[01:23] <systemsgotyou> is the root account disabled by default is 16.04?
[02:00] <nchambers> systemsgotyou, it worked fine for me when I used it
[03:40] <terabyte> hey
[03:40] <terabyte> I have a debian package that I uploaded to my own repo. It was signed by me (i know it's signed correctly because i verified it with debsigs-verify command).
[03:41] <terabyte> When I try to do  "/usr/bin/apt-get -q -y -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confold install packagename"   it says that the package isn't signed... is there another signature somewhere that i've missed?
[03:42] <terabyte> specifically this is said "E: There were unauthenticated packages and -y was used without --allow-unauthenticated"
[03:44] <terabyte> sudo apt-key list also shows the expected key listed...
[10:00] <zhhuabj> jamespage, ping
[10:01] <jamespage> zhhuabj, hello
[10:01] <zhhuabj> jaemspage, seems we forgot to release it https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cloud-archive/+archive/ubuntu/kilo-staging/+build/11246354
[10:02] <zhhuabj> jamespage, this is for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/1640676/
[10:03] <zhhuabj> jamespage, the package was published on 07/12, but we still can't find it from -update pocket
[10:06] <jamespage> hmm
[10:07] <jamespage> zhhuabj, I see the problem - let me get that fixed
[10:07] <zhhuabj> jamespage, great thanks -:)
[10:09] <EvilAngel> any of you used nova compute kvm?
[10:10] <jamespage> oh yes
[10:10] <EvilAngel> you liking it?
[10:10] <EvilAngel> was going to do vms like usual but thought i'd try lxd
[10:10] <SipriusPT> hello guys
[10:11] <jamespage> EvilAngel, those are not mutually exclusive options - you can mix KVM and LXD in the same cloud
[10:11] <SipriusPT> i am having an issue with redirecting mail from an outside domain to another outside domain in my smarthost
[10:12] <SipriusPT> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/unable-to-forward-mail-from-external-account-to-external-account-4175595120/
[10:12] <SipriusPT> Resuming, with alias_maps, i have the right relay but the wrong sender domain (@remote.domainX.pt), with virtual_alias_maps, it uses a wrong relay (localhost) and the right sender (@domainX.pt), as you can see above.
[10:12] <EvilAngel> jamespage: oh ok. yeah i just noticed that at the end of th einstall
[10:12] <SipriusPT> i am using postfix
[10:12] <EvilAngel> it's tied to libvirt
[10:13] <SipriusPT> anyone can help me?
[10:13] <SipriusPT> i am able to pay a drink for the guy who discover where the problem is eheh i am almost 3 days trying to fix this
[10:14] <SipriusPT> *how to solve it
[10:14] <EvilAngel> sorry dude. im no good with mail. yet
[10:15] <SipriusPT> this could be your worst nightmare
[10:15] <SipriusPT> here is my warning lol
[10:15] <EvilAngel> lol
[10:15] <EvilAngel> dude i got a page long devtodo
[10:15] <EvilAngel> you don't even want to see it
[10:16] <SipriusPT> xD
[10:16] <cpaelzer> I guess in general there is rarely a lot of response to "raise your hands if you are idling" :-)
[10:16] <rbasak> cpaelzer: to triage bug 1609051, I think: not relevant for server users, so can leave it to other teams to triage. But I believe for issues in images going out in OTAs, you can add a task for canonical-devices-system-image to get the attention of the relevant devices people.
[10:17] <cpaelzer> rbasak: thank you so much, I never had any contact with them so I didn't know who to ping to get the right focus
[10:38] <metachr0n> hello everyone, does anyone have suggestions for cleanup after upgrades from 14.04 to 16.04 ... i'm seeing quite a few systemd failures in the syslog "Failed to foward Released message: No buffer space available" for example\
[10:38] <EvilAngel> SipriusPT: there are people that will help for money. not sure who here, but for centos bahumbug will, for a steep price.
[10:38] <EvilAngel> some guys will do it for dabs
[10:39] <EvilAngel> lol
[10:39] <metachr0n> chrom laughs at your centos
[10:39] <EvilAngel> i fuckin hate centos
[10:39] <metachr0n> i don't hate anything
[10:39] <EvilAngel> but it's what companies use sometimes
[10:39] <metachr0n> the right tool for the job
[10:39] <metachr0n> but yeah
[10:39] <metachr0n> centos isn't my prefered distro
[10:39] <metachr0n> for anything
[10:39] <EvilAngel> it's alright if you use it a bit but it's very limited
[10:39] <metachr0n> XD
[10:40] <metachr0n> commercial influences usually have a negative impact on things
[10:40] <EvilAngel> ubuntu always works for me tbh
[10:40] <EvilAngel> gotta beat it sometimes but it'll get there
[10:41] <metachr0n> i like gentoo, debian ( and debian based ), and i have recently taken a liking to void
[10:41] <EvilAngel> i like all those too
[10:42] <EvilAngel> void i don't know
[10:42] <metachr0n> depends on what you are trying to do i gues
[10:42] <cpaelzer> menas he likes nothing :-)
[10:42] <metachr0n> guess
[10:42] <metachr0n> :D
[10:42] <EvilAngel> i used gentoo for years. it was great.
[10:43] <EvilAngel> ubuntu gave me back my time though. gentoo was always taking my attention away from work.
[10:43] <cpaelzer> EvilAngel: that is kind of my gentoo story as well
[10:43] <cpaelzer> I liked the suprt-control I had but eventually realized how much time I spent to control everything (on the builds especially)
[10:44] <metachr0n> i'm using gentoo hardened ... never breaks as long as you follow one simple rule ... update frequently ... build world, depclean, revdep-rebuild
[10:44] <EvilAngel> it's like a toy with too many options
[10:44] <metachr0n> well getting it setup yes
[10:44] <metachr0n> 3 days to setup properly even with scripts and stuff
[10:44] <metachr0n> because i always forget some little thing here or there
[10:44] <metachr0n> but yes
[10:44] <metachr0n> initial install / setup a beotch
[10:44] <EvilAngel> oh yeah. i think the best thign is stock gentoo. no outside sources etc
[10:44] <metachr0n> after that ... smooth provided you've got a powerful enough machine to tear through the code
[10:44] <EvilAngel> then it's rock solid
[10:45] <metachr0n> yep ;)
[10:45] <metachr0n> and best of all
[10:45] <metachr0n> systemd is optional
[10:45] <metachr0n> also for void linux
[10:45] <EvilAngel> oh yeah, but i like systemd. even though it's a pita when it's not working
[10:46] <metachr0n> it has some nice features
[10:46] <metachr0n> but it should be optional if there are other ways of doing it
[10:46] <metachr0n> its another topic ... but it came from freedesktop ... lennart and thus its a red hat product
[10:47] <metachr0n> more or less :)
[10:47] <metachr0n> opinions may differ
[10:47] <metachr0n> and thats ok
[10:47] <metachr0n> its not evil
[10:47] <metachr0n> but it was a power grab
[10:47] <EvilAngel> i know
[10:48] <EvilAngel> i just don't care because they a bunch of whinny bitches
[10:48] <EvilAngel> diversity is good
[10:48] <EvilAngel> monoculture bad
[10:49] <metachr0n> diversity is good for everyone
[10:49] <metachr0n> monoculture is good for their profit
[10:50] <EvilAngel> i love when people get excited about forks
[10:50] <EvilAngel> that's what this is really all about
[10:50] <metachr0n> yep
[10:50] <metachr0n> and thats what makes it great sharing, taking, giving ...
[10:50] <metachr0n> i worked for red hat for a very short time
[10:50] <EvilAngel> cool
[10:50] <metachr0n> some things about them are impressive and they have some great people
[10:51] <EvilAngel> i'm studying for their exams
[10:51] <metachr0n> which ones are you taking
[10:51] <EvilAngel> rhcsa
[10:51] <EvilAngel> then onward
[10:51] <metachr0n> that one isn't bad ... i've got rhcsa, rhce ... both are pretty much cake if you study for a week you got those two
[10:52] <EvilAngel> yeah
[10:52] <EvilAngel> I don't know centos very well.
[10:52] <metachr0n> the problem is the time ...
[10:52] <metachr0n> well ... something interesting is how red hat likes to reinvent the ways of doing things every release
[10:52] <EvilAngel> i've been doing freebsd and ubuntu a lot lately. i should have been studying lol
[10:53] <metachr0n> to the extent that it drives their training profits ;)
[10:53] <EvilAngel> oh
[10:53] <EvilAngel> yeah but they change so slowly
[10:53] <metachr0n> my opinion
[10:53] <EvilAngel> when's rh8?
[10:53] <metachr0n> rhel yes
[10:53] <metachr0n> but rhosp for example ...
[10:53] <metachr0n> and i know its a fast moving target
[10:53] <metachr0n> to be fair
[10:53] <EvilAngel> look at the centos kernel lol
[10:54] <EvilAngel> i shouldn't laugh. it's working great on this x3850 m2
[10:54] <EvilAngel> ubuntu didn't...
[10:55] <metachr0n> red hat is super fast to respond to customer issues
[10:55] <metachr0n> even backports and other patches
[10:55] <metachr0n> sometimes same day
[10:56] <EvilAngel> they would have to be
[10:56] <EvilAngel> they wouldn't survive otherwise
[10:56] <metachr0n> but they are using the system ... to the extent that they gain controlling interests in the development teams of major stuff ... and thus they are guiding the future of linux as much as they can
[10:57] <metachr0n> thats what i don't like
[10:57] <EvilAngel> but are they?
[10:57] <EvilAngel> i mean, they're not getting in my way at all
[10:57] <metachr0n> well systemd is nearly unavoidable
[10:57] <EvilAngel> ahh
[10:57] <metachr0n> that was their doing
[10:58] <EvilAngel> ok, fair enough. i heard that was kinda nasty on their part
[10:58] <metachr0n> it is difficult to use a new gnome-based anything without your freedesktop goodies
[10:58] <metachr0n> and new software developed for those systems cannot be used on a *BSD box for the most part
[10:58] <EvilAngel> yeah, we need a new server for sure
[10:58] <EvilAngel> raster could do it
[10:58] <EvilAngel> alone
[10:59] <metachr0n> i personally in that regard use OpenBSD where possible ... then FreeBSD ... then Debian, Ubuntu, or Gentoo ( especially if i need something specialized / embedded )
[10:59] <EvilAngel> someone should give him a bunch of cash to write a new xserver
[10:59] <metachr0n> you mean Carsten Heitzler?  Rasterman?
[10:59] <EvilAngel> yeah
[10:59] <metachr0n> i know Raster ... used to work at VA Linux together back in the day
[11:00] <EvilAngel> i seen him write code
[11:00] <metachr0n> he is one of the few people i've seen code and talk at the same time
[11:00] <metachr0n> yes
[11:00] <EvilAngel> it's rediculous
[11:00] <metachr0n> :)
[11:00] <metachr0n> its insane
[11:00] <metachr0n> and then it compiles
[11:00] <EvilAngel> oh i know
[11:00] <metachr0n> i can't walk and chew gum at the same time
[11:00] <metachr0n> Raster is also a cool guy ... haven't been in touch with him lately
[11:01] <metachr0n> he was in Japan last i heard
[11:01] <EvilAngel> same
[11:01] <EvilAngel> i left IT and became afarmer
[11:01] <EvilAngel> lol
[11:01] <EvilAngel> but came back of course
[11:01] <EvilAngel> so no idea what's up with E
[11:01] <EvilAngel> been reading cuddletech again though
[11:01] <EvilAngel> ben's stuff
[11:01] <EvilAngel> he's the shit too
[11:02] <EvilAngel> helped make smartos and used to work on E back in the day
[11:04] <metachr0n> are you serious?  sometimes i think about stuff like that ... to get away from the stress of modern life
[11:05] <metachr0n> there are tons of people way better than me ... heroes if you will ... always good to have people we can look up to
[11:05] <metachr0n> but we are each great in our own ... a part of the whole
[11:05] <metachr0n> none insignificant ... none better or worse than the other
[11:05] <metachr0n> just an important part of the whole
[11:05] <EvilAngel> yeah
[11:05] <EvilAngel> well i live in WA and I was farming cannabis
[11:06] <metachr0n> XD
[11:06] <metachr0n> bwahahahahahahaha
[11:06] <metachr0n> getting away from the stress
[11:06] <metachr0n> thats actually cool
[11:06] <EvilAngel> it was awesome but I prefer pooters
[11:06] <EvilAngel> i can't get away
[11:06] <metachr0n> yeah computers are awesome
[11:06] <EvilAngel> speaking of which
[11:07] <EvilAngel> gotta crash
[11:07] <EvilAngel> nice talking to you. i'll be back with question tomorrow about nova n stuff
[11:07] <metachr0n> heya goodnight
[11:07] <metachr0n> nice talking with you too man
[11:07] <metachr0n> yep i'll be here
[15:02] <coreycb> zul, ddellav: this is for the ocata glance unit tests failures - bug 1649300
[15:02] <zul> coreycb: ack
[15:03] <ddellav> coreycb ah, thank you, i've been looking at that
[15:04] <a8o> any of you guys have ssh connection issues with the latest Ubuntu?  For whatever reason I all my ssh connections time out to anything I connect to crazy fast.
[15:05] <a8o> My older Ubuntu didn't do that.  But this newer one is driving me crazy with SSH.  I spend all day in SSH so it's killing me.  I've tried using mosh but I cna't use that on everything
[15:09] <jamespage> zhhuabj, ok that should be fixed now
[15:10] <jamespage> coreycb, ddellav: hey so we have a minor issue with python-mistralclient in newton and ocata having the same version but not being the same package (my bad)
[15:10] <jamespage> I've fixed that
[15:10] <jamespage> but it did block the PPA -> UCA sync process for a few days
[15:10] <coreycb> jamespage, ok thanks for fixing that up
[15:21] <Pinkamena_D> what is a simple way to test pam authentication?
[15:22] <Pinkamena_D> without ssh?
[15:29] <coreycb> jamespage, think we can upload networking-sfc 3.0.0 to ocata?
[15:29] <jamespage> coreycb, probably :-)
[15:30] <coreycb> jamespage, ok i'll look into it
[16:26] <Teranet> good morning everyone
[16:26] <Teranet> do we have anyone online here which knows JUJU quiet well ?
[16:42] <SipriusPT> hello guys
[16:42] <SipriusPT> i am having an issue with my smart host when tried to forward mail from an outside domain email to another outside domain email
[16:42] <SipriusPT> and i have not figure out
[16:43] <SipriusPT> how can i solve this
[16:43] <SipriusPT> here i have all my logs
[16:43] <SipriusPT> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/unable-to-forward-mail-from-external-account-to-external-account-4175595120/
[16:43] <SipriusPT> i am using postfix and getmail
[16:43] <SipriusPT> anyone?
[16:44] <Teranet> so what does your postfix mail log shows when you send an email ?
[16:49] <SipriusPT> i have all the relevant mail.log entries in that tread over linuxquestions
[16:49] <SipriusPT> if you could see it
[16:49] <SipriusPT> i have there also my main.cf and master.cf
[16:49] <SipriusPT> i have already done tests with aliases and virtual_alias_maps
[16:49] <SipriusPT> Resuming, with alias_maps, i have the right relay but the wrong sender domain (@remote.domainX.pt), with virtual_alias_maps, it uses a wrong relay (localhost) and the right sender (@domainX.pt), as you can see above.
[16:50] <SipriusPT> *as you can see in the thread
[16:50] <SipriusPT> i am cracking my head in this one
[16:51] <Teranet> I am looking at it right now hold on
[16:51] <SipriusPT> ok thanks Teranet
[16:53] <Teranet> I have now idea who did this but : relayhost = [cpanel.ideiasfrescas.pt]:25   should be without the brackets  : relayhost = cpanel.ideiasfrescas.pt:25
[16:53] <Teranet> and now I look further for you
[16:54] <Teranet> also : mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $mydomain, x.pt   remove the , x.pt from it there is now need
[16:55] <SipriusPT> ah yes
[16:55] <Teranet> you already predefind it with $mydomain
[16:55] <SipriusPT> i have it already set as $mydomain
[16:55] <SipriusPT> yes
[16:55] <SipriusPT> and relayhost i have a relayhost per user because of SMTP auth
[16:57] <SipriusPT> i already made the changes
[16:57] <Teranet> also I would do an adjustment at : mynetworks = <IP_ADDRESS>/8, [::1]/128
[16:57] <Teranet> do add at the end your local network with for example : 10.x.v.y/8   or what ever your own network ranges are
[16:58] <Teranet> also the host you forward too it that a static IP or do you not know ?
[17:03] <SipriusPT> cpanel.ideiasfrescas.pt?
[17:03] <SipriusPT> the relayhost?
[17:03] <SipriusPT> i didnt understand
[17:04] <Teranet> Yes remove the brackets from the hostname
[17:04] <Teranet> it's common you write it like this :    relayhost = mail.google.com:25
[17:05] <SipriusPT> done
[17:05] <SipriusPT> but i saw a lot of syntax using brackets
[17:05] <Teranet> ok now : service postfix restart
[17:05] <SipriusPT> but i didnt knew what for
[17:05] <SipriusPT> ok
[17:06] <SipriusPT> done
[17:06] <SipriusPT> should i use virtual_alias_maps or alias_maps?
[17:07] <Teranet> also correct this : #myorigin = $myhostname   and remove the # comment from the front just to be safe
[17:07] <Teranet> let's first focus on the main issue
[17:08] <Teranet> it's at line 93 ish
[17:10] <SipriusPT> done
[17:10] <SipriusPT> let me se
[17:10] <Teranet> Let me know what you now get when you do your test mail
[17:11] <SipriusPT> ok i will postfix reload
[17:11] <SipriusPT> and test with virtual_alias_maps
[17:12] <SipriusPT> sending from gmail account to a local account and then forwarding to another account in my remote mail server from another domain
[17:14] <Teranet> ok
[17:14] <SipriusPT><EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>relay=<IP_ADDRESS>[<IP_ADDRESS>]:10024
[17:15] <SipriusPT> was send internally
[17:15] <SipriusPT> same output
[17:18] <Teranet> ok the first looks ok what it he error line ?
[17:19] <SipriusPT> http://pastebin.com/Df3T3Bf4
[17:20] <SipriusPT> mail.log there when it do the mess
[17:22] <Teranet> your postfix is correct only this is the issue :
[17:22] <Teranet> 550-Verification failed for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>550-No Such User Here 550 Sender verify failed (in reply to RCPT TO command))
[17:22] <Teranet> your authentication fails
[17:22] <SipriusPT> yes
[17:23] <Teranet> so the way you authenticate you might use the wrong methode or like 550 states user not there<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:24] <SipriusPT> yes
[17:24] <SipriusPT> it uses xserver user but that is a local user, not a mail user
[17:24] <SipriusPT> but i dont understand
[17:25] <SipriusPT> : to=<test4domainY.pt>, orig_to=<testremote.domainX.pt>, relay=mail.domainX.pt[94.126.172.X]:587, delay=0.09, delays=0/0.01/0.06/0.02, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host mail.domainX.pt[94.126.172.X] said: 550-Verification failed for <Xserverremote.domainX.pt> 550-No Such User Here 550 Sender verify failed (in reply to RCPT TO command))
[17:25] <SipriusPT> this mail should be send as orig_to
[17:25] <SipriusPT> and it sends as xserver
[17:26] <SipriusPT> i was expecting that postfix would send as orig_to
[17:29] <Teranet> your authentication user is the issue
[17:29] <SipriusPT> yes
[17:30] <SipriusPT> i cannot figure out how can i solve that
[17:30] <SipriusPT> this is a root user
[17:30] <SipriusPT> it would need to be a user with a right domainX.pt
[17:31] <SipriusPT> to let mail pass through
[17:32] <Teranet> let me check
[17:32] <Teranet> have in another channel an issue going on as well hold on
[17:50] <SipriusPT> ok
[17:51] <SipriusPT> thanks a lot for the help Teranet
[17:52] <Teranet> no problem I catch back up with you in a bit I have meeting to lead right now
[17:56] <SipriusPT> ok no problem
[21:05] <pmatulis> mmcc, hi, i'd like to try my luck at conjure-up again. is it at a stage where i can point it at a MAAS containing, say, 4 nodes, and it will build a cloud?
[21:40] <mmcc> hi pmatulis, yes. The supported spell for deploying openstack onto MAAS uses the openstack-base bundle, here: https://jujucharms.com/openstack-base/ , which requires a minimum of 4 nodes in the MAAS. Note that this does not include the MAAS server or the machine that you run conjure-up from (which could be that server if need be)
[21:40] <mmcc> check the readme of that bundle for the hardware requirements for each of the nodes
[21:56] <pmatulis> mmcc, very nice, thanks. will be testing this soon
[22:13] <pmatulis> mmcc, don't you need an extra node for the juju controller?
[22:13] <mmcc> pmatulis: yes, that's right. so five nodes minimum
[22:14] <mmcc> sorry about the confusion there
[22:14] <pmatulis> mmcc, and how can i specify that controller node?
[22:14] <pmatulis> obviously i don't want to have it end up on one of the big ones
[22:14] <mmcc> conjure-up --bootstrap-to hostname.maas
[22:15] <pmatulis> sweet, will try
[22:50] <pmatulis> mmcc, seems it was possible in the past to have conjure use a pre-existing controller. still possible?
[22:50] <pmatulis> i have odd proxy settings needed to create a controller
[22:52] <mmcc> pmatulis: yes, it should show you a list of available controllers after you pick the spell
[22:52] <pmatulis> interesting. but no way to "CLI it"?
[22:53] <mmcc> oh, yeah - 'conjure-up spellname cloundname controllername'
[22:54] <pmatulis> great!
[22:55] <mmcc> pmatulis: actually that won't work with maas unless you specifically add it using 'juju add-cloud'
[22:55] <pmatulis> yeah, i'm gonna have that done
[22:55] <mmcc> on my test system, I have a maas controller but didn't add it as a cloud, so conjure-up doesn't find 'maas' in the list of clouds
[22:55] <mmcc> ok, great
[22:57] <mmcc> pmatulis: I'm only around for a few more minutes this afternoon, but please file any bugs you find at github.com/conjure-up/conjure-up and we'll look at them ASAP
[22:59] <pmatulis> perfect


[04:07]  * greg-g wvaes
[04:07]  * greg-g waves, too
[06:46] <dholbach> good morning
[07:17] <Barzogh> morning :)
[09:10] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:46] <head_victim> Evening all, any loco council people around? Want to fire off a quick question about distributing the CDs approved locos are sent
[10:46] <czajkowski> head_victim: sure
[10:46] <czajkowski> head_victim: what's up ?
[10:47] <head_victim> czajkowski: I've been approached by an online VPS who have thought of an idea to help spread the word of Ubuntu and the Loco. They want to post out a CD and a Loco advertising flyer to the first X number of customers who sign up for a Ubuntu VPS on their services.
[10:47] <head_victim> Is that too commercialised? I'm only contemplating it because there are LOTS of Ubuntu users in the country who don't know about the LoCo and it might be a good in.
[10:48] <head_victim> I was going to send them 50 or so.
[10:48] <czajkowski> it's a way of getting 50 more cds to new people
[10:48] <czajkowski> I don't see too much wrong with it
[10:48] <czajkowski> as long as maybe you could get some of the loco info on the flyer sent out as well
[10:48] <head_victim> Cool, just making sure that going through a third party like that wasn't against any rules I didn't know about.
[10:48] <czajkowski> so they know who to follow up with
[10:49] <czajkowski> head_victim: each team handles giving cds out differently, it's entirely up to ye
[10:49] <head_victim> Oh yeah basically we have team business cards so I was going to get them to put one of each of them in it (or do it for them) with the website and other loco details.
[10:50] <czajkowski> nods
[10:52] <head_victim> Cool so basically as long as we're not selling them and they'll help promote Ubuntu in some way, whatever happens, happens.
[10:57] <czajkowski> soome teams sell them for a small price
[10:57] <czajkowski> to raise funds
[10:57] <czajkowski> again up to ye
[10:57] <czajkowski> but then you deal with who minds the money
[10:57] <czajkowski> bank acs
[10:57] <czajkowski> gets messy imo
[10:58] <head_victim> No worries, sounds like I was being overcautious, but still better than doing something that'll upset.
[10:59] <czajkowski> true
[11:01] <head_victim> As always, thanks heaps for your help
[11:01] <czajkowski> np
[11:02] <czajkowski> anytime
[11:14] <cjohnston> New loco.ubuntu.com released!
[11:22] <head_victim> cjohnston: nice work, it's really taking shape
[11:24] <cjohnston> ty
[11:31] <czajkowski> cjohnston: nice http://loco.ubuntu.com/about-loco/setup/
[11:31] <czajkowski> still takes a bit of navigation to get to it but great that it's there now
[11:31] <czajkowski> thanks
[11:32] <cjohnston> ya.. im really glad its there.. i think we could put text in the about loco page (its parent) that links to it
[11:32] <cjohnston> I would also liek to make like /setup point to it.. easier to type when providing the link
[11:35] <czajkowski> cjohnston: aye in the parent page and in the loco council page so they go there might be an idea
[11:36] <czajkowski> just more ways to find the page I know but I'd rather it be blunt in a persons face then get told they cant find the info
[11:36] <cjohnston> ya
[11:37] <czajkowski> as I think it's a reall clear page and very simple to understand
[11:37] <czajkowski> do this and this and done
[12:45] <mhall119> czajkowski: cjohnston: make a bug to write down all the places we'd like to put it
[12:45] <czajkowski> aye I will do
[19:47] <kingelg_> where can i load up screenshots?
[20:25]  * AlanBell likes being able to easily get back to the team from an event


[07:04] <mvo> hey, good morning! I have one more git question. I see on  https://code.launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/snappy/+git/snappy/+ref/master that there is one proposed merge for master but when I click on https://code.launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/snappy/+git/snappy/+ref/master/+activereviews I get a OOPs - is this a known issue?
[07:50] <cjwatson> mvo: Page not implemented yet, but do please file a bug to remind us
[07:51] <mvo> thanks, will do
[07:53] <cjwatson> mvo: implementing it will distract me from the grim meathook UK political future
[07:54] <mvo> cjwatson: heh :)
[07:54] <mvo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1453020
[07:54] <mvo> cjwatson: AIUI the daily build also does not (yet) support git(?). should I file a bug for this as well?
[07:55] <cjwatson> mvo: Feel free, although that we *do* know about
[07:55] <cjwatson> mvo: Will take longer because recipes are currently implemented using a bzr plugin, so we'll have to reimplement
[07:56] <cjwatson> mvo: Have you switched snappy over completely to git, or is it still experimental?
[07:58] <mvo> cjwatson: still experimental, the blocker for us is tarmac support right now
[08:00] <cjwatson> mvo: Ah, yes, I've been thinking about that myself - have you looked at tarmac at all?
[08:00] <mvo> cjwatson: only briefly, it looks like its relatively isolated in the Branch class, but I only spend ~10min looking at the code so far
[09:38] <StevenK> cjwatson: Surely it can't be as bad as Australia with Tony "I live in the 1940's where coal is the future" Abbott?
[09:38] <cjwatson> StevenK: I'm not sure I want my political benchmark to be "not as bad as Australia"
[09:39] <StevenK> cjwatson: I'm not really across UK politics at the moment, was using Tony Abbott as the example, not saying the UK should aspire to those lofty heights of terribleness. :-)
[09:41] <Spads> as I've mentioned elsewhere, it seems apt that UKIP should fail so much on VE day


[05:50] <lotuspsychje> what is the use for this channel? can one paste a bug in here?
[05:53] <lifeless> its for discussion and mutual support by launchpad.net users
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> lifeless: well i have a bug thats been unsolved for years now, can i paste this in here?
[05:56] <lifeless> if you want
[05:56] <lifeless> if its an ubuntu bug, #ubuntu-bugs may be a better channel for doing that.
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> lifeless:oh tnx for info mate
[08:38] <Daviey> Hey.. https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu seems stuck, wedged.  The Forbidden it reports is not accurate from my local test :/
[08:41] <czajkowski> ah  This branch may be out of date, because Launchpad has not been able to access it since 2012-08-17.
[08:42] <czajkowski> wgrant: how does one prod the branch?
[08:42] <StevenK> I'm not sure where the puller runs, but that machine may not have access to lillypilly, which is probably the first thing to check
[09:04] <czajkowski> jelmer: could you loook into the above please?
[09:06] <jelmer> Daviey: alternatively, you can remove this branch and reregister that mirror which will likely fix this
[09:07] <jelmer> Daviey: this is an old-style bzr branch mirror - a new one would use the code import system, which uses different code and machines
[10:44] <ricotz> wgrant, hello, do you mind resetting/restarting https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ppa/+build/3758126
[10:55] <Daviey> jelmer: Hey, confirmed deleting and re-creating resolved the issue.  Odd that the old system suddenly broke.. Oh well, it's good now. Thanks
[10:59] <wgrant> Daviey: Not really odd. A deprecated, little-used, obscure service broke when a service was moved from one DC and network to another in a few hours :)
[10:59] <wgrant> In this case I suspect squid.internal isn't letting the codehosting server talk to anything.
[11:01] <wgrant> ricotz: This isn't really a viable solution...
[11:04] <jelmer> wgrant: I was hoping to spend some time this maintenance cycle to finally kill off the code mirror system, but alas
[11:04] <wgrant> jelmer: You got most of the way :)
[11:04] <ricotz> wgrant, i know, reducing the size is really not possible currently to make it fit on any builder, the workaround while reducing the language packs is also an option imo
[11:05] <czajkowski> ricotz: why cant the size be reu
[11:05] <czajkowski> ricotz: why cant the size be reduced?
[11:06] <Daviey> wgrant: Maybe i'm old-fashioned, but i find seemingly undeclared deprecated services to remain operational :)
[11:06] <Daviey> find it odd*
[11:06] <ricotz> czajkowski, i guess if it were that easy it would be done already, but i am not that familiar with the internal buildsys
[11:06] <wgrant> Daviey: Sure, but it's not unsurprising that it was missed
[11:07] <wgrant> Daviey: Given just about nobody uses it any more (it's been replaced by imports, and most of the old mirrors have been replaced)
[11:07] <ricotz> wgrant, czajkowski, but please dont cancel it since the i386 is done
[11:09] <ricotz> wgrant, e.g. "king" or "louvi" will work for sure
[11:15] <Daviey> wgrant: yeah.. i'm not even quite sure why we are doing it this way around.. Anyway.. thanks.
[12:19] <ricotz> wgrant, i am not sure if i missed a message while it is seems i got disconnected -- do you dont like to reset the mentioned build?
[12:27] <karni> How do I grab sinzui to talk about product release manager? He seems not to have been around recently (or it's the timezone)
[12:42] <wgrant> karni: He was on leave last week, but should be back today. What's the issue?
[12:44] <karni> wgrant: Cool. Product release finder seems not to work for me. https://launchpad.net/ubuntuone-android-files/trunk -- Release URL pattern is http://people.canonical.com/~karni/android/u1f/u1f-1.*google.apk - and the u1f-1.2.4-google.apk has been there since august 22, but hasn't made it to lp
[12:44] <karni> wgrant: I was trying to set this up for the first time, but either I'm doing something wrong, or it's not catching on.
[12:44] <karni> see: http://people.canonical.com/~karni/android/u1f/
[12:44] <wgrant> Oh, release finder, not release manager :)
[12:45] <karni> wgrant: sorry
[12:46] <wgrant> I'm not quite sure why that wouldn't work
[12:46] <wgrant> I don't know that code as well as sinzui, sadly
[12:46] <wgrant> Be should be around soonish
[12:46] <karni> wgrant: Thank you.
[14:51] <mpt> Huh
[14:51] <mpt> I wasn't expecting "Hide comment" to do that
[14:52] <mpt> not hide it, but make it dark grey
[14:53] <jelmer> mpt: it doesn't actually hide the comment for users who cam modify comment visibility
[14:53] <jelmer> mpt: but it does hide it for the rest of the world
[14:53] <mpt> I see
[14:54] <mpt> I wonder if that could be more obvious
[14:54] <czajkowski> mpt: how more obvious than dark grey ?
[14:55] <mpt> Maybe that does need text, "Other people won't see this comment"
[14:57] <mpt> czajkowski, something like div.boardComment.hidden .boardCommentBody {opacity: 20%}
[14:58] <mpt> i.e. fade it out
[15:00] <czajkowski> mpt: npt sure I know on day one when I tried it as I do it a lot for spam it was very clear to me that nobody else would see it
[15:00] <czajkowski> mpt: if you feel that strong about it file a bug and it'll get looked at
[15:00] <czajkowski> it might be an easy fix
[15:00] <jelmer> mpt: fading it out seems reasonable
[15:10] <mpt> czajkowski, jelmer, ok, reported bug 1045380
[15:15] <jelmer> mpt: thanks
[16:12] <TheLordOfTime> timeouts on certain source package pages: OOPS-f00eb5ead4b58472c250c3751f979d4e
[16:14] <czajkowski> bah the bot has the old url
[16:14] <TheLordOfTime> czajkowski:  i still gave you the OOPS :P
[16:14] <czajkowski> I am looking
[16:14] <czajkowski> on the new one two ticks
[16:14]  * czajkowski kicks the server...
[16:15] <TheLordOfTime> its a timeout, like the dozens of other timeouts i get when accessing certain source packages
[16:15] <TheLordOfTime> and sometimes it randomly times out on the ubuntu project page, but you know, i'm just used to that happening
[16:15] <czajkowski> TheLordOfTime: aye but we do log a bug about them matsubara reviews the oops the next time
[16:16] <TheLordOfTime> if i posted every OOPS i got in a week, the channel would have a page of just my OOPS posts :P
[16:16] <czajkowski> TheLordOfTime: well indeed
[16:31] <ricotz> czajkowski, hello
[16:31] <czajkowski> ricotz: hi
[16:32] <ricotz> czajkowski, sorry for bothering
[16:32] <ricotz> but there is still this build https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ppa/+build/3758126
[16:32] <ricotz> could you please get it restarted without canceling it
[16:33] <czajkowski> ricotz: yes wgrant didnt answer that so I assume yuo couldnt
[16:33] <czajkowski> I just checked back the logs of chat here.
[16:34] <ricotz> czajkowski, i see, but i know it is possible to do
[16:35] <czajkowski> I'm sure wgrant has a good reason not to recommend doing it
[16:35] <czajkowski> he's been around a lot longer than I have ricotz
[16:36] <ricotz> czajkowski, the reason it that this build takes about 25gb+, but there are many builders capable of it
[16:36] <ricotz> but it is kind of a 50:50 chance to get the working one
[16:37] <ricotz> i have 8 working builder in my list and 6 which will fail
[16:37] <czajkowski> ricotz: 12:01 < wgrant> ricotz: This isn't really a viable solution...
[16:38] <czajkowski> ricotz: so again I'll say that if wgrant says it's not a good ideas I'm not as experienced as he is and I'll wait for him to come up wth something else .
[16:39] <ricotz> czajkowski, he is aware of the size problem and probably like the idea of "trying"
[16:39] <ricotz> but leaving the current builder occupied is not what i want
[16:40] <ricotz> so simply resetting it, and giving it free with the chance to get a working builder, is IMO a reasonable step knowing the i386 build already successfully finished
[16:41] <czajkowski> ricotz: right but you suggested that this morning and wgrant said not a viabale solution
[16:42] <ricotz> czajkowski, ok, but my only option here would be to cancel the build and upload another one to get some progress :\
[16:42] <czajkowski> yes as the last time I requested a restart it ended up being canceled
[16:42] <ricotz> and this is what i want to avoid since the i386 is there already
[16:44] <ricotz> czajkowski, ok, but i know it is possible, and has been done several times
[16:44] <czajkowski> I've asked
[16:45] <ricotz> thanks
[16:45] <czajkowski> ricotz: just because it's been done doesn't make it correct either :)
[16:45] <ricotz> czajkowski, i see, but it is a better solution than building i386 again
[16:46] <ricotz> if this works out i have another libreoffice build on a problematic builder (which failed in the past)
[17:01] <czajkowski> ricotz: I've asked and no it's not possible to do as you request
[17:02] <ricotz> czajkowski, alright, thanks


[04:45] <Treenaks> T-00:15:00
[04:57] <mako> Kamion: around?
[04:57] <Kamion> mako: yeah
[04:57] <mako> ok.. lets find elmo and sabdfl
[04:57] <Kamion> oh hell, CC meeting, I'd forgotten
[04:58] <mako> bad time?
[04:58] <Kamion> no, that's ok
[04:58] <Simira> the meeting's now, right?
[04:58] <TheMuso_> For some it is sorta. :)
[04:58] <mako> in a couple minutes
[04:58] <mako> TheMuso_: well, it's *always* a bad time for somebody
[04:59] <mako> anybody seen mark today?
[04:59] <TheMuso_> I don't mind. At least I managed to get some sleep beforehand. :)
[04:59] <mako> should i call?
[04:59] <Kamion> back in a few minutes, getting food
[04:59] <mako> ok.. if mark's not around when kamion returns, i'll give him a call
[04:59] <elmo_> he's in spain and running low on battery
[04:59] <mako> hmm..
[05:00] <mako> well, might be good to take a look over the wiki pages for the new members
[05:00] <elmo_> err, his phone that is - not him personally ;)
[05:00] <mako> ahh, ok :)
[05:00] <mako> i will sms
[05:00] <Mithrandir> somebody could just ship him a crate if so. ;P
[05:01] <sivang> elmo_: mark is in spain? good for him :)
[05:02] <Simira> I wouldn't mind be there myself right now... *freezing*
[05:02] <ajmitch> morning
[05:02] <TheMuso_> It is a really mild night here in Sydney, quite the opposite.
[05:02] <ogra> hmpf
[05:03] <dholbach> ogra: how cold is it at your place in the mornings? still -8?
[05:03] <Simira> ogra: oh, you finally got the 30cm I send you?
[05:03] <ogra> heh
[05:03] <ogra> dholbach: yup, about that
[05:04] <Treenaks> snow? what's that? :P
[05:04] <dholbach> *shudder* :-)
[05:04] <Kamion> back
[05:05] <mako> alright
[05:05] <mako> i have SMSed Mark but don't know if he will show up
[05:05] <mako> i think we should get started since there a number of things to cover
[05:06] <mako> smurfix: are you around?
[05:07] <mako> alright
[05:07] <mako> unless there are any problems i think we should start at the top of the list
[05:07] <mako> reply-to issue for ubuntu-users
[05:08] <Treenaks> what's the issue, exactly?
[05:08] <mako> i'm not completely caught up with on-list traffic but have gotten no negative feedback to ubuntu-users-owner
[05:08] <ogra> there was no reaction at all i think
[05:08] <mako> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/cc-summary-20050125.html
[05:09] <Treenaks> mako: no sudden dip in # of subscribers either?
[05:09] <mako> heh, no
[05:09] <mako> i mean, no negative reaction is better than before
[05:09] <mako> when we had at least a minor flamewar fortnightly
[05:10] <mako> i see no reason to change it from what we have
[05:11] <mako> it seems to be either (a) better or (b) the same in the eyes of most users
[05:11] <mako> so, barring any flood of negative reactions in the future which could prompt a reconsideration, i'm happy to just make it permenant
[05:11] <mako> if that sounds sane to others
[05:11] <Treenaks> sounds OK
[05:12] <mako> elmo_, Kamion: ?
[05:12] <sivang> ++
[05:12] <TheMuso_> Sounds fine. The users would be glad to hear that I am sure.
[05:12] <ogra> me too
[05:12] <elmo_> mako: ok
[05:13] <mako> Mithrandir: i'm less than thrilled with it as well.. but i'm happy that i'm not getting followups to me personally that were supposed to be on the list anymoer :)
[05:13] <mako> it's -users only after all
[05:13] <mako> is there anything else anybody wants to add?
[05:13] <Simira> I think it sound good.
[05:14] <mako> otherwise, lets move on
[05:14] <Kamion> mako: ok
[05:14] <Kamion> I echo what Mithrandir said, but I've said that before :)
[05:15] <mako> smurfix: when you appear you can comment on the loco team leaders
[05:15] <mako> smurfix: or it happen happen after the meeting
[05:16] <mako> if it's alright, i think we should handle the normal business before we do new members
[05:16] <Treenaks> go ahead?
[05:16] <mako> ogra: want to go ahead re the new motu?
[05:16] <TheMuso_> np.
[05:17] <ogra> we have had no second reviewer and since we can do it in the fast process yourselves, i would suggest to approve all of the as membrs now
[05:18] <ogra> we can do the MOTU stuff later then, if we got a new second reviewer
[05:18] <Treenaks> ogra: hm?
[05:18] <mako> ogra: and on the angeda, you suggested treenaks
[05:18] <ogra> i'm pretty fresh myself in packaging, so i think its necessary to have someone experienced aside here....
[05:18] <mako> Treenaks: so, how do you feel about reviewing other people's debs
[05:19] <mako> yeah, that's my concern
[05:19] <ogra> i know treenaks was DD for a while before ....
[05:19] <mako> it will be hard to replace haggai
[05:19] <Treenaks> mako: I'd like that :) I need to pick up packaging again anyway
[05:20] <Treenaks> and I've done some Debian maintaining in the past..
[05:20] <ogra> mako: i really prefer working ooo2 packages ;)
[05:20] <Treenaks> ogra: I'm not going to take over OOo2 packaging :P
[05:20] <mako> Treenaks: right.. but i'm worried about having someone with the ability to really vet packages and maintainers that are coming in on a technical level
[05:20] <ogra> heh
[05:21] <mako> i'm asking if you think you're comfortable in your ability to do so or if you think we should trying to bring in someone else either in addition or in place
[05:21] <Treenaks> mako: well, I did pass the Debian P&P
[05:22] <Kamion> you mean tasks and skills?
[05:22] <Treenaks> Kamion: uh T&S, yes
[05:22] <mako> Treenaks: i'm worried more about tasks and skills
[05:22] <mako> and i see a difference between being comfortable in ability and skills and being able to successfully convince someone by answering questions :)
[05:22] <Treenaks> mako: I can imagine that :)
[05:22] <mako> when i passed NM, i don't think i was a level where i'd want me to have this role alone :)
[05:22] <Treenaks> mako: uh, how do I convince people? :)
[05:23] <mako> Treenaks: i'm just asking you if You are comfortable
[05:23] <Treenaks> mako: I am
[05:23] <elmo_> Treenaks: big sticks usually help
[05:23] <ogra> mako: the reviewing is mostly done in a group, so there are enough eyes to help ....
[05:23] <Treenaks> I've packages lots of stuff internally for my previous job
[05:23] <mako> alright.. :)
[05:24] <mako> is there anyone else that is interested in taking on some responsiblities as part of the MOTU group?
[05:24] <mako> (packaging ninjas encouraged to apply)
[05:24] <crimsun> mako: we peer-review
[05:24] <ogra> dholbach is our current packaging ninja ;)
[05:24] <TheMuso_> I guess so. The accessibility stuff for one.
[05:24] <dholbach> ogra: thanks for the flowers :-)
[05:25] <mako> TheMuso_: this is more for vetting new universe maintainers than for working on any sub-part
[05:25] <TheMuso_> Righto.
[05:25] <mako> crimsun: ok. that's good
[05:25] <ogra> dholbach: you do an awesome job.... so its deserved ;)
[05:25] <Mithrandir> mako: I guess full maintainers don't have to wave their hands?  I do amd64 stuff in both universe and main already.
[05:26] <mako> Mithrandir: if you're volunteering to help approve new universe maintainers.. :)
[05:26] <dholbach> mako: i already did a heap of package reviews, although i'm not a DD or a packaging black belt ninja :-)
[05:26] <dholbach> mako: if you talk about that part of responsibilities :-)
[05:26] <mako> Mithrandir: nobody is going to say no
[05:26] <Mithrandir> mako: I can approve anybody who wants to help out with amd64^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^Wnew subjects. :)
[05:27] <ogra> heh
[05:27] <Mithrandir> mako: I would need to get more familiar with the process first.
[05:27] <mako> Kamion, elmo_: any objections to treenaks?
[05:27] <Mithrandir> since I've only followed our members/MOTU/* stuff cursory.
[05:27] <mako> Kamion, elmo_: as a MOTU approver
[05:28] <Kamion> Treenaks is fine, I think he's one of the names I suggested when ogra asked me about this
[05:28] <mako> perfect
[05:29] <Kamion> I don't see why Mithrandir couldn't help out significantly too
[05:29] <ogra> Mithrandir: you dont need to know the process to review packages....
[05:30] <mako> well barring an objection from elmo, i think you're good to go Treenaks
[05:30] <elmo_> i'm fine with either treenaks and/or mithrandir
[05:30] <ogra> its just judging the quality.... (a bit of a elmo clone )
[05:30] <Treenaks> mako: OK, thanks
[05:30] <Mithrandir> ogra: if it's just package review, I can help out.
[05:30] <Mithrandir> ogra: I'm harsh when it comes to quality, though. :)
[05:30] <ogra> great !
[05:31] <ogra> :)
[05:31] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: that's ok :)
[05:31] <mako> Mithrandir: thanks, that's great
[05:31] <mako> alright then
[05:31] <mako> in terms of the website review/remake.. jdub is the one who can comment on that
[05:31] <mako> although i know there should be announcement Real Soon Now
[05:31] <mako> unless he shows up, i'm not sure what more there is to say
[05:32] <mako> which brings us to.. candidates for membership
[05:32] <mako> there are pages linked from the wiki
[05:32] <hno73> Well, anyone with wishes or ideas for the website can email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:32] <mako> i went through and looked them over already but it's worth doing this
[05:32] <mako> as we
[05:33] <mako> hno73: cool, are you handling this now?
[05:33] <hno73> mako: Yes, for better or worse :)
[05:34] <hno73> I'm sure once I start making drastic changes I'll get some feedback :)
[05:34] <mako> hno73: i won't comment on which i suspect it is ;) thanks for handling it though!
[05:35] <hno73> Heh. I've been keeping busy with this site: http://www.theopencd.org/
[05:36] <hno73> Not as complex as the Ubuntu one though
[05:36] <mako> alright.. so lets start looking at new members
[05:36] <mako> scott ritchie
[05:36] <mako> ogra: isn't scott around a universe maintainer and a member?
[05:36] <ogra> he is the guy that repackaged wine....
[05:36] <mako> right
[05:36] <mako> i don't have a signed CoC but..
[05:36] <ogra> i havent seen any other packages yet...so only for member for now
[05:37] <mako> well i've seen scotts work and i'm happy approving him
[05:37] <mako> elmo_, Kamion: ?
[05:37] <elmo_> no objections, don't enough to comment any more than that
[05:40] <mako> it would be good to get some confirmation from kamion
[05:40] <Kamion> Scott's the wine guy, I'm happy for universe at least
[05:40] <mako> well, this isn't for maintainershp, just for membership
[05:40] <Kamion> absolutely
[05:40] <mako> any decision about universe stuff can be made by teh motu team
[05:40] <mako> awesome
[05:40] <mako> lets move on
[05:40] <mako> scott ritchie = member
[05:41] <ogra> next is wasabi...
[05:41] <mako> Jerry Haltom/wasabi
[05:41] <ogra> (jery haltom)
[05:41] <mako> i've seen wasabi around but am not too familiar with his contributions
[05:41] <ogra> he has already contributed packages....
[05:41] <mako> ogra:
[05:41] <elmo_> mako: for what?
[05:41] <jbailey> I've been working with him.
[05:41] <jbailey> (wasabi)
[05:41] <mako> membership.. just membership
[05:41] <ogra> ecj-bootstrap
[05:41] <elmo_> fine by me for membership
[05:42] <mako> jbailey, ogra: you'll vouch for the contributions?
[05:42] <ogra> yup
[05:42] <mako> then it's fine by me
[05:42] <jbailey> mako: Yup.
[05:42] <mako> Kamion: wasabi? sound good?
[05:42] <mako> next is Mattias Eriksson
[05:43] <mako> nick:snaggen
[05:43] <Kamion> wasabi++ for membership
[05:43] <mako> small set of packages online here: http://www.acc.umu.se/~snaggen/ubuntu/
[05:43] <ogra> havent looked yet
[05:43] <mako> wasabi = member
[05:43] <ogra> btw, who cares for the Members list
[05:44] <ogra> ?
[05:44] <mako> i haven't looked at them either but have seen snaggen around
[05:44] <Kamion> snaggen needs to give those packages an Ubuntu-specific version number or denote his changes somehow; they seem to be modified versions of somebody else's packages
[05:44] <mako> ogra: i have a list of signed coc's.. it's not entirely complete
[05:44] <crimsun> ogra: aren't we supposed to? ;)
[05:44] <Kamion> so it's hard to tell how much he's done
[05:44] <Kamion> especially since it's natively packaged rather than .diff.gz
[05:44] <mako> ogra: it doesn't have all the canonical people .. and i haven't gotten signed coc's from most of them
[05:44] <ogra> crimsun: for MOTU i'm happy to do it...but i dont know all the members out there
[05:45] <crimsun> ogra: gotcha.
[05:45] <ogra> Kamion: i'll contact him
[05:46] <mako> see if we can the packages cleaned up and into the archive
[05:46] <ogra> yup
[05:46] <mako> i don't suspect it will be a problem :)
[05:46] <Kamion> ogra: (I've left a note on his wiki page)
[05:46] <ogra> ah, great
[05:47] <mako> Kamion, elmo_: any objection to deferring the decision irt snaggen until next week/meeting?
[05:47] <elmo_> mako: no, sounds like a plan to me
[05:47] <mako> AaronLake
[05:47] <Kamion> yeah, his blog said he installed Ubuntu on 23 Jan, seems kind of soon :)
[05:47] <mako> metalikop
[05:47] <ogra> he helped a lot already...
[05:47] <ogra> on the pythin transition
[05:47] <ogra> s/i/o
[05:47] <mako> excellent
[05:48] <dholbach> yes... i uploaded 2 or 3 of his python packages
[05:48] <Kamion> it would be helpful if metalikop would put his contributions on that wiki pgae
[05:48] <Kamion> page
[05:48] <mako> there is very little there
[05:48] <Kamion> the PHP5 thing seems to be there by accident, judging from the history
[05:48] <Kamion> http://www.metallikop.com/blog/index.php?p=50 has some packages
[05:48] <ogra> Kamion: it is on the python transition page
[05:49] <dholbach> they are mentioned here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePythonTransitionTODO
[05:49] <dholbach> (quite at the end)
[05:49] <Kamion> but only links to binaries, and the directory gives 403
[05:50] <mako> Kamion: what is your feeling.. ask for a more threshed out page? with contributions?
[05:50] <ogra> lok at imgsizer, cfv, duplicity and gnome-mud in universe
[05:50] <ogra> look even
[05:51] <dholbach> he has them hosted at: http://ubuntu.arslinux.com/hoary/uploaded-to-hoary/
[05:51] <crimsun> I've helped him with package reviews; he's definitely prime for membership imo
[05:52] <Kamion> ok, based on recommendations I'm ok with him for membership, but I'd like him to produce a more fleshed out page before maintainership/MOTU
[05:52] <mako> crimsun, ogra, dholbach: alright.. i'm willing to take your recommendations
[05:52] <elmo_> yeah, me too
[05:52] <mako> great
[05:52] <elmo_> (god we're all so easy)
[05:52] <ogra> heh
[05:52] <dholbach> hehe
[05:52] <mako> LukeYelavich
[05:52] <mako> metalikop = member
[05:53] <mako> luke is TheMuso_, yes?
[05:53] <ogra> havent seen any packages, but he did a reasonable liveCD contribution according to the ML
[05:53] <TheMuso_> mako: That is me, yes.
[05:54] <mako> TheMuso_: the wiki pages should include information on the contributions to the community you have already done as well as stuff you are interetsed in working on
[05:54] <mako> i guess some of that is there
[05:54] <mako> TheMuso_: want to give us the executive summary?
[05:54] <mako> accessiblity documentation?
[05:54] <mako> ahh.. i remember this thread
[05:55] <sivang> TheMuso_: you can use this page as a template http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SivanGreen :-)
[05:55] <Kamion> I haven't looked at the accessible live CD yet, but if it does what it says on the tin it's definitely a major contribution
[05:55] <TheMuso_> Ok. In the accessibility team area of the wiki, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AccessibilityTeam I have recently created some pages where GNOME apps could be listed as being accessible or otherwise, and also created a page on the Live CD work I am currently doing. This work is also known upstream with the Gnome accessibility devleopers.
[05:58] <ogra> mako++
[05:58] <Kamion> oh, in case it wasn't obvious, my comment above was a vote in favour
[05:58] <TheMuso_> Kamion: The live CD was available on a torrent, however it is currenlty not up atm, and I am not at that box either.
[05:58] <mako> elmo_: ?
[05:58] <mako> NiallSheridan is up next
[05:59] <ogra> dredg
[05:59] <mako> ogra: alright
[05:59] <mako> also done some python stuff, no?
[05:59] <ogra> has helped on the python transition
[05:59] <mako> right, i caught that earlier..
[05:59] <ogra> his mbot package is in universe
[06:00] <mako> and has a little repo of packages online
[06:00] <ogra> yup
[06:00] <dholbach> i already uploaded mbot for him, although his NEW packages unfortunately always clashed with other peoples plans :-)
[06:00] <mako> ogra, dholbach: what are you feelings?
[06:00] <ogra> thubs up from here
[06:00] <dholbach> i'd be happy to have him in the MOTU crew :-)
[06:00] <ogra> thumbs even
[06:01] <mako> dholbach: well, bring taht one up with ogra and Treenaks  :)
[06:01] <dholbach> mako: yes... of course
[06:01] <elmo_> mako: I'm okay with it if you two are
[06:01] <crimsun> he's good for membership imo
[06:01] <ogra> so lets make him a member :)
[06:01] <mako> i've seen some of the pythno work
[06:01] <mako> Kamion, elmo_: almost done
[06:02] <mako> Kamion, elmo_: feelings about dredg?
[06:02] <Kamion> sorry, catching up, one sec
[06:02] <dredg> sorry, work kind of got in the way there
[06:02] <Kamion> the wiki pages need to have a more useful <title> than "Ubuntu - wikipage", damnit
[06:02] <dholbach> Kamion++
[06:02] <ogra> Kamion+++
[06:02] <TheMuso_> Agreed. :)
[06:02] <dholbach> hehe :-)
[06:03] <Kamion> dredg: could we have source packages in http://niall.frogstomp.com/ubuntu/, please? hard to tell much from just .debs
[06:03] <dredg> Kamion: yes, of course. that's due for a bit of an overhaul
[06:03] <dredg> Kamion: there are some things in /wip
[06:04] <dholbach> well and: http://niall.frogstomp.com/python/mbot/
[06:04] <sivang> Kamion++
[06:05] <Mithrandir> (at least his karma :)
[06:05] <dholbach> mbot is in universe
[06:06] <dholbach> i reviewed and uploaded it
[06:06] <ogra> i've seen that one too and it was ok...
[06:07] <Kamion> I'm ok with dredg
[06:07] <dholbach> woohoo
[06:07] <ogra> fine
[06:08] <mako> cool
[06:08] <mako> still waiting on elmo for the last two
[06:08] <mako> on more member candidate:
[06:08] <mako> JaniMonoses
[06:08] <ogra> has worked on pythoncad
[06:08] <dholbach> jani also did some python transition work
[06:08] <elmo_> mako: eh? two?  anyway, ok with dredg
[06:08] <ogra> which is uploaded for him in universe
[06:08] <mako> elmo_: oh never mind.. missed your last message i guess :)
[06:08] <dholbach> i have two packages which just need minor changes to pass
[06:09] <mako> dredg = member
[06:09] <dholbach> well... two packages of  jani
[06:09] <mako> jani: you around?
[06:10] <jani> here
[06:10] <mako> want to give us the summary of your contributions to ubuntu so far?
[06:10] <jani> one package uploaded by dholbach as part of pythontransition
[06:10] <jani> two more pending review
[06:10] <Kamion> jani: (the text-based bullet point syntax you've used in the rake.1 man page isn't particularly great for man pages, BTW; might want to read groff_man(7) for how to do lists)
[06:11] <jani> one package unrelated to python, new not in debian yet
[06:11] <jani> Kamion: it was either what dh_make generated
[06:11] <Kamion> well, I say "lists", really indents is all you get in -man, -mdoc's better at that
[06:11] <Kamion> jani: no, I'm referring to the text you pasted in, it needs to be reformatted for use in a man pages
[06:11] <Kamion> pages
[06:11] <Kamion> AARGH page
[06:11] <jani> or what I copied form man ls(1)
[06:12] <jani> Ok was my first manpage :)
[06:12] <dholbach> i'm very comfortable with him nevertheless
[06:12] <Kamion> you need to look at the source, not the output :)
[06:12] <ogra> he was very helpful already in the python transition...
[06:12] <jani> kamion, yep man ls(1) viewed with vim
[06:12] <Kamion> anyway, I'm ok with jani
[06:13] <jani> I copied from the osurce
[06:13] <Kamion> jani: let's talk about it separately from the meeting
[06:14] <mako> elmo_: ?
[06:14] <mako> so.. with that out of the way
[06:14] <mako> smurfix: still not around?
[06:14] <mako> is there anyfurther business for the CC?
[06:15] <mako> going once
[06:15] <sivang> ogra: would you be happy with me as a MOTU? I've only worked on the gnome-system-tools and system-tools-backends pkgs
[06:15] <Simira> is it possible to get the ubuntu-no mailing list open without LoCo up and running?
[06:15] <mako> sivang: lets handle this after teh meeting
[06:15] <sivang> mako: sure
[06:15] <mako> (or in another channel)
[06:16] <Simira> (I've bugged both smurfix and jdub about it, and did send a mail to Jeff as I was told)
[06:16] <mako> Simira: i think the two should go hand-in-hand
[06:16] <Simira> mako: ok
[06:16] <mako> Simira: but i don't see that as a problem.. many loco's are little more than their list and a wiki
[06:16] <Simira> mako: so I'll have to wait for the next cc then?
[06:16] <mako> Simira: not at all
[06:16] <mako> Simira: smurfix can approve you as a loco leader and just tell us about it
[06:16] <Mithrandir> Simira: I could just make<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or something :)
[06:17] <mako> Simira: it can happen latter today
[06:17] <mako> and jdub is the person who can make the lists
[06:17] <Mithrandir><EMAIL_ADDRESS>for those who doesn't do Norwegian)
[06:17] <Simira> Mithrandir: rather translation or oversettelse would be nice
[06:17] <mako> Simira: sound good?
[06:17] <Simira> mako: I did both talk to him on IRC and mail him. But that's ok.
[06:17] <Simira> mako: good
[06:17] <mako> Simira: i think it's a formality at this point. :)
[06:17] <mako> any other business?
[06:18] <Simira> mako: I suppose :)
[06:19] <mako> alright then
[06:19] <mako> Kamion, elmo_: any objections to the same time in two weeks?
[06:20] <Kamion> this time works well for me, although I've noticed smurfix doesn't tend to be able to make this time which is a bit inconvenient
[06:21] <dholbach> jani would still need an ACK of elmo_ i guess?
[06:21] <mako> dredg: yeah.. we'll get to it
[06:21] <mako> Kamion: right, but smurfix is also not here to tell us what time he could make :)
[06:22] <mako> alright, then.. lets say 1600 on the 8th
[06:23] <mako> perhaps a bad time
[06:23] <dredg> mako: hmm?
[06:23] <ogra> oh, yes, we're still missing elmos vote for jani
[06:24] <ogra> (or against ?)
[06:24] <mako> no.. nevermind.. it seems to be a fine time
[06:24] <mako> alright
[06:24] <mako> thanks everybody for showing up!
[06:24] <mako> i'll post a summary
[06:24] <TheMuso_> Welcome.
[06:24] <ogra> mako: jani ?
[06:31] <sivang> thanks all, laterz.
[06:31] <mako> ogra: what abut jani?
[06:31] <ogra> mako: member or not ?
[06:32] <ogra> mako: elmo didnt answer your last question.....and you moved on to loco
[06:35] <mako> ogra: still waiting for elmo. but probably yes
[06:35] <ogra> just thought you missed it :)
[06:47] <elmo_> sorry, had to deal with some people at DC
[06:47] <elmo_> ok with jani, if I'm not too late
[06:56] <metalikop> hi all
[06:56] <dholbach> metalikop: you've been made a member
[06:56] <metalikop> !  Thank you very much.
[06:56] <dholbach> you'll have to read  http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-current.html , i fear
[06:57] <jani> thanks all
[06:57] <jani> bye
[07:02] <dholbach> bye
[07:44] <mako> elyou're not too late
[07:44] <mako> metalikop: if you wait for a bit, there will be a summary
[07:46] <ogra> mako: http://www.livejournal.com/users/lifeguardasleep/21211.html
[07:48] <mako> nice! :)
[07:48] <mako> ogra: who is lifeguardasleep?
[07:48] <ogra> yup :)
[07:48] <ogra> dholbach
[07:48] <mako> ahh, nice :)
[07:49] <ajmitch> ogra: btw who was chosen to approve new MOTUs & review packages?
[07:49] <ajmitch> Mithrandir?
[07:49] <ogra> and Treenaks
[07:49] <ajmitch> ok
[07:49] <ogra> so we have a fallback if one is missing.... which is a great thing
[07:50] <ajmitch> yep
[08:12] <smurfix> Bah. Last time I was on vacation with a broken hard disk this time I had to fix my uncle's box .. with a broken harddisk. :-/
[08:14] <zul> so suck up to those two :)
[09:20] <smurfix> just for the record, the meeting time is OK for me


[19:58] <neurochrome> also, why did canonical remove jockey?  It was super easy and user friendly!  I love the terminal, but having to install nvidia drivers from the terminal, instead of using jockey is not a step forward in terms of usability!  "Linux for human beings" seems to have gone out the window
[19:58] <Ben64> neurochrome: there still is a nice friendly way to install it
[19:58] <auronandace> neurochrome: the additional drivers gui is still there
[19:59] <neurochrome> whereabouts?
[19:59] <neurochrome> oh
[19:59] <neurochrome> derp
[19:59] <neurochrome> I'll get my coat ;)
[19:59] <neurochrome> I've been stuck on 12.04 for quite a while... i feel lost
[19:59] <neurochrome> no synapse either :(
[20:00] <auronandace> neurochrome: synapse?
[20:00] <neurochrome> it's like quicksilver
[20:00] <neurochrome> gnome-do, etc
[20:01] <neurochrome> anyhow, i can't seem to see any way of setting the app name to show in full when the global menu is in use.  I hate the way it fades out and cuts off
[20:02] <neurochrome> I've been waiting for "always on" global menus for over 3 years though, so it's nice to see that make a show
[20:02] <auronandace> neurochrome: you're using gnome-shell?
[20:03] <neurochrome> no, unity
[20:03] <auronandace> neurochrome: there is the unity-tweak-tool in the repo
[20:04] <neurochrome> I'm actually trying out ubuntu again after leaving the flock many years ago.  I need decent scaling for my new 4k monitor and unity seems like a good option
[20:04] <neurochrome> I've been using pantheon and elementaryos for a long time now
[20:04] <neurochrome> auronandace, does that have this option?
[20:04] <neurochrome> to display the full app name
[20:04] <neurochrome> ?
[20:05] <auronandace> neurochrome: it has many options, i've only required it to add more workspaces
[20:05] <neurochrome> thanks, I'll give it a whirl and see what it offers
[20:09] <FuSeS_> sup l adies
[20:09] <FuSeS_> ladies*
[20:12] <FuSeS_> anyone alive?
[20:13] <Finale> aye
[20:13] <FuSeS_> :)
[20:13] <FuSeS_> good place to start learning c++?
[20:14] <FuSeS_> for a beginner
[20:14] <Finale> is it like "is this a good place?" or "what is a good place?" ? :)
[20:16] <FuSeS_> more like a good place to start learning
[20:16] <FuSeS_> figured id join a chat and ask the cumminty and also search on my own
[20:16] <auronandace> !alis | FuSeS_
[20:17] <kalafior> hello
[20:17] <FuSeS_> community*
[20:18] <OerHeks> FuSeS_, try ##c++ or ##c++basic or ##c++help
[20:19] <FuSeS_> Thanks will do!
[20:25] <jreezy> hey, i'm trying to start a jack server, and i'm getting DBus exception: org.jackaudio.Error.Generic: Failed to open server,  any ideas?
[20:27] <humberto121> hola
[20:28] <pbx> jreezy, they don't seem to have an irc channel but they do have mailing lists: https://github.com/jackaudio/jackaudio.github.com/wiki/MailingLists
[20:29] <wakeatnight> hi i run a mainline kernel
[20:29] <wakeatnight> ubuntu software update wants to update the old 3.19
[20:29] <k1l_> remove linux-generic then
[20:29] <wakeatnight> if i do that, will i have to set the mainline as default for grub again?
[20:30] <jreezy> ok thanks @pbx
[20:30] <wakeatnight> how do you mean k1l_ ?
[20:30] <k1l_> if you run another kernel anyway remove the meta package that installs the original kernel
[20:31] <neoaf> http://packages.ubuntu.com/wily/libmarblewidget-qt5-22 is it available on ubuntu 14.04
[20:32] <neoaf> I do apt-get install libmarblewidget-qt5-22, it can't find it
[20:32] <neoaf> (I did apt-get update before)
[20:32] <k1l_> neoaf: no
[20:32] <neoaf> kll_ I type marble-qt on terminal, it outputs "marble-qt: error while loading shared libraries: libmarblewidget-qt5.so.22: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[20:32] <neoaf> how do I get that library
[20:35] <echostar777> does anyone know how to fix an audio issue im having?
[20:35] <k1l_> neoaf: hmm. is that marble from a ppa or 3rd party package?
[20:35] <auronandace> echostar777: only way to find out is describe your issue
[20:35] <neoaf> I don't know, nobody replies at #marble
[20:36] <neoaf> can I install that package on 14.04?
[20:36] <neoaf> if I use dpkg -i .deb?
[20:36] <k1l_> neoaf: did you install a ppa or 3rd party package?
[20:36] <k1l_> neoaf: that sounds like you used a 15.04 or 15.10 package, right?
[20:37] <echostar777> alright so my problem is starting from the sound card. for some odd reason its not showing up at all.
[20:37] <neoaf> it says wily, I don't know what version it is
[20:37] <OerHeks> neoaf, according to this page, http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/trusty/marble  this 'marble' uses libmarblewidget18
[20:37] <OerHeks> no QT5
[20:38] <neoaf> I don't know my it complains about qt5-22. I installed 18 pne
[20:38] <k1l_> neoaf: well, you cant mix the packages. like 15.04 uses kde5.
[20:39] <k1l_> neoaf: wily is 15.10
[20:39] <auronandace> neoaf: you'll very likely run into dependencyissues that way
[20:39] <auronandace> neoaf: that is why package managers and repos exist
[20:39] <k1l_> neoaf: so you installed a wrong package (even a beta package) onto the 14.04.
[20:39] <neoaf> I checked that I have all dependt packages
[20:40] <k1l_> neoaf: no you dont.
[20:41] <echostar777> im having issues with my sound. ubuntu studio isnt seeing my 1.4 internal realtek sound card.
[20:42] <auronandace> !sound | echostar777
[20:42] <root_explorer> what up
[20:43] <neoaf> yes it gets dependcy problem
[20:43] <echostar777> auronandace can you assist?
[20:43] <auronandace> echostar777: not sure what's up with ubottu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[20:43] <k1l_> neoaf: ok: dont install 15.10 packages into 14.04. then you dont have depency problems
[20:44] <neoaf> I follow the instructions on https://marble.kde.org/sources.php at two PC that has 14.04
[20:44] <neoaf> one works fine, the other one gets libmarblewidget-qt5.so.22: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory error
[20:45] <neoaf> hmm actually it has 15.04
[20:45] <neoaf> how can I upgrade 14.04 to 15.04?
[20:46] <OerHeks> neoaf, if you really want to upgrade 14.04 > 14.10 (EOL) >  15.04, you will need the old-releases trick. see !eolupgrade
[20:46] <OerHeks> !eolupgrade
[20:47] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[20:47] <k1l_> neoaf: better ask in #kubuntu since they know better about the kde stuff
[20:49] <neoaf> ahh I will just prepare a usb stick and install
[20:49] <neoaf> 15
[20:50] <bprompt> hmm
[20:50] <bprompt> neoaf:     dunno, I do run marble, but I'm on 12.04, runs fine here, dunno on 14.04 issues though
[20:52] <dupolas_> i think i screwed up my package manager when trying to install boost.... any help appreciated.. this is what I get back now: http://paste.linux.chat/view/5c568a41
[20:54] <Gibranvl> I can't to install my wireless drivers RT5390 RALINK in my ubuntu 14.04
[20:56] <k1l_> bprompt: he installed some 3rd party packge which cant resolve the depencies because its not a ubuntu one
[20:56] <bprompt> I see
[20:56] <k1l_> dupolas_: lsb_release -d gives you what?
[20:58] <dupolas_> k1l_: Description:	Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS
[20:58] <OerHeks> dupolas_, current is 1.48 > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+package/libboost-dev
[20:59] <k1l_> that PPA is interfering there
[21:00] <dupolas_> k1l_ / OerHeks: anything I can do about that (ubuntu still not native to me :) )
[21:01] <k1l_> dupolas_: i suggest you get rid of that PPA with ppa-purge and start with using the official ubuntu version
[21:01] <k1l_> !ppapurge | dupolas_
[21:02] <k1l_> sudo ppa-purge ppa:boost-latest/ppa
[21:04] <Qemu> Hey, I was wondering how much of an effor it would be to remove a network driver and replace it with one from the manufacturerer with the caveat that it does not support the linux kernel above 3.6? or is that not even possible.
[21:05] <dupolas_> k1l_: I think I am screwed, cause I can't get to apt-get install ppa-purge, see http://paste.ubuntu.com/12699433/
[21:06] <dupolas_> (back in a sec)
[21:18] <kuindios> good, to install programs without using "terminal"  I recommend an application? Ubuntu 14.04
[21:18] <dupolas_> (yes back)
[21:18] <OerHeks> kuindios, softwarecenter, or install synaptic
[21:20] <OerHeks> softwarecenter = that orange bag with a white A on it, on your panel
[21:20] <kuindios> OerHeks: Double-click an application
[21:20] <OerHeks> kuindios, ?
[21:21] <kuindios> example: seek.run applications
[21:21] <dupolas_> k1l_: how did you know btw the ppa:boost-latest/ppa ?
[21:22] <roggo> how do you run a .run file?
[21:22] <kuindios> to install programs without using "terminal"  I recommend an application? Double-click an application
[21:22] <k1l_> dupolas_: i looked up which ppa includes that specific pacakge
[21:22] <OerHeks> kuindios, the Ubuntu way is apt://<packagename>
[21:23] <dupolas_> k1l_ : aha... I see... any idea how to get ppa-purge installed with apt-get install throwing errors at me?
[21:23] <k1l_> dupolas_: well. you could try "sudo apt-get -f install"
[21:24] <kuindios> I want to install any application just double click
[21:25] <OerHeks> kuindios, use softwarecenter :-)
[21:25] <dupolas_> k1l_: that gives me http://paste.ubuntu.com/12699527/
[21:25] <k1l_> kuindios: can you give more informations?
[21:25] <roggo> i installed a newer version of qt, how do i change the version that is used if you write qtcreator in the shell?
[21:26] <wileee> kuindios, apt has it's advantages, when you install you see what is actually going on including dependencies, and when it is over, a bit more in some ways.
[21:26] <k1l_> dupolas_: sudo apt-get remove libboost
[21:27] <roggo> how do I uninstall qt?
[21:27] <roggo> if i installed it with apt-get
[21:27] <dupolas_> k1l_: seems I have a serious dependency issue going on :( http://paste.ubuntu.com/12699541/
[21:28] <k1l_> roggo: sudo apt-get remove -package-
[21:29] <dontgo2sleep> hello everybody
[21:29] <kuindios> as installed ".sh" unused terminal
[21:30] <zykotick9> roggo: fyi, to remove config files as well "sudo apt-get purge foo"
[21:30] <kalafior> dupolas, sudo apt-get remove --purge package_name
[21:30] <zykotick9> kalafior: save some typing, see my suggestion above ;)
[21:31] <Guest5637> who's going to be the first to get ubuntu running on the new ms surface?
[21:31] <dupolas_> kalafior: that still gives me the unmet dependencies list :(
[21:31] <aotea> Heya! So, friend tasked me in making a package out of some binaries, dpkg --build did it's jazz and I didn't get any errors. Ran "apt-get install -f" followed by install the recently made .deb file. How do I find where the program installed to and how do I now run it :P?
[21:32] <wileee> Guest5637, might be #ubuntu-offtopic issue, here is support.
[21:32] <k1l_> dupolas_: "ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d"
[21:32] <dupolas_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12699567/
[21:32] <skwishy> ok, so I want to buy a new ms surface, and run ubuntu, anyone got any tips abut where to start?
[21:33] <wileee> aotea, name the install and what you did the best you can to the channel.
[21:33] <echostar777_> a tip for you, good luck.
[21:33] <wileee> skwishy, Look online the models that run linux/ubuntu first.
[21:34] <wileee> or will run that is
[21:34] <Amber__> Guys, do you know how I can install an AverTV Volar S on Ubuntu?
[21:34] <k1l_> dupolas_: ok, use the system-settings, software and updates, 2nd tab, to disable the boost ppa.
[21:34] <bprompt> aotea:    did you say it made a .deb?
[21:35] <bprompt> aotea:   if you have a .deb from the compiled package, you could just do a -> dpkg -c FILENAME.deb <-- to see what files and where it installed
[21:36] <dupolas_> k1l_: terminal alternative available for that too maybe? (have to dig for some mouse/keyboards to get to my nuc and tv :) )
[21:37] <wileee> skwishy, If you find the model you need, get it and have problems we will help. We will see websites needing any special install instructs if there mis no load and run available.
[21:37] <k1l_> dupolas_: erm wait, i cant remember if that is the right way for 12.04. if not use a "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list.d/boost-latest-ppa-precise.list" and make a # in front of the repo there. then ctrl+o, ctrl+x
[21:37] <echostar777_> just filed a bug report on the no audio issue. is their anything else i can do to fix the no audio driver issue or do i just wait for the developers to fix it?
[21:37] <wileee> is*
[21:37] <k1l_> dupolas_: after that: sudo apt-get update&& sudo apt-get autoremove
[21:38] <aotea> bprompt: Yes it made a .deb. And I ran apt-get to install it using "apt-get install -f" and "apt-get install myprog"
[21:38] <dupolas_> k1l_ gonna try tnx
[21:38] <bprompt> aotea:   k, then  just do a "dpkg -c" on it then
[21:40] <aotea> bprompt: don't think it does, that only displays the file tree I used to create the darn thing :P
[21:41] <aotea> bprompt: http://pastie.org/10464924
[21:41] <aotea> bprompt: Made .sh of how I made the .deb if that matters, the rest I already told you
[21:43] <dupolas_> k1l_: unfortunately http://paste.ubuntu.com/12699618/
[21:43] <TJ-> aotea: installing a package.deb file requires "dpkg -i package.deb". "apt-get install" will install from the repositories listed in the apt sources.list
[21:43] <k1l_> dupolas_: sudo apt-get purge libboost1.55-tools-dev
[21:44] <aotea> TJ-: ok sorry, I forgot to mention that part, but yes that happened before the apt-gets
[21:44] <TJ-> aotea: "apt-cache policy package" will tell which versions are installed/available
[21:44] <bprompt> aotea:   hmmm dpkg -c works for me :/
[21:44] <TJ-> aotea: Then "dpkg -L package" will list the installed files
[21:45] <dupolas_> k1l_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12699635/
[21:46] <TJ-> aotea: your shell script doesn't appear to create "debian/changelog" (which contains the version info)
[21:48] <aotea> TJ-: can it be that I failed at .deb format, my .deb is got some capital letters in it. Just remember the 'guide' telling me .deb usually keeps it lowercase all the way
[21:49] <TJ-> aotea: I'd think a missing debian/changelog is going to cause some issues because the version declared there is used in building and naming the .deb file
[21:50] <aotea> TJ-: Seeing as when I try running "dpkg -L Package" I get "package is not installed". Wouldn't that have thrown me errors when trying to build?
[21:51] <TJ-> aotea: "dpkg-deb --raw-extract <archive> <directory>" will extract both trees (DEBIAN and file-system) from a .deb
[21:51] <TJ-> aotea: if 'dpkg -L'  can't see the package that suggests 'dpkg -i' failed.
[21:53] <aotea> TJ-: seems odd as I'm positive 'apt-get -f' and 'install' told me things happened. Need to scoll my history some.
[21:54] <TJ-> aotea: check out the resources at http://packaging.ubuntu.com/
[21:54] <k1l> aotea: see /var/log/apt logs
[21:55] <TJ-> aotea: the Debian guide is probably the best resource: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html
[21:57] <major> soir
[22:01] <patsToms> someone know what ddt is in/
[22:02] <patsToms> I mean in udp protocol
[22:04] <linuxr> Hi all, in my syslog I see lines like this: "Request for unknown module key 'Magrathea: Glacier signing key:" ... what does that mean? What is this magrathea thing? thanks
[22:05] <aotea> TJ-: Thanks for your patience :) I just realized I'm an utter idiot, apparently ran "cp NonExistingFile CopyOfNonExistingFile" and everything ran smooth on absolutely nothing! Now I actually get some real errors to try and figure out. Thanks again
[22:06] <dupolas_> k1l_: unfortunately http://paste.ubuntu.com/12699635/
[22:07] <wileee> linuxr, Found this, has been fixed you updated? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1253155
[22:09] <linuxr> wileee, yes I already found that, but I don't understand what it means..especially not what this "glacier" thing is.... any ideas?
[22:09] <ratrace> Can someone point me to some reading material on how network manager and resolvconf are working together on 15.04? I have two DNS servers set by explicit IPs in the connection, but /etc/resolv.conf is showing <IP_ADDRESS>, the ip on which dnsmasq is listening, but I find no config for it. though it appears my DNS ips are in effect.
[22:10] <wileee> linuxr, If you look with the whole error on the web you will know what I do, and probably what most here will know, research is probably the tool needed to get an exact info, beyond fixed.
[22:10] <wileee> any*
[22:10] <ratrace> looks like magic! :)  and I hate that and would like to know how does the os know where to resolv names since the dns servers are not listed in /etc/resolv.conf
[22:13] <Twirl> anyone knows how to make ubuntu remember the volume i had before shutting down? every time i turn on the computer its back at 100% and its annoying af
[22:15] <wileee> Twirl, Give the channel the release and desktop to start with.
[22:15] <Twirl> wileee: what?
[22:15] <Lildirt> So, I'm trying to set up a VNC connection (using vnc4server). I can connect to it fine, but for some reason I only see https://gyazo.com/dc8dc205761f3fc5a7cbf7875ba795e8 when I actually connect. Does anyone have any idea?
[22:16] <wileee> Twirl, for example 14.04 with unity which is ubuntu or another desktop.
[22:16] <Twirl> wileee: i dont understand what you want me to do, im on ubuntu 15.04
[22:17] <wileee> Twirl, That is the most basic info needed here generally, as a heads up details are my point for the channel, if you can of course, we will work with you. ;)
[22:18] <Twirl> wileee: i'm on ubuntu 15.04
[22:18] <OerHeks> Twirl, mabe this answer is still valid http://askubuntu.com/questions/69764/how-can-i-permanently-set-the-master-volume-level
[22:18] <Finale> Twirl: I'm pretty sure pulse audio control thingie does that. it's been a while though
[22:18] <wileee> Twirl, Cool, there is help now, good luck, should be fixable.
[22:18] <Twirl> Finale: yea i pretty much hate pulse audio it eats CPU like crazy
[22:19] <OerHeks> alsamixer, set volume,  and when done, alsactl store
[22:19] <Finale> actually, OerHeks is closer to truth
[22:19] <Finale> alsamixer is prolly the answer, I just confused it with pulse
[22:20] <Twirl> OerHeks: man thats just overkill i wont be freaking issuing commands to my terminal just for setting the volume
[22:20] <EriC^^> Twirl: i think you set it once, you can always use it in a script that runs when you logout anyways
[22:20] <Finale> Had a problem with  output jack like a year ago - it just didn't work. Been screwing around with both pulse n alsamixer for a week, then realised I just forgot to plug it in T_T
[22:22] <Twirl> EriC^^: the person that thought it was a good idea to just set volume to 100% every time you turn off/on ur computer is a real genious
[22:22] <Twirl> also even make it so cool that i have to write a script to set my computer volume every time i log off
[22:23] <niee> How can I move ALL window controls(close/min/max) to the right (or left)? Im used Ubuntu 14.04 flashback. any ideas?
[22:23] <Finale> pretty sure it's a one-time measure, no?
[22:23] <Twirl> Finale: so what? i dont have time to write a freaking script, i dont want to either
[22:23] <Twirl> it's just retarded
[22:24] <EriC^^> Twirl: writing a script? it's basically just copying those two lines and pasting them somewhere
[22:24] <Twirl> EriC^^: yea i know what it is to write a script i write scripts for a living
[22:24] <EriC^^> lol
[22:24] <OerHeks> lol
[22:25] <EriC^^> made my day thank you very much
[22:25] <Twirl> i just dont want to do it
[22:27] <Twirl> EriC^^: dont u think the genius team of alsa could have made it so that when u log off it doesnt set volume to 100% or just store the current value or something?
[22:28] <EriC^^> Twirl: it actually doesn't, something is wrong with your pc
[22:28] <Twirl> luckily i use headphones most of the time because if i had some really big speakers id be really annoyed
[22:29] <EriC^^> you can add pactl set-sink-volume 0 70% to your startup apps
[22:30] <Twirl> no i just want it to remember the value like windows does since 1992
[22:31] <Twirl> and i hate windows btw
[22:31] <Twirl> only use it for gaming
[22:32] <EriC^^> try those 2 commands in OerHeks page
[22:33] <Twirl> but that is for every time i log in to set it to some value
[22:33] <EriC^^> nah it said alsa store
[22:33] <EriC^^> run the rm -r command too
[22:34] <OerHeks> one time operation
[22:36] <Twirl> nope
[22:36] <Twirl> that sets a volume to be the same every time i log in i just want to remember the settings i had before turning off my computer
[22:37] <Twirl> so if tomorrow i set it to 80% before turning it off to be 80% when i turn it no not some default 70% or w/e
[22:37] <Twirl> that's how it should be
[22:39] <SubCool> asking here first, every time i try to install lts in a vbox, it crashes. WHy?
[22:39] <Ben64> definitely not enough information
[22:41] <SupaYoshi> Anyone here familiar with UK broadband?
[22:41] <SupaYoshi> I need some advice for a friend of me, thinking to swithc providers, (FTTC)...
[22:41] <OerHeks> SubCool, did you setup the vbox instance correct before installing? 3d, minimum 256 mb videomem etc ?
[22:41] <k1l> !ot | SupaYoshi
[22:42] <itsme_> any idea whats wrong with this errors https://webchat.freenode.net/
[22:42] <SupaYoshi> np
[22:42] <EriC^^> Twirl: you could make a cronjob that runs every minute with pactl list | grep -m1 Volume | cut -d: -f4 > ~/.volume
[22:43] <EriC^^> Twirl: and add in your startup apps pactl set-sink-volume 0 $(cat ~/.volume)
[22:44] <Ben64> itsme_: no error there
[22:46] <Thorax> Anyone know how i can change, alter or disable system sounds in 15.04 Unity DE
[22:46] <itsme_> Ben64 ; it keeps shown when i download a package E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[22:47] <Ben64> itsme_: explain fully
[22:47] <itsme_> Ben64 ; i will give you a pstebin whait
[22:49] <itsme_> everytime i download a packege it shows in the terminal "Running depmod. "
[22:49] <Twirl> EriC^^: that would be the most retarded use of a cronjob i've seen
[22:49] <Ben64> itsme_: you really need to explain the issue with full details or you're not going to get any answers
[22:49] <itsme_> Ben64 ; and it ends with an error
[22:50] <EriC^^> Twirl: i was going to tell you to look into lightdm/systemd to let it run on logout
[22:50] <Twirl> EriC^^: alsa needs to store the volume and restore it on boot, that is how it should work, i can't believe the people working at alsa don't think about it like this
[22:50] <k1l> !paste | itsme_
[22:51] <itsme_> Ben64 ; can you tell me what the system is doing here  http://paste.ubuntu.com/12699937/     ?
[22:51] <k1l> itsme_: and if i should guess its: your disk is full
[22:51] <EriC^^> yeah that's what i thought i'd get ^
[22:51] <k1l> itsme_: Fatal: raid_setup: stat("/dev/sdb")  sounds not well?
[22:52] <EriC^^> Twirl: it does work that way, anyways this isn't a rant channel, either report the bug, try to fix it with a positive attitude
[22:52] <itsme_> k1l>  explain more plz
[22:52] <Twirl> EriC^^: what do you mean that it works that way?
[22:52] <k1l> itsme_: why are you using lilo?
[22:52] <Twirl> if u set volume to 12% and turn ur computer off and on its still at 12% ?
[22:52] <EriC^^> Twirl: it works here, every user has a volume set and saved, it's a bug on your pc
[22:53] <EriC^^> yes, and if another user sets it to 14% it's 14% when he logs on
[22:53] <Twirl> oh well, thats refreshing
[22:54] <Finale> Can it be connected with Win as second OS? I've re-installed Ubuntu and my audio drivers in Win have gone crazy
[22:54] <itsme_> k1l  ; do you mean the boot manager , I installed it  from the mini iso , thats how i installed my ubuntu system 15,04 and grub as well
[22:55] <k1l> itsme_: its some issue with lilo.
[22:55] <Finale> sounds paranormal though. do they even connect?
[22:55] <k1l> itsme_: i havent used lilo since a long time. so dont know about that.
[22:55] <wileee> Finale, should not.
 will uninstalling it break my system ?
[22:56] <itsme_> k1l ; or solve the problem at the first place ?
[22:56] <k1l> itsme_: well, you need a bootloader.
[22:57] <wileee> Finale, This a partitioned install, not a wubi or virtual?
[22:57] <k1l> itsme_: i dont know why you choose lilo in first place. grub is the ubuntu standard. and that is known to work
[22:57] <itsme_> k1l ; i have grub installed , by the way i installed grub from the live ubuntu cause it couldnt install from the mini iso
[22:57] <Finale> wileee: yup, 2 actual OS
[22:58] <wileee> Finale, Unlikely tied, is it fixed yet?
[23:00] <Finale> Windows 8 includes a new feature called "Hybrid Shutdown" or "Fast Boot".  In this mode, "shutdown" just suspends hardware devices, and when Linux boots it is unable to resume them. You will need to disable it on a dual-boot system.
[23:00] <Finale> might try that.
[23:00] <reisio> better to not dual boot
[23:01] <Finale> really need my FL studio
[23:01] <itsme_> k1l ; how can i chek the helth of my  disk  ?
[23:01] <reisio> nah, there are Unixy analogues
[23:01] <wileee> Finale, Yeah if a uefi consult the ubuntu uefi wiki, that from it?
[23:01] <reisio> moreover, FL Studio will run via Wine
[23:02]  * wileee bequeaths a ceramic podium to reisio ; )
[23:03] <reisio> wileee: now we're talkin'
[23:04] <wileee> ;)
[23:12] <Thorax> Sooo.... Its impossible to disable system sounds?
[23:18] <cweagans> When installing the apache2 package, is there an easy way to specify the uid/gid of the www-data user and group?
[23:18] <cweagans> or do I just need to install the package and fiddle with the uid and gid after the fact?
[23:20] <genii> cweagans: Needs to be done after installing
[23:20] <cweagans> dang. okay. thanks.
[23:20] <genii> ..but not sure why you'd want to anyhow
[23:21] <Gurkenglas> While trying to build the haskell package ghc-mod, on the dependency ghc-paths it complains "<command line>: can't load .so/.DLL for: libtinfo.so (libtinfo.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)". http://pastebin.com/JYRT68PP I'm assuming that means I need a dll-like file. The software center seems to say I already have it. https://gyazo.com/87ae1e1a021eefff2abbad84baf748f4
[23:22] <Gurkenglas> (vm (VirtualBox), host windows 10, guest xubuntu 14.04)
[23:34] <maximusfl_> How do you join this group
[23:34] <maximusfl_> ??
[23:34] <reisio> which'n?
[23:35] <maximusfl_> I am a noob with IRC
[23:36] <maximusfl_> do you have to join each group
[23:36] <reisio> channel?
[23:36] <maximusfl_> yes
[23:36] <reisio> what are you trying to join
[23:36] <maximusfl_> "/join NickServ #ubuntu"
[23:37] <reisio> it'd be /join #ubuntu
[23:37] <reisio> but you're already in #ubuntu
[23:37] <reisio> (here)
[23:37] <Bashing-om> maximusfl_: "Join 'this' group" -> Make a significant contribution to the ubuntu community .
[23:37] <reisio> you can hit CTRL+s (or from the top left menu, Network List) to configure default channels to join
[23:38] <maximusfl_> I am using xchat as a client
[23:39] <reisio> I know
[23:39] <maximusfl_> thanks reisio
[23:42] <wafflejock> maximusfl_: you're as here as you can be, this is the maximum hereness you can attain :)
[23:42] <wafflejock> maximusfl_: with freenode there are FAQs for if you want to register a Nick which is necessary for some channels
[23:42] <ianhulett> I want to install ubuntu server edition on one of my old hard drives, but all I have to spare is an SD card. Can I boot with that?
[23:42] <maximusfl_> Reading Freenode.net now
[23:43] <ianhulett> ...or no?
[23:43] <maximusfl_> Thanks!
[23:43] <maximusfl_> You can Install an an SD card
[23:43] <wafflejock> ianhulett: haven't ever had a computer that had a SD card boot option explicitly but also never tried
[23:44] <maximusfl_> I have installed linux on SD
[23:44] <wafflejock> ianhulett: would just give it a shot though see if there's a boot option for it if you get the BIOS boot menu
[23:44] <maximusfl_> If you ever work with a BeagleBone,
[23:44] <wafflejock> maximusfl_: ah true have done RasPi and BeagleBone, didn't even think of that
[23:47] <ianhulett> kk
[23:48] <dbkaplun> Anyone wanna try this badass CLI text editor? https://github.com/slap-editor/slap (disclaimer: I wrote it)
[23:51] <lotuspsychje> dbkaplun: did you know you can request apps to be added to repos if you want
[23:54] <qwebirc21817> Using TRUSTY runningt apt-get upgrade. It finished but: The kernels are being held back why?
[23:54] <wileee> qwebirc21817, try dist-upgrade
[23:54] <wileee> dist is the security kernel tag
[23:54] <qwebirc21817> wileee: Will that change to utopic or reinstall the entire system?
[23:55] <wileee> no, security and kernel updates is all in the release
[23:56] <qwebirc21817> wileee: So dist-upgrade only updates the security updates?
[23:57] <qwebirc21817> Now that dist-upgrade is running and replacing the kernel how can I specify not to erase old kernels?
[23:57] <wileee> qwebirc21817, If they fit within that tag, it is not a thing to worry about it is standard control.
[23:59] <genii> qwebirc21817: dist-upgrade will bump application versions up to a new major version if they exist for the Ubuntu version you are running, as well as bring your kernel to the latest one packaged for that version Ubuntu as well.
[23:59] <wileee> qwebirc21817, Lubuntu but the same, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/RemoveOldKernels


[00:09] <markthomas> nwilson5, The default gateway is the destination for all packets not bound for 1) a local subnet, or 2) a network with an explicitly-defined route.
[00:10] <markthomas> nwilson5, So you wouldn't really need more than one.  If you need finer-grained control over routing, you need to define routing table entries other than the default route.
[00:26] <bitbyte> Hey guys do you know if bug report #728666 has been resolved ?
[00:27] <bitbyte> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=728666
[00:27] <bitbyte> i take the "normal, open" as no still under going root cause ?
[00:27] <bitbyte> mr bot?
[02:11] <nyRednek> hey, can i define multiple ssl keys to be used by one instance of postfix?
[04:28] <lamont> nyRednek: ssl is negotatied fairly early, which makes it hard to use more than one SSL key on any given {IP,Port}   Having said that, if you want them on different IPs or Ports, that could be done with -o options inside of master.cf
[04:29] <nyRednek> lamont: thanks
[12:47] <ice9> what is the best way to backup the whole system, by making an archive of it or just copying the whole files with ordinary cp or rsync?
[12:58] <RoyK> ice9: I'd use rsync
[12:58] <RoyK> or perhaps tar
[12:58] <RoyK> but rsync works well
[13:09] <Ontani> its strange, the device is booted completely but the splashscreen doesn't go away
[14:47] <orogor> hi
[14:47] <orogor> may somone enlighten me on a not so simple memory usage question ?
[14:47] <orogor> all swap is off, sum of rss memory is 2G , 1G is cache , yet i have 7gb used , 1gb free
[14:47] <orogor> blender trying to allowate more than 1gb get oom killed, so thats  really 1gb free
[14:50] <RoyK> blender on a server?
[14:50] <orogor> well...no
[14:51] <orogor> but #blender is often a bit childish so i dont hang there too much
[15:34] <eagles0513875> hey guys I have a question im trying to set a user through ACL to have access to /var/log yet i get a message setfacl -m u:jaquilina:rx /var/log setfacl: /var/log: Operation not supported
[15:34] <eagles0513875> what am I missing?
[15:39] <orogor> setfacl -m u:jaquilina:r ; setfacl -m u:jaquilina:x  works ?
[15:45] <jrwren_> eagles0513875: do you have permissions to /var/log to set a facl to it?
[15:45] <jrwren_> orogor: is blender trying to allocate huge chunk of contiguous memory?
[15:45] <eagles0513875> jrwren_: im trying to set the permissions for my user using root
[15:46] <eagles0513875> i should be able to do so as root no?
[15:46] <orogor> i am unsure your syntax is good
[15:46] <jrwren_> eagles0513875: yes.
[15:46] <eagles0513875> well its not letting me
[15:46] <eagles0513875> is the syntax i have above right or am i missing something
[15:46] <jrwren_> eagles0513875: try r-x instead of rx
[15:47] <orogor> jrwren_, noidea
[15:47] <eagles0513875> jrwren_: nope with r-x it still gives me the operation not supported issue
[15:47] <jrwren_> sudo setfacl -m u:jrwren:r-x /var/log #WFM
[15:47] <jrwren_> eagles0513875: oh! is the filesystem mounted with acl?
[15:47] <eagles0513875> oh crap i think that is what im missing
[15:48] <eagles0513875> ahh that is what i forgot doh
[15:48] <eagles0513875> brb
[15:48] <jrwren_> sudo mount -o remount,acl /
[15:48] <jrwren_> :)
[15:50] <eagles0513875> thanks jrwren_
[16:05] <harushimo> openstack question: has anyone set it up here?
[16:05] <harushimo> I'm using ubuntu server
[16:15] <jrwren_> harushimo: yes, a bit.
[16:15] <jrwren_> harushimo: one does not simply setup openstack :)
[16:17] <harushimo> jwren: they are missing packages that i'm encountering
[16:17] <jrwren_> which pkgs?
[16:17] <jrwren_> are you using cloud archive?
[16:17] <harushimo> jrwren: no
[16:17] <jrwren_> use cloud archive
[16:18] <harushimo> thank you. Is that where all the files are
[16:20] <harushimo> jrwren: the packages are nova-conductor and neutron-server
[16:20] <harushimo> I didn't get the keystone-all either
[16:20] <jrwren_> given that neutro didn't exist until havana (rename), yes, you MUST use cloud archive to get those.
[16:20] <harushimo> thank you so much. I'll add it to the source list
[16:21] <jrwren_> the guide should have said to use cloud arhive
[16:21] <harushimo> no it didn't
[16:21] <harushimo> I'm using the one from openstack foundation
[16:22] <harushimo> when I add the new site to get the application, add it to my source list and then do I need to do apt-get update
[16:23] <jrwren_> http://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/apt/content/basics-packages.html  says it is optional
[16:23] <jrwren_> but its required to use a version newer than what shipped with that version of ubuntu server.
[16:24] <harushimo> so I pretty much need to get everything again
[16:25] <harushimo> I got most of the packages from ubuntu repository not the cloud repository correct?
[16:25] <jrwren_> i think 12.04 shipped with folsom or maybe essex
[16:25] <jrwren_> yes, if you didn't configure any other repo, then you got it from ubuntu repository
[16:26] <harushimo> jrwren: I should be able update those packages even if I download them from cloud archive correct?
[16:27] <jrwren_> yes
[16:27] <harushimo> jrwren: perfect. let me try all of this. if I get anymore questions, I'll ask you. thanks
[16:27] <jrwren_> yw
[16:55] <eagles0513875> jrwren_: even with ACL permissions on /var/log i am not able to copy them on to my local machine :(
[16:56] <jrwren_> eagles0513875: i'm not sure what copy you are trying
[16:58] <eagles0513875> jrwren_: just drag and drop im on dolphin in this laptop as im running kde. im using the fish protocol
[16:58] <eagles0513875> which is a fancy way to do sftp
[16:59] <jrwren_> some files are still not readable. e.g. /var/log/syslog is 640 not 644 by default.
[16:59] <jrwren_> eagles0513875: what exactly are you trying to do?
[17:03] <eagles0513875> jrwren_: basically sftp the syslogs from this system for indepth analysis
[17:04] <jrwren_> just syslogs? those get rotated, maybe setup a cron job to setfacl on them? or change logrotate to setfacl after rotating
[17:04] <eagles0513875> jrwren_: i know they get rotated im wanting to pull the current syslog and the rotated ones
[17:05] <jrwren_> sudo setfacl -m u:jrwren:r-- /var/log/syslog*
[17:06] <jrwren_> and add setfacl -m u:jrwren:r-- /var/log/syslog to the postrotate section of /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog
[17:06] <eagles0513875> jrwren_: i have rx on /var/log
[17:06] <jrwren_> so the permissions stay
[17:06] <jrwren_> yes, that lets you read the contents of that directory. it means nothing about the individual files.
[17:06] <eagles0513875> ahh ok
[17:07] <eagles0513875> ok lets back track lol
[17:08] <jrwren_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_system_permissions
[17:13] <eagles0513875> jrwren_:
[17:13] <eagles0513875> would i need sudo in front of setfacl -m u:jrwren:r-- /var/log/syslog
[17:28] <jrwren_> not in the postrotate section, no
[17:28] <jrwren_> the rotate script already runs as root
[18:57] <mgw> does dpkg-buildpackage automatically run make all?
[19:10] <rbasak> mgw: not really. It runs "debian/rules build". What that does is down to debian/rules.
[19:10] <rbasak> mgw: see: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-debianrules
[20:16] <mgw> rbasak: that's what I thought too, but something seems to be calling "make all" during the build process
[20:22] <rbasak> mgw: that's down to what debian/rules does. Often it uses debhelper, which ends up calling dh_autobuild or something
[20:23] <mgw> yep
[20:23] <mgw> dh build calls dh_autobuild
[20:23] <mgw> which calls make
[20:23] <mgw> so I can just override dh_autobuild
[20:23] <mgw> right?
[20:26] <rbasak> You can define a rule called override_dh_auto_build or something.
[20:26] <rbasak> In there you can choose to call dh_auto_build or something else entirely.
[20:34] <mgw> rbasak: yeah, that works. what about calling dh $@ --without auto_clean?
[20:34] <mgw> (and auto_build)
[20:34] <mgw> man dh seems to indicate you could do that, but it doesn't work
[20:35] <mgw> looks like auto_clean doesn't count as an addon
[20:35] <mgw> dh —list does not include it
[20:42] <rbasak> mgw: we're at the limit of my dh sequencer knowledge, sorry.
[20:43] <rbasak> mgw: AIUI, using override_dh_auto_build is the accepted/recommended way of doing it.
[21:18] <mgw> rbasak: thanks, I read man dh again and saw that, thanks
[21:18] <rbasak> np
[23:56] <mgw> I'm packaging a project. Can one package install multiple daemons, each with their own upstart config?


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