[02:28] <Enfew> hi Guys
[02:28] <Enfew> i need some help
[02:29] <Enfew> i;m new ubuntu user
[02:29] <Enfew> using on windows with wubi as ntfs partition,
[02:29] <Enfew> i;m getting low disk space warnings
[02:31] <Enfew> is it really worth to format the partion and and install on 30gb new partion with full installation?
[02:33] <meindian523> Enfew, it is possible to move an existing Ubuntu installation to its own partition
[02:33] <meindian523> without havingto format the disk
[02:34] <Enfew> is this regarding to my question or you are asking me new question?
[02:34] <meindian523> There's a HOWTO in the Tutorials and Tips section for that
[02:34] <meindian523> Enfew, answering your question
[02:34] <Enfew> ok,
[02:34] <meindian523> assuming you DO want Windows still as a dual boot option
[02:35] <Enfew> ah, you said it is possibel ,and i read "is it possible.
[02:35] <Enfew> lol, sory,
[02:35] <meindian523> np
[02:35] <Enfew> yes, i want win7 as dualboot
[02:35] <Enfew> the f drive is around 32 gb
[02:35] <Enfew> and formatted in ntfs
[02:36] <meindian523> check out the Tutorials and Tips section on Ubuntu Forums
[02:36] <Enfew> ok, i just joined ubuntu forums
[02:36] <Enfew> i'm checking now
[02:36] <meindian523> It has to do with LVM etc,I don't even know the procedure
[02:37] <Enfew> i read somewhere that LVM is not compatible to 10.04
[02:37] <Enfew> tell me something
[02:37] <meindian523> I installed right onto disk from first experimentwith Linux
[02:37] <Enfew> have you used on with wubi?
[02:38] <meindian523> nope, installed Wubi once
[02:38] <meindian523> at the time I had a functioning Ubuntu installation on disk too
[02:38] <Enfew> what i want to know is that, is it worth to migrate from wubi to installation?
[02:38] <meindian523> so didn't play around with it much
[02:39] <meindian523> I would say yes
[02:39] <Enfew> because i dont want to waste so much time because i dont have
[02:39] <Enfew> i do work 13 hrs on pc
[02:39] <Enfew> but i'm a fulltime freelancer
[02:40] <meindian523> the performance benefits of native fs will,IMO,
[02:40] <meindian523> make it worth the while
[02:40] <Enfew> and i dont want to waste alot of time..
[02:40] <Enfew> but i'm really loving ubuntu
[02:40] <meindian523> but you could ask others withmore experience
[02:40] <Enfew> btw, what you do?
[02:40] <Enfew> i'm indian too :)
[02:41] <meindian523> grad student in Elec Engg
[02:41] <meindian523> :)
[02:41] <Enfew> where is Elec Engg?
[02:41] <Enfew> lol
[02:41] <meindian523> ElectricalEnggineering
[02:41] <Enfew> i know,
[02:42] <Enfew> i was talking to somebody else, and i thought ......
[02:42] <paultag> Enfew: you can't migrate wubi with much luck
[02:42] <meindian523> typing with one hand, specially non-dominant hand, while having dinner, is pretty difficult
[02:42] <Enfew> ah, i do that too.
[02:42] <paultag> Enfew: it's very hard because it does some funny things to get it to play with the windows mbr
[02:42] <Enfew> typing with one hand,
[02:42] <paultag> erm, bootloader
[02:42] <paultag> not mbr
[02:42] <paultag> sorry, I'm tired
[02:43] <collinp> Un-tired yourself.
[02:43] <Enfew> paul, i can format this F drive again,
[02:43] <meindian523> Enfew, listen to paultag,he's got far more exp/knowledge
[02:43] <Enfew> and  install fresh
[02:43] <paultag> Enfew: that would be the way to go, just remember to back up the home directory. If you are installing the same distro version number, make a tar gunzip of the /home/ dir and extract it once you install
[02:43] <paultag> collinp: NO WAI
[02:44] <Enfew> i will format and install ubuntu from usb, will that work?
[02:44] <paultag> Enfew: it's a bit messy, but wubi was made to be a gateway drug, just get you hooked enough
[02:44] <paultag> Enfew: yessir, yes it will
[02:44] <Enfew> also,
[02:44] <meindian523> but make sure to use the same username:password as your Wubi install
[02:44] <paultag> meindian523: that does not matter :P
[02:44] <Enfew> i have downloaded iso, but checksum is differnet
[02:44] <paultag> meindian523: just the username
[02:44] <meindian523> ah
[02:44] <paultag> Enfew: Oh shoot, that's not good
[02:45] <paultag> Enfew: Have you tried re-downloading again?
[02:45]  * meindian523 used same password too,just to be safe
[02:45] <Enfew> then, i downloaded on windows from online installer,
[02:45] <paultag> Enfew: and if so, do the two downloaded files have matching MD5's?
[02:45] <meindian523> Enfew, use torrent
[02:45] <Enfew> no, i havent tried downloading two isos
[02:46] <paultag> OK
[02:46] <paultag> Enfew: Where did you download it from?
[02:46] <paultag> Enfew: was it from the Ubuntu site?
[02:46] <Enfew> ubuntu's main server
[02:46] <Enfew> yep,.
[02:46] <Enfew> what i want to know is downloading from torrent will work?
[02:46] <paultag> Enfew: I'd just use it, the chance of it actually being corrupt or comprimised is pretty slim
[02:47] <paultag> Enfew: just be sure to update / upgrade as soon as it installs
[02:47] <meindian523> Enfew, yes, and it won't have any errors
[02:47] <aveilleux> Enfew, if you
[02:47] <aveilleux> re really concerned, you can use the on-disc check*
[02:47] <paultag> +1 aveilleux
[02:47] <aveilleux> Darn Enter key
[02:47] <paultag> Enfew: aveilleux is right, I'd do that
[02:47] <meindian523> +2
[02:48] <Enfew> but i dont have time to check so many stuff,
[02:48] <Enfew> because i'm full time freelancer,
[02:48] <paultag> Enfew: it's a very quick test
[02:48] <aveilleux> Enfew: Because it checks the files, rather than the entire disc, for consistency
[02:48] <meindian523> +1
[02:48] <paultag> Enfew: this install won't take more then an hour
[02:48] <meindian523> +2
[02:48] <Enfew> so how did i check it?
[02:48] <paultag> Enfew: it will present you with a menu, just select the test option and hit enter
[02:48] <Enfew> how can i perform why dont i just ?
[02:48] <paultag> Enfew: after it will boot as normal
[02:48] <meindian523> boot with the CD in the CDROM drive and ^^
[02:49] <paultag> meindian523: usb *
[02:49] <meindian523> ah, right
[02:49] <aveilleux> Enfew: On the Desktop edition, when the little icons at the bottom of the screen appear (the little man and the keyboard), hit any key and you will be presented with a menu
[02:49] <meindian523> boot with the pendrive in the USB port and ^^
[02:49] <aveilleux> Enfew: One of those options is to check the disc
[02:49] <Enfew> ok, great
[02:49] <Enfew> just thought i'd let you guys know,
[02:50] <paultag> Enfew: do you have a copy of it's md5sum?
[02:50] <Enfew> That i tried 5 - 6 times installing on pc, and 2 times as full installation,
[02:50] <Enfew> i didnt worked,
[02:50] <paultag> Humm
[02:50] <paultag> Enfew: Why?
[02:50] <paultag> ( do you know? )
[02:50] <Enfew> plus i installed this windows tool for checking checksum of ubuntu
[02:50] <paultag> windows ftl
[02:51] <Enfew> it says i have differnet checksum
[02:51] <paultag> use md5sum <file>
[02:51] <Enfew> when i searched on internet,  i saw that redownloading will solve the isssue,
[02:52] <Enfew> use md5sum <file>?
[02:52] <paultag> `md5sum' is a command under most GNU/Linux operating systems
[02:52] <Enfew> is there any way i can just download md5sum file and replace with in that iso?
[02:53] <meindian523> Enfew, md5sum is a number,not a file
[02:54] <paultag> Enfew: the MD5 sum is like addition, let's say the file looks like: "0001 0100 0001", one sum of a basic algorithm would be 0101
[02:54] <paultag> meindian523: and if you change the numbers ( data ) in the file, the sum will change
[02:54]  * meindian523 keeps forgetting that paultag is available
[02:54] <paultag> erm Enfew *
[02:54] <paultag> meindian523: :P
[02:54] <meindian523> :)
[02:54] <Enfew> yes, i encrypt stuff right?
[02:54] <paultag> Enfew: So, the "checksum" is how you can "check" the file by it's "sum"
[02:54] <paultag> Enfew: you can use it for basic encryption, but it should not be used that way :)
[02:55] <paultag> Enfew: it's a one-way hash
[02:55] <Enfew> i mean it encrypt the md5sum into some file
[02:55] <Enfew> ok,
[02:55] <Enfew> thanks,
[02:55] <paultag> Enfew: nosir, you can't put the MD5 sum of a file into the file it's self
[02:55] <Enfew> so i cant use any file?
[02:55] <meindian523> nope
[02:55] <paultag> Enfew: because you can't know the md5 sum until you add up the file, and if you don't know the part of the file, you don't know the sum ( recursion )
[02:55] <Enfew> ok, i got the meaning of md5
[02:56] <paultag> Enfew: are you sure?
[02:56]  * meindian523 wonders the same
[02:56] <Enfew> i use it in mysql db
[02:56] <paultag> Enfew: because you use it does not mean you know how it works
[02:56] <paultag> Enfew: but that's fine, we can move on
[02:56] <Enfew> yes,
[02:57] <Enfew> give me a sec,
[02:57] <paultag> I'm a patiant guy, I'll give you two
[02:57] <meindian523> :)
[02:57] <meindian523> lol
[02:57] <paultag> :P
[02:57] <Enfew> here,
[02:57] <Enfew> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[02:57]  * meindian523 goes to clean up the dishes
[02:58] <meindian523> exactly, is what I think paultag will say now
[02:58] <paultag> exactly
[02:58] <Enfew> d044a2a0c8103fc3e5b7e18b0f7de1c8 	  ubuntu-10.04-desktop-i386.iso
[02:58] <Enfew> is mine
[02:58] <paultag> Enfew: what's your sum?
[02:58] <Enfew> so, i want to know that all ubuntu has same md5?
[02:59] <paultag> wait, what?
[02:59] <paultag> Enfew: I think you're still not getting the point of md5 checksums
[02:59] <aveilleux> Enfew: Ubuntu's md5sums are published
[02:59] <meindian523> ok that md5 checked out
[02:59] <Enfew> i checked sum from windows, and rightnow i'm on ubuntu,
[03:00] <paultag> Enfew: can you please furnish the md5sum of the iso?
[03:00] <paultag> Enfew: it would help us greatly :)
[03:00] <meindian523> Enfew, did you get that md5 from the page, or did you get it fromthe md5sum <path to iso file>
[03:00] <Enfew> i get from ubuntu page,
[03:00] <paultag> +1, also make sure it's base 16
[03:00] <paultag> and not base 64
[03:01] <Enfew> ok, you want to know my md5 ?
[03:01] <paultag> Enfew: yes, please
[03:01] <Enfew> how can i check it?
[03:01] <Enfew> i really appreciate your help, :)
[03:01] <Enfew> thanks paul, and indian523
[03:01] <paultag> Enfew: sure. Where's the ISO file located?
[03:02] <paultag> Enfew: It's no problem. It's what we're here for
[03:02] <Enfew> aveillux too,.
[03:02] <paultag> Enfew: I'm guessing it's on the Windows drive?
[03:02] <Enfew> iso is located in e: user > myname > downloads
[03:02] <Enfew> yes,
[03:03] <paultag> Enfew: cd /host/user/myname/downloads ( might need to make sure the case is corrent, that matters )
[03:03] <paultag> Enfew: providing you're in Wubi, of course
[03:04] <Enfew> and what about cd  /host <?
[03:04] <Enfew> c: ?
[03:04] <Enfew> i mean e ?
[03:04] <paultag> hum?
[03:04] <paultag> Enfew: try doing this for me:
[03:04] <Enfew> what should i type to go in the specific partion?
[03:04] <paultag> Enfew: nautilus /host
[03:05] <Enfew> wait a sec,
[03:05] <paultag> Enfew: you should not have to, not yet. You might have to if it did something funny
[03:05] <paultag> Enfew: but let's try the easy way first
[03:05] <Enfew> i will reboot on win7
[03:05] <Enfew> and then tell you guys
[03:05] <Enfew> thanks again
[03:05] <paultag> Enfew: OK
[03:05] <paultag> Enfew: sure, we'll be waiting
[03:06] <paultag> heyya jgoguen, long time no see
[03:06] <paultag> jgoguen: you're missing over in -team
[03:06] <jgoguen> paultag: Lies! I'm there :)
[03:06] <paultag> oh noes!
[03:06] <Enfew> any one please email me http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-beginners url to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:07] <Enfew> because i dont know what url will be on win7.
[03:07] <Enfew> thanks :)
[03:07] <meindian523> uh, the same URL?
[03:07] <aveilleux> What
[03:07] <Enfew> yep,
[03:07] <Enfew> i'm on ubuntu
[03:07] <paultag> Enfew: do this
[03:07] <paultag> Enfew: echo "nautilus /host
[03:07] <aveilleux> meindian523: I think they mean that they won't remember
[03:07] <paultag> Shoot!
[03:07] <paultag> Enfew: echo "http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-beginners" > /host/webchat.txt
[03:08] <paultag> Enfew: then it will be under C:\webchat.txt
[03:08] <Enfew> ok, let me get my hands dirty with this command
[03:08] <Enfew> lol
[03:08] <paultag> :)
[03:14] <Enfew> back
[03:16] <paultag> heyya Enfew, welcome back
[03:16] <Enfew> let me check the md5
[03:20] <Enfew> 25c45fba580067db42a0e975bfb1def9
[03:20] <Enfew> is my md5
[03:20] <paultag> humm
[03:20] <paultag> yeah, that's wrong
[03:20] <Enfew> according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[03:20] <paultag> Enfew: I'd redownload it
[03:20] <Enfew> i should be d044a2a0c8103fc3e5b7e18b0f7de1c8 ubuntu-10.04-desktop-i386.iso
[03:21] <Enfew> ok,
[03:21] <Enfew> lets say i download torrent
[03:21] <Enfew> and i open iso with rar
[03:21] <Enfew> then get the checksum
[03:21] <Enfew> and use in this package
[03:21] <Enfew> will that work?
[03:22] <paultag> Enfew: I still think you don't know what an md5sum is
[03:22] <Enfew> lol. yes
[03:22] <Enfew> i dont actually,
[03:22] <Enfew> so every package has different md5 or something?
[03:23] <paultag> OK, let's start from scratch
[03:23] <paultag> bare basics
[03:23] <Enfew> ok
[03:23] <paultag> Let's use TCP/IP checksums
[03:23] <paultag> they're easy
[03:23] <Enfew> ok,
[03:23] <Enfew> Tcp/ip,
[03:24] <Enfew> lol nothing
[03:24] <Enfew> continue
[03:24] <paultag> Let's say you want to send two bits over the line, how do you make sure that they were transmitted without a 0 turning to a 1 Enfew ?
[03:24] <Enfew> nothing,
[03:24] <Enfew> please countinue.
[03:24] <wambiri> hi all
[03:24] <paultag> So, let's say you want to send two bytes "00100110" and "01110101"
[03:25] <paultag> 00100110
[03:25] <aveilleux> Hello wambiri, what can we do for you
[03:25] <paultag> 01110101
[03:25] <paultag> --------
[03:25] <Enfew> ok
[03:25] <paultag> the checksum is 10011011
[03:25] <wambiri> anyone know of any movement on the fglrx driver issues with maverick?
[03:25] <paultag> Enfew: ( add up the two using the one's complement )
[03:26] <wambiri> my lynx is popping up a udev error when it tries to boot
[03:26] <paultag> Enfew: so that the only way that that number is right is if those two bytes were sent without transmission error
[03:26] <wambiri> i (foolishly) upgraded to maverick last night
[03:26] <paultag> Enfew: That works fine for small numbers, but not large files
[03:27] <wambiri> i'm making progress on the forums though
[03:27] <paultag> Enfew: md5 and sha hases work really well with large dataset to produce a unique hash fingerprint for a set of 0's and 1's
[03:27] <Enfew> umm... interesting,
[03:27] <paultag> Enfew: the way you're using md5 sums in a DB is you are doing that "checksum" on a string, and comparing that. It makes it so you can store the PW in the DB without storing the plaintext pw
[03:28] <paultag> Enfew: but instead of a string, you're giving it the whole file
[03:28] <paultag> Enfew: so that md5 is like your mysql db, it just makes sure the password ( iso file ) was transmitted correctly
[03:28] <Enfew> got it,
[03:28] <Enfew> thanks,
[03:28] <Enfew> also,
[03:28] <paultag> Enfew: so you see, you can't put that md5 sum into the file
[03:28] <paultag> Enfew: or the md5sum will change ;)
[03:29] <paultag> just the md5 of "sister" files
[03:29] <meindian523> for that matter, you couldn't insert a single byte into the file,because the md5 would change
[03:29] <paultag> meindian523: right, for instance a virus ;)
[03:30] <meindian523> yep
[03:33] <Enfew> ok, i would like to ask you guys another question,
[03:33] <Enfew> for how long you guys are using ubuntu?
[03:33] <paultag> Enfew: since 2001
[03:33] <aveilleux> Enfew: Rougly five years now
[03:34] <Enfew> have you used windows7?
[03:34] <paultag> Enfew: no
[03:34] <aveilleux> paultag: Ubuntu was initially released in 2004 <_<
[03:34] <meindian523> since 2006 here
[03:34] <aveilleux> Enfew: I have, yes
[03:34] <paultag> aveilleux: Oh shucks, I thought he said Linux
[03:34]  * meindian523 has not
[03:34] <paultag> see what you want to see
[03:34] <paultag> since 2007, then
[03:34] <aveilleux> paultag: Hehe
[03:35] <Enfew> paultag: what you do?
[03:35] <paultag> Enfew: I'm a Software Engineer
[03:35] <paultag> I write code, bitches.
[03:35] <Enfew> ok, but what exactly?
[03:36] <Enfew> i mean your work is around linux?
[03:36] <Enfew> linux is something that you cant work with?
[03:36] <paultag> Enfew: I'm doing research these days. I only use Free Software in my work.
[03:36] <jgoguen> paultag: Can I come work with you? :)
[03:37] <paultag> Enfew: decentralized algorithms, mostly
[03:37] <paultag> jgoguen: sure :)
[03:37] <meindian523> paultag, can I get some research guidance?
[03:37] <Enfew> what i want to know that, is it worth switching to ubuntu
[03:37] <paultag> meindian523: sure
[03:37] <paultag> Enfew: I'm biased.
[03:37] <Enfew> i'm using windows from 4 - 5 years
[03:38] <jgoguen> Enfew: Most likely, yes it is :)
[03:38] <meindian523> so is everyone in this channel
[03:38] <Enfew> i have the latest win7
[03:38] <paultag> sorry to hear that
[03:38] <jgoguen> Condolences
[03:38] <Enfew> i'm not saying win7 is bad, or linux is good
[03:38] <Enfew> i'm saying is both has its pros and cons
[03:39] <Enfew> i have 15 email accounts configured with email client, so many stuff,
[03:39] <Enfew> i work on php, html, css stuff
[03:39] <Enfew> i have so many client files
[03:39] <Enfew> and stuff
[03:39] <Enfew> you know what i'm saying
[03:39] <jgoguen> Enfew: Everything has pros and cons, any change will require some effort. Part of answering your question will be asking what tools you need and what the best tool for the job really is.
[03:40] <meindian523> Enfew, back up to external,restore when done
[03:40] <Enfew> rightnow, i like both os, in win7 i have bunch of stuff, and in ubuntu, i have to start from begining.
[03:40] <meindian523> but if you need Windows only applications
[03:41] <meindian523> stick with Windows
[03:41] <jgoguen> Enfew: I'm a system administrator and web developer, I have to work with people using Windows and Mac, Photoshop, MS Office, and various other things, and I use Free Software to do it all
[03:41] <meindian523> specially if it'll affect your work
[03:41] <Enfew> i tried gimp as alternative to photoshop
[03:41] <Enfew> but i did not work
[03:42] <Enfew> i think you guys have experience when you have to format your pc when you dont want to,
[03:42] <Enfew> and then it takes few days to get back on normal track
[03:42] <Enfew> but here, in this case,
[03:42] <jgoguen> As I'm sure you've noticed Gimp and Photoshop work completely differently :) I believe that anything you can do in Photoshop can be done in Gimp, but I guarantee you'll need to learn all of the advanced Photoshop stuff again to do the same stuff in Gimp.
[03:43] <Enfew> I can use everything i have, or i have to do it from begining
[03:43] <Enfew> jgojuen: thats what i'm saying, i dont have time to learn, because i have pending work of clients to complete
[03:43] <meindian523> boss dekho
[03:44] <Enfew> so should i switch to ubuntu?
[03:44] <meindian523> tumhare paas do machine hai?
[03:44] <Enfew> yep,
[03:44] <Enfew> but the other is not mine.
[03:44] <meindian523> to production machine ko haath mat lagana
[03:44] <Enfew> yep, yahi to mai sooch raha hu
[03:44] <meindian523> khudke machine par seekhne ke baad poora kaam migrate karo
[03:45] <meindian523> acchasocha,ab implement karo
[03:45] <Enfew> i'm planning to buy new laptop, but i was thinking to install osx on that, but now hackintosh never works great
[03:46] <Enfew> so i think i will install and play with linux on that laptop
[03:46] <jgoguen> Enfew: Since you have so many things that depend on things working just as you know them now, you should gently move over. Start with Windows-based Free Software and go from there.
[03:46] <Enfew> ok, another thing, i would like to ask
[03:46] <jgoguen> Enfew: You can download Gimp for Windows, Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice, and many other Free Software applications for Windows
[03:47] <Enfew> thanks a lot guys, i really appreciate your help.
[03:47] <Enfew> have anyone hosted any website from his/her own pc?
[03:48] <jgoguen> I have
[03:48] <Enfew> do i have to open my pc for 24 hrs?
[03:49] <seidos> Enfew, you don't have to, but the site won't be up when your computer isn't on.
[03:49] <jgoguen> Enfew: That's basically it...your site is only accessible while the PC is on.
[03:49] <Enfew> yes,
[03:50] <Enfew> i know some guys who host their site from homepc
[03:50] <jgoguen> Enfew: If that's OK, like if it's a test site for work, then you can just shut down at the end of the day like usual. But if you want it accessible 24/7 then your PC must be on 24/7.
[03:51] <Enfew> so constant 7 days will not affect on my pc?
[03:51] <meindian523> Enfew, plus you need a static IP from BSNL
[03:52] <Enfew> static IP? how?
[03:52] <Enfew> will my ip work?
[03:52] <jgoguen> meindian523: Or a service like DynDNS
[03:52] <meindian523> jgoguen, possibly
[03:52] <meindian523> how, I do not know
[03:52] <jgoguen> Enfew: Well it will, hard drives will eventually fail and the more a computer is on the sooner the drive will fail, but depending on how long you plan to go before replacing the computer that may not be an issue for you.
[03:53] <Enfew> ok, so dyndns will work with it right?
[03:54]  * meindian523 wonders how that works,goes off for a bit of research
[03:54] <jgoguen> Enfew: I've had a laptop for over 3 years, it spent the better part of that time acting as a web server, DB server, mail server and SVN server and I still use that laptop today without any problems.
[03:54] <jgoguen> Enfew: DynDNS should be fine as long as your IP doesn't change very frequently and you set up one of their clients to auto-update your dynamic hostname
[03:55] <Enfew> btw, DynDNS  have any limitations like you cant use more than bla bla hrs?
[03:55] <Enfew> or queries or something?
[03:55] <jgoguen> They have update limits, but it's something crazy like many updates per day for the same machine. I think it's no more than one IP change every half hour per machine
[03:56] <Enfew> i will install on my pc, and host for 12 hrs day,
[03:57] <Enfew> lets say site is getting so many visits, it will not exceed dyndns limitations ?
[03:58] <jgoguen> No, the only issue comes if your IP address changes insanely fast
[03:59] <Enfew> ok, and that happens if i host site from different pc right?
[04:02] <jgoguen> Enfew: Not necessarily. If you disconnect and wait a while you'll probably have a different IP address on the same machine.
[04:02] <Enfew> ok, so constant 5 hrs are good right?
[04:03] <jgoguen> Enfew: Well like I said, their limit is once every half hour
[04:03] <Enfew> thanks a lot for the help.
[04:03] <Enfew> btw, what you do?
[04:04] <jgoguen> Enfew: I'm a system administrator and web/software developer
[04:06] <Enfew> do you have any website, blogS?
[04:07] <jgoguen> http://www.jgoguen.ca/
[04:08] <Enfew> nice.
[04:08] <Enfew> thanks a lot for the help
[04:08] <jgoguen> No problem
[04:09] <Enfew> btw, i blog at http://enfew.com
[04:10] <Enfew> are you fimilar with win registry?
[04:11] <jgoguen> I know enough to be dangerous and to do the odd virus cleanup, but I refuse to provide any assistance on any Registry unless the computer is physically in front of me
[04:11] <seidos> Enfew, what do you blog about?
[04:12] <Enfew> wordpress, php, codeigniter, cakephp, and web dev stuff
[04:13] <Enfew> i'm a wordpress freelancer :)
[04:13] <Enfew> seidos, what you do??
[04:14] <Enfew> i just got all my answers from this guys,
[04:14] <Enfew> they are really helpful.
[04:14] <seidos> Enfew, whatever I can
[04:14] <Enfew> like what?
[04:15] <seidos> Enfew, I enjoy writing and philosophizing the most.  Computers are a hobby of mine.  I am learning php actually.
[04:15] <jgoguen> Well it's time for me to get to bed. Enfew, best of luck with your journey to Ubuntu.
[04:16] <Enfew> ok, thanks Joel for the help
[04:16] <Enfew> philosophizing > i enjoy too :)
[04:18] <Enfew> what are your websites?
[04:21] <seidos> I have a domain, but the website is down
[04:21] <Enfew> ok,
[04:21] <Enfew> i gottta go,
[04:21] <seidos> but I have a blog on blogspot http://redplanetaryearth.blogspot.com
[04:21] <seidos> see ya'
[04:21] <Enfew> Takecare
[04:21] <seidos> you too
[04:22] <Enfew> great, i will check the blog
[04:22] <Enfew> thanks a lot for all the guys in here
[04:22] <Enfew> and takecare seidos
[05:41] <tenach> Anyone use talk/talkd/ntalk ?
[08:57] <jacknife> hello has anybody successfully to install 10.04 server from usb thumb drive?
[08:57] <jacknife> when I tried to do it, grub got install on USB thumb drive not on the Hardrive
[09:02] <jacknife> ???
[14:16] <THE_TABE> hi
[14:18] <Mohan_chml> THE_TABE: Hello
[14:33] <THE_TABE> this is kind of off topic...
[14:34] <THE_TABE> but does anybody know anything about setting up a Subsonic server in Debian?
[14:34] <THE_TABE> or know if there's an irc channel for Subsonic?
[14:47] <duanedesign> THE_TABE: i have never tried to set up Subsonic
[14:50] <duanedesign> THE_TABE: seems fairly straight forward. http://www.activeobjects.no/subsonic/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1486
[14:50] <duanedesign> if you get a jjava error when you run the .sh file see this post http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6460821&postcount=2
[14:52] <THE_TABE> well, i actually have it up and running. i can stream music to my android app but i cannot play any music from the web interface
[15:25] <duanedesign> THE_TABE: ahhh, then my links are useless :)
[16:42] <boywonder> hi, if i log in a su, how do i log out?
[16:44] <geirha> You ran  su user   or  su - user ?  If so, just exit the shell with the exit command or by hitting ctrl+d
[16:52] <boywonder> hey thanks
[17:32] <Mohan_chml> ohai AndrewMC (:
[17:47] <sebsebseb> Hi
[17:48] <Mohan_chml> ohai sebsebseb
[17:48] <sebsebseb> Mohan_chml: hi
[17:48] <Mohan_chml> heya Silver_Fox_ (:
[17:48] <Mohan_chml> whats up sebsebseb ?
[17:48] <Silver_Fox_> Hello Mohan_chml
[17:48] <Silver_Fox_> Hello sebsebseb
[17:48] <Mohan_chml> Silver_Fox_: busy all day?
[17:49] <Silver_Fox_> I very often am busy Mohan_chml . Why do you enquire?
[17:50] <Mohan_chml> You was not here for the past 7 hours and so I enquired Silver_Fox_ and what about your project?
[17:50] <Silver_Fox_> My project has hit a speed bump. I am attempting to resolve an issue with gksu.
[17:51] <Mohan_chml> awww... good luck with it Silver_Fox_ (:
[17:51] <Silver_Fox_> Thank you.  gksu runs,  but the command afterwards does not run. It is annoying.
[17:51] <Silver_Fox_> How are you Mohan_chml  ?
[17:52] <Mohan_chml> I am getting better Silver_Fox_. ty (:
[17:52] <Silver_Fox_> You have been ill?
[17:52] <sebsebseb> Silver_Fox_: Hi
[17:53] <Mohan_chml> Silver_Fox_: I met up with an accident and my left side head and hand got injuries
[17:54] <Silver_Fox_> What happened Mohan_chml ?  :(
[17:54] <Silver_Fox_> How are you sebsebseb
[17:55] <sebsebseb> Silver_Fox_: ok
[17:55] <Mohan_chml> Silver_Fox_: nothing much. My hand will be ready to smack anyone in a week ;)
[18:05] <Silver_Fox_> I have to go. Goodbye.
[18:05] <Silver_Fox_> I am glad your hand is getting better Mohan_chml
[18:34] <THE_TABE> ok, can i ask Tomcat 5.5 questions here?
[18:34] <paultag> THE_TABE: sure, JSP JSF or what
[18:35] <paultag> THE_TABE: I take that back, I hate tomcat and don't remember how to use it
[18:35] <paultag> THE_TABE: but I'll still try
[18:35] <THE_TABE> LOL
[18:35] <THE_TABE> well, i installed Tomcat yesterday
[18:35] <paultag> :)
[18:35] <THE_TABE> on Debian
[18:36] <THE_TABE> I was able to login to the admin/manager pages
[18:36] <THE_TABE> but after a computer reboot I can't get to it anymore
[18:36] <paultag> THE_TABE: is it running?
[18:36] <THE_TABE> pretty sure
[18:36] <THE_TABE> i'll double check
[18:37] <paultag> THE_TABE: do you have apache2 installed ( or anything else that binds to :80 )?
[18:37] <THE_TABE> I just get a white page when I do http://localhost:8180/admin
[18:37] <paultag> Hummmm
[18:37] <paultag> Oh so you're not even binding to 80
[18:37] <THE_TABE> says already running
[18:37] <THE_TABE> no, not binding to 80
[18:37] <THE_TABE> yet
[18:37] <paultag> THE_TABE: anything in the headers?
[18:37] <paultag> THE_TABE: or page source
[18:37] <THE_TABE> that was gonna be the next thing i did!
[18:37] <THE_TABE> in the headers?
[18:38] <paultag> THE_TABE: yuppers
[18:38] <THE_TABE> ok i'm kinda noob so i don't know what you mean
[18:38] <paultag> OK, np. use curl -i
[18:38] <paultag> THE_TABE: `curl -i http://localhost:8180/admin'
[18:39] <THE_TABE> command not found
[18:40] <paultag> THE_TABE: sudo apt-get install curl
[18:40] <THE_TABE> HTTP/1.1 302 Moved Temporarily
[18:40] <THE_TABE> Server: Apache-Coyote/1.1
[18:40] <THE_TABE> Location: http://localhost:8180/admin/
[18:40] <THE_TABE> Transfer-Encoding: chunked
[18:40] <THE_TABE> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:41:01 GMT
[18:41] <paultag> hurmmm
[18:41] <paultag> 13:40:57 < THE_TABE> HTTP/1.1 302 Moved Temporarily
[18:41] <paultag> that's interesting
[18:41] <THE_TABE> yeah
[18:41] <THE_TABE> what's that
[18:41] <THE_TABE> lol
[18:41] <paultag> looks like a redirect
[18:41] <paultag> to http://localhost:8180/admin/
[18:41] <paultag> which is the page you were on
[18:41] <paultag> THE_TABE: are you sure you auth'd right?
[18:42] <THE_TABE> no i'm not sure
[18:42] <THE_TABE> don't know what's changed since it worked yesterday, besides a reboot
[18:42] <paultag> THE_TABE: humm, try restarting the server and going to the admin page again
[18:42] <THE_TABE> okay
[18:47] <THE_TABE> jeesh, takes forever to stop it
[18:47] <THE_TABE> wait, you talking about restarting tomcat or the actual machine?
[18:48] <paultag> THE_TABE: tomcat
[18:51] <THE_TABE> same thing after restart
[18:54] <THE_TABE> when i try http://localhost:8180/manager/html  I get some java.lang.NullPointerException error
[18:59] <itsmeena> ?
[18:59] <itsmeena> !
[18:59] <itsmeena> help
[18:59] <itsmeena> any one to respond ?
[18:59] <itsmeena> Hello
[19:04] <itsmeena>  /HELPOP USERCMDS
[19:48] <malev> hello
[19:48] <malev> duanedesign: are you arroung?
[21:02] <n8ofsp8ds> hey i need help i keep getting this messenge im trying use dvd drive for this program
[21:02] <n8ofsp8ds> For Unix based operating systems: Devices are files!
[21:02] <n8ofsp8ds> Select "File(s)" as Input and enter the device name.
[21:02] <n8ofsp8ds> Linux Example: /dev/cdrom (requires read permissions).
[21:02] <n8ofsp8ds> Writes are automatically disabled for block devices.
[21:02] <n8ofsp8ds> im trying to load an iso
[21:03] <aveilleux> !pastebin |n8ofsp8ds
[21:03] <ubot2> n8ofsp8ds: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[21:04] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds, you're trying to burn an ISO to a DVD? What program are you using?
[21:04] <n8ofsp8ds> no read information the disc
[21:05] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds, So you're... trying to mount a DVD?
[21:05] <aveilleux> Where does an ISO come into play?
[21:06] <n8ofsp8ds> the program check the information the disc and shows if its patch properly or if there's and error
[21:07] <n8ofsp8ds> from a cli window
[21:07] <n8ofsp8ds> with in the program
[21:07] <n8ofsp8ds> and i keep getting the message i showed you
[21:08] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: So you're... running a program that checks the integrity of a disc?
[21:08] <n8ofsp8ds> well integrity of the information on that disc
[21:08] <n8ofsp8ds> the
[21:09] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: May I see a screenshot of the program?
[21:09] <n8ofsp8ds> sure hold up
[21:13] <n8ofsp8ds> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=n3ojo0&s=4
[21:14] <n8ofsp8ds> OOPS
[21:14] <n8ofsp8ds> let me that again
[21:14] <n8ofsp8ds> lol
[21:15] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: You can do a "grab current window" screenshot with a 5-second delay
[21:15] <geirha> Or just hit the Print Screen button ...
[21:17] <n8ofsp8ds> http://i36.tinypic.com/n3ojo0.jpg
[21:17] <n8ofsp8ds> there we go
[21:17] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: May I see a screenshot of the main program window, not just the error window?
[21:18] <geirha> n8ofsp8ds: That's the same picture you jost posted ;P
[21:19] <n8ofsp8ds> http://i35.tinypic.com/xoidfs.jpg
[21:21] <n8ofsp8ds> is that what you needed it
[21:21] <n8ofsp8ds> ??
[21:21] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: Oh, I see the problem. Open Terminal for me, please
[21:21] <n8ofsp8ds> ok
[21:22] <aveilleux> type "sudo umount DVD_ROM" without the quotes
[21:22] <aveilleux> You'll have to enter your password
[21:23] <n8ofsp8ds> umount: DVD_ROM: not found
[21:23] <n8ofsp8ds> i have disc in the dvd rom
[21:23] <n8ofsp8ds> a
[21:24] <n8ofsp8ds> thats why its there
[21:27] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: Odd, I thought Ubuntu only put icons like that on the Desktop if they were mounted. In any case! In the dropdown menu, you have to select "File(s)" and choose /dev/cdrom.
[21:28] <geirha> /dev/cdrom is not readable by users by default.
[21:28] <geirha> You can add your user to the cdrom group to get rw access to it. (Without having to use sudo)
[21:29] <Axident> someone who can help putting this Ubuntu installation to my new hard disk. It's an laptop with the new harddisk connected with USB. My idea is to put my new hard disk i
[21:29] <geirha> I don't think umount takes a label as argument, you need a mount-point or device to unmount it; so sudo umount /dev/cdrom
[21:29] <Axident> in my laptop after that
[21:31] <geirha> Axident: It's pretty much straight forward, just create the partitions needed on the external drive (or have the installer create them), then install.
[21:31] <aveilleux> geirha: He doesn't need rw access. Block-level devices are read-only.
[21:31] <geirha> The only catch is on the last page of the installer, there should be an Advanced button. In there you can choose where grub (the bootloader should be installed)
[21:31] <geirha> Make sure to choose the external drive.
[21:32] <aveilleux> geirha: umount takes a label; I've done sudo umount /media/flash before on one of my older systems... D'OH I just realized the problem
[21:32] <geirha> aveilleux: $ ls -l "$(readlink -f /dev/cdrom)"  # brw-rw----+ 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2010-08-05 18:45 /dev/sr0
[21:32] <aveilleux> nuofsp8ds: the command should be sudo umount /media/DVD_ROM
[21:33] <n8ofsp8ds> umount: /media/DVD_ROM: not found
[21:34] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: Really? That's really weird, since there's an icon on the Desktop. I really thought launchers only appeared there if they were mounted (that happens if I umount a Flash drive)
[21:34] <geirha> Well, you could of course just right-click the icon on the desktop and choose unmount
[21:34] <geirha> But why do it the easy way, aye?
[21:34] <geirha> Guess we're too used to the terminal ;)
[21:35] <n8ofsp8ds> well there's no umount its just say eject disc
[21:36] <aveilleux> That means it's not mounted
[21:37] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: Can you pastebin the result of ls /dev for me, please? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[21:37] <Axident> geirha: I think about making some kind of backup like ghost backup for windows with all installed software and user files. So that I simply can change hard disk and boot up again without any installation. But how?
[21:38] <n8ofsp8ds> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/483622/
[21:40] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: the device you want is /dev/dvd, then
[21:40] <geirha> Axident: Hm. Well, you can copy the entire filesystems to the new drive, with dd. Will probably take a very long time though, highly dependant on the size of the filesystems.
[21:41] <aveilleux> geirha, Axident: And the speed of the USB device and bus
[21:41] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: I think you need to gksudo abgx360 in order to get permission to read block devices
[21:44] <geirha> Another approach is to format the external drive similar to the internal drive, then copy the contents of each filesystem to the new drive using pax/cpio/rsync.
[21:44] <n8ofsp8ds> did gksudo abgx360 and it back to nathan@nathan-desktop:~$
[21:44] <geirha> But then you need to edit several files on the destination, because the filesystems have new uuids
[21:45] <n8ofsp8ds> and the /dev/dvd  when put that in i got the same message as before
[21:45] <n8ofsp8ds> with the program
[21:48] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: Close abgx360 completely, then run gksudo abgx360. That will open up a copy of abgx360 that has root permissions.
[21:49] <Axident> It looka a bit complicated this dd! I'm not sure I get it?
[21:51] <n8ofsp8ds> nothing
[21:51] <n8ofsp8ds> same thing
[21:51] <n8ofsp8ds> does the folder need to be on the desktop or home
[21:52] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: What folder?
[21:52] <n8ofsp8ds> its in the home
[21:52] <n8ofsp8ds> folder
[21:52] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: "It" is ambiguous. You mean "pwd" would return /home/<user> ?
[21:53] <n8ofsp8ds> no i did gksudo abgx360 and nothing and i was saying does it matter if its in homefolder or the desktop
[21:54] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: "it" does not tell me what you are talking about. I do not know what "it" is. "it" is not a very descriptive word.
[21:55] <n8ofsp8ds> well anyways some said i need xterm
[21:55] <n8ofsp8ds> how do i get that
[21:55] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: You don't need xterm.
[21:55] <tikal> does anyone use an ipod touch 2g?
[21:55] <tikal> with ubuntu and rythmobox
[21:56] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: Let's try this a different way. When you typed "gksudo abgx360", did you get any output or did it just newline onto another prompt?
[21:56] <n8ofsp8ds> newline
[21:59] <n8ofsp8ds> into another prompt
[21:59] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: Hm. Try sudo abgx360
[22:00] <n8ofsp8ds> sudo: abgx360: command not found
[22:00] <aveilleux> That explains a lot
[22:00] <geirha> Axident: dd can copy a partition to another partition, byte for byte.
[22:01] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: How did you launch abgx before?
[22:01] <geirha> (which means it also copies unused space, which means it will take much longer than just copying the files)
[22:02] <n8ofsp8ds> i created the exe for it and put it into my accessors
[22:03] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: ...exe? exe is a Windows executable file. You mean you bompiled the binary?
[22:03] <aveilleux> compiled*
[22:03] <n8ofsp8ds> ya
[22:04] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: Where is the binary located?
[22:04] <n8ofsp8ds> home folder ---> abgx360gui-1.0.2
[22:04] <Axident> I think Im on my way, creating partitions right now!
[22:05] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: that path is written ~/abgx360giu-1.0.2/ properly
[22:05] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: ~/ being your home dir
[22:05] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: type cd ~/abgx360gui-1.0.2/
[22:06] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: What is the binary's filename?
[22:06] <n8ofsp8ds> abgxgui
[22:07] <n8ofsp8ds> abgx360gui
[22:07] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: Okay, now run gksudo ./abgx360gui
[22:07] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: note the period-forwardslash ( ./ )
[22:08] <n8ofsp8ds> ok did that popped up
[22:08] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: Now try
[22:08] <n8ofsp8ds> abgx
[22:08] <n8ofsp8ds> still saying unix dvd input
[22:09] <n8ofsp8ds> with that message
[22:09] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: You have several possible devices in your /dev. Try /dev/dvd, /dev/cdrom, /dev/dvdrw, and /dev/cdrw
[22:13] <n8ofsp8ds> freakin a still the same message
[22:15] <aveilleux> n8ofsp8ds: I'm sorry, then. I don't know enough about abgx to really help you beyond this point.
[22:15] <n8ofsp8ds> lol thanks anyways
[22:21] <n8ofsp8ds> just dont want have switch in between ubuntu and windows
[22:21] <n8ofsp8ds> to
[22:21] <n8ofsp8ds> to use that program
[22:21] <n8ofsp8ds> probably just virtualbox win xp
[23:28] <harrison> hello
[23:35] <harrison> what is the chatting counterpart to #ubuntu-beginners?
[23:38] <bobo123> hello harrison
[23:39] <bobo123> harrison: what do you mean with "chatting counterpart" ? do you mean talking about non-ubuntu/linux stuff? then it is #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:40] <harrison> thats it
[23:40] <harrison> But I thought that #ubuntu-beginners had its own off topic section
[23:40] <PabloRubianes> yes
[23:40] <PabloRubianes> #ubuntu-beginners-team
[23:41] <harrison> Thanks
[23:41] <PabloRubianes> np
[23:42] <bobo123> ah :-)
[23:43] <sebsebseb> Hi
[23:50] <pseudosmart> hello? Is anyone in here?
[23:51] <pseudosmart> I am brand new to using Ubuntu, and I am having a couple problems, I didn't know if anyone might know the answer to
[23:51] <sebsebseb> pseudosmart: hi
[23:51] <pseudosmart> hello
[23:51] <sebsebseb> Ok ask the questions
[23:52] <sebsebseb> !ask | pseudosmart
[23:52] <ubot2> pseudosmart: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[23:52] <sebsebseb> !details | pseudosmart
[23:52] <ubot2> pseudosmart: Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..."
[23:53] <pseudosmart> well, for one thing, my screen resolution is off. I have installed the proprietary drivers for my nVidia graphics card, and it almost works, but the right side of the screen is cut off, and the bottom panel is missing. I am running 10.04.1
[23:53] <sebsebseb> pseudosmart: ah yes resolutions
[23:53] <sebsebseb> ok anything else?
[23:54] <pedro3005> System -> Administration -> NVIDIA X Server Settings   did you try going there?
[23:54] <pseudosmart> yes, my headphones produce sound when plugged in, but the speakers produce no sound
[23:54] <pseudosmart> no I have not tried System -> Administration -> NVIDIA X Server Settings yet
[23:54] <sebsebseb> pseudosmart: also  you may  have this?  system > preferences  >  monitors ?  or  system > preferences > screen resolution?
[23:54] <sebsebseb> hi pedro3005
[23:55] <pedro3005> hi
[23:55] <pseudosmart> I have checked system > preferences  >  monitors, and my highest resolution available is 2048 x 1536 (4:3)
[23:55] <sebsebseb> pseudosmart: ok have you got the propritary Nivida driver installed properly?
[23:55] <pseudosmart> I believe so
[23:56] <pseudosmart> I can't seem to find NVIDIA X Server Settings, I don't see it in the Administration Menu
[23:56] <sebsebseb> pedro3005: ^
[23:57] <pedro3005> pseudosmart, try running /usr/bin/nvidia-settings
[23:57] <pseudosmart> I apologize in advance for my ignorance, I'm brand new at this
[23:58] <pedro3005> it's okay
[23:58] <sebsebseb> pseudosmart: and I think pedro3005 meant to run that in a terminal by the way
[23:58] <pedro3005> pseudosmart, just copy and paste it into a terminal
[23:58] <pseudosmart> oh, okay
[23:58] <sebsebseb> pseudosmart: by the way not for your current issue, but for other stuff, this is bound to be useful
[23:58] <sebsebseb> !manual | pseudosmart
[23:58] <ubot2> pseudosmart: The Ubuntu Manual will help you become familiar with everyday tasks such as surfing the web, listening to music and scanning documents. With an emphasis on easy to follow instructions, it is suitable for all levels of experience. http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[23:59] <sebsebseb> pseudosmart: and theres Ubuntu Pocket Guide as well that you can download


[23:24] <magn3ts> yagoo, you CAN'T add them in gnome 3.
[23:24] <magn3ts> yagoo, they don't do anything.
[23:24] <yagoo> magn3ts, i got rid of the nm_applet
[23:24] <yagoo> pff
[23:24] <magn3ts> yagoo, what is your question?
[23:24] <wrrj> Unity does not have a taskbar preference menu you can add applets to...
[23:24] <magn3ts> neither does gnome3.
[23:24] <wrrj> ...like in gnome
[23:24] <yagoo> TimLoal, boot in recovery console
[23:24] <magn3ts> that's what I'm trying to tell him
[23:25] <wrrj> gnome shell should
[23:25] <magn3ts> npo
[23:25] <magn3ts> no, it doesn't
[23:25] <magn3ts> has any one even used gnome 3?
[23:25] <magn3ts> lol
[23:25] <wrrj> did you right-click on the top menu bar and click add to panel?
[23:25] <wrrj> or no menu at all?
[23:25] <wrrj> yes I have
[23:25]  * magn3ts it doesn't freaking exist
[23:25] <histo> magn3ts: I use gnome3
[23:25] <histo> !enter
[23:25] <Rickta59> http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2011/09/11/install-the-classic-desktop-in-ubuntu-11-10/
[23:26] <Rickta59> well I'm not the only one who thinks unity sucks
[23:26] <qin> wrrj: In unity and in gnome-shell there is no feature as Add to panel.
[23:26] <sgnte> How do you avoid a package from being upgrated permanently in ubuntu? is there an option somewhere in /etc/apt.conf or something?
[23:26] <histo> Rickta59: then select ubuntu classic from the login menu
[23:26] <TimLoal> yagoo ok i have a gnome-terminal let me run that command for you
[23:26] <magn3ts> if unity wasn't so buggy it'd be great
[23:26] <diverdude> Can i see where apt has put files from an installed package eg. libboost-all-dev
[23:26] <Caspase3> soulf, not sure. You could try looking at the dated tarballs to find out.  Yes, fallback Gnome is still a new look, but it does have panels.
[23:27] <Rickta59> how many people have rolled back to 11.04 because of unity?
[23:27] <TimLoal> yagoo dose it matter?
[23:27] <magn3ts> gry, I'm not looking for them though, yagoo was.
[23:27] <jen__> my computer shut off during update and i turned it back on. everything is fine, but what should I do? sudo apt-get upgrade?
[23:27] <wrrj> magn3ts all I can suggest beyond GNOME and Unity is KDE... but it's a little slow in my opinion
[23:27] <gry> Rickta59, None? 11.04 is where Unity was added in fact.
[23:27] <magn3ts> wrrj, O
[23:27] <magn3ts> I'm currently giving it a shot * we'll see.
[23:28] <Rickta59> but the ubuntu classic still worked there gry
[23:28] <gry> Rickta59, It can be disabled if you like. It was absent in 10.10 and was on in later versions.
[23:28] <Rickta59> what can be disabled?
[23:28] <TimLoal> yagoo ok don't worry you anal mo fo, thats my lot with linux and you, BYE Y'ALL
[23:28] <wrrj> gry yes... but Unity 11.04 still had classic Ubuntu as option... 11.10 does not... unless you install gnome-shell from what I heard
[23:29] <Rickta59> i just installed the gnome-shell and that isn
[23:29] <Rickta59> t what i want
[23:29] <Rickta59> i'm using the gnome-session-fallback thing
[23:29] <sgnte> histo: thanks
[23:29] <Rickta59> but it is missing stuff
[23:29] <jrib> TimLoal: be respective of others in this channel.  Why do I keep having to speak to you?
[23:29] <Pici> Rickta59, wrrj: GNOME has stopped supporting gnome2, so you would have gotten either Unity or gnome3 with 11.10, neither of which have that many happy users unfortunately.
[23:29] <soulf> Caspase3, Ah it says it's updated daily, wow. I've tried the nohwcrypt thing already, it didn't work. I also tried disabling ipv6 (don't ask me why) and some other stuff that's written in forums etc. I'm probably better off trying the latest drivers. Thanks! :)
[23:29] <wrrj> Rickta59 do you want KDE? That's the only thing I can think of
[23:29] <gry> Rickta59, "classic" Gnome is in 11.10 too - but as Gnome dropped gnome2 support, it has a new look. If you want to change it, say how, and someone would help you with customising it - or you could try KDE, LUbuntu, XUbuntu, and other alternatives.
[23:29] <bobweaver> is there a way to set something as Default in the terminal.  What is your problem Tim?
[23:30] <magn3ts> Oh, too late.
[23:30] <gry> bobweaver, Add "cat /path/to/a/file" in .bashrc ?
[23:30] <jen__> help?
[23:31] <Rickta59> is there any plans to bring back a ubuntu classic ui the way it was for 11.something?
[23:31] <gry> jen__, Hi!
[23:31] <soulf> That was funny...
[23:31] <Pici> bkerensa: before every single command, or just when you start your shell?
[23:31] <Pici> bkerensa: sorry, mistab.
[23:31] <bkerensa> Pici: what
[23:31] <wrrj> alright I will try another X session alternative. I'll try KDE... then GNOME3. If both those do not work I'll return here for help because most likely app problem would then lie somewhere else.
[23:31] <bkerensa> oh
[23:31] <bkerensa> lol
[23:31] <airtonix> so if you've selected a user avatar in gnome-shell and want it, you need to: cp /var/lib/AccountsService/icons/$USER ~/.face.png
[23:31] <airtonix> with sudo
[23:31] <airtonix> :<
[23:31] <Pici> bobweaver: before every single command, or just when you start your shell?
[23:32] <gry> Rickta59, As I said, Gnome2 is dead. You could try Gnome classic mode, or other alternatives like KDE, Lubuntu, Xubuntu and the like.
[23:32] <jen__> gry, hello my computer shut off during update and i turned it back on. everything is fine, but what should I do? sudo apt-get upgrade?
[23:32] <bobweaver> Pici: just when starting shell
[23:32] <bobweaver> welcome screen is in bashrc
[23:32] <gry> jen__, sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:32] <Pici> bobweaver: Then putting it in .bashrc or .profile would be sufficient.
[23:32] <bobweaver> it is there
[23:32] <CharminTheMoose> Hey all. I tried using Xorg -configure to automatically generate a xorg.conf for me, but the configuration seems to fail with the message that 'created more screens than were detected' and dumps the xorg.conf.new file into /root. Is this normal?
[23:33] <jen__> gry,  okay thats what I did, thank you very very much :> and it just finishes off where it started?
[23:33] <bobweaver> kinda hard to explain let m,e try again
[23:33] <bobweaver> me 8
[23:33] <bobweaver> me *
[23:33] <gry> Rickta59, Everyone here would be happy to help you to customise the look to your liking, if you ask a specific question. :-)
[23:34] <gry> jen__, Yes. Mind reading the output incase it asks you to do something else, but it can simply succeed.
[23:34] <magn3ts> unless you want to change the window theme, because that's broken
[23:34] <magn3ts> even in the tool that you have to post-market install
[23:34] <jen__> gry,  okay thank you :)
[23:34] <gry> Sure.
[23:34] <yagoo> CharminTheMoose, u can tinker with that xorg.conf ..
[23:34] <prodigalNoob> Anyone know if these NVIDIA bootsplash workarounds work with 11.10??? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia#Boot_Splash_Screen_Issues
[23:35] <gry> magn3ts, Window theme is broken for me too. I don't know if there is an open bug for this.
[23:35] <yagoo> CharminTheMoose, i get that too.. more screens genereated than needed.. u can simply comment them out
[23:35] <magn3ts> gry, considering gnome-tweak isn't canon gnome3? They'll probably reject it outofhand.
[23:35] <Rickta59> mmm .. there a fast and appropriate for what I do .. blackbox now there is a window manager .. fast and small
[23:35] <EvanCarroll> how do i disable the file indexing in the quick-search bar.
[23:35] <EvanCarroll> I spent an hour looking it up last time, and aparently the dist-upgrade overwrote the conf
[23:35] <Rickta59> the rest of it was wasted on me anyways
[23:35] <gry> magn3ts, Gnome 3 folks are fine with gnome-tweak-tool. It's just an interface to something gnome3 has installed.
[23:36] <ftruzzi> hi there, I'm trying to use a custom de here, and no matter what I try on my custom.desktop, it never load right, in fact unity always loads... any tips?
[23:36] <emr7240> $MFTMirr does not match $MFT (record 0).
[23:36] <emr7240> Failed to mount '/dev/sdb1': Input/output error
[23:36] <emr7240> NTFS is either inconsistent, or there is a hardware fault, or it's a
[23:36] <emr7240> SoftRAID/FakeRAID hardware.??
[23:36] <FloodBot1> emr7240: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:36] <lrh> \join #kubuntu
[23:37] <magn3tics> wow, kde got about 20 seconds
[23:37] <magn3tics> glad I wasted 10 minutes installing it
[23:37] <emr7240> sry floodbot
[23:37] <emr7240> ha ha
[23:37] <Pici> magn3tics: xfce is rather gnome2-like, I'm using it myself on one of my systems.
[23:37] <boxybrown> hey all, has there been any update on this ICEauthority bug?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/589655
[23:38] <boxybrown> I can't find any workarounds for this
[23:38] <yagoo> anyone knows which is better? (just trying out kde)-- kde-plasma-desktop or kde-standard ?
[23:39] <emr7240> I'm still unable to mount the drive?? do i need to setup a location for the mopunt
[23:39] <yagoo> boxybrown, you using 11.04 ?
[23:40]  * yagoo notes that gdm is not the default-- but lightdm is
[23:40]  * yagoo for 11.10
[23:40] <jlebar> Can I get Launchpad not to e-mail me when I comment in a bug?
[23:40] <boxybrown> yagoo: no, i'm using maverick
[23:40] <Rickta59> xfce? that is good bad?
[23:40] <EvanCarroll>  why is this so god damn hard
[23:40] <Rickta59> on 11.10
[23:40] <ftruzzi> hi there, I'm trying to use a custom de here, and no matter what I try on my custom.desktop, it never load right, in fact unity always loads... any tips?
[23:40] <EvanCarroll> all I want to do is disable file indexing on that stupid shell
[23:40] <jlebar> Aha, http://blog.launchpad.net/general/silencing-bug-notifications-for-stuff-you-did
[23:41] <emr7240> any more help here?
[23:41] <BlackBeast> Ubuntu have graphic aceleration?
[23:42] <magn3tics> <3 gnome-shell is a god send
[23:42] <yagoo> BlackBeast, of course.. but it's more of the Xserver project responsible for having any generic linux this capability
[23:42] <BlackBeast> but 11.10 have problems?
[23:43] <lordjj> why remove synaptic, I understanf you can just reinstall it, but why. .  .
[23:43] <wolter> of course! perfection is far away wherever you search for it
[23:43] <qin> magn3tics: god-shell?
[23:43] <wolter> magn3tics, how do you do without the sound menu controls :S
[23:43] <magn3tics> wolter: no clue
[23:44] <magn3tics> wolter: alsasound from the terminal
[23:44] <magn3tics> wolter: you figure out how to get it back, you let me know. this is pissing me off
[23:44] <BlackBeast> mmm ok
[23:44] <BlackBeast> need a graphic card to install 11.10?
[23:45] <emr7240> still looking for help getting my HD mounted
[23:45] <docmur> how do you fix this issue 140A90C4:SSL  routines:SSL_CTX_new:null ssl method passed:ssl_lib.c:1453:
[23:45] <docmur> I know it's a ubuntu openssl issue
[23:45] <yagoo> BlackBeast, i would suggest #kernel and #linux -- support for graphical acceleration is an Xproject thing
[23:45] <bobweaver> so I have a welcome screen that is in bashrc. I also have over 700 items in /usr/share/applications/ so I am now changing some of the stuff under /usr/share/applications/WHATEVER.desktop  mainly the Exec= . Some of the things under /usr/share/applications/ are only run in the cli. but here is where the troubles come in say  Lets take Weather_configure.desktop as exsample. there is a program called configure.sh that I made in that is under
[23:45] <bobweaver> /opt/Weather/  so I open up /usr/share/applications/Weather_configure.desktop     the command to make it start is  konsole  -e bash -lc " cd /opt/Weather;./conifure  & bash"   Now this is correct  but it launchs the help page then My welcome screen. I want it to be welcome screen then launch script  . Hope that that is better :>)
[23:45] <majere> Welll, I thought I was going to need help, But I seem to have figured it out.
[23:45] <yagoo> BlackBeast, probably it's best to ask #xorg
[23:45] <BlackBeast> ohh ok
[23:45] <majere> Now, how do I change the size of the buttons?
[23:45] <yagoo> BlackBeast, the best brand I believe is nvidia -- as they make nvidia drivers for linux 32bit and 64bit
[23:46] <BlackBeast> thanks!
[23:46] <yagoo> np
[23:46] <emr7240> help?
[23:46] <majere> Man, I want small unity Icons :(
[23:47] <bobweaver> this way when I make /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/applications-kmenu.applications  Will be 20 x more fun and easy to wright
[23:47] <marcavis> Hey guys, what program is supposed to be the default pdf opener in 11.10?
[23:48] <marcavis> Because I get... Inkscape when trying to open any PDF
[23:48] <jrib> marcavis: probably evince
[23:49] <bobweaver> so is there  something that I can put infront of my bashrc >> that will make my "Welcome Screen" always go first before anything
[23:49] <marcavis> Huh, I don't have it anymore... could I have done anything wrong when upgrading the distro...?
[23:49] <marcavis> Strange.  What do you mean by that?
[23:50] <bobweaver> it is a welcome screen for the cli
[23:50] <yagoo> bobweaver, ?
[23:50] <bobweaver> hi there
[23:50] <jrib> bobweaver: repeating the words won't make me understand any better :)
[23:50] <yagoo> bobweaver, you're trying to have a new motd? that's /etc/motd
[23:50] <baba-b00ie> i'm looking for a solution similar to ubuntu landscape. but free for home use. anyone know if a product exists?
[23:50] <bobweaver> lol
[23:50] <yagoo> bobweaver, what's so funny
[23:50] <bobweaver> jrib:  is yagoo
[23:51] <yagoo> bobweaver, i gave u the answer and this is how you thank me?
[23:51] <bobweaver> yagoo:  what is motd ?
[23:51] <yagoo> geez
[23:51] <yagoo> ur a jerk.
[23:51] <conntrack> tut
[23:51] <zeta-> when I upgraded to Oneiric it was interupted -- so now no desktop (background only). Is it possible to re-do the upgrade from cli?
[23:51] <yagoo> , /etc/motd << second time i'm telling him.
[23:52] <yagoo> go laugh.. this file is for the Welcome for cli. NOOB.
[23:52] <yagoo> LOL
[23:52] <raisson> alguem poderia me ajudar com a instalacao de programas tar.gz?
[23:52] <bobweaver> what is that configure file for ??
[23:52] <yagoo> clueless
[23:52] <yagoo> bobweaver, ur pissing me off.. rtfm
[23:52] <marcavis> raisson, tente ir no #ubuntu-br
[23:52] <bobweaver> bring it on trool
[23:52] <jrib> yagoo: he was just laughing at my joke...
[23:52] <raisson> como assim
[23:52] <bobweaver> whois yagoo
[23:52] <Guest14262> hello. what is the easiest way to uninstall all the packages installed by ubuntu-desktop?
[23:52] <jrib> !purekde | Guest14262
[23:53] <marcavis> raisson, pra entrar na sala brasileira digite /join #ubuntu-br
[23:53] <Guest14262> or that. awesome.
[23:53] <ocmsRzr> hi all, I'm trying to redefine unit-2d's window manager as stumpwm. I followed the instructions here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/61419/change-the-window-manager-unity-2d-launches-on-login but it kicks me back to the login screen when I select my session. I'm wondering if I have to tell gnome about the alternative window manager how do you specify alternatives to gnome?
[23:53] <Guest14262> ubuntu: robots providing support.
[23:54] <baba-b00ie> i'm looking for a solution similar to ubuntu landscape. but free for home use. anyone know if a product exists?
[23:54] <vivid> i havent seen one
[23:54] <jrib> baba-b00ie: what features do you need?
[23:55] <baba-b00ie> jrib, uptime, sys status, sys stats and if possible halting options
[23:56] <EdSquareCat> I have one question that may or may not have a simple answer: I seem to have broken Unity by messing with Compiz. There are no icons on the left and windows have no borders; I can't really access anything unless I use the command line. This happened a while ago, so I don't know exactly what I did to break it. I've just been using Classic since then. I'm running 11.04. *How can I simply reset Unity completely?*
[23:56] <baba-b00ie> i run a couple webservers and would like a unified UI. i would preferr webui
[23:56] <EdSquareCat> Sorry  running *11.10 now
[23:56] <bobweaver> yagoo: I have no /ect/motd  dir ??
[23:56] <jen__> help!
[23:56] <Rickta59> unity --reset?
[23:56] <jen__> heeep!
[23:56] <bobweaver> jen whats up
[23:57] <Rickta59> unity --reset-icons
[23:57] <magn3ts> anyone know how to make sound indicator work?
[23:57] <magn3ts> I'll give you a shiny penny
[23:57] <EdSquareCat> Rickta59: running unity --reset now...
[23:57] <jen__> bobweaver,  well I updated my natty well...I thought from natty to oclelot and this popped up
[23:57] <jen__> bobweaver,   0.7.1-6ubuntu1 [445 kB]
[23:57] <jen__> Fetched 158 MB in 34min 29s (76.3 kB/s)
[23:57] <jen__> E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'util-linux'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
[23:57] <bobweaver> jen__: paste.ubuntu.com
[23:58] <bobweaver> plz
[23:58] <jen__> bobweaver, sorry
[23:58] <bobweaver> flood bot yells
[23:58] <jen__> http://pastebin.com/tPjJ1xjV
[23:59] <soulf> My wireless connection disconnects unless I'm very close to the router (didn't have this problem in windows, but had it in fedora15 and ubuntu 11.04). Wireless card is Atheros AR9285 and the driver is ath9k. I already tried the latest version of the driver without success. Does anyone have an idea how to fix this?
[23:59] <EdSquareCat> Rickta59: taking a while, getting lots of "does not exist" errors
[23:59] <EdSquareCat> (still running)
[23:59] <bobweaver> jen__: I am not sure about that can help with that might be abbouve my pay grade sorry :>)
[23:59] <Rickta59> I got it off this page: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/how-to-reset-unity-launcher-icons-or.html