[00:53] <serpp> Hello, I have a Hauppauge HVR-1600... I've managed to get video working by compiling the cx18 module and firmware...  However my audio just sounds like the occasional (once every 3-5 seconds) static noise and silent otherwise
[00:55] <serpp> the audio is the same way when i "mplayer /dev/video0" from the command line too
[00:59] <Aquahallic> evenin' folks
[00:59] <serpp> hello aqua
[01:00] <Aquahallic> got a buddy that's running an ubuntu hardy machine.. I wanna put mythtv on it.. backend and frontend.. but not the mythbuntu package that takes over the entire desktop... what package would I install as a base?? would it be the plain jane 'mythtv' package??
[01:01] <Aquahallic> then I can go and add all the others like.. archive and mythvideo and all the themes??
[01:35] <acrousey> I have an older pc, so I am wondering which version of mythbuntu i should download; would I want the ordinary or alternative? This is a pc with Pentium3.
[01:38] <rhpot1991_laptop> acrousey: i386 should work fine for you, you aren't planning on doing anything but SD with that right?
[01:40] <acrousey> is i386 the ordinary download?
[01:40] <acrousey> n/m
[01:40] <acrousey> i just looked, it is... sorry
[01:41] <rhpot1991_laptop> yep
[01:42] <acrousey> i just looked in the "installation manual" pdf and it says that the ati all-in-wonder series is known not to work with Mythbuntu, is this still true?
[01:49] <Mersault> Which part of the system should auto-start mythfrontend at login?
[02:10] <hanfm> can someone tell me a universe/multiverse source for mythbuntu?
[02:22] <NeoMatrixJR> Ok, having lots of problems with my first time install.  So first question will be, is my box good enough.  P4 2GHz (single core), 640MB Ram, hybrid box, Pinnacle PCTV HD Card (800i) watching HD and SD content over analog cable.
[02:51] <hanfm> i cant reach packages.medibuntu.org is that only my problem?
[03:27] <Aquahallic> evenin'
[03:28] <Aquahallic> did an install of mythtv ontop of hardy.. saying it can't connect to db when doing mythtv-setup.. when I go to show databases there's no mythconverg
[03:28] <Aquahallic> where does ubuntu store the db?
[03:28] <Aquahallic> so I can install it
[06:33] <mrjojobobo> !help
[06:33] <Zinn> Use ! followed by a topic to get help on the topic (if it exists) example: !logs.  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].  For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi
[07:59] <superm1> !hi
[07:59] <Zinn> Hi $nick, how are you?  Something we can help you with today?
[09:02] <Ziroday> Hi, whenever I try to run mythfrontend I get this error http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m79cb2a3e and when I run mythbackend I get this error http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m46de2e0e what should I do?
[09:14] <laga_> your database is broken
[09:14] <laga_> try running optimize_mythdb.pl
[09:20] <Ziroday> in which directory?
[09:21] <Ziroday> laga_: sorry, where is the perl script?
[09:25] <laga_>  /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/ i believe
[09:25] <laga_> i don't have it here right now
[09:27] <Ziroday> okay thanks
[13:32] <serpp> Hello, I have a Hauppauge HVR-1600... I've managed to get video working by compiling the cx18 module and firmware...  However my audio just sounds like the occasional (once every 3-5 seconds) static noise and silent otherwise... same if i just "mplayer /dev/video0"..any ideas?
[13:34] <MythbuntuGuest14> hi, have mythbuntu installed, but having problems following symlinks, anyone awake to help me a bit?
[13:35] <MythbuntuGuest14> Zinn: symlinks?
[13:38] <MythbuntuGuest14> !help
[13:38] <Zinn> Use ! followed by a topic to get help on the topic (if it exists) example: !logs.  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].  For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi
[13:38] <MythbuntuGuest14> !symlink
[13:38] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about symlink
[13:38] <MythbuntuGuest14> !samba
[13:38] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about samba
[13:38] <MythbuntuGuest14> !smbf
[13:38] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about smbf
[13:38] <MythbuntuGuest14> !smbfs
[13:38] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about smbfs
[13:38] <MythbuntuGuest14> !share
[13:38] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about share
[13:39] <MythbuntuGuest14> hi gregL
[16:28] <acrousey> my friend has an ATI usb pvr, but it was not working for him, so I want to see if it can work on my ubuntu/mythbuntu computer. Which way should i go with this? I don't have a TV card on my computer: I was just thinking that this may act as one, but it is not. Does anyone know how I can get this working?
[16:28] <superm1> those the USB devices that do cable card?
[16:29] <acrousey> yeah
[16:30] <superm1> well last i heard there was no support for them in linux at all
[16:30] <superm1> hasn't been reverse engineered yet i believe
[16:31] <acrousey> really?
[16:31] <acrousey> that's kind of a pain in the butt
[16:34] <acrousey> is there a cheap yet quality TV tuner out there for linux? be it external or usb?
[16:46] <superm1> well so you can get a hdhomerun
[16:46] <superm1> that will do a atsc and qam
[16:47] <superm1> unencrypted
[16:47] <superm1> otherwise, the hvr-950q is usb and does both
[17:49] <Cabadra> I have a question: I can't install mythbuntu, it says it can't mount my CD drive and I've tried the ide=nodma thing :)
[18:37] <nexxp> hi all
[18:38] <nexxp> does any1 can help me how to scan sat 110 have problems to scan 110 sat 119 scan very good i change diseqc 2 times
[18:39] <nexxp> i have lasted svn of mythtv
[18:56] <MythbuntuGuest29> here is a question for y'all, can i edit the actuall metadata that mythtv gets back from imdb. i would like to add information to the description
[19:24] <jduggan_> MythbuntuGuest29: yes, you could just edit the data within mysql
[20:29] <Anusien> Does UPnP for music files work with any client?
[20:30] <Anusien> The supported client list seems just to talk about video
[20:58] <Aquahallic> afternoon
[22:32] <rhpot1991> Anusien: IIRC it doesn't work for the 360
[22:33] <rhpot1991> !mailinglist | Anusien
[22:33] <Zinn> Anusien: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-mythtv
[22:33] <rhpot1991> might be a good idea to ask there
[22:34] <laga_> even better, ask in #mythtv-users
[22:34] <laga_> the ubuntu-mythtv ML is very low traffic
[22:35] <Anusien> Was gonna say, why there than somewhere else?
[22:35] <gankthoven> noob question please bear with me.  i have an athlon be-2400 (dual core) processor.  is there any advantadges to installing the x86_64 image instead of the regular x86 distro
[22:36] <Anusien> Do you have a 64bit processor?
[22:36] <gankthoven> it'
[22:36] <gankthoven> its a 64bit processor yes
[22:37] <gankthoven> do i have to worry about drives like i do when choosing between windows 32 and 64bit operating systems
[22:37] <Anusien> What do you mean "worry about drives"?
[22:37] <gankthoven> drivers
[22:37] <Anusien> Did you build or buy your machine?
[22:37] <gankthoven> build
[22:38] <gankthoven> foxconn 780g be-2400 2gig of ram
[22:38] <gankthoven> waiting on purchasing a tuner
[22:38] <gankthoven> the hvr-2250 looks awesome, awating linux drivers
[22:38] <gankthoven> faily new to linux however i've played a little bit with ubuntu in the past
[22:39] <Anusien> 64 bit OSes require different drivers, yes, so check your hardware for compliance
[22:39] <gankthoven> very interested in mythubuntu for its qam support.  with vista qam requires some magic and the fact that its a bloated os also has me looking into mythubuntu
[22:39] <Anusien> qam?
[22:40] <gankthoven> so for better compatablility it would be easier to install the x386 build
[22:40] <gankthoven> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrature_amplitude_modulation
[22:40] <Anusien> check the drivers for your hardware
[22:40] <rhpot1991> gankthoven: if you want a good supported qam tunner look at the HDHR
[22:40] <gankthoven> its a method for recording hd cable channels
[22:40] <gankthoven> thats my second choice
[22:41] <gankthoven> it would actually be easier to use my mce2005 distro with an hdhr however i really want an internal tuner
[22:42] <rhpot1991> "easier" HDHR works OOB pretty much with mythbuntu
[22:42] <gankthoven> true
[22:43] <gankthoven> its a badass external tuner
[22:43] <gankthoven> prolly the best tuner available
[22:44] <gankthoven> i just want to use an internal one
[22:44] <gankthoven> anyone here using an hvr-1600 on their mythubuntu box
[22:56] <nexxp>  !help
[22:56] <nexxp> ops
[22:57] <nexxp> hi all
[22:58] <Anusien> Howdy
[22:58] <nexxp> Anusien hi
[22:59] <nexxp> here trying to setup mythtv for get signal from sat 110 but not scan


[07:17] <Kilos> morning all
[07:17] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[07:17]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[07:21] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[07:21] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[07:21] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[07:21] <Kilos> Maaz, and rusks
[07:21] <Maaz> I hid them away Kilos Pm me and I'll tell you where they are
[07:22] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie man
[07:22] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[10:08] <sakhi> afternoon
[10:55] <superfly> afternoon sakhi
[18:38] <kbmonkey> evening all
[18:38] <Kilos> evening all
[18:38] <Kilos> lol
[18:38] <Kilos> lo kbmonkey
[18:38] <Kilos> we musta typed that together
[18:38] <Kilos> i started first but type slower\
[18:39] <kbmonkey> snap!
[18:39] <Kilos> hehe
[18:39] <kbmonkey> hehe
[18:39] <kbmonkey> @set echo off
[18:39] <inetpro> Kilos: you were 6 seconds slower to press ENTER
[18:39] <Kilos> lol ty inetpro
[18:40] <Kilos> as i say i type slower
[18:40] <inetpro> good evening Kilos, kbmonkey and everyone else
[18:40] <kbmonkey> that's 1.82 seconds slower per key
[18:40] <Kilos> and i look at the keyboard while typing
[18:40] <kbmonkey> ... just blame it on the internet Kilos ;D
[18:40] <Kilos> ya
[18:41] <Kilos> you guys all good
[18:41] <Kilos> i slept mosta the day
[18:41] <nuvolari> o/
[18:41] <nuvolari> naand oom Kilos
[18:41] <nuvolari> and kbmonkey
[18:42] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[18:42] <kbmonkey> hi nuvolari
[18:42] <nuvolari> oh, and inetpro too
[18:42]  * nuvolari tips hat
[18:42] <Kilos> haha
[18:43]  * inetpro takes a bow
[18:43] <kbmonkey> you got a feather in that hat :D
[18:43] <Kilos> stop it, my heads too sore to laugh
[18:43] <kbmonkey> is that a fedora?
[18:44] <inetpro> hmm... nuvolari I hope it's not red
[18:45] <Kilos> lol
[18:47] <nlsthzn> evening gents ( kbmonkey , Kilos , inetpro , nuvolari and others)
[18:48] <kbmonkey> hello nlsthzn
[18:48] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn the ahabs changing i see
[18:48] <inetpro> nlsthzn: hiya
[18:48] <Kilos> saudi king grants woman the right to vote
[18:48] <Kilos> women
[18:49] <nlsthzn> Kilos: awesome... must be tired of not getting any
[18:49] <Kilos> hehehe
[18:49] <kbmonkey> good observation! he he
[18:49] <Kilos> jpm[mobile], doesnt you fone battery every go flat
[18:50] <Kilos> ever
[18:51] <Kilos> nlsthzn, now their problems are really gonna start
[18:51]  * Kilos waits to be shot down
[18:51]  * nlsthzn stays quiet... very very quiet
[18:51] <Kilos> lol
[18:52] <nlsthzn> They have a long way to go but good for them for starting at least
[18:52] <Kilos> yeah
[18:52] <kbmonkey> thats good to hear they moving away from such crappy world views :]
[18:53] <nlsthzn> well, enjoy the rest of your Sunday :)
[18:53] <nlsthzn> bai
[18:53] <Kilos> them peeps are really hard on their woman
[18:53] <Kilos> got nearly no rights
[18:53] <Kilos> cheers nlsthzn
[18:55] <kbmonkey> bye.. oops
[19:09] <Kilos> night everyone. see you tomorrow. sleep tight
[19:14] <inetpro> hmm... evryone way to quiet today
[19:20] <nuvolari> indeed
[19:20] <nuvolari> bedtime. night everyone
[19:23] <kbmonkey> gn nuvolari
[19:23] <kbmonkey> yes quite. looking at salix now
[19:24] <kbmonkey> pretty nice http://ompldr.org/vYWowbg/salix.jpg
[19:26] <inetpro> kbmonkey: interesting
[19:27] <kbmonkey> not sure why my qemu network doesnt pick up. huh
[19:27] <kbmonkey> yes i miraculously had some bandwidth to use, so i get new distros :)
[19:28] <kbmonkey> started getting the new knoppix, then I decided to try something different


[00:44] <DynamiteDan> Hello. I would like to know if it is possible to install the Ubuntu Studio Kernels on a regular ubuntu distro.
[00:50] <tomreyn> DynamiteDan: you'R ein the devel channel, maybe this is more for #ubuntustudio. are there US specific kernels at all, though? i assume not.
[00:50] <DynamiteDan> ah okay, Sorry for disturbing :)
[00:52] <tomreyn> i don't think you disturbed anyone ;-)


[00:00] <mwhudson> i think create_clone_on_transport might be the more 'bzr branch'y api
[00:05] <mwhudson> i wonder what the no_tree argument does
[00:07] <lifeless> mwhudson: hi
[11:49] <spacecowboy29> A question, I'm not able to connect to lanchpad, I'm using corkscrew since I'm behind a proxy,  I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong... http://paste.ubuntu.com/1592875/
[11:50] <mgz> from yesterday, can you ssh to anywhere at all like that?
[11:51] <mgz> if not you really need corkscrew help, not bazaar/launchpad help.
[11:51] <spacecowboy29> yes, hi :) no I'm not able to ssh anywhere else
[11:52] <spacecowboy29> I followed the corkscrew help, by adding the config file "Proxy Command <IP_ADDRESS> 8080 %h%p"
[11:55] <mgz> spacecowboy29: can you http proxy through the given ip and address?
[11:55] <spacecowboy29> I was able to connect using bzr when I removed my username from bazaar.conf
[11:58] <spacecowboy29> bzr branch lp:calibre, seems to work fine when I'm not using a username from bazaar.conf, so I should get some corkscrew help ?  Does bzr handle ssh through https on it's own ?
[11:58] <mgz> did you have HTTP_PROXY set?
[11:59] <spacecowboy29> yes I set it system wide in the Networks option
[12:01] <spacecowboy29> But this was working before, I must have borked some config file or something, if this doesn't work I'll have to reinstall the os, then I'll know for sure....
[12:02] <mgz> google "ssh corkscrew" or something, from their readme it seems it only works against certain http proxies
[12:02] <mgz> so, you might need to find out what http proxy is and if it's on the supported list
[12:05] <spacecowboy29> ok will do, thanks :)
[17:40] <DarylXian> hi.  can bzr checkout a single revision/tag from a remote repo, or do i have to pull the entire repo, then select/switch to a tag locally?
[17:40] <LeoNerd> bzr co -rFOO URL
[17:40] <LeoNerd> -r123 or -rtag:NAME or whatever
[17:42] <DarylXian> LeoNerd: ah, simple enough. noted!  thx.
[17:42] <LeoNerd> The commandset is usually quite orthogonal like that. Most commands that can care about a specific revision take a -r for example
[17:51] <DarylXian> LeoNerd: when i bzr co -rtag:FOO, am I still pulling the complete repo, in terms of total MB, but just ending up in the FOO-tag state?  or Am I actually pulling less content?
[17:51] <LeoNerd> Er... hrmm.. Notsure offhand
[17:52] <DarylXian> I'm trying to avoid, specifically, pulling the entire MySQL repo just to get at the latest code.  It's *huge* (&/or slow ...)
[17:53] <LeoNerd> Oh. So you'll still get all the history up until that point
[17:53] <LeoNerd> So even if you pull -r1000 you'll get -r1 to -r999 as well. I'm just not sure if it will pull any history -past- that; -r1001 and onwards
[17:54] <DarylXian> ah, so not a solution.  unless 'they' create a tarball from a specific checkout, I get all the prior history. :-/
[17:54] <LeoNerd> Yah
[17:54] <DarylXian> well, rats.
[18:05] <DarylXian> thx
[18:07] <bsd> Oh DarylXian left — he could use a stacked branch
[19:04] <LeoNerd> Is there a handy way I can store locally in a workdir, some extra name=value information related to a specific branch?
[19:04] <LeoNerd> I'm writign some wrapper automation scripts, and I need to keep track of some more details
[19:05] <mgz> LeoNerd: `bzr config --scope=branch leo-special=1`?
[19:06] <LeoNerd> Hmmm.... that might work
[19:06] <mgz> retrieve by not assigning
[19:07] <LeoNerd> Yah.. I'll try that, thnaks
[19:07] <LeoNerd> ... now all I need to do is work out how to wrap  p4 change  and obtain the new OCL number
[19:07] <mgz> I'd use a prefix just so you're double-sure not to clash with other config keys :)
[19:08] <LeoNerd> Sure


[00:00] <paultag> OK. Well it's 7:00
[00:00] <paultag> #startmeeting
[00:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 18:00. The chair is paultag.
[00:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[00:00] <Vantrax> o7
[00:00] <ibuclaw> o/
[00:00] <paultag> Howdy, ya'll. The wedding is down two doors
[00:00] <cjohnston> o/
[00:01] <Chesamo> \o
[00:01] <Vantrax> awww, but this looked like a lovely spot
[00:01] <paultag> :)
[00:01] <paultag> Well, our agenda is quite thin this month. Any items that need to be brought up?
[00:01] <paultag> ( team-wide, before we poke FG teams )
[00:01] <paultag> Going once!
[00:01] <paultag> Twice!
[00:02] <paultag> Thrice!
[00:02] <paultag> Mmmkay. On to FGs
[00:02] <paultag> duanedesign, poke. Any LP updates?
[00:02] <paultag> I'm guessing he is AFK :)
[00:02] <ddecator> forgot the meeting was in here :p
[00:02] <paultag> stlsaint, ddecator, welcome. Any team biz to discuss before moving on?
[00:03] <ddecator> not that i know of
[00:03] <stlsaint> no sire
[00:03] <paultag> Righto. Let's wait a few minutes. This is not a great turnout
[00:03] <DarkwingDuck> I'm here
[00:03] <paultag> [IDEA] Start emailing the Mailing List more often
[00:03] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Start emailing the Mailing List more often
[00:03] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, getting to membership soon :)
[00:03] <ddecator> paultag: +1
[00:04] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, we need to make sure we have enough UBT members around
[00:04] <DarkwingDuck> paultag: not worried about it.
[00:04] <DarkwingDuck> I waited this long, what's a few more minutes. ;)
[00:04] <paultag> wojox is not here
[00:04] <ddecator> tenach should be here too..
[00:05] <paultag> tenach is not here :/
[00:05] <paultag> nor shredder12
[00:05] <ddecator> hopefully people are just running late :\
[00:05] <paultag> ddecator, yeah, that's almost half no-show for their membership
[00:06] <paultag> Which UBT members are here?
[00:06] <cjohnston> o/
[00:07] <paultag> OK. I don't think we have enough members to go on.
[00:07] <Chesamo> :(
[00:07] <ddecator> :(
[00:07]  * DarkwingDuck sighs
[00:07] <paultag> Humm
[00:07] <paultag> ibuclaw, are you here?
[00:07] <paultag> duanedesign, what do you think about moving membership to the mailing lists for this one month?
[00:08] <paultag> Well. Seeing as I am the only UBT council member here, I'm going to have to make a gut call
[00:08] <paultag> [VOTE] End the meeting early and move membership votes to the Mailing List
[00:08] <MootBot> Please vote on:  End the meeting early and move membership votes to the Mailing List.
[00:08] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:08] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:08] <paultag> UBT members are free to vote
[00:09] <cjohnston> +1
[00:09] <MootBot> +1 received from cjohnston. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:09] <paultag> +1
[00:09] <MootBot> +1 received from paultag. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:09] <ddecator> heh, so just you two..
[00:09] <paultag> Damn shame.
[00:09] <paultag> [AGREED] End the meeting early and move membership votes to the Mailing List
[00:09] <MootBot> AGREED received:  End the meeting early and move membership votes to the Mailing List
[00:09] <paultag> [ENDVOTE]
[00:09] <MootBot> Final result is 2 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 2
[00:09] <cjohnston> do we ahve enough people to vote to end the meeting?
[00:09] <paultag> #endmeeting
[00:09] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 18:09.
[00:09] <paultag> Thanks for showing up guys
[00:10] <ddecator> 9 minutes, new record
[00:10] <cjohnston> I think we had one shroter
[00:10] <paultag> O
[00:10] <paultag> I'll write an email to the team
[00:10] <paultag> sorry to our new guys, ddecator and DarkwingDuck
[00:10] <ddecator> sounds god
[00:10] <ddecator> good*
[00:11] <ddecator> not your fault paultag
[00:11]  * DarkwingDuck chuckles
[00:11] <DarkwingDuck> paultag: New guy?
[00:11] <DarkwingDuck> :P:P
[00:11] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, fair enough :)
[00:11] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, prospective members :D
[00:12] <ddecator> heh
[00:12] <DarkwingDuck> LOL paultag, not offended... Just finding humor
[00:12] <DarkwingDuck> After that LoCo email I needed to ;)
[00:12] <phillw> paultag: would PM be okay when you get chance?
[00:12] <paultag> of course phillw
[00:13] <phillw> pm me when you are free
[00:14] <stlsaint> paultag: i gotta go in about ten
[00:14] <paultag> stlsaint, meeting is over. You can leave :)
[00:15] <stlsaint> oh sorry..i missed that log entry :D
[00:15] <DarkwingDuck> Guess I'll read about it on the ML :P
[00:25] <cprofitt> sorry I am late UBT
[00:26] <ddecator> cprofitt: meeting ended a while ago :p
[00:26] <cprofitt> it took less than 30 minutes... wow
[00:27] <ddecator> 9 minutes. not enough people to vote on new members
[00:27] <cprofitt> ah...
[00:27] <cprofitt> yeah 7pm is a bit rough for some folks in the US
[00:27] <cprofitt> I normally can make 7pm, but tonight I was at another meeting
[00:27] <ddecator> 6pm for some of us :p
[00:28] <cprofitt> true...
[00:28] <cprofitt> I should have said 23:00 UTC
[00:28] <cprofitt> because that is 7pm -> 3pm depending on where you are in the states
[00:29] <cprofitt> I guess... 1pm if we throw in Hawaii
[00:30] <cprofitt> sorry you did not get votd on ddecator
[00:30] <cprofitt> Hopefully we can get this done the next meeting
[00:30] <ddecator> cprofitt: nah, it's fine, it's being brought to the ML (paul just sent an email)
[00:31] <paultag> aye.
[00:31] <cprofitt> nice
[00:31] <cprofitt> good way to do it
[00:32] <paultag> thanks. These guys have been waiting for a long while. No need to punish them on account of idle members
[00:32]  * cprofitt nods and agrees with paultag
[00:32]  * pleia2 nods
[16:00] <mvo> hello!
[16:01] <barry> hello!
[16:01]  * xnox 0/
[16:02] <cjwatson> hi
[16:02] <psurbhi> o/
[16:02] <mvo> so the order today is:
[16:02] <mvo> surbhi, ev, doko, barry, mvo, Keybuk, cjwatson
[16:02] <mvo> for the lighting round
[16:03] <mvo> I did not get any agenda additions by mail, anything somebody wants to add now?
[16:03] <psurbhi> not much from my end.. could not do much, sorry about it :( ..set up qemu and still testing btrfs.. went through btrfs code.. thats it.. i really hope by next meeting i have something
[16:03] <barry> not from me
[16:04]  * psurbhi thought the round began
[16:04] <mvo> thanks psurbhi :)
[16:04] <mvo> the round has began
[16:04] <doko> online, but still in cambridge
[16:05] <mvo> so your lighting round item is "sprinting" :)
[16:05] <maco> lightning round?
[16:05] <mvo> "2-4 sentences on current work/roadblocks "
[16:06] <barry> is ev here?
[16:06] <mvo> no ev today?
[16:06] <cjwatson> doesn't look like it ...
[16:06] <mvo> so its barry
[16:06] <xnox> ev on vacation?!
[16:06] <barry> bug 589227 (2.6.32-22.35 breaks kvm); virtual machine hacking (vmbuilder, kvm, libvirt); foundations-m-python-versions (building the py27 ppa stack); foundations-m-continuous-integration (emails, and package tests). done.
[16:07] <mvo> apt: improve mirror method; move stuff to aptdaemon backend (gnome-codec-instal\
[16:07] <mvo> l, update-manager), some merges, work on software-center launchpad integration,\
[16:07] <mvo>  buy-stuff work
[16:07] <mvo> (eof)
[16:08] <mvo> actually, the mirror:// method is something I would like to briefly talk about, it looks like the launchpad side of things is working well, so we may consider it for maverick, at least get feedback on it
[16:08] <mvo> (after the lighting round of course)
[16:08] <barry> mvo: need more context :)
[16:08]  * cjwatson first remembers that coming up in UDS Mountain View (the first one)
[16:09] <cjwatson> no Keybuk?
[16:09]  * cjwatson checks the holiday system
[16:10] <cjwatson> ah yes, ev and Keybuk are both on holiday today
[16:10] <cjwatson> done: more grub2 bug-fixing, somewhat desperately trying to get a new version into Debian testing and maverick; Linaro infrastructure sprint; initial work on foundations-m-uefi-support, got a test CD out and do
[16:10] <cjwatson> ne some early experimentation with grub-efi
[16:10] <mvo> the idea is that mirrors.ubuntu.com hands out a list of mirrors via geoip to apt and that picks one and one 404,403 etc it can retry the next. there are more fancy plans, but that is the basic feature
[16:10] <cjwatson> todo: fix grub-efi (or my sample EFI implementation) to the point where I can make serious progress on installer side of foundations-m-uefi-support; likely to spend most of Friday at Linaro infrastructure sprint, but available tomorrow; finish sorting out team work items
[16:10] <cjwatson> --
[16:10] <cjwatson> (and speaking of team work items, I have an agenda item to slot in later)
[16:11] <cjwatson> xnox: do you want to slot anything into the lightning round?
[16:11] <xnox> sure. =)
[16:12] <xnox> wiped my harddrive parition table & restored. Got grub-efi to chainboot another grub, boot kernel/initrtd from iso.
[16:12] <xnox> got grub-pc to boot on macs as well to boot iso from usb
[16:12] <xnox> it's impossible to compile grub2 on a mac. Figuring out how to do usb-creator backend on macs....
[16:12] <xnox> eof
[16:12] <cjwatson> definitely need to talk with you once I'm a little further along with uefi-support and am doing better than guesswork
[16:13] <xnox> cjwatson: openSUSE are doing geolocation mirrors (not sure if they use geoIP)
[16:13] <cjwatson> that's -> mvo
[16:13] <doko> binutils cross build fix integration, gcc upstream cross build fix, sprinting
[16:13] <doko> done
[16:14] <cjwatson> that's all for the lightning round?
[16:14] <cjwatson> our lightning is slow today :)
[16:14] <mvo> do we have any outstanding actions from the last meeting?
[16:15]  * mvo can not see any
[16:15] <xnox> doko: will gnat-4.5 be uploaded to maverick? (and debian experimental)
[16:15] <doko> xnox: yes, if you port it from 4.4
[16:16] <xnox> doko: =) gotcha
[16:16] <mvo> the alpha2 buglist looks pretty small currently
[16:16] <doko> xnox: you might want to get in touch with lbrenta
[16:17] <mvo> (buglist is at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+bugs?field.milestone:list=27560 - just fyi)
[16:18] <mvo> if there are no further comments from the buglist, then I think its best to let cjwatson talk about work items
[16:19] <cjwatson> well, I was going to nag people about the work items mail I sent, but I think the only people I need to nag are actually ev (who has a fairly decent set of work items already) and doko (whom I nagged in person earlier today) :)
[16:20] <cjwatson> so I think it would be best if people went to look at http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-foundations.html
[16:20] <cjwatson> barry, mvo, you two want to check back in an hour or two, since I just accepted a bunch of your specs for maverick and fixed up work item formatting etc.
[16:20] <barry> cjwatson: sure :)
[16:20] <cjwatson> everybody else, please check that this list is representative of what you'll be doing this cycle by way of feature work
[16:20] <mvo> ohoh
[16:20] <mvo> :)
[16:21] <cjwatson> we need to adjust things so that there's slightly less stuff creeping in from people who've moved teams, but ignore that
[16:22] <cjwatson> if it's *not* complete, please mail me a list of the specs that should be on there
[16:22] <cjwatson> and write up work items for them if they aren't there already, please
[16:22] <cjwatson> here endeth the nag
[16:22] <mvo> thanks cjwatson
[16:23] <mvo> my bit is really only
[16:23] <mvo> please try: "deb mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt maverick main restricted" (or lucid) in your sources.list
[16:23] <mvo> and let me know if you experience any issues, it should be working well now
[16:23] <mvo> in both maverick and lucid
[16:24] <mvo> once there is more confidence in it (there is a update for maverick pending) we can talk about making it default
[16:24] <mvo> or at least expose it better in software-properties
[16:25] <mvo> (thats it from on the mirror method)
[16:25] <cjwatson> cool, I'll give that a go
[16:26] <mvo> next item is "Any business from activity reports " - please add your activity reports to the wiki page
[16:26] <mvo> so far only barry did …
[16:26]  * mvo blushes because his is missing too
[16:26] <cjwatson> mine is also missing, sorry - will do before EOD
[16:26]  * psurbhi notes
[16:27] <psurbhi> where is the foundations wiki?
[16:27] <psurbhi> i mean where do i put them up?
[16:27] <mvo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0609
[16:27] <psurbhi> mvo, thanks
[16:27] <mvo> I did send out a mail about it, did I accidently forgot to include you psurbhi ? if so, I'm  sorry
[16:28] <psurbhi> mvo, np
[16:28] <mvo> "Good news " anyone?
[16:28]  * psurbhi checks email as well
[16:28] <cjwatson> at least some level of graphics support appears to Just Work Already in grub-efi
[16:29] <barry> don't forget there's a private mailing list we can use so you don't have to remember everyone's email.  i'm not sure if psurbhi's on it, but i'll double check the membership
[16:29] <cjwatson> (except for the fact that my EFI implementation only has a 256-colour emulated video card, so the Ubuntu background colour gets smashed to some kind of dark red, which confused me until I did the maths and confirmed that it was correct)
[16:29] <mvo> barry: could oyu please mail that list and remind about it?
[16:29] <barry> mvo: will do
[16:30] <mvo> my SoC student is working on apt multiarch rocks
[16:30] <cjwatson> I gave psurbhi access the other day, though I think she'd have had to press a button in LP to actually subscribe
[16:30] <mvo> that should read "and he rocks"
[16:30] <mvo> breaks the ABI all over the place too :P
[16:30] <cjwatson> apt ABI in "breaking" shocker ;-)
[16:30]  * psurbhi eww.. notes
[16:30] <barry> cjwatson: right.  we can't subscribe someone else to a list
[16:31] <cjwatson> ironically, at that point I noticed that I was not subscribed to that list either
[16:31] <barry> cjwatson: can you emulate efi for a vm?
[16:31] <cjwatson> (and fixed it)
[16:31] <xnox> cjwatson: =)))) blindly including all grub-efi modules boot lucid with wobly windows and compiz for me without fakebios & without efiframebuffer with nice plymouth and kms =)
[16:31] <cjwatson> barry: yep - grab OVMF from http://sourceforge.net/projects/edk2/, unpack in a directory, kvm -L .
[16:31] <cjwatson> xnox: oh, I meant graphics in grub itself
[16:31]  * psurbhi subscribed now
[16:32] <barry> cjwatson: cool
[16:32] <cjwatson> (though glad to hear it)
[16:32] <barry> cjwatson: i'll remove the members who have moved on
[16:32] <cjwatson> something's a bit wrong at the moment and grub can't load the kernel from OVMF, I'll investigate that
[16:32] <cjwatson> also the acronym is nearly impossible to remember
[16:32] <xnox> cjwatson: =))) well i played around with just regular grub menu
[16:34] <mvo> ok, moving on to "AOB"
[16:34] <mvo> AOB?
[16:36] <mvo> 3
[16:36] <mvo> 2
[16:36] <mvo> 1
[16:36] <mvo> "# Next week's chair "
[16:36] <mvo> anybody who wants to do it? otherwise its going to be (in the just started tradition) the first one from the shuffle script
[16:37] <barry> mvo: that's a great way to do it :)
[16:37] <doko> I think I am next
[16:37] <mvo> aha, a volunteer, even better. thanks doko
[16:37] <psurbhi> doko, thanks, i think i was first otherwise..
[16:37] <doko> I was volunteered ...
[16:38] <psurbhi> :)
[16:38] <mvo> EOM - thanks everyone :)
[16:38] <psurbhi> mvo, thanks!
[16:38] <xnox> thanks =)
[16:38] <psurbhi> o/ bbye!
[16:38] <barry> mvo: thanks!
[20:02] <highvoltage> good evening
[20:02] <bencrisford> evening :)
[20:03] <highvoltage> apologies if I seem somewhat aloof tonight, I've had some stomach bug the past few days and have mostly been sleeping due to pills I've taken
[20:04] <highvoltage> Rubén Romero
[20:05] <highvoltage> oops, premature paste :)
[20:05] <highvoltage> Rubén Romero e-mailed me today about collaboration between debian-edu and edubuntu
[20:05] <mhall119> yay, meeting time
[20:06]  * stgraber waves
[20:06] <highvoltage> he's willing to facilitate that, he has some good ideas, he'll share with the list too
[20:06] <mhall119> highvoltage: cool, I wanted to collaborate with them on QImo
[20:06]  * alkisg waves too
[20:06] <highvoltage> I suggested that he also look at Utnubu (Ubuntu backwards, a collaboration link between Debian-Ubuntu - http://wiki.debian.org/Utnubu)
[20:06] <highvoltage> so perhaps some of it might happen under the Utnubu umbrella as well
[20:08] <highvoltage> mhall119: great
[20:09] <highvoltage> I was busy speaking to Hedgemage until the meeting started about the Edubuntu site, she'll be getting some things ready and I'll possibly have it after the meeting
[20:10] <highvoltage> I told her that we might have to move on without her work for now since we really need a site, and that she shouldn't be offended if we do. She's ok with it and if we have to do that we'll just retro-fit some of her work again. She had lots of unexpected work coming up this month so that kind of messed with the planning for it
[20:13] <highvoltage> I haven't had a chance to look at vikram's documentation spec yet, have anyone else? any thoughts?
[20:13] <highvoltage> (https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-documentation-build)
[20:15] <highvoltage> ah, there's some ideas in there but it's not a plan per se
[20:15] <mhall119> I know we've talked about moin->docbook before, that would be really nice to have
[20:16] <highvoltage> I like the sidewiki idea, but I'm not sure how many educators/end-users typically use that. easy feedback would be great though
[20:22] <highvoltage> (sorry got a bit distracted)
[20:23] <highvoltage> alkisg: did you want to talk about copying that package to the stable ppa from yours?
[20:23] <alkisg> Sure.
[20:23] <alkisg> Tuxpaint got demoted to universe in the Lucid cycle
[20:24] <alkisg> That resulted in the translations missing in the lucid package (it should have had been reuploaded for the translations to not be stripped)
[20:24] <alkisg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tuxpaint/+bug/572994
[20:24] <alkisg> I don't know if there's going to be an update to lucid-updates or lucid-proposed, but in the meantime we could upload it to the edubuntu stable ppa
[20:24] <alkisg> I already uploaded it to my ppa, so a "copy packages" is all that's needed
[20:25] <alkisg> If anyone agrees, I could copy it right now and send an email to the mailing list + mention it on the bug report...
[20:25]  * highvoltage +1
[20:26] <mhall119> oh, so that's why Qimo doesn't translate tuxpaint...
[20:26] <drubin> 4
[20:26] <drubin> In my opinion, the best Web 2.0 development system out there is Google's GWT. There are many frameworks, such as YUI and jQuery that provide exceptional features, however they require you to code in JavaScript and whilst these libraries themselves offer tested and debugged code that is highly portable across browsers, hand-coding JavaScript yourself quickly becomes a quagmire of browser
[20:26] <drubin> compatibility issues and arcane debugging techniques.
[20:26] <highvoltage> alkisg: is it an update to the package, or is it a new package that has to be included?
[20:26] <alkisg> highvoltage: just a reuploading was needed
[20:26] <drubin> wow sorry for that copy/paste fail!
[20:26] <alkisg> Nothing was modified except for a version bump
[20:26] <highvoltage> alkisg: hmm, ok, then we could possibly get a SRU for it
[20:27] <alkisg> That'd be best
[20:27] <highvoltage> alkisg: for some reason I thought there was an additional package, but I was probably thinking of another discussion earler
[20:27] <mhall119> why was it dropped to universe?
[20:28] <highvoltage> mhall119: at a guess there probably isn't any dedicated person to maintain it
[20:28]  * mhall119 makes a note to check maintainers for all Qimo's packages
[20:29] <highvoltage> dedicated person / dedicated core-dev :)
[20:30] <ScottK> Things only stay in Main for a specific reason.  In this case it was dropped from the default intall, aiui, and so it would be natural for it to go to Universe.
[20:34] <highvoltage> ScottK: which default install? it wasn't ever in the Ubuntu one, I'm quite sure that it's still in the default Edubuntu
[20:34] <ScottK> highvoltage: I'm not sure then.
[20:35] <ScottK> It may be just a fallout of the fact that Edubuntu used to all be in Main and isn't anymore.
[20:35]  * ScottK looks.
[20:35] <highvoltage> yep, that makes sense
[20:36] <highvoltage> hi dhillonv10
[20:37] <dhillonv10> highvoltage: hi :) sorry I am a little late, is the meeting over?
[20:37] <highvoltage> nope, but probably close
[20:38] <highvoltage> dhillonv10: I looked at your blueprint, will respond on the list later, I meant to do so sooner but it just didn't work out
[20:38] <highvoltage> I think the sidewiki idea is great, not sure how many educators use it though
[20:38] <dhillonv10> highvoltage: that alright :) so anything else for me?
[20:39] <dhillonv10> highvoltage: its quite easy to use you see, I can do a screencast like 2 mins. long which can explain all its goodness :)
[20:40] <highvoltage> dhillonv10: I talked to Hedgemage before the meeting as well, she'll tar up the parts we need for the site, so if you'd like to do a screencast, then we can include a video on the site
[20:40] <highvoltage> dhillonv10: we could do with plenty of other screencasts as well :)
[20:40] <dhillonv10> highvoltage: sure :) that would be great
[20:40] <dhillonv10> highvoltage: I'll try but my video skills aren't that good :)
[20:41] <highvoltage> dhillonv10: that study on finding out what people often asks about also sounds great
[20:42] <highvoltage> dhillonv10: it could also be useful for knowing what kind of screencasts are required
[20:43] <dhillonv10> highvoltage: yeah like I said in the blueprint, I have the code and its in one of the branches but its not efficient, it just searches "some" common phrases and I may have to write a lot of it over to make it more useful
[20:45] <highvoltage> yep, we also only get a few common questions on IRC, I guess we could do some of it manually on the forums/bug reports/lists as well
[20:45] <ScottK> highvoltage: In karmic it was in main due to being in ubuntu-edu-preschool.
[20:46] <highvoltage> ScottK: it still is
[20:46] <ScottK> highvoltage: Yes, but an Edubuntu seed no longer forces it into Main.
[20:46] <ScottK> So it's as I thought.
[20:46] <highvoltage> ScottK: *nod*
[20:47] <dhillonv10> highvoltage: that also links with something else I am working on, you know how launchpad has an answers service where you can ask question about ubuntu and other softwares, now we can use google to search the terms in the question and get more information then in the template of the answer we can send those links back, like the top 5 or something
[20:48] <highvoltage> I'll try to put together some summary of our UDS work items and what needs attention and get it out to the list and make sure everyone knows what they need to do
[20:48] <dhillonv10> highvoltage: with what I have currently it can find some common terms but attaching them back to the email template is not working good
[20:48] <highvoltage> personally I haven't been giving Edubuntu as much attention recently as I'd like to, but I'll get back on track soon :)
[20:49] <dhillonv10> same here :)
[20:49] <mhall119> me too
[20:51] <highvoltage> I think the most important thing on my list is probably getting the installer stuff going, also an improved ltsp-live, although  I'll probably do the edubuntu-artwork package split over the next week
[20:51] <dhillonv10> mhall119: hiiiiiiiiii :)
[20:51] <mhall119> highvoltage: will you be able to help me get started on an alternative installer for Qimo 2?
[20:51] <mhall119> hi dhillonv10
[20:52] <highvoltage> mhall119: yep
[20:52] <mhall119> cool
[20:52] <highvoltage> mhall119: you know what would be cool? (at least imho) a text-based front-end for ubiquity
[20:53] <mhall119> yes
[20:53] <mhall119> but you'd still need RAM enough to expand the squashfs
[20:53] <dhillonv10> true :)
[20:53] <highvoltage> that doesn't take much
[20:53] <highvoltage> the image is only read as needed, it doesn't all get stored into RAM
[20:53] <mhall119> well something causes Qimo to need 192 MB to install, even running just ubiquity
[20:54] <highvoltage> mhall119: is that with the ubiquity-only session? because that's supposed to work on 128MB afaik
[20:55] <mhall119> sometimes, if you dont' have onboard video, it'll work on 128
[20:55] <mhall119> but rarely
[20:55] <mhall119> sometimes with onboard video, even 256 isn't enough
[20:56] <highvoltage> yeah that's just a case of ubiquity needing lots of memory, would've been the same even if you didn't use squashfs.
[20:57] <mhall119> oh, I didn't know it needed that much
[20:58] <highvoltage> not sure where all the memory is going to, and if a text-based front-end would help
[20:58] <highvoltage> I imagine not running GDM or X would already help at least
[20:59] <mhall119> probably
[20:59] <mhall119> but I've run desktops on 128MB after installing with an alternate CD
[21:00] <highvoltage> I can't even survive on 1GB these days :)
[21:00]  * highvoltage blames firefox (for one)
[21:01] <highvoltage> I guess it's time to move back to  #edubuntu :)
[21:01] <dhillonv10> highvoltage: yeah firefox takes a lot of memory :)
[21:01] <mhall119> I have 4GB now, I'm happy
[21:10] <alkisg> Well even if the installer worked with 128 RAM, the installed system would be unusable with anything below 512, so it doesn't really matter...
[21:21] <mhall119> I've had Qimo running on 128MB
[21:21] <mhall119> it's not great
[21:21] <mhall119> but 256 runs it just fine


[10:40] <throstur> how do I make my bzr commit also push to a remote url, instead of just committing locally?
[21:15] <LeoNerd> throstur: bzr bind


[09:21] <mup> PR snapcraft#2109 closed: sources: clean up IncompatibleOptionsError <Created by kalikiana> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2109>
[09:23] <DataLinkDroid> I noticed on the snapcraft.io website that about eleven languages are listed as having some kind of special support.
[09:24] <DataLinkDroid> How hard is it to package up a snap for a language (like Ada/GNAT) that does not have this specific support in snapcraft?
[09:25] <DataLinkDroid> Is it an easy matter to add such support? (Note that GNAT uses gcc.)
[10:10] <zyga> DataLinkDroid: It should be pretty easy. Snapcraft has generic makefile/shell plugins that let you write any compiler rules you want
[10:11] <zyga> The special support is just in using language native concepts such as supporting pip for python
[10:11] <zyga> For compiled languages it is even easier
[10:11] <DataLinkDroid> zyga: Thanks, yes I was just coming to that conclusion about using the make plugin.
[10:13] <DataLinkDroid> How does the auto update from GitHub repo work? Does it do an automatic recompile of the source code that changes on GitHub?
[10:15] <DataLinkDroid> That would mean specifying the build environment. Not sure how that would work. Perhaps a particular compiler is required for the build...
[10:17] <DataLinkDroid> Or is the GitHub update only used for scripting languages like Python, where for all intents and purposes, the text *is* the "binary".
[10:18] <DataLinkDroid> Sorry if I'm flooding with too many questions... :-)
[10:19] <DataLinkDroid> Maybe I just need to try it and see how it all fits together.
[10:23] <zyga> It is used for everything
[10:24] <zyga> Snapcraft.yaml describes how to do everything
[10:24] <zyga> The plugin system does most of the heavy lifting
[10:24] <zyga> But everything can be specified manually too
[10:24] <zyga> Build dependencies, etc
[10:24] <zyga> Look at snapcraft documentation
[10:25] <zyga> Also look at the forum, it has plenty of discussions to search
[10:29] <DataLinkDroid> zyga: Cool. Thank you. Will do.
[13:20] <ogra_> hmm, did the release page get cut down on dashbard.s.io ? i only get checkboxes for beta and edge in the release form
[13:22] <ogra_> ah, silly me ... the snap had "grade: devel" ... (an error/warning/notice on the form page would have been really nice)
[22:37] <Intruder777|1> hi. is there a way to run particular snap as non-root user


[12:09] <pitti> hm, so it seems that glibc wants to build some parts of it without ssp
[12:09] <doko> jbailey: no, libssp0 isn't really used, I should not build it, if we build on a glibc-2.4 based system
[12:10] <pitti> doko: hm, am I right that using something like "CC=gcc-4.1 -fno-stack-protector" should be exactly equivalent to the state gcc-4.1 was when it built the current glibc?
[12:11] <pitti> doko: then glibc would add -fstack-protector when it actually wants it, and for the cases it doesn't explicitly add it we would get the non-ssp behaviour again
[12:11] <doko> pitti: yes, that should do it
[12:12] <pitti> ok, worth a try in any case. I'll start a test build now, it should finish by the end of the meeting
[12:15] <pitti> 'k, I modified debian/rules, running now
[12:37] <doko> pitti: powerpc?
[12:39] <pitti> no, amd64
 jbailey: amd64 and i386 builds fail as well
[12:40] <pitti> ^ so testing on amd64 should be fine?
[12:40] <pitti> my laptop still runs dapper, and would take ages anyway
[12:40] <pitti> if I should test it on powerpc, I'll rather request the b-deps on davis
[12:40] <doko> pitti, jbailey: amd64 build using -fno-stack-protector succeeded
[12:41] <pitti> oh, they are there (the b-deps) on davis, how convenient
[12:41] <pitti> doko: ok, then your build was way faster
[12:42] <pitti> doko: I start a ppc test build now if you want me to
[12:42] <pitti> doko: on my amd64, I changed CC, but changing {BUILD,HOST}_CFLAGS should work as well; what did you use?
[12:43] <pitti> ok, ppc test build with 'CC=gcc-4.1 -fno-stack-protector' is running
[12:44] <pitti> jbailey: indeed most of the files in glibc are *not* build with explicit -fstack-protector; only 48 of them
[12:44] <pitti> so maybe upstream saw the same problem and is only gradually enabling it, who knows
[12:55] <pitti> hm, amd64 failed for me
[12:55] <pitti> when building the i386 version
[12:55] <pitti> checking for forced unwind support... no
[12:55] <pitti> configure: error: forced unwind support is required
[12:56] <pitti> also,
[12:56] <pitti> checking for -fstack-protector... no
[12:56] <pitti> ^ for the i386 build
[12:56] <pitti> the amd64 build worked fine
[01:02] <pitti> jbailey: hm, powerpc fails as well, but due to a completely unrelated issue
[01:02] <pitti> ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/powerpc/sys/procfs.h:56: error: conflicting types for 'elf_vrreg_t'
[01:02] <pitti> /home/pitti/glibc/glibc-2.4/debian/include/asm/elf.h:153: error: previous declaration of 'elf_vrreg_t' was here
[01:02] <pitti> and similar errors before that
[01:03] <doko> i386 works fine for me as well ...
[01:04] <pitti> hmm
[01:06] <doko> I have a slightly newer compiler version, but I doubt that changes anything
[01:06] <pitti> certainly not wrt that double declaration
[01:06] <pitti> maybe the davis chroot has an older compiler version
[01:08] <doko> no, I asked for dist-upgrades this or last week
[01:08] <pitti> hm, indeed it's the last version
[01:16] <jbailey> pitti: Right, that's a conflict in lkh tha tI need to work around, but that's easy enough.
[01:16] <jbailey> Sorry about the lag, had a meeting.
[02:50] <doko> jbailey: both i386 and amd64 build with -fno-stack-protector. cannot check the powerpc build.
[02:51] <doko> so it looks the outstanding issue is still long-double-128 ...
[02:51] <jbailey> Right, ppc I can get to build base don what I've seen
[02:54] <jbailey> I haven't looked much into the ldbl-128 stuff.  My understanding was that there were supposed to be compat symbols and handling for pre-stuff.
[02:54] <jbailey> Is that not the case?
[02:56] <doko> jbailey: no, take the libstlport4.6 from dapper, and try to link with it on a current edgy (I rebuilt libstlport4.6 this week, so you won't see it with the edgy stlport)
[02:57] <jbailey> Cool, thanks.
[03:24] <rodarvus> hi
[03:24] <rodarvus> I just received a bug report on xserver-xorg-input-synaptics -> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/54357/
[03:24] <rodarvus> dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.so: undefined symbol: __stack_chk_fail_local
[03:25] <rodarvus> can this bug be somehow related to the stack protection changes which happened recently?
[03:42] <pitti> hi
[03:43] <rodarvus> hi pitti
[03:43] <rodarvus> I just reported an (apparent) crash on xserver-xorg-input-synaptics here - do you want me to paste it to you in a private window?
[03:44] <rodarvus> (there)
[03:45] <doko> rodarvus: now you can try again ... ;-)
[03:45] <pitti> yep, got it
[03:46] <rodarvus> doko, thanks :)
[03:49] <pitti> rodarvus: hm, I have no clue where __stack_chk_fail_local() is defined
[03:49] <pitti> rodarvus: maybe the bst option is to build with -fno-stack-protector for now and keep a record of this in the SSP spec?
[03:50] <rodarvus> sure, I'll do it
[03:50] <rodarvus> I'll also ask ogra to test it to me before uploading, just to make sure all is fine
[03:50] <jbailey> pitti: Do you know what order command line arguments take precidence?  I'm wondering if for glibc if I can do "gcc -fno-stack-protector", and still have it enabled on the files it wants by having it add it later in the command line itself.
[03:51] <jbailey> I'll try it a bit later.  I have a couple urgent things first.
[03:51] <pitti> jbailey: yes, last one wins
[03:51] <doko> jbailey: you could check, if the __SSP__ macro is defined. but IIRC the last one wins
[03:51] <jbailey> Nice.  I'll try that for the glibc builds then.
[03:52] <pitti> jbailey: yesterday's test build went well with 'CC=gcc-4.1 -fno-stack-protector'
[03:52] <pitti> jbailey: apart from the duplicate symbol on powerpc that I pasted
[03:52] <pitti> rodarvus: ok, I add it to the wiki page so that we have a reference
[03:52] <pitti> rodarvus: is there an LP bug for it?
[03:53] <jbailey> Duplicate symbol?
[03:53] <jbailey> You mean the elf_vrrg_reg thing?
[03:53] <pitti> might be, yes
[03:53] <rodarvus> pitti, yes bug 54357
[03:54] <rodarvus> pitti -> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/54357/
[03:55] <pitti> rodarvus: ok, I added it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GccSsp
[03:56] <jbailey> pitti: 'kay.  I'll run it...
[03:56] <jbailey> or maybe I won't since my machine at home isn't on.
[03:56] <jbailey> X bug that I filed earlier this morning.  *sigh*
[03:56] <rodarvus> pitti, nice, thanks!
[03:56] <jbailey> So it'll be tonight when I get home to roll back X.
[03:56] <pitti> jbailey: use a DC porter machine?
[03:56] <rodarvus> jbailey, I didn't saw this bug
[03:56] <rodarvus> let me check
[03:57] <rodarvus> jbailey, apparently x-swat was not subscribed to this bug
[03:57] <jbailey> pitti: I could try, but in case I need to twiddle build-deps on something, I'd prefer to not half-start work in place and have to move it.
[03:57] <rodarvus> jbailey, what # is it?
[03:57] <jbailey> rodarvus: 54352
[03:59] <pitti> rodarvus, doko: ah, interesting reading on http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/hlfs-dev/2006-June/003031.html
[03:59] <rodarvus> jbailey, thanks, I'll have a look at it later today, hopefully
[03:59] <jbailey> rodarvus: Thanks, it appears to lock the machine solid, so I'm not sure how to get a bug report out of it.
[04:00] <jbailey> rodarvus: Any suggestions on how to debug this would be good - I'm sure we'll run up against this type of bug in support occasionally.
[04:04] <rodarvus> this kind of stuff is hard to debug, really -> a good start is the output of lspci -vv, Xorg.log.0 (if it is created) and if possible, Xorg.log.0.old (which should be from the previous version of the driver)
[04:04] <rodarvus> knowing what board exactly is installed is helpful to track related changes in upstream git repository, and also to contact upstream authors
[04:05] <jbailey> I'll see what I can drag up from the log files, but becaus eof the version skew on the ATI driver, I might not be able to get it.
[04:05] <rodarvus> indeed
[04:05] <jbailey> I upgraded the rest of X a day or so ago, but -ati- hadn't gone in, so X failed to load before.
[04:05] <rodarvus> jbailey, appreciated!
[04:05] <jbailey> Thanks.  It'll be tonight.  I'll also probably roll my machine back to the old version of X so I have it running, so I might get it for you that way ;)
[04:08] <rodarvus> :)
[04:08] <rodarvus> jbailey, you can probably also get the machine into a usable state by using the 'vesa' driver
[04:09] <rodarvus> (instead of returning all of the X libraries and drivers to the previous version
[04:10] <jbailey> Hmm.  For some reason I thoguht the R300s didn't have a working vesa mode.
[04:10] <jbailey> Thanks for the reminder =)
[04:12] <rodarvus> oh, its a R300
[04:12] <rodarvus> that might explain a few things :D
[04:12] <jbailey> Certainly ;)
[04:13] <jbailey> R300 on ppc64 is generally known to be.. special.
[04:13] <jbailey> But this is the first solid-hang on initialisation that I've seen with t.
[04:13] <jbailey> I already have the hardware acceleration disabled, which usually solves most of the problems.
[04:18] <rodarvus> hmm


[01:58] <dyek> Hi! I tried Lucid (10.04) kernel and it still doesn't boot as DomU: Error: (2, 'Invalid kernel', 'elf_xen_note_check: ERROR: Will only load images built for the generic loader or Linux images')
[02:01] <dyek> Here is the difference between the kernel configs of Ubuntu's kernel (error booting DomU) and Debian's kernel (bootable as DomU) -- search for "CONFIG_XEN=y", maybe... Could someone include Xen DomU support in future please?
[02:55] <dyek> Hmm...I think I might have found the reason why Ubuntu's kernel doesn't work as Xen DomU kernel -- it is likely caused by not setting CONFIG_M686 (I think CONFIG_M586 doesn't have the TSC support). https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2010-February/008727.html
[10:23] <dns53> what is the best way to compile a kernel, i think i might need a kvm bugfix from .33 on my machine
[10:25] <dns53> are there any good kernel ppa's?
[10:38] <Hedge|Hog> dns53: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[10:38] <dns53> thx


[19:43] <delac> On Raring (+ GNOME3 PPA) using gnome-session-fallback 3.8.0-0ubuntu1~raring1. But wasn't it announced that 3.8 would not have fallback mode? Does anyone know if that decision has been reverted or why there is such backage on GNOME3 PPA?
[19:48] <bjsnider> i thought fallback was deceased too
[19:48] <bjsnider> you have the classic mode available
[19:49] <SonikkuAmerica> delac: You have to install gnome-shell-extensions to enable classic mode. Fallback is dead, RIP. Want GNOME 2? Try MATE
[19:49] <delac> yes, that is what I thought. So WHY does it still exist?
[19:51] <SonikkuAmerica> delac: No one thought to remove it...?
[19:52] <delac> SonikkuAmerica: more like: why did they make 3.8 version of it if they plan to remove the thing?
[19:52] <jbicha> delac: what do you mean "breakage"?
[19:52] <delac> jbicha: what?
[19:52] <tommie-lie> jbicha: "backage" = "package"
[19:53] <tommie-lie> not breakage
[19:53] <delac> delac: sry, typo
[19:53] <jbicha> ah, well gnome-panel still sort of works and some people like it
[19:53] <SonikkuAmerica> jbicha: There are all sorts of nice white polygons where stuff used to be...
[19:53] <jbicha> some people like white polygons ;)
[19:54] <delac> so someone just repackaged the 3.6 version and hoped it would work?
[19:54] <SonikkuAmerica> What about white polygons that hide crucial GNOME tasks?
[19:55] <jbicha> are you using Metacity (No Effects) or Compiz?
[19:55] <delac> jbicha: compiz
[19:56] <jbicha> you're welcome to file bugs for things that don't work as Edubuntu is still attempting to ship gnome-panel by default; the problem is that it need developers but the developers are all working on GNOME Shell, Unity or other stuff
[19:57] <delac> jbicha: so the package is not really maintained anymore and probably removed as soon as it stops working?
[19:58] <jbicha> it's minimally maintained but no it won't be removed as long as Edubuntu still uses it
[19:59]  * SonikkuAmerica wonders why Edubuntu won't ship MATE
[19:59] <jbicha> the bugs in general are fixable; it just needs developers that care
[20:01] <jbicha> I believe MATE is just as broken (semi-working) with GNOME 3.8; MATE also has bugs of its own but more importantly isn't in Debian or Ubuntu yet
[20:02] <jbicha> if all you need is gnome-panel & related pieces, then gnome-panel 3.6/3.7 is a lot better and easier to maintain than a complete gnome2 fork
[20:21] <bjsnider> delac, why not use gnome-shell with the classic extensions?
[20:37] <delac> bjsnider: I have a custom setup built around compiz expo plugin that I like very much. But I'm going to migrate to Gnome Shell probably sooner than later due to other reasons.
[20:38] <bjsnider> gnome-shell does the same thing as the expo plugin in overview mode
[20:39] <delac> bjsnider: not quite
[20:40] <delac> delac: but I think it might be possible to create plugin so that it did
[22:07] <n0yd> hey guyds
[22:08] <n0yd> any of the regulars around? A;ll my normal stuff is working, but I just added the cinnmon ppa (i have lots of ppas), and I am running to depenendcy hell that I fcannoyt figure it out
[22:09] <SonikkuAmerica> n0yd: Oh hello
[22:09] <SonikkuAmerica> n0yd: Dependency hell? Pastebin please :)
[22:09] <n0yd> one sec
[22:10] <n0yd> Here is the pastebin
[22:11] <SonikkuAmerica> Where?
[22:11] <n0yd> Bascially., i use gnome30ubuntu as my nomrm al DE/WM, b but I also use nemo as myu FM. Wel;l oi figured why not add the [ppa for nightlies of cinnamon fror shgit and giggles
[22:11] <n0yd> http://pastebin.com/MyH7hzXs
[22:11] <n0yd> doh, my bad
[22:11] <n0yd> :P
[22:11] <n0yd> ubuntu-gnome*
[22:15] <jbicha> you don't need that ppa to use nemo since nemo is available in raring now
[22:16] <SonikkuAmerica> A solution seems to be to install caribou along with it, even though it's not supposed to be a dependency.
[22:16] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh look: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2116217&p=12511255#post12511255
[22:17] <SonikkuAmerica> Post by none other than jbicha himself.
[22:44] <jbicha> if you want to use cinnamon and GNOME 3.8 I believe you'll need to upgrade to saucy
[22:45] <SonikkuAmerica> jbicha: Huh? I use GNOME 3.8 with Raring with barely a problem. (The problem being with Ubuntu Tweak.)
[22:46] <delac> what problem there is with Tweak?
[22:47] <delac> any way to make Shell lighter for netbooks? Maybe disable some animations?
[22:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Tweak won't draw.
[22:51] <delac> does not seem to be problem from me. (only problem is that the Tweak window is too high for my 1024x600 netbook screen)
[23:16] <delac> hmm, are automatic extension updates in 3.8 or is this still on planning?


[00:00] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Hey - inquiring minds want to know - first :P
[00:00] <Wild_Man> HAHAHA
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[21:05] <wildmanne39> Hi krytarik, UWN never did receive an email about the new member added this past Wednesday right?
[21:06] <krytarik> Yeah, nope!
[21:07] <wildmanne39> Okay, I will send it, does it need to be added to the lists? if so I will have to see I about finding the list and if I still have access
[21:08] <krytarik> You can just send using your @ubuntu.com address and it'll be let through.
[21:08] <wildmanne39> I know it's best to have an official announcement
[21:08] <wildmanne39> Okay, I was wondering if that was the case
[21:09] <krytarik> Well, the least it does is summing up the details nicely.. :)
[21:09] <wildmanne39> Give me a few minutes and I will get it done
[21:39] <wildmanne39> krytarik, did I expire from the team my email is awaiting approval
[21:39] <guiverc> I don't see a 20.10 release annoucement in my news feed, krytarik
[21:39] <wildmanne39> If I did my email to renew must have went into my spam folder
[21:40] <krytarik> wildmanne39: Yeah I see, that's because you used your Gmail address.
[21:41] <krytarik> guiverc: I got one, but also here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2020-October/000263.html
[21:41] <krytarik> Well, I'm subbed to the announce ML, so I got the actual mail, but..
[21:42] <wildmanne39> Okay, I thought it automatically sent from my ubuntu email but I forgot I am using a different laptop
[21:42] <guiverc> thanks krytarik, if wildmanne39 hasn't started I'll do it  (grrrr it's in my spam folder!!)
[21:42] <wildmanne39> guiverc, I am busy with other things right now my life is very busy
[21:42] <krytarik> wildmanne39: So since you are also a ML admin, I guess you could let your own mail through then.. >_>
[21:43] <guiverc> understood, I'll mention when draft is ready on fridge
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[21:55] <guiverc> DRAFT of 20.10 released is on fridge (ready for approval)
[21:55] <krytarik> Ok, hold on..
[21:58] <wildmanne39> krytarik, yes I can
[22:01] <krytarik> guiverc: "ubuntu-announce mailing list" in the footer is missing the archive link, and we could lowercase the "Experience" bit I've mentioned to make it look less odd in our format - otherwise looks good though!
[22:01] <guiverc> I just realized I hadn't posted link you gave me... (half-sec before you said)
[22:03] <wildmanne39> I approved my email, if it does not come through in few minutes I will resend the email and make sure I use my ubuntu email
[22:04] <guiverc> s/Experience/experience & link on "ubuntu-announce mailing list" now (sorry about that one)
[22:04] <guiverc> do you want to look or paste ?
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[22:05] <krytarik> Looking..
[22:08] <krytarik> Alright!  Just while comparing the footer with previous posts, I've noticed that the author name on the 20.04.1 one has supposedly lost its italicness on copy-pasting. >_>
[22:08] <krytarik> wildmanne39: Yeah, got 'er now!
[22:09] <guiverc> I'll have a look and correct 20.04.1
[22:09] <wildmanne39> krytarik, awesome
[22:09] <guiverc> is 20.10 good to publish? krytarik
[22:09] <krytarik> Yep, as I just indicated. :)
[22:09] <guiverc> sorry, I'm half-zombie
[22:10] <guiverc> thanks krytarik
[22:10] <guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/10/22/ubuntu-20-10-groovy-gorilla-released/
[22:10] <krytarik> No problem, thanks for doing this!
[22:14] <guiverc> fixed http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/08/06/ubuntu-20-04-1-lts-released/
[22:16] <krytarik> Smoooth, thanks!
[22:19] <Bashing-om> wildmanne39: franksmcb - Membership Board notice - Did not find a link - has the announcement been released somewhere ?
[22:21] <krytarik> guiverc: "
Originally posted to the ubuntu-announce mailing list on Thu Aug 6 17:31:55 UTC 2020 by Łukasz ‘sil2100’ Zemczak, on behalf of the Ubuntu Release Team
" - hilariously enough btw, just as I've thought, now internally the italics get flipped on and off multiple  ...
[22:21] <krytarik> ... times, but that's ok. >_<
[22:23] <guiverc> I had trouble getting italics to show preview... evidence of the multiple attempts (and me not using code view)
[22:44] <wildmanne39> Bashing-om, not that I know of
[22:45] <wildmanne39> Bashing-om, does it go to just the normal announcement? I will see what I can do
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[22:48] <krytarik> Given that we've just produced the annoucement, aren't you two talking slightly past each other perhaps..? >_>
[22:52] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Just clearing up yesterday's bussiness with wildmanne39 on "New Member".
[23:11] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Yeah, after figuring that nobody ever sent any announcement yet, we've got this one now though: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2020-October/002935.html
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[23:26] <Bashing-om> krytarik: wildmanne39: ^ Works for me :P thanks .
[23:44] <wildmanne39> Bashing-om, I thought when I sent the email to the news team that the announcement was created but I was beginning to wonder by your question
[23:46] <wildmanne39> I am not receiving any emails from the news team I think I was unsubscribe when I was looking through my spam folder a couple of hours ago I saw what looked like it said that just as the email disappeared
[23:46] <Bashing-om> wildmanne39: In UWN I used https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2020-October/002936.html as the link - good with you ? Maybe David was slow in making up the notice ?
[23:48] <krytarik> Why would you pick a reply to the announcement rather than the latter itself?
[23:49] <wildmanne39> Bashing-om, I am not sure but the whole team expires the day after the CC election ends and they would not extend anyone's date, I have been expired for more then a year but I chaired that meeting, hopefully when the CC comes online in a couple of days they will renew everyone until an election can be help
[23:49] <wildmanne39> I was going to ask the same question
[23:49] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Lemme re-look as to the why -. And fix :P
[23:52] <Bashing-om> wildmanne39: David's annoumcent preceeds yours by one number ( 002935 ) .
[23:53] <krytarik> wildmanne39: Unless you just subbed to the team ML again, you are still on it with your @ubuntu.com address I just checked.
[23:53] <krytarik> Bashing-om: I think you are confusing numbers..
[23:54] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Ouch ! fixing !


[19:50] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:27] <mwhudson> morning
[20:41] <ajmitch> morning
[21:59] <olly> morning


[01:04] <jokerdino> so i can't seem to select gnome-shell in unity-greeter
[01:05] <trism> jokerdino: use tab, that's a bit broken for the moment
[01:05] <jokerdino> tab. alright. i'll try that in a moment.
[01:06] <trism> jokerdino: bug 1052453 , should be fixed soon
[01:07] <jokerdino> thanks trism. tab works fine for now.
[01:14] <ryaxnb9> hi guys i'm using Ubuntu 12.10 on a radeon 7750
[01:14] <ryaxnb9> compositing is very slow and fglrx won't install
[01:14] <ryaxnb9> is this going to be fixed on retail release (the fglrx issue)
[01:15] <ryaxnb9> or not?
[01:19] <jokerdino> ryaxnb9: file a bug report if necessary and hope for the best
[01:19] <ryaxnb9> it's not relaly a bug, msot likely
[01:19] <ryaxnb9> it's something between ATI blob drivers X.org
[01:19] <ryaxnb9> i was just wondering if there was an ETA on new ATi drivers
[01:20] <jokerdino> well i got intel drivers.
[01:20] <ryaxnb9> do they usually arrive in time for 12.10?
[01:20] <jokerdino> so, i don't keep tab on graphic drivers
[01:20] <ryaxnb9> ok
[01:20] <ryaxnb9> i have intel too, but added ati
[01:20] <ryaxnb9> i don't want to swap back just for linux, windows likes the amd
[01:21] <ryaxnb9> i can always not use compositing but that sucks :(
[01:21] <jokerdino> heh yeah
[01:55] <nicko_> Is this a bug.? drag selecting on Libreoffice writer on Ubuntu 12.10 cancels out after selecting many words?
[01:56] <trism> nicko_: maybe bug 1049025
[02:05] <jokerdino> looks like trism is the portable bug tracker.
[03:07] <ryaxnb> i propose for future AMD64 versions
[03:07] <ryaxnb> obviously i have no authority and i know not to suggest here, just wondering what you thought
[03:08] <ryaxnb> to require SSE3 on future AMD64 builds of Ubuntu
[03:08] <ryaxnb> as well as SSE2
[03:08] <ryaxnb> because 99% of processors currently in active use that are 64-bit are SSE3 capable, and the ones that aren't are almost certainly hooked to up to <4GB RAM
[03:09] <ryaxnb> Plus, sse3 optimizations enhance speed
[04:21] <min|dvir|us> Hi. My messages indicator is 1px wide. Any thoughts?
[04:44] <oisa> Has 12.10 broken anyone's install with inability to configure a kernel package?
[04:44] <oisa> 3.5.0-14 specifically
[08:21] <whitman> Are there any known issues with the intel i915 driver/xorg? I'm using two monitors and one of them is blank at the login screen and graphically corrupted after login.  I have to disable the monitor in the display settings and then re-enable to sort it out.
[08:21] <whitman> (Worked fine in 12.04)
[08:28] <whitman> Also, System Settings -> Details shows the Graphics as "Unknown" which might be related.
[08:45] <orangey> hello all
[08:45] <orangey> everything in quantal is incredibly slow despite my computer being lighting fast with 12.04
[08:45] <orangey> CPU never goes up
[08:46] <orangey> Memory is always at 2/16gb
[08:46] <orangey> and HD is an SSD
[08:46] <orangey> the computer was blazingly fast previously.
[08:46] <orangey> now it's like I'm back in 1995
[08:46] <orangey> any idea how i could debug it?
[08:52] <vincenzoml> Hi there. I am unable to run a gnome session in 12.10. Impossible to select it at login in lightdm due to a bug. So I edited .dmrc and even /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf but I still log in to unity
[08:54] <orangey> vincenzoml: sadly a known bug
[08:54] <orangey> use tab / shift tab, then enter
[08:54] <vincenzoml> orangey, but changing .dmrc should work shouldn't it?
[08:54] <vincenzoml> orangey, I will try tab anyway
[08:54] <orangey> I try not to be too theoretical.
[08:55] <vincenzoml> ok going back and trying now :) thanks
[08:56] <vincenzoml> thanks orangey
[08:56] <orangey> welcome
[08:56] <vincenzoml> It worked, I mean :)
[08:56] <orangey> I figured.
[08:56] <orangey> congrats
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:43] <FunnyLookinHat> Is anyone aware of a way to get the contacts in Empathy to be small like they could be set to in 12.04 ?
[13:44] <FunnyLookinHat> It doesn't seem to be an option anywhere anymore...
[14:19] <johnjohn101> ok, how do i turn this amazon stuff OFF
[14:25] <Pici> !adlens
[14:30] <johnjohn101> i get that canonical needs to make $ but I can' t have my family see this everytime I use the computer
[14:30] <penguin42> nod
[14:30] <penguin42> johnjohn101: Now I'm curious, is that because they'll start buying too much ? :-)
[14:32] <johnjohn101> already getting too many requests as it is for disney stuff
[14:47] <abc__> in Lubuntu 12.10 beta there is no automatic official gpu installation tool, will it be available in release?
[14:47] <abc__> official gpu driver*
[14:47] <johnjohn101> 12.10 already looking so good btw.  can't wait to put on home computer.
[14:54] <abc__> well i had like 8 crashes in one hour on lubuntu 12.10, still needs a lot of work i think
[14:54] <abc__> i had one chromium crash, one pcmanfm crash and the rest were gnome mplayer crashes
[14:56] <johnjohn101> i haven't checked out chromium yet.  let me see as well
[14:59] <penguin42> chromium on 12.10 seems to have been very touchy for me
[15:02] <johnjohn101> which version will be installed by 12.10.  i usually run the version i get off google site
[15:04] <genii-around> !info chromium-browser quantal
[15:08] <johnjohn101> wow software center crashing like crazy
[15:11] <johnjohn101> version 22 is currrent stable
[15:16] <johnjohn101> is there a reason that ubuntu is a few versions behind in chrome for official releases?
[15:32] <genii-around> !newest
[15:41] <bjsnider> johnjohn101, i don't think there are a lot of full-time people working on chromium-browser packages, and there was a hard drive space problem on the build system too
[15:41] <johnjohn101> curiosity mostly, no one really cares as long as they can get facebook loaded!
[15:42] <bjsnider> the folks who do the chromium work also work on firefox development, which is a higher priority
[15:43] <penguin42> it's a pity because I do prefer chromium (and have done for a few years) but the quantal packages is very fragile for me
[15:44] <BluesKaj> johnjohn101,no one ?
[15:45] <johnjohn101> BluesKaj:  my family uses fb in the browser more than any other app on the comptuer
[15:45] <johnjohn101> kind of sad in a lot of ways
[15:47] <BluesKaj> yeeah , agreed ..facebook has stolen ppl's curiosity about the rest of the internet ..i's like a a huge gossip page
[15:47] <johnjohn101> i like being able to see pics of friends and certain life events ( holidays, school, accomplishments) but the rest of it is total garbage.
[15:51] <bjsnider> i think there's probably a generation gap involved in that opinion
[15:52] <BluesKaj> facebook's format change is for the worse , but not using it enough leaves me unable figure out, how to go back
[15:54] <johnjohn101> wait until they start shoving ads into your face.
[15:56] <BluesKaj> generation gap , maybe, but I don't need something like facebook to communicate with friends and relatives ...I know ppl who can';t live without it
[15:57] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, and they're close to my age
[15:57] <johnjohn101> to me it's best for pics of friends and family.   There's an upstream Linux mainline kernel bug about it, report/check there for a fix/workaround.
[17:39] <C-S-B> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1042213
[17:42] <C-S-B> Now I wait...
[17:49] <TJ-> C-S-B: I found a workaround/fix but it was a while ago
[17:49] <C-S-B> If you find it, I would be grateful.
[17:54] <TJ-> C-S-B: The kernel bug is https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/1381741/   and I recall the fix was to use the v3.5.4 mainline-build from the kernel-team PPA http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.5.4-quantal/
[17:56] <TJ-> C-S-B:  the Ubuntu 3.5.4 kernel shows in its changelog that it includes the 2 patches that fix the issue:
[17:56] <TJ-> "Bryan Schumaker (2):
[17:56] <TJ->       NFS: Clear key construction data if the idmap upcall fails
[17:56] <TJ->       NFS: return -ENOKEY when the upcall fails to map the name
[17:56] <TJ-> "
[17:57] <C-S-B> TJ-,  J ust installing now. :D
[18:01] <ironhalik> Anybody else got the messeging menu icon broken?
[18:02] <C-S-B> TJ ouch, that kernel was a mess.
[18:02] <TJ-> Really, why?
[18:03] <TJ-> ironhalik: several reports yesterday about that
[18:03] <C-S-B> Wrong gfx, no wifi
[18:03] <C-S-B> *resolution
[18:04] <C-S-B> I've rolled back to 3.2
[18:06] <trism> C-S-B: you installed linux-image-extras too right?
[18:06] <C-S-B> yup
[18:07] <trism> just checking, I missed that early in the quantal cycle
[18:07] <johnjohn101> last beta out tomorrow.  when will pidgin indicators be fixed?
[18:07] <C-S-B> Err... actually
[18:07] <C-S-B> I installed: linux-headers-3.5.4-030504_3.5.4-030504.201209142010_all.deb
[18:07] <C-S-B> linux-headers-3.5.4-030504-generic_3.5.4-030504.201209142010_amd64.deb
[18:07] <C-S-B> linux-image-3.5.4-030504-generic_3.5.4-030504.201209142010_amd64.deb
[18:11] <TJ-> C-S-B: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds#Installing_Mainline_Kernels
[18:12] <C-S-B> TJ-,  my bad
[18:13] <trism> johnjohn101: doesn't look like it will be in for beta 2 but it is assigned so I imagine we will see it before the final release, bug 1040259
[18:21] <C-S-B> You'll all be glad to know that's working.
[18:21] <C-S-B> #cheers!
[18:21] <C-S-B> trism, that's pretty late to put a fix in for a pretty bad bug.
[18:33] <johnjohn101> trism: tx
[18:57] <ironhalik> anyone noticed any problems with WLAN?
[18:57] <ironhalik> WWAN*
[18:57] <ironhalik> :>
[18:57] <ironhalik> it shows 'registration denied'
[19:00] <Galvatron> Hi
[19:01] <Galvatron> Is it possible to disable these "overlay" titlebars in Compiz "Scale" mode?
[19:12] <johnhamelink> Hey guys
[19:12] <johnhamelink> I am running wmfs2 on ubuntu. I want to launch it using .xinitrc so i can run some other Startup scripts at the same time. I'm on 12.10. Any hints?
[19:12] <penguin42> wmfs2?
[19:12] <johnhamelink> penguin42, http://wmfs.info/
[19:13] <johnhamelink> it's a tiling WM
[19:13] <penguin42> ah
[19:13] <johnhamelink> I'm currently running it with an xsession file
[19:13] <johnhamelink> But I can't run any startup scripts post-x, pre-wmfs2
[19:14] <johnhamelink> (afaik)
[19:14] <johnhamelink> I've done this before by building a .xinitrc file that sets everything up then execs wmfs2
[19:15] <penguin42> and that isn't working on 12.10?
[19:15] <johnhamelink> that way everything is setup upon login
[19:15] <johnhamelink> penguin42, Well I'm not sure how to get .xinitrc to work
[19:15] <johnhamelink> it doesn't show up on the login screen
[19:15] <johnhamelink> I'm on Beta1 btw
[19:15] <penguin42> it's some years since I used an .xinitrc
[19:15] <johnhamelink> penguin42, is there a better way to do it these days?
[19:16] <penguin42> johnhamelink: WHy would you expect it to show up on the login screen?
[19:16] <johnhamelink> with GDM it always worked that way
[19:16] <penguin42> oh, in that case I'm out of ideas - I wouldn't have expected it to
[19:16] <johnhamelink> :(
[19:37] <trism> johnhamelink: you could write a script to start up all the stuff you want, then write an xsession .desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions/ pointing to the script
[20:00] <bjsnider> jbicha, what is your view of nautilus 3.6?
[20:00] <bjsnider> i'm reading mccann's post about it now
[20:01] <jbicha> bjsnider: I like Nautilus 3.6 a lot better than previous Nautilus releases, it looks great on Ubuntu & it will get a bit more polishing for 3.8
[20:02] <bjsnider> that's obviously not a view shared by that mint guy
[20:02] <jbicha> Mint is chasing a different audience
[20:03] <bjsnider> i'm not sure what the hell he was complaining about really
[20:03] <jbicha> "beautiful" is a bit subjective, but for what I use Nautilus for, 3.6 is more usable
[20:05] <jbicha> compact view and split panes apparently are a big deal to some people
[20:05] <bjsnider> not to me
[20:05] <bjsnider> does search actuallyw ork now?
[20:06] <jbicha> bjsnider: works for me, if you're on quantal, you can use the gnome3 ppa to give it a try
[20:06] <bjsnider> i'll get that set up this weekend
[20:07] <bjsnider> "new folder with selection". that's awesome stuff
[20:10] <jbicha> I believe 3.8 will get rid of the need for right-click (with the selection thing that Documents does) so that it'll be fully usable on a touchscreen
[20:56] <nixiedoesalpine> helloo again any chance of getting this bug solved in 12.10 ?
[20:56] <nixiedoesalpine> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1019669
[20:59] <penguin42> nixiedoesalpine: Have you tried quantal on it? It's worth a go?
[21:00] <nixiedoesalpine> yea
[21:00] <nixiedoesalpine> same problem
[21:00] <nixiedoesalpine> 12.10 beta1
[21:00] <penguin42> OK, can you add a note to that it still happens on quantal, also what happens if you try it from a live cd, does the networking work?
[21:01] <nixiedoesalpine> yea live cd works
[21:01] <nixiedoesalpine> after installation to hard disk most of the websites do not open
[21:01] <penguin42> nixiedoesalpine: OK, can you also add that to the note
[21:01] <nixiedoesalpine> how to do taht
[21:02] <penguin42> nixiedoesalpine: Just go to the bug and add a comment at the end just saying it works fine on the live cd, but not on the hard drive install and exactly which version you tried it on, also do you still get that error in the dmesg output?
[21:03] <nixiedoesalpine> guys what to do now should i stick to windows
[21:04] <penguin42> nixiedoesalpine: It might be worth trying something like Fedora linux instead to see if that works; your bug is a bit odd, if it works in the live cd but not the install, but from that dmesg it does look kernel related
[21:05] <nixiedoesalpine> but 12.10 3.5 kernel i think same problem
[21:05] <nixiedoesalpine> 12.10 has different kernel?
[21:05] <nixiedoesalpine> :)
[21:06] <penguin42> 12.10 is 3.5.4
[21:06] <nixiedoesalpine> yep
[21:06] <penguin42> sorry
[21:06] <penguin42> no
[21:06] <penguin42> nixiedoesalpine: But it seems a bit more complex than just the kernel if it works on hte live cd with the same kernel; so it might be worth trying fedora just in case
[21:06]  * penguin42 has to disappear for a while
[21:06] <nixiedoesalpine> lol
[21:07] <nixiedoesalpine> funny bum


[10:24] <drakonslayor> Hi, wondering if anyone here can help me out
[11:53] <Tribaal> drakonslayor: if you expose your problem, maybe we can determine that :)
[11:55] <drakonslayor> been trying to extract a public gpg key with seahorse and for the life of me have no idea how
[11:56] <drakonslayor> apparently older versions had a simple button... but for some reason they got rid of that
[11:57] <Tribaal> drakonslayor: how about "gpg --export --armor <keyID>" ?
[11:58] <Tribaal> or is that not what you ask?
[11:58] <drakonslayor> is that how you extract the public key?
[11:58] <drakonslayor> lol
[11:58] <drakonslayor> sorry new to the whole thing
[11:58] <Tribaal> drakonslayor: that is how you get a public key block yeah
[11:59] <Tribaal> what are you trying to "extract the public key" for?
[11:59] <Tribaal> if you want to i.e. host it on your blog, then that's what you should put up (gpg --export --armor <keyid>)
[12:00] <drakonslayor> to give to my friend so he can decrypt my encrypted data
[12:00] <Tribaal> ah
[12:00] <Tribaal> so, what I said is one option
[12:00] <Tribaal> the other option is to use a keyserver
[12:00] <Tribaal> uploading your public key there makes it searchable
[12:01] <Tribaal> but before you do, you must generate a revocation certificate if you haven't already
[12:01] <Tribaal> you *MUST*
[12:01] <Tribaal> since it's impossible to delete keys once uploaded
[12:01] <Tribaal> :)
[12:02] <Tribaal> drakonslayor: wait a second - if you give your public key to your friend he can *encrypt secret messages to you*
[12:02] <Tribaal> but he cannot decrypt what you encrypt
[12:03] <Tribaal> you need *his* public key for that :)
[12:03] <drakonslayor> yeah sorry i said that the wrong way around :P
[12:03] <Tribaal> oh ok :)
[12:03] <drakonslayor> thanks
[12:04] <Tribaal> drakonslayor: don't hesitate to ping me if you need more help with gpg - I'll do my best :)
[12:05] <drakonslayor> thanks :)