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[22:34] <Freddi> Hello, is this the right place to ask a question about the Unity API / appmenu?
[22:44] <tjigi-fo> Freddi, no, that would be #ubuntu-unity
[22:44] <Freddi> thanks!


[00:22] <bdmurray> I noticed that the official tags applet was talking a long time to load fwiw
[00:27] <poolie> is the mp-to-pqm thing at all reusable for bzr?
[00:27] <poolie> jml^?
[00:27] <poolie> bdmurray: 'portlet' fwiw
[00:28] <bdmurray> poolie: right!
[00:50] <micahg> lp admins...can we block a user that keeps adding tasks/assignments to bugs?
[00:50] <spm> micahg: only as a last resort; which user/examples?
[00:51] <micahg> spm: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntunerd-nospammail
[00:51] <spm> nice name there...
[00:51] <micahg> spm: I have a few bug examples
[00:52] <spm> I can probably get from the history
[00:52] <micahg> yeah
[00:55] <spm> huh, that reads to me - positive spin - like someone is trying to be helpful, but in an irritating to everyone else way
[00:56] <micahg> spm: yes, but unless we can communicate and train, the user will just annoy...
[00:56] <spm> heh, using a variant of patches accepted; be my guest to contact them and train ;-)
[00:57] <spm> I'm guesing that ubuntu has some docs on what bug triargers etc do/how style of thing?
[00:57] <micahg> spm: user hasn't responded to email
[00:57] <micahg> spm: how long do I have to wait?
[00:58] <spm> in? what time period was the email sent?
[00:58] <micahg> spm: I think last night
[00:58] <micahg> 24 hrs ago
[00:58] <spm> hrm
[01:00] <spm> I'll send an email via the contact user pointing them here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage/ and mentioning that assigning folks to bugs is not polite; pls to be considerate of changing bug statusus as that can create unnecessary work for those that are trying to fix them ???
[01:00] <spm> sound fair?
[01:01] <spm> if that fails, then we'll look at a larger hammer.
[01:01] <spm> actually https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs would be better
[01:01] <micahg> spm: k, I sent an e-mail but w/out the link and a reference to the bugs channel
[01:01] <micahg> spm: let's try it
[01:02] <spm> so some duplication...
[01:02]  * micahg doesn't like the idea of banning people either
[01:02] <spm> heh; no. we want to channel the enthusiasm down a useful path; not turn it off :-)
[01:08] <spm> micahg: and sent. With any luck the email from a semi-irrelevant "authority" may have some impact; it seems to have had in other like cases. :-/
[01:08] <micahg> spm: k, thanks :)
[01:09] <spm> it's depressing you know; I'm having to use my LART for good; not the usual sysadmin evil. horrible.....
[01:09] <micahg> spm: lol
[05:17] <poolie> thumper, which branches come up when you propose a merge?
[05:17] <thumper> for lp?
[05:17] <poolie> i mean, which ones are offered as the main options?
[05:17] <wgrant> Dev focus and any that you've merged to before, isn't it?
[05:17] <thumper> development focus, and other branches you've targetted before
[05:17]  * thumper is running to the shops
[05:18] <poolie> hm
[05:18] <poolie> you can't get them off once they're there?
[05:18] <wgrant> Doesn't look like it.
[05:18] <wgrant> Cursed forever.
[06:19] <micahg> it's getting difficult with these imported bugwatches for non-task bugs.
[07:09] <thumper> poolie, wgrant: sure we could, we just change the query to only look at branches you've proposed in the last 3 months say.  Please file a bug
[07:31] <poolie> thumper: i guess it's also a bit surprising because generally speaking launchpad doesn't use the pattern of suggesting things you used recently
[07:31] <poolie> though i wish it would
[07:31] <poolie> eg for bug assignees
[08:54] <mgolisch> can the software behind launchpad be downloaded? id like to have something like that for at work
[08:57] <thumper> mgolisch: lp:launchpad, although there is quite a bit to it
[08:57] <thumper> mgolisch: and the icons are copyright canonical still
[08:57] <thumper> mgolisch: see the dev wiki at dev.launchpad.net for how to get it running locally
[08:59] <mgolisch> thx
[10:28] <nigelb> wgrant, are you around?
[10:29] <wgrant> nigelb: I am.
[10:29] <nigelb> wgrant, we have another spammer now, as me and kermiac were discusing in bugs
[10:29] <nigelb> is it feasible to have an option to undo all the changes by a particular user?
[10:30] <nigelb> Can I log a feature request against it? Is it technically possible?
[10:30] <nigelb> (to make all the db changes)
[10:30] <wgrant> nigelb: I'm not a Launchpad dev, so I am probably not the best to talk to about that.
[10:30] <nigelb> wgrant, oh! I thought you were :)
[10:30] <geser> OOPS-1503EC640 and OOPS-1503ED425 happened when I tried to file a bug through the LP API
[10:39] <kermiac> is this the right channel to have someone ban a user in LP?
[10:40] <kermiac> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/100682
[10:41] <kermiac> I'm not the only one that has been effected by this user changing things. We've been discussing it in #ubuntu-bugs & at least 2 of the devs in #ubuntu-desktop are very annoyed by what he has been doing
[10:41] <kermiac> s/effected/affected
[12:21] <sinzui> kermiac: I can suspend him and leave a note about it.
[12:28] <chrisccoulson> sinzui: i think kermiac is afk now, but thanks for suspending the account
[12:29] <sinzui> chrisccoulson: I sent a en email to the user and demanded that he reply in the next 48 hours, or I will suspend him.
[12:29] <chrisccoulson> sinzui: thanks, that's appreciated
[12:31] <nigel_nb> thanks sinzui, much appreciated :)
[13:31] <micahg> gmb: any chance of getting the reliable bug syncing fixed?
[13:32] <gmb> micahg: You mean the launchpad-dumbly-links-everything bug? (Which I touched this morning but can't remember the nubmer of off the top of my head)?
[13:32] <micahg> gmb: yes :)
[13:33] <micahg> bug 499113
[13:33] <gmb> Ah, yes.
[13:33] <gmb> micahg: Let me just take a looksie at it; if it doesn't break too many tests I might be able to fix that today.
[13:33] <micahg> gmb: that would be wonderful :)
[13:35] <micahg> gmb: is the only way to delete watches with comments by an admin right now?
[13:36] <gmb> micahg: Yes.
[13:37] <micahg> gmb: k, I assume that would be a hard one to fix, right?
[13:37] <gmb> micahg: What, making it possible for anyone to delete those watches?
[13:37] <gmb> Or at least their comments?
[13:37] <micahg> gmb: I guess so...I need to go clean up the mozilla bugs both upstream and in LP :)
[13:38] <micahg> not today obviously
[13:39] <gmb> micahg: Well, once my fix is in place - which may be today but probably not because we've got to roll it out to the production server that does the linking - you can clean up the mozilla bugzilla.
[13:39] <gmb> And I'll write a script to find the offending comments and remove / hide them.
[13:40] <micahg> gmb: ooh, that would be great, thanks :)
[13:40] <gmb> micahg: Okay, I'll add a note to the bug.
[13:41] <micahg> gmb: there's one exception though (not trying to be complicated), if upstream is marked a dupe and people reply through LP?
[13:42] <gmb> micahg: Sorry, can you clarify that for me... the upstream watched bug (on b.m.o) is marked as a dupe, but people are replying through LP?
[13:42] <micahg> gmb: yes, people replied through LP before it was marked a dupe...when an upstream bug is marked a dupe, we change the bugwatch to the new bug....
[13:43] <gmb> Ah, right.
[13:43] <micahg> shouldn't be too many as this is new functionality...
[13:43] <gmb> micahg: But the watch is valid now, right? It's not a case of a spurious link having comment syncing done on it or something?
[13:43] <micahg> gmb: let's assume it's valid now
[13:44] <micahg> the other use case of what to do with comments imported when a watch changes, we can deal with later
[13:46] <gmb> micahg: Okay. Can you give me an example of one of these bugs?
[13:47] <micahg> bug 512615
[13:47] <micahg> people in LP are even getting confused and ignoring the bug task now :)
[13:51] <gmb> micahg: So, which is the *invalid* mozilla bugwatch on that bug? After my fix lands we'll only sync with mozilla-bugs #404637. We can hide any comments on other bugs except those with responses, if you want.
[13:52] <micahg> gmb: yes
[13:52] <gmb> micahg: Right. That's what we'll do then.
[13:52] <micahg> the other ones are related, but I don't think we should pull in everything
[13:53] <gmb> micahg: No, we shouldn't. Well, the bug is that we pull in everything regardless. So, to fix that we'll only pull in from those watches linked to a bug task. We can maybe work to expand that later, but I don't have a way to fix that right now. This part of the fix is simple.
[13:55] <micahg> gmb: yep, and as a developer I know to take what I can get :)
[13:55] <gmb> micahg: :)
[14:00] <sebner> heya folks! Anyone an idea about http://paste.ubuntu.com/373384/ ? (Upload/sync of alien-arena) First thought was that dpkg is buggy but explicitly adding quilt b-d also doesn't fix it
[14:00] <persia> Note that the package concerned fails to unpack in a lucid --variant=buildd chroot unless quilt is manually installed.
[14:01] <persia> But lucid sbuild can build it just fine in a --variant=buildd chroot if quilt is set as a build-dep.
[14:01] <sebner> Fails with LP, PPA, local lucid pbuilder. Works extracting the source manually with dpkg-source and pbuilder sid
[14:08] <wgrant> sebner: That's an #ubuntu-devel question, then.
[14:08] <wgrant> If it's broken in Lucid without LP in the mix...
[14:08] <persia> wgrant: Well, we found a workaround that solved it for local lucid, but not for PPAs, which is what brought us here.
[14:09] <wgrant> persia: It's a dpkg or package bug.
[14:09] <persia> Specifically, lucid has an old version of dpkg, but for local sbuild, adding a build-dep on quilt seems to work around the issue.
[14:10] <persia> Yes,  It's a bug in dpkg that it behaves differently when quilt is/isn't installed.  The confusing bit is why the workaround that works for local sbuild doesn't work for PPAs.
[14:11] <wgrant> The build-depends are read from debian/contorl.
[14:11] <wgrant> That's in the unpacked package.
[14:11] <wgrant> You cannot have special unpack-time dependencies.
[14:11] <persia> Hrm.  In that case, I don't understand why it works with local sbuild.
[14:11] <persia> But that does make sense, I guess we can't work around the dpkg bug that way :)
[14:11] <persia> Thanks.
[14:12] <wgrant> Oh, so it actually works if you just add a build dependency?
[14:12] <persia> For local sbuild, yes.
[14:14] <sebner> wgrant: local pbuilder (lucid) build works now too btw. PPA not!
[14:15] <wgrant> Hm, actually, it looks like it should work.
[14:15] <wgrant> Do you have a build log?
[14:15] <wgrant> Ohhh.
[14:15] <wgrant> I know.
[14:15] <wgrant> It's rejected at upload time, isn't it?
[14:15] <wgrant> Not build time?
[14:16] <sebner> wgrant: ay
[14:16] <sebner> e
[14:16] <sebner> Rejected:
[14:16] <sebner> dpkg-source failed for alien-arena_7.33-2ubuntu1.dsc [return: 2]
[14:16] <sebner> [dpkg-source output:   dpkg-source: info: extracting alien-arena in alien-arena-7.33
[14:16] <sebner>   dpkg-source: info: unpacking alien-arena_7.33.orig.tar.gz
[14:16] <sebner>   dpkg-source: info: unpacking alien-arena_7.33-2ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz
[14:16] <sebner>   dpkg-source: info: applying launch-server_tool_debianization.patch]
[14:16] <wgrant> It's because the uploader unpacks it.
[14:16] <sebner> wgrant: so the uploader is buggy?
[14:16] <wgrant> A fixed dpkg is needed on cocoplum and germanium.
[14:16] <wgrant> No.
[14:16] <wgrant> It's not buggy.
[14:16] <wgrant> dpkg is.
[14:17] <sebner> dpkg always is *muahahaha*
[14:17] <wgrant> Unless somebody declares that you have to install build dependencies to unpack a package, in which case the world is broken and just about impossible to fix.
[14:17] <persia> No, dpkg is buggy.  We were just trying to work around it.  Needs a merge.  I think cjwatson indicated that one was planned.
[14:18] <persia> sebner: -> #ubuntu-devel :)
[14:19] <wgrant> Once it's in Lucid the buildds will be fixed, but it needs to be pushed to other places too before uploads can actually be accepted :/
[14:19] <persia> wgrant: Well, we'll come back once it's in lucid :)
[14:32] <gmb> micahg: So, bad news: making that one line change to fix bug 499113 breaks 13 different tests in all kinds of horrible ways, so it's unlikely I can land a fix for it today. I'll take another look later today if I've got time, see if the tests are trivial to fix, but I can't devote the time to it right now.
[14:33] <micahg> gmb: ok, will you be on tomorrow?    I might have a little time to help
[14:33] <exarkun> Any way to remove other people's branches from http://code.launchpad.net/<project> yet?
[14:34] <exarkun> Or heck, how do you even remove your own branch from that page without merging it into something else?
[14:34] <maxb> You could change the branch status to Abandoned
[14:34] <gmb> micahg: Yes, I'll be around from 09:00 - 17:00 UTC.
[14:35] <exarkun> maxb: And for the former?
[14:35] <micahg> gmb: great :)
[14:36] <maxb> No, there is no way for project owners to control the status of other people's branches of their project
[14:46] <nijaba> Hello.  Is there a known pb with OpenID?  Can't login to some web site using my https://launchpad.net/~your_nickname url.
[14:49] <salgado> nijaba, some users complained about it a few days ago but it turned out to be a problem on the other side.  yours might be similar.  bac, do you remember the bug # for the OpenID login failing on blogger.com?
[14:49] <bac> salgado: otp.  give me a sec
[14:50] <nijaba> salgado: it's really weird, I have now checked on 4 sites, 2 work, 2 do not...
[14:58] <salgado> nijaba, bug 449105 is the one I was talking about
[14:58] <nijaba> salgado: ok; I'll look into it, thanks
[15:08] <maxb> LOSAs: Loggerhead seems unhappy. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jelmer/meta-lp-deps/debian/changes  -->  "Internal Server Error"
[15:09] <bac> salgado-lunch: this is the similar bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/canonical-identity-provider/+bug/449105
[15:09] <bac> salgado-lunch: a new bug specifically for blogger was not opened since it is the same issue and appears to not be our fault
[15:10] <Chex> maxb: looking, thanks
[15:14] <jldupont> hi - just curious: are there any LP badge that show up the Karma points?
[15:20] <Chex> maxb: I think loggerhead is ok, this url checks out fine: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/busybox/main/changes
[15:24] <maxb> Chex: But the one I gave doesn't
[15:25] <Chex> maxb: yes thats true, I will need to invegstigate further, but I just meant it doesn't seem like a general service issue.
[15:25] <maxb> I agree, it doesn't affect all branches
[15:45] <tmow> hi all
[15:45] <tmow> is lp down? I'm not sure I have network issues or if it's lp
[15:46] <oojah> tmow: Looks ok for me (in the UK)
[15:46] <tmow> I don't know how to troubleshoot... which is the server name and the port?
[15:46] <tmow> oojah: thx
[15:51] <tmow> bzr uses env variables to use a proxy server... the proxy server is correctly set, i'm using it with other apps...
[15:52] <tmow> but bzr fails to connect to lp with errno 111
[15:52] <tmow> connection refused...
[15:52] <tmow> anybody as an idea please?
[15:54] <desrt> hi guys
[15:54] <desrt> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/vfat-noexec
[15:54] <desrt> Registered by Ryan Lortie on 5 minutes ago
[15:54] <desrt> pretty trivial fix, i guess
[15:58] <persia> desrt: Which are you hoping to accomplish about the blueprint?
[15:58] <desrt> just pointing out that "on 5 minutes ago" isn't grammatically correct
[15:58] <desrt> a bug in launchpad
[15:59] <persia> aha!
[16:12] <lfaraone> doctormo: have you considered merging python-xdgapp with upstream python-xdg?
[16:14] <doctormo> lfaraone: Yes, because the way xdg positions it's self as a class wrapper for application interactions with xdg, it didn't seem right.
[16:18] <lfaraone> doctormo: well, POX uploaded python-xdgapp to Debian NEW. Once it's accepted, I'll get an archive admin to sync it over.
[16:18] <doctormo> lfaraone: That sounds good, I don't know what it means, but it sounds like progress :-) thank you
[16:19] <lfaraone> doctormo: okay. in a day or so, python-xdgapp will have been accepted into the Debian "unstable" repository. From there, we can import it into Ubuntu's lucid with only a bug report and an ACK by a motu.
[16:23] <doctormo> lfaraone: Sounds great, thanks very much for pushing at it
[16:30] <Fenix|work> Greetings...
[16:31] <Fenix|work> ... how does one get Launchpad?
[16:31] <Fenix|work> (to install locally)
[16:33] <oojah> Fenix|work: See https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting
[16:33] <Fenix|work> Thanks.
[16:34] <Fenix|work> Also, is there any way to import from bugzilla into Launchpad?
[16:36] <persia> Fenix|work: Yes, but I believe it's something one requests with a question.
[16:37] <Fenix|work> a question where?
[16:37] <jpds> Fenix|work: answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[16:38] <Fenix|work> Ahh, thank you.  I've enjoyed launchpad with other projects and with Ubuntu and am happy it's now OS, so I'm new to this aspect of the launchpad website.
[18:09] <Laney> how would one go about getting a PPA which builds for ia64?
[18:12] <maxb> AFAIK it's just a setting by a Launchpad admin, such that builds happen on the Ubuntu buildfarm instead of the PPA one, but I've no idea who is empowered to authorize that.
[18:12] <maxb> You could ask doko, who has one, to tell you who to ask
[18:13] <cjohnston> Is the LP mailing list system still in beta?
[18:13]  * Laney will ping the help contact. mwhudson ^^^ ?
[18:18] <Laney> I could just upload to -release ;)
[18:26] <persia> Laney: I think you need to ask a question, but uploading seems more common.  I also think directhex has one if you need a test-build.
[18:28] <Laney> that is really all I want
[18:29] <Laney> the problem is that this is ghc, and uploading would be Bad News
[18:33] <persia> Laney: Indeed.
[18:33] <persia> You might also ask in -motu or -devel for other people with hardware.
[18:34] <Laney> I really want to know if this will work when I upload it
[18:34] <Laney> there have been problems in Debian with this working on porterboxes but not on the buildds
[18:35] <Laney> i'll do a launchpad question
[18:37] <persia> Laney: I think you'll get a faster response asking for people with hardware, but OK :)
[18:38] <Laney> persia: I really do want to test it on a buildd though :(
[18:38] <persia> Shouldn't be that different, but yeah, I understand.
[18:40] <Laney> I reckon this is one of those cases where a difference is more likely to cause problems
[18:40] <Laney> the experience in tweaking the build for all of Debian's weird architectures shows that ghc is pretty sensitive
[18:44] <persia> And you think the buildd sbuild is going to behave sufficiently differently?
[18:48] <Laney> persia: That was the case when the Debian maintainer tried, I believe
[18:48] <Laney> I just want to be very careful with ghc
[18:48] <persia> Makes sense.
[18:49] <lfaraone> persia: would you happen to know anybody else I could bug about reviewing groundcontrol? 1.4 is now in REVU, and the "clean" is now fixed.
[18:49] <Laney> #ubuntu-motu please
[18:49] <persia> lfaraone: Don't bug people.  Bug teams.
[18:49] <lfaraone> Laney: sorry, my apologies.
[18:49] <persia> lfaraone: So, ask in -motu, or ask here (but -motu is likely to have more reviewers).
[18:49] <Laney> no problem
[18:50] <persia> Laney: This channel has had a lot of ground-control upstream talk, so it's not entirely off-topic (as ground-control is so tightly linked to launchpad)
[18:50] <Laney> alright (I have no idea what that is)
[18:50] <persia> Mind you, I might be wrong about that.
[18:51] <persia> From what I can tell, it's a tool that provides a GUI wrapper for managing LP projects & branches.
[19:02] <I-Blocklist624> Hello, there is a translation that wont confirm, is an admin here than can take alook and maybe check the database to see why?
[19:37] <micahg> spm: Gerry C is still at it
[20:21] <lifeless> Chex: around ?
[20:21] <lifeless> micahg: too earliy for spm
[20:24] <lifeless> micahg: whats the users ~NAME ?
[20:24] <bdmurray> lifeless: ubuntunerd-nospammail
[20:25] <lifeless> mbarnett: ^
[20:25] <mbarnett> lifeless:  it is just me right now and i am pretty slammed, won't be able to take a look for a few minutes
[20:26] <mbarnett> hopefully... longer if deploys keep blowing up
[20:26] <lifeless> mbarnett: sure, just passing the info across as I get it.
[20:26] <mbarnett> lifeless: thx
[20:38] <geser> there is also an open question about this user: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+question/100682
[20:41] <lifeless> geser: same user; we're pending mbarnett putting out some other fires
[20:45] <tdn> Launchpad keeps giving me timeout when replying to a question on Answers. What gives?
[20:47] <tdn> Oh. Now it went through.
[20:56] <poolie> hey
[20:56] <lifeless> ho
[20:56] <poolie> is there any public spec or bug for the +patches work that i can point to?
[20:56] <poolie> kfogel: ^^?
[20:57] <kfogel> poolie: bug #506018 links to the public specs
[20:57] <poolie> thanks
[20:58] <poolie> this is not deployed yet, right?
[20:58] <kfogel> poolie: see also any bugs tagged with "story-patch-report".  right now I'm working on bug #255868
[21:15] <wgrant> lifeless: It doesn't actually require a LOSA.
[21:18] <lifeless> wgrant: I did not knowthat :)
[21:19] <wgrant> lifeless: ~registry (eg. CHR) is sufficient these days.
[22:12] <Lord-Readman> how come a translation import is approved, but not imported?
[22:20] <MTecknology> Is it possible to make any questions that were marked answered for a long time to be marked as solved?
[22:25] <MTecknology> oh.. and how do I mark one question as a duplicate of another?
[22:57] <micahg> anyone around who knows about the LP -> bugzilla bug syncing?
[23:09] <seb128> hey
[23:09] <seb128> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+question/100682
[23:10] <seb128> could somebody don't wait for this guy to keep messing with bugs for day to do desactive the account on launchpad?
[23:10] <seb128> being nice is one thing
[23:10] <seb128> but letting somebody create extra work for lot of people is another thing...