[00:20] <avihay> lontra: yes, it's not an incremental update
[00:23] <lontra> but why isn't pushed as a normal update?
[00:27] <James147> lontra: so that prople dont have to upgrade as it 'could' break their system (or at least thats what I think)
[01:47] <jcgs> hi, can anyone help me, i'm currently struggling with grep?
[01:47] <Torch> jcgs: ask your question, don't ask to ask ;-)
[01:47] <jcgs> ok, i'm trying to match the letter i at the beginning of a line, how would i do that?
[01:47] <Torch> grep ^i
[01:49] <jcgs> Torch: Cheers, why doesn't it say that in man grep?
[01:49] <Torch> jcgs: because the man page can't teach you regular expressions too
[01:49] <Torch> jcgs: i guess...
[01:51] <jcgs> Torch: one more thing, i was trying to use grep [:space:]i[:space:] to match an i surrounded by whitespace, but that appeared to do the opposite, what's going on?
[01:51] <Torch> jcgs: grep only understands a very limited subset of regular expressions.
[01:51] <Torch> jcgs: it can do what you want, however, if you just use grep " i " (literally)
[01:52] <Torch> jcgs: it won't match anything else but the space char itself with this, of course.
[01:52] <Torch> jcgs: for anything more complicated use egrep or perl
[01:52] <jcgs> Torch: ah, but [:space:] is specifically listed in man grep
[01:52] <Torch> jcgs: maybe ;-)
[01:53] <Torch> jcgs: i'm not a grep guru
[01:54] <jcgs> Torch: I also tried grep -E which is the same as egrep. could this be a bug?
[01:54] <Torch> jcgs: very very unlikely
[01:54] <Torch> jcgs: stuff like grep is simple enough to just work
[01:55] <jcgs> Torch: presumably more likely to be a mistake in the documentation
[01:57] <jcgs> Torch: anyway thanks a lot :)
[02:00] <Torch> jcgs: it's [[:space:]]
[02:00] <Torch> jcgs: probably some escape-bug in the manpage
[02:01] <Typos_King_> " i "   should be fine
[02:03] <jcgs> Torch: it seems like [[:space:]] requires egrep to work, but doesn't match new lines
[02:03] <Torch> jcgs: regular expression syntax does not normally match a newline, it's a special case (at least in perl)
[02:04] <Demolitio> hey, would anybody be able to point me towards some screenshots of the stock theme for Kubuntu 10.04?
[02:04] <Torch> jcgs: as you already found out i'm not a 100% familiar with what grep and egrep do with it.
[02:04] <Torch> Demolitio: www.kde.org?
[02:04] <Typos_King_> ahemm
[02:04] <Typos_King_> grep [[:space:]]   worked for me
[02:33] <lontra> yeah kubuntu does very little to change the default upstream theme
[02:34] <lontra> what do they do add two more plasmoids to the panel and branding in a few places
[03:15] <Ezro> Hey guys, can someone help with kontact?
[03:15] <Ezro> I really like the look of it, but I was wondering if I can use my hotmail account with it
[03:22] <newboon2age> Ezro: i haven't played with kontact, but i'd be willing to look at it w/ you.  I don't have a hotmail account, but the settings are probably easily found...
[03:22] <Ezro> Ya, it looks like a really cool program.
[03:22] <Ezro> I setup my identity with my hotmail account
[03:22] <Ezro> But it still says I need to make an acount
[03:23] <Ezro> account*
[03:23] <newboon2age> Ezro: hotmail is saying that or kontact is saying that?
[03:24] <Ezro> I actually found the account wizard.
[03:24] <Ezro> Now I just need to figure out what hotmail is lol
[03:25] <newboon2age> Ezro: so are you talking about the 'Add' under Setup for Sending and Receiving Messages?
[03:25] <ridin> msn?
[03:25] <Ezro> Ya.
[03:27] <Dragnslcr> Ezro- http://mailcall.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!CC9301187A51FE33!44348.entry
[03:27] <Dragnslcr> That has the POP3 and SMTP settings you need
[03:31] <Ezro> Ya, so I got my hotmail to work.
[03:31] <Ezro> But now it 1) won't fetch all my files and 2) won't read html -_-
[03:32] <newboon2age> Ezro: kontact won't?  (Actually it looks like its kmail)
[03:33] <Ezro> Ya, it's kmail
[03:34] <newboon2age> Ezro: when you say 'fetch ... files' are you talking about kmail handling attachments?
[03:34] <Ezro> No, I mean when I click check mail
[03:34] <Ezro> It doesn't load all my emails
[03:36] <newboon2age> Ezro: do you notice any pattern to which ones it gets/doesn't get?  Like is it missing nested folders or something?  Or maybe maxes out at a certain number of e-mails on each fetch?
[03:37] <Ezro> ./shrug
[03:37] <Ezro> Not really.
[03:37] <Ezro> I think it was just taking a while. I got my most recent email.
[03:37] <Ezro> It won't get mail from my other folders though.
[03:37] <Ezro> Like in hotmail I have a folder for school and it won't get the emails from there.
[03:38] <newboon2age> Ezro: is it getting more mail each time you fetch?
[03:39] <Ezro> It stopped.
[03:39] <Ezro> It only got emails from my inbox
[03:43] <newboon2age> Ezro: I don't know if this means anything, but i notice in the POP Setup it asks for 'destination folder' and only gives 'Inbox' as a choice.
[03:45] <Ezro> Where is that?
[03:45] <Ezro> The only thing I know for accounts is the account wizard lol
[03:46] <newboon2age> Ezro: yes, you called it the 'account wizard'
[03:46] <Ezro> o.o
[03:56] <newboon2age> Ezro: i wonder if you go into kmail and give it some other folders that match what's on hotmail if that would get it working...
[05:31] <TeslaTony> I'm using Kubuntu Netbook Remix, and every time I try hooking up to an unsecured network, knetworkmanager tries treating it as the last one I signed in to, and proceeds to do nothing. If I delete the old network, it works fine. Solutions?
[06:16] <dan_l> Hey!  Gnome sucks!
[06:16] <dan_l> (just trying to start a conversation)
[06:18] <ridin> hi
[06:37] <newboon2age> Ezro: i've been messing w/ kontact and got it to download my gmail, but so far i haven't succeeded in getting it to get the mail from other boxes besides inbox.
[06:38] <henkka-> hello
[06:38] <henkka-> could someone help me out with installing IGS Pandanet go client for linux I am using kubuntu 10.04
[06:39] <henkka-> they have .rpm .deb and .tar.gz file with installer I tried all of them but when trying to start the program nothing happens
[06:39] <henkka-> I dont know too much about linux
[06:40] <newboon2age> henkka-: i think i may have seen something to change .rpm to .deb today... let me check...
[06:40] <henkka-> no i mean
[06:40] <henkka-> they have 3 files
[06:40] <henkka-> .deb and .rpm and a .tar.gz
[06:40] <henkka-> so i tried each of them but
[06:40] <newboon2age> henkka-: oh, so the one you want is the .deb file
[06:41] <newboon2age> what is the link to the download?
[06:41] <henkka-> http://www.pandanet.co.jp/English/glgo/download.html
[06:42] <newboon2age> henkka-: i'll try it out and see if i can get it going...
[06:42] <henkka-> ok thanks
[06:42] <henkka-> i'll try installing the .deb one more time but i already did this once
[06:43] <henkka-> do I need to remove the previous installations
[06:43] <henkka-> since I think I tried to install the .rpm file first but didnt remove it before trying the .deb
[06:43] <henkka-> ?
[06:44] <newboon2age> henkka-: i'm not sure, but i don't think so, good question.
[06:45] <henkka-> btw when removing installations from kpackage manager
[06:45] <henkka-> it resolves the dependencies and
[06:45] <henkka-> last time I uninstalled something from there
[06:45] <henkka-> it uninstalled the dependencies as well
[06:45] <henkka-> which sort of resulted to that I had to reinstall linux
[06:45] <henkka-> so now im trying to avoid uninstalling things
[06:45] <henkka-> :D
[06:46] <newboon2age> henkka-: hmmm... usually using kpackage manager is by far safer than doing it manually because if you don't resolve dependencies you can end up in a pickle.  What was it you uninstalled (while i wait for the download to finish)...
[06:47] <henkka-> i dont remember
[06:47] <henkka-> yeah I meant i used the program
[06:47] <henkka-> kpackage kit
[06:47] <henkka-> and it uninstalled the dependencies
[06:47] <henkka-> but probably i did something wrong
[06:47] <henkka-> anyway I reinstalled linux after that and now there's no problem
[06:48] <henkka-> btw the download from the site is
[06:48] <henkka-> it tends to pause
[06:48] <henkka-> i dont know how it's with other browsers but with firefox I had to click the pause/continue download putton a couple of times to get the file
[06:48] <newboon2age> henkka-: it must have been something critical to the desktop or some inner workings of Kubuntu or something.  Yes, you do have to be a little cautious when uninstalling, so i generally look at the list to make sure nothing important is going to be uninstalled.
[06:48] <henkka-> I think it was a chess program
[06:49] <henkka-> but it uninstalled the dependencies as well
[06:49] <henkka-> like whatever was required for the chess program to function
[06:49] <henkka-> but anyway that's not related to this Go client issue
[06:50] <henkka-> just explaining why i dont uninstall things unnecessarily
[06:50] <henkka-> :D
[06:59] <newboon2age> henkka-: first i downloaded w/ Konqueror but i'm not sure where it put it...
[07:00] <henkka-> i think it should be at usr/games/glgo
[07:00] <newboon2age> henkka-: i'll check...
[07:03] <newboon2age> henkka-: so please tell me this.  When you downloaded it did you use Konqueror and if so did you right click on it and if so which option did you pick?
[07:03] <henkka-> i used firefox
[07:04] <henkka-> and open with the default package handler for .deb files
[07:04] <newboon2age> henkka-: did you save it or use gdebi?
[07:04] <henkka-> GDebi
[07:04] <newboon2age> okay... checking....
[07:12] <newboon2age> henkka-: well this is funky... the first time when i tried to download it with konqueror i got the progress bar and all, but i'm not sure if it completed the download or where it put it.  Now i'm trying it with firefox and it seems to stall indefinitely on the 'starting' to download, no progress...
[07:12] <abhi_nav> newboon2age, hello
[07:13] <newboon2age> abhi_nav: hey...
[07:13] <abhi_nav> newboon2age, you here too?
[07:13] <henkka-> yea
[07:13] <newboon2age> abhi_nav: sure, learning more about kubuntu
[07:13] <henkka-> there's some problem with hte site
[07:13] <henkka-> but htere's an FTP from which there's no problem
[07:13] <abhi_nav> newboon2age, me too. just installed kde yesterday. its cool!!!!
[07:14] <newboon2age> abhi_nav: awesome.
[07:14] <abhi_nav> yah
[07:14] <henkka-> http://panda-igs.joyjoy.net/English/glgo/downloads/
[07:14] <newboon2age> henkka-: sure, i'll try that...
[07:16] <newboon2age> henkka-: hmm... gdebi objects to installing it because its for i386 and my machine is amd64... but let me try some things...
[07:17] <abhi_nav> newboon2age, do you know shortcuts for min,max,restore in kde?
[07:22] <newboon2age> henkka-: wow, even dpkg stops me cold.  won't let me install it.  :/
[07:22] <henkka-> well that's ok
[07:22] <henkka-> it's been quitea bit of trouble already
[07:23] <newboon2age> henkka-: i think i'd try deleting everything from their directory and reinstalling using gdebi if possible.  I think since its .deb it should basically configure itself properly (at least in terms of which directories it puts itself in and all)
[07:24] <newboon2age> henkka-: and if its just a matter of it not showing up on the menus as you expected, well that can be fixed..
[07:24] <henkka-> yea but it's not starting at all
[07:24] <henkka-> i dont even know how to delete the files
[07:24] <henkka-> :D
[07:24] <abhi_nav> ??
[07:25] <abhi_nav> nobody tell me that :(
[07:25] <newboon2age> henkka-: well if you use the file manager (Dolphin) you can navigate to the directory you mentioned
[07:25] <henkka-> yea but
[07:25] <henkka-> it doesnt allow deleting files there
[07:25] <henkka-> i thought it's because it's in the root section
[07:25] <newboon2age> henkka-: ah,
[07:25] <henkka-> instead of home
[07:26] <newboon2age> henkka-: okay let me check something...
[07:26] <maco> youd need to run it as root then
[07:26] <maco> kdesu dolphin
[07:26] <maco> but you shouldnt uninstall by manually deleting files...
[07:26] <henkka-> yea that workd
[07:26] <newboon2age> maco: thank you maco .  how would you suggest..
[07:27] <maco> you uninstall software by uninstalling it :P
[07:27] <maco> sudo apt-get remove <package name>
[07:27] <maco> or use kpackagekit if you prefer
[07:27] <maco> or ahhh i see, arch difference
[07:27] <maco> if apt-get is unhappy, there's always "sudo dpkg -P <package name>"
[07:27] <maco> to remove/purge a package
[07:28] <henkka-> but anyway the program still wont start so
[07:28] <henkka-> i dunno
[07:29] <maco> if its compiled for a different architecture than you're running, thats no surprise
[07:29] <newboon2age> maco: well that was me, not henkka-
[07:29] <maco> it wont be able to find the libraries it needs of the right architecure
[07:29] <maco> oh
[07:29] <maco> bahh im getting so confused
[07:29] <newboon2age> maco: sorry
[07:29] <abhi_nav> :'(
[07:30] <henkka-> im tryin to start IGS panda net Go client
[07:30] <henkka-> for the game of go
[07:30] <henkka-> their website has 3 downloads for linux
[07:30] <henkka-> .rpm .deb and tar.gz which contains scripts or so it says
[07:30] <henkka-> it tried each of teh 3 but
[07:30] <henkka-> none of them worked
[07:30] <henkka-> so I dont know
[07:30] <newboon2age> henkka-: when you say won't start, exactly what are you doing?
[07:30] <FloodBotK2> henkka-: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:30] <newboon2age> henkka-: and what results do you get?
[07:31] <henkka-> well i go to the executable file in the usr/games/glgo directory
[07:31] <henkka-> and try to start it but notthing happens
[07:31] <newboon2age> henkka-: how do you try to start it?
[07:31] <henkka-> i also tried pressing alt+f2 and typing glGo there but it returns no valid options beyond that and start menu i've no idea how it's supposed to do
[07:31] <henkka-> i also tried with root dolphin
[07:32] <henkka-> now that i figured such athing exists
[07:32] <henkka-> or maco said
[07:32] <newboon2age> henkka-: when you say try to start it are you typing a command at the terminal or clicking on it in dolphin or....
[07:32] <henkka-> clicking on it in dolphin
[07:33] <newboon2age> henkka-: it may be that the permissions need to be set so its an executable.
[07:33] <henkka-> it is set as an executable
[07:33] <henkka-> by default i checked that
[07:33] <henkka-> =D
[07:33] <newboon2age> henkka-: what is the file name?
[07:33] <henkka-> glGo
[07:33] <newboon2age> henkka-: is there an extension?
[07:34] <henkka-> no.. but it says type: executable and when you go to permissions it has the is executable box ticked
[07:34] <newboon2age> maco: any ideas?
[07:34] <henkka-> in anycase even if it was possible for me to somehow manually start this program, I'm assuming that if it's any more complicated than this then
[07:34] <henkka-> it's going wrong
[07:35] <henkka-> for whoever made this probably didnt make it as difficult as possible
[07:35] <henkka-> :D
[07:35] <maco> is thre a README in the tarball?
[07:35] <newboon2age> henkka-: well there could be something we're not thinking of... i'll check the web site... hang on...
[07:35] <maco> i'd start there
[07:35] <henkka-> no there isnt
[07:35] <henkka-> there's some instructions on the website which i read somewhat
[07:36] <henkka-> http://www.pandanet.co.jp/English/glgo/download.html
[07:37] <newboon2age> henkka-: check http://www.pandanet.co.jp/English/glgo/Install.txt
[07:37] <henkka-> yea i read that
[07:37] <henkka-> doesnt mean i got much out of it :D
[07:37] <newboon2age> henkka-: it says (among other things) '' If you use the Gnome desktop, you already have all of these libraries.
[07:38] <henkka-> well am i using  ?  I dont know :D
[07:38] <henkka-> i jsut assumed that since it said most distributions have teh things
[07:38] <newboon2age> henkka-: you don't have the gnome desktop, so probably several of those libraries you'll need to install
[07:40] <newboon2age> henkka-:  i think you'll need to go down the list of libraries and using Kpackage kit, match each one and install it if you don't have it already.
[07:40] <henkka-> oh
[07:41] <newboon2age> henkka-: see kubuntu uses KDE libraries instead of the gnome libraries.
[07:41] <newboon2age> henkka-: whereas Ubuntu uses the Gnome desktop.
[07:42] <newboon2age> henkka-: so parts of teh Gnome desktop, Kubuntu won't have at least not by default.
[07:42] <newboon2age> henkka-: doesn't mean you can't add them...
[07:43] <newboon2age> henkka-: the nice thing is they provided a list which you can just work your way through.
[07:44] <henkka-> yeah
[07:44] <henkka-> i'll do that but now im kind of tired after all this s
[07:44] <henkka-> so I think i'll do that later then
[07:44] <newboon2age> henkka-: interesting they also say it can use the GNU go program, which might be much easier to install...
[07:45] <newboon2age> henkka-: if you wait just a minute, let me check that real quick...
[07:46] <newboon2age> henkka-: well that is right there in Kpackagekit.  Just search for gnugo and its an easy install...
[07:46] <henkka-> ok
[07:48] <newboon2age> henkka-: the only thing i see in install to add is "Make sure the gnugo binary is found in your PATH environment, so glGo will find it. Common locations are /usr/local/bin, /usr/bin or /usr/games/bin.
[07:49] <newboon2age> maco: can you help with adding that to the PATH?
[07:49] <maco> just add to ~/.bashrc:
[07:49] <maco> export PATH=/whatever/path/you/want:$PATH
[07:50] <maco> but if its packaged i expect gnugo to be in /usr/bin/ anyway
[07:50] <maco> and thats part of the default $PATH
[07:50] <newboon2age> maco: and does that mean adding it to the PATH wouldn't be necessary?
[07:51] <newboon2age> maco: gotcha
[07:51] <maco> right
[07:52] <newboon2age> henkka-: so i just had kpackagekit install GNU Go on my machine.  According to the install instructions the web site should be able to find your GNU Go.
[07:52] <newboon2age> henkka-: once you've installed it that is...
[07:52] <henkka-> kk
[07:53] <henkka-> but how do i start
[07:53] <henkka-> I mean
[07:54] <henkka-> i dont knwo
[07:54] <newboon2age> henkka-: good question.  I went over to their web site.  You probably know a little more about it than i
[07:54] <henkka-> not really :D
[07:55] <henkka-> but
[07:55] <henkka-> how do i start gnugo
[07:55] <henkka-> on it's own
[07:55] <henkka-> ?
[07:56] <newboon2age> henkka-: i just started it from the command line typing gnugo.  I don't know if it has a gui or not...
[07:57] <henkka-> but it didnt start
[07:57] <henkka-> :D
[07:57] <henkka-> im gonna smoke brb
[07:57] <newboon2age> henkka-: started for moi
[08:01] <newboon2age> henkka-: if you tried to start it w/ alt+F2 that probably wouldn't work.  you'd need to go to a terminal window.  I'm checking to see if there's a gui for it.
[08:02] <henkka-> yea it started from terminal
[08:02] <henkka-> there's a grid that represents the board
[08:03] <henkka-> apparently yo can play against computer by default there :D
[08:05] <henkka-> =D
[08:05] <henkka-> it plays very well too :)
[08:07] <newboon2age> henkka-: i see several things that talk about GUIs for GNU go, one called gnomego.  I'd guess at least one of them is available in the repositories.  I'm out of time now, but I think this is a very doable thing... if you ask around you can probably get it going...
[08:07] <henkka-> yeah... thanks for your help
[08:07] <newboon2age> henkka-: sure enough... have a kUbuntu day!
[08:08] <henkka-> =D
[08:08] <henkka-> hehe to be honest im not very fond of linux after using it
[08:14] <henkka-> yey i managed to win :D
[08:38] <burr__> heenka!
[08:38] <burr__> digging that enthusiasm!
[08:38] <burr__> henkka: sorry
[08:40] <lordganesh> How to give keyboard shortcut to any script/
[08:45] <lordganesh> How to give keyboard shortcut to any script?
[08:46] <lordganesh> ?
[08:47] <lordganesh> Anyone there?
[08:49] <lordganesh> How to give keyboard shortcut to any script?
[08:53] <abhi_nav> where is kubuntu help listed? getting started with kde?
[08:54] <abhi_nav> lordganesh, in keyboard shortcut you can give address of your script and there you can set shortcut
[08:55] <lordganesh> abhi_nav: anyway solved it after  googling
[08:55] <abhi_nav> !kde
[08:56] <abhi_nav> lordganesh, ok
[08:57] <abhi_nav> how to know which version of kde i have?
[08:57] <abhi_nav> why is this channel so dead?
[09:01] <abhi_nav> I am now readig kde user guide.
[10:01] <howlymowly> hi poeple... short question: does anyone here know of a firefox4 beta 1 repository?
[10:01] <howlymowly> or a debian package to download somewhere?
[10:07] <well_laid_lawn> if it is not on getdeb or you can't find a ppa then...
[10:09] <abhi_nav> do kubuntu has 'any' keyboard shortcut?
[10:09] <Riddell> topic diff: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay Today 18:00UTC #kubuntu-devel
[10:11] <abhi_nav> kde dotn have shortcuts
[10:11] <Riddell> abhi_nav: there's plenty of keyboard shortcuts
[10:12] <abhi_nav> Riddell: I am asking only few of them from yesterday and no one is telling
[10:12] <abhi_nav> Riddell: i also search in khelpcenter none of htem listed
[10:12] <abhi_nav> :(
[10:12] <abhi_nav> Riddell: I am new to kde
[10:13] <JohnHeikkila> Hey, I think I need some help with Wicd
[10:14] <Riddell> abhi_nav: you can just look in the application's menu, any item with a keyboard shortcut will have it listed
[10:14] <abhi_nav> Riddell: no. can you please tell me shortcut for min,max,restore and desktop cube rotation?
[10:14] <JohnHeikkila> Do you have Compiz?
[10:14] <abhi_nav> Riddell: I know application specifi shortcut they work here. but another shorcts not working
[10:15] <abhi_nav> JohnHeikkila: yes I hava both compiz and kwin
[10:15] <JohnHeikkila> Okay, you could try opening Compiz settings manager
[10:15] <JohnHeikkila> And resetting the shortcuts
[10:16] <abhi_nav> JohnHeikkila: but that will reset shortcuts? but what are standard kde shortcuts?
[10:16] <JohnHeikkila> Wait..
[10:16] <abhi_nav> ok
[10:16] <JohnHeikkila> I'll check one thing
[10:17] <abhi_nav> JohnHeikkila: which one?
[10:17] <JohnHeikkila> The "global" shortcuts
[10:18] <abhi_nav> JohnHeikkila: ok
[10:18] <JohnHeikkila> http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdeedu/kiten/global-keys.html
[10:19] <JohnHeikkila> Is it that one?
[10:19] <Riddell> abhi_nav: system settings -> Shortcuts -> Global keyboard shortcuts -> select kwin from drop down -> maximise -> click on custom
[10:19] <Riddell> abhi_nav: hidden away I agree
[10:19] <abhi_nav> Riddell: what is hidden away?
[10:19] <abhi_nav> JohnHeikkila: ok i look
[10:20] <Riddell> abhi_nav: the process I describe above for adding a shortcut to window maximise
[10:21] <abhi_nav> Riddell: JohnHeikkila ok thanks.
[10:23] <JohnHeikkila> abhi_nav: No problem :)
[10:23] <JohnHeikkila> There's one thing I need help with myself
[10:23] <JohnHeikkila> I open the Wicd client, it automatically connects to internet.
[10:24] <abhi_nav> JohnHeikkila: Riddell only  one word: SIMPLY AWESOME!!!!!
[10:24] <JohnHeikkila> Then, I try to open Wicd so that I could configure the settings, but then Wicd crashes and prints "Segmentation Fault" to the console
[10:28] <Misterio> JohnHeikkila: Tried fsck?
[10:28] <JohnHeikkila> Hmm, not yet
[10:28] <JohnHeikkila> But I'll try now
[10:29] <JohnHeikkila> Umm, what should I do with fsck
[10:29] <Misterio> It checks (and repairs) errors
[10:30] <JohnHeikkila> fsck kohteesta util-linux-ng 2.17.2
[10:30] <JohnHeikkila> e2fsck 1.41.11 (14-Mar-2010)
[10:30] <JohnHeikkila> /dev/sda1 is mounted.
[10:30] <JohnHeikkila> WARNING!!!  The filesystem is mounted.   If you continue you ***WILL***
[10:30] <JohnHeikkila> cause ***SEVERE*** filesystem damage.
[10:30] <FloodBotK2> JohnHeikkila: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:30] <JohnHeikkila> Haluatko varmasti jatkaa (y/n)?
[10:30] <JohnHeikkila> oh, sorry
[10:31] <JohnHeikkila> http://paste.ubuntu.com/460142/
[10:32] <JohnHeikkila> Should I do "fsck -c" even though it says that?
[10:32] <Misterio> JohnHeikkila: When I used fsck file system was unmounted, at startup
[10:33] <JohnHeikkila> Oh
[10:33] <JohnHeikkila> so
[10:33] <JohnHeikkila> I should reboot and open the console?
[10:35] <Misterio> JohnHeikkila: Try it
[10:35] <JohnHeikkila> okay..
[10:37] <k0s> че как жись то?)
[10:37] <Misterio> !english
[10:37] <bazhang> !ru | k0s
[10:37] <abhi_nav> how can i get screenshot of desktop when i am flipping aps windows with alt + tab? i wat to show this to friend
[10:38] <bazhang> abhi_nav, screenshot or screencast (ie movie)
[10:38] <abhi_nav> bazhang, screenshot
[10:38] <Misterio> press impr pant, put retard '10 secs' and do flip
[10:38] <abhi_nav> bazhang, i want to show to friend how win flips in kde
[10:38] <Misterio> screencast? recrodmydesktop
[10:39] <Misterio> recordmydesktop*
[10:39] <bazhang> !screencast | abhi_nav
[10:39] <abhi_nav> bazhang, ok
[10:40] <abhi_nav> bazhang, done. thans
[10:40] <bazhang> abhi_nav, welcome
[10:41] <abhi_nav> :)
[10:42] <Misterio> I remember when I was newby and I made videos about compiz....
[10:42] <slow-motion> hi
[10:48] <skizorager> hi there
[10:48] <skizorager> where an i put a default device in alsa ?
[10:49] <skizorager> my "good" card work intermittent on boot (work one times for 3 boot)
[10:50] <skizorager> i configured sound default in systeme config
[10:50] <skizorager> i used alsa.d in /etc/ and alsa.conf in /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf
[10:50] <skizorager> i switched default master in kmix
[10:50] <skizorager> but doesn't work :(
[11:00] <GortiZ> hi, to all.
[11:02] <GortiZ> I'm writing a script that needs to copy some files into the desktop directory, but it works only for english version of kubuntu, since every localization has a different desktop folder name... is there any way to read the desktop-folder name so that my software could change the destination path using that name?
[11:05] <codeninja_> GortiZ: try #bash
[11:05] <Torch> codeninja_: what does bash have to do with this?
[11:06] <GortiZ> codeninja_: it's more distro related than a bash issue...
[11:06] <GortiZ> Torch: tnx
[11:10] <Torch> GortiZ: it's set by $HOME/.config/xdg-user-dirs.dirs
[11:11] <GortiZ> Torch: thanks
[11:12] <GortiZ> Torch: ~/.config/user-dirs.locale
[11:12] <GortiZ> on my system it seems to be that
[11:12] <Torch> GortiZ: maybe... i just skimmed the sources, i didn't read the whole spec ;-)
[11:12] <Torch> GortiZ: all this follows a freedesktop.org spec
[11:13] <Torch> GortiZ: you should find it on their website
[11:13] <GortiZ> Torch: i'll search on their docs, thanks
[11:36] <hackse> Hi there, I'm looking for a way to run john on more than one cpu (still one machine). Is there a way to do that, or do need the distributed version?
[11:37] <Mamarok> what is john?
[11:37] <hackse> john the ripper. (sudo apt-get install john)
[11:38] <Mamarok> I don't even know what that is, let me check
[11:39] <hackse> It's a security audit tool for checking password security (i.e. /etc/shadow). I'd like to speed it up by using more than one cpu.
[11:39] <Mamarok> hackse: I don't know what options you can give it, but -j3 is something I use when compiling to use more CPU power
[11:40] <Mamarok> which is an option for make, for example
[11:49] <keepitsimple> Why are there so many people wasting their time inventing and re-inventing Linux?  Over one hundred Linux distributions?!
[11:51] <bazhang> keepitsimple, have a kubuntu support question?
[11:51] <keepitsimple> (sorry I have moved the question to offtopic)
[11:52] <bazhang> thanks
[11:56] <Torch> hackse: afaik john the ripper isn't multithreaded and the author claims he can't make it so easily because the initial design doesn't allow for it
[12:06] <Mamarok> Torch: thanks for the info :)
[12:13] <jacks__> in which package is kdialog?
[12:15] <ubuntu_> hello world!
[12:16] <Benkinooby> jacks__, http://packages.ubuntu.com/ says there is nothing liek that
[12:16] <Benkinooby> like
[12:16] <Benkinooby> you only need to install the "kdebase-bin" package to get kdialog.
[12:18] <Benkinooby> jacks__, foind this info on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=354195 ... the thread is form 2007 but give it a shot
[12:19] <abhi_nav> !find kdialog
[12:20] <abhi_nav> :p
[12:21] <Torch> jacks__: kdebase-bin
[12:22] <jacks__> k
[12:24] <souvik> hi
[12:24] <souvik> m new here.
[12:25] <hackse> Mamarok, Torch: Tried using "j3" (for dual core). No chance. Same benchmarks. I'll try djohn(d) (distributed john).
[12:26] <souvik> hello anybody here?
[12:26] <abhi_nav> !hi | souvik
[12:26] <Torch> hackse: john the ripper is not make...
[12:27] <souvik> thanks abhi_nav
[12:27] <abhi_nav> souvik, :)
[12:27] <abhi_nav> !pm | souvik
[12:28] <abhi_nav> souvik, yes you can ask here
[12:28] <souvik> got it, thanks for guiding.
[12:29] <souvik> i wanna setup LAN of 10 computers with ubuntu.
[12:29] <abhi_nav> ubuntu?
[12:29] <souvik> i have physically connected them and ensured as they are pinging each other.
[12:30] <souvik> ubuntu or kubuntu any one of them.
[12:30] <hackse> Torch: funny. :-) I recompiled john using make -j3 <system> .... Didn't change a thing, though.
[12:30] <souvik> currently i tried with ubuntu.
[12:30] <souvik> as i said they are pinging each other.
[12:30] <Torch> hackse: well, are you trying to _run_ john or to _build_ it?
[12:30] <souvik> however, m not able to share any folder or file.
[12:31] <souvik> i have enabled nfs too.
[12:31] <nyavuz> hi, all room, i am used kubuntu 10.04  i am install gyachi 1.2.6 and when i open new chat window sent error msg,    GtkSpell error: enchant error for language: tr_TR.UTF-8  someone can help me ?
[12:32] <souvik> abhi_nav  u there?
[12:33] <abhi_nav> souvik, yes and as you are suggesting that ubuntu or kubuntu then I suggest you to ask in #Ubunut. there are more users. I dont know solution.
[12:33] <abhi_nav> souvik, is this lin to lin or lin to win sharing?
[12:33] <abhi_nav> #ubuntu
[12:33] <souvik> only ubuntu no windows.
[12:33] <abhi_nav> souvik, ok
[12:34] <souvik> can the same thing be done easily with kubuntu?
[12:34] <souvik> m new to linux, u knw.
[12:34] <abhi_nav> souvik, I am new to kde. it is easy to use. but I dont know about your problem
[12:34] <abhi_nav> souvik, prefer #ubuntu
[12:36] <abhi_nav> souvik, http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/05/19/how-to-share-files-and-folders-in-ubuntu/
[12:37] <souvik> ok, thanks
[12:38] <hackse> Torch: Well, here is the whole story: I installed john using apt-get install john. John was using only one cpu of my dual core. So I deleted it and built it manually using make j3. Then I started the manually built john. Same benchmarks, still only one cpu used. But what I need is john using all cpus.
[12:53] <souvik> how can i share files and folders in ubuntu using nfs ? any help.
[12:54] <hackse> souvik: sudo apt-get install nfs-kernel-server nfs-common
[12:55] <Pici> !nfs
[12:55] <souvik> hi hackse m new no linux. can u be musch easier to me>
[12:56] <Pici> ^ That will help as well.
[12:58] <hackse> souvik: Please type the command mentioned above in a shell for installing nfs-programs. All clients accessing data on the nfs-server need to be configured in an export list (/etc/exports). Pls. read the link above posted by ubottu for details.
[12:59] <souvik> will do that hackse. thanks for all the gesture.
[13:03] <Torch> hackse: you misunderstand. building with -jN has nothing to do with the application built, it just affects the number of CPUs used _while building_
[13:04] <Torch> hackse: like i said above, john does not appear to be using multiple CPUs under any circumstances.
[13:04] <Torch> jayne: the distributed john thingy is probably helping a little, but not much... it will still be a lot slower than if it was properly multithreaded
[13:08] <abhi_nav> hello m back
[13:08] <hackse> Torch: Thanks. You're right.   I restart!
[13:12] <ddddddddddd12> $ sudo apache2ctl restart
[13:12] <Torch> ddddddddddd12: you might need to enable the module in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled
[13:13]  * Torch forgets wether that is necessary, but it's possible.
[13:13] <ddddddddddd12> Torch  which module?
[13:13] <Torch> ddddddddddd12: php5
[13:13] <ddddddddddd12> php5.cooonf I get
[13:13] <Torch> ddddddddddd12: it's a dir full of symlinks. also has a README file, IIRC, that you  could read.
[13:13] <ddddddddddd12>  "/etc/apache2/mods-enabled$  "
[13:13] <ddddddddddd12> php5.load
[13:14] <Pici> All you should need to do is run: sudo a2enmod php5
[13:14] <ddddddddddd12> php5.conf
[13:14] <ddddddddddd12> /etc/apache2/mods-enabled$ sudo a2enmod php5
[13:14] <ddddddddddd12> This module is already enabled!
[13:14] <ddddddddddd12> )) ??
[13:15] <ddddddddddd12> wow
[13:15] <ddddddddddd12> work
[13:15] <ddddddddddd12> but what did I do?
[13:16] <Pici> I don't know.  I'm not you.
[13:18] <abhi_nav> can give me link which things microsofts stolen from kde?
[13:21] <hackse> abhi_nav: KDE is opensource. You can't steal things that are free.
[13:21] <abhi_nav> hackse, ok
[13:21] <ddddddddddd12> sudo a2enmod php5  ---->  It was magic comman ...  without her mod did not wark
[13:21] <Torch> wow, the next one.. really, how many more are going to ask the exact same question at the exact same time in #kde and #kubuntu today?
[13:23] <hackse> Torch: Well, statistically statistically
[13:24] <abhi_nav> Torch, i dont got reply from that channel. thasts why i ask here
[13:24] <hackse> Torch: Statistically there is a better chance for getting a reply if you ask it in more chat rooms ;-)
[13:24] <abhi_nav> and that was my 1st question asked on kde & kubuntu
[13:26] <Torch> abhi_nav: i did reply on #kde. please be a little patient, none of us is being paid for answering on IRC.
[13:26] <abhi_nav> Torch, i know that
[13:27] <Torch> !pm | hackse
[13:28] <BluesKaj> 'morning
[13:29] <abhi_nav> Torch, I am not new to irc. how I make feeling that I feel that you get paid? I am new to kde. thats it. and I ddnt ask 'the same time' when i ddtn get reply there then i ask here
[13:29] <hackse> Torch: your connection is secure/encrypted, right? Which is the best way to do that? I need that feature, too.
[13:30] <Torch> abhi_nav: and you waited all if 76 SECONDS between the two qeustions. nuff said.
[13:30] <Torch> hackse: should be on the freenode website somewhere... iirc it's a different port plus a checkbox in your client.
[13:30] <abhi_nav> Torch, hmmm. dont answer then.
[13:31] <Torch> abhi_nav: support channels don't work that way. you either play by the rules or you leave.
[13:31] <abhi_nav> Torch, which rule I broke?
[13:32] <bazhang> !crosspost
[13:32] <abhi_nav> 'multiple UBUNTU' channels? in which another 'UBUNTU' channel I asked that question?
[13:32] <abhi_nav> Torch, ^^
[13:32] <bazhang> abhi_nav, lets move on. please drop it
[13:32] <ddddddddddd12> mysql> show tables;
[13:32] <ddddddddddd12> ERROR 1018 (HY000): Can't read dir of './xxx/' (errno: 13)
[13:33] <ddddddddddd12> why?
[13:33] <abhi_nav> bazhang, yah fine.
[13:33] <ddddddddddd12> I am logined
[13:33] <keepitsimple> pr0n?
[13:33] <ddddddddddd12> no
[13:33] <ddddddddddd12> It is famoust name of database
[13:33] <keepitsimple> check dir/file permissions
[13:33] <starslights> hello to everyone, i will need advice to how choose the best category to report a bug about kernel update, i mean that from Lucid, i have 3 times a serious problem after updating the system (the kernel ) because at boot KDM wasn't able to find nvidia modules for kernel. Yesterday was a update and it's the third time that i get this problem. i ask while it seem that it miss headers. The only way i found to fix it was to: "sudo aptitude
[13:33] <starslights>  install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r` " who downlad two packages for the kernel and after re-compile it. i restart the system and all worked fine again. so i wiuld like to know what do you mean about that and what i must choose for argument to report the bug, since i don't belive that's a nvidia bug. thanks in advance for any help
[13:34] <ddddddddddd12> keepitsimple "dir/file permissions" ?  where located this xxx ?
[13:34] <Torch> starslights: where did you get your nvidia driver from? restricted modules? or nvidia's website?
[13:34] <ddddddddddd12> ERROR 1018 (HY000): Can't read dir of './xxx/' (errno: 13)
[13:35] <starslights> that's the nvidia-current from kubuntu
[13:35] <starslights> restricted modules
[13:35] <gigasoft> firefox looks bad under kubutnu
[13:35] <keepitsimple> ddddddddddd12: ls -ld .xxx and ls -l .xxx/
[13:35] <ddddddddddd12>  keepitsimple man!  where located databases by default ?
[13:35] <Torch> ddddddddddd12: /var/lib/mysql
[13:35] <ddddddddddd12> ok
[13:36] <Torch> starslights: and you have dkms installed and working?
[13:36] <starslights> yes, perfectlly Torch
[13:36] <hackse> abhi_nav: Torch is right, sorry. You need patience, as you're not alone here. There're hundreds of people with hundreds of questions. Every user and/or mod is trying to answer as fast and as good as possible to all of them. Again: You're not the only one here and Your questions are not more or less important than questions from other users, so relax and play by the rules (patience, respect, fairness), instead of complaining.
[13:36] <abhi_nav> hackse, #kde is ubuntu channel? I ddnt know that?
[13:36] <gigasoft> firefox looks bad under kubutnu , what should i do
[13:36] <ddddddddddd12> YES!!
[13:37] <ddddddddddd12> BUT 777????  or 755 is better to database???
[13:37] <ddddddddddd12> boing 777
[13:37] <ddddddddddd12>  ))
[13:37] <ddddddddddd12> I am guru
[13:37] <abhi_nav> hackse, and I ddnt complain. he first come after me.
[13:37] <bazhang> !permissions > ddddddddddd12
[13:37] <keepitsimple> rtfm?
[13:37] <keepitsimple> ddddddddddd12
[13:38] <bazhang> keepitsimple, keep it on topic, and those type of acronyms are never welcome
[13:38] <keepitsimple> what's wrong with reading the manual for installing and using a database?
[13:38] <keepitsimple> it's rather encouraging
[13:39] <ddddddddddd12> ubottu  sorry but I want not to speak with bot
[13:39] <bazhang> keepitsimple, suggest something concrete. what you suggested is NEVER welcome
[13:39] <starslights> i have nvidia 9400 GT n HDMI monitor, using DFP-1 Torch , my desktop using Opengl and acceleration
[13:39] <hackse> gigasoft: Looks bad? Could you be a little more precise? What exactly looks bad? The fond, menubars, colors, ...?
[13:40] <gigasoft> it looks old, somthing went wrong with gtk
[13:40] <Torch> starslights: the output of dkms status looks good? no weird messages? i'm asking beause a virtualbox update (the closed source one from oracle) broke dkms for me recently.
[13:40] <hackse> abhi_nav: Yes he did, because you're asking the same question(s) in multiple chat-rooms instead of being patient.
[13:40] <starslights> i know that their bug on actual Kernel who will fixed on the "2.6.35" for my HDMI but i don't belive that will be related
[13:41] <ddddddddddd12> BIG QUESTION
[13:42] <starslights> yeah Torch, i see that for virtualox, where need i look about that log toi be sure ?
[13:42] <keepitsimple> ddddddddddd12: not untill you ask it
[13:42] <abhi_nav> hackse, ok.             In future I wll go thru list of all users in each channel then only ask questioo. is that ok? so it wll save your time?
[13:42] <ddddddddddd12> How to organize FTP to access on my site under my linux
[13:42] <ddddddddddd12> I want to make ftp access to one ditectory
[13:43] <hackse> gigasoft: Is this old look affecting all applications or only firefox? Try <sudo apt-get -y install --reinstall firefox> to reinstall firefox.
[13:43] <gigasoft> thakns
[13:43] <starslights> Torch:  , if you mean in xorg.log , their only a problem with acpid that i must report ,
[13:44] <Torch> starslights: just run "dkms status" from a shell as root
[13:44] <Torch> starslights: it will show you all installed dkms modules for all kernels
[13:44] <BluesKaj> starslights, there are others with problems with nvidia 9400gt and the nvidia current driver ...not sure why
[13:44] <starslights> ok, thanks
[13:45] <Torch> starslights: updateing the kernel will trigger a dkms rebuild for the new kernel. on next reboot, the nvdia module should be compiled and installed and ready for use due to this.
[13:46] <Torch> starslights: so if that is not the case, dkms is the first to look at.
[13:46] <ddddddddddd12> what FTP server have linux???
[13:47] <ddddddddddd12> FTPD?
[13:47] <BluesKaj> !ftp
[13:47] <hackse> abhi_nav: Posting already answered questions would waste your own time, not mine. But it would be nice to post own questions only once, as everybody else does. Even though I repeat myself: Patience, respect and fairness. This is how the system works.
[13:47] <Torch> ddddddddddd12: vsftpd for instance
[13:48] <ddddddddddd12> I installed ftpd - it is ftp-server how I understand
[13:48] <starslights> between , i have needed to update the virtualbox due of the problem you said before but now it work fine and the same problem with the module was right after the first update on my fresh install, without any application, so i doubt that's the cause in my case, here are the log of dkms:http://paste.ubuntu.com/460199/
[13:48] <ddddddddddd12> how to configure it?
[13:49] <starslights> thanks BluesKaj for the info, that i never know, it can be explain a few problem too with others things somtimes :P but it still beautifull graphik :D
[13:50] <Torch> starslights: dkms status looks good
[13:51] <starslights> Torch: in all Lucid update , only 3 have make that problem , the others have passed
[13:51] <BluesKaj> starslights, we need to know how you fixed the problem for future reference , so I'm looking at your above post
[13:52] <starslights> between, kapackekit have me asked for the update to accept a package in complement for the kernel, maybe it have not added or not added all dependency, thanks very much for all your help, keep all your great work :D
[13:54] <starslights> BluesKaj:  i read here in chan and lot of post in kubuntu/ubuntu help and tried lot of command, but no one was useful excpeted the one i told you before, well sure i don't know all, but it was easy and all the times fixed it .
[13:58] <Guest70679> hi all!
[14:00] <Guest70679> thunderbird is crashing after updating it to 3.0.5 with a window with no text. The same starting it in safe-mode. Please, any clue?
[14:01] <BluesKaj> starslights, ok , I have your post above saved in a text file for a friend who has the same 9400 nvidia card and the same problem , thanks for for posting he fix :)
[14:01] <BluesKaj> the fix
[14:01] <starslights> you are welcome my friend, be happy if it will save some time and pc :D
[14:02] <starslights> my first time i have all formated because i don't have find a way to get it working , but by chance it was like i told you , right after the fresh install ;)
[14:18] <manifold> hi
[15:10] <edi_99> Hello all. I'm trying to turn off my desktop effect but when I try to open the Desktop panel in System Settings it crashes every single time. What should I do?
[15:15] <simion314> edi_99: right click the window title bar and select configure window behaiiour
[15:18] <edi_99> simion314: OK this works, but apparently the desktop effects are off. Now I've got two problems; 1) why does every video I watch flicker? I've got a pretty good machine, they should run smoothly. Also, why is the Desktop panel in System Settings crashing all the time - it's not normal. Any ideas?
[15:41] <solifugus> Anyone know how to make kubuntu use a different xorg driver?  (vesa, instead of noveau, in this case)
[15:57] <ddddddddddd12> hi
[15:57] <ddddddddddd12> @ubuntu:/var/lib$ sudo mysqladmin -p create test charset utf8;
[15:57] <ddddddddddd12> Enter password:
[15:57] <ddddddddddd12> mysqladmin: CREATE DATABASE failed; error: 'Can't create database 'test' (errno: 13)'
[15:57] <ddddddddddd12> WHY????
[16:00] <ddddddddddd12> guys
[16:00] <OutoLumo> Lackinb some permissions? See this: http://tinyurl.com/2v7x8ko there's described similar problem with a solution.
[16:00] <ddddddddddd12>   /var/lib$ sudo chmod 777 mysql     ANS AFTER   /var/lib$ sudo chmod 755 mysql     ))))))
[16:01] <ddddddddddd12> and then wark
[16:02] <OutoLumo> ddddddddddd12: Giving chmod 777 is generally a very bad idea... try 755 instead. And remeber to chmod the mysql directory as well.
[16:03] <OutoLumo> (Not that 755 was much better, but at least it keeps anyone from overwriting/removing the files...)
[16:03] <ddddddddddd12> OutoLumo  Man - I made 777 - and after create database ---  and after I made 755 back!!!      I am genial!
[16:04] <ddddddddddd12> I am jenius
[16:04] <ddddddddddd12> yes?
[16:04] <OutoLumo> Anyhow, I happen to be writing a script for MySQL backup for the moment :-)
[16:37] <White_Pelican> hello everyone
[16:37] <White_Pelican> it's my understanding that kde is up to 4.4.5, yet lucid is only on 4.4.2. How do I upgrade to make use of the bug fixes?
[16:42] <White_Pelican> it's my understanding that kde is up to 4.4.5, yet lucid is only on 4.4.2. How do I upgrade to make use of the bug fixes?
[16:47] <OutoLumo> bbl
[16:50] <spawn57> White_Pelican, http://www.kubuntu.org/node/157
[17:31] <dado_> salve
[17:31] <dado_> salve, chi mi aiuta  a trovare i drive di una scheda di rete broadcom?
[17:32] <dado_> grazie lo stesso
[17:34] <newboon2age_> !it
[17:45] <JuJuBee> Need help.  Just tried to upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10  and desktop is white/gray checkerboard.  Systray shows no icons  cannot right click on desktop.  Got an error about ksysguard during upgrade
[17:47] <James147> JuJuBee: try running "sudo aptitude install -f"
[17:48] <JuJuBee> James147: E: I wasn't able to locate file for the ksysguard package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. Writing extended state information... Done
[17:48] <JuJuBee> Can't seem to get rid of ksysguard
[17:49] <James147> :S
[17:49] <Scunizi> JuJuBee: in order to run the command James147 gave you... CTRL+ALT+F2 should get you to a terminal .. also run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:49] <JuJuBee> Scunizi: tried all that
[17:49] <Scunizi> ah.. k
[17:50] <Scunizi> I've got a question.... when I go to /home in Dolphin the directory show all my subdirectories including a folder for my /home.. as in .. "my user name".. when clicked nothing happens of course because I'm in my home folder.. why does it show that folder ??
[18:29] <solifugus> Would somebody please respond to this message with my nick so I can see if this irc client highlights messages to me in a particular color?
[18:29] <James147> solifugus:
[18:30] <solifugus> Yellow!!  That's it.. thanks
[18:33] <solifugus> nope.. it's a different color depending on who is making the message..  I have no way of looking back to see who might have said anything to me, other than extremely tediously reading every line..
[18:34] <Torch> solifugus: just use konversation ;-)
[18:34] <slinker1> hehe
[18:35] <slow-motion> re
[18:35] <matrixx_> or irssi :)
[18:39] <slinker2> oh my i have gotten spoiled with konversation its been a while since i used irssi :)
[18:40] <solifugus> Torch: yes.. that's my favorite.. I'm stuck with Pidgen on this particular system, though.  It's not my system.  I cannot get kubuntu up yet on my own box, because I cannot figure out how to get the video display working.. It installed Noveau driver; the nvidia driver install is broken in (k)ubuntu (currently) I hear; and I am not sure how to get vesa working (i installed it).
[18:41] <slinker1> hmm no probs with nvidia here 64bit
[18:42] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu Tutorials day in 20 minutes in #kubuntu-devel https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay
[18:47] <solifugus> slinker1: well.. I may try again.. I only have the command line to install from... Last tutorial I found on google for that didn't seem to work..
[18:48] <slinker1> solifugus: ahh what version are you installing?
[18:49] <solifugus> slinker1: I tried 10.04
[18:49] <slinker1> solifugus: what video card ?
[18:49] <solifugus> I will try 9.10, next..
[18:50] <solifugus> It's nvidia.. lspci gives a funny looking number for the type
[18:50] <solifugus> forget what it was..  have to recheck..
[18:50] <slinker1> solifugus: lappy or desktop?
[18:50] <solifugus> It's on a Dell Precision T1500
[18:51] <solifugus> The installer gives me a gui, not problem.. but not when booting after installing
[18:51] <solifugus> Ubuntu won't even give me gui from the livecd
[18:52] <solifugus> I'm pretty sure vesa driver would work..
[18:52] <slinker1> solifugus: hmmm wonder if its a quadro or a geforce probably quadro i would think
[18:52] <solifugus> yes.. it is
[18:52] <demism> how can I run a program in the background and keep it running even after I log off?
[18:53] <slinker1> solifugus: yeah looks like fx380 probably
[18:54] <Torch> solifugus: i installed the nvidia driver just fine a couple of days ago on kubuntu.
[18:54] <solifugus> Torch: do you know how to do that from the command line?
[18:54] <Torch> solifugus: i could find out
[18:55] <Torch> solifugus: "sudo apt-get install nvidia-common nvidia-current nvidia-current-modaliases nvidia-settings" should work
[18:56] <slinker1> yep should from what i can find right quickly here sorry for the delay at work :)
[18:58] <slinker1> 256.35 lists it as supported
[18:59] <solifugus> Torch: I think that's what I tried before... but not entirely sure.. So I'll try that.  Thanks..
[18:59] <solifugus> need to go
[19:02] <keepitsimple> Kubuntu Tutorials Day will start in seconds at  #kubuntu-devel
[19:05] <kyan> Hello. Installing KMLdonkey has, seemingly, caused a large number of problems with ktorrent. Any ideas for making them friendly?
[21:13] <gwrtheyrn> hi. does someone know whether i can change the background color (default a very light grey) of normal text notes in BasKet 1.0?
[21:26] <buckethead> Ok. Silly question. Why does apt-get respect my pinning prefs, but aptitude appears to be ignoring them?
[21:35] <anirudh24seven> gwrtheyrn: press F2... or Basket menu->Properties...
[22:12] <pingveno> My X session is randomly freezing. The X logs are at http://pastebin.com/1ngDjb2B . The relevant message is "
[22:12] <pingveno> 14:03 -!- raindog<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #kubuntu
[22:12] <pingveno> uh
[22:12] <pingveno> EQ overflowing. The server is probably stuck in an infinite loop.
[22:12] <pingveno> Any ideas?
[22:16] <matrixx> hmmh, I just installed 10.4 on virtual box & dist-upgraded & installed guest additions, now it's freezing on "checking battery state... [OK]" when rebooting after installation of guest additions :/
[22:16] <matrixx> any ideas what might be wrong?
[22:17] <matrixx> the installation were fine after dist-upgrade & boot, but messed up after installing guest additions
[22:50] <matrixx> nvm, got it working with some hacking
[22:57] <salpta> So is there anyone decent with "Activities" that can explain why I get crap like this: http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6088/splitwtf.jpg
[23:01] <salpta> Does Anyone use Desktop Activities?
[23:07] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  I'm running Lucid and I can't seem to get sound recording going.  When I plug my headset in I can speak and the sound comes through my speakers.
[23:08] <Ertain> My problem is that no recording program (e.g. Audacity) picks it up.
[23:08] <Ertain> I've tried fiddling with the settings (choosing one input, then choosing another input), and have tried messing with the microphone settings in Kmix (choosing mic2 instead of mic1) but to no avail.
[23:14] <salpta> Sounds like Pulseaudio strikes again, Ertain.  Try loading the rest of the PA packages (Specifically Pulseaudio Device chooser).
[23:15] <Ertain> What do you mean, salpta?
[23:18] <salpta> http://kubuntuguide.org/Lucid#PulseAudio
[23:27] <guest2> After installing kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu, Qt apps have windows95 theme under KDE.. is there a fix?


[03:52] <teward> Eickmeyer[m]: because of doko's upload of -3ubuntu1 that sits in Proposed currently, your version is busted for upload because of conflicting versions.  I'm dputting a version bumped version of -3ubuntu2 to supersede doko's FTBFS upload to proposed from yesterday (which was not needed - doko do me a favor and get in touch with me please) and get things to build.  The -3ubuntu2 does NOT contain the changes in -3ubuntu1 since...
[03:52] <teward> ... y'all are now divergent from each other
[03:53] <teward> so -3ubuntu2 based on the Ubuntu Studio git repo for it is where it'll be sourced from.
[03:53] <teward> (I didn't realize that doko uploaded -3ubuntu1 and i don't think you did either Eickmeyer[m], which just adds to what we have to do >.>)
[03:54] <doko> just upload as a new version
[03:55] <teward> I am.  -3ubuntu2 is in the process of being uploaded
[03:55] <teward> NOT why i wanted to poke you
[03:57] <teward> and, -3ubuntu2 is accepted
[03:57] <teward> which means I can go back to killing demons in DOOM :P


[01:12] <chrisccoulson> hey stgraber - about bug 409621 - can you add a jaunty task on that?
[01:31] <stgraber> chrisccoulson: sure
[01:31] <chrisccoulson> thanks:)
[01:32] <stgraber> chrisccoulson: looks like you actually added one but it needed approval
[01:33] <chrisccoulson> stgraber - yeah, i can't add them without approval outside of universe ;)
[04:20] <spstarr> is there no reason Ubuntu/Kubuntu don't just return to Ubuntu with a ballot box in installer to choose KDE or GNOME? (much like the opensuse folks have)?
[04:20] <spstarr> why create more overhead for two separate distributions unless it comes down to the LiveCD size
[04:32] <Psi-Jack__> spstarr: That's pretty much what it boils down to.
[04:34] <wgrant> spstarr: CD size is a deal-breaker, and asking new users which desktop to use is crazy.
[04:34] <wgrant> spstarr: I believe even openSUSE recently decided to not ask.
[04:34] <Psi-Jack__> wgrant: No, no, they haven't. They're sticking to it and keeping it that way. ;)
[04:34] <wgrant> And there's not too much overhead having separate Kubuntu CDs.
[04:35] <wgrant> Psi-Jack__: Ah, you're right. I misread the article.
[04:36] <Psi-Jack__> Yeah, I know. heh.. I've been an avid opensuse user since 11.0, quite nice, but has KDE 4.2 issues still.
[05:06] <spstarr> Psi-Jack__: but but.. CDs are dead ;)
[05:11] <TheMuso> There are still parts of the world where DVDs are very expensive or hard to source...
[05:12] <wgrant> And some computers still don't have DVD drives.
[05:12] <wgrant> Computers on which Ubuntu runs fine.
[05:12] <spstarr> well, if the Ubuntu installer had an option: Advanced Users [radio button]  Beginning Users [radio button]
[05:12] <spstarr> it could be implied that KDE is the advanced option and GNOME is beginner
[05:13] <wgrant> Which is perhaps the incorrect implication.
[05:13] <spstarr> well, sure you can use GNOME for advanced stuff
[05:13] <wgrant> And that option still fails to take into account that CD space is very hard to come by.
[05:13] <spstarr> im assuming the LiveCD is stripped symbols/debug?
[05:13] <wgrant> Yes.
[05:13] <spstarr> ok
[05:14] <spstarr> so you really maxed space :)
[05:14] <wgrant> The time before releases is often spent trimming a hundred kilobytes off a few packages.
[05:14] <spstarr> unless you reduced some gnome apps on the LiveCD f
[05:14] <wgrant> Just to make things fit.
[05:14] <spstarr> i guess hmm
[05:15] <wgrant> KDE is never going to fit on the same CD.
[05:15] <wgrant> And there's little need.
[05:15] <spstarr> you could bandon LiveCD --> LiveDVD (not 4.3GB one)
[05:16] <slangasek> we have DVD live ISOs.  We manage to fill those too, separately for ubuntu and kubuntu, by adding in all the things that had to be cut for a DVD
[05:17] <slangasek> for a CD, I mean
[05:17] <slangasek> translations, for instance
[05:17] <spstarr> that does add a lot of MB :)
[05:18] <wgrant> I also don't imagine that DX would like that extra option added to the installer.
[05:18] <spstarr> so is there a assumption that ubuntu/kubuntu work together though?
[05:18] <wgrant> spstarr: What do you mean?
[05:18] <spstarr> coordinating features etc
[05:19] <spstarr> where possible
[05:20] <wgrant> To an extent. Remember that they live together in the same repository, so non-GNOME-specific Ubuntu changes will be in Kubuntu too.
[05:21] <RAOF> To a certain extent; I am aware that kubuntu guys have been unhappy when some infrastructure gets upgraded before the KDE parts have been updated to work with it.
[05:21] <spstarr> yes, but i meant Canonical having enough KDE developers for kubuntu to complement what Ubuntu gives for GNOME
[05:21] <spstarr> RAOF: that's where im going...
[05:21] <maco> RAOF: like network manager? ;)
[05:21] <spstarr> we have NM applet in KDE coming along
[05:21]  * spstarr is part of the Plasma team
[05:21] <wgrant> And recently Kubuntu developers have rejected the DX team's changes to Ubuntu.
[05:22] <maco> nm's backend was upgraded without waiting for the plasma network manager to be ready
[05:22] <wgrant> eg. notify-osd, indicator-applet
[05:22] <maco> there is an indicator applet in kubuntu
[05:22] <spstarr> well, KDE 4.4 solves notification/indication (or is suppose to)
[05:22] <maco> konversation was patched to use it
[05:22] <spstarr> we're working with the gnome folks on that
[05:22] <wgrant> maco: Ah, I didn't realise they ended up giving in.
[05:22] <maco> wgrant: its only for the gnome apps to talk to while in kde though :P
[05:23] <spstarr> see the following thread on that:
[05:23] <maco> wgrant: a konversation patch does exist that they were using for testing though
[05:23] <wgrant> maco: That's what I thought, but then you mentioned Konversation...
[05:23] <wgrant> Ah.
[05:23] <maco> wgrant: pending upstream's acceptance of the konversation patch, itll be in the released version
[05:24] <spstarr> lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg basically
[05:24] <spstarr> maco: there's no need for any of that, KDE/GNOME both are working on the updated notification spec
[05:24] <maco> one of the kubuntu devs asked what the indicator applet is, and i told them its basically teh DX team trying to copy the little "i" in the kde systray
[05:25] <spstarr> also systray spec
[05:26] <spstarr> so afaik, why would konversation need this patch?
[05:26] <maco> because the new spec's not done yet?
[05:26] <spstarr> im not sure, I have not heard any updates on it
[05:26] <TheMuso> I see a lot of these sort of changes that are being done in Ubuntu as things that are needed now, but upstream aren't ready to formalize yet, although things are getting close.
[05:27] <spstarr> yes
[05:27] <spstarr> With FDO now reorganizing finally, we should see more colaboration
[05:27] <maco> gnome has no way to do the "i" thing thats in kde, so the indicator applet exists.  gnome apps cant talk to the little "i" thing (doh!) so one has to exist on kde even though its already got that feature native
[05:28] <spstarr> collaboration
[05:28] <maco> hopefully
[05:28] <maco> cuz its really annoying having things that appear desktop-wide be inconsistent just because 1 app is from gnome
[05:28] <spstarr> yes
[05:29] <spstarr> Hopefully, GCDS spawns more collaborated conferences too
[05:29] <spstarr> even though GNOME/KDE will never be unified, our backends can get closer
[05:29] <spstarr> common things like Kwallet/gnome keychain etc
[05:30] <maco> akonadi
[05:30] <maco> though it ate my address book last month :(
[05:30] <spstarr> I hope akonadi adds a sqlite backend so i dont need mysql ;p
[05:30] <spstarr> maco: is gnome using akonadi or considering it?
[05:31] <maco> there's talk of making evolution able to
[05:31] <maco> would be nice for future desktop-switchers
[05:31] <maco> as it is, much of my data is locked up in evolution and wont import correctly into kontact
[05:32] <spstarr> maco: i dont see it as switchers but as in GNOME/KDE getting Exchange support etc
[05:32]  * spstarr bites into the last grape and savours it
[05:34] <spstarr> FLOSS is about choice, but giving each of our communities more shared functionality is a win for everyone
[05:34] <spstarr> :)
[05:40] <spstarr> i was just more curious on some other things :)
[05:42]  * spstarr is seriously considering moving back to Buntu but im stuck until the radeon changes in Fedora filter to upstream fully i have Kubuntu/Ubuntu Karmic in a VirtualBox
[05:44] <spstarr> I'm assuming 'ubuntu-desktop' meta package is enough to get me full GNOME within Kubuntu?
[05:44] <spstarr> yep :)
[05:44] <spstarr> 469 :)
[05:44] <spstarr> almost 1GB will be needed
[05:45] <spstarr> i need to keep track of GNOME as a KDE developer ;)
[06:10]  * spstarr looks a GNOME loading from Kubuntu
[06:11] <spstarr> Might I ask how will GNOME 3.0 impact Ubuntu's mission of allowing developed nations access to Open Source when they are going to require (3D)/Composite?
[06:13] <Psi-Jack__> Interesting question I might add. ;)
[06:13] <spstarr> indeed
[06:13] <spstarr> this conflicts with Ubuntu's goals
[06:13] <spstarr> now i dont know how old computers are being used in developed nations
[06:13] <spstarr> so I wouldn't know if this would impact enough or not
[06:14] <Psi-Jack__> Well, I can tell you, I have a lot of old systems being used at home here as a server farm. ;)
[06:16] <spstarr> with X used?
[06:22]  * spstarr clicks the examination mark icon and boggles.. what actually crashed to cause a problem(?!)
[06:28] <spstarr> hmm
[06:28] <spstarr> Sorry, the program "Xorg" closed unexpectedly
[06:28] <spstarr> ORLY? im still in X :)
[06:29]  * spstarr boggles
[06:30] <Psi-Jack__> spstarr: Oh no. Not with X. I use X only on..... 1 system I think presently? My workstation, and I use KDE on it. ;)
[06:30] <spstarr> :)
[06:31] <spstarr> i wonder if Buntu/Debian will pick up the idea if deltarpms -> deltadebs
[06:31] <spstarr> i dont know if there's talk but this would serious help save bandwidth
[06:31] <spstarr> if its possible with deb
[06:32] <TheMuso> spstarr: There is work going into something similar, don't know where its up to though.
[06:33] <spstarr> oh very nice
[06:35] <spstarr> very nice bug reporting system
[06:35] <spstarr> i triggered bug #405667
[06:36] <spstarr> i like how it matches summary with the error summary in launchpad eliminating some duplication
[06:40] <spstarr> oh
[06:40] <spstarr> 2005 was my Ubuntu
[06:40] <spstarr> Bragging rights Member since: 2005-09-29
[06:40] <spstarr> :)
[06:43] <spstarr> so i came into the game a year or so late :P
[08:05] <melwyn> hi
[08:53] <andresmujica> how can i test a symptom based apport, the ui part i mean ?
[11:46] <debfx> could someone please unsubscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors from bug #310769 (package has been moved to universe)
[12:22] <Yoe> ogra: why do you guys start nbd-client without -persist, only to switch to -persist later? (re: your comment in LP#417506)
[12:23] <Yoe> ogra: isn't it better to just start with -persist to begin with?
[14:19] <mok0> Is it possible to pin a certain version of a package, so it's NOT sync'ed from unstable?
[14:24] <tgpraveen1> hyperair: ping
[14:24] <tgpraveen1> is there a reason why there is not up to date banshee ppa for jaunty? even banshee unstable ppa is 2.5 months out of date
[14:27] <StevenK> mok0: At this point, syncing is manual anyway?
[14:30] <hyperair> tgpraveen1: is that so?
[14:30] <hyperair> what's the latest version of banshee?
[14:30] <tgpraveen1> hyperair: well i dont think they released a new version
[14:31] <hyperair> tgpraveen1: well then, do you have your answer?
[14:31] <tgpraveen1> i think they are going to diretly release 1.6 on aug 31
[14:31] <tgpraveen1> or something
[14:31] <hyperair> yes
[14:31] <tgpraveen1> but if it's the unstable ppa
[14:31] <tgpraveen1> then shouldnt it be updated to
[14:31] <hyperair> it's the *unstable* ppa, but not hte *daily* ppa
[14:31] <mok0> StevenK: yes, I would like to pin the version for karmic+1
[14:31] <tgpraveen1> so that it includes the new bug fixes etc
[14:31] <hyperair> unfortunately not. =\
[14:32] <tgpraveen1> hyperair: ok.i am on jaunty is there any ppa to get the latest or nearly latest
[14:32] <hyperair> that is the latest
[14:32] <tgpraveen1> ver ie a weekly or monthly or daily
[14:32] <hyperair> there's a daily
[14:32] <hyperair> launchpad.net/~banshee-team/+archive/banshee-daily
[14:32] <tgpraveen1> hyperair: its for karmic only iirc
[14:32] <hyperair> yes
[14:32] <hyperair> i haven't gotten round to bringing jaunty support, sorry
[14:33] <tgpraveen1> so u know of any other ppa for that?
[14:33] <tgpraveen1> or do u plan to bring jaunty support for daily if it aint to difficult
[14:33] <tgpraveen1> ?
[14:33] <hyperair> yes, i plan to bring jaunty support
[14:34] <hyperair> when i have time
[14:34] <tgpraveen1> k. thx
[14:34] <tgpraveen1> any approx time frame 1 week? 1 month? to give rough idea
[14:36] <hyperair> tgpraveen1: i can't say. i've got a very nice and long todo list which will take some time to trim down =(
[14:37] <hyperair> tgpraveen1: at least, not this week, and not next week either.
[14:37] <tgpraveen1> ok. thx for ur help hyperair
[14:37] <hyperair> np
[14:42] <thedancingdeer> bryce: i want to run svgalib programs(c programs with vga libraries) without root permissions! how do i do that!
[14:43] <hyperair> since when does svgalib require root permissions?
[14:46] <thedancingdeer> hyperair: yes they do! umm, donno since when but it gives an error :"svgalib: Cannot get I/O permissions."
[14:47] <hyperair> try strace the program and see what it's trying to access =\
[14:48] <thedancingdeer> hyperair: didn't get you! tracing what try program is tryin 2 access?
[14:49] <hyperair> hmm wait
[14:49] <hyperair> it seems that svga requires root access after all, eh
[14:49] <thedancingdeer> hyperair: well, its the tty, the terminal, when i do sudo ./a.out goes to the tty!
[14:49] <hyperair> http://www.svgalib.org/svgalib.user.faq.html
[14:49] <thedancingdeer> hyperair: yeah! exactly! so i dont want this!
[14:50] <hyperair> then don't use svgalib apps
[14:51] <thedancingdeer> well, i dont have this option! the thing is, i'm using this as a replacement for graphics.h to run simple c programs for students! so i dont want them to have have root permissions and mess with the system!
[14:52] <thedancingdeer> hyperair: i thought there could be some way to give the user permissions to access svgalib or whatever!
[14:52] <hyperair> looks like not
[14:58] <mandrew> hello anyone here on the dev team of ubuntu 9.10?
[15:03] <mandrew> im looking for anyone thats on the dev team of 9.10
[17:31] <penguin42> Does anyone know of docs that describe the hibernate process and how everything is supposed to interact with it?
[17:32]  * penguin42 has a bug where screenlock doesn't kick in on hibernate but also I'm curious if there is a way to hook other things (e.g. unmount and lock a luks disc) on hibernate
[17:40] <fbond> Hi.  What document describes the official policy for what belongs in hardy, hardy-updates, hardy-security?  If I don't enable hardy-updates or hardy-security, do I get exactly what was originally released in 8.04?
[17:58] <Amaranth> fbond: yes, without hardy-updates, hardy-security, hardy-backports, etc you end up with exactly what was in the original 8.04 release
[17:59] <geser> fbond: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for what goes in -updates and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for what does in -security
[18:00] <kees> fbond: and you absolutely do not want to do that -- Hardy (as released) contains a critical bug in the openssl library.
[18:01] <kees> fbond: you want -security at the very least
[18:02] <fbond> kees: Thanks, just trying to understand the policy.  I'm building a product on top of Ubuntu and need to have a release policy that sits on top of Ubuntu's and makes sense.
[18:03] <fbond> Is there any way to construct a sources.list that will give me a system that contains exactly 8.04.1 or 8.04.2, etc.?
[18:04] <fbond> How can I deteremine which package versions are designated for a given point release?
[18:05] <kees> fbond: dunno about that.  products on top of Ubuntu should be release + -security + -updates :)
[18:06] <fbond> kees: Right, but I need some kind of package version control so I can say two different release builds are "the same" i.e. contain the same package versions.
[18:07] <fbond> Pulling from the live archives doesn't give me that, so I guess I need to create frozen archive mirrors that represent a particular release.
[18:09] <fbond> kees: Do you agree that freezing the archive is the only way to say a particular install is precisely 8.04.2 (e.g.)?
[18:12] <fbond> (In other words, there are only two things I can get from the archives directly using just sources.list: precisely 8.04 and 8.04+latest.)
[18:12] <fbond> (Ignoring the difference between -security and -updates.)
[18:27] <fbond> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PointReleaseProcess indicates that an archive snapshot is made for point releases.  Is this snapshot publicly accessible somewhere?
[18:27] <kees> fbond: slangasek may be able to answer that, though he may not be responsive until tomorrow.
[18:28] <fbond> kees: Okay, thanks.  I'll ping him.
[18:29] <fbond> slangasek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PointReleaseProcess indicates that an archive snapshot is made for point releases.  Is this snapshot publicly accessible somewhere?
[21:23] <andresmujica> how can i put some predefined text in the Further Information box  with apport?
[22:27] <Primefalcon> quick question also for anyone out there, I do some basic C++ along with other langauges and am wondering what would be a good way to start participating in helping Ubuntu what avenue par say?
[22:27] <Mez> hmm... ok, this is weird.
[22:27] <Mez> Someone's hijacked a package before it's even gotten through new
[22:57] <Laney> Is one of them the ITPer?


[15:35] <dpb1_> smoser: I thought the best time was 1700 UTC
[15:35] <smoser> i converted wrong when i said that.
[15:36] <dpb1> smoser: ah
[15:36] <smoser> 10:00 US/Mountain == Mon, 10 Jul 2017 10:00:00 -0600 == Mon, 10 Jul 2017 16:00:00 +0000
[15:36] <smoser> at least per GNU date
[15:36] <dpb1> smoser: because we are in GMT
[15:36] <smoser> which i trust more than myself
[15:36] <dpb1> err
[15:36] <dpb1> because we are in DST
[15:36] <dpb1> stupid dst
[15:45] <rharper> lol
[15:48] <dpb1> and... gnu date.
[15:48] <dpb1> amazing
[15:55] <smoser> rharper, control capture fails.
[15:55] <rharper> generically ?
[15:55] <smoser> well, capture succeeds, launch fails
[15:55] <rharper> = /
[15:55] <smoser>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/24964022/
[15:55] <smoser> paulmey, ^
[15:55] <smoser> is that known to you?
[15:56] <smoser> basically i launched an instance in the portal, then click 'capture'. then launch an instance from it and it is not reachable from network , and console log above.
[15:57] <smoser> note, I did ignore the suggestion that i should run some 'walinuxagent -deprovision' command.
[15:57] <smoser> next is to see if that "fixes" it.
[15:57] <smoser> that was 17.04 that i launched.
[16:32] <larsks> smoser: aaaaaaaaah, my inbox asplode with launchpad...
[16:33] <powersj> lol
[16:33] <dpb1> yay!!!!
[16:33] <dpb1> I mean, not yay for your inbox... :)
[17:05] <smoser> larsks, how come ?
[17:05] <smoser> did mine ?
[17:06] <powersj> smoser: sru was released, so all the emails about this bug was fixed just came in
[17:06] <larsks> Yeah, that ^^^^^ :)
[17:06] <smoser> ah.
[17:08] <smoser> hm..
[17:08] <smoser> paulmey, around ?
[17:11] <smoser> here is log on an instance where i *did* run 'sudo waagent -deprovision+user' before capture
[17:11] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24964566/
[17:15] <smoser> rcj, or Odd_Bloke ?
[17:16] <smoser> have you ever done this ?
[17:16] <smoser> launch an instance in azure, hit 'capture' and then launch a new instance from that one ?
[17:16] <smoser> my new instances seem to be firewalled off
[18:15] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: I have, but I've generally just `rm -rf /var/lib/{cloud,waagent}`d.
[18:54] <smoser> rharper, https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/326373
[18:58] <smoser> rharper, have to fix unit tests, but that worked for 'clean' instance.
[18:58] <rharper> k
[18:58] <smoser> but unit tests:
[18:58] <smoser>  FAILED (errors=38, failures=1)
[18:58] <rharper> erg
[18:58] <smoser> all just because we're doing less in get_data()
[18:59] <rharper> well, there was some left over stuff
[18:59] <rharper> smoser: reviewing now
[19:34] <smoser> rharper, "we should set this (line 497 -- blacklist = ['mlx4_core']) as a default in the builtins ds configuration I think."
[19:34] <smoser> not sure what you meant there.
[19:34] <rharper> smoser: in the top of the azure DS, tehre are defaults in the built-in ds config
[19:35] <rharper> I was suggesting that this not be part of the network_config attribute, but a property of the DS itself
[19:35] <smoser> i think at the momemnt we dont have any use case for it being a different value...
[19:35] <smoser> no reason for the user to configure it, right?
[19:37] <rharper> sure
[19:42] <smoser> rharper, ok. i think that tests will pass and that i've addressed your comments.
[19:42] <smoser> i will update the commit message here.
[19:42] <rharper> k
[19:57] <rharper> re-reviewing
[20:02] <rharper> smoser: looks good; do we have that in a ppa?  I can run that through some instance testing;  do you have the instructions for doing the "capture, update cloud-init, boot new instance" ?
[20:03] <smoser> rharper, you can just build from trunk there. i can upload to a ppa, but you can build just as quick.
[20:04] <smoser> and for "capture"...
[20:04] <smoser> I just
[20:04] <smoser> a.)launch instance from UI
[20:04] <rharper> smoser: sure; just checking if you already had one built
[20:04] <smoser> b.) ssh in , dpkg -i cloud-init , rm -Rf /var/lib/cloud /var/lib/waagent /var/log/cloud-init
[20:04] <smoser> c.) 'capture' on the azure portal
[20:04] <smoser> d.) launch an instance from that image in the portal
[20:56] <rharper> smoser: is it ok to ignore that 'wala deprovision' warning on capture in the portal? or is that what the rm on the /var/lib/waagent is doing?
[20:57] <smoser> rm -Rf /var/lib/cloud /var/log/cloud-init /var/lib/walinuxagent
[20:57] <smoser> is sufficient to do that
[20:57] <smoser> you're welcome to run the command they provide
[20:57] <rharper> np


[00:04] <HardDisk> I would like to be removed as operator from #ubuntu-eg please and if someone comes forward to apply fair enough.  I am tired of the childish behavior and actions by the  Egypt Team, therefore if they want the channel they can have it.
[01:22] <m4v> HardDisk: if you want to be removed of the access list of #ubuntu-eg, you can do that by yourself, you have enough privileges.
[06:46] <noxprime> hi!
[06:52] <noxprime> just to notify that I created the channel #ubuntu-ci for Côte d'Ivoire LoCo Team
[06:52] <noxprime> Thanks
[07:04] <noxprime> please how can I get and use a bot in my team channel ?
[07:06] <jussi> noxprime:  1 moment
[07:07] <jussi> lubotu3: join #ubuntu-ci
[07:52] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:53] <Tm_T> shouldn't it go like "buntu-[twolettercountrycode]-[rest]
[07:53] <Tm_T> "
[07:58] <jussi> Tm_T: isnt it doing that?  or is Côte d'Ivoire not ci ?
[07:58] <Tm_T> I don't know, I havent woken up yet (:
[07:59] <jussi> hehe
[08:00] <Tm_T> it is CI, ignore me
[08:03]  * jussi hugs Tm_T