[17:42] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: seems like my question has been answered in the other channel i was informed the following here's some merging going on between the two (32-bit and 64-bit) systems
[17:42] <filo1234> i use irssi like irc client, is possible to open browser link from konsole without make cut and paste on browser?
[17:42] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj:  in the following sense in the sense that most of the architecture specific code is almost the same for i386-arch and x86-64
[17:42] <ShadowKnight> I accidentally removed the K menu. how do I get it back?
[17:43] <pag> ShadowKnight, right click on panel -> add aplett -> k menu
[17:44] <ShadowKnight> oh, thanks. I looked for it there, i can't believe I didn't see it.
[17:44] <ShadowKnight> I must've typed "kmenu" into the search instead of "k menu"
[17:45] <ShadowKnight> Thanks a lot.
[17:45] <pag> np :)
[17:45] <ShadowKnight> Another thing... is it possible to modify the size and appearance of panels other than the main Kicker one?
[17:47] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[17:47] <ActionParsnip> i cant get java :(
[17:48] <ActionParsnip> i noticed in adept
[17:49] <pag> ShadowKnight, alt+f2 -> kcontrol -> desktop -> panel -> drop-down menu which reads "main panel"
[17:49] <pag> ActionParsnip, sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre  iirc
[17:50] <ShadowKnight> Ah, thanks again.
[17:50] <ActionParsnip> pag: im on amd64, still good?
[17:50] <ActionParsnip> pag: with 64bit linux
[17:50] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: yes it is
[17:50] <pag> ActionParsnip, not sure... try apt-cache search sun |grep java
[17:50] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: im using sun-java6-jre no problems
[17:50] <eagles0513875> im on hardy 64bit
[17:51] <XeL> Hi, is KDE 4 for Ubuntu is stable now?
[17:51] <pag> XeL, define stable ;)
[17:52] <pag> XeL, it won't crash on you every now and then, but I wouldn't call it usable just yet
[17:52] <XeL> pag, so nobody is sure :(
[17:53] <ActionParsnip> ok, its downloading
[17:53] <ActionParsnip> where does the symlink in ~/.mozilla/plugins get made to please
[17:53] <pag> XeL, you can try for yourself if it suits your need :-)
[17:54] <XeL> ok. pag, thanks
[17:54] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: where do you symlink to please dude?
[17:54] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: for java for firefox
[17:54] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: i didnt symlink anything
[17:55] <eagles0513875> i just let it install in like normal
[17:55] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: erm ok cool
[17:55] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: ill ttyl
[17:55] <ActionParsnip> usually theres some cd ~/.mozilla/plugins; ln -s /path/to/libjava_olj.so .
[17:55] <eagles0513875> off to the beach with what ever is left of the afternoon
[17:55] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: try it trust me on that
[17:56] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: wll do bro
[17:56] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: have a blast dude
[17:56] <morslok> anybody know how to change the default resolution of the login screen?
[17:56] <ActionParsnip> morslok: its the leftmost resolution in your xorg.conf
[17:57] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: will do
[17:57] <ActionParsnip> morslok: make a backup of xorg.conf and edit it, move the res you want to be first on the left
[17:58] <ActionParsnip> morslok: ALWAYS make a backup of .conf files so you can always revert if things go bad
[18:00] <morslok> ActionParsnip: under which section?
[18:01] <morslok> screen?
[18:01] <Pennycook> ActionParsnip: As far as I know, (true) Java won't work in Firefox on 64 bit.  If you want to use Java applets, you'll need to use OpenJDK (which isn't complete) or run the 32 bit verison of FIrefox + 32 bit Java.
[18:02] <ActionParsnip> Pennycook: yeah i had ff32 but wanted to see the hubub abt ff3
[18:02] <ActionParsnip> why cant sun pull their finger out faster
[18:02] <ActionParsnip> its sun!
[18:09] <hacker> hi
[18:09] <hacker> 有人吗？
[18:10] <ActionParsnip> Pennycook: well youtube works so i mustve done something right
[18:11] <ixenakis> hi
[18:11] <hacker> 这是中国的频道吗？
[18:11] <Tm_T> hacker: english please
[18:11] <window> !past
[18:11] <window> !paste
[18:11] <hacker> o
[18:12] <genii> !cn | hacker
[18:12] <hacker> thanks
[18:12] <hacker> ^^
[18:12] <hacker> bye
[18:16] <window> !pastebin
[18:17] <window> does somebody mind helping me with my network settings?
[18:17] <window> my network works PERFECT for say 30 minutes and then for some reason everything sets to some other setting, by itself
[18:21] <genii> window: Sounds something like: You're on wireless and it loses the signal. So it then tries to latch onto the next available wireless access point.
[18:22] <window_> I'm sorry, I was disconnected again, does anybody have an idea as to why my network connection has a mind of its own? It seems to default or reset to an old setting at random
[18:22] <mariechristine> hello
[18:22] <window_> please hurry, i may be disconnected again
[18:22] <mariechristine> do yoi speack french ??
[18:22] <monkeybritches> window_: Mine does that too
[18:22] <monkeybritches> It seems to be a bug
[18:22] <window_> must be a default monkeybritches
[18:23] <monkeybritches> I got it working with the ethtool command
[18:23] <window_> ...does it jump around with its settings anymore?
[18:24] <monkeybritches> But my biggest complaint is it doesn't consistently accept dynamic addresses
[18:24] <ActionParsnip> window: you got latest updates?
[18:24] <window_> Action, everytime i update the connectoin drops and it says "cannot complete update" and "error" oh the irony
[18:24] <monkeybritches> It's working *now* but it's inconsistent, I can't explain why
[18:24] <ActionParsnip> window: does it stay connected if you set your ip statically
[18:24] <window_> yes
[18:24] <window_> and i keep it static now
[18:24] <ActionParsnip> window: good
[18:25] <ActionParsnip> dhcp is the devils work
[18:25] <monkeybritches> !fr | mariechristine
[18:26] <ActionParsnip> window: is it better if you stand close to the access point?
[18:30] <ActionParsnip> window: does it happen on any other systems
[18:32] <window__> but for some reason it just says "screw u, i don't like <IP_ADDRESS> i prefer <IP_ADDRESS>" and so it switches to that, OUTA NOWHERE, it just did it now!
[18:32] <window__> when i close the network settings page it says "apply or discard settings changes" if i click either i get disconnected
[18:33] <ActionParsnip> window__: edit your /etc/network/interfaces file and make it a static IP instead
[18:33] <window__> ah!
[18:33] <window__> wait, how do i get there via graphic means?
[18:34] <ActionParsnip> window__: konsole
[18:34] <window__> one sec
[18:34] <ActionParsnip> or run kdesudo kate /etc/network/interfaces
[18:35] <window__> !pastebin
[18:35] <ActionParsnip> window__: once its open, save it in the same place as a different name (this backs it up) :)
[18:35] <window__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21186/
[18:35] <window__> it seems to be right, but what is the loopback thing?
[18:36] <ActionParsnip> window__: your system needs that to communicate with itself
[18:36] <window__> mk
[18:37] <window__> !pastebin
[18:37] <ActionParsnip> window__: do you use wep / wpa etc?
[18:37] <ActionParsnip> window__: you said you use wireless?
[18:38] <ActionParsnip> eth0 is usually the wired interface
[18:38] <window__> no I'm not wireless haha
[18:39] <ActionParsnip> ok cool
[18:39] <ActionParsnip> then that looks fine to me
[18:40] <ActionParsnip> you could add network and broadcast addresses but they arent massively needed
[18:40] <ActionParsnip> unless anyone knows different
[18:44] <BadBarbarian> HI anybody home
[18:44] <sincap> guess so
[18:44] <BadBarbarian> i need some help with Kubuntu 6.06.1 LTS (Dapper Drake)
[18:45] <BadBarbarian> i installed it in text mode because it would'nt install any other way
[18:46] <BadBarbarian> no greeb is installed and it boots both to your distro and xpx64
[18:46] <ActionParsnip> sup bad
[18:47] <BadBarbarian> but all drivers load than i get to the Kubuntu screen with the bar and it stops loading
[18:47] <ActionParsnip> BadBarbarian: dapper is gonna take a lot of upgrading dude
[18:47] <BadBarbarian> problem with my q6600
[18:48] <BadBarbarian> got the dvd
[18:48] <window> *sigh* i'm sick of this, wth is wrong with my pc
[18:49] <window> when i have the network settings thingopen it asks to apply settings, so i do, then it starts working, butwhen i close network settings it says "apply or discard" and if i click either one i get booted offline
[18:49] <window> !pastebin
[18:49] <BadBarbarian> ok can i have a link to the best distro for a noob
[18:49] <window> anyone? please hurry, my connection is the devil
[18:50] <window> badbarbarian, use Ubuntu
[18:50] <ActionParsnip> BadBarbarian: try disabling splash at boot to watch the output
[18:51] <ActionParsnip> BadBarbarian: backup your menu.list
[18:51] <BadBarbarian> ok is there a command i need to know on boot
[18:51] <BadBarbarian> it has not fully booted yet
[18:52] <window> can somebody help with my network? it seems to work for a while, then some different settings kick in for no eff n reason and It stops working, it just did it again!
[18:52] <window> please please hurry, it's very unstable
[18:53] <window> i mean, WHY would it just outa nowhere decide to switch settings?
[18:53] <ActionParsnip> BadBarbarian: so you get a prompt?
[18:54] <window> !pastebin
[18:54] <window> ah hell
[18:54] <window> i'm setting everything up as root
[18:54] <ActionParsnip> BadBarbarian: if you backup your menu.list file you can edit it to remove the splash screen and you can watch your system boot without the stupid thing in the way
[18:56] <window> !pastebin
[18:56] <window> oh good
[18:56] <window> anyway, please please hurry, is there a way to just pin down my settings so it can't just f-ing run around doing whatever it pleases?
[18:56] <jhutchins_wk> window: How fresh is your install?  I take it you're running Hardy?
[18:57] <BadBarbarian> installed last night
[18:58] <nightrow> Hi, i have found a small problem on kde4 on kubuntu : when i launch a torrent file and ktorrent is already running, torrent is added but i got a window saying "Kdeinit could not lauch ktorrent"
[18:59] <ActionParsnip> window: what kubuntu you on?
[18:59] <nightrow> is this a kubuntu or a kde4 issue ? i want to report the bug
[18:59] <window_> hardy
[18:59] <ActionParsnip> window_: and running kde3 or 4?
[18:59] <window_> i dunno, how do i find out?
[18:59] <ActionParsnip> window_: does your desktop look black and vista-ish
[19:00] <window_> it's blue, kinda OS X like
[19:00] <ActionParsnip> cool kde3
[19:00] <ActionParsnip> window_: did you md5 check your cd when you'd burned it?
[19:00] <ActionParsnip> window_: and the iso?
[19:01] <window_> yes
[19:01] <window_> 0 errors in 0 files
[19:02] <ActionParsnip> window_: you dont get that when you md5 check, you get a code and a program compares it to another file and it says its ok
[19:02] <window_> it says 0 erros in the "check cd for errors" or something and the md5 checksum or whatever came out fine
[19:03] <ActionParsnip> window_: does it do the same in the live cd environment?
[19:03] <window_> yup
[19:03] <window_> seems to be some sorta default setting
[19:04] <ActionParsnip> window_: what nic do you have?
[19:04] <window_> nic?
[19:04] <ActionParsnip> network interface card
[19:04] <window_> Realtek 8139
[19:05] <ActionParsnip> 8139c?
[19:05] <window_> yessum
[19:06] <ActionParsnip> window_: do you dual boot?
[19:06] <window_> yes i has Windows XP
[19:06] <ActionParsnip> thought so
[19:06] <window_> 0.0
[19:06] <ActionParsnip> you havent been googling have you
[19:07] <window_> i can't XD i'm stuck offline
[19:07] <ActionParsnip> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/realtek-813981688169-on-<IP_ADDRESS>-or-newer-593495/
[19:07] <ActionParsnip> window_: could have used another pc maybe
[19:07] <ActionParsnip> its weird how things work when search engines are used..people will earn one day
[19:08] <c0rle0n3> does anyone knows how to create pure-ftpd virtual users in kubuntu
[19:08] <c0rle0n3> what is in the manual doesnt work
[19:09] <ActionParsnip> c0rle0n3: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/pureftp.htm
[19:09] <c0rle0n3> I followed that
[19:09] <c0rle0n3> not working, virtual users cannot connect
[19:09] <window_> hm, actionparsnip, do you think even though i'm getting SOME connection this could be the problem?
[19:09] <window_> (as i said, i can't even get to google"
[19:10] <ActionParsnip> window_: it may be still tied to the rubbish on the other partition of your system, it needs freeing
[19:10] <window_> -.- actionparsnip....
[19:10] <window_> i'm going to hunt u down
[19:11] <window_> and give u a huge hug, in public
[19:11] <ActionParsnip> c0rle0n3: enable logging in the daemon and see if the connection is registered
[19:11] <ActionParsnip> window_: better now?
[19:11] <window_> we'll see XD
[19:11] <window_> but as i said, i couldn't reach google in the first place
[19:11] <c0rle0n3> ActionParsnip: how can I do that?
[19:11] <ActionParsnip> c0rle0n3: i dunno, i dont run an ftp server dude
[19:12] <ActionParsnip> c0rle0n3: /var/log/pureftpd.log
[19:12] <ActionParsnip> maybe?
[19:12] <ActionParsnip> c0rle0n3: i just googled that up
[19:14] <diceman> d
[19:14] <ActionParsnip> c0rle0n3: try sudo apt-get install kpum
[19:14] <ActionParsnip> c0rle0n3: its a gui for the server :)
[19:14] <ActionParsnip> c0rle0n3: or sudo apt-get install pureadmin#
[19:15] <ActionParsnip> without the bang on the end
[19:15] <window_> isn't that called an octothorpe?
[19:15] <ActionParsnip> window_: ?
[19:15] <ActionParsnip> oh sorry its hash
[19:15] <window_> the # is an octothorpe XD
[19:16] <ActionParsnip> ! == bang
[19:16] <window_> that's its name
[19:16] <ActionParsnip> hash bang bin bash
[19:16] <ActionParsnip> #!/bin/bash
[19:16] <ActionParsnip> ')
[19:16] <ActionParsnip> good way to remember the header for bash scripts
[19:16] <ActionParsnip> didnt kow its proper name
[19:17] <ActionParsnip> [ ] <- THOSE are brackets
[19:17] <ActionParsnip> ( ) <- parenthesis
[19:17] <ActionParsnip> { } <- braces
[19:17] <window_> oh.....well....can u google it for me just so i am sure that's what it is? haha
[19:17] <likemindead> Hello all.
[19:17] <likemindead> This is my first time :::ever::: in IRC....
[19:18] <ActionParsnip> A second story says that it is a whimsical creation based on the idea that the symbol looks like a village surrounded by eight fields. Thorp is the Old Norse word for a village, which appears in many English place names
[19:18] <ActionParsnip> likemindead: welcome
[19:18] <likemindead> Thanks!
[19:19] <ActionParsnip> window_: http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-oct1.htm
[19:19] <likemindead> Any chance someone could advise me on my Radeon 7000 and screen flickers?
[19:19] <ActionParsnip> likemindead: ask in here for help with your system but remember to google first
[19:19] <likemindead> Gotcha.
[19:19] <ActionParsnip> likemindead: ok cool, do you have the graphics driver installed?
[19:20] <diceman> someone can help me ?
[19:20] <likemindead> I'm using the open source "ati" driver and having a lot of screen flickers.
[19:20] <window_> oooooooh, neeto
[19:20] <diceman> in installing a window decoration
[19:20] <ActionParsnip> !ati | likemindead
[19:21] <likemindead> So binary is the way to go? Pretty stable?
[19:21] <ActionParsnip> likemindead: give that a go and see how you go. we'll be here to help (I might not, football is on soon)
[19:21] <likemindead> Score.
[19:21] <ActionParsnip> likemindead: seems ok. I use nvidia personally
[19:21] <likemindead> I tried two different Nvidia cards, first one was A
[19:21] <mitsarionas> ActionParsnip: are you spanish or greek by any chance?
[19:22] <ActionParsnip> mitsarionas: English British
[19:22] <ActionParsnip> mitsarionas: why you ask?
[19:22] <likemindead> ....sorry, first one was agp, second was pci-e and my old pavilion 522n can't do either!
[19:22] <mitsarionas> ActionParsnip: cause it's spain vs greece in half an hour
[19:23] <mitsarionas> :)
[19:23] <ActionParsnip> mitsarionas: i just like watching the games
[19:23] <enrique> hola a todos
[19:23] <ActionParsnip> mitsarionas: russia lpay sweden/switzerland at the same time
[19:23] <likemindead> So I settled for a Radeon 7000. I really just needa  new machine. :-/
[19:23] <ActionParsnip> mitsarionas: some sw team
[19:23] <likemindead> Thanks again. Peace....
[19:23] <ActionParsnip> likemindead: if it does what you need at a reasonable speed its fine
[19:24] <ActionParsnip> likemindead: peace out bro
[19:24] <ActionParsnip> likemindead: i say peace loads
[19:24] <ActionParsnip> :D
[19:24] <mitsarionas> really? though only the euro matches were on
[19:24] <likemindead> Yeah, speed is okay, but there are constant and minor, but annoying flickers accross the screen.
[19:25] <mitsarionas> anyways... could anyone tell me what's the proper/best way to install latest xorg, video drivers and so on on hardy?
[19:26] <Pennycook> ActionParsnip: YouTube = Flash =/= Java
[19:27] <ActionParsnip> Pennycook: why does it moan about java plugins then sometimes
[19:28] <Pennycook> I've never heard of that before.  Are you sure it isn't talking about JavaScript?
[19:28] <ActionParsnip> Pennycook: java != javascript?
[19:28] <Pennycook> No, common mistake though.
[19:29] <ActionParsnip> so whats java script?
[19:29] <ActionParsnip> I know what java is
[19:29] <Pennycook> It's a scripting language that is used in lots of web pages.
[19:31] <ActionParsnip> so wheres the java bit come in
[19:31] <ActionParsnip> surely the name is intelligent in some way
[19:32] <Pennycook> Something to do with Sun, I think.  They changed the name to JavaScript at some point even though it's nothing to do with Java.
[19:32] <ActionParsnip> confusing a little
[19:33] <Pennycook> Mm.  But anyway, we're a little off-topic.  I'd recommend Wikipedia if you want to learn more about it.
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> Pennycook: ok, i removed the link to the plugin and youtube works fine
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> Pennycook: im not that bothered, my rig does what its supposed to
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> got firefox3 too, not really noticed a difference
[19:35] <genii> ActionParsnip: javascript is a convention Netscape used to have that became commonly adapted
[19:37] <ActionParsnip> well netscape became mozilla
[19:37] <genii> ActionParsnip: Netscape Navigator was absorbed by AOL. But we become off-topic again.
[19:37] <ActionParsnip> were always off topic it seems :)
[19:38] <ActionParsnip> are there any FF3 skins except the default?
[19:39] <Assurbanipal> hi, can somebody plz help me out with KDE
[19:39] <Assurbanipal> ?
[19:40] <Pennycook> !ask | Assurbanipal
[19:40] <Assurbanipal> i just installed it and lovin it...but still need help guys...
[19:40] <Assurbanipal> i cannot enable advanced desktop effects
[19:40] <Assurbanipal> how do i do it?
[19:41] <TameLion> K menu -> system settings -> desktop
[19:41] <TameLion> You'll need to have installed accelerated graphics drivers first though
[19:41] <Assurbanipal> i think this is done already
[19:41] <TameLion> Then you should be good :)
[19:42] <Assurbanipal> how do i check it? because when i last tried to to it... the whole system crashed and i had to reinstal
[19:42] <Assurbanipal> :(
[19:43] <Assurbanipal> how do i check if i am ready to enable it?
[19:44] <TameLion> which brand of graphics card do you have?
[19:44] <Assurbanipal> it is on my laptop, intel 945
[19:44] <Assurbanipal> i had it workin just fine with gnome
[19:44] <Assurbanipal> but i don't know how
[19:44] <ActionParsnip> god its a compiz day today :(
[19:45] <ActionParsnip> Assurbanipal: is it widescreen?
[19:45] <TameLion> ActionParsnip: they're the worst :(
[19:45] <TameLion> heh
[19:45] <Assurbanipal> it is 12 inch
[19:45] <TameLion> Assurbanipal: did you install xserver-xorg-video-intel ?
[19:46]  * TameLion needs food
[19:46] <ActionParsnip> Assurbanipal: is it 16:8 or 4:3 screen
[19:46] <Assurbanipal> now i didnt manualy install anything
[19:46] <ActionParsnip> TameLion: tell me about it
[19:46] <ActionParsnip> Assurbanipal: is your screen widescreen??
[19:46] <Assurbanipal> i don't know mate... i think so...
[19:47] <ActionParsnip> Assurbanipal: you've seen normal tvs and normal tvs
[19:47] <ActionParsnip> Assurbanipal: what make model is your laptop
[19:47] <Assurbanipal> it is lg lw25 pro express dual
[19:48] <ActionParsnip> Assurbanipal: yes, its widescreen
[19:48] <ActionParsnip> Assurbanipal: sudo apt-get install 915resolution
[19:49] <Assurbanipal> are u sure this is what i need?? the last failure scared me... i just finished setting up, don't wanna go back to a new instalation mate...
[19:50] <ActionParsnip> if it doesnt work you can uninstall it
[19:50] <mitsarionas> does anyone know about a "It is not possible to add files bigger than 4,0 GB:" problem in k3b?
[19:50] <Assurbanipal> ok! i go for it now
[19:51] <dwidmann> mitsarionas: well, I think you have to force K3b to use the udf file system if you want huge file support
[19:52] <ActionParsnip> mitsarionas: no idea man, you got the latest updates?
[19:52] <mitsarionas> i'm almost sure it didn't have that problem some days ago
[19:52] <mitsarionas> yeah
[19:52] <Assurbanipal> ok i did it... now what?
[19:52] <Assurbanipal> what's my next step
[19:52] <Assurbanipal> ?
[19:53] <ActionParsnip> Assurbanipal: let me search
[19:54] <ActionParsnip> Assurbanipal: sudo 915resolution -l (ell, not eye)
[19:55] <Assurbanipal> ok, and now?
[19:55] <Assurbanipal> should i restart x?
[19:55] <ActionParsnip> Assurbanipal: http://www.chillnite.com/galleries/using-915resolution-with-kubuntu
[19:56] <ActionParsnip> Assurbanipal: folow that dude
[19:57] <ActionParsnip> Assurbanipal: im, off to watch the game
[19:58] <ActionParsnip> Assurbanipal: search for you graphics card and put ubuntu after it
[19:58] <ActionParsnip> yu'll find what you need
[19:58] <ActionParsnip> peace out kids
[19:59] <Assurbanipal> is it ok that my graffics card is 945gm and i am usin 915 driver?
[19:59] <genii> Assurbanipal: Yes.
[19:59] <Assurbanipal> should i restart x now?
[20:00] <mitsarionas> fglrx 8.6 out!
[20:01] <noaXess> is firefox-3 qt based?
[20:01] <noaXess> qt4?
[20:01] <mitsarionas> gtk i think
[20:05] <noaXess> the look adn feel under kunbuntu is nor really cool with the default them.. is there any way to change that?
[20:06] <Assurbanipal> mate i already have the 1200x800 resolution that is mentioned in the tutorial
[20:07] <Assurbanipal> what should i do next to enable advanced effects?
[20:08] <mitsarionas> Assurbanipal: have you installed compiz through the desktop effects application?
[20:08] <Assurbanipal> i think so...
[20:09] <Assurbanipal> i went to system-desktop effects and then pressed the install buton
[20:09] <mitsarionas> and the previous time you chose standard effects or higher your system crashed?
[20:10] <Assurbanipal> yes
[20:11] <Assurbanipal> shit things don't go well mate!
[20:11] <mitsarionas> :(
[20:11] <Assurbanipal> i disabled now the advanced effects option
[20:14] <Assurbanipal> ok, what do i do?
[20:14] <mitsarionas> advanced effects? where is that?
[20:14] <Assurbanipal> system-desktop effects
[20:15] <Assurbanipal> damn...
[20:15] <Assurbanipal> is there any way to do it?
[20:16] <venik> Can anyone tell me why the printer list appears empty to some applications but not to others?  OpenOffice is OK, but kPDF is not
[20:20] <ivan_> hi, how can i change my keyboards layout??
[20:23] <venik> Can anyone tell me why the printer list appears empty to some applications but not to others?  OpenOffice is OK, but kPDF is not
[20:30] <ivan_> how do i configurate my compiz settings??
[20:30] <Assurbanipal> this is something i need to know too mate!
[20:31] <alucardromero> !compiz | ivan_
[20:32] <Duesentrieb> hi all. do you have a recommendation for a decent kde-based/compatible time tracking program? i want to be able to log on what i'm working when. karm doesn't cut it, and korganizer is overkill and inconvenient for this.
[20:32] <Duesentrieb> any suggestions?
[20:33] <ivan_> #kubuntu-kde
[20:33] <hotpocket> I got nothing, sorry
[20:34] <nightrow> i have a problem on kubuntu : i had compiz handling window, and now that i deinstalled it, i don't have windows border anymore. How can i configure this ?
[20:34] <Danger_XXX> Hi everybody
[20:36] <Danger_XXX> Today I have installed Kubuntu for the first time)) Congratulate me)) now first problem I have encountered with --- How to install internal modem and dial-up connection
[20:36] <hotpocket> how would I remove a ubuntu partition?
[20:36] <hotpocket> im thinking of switching to suse or gentoo
[20:37] <ivan_> how can i change my keyboard layout
[20:37] <FrauHansen> nightrow: try Alt+F2 and type "kwin --replace" [enter] or do the same command on konsole
[20:37] <hotpocket> ivan: system/preferences/keyboard
[20:37] <rafa_> ola
[20:37] <hotpocket> and go to layouts
[20:38] <nightrow> FrauHansen: thanks, that did it
[20:38] <szakulec> I'm having trouble getting KGPG to create a non-1024 bit key
[20:39] <weswh-> you know the only utility kind of thing i feel i lack when I get into kubuntu, is a simple 'search' of a directory tree. is there a way to do this through command line? i just want to see every file under a given set of directories or subdirectories that has the file name "python" anything
[20:40] <Danger_XXX> please help!!! SOS
[20:40] <Danger_XXX> Internal modem on Kubuntu
[20:41] <venik> Can anyone tell me why the printer list appears empty to some applications but not to others?  OpenOffice is OK, but kPDF and Ghostview are not...
[20:41] <codster> I was wondering which one do i download from the following site: there is 2 download's if anyone can help? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/KSmoothDock?content=6585
[20:42] <codster> one says 1.9 Auto Source and the other: Ubuntu (6.06 Kubuntu Binary)
[20:44] <codster> Does kubuntu Open up Deb files?
[20:45] <Stevenab> hihi
[20:45] <algyz> codster:  sure
[20:45] <Stevenab> anyone wanna help a nab out? :)
[20:45] <algyz> prbbly
[20:45] <Stevenab> having some issues
[20:46] <Stevenab> or 1 to be precise
[20:47] <codster> i have downloaded a Ksmoothdock and its 3.5.9 .deb? is that correct to use?
[20:47] <Stevenab> can i bother anyone? regarding my nvidia config
[20:48] <FoxIII> Stevenab, don't ask to ask.
[20:48] <Stevenab> i will shoot
[20:49] <ivan_> hi, on my first update im stuck in configurin new ssl-cert ive been there for almos an hour what it may be and what can i do??
[20:49] <Mr_Pan> do u know a vpn client for hardy   ? ?
[20:50] <ivan_> Mr_Pan, talking to me??
[20:50] <Stevenab> i've just installed ubantu, switched to kubantu straght after (prefered the look) installed nvidia drivers/nvidia-config and the resolution looks pretty piss poor tbh, am i missing something? i've got it mazed out but wont seem to go as far as it is capable of res wise
[20:50] <Stevenab> *kubuntu
[20:50] <FoxIII> Mr_Pan, Cisco have a vpn client which is for hardy.
[20:50] <jussi01> !fixres | Stevenab
[20:51] <Mr_Pan> ivan_, no :D
[20:51] <mitsarionas> Mr_Pan: you can use openvpn, and knetwormanager can be used as a frontend to it too
[20:51] <Mr_Pan> ok thank mitsarionas FoxIII
[20:51] <mitsarionas> np
[20:51] <Stevenab> *reads* ty :)
[20:51] <FoxIII> codster, The current version of ksmoothdock is 4.5. Link here > http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=6585
[20:52] <codster> okay
[20:52] <jussi01> Stevenab: hope ithelps :)
[20:52] <Stevenab> so do i :) dont like to harras here, been trawling the forums to no avail tho
[20:52] <Stevenab> i'll let you know how it goes :)
[20:52] <codster> this is the link i gave? i dont know which one to download
[20:52] <Stevenab> on a mission to get rid of dirteh windows :)
[20:52] <codster> there is 2 download links, and their both diffrent
[20:53] <FoxIII> That's what everyone is here for Stevenab :)
[20:53] <Stevenab> hehe
[20:53] <Stevenab> ya, but i prefer to find the answer myself on forums, kinda gave in tho :)
[20:53] <FoxIII> codster, sec. I'll have a look for you.
[20:53] <codster> Sourccode 1.9automake and .Deb (6.06kubuntu)
[20:53] <Stevenab> oh, you mean to get rid of winblows
[20:53] <Stevenab> lol
[20:53] <codster> its confusing me on which one to get,
[20:53] <Stevenab> too tru
[20:54] <codster> windoze vist-duh,
[20:54] <Stevenab> hehe, had that installed for a whole week before i formatted
[20:54] <Stevenab> bloated poo that it is
[20:54] <codster> nothing against windows, i use it often. hasnt been a pain for me like what some say.
[20:55] <codster> XP that ism
[20:55] <FoxIII> codster, As it has an automake link there, I would check adept to see what version is in there. If the same version, get from there otherwise you will need to download the 1.9 version. You will need the 6.06 one for definite though.
[20:55] <codster> so i need both?
[20:55] <Stevenab> I generally get on well with xp, but i havnt actually done anything that would require me to use windows, so thought i'd make good use of the resourses of my pc, rather than windows hogging them :) might learn something too ;p
[20:55] <hotpocket> I'm so excited
[20:55] <FoxIII> I would guess so. I haven't tried installing this yet.
[20:56] <Stevenab> ok, bbiab :)
[20:56] <Stevenab>  /pitches tent
[20:56] <codster> well windows doesnt always hog you can configure it not too. and plus if you get SP3 it really speeds up your machine, i can run windows with just 256Megs of ram, and its still fast with CS2. but this is offtopic :(
[20:56] <Stevenab> hehe
[20:57] <codster> FoxIII, how do search for it? i already tried Ksmooth and nothing comes up..
[20:58] <FoxIII> codster, I wouldn't think ksmoothdock will be in the repositories. You can search for the automake though. Go into adept and type automake in the search field.
[20:58] <codster> okay,
[21:00] <FoxIII> !wireless
[21:01] <codster> Has anyone ever see a monitor go Pink befor? just outta the blue? Mine is starting to do this, and i know of 2 people this happend to already..
[21:01] <FoxIII> codster, Do you have any speakers close to the monitor? Have you tried a deguazz?
[21:01] <codster> Just goes straight pink, ruins all the colours in windows not soo much kubuntu, i find if you punch the monitor that it generally fixes this, but i can only take so much punching it is CRT btw.
[21:01] <codster> yes
[21:02] <codster> and no
[21:02] <codster> i dont have speakers/did degauss
[21:02] <FoxIII> hmm. Anything near that would be causing a magnetic field? Perhaps a mobile? Anything electric?
[21:02] <codster> lol my knuckles hurt. but there must be a reason why CRT's do this?
[21:02] <codster> nope
[21:02] <codster> wait my PC
[21:03] <codster> thats the way my uncle and friend had theirs, PC tower beside the monitor, maybe its the HDD?
[21:03] <codster> I thought maybe it was the heat?
[21:03] <FoxIII> codster, if it's right next to the monitor, then it could be the problem. Move it away from the monitor. I wouldn't say it was the heat. They should be able to deal with that.
[21:03] <codster> okay
[21:03] <codster> well i just moved it now, it was bothering me.
[21:04] <codster> it hasnt happend yet but over long periods of time, (usually when i have my tower on but PC  off) it fixes when i run a full screen program thats white background'd
[21:04] <codster> pc=monitor sorry <--thought would be an oxymoron that i wrote.
[21:05] <FoxIII> np. Let us know how you get on with that.
[21:05] <codster> lol, well i have installed automake 1.9
[21:07] <codster> Once i install Automake1.9 i can just download the Automake download? in the KDE-look.org link for Ksmoothdock.
[21:08] <FoxIII> hmm. All: I have internet connection on windoze (obviously. I'm here), but not in kubuntu Hardy. How can I set up my wireless network without being able to download packages?
[21:08] <FoxIII> codster, I assume you mean that now you have installed automake, you can install ksmoothdock. If that's the case, then yes.
[21:08] <codster> okay
[21:08] <codster> just the automake 1.9 link?
[21:08] <codster> or the debian?
[21:09] <FoxIII> codster, no. You'll want the kubuntu 6.06 link.
[21:09] <codster> ohh okay
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> any vista skins for FF3?
[21:11] <dimitri> hi, how can i fix the volume keys on my laptop (HP Pavillion)? they were originally working when i did a install but i changed my keymaps & they lost their functionality... thanks
[21:11] <FoxIII> ActionParsnip, have you searched the firefox website?
[21:12] <ActionParsnip> FoxIII: indeed, only comes up with FF2 skins which dont work
[21:12] <FoxIII> Then apart from a google search for the same, I would say not at the current time.
[21:12] <ActionParsnip> FoxIII: Ive seen loads of screenshots but no download
[21:12] <ActionParsnip> FoxIII: fair point, just wondered if anyone had one
[21:12] <ActionParsnip> dimitri: remap your keys dude
[21:13] <FoxIII> ah, k. That's cool.
[21:13] <dimitri> ActionParsnip: how?
[21:14] <codster> Actionparsnip, i was looking for some Mac themes, but unfortantently they dont have any FF3 add-ons or themes yet :( i almost wanted to go back to FF2 lol, just have to wait...
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> dimitri: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=172010
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> codster: yeah, its just a gloss, no biggy
[21:14] <gbacon> why is /usr/lib/firefox-3.0/firefox reporting v2.0 in Help -> About?
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> codster: I havent noticed any difference tbh but i dont really hammer my browser i guess
[21:15] <codster> yeah same,
[21:15] <dimitri> thanks ActionParsnip
[21:15] <codster> i hear it only uses 66% less resources then the current browser's like IE/Opera, not sure if that includes FF2?
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> codster: check top while running it
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=uk/1-0&fd=IG&url=http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/18/mozilla_firefox_3_record/&cid=1222777888&ei=TGxZSN_GO4-2xAG_5fW-Dw&usg=AFQjCNFRep1sSOcK4DwNqj9q9nMqIeHUJA
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> ^ Firefox 3 downloads hit 7m despite server FAIL - Register
[21:17] <codster> lol
[21:17] <codster> WOW
[21:18] <Stevenab> hai
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> is there a KDE equiv to conky?
[21:18] <Stevenab> any ideas if i should get chucked an error if my monitor does not support xresprobe?
[21:20] <FoxIII> ActionParsnip, you can use conky in kde
[21:20] <ActionParsnip> FoxIII: superkaramba is looking good :)
[21:21] <codster> FoxIII, it brings me to sourceforge with Kubuntu.deb or Source.tar.gz ?
[21:21] <codster> i dont think i can run debians in 8.04 it always opens with Ark
[21:22] <FoxIII> codster, the deb is the package. You only need the source code if you want to compile it yourself.
[21:22] <codster> uhh, i cant complie
[21:22] <codster> lol,
[21:22] <FoxIII> codster, I'm not on kubuntu at the min so I can't check about the deb. Don't worry. Compiling can be tricky.
[21:22] <codster> so what do i do with the debian? befor with them i could just right click and install it, this one has no option
[21:23] <tekteen> anyone know how to find out what program is listening on a port? like port 80?
[21:25] <graft> how come kubuntu is still so second-rate? I thought mark shuttleworth said he was going to make it a priority
[21:25] <leftbas> i'm having trouble installing realtime kernel
[21:26] <FoxIII> codster, I'll have a look for you, just need to prepare a few things first.
[21:26] <FoxIII> !kernel
[21:26] <FoxIII> graft, Not sure on that one, but everything takes time.
[21:26] <leftbas> second rate, how?
[21:27] <graft> it's basically just unmodified KDE
[21:27] <graft> whereas ubuntu has all sorts of neat hooks built into it
[21:27] <graft> plus the artwork is terrible
[21:27] <leftbas> maybe slightly modified
[21:28] <codster> yeah graft
[21:28] <codster> i know what you mean
[21:28] <graft> for example, in ubuntu i can apparently maintain hardy-proposed repositories just by ticking a box in 'software sources' in preferences
[21:28] <graft> in kubuntu i must vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:29] <leftbas> why not use synaptic, graft?
[21:29] <codster> well look @ the people who use Ubuntu there is thousands
[21:29] <graft> leftbas: well, i AM using KDE... plus that's not synaptic, that's the GNOME system prefs
[21:29] <FoxIII> leftbas, In kubuntu there is adept package manager
[21:29] <Pliskin> graft, you have the same "software sources" with adept
[21:29] <leftbas> graft: sorry, meant adept
[21:30] <graft> Pliskin: have you used adept? it sucks. even the KDE devs say adept sucks
[21:30] <Pliskin> no, it's just different
[21:30] <leftbas> i agree, i rather like it
[21:30] <codster> Adept?
[21:30] <codster> i love adept lol
[21:30] <codster> :D
[21:30] <Pliskin> if you use to it, you'll love it
[21:30] <graft> doubtful
[21:30] <graft> i've tried plenty
[21:30] <Pliskin> codster +1
[21:30] <codster> lol i never knew there was an atlernative
[21:30] <codster> :D
[21:30] <leftbas> i love the filtering capability
[21:30] <graft> anyway, even if i used adept, it wouldn't have a hook for hardy-proposed, since they never made one for it
[21:31] <leftbas> there's used to be...kynaptic, but it's not very mature or well designed
[21:31] <codster> man i couldnt imagine haveing the user named "
[21:31] <codster> the"
[21:31] <codster> shehs, there would be red text everywhere
[21:31] <Pliskin> graft, of course there is the option "proposed"
[21:33] <leftbas> is the rt kernel part of the unsupported repository?
[21:34] <FoxIII> leftbas, rt?
[21:34] <leftbas> FoxIII: real-time
[21:34] <leftbas> having trouble installing it, adept complains it's going to break something
[21:34] <Pliskin> the unsopported is the Back-ports
[21:37] <leftbas> Pliskin: but it shows up without unsupported being checked, it just won't install
[21:37] <lakis1982> hiii .. how do i adjust power settings in kubuntu ??? for example i want to set the computer going to sleep mode after 20 minutes ......
[21:37] <codster> is AMD CPU 900Mhz 32bit still i386?
[21:38] <codster> it is a AMD Duron :spitfire: p4
[21:38] <codster> not sure if its i386?
[21:38] <leftbas> lakis1982:
[21:38] <FoxIII> lakis1982, You can get to the power settings in the same place where you change the screensaver.
[21:39] <leftbas> lakis1982: system settings
[21:39] <davide> amsn
[21:39] <lakis1982> where do i adjust screensaver?
[21:39] <leftbas> right-click on the desktop, and select configure desktop
[21:40] <lakis1982> i am on screensaver but it does not have any power settings
[21:40] <FoxIII> lakis1982, try leftbas' suggestion. Go to system settings. What version of kde you running?
[21:40] <leftbas> he's right, i can't find it either now
[21:40] <lakis1982> kde 3.5.9
[21:40] <Pliskin> leftbas : install what ?
[21:41] <lakis1982> im in system settings
[21:41] <leftbas> Pliskin: the realtime kernel
[21:41] <leftbas> lakis1982: it's in the monitor and display settings
[21:41] <Pliskin> ah, I have no idea, I was thinking you want use the "Proposed" Repo
[21:41] <codster> i cant find out if my CPU supports or is i386?
[21:41] <leftbas> Pliskin: thanks anyway
[21:42] <codster> i read its an i686
[21:42] <lakis1982> im on monitor and siplay settings and then i go to power saving ?
[21:42] <leftbas> that would be i386 compatible
[21:42] <leftbas> lakis1982: yes
[21:42] <Stevenab> someone be so kind as to link me that page again, just lost it
[21:42] <FoxIII> lakis1982, yes. You will be able to control monitor and hard drive power savings.
[21:43] <lakis1982> in power saving there is only one setting .  to switch monitor off after some minutes
[21:43] <lakis1982> nothing else
[21:43] <FoxIII> Stevenab, which page?
[21:43] <Stevenab> having gfx issues
[21:43] <FoxIII> !nvidia
[21:43] <Stevenab> resolution and refresh rate etc
[21:43] <Stevenab> ooh, diff page but ty :)
[21:43] <FoxIII> Try ubottu's link Stevenab
[21:43] <leftbas> sounds like a hibernation setting. if your machine doesn't support it, it might not be an option
[21:43] <Mr_Cheeto> is there anywhere i can get LInux help on the phone?
[21:44] <graft> okay, how do i enable proposed in adept?
[21:44] <lakis1982> so should i install something to be able change power settings?
[21:44] <Mr_Cheeto> I need to know if there is anyone that I could call for Linux help
[21:44] <lakis1982> now theres only about monitor
[21:44] <leftbas> Mr_Cheeto: try this link...
[21:44] <leftbas> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/marketplace/
[21:44] <codster> FoxIII,how do i install that Debian package?
[21:45] <FoxIII> codster, I'm still trying to install kubuntu atm. I'll be there asap. :/
[21:45] <codster> lol
[21:45] <codster> okay
[21:45] <codster> threw VM?
[21:45] <leftbas> lakis1982: you might try installing kpowersave from adept
[21:46] <FoxIII> yeah. Haven't had a spare minute to look at setting up wireless on my kubuntu partition.
[21:47] <lakis1982> hold on
[21:47] <codster> i love firefox, how does it know what i look for?
[21:47] <codster> i type in a local band, its already giving me their songs and covers
[21:47] <codster> :D
[21:48] <leftbas> graft: i don't see that option. i didn't know it even existed, but it might be called something else in adept. not sure
[21:48] <FoxIII> codster, It bases it on database selection and popularity of words.
[21:48] <FoxIII> leftbas, you should be able to do a search for power saving in adept.
[21:49] <leftbas> FoxIII: oh i found the power saving applet, i was referring to enabling 'propsed' in adept. i don't know how to do that
[21:49] <lakis1982> ok it has many settings but can i put kpowersave settings to exist into system settings ?
[21:49] <leftbas> lakis1982: i'm not sure
[21:50] <leftbas> looks like it just runs in the system tray
[21:50] <FoxIII> This is very frustrating. Once I get into kde, I can hopefully help you all!
[21:50] <leftbas> lakis1982: but it has all the options you want, just access them by right-clicking the system tray icon, and selecting configure
[21:51] <codster> lol foxIII, i just want a Macosx theme :D
[21:51] <graft> leftbas: i'm telling you, it ain't there... kubuntu is just second-rate
[21:51] <leftbas> graft: that's a bit of a stretch, just cuz one thing is missing
[21:52] <leftbas> if you wanna start a flame war, graft, you've come to the wrong place
[21:52] <FoxIII> !etiquette
[21:52] <graft> leftbas: yeah, i don't want to start a flame war...
[21:52] <Stevenab> ooh, much better ty :)
[21:52] <leftbas> graft: glad to hear it
[21:53] <leftbas> no one else have any tips on installing the realtime kernel?
[21:54] <FoxIII> !customkernel
[21:54] <codster> last time i started a flamewar, we had to get a new sofa, mum wasnt that impressed
[21:54] <leftbas> lol @ codster
[21:54] <bestpvp> is there a apt-get for pureftpd?
[21:55] <codster> is that an FTP client?
[21:55] <FoxIII> bestpvp, have you tried?
[21:55] <codster> because i need one for my Xbox
[21:55] <dotbl0t> hi
[21:55] <codster> so i can FTP to my Xbox, from PC
[21:55] <bestpvp> it's a server
[21:55] <codster> I know of Filezille, CuteFTP
[21:55] <codster> ohh then thats not good for me..
[21:55] <leftbas> thanks ubottu, but the realtime kernel is already compiled...i have a problem with a dependancy that i can't figure out
[21:55] <codster> lol your talking to a bot..
[21:56] <FoxIII> What's the dependency problem leftbas ?
[21:56] <dotbl0t> anyone knows how to se gamma for xv output in mplayer/vlc it's too much brighter if compared to x11 output
[21:56] <leftbas> sorry, meant that for FoxIII
[21:56] <dotbl0t> ?
[21:56] <FoxIII> !ftp
[21:56] <graft> what happened to ubotu?
[21:57] <leftbas> FoxIII: there seems to be a discrepancy between versions...i want to install 2.6.24-18, but it tries to look for 2.6.24-17, so it gives up
[21:57] <FoxIII> dotbl0t, perhaps try the vlc website.
[21:57] <FrauHansen> dotbl0t: did you try the advanced interface in vlc?
[21:58] <FoxIII> leftbas, what kernel version are you running now?
[21:58] <leftbas> FoxIII: 2.6.24-19
[21:58] <FrauHansen> dotbl0t: there is a slider for gamma
[21:59] <FoxIII> leftbas, So you are downgrading? Are you able to boot into a previous kernel setup?
[21:59] <dotbl0t> yes i tried it
[21:59] <FrauHansen> dotbl0t: you can access it by Ctrl+G
[21:59] <leftbas> FoxIII: i was till i deleted them. 2.6.24-19 was working fine, so i deleted 24.12 and 24.16
[21:59] <FrauHansen> dotbl0t: and it has no effect or what?
[22:00] <dotbl0t> anyway i cannot understand why xv output is too much bright by default both in vlc and mplayer
[22:00] <dotbl0t> compared to x11 output
[22:00] <dotbl0t> that seems to display correct color
[22:00] <FrauHansen> thats strange, indeed
[22:01] <dotbl0t> very very strange
[22:01] <FoxIII> leftbas, I bet you won't do that again will you? :) I'm afraid that I've reached the extent of my knowledge on kernels. I'm sure someone will be here soon though
[22:01] <leftbas> FoxIII: i think i might have figured it out, but the instructions i was following on an ubuntu page didn't work
[22:01] <leftbas> that's fine, thanks...but it's not necessary to keep multiple kernel versions laying around, is it?
[22:01] <leftbas> FoxIII: isn't it just a waste of space?
[22:02] <FoxIII> When I upgrade the kernel, I always keep the previous version there. It doesn't take up that much space.
[22:02] <leftbas> i was for a while, but like i said, since 19 was working fine, i got rid of 12 and 16
[22:02] <graft> yeh... housekeeping
[22:02] <FrauHansen> dotbl0t: are you playing two videos at the same time?
[22:02] <graft> i keep one previous working kernel until i'm sure the current one is fine
[22:02] <dotbl0t> no no
[22:03] <leftbas> but thanks anyway...i think i might have gotten 24.18 installed, so i'm gonna give 'er a reboot to see if i can select it from the grub menu
[22:03] <leftbas> ciao for now
[22:03] <FoxIII> laters
[22:03] <graft> dotbl0t: you know you can adjust brightness via mplayer, right?
[22:04] <codster> FoxIII, dont leave
[22:04] <codster> how do i open a Debian
[22:04] <dotbl0t> yes i know graft
[22:04] <FoxIII> Not going anywhere codster. Nearly in kubuntu now
[22:04] <dotbl0t> but my question is not about that
[22:04] <FrauHansen> dotbl0t: try playing two videos and see if its the same with the second one
[22:04] <codster> okay
[22:04] <codster> lol
[22:04] <codster> :D
[22:04] <dotbl0t> ok i'll try frauhansen
[22:05] <nysin> I was waiting for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scons/+bug/226783 to be resolved - it now is, but though it says fix committed, http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/scons still lists 0.97?
[22:05] <graft> well if i recall, when x11 adjusts video it does it for the entire display, whereas xv does it only for the video window
[22:05] <graft> err, adjusts brightness
[22:06] <FoxIII> codster, Do you want to go ahead and try your kernel bit. Just remembered I'm gonna have to update this thing first!
[22:07] <codster> yeah
[22:07] <codster> what is a kernel bit?
[22:07] <FoxIII> codster, sorry. Got a bit confused between you and someone else.
[22:07] <codster> oh okay,
[22:11] <dotbl0t> ooops the connection was closed
[22:12] <dotbl0t> however if i try to play 2 videos at the same time
[22:12] <dotbl0t> mplayer says that's not able to open the video output
[22:12] <dotbl0t> so i can play only 1 video at time
[22:16] <timthelion> OMG kde 4 is like vista :O
[22:16] <codster> yeah its slow and buggy
[22:16] <codster> :D
[22:17] <timthelion> how do I bring up the k-menu?  Meta doesn't work?
[22:17] <codster> and they might release 7 versions of it..
[22:17] <codster> notsure
[22:17] <timthelion> codster: it's OK, hasn't crashed yet, and it's fast on my admittedly overpowerd comp.
[22:18] <codster> lol
[22:18] <codster> specs?
[22:18] <timthelion> but it looks and acts like vista, it's kind of grose.
[22:18] <engineer> vista ain't buggy
[22:18] <FrauHansen> dotbl0t: have a look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-209986.html
[22:19] <FrauHansen> seem like the same problem dotbl0t
[22:19] <timthelion> codster: It's actually a normal comp 2 gigs of ram, 3 gz cpu, and a fast sata hard drive.  The graphics are generic nvidia 5200fx, but when put next to my OLPC xo...
[22:19] <codster> ohh i see.
[22:19] <codster> not bad.
[22:20] <timthelion> but how do I bring up the k-menu with keyboard?
[22:20] <FoxIII> You could try setting the keymap to use the windoze key perhaps?
[22:21] <timthelion> FoxIII: That turned out to be problematic, there is no k-menu shortcut in the keyboard shortcuts window under settings.
[22:21] <FoxIII> ah. hmm
[22:22] <codster> They should build a PC sectrictly for Kubuntu or Ubuntu
[22:23] <codster> Screw the windows K replace it with an Ubuntu Symbol
[22:23] <codster> key*
[22:23] <codster> wow i cant spell?
[22:23] <timthelion> I'm trying to use this computer to catalogue and back up all my computer data.  I was hopping there was already software for making year based scrapbooks that get automatically backed up too.  But I might have to write my own...  I thought KDE would be a place to start because there are KDE programs like basket...
[22:24] <timthelion> codster: not on a windoz keyboard you can't ;)
[22:25] <dotbl0t> thank you frauhansen
[22:25] <dotbl0t> let's take a look
[22:25] <dotbl0t> damn...
[22:25] <dotbl0t> *** ATTENTION MAINTENANCE ***
[22:25] <dotbl0t> The forums are currently offline while we move our database to a larger disk.
[22:26] <codster> thats the same with shipit ubuntu :(
[22:26] <codster> i tried it yesterday they where offline :(
[22:27] <dotbl0t> :(
[22:27] <dotbl0t> however i would like to ask you another question...
[22:28] <FrauHansen> dotbl0t: i have the page still open, but i don#t see how you can profit from that
[22:28] <dotbl0t> i noticed that very often
[22:28] <dotbl0t> (k)ubuntu seems to freeze for about 30 seconds
[22:29] <dotbl0t> i can still move the mouse pointer
[22:29] <dotbl0t> than it will resume to work normally
[22:29] <codster> LiveCD?
[22:29] <codster> lol
[22:29] <dotbl0t> no
[22:29] <dotbl0t> :D
[22:30] <dotbl0t> just before resuming to work
[22:30] <dotbl0t> the hd flashes
[22:30] <FrauHansen> dotbl0t: here is the html -file of the forum =) : http://uploaded.to/?id=leyvci
[22:30] <dotbl0t> thanks frauhansen
[22:30] <dotbl0t> very kind
[22:31] <FrauHansen> i hope it helps
[22:31] <dotbl0t> me too
[22:31] <dotbl0t> (however sorry if my english is bad, i'm italian)
[22:31] <FoxIII> !it
[22:31] <FrauHansen> nite@all. good luck@ dotbl0t
[22:32] <dotbl0t> nite frau
[22:32] <dotbl0t> it seems he has the same videocard as me
[22:36] <jasen> hello kubuntu
[22:37] <codster> HI i am Kubuntu, you will be seeing alot of me latley how are you jasen,
[22:37] <codster> :D
[22:37] <jasen> anybody here have any luck setting up a samba share from a vista64 pro to a 8.04?
[22:38] <jasen> lol
[22:38] <jasen> I tried the ZDnet instructions... but they return an error :)
[22:39] <codster> i wish FoxIII, would be done kubuntu :D
[22:39] <codster> i almost have a fully not so functional mac :D
[22:40] <codster> anyone ever use Xlink Kai?
[22:40] <jasen> soo sad is me.... I have to keep my third pc with xp so I can move files :/
[22:40] <FoxIII> codster, I wish too. Network is *so* slow today for some reason.
[22:40] <codster> yeah i know
[22:41] <codster> it was for me too
[22:44] <codster> i upgraded from 7.04 to 8.04
[22:50] <Stevenab> hehe, got wow working
[22:50] <Stevenab> anyone got any decent fps tweaks before i go hunting ;p
[22:51] <jasen> nooooo run from WoW
[22:51] <Stevenab> eh?
[22:51] <Stevenab> gawd i missed irc
[22:51] <jasen> it will swallow your soul\
[22:51] <jasen> :P
[22:51] <Stevenab> haha, i got a mod that shouts that when my ss expires ;)
[22:52] <jasen> I played for 3 years....
[22:52] <Stevenab> i played for 1.5
[22:52] <jasen> it was enough
[22:52] <Stevenab> too much already
[22:52] <Stevenab> addicted
[22:52] <jasen> lol
[22:52] <Stevenab> taking a step down tho
[22:52] <Stevenab> so thought id try linux :)
[22:52] <judax> embrace your addictions!
[22:52] <Stevenab> lol
[22:52] <jasen> (just started AoC)
[22:52] <Stevenab> i gave up smooking pot 6 months agop, now im an alcaholoc wow junkie ;p
[22:53] <Stevenab> ooh. my pc would prob cry tho
[22:53] <judax> I just bought that, have not logged in, but I will soon enough
[22:53] <Stevenab> 2.2 dual core 2gb ram, would it work?
[22:53] <jasen> depends on your video card
[22:53] <Stevenab> hmmn
[22:53] <jasen> just built a 3.0 dual with 4gb ram and a 9800gxt.... runs sweet
[22:53] <Stevenab> lol, i'd have to open the case up to check
[22:54] <judax> I have same setup, but with an 8800, have yet to try it
[22:54] <Stevenab> ah, its an 8600
[22:55] <jasen> 8600 is sufficient
[22:55] <Stevenab> klkl
[22:55] <jasen> not sweet though
[22:55] <Stevenab> meh, i'll cope ;p
[22:55] <jasen> :)
[22:55] <Stevenab> 2 months ago it was a 5700 ;p
[22:55] <Stevenab> ati
[22:56] <Stevenab> wow cried, lots
[22:56] <jasen> lol
[22:56] <Stevenab> my processor also died
[22:56] <Stevenab> ....lots
[22:56] <Stevenab> was a bit of a random mish mash of bits
[22:56] <Stevenab> got fed up and conned my wife one day
[22:56] <Stevenab> it worked a treat ^^
[22:57] <jasen> what did you have to surrender?
[22:57] <Stevenab> haha, nuthhin
[22:57] <Stevenab> i own her ;p
[22:57] <jasen> lol...
[22:57] <Stevenab> she had my child, shes mine now ;p
[22:58] <Stevenab> my gawd, i feel clean, ditching windows n all
[22:58] <Stevenab> you guys n gals linux pros?
[22:59] <Stevenab> anything i can ditch to speed things up generally,
[22:59] <Stevenab> i understand it's modular, but anythingf helps :)
[22:59] <Corty> Hi
[23:00] <Stevenab> hihi
[23:01] <genii> e/me hands out coffees
[23:01] <genii> hmm
[23:02]  * genii hands out coffees
[23:02] <genii> Better
[23:02] <genii> Stevenab: Kubuntu tends to work a lot faster without strigi if you have that installed.
[23:03] <Stevenab> ooh, coffee is a change from merlot
[23:03] <Stevenab> oh, as my name suggest im a nab
[23:04] <Stevenab> how would i check/disable that?
[23:04] <Stevenab> i'm up for a wow/surfing/irc stylee system with thrown in moosic :)
[23:04] <jasen> nab?
[23:05] <Stevenab> noob
[23:05] <Stevenab> beginner :)
[23:05] <jasen> nub
[23:05] <jasen> aah
[23:05] <genii> Stevenab: Add/Remove programs. Then type strigi  in the search pane. If it has a checkmark then it's installed
[23:05] <genii> no check = not installed
[23:06] <Stevenab> disabled :) ty
[23:06] <jasen> Genii, have you any experience with vista/kubuntu shares?
[23:06] <Stevenab> i'm all for fps tbh
[23:07] <genii> jasen: I deal with samba quite a lot, yes.
[23:07] <Stevenab> spent about 3 hours trying to get my 22" gfx sorted today, cracking fun
[23:07] <Stevenab> almost ran out of beer
[23:07] <Stevenab> pfft
[23:07] <jasen> lol
[23:07] <genii> jasen: You want linux share accessibly from windows or other way around?
[23:08] <jasen> from vista to linux...
[23:08] <jasen> smb4k doesn't work to vista
[23:09] <jasen> and I tried the zdnet instructions for mounting a vista share
[23:09] <jasen> but I get an error message (connection refused) when I try
[23:10] <javierpc> hola buenas tardes
[23:10] <jasen> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=238   (the zdnet article)
[23:11] <genii> jasen: Vista wants a different version of the protocol by default than XP or 98 did. http://www.paulfarrow.com/archive/2007/05/14/accessing-vista-via-smbclient.aspx      shows you how to set it back to XP behaviour
[23:12] <codster> FoxIII, did u get it working?
[23:12] <jasen> tnx Genii... I will give it a shot :)
[23:12] <jasen> brb
[23:13] <codster> i have a perfect Mac OSX theme but stuck without the Dock :(
[23:13] <codster> i dont know how to install debian packages
[23:13] <FoxIII> codster, Not yet. I'm still updating. Gonna have to leave it overnight! :(
[23:13] <genii> jasen: Also you may want to install smbfs package if you were tryig the way they suggest on that site
[23:14] <javierpc> alguien en español que desee platic ar
[23:14] <FoxIII> !es
[23:14] <codster> uhh to slow, forme
[23:14] <jasen> smbfs is installed :)
[23:14] <codster> i was just about to type it
[23:16] <FoxIII> codster, in konsole, move to the dir with the ksmoothdock package in and type: dpkg -i ksmoothdock.deb (or whatever the filename is) and see if that works
[23:16] <codster> okay
[23:17] <genii> Work needs me here on and off so if I seem unresponsive at first please have patience.
[23:17] <codster> FoxIII, its on my Desktop
[23:17] <codster> how would it know it is there?
[23:19] <FoxIII> codster, when you are in konsole, type: cd Desktop and then: ls     This will bring up a list of what you have on your desktop. Then you can type: dpkg -i whatever.deb
[23:19] <codster> it says no such file or directory
[23:19] <codster> okay
[23:19] <engineer> cd ~
[23:19] <FoxIII> !konsole
[23:19] <engineer> cd Desktop && ls
[23:19] <codster> okay
[23:19] <engineer> dpkg -i *.deb
[23:19] <engineer> or
[23:20] <engineer> sudo dpkg -i /home/<user>/Desktop/*.deb
[23:20] <codster> it worked withonly
[23:20] <codster> the one command
[23:20] <codster> sudo dpkg -i smoothdock.deb
[23:20] <codster> and it unpacked and setting up"
[23:21] <codster> and it brings me to a new line so i think i did it?
[23:21] <codster> perfect :D
[23:21] <codster> its working
[23:22] <FoxIII> codster, good. How are you running it? Through konsole or ALT-F2 ?
[23:22] <codster> konsole?
[23:23] <codster> its not looking to much like a mac thou
[23:23] <codster> it looks like garbage :(
[23:23] <engineer> kxdock?
[23:23] <engineer> tried that?
[23:23] <codster> no ksmoothdock
[23:23] <FoxIII> codster, it could be just the settings.
[23:23] <codster> it doesnt look anything like a mac
[23:24] <FoxIII> codster, I have to get off now, but you be here tomorrow? I can have a look tomorrow and try it out.
[23:24] <codster> yeah
[23:24] <codster> sure
[23:24] <FoxIII> cool.
[23:24]  * FoxIII waves bye
[23:25] <codster> *how do you do that*
[23:25] <codster> hello*
[23:25] <_sourcemaker> how can I start a remote kde session via kde?
[23:25] <_sourcemaker> with ssh...
[23:26] <genii> !freenx
[23:26] <genii> Also you can use X forwarding over ssh
[23:27] <filo1234> someone use irssi?
[23:27] <wimpies> my 'less' command in konsole no longer accepts PgUp or cursor keys under root (under regular user it does).  Why ?
[23:29] <DanaKil> hello :)
[23:37] <home__> what nobody has problems with Kubuntu :D
[23:37] <home__> :D
[23:37] <DanaKil> me ! me !
[23:37] <DanaKil> :)
[23:37] <home__> lol
[23:38] <Dillizar> whats you problem
[23:38] <Dillizar> :D
[23:38] <DanaKil> hmm, are you able to compile anything related to plasma (ie plasmoids) with the 4.1 beta packages ?
[23:39] <Dillizar> plasma?
[23:39] <DanaKil> yep, you knows, the thing under your windows
[23:39] <DanaKil> it crashes when you click on it
[23:39] <DanaKil> sometimes
[23:39] <DanaKil> <___<
[23:40] <Dillizar> dunno i use kde like 30% of the time :P
[23:41] <DanaKil> oh... you know this irc channel has a "k" in front of his name ?
[23:41] <DanaKil> :)
[23:41] <Airforce5555> could someone help me with my wifi problem
[23:41] <bestpvp> is there a apt-get for pureftpd?
[23:41] <bestpvp> or for proftpd?
[23:42] <javier> !fixresolution
[23:42] <javier> how doi fix the resolution??
[23:42] <Airforce5555> could someone help me with my wifi problem
[23:43] <DanaKil>  yes for  "proftpd"
[23:43] <nyuu> hi
[23:43] <javier> i need another resolution this one is to big
[23:43] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  I can't seem to get audio CDs to mount.  In the past they were recognized and mounted properly.  Yet lately they haven't worked.  I think this happened soon after upgrading to Hardy.  Any ideas?
[23:43] <nyuu> I want to turn a wav CD into different format for my mp3 player
[23:43] <bestpvp> ah what do u use?
[23:43] <nyuu> ??
[23:44] <nyuu> do you have any suggestions
[23:44] <DanaKil> nyuu> do you use KDE ?
[23:44] <nyuu> yea
[23:44] <DanaKil> just type "media:/"
[23:44] <genii> k3b
[23:44] <nyuu> ok
[23:44] <nyuu> media:/
[23:44] <DanaKil> open your CD and all is automatically converted in the CD folder
[23:44] <nyuu> ow so sory ^^
[23:44] <DanaKil> or use k3b, indeed
[23:45] <Ertain> My CD woes are that my CDs can't be read.
[23:45] <bestpvp> gnome
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> I've downloaded a superkaramba theme
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> and I wanna modify it
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> is this possible at all??
[23:49] <_CrashMaster_> is ksynaptics depreciated? or gone?
[23:52] <ActionParsnip> _CrashMaster_: I think its just synaptic now dude
[23:52] <javier> #kubuntu-kde4
[23:52] <_CrashMaster_> ActionParsnip: Not the package manager, the touchpad configerator.
[23:53] <ActionParsnip> _CrashMaster_: oh, no idea then duder
[23:53] <nyuu> hey
[23:53] <lovre> what rpg game would you recommend for linux
[23:53] <nyuu> there is a problem with converting wav to mp3
[23:53] <lovre> kubuntu
[23:53] <Morslok> nethack
[23:53] <nyuu> k3b gives error while turning into mp3
[23:53] <genii> nyuu: You must have of course the codecs installed.
[23:54] <nyuu> I can play mp3 :S
[23:54] <nyuu> but cant convert...
[23:54] <ActionParsnip> lovre: WoW ?
[23:54] <nyuu> it can turn to ogg without any problem but mp3...
[23:54] <lovre> ActionParsnip: did i forget to mention free?
[23:55] <genii> nyuu: Try installing libk3b2-extracodecs           then try again
[23:55] <nyuu> ok
[23:55] <ActionParsnip> nyuu: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-323639.html
[23:55] <ActionParsnip> lovre: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open_source_games
[23:56] <nyuu> ok
[23:58] <lovre> ActionParsnip: ty
[23:58] <ActionParsnip> lovre: np bro


[00:05] <hazmat> woah.. that's awesome..
[00:05] <hazmat> job requirement -> An infrastructure management nut: Chef or Juju preferred.
[00:05] <SpamapS> hazmat: nice
[00:08] <m_3> we've arrived
[00:55] <jimbaker> http://careers.stackoverflow.com/jobs/15084/devops-infrastructure-engineer-surveymonkey has the detailed requirement. very cool indeed
[01:01] <jimbaker> and apparently one other: http://www.dovajobs.com/job-details.html?jobid=4405192&jobtitle=devops+engineer+-+mountain+view%2c+ca&joblocation=mountain+view&jobcountryid=222
[01:02] <jimbaker> ironically, juju.com is a job search engine; doubly ironically, one of the local python users works for them (remotely)
[01:08] <SpamapS> jimbaker: haha
[01:08] <SpamapS> jimbaker: I used to work for a job board company. Its a weird space.. so dominated by monster and linkedin at this point. :p
[01:31]  * hazmat picks up a book on ITIL
[04:35] <_mup_> juju/ssh-known_hosts r441 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:35] <_mup_> Properly handles key injection
[10:22] <fwereade> niemeyer, sorry, I never followed up on the start hook guarantee discussion
[10:22] <fwereade> niemeyer, you had more thoughts?
[10:23] <niemeyer> fwereade: I have some, and it'd be nice to catch up about the subject at some point
[10:24] <niemeyer> fwereade: Right now is not a great time for me, but maybe later today?
[10:24] <fwereade> niemeyer, sure, just ping me when it works for you
[10:29] <niemeyer> fwereade: Sounds great, thanks!
[10:43] <fwereade> niemeyer, offhand: when will we find out dates of UDS in April?
[10:43] <fwereade> niemeyer, (or who should I be asking who might know ;))
[10:44] <niemeyer> fwereade: Marianna might be the best bet
[10:44] <niemeyer> fwereade: But the page is generally updated as soon as she knows it, IIRC
[10:45] <fwereade> niemeyer, cool, thanks
[11:00] <niemeyer> "We are excited to announce our new South America (Sao Paulo) Region."
[11:00] <niemeyer> Brilliant!
[11:01] <therve> niemeyer, finally fast AWS for you? :)
[11:07] <niemeyer> therve: Finally :)
[11:59]  * hazmat yawnsw
[11:59] <hazmat> another day, another ec2 region
[12:00] <hazmat> hmm.. the sao paulo region appears to be the most expensive of the bunch
[12:59] <oarcher> hi all. After deploying a charm, all was ok. But after rebooting the nodes, juju status say that 'state: down' for all services, and 'state: not-started ' for bootstrap. But all services are working fine ... Does anybody know how to say juju that everything  is ok ?
[14:15] <oarcher_> why 'juju status' bring my node to state 'down' after a reboot ? Everything seems to work well !
[14:16] <niemeyer> oarcher_: Which provider are you using? Local?
[14:17] <oarcher_> yes, i'm using local
[14:18] <niemeyer> oarcher_: Ok.. it still doesn't work over reboots
[14:21] <oarcher_> Is it a bug report that i can follow ?
[14:44] <hazmat> oarcher_, its a known problem with work addressing already in progress
[15:23] <lynxman> hey guys o/ I'm writing a charm for a service that generates a certificate on the server side, I'd like to know if there's any best practices in order to transfer the certificate to the client charm (needed for bilateral auth)
[15:23] <lynxman> any charm I can have a look that would give me an example of that?
[15:31] <mchenetz> lynx man, bet… installed your port install of juju yesterday and got it working. However, juju did not work for local provider because of apt issues
[15:32] <lynxman> mchenetz: yeah I couldn't include apt in my build since OSX was lacking it :)
[15:32] <mchenetz> hehe
[15:32] <lynxman> mchenetz: happy to hear all the rest worked though, I need to find a way around that
[15:32] <mchenetz> lynxman: i am working on a solution with virtual box as a provider
[15:33] <lynxman> mchenetz: oooh schweet
[15:33] <mchenetz> i will probably create a brew repo after that
[15:33] <lynxman> mchenetz: let me know when you do so I can give it a ride :)
[15:33] <mchenetz> most defintiely
[15:36] <hazmat> lynxman, via relation data
[15:36] <lynxman> hazmat: any example I can have a look at? :)
[15:37] <hazmat> lynxman, no.. but you'd just encode the cert you want to transfer and set it on the relation... via relation-set
[15:37] <lynxman> hazmat: cool!
[15:37] <hazmat> lynxman, one qualification to doing that its available to all related units of the remote service
[15:37] <lynxman> hazmat: yeah it should be intended to work like that in this case so it's more than fine
[15:37] <hazmat> er.. all units of the related service
[15:37] <hazmat> cool
[15:46] <rog> is anyone else having problems with launchpad?
[15:46] <rog> i'm consistently seeing this message: http://paste.ubuntu.com/771240/
[15:47] <rog> hazmat, fwereade: ^
[15:48] <fwereade> rog, I've seen it once or twice in the past, it usually goes away again quite quickly
[15:48] <rog> fwereade: i hope so - i've mucked up lp:juju/go and i need to restore it before anyone notices :-)
[15:48] <fwereade> rog, and it's happening for me too ATM
[15:49] <rog> good. i thought it might be something i'd done locally
[15:49] <rog> fwereade: thanks
[15:49] <fwereade> rog, don't worry, probably nobody else could see it... until you confessed :p
[15:49] <rog> fwereade: they might have noticed that it had lost the last 2 revisions...
[15:56] <rog> "Warning: criss-cross merge encountered.  See bzr help criss-cross."
[15:56] <rog> yay
[15:59] <fwereade> rog, that's *usually* less painful than it sounds, were there any actual conflicts?
[16:14] <rog> fwereade: actually, no. i reckon they shouldn't write that message if there are no conflicts...
[16:15] <fwereade> rog, I dunno, I think it's quite handy to be notified when you're merging weirdly, but the message could probably use some work
[16:27] <SpamapS> fwereade: o/ ahoy there!
[16:27] <SpamapS> rog: ^^
[16:27] <rog> SpamapS: hi
[16:29] <fwereade> heya SpamapS
[16:55] <SpamapS> nijaba: hey, I need to use the ch_peer_* stuff in a charm I'm working on ... are you going to have time to update with the stuff I mentioned in my review?
[16:56] <hazmat> nijaba, btw that stuff is awesome (ch peer*)
[16:56] <hazmat> glad its there
[16:56] <SpamapS> Yeah, its going to make peer relations much easier to read. :)
[16:56] <SpamapS> and write
[16:57] <SpamapS> hazmat: hopefully ch_peer_leader will be able to just call 'relation-leader'  at some point. ;)
[16:59] <hazmat> anyone seen this error while running unit tests.. OpenSSL.SSL.Error: [('system library', 'fopen', 'No such file or directory'), ('BIO routines', 'FILE_CTRL', 'system lib'), ('SSL routines', 'SSL_CTX_use_certificate_file', 'system lib')]
[16:59] <SpamapS> hazmat: where would we even be using OpenSSL.SSL ?
[17:03] <hazmat> SpamapS, it gets invoked as part of the digest auth impl cert checking by twisted
[17:06] <SpamapS> what cert checking do we do? :p
[17:06] <rog> meeting?
[17:06] <hazmat> rog, invites out
[17:07] <hazmat> SpamapS, niemeyer, m_3, jcastro, jimbaker, bcsaller, TheMue, fwereade.. its that time of the week
[17:07] <jimbaker> hazmat, indeed
[17:08] <rog> hazmat: i see no invite
[17:08] <TheMue> Yep, no invite yet
[17:09] <hazmat> hmm
[17:09] <SpamapS> hazmat: joining shortly
[17:09] <hazmat> TheMue, rog resent to you individually
[17:09] <hazmat> i tried using a circle this time around, but it seems a little flakey
[17:09] <rog> hazmat: got it now
[17:10]  * SpamapS adds sa-east-1 to the regions allowed
[17:11] <m_3> be on late... might miss this one
[17:13] <niemeyer> Nothing here either.. and I
[17:13] <niemeyer> have a meeting in ~17 mins
[17:13] <niemeyer> Ah, got the invite now.. joining
[17:14] <niemeyer> Interesting that it didn't send a notification
[17:14]  * robbiew can't attend...but also knows he's the least important in the "room"...and has NO problem with that reality :P
[17:16] <niemeyer> It's really bad today for some reason
[17:16] <niemeyer> I can't hear a single thing :(
[17:16] <niemeyer> Now it says "The server connection has been lost"
[17:23] <niemeyer> hazmat: Am I the only one having issues?
[17:27] <hazmat> niemeyer, yes
[17:27] <hazmat> niemeyer, let me try inviting again.. not sure what else to do
[17:28] <niemeyer> hazmat: The invite isn't the issue.. I can see it
[17:28] <niemeyer> hazmat: It's just so laggy that I can only hear noise
[17:33] <hazmat> niemeyer, i'm taking notes i'll send out
[17:35] <hazmat> niemeyer, sometimes killing all flash on the system i've found helpful
[17:39]  * SpamapS runs test suite for 4th time a/ sa-east-1 added
[17:45] <niemeyer> Doesn't really work.. and Chrome seems to be leaving processes behind when I close it
[17:45] <niemeyer> Will try reinstalling the beta
[17:52] <niemeyer> Downgrading didn't help either
[17:52] <niemeyer> I'm giving up this time around..
[18:29] <hazmat> niemeyer, i had that problem once i had to shutdown both browsers, and hand kill the processes, to clear out all the flash players
[18:30] <hazmat> er. chrome /firefox
[18:30] <hazmat> twas strange
[18:30] <hazmat> m_3, is that github mirror stuff automated?
[18:31] <niemeyer> hazmat: Yeah :/
[18:33] <m_3> hazmat: it's partially so atm... should be fully automated by tonight
[18:34] <m_3> hazmat: and I'd rather trigger from pushes, but it's cron atm
[18:35] <m_3> putting tests and notifications in place b/c git-bzr-ng is... um... problematic at times :)
[19:28] <robbiew> m_3: ping...you see my email re:objectives? :)
[19:28] <SpamapS> hm, test suite failing on trunk
[19:29] <SpamapS> http://paste.ubuntu.com/771484/
[19:29] <SpamapS> hazmat: any ideas? ^
[19:30] <jimbaker`> SpamapS, you need to clean your checkout of pyc files
[19:31] <jimbaker`> SpamapS, so in particular, juju.providers.ec2.tests.test_connect is gone
[19:31] <SpamapS> AHH
[19:31] <hazmat> hmm
[19:31] <hazmat> indeed
[19:32] <SpamapS> so, I think we need to fix bug #893176
[19:32] <_mup_> Bug #893176: do not limit ec2 region to static list of regions <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/893176 >
[19:32] <SpamapS> seems like Amazon brings on a new region every 6 - 8 weeks
[19:33] <SpamapS> What about just changing it to a free-form string
[19:34] <SpamapS> btw do you guys have a good way to speed up the test suite? ;)
[19:34] <jimbaker`> SpamapS, not fast enough for you?
[19:35] <SpamapS> takes 10 minutes
[19:35] <jimbaker`> maybe we could use zk's chroot functionality
[19:35] <jimbaker`> so we could run chunks in parallel don't know
[19:36] <SpamapS> 10 min is still quite managable.. just wondering if there are any tricks. :)
[19:36] <jimbaker`> SpamapS, the other question is, are you running w/ a ssd?
[19:37] <jimbaker`> because my time is much better. too slow, i'd like to run it on every change. but fast enough that i'm not certain what it is right now :)
[19:37] <SpamapS> jimbaker`: well the .py and .pyc's are all in cache, and the ZK is on tmpfs.. so it shouldn't matter really
[19:38] <SpamapS> hm actually /tmp is just / ... so not tmpfs. Hrm.
[19:39] <hazmat> SpamapS, it takes under 5 with an ssd
[19:40] <hazmat> SpamapS, you can do partial runs by passing in either a package or filename to ./test
[19:40] <m_3> robbiew: yup, sure did
[19:40]  * m_3 reading them now
[19:40] <robbiew> m_3: lol...okay
[19:41] <SpamapS> hazmat: at this point, I always run the whole thing. :)
[19:41] <jimbaker`> SpamapS, i agree with that sentiment
[19:41] <SpamapS> hazmat: I do partial runs while developing, but always the full run before commit. :)
[19:41] <SpamapS> and now, the full run, in a clean oneiric chroot
[19:41] <jimbaker`> ok, i just reran test on my laptop - 2m50s
[19:41] <hazmat> nice
[19:42] <hazmat> jimbaker`, out of curiosity which ssd do you have
[19:42] <m_3> robbiew: sounds perfect... thanks!
[19:43] <robbiew> m_3: awesome...3 down...too many more to go! :P
[19:43] <jimbaker`> hazmat, it's the vertex whatever you recommended. i have two, one in my desktop, one in my laptop
[19:43]  * m_3 has objectives now!
[19:43] <SpamapS> hrm, why would SSD matter that much? Just for ZK?
[19:43] <jimbaker`> thanks for the recommendation!
[19:43] <hazmat> we should clean up the status tests, their dogs, they setup entire universes to test a little piece, that will shave at least a 1.5 m off
[19:43] <hazmat> SpamapS, yeah.. primarily.. you could also try a tmpfs mount
[19:43] <jimbaker`> SpamapS, everything in ZK is logged persistently
[19:43] <SpamapS> m_3: If one of them isn't "make clint a sandwich" ... you may want to revise.. ;)
[19:43] <m_3> SpamapS: ha
[19:44]  * m_3 revises objectives
[19:44] <SpamapS> hazmat: I always thought /tmp was tmpfs.. but it isn't.. remounting it soon :)
[19:45] <hazmat> SpamapS, 38s in.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7PJ1oeEyGg
[19:45] <hazmat> actually 35s in
[19:46] <hazmat> his whole speil is get an ssd
[19:46] <hazmat> gotta run to airport, bbiab
[20:03] <SpamapS> so.. weird.. when hazmat pushed to juju trunk the other day, _mup_ noted it. But I just pushed, and no note from _mup_
[20:04] <SpamapS> is _mup_ only watching by *user* ?
[20:04] <therve> SpamapS, it's a client side bzr config afaict
[20:04] <SpamapS> as in, they're somehow pinging mup?
[20:05] <therve> yeah, it's a postcommit hook
[20:05] <SpamapS> that seems rather silly
[20:06] <SpamapS> I suppose its more efficient than the bot polling all the branches.. but really.. hrm.
[20:22] <m_3> SpamapS: there was talk of moving mup over to juju-dev... perhaps that's halfway done?
[20:25] <SpamapS> I think the thought was to just have it *also* in juju-dev
[20:52] <hazmat> SpamapS, its a per user client side thing
[20:52] <hazmat> SpamapS, i think a bot polling would be more useful
[20:52] <hazmat> that sounds like a nice funtime project
[21:01] <SpamapS> hazmat: another thing to consider is to just have WTF do it (jenkins has an awesome irc bot.. )
[21:38] <niemeyer> Woohay.. new lbox built
[21:43] <zirpu> what's an lbox? lxc?
[21:44] <niemeyer> zirpu: Nah, just a tool some of us use for development
[21:44] <niemeyer> zirpu: It's not so exciting really.. it's exciting because I can now do something else ;)


[00:01] <challman> is anyone alive in here?
[00:02] <Aquina> me
[00:03] <Aquina> hmm... If I were you I'd press ALT+F1 or F2
[00:03] <Aquina> then log in with user and pass at the console.
[00:04] <challman> I have logged it
[00:04] <challman> I need to know how to fix
[00:04] <challman> hey, can anyone help me with a new install and video problems? I've got an older system with an ATI Radeon 9000 & DVI attached LCD. when it boots after install, I do see things on the screen right up to before the logon screen but the LCD shows out of range
[00:04] <Aquina> afterwards check enter "sudo nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and see the resolutions for the monitor
[00:04] <Aquina> did you read what I wrote you?
[00:04] <challman> there isn't an xorg.conf.... 9.10 doesn't use that be default anymore
[00:04] <Aquina> oh it' hal, huh?
[00:05] <challman> um, not sure what you mean
[00:05] <Aquina> wait a minute...
[00:07] <Aquina> ok some stupid questions: 1] is your OS up to date (apt-get upgrade)? 2] You CAN create an xorg.onf!
[00:07] <Aquina> Section "Screen"
[00:07] <Aquina>  Identifier "Screen0"
[00:07] <Aquina>  Device "Card0"
[00:07] <Aquina>  Monitor "Monitor0"
[00:07] <Aquina>  DefaultDepth 16
[00:07] <Aquina> EndSection
[00:07] <Aquina> try that
[00:07] <challman> up to date, yes.... will try that
[00:07] <Aquina> ok
[00:08] <Aquina> I'l post a better config wait...
[00:10] <Aquina> http://pastebin.com/dfd1071b
[00:10] <Aquina> the first section is optional the second one mandatory since it includes resolutions. Modify everything as you like.
[00:10] <Aquina> If you want the first section watch the HZ and KHZ values!!!
[00:11] <Aquina> Check your documentation or you may damage your screen.
[00:11] <challman> ok. will you be on for a few? i need to type this in. not sure if I can FTP it
[00:11] <Aquina> yes
[00:11] <Aquina> :-)
[00:13] <Aquina> Again: You can copy it 1:1 except the 30-80 and 55-75 since thats for my screen. ;-)
[00:16] <challman> ok, typed it in and rebooting
[00:16] <challman> did copy, but can't copy/paste :P
[00:16] <challman> btw, how do you get the grub boot menu now? grub2 doesn't show it be default unless you have more than one OS
[00:18] <challman> ok, i did get a gui prompt. it told me i was running in a low graphics mode. it asked me if I wanted to adjust it.
[00:23] <challman> keep getting out of range
[00:31] <challman> woohoo, i found a link that fixed my problem:::::  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=467804
[00:53] <challman> hey, aquina
[01:15] <Aquina> jeah?
[01:16] <Aquina> so your logon screen works?
[01:17] <Aquina> grub2 config in "/boot/grub/mnu.lst" BEFORE the automagic stuff enter "timeout		10" for 10 seconds menue. ;-)
[01:18] <Aquina> oh and comment out hiddenmenu with # --> "#hiddenmenu"
[01:19] <Aquina> aem if it asks you if you wanna change it it *already* displayed something. Did you clck ok or abort before the "out of range" message?
[01:20] <Aquina> (try to ignore/cancel the message and log in as usual)
[01:21] <Aquina> Then enter the XFCE control center and set up everything for your screen there (be cautious).
[01:21] <challman> yes, I found another site with a file almost extacly as i needed
[01:21] <Aquina> so it works now?
[01:21] <challman> now, i'm trying to get acx wireless to work. go figure. i get one problem fixed and find another one
[01:21] <challman> seems Ubuntu pulled the acx drivers from karmic
[01:22] <challman> yes, i've been working on the wireless for the past 30 min. i think i found something
[01:22] <challman> i really love xubuntu
[01:22] <Aquina> Hold on a sec. 1] display works now? 2] grub modified sucessfully? 3] installed wifi stuff with apt-get?
[01:23] <Aquina> Yes, it's a great system. :-)
[01:23] <challman> 1) video working flawless..... 2) didn't see your grub comments. grub2 doesn't use menu.lst anymore. it has /boot/grub/grub.cfg..... 3) TI acx wireless no longer available. having to do manually
[01:24] <challman> this wireless worked great on Mepis 8 (kde 3.5)... hated that version of KDE
[02:22] <Aquina> KDE is bloated...
[02:22] <likemindead> So's your mom.
[02:22] <likemindead> J/K LOL
[02:38] <_blink_> Hey does anyone know how I can move the system tray stuff to the bottom panel?
[02:54] <likemindead> Just right click on it and move it.
[02:54] <_blink_> It wont let me
[02:55] <_blink_> for like the wi fi radar and stuff
[02:59] <likemindead> Go just to the left of the icons. When you right click, it'll be for the "Notification Area" & you can move it.
[03:03] <oorah> i have a broken link i can't remove from the desktop, what do i do?
[03:05] <_blink_> thanks @ like minded
[03:05] <_blink_> I though it was called system tray
[03:12] <likemindead> What do you mean by "broken link" oorah?
[03:15] <oorah> likemindead, i copied a video link to the desktop and not i can't delete it
[03:15] <oorah> likemindead, and when i put the arrow over it it says broken link
[03:16] <likemindead> Right click and delete or just select it and use the delete key?
[03:18] <oorah> likemindead, i can't, thats why i'm here
[03:18] <likemindead> Strange.  Xfce is great. I'm a big Openbox & Fluxbox fan too.
[03:25] <oorah> xKill didn't work either
[03:26] <oorah> well, guess a fresh install is an easy fix
[03:26] <oorah> everything can be re-installed within a few minutes anyway
[03:30] <_blink_> oorah, that sucks
[03:31] <_blink_> yeah xfce is great espically combined in ubuntu
[04:09] <robert__> what is a good dock app for xfce?
[04:27] <robert__> i just had to reinstall ubuntu i guess oh well
[04:27] <robert__> xubuntu
[06:26] <owen1> Anyone with Dell mini 10 or Inspiron 11Z - please confirm the touchpad bug I just sumbitted - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/512192
[06:42] <_blink_> Sorry for being a dumbass but how do I execute python files in xubuntu?
[07:04] <Balsaq> Sysi!!
[07:04] <Balsaq> now there is 2 Sysi ?
[07:05] <Sysi> irssi and quassel
[07:07] <Sysi> quassel is on home network, havent got it to shell yet
[07:10] <Balsaq> kas noin se hätäkeino sence jotta we
[07:11] <Sysi> gtranslate? :D
[07:11] <Balsaq> i-kirjain jälkisäädös koetus se
[07:12] <Balsaq> do it make any sence?
[07:13] <Sysi> no :D
[07:13] <Balsaq> dadgummit
[07:13] <Balsaq> hmmm try this one
[07:13] <Sysi> but i can read that with gtranslate x)
[07:14] <Balsaq> minun maine on fred flintstone
[07:14] <Balsaq> ok what did i say?
[07:15] <Sysi> now it makes sence to me, i will try it
[07:15] <Balsaq> am i speaking finnish?
[07:15] <Sysi> it works backwards also, you see
[07:15] <Balsaq> are you from finland Sysi?
[07:15] <Sysi> yes
[07:16] <Balsaq> hmmm so that means i am not structuring my grammar correctly
[07:16] <Sysi> well.. that's not understandable
[07:16] <Sysi> http://translate.google.com/#fi|en|kas%20noin%20se%20h%C3%A4t%C3%A4keino%20sence%20jotta%20we%20%0Ai-kirjain%20j%C3%A4lkis%C3%A4%C3%A4d%C3%B6s%20koetus%20se
[07:16] <Sysi> :)
[07:16] <Balsaq> should i say the sentences backwards?
[07:17] <Sysi> hard to type in dark
[07:18] <Balsaq> ok maybe the google is better
[07:18] <Sysi> teacher left us to watch video
[07:19] <Balsaq> Ihmettelen, jos puhun nyt Suomen
[07:19] <Balsaq> did it work?
[07:19] <Sysi> betterly
[07:20] <Sysi> that's bad, but understandable
[07:20] <Balsaq> i can live with bad as long as it can be fully understood
[07:21] <Sysi> there's alsp the thing that you say things differently in english
[07:21] <Balsaq> i know
[07:21] <Balsaq> thats why it is difficult
[07:22] <_blink_> Yo anyone know how to run .py scripts in xubuntu
[07:22] <Sysi> you need to install some kind of python to do that, and use it
[07:23] <_blink_> Yeah i installed python
[07:23] <_blink_> but when i click on the file it opens with a text editor
[07:24] <Sysi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11009
[07:25] <_blink_> that method doesnt work with xubuntu :(
[07:29] <Sysi> did you try adding that line?
[07:29] <Sysi> " found out that I need to add "#!/usr/bin/python" to the script."
[07:29] <_blink_> yeah there is no property box on right click in xubuntu
[07:30] <Sysi> when it opens on text editor, add that one line on top of it
[07:30] <Sysi> ans save file
[07:39] <Blank__> is there an easy way to get nautilus working properly (and effectively replace thunar)?
[07:40] <Blank__> it seems to start up every boot, and when my desktop shows, it switches to my old gnome desktop for a second, then back to my xfce one... i'm wondering if that's related to my attempts to run nautilus previously
[11:31] <gypsymauro> hello
[11:33] <gypsymauro> I tried xubuntu but it's very slow on my hw, I tried puppylinux and is much more faster and I discovered on forums that fluxubuntu is faster too, but it seems a dead project, any hint?
[11:34] <knome> about what?
[11:35] <gypsymauro> if there is a ubuntu based distro lighter than xubuntu or a way to speed up xubuntu :)
[11:36] <TheSheep> try lubuntu
[11:36] <Myrtti> gypsymauro: install using mini.iso and install DE + apps as you wish
[11:37] <Myrtti> no need to stick into pre-chosen compilations of software
[11:37] <dirktux> buen dia comunidad:
[11:38] <dirktux> consulta: como hacer que xubuntu consuma menos memoria ram
[11:39] <TheSheep> !es | dirktux
[11:39] <dirktux> ok tanks
[11:40] <knome> hey Myrtti :) haven't seen you in a bit
[11:40] <Myrtti> knome: life intruded
[11:41] <knome> Myrtti, yeah, i can imagine :)
[13:08] <eXpl0i7> how to get my headphones to work in xubuntu 9.04?
[13:09] <eXpl0i7> some solution?
[13:10] <eXpl0i7> i tryed some stuf from ubuntu forums but don't work
[13:23] <TheSheep> eXpl0i7: click on the speaker icon in your panel and slide the headphones slider from 0
[13:24] <eXpl0i7> i tryed this
[13:24] <eXpl0i7> in mixer phone is set to max volume and not muted
[13:25] <TheSheep> not phone
[13:25] <TheSheep> phone is for phone
[13:25] <TheSheep> headphines
[13:25] <TheSheep> headphones
[13:25] <eXpl0i7> i not have headphones
[13:26] <TheSheep> that explains it
[13:26] <eXpl0i7> phone  = headphones
[13:26] <knome> eXpl0i7, no. phone is not headphones.
[13:26] <TheSheep> imaginary headphones won't work
[13:26] <TheSheep> buy some headphones first and then try
[13:26] <knome> TheSheep, ^_~
[13:27] <TheSheep> sorry, I will go now and come back when I calm down
[13:29] <eXpl0i7> http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab162/Ov3rf10w/Screenshot.png
[13:29] <eXpl0i7> seee this
[13:29] <eXpl0i7> i checked all in select controls
[13:43] <TheSheep> eXpl0i7: are yor headphones special in any way?
[13:43] <TheSheep> eXpl0i7: wireless? usb?
[13:44] <eXpl0i7> no
[13:44] <TheSheep> is this a laptop?
[13:44] <eXpl0i7> no
[13:44] <eXpl0i7> :)
[13:45] <TheSheep> you connected them to the socket at the back? (the front one could be unconnected)
[13:45]  * TheSheep is running out of ideas
[13:46] <eXpl0i7> my headphones work on windows
[13:46] <eXpl0i7> i ahve speakers and headphones connected
[13:46] <eXpl0i7> i have*
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[15:42] <hapik> hello
[15:42] <cody-somerville> Hi
[15:43] <hapik> How to put NetworkManager (nm-applet) at pannel?
[15:44] <Sysi-> it comes to notification area when you start it
[15:44] <cody-somerville> It'll automatically show up in...
[15:44] <cody-somerville> What Sysi- says :)
[15:44] <Myrtti> hapik: in most cases it runs by default in notification area
[15:47] <hapik> Myrtti: yes, it is. But I don't need notification area with all applications/icons - all I need is NetworkManager on pannel
[15:48] <Sysi-> you don't get it there without notificaton area
[15:49] <Myrtti> and applications/icons shouldn't really be there anyway
[15:49] <Sysi-> if you're not willing to create launcher for that what i strongly doubt
[15:51] <hapik> well, that's a pity, lancher is not an option; notification area shows Gnome-power-manager, Orange, Gnomve-volume-control, web browser etc.
[15:52] <Myrtti> web-browser? o_0
[15:52] <hapik> Opera in my case
[15:53] <Myrtti> so opera does it wrong
[15:53] <knome> maybe opera has an option not to show up in the notification area
[15:53] <knome> you can also disable orage from notification area from the preferences
[15:53] <knome> probably also drop gnome-volume-control
[15:53] <knome> and the power-manager
[15:55] <hapik> hmm, I was not thinking about disabling this was, have to check it, anyway it is a little bit strange that I cannot put this applet on pannel when in gnome it is a default options
[15:57] <maverick_> pidgin-libnotify just uses the libnotify package and not the notification-daemon right?
[16:02] <Myrtti> hapik: I don't think it's an applet even in Gnome
[16:04] <hapik> I think it was, e.g. a picture on http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/
[16:05] <hapik> but it doesn't matter, I removed orage; now, how to edit menu entry options in xfce?
[16:05] <subspider> hey guys how do i extract files from rar file
[16:06] <subspider> i'm using unrar x "file"
[16:06] <subspider> but just creates de folders
[16:07] <Myrtti> subspider: use e
[16:08] <subspider> i allready used it
[16:08] <subspider> same output
[16:08] <subspider> there is onother program
[16:10] <TheSheep> rar x "file"
[16:14] <tavasti> in karmic there is no 'grip' package, suggestions for cd-ripping software
[16:14] <Myrtti> exaile can do it, IIRC
[16:17] <subspider> Myrtti, yes it extracted the files but now in doesn't create folders
[16:18] <tavasti> better suggestions?
[16:19] <knome> tavasti, sound-juicer
[16:20] <tavasti> ok, I'll give it a try
[16:21] <knome> tavasti, it's not as configurable as grip, but i started using it as well after grip
[16:25] <tavasti> hmm, I would prefer something more configurable, but have to with this for now
[16:28] <maverick_> i have 2 questions: 1. How can i stop the notications from notification-daemon stop overlapping the panel, 2. How can i make xubuntu not load apps of the previous session on restart
[16:29] <subspider> i need help to extract files from rar file please someone help me
[16:29] <ochosi> ad 2: close all programmes, untick the "save session" tickbox and logout
[16:29] <ochosi> maverick_ ->
[16:30] <maverick_> ochosi: o
[16:30] <ochosi> subspider, sudo apt-get install unrar
[16:30] <maverick_> *ok
[16:30] <ochosi> subspider, then "unrar e archive.rar"
[16:30] <subspider> ochosi, i know i have the problem is extracting the files it give me error
[16:31] <ochosi> subspider, what error?
[16:31] <subspider> the same file on wirar it opens perfectly
[16:31] <subspider> ok wait
[16:31] <ochosi> yeah, actually unrar is not perfect in linux. i experienced problems with some archives too. mostly it should work though
[16:32] <ochosi> subspider, btw, are you using unrar or unrar-nonfree?
[16:32] <ochosi> subspider, sry, meant unrar or unrar-free
[16:32] <ochosi> subspider, depending on which you use you could give the other one a try
[16:33] <subspider> hm
[16:33] <subspider> i unistall and intall and now its working just fine
[16:33] <subspider> wierd
[16:33] <subspider> same comand
[16:33] <subspider> unrar x "file.rar"
[16:33] <ochosi> k
[16:34] <subspider> theres onother thing
[16:34] <subspider> my menu bar
[16:34] <subspider> everything is at left side i can't move to right side do you guys know why??
[16:35] <ochosi> you might be able to change that in the gtkrc of the theme you're using. tbh i've never seen a right-aligned menubar
[16:36] <charlie-tca> missing the spacer
[16:36] <subspider> i didn't do that i just resatrated a few months and it stayed like that
[16:37] <charlie-tca> subspider: right-click the panel, add, separator
[16:37] <subspider> ok
[16:37] <charlie-tca> Then you can move items to the right
[16:39] <subspider> yea it worked
[16:39] <subspider> it's satrnge
[16:39] <subspider> lol
[16:39] <subspider> thanks guys
[16:40] <ochosi> oh, no i see what you meant with "menubar" :)
[16:40] <ochosi> no -> now
[16:40] <maverick_> anyway i can change the sad notification-daemon that comes along with xubuntu, which is not transparent and overlaps the bloody panel?
[16:41] <ochosi> maverick_, if you're using xubuntu karmic (9.10) then you're using notify-osd which is quite unconfigurable
[16:41] <ochosi> (unless you recompile of course)
[16:42] <maverick_> yes, i am in karmic, but i dont have any idea, how to configure it, i tried removing notification-daemon to replace it with xfce4-notifyd which was a bit better
[16:42] <maverick_> i just installed notify-osd now
[16:42] <ochosi> as i said: notify-osd isn't really configurable. it's a design decision.
[16:42] <subspider> but it's not th way i like charlie-tca
[16:43] <subspider> i put many space bars but i can make it go to the end of the bar
[16:43] <subspider> now i do sorry
[16:43] <subspider> newbee
[16:43] <maverick_> ochosi: i liked xfce4-notifyd, but it isnt compatible with pidgin-libnotify
[16:43] <TheSheep> you only need one and make it expand
[16:47] <charlie-tca> subspider: you can normally only use one spacebar, then right click the icon want to move, leftclick and hold down the button, move to the other end of the bar and release
[16:47] <charlie-tca> You only have two places to put them in Xubuntu, left side or right side
[16:48] <subspider> yes sorry charlie-tca
[16:49] <subspider> now it's the way i had thank you very much
[16:55] <charlie-tca> no problem
[17:20] <petsounds> charlie-tca, hi.. i have question what is the easiest way to reset panel in xubuntu? thanks
[17:23] <charlie-tca> !panels | petsounds
[17:24] <petsounds> charlie-tca,  oops i think there's no trigger for this. Merci :)
[17:25] <charlie-tca> What do mean? they won't come back?
[17:26] <petsounds> charlie-tca, no no. what i'm trying to say is when i pull the trigger for !resetpanels the command line is for gnome
[17:28] <charlie-tca> that's because it is a gnome desktop specific item. Use !panels here to see xubuntu panels help
[17:28] <petsounds> roger that. thanks..
[17:29] <hapik> I still have a problem with removing "gnome-volume-control-panel" from notification area. Does anyone know a solution?
[17:29] <hapik> !panels
[17:29] <charlie-tca> hapik: what version of Xubuntu are you using?
[17:30] <hapik> 9.10
[17:32] <charlie-tca> try applications -> settings -> session and startup, application autostart tab, uncheck it. It won't start next time you start xubuntu then.
[17:36] <hapik> charlie-tca: thanks, I will try it, rebooting now
[17:51] <Eltornado> hello
[17:51] <Eltornado> using xubuntu 9.10 i got a loop login screen since i enabled then disbled the option "display session chooser on login"
[17:52] <Eltornado> i use gdm
[17:53] <Eltornado> now after enabling that option using xdm i cass access my desktop using gdm again but i have to choose the last session to log in
[17:54] <hapik> something went wrong, after unchecking autorun of volume_setup, X window is down. startx works from root account. Where is a user file of autorun application to edit it manually?
[17:55] <charlie-tca> hapik: /etc/xdg/
[17:57] <hapik> charlie-tca: no files in /etc/xdg/autostart were changed today
[17:57] <charlie-tca> you should have a file /etc/xdg/autostart/XFCE-volume daemon in there
[17:58] <hapik> yes, it is: 2009-09-05 22:28 xfce4-volumed.desktop
[17:58] <charlie-tca> should not matter, though, the only thing it does is multimedia keys.
[17:58] <charlie-tca> What about volume control?
[17:58] <hapik> ?
[17:59] <charlie-tca> Is there a file called volume control?
[17:59] <hapik> no
[17:59] <hapik> oh, sorry, it is, but it's old file again
[17:59] <charlie-tca> That is the right one to remove then. It should not affect the startup at all, since all it does is control volume from the panel
[17:59] <hapik> 2009-10-07 19:04 gnome-volume-control-applet.desktop
[18:00] <charlie-tca> That is the one you wanted gone.
[18:01] <charlie-tca> What did you uncheck?
[18:01] <hapik> volume regulation
[18:06] <charlie-tca> startx did not get you to a desktop?
[18:07] <hapik> ok, I unchecked "volume_settings" (or something similar - don't know the proper name in english) in application autostart of session manager
[18:08] <hapik> startx doesn't get me to a desktop
[18:08] <charlie-tca> that should not have caused the system not to start. did you get a gdm login screen?
[18:09] <hapik> got white mouse on black background and information about posibility of running in low resolution
[18:09] <hapik> it didn't work although
[18:10] <hapik> i think i will log out and i will check it again
[18:10] <hapik> brb
[18:21] <hapik> "ubuntu is running low-graphics mode" ... "your screen, graphics card, and imput device sttings could not be detected correctly" ... run ubuntu in low-graphics mode ... Fatal error: Server is already active for display 0
[18:22] <hapik> although root account works o.k.
[18:23] <charlie-tca> go into the desktop in low graphics mode, it will still let you login, I think. Then you can go to the settings and check that back in.
[18:24] <hapik> it doesn't log in low graphics mode
[18:35] <hapik> charlie-tca: I will go with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and reinstalling nvidia drivers - is it sensible?
[18:36] <charlie-tca> worth a try
[18:57] <hapik> problem: startx doesn't run from user account, although it runs from root account; removing .config didn't help; coping .config from root to user didn't help; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didn't work - I have no other ideas
[18:58] <hapik> has anyone any suggestions?
[22:58] <subspider> hey charlie-tca are you there
[23:02] <charlie-tca> yeah
[23:03] <subspider> nothing sorry
[23:03] <subspider> thanks charlie-tca
[23:03] <charlie-tca> you are welcome
[23:03] <subspider> it was how to run in command a windows app with wine
[23:03]  * charlie-tca thinking that was almost too easy
[23:04] <charlie-tca> I don't know anything about windows or wine except to not drink and drive
[23:04] <subspider> hahahahaha
[23:04] <subspider> nice one