[02:53] <mhall119> aquarius: was that a question?
[03:25] <akiva-thinkpad> wxl, hey
[04:01] <wxl> akiva-thinkpad: got almost everything installed. should be up and running tomorrow.
[04:02] <akiva-thinkpad> wxl, very cool
[04:03] <akiva-thinkpad> wxl, have you got the emulator downloaded and all that jazz?
[04:04] <wxl> akiva-thinkpad: yeah i need to branch all the bzr repos
[04:05] <akiva-thinkpad> wxl, did I give you a script for that?
[04:05] <akiva-thinkpad> I have a quick one that does it in just a minute
[04:05] <wxl> yeah
[04:05] <wxl> i have to move over my ssh, gpg stuff
[04:05] <akiva-thinkpad> are you doing this all on a virtual machine O_o ?
[04:06] <wxl> yeppers
[04:06] <akiva-thinkpad> :O
[04:06] <akiva-thinkpad> anyways just be cognisant that you can't run the emulator in the virtual machine
[04:06] <akiva-thinkpad> qmlscene should be fine though
[04:06] <wxl> i heard that
[04:06] <akiva-thinkpad> :D
[04:07] <akiva-thinkpad> wxl, also you don't need pgp
[04:07] <akiva-thinkpad> you just need an ssh, and that is easy to do.
[04:07] <wxl> well i need gpg for something or other i thought
[04:08] <akiva-thinkpad> wxl, I its for sending emails; I wouldnt worry about it unless you were working on the kernel
[04:08] <akiva-thinkpad> I havn't bother installing one for a while now
[04:08] <akiva-thinkpad> its just such a hassle
[04:10] <wxl> oh i think it's important for ppas
[04:10] <wxl> for uploading to them
[04:11] <wxl> yeah that's it
[04:11] <akiva-thinkpad> til
[04:11] <akiva-thinkpad> :D
[04:12] <wxl> i doubt your average dev is making the ppas
[04:12] <akiva-thinkpad> What core app do you plan on working on? What do you want to help them do?
[04:13] <wxl> i'm not sure yet :)
[04:13] <akiva-thinkpad> Create the tablet interface or desktop interface perhaps?
[04:13] <wxl> more likely tablet
[04:13] <akiva-thinkpad> wxl, do you have a tablet?
[04:13] <akiva-thinkpad> liuxg, o/
[04:13] <wxl> akiva-thinkpad: yes but unfortunately the port info doesn't seem to be up to date
[04:14] <akiva-thinkpad> is it an arm or x86 tablet?
[04:14] <wxl> arm
[04:14] <akiva-thinkpad> oh btw; Mark Shuttleworth will be on las this next sunday
[04:14] <wxl> las?
[04:14] <akiva-thinkpad> Linux Action Show
[04:14] <wxl> wuzzat?
[04:14] <akiva-thinkpad> something that used to be really cool when a guy named brian was on it. sec
[04:15] <akiva-thinkpad> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=radmjL5OIaA
[04:16] <akiva-thinkpad> he eventually left and was replaced by matt hartly... who is better now, but does not bring the same charisma
[04:16] <akiva-thinkpad> I still watch it weekly though
[04:17] <akiva-thinkpad> They also do a linux podcast called linux unplugged
[04:17] <akiva-thinkpad> and popey frequents it, and is constantly defending ubuntu from arch linux fanboys :P
[04:17] <wxl> cool thx akiva-thinkpad
[04:18] <akiva-thinkpad> yah it is a good show. Chris is a lover of the linux, and has a background in sys-admin
[04:20] <wxl> i'll bring you tomorrow when i have something more to tell akiva-thinkpad :)
[04:20] <akiva-thinkpad> cool beans
[04:20] <wxl> unfortunately i've got about 10000 projects going on including learning font design, setting up an ecommerce site for a friend, etc. not to mention work and family :)
[04:21] <akiva-thinkpad> wxl, heh; busy guy. yah its well appreciated that you already help out. To assist development too, is very big.
[04:23] <wxl> akiva-thinkpad: it's been my aspiration since i started contributing
[07:31] <akiva-thinkpad> mihir, ping
[07:31] <akiva-thinkpad> i'm trying to run the autopilot3 tests for the calendar app; I keep getting import errors
[07:31] <akiva-thinkpad> ImportError: No module named 'address_book_service_testability'
[07:33] <akiva-thinkpad> wait nvm
[07:36] <mihir> akiva-thinkpad: you have to install that
[07:36] <akiva-thinkpad> yah
[07:36] <mihir> akiva-thinkpad: look at defian file.
[07:36] <akiva-thinkpad> doing the ppa
[07:36] <mihir> you'll get all the necceary packages.
[07:36]  * akiva-thinkpad looks at the defian file
[07:37] <akiva-thinkpad> :D
[07:37] <akiva-thinkpad> mihir, dude; next sunday, Mark Shuttleworth interview on the Linux Action Show
[07:37] <mihir> \m/
[07:38] <akiva-thinkpad> :P
[07:38] <akiva-thinkpad> BLAH
[07:38] <akiva-thinkpad> i'm still getting dependency issues
[07:38] <akiva-thinkpad> I installed the ppa,
[07:38] <akiva-thinkpad> ah wait
[07:39] <akiva-thinkpad> nvm
[07:39] <akiva-thinkpad> just ignore my complaints
[07:39] <akiva-thinkpad> mihir, hey I was thinking of a new flick for the monthview
[07:39] <akiva-thinkpad> flick up and down go up and down a year
[07:39] <akiva-thinkpad> what do you think of that? Simple feature
[07:40] <mihir> akiva-thinkpad: hmm could you demo it , we can ask designers to approve that.
[07:40] <akiva-thinkpad> mihir, well thats why I wanted to ask you... cause I'm confused
[07:40] <akiva-thinkpad> there is no flickable
[07:40] <mihir> akiva-thinkpad: if you can create it and create video so that we can ask designer.
[07:41] <akiva-thinkpad> so I am a bit behooved how I am supposed to accomplish this.
[07:42] <akiva-thinkpad> mihir, I followed this tutorial https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing/Autopilot/
[07:42] <akiva-thinkpad> still getting the dependency errors
[07:43] <mihir> akiva-thinkpad: make sure you have install all these dependencies :- http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calendar-dev/ubuntu-calendar-app/trunk/view/head:/debian/control
[07:43] <akiva-thinkpad> thanks
[07:48] <akiva-thinkpad> mihir, that worked
[07:48] <akiva-thinkpad> thanks
[07:48] <mihir> akiva-thinkpad: np
[07:51] <dholbach> good morning
[07:52] <akiva-thinkpad> morning
[08:01] <justCarakas> good morning$
[08:01] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, hey o/
[08:01] <akiva-thinkpad> at work?
[08:01] <justCarakas> yup :)
[08:46] <rpadovani> popey, o/ gang65 and I started to work on calculator app, and between yesterday and today we spend some hours talking and coding. The new engine we choose is awesome (we already have scientific calc \o/). Do you mind to do what we said? Find someone for autopilot, setup jenkins for autolanding, set up a weekly meeting on IRC...
[08:46] <rpadovani> mihir, ^^
[08:46] <akiva-thinkpad> rpadovani, oh nice
[08:46] <akiva-thinkpad> have you branched it out yet ?
[08:47] <rpadovani> akiva-thinkpad, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calculator-dev/ubuntu-calculator-app/reboot and https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calculator-app/cleanUp/+merge/242881
[08:49] <akiva-thinkpad> ah very cool
[08:49]  * akiva-thinkpad branches it
[09:00] <akiva-thinkpad> rpadovani, is there a shortlist of things that need to be done on this? I'm tempted to do a callout on ubuntuappdev on reddit
[09:00] <rpadovani> akiva-thinkpad, there is like everything to do
[09:00] <rpadovani> akiva-thinkpad, I think we need popey set up some thing before
[09:01] <mihir> rpadovani: which engine are we using ?
[09:01] <rpadovani> mihir, math.js, as you suggest, is awesome :-)
[09:01] <akiva-thinkpad> rpadovani, lol yah I know; I'm just wondering if there are any designer specs?
[09:01] <mihir> rpadovani: sexy :D
[09:01] <mihir> rpadovani: i found that it will make our life easy.
[09:01] <rpadovani> akiva-thinkpad, there is, but it isn't public
[09:02] <rpadovani> mihir, it is awesome dude, seriously
[09:02] <mihir> rpadovani: hmm yeah i did try on HTML pages before suggesting that.
[09:02] <akiva-thinkpad> hmmmmmm
[09:03] <mihir> rpadovani: can I give some suggestion ?? :P
[09:03] <mihir> rpadovani: have you imported new LIb?
[09:03] <rpadovani> mihir, of course man :D
[09:03] <rpadovani> mihir, yes, I imported that
[09:04] <rpadovani> mihir, which branch are you referring to?
[09:04] <bzoltan> akiva-thinkpad: I think it was your report -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1395533
[09:04] <mihir> rpadovani: i can see you have included other changes as well, if it is not big task , can we s?
[09:04] <mihir> rpadovani: https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calculator-app/cleanUp/+merge/242881
[09:04] <mihir> ?
[09:05] <bzoltan> akiva-thinkpad: I have responded to it. Thank your feedback. I am happy to clarify that Kit story :) I know it sounds complicated at first.
[09:05] <rpadovani> mihir, tbh it is necessary to clean that branch. You can test it modifing something.
[09:06] <rpadovani> mihir, unfortunately doing it from scratch is pretty imposbbile
[09:06] <mihir> rpadovani: yeah i got that.
[09:06] <rpadovani> *impossible
[09:06] <akiva-thinkpad> bzoltan, :)
[09:06] <akiva-thinkpad> bzoltan, I believe that people will benefit when I share my ignorance to how things work with everyone.
[09:06] <mihir> rpadovani: my concern was , if we can split MR in small chunks.
[09:07] <mihir> rpadovani: or all of them are related to each other , and if it is not big task to modify.
[09:07] <rpadovani> mihir, I don't think we can do it, it is small possible
[09:07] <bzoltan> akiva-thinkpad: :) kind of you ... the bottomline is that whatever text I put in that dialog.. Kits will not get simpler.
[09:07] <mihir> rpadovani: okay no worries...i'll take a look and i see you have included math.js as well.
[09:08] <akiva-thinkpad> bzoltan, ha ha
[09:08] <bzoltan> akiva-thinkpad: Kit = toolchain + rootfs + device
[09:08] <rpadovani> mihir, good, thanks
[09:09] <akiva-thinkpad> bzoltan, It might be good to just embolden that.
[09:09] <bzoltan> akiva-thinkpad: think abstract .. what do you need when you develop apps? You need to know what device you target. You need to know what compiler, linker, packaging tools you will use. And you need to know what APIs , services, data is available for your app.
[09:10] <akiva-thinkpad> I do not disagree
[09:10] <bzoltan> akiva-thinkpad: It is a dialog ... not a help text, not a manual, not a user guide, not a traing class.. a simple UI label :)
[09:11] <bzoltan> akiva-thinkpad:  if a developer does not what rootfs is then -> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+rootfs
[09:11] <akiva-thinkpad> -__-
[09:12] <bzoltan> akiva-thinkpad: same for toolchain -> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+toolchain
[09:12] <akiva-thinkpad> "But not with the Ubuntu SDK and not with QtCreator" -- So that was not true; I made my apps without the kits, using qtcreator.
[09:13] <bzoltan> akiva-thinkpad: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=qtcreator+kits#seen
[09:13] <mzanetti> dpm: rpadovani: hey, I'll be off tomorrow and Friday. If you want we can do the reminders meeting today, otherwise I'll have to skip this week
[09:14] <bzoltan> akiva-thinkpad:  no, you have not made anything with QtCreator without Kits.. you just did not know that you use a Kit. The desktop Kit is there by default. But it is a Kit
[09:14] <akiva-thinkpad> bzoltan, I think one of the complaints I have is that you often find the wikipedia article, and instead of getting a shortlist; you are immediately bombarded with a lot of technical language.
[09:14] <rpadovani> mzanetti, dpm I'm at uni until 18:30, I can chat but I don't think professors will be happy if I do a call :P Nothing new by my side, so for me we can skip this week
[09:14] <akiva-thinkpad> bzoltan, okay fair enough.
[09:14] <akiva-thinkpad> I meant by the kit creating wizard.
[09:14] <bzoltan> akiva-thinkpad:  that is the price when you try to be precise
[09:15] <dpm> rpadovani, mzanetti, ok, let's follow up on e-mail then
[09:15] <dpm> thanks for the heads up!
[09:15] <bzoltan> akiva-thinkpad: I wanted to put there a text what is technically bulletproof
[09:15] <akiva-thinkpad> bzoltan, and I think its good to be precise, but I think its best to offer a short - "What it does, and why is it important to you" -- Further details below
[09:15] <akiva-thinkpad> that is my aesthetic preference.
[09:16] <bzoltan> akiva-thinkpad: as I said .. it is not a manual, it is a dialog. But you have a point. I will see if we can make it look simpler.
[09:16] <akiva-thinkpad> I actually like what you said
[09:16] <akiva-thinkpad> Kit = toolchain + rootfs + device
[09:16] <bzoltan> akiva-thinkpad: Kits do nothing .. Kits are just sets of stuff. You do things with Kits... you make apps with them.
[09:17] <akiva-thinkpad> to me its now very organized; All I need to do now is figure out these three aspects
[09:18] <bzoltan> akiva-thinkpad: "Kits _CONSIST_ of a set of values that define one environment, such as a target _DEVICE_, _SYSROOT_ to build against, _TOOLCHAIN_ to build with, platform specific api set, and some metadata."
[09:18] <akiva-thinkpad> I mean, just keeping the text as is, emboldening those three terms within it, and just prefacing, "A kit is made of 3 main parts: blah blah blah"
[09:19] <bzoltan> akiva-thinkpad: But I will see if I can make it look more straightforward. Sorry for the confusion.
[09:19] <akiva-thinkpad> bzoltan, you are kind to tolerate my ignorance.
[09:19] <bzoltan> akiva-thinkpad:  OK, i will do some tailoring
[09:19]  * akiva-thinkpad regrets not going to school to learn programming.
[09:20] <bzoltan> akiva-thinkpad:  do not say that :) I am thankful that you took your time and gave us feedbacks and ideas to improve.
[09:20] <akiva-thinkpad> :D
[09:23]  * akiva-thinkpad shakes head... For so long; I thought kits were needed for packaging.
[09:23] <akiva-thinkpad> now I know
[09:29] <DanChapman> hey all, is there a way to set an object pointer to a qml property? I have a custom type that I want to store a pointer to, and i've registered it with the qml engine. But i am unable to set the property to the object pointer.
[09:31] <DanChapman> ahh scrap that... Returning a QObject* instead of CustomType* seems to work fine.
[09:40] <rpadovani> mihir, take that branch: if the advanced math works (swype right) approve both branches :-)
[09:40] <rpadovani> https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calculator-app/keyboardImprovement/+merge/242887
[09:40] <mihir> rpadovani: sure , will do that tonight \m/ :) I am currently at office.
[09:41] <rpadovani> mihir, thanks :D have a nice day!
[09:52] <brendand> anyone around that works on music app?
[10:05] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Cake Day! \o/
[10:18] <justCarakas> tasty
[10:48] <popey> rpadovani: (replying late) sure!
[10:48] <rpadovani> popey, thanks :-)
[10:48] <rpadovani> \12344567
[11:12] <daker> wow https://www.facebook.com/meizu/posts/672145876231820
[11:14] <dholbach> nice
[11:53] <victorp> hey guys, have you seen an issue where a TextField with text on it, deletes random parts of the string when it gets focus?
[11:54] <victorp> rpadovani, ^^
[12:03] <brendand> victorp, i filed a bug like that in system settings
[12:03] <victorp> brendand, do you have the number?
[12:04] <brendand> victorp, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1387704
[12:04] <brendand> rpadovani, can you top approve a reminders-app test fix?
[12:10] <victorp> brendand, seems like the work around is to remove text prediction..
[12:12]  * ogra_ just recently noticed odd behavior with the browser ... when using a text field i am not able to get rid of the kbd anymore ... as soon as i tap into the website from then on the kbd will pop up ...
[12:12] <victorp> brendand,  mm yeah that fixes the bug.. but you loose text prediction.
[12:12] <aquarius> dpm, ping about davidcalle's scope thing and whether you've had the chance to try it
[12:16] <dpm> aquarius, hey. No, I haven't had the chance yet, sorry.
[12:17] <aquarius> dpm, no worries -- I was really looking for davidcalle himself but he's nt around :)
[12:18] <dpm> aquarius, he should be later on. We've got a team meeting at 16:00 UK time. If you're around, I can give him a heads up to ping you around that time
[12:18] <aquarius> dpm, cheers; I'll try and be around
[12:18] <dpm> ok, cool
[12:24] <victorp> brendand, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1396574
[12:37] <daker> victorp: yes i have seen this too, it's the predictive text
[12:37] <daker> victorp: and i think the bug should be against the ubuntu-keyboard
[12:38] <victorp> daker, done
[13:44] <rpadovani> brendand, I cannot test it until 5/6 hours. If it has approvation of someone else I can top approve for sure :-)
[13:45] <brendand> rpadovani, oh i forgot the MP! :/
[13:45] <brendand> rpadovani, https://code.launchpad.net/~brendan-donegan/reminders-app/test_add_notebook_must_append_it_to_list_swipe_to_bottom/+merge/242808
[13:45] <brendand> rpadovani, it is approved by elopio
[13:46] <rpadovani> brendand, ok, cool, topapproved
[13:46] <rpadovani> thanks :-)
[13:56] <aquarius> davidcalle, ping about your scope thing :)
[13:56] <davidcalle> aquarius, pong :)
[13:56] <aquarius> davidcalle, heya! Do you have time, at some point, to walk me through ohw to run it? I'm clearly doing something weird and wrong :)
[13:57] <davidcalle> aquarius, I'm not 100% here, but I'm around. What's not working?
[13:59] <aquarius> davidcalle, I tell you what, I'll try branching it and running it again right now and ask questions :)
[13:59] <davidcalle> ok :)
[14:00] <aquarius> davidcalle, first question: what's the best way to open it in Ubuntu SDK? If I open cmakelists.txt it complains about "No .user settings file created by this instance of Qt Creator was found. Did you work with this project on another machine or using a different settings path before?"
[14:02] <aquarius> I assume that is because you're using some newer qtcreator, such as the one in 14.10, but it worries me that actual developers will have no clue what that means :)
[14:03] <aquarius> I have my usual problem that the Dash doesn't start in the emulator, but that's not your fault
[14:06] <aquarius> davidcalle, anyway, once I have restarted the Dash from the command line in the emulator, I can then run the scope from Ubuntu SDK. And what happens is... we switch to the scope (with the big Ubuntu logo at the top) and then the progress bar pulses left and right at the bottom of the screen, and nothing else happens.
[14:06] <aquarius> So I do not know how to proceed :)
[14:27] <dpm> thanks brendand for the reminders app test!
[14:33] <davidcalle> aquarius, what's in the app output at the bottom of qtcreator?
[14:34] <davidcalle> aquarius, the fast that qtcreator complains when you open the project is normal, because it tries to look for the env the project was created in.
[14:34] <davidcalle> aquarius, also, you should upgrade to 14.10, unity-scope-tool is nice :)
[14:34] <davidcalle> the fact*
[14:36] <rickspencer3> hi all, is there a good design pattern and set of widgets that I can use to let the user select items from a very long list?
[14:37] <rickspencer3> I'm considering a category selector on top, and then a list below
[14:38] <popey> rickspencer3: contact list has a fast scroll on the right..
[14:38] <rickspencer3> popey, hmm, this is looooong list
[14:38] <aquarius> davidcalle, there's nothing relevant in application output (see http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9250677/).
[14:38] <rickspencer3> hundreds of times
[14:38] <popey> so is my contact list ☻
[14:38] <aquarius> davidcalle, also, no 14.10 for me, since I have no good reason to upgrade :P
[14:38] <rickspencer3> popey, yeah, but in a contact list, alphabetical makes sense
[14:39] <rickspencer3> this is for making a shopping list, so more categorical
[14:39] <popey> hmm
[14:39] <aquarius> davidcalle, and I stay on 14.04 at least partially so that all you sdk people don't forget that it's meant to be supported :P
[14:39] <popey> i know the music app devs were looking at this too rickspencer3
[14:39] <popey> for songs
[14:39] <rickspencer3> instead of A, B, C, it's like "cleaning supplies", "dairy"
[14:39] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[14:39] <rickspencer3> maybe I could put the categories on the front in big boxes like the music app
[14:39] <rickspencer3> and then just a list below
[14:39] <rickspencer3> that could be pretty cool
[14:40] <aquarius> rickspencer3, maybe have the category names showing and tapping one expands it to show the items therein?
[14:40] <rickspencer3> aquarius, yeah, I was considering that
[14:40] <rickspencer3> the ListItem.Expandable seems what I want there, but it seems a bit immature still
[14:41] <rickspencer3> what I really want is a ListItem.Categorized list
[14:41] <rickspencer3> and just let it do all the work for me ;)
[14:41] <rickspencer3> Kaleo and co. have made me lazier and lazier ;)
[14:41] <davidcalle> aquarius, the output is good, at least the scope is running :) But apparently, it's not finding the data/test.ini file... AH! I know why, because my cmake skills are terribly awful and it will only work with unity-scope-tool, not with a click package pushed to a device.
[14:41] <ogra_> managers ... tsk
[14:42] <aquarius> davidcalle, heh :)
[14:42] <aquarius> rickspencer3, yeah, I suspect that Expandable is exactly the approach you want
[14:42] <rickspencer3> another way of putting it is that I have come to rely on Ubuntu Components to make my apps look nice :)
[14:42] <rickspencer3> I know I can't do it on my own
[14:42] <davidcalle> aquarius, I'll try to work something out for that today/tomorrow :)
[14:43] <rickspencer3> aquarius, yeah, though I am thinking the music app way might be nice
[14:43] <aquarius> rickspencer3, also, note the existence of ExpandablesColumn and Header listitems
[14:43] <rickspencer3> I could have nice big pictures for each category
[14:43] <aquarius> davidcalle, ah, cool :) Drop me a mail at some point if done and I can re-test?
[14:43] <rickspencer3> of I could make a cute picture of grocery store, and the user could click on the aisle they want
[14:45] <aquarius> that'd require you to fix the list of categories ahead of time, though -- or to make people set an icon on a category, which is a pretty clunky thing to do. Or maybe to have it guess, which would be cool if done right
[14:47] <davidcalle> aquarius, I will :)
[15:41] <om26er> popey, Hi!
[15:41] <om26er> popey, can you tell where can I download .click packages of apps in the store ?
[15:42] <om26er> dpm, you might know ? ^
[15:42] <popey> any in particular?
[15:43] <om26er> popey, terminal-app
[15:43] <popey> om26er: any particular reason using the one from the store isn't sufficient?
[15:44] <om26er> popey, don't have the internet right now
[15:48] <popey> om26er: http://people.canonical.com/~alan/clicks/com.ubuntu.terminal_0.6.174_armhf.click
[15:50] <om26er> popey, thanks
[16:17] <mzanetti> popey: have ever seen this lately? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1301463
[16:17] <popey> mzanetti: not tried recently, will try
[16:19] <brendand> mzanetti, i know that bug. it was fixed
[16:19] <mzanetti> brendand: cool, thanks. will close it
[17:19] <Guest35820> hi
[19:01] <nik90_> popey: can you confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1396629 on your krillin pls...I have never observed the issue on mako.
[19:31] <popey> nik90_: lemme see
[19:37] <popey> nik90_: works here
[19:37] <popey> lemme reboot and try again
[19:37] <nik90_> ok
[19:37] <nik90_> yeah I have never seen this issue before and can't think what's causing ti
[19:43] <popey> nik90_: no, cant reproduce it, just the fact that the tooltip is under the header
[20:03] <nik90_> yup that I see as well (SDK issue)
[22:14] <bzoltan> popey: I have an MR for the weather app -> https://code.launchpad.net/~bzoltan/ubuntu-weather-app/ensure_visible/+merge/242981
[22:22] <bzoltan> nik90_:  do you know somebody who is working on the weather app?
[22:34] <nik90_> bzoltan: m-b-o
[22:34] <nik90_> bzoltan: but I haven't seen him online
[22:35] <bzoltan> nik90_:  thanks.. what tz is he active in?
[22:35] <nik90_> bzoltan: I think he's from germany, though not sure
[22:35] <ahoneybun> hello all
[22:35] <bzoltan> nik90_:  OK, I might catch him tomorrow


[01:14] <MACscr> ok, so as long as im not trying to provision anything on the actual host, i should be able to run juju within an lxc guest, correct?
[05:54] <MACscr> why am i getting 'error: net: no such interface' when i try to deploy juju bootrap? I definitely already have lxc working on this host and a couple containers going
[06:23] <davecheney> MACscr: is this using the juju client ?
[06:24] <MACscr> davecheney: lol, my last name is chaney =P
[06:24] <MACscr> close, but different
[06:24] <MACscr> anyway, yes, its the juju client i guess
[06:25] <davecheney> MACscr: what is the command you are using ?
[06:25] <MACscr> i installed the juju-core, etc, on it in hopes of deploying the juju-gui within an lxc instance
[06:26] <MACscr> 'deploy juju boostrap'
[06:26] <MACscr> im following this tutorial (the answer) http://askubuntu.com/questions/65359/how-do-i-configure-juju-for-local-usage
[06:26] <davecheney> MACscr: 'deploy juju bootstrap' isn't a command I know
[06:28] <MACscr> well 'juju bootstrap' gives the same response
[06:28]  * davecheney reads http://askubuntu.com/a/65360
[06:28] <davecheney> MACscr: the instructions say 'sudo juju bootstrap'
[06:28] <sarnold> sudo o_O
[06:29] <sarnold> ah.
[06:29] <MACscr> my apologies, i was using sudo, same result
[06:30] <davecheney> sarnold: you have to use sudo for the local provider as lxc requires root to create and destroy containers
[06:30] <davecheney> this is the only time it is required
[06:30] <davecheney> it is a limitation of lxc
[06:30] <davecheney> MACscr: can you do it again, pass -v and paste the output
[06:30] <davecheney> pastebinit, or paste.ubuntu.com
[06:31] <MACscr> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6027630/
[06:31] <kurt_> is it possible to run more than 1 charm on a node?
[06:31] <MACscr> why is it trying to use that bridge when im using br0 for LXC as im not using nat, im getting dhcp from the actual router
[06:32] <kurt_> for example to consolidate several openstack services on a single node?
[06:32] <MACscr> kurt_: yes. using LXC
[06:33] <sarnold> kurt_: investigate deploy-to -- I'm not sure of its current status..
[06:33] <kurt_> yes, I remember that was around, but I was unsure of its current status too
[06:34]  * kurt_ thinks its time to start RTFMing about LXC
[06:35] <davecheney> MACscr: looks like you either don't have lxc installed, or it isn't installed correctly
[06:35] <davecheney> you have no lxc bridge address
[06:35] <sarnold> kurt_: I'm not sure lxc would be a good fit for deploying parts of openstack environment -- juju couldn't manage lxc containers on some hosts and maas or kvm on other hosts...
[06:35] <davecheney> MACscr: I will log a bug for this, juju could be clearer in what has gone wrong
[06:36] <davecheney> sarnold: --to is available in 1.12 and later
[06:36] <MACscr> davecheney: sure i do, i just dont have one setup for nat. I currently have 2 LXC instances installed and working great
[06:36] <davecheney> (i think, it is certainly avialable in the 1.13 devel series)
[06:36] <sarnold> davecheney: AWESOME :D
[06:36] <kurt_> davecheney: thanks
[06:36] <davecheney> MACscr: all I can say is the way your LXC is setup is not how juju expects it to be
[06:36] <davecheney> and it can't handle it
[06:37] <MACscr> well thats obviously a mistake on its part to assume im using lxcbr0 =P
[06:37] <kurt_> davecheney: will deploy to stay in the code?  I think it was there before, then removed
[06:37] <MACscr> is that configurable?
[06:37] <kurt_> now added back again :D
[06:38] <davecheney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1216775
[06:38] <_mup_> Bug #1216775: cmd/juju: local provider doesn't give a clear explanation when lxc is not configured correctly <papercut> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1216775>
[06:38] <davecheney> kurt_: s/--deploy-to/--to/
[06:39] <davecheney> MACscr: it is not configurable, it is a hard requrement at this time
[06:39] <kurt_> ahh
[06:39] <davecheney> kurt_: the name of the optoin has changed
[06:39] <davecheney> it used to be a jitsu(?) plugin
[06:39] <davecheney> but we intergrated it into the cli and it's an option on the deploy subcommand
[06:39] <kurt_> but jitsu has been depreciated, right?
[06:40] <davecheney> kurt_: yes, it's dead, like the parrot
[06:40] <kurt_> lol
[06:40] <kurt_> I'm currently on .7.  do I have these options?
[06:41] <davecheney> kurt_: no, you should upgrade to 1.12
[06:41] <davecheney> full warning: there is no upgrade path from 0.7 to 1.12
[06:41] <davecheney> but there wasn't one from 0.6 to 0.7 either
[06:41] <davecheney> so we haven't really made it much worse in that respect
[06:41] <kurt_> lol
[06:42] <davecheney> there is an upgrade path once youre on juju 1.x
[06:42] <davecheney> but you still have to bite the bullet and move away from your old pyjuju environments
[06:42] <kurt_> davecheney: would I basically be starting from scratch?
[06:42] <sarnold> davecheney: no upgrade path? I had the impression it mostly just worked?
[06:43] <kurt_> ie. have to destroy the environment
[06:44] <davecheney> kurt_: yes, just like 0.6 -> 0.7, you will need to make a fresh environment
[06:44]  * kurt_ winces
[06:45] <davecheney> sarnold: 1.x and up has an upgrade path
[06:45] <davecheney> there is no upgrade path from 0.x to 1.x
[06:45] <davecheney> sorry
[06:46] <kurt_> well, I guess if it allows me to deploy multiple charms and thus services on fewer nodes, its probably worth it
[06:47] <kurt_> is 1.12 stable?
[06:47] <davecheney> kurt_: yes
[06:47] <davecheney> that is why it lives in the stable ppa :)
[06:48] <MACscr> davecheney: does lxcbr0 have to to nat? if not, can it use dhcp?
[06:48] <kurt_> ok, I'm not totally familiar with bzr / ppa and all that yet - learning
[06:48] <MACscr> i guess i could rename things
[06:48] <MACscr> or do i maybe need to create a second network
[06:49] <davecheney> MACscr: lxcbr0 is a layer 2 bridge mode interface
[06:50] <MACscr> well technically its just the name of an interface. I was never aware it had to be used in a certain fashion
[06:51] <davecheney> MACscr: i'm not really sure how you have configured your lxc networking
[06:51] <MACscr> so pretty much i cant use juju with lxc unless i want to use nat? which is obviously pretty useless without doing some sort of port forwarding
[06:51] <davecheney> juju pretty much expects to be able to control it
[06:51] <davecheney> and that the setup that arrives out of the box is the setup that is present when you try to use the local provider
[06:52] <davecheney> MACscr: i don't know if this is related to nat
[06:52] <davecheney> it's probably simply that you've change the default LXC config from what juju is expecting
[06:52] <davecheney> the local provider is still classed as experimental
[06:52] <davecheney> or (insert word != production)
[06:52] <MACscr> davecheney: out of the box, all of the lxc guests are not accessible outside the host because they are using nat
[06:53] <davecheney> MACscr: using the bridge mode interface we expect they DHCP from the same source as the host
[06:55] <MACscr> davecheney: i apologize for my ignorance, but both my host and my lxc instances are all getting their ip addresses from the same dhcp server on my router
[07:03] <davecheney> MACscr: s'ok
[07:03] <davecheney> no need to be sorry
[07:03] <davecheney> lxc is super complex
[07:04] <sarnold> :)
[07:04] <davecheney> and has loads of knobs to twiddle
[07:04] <MACscr> davecheney: not really, it can be complex, but it doesnt have to be in its most basic form =P
[07:16] <MACscr> davecheney: so from the sounds of it, there is no way to use juju with lxc and still have the lxc instances accessible on the LAN?
[07:19] <davecheney> MACscr: i don't think that is correc
[07:19] <davecheney> that is exactly how the juju lxc provider expects things to work
[07:19] <davecheney> we bridge the lxc containers onto whatever your default ethernet interface is
[07:19] <davecheney> so they get DHCP addresses
[07:19] <davecheney> i think
[07:19] <davecheney> let me check
[07:19] <MACscr> thats not now lxc works by default
[07:19] <MACscr> er, how
[07:20] <davecheney> MACscr: you probalby know more about it than me
[07:20] <MACscr> well im only a few days into lxc
[07:20] <davecheney> MACscr: i'm waiting for confirmation
[07:20] <davecheney> you may find it easier to ask this question in #juju-dev
[07:32] <tokern3> i installed juju but when i used it it gave me this error:           error: No environments configured. Please edit: /root/.juju/environments.yaml   it seems it's a bug . what should i do?
[07:32] <sarnold> tokern3: did you mean to run juju deploy as root?
[07:33] <tokern3> sarnold:  yes
[07:35] <tokern3> sarnold:  http://fpaste.org/34727/13775025/
[07:38] <sarnold> tokern3: did you configure your environments.yaml properly?
[07:38] <tokern3> no i just installed it today sarnold. i did nothing on it
[07:38] <tokern3> http://fpaste.org/34729/75027261/  sarnold
[07:39] <sarnold> tokern3: ah. you must tell juju how to contact your cloud, with which credentials, for it to be useful. :)
[07:39] <davecheney> tokern3: really, please don't run juju as root
[07:39] <sarnold> tokern3: there are links for configuring juju for aws, hp cloud, and openstack: https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/
[07:39] <davecheney> there are only two cases where you need to use sudo, and they are using the local/lxc provider
[07:40] <sarnold> bed time :) have fun!
[07:40] <tokern3> sarnold:  wait a min
[07:40] <davecheney> tokern3: i don't think juju deploy is doing to do what you think there
[07:40] <tokern3> i wanted to install  jenkins
[07:40] <tokern3> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:34CJESdYOe8J:https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Installing%2BJenkins%2Bon%2BUbuntu+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
[07:40] <tokern3> i'm doing every command in this page .
[07:41] <tokern3> is the cloud part necessary ?
[07:41] <sarnold> tokern3: but -where- did you want to install jenkins to? your amazon cloud? your hp cloud? your openstack cloud? some lxc instances?
[07:41] <sarnold> tokern3: the cloud is the whole point of juju. :)
[07:41] <davecheney> tokern3: ok, you need to configure juju first
[07:41] <davecheney> to tell it where to deploy jenkins too
[07:41] <davecheney> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/getting-started.html#install
[07:41] <davecheney> ^ start at configure
[07:44] <sarnold> tokern3: if you just want to install software on one machine for production use, and you're _not_ using any cloud computing infrastructure, maybe you're _really_ looking for "apt-get install jenkins".
[07:45] <sarnold> tokern3: I suggest reading this page before going much further: http://blog.labix.org/2013/06/25/the-heart-of-juju
[07:45] <sarnold> you might be in the wrong place depending upon what you want to get done. :)
[07:45] <sarnold> good luck, and have fun. :D
[07:46] <tokern3> sarnold:  i installed jenkins : apt-get install and det port8080 for it but i didn't  set juju at all.  my goal is integrate autotest into jenkins.           thank you for help
[13:34] <rick_h> jcastro: if you guys want to hit up some node and ruby folks as well as java/etc. check out adding codemash.org to your list of conferences to hit up
[13:36]  * jcastro nods
[13:36] <jcastro> rick_h: do you typically go?
[13:37] <rick_h> jcastro: I've not gone the last two eyars, but went the 3 before that
[13:37] <jcastro> man I am 90% sure we're sprinting that week
[13:37] <rick_h> jcastro: a little bit of a outside the normal crowd
[13:37] <rick_h> which I think is good tbh
[13:38] <jcastro> want to submit a talk? :)
[13:38] <rick_h> jcastro: heh, was thinking about it. I tried to bring some python love there, but it's a small chunk of people. JS/Ruby would be larger communities.
[13:38] <rick_h> will think on it, but wanted to put it on your radar
[13:39] <jcastro> yeah
[13:39] <jcastro> maybe marco or mims can join you
[13:41] <rick_h> jrwren: do you recall numbers from there? I know they stopped growing to keep from outgrowing the space, but can't recall how many it was.
[13:45] <jrwren> rick_h: what?
[13:45] <rick_h> jrwren: how big is codemash? 600ish people?
[13:45] <jrwren> oh the kalahri expanded. last year was 1200
[13:45] <jrwren> likely to be 1200 this year too
[13:45] <rick_h> ok, I wanted to think over 1k but seemed too big and knew that was around OLF. Thought I had confused them.
[13:46] <jrwren> you gonna submit juju talks?
[13:46] <jcastro> jrwren: you should do one!
[13:46] <rick_h> jrwren: I'm thinking about it. I want to charm up bookie now that lxc containers work I can debug the charm nicely
[13:46] <jcastro> our node charm should be finished by then
[13:46] <jcastro> or do the rack charm, it's ninja
[13:46] <rick_h> jrwren: but I know there's a bit node/ruby/windows community so might be cool to hit up off the beaten path
[13:47] <jcastro> Do a node app .... on Azure.
[13:47] <jrwren> jcastro: ok, i'll submit one.
[13:47] <jrwren> rick_h: yes. there is a small python group there too.
[13:48] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, I've tried to rep python there, but not made it the last couple of years
[13:48] <jrwren> IMO juju transcends platform, well, it doesn't help windows.
[13:48] <jrwren> rick_h: i'll try to rep python more there.
[13:48] <rick_h> jrwren: yep, was thinking it'd be good to get some visiblity in some circles that don't read us that often
[13:49] <jcastro> I can get a box of shirts, and swag, etc.
[13:49] <jcastro> let me add it to my events target sheet
[13:50] <jcastro> jrwren: are you entering the charm contest?
[13:50] <jrwren> jcastro: not afaik.
[13:50] <jrwren> jcastro: if I use juju much, it will be at work on proprietary codes. public charms will be of no use.
[13:51] <jcastro> charms can deploy anything
[13:51] <jrwren> other than that, I feel all the cool charms are written.
[13:51] <jcastro> even blobs!
[13:51] <jrwren> wordpress and discourse charms exist. The world is complete.
[13:51] <rick_h> lol
[13:51] <jcastro> when do CFPs open for codemash?
[13:52] <jrwren> I think they are open.
[13:52] <jcastro> I was actually whining to people to stop demoing wordpress
[13:52] <jcastro> it's like man, show something complicated
[13:52] <jrwren> the point is that it is not supposed to be complicated.
[13:52] <jcastro> yeah so if you wanna do node that charm should be rewritten by then
[13:53] <jcastro> jrwren: well, installing PHP stuff is relatively simple to do vs say .... hadoop
[13:53] <jrwren> hadoop? never heard of it. wait. is that some jvm thing? :)
[13:53] <jrwren> discourse is complex IMO.
[13:54] <jcastro> yeah
[13:54] <jcastro> it's not in the store yet though
[13:54] <jcastro> soon
[13:54] <jrwren> i looked at that charm. its interesting. it uses tcmalloc in ruby. nice complex stuff
[16:40] <kurt_> jcastro: you were asking me if I had installed a later version of juju?
[16:40] <kurt_> I am going to install 1.12
[16:40] <jcastro> yeah
[16:40] <jcastro> ok
[16:40] <kurt_> starting over
[16:40] <jcastro> that's the latest stable.
[16:40] <jcastro> so no recovery after the vmware crash?
[16:40] <jcastro> just boom?
[16:40] <kurt_> what do you need me to test since I'm about to destroy everythign
[16:40] <kurt_> it's all good
[16:41] <kurt_> I still have some learning to do w/r network architecture
[16:41] <kurt_> w/r openstack
[16:41] <kurt_> I got everything successfully installed incl dashboard
[16:41] <kurt_> i just couldn't get the networks to work or a vm to spin up within openstack
[16:42] <kurt_> I believe later versions of juju will give me more flexibility in my deployment strategy
[16:42] <kurt_> allow me to deploy more than one charm/service on a node
[16:46] <jcastro> yeah
[16:46] <jcastro> we do --to now so you can specify a machine
[16:46] <kurt_> that's really nice
[16:46] <kurt_> will that be supported within the gui?
[16:46] <jcastro> currently a WIP in the gui
[16:46] <jcastro> the feature itself is newish so there's some skew there
[16:46] <kurt_> eh..huh?
[16:47] <kurt_> WIP?
[16:47] <jcastro> work in progress, sorry!
[16:47] <kurt_> lol
[16:47] <jcastro> http://www.jorgecastro.org/2013/07/31/deploying-wordpress-to-the-cloud-with-juju/
[16:47] <jcastro> has --to examples
[16:47] <kurt_> nice
[16:48] <kurt_> while I have your attention.  do you have a reference network architecture visio or document?  I have seen jamepage's excellent write up, but it stops short with defining the actual network architecture used.
[16:48] <kurt_> I mean for openstack
[16:49] <kurt_> he references ensuring services are on particular interfaces without illustrating the reference
[16:50] <kurt_> I found some good folsom-based examples that would likely work on the openstack site
[16:50] <jcastro> hmmm
[16:50] <kurt_> but it would be nice to match up the work he did in his reference architecture
[16:51] <kurt_> for HA
[16:51] <jcastro> that's a jamespage or adam_g question I think
[16:52] <kurt_> yeah, I think they must be super busy or I've been pestering them too much for info :D
[16:52] <jcastro> maybe there's something upstream on a doc page
[16:52] <jcastro> SpamapS: ^^^ any idea?
[16:52] <marcoceppi> jcastro: your daily reminder that it's WordPress
[16:52] <jcastro> indeed
[16:53] <marcoceppi> <3
[16:55] <kurt_> If you guys have ideas or manage to speak with Jamespage, I would love to get my hands on that info
[16:55] <SpamapS> sorry wha?
[16:56] <SpamapS> kurt_: oh you want a recommendation for the physical network to deploy Neutron on top of?
[16:56] <SpamapS> kurt_: http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-network/admin/content/ has some things I think
[16:56] <kurt_> SpamapS: that would be awesome
[16:56] <kurt_> is that what jamespage used as a model for his HA openstack doc?
[16:57] <kurt_> and yes I have been looking at that.
[16:57] <SpamapS> kurt_: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-ops/content/ may too
[16:57] <kurt_> my complexity comes from: I am on vmware and I am using MAAS
[16:57] <SpamapS> http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-ops/content/network_design.html
[16:58] <jcastro> ah nuts, I don't think --to works on MAAS yet
[16:58] <kurt_> oh seriously??
[16:58] <kurt_> NOOOO :)
[16:59] <SpamapS> jcastro: why wouldn't it? it worked with jitsu deploy-to
[16:59] <jamespage> kurt_, jcastro: --to worked OK for me
[16:59] <sarnold> it requires provider support?
[16:59] <jcastro> SpamapS: it's maas provider specific
[16:59] <jamespage> with MAAS
[16:59] <kurt_> there is jamespage!
[16:59] <SpamapS> I mean, I don't know that anybody has ever assembled the 28 actual machines to do a full HA deploy without --to ;)
[16:59] <jamespage> SpamapS, :-0
[16:59] <jcastro> it's a high priority bug that the core team is well aware of. :)
[16:59] <jamespage> jcastro, is that a new bug in 1.13.2?
[17:00]  * kurt_ thinks RATS!
[17:00] <jamespage> I'm sure it was working OK with I tried it the other day with 1.12.0
[17:00] <jcastro> jamespage: Oh really?
[17:00] <jamespage> jcastro, I'm pretty certain yes
[17:00] <jcastro> oh good then!
[17:00] <kurt_> well, I can test it for you guys :)
[17:01] <jamespage> kurt_, what was your question re network architecture?
[17:01] <jcastro> yeah let me know
[17:01]  * SpamapS stuffs a sock in his mouth and backs away slowly
[17:01] <marcoceppi> jcastro: --to is provider agnostic iirc
[17:01] <jcastro> SpamapS: just trying to reel you back in sir!
[17:01] <kurt_> jamespage: I was looking at your HA openstack reference architecture
[17:01] <kurt_> guide, etc
[17:01] <jamespage> kurt_, ah - my epic
[17:01] <kurt_> can you please provide a supporting network map? :D
[17:02] <kurt_> I have run in to all kinds of issue with the quantum stuff and being able to allocate a network/floating IP etc
[17:02] <kurt_> and even spin up a vm
[17:03] <jcastro> jamespage: Aha, nevermind, I am thinking of the --contraints not working on maas, not --to
[17:03] <marcoceppi> jcastro: last I talked with dfc about it. --to is really dumb and just does whatever you tell it to
[17:03] <jamespage> kurt_, so the charms implement this - http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-network/admin/content/use_cases_tenant_router.html
[17:03] <kurt_> and I think its my own lack of understanding holding me back and having the underlying network not really set up correctly
[17:03] <jcastro> marcoceppi: yeah I was thinking of constraints
[17:03] <marcoceppi> jcastro: ahh yeah. e need more constraints for Maas
[17:03] <jamespage> kurt_, each tenant must create/have created for them a private network and a route that connects it to the outside world
[17:03] <jamespage> that ends up on the quantum-gateway unit btw
[17:04] <jamespage> then you can float ip addresses on your instances for public access.
[17:04] <jamespage> kurt_, the quantum-gateway charm current requires a dedicated network port connected to the 'public' network to support this feature
[17:04] <kurt_> public = internet network right?
[17:04] <jamespage> public can be another connection to the private network in test deployments
[17:04] <jamespage> kurt_, yep
[17:05] <jamespage> kurt_, look - I'm time limited right now - hopefully that points you in the right direction
[17:05] <kurt_> Ok, I have been using NAT on my MAAS region controller - I think I am maybe breaking routing with that
[17:05] <jamespage> take a look at the quantum-tenant-net and quantum-ext-net commands that get installed on the nova-cloud-controller node
[17:05] <jamespage> they have help :-)
[17:05] <kurt_> jamespage: yes, its a good start.
[17:06] <kurt_> jamespage: maybe I can put together a visio with my stuff and email to you? you could give it a quick once-over?
[17:06] <jcastro> kurt_: make it nice so we can steal it and put it in the documentation!
[17:06] <kurt_> lol
[17:07] <kurt_> as long as you credit me as a contributor :D
[17:07] <jcastro> always dude!
[17:07] <kurt_> maybe I'll earn that t-shirt then :)
[17:07] <jcastro> I was going to bring one for ya anyway
[17:07] <kurt_> jcastro: what version of juju do you want me to test?
[17:08] <kurt_> 1.12?
[17:08] <jcastro> yes please
[17:08] <kurt_> sure
[17:08] <jcastro> 1.13.2 is the new dev
[17:08] <jcastro> and I am interested in you trying that too but -stable ftw for now
[17:09] <kurt_> ok, give me some time today.  I need to thread in my "normal" work
[17:09] <kurt_> jcastro: do you work with Maarten Ectors?
[17:10] <jcastro> yeah
[17:10] <kurt_> ok, he reached out to me for some feedback
[17:10] <kurt_> I'm guessing that's fairly normal for mailing list contributors
[17:12] <jcastro> I think it depends on what you posted
[17:13] <jcastro> you posted that grizzly question?
[17:15] <web-brandon> juju/pkgs for the latest charm-tools right?
[17:19] <marcoceppi> web-brandon: ATM yes. though that may change soon
[17:25] <kurt_> jcastro: I think it was...
[17:29] <X-warrior> If I want to use juju with aws, does the S3 mandatory?
[17:30] <web-brandon> marcoceppi: are you moving it to its own PPA? I noticed one but it had some failed builds.
[17:46] <marcoceppi> web-brandon: it'll eventually be going in the juju/stable ppa
[17:46] <marcoceppi> X-warrior: yes
[17:46] <marcoceppi> web-brandon: with a separate daily builds ppa
[17:49] <X-warrior> is it possible to choose the aws machine type? for example
[17:49] <X-warrior> micro instance?
[17:51] <X-warrior> I found it, --constraint ty
[17:54] <marcoceppi> X-warrior: you'll need to set cpu-power=0 mem=128 cpu-cores=0 with constraints in order to get micro with juju. we really don't recommend micros though
[17:55] <X-warrior> marcoceppi: oh really? ok, thanks for the information
[18:11] <X-warrior> So I'm trying to bootstrap to sa-east-1 but I'm getting this error: "error: provider storage is not writable"... when I try to us-east-1 for example it created the machine. S3 says there is no region specification so I think it is ok. The only difference I could find is, ec2 from sa-east-1 has 2 machines (not created with juju) and us-east-1 has no machine. What could be wrong?
[18:15] <sarnold> X-warrior: juju currently operates entirely within one availability zone in one region. there's no region-spanning intelligence..
[18:15] <X-warrior> sarnold: Yeap, but does it need a clean region?
[18:16] <sarnold> X-warrior: no idea, but seems unlikely
[18:17] <X-warrior> So I have no idea what is going on, I can bootstrap to us-east-1 easily... but when I try to bootstrap to sa-east-1 I get that error
[18:17] <X-warrior> :S
[18:51] <X-warrior> sarnold: I found the problem, the problem was the s3 name. Just updated it and it worked. :D
[18:52] <sarnold> X-warrior: woo! :)
[18:52] <X-warrior> Is bootstrap a valid instance to deploy services?
[18:52] <X-warrior> for example, juju deploy postgresql --to 0
[18:56] <marcoceppi> X-warrior: yes, you can deploy --to the bootstrap node
[18:57] <X-warrior> so I already run juju bootstrap, but when I try to to use deploy --to 0, it returns me 'error: no instance found', checking the amazon ec2 I see the juju-amazon machine
[19:01] <_mup_> Bug #1217011 was filed: error connecting to rapi ws from chrome dev channel (30) <juju:New> <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1217011>
[19:19] <X-warrior> 2013-08-26 19:18:04 ERROR juju supercommand.go:235 command failed: cannot start bootstrap instance: cannot set up groups: cannot revoke security group: Source group ID missing. (MissingParameter) error: cannot start bootstrap instance: cannot set up groups: cannot revoke security group: Source group ID missing. (MissingParameter)
[20:40] <vds> Hello, I'm trying to deploy postgresql with the support for permanent storage, after changing the config file in this way http://paste.ubuntu.com/6030130/ I get this error, which is not very clear to me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6030125/
[20:40] <vds> any suggestion?
[20:47] <sidnei> vds: did you get an error and then retry perhaps?
[20:47] <vds> sidnei, nope
[20:50] <sidnei> vds: uhm, try debug-hooks and then retry --resolved, see what 'config-get --format=json' returns once in the hook context.
[20:50]  * vds tries
[21:09] <kentb> anyone know when this will trickle down into juj-core, preferably the stable ppa?: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1210328
[21:09] <_mup_> Bug #1210328: cloudinit: switch apt-add-repository to use ppa:juju/stable <juju-core:Fix Committed by axwalk> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1210328>
[21:16] <sidnei> kentb: it's in the devel ppa atm, stable will only be updated when 1.14 is released.
[21:17] <kentb> ok. thank you sidnei
[21:49] <vds> sidnei, config-get is not installed on postgresql/0
[21:49] <sidnei> !
[21:50] <sidnei> vds: are you running from debug-hooks in the context of a hook?
[21:50] <sidnei> vds: if you run in the default shell when debug-hook start up it won't work
[21:50] <sidnei> vds: you need the 2nd shell that pops up after you do resolved --retry
[21:52] <vds> sidnei, where should I run resolved --retry?
[21:52] <sidnei> vds: from where you ran juju debug-hooks (which I assume is your local machine), on a separate terminal window of course
[21:56] <vds> sidnei, config-get in the context of the hook returns {}
[21:57] <sidnei> vds: cool. i wonder if it's a bug? the code expects it to return the default value that's set in config.yaml apparently, and afaict that has always worked.
[21:58] <sidnei> thumper: ^
[21:58] <sidnei> vds: which version of juju you're using?
[21:58]  * thumper looks up
[21:59] <vds> sidnei, thumper 1.13.2-raring-amd64
[21:59] <thumper> vds: which provider (shouldn't matter just gathering info)
[21:59] <thumper> vds: and which hook were you debugging?
[21:59] <vds> sidnei, thumper could it be the config change I did? I'm not sure that's the way to pass a dict http://paste.ubuntu.com/6030130/ that's just what I changed
[22:00] <vds> thedac, openstack
[22:00] <vds> thumper, openstack
[22:00] <vds> thumper, from the debug log it looks like install
[22:00] <sidnei> vds: that looks like it should work


[02:59] <ravishankaradepu> hi
[03:00] <ravishankaradepu> quickly release raising an error " File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 865, in _conn_request     raise ServerNotFoundError("Unable to find the server at %s" % conn.host) httplib2.ServerNotFoundError: Unable to find the server at edge.launchpad.net ERROR: release command failed Aborting"


[06:23] <soee> http://news.softpedia.com/news/nvidia-364-19-short-lived-unix-driver-adds-vulkan-api-1-0-support-wayland-fixes-503325.shtml
[06:23] <ricotz> mamarley, hi, jfyi, I am currently uploading 364.19
[06:23] <ricotz> soee, ^
[06:25] <soee> hi ricotz, into drivers ppa ?
[06:26] <ricotz> yes
[06:30] <soee> ricotz: nice, thank you
[06:54] <mamarley> ricotz: Sorry, I have been ultra-busy trying to get a new router set up and I didn't get a chance to fool with drivers.  Thanks for uploading it!
[07:10] <ricotz> mamarley, hi, don't worry and just to be clear, you don't have to apologise everytime if you havent got it ready before me or alberto


[12:29] <ernstp> Launchpad seems to be sad :-( Lots of timeouts
[12:49] <cjwatson> ernstp: We have minimal support over the Christmas holiday period.  Please be specific about any timeouts you're seeing that seem urgent to investigate (they should all come with an OOPS ID)