[03:49] <Tyrone> hi guys
[03:49] <Tyrone> help
[03:49] <Tyrone> hehehehhee
[04:30] <Tyrone> weeeeeee
[04:30] <Tyrone> i have internet now
[04:31] <Tyrone> but the problem is when i connect to proxy settings i cant access it
[05:32] <Tyrone> zack you therE?
[06:30] <Tyrone_> Knightlust:
[06:30] <Tyrone_> zakame:
[06:30] <Tyrone_> you there
[06:31] <Tyrone_> ping zakame
[07:03] <Tyrone_> tao po
[09:54] <Tyrone> tao po
[10:59] <Tyrone> any admin?
[11:26] <Tyrone> Terminus-:
[11:32] <Terminus-> hello Tyrone
[11:33] <Tyrone> hello
[11:34] <Tyrone> you familiar with ubuntu squid proxy?
[11:40] <Terminus-> it's been a long time since i configured squid. i just read the manual then forget everything when i'm done.
[11:46] <Tyrone> :)
[11:47] <Tyrone> i have this problim now i cant use the proxy server..
[11:48] <Tyrone> but when i use the ubuntu box it can use the proxy
[11:48] <Tyrone> like my laptop connected to the ubuntu box with proxy, when i use the proxy to firefox i cant access
[11:48] <Tyrone> but when i dont use proxy server on firefox i have internet
[11:48] <Tyrone> i just wonder why it happen
[11:49] <Terminus-> Tyrone: is the proxy transparent or not? is squid listening on the proper port? are your clients on the squid acl? squid acls are strict by default IIRC.
[11:50] <Tyrone> how do i know if the proxy is transparent?
[11:50] <Tyrone> where i look?
[11:50] <Tyrone> by the way if i use the ubuntu box firefox and use the proxy there its connected... and i can have access
[11:51] <Tyrone> but why in my laptop i cant use proxy
[11:51] <Terminus-> if you don't know if it's transparent or not, then it's probably not transparent.
[11:51] <Tyrone> is there any command to look if its transparent?
[11:51] <Terminus-> Tyrone: probably the acls then. check your configuration.
[11:52] <Tyrone> the ubuntu ip is <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:52] <Tyrone> the the lan is <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:52] <Tyrone> in my laptop i put the ip of lan to proxy but no luck
[11:52] <Tyrone> then i put the ip of the ubuntu box still no luck
[12:01] <Terminus-> i'd still look at acls first.
[12:02]  * Terminus- ponders installing max payne or dragon age
[12:02] <Terminus-> or just playing batman. XD
[12:09] <Tyrone> haha
[12:09] <Tyrone> kk
[12:10] <Tyrone> Terminus-:  is there any way that i can make the squid conf turn to default?
[12:10] <Tyrone> so that all i type there will be gone and it will be its new default?
[12:12] <Terminus-> Tyrone: aptitude purge squid # not sure if the package is named squid or whatever
[12:12] <Terminus-> then make sure all of the squid config files in /etc are gone, then install squid again.
[12:25] <Tyrone> Terminus-:  it says sudo: aptitude: command not found
[12:27] <Terminus-> Tyrone: it may not be in your path. sudo /usr/bin/aptitude purge $whatever.
[12:28] <Tyrone> Terminus-:  it says sudo: /user/bin/aptitude: command not found
[12:28] <Tyrone> :)
[12:30] <Tyrone> now i know
[12:31] <Tyrone> its sudo apt-get --purge remove squid
[12:31] <Tyrone> :)
[12:35] <Terminus-> huh? what version of ubuntu are you using that doesn't have aptitude? O_o
[12:35]  * Terminus- stopped using apt-get 8 years ago
[12:37] <Terminus-> although devs are now saying that the situation has been reversed and apt-get > aptitude now
[13:12] <Tyrone> ubuntu 10.10 desktop edi
[13:13] <Tyrone> Terminus-:  its ubuntu 10.10 desktop
[13:17] <Terminus-> oh well. guess they changed stuff. i'm still using 10.04. i don't plan to upgrade until the next LTS.
[13:17] <Terminus-> anyway, i'm gonna go play batman now. good luck with the proxy. =)
[13:43] <Tyrone> hahahaha
[13:43] <Tyrone> kk
[14:49] <Tyrone> heeeeeeeeeeellllllpppppp
[14:49] <Tyrone> :)
[16:28] <Tyrone> helllooooooooooo
[16:29] <Terminus-> Tyrone: have you tried asking in #ubuntu? there are way more people there.
[16:29] <Tyrone> hard for me to speak english :)
[16:29] <Tyrone> i have only 1 problim now
[16:29] <Tyrone> only the proxy
[16:29] <Tyrone> :)
[16:29] <Tyrone> that's all
[16:29] <Terminus-> i see.
[16:29] <Tyrone> ^_^


[00:17] <brousch> jrwren: seriously?
[00:19] <jrwren> yes.
[00:19] <jrwren> why?
[00:28] <greg-g> rock, bring some of that beer then, brousch, I'll even pay you for some :)
[00:53] <snap-l> http://identi.ca/notice/68283272
[00:57] <jrwren> what beer?
[00:57] <jrwren> does potbean brownies mean what I think it means?
[00:58] <jrwren> *gasp* (C)-violator!
[02:00] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, yeah, I know.
[02:00] <jrwren> snap-l: don't feel bad.
[02:00] <jrwren> look at it this way, i violate your right to happiness by pointing out windows7 awesomeness every day :)
[02:01] <snap-l> jrwren: And Microsoft violates your tender anal virginity every time you use Windows 7
[02:01] <snap-l> ;)
[02:01] <jrwren> it does?
[02:01] <snap-l> I guess after a while you don't feel it anymore.
[02:02] <jrwren> all this talk of violation makes me think of the violator from the spawn movie.
[02:02] <snap-l> And with that, more Doctor Who
[02:02] <snap-l> laterness. ;)
[02:08] <greg-g> jrwren: something from Founders since brousch is from the GR
[02:08] <greg-g> man I love Founders
[02:11] <jrwren> i prefer OG :)
[02:13] <brousch> jrwren: i'll bring some founders or new holland beers to the jam
[02:13] <greg-g> YAY!
[02:19] <brousch> any requests
[02:19] <brousch> and what's the attendance looking like?
[02:22] <greg-g> 8 confirmed, 4 maybes
[02:22] <greg-g> also, why does glow.mozilla.org and 280.status.net think I'm from an arabic country (they both are showing the arabic translations of the standard words :/)
[03:56] <snap-l> Add one to the maybes
[03:56] <snap-l> though I'm more likely attending than not
[03:58] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/gc1o7/calling_all_students_hack_on_the_gnu_hurd_for/
[04:00] <brousch> snap-l: you must go to the jam. i owe you like 3 kicks to the crotch
[04:02] <snap-l> brousch: Well, then I'll definitely go. :-P
[04:03] <rick_h_> heh, in that case...
[04:05] <brousch> rick_h_: i noticed you didn't beat up foord wrt to django. has he converted you to the awesome side?
[04:05] <rick_h_> heh, no
[04:05] <rick_h_> I expressed my suprise :P
[04:06] <brousch> but really, mac, windows, and django. he is your arch enemy
[04:06] <brousch> should have asked if he uses emacs or eclipse
[15:06] <rick_h_> http://ubunturocking.wordpress.com/2011/03/27/a-neutral-approach-at-gnome-shell-and-a-comparison-with-unity/
[15:06] <rick_h_> really good read on gnome shell vs unity ^^
[15:18] <snap-l> Good morning
[15:20] <rick_h_> party
[15:32] <greg-g> yo yo
[15:50] <brousch> poking at narwal
[15:50] <brousch> i don't have the side launcher thing
[15:55] <snap-l> brousch: then it didn't enable compiz
[15:55] <snap-l> are you doing it in a VM?
[15:58] <snap-l> OK, off to go grocery shopping. Laterness.
[16:01] <jrwren> snap-l: i loled at your coffee coffe coffe
[16:08] <brousch> yes, vm
[16:08] <brousch> but supposedly has 3d
[16:14] <brousch_natty> i forgot how nice gwibber is
[16:20] <brousch> it seems much slower than other ubuntu VMs i have
[16:21] <brousch> very heavy
[16:23] <brousch> sigh, installed updates and now it's broken
[16:24] <rick_h_> lol
[17:15] <_stink_> brousch: did you try to invite me to cyber?
[18:37] <snap-l> jrwren: heh. :)
[18:41] <rick_h_> wow, the comments are fun: http://ubunturocking.wordpress.com/2011/03/27/a-neutral-approach-at-gnome-shell-and-a-comparison-with-unity/
[18:41] <rick_h_> "if you want to try gnome shell, please change distros..."
 :)


[12:56] <mup> Bug #1982484 opened: vcenter.yaml not being created due to possible vcenter_registration metadata bug <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1982484>
[12:59] <mup> Bug #1982484 changed: vcenter.yaml not being created due to possible vcenter_registration metadata bug <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1982484>
[13:02] <mup> Bug #1982484 opened: vcenter.yaml not being created due to possible vcenter_registration metadata bug <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1982484>
[14:56] <jeronimo> Failed deployment: Failed to power on node - Power on for the node failed: Failed talking to node's BMC: Failed to power apk3fc. BMC never transitioned from off to on. Weird
[14:56] <jeronimo> one juju deployment failed
[14:56] <jeronimo> machine deployment
[15:00] <jeronimo> 2/3 lxd hosts came online
[20:12] <mcint> I'm having trouble getting a deploy working
[20:13] <mcint> I submit cloud-init / cloud-config, and don't see the users I want set up. Nor the networking or disk configuration. How does maas do base provisioning (in advance of? and) in addtion to user-provided config?


[00:34] <bigjools> wgrant: congrats on the preliminary git support
[00:35] <wgrant> bigjools: Thanks. It's great to finally be there.
[00:36] <wgrant> We'll be moving lp:launchpad across soonish to dogfood it.
[00:36] <bigjools> is anyone using it yet?
[00:36] <wgrant> The kernel team are the first users with it.
[00:37] <bigjools> figures :)
[00:37] <wgrant> And they're not complaining about performance at all, so I think we're good.
[00:37] <bigjools> I think you can claim to be the largest open source Git repo already :)
[00:44] <danilos> wgrant, the usual problem with git smart server is memory consumption, so if you can take 50 simultaneous git clones of the kernel on slow connections, you are good :)
[00:44] <wgrant> danilos: Yeah, if someone tries that we're in trouble, but we have a good amount of RAM.
[00:44] <wgrant> And are working on horizontal scaling.
[00:45] <danilos> wgrant, cool :)
[00:46] <danilos> wgrant, (on git.linaro.org, we had that happen with CI or when AOSP and git.kernel.org went down, when everybody wanted to use git.l.o)
[00:58]  * bigjools waves to danilos
[05:42]  * danilos waves back to bigjools (went to sleep right after :))
[05:42] <bigjools> danilos: I tend to do that to people
[05:42] <danilos> hehe
[05:45] <StevenK> bigjools: O Ha*snore*
[18:35] <cjwatson> I think I have GitRef:+activereviews more or less done; still one query count test that's slightly off, but I've found most of the necessary preloading.  Will finish it on Monday.
[20:11] <qtuser> hello!
[20:11] <qtuser> I am having trouble putting a project on launchpad, is anyone around to help?


[00:00] <sloshy> they fixed the bug in later versions of kde, as well as the blurry fonts on the system settings
[00:00] <sloshy> but unfortunately i cant run any interim ubuntu release at the moment because they all have a serious with amdgpu
[00:00] <sloshy> because interim ubuntu releases are always garbage
[00:01] <OerHeks> i am not sure a bare metal install would fix such video issues, EDID info and such
[00:01] <sloshy> ah fuck it ill just use neon
[00:02] <OerHeks> but rant away, you are on ignore by me
[02:19] <eduardo> I love this distro =))))
[02:21]  * qbsd would love it more if he could upgrade to 19.04 and not watch the machine not boot to a black screen of nothing
[02:22]  * eduardo loves it all the same
[02:22] <qbsd> gotta *love* Clonezille
[02:23] <qbsd> I always Clonezilla backup images before I change anything so I can at least roll back to known good
[05:44] <aiykr> Hello all,
[05:44] <aiykr> the topic is kubuntu support right
[05:51] <tomreyn> aiykr: /topic seems to state so.
[05:53] <aiykr> k i have a little issue, just added the kde plasama desktop view to my ubuntu 18.04
[05:54] <aiykr> and would need help in deleting a bug fatted theme  i installed on my kde
[05:59] <valorie> bug fatted theme?
[06:00] <valorie> also, adding plasma to regular ubuntu is not the same as kubuntu in many, many ways
[06:03] <aiykr> i used the themes setting on kde
[06:06] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:51] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Guest29330, https://freenode.net/kb/answer/sendpass. the command in freenode server is: /msg NickServ SENDPASS youraccountnamehere
[13:35] <Guest29330>  /msg NickServ SENDPASS
[13:37] <BluesKaj> Guest29330, run that in the freenode server tab
[14:01] <brian__> hey
[14:41] <LearnAllTheTime> Anyone know what .bashrc Alt+f2 uses?
[14:42] <LearnAllTheTime> Meaning where does it get its PATH and other env variables from
[14:49] <BluesKaj> LearnAllTheTime , it's found in dolphin>view>hidden files or /home/username/.bashrc, if that's what you're asking
[14:59] <LearnAllTheTime> BluesKaj: I was trying to figure out how to add aliases to KRunner, I don't think it's possible atm
[15:01] <BluesKaj> LearnAllTheTime, why not just use a ~/ .bash_aliases text file ?
[15:05] <BluesKaj> run the alias from the konsole
[15:17] <LearnAllTheTime> Because then the program will be attached to the console
[15:18] <LearnAllTheTime> i.e `killall plasmashell && plasmashell`
[15:24] <BluesKaj> LearnAllTheTime, well, i see you got your answer from the knowledgeable guys at #kde :-0


[10:22] <rmg51> Morning
[13:13] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[14:52] <ChinnoDog> morning


[06:26] <fabbione> morning
[06:52] <lamont-away> doko: Moved gcc-3.4_3.4.4-3ubuntu1hppa1 to upload-breezy
[06:52] <lamont-away> that's with your PATH hack, and the good patch
[08:39] <lamont> Unresolved Dependency: cpp Depends: cpp-3.4 (>= 4.0.0-7) (breezy/main/hppa)
[08:44] <lamont>  Package: gpc
[08:44] <lamont>  Depends: cpp (>= 4:4.0.0-2), gpc-2.1-3.4, gcc-4.0 (>= 3.4.3)
[08:44] <lamont> hrmpf
[01:39] <jbailey> g'm all
[06:21] <Riddell> doko or anyone: could you review this http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/wv2.diff
[06:24] <doko> Riddell: the files in debian/ are not renamed, the name in the shlibs file needs to be changed
[06:33] <Riddell> doko: fixed patch up
[06:35] <doko> Riddell: no, the package name in the shlibs file is wrong
[06:36] <Riddell> oops, sorry
[06:39] <Riddell> doko: ok, third try now
[06:50] <doko> looks ok, although there is a Makefile in the diff now.
[07:39] <fabbione> elmo: any luck with logs@ ?
[07:45] <elmo> working on it, just talked to lamont
[07:45] <fabbione> oh ok :)
[07:46] <fabbione> i am off for a shower :)
[07:46] <fabbione> and dinner...
[07:46] <fabbione> i will ping you tomorrow again :P
[07:48] <lamont> fabbione: with luck, it'll be happy by then.. :0)
[08:29] <desrt> 'sup guys.  is ppc biarch toolchain in breezy yet?
[08:31] <elmo> yes
[08:31] <jbailey> desrt: Yes, awhile ago.
[08:31] <desrt> rocking
[08:31] <desrt> any word on the kernel?
[08:31] <jbailey> Any particular kernel?
[08:31] <desrt> ppc64
[08:32] <jbailey> Also done awhile ago.
[08:32] <desrt> my life is complete.
[08:33] <jbailey> Will you die now?  If yes, I'm sure I could break part of it to keep you around.
[08:33] <jbailey> I'd hate to have someone dying on my concience.
[08:33] <desrt> :)
[08:34] <desrt> this is enough to keep me around for a while
[08:34] <jbailey> Oh good.
[08:34] <desrt> if anything you've saved me from committing suicide faced with the prospect of another manual kernel cross-compile
[08:34] <desrt> jbailey++
[09:06] <desrt> so i have this nice kernel running and linux-headers-2.6.12-3-powerpc64-smp installed
[09:06] <desrt> but whenever i go to build something it uses gcc-3.4 and seems to be trying to build a 64bit kernel in 32bit mode
[09:06] <desrt> (ie: building a module out-of-tree)
[09:06] <jbailey> Make sure you add -m64 to the command line.
[09:07] <desrt> nod.  it definitely builds 64bit code... just the linux-headers-2.6.12-3-powerpc64-smp package seems to be misconfigured
[09:15] <jbailey> Best to try #ubuntu-kernel
[09:15] <desrt> thanks.
[09:18] <fabbione> desrt: that can be possible..
[09:18] <fabbione> that the header package isn't correct...
[09:18] <fabbione> i hounestly forgot to check it
[09:18] <desrt> fabbione; eek.
[09:19] <desrt> fabbione; lemme try installing the full source
[09:19] <fabbione> desrt: if you can kindly mail me the details of what you are trying to do, it would be very nice
[09:19] <fabbione> i don't have a ppc64 at home to play with
[09:19] <jbailey> fabbione: Got a sec for chatting?
[09:19] <fabbione> and doing tests is quite of a problem for me
[09:19] <fabbione> jbailey: sure
[09:19] <fabbione> for you always
[09:19] <desrt> fabbione<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:20] <jbailey> fabbione: After I move, I can give you access to mine easily.
[09:20] <fabbione> desrt: yes that would be perfect
[09:20] <desrt> fabbione; i can also give you access here if you like
[09:20] <fabbione> jbailey: nice :)
[09:20] <fabbione> desrt: see the problem is that to install/uninstall stuff i need basically root access :)
[09:20] <desrt> fabbione; that's fine
[09:21] <desrt> fabbione; it's a fresh box that i installed yesterday and just moved hoary->breezy.  i don't care about it very much :)
[09:22] <fabbione> desrt: well i don't like to use "users" machines, but if you want you can send me an account info with the mail
[09:22] <fabbione> and i can look at what you are doing
[09:22] <fabbione> so i can see what's wrong with the headers
[09:22] <desrt> ok.  first i'll see if i can get it working with the full sources
[09:22] <fabbione> sure
[09:23] <desrt> oh wait.  there exist no fully-preconfigured source packages that correspond to the built kernel images, do there?
[09:23] <desrt> fabbione; do you have an ssh key somewhere?
[09:23] <fabbione> desrt: there is the source.. you can grab the config from /boot
[09:24] <fabbione> desrt: sure i can send it to you
[09:24] <desrt> fabbione; it looks like there are some Makefile modifications here...
[09:24] <fabbione> desrt: uh?
[09:25] <desrt> like $(CROSSCOMPILE)gcc changed to gcc-3.4
[09:25] <fabbione> desrt: yes. that's correct... we force gcc-3.4
[09:25] <fabbione> because it's the minimum that can compile ppc64
[09:26] <desrt> right.. but will just copying in the .config change that?
[09:26] <fabbione> nope
[09:27] <desrt> k.  i'll just diff the Makefiles to see if there's anything else
[09:28] <desrt> fabbione; please send your key
[09:29] <fabbione> desrt: i need your email address at least?
[09:29] <desrt><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:30] <zul> whats with all these canadians
[09:30] <desrt> :)
[09:30] <fabbione> eheh
[09:32] <desrt> that's one heck of a long key :)
[09:32] <fabbione> dont' confuse the gpg key with the ssh one
[09:32] <fabbione> one it's only the signature
[09:32] <fabbione> so you can verify the mail is coming from me
[09:33] <desrt> ok.  try to ssh to copacetic.mcmaster.ca
[09:34] <fabbione> The authenticity of host 'copacetic.mcmaster.ca (<IP_ADDRESS>)' can't be established.
[09:34] <fabbione> RSA key fingerprint is fe:7c:e5:9a:8b:aa:17:39:5e:6a:08:64:32:53:f2:19.
[09:34] <desrt> uh.  i guess that's right :)
[09:34] <fabbione> yeah i am in
[09:34] <desrt> ok.  the ppc64 box is called gorecki
[09:34] <fabbione> but you are running 2.6.10 there...
[09:34] <fabbione> ah i need another op?
[09:35] <desrt> ya.  gorecki is behind the firewall
[09:35] <fabbione> Failed to add the host to the list of known hosts (/home/fabbione/.ssh/known_hosts).
[09:35] <desrt> your password on gorecki is 'secret'
[09:35] <desrt> oh.  sorry.
[09:35] <fabbione> amen ok :)
[09:35] <fabbione> you left .ssh as root
[09:35] <desrt> yes.  fixed now.,
[09:35] <desrt> you should be able to sudo on gorecki
[09:36] <fabbione> root@gorecki:~ #
[09:36] <desrt> excellent :)
[09:36] <fabbione> i would say it works...
[09:36] <fabbione> desrt: can you send me now the info of what needs to be done via email?
[09:36] <fabbione> it's like 10pm here
[09:36] <desrt> ok
[09:36] <fabbione> and i plan to crash in not too long from now :)
[09:36] <desrt> btw: it works much better when i use the source
[09:37] <desrt> so it must be a problem with the headers package
[09:37] <fabbione> desrt: it is possible.. yes.. as i said before :)
[09:37] <desrt> will email info.
[09:37] <desrt> thanks :)
[09:37] <fabbione> desrt: thanks for the cooperation
[09:37] <desrt> no problem.


[00:26] <hggdh> ogra_: I will look at it... been thinking about revamping the ops on -bugs for a while...
[00:27] <ogra_> hggdh, awesome, thanks !


[11:13] <ochosi> Unit193: if dunst is running then notifyd doesn't start because i think they share the same dbus name


[02:10] <imgbot> [03:45] <imgbot> [03:45] <imgbot> [08:05] <jibel> sil2100, Mirv ubuntu/silo-016 is a fix for desktop, there is no indicator-session on the phone AFAIK. Can you remove the need for sign off and publish
[08:11] <sil2100> jibel: ah, sure, not sure why it was marked like that then
[08:26] <Mirv> right
[08:28] <sil2100> Courier, might be a bit late
[08:33] <sil2100> ogra_: pong
[08:33] <ogra_> pong ?
[08:33]  * ogra_ wrangles with google
[08:55] <imgbot> [09:52] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, I got a +1 for the vivid krillin tarball
[09:52] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, any objection to me pushing that now?
[09:53] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: vivid? No objections from my side :) ogra_ you doing anything on vivid or is it fine to push a new tarball?
[09:53] <ogra_> go ahead
[09:53] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: do it then! Thanks :)
[09:54] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, ack
[09:55] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, done
[10:15] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: \o/
[10:28] <sil2100> ogra_: the image build has finished while you and imgbot were disconnected ;) Will it pick it up still and generate a change file?
[10:29] <ogra_> it should definitely generate the chanes file
[10:30] <ogra_> lets see
[10:30] <ogra_> imgbot, status 259
[10:30] <imgbot> Status: succeeded, Started: 2015-03-30 08:48:36 UTC, Finished: 2015-03-30 09:36:58 UTC
[10:30] <imgbot> Build URL: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/ubuntu-touch/+build/23736
[10:30] <imgbot> Changelog: http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/rtm/259.changes
[10:30] <ogra_> looks fine
[10:52] <rvr> dobey: ping
[11:48]  * sil2100 off to prepare lunch
[11:48] <sil2100> o/
[12:13] <jgdx> do it already :p
[12:13] <ogra_> lol
[12:13]  * ogra_ foresees some happy post lunch hacking for sil2100
[12:13] <davmor2> ogra_: that'll be the tarball I just signed off then
[12:14] <davmor2> ogra_: I'm assuming it is because there is no silo
[12:14] <ogra_> ah !
[12:14] <davmor2> ogra_: hence there being no silo number in the annoying ping
[12:15] <davmor2> sil2100: ^^^^^^^^^^^^ fix it already ;)
[12:15] <davmor2> make the bad man stop
[12:17] <sil2100> uuuh
[12:17] <sil2100> What the fudge
[12:19] <sil2100> hmm, maybe now?
[12:20] <sil2100> It never had issues like that before
[12:22] <sil2100> Worst thing it doesn't say which one it means
[12:22] <sil2100> Will look at it once I finish cooking
[12:22] <rvr> jgdx: ping
[12:22] <jgdx> rvr, pong
[12:22] <rvr> jgdx: Silo 9
[12:22] <davmor2> sil2100: device tarball for krillin rtm
[12:22] <rvr> jdstrand: After sudo service ofono start, I run /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-contexts but I get a dbus error
[12:23] <rvr> Oops
[12:23] <rvr> jgdx: ^^
[12:23] <rvr> jdstrand: Sorry, that was for jgdx
[12:23] <jgdx> rvr, what's the error?
[12:23] <rvr> jgdx: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name :1.192 was not provided by any .service files
[12:23] <davmor2> sil2100: row 19
[12:23] <jgdx> rvr, what's the device you're using to test this?
[12:23] <rvr> jgdx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10706431/
[12:23] <rvr> jgdx: krillin
[12:25] <jgdx> rvr, weird. What's $ service ofono status # telling you?
[12:26] <rvr> $ service ofono status
[12:26] <rvr> ofono start/running, process 18858
[12:29] <rvr> Hmm.. I see nothing in the network indicator
[12:29] <rvr> Lots of crashes
[12:31] <jgdx> rvr, something might have crashed. I just tried this on mako and ofono start/stop works fine. Maybe restart and try again=
[12:32] <rvr> jgdx: Rebooting
[12:35] <rvr> jgdx: I have two entries in /var/lib/ofono, xxxx and xxxx-3. Last time I edited xxxx
[12:36] <jgdx> rvr, I don't think there's a gprs file in the xxxx-3 dir.
[12:36] <rvr> jgdx: Right, no gprs there
[12:37] <jgdx> rvr, could you paste the gprs file as it ends up?
[12:37] <rvr> jgdx: Crash again
[12:37] <jgdx> rvr, pm is fine
[12:38] <rvr> jgdx: service ofono start creates lots of crashes in krillin
[12:39] <rvr> jgdx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10706490/
[12:41] <jgdx> rvr, thanks. /me boots krillin
[12:41] <jgdx> jgdx, anyway, if that's what your gprs file looks like, you can reboot and test
[12:41] <jgdx> rvr, ^
[12:42] <jgdx> rvr, then add a custom context and confirm that it did not overwrite context1
[12:43] <jgdx> (assuming your testing the no-overwrite branch)
[12:46] <jgdx> trainguards, what's the best strategy for resolving this [1] conflict? I can't seem to jiggle either branch so they merge cleanly. [1] https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-rtm-landing-001-1-build/111/console
[13:07] <rvr> jgdx: How is a custom context added?
[13:08] <jgdx> rvr, System Settings -> Cellular -> Carrier -> APN -> Custom Context
[13:08] <rvr> jgdx: Ah, Custom APN
[13:09] <jgdx> rvr, aah yes. :)
[13:09] <rvr> jgdx: Ok, I added a custom Internet APN, now what?
[13:09] <sil2100> jgdx: hey! You can always make one of them the prerequisite of the other
[13:09] <jgdx> rvr, check that contex1 is fine and context2 is whatever you just added.
[13:09] <jgdx> sil2100, it is, though
[13:09] <sil2100> jgdx: and on the other one merge it in there, so that it's basically 'extending' that one
[13:09] <rvr> jgdx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10706650/
[13:10] <sil2100> jgdx: since if they're prereqs, then I suppose they should merge cleanly
[13:11] <jgdx> sil2100, right, that's a good clue. Thanks!
[13:11] <jgdx> rvr, that's how it's supposed to be. Thank you
[13:12] <sil2100> jgdx: the train doesn't do anything special, it takes one merge, applies, takes the second merge, applies - so if you modify the bzr branch of merge #2 to require a prerequisite of merge #1 and include merge #1 in it (base it on merge #1) then it should be all cool
[13:12] <sil2100> jgdx: yw!
[13:12] <rvr> jgdx: One stupid question. I edited the gprs file, doesn't it mean I modified the default APN of the SIM card?
[13:13] <dobey> rvr: hi
[13:13] <rvr> dobey: Hi
[13:14] <jgdx> rvr, yes it does. If you do $ /usr/share/ofono/scripts/remove-contexts # ofono will restore them on boot.
[13:14] <rvr> dobey: Let me remember why I chased you...
[13:14] <rvr> jgdx: Ah, great
[13:14] <jgdx> rvr, (or the next time it starts, but you had no such luck :P)
[13:15] <rvr> dobey: Ah, yes
[13:15] <rvr> dobey: pay-ui
[13:16] <dobey> right
[13:16] <rvr> dobey: I tested the click app in RTM. It's fine, except that the dialog got transparent.
[13:16] <dobey> rvr: only after cancelling and trying a second time?
[13:17] <davmor2> sil2100: you managed to stop the annoying bot \o/
[13:17] <rvr> dobey: When the bank confirmation page appears
[13:17] <dobey> rvr: right, but ToyKeeper had the same issue and was saying it only happens to her after the first time, and the first time it opens, it's fine
[13:18] <rvr> dobey: I clicked on the text box to enter the code, OSK popped up and also the confirmation dialog to keep the user there
[13:18] <rvr> dobey: I have an screenshot, wait
[13:19] <dobey> rvr: can you go to https://pay.ubuntu.com in the phone browser, and try to add the card there a couple times, to see if it has the same transparency issue?
[13:19] <rvr> dobey: http://people.canonical.com/~vrruiz/payui-transparent.png
[13:20] <jgdx> sil2100, I had a stale branch lying around. Updating it fixed it. sil+1
[13:20] <sil2100> jgdx: \o/ great to hear that :)
[13:20] <jgdx> :)
[13:21] <rvr> jgdx: Silo approved
[13:21] <dobey> rvr: right, i'm not quite sure how to replicate that issue here (i wasn't able to get an ap test which opens the dialog multiple times, to work).
[13:21] <jgdx> rvr, awesome. Thank you
[13:26] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: by the way device tarball on rtm is good :)
[13:27] <john-mcaleely> davmor2, excellent
[13:27] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, can I push it? ^ (device tarball, krillin, rtm)
[13:28] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: yes :) We already had a rootfs built, so no conflicts here
[13:28] <john-mcaleely> pushing now then
[13:28] <davmor2> sil2100: do we know if cwayne landed the custom tarball I've not heard back from him
[13:29] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, pushed
[13:29] <john-mcaleely> thank you davmor2 :-)
[13:29] <rvr> dobey: I'll try to check pay.ubuntu.com ASAP, but I'm checking another thing now
[13:29] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: sure :)
[13:30] <dobey> ok
[13:31] <dobey> rvr: maybe this is a weird bug in qml or the Ubuntu.Web component, because we're using the exact same dialogs that webbrowser-app is using (with only changes to add objectNames for autopilot, and using i18n.dtr to load the webbrowser-app translations for them)
[13:48] <seb128> sil2100, hey, is there a way to tag bugs on vivid that should probably be looked at/considered before switching rtm to vivid?
[13:48] <seb128> sil2100, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telephony-service/+bug/1436018 for example seems like on of those
[13:49] <sil2100> seb128: hey, we have some tag+subscriber combinations, but now it also needs to be included in PT's internal lists
[13:50] <sil2100> pmcgowan: hey! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telephony-service/+bug/1436018 looks like really a good vivid->rtm blocker candidate
[13:51] <seb128> sil2100, so the official way is "ping Pat"? ;-)
[13:58] <sil2100> seb128: normally I would just include it on our lt list, but I don't want to get our list out of sync with pmcgowan's list :)
[13:58] <sil2100> And since he's the person driving all of this right now, it's best to just include it in his list
[13:58] <sil2100> I can sync it back to our tracker later
[14:10] <pmcgowan> sil2100, ok will add to the list, another audio symptom for rsalveti maybe
[14:10] <rsalveti> hm, will check
[14:11] <rsalveti> might be because of the glibc issue
[14:11] <rsalveti> another bug from last week
[14:45] <charles> renatu, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/201608876/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.qtorganizer5-eds_0.1.1%2B15.04.20150330-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:45] <charles> renatu, event-test: FAIL!  : EventTest::testFloatingTime() Compared values are not the same
[14:56] <om26er> dbarth, Hi! for silo5, which TestPlan should be run except for verification of the fix ? The spreadsheet does not mention.
[15:10] <dbarth> om26er_: hi
[15:10] <om26er_> dbarth, hello
[15:11] <dbarth> om26er_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts, mostly the account creation / authorization parts
[15:11] <om26er_> renatu, I reported a bug for you, in the address-book. bug 1438254 :)
[15:12] <renatu> om26er_, thanks :D
[15:14] <om26er_> dbarth, alright, thanks
[15:41] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: hey, will cwayne be around today?
[15:42] <popey> sil2100:  are we having an evening call today, or is it cancelled?
[15:42] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, unknown. I believe he gets on a plane and transitions from EU to US
[15:42] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, so, email and hope
[15:42] <sil2100> popey: we have it today since I suppose robru is back
[15:42] <popey> ok
[15:42] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: ok, thanks :)
[15:42] <sil2100> bregma: hey!
[15:43] <sil2100> bregma: so, I assigned you a silo buuut...
[15:43] <bregma> ...
[15:43] <sil2100> bregma: the previous unity landing still didn't migrate, so not sure if you'll be able to build anything :|
[15:43] <sil2100> As the previous branches didn't land yet
[15:43] <sil2100> bregma: i.e. they're not merged into trunk
[15:44] <sil2100> bregma: it's in UNAPPROVED, waitihg for release team action
[15:44] <bregma> sil2100, you mean the 14.04 landing waiting for the SRU team?
[15:44] <sil2100> bregma: ...hah, ok, now I feel ashamed ;)
[15:44] <sil2100> bregma: scratch that!
[15:45] <bregma> or maybe kick the SRU team
[15:45] <sil2100> bregma: all is fine, damn, I'm so used to just publishing for the main series that I forget to even check that
[15:45] <bregma> no harm done
[15:59] <om26er_> mardy, Hi!
[16:00] <mardy> om26er_: hI!
[16:00] <om26er_> mardy, test password-query fails ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts
[16:00] <om26er_> mardy, instead of showing my password it shows Error 313
[16:01] <mardy> om26er_: do you have a link to the test handy?
[16:02] <om26er_> mardy, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts
[16:02] <om26er_> Test Case: ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/password-query
[16:04] <mardy> om26er_: in the System Settings, is Account Tester enabled under the account?
[16:05] <om26er_> mardy, yes, it is.
[16:05] <mardy> can you try toggling it off and on again?
[16:10] <om26er_> mardy, still does not work. I am going to try without the silo to see if its a regression
[16:11] <jibel> bfiller, Hey, is gallery-app in rtm ready for testing?
[16:12] <jibel> silo-004
[16:12] <bfiller> jibel: we found an issue with it, trying to fix
[16:14] <om26er_> mardy, good thing it happens without the silo as well
[16:15] <mardy> om26er_: sure it's a good thing? :-)
[16:15] <om26er_> mardy, relatively
[16:27] <mardy> om26er_: how often do you run these tests?
[16:28] <bfiller> sil2100: can you reconfigure rtm-004 please? no longer a sync silo but instead an MR
[16:28] <om26er_> mardy, whenever there is a new silo to land
[16:28] <sil2100> bfiller: sure
[16:32] <sil2100> dbarth: unapproved branches: https://code.launchpad.net/~online-accounts/signon-plugin-oauth2/packaging/+merge/249846 and https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/sync-monitor/re-authenticate/+merge/249254
[16:38] <rvr> cyphermox: ping
[16:39] <dbarth> sil2100: on it
[16:39] <dbarth> sil2100: btw; is there a way to force a compiler for a silo copy?
[16:40] <dbarth> sil2100: the oxide build from the other day turned out to have regressions because it takes gcc 4.8, not 4.9
[16:48] <sil2100> dbarth: oh
[16:48] <sil2100> dbarth: sadly this needs to be done packaging-wise
[16:48] <sil2100> We had a few projects where we had to force 4.9 and it was all done in the dependencies
[16:50] <cyphermox> rvr: hey
[16:51] <rvr> cyphermox: Hi
[16:51] <rvr> cyphermox: I'm testing silo 30
[16:51] <rvr> cyphermox: Took a walk and got a good list of hotspots. Some of them were out of range for sure.
[16:51] <rvr> cyphermox: Although some were gone.
[16:52] <cyphermox> out of range APs eventually time out and get removed, but it's not immediate, that's on purpose
[16:53] <robru> sil2100: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~robru/cupstream2distro/fix-race-condition/revision/967#cupstream2distro/silomanager.py this is all that's needed to allow reconfiguring to work, no exception needs to be raised ;-)
[16:53] <rvr> cyphermox: How long is the timeout?
[16:54] <cyphermox> between 20 seconds and a minute, I think
[16:54] <cyphermox> could be more
[16:55] <cyphermox> it's dependent on the scan delay, which varies
[16:55] <cyphermox> the rule is for last-seen to be at least > 3*scan delay, IIRC
[16:55] <rvr> I see
[16:55] <cyphermox> which can happen very quickly or I guess up to about 6 minutes
[16:56] <rvr> I think I spent longer than that, and the out of range hotspots were still listed
[16:56] <cyphermox> then it may have not been out of range
[16:56] <cyphermox> this is ridiculously hard to test and verify without doubt, unless you were to drive out to somewhere else
[16:57] <sil2100> robru: as mentioned, I'd personally like some code feedback to happen if calling save_config results in not saving the config ;)
[16:57] <om26er_> bfiller, looking at the comments, does that mean the bug[1] was actually in Ubuntu fonts famity ? [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1421812
[16:57] <cyphermox> you also can't follow whatever indicator-network says, you should look at nmcli dev wifi list
[16:57] <sil2100> Since normally after calling .save_config you'd expect everything saved, and for the future it's nice when a function informs you code-wise that the operation failed one way or another
[16:57] <robru> sil2100: well it logs pretty clearly that nothing was saved.
[16:58] <sil2100> robru: yes, but the jenkins job results in 'success'
[16:58] <bfiller> om26er_: it appears there is some difficultly rendering that font family at the speicified size
[16:58] <robru> sil2100: but yeah I'm going to make a second branch in a moment that makes it save anyway without clobbering the silo dirty state.
[16:58] <sil2100> robru: even though for instance then reconfigure failed, everything was a success, which is a flaw
[16:58] <bfiller> om26er_: not sure what is the actual underlying bug, we were simply able to work around it
[16:59] <sil2100> robru: the exception throwing was not part of the fix as it was just added to include a feedback about problems in save_config so that this wouldn't happen
[16:59] <robru> sil2100: yes, don't worry, I'm going to fix it so that it *does* save the config in all cases and you don't even need to worry about it not saving
[16:59] <sil2100> robru: excellent :)
[16:59] <robru> sil2100: just wanted to show you that it was just one-line to set the _mtime so that reconfigures would work
[17:00] <robru> which is what I should have done originally but overlooked that bit, sorry
[17:02] <sil2100> robru: no worries, actually my fix was also a one-liner ;) Just probably 'not the right way'
[17:02] <sil2100> + the exception code which I added to include reaction to future errors (which, as we discussed, is not entirely perfect)
[17:32] <dobey> hmm
[17:32] <dobey> looks like old stuff got pulled back into the spreadsheet
[17:41] <dobey> rvr: i see pay-ui is in the passed column in trello. should i go ahead and release it, or is there some more reliable way perhaps to make the transparency problem happen?
[17:42] <rvr> dobey: ToyKeeper marked the other silo as failed because of the transparency
[17:43] <dobey> rvr: it wasn't a silo at all then
[17:43] <rvr> dobey: A previous one
[17:43] <dobey> rvr: and jibel moved it to failed. i don't know why that was even made a trello card
[17:43] <ToyKeeper> dobey: The board tracks work beyond just silos.
[17:44] <rvr> ToyKeeper: What do you think?
[17:44] <dobey> rvr: no, there was no previous silo. i just asked you and ToyKeeper to test a click in irc, so i could make sure that i was going down the right path to pursue the fix
[17:44] <rvr> dobey: Sorry, no silo, but task/trello card/etc
[17:45] <ToyKeeper> I think if it works now, it sounds great.
[17:45] <dobey> it works, but rvr apparently has the transparency issue as well
[17:45] <rvr> ToyKeeper: dobey says that the problem must be somewhere in ubuntu-ui-toolkit or else
[17:45] <dobey> and i'm unable to replicate that issue in autopilot :(
[17:46] <dobey> i can only presume it's an issue with mir/qml/webbrowser-app (which provides Ubuntu.Web)
[17:46] <ToyKeeper> The feature may be a little surprising or confusing to people so it seems likely they might end up trying more than once in a single session.  In that case it'll get even more confusing when it shows up without its background layer.
[17:46] <dobey> as these dialogs are the exact same thing that webbrowser-app is using internally
[17:47] <rvr> dobey: Is it a javascript dialog?
[17:48] <dobey> rvr: it's the qml dialog which the browser opens in response to the javascript dialog APIs, yes
[17:49] <pmcgowan> sil2100, any idea whats up with silo 8 for rtm
[17:50] <rvr> alex-abreu: Have you ever seen a transparent dialog like this? http://people.canonical.com/~vrruiz/payui-transparent.png
[17:50] <sil2100> pmcgowan: it's built but the train has some issues tracking it properly, nothing too serious though... but dbarth poked me earlier and mentioned that the oxide-qt that's built there has some regressions due to being built against gcc 4.8 instead of 4.9
[17:50] <sil2100> pmcgowan: so it might require a re-build with the deps forcing 4.9
[17:51] <sil2100> At least that's what I understood from dbarth's earlier messages
[17:51] <robru> sil2100: yeah I had a peek at that, it looks like the diff in oxide is producing non-utf8 output. not sure how we can possibly handle that; you can't really autodetect encodings, and debdiff doesn't tell us the file encodings (worse, debdiff can mix encodings)
[17:53] <sil2100> robru: meh... yeah, this case seems troublesome
[17:59] <bzoltan_> rvr: Is there anything i could help with the UITK?
[18:00] <rvr> bzoltan_: We have a problem with a transparent dialog in pay-ui, and dobey wonders at which point of the stack the problem is http://people.canonical.com/~vrruiz/payui-transparent.png
[18:00] <sil2100> robru, slangasek: I'll be right there
[18:01] <rvr> bzoltan_: Of course, the dialog shouldn't be transparent. It is called from the javascript API, so oxide may be involved.
[18:02] <dobey> s/may be/is/ :)
[18:03] <slangasek> sil2100: ok, running late myself, ev is talking my ear off
[18:03] <dobey> well, more to the point, the dialogs are straight copies out of webbrowser-app, and we are using them with Ubuntu.Web using the same API that webbrowser-app uses to use them. so that it would be broken here, but not webbrowser-app would be surprising, unless there is some weird issue in qml or the toolkit or something
[18:03] <slangasek> ;)
[18:03]  * sil2100 still needs 5 more minutes
[18:10] <rvr> dobey: Then we need input from oSoMoN and/or alex-abreu
[18:15] <alex-abreu> rvr, mmmh no
[18:15] <alex-abreu> rvr, which silo?
[18:16] <dobey> alex-abreu: it's not a silo, it's a click package
[18:16] <alex-abreu> dobey, which click?
[18:16] <dobey> alex-abreu: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-click-builder-14.09-armhf/26/artifact/output/com.canonical.payui_15.01.120_armhf.click
[18:17] <dobey> alex-abreu: those dialogs are only used when adding a card or paying, and the bank sends you to a web page which has such dialogs, though.
[18:23] <alex-abreu> dobey, rvr  the transparent ui element dont seem to be related to the underlying webview bits ... must be something w/ the ui tk or underlying qml code
[18:26] <dobey> rvr: you can see this happen reliably?
[18:27] <dobey> rvr: can you edit /opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/users/phablet/com.canonical.payui/payui_payui.desktop and remove the "--transparent" option from the Exec= line, and then try again to see if you still have the issue?
[18:30] <om26er_> rsalveti, Hi!
[18:31] <rsalveti> om26er_: hey
[18:31] <om26er_> rsalveti, trying to understand the change in bug 1437065 -- links aside. Whats the difference between 'except fork' and 'except daemon' ?
[18:34] <rsalveti> om26er_: is how upstart tracks the daemon, basically with the previous one (expect daemon) you could never really call stop obexd
[18:34] <rsalveti> that would hang
[18:34] <rsalveti> with expect fork upstart is now tracking the right pid
[18:34] <rsalveti> and you can start/stop the service just fine
[18:36] <om26er_> rsalveti, ok, then. The change looks simple enough, unless starting obexd with parameters reveals some otherwise hidden bugs :)
[18:36] <rsalveti> om26er_: right, it should only be exposing a different set of folders
[18:36] <rsalveti> you can browse the multimedia related folders now after pairing with your desktop, for example
[18:36] <rsalveti> similar with the ones you get with mtp
[18:39] <om26er_> rsalveti, right. It works now.
[18:53] <rsalveti> om26er_: great
[18:53] <om26er_> rsalveti, I am not able to copy back things from device to the desktop over bluetooth.
[18:54] <rsalveti> om26er_: what happens?
[18:54] <om26er_> rsalveti, I can do that from the /tmp folder
[18:54] <rsalveti> you should be able to add/remove files with the multimedia folders the same way
[18:54] <om26er_> rsalveti, a dialog pops, says 'another operation in progress'
[18:54] <om26er_> rsalveti, I can add remove fine, yes. But can't copy stuff from the device to the desktop.
[18:55] <om26er_> Some permission issue ?
[18:55] <rsalveti> weird, wonder if there is indeed another operation going on
[18:55] <rsalveti> should be, let me check
[18:55] <rsalveti> om26er_: what are you using as your host?
[18:55] <rsalveti> 14.10?
[18:56] <om26er_> rsalveti, vivid
[18:56] <rsalveti> om26er_: yeah, get the same, weird
[18:56] <rsalveti> once I try that I can't do anything else anymore
[18:57] <rsalveti> wonder if the host side is not playing well when receiving files
[18:58] <rsalveti> yeah, that's probably the reason
[18:58] <om26er_> could be
[18:58] <rsalveti> om26er_: mind opening a new bug for that?
[18:58] <om26er_> rsalveti, whats the package, bluez ?
[18:59] <rsalveti> om26er_: obexd
[19:02] <rvr> dobey: Let me check
[19:05] <om26er_> rsalveti, bug 1438367
[19:06] <rsalveti> om26er_: thanks
[19:09] <rvr> cyphermox: Still there?
[19:17] <om26er_> rsalveti, I am not able to decide. Shall we wait for that bug to be fixed before landing silo 13 ?
[19:18] <rsalveti> om26er_: I'd say this is different because it's part of the new functionality that was added with this landing
[19:18] <rsalveti> so not a blocker for the landing itself
[19:18] <om26er_> rsalveti, obex is basically working one way with that bug
[19:18] <rsalveti> as copying/erasing from /tmp/ itself wasn't really supported
[19:19] <rsalveti> om26er_: the reality is, obex with file transfer wasn't even supposed to be supported
[19:19] <rsalveti> as we we need content-hub integration and etc
[19:19] <rsalveti> this is just a shortcut to allow users to at least copy stuff under those multimedia folders
[19:19] <rsalveti> but we can wait until I get to investigate this a bit more
[19:20] <rsalveti> it's for vivid anyway
[19:20] <cyphermox> rvr: yes
[19:20] <rvr> cyphermox: How can I check this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1431471
[19:21] <rvr> cyphermox: The hotspots eventually disappear, as you said :)
[19:21] <rsalveti> om26er_: so fine for it to be blocked by it, will try to get to that bug once I'm done with the RTM ones
[19:21] <om26er_> rsalveti, blocking the landing will ensure timely fix for that bug. And the user is really going to use vivid when we switch krillin to vivid by default
[19:22] <rsalveti> om26er_: yup, sounds good
[19:22] <om26er_> rsalveti, yeah
[19:22] <rsalveti> thanks for testing it
[19:40] <cyphermox> rvr: you need to copy /var/lib/ofono/<whatever IMSI> to another directory with a different name and make sure as it runs it picks always the right directory context -- you may want to ask awe_ about the full details, I think he told me he had an easy way to test this?
[19:53] <awe_> cyphermox, not sure what you need me to explain.  The bugs is pretty descriptive
[19:54] <awe_> rvr, are you seeing the same problem as the bug describes?
[19:54] <cyphermox> awe_: I thought you had said you had some easy way to setup a reproducer?
[19:55] <awe_> sure, just use two valid SIM cards on subsequent boots
[19:55] <awe_> and you can then look in syslog and watch NM try to use a SIM card that's no longer installed anymore
[19:55] <awe_> the bug is that NM doesn't check that various directories under /var/lib/ofono against the active SIM card
[19:56] <robru> awe_: when you get a sec, can you test out the citrain tool fix in https://code.launchpad.net/~robru/phablet-tools/stupid-printf/+merge/254180 ?
[19:56] <awe_> it should only ever try the contexts associated with inserted SIMs
[19:56] <awe_> robru, sure
[19:56] <awe_> love the branch name
[19:57] <robru> heh
[20:00] <awe_> robru, reviewed... would you like me to top-approve as well?
[20:00] <dobey> rvr: did you get to check pay-ui with that change? thanks
[20:01] <robru> awe_: ah, just did
[20:01] <awe_> ok
[20:03] <rvr> dobey: I'm checking, had to reflash the phone
[20:04] <dobey> ok
[20:16] <rvr> dobey: Same problem
[20:17] <rvr> dobey: The trick is this: the OSK is opened
[20:17] <rvr> dobey: If I close the OSK, the dialog gets opaque
[20:19] <dobey> rvr: oh, that is quite weird
[20:19] <dobey> rvr: that indeed sounds like a toolkit problem then :(
[20:19] <rvr> I recorded a video, uploading it
[20:20] <dobey> i guess it doesn't like having multiple transparent layers, and for some reason the keyboard isn't going away when the dialog opens
[20:27] <rvr> dobey: http://people.canonical.com/~vrruiz/payui-transparent.mp4
[20:28] <alecu> alesage: thanks!
[20:28] <alesage> alecu, just doin' my job
[20:31] <rvr> bzoltan_: Do you think this can be a ubuntu-ui-toolkit problem? http://people.canonical.com/~vrruiz/payui-transparent.mp4
[20:32] <dobey> rvr: woah, it's pushed the background off the screen
[20:34] <dobey> rvr: yeah, i'm even more certain now, that is an issue outside the scope of pay-ui's control
[20:36] <rvr> dobey: Ok, you have QA sign off for this pay-ui version, but be sure to push for a fix for that, because right now only affects pay-ui (AFAIK).
[20:37] <dobey> rvr: it affects webbrowser-app too
[20:37] <dobey> i will try to make a simple test html for it though and file a bug
[20:37] <rvr> dobey: I am opening a bug, an I'll post the video there
[20:37] <dobey> ok, if you wish
[20:37] <dobey> i'll add my test to that bug then
[20:52] <rvr> dobey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/pay-ui/+bug/1438419
[20:53] <dobey> rvr: ok
[20:54] <rvr> Time to rest, see you tomorrow


[00:01] <StevenK> wgrant: Bwahahaha
[01:37]  * StevenK stabs buildbot
[01:50] <nigelb> wgrant: Maybe you are the monitoring :)
[01:50] <nigelb> I'm contemplating writing a vagrant script for LP.
[01:50] <nigelb> So that it spins up a virtual machine in one command.
[01:51] <nigelb> Because I'm lazy.
[01:51] <nigelb> StevenK: A local python job posting wanted "experience with Launchpad"
[01:55] <StevenK> Haha
[01:55] <nigelb> I was tempted to apply and ask if my "experience" was sufficient ;-)
[02:04] <lifeless> nigelb: elliot wrote one.
[02:04] <nigelb> lifeless: oh. Is it around somwhere?
[02:05] <lifeless> dunno
[02:14] <rick_h_> lifeless: around? Want to check on the info I should be looking into with rt combo loader/convoy?
[02:16] <lifeless> -> ops
[03:46] <statik> nigelb, lifeless: the vagrant script I wrote didn't actually bring up LP, it was when I was experimenting with the microservice stuff
[03:46] <statik> some good docs here though https://speakerdeck.com/u/mitchellh/p/develop-and-test-configuration-management-scripts-with-vagrant
[03:47] <nigelb> ah!
[03:49] <wallyworld_> StevenK: around?
[03:57] <lifeless> nigelb: in NZ now?
[03:57] <lifeless> statik: o/ wotcha. Off the boat now?
[03:59] <nigelb> lifeless: not yet :)
[03:59] <nigelb> I hope I get to NZ in time for kiwipycon.
[04:02] <lifeless> cool
[04:02] <lifeless> I might get to entertain you then :)
[04:02] <nigelb> I heard :)
[04:03] <StevenK> wallyworld_: Was noming. What's up?
[04:03] <wallyworld_> StevenK: i think there's a 2nd issue with the change to bug info type in the privacy portlet but i wanted a 2nd opinion
[04:04] <wallyworld_> the issue is that we are now calling the transitionToInfoType api directly
[04:04] <wallyworld_> but previously the view would have been used via a post
[04:04] <wallyworld_> and the view would have published a change event
[04:04] <wallyworld_> but we don't do that now
[04:04] <wallyworld_> and in fact, the non js version does use the view so does do the event
[04:05] <wallyworld_> am i missing something?
[04:05] <StevenK> Which event?
[04:05] <wallyworld_> ObjectModifiedEvent
[04:05] <StevenK> That should be fired via the JS calls transitionToInformationType over the API
[04:06] <wallyworld_> i couldn't see where in transitionToInformationType it was fired
[04:06] <StevenK> It isn't
[04:06] <StevenK> It's done in the LAZR machinery
[04:06] <wallyworld_> oh, so the api layer fires the event?
[04:06] <StevenK> Yah
[04:06] <wallyworld_> ah, ok. makes sense now. thanks
[04:07] <wallyworld_> i didn;t realise the lazr stuff didi that
[04:07] <statik> lifeless: yep, back in real life, finishing up an 18-hour first day on the new job :)
[04:07] <lifeless> enjoying it ?
[04:07] <StevenK> wallyworld_: Neither did I, until I figured out why the heck I was getting two visibility change events for a bug.
[04:07] <statik> yeah man I love the firehose feeling at the start of a project
[04:08] <wallyworld_> StevenK: ah yeah, i do recall that now
[04:13]  * StevenK stabs buildbot and sets it on fire.
[04:14] <lifeless> statik: nice. And you said it was rails ?
[04:15] <StevenK> building
[04:15] <StevenK> ETA in
[04:15] <StevenK> ~ 6 hrs 53 mins
[04:15] <spm> heya statik!
[04:16] <StevenK> Really, buildbot? REALLY?
[05:05] <huwshimi> Why do I get the feeling Launchpad is not playing nice with my virtualhosts
[05:09] <StevenK> wgrant, wallyworld_: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/no-proprietary-multi-pillar-bug-vocab/+merge/113149
[05:11] <wallyworld_> StevenK: do you need both context and IBug.providedBy(context) or does providedBy error on being passed None?
[05:12] <StevenK> wallyworld_: IBug.providedBy(None) returns False, so I'll drop the first bit
[05:12] <wallyworld_> StevenK: i'd replace 'PROPRIETARY' in the test by InformationType.PROPRIETARY.value or whatever the correct expr is
[05:13] <StevenK> wallyworld_: How? It isn't there!
[05:13] <StevenK> I'm trying to look it up by the token
[05:13] <wallyworld_> sure but you can get the token from the enum
[05:14] <StevenK> wallyworld_: The existing test for proprietary_information_type.disabled uses PROPRIETARY
[05:14] <wallyworld_> you mean 'PROPRIETARY' with the ''?
[05:14] <StevenK> Yup
[05:14] <wallyworld_> ok then
[05:15] <wallyworld_> StevenK: i'd also simplify the if statement for the proprieryary_allowed, i don't think it adds much value having 2 booleans
[05:15] <StevenK> wallyworld_: We need them. The first one is backed onto the feature flag
[05:16] <StevenK> It will be simplified when proprietary_information_type.disabled dies
[05:16] <wallyworld_> so why no 'if not proprietary_disabled and IBug.providedBy(context)....'
[05:16] <wallyworld_> not
[05:16] <StevenK> Oh
[05:16] <StevenK> I get it
[05:17] <wallyworld_> just a thought since it's verbose with the extra boolean and it reads ok without i think
[05:18] <StevenK> wallyworld_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1072538/
[05:18] <StevenK> It reads better against -r submit:, but meh
[05:19] <wallyworld_> i think it's not quite right?
[05:19] <StevenK> The test passes
[05:20] <wallyworld_> ah, i missed the () around the 2nd bit
[05:21] <StevenK> I'm looking forward to display_userdata_as_private.enabled dying, the vocab will shrink in the wash remarkably.
[05:21] <wallyworld_> i think it will read better without the (). if not proprietary_disabled or not IBug.providedBy(context) or len(context.bugtasks) < 2
[05:22] <StevenK> wallyworld_: That will cause PROPRIETARY to leak
[05:22] <wallyworld_>  it's meant to the equivalent to your condition, but with the () removed
[05:23] <wallyworld_> i think i have an or where i want an and
[05:23] <wallyworld_> whatever works
[05:24] <StevenK> wallyworld_: So I'm going to need brackets anyway, since there is a line break in the middle
[05:24] <wallyworld_> yeah, maybe put the () bit on the second line
[05:24] <wallyworld_> so it's all together
[05:24] <StevenK> if not proprietary_disabled and not (
[05:24] <StevenK>     IBug.providedBy(context) and
[05:25] <StevenK> Sigh
[05:25] <StevenK>     IBug.providedBy(context) and len(context.bugtasks) > 1):
[05:25] <StevenK> That will likely cause wgrant to murder me.
[05:26] <wallyworld_> if not proprietary_disabled and
[05:26] <wallyworld_> not(....)
[05:27] <wallyworld_> whatever you feel is best, i don't mind
[05:28] <wallyworld_> r=me anyway
[05:29] <StevenK> wallyworld_: Did you notice me fixing your test? :-)
[05:29] <wallyworld_> oh, didn't realise it was my test. thans :-)
[05:29] <StevenK> wallyworld_: I thought test_vocabulary_items_project was yours
[05:30] <wallyworld_> it may have been
[05:30] <wallyworld_> probably was
[05:30] <wallyworld_> i just can't recall right at the moment
[05:30] <wallyworld_> my head is stuck in info type js mollasis
[05:31] <wgrant> StevenK: Wrong
[05:32] <wgrant> StevenK: The bugtask count isn't relevant -- it's the number of distinct pillars that matters.
[05:32] <StevenK> wgrant: Ah, so I need .affected_pillars
[05:37] <StevenK> wallyworld_: http://imgur.com/gallery/L29C6
[05:38] <wallyworld_> StevenK: lol. i had heard about a google streetview car crashing
[05:49] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1072565/ is more to your liking?
[06:15] <wgrant> StevenK: Something like that, yeah
[06:17] <StevenK> ssl.SSLError: [Errno 8] _ssl.c:504: EOF occurred in violation of protocol
[06:17] <StevenK> zsh: exit 1     ec2 land --no-qa
[06:17] <StevenK> Blink
[06:32] <huwshimi> Someone please approve this: https://code.launchpad.net/~huwshimi/launchpad-news-wordpress-theme/hold-me-back-im-fixing-the-type/+merge/113159
[06:35]  * huwshimi is ducking out for a minute, will be back later
[07:17] <adeuring> good morning
[09:00] <mgz> gmb: where was yellow's launchpad kanban updating script?
[09:01] <gmb> mgz lp:lp2kanban.
[09:01] <mgz> ta
[09:09] <czajkowski> maxb: gmb morning
[09:09] <gmb> Morning czajkowski.
[09:11] <czajkowski> gmb: hows things up north
[09:11] <czajkowski> is it grimm and wet like London :/
[09:12] <gmb> czajkowski, That's what we call "summer"
[09:12] <gmb> But I can spot a teeny tiny bit of blue sky
[09:12] <gmb> So all is not lost.
[09:18] <maxb> czajkowski: a bit grey today, I suppose, but Saturday was lovely at least :-)
[09:18] <czajkowski> maxb: lets hope it's nice this Saturday too :)
[09:28] <jam> gmb: you're on-call today? I think mgz has 3 nice-and-tiny branches up for review if you feel like starting off easy
[09:30] <gmb> jam, I'll take a look presently. Thanks for the heads-up.
[09:30] <jam> (I'm trying to see if I can get a clean run on precise today on my desktop, we're pretty close)
[09:30] <gmb> Awesome
[09:30] <jam> well, it won't happen *today* given the commit queue, but something like that.
[09:31] <gmb> jam Incidentally, when run in parallel, I said we only ran 1800 tests. That's not true; it's just that buildbot only _reports_ that many tests. We ran 18,000. So the stream is broken again somewhere.
[09:31] <gmb> Haven't had chance to try looking into it yet though.
[09:31] <jam> gmb: joy... but i'm glad to hear that the test suite is running without hanging/etc.
[09:31] <gmb> Indeed
[09:32] <mgz> reminds me, I haven't checked what subunit does with NUL characters yet
[09:32] <mgz> I don't think it minds.
[09:34] <lifeless> binary safe stream
[09:34] <lifeless> particularly if you are using the chunk serialiser
[09:34] <lifeless> (which LP is)
[10:36] <gmb> mgz, Approved all your branches.
[10:38] <mgz> ta... will have to create these cards in the next lane then :)
[10:50]  * gmb -> afk for an appointment
[10:50] <danilos> gmb, hi, I wonder if you can please ec2 submit https://code.launchpad.net/~danilo/launchpad/bug-1000642-drop/+merge/112306 for me (stub submitted it but it seems to have failed with something unrelated to the branch: https://pastebin.canonical.com/69307/)
[10:50] <danilos> damn, bad timing :)
[10:50] <rick_h_> danilos: I can take a peek
[10:50] <danilos> rick_h_, thanks
[11:02] <rick_h_> danilos: ok, off to ec2 land
[11:10] <danilos> rick_h_, ta
[12:32] <cjwatson> gmb,rick_h_: Might an OCR be able to have a look over https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/queue-api-readonly/+merge/113202 ?
[12:32] <cjwatson> Extracted from a previous much bigger branch.
[12:32] <rick_h_> cjwatson: looking up
[12:32] <cjwatson> Still 920 lines, oops, I thought it would be a bit shorter than that.
[12:34] <cjwatson> I can split it up further if I have to.  This seems like a fairly reasonable logical chunk though.
[12:34] <rick_h_> ok, will take a peek. I'll feel better knowing it could have been worse :)
[12:35] <cjwatson> The original was 1647
[13:27] <rick_h_> cjwatson: r=me with two points to bring up
[13:30] <cjwatson> rick_h_: Thanks.  Do you think len() is preferable there then?  It was within the same object so I figured the "privacy" (insofar as Python has any) didn't matter.
[13:30] <rick_h_> cjwatson: yea, especially since you changed the other cases, it's one part consistant at that point as well
[13:30] <cjwatson> len(self.sources) will involve constructing a concrete list, although maybe that doesn't matter since it's short and will be cached.
[13:31] <rick_h_> I guess when I wrote the point I initially wondered if you were doing that to avoid the cache
[13:31] <rick_h_> but then didn't seem like it so figured if you were going to use/go through the cache everyone should
[13:31] <cjwatson> Fair
[13:32] <rick_h_> to avoid one method saying one thing "there's 2 here" but the cache not saying that
[13:32] <cjwatson> #245 was a drive-by what-I-thought-was-a-bug-fix, but I can't prove off the top of my head that it's correct so how about I just drop it - it's not required as part of this branch
[13:32] <rick_h_> not that I see a bug with mix matched results/etc but just letting you know where my brain's at reading it
[13:32] <cjwatson> Yeah
[13:33] <rick_h_> yea, sorry I'm just not all a pro enough at this and chaning r/o on stuff makes me want to find a list of people writing to it to make sure no one is
[13:33] <cjwatson> Not a problem
[13:34] <deryck> adeuring, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3ac5f6358bc446e2018dedac8a0d188891410910?authuser=0&hl=en
[14:52] <adeuring> rick_h_: could you please review this MP: https://code.launchpad.net/~adeuring/lazr.jobrunner/bug-1015667/+merge/113228?
[14:53] <rick_h_> adeuring: sure thing
[14:57] <rick_h_> abentley: didn't you do some magic to look at the queue payload without pulling it out of the queue?
[14:59] <abentley> rick_h_: Yes, you basically just read the queue without confirming that you've read the messages.  It's the core of from lazr.jobrunner.celerytask import list_queued, and abel's already looked at it.
[15:00] <rick_h_> ok, so my thing with this is that the function is called 'inspect-queue' which seems innocous, but it clears things.
[15:00] <rick_h_> should it stick things back on the queue?
[15:01] <adeuring> rick_h_: well... the fact that the messages are gone can be a positive side effect
[15:01] <adeuring> in our case
[15:01] <rick_h_> right, I understand in our use case, but I'm looking at this from the outside as someone who gets this package and tries to use it
[15:02] <rick_h_> would clear-queues be better?
[15:02] <rick_h_> at least then someone coming along would be a bit more hesitant to run the command
[15:02] <adeuring> rick_h_: ok, makes sense
[15:04] <rick_h_> adeuring: ok r=me with naming clarification. Thanks.
[15:04] <adeuring> rick_h_: thanks!
[15:04] <abentley> rick_h_: It's mystifying to me that drain_queues(retain=True) doesn't work, but abel says it doesn't.
[15:05] <rick_h_> abentley: yea, I'm not tinkered with any of this so taking that stuff at face value as far as review goes.
[15:11] <rick_h_> abentley: is there some way to tell what the local branch name was from a branch pushed to LP?
[15:12] <abentley> rick_h_: The branch nick in the revisions defaults to the last component of the path.
[15:13] <rick_h_> right, but I pushed it to a manual name and don't have that branch locally so I must have messed up and been on an existing branch
[15:13] <rick_h_> now in the confusion can't tell where the changes I made yesterday are :/
[15:14] <abentley> rick_h_: Pushing it up to a manual name is not going to change the branch nicks in the revisions.
[15:15] <ivory> rick_h_: could you take a look at this?  https://code.launchpad.net/~ivo-kracht/launchpad/bug-921901/+merge/113234
[15:15] <abentley> rick_h_: "bzr log --long -l1 lp:$BRANCHNAME" should tell you the last path component of the branch.
[15:15] <rick_h_> ty much abentley
[15:23] <rick_h_> ivory: I'm not following the bug that you're fixing here. When I look at the current live site, the tag links match what the bug says they should.
[15:24] <rick_h_> ivory: what was the difference in the generated urls you altered?
[15:27] <ivory> rick_h_: as i understand it they should link to a project group
[15:28] <rick_h_> ivory: so I'm seeing: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1073255/
[15:29] <rick_h_> the only difference I can see is there's a trailing / in the "Should be" urls
[15:31] <ivory> rick_h_: thats weird because i'm at launchpad/+bugs/... if i click on a tag
[15:31] <ivory> instead of launchpad-project/+bugs/...
[15:32] <rick_h_> oh oh ok, I was looking at the tags in the sidebar, not in the buglisting themselves
[15:32] <rick_h_> I don't have those enabled by default in my buglisting so missed the reference.
[15:33] <ivory> ah ok i should have said that they must be enabled
[15:34] <rick_h_> naw, my fault "bug column tags" should have been my clue
[15:34] <rick_h_> thanks, anyway, reviewing right now :)
[15:35] <rick_h_> ivory: r=me
[15:48] <adeuring> rick_h_: another review. please: https://code.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/bug-1015667/+merge/113245
[15:49] <rick_h_> if ! tmux has-session -t coms; then tmux new-session -s coms -n email -d mutt \; new-window -n irc -d "ssh db"
[15:49] <rick_h_> fi
[15:49] <rick_h_> adeuring: on it
[15:49] <rick_h_> oops
[15:49] <adeuring> rick_h_: thanks!
[15:53] <rick_h_> adeuring: r=me
[15:53] <adeuring> rick_h_: thanks again!
[16:31] <yaguang> hi,all
[16:31] <yaguang> I am installing launchpad  in my local envirenment
[16:32] <yaguang> now everything works well except for mail serivces
[16:32] <yaguang> all mail are send to localhost
[16:32] <yaguang> so the user can not receive any  mail notifications
[16:33] <yaguang> i have installed postfix  and mailman
[16:33] <yaguang> and  i can send mail by using the CLI mail  tool
[16:33] <yaguang> can any one help me  on configing mail
[16:43] <yaguang> any one?
[16:49] <sinzui> yaguang, the development instance is  not designed to send out emails
[16:50] <sinzui> yaguang, Lp distributed version is for testing and development so it is does not provide the entire Lp stack and configuration needed to run for production use.
[16:50] <yaguang> so if I like to deployment a local launchpad  just the same as  https://launchpad.net
[16:51] <yaguang> shouldn't  I use  a development  branch ?
[16:51] <yaguang> is it ?
[16:52] <sinzui> I think this is just a config issue, but I do not know what must be set. yaguang the files under lib/canonical are not free. You need to replace the images to run the instance for any non-testing use
[16:52] <sinzui> yaguang, everything under lib/lp is free to change and distribute
[16:53] <yaguang> thanks
[16:54] <yaguang> now  I see all mail is send to  localhost
[16:54] <sinzui> yaguang, There are 2 kinds of config in each dir under ./configs
[16:55] <sinzui> the zcml sets up zope services, of which mail might belong. there is also a -lazr.conf file that sets most of the host names and certainly knows about email
[16:57] <yaguang> the mail header now is like this
[16:57] <yaguang> From root@localhost  Fri Jun 29 05:42:06 2012
[16:57] <yaguang> X-Original-To: root@localhost
[16:57] <yaguang> MIME-Version: 1.0
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[16:58] <yaguang> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 05:42:04 -0000
[16:58] <yaguang> From: Launchpad Bug Tracker<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:58] <yaguang> To<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:58] <yaguang> Reply-To: Bug 21<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:58] <_mup_> Bug #21: "Display Settings:" "untranslated" shows translated entries <lp-translations> <Launchpad itself:Fix Released by carlos> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/21 >
[16:58] <yaguang> Sender<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:47] <rick_h_> jcsackett: heh so spoke too soon, these tests in test_distroseriesdifferences are going to need some updates for wait()/timing issues.
[18:04] <jcsackett> rick_h_: well damn.
[18:04] <rick_h_> jcsackett: just a heads up since you were asking about it. I've filed an XXX and will try to get back to it, but a bit much atm.
[18:12] <jcsackett> dig.
[20:51] <sinzui> jcsackett, do you have time for a talk?
[20:52] <jcsackett> sinzui: sure. give me a moment to find a google+ compatible device. :-)
[21:00] <jcsackett> sinzui: had a few flubs, hangout started now
[21:01]  * sinzui no see you
[21:01] <jcsackett> it's telling me you're not online.
[21:02]  * sinzui restarts
[21:03] <sinzui> Well I see a whole lot of black screen after I joined your hangout
[21:03] <jcsackett> huh.
[21:03] <jcsackett> i'm not even in a hangout now.
[21:03]  * jcsackett bummed that in the 21st century video chat still involves so much faffing about.
[21:03] <sinzui> I just got that message
[21:04] <sinzui> create another hangout and I will poll for it
[21:06] <jcsackett> ok.
[22:04] <wallyworld_> wgrant: sinzui: http://people.canonical.com/~ianb/enhanced-newteam-picker.png
[23:42] <Bert_2> Hi, on https://dev.launchpad.net/Running/LXC it says that the usage of 12.04 is highly adviced, however the command to create the lxc container has lucid and not precise in it, is this a mistake ?
[23:45] <StevenK> The host should be precise, the container should be lucid
[23:45] <Bert_2> StevenK: could you tell me why the container is best to be lucid ?
[23:45] <StevenK> Because the production environment of Launchpad is still lucid for the time being.
[23:46] <Bert_2> I see, perfect
[23:52] <StevenK> wgrant: Getting confused -- I want to check getUtility(IAccessArtifactGrant).findByArtifact([self], [user]) , or am I missing something?
[23:53] <StevenK> wallyworld_: Your QA for r15542 is up.
[23:54] <wgrant> StevenK: That will check artifact grants for that user, ignoring team memberships and policy grants. It is useless for access checks.
[23:56] <StevenK> wgrant: I couldn't figure what the heck IBug.userCanView() was calling, I got to bugtasksearch and went cross-eyed.
[23:57] <wgrant> StevenK: get_bug_privacy_filter
[23:58] <StevenK> Ah
[23:58] <wgrant> You can see what the job does.
[23:58] <Bert_2> I am for some reason not able to login to the newly created lxc container, not with ubuntu ubuntu or my regular login (which I get from ldap), is this normal ?
[23:59] <wgrant> Bert_2: lxc-create copies the system user across by default. If it has no local password that's probably not going to work well.


[12:25] <cmaloney> BTW MUG Meeting tonight (http://mug.org)
[12:26] <cmaloney> We're going to be remote for the forseeable future so if you've wanted to come to a meeting this is as good a time as any. ;)
[14:13] <cmaloney> http://n-gate.com/hackernews/2020/09/07/0/
[14:32] <Scary_Guy> lol, I've read all of that.  Funny site though and I like how they put hacker in quotes.
[14:33] <Scary_Guy> My favorite client is still materialistic for android.
[14:33] <Scary_Guy> Though it could use some updating
[14:35] <Scary_Guy> I didn't see this mentioned though.  I thought it was big news https://linuxreviews.org/%22Linusgate%22_Leaked:_Over_250_Messages_About_Code_of_Conduct_Complaints_Against_Linus_Torvalds
[14:49] <cmaloney> I'm sure there's a point in there but damned if I can find it
[17:32] <brian__> Does anyone know what might prevent a program run as a user cron job from playing sound to the ALSA driver?
[17:32] <brian__> The program in question works just fine when run from the terminal.
[17:32] <jrwren> env vars
[17:33] <brian__> Ok, thanks. I need to go spelunking through my env to see what might be missing, then. *sigh*
[17:35] <brian__> The odd thing is that it used to work, meaning something changed in my setup since then.
[17:37] <cmaloney> brian__: Also could be that ALSA is locked by another process
[17:41] <brian__> It's looking like env vars. Running bash with an empty env gets me "Connection refused" and "Inappropriate ioctl for device" messages.
[17:42] <cmaloney> Does it work from cron when you're logged in?
[17:43] <brian__> No.
[17:43] <jrwren> what app?
[17:43] <cmaloney> how are you opening the sound device / executing th is? :)
[17:43] <jrwren> mpg123 or something?
[17:44] <brian__> paplay from the pulseaudio-utils package.
[17:45] <cmaloney> paplay to the alsa device?
[17:47] <brian__> The actual program is grandfatherclock. I initially thought it was going straight to ALSA when I glanced at the config file, but it's actually calling paplay which then tries to play a .au sound file to Pulse audio.
[17:48] <cmaloney> ah, OK
[17:48] <cmaloney> So it's not alsa, but more likely pulseaudio
[17:48] <brian__> Yes.
[17:49] <cmaloney> is it a system-wide pulseaudio or pulseaudio that's started by your user?
[17:49] <cmaloney> If it's Ubuntu then you likely have two pulseaudio daemons running
[17:49] <cmaloney> one for lightdm and one for your user
[17:50] <brian__> My user.
[17:50] <brian__> I just see the one.
[17:50] <brian__> Ok, that makes sense, then.
[17:50] <cmaloney> you might have some luck adding "--verbose" to see what it's trying to run
[17:51] <cmaloney> because pulseaudio tries to smooth over a lot of crap happening at the soundcard level
[17:52] <cmaloney> The "connection refused" is likely that the daemon isn't running
[17:52] <cmaloney> the inappropriate ioctl makes me wonder what device it's trying to run against, and if it's actually trying some odd fallback or something
[17:52] <cmaloney> but --verbose should give you more details on what its doing.
[17:52] <cmaloney> Good luck!
[17:52] <brian__> You're right, I don't think it is. top tells me that pulseaudiop is being run with the --daemonize=no options.
[17:53] <cmaloney> That's likely the gdm version
[17:53] <brian__> I'm running KDE.
[17:53] <cmaloney> erm, whatever KDE does then. ;)
[17:54] <cmaloney> check the user that its running against
[17:55] <brian__> It's running as my user.
[17:57] <jrwren> what about PULSE_SERVER envvar?
[17:57] <brian__> Not defined.
[18:00] <jrwren> what does pax11publish or xprop -root PULSE_SERVER say?
[18:00] <brian__> not found
[18:01] <jrwren> no pax11publish command? hrmf.
[18:01] <brian__> I have it. It just doesn't print anything.
[18:02] <brian__> And now I've messed everything up. My KDE volume control widget is no longer recognizing the ouput device (Pulse Audio).
[18:04] <brian__> I'm going to log out and log back in to try getting KDE's Pulse Audio config to work again.
[18:45] <brian__> Finally got it. I needed to configure pulseaudio to set up a unix socket that clients can use.
[18:46] <cmaloney> Ah, cool
[18:46] <cmaloney> Glad it got sorted
[22:41] <cmaloney> https://octodon.social/@craigmaloney/104831655861756082


 I would also like to establish some sort of audit log so there's no more "what did Simon f*ck up this time?!?" XD
[00:02] <wxl> and instead we can say "oh so THAT'S what Simon f'd up this time!"
 Exactly!
[00:04] <wxl> well that would be a relief :)
[03:49] <wxl> can someone used to multiple keyboard layouts look deeper into this? https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/lubuntu-19-10-lxqt-cannot-change-keyboard-layout-shortcuts-not-working/507
 Does throwing my keyboard at the wall count as another layout?
[03:54] <wxl> only one way to find out
[05:33] <wxl> @kc2bez any reason not to push D64 through? i have every amount of faith in you :)
[08:46] <kc2bez> wxl: it should be good, I just like the sanity check.
[08:47] <kc2bez> Sorry I fell asleep on you last night.
[08:47] <kc2bez> early starts during at work this week.
[08:47] <kc2bez> many wow
[08:48] <kc2bez> let me try that again. early start at work all week
 @kc2bez you free now for next hour or so?
[08:49] <kc2bez> getting ready to head to work
 I will quickly update rMETA so that we have changes in the latest iso which will be ready in 2 hours from now
 Think you can check and sponsor it? @kc2bez
[08:52] <kc2bez> go ahead and update when you get a chance. I might be able to check it before then.
 k.
 Is the software-properties driver tab still working OK for lubuntu?
 haven't tested something with proprietary drivers in a while
 saw this comment on a bug about the KDE one, that suggests Qt version might be broken now … https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-driver-manager/+bug/1853804/comments/6
 assuming they mean software-properties-qt by that
 @lynorian [haven't tested something with proprietary drivers in a while], +1
 I'll try the live session in Virtualbox later. That should flag up 'innotek virtualbox' stuff if detection is working
[09:58] <The_LoudSpeaker> @kc2bez running the ./update script now. It is downloading some packages But it takes them from archive.ubuntu.com. Is there a way to make it use local server?
 I am not sure you would necessarily want to do that due to possible sync issues.
[10:12] <The_LoudSpeaker> makes sense
[10:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> @kc2bez https://phab.lubuntu.me/D67
[10:29] <The_LoudSpeaker> you have 30 mins approx
[10:29] <The_LoudSpeaker> before new iso is created.
 Oh my that is a bunch of removes. It does look to be all i386 related but I think we should have @tsimonq2 or wxl give a peek at this too.
 wxl: is asleep AFAIK.
 I would imagine.
 @tsimonq2 also I suppose
 I normally would be too
 Lite.  It does look to be all i386 related but I thin …], Those removes were the reason it took this much time to me. I ran the script twice(2nd time in a fresh clone) to make sure.
 The first run was after a git pull in a clone I made before returning home.
 It makes sense that it is removed but at the same time I wouldn't mind the double check.
[10:40] <The_LoudSpeaker> yup!
[10:42] <The_LoudSpeaker> so since it is not in rMETA and only in rSEED, would that mean that grub-theme would be only in live image and won't get installed while installing from it?
 @kc2bez [It makes sense that it is removed but at the same time I wouldn't mind the doubl …], You didn't pull the latest lubuntu-meta source
 That is why
 @kc2bez There is this change which you don't have: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/20.04.3
 I have pushed Adam's change to git
 oh, it was @The_LoudSpeaker making the change!
 Yes, I was just on as a reviewer.
 @RikMills [saw this comment on a bug about the KDE one, that suggests Qt version might be b …], In my system software-properties-qt works ok (20.04)
 Thanks for looking at it @RikMills
 @RikMills software-properties-kde also
 could it be software-properties-gtk?
 anyway, software-properties-gtk also works ok in my system, 20.04 on virtualbox
 I think they are just mistaken to be honest, as I don't see how what they say could happen.
 Just wanted to check. Thanks :)
 @RikMills [Just wanted to check. Thanks :)], thanks to you. However, if update-xapian-index solved the issue, maybe there are some maintenance task needed to be done. It says the installation was from 17.10 media.
 My guess would be coincidence rather than cause and effect
[12:45] <theloudspeaker> I was pinged? @RikMills
 @theloudspeaker [<theloudspeaker> I was pinged? @RikMills], Yes, your lubuntu-meta diff
[12:46] <theloudspeaker> Landed?
 no
 @theloudspeaker [<theloudspeaker> Landed?], No, it was wrong, as the lubuntu git repo was out of date with the archive
[12:47] <theloudspeaker> yup! I just read your comment on phab.
[12:48] <theloudspeaker> I will do it again tonight.
 :)
[12:48] <theloudspeaker> And drop the current one in a sec.
[12:50] <theloudspeaker> Abandoned.
[12:51] <theloudspeaker> Wonder why abandoned has an icon of a flight? @tsimonq2 ?
 I'm chaning the update-notifier nag time from 1 hour to 1 day, the changelog should change from 0.1 to 0.2 ?? or 0.1ubuntu1 ?
 or there is no need to?
 My instinct tells me 0.2 but probably best to verify.
 @RikMills you have your own plasmoid update notifier right? doesi interacts with the update tab of software-properties-qt?
 @HMollerCl [@RikMills you have your own plasmoid update notifier right? doesi interacts with …], It is a binary now, but no, it does not. I am not sure how you think it might.
 Ideally it should, right?
 That tab has settings on when to check updates and what to do when there are updates.
 @RikMills we use update-notifier-common which among other things has an "apt update" cron that is handled by the update tab. So we use that
 and we run /lib/update-notifier/apt-check to check if there are updates.
 our notifier uses packagkit and its own schedule IIRC
 ok, thanks!
 Derp.  @tsimonq2 so the infra for weblate and stuff doesnt have the resources it needs on the lubuntu infra i’m workin on spinning it on my cloud infra I use
 No eta as to availability yet though
[18:40] <wxl> @RikMills do you have any clue why adam, who i know signed off on lubuntu going to git for the seeds, would even bother not pushing such a change to git? maybe we need to concoct some sort of script to check for updates to the archive that aren't in git for anything on launchpad. sigh.
[18:43] <RikMills> wxl: it was a change to the launchpad lubuntu-meta source package. NOT the lubuntu seeds in git. you happen to maintain your metapackage source in YOUR git, but that is nothing to do with the seed migration to git
[18:45] <wxl> RikMills: so i see, but i'm confused as to why he didn't also hit the seeds, since it is they that directly affect the isos.
[18:45] <RikMills> wxl: the seeds did not change, so no need
[18:48] <wxl> RikMills: mostly true (though a couple things should change here https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/seed/browse/focal/ship-live)
[18:52] <RikMills> wxl: they should change, but the metapackage change to stop generation of i386 stuff is all that was actually needed to kill of meta part. it is up to you to tidy up your own shop on the cruft in your seeds that no longer have any effect apart from wasted characters
[18:53] <RikMills> Adam was quite kind to go through and adjust all the metas!
[18:53] <wxl> ^^^^ @The_LoudSpeaker you should probably make that change to rSEED before resubmitting to rMETA
[18:54]  * RikMills notes that Kubuntu is the only flavour that he did not do, as I had already cleaned my own shop :P
[18:54] <RikMills> wxl: he can make the change, but as your meta now knows B-all about i386, it would not matter
[18:55] <wxl> yeah i'm not complaining so much as concerned about how to retain parity
[18:55]  * wxl wonders what the b refers to, but then remembers that favorite word of the uk
[18:56] <wxl> RikMills: i was referring to the change he intends to make for lubuntu-grub-theme, etc., but yeah, it wouldn't otherwise matter
[18:57] <RikMills> in kubuntu's KA we have a 'check-archive' that checkes your git branch is up to date with the launchpad archive version
[18:57] <RikMills> *check-archive script
[18:58]  * RikMills pours a large brandy for the channel
[18:59] <wxl> ooh that would make a nice post-checkout git hook
[19:01] <RikMills> the simple version only checks the version, but at least it would detect if someone like a core dev, motu, release team etc had done an upload you missed
[19:06]  * kc2bez lost his voice and can use the brandy.
 @wxl [<wxl> ^^^^ @The_LoudSpeaker you should probably make that change to rSEED before …], What changes?
 @wxl [<wxl> RikMills: mostly true (though a couple things should change here https://p …], You mean these?
 run the update script. you should get this... … ```lubuntu-meta (20.04.4) UNRELEASED; urgency=medium …   * Refreshed dependencies …   * Added lubuntu-grub-theme to desktop …   * Added xfonts-efont-unicode to desktop```
[20:04] <theloudspeaker> K. Will do.
[20:09] <theloudspeaker> Almost forgot, Merry Christmas everyone!
 @theloudspeaker [<theloudspeaker> Almost forgot, Merry Christmas everyone!], Merry Christmas!
 Is there a screen reader shipped by default with lubuntu,
 I don't believe so


[16:14] <zequence> I've been working on some sort of system for sharing passwords within the PR and Support team
[16:14] <zequence> protonmail is one simple variant
[16:15] <zequence> I mention this, but also explain how to do it by encrypting a textfile here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PublicRelationsDocumentation#Sharing_Passwords_Between_Team_Members
[16:15] <zequence> I will be sending passwords to all team members once I have them set up
[16:15] <zequence> Only the project lead will be able to change them
[16:16] <zequence> Which is me, right now. But, maybe someone else would like to be PR and Support lead?