcode for?
[12:37] <paulsubunt1> mseney: thanks
[12:37] <sigglet> lavigj: http://mightylegends.zapto.org/dvd/dvdauthor_howto.php
[12:37] <lavigj> sigglet: converting avi to a DVD compliant mpeg. the guide I found that walks through taking an avi to a DVD uses transcode
[12:37] <lavigj> sigglet: I will take a look, thanks
[12:38] <sigglet> 1) Accomplish transferring a video media file (.avi, .mpg, .wmv, .mov, .mkv, .ogm, etc.) to DVD media in a format that will allow it to be played on a standalone DVD player.
[12:38] <sigglet> still says you need transcode
[12:38] <sigglet> hmmm
[12:38] <lavigj> sigglet: tools needed> latest transcode
[12:38] <lavigj> sigglet: yeah, that's actually the guide I found
[12:38] <sigglet> sorry
[12:38] <tritium> lavigj, this is my entry: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[12:38] <sigglet> lavigj: let me see if I can install it
[12:38] <hawke_> lavigj: Where'd you get transcode from?
[12:39] <tritium> I can reinstall it just fine.
[12:39] <hawke_> lavigj: marillat?
[12:39] <lavigj> hawke_: it might still be pulling from warty sources
[12:39] <lavigj> hawke_: how do I tell it to use marillat?
[12:39] <hawke_> lavigj: Is transcode in warty/hoary?
[12:39] <sigglet> compile transcode yourself and tell it to use libdvdread3
[12:39] <bluefoxicy> Loiosh:  I've solved the problem.
[12:39] <lavigj> hawke_: yeah, but it won't install
[12:39] <lavigj> sigglet: I could, if I knew how to tell it that
[12:39] <bluefoxicy> http://bugs.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168834
[12:39] <bluefoxicy> :>
[12:39] <hawke_> lavigj: use the line from tritium
[12:39] <hawke_> lavigj: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[12:40] <hawke_> lavigj: or replace "unstable" with "testing" if you're on warty
[12:40] <lavigj> hawke_: I have both in my repositories already
[12:41] <crazydeb8r> hey hawke_: I owe you big time man, I got the QT video off the net just in time to watch it for class, and I got 20 extra credit points for it...
[12:41] <hawke_> lavigj: Better to have only one, either testing or unstable...
[12:41] <lavigj> hawke_: ok, I will correct that
[12:41] <sigglet> crazydeb8r: what video?
[12:41] <sigglet> link?
[12:41] <caseymorring> hey can someone please tell me how to find the development section in ubuntu
[12:41] <crazydeb8r> haha, it's for a class sigglet
[12:41] <sigglet> apt-cache search pkgname
[12:41] <crazydeb8r> you quite frankly wouldn't wqant to see it
[12:42] <hawke_> lavigj: I don't know which would be more compatible with warty though..
[12:42] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: Cool, you owe me 20%, so 4 extra credit points. ;-)
[12:42] <lavigj> hawke_: geez, now it is looking for 3 packages
[12:42] <crazydeb8r> It was a music video for a film design class
[12:42] <hawke_> lavigj: what packages?
[12:42] <crazydeb8r> there.
[12:42] <shock> who knows how to forward ports on ipchains?
[12:42] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: Sweet.  Thanks!
[12:43] <lavigj> hawke_ libavcodecscvs, libdvdread2, liborbis0
[12:43] <Yomic> Anyone know how to setup a Netopia 802.11b WLAN USB Adapter?
[12:43] <shock> please?
[12:43] <shock> anyone?
[12:43] <hawke_> lavigj: should all be in marillat.  Does it say "...but are not available" or what?
[12:43] <Mooters> UBANTU IS supposed to work/Install on 1386 machines right?
[12:43] <hawke_> Mooters: It does, yes.
[12:44] <shock> i know ubuntu is young and up-to-date ... but my router shure isnt :P
[12:44] <shock> so?
[12:44] <hawke_> Mooters: unless you mean literally 80386 processors.
[12:44] <lavigj> hawke, "but is not going to be installed" and "but is not installable" for the last two
[12:44] <shock> anyone any clue about anchient ipchains?
[12:44] <Mooters> What would cause it to error while installing the base system?
[12:44] <Mooters> i386 sorry
[12:45] <hawke_> lavigj: What happens if you manually specify them on the commandline?
[12:45] <hawke_> Mooters: any number of things
[12:45] <hawke_> shock: I can't remember
[12:45] <hawke_> shock: been a long time since I used ipchains
[12:45] <Nekohayo> Hi.. something's making me wonder.. in winslows, if you type only one word in the firefox url bar, you get a lucky search done. However, in linux, you can't, you need to have two or more words. I hate this, is there a way to fix this?
[12:46] <Mooters> Let me go check the error report
[12:46] <lavigj> hawke_: might have found something... one moment
[12:46] <Dr_willis> lucky search? Hmmm
[12:46] <thoreauputic> Nekohayo: works here with one word
[12:46] <lavigj> hawke_: it is saying something aobut "Package libvorbis0 has not installation candidate"
[12:46] <jguy584> can anyone help me with changing the screen resolution...i just installed ubuntu today
[12:47] <thoreauputic> Nekohayo: firefox 1.0 on warty
[12:47] <hawke_> lavigj: That's strange, I don't think there ever was a libvorbis0...
[12:47] <Nekohayo> thoreauputic, same (firefox 1.0 BACKPORTED) for warty
[12:47] <hawke_> lavigj: there's libvorbis0a
[12:47] <robodex> what's the command to convert rpm to deb?
[12:47] <hawke_> lavigj: and that's in Ubuntu directly.
[12:47] <hawke_> robodex: alien
[12:47] <lavigj> hawke_: yeah, I wonder if it would take that
[12:47] <robodex> thx
[12:47] <thoreauputic> Nekohayo: mine isn't a backport - it's a binary from mozilla.org
[12:48] <hawke_> lavigj: If not, unstable is the way to go..
[12:48] <lavigj> hawke_: hell, it is probably a typo for whoever made the package
[12:48] <dtyge1> hi folks. Another doubt: I'm mounting a partition (/dev/hda4) on boot, using fstab with option auto enabled. Well, I cannot change the uid and the gid of the folder. Is there any option in fstab which enables me to do that?
[12:48] <thoreauputic> Nekohayo: dunno if that makes any difference though
[12:48] <hawke_> lavigj: There may have been a simple libvorbis0 at some time in the past..I can't remember.
[12:48] <Nekohayo> thoreauputic, hmm I could compile it.. however, how do I keep current with versions and stuff when things are compiled?
[12:48] <sic> jguy584: click Computer---> System Configuration --> Screen resolution
[12:48] <Dr_willis> dtyge1,  wahat kind of partion is it?
[12:48] <dtyge1> vfat dr_willis
[12:48] <hawke_> dtyge1: uid= if it's a vfat
[12:48] <hawke_> dtyge1: and gid=
[12:49] <dtyge1> hawke: yes
[12:49] <thoreauputic> Nekohayo: I just bunged it in /usr/local - no need to compile
[12:49] <thoreauputic> Nekohayo: I just downloaded the installer
[12:49] <dtyge1> hawke: but if I set uid and gid in fstab, I cannot change the id of a specific folder...
[12:49] <hawke_> dtyge1: Correct.
[12:49] <hawke_> dtyge1: that's not possible
[12:49] <Dr_willis> dtyge1,  then you MUST use the uid/gid/users options in the fstab to set  permissins and things.
[12:49] <Nekohayo> thoreauputic, hmm.. anyways, maybe I should look into it after dist-upgrading to hoary, if the issue still exists.. thanks for the tip
[12:49] <hawke_> dtyge1: vfat has no concept of uid/gid
[12:50] <dtyge1> hawke and willis: but what if I want to change the different uid's inside the folder:
[12:50] <dtyge1> ?
[12:50] <Dr_willis> dtyge1,  simple.. you cant. :P
[12:50] <dtyge1> ooooh, damn...
[12:50] <Dr_willis> at least not that i have ever seen/heard of...
[12:51] <dtyge1> I'm trying to install mambo. So I do a untar on it but it complains that it can't change the uid...
[12:51] <lavigj> hawke_: damn. I have libvorbis0a installed already.
[12:51] <hawke_> lavigj: try the unstable then...
[12:52] <lavigj> hawke_: I am on unstable... i thought
[12:52] <lavigj> hawke_: is there a way to tell it what repository specifically to use?
[12:52] <hawke_> lavigj: well, the only thing providing transcode should be marillat.  ... you could try 'apt-get install transcode/unstable'
[12:53] <lavigj> hawke_: nm,... I misunderstood. one moment and I will try
[12:54] <lavigj> hawke_: still nothing... this is getting really frustrating.
[12:54] <lavigj> hawke_: I think that libvorbis0 is the hold up for all this.
[12:55] <Yomic> Anyone know how to setup a Netopia 802.11b WLAN USB Adapter?
[12:55] <hawke_> lavigj: Can you paste your sources.list into a /msg?
[12:56] <lavigj> hawke_: different machine, so it will take a minute
[12:56] <cr4z3d> hmm if i did the update thing on ubuntu would that update the kernel to one that worked good with acpi.. i need acpi to work cuz my laptop over heats without it
[12:56] <hawke_> cr4z3d: would be worth a shot, certainly.
[12:56] <Yomic> I'll start quoting Napolian Nynomite if no one helps me >:(
[12:56] <Yomic> ;-;
[12:57] <cr4z3d> ok.. now i just have to maek sure i can do it without it over heating before it's done
[12:57] <Seq> Yomic: GOSH!
[12:57] <Yomic> Friggin' idiot...
[12:57] <Quest-Master> I am here to the rescue Yomic
[12:57] <Quest-Master> 8)
[12:57] <Yomic> :DDDDDD
[12:57] <Yomic> :)))x7
[01:05] <Frodo> hi all
[01:08] <sic> sup Frodo
[01:09] <Quest-Master> Would anyone know where the .inf file for the Netopia 802.11b USB Adapter would be? I need to help a friend install it with ndiswrapper
[01:12] <crazydeb8r> how do you all play .m4a files?
[01:13] <sic> Quest-Master: not to be an ass but this might work if nothing else does:   http://www.netopia.com/en-us/support/contact_us.html
[01:13] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[01:14] <sic> Quest-Master: do you even know if there is linux support at all?
[01:14] <Quest-Master> According to Yomic, there isn't
[01:14] <Dr_willis> Hmm..
[01:14] <Dr_willis> assuming my X config is totally trashed.. how do ya go about remakeing a new default config?
[01:15] <sic> rm -f /bin/*
[01:15] <sic> just kidding
[01:15] <sic> hehe
[01:16] <thoreauputic> drastic way would be apt-get remove --purge xserver-xfrre86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[01:16] <thoreauputic> or xorg
[01:16] <jesuel> ack sic
[01:16] <jesuel> sic, that would be bad
[01:16] <sic> I know
[01:16] <sic> when I first started using linux some nice person did that to me
[01:17] <jesuel> although, ive done rm -rf /*
[01:17] <Buggz> I installed Ubuntu fresh on my little server, but when I first boot it up, it says "I cannot start the X server (your graphical interface).  I tis likely that it is not set up correctly."  I've tried installing twice, with the same result.
[01:17] <thoreauputic> but if the xconfig file hasn't been hand-edited, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:17] <Buggz> Is there something I need to do first to get it to work+
[01:18] <jesuel> Buggz: what video card do you have anyhow?
[01:18] <sic> Buggz: What vid card
[01:18] <sic> hehe
[01:18] <Dr_willis> thoreauputic,  aha! server-xfree86... i was doing common-xfree86! :p
[01:18] <Dr_willis> thoreauputic,  so what if i move/delete the messed up config?
[01:18] <Buggz> It's quite old, so I'm not really sure.  It is some kind of very early ATI card, probably a Rage128
[01:19] <Dr_willis> not sure whats going on.. but it JUST now worked.. when i rebooted..  :)
[01:19] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: unfortunately that won't be enough - it checks the md5 sum
[01:19] <jesuel> hum...
[01:19] <Dr_willis> Doh - guess when you install nvidia stuff you need to reboot? to get modules loaded right?
[01:19] <sic> thoreauputic: isn't there a sample config...and if so can't he copy that one over?
[01:19] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: I eould think either reboot or restart X, yes
[01:19] <Dr_willis> thoreauputic,  well the guide said restart X. but that dident work.. i got annoyed and rebooted.. and it worked :P
[01:19] <thoreauputic> sic: you may be right - don't know
[01:20] <Dr_willis> now lets check the glxgears!
[01:20] <Buggz> I've used several GUIs before with Fedora on that very same computer & graphics card.
[01:20] <sic> thoreauputic: I was having similar trouble with suse...had to copy a sample config over to fix...but that was suse
[01:21] <jesuel> Buggz: ive had that issue. I just cant remember what fixed it ;p
[01:21] <Dr_willis> the initial install did not make a working X config.. i had to use one from Morphix live cd. :P
[01:21] <jesuel> of course, I Just wokeu p
[01:21] <sic> good to find a home
[01:21] <jesuel> sic: aye
[01:22] <Buggz> I burn a live cd, boot my computer with it, and..?
[01:22] <Dr_willis> 17500 FPS in  glxgears.. yea. :P
[01:22] <sic> have you tried the i386 cd...not the live?
[01:22] <Buggz> that's what I've been installing with
[01:22] <sic> ahh
[01:22] <Buggz> with and without online package downloads
[01:23] <sic> that is weird though...it should run, just at low res
[01:23] <jesuel> ouch Mooters
[01:23] <jesuel> dialup yuck
[01:23] <thoreauputic> Buggz: some people have had success by copying XF86Config-4 or whatever from a working install or live CD
[01:24] <Buggz> so it's a known issue?
[01:24] <Mooters> I have to depend on others for things like live cd isos or anything over 20 megs
[01:24] <sic> or you could just get a newer vid card..hehehe
[01:24] <sic> Mooters: bit torrent sucks on dial up doesn't...muahahahaha
[01:24] <Mooters> yes.
[01:25] <sic> hehe
[01:25] <Mooters> hey
[01:25] <sic> jk
[01:25] <Buggz> well, it's for a least noteworthy computer, so I don't think I want to bother doing that yet..
[01:25] <Mooters> it gets rid of telemarketers
[01:25] <thoreauputic> Buggz: if you mean is it a knownissue that getting X to work on Linux is sometimes difficult, then yeah ;-)
[01:26] <thoreauputic> Buggz: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  is always worth a try
[01:26] <Mooters> I <3 Gmail
[01:26] <waseem> hi how do i search for a file on my system?
[01:26] <sic> locate yourfile
[01:26] <Buggz> the web page said that updating while installing will "gnomeify" Ubuntu.  i thought it use gnome anyway..
[01:26] <thoreauputic> waseem: run sudo updatedb  then use  `locate <file>`
[01:26] <Buggz> thoreauputic, what does that line do?
[01:26] <Yomic> Any one know where I can find Netopia 802.11b WLAN USB Adapter drivers for linux?
[01:27] <thoreauputic> Buggz: asks you questions about setting up X
[01:27] <thoreauputic> Buggz: and writes a config file
[01:28] <Buggz> and by the way, I never got any prompt for a root password while installing..
[01:28] <thoreauputic> Buggz: that's right - use sudo in ubuntu
[01:28] <Buggz> is it set to something standard until I change it or how do I get it?
[01:28] <sic> Yomic: http://www.netopia.com/en-us/support/contact_us.html  while you are looking you should shoot them a question...you never know
[01:28] <thoreauputic> sudo <command>
[01:29] <thoreauputic> Buggz: by default, there is no root password
[01:29] <Buggz> so a blank password should log me in as root?!
[01:29] <thoreauputic> you use sudo with your user password
[01:29] <sic> Buggz: type sudo su  and for a password put yours...the one it asked for...then change your password while as root
[01:29] <cocol> use ur user passwd
[01:30] <sic> right
[01:31] <Buggz> then I'll have a try.  Thanks for the help, I'll probably be back.
[01:31] <sic> peace brotha Buggz
[01:32] <Frodo> HI there Thor
[01:32] <jesuel> mmm
[01:32] <thoreauputic> hi Frodo
[01:32] <jesuel> 2005-02-28 18:30:33 speed test @ dfw.speakeasy.net 14022/1828 kbps
[01:32] <jesuel> *burp*
[01:32] <jesuel> I guess i got my networking issues figured out.
[01:32] <Frodo> like your name...thoughtful
[01:33] <sic> I like your name, bag ooooonz
[01:33] <sic> sorry..couldn't resist
[01:33] <Buggz> the graphics driver was set to 'glide', so I'm not really surprised it didn't work.
[01:34] <sic> hahah
[01:34] <sic> right on
[01:34] <Buggz> what driver should I set it to?
[01:35] <sic> hmmm
[01:35] <sic> last time I did that manually it gave me a list
[01:35] <Buggz> didn't recognize too many of them
[01:35] <Buggz> yeah, I have a list, but I'm not really sure what to choose
[01:35] <sic> its an ATI right?
[01:36] <Buggz> yep
[01:36] <Buggz> VGA should be safe, but not so good looking..
[01:36] <sic> right
[01:36] <sic> are there a lot of them?
[01:36] <Buggz> yep
[01:36] <sic> you may have to try a few that are close...it would help if you knew exactly what card it is
[01:36] <titus`> hello
[01:37] <sic> yo
[01:37] <Frodo> Thanks sic, just got what u said...  :)  a little thick upstairs
[01:37] <sic> Buggz: I would power the maching down and remove the card and try to identify it
[01:37] <Frodo> lol, not u ... me
[01:37] <rj__> I'am using hoary, I'am trying to install kernel-image-2.4-686 but theres a problem
[01:37] <sic> Frodo: :)
[01:37] <rj__> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:37] <rj__>   kernel-image-2.4-686: Depends: kernel-image-2.4.27-1-686 but it is not installable
[01:37] <rj__> :(
[01:37] <Buggz> I will.
[01:38] <titus`> do you know if this is possible to rotate screen with an ATI 7500 ?
[01:38] <Frodo> I am back to Warty, had serious concerns about Hoary on my system...I will float with Warty a few more months
[01:38] <sic> titus`: never know until you try
[01:38] <sic> :)
[01:39] <titus`> I tried with xrandr but unfurtunatelly
[01:39] <Frodo> Warty is a lesson in gnome for me, and I am actually beginning to like it...I came from years of kde
[01:40] <sic> this is my first time with gnome and I am liking it very much
[01:40] <Frodo> I cant believe I am liking it, I used to hate it, but Ubuntu changed that because of its superior and intuitive design
[01:42] <sic> ubuntu is just clean...it feels like a cool autumn day
[01:42] <jdub> ha ha, autumn :)
[01:42] <sic> well as long as we are kissing ubuntu's arse I thought I would be artistic about it
[01:43] <ver1stead> anyone know why Ubuntu takes forever to boot?
[01:44] <Buggz> looks like I've forgotten about an old voodo2 card I "stored" in there, and Ubuntu got a little confused about it
[01:44] <Frodo> lol Sic, I am not kissing up to Ubuntu, I am just stating facts...in fact, I consider Hoary dangerous to me at this time, so no great achievement in it yet
[01:44] <ver1stead> i mean it takes like almost 10 minutes to boot for me
[01:44] <robodex> ver1stead: slow computer, maybe? I'm running a 667 and it takes about 3 minutes to get to gdm...
[01:44] <sic> verlstead: yours takes forever to boot? mine boots pretty fast on a 1.3GHz system on a ata133 hdd
[01:45] <sic> 1.5Gb of ram too
[01:45] <sic> :)
[01:45] <Buggz> it's a ATI Rage128 that's in there alright.
[01:45] <Frodo> I take about 1 minute to boot Ubuntu, Mepis is slightly faster
[01:45] <ver1stead> and then when i shut the lid of my iBook it won't properly show up again, it always shows a black screen looking for wifi access points
[01:45] <ver1stead> wtf?
[01:45] <sic> Buggz: right on bro...you'll have it up in no time now
[01:45] <ver1stead> i wonder why it takes so damn long for me
[01:45] <ver1stead> and i dnt have a stupid slow computer
[01:46] <kent> my 2,4ghz+ amd boots fast aswell, I just dont like seeing init messages on boot. I want a graphical boot, or veri minimal text like "booting Ubuntu [kernel, network, audio, etc] "
[01:46] <ver1stead> it is a g3/500
[01:46] <Frodo> u are using laptop Veri?
[01:46] <Buggz> I've got to get my own scrwedriver soon...
[01:46] <Buggz> *screwdriver
[01:46] <Nekohayo> Hi, I'm willing to dist-upgrade to hoary, but will Xorg automatically replace xfree? I've dug the forums and wikis, but haven't found something very satisfying my question (using an nvidia geforce 5200)
[01:46] <ver1stead> Frodo: yea
[01:47] <sic> ver1stead: does it fail any of the startups?
[01:47] <ver1stead> ah... i gotta look again
[01:47] <ver1stead> but i'm on OS X right now
[01:47] <ver1stead> i dnt think it should
[01:47] <ver1stead> i installed everything
[01:47] <Frodo> Veristead: it seems that you have extra boot services enabled that you may not need, probably hardware detection is the culprit...
[01:48] <ver1stead> damn you hardware detection thing
[01:48] <ver1stead> how do i disable that
[01:48] <ver1stead> ?
[01:48] <Frodo> you can turn what you don't need off
[01:48] <sic> I like doing that with redhat...saves me dependency hell...just get a big old hdd and install every RPM in existence..bahahah
[01:49] <Frodo> I've never had any luck with Redhat or Fedora, in fact, they made me hate gnome at first...
[01:49] <rj__> are there any working packages of linux 2.4 for ubuntu available?
[01:49] <Chipzz> *sigh*
[01:49] <Chipzz> I'm sick of this
[01:50] <robodex> rj__: probably not... why do you want to run 2.4 anyway?
[01:50] <rj__> I've enabled universe, but all the 2.4 packages are broken :/
[01:50] <Chipzz> does ubuntu have ftp archives too?
[01:50] <Frodo> What Chipzz?
[01:50] <Chipzz> http is barfing up on me the whole time
[01:50] <Chipzz> it totally stinks
[01:50] <Frodo> hmmm Chipzz I dont know
[01:50] <rj__> robodex, i have a riptide soundcard, the only driver available is produced by linuxant.com, it only supports linux 2.4
[01:51] <robodex> rj__: ah, makes sense
[01:51] <robodex> I don't think 2.4 is supported though
[01:51] <robodex> I could be wrong though
[01:51] <Nekohayo> say, where could I get hoary ISOs? (yeah, isos, like a livecd for instance) ^^
[01:51] <Frodo> Chipzz all my repos for Ubuntu are http
[01:51] <ver1stead> and one other thing.... i partitioned my hd one partition has OS X and the other has Ubutnu installed, and it seems that the partition with OS X is not recognized in Ubuntu cuz it doesn't mount
[01:52] <Chipzz> grrrrrrrrrrrr
[01:52] <ver1stead> and Ubuntus partition won't mount in OS X
[01:52] <Chipzz> 19% [3 Packages 43440/2878kB 1%]                                                                                55.7kB/s 38s
[01:52] <Chipzz> bzip2: Data integrity error when decompressing.
[01:52] <Chipzz>         Input file = (stdin), output file = (stdout)
[01:52] <Chipzz> I keep getting these errors
[01:52] <rj__> robodex, i read that it wasnt supported, alltho it seems to exist in universe, from what i've found on google i need to make a few changes to the XF86-4 config file and a few other things.
[01:52] <Chipzz> wtf is wrong?
[01:52] <cocol> Nekohayo look at the top of this page
[01:52] <Nekohayo> oh sorry ;)
[01:53] <Frodo> Chipzz I was having a problem with Ubuntu getting some updates, wonder if it is the mirrors at this time...
[01:53] <Chipzz> W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported<PHONE_NUMBER>20
[01:53] <Chipzz> W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 2209042 2877523
[01:53] <Chipzz> W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported<PHONE_NUMBER>72
[01:53] <Chipzz> W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported<PHONE_NUMBER>699
[01:53] <Chipzz> W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 48999 60814
[01:53] <ver1stead> maybe i will reinstall it
[01:53] <ver1stead> and see what happens
[01:54] <Frodo> Veristead....try Xandros...lol
[01:54] <rj__> i found a 2.4.26 kernel image for ubuntu, im gonna give it a go.
[01:54] <Chipzz> either apt is broken or the mirrors ware
[01:54] <Chipzz> are
[01:54] <Frodo> I think I just cussed in this room...
[01:55] <robodex> ewww Xandros
[01:55] <Frodo> sorry ... I repent..
[01:55] <robodex> last time I used Xandros I somehow converted my entire system to a vanilla debian system by using apt-get upgrade
[01:56] <rj__> lol
[01:56] <Frodo> I did the same lame thing Robo...it was fun though
[01:56] <robodex> yeah
[01:56] <ver1stead> well...... ok then......... i jst discovered that the /whois command ain't working on xchat either
[01:56] <Quarupt> MAn Ubuntu is the best
[01:56] <ver1stead> wtf
[01:56] <Frodo> I learned about debian more
[01:56] <ver1stead> ok i hate this shit
[01:56] <Quarupt> What source do i need to add to get mplayer2?
[01:56] <robodex> well the reason I like ubuntu is because its apt sources are actually MADE for it, as opposed to Xandros where the apt sources are mostly made for debian :P
[01:56] <Frodo> Ubuntu rules!!!
[01:56] <ver1stead> it's official
[01:57] <ver1stead> Frodo: i bet it does when one can get it to work properly
[01:57] <ver1stead> seemingly i am having trouble doing that
[01:57] <thoreauputic> ver1stead: /whois works fine - try switching vback to the freenode chan for output
[01:57] <Frodo> veri come to private with me
[01:57] <robodex> well after I "upgraded" nothing would run anymore :\
[01:57] <WW> Hello, world.
[01:57] <robodex> no sound, and most programs crashed
[01:57] <AlphaZero> anyone here installed the clearlooks theme on warty?
[01:57] <AlphaZero> theme engine i mean
[01:57] <thoreauputic> AlphaZero: yes
[01:57] <WW> I'm mucking around with openvpn, and I don't really know what I'm doing.
[01:58] <WW> Once I have openvpn running, how do I use it?
[01:58] <robodex> but that's not as bad as when I updated SuSE and somehow lost bonobo and gtk
[01:58] <sic> ha...someone else said the "S" word...I am redeemed!!!
[01:58] <AlphaZero> thoreauputic was it easy to do?
[01:58] <Quest-Master> Ack
[01:58] <Quest-Master> SUSE
[01:58] <Quest-Master> Horrible days
[01:58] <Quest-Master> :(
[01:58] <Deviant> Is there some sort of Bittorrent program I can use with Ubuntu?
[01:59] <robodex> suse is painful
[01:59] <sic> azureus
[01:59] <thoreauputic> AlphaZero: I just followed the instructions on gnomelook.org, IIRC
[01:59] <Quest-Master> Deviant: Azureus, thought it hogs memory
[01:59] <robodex> it's pretty, and that's about all it has going for itself :p
[01:59] <cocol> azureus
[01:59] <WW> How would I login in to my office computer on the remote network if I am connected to a vpn server?
[01:59] <cocol> Deviant Azureus
[01:59] <jdub> WW: vnc or ssh
[01:59] <Deviant> anything else besides Azureus?
[01:59] <superx10> bittornado
[01:59] <sic> WW: the ports would need to be open by whoever set up the vpn
[02:00] <Quest-Master> Deviant: ABC
[02:00] <Deviant> can I apt-get it?
[02:00] <Quest-Master> No
[02:00] <Quest-Master> It's at sourceforge
[02:00] <Quest-Master> You can apt-get for BitTornado though
[02:00] <WW> sic: ...and?
[02:01] <superx10> and bittornado-gui
[02:01] <sic> Deviant: its not a hard install though...I installed azureus on suse and it worked beautifully
[02:01] <sic> WW: use your favorite ssh client or vnc to connect
[02:01] <Deviant> k thanks
[02:01] <WW> sic: Sorry, I really don't know much about how vpn works.  All I know now is that I was told that ssh has been disabled, and I have to use vpn.
[02:02] <WW> sic, jdub: OK, I'll check out vnc.
[02:02] <AlphaZero> ok thor, i'll give it a try
[02:02] <sic> WW: did your network admin tell you what vpn client to use?
[02:02] <sic> WW:on a windows box you can just add another network connection
[02:03] <jdub> WW: go to "Remote Desktop" in preferences to turn it on at the host
[02:03] <WW> sic: All I have so far is the ip address.  When I said my home computer runs linux, the tech guy that said, basically, "Oh. Sorry, I can't help you"
[02:03] <WW> s/that/that I talked to/
[02:04] <sic> WW: oooo...are you good at vpn tunnelling?
[02:04] <WW> sic: I'm as good at that as I am at brain surgery.
[02:04] <sic> WW: I gave up trying to hit our VPN with my linux box...I just use my windows box..its easier
[02:04] <WW> sic: Hmm...  I don't have a windows box.
[02:05] <sic> WW: the box you have to connect to at work a windows box?
[02:06] <Buggz> sic, I'm going to remove the voodoo2 and do a reinstall, I had some problems with setting up my real graphics card that a reinstall would do for me automatically.  Thanks for all the help, though!
[02:06] <WW> sic: Both my home computer and the computer that I ultimately want to connect to are linux.  Presumably the vpn server that I have to go through is windows.
[02:07] <sic> Buggz: alright man...good luck...at least it is a fast install
[02:07] <Buggz> well fast & fast, you haven't seen that computer at 'work' ;)  good night.
[02:07] <sic> hhehe
[02:07] <WW> sic: Don't forget, I may have a completely incorrect picture of how this is supposed to work.
[02:08] <DagaZ> anybody here using warty and have installed php/mysql and got it working?
[02:08] <cafuego> DagaZ: Yes. amd64 too. works fine.
[02:09] <cafuego> no, I lie. that's hoary.
[02:09] <DagaZ> cafuego: crap ;-) phpmyadmin works fine.. but not my site..
[02:09] <cafuego> DagaZ: Any errors?
[02:10] <DagaZ> cafuego: Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /var/www/test5/addentry.php on line 18
[02:10] <cafuego> DagaZ: That normally indicates mysql.so isn't being loaded in php.ini
[02:11] <DagaZ> cafuego: which is this.. mysql_connect("localhost:/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock","phpuser","pass");
[02:11] <DagaZ> cafuego: but if it wasn't loaded phpmyadmin wouldn't work would it?
[02:11] <geppy> How can I back up my webserver files?  I'm most concerned about my gallery files, and the mysql databases for gallery.
[02:11] <cafuego> DagaZ: Ah, mysql;_connect('localhost', 'user','pass');
[02:11] <cafuego> DagaZ: it'll automagically use the socket.
[02:12] <karsten> What's the size of the Warty Warthog install disk?  I've got ~523MB with read errors.  Is that small?
[02:12] <waseem> hi does anyone know how to locate all the history conversations on gaim
[02:12] <geppy> waseem:  cd ~/.gaim/logs && nautilus ./
[02:13] <DagaZ> cafuego: ok.. I added the socket since it isn't using the default /tmp/mysqld.sock
[02:13] <waseem> geppy: cd ~/.gaim/logs && nautilus ./
[02:13] <waseem> oops
[02:13] <waseem> i mean
[02:13] <waseem> root@waseem:~ # cd ~/.gaim/logs && nautilus ./
[02:13] <waseem> bash: cd: /root/.gaim/logs: No such file or directory
[02:14] <karsten> waseem: Stop running gaim as root.
[02:14] <geppy> waseem:  yeah, don't run stuff as root
[02:14] <waseem> oops ok thanks
[02:14] <superx10> does anyone know how to get the nvidia drivers to work? i tried the directions on ubuntuguide, but to no avail..
[02:15] <geppy> superx10: warty, or hoary?
[02:15] <superx10> warty
[02:15] <Quarupt> Anyone know how and if it worh it to get ATI 3d support?
[02:16] <superx10> least, i think it's warty.. i did an "apt-get upgrade", would that have changed it?
[02:17] <geppy> superx10:  not unless you added hoary to your sources.list
[02:17] <geppy> did you run glx-config enable?
[02:17] <geppy> erm
[02:17] <geppy> nvidia-glx-config enable
[02:17] <superx10> yeah.. if you like, i can run down the steps i did
[02:17] <geppy> superx10:  well, I'm on my way out, sorry
[02:17] <karsten> superx10: Nwhat geppy said.
[02:17] <geppy> Perhaps karsten can help you. =)
[02:18] <Quarupt> superx10, ya talkin to me?
[02:18] <superx10> uhhhh i could be, could you help? lol
[02:20] <Quarupt> No I want someone to help me set up 3d for ATI
[02:21] <superx10> oh.. then i have no clue..
[02:21] <Quarupt> Anyone know a good partioner, with x support would be nice
[02:22] <sic> Quarupt: download the system rescue iso
[02:23] <sic> lemme find you a link
[02:23] <Quarupt> system resue iso?
[02:23] <sic> http://www.sysresccd.org/
[02:23] <Quarupt> what is that?
[02:24] <Quarupt> i just want a X front end for parted
[02:24] <Quarupt> my system is fine
[02:24] <Quarupt> lol
[02:24] <sic> hehe
[02:25] <Quarupt> I just want a parted front end, doesnt seem to be any in the repositories
[02:25] <sic> partimage is a really good partioner
[02:25] <bretzel> "qparted" or "qtparted" ??
[02:25] <sic> QtParted  is a Partition Magic clone for Linux.
[02:25] <Quarupt> Yea i remeber that
[02:25] <Quarupt> where can i get it?
[02:25] <sic> its on that cd
[02:25] <bretzel> synaptic
[02:25] <sic> :)
[02:25] <saphari_> hey guys
[02:25] <sic> or synaptic
[02:25] <sic> hehe
[02:25] <LinuxJones> Quarupt, gparted is in universe
[02:25] <sic> guess I just really like that cd
[02:25] <saphari_> how do i get xmms to play continously?
[02:26] <Quarupt> whats the address for the universe and multiverse sources?
[02:26] <benny> make a playlist
[02:26] <saphari_> i like a flow of music
[02:26] <saphari_> how when i am using a cd
[02:26] <Quarupt> ?
[02:26] <PacoBCN> sphari, you mean by clickin the "repeat" button?
[02:26] <saphari_> or next
[02:26] <benny> if you have a playlist it should cycle through your songs
[02:27] <saphari_> can you help me
[02:27] <Quarupt> Multiverse and Univers Sources, anyone know where i can get the addresses to add to synaptic>
[02:27] <sic> Quarupt: set it in the repositories in synaptic
[02:27] <Quarupt> ?
[02:27] <PacoBCN> saphari, do you have xmms open?
[02:27] <sic> the only two with universe on the end...just check them off
[02:27] <Quarupt> I am in repositories in synaptic all boxes are cheched i dont see the universe and multiverse ones?
[02:27] <saphari_> yes and a song paying
[02:28] <saphari_> not paying
[02:28] <saphari_> lol
[02:28] <sic> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages/view?searchterm=Universe
[02:28] <PacoBCN> sapary, click the button saying "PL"
[02:28] <saphari_> well it has stopped now
[02:28] <PacoBCN> saphari, it will open the "play list"
[02:29] <saphari_> ok just a sec
[02:29] <Quarupt> qtparted wasnt in the universe :(
[02:29] <saphari_> got to find it
[02:29] <benny> right click on xmms and click on the playlist editor option( i think thats what its called) then add songs to it by using the little + symbol in hte bottom left corno of the playlist editor
[02:29] <PacoBCN> saphari, which shows the songs it will play. If you only open 1 file you will just see one line
[02:29] <PacoBCN> good
[02:29] <LinuxJones> Quarupt, yes it is apt-get update first
[02:29] <PacoBCN> saphari, now, behind pl you will see a "REP" button
[02:29] <PacoBCN> saphari, press that too
[02:29] <PacoBCN> it will enable the loop
[02:29] <Quarupt> okay
[02:29] <sic> Quarupt: just in case the universe option doesn't work for you:  http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/download.en.html
[02:30] <LinuxJones> Quarupt, if you in synaptic hit reload then search again
[02:30] <PacoBCN> saphari, now, all files (songs) in the playlist will be played for ever and ever...
[02:30] <saphari_> hang on let me catch up
[02:30] <PacoBCN> saphari, in other words, it works exactly same way than Winamp for windows
[02:31] <PacoBCN> (Am I allowed to say "windows" here) ;)
[02:31] <bzbb> its cold out, I better make sure the windows are closed
[02:31] <sic> INFIDEL...kill the Bill Gates worshipper!!!!!
[02:31] <PounK> hello, how to use nvidia driver in horay
[02:32] <PacoBCN> PounK, what do you mean by "to use"?
[02:32] <Quarupt> Must be a bug, the QTparted window is to long to fit in my screen and i cant resize it
[02:32] <PacoBCN> Pounk, how to enable 3d acceleration, you mean?
[02:32] <PounK> yes, install.. in horay..
[02:32] <PounK> hoary
[02:32] <PacoBCN> well, PounK, it should be exactly the same than Warty
[02:33] <PounK> ok, I has an error, I retry..
[02:33] <PacoBCN> Pounk, in other words, "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx"
[02:33] <superx10> that's what i did :-\
[02:34] <PacoBCN> and then "nvidia-glx-config enable"
[02:34] <lavigj> anyone in here use transcode?
[02:34] <Quarupt> Is there a way to unmount partitions from inside QTparted?
[02:35] <lavigj> all that work to get beat down once it is working
[02:39] <saphari_> i must be doing something wrong
[02:39] <PacoBCN> saphari, tell me
[02:39] <saphari_> i got the playlist editor open
[02:39] <PacoBCN> ok
[02:39] <saphari_> i can play one song and it stops
[02:40] <saphari_> the song that is highlighted
[02:40] <Quarupt> Is there a program for mounting and unmount with an X frontend, like an easy way to set up automounting and stuff?
[02:40] <PacoBCN> is the light in REP on?
[02:42] <sleeper>  #ubuntu-es
[02:42] <saphari_> it just kept repeating the same song
[02:42] <error_29> sleeper, use /join before that
[02:43] <cr4z3d> nah he just wants to advertise
[02:43] <sleeper> yes sorry
[02:45] <Quarupt> whats the name of the package i need to compile stuff?
[02:45] <Quarupt> i installed gcc
[02:45] <Quarupt> but i guess that wasnt enough?
[02:45] <lavigj> anyone here with transcode experience?
[02:45] <PacoBCN> saphari, here you will find everything about the proper use of XMMS: http://www.xmms.org/docs/readme.php
[02:46] <dido161> anyone has been able to install ubuntu on QLA2100?
[02:46] <saphari_> thanks
[02:47] <lavigj> can anyone offer some transcode help?
[02:47] <PacoBCN> saphari, you're welcome
[02:48] <Quarupt> why cant i build Gtilla?
[02:48] <lavigj> has anyone been able to get the audio export module in transcode to work?
[02:49] <Quarupt> I cant build anything from source, what the package that has all the compilers and libs and stuff?
[02:50] <dido161> has anyone been able to install Ubuntu on a QLA2100? Mine does not see the fiber drives at all!
[02:50] <Quarupt> ?
[02:51] <lavigj> Quarupt: do you have the dev packages for the deps of what you are building?
[02:51] <Quarupt> I cant build anything
[02:51] <Quarupt> its not just one thing
[02:52] <Quarupt> I dont think i have any compilers, i thought i remebered just installing one package last time and it gave me all these devel tools?
[02:52] <lavigj> ok, for whatever you are building, do you have the dev packages for the dependencies
[02:52] <lavigj> unfortunately, I don't remember all that I had to install
[02:52] <Quarupt> Its not the devs im worried about, i dont have any compilers
[02:53] <lavigj> then get gcc?
[02:53] <Quarupt> i installed it
[02:53] <Quarupt> I am trying to build Qtella
[02:53] <lavigj> ok, then you have a compiler. did you get make?
[02:54] <sic> oops
[02:54] <sic> wrong channel..sorry
[02:54] <Quarupt> I cant even run the configure script
[02:54] <lavigj> did you install package make
[02:54] <lavigj> it is what allows you to run the configure script,afaik
[02:54] <Quarupt> make comes with the base system
[02:55] <lavigj> well, as far as I know that's all you should need to run ./configure
[02:55] <YankDownUnder> Consistantly getting "Unable to install initrd-tools" error during instally of Hoary Array 5 on a system - any clues?
[02:55] <Quarupt> try to build Qtella and tell me if ya can do it
[02:56] <Quarupt> I just want a good P@P
[02:56] <Quarupt> p2p
[02:58] <YankDownUnder> Consistantly getting "Unable to install initrd-tools" error during instally of Hoary Array 5 on a system - any clues?
[02:58] <dido161> has anyone been able to install Ubuntu on a QLA2100? Mine does not see the fiber drives at all!
[03:00] <lavigj> is anyone in here using transcode?
[03:01] <YankDownUnder> Consistantly getting "Unable to install initrd-tools" error during instally of Hoary Array 5 on a system - any clues?
[03:02] <Chipzz> YankDownUnder: yes - you're repeating yourself :P
[03:02] <bur[n] er> anyone use a radeon and get 32 bit color?  I can only get up to 24
[03:03] <geppy> burner:  I doubt it.
[03:03] <cr4z3d> the radeon something something isn't fully supported yet
[03:04] <cr4z3d> i always get that message on my laptop
[03:04] <lavigj> can someone please offer some suggestions on how to get a working transcode in ubuntu?
[03:04] <bur[n] er> just curious... i never look into video stuff ;)
[03:05] <bur[n] er> thanks for the feedback
[03:08] <MindZEye> Does anyone know what triggers gam_server?
[03:09] <MindZEye> It keeps getting its hooks into my memory stick mount and preventing me from cleanly unmounting it.
[03:13] <Odin2347> hi
[03:21] <Deviant> whats is call supposed to do in linux?
[03:21] <Darwin> i need paste the sources.list...which page make
[03:26] <foznot> in hoary, using gnome, is it possible to have different background pictures on the four workspaces?
[03:26] <jdub> foznot: no, not yet.
[03:26] <foznot> k, thanks...
[03:27] <jdub> foznot: when someone writes the right patch, upstream will most likely accept it. :)
[03:27] <jdub> hasn't been done for a long time
[03:27] <Pluk> hi all
[03:30] <Quarupt> anyone got limewire for linux to wrok?
[03:30] <Frodo> I use limewire
[03:31] <Frodo> but I use Warty too
[03:31] <Quarupt> So do i
[03:31] <Quarupt> is there a deb?
[03:32] <Quarupt> ?
[03:33] <shingouz> Quarupt: apt-cache search limewire i guess
[03:33] <Quarupt> lol
[03:33] <Quarupt> no i allready tried that
[03:33] <Quarupt> I dont think there is a package yet
[03:33] <Quarupt> I want a damn p2p
[03:34] <Quarupt> i cant configure gifted to work
[03:34] <Quarupt> im too much of a newb
[03:34] <Quarupt> i wanna p2p
[03:35] <andrewski> is there a package for wmctrl?
[03:36] <Pluk> www.limewire.com has an rpm package
[03:36] <PacoBCN> I installed it from aliening the rmp
[03:37] <andrewski> PacoBCN: are you talking about limewire or wmctrl?
[03:38] <chooroot> I've been a linux user for a little while. I'm new to ubuntu, pretty impressive!
[03:39] <bbbman> hey guys, on the ubuntu install, if you choose the option to "format entire hard drive"
[03:39] <bbbman> does it automatcily set up a swap partition for you
[03:39] <chooroot> yes
[03:39] <cr4z3d> i have a question.. i have a laptop and a netgear wg511 (prism54) card.. what version of fedora would best support this
[03:39] <Pluk> ubuntu warty i think
[03:39] <Pluk> :P
[03:40] <bbbman> chooroot, yes to me?
[03:40] <chooroot> bbbman: Yes, sorry.
[03:40] <Pluk> FC3 prolly.. but why ask fedora questions here? not that your not allowed to ofcourse
[03:40] <bbbman> chooroot, thanks. is there a way that i can get into my root account
[03:41] <blah09> hey anyone use fluxbox?
[03:42] <blah09> for some strange reason i lose esound when i boot into fluxbox...
[03:42] <wm_eddie> >< I don't like hoary.
[03:43] <mike_douglas> does running a sdl app (ie. zsnes) over ssh (to a computer in the LAN) severely affect it's performance?
[03:43] <wm_eddie> Windows are constantly opening in the background instead of on top...
[03:43] <wm_eddie> mike_douglas: Even if you have gigabit ethernet, there should be some noticable difference.
[03:44] <wm_eddie> but you should try it.  It works.
[03:44] <mike_douglas> wm_eddie: thats one of the famous screen-grabbing bugs of the unstable GNOME releases. I think it's a showstopper so it will be fixed by Hoary Final.
[03:44] <chooroot> blah09: I may be wrong but I think esound is started by gnome. Its a daemon.
[03:45] <wm_eddie> and Mono still isn't working right.
[03:45] <wm_eddie> and I don't know why
[03:45] <blah09> oh
[03:45] <blah09> chooroot, any idea how to start it manually?
[03:45] <Devinci> lolo just installed ubuntu! :)
[03:45] <wm_eddie> Something must be configured wrong somewhere.
[03:45] <lavigj> is there anyone in here who happens to use transcode? i am having a lot of trouble with the output module
[03:45] <bbbman> How can I su into my root account?
[03:46] <lavigj> er, audio output
[03:46] <Devinci> esound start?
[03:46] <wm_eddie> bbbman: sudo
[03:46] <Devinci> su root
[03:46] <chooroot> blah09: never tried.
[03:46] <Quarupt> Ubuntu is the only distro i have ever installed that wehn you put a usb disk in it automounts it and puts an icon on the desktop
[03:46] <Quarupt> i love it
[03:46] <lavigj> Devinci: no, I wish it was that easy. it is the mp2 audio output
[03:46] <yohannes> is there anyway i can peer into an iso image?
[03:46] <_jon_> blah09: type esd & into the command line
[03:46] <yohannes> do i need any tool to do that?
[03:46] <Xirdneh> Can anyone tell me if i want to install WINE can I do it with apt-get install, or do I need to download it?
[03:46] <Devinci> heh sorry was trying to join in ;)
[03:46] <wm_eddie> Xirdneh: apt-get works.
[03:46] <yohannes> xirdneh --> apt-get will work
[03:47] <bbbman> right so if i want to run cfdisk, what command should i use
[03:47] <Xirdneh> thnx, but whats the name wine20050211?
[03:47] <Amaranth> mike_douglas, wm_eddie: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166722
[03:47] <lavigj> this sucks. I go through all that crap to just get the freakin' thing installed, and now it won't even work because someone didn't compile it thew ay it needed to be
[03:47] <_jon_> Xirdneh: apt-get install wine
[03:47] <Devinci> Just installed ubuntu o my laptop with stuff I couldnt get GEntoo to install in a full week workin on it!
[03:47] <Quarupt> apt-get install wine ???
[03:47] <Xirdneh> ok, thnx to all :D
[03:47] <blah09> ok daemon is running but still no sound =(
[03:47] <chooroot> bbbman: sudo cfdisk
[03:47] <andrewski> "checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.0... no".  do i need to install libglib2.0-dev?
[03:47] <_jon_> blah09: are you in the audio group?
[03:48] <blah09> i have sound in gnome...
[03:48] <blah09> yeah i am
[03:48] <_jon_> blah09: try "esd -d /dev/dsp &"
[03:48] <bbbman> isnt that a bit insucue chooroot?
[03:48] <Quarupt> last time i used Ubunti i had to type sudo to do root stuff, but now on this install i can do su just fine?
[03:48] <steintr> Hi all... Since this is my first Ubuntu support-type question, I don't know if this is a better mail or IRC-type question, but is anyone around who knows the innards of how the Ubuntu kernel packages are built?
[03:48] <andrewski> lavigj: what's the problem?
[03:48] <wm_eddie> Quarupt: did you do sudo ... passwd?
[03:49] <lavigj> andrewski: one moment
[03:49] <Quarupt> no
[03:49] <_jon_> blah09: that is after you kill the first esd process
[03:49] <chooroot> bbbman: need to be superuser to use cfdisk.
[03:49] <Quarupt> But im not complaining i think all that sudo stuff was a haasle anyways
[03:49] <blah09> ALSA lib pcm.c:2068:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM /dev/dsp
[03:49] <bbbman> chooroot, isnt that insucure for me to just be able to use sudo for everything without a root password
[03:50] <blah09> alsa doesnt initialise or something?
[03:50] <Devinci> nah since you are a superuser
[03:50] <lavigj> andrewski: two things, "warning: audio export module error: init failed" and "critical: failed to init encoder"
[03:50] <andrewski> lavigj: in which app?
[03:50] <lavigj> andrewski: transcode
[03:50] <lavigj> andrewski: sorry, thought you had seen it back there.
[03:50] <andrewski> lavigj: hmm... never used it before, sorry.
[03:50] <_jon_> blah09: lsmod | grep snd
[03:50] <bbbman> so if someone cracks into my ftp server under user "ftp", all he has to do is use "sudo" to get root access?
[03:50] <sic|> hehe...not giving up on transcode eh lavigj?
[03:50] <chooroot> bbbman: controversial. Some say not.
[03:51] <Devinci> bbman, if you would be root, you cpuld f@ck things up a lot more...
[03:51] <Quarupt> lol bbbman ya need the root password to use sudo
[03:51] <lavigj> sic|: I finally got the freakin' thing installed... after this much work, it would be nice to get it going
[03:51] <blah09> _jon_, what am i looking for?
[03:51] <wm_eddie> Quarupt: no
[03:51] <Quarupt> yes
[03:51] <wm_eddie> Quarupt: You need the user password for sudo
[03:51] <blah09> oh btw sound worked just a second ago in firefox
[03:51] <_jon_> does it work in say, xmms?
[03:51] <wm_eddie> so if I'm user eddie, I do sudo, then enter eddie's password.
[03:51] <sic|> lavigj: I hear ya man...I went through the same thing with the cisco vpn client
[03:51] <Quarupt> you need the root password to use sudo for root stuff
[03:52] <veristead> ok... so who can help me with hotplug in here
[03:52] <lavigj> sic|: I would just compile it myself, but the number of things you can enable is huge, and unfortunately, no "enable all" option
[03:52] <wm_eddie> Quarupt: I'm 100% sure you don't.
[03:52] <steintr> Quarupt: That would defeat the whole purpose of sudo (avoiding having to give out the root passwd)
[03:52] <sic|> lavigj: oh suck
[03:52] <blah09> let me try
[03:52] <bbbman> yea well i didnt give a root password
[03:53] <wm_eddie> bbbman: You don't need to
[03:53] <wm_eddie> via the magic of sudo
[03:53] <Devinci> you could get the root passwd anyway.. sudo passwd root
[03:53] <Quarupt> Well i dont care for some reason, the cd they sent in the mail, when i installed it, it didnt have the sudo security feature?
[03:53] <lavigj> sic|: this is the first major problem I have had with apt... and it is fustrating. unfortuantely, transcode will only compile those modules which are explicitly enabled.
[03:53] <blah09> _jon_, it works when i set it to ALSa
[03:53] <blah09> should i just change everything to use alsa?
[03:53] <wm_eddie> Devinci: There's no easy way to get a password.
[03:53] <sic|> bbbman: type: sudo su    then type: your user password  voila...you are root...then you can just change your user password while as root and your done
[03:53] <blah09> or was there a point in using esound
[03:53] <bbbman> that sucks :( it seems quite inscure
[03:54] <_jon_> blah09: use alsa
[03:54] <gpled> is the newest version of mozilla for ubuntu 1.7.3?
[03:54] <wm_eddie> Devinci: but doing sudo passwd to change it is easy.
[03:54] <blah09> ok
[03:54] <bbbman> is there a way i can change things
[03:54] <Devinci> well if you are root it is
[03:54] <blah09> =)
[03:54] <_jon_> heh
[03:54] <blah09> so why did the devs go with esound?
[03:54] <sic|> bbbman: you man...I just told you how to change things
[03:54] <sic|>  *yo
[03:54] <Devinci> i am root! (err. not on irc..)
[03:54] <wm_eddie> Devinci: I thought all passwords were encrypted with MD5 or something or other.
[03:54] <steintr> sic|: The entire point of a proper sudo config is that it restricts what commands you can run, and who can run them.
[03:54] <Frodo> Hi can anyone tell me how to turn off hotplugging in Warty for a wireless card?
[03:54] <bbbman> oh thank you sic|
[03:55] <Devinci> wm_eddie, just ask john
[03:55] <chooroot> blah09: Gnome chose esound
[03:55] <blah09> ahh
[03:55] <Quarupt> is there any packages p2p's for Ubuntu besides giftd?
[03:55] <sic|> steintr: if you are the admin of your box you have total control...so if the man wants root, let him have root
[03:55] <Devinci> heh
[03:55] <Quarupt> packaged
[03:55] <wm_eddie> Quarupt: emule?
[03:55] <chooroot> blah09: Its the sound server for gnome, like arts for KDE.
[03:55] <blah09> there are some libs that i need to change to make other apps like say gaim use alsa instead of esound right?
[03:55] <Quarupt> ya mean amule
[03:55] <steintr> sic|: Of course.  Just don't worry that it's insecure. :)  (That's the way I have mine setup for just that reason)
[03:55] <Frodo> Quarupt, use limewire, but download it from the site
[03:55] <sic|> steintr: I even went so far as to edit the sudo config so i wouldn't have to type a password
[03:56] <wm_eddie> I use Java programs for all my p2p needs.
[03:56] <wm_eddie> (Azureus, Limewire)
[03:56] <lavigj> j /#transcode
[03:56] <steintr> sic|: That strikes me as overly foolish, but I guess it depends on how they hacked your box.
[03:56] <sic|> steintr: right on man...very true...no need to worry about it being unsecure
[03:57] <regeya> speaking of alsa...any sb live 5.1 users manage to get gmix to adjust bass and treble?
[03:57] <Frodo> Quarupt you understand me?
[03:57] <steintr> sic|: An exploit in a server could let them execute a command as a user, but if they don't need a password, they can expand the exploit to root (w/o needing to crack /etc/shadow)
[03:57] <bbbman> well i was just wondering if i someone cracked into an account "ftp" it wouldnt be hard for him to do root commands? with just a sudo?
[03:58] <steintr> bbbman: The ftp account should never be in /etc/sudoers
[03:58] <bbbman> oooh i see
[03:58] <Devinci> man sudo
[03:58] <wm_eddie> There's ways to lock down sudo really hard.
[03:58] <lavigj> sic|: this is making me wish I hadn't moved over from gentoo
[03:58] <Frodo> ok Im history here...nice to meet all of you  hasta la vista babies
[03:59] <chooroot> bbbman: man sudo
[03:59] <Frodo> sudo judo
[03:59] <wm_eddie> lavigj: You do loose a couple of things in Ubuntu that you had in gentoo, but gentoo just isn't worth it.
[03:59] <sic|> steintr: I understand the security issue..but if they can hack your user account...surely they can type sudo su and use the same user password...truth is no one is truly safe
[03:59] <Devinci> just moved from gentoo (well on my laptop) and I am very pleased!
[03:59] <wm_eddie> Frodo: "I know kung-foo"
[03:59] <Frodo> lol Eddie
[04:00] <lavigj> wm_eddie: I am just frustrated with trying to get transcode to work. this would have been much easier on gentoo.... I wonder if there is a way to do portage on ubuntu...
[04:00] <sic|> hahaha...portage on ubuntu
[04:00] <steintr> sic|: It depends if they know (or have cracked) your password, or are just exploiting, say, a hole in your mailer.  You can get access to a box without ever knowing the actual password (ok, make that "one" and not me)
[04:00] <wm_eddie> sic|: If they have a user password, it's trivial to get the root password anyway.  And you can always restrict what you can do yourself in the sudoers file.
[04:00] <Frodo> transcode is easy on Ubuntu isnt it?
[04:00] <lavigj> Frodo: not so much
[04:01] <wm_eddie> lavigj: yeah, main problems with Ubuntu have been media player/ripper related for me at least (and my roommate)
[04:01] <regeya> heh...portage on ubuntu...actually, that'd be a neat idea, in a way...make it into a sort of 'fink-for-ubuntu' type system, a small list of updated packages, make sure it doesn't interfere with ubuntu releases in the least
[04:01] <bbbman> so its safe to assume that if i want to run an ftp server, take away his sudo privillages, and theres nothing he can do with sudo, thus elimanting the security risk
[04:01] <wm_eddie> lavigj: let me get a link that might help
[04:01] <wm_eddie> lavigj: You are using warty right?
[04:02] <lavigj> wm_eddie: yeah. I had to pull in a bit of hoary (almost all of the deps) to get transcode even installed
[04:02] <steintr> bbbman: The default install for sudo should be nobody in sudoers, so you'd have to affirmatively add ftp to the file.  But yes, that's the idea.
[04:02] <bbbman> i see.
[04:02] <chooroot> bbbman: you dont have to.
[04:02] <Devinci> portage is neat, but man it takes so long to complile on my poor man's laptop
[04:03] <Frodo> you have to get transcode from "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main" I think
[04:03] <Frodo> I may be wrong though
[04:03] <bbbman> hey, whats this entery in fdisk -l
[04:03] <bbbman> /dev/hda2           64539       65531      500472    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[04:03] <sic|> steintr, wm_eddie, I understand what you are saying, my point is not everyone is really worried about it, some people like being root for some things...to each his own
[04:03] <wm_eddie> damn I can't find the link anymore...
[04:03] <lavigj> rodo, it is installed. now it is a problem with the way transcode was compiled
[04:04] <Devinci> windows aaaaaaah
[04:04] <wm_eddie> But someone backported a lot of things to warty...
[04:04] <steintr> I've been trying to build an exact duplicate of kernel-image-2.6.10-3-686-smp from source, but no joy.  Is there some secret Ubuntu trick? :)
[04:04] <bbbman> i dont have any partitons other than linux and swap
[04:04] <bbbman> why is it being listed in fdisk -l
[04:04] <bbbman> it dosent show up under cfdisk
[04:04] <lavigj> wm_eddie: s'ok.... it is the way transcode was compiled anyway. I guess I will have to work through all the enable flags and such
[04:04] <wm_eddie> steintr: get the deb-src and use it's .config file?
[04:04] <silversurfer> would i use the smp kernel for a p4 with hyperthreading?
[04:04] <wm_eddie> yes
[04:04] <wm_eddie> I would assume
[04:05] <_jon_> silversurfer: i wouldn't
[04:05] <mike_douglas> zsnes over ssh (once that I setup compression) works great. Now I can drop Gentoo and move my last machine to Ubuntu :D
[04:05] <steintr> sic|: For the record, I have steintr: ALL=(ALL) ALL in my sudoers file as well; my only quibble is over the need for a password.
[04:05] <silversurfer> how come _jon_?
[04:05] <bbbman> anyone have an idea as to the cause of that?
[04:05] <Devinci> mike: Buy a xbox and install gentoox on it instead ;)
[04:05] <wm_eddie> steintr: You can add nopassword to certain commands.
[04:05] <bbbman> /dev/hda2           64539       65531      500472    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[04:05] <Quarupt> ping -f <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:05] <bbbman> when i dont have any other partitions besides / and swap in cfdisk
[04:06] <Quarupt> oops this isnt mah shell
[04:06] <wm_eddie> steintr: I'm not sure but you might be able to do it for all too.
[04:06] <steintr> wm_eddie: Unfortunately, that's not working for me.  The prebuilt kernel boots (sort of) for me, but rebuilt versions from either linux-source-2.6.10 or pristine sources hang on me.
[04:06] <mike_douglas> Devinci: heh, give my money to them ;)
[04:06] <_jon_> silversurfer: hyperthreading isn't the same as an smp system, hyperthreading acts like 1.5 processors, but the system will assign proccesses as if there are 2+ full processors, causing a bottleneck on the "hyperthread"
[04:06] <Devinci> lol
[04:07] <regeya> transcode can be frustrating to be sure
[04:07] <wm_eddie> _jon_: Isn't that the point though?
[04:07] <regeya> one of those issues that almost makes me run back to gentoo
[04:07] <_jon_> wm_eddie: not to have a bottleneck
[04:07] <wm_eddie> _jon_: Doesn't WindowsXP just treat it as SMP?
[04:07] <noppe> yah compiling everything is fun times..
[04:07] <bbbman> anyone can help me?
[04:07] <sic|> steintr: heheh...I have mine set up the same way...guess your really don't need a password...my first instinct was to set it..because at the time and even now to some degree, I didn't realize the extent of sudo
[04:07] <_jon_> wm_eddie: i don't know what windows does ever
[04:07] <Devinci> regeya: run back to gentoo -- expect a few days of compilation ;)
[04:07] <lavigj> #@%@!%^ I cannot win!!
[04:08] <noppe> hah
[04:08] <silversurfer> _jon_ thank you for the info, i'll grab the other kernel and try it out... this ubuntu sure beats having to recompile everything like i am used in in gentoo
[04:08] <Quarupt> anyone know how to get a serverlist for xmule?
[04:08] <steintr> sic|: I find that needing the password is a good double-check before doing something stupid, anyway. :)
[04:08] <Devinci> steintr: true
[04:08] <_jon_> silversurfer: if you have time, try both and benchmark it, i'd be interested to know the results
[04:08] <wm_eddie> _jon_: I'm pretty sure it just treats it as two processors, (Which I'm pretty sure is the point)
[04:08] <steintr> (The caching property doesn't help with that, though)
[04:08] <sic|> steintr: hahaha...true true
[04:08] <_jon_> i'll look into it
[04:08] <wm_eddie> _jon_: I think it's more of a run two things at once smoothly rather than performance thing.
[04:08] <silversurfer> how would i benchmark it? is there an app for that?
[04:09] <Ed_Gein> When updating to hoary do I comment out the warty refs in sources.list?
[04:09] <_jon_> silversurfer: just use the time command and see how long tasks take with each kernel
[04:09] <andrewski> Ed_Gein: i just replaced all warty with hoary.
[04:09] <Devinci> Laptop users: What temp trigger did you set for acpi?
[04:09] <Ed_Gein> andrewski :thanks
[04:09] <zenrox> silversurfer,  or run a set@home client to see how long it take to process 1 unet
[04:10] <Quarupt> ANYONE, serverlist xmule?
[04:10] <wm_eddie> _jon_: using & as well might be a good idea too.
[04:10] <silversurfer> _jon_ : thanks, i'll test it out and report back hehe
[04:10] <Devinci> my hand is gettin hot > 50
[04:11] <regeya> Devinci: that depends on your install method and your choices of software, but yeah.
[04:11] <bbbman> anyone care to help me with this problem i have?
[04:11] <Devinci> regeya it ws at 60 default, moved it down to 50 -- hear the fan more, but cooler...
[04:11] <silversurfer> anyone play Neverwinter nights?  I have an odd slowdown with mine that I can't figure out... the longer I play the more lag I get till it's unplayable
[04:12] <steintr> bbbman: Different than the sudo one we've been talking about?
[04:12] <_jon_> wm_eddie, silversurfer: haven't seen anything yet from debian/ubuntu but here's a link from suse: http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/2002/05/fhassel_p4.html
[04:12] <andrewski> steintr: xchat is 'uglier'?  how?
[04:12] <bbbman> yes steintr
[04:12] <Ed_Gein> what about the multiverse repositories? Should I remove them or change those to hoary as well?
[04:13] <bbbman> when i use cfdisk, it shows me that i have two partitions. Linux swap and Linux ext3
[04:13] <steintr> andrewski: Don't know.  It just looks different (perhaps a different default theme than on my old install)
[04:13] <zenrox> Ed_Gein, chage
[04:13] <andrewski> Ed_Gein: i changed them too.
[04:13] <bbbman> but when i run fdisk -l, this entery shows up.
[04:13] <steintr> andrewski: Personal taste :)
[04:13] <saphari_> is java installed with ubuntu?
[04:13] <Ed_Gein> thanks
[04:13] <bbbman> /dev/hda2           64539       65531      500472    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[04:13] <steintr> bbbman: I'm new to Ubuntu, but if it's a general linux problem, I'll take a shot.
[04:13] <zenrox> big upgrade to hoary tonight
[04:13] <andrewski> steintr: yeah, i was gonna say it's probably your theme, because i don't know how the program itself could be uglier... ;)
[04:13] <bbbman> i belive its a general linux problem
[04:13] <steintr> bbman: I'm reading back.  Wait one.
[04:14] <_jon_> OTOH: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17112
[04:14] <bbbman> saphari: you might want to look at this page : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[04:14] <steintr> bbbman: What does cfdisk show?
[04:14] <saphari_> n/m
[04:14] <themachine> my live cd wont boot on an old computer. how could I make the floppy boot to cd?
[04:14] <bbbman> it shows only the two partitons, linux ext3 and linux swap
[04:14] <zenrox> saphari_, also look at www.ubuntuguide.org for jave install
[04:14] <steintr> bbbman: What part numbers?
[04:15] <lavigj> awesome. now I can't even compile transcode.
[04:15] <saphari_> ty
[04:15] <bbbman> part numbers?
[04:15] <bbbman> you mean 82 and 83?
[04:15] <andrewski> where do i put any debs i download so that synaptic will pick them up?
[04:15] <lavigj> so much for thinking I might have found a decent way to convert avi to DVD compliant mpegs
[04:15] <steintr> bbbman: Sorry, partition identifiers (like /dev/hda2)
[04:16] <bbbman> ext is hda1,
[04:16] <bbbman> swap is hda5
[04:16] <Ed_Gein> any idea how long the update takes?
[04:17] <themachine> I know knoppix has a boot floppy app for making the pc boot from cd, but its specifically for knoppix
[04:17] <chooroot> bbbman: /dev/hda2 holds the logical partition.
[04:17] <steintr> bbbman: Since hda5 is a logical partition number only, my guess is that cfdisk isn't showing logicals (contained in the /dev/hda2 extended)
[04:17] <_jon_> lavigj: good luck finding one
[04:17] <steintr> Doh: chooroot beat me to it. :)
[04:17] <Quarupt> I finally got my UBUNTU CD's in the mail today
[04:17] <Quarupt> all 450 of them
[04:17] <chooroot> lol
[04:17] <zenrox> lol
[04:17] <lavigj> _jon_: I am probably not.
[04:17] <Quarupt> Now i can set up my open source movment stand at my UNIV
[04:18] <Quarupt> Movement*
[04:18] <bbbman> chooroot, steintr, my swap is a logical partition.
[04:18] <_jon_> lavigj: currently i'm just trying to find a way to convert a VIDEO_TS folder to a dvd image
[04:18] <chooroot> bbbman: /dev/hda5 is.
[04:18] <themachine> any idea on a boot floppy?
[04:18] <bbbman> so hda2 actually holds hda5?
[04:18] <lavigj> _jon_: well, you are a helluva lot farther than I am. I can't even get an avi to an acceptable mpeg stream
[04:19] <steintr> bbbman: Yes.  On a DOS partition table, only 1-4 are primary partitions.  Anything about 4 must be contained within a primary, designated as an "extended" partition.
[04:19] <_jon_> lavigj: mencoder might be able to help you out
[04:19] <chooroot> bbbman: /dev/hda2 counts as one of your primary partitions. Yea kinda
[04:19] <lavigj> _jon_: I was using mencoder however I kept getting artifacts relating to the qscale. I haven't figured out how to get past that yet
[04:20] <bbbman> well why does it list as win95 extended? I am only supposed to have 2 partitons on this hard disk. Is this just a fluke, or am I actually loosing out on avabial space
[04:20] <steintr> bbbman: You don't need it that way, but it shouldn't cost you any space (maybe a few K for the entry, that's all)
[04:20] <themachine> trying to get help on irc is like... trying to talk to chris's mom
[04:21] <_jon_> lavigj: i forget where they are, but i remember coming across a script that used ffmpeg, transcode, mendoer, and such to convert video
[04:21] <lavigj> _jon_: and if i could get transcode to work, I would be all set
[04:21] <wm_eddie> themachine: is chris's mom easy?
[04:21] <andrewski> themachine: asking vague questions is like... not knowing what you're talking about and expecting others to tell you. :)
[04:21] <wm_eddie> lol
[04:21] <themachine> no chris's mom is bigger than microsoft
[04:21] <_jon_> lavigj: let me know if you an figure it out
[04:21] <andrewski> themachine: did you google for 'ubuntu "boot floppy"'
[04:22] <wm_eddie> Wow, I plug in my ipod, and a window pops up, Sick!
[04:22] <themachine> yes it comes up with making grub boot floppy
[04:22] <themachine> on linux
[04:22] <wm_eddie> Sick like glowing, cancer-killing HIV!
[04:22] <andrewski> themachine: well, what do you want?
[04:23] <themachine> but Im trying to get a computer thats ignoring the cd drive to boot from it
[04:23] <chooroot> bbbman: You can only have 4 primary partitions. Useing logical partitions inside extended partitions you can have many more.
[04:23] <lupus_am> hi. have anybody tried kernels from 'universe'? Warty kernel not properly worked with my USB external drive
[04:23] <andrewski> themachine: ah, that's a different story.  look for smart boot manager.
[04:24] <bbbman> ok thanks for the help steintr, and chooroot.  I was worried there for a moment
[04:24] <andrewski> themachine: in which case, a better question to have asked initially would have been: "hey, i'm trying to boot to a cd on a computer that won't.  can i do that?"
[04:25] <themachine> ah
[04:25] <thully> what's the best digital music player to use w/Linux? anyone have any suggestions?
[04:25] <themachine> thanks a great deal
[04:25] <lupus_am> i have tried to install kernel-image-2.6.9-9, but can't install its headers (missing appropriate kernel-kbuild).
[04:25] <wm_eddie> lupus_am: For me at least, my front USBs don't like my iPod, but my rear ones work perfectly.
[04:25] <bbbman> is enableing universe in synaptic a good idea or bad
[04:25] <andrewski> themachine: no problem.  good luck!  i could never get that program to work.
[04:25] <andrewski> thully: mpd
[04:25] <andrewski> thully: musicpd.org
[04:25] <wm_eddie> bbbman: Good
[04:25] <themachine> heres an awesome link in return for the advice http://users.telenet.be/educypedia/
[04:25] <wm_eddie> bbbman: Unless you are a company that really requires support.
[04:25] <thully> no - portable music player
[04:26] <bbbman> thanks
[04:26] <andrewski> thully: ah.
[04:26] <bbbman> does it make it any more vurlnibale to attack
[04:26] <wm_eddie> thully: um. lets see.
[04:26] <SiRrUs> wow talk about updates tonight
[04:27] <Devinci> bbbman internal attacks
[04:27] <wm_eddie> thully: There's a couple that are open.
[04:27] <nic0> the file /etc/ppp/peers/verizon does not exist, it says when I do 'pon verizon' after doing 'sudo pppoeconf' does anyone know why
[04:27] <andrewski> SiRrUs: no kidding. :)
[04:27] <Quest-Master> How do you guys know when updates happen? :o
[04:27] <andrewski> 52 for me!
[04:27] <thully> wm_eddie: you have an iPod - what trouble did you have to go through to get that working on Ubuntu?
[04:27] <noppe> hrmm did Hoary just upgrade to X 6.8.2?
[04:27] <SiRrUs> yep
[04:27] <andrewski> noppe: it seems that way...
[04:27] <noppe> excellent
[04:28] <SiRrUs> brb
[04:28] <bbbman> what does the universal add
[04:28] <andrewski> noppe: what's new about .2?
[04:28] <Quest-Master> Last time I upgraded to Hoary, GDM wouldn't start.. should I have installed xserver-xorg?
[04:28] <wm_eddie> thully: I plug it in, and it mounts.  and I use GTKpod to upload songs to it.  so in theory it works great... except that 70% of my library (every CD I own) is in Ogg format.
[04:28] <andrewski> bbbman: many many apps that are not available on the CD.
[04:28] <noppe> andrewski: I forgot but quite a bit of stuff..
[04:28] <noppe> :)
[04:28] <lupus_am> wm_eddie, with standard warty kernel (2.6.8) i can mount my USB drive, can read files from it, but when i write something, there are errors appears in syslog and drive disconeccts
[04:28] <andrewski> bbbman: but they're unsupported as far as official ubuntu goes.
[04:28] <Quarupt> im gunna update to a 64bit kernel, anyone know if i do that will i only be able to use ^$bit apps?
[04:28] <bbbman> oh i see
[04:28] <Quarupt> 64Bit*
[04:29] <lupus_am> but kernel 2.6.9 from universe works fine!
[04:29] <lupus_am> (x86_64)
[04:29] <Devinci> bbbman: unless you install services that sits on an open port, you wont be vulnerable to outside attacks
[04:29] <lavigj> does anyone here use mencoder?
[04:29] <lavigj> i am wondering why I don't see the option to encode to an mpeg with it
[04:29] <Devinci> bbbman: unless you download a trojan...
[04:30] <lavigj> because I know it is available, even if it is not on my machine
[04:30] <Quarupt> why doesnt root@UBunBOX:/home/sean # apt-cache search kernel image |grep 64
[04:30] <Quarupt> return any results?
[04:30] <wm_eddie> kernel-image
[04:31] <silversurfer> is there a way to get the console to be a colorful as my gentoo install?
[04:31] <thully> Has anyone used crossover with itunes?  I'd like to be able to use a music store to get stuff onto my device (in addition to ripping my CDs)
[04:31] <bbbman> these universal sites, they allow me to apt-get files?
[04:31] <andrewski> bbbman: yup.
[04:31] <bbbman> that i woudln't normally be able to? ok thanks
[04:31] <wm_eddie> bbbman: A lot of them
[04:31] <andrewski> silversurfer: yes, i wish apt(*) and company employed colour too....
[04:31] <lavigj> sorry, I was thinking of ffmpeg.
[04:31] <wm_eddie> man, I can't remember the name of a really cool PMP that has awesome Linux support!
[04:31] <Deviant> for wireless network in can I use Wpa mode? or does it have to be wep?
[04:32] <silversurfer> andrewski: i feel weird without the color
[04:32] <bbbman> but im secure unless i apt-get a trojan or other port listening program from universal?  if i run the services included with the rest on an open port, I should be relativly secure right?
[04:32] <andrewski> silversurfer: yes, and it's harder to read...
[04:32] <Quarupt> Theres no ubuntu 64 bit kernels?
[04:32] <Quarupt> !?
[04:32] <wm_eddie> there should be
[04:32] <Quarupt> i cant find any?
[04:32] <jdub> Quarupt: have you installed the amd64 version?
[04:33] <Quarupt> no
[04:33] <andrewski> silversurfer: we should file enhancement requests for apt-get...
[04:34] <Quarupt> no
[04:34] <silversurfer> andrewski: i've been using ubuntu for 2 days, gentoo for a little over a year... not sure where i'd start with a file enhancement request
[04:34] <andrewski> silversurfer: me either. :)
[04:34] <Quarupt> I thought i could just update my kernel like i did in debian
[04:34] <Ed_Gein> has anyone tried to install graveman after upgrading to hoary
[04:35] <silversurfer> andrewski: is there a way to edit the color scheme manually?
[04:35] <andrewski> silversurfer: oh, i don't think so; i think the program in question has to have colour codes for each instance...
[04:35] <wm_eddie> thully: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/weblog.php/Cool_Gear?flav=php
[04:35] <wm_eddie> thully: That one is awesome.
[04:35] <Quarupt> jdub, i can just use the 32bit version if the 64bit one wont allow me to run 32 bit apps
[04:35] <wm_eddie> thully: Scroll down for some pictures.
[04:36] <silversurfer> andrewski: wonder if there is a way to copy it from gentoo
[04:36] <bbbman> hey one more question *hopefully*: I have an AMD Athlon 900 mhz proccessor. Should I download a Proccessor specific kernel?
[04:36] <wm_eddie> bbbman: no
[04:36] <bbbman> as in sudo apt-get install linux-686
[04:36] <jdub> Quarupt: if you're running the amd64 version, you have a 64 bit kernel. if you're running the i386 version, you have a 32 bit kernel.
[04:36] <wm_eddie> AMD's are much better at running i386 fast than Intels.
[04:37] <wm_eddie> so no real difference.
[04:37] <bbbman> wm_eddie, so i shouldnt do sudo apt-get install linux-k7
[04:38] <bbbman> ok thanks if you say so. I was just curious because it said it in the Tweake your Ubuntu installation guide
[04:38] <wm_eddie> nah, it'll be easier to just use the stock kernel.
[04:38] <bbbman> k
[04:39] <Quarupt> Jdub, i just said that im running the 386 version, but in debain i was able to just update my kernel, not reinstall
[04:39] <Quarupt> jdub, Is there a way to upgrade, and if i do can i still run 386 apps?
[04:40] <jdub> you want to run an amd64 kernel and i386 userland?
[04:40] <andrewski> silversurfer: i couldn't find anything useful on google.  i'm going to #debian.
[04:43] <lupus_am> have anybody problems with alsa\gstreamer? when i setting up gstreamer via alsa, all sound programs crash
[04:46] <bbbman> is there a way to apt-get the latest java sdk?
[04:47] <wm_eddie> bbbman: yes
[04:47] <Brunellus> Hi.  I've installed Mplayer from source according to the steps on the Howto: Ubuntu Multimedia article
[04:47] <wm_eddie> hold on
[04:47] <Brunellus> (which is Here:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94&highlight=dvd+playback
[04:47] <bbbman> would it be better to apt-get the java sdk than to actually download the .bin file from the java website?
[04:47] <Brunellus> two questions:
[04:47] <Dr_willis> Hmm... 'nvidia-settings' ---> Segmentation fault.
[04:47] <Dr_willis> Bummer..
[04:47] <Brunellus> 1) how can I configure the mozilla-mplayer plugin?
[04:48] <Brunellus> synaptic is asking for "mplayer-custom" which the howto says not to install
[04:48] <wm_eddie> bbbman: http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/java2-status/jdk1.4-status.html#debs
[04:48] <Brunellus> correction--doesnt' say that, but.
[04:48] <wm_eddie> download the debs and install it with dpkg -i
[04:48] <Brunellus> read it somewhere else on forums.
[04:48] <Dr_willis> http://ubuntuguide.org/#multimedia-mozillap4   perhaps?
[04:49] <bbbman> wm_eddie: Should i use the debs or the sun .bin installer?
[04:49] <wm_eddie> bbbman: I used the sun .bin installer only because I didn't know about the debs (debs are easier to upgrade/remove)
[04:49] <Dr_willis> http://ubuntuguide.org/ - has  a section or on java stuff.
[04:50] <Dr_willis> they seem to use the .bin and show you a few other steps
[04:50] <bbbman> ooh i see thanks guys
[04:50] <Brunellus> thanks Dr_willis.  second question
[04:51] <Brunellus> 2) I have also installed libdvdcss2, according to the instructions ont he same howto
[04:51] <wm_eddie> I must go now.
[04:51] <Brunellus> but it will not read the DVD which I've fed to it.
[04:52] <Dr_willis> its possible your media player needsd to be recompiled to support it.
[04:52] <Quarupt> Is there a packages P2P for Ubuntu that doesnt suck?
[04:52] <wm_eddie> Quarupt: nope, get Java and install Azureus and Limewire and stop talking about it here.
[04:52] <Dr_willis> i just use gnutella clients.  for my rare P2P stuff
[04:52] <Quarupt> packaged*
[04:53] <Quarupt> wm_eddie, why?
[04:53] <wm_eddie> Quarupt: Nobody wants to talk about p2p.
[04:53] <Dr_willis> Limewire is nice. wife can even figure it out. :p
[04:53] <Quarupt> no apt for java either
[04:53] <wm_eddie> Quarupt: http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/java2-status/jdk1.4-status.html#debs
[04:54] <SiRrUs> Quarupt or visit www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:54] <JDahl> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[04:54] <Brunellus> h'mmm.
[04:54] <Dr_willis> http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[04:55] <bbbman> Dr_willis, do you think the same method would apply more or less to the development enviroment as well
[04:55] <Dr_willis> bbbman,  most likely
[04:57] <Deviant> does wireless toosl work in ubuntu?
[04:57] <hypa7ia> Deviant: iwtools?
[04:57] <Brunellus> h'm.
[04:57] <Deviant> is that the name of it
[04:57] <hypa7ia> i believe that's the name... anyway, that's what i use :-)
[04:58] <Karlac> does ubuntu install wall on laptops? because i downloaded ubuntu a month ago and it gave me nothing but errors
[04:58] <Karlac> well*
[04:58] <Deviant> I guess i have it already since ive been pissing around with it for the last hour.
[04:58] <Deviant> so close to getting wireless goin
[04:58] <Deviant> im stuck
[04:58] <Chipzz> Karlac: works like a charm on my dell inspiron 8600 ;)
[04:59] <Quarupt> Okay i added the blackdown source like i said and refreshed synaptic, but what package do i get for java?
[04:59] <Deviant> yah im using ubuntu on my inspiron 9100. works great.
[04:59] <Deviant> even reconized it as a laptop
[04:59] <Karlac> mines a pavilion zv5000
[05:01] <error_29> ubuntu out of the box was fine on my Presario 900.  And on a friend's older compaq.  Took us a while to mess things up. ;-
[05:01] <poningru> mine is a presario 2140
[05:01] <Quarupt> wm_eddie, i added the source, now what packages do i need for java, i did a seach and theres like 20 packages with the word java in them
[05:02] <error_29> karlac, errors during install, or after?  I ask because I couldn't install other debian based cd distros on this laptop
[05:02] <Brunellus> ok stupid question
[05:02] <Deviant> can I just configure my wireless with the iwconfig or do I also need to edit a script?
[05:02] <error_29> some problem with the cd-rom
[05:02] <Brunellus> how do I rm a symbolic link?
[05:02] <Karlac> it was right during bootup from the cd
[05:02] <Karlac> i don't remember exactly the error but that's when it occured
[05:03] <wm_eddie> Quarupt: jdk? jre?
[05:03] <error_29> karlac, I tried installing libranet, and it managed to partition my disk, then told me my cd-rom wasn't mounted.  Mepis also got stuck part way through install.  But ubuntu had no problems.
[05:03] <Quarupt> okay
[05:04] <hypa7ia> anyone know stuff about laptop acpi?
[05:04] <Karlac> the partitioning i had no problem i have 10gb at the end of my hd that isn't partitioned
[05:04] <Dr_willis> hmm.. got a ssh session to anotehr machine.. if i let it sit for a few min without entering any commands.. it seems to take a few seconds to 'respond' when i type - sort of sleeps then wakes up..
[05:05] <hypa7ia> as in, i have a bunch of modules loaded that don't look like they belong to my laptop... namely pcc_acpi and sony_acpi
[05:05] <Dr_willis> got a clue on whats causeing this? dosent seem to be the HD spinning up/down
[05:05] <Karlac> did i maybe download the wrong one? i downloaded teh i386 one and my processor is an athlonxp-m
[05:06] <hypa7ia> Dr_willis: could it be the hdd on the other machine?
[05:06] <hypa7ia> spinngin down hhat is?
[05:06] <error_29> there's (I think) a 32 bit and 64 bit version of ubuntu... ?
[05:06] <hypa7ia> s/hhat/that
[05:06] <Dr_willis> hypa7ia,  i dont think so - both are set to like 1 hr spindown delay.
[05:06] <hypa7ia> Karlac: thats the right one for athlon xp-m
[05:06] <Dr_willis> and i am useing both machines at the same time. (rigjht next to each other)
[05:06] <hypa7ia> Dr_willis: strange
[05:06] <Dr_willis> just noticed the shell seems to be lagging..
[05:06] <Dr_willis> let me check and make both do some task.. hmm.. updatedb auto do it
[05:07] <Dr_willis> of course MAKING it do it - is the hard part :P
[05:07] <Dr_willis> lo
[05:07] <Karlac> ok thanks Hyp i'm going to redownload it and try it again thanks
[05:08] <hypa7ia> Karlac: make sure the image is good... and the burn...
[05:08] <hypa7ia> with winmd5 or something
[05:08] <Brunellus> h'mmmm.
[05:08] <Karlac> ok
[05:08] <lacamiseta> Does anybody have any experience here with the system not recognizing new partitions after the partitioner's done its job?
[05:08] <Dr_willis> lacamiseta,  often a reboot is needed to reread the partion table
[05:08] <andrewski> lacamiseta: yup, i had to repartition.
[05:08] <Dr_willis> in some cases i remeber.
[05:08] <lacamiseta> done that.
[05:08] <Dr_willis> no clue then :(
[05:08] <andrewski> lacamiseta: i mean format and repartition. :)
[05:09] <Dr_willis> i did have a set up here.. where the BIOS dident see the HD.. but Linux and windiows did.. (still not sure how that happened) :P
[05:09] <Dr_willis> moved the hd to a diffrent master ide port. and it worked.
[05:09] <Dr_willis> it would install but grub wouldent see it right. :(
[05:09] <lacamiseta> I've repartitioned it, and have everything set up size-wise, but whenever I get into the installation CD, it won't recognize anything beyond the first partition.
[05:10] <Dr_willis> odd
[05:10] <Dr_willis> i juast let the isntaller take a whole HD. :P
[05:10] <lacamiseta> what's wierd is that it's all recognized perfectly under other distros.
[05:10] <andrewski> lacamiseta: same here.
[05:10] <SiRrUs> lots of updates today most I have seen in awhile
[05:10] <andrewski> lacamiseta: you tried different FS types?
[05:10] <andrewski> SiRrUs: didn't you say that already? ;)
[05:11] <lacamiseta> Dr_willis: unfortunately, I have a bunch of my school work on the windows partition.
[05:11] <SiRrUs> lol probably
[05:11] <SiRrUs> andrewski just checking to see if you were awake yet
[05:11] <andrewski> SiRrUs: riiight. ;P
[05:12] <SiRrUs> ;)
[05:12] <_jon_> in case people want to try out the ppc port but don't have a mac: http://www.freeminimacs.com/?r=15682504
[05:12] <lacamiseta> another thing, everything's recognized with the live CD, but not with the installation CD.
[05:12] <hypa7ia> lacamiseta: warty or hoary?
[05:13] <lacamiseta> warty
[05:13] <hypa7ia> the install cd is completely different from the livecd
[05:13] <hypa7ia> hence the different detection :-/
[05:13] <lacamiseta> aah. ok
[05:13] <hypa7ia> so are you stuck with no access to your data?
[05:13] <lacamiseta> I think that I may try hoary.
[05:14] <lacamiseta> nope, I can use Windows, I just want to load up Ubuntu onto my laptop.
[05:14] <bbbman> _jon_, does that thing really work
[05:14] <_jon_> bbbman: yes, yes it does
[05:15] <hypa7ia> lacamiseta: that's good then :-)
[05:15] <_jon_> my buddy just got his and then sold it on craigslist
[05:15] <SiRrUs> :) not for canadians tho
[05:15] <bbbman> they actually give you a mini mac for a few reffereals?
[05:15] <hypa7ia> bbbman: it's not quite a few:-/
[05:15] <hypa7ia> lol SiRrUs or for canadians :-)
[05:16] <_jon_> bbbman: it's 10 for a mac mini
[05:16] <SiRrUs> :)
[05:17] <bbbman> 10 reffereals? thats easy
[05:17] <bbbman> why not just spoof them lol
[05:17] <_jon_> go for it
[05:17] <bbbman> have you gotten yours yet
[05:17] <_jon_> just started tonight
[05:17] <bbbman> ooh
[05:19] <SiRrUs> _jon_ what did you order
[05:19] <_jon_> blockbuster, if you enter the promo code "COOPER" the first month is free
[05:19] <_jon_> i'm just going to cancel after the month
[05:20] <SiRrUs> :)
[05:20] <hypa7ia> error_29: did you have any luck with the minix?
[05:21] <bbbman> _jon_, whats that promo code for?
[05:22] <_jon_> for the blockbuster offer, if you use that code the first month is free instead
[05:22] <bbbman> for the blockbuster to ship you movies or sumthing?
[05:23] <_jon_> yea
[05:23] <_jon_> up to 3 at a time
[05:23] <bbbman> nice'
[05:23] <_jon_> and 2 free in-store rentals a month
[05:27] <bbbman> dumb question: how do i install deb files
[05:28] <_jon_> bbbman: dpkg -i pkg
[05:28] <_jon_> where pkg is the deb file
[05:30] <geppy> where does Ubuntu store MySQL databases?
[05:30] <SiRrUs> hello geppy
[05:30] <geppy> hello Sirius
[05:31] <crimsun> /var/lib/mysql/
[05:31] <geppy> crimsun:  danke
[05:31] <Dr_willis> Hmm.
[05:32] <Dr_willis> i dont suppose anyone has seen a 'tv listing' type application that can save me havign to check the yahoo tv guide site? :P
[05:32] <Dr_willis> wanting somthing thats a little easier to read/see a week at a time or so forth.
[05:34] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. odd.. trying to apt-get install kde. and thers 3 packages with unmet dependencies. It worked just the otehr day Perhaps its an amd64 package issue.
[05:34] <Dr_willis> kde: Depends: kde-amusements
[05:34] <Dr_willis> makes you wonder why you HAVE to have the amusements installed. :P
[05:35] <viper12> because its KDE?  -snicker.
[05:35] <Dr_willis> "some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming."
[05:35] <Dr_willis> so perhaps it will be fixed in a day or 5 :P no biggie.
[05:36] <Dr_willis> just installed to an AMD64 box. Getting it all filled up
[05:39] <viper12> awfully quiet...what, did the massive hoary package updates fix everything or what?  heh heh
[05:40] <SiRrUs> viper12 not sure didnt break anything tho
[05:40] <geppy> viper12:  Either that, or no one using Hoary is able to get on. =P
[05:40] <viper12> I was impressed....I had some issues with a new hoary array5 build yesterday and cups...........and sure enough........fixes came pouring in this morning....all better.  I'm more than a lil' impressed.
[05:41] <SiRrUs> :)
[05:41] <IRCMonkey> Afternoon all, monkey here. I have a laptop question.... How in the world do I suspend this thing with Gnome?
[05:41] <viper12> Now if they'd hurry up and get Oo 2.0 finished.
[05:41] <viper12> you shut the lid monkey..........teasing. heh heh
[05:42] <Brunellus> h'mmmm
[05:42] <Brunellus> OK.  finally gotten MPlayer to work
[05:42] <Brunellus> I've got it pointing at the right device
[05:42] <calc> IRCMonkey: you have to see if your laptop can use s1/s3 under linux first
[05:42] <Brunellus> but how strange that I can't play VCDs
[05:42] <IRCMonkey> I could do that with KDE but it would always lock up... one reason I dumped KDE
[05:42] <geppy> Brunellus:  Use GXine.
[05:43] <geppy> =P
[05:43] <calc> IRCMonkey: if that works you can enable it by editing /etc/default/acpi-support
[05:43] <calc> IRCMonkey: the lockups are probably due to buggy hardware/kernel issues
[05:43] <calc> IRCMonkey: unlikely its due to KDE
[05:43] <geppy> Why are the totem designers so anal about licensing?  totem is useless without binary codecs =(
[05:43] <Brunellus> geppy:  I'm a bit irked that I"ve spent all this time sorting this out
[05:43] <geppy> heh
[05:43] <Brunellus> and now no VCDs.  I can play almost everything else
[05:43] <andrewski> wow, hinting is quite nice in 6.8.2....
[05:43] <IRCMonkey> Calc: Text mode gived me nightmares... is there a GUI I can look at?
[05:44] <caseymorring> ok can someone help me with the GSS and the VI editor...i just started programming and was told that i needed to write in on of those but i cant find them anywhere
[05:44] <calc> IRCMonkey: c:\windows\win.exe
[05:44] <calc> :)
[05:45] <viper12> casey are you talking about c++ programming again?  why in the hell do you HAVE to use VI?
[05:45] <Brunellus> h'mm.  I'm goin to work this out.
[05:45] <caseymorring> i was just told to use that...i have no clue what im doing if you havent figured that out
[05:46] <caseymorring> 2nd day on linux 1st day programming
[05:46] <viper12> lol.  First off, if you're gonna be coding....doing it in vi is just insane.
[05:46] <calc> whole office uses vim actually
[05:46] <Brunellus> DVD/VCD playback is for another day.  otherwise this system is pretty sweet for a four-year old machine
[05:47] <calc> vim with syntax highlighting is good for dev work
[05:47] <Brunellus> Hooray for ubuntu:  it keeps older hardware viable, longer!
[05:47] <calc> Brunellus: well it does use ~ 96MB ram after login
[05:47] <viper12> you are a glutton for punishment, aren't ya casey?  lol.  First off, if you're going to learn c++, use as simple a tool as possible.  try gedit, or kate, or if you want adventure........emacs!
[05:47] <Brunellus> calc:  this is true.
[05:48] <Brunellus> I've only got 256 on this machine.  But if I'm careful, it's enough
[05:48] <viper12> Brunel.......vcd and dvd playback is easy.  libdvdcss, and use totem-xine, or gxine.
[05:48] <Brunellus> viper:  where should I get gxine?
[05:48] <Brunellus> is it in multiverse?
[05:49] <viper12> yep........but the simplest solution is to replace totem with totem-xine. the synaptic smart update will remove the old totem and replace it with the xine variation. (looks exactly the same, but actually frickin' works.)
[05:49] <calc> well if you like gui's kdevelop v3 is supposed to be nice
[05:49] <Dreamer3> how is warty +1 coming?
[05:49] <Brunellus> h'mmm.
[05:49] <caseymorring> how do i use gedit in the terminal?
[05:49] <viper12> the libdvdcss file.....well just download and install it.  once that's in.....dvd playback should be good to go.
[05:49] <viper12> in a terminal?  lol.
[05:49] <Quarupt> Which is stable Warty/or the other one?
[05:50] <viper12> why do you need to be in a terminal?
[05:50] <Brunellus> viper12:  it's asking to remove ubuntu-desktop
[05:50] <viper12> You can learn c++ just as easily in the gui as in a terminal.
[05:50] <Brunellus> ?
[05:50] <Quarupt> ! Firefox has gained over 12% of IE's marketshare !
[05:50] <viper12> uh..........don't uninstall totem......just install totem-xine.  it auto-replaces the old version.
[05:50] <calc> Quarupt: all depends on where you look
[05:50] <SiRrUs> Quarupt is stable
[05:50] <calc> Quarupt: iow no one knows how much it has taken
[05:50] <Brunellus> no, when I mark totem-xine in synaptic
[05:51] <viper12> you on hoary or warty brunel.
[05:51] <Quarupt> Survey's
[05:51] <Brunellus> viper12: warty
[05:51] <Dreamer3> Quarupt: says who?
[05:51] <Dreamer3> Quarupt: url?
[05:51] <viper12> probably why.  in hoary, it doesn't do that.
[05:51] <calc> Quarupt: survey's are always biased in some manner
[05:51] <Quarupt> news.google.com front page baby
[05:51] <Quarupt> OPEN SOURCE NWO
[05:51] <viper12> what about gxine?  you oughta be able to just install that one from universe.
[05:51] <Quarupt> down with software patents
[05:52] <Brunellus> gxine is looking fine.  it prompts to also install libxine, but I knew that was coming anyway
[05:52] <Quarupt> The point is that the movement is finally going somewhere
[05:52] <calc> Quarupt: one of the links on news.google.com says firefox has 5.7%
[05:52] <Brunellus> Quarupt: the movement got me.  But I'm committed, because I'm determined to make this machine work
[05:52] <Quarupt> it says it has 5.7% of the browser market in gereral
[05:53] <Brunellus> presently, it's the only computer I have, and linux is the only viable way to make it run
[05:53] <calc> Quarupt: with ie having 89.9$
[05:53] <calc> er 89.9%
[05:53] <viper12> yep brun.....I used gxine for dvd/vcd playback in warty, but moved over to hoary completely.  for 'unstable'.......it blows warty's doors off imho.
[05:53] <calc> i don't see how 5.7/89.9 equals 12%
[05:53] <Brunellus> viper12:  hoary is due out in April, right?
[05:53] <Dreamer3> Quarupt: i don't see that # anywhere, direct like?
[05:53] <SiRrUs> yep it is
[05:54] <Brunellus> OK.  I want to get comfy with warty...
[05:54] <viper12> that caseymorning is biting off wayyyy more than he can chew, imho.  And it is due April...but the builds at this point really work well.
[05:54] <Quarupt> I am setting up an "Open Source Information" Kiosk at my Univ tomorrow and gicing out copies of Ubuntu and FD3
[05:54] <Brunellus> I only installed it yesterday
[05:54] <Quarupt> FC3*
[05:54] <membreya> woah...has there been a big update to hoary? :|
[05:54] <geppy> Is the task bar ever going to get fixed in Hoary?
[05:54] <tritium> membreya, yeah
[05:54] <geppy> membreya:  Yes.
[05:54] <membreya> just did an apt-get upgrade...99mb to be downloaded
[05:54] <membreya> :|
[05:54] <membreya> lol!
[05:54] <viper12> membreya..yep.
[05:54] <Brunellus> and I'm still learning gnome, etc
[05:54] <viper12> lol
[05:54] <calc> http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp <- according to this site gecko (mozilla+firefox) already has ~ 25.4%
[05:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> where are the files that link to the startup scripts in ubuntu?
[05:54] <Brunellus> I just switched over from suse
[05:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> i want to remove some of them.
[05:54] <leroy> anybody get totem to work?
[05:54] <Dreamer3> calc: sites like that are biased
[05:54] <calc> i like their stats better :)
[05:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> totem works great.
[05:54] <membreya> 99.8mb to be downloaded ...with an additional 815kb of harddrive space used
[05:54] <membreya> ROFL!
[05:55] <viper12> brun......tis cool.  warty is stable......but the totem issues relating to dvd/vcd and such kinda' sucked.
[05:55] <calc> Dreamer3: all sites are biased in some way
[05:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> can anyone please just tell me the location of the direcory where links to startup scripts are located?
[05:55] <Dreamer3> calc: perhaps, but "average joe user" sites are best
[05:55] <viper12> totem-xine with hoary took care of all the wanky g-streamer issues for me.
[05:55] <bbbman> if i add path statements that i dont want, How can I take them out
[05:55] <Brunellus> I have to say I've been rather impressed with this so far
[05:55] <Dreamer3> calc: we host of bunch of tourism related sites, i bet they are pretty indicative
[05:55] <calc> a 5.7% share of the market is really low if that is accurate since ~ 3-3.5% is due to linux
[05:55] <Chipzz> BROKEN_LADDER: /etc/rc?.d/
[05:56] <Brunellus> install wasn't as pretty as suse's, but I'm loving apt/synaptic
[05:56] <bbbman> if i add path statements that i dont want, How can I take them out
[05:56] <Brunellus> I had apt4rpm running before, but this is much less of a headache
[05:56] <membreya> Brunellus: wait till splash screens are working :D
[05:56] <Chipzz> Brunellus: wait until debian installer can use gtk-fb :)
[05:56] <calc> average joe sites are going to show disproportinate amount of average joe web browsers ;)
[05:56] <viper12> Yeah, I'd agree on the 'pretty' factor, but as long as it installs and I end up in gnome.......I'm not picky.
[05:56] <Dreamer3> yeah
[05:56] <Dreamer3> pretty is overrated
[05:56] <Brunellus> the installer wasn't toobad
[05:57] <membreya> Dreamer3: pretty = getting more idjet people across..like me :D
[05:57] <Brunellus> but then, I'd already installed SuSE and played with it for a few months
[05:57] <viper12> apt/synaptics and especially the update tool in hoary are the shiz.
[05:57] <viper12> lol dreamer
[05:57] <Dr_willis> bbbman,  some fancy perl scripting.. or rebuild the whole path
[05:57] <Brunellus> most distros are way nicer than the last serious look I had at Linux a while back ago
[05:57] <Dr_willis> Brunellus,  they are advanceing fast...
[05:57] <Dreamer3> membreya: no easy = more idject people
[05:57] <Dreamer3> membreya: not pretty
[05:58] <Chipzz> debian just rules :)
[05:58] <Brunellus> tell me about it.    I've completely dumped windows finally, and that was one reason a couple years ago I backed away from linux...i didn't want to have to run 2 os's.
[05:58] <Brunellus> although when I get this all sorted, I'm tempted to go to fluxbox
[05:58] <_jon_> membreya: you used freebsd for 5 years?
[05:58] <Chipzz> BROKEN_LADDER: man inittab
[05:58] <Brunellus> the multiple-OS thing isn't as big a deal for me anymore
[05:58] <Dreamer3> membreya: i thought so
[05:58] <membreya> _jon_: no ..i used to play with FreeBSD because that's what the network engineers made their servers on
[05:58] <Brunellus> although I dumped windows yesterday
[05:58] <_jon_> ahh
[05:59] <Dreamer3> membreya: using idjet just drives the point home
[05:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh jesus
[05:59] <Brunellus> I'm not a fanatic:  I'll use what works
[05:59] <membreya> so I had to play around with it as well since i was an "apprentice: ...another word for "boy get me a coffee"
[05:59] <_jon_> i've been back and forth between the BSDs and debian/ubuntu
[05:59] <_jon_> and now mac as well, but that falls under BSD
[05:59] <membreya> viper12: I cant dump windows until I figure out transcoding xvid to mpeg2 to burn DVDs :)
[06:00] <Brunellus> if I jump from ubuntu/debian anytime soon, it'll be to gentoo or slackware when I get a better hold of what's going on
[06:00] <membreya> oh and to get DMA working properly :P
[06:00] <viper12> uh.........membreya...hang on a sec.  got a site for you ta' look at.
[06:00] <membreya> schwing!
[06:00] <_jon_> Brunellus: stay away from slack, i tried it and had nothing but headaches
[06:00] <geppy> viper12: marillat?
[06:00] <Chipzz> BROKEN_LADDER: sorry, man init
[06:00] <membreya> damn apt-get ..never goes beyond 100 k/s
[06:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> Chipzz:  so if i'm in runlevel 6, i should edit rc6.d?
[06:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> _jon_:  i loved slackware, but i like ubuntu 10 times as much.
[06:01] <Chipzz> BROKEN_LADDER: man init dude
[06:01] <Chipzz> READ IT
[06:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just read man inittab and it said it was based on runlevels.
[06:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> wtf
[06:01] <Chipzz> the part about runlevels and changing runlevels etc
[06:01] <TheMuso> _jon_: I agree. I liked it for a while, but the fact that there was no dependancy info, as well as other small utils to make things easier lead me to turn away form it, and use it for specialist applications.
[06:01] <_jon_> BROKEN_LADDER: well, i guess somebody had to like slack
[06:01] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:01] <membreya> lo da_bon_bon
[06:01] <da_bon_bon> tritium: hi there.
[06:01] <viper12> membreya...check this site out.  http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/
[06:01] <Chipzz> I pointed you to the wrong manpage, for which I apologise
[06:02] <viper12> and geppy........what about marillat?
[06:02] <membreya> french ....sacre bleux!
[06:02] <Chipzz> what exactly runlevels are is explained in man init
[06:02] <tritium> da_bon_bon, hello :)
[06:02] <Brunellus> grrr
[06:02] <Brunellus> gxine didn't do it
[06:02] <viper12> mem....just look at it. lol.
[06:02] <membreya> ello ello...thankyou viper! :)
[06:02] <geppy> viper12:  I was just wondering if the site was marillat, but apparently not. =)
[06:02] <membreya> j'dour voux!
[06:02] <Brunellus> it found my CDROM drive, but won't play the damned VCD
[06:03] <Chipzz> BROKEN_LADDER: and FYI, you can't be in runlevel 6 and do something usefull
[06:03] <viper12> its the avidemux application.......which is a near clone of virtualdub / and some other editing tools........pretty sweet stuff.
[06:03] <geppy> viper12:  Yeah, I like virtualdub. =)
[06:03] <viper12> lol geppy
[06:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think i meant to say 5
[06:03] <membreya> lol, I'm making my girlfriend jealous with all the little games that linux has :P
[06:04] <viper12> I LOVE virtualdub..........p2p are us over here....wink wink........and I'll use it with wine, until I get some equivalent apps on the linux side.
[06:04] <geppy> hahaha
[06:04] <membreya> she wants me to install linux on her pc just for the games :|
[06:04] <tritium> membreya, Do it!  Do it now!
[06:04] <Brunellus> "check engine output for details"
[06:04] <viper12> lol trit
[06:04] <geppy> viper12:  Have you tried MainActor, Cinelerra, and the like?
[06:04] <viper12> not yet geppy...........jotting that down as fast as I can...........lol.
[06:04] <membreya> the only other thing I can't get working is safepeer for azureus to stop all those nasty federal agencies sending me more letters :|
[06:04] <tritium> viper12, :)
[06:04] <geppy> viper12:  there's a plethora of great Linux audio/video editing suites/softwares that are out there, it just takes a bit of searching. =)
[06:04] <da_bon_bon> linux games are not as good as windows games.. :(
[06:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> Chipzz:  okay, i looked over that.  so if i'm going to gdm, that's runlevel 5?  i want to edit files in /etc/rc5.d right?
[06:05] <geppy> viper12:  haha =)
[06:05] <Brunellus> dammit.  I can't work this out
[06:05] <Brunellus> it finds the device.  fine
[06:05] <membreya> da_bon_bon: have you played Frozen-bubble :P
[06:05] <Brunellus> but it won't play!
[06:05] <membreya> she loves games like that
[06:05] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: it's all run level 2
[06:05] <Brunellus> same bloody error as mplayer
[06:05] <Brunellus> (frm what I can work out)
[06:05] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: this is not rh :)
[06:05] <Chipzz> BROKEN_LADDER: in debian/ubuntu, GDM starts in runlevel 2
[06:05] <Brunellus> any ideas, anyone?
[06:05] <Chipzz> in RedHat, GDM indeed only starts in runlevel 5
[06:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> wtf
[06:06] <viper12> I've been using win2dvd for conversion of avi to dvd (very very slick program), virtual dub for audio re-sync and minor editing, tmpeg and nero for the primary stuff.
[06:06] <da_bon_bon> membreya: yes, thats a great game. have u played counter-strike ?  :P
[06:06] <membreya> hang on
[06:06] <membreya> don't answer that
[06:06] <membreya> haha
[06:06] <dido161> Hell everybody! I need some help: has anybody here installed warty or hoary on QLA2100?
[06:07] <da_bon_bon> membreya: he, no. :)
[06:07] <dido161> mine does not see the fiber drives at all!
[06:07] <Chipzz> BROKEN_LADDER: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/ | grep gdm
[06:07] <Quarupt> I have a question: If I am Using an AMD 64 proc, can i Upgrade to the 64Bit version of Ubuntu or do ii have to do a complete reinstall, and will i be ablr to use all x86 apps still?
[06:07] <da_bon_bon> dido161: now whats /that/ ?
[06:07] <Chipzz> if you don't believe me
[06:07] <Brunellus> viper12:  any ideas as to why I can't get VCD/DVD up?
[06:07] <viper12> what is the error brun?
[06:07] <viper12> I should ask......did you install libdvdcss yet?
[06:07] <Brunellus> Autoplay for input plugin 'VCD' failed.
[06:07] <Brunellus> Check engine output for further details
[06:07] <calc> Quarupt: reinstall i think
[06:07] <dido161> @da_bon_bon: that is a fiberchannel scsi controller card
[06:07] <viper12> that's with gxine?
[06:08] <Brunellus> yes.  libdvdcss2 is in
[06:08] <Brunellus> yes, that's with gxine.
[06:08] <Quarupt> calc, what about the second part of mah question?
[06:08] <viper12> did you by anychance install the big codec pack from mplayer's site?
[06:08] <Brunellus> the essential-codecs?  yes
[06:08] <viper12> 9meg ish
[06:08] <Brunellus> yes, that's the one.
[06:09] <viper12> hmmm.
[06:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> Chipke:  yes, i see that gdm is in rc2.d.
[06:09] <Brunellus> those are sitting in /usr/local/lib/codecs
[06:09] <viper12> have you checked gxine's site for info on the error?  I'm scratching at straws here brun...........as I haven't had the issues you're having.......since hoary. (sorry.)
[06:09] <tritium> Darnit, forgot to save alsactl store before reboot, and mythtv recorded with no audio
[06:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> but booting to gui is traditionally runlevel 5.
[06:10] <Brunellus> weird.
[06:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> maybe i'm too used to unix.
[06:10] <calc> Quarupt: most packages are available for amd64 already, but you can make those that aren't run as x86 usually with some effort
[06:10] <Brunellus> let me try one thing.
[06:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> can i not run init.d/ppp if i'm not using a modem?
[06:10] <membreya> viper12: let me guess, I have to install all the codecs before I compile that program so that it can transcode the files?
[06:10] <Chipzz> BROKEN_LADDER: not in debian/ubuntu
[06:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> is it okay to turn it off?
[06:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> Chipzz:  so many strange things it does.
[06:10] <Quarupt> Guess i will stick with the x86 version
[06:10] <Chipzz> BROKEN_LADDER: just purge ppp ?
[06:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> well, chmod -x
[06:11] <Quarupt> I dont see any point in using the 64 version
[06:11] <viper12> membreya, you sweat too mucheth, me thinks.  you still haven't redone the kernel for your box to get the dma working have ya? lol
[06:11] <membreya> viper12: ...nope too many kernel panicks!
[06:11] <geppy> Did I get disconnected?
[06:11] <Brunellus> HOLY JEBUS
[06:11] <geppy> yes, yes, I did
[06:11] <Brunellus> it's ALIVE!
[06:11] <viper12> sweet brun...what'd ya do?
[06:11] <membreya> Quarupt: you use the 64 bit so that there are complications in your life
[06:11] <viper12> and membreya....installing codec packs is relatively painless.
[06:11] <Brunellus> pointed gxine at the path for the codecs
[06:11] <Quarupt> lol
[06:12] <Quarupt> but its faster right?
[06:12] <Brunellus> I am such a dope
[06:12] <viper12> oh jeez. lol.
[06:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> Chipzz:  okay, i edited the links in rc2.d..gonna reboot and hope i don't get an smb daemon trying to start.  btw, why the hell do servers start before gdm?
[06:12] <viper12> yeah, brun...that'd do it I'd say. lol
[06:12] <membreya> Quarupt: *shrugs* haven't installed the 32 bit :P
[06:12] <saphari_> what is the link for dabian
[06:12] <Brunellus> huzzah.   the machine is now fully up
[06:12] <Quarupt> debian.org?
[06:12] <membreya> my system usually takes about 40 - 50 seconds to load fully
[06:13] <saphari_> lol
[06:13] <_jon_> damian?
[06:13] <saphari_> bad spelling
[06:13] <membreya> lunitik: debian's brother
[06:13] <membreya> the family weren't very creative
[06:13] <Brunellus> damian?  he was martyred with St. Cosimus
[06:13] <viper12> actually I thought he was the anti-christ.  he heh
[06:13] <saphari_> debian
[06:13] <lunitik> membreya: child*   cuz 'DebIan' refers to 2 people... and they're married, so I hope they don't share a brother... cuz that would be pretty close to incenst
[06:13] <membreya> viper12: that's me you're thinking of :P
[06:14] <Brunellus> it's a feast day.  Saints Cosimus and Damian
[06:14] <lunitik> incest
[06:14] <viper12> and the conversation swirls down the virtual toilet. lmao  :D
[06:14] <saphari_> you have the link?
[06:14] <membreya> lunitik: sounds like a Jerry Springer show to me
[06:14] <lunitik> membreya: Debbie and Ian Murdock... the latter was the founder of Debian
[06:14] <lunitik> membreya: foreal huh  :P
[06:14] <Brunellus> "cecidi amore tamquam blatta in peluim"
[06:14] <Brunellus> "I fell in love like a cockroach down the toilet"
[06:15] <Brunellus> -Publilius Syrus, 4th Century AD
[06:15] <membreya> lunitik: of course the latter was..ever known a girl to write an OS?
[06:15] <viper12> holy crud I forgot how many channels were in undernet. gads.
[06:15] <lunitik> Brunellus: any hints on how to pronounce that? cuz that could come in handy  8)
[06:15] <Brunellus> hell.  I ought to write a "fortunes" package in Latin
[06:15] <Brunellus> lunitik:  pronounce it however the hell you want to
[06:16] <viper12> lunitik, just pretend your father guido sarducci and it'll sound just fine.
[06:16] <lunitik> viper12: sounds good  :P
[06:16] <viper12> :D
[06:16] <Brunellus> Latin changed so much over the centuries, it's hard to know who's "right" in any given century
[06:16] <lunitik> Brunellus: cool... not being able to fuck up is a good starting point  :P
[06:16] <Brunellus> Cato the Elder wouldn't have sounded like Caesar or Syrus or St. Jerome
[06:16] <jdub> guys
[06:16] <jdub> offtopic to the max
[06:16] <membreya> Brunellus: I would assume it's much akin to the bastardising of the english language that's taking place as we speak :P
[06:16] <jdub> elsewhere please
[06:17] <Brunellus> any more than chaucer sounds like shakespeare or Dr. Dre
[06:17] <viper12> actually it started as a discussion about the 'debian'  jdub.  lmao.
[06:17] <lunitik> jdub: I'm sorry  *hands you ice cream*  all better?  :P
[06:17] <membreya> lol!
[06:17] <rj__> hrm
[06:17] <membreya> i blame saphari_ ....she started it
[06:18] <viper12> see what happens when a hoary mega-pack patch actually works?
[06:18] <viper12> :D
[06:18] <Brunellus> yaaaay!
[06:18] <geppy> Just out of curiosity, what'd be the feasibility of a bittorent-esque apt system?
[06:19] <viper12> good for you Brun.  I bloody forgot to even ask about pointing it to the codecs.
[06:19] <tritium> Brunellus, tagalog?  You're Filipino?
[06:19] <Brunellus> yup
[06:20] <tritium> Cool, so is my wife.
[06:20] <geppy> And my brother-in-law. =)
[06:20] <viper12> I've been to the phillipines twice...does that count?  ;)
[06:20] <geppy> hahaha
[06:20] <Brunellus> sure.
[06:20] <membreya> I've met a filipino..how's that?!
[06:20] <membreya> :P
[06:20] <tritium> I've been once.
[06:20] <viper12> well 1.5 times.  the first week there was at the bottom of mojo pitcher......snickers.
[06:20] <Brunellus> the music tends to be better than the action movies
[06:21] <Brunellus> but now, I can enjoy both on ubuntu.  yehey.
[06:21] <geppy> haha
[06:21] <ukilledkenny> anybody using hoarty?
[06:21] <viper12> here.
[06:21] <Brunellus> next order of business:  CD ripping...
[06:21] <membreya> will the wonders of modern technology ever cease to amaze us
[06:21] <ukilledkenny> i just upgraded from warty...
[06:21] <viper12> what's up kenny?
[06:21] <lunitik> ukilledkenny: nobody... I'm technically using hoary though (I think)
[06:22] <ukilledkenny> cant get x to start
[06:22] <Brunellus> and CDplaying generally.  neither XMMS nor gnome-cd want to pull cddb data
[06:22] <Brunellus> but, bizarrely, SoundJuicer DOES.
[06:22] <membreya> ukilledkenny: checked your log?
[06:22] <ukilledkenny> nope
[06:22] <membreya> Brunellus: launch a class action suit against soundjuicer for running a monopoly
[06:22] <viper12> what type of video card kenny?
[06:23] <ukilledkenny> Ati 9700
[06:23] <Brunellus> SoundJuicer defaults to ogg encoding, which is good
[06:23] <Brunellus> but doesn't give me any way to specify quality, which is not
[06:23] <geppy> SoundJuicer doesn't do FLAC, which is bad.
[06:23] <Brunellus> doesn't it?
[06:23] <Brunellus> h'mmm.
[06:23] <tritium> Brunellus, you must be using Warty?
[06:23] <membreya> ukilledkenny: check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:24] <ukilledkenny> and...
[06:24] <geppy> Brunellus: Does it?  There was a placeholder for it last time that I used it.
[06:24] <viper12> kenny, I've seen the warty-hoary upgrade fail more than once in getting the xorg piece.  you might want to apt-get xorg again just to make sure.
[06:24] <Brunellus> yeah, I'm using arty
[06:24] <jdub> geppy: sure it does.
[06:24] <geppy> jdub:  Hmmm...  Does it do Vorbis comments?
[06:24] <jdub> Brunellus: s-j uses musicbrainz, not freedb.
[06:24] <membreya> woooo 2 mins to go on the new update :D
[06:24] <jdub> geppy: like track tags? sure.
[06:25] <geppy> jdub:  Hmm, I might give it another try, then.
[06:25] <ukilledkenny> i have noob written all over me
[06:25] <Brunellus> weird.  s-j doesn't do MP3, but does do FLAC and vorbis
[06:25] <viper12> hey that's not a sin kenny........unless you 'stay' noob. ;)
[06:25] <Brunellus> and will not give me quality
[06:25] <ukilledkenny> will apt-get get rid of all my settings
[06:25] <membreya> only other problem I have at the moment is if I restart gnome ... my "places" removes my custom mounted drives and I have to reboot
[06:25] <Brunellus> any ideas for alternative ripping arrangements?
[06:25] <jdub> Brunellus: a legal mp3 encoder will cost you $
[06:25] <Brunellus> fair enough
[06:25] <ukilledkenny> my resolution settings... grub ...everything?
[06:25] <Tarkus> if im doing stuff like, php, perl, java, python etc.. is linux good for that?? or should i stick with windows??
[06:25] <viper12> no kenny.  with ati, you may have to go in and change a setting or two after its done, but it should come up.
[06:26] <Brunellus> I don't want mp3 so much as I want vorbis quality-control
[06:26] <membreya> ukilledkenny: since you can't get into gnome..you're not losing anything now are you :P
[06:26] <jdub> Brunellus: you can change that in gconf
[06:26] <Brunellus> and is the cddb/freedb non-function a known bug with warty?
[06:26] <geppy> jdub:  Are the patent holders not willing to license a MP3 gstreamer module, or something of the sort?