[08:10] <dpm> andrejz, kelemengabor, I've got an Ubuntu App Developer Week at the time of our call today, would you mind moving it to tomorrow, same time? (I know I haven't sent the notes from last one, sorry. The last 2 weeks have been a bit crazy with developer.ubuntu.com)
[08:10] <andrejz> it's fine with me
[08:11] <dpm> cool, thanks. Let's see if it works for Gabor before I send the invitation
[08:12] <kelemengabor> dpm: works for me too
[08:15] <kelemengabor> dpm: also, if you send it out, please use the kelemeng at ubuntu dot com address
[08:17] <dpm> kelemengabor, ok, done
[08:23] <andrejz> cool
[08:24] <andrejz> dpm maybe you can send the notes please so we can do something about them untill tommorrow?
[08:25] <dpm> andrejz, it's a good point - I'll do my best. Next week will be better, but this week I'm still busy with UADW and developer.ubuntu.com
[14:54] <TLE> &quit
[14:54] <TLE> whops


[09:47] <melodie> hi
[09:47] <melodie> I'd like to ask how long can one expect to see the fix arriving in the repositories, for a bug such as this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/langpack-o-matic/+bug/1545212
[09:50] <melodie> it's been 18 days now since Martin wrote about the fix committed https://bugs.launchpad.net/langpack-o-matic/+bug/1545212/comments/10
[10:14] <melodie> I'll bbl, nice week-end to all


 SuperMat1 is now known as SuperMatt - aha don't deny it
[07:42] <SuperMatt> DANG!
[07:43] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: you win I just got an edit request sent to ubuntu-irc, #faile
[07:43] <SuperMatt> huh?
[07:44] <MooDoo> lol I think ! - is some sort of freenode thing
[07:44] <SuperMatt> ah, I see
[07:49] <mapps> hm
[07:49] <mapps> have to have my landline with sky too
[07:49] <mapps> 30 quid for 80mbit fibre 15 line rental seems ok
[07:49] <dwatkins> I just switched to PlusNet, and am finally without a cap.
[07:50] <mapps> im just super excited to get off 6mbit adsl
[07:50] <mapps> but will take a few weeks
[07:50] <mapps> 1-2 for my line to go from bt 1-2 for fibre
[07:50] <dwatkins> supposedly I get up to 70 MBit, but in practical terms it's generally 20 MBit - still pretty good for FTTC, I imagine.
[07:50] <mapps> if i just buy a second line is it quicker?
[07:51] <mapps> then cancel old line later
[08:02] <mapps> yessssssss
[08:02] <mapps> order placed
[08:15] <awilkins> Yeah, I get about 25MBit/s but I'm supposed to get 60 (Virgin fibre + cable)
[08:16] <awilkins> But in general I'm happy with it
[08:16] <awilkins> SO I can't be bothered to moan
[08:17] <awilkins> It's fast enough to stream HD and downloads a 10GB game in less than 2 hours
[08:18] <mapps> ;]
[08:18] <mapps> before on my 6mbit adsl i couldnt downoad and watch on demand as its so crap
[08:24] <mapps> ive been waiting 15 days for my money back from betfair
[08:24] <mapps> what an absolute joke
[08:24] <mapps> and everytime i phone them..told to phone my bank..then shock..the bank say phone them
[08:27] <bigcalm> Good sunny morning peeps :)
[08:28] <mapps> morning bigcalm
[08:39] <Myrtti> we're getting Zen FTTC installed today
[08:39] <mapps> :D
[08:39] <Myrtti> MooDoo: !commands are bot things, nothing to do with freenode
[08:39] <mapps> what speed you getting Myrtti
[08:40] <Myrtti> mapps: "sufficient" - the person who ordered it and knows the details came back home from a night shift at work and is snoring already so I can't ask for details atm
[08:41] <Myrtti> I'm inclined to say that anything is better than what we're getting now
[08:41] <mapps> ah
[08:41] <mapps> yea
[08:41] <mapps> what is it atm?
[08:42] <Myrtti> the speed isn't bad, but we're paying for something what we're not getting - if TalkTalk Business tries to deliver us the speed we are paying for, the connection quality falls and the speed drops to modem speed or worse
[08:42] <mapps> ah
[08:42] <mapps> yea i had that with o2..had to increase m y noise profile
[08:42] <mapps> thus decreasing speed
[08:42] <Myrtti> so they've dropped us to the slower speed level, and when we asked then if the ticket for trying to find out why we can't get the speed we're paying for, is solved, they said the ticket's been closed because the line doesn't have any problems anymore
[08:43] <Myrtti> of course it doesn't have the problems you numpties coz you dropped the speed
[08:57] <dwatkins> I was reading about someone who recorded a conversation with Virgin Media recently, as their letter stated the fibre would be to the premesis, but it wasn't.
[08:57] <dwatkins> I can't find the link right now, but he wasn't letting go of this piece of information.
[08:57] <Myrtti> RevK from AA wasn't it
[08:58] <foobarry> had a pic of some copper
[08:58] <Myrtti> we considered AA too
[08:58] <foobarry> too much wine?
[08:58] <Myrtti> just for the xkcd shibboleet compliance
[08:59] <Myrtti> http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1f154z/til_theres_a_uk_internet_service_provider_that_is/
[09:01] <bigcalm> Myrtti: is there the possibility that your phone line is aluminium instead of copper?
[09:01] <Myrtti> "anything is possible at zombo.com"
[09:01] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:01] <bigcalm> Wow, turn back time eh?
[09:01] <Myrtti> http://html5zombo.com/
[09:02] <Myrtti> FUTURE IS HERE
[09:02] <Myrtti> you can do ANYTHING at zombo.com
[09:02] <bigcalm> Bwuhahaha
[09:03] <bigcalm> Poorer quality audio :(
[09:04] <bigcalm> But it's nice to see it brought into the here and now
[09:06] <TwistedLucidity> Wait, there was audio?
[09:06]  * TwistedLucidity turns on speakers
[09:06] <Myrtti> of course there's audio
[09:07] <TwistedLucidity> I had my speakers off. Thought the coloured spinny thing was the zombo "loading" animation.
[09:07]  * TwistedLucidity has not had enough coffee
[09:07] <bigcalm> Aww
[09:08] <Myrtti> it is the loading animation.
[09:08] <Myrtti> zombo.com is a magnificent website.
[09:08] <Myrtti> I spend hours there every day
[09:08] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Loving Day! :-D
[09:09]  * TwistedLucidity thinks Myrtti is fibbing
[09:09] <Myrtti> eewwwwwww Postie just delivered The Sun special thingie
[09:09] <Myrtti> I feel polluted
[09:10] <Myrtti> tainted
[09:10] <TwistedLucidity> Whut? Hope we get one. I need some newspaper for mopping up messes.....
[09:10] <Myrtti> you should
[09:11] <Myrtti> IIRC everyone in England apart from an area in Merseyside gets it
[09:14] <MooDoo> Myrtti: what's a thungie?
[09:15] <MooDoo> thingie even
[09:16] <Myrtti> MooDoo: http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/jun/10/sun-hillsborough-disaster
[09:16] <Myrtti> http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/jun/11/sun-world-cup-2014
[09:19] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: Is the free issue "complete"? i.e. page 3 'n all?
[09:20] <bigcalm> One was just pushed through our letterbox as well
[09:20] <bigcalm> I feel ill :(
[09:20] <Myrtti> you mean I should actually go dig it from the recycling bin?
[09:20] <Myrtti> all I saw was the queen on page 2 I think
[09:21] <diplo> Someone actually buys it in the office I work in!
[09:21] <Myrtti> ew
[09:22] <TwistedLucidity> LOL. I was actually thinking; if it's complete, there's boobs on page 3. How does that square with the various restrictions on inappropriate material for minors? I mean, I have to put in a PIN code to watch programmes I've recorded and I don't even ahve kids!
[09:22] <diplo> For the sport I think, seems more of a sport paper than anything  else ?
[09:22] <Myrtti> AFAIK there wasn't bewbs on it
[09:22] <Myrtti> well, bare ones at least
[09:23] <bigcalm> I didn't open it. Put it straight in the recycling
[09:23] <bigcalm> Not even free bewbs will make me open it
[09:23] <TwistedLucidity> bigcalm: Super useful though (wet boots etc)
[09:26] <bigcalm> I'd rather not have it in the house
[09:27] <foobarry> +1
[09:27] <foobarry> although i feel like that about most papers.
[09:27] <foobarry> thinly disguised politicising
[09:28] <foobarry> not even disguised
[09:28] <Myrtti> I ordered Guardian vouchers for a weekend subscription just few days back
[09:29] <Myrtti> confusing experience over all but *shrug*
[09:29] <knightwise> hmmm. juicessh is a very goos ssh client on android
[09:29] <foobarry> my wife wouldn't let me go for a job at the guardian
[09:30] <foobarry> they wrote some very spiteful and false stories about a family friend
[09:30] <foobarry> amongst other things
[09:30] <TwistedLucidity> If they are false, did the friend manage to sue for libel? (Not a cheap course of action, I know)
[09:31] <foobarry> they attempted to discuss with them
[09:31] <foobarry> but the claims were made by a 3rd party
[09:31] <foobarry> so they just said they were reporting what the other person said
[09:31] <foobarry> although they were not a reputable source
[09:32] <foobarry> papers have cheeky ways to promote their agenda
[09:32] <TwistedLucidity> Not sure how that protects the paper. If I say "foobarry is a big, stinky, poo-bum" and a paper reports it; are they not also liable for not checking to see if foobarry is *actually* a big, stinky poo-bum?
[09:33] <foobarry> not without good lawyers
[09:33] <TwistedLucidity> For the avoidance of any doubt, I don't think that at all. I hope most folks would get that from the example (but you never know...)
[09:34] <foobarry> metro reported "couple having sex on balcony fell off and died" as the headline
[09:34] <Myrtti> if the paper says that TwistedLucidity thinks foobarry is a big stinky poo-bum, then they've reported that opinion right if they quote it verbatum
[09:34] <foobarry> the witness said they were kissing and getting intimate, one person said it looked like they were having sex, but not provable
[09:35] <foobarry> so is probably libellous, but they are dead, so cannot complain
[09:36] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: That's probably true, but I still think there could be a case against the paper depending on the seriousness of the allegations. If they wanted to protected themselves maybe they should insert "...without any justification that..."
[09:36] <TwistedLucidity> But IANAL, so what do I know?
[09:36] <Myrtti> yeah, likewise
[09:36] <Myrtti> come on mr.  GAH!
[09:44] <popey> of all the mainstream newspapers, the Guardian is probably the only one I'd consider working at
[09:45] <dwatkins> I know people who work for a paper I would never buy, they're not bad people but I don't understand how they reconcile doing their job with the content this particular paper creates.
[09:45] <bigcalm> Breaking news: popey announces departure from Canonical to work at local rag
[09:46] <foobarry> ^rag^website
[09:46] <foobarry> ^website^blog
[09:46] <foobarry> would non-smokers in here work at a tobacco company?
[09:47] <bigcalm> Not by choice
[09:47] <bigcalm> But then I'm en ex-smoker
[09:47] <dwatkins> likewise
[09:47] <dwatkins> I'd have difficulty working for a company which relates to gambling
[09:47] <foobarry> gambling
[09:47] <foobarry> thats my other one
[09:48] <foobarry> smoking and gambling co's
[09:48] <dwatkins> then again, I've dealt with a company like this, they were very pushy
[09:48] <Myrtti> depends on the country
[09:48] <dwatkins> "We've been around for hundreds of years" etc.etc.
[09:48] <Myrtti> I wouldn't work for a gambling company in UK. In Finland they're all nonprofits
[09:48] <Myrtti> apart from the foreign ones
[09:49] <TwistedLucidity> popey: I wouldn't. They appear to operate certain...umm...financial efficience that I am uncomfortably in supporting. I used to like the Indy, but no more.
[09:50] <Myrtti> BT engineer! whoop
[09:50] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:51] <dwatkins> I wish I could find this blog post about fibre to the premesis
[09:51] <TwistedLucidity> dwatkins: I like my job and the company is great, but some of the uses our products get put to make me feel uneasy. Although any other company I went to would probably have the same issue.
[09:51] <dwatkins> TwistedLucidity: agreed, although we have a clause about not using our products for making stuff like nooclear weaponry, I'm sure some of our customers aren't angels.
[09:53] <TwistedLucidity> dwatkins: This? http://revk.www.me.uk/2014/05/virgin-lies.html
[09:56] <dwatkins> TwistedLucidity: gosh darn it, you're awesome
[09:57] <dwatkins> I was searching high and low on Reddit for that.
[09:57] <TwistedLucidity> DuckDuckGo is your friend. "virgin media fibre premises" and just started scrolling. About 10th in the list.
[09:58] <dwatkins> nice
[10:00] <foobarry> i wonder who decides the magazines that you can read digitally from local libraries
[10:04] <dwatkins> the librarian?
[10:05] <foobarry> pretty sure its not the librarian
[10:05] <foobarry> in london anyway
[10:05] <foobarry> they seem to sign up to a zinio system where you get a subset of magazines
[10:05] <foobarry> mainly populist content free stuff
[10:05] <dwatkins> ah yes, I've seen it advertised as a way to download loads of digital editions with a single app
[10:06] <foobarry> i'd like to at least to to request some decent magz
[10:06] <foobarry> rather than apple mag and gay times
[10:06] <dwatkins> something like this https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/next-issue-unlimited-access/id533561885?mt=8
[10:06] <foobarry> there's 4 knitting magazines
[10:07] <foobarry> they have 2 mountain biking mags, so they do some niche stuff
[10:11] <foobarry> there's not even an email address to contact the provider of the service
[10:13] <davmor2> foobarry: I'm sorry you think knitting is niche hahahahahahahahahaha
[10:16] <foobarry> 4 knit magz is excessive
[10:20] <popey> foobarry: no, i wouldn't work for a tabacco company
[10:28] <popey> just had to spend ~500 quid getting car through MoT
[10:28] <funkyHat> D⢁
[10:28] <popey> Need to consider whether to keep it much longer.
[10:28] <popey> Also needs brakes doing, which will be a bit spendy too.
[10:30] <popey> Have had this car for ~13 years now.
[10:30] <popey> Has lasted well, but less need for a big car now kids have grown up (no buggies / high chairs etc)
[10:31] <popey> and it costs a lot for duty
[10:31] <bigcalm> Get a 107
[10:31] <funkyHat> Your car is old enough to have its own facebook account!
[10:32] <popey> hah
[10:32] <popey> It's nice though, comfy, leather, good for long journeys
[10:32] <popey> automatic
[10:32] <TwistedLucidity> popey: MPG?
[10:32] <bigcalm> Leather is not good for hot weather
[10:32] <popey> TwistedLucidity: dunno
[10:32] <popey> bigcalm: air con is
[10:32] <bigcalm> popey: <3 air con
[10:33] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Spoken like a man who make too much money! :-)
[10:33] <popey> spoken like a man who rarely drives
[10:33] <popey> work from home remember
[10:33] <TwistedLucidity> As do I.
[10:33] <bigcalm> Despite working from home, I appear to do about 15K+ per year
[10:34] <bigcalm> I think it might be because we always take my car to visit my parents or go on holiday
[10:34]  * funkyHat has had his license for just over 6 years, probably barely driven 1500 miles.
[10:35] <funkyHat> (It helps that I've not owned a car, of course)
[10:35] <popey> 1 year tax is £225
[10:36] <foobarry> on petrol motor
[10:36] <foobarry> my diesel is cheap
[10:36] <foobarry> seat ecomotive may even be free tax
[10:37] <dwatkins> I cycle to work when I can.
[10:37] <popey> thats my diesel
[10:37]  * Laney is car free
[10:37] <dwatkins> Unfortunately, I also do a lot of mileage because my relatives live 450 miles from me.
[10:37] <popey> wifey also has a car, but hers is small, not ideal for family holidays
[10:38] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Need to do miles in a diesel, no? To keep the filters etec clear?
[10:39] <dwatkins> I have fond memories of all five of us fitting into a Volvo 240 when I was little and camping around Europe
[10:39] <Laney> I like a future where people don't own cars but hire them from those pay as you go car clubs or whatever if they need them
[10:40] <dwatkins> Edinburgh has a City Car Club which seems like a good idea.
[10:41] <popey> meanwhile back on earth
[10:41] <dwatkins> You can hire a car for an hour or so, if you want.
[10:41] <popey> there are numerous hire companies like zipcar
[10:41] <popey> we used one at UDS once to trip around San Francisco
[10:41] <dwatkins> Reading (Berkshire) now has Boris bikes, too.
[10:42] <popey> but they don't help the usual family use cases.
[10:42] <Laney> back on earth we continue to fill our towns and cities with people sitting in small metal cages alone polluting the planet and destroying the locality
[10:43] <dwatkins> It's better than it was in many places, compared to during the industrial revolution.
[10:49] <funkyHat> Laney: I am the future!
[10:49] <foobarry> my neighbours nip out in the car and arrive 3 mins later
[10:49] <foobarry> i wonder where they are driving to
[10:49] <foobarry> the chippy maybe
[10:53] <dwatkins> Tesco Express
[10:53] <dwatkins> Tesco is a plague infesting the villages of this nation. There was a march in the village I grew up in to try and stop Tesco from building there.
[10:53] <foobarry> are spar/coop ok?
[10:54] <foobarry> i have seen village high st decimated by an out of town tesco/sainsbury/big other
[10:56] <popey> I do like Co-Op
[10:56] <dwatkins> exactly, foobarry - this Tesco will most likely kill the village centre
[10:56] <dwatkins> http://www.stoptescoingoring.org/
[10:56] <popey> hmm, needs another 432.45 on brakes.
[10:56] <bashrc> that sounds like a familiar story
[10:56] <foobarry> i have a problem in that i enjoy making models but shop rents have made real world shops scarce. now postage charges are getting ridiculous it is very hard to buy stuff anymore for the hobby
[10:56] <dwatkins> the pavements near the site they want are relaly narrow, and delivery trucks will make it even more dangerous etc.
[10:57] <foobarry> popey: are the brakes dead, or just pitted?
[10:57] <bashrc> also supermarkets tend to exfiltrate money from the local economy and move it elsewhere
[10:57] <dwatkins> foobarry: I gather a lot of shops now just mostly sell on ebay in those kinds of markets
[10:57] <foobarry> dwatkins: yes but the postage sucks
[10:57] <dwatkins> foobarry: true
[10:57] <foobarry> and sometimes i only want a 15ml bottle of paint
[10:58] <foobarry> the old shop model used to mean i popped down to the shop for the paint and came home with a model :D
[10:58] <foobarry> and the paint
[10:58] <foobarry> same day and all that.
[10:59] <popey> foobarry: they're pretty worn
[11:01] <foobarry> life is expensive :(
[11:02] <dwatkins> Life is like a box of chocolates.
[11:30] <foobarry> needs more bacon?
[11:31] <Myrtti> whee new tinternet
[11:46] <davmor2> Myrtti: well don't whee on it or you'll need another new internet
[11:47]  * dwatkins sends a fathers' day card
[11:47]  * davmor2 awaits the compulsory speednet results from Myrtti 's new internet
[11:48] <Myrtti> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+DuncanSample/posts/C6GZE1YT3Z6
[11:49] <davmor2> Myrtti: not bad
[12:08] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: 14 *up*? Yowzah!
[12:10] <TwistedLucidity> That's 5 times what VM gives me.
[12:12] <directhex> i get 16 up
[12:16]  * TwistedLucidity starts sobbing
[12:17] <TwistedLucidity> directhex: You also with BT?
[12:17] <directhex> yes
[12:20] <dwatkins> I can remotely open a browser and use speedtest.net, so I must have a fair amount of bandwidth
[12:21] <directhex> speedtest-cli from github
[12:21] <dwatkins> ooh, thanks directhex :D
[12:30] <dwatkins> strange, my upload is much lower than it was last time I tested (which was in the evening)
[12:31] <dwatkins> I get: Ping 88.93 ms | Download: 45.39 Mbits/s | Upload: 2.51 Mbits/s
[12:43] <foobarry> wife says she had someone knock on the door saying she was reading meters on behalf on EDF
[12:43] <foobarry> but not from EDF, and the ID was like a home prinout
[12:43] <foobarry> i don't think they will get very far
[12:46] <popey> Ooh! http://store.steampowered.com/app/271590
[12:47]  * popey adds to wishlist
[12:47]  * bigcalm bounces
[12:48] <bigcalm> Why can't I find the option to add to wishlist?
[12:49] <bigcalm> Because I'm not logged in :)
[12:52] <popey> Sun arrived, in bin (no boobs)
[12:52] <bigcalm> Heh
[12:52] <bigcalm> You had to check though
[12:53] <popey> i did
[12:55] <Laney> 55378008?
[12:55] <bigcalm> 0.7734
[12:55] <popey> Indeed!
[12:56] <MartijnVdS> popey: will there be a Linux version?
[12:57] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: are there linux versions for any of the other GTA games?
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: no, but that doesn't mean that a new game can't be ported ?: 0
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> :)
[13:00] <popey> MartijnVdS: no idea.
[13:01] <bigcalm> I should play some more of the missions in GTA IV
[13:03] <mapps> Matched: GBP 805,544
[13:03] <mapps> thats ridiculous
[13:03] <mapps> ;]
[13:04] <bigcalm> ?
[13:05] <mapps> the amount of money on one crappy horse race
[13:05] <mapps> just dont see where it all comes from
[13:07] <bigcalm> You just won £805,544?
[13:07] <mapps> no lol
[13:07] <mapps> i wish
[13:07] <mapps> the amount of money bet
[13:07] <bigcalm> Wow
[13:07] <bigcalm> I don't bet so have no idea if that's high or low for a race. I guess it would depend upon how many people are betting
[13:08] <mapps> well its huge..and for tonights soccer id imagine the winner will have like 20million+
[13:10] <awilkins> THe only day I ever bet on the horses
[13:10] <awilkins> Backed 5 winners in a row. Would have backed 6, but left races early to beat rush for car park.
[13:10] <awilkins> So wish I'd put an accumulator on.
[13:11] <mapps> woah
[13:11] <mapps> thats pretty decent
[13:59] <foobarry> thats how it all starts
[13:59] <foobarry> next you are in the gutter and house remortgaged...but i won my first five races!
[13:59] <foobarry> :P
[14:15] <awilkins> Yeah, hence I don't actually gamble
[14:39] <foobarry> reply from library "The magazine content is managed by the supplier on our behalf and the subscription is for the 100 most popular titles currently on Zinio, so it is the supplier that chooses the titles for us. "
[14:39] <foobarry> populist but not really doing a library's job of weighted approach
[14:40] <foobarry> there are 4 knitting mags, 2 sewings, quilting and papercraft
[14:41]  * Myrtti waits for the punchline
[15:04] <foobarry> just not a very balanced offering.
[15:05] <Myrtti> in balance to what?
[15:05] <foobarry> heavily weighted towards women's crafts and exercise mags
[15:06] <foobarry> and hello magazine etc
[15:06] <foobarry> no men's crafts
[15:08] <foobarry> beaver-skinning, hunting squirrels etc
[15:12] <awilkins> Women love their crafts
[15:12] <foobarry> men do too
[15:12] <awilkins> Fewer of them love crafts, I'd reckon
[15:12] <foobarry> military model making and dioramas are huelgy popular
[15:13] <foobarry> obv still niche but hey
[15:14]  * Myrtti leans her arms on her spinning wheel and looks at foobarry
[15:14] <Myrtti> do go on
[15:14] <Myrtti> :-P
[15:14] <foobarry> my wife wants a spinning wheel
[15:14] <foobarry> she bought a litle hand spinner instead because she can't afford >200£
[15:17] <Myrtti> http://www.winghamwoolwork.co.uk/ashford-wheels/30-ashford-kiwi.html
[15:18] <foobarry> thats the one you have?
[15:18] <Myrtti> nah, I've got Joy 2
[15:18] <foobarry> if i get a pay rise i will buy her one
[15:19] <foobarry> and buy myself a synology
[15:19] <Myrtti> http://www.winghamwoolwork.co.uk/ashford-wheels/707-joy-2.html <-- double treadle with bag
[15:19] <Myrtti> I wanted something transportable and easily stowed away
[15:20] <foobarry> is this for spinnign your own yarn?
[15:20] <foobarry> looks like thin cotton
[15:20] <Myrtti> yeah
[15:20] <Myrtti> well, thinness is an ackquired skill
[15:21] <foobarry> her friend is buying alpaca fleeces for her spinner
[15:21] <foobarry> not sure if this is all a fad
[15:30] <dwatkins> like thatching?
[15:34] <awilkins> Girlfriend does bead jewellery tutorials
[15:39] <dwatkins> I have a friend who crochets things on Etsy such as phone socks
[15:40] <dwatkins> dice bags etc.
[16:00] <davmor2> foobarry: I am sat in my office it is 50% computers 50% wool and patterns just me Knitting is no fad, nearly every town has one, and the ORG site was only taken down twice in it's life first was it's first ever /. second was when it was representing the rights of a woman who published her dr who knitting patterns online
[16:00] <davmor2> foobarry: note the geeks haven't taken it down since only knitters
[16:15] <awilkins> Were they the knitted Ood patterns?
[18:18] <mapps> hm
[18:18] <mapps> whos watching the game?
[18:18] <mapps> going casino at the empire or whatever it is next to hippodrome :D
[18:19] <diddledan> there's a game?
[18:26] <mapps> yes;p
[18:26] <mapps> 4 buds for 15 quid
[18:26] <mapps> isnt too bad
[18:29] <diddledan> tesco are doing cheap boxes
[18:30] <diddledan> I think they worked out 56p per can
[18:31] <mapps> but i cant drink that in the casino;p
[18:32] <mapps> its free entry if anyones around like a 100" screen
[18:36] <daftykins> tum te tum
[18:37] <daftykins> just been at my parents setting up their new li'l' desktop PC
[18:37] <daftykins> popped in a TP-Link wireless PCI-E 1x card to get it online, due to their setup being dire since i left :P
[18:37] <daftykins> worked nicely out of the box in an ubuntu 14.04 64-bit liveUSB \o/
[18:39] <mapps> hey daftykins
[18:39] <mapps> im getting fibre
[18:39] <mapps> :DDD
[18:39] <mapps> at last
[18:39] <diddledan> weetabix FTW!
[18:41] <daftykins> mapps: \o/ better pooping for all
[18:41] <daftykins> what specs?
[18:42] <diddledan> http://www.ebuyer.com/581256-ssdnow-v300-480gb-sata-3-2-5-drive-only-sv300s37a-480g
[18:42] <mapps> 80/19
[18:42] <mapps> :DDDDD7
[18:42] <mapps> 30 quid for the fibre..20.40 for line rental had to switch to sky was with bt
[18:42] <mapps> but i dont care
[18:42] <mapps> i just wanted FASTER
[18:43] <mapps> said itll be done in 1-2 weeks
[18:43] <diddledan> mapps: that's what I got, speedwise - I'm with sky
[18:43] <mapps> ya
[18:43] <mapps> i paid 50 for installation..not gonna quibble..pointless
[18:43] <mapps> and i want it ..so why waste my time moaning about 50 quid fee
[18:43] <diddledan> sky let you have a static IP now too
[18:43] <mapps> nice
[18:43] <mapps> and in 1-2 weeks my fibre will be on
[18:43] <mapps> they send me the router 5 days before fibre gets activated
[18:43] <diddledan> you have to pay more I think tho to get onto their special plan for it
[18:44] <mapps> and its good..they dont need to come in my house!!
[18:44] <daftykins> got my new tube of arctic silver 5 today \o/ with free haribo 8D <3 overclockers.co.uk
[18:44] <mapps> with my dad..he has fibre from bt infinity theyhad to come in to change his telephone socket
[18:44] <diddledan> yeah I got the new socket, too
[18:44] <Armag3dd0n24> england are going to win the world cup :) you heard it from me first. ;)
[18:44] <diddledan> I'm not sure whether there's any difference with self-installed no-socket-change
[18:44] <daftykins> ugh football
[18:45] <diddledan> Armag3dd0n24: you're in parallelaland?
[18:45] <mapps> no chance Armag3dd0n24
[18:45] <daftykins> the socket changes tend to just be VDSL2+ setups with built-in filters
[18:45] <daftykins> so no biggy really
[18:45] <mapps> id give you 1000/1
[18:45] <mapps> yes daftykins but requires you being in
[18:45] <Armag3dd0n24> lol trollinnnnnnnnnnnn
[18:45] <Armag3dd0n24> :p
[18:45] <daftykins> they just insist on putting it at the strongest part of the phone line, which is how all broadband should've been forever :/
[18:47] <ali1234> fun fact: the filters don't do anything for the data channel. they just filter it out of the audio loop so you don't hear weird noises when you make a phone call
[18:48] <daftykins> yeah, not telling me anything new there
[18:52] <daftykins> but of course taking it at the demarc. point is how it should be \o/
[18:52] <daftykins> ah, a nice perfectly de-gunked intel i5
[18:54] <diddledan> \o/ for de-gunking myths
[18:54] <diddledan> aka i5
[18:54] <daftykins> wat
[18:55] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/z8ywviba5td7uwc/IMG_20140612_195456.jpg
[18:56] <diddledan> nicely laid out lappy
[18:56] <daftykins> ;]
[18:56] <diddledan> some lappies internals are evil
[18:57] <diddledan> I expect apples to be of that ilk
[18:57] <diddledan> the evil kind
[18:57] <daftykins> this one is easy to open, Toshiba Satellite C855, but it's got so much flex you have to open the screen and slide just the keyboard and touchpad surface onto your desk to get any proper screwdriver use
[18:58] <diddledan> eek
[18:58] <daftykins> ok cutlery out to spread the arctic silver O_.
[19:00] <daftykins> mmm spreading that brand new stuff is so easy
[19:08] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dpxcp7f94ak99rj/IMG_20140612_151406.jpg
[19:08] <daftykins> teensy low profile card :D
[19:09] <diddledan> yummy!
[19:10] <daftykins> would rather not be wireless for a desktop, but things are a bit sketchy at my parents place these days
[19:11] <foobarry> how can i ask irssi to show me my highlights? my name is highlighted but scroll up key is broken
[19:11] <daftykins> do you use the away system?
[19:13] <foobarry> tis ok, i checked the logs intead
[19:13] <foobarry> i should use the script to pump highlights to another chan/window
[19:14] <foobarry> yay footy
[19:14] <daftykins> i just set away, move to the status window... then when i un-away they all come up
[19:14] <daftykins> \o/
[19:15] <foobarry> how do i set status away pls?
[19:16] <Myrtti> foobarry: /last foobarry
[19:16] <Myrtti> that tells the times foobarry has been mentioned in lastlog
[19:16] <Myrtti> to get the output dismissed, use /last -clear
[19:16] <foobarry> thats the one Myrtti , ta
[19:17] <Myrtti> to go to away do /away gone - you can replace 'gone' with whatever you want within reasonable length
[19:17] <Myrtti> and to return from away, do away without parameters
[19:17] <Myrtti> you can also use autoaway scripts - either one that sets you away when the idle time is high enough - or if you use tmux/screen, when you're detached
[19:18] <Myrtti> both toggle the away off automatically
[19:23] <foobarry> clever stuff :)
[21:06] <diddledan> http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/06/11/this-is-the-amazing-design-for-nasas-star-trek-style-space-ship-the-ixs-enterprise/
[21:20] <dwatkins> Someone has already built it in KSP.
[21:21] <diddledan> does it work?
[21:21] <diddledan> if so then surely that's evidence enough to go into production?
[21:21] <dwatkins> absolutely, no further testing required
[21:22] <dwatkins> diddledan: http://imgur.com/a/GyiBt
[21:24] <daftykins> http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader/
[21:24] <daftykins> nice one HTC, your cert expired
[21:25] <dwatkins> considering they're using the images on the original article to get 'young people' interested in it, they're barely at the research stage, I imagine.
[21:26] <dwatkins> daftykins: I gather they've given up on a lot of the bootloader stuff
[21:27] <daftykins> ah, i've just gotten an old tegra 3 HTC One X+ from my mum and gonna mod it
[21:28] <dwatkins> a friend of mine has a fairly recent Desire or similar which he can't unlock the bootloader on as the tools from that site just send him in circles
[21:28] <dwatkins> something about not being able to update hboot
[21:29] <daftykins> ah yes
[21:29] <daftykins> that old chestnut :D
[21:29] <daftykins> well, firefox opens a window when you select a device on that page and it doesn't have the usual 'ignore cert warnings' option
[21:29] <daftykins> so i'm a bit stumped right now too
[21:30] <diddledan> heh, it only expired at 6am today
[21:30] <daftykins> indeed :D
[21:30] <daftykins> sod's law eh
[21:31] <dwatkins> fun times with software version vicious circles, yeah
[21:32] <daftykins> 8D
[21:32] <daftykins> in fairness the Desire's are quite old
[21:32] <daftykins> your friends probably up you know what creek anyway
[21:46] <daftykins> there we go, phone rebooted to bootloader
[21:47] <daftykins> still tripping up on the website though
[21:47] <diddledan> grr, googley play-doh only has robocop available for rental and not purchase
[21:47] <daftykins> haha
[21:47] <diddledan> "I'd buy that for a dollar"... if they actually were selling it
[21:48] <diddledan> annoyingly apple have it for sale in itunes
[21:52] <daftykins> diddledan: you don't strike me as a DRM fan :<
[21:53] <diddledan> I'm not
[21:54] <daftykins> aren't the iTunes ones those paltry tiny low bitrate 'WEB-DL' you often see online?
[21:55] <daftykins> hmm ok been email'd a .bin with my bootloader unlock code
[21:56] <diddledan> I am however an instant gratification and HD fan. BluRay covers the HD but fails on instant and DRM. iTunes covers HD and instant but I can't play it on my TV. Googley PlayDoh covers HD partially, plays on my TV but fails on DRM - basically it's a mess of a marketplace
[21:57] <diddledan> I really want unencrypted downloads
[21:57]  * diddledan goes off in search of Jolly Roger
[21:57] <daftykins> lol
[21:57] <daftykins> yeah it doesn't pay to be legal sadly
[21:57] <daftykins> you can always buy a BD then download it XD
[21:57] <diddledan> it sucks
[21:58] <diddledan> the annoying thing is DRM doesn't prevent piracy
[21:59] <daftykins> if anything it encourages it
[21:59] <daftykins> 'cause we can't use the content the way we want
[21:59] <diddledan> bingo
[21:59] <diddledan> if the studios had their way you'd be tied to a limited number of devices, too
[21:59] <diddledan> i.e. "5 players per account"
[22:07] <ali1234> why not just get a dvb tuner card?
[22:08] <ali1234> i only watch movies when they are on tv now
[22:09] <ali1234> http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/pctv-systems-dvb-t2-290e-nanostick-hd-tv-tuner-a86kk?gclid=CjgKEAjwn-WcBRD61NHM-uqDrm4SJADrP4tPVkewKdEFd8_GQWLtwaSCosge1qD3fIYXDiLCoFwNRPD_BwE this is the one you should get, it's the only HD tuner supported on linux afaik
[22:09] <daftykins> but films on TV are ruined
[22:09] <diddledan> I've been thinking of something from http://www.tbsdtv.com/
[22:10] <ali1234> depends what channel you record it from
[22:10] <ali1234> stick to BBC and C4 and it's okay
[22:10] <diddledan> e.g. something from this lineup: http://www.tbsdtv.com/products/dvb-s2-tv-tuner-pcie.html
[22:11] <ali1234> yeah good look getting that to work on linux
[22:11] <ali1234> actually the satellite stuff might work
[22:11] <ali1234> for some reason that seems better supported
[22:11] <ali1234> i think T2 isn't very popular globally
[22:12] <ali1234> and S2 has more reach for obvious reasons
[22:17] <daftykins> TV's just... dire
[22:20] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/kcapfmii6bildc0/IMG-20140612-WA0006.jpg
[22:20] <daftykins> yay
[22:29] <daftykins> lol, don't you just hate it when they write the important part of the guide *after* the steps
[22:30] <daftykins> so you run through, and it's too late
[22:34] <diddledan> something else I've come across is where they give the crucial advice on how to do it after the steps which are guaranteed to leave your system broken because you didn't read the footnote explaining what you were supposed to do before the steps you followed
[22:37] <diddledan> kinda like "do a. b. and c. - oh btw, you did do this first, right?"
[22:37] <diddledan> emphasis on "this"
[22:37] <diddledan> replace "this" with step -1"
[22:38] <daftykins> yeah that's exactly this
[22:38] <daftykins> http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Install_CM_for_enrc2b
[22:38] <daftykins> step 11 reboot into your new system
[22:38] <daftykins> Note: you should've flashed this kernel btw
[22:38] <daftykins> WAT
[22:39] <daftykins> lucky i can re-do it :)
[22:40] <daftykins> oh i didn't even need to restore, ah well
[22:43] <diddledan> yeah it looks like that page is actually a stock page that they've copy+pasted and put a couple notes on rather than actually curating the content specifically for the device - they mention "some devices do not have removable sd cards" yet the page is specifically about a single device so surely it should be obvious whether to put the sdcard info there or
[22:43] <diddledan> not
[22:44] <diddledan> e.g. rather than "some devices don't have" put "this device doesn't have" or don't put the note altogether
[22:46] <daftykins> :D
[22:47] <daftykins> nevertheless, kernel flashed and i'm in \o/
[22:47] <daftykins> mission success
[22:47] <diddledan> well done(TM)
[22:47] <daftykins> ^_^ ta, although to be fair the guide spells it all out
[22:47] <daftykins> so it's not like i applied anything other than the ability to read and type  8D
[22:47] <daftykins> well, and prior knowledge of how to work the android SDK
[22:48] <diddledan> it's surprising how many folk can't do that tho
[22:48] <diddledan> i.e. reading and typing
[22:48] <daftykins> *nod*
[22:49] <daftykins> having done some teaching, i think we underestimate what we've picked up over the years too
[22:49] <daftykins> good lord man, it's the 64GB edition 8D
[22:49] <daftykins> i know it was in the pics before but i didn't quite believe it
[22:49] <diddledan> :-o
[22:50] <diddledan> that's a lotta flash
[22:50] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0ya47t7obasaiko/Screenshot_2014-06-12-23-48-42.png
[22:50] <daftykins> look at that beauty
[22:54] <diddledan> \o/
[23:58] <shauno> oh yuck.  something's messed up in my bash completion.  if I dd if=20<tab> it 'completes' it to dd 2014...... and drops the if=