[12:46] <bazhang> nice
[19:01] <m4v> trolls doesn't take a break in christmas it seems
[19:02] <m4v> don't*
[19:05] <jpds> m4v: Nor ops, how fitting.
[19:05] <m4v> yep, just me and niko
[19:06] <m4v> err, I meant, it's just me an niko in u-es


[08:07] <jamespage> Daviey, ^^ backported dkms/module-assistant packages for openvswitch with 3.8 kernel for 12.04.3 as discussed last week
[08:09] <jamespage> Daviey, includes DEP-8 tests for both packages...:-)
[08:12] <knome> infinity, hey, you around? :)
[08:46] <Daviey> jamespage: Super!  Will look shortly, thanks
[08:46] <jamespage> Daviey, thanks
[09:54] <sil2100> stgraber: hi! Do you have a moment to NEW a package from the queue? ;)
[10:00] <sil2100> stgraber: the mediascanner package is needed in the archive by our developers, which want to push some additional packages that depend on it
[13:04] <smartboyhw> Ubuntu Release Team: Any solutions to solve the consecutively failing Ubuntu Studio saucy images?
[13:09] <ScottK> smartboyhw: Why are they failing?
[13:09] <smartboyhw> ScottK, package conflicts
[13:09] <ScottK> Then fix the conflicts.
[13:09]  * smartboyhw is not familiar with the failing packages..
[13:09] <ScottK> The release team doesn't have any magical powers with regard to fixing packages.
[16:05] <infinity> knome: Am now.
[16:20] <knome> infinity, hey!
[16:20] <knome> infinity, an SRU question... we have 1207493
[16:20] <knome> bug 1207493
[16:20] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1207493 in xubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "[SRU] Documentation does not match shipped system version (11.10 shipped with 12.04)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1207493
[16:21] <knome> infinity, it hasn't been uploaded (yet :() and i was wondering if there was any possibility you could make an exception to the 7-day rule with this documentation package.
[16:22] <knome> infinity, as you can see, the bug and docs have been ready for some time already, but for a reason or another our uploaders didn't get to upload it by last thu.
[16:57] <infinity> knome: That's a pretty massive diff.  Was the wholesale backport really necessary?
[16:58] <knome> infinity, the old documentation is from 2010 or something
[16:58] <knome> infinity, yes, it's a complete rewrite but it's so much more accurate and fluent that we'd really like to get that in the LTS
[16:59] <infinity> knome: So, I can already spot one bug in this being a backport.
[16:59] <infinity> +  * debian/preinst: Dropped, not needed after 12.04 LTS
[16:59] <knome> okay, we can fix that :)
[16:59] <knome> skellat, ping ^
[17:00] <knome> infinity, my main question is that is it worth the hassle now to do these fixes: is it possible to get it in .3?
[17:00] <infinity> knome: Given that it's "just docs", I'm okay with being fairly loose on the rules here, expecially if the previous ones were essentially useless.  But definitely don't drop any transitional stuff needed (like that preinst)
[17:01] <knome> sure, i'll make sure that's fixed ASAP :)
[17:01] <knome> (the other argument is that it only concerns xubuntu...)
[17:01] <infinity> knome: If you guys get it uploaded, we'll see.  It's not world-ending if it misses the .3 images, though, as it'd be in the archive shortly after.
[17:02] <infinity> knome: I'm happy to help massage it through if it appears bug-free, though.
[17:02] <knome> sure, but i'm sure you understand why we want it for .3 (we even did the whole re-rewrite to be accurate for 12.04 in a relatively short time just for .3)
[17:03] <infinity> knome: *nod*... Get it uploaded (with the preinst thing fixed), and we'll talk. :)
[17:03] <knome> yep, i'll do that. thanks!
[17:03] <infinity> knome: We can probably push it through in a day or so, if you promise a bunch of people will install it from proposed, make sure it's not broken, browse the docs a bit, whatever.  However you test words.
[17:04] <knome> definitely.
[17:04] <infinity> "Yeahp, those sure look like words".
[17:04] <knome> heh :)
[17:27] <sil2100> infinity: hi!
[17:28] <infinity> sil2100: 'sup?
[17:28] <infinity> sil2100: mediascanner?
[17:28] <sil2100> infinity: are you also doing some SRU stuff? Since I need some validation of some old SRU bug - if it sounds SRUable ;)
[17:29] <sil2100> Since the upstream developer is poking me already since long long what's the status
[17:29] <sil2100> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1043627
[17:29] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1043627 in nux (Ubuntu Raring) "[SRU] Add XIM Support to Nux" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:30] <sil2100> infinity: mediascanner got in btw. but thanks for asking ;)
[17:31] <infinity> sil2100: Ahh, the Xim thing.  Do you have a patch you can attach to the bug too, so we can have a look at how painfully intrusive it looks?
[17:33] <infinity> sil2100: I'm not opposed to the Xim thing in theory, and it *sounds* like it should be isolated enough to not break other bits if it sucks, but a diff would be nice.
[17:34] <infinity> sil2100: Oh, hah.  Yeah, mediascanner got in but, in a hilarious twist, it builds on arm/powerpc, but not amd64/i386. :P
[17:34] <infinity> That's got to be a first.
[17:34] <sil2100> Ohshit
[17:34] <sil2100> Maybe the unittests are failing?
[17:34] <infinity> Yeahp.
[17:34] <sil2100> Probably a rebuild should work, since those seem flacky ;/ But I thought they disabled the flacky ones
[17:34] <sil2100> Sucks
[17:35] <sil2100> infinity: I'll try finding a diff to attach
[17:35] <infinity> sil2100: I'll give a rebuild a try.  But if it was developed on ARM, you could be the first people ever to have inverse signed char issues? :)
[17:42] <sil2100> infinity: attached
[17:42] <sil2100> infinity: (the branches are attached to the bug btw. but diffs might be easily readable for others)
[17:49] <infinity> sil2100: mediascanner had testsuite hate on the second go too.  You might just want to look into fixing it. :)
[17:52]  * sil2100 sighs
[17:52] <sil2100> Let me inform upstream
[17:52] <sil2100> The sad thing is that PPA's didn't have any problems, local builds too ;)
[19:19] <plars> slangasek: when do you expect we'll have candidate images for 12.04.3?
[19:19] <slangasek> plars: heya - was going to talk to you today about this.  I expect it's going to be first thing tomorrow
[19:20] <plars> slangasek: sounds good :)
[19:20] <slangasek> which given my failure to coordinate with certification up 'til now, I'm not sure means we'll have a release ready to go by Thursday
[19:20] <slangasek> but if that timeline is still ok on the QA side, we can still shoot for it
[19:30] <plars> slangasek: 2 days isn't a lot, and depending on when the image posts, it may be only 1 day or 1.5 days for psivaa who is in the UK, but we'll do what we can as quickly as possible
[19:30] <slangasek> plars: ack
[19:31] <slangasek> if we need an extra day, a Friday release should still be fine
[19:58] <infinity> plars: BTW, I'm letting that precise/omap4 kernel through, despite the QA failure on it, just to clear out the CVE backlog.
[19:58] <infinity> plars: Hopefully people will still look into the test failures.
[21:31] <hggdh> phillw: done
[21:31] <hggdh> bah, wrong channel
[21:36] <phillw> hggdh: close enough :P


[06:47] <ara> good morning all :)
[14:29] <davmor2> Daviey: you around?
[14:29] <Daviey> davmor2: jah!
[14:30] <davmor2> Daviey: do you have any recommendations for a usb stick tuner for testing myth at all?
[14:31] <Daviey> davmor2: pretty much any of them will just work..
[14:31] <Daviey> I tend to favour hauppauge hardware.. but even el' cheapo ones from Aldi will do :)
[14:33] <davmor2> Daviey: I got a peak one 100417agpk thinking that it doesn't show up.
[14:34] <Daviey> hmm
[14:34] <Daviey> not come across that
[14:34] <davmor2> Daviey: chipset on the linuxtv says supported.  It's a AF9013
[14:35] <davmor2> but it might be some odd revision
[14:35] <davmor2> or something
[14:36] <Daviey> davmor2: you might get better help on the linux-dvb mailing list, perhaps
[14:36] <davmor2> Daviey: thanks for the tip I thought in the mean time I'd try and grab a different one :)
[14:36] <Daviey> :)
[15:06] <davmor2> sbeattie: your python script took 1 hour dead to complete which wasn't bad :)  Normal rsync with the old script too 1 hour 20 :)  So 20 minutes faster and includes 2 more iso's and 2 more dvd's Yay :)
[15:17] <davmor3> cr3: I should finish off what test I can write up by tomorrow for you :)
[15:20] <cr3> davmor3: thanks man! you are one dedicated dude :)
[15:22]  * davmor2 Hmmmmm thinks that would make a great epitaph


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[00:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> I turn my back for two seconds...
[03:06] <arraybolt3[m]> The #ubuntu-offtopic chat went off into a discussion about an inappropriate topic, and repeated attempts to request that the topic be changes were unsuccessful, despite referring to the IRC guidelines and quoting the relevant portion of the guidelines. The conversation is still ongoing. Could you do something about Psil0, laguna, and enigma9o7? They're the ones who either brought up or engaged in the conversation.
[03:07] <arraybolt3[m]> (The section of the guidelined I quoted was "Please be considerate of everyone and keep all the Ubuntu IRC channels friendly places for everyone. This means that you should avoid any language which may be considered offensive, including acronyms and obfuscation of such language.")


[15:05] <mitya57> It looks like lubot left us on April 22 and did not return since then?
[15:05] <mitya57> So there is no synchronization with Telegram anymore


[03:34] <meta4> what is best way to do scheduled shutdown at fixed time?  poweroff in /etc/crontab results in reboots
[03:55] <nomic> halt
[03:55] <nomic> in crontab
[04:49] <octetcloud> I use multimonitor setup, and I had to put my laptop on the left of the main monitor, for wiring reasons
[04:50] <octetcloud> question: how do I get the tab-bar to be on the right/main monitor?
[06:42] <meta4> hmmm - looks like poweroff -p works okay; funny "poweroff" would need a poweroff switch...
[06:43] <mgedmin> hello!  can anyone tell me the gtk+ theme name of the default xubuntu theme?
[07:22]  * XeBlackWater Salut
[08:16] <LeMike> hello exo-preferred-applications shows firefox as my default browser, but skype and other apps always open chrome. why could that be?
[08:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> why do you have 2 browsers, if your prefered browser is ff?
[08:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> for the built in flash player in chrome?
[08:18] <koegs> LeMike: unfortunately there are different ways to define the default browser: http://askubuntu.com/questions/79305/how-do-i-change-my-default-browser
[08:18] <LeMike> for developing websites Poisoned_Dragon
[08:18] <Poisoned_Dragon> gotcha
[08:20] <LeMike> ah the x-www-browser was it. thanks koegs !
[09:13] <warny> where can I find downloads for xubuntu?
[09:16] <aynrand420> http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[09:16] <warny> thanks
[09:17] <aynrand420> no probs
[15:09] <akis> hi all. i want to install xubuntu 14.04.1 on my brand new hp HEWLETT PACKARD 14-r107nv N2840 with Intel® Celeron® Processor N2840 2.16 GHz and 4gb ram. do i have to proceed with 64 bit version or can i go on with 32 bit version? will 32bit version works properly with my 4gm ram memory?
[15:28] <GridCube> 64 is better
[15:28] <GridCube> oh
[15:29] <GridCube> he left
[16:00] <xubuntu> Hello.
[16:02] <GridCube> !hi | Guest28896
[16:05] <Guest28896> Hey phunyguy! I just saw you in the Ubuntu MATE chat.
[16:05] <Guest28896> How can I change my username?
[16:06] <Guest28896> Thanks for the welcome messages guys! (If you weren't bots, and if you were thanks away for the kind regards!)
[16:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol
[16:06] <Guest28896> How did you change your name?
[16:06] <phunyguy> hi....
[16:06] <Guest28896> I'm kind of a newbie to Linux.
[16:06] <phunyguy> I am in many chats.
[16:07] <phunyguy> !register
[16:07] <Guest28896> Remember me from the Ubntu Mate?
[16:07] <Guest28896> Haha.
[16:07] <Guest28896> Thans.
[16:07] <phunyguy> y/w
[16:07] <Guest28896> !register ET_Warrior
[16:07] <ET_Warrior> Alright, there we go.
[16:07] <ET_Warrior> !register
[16:08] <holstein> Guest28896: please be cautious.. you dont need to do this in this channel.. you can do it in the freenode channel.. so that you dont accidentally show your password
[16:08] <holstein> ET_Warrior: ^
[16:08] <ET_Warrior> What do you mean? Thanks again for the warning.
[16:08] <holstein> do it in the main server window..
[16:08] <phunyguy> click the server window
[16:08] <phunyguy> yes that
[16:08] <ET_Warrior> Oh I see.
[16:08] <ET_Warrior> Freenode?
[16:08] <holstein> ET_Warrior: i mean, if you typo here, and write your password, it goes in the channel here..
[16:08] <holstein> !freenode
[16:09] <ET_Warrior> !freenode
[16:09] <holstein> ET_Warrior: you are in channels, such as this one, #xubuntu .. they are on the freenode channel
[16:09] <ET_Warrior> Okay, thanks for all the warnings.
[16:09] <ET_Warrior> I need to restart I guess... the installation of xubuntu is finished.
[16:09] <ET_Warrior> I shall return!
[16:44] <ET_Warrior> Hey guys, I'm in a bit of a jam...
[16:44] <ET_Warrior> My Mac isn't showing my Linux OS anymore that I just installed.
[16:44] <holstein> why would it? did you install grub on it? or something like reFit? or the modern equivalent?
[16:44] <holstein> !mac
[16:45] <ET_Warrior> It had Grub on it
[16:45] <holstein> ET_Warrior: you had? you'll need a boot loader that supports all the operating systems you are using..
[16:45] <ET_Warrior> I tried to boot into my mac, but it didn't work, so I held the alt button, and it showed up my Macontosh HD
[16:45] <ET_Warrior> Then I booted into mac
[16:45] <ET_Warrior> now it just boots into mac by default
[16:46] <ET_Warrior> I need to get rEFIt again?
[16:46] <holstein> you can try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[16:46] <ET_Warrior> Alright thanks.
[16:47] <ET_Warrior> ehhh won't work.
[16:47] <holstein> ET_Warrior: what wont do what?
[16:47] <ET_Warrior> that's if I were still in linux
[16:47] <holstein> ET_Warrior: no.. thats from a live CD
[16:47] <ET_Warrior> Mac won't boot into the GRUB Menu
[16:47] <ET_Warrior> it just starts mac by default again.
[16:48] <holstein> ET_Warrior: you can boot the live iso from usb or whatever, and try recovering the grub that you are missing
[16:48] <ET_Warrior> I wanted it to boot into Linux by default.
[16:48] <ET_Warrior> Okay, let's try that...
[16:48] <holstein> ET_Warrior: sure, and it seems you are reporting, osx over wrote the bootloader you put in place..
[16:48] <ET_Warrior> I wanted to boot into Mac to find out the name of a email client I had, supposedly private, and encrypted.
[16:48] <ET_Warrior> and also to put Linux as the default startup disk
[16:49] <ET_Warrior> So just try booting from my USB again?
[16:49] <holstein> ET_Warrior: friend.. if you are not seeing grub, and you are only seeing the mac boot loader, the mac bootloader will *not* boot xubuntu, or offer to
[16:50] <ET_Warrior> So there's no way to recover my Linux Partition installed already?
[16:50] <ET_Warrior> unless I get rEFIt?
[16:50] <holstein> ET_Warrior: sure.. there are *many* ways to "recover" that
[16:51] <holstein> ET_Warrior: one i would try, is the link i gave with "boot repair".. where, you boot the live iso from usb or cd/dvd and reinstall grub
[16:51] <ET_Warrior> Alright, let's try rEFIt, I appreciate your help.
[16:51] <ET_Warrior> Oh, Okay.
[16:51] <holstein> ET_Warrior: another would be to copy the data you need to save in that live environemnt and reinstall
[16:51] <holstein> ET_Warrior: another would be, to read the links about installing on the !mac,a nd make sure you are doing everything properly
[16:51] <ET_Warrior> Alright thanks.
[16:52] <holstein> ET_Warrior: in my experience, which is a bit dated, i used reFit
[16:52] <ET_Warrior> I'm going to try the Live USB
[16:52] <holstein> ET_Warrior: i didnt not dual boot... i wiped osx
[16:52] <ET_Warrior> I dual booted because there's a lot of data I still have on my OSX
[16:52] <holstein> ET_Warrior: you should have *everything* backed up, and a way to recover osx, and any other operating systems on the drive
[16:52] <holstein> ET_Warrior: you *will* lose that data when the hard drive *does* fail, so, go ahead and back it up.. and plan for the loss
[16:53] <ET_Warrior> Hm... alright.
[16:55] <ET_Warrior> Looking in DiskUtility... it seems that my OSX renamed Xubuntu's partition as something else.
[16:55] <ET_Warrior> Looking in Disk Utility, it seems OSX Renamed Xubuntu's partition as something else..
[16:55] <ET_Warrior> Whoops
[16:55] <ET_Warrior> Didn't see that my messages typed.
[16:56] <ET_Warrior> brb
[16:59] <holstein> ET_Warrior: sure.. and OSX may wipe, or remove, or delete, or break xubuntu, or linux
[17:00] <holstein> ET_Warrior: apple doesnt promise or support dual booting.. and xubuntu isnt preventing you from dual booting
[17:00] <holstein> ET_Warrior: i had an older version of OSX that wasnt supported any longer, so, i didnt bother setting up dual boot.. but, there is something newer than reFit now..
[17:01] <holstein> but, refit is what i used http://refit.sourceforge.net/doc/c1s1_install.html
[17:01] <holstein> well...
[17:10] <ET_Warrior> Who was the fellow that helped me?
[17:10] <ET_Warrior> THANK YOU SO MUCH!
[17:10] <ET_Warrior> Boot repair worked!!
[17:13] <holstein> ET_Warrior: it may be that osx "breaks" that each time it boots.. i would look into reFit.. or the modern equivalent
[17:13] <holstein> http://refit.sourceforge.net/doc/c1s1_install.html
[17:13] <holstein> i would have my data backed up on *all* hard drives..
[17:13] <ET_Warrior> Yeah I did have rEFIt, but I gotten rid of it shortly after.
[17:14] <ET_Warrior> I know it's wise to backup data, but I don't have a big enough Flash ROM to do that.
[17:14] <holstein> ET_Warrior: that is a tool that may help you address the issue
[17:14] <holstein> ET_Warrior: no. its not "wise" to backup.. its the *only* way to keep the data. *all* drives fail.. period
[17:15] <ET_Warrior> Now I need to figure out how to install drivers and other things to my mac from linux.
[17:15] <holstein> ET_Warrior: you dont have to backup, and its not a sign of intelligence.. its just the *only* way to secure information like that.. on *any* hard drive
[17:16] <ET_Warrior> Yeah, but like I said, I don't have a big enough flash drive.
[17:16] <ET_Warrior> The one I have is only 8GB
[17:16] <ET_Warrior> I have more data than 8Gb
[17:16] <holstein> ET_Warrior: get one.. things are cheap these days, and you *will* lose the data, and shouldnt be resizing partitions without the data backed up..
[17:17] <ET_Warrior> I need one that's like 250 GB
[17:17] <ET_Warrior> so I can just put the whole HD in it.
[17:17] <ET_Warrior> I think they make them 1 TB now
[17:17] <holstein> ET_Warrior: only you know your needs.. im only stating facts.. i see 1 tb and 2 tb drives *quite* resonably priced these days..
[17:18] <holstein> ET_Warrior: dont think.. look it up, and check pricing, and get a backup plan
[17:18] <ET_Warrior> 1 TB is 90 bucks.
[17:18] <ET_Warrior> 500 GB is 70
[17:18] <ET_Warrior> on Amazon.
[17:18] <holstein> ET_Warrior: sure, and is your data important? or no? only you know what you need.. im only stating the fact that you will lose that drive
[17:19] <ET_Warrior> Well I appreciate your warnings! Like I said, I am a newbie to Linux.
[17:19] <ET_Warrior> Thank you again.
[17:19] <holstein> ET_Warrior: this has *nothing* to do with linux.. its just a fact of all hardware like that
[17:19] <ET_Warrior> Well yeah, but I mean you're being very helpful, and I appreciate that.
[17:19] <holstein> ET_Warrior: i only mention it becuase you are dual booting, and resizing your partitions.. and dont have a backup.. it is not recommended that you do that.. and one could percieve data loss as a linux problem..
[17:20] <holstein> ET_Warrior: sure.. we try
[17:22] <ET_Warrior> Where are apps located in linux?
[17:22] <ET_Warrior> I wanted to set another browser as default, but I can't seem to locate it.
[17:22] <ET_Warrior> Specifically... Superbird-Browser.
[17:23] <holstein> ET_Warrior: i say, try and approach any linux with the same approach you likely used in osx.. try the defaults, and more common tools and applications
[17:23] <holstein> ET_Warrior: otherwise, install whatever browser you like, and when you launch it, you should be promted to make it the default
[17:23] <ET_Warrior> I don't believe I was..
[17:24] <ET_Warrior> Let's see though
[17:24] <ET_Warrior> I can play around with the settings.
[17:24] <ET_Warrior> Thanks.
[17:24] <ET_Warrior> Yes I was asked apparently.
[17:25] <holstein> ET_Warrior: and, if you dont install from the default sources, you are responsible for updating and maintaining the software
[17:25] <ET_Warrior> I see.
[17:26] <holstein> which is fine, but, if you are new, and using an uncommon tool that is not well integrated, you can create a security problem for yourself
[17:26] <ET_Warrior> Yeah.
[17:27] <ET_Warrior> Is the sound system better on Linux?
[17:27] <ET_Warrior> I heard it was.
[17:29] <craigbass1976> I've got a friend on 14.04, and for some reason her only available screen resolution (after an update I guess) is 640x480.  What's the quickest way out of this pickle?
[17:30] <Hedgework> craigbass1976: a pastebin of the output of "xrandr" would be helpful
[17:31] <craigbass1976> Hedgework: http://pastebin.com/cqfSVLTV
[17:32] <Hedgework> craigbass1976: that means that either the monitor in question or the video chipset is refusing to give Xorg usable data on what resolutions it can handle.
[17:32] <Hedgework> craigbass1976: if you look this up online by searching the model numbers of the video card and monitor, you can manually configure Xorg
[17:33] <craigbass1976> Weird that it ran fine for months after a fresh install though
[17:33] <craigbass1976> I thought there was a command that would redetect it, like whatever ran during install
[17:36] <Hedgework> craigbass1976: "Xorg -configure" is worth trying
[17:37] <craigbass1976> There was a "proprietary Drivers" app I'm trying
[17:37] <Hedgework> It may or may not be able to do more effective detection than was already done.
[17:37] <Hedgework> installed before the failure?
[17:38] <Hedgework> That would easily explain it if you're messing around with what drivers you're using.
[17:42] <craigbass1976> I think an update might have cause the box to stop using the driver.  Waiting to see what happens after a reboot
[17:42] <holstein> have you added PPA's? have you tried booting the older kernel? the last known good one..
[20:38] <dragonMalta> hi...i have an omega oan133 android netbook using arm cortex A8....can i flash it in order to install xubuntu
[20:38] <dragonMalta> ?
[20:38] <knome> xubuntu doesn't have arm builds
[20:39] <dragonMalta> do you know any linux os which have arm builds...preferably low on resources
[20:40] <xangua> debian, arch
[20:40] <knome> dragonMalta, you can check distrowatch.com for a full lit
[20:40] <knome> *list
[20:40] <dragonMalta> thanks....ill have a look
[21:13] <matthew> Hello, my Ubuntu Software Centre isn't working correctly.
[21:13] <flux242> that's ok. I don't even have it installed
[21:14] <ET_Warrior> It keeps crashing.
[21:14] <ET_Warrior> How do I install SKype?
[21:14] <deshipu> !skype | ET_Warrior
[21:15] <ET_Warrior> Danke.
[21:17] <ET_Warrior> I get this error: E: Malformed line 56 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[21:17] <ET_Warrior> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[21:21] <bekks> ET_Warrior: So whats that line 56?
[22:00] <Chuck_> Hi, I have installed Xfce on Ubuntu 14.04 laptop and while tweaking it, found that there's no OSD for Brightness or Volume control. In fact, the volume wheel didn't even work. Can someone help me?
[22:01] <holstein> Chuck_: what do you mean by "while tweaking it" ? did these things work in main ubuntu? have you tried a xubuntu live iso on the hardware? this would help you determine if the issue is on your install, or in the distro..
[22:01] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KeyboardShortcuts is where i usually start..
[22:02] <Chuck_> holstein: By tweaking it, I mean adjusting panels and default applications. I used gnome-shell and unity before xfce and everything worked out of the box. Haven't tried the live ISO sadly.
[22:03] <holstein> Chuck_: there are different sessions at login, as well.. xubuntu and xfce.. you can try the different options
[22:03] <Chuck_> I am using Xfce at the moment, I installed it using the ppa and xfce4 alongwith its dependencies
[22:05] <holstein> !ppa
[22:05] <holstein> Chuck_: i would try a stock live iso, and make sure the ppa isnt causing issues
[22:07] <Chuck_> holstein: But what about OSD? shouldn't that work?
[22:08] <holstein> Chuck_: if the unsupported sources you added broke it, it wont..
[22:08] <holstein> Chuck_: and im not saying they did.. but, its a possibility..
[22:08] <Chuck_> ahh
[22:11] <Chuck_> holstein: ok it seems I was mistaken. I did not install xfce through ppa, that was other softwares I was installing and I though I added a ppa for xfce too. I checked and that was not the case
[22:12] <holstein> Chuck_: sure.. so, those sources *can* break functionality.. an easy way to check would be, the live iso..
[22:12] <holstein> Chuck_: otherwise, you can use the link i gave to start troubleshooting the plumbing.. or, look for other sessions and try them
[22:12] <Chuck_> holstein: Alright, that seems a logical step then, thanks for you help.
[22:14] <holstein> Chuck_: sure.. good luck
[22:51] <zmisc> hello :)
[23:33] <zmisc> is the xubuntu project looking for contributors?
[23:35] <deshipu> always
[23:35] <deshipu> !contribute|zmisc
[23:37] <ayakes> Hello: I noticed the Ubuntu Software Center does not load recommendations, will not install previous purchases, or will "sync between computers."  It does not provide a dialogue to log into Ubuntu One.
[23:41] <ObrienDave> ubuntu one is no more
[23:42] <Unit193> UbuntuOne as a file sync service isn't, but they reused the name just to confuse you. :P
[23:42] <ObrienDave> it worked ;p
[23:45] <ayakes> I understand Ubuntu One as a file sync service has been discontinued
[23:45] <ayakes> However, what about the basic functionality of being able to buy software from Ubuntu Software Center?
[23:47] <knome> zmisc, hey! if you want to talk more about contributing, join us at #xubuntu-devel. cheers!
[23:58] <zmisc> I've recently taken the leap of replacing my workstation with a laptop. Has anyone else done the same


[02:02] <phillipsjk> ..but topic sasy "no ranting" ;)
[02:04] <pragmaticenigma> yeah, there's #ubuntu-offtopic ... but I'm sure you're capable of being constructive in criticism :-)
[02:04] <phillipsjk> I know Knoppix fixed my complaint by not using systemd.
[02:04] <pragmaticenigma> how often do you run live mode? any particular purpose?
[02:06] <phillipsjk> Mainly trying to install Ubuntu, but I have been using other live DVDs for over a year due to alack of properly configured computer.
[02:08] <phillipsjk> Is USB booting now preferred for isntallation? I don't really like the lack of write protection on those.
[02:12] <pragmaticenigma> USB is probably the most common installation method. For machines I have to use optical media on, I either make use of Ubuntu's mini.iso installer or use Plop to get a boot environment that I can the start the image from the USB. Something to note, Plop does not include any write routines, which means the USB is effectively read-only
[02:14] <phillipsjk> I used to think ROM had superior security until I learned about return-oriented programming.
[02:15] <phillipsjk> I also noted that all my packages installed from DVD were promptly replaced by updates from the web.
[02:17] <pragmaticenigma> phillipsjk: That's why I install with the mini.iso ... mini.iso only comes with the smallest amount of "stuff" to boot the machine to the installer. After that all the packages are installed from the web. They are installed with the latest versions available in the repos. Once the machine is done installing, I don't have to wait around for updates
[02:18] <phillipsjk> 40MB: I can use up com CD-Rs I have alying around too. (but I have to pay music royalties on those, so DVDs may be cheaper)
[02:22] <pragmaticenigma> CD-R's only have music royalties attached if they have the "music" label on them
[02:23] <pragmaticenigma> phillipsjk: and depending on how long those CD-Rs have been laying around, better to use them, than to keep them around doing nothing
[02:25] <pragmaticenigma> depending on the quality of the disk, the substrate used for burning, does eventually break down
[02:27] <phillipsjk> pragmaticenigma, not in canada. As as 'win', the lobby did not get the royalties on MP3 player and cell phone storage they wanted.
[02:28] <phillipsjk> Also DVDs being exempt, as I mentioned
[02:29]  * pragmaticenigma makes note to not buy CD-Rs from Canada
[02:30] <phillipsjk> I looked into examption for data use: you essentially need to use enough CDs to get your own batch from the manufacturer.
[02:31] <phillipsjk> Probably hurts independent artists the most.
[02:35] <pragmaticenigma> or figure out a way to get them in from the US?
[02:37] <phillipsjk> could get stopped in customs. Not worth the trouble for how many CD-Rs I use.
[02:39] <pragmaticenigma> I think I'm not alone in wondering why ... but to each their own. you gotta use what works best for you
[03:54] <phillipsjk> I assume you can install additional packages with an extra tty with the mini.iso?
[03:55]  * phillipsjk did an emergency installation of 'smartmontools' because he smelled burning (external source) and temperatures reported by LCD thing were normal.
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> mini is just a base, you can do anything with it
[05:25] <ducasse> good morning
[06:40] <EoflaOE> Good morning everyone
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> morning EoflaOE
[06:40] <EoflaOE> Good morning lotuspsychje. How is your day?
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> starting great, coffee & sunny outside
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> how are you?
[06:41] <EoflaOE> I am doing fine. Sunny outside too
[09:48] <marcoagpinto> Hello!
[11:15] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:17] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj: Hello
[11:19] <BluesKaj> hi marcoagpinto
[11:23] <marcoagpinto> bbiab
[13:44] <EoflaOE> Hello marcoagpinto
[13:45] <marcoagpinto> hey
[13:45] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:45] <marcoagpinto> EoflaOE!
[13:45] <EoflaOE> How are you marcoagpinto?
[13:46] <marcoagpinto> I can't answer
[13:46] <marcoagpinto> and you?
[13:46] <EoflaOE> I am doing fine.
[15:03] <marcoagpinto> is anyone there?!
[15:17] <ducasse> there usually is
[15:19] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:19] <marcoagpinto> I am feeling lonely
[15:19] <marcoagpinto> :)
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: congrats with your remaining council
[16:56] <marcoagpinto> EoflaOE: are you there?
[16:56] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[16:56] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: Yes, but school is tomorrow so can't talk much now.
[16:56] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhh
[16:56] <marcoagpinto> oki
[16:56] <marcoagpinto> :)
[17:19] <hggdh> lordievader: thank you
[17:19] <hggdh> erm... sorry, was for lotus
[17:23] <EoflaOE> hello hggdh
[17:33] <hggdh> EoflaOE: good afternoon :-)
[17:34] <EoflaOE> hggdh: Good afternoon to you too


[15:39] <Caspy7> it may already be on the radar here, but I see no log... LP: #1780793
[15:39] <Caspy7> oh, no bot
[15:39] <Caspy7> Launchpad bug 1780793 in firefox (Ubuntu) "All extensions disabled in Firefox 62.0b6 on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1780793
[15:40] <Caspy7> see also mozilla's bug https://bugzil.la/1474255 — UNCONFIRMED<EMAIL_ADDRESS>— All extensions disabled in Firefox 62.0b6 on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS


[19:13] <xibliophilist> so there are only bots here?
[19:13] <xibliophilist>   ! lsit
[19:13] <xibliophilist> !list