[09:57] <ebel> Hello from the Ubuntu Ireland (Dublin) Jam
[09:57] <ebel> In TOGF
[09:57] <ebel> * TOG
[10:23] <airurando> good morning ubuntuie
[10:24] <airurando> have a great UGJ day
[10:24] <airurando> ebel is just setting up stuff in TOG.
[10:29] <infoturtle> hey all
[10:30] <ebel> yo yo
[10:31] <infoturtle> just getting set up, problem with keys this morning
[10:33] <ebel> hehehe
[10:33]  * ebel has found a web cam, let's see if it works
[10:35] <infoturtle> bring it on
[10:48] <airurando> are you alone infoturtle?
[10:49] <infoturtle> ha ha
[10:49] <infoturtle> sure am
[10:49] <infoturtle> I'm sure some more will come later
[10:57] <mokmeister> hey infoturtle! Getting ready to leave now, way behind with getting kids organised and stuff, will be in by twelve methinks!
[10:58] <infoturtle> egg salad mokmeister, you'll have to ring me to get in tho, my numbers on the door
[11:01] <infoturtle> ebel any luck with that web cam?
[11:01] <ebel> sorta, forgot linux was a pain with flash :P
[11:41] <ebel> bah
[11:42] <ebel> silly webcam
[11:42] <ebel> if anyone knows how to do streaming on linux, let me know
[11:44] <infoturtle> I do but its an awkward set up, involves using desktop streaming as output to ustream or a site like that
[11:47] <ebel> yeah...
[11:47] <ebel> i was looking at ustream
[11:47] <ebel> but couldn't get it detecting the camera
[11:50] <infoturtle> neither could I ever, try using cheese webcam booth, it picks up nearly every web cam, then use recordmydesktop 9http://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/downloads.php) to put the desktop recording as an output the ustream understand, it's pointlessly long but works
[11:50] <ebel> ah like a loop...
[11:50] <infoturtle> indeed
[11:51] <ebel> i've used recordmydesktop before to make videos, didn't think about making it streaming...
[11:51] <ebel> i've used recordmydesktop before to make videos, didn't think about making it streaming...
[11:51] <infoturtle> it's actually the only way I've ever been able to stream
[11:51] <infoturtle> in linux anyway
[12:30] <infoturtle> friends have come!
[12:33] <airurando> cool
[13:14] <airurando> UGJ Dublin are going to lunch
[14:50] <infoturtle> I have a silly question, after I find a bug I wish to work on where can I find the code to work on?
[14:51] <ebel> You can get the source code for any ubuntu package with "apt-get source PACKAGENAME"
[14:51] <ebel> you may also want to do "sudo apt-get builddep PACKAGENAME" which will install all the extra packages you need in order to rebuild/compile/test a package
[14:52] <infoturtle> ok, then I need to find what package this bug refers to as it seems not to be listed
[14:52] <infoturtle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/ubiquity/+bug/651932
[14:53] <ebel> Well assiging a bug to a package is a good thing to do.
[14:54] <ebel> Looks like that bug is assigned to ubiquity
[14:54] <ebel> You can tell from the bot's reply here.
[14:55] <infoturtle> ah, ha ha, thats class
[14:55] <infoturtle> to ubiquity!!
[14:57] <ebel> :)
[15:01] <sheena> Hi
[15:02] <ebel> hi sheena
[15:02] <infoturtle> well done Sheena, you finally got in!
[15:02] <sheena> haha, cheers!
[15:21] <airurando> ping infoturtle
[15:36] <infoturtle> ping airurando
[15:36] <infoturtle> was letting more people in
[15:40] <infoturtle> hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm, I've no idea what to do with this source.....
[15:40] <infoturtle> this isn't a good day
[15:40] <ebel> ah
[15:40] <ebel> well if you can patch it, you could submit the patch
[15:41] <ebel> sometimes it can be difficult to try to figure out what's going on...
[15:41] <infoturtle> it sure can
[15:41] <infoturtle> I kinda know what i want to do but don't know where to find the checks
[15:42] <ebel> don't forget to take photos of your event! :P
[15:43] <airurando> infoturtle do as ebel says :)
[15:43] <infoturtle> ha ha
[15:44] <infoturtle> I just took a load cos I can't find anything thing else usful to do
[15:44] <infoturtle> also proof we have two girls here
[15:45] <sheena> lol
[15:49] <ebel> all people regardless of gender are welcome.
[16:26] <infoturtle> hows the dublin end of things going?
[16:26] <infoturtle> Ubuntu bug free yet?
[16:48] <airurando> nearly.
[16:49] <infoturtle> I've tried two bugs and fix none
[16:59] <airurando> infoturtle: did you run system testing?
[17:00] <airurando> the more people that system testing the better
[17:00] <airurando> only you can test your hardware
[17:10] <airurando> infoturtle ping
[17:11] <infoturtle> sup airurando
[18:33] <tdr112> how is the bug jams going
[18:36] <ebel> good
[18:36]  * ebel is just leaving now
[18:37] <ebel> BBL for socal
[19:47] <czajkowski> Aloha
[21:43] <airurando> evening
[22:50] <airurando> hi micflan
[22:52]  * micflan waves
[23:03] <airurando> micflan: I haven't seen you in here before.
[23:04] <airurando> not saying you wern't in here before :)
[23:06] <micflan> I wandered in yesterday :)
[23:07] <airurando> nice to meet you!
[23:08] <micflan> thanks, you too
[23:08] <airurando> you involved with the ubuntu project in any way?
[23:08] <micflan> no, just a user
[23:08] <airurando> ditto
[23:09] <micflan> I'm a php developer
[23:09] <micflan> mostly php anyway
[23:09] <airurando> ah. I'm just a home user.
[23:09] <micflan> cool
[23:10] <airurando> micflan: what part of the country are you in?
[23:10] <micflan> Dublin
[23:10] <airurando> or country :)
[23:10] <airurando> cool
[23:11] <micflan> yourself?
[23:11] <airurando> kildare
[23:11] <airurando> but I hook up with the Dub crew
[23:12] <airurando> we had a Ubuntu Global Jam event today in TOG
[23:12] <micflan> last thursday of every month?
[23:12] <micflan> oh, cool
[23:12] <airurando> nah last Thursday is Limerick
[23:13] <airurando> last wednesday is Dublin :)
[23:14] <airurando> probably be last thursday in Dublin this month as Thurs 28th is Nattys release date!
[23:14] <airurando> no point in having Ubuntu Hour on Wednesday 27th and then a release party on Thursday 28th
[23:15] <micflan> cool, might head along to that
[23:15] <airurando> to clarify, thursday 28th is the current likely date for the release party
[23:15] <airurando> you heard it here first :)
[23:16] <airurando> and you would be most welcome at the party
[23:16] <micflan> cool :)
[23:16] <micflan> have you been using Unity yet?
[23:17] <airurando> stay tuned to www.ubuntu-ie.org and loco.ubuntu.com for details.
[23:17] <airurando> Unity.... yip
[23:17] <micflan> bit apprehensive about the change in desktop
[23:17] <airurando> loaded 11.04 beta 1 on Thursday
[23:18] <airurando> apprehensive.... you and me both
[23:18] <micflan> yeah, I downloaded that last night. Going to put it in a virtualbox, just haven't gotten around to it yet
[23:18] <airurando> still I'm trying it to help out
[23:18] <airurando> bugs and stuff
[23:18] <micflan> yeah
[23:19] <airurando> hope they get it right by 12.04 LTS :)
[23:19] <micflan> it's won't be right for 11.04 then? :)
[23:19] <airurando> can't say.
[23:20] <airurando> I'm sure there will be some issues
[23:20] <airurando> as a home user I believe in the importance of the LTS releases.
[23:21] <airurando> php developers and others such as yourself can happily use the 6 monthly iterations
[23:21] <micflan> sure
[23:22] <micflan> I just can't resist playing with the new toys :)
[23:22] <micflan> but at the same time, I definitely need something that *works*
[23:24] <airurando> well I must say based on my very limited exposure to 11.04 I'm impressed so far.
[23:25] <airurando> you can see some of the Dublin based crew at:
[23:25] <airurando> http://pix.ie/ubuntuie/album/406258
[23:26] <airurando> not great pics but they are 3 very active members of the LoCo.
[23:26] <micflan> cool
[23:26] <airurando> thankfully you don't get to look at my mug in that selection as I was the bad photographer :)
[23:27] <micflan> :)
[23:27] <airurando> the guy holding up the mug of coffee is the ubuntu ireland LoCo point of contact.
[23:28] <airurando> Rory McCann or ebel on IRC.
[23:28] <airurando> lalonde on twitter I believe
[23:28] <airurando> Julie and Tom are the other two
[23:31] <micflan> cool, will give him an aul follow on twitter anyway
[23:32] <micflan> I'm micflan pretty much anywhere online btw. twitter.com/micflan delicious.com/micflan micflan.com etc :)
[23:33] <airurando> will certainly add you to my follow list
[23:33] <airurando> I'm (as seen here) airurando.
[23:38] <airurando> micflan: I am your 470th twitter follower.
[23:38] <micflan> :)
[23:38] <airurando> don't use delicious I'm afraid.
[23:39] <airurando> real nice talking to you and I do hope to meet you in person soon. :)
[23:39] <micflan> no worries... I don't use the social side of it at all really. Just somewhere I store bookmarks
[23:40] <airurando> do keep up to speed with events on ubuntu-ie.org and our team page on loco.ubuntu.com
[23:41] <micflan> yeah, will do, cheers. And I'm sure I'll idle in here too most of the time, now that I'm aware of it :)
[23:42] <airurando> great stuff.
[23:42] <airurando> not a busy channel but definitely a friendly one :)


[11:30] <|lostbyte|> uniq, just keeping it clean.
[11:30] <clinckarts> Now I'm installing updates I found
[11:31] <|lostbyte|> arso, also did you create the /mnt/hdb5 and /mnt/hdb6 dir..
[11:31] <|lostbyte|> cause you need them..
[11:31] <arso> umm donno, hold on i;l check
[11:31] <|lostbyte|> arso, also remove nouser.
[11:31] <arso> ok
[11:31] <franz_> it says " your saved session type "01KDE" is not valid anymore. Please select a new one, utherwise "default" will be used
[11:32] <uniq> |lostbyte|: what is his problem?
[11:32] <arso> where is nouser?
[11:32] <clinckarts> The error still open
[11:32] <clinckarts> eclipse:
[11:32] <clinckarts>  Dpend: eclipse-jdt mais ne doit pas tre install
[11:32] <clinckarts>  Dpend: eclipse-pde mais ne doit pas tre install
[11:32] <clinckarts>  Dpend: eclipse-source mais ne doit pas tre install
[11:32] <|lostbyte|> arso, soory ! thought you had..
[11:32] <arso> lol k
[11:32] <|lostbyte|> uniq, he cant mount.. as far as i can see..
[11:33] <|lostbyte|> uniq, i was'nt following it from start..
[11:33] <uniq> |lostbyte|: ok, me neither.
[11:33] <uniq> arso: what is your problem?
[11:33] <DaSkreech> He wants to have his drives automount at start
[11:33] <arso> uniq:  umm, my partitions dont auto load on startup, but now after DaSkreech helped me with fstab two out of three can
[11:33] <|lostbyte|> arso, have you made the changes ?
[11:33] <arso> yes
[11:34] <arso> and i do have hdb5/6 dir
[11:34] <uniq> you want to automount as your user?
[11:34] <|lostbyte|> arso, create them..
[11:34] <gatekeeper> eveyone is in on the act :-) :-)
[11:34] <clinckarts> Do I need to reboot?
[11:34] <arso> :D
[11:34] <uniq> I can see that you have 'noauto' so that would explain why it doesn't automount.
[11:34] <arso> |lostbyte|:  i HAVE them
[11:34] <arso> umm where?
[11:34] <arso> in fstab?
[11:34] <uniq> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16872
[11:34] <|lostbyte|> arso, ok ! now type ------> sudo mount /mnt/hdb5
[11:34] <uniq> line 9,10,11
[11:35] <arso> people this is how my fstab currently is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16876
[11:35] <|lostbyte|> sudo is optional.. as you added the users option..
[11:35] <gatekeeper> uniq: look at line 6
[11:35] <arso> |lostbyte|:  already mounted
[11:35] <Tommy2k4> how to force remove a directory?
[11:35] <uniq> gatekeeper: yes.. swap.
[11:36] <|lostbyte|> arso, ok ! umount it and try again..
[11:36] <arso> sudo unmount /mnt/hdb5 ?
[11:36] <|lostbyte|> arso, if that works.. it will surly automount in the start..
[11:36] <|lostbyte|> arso, yup !
[11:36] <|lostbyte|> umount*
[11:36] <arso> ya
[11:36] <arso> i noticed, it didnt work
[11:36] <|lostbyte|> any errors ?
[11:37] <arso> no
[11:37] <arso> no errors
[11:37] <uniq> arso: what drives is it you have problems automounting at startup? hdb5, hdd6 and hdb6?
[11:37] <gatekeeper> uniq: not sure if it is as he is trying to mount the same thing at line 10
[11:37] <|lostbyte|> arso, then it worked.
[11:37] <arso> HDD6
[11:37] <arso> |lostbyte|:  i want it to mount on reboot, does that work now?
[11:37] <uniq> gatekeeper: good point.
[11:38] <arso> uniq:  hdd6
[11:38] <uniq> arso: cat /proc/partitions
[11:38] <|lostbyte|> arso, yes has too.. also remove your last line.. as its repeated..
[11:38] <uniq> arso: please paste the output to the paste-site.
[11:38] <arso> last line where?
[11:38] <clinckarts> Hi, reboot successfully
[11:38] <|lostbyte|> arso, change none to /mnt/hdd6
[11:38] <uniq> ehm..
[11:38] <arso> uniq:  i am pasting now
[11:38] <|lostbyte|> arso, this one --------> /dev/hdd6 /mnt/hdd6 auto defaults,noauto,users 0 0
[11:38] <clinckarts> Another question... How to configure hostname?
[11:39] <uniq> |lostbyte|: changing none to /mnt/hdd6 ? that would break swap.
[11:39] <uniq> arso: also, paste teh output of 'cat /proc/swaps'
[11:39] <gatekeeper> clinckarts: a permanent change to hostname?
[11:39] <arso> uniq:  that IS the one i am pasting
[11:39] <arso> ohhh sory
[11:39] <arso> sure will do
[11:40] <|lostbyte|> uniq, yeah ! dame, my browser was resized..
[11:41] <arso> uniq:  cat/ proc/swaps gets no result, u sure about the command?
[11:41] <arso> that last s?
[11:41] <Tommy2k4> how to force remove a directory using rm
[11:41] <|lostbyte|> arso, its -------->  cat /proc/swaps
[11:42] <|lostbyte|> Tommy2k4, -f
[11:42] <clinckarts> gatekeeper: yes
[11:42] <uniq> arso: i'm sure about the command. It tells me you have no swap partitions available.
[11:42] <arso> oh
[11:42] <arso> no result
[11:42] <arso> from "cat /proc/swaps"
[11:42] <uniq> arso: you can also paste the output of 'fdisk -l'
[11:42] <Tommy2k4> rm: cannot remove `pyshaper-0.1.3': Is a directory
[11:42] <|lostbyte|> arso, sudo fdisk -l | grep swap
[11:42] <arso> omg, i cant believe i didnt notice the swap 'dissapeared' from storage and devices
[11:42] <yanis> how can I change the splash screen?
[11:43] <|lostbyte|> yanis, kcontrol
[11:43] <Cornellius> yanis: Where you enter the username ?
[11:43] <Cornellius> yanis: Yes, kcontrol
[11:43] <arso> sudo fdisk -l | grep swap
[11:43] <arso> /dev/hdd5            1022        1181     1285168+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[11:43] <arso> i DO have a swap then/>
[11:44] <|lostbyte|> arso, yup !
[11:44] <yanis> hah
[11:44] <jerry> Can someone help me?
[11:44] <|lostbyte|> and its on hdd5 so your fstab is wronge.
[11:44] <yanis> why isn't visible in the system settings?
[11:44] <|lostbyte|> go and rename it to hdd5
[11:44] <arso> guys, can u please fix my fstab, coz it seems all messed up :-(
[11:45] <jerry> Personal Invitation -Krfb Host: <IP_ADDRESS>:0 Password: aVX9-9AX Expiration time: 06/30/2006 3:44:10
[11:45] <murtun> Hey all
[11:45] <murtun> How can i set the sound card for ALSA?
[11:46] <|lostbyte|> arso, 1 - change hdd6 to hdd5
[11:46] <arso> it currently is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16878
[11:46] <yanis> and how can I change the kdm theme?
[11:46] <arso> can u please check for other mistakes?
[11:46] <arso> uniq:  can u please check if there are any other mistakes http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16878 :D
[11:46] <uniq> arso: it's hard for us to know, please change the first hdd6 to hdd5 and check if everything works.
[11:46] <arso> |lostbyte|:  but hdd6 is a different partition, i also need that one to auto boot?
[11:47] <|lostbyte|> arso, do.. swapon /dev/hdd5
[11:47] <|lostbyte|> arso, do.. sudo swapon /dev/hdd5
[11:47] <uniq> have to go eat, girlfriend cooked and all. later.
[11:47] <arso> bye
[11:47] <jerry> sorry :(
[11:47] <DaSkreech> Me too
[11:47] <|lostbyte|> arso, does'nt matter.. linux knows the swap is on it..
[11:47] <arso> omg
[11:47] <arso> but then wat about hdd6, i need that one to auto mount/boot
[11:47] <arso> how are we gonna do that
[11:48] <|lostbyte|> arso, it will.. as its on the last line..
[11:48] <gatekeeper> clinckarts: I think if edit /etc/hosts you will see your old computer name you modify it to the new name and reboot, or you could try system setting -> Network settings press the admin button then change the name, whatever you do be very carefull!
[11:48] <arso> |lostbyte|:  /dev/hdd5 /mnt/hdd6 auto defaults,noauto,users 0 0 from this line, should i change the second hdd6 too, or just the first
[11:49] <clinckarts> gatekeeper: Tks. Will try later... I go to station now. See U. Tks a lot for help
[11:50] <arso> |lostbyte|:  the last line is hdB6 thats a different one , the one that doesnt boot is hdD6,
[11:50] <gatekeeper> clinckarts: you are welcome good luck :-)
[11:51] <|lostbyte|> arso, no.. change hdd6 to hdd5
[11:51] <|lostbyte|> nothing else..
[11:51] <arso> ok
[11:51] <arso> dont taht
[11:51] <arso> and saved
[11:51] <|lostbyte|> arso, and paste your fstab to see ..
[11:51] <arso> ok
[11:51] <gupta> is it possible to append random commads to a file from the terminal?
[11:52] <|lostbyte|> gupta, yeah use ">>"
[11:52] <gupta> like aptitude install something appends to a file
[11:52] <gupta> will >> append the command or the output of it>
[11:52] <gupta> ?
[11:52] <|lostbyte|> gupta, eg:- cat fileend.txt >> file2.txt
[11:52] <crimsun> output
[11:53] <crimsun> >> takes stdout and appends
[11:53] <gupta> i want the command to be entered and get appended
[11:53] <arso> |lostbyte|:    http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16881         btw i was wondering, wat does the "noauto" mean?
[11:53] <gupta> crimsun: So I want something for stdin
[11:53] <crimsun> meaning you want the command to be appended, or meaning you want the command and its output to be appended?
[11:53] <gupta> ?
[11:53] <gupta> the command only
[11:53] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> !mp3
[11:53] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:54] <|lostbyte|> gupta, The filesystem will NOT be automatically mounted at startup,
[11:54] <crimsun> gupta: then just echo the command
[11:54] <|lostbyte|> gupta, you dont need that..
[11:54] <gupta> crimsun: thanks!
[11:54] <crimsun> what's the issue?
[11:55] <arso> |lostbyte|:    http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16881         btw i was wondering, wat does the "noauto" mean?
[11:55] <apokryphos> arso: it won't be auto-mounted
[11:55] <apokryphos> (on bootup)
[11:55] <|lostbyte|> arso, i just said it.. lolz missed <tab> your name..
[11:55] <|lostbyte|> up ^
[11:55] <murtun> How do i set  up which card ALSA uses
[11:56] <arso> |lostbyte|:  so then wont it be mounted by simply making it "auto" ?
[11:56] <|lostbyte|> arso, yes..
[11:56] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> what is the lame library?  for mp3 ,  like liblame-dev or lame-dev or something like that?
[11:56] <arso> |lostbyte|:  so why arent we doing that
[11:57] <|lostbyte|> arso, i told you to remove it..
[11:57] <arso> |lostbyte|:  oh ok, remove it completely, or making it "auto"
[11:57] <|lostbyte|> arso, also you didt rename hdd6 to hdd5 as i said..
[11:57] <arso> i did
[11:57] <arso> its the middle one
[11:58] <|lostbyte|> arso, remove it .. as defaults already calls it.
[11:58] <|lostbyte|> yes !
[11:58] <arso> ok, so iam set now?
[11:58] <|lostbyte|> arso, yup ! yeah..
[11:59] <Tommy2k4> how to force remove a directory using rm?
[11:59] <Tommy2k4> rm: cannot remove `pyshaper-0.1.3': Is a directory
[11:59] <|lostbyte|> Tommy2k4, rm -rf dir/
[11:59] <arso> |lostbyte|:  yay!  thnx for ur help and all, here this is my final current fstab http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16883 , could u please make sure its all good? :D
[12:00] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: rm -rf but use it with extreme caution!
[12:00] <Tommy2k4> why caution?
[12:00] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> what is the lame library?  for mp3 ,  like liblame-dev or lame-dev or something like that?
[12:00] <Tommy2k4> it worked fine :)
[12:01] <|lostbyte|> Tommy2k4, as -f is for force and it wont ask you if you really want to remove it.
[12:01] <icheyne> I have a console based program I want to run at startup - how do i set this up?
[12:01] <icheyne> (I believe it's called a daemon)
[12:01] <Tommy2k4> i was sudo'ing it anyway cos it wouldnt delete
[12:02] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: rm -rf forces the removal without asking any questions.  If you typed the wrong directory you could delete your entire root partition
[12:02] <|lostbyte|> icheyne, what does the program do ?
[12:02] <gatekeeper> Tommy2k4: where there any files in the folder?
[12:02] <icheyne> |lostbyte|: mp3 server :o)
[12:02] <Tommy2k4> no there was an empty subdir that wouldnt delete for some reason
[12:03] <icheyne> |lostbyte|: gnump3d
[12:03] <|lostbyte|> icheyne, huh ! would be best called from /etc/rc.local just call it from there ( last line )
[12:03] <icheyne> ok so I just add it into that config file?
[12:03] <icheyne> cool
[12:04] <icheyne> |lostbyte|: I'll try now
[12:04] <|lostbyte|> icheyne, yeah ! the whole path to the binary..
[12:04] <|lostbyte|> icheyne, its a project file..
[12:04] <|lostbyte|> icheyne, hold on.. i never used that program..
[12:05] <|lostbyte|> icheyne, it may have a script already.. did you check its config file..
[12:05] <icheyne> |lostbyte|: I'll have a look now
[12:05] <icheyne> |lostbyte|: I added it to rc.local anyway
[12:06] <|lostbyte|> icheyne, usually servers / demons are called from /etc/init.d/
[12:06] <eggo> hey can someone point me to a step by step for compiling a kernel?  i keep getting errors and all i have done is download the source for my current kernel and use my existing config .... but still get errors :(
[12:06] <arso> |lostbyte|:  i'll brb to restart, see if all are mounted
[12:06] <|lostbyte|> ok :)
[12:07] <arso> |lostbyte|:  thnx  a lot :)
[12:07] <icheyne> |lostbyte|: so which do I use init.d or rc.local?
[12:07] <arso> |lostbyte|:  btw wat destribution u use
[12:07] <|lostbyte|> arso, thank me after it works..
[12:07] <andrew_> is it possible to setup wine in kubuntu so that the installed programs are available to all users, the way installing FOSS games are avail to everyone?


[12:21] <deadbit> What is the !appeal process?
[12:24] <chu> !appeal
[12:28] <deadbit> Ok. So i'd like to discuss the !ban I received.
[12:30] <chu> I'm listening, but I come into this only reading the logs from #ubuntu just prior to you being banned. And I don't disagree with the ban.
[12:30] <deadbit> I was trying to help a user by giving him direct examples of things to NOT run. I didn't not tell him how to run them, meaning where and how to place the commands. I stated since he's neophyte, he should be leery of other users telling him to run commands blindly.
[12:30] <deadbit> I was trying to help a user by giving him direct examples of things to NOT run. I didn't not tell him how to run them, meaning where and how to place the commands. I stated since he's neophyte, he should be leery of other users telling him to run commands blindly.
[12:30] <chu> You could have just left it at that - don't blindly run commands.
[12:31] <deadbit> well we all learn differently and think differently.
[12:31] <deadbit> I need the support from ubuntu. I have to support the product and there are somethings that are not covered in linux.
[12:31] <deadbit> it's silo knowledge only a ubuntu user would have access too. since the website itself states that this is the official support channel - i have no other way of getting access to the information.
[12:32] <deadbit> applicable knowledge is more precious than theoretical or book knowledge.
[12:34] <deadbit> chu I didn't state; hey run this command or here's a way to run this command you shouldn't run. i gave an example; so he could identify what i was talking about. i have never trolled or been banned in the channel before. it was under good faith - just trying to help. you could have just as equally said - please don't place dangerous commands in the thread even if you are trying to help or we will have to ban you.
[12:37] <deadbit> This is an isolate incident - I don't know what other people have done in this channel. Please don't group me with other people, I'm just trying to be helpful and also learn and ask questions. Now I know that you prefer those items to be left out of the thread and won't place them in the thread. All channels are different - #Linux didn't ban me for the same post. That's to say - each channel chooses to do things differently - I wasn't trolling
[12:37] <deadbit> or trying to cause a disruption.
[12:38] <deadbit> Will you please remove the ban.
[12:39] <chu> But that's my problem, in a sense. In a one-on-one conversation, your explanation was fine - "Look, there's a few commands which are pretty dangerous to run, inquisitive users might be inclined to run them: they are <fork bomb> and <rm>" but in a public channel, with potentially 1000+ inquisitive users.
[12:40] <deadbit> Understood. I understand where you are coming from - your point has been made.
[12:40] <deadbit> I am giving my word - I am a professional that needs access to the support.
[12:41] <deadbit> I'm not a child and these type of action although necessary on a case-by-case process is not warranted at such an extreme.
[12:42] <deadbit> Your point has been made, please allow me access to the channel. I feel belittled, and I feel like i'm groveling - is that what you want?  I am not the operator who set the ban, and ultimately, if I'm not convinced I can't remove it. It just feels to me like you're saying you're only willing to play by the rules when convenient to you in a sense. As a professional, surely you saw problems with what you said? After all, as you alluded to, there have been plenty of others who have maliciously pasted the
[12:54] <chu> commands. I'm not grouping you in there necessarily; actually, when you first joined I checked the logs for you and was reading your case. Initially, I was on your side, because typically there's a policy of kick on first infraction, ban on second, etc. But as you jumped in so defensively, without admitting fault! it just raises my curiosity too much.
[12:55] <deadbit> Whatever man.
[12:56] <deadbit> It just feels like you guys enjoy this too much. Maybe your mad that I said it's powertrip. Maybe other users have stated it - I can definitely see where someone would say it because of how you respond.
[12:57] <chu> I feel you should know you can still access http://askubuntu.com/ https://ubuntuforums.org/ etc
[12:57] <deadbit> Since you can see the logs - you can see that I've never been banned. And I even gave info about going to ##Freenode for finding an appropriate channel.
[12:57] <deadbit> Of course I became infuriated. I was banned right off from a service i required.
[12:59] <deadbit> I never received a notice - like you said "...typically there's a policy of kick on first infraction, ban on second"
[13:00] <chu> That's the reason I initially supported you - it was your first infraction, from what I could see. But as I also said, just the way you have handled it has raised my curiosity enough to not want to make a judgement call.
[13:00] <deadbit> You guys didn't even follow your own policy.... there's never been a first infraction. And what curiosity? I will say - if you see everything as evil. Evil is the only thing you see.
[13:00] <deadbit> Of course I handled it that way - bazhang isn't the most popular op in freenode. And now I can see why!
[13:00] <deadbit> I was BANNED for being helpful!
[13:01] <deadbit> Chu - what if you were at a store and were trying to help someone by getting an item from the top shelf because the person can't reach it. Then you are arrested because you didn't contact a store employee for following company guidelines.
[13:01] <deadbit> Wouldn't you feel that is extreme?
[13:02] <chu> Well, you were banned for pasting a fork bomb and rm command. That's not being helpful.
[13:03] <chu> The fact that you justify it as you being helpful - you claimed you are a professional, and see no problem here? - just makes me question it even more.
[13:03] <deadbit> I'm asking you too look beyond, to see past the fork bomb. The motivation behind that was to be helpful. I'm sorry I don't think like you - I'm not an operator. I'm not seeing little script kiddies everyday that are trying to be disruptive. I'm just an individual that saw someone that could possibly run dangerous commands without knowing it.
[13:05] <deadbit> A forkbomb is dangerous of course! But a new user would want to know what it is.... i can show you the log of a user in #linux that asked that specifically. Why and what a fork bomb was and gave examples of another fork.
[13:05] <deadbit> People can't simply understand constructs and abstract from simply "reading" about them. THat's why in books and educational courses and even ubuntu site, examples are given.
[13:07] <deadbit> Also - you are looking at this situation as me being a dubious individual that tried to disrupt the channel by placing command in the thread and now I'm trying to subvert the issue.
[13:07] <chu> But you didn't explain what it was - you didn't even mention it as a fork bomb - you literally just said <deadbit> jyamihud: be careful of the commands they tell you to run like ":(){ :|: & };:", again. You could have phrased it differently if you had the intention you claim, because the way you did is not trying to explain anything, from what I can tell.
[13:08] <deadbit> I was banned immediately after that!
[13:08] <deadbit> How the hell do you want me to explain anything?
[13:08] <deadbit> Again, goes back to my analogy, helping the customer and being arrested and waiting to see the judge to explain what happened.
[13:09] <deadbit> the cop doesn't care - he's just doing his job, just like hte employee is just doing their job.
[13:09] <deadbit> everyone is "JUST" doing their jobs! it's like hte blind leading the blind.
[13:10] <deadbit> chu - seriously. people think DIFFERENTLY.
[13:11] <deadbit> maybe i'm going about this the wrong way - cause i do need access.
[13:11] <deadbit> chu - i think differently from you and bazhang. you think like operators - you have to be careful of people trying to be disruptive. i'm sorry that i don't think like you.
[13:12] <chu> I know this. In fact, you don't seem to be appreciating what I am trying to say, so I guess this is a perfect example of that. It goes back to what I previously said, that's a fine explanation in a one-on-one situation. But you're in a public forum with thousands of people. They may not be so inclined to wait for your next message where you explain the commands.
[13:12] <deadbit> i don't have your brain.
[13:12] <deadbit> chu - yes i understand that! and i said.... i won't place commands in the thread.
[13:13] <deadbit> i won't jeopardize my access to support because i'm trying to be helpful.
[13:13] <chu> Alright, you're breaking me. Now, I need to know that I can trust giving you my support won't come back and bite me.
[13:14] <deadbit> i'm an adult chu.
[13:14] <chu> Now, I'm assuming you've read the guidelines (as they are linked in the topic of #ubuntu ) but if not, here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines now they don't explicitly mention fork bombs, rm commands, whatever. But they shouldn't have to.
[13:15] <deadbit> which probably doesn't go far - i'm sure there are disruptive adults that need to prove "something" i'm not here to prove anything. i just need support.
[13:16] <deadbit> I appreciate where you are coming from chu. I see what you are saying to me. And you're right they don't explicitly describe forkbombs. had they - i wouldn't have placed it on the thread. I won't place any dangerous and disruptive things in the thread, even if my understanding of it - is to help.
[13:16] <deadbit> I wo'nt do anything to bring shame to your name. you won't lose face for antyhing i do.
[13:17] <deadbit> That is a promise.
[13:17] <chu> Try joining #ubuntu please
[13:18] <deadbit> Thank you.
[13:18] <deadbit> Just try seeing it my way chu. Not everyone thinks alike.
[13:18] <chu> Please don't make me regret the decision. And if you have finished in here, please part.
[13:18] <deadbit> And not all things are motivated by malicious intent.
[13:18] <deadbit> Thank you


[01:00] <micael> can anyone help me?
[08:07] <jaywink> hey all. any way to stop the screen from locking temporarily, from the console etc? need to fill 32gb of music and impossible since it keeps locking. also, the sd card is impossible to remove on the bq, for my clunky hands at least ::(
[08:09] <jaywink> ... never mind, seems the sd card pops out if you press it in firmly :D
[08:20] <dholbach> good morning
[08:55] <vayan> morning ! If I want to buy a SDCard but I don't see the setting in the camera app to change the folder where pictures are taken, there's no way to change ?
[09:37] <ulrichard> if I connect a bluetooth laser keyboard that advertises also as mouse, my phone goes into some kind of tablet mode. Is there a way to prevent that?
[09:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy Fun At Work Day! 😃
[10:01] <zzarr> hello!
[10:02] <zzarr> are there any figures, how many Ubuntu phones sold?
[10:29] <popey> zzarr, you'd have to ask bq/meizu.
[10:30] <zzarr> okey
[10:31] <zzarr> popey, just send the question to there support?
[10:31] <popey> Duno
[10:31] <popey> they're under no obligation to tell you of course
[10:32] <popey> it's possibly commercially sensitive info
[10:32] <popey> so what I'm really doing is palming you off on them because we don't have the data, and I kinda know they won't tell you :)
[10:32] <zzarr> popey, I guess you're right
[10:34] <zzarr> popey, they don't know my reason why and even if I explain that it's just something I wish to know personally they may not believe me
[10:35] <popey> having a reason isn't sufficient for revealing commercially sensitive info usually
[10:35] <popey> to randoms on the internet
[10:35] <popey> you'd get the same answer if you asked how many dell laptops were sold with ubuntu or how many lenovos etc
[10:36] <zzarr> popey, nope you're completely right
[10:36] <zzarr> popey, yea
[10:37] <zzarr> popey, but do Canonical have any public figures?
[10:37] <popey> of what?
[10:37] <zzarr> popey, number of Ubuntu powered phones
[10:37] <popey> This is where we came in
 zzarr, you'd have to ask bq/meizu.
[10:37] <popey> not our data.
[10:38] <Stskeeps> if things are done in the right privacy-aware way canonical won't even know
[10:38] <Stskeeps> ie nothing phoning backe tc
[10:38] <Stskeeps> which is good
[10:38] <zzarr> popey, I know you wrote that, but I thought you meant exact data from bq/meizu
[10:38] <popey> There's data you can infer
[10:38] <popey> from
[10:39] <popey> I personally have no data.
[10:39] <popey> hello Stskeeps
[10:39] <zzarr> okey
[10:39] <Stskeeps> moo popey, coming to FOSDEM?
[10:39] <popey> Sadly not
[10:39] <Stskeeps> ah, shame
[10:39] <popey> Yeah :(
[10:39] <Stskeeps> maybe MWC then :)
[10:39] <popey> Couldn't justify another weekend away in a row
[10:39] <popey> even for fosdem
[10:39] <popey> I'm not pretty enough to be at MWC :)
[10:40] <Stskeeps> a wig can do a lot
[10:40] <Stskeeps> :P
[10:40] <popey> Hair I have.
[10:40] <Stskeeps> hehe
[10:40] <popey> zzarr, the only data I know of is number of core app downloads / users
[10:40] <popey> which isn't super useful.
[10:41] <zzarr> popey, it's something
[10:42] <zzarr> popey, in any way, will you be able to know in the future? (I mean when Ubuntu powered phones goes on sale to the general public)
[10:42] <popey> i expect sales data would be available only above my pay grade
[10:43] <zzarr> popey, tell your boss you need a higher income ;)
[10:43] <zzarr> just kidding
[10:44] <popey> haha
[10:44] <popey> Thing is right now, sales figures aren't important or interesting to us
[10:44] <popey> It's not a thing we're particularly bothered about.
[10:44] <popey> I mean, we like that bq like Ubuntu so much that they're making more devices.
[10:45] <zzarr> it's more based on the fact that it a platform have enough users app makers (big ones) will make/port apps
[10:45] <popey> And our relationship with partners is really good that there's more devices on the horizon
[10:45] <popey> That'll come later
[10:45] <popey> right now, it's a developer phone.
[10:45] <popey> Sure there's people who use it as a daily driver
[10:45] <popey> but we're currently not chasing sales.
[10:45] <V99> Hi! why is private reddit utouch sub?
[10:45] <popey> which sub?
[10:46] <popey> https://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuphone that one V99 ?
[10:46] <zzarr> popey, I have a MX4 (it's my only phone, that's useful)
[10:46] <popey> dunno who made that but the main subreddit is /r/ubuntu
[10:47] <zzarr> I mean, I have a Android phone at home... but it get 5 hours at most in standby time
[10:48] <V99> yeah popey
[10:48] <popey> V99, it's always been private, don't know why
[10:48] <popey> guess it was made and nobody used it
[10:48]  * tathhu s main - and only - phone is E5 :(
[10:48] <tathhu> [*] Jolla :(
[10:48] <popey> I need an E5 for the collection
[10:48] <popey> and need to fix my mx4
[10:49] <popey> sat on it with my fat arse and broke the screen
[10:49] <tathhu> D:
[10:49] <zzarr> popey, :-(
[10:51] <zzarr> popey, do you know if we ever will see the day when MHL works on a MX4? (I suspect we don't will)
[10:52] <popey> No
[10:52] <popey> That can't work
[10:52] <popey> It's not wired up internally.
[10:52] <popey> Same as bq
[10:52] <popey> You might see a miracast type system for streaming over wireless to the display
[10:52] <ogra_> we could just ship some wires and a howto along ;)
[10:52] <popey> but a cable won't work
[10:53] <popey> yeah, soldering iron, wires, glasses
[10:53] <ogra_> "solder here"
[10:54] <tathhu> :D
[10:54] <zzarr> I have a custom built soldering cupboard at home.... but surface soldering is not something one do by hand...
[10:55] <ogra_> zzarr, i wasnt serious ... it isnt wired up inside the SoC ... nothing to solder there
[10:55] <zzarr> do anyone know how the performance would be with Miracast?
[10:56] <zzarr> ogra_, I was just joking too ;-)
[10:56] <ogra_> :)
[10:57] <zzarr> I mean, "open up the phone, solder some" wolla, now it's a brick with display ;-)
[10:58] <tathhu> :P
[10:58] <tathhu> Might swap my LTE-N7 for wifi only so I could have working BT...
[11:33] <stakewinner00> since the last update, music app is more slow when reproducing music, and sometimes stop working.
[11:37] <vayan> God I don't understand the gallery app -_-" I copied all my pictures in it, updated all the filename to match, updated the timestamp, every picture has correct EXIF data and it's still badly sorted.. ;(
[12:04] <robin-hero> hey, I'm on rc-proposed channel with a mako (N4) device, but with yesterday's or today's image the bluetooth doesn't work. I can't enable it with the toogle.
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: is that the 350 update?
[12:09] <robin-hero> lotuspsychje, don't know, I use the bq-aquaris.en channel for mako too, because I need HERE AGPS fix :)
[12:09] <robin-hero> I'm on the 227 right now.
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: not updated device yet?
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: just grabbing 354 on my nexus 7 here
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: maybe try a tail -f /var/log/syslog to see whats going on with bluetooth?
[12:14] <robin-hero> lotuspsychje, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14695145/
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> hmm nothing usefull there
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: how about tail -f /var/log/dmesg
[12:15] <guest345> I cannot create a click target cause
[12:16] <guest345> cannot creat file that a statement shows "ubuntu sdk config.xml of"
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: maybe try a few time toggle/off on while you tail
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: hmm..i got same issue on n7
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: after toggling on, it auto toggles off
[12:19] <robin-hero> Hmm, weird
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: maybe a bug..
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> dont have this on bq
[12:22] <guest345> Can you help me if you can solve a problem
[12:23] <guest345> I cannot create a click target cause it cannot create a file by path /ubuntu-sdk/config.xml
[12:24] <guest345> What does it mean?
[12:29] <robin-hero> lotuspsychje, do you use rc-proposed on Bq?
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: no, the official image from bq 4.5 ubuntu touch
[12:30] <robin-hero> yes, OTA.9 is working well on my Bq too, but on Nexus4 I'm using the rc-proposed channel
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> think im on devel-proposed on n7
[12:31] <andywork> i am running "phablet-config writable-image" to enable read/write on my nexus 4. This returns "PING launchpad.net (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.", whats going on here? The phone is not rebooting
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: maybe we should file a bug
[12:36] <robin-hero> lotuspsychje, Just found it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libhybris/+bug/1539566
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> ah
[12:36] <robin-hero> as I see this is because of the new libhybris
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: how can i see installed image version
[12:39] <robin-hero> under the System Settings/About the phone/System
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> shows only 15.04 r354
[12:40] <robin-hero> yes, sou you are on image #354
[12:40] <robin-hero> *so
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: yeah but to see wich channel
[12:45] <robin-hero> lotuspsychje, in terminal: system-image-cli --info
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: ok im also on rc-proposed tnx
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: but someone told me rc-proposed isnt the best channel for n7
[12:47] <robin-hero> don't know, I don't have an N7
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: well i guess that would count for n4 also
[12:48] <robin-hero> I have been using rc-proposed on my Nexus4 for several month, without serious issues
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: yeah me neither, but still they advised me stable channel if i can recall
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> ive tested alot already, devel, devel-proposed, rc-proposed...
[12:51] <robin-hero> I've edited my /etc/enviroment on my N4, and added "QT_DEVICE_PIXEL_RATIO=2" to it, then restarted my phone. But nothing happened. Any idea?
[12:51] <ogra_> why would that have any effect ?
[12:52] <robin-hero> as I know, yes, it enables the device pixel ratio (hidpi screens) support
[12:52] <ogra_> no, it forces it to 2
[12:52] <robin-hero> see: https://trello.com/c/kqxJmlt5/2631-776-ubuntu-landing-008-qtmir-qtubuntu-saviq-gerboland
[12:53] <ogra_> well, /etc/environment is definitely the wrong place for such stuff
[12:54] <ogra_> you more likely want a snippet in /etc/profile.d or some such
[12:55] <ogra_> Saviq, ^^^ please dont add any more stuff to /etc/enviroment, anything except PATH needs to go from there
[12:55] <ogra_> (assuming you will want that var set once this lands)
[12:55] <tathhu> robin-hero, lotuspsychje https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluetooth-touch/+bug/1502524 maybe related? :ö
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> tathhu: think robin-hero's bug find is more up to date
[12:58] <popey> andywork, not sure why, but phablet-config thinks you want to configure the wifi network when you make the image writable
[12:58] <popey> andywork, it just pings launchpad to confirm the network is up
[12:58] <robin-hero> ogra_, OK, so can I somehow change the resolution of my external screen on N!?
[12:58] <robin-hero> N4
[12:59] <ogra_> robin-hero, no idea, i never used that code ... but hacking that file is the wrong way to set a var
[12:59] <ogra_> (it isd ok temporary for testing, but it should go into /etc/profile.d for an actual landing)
[13:00] <ogra_> (or be exported by an upstart job or whatever)
[13:04] <greyback_> robin-hero: do you mean resolution (slimport is fixed to only output 1080p) or scaling of the UI on the external screen?
[13:04] <andywork> popey: hmm, only for testing i disabled the wifi on the phone and issued the same command again. Now phablet-config is not returning anything until the screen falls asleep, then i get "error: closed" in my terminal
[13:05] <robin-hero> greyback_, yeah, scaling, sorry
[13:05] <greyback_> ogra_: adding that env var to /etc/env only for testing, definitely not or deployment
[13:05] <ogra_> greyback_, awesome, thanks :)
[13:06] <greyback_> robin-hero: ok. Story there is that device pixel ratio and grid unit are similar concepts that we need to work together. I'm in the process of making grid units dynamic, i.e. can change them at runtime per-display.
[13:06] <davmor2> andywork: yes that is because it couldn't ping launchpad to close the app
[13:06] <popey> right
[13:06] <popey> but there's no real reason it should connect to the network when you make the device writable
[13:06] <popey> bug in phablet-config
[13:06] <greyback_> robin-hero: so all I can say is watch this space. And in mean time, all you can do to make external screen not look huge, is to set GRID_UNIT_PX to a smaller value - but then phone UI will look tiny
[13:07] <popey> it assumes you're going to install packages after making it writable
[13:07] <popey> so checks for network so apt works
[13:09] <robin-hero> greyback_, thanks for the cclarifications, will this be ready for OTA-10? can I make this GRID_UNIT_PX somehow dynamic? so It changes if I connect to an external screen, then it changes back if I disconnect from it.
[13:10] <davmor2> lotuspsychje and robin-hero: image 352 for mako and 351 for flo have wroking wifi on flo the hardware doesn't actually register if it is up or not that is a different bug but you can connect devices via bluetoothctl as a work around on flo once connected they work fine
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> davmor2: other channels got working bluetooth?
[13:11] <greyback_> robin-hero: OTA10 would be the goal yes. only by hacking lots of code will you make grid unit dynamic right now
[13:12] <robin-hero> greyback_, Thanks
[13:12] <davmor2> lotuspsychje: no other device do not other channels libhybris landed across the board. Hopefully there will be a fix in Tuesdays image if the dev can fix it Monday
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> davmor2: ok tnx, i dont use bluetooth anyway :p
[14:32] <matv1> I am the only one where my screen blacks out when I make a call since OTA9? Even if I'm not holding i tup to my face - or indeed covering the sensor in any way? most annoying :(
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> matv1: wich device is that
[14:40] <matv1> nexus4
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> matv1: didnt notice this on bq 4.5 yet
[14:40] <matv1> its consistent. even after reboots.
[14:40] <matv1> hmm
[14:40] <matv1> anyone with a nexus4 around? :)
[14:41] <micael> Hi, i just upgrade my bq 4.5 and i can't access my contacts from the SIM card
[14:41] <micael> Can anyone help me?
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> matv1: robin-hero is on n4 rc-proposed
[14:42] <matv1> lotuspsychje thanks
[14:42] <robin-hero> lotuspsychje, yes, but there's no SIM card in my N4 :(
[14:42] <robin-hero> I uses my Bq as my daily phone
[14:43] <matv1> ah I see. np :)
[14:43] <matv1> anyone else? Mako - Nexus4 on Stable OTA 9?
[14:45] <micael> can someone help me?
[14:47] <matv1> micael, i thinks its an already reported bug. Let me check
[14:51] <matv1> micael, does this sound like what you are experiencing? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/address-book-app/+bug/1538951
[14:54] <micael> no, i have the option to import contacts but when i try i receive a error
[14:55] <micael> the error say "error reading the SIM card"
[14:55] <micael> i already try the other slot but it give me the same error
[14:56] <matv1> micael, no sorry. I cannot confirm that. On my Nexus4 it does not give that error.
[14:57] <micael> :(
[14:57] <micael> i'm using a bq 4.5
[14:58] <matv1> Sorry I do not have that phone. It might be worth a new bug report. But check the list if it doesnt already exist
[14:58] <micael> i already report a new bug
[14:59] <matv1> ok thanks! hope it gets sorted soon :)
[14:59] <micael> me too
[15:19] <dobey> micael: what bug #?
[15:35] <micael> dobey https://bugs.launchpad.net/address-book-app/+bug/1539318
[19:24] <muka> Is USB tethering fixed in mako ver26?
[19:26] <davmor2> muka: why usb tether just turn on hotspot
[19:26] <muka> or better yet, hotspot has been activated
[19:26] <muka> hotspot was not working in mako
[19:26] <davmor2> muka: ah wait sorry for mako no I don't think so
[20:53] <taiebot> Hi all. What's the status of devel-proposed channel? might get a sneak peek of what's happening in there and come back to rc-proposed. Is it bootable at the moment?
[20:54] <popey> pretty sure it's still broken
[20:55] <taiebot> popey: thanks will not bother then.
[21:03] <dobey> taiebot: nothing special anyway. any features landing in devel-proposed (xenial) for phone should also be landing in rc-proposed
[21:07] <taiebot> dobey: eagerly trying to see if apps startup could get better in xenial but seems not.
[21:36] <mike00> ciao a tutti
[22:18] <taiebot> Waouh new dekko thanks danchapman!!!
[22:18] <DanChapman> yw :-)
[22:21] <taiebot> danchapman it is beautiful and fluid. I am still unable to search i suppose this is due to me using yahoo account
[22:22] <DanChapman> yeah support for yahoo is not so great i'm afraid. The server has a very limited IMAP implementation. I think when we have support for offline searching we could probably prefer that over a server side search for yahoo accounts


[00:54] <nhaines> I need to have #ubuntu-us-ca registered.
[00:56] <Unit193> nhaines: Mind if I do the initial setup too?
[00:56] <nhaines> Unit193: not at all!  Just let me know any way I can help.  :)
[00:57] <Unit193> nhaines: All yours.
[00:57] <nhaines> Thank you!
[00:57] <nhaines> Unit193: (also, thanks for your swift work dealing with... incidents... today!)
[00:57] <Unit193> Sure thing, nhaines.  And yeeah, well I guess it was coming.
[02:14] <Logan_> Unit193: no such luck with Logan :( Would you be able to cloak me under this nick?
[02:17] <el> is it on your launchpad page?
[02:48] <Unit193> el: Yeah, he was Logan on freenode and my advice was to attempt to speak to Logan first, just in case he gets lucky.
[02:49] <Unit193> Logan_: Done!
[02:49] <Logan_> thank you!
[02:49] <Unit193> Sorry about the nick.
[02:56] <Logan_> haha, I'll live
[03:04] <Bashing-om> Unit193: A samll matter- a grain of sand; but, https://launchpad.net/~bashing-om/ fails to populate latest membership list with Ubuntu cloaked people on Libera. Is this something you can make happen ?
[03:05] <Unit193> Bashing-om: Can you check https://launchpad.net/~bashing-om/+participation ?
[03:05] <Bashing-om> Unit193: doing ^ .
[03:06] <Unit193> Bashing-om: Basically, according to LP you aren't *new* to the team, you're just reactivated in a rather old team.
[03:07] <Bashing-om> Unit193: You are such a fine man - I did check there earlier and was not seen at that time ... all looks good now - thanks :P
[03:07] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[08:51] <xnox> I think we used to have a bot in #ubuntu-kernel that autolinked bug reports to lp with description..... i can't remember which bot it was. Can said bot be please summoned into #ubuntu-kernel?
[08:51] <Unit193> ubot3: join #ubuntu-kernel
[18:20] <leftyfb> Will ubottu be making a comeback anytime soon? There's quite a few helpful !triggers that we no longer have
[18:21] <Unit193> !ping
[18:21] <ubot3> pong!
[18:21] <Unit193> !kubuntu
[18:21] <ubot3> Kubuntu is the Ubuntu flavour using KDE Software and the KDE Plasma Workspaces.  See https://kubuntu.org for more information - For support join  #kubuntu - See also !kde
[18:21] <Unit193> !info firefox
[18:22] <Unit193> !info screen
[18:22] <Unit193> Hrm.
[18:22] <Unit193> LP 321589
[18:22] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 321589 in medibuntu "googlearth crashed" [Medium, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/321589
[18:23] <Unit193> leftyfb: I mean, what's missing except package info right now?
[18:23] <Unit193> (Which is only disabled for this channel, so not really missing.)


[16:29] <Robe> is there an easy/automated way to trigger cross-release builds of already existing packages in ubuntu?
[16:30] <Robe> for example I would need an utopic version of libcurl3 built for trusty
[16:31] <dobey> the "copy packages" feature in launchpad?
[16:33] <Robe> not sure if I can copy arbitrary packages from universe/multiverse
[16:35] <cjwatson> You can.
[16:35] <cjwatson> It's possible from the web UI, but kind of hidden and awkward; but you can use copy-package from lp:ubuntu-archive-tools
[16:37] <cjwatson> (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+copy-packages, search for the package you want to copy, wade through list of PPAs you have upload access to ... personally I'd rather the command-line client any day)
[16:37] <cjwatson> Also backportpackage is a somewhat more specialised tool that may be more appropriate, especially if you want builds for more than one series
[16:38] <cjwatson> It's in the ubuntu-dev-tools package
[16:38] <Robe> backportpackage would allow me to simultaneously copy/build the package for multiple target releases?
[16:38] <cjwatson> It can deal with rebuilding the package with a different version
[16:38] <Robe> gotcha
[16:38] <cjwatson> Which you need if you're going to build it for more than one release
[16:39] <Robe> currently bitten by http://curl.haxx.se/mail/lib-2015-03/0111.html which seems to be unadressed in trusty libcurl3
[16:40] <bdmurray> cjwatson: is there a list of valid characters that would appear in a Launchpad username and PPA?
[16:41] <cjwatson> bdmurray: Both of those are valid_name, which is re.compile(r"^[a-z0-9][a-z0-9\+\.\-]+$")
[16:43] <bdmurray> cjwatson: got it, thanks!
[16:50] <Robe> cjwatson: thanks, awkward is a fitting description :D
[16:52] <cjwatson> +copy-packages is OK for copies between PPAs, but for copies from the primary archive it would really want a rather different design.  Which is pretty much why that page isn't linked from anywhere.
[16:52] <Robe> hope I haven't broken anything
[16:52] <Robe> gah, google redirector broken again
[16:53] <cjwatson> Did you use backportpackage?
[16:53] <Robe> nah, +copy-packages
[16:53] <Robe> just to see if it works
[16:53] <cjwatson> Well, I hope you listened to my caveats :)
[16:53] <Robe> absolutely
[16:53] <Robe> launchpad.net down?
[16:54] <cjwatson> Works from here
[16:54] <Robe> hrm, cdn/proxy then
[16:55] <Robe> what's the way to go install the archive tools?
[16:55] <Robe> just clone the bzr repo?
[16:55] <Robe> +to
[16:58] <cjwatson> bzr branch lp:ubuntu-archive-tools
[16:58] <cjwatson> But like I say, I think you actually want backportpackage for this
[16:59] <cjwatson> Which is in "apt install ubuntu-dev-tools"
[17:01] <Robe> ok
[17:02] <Robe> can you tell me what caused https://launchpadlibrarian.net/210358718/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.curl_7.37.1-1ubuntu3.4_BUILDING.txt.gz to fail?
[17:02] <Robe> seems like it wanted to pull in the librtmp-dev version it was built against in utopic
[17:02] <Robe> despite it being unversioned in the build dependencies
[17:03] <Robe> (debian/control)
[17:05] <dobey> that doesn't look unversioned to me
[17:06] <dobey> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/utopic/curl/utopic-security/view/head:/debian/control
[17:06] <cjwatson> Yeah, that stuff is taken exclusively from debian/control
[17:07] <Robe> GAH
[17:07] <Robe> never mind, had the trusty changes.gz unpacked
[17:07] <Robe> sorry
[17:08] <cjwatson> (Well, actually from the .dsc, but that's built from debian/control)
[17:12] <Robe> does ubuntu-branches offer a code viewer for all packages of all releases?
[17:21] <cjwatson> Robe: Only when it works, which a lot of the time it doesn't.
[17:23] <Robe> cjwatson: haha, fair enough :)
[17:23] <Robe> thanks for your time
[17:25] <cjwatson> Ultimately the plan is to bring up a similar thing in git which is very likely to be more reliable, but that doesn't exist yet.
[17:26] <Robe> *nods*
[17:26] <Robe> with debian I usually click through from tracker.d.o to the respective vcs repo when there's a hint
[17:26] <Robe> was just wondering if there's something similar for ubuntu
[17:45] <chrisccoulson> Is there a known issue with launchpad? I tried to file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide/+filebug, and I've just got the "Uh oh! Something has gone wrong..." page
[17:45] <chrisccoulson> (browsing through bugs before this kept timing out too)
[17:46] <teward> popped up immediately for me...
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> It seems intermittent for me. I've just tried to resubmit my bug, and it worked
[18:24] <bdmurray> I'm getting a 503 error with bazaar.launchpad.net
[18:34] <cjwatson> Robe: Yeah, I'd very much like to have that more consistently, but we're a ways off (ironically)
[18:34] <cjwatson> chrisccoulson,bdmurray: I believe there've been some intra-DC networking problems ...
[18:35] <cjwatson> Prevailing theory seems to be that it's fallout from initial sync of a new cdimage.u.c frontend
[18:39] <chrisccoulson> cjwatson, thanks


[13:55] <DJones> Maybe worth changing unopaste' nick back to unopaste as well
[13:55] <DJones> Was that lag or just because the nick unopaste' wasn't +o as normal
[13:56] <Pici> looks like it isn't identified properly.
[13:56] <Pici> but it has a ubottu shell cloak
[13:56] <Pici> er, I mean its the rea thing.
[13:57] <DJones> I noticed that before, just thought it was normal, has been some splits earlier
[13:57] <Pici> yeah, it caught me.
[14:14]  * tsimpson gets the hammer
[14:19] <IdleOne> if you can't massage it into place, hit it with a hammer.
[14:31] <Pici> I call that percussive maintenance.


[06:36] <Kilos> o/
[08:36] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:36] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos as well
[08:36] <inetpro> hope you have all your sheep counted and all are still healthy :-)
[08:36] <inetpro> at least the sun is out today
[08:36] <Kilos> lol
[08:36] <Kilos> no sun here yet
[10:52] <Kilos> raining in rustenburg


[01:33] <daftykins> so that speaker repair i was chatting to penguin about last night, i put in a wire today for that additional ground...
[01:33] <daftykins> and it solved everything \o/
[01:34] <daftykins> perfect repair now :D
[23:09] <daftykins> NASA thing about to go *thwack* - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RA8Tfa6Sck
[23:17] <zxmpi> *pew* *pew* *pew* has been achieved
[23:18] <daftykins> did that rock say... "welcome" ? ;)
[23:25] <zxmpi> we come in peace *BLAMMO*


[00:46] <Guest57458> hey guys im new to ubuntu and came across the canadian ubuntu team online, anyone have any suggestions on where to begin?


[00:21] <AaronCampbell> On my laptop, post 12.04 update, ctrl+alt+up maximizes a window.  On my desktop it doesn't...instead alt+f10 does.  Holding Super shows this.  What's different?
[00:23] <bazhang> #ubuntu   AaronCampbell
[01:57] <cordoval> my machine crashed on an install
[01:58] <cordoval> now gives me git id unknown or similar
[01:58] <cordoval> on bootup
[01:58] <cordoval> what can i do?
[02:12] <ripps> Is there any way to intergrate Unity's HUD with Gnome3
[02:13] <Daekdroom> Precise support is now at #ubuntu
[02:30] <psusi> is anyone else unable to zsync the final release from releases.ubuntu.com?  my download keeps aborting
[02:33] <Daekdroom> psusi, Precise support is now at #ubuntu
[02:37] <Fyodorovna> psusi, you can zsync the daily they are the same right now
[02:39] <Fyodorovna> psusi, here is the 32 bit live cd.  zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/precise-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[02:40] <psusi> hrm... I've got the 64 bit from the other day, I usually update to the final release from releases.ubuntu.com, but it isn't working for some reason... I guess I'll try the daily-live again if it still matches the release...
[02:41] <holstein> psusi: you can upgrade what you have
[02:41] <holstein> you dont need to download a new iso and reinstall
[02:41] <psusi> I have, I just want to update my iso image to the final release so I can seed it on bittorrent
[02:42] <psusi> it seems like there's something wrong with the release servers though
[02:42] <Daekdroom> Too much traffic is what's wrong.
[02:43] <taxman> i just downloaded 12.04 from the canonical server. no problem
[02:43] <Fyodorovna> psusi, I have all six release on torrent open on deluge right now peers drawing.
[02:43] <taxman> it's smooth like a charm
[02:44] <psusi> taxman, via zsync?
[02:44] <Fyodorovna> no peers that is
[02:44] <taxman> psusi, no, by http
[02:44] <psusi> yea, it seems there is just a problem with zsync
[03:17] <cordoval_> someone help please
[03:18] <cordoval_> my ubuntu upgrade was going smooth until the graphic environment crashed past the starting of the installing process
[03:18] <cordoval_> and i went and reboot it because i did not see anything on screen
[03:18] <cordoval_> now it gives me some message like git id not found or unrecognized or unknown
[03:18] <cordoval_> this does after starting some services
[03:25] <tsimpson> cordoval_: support is now in #ubuntu
[03:26] <cordoval_> oh no
[03:26] <cordoval_> can you help me please?
[03:26] <cordoval_> I am downloading the iso but can it be that it can be fixed without it
[03:26] <cordoval_> just some commands?
[03:26] <cordoval_> please
[03:26] <cordoval_> beg you
[03:26] <tsimpson> just ask in #ubuntu
[06:11] <Bennlucky7> a
[06:35] <marcm> well, I've checked out Ubuntu 12.04 on the server.... what a dissapointment
[06:35] <marcm> seems like Ubuntu pushed this release out the door
[06:39] <rymate1234> marcm, how come?
[06:40] <marcm> rymate1234 it was rushed out the door....
[06:40] <marcm> rymate1234 for example:
[06:40] <marcm> rymate1234 if you install Ubuntu 12.04 under KVM or Xen-HVM and don't uninstall AppArmor during the install you can't properly boot
[06:41] <marcm> rymate1234 then MySQL 5.5 - this is a MySQL release that no serious Enterprise player has touched yet
[06:42] <marcm> rymate1234 Still patching the default PHP with Suhosin, even do Debian has been talking about how bad of an idea this was, and the PHP devs hate Suhosin, not to mention that it's a crap-shoot
[06:42] <marcm> rymate1234 Nginx 1.20 has been released 4 days ago, which is the final version, yet Ubuntu 12.04 shipped with beta 1.19
[06:42] <marcm> rymate1234 Where the hell is Apache 2.4?
[06:43] <marcm> rymate1234 Can't install Grub 1 (aka Grub Legacy) - which is a must if I want to make Xen PV templates
[06:43] <marcm> what can I say, it's ... beta quality
[06:59] <micahg> marcm: Debian Import Freeze was almost 4 months ago, importing anything after that required someone requesting it, Debian hasn't packaged nginx 1.1.20 yet and we have that package unchanged from Debian, apache2.4 came after feature freeze
[07:00] <marcm> micahg It's all good, I'm sure it's a great Desktop release do :)
[07:00] <micahg> marcm: and about apparmor under kvm and xen, if you have a test case, please file a bug
[07:01] <micahg> marcm: it's meant to be a great release all around, unfortunately, the timing of release of some upstream projects was incompatible with being in precise
[07:01] <marcm> micahg I do, and I will
[07:01] <micahg> marcm: thanks
[07:01] <micahg> also, there are plans for a backport of apache2.4 to precise since it won't break any of the 2.2 packages
[07:02] <marcm> micahg it would have been cool to ship Precise with MySQL 5.1 and have 5.5 as a backport
[07:03] <marcm> micahg MySQL 5.5 is harder to tune, not to mention that it's not yet as mature as 5.1
[07:03] <micahg> marcm: mysql 5.1 would probably not be  supportable for 5 years
[07:04] <micahg> and since we seem to be pushing new versions of mysql for security updates lately, as it matures, everyone will benefit ;)
[07:05] <micahg> if you need 5.1, lucid is still supported on the server until 2015
[07:05] <micahg> anyways, this is all offtopic, since this channel is for Quantal support (which no one could probably even install yet :D)
[07:07] <marcm> micahg I have learned the very hard way to balance features and reliability on the server side... in other words, as much as I like to be bleeding edge, I have to abstain... 10.04 LTS will have to do for now
[07:13] <htorque> micahg: not install, but: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/quantal-changes/2012-April/thread.html :-P
[07:17] <micahg> htorque: yes, there were a few uploads :)
[07:27] <marcm> micahg how do you decide when to freeze a debian tree?
[07:30] <micahg> marcm: we have a release schedule :)
[07:31] <marcm> micahg your release schedule is pretty agressive
[07:42] <Edico> hi
[07:42] <Edico> how can I see if I still use a beta version or the final release?
[07:42] <Ian_Corne> if you updated
[07:42] <Ian_Corne> you're running the final release
[08:46] <fishcooker> where can i see the list of bug of PP?
[10:12] <electronics-cat> are we there yet?
[10:16] <snadge> yep.. now its all about 12.04 + 1 :p
[10:17] <electronics-cat> hmm
[10:17] <electronics-cat> is there a beta out for 12.04+1
[10:17] <electronics-cat> i downloaded ubuntu
[10:17] <snadge> i dont even think it exists yet
[10:17] <snadge> need to let the shockwaves from 12.04 settle a bit first
[10:18] <snadge> before diving back into updating and breaking stuff again ;)
[10:18] <electronics-cat> i like shockwaves
[10:18] <electronics-cat> nothing breaks in linux
[10:18] <electronics-cat> ;)
[10:18] <electronics-cat> i need to get new HDD for ubuntu
[10:20] <head_victim> It's usually around UDS that things start kicking for +1
[10:21] <head_victim> Funny though, that I've had a great experience with the +1 on virtualbox until the day before release suddenly whene ver 3d is enabled it freezes within 30 secs of boot with no apparent error. Timing was perfect, now at least I have a good reason to put it on the metal.
[10:24] <electronics-cat> i like vmware
[10:24] <taxman> is time to talk about 12.10?
[10:25] <head_victim> First issue I've had with vb and only installed it on a whim ages ago. Might look into the issue, if I can't fix it in 5 minutes I will probably try vmware
[10:26] <taxman> why not qemu-kvm?
[10:26] <taxman> kvm is the best choice for linux
[10:45] <electronics-cat> gnu plus linux
[10:45] <electronics-cat> :3
[11:07] <frybye> hi - what extension of the command "ps" do I need to get it to list for (e.g.) skype???
[11:08] <frybye> I have of course tried to use    man ps   but it returns far too much info for me to figure out what I need...
[11:08] <BluesKaj> whynot just man skype
[11:09] <frybye> I need the process number for skype in order to be able to kill it?
[11:09] <frybye> when it has hung up...
[11:09] <ajf> Hey uh
[11:09] <ajf> with Additional Drivers
[11:09] <electronics-cat> frybye: just try incremental numbers until you get it
[11:09] <electronics-cat> lol
[11:09] <ajf> do I install FLRX, FGLRX post-release updates, or both?
[11:10] <BluesKaj> frybye, system monitor should have a PID option
[11:10] <MrChrisDruif> frybye; kilall skype ?
[11:11] <frybye> perhaps I am expressing myself badly - there is an extension/  ie  -xyz type ending for command ps which will list all processes for a given application ???
[11:11] <frybye> I am a disabled war veteran with a damaged memory.. I have known the answer to this previously but just can't remember the command right now... jeez
[11:12] <frybye> is it killall skype or really kilall skype?
[11:12] <frybye> ie kil or kill?
[11:13] <BluesKaj> frybye, well , why not just try the system monitor ..btw your memory is probly better than mine . I can't recall the command either
[11:13] <rye> frybye: "pidof skype"?
[11:14] <frybye> BluesKaj: I am not aware of a system monitor in ubuntu?
[11:15] <frybye> rye: you serious?
[11:16] <frybye> rye - sorry - I see now that that really does work - amazing....
[11:16] <frybye> just too easy - well even a bit un-linux like.. heheh
[11:16] <electronics-cat> yeah i never knew of it
[11:17] <frybye> and BluesKaj: so where is this system monitor - how to get it up?
[11:18] <electronics-cat> the ubuntu software centre may have your answer
[11:18] <electronics-cat> if my copy had installed i'd have a look
[11:18] <BluesKaj> frybye, alt+f2 , system monitor
[11:19] <electronics-cat> so thats built into the ubuntus
[11:19] <electronics-cat> i'll have to try it
[11:20] <BluesKaj> it should be installed by default ..I use kde so I"m not sure where it's located in the menu in unity or gnome
[11:23] <frybye> system monitor does not seem to be installed as default - but the sw center has found it...
[11:23] <BluesKaj> odd
[11:24] <frybye> what I have found is ksysguard
[11:24] <frybye> part of KDE base workspace module
[11:27] <rye> frybye: gnome-system-monitor
[11:32] <frybye> rye: thanks pal - thats the one..
[11:35] <frybye> bye for now - thanks all...
[12:04] <BluesKaj> what's the fix for the update manager not showing a release is available? ...getting tired of all the probs with that damm thing not working
[12:04] <Ian_Corne> when I try to ugrade, it wants to remove lzma
[12:28] <astraljava> BluesKaj: It does show Precise for my on my Xubuntu 11.10 box, though, so which release are you on when you try it?
[12:32] <BluesKaj> astraljava, the qusetion wasn't for me, it was for ppl I'm trying to help over at #kubuntu and yofel pointed out that if users want to upgrade to 12.04 they have to set the update manager to normal then update/upgrade in 11.10 first before trying the do-release-upgrade to 12.04
[12:33] <astraljava> BluesKaj: Yeah ok. Well, LTS-to-LTS upgrade path will be supported on the first point release. Other than that, upgrading is possibly only between consecutive releases.
[12:35] <BluesKaj> uhmm...yeah , but there was a bug in the update manager that was preventing the release upgrade , so updating/upgrading before do-release-upgrade fixed the problem
[12:36] <astraljava> BluesKaj: Oh ok.
[12:37] <astraljava> do-release-upgrade downloads necessary stuff for the dist-upgrading to commence, so perhaps there was just a glitch in that toolchain or something.
[12:44] <BluesKaj> this bug was in the update manager , it was showing no releases available when the notifier was set to normal, before any commands where tries afaik
[12:44] <BluesKaj> were tried
[12:48] <Pici> hm.. looks like quantal is already getting new packages.
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Pici, really ?
[12:50] <Pici> gcc | 4:4.6.3-1ubuntu5 |       precise vs. gcc | 4:4.7.0-5ubuntu1 |       quantal
[12:51] <astraljava> BluesKaj: Well... I don't understand it, then. If update-manager has been fixed now, what more fixes are needed, then?
[12:53] <BluesKaj> astraljava, ppl aren't updating /upgrading in 11.10 before they try to upgrade to 12.04
[12:54] <snadge> err.. firefox is out of date already
[12:54] <snadge> wtf :p
[12:55] <snadge> my freebsd install has firefox 12
[12:55] <snadge> and freebsd sucks
[12:55] <astraljava> BluesKaj: Hmm... wonder if it should be recommended in the release notes in the first place.
[12:55] <snadge> how can freebsd have a newer version of firefox than the latest version of ubuntu.. this is a tragedy ;)
[12:56] <micahg> snadge: Firefox 12 was pushed out already :)
[12:56] <snadge> it was?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> astraljava, probly a good idea
[12:56] <micahg> !info firefox
[12:56] <micahg> bah :)
[12:56] <micahg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/
[12:56] <snadge> i know right!?! wtf.. freebsd!?
[12:56] <snadge> its dead already ;)
[12:56] <snadge> netcraft confirmed it centuries ago
[12:57] <snadge> oh 14 hours ago.. wtf.. my mirror hasn't synced yet.. fail ;)
[12:57] <micahg> snadge: no, it's really updated, I pushed it out
[12:57] <snadge> someone ring up internode.. and spank their bottoms
[12:58] <snadge> how can something that was released 14 hours ago.. not be in their mirror yet.. fail
[13:00] <snadge> lucky i have a shell script which switches my repo to the main ones
[13:00] <snadge> so i can get the latest crack fix
[13:01] <snadge> maybe i should help out with the mirroring system.. my bet is its a hodge podge of scripts and based on rsync
[13:02] <snadge> and heavily depends on the amount of fail the repo maintainers feel like failing
[13:02] <yofel> astraljava, BluesKaj: to be precise, it was software-properties-kde that was broken
[13:02] <snadge> particularly with security updates.. these should hit the mirrors the minute they're released
[13:02] <yofel> update-manager is fine, but was using wrong settings due to the bug
[13:02] <BluesKaj> yofel, ok thanks
[13:03] <snadge> lol 30k/sec of archive.ubuntu.com .. *cries*
[13:03] <snadge> maybe this is why the mirror systems are failing :p
[13:04] <snadge> too many crack addicts
[13:04] <glosoli> anyone can remind me a hotkey and scroll combination to change Transparence of current Window ?
[13:04] <snadge> need a better content delivery system
[13:05] <yofel> snadge: actually, the mirroring system is a matter of installing apt-mirror, configuring it, and configuring the http access
[13:05] <snadge> you guys should probably do some consulting with people like akamai and edgecast
[13:06] <snadge> nobody should have access to the main content source
[13:06] <snadge> the mirrors should have unlimited super high speed access to it
[13:06] <snadge> and everyone else should be forced to use mirrors.. and the updates pushed to the mirrors immediately
[13:07] <snadge> problem solved ;)
[13:08] <snadge> also high traffic porn sites know how its done :p
[13:09] <snadge> people are hammering the main servers because a) they're stupid b) the mirrors are stale (probably because of a)
[13:09] <Daekdroom> stale?
[13:10] <snadge> yeah.. well my isps mirror doesnt have firefox 12 yet
[13:10] <snadge> it was released 14 hours ago
[13:10] <Pici> They're hitting the main servers because they never botehred to change the defaults.
[13:10] <snadge> wtf
[13:10] <Daekdroom> I was using the main server.
[13:10] <snadge> so i've switched to the main swerver.. because of that.. and now im getting dialup speeds
[13:10] <snadge> yay ;)
[13:10] <Daekdroom> Until I realized I couldn't install 2,2MiB worth of packages.
[13:11] <Daekdroom> Then I changed to my country's mirror and yay, new Firefox!
[13:11] <snadge> yeah i could probably use au.ubuntu.com
[13:11] <Pici> !mirrorstatus
[13:11] <snadge> but internode (my isp) has free traffic
[13:11] <snadge> so my complaint is probably more accurately directed towards them
[13:12] <snadge> yay there it is
[13:12] <Daekdroom> That page is awesome!
[13:13] <snadge> Internode http ftp rsync 1 Gbps Last update unknown
[13:14] <snadge> luls
[13:14] <snadge> i knew it .. aarnet is the only australian mirror known to be up to date
[13:14] <snadge> and they're a university.. i should dob them in to the government for wasting tax payers money
[13:14] <Daekdroom> There are mirrors that have only 10Mibs :o
[13:14] <Daekdroom> *mbps
[13:15] <snadge> LOL optus is 10mbps
[13:15] <snadge> i remember back in the 90s.. when i had a 10mbit coax network
[13:15] <Daekdroom> There are 7 university mirrors in my country.
[13:15] <snadge> i can imagine thats what optus are using.. maybe a terminator fell off one of the t pieces
[13:15] <Daekdroom> Every single one of them is government-funded and owned.
[13:16] <Daekdroom> It's also interesting that most mirrors have only i386 and amd64
[13:21] <BluesKaj> here , the smaller U's seems to be up to date
[13:21] <BluesKaj> U=University
[13:25] <snadge> better drink some more moonshine
[13:38] <BluesKaj> snadge, watch that liver :)
[13:49] <mneptok> ikonia: at your leisure, sir.
[13:49] <ikonia> oooh there you co
[13:50] <ikonia> guys, we're going to clear down #ubuntu+1 until the 12.10 development cycle gets moving
[13:50] <mneptok> OK folks, the new Ubuntu is out. time to ask you all to leave so we can clean the counters.
[13:51] <BluesKaj> ok , I know when I'm not wanted :)


[20:18] <nabhash> hello : i am trying to use ubuntu 16.04 from a flash-disk (16G)  install went fine ... but when I try to install Nvidia drivers it says disk out of space.  I still have about 7Gb free still on the disk , what suggestions anyone can offer ?
[22:41] <dobey> nabhash: #ubuntu is the support channel