[19:23] <tomreyn> quasi6: if you want to use it, just unpack that archive to, say, your home directory, then cd filezilla3/bin and run filezilla there
[19:24] <quasi6> I'll try that
[19:24] <Dom___> hello can anyone help me i kinda messed up my ubuntu ... i just wanted to upgrade php from 5.6 to 7.0 .... then my nginx wouldn't use the new php version and my mysql server now won't start anymore .... please help me at least ... where to check to find a solution because online there are million different solving hints but don't know which fits for me
[19:24] <LissajousPattern> xangua, ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned child 1609
[19:25] <xangua> Dom___: you could start by detailing what you did
[19:25] <Dom___> installing php7 with apt-get
[19:25] <tomreyn> Dom___: also state your ubuntu release
[19:26] <tomreyn> lsb_release -d
[19:26] <LissajousPattern> xangua, and then two more lines statign send continue signal and waiting for continue signal
[19:26] <LissajousPattern> thats all
[19:26] <Dom___> ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS
[19:26] <nacc> Dom___: there is on php7 in ubuntu 14.04, you must be using a PPA
[19:27] <Dom___> and as far as i can tell php 5.6 and 7 are installed right now
[19:27] <tomreyn> s/ on / no /
[19:27] <Dom___> repository ppa:ondrej/php
[19:27] <quasi6> tomreyn: could you clarify the command I need to run once I move the directory to my home folder?
[19:27] <nacc> tomreyn: thanks :)
[19:28] <tomreyn> :)
[19:28] <Dom___> and i'm kinda suffering since 2 days now since it drives me crazy :(
[19:28] <OerHeks> Dom___, for php7, just upgrade to 16.04, natively supported.
[19:28] <OerHeks> don't rely on ppa's
[19:28] <nacc> Dom___: PPAs aren't supported here, unfortunately. Yes, ondrej's PPA does allow you to use PHP5 and PHP7 at the same time, but how to configure nginx for that is out of scope for this channel
[19:28] <nacc> Dom___: as OerHeks says, if you want to migrate to PHP 7, in a supported fashion, upgrade releases
[19:28] <tomreyn> quasi6: ~/FileZilla3/bin/filezilla
[19:29] <stan_man_can> Well, I'm super disappointed at how bad the bluetooth support is on linux right now
[19:29] <Dom___> upgrade releases means upgrade ubuntu ?
[19:29] <stan_man_can> new headset pairs with everything else no problem
[19:29] <stan_man_can> phones, laptops, other desktop, but no dice in ubuntu
[19:29] <Dom___> and how can i get my mysql back up running? :-O :(
[19:29] <nacc> stan_man_can: bluetooth is unfortunately a bit of voodoo, some of it is hardware/driver stuff that is all done proprietarily by the vendors
[19:30] <nacc> stan_man_can: often you can find out the reason in the logs, for the failure to pair
[19:30] <tomreyn> Dom___: find out why it's not running (I assume that's the case based on what you just said) and try to fix it so that it runs again.
[19:31] <stan_man_can> nacc, what logs should I check out?
[19:31] <Dom___> the var/log/mysql/error.log is empty
[19:31] <nacc> stan_man_can: i'd check /var/log/syslog, journalctl maybe
[19:31] <stan_man_can> nacc, it pairs, it just doesn't let me use it as a headset
[19:31] <zetheroo1> I have video's shot with a DSLR camera (1080p). The files are pretty large - 1GB = @ 6 min. I would like to transcode them to make them not quite so large but still maintain the quality. Does anyone know of a program that can do that?
[19:31] <Dom___> tomreyn: it shows only "was shut down properly" but no really error
[19:31] <nacc> stan_man_can: one sec, i did have to do something here for bluetooth audio
[19:31] <stan_man_can> Ubuntu says its pairing successfully but the headset isn't giving me the audible "Pairing Successful" like all other devices it connects to
[19:31] <nacc> stan_man_can: let me see if i can find it
[19:31] <stan_man_can> kk
[19:32] <tomreyn> Dom___: then just start it?
[19:33] <nacc> stan_man_can: iirc, i had to make the changes in c#2 at https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=197482 to get it to work
[19:33] <Dom___> tomreyn: ^^ i tried ... start: Job failed to start    (which gives one hundret different solutions online but no clue which is fitting)
[19:33] <OerHeks> stan_man_can, are you sure this is not just an A2DP setting? http://askubuntu.com/questions/775523/after-updating-to-16-04-bluetooth-audio-a2dp-mode-stopped-working
[19:33] <Dom___> tomreyn: so you have no idea where to check
[19:33] <nacc> Dom___: look at the logs and see why it failed to start
[19:33] <nacc> OerHeks: yep, that's my guess ( stan_man_can the link i provided is how you get the correct mode working, iirc)
[19:33] <digitacion-01_> hola
[19:34] <digitacion-01_> :v
[19:34] <tomreyn> Dom___: check the log files. mysql server log files can be located in different directories. unless configured in /etc/mysql/my.cnf or /etc/my.cnf the log files are likely at one of these locations: /var/log/mysql* /var/log/mysql/* /var/lib/mysql/
[19:34] <ioria> LissajousPattern, add some extensions or add-ons ?
[19:34] <Dom___> nacc: which logs? because the mysql errorlog is empty
[19:34] <stan_man_can> OerHeks, I saw that but I don't have an audio.conf in that directory
[19:34] <nacc> Dom___: journaltcl should say why it failed to start
[19:34] <digitacion-04> HOLA :V MANITO
[19:34] <nacc> Dom___: or try to run mysql manually
[19:34] <LissajousPattern> not that i know of unless one was added during apt-get update/upgrade
[19:34] <digitacion-01_> :V mano en que estas :v
[19:34] <nacc> digitacion-04: this is not a chat channel
[19:34] <tomreyn> nacc: ubuntu 14.04
[19:34] <stan_man_can> nacc, i'll take a look at that thread
[19:35] <nacc> tomreyn: oh right :/
[19:35] <digitacion-04> QUE PEDO
[19:35] <nacc> tomreyn: syslog maybe ?
[19:35] <ioria> LissajousPattern, have you tried to purge it (sudo apt-get purge firefox) and reinstall ?
[19:35] <LissajousPattern> ioria, i have not been able to get either firefox or chromium to work after update/upgrade.
[19:35] <LissajousPattern> yes
[19:35] <quasi6> tomreyn: when I execute, nothing happens
[19:35] <tomreyn> nacc: syslog or damon.log
[19:35] <nacc> tomreyn: ack
[19:35] <stan_man_can> OerHeks, is the absence of /etc/bluetooth/audio.conf a concern? Running 16 .04
[19:35] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  fresh install or upgrade ?
[19:36] <LissajousPattern> fresh install on both lubuntu and xubuntu
[19:36] <tomreyn> Dom___: also check /var/log/syslog and / or /var/log/daemon.log for lines about mysql
[19:36] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  16.04 or 16.10 ?
[19:36] <nacc> stan_man_can: i have no such file either
[19:36] <LissajousPattern> both
[19:36] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  now, i mean
[19:36] <LissajousPattern> xubuntu 16.04 and lubuntu 16.10
[19:36] <nacc> stan_man_can: if i had to guess, i think it's a pulse issue, more than anything else
[19:36] <LissajousPattern> right now xubuntu 16.04
[19:37] <nacc> stan_man_can: although if your headset is not reporting it's paired (even if ubuntu is), that's odd
[19:37] <tomreyn> quasi6: try it from a temrinal window then. start a terminal, then type: cd ~/FileZilla3/bin/; -/filezilla
[19:37] <tomreyn> quasi6: and press enter
[19:37] <LissajousPattern> ioria, firefox was working fine about a week ago or so
[19:37] <Dom___> tomreyn: syslog and log daemon is empty
[19:37] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  i see uname -r ?
[19:38] <Dom___> nacc: journaltclt ? meaning what? working how?
[19:38] <tomreyn> Dom___: like, there are no lines in there at all?
[19:38] <LissajousPattern> 4.4.0-57-generic
[19:38] <nacc> Dom___: nm, on journalctl that's not present in 14.04
[19:38] <stan_man_can> nacc, yeah and ubuntu says its paired but doesn't list it as a headset
[19:38] <Dom___> mysql config says log is in /var/log/mysql/error.log <-- which is empty
[19:38] <tomreyn> Dom___: journalctl is a command which only exists since ubuntu 15.10 onwards, not on ubuntu 14.04
[19:38] <OerHeks> nacc, odd, this page states that the conf is removed years ago .. i love online info (not)
[19:39] <nacc> OerHeks: :)
[19:39] <OerHeks> stan_man_can ^ ^ https://github.com/blueman-project/blueman/issues/174
[19:39]  * tomreyn got to go
[19:39] <Dom___> tomreyn: no lines at all
[19:39] <nacc> Dom___: just try running the mysql server in the foreground, see why, if it fails to start
[19:40] <tomreyn> Dom___: so your logging daemon does not work properly, was uninstalled, or uses a non-standard configuration.
[19:40] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  can you try the Guest Account ?
[19:40] <LissajousPattern> sure
[19:40] <quasi6> tomreyn: no such file in directory, which I don't understand since I have the pathway correct
[19:40] <Dom___> nacc: how do i run it in the foreground with the commandline?
[19:41] <tomreyn> Dom___: you should definitely fix the logging, too (maybe later on). its very important to be able to diagnose problems on any server.
[19:41] <stan_man_can> OerHeks, Kinda confused about whats going on in that thread
[19:41] <LissajousPattern> still fails to open
[19:41] <stan_man_can> still can't tell if audio.conf should or should not be there
[19:41] <tomreyn> quasi6: whats the name of the directory you moved into your home directory?
[19:41] <Dom___> tomreyn: i know it is ... ^^ i would love to fix it knowing how to
[19:41] <LissajousPattern> ioria, it just brings up mozilla crash reporter
[19:41] <nacc> Dom___: `mysqld_safe --log-error=/var/log/mysql.err`, maybe
[19:42] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  start it in terminal
[19:42] <tomreyn> quasi6: sorry really gotta go now
[19:42] <quasi6> /home/user/.FileZilla3/bine
[19:42] <quasi6> *bin
[19:42] <quasi6> That's fine, thank you for your help though
[19:42] <LissajousPattern> same thing crash
[19:42] <Dom___> nacc: nope not working
[19:42] <nacc> Dom___: what does it say?
[19:43] <Dom___> command not found and unknown variable
[19:43] <LissajousPattern> ioria, ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned child 1609
[19:43] <nacc> Dom___: i'm sort of assuming if you're running a mysql server, you know how to run mysql from the command line
[19:43] <ioria> LissajousPattern, yes a bug ... i guess https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1594953
[19:43] <nacc> Dom___: let me spin up a trusty instance, but really, you should know this if you want to run these services ...
[19:43] <ioria> LissajousPattern, but not your case
[19:44] <Dom___> nacc: awesome thanks
[19:44] <stan_man_can> OerHeks, Not sure if this is relevant https://github.com/blueman-project/blueman/issues/611
[19:45] <ioria> LissajousPattern, ok, let's try to remove from your home folder all the mozilla/firefox directories
[19:46] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  ~/.mozilla   ; ~/.cache/mozilla
[19:46] <LissajousPattern> yes done
[19:47] <nacc> Dom___: in 14.04, running 'mysqld_safe' works corrctly
[19:47] <ioria> LissajousPattern,    sudo apt-get purge firefox
[19:47] <nacc> Dom___: at this point, i have no idea what you're running that would produce different results
[19:47] <LissajousPattern> i cant under guest account
[19:48] <ioria> LissajousPattern,    ho, still there ?
[19:48] <LissajousPattern> yeah
[19:48] <Dom___> it's ubuntu for raspi .... sometimes it says "llubuntu" ?! not sure if there is a difference?
[19:48] <ioria> LissajousPattern,    please, login your user
[19:48] <LissajousPattern> ok
[19:49] <ioria> LissajousPattern, remove  ~/.mozilla      ~/.cache/mozilla and  apt-get purge firefox
[19:49] <nacc> Dom___: iirc, 14.04's raspi was unofficial
[19:49] <nacc> Dom___: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RaspberryPi
[19:49] <LissajousPattern> ok
[19:50] <LissajousPattern> ioria, done
[19:50] <stan_man_can> OerHeks, nacc the whole thing is messed up. Say I'm paired with my laptop and phone. If I pair with Ubuntu, Ubuntu says pairing complete but it doesn't complete on my headset side. So I hit cancel. when I do that, it unpairs with all my other devices
[19:50] <xangua> I just set up some cheap BT headphones with no issues
[19:50] <stan_man_can> It then also says PXC 550 Connection: Off, Pair:Yes Type: All Types
[19:50] <Dom___> nacc: okay so it is somehow different than the one everybody is talking about here?! didn't know that
[19:51] <stan_man_can> xangua, is your bluetooth adapter built into your computer or is it an dongle?
[19:51] <xangua> stan_man_can: built in
[19:51] <stan_man_can> I'm wondering if the issue is my dongle
[19:51] <OerHeks> stan_man_can, .. you try to connect with other active devices you paired before, around??
[19:51] <nacc> stan_man_can: could be the dongle, could be some bit of the process that's specific to it that linux isn't doing
[19:51]  * OerHeks facepalms
[19:51] <xangua> I have a dongle but haven't used it since 2010
[19:52] <stan_man_can> Unfortunately my shitty motherboard doesn't have bluetooth
[19:52] <nacc> Dom___: it feels different -- also using PPAs makes it difficult (impossible) to support here
[19:52] <ioria> LissajousPattern, apt-get install firefox
[19:52] <stan_man_can> OerHeks, I have to re-pair with all my other devices after it tries to pair with ubuntu
[19:52] <Dom___> nacc: ok is there a channel i can go to on irc?
[19:52] <LissajousPattern> ioria, yeah i was about to ask if leaving it uninstalled was the solution...hahaha
[19:53] <Dom___> nacc: thanks for trying to help me :) very nice of you
[19:53] <stan_man_can> OerHeks, I'm confused at your question
[19:53] <ioria> LissajousPattern, right :þ
[19:53] <stan_man_can> OerHeks, but the headset can succesfully be paired and connected to multiple devices at the same time
[19:53] <nacc> Dom___: unfortunately i really don't know
[19:53] <LissajousPattern> ioria, thanks for the help by the way
[19:53] <ioria> LissajousPattern, no prob looks like an ugly bug
[19:53] <LissajousPattern> yeah
[19:53] <nacc> stan_man_can: that's surprising, is that a change in bt? because none of my devices can do that :)
[19:53] <LissajousPattern> so just try to open it as always?
[19:54] <ioria> LissajousPattern, from gui, first
[19:54] <OerHeks> stan_man_can, now i am stunned, never seen nor tried that before ..
[19:54] <stan_man_can> Not sure, I'm new to the bluetooth world
[19:54] <ioria> LissajousPattern, yes
[19:54] <stan_man_can> However, the heaset lets me pair up to 8 devices
[19:54] <LissajousPattern> ioria, no go still fails
[19:54] <ioria> LissajousPattern, from terminal ?
[19:54] <nacc> stan_man_can: ok, so i'd try with no devices paired and just getting ubuntu to work, first :)
[19:54] <stan_man_can> It will say "Device 1 connected. Device 2 connected."
[19:55] <stan_man_can> nacc, yeah have tried
[19:55] <nacc> stan_man_can: that sounds like possibly a 'new' mode for bt, which maybe linux doesn't support? i genuinely don't know
[19:55] <LissajousPattern> ioria, same as before
[19:55] <LissajousPattern> fail
[19:55] <stan_man_can> let me try to clear the paire list and try again
[19:55] <nacc> stan_man_can: have you tried (i hate to say this) googling for people using your headset or bt adapter with ubuntu?
[19:55] <stan_man_can> nacc, yeah I've tried both
[19:55] <stan_man_can> it's a premium headset though so not a lot out there
[19:55] <ioria> LissajousPattern, you are on xubuntu 16.04 right now ?
[19:55] <nacc> stan_man_can: ok, was just a shot in the dark, i don't like suggesting that normally
[19:55] <LissajousPattern> yes
[19:55] <stan_man_can> i don't blame you no worries
[19:56] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  sudo apt full-upgrade   what it says ?
[19:56] <nacc> stan_man_can: you're on 16.04, right?
[19:57] <stan_man_can> nacc, yes
[19:57] <stan_man_can> One really frustrating thing is that a) even when the headset is pairing my desktop can't always find it
[19:57] <nacc> stan_man_can: how are you checking for the desktop finding it? bluetooth settings?
[19:57] <LissajousPattern> ioria, 0 upgraded, 0 newly, 0 to remove 0 not upgraded
[19:57] <stan_man_can> and b) for a brief minute last night it appeared to be setup right, blueman said it was an audio device and everything.
[19:57] <stan_man_can> nacc, I've tried in bluetooth settings and blueman
[19:58] <nacc> stan_man_can: ok, i don't use blueman at all
[19:58] <nacc> stan_man_can: fwiw :)
[19:58] <nacc> stan_man_can: bluetoothd is what is running here
[19:58] <stan_man_can> nacc, alright well using bluetooth settings right now
[19:58] <nacc> stan_man_can: from the 'bluez' package
[19:59] <void__> exit
[19:59] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  cat ~/.xsession-errors    ?
[19:59] <stan_man_can> nacc, not sure if it makes a difference but if i try to run bluetoothd from terminal I get D-Bus setup failed: Connection ":1.164" is not allowed to own the service "org.bluez" due to security policies in the configuration file
[20:00] <nacc> stan_man_can: hrm, mine is running in the bg already , is there one already running?
[20:00] <nacc> stan_man_can: also may need sudo
[20:01] <LissajousPattern> ioria, no file or directory
[20:01] <stan_man_can> nacc, ah with sudo it's Name already in use so ig uess it's running
[20:01] <stan_man_can> nacc, yeah ps aux shows  /usr/lib/bluetooth/bluetoothd
[20:02] <nacc> stan_man_can: ok
[20:02] <ioria> LissajousPattern,   are you on a low specs pc ?
[20:02] <LissajousPattern> yeah
[20:02] <ioria> LissajousPattern,   kind ?
[20:02] <LissajousPattern> but it literally was working last week
[20:02] <stan_man_can> nacc, ahhhhhhhh FML
[20:02] <stan_man_can> Device Search is showing PXC 550 as a headset right now
[20:02] <stan_man_can> but pairing fails
[20:02] <LissajousPattern> sempron 2800+ 1.5GB ram
[20:02] <stan_man_can> :'(
[20:03] <ioria> LissajousPattern,   1) your specs 2) try to boot the previous kernel from Grub menu
[20:03] <ioria> ok, sy
[20:03] <stan_man_can> nacc, okay so it  paid with it as a headset but my headset is still in pairing mode so somethings wacky
[20:03] <ioria> LissajousPattern,   try to boot the previous kernel from Grub menu
[20:04] <LissajousPattern> sure i will try
[20:04] <LissajousPattern> hold shift right?
[20:04] <ioria> yep
[20:04] <stan_man_can> nacc, also, it's still not listed in sound as an output device
[20:04] <ioria> LissajousPattern,   if you have problems we can edit /etc/default/grub to make it show up
[20:04] <nacc> stan_man_can: ok, just fyi, i just paired my bt headset :/
[20:04] <nacc> stan_man_can: on 16.10, admittedly
[20:04] <nacc> stan_man_can: i connected, it wasn't playing audio
[20:04] <stan_man_can> nacc, build in bluetooth, or a dongle?
[20:04] <LissajousPattern> ioria, this would be the second time a kernel upgrade has caused my legacy hardware to break
[20:05] <nacc> stan_man_can: so i went settings -> bluetooth -> devices -> clicked on the device. turned connection off and on and i got the "bloop" on the headset of it connecting
[20:05] <ioria> LissajousPattern,   yep, but the poit is that you are on a fresh install :þ
[20:05] <nacc> stan_man_can: it said "paired" the whole time, though
[20:05] <ioria> *point
[20:05] <georges> french
[20:05] <nacc> stan_man_can: this is builtin, but just wanted to see if you can do the same
[20:05] <nacc> stan_man_can: as also in my case, until i did taht, it wasn't listed in sound (pulse)
[20:05] <LissajousPattern> ioria, sure
[20:06] <LissajousPattern> ioria, i could not get into grub for some reason
[20:06] <stan_man_can> nacc, so while my headset was in pairing mode it said Connection ON but as soon as i canceled the pairing mode on my headset (because it didn't complete on it's own) it went to Pairing OFF
[20:06] <stan_man_can> er,
[20:06] <stan_man_can> Paired: Yes
[20:06] <stan_man_can> but Connection is Off and i can't turn it on
[20:06] <ioria> LissajousPattern,   ok, boot your install and sudo nono /etc/default/grub
[20:07] <nacc> stan_man_can: right, in my case it said "connection: yes", "paired: yes", but pulse didn't show audio and i couldn't hear anything. So I turned it off and on and it worked ...
[20:07] <nacc> stan_man_can: so let's see
[20:07] <ah_> nick DrDOM_mad
[20:07] <nacc> stan_man_can: so the lack of pairing seems pretty fundamental
[20:07] <codepoetn> Hey, is it right to ask mozilla firefox related problems in here or is there separate grooups for that?
[20:07] <ioria> LissajousPattern,   *nano
[20:07] <LissajousPattern> well i got into grub but my arrow keys will not let me do anything
[20:07] <ioria> LissajousPattern,   advanced options ?
[20:07] <nacc> codepoetn: general firefox questions? probably there is a better channel, this is the ubuntu support channel
[20:08] <codepoetn> Yeah, i know this is ubuntu support channel, but firefox came preinstalled in ubuntu 16.04
[20:08] <stan_man_can> nacc, I'm thinking it's the bluetooth adapter
[20:08] <codepoetn> so i thought maybe :|
[20:08] <stan_man_can> unfortunately i don't know any other solutions
[20:08] <nacc> codepoetn: well, what's your question, we can tell you if you are ontopic
[20:09] <LissajousPattern> ioria, it must be something with the wireless keyboard
[20:09] <LissajousPattern> i can get into grub but cannot use the arrow keys once in grub
[20:09] <ioria> LissajousPattern,   i see ... boot it we edit /etc/default/grub
[20:09] <LissajousPattern> sure thing
[20:09] <nacc> stan_man_can: it might be -- does the same adapter work from other systems?
[20:09] <ioria> LissajousPattern,   not sure it solves
[20:10] <codepoetn> I'm unable to activate my camera for webcam video chat/conferencing on any of the sites while browsing through mozilla, but i find that functioning properly while on chrome browser
[20:10] <Sweepyoface> so use chrome
[20:11] <LissajousPattern> ioria, at this point i will darn near try anything. you could tell me to take the thing outside and set it ablaze and i would, at the very least consider it.
[20:11] <stan_man_can> nacc, not even sure how to test to be honest, every other device has built in bluetooth :(
[20:11] <nacc> stan_man_can: well, if this is a bluetooth adapter, you should be able to plug it into another computer (if you have one) and see if it you can use it there
[20:11] <nacc> stan_man_can: otherwise, i really don't know
[20:12] <xangua> codepoetn: define "any of the sites", does this sites rely on flash player?
[20:12] <nacc> xangua: if my tab complete is correct, they have left?
[20:12] <LissajousPattern> ioria, so what do i need to change in the config file?
[20:12] <ioria> LissajousPattern,   sudo nano /etc/default/grub   and comment the line GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 with a #  then run sudo update-grub
[20:12] <stan_man_can> nacc, but how can i make the other devices use the bluetooth adapter instead of the built in bluetooth?
[20:12] <facelessVoid> testestest
[20:12] <LissajousPattern> ok
[20:13] <nacc> stan_man_can: well, i mean in a given computer, you can disable certain hw (presumably there is akillswtich or soft switch for the mobo-integrated one), or you can do it from windows device manager, etc
[20:13] <LissajousPattern> ioria, ok so rebbot?
[20:13] <LissajousPattern> reboot
[20:13] <ioria> LissajousPattern,   yes ... but if it's a fresh install you don't have another kernel available
[20:14] <skweek> anybody know about why linux-firmware-nonfree doesn't exist in the ubuntu 16.04 xenial multiverse repo?
[20:14] <nicomachus> !info linux-firmware-nonfree xenial
[20:14] <LissajousPattern> ioria, it said i have <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:14] <nicomachus> !info linux-firmware-nonfree trusty
[20:14] <Dom___> does php7 add some different connection to mysql? compared to php5.6 which could cause my error
[20:14] <ioria> LissajousPattern,   really ? ... boot it
[20:14] <LissajousPattern> as well as <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:14] <LissajousPattern> ioria, will it boot it automatically
[20:15] <nacc> Dom___: yes, there is a different driver, iirc
[20:15] <nicomachus> skweek: good question. one sec.
[20:15] <ioria> LissajousPattern,   you have to select it
[20:15] <LissajousPattern> now that that line has been commented out
[20:15] <LissajousPattern> ioria, i cant use my keyboard in grub or i would have
[20:15] <ioria> LissajousPattern,   no, that just makes your Grun menu shows
[20:15] <Dom___> nacc: do i have to tell mysql somewhere to use php7 instead or install some php-mysql packet
[20:15] <LissajousPattern> oh
[20:15] <nicomachus> skweek: what exactly do you need from it?
[20:15] <LissajousPattern> let me try it again
[20:16] <nacc> Dom___: i don't know
[20:16] <nacc> skweek: nicomachus: "requested by ~timg-tpi; "beyond questionable" provenance and licensing; LP: #1513589"
[20:16] <skweek> specifically bluetooth ie. this post http://askubuntu.com/questions/860726/s530-bluetooth-earpiece-detected-as-keyboard
[20:16] <LissajousPattern> ioria, so how do i default to the other kernel through the config file?
[20:17] <nicomachus> skweek: there's a .deb file for it.
[20:17] <skweek> but most of my device drivers don't work on my laptop... https://www.engadget.com/2015/09/02/lenovo-miix-700/
[20:17] <LissajousPattern> i cannot do anything in grub for some reason my wireless keyboard haes me when i am in grub
[20:17] <nicomachus> nacc: be nice if they explained what was so "beyond questionable" about it.
[20:17] <ioria> LissajousPattern,   yes, you can ... but i don't remember exactly how
[20:17] <nacc> nicomachus: licensing
[20:17] <nacc> nicomachus: as said, in the comment
[20:18] <nicomachus> nacc: right. but what about the licensing.
[20:18] <nicomachus> skweek: here's a link to the deb: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/amd64/linux-firmware-nonfree/1.16
[20:18] <skweek> nico7t[m]: nacc I wouldn't mind using the .deb file for it... except for that I was hoping I could bring it up for a 1.17 v being added to the repo
[20:18] <nicomachus> skweek: keep in mind, you are ON YOUR OWN installing that deb.
[20:18] <nacc> nicomachus: probably that it's not clear where the firmware files came from and what the original licenses actually are...
[20:19] <stan_man_can> nacc, tried another bluetooth dongle and no dice
[20:19] <skweek> there are concerns about using it, i've read some bug reports about using it... nicomachus nacc
[20:19] <nicomachus> nacc: guess so.
[20:19] <stan_man_can> trying to find if any  have exceptional linux support but hard to find anything
[20:19] <nicomachus> skweek: yea, it may be worth finding those drivers somewhere else instead of bundled into the firmware-nonfree package.
[20:20] <skweek> I appreciate your input guys
[20:20] <stan_man_can> nacc, maybe i'll upgrade to 16.10
[20:20] <ioria> LissajousPattern,   can you paste ls /boot ?
[20:20] <nacc> stan_man_can: you could try from a live usb
[20:20] <nicomachus> !info linux-firmware-nonfree yakkety
[20:23] <LissajousPattern> ioria, honestly i just wanna paste my face to the wall right now i have about had it with this issue
[20:24] <LissajousPattern> can i just delete the kernel that i think is being the trouble?
[20:24] <LissajousPattern> at that point would it just default boot to the old one?
[20:24] <ioria> LissajousPattern,   sure, we can try   .. but about the keyboard issue, try to set in BIOS  usb legacy option to yes
[20:25] <LissajousPattern> it is i think but i will check just for grins
[20:26] <ioria> LissajousPattern,   if you paste ls /boot we can see what options you have
[20:27] <LissajousPattern> yeah i think this thing is by default legacy
[20:28] <ioria> LissajousPattern,   what kernels do you see in /boot folder ?
[20:29] <LissajousPattern> abi-<IP_ADDRESS>-generic and abi-<IP_ADDRESS>-generic
[20:30] <LissajousPattern> -21 -57 my bad
[20:31] <LissajousPattern> not decimal
[20:31] <LissajousPattern> geez my brain is melting
[20:31] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  dpkg -l linux-image-4.4.0-21-generic
[20:31] <nicomachus> get some coffee
[20:31]  * genii gets some coffee
[20:32] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  we need to be sure is installed , if we want to remove  57
[20:33] <LissajousPattern> Reinst-required
[20:33] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  you can paste the output ?
[20:33] <LissajousPattern> no
[20:34] <nicomachus> why not?
[20:34] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  are you chatting from anothe pc ?
[20:34] <LissajousPattern> yes
[20:34] <nicomachus> use pastebinit and then just type the link here
[20:34] <LissajousPattern> broser does not work
[20:35] <LissajousPattern> browser
[20:35] <nicomachus> browser or internet connection?
[20:35] <LissajousPattern> browser
[20:35] <nicomachus> !pastebinit | use this
[20:36] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  you don't need a browser to paste
[20:36] <LissajousPattern> oh
[20:36] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  dpkg -l linux-image-4.4.0-21-generic | |nc termbin.com 9999
[20:36] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  dpkg -l linux-image-4.4.0-21-generic | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:36] <nicomachus> yea termbin will work.
[20:37] <Antares_> https://vk.com/skylitedc
[20:37] <nicomachus> !ot > Antares_
[20:37] <nicomachus> !guidelines > Antares_
[20:37] <Antares_> я русский
[20:38] <Antares_> удеръстенд
[20:38] <LissajousPattern> http://termbin.com/ge97
[20:38] <nicomachus> !ru | Antares_
[20:38] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  ok, is installed   ... so we remove 57 and see what happens ?
[20:38] <LissajousPattern> ok
[20:39] <LissajousPattern> idk how.
[20:39] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  sudo apt-get purge  linux-image-4.4.0-57-generic
[20:40] <LissajousPattern> and then reboot?
[20:40] <amirhossein> hi
[20:40] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  hopefully
[20:40] <LissajousPattern> yes hopefully
[20:40] <LissajousPattern> ioria, thanks again
[20:41] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  np ... do you remember whick kernel are you running when ff issue happened ?
[20:41] <LissajousPattern> i almost got banned earlier for not knowing how to pastebin earlier
[20:42] <nicomachus> ha, I doubt anyone would have banned you for that.
[20:42] <ioria> :þ
[20:42] <nicomachus> ioria could reverse it anyway
[20:42] <LissajousPattern> ioria, no i forget but it was the default that was on the live usb
[20:42] <glitchd> ok im a little confused over here...im trying to set a background image for grub. i have the picture in the /boot/grub folder. i have tried jpg,png,tga formats. all scaled to 1024x1280 as per the instruction from the ubuntu forums post i read. and nothing seems to work with getting the image to show in grub. any help would be appreciated.
[20:42] <LissajousPattern> the live lubuntu 16.10
[20:42] <ioria> nicomachus, meaning ?
[20:42] <LissajousPattern> so it booted
[20:42] <nicomachus> aren't you op?
[20:43] <LissajousPattern> do i need to reinstall firefox or should i try as is?
[20:43] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  let's try
[20:43] <LissajousPattern> sure
[20:43] <ioria> nicomachus, me ? nope
[20:43] <LissajousPattern> no go
[20:43] <nicomachus> oh.
[20:43] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  oh my
[20:43] <joci> glitchd: which OS0 you have ?
[20:44] <joci> *OS
[20:44] <LissajousPattern> should i try to delete the firefox files in home again and purge?
[20:44] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  uname -r
[20:44] <LissajousPattern> i am on -21
[20:44] <glitchd> joci, ubuntu 16.04 x64 xubuntu-desktop
[20:44] <LissajousPattern> so that worked
[20:44] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  sudo apt-get purge firefox && sudo apt-get install firefox
[20:45] <LissajousPattern> yeah i am as well as deleting the folders from home
[20:45] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  ok
[20:45] <nicomachus> if you use apt purge --remove firefox it should remove those folders from home
[20:46] <nicomachus> i think.
[20:46] <joci> glitchd: if i understood ur question right then ur issue might be that you are useing space in teh path
[20:46] <ioria> nicomachus,  not sure that in .config tho
[20:46] <LissajousPattern> a little redundancy does not hurt i guess
[20:47] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  after that we try midori :þ
[20:47] <LissajousPattern> or arch
[20:47] <glitchd> joci, space in path? there is no space in the name of the file im talking about..?
[20:47] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  midori is a bowser
[20:47] <LissajousPattern> oh
[20:47] <LissajousPattern> yeah thats right duh
[20:47] <tomreyn> Dom___: were you able to sort it out then?
[20:47] <LissajousPattern> still crashed
[20:47] <joci> glitchd: srry forgot this
[20:48] <LissajousPattern> i will install midori
[20:48] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  i don't get it
[20:48] <xangua> I think Midori was based on Mozilla once
[20:48] <LissajousPattern> i dont either
[20:48] <glitchd> joci, umm..ok? lol thx anyways
[20:48] <xangua> Was it?
[20:48] <LissajousPattern> ioria, i have tried almost everything
[20:48] <joci> glitchd:what is the real issu?
[20:48] <ioria> LissajousPattern,  i see time for a bug report
[20:48] <LissajousPattern> and like i said it was working just a week or so ago
[20:48] <glitchd> joci, exactly what i said it was.
[20:49] <LissajousPattern> i have never filed a bug report
[20:49] <Dom___> tomreyn: mh kinda ... i figured that the connection between mysql and php was somehow missing
[20:49] <ioria> LissajousPattern, on what exactly ?
[20:49] <glitchd> joci, background image not showing in grub menu
[20:49] <ioria> LissajousPattern, and i'd try it from livecd
[20:49] <Dom___> and that i might have installed mariadb .... which kicked off mysql ... so not sure what the problem was maybe even last
[20:49] <LissajousPattern> midori crashed as well
[20:49] <tomreyn> Dom___: okay, good. is this a production service you run there, or just a test environment?
[20:49] <joci> glitchd: one sec
[20:49] <ioria> LissajousPattern, video card ?
[20:50] <Dom___> productive ...
[20:50] <glitchd> joci, no worries
[20:50] <LissajousPattern> its an old nvidia card
[20:50] <LissajousPattern> really old idk which one
[20:50] <Dom___> but i think i will have to get a virtual mashine with a doublicate system
[20:50] <tomreyn> Dom___: oh then please do yourself and the internet as a whole a favor and train your system administration skills more.
[20:50] <tomreyn> that's not to insult you, hope it doesn't come over as this.
[20:51] <ioria> LissajousPattern, lspci | grep VGA
[20:51] <Dom___> well a private "running system" so nothing critical on it ;)
[20:51] <tomreyn> oh ok
[20:51] <Dom___> the only one suffering from my mistakes is myself ... ;)
[20:51] <LissajousPattern> NV34 geforce FX 5200
[20:52] <LissajousPattern> rev a1
[20:52] <tomreyn> there are just too many badly maintained internet servers out there which put the entire hting at risk.
[20:52] <Dom___> can i dubicate a raspi on a oracle-VM programm?
[20:52] <ioria> LissajousPattern, can you boot the livecd ?
[20:52] <LissajousPattern> midori crashed with SIGILL in call_init()
[20:52] <LissajousPattern> ioria, yeah
[20:52] <LissajousPattern> no problem
[20:52] <ioria> LissajousPattern  do it for us, please
[20:53] <LissajousPattern> sure
[20:53] <tomreyn> Dom___: most likely, but it's not trivial
[20:53] <LissajousPattern> i have xubuntu 16.04 ready to go
[20:53] <ioria> LissajousPattern  try xubuntu and fire firefox
[20:53] <LissajousPattern> sure
[20:53] <joci> glitchd: i dont know :/
[20:54] <glitchd> joci, well thanks anyways=)
[20:55] <LissajousPattern> i feel like a beta tester
[20:55] <Dolmen0> why?
[20:56] <ioria> LissajousPattern  2800amd and 1.5 g should be fine
[20:56] <LissajousPattern> it was before
[20:56] <LissajousPattern> like i said i used lubuntu on this thing for a while
[20:57] <ioria> LissajousPattern  and ? same isssue ?
[20:57] <LissajousPattern> then i went to upgrade by doing a fresh install and bam
[20:57] <blackflow> LissajousPattern: the feeling should be rewarding, you're contributing to open source :)
[20:57] <Dom___> tomreyn: thanks for your help also
[20:57] <LissajousPattern> blackflow, funny you say that
[20:58] <blackflow> lol, why funny?
[20:58] <LissajousPattern> ioria, so firefox works off the live usb
[20:58] <LissajousPattern> blackflow, because weren't you one of the ones who thought i was trolling earlier
[20:58] <LissajousPattern> or was it ben
[20:59] <ioria> LissajousPattern  lspci -k | grep VGA -A 3 | grep driver
[20:59] <LissajousPattern> anyway i did not get how to pastebin without a browser sue me
[20:59] <LissajousPattern> ioria, ok
[20:59] <blackflow> LissajousPattern: no, I said it looked like, since you refused to pastebin the output with a simple command I gave you, taht didn't require a browser
[20:59] <blackflow> LissajousPattern: I gave you the actual command :)  "firefox 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999"
[20:59] <LissajousPattern> i didn't understand
[20:59] <LissajousPattern> sorry
[21:00] <ioria> LissajousPattern  lspci -k | grep VGA -A 3 | grep driver
[21:00] <LissajousPattern> ioria, driver is nouveau as to be expected
[21:01] <ioria> LissajousPattern  so it's working ?
[21:01] <LissajousPattern> which is what it was with the normal install i believe
[21:01] <LissajousPattern> yeah
[21:01] <LissajousPattern> firefox works from live usb
[21:01] <ioria> LissajousPattern  uname -r ?
[21:01] <Dom___> tomreyn: how can i see the /var/run path of my php version?
[21:01] <LissajousPattern> 4.4.0-21-generic
[21:01] <ikonia> Dom___: in the php config
[21:02] <ioria> LissajousPattern i can only suggest 'Erase Disk and reinstall Xubuntu'
[21:02] <ioria> LissajousPattern  without 'updates selected'
[21:02] <LissajousPattern> ioria, thats fine and it will probably work up until the point of apt update/upgrade/dist-upgrade
[21:03] <LissajousPattern> i dont know which updates to omit?
[21:03] <LissajousPattern> or even how to
[21:03] <ioria> LissajousPattern  maybe the bug will be fixed (if really a bug)
[21:03] <LissajousPattern> i have no idea
[21:04] <LissajousPattern> i have already been through three installs
[21:04] <ioria> LissajousPattern  i suggest also an iso check
[21:04] <ioria> LissajousPattern  how did you do the stick ?
[21:04] <LissajousPattern> i checked sha1
[21:04] <LissajousPattern> dd
[21:04] <ioria> oh... all good then
[21:04] <LissajousPattern> yeah
[21:04] <LissajousPattern> i would think
[21:05] <LissajousPattern> like i said it is after i do update/upgrade
[21:05] <LissajousPattern> after that broken
[21:05] <LissajousPattern> before that firefox works just like off of the USB
[21:05] <ioria> LissajousPattern  what ff run on livecd ?
[21:05] <ioria> *s
[21:06] <ioria> LissajousPattern  49 ?
[21:06] <LissajousPattern> idk
[21:06] <ioria> LissajousPattern  Help -> About FF
[21:06] <Guest37086> didnt knew that :p
[21:07] <LissajousPattern> ioria, what?
[21:07] <LissajousPattern> where is that?
[21:07] <ioria> LissajousPattern  to check ff ver ... go ( in ff menu) Help -> About FF
[21:08] <LissajousPattern> what menu?
[21:08] <ioria> LissajousPattern   the firefox menu bar
[21:08] <LissajousPattern> it does not have it
[21:08] <LissajousPattern> just the little arrow in the top left
[21:10] <ioria> LissajousPattern   apt-cache policy firefox| grep Installed| awk '{print $2}'
[21:10] <Guest37086> any advice to some good channel names??
[21:11] <nicomachus> !alis | Guest37086
[21:11] <LissajousPattern> yeah its 45.0.2+build1-0ubuntu1
[21:12] <ioria> LissajousPattern   45 ?
[21:12] <LissajousPattern> yes
[21:12] <LissajousPattern> off of the live usb
[21:12] <LissajousPattern> and installed it jumps to 50
[21:12] <ioria> LissajousPattern   when did you download the iso ?
[21:12] <LissajousPattern> well after updating
[21:12] <LissajousPattern> today
[21:13] <LissajousPattern> literally this morning
[21:14] <ioria> LissajousPattern   ok, no other ideas then ... try a new 'fresh' install
[21:14] <prtg02> hi all :)
[21:14] <LissajousPattern> from here http://mirror.us.leaseweb.net/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu/releases/16.04/release/
[21:14] <Guest37086> hey
[21:15] <LissajousPattern> ioria, well thanks for your time
[21:15] <ioria> LissajousPattern   try the official repo
[21:15] <LissajousPattern> this has been one big hassle to say the least
[21:15] <ioria> LissajousPattern   you're welcome
[21:15] <prtg02> yesterday I updated my ubuntu install, after the install was complete I let it sit for some time. after 30 minutes there was a power loss
[21:15] <LissajousPattern> ioria, where is that
[21:16] <prtg02> today I started it again and it was all a little fucked up
[21:16] <nicomachus> !language | prtg02
[21:16] <ioria> LissajousPattern   http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/16.04/release/
[21:17] <LissajousPattern> cool thanks again
[21:17] <ioria> LissajousPattern   let us know, please
[21:17] <ioria> LissajousPattern   np
[21:17] <prtg02> during the startup I got in a little weird login screen and after I typed my password I got sended back to the login screen again
[21:17] <LissajousPattern> yeah i will be back after i do an install from one of the ones from the official repo
[21:18] <prtg02> restarted in recovery did "autoremove" with apt and got the error log of the login: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23674986/
[21:18] <LissajousPattern> it may be a little while i am going to take a break for a minute but it should be within the hour or so
[21:18] <prtg02> I looked at the "dbus" trying restarting and stuff but did not work, any idea how to solve it?
[21:20] <Dom___> pid = /run/php/php7.0-fpm.pid
[21:20] <Dom___> is written in the config but there is nothing in this folder ?!
[21:20] <OerHeks> Dom___, still fighting that PPA?
[21:20] <Dom___> OerHeks: yes :( :D
[21:21] <OerHeks> go with 16.04/native php7 , but you will need to learn systemd stuff too.
[21:22] <vfw> awe... systemd is easy
[21:22] <nicomachus> says you..
[21:22] <Dom___>  connect() to unix:/var/run/php/php7.0-fpm.sock failed (  this is the error log from nginx
[21:23] <vfw> nicomachus: No, really, systemctl enable, disable, start stop
[21:24] <vfw> and status
[21:26] <Dom___> but this file does not exist
[21:26] <bekks> Dom___: Is php listed inn your process list?
[21:26] <OerHeks> units and firewall setup commands https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/systemd-essentials-working-with-services-units-and-the-journal and https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-systemctl-to-manage-systemd-services-and-units
[21:27] <blackflow> Dom___: your nginx config should list the path to socket file as defined by the fpm pool it belongs to
[21:27] <blackflow> Dom___: in other words, check the /etc/php7/fpm/php-fpm.conf   (I believe the path is)  file for defaults, or wherever your defined the pool
[21:29] <Dom___> yes but in the given folder (/var/run/php/ there is nothin in this folder)
[21:29] <blackflow> Dom___: so what is the path of the socket, defined by fpm?
[21:30] <Dom___> /run/php/php7.0-fpm.pid
[21:30] <blackflow> Dom___: that's the pidfile, not socket
[21:31] <blackflow> Dom___: something like "listen = /var/run/wherever.sock"
[21:31] <blackflow> Dom___: in the pool config file
[21:32] <Dom___> listen = /run/php/php7.0-fpm.sock
[21:32] <Dom___> listen = <IP_ADDRESS>:9000
[21:32] <blackflow> Dom___: there you go, that first one should be listed in nginx for fastcgi_pass
[21:32] <blackflow> (technically both would work, but unix sockets are a bit faster)
[21:33] <blackflow> Dom___: so,  "fastcgi_pass unix:/run/php/php7.0-fpm.sock"
[21:33] <xxxx> hi: since using dual monitors on lubuntu with ARandR, i'm having the problem of no display ay
[21:34] <blackflow> Dom___: however, the socket file must be readable to the nginx user
[21:34] <xxxx> at all on the laptop, just the hdmi
[21:34] <blackflow> Dom___: so if you don't want to hassle with permissions, use the tcp socket for fastcgi_pass
[21:35] <Dom___> blackflow: what do you mean by use the tcp socket?
[21:35] <wuf1234> Hi, could someone here possibly help me with a strange issue?
[21:35] <bekks> wuf1234: Depends on the issue.
[21:36] <glitchd> wuf1234, indeed..
[21:36] <Dom___> blackflow: and one is called .pid and you're talking about .sock?
[21:36] <wuf1234> my tty was a blank screen, i sorta fixed that by just purging nvidia drivers and setting nomodeset and then reinstalling kernel, but now if I switch to tty it is full of symbols everywhere
[21:36] <wuf1234> like, there are no blank spaces, just copyright symbols (c in circle)
[21:36] <wuf1234> it works, but is... hard to read
[21:37] <Dom___> the nginx error still tells me the file does not exist ... and if i check there online is a file ....pid (no sock)
[21:38] <wuf1234> glitchd bekks, any advice or ideas?
[21:39] <blackflow> Dom___: the <IP_ADDRESS>:9000 is the tcp socket, the /run/php/php7.0-fpm.sock  is the unix socket. either work, but for unix socket you need to set up permissions.
[21:39] <blackflow> Dom___: the pidfile is irrelevant, has nothing to do with connecting nginx to fpm
[21:39] <glitchd> wuf1234, no idea how you did that..or how to fix it
[21:39] <glitchd> wuf1234, sry
[21:40] <Dom___> ok because in the config file of fpm as well as the nginx fastcgi it always is the .sock file/(path)
[21:40] <wuf1234> That's fine. I'll figure something out
[21:40] <ohemdevin> Hello. I don't know if this question is on-topic, but is it generally unadvised to run a pre-release version of Ubuntu to get the latest packages?
[21:40] <wuf1234> Thank you, have a nice day everyone
[21:40] <Dom___> but in the folder there only is a .pid file existing nothing else ... why is that?
[21:40] <blackflow> Dom___: yes, but you need to set up permissions for it. your nginx user has to be able to read the fpm socket file.
[21:40] <blackflow> Dom___: is the fpm pool running?
[21:41] <Dom___> so i change fastcgi_pass unix:/var/run/php/php7.0-fpm.sock;  --> fastcgi_pass <IP_ADDRESS>:9000 ?
[21:41] <blackflow> Dom___: yes if you don't want the permissions hassle
[21:41] <Dom___> php7.0-fpm start/running, process 3101
[21:42] <LissajousPattern> well here goes yet another fresh install for those who may be following along
[21:42] <blackflow> Dom___: good so if the pool is running, and you changed fastcgi_pass to the tcp socket, restart nginx and it should work, given all else is correct.
[21:42] <LissajousPattern> firefox worked as expected from the USB
[21:42] <xangua> LissajousPattern: how is fresh install?
[21:43] <LissajousPattern> its installing
[21:44] <xangua> OK
[21:44] <LissajousPattern> i will test firefox before i apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade as well as after
[21:44] <LissajousPattern> just to make sure it works before hand yet again
[21:44] <LissajousPattern> this iso was downloaded from the official repo and sha1 checked out fine
[21:45] <LissajousPattern> xubuntu 16.04.1
[21:45] <LissajousPattern> bbiab
[21:45] <Dom___> blackflow: nope still looking for this but not sure if i did it the correct way
[21:47] <blackflow> Dom___: what's the nginx error log saying?
[21:47] <Dom___> blackflow:  invalid number of arguments in "fastcgi_pass" directive
[21:47] <blackflow> Dom___: did you put   ;   at the end of that line you posted above?
[21:48] <blackflow> Dom___:     fastcgi_pass <IP_ADDRESS>:9000;
[21:48] <Dom___> blackflow: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23675101/
[21:48] <Dom___> ajh ^^ yes
[21:48] <Dom___> well no i didn't ... stupid ^^
[21:49] <Dom___> working ... great ... awesome thanks a lot blackflow
[21:49] <blackflow> Dom___: you're welcome.
[21:54] <Dom___> blackflow: you saved my day/holidays ... i've been struggling with that for so long now and you might know how much this bothers you not beeing able to fix it
[22:01] <kraut> hoi
[22:02] <kraut> i'm on ubuntu 16.04, why can't i upgrade with do-release-upgrade -d?
[22:02] <blackflow> Dom___: yea, I know the feeling :)
[22:03] <Bashing-om> kraut: The next inline is 16.10 .. and it is not in (d)evelopment . What is your end goal ?
[22:03] <kraut> Bashing-om, upgrading to 16.10
[22:03] <Dom___> have a nice holiday to everyone
[22:03] <Dom___> bye
[22:04] <kraut> Bashing-om, i found something, that i need to wait for 16.04.01?
[22:04] <kraut> i don't understand, why
[22:04] <nacc> kraut: did you read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes
[22:04] <kraut> does that describe a safe upgrade-path, or what are such releases for?
[22:04] <blackflow> kraut: which version do you want to upgrade to?
[22:04] <nacc> kraut: do-release-upgrade -d won't ignore an lts setting in the conf file, afaik
[22:05] <Bashing-om> kraut: have you set to upgrade to "any" ' grep Prompt= /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades ' ?
[22:05] <kraut> nacc, not yet, thanks
[22:05] <xxxx> please... i have display troubles (just hdmi monitor works)
[22:05] <xxxx> after installing ARandR (xrandr for lubuntu)
[22:05] <kraut> Bashing-om, LTS
[22:06] <Bashing-om> kraut: :) see: ' cat etc/update-manager/release-upgrades ' . If needed then we continue .
[22:06] <kraut> Bashing-om, ok, that's the problem
[22:06] <kraut> thanks
[22:07] <Bashing-om> kraut: :) .. make sure 16,04 is fully updated, and no proprietary drivers are in use .
[22:08] <kraut> i did
[22:08] <kraut> that's checked
[22:08] <kraut> i was just wondering, where the "LTS" switch is
[22:09] <kraut> yeah, upgrading
[22:13] <Krio> Evening
[22:14] <Krio> Anyone here able to help? Im fresh to ubuntu entirely, and getting by well enough so far. Everything seems to work but my sd card slot. I get an error. http://paste.ubuntu.com/23675194/
[22:18] <Bashing-om> kraut: Try ' sudo apt install exfat-utils exfat-fuse ' so the system recognizes the new file system .
[22:19] <Bashing-om> Krio: ^^ sorry kraut niis hilight .
[22:22] <Krio> Bashing-om: Awesome :) Appreciate it. All is working now.
[22:23] <Bashing-om> Krio: :) .. nothing new under the sun . Many been there before you .
[22:27] <anonymous_anthra> hey hey all
[22:29] <xperfecttr> melaba
[22:30] <Ducky^> hey all, I'm trying to use the cups web interface through links2 but when I select "Administration" it just prints out html
[22:30] <Ducky^> I know it can work because I've done it this way before
[22:30] <Ducky^> is there a package I need to install?
[22:37] <Kiteb> Hello, what's the easy way to install Mate on Ubuntu 16.04 ? I checked the ubuntu-mate website, and saw only "Upgrade to MATE Desktop 1.14.x" so I was not sure if that's the right way to install it.
[22:40] <bekks> Kiteb: sudo apt install mate-desktop
[22:40] <Kiteb> bekks: great! thanks
[22:41] <xangua> Kiteb: there's also Ubuntu mate
[22:41] <michael_> hello
[22:41] <bekks> xangua: Which is Ubuntu with mate-desktop installed :)
[22:42] <Kiteb> xangua: I have Ubuntu already installed, too lazy to do a re-install.
[22:43] <LissajousPattern> well firefox immediately crashed right after the install
[22:43] <xangua> LissajousPattern: weird
[22:43] <LissajousPattern> indeed
[22:44] <LissajousPattern> F-ing frustrating is more like it this is the fifth install i have been through
[22:44] <LissajousPattern> oh well back to the drawing board i guess
[22:45] <nacc> LissajousPattern: do you have a the crash signature (or message)?
[22:57] <LissajousPattern> no i dont know how to retrieve it
[22:59] <nacc> LissajousPattern: i mean if you run firefox from the terminal, it should say where it crashed if it does
[22:59] <nacc> LissajousPattern: or `dmesg` might say if it was killed
[22:59] <LissajousPattern> well i posted that earlier
[23:00] <nacc> LissajousPattern: I would have to go back through the scroll log, sorry
[23:00] <LissajousPattern> its coo
[23:00] <LissajousPattern> lcool
[23:02] <LissajousPattern> what do i dmsg?
[23:05] <wafflejock> LissajousPattern, dmesg will just output system errors you can run it before you try to launch firefox, can also launch firefox from the console and after it crashes see if there is any error output where you launched it from or run dmesg again and see if anything that looks related shows up near the end
[23:10] <Sweepyoface> How do you guys suppose I would go about monitoring the uptime of a certain command?
[23:10] <Sweepyoface> eg. <do something> | uptime --name server
[23:10] <Sweepyoface> then uptime --name server would return the time
[23:11] <Sweepyoface> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[23:11] <Seveas> commands don't have an uptime...
[23:11] <Seveas> what do you actually want to monitor?
[23:11] <Sweepyoface> like, a script
[23:11] <Sweepyoface> it's a server
[23:12] <Sweepyoface> oh that was supposed to be a shrug
[23:12] <Seveas> what do you want to monitor about that script?
[23:13] <Sweepyoface> how long it
[23:13] <Sweepyoface> 's been running
[23:13] <Sweepyoface> you know how tmux can show the time in a pane?
[23:13] <Sweepyoface> something like that to monitor how long something's been going would be nice
[23:13] <Seveas> so, wallclocktime since it started. Check /prod/[pid of script]/stat
[23:14] <Sweepyoface> thanks
[23:15] <Seveas> see 'man proc' for all the gory details
[23:18] <frank__> t
[23:24] <medaz_23421> Hi how i type with deffrent color on terminal ?
[23:25] <medaz_23421> or wihle editing a txt using nano ?
[23:26] <Seveas> medaz_23421: you can set a default color in the settings of your terminal emulator
[23:26] <medaz_23421> no i don't mean that
[23:26] <LissajousPattern> yeah dmesg is not showing anything about firefox
[23:26] <medaz_23421> i mean like Microsoft windows , i wanna type hello in green and world in red for example
[23:27] <medaz_23421> i wanna do the seem in terminal , i'm using nano for editing txt
[23:27] <medaz_23421> so i wanna write notes
[23:27] <Seveas> medaz_23421: well, that's not possible.
[23:28] <medaz_23421> that's why i need some words colored
[23:28] <Seveas> you'll need to use something like libreoffice for that.
[23:29] <medaz_23421> well i heard from a man that nothing is impossible , impossible itself said "i'm possible "
[23:29] <medaz_23421> or in fact , that could be a good sign for a tool that could do that
[23:29] <medaz_23421> but why when you do man for some tool , you find some words colored ??
[23:32] <medaz_23421> i assume that i have to google it , bye guys :)
[23:32] <shorty_06> You want a tool to write notes with colours?
[23:33] <shorty_06> Hold on, I've used one before, let me find the name
[23:33] <medaz_23421> ok than you
[23:33] <medaz_23421> *thank you
[23:35] <shorty_06> Hmm. looks like this program can't do colours but it can do bold / underline / italic if that's alright
[23:35] <shorty_06> I use it for making notes when I need clear headings
[23:35] <nacc> nano can do colorizing as syntax highlighting
[23:35] <nacc> but it feels like a real abuse of a terminal editor to put colors in it :/
[23:36] <nacc> why not just use structured formatting if needed? i honestly don't understand what colors get you given the context ('hello' and 'world' in two different colors is an insufficient use case to me)
[23:36] <nacc> or use one of the many note-taking tools
[23:39] <Sabiot> hi there
[23:39] <shorty_06> medaz_23421: I'm going afk now but if you're interested the program I was on about is called zim, it's described as a "desktop wiki" but that basically just means it's a collection of notes that you can link between if you want
[23:39] <shorty_06> I'm not on ubuntu atm so I don't know if it's in the repositories, there's a ppa for it though if it's not
[23:39] <Sabiot> i need a lil help... i am currently in a picle. one USB KEY a live copy of 16.10 and no way installing it to get an active boot.
[23:40] <nacc> shorty_06: zim is in the repos, yes
[23:40] <shorty_06> nacc: Alright, that makes it easier then
[23:40] <dumle29> Hey there I'm in the middle of setting up a server for a LAN, running ubuntu server 16.10. I was wondering if it'd be possible to set it up so that, if a specially named USB dongle was inserted, it would mount it to a folder (I know how to do this) and copy over a file named networkconfig, and then use that for it's ip configuration.
[23:40] <Sabiot> is there any way i can copy the contents of the USB to a HDD
[23:40] <medaz_23421> ok then i just use apt-get install zim
[23:40] <dumle29> I want to set it up this way, as I'd prefer to have the server entirely headless even when I move it to the event where it is needed
[23:41] <shorty_06> medaz_23421: So long as you remember so sudo yes :)
[23:41] <medaz_23421> yes :)
[23:41] <shorty_06> medaz_23421: And you should start using apt instead of apt-get
[23:41] <medaz_23421> thank you , i always use nano for editing text , it's easy for me :)
[23:41] <shorty_06> Pretty much the same thing but has a nice progress bar and is better in some other ways I can't remember
[23:42] <medaz_23421> so sudo apt install zim
[23:42] <BlizzLeon> Hi there, I'm on 16.10 on a Motion Computing J3500 Tablet and I am trying to get the hardware buttons to work. xinput list shows this: http://pastebin.com/siSE7KjN
[23:43] <shorty_06> medaz_23421: You got it :D
[23:43] <medaz_23421> thankx :)
[23:43] <shorty_06> medaz_23421: It's not terminal based btw, forgot to mention that
[23:43] <shorty_06> medaz_23421: Were you looking for something terminal based specifically?
[23:44] <medaz_23421> because you know i'm writing notes a lot , and notebook not that much helpfull so i'm using laptop for that
[23:44] <medaz_23421> ok thankx anyway for help :)
[23:44] <shorty_06> No problem :)
[23:45] <medaz_23421> i think i'm gonna stick with nano i'm cormftable with it
[23:45] <medaz_23421> :)
[23:45] <shorty_06> Alright, fair enough
[23:45] <Amm0n> medaz_23421, do you know cherrytree?
[23:46] <shorty_06> If you ever want colours and stuff you should probably just use libreoffice
[23:46] <medaz_23421> Amm0n what that ??
[23:46] <shorty_06> That's what I use for taking lecture notes
[23:46] <shorty_06> Being able to create tables and insert diagrams makes it better than using a terminal imo
[23:46] <Amm0n> medaz_23421, it's an Outliner i use for taking notes^
[23:46] <medaz_23421> i love typing in terminal , i have a feeling for that , so it's hard to quite
[23:47] <medaz_23421> Amm0n is it a terminal based ??
[23:47] <Amm0n> medaz_23421, no
[23:47] <medaz_23421> Oh ok :)
[23:48] <medaz_23421> my current system is Kali linux 2.0
[23:48] <nectar> Hey. Im getting an error ("System program problem detected") every time i logg into ubuntu after a restart. What can I do?
[23:49] <Amm0n> medaz_23421, for terminal there is task (taskwarrior)
[23:50] <smk447> nectar dont restart .. :)
[23:50] <nacc> medaz_23421: so you came to an ubuntu support channel to ask for help on an unsupported OS...
[23:50] <nacc> !kali | medaz_23421
[23:50] <medaz_23421> It's ok they are the seem
[23:51] <nacc> they are not the same and kali is not supported here.
[23:51] <medaz_23421> they both pretty the seem commands
[23:51] <nacc> medaz_23421: please respect the rules of the channel
[23:51] <smk447> nectar ...sorry i'm in a good mood todat
[23:51] <medaz_23421> Ok sorry no heart feeling , i'm only for information here
[23:51] <nectar> smk447: thats ok :) not sure where to look for details on the error
[23:53] <smk447> nectar try read this.. http://askubuntu.com/questions/133385/getting-system-program-problem-detected-pops-up-regularly-after-upgrade/369297
[23:54] <medaz_23421> nacc it's not a big deal here :) so please don't make it bigger
[23:54] <medaz_23421> anyway thankx guys for help :)
[23:55] <medaz_23421> Amm0n  i will try that one taskwarrior
[23:55] <nectar> smk447: *nectar reboots*
[23:57] <nectar> smk447:it feckin worked! thanks m8.
[23:58] <nectar> has ubuntu always owned freenode?
[23:58] <smk447> nectar no problem
[23:59] <nectar> *goes to watch netflix* :) :)
[23:59] <nacc> nectar: ubuntu does not own freenode
[23:59] <nectar> i get "freenode (ubuntu servers" in hexchat. (anyway..)


[00:22] <marco_polo> recording some video, out here
[02:26] <johndoe124> \quit
[02:54] <jennie> Hello
[02:58] <jennie> hi
[03:49] <malev> hi
[05:07] <jmarsden> This is #ubuntu-classroom.  There is no class now.  For support for Ubuntu, /join #ubuntu and ask there.
[06:18] <kekehuoshan> I missed the last session, is there any place hold a record?
[06:19] <kekehuoshan> #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[06:46] <jmarsden> kekehuoshan: Yes, try typing /topic I think the place where logs are kept is listed there.
[06:48] <jmarsden> kekehuoshan: well, maybe not.  Here is an URL: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[07:04] <kekehuoshan> jmarsden: Thank you, I got the byobu session log here:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekKarmic/Byobu
[07:05] <jmarsden> kekehuoshan: You're welcome, glad you found what you needed.  The irclogs.ubuntu.com location is more generic, if you know the date/time you can find all logged ubuntu-related channels that way.
[07:15] <kekehuoshan> jmarsden: irclogs.ubuntu.com has nice format :)
[07:16] <jmarsden> Yes, the coloring by nick is nice.
[13:53] <Beefcakes> Hi I have 9.10 installed in my laptop... I just restarted the system after adding a file in /etc/conf/rules.d .. now it doesn't boot. It just loads the 9.10 logo, then the Ubuntu loading screen then just an empty blank screen with the loading mouse cursor which is movable..


[00:52] <bluesabre> back again
[00:52] <knome> :)
[01:01] <micahg> bluesabre: breeze recommends orion-gtk-theme
[01:01] <micahg> but kubuntu packageset shouldn't be grabbing in that scenario
[01:08] <bluesabre> breeze recommends orion-gtk-theme?  that seems odd
[01:10] <micahg> added in vivid by riddell
[01:11] <bluesabre> feels like a typo... its listed in debian breeze as well, but the package does not exist in debian
[01:11] <bluesabre> or maybe not
[01:12] <bluesabre> maybe he chose it because it happens to be a white theme?
[01:12] <micahg> idk
[01:13] <bluesabre> alrighty
[01:14] <micahg> but, I"ll see about getting the script fixed
[01:14] <bluesabre> thanks
[01:15] <bluesabre> if you want to upload it, I can give you a tarball of the package ready to upload
[01:16] <micahg> I could do that
[01:19] <bluesabre> https://copy.com/qkWTWvcHRC09gMSQ
[01:20] <bluesabre> since its a multi-source package
[01:44] <knome> off to bed, see you tomorrow
[01:48] <bluesabre> have a good night knome
[04:24] <micahg> bluesabre: is shimmer-themes not stored in a VCS?
[04:29] <micahg> bluesabre: I also realized, I'll need a signed sha1 sum file for the tarball you gave me to confirm authenticity
[06:23] <Jake2234> hi everyone
[06:33] <astraljava> Hello!
[06:34] <astraljava> Oh, gone already. =/
[07:34] <knome> good morning astraljava
[09:59] <bluesabre> micahg: the themes are all individually on https://github.com/shimmerproject
[10:03] <bluesabre> dc8ad71119b2d5849bc670ac7fc2c10562c81e2e  shimmer-themes_2.0.0.orig-albatross.tar.gz
[10:03] <bluesabre> a0f31c8276c29f7325c0dbe371fdc69407c503d4  shimmer-themes_2.0.0.orig-bluebird.tar.gz
[10:03] <bluesabre> a01e6d35a7148fcc89191f1e8cbce256d194b8ad  shimmer-themes_2.0.0.orig-greybird.tar.gz
[10:03] <bluesabre> 4c6202ffac02c2319193eb60d99f863f9cba424e  shimmer-themes_2.0.0.orig-numix.tar.gz
[10:03] <bluesabre> ef900a5a8e6ceddae89b979dcc86db7de610f937  shimmer-themes_2.0.0.orig-orion.tar.gz
[10:03] <bluesabre> ab3311a31e796117f6c4ab8176ac1382aef100f3  shimmer-themes_2.0.0.orig.tar.gz
[10:03] <bluesabre> 838b575ca8210bc67e53eedfb9aa3bda69235cc0  shimmer-themes_2.0.0.orig-wallpapers.tar.gz
[10:04] <bluesabre> oh, signed sha1sum file
[10:05] <slickymasterWork> Unit193, everything went almost smooth with the -core installation
[10:05] <slickymasterWork> there was a small hick up in ubiquity after setting up the partitions
[10:06] <slickymasterWork> ubi-timezone crashed -> http://i.imgur.com/jtAta3f.jpg
[10:06] <slickymasterWork> but it installed nonetheless
[10:07] <slickymasterWork> you you want any logs just ping mre
[10:13] <bluesabre> micahg: https://copy.com/i3CPChMUaZlNrM6o
[10:45] <astraljava> ochosi: bluesabre: bug 1303736
[10:45] <astraljava> You had played with this? I'm seeing _occasionally_ the same symptoms on vivid, except that in my case I never even see the password dialog, when this problem occurs.
[10:54] <bluesabre> astraljava: it might be related to the proprietary graphics drivers
[10:55] <bluesabre> vt switch with nvivia can take over 10 seconds
[10:55] <bluesabre> then the greeter defaults to a sleeped display
[10:55] <bluesabre> as a "screensaver"
[10:55] <bluesabre> so keep clicking and wiggling
[11:00] <bluesabre> !team | Feature Freeze in one month
[11:00] <bluesabre> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule
[11:11] <astraljava> bluesabre: Good to know, thanks! By the way, I need to remove the $vt_switch from my grub boot parameter list, otherwise I will not get the passphrase for LVM encryption.
[11:11] <astraljava> Is it in any way related?
[11:11] <bluesabre> astraljava: I have no idea
[11:11] <bluesabre> Unit193 might know something about that though
[11:11] <astraljava> Ok, figured as much. Nobody seems to have a clue. :D
[11:12] <astraljava> Great, now he'll probably be annoyed enough for the ping, but it wasn't me, so I'm off the hook. :D
[11:12] <astraljava> Thanks for your assistance!
[11:12] <bluesabre> np
[11:12] <bluesabre> we ping Unit193 all the time
[11:13] <bluesabre> Unit193 likes talking to us
[11:13] <bluesabre> Unit193 is almost always around
[11:13] <bluesabre> it's probably because of what we did the to other 192 Units
[11:13] <bluesabre> >:D
[11:17] <astraljava> Aaahhhahahaha!
[11:18] <astraljava> So in essence he just keeps respawning when the earlier revision explodes?
[11:18] <bluesabre> seems to be the case
[11:18] <bluesabre> this one seems more durable than the last
[11:18] <astraljava> A bit like that Tom Cruise movie.
[11:18] <bluesabre> ... mixed with Groundhog Day
[11:19] <astraljava> Yep.
[11:19] <knome> boo, this is the development channel, not #bad-jokes
[11:19] <astraljava> Probably much more like that than epic fighting with space aliens.
[11:19] <bluesabre> lol
[11:19] <bluesabre> that's okay knome, I'm done now
[11:19] <bluesabre> gotta get ready for work
[11:19] <astraljava> Oh, oops. Sorry, knome, Unit193!
[11:19] <bluesabre> hf today guys :D
[11:19] <astraljava> You too!
[11:19] <knome> you too
[15:47] <dkessel> mhh newest parole no longer freezes on startup, but on exit... :)
[16:11] <knome> !team | meeting in 20mins
[16:28] <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
[16:28] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jul 20 16:28:37 2015 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:28] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:28] <knome> who's here for the meeting?
[16:29] <jjfrv8> o/
[16:29] <knome> (let's wait for 5 or so more for people to turn up)
[16:29] <knome> hey jjfrv8 :)
[16:29] <jjfrv8> hey, knome
[16:29] <micahg_work> o/
[16:29] <knome> allö micahg_work
[16:31] <dkessel> hellooo
[16:31] <knome> hey dkessel :)
[16:31] <slickymasterWork> sorry, being nagged by my boss :P
[16:31] <slickymasterWork> but here, now
[16:32] <knome> heh, hey slickymasterWork
[16:32] <knome> let's start then
[16:32] <knome> not much on the agenda, so likely a short meeting
[16:32] <knome> #topic Open action items
[16:32] <slickymasterWork> yeah
[16:32] <knome> -> dkessel to investigate automated image testing
[16:32] <knome> is that done?
[16:32] <knome> (whatever that means, seems like a huge scope)
[16:33] <dkessel> knome: well... i did what i could
[16:33] <knome> okay, so what's the current status of that?
[16:34] <dkessel> i contacted balloons, he told me that DanChapman would be working on it.
[16:34] <knome> right
[16:34] <dkessel> i then asked DanChapman about it again.... this time by mail, just yesterday. no response yet.
[16:34] <knome> let's not carry that action item on then
[16:35] <dkessel> i hope mail will cause a response...
[16:35] <knome> ultimately, it would be nice to turn that into work items in the blueprints if there is something we can benefit from and that is realistic to achieve
[16:35] <knome> thanks for taking care!
[16:35] <dkessel> i guess we can create a new item once we have some response
[16:36] <knome> yeah, and in the blueprints rather than meetings if at all appropriate, to have it actually tracked
[16:36] <knome> -> xubuntu-dev to review requirements for xubuntu-core iso, investigating patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd
[16:36] <knome> micahg_work, do you know the status of this review?
[16:36] <knome> or is it ochosi/bluesabre/Unit193 who are working on it?
[16:36] <micahg_work> nope, but I can help, I think Unit193 was driving this
[16:36] <slickymasterWork> that eas my impression also knome
[16:36] <slickymasterWork> s/eas/was
[16:37] <knome> i don't know much about it, so let's just carry it on and you can get on with working it later :)
[16:37] <knome> #action xubuntu-dev to review requirements for xubuntu-core iso, investigating patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd
[16:37] <meetingology> ACTION: xubuntu-dev to review requirements for xubuntu-core iso, investigating patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd
[16:37] <knome> #nick xubuntu-dev
[16:37] <knome> those were the only action items carried
[16:37] <knome> #topic Team updates
[16:38] <knome> #info knome worked on a PoC for a work items tracker specifically for Xubuntu
[16:38] <knome> ^ more on that under other discussions
[16:38] <slickymasterWork> nothing from -docs to report
[16:39] <knome> #info background: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-w/ was last updated on 13 July
[16:40] <micahg_work> broken cron?
[16:40] <knome> i have no further information on that
[16:41] <knome> the tracker is only used by us and some openstack people, so there's no guarantee that it will be kept running in the future
[16:41] <micahg_work> File a bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-work-items-tracker/
[16:42] <micahg_work> is there some new shinier tool people are using?
[16:42] <knome> the project isn't active, and it's not those people who control the instance anyway i believe, it'd be IS who could work on that
[16:42] <knome> let's move on and get back to the subject
[16:42] <knome> just a sec...
[16:42] <knome> #topic Announcements
[16:42] <knome> anything?
[16:43] <micahg_work> oh, I supposed I could've mentioned dev stuff
[16:43] <knome> #info Feature Freeze on August 20th
[16:43] <knome> yes... you could have :)
[16:43] <knome> #undo
[16:43] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: INFO
[16:43] <knome> #undo
[16:43] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: TOPIC
[16:43] <knome> go ahead
[16:43] <micahg_work> #info bluesabre packaged shimmer-themes 2.0.0 with the latest themes, micahg will upload soon
[16:44] <micahg_work> #info bluesabre is working to get QT apps to appear better in Xubuntu by setting environment variables appropriately
[16:45] <micahg_work> #info micahg to work on getting shimmer-themes back into the Xubuntu packageset
[16:45] <micahg_work> there's probably more, but that's what I remember at the moment
[16:45] <knome> ok
[16:45] <knome> #topic Announcements
[16:45] <knome> #info Feature Freeze on August 20th
[16:46] <knome> any other announcements?
[16:46] <micahg_work> not that I can think of
[16:46] <knome> #topic Discussion
[16:47] <knome> #subtopic Work items tracker
[16:47] <knome> so basically, the project you linked to has been inactive for a long time
[16:47] <knome> and it would be canonical IS who to contact about cron jobs not working
[16:47] <knome> but i hacked together a replacement last night already
[16:48] <knome> it doesn't do all the same things as the current one, but we should discuss what we want from the tracker at some point
[16:48] <micahg_work> well, code is public right?
[16:48] <micahg_work> we could just set up an instance
[16:48] <slickymasterWork> isn't pitti who maintains it>?
[16:49] <knome> if you are volunteering to do that and work on the improvements on the python code, then certainly
[16:49] <knome> slickymasterWork, the code, most likely not the instance
[16:49] <micahg_work> not me, but there are others on the team with enough python experience that if they so desired they could
[16:49] <knome> this has been discussed since ages, and nobody has stepped up
[16:50] <knome> which proves there isn't enough interest to do it with the current codebase
[16:51] <knome> i'm all for using existing tools... but idealism doesn't carry us too far, actions need to be taken if we want to go somewhere with it
[16:52] <knome> #action knome to follow up with team about the features the team would like to see in a status tracker, should we decide to use knome's code
[16:52] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to follow up with team about the features the team would like to see in a status tracker, should we decide to use knome's code
[16:52] <knome> any ideas/feedback on this now?
[16:53] <knome> (i'll post the PoC url for the team later)
[16:55] <knome> #subtopic Other discussions
[16:55] <knome> anything else?
[16:58] <knome> #topic Schedule next meeting
[16:58] <slickymasterWork> it's ochosi turn, I believe knome
[16:58] <knome> ochosi is up next for XPL duties
[16:58] <knome> yep
[16:58] <knome> #endmeeting
[16:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jul 20 16:58:42 2015 UTC.
[16:58] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-07-20-16.28.moin.txt
[16:59] <slickymasterWork> thanks knome
[16:59] <knome> minutes are up
[16:59] <knome> micahg_work, https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=26792
[17:00] <micahg_work> I'll have to look later
[17:00] <micahg_work> thanks
[17:00] <knome> well it's just a ticket saying status.ubuntu.com isn't updating
[17:00] <knome> but if you want to follow-up with it...
[17:00] <knome> or follow
[19:15] <ochosi> knome, micahg_work: i asked "the maintainers" (i don't know who it was anymore) at the beginning of the cycle about status.ubuntu, because it initially didn't even get set up for wily for a few weeks
[19:16] <ochosi> then they set it up, but reluctantly, saying it could be retired
[19:16] <ochosi> so this lack of updates is sort of in line with that, and not a huge surprise
[19:16] <micahg_work> maintainer was cjohnston IIRC
[19:20] <ochosi> right, i guess then it must've been him i talked to
[19:21] <ochosi> either way, one definitive advantage of using knome's code over the current implementation is that we can make it flexible and suit our needs, whereas general interest in status.ubuntu seemingly faded away
[19:22] <ochosi> and we can always make our code available, maybe that'll inspire interest in other teams as well (e.g. those who use trello atm)
[21:41] <bluesabre> hello all
[21:43] <knome> hey bluesabre
[21:43] <ochosi> hey
[21:44] <ochosi> bluesabre: good timing, please try: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/commit/1745782e1928fd28fdd44530cd7b3bf6fb3283d1
[21:44] <ochosi> also, in wily, the overlay scrollbars are not disabled in all apps
[21:44] <ochosi> e.g. mousepad still has them
[21:44] <ochosi> so that env-var seems to work only with gnome apps that implement it, not gtk-wide
[21:44] <bluesabre> yeah, seemingly thats the case :(
[21:45] <ochosi> so anyway, with my patch they should be usable
[21:46] <bluesabre> checking it out now
[21:52] <ochosi> soon it's taking you longer to check out the patch than it took me to write it ;)
[21:52] <bluesabre> took a while
[21:52] <bluesabre> :D
[21:52] <bluesabre> yeah, that seems ok
[21:52] <ochosi> yeah, the tweaking took most of the time
[21:52] <ochosi> wasnt sure what look to go for
[21:53] <ochosi> i don't mind adwaita's look
[21:53] <ochosi> but then again, this one looks more like current greybird
[21:53] <bluesabre> yup
[21:53] <ochosi> so yeah, personally i wouldn't disable the overlay scrollbars
[21:53] <ochosi> especially not like we're doing it now, cause it's not working so well
[21:55] <bluesabre> if it disables any at all its more consistent with the overall desktop
[21:55] <bluesabre> but yeah, I can remove it for next themes upload
[21:56] <bluesabre> it seems like a silly feature
[21:56] <ochosi> oh right, the themes haven't been uploaded yet, right?
[21:56] <bluesabre> apps are able to declare whether to support the overlay scrollbars
[21:56] <ochosi> it's something iOS has, is all i can think of :)
[21:56] <ochosi> right, that is a bit silly
[21:56] <ochosi> either they should always work or they shouldn't
[21:57] <ochosi> maybe that option will be dropped and was only added as a compromise because some app devs didn't like the scrollbars or something
[21:57] <bluesabre> maybe
[21:58] <ochosi> either way, the patch should make those cases where users have those scrollbars a lot better
[21:58] <bluesabre> yup
[21:58] <ochosi> be they always or just seldomly or never
[21:58] <bluesabre> thanks for that
[21:58] <bluesabre> :D
[21:58] <ochosi> no problem, just had to read a bit of gtk+ git commit backlog ;)
[21:58] <ochosi> (and convert the scss to css)
[21:59] <ochosi> (and make a consistent style)
[21:59] <bluesabre> gotta love the great documentation
[21:59] <ochosi> yeah, it's all in git log!
[21:59] <ochosi> :>
[21:59] <ochosi> recently someone emailed me about making gtk themes and where to find docs for that, i guess this will be my reply
[22:00] <ochosi> a new shimmer-themes hasn't been uploaded yet, right? still out of our package-set..?
[22:00] <bluesabre> yup
[22:01] <ochosi> k
[22:04] <bluesabre> 1 month to work on new software releases now :)
[22:04] <bluesabre> going to aim for 1/week
[22:04] <bluesabre> might lower some of my loftier goals ;)
[22:05] <ochosi> heh
[22:05] <ochosi> yeah, makes sense
[22:05] <ochosi> after all, this is the "summer cycle"
[22:05] <ochosi> not the one where most of the work usually happens
[22:05] <bluesabre> :D
[22:06] <bluesabre> gotta get in a good position for LTS though
[22:06] <ochosi> yep, we better make that one cound
[22:06] <ochosi> count too
[22:07] <ochosi> some things like xfpanel-switch should really see a release so we can test it in wily
[22:07] <ochosi> and iron out in x
[22:07] <bluesabre> yeah
[22:07] <bluesabre> I might get that one out next week
[22:07] <ochosi> i mean that one is "basically ready" iirc
[22:08] <ochosi> it still has some glitches with the save/restore routine iirc
[22:08] <bluesabre> this is a short week for me (anniversary), so aiming for a bugfix menulibre release tomorrow hopefully
[22:08] <ochosi> oh congarats!
[22:08] <ochosi> !congarats | bluesabre
[22:08] <ochosi> oh
[22:08] <ochosi> i thought ubottu knew something about congarats. or maybe it was conga-rats
[22:09] <bluesabre> !congarays-#ubuntu-devel or something like that
[22:09] <bluesabre> !congarats-#ubuntu-devel or something like that
[22:09] <bluesabre> !conga-rats-#ubuntu-devel or something like that
[22:09] <bluesabre> or nope
[22:09] <ochosi> :D
[22:09] <bluesabre> :D
[22:14] <bluesabre> ochosi: got anything you need me to look at tonight?
[22:14] <ochosi> btw, i think the UI for panel-switch could be two simple buttons in the panel config dialog
[22:14] <bluesabre> in the xfpanel dialog?
[22:15] <ochosi> like, just put a "save" and "load" button next to the "+" and "-" http://i.imgur.com/mm8S8SC.png
[22:15] <ochosi> naturally, that would only save the currently selected panel, so slightly different functionality
[22:15] <ochosi> but maybe just copying the xml would suffice there
[22:16] <ochosi> or was it still using .rcs
[22:17] <bluesabre> xml
[22:17] <bluesabre> its reading/writing xfconf
[22:17] <ochosi> i vaguely remember it being a bit hacky
[22:17] <ochosi> but it's been too long that i actually looked at the code
[22:18] <bluesabre> same here
[22:18] <ochosi> branching...
[22:19] <ochosi> hm, no module named panelconfig
[22:19] <ochosi> what did i miss there
[22:20] <bluesabre> hm
[22:20] <bluesabre> one sec
[22:22] <ochosi> (fwiw, i think xfpanel-switch is more likely to make it than that parole workitem)
[22:23] <bluesabre> yup
[22:24] <ochosi> unless ofc packagekit is as easy as they say and one of us has a spark of motivation + time
[22:25] <bluesabre> was pretty sure this worked at one point
[22:25] <bluesabre> but I think I have a fix
[22:25] <ochosi> heh
[22:26] <ochosi> "worked at some point" sounds like a nice release message
[22:28] <bluesabre> lol
[22:28] <bluesabre> pull it
[22:28] <bluesabre> ./configure; make; make install
[22:29] <ochosi> did that though
[22:29] <ochosi> no new revs
[22:29] <bluesabre> where are you looking?
[22:30] <ochosi> oh cra
[22:30] <ochosi> p
[22:30] <bluesabre> https://code.launchpad.net/~xfpanel-switch-dev/xfpanel-switch/trunk
[22:30] <bluesabre> ;)
[22:30] <ochosi> sry, was looking at your junk
[22:30] <knome> haha
[22:30]  * ochosi puts on his innocent not-native-speaker hat
[22:30] <bluesabre> lol
[22:32] <ochosi> looks
[22:32] <ochosi> good
[22:32] <bluesabre> ish
[22:32] <bluesabre> probably
[22:32] <ochosi> :)
[22:32] <bluesabre> :D
[22:32] <ochosi> well, enough for a 0.1 release and getting it into the archive imo
[22:33] <ochosi> then the way is paved for future updates in terms of looks and functionality
[22:33] <ochosi> and we might get some (useful) feedback too
[22:33] <bluesabre> yeah
[22:33] <bluesabre> might be difficult to get in, and maybe not
[22:33] <ochosi> so imo you can release it as is now
[22:33] <ochosi> and then we can start the process of getting it in, and into our packageset
[22:34] <bluesabre> I'll work on it a bit still
[22:34] <ochosi> dunno, have little experience with that
[22:34] <ochosi> you mean now?
[22:34] <bluesabre> probably, or at least tonight
[22:34] <ochosi> cause if you mean "in the near future", better release it now ;)
[22:34] <bluesabre> lol
[22:34] <ochosi> that was were we left things last time, iirc
[22:34] <bluesabre> true
[22:34] <ochosi> what do you wanna improve?
[22:35] <bluesabre> upload frequency?
[22:35] <ochosi> haha
[22:35] <ochosi> yeah, in terms of xfpanel-switch though
[22:35] <bluesabre> I'll do it
[22:36] <bluesabre> bug me about it if no action by this time tomorrow ;)
[22:36] <bluesabre> going to work on it now
[22:37] <ochosi> heh
[22:37] <ochosi> under the hood or UI wise though?
[22:38] <bluesabre> probably both
[22:38] <bluesabre> I'll get it to something I'd want to blog about
[22:39] <ochosi> hm, anything i can help you with?
[22:39] <ochosi> it'd have to be within the scope of 20mins though
[22:39] <ochosi> after that i gotta get some sleep
[22:40] <bluesabre> if you have any ui tweaks you'd like to make, go for it
[22:40] <ochosi> if you're not adding functionality, i'm not sure tbh :)
[22:41] <ochosi> other than an "import" button, i can't really think of much
[22:41] <ochosi> or an infobar saying "your current configuration hasn't been saved. [save] [x]"
[22:41] <bluesabre> yeah
[22:41] <ochosi> but that'd mean somehow checking whether it has been saved
[22:43] <bluesabre> can timestamp the xml file
[22:43] <ochosi> sure, but then it'd still be almost always visible
[22:44] <ochosi> oh, or did you mean something like "you haven't backed up your configuration in a week. [save now] [x]" ?
[22:45] <bluesabre> the message would only be displayed when this app is open
[22:45] <bluesabre> so if there are unsaved changes, can notify
[22:46] <bluesabre> or maybe not do that at all for this release
[22:46] <ochosi> yeah
[22:46] <ochosi> that's why i meant maybe this is for later cause it needs changes under the hood too
[22:47] <bluesabre> yeah
[22:50] <ochosi> so anyway, i got no ideas how to do this basic UI significantly better for the moment
[22:50] <ochosi> the app is still a bit rough/dumb, and so is the UI
[22:50] <bluesabre> definitely not release ready
[22:50] <bluesabre> lots of buttons do nothing
[22:50] <bluesabre> particularly saving
[22:50] <ochosi> oh
[22:51] <bluesabre> was pretty sure I made more progress than this
[22:51] <ochosi> that's interesting
[22:51] <bluesabre> :\
[22:51] <ochosi> didn't it "work at some point"?
[22:51] <bluesabre> pretty sure
[22:51] <Unit193> I was sure bluesabre was patching cdimage/livecd-rootfs.
[22:51] <bluesabre> I'll work on this
[22:52] <bluesabre> er, not that
[22:52] <knome> haha
[22:52] <bluesabre> Unit193: I don't know what changes are needed there
[22:53] <Unit193> That's OK, nor do I.
[22:54] <bluesabre> nice
[22:54] <bluesabre> we'll need to start asking around then
[22:58] <bluesabre> ochosi: I'll get it up to par tonight
[22:58] <ochosi> this is why workitems should really be assigned to individuals rather than teams
[22:58] <ochosi> i mean the -core issue
[22:58] <knome> YES
[22:58] <ochosi> (xfpanel-switch too though)
[22:59] <ochosi> Unit193: you ok with getting assigned to the xubuntu-core workitem?
[22:59] <knome> being assigned a work item shouldn't mean that you do 100% of the work either, just that you are the one that oversees the progress
[22:59] <ochosi> exactly
[22:59] <knome> (except maybe when it's a specific task, eg. a bug or a new feature)
[23:00] <ochosi> bluesabre: btw, it also doesn't set an appicon yet, so no icon in tabwin
[23:00] <Unit193> Eh, I'll likely put it off as long as I can, tbh.
[23:00] <knome> Unit193, pick another work item then? [:
[23:01]  * ochosi takes that as a "yes"
[23:01] <knome> ochosi, you'll take anything as a yes...
[23:01] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah
[23:01] <bluesabre> will fix it all
[23:01] <bluesabre> pretty sure it was past this stage :D
[23:01] <ochosi> bluesabre: oh also, isn't the x-d-s workitem already done?
[23:02] <bluesabre> yeah, why do you ask?
[23:02] <bluesabre> :D
[23:02] <ochosi> heh
[23:02] <knome> bluesabre, it isn't marked as such?
[23:03] <bluesabre> knome: you must have an outdated page, reload once in a while
[23:03] <bluesabre> ;)
[23:03] <ochosi> knome: i think "he asked knowingly"
[23:05]  * bluesabre is being mean
[23:05] <knome> hah :P
[23:05] <knome> ochosi, you know, his wife likes photography
[23:05] <knome> ochosi, could be holidays
[23:05] <ochosi> lol
[23:05] <ochosi> that is just too befitting
[23:06] <ochosi> yeah, i think he's a man of the world, he's been around
[23:06] <knome> yeah, he's always going
[23:06] <ochosi> bluesabre: let us know if you need context ;))
[23:06] <knome> i bet she goes too
[23:06]  * bluesabre is lost
[23:06] <bluesabre> again
[23:07] <knome> bluesabre, you STILL haven't watched that sketch
[23:07] <bluesabre> oh wait
[23:07] <bluesabre> I think you gave me this one to watch once
[23:07] <bluesabre> its been a while
[23:07] <knome> yes...
[23:07] <bluesabre> didn't absorb it completely
[23:07] <ochosi> bluesabre: try again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrDFGa0juCM
[23:07] <knome> ooh, absorb
[23:07] <bluesabre> didn't marinade in it for a few years
[23:07] <knome> says he knowingly
[23:07] <ochosi> 4mins not wasted
[23:08] <ochosi> knome: yeah, he's a go-er
[23:17] <ochosi> bluesabre: good luck with xfpanel-switch, gotta hit the sack
[23:18] <bluesabre> seeya ochosi: pull from the repo again tomorrow and give it a spin
[23:18] <ochosi> will, and i hope it'll spin!
[23:18] <ochosi> ;)
[23:18] <knome> ooh, spin
[23:19] <knome> i'm off as well
[23:19] <knome> nighty and ttyl
[23:29] <bluesabre> saving fixed
[23:54] <bluesabre> cleared out deprecated widgets
[23:54] <bluesabre> progress!