[01:11] <imbrandon> @now
[01:11] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: December 22 2007, 01:11:58 - Next meeting: Kubuntu Developers in 9 hours 48 minutes
[10:58] <Riddell> hi all
[10:58]  * Jucato waves hello
[10:58] <Hobbsee> heya Riddell
[10:58] <Riddell> we'll start in a few minutes with membership then other stuff
[10:58] <smarter> hello
[10:58] <Riddell> but first, one of the items is wallpapers, and I have a selection we can review from the oxygen people
[10:58] <Riddell> but it's not to be given out to the public
[10:58] <Riddell> so if you want to have a look at them please /msg me and I'll give you the URL
[10:58]  * Hobbsee would
[11:00]  * mhb would
[11:00] <Riddell> nobody else?
[11:00] <jpatrick> rouzic isn't around -> skip
[11:00]  * jpatrick would
[11:00] <Hobbsee> how pretty
[11:00] <Jucato> are there pink ponies? :)
[11:00] <Riddell> Good Morning Friends
[11:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: are these in widescreen too?
[11:01] <Riddell> welcome to the Kubuntu Christmas party
[11:01] <Hobbsee> yay, party!
[11:01] <Riddell> Hobbsee: dunno
[11:01] <Riddell> wearing of paper hats from crackers is compulsary
[11:01] <sigma_> lol
[11:01] <Riddell> who do we have from the council?
[11:01] <Riddell> me, Hobbsee, mhb
[11:02] <Riddell> Lure?
[11:02] <mhb> not me, I'm afraid :o)
[11:02] <Lure> Riddell: just joined
[11:02] <Jucato> um... I have to excuse myself... family stuff... sorry to drop out so suddenly. I'll try to catch up later
[11:02] <Riddell> not mhb... yet :)
[11:02] <jpatrick> I'll write the minutes if you'd like
[11:02] <Riddell> nixternal?
[11:02] <Jucato> we seem to be missing the minutes for the past 2 meetings btw...
[11:02] <Jucato> anyway... gone... sorry again...
[11:03] <Riddell> agenda at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[11:03] <Riddell> first up is membership
[11:03] <Riddell> no rouzic?
[11:03] <Riddell> do we have smarter?
[11:03] <smarter> Riddell: yes :)
[11:03] <Riddell> welcome along smarter, could you introduce yourself?
[11:03] <smarter> okay
[11:04]  * Hobbsee curses rotten parents
[11:04] <smarter> I'm a 14 yo, French guy, I'm admin of the french ubuntu forum and a KDE-lover :) Wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GuillaumeMartres
[11:04] <Hobbsee> i'm going to need to belatedly vote on this.  *sigh*
[11:04] <Hobbsee> memberships first would be great.
[11:05] <Riddell> smarter: how long have you been involved?
[11:05] <Lure> smarter: what is the area that you think your contributions are the stronger?
[11:07] <Riddell> is there anyone here to support smarter?
[11:07] <smarter> Riddell: I first used Linux 2,5 years ago I became a moderator on the french forum 1 year ago, admin six months ago and medibuntu packager since yesterday ;)
[11:07] <smarter> Lure: For the moment, bug reporting, but I hope to make cool patches for Kubuntu/KDE in the future
[11:08] <smarter> Riddell: I asked some french MOTU but it looks like they forgot to wake up ;)
[11:08] <Riddell> smarter: why are the packages of amarok and kaffeine different in medibuntu?
[11:09] <smarter> Riddell: amarok is compiled with --enable-mp4v2 and kaffeine with lame support
[11:09] <smarter> but they're based on Kubuntu packages
[11:09] <smarter> and the description clearly state that they are not official Ubuntu packages
[11:09] <Lure> smarter: and afair, they only change build-depends
[11:10] <smarter> Lure: yes, kaffeine build-deps on liblame-dev and amarok on libmp4v2-dev
[11:10] <Lure> smarter: how long are you doing bug triage and are you focusing on particular areas?
[11:11] <smarter> Lure: I started bug triaging recently and I focus mostly on kde, 'cause it's easier for me to try to make patches
[11:11] <Lure> smarter: kde in general or are some packages of particular interest?
[11:12] <smarter> Lure: I started with kdebase
[11:12] <smarter> and kdelibs
[11:12] <Riddell> we always need more of that being done
[11:12] <nixternal> YAY \O/
[11:12] <Lure> smarter: you are a brave man!
[11:12] <nixternal> I can't believe I woke up
[11:12] <Lure> ;-)
[11:12] <Riddell> morning nixternal, any questions for smarter before we vote?
[11:12] <smarter> thanks Lure ;)
[11:12] <Lure> smarter: we really need bug triagers
[11:12] <nixternal> err
[11:12] <nixternal> who is the smarter? :)
[11:13] <Riddell> nixternal: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GuillaumeMartres
[11:13] <nixternal> so many new people :)
[11:14] <nixternal> w/o a doubt his future is definitely bright, considered he was 12 when he started
[11:14] <Jucato> that's a good sign right? (trying to sneak in a line or two before dinner)
[11:14] <Jucato> :)
[11:14] <Riddell> lets vote
[11:15] <Riddell> +1 from me for adding to the francophone cabal and doing the slog of bug triage
[11:15] <Riddell> Lure, nixternal, Hobbsee?
[11:15] <nixternal> that is pretty impressive to me
[11:15] <Lure> I would prefer a bit longer contribution, but based on couple of bugs, comments I have just reviewed I can give a +1
[11:15] <nixternal> +1 - simply amazed at just how accomplished one is at 14
[11:16] <Riddell> congratulations smarter
[11:16] <smarter> huzzah! \o/
[11:16]  * Lure remebers jpatrick being that age when I joined - and he helped me getting into packaging ;-)
[11:16] <Riddell> any other memberships?
[11:16] <nixternal> congrats
[11:16] <Hobbsee> grrr, parents.
[11:16] <smarter> That's a cool christmas present ;)
[11:16]  * Hobbsee quickly reads
[11:16] <jpatrick> Lure: ;)
[11:16] <nixternal> can I go back to bed :)
[11:16] <nixternal> hehe
[11:16] <jpatrick> rouzic's asleep/missing
[11:17] <Lure> smarter: welcome and rock on!
[11:17] <yuriy> congrats smarter
[11:17] <Hobbsee> +1 from me
[11:17] <jpatrick> congrats smarter!
[11:17] <Lutin> smarter: congrats :)
[11:17] <smarter> thanks everyone :)
[11:17] <Riddell> so next is the big item for today, the non LTS change
[11:17] <nixternal> WHAT? NON-LTS? You are kidding right?
[11:18] <nixternal> p
[11:18] <Riddell> discussion of the way that was decided should be left to the canonical members of the tech board, keybuk says he's happy to answer questions
[11:18] <Hobbsee> oh, i thoguht there was a background decision first :P
[11:18] <nixternal> oh ya, the tongue and no eyes
[11:18] <Lure> Riddell: he is not around
[11:18] <Riddell> no, you'd have to catch him at some other time
[11:18] <nixternal> Lure: do you blame him after such a big decision? :)
[11:19] <smarter> does that mean that 8.10 will be a LTS?
[11:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so presumably the question is abotu where to focus our attention - kde3, kde4.
[11:19] <mhb> I would suggest deciding on the further steps we take in order to help Kubuntu the most
[11:19] <Riddell> smarter: no
[11:19] <Hobbsee> smarter: no
[11:19] <Lure> Riddell: I know that Keybuk wears several hats: so in which authority was decision made? Canonical or TB?
[11:19] <Riddell> Lure: LTS is Canonical's decision
[11:20] <smarter> 9.04 then?
[11:20] <Lure> Riddell: and I suspect dapper is first and last LTS for Kubuntu, right?
[11:20] <Riddell> smarter: I can't see us having an LTS out of step with ubuntu
[11:20] <rouzic> hi akk
[11:20] <rouzic> all*
[11:20] <Riddell> Lure: I hope not, I don't think so
[11:20] <Lure> rouzic: will cover your membership later, ok?
[11:20] <nixternal> Riddell: by chance, is there any reasoning that can be publically displayed for this decision?
[11:20] <Hobbsee> nixternal: probably a better question for keybuk
[11:21] <rouzic> lure: :(
[11:21] <Riddell> nixternal: as Hobbsee says
[11:21] <nixternal> roger that
[11:21] <Lure> Riddell: but we will break LTS upgrade chaing, therefore LTS ->LTS upgrade will not be possible anymore
[11:21] <Hobbsee> Lure: apparently there are no support contracts anyway
[11:21] <Lure> Riddell: unless dapper Kubuntu will be supported until next LTS which I doungt
[11:21] <Lure> dounbt even
[11:21] <Lure> doubt even ;-)
[11:21] <Hobbsee> and i'd imagine that we'll vaguely support dapper --> hardy, with metapackages
[11:21] <Hobbsee> but not test overly much
[11:21] <nixternal> Hobbsee: there are, I know a few people and places here with the support contracts
[11:22] <Hobbsee> (as in, default installs to hardy)
[11:22] <Hobbsee> nixternal: kubuntu dapper?
[11:22] <nixternal> actually no
[11:22] <nixternal> no LTS support contracts :)
[11:22] <Lure> Hobbsee: problem is that new users cannot install something today that is LTS supported and be able to upgrade to LTS in future
[11:22] <Hobbsee> nixternal: right, yes, those are the ones that we care about for the purposes of this discussion
[11:22] <mhb> well I think we're settled on that we will do 2 Kubuntu CDs, one with KDE3 as default desktop and the other one would be a KDE4-KDE3 mix, I guess.
[11:22] <Flannel> So, we only care about paying customers now?
[11:23] <nixternal> unfortunately so
[11:23] <Hobbsee> Lure: this is true, but that debate is for the tb, not general kubuntu.
[11:23] <Lure> Flannel: I hope not ;-)
[11:23] <Riddell> unfortunatly making a KDE 4 CD is blocked on the seeds being rejigged so we don't have a clear idea of what packages would be on it
[11:23] <Riddell> but as mhb we should have both a KDE 3 CD and KDE 4 CD, and the question is the status of each
[11:23] <Hobbsee> Lure: it would, of course, be nice to have a reasonably working upgrade, if a community member wanted to work on it somewhat
[11:23] <yuriy> Flannel: well LTS = long term support = paying customers. i don't see why anybody else would care about the LTS moniker
[11:23] <Flannel> Lure: You'll still be able to install Hardy and upgrade to the next LTS, you just may have to do the upgrade as a GUI-less upgrade, and then convert back to Kubuntu
[11:23] <nixternal> I don't see why 3.5 release couldn't be LTS
[11:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: mvo says he's making sure upgrade works, but the Kubuntu upgrade tool will be missing
[11:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal: because canonical has decided.
[11:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right
[11:24] <Lure> yuriy: it is message to the marked and such decision does not help making kubuntu viable alternative
[11:24] <Flannel> yuriy: There are plenty of people, myself included, that are still on Dapper and not paying customers, because we prefer stability.
[11:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: probably safer, seeing as how it usually does
[11:24] <Lure> yuriy: and I am the first one to agree that Canonical can drop it
[11:24] <Hobbsee> Flannel: then i'd suggest helping out checking that it works, to upgrade it.
[11:24] <Lure> yuriy: just that they should do well though decision first and discuss other aspects with community
[11:25] <Hobbsee> regardless, we're bikeshedding, and wasting valuable time
[11:25] <mhb> indeed
[11:25] <Riddell> of course if someone else or a company wants to get the upgrader running and tested in it's meny different combinations that's entirely welcome, although slow and boring work
[11:25] <Riddell> so, I have a proposal
[11:25] <Riddell> ...
[11:26] <nixternal> drum roll...
[11:26] <cheguevara> :P
[11:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: shoot
[11:26] <Riddell> we keep the KDE 3 CD as the commercially supported (18 months) and based on the kubuntu-desktop seed, and the one that 7.10 upgrades to...
[11:26] <Riddell> but we big up the KDE 4 CD as being the interesting and exciting one, we put it on release.u.c, have it on shipit and generally make it the focus of our messaging
[11:27] <nixternal> +1
[11:27] <mhb> +1 from me
[11:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: if we're allowed to do that, +25.
[11:27] <cheguevara> +1
[11:27] <Riddell> it would be community supported, so 6 months only
[11:27] <jpatrick> +1
[11:27] <mhb> the only problematic part is whether they'll allow us to do that
[11:27] <Riddell> but it would be the main Kubuntu CD for non-commercial users
[11:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that's reasonable enough.  it's not like montreal would know kde4 stuff anyway - nor that they'd be writing patches
[11:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what do we support upgrades from after hardy, then?
[11:28] <nixternal> Hobbsee: its not like montreal know's 3.5 stuff either
[11:28]  * Lure_ dropped of
[11:28] <Hobbsee> nixternal: true, but they probably know a bit more than that
[11:29]  * Hobbsee grabs a pastebin
[11:29] <Riddell> Lure: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49274/
[11:29]  * Riddell wins
[11:29] <Lure_> Riddell: thanks
[11:29] <mhb> Hobbsee: I'd assume Hardy+1 would have one KDE again, which would both CDs upgrade to
[11:29] <Hobbsee> awww
[11:29]  * Hobbsee blames au connection
[11:29] <Riddell> yes, hardy+1 should be KDE 4
[11:29] <Riddell> supported upgrade path would be from KDE 3 (which is the tricky bit)
[11:29] <Hobbsee> so the kde3 --> kde4 would work
[11:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: not if you really want kde3,4 to be coinstallable, though
[11:30] <Riddell> upgrading from KDE 4 should be fine too since that's comparitavly easy
[11:30] <Hobbsee> if you can just put a global replaces on it...
[11:30] <Hobbsee> er, don't want them to coinstall
[11:30] <Lure_> Riddell: so hardy+1 will still have kde3 in, just not default?
[11:31] <Hobbsee> Lure_: commercial customers would get it by deafult
[11:31] <mhb> Riddell: have you talked with Steve Langasek or anyone else from the Release Team about your plan?
[11:31] <Hobbsee> mhb: he's one of them, i'm another.
[11:31] <Riddell> Lure_: that I'm unsure, how soon we clear kde 3 from the archives, but it's pretty much a question for hardy+1 not now
[11:31] <Lure_> Riddell: agreed
[11:31] <mhb> Hobbsee: I know, but Canonical can block it again, as they do the shipping ...
[11:31]  * Hobbsee can't see why you'd keep kde3 around
[11:31] <mhb> Hobbsee: I wouldn't like that to happen
[11:32] <Hobbsee> mhb: i doubt they would.  they haven't blocked MOTU so far
[11:32] <Riddell> mhb: we can have whatever we like on shipit really, just send them the ISO and tell the marketing person what to put on the cover text
[11:32] <Hobbsee> so i doubt they would this either
[11:32] <Riddell> iRon, vorian: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49274/
[11:33] <Lure_> Hobbsee: because all apps would not have kde4 port yet?
[11:33] <Hobbsee> Lure_: i thought you could run kde3-based stuff in kde4.
[11:33] <Lure_> Hobbsee: right, but we need libs, base...
[11:33] <yuriy> hence why would you get rid of it?
[11:33] <nixternal> you can
[11:33] <Hobbsee> Lure_: right
[11:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49274/
[11:33] <yuriy> i would think kde3 stuff would get demoted to universe though
[11:34] <mhb> Lure_: it may not fit on the CD, we don't know yet.
[11:34] <apachelogger> hi
[11:34] <txwikinger> +1 for the paste
[11:34] <mhb> Lure_: but I guess the sane KDE4 CD would have a KDE4 desktop, some KDE4 apps, and some KDE3 apps (amarok, kaffeine, digikam and so on)
[11:34] <Riddell> mhb: that it would
[11:34] <vorian> Riddell, big +1 :)
[11:34] <Hobbsee> mhb: amarok, etc, has been ported.
[11:34] <Riddell> openoffice, dunno about
[11:35] <apachelogger> +1
[11:35] <Riddell> Hobbsee: not in time for hardy
[11:35] <Lure_> Riddell: I would go with koffice beta
[11:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh, true, yes
[11:35] <jpatrick> couldn't we use koffice?
[11:35] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: amarok2 is unusable
[11:35] <Hobbsee> does it support windows file formats reasonably, though?
[11:35] <Riddell> we could go with koffice but I'd want to ask the koffice devels if they're happy with that
[11:35] <yuriy> you don't think amarok2 and digikam will be ready in time for hardy?
[11:35] <apachelogger> still, since amarok1.4 only depends on kdelibs that's not a biggy
[11:35] <Riddell> anyway, this isn't a good time to discuss the exact apps
[11:36] <yuriy> and kword2 seems quite usable already
[11:36] <Riddell> we need to get the KDE 4 CDs started first, then argue over the finer details
[11:36] <apachelogger> agreed
[11:36] <nixternal> ditto
[11:36] <Riddell> anything else to discusson that, or can we move on?
[11:36] <mhb> Riddell: so when can we expect it to be unblocked?
[11:36] <jpatrick> Riddell: rouzic's around
[11:36] <Riddell> mhb: cjwatson says it's high on his priority, so hopefully soon in the new year
[11:36] <Lure_> Riddell: koffice is expected to be released in April, so beta should be good enough for preview
[11:36] <Lure_> http://wiki.koffice.org/index.php?title=KOffice2/Schedule
[11:37] <rouzic> it's here
[11:37]  * yuriy keeps thinking hardy is 8.06 not 8.04 because of dapper
[11:37] <nixternal> heh
[11:37] <Riddell> rouzic: could you introduce yourself?
[11:37] <yuriy> as in, 2 extra months to get apps in
[11:37]  * Riddell reads https://wiki.kubuntu.org/rouzic
[11:38] <rouzic> riddell: I have been the admin of kubuntu-es.org for the last two years. And now run the xubuntu-es.org and edubuntu-es.org websites
[11:39] <Riddell> rouzic: I notice kubuntu-es.org is still broken, what's happening there?
[11:39] <jpatrick> Riddell: the guys with the DNS don't want to hand it over to us
[11:40] <Riddell> jpatrick: hrm
[11:40] <Riddell> anything I can do to help with that?
[11:40] <jpatrick> he erased his user account (because of lack of activity), and now he doesn't exist for them
[11:40] <Riddell> rouzic: so what's on kubuntu-es.org what it is working?
[11:41] <jpatrick> the site can be accessed from the xubuntu-es and edubuntu-es.org since they both use the same DB
[11:42] <jpatrick> s/both/all three
[11:42] <Riddell> and which is rouzic here? https://edge.launchpad.net/~rouzic :)
[11:42] <Riddell> anyone here to support rouzic?  jpatrick presumably?
[11:42] <nixternal> the one with long hair :)
[11:42] <apachelogger> lol
[11:43] <rouzic> riddell: I have to right a fax to the DNS guys
[11:43] <rouzic> riddell: i'm the boy, left on the photo
[11:43] <Lure_> rouzic: any other community member that you worked with?
[11:43] <apachelogger> better visit him personally ;-)
[11:43] <jpatrick> Riddell: well he has been working on the site for two years :)
[11:43] <jpatrick> +1 from me
[11:44] <Riddell> rouzic: what is your relationship with ubuntu-es.org ?
[11:44] <Lure_> rouzic: are that also es support channels on irc?
[11:44] <apachelogger> rouzic: any future plans for your contribution to kubuntu?
[11:44] <rouzic> riddell: contact with the administrador's ubuntu-es every day
[11:45] <Lure_> rouzic: that is the other person on the picture? ;-)
[11:45] <rouzic> apachelogger: Translations and bug reports
[11:46] <cheguevara> sorry, have to leave for work, bye
[11:46] <Lure_> rouzic: not much activity in LP though?
[11:46] <Lure_> bye cheguevara
[11:46] <rouzic> apachelogger: #kubuntu-es.org
[11:46] <apachelogger> rouzic: how about representing Kubuntu @ linux events in es?
[11:47] <rouzic> good bye cheguevara
[11:47] <jpatrick> Lure: he rarely comes on irc, but I maintain the #kubuntu-es channel
[11:47]  * LongPointyStick sighs at how her screen only sometimes unlocks
[11:48] <Lure> Riddell: I am fine to give +1 on jpatrick support - LoCo presence is important and can just improve for kubuntu
[11:48] <Lure> rouzic: but you need to fix kubuntu-es.org or replace with some other name ;-)
[11:48] <Riddell> +1 from me too, good luck with that DNS
[11:48]  * Lure wants to see kubuntu theme
[11:49] <Riddell> nixternal awake? Hobbsee?
[11:49] <nixternal> if jpatrick is supporting, I would have to consider -1 :P  but seeing as you all like jpatrick, I guess I will do a +1 :p
[11:49] <nixternal> +1
[11:49] <rouzic> apachelogger: yes ;)
[11:49] <Hobbsee> see LongPointyStick comment
[11:49] <apachelogger> hrrhrr
[11:49] <apachelogger> I love event promo :D
[11:49] <apachelogger> +1 from me
[11:49] <Riddell> ah nixternal, always windind us up like the office joker
[11:50] <Riddell> he'll be doing silly things with the photocopyer next
[11:50] <apachelogger> oioi
[11:50] <Riddell> congratulations and welcome rouzic
[11:50] <apachelogger> congrats rouzic
[11:50] <Lure> rouzic: rock on!
[11:50] <jpatrick> rouzic: bienviendo!
[11:50] <nixternal> hahahaha
[11:50] <Hobbsee> rouzic: -1 from not meeting him in sevilla.
[11:50]  * apachelogger hands out cookies
[11:50] <Riddell> wallpapers is next on the agenda
[11:50] <nixternal> my photocopier is to small to do silly things with
[11:50] <Riddell> everyone have the url?  /msg me if not
[11:50] <jpatrick> Riddell: I don't
[11:50] <nixternal> see /msg
[11:50] <rouzic> riddell: thanks :)
[11:51] <Hobbsee> rouzic: how do you go for ops, etc, in -es?
[11:51] <Riddell> Hobbsee: jpatrick says he's not an irc man
[11:51] <Riddell> and that jpatrick runs #kubuntu-es
[11:51] <Hobbsee> oh.  that's weird, as i've seen him around somewaht :)
[11:51] <Hobbsee> ahhh.  had forgotten that
[11:51] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I have minimumal access, but we both have ops on #kubuntu-es (trying to get the other guy to give more access), I also have ops on #ubuntu-es :p
[11:52] <Hobbsee> right
[11:52] <nixternal> Riddell: are we supposed to take a vote on what we like with the wp's?
[11:52] <Riddell> jpatrick: I can get you whatever access is needed in #kubuntu* channels if a freenode staffer is around
[11:52]  * Hobbsee can too
[11:52] <Riddell> so wallpapers
[11:52] <Riddell> I think the final decision should be taken by kwwii
[11:52] <jpatrick> oh, pretty
[11:52]  * Hobbsee wants occthecodepoet.jpg
[11:52] <Riddell> and it's not limited to the ones here, I just thought since the oxygen team had collected them it would be nice to make use of them
[11:53] <Hobbsee> what's the colour theme for hardy?
[11:53] <Riddell> in my mind a wallpaper should not distract at all and fit in the with colour scheme
[11:53]  * Hobbsee notes that the blue ones don't really do it for her
[11:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: well of course we have both KDE 3 and 4 to consider
[11:53] <Riddell> KDE 3 will be blueish as usual, KDE 4 is a whole new land
[11:53] <mhb> riddell-compliant are not much mhb-compliant here either.
[11:54] <Riddell> the ones in riddell-compliant are the non distracting ones that fit in with KDE 3 in my opinion
[11:54] <nixternal> there are some bubbles i actually like for once in there :)
[11:54] <mhb> the photographic ones tend to be too blurry at higher resolutions
[11:54] <Riddell> of course if you've seen the hoary wallpaper I made, you'll know I'm not always the best at chosing these things
[11:54] <nixternal> I don't like the "KDE 4 Winner" honestly
[11:55] <nixternal> top-left in the riddell-compliant section
[11:55] <Riddell> so once Ken gets back from the US I think we should give him our preferences and he can chose one
[11:55] <mhb> that sounds sensible.
[11:55] <Riddell> '632-img 2760' is my favourite currently
[11:55] <nixternal> does anyone know if he is in the Chicago land area with his folks by chance?
[11:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: mine too
[11:56] <Riddell> nixternal: he hasn't said, but it seems likely
[11:56] <jpatrick> looks fishy
[11:56] <nixternal> that is pretty cool
[11:56] <_StefanS_> Riddell: got an url for that image?
[11:56] <mhb> I like the colour scheme of the Feather wallpaper
[11:56] <nixternal> I will have to try and get in touch with him then since he would be right up the road then
[11:56] <apachelogger> yeah, feather is currently my 2nd fav
[11:57] <apachelogger> though, it might make the whole desktop too darkish
[11:57] <nixternal> my favorite, well it was 282 Colorado Farm, but there are some really nice onces in this list that I haven't seen before
[11:57] <nixternal> I like the fish that Riddell likes, and KDE 4 Wall Ts9 is kind of sharp
[11:57] <Riddell> nixternal: too Windows XP
[11:57] <nixternal> heh
[11:57] <nixternal> but the photo is brilliant :)
[11:57] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I like 479-fresh morning
[11:57] <nixternal> 252 bubbles is kind of neat
[11:57] <Riddell> I'm not much of a fan of photos in general, too distracting
[11:58] <_StefanS_> Riddell: your favourite is not in very high quality
[11:58] <mhb> I find the fish too cyan to make a good wallpaper
[11:58]  * LongPointyStick curses compiz
[11:58] <mhb> also it suffers from the "blur at high resolution"
[11:58] <mhb> which is why I don't make photos anymore :o)
[11:59] <nixternal> hehe
[11:59] <nixternal> 160-The Wall is kind of neat
[11:59] <nixternal> OMG
[11:59] <mhb> what I don't like on the Feather is the feather
[11:59] <nixternal> 282 Lake Dillon is beautiful
[11:59]  * txwikinger likes the Colorado Farm too
[11:59] <apachelogger> mhb: replace it with the logo
[11:59] <mhb> but I assume the wallpaper is SVG, so that could be changed if the author agrees
[11:59] <Hobbsee> ah yes, the colorado farm is *nice*
[11:59] <apachelogger> replace the text with Kubuntu
[12:00] <mhb> apachelogger: we don't really like branded wallpapers
[12:00]  * Hobbsee still likes the autumn leaf.
[12:00] <mhb> that's the policy.
[12:00] <apachelogger> mhb: but it looks best :P
[12:01] <Riddell> so last item on the agenda is a related item
[12:01] <nixternal> Hobbsee: autumn leaf == img 3101?
[12:01] <_StefanS_> hmm the only wallpapers that present nicely in highres is the *oxygen* ones (in riddell-compliant)
[12:02] <Riddell> the artwork team want someone to represent Kubuntu
[12:02] <mhb> _StefanS_: the Feather doesn't? :o)
[12:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal: erm, no, occthecodepoet.jpg
[12:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal: below TheClouds
[12:02] <_StefanS_> mhb: in riddell-compliant
[12:02] <mhb> _StefanS_: ah
[12:02] <mhb> _StefanS_: right
[12:02] <nixternal> oh ya, that is a nice one too
[12:03]  * Hobbsee wonders why it seems that bright desktops seem more distracting than photos
[12:03] <apachelogger> my favs: oxygen, 632 and feather
[12:03] <_StefanS_> mhb: I guess thats the ones we have to choose from
[12:03] <Riddell> any volunteers to represent Kubuntu on the artwork team?
[12:03] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: ooh, yeah.  oxygen is nice
[12:03]  * mhb reads
[12:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i will, if i can get my favorite artwork in :P
[12:04] <nixternal> Riddell: do we have to be good at doing graphics?
[12:04] <Hobbsee> feather.  oh, shudder.
[12:04] <Riddell> nixternal: no I don't think so
[12:04] <nixternal> what all is involved, any ideas?
[12:04] <apachelogger> well, one should have an idea of what is going on in kubuntu artwork I guess ;-)
[12:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: that should be easy
[12:04]  * nixternal would think Ken would represent us :)
[12:04] <_StefanS_> anyone liking those nature photos should definitely check out vplants on deviantart.com
[12:04] <apachelogger> nixternal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
[12:04] <Riddell> ken is kindae busy representing everything artwork
[12:05] <apachelogger> pd: List of representative duties:
[12:05] <Riddell> * Be active in the IRC channel
[12:05] <Riddell> * Be active in list
[12:05] <Riddell> * Attend meetings (wherever posible)
[12:05] <nixternal> ahh, I didn't pay attention to that email thing
[12:05] <apachelogger> * Familarity with the structure of their distribution
[12:05] <mhb> nixternal: we need someone kubuntu-biased :o)
[12:05] <nixternal> umm, I don't see artwork, I see derivative team
[12:05]  * Hobbsee wonders where to get the panorama one at higher resolution
[12:05] <apachelogger> nixternal: Subject: Re: Ubuntu Artwork Team
[12:06] <nixternal> ya, but nothing in that email is about artwork
[12:06] <nixternal> Riddell: I was apart of the whole derivatives thing, and never seen much work, so I recently departed from it
[12:07] <Riddell> well if nobody wants to do it, that's ok
[12:07] <Riddell> any other business?
[12:07] <mhb> well I can hang around -artwork if that's it
[12:07] <nixternal> but that team has nothing to do with artwork
[12:07] <nixternal> don't let the subject fool ya :)
[12:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe call for someone on -devel?
[12:08] <mhb> well they have ideas
[12:08] <nixternal> this is an "Ubuntu Derivatives" team for helping distros based off of Ubuntu
[12:08] <steveire> was oxygen1 decided on?
[12:08] <Hobbsee> nixternal: that's what i thought....
[12:08] <apachelogger> steveire: we decided nothing :P
[12:08] <apachelogger> we are just not in a decideful mood I guess
[12:08] <steveire> Ah right. It's a nice one though.
[12:08] <Hobbsee> steveire: uh, no?
[12:09] <nixternal> Riddell: I will work with the Derivatives team
[12:09]  * Hobbsee notes you should all use her old background, for something a bit disturbing :P
[12:10] <Riddell> ok, I think we're done
[12:10] <Riddell> thanks nixternal
[12:10] <nixternal> hahaha, if it is anything like your MySpace page, then heck no!
[12:10] <Riddell> no snogging under the mistletoe
[12:10] <nixternal> no problem
[12:10] <nixternal> damn Riddell, just ruin my Holiday why don't ya :)
[12:10] <apachelogger> -.-
[12:10] <apachelogger> meh
[12:10]  * nixternal returns the 30 pounds of mistletoe
[12:10] <Riddell> next meeting would be on wednesday 2nd jan
[12:10] <mhb> that's what I wanted to do!
[12:10] <mhb> :o(
[12:10] <nixternal> groovy
[12:10] <Hobbsee> nixternal: they took that down.  but good idea!
[12:10] <mhb> okay, looking forward to it
[12:10] <Riddell> oh ok, you can snog under the mistletoe if you want
[12:11] <nixternal> oh no
[12:11] <apachelogger> -.-
[12:11] <nixternal> I just returned it!
[12:11] <nixternal> haha
[12:11] <apachelogger> meh^2
[12:11] <mhb> see you folks, and merry christmas
[12:11] <toma> nice holidays everyone!
[12:12]  * Hobbsee grumbles.  no holidays yet
[12:12] <apachelogger> nice holidays and merry christmas from the Amarok team :)
[20:27]  * Mitsurugi shit all


[03:07] <ronnoc> valorie: no doubt!
[08:52] <L0uChe> salut tout le monde j'ai un souci avec ma wifi je n'arrive pas a le connecter :/
[08:52] <L0uChe> es'que quelle q'un aurais une solution a m'apporter ?
[08:57] <valorie> !fr | L0uChe
[08:58] <L0uChe> ha sorry :)
[08:58] <L0uChe> thank you
[08:58] <valorie> you are welcome; good luck
[09:47] <nunzio> hello?
[10:09] <dv_> hello
[10:09] <dv_> I want to install the skulpture kde style, but I notice it depends on kwin active
[10:10] <dv_> also, apt-get then decides to uninstall kubuntu-desktop, so I wonder if doing this is a bad idea
[10:36] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:36] <OerHeks> morning BluesKaj
[10:37] <BluesKaj> Hi OerHeks
[14:54] <rcw2> hi
[14:59] <mamat> hi
[15:00] <mamat> hi rcw2
[16:40] <MelRay> clear
[16:42] <posthuman> hey guys i installed xenmanager on ubuntu 12.04  but im running into some  error while syncronising. It says ResponseNotReady  Done .... using  xen-server 6.2
[17:08] <Stu> hey all
[17:08] <Stu> been trying to decide as a noob to linux what distro...kubuntu looks it might make the transition from windows to linux...can i get some thoughts on this
[17:09] <Stu> whoops make it easier
[17:09] <Stu> lol
[17:12] <ikonia> Stu: what information do you actually want ?
[17:12] <Stu> since i am switching from windows to linux...would you recommend this a good distro for a noob such as myself
[17:14] <DarthFrog> Stu:  Yes, for the most part.  You will have learn some new things, as it is different from Windows.  if you can cope with that, welcome to the Light Side of The Force. :-)
[17:14] <Stu> sweet.  i mean is there any command line stuff i need to know
[17:15] <ikonia> Stu: we had this conversation in #ubuntu
[17:15] <ikonia> Stu: it's a personal preference, try using it live and see if you like it
[17:15] <ikonia> if you don't like it, try another to get the feel
[17:15] <Stu> im so confused
[17:15] <Stu> lol
[17:15] <ikonia> not sure what's confusing about this
[17:15] <Stu> i dont know what the hell im doing
[17:15] <ikonia> some people like a distro - others don't
[17:15] <DarthFrog> Stu:  Need to know?  No.  Would like complete control over your machine, yes.
[17:15] <ikonia> try using the distro live as I told you in #ubuntu, see if YOU like it
[17:16] <Stu> okay sorry about the double posting in the chat
[17:16] <ikonia> Stu: you'll get a lot better information if when you ask for advice, you follow the advice, rather than changing channel and asking it again
[17:17] <Stu> ur right...sorry for my ignorance
[17:17] <Stu> good thing i got a stack of dvd's to burn this bad boy and ubuntu too
[17:17] <ikonia> no need to apologise, I don't personally care
[17:17] <ikonia> you can do what you want in terms of use/not use a distro
[17:18] <DarthFrog> Stu:  Ubuntu is probably more newbie-friendly.  Kubuntu is more power user-friendly. :-)  But it's for newbs, too.
[17:18] <ikonia> that's just nonsense
[17:18] <ikonia> kubuntu is not "power user"
[17:18] <ikonia> it's just as welcoming to new users as any other desktop
[17:18] <DarthFrog> ikonia:  I said _more_ power-user friendly
[17:18] <ikonia> and I said "nonsense"
[17:18] <ikonia> it's not "more poweruser" friendly at all
[17:19] <ikonia> it's just a desktop the same as any other
[17:19] <DarthFrog> Then we shall agree to disagree.
[17:19] <ikonia> in what way is it more power user friendly then ?
[17:19] <DarthFrog> I'm _not_ saying it's not for newcomers, not at all.
[17:19] <ikonia> then why did you just say it's more power user friendly
[17:19] <DarthFrog> It doesn't have Unity getting int the way.
[17:19] <ikonia> no, it has kde gettting in the way
[17:19] <ikonia> so please try to at least be realistic
[17:19] <ikonia> if you don't like unity - fine
[17:20] <ikonia> but to say kde is more power user friendly because you don't like unity is just bad
[17:20] <DarthFrog> OK, please drop the topic.
[17:20] <DarthFrog> I don't really care.
[17:20] <Stu> good lord....
[17:20] <ikonia> then please do'nt make stuff up advise people
[17:20] <DarthFrog> You're an op and I'm not.
[17:20] <ikonia> being an op has nothing to do with it
[17:20] <Stu> op?
[17:20] <ikonia> operator of the channel
[17:20] <Stu> kde?  unity?
[17:20] <ikonia> don't worry about it
[17:20] <Stu> lol
[17:20] <Stu> ugh
[17:20] <DarthFrog> Hey, it's my _opinion_.  You don't like it. fine.
[17:21] <ikonia> DarthFrog: you're welcoem to your opinion but you don't seem to be able to back it up at all
[17:21] <DarthFrog> Stu:  This is a tempest in a teapot.  Ignore what ikonia and I are blathering about.
[17:21] <ikonia> other than "its not unity"
[17:21] <DarthFrog> No, you're challenging my opinion and I simply don't care.
[17:22] <ikonia> DarthFrog: then expalin it a little
[17:22] <ikonia> I'm interested
[17:22] <DarthFrog> I've always found KDE to be much more capable than GNOME.
[17:22] <ikonia> how is kde more friendly to power users
[17:22] <DarthFrog> KDE: How can I help you to do what you want to do?  GNOME: I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that.
[17:23] <ikonia> such as ?
[17:23] <DarthFrog> Ease of configuration, for a start.
[17:23] <ikonia> such as ?
[17:24] <DarthFrog> Stu:  Kubuntu is KDE based, Ubuntu is Unity/GNOME based.  These are desktop environments.  Which one you use is totally a matter of personal perference.
[17:25] <Stu> and thats where im confused.  im gonna throw it on a vbox and go from there
[17:26] <DarthFrog> Stu:  Either environment can run the apps from each environment.
[17:27] <Stu> i gotcha....i like the kubuntu it kinda looks like mac sorta kinda
[17:27] <DarthFrog> Actually, I would have said that Unity on Ubuntu is trying to be more like Mac OS.
[17:30] <BluesKaj> yup, KDE is more familiar looking to windows users
[17:31] <DarthFrog> Hi BluesKaj
[17:31] <BluesKaj> hey DarthFrog
[17:33] <Stu> i cant even run this on a virtual machine on windows...tells me that i dont have the correct processor trype
[17:33] <Stu> WTJ
[17:33] <Stu> WTH
[17:34] <DarthFrog> Stu:  You can boot from the CD (either version) and run a LiveCD version.
[17:35] <Stu> yeah was gonna try virtual machine first i didnt want to reboot...was downloading something
[17:38] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, you might be interested in this ppa , it stopped the blanking and fonts probs with OpenGL and raster and it might solve your steam/kwin crashes
[17:38] <BluesKaj> https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/graphics-drivers/
[17:46] <BluesKaj> BBL
[17:56] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj:  Thanks, I'll give it a shot.  I'm installing Steam on WINE right now.
[18:37] <Stu> okay so i messed around with ubuntu thru the live cd
[18:37] <Stu> not bad
[18:38] <Stu> i just dont like how you cant change the view of alot of things
[20:00] <Rijack> how up to date does package for Steam in the ubuntu repo stay compared to valve's? the version convention are totally different so I don't know how to tell
[20:19] <rww> Rijack: it doesn't matter. Steam auto-updates itself into your home folder anyway.
[20:20] <Rijack> thanks
[20:20] <Rijack> downloding now
[20:41] <albert> тест
[21:04] <pietro10> Hi. I played around with some desktop environment sessions, and one of them changed lightdm to use a differnet theme that I can't switch back with KDE - specifically an Ubuntu-like theme with a list of users on the left, that had a purple background at first but changed to an XFCE one after I tried that. How do I change ti back? I tried removing /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf (which wasn't there before) but that didn't work. Thanks.
[21:10] <Snowhog_> pietro10: Do you want to return to using KDM or stick with LightDM?
[21:12] <pietro10> Snowhog_: oh, I wasn't using lightdm before?
[21:12] <pietro10> becuase the KDE system settings theme chooser says lightdm on it, and shows the correc tthemes
[21:13] <pietro10> and I don't have kdm installed
[21:13] <pietro10> I'm saying KDE is showing one theme, but lightdm is using another
[21:13] <Snowhog_> pietro10: Open a console and type: sudo install --reinstall lightdm
[21:14] <Snowhog_> pietro10: This will ensure that all parts of lightdm are installed.
[21:14] <Snowhog_> pietro10: Sorry!  correction:  sudo apt-get install --reinstall lightdm
[21:17] <pietro10> oh I think I know what happened
[21:17] <pietro10> it's unity-greeter
[21:18] <pietro10> but I can't find out without removing unity..??
[21:19] <Stu_> hey Darth
[21:19] <pietro10> trying it; thanks in the meantime Snowhog_
[21:19] <Stu_> i tried the both of them meaning ubuntu and kubuntu....i like kubuntu better believe it or not
[21:31] <Stu_> umm okay then
[22:59] <pietro10> Okay. What's the correct way to change the LightDM greeter used? Thanks.
[23:05] <pietro10> after trying several desktop environments, GTK+ no longer uses the KDE-dictated icon set. How do I change it back? Thanks.
[23:05] <pietro10> *also,
[23:05] <Kristy> Hello, how do I alter my secondary monitor's display color? It's too yellow and probably needs less R and G. Any help is appreciated!
[23:07] <pietro10> ok screw this I'm going to finish making sure quit events work right on unity and then remove it because it's caused everything so far
[23:32] <Kristy> Never mind, I found out how to unlock my monitor's menu.


[05:41] <lordrishav> Hello
[05:42] <lordrishav> How do I update Plasma using the Backports PPA?
[05:42] <lordrishav> Can anybody tell me?
 20.04 plasma updates are restricted to point releases. Major version updates are not possible to due to dependencies on newer versions of QT.
[05:47] <lordrishav> You mean, the Backports PPA is useless?
[05:48] <lordrishav> DarinMiller: ?
 Not entirely useless, since QT is used for many apps and across multiple distros, it will not be upgraded. So far, only a few packages exist in the focal ppa: MSI GE66 Raider
[05:52] <lordrishav> That means I have to wait till 20.10 to get Plasma 5.19?
 2 options *buntu based distros for the latest plasma: KDE Neon or Kubuntu 20.10 (still in early release, not recommended production environments).
 What features/bug fixes are you missing that are in 5.19?
[05:55] <lordrishav> Some stability
[05:55] <lordrishav> And the bouncing icons
 Stability?  Are you seeing crashes or memory leaks?
[05:59] <lordrishav> I used a later version of Plasma on my Linux Mint
[05:59] <lordrishav> And it seemed to run a bit faster
[06:00] <lordrishav> And heated the CPU less
 Wow, Mint must have their own PPA that updates QT versions.  I was not aware the Mint group was went to that much trouble.
[06:03] <lordrishav> It was not an official desktop of Linux Mint, I installed Plasma using apt install plasma-desktop
 Which version of QT?
 Plasma 18.5 has been quite stable 4 machines that are running here.
 Also, GG has been running quite well on my test machine.  So if you have a test machine, I recommend giving 20.10 a spin.
[08:31] <viewer|65> Hello
[08:33] <viewer|65> Sorry, I have to restate my question because of some network disturbances
[08:33] <viewer|65> How do I update Plasma using the Kubuntu Backports?
[08:35] <diogenes_> !backports
[08:37] <viewer|65> I have currently 18.5
[08:37] <viewer|65> I want to update to 19
[08:37] <viewer|65> Of Plasma
[08:40] <viewer|65> How do I do so?
[08:43] <viewer|65> Hello
[08:43] <viewer|65> Anybody there?
[10:07] <mparillo> If you would like to test GG Daily Builds (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/413/builds) you can install it from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
 Hi! I have issues with my iwlwifi 8265 on a fresh Kubuntu installation
 The wifi adapter is recognized but I cannot get it to work
 Kernel 5.4.0
[11:17] <lordrishav> Hello
 Hi!
[11:45] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:53] <lordrishav> How do I install a Debian Package using gdebi directly from Dolphin?
[11:53] <lordrishav> I have gdebi already installed
[11:54] <lordrishav> Because I don't like QApt
[12:01] <BluesKaj> lordrishav, https://itsfoss.com/gdebi-default-ubuntu-software-center/
[13:38] <user|32479> how can add tamil font
[13:42] <lundrvs> Go to System Settings. On "Appearance" tab, look for "Fonts", then go to "Font Management" and search for it
[15:29] <R13ose> How do I get my laptop to instantly wake up from sleep?
[17:40] <user|46003> hello
[17:41] <user|46003> hello
[17:42] <user|46003> what**
[17:42] <user|46003> i need suport
[17:43] <user|46003> help
[17:44] <user|46003> Erreur du chargement du fichier QML : file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.taskmanager/contents/ui/main.qml:27:1: module "org.kde.plasma.private.taskmanager" is not installed
[19:44] <Atlenohen> Hello
[19:45] <Atlenohen>  I can't find where the heck are the wireless hotspot settings
[19:45] <Atlenohen> all I get is "Network Connections"
[19:47] <Atlenohen> Can it be done with GUI at all?
[20:31] <mparillo> I have not tried myself, but promising results from: https://www.google.com/search?client=qupzilla&q=kde%20hotspot
[20:34] <oerheks> mparillo, that should work, but he joined #ubuntu and is running 19.10 (EOL)
[20:34] <oerheks> and ignoring upgrade advise
 (Photo, 657x357) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/0i0MHtB2/file_34868.jpg Oh, good catch oerheks.  in 20.04, hot spots are very easy, just click a button:


[19:17] <airurando> evening
[19:34] <zmoylan-len> hi
[20:33] <tdr112> hey
[20:33] <czajkowski> hows folks?
[20:35] <tdr112> grand , in tog, soldering
[20:39] <czajkowski> yay
[20:40] <tdr112> czajkowski: getting home much ?
[20:42] <airurando> yeah czajkowski when will you be home next?
[20:44] <czajkowski> Decemnber 20th :)
[20:44] <czajkowski> back to Castleconnell for Christmas
[20:44] <czajkowski> with the dog the other half and the car
[20:44] <czajkowski> have the ferry booked
[20:46] <tdr112> ah that will be nice
[20:48] <czajkowski> yup
[20:48] <czajkowski> getting it from pembroke to rosslare
[20:48] <czajkowski> 4 hr ferry crossing
[20:48] <czajkowski> collecting BAsh ththursday week  :D
[20:50] <tdr112> much of a drive in the uk
[20:50] <tdr112> Bash ?
[20:50] <czajkowski> Bash is my ne wpuppy :D
[20:50] <czajkowski> wil be about a 5 hr drive from ours to the ferry
[20:51] <tdr112> make sense now ,
[20:51] <tdr112> great name btw
[20:51] <czajkowski> https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/+LauraCzajkowski/albums/5936916689358037521
[20:51] <czajkowski> I chose it :)
[20:51] <czajkowski> Jon chose the hens
[20:52] <airurando1> I agree bash is a great name for a dog all thinks considered.
[20:52] <airurando1> that sounds like a great Christmas.
[20:53] <czajkowski> yeah and then we have my godsons christening on Dec 28th
[20:53] <czajkowski> then drive back on the 30th
[20:53] <czajkowski> and new years with his Family
[20:54] <airurando1> Very good. Moving to the next level ;-)
[20:54] <tdr112> so cute
[20:54] <czajkowski> airurando1: lol he's been here now 3 xmas in a row we're there
[20:55] <czajkowski> his family will do xmas dinner for us on the 2nd weekend in January
[20:55] <czajkowski> it's fun
[21:00] <airurando1> he he
[21:00] <airurando1> only messin'
[21:24] <airurando> Don't forget folks.  Team meeting next Wednesday.
[21:25] <airurando> Details http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-ie/690/detail/


[10:50] <Wulf> Hi
[20:28] <smoser> bye bye all, see some of you in paris.
[20:40] <harmw> have fun :)
[21:55] <Wumpus42_> how can I tell what modules are available to put into /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg and into what section they go?
[22:21] <harlowja> until http://cloudinit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/topics/modules.html is filled out better the source code tells u
[22:22] <harlowja> and the examples
[22:22] <harlowja> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/files/head:/doc/
[22:22] <harlowja> Wumpus42_ ^
[22:24] <Wumpus42_> I found the cc_* files in the 0.7.4 source .tar.gz file, but wasn't sure how it was decided which section then went in, or what their name was. Some were obvious with the .get call
[22:24] <Wumpus42_> I'll read through the source more closely.
[22:25] <Wumpus42_> It looked like the /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg that comes by default in the 0.7.4 package didn't have all the modules listed. so I started looking around.
[22:25] <Wumpus42_> thank you :)
[22:55]  * gholms wishes he could go  :(
[23:17] <harlowja> Wumpus42_ what rh shipped with 0.7.4 is likely a subset of what actually can be ran (i'm not sure why they selected certain modules over other modules)


[08:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2741 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[08:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2741 Generating diffs
[08:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2732 Publishing packages
[08:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 Diff missing (artful/alembic, artful/migrate, artful/neutron, artful/python-neutron-lib, artful/sqlalchemy). Pending binary packages (artful/python-oslo.db)
[08:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2741 Pending binary packages
[08:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2732 Proposed pocket
[08:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2741 Successfully built
[08:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 Diff missing
[09:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 Currently building (artful/cinder, artful/glance, artful/heat, artful/keystone, artful/manila, artful/networking-sfc, artful/neutron, artful/neutron-lbaas, artful/nova). Diff missing (artful/alembic, artful/migrate, artful/python-neutron-lib, artful/python-oslo.db, artful/sqlalchemy). Failed to build (artful/barbican). Pending binary packages (artful/ironic, artful/neutron-dynamic-routing, art
[09:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2742 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[09:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2742 Generating diffs
[09:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 Currently building (artful/neutron, artful/neutron-lbaas, artful/nova). Diff missing (artful/alembic, artful/cinder, artful/glance, artful/heat, artful/ironic, artful/manila, artful/migrate, artful/networking-sfc, artful/neutron-dynamic-routing, artful/neutron-fwaas, artful/python-neutron-lib, artful/python-oslo.db, artful/python-pykmip, artful/sqlalchemy). Failed to build (artful/vmware-nsx).
[09:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2742 Uploading build
[09:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2732 Proposed pocket (artful/barbican, artful/cinder, artful/glance, artful/heat, artful/horizon, artful/ironic, artful/keystone, artful/manila, artful/networking-bgpvpn, artful/networking-odl, artful/networking-ovn, artful/networking-sfc, artful/neutron, artful/neutron-dynamic-routing, artful/neutron-fwaas, artful/neutron-lbaas, artful/nova, artful/nova-lxd). Release pocket (artful/openvs
[10:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 Diff missing (artful/alembic, artful/barbican, artful/cinder, artful/glance, artful/heat, artful/ironic, artful/keystone, artful/manila, artful/migrate, artful/networking-sfc, artful/neutron, artful/neutron-dynamic-routing, artful/neutron-fwaas, artful/neutron-lbaas, artful/python-neutron-lib, artful/python-oslo.db, artful/python-pykmip, artful/sqlalchemy). Failed to build (artful/nova, artful
[10:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2742 Successfully built
[10:32] <xnox> sil2100, any idea about running proposed migration for artful yet?
[10:32] <xnox> i am pondering to release unity/compiz to the artful archive as is, such that adt tests are run there.
[10:32] <xnox> and take it from there.
[10:33] <xnox> Trevinho, are you ok with throwing https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730 at the archive, and run the autopkgtests there? it will do so anyway.
[10:33] <xnox> it seems like bileto doesn't know how to do autopkgtests for artful yet.
[10:34] <Laney> xnox: They started investigating it in #webops earlier
[10:42] <Trevinho> xnox: I alredy proposed that... But I prefer to have the tests done
[10:44] <xnox> Trevinho, but they will be done as part of the proposed migration. As in nothing will land in artful, until adt tests complete in artful-proposed.
[10:45] <xnox> Trevinho, or you want to do them twice, as it is currently done? (once in bileto without artful-proposed, and then again in artful-proposed?!)
[11:18] <Trevinho> xnox: I'm fine with that, I just can't publish anyway... So it's all on Laney's hands. I guess we're not in hurry so we can wait bileto to be fixed too...
[11:18] <Trevinho> But in fine with everything
[11:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730 Publishing packages
[11:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730 Publish failed: Bad merges
[11:55] <xnox> sigh
[11:55] <xnox> not enough approved branches.
[12:03] <Trevinho> xnox: free to go again now
[12:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730 Publishing packages
[12:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730 Publish failed: Packaging diff requires ACK
[12:08] <Laney> what's the big hurry?
[12:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2732 Proposed pocket (artful/barbican, artful/cinder, artful/glance, artful/heat, artful/horizon, artful/ironic, artful/keystone, artful/manila, artful/networking-bgpvpn, artful/networking-odl, artful/networking-ovn, artful/networking-sfc, artful/neutron, artful/neutron-dynamic-routing, artful/neutron-fwaas, artful/neutron-lbaas, artful/nova). Release pocket (artful/nova-lxd, artful/openvs
[12:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730 Successfully built
[12:39] <Trevinho> Laney: I guess xnox wants to get rid of upstart quickly
[12:40] <xnox> we have a couple of dozen packages to remove and unwind this cycle.
[12:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730 Publishing packages
[12:41] <Laney> Well this one is ready.
[12:41] <Laney> I don't see why it has to be in RIGHT NOW.
[12:43] <xnox> Trevinho, https://code.launchpad.net/~muktupavels/compiz/gwd-hidpi/+merge/323100 this one has still needs review status =( i guess you are not charming enough to  toggle that on the compiz project, or something?
[12:44] <xnox> Laney, i have time now to do this; but my pipeline is very busy upcoming weeks with building things out of all things on Windows =/
[12:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730 Publish failed: Bad merges
[12:45] <Trevinho> xnox: fixed
[12:45] <xnox> yeah
[12:51] <Trevinho> xnox: I'm in drinks time here though, so... I don't want anything responsibilty for this braking stuff (but when I approved was good, and day time 😅)
[12:51] <Trevinho> *any
[12:52] <Trevinho> *breaking
[12:52] <xnox> i am running that ppa on my laptop and did test all the claimed features, everything seemed to be ok
[12:53] <Trevinho> xnox: 👍
[12:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730 Successfully built
[13:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 Currently building (artful/pegasus-wms). Diff missing (artful/alembic, artful/anki, artful/archipel-core, artful/automx, artful/barbican, artful/bauble, artful/blogofile, artful/buildbot, artful/childsplay, artful/cinder, artful/csvkit, artful/db2twitter, artful/elixir, artful/flask-sqlalchemy, artful/gertty, artful/glance, artful/glare, artful/gourmet, artful/griffith, artful/heat, artful/ibi
[13:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2732 Proposed pocket (artful/barbican, artful/cinder, artful/glance, artful/heat, artful/horizon, artful/ironic, artful/keystone, artful/manila, artful/networking-bgpvpn, artful/networking-odl, artful/networking-sfc, artful/neutron, artful/neutron-dynamic-routing, artful/neutron-fwaas, artful/neutron-lbaas, artful/nova). Release pocket (artful/networking-ovn, artful/nova-lxd, artful/openvs
[13:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 Currently building (artful/mistral, artful/osmalchemy). Diff missing (artful/alembic, artful/anki, artful/aodh, artful/archipel-core, artful/automx, artful/barbican, artful/bauble, artful/blogofile, artful/buildbot, artful/childsplay, artful/cinder, artful/csvkit, artful/db2twitter, artful/elixir, artful/epigrass, artful/flask-sqlalchemy, artful/gertty, artful/glance, artful/glare, artful/gnoc
[14:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 Currently building (artful/senlin). Diff missing (artful/alembic, artful/anki, artful/aodh, artful/archipel-core, artful/automx, artful/barbican, artful/bauble, artful/blogofile, artful/buildbot, artful/childsplay, artful/cinder, artful/csvkit, artful/db2twitter, artful/elixir, artful/epigrass, artful/flask-sqlalchemy, artful/gertty, artful/glance, artful/glare, artful/gnocchi, artful/gourmet,
[14:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 Diff missing (artful/alembic, artful/anki, artful/aodh, artful/archipel-core, artful/automx, artful/barbican, artful/bauble, artful/blogofile, artful/buildbot, artful/childsplay, artful/cinder, artful/csvkit, artful/db2twitter, artful/elixir, artful/epigrass, artful/flask-sqlalchemy, artful/gertty, artful/glance, artful/glare, artful/gnocchi, artful/gourmet, artful/griffith, artful/heat, artfu
[15:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 Generating diffs
[15:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 artful/python-authkit: Failed to verify DSC file python-authkit_0.4.3-2.dsc
[15:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 Generating diffs
[15:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 artful/zope.sqlalchemy: Failed to verify DSC file zope.sqlalchemy_0.6.1-2.dsc
[15:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 Generating diffs
[15:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 artful/magnum: Failed to verify DSC file magnum_4.1.0-0ubuntu2.dsc
[15:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 Generating diffs
[15:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 artful/python-sqlalchemy-utils: Failed to verify DSC file python-sqlalchemy-utils_0.30.12-4.dsc
[15:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 Generating diffs
[15:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 artful/archipel-core: Failed to verify DSC file archipel-core_0.6.0-1.dsc
[16:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 Generating diffs
[16:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 Publishing packages
[16:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 Publish failed: Diff missing
[16:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 Generating diffs
[16:07] <jamespage> hmm - anyone got any ideas on the verification failures for the diffs on https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739
[16:07] <jamespage> ?
[16:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 artful/murano: Failed to verify DSC file murano_3.2.0-0ubuntu1.dsc
[16:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2740 Preparing packages
[16:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 Diff missing
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 Generating diffs
[17:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 Diff missing
[17:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2740 Failed to build (artful/unity). Successfully built (artful/compiz)
[17:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2739 Successfully built
[18:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2743 Preparing packages
[18:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730 Publishing packages
[18:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730 Proposed pocket
[19:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2740 Dependency wait (artful/unity). Destination version missing from changelog (artful/compiz)
[19:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2743 Generating diffs
[19:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2743 Successfully built
[19:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730 Proposed pocket (artful/unity). Release pocket (artful/compiz)
[20:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730 Release pocket
[21:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2740 Needs rebuild due to new commits
[21:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2734 Needs rebuild due to new commits
[21:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2718 Needs rebuild due to new commits
[21:33] <sil2100> Trevinho, xnox: just in case you guys are still around - Bileto britney autopkgtests should now be working
[21:36] <sil2100> Trevinho, xnox: it's all a bit slowish today so drop me an e-mail if there are still problems, but I checked in an experimental silo and I got excuses back for artful + saw the tests running
[21:38] <xnox> sil2100, win!
[21:39] <sil2100> One thing that I didn't manage to test is if the excuses page gets correctly updated with test results, but I'm sure it is as since it generates it successfully and updates the ticket then why shouldn't it
[21:40] <sil2100> Since I only got an excuses page with the Test running tests, but I saw the tests being run, just would need to wait another 30 minutes to check if the excuses page got refreshed


[02:00]  * genii-around kicks the crap out of his network manager
[04:18] <SudoKing> is gnome3 supposed to look like this? no color, just monochrome..
[04:18] <KM0201> i think it does have a monochrom'ish look to it.
[04:19] <KM0201> i'm running lubuntu 11.04 though.. so i'm not sure
[04:19] <SudoKing> well that's natty :P
[04:19] <SudoKing> i'm on oneiric
[04:19] <KM0201> sorry, meant 11.10
[04:19] <Viper550> SudoKing, are you in Unity?
[04:19] <SudoKing> nah, classic gnome
[04:20] <Viper550> yes it is.
[04:20] <Viper550> btw you can edit the panels
[04:20] <SudoKing> doesn't seem to be any right click functionality
[04:21] <Viper550> hold down alt
[04:25] <head_victim> Hah my oneiric just got a background apparently. Nice and bright I must say.
[13:07] <smallfoot-> why oneiric release schedule on wiki has no link to alpha1 info?
[13:07] <smallfoot-> i must know what is new in alpha1, i must know what is known broken
[13:07] <smallfoot-> this was for all earlier ubuntu, but not for oneiric!! grr
[13:10] <yofel> smallfoot-: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview/Alpha1
[13:11] <smallfoot-> thanks, whats exactly what i was looking for
[13:11] <smallfoot-> why isnt it linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule like it used to be?
[13:12] <yofel> nobody rememberd to update the page probably
[13:14] <smallfoot-> oh
[13:14] <smallfoot-> can you update the page?
[13:19] <smallfoot-> why oneiric has to use this dumb unity2d, nobody likes unity
[13:19] <smallfoot-> everybody hates unity, because it sucks
[13:19] <smallfoot-> but canonical still has to force unity on everybody though nobody likes it
[13:22] <Volkodav> +1
[13:23] <Volkodav> gnome 3 is hardly usable too
[13:24] <Trewas> I don't know if staying with gnome (gnome3 that is) would have been any better than creating unity
[13:25] <Volkodav> would be easier on time and developers resources
[13:27] <smallfoot-> ya, gnome3 seems sucks too, but gtk3 seems good
[13:27] <smallfoot-> they should migrate gnome2 to gtk3
[15:46] <hrw> hi
[15:47] <hrw> does anyone know how to set READING font in evolution3? I can't stand variable-width fonts for mails ;(
[15:51] <hrw> anyway: bug 793580
[19:07] <genii-around> Bleh. Installing lprng for some reason wants to remove: bluez-cups cups cups-bsd cups-client cups-driver-gutenprint foo2zjs hplip hplip-cups hplip-gui kubuntu-desktop pxljr splix xubuntu-desktop     ...and i hit Y too quickly
[21:04] <magn3ts> Ubuntu 11.10 : featuring Marlin as a replacement for the disaster known as nautilus and compiz managing different wallpapers on different spaces.
[21:05] <Ian_Corne> magn3ts: ?
[21:06] <Ian_Corne> I'm still running nautilus
[21:06] <magn3ts> Ian_Corne, it's my biggest wish ever.
[21:06] <magn3ts> sadly marlin will surely be too unstable for such consideration.
[21:06] <magn3ts> It's like a GTK3 Dolphin.
[21:07] <Ian_Corne> it's not even in the repos?
[21:39] <elros> after the rapid development cycle in mozilla, my guess is that oneiric will feature firefox 7 (release possibly on 13th Sep)
[21:44] <micahg> elros: most likely
[22:03] <BUGabundo> evening
[22:03] <charlie-tca> Good evening, BUGabundo
[22:03] <charlie-tca> Installed from scratch this weekend, now running xubuntu Oneiric Ocelot
[22:04] <BUGabundo> nice
[22:04] <BUGabundo> that's the 1st time I see anyone write the release name
[22:04] <BUGabundo> I sure can't
[22:04] <charlie-tca> I had to learn it, I have to use it often
[22:05] <charlie-tca> Easier to learn if I type it enough
[23:25] <Volkodav> I still can't figure how to do a simple thing as adjust fonts ?
[23:26] <Volkodav> this unity sucks - can't find anything
[23:43] <arand> Volkodav: Top-right, system setting, appearance, fonts
[23:44] <arand> I do hope they make the system setting a tad more obvious in the next iteration though...
[23:44] <Volkodav> thanks but I booted out of it
[23:47] <nit-wit> arand, my appearance is missing thre.
[23:47] <nit-wit> *there
[23:48] <arand> Ah, might be some bork in the last updates, my system's been static for a while..


[05:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2815 Generating diffs
[05:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2815 Successfully built
[05:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2815 Publishing packages
[05:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2825 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[05:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2815 Proposed pocket
[06:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2825 Diff missing
[11:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2820 Diff missing (artful/fwupd). Failed to build (artful/appstream-glib). Pending binary packages (artful/gobject-introspection)
[11:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2820 Diff missing (artful/fwupd, artful/gobject-introspection). Failed to build (artful/appstream-glib)
[12:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2825 Generating diffs
[12:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2825 Successfully built
[13:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2815 Release pocket
[15:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2822 Publishing packages
[15:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2826 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[15:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2822 Release pocket
[15:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2826 Generating diffs
[15:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2826 Successfully built
[15:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kyrofa, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2812 Updates pocket
[16:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2826 Publishing packages
[16:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2826 Proposed pocket
[23:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2827 Preparing packages


[09:50] <srini_> hi anyone help me regarding ubuntu?
[09:51] <srini_> may i know for wat purpose ubuntu-devel is used?
[09:52] <srini_> please help me
[09:53] <Ampelbein> srini_: see the /topic ;-)
[09:54] <srini_> Ampelbein, what is that?
[09:54] <Ampelbein> srini_: The channel topic describes what the channel is about.
[09:56] <srini_> Ampelbein, where can i get to know the uses of upcoming ppa ? please dont show me your hand to launchpad..am new to this..i can't understand in that site
[09:57] <jokerdino> srini_: what ppa are you talking about? if you give us more info, we can help you better
[09:57] <Ampelbein> srini_: I don't understand the question. Do you want to know what a ppa is, or how to use one, or how to create one?
[09:58] <srini_> Ampelbein, i need to know the upcoming releases of ppa.And also i need to know the details of it.
[09:58] <micahg> how to create a PPA -> #launchpad, how to create packages for a PPA -> #ubuntu-packaging
[10:01] <srini_> micahg, am writing a blog regardiing linux.i need something new to write post about ubuntu.
[10:04] <srini_> pls help me
[10:20] <astraljava> srini_: I suppose #ubuntu-marketing could help you out.
[10:23] <srini_> astraljava, thank u
[10:28] <micahg> ls
[10:28] <micahg> oops :)
[10:28] <iulian> .
[10:28] <iulian> ..
[10:28] <iulian> Bah, too late.
[15:02] <geser> cjwatson: Hi, as you sponsored my vim merges in the past: bug #927642 is awaiting sponsoring if you want to grab it
[15:14] <infinity> geser: There may be sentimental reasons why some of us would like to keep the changelog delta going back to warty.
[16:13] <geser> infinity: even if the real remaining delta is around 30-40 lines and the changelog entries over 1000 lines?
[16:16] <penguin42> they get truncated from the binary package these days anyway don't they?
[16:17] <tumbleweed> geser: and the first entry is a merge, there is already missing history
[16:17] <tumbleweed> penguin42: yes
[16:19] <geser> forget about it that the changelog is truncated now
[16:20] <geser> will re-add those 800 lines of changelog delta which I truncated
[16:21] <penguin42> otherwise it would have been silly to dominate the size of vim.tiny by the changelog :-)
[16:25] <geser> I was trying to find a balance between preserving history and to ease the reviewer (by making it easier to find the real changes in the debdiff)
[16:26] <geser> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/85975298/vim.debdiff is the debiff of the last merge (with complete changelog delta)


[10:51] <deadbrainviv> I am trying to research the effectiveness of using it to build a kiosk running on ubuntu on raspberry pi. but cannot get touch to work. Using ubuntu mate arm on rpi 3
[10:51] <deadbrainviv> Touch i m using is 3M multi touch with a dell display


[18:26] <yano> http://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/part-of-i-70-closed-due-to-swat-situation
[18:26] <jenni> [ Part of I-70 closed due to SWAT situation | WSYX ] - https://bit.ly/2jZuEeR
[20:46] <dzho> wat