[00:08] <snap-l> greg-g: At least it isn't an infographic.
[00:47] <snap-l> I always wonder if I'll come up with enough tracks for a show
[00:48] <snap-l> and invariably I find more than I can fit in one show
[01:21] <Chat6500> Ayeeeeeeeeeee
[03:45] <snap-l> Dammit, Blackhawks have the cup
[03:45] <snap-l> nixternal will be insufferable for a year now. :)
[12:19] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:19] <rick_h>  just morning
[12:20] <brousch> rick_h: If it makes you feel better, I was woken up at 5:45 by dogs afraid of the thunder
[12:21] <rick_h> sucky
[12:22] <brousch> We have 2 dogs. One sleeps in a crate and the other sleeps next to it. When thunder starts, the non-crate dog hides in the hallway, leaving the crate dog lonely. She starts yipping and whining until I let her out and sleep downstairs
[12:23] <snap-l> rick_h: I see you got hit by the TWiT smoke detector. ;)
[12:23] <rick_h> dude! I pulled chairs across the house checking all of my detectors!
[12:24] <snap-l> Hahahahhaha. :)
[12:24] <snap-l> Yea, they mentioned it about 20 minutes in
[12:25] <rick_h> of course I'm pulling my tablet along with me and keep listening to the podcast as I chase it down
[12:25] <rick_h> thinking that I can listen as I work...
[12:25] <rick_h> I'm standing up on a chair checking one for the 3rd time when they mention it
[12:29] <brousch> I thought you guys didn't listen to twit
[12:29] <rick_h> I do once in a while. I'm between audio books atm
[12:29] <rick_h> and figured I'd see what the snowden commentary was
[12:30] <snap-l> I listen from time to time whenever I'm doing dishes
[12:30] <snap-l> There's few podcasts that are "OMG, must listen"
[12:30] <snap-l> http://www.kenandrobintalkaboutstuff.com/ is one of them
[12:30] <snap-l> mostly because it's got a severe history bent.
[12:30] <rick_h> yea, it's really my only podcast other than PTI these days. I just do more books than podcasts any more. Doing 2-4 books a month instead
[12:31] <snap-l> PTI == ?
[12:31] <rick_h> pardon the interruption (a sportsball show)
[12:31] <snap-l> Ah, ok
[12:31] <rick_h> espn show I can't watch since I don't have cable so I podcast it
[12:31] <snap-l> I listen to security now on occasion
[12:32] <snap-l> and TWiG from time to time
[12:32] <rick_h> I can't listen to that. Gibson just seems to go on rambling and I can't get into it at all
[12:32] <rick_h> ugh
[12:32] <snap-l> Meh, he makes great background noise.
[12:32] <rick_h> TWiG needs to be blown up and restarted
[12:32] <brousch> No Radio Free Python?
[12:32] <snap-l> Yeah, I don't find myself finishing too many episodes of TWiG
[12:33] <snap-l> Mostly because the latter half of the show is pretty much fodder for the first part of the next show
[12:34] <brousch> For non-geek, I listen to Reasonable Doubts
[12:35] <snap-l> brousch: I'm 1:00 into the latest episode
[12:35] <snap-l> and I want to quit it now
[12:35] <brousch> It's entertaining
[12:36] <snap-l> I'm sure he got clearance for all of the clips on the show. ;)
[12:36] <brousch> Hm, clips?
[12:36] <snap-l> The Monty Python clips
[12:37] <brousch> OH, Radio Free Python
[12:37] <snap-l> Yeah
[12:37] <brousch> He is kind of pompous, but knows Python deeply
[12:38] <snap-l> I find most tech podcasts are a bit wanting if there's not two people on the show
[12:39] <snap-l> and sometimes panel shows can be too much
[12:39] <brousch> He usually has interviews
[12:41] <snap-l> There's only one amateur tech podcast that I listen to all the way through, and that's lococast.net. ;)
[12:42] <snap-l> Sometimes I listen to it several times just to make sure I got everything
[12:46] <brousch> If only they would release more often
[12:46] <brousch> I assume they are working on an 8 hour long mega-show
[12:50] <brousch> New RSS Reader http://reader.aol.com/
[12:50] <snap-l> Oh hell no
[12:50] <brousch> :D
[12:54] <snap-l> brousch: http://spawnfromdeceit1.bandcamp.com/
[12:54] <snap-l> Right up your alley.
[12:54] <brousch> Duck grind?
[12:54] <snap-l> No
[12:55] <brousch> That's all i listen to now
[12:55] <brousch> Duck Grind and Ass Blasters
[12:56] <snap-l> And they let you have children
[13:00] <brousch> Indeed
[13:00] <brousch> As many as I want!
[13:16] <brousch> snap-l: I am enjoying Spawn of Deceit
[13:16] <snap-l> brousch: I thought you might.
[13:24] <brousch> With this standing desk the whole office can see me headbanging
[13:27] <snap-l> hah. :)
[13:39] <brousch> snap-l: I think I like Spawn of Deceit's older album even more
[13:43] <snap-l> brousch: Ah, I'll have to check that one out
[13:44] <snap-l> I got into checking out a band's recommendations, and fortunately they had a lot of CC-music
[13:44] <snap-l> Which is why there's a lot of punk and hardcore in this latest episode
[13:49] <jrwren_> why do people keep dogs in the house when they are so much trouble. I'll never understand it.
[13:50] <rick_h> because good dogs aren't so much trouble :)
[13:50] <jrwren_> about the second night some dog yaps and wakes me up. I'd get rid of it.
[13:51] <jrwren_> By get rid of it, I mean it would no longer be welcome in my house. It can sleep outdoors.
[13:51] <jrwren_> and if I hear barking, it dies.
[13:51] <jrwren_> unless it is barking at a person. intruder detection is nice.
[13:52] <snap-l> I think jrwren_ is a cat person
[13:52] <jrwren_> the funny thing is, i prefer dogs to cats.  w...t...f
[16:35] <rick_h> weren't the closing up the B&N stores and were going to split the nook as the only 'good' part of their business?
[16:55] <snap-l> Well, I think part of it was the nook app store sucked balls
[16:56] <snap-l> So the new tablets couldn't compete with the newer Google offerings
[16:56] <snap-l> which is why they added Google Play to 'em
[16:56] <snap-l> Then they dropped the price by a LOT
[16:58] <greg-g> some days I wish I smoked so I could go out for a cigarette break and walk around
[16:59] <snap-l> greg-g: Just hang out with the smokers.
[16:59] <snap-l> Honestly, they're like little informal decision meetings anyway
[16:59] <greg-g> then I'd end up smoking (or at least smelling like smoke, which is just about as bad, for Carrie/Rowan)
[16:59] <greg-g> 'tis true
[16:59] <snap-l> at least that was what happened at Ford
[16:59] <greg-g> huh
[16:59] <rick_h> greg-g: I just get up and go for a walk and 'take a break' :P
[16:59] <snap-l> was 10x more productive meetings
[16:59] <greg-g> less so here, honestly
[17:00] <greg-g> alright, going for a walk. I'll get enough second hand smoke from being downtown anyways :)
[17:00] <greg-g> "contact high" here I come!
[17:00] <jrwren_> greg-g: just go for a walk. what is the big deal?
[17:00] <snap-l> Oh wait, this is SF, right?
[17:00] <snap-l> So they're going out for a "smoke break"
[17:01] <snap-l> "It's 4:20 somewhere, maaaan"
[17:01] <snap-l> ;)
[17:01] <greg-g> jrwren_: mostly, a person who stands there/sits there by themselves not doing anything but sitting/standing looks weird. The cigarette gives you a purpose
[17:01] <snap-l> greg-g: You could always oogle people.
[17:02] <snap-l> Gives you a purpose, and a creepy factor as well
[17:02] <greg-g> no comment
[17:02]  * greg-g goes
[17:03] <jrwren_> get a camera, take photo breaks.
[17:15] <snap-l> AaronThul: BTW: Don't think you can just sneak in here and not say Hello. :)
[17:15] <snap-l> We've missed you!
[17:16] <AaronThul> I been hiding out in Canada LOL
[17:16] <snap-l> So I've heard
[17:16] <snap-l> Hgoping for a SCOTUS ruling that can help with that
[17:16] <rick_h> AaronThul: hah, I just made an appt to go to canada to have my car worked on
[17:16] <snap-l> not holding my breath though
[17:16] <rick_h> AaronThul: where at?
[17:17] <AaronThul> Vancouver
[17:19] <rick_h> cool
[17:20] <AaronThul> yes its a nice city but sure rains a lot
[17:20] <AaronThul> hmm where the heck is drivedb.h on Ununtu locate is failing me
[17:22] <rick_h> AaronThul: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=drivedb.h&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any
[17:23] <AaronThul> apthul@mara:/var/log$ ls /usr/share/smartmontools/drivedb.h
[17:23] <AaronThul> ls: cannot access /usr/share/smartmontools/drivedb.h: No such file or directory
[17:24] <rick_h> AaronThul: dpkg -l | grep smartmontools ?
[17:24] <AaronThul> ii  smartmontools                             5.38-3ubuntu3                                   control and monitor storage systems using S.
[17:24] <AaronThul> maybe my old version does not have a drive db
[17:24] <rick_h> ah, maybe. what version is it?
[17:25] <rick_h> http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=drivedb.h&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any yea, not in squeeze (pre wheezy)
[17:25] <AaronThul> maybe someone has a PPA
[17:25] <AaronThul> I want to keep an eye on m shinny new SSDs
[18:08] <brousch> rick_h: Did you break your car already?
[18:11] <rick_h> brousch: no, but it's a complicated tow behicle. I need to have the hitch reinforced before I can use a WD hitch.
[18:11] <rick_h> brousch: so for optimal safety going to take it to CA and get it reinforced and balanced out.
[18:12] <greg-g> you're coming to CA?
[18:12] <brousch> Why is nothing easy with you?
[18:13] <rick_h> greg-g: CA Canada :P
[18:14] <rick_h> brousch: yea, it's a mess. towing is different in EU where they make this thing
[18:14] <greg-g> I thought it was in prep to come out here to visit me, oh well
[18:14] <rick_h> so it's odd doing it right here int he US
[18:15] <AaronThul> wow just learned something about pg_restore I really wish I knew a few days ago
[19:12] <snap-l> AaronThul: Something happen to your DB?
[19:12] <AaronThul> yes bad things
[19:12] <snap-l> Ugh
[19:12] <snap-l> That's the opposite of good things
[19:12] <AaronThul> last few days been no fun
[19:25] <jcastro> hey AaronThul !
[19:25] <jcastro> long time!
[19:26] <AaronThul> jcastro: for sure
[19:26] <AaronThul> I been hiding out in Canada
[19:52] <jrwren_> how to profile a python daemon?
[20:01] <snap-l> Profile or just see what it's doing?
[20:01] <snap-l> if it's the latter, i resort to strace
[20:01] <snap-l> If it's the former, then I'd check out: http://docs.python.org/2/library/profile.html
[20:28] <greg-g> ugh, we're getting DOS'd by amazon AWS on our search cluster (making lots of bogus search queries)
[20:28] <greg-g> by users of AWS, that is
[20:29] <brousch> Who did you piss off this time?
[20:29] <greg-g> usually everyone
[20:30] <snap-l> Take that Wikipedia for [citation needed]
[20:33] <brousch> If you would just block the controversial posts and allow all of the posts through you wouldn't have these problems
[20:34] <greg-g> brousch: yep, 'zactly
[20:37] <brousch> Glad I could help
[20:38] <snap-l> brousch: DO you happen to have that list of controversial posts in a .csv format?
[20:39] <brousch> I assume it's part of the Wikimedia API
[20:40] <greg-g> so, there was this optional, opt-in feature to hide images tagged with nsfw or something. The "community" wouldn't let it go through on the grounds of CENSORSHIP!
[20:40] <jrwren_> python -m cProfile worked very well. I'm just dumb.
[20:40] <greg-g> community in scarequotes because like many things, I think it was a vocal minority
[20:40] <brousch> Who decides what gets the tag?
[20:40] <snap-l> Exactly. How am I to get my daily fix of NSFW Wikiporn?
[20:41] <brousch> snap-l: That tag would make it easier to find the wikipr0n
[20:42] <greg-g> theres plenty of porn on wikimedia commons
[20:45] <snap-l> who runs wikimedia commons?
[20:45] <brousch> greg-g does
[20:45] <snap-l> and how long are the logs kept? :)
[20:46] <greg-g> we scrub IPs as soon as possible, but we have stats on number of views per media/page
[20:46] <greg-g> we have probably the best TOS in the industry, *especially* for a top 5 website
[20:53] <widox> rick_h: that api conference that came up in CHC, http://api-craft.org/
[20:53] <rick_h> widox: cool, thanks.
[20:54] <rick_h> curses, right after pyohio
[20:54] <rick_h> ugh, weekday conference.
[20:57] <brousch> Weekday are the best. Get a day off work and the boss pays
[20:57] <brousch> But yeah, d00d, right after PyOhio
[20:57] <jrwren_> TIL: plotting 5000 points onto a world map with d3js and refreshing every second is SLOW
[20:58] <brousch> 3 days long?
[20:58] <widox> the first day is really only a party at night
[20:59] <jrwren_> TIL: pickle is huge orders of magnitude faster than json. cpickle is a few more orders of magnitude faster than pickle
[21:00] <rick_h> jrwren_: yea, just no portability to other langs and you can get some strange object behavior on occassion.
[21:02] <jrwren_> its *really good* for what I'm doing :)
[21:12] <jrwren_> well, shared memory and real threads would be better, but python fucking sucks, ya know :)
[21:12] <jrwren_> i considered using *not python*
[21:17] <rick_h> widox: oh, it's an unconference.


[01:16] <jrwren> server colo as in you'll ship them hardware or somewhere to rent hardware in their place?
[01:31] <jrwren> about a month ago I learned about serverhunter.com
[03:48] <Scary_Guy> 123.net possibly and host your own somewhere?  Or something like that with fiber.
[04:38] <llua> not sure if you can rent by U space or by rack, but 123.net does indeed offer colocation, they wasn't pretty interesting to say the least when we used them.
[04:38] <llua> they were*
[04:39] <llua> we rented racks


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[16:35] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:36] <tyhicks> hello
[16:36] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:36] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[16:36] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Mar 31 16:36:54 2014 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:36] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:36] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:36] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:37] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:37] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[16:37] <jdstrand> last week was pretty busy helping get oxide in the archive (it is), it's MIR done (it is accepted) and landed on touch/desktop (in progress (others are handling this)).
[16:37] <jdstrand> Also did a lot of testing surrounding !AppArmor signals and ptrace FFe. Testing shows it is in really good shape.
[16:37] <jdstrand> Took a hard look at golang and commented in MIR to help remove potential impasse
[16:38] <jdstrand> for this week, I plan to help jjohansen and tyhicks land !AppArmor signals and ptrace FFe
[16:38] <jdstrand> the kernel bits are all in flight and I don't expect any issues there
[16:38]  * mdeslaur chuckles at wiki "!AppArmor" syntax :)
[16:38] <jdstrand> heh
[16:38] <jdstrand> sorry
[16:39] <jdstrand> there is also an openjdk-6 upstream regression that is prepared and gotten extensive community testing that I will be pushing out
[16:39] <cprofitt> no, problem I was able to follow it
[16:39] <jdstrand> I still have embargoed issues I am working on
[16:40] <jdstrand> and updates as I have time
[16:40] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:40] <mdeslaur> I'm in the happy place this week
[16:41] <mdeslaur> I am patch piloting on friday
[16:41] <mdeslaur> I am currently working on curl updates
[16:41] <mdeslaur> and am continuing going down the list
[16:41] <mdeslaur> that's pretty much it from me
[16:41] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[16:41]  * sbeattie is on apparmor again this week
[16:42] <sbeattie> Pretty much focused on testing & reviewing in support of landing the ptrace/signal mediation FFe for apparmor
[16:42] <jdstrand> sbeattie: what is left with the testing beyond what jjohansen implemented?
[16:42] <sbeattie> signal tests need expansion
[16:43] <jjohansen> ptrace tests could also use a pass through to make sure a combination wasn't missed
[16:43] <sbeattie> Yeah, was just going to say I wanted to review the ptrace tests for completeness
[16:44] <jdstrand> since the kernel seems to be under control for landing, I wondered if perhaps sbeattie would have time to help tyhicks with the distro policy verification/changes
[16:44] <jjohansen> and testing on the parser language side needs to be worked on as well
[16:44] <jdstrand> but I don't know what is left with the testing improvements, so I'll just put that out there and leave it at that
[16:45] <tyhicks> FWIW, I think there is quite a bit of value in expanding the signals testing and reviewing the ptrace test
[16:45] <sbeattie> jdstrand: eh, I can probably put some time into it as well.
[16:46] <sbeattie> tyhicks: okay
[16:46] <sbeattie> anyway, that's the plan for me this week
[16:46] <sbeattie> tyhicks: you're up
[16:46] <jdstrand> again, I tossed it out there as a conversation point-- feel free to prioritize on whateve makes sense to land this in a well-tested manner
[16:47] <tyhicks> my focus will be on landing the apparmor userspace ffe
[16:47] <mdeslaur> ok, well, sbeattie and tyhicks please determine amongst yourselves the best course of action
[16:47]  * tyhicks nods
[16:47] <tyhicks> I'll be testing our existing, shipped profiles
[16:47] <tyhicks> and making adjustments, as needed
[16:48] <tyhicks> then I'll look into adding support to aa.py for file, pivot_root, signal, and ptrace rules
[16:48] <tyhicks> and that'll be followed up with the upload
[16:48] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[16:48] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:50] <jjohansen> I'm working on landing the apparmor FFe this week too. Mostly working with testing and what ever is needed to support tyhicks, sbeattie, and jdstrand.
[16:51] <jjohansen> If there is time the backport patches need to be updated so that the kernel sync that is part of the FFe can be done for touch. So that post FFe the work need to update touch can begin
[16:52] <jjohansen> that is it for me sarnold your up
[16:53] <sarnold> i'm on triage this week
[16:54] <sarnold> I'm finishing the juju-core MIR today if it goes as expected
[16:54] <sarnold> that leaves the glusterfs MIR this week
[16:54] <sarnold> I suspect this week I'll also upgrade my laptop to trusty to add my own dogfooding before release
[16:55] <sarnold> thanks to those who went before me and already filed a bunch of bugs :)
[16:55] <sarnold> I think that's it for me, chrisccoulson?
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> this week, i'm finishing off https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/oxide/window-opening, which adds support for creating new webviews with window.open()
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> i'm also going to fix up the remaining issues on https://code.launchpad.net/~zaspire/oxide/lp_1259219/+merge/212330 (needed for webapps), as maxim is away this week and there's still some work to do on that
[16:57] <chrisccoulson> and then more code reviews (i got some of those done last week)
[16:57] <chrisccoulson> i think that's me done
[16:59] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:59] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:59] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[17:00] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ibm-3270.html
[17:00] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/lxsession.html
[17:00] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/davfs2.html
[17:00] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/claws-mail.html
[17:00] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ruby-will-paginate.html
[17:00] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[17:00] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[17:03] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: thanks!
[17:03] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[17:03] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar 31 17:03:33 2014 UTC.
[17:03] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-03-31-16.36.moin.txt
[17:03] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand!
[17:03] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks!
[17:03] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[17:03] <sarnold> thanks jdstrand!
[17:04] <tyhicks> thanks!
[20:00] <infinity> o/
[20:02] <infinity> *crickets*
[20:02]  * stgraber waves
[20:03] <stgraber> pitti was supposed to chair but isn't around, next in line is slangasek
[20:03] <stgraber> (who may also be missing, not sure)
[20:03] <infinity> slangasek: Stop being missing.
[20:03] <stgraber> not that we appear to have anything to discuss anyway
[20:04] <infinity> If we literally have nothing to discuss, we could just defer the meeting and keep pitti on the hook. :P
[20:04] <stgraber> yeah, since he promised to be there for the next meeting, I'd be fine with that ;)
[20:04] <infinity> Shall we do an informal sweep of the state of things and see if we come to that conclusion?
[20:05] <stgraber> wiki page is empty, bug page is empty, looking at ML now
[20:05] <infinity> A mailing list sweep really just brings up Mark's "Matters approaching" email, which I think we need to discuss *in depth*, which means on the ML, or when all of us are present (or both).
[20:05] <stgraber> right, the rest we dealt with I believe (LTS status and MRE)
[20:06] <kees> o/
[20:06] <infinity> kees: Your little man is 6 minutes late; fire him.
[20:06]  * kees fires o
[20:08] <infinity> kees: Do you have anything to discuss today (like your eternally outstanding MRE review?), or are you cool with deferring, since we seem to be short on both people and topics?
[20:08] <kees> nope, happy to have someone else take the MRE thing, though
[20:09] <infinity> I'm not sure anyone else is quite sure exactly what it was you were doing and planning to get out of it. ;)
[20:09] <kees> mostly it was "should these pMREs go away or get upgraded to MRE?"
[20:09] <infinity> If you want to send something to the list detailing the sorts of things you planned to audit as criteria, and the end results you were hoping to get out of it, maybe someone (1, 2, 3, not it!) could find some time to help out.
[20:10] <kees> heh, ok
[20:11] <infinity> Maybe we could even squeeze a bit of automation out of this (bug filed on SRU versions, etc) to try to establish baselines for crap pMREs.
[20:11] <infinity> s/bug/bugs/
[20:11] <infinity> Bugs, crash reports, etc.
[20:11] <infinity> Anyhow.
[20:11] <infinity> I think we've got pretty much nothing else on our plate, so maybe we should just start and end the meeting and call it done. :P
[20:13] <stgraber> #startmeeting Technical board meeting
[20:13] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Mar 31 20:13:11 2014 UTC.  The chair is stgraber. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[20:13] <stgraber> Nothing to discuss, see you in two weeks. Next chair, pitti.
[20:13] <stgraber> #endmetting
[20:13] <stgraber> #endmeeting
[20:13] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar 31 20:13:30 2014 UTC.
[20:13] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-03-31-20.13.moin.txt
[20:13] <infinity> METTING.
[20:13] <stgraber> yeah, typing is hard...
[20:13] <doko> s/M/P/ ? what are you up for?
[20:14] <infinity> I... Don't have a response to that.
[20:14] <infinity> And, so, I shall leave the channel.
[20:16] <doko> heh, I assume post-meeting business ;p
[20:16] <slangasek> hum, sorry I'm late
[20:17] <slangasek> it would have been good to have a discussion about the system-image topic, given that no one has taken it up on the mailing list
[20:17] <mdeslaur> argh!
[20:17] <mdeslaur> sorry I'm late
[20:19] <slangasek> mdeslaur, stgraber, kees: given that we now have more people here than when infinity decided to cut'n'run on us, maybe we should reopen the meeting? ;)
[20:20] <mdeslaur> I don't mind
[20:20] <mdeslaur> although I'm not sure I have anything useful to contribute to the system-image topic at this stage
[20:21] <mdeslaur> do we have any details or a plan on how we would achieve it?
[20:22] <stgraber> slangasek: I don't mind, though I'm not sure how much I'd be able to contribute about this in a live meeting. Seems like the kind of thing where I'd need a few hours just to think things through and that e-mails are better suited for that.
[20:22] <slangasek> that's certainly the biggest unknown
[20:23] <slangasek> at this stage, we have no approach to system-image that doesn't involve being incompatible with apt-based installation of non-default packages
[20:23] <slangasek> and "system-image+app store" is a major deviation for our desktop or server story
[20:23] <stgraber> current state of things are that system-image is entirely unsuitable for desktop use, there are a few options we discussed a year or so ago but nobody did any work on exploring those so far
[20:23] <slangasek> stgraber: well, as noted people don't seem to have actually made the time to do that few hours of thinking on the list ;)
[20:24] <slangasek> fwiw I expect foundations will spend some time on this system-image-on-desktop question in the coming months
[20:24] <slangasek> since we'll have the resources to cover package management in depth shortly :)
[20:24] <stgraber> slangasek: sure and I'm feeling slightly bad about this because I meant to reply to this e-mail before this meeting and failed. I'm just not sure discussing it live is the way to go. It seems like we just need the TB members to find some time to think about it and reply on the list.
[20:25] <slangasek> ok, then my suggestion is that people use the rest of the time blocked for this meeting to do so ;-)
[20:25] <mdeslaur> is the ultimate goal to have two different desktop types, to replace apt-based installation of non-default packages, or to be able to support both images and apt-based packages?
[20:26] <stgraber> I think the ultimate goal is part of what we need to discuss and define :)
[20:26] <mdeslaur> ok :)
[20:27] <slangasek> mdeslaur: I would say (and this is a bit of guesswork on my part, but I think it's a reasonable starting point for discussion) that the high-level goal is to bring the robustness of system-image updates to our desktop users
[20:27] <slangasek> my personal position is that we shouldn't to sacrifice support for the wealth of packages in universe to get there
[20:29] <stgraber> I'm also not convinced our users would appreciate having to reboot their system for every single update, technology evolves in the direction of longer uptime (checkpoint/restart, live patching, ...), requiring a full system reboot for even the smallest package update doesn't feel right...
[20:29] <mdeslaur> and of course the most desirable outcome is also the most technically challenging one :)
[20:32] <stgraber> anyway, there are quite a lot of things which seem fine currently with s-i for the phones that likely won't be for the desktop, so we may as well document those in the ML discussion then try and see what can be done about them (and which we really care about)


[01:48] <David_02105> hello
[14:52] <pac1> somehow, I've managed to set some configuration in my lubuntu installation such that any text selected is automatically copied.  This makes it hard to paste anything over anything else, because the act of selecting the text to copy over results in a new selection, so paste just replaces the same text instead of the previously copied text.  Any advice on this?
[14:54] <pac1> Turns out this was a result of turning on "platform specific enhancements".  Not sure what was intended by this but that is what caused the behavior.
[14:55] <pac1> So what is the advantage of this?
[15:15] <tomreyn> i suspect this is meant for touch input, like on a tab
[15:28] <pac1> How would you paste anything on a tab?  wouldn't you have the same problem?
[18:54] <alexf> teste
[18:54] <alexf> salve
[19:39] <Guest_52> hi
 i somehow installed lubuntu using rufus and persistant storage but now i am unable to shut it down. i have shut it down using powerkey is there any way to shut down lubuntu
 i mean when pressing shutdown button the lubuntu logo appers and nothing happens
 Could you please switch to text console and show us the output?
 It can be done by pressing arrows then the logo is displayed
 This doesn't look like a typical problem, it should shut down correctly
[21:34] <Guest_5> lubuntu ati radeon 2100
[21:45] <User2164615> ok
 @anonid [i somehow installed lubuntu using rufus and persistant storage but now i am unab …], sorry for the misinformation … lubuntu switchesoff but it takes 6 minutes
 can i force shutdown always
 will i have any problems with force shutting down the system
[23:01] <stryker_> hello
[23:10] <fran_> holaaa
[23:10] <fran_> que tal
[23:10] <fran_> alguien??
[23:10] <kc2bez> !es


[00:48] <joebob777as7> ok i figured out my printer tunneling and I can now see it on my ubuntu-server in my lan. I now need some help figuring out how to share it with my lan...
[02:05] <mm_202> Hey guys, can someone help me with a question about /proc/[pid]/stat ?
[02:06] <mm_202> Im trying to get the user & system time that the process has consumed.  But /proc/[pid]/stat seems to provide the information in 'jiffies'.
[02:06] <mm_202> I want something more like what getrusage() returns.
[02:15] <lukehasnoname> My god, the w3m debate is still raging
[02:16] <nxvl> yes, i'm just ignoring those messages
[02:16] <nxvl> it will never end
[02:16] <nxvl> as the GUI one
[02:16] <lukehasnoname> No one replied when I brought up the fact that it's 3MB installed
[02:17] <nxvl> i'm ignoring them before it
[02:17] <nxvl> :D
[02:23] <ScottK> lukehasnoname: We need to get it easier to have different variants so that all parties can be satisfied.  Both the minimalists and the generalists have good point.
[02:23] <ScottK> point/points
[02:23] <lukehasnoname> I understand that we want to make everyone happy
[02:24] <lukehasnoname> but... damn
[02:24] <lukehasnoname> 72 posts on it
[02:27] <lukehasnoname> when do you hit the sack, ScottK
[02:28] <ScottK> Not for a while yet.  Several hours at least.
[02:29] <lukehasnoname> ... when do you get up?
[02:29] <lukehasnoname> I mean
[02:29] <lukehasnoname> it's what, 2:30?
[02:29] <ScottK> One (or very few) sizes will never satisfy everyone, so there's no point in arguing much over specifics.  We need more sizes.
[02:30] <ScottK> lukehasnoname: What timezone?
[02:30] <lukehasnoname> 2:29am Wednesday (BST) - Time in London, United Kingdom
[02:30] <ScottK> Right.  I get up about 11AM your time.
[02:32] <lukehasnoname> so you sleep from 5am-5pm ... awesome. I envy you. BTW, what's your take on NetDirector, did you look at it? I might finally have a friend with good internet to host my server so I can play with software.
[02:33] <ScottK> I didn't look at it yet.
[02:34] <ScottK> From the one technical answer I got about config files it sounds to me like they punted to the admin all the tricky stuff.
[02:42] <lukehasnoname> it looks worth checking
[02:43] <lukehasnoname> to me, anyway. Create users with unique roles based on services, and be able to manage large numbers of servers at once, as well as other functions
[02:58] <ScottK> I agree it's worth looking into.
[03:19] <lukehasnoname> Can I add newer release repos to older installs, and things function?
[03:19] <lukehasnoname> such as adding hardy repos to a feisty or gutsy install
[03:23] <ScottK> No.
[03:24] <ScottK> Some packages will work, some won't.  If you want a newer package in a release, backports is the usual method.
[03:24] <ScottK> !backports | lukehasnoname
[03:24] <lukehasnoname> boosh
[03:24] <lukehasnoname> k
[03:40] <Jberg88> Hi I am trying to add a folder to my drupal install in the /sites/all diretory but I don't have to right permission to do so via FTP
[03:45] <lukehasnoname> sudo chmod 777 /sites/all/
[03:45] <lukehasnoname> or chown /sites/all/ to you
[04:24] <rodneyk> whats the best monitoring packages in the ubuntu repository besides nagios
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure we should be encouraging chmod 777
[05:21] <ScottK> Agreed.
[05:40] <LMJ> rodneyk : I have to admit I really love Hobbit to monitor all my company servers & Network
[05:46] <ScottK> sommer: Are you around?
[05:57] <ScottK> sommer: php-clamavlib is uploaded to Debian.
[08:07] <kraut> moin
[09:26] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #242846 in openldap2.3 (main) "update-manager could not update otrs. " [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/242846
[13:19] <sommer> ScottK: that's awesome :-)
[13:19] <ScottK> Congratulations.
[13:20]  * sommer reading the email reply
[13:21] <ScottK> sommer: PTS hasn't fully updated, but see the first item in News http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/php-clamavlib.html
[13:23] <hubuntu> is there a deb for a newer version of mediawiki than the one in the repositories? Etch has 1.7 but we have 1.1 ??!!
[13:24] <ScottK> No.  We have 1.11 in Hardy.
[13:26] <sommer> ScottK: heh, cool
[13:26] <hubuntu> oh... sorry saw 1.1.11 not 1:1.11
[13:27] <hubuntu> hope that doesn't end in ubuntubash.org
[13:30] <Deeps> it's about as funny as everything else on there, so it could well do
[13:36] <nandersson> Where looks Mac OS X for the Bzr plugin-directory?
[13:41] <ogra> nandersson, did you ask in #bzr ?
[13:41]  * ogra doubts many people in #ubuntu-server use OS X
[13:42] <nandersson> ogra, sorry :) I was in the wrong channel
[13:42] <ogra> :)
[14:07] <Blinny> I have a cron script (named 'backup') in /etc/cron.daily. Although I have 3:25AM for the runtime in /etc/crontab, it doesn't get around to running until 7:30AM. What could be causing this, other than the 'a' named scripts (0anacron, apache2, apport, apt, aptitude) somehow taking four hours to run?
[14:09] <Shanix> hi all, would anyone know how to setup a floating IP between 2 servers? not DHCP nor dynDNS.org
[14:41] <_ruben> Shanix: "a floating ip" ??
[14:46] <Shanix> _ruben, yeah, the redhat clustering suite
[15:12] <ScottK> Anyone around that uses amavisd-new that could install a new version for testing in the next few days?
[15:25] <mindframe-> what version of ubuntu does this belong to? SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.2p1 Debian-7ubuntu3
[15:26] <mindframe-> I'm thinking Dapper... is this correct?
[15:29] <lukehasnoname_> looks like it
[15:29] <lukehasnoname_> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-227539.html
[15:30] <soren> Yes.
[15:30] <soren> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh
[15:30] <ScottK> lukehasnoname_: Yesterday you recommended someone might chmod a file to 777 to solve a problem.  Please don't do that.
[15:31]  * soren concurs
[15:33] <lukehasnoname_> I concur since I didn't ask him how secure/important that dir was
[15:35] <lukehasnoname_> soren: cool link, I didn't know you could track like that in LP. I admit I haven't explored it much.
[15:38] <soren> Regardless... "chmod 777" is never a good solution. At the very least, don't provide it as a default solution unless explicitly told that the server is not networked and physically locked up in a box somewhere out of reach of children and such.
[15:38] <mindframe-> how can i get a list of security vulnerabilities associated with  	OpenSSH 4.2p1-7ubuntu3 ... obviously fixes were backported
[15:39] <lukehasnoname_> soren: ok
[15:39] <soren> mindframe-: Look at the changelog. Same page.
[15:39] <ScottK> mindframe-: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/o/openssh/openssh_4.2p1-7ubuntu3.4/changelog
[15:42] <ScottK> soren: The Launchpad 'changelogs' aren't really changelogs at all, but an incomplete amalgamation of some of the things mentioned in .changes files for the release.  To get the full debian/changelog you need to go to p.u.c.
[15:43] <soren> True.
[15:43] <ScottK> There are open bugs on this in Launchpad, but it's not a high priority.
[15:43] <ScottK> It seems odd to me that data correctness and completeness don't rate highly for them, but there is obviously a lot I don't understand about Launchpad development.
[16:12] <sommer> jdstrand: I sent a patch to the ldapscripts author that allows them to work from a non-configured workstation... just fyi
[16:13] <sommer> also sent one allowing some more functionality to the template system
[16:14] <sommer> jdstrand: for reference it came up a week or more ago that ldapscripts needed to be run from a workstation configured for ldap authentication
[16:22] <_ruben> Shanix: never used RHCS, but do use linux-ha's heartbeat app in production failover setups
[16:23] <jdstrand> sommer: nice
[16:23] <Shanix> _ruben, thx
[16:35] <hubuntu> once the drupal package in installed under hardy where can I add the www path for it? DO I have to add a "sites-available" file and create a database for drupal or is there a path for me to start the installation?
[16:37] <arakthor> anyone know where to find good documentation on snmp and mib?
[16:46] <lukehasnoname_> Does anyone have personal recommendations on books covering LDAP, SANs, or Linux VM?
[16:48] <sommer> lukehasnoname_: this one's dated but pretty good: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9781565924918/
[16:48] <sommer> lukehasnoname_: there's also mastering openldap by packt publishing... don't have a url
[16:49] <lukehasnoname_> I see it on amazon
[16:49] <lukehasnoname_> there are several there, I was seeing if y'all had used any of them
[16:50] <sommer> I've used both the ones I recommended :-)
[16:51] <lukehasnoname_> cool
[16:53] <lukehasnoname_> I'll check those out, esp. the Packt one since it's Open specific. If anyone asks, "Beginning Ubuntu Server Administration" and "Linux Networking Cookbook" are both really terrific
[16:56] <lukehasnoname_> In fact, the LNC has a really good chapter on OpenLDAP that I had forgotten about... I tell you, that book is very good.
[16:59] <heno> Hi nijaba, are you able to do a JeOS test install?
[17:00] <heno> we also need the default + crypted LVM server case covered
[19:25] <ScottK> mathiaz: All the MIR for the Amavisd-new/DKIM spec are approved, so you can mark that off your list.
[19:38] <mathiaz> ScottK: awesome :)
[19:38] <mathiaz> ScottK: what's the next step then ?
[19:39] <ScottK> The next step is for me to add configuration changes to the default config for amavisd-new.  I'm trying to get an NMU sponsored in Debian first so that we don't have two uploads.
[19:39] <ScottK> Then it's testing.
[19:40] <ScottK> Since libmilter got approved today too, I'll also unsplit amavisd-new-milter at the same time.
[19:49] <HomeSickA> hello all, wanted to set up a private network with a private domain. network will have about 30 or so computers both ubuntu and windows. i woud like to run a 'central' server on ubuntu server 8.04. the network has 10 computers on a lan router, we would like to bridge that to a wireless router so ppl can also connect wirelessly. i would like the server to have a domain called server.lan.com so that ppl can jsut put that in their i
[19:50] <ivoks> so, where's the problem?
[19:51] <luke_has_no_name> ivoks: I think he wants to know how to
[19:51] <HomeSickA> yes lol
[19:51] <HomeSickA> how to ;p
[19:52] <ivoks> so, that server should be dhcp server
[19:52] <HomeSickA> yes
[19:52] <HomeSickA> that server should 'run' the network
[19:52] <HomeSickA> wil the wireless users get affected? i mean doesnt the wireless router tend to do all the work?
[19:52] <ivoks> and wifi router should have dhcp service disabled, and only pass packages
[19:53] <ivoks> it should work if you disable dhcp service on it, and set an IP that would be in the same range as server
[19:53] <HomeSickA> ok, does ubuntu ship with that as a standard?
[19:53] <ivoks> with dhcp server?
[19:53] <HomeSickA> yes
[19:53] <ivoks> yes, it's on CD
[19:53] <HomeSickA> ubuntu server edition that is
[19:53] <HomeSickA> ok sweet
[19:54] <HomeSickA> im not getting 'and set an IP that would be in the same range as server'
[19:54] <HomeSickA> where do i set that
[19:54] <ivoks> dhcp3-server is the name of the package
[19:54] <ivoks> on the wifi router
[19:54] <ivoks> example:
[19:54] <HomeSickA> ok, so i set the wifi router to have an ip address?
[19:54] <ivoks> ubuntu server has an IP <IP_ADDRESS>, it offers over dhcp <IP_ADDRESS>-<IP_ADDRESS>
[19:55] <ivoks> then your wifi router should have <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:55] <HomeSickA> ok im getting that
[19:55] <ivoks> having a caching DNS server would be cool, too
[19:56] <HomeSickA> caching DNS server?
[19:56] <HomeSickA> pls explain :D
[19:56] <ivoks> DNS server which doesn't have local domain, it just stores queries from other domains
[19:57] <HomeSickA> what domains are u talking about ;/ im lost. im just creating a private network, no internet
[19:59] <ajsharp> This isn't really an ubuntu specific question, it's more of a dns question but....is creating an A record for every subdomain (www.example.com) equivalent of creating cname records to the servers main A record (example.com)?
[19:59] <HomeSickA> i see i see
[19:59] <HomeSickA> i see i see: By default, BIND installs on Ubuntu configured to act as a caching DNS server
[20:00] <HomeSickA> i read a guide on bind9
[20:00] <HomeSickA> i read a guide on bind9?
[20:00] <HomeSickA> is that the way to go?
[20:02] <ivoks_> uf...
[20:04] <ivoks> where were we?
[20:05] <ivoks> last i said was caching DNS and i got lost after that
 i see i see: By default, BIND installs on Ubuntu configured to act as a caching DNS server
 i read a guide on bind9
 i read a guide on bind9?
 is that the way to go?
[20:06] <ivoks> it's been a while i configured my last dns, so i don't remember how it works out of the box
[20:06] <HomeSickA> thinnk i need to get the bind package
[20:06] <ivoks> but, i guess you'll need jus couple of configuration lines in named.conf.local
[20:06] <ivoks> to allow wueries from other machines
[20:06] <ivoks> right, bind9
[20:07] <HomeSickA> http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu8.04-lts
[20:07] <HomeSickA> saw it there, think thats the solution hey
[20:07] <ivoks> i'm afraid of those 'perfect setups' :/
[20:07] <HomeSickA> lol thing is, im not too familiar with the server commands hey
[20:07] <HomeSickA> and thats prob all that i can find for now
[20:08] <RoAkSoAx> HomeSickA, https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/dns.html
[20:08] <ivoks> you could try ebox...
[20:09] <HomeSickA> ebox?
[20:10] <ivoks> http://ebox-platform.com/
[20:10] <ivoks> it's kind of a gui and easy linux server for begginers
[20:10] <RoAkSoAx> HomeSickA, this might help ya too: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/ebox.html
[20:10] <Luke_L> or NetDirector (try it and tell me how it works) haha
[20:11] <HomeSickA> thank you ivoks and RoAkSoAx :]
[20:11] <HomeSickA> lol Luke_L im scare ;p
[20:11] <ivoks> HomeSickA: i would suggest newer ebox packages; it has great file sharing module
[20:12] <HomeSickA> what does ebox do actually, should i use it as an alternative to ubuntu server?
[20:13] <RoAkSoAx> HomeSickA, ebox its for Ubuntu Server administration through http
[20:13] <HomeSickA> aahh, does it manage packages already installed on the ubuntu system, like bind or an ircd?
[20:14] <Luke_L> HomeSickA: ya
[20:14] <HomeSickA> think that will usefull
[20:14] <zul> ivoks: it has a file sharing module?
[20:14] <ivoks> zul: samba
[20:14] <HomeSickA> im so excited
[20:15] <ivoks> zul: really cool new module; with detailed permissions
[20:15] <HomeSickA> need to wait for my friend to bring the server edition cd this weekend so we can try al this
[20:15] <zul> ivoks: coolio
[20:15] <ivoks> i have one great movie for all sys admins:
[20:15] <ivoks> http://blip.tv/file/1015028
[20:16] <HomeSickA> ivoks any other helpful hints?
[20:18] <ivoks> HomeSickA: i don't know... :)
[20:18] <HomeSickA> :]
[20:18] <HomeSickA> oh yes
[20:19] <Luke_L> where are the IRC logs?
[20:19] <HomeSickA> i have one more q, i set up dancer-ircd. ppl can connect fine to it, but why does it take so long to connect - there is like a 10 second pause
[20:22] <HomeSickA> it has something to do with IdentLookups im sure
[20:34] <ivoks> HomeSickA: right, that's normal
[20:36] <HomeSickA> know how to fix it though?
[20:37] <HomeSickA> can't seem to find the appropriate command to slot into ircd.conf
[20:37] <ivoks> by enabling ident service, which isn't something you want
[20:37] <ivoks> or disabling it at irc server, right
[20:40] <HomeSickA> yea, how on earth do i do that mate? ;[
[20:41] <ivoks> don't know; i've never set up an irc server
[21:30] <luke_l> I just thought about the fact that FreeBSD's package selection at install time is a pretty good example of what people want in Ubuntu
[21:31] <luke_l> It's not as detailed as the FAI or the more specific "flavor" spec that ScottK wants but it's the same in principle
[21:31] <ScottK> The hard part isn't the package selection, but the integrated configuration that goes with it.
[21:34] <luke_l> right I was tihnking initally about the "minimal vs. full" debate that was going on
[21:38] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:38] <luke_l> you mean like what qualifies for each?
[21:38] <luke_l> like does w3m stay in minimal, haha
[21:39] <ScottK> For that, you're right, package selection is sufficient.
[21:39] <ScottK> For what I'm trying to do in the flavor spec is get a set of packages with a set integrated configuration.  That's a harder bit.
[21:40] <luke_l> right.
[21:58] <colin_> hello
[21:59] <luke_l> yo
[21:59] <colin_> I'm trying to install Ubuntu server on my Compaq Proliant DL380 G1, but it does not reconizes my raid controller correctly
[22:00] <colin_> does anyone know a solution for this?
[22:28] <HomeSickA> hello, should i install the lamp bundle during the server installation or should i install each part separately?
[22:28] <hads> 6 of one half a dozen of the other :)
[22:29] <ScottK> It depends on if you want to do more work or less.  If you want less, just install the LAMP stack.
[22:29] <HomeSickA> what about the configuration?
[22:30] <HomeSickA> can i install the lamp bundle, then just configure it the way http://tinyurl.com/65jzxw states
[22:35] <luke_l> yes
[22:35] <luke_l> but LAMP install is just as easy and probably does what you need
[22:36] <HomeSickA> great
[22:36] <HomeSickA> :)


[10:55] <andygraybeal> morning
[10:56] <andygraybeal> whos at work?
[10:57] <andygraybeal> any release parties in the cbus area?
[10:57] <andygraybeal> or southeastern oh ?
[12:03] <andygraybeal> wake up wake up.
[12:03] <andygraybeal> who here is setting their work environment to 'gnome-failback' cause they don't want to deal with people bishing otherwise?
[12:04] <andygraybeal> cause that is most likely what i'm going to do
[12:04] <andygraybeal> maybe i'll have the option to give them the choice
[12:07] <andygraybeal> omg, you guys need more coffee
[13:20]  * andygraybeal makes second pot of coffee
[13:34] <paultag> morning folks
[13:34] <paultag> andygraybeal: yeah, I'm behind on the coffee train :(
[13:34] <andygraybeal> :)
[13:35] <paultag> oh great, now my web browser's broken
[13:35] <paultag> joy
[13:35] <paultag> oop, there it is
[13:40] <andygraybeal> it's gonna be a hawt night tonight down in southeastern ohio at my restaurant we got two great things: 1. a salsa made with local strawberries and paper lantern chiles and 2. an open doors drag show!   sashay! shante!  exciting!
[13:40] <paultag> haha, awesome
[13:40] <andygraybeal> the salsa is guaranteed to melt your face and the drag show will make you wet as well :)
[13:40] <andygraybeal> :)
[13:41] <andygraybeal> bro, i got that tilemill running and i couldn't get the files from the state to load cause they were too big!
[13:41] <andygraybeal> but the ones from our county work fnie
[13:41] <andygraybeal> *fine
[13:42] <paultag> hahaha
[13:42] <paultag> MA takes a few (10?) minutes or so to load
[13:42] <paultag> I was fighting with TileMill on Debian
[13:42] <paultag> super PITA
[13:42] <andygraybeal> yea, i think i have to compile it myself if i want to get it to run the data from the state.
[13:42] <paultag> I don't think so :)
[13:42] <andygraybeal> and set some filesize setting to 0
[13:43] <paultag> it's all nodejs, you can edit in place :)
[13:43] <andygraybeal> ah then, i couldn't figure out how to change the setting.
[13:43] <paultag> ah
[13:46] <andygraybeal> yea, there looks to be a 20MB  limit
[13:46] <andygraybeal> and i have a 36MB file
[13:46] <andygraybeal> and somethign about setting something to 0 would make this work.
[13:46] <andygraybeal> anyway, this was lastn ight and i'm at work now so i shouldn't be workign on it
[14:40] <thafreak> I love how the job title "systems administrator" basically just means, "what ever technical type tasks we want you to perform"
[14:40] <thafreak> Some companies, you need to know about electrical and generators
[14:41] <thafreak> some places you need to know about phone systems
[14:41] <thafreak> and some places, they want you to be a software developer too
[14:41] <thafreak> not, install and setup this software for us to use on a server...
[14:41] <thafreak> but also, hey this software doesn't work...fix it
[14:42] <thafreak> i'm switching to programming I think...might as well...
[14:42] <thafreak> devops
[15:02] <jrgifford> BUZZWORD.
[15:02] <jrgifford> devops is actually pretty cool though. :)
[15:02] <thafreak> i know...but i don't hate that buzzword yet
[15:03] <jrgifford> Oh, compared to "cloud", devops isn't a buzzword.
[15:03] <thafreak> as it's only being used by practitioners mainly now
[15:03] <thafreak> yes, i want to punch anyone who says cloud
[15:03] <thafreak> or "apps"
[15:03] <jrgifford> AHG APPS
[15:04] <jrgifford> although i will say that I am known to call a little hack i put together a "app". generally speaking though, what that means is that I'm just too bored to give it a proper name.
[15:06] <paultag> hiya jrgifford
[15:06] <jrgifford> howdy paultag
[15:07] <thafreak> for all those interested in ARM...
[15:07] <paultag> what's new?
[15:07] <thafreak> you can get the older v2 "pink" pogo plugs for $25
[15:07] <paultag> thafreak: I've reconsidered and decided salt might be the way to go with my thing
[15:07] <paultag> oh really?
[15:07] <paultag> can I get like 4 of them?
[15:07] <thafreak> probably
[15:08] <thafreak> I might order some more to hold me over till raspberry pi is more widely available
[15:08] <jrgifford> paultag: nothing much. how're you?
[15:08] <thafreak> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/763601-REG/Pogoplug_POGO_B01_B01_Multimedia_Sharing_Device.html
[15:10] <paultag> thafreak: can I run Debian on it?
[15:11] <paultag> jrgifford: Oh you know, living the dream
[15:11] <jrgifford> nice... i want one of those. jandrusk: Look above, there is a rasp pi alternative for you, you were looking for one a few weeks ago iirc.
[15:11] <jrgifford> paultag: :D
[15:12] <thafreak> yep, it will run debian squeeze atleast
[15:13] <thafreak> which is current stable anyway
[15:13] <paultag> thafreak: I live on the edge, jabroni
[15:13] <thafreak> well, haven't tried wheezy
[15:13] <paultag> I mean, I could wait until the ras-pi is around more
[15:13] <paultag> then cluster those
[15:14] <thafreak> but these are here now ;)
[15:14] <thafreak> and have gig-e
[15:14] <paultag> true
[15:14] <paultag> no, you're right
[15:14] <paultag> alpacahearder has some
[15:14] <thafreak> it's what runs this irssi session I'm using now :-O
[15:14] <paultag> (pogoplugs)
[15:14] <paultag> thafreak: oh really?
[15:14] <thafreak> yep...
[15:14] <paultag> hummmm
[15:15] <thafreak> it's what I have ssh poked through my firewall to
[15:15] <thafreak> since it's less likely to die than my bigger hardware
[15:15] <paultag> iiiiiiinteresting
[15:15] <thafreak> and i have usb-serial adapters plugged into it, and serial console to my VM hosts
[15:15] <paultag> thafreak: anyway - more relevent to right now - advice for salt?
[15:16] <thafreak> i'm still tinkering with it
[15:16] <thafreak> so far, the master of masters setup doesn't seem to work so hot
[15:16] <paultag> thafreak: if you feel like helping me on my quest, you'll get huge amounts of internet cred
[15:16] <paultag> like, huge
[15:16] <thafreak> might be how I have the one setup though
[15:16] <paultag> and a lot of people will be really thankful
[15:17] <thafreak> i'll help where I can
[15:17] <thafreak> I'm still toying and learning it myself
[15:17] <thafreak> but so far, it feels more natural than a puppet/puppet master setup
[15:17] <paultag> thafreak: if I set up a "build script" for the VM to run, can you saltize it?
[15:18] <thafreak> what kind of script we talking?
[15:18] <paultag> it'll be complex
[15:18] <paultag> and long running
[15:18] <thafreak> what lang
[15:18] <paultag> but it'll be simple to invoke
[15:18] <paultag> bash
[15:18] <paultag> I'm going to make it portable as hell
[15:18] <thafreak> k
[15:18] <paultag> or I can do python + pbs, but that's less easy to port to all the dists I want
[15:18] <paultag> I figure shell is best
[15:19] <thafreak> pbs? like the batch system?
[15:19] <paultag> python-pbs
[15:19] <thafreak> haven't seen that yet
[15:19] <paultag> dude
[15:19] <paultag> it's amazing
[15:19] <paultag> name a command
[15:19] <paultag> any command
[15:20] <thafreak> command?
[15:20] <thafreak> like ls
[15:20] <paultag> nvmd, one sec
[15:20] <paultag> yeah, sure
[15:20] <canthus13> lspci
[15:20] <paultag> lspci it is
[15:20] <thafreak> so it is related to the pbs batch system...
[15:21] <paultag> one sec
[15:22] <paultag> python
[15:22] <paultag> >>> from pbs import lspci, grep
[15:22] <paultag> >>> grep(lspci(), "VGA")
[15:22] <paultag> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[15:22] <paultag> >>>
[15:22] <canthus13> nice. :)
[15:22] <paultag> it's a badass wrapper that uses some nifty import hacks
[15:22] <paultag> it's a really nice way to shell out in Python
[15:22] <paultag> anyway, yeah. Shell, thafreak
[15:23] <thafreak> will you have direct ssh access to your build hosts?
[15:24] <paultag> thafreak: no, they'll be VMs. To test, I'll fire up some VMs here behind a firewall or something
[15:24] <thafreak> cause something like clusterssh which runs stuff in parallel might be a simpler setup
[15:24] <paultag> not only VMs, but in the end, they're reflash them
[15:24] <thafreak> gotcha
[15:24] <paultag> because builds may taint the host
[15:24] <thafreak> true
[15:25] <paultag> boot → update chroot → run buld → shutdown, host reflash VM
[15:25] <paultag> but for now, I'll just do the run-build
[15:25] <paultag> because that's the most complex part
[15:26] <thafreak> well...using libvirt and pre-built templates, it might not be too bad
[15:27] <paultag> thafreak: idealy, I'd also send an "update" job before each build
[15:27] <thafreak> clone a vm, boot it, abuse it, delete it when done
[15:27] <paultag> thafreak: which would boot the VM image R/W, update the chroot, update the image, shut down
[15:27] <paultag> also, it'd be sweet to have a web-front-end on this
[15:28] <paultag> if I can stream output from the slave to the host
[15:28] <thafreak> could be done
[15:28] <paultag> and node.js realtime stream it
[15:28] <paultag> I have really lofty demands
[15:28] <paultag> (but starting simple is key)
[15:28] <thafreak> there's a python api to controle the salt master...so you could build a rest interface to hit from node.js
[15:29] <paultag> cool
[15:29] <paultag> anyway, later
[15:29] <paultag> first thing is build process
[15:29] <thafreak> later...i got to debug some code
[15:29] <thafreak> cause that's what sys admins do
[15:29] <paultag> alright
[15:29] <thafreak> aparently
[15:29] <thafreak> :-/
[15:29] <paultag> I'll write a build-script :)
[15:29] <thafreak> k, keep me in the loop
[15:30] <paultag> yarp
[15:36] <paultag> thafreak: holy shit, I just did the math. It's going to be over 39 VMs.
[15:37] <thafreak> and how much ram each?
[15:38] <paultag> meh, not much. I'm sure it can be about a gig or so
[15:38] <thafreak> 512mb?
[15:38] <paultag> remember, I'll kick two or three up, build, shut down
[15:38] <paultag> and roll them
[15:38] <thafreak> OH ok
[15:38] <paultag> over more then one physical host
[15:38] <thafreak> not at the same time
[15:38] <paultag> yeah
[15:38] <paultag> no need to do that
[15:38] <paultag> but that's a cool number
[15:38] <paultag> and I have a neat way to show the build status
[15:38] <paultag> anyway, $WORK time
[18:02] <jrgifford> oh yeah, almost forgot. notacon is tomorrow.. will i see any of you folks there?
[18:02] <canthus13> NOpe. I'm going to ILF. :)
[18:03] <Unit193> Nope, I'm not going to either.
[18:03] <Unit193> yano was asking about it.
[18:29] <thafreak> really wanted to go to notacon this year, but we started finishing the basement, so i'll be in my basement every weekend for the forseeable future
[18:57] <thafreak> so, exchange server converts mail sent in plain text to html...
[18:58] <thafreak> WTF
[18:58] <thafreak> what kind of shitty mailserver alters the contents of your mail messages...
[18:58] <paultag> right?
[18:58] <paultag> at least gmail does it on the front-end
[18:59] <thafreak> well...hmmm
[18:59] <paultag> so if I use mutt / smtp
[18:59] <paultag> it works
[18:59] <thafreak> i'm using a middleware that scrapes their web interface and provides imap
[18:59] <paultag> groooooooos
[18:59] <paultag> §
[18:59] <thafreak> maybe that's wy
[18:59] <paultag> wow, forgot I had that allias
[19:00] <thafreak> cause the all knowing exchange admins decided that imap is a security risk and disabled it
[19:00] <paultag> idjits
[19:00] <thafreak> SO, i need to use davmail so I can run thunderbird
[19:00] <BiosElement2> *waves*
[19:00]  * thafreak hides
[19:01] <BiosElement2> *kicks thafreak* >.>
[19:01]  * thafreak ouch WTF
[19:01] <BiosElement2> The ninja strikes :P
[19:01] <thafreak> damn ninjas
[19:01] <BiosElement2> How's it goin folks?
[19:04] <Unit193> The ninja waves before an attack? This may be the less-than-average ninja.
[19:04] <BiosElement2> Ninja's don't need stealth anymore, everyone ignores them so we can afford to be polite before striking. ;)
[19:51] <paultag> hey BiosElement2
[19:51] <Unit193> Hello paultag, did you enjoy the game canthus13 sent you?
[19:51] <BiosElement2> Hey paultag ^_^
[19:51] <paultag> fffffuuuuuu
[19:51] <paultag> *the* game
[19:51]  * canthus13 slaps Unit193 with a large trout.
[19:52] <Unit193> ...I'm sorry, I couldn't help it!
[19:52] <canthus13> neither could I. :)
[19:52]  * canthus13 has this weird large trout reflex.
[19:52] <Unit193> I don't normally follow along with that, buuut.
[19:57] <thafreak> JERKS!
[22:18] <BiosElement2> Sure got quiet fast when the fish attacked ;P
[22:54]  * canthus13 waves hsi trout warningly at BiosElement2.
[22:55] <Unit193> Hsi? What's that? :---D
[22:55] <yano> jrgifford, you are going to notacon?
[22:56] <Unit193> I'd guess so by how he said it.