[12:03] <siretart> rbelem: bsd and mit sound fine to me
[12:03] <siretart> gn8 folks
[12:04] <tseng> mit is the loosest ive read
[12:04] <rbelem> g'night siretart and thanks for you help ;-)
[12:05] <rbelem> tseng: is mit closer to 'do whatever you want'?
[12:05] <tseng> yes
[12:05] <rbelem> hum... nice!
[12:07] <rbelem> tseng: can i put these 3 licenses in debian/copyright?
[12:07] <tseng> hrm why all 3
[12:08] <\sh> good night gentlemen...
[12:08] <rbelem> there are many files. many with gpl and lgpl and just one with "do whatever you want"
[12:08] <tseng> hm yeah
[12:08] <tseng> if those files become mit you can put the three in copyright
[12:09] <rbelem> nice... like this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7036
[12:09] <tseng> sure
[12:10] <tseng> the format isnt that strict as long as you have all the valid info
[12:10] <tseng> nothing to sweat over
[12:11] <rbelem> tseng: nice ;-)
[12:12] <rbelem> thanks so much tseng ;-)
[12:12] <tseng> yep
[12:12] <tseng> rbelem: esp if the files dont have proper headings
[12:13] <tseng> rbelem: you may want to list files under either license
[12:13] <tseng> respectively
[12:13] <LaserJock> Kyral: it isn't nice to kill
[12:14] <rbelem> tseng: there are many files without headers :/
[12:14] <tseng> yeah thats not good news
[12:15] <rbelem> tseng: I have ask then to put headers in all files
[12:15] <tseng> does the COPYING file reference what part is what
[12:15] <tseng> ambiguity is pretty useless
[12:15] <rbelem> there is not COPYING :/
[12:15] <rbelem> tseng: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1484
[12:16] <rbelem> i just uploaded, but need many changes
[12:16] <Kyral> gah
[12:16] <punkrockguy318> Hello! How can I become a motu?  I'm an experianced UNIX user with knowledge in C, Python, Bash, and BASIC.  I've done a lot of packaging for Arch Linux, and a little debian packaging.  Where do I start?  I actually have a package I've made that I would like to contribute but I don't know what to do.
[12:16] <Kyral> I keep getting smtp "Space Shortage"
[12:17] <rbelem> punkrockguy318: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUDocumentationDraft
[12:18] <chninkel> Kyral: what is your problem ?
[12:19] <Kyral> chninkel: I have exim4 setup to email to GMail
[12:19] <lamont> Kyral: and is it a _large_ file?
[12:19] <Kyral> the email?
[12:19] <rbelem> punkrockguy318: sounds nice?
[12:20] <Kyral> its just mailing list stuff
[12:20] <chninkel> Kyral: you set up smtp auth with exim ?
[12:21] <punkrockguy318> rbelem: yes
[12:21] <chninkel> Kyral: with the smarthost I mean
[12:21] <Kyral> chninkel: yah
[12:21] <Kyral> it sends fine..
[12:21] <rbelem> punkrockguy318: cool ;-)
[12:21] <Kyral> but lemme pastebin the fetchmail stuff
[12:22] <punkrockguy318> i think i'd be interesting in contributing more to ubuntu then just bug reports/mailing list opinions and the ocassional patch
[12:23] <Kyral> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7039
[12:24] <lucas> gnight
[12:24] <chninkel> Kyral: what do you have in /var/log/exim4/mainlog ?
[12:25] <chninkel> good night lucas
[12:25] <lucas> punkrockguy318: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[12:25] <lucas> (better entry point)
[12:26] <LaserJock> wow, the LP teams converstation is hard to follow ;-)
[12:26] <Kyral> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7040
[12:27] <chninkel> Kyral: ?? Didn't you launched exim twice ? or as an unprivileged user ?
[12:28] <Kyral> maybe
[12:28] <Kyral> lol
[12:28] <Kyral> I should reboot
[12:28] <Kyral> clear the system a bit
[12:28] <chninkel> Kyral: linux is not windows, you shouldn't have to reboot
[12:28] <Kyral> yah but just to make sure
[12:29] <Kyral> I have been putting daemons up and down like nuts
[12:29] <chninkel> Kyral: netstat -taupe
[12:29] <chninkel> Kyral: and find the process listening on smtp port (25)
[12:30] <Kyral> nothing is...
[12:30] <Kyral> okay I had to sudo
[12:30] <Kyral> exim is
[12:32] <Kyral> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7041
[12:33] <LaserJock> darn, I wish I hadn't had to leave the meeting >:(
[12:34] <Kyral> ooops
[12:34] <Kyral> I started exim as user
[12:35] <Kyral> bbiab
[12:40] <Kyral> okay that worked lol
[12:40] <Kyral> okay before I make another idiot mistake, should I start fetchmail as my user or using init.d?
[12:41] <lifeless> depends on how you have configured it
[12:42] <Kyral> lets put it this way, I can run fetchmailconf as a user and the tests go fine :D
[12:44] <Kyral> I'll just throw it to the background...
[01:00] <phanatic> goodnite
[01:16] <Kyral> ITP for EasyChem sent
[01:17] <LaserJock> good
[01:18] <Kyral> got fetchmail and exim going too
[01:19] <LaserJock> that's funny I got exim working to do my ITP too
[01:20] <Kyral> lol
[01:20] <Kyral> but I did it with Emacs
[01:20] <Kyral> now I'm trying to figure out how to filter all the email..like into folders lol
[01:21] <LaserJock> well, I have thunderbird for that
[01:21] <Kyral> lol
[01:21] <Kyral> I got tired of having to SSH -x when I wanted to check mail
[01:21] <Kyral> now I just C-a C-C in Screen :D
[01:25] <Kyral> and I don't know if it got sent lol
[01:25] <Kyral> Emacs said it did
[01:25] <LaserJock> well, now you get to wait, it took a long time to get a response from BTS
[01:25] <Kyral> meh
[01:26] <Kyral> I need to know how to turn off the headers for Mutt
[01:27] <womble> Kyral: Farting in bed always does it for me
[01:27] <crimsun_> 'h'
[01:27] <Kyral> ..
[01:34] <ajmitch> Kyral: and if that's not good enough, you can tell mutt what headers to ignore by default
[01:37] <LaserJock> apple.just started shipping iMacs with an Intel Core Duo chip, anybody know what that is all about? is it PPC?
[01:38] <LaserJock> I don't think it is, but what is it then?
[01:38] <jamessan> nope. you can tri-boot OS X, Linux, Windows
[01:39] <LaserJock> so what is the arch ia64?
[01:39] <jamessan> ia32, afaik. this one isn't 64-bit
[01:39] <jamessan> just dual core
[01:39] <LaserJock> oh
[01:39] <LaserJock> well sweet
[01:39] <psusi> you just answered your own question... Intel != PPC ;)
[01:40] <jamessan> I'm surprised you hadn't heard about them making this decision months ago
[01:40] <LaserJock> I'm glad I waited a couple days to submitt the PO
[01:40] <Kyral> mutt is nice though
[01:40] <Kyral> quick and efficient
[01:40] <Kyral> and I got the email back from BTS
[01:40] <psusi> ia64 = Intel's Itanium processor
[01:40] <LaserJock> jamessan: I heard about the decision I just thought it was in a year or so
[01:41] <jamessan> ah
[01:41] <LaserJock> They say it is 2-3 faster than the G5s they were shipping
[01:42] <raphink> that's what they say
[01:42] <jamessan> too bad they didn't go with AMD. AMD's dual core chips are much faster than Intel's
[01:42] <raphink> when they released the G5 they said it was much faster yet it was shown the statistics were not exact
[01:42] <LaserJock> so if I were to install Ubuntu what would I install, the i386 cd?
[01:42] <raphink> not that I don't like macs, I do ;)
[01:42] <lifeless> if you have an ix86 yes
[01:43] <raphink> lifeless: the question in on intel macs
[01:43] <raphink> I guess
[01:43] <psusi> I don't think it will just work... it's using an intel chip, but I think the mac bios still boots differently
[01:43] <raphink> s/in/is/
[01:43] <lifeless> raphink: oh, in which case dont both
[01:43] <lifeless> *bother*
[01:43] <lifeless> unless you are ready to write an x1600 driver
[01:43] <psusi> I've seen a few messages going around talking about a special lilo required to boot from the mac bios
[01:43] <raphink> LaserJock: did you read the thread on ubuntu-dev ML ?
[01:43] <jamessan> it's not actually a bios, iirc. something called EMI
[01:43] <raphink> psusi: yes, elilo
[01:44] <raphink> EFI
[01:44] <LaserJock> raphink: about what?
[01:44] <jamessan> ah, EFI
[01:44] <raphink> about that LaserJock ;)
[01:44] <psusi> I believe that is just what they call the different partition arrangement and how the bios boots it
[01:44] <raphink> Plans for Ubuntu on new Intel Macs?
[01:44] <raphink> thats' in ubuntu-devel
[01:44] <raphink> sent yesterday
[01:44] <LaserJock> oh
[01:45] <raphink> LaserJock: http://archives.free.net.ph/thread/20060112.193136.f8f7dc00.en.html
[01:45] <raphink> there
[01:45] <Kyral> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=347849
[01:45] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 347849: "easychem -- Draw high-quality molecules and chemical 2D formulas" Package: ITP, Severity: wishlist, Maintainer<EMAIL_ADDRESS>http://bugs.debian.org/347849
[01:45] <raphink> ;)
[01:46] <ajmitch> sigh, so many zope merges to get through this week
[01:46] <ajmitch> so many debian bugs to file
[01:46] <ajmitch> 215 open merge bugs, 1 week till UVF
[01:46] <ajmitch> we're in for a fun week alright
[01:46] <raphink> :s
[01:46] <raphink> yes
[01:47] <ajmitch> since one of them still has users, at least
[01:47] <raphink> :s
[01:47] <raphink> what is zope?
[01:48] <LaserJock> I think that we should go through see what merge bugs should be marked as fixed
[01:48] <ajmitch> web application server
[01:48] <ajmitch> a rather major python work :)
[01:48] <raphink> ok
[01:48] <raphink> LaserJock: +1
[01:48] <raphink> LaserJock: did you read the url I sent you?
[01:48] <LaserJock> yeah, I just got that in my last ubuntu-devel digest
[01:48] <raphink> ajmitch: what is wrong with it ?
[01:48] <ajmitch> raphink: eh?
[01:48] <raphink> hehe
[01:49] <raphink> ajmitch:  2 zope packages removed from unstable & dapper <--- why were they removed?
[01:49] <Kyral> Now that the ITP is filed should I file a RFS?
[01:49] <ajmitch> because they were orphaned & unmaintained?
[01:50] <LaserJock> maybe I will have to be a guinea pig for this ubuntu on intel macs thing
[01:50] <raphink> hmm that's a reason to remove them from Debian ajmitch
[01:50] <LaserJock> Kyral: if you have a package ready to go
[01:50] <raphink> but is it a reason to remove them from ubuntu?
[01:50] <ajmitch> raphink: I am aware of that :P
[01:50] <raphink> ;)
[01:50] <Kyral> LaserJock: I should run a test in my SidPbuilder first...
[01:50] <ajmitch> there are 72 zope packages in universe sources
[01:50] <LaserJock> wow
[01:50] <raphink> ouch
[01:50] <ajmitch> 29 on my list to merge
[01:51] <LaserJock> anbody on the MOTURuby team here?
[01:51] <raphink> LaserJock: you want to buy a new mac?
[01:51] <LaserJock> I am buying 2 for the lab
[01:51] <raphink> nice
[01:51] <ajmitch> although I have 39 zope merge bugs open
[01:51] <raphink> they're a bit expensive for me
[01:51] <LaserJock> I was going to send the PO today
[01:51] <LaserJock> raphink: that is what government money is fore
[01:51] <raphink> otherwise mabye I'd go for a new mac laptop
[01:51] <raphink> LaserJock: hehe
[01:51] <ajmitch> which indicates that a few have been done somehow, whether by being removed or not
[01:52] <raphink> I'd like to be sure it can boot on ubuntu though :s
[01:52] <LaserJock> well, I'm going to take my Ubuntu box home so I will be able to ssh to it at least
[01:52] <raphink> these look nice http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/francestore.woa/91501/wo/8U2ippnIOxgu2uQGK4z1kieujyh/0.SLID?nclm=MacBook&mco=32B42242
[01:52] <Kyral> I <3 SSH
[01:53] <raphink> :)
[01:53] <ajmitch> looks like another zope package to sync
[01:53] <psusi> ahhh, nice... spinning down my hard disks DOES make it quieter in here
[01:53] <Kyral> lol
[01:53] <psusi> now if only I could get my case fans under the control of the OS
[01:53] <Kyral> I cannot sleep without my case fans doing :D
[01:53] <psusi> the CPU fan is spun down but not the case fans
[01:54] <raphink> Kyral: I got used to it
[01:54] <raphink> my comp is VERY noisy
[01:54] <raphink> but you get used to it realy ;)
[01:54] <psusi> hehe... I used to leave my old computer on all the time, had dual 10,000 rpm first generation scsi seagate cheetahs
[01:54] <LaserJock> we've got an iMac in the lab that is very noisy sometimes
[01:54] <psusi> my friends came over one day and said what the fuck is that jet engine sound?
[01:54] <raphink> ajmitch: :D :D
[01:54] <LaserJock> It then overheats and shuts down
[01:55] <raphink> ajmitch: you still need to get elmo ;)
[01:55] <psusi> I didn't even notice because I was so used to it, but one of the drives had bad bearings and made a LOT of noise
[01:55] <psusi> back to sleep you bastards!
[01:55] <ajmitch> raphink: so?
[01:55] <raphink> hmm so nothing;)
[01:55] <psusi> ahh, must have been thunderbird... it must be sync()ing...
[01:55] <raphink> I did several syncs lately
[01:56] <raphink> assigned the bug to motureviewers
[01:56] <raphink> tried to ping elmo
[01:56] <raphink> and they are still waiting :s
[01:56] <raphink> maybe I should ask a MOTU to ping elmo for me
[01:56] <ajmitch> elmo is only meant to pay attention to MOTUs
[01:56] <ajmitch> not random others
[01:56] <raphink> oh ok
[01:57] <raphink> ajmitch: then could you have his attention on 3 syncs please?
[01:57] <ajmitch> maybe
[01:57] <raphink> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/6663
[01:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6663: "freeciv: merge new debian version" Fix req. for: freeciv (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Reviewers Team, Status: Fix Committed http://launchpad.net/bugs/6663
[01:57] <raphink> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/6664
[01:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6664: "nonfree (Ubuntu) - unrar-nonfree: merge new debian version" Fix req. for: unrar-nonfree (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Reviewers Team, Status: Fix Committed http://launchpad.net/bugs/6664
[01:57] <raphink> and https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/6682
[01:57] <bmonty> elmo will do syncs for non-MOTUs if he knows who you are.
[01:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6682: "eagle: merge new debian version" Fix req. for: eagle (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Reviewers Team, Status: Fix Committed http://launchpad.net/bugs/6682
[01:57] <LaserJock> bmonty: hi!
[01:57] <ajmitch> raphink: I said maybe
[01:57] <Kyral> LJ when you submitted Plotdrop did you build with the Ubuntu Revision?
[01:57] <bmonty> hey LaserJock
[01:57] <raphink> bmonty: ok
[01:58] <LaserJock> Kyral: no, I made an unstable package because I needed to fix something anyway
[01:58] <raphink> ajmitch: I know you said maybe, but I still send the urls
[01:58] <Kyral> okay
[01:58] <LaserJock> bmonty: how's the little guy?
[01:58] <raphink> but I'm going to be right now and it's not a maybe
[01:58] <bmonty> pretty good from what I hear, but I haven't seen him in a week :(
[01:59] <LaserJock> bmonty: oh yeah, last I saw you were doing merges in the airport
[01:59] <bmonty> yup :)
[01:59] <bmonty> I'm going home tomorrow though
[02:00] <psusi> hrm... what besides fsync and fdatasync can cause dirty buffers to be flushed?
[02:03] <ajmitch> all of my zope merges belong to only 3 DDs
[02:03] <ajmitch> wonderful
[02:03] <tseng> woo
[02:03] <tseng> good afternoon new zealand
[02:03] <ajmitch> hello tseng
[02:04] <tseng> so mjg59 talked me out of a macbook
[02:05] <ajmitch> nice
[02:06] <tseng> his last post says the video is highly unlikely to work
[02:06] <LaserJock> x1600
[02:08] <LaserJock> yeah, could one use vesa or something?
[02:08] <LaserJock> opps, should have read farther
[02:09] <LaserJock> darn, that really sucks
[02:09] <bmonty> I just realized I didn't eat lunch and that is why I'm so freaking hungry....be back in a few after I get some food
[02:09] <Kyral> yup
[02:10] <Kyral> EasyChem builds in Sid
[02:10] <LaserJock> so did you make a Debian versioned package?
[02:10] <Kyral> no
[02:10] <Kyral> this was just to check to see if it built ;P
[02:12] <psusi> anyone know what /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode does?
[02:12] <tseng> yes
[02:12] <psusi> care to 'splain me? ;)
[02:12] <Kyral> it monitors things about laptops, mainly battery state
[02:12] <tseng> combined with hdparm tuning it optimizes battery by queing up writes into big blocks
[02:13] <Kyral> that too
[02:13] <tseng> and leaves the disk spun down in the mean time
[02:13] <tseng> Kyral: it has nothing to do with monitoring anything
[02:13] <tseng> its a sysctl
[02:13] <Kyral> tseng: oh
[02:13] <Kyral> lol
[02:13] <Kyral> I must have been thinking Laptop-Mode
[02:13] <Kyral> the package
[02:13] <tseng> (which *monitors* what?)
[02:13] <psusi> hrm... maybe I shuld try enabling it... I tweeked dirty_expire_centisecs and dirty_writeback_centisecs to allow dirty buffers for a long time
[02:13] <psusi> but something is still spinning up the disks
[02:14] <Kyral> if the thing is plugged in ;P
[02:14] <tseng> Kyral: acpi-support does that
[02:14] <Kyral> oh
[02:14] <tseng> acpi-support calls laptop-mode, blanks the screen, and various other things
[02:14] <psusi> let's see how long they stay spun down for now...
[02:15] <Kyral> LJ you think I should build a Debian Revision?
[02:15] <tseng> psusi: eh i have a feeling you put a 1 in laptop mode
[02:15] <psusi> damnit... they came back up
[02:15] <tseng> psusi: you should use the user space tools and read the manpage
[02:15] <psusi> tseng, yea, I just did
[02:15] <tseng> hdparm is half the battle
[02:15] <psusi> I got hdparm to spin them down with -y... but they come back up after 30-60 seconds
[02:17] <LaserJock> Kyral: ask ajmitch, but I would think so
[02:18] <LaserJock> so I wonder if it would be possible to set up a chroot or pbuilder in OSX
[02:18] <ajmitch> Kyral: yes, you must
[02:19] <ajmitch> Kyral: the package has to have unstable or experimental as distribution
[02:19] <ajmitch> and a proper debian version number for a good reason
[02:19] <Kyral> so -1 ;P
[02:19] <psusi> aha, reading this script is splaining some things better
[02:20] <ajmitch> what's the ubuntu version?
[02:20] <Kyral> 0ubuntu1
[02:20] <ajmitch> then yes, -1
[02:21] <psusi> hehe... this is like a game of clue
[02:21] <ajmitch> yay, 25 packages to sync out of the 29 I had on my list
[02:22] <LaserJock> so are we using the revu.tauware.de list for merges/sync anymore?
[02:22] <sistpoty> LaserJock: yes, I update them every 2-3 days
[02:22] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes, we are
[02:22] <ajmitch> sistpoty: I've got packaged removed in dapper & unstable on that list
[02:23] <ajmitch> and I've got 10 more zope merges than my script tells me I should ;)
[02:23] <ajmitch> I'll track down which ones they are in a minute
[02:23] <sistpoty> ajmitch: it cannot handle removals...
[02:23] <tseng> that post is months old
[02:23] <tseng> er
[02:23] <LaserJock> so there are only 19 pacakges left to sync/merge?
[02:23] <ajmitch> LaserJock: hah!
[02:24] <ajmitch> LaserJock: see the number of accepted packages
[02:24] <LaserJock> yeah, that is what I don't understand
[02:24] <sistpoty> LaserJock: left to sync/merge without anybody caring for it yet ;)
[02:24] <psusi> hrm... I think I need to do some more hacking on my fixed acpi dsdt to get the case fan to spin down now... hehe
[02:24] <LaserJock> why is accepted so large? I was doing each one as I went, maybe other's aren't?
[02:25] <sistpoty> hm... crimsuns list is huge
[02:26] <LaserJock> well, I think we might want to clean up accepted
[02:26] <sistpoty> would be a good idea...
[02:26] <LaserJock> I think there are quite a few merge bugs not closed
[02:26] <ajmitch> sure
[02:26] <LaserJock> maybe
[02:26] <ajmitch> nearly all of mine that I've done are closed
[02:27] <ajmitch> I only have 3 non-zope merges on that lsit
[02:29] <ajmitch> 2 of which are merged, the other one was FTBFS
[02:29] <LaserJock> so what is the best/easiest way of determining if a merge bug should be closed
[02:30] <ajmitch> seeing if the package is built on all archs, and the merge is done
[02:30] <sistpoty> well, not all arches... ia64 has quite some probs right now
[02:31] <sistpoty> po-debconf  *cough*
[02:31] <LaserJock> ok, so I am looking a zsi and the bug report status has "Fix released" so isn't that closed?
[02:32] <sistpoty> LaserJock: if it's fix commited, just tell me or s.o. with tiber access to update it
[02:32] <ajmitch> maybe some evil malone changes have done something as well
[02:32] <sistpoty> ajmitch: you bet... I only figured that 2 days ago (and adjusted the mail-parser)
[02:34] <ajmitch> sistpoty: yeah..
[02:34] <ajmitch> ok, got 10 zope-* merge bugs that are packages removed from unstable & dapper
[02:34] <ajmitch> yay for diff & madison-lite
[02:35] <sistpoty> ajmitch: want to delete them yourselves, or should I do it?
[02:35] <ajmitch> you can
[02:35] <ajmitch> ~ajmitch/zope-not-on-list
[02:35] <ajmitch> on tiber
[02:36] <ajmitch> sistpoty: and then I've only got 4 remaining zope packages that actually need merging ;)
[02:36] <sistpoty> ajmitch: ok, will be gone in a minute ;)
[02:36] <ajmitch> thanks
[02:38] <sistpoty> np... done
[02:38] <LaserJock> ok, so I will try to go through the accepted list and look for stuff that is already "fixed"
[02:38] <sistpoty> LaserJock++
[02:38] <ajmitch> LaserJock: nautilus-python is 'fixed', but I want to get the version from experimental done instead
[02:39] <LaserJock> k
[02:39] <Kyral> hmm
[02:39] <Kyral> in Mutt
[02:39] <Kyral> when I read something
[02:39] <Kyral> its transferred from /var/mail to $mbox?
[02:40] <LaserJock> ok, so what about Malone bug #6643
[02:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6643: "xzoom: merge new debian version" Fix req. for: xzoom (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: Confirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/6643
[02:41] <crimsun_> LaserJock: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-January/004538.html
[02:41] <LaserJock> crimsun_: so it should be "fix released", correct?
[02:42] <crimsun_> I haven't checked ia64, but it builds on our 3 release arches, yes.
[02:43] <LaserJock> ia64 is failed
[02:43] <ajmitch> we can ignore ia64 for now
[02:43] <LaserJock> so I am changing status to "fix released"
[02:44] <crimsun_> it ftbfs on ia64 due to issues unrelated to xzoom
[02:44] <crimsun_>   debhelper: Depends: po-debconf but it is not going to be installed
[02:44] <crimsun_> E: Broken packages
[02:45] <sistpoty> hm... libghemical ftbfs on ia64 but due to http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=17224.
[02:45] <Ubugtu> Error: Unknown bugtracker
[02:45] <sistpoty> but I guess I'll mark that fixed as well
[02:45] <LaserJock> not sure, azeem was talking to upstream about that I thought
[02:45] <Amaranth> Ubugtu needs to be less spammy
[02:46] <sistpoty> LaserJock: oh, k. I will mark it as fixed on the list, but leave the bug from me open then
[02:47] <ajmitch> sistpoty: down to 203 accepted! :)
[02:47] <sistpoty> wohoo
[02:47] <ajmitch> I'll send off this list of syncs to elmo somehow
[02:47] <ajmitch> might be best to email
[02:47] <crimsun_> yes, it's better to e-mail
[02:48] <ajmitch> 25 at once will be a lot to type out on irc
[02:49] <LaserJock> sistpoty: actually I can't rember what azeem said specifically he might have said that about another ghemical bug
[02:50] <sistpoty> LaserJock: don't remember that as well... but the bug is still there, so you have an excuse to break uvf for bug-fixing ;)
[02:51] <LaserJock> lol
[02:51] <LaserJock> ok for xwit there are two different merge bugs filed
[02:52] <ajmitch> LaserJock: that can happen
[02:53] <ajmitch> LaserJock: either 2 people at once, or it needed merged twice
[02:53] <sistpoty> seems more like needed merge twice
[02:53] <ajmitch> like pydb just did
[02:53] <ajmitch> and qemu might
[02:53] <ajmitch> since qemu only built on i386, I think
[02:54] <ajmitch> (debian's fault :) )
[02:54] <sistpoty> file a bug :P
[02:54] <ajmitch> it's known in debian, I meant
[02:54] <LaserJock> of course it's always debian's fault ;-)
[02:54] <psusi> ohh, badass... lm-profiler... how does THAT work?!
[02:55] <ajmitch> once these syncs are through I'll have very few merge bugs still open ;)
[02:56] <ajmitch> crimsun_: are most of yours still open ?
[02:56] <psusi> hrm.... blast... reiserfs kernel thread is what keeps syncing.... guess I'll have to start looking at that beast...
[02:57] <crimsun_> ajmitch: probably, I've been way too tired to close them. I'll do that tonight when I get off work.
[02:57] <ajmitch> crimsun_: ok, so they're done but not closed? that's not too bad :)
[02:57] <crimsun_> right, done but not closed
[02:57] <ajmitch> excellent
[02:57] <LaserJock> so given-back is not good in buildLogs, right?
[02:57] <sistpoty> oh, dholbach is listed for eclipse... but not a merge bug
[02:58] <sistpoty> LaserJock: no
[02:58] <sistpoty> is eclipse handled separately in ubuntu, or a normal merge?
[02:59] <LaserJock> so xtalk has i386 succesful and amd64 given back, so should I halfway close it?
[02:59] <sistpoty> LaserJock: what do you mean with "halfway"?
[02:59] <sistpoty> LaserJock: amd64 is rc, so this shouldn't be closed
[02:59] <LaserJock> well, I was mostly kidding
[03:00] <sistpoty> fix halfway commited :)
[03:00] <LaserJock> but it would be kinda nice to be able to track arch's better
[03:00] <ajmitch> yes
[03:00] <ajmitch> I think I might whip up something quick for the lists
[03:01] <ajmitch> have something that shows the build status of each package per arch
[03:01] <sistpoty> cool
[03:01] <ajmitch> it shouldn't be hard, we know the version number of each package
[03:01] <ajmitch> just parse filenames
[03:02] <LaserJock> crimsun_: xsidplay was a sync, correct?
[03:05] <crimsun_> LaserJock: xsidplay |  <IP_ADDRESS>-2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Sources
[03:05] <LaserJock> k, I'll close the bug
[03:06] <LaserJock> btw, how did you get that output
[03:06] <crimsun_> ``apt-cache madison xsidplay''
[03:07] <LaserJock> ah, thanks. I've been trying to figure out where that comes from for a few days
[03:08] <Kyral> okay time to file an RFS for EasyChem
[03:09] <psusi> any amd64 users care to test/comment on my fixed defrag package up on revu?
[03:09] <ajmitch> Kyral: good luck
[03:09] <Kyral> ty
[03:09] <LaserJock> Kyral: azeem should sponsor you
[03:10] <LaserJock> you might ask him directly before you email debian-mentors
[03:10] <Kyral> dunno
[03:10] <LaserJock> cause you file ITPs
[03:10] <Kyral> sending?
[03:11] <ajmitch> LaserJock: sure, but that's putting them in a BTS
[03:12] <LaserJock> well, sure but to us beginners sometimes the acronyms got all mixed up ;-)
[03:12] <ajmitch> kids these days..
[03:13] <LaserJock> now if it was MOTUItp or UniverseRFS I would have it down ;p
[03:13] <LaserJock> you just have to have the right prefix
[03:14] <LaserJock> do we care about sparc and hppa failures?
[03:15] <ajmitch> not really
[03:15] <ajmitch> noone actually uses them :)
[03:16] <LaserJock> hmm, this is odd, according to the buildLogs xonix has been merged sinc March 2005 for everything but sparc and hppa
[03:17] <ajmitch> 1.4-21 vs 1.4-21.1
[03:18] <ajmitch> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/x/xonix/1.4-21.1ubuntu1/
[03:18] <LaserJock> doh
[03:19] <lamont> universe/games/xonix_1.4-21.1ubuntu1: Installed by buildd-hppa+bld-3 [optional:uncompiled]
[03:19] <ajmitch> apache sorts differently
[03:19] <lamont> ajmitch: if someone wants to provide me a hack to make it sort better.... :-)
[03:19] <ajmitch> heh
[03:19] <ajmitch> evening lamont  :)
[03:19] <sistpoty> hi lamont
[03:19] <lamont> howdy.
[03:19] <lamont> about to head home, actually
[03:20] <ajmitch> working late tonight?
[03:20] <sistpoty> lamont: time left to clear dep-wait from boson-base?
[03:20] <lamont> all things are relative...
[03:21] <sistpoty> he, thx :)
[03:21] <lamont> sistpoty: done
[03:21] <sistpoty> thx lamont
[03:21] <Kyral> LJ you want me to CC the ubuntu science list?
[03:22] <LaserJock> Kyral: for you RFS?
[03:22] <Kyral> yah
[03:22] <LaserJock> umm, why don't you just email azeem and ask him to take a look at it
[03:22] <lamont> sistpoty: actually, I just pretended that automake1.6 was available everywhere...
[03:22] <Kyral> lol
[03:23] <Kyral> is azeem here?
[03:23] <LaserJock> not presently
[03:23] <Kyral> I'll just send it off
[03:23] <sistpoty> lamont: it doesn't b-d on automake1.6 any longer (if I did it right)
[03:23] <lamont> right
[03:24] <lamont> but anything else that b-d: automake1.6, well, it'll get retried too
[03:24] <LaserJock> Kyral: he offered to sponsor chemistry related packages in debian-science(and ubuntu-science) ML
[03:24] <sistpoty> oh, cool
[03:24] <Kyral> oh lol
[03:24] <lamont> universe/games/boson-base_0.11-0ubuntu1: Dep-Wait by buildd-hppa+bld-4 [optional:uncompiled]
[03:24] <lamont>   Dependencies: xlibmesa-gl-dev
[03:24] <lamont> what about that one?
[03:24] <sistpoty> would be good, but I guess I should fix it first?
[03:25] <lamont> nah - that's hppa, I figure
[03:25] <lamont> unless it has that build-dep and shouldn't...
[03:25] <sistpoty> it should actually :)
[03:25] <LaserJock> Kyral: lol, that was a very informative email you just sent debian-mentors ;p
[03:26] <Kyral> haha
[03:26] <Kyral> I am quite to the point
[03:26] <Kyral> unless Mutt screwed up and its blank :D
[03:26] <LaserJock> well, since DDs are psychic you should be ok ;-)
[03:26] <Kyral> Fetchmail hasn't hit another cycle lol
[03:26] <ajmitch> yes, wonderfully informative
[03:27] <Kyral> what is it lol
[03:27] <Kyral> it hasn't come back to me
[03:27] <ajmitch> I'd be jumping up & down to sponsor this package
[03:27] <ajmitch> 'Greetings'
[03:27] <Kyral> thats it?
[03:27] <ajmitch> but of course it's a gpg-signed greetings
[03:27] <Kyral> WTFmate?
[03:27] <ajmitch> that, and a gpg sig
[03:27] <Kyral> mutt broke lol
[03:27] <ajmitch> PEBKAC
[03:28] <Kyral> yah yah
[03:28] <Kyral> I feel like an idiot
[03:28] <Kyral> okay okay I fix
[03:29] <Kyral> this time using Evolution
[03:29] <LaserJock> hmm, has anybody gotten any emails of me closing bugs?
[03:29] <ajmitch> yes
[03:30] <LaserJock> I haven't
[03:30] <minghua> LaserJock: I do
[03:30] <LaserJock> to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[03:31] <ajmitch> yes
[03:31] <LaserJock> well that's odd
[03:32] <ajmitch> why?
[03:33] <LaserJock> I didn't get any of them
[03:34] <Kyral> Better?
[03:34] <LaserJock> lol, http://raw-output.org/20060113/solutions
[03:35] <LaserJock> yeah, except you really didn't need to do that I don't think
[03:35] <Kyral> huh?
[03:35] <LaserJock> like I said, you could have just emailed azeem
[03:35] <Kyral> Yah well lol
[03:35] <ajmitch> you didn't need to grab a shovel & start digging
[03:35] <Kyral> I knew that addy off the top of my head :D
[03:36] <LaserJock> Kyral: I could have given you his addy
[03:36] <Kyral> I'm gonna get snackage
[03:36] <LaserJock> well, regardless it is good to get the RFS out there
[03:37] <LaserJock> ajmitch: when did you send the "merge/sync compiled on all arches" email for pydb?
[03:37] <ajmitch> LaserJock: about 2-3 minutes ago
[03:38] <LaserJock> hmm, I got that but nothing from me
[03:38] <ajmitch> LaserJock: mailman might be set not to send email from you, to you
[03:38] <LaserJock> bummer
[03:40] <LaserJock> I can see them on the archive though so at least I can see what I did
[03:41] <ajmitch> sigh
[03:41] <ajmitch> I need to update my lpbugs.py obviously
[03:42] <LaserJock> why?
[03:42] <ajmitch> because it send an email saying it's fixed
[03:42] <ajmitch> launchpad rejects that now
[03:42] <ajmitch> The 'status' command expects any of the following arguments:
[03:42] <ajmitch> unconfirmed, needsinfo, rejected, confirmed, inprogress, fixcommitted, fixreleased
[03:42] <LaserJock> oh, yeah. that would be a problem
[03:43] <LaserJock> does \sh's lpbugs.py work? or is that what you are using?
[03:43] <ajmitch> that's what I'm using
[03:48] <LaserJock> so will the revu merge update if the Assigned To is MOTU as well as MOTU Merge Team?
[03:48] <ajmitch> not sure
[03:48] <ajmitch> probably not
[03:49] <ajmitch> actually they both have bug mail going to the same place
[03:49] <ajmitch> so it'll depend on the email parser
[03:50] <LaserJock> I don't think they do
[03:50] <ajmitch> ah well
[03:51] <LaserJock> so should I reassign them or just fix them manually?
[03:51] <ajmitch> I can probably close merges on tiber
[03:51] <psusi> I swear I just want to beat the everliving shit out of synaptic when I click upgrade and it goes... duh... ok, removing xxxxx
[03:52] <LaserJock> I can too, I just wondered if it was better to reassign them
[03:52] <psusi> WHY do you want to remove xxxx?  sheesh...
[03:53] <ajmitch> LaserJock: ah, you have tiber account now?
[03:53] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:53] <LaserJock> got it the other day for MOTUScience but sistpoty showed me how to close bugs a little bit ago
[03:53] <minghua> I suppose the "upgrade" button in synaptic is actually the "dist-upgrade" command in apt/aptitude?
[03:53] <ajmitch> LaserJock: right, using update_status.py there
[03:54] <ajmitch> minghua: it's an option in synaptic
[03:54] <LaserJock> ajmitch: right
[03:55] <minghua> ajmitch: I see.  pusi: you probably want to tinker that option, then
[03:55] <psusi> I don't think it's doing a dist-upgrade
[03:56] <ajmitch> psusi: upgrade alone will not remove packages
[03:56] <sistpoty> ok, I'm off to bed... gn8 everyone
[03:56] <ajmitch> night sistpoty
[03:56] <psusi> it just decides to remove packages either bacuse they are obsolete and that was intended, or because the ones I said to upgrade depend on packages that conflict or things
[03:56] <LaserJock> cya sistpoty
[03:56] <ajmitch> psusi: which is what dist-upgrade is..
[03:57] <ajmitch> unless you're marking some to install & then telling it to do it
[03:57] <psusi> hrm..... well, I mean half the time it is SUPPOSED to remove things... so it should... I don't want it not to... or it wouldn't let you upgrade
[03:57] <ajmitch> which is neither upgrade nor dist-upgrade
[03:57] <psusi> I just wish it would explain how it arrived at the conclusion that it should remove things... and let me tell it NO do not remove that one!
[03:57] <minghua> psusi: try aptitude :-)
[03:57] <psusi> it's whatever happens when you click upgrade
[03:58] <minghua> it tells you the reasons, and it lets you specify packages not to be removed
[03:58] <minghua> actually I think apt-get can do the latter too
[03:59] <psusi> aptitude does?
[03:59] <psusi> hrm... I like the gui though ;)
[03:59] <psusi> but I should try aptitude... heard it tracks deps and can remove unused deps... I don't see why all the apt tools don't do that...
[04:01] <minghua> because apt doesn't keep that information (installed as a dependency or not) in its database?
[04:01] <psusi> yea... I know... why doesn't it/
[04:01] <psusi> heh
[04:01] <ajmitch> psusi: because you haven't written the code to do so
[04:02] <psusi> hehe... I'm working on 12 other things right now ;)
[04:02] <ajmitch> and so are the apt maintainers
[04:03] <LaserJock> argghh, I keep renaming the stupid bugs
[04:03] <ajmitch> LaserJock: that's a silly thing to do
[04:03] <ajmitch> LaserJock: it could also affect the merge pages
[04:04] <LaserJock> for some reason the search page and status page look alike to me and then I go to do a new bug search and end up renaming the package name
[04:05] <LaserJock> looks like it just reappered on the merge page, I can manually fix it
[04:05] <LaserJock> darn it, I hate it when I screw stuff up like that
[04:08] <ajmitch> LaserJock: are you using madison-lite, or looking at build logs?
[04:08] <LaserJock> build-logs and madison
[04:08] <ajmitch> right
[04:08] <ajmitch> madison-lite shows what archs a binary is built on
[04:08] <ajmitch> if you know the binary package name
[04:09] <LaserJock> ok
[04:09] <ajmitch> apt-cache showsrc will show you binary packages
[04:09] <LaserJock> right
[04:10] <ajmitch> I should throw those 2 together
[04:11] <ajmitch> slowly getting down towards 190 or so assigned :)
[04:13] <LaserJock> hmm, I get "/usr/bin/madison-lite: can't open mirror directory './dists' " when I try to run it
[04:14] <ajmitch> on tiber/
[04:14] <ajmitch> ?
[04:14] <LaserJock> no, on my local machine
[04:14] <ajmitch> it needs to be configured & the files put in place
[04:14] <LaserJock> ok, I'll just use tiber
[04:14] <ajmitch> and an update script run every few hours :)
[04:14] <LaserJock> cool
[04:15] <LaserJock> oh wow, it has unstable and all the Ubuntu releases
[04:15] <ajmitch> yes
[04:16] <ajmitch> we got it working nicely :)
[04:16] <LaserJock> i'll say
[04:16] <ajmitch> I'll have to fix it properly for experimental now
[04:17] <ajmitch> ok, fixing..
[04:18] <ajmitch> this is taking awhile to update todat
[04:18] <ajmitch> s/todat/today/
[04:18] <LaserJock> maybe you need to manually change it
[04:18] <LaserJock> I've had to do ~5 that way so far
[04:19] <ajmitch> manually change what?
[04:19] <LaserJock> the status
[04:19] <LaserJock> or is that not what you are talking about
[04:19] <ajmitch> I was talking about madison-lite :)
[04:19] <LaserJock> ohh
[04:19] <LaserJock> sorry
[04:19] <ajmitch> but yes, I've had to do manual changes as well
[04:21] <ajmitch> at least the list is looking a bit better now :)
[04:22] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:23] <LaserJock> I thought that we had more done but then I realized that I hadn't always remembed to close the bugs since I waited for the buildLogs
[04:23] <ajmitch> I've gone through a couple of times & closed mine that should have been closed
[04:25] <LaserJock> so do you think I could assume that if a ubuntu2 version got through and there were two merge bugs that they both should be closed?
[04:25] <LaserJock> or should I just let crimsun handle that?
[04:25] <ajmitch> close them both
[04:26] <ajmitch> we'll go through all the open bugs sometime later, to do a proper cleanup
[04:26] <ajmitch> in case we miss some
[04:26] <LaserJock> k
[04:27] <LaserJock> parseMoMFile.py?
[04:27] <ajmitch> no, parseEMail.py
[04:28] <ajmitch> but I'm looking for what calls that
[04:29] <Kyral> hmm
[04:30] <Kyral> has anyone replied to my email?
[04:32] <ajmitch> ah, sistpoty's .forward
[04:34] <ajmitch> Kyral: what email?
[04:37] <ajmitch> LaserJock: be thankful that my list stands at about 113 merges for main & universe, based solely on source package versions
[04:38] <LaserJock> wow, that's a lot
[04:38] <LaserJock> how many for main?
[04:38] <ajmitch> LaserJock: no idea
[04:38] <ajmitch> btw, xmakemol?
[04:38] <ajmitch> closed or not?
[04:39] <ajmitch> hm, not closed
[04:39] <ajmitch> but the bug points elsewhere at the moment
[04:39] <LaserJock> oh, crap
[04:40] <LaserJock> what?
[04:40] <LaserJock> that is one I (of 2) that I accidentally renamed
[04:41] <ajmitch> yeah
[04:41] <ajmitch> whoops ;)
[04:41] <LaserJock> I think it is ok now though
[04:41] <ajmitch> 178
[04:41] <LaserJock> sistpoty said that he would blame me for anything going wrong with revu since he gave me an account, I guess I might be earning that ;p
[04:41] <ajmitch> coming down slowly
[04:41] <ajmitch> haha
[04:42] <LaserJock> ok, so if it hasn't built on AMD64...?
[04:42] <ajmitch> don't close yet, move on
[04:43] <LaserJock> doh, it hadn't built on sid but it did on dapper, I wonder why?
[04:43] <ajmitch> no idea
[04:43] <LaserJock> dang it ajmitch, I was working on xdb
[04:43] <ajmitch> that's debian's problem :)
[04:43] <ajmitch> oh?
[04:43] <LaserJock> ;-)
[04:44] <ajmitch> you mean it hadn't built on sid amd64?
[04:44] <ajmitch> if so, it didn't matter at all
[04:44] <ajmitch> we only care about dapper :)
[04:45] <LaserJock> don't let any DDs hear that, oh wait, you are a DD :)
[04:45] <ajmitch> :P
[04:45] <ajmitch> yay, soqt is ftbfs on dapper
[04:46] <LaserJock> ok, I'm starting from the top of the list now, you keep taking all of mine
[04:46] <ajmitch> haha
[04:46] <ajmitch> sorry
[04:47] <LaserJock> so amd64 we keep, ia64 we close?
[04:47] <ajmitch> hm?
[04:47] <ajmitch> ia64 is not a release arch, so I think we're fine ignoring it for now
[04:48] <LaserJock> so only i386 amd64 and ppc are release archs, correct?
[04:49] <ajmitch> yep
[04:51] <LaserJock> I wish Malone tracked the package version that the bug was reported against
[04:51] <ajmitch> it's amazing that it doesn't really
[04:51] <ajmitch> when you consider that this is meant to be for distributions to use
[04:52] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:52] <LaserJock> who works on Malone?
[04:55] <ajmitch> bradb & bjornt are the two I know of
[04:56] <LaserJock> doesn't seem like very many but I suppose they are canonical employees?
[04:57] <ajmitch> yes
[05:08] <ajmitch> 165, making progress ;)
[05:09] <Kyral> can anyone reccommend a good appointment/calandar program? Preferably console based?
[05:10] <LaserJock> emacs
[05:10] <Kyral> What mode
[05:11] <LaserJock> calendar
[05:12] <LaserJock> I don't know exactly
[05:12] <LaserJock> it is what my advisor uses
[05:12] <LaserJock> he uses emacs for virtually everything
[05:16] <Kyral> ah I see
[05:17] <ajmitch> 154..
[05:17] <ajmitch> not bad, that's at least 60 down from earlier ;)
[05:18] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:19] <ajmitch> sigh
[05:19] <ajmitch> the email parser needs a little work
[05:19] <ajmitch> I end up getting some assigned to me
[05:21] <ajmitch> and those are bugs I closed
[05:22] <LaserJock> how often is madison-lite updated?
[05:23] <ajmitch> on tiber?
[05:23] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:24] <ajmitch> wait until I find the cron job :)
[05:24] <ajmitch> daily
[05:24] <ajmitch> though I updated it when I fixed it an hour or two ago
[05:25] <Kyral> I'm begining to get scared
[05:25] <ajmitch> why?
[05:25] <Kyral> and all that Emacs can do...
[05:25] <ajmitch> it's a full OS
[05:25] <LaserJock> for gnustep-back buildLogs said it built but madison-lite has just source
[05:26] <Kyral> haha
[05:26] <ajmitch> LaserJock: when was that?
[05:26] <LaserJock> 10th
[05:27] <ajmitch> interesting
[05:27] <ajmitch> what's the binary name though?
[05:28] <ajmitch> gnustep-back0.10 | 0.10.2-1ubuntu1 |        dapper | amd64, i386, powerpc
[05:28] <LaserJock> gnustep-back
[05:28] <ajmitch> no, that's the source name :)
[05:28] <ajmitch> madison-lite won't map source->binary
[05:28] <LaserJock> is what I got from apt-get showsrc gnustep-back
[05:29] <ajmitch> LaserJock: look in the Binary: field
[05:29] <LaserJock> gnustep-back
[05:29] <ajmitch> not here
[05:29] <ajmitch> Binary: gnustep-back-doc, gnustep-gpbs, gnustep-back-common, gnustep-back0.10
[05:30] <LaserJock> apt-cache showsrc gnustep-back
[05:30] <LaserJock> oh, wait
[05:30] <LaserJock> that is for the previous version
[05:31] <LaserJock> how is apt-cache different between us
[05:33] <ajmitch> apt-cache might be showing 2 src records for you
[05:35] <LaserJock> ajmitch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7052
[05:36] <ajmitch> LaserJock: apt-cache is showing me a much newer version here, which matches what is in dapper
[05:36] <LaserJock> and your on tiber too?
[05:37] <ajmitch> nope
[05:37] <ajmitch> ah, you're using apt-cache on tiber..
[05:37] <ajmitch> no wonder
[05:37] <ajmitch> tiber runs breezy
[05:37] <LaserJock> yeah, ok. well at least I know what is going on
[05:38] <LaserJock> guess it makes sense that tiber wouldn't be running dapper :-)
[05:38] <ajmitch> :)
[05:38] <ajmitch> ok, I'm done up to r now :)
[05:39] <ajmitch> working up from the bottom
[05:39] <ajmitch> 142 remaining
[05:39] <crimsun> yes, apparently the 's's have ceased
[05:39] <ajmitch> crimsun lives!
[05:39] <crimsun> just returned from our LUG meeting (it's an hour drive)
[05:39] <ajmitch> crimsun: I hope you don't mind us closing all your bugs ;)
[05:40] <crimsun> ajmitch: oh not at all. I've redirected the mail to another folder anyhow. :)
[05:40] <ajmitch> good :)
[05:42] <LaserJock> crimsun: yeah, I sure hope I didn't close anything you wanted left open
[05:42] <ajmitch> some of your open bugs need revisited
[05:43] <ajmitch> quickplot is 0.8.6-1.1+b1 in unstable, which looks like a bin NMU
[05:43] <ajmitch> the source is the same, so I'll close the bug
[05:44] <ajmitch> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/11/msg00018.html for binNMU fun if anyone wants to read it :)
[05:45] <crimsun> LaserJock: puzzled by a few in which you renamed then reverted the source name, though
[05:45] <LaserJock> crimsun: yeah, for some reason LP pages were confusing me
[05:45] <LaserJock> and I ended up typing in the name of the next bug search I wanted to do
[05:45] <LaserJock> and once you hit enter ...
[05:46] <crimsun> ah
[05:47] <LaserJock> but I'm sure if revu dies sistpoty will blame me :-)
[05:47] <minghua> Riddell: ping
[05:51] <ajmitch> very strange, I wonder why pygame is not autosyncing..
[05:51] <ajmitch> blacklisted?
[05:52] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I gotta go now, but I got through the i's . I didn't have enough strength to start k ;-)
[05:53] <ajmitch> alright ;)
[05:54] <ajmitch> I'm going through p at the moment, so I'll try & clean up the rest
[05:54] <LaserJock> cool
[05:54] <LaserJock> we got rid of close to 100 I think
[05:55] <ajmitch> :)
[05:55] <LaserJock> ajmitch: thanks for helping me out an letting me work on it
[05:56] <ajmitch> it was good to have someone else doing it ;)
[05:56] <LaserJock> yes
[05:57] <LaserJock> goodnight MOTU world!
[05:57] <ajmitch> night LaserJock
[06:03] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, is there a reason azereus is not in ubuntu repos?
[06:04] <crimsun> at the time it didn't work with gcj; dunno if its status has changed
[06:06] <Burgundavia> crimsun, can it not be stuffed into multiverse?
[06:09] <ajmitch> alright, I think I've managed to get through the whole list
[06:09] <ajmitch> down to 117 merges
[06:09] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, you have to finish 117 by UVF?
[06:10] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: the MOTUs do, yes
[06:10] <crimsun> Burgundavia: because it's GPLed, it should be universe-ready if it works with gcj
[06:10] <Burgundavia> crimsun, but even if it only works with sun java, we can treat multiverse like contrib and put it there
[06:11] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: I can get another 29 off that list easily
[06:11] <Burgundavia> crimsun, it would prevent a lot of people from adding random repos just to get it
[06:11] <whiprush> hi guys
[06:11] <ajmitch> hey whiprush
[06:11] <ajmitch> what's up?
[06:12] <Burgundavia> whiprush, great dialog
[06:12] <whiprush> ajmitch: are you an emacs guy?
[06:12] <ajmitch> whiprush: depends what you mean - I use it
[06:12] <whiprush> Burgundavia: it's my second favorite one. :)
[06:12] <crimsun> Burgundavia: afaik, if an app requires sun/ibm/blackdown jre/jdk, it can't enter even multiverse
[06:12] <Burgundavia> whiprush, and your first?
[06:12] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: crimsun: which app ?
[06:12] <Burgundavia> crimsun, damn
[06:12] <whiprush> ajmitch: I've been trudging through the debian bts and bugzirra, can you help me with some insight into this: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/96509133/m/247007327731
[06:12] <crimsun> Burgundavia: though I may be incorrect regarding blackdown, since I think it's in multiverse
[06:12] <Burgundavia> Yagisan, azereus
[06:12] <whiprush> Burgundavia: oh, one sec
[06:12] <Burgundavia> crimsun, yes it is
[06:13] <crimsun> does azureus work with blackdown's jre?
[06:13] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: thanks. love that app, need java 1.5 runtime
[06:13] <ajmitch> whiprush: I've seen that on my box, but only when displaying from a chroot into an nested x server
[06:14] <ajmitch> and it confused me then too
[06:14] <Burgundavia> Yagisan, yes. I am trying to keep the number of non-Ubuntu repos among our users down
[06:14] <whiprush> Burgundavia: http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiprush/8008240/
[06:14] <whiprush> behold.
[06:14] <Burgundavia> 1.5 excludes blackdown
[06:14] <whiprush> ajmitch: yeah, it seems to be some rare thing, I find a few mentions on debian lists, but no reply. tsk.
[06:15] <Burgundavia> whiprush, that is brilliant
[06:15] <whiprush> ajmitch: thanks though
[06:15] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: I run one of those non-ubuntu repos. afaik only ibm and sun are 1.5, haven't tested an opensource java though
[06:15] <whiprush> Burgundavia: I showed it to mpt at UDU, I think he nearly had a heart attack
[06:15] <ajmitch> whiprush: awesome gconf dialog
[06:16] <crimsun> holy mother of ...
[06:16] <whiprush> the best part is "all further errors shown only on terminal."
[06:17] <whiprush> like "oh, thanks, how considerate of you ..."
[06:17] <crimsun> for great justice the terminal would be blank
[06:17] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, does your list include https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22291
[06:17] <Ubugtu> Ubuntu bug 22291: "scribus: new changes from Debian require merging" Product: Ubuntu, Component: scribus, Severity: normal, Assigned to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Status: NEW http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22291
[06:20] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: seems kaffe is making some progess wrt azureus http://www.kaffe.org/pipermail/kaffe/2005-March/101885.html
[06:21] <Burgundavia> Yagisan, I am baffled by the free javas. How does kaffe compare to gcj?
[06:23] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: kaffe, gcj, and sablevm all seem to run java apps with various degrees of success. gcj goes to native code iirc, I usually use kaffe
[06:23] <Burgundavia> Yagisan, why do they all exist then?
[06:24] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: GPL, LGPL type reasons - most use gnu classpath so are rather compatible
[06:24] <Burgundavia> Yagisan, what is gnu classpath then?
[06:25] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: like libc but for java
[06:30] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: seems some of them target embedded systems too eg jamvm
[06:30] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: our list includes nothing of main
[06:31] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: and scribus is main
[06:31] <Burgundavia> Yagisan, how does any of this get us a drag and drop replacement for sun's java?
[06:31] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, who would I talk to about scribus so it doesn't just get dropped?
[06:31] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: no.
[06:31] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: none is 1.5 complete
[06:32] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: someone who works on that stuff in main ;)
[06:32] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: I could do it, but I've never used scribus
[06:32] <Burgundavia> Yagisan, what about project harmony?
[06:32] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: for most apps, most are drop-in compatible - not for azureus however
[06:33] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: never heard of it
[06:33] <Burgundavia> Yagisan, apache licensed java, based on gnu classpath
[06:34] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: do we have it packaged ?
[06:35] <Burgundavia> Yagisan, doesn't exist yet
[06:35] <Burgundavia><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:50] <Kyral> goodnight MOTU
[07:01] <LaserJock> so will lpbugs.py not work anymore with the LP status changes?
[07:02] <ajmitch> not without a little hacking
[07:02] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I got through the list, 117 remaining
[07:02] <LaserJock> sweet
[07:02] <ajmitch> 32 of which are mine
[07:02] <LaserJock> and I just saw a sync
[07:02] <ajmitch> so I expect to have it below 90 soon
[07:03] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: It's going really *really* slow on my amd64 box, but kaffe (breezy) seems to be loading azureus
[07:03] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I see no syncs
[07:04] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: dumping a lot of java.lang.NullPointerException at the console though
[07:04] <LaserJock> could you ask elmo to sync aewm?
[07:04] <LaserJock> ajmitch: its on the new list
[07:04] <ajmitch> I sent him an email of my syncs only a couple of hours ago
[07:05] <ajmitch> LaserJock: what do you think of me emailing all merge assignees on the list, warning them they have a week until UVF?
[07:05] <crimsun> LaserJock: I already asked elmo for a bunch of syncs; that was one of them
[07:06] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yes, and make sure that we know that MOTUWannabes need to get their merges reviewed
[07:06] <LaserJock> crimsun: oh, ok
[07:06] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes, that's one reason for cleaning up finished merges
[07:08] <LaserJock> just so I am clear, UVF means no new Debian versions correct? only -ubuntuX versions
[07:09] <ajmitch> no
[07:09] <ajmitch> it means no new upstream versions
[07:09] <ajmitch> where upstream = 1.2.3
[07:09] <ajmitch> the automatic sync is turned off though
[07:09] <LaserJock> hmm,  I thought upstream meant debian
[07:09] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: gcj failed with "GC Warning: Out of Memory!  Returning NIL!"
[07:10] <Burgundavia> Yagisan, fun.  I need to build a dapper vm to see if it changed
[07:11] <Yagisan> LaserJock: a little bit
[07:11] <LaserJock> Yagisan: could you tell me what the version of ewb is from http://www.ascii.co.jp/EWB/
[07:11] <Yagisan> LaserJock: speak a bit more - why ?
[07:12] <LaserJock> the characters don't even show up for me right now so the website is a mess
[07:12] <Yagisan> LaserJock: current version appears to be 3.3
[07:12] <Yagisan> brb
[07:15] <Yagisan> LaserJock: current source links http://www.ascii.co.jp/EWB/archives/ewb-3.3-R8.tar.gz http://www.ascii.co.jp/EWB/archives/ewbpatch-3.3-R9.tar.gz
[07:15] <ajmitch> ok, got a list by assignee
[07:15] <Yagisan> bbl - customer time :)
[07:16] <ajmitch> now I can get emailing ;)
[07:16] <LaserJock> Yagisan: thanks
[07:18] <LaserJock> is it possible to get a list of bugs for a package from LP?
[07:18] <ajmitch> yes
[07:18] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/f-spot/+bugs
[07:18] <ajmitch> for example
[07:19] <ajmitch><EMAIL_ADDRESS>: xmakemol
[07:19] <LaserJock> but can you get a list of bug numbers
[07:19] <ajmitch> you only have 1 open merge against your name
[07:19] <LaserJock> it's not even mine
[07:19] <ajmitch> I thought you had xmakemol?
[07:19] <LaserJock> I messed the name on that one so it assigned it to me
[07:20] <ajmitch> then I'd better reassign it
[07:20] <ajmitch> sigh
[07:20] <ajmitch> the bug renaming makes it impossible to tell
[07:21] <LaserJock> yann is who you want
[07:21] <ajmitch> but I have to get the right bug again
[07:21] <ajmitch> ok, 6535
[07:22] <ajmitch> fixed
[07:22] <LaserJock> k, thanks
[07:22] <LaserJock> sorry about that
[07:27] <ajmitch><EMAIL_ADDRESS>has 37 packages left as assigned merges
[07:27] <ajmitch> wonderful!
[07:28] <ajmitch> there's a few there that are *not* mine
[07:30] <ajmitch> ok, we're down to 111 merges
[07:49] <Mez> kyral: ping
[07:53] <ajmitch> crimsun: you think an email reminder to those with assigned merges is ok?
[07:53] <crimsun> ajmitch: now? certainly.
[07:53] <crimsun> we're what, one week out?
[07:53] <ajmitch> I've just written up a quick script to do so
[07:53] <ajmitch> you've got 31 assigned merges
[07:54] <ajmitch> so between us we've got over half the assigned merges left
[07:54] <crimsun> that's fine, I'm going through mine anyhow
[07:54] <ajmitch> yep
[07:55] <ajmitch> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7057
[07:55] <ajmitch> for the email I'm sending
[07:56] <crimsun> looks good :)
[08:36] <ajmitch> yay, getting feedback on the mail I sent out
[09:09] <StevenK> Anyone feel like doing an upload for me?
[09:10] <ajmitch> for how much?
[09:11] <ajmitch> StevenK: moin upload?
[09:13] <StevenK> ajmitch: Yup.
[09:13] <StevenK> ajmitch: How does my undying love and devotion sound?
[09:13] <ajmitch> coming to LCA? ;)
[09:13] <StevenK> No, actually.
[09:13] <ajmitch> a shame
[09:14] <ajmitch> otherwise I'd accept beer in lieu of love & devotion
[09:14] <StevenK> I want them to pay for me to go to Debconf 7 in Edinburgh.
[09:14] <ajmitch> oh that would be nic
[09:14] <ajmitch> nice
[09:14] <StevenK> And hopefully, I can take my wife.
[09:15] <ajmitch> how scary is this moin upload?
[09:15] <ajmitch> will I be banished from ubuntu for uploading it?
[09:16] <StevenK> I have no idea how scary.
[09:16] <StevenK> I can point you at the source
[09:17] <ajmitch> the source would be a good start
[09:17] <StevenK> http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/moin
[09:20] <ajmitch> fetching
[09:20] <StevenK> I noticed - I was tail -f the apache logs. :-)
[09:21] <ajmitch> :)
[09:23] <ajmitch> StevenK: you include your own cdbs still?
[09:24] <StevenK> What do you mean, my own cdbs?
[09:24] <ajmitch> I see that debian has rc1 anyway
[09:24] <ajmitch> moin-1.5.0/debian/cdbs/1/rules/buildinfo.mk
[09:24] <ajmitch> plus a number of other cdbs files
[09:25] <StevenK> Oh, blah.
[09:25] <StevenK> I suspect they can be binned.
[09:25] <StevenK> I can regenerate the diff.gz if you like.
[09:25] <ajmitch> ok
[09:25] <ajmitch> does debian still carry those in 1.5.0rc1?
[09:27] <StevenK> Yes.
[09:27] <StevenK> It uses them, too.
[09:27] <ajmitch> lovely
[09:27] <StevenK> New d{sc,iff.gz} copied to the webserver.
[09:27] <ajmitch> how far do you wish to stray from debian packaging?
[09:28] <StevenK> In terms of the rules file, I've had to do *evil* things.
[09:28] <ajmitch> oh yay
[09:28] <StevenK> I've come to the conclusion Jonas can't write Makefiles, so I've basically hacked my own up.
[09:29] <ajmitch> heh
[09:29] <StevenK> ajmitch: Did you see my upload of albatross?
[09:29] <ajmitch> it even has compatibility code for backporting to woody
[09:29] <ajmitch> no, I don't think I did
[09:30] <StevenK> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-January/004602.html
[09:30] <StevenK> Read that, and weep.
[09:31] <ajmitch> heh
[09:32] <StevenK> ajmitch: Still looking over my diff?
[09:32] <ajmitch> sigh, yet more mail from .au waiting for me downstairs
[09:33] <StevenK> An entire country is mailing you? :-P
[09:33] <ajmitch> no, just some people in melbourne
[09:35] <ajmitch> StevenK: besides, you're an experienced DD, I shouldn't need to read the diff much :)
[09:35] <StevenK> Heh
[09:38] <ajmitch> StevenK: I see control.in.ubuntu, but where is that used?
[09:40] <StevenK> I read through the debian/rules file for the Debian three times, and I had less idea then when I started as to how control stuff was generated.
[09:40] <ajmitch> that worries me
[09:41] <ajmitch> I even resorted to grep & found nothing
[09:41] <StevenK> ajmitch: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/moin/rules
[09:41] <StevenK> That's the Debian debian/rules.
[09:42] <ajmitch> ah, the auto-update loveliness
[09:42] <StevenK> I think I get it now. You need to call the target ubuntu, and then the update target.
[09:43] <ajmitch> you're right, this is scary
[09:43] <StevenK> Hence why I dropped most of it.
[09:45] <viviersf> elo ajmitch
[09:46] <ajmitch> hi
[09:48] <ajmitch> I'm still alive
[09:48] <StevenK> Barely? :-)
[09:48] <ajmitch> I'm just wondering if you want to have that tiny debian/control file or not
[09:48] <StevenK> It's what's in breezy.
[09:48] <ajmitch> since the control.in.* files have a few more binary packages in them
[09:49] <ajmitch> how will we go when it's time to resync with debian & an upgrade path is needed?
[09:49] <StevenK> Most of the packages will need Conflict and Replace moin
[09:50] <ajmitch> can we beat that into the debian maintainer?
[09:50] <StevenK> I have no idea.
[09:50] <StevenK> I have some other things I'd like to beat him with first.
[09:50] <StevenK> Er, beat into him. *grins shiftly*
[09:51] <ajmitch> :)
[09:55] <ajmitch> mm, food sounds really good actually
[10:03] <dholbach> good morning
[10:03] <ajmitch> morning dholbach :)
[10:03] <dholbach> hello ajmitch
[10:03] <ajmitch> hope you don't mine the merge spam ;)
[10:03] <dholbach> :)
[10:03] <dholbach> it's not exactly "spam"
[10:04] <ajmitch> no, I thought it was needed
[10:04] <ajmitch> I already had one reply from someone giving back their assigned merges
[10:05] <ajmitch> are the merges you're assigned to really yours?
[10:12] <siretart> morning folks!
[10:13] <ajmitch> morning siretart :)
[10:13] <ajmitch> :)
[10:13] <ajmitch> siretart: we're down to ~115 assigned merges now
[10:14] <ajmitch> after going through & closing those bugs that are merged & built on all archs
[10:15] <siretart> ajmitch: did sistpoty state somewhere what stat 0,1 and 2 is?
[10:15] <ajmitch> siretart: in the source
[10:15] <siretart> I'd like to get helix-player removed, we are already at debian level
[10:15] <siretart> ok
[10:15] <ajmitch> 0 = new, 1 = accepted, 2 = done
[10:16] <ajmitch> you received my nagging about merges also? :)
[10:16] <ajmitch> siretart: helix-player only works on i386?
[10:17] <siretart> BUGNEW=0
[10:17] <siretart> BUGACCEPTED=1
[10:17] <siretart> BUGFIXED=2
[10:17] <ajmitch> yep
[10:17] <siretart> ajmitch: yes, it FTBFS on ppc
[10:17] <ajmitch> in the source, as I said ;)
[10:17] <siretart> :)
[10:18] <ajmitch> since closing bugs *sometimes* caused them to not close on the merge page, and they became assigned to me
[10:18] <zakame> hello all :D
[10:19] <ajmitch> hey zakame
[10:19] <zakame> hi ajmitch, just arrived in Manila now :)
[10:20] <ajmitch> cool :)
[10:23] <jsgotangco> zakame, you're way too eary for Ubuntu Asia Tour
[10:23] <jsgotangco> :D
[10:24] <zakame> jsgotangco, perhaps, but not for Ubuntu UPOU Tour ;)
[10:48] <cain_> oh goodie
[10:48] <cain_> xorg no work on our new hp proliant
[10:48] <cain_> :(
[11:00] <zakame> hey mez_ :)
[11:00] <mez_> hi zakame
[11:18] <ajmitch> evening womble
[11:22] <womble> hi ajmitch
[11:24] <StevenK> ajmitch: Any news/flames?
[11:24] <ajmitch> on moin?
[11:24] <StevenK> Yah.
[11:25] <ajmitch> no, I've been too busy flaming/getting flamed by an upstream with their sheer idiocy :)
[11:25] <StevenK> Ah.  Sounds positively ghastly.
[11:26] <ajmitch> horribly broken in debian & ubuntu at the moment
[11:26] <ajmitch> but I need to get a working snapshot or release in order to close those RC bugs
[11:26] <ajmitch> it is, trust me :)
[11:27] <ajmitch> one of the new upstream guys is trying to convince me to ship a copy of gtk#, because novell is evil
[11:27] <ajmitch> never mind that novell has copyright for both mono & gtk#
[11:27] <ajmitch> anyway

[11:27] <ajmitch> moin is ugly & nasty
[11:28] <ajmitch> and I really don't like it
[11:28] <ajmitch> therefore I'll probable upload it ASAP to get it off my drive
[11:28] <StevenK> Hah
[11:28] <ajmitch> sounds like a reasonable deal?
[11:30] <Mez> hmm
[11:30] <ajmitch> hello Mez
[11:30] <Mez> ajmitch, are you pretty savvy on the whole - DFSG stuff?
[11:30] <StevenK> ajmitch: Works for me.
[11:31] <ajmitch> Mez: I can roughly argue my way out of a paper bag, why?
[11:31] <ajmitch> if not we have StevenK & womble to help out
[11:31] <Mez> ajmitch - say i'm working with a company - but they want me to sign a copyright transfer for any code they include in the main source
[11:32] <Mez> does that copyright transfer also mean that 1) the copyright of the packaging gets transferred to them and 2) that it isnt DFSG compatible (debian-specific stuff)
[11:32] <ajmitch> why would it not be DFSG compatible?
[11:32] <ajmitch> the copyright holder determines the licensing
[11:32] <Mez> licencing and copyright is differnt
[11:32] <Mez> lol
[11:32] <Mez> nvm
[11:33] <ajmitch> well it doesn't matter who holds the copyright
[11:33] <ajmitch> MS could have it, for all it matters
[11:34] <Mez> ajmitch - I'm a lil confused about it all though - I think I really need to find out whether if i transfer it over to them - whether the copyright for the package (as a whole not the bits i wrote) transfer over to them
[11:35] <Mez> because if as a whole it transfers to them - then noone else can work on the package and then let me be able to work on it again ...
[11:35] <ajmitch> that depends on what you sign
[11:35] <Mez> without getting that person to sign the copyright over
[11:35] <Mez> lol
[11:35] <ajmitch> why?
[11:36] <Mez> because then I wouldnt "own" the copyright of the whole package
[11:36] <ajmitch> I fail to see how that would stop someone contributing
[11:36] <Mez> so therefore - by me then modifying it - it would make it so that the package isnt copyrighted by them
[11:37] <Mez> lol
[11:37] <Mez> it's confusing
[11:37] <Mez> I know what I mean in my head
[11:37] <Mez> ajmitch: basically
[11:37] <spacey_ki> is it GPL?
[11:37] <Mez> will this: http://www.ifolder.com/files/1/1a/IFolder_Copyright_Assignment_Agreement_20060106.pdf cause any problems to letting it get in debian archives
[11:37] <Mez> yes
[11:37] <spacey_ki> then it doesn't matter right
[11:37] <ajmitch> if it's GPL, why would it matter?
[11:38] <spacey_ki> only if they have the copyright, they can also use it differently
[11:38] <spacey_ki> with another license
[11:38] <spacey_ki> the same code
[11:38] <ajmitch> that's like saying that anyone who packages a work that is (C) FSF must sign over to the FSF as well
[11:39] <Mez> ajmitch: not really - this is me signing a specific agreement for my patches to go into ifolder
[11:39] <Mez> ] but by signing that - all my work on ifolder (in any way) gets the copyright assigned to novell
[11:39] <ajmitch> Mez: just like most contributors to GNU projects do
[11:40] <ajmitch> I assumed that you meant it was some company hiring you to work on some non-free software
[11:40] <Mez> ajmitch: nope... i wish
[11:40] <StevenK> steven@broken:~% sudo du -sh /var/cache/pbuilder
[11:40] <StevenK> 3.7G    /var/cache/pbuilder
[11:40] <ajmitch> StevenK: small
[11:40] <StevenK> Hrm. I suspect I may need to clean up.
[11:40] <Mez> ajmitch: nvm - I just read the following
[11:40] <ajmitch> probably stray build dirs
[11:41] <StevenK> Only 9.
[11:41] <Mez> "Novell grants back to you a non-exclusive - royalty-free, and right to use, modify, and distribute the assigned contributions as you wish
[11:41] <ajmitch> Mez: stop worrying
[11:42] <StevenK> One of which is currently chroot()'d into.
[11:42] <Mez> ajmitch :D nvm - I'm just being an idiot
[11:42] <ajmitch> it's a fairly standard copyright assignment for a free software project
[11:42] <ajmitch> yes
[11:44] <ajmitch> 4645 N   Jan 13 Steve Kowalik   (  52) Accepted moin 1.5.0-0ubuntu1 (source)
[11:44] <StevenK> Whee
[11:44] <StevenK> Thanks!
[11:44] <ajmitch> np
[11:55] <Yagisan> re
[11:55] <ajmitch> hi
[11:55] <Yagisan> evening ajmitch
[11:55] <ajmitch> how's it going?
[11:56] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I've had the fun of a user bashing his head against ubuntu's plone
[11:56] <Yagisan> ajmitch: no matter how hard I try, I just can get plone + linguaplone to work out of the box with the .debs
[11:56] <ajmitch> really?
[11:57] <ajmitch> I can get plone going in a couple of minutes
[11:57] <ajmitch> and linguaplone is meant to just drop in with plone 2.1
[11:57] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I know the debs are installed, but I'll be buggered if I can find the translate into button
[11:57] <ajmitch> ah, is linguaplone installed properly then?
[11:57] <Yagisan> ajmitch: it doesn't show up on add/remove products
[11:57] <ajmitch> right
[11:58] <ajmitch> it probably isn't in the zope instance
[11:59] <Yagisan> ajmitch: ?? then where did it go ?
[11:59] <Yagisan> ajmitch: upstreams docs don't seem to cover .deb installation
[11:59] <ajmitch> you install the package, but zope instances need to have the products
[11:59] <ajmitch> depends how you setup the instance, also
[12:00] <Yagisan> ajmitch: out of the box sudo aptitude install plone plone-site
[12:00] <ajmitch> right
[12:00] <ajmitch> and then you installed linguaplone?
[12:01] <Yagisan> ajmitch: it's a recommend, so yes
[12:01] <ajmitch> this could be better documented, really
[12:01] <ajmitch> Addon-Mode: manual
[12:01] <ajmitch> right
[12:01] <Yagisan> ajmitch: #plone told me to not use the debs, then ignored me :(
[12:02] <ajmitch> they can be like that
[12:02] <ajmitch> zope 2.8?
[12:02] <Yagisan> ajmitch: yes. test server was a breezy box
[12:02] <ajmitch> dzhandle -z 2.8 add-product plone-site linguaplone
[12:03] <ajmitch> and restart your zope instance
[12:05] <Yagisan> ajmitch: :( unknown product /me feels real dumb right now
[12:05] <ajmitch> uh
[12:06] <ajmitch> try : dzhandle -z 2.8 add-product plone-site zope-linguaplone
[12:06] <ajmitch> or LinguaPlone
[12:06] <ajmitch> I can't recall which field it uses
[12:06] <ajmitch> probably LinguaPlone :)
[12:09] <Yagisan> ajmitch: it was LinguaPlone. Lots of terminal output, now to restart
[12:09] <Gloubiboulga> hello
[12:10] <ajmitch> Yagisan: great
[12:10] <ajmitch> Yagisan: zope does have some confusing concepts :)
[12:10] <ajmitch> since you don't just install it & run
[12:11] <Yagisan> ajmitch: restarted now. please let it be working now
[12:11] <ajmitch> :)
[12:12] <ajmitch> you will probably need to go into the plone site's add/remove products
[12:13] <Yagisan> ajmitch: :( still not there
[12:13] <ajmitch> oh?
[12:13] <ajmitch> that's interesting
[12:13] <ajmitch> the zope instance was restarted?
[12:14] <Yagisan> ajmitch: that sucks - it actually looked perfect for my needs. Yes, I restarted it
[12:14] <ajmitch> it's usually so easy to get going..
[12:15] <ajmitch> Yagisan: I don't think it'll be anything major :)
[12:16] <Yagisan> ajmitch: no, it's the feeling one gets when the manual and the software don't match up. This is outside my area of expertise though, so it's frustrating
[12:16] <ajmitch> sigh, of course my zope instance is set to automatic
[12:16] <ajmitch> so linguaplone is linked in as soon as I installed it
[12:16] <ajmitch> very useful for me, sure
[12:17] <Yagisan> ajmitch: breezy, dapper ?
[12:17] <ajmitch> dapper
[12:17] <ajmitch> I don't have a breezy box around
[12:17] <ajmitch> but you can setup a zope instance to be automatic or manual
[12:18] <ajmitch> lotw                 2.8    addon-mode=all addon-technique=tree-linked userfile=inituser
[12:18] <ajmitch> plone-site           2.8    addon-mode=manual addon-technique=tree-linked userfile=inituser
[12:18] <ajmitch> it was automatically linked into lotw
[12:19] <Yagisan> ajmitch: how about plone-site ?
[12:20] <Yagisan> ajmitch: thanks for helping me
[12:20] <ajmitch> ok, it's linked in properly
[12:20] <ajmitch> for plone-site
[12:20] <ajmitch> ls -la /var/lib/zope2.8/instance/plone-site/Products/LinguaPlone
[12:21] <ajmitch> you should see a lot of symlinks
[12:21] <siretart> ok, wifi-radar injected to collab-maint.
[12:22] <siretart> http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/collab-maint/ext-maint/wifi-radar/trunk/ - now lets see who is willing to upload it to debian :)
[12:23] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I don't have that directory
[12:23] <ajmitch> Yagisan: dzhandle should have added that in
[12:23] <ajmitch> can you see what the text was when you ran dzhandle earlier? it was completely silent for me
[12:24] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I'll be back in just a bit - I've got to read the baby - I'll grab the output when I get back
[12:24] <Yagisan> s/read/feed
[12:25] <ajmitch> alright :)
[12:29] <ajmitch> hm, this isn't being helpful to me
[12:34] <ajmitch> Yagisan: it's installed fairly cleanly now
[12:34] <ajmitch> with minimal fuss
[12:35] <mario> hello
[12:35] <mario> why are postgresql packages so broken? :/
[12:37] <tseng> they work fine for me. if you have a specific reproducable issue you could please file a bug
[12:37] <raphink> siretart: could you upload a new version of knmap for me?
[12:38] <siretart> raphink: where is the package?
[12:38] <raphink> siretart: shall I put it on REVU?
[12:38] <dholbach> mario: you should ask in #ubuntu-devel - this is the channel for universe/multiverse maintenance
[12:38] <mario> k
[12:39] <siretart> raphink: if the debdiff is small enough, I'd prefer that
[12:39] <raphink> sure :)
[12:39] <raphink> uploading :)
[12:39] <siretart> uploading where?
[12:40] <raphink> REVU
[12:40] <siretart> I'd prefer the debdiff itself, I meant
[12:40] <raphink> I'll give you the rul
[12:40] <raphink> url
[12:41] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1486 siretart
[12:41] <raphink> :)
[12:42] <raphink> siretart: and I'll archive it immediatly so it doesn't stay in the queue :)
[12:42] <siretart> oh, its a new upstream. I see
[12:43] <raphink> yep :)
[12:44] <raphink> siretart: the changes between beta1 and stable are minor
[12:44] <siretart> raphink: they are non existent
[12:44] <raphink> I used the occasion to bump automake1.6 to automake1.9 and checked it builds fine though
[12:45] <raphink> yes there is one line of code changed siretart ;)
[12:45] <siretart> raphink: he only changed the year of copyright
[12:45] <raphink> lol
[12:45] <raphink> and copyrights updated
[12:45] <siretart> and the version number
[12:45] <raphink> no, there is 1 line changed
[12:45] <raphink> ;)
[12:46] <raphink> siretart:
[12:46] <raphink> -{      QString version = QString( "Version 2.0 Beta-1, %1 %2" ).arg( __TIME__ ).arg( __DATE__ );
[12:46] <raphink> +{      QString version = QString( "Version 2.0, %1 %2" ).arg( __TIME__ ).arg( __DATE__ );
[12:46] <raphink> hmm actually
[12:46] <siretart> 12:45:18 < siretart> and the version number
[12:46] <raphink> well it's the still the version
[12:46] <raphink> lol
[12:47] <raphink> yes
[12:47] <raphink> siretart: well that proves beta1 was stable ;)
[12:47] <raphink> yet people will rather install 2.0 than 1.99+2.0beta1
[12:47] <raphink> and 1.99+2.0beta1 is FTBFS since it uses automake1.6 which was removed from dapper ;)
[12:48] <siretart> thats a valid reason :)
[12:48] <raphink> hehe
[12:48] <raphink> :)
[12:50] <Tonio_> siretart: hi ! can you look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=776
[12:51] <Tonio_> you uploaded it but I cannot find it in the archives.........
[12:51] <rbelem> good morning people
[12:53] <siretart> Tonio_: sorry, now I'm a bit too busy ;)
[12:54] <Tonio_> no pb siretart :) it was just to know if I have to see that with you or elmo in fact ;)
[12:54] <Tonio_> don't mind, that's not very imporant anyway ;)
[01:02] <raphink> siretart: it seems you uploaded 1.99+2.0beta1 again instead of 2.0
[01:03] <raphink> according to what I got from Katie
[01:06] <Yagisan> re
[01:06] <ajmitch> wb Yagisan
[01:06] <Yagisan> ajmitch: it worked for you ?
[01:06] <ajmitch> yes
[01:06] <ajmitch> I've got a translation screen open
[01:06] <Yagisan> hmm
[01:06] <ajmitch> except my latin is a bit poor
[01:06] <raphink> siretart: I can ask someone else if you're too busy
[01:06] <ajmitch> so I can't translate very well
[01:07] <ajmitch> Yagisan: it turned out that I just had to use dzhandle, and plone's add/remove products
[01:07] <ajmitch> since it did link in properly
[01:08] <ajmitch> can you repeat that dzhandle -z 2.8 add-product plone-site LinguaPlone
[01:08] <ajmitch> and tell me if it gives any output?
[01:08] <Yagisan> ajmitch: ok
[01:09] <ajmitch> also the output of dzhandle list-instances
[01:13] <Yagisan> ajmitch: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/addproduct.png
[01:13] <ajmitch> nice, I get a png
[01:14] <ajmitch> very verbose
[01:14] <ajmitch> have you tried this with sudo?
[01:15] <ajmitch> since one thing I forgot to mention was that I'm doing all this as root on my box
[01:17] <Yagisan> ajmitch: yep, sudo produced that output
[01:18] <ajmitch>  ls -la /var/lib/zope2.8/instance/plone-site/Products/
[01:18] <ajmitch> pastebin it if you can
[01:19] <Yagisan> ajmitch: might be hard to pastebin, no vmtools in that server
[01:19] <ajmitch> ah, you're doing all this in vmware?
[01:20] <Yagisan> ajmitch: yes, before deploying on a real box
[01:20] <ajmitch> right
[01:21] <ajmitch> makes life difficult for me ;)
[01:21] <ajmitch> do you have LinguaPlone in there or not?
[01:21] <ajmitch> your screenshot didn't help much because it was so limited
[01:21] <Yagisan> ajmitch: no, not there at all
[01:22] <ajmitch> any error was probably off the top of the screen
[01:23] <Yagisan> ajmitch: just a sec then
[01:24] <ajmitch> it'll probably end up being a zope-common bug that's fixed in dapper or something :)
[01:25] <Yagisan> ajmitch: the output is all the same as the screenshot, but just a different package name each time
[01:26] <ajmitch> and is LinguaPlone ever mentioned?
[01:26] <ajmitch> or anything about addon?
[01:27] <Kyral> Morning
[01:27] <Yagisan> ajmitch: never
[01:27] <Kyral> Mez: very lagged Pong ;P
[01:27] <ajmitch> since  dzhandle list-products plone-site
[01:28] <ajmitch> is meant to list LinguaPlone
[01:28] <ajmitch> but I guess it won't
[01:28] <ajmitch> do the workaround hack
[01:28] <ajmitch> cd /var/lib/zope2.8/instance/plone-site/Products/ ; ln -s /usr/share/zope/Products/LinguaPlone/
[01:29] <ajmitch> see if that works when you restart that instance
[01:29] <Yagisan> ajmitch: your right it doesn't list it - tryink the hack now
[01:30] <Hobbsee> filing a dapper bug - are we using bugzilla or launchpad now?
[01:31] <ajmitch> depends on what way the wind blows today
[01:31] <ajmitch> probably launchpad by now
[01:31] <ajmitch> except they're most likely mid-transition
[01:31] <Hobbsee> right
[01:31] <Hobbsee> hehe - i thought they were changing!  so i dont seem like a total idiot!
[01:32] <ajmitch> nah
[01:33] <ajmitch> Yagisan: I should get a breezy box to test this on
[01:33] <Yagisan> ajmitch: vm restarting now - you just need a decent vm system
[01:34] <ajmitch> nah
[01:34] <ajmitch> I use chroots
[01:34] <ajmitch> I might play with xen if there are kernels around
[01:35] <Yagisan> ajmitch: xen isn't a vm system ?
[01:35] <ajmitch> xen still requires some guest modifications
[01:37] <Yagisan> ajmitch: the hack works - I have it on the install menu
[01:37] <ajmitch> good
[01:38] <ajmitch> probably the bug fixed in zope-common 0.5.16
[01:39] <ajmitch> Yagisan: disappointing that it didn't work out of the box though
[01:40] <Yagisan> ajmitch: :( I thought I fucked up rather bad.
[01:40] <ajmitch> nah
[01:40] <ajmitch> it'd be hard to screw up something with so few commands
[01:42] <Yagisan> ajmitch: rm * is a small command too
[01:42] <ajmitch> sure :)
[01:43] <ajmitch> oh good, I remembered my alioth password :)
[01:44] <Yagisan> ajmitch: thank you. /me starts creating a dapper vm to check it is fixed
[01:45] <segfault> \sh_away: why #6213 was forced to php5 only?
[01:47] <Gloubiboulga> someone could review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1469 ?
[01:48] <Gloubiboulga> it's a new upstream version of eagle-usb
[01:49] <ajmitch> have you asked the debian maintainer for a new version?
[01:49] <Gloubiboulga> ajmitch, no
[01:50] <ajmitch> because if the debian maintainer updates, as I expect he will, we'd have to merge the changes in
[01:51] <Gloubiboulga> ok, I'll mail and ask him if he plans to package the new release
[01:52] <ajmitch> or you could put a wishlist bug in the debian BTS, and point to your package
[01:53] <Gloubiboulga> ajmitch, ok
[01:54] <ajmitch> also the Recommends lines in debian/control don't match, since debian & ubuntu have moved to linux-image-* instead of kernel-image-*
[02:03] <Gloubiboulga> ajmitch, wishlist bugs have to be reported using the wnpp pseudo package?
[02:03] <ajmitch> no
[02:03] <ajmitch> they are filed against the package in question (eagle-usb)
[02:04] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[02:04] <ajmitch> Severity: wishlist
[02:05] <Yagisan> ajmitch: in the breezy vm, I just actually selected install of linguaplone form the menu, and got this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7079 :(
[02:06] <ajmitch> yeah, makes sense
[02:06] <ajmitch> because I forgot to tell you to symlink the other zope products it needs
[02:07] <Yagisan> ajmitch: oh, then no need to tell you there is no translate button either ;)
[02:07] <ajmitch> you need to symlink PloneLanguageTool & PlacelessTranslationService as well
[02:08] <ajmitch> and Archetypes:1.3/ in the unlikely case it's not there
[02:08] <ajmitch> 1 or more of those may already exist, of course :)
[02:10] <Yagisan> ajmitch: done, just needed PloneLanguageTool
[02:10] <ajmitch> right
[02:10] <Yagisan> ajmitch: restarting, and will ping you if it's still broken
[02:10] <ajmitch> it should work :)
[02:14] <Yagisan> ajmitch: thank you it is working now. Hope it works in dapper too
[02:14] <ajmitch> it works here ;)
[02:26] <raphink> Gloubiboulga: /!\ eagle-usb est dans main
[02:26] <ajmitch> raphink: ah you're right
[02:26] <raphink> ;)
[02:28] <ajmitch> night all
[02:28] <raphink> night ajmitch
[02:28] <Yagisan> Goodnight and thanks ajmitch
[02:30] <Gloubiboulga> arf
[02:30] <raphink> Gloubiboulga: tu peux demander  ce que ce soit mis  jour
[02:30] <Gloubiboulga> I forgot to check too
[02:31] <raphink> Gloubiboulga: j'archive sur REVU, a n'a rien  y faire :(
[02:31] <Gloubiboulga> raphink, ok
[02:31] <raphink> essaie de pinger elmo savoir ce qu'il en pense
[02:31] <raphink> ok?
[02:31] <Gloubiboulga> yep
[02:57] <LaserJock> morning everybody
[03:01] <raphink> hi LaserJock <>< :)
[03:01] <LaserJock> how's it going raphink ?
[03:01] <raphink> fine
[03:02] <raphink> getting prepared to leave :)
[03:03] <LaserJock> I'm just stuggleing to get awake, early morning docteam meeting
[03:03] <raphink> oo ;)
[03:09] <azeem> hi
[03:09] <azeem> Kyral: where you looking for me?
[03:10] <LaserJock> azeem: he was doing a RFS but I see on debian-mentors that somebody might have already picked it up
[03:10] <azeem> cool
[03:11] <LaserJock> azeem: I suggested he contact you but I guess debian-mentors was easier for him ;-)
[03:11] <LaserJock> azeem: EasyChem is the app
[03:12] <azeem> yeah, just read it in the web archives
[03:12] <azeem> wow, that guy has a list of suggestions :)
[03:13] <LaserJock> yeah, kyral is going to have fun ;-)
[03:13] <azeem> I don't think it is bad to patch the Makefile to properly install stuff, as long as he sends it upstream
[03:14] <azeem> the prefix thing might indeed be more elegantly solved with a flag in debian/rules, if that is honored
[03:26] <LaserJock> dholbach: btw, did you see the number of merge bugs left on the revu list?
[03:27] <dholbach> LaserJock: No, not yet - I just saw two merges assigned to me. :-)
[03:27] <LaserJock> ajmitch and I went through the list last night and closed all the ones that were done so we nocked off ~100 :-)
[03:28] <phanatic> hi people
[03:29] <dholbach> WOW
[03:30] <LaserJock> also when ajmitch's zope syncs go through another 30 some will be done
[03:50] <xerxas> Hi
[03:50] <LaserJock> hi xerxas
[03:50] <xerxas> what's the way of asking for root rights in hoary in gnome ?
[03:50] <xerxas> gksudo ?
[03:50] <xerxas> (I want to do a bug report, because of a friend using ubuntu, but I have no ubuntu right now )
[03:51] <xerxas> The bug is quite simple: gksudo / gksu / gnome-sudo  doesn't warn the user that he has caps lock on
[03:52] <Kyral> azeem: ping
[03:52] <azeem> heya
[03:52] <Kyral> azeem LJ suggested I email my RFS for EasyChem to you before sending it to Debian-Mentors..but I was bored last night and sent the RFS anyway ;P
[03:53] <azeem> yeah, I saw
[03:53] <LaserJock> xerxas: I would assume gksudo would be correct but I don't know for sure
[03:53] <LaserJock> Kyral: did you see the reply?
[03:54] <Kyral> yah a couple of them
[03:54] <Kyral> I'm running through my mail list now
[03:54] <xerxas> LaserJock: seems to me to
[03:55] <xerxas> LaserJock: btw , gksu , have the same problem probably
[03:55] <xerxas> and gnome-sudo also
[03:55] <Kyral> now I need to find a way to automatically strip HTML from mails in Mutt
[03:57] <LaserJock> xerxas: I think you want to file the bug against gksu
[03:58] <Kyral> It looks like I should refine my package
[03:58] <Kyral> I was thinking about rebuilding it with CDBS anyway
[03:59] <LaserJock> yeah, CDBS will make all your problems disapper ;p
[03:59] <xerxas> LaserJock: sure
[03:59] <xerxas> $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/gksudo
[03:59] <xerxas> gksu: /usr/bin/gksudo
[03:59] <Kyral> Is that sarcasm?
[03:59] <LaserJock> Kyral: yes it is
[03:59] <LaserJock> hi tritium
[03:59] <tritium> hi LaserJock
[04:00] <\sh> hehe
[04:00] <\sh> moins
[04:00] <LaserJock> hi
[04:00] <Kyral> I'm not good at detecting sarcasm ;P
[04:02] <LaserJock> tritium: are you subscribed to the ubuntu-science or debian-science MLs?
[04:02] <\sh> fixing boson-base
[04:02] <tritium> LaserJock: I doubt it.  I'll subscribe
[04:04] <LaserJock> tritium: I'm using ubuntu-science for the MOTUScience ML you can subscribe at http://tauware.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-science
[04:05] <tritium> thanks, LaserJock
[04:06] <LaserJock> has anybody hacked lpbugs.py to work with the new Malone status naming scheme?
[04:07] <Kyral> Actually does ReportBug now fully use Malone?
[04:08] <LaserJock> hmm, not sure
[04:10] <\sh> Kyral: I don't think so
[04:10] <\sh> Kyral: for reportbug to work with malone, we need to do more
[04:10] <Kyral> hmm
[04:10] <Kyral> ah
[04:10] <\sh> i'm working on a {g,k}lpreportbugs because of this :)
[04:12] <LaserJock> how do you get reportbug to spit out the bts's that it knows about?
[04:12] <Kyral> Okay I most definately love Emacs Apt-Utils
[04:15] <\sh> reportbug --bts help?
[04:15] <allee> Hi, is someone working on the FTBFS due to libXft.la is gone?
[04:16] <\sh> allee: in which package?
[04:16] <allee> quite a few: grep -l libXft.la /usr/lib/*.la
[04:17] <\sh> shermann@amd64-home:/usr/lib$ grep -l "libXft.la" *.la
[04:17] <\sh> libgwenviewcore.la
[04:17] <\sh> libkdeinit_gwenview.la
[04:17] <\sh> libkmediapart.la
[04:17] <allee> ah and some more here: grep -l libXft.la /usr/lib/*/*.la
[04:17] <\sh> allee: it's all kde
[04:18] <allee> \sh eh, no libkexif libkipi digikam?  shame on you :)
[04:18] <allee> \sh can be.  no gnome here.
[04:18] <\sh> to be honest, i don't have those apps installed or those libs somehow
[04:18] <allee> \sh np ;)
[04:19] <\sh> since when is it gone?
[04:19] <allee> \sh don't know got the first report ~ a week ago
[04:19] <\sh> most of the kde stuff is rebuild with the latest uploads of riddell...
[04:20] <\sh> hmmm..dist-upgrading
[04:20] <\sh> 155mb to fetch....
[04:21] <allee> \sh yes, but at least gwenview, digikam (0.8.1 soon), libkipi, libkexif are not in KDE 3.5
[04:21] <\sh> sure..but most matches I had for kcm modules
[04:21] <allee> + kipi-plugins I assume
[04:21] <\sh> so I have to check if they're gone just now after dist-upgrade
[04:21] <\sh> and then we need to rebuild the stuff which is missing :)
[04:24] <allee> \sh fwiw: in alioth pkg-kde there are libkipi, libkexif and kipi-plugins that are relibtoolized. Depends on ~ 6 instead ~ 27 pkgs
[04:27] <\sh> well..lets seee
[04:27] <\sh> oh boson-base fixed and uploaded...will build now as well on amd64 :)
[04:28] <sivang> hi all
[04:28] <sivang> are we maloned yet? :)
[04:28] <\sh> still ongoing :)
[04:28] <Kyral> dunno
[04:28] <sivang> \sh: ah still ? :-)
[04:29] <\sh> sure official ending time i think was 18utc?
[04:29] <sivang> ah right, something like that
[04:31] <\sh> but some bugs are already imported :) on of my xterm bugs e.g.
[04:34] <sivang> \sh: ah, I wonder if my bugs are also imported already :)
[04:34] <sivang> that is, bugs I filed
[04:35] <sivang> bugzilla is frozen already?
[04:37] <\sh> should be
[04:38] <sivang> I see they're fighting with having the -bugs mls accept the bugmails from malone
[04:55] <LaserJock> I wish there were more (any?) Debian/Ubuntu meetings in the US, I would really like to go to some
[04:58] <spacey_ki> LaserJock, organize one with your LoCo team?
[04:58] <LaserJock> what LoCo team :(
[05:00] <LaserJock> my problem is that all the meetings I would like to go to are in Europe, which is great for the Europeans but I don't know if I would ever be able to make one.
[05:01] <LaserJock> I'm not much of a traveler (never really been outside of the US) so maybe it is my own fault
[05:02] <spacey_ki> There is no LoCo team in US?
[05:02] <LaserJock> well, a couple are pending but they are far from me
[05:03] <LaserJock> are LoCo teams supposed to be able to meet in person? or are they just online?
[05:07] <spacey_ki> We'll not sure how USA LoCo
[05:07] <spacey_ki> work
[05:08] <spacey_ki> but in Dutch Loco team, we have ubuntu-nl channel, and meetings once in a while
[05:08] <spacey_ki> depends on interest
[05:10] <LaserJock> I would really like to make an Extremadura meeting but they seem to be European only (for the most part at least)
[05:10] <LaserJock> maybe if the US was as generous at hosting as Extremadura we would get something like that ;-)
[05:12] <spacey_ki> whats extremadura?
[05:13] <spacey_ki> LaserJock, you just live on the wrong continent;)
[05:13] <LaserJock> apparently
[05:13] <LaserJock> spacey_ki: http://wiki.debian.org/WorkSessionsExtremadura
[05:14] <spacey_ki> and usa is not so friendly to foreign visitors :p
[05:16] <LaserJock> well, it's easier if your american ;-)
[05:16] <spacey_ki> LaserJock, yeah, but good reason not to have meetings in usa ;p
[05:16] <\sh> no it's easier to have an immigration officer at the airport who was a GI in germany :)
[05:17] <LaserJock> seems to me there are enough Americans that we would have our own meetings but you Europeans seem to be a little more friendly that way
[05:18] <\sh> are we?
[05:18] <LaserJock> seems like it to me
[05:19] <LaserJock> must be the drinking problem you guys have ;-)
[05:19] <\sh> lol
[05:19] <\sh> yeah..european people are drinking and smoking ... and we have the pope :)
[05:20] <LaserJock> hmm, that must be it, no pope
[05:20] <\sh> well...amerika has michael jackson, mr. bush, and michael moore .. what do you need a pope for ;)
[05:22] <\sh> oops..that was the cia...
[05:26] <Gloubiboulga> :)
[05:28] <\sh> leaving for a bit...bbl
[05:29] <raphink> any MOTU here?
[05:30] <raphink> Riddell: could you upload a package for me please?
[05:30] <Riddell> raphink: if it's sane
[05:30] <raphink> sure
[05:30] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1486
[05:30] <raphink> it's a new upstream of knmap
[05:31] <raphink> there hmm no changes in it lol
[05:31] <raphink> except it's called 2.0 instead of 2.0beta1
[05:31] <raphink> _but_
[05:31] <raphink> it gave me the opportunity to review the package
[05:31] <raphink> and since automake1.6 was removed from dapper, 2.0beta1 FTBFS
[05:31] <raphink> so I switch to automake1.9
[05:32] <raphink> so I'd say while this package is supposed to bring a new upstream of knmap, it mostly makes the package buildable again
[05:32] <raphink> is that fine for you Riddell ? ;)
[05:34] <Riddell> raphink: groovy, let me look
[05:34] <raphink> k ;)
[05:36] <raphink> MrRio: just out of curiosity : where is your vhost from?
[05:38] <MrRio> raphink, hey, i donate money to freenode
[05:38] <raphink> oh ic :)
[05:38] <raphink> nice
[05:40] <Kyral> hmm
[05:40] <Kyral> have I gone too far?
[05:40] <Kyral> Using Emacs for IRC?
[05:41] <raphink> lol
[05:41] <MrRio> Kyral, lol, yup
[05:41] <raphink> something I hope I never have to do ;)
[05:41] <Kyral> Well it would be more productive with Screen
[05:42] <psusi> roflmfao
[05:42] <Riddell> raphink: looks good, I'll upload
[05:42] <psusi> who needs ubuntu?  I use emacs for my OS ;)
[05:42] <Kyral> hahahah
[05:42] <raphink> thanks Riddell
[05:43] <raphink> psusi: you should use multideskos ;)
[05:45] <hub> raphink: are you jayce?
[05:46] <raphink> hub: do you think jayce could ever become an ubuntu member ? ;)
[05:46] <raphink> he'd have to study quite a bit ;)
[05:46] <hub> raphink: he wrote an OS, so why not?
[05:46] <raphink> je serais meme pas capable de faire des phrases comme les siennes
[05:46] <raphink> ;)
[05:46] <raphink> wrote an OS lol
[05:46] <raphink> hub: tu l'as essay multideskos?
[05:46] <hub> raphink: c'est pourtant facile:-)
[05:46] <raphink> ;)
[05:46] <hub> raphink: non, j'avais pas de PC a l'epoque
[05:46] <raphink> vas y montre mon hub :)
[05:47] <psusi> anyone know of a good burn in stress test for ubuntu?  under windows I'd  use prime95
[05:47] <raphink> lol
[05:47] <raphink> hub: Tonio_ et moi on a russi  trouver une vieille version de multideskos qui trainait sur un site et  l'installer avec wine
[05:47] <raphink> lol
[05:47] <hub> bah. I don't even have wine atm
[05:47] <raphink> ok
[05:48] <raphink> argh
[05:48] <raphink> je te souhaite du courage :)
[05:48] <raphink> quelle marque?
[05:48] <hub> I'm fighting with IBM Lenovo
[05:48] <raphink> ok
[05:48] <hub> raphink: given that I'm not in France, I don;t have the DGCCRF
[05:48] <hub> and Competition Bureau Canada seems to be a useless tax money waste
[05:48] <raphink> ah, not in France ... that's even harder
[05:49] <Tonio_> there is an OS in dev whose purposeis to be NT compatible.........
[05:49] <hub> raphink: BBB in the US makes it efficient
[05:49] <Tonio_> don't remember the name, but that doesn't go quick
[05:49] <raphink> Tonio_: pff multideskos is already NT compatible
[05:49] <Tonio_> raphink: that's true ;)
[05:49] <psusi> ReactOS?  I worked on that for a while
[05:49] <Tonio_> psusi: that's ist :)
[05:49] <Tonio_> reactos
[05:49] <hub> AbiWord runs on it
[05:49] <raphink> ah ou
[05:49] <raphink> :)
[05:50] <hub> we asked for the patch and they said
[05:50] <raphink> reactos
[05:50] <hub> "we use your Windows build"
[05:50] <Tonio_> last time I had a look was at least one and a half years ago
[05:50] <hub> ....
[05:50] <raphink> interesting project
[05:50] <raphink> very ugly but interesting
[05:50] <hub> not opensource AFAIK
[05:50] <Tonio_> lol
[05:50] <Tonio_> I prefere haikuos :)
[05:50] <raphink> yep I know ;)
[05:50] <Tonio_> that's the project I love tosee growing
[05:50] <raphink> hehe
[05:50] <raphink> and multideskos too ;)
[05:50] <Tonio_> i learned informatics with beos
[05:50] <raphink> the project we like to see dying
[05:51] <Tonio_> so seeing it redevlopped entirely opensource is, well, more than a pleasure !
[05:51] <Tonio_> raphink: lol
[05:51] <hub> Tonio_: BeOS you mean?
[05:51] <hub> Tonio_: I still have a BeBox :-)
[05:52] <Tonio_> hub: absolutly
[05:52] <Tonio_> hub: heard about haikuos ?
[05:52] <Tonio_> very nice project
[05:52] <Tonio_> raphink: blended uploaded, if you can have a look;)
[05:52] <raphink> Tonio_: well they're all wrong, cause they compile. A true OS should be crossplatfrom like JavaScript, that you can run in DOS with Windows.
[05:53] <raphink> ;)
[05:53] <Tonio_> it takes only 3 minute to revu this
[05:53] <raphink> hehe
[05:53] <Tonio_> raphink:  lol
[05:53] <raphink> Tonio_: well I have to prepare my luggage and go teach a math course in 5 mins so later
[05:53] <hub> Tonio_: heard of it but I'm no longer interested
[05:53] <Tonio_> can you imagine this guy has 3 fortunes dedicated to him....
[05:53] <raphink> Tonio_: lol
[05:54] <raphink> you don't know anything Tonio_
[05:54] <raphink> if you managed the memory well, you could just switch from an OS to another with Alt+Tab
[05:54] <hub> can someone review/ comment http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1472
[05:54] <raphink> you all go wrong :p
[05:54] <hub> it should be good now
[05:56] <raphink> ok guys I'm leaving
[05:56] <raphink> ++
[05:56] <raphink> hub: you're applying for MOTU on next tuesday?
[05:57] <hub> raphink: yep
[05:57] <raphink> good :)
[05:57] <hub> so I can do it tuesday ? :-)
[05:57] <raphink> ok I'm gone :)
[05:57] <raphink> bye
[05:57] <raphink> haha hub  ;)
[05:57] <raphink> hopefuly on tuesday I can avocate and upload packages :)
[05:58] <raphink> and lucas and you too ;)
[05:58] <Tonio_> raphink: you wanted a package : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1491
[05:58] <Tonio_> let go packaging mice themes now !!!!!!!!!
[05:58] <raphink> lol
[06:46] <LaserJock> hi Gloubiboulga
[06:47] <Gloubiboulga> hello LaserJock :)
[06:48] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: do you think you would be interested in maintaning texmaker in Debian?
[06:49] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, I'm thinking about it...
[06:49] <pef> hello
[06:49] <Gloubiboulga> salut pef
[06:49] <pef> Gloubiboulga: salut :)
[06:50] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, are you a DD who wants to sponsor me ? :)
[06:51] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: no, I 'm the MOTUSciene leader who wants to get tex packages in Debian :-)
[06:51] <Gloubiboulga> ok :)
[06:51] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: not even anywhere close to a DD but I just got a package of my own uploaded to Debian so I thought I would ask
[06:52] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: but I see that there are already 2 ITPs filed for texmaker
[06:52] <LaserJock> the latest ITP references your package
[06:53] <Gloubiboulga> could you give me an url?
[06:53] <LaserJock> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=345806
[06:53] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 345806: "texmaker -- Free LaTeX editor" Package: ITP, Severity: wishlist, Maintainer<EMAIL_ADDRESS>http://bugs.debian.org/345806
[06:54] <Gloubiboulga> I'm not really familiar with debian, but I could be a good way to start
[06:54] <Gloubiboulga> it could be*
[06:55] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: you might want to email the bug reporter and ask him if you could help or something
[06:56] <Gloubiboulga> yep
[06:57] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, is there any wiki page where I could find informations about the 'ubuntu to debian' stuff?
[06:59] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't really know of any but if you have simple questions I might be able to help
[06:59] <lucas> Gloubiboulga: read ContributingToDebian
[06:59] <Gloubiboulga> Just reading the MOTUScience wiki page at the moment
[07:00] <Gloubiboulga> thanks lucas
[07:00] <LaserJock> lucas: oh yeah, thanks
[07:01] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: do you have questions on the process of getting it into Debian or on how to adjust your package for Debian?
[07:04] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, the most difficult part seems to find a sponsor
[07:04] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: it only took me 2 days to get my package uploaded
[07:04] <Gloubiboulga> (is that a real english sentence?)
[07:05] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: I think if the package is well done and wanted it shouldn't be a problem
[07:05] <Gloubiboulga> cool
[07:06] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: but you probably should talk to the people who have already filed an ITP since that means they were intentending to work on it
[07:07] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, yep, I will send emails to them
[07:17] <LaserJock> anybody from the MOTURuby team around?
[07:21] <lucas> yes
[07:21] <lucas> I am
[07:21] <LaserJock> oh, hi lucas
[07:22] <stratus> Gloubiboulga, problems to find a debian sponsor? try sponsors.debian.net
[07:22] <LaserJock> I was wondering if the MOTURuby team would be interested in ruby-gnuplot
[07:22] <lucas> url ?
[07:23] <Gloubiboulga> thanks stratus
[07:23] <lucas> LaserJock: it's on REVU ?
[07:23] <LaserJock> lucas: sorry, it is in Ubuntu but not in Debian, the Ubuntu url is at http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/source/ruby-gnuplot
[07:23] <LaserJock> but it is quite outdated
[07:24] <LaserJock> and I was wondering if you wanted to get it into Debian
[07:24] <stratus> Gloubiboulga, np and if you want web space to host the source packages you can check mentors.debian.net
[07:24] <lucas> it looks broken (unmet dep) and totally outdated
[07:24] <lucas> so no, it should be removed
[07:24] <LaserJock> lucas: no, it's just that nobody has been maintaning it
[07:25] <stratus> is there a project to run piuparts in each package sitting at universe?
[07:25] <Gloubiboulga> stratus, thanks a lot, I'm just discovering the debian process
[07:25] <LaserJock> lucas: upstream is active
[07:25] <Gloubiboulga> REVU is *great* ;)
[07:25] <stratus> Gloubiboulga, you're welcome.
[07:25] <lucas> it doesn't even recursively depend on libruby1.8, since libnarray-ruby doesn't exist in ubuntu
[07:25] <lucas> LaserJock: I'm personally not interested. Somebody from the MOTUScience is ?
[07:26] <lucas> stratus: just asked somebody by mail about piuparts. I dunno
[07:26] <LaserJock> lucas: well, I would probably be the one to do it but I don't know ruby so I though that I should try you first
[07:26] <lucas> I raised the issue during yesterday's meeting but there was no clear answer
[07:26] <stratus> oh, i see
[07:26] <stratus> i can run it and put out the logs
[07:27] <stratus> what's the wiki url pointing to others with these kind of stuff?
[07:27] <lucas> stratus: mail ubuntu-devel@ about this
[07:27] <LaserJock> what would the point of running piuparts on universe be? just curious
[07:27] <lucas> stratus: no need to do it if somebody else is doing this already
[07:28] <lucas> LaserJock: detect lots of broken packages
[07:28] <lucas> like ruby-gnuplot ;)
[07:28] <stratus> lucas, sure that's why i asked here first
[07:28] <lucas> LaserJock: what's upstream URL ?
[07:28] <LaserJock> well, I think ajmitch does that anyway
[07:28] <LaserJock> but maybe I'm wrong
[07:28] <lucas> LaserJock: he doesn't
[07:28] <lucas> LaserJock: I found http://rgnuplot.sourceforge.net/, but 2003 doesn't look like active :-)
[07:29] <LaserJock> lucas: yeah, I think they turned into http://rubyforge.org/projects/rgplot/
[07:29] <lucas> found that too ( http://rgplot.rubyforge.org ) but the changelog link is broken
[07:29] <lucas> ok, it seems active
[07:29] <lucas> do you have a user requesting this ?
[07:30] <LaserJock> so what will puiparts give us that unmetdeps and FTBFS don't , or is it just an easier way of getting that info?
[07:30] <LaserJock> lucas: no, I'm just trying to clean up science packages
[07:30] <lucas> it also checks whether packages install/uninstall correctly
[07:31] <lucas> LaserJock: ok, I think you can safely request the removal of ruby-gnuplot
[07:31] <LaserJock> seems like somebody would like to have ruby bindings, there are python and perl bindings
[07:31] <lucas> (it isn't installable anyway)
[07:31] <LaserJock> lucas: I don't think it will get removed, I don't think that is the way it works in Universe
[07:31] <lucas> can you file an RFP and mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>about this ?
[07:31] <LaserJock> I suppose
[07:32] <LaserJock> I just wondered if there was any interest on the Ruby side, it is more of a science thing but I thought I would ask anyway
[07:33] <lucas> yeah I know universe is about getting as many packages as possible, no matter whether they work or are security risks
[07:33] <lucas> wait, I'm reviewing the upstream source
[07:33] <LaserJock> but if it is 4 years old and upstream is still active it seems like we could do something about it
[07:34] <ogra_ibook> lucas, stop being ironic ;)
[07:35] <lucas> I'm not ironic, this is true
[07:35] <LaserJock> I am still unclear about how apt-get.org stuff gets in, is there a wiki or spec on that?
[07:35] <lucas> dholbach reviews the packages and ask elmo to do the import
[07:35] <LaserJock> only dholbach?
[07:36] <ogra_ibook> yup
[07:36] <LaserJock> ok, well at least I know who to grumble at ;-)
[07:36] <ogra_ibook> lucas, we wouldnt put this amount of manhours into it if we wouldnt care about the quality
[07:37] <ogra_ibook> elmo reviews all licenses though
[07:37] <lucas> I don't critizise the general quality of MOTU work
[07:37] <lucas> I only disagree about the policy regarding packages which nobody know of
[07:37] <ogra_ibook> "no matter whether they work or are security risks" isnt a critic comment ?
[07:38] <dholbach> lucas: we had a *HOT* discussion about this already
[07:38] <lucas> it is, about packages like ruby-gnuplot which should have been removed a long time ago
[07:38] <lucas> but are still in ubuntu
[07:38] <dholbach> then take care of it, tell elmo to remove it, if you are sure about it
[07:38] <lucas> (ok, ruby-gnuplot is not really a problem, it just is uninstallable)
[07:39] <ogra_ibook> lucas, note that both, dholbach and me opposed the idea totally in the beginning
[07:39] <lucas> and you are now thinking it was a good idea ?
[07:39] <ogra_ibook> yes
[07:39] <dholbach> believe me: i take this seriously and just to put this into perspective: i imported 40 packages last time
[07:39] <dholbach> i gave you my view on this already
[07:39] <ogra_ibook> the target is to get *everything* into universe to gain usability
[07:40] <dholbach> not "everything"
[07:40] <ogra_ibook> but not loose quality
[07:40] <lucas> I'm curious about ruby-gnuplot
[07:40] <LaserJock> lucas: well, for MOTUScience it isn't to bad because I only came up with 5 packages out of 462 that were a problem
[07:40] <dholbach> i see this as an effort to reach out to developers who put work into packages
[07:40] <ogra_ibook> dholbach, everything like in 40 packages that match our quality expectations ;)
[07:41] <dholbach> It was on Mark's request and I personally think it's a good idea.
[07:41] <ogra_ibook> me too ...
[07:41] <ogra_ibook> but out of other reasons :)
[07:41] <dholbach> A much better one than leave users with an apt/sources.list that is as long as my syslog. :-)
[07:41] <lucas> do you know where ruby-gnuplot come from ? I'm just curious
[07:41] <ogra_ibook> dholbach, exactly  :)
[07:41] <LaserJock> lucas: apt-get.org
[07:42] <lucas> LaserJock: how did you determine this ?
[07:42] <dholbach> maybe it was removed from debian and not removed from ubuntu yet
[07:42] <ogra_ibook> lucas, have you looked at apt-get.org ?
[07:42] <LaserJock> lucas: I searched for it there
[07:42] <lucas> ah ok :-)
[07:42] <LaserJock> lucas: I used your scripts to find science packages in Ubuntu but not in Debian
[07:42] <lucas> I was wondering wether there was a automatic way of finding out :)
[07:43] <dholbach><EMAIL_ADDRESS>- I wrote him
[07:43] <LaserJock> lucas: then I went and tried to track down the 8 that weren't in debian
[07:43] <LaserJock> lucas: and now I'm trying to figure out which ones should be updated or removed, etc.
[07:43] <lucas> LaserJock: and 5 of them were broken ?
[07:43] <lucas> or the broken 5 weren't in this case ?
[07:44] <LaserJock> lucas: no, 5 were from apt-get.org
[07:44] <lucas> ah ok
[07:44] <LaserJock> lucas: probably most were broken
[07:44] <dholbach> most what?
[07:44] <lucas> topic change: any MOTU has something against notifying DDs that UVF is on the 19th, and that they should really hurry if they want the latest version of your package in ?
[07:44] <LaserJock> dholbach: most of the 5 packages from apt-get.org that are science related
[07:45] <LaserJock> but I already got 1 fixed
[07:45] <dholbach> cool
[07:45] <LaserJock> and I don't think ruby-gnuplot should be that hard either
[07:45] <lucas> we haven't received any bug report about it.
[07:45] <lucas> users don't care about it
[07:46] <LaserJock> there is only 1 package that I don't know about and that is mascyma, I can't find upstream anymore
[07:46] <lucas> I'll see what I can do inside the debian ruby team, but there's really no point in including it in dapper
[07:46] <dholbach> why not?
[07:46] <LaserJock> why not
[07:46] <LaserJock> just because it doesn't have a bug doesn't mean it isn't used
[07:47] <lucas> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:47] <lucas>   ruby-gnuplot: Depends: libnarray-ruby but it is not installable
[07:47] <lucas> E: Broken packages
[07:47] <LaserJock> your talking about a pretty small amount of people using it and if they don't know any better the won't file a bug
[07:47] <lucas> if people are using it, I'm curious about how they installed it :-)
[07:47] <LaserJock> maybe the are using the src
[07:48] <lucas> LaserJock: ruby-gnuplot's version is 200101xx.
[07:48] <lucas> 5 years ago !
[07:48] <lucas> probably ruby 1.6 or 1.4 code
[07:48] <LaserJock> right, but they maybe using upstreams 2005 version
[07:48] <lucas> that's why I'll see what I can do inside debian's ruby team
[07:48] <dholbach> thanks
[07:48] <LaserJock> honestly, if I am not asking you to do it I just wondered if there is any interest
[07:48] <lucas> if I have time next week, I'll package it
[07:49] <lucas> (before UVF)
[07:49] <lucas> but the current version should be removed from dapper
[07:49] <LaserJock> s/if//
[07:49] <lucas> good reason: version is 20010125-1
[07:49] <lucas> if we upload 2.2-1 to debian, it won't get synced
[07:49] <LaserJock> lucas: I agree since it should be renamed anyway
[07:50] <LaserJock> it should be rgplot
[07:50] <lucas> probably libgplot-ruby, following debian's ruby policy
[07:50] <lucas> anyway
[07:50] <LaserJock> but if you guys don't want to do it that's fine
[07:53] <Q-FUNK> hi! I'd like to know, which lines do I need to put in pbuilderrc to add security and updates?
[07:55] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[07:55] <dholbach> should be pretty straight-forward
[08:00] <Q-FUNK> dholbach: is not, actually.
[08:01] <Q-FUNK> dholbach: adding "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main universe" to OTHERMIRROR reports an error.
[08:01] <LaserJock> I think you can add more with a | perhaps
[08:02] <LaserJock> I did it once but I can't remember exactly
[08:04] <dholbach> ah yeah, right
[08:08] <sistpoty> hi folks
[08:09] <LaserJock> hi sistpoty
[08:09] <sistpoty> hey LaserJock
[08:10] <LaserJock> sistpoty: well, you can blame me for any merge list breakage, I had a little booboo last night
[08:10] <sistpoty> hm? is it gone? *G*
[08:10] <LaserJock> I accidentally renamed 2-3 bugs
[08:10] <LaserJock> I think it is all taken care of though
[08:10] <sistpoty> you renamed them? or reassigned them?
[08:11] <LaserJock> renamed
[08:11] <sistpoty> did you do some sql-hacking for that?
[08:11] <sistpoty> or did you rename bugs in lp?
[08:11] <LaserJock> well, not so much renamed but I accidentally put a different name in LP when I was trying to search
[08:11] <LaserJock> for the source package
[08:12] <LaserJock> so then it reassigned the bug to me
[08:12] <LaserJock> when I renamed it back
[08:12] <sistpoty> ah, i c
[08:12] <sistpoty> well, then you should care for that merges :P
[08:12] <LaserJock> but ajmitch and I took care of it
[08:13] <sistpoty> yeah, I got the mail(s)... that rocks!
[08:14] <LaserJock> so I actually had the problem with LP not revu.tauware.de I guess, so that means you can't blame me. sweet :-)
[08:15] <sistpoty> hehe, but you can reassign them with update_status (-a iirc)
[08:16] <LaserJock> sistpoty: but I did have to move a few to "fixed" with update_status.py so the account did come in handy
[08:16] <sistpoty> :)
[08:16] <LaserJock> and my MOTUScience lists are rocking too
[08:17] <LaserJock> I think the DDs in debian-science are reading them now too
[08:17] <sistpoty> nice
[08:18] <LaserJock> so now I should probably try to work on the Ubuntu Packaging Guide so we will have something before string freeze ( I think that is the docteam version of UVF or FF)
[08:29] <stratus> ubuntu 1
[08:30] <lucas> LaserJock: which version of multidistrotools are you using ?
[08:30] <lucas> the one from bzr ?
[08:31] <lucas> I just did a big commit, you might want to be careful when updating
[08:32] <LaserJock> bzr but I haven't updated for a while
[08:33] <lucas> ok
[08:33] <LaserJock> thanks for the heads up though
[08:33] <lucas> where do the "Not in Ubuntu" packages come from ?
[08:33] <lucas> Debian, really ?
[08:33] <LaserJock> I don't know, I was going to ask that
[08:34] <LaserJock> I wonder if name changes would do that
[08:34] <lucas> they really are in debian
[08:34] <lucas> strange, I don't see them on my listing
[08:34] <lucas> s
[08:35] <LaserJock> are you exluding them?
[08:36] <lucas> yes I am
[08:36] <LaserJock> on purpose?
[08:36] <lucas> should be ok now
[08:36] <lucas> no, wrong copy/paste :-)
[08:39] <Hieronymus> Where can I find information about "install -m" in debian/rules?
[08:39] <LaserJock> man install?
[08:39] <LaserJock> lucas: what is the URL for your list?
[08:39] <lucas> http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/all-packages.html#notinB
[08:40] <lucas> (but that's for all of debian & ubuntu, so it includes kernel-*
[08:40] <LaserJock> 178 is quite a few
[08:41] <LaserJock> but yeah, lots of kernel related stuff
[08:42] <lucas> they should be hand-examined
[08:42] <LaserJock> so how does Ubuntu know which ones to include, I thought that new Debian packages were automatically included? Maybe a blacklist or something?
[08:46] <lucas> probably
[08:46] <lucas> I'm leaving for the week-end soon. Can you investigate this and keep me updated ? not having octave 2.9 is quite a shame :/
[08:47] <LaserJock> I thought there might have been some discussion about it but yes it is a shame
[08:53] <LaserJock> dholbach: do you know why some packages aren't in Ubuntu that are in Debian?
[08:54] <dholbach> LaserJock: haven't synced them yet? we blacklisted them?
[08:54] <dholbach> LaserJock: like what?
[08:54] <LaserJock> dholbach: how can I find out
[08:54] <LaserJock> dholbach: octave2.9
[08:55] <dholbach> ask in #ubuntu-devel
[08:55] <dholbach> elmo will mostly know
[08:55] <dholbach> or somebody else
[09:01] <Hieronymus> LaserJock: but can you give me an example package where this is used?
[09:02] <LaserJock> Hieronymus: where what is used?
[09:02] <LaserJock> oh, install -m
[09:02] <Hieronymus> LaserJock: yes, but what should the destination be?
[09:04] <LaserJock> I have : install -m 0644 plotdrop.png $(PREFIX)/share/pixmaps in a Makefile
[09:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 644: "sharp libgecko-cil (Ubuntu) - Dependencies problem in libgecko-cil" Fix req. for: gecko-sharp libgecko-cil (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Fix Released http://launchpad.net/bugs/644
[09:04] <LaserJock> lol, I wasn't talking to you Ubugtu
[09:05] <LaserJock> Hieronymus: but for debian/rules you probably want something like: http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/all-packages.html#notinB
[09:05] <LaserJock> opps, wrong paste
[09:05] <LaserJock> install -m 0644 debian/plotdrop.xpm $(CURDIR)/debian/plotdrop/usr/share/pixmaps/
[09:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 644: "sharp libgecko-cil (Ubuntu) - Dependencies problem in libgecko-cil" Fix req. for: gecko-sharp libgecko-cil (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Fix Released http://launchpad.net/bugs/644
[09:07] <Hieronymus> LaserJock: thanks. That seems to be the samen amsn uses - but without the $(CURDIR)
[09:22] <dholbach> have a nice evening
[09:23] <LaserJock> cya dholbach
[09:52] <crimsun> guh, it's difficult to use cvs once I've used git
[09:55] <Kyral> I don't suppose anyone knows how to get ERC working nicely?
[09:55] <LaserJock> install irssi ;-)
[09:56] <Kyral> yah yah
[09:56] <Kyral> I'm lazy so I don't wanna check Irssi lol
[09:57] <LaserJock> and using emacs is lazy?
[10:00] <Kyral> bah
[10:07] <ajmitch> morning all
[10:08] <crimsun> moin
[10:10] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch crimsun
[10:10] <crimsun> hi LaserJock
[10:10] <ajmitch> not below 100 merges yet? :)
[10:11] <LaserJock> as soon as your zope syncs go through it well be ;-)
[10:13] <ajmitch> sure
[10:13] <ajmitch> but the open bugs is not going down fast enough
[10:14] <LaserJock> yeah, less than a week now
[10:15] <LaserJock> ajmitch: did you send out emails?
[10:16] <ajmitch> yes
[10:16] <ajmitch> a nice personalised email to everyone with outstanding merges ;)
[10:16] <LaserJock> oh how thoughtful of you
[10:16] <ajmitch> listing what packages they had outstanding
[10:17] <ajmitch> asking them to hand them back if they didn't have time, or if they were wrongly assigned
[10:17] <ajmitch> I got 2 handed back already
[10:17] <ajmitch> also asking them to bug motus for reviews
[10:18] <LaserJock> how would they be handed back? manually changing them?
[10:18] <ajmitch>  http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-January/000051.html
[10:18] <ajmitch> oops
[10:18] <ajmitch> sorry
[10:18] <ajmitch> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7057
[10:19] <ajmitch> I asked them to send an email tol admin@tiber
[10:20] <LaserJock> so who's admin@tiber?
[10:20] <ajmitch> it's an alias of a few of us (siretart, sistpoty, \sh, myself)
[10:21] <ajmitch> a convenient address for people to contact to get it changed
[10:21] <LaserJock> oh, ok, so more than one. I was just wondering if was going to only one person who might be very busy ;-)
[10:21] <ajmitch> no, I'd just get the email & reset the status to unaccepted :)
[10:21] <ajmitch> doesn't take much work
[10:22] <chillywilly> hi ajmitch
[10:22] <ajmitch> hello
[10:23] <chillywilly> how goes it?
[10:23] <ajmitch> alright
[10:23] <chillywilly> cool
[10:23] <chillywilly> did you graduate yet? ;)
[10:24] <ajmitch> graduate? what's that?
[10:24] <chillywilly> hehe
[10:24] <chillywilly> :)
[10:24] <chillywilly> I love wiki
[10:24] <ajmitch> I've been too busy with this ubuntu crack
[10:25] <ogra_> finished degrees are overrated ...
[10:25] <ogra_> totally
[10:26] <chillywilly> you're not just saying that because you haven't finished? ;)
[10:26] <LaserJock> lol, I'm sooo close, but this Ubuntu stuff is making it hard to want to work
[10:27] <ogra_ibook> chillywilly, i have never started ;)
[10:27] <chillywilly> bah ;)
[10:28] <ajmitch> morning ogra :)
[10:28] <ogra> heh
[10:28] <ajmitch> filing
[10:28] <ajmitch> but alas, it seems that I might be going away & offline for the weekend
[10:28] <crimsun> A degree can never replace experience.
[10:29] <ajmitch> hopefully I'll be back before UVF :)
[10:29] <crimsun> ajmitch: have a good weekend, then :)
[10:29] <ogra> chillywilly, i havent even learned a job ...
[10:29] <ajmitch> ogra: you just blindly hit the keyboard?
[10:29] <crimsun> he's got good aim
[10:30] <ogra> chillywilly, the fun is, that none of my firends who studied actually works in the job he/she learned
[10:30] <chillywilly> not surprising
[10:30] <ogra> since i know its not different with my older sisters friends, the logical conclusion is that it must be overrated :)
[10:30] <ajmitch> yep
[10:30] <chillywilly> man this day is dragging on
[10:31] <chillywilly> I think ajmitch is on the 6 year plan ;)
[10:31] <LaserJock> well, darn it this PhD better be worth something
[10:32] <ajmitch> 6 year? is that all?
[10:32] <ogra> and i obviously had quite good jobs the last 18 years, so it cant be such a wrong assumption ;)
[10:32] <ajmitch> ogra: except for your current job
[10:32] <ajmitch> where they work you like a slave
[10:32] <ogra> thats my own choice ;)
[10:32] <ajmitch> hehe
[10:33] <ogra> nobody with a  whip in my living room ;)
[10:33] <chillywilly> *thwack*
[10:34] <chillywilly> ajmitch: you're hired ;)
[10:34] <ogra> ajmitch, we still search for an experienced QA guy :)
[10:34] <ajmitch> ogra: the problem is 'experience'
[10:34] <ajmitch> I have experience introducing bugs
[10:34] <ogra> thats a start :)
[10:35] <chillywilly> it's funny when you're just sitting in the office and hear somehow burst out laughing real loud down the hall....
[10:35] <chillywilly> TGIF
[10:37] <ajmitch> sigh
[10:37] <ajmitch> 'not a branch', bzr says
[10:52] <ajmitch> hey sistpoty
[10:53] <ajmitch> ran into some issues with the merge pages yesterday
[10:53] <LaserJock> so if the link to ~scott is 404 what does that mean?
[10:53] <sistpoty> ajmitch: email-sending rocks!
[10:53] <ajmitch> manually closing in malone, sometimes didn't show as closed in the merge page
[10:53] <ajmitch> sistpoty: heh
[10:53] <crimsun> LaserJock: one or more of the ubuntu/debian base versions couldn't be located at the time MoM ran
[10:53] <sistpoty> ajmitch: did you tag them as fix released or fix commited?
[10:53] <ajmitch> sistpoty: fix released
[10:53] <sistpoty> hm...
[10:53] <ajmitch> and they got reassigned to me
[10:54] <ajmitch> so it saw the email
[10:54] <sistpoty> yep... I'll need to look over the mail-parser again
[10:54] <ajmitch> I reassigned them all to their rightful owner before sending out the email
[10:54] <ajmitch> which was a quick hack of a script
[10:55] <ajmitch> but it seems to have gotten some response, which is great
[10:55] <ajmitch> thanks to LaserJock we got the list of assigned merges down close to 100
[10:55] <sistpoty> :)
[10:57] <LaserJock> ok, so here is a weird one: pessulus is on the "new" list but it has a newer version than sid
[10:57] <ajmitch> looks like elmo is back & getting into some syncs
[10:58] <ajmitch> newer than experimental, too
[10:59] <LaserJock> so should I get rid of it?
[10:59] <ajmitch> yes
[10:59] <LaserJock> hmm, is there a way to do it other than sending it to "fixed"?
[11:00] <sistpoty> LaserJock: I can delete it directly in the database
[11:00] <LaserJock> oh, cool
[11:00] <ajmitch> sistpoty has super-admin powers
[11:00] <Burgwork> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamWiFi <-- should that be renamed MOTUWifi or MOTUNetworking?
[11:00] <sistpoty> no, only some sql knowledge ;)
[11:01] <ajmitch> Burgwork: it doesn't have anything to do with MOTUs though
[11:01] <ajmitch> it's a doc page, not a packaging page
[11:01] <sistpoty> LaserJock: pessulus is gone
[11:01] <LaserJock> muahhaha
[11:01] <Burgwork> ajmitch, true
[11:05] <sistpoty> ajmitch: found the problem: Fix Committed => Fix Released... "Fix Committed" is more than one word
[11:05] <ajmitch> hehe
[11:05] <ajmitch> nice
[11:06] <ajmitch> thanks for fixing
[11:06] <sistpoty> np
[11:13] <sistpoty> I guess I'll do another update of the merge-db
[11:14] <ajmitch> :)
[11:18] <ajmitch> 11:17 < elmo> "allegro4.2", "kde-icons-nuvola", "kde-style-lipstik", "octave2.9",
[11:18] <ajmitch> 11:17 < elmo> ^-- MOTUs, that's the list of "BROKEN" packages in josie atm

[11:18] <ajmitch> ;)
[11:18] <ajmitch> 11:17 < ajmitch> ok, thanks
[11:18] <ajmitch> 11:17 < elmo> if someone would like to examine them, see if they should be synced or merged, that'd be nice, kthx
[11:19] <sistpoty> what's josie?
[11:19] <ajmitch> not sure
[11:19] <Amaranth> all the buildd tools have women's names :P
[11:19] <ajmitch> probably a sync script or something :)
[11:19] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:21] <ajmitch> they might be currently blacklisted
[11:21] <LaserJock> sweet, I asked about octave1.9
[11:21] <LaserJock> 2.9 rather
[11:21] <ajmitch> as these are packages in debian but not in ubuntu
[11:21] <LaserJock> yes
[11:21] <LaserJock> well, at least some of them
[11:22] <ajmitch> octave2.9 & allegro4.2 are
[11:23] <LaserJock> well, http://revu.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/all-packages.html has the complete list (178 packages)
[11:23] <LaserJock> of not in Ubuntu but in Debian
[11:25] <ajmitch> so all 4 of the packages listed are as I said
[11:29] <sistpoty> hm... kde-icons-nuvola has different sourcepackages in debian and ubuntu... and it's newer in ubuntu
[11:29] <ajmitch> blame Riddell
[11:30] <Riddell> hmm?
[11:30] <sistpoty> I doubt it's your fault, Riddell ;)
[11:30] <ajmitch> it's kde-* :)
[11:30] <ajmitch> yeah, amu did the ubuntu revision
[11:31] <ajmitch> not sure where he got the original package from
[11:31] <sistpoty> these packages seem to be packaged differently
[11:31] <sistpoty> (debian and ubuntu one)
[11:31] <sistpoty> what should we do with it?
[11:32] <ajmitch> the ubuntu one is probably packaged from some random hacker, or upstream
[11:32] <sistpoty> should I rename the (ubuntu) package?
[11:33] <ajmitch> even a rename wouldn't solve upgrade issues
[11:34] <sistpoty> I'll ask elmo about it
[11:47] <LaserJock> darn, the "new" list got bigger
[11:54] <LaserJock> Riddell said to leave kdeaccessibility
[11:54] <LaserJock> could we remove it from the "new" list for now?
[11:55] <Riddell> new list?
[11:56] <LaserJock> the revu.tauware.de merge list
[11:56] <ajmitch> the list of merges that noone is working on
[11:56] <ajmitch> for universe
[11:56] <Riddell> where's that?
[11:56] <LaserJock> there are a few more k* packages listed there, I wonder if they will be similar
[11:56] <ajmitch> http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new
[11:58] <LaserJock> Riddell: would kdeaccessibility be the only one that would come in with a new KDE release?
[11:59] <LaserJock> I would think the others would be released independently but I don't know
[11:59] <chillywilly> lalala
[12:00] <Riddell> LaserJock: they'd all come in
[12:00] <LaserJock> Riddell: oh, ok. I would've thought they were seperate. Is that because kdelibs will be different?
[12:01] <Riddell> well the whole of KDE is released at the same time
[12:02] <Riddell> so I'll update them all at that time
[12:02] <LaserJock> ok, sweet
[12:02] <ajmitch> see you all later
[12:02] <LaserJock> cya ajmitch