[00:00] <koshar1>  greendot another option would be boot a machine with ethernet with a livecd, install the wifi on that machine in the live session, make a aptoncd disk, and use the disk on the unconnected machine
[00:00] <koshar1> Khisanth: i agree, it would only need to be connected until the wifi was established
[00:00] <chetnick> my sound icon in the upper right corner is not there any more. How can i put it back?
[00:00] <Khisanth> koshar1: oops actually messing up the unit, maybe not 100 meters but 100ft should still be good enough
[00:00] <chetnick> never mind found it
[00:00] <carandraug> chetnick: right click in the pannel and select add to panel..
[00:01] <chetnick> :)
[00:01] <Khisanth> unless it's a really big house
[00:01] <nrg_> ok
[00:01] <thenetduck> ink-1: Hi sorry I don't mean to come off winny... anyway, I am trying to get active hard drive protction on my ThinkPad and I have found this wikipage that explains everything.. I think : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardDiskShockProtection
[00:01] <greendot> koshar1: i'm going to download all the debs, and how would i install them from the command line?
[00:01] <Crshman> hi all i followed this tutorial to see if i could get PA working...http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5587712&postcount=472 but now i don't have any sound
[00:01] <koshar1> Khisanth actuall ethernet is rated at 100M best case scenarion
[00:01] <thenetduck> ink-1: I would like to get it working but am at a loss on how to get everything installed, up and running
[00:01] <Crshman> when i try to play something i get an error that says "failed to connect to stream"
[00:01] <rconan> greendot, you can just put them in /var/cache/apt/sources.list then use apt-get aptitude or synaptic as you normally would
[00:01] <Khisanth> koshar1: yeah but a 100 meter cable might not be cheaper
[00:02] <thenetduck> ink-1: it seems simple i just don't understand what I need to do to get it working
[00:02] <koshar1> greendot: you would need to make a packages fuile and then use apt or synaptic, if you tried to install them via gdebi you would be plunged into dependency hell
[00:02] <rconan> Khisanth, is 100 meters not longer than a network cable can be and still be within standards
[00:02] <ink-1> thenetduck: sorry, I have never used an IBM laptop
[00:02] <thenetduck> ink-1: and I don't know how to apply a batch to a kernel...
[00:02] <thenetduck> ink-1: ok
[00:03] <thenetduck> has anyone here gotten Active Hard Drive Protection working on a thinkpad?
[00:03] <koshar1> rconan over 100 meters and installed within the intended specifications and theres no garuntee it will work
[00:03] <thenetduck> or know how to patch a kernel
[00:03] <lwizardl> does RS232 to USB adapters work properly under Ubuntu (ie RS232 Serial -> USB port)
[00:03] <rconan> lwizardl, should do
[00:04] <dennister> pulseaudio help anyone? server is now started, but there don't seem to be any default sinks or sources
[00:04] <Crshman> ^ i have the same issue
[00:04] <rconan> lwizardl, can't say i've ever heard of or seen anyone try though
[00:04] <Gh0sty> just loose pulse
[00:04] <Alan_M> !hardware
[00:04] <Gh0sty> have done it, works fine with alsa only
[00:05] <koshar1> greendot: si in summary if you wanted togo down that path you could, you would need to manually download all the packages n say a flash drive and add them to a folder on your destinationmachine, and everytime you added another package run scanpackages... to update the packages file
[00:05] <koshar1> greendot and add the folder in synaptic as a repository
[00:05] <Kohlrak-Server> does anyone know the file and directory for the xserver resolution file?
[00:05] <greendot> okay wait a second, Ubuntu can access my external HDD
[00:06] <greendot> i'll put the files in a folder called "ndiswrapper"
[00:06] <kcman1> carandraug hey thanks the k3b worked like a champ
[00:06] <greendot> what do i do from there to intall them all?
[00:06] <Otacon22> how can i know how much is old the locate database?
[00:06] <Eonx> 4270
[00:06] <gRaCiOsO> someone know about wireless
[00:06] <rconan> koshar1, can he not just copy them into /var/cache/apt/archives, that's what i normally do in similar situations
[00:06] <gRaCiOsO> ?
[00:06] <koshar1> greendot this is basicly the procedure https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Personal
[00:06] <rconan> !wifi | gRaCiOsO
[00:07] <rconan> koshar1, that is overkill for this situation i think
[00:07] <koshar1> rconan he could but he would still need to reconstruct the packages file
[00:07] <carandraug> kcman1: you welcome. Glad you got it working
[00:07] <rconan> koshar1, well i never have done that, it always works for me
[00:07] <koshar1> rconan the package manager looks at the packages file NOT the contents of the cache folder for packages
[00:07] <gRaCiOsO> rconan,  i have read that but i couldnt get log with wpa encryption only wep
[00:08] <freedumMan> Anyone have issues with Firefox 3 crashing on certain button clicks? ive installed 2.0 but i'd love to get 3.0 back asap !
[00:08] <greendot> okay..........fuck
[00:08] <jfincher> how do I change my window manager in Ubuntu?
[00:08] <greendot> koshar1: the file i have to download to do this has a billion dependancies as well
[00:08] <rconan> gRaCiOsO, then ask a specific question not a general one, unfortunately i can't help with your problem
[00:09] <koshar1> greendot: you could install dpkg-dev manually as it only has a couple of dependencys IIRC
[00:09] <greendot> so how do i set up soemthing to handle this if i have nothing to handle it to begin with
[00:09] <gRaCiOsO> rconan,  well i have asking all the afternoon here and reading too
[00:09] <Nutzebahn> Hello. How do I change the color depth settings in Ubuntu?
[00:09] <greendot> binutils, bzip2, cpio, dpkg, libtimedate-perl, lzma, make, patch, perl-modules, perl5, and god knows how many those each have to each other
[00:10] <favro> jfincher: at login click the options button and select change session
[00:10] <vendego> DCC SEND "pok" 0 0 0
[00:10] <rconan> greendot, i think you're in luck, most of those will have little or no dependancies
[00:10] <koshar1> greendot i always keep a persoanl repository using this methood on my ipod as i maintain 3 machines without web access, however it is MUCh easier if the machine you use to downlaod the packages is getting the packages with a package manager
[00:10] <jfincher> favro: thanks
[00:10] <jfincher> I'll try that
[00:10] <favro> :)
[00:11] <greendot> koshar1: the ndiswrapper-utils has only 8 dpenedancies
[00:11] <dfgas> how do i get desktop icons to default to right side
[00:11] <koshar1> greendot double click on the dpkg-dev.deb package and it will open using gdebi graphicval package installer, and will prompt you wjhat dependencies it needs
[00:11] <greendot> i'd rahter just install those wihtout having to install more than i need
[00:11] <dfgas> i can't find anything on google
[00:11] <KleinerHai> ah...ndiswrapper...does it came out of the box with wep support?
[00:12] <rconan> greendot, if you're prepared to listen to me over koshar1 i would be willing to bet you can just put them in /var/cache/apt/archives and it will work with no further trouble
[00:12] <koshar1> greendot the problem is the 8 dependencies may have a further 8 dependedcies and so forth...
[00:12] <greendot> i already got them all koshar1
[00:12] <greendot> all the ones that they each depend on, and their childrens children as well
[00:13] <greendot> rconan, /var/cache/apt/archives?
[00:13] <koshar1> greendot: well you could use gdebi
[00:13] <greendot> koshar1: if i did it rconan's way, would that work as well?
[00:13] <favro> dfgas: if you drag them where you want them they should be there next time
[00:13] <rconan> greendot, yes, it's where apt normally puts its package files before installation, i'm almost certain it will check there for them before trying to download
[00:13] <koshar1> greendot rconan,s methood may work but you will hit a snag if the package ISNT in the packages file with the correct version
[00:14] <greendot> i made sure i got all the correct versions
[00:14] <greendot> i'm not supid, i just don't have a way to apt-get yet
[00:14] <greendot> lol
[00:14] <koshar1> greendot sone packages have a depedency equil to or greater than another version number ect.
[00:15] <rconan> greendot, i've done this before in similar situations and it worked for me
[00:15] <greendot> koshar1: the ubuntu package search tells me what version i needed, linked me to it, and gave me the download links
[00:15] <Dedi>  anyone has a good postfix reject_rbl_client config for recipient/helo/sender restriction?
[00:16] <Khisanth> well if that doesn't work you can still use gdebi or dpkg -i :)
[00:16] <rconan> greendot, the problem will occur if ubuntu package search knows about versions which your computer doesn't know about because your packagelists are out of date
[00:16] <koshar1> greendot apt or synaptic will only wok if it knows where the file is and this is determined by it being in the packages file, gdebi doesnt care about that as it expects you to manually meet the dependencies
[00:16] <chetnick> Is it safe now to upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 without having major problems after upgrade. I had very very bad exeperince after upgrading from Feisty to Gutsy. Had to do clean install.
[00:16] <greendot> so koshar1: if this doesn't work, how do i do the gdebi way?
[00:16] <carandraug> greendot: the script, the synaptic package manager generates it's a simple bash script with wget. You can open it in a Windows and see the link for all deb files you need. I think that's the easiest thing to do
[00:17] <snikker> i'm unable to see the complete window of dvdrip, even if i clink on maximize icon... someone have my same problem?
[00:17] <greendot> well, i'm going to go try this
[00:17] <greendot> and if it works i'll be happy
[00:17] <greendot> wish me luck guys
[00:18] <koshar1> greendot: double click the *deb file and gbebi will atemp to install the package. if its dependedcies arnt met it will let you know which package to install, so the packages will need to be installed in the correct order.
[00:18] <carandraug> greendot: good luck which whatever method you try
[00:18] <greendot> alright, i'll be back to let you guys know one way or the other
[00:18] <Gnea> chetnick: yes, you may hit a snag with locale generation, but it's pretty easy to get through
[00:18] <koshar1> greendot eg if 1.deb depends on 2.deb which depends on 3.deb you will have to install 3 first then 2 then 1 :-)
[00:19] <Gnea> !upgrade | chetnick
[00:19] <chetnick> Gnea: ok thanks, i would go for it, but currently i dont have any space to backup system.
[00:20] <chetnick> Wish me luck :)
[00:20] <Gnea> :)
[00:20] <anom01y> hi, I have a strange problem with my sound
[00:21] <anom01y> need help to try and fix the problem
[00:22] <jax> i just got my ati hd3850 agp card working with ubuntu, yippie
[00:22] <freedumMan> Anyone have issues with Firefox 3 crashing on certain button clicks? ive installed 2.0 but i'd love to get 3.0 back asap !
[00:24] <Gnea> !sound | anom01y
[00:24] <korupted> whats a good email small email client something like evolution but smaller in size mb wise
[00:24] <carandraug> freedumMan: could you give me the link to the page with the button that crashes Firefox
[00:25] <Flannel> korupted: Just email? or calendaring etc as well?
[00:26] <korupted> just email for sending recieving
[00:26] <korupted> :0
[00:26] <carandraug> freedumMan: Sorry, don't bother. I forgot I still haven't upgraded in this computer
[00:27] <godmode117> hi, im having problems burning cds. i put a blank disc in and nothing happens, when i go to a burning program it tells me theres no device/no cd
[00:27] <freedumMan> carandraug, every button on every page
[00:28] <carandraug> freedumMan: oh! That is strange. I thought it was only some buttons (you said "crashing on certain button clicks?"). No idea, sorry
[00:28] <korupted> Flannel, just a email client to send mail and receive email for a pop3 server :).
[00:28] <freedumMan> carandraug, its random a page could work but mostly on POST buttons
[00:29] <freedumMan> its not related to a certain page
[00:29] <freedumMan> just happens freq almost every click but sometimes i can get away with a few clicks
[00:31] <porncake> how come when i drop the themes i download from gnome-look.org in appearance -> themes it says this is not a theme file, do i need some sort of a special theme manager?
[00:31] <godmode117> hi, im having problems burning cds. i put a blank disc in and nothing happens, when i go to a burning program it tells me theres no device/no cd
[00:32] <godmode117> this is such a frustrating problem
[00:32] <carandraug> !repeat | godmode117
[00:32] <carandraug> freedumMan: I really don't know. Make sure you're not using firefox development version. I've had problems before with it
[00:32] <godmode117> ok sorry, its just a frustrating problem
[00:32] <Sake> how do apt packages get added to the repositories?
[00:33] <freedumMan> carandraug, how do i know if its the dev one?
[00:33] <mds58> godmode: u did mount the drive right?
[00:33] <godmode117> idk
[00:33] <carandraug> godmode117: I believe you. I don't know how to solve it but does the drive reads cd's that you know have data on it? Or is it only blank Cd's?
[00:33] <godmode117> it only on blank cds
[00:34] <godmode117> ive burned cd with it before though
[00:34] <godmode117> cds*
[00:34] <jnmzwang> hello
[00:34] <godmode117> i just cant rember how i got it to mount it
[00:35] <platyhelminth> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_HThU7MFwI
[00:35] <carandraug> freedumMan: open firefox, go to Help and take a look at about Mozilla Firefox. You can also check the version in the terminal "firefox3 -v". I think firefox 3 is the command but I can't check 'cos I don't have it in this computer
[00:36] <korupted> Flannel, I found one Sylpheed. think this will be good enough thank you :)
[00:36] <freedumMan> what am i looking for
[00:36] <carandraug> godmode117: even if you have burned Cd's with before, it doesn't mean it's still working. Mine stopped working from one day to the other (guess it grew old). Try reading a normal data CD and see if it worls
[00:37] <godmode117> ok ill try that
[00:37] <carandraug> freedumMan: if you're using a development version it probably says it somewhere. Maybe only dev or rc or release candidate
[00:37] <kraypius> how do I shut down the desktop but leave everything except the gui crap running so i can return to command prompt?
[00:37] <godmode117> brb
[00:37] <freedumMan> its not
[00:38] <dVs> crtl-alt-F1
[00:38] <mds58> trying to load ubuntu latest version on my desktop.....it stops loadind and has a line " (initramfs) " what do I do?
[00:38] <cwill747> kraypius: yeah, control-alt-f1
[00:38] <Sake> how do I do a ctrl-alt-backspace from the command line?
[00:38] <dVs> hehehe
[00:38] <dVs> i dont know anything bout linux but i know ya cant do that
[00:39] <Sake> I thought there was like a "gdm restart" or something like that
[00:39] <dVs> oh .. well i have no idea .
[00:39] <dVs> :/
[00:39] <Sake> anyone?
[00:39] <Rhodetrem> I see Pidgin 2.5.0 has been released and is in the intrepid packages - can I use these on hardy?
[00:39] <carandraug> freedumMan: then I don't sorry. Sorry, if I can't be of help
[00:39] <dVs> i cant get anything working
[00:39] <kcman1> ok how do i open the menu bar to arrange the menu bars themselves
[00:39] <cwill747> kcman1: right click and hit edit menu
[00:39] <godmode117> back
[00:40] <godmode117> whats the terminal command to mount my cd drive?
[00:40] <cwill747> kcman1: (right click on the menu)
[00:40] <mds58> has anyone else had trouble loading the latest version of ubuntu?
[00:40] <rp3> kcman1 system-preferences-main menu
[00:40] <ryaxnb> What's that really lightweight FM that goes on WMs? You know, the not-Pcmanfm, GTK2, not emelfm one...
[00:41] <Leefmc> Question: Anyone know anything about getting an MX Revolution to work with Ubuntu? Mine works with my laptop, but not my Mac Pro
[00:41] <koshar1> godmode117 man mount
[00:41] <Nutzebahn> Hello. How do I change the color depth settings in Ubuntu?
[00:41] <rp3> kcman1: of course right click on the menu it self is faster :)
[00:41] <carandraug> godmode117: "mount -t iso9600 /path_to_device /path_to_mount_point" not sure about the iso9600 part. Take a look at man mount
[00:41] <koshar1> Leefmc: iam using a rev now but havnt bothered to set up the extra buttons
[00:41] <fsufitch> Nutzebahn: depends on the video card you're using
[00:42] <kcman1> rp3 there is no edit option
[00:42] <Kohlrak-Serve1> does anyone know the location of the user specific configuration files for the xserver?
[00:42] <cwill747> carandraug: you only need the iso9600 if you're mounting a .iso file i think
[00:42] <Leefmc> koshar1: On my laptop, half of the buttons worked by default. On my mac pro, basically nothing but the basic 3 buttons works. Ubuntu doesn't even see the mouse beyond a generic mouse.
[00:42] <fsufitch> Nutzebahn: any infoz on that?
[00:42] <Leefmc> koshar1: On my laptop it was a sinch, no idea why its so hard on my mac pro..
[00:42] <rp3> kcman1: sure there is you click on an item then you can turn it off or on, or add new items...
[00:42] <carandraug> cwill747: I did say I was not sure about that part. It's been a long time since I mounted a Cd from terminal
[00:43] <Nutzebahn> An Intel Integrated sound card.
[00:43] <cwill747> carandraug: yeah haha i gotcha. wasn't trying to insult your intelligence :)
[00:43] <newpers> i'm an arch linux user and am considering a switch to ubuntu.  i'm browsing through the hardy pacakges and notice that some of them are pretty old.  is there another place to grab more recent packages?
[00:43] <fsufitch> Nutzebahn: i'm talking about your video card, not sound card >_>
[00:43] <Nutzebahn> oops
[00:43] <Nutzebahn> sorry
[00:43] <fsufitch> it's okay ;)
[00:43] <Nutzebahn> An Intel Integrated video card.
[00:43] <carandraug> newpers: you can try intrepid
[00:43] <Nutzebahn> I don't know where my brain is.
[00:44] <newpers> carandraug: thanks
[00:44] <ryaxnb> Ususally if you have most video cards, you go System>Preferences>screen Resolution>Color Depth
[00:44] <fsufitch> Nutzebahn: we all have those days
[00:44] <ryaxnb> In GNOME
[00:44] <kcman1> rp3 there is only add to panel new panel properties and so on but no edit
[00:44] <koshar1> Sake you want runtime change?
[00:44] <cwill747> newpers: you can also envy things
[00:44] <newpers> intrepid is the next release?
[00:44] <fsufitch> Nutzebahn: i'm not sure how to do it via GUI for intel cards, but i can tell you the command line way to do it
[00:44] <cwill747> newpers: yes
[00:44] <carandraug> newpers: no problem. It's the developmental version of Ubuntu. Good luck with it
[00:44] <Kohlrak-Serve1> when ever i log in, my desktop doesn't appear. Any ideas?
[00:45] <ryaxnb> Do you mean GDM or GNOME or KDE
[00:45] <fsufitch> Nutzebahn: "sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[00:45] <ryaxnb> Khlark
[00:45] <Sake> koshar1, I just want a way to restart my windowing environment when it craps out.
[00:45] <ryaxnb> er, Kohlark
[00:45] <ryaxnb> er, kohlrak
[00:45] <newpers> ok, i just checked out intrepid.  the package i'm looking for there is still very old [it's in universe].
[00:45] <Rhodetrem> carandraug: can I install *only* Pidgin from the intrepid packages
[00:45] <cppmonkey> quick question, 4 internal HDD arnt mounting when the PC is booted, you have to click them in the menu to mount them which is no good as they could mount in any order screwing up Samba share
[00:46] <fsufitch> Nutzebahn: find the section thatis called Section "Screen" and find the option in it that says DefaultDepth
[00:46] <fsufitch> change that number to whatever you want
[00:46] <kcman1> rp3 i got it i have to unlock the item itself
[00:46] <fsufitch> save the file, and restart your comp
[00:46] <Kohlrak-Serve1> ryanxnb, gdm seems to start as i get the login screen, but after i go as far as logging in the screen went black, i think my screen resolution is set to null or something, but i have no idea how to find or edit it
[00:46] <ryaxnb> Because, kohlrak, there's auto-login, and there's just getting a CLI at boot, which is consideably worse
[00:46] <Miyavix3> Can I program buttons on my keyboard to forward and back(generic)
[00:46] <Miyavix3> ?
[00:46] <kynphlee> how do i autoload modules in ubuntu 8.04?
[00:47] <carandraug> Rhodetrem: looking for the 2.5 version, aren't we? MSNP15 support? You can download the deb file. It should work fine
[00:47] <Kohlrak-Serve1> ryanxnb, i would try to manually edit the file with vim, but i don't know where to begin with that.
[00:47] <jebblue> newpers https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[00:47] <koshar1> Sake so how would you enter the command if you couldnt use the keyboard? are you looking at a watchdog file to restart gnome ect? look here for a comamnd line
[00:47] <koshar1> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x11-wm.html
[00:48] <Rhodetrem> carandraug: that's right ;) can I update it via apt-get?
[00:48] <Sake> koshar1, I usually can ctrl-alt-f1 to a console
[00:48] <Kohlrak-Serve1> ryanxb, you still there?
[00:49] <Nutzebahn> fsufitch, I don't see a DefaultDepth option.
[00:49] <fsufitch> Nutzebahn: could you privmsg me with what you do see?
[00:49] <Nutzebahn> Yes.
[00:51] <koshar1> Sake does your cont alt backsace retern you to gdm?
[00:51] <godmode117> nothing im trying is working
[00:51] <carandraug> Rhodetrem: I never tried it but in theory, you should be able to add the intrepid repositories to your list, update pidgin, and then remove it from the list. This would make taking care of dependencies easier than just downloading the deb file. Also, I've heard you can get msnp15 support with previous versions if you compile it yourself and make a small changes. The code for has been there for quite soem time but had some bugs
[00:51] <godmode117> please help
[00:51] <godmode117> its giving me nothing when i insert a blank cd or dvd
[00:51] <Kohlrak-Serve1> anyone know where the gnome user spefic resolution settings are?
[00:52] <koshar1> Sake killall gnome-panel
[00:52] <anom01y> how do I get kmix to show all the sound volumes for my card? 50% of the time I reboot it works, and other 50% it only shows a few controls (and no input controls)
[00:52] <cppmonkey> how do I stop Ubuntu recognizing my internet hdds as removable?
[00:52] <carandraug> Kohlrak-Serve1: maybe somewhere in .gconf. You lookied there?
[00:52] <Devil-1> hi all is here sombody how can help me whit tracing from a ip from how it is becas my firlfriend is be hackt and i want to know how is was but if i typ whois and than the ip than i get tis
[00:52] <Devil-1> Peer 1 Network Inc. PEER1-BLK-06 (NET-65-39-128-0-1)
[00:52] <Devil-1>                                   <IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:52] <Devil-1> QITX Inc. PEER1-QITX-33 (NET-65-39-175-0-1)
[00:52] <Devil-1>                                   <IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:52] <Devil-1> # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2008-08-23 19:10
[00:52] <Devil-1> # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
[00:52] <FloodBot1> Devil-1: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:52] <koshar1> Sake or sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[00:53] <Kohlrak-Serve1> carandraug, i would try, but i need something more specific than that because i can't see anything on the computer that needs fix, and this one uses kde i think
[00:53] <jebblue> cppmonkey try System, Prefs, Removable Drives and Media
[00:53] <Miyavix3> Sorry, restarted my computer. Is there a way to program a button to go forward and back in windows and web browser?
[00:53] <andycaz> how to search inside file contents? i know i should use grep but with which vars?
[00:54] <carandraug> Kohlrak-Serve1: ok. One minute. I'll see if I find it on mine
[00:54] <cached> "startx" after ssh -x (server ip here) -> "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.". What do i need to do to give permissions to this user?
[00:54] <Kohlrak-Serve1> thanks carandraug
[00:54] <Miyavix3> sudo?
[00:54] <Kohlrak-Serve1> Miyavix3: i would highly doubt it
[00:54] <jebblue> andycaz i use grep -irl also check "man grep"
[00:55] <Miyavix3> Kohlrak, why not? That's kinda silly that there's no forward and back... I have them on my Thinkpad.
[00:55] <Kohlrak-Serve1> Miyavix3: iirc, you can only boot one thing at a time. However, there's always wine for compatable programs and vm ware for what isn't compatable
[00:55] <Miyavix3> o_o
[00:55] <Miyavix3> not windows OS, like a file browser
[00:55] <Miyavix3> File browsers and firefox
[00:56] <Kohlrak-Serve1> don't know about what they are on the keyboard (but i'm sure they are there somewhere), but there should be GUI buttons (which i use)
[00:56] <andycaz> jebblue: but that syntax only works on files inside the same dir? can it be made to work with subdirs?
[00:56] <cppmonkey> jebblue, the only thing that is enabled is Digital Camera, nothing todo with wanting to call my HDs removable. now I could just mod fstab but then if I went though 'Places' it might screw it up still
[00:56] <Kohlrak-Serve1> actually, for the file browser, you should be able to just click the folder name beside the one you're in and it'll go to that indirection (left to go up)
[00:56] <carandraug> Kohlrak-Serve1: take a look at .gconf/desktop/gnome/screen/default/0/%gconf.xml
[00:57] <Sake> koshar1, yea, that should work. I'll try it out when I'm done my work. ;)
[00:57] <Kohlrak-Serve1> alrighty, thanks. I'll see what i can do with that carandraug
[00:57] <jebblue> andycaz -r read about it in man grep
[00:57] <mds58> I can get my new ubuntu install to boot pleas help :S
[00:57] <carandraug> Kohlrak-Serve1: no problem. Hope it helps
[00:58] <jebblue> cppmonkey good point
[00:58] <Kohlrak-Serve1> miyavix3: however, worst case scenario, i'm sure both programs are open source and do have keyboard shortcuts for some things, just a matter of finding out where that is and what the functions for back and forward are
[00:58] <Miyavix3> that's why I'm here... I don't know where they are.
[00:59] <yuri_> hey guys, Q: how do i set up an audible alarm when my cpu hits 90+ degrees? im thinking of a system beep
[01:00] <xomp> is there a package for mysql for ubuntu?
[01:00] <help_my_life_is_> Hello ubunters. Anyone know how to disable "Low Graphics Mode" completely?
[01:00] <xomp> I tried doing a search on "MySQL" in synaptic but nothing returned.
[01:00] <coraline> why doesn't this x-chat let me hide joins/parts/quits?
[01:01] <yuri_> xomp: its mysql-server or mysql-server-5.0
[01:01] <xomp> yuri_, oh ok, thanks :)
[01:01] <yuri_> xomp: and its case sensitive. use lower case letters
[01:01] <yuri_> xomp: all packages will be in lowercase
[01:02] <jebblue> coraline i use Pidgin chat for irc but i think i recall xchat could do that http://forum.xchat.org/viewtopic.php?t=2568
[01:02] <Kohlrak-Serve1> xomp, if you also want apache and php, tasksel and select "LAMP"
[01:02] <xomp> thanks yuri_ :)
[01:02] <coraline> jebblue: it can't as far as I can see
[01:02] <coraline> jebblue: perhaps I'll try compiling from sores.
[01:03] <alphae> I am Formatted PC, and IP Changed, and Channed MAC Address, but I dont removed Geme Web Page, Why is remove At BAN ?
[01:03] <jebblue> coraline: ouch have fun
[01:03] <coraline> ouch?
[01:03] <jebblue> coraline jk :)
[01:03] <DaFunks> Hi. Can anyone give me some info on how to install a persistent USB version of Ubuntu through a Windows XP OS
[01:04] <mds58> new insall of ubuntu..... what do I need to type in camand line when it prompts me with (initramfs)?????
[01:04] <alphae> I am Formatted PC, and IP Changed, and Channed MAC Address, but I dont removed Geme Web Page, Why is remove At BAN ?
[01:04] <stryd_one> dafunks: much easier to boot to the live media and work from there
[01:05] <DaFunks> I did try but had issues. I cant remember what it was now
[01:05] <DaFunks> Oh yea. I could not connect to the internet so had issues with apt get
[01:05] <stryd_one> well you'll have the same problem in the persistent version. fix that first.
[01:06] <coraline> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[01:06] <DaFunks> Well i was hoping if i did the usb id be able to get the drivers working better
[01:06] <ThersiT> is all ubuntu needs as far as partitions / and swap?
[01:06] <coraline> that's uh.  missing libstdc++ isn't it?
[01:06] <Starnestommy> coraline: you'll need to install build-essential
[01:06] <yuri_> ThersiT: technically you dont need swap, you can make a file inside your partition that will act as swap
[01:06] <fluffman> DaFunks: there's a great tutorial for that over at http://www.pendrivelinux.net
[01:07] <alphae> I am Formatted PC, and IP Changed, and Channed MAC Address, but I dont removed Geme Web Page, Why is remove At BAN ?
[01:07] <alphae> ??????
[01:07] <DaFunks> That is what i used Fluffman
[01:07] <ThersiT> but i don't need /boot or anything?
[01:07] <coraline> Starnestommy: apt-get install build-essential?
[01:07] <r4b> i have removed the applications menu from the top panel. how can i open add remove programs?
[01:07] <Starnestommy> coraline: yes
[01:07] <coraline> Starnestommy: merci
[01:07] <DaFunks> It has a part with"syslinux mtools" that i cant get as i dont have wifi when i boot from livecd
[01:08] <eitreach> How come Amarok can play my wmas, while Gnome-based players can't?
[01:08] <fluffman> that have a tut on how to do it from windows I think
[01:08] <eitreach> I've installed w32codecs.
[01:08] <coraline> Starnestommy: cannot find GLIB.  Would you know that one as well? =-)
[01:08] <DaFunks> The only windows part it ads to to restart to live CD :P
[01:09] <fluffman> oh my bad...i did the pendrivelinux distro from within linux
[01:09] <Starnestommy> coraline: install libglib2.0-dev
[01:09] <fluffman> *pendrivelinux from within windows
[01:09] <coraline> Starnestommy: You're my hero. :)
[01:10] <DaFunks> humm. i dont see that one
[01:10] <eitreach>  How come Amarok can play my wmas, while Gnome-based players can't?
[01:11] <mds58> ubuntu is killing me what do I need to enter when it promts me with (initramfs) and wont boot the gui?
[01:11] <carandraug> r4b: you want to open it with the terminal or bring that menu back to the panel?
[01:11] <WaY> hello
[01:11] <r4b> terminal or alt f2 m,enu
[01:11] <carandraug> r4b: gnome-app-install
[01:12] <r4b> i like the pancheers
[01:12] <r4b> oops
[01:12] <fluffman> DaFunks: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2008/02/13/pendrivelinux-2008-install-from-windows/ works really well
[01:12] <fluffman> it's optimized for a thumdrive
[01:12] <adilson> for compiling stuff in ubuntu is the package called build-essential?
[01:12] <r4b> i meant thank you
[01:12] <DaFunks> Thanks. i dont think this is Ubuntu though
[01:12] <DaFunks> But ill try it
[01:12] <ozzloy> my update from 7.11 to 8.04 has been stalled at "12 minutes" for about an hour.  is it safe to kill it?
[01:12] <favro> adilson: yep
[01:12] <ozzloy> or can i get some help with this?
[01:13] <platyhelminth_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXJZXR5Qb-8
[01:13] <fluffman> DaFunks: yeah it's not ubuntu, but it's really simple
[01:13] <adilson> favro: ty
[01:13] <AMDXP> is there a way in the update manager to not update the kernel headers
[01:13] <DaFunks> thanks
[01:14] <DaFunks> What ill do is try DSL as i know that system. ill try to get the net working on it then install ubuntu using that :) http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/01/02/all-in-one-usb-dsl/
[01:15] <DaFunks> Thanks everyone
[01:15] <coraline> Can
[01:15] <coraline> Can't find GTK?  Not building GTK Frontend?
[01:16] <adilson> im running xubuntu on a low end system and synaptic takes a while isnt there another package that does the same thing?
[01:16] <Kernel> hello all. i just started seeing these errors in dmesg: http://pastebin.com/m5915d6c6   ....thats on a lvm partition...should i run fsck on it? or what should i do?
[01:17] <Kohlrak-Serve1> does anyone know how to remove a directory that's not empty?
[01:17] <steveydoteu> Kohlrak-Serve1, in waht context
[01:17] <Kohlrak-Serve1> steveydoteu: i'm trying to delete .gnome and .gconf
[01:17] <Devourer> Is there a way to invoke a GUI app from the console, but make it so you can close the console and it won't close the app?
[01:18] <stunatra> Kohlrak-Serve1, rm -rf but be careful with that command
[01:18] <unop> Devourer, nohup command
[01:18] <Kohlrak-Serve1> stunatra, thank you i will. i'll purposely forgt it after today XD
[01:18] <Devourer> unop, thanks.
[01:18] <stunatra> you're welcome and good luck
[01:18] <eitreach> How can I make wma files play with Gnome-players like they do with Amarok?
[01:18] <unop> Kohlrak-Serve1, you can always refer to the rm manpage ...
[01:19] <Kohlrak-Serve1> unop, i always though rm was for files though, then there is this rmdir which i didn't know how t ouse
[01:19] <mixel> hi everyone
[01:19] <coraline> whiskey.  tango.  foxtrot.
[01:19] <HymnToLife> Kohlrak-Serve1: man rmdir ?
[01:19] <HymnToLife> but a directory is just a file that contains other files
[01:19] <carandraug> coraline: no swearing
[01:20] <Kohlrak-Serve1> HymnToLife, never thought of that to be honet....
[01:20] <unop> Kohlrak-Serve1, technically directories are files .. and rmdir only removes "empty direcories"
[01:20] <adilson> isnt there another packae that can replace synaptic bu for low end systems?
[01:20] <coraline> carandraug: excuse me?  who's swearing?
[01:20] <HymnToLife> Kohlrak-Serve1: basically, rmdir is the same as rm -r
[01:20] <unop> adilson, aptitude
[01:20] <carandraug> coraline: you're not the only one here with radio experience
[01:20] <IndyGunFreak> !jfgi | coraline
[01:20] <Kohlrak-Serve1> HymnToLife, ah, thank you
[01:21] <adilson> unop: i use that when i know what im looking for
[01:21] <unop> HymnToLife, not really .. rmdir only removes _really_ empty directories
[01:22] <Bruners> http://houghi.org/shots/vim001.gif funny :P
[01:22] <unop> adilson, aptitude can help you search for packages too
[01:23] <Flannel> Bruners: #ubuntu-offtopic, not here, thanks.
[01:24] <adilson> unop: well need to get used to it than, only use it to install packages but yeah isnt there another application?
[01:24] <Kohlrak-Serve1> um.... there seems to be a user spefic problem with gnome  where the screen goes black after i log in, and deleting .gconf and .gnome didn't work... anyone have any ideas?
[01:24] <eitreach>  How can I make wma files play with Gnome-players like they do with Amarok?
[01:24] <geek_> adilson: just use apt straight up
[01:24] <geek_> eitreach: probably will need w32codecs?
[01:24] <unop> adilson, not sure .. perhaps there is .. but aptitude is really powerful that others pale in comparison.
[01:24] <eitreach> geek_: already installed.
[01:25] <Devourer> unop, when using nohup, I can I still CTRL+C in the console, and the program will close. Also, I'd like to be able to use that same console.
[01:25] <unop> Devourer, nohup command &  # to send it into the background
[01:25] <adilson> unop, geek_: ok to run command /cofigure do i have to be in root or is it only for make & makeinstall
[01:26] <stickboy> hey all. i tried looking this up but all relevant articles i found were over a year old and didn't help. i just installed steam and a friend gave me a 3day pass to a game but when i click the link, firefox says it doesn't know how to open it because it doesn't recognize the application (steam). how do i get firefox to recognize steam? i'm on ubuntu 8.04 64bit.
[01:26] <unop> Devourer, or press CTRL+Z  to suspend the task currently in the foreground and type bg  to send it into the background
[01:26] <favro> !wma | eitreach seen these links?
[01:26] <Devourer> unop, I have to use #?
[01:26] <unop> Devourer,  # marks the beginning of a comment .. so no, but it doesn't matter
[01:27] <unop> adilson, you only need to be root for  make install
[01:27] <abbazabba> hello my fellow mariachi's
[01:27] <Devourer> unop, I think I've been using the & operator wrong. I would append it directly to the end of the line with no space. :o
[01:28] <abbazabba> is anybody else having a problem with 8.04, firefox 3 and youtube videos, having firefox close when any type of video tries to play?
[01:28] <unop> Devourer, most shells don't mind extraneous white-space
[01:28] <adilson> unop: ok ben a while since i had to compile packages hmmm forgetting a lot, setting a low end system for the parents to use "either this or give them windows"
[01:28] <mercutio22> My X just crashed while I was browsing the internet with firefox. How can I find out what is wrong?
[01:28] <eitreach> favro: yes, I've seen them. I'm just wondering why Amarok can play them, while Gnome-players can't.
[01:29] <dafydd> can anyone here help me with a gdm problem on ubuntu, please?
[01:29] <ozzloy> can anyone see this text?
[01:29] <dafydd> yes
[01:30] <jebblue> abbazabba not here
[01:30] <adilson> unop: just run ./configur an ot this error "configure: error: Idesk requires the X Window System libraries and headers" would you tell me how i can fix this?
[01:30] <unop> Kohlrak-Serve1, were you ever able to log on to your desktop?
[01:30] <meteoroid> hey folks i tried to install selinux and selinux-policy-refpolicy, and i get an error installing the selinux package: "GRUB configuration file not found"
[01:30] <guesswho> any ideas why my usb drive wont work with innotek virtualbox? this is the error Could not load the Host USB Proxy Service (VERR_FILE_NOT_FOUND). The service might be not installed on the host computer.
[01:30] <unop> adilson, sudo apt-get build-dep idesk  # before you run ./configure
[01:31] <hosk> OpenGL games like Regnum Online and Americas Army give me weird alternating white lines on startup screens, textures, and all sorts of other stuff. I have a GeForce FX 5500, anybody know why/how to determine/how to fix?
[01:31] <unop> meteoroid, try this.   sudo update-grub
[01:31] <geek_> adilson: ./configure dosen't need to be root IIRC
[01:31] <abbazabba> jebblue: i'm actually pretty shocked no one else has
[01:31] <Devourer> Why are there no man entries for jobs, fg, and bg?
[01:31] <dafydd> My problem with gdm is on bootup gdm loads and then displays the login page for one second, then it reloads it again
[01:31] <guesswho> what is the . for in linux? why ./configure
[01:31] <Devourer> Are they not commands?
[01:31] <adilson> unop: ok the instructions just sai to run ./configure :/ i wish they were more precise
[01:32] <Devourer> Or, binaries I mean.
[01:32] <guesswho> to execute them?
[01:32] <adilson> geek_: yah
[01:32] <unop> Devourer, because they are bash builtins ... help fg, help bg, etc
[01:32] <Devourer> guesswho, stands for current directory.
[01:32] <jebblue> abbazabba one thing I do is keep mpzplugger installed to iron out how to play videos - usually works well
[01:32] <Kohlrak-Serve1> unop, sorry, didn't know you imed me... And yes i was able... This problem of mine happened after i tried to switch the buffer off. THat worked fine actually.THe problem was after i tried to fix the resolution because ubuntu doesn't agree with my card for some reason on the default resolution setting.
[01:32] <Devourer> unop, oh. Thanks.
[01:32] <keidori> i installed the madwifi driver for my aspire on a bareubuntu install and when i reboot i cant get my wireless back up and i did put the interface in the startup
[01:32] <keidori> any ideas
[01:32] <guesswho> Devourer: i see so . is not an actual command, just a linux wildcard term for the current directory
[01:33] <Devourer> guesswho, yeah. And .. stands for the directory above the current one.
[01:33] <adilson> unop: after doing that i should be able to run ./configure without a problem?
[01:33] <meteoroid> unop: hm, odd, that throws an error itself.. i'm in a managed xen vm, so perhaps it doesn't use grub?
[01:33] <guesswho> Devourer; thanks
[01:33] <unop> guesswho, not really a wildcard
[01:33] <unop> adilson, yes
[01:33] <guesswho> well.. it helps me understand linux lingo a little better
[01:33] <unop> Kohlrak-Serve1, try removing the gnome-randr-applet package if it is installed and log in
[01:34] <Devourer> unop, would you term it as a special character?
[01:34] <Kohlrak-Serve1> unop: alright, i'll try that.
[01:34] <unop> Devourer, it's a special file actually
[01:34] <Aric> what are you talking about
[01:34] <Devourer> unop, it's a file?
[01:35] <unop> Devourer, yep .. technically directories are files
[01:35] <Devourer> unop, oh, strange. I never knew that. =]
[01:35] <guesswho> yes, even in windows they are :)
[01:35] <unop> guesswho, yes, even in windows . and .. mean the same things
[01:35] <Devourer> I haven't messed much with file systems.
[01:36] <Leefmc> Question: How do you view a commands output in the manpage format? Ie, if you are not able to scroll (no mouse) and you need to read through pages of terminal output, there is a command you can type to slowly display the output of another command.. what is it?
[01:36] <guesswho> well, its good to know this stuff im a complete linux noob and just learning how to use, ubuntu is a easy transition from windows
[01:36] <unop> Leefmc, less
[01:36] <Kohlrak-Serve1> unop: i can't seem to remove that package... says that it's not installed.
[01:36] <unop> Leefmc, command | less
[01:36] <dafydd> does anyone know how to start a gnome session on the terminal? Even though gdm is having problems I can get to a terminal over tty1
[01:36] <Leefmc> unop: Ty
[01:36] <ApprenticeBuntu> Question guys/girls: So hey, I've got dual monitors going on a NVidia card, but I can't get the resolution on my secondary monitor past 640X480 and it's hidious, anyone have any ideas?
[01:37] <Leefmc> unop: I have a hell of a time remembering that heh :)
[01:37] <mdkaneda55> dafydd: did u try "startx"
[01:37] <smmagic> !fixres
[01:37] <shingen> ApprenticeBuntu: what drivers are you using/
[01:37] <smmagic> That ApprenticeBuntu
[01:37] <dafydd> yeah I get a fatal server error
[01:37] <unop> Kohlrak-Serve1, hmm.  not sure then. see what ubottu just said
[01:37] <dafydd> says that server is already active for display 0
[01:37] <Dr_willis> dafydd,   if gdm is running - it may say that.. kill the gdm service
[01:37] <Kohlrak-Serve1> unop, i was just looking at that too. I think it might be able to help.
[01:37] <dafydd> I guess because x is starting alright, but gdm is having problems
[01:38] <Leefmc> unop: On the same subject, if you screw up your xorg, how do you fix it with a default ubuntu installation? The reason i ask, is because on my system i would hit "ctrl t" because that is bound to the terminal, but that is not default.. how do you access the terminal without the mouse, on a default install?
[01:38] <Kohlrak-Serve1> unop: if not, i'll be back. XD
[01:38] <mixel> hi can everyone help me whit a old pcchips 548lmrt my mouse ps/2 dont work
[01:38] <dafydd> ok, so sudo gdm --k
[01:38] <Dr_willis> dafydd,  at the gdm login screen under sessions there may be a 'failsafe terminal' try that one and try the command 'gnome-session' in the terminal
[01:38] <smmagic> !fixres > ApprenticeBuntu
[01:38] <GL-san> ctrl+alt+f2 will give you a terminal
[01:38] <mixel> hi can everyone help me whit a old pcchips 548lmrt my mouse ps/2 dont work
[01:38] <unop> Leefmc, alt+f2  and type  gnome-terminal  .. or  ctrl+alt+f1  to get a virtual terminal  (ctrl+alt+f7 to get back)
[01:39] <dafydd> @Dr_willis unfortunately I can't click on the options when gdm starts because there isn't enough time to move the cursor to that button before gdm reloads itself
[01:39] <Dr_willis> dafydd,  also you could try starting gnome as a different user. It sounds like it MIGHT be some gnome setting messing things up
[01:39] <Dr_willis> dafydd,  so gdm is starting and crashing that fast eh? thats... odd...
[01:39] <Dr_willis> dafydd,  that sounds more like some X config/driver issue then.
[01:40] <dafydd> yeah, after an update I just did today, been away from the comp for about 2 weeks and did an update. after wards no applications could be started but I could use the gnome panel to safely shutdown the computer
[01:40] <Leefmc> unop: So what are those  btw? I've never heard a "true" description of what they are? (The alt+ctrl+fx" terminals), are they actually just virtual terminals?
[01:41] <mixel> hi can everyone help me whit a old pcchips 548lmrt my mouse ps/2 dont work
[01:41] <unop> Leefmc, virtual terminals or consoles perhaps
[01:41] <guesswho> Im trying to run a USB drive into a virtual windows xp pro machine useing innotek virtual machine and it keeps giving me this error "Could not load the Host USB Proxy Service (VERR_FILE_NOT_FOUND). The service might be not installed on the host computer." any ideas please?
[01:41] <AMDfanboy> SUPER SIMPLE - i made a directory /docs, but it won't let me write to it, because its at the root and owned by root, how do i change that?
[01:41] <Leefmc> unop: So any idea why #7 is the "real" one? Seems like an odd number heh
[01:41] <unop> AMDfanboy, sudo chown $USER.$USER /docs
[01:42] <Leefmc> unop: And what happens if you load up a desktop in #1-6?
[01:42] <unop> Leefmc, #7 isn't the real one, it's just another one .. X just happens to choose it because the previous 6 have been used .. if you change the number of virtual terminals, X will choose the next available one to use
[01:43] <knopf_> hi. is there a way to see why '/etc/init.d/mysql start' failed?
[01:43] <AMDfanboy> unop: USER in caps?
[01:43] <Leefmc> unop: So 6 is used? Interesting
[01:43] <dafydd> knopf, run from terminal?
[01:43] <unop> AMDfanboy, $USER as is .. yes, in CAPS with the preceding $ too
[01:43] <knopf_> dafydd: yes
[01:43] <dafydd> hmm
[01:44] <jebblue> knopf try /var/log/mysql.log
[01:44] <jebblue> knopf or ask on a mysql site
[01:44] <Dr_willis> AMDfanboy,  $USER gets expaned to the current users name. try 'echo $USER' to see the effect.
[01:44] <danopia_> hi
[01:45] <danopia_> i was pinged?
[01:45] <knopf_> jebblue: well, the logs are empty. everything worked until I used aptitude to uninstall mediawiki
[01:45] <knopf_> jebblue: so i think it's a problem in ubuntu
[01:45]  * danopia_ wonders who pinged him
[01:45] <qoncept> is there a way to list my samba shares from the command line?
[01:45] <AMDfanboy> ah right. i was putting in $BRAD, thanks!
[01:45] <Cpudan80> * Ping reply from danopia_: 0.64 second(s)
[01:45] <unop> qoncept, smbtree
[01:45] <Cpudan80> :-)
[01:45]  * danopia_ greps his logs for danopia
[01:46] <qoncept> uncorq,  thanks
[01:46] <AeronTS> i downloaded the latest version of firefox, but when i run it and check the "about" box it stills says i'm running <IP_ADDRESS>   why is that?
[01:47] <uncorq> qoncept, what's I do? ;)
[01:47] <qoncept> unop i mean
[01:47] <unop> knopf_, try this.  sudo aptitude reinstall '~i mysql'
[01:47] <danopia_> mylogs so no one pinged me.. xhcat fails
[01:47] <knopf_> unop: will this erase my databases?
[01:47] <unop> knopf_, no
[01:47] <qoncept> i'm having a hell of a time getting my smb share working from my dd-wrt router to this box
[01:48] <keidori> i installed the madwifi driver for my aspire on a bareubuntu install and when i reboot i cant get my wireless back up and i did put the interface in the startup
[01:48] <keidori> any ideas
[01:48] <keidori> ?
[01:48] <unop> knopf_, you could also do this after that.  sudo aptitude install -f
[01:48] <Kohlrak-Serve1> unop, it seems that i the stuff ubottu said didn't help. Is there anyway to reset all gnome and xserver settings?
[01:48] <Dr_willis> qoncept,  try mounting the shares manually - not using the gnome file manager browsing - Ive seen issues with the gnome file manager befor
[01:49] <qoncept> i'm getting Connection to <IP_ADDRESS> failed (Error NT_STATUS_CONNECTION_REFUSED)
[01:49] <dafydd> this is strange, after I get into tty1 to try and kill gdm using ps -xwff | grep "gdm" I get a pid number for gdm but then when I type the same thing again I get a new pid number, so I can't kill gdm this way
[01:49] <dafydd> probably because it's constantly restarting itself
[01:50] <qoncept> the router doesn't have smbtree so i'm not sure the share is even working
[01:50] <unop> Kohlrak-Serve1, you could create a new home directory after backing up the current one ..
[01:50] <Dr_willis> dafydd,  its a service.. you use the service scripts to tell it to stop
[01:50] <Dr_willis> dafydd,  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:50] <dafydd> ahh
[01:50] <dafydd> oops
[01:50] <unop> dafydd, killing gdm that way is asking for trouble.
[01:50] <Dr_willis> i wonderd where you got the gdm --k stuff from dafydd  :)
[01:51] <dafydd> heh I'm a pretty major noob
[01:51] <dafydd> but startx is working now
[01:51] <dafydd> I can see my desktop
[01:51] <Dr_willis> I thought if X/gdm started/crashed so many times in so many sec... that it would automatically 'stop'
[01:51] <knopf_> unop: that did it
[01:51] <knopf_> unop: you're my hero
[01:51] <dafydd> and now firefox is trying to load itself a lot
[01:52] <oem_> anyone seen glitsj6 or 16
[01:52] <keidori> dose any one know about the madwifi driver?
[01:52] <unop> !donate | knopf_  :)
[01:52] <Dr_willis> !madwifi
[01:52] <keidori> what about the documentation?
[01:53] <dafydd> k so Dr_willis I made some progress! now I have a desktop and conky loaded, no gnome panel and no icons. I got this after I killed gdm and did startx
[01:54] <unop> dafydd, reinstall gdm perhaps to fix the issue.  sudo aptitude reinstall gdm
[01:54] <dafydd> alright, back to tty1!
[01:54] <tragik> can anyone help me with a quick mounting question?
[01:54] <unop> tragik, ask not ask to ask :)
[01:55] <tragik> haha. Alright then. I need help with getting my /media/disk/ windows partition to mount on startup. any tips?
[01:55] <unop> !fstab | tragik
[01:56] <tragik> hrm ok ill take a look. thanks.
[01:56] <_paneb> in gentoo i had a ~/.profile, but now that i moved to ubuntu, i keep on getting an error saying my X session did not last more than 10 seconds, unless i remove ~/.profile - how do i get my bash settings loaded?
[01:57] <Kohlrak-Serve1> can anyone with a default /etc/sudoers paste bin it for me?
[01:57] <unop> _paneb, ~/.bash* actually
[01:57] <unop> _paneb, what is in your ~/.profile ?
[01:57] <_paneb> unop, i moved .profile to .bashrc, but it's not working
[01:58] <_paneb> unop, it fails with some "declare -x ..."
[01:58] <necocool> Opa
[01:58] <necocool> olá gostaria de uma ajuda ?
[01:58] <douglas> ex-chat
[01:58] <unop> _paneb,  if you can pastebin the output of  source ~/.bashrc   that'd be great
[01:59] <unop> !es | necocool
[01:59] <Kohlrak-Serve1> !br | necocool
[01:59] <_paneb> unop, there is no output, it just changes my PS1 to the one i wanted
[01:59] <necocool> ok
[01:59] <unop> _paneb, so how do you know it fails?
[02:00] <_paneb> unop, like i said, when i log in, it says my X session did not last more than 10 seconds, and i can click a "Details" button
[02:00] <mattmatteh> new to ubuntu, i was trying to install enlightenment and got an error.  i googled and found bug 223746.  should i be installing e17, e17, or enlightenment  ?  i am not familair with enlightenment either, thought i would try it
[02:00] <FAJALOU> hi how can i delete bookmarks in places?
[02:00] <tragik> unop, any tips on moding fstab? No idea on anything other than the mount point.
[02:00] <unop> _paneb, chances are .. source ~/.bashrc is going to give you the same errors .. because that is what the gnome-session tries to do
[02:00] <hosk> OpenGL games like Regnum Online and Americas Army give me weird alternating white lines on startup screens, textures, and all sorts of other stuff. I have a GeForce FX 5500, anybody know why/how to determine/how to fix?
[02:01] <_paneb> unop, it fails when i have the same file named ./profile
[02:01] <hosk> i have pictures.
[02:01] <unop> tragik, it's simple.  UUID="xxxxxxxxxxxx" /media/mount_point ext3 rw,user,defaults 0 1
[02:01] <cleidson> opa
[02:02] <unop> _paneb, try it out. does sourcing either one of those files give you any errors at all?
[02:02] <cleidson> como faço para atualizar o meu firefox..sou novo
[02:02] <tragik> okay thanks unop. do I find the uuid just looking at drive props?
[02:02] <carandraug> !pt | cleidson
[02:02] <unop> tragik, you can find it out by   sudo blkid /dev/sdXX
[02:02] <tragik> alright, thanks
[02:02] <cleidson> oi
[02:02] <cleidson> como assim?
[02:03] <sacamano> Hi, got a question. I'm on Ubuntu, what's a good simple program that can burn videos to DVD format. Like Nero converts and burns for Windows, I'm looking fo rthat on ubuntu
[02:03] <hitman1985> sup all, any1 here who knows how i can make my (FTP) server folder of a rented linux server visible (password protected) over firefox or explorer ?
[02:03] <carandraug> cleidson: vai ao canal #ubuntu-pt
[02:03] <cleidson> hum
[02:04] <unop> hitman1985, just navigate to ftp://url ?
[02:04] <mdkaneda55> hitman1985: ftp://uname:pword@ftpserver.com:port
[02:04] <m0u5e> sacamano: try brasero? theres also a DeVeDe
[02:05] <sacamano> brasero works for it, m0u5e?
[02:05] <Dr_willis> dafydd,  make a .xinitrc file that contains 2 lines.. 'gnome-session' and 'exec xterm' and try startx again :) you should get gnome
[02:05] <hitman1985> mdkaneda55, i only want like one single folder :(
[02:05] <Dr_willis> sacamano,  in many ways i perfer 'DeVeDe' on linux to nero
[02:06] <dafydd> the .xinitrc file would go in my home folder right? /home/david
[02:06] <Dr_willis> dafydd,  yes.. thers where most all .CONFIG files go
[02:06] <unop> Dr_willis, exec gnome-session   should be enough .. as the script will fail if xterm is unavailable
[02:06] <hitman1985> mdkaneda55, think that works over same skript ?
[02:06] <mdkaneda55> hmm... like to give the info to someone else to see only whats in 1 folder, not the whole account?
[02:06] <unop> dafydd, right
[02:06] <Dr_willis> unop,  i forget.. xterm isent included by default?  :) how.. annoying.. heh
[02:06] <Dr_willis> unop,  but if gnome-sessin fails at least he will see somthing on the screen.
[02:07] <cleidson> qual comando para atualizar o meu firefox
[02:07] <dafydd> alright, oh yeah dr_willis when I kill gdm and startx I can see the gnome panel flash briefly for a bit and then it just loads conky which doesn't flash
[02:07] <Dr_willis> unop,  of course Ive no idea why his gdm would be crashing :( thats the bigger issue.
[02:07] <unop> Dr_willis, errm, if you mean  it will be spit out to the console, yes
[02:07] <dafydd> seems like it does the same sort of thin that gdm is doing
[02:07] <tragik> unop does this look right? UUID=322E10EE2E10AD3B /media/disk ntfs rw nosuid nodev noatime relatime user_id=0 group_id=0 allow_other 0 0
[02:07] <sacamano> #ubuntu-br
[02:07] <Dr_willis> dafydd,  yep. seems weird...
[02:07] <sacamano> ~#ubuntu-br
[02:08] <cleidson> qual apt para atualizar meu firefox
[02:08] <cleidson> ?
[02:08] <Dr_willis> dafydd,  see any error messages in the console when it exits?
[02:08] <unop> tragik, no .. options are to be delimited by commas i.e. rw,nosuid,nodev,etc
[02:08] <tragik> ah I see. thanks. other than that everything good unop?
[02:08] <unop> tragik, looks good .. though i would quote the UUID with double quotes like i showed you
[02:09] <unop> tragik, and you might want to use ntfs-3g instead of ntfs if you wish for write access to the volume.
[02:09] <dafydd> Dr_willis, nope, no error messages
[02:09] <tragik> ahh okay unop. thanks, the reason I didnt " the uuid is because the rest of the fstab did not use it. ill fix the ntfs FS error, thanks!!
[02:10] <mdkaneda55> hitman1985: u can navigate to a folder that way<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but once there you'll be logged in so u can navigate back to root and so forth...
[02:10] <Zikey> Hi, in which order are executed script for example in /etc/rc3.d wih the same NN ? is it random or alphabetically ?
[02:10] <hitman1985> mdkaneda55, oh oh, i dont want to do that :(
[02:10] <ApprenteBuntu> Question: NVidia's X Server app only believes my secondary screen can handle 640x480 or lower, anyone help me change it..? I have the newest nvidia drivers..
[02:10] <unop> Zikey, lexicographically . i.e. alphanumerically
[02:10] <Zikey> thx unop :)
[02:11] <hitman1985> mdkaneda55, i just want to basicly share one folder with my peps to have them explore it on their firefox or so on, because they are older generation and dont know ftp too much
[02:11] <LF73> hi what's the cli command to copy a directory and all its subdirectories to a different directory?
[02:11] <cleidson> como faço para atualizar meu firefox
[02:11] <unop> LF73, cp -a source_dir  dest_dir
[02:12] <bazhang> cleidson, english or /join #ubuntu-br
[02:12] <LF73> ah ok thanks
[02:12] <mdkaneda55> hitman1985: so its  rented linux server.. is it webspace? can u create a seperate ftp account just for these purposes and have its home dir be the dir u want to share?
[02:13] <hitman1985> mdkaneda55, yes that would be the easy way :)
[02:13] <hitman1985> mdkaneda55, why didnt i think of that :(
[02:13] <bazhang> cleidson, type:     /join #ubuntu-br   <--------
[02:14] <hitman1985> mdkaneda55, thanks i ll go try that out lil quick :) and yes its webspace from 1and1 :-) germany
[02:15] <mdkaneda55> kewl deal, hitman1985.. =) glad to be of service to ya. heh
[02:15] <dafydd> Dr_willis, I tried making the .xinitrc file but nothing new happened after I made it and did startx. When I pressed ctrl+alt+f1 I got back to the terminal to see any error messages from x but instead now I'm getting an error from nm-applet that I normally see everytime I shutdown my computer safely from gnome. It just keeps on printing the same error from nm-applet on the screen
[02:15] <dafydd> but nm-applet it working well, I just have a sketchy workaround for it so that I can get ndiswrapper to work
[02:16] <hitman1985> mdkaneda55, i love the ubuntu community tho i got to admitt that, since  i traded from a money junky called M$ :)
[02:17] <mdkaneda55> yup yup, buncha cooler than school geeks in this community. =) lol
[02:18] <AeronTS> i downloaded the latest version of firefox, but when i run it and check the "about" box it stills says i'm running <IP_ADDRESS>   why is that?
[02:18] <hitman1985> mdkaneda55, so ima just create basicly ftp account and make a public folder, easier to keep track of :)
[02:19] <lumbang> treee
[02:19] <bazhang> !id | lumbang
[02:19] <tuchki> hi, i've compiled pidgin 2.5.0 but i can start it. i made ./configure make and make install
[02:20] <mdkaneda55> hitman1985: just make a new account, make the home dir be the dir u wanna share.... so they cant navigate back basically.. then if the person's in windows, they can even view that folder via a network share in windows xp network places if u can walk 'em thru that... =)
[02:20] <Dr_willis> dafydd,  you got somthing weird going on. Im just not sure what.
[02:20] <dafydd> Dr_willis, hah yeah, I'm going to avoid the problem and reinstall ubuntu
[02:20] <adilson> !idesk
[02:20] <hitman1985> i can create ftp users for just a specific folder, with permissions just for that one :) hope that works then
[02:21] <hitman1985> mdkaneda55, i can create ftp users for just a specific folder, with permissions just for that one :) hope that works then
[02:21] <hitman1985> :)
[02:21] <dafydd> just got to move some stuff over to my thumb drive, I'm sooo glad I made a seperate partition just for my data
[02:21] <l3d> dam dvd playback is a pain to get
[02:21] <Dr_willis> dafydd,  is this an ATI video card?
[02:21] <Kohlrak-Serve1> anyone know the command line for the "restricted drivers" thinger?
[02:21] <greendot> if anyone in here was here earlier, i just want you all to know i got NDISWrapper installed fine, but for some reason it won't work with my wireless adapter unlike the walkthrough said
[02:21] <dafydd> Dr_willis, yessir
[02:21] <fxtgear> l3d: just use VLC
[02:21] <dafydd> with the closed source driver and all
[02:22] <greendot> koshar1: thanks for the help, did it your way, but it still won't connect me for some reason
[02:22] <Dr_willis> dafydd,  i had an issue ages ago where I had to not use the 'fglrx' driver. but the ati driver..  or else X would crash a few moments after i logged in.
[02:22] <adilson> how do i add icons with idesk, is there a simple tutorial or something?
[02:22] <Dr_willis> dafydd,  this was on my x200m based laptop.
[02:22] <dafydd> Dr_willis, weird, yeah I'm on an hp pavillion dv5000
[02:23] <favro> /etc/modules has to have fglrx as a module to load
[02:23] <knopf_> unop: everything's working fine now. I just put in the donation. (btw. that donation interface really sucks, but that's paypal's problem)
[02:23] <knopf_> unop: thanks a lot again
[02:24] <knopf_> who the heck is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and Canonical Limited ??
[02:24] <WDC> Hey hey! I want to install Madriva next to Ubuntu, are there any considerations with GRUB I need to work out? Or should it just, work?
[02:24] <Kohlrak-Serve1> anyone know how to access "restricted drivers" from a terminal window?
[02:24] <tuchki> hi, i've compiled pidgin 2.5.0 but i can start it. i made ./configure make and make install. did i do something eorng?
[02:24] <tuchki> hi, i've compiled pidgin 2.5.0 but i can start it. i made ./configure make and make install. did i do something wrong?
[02:24] <knopf_> !canonical limited
[02:24] <WDC> tuchki: Let's not spam
[02:24] <knopf_><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:24] <tuchki> sorry, it was no my intention
[02:25] <WDC> tuchki: How are you running it? Sorry
[02:25] <Pici> !canoncial | knopf_
[02:25] <Pici> !canonical | knopf_
[02:25] <tuchki> wdc, with alt F2 pidgin
[02:25] <hitman1985> mdkaneda55, isnt there also some kinda application for that function, where i could make like a custom background and stuff ( just curious)
[02:25] <newman0708> where can get the fetion plugin for pidgin?
[02:25] <knopf_> Pici: ah thanks.
[02:25] <WDC> tuchki: Well don't do that. Go Applications Internet Pidgin
[02:25] <Pici> knopf_: sure
[02:25] <newman0708> where can i get the fetion plugin for pidgin?
[02:26] <hitman1985> mdkaneda55, like a cms for just viewing that folder
[02:26] <dafydd> does anyone know if it's possible to mount a flashdrive from the terminal?
[02:26] <knopf_> Pici: you should also store<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:26] <newman0708> i can't access the linuxsir,
[02:26] <Pici> knopf_: Why? Who is that?
[02:26] <knopf_> !standardbank | knopf_
[02:26] <WDC> dafydd: Of course it's possible. Find out the location and go mount /the/location
[02:26] <knopf_> Pici: it's the email they give you when you donate
[02:26] <qr_> dafydd: You need to 'sudo mount /dev/device /folder/to/mount/in'
[02:27] <WDC> dafydd: or what qr_ said.
[02:27] <newman0708> where can i get the fetion plugin for pidgin?
[02:27] <Pici> knopf_: Its probably just their accountant
[02:27] <knopf_> Pici:  it's the recipient
[02:27] <knopf_> Pici: yes can be
[02:27] <Kohlrak-Serve1> anyone know how to access the hardware drivers from a terminal window?
[02:28] <amit> hi there is no theme option  in preferences
[02:28] <Dr_willis> Kohlrak-Serve1,  the binary is called jocky* or somthing weird like that.
[02:28] <qr_> Kohlrak-Serve1: you can poke at them with modprobe if you're so inclined.
[02:28] <dafydd> qr_, I have no clue where in /dev the drive is that I just plugged in unfortunately
[02:28] <Dr_willis> Kohlrak-Serve1,  if you are refering to the restricted-special drivers for nvidia/ati and other things
[02:29] <adilson> how do i add icons to idesk?
[02:29] <hitman1985> mdkaneda55, it works so far, but i can go to higher level (it just wont show anything) is that the way it should be ?
[02:29] <Kohlrak-Serve1> Dr_willis, not quite the command, but that is what i'm looking for (trying to get the fglrx driver to be used now that i have it in synaptic)
[02:29] <qr_> dafydd: do 'dmesg | tail', it should tell you which device was just plugged in.
[02:29] <tuchki> wdc, do you think i need to make the process again?
[02:29] <Dr_willis> adilson,  you may want to read the idesk docs. I think theres some .config file you need to make.
[02:29] <mdkaneda55> hitman1985: sounds ok, as for a background u'd have to make an html file or something, not sure if it would work on an ftp tho,, kinda dont think so...
[02:30] <lovinglinux> hi. I'm having problem with a faulty installation of lirc. The installation process gives an error during configuration and this is stopping other installations (Myth Control Center) that depends on it
[02:30] <newman0708> where can i get the fetion plugin for pidgin?
[02:30] <Dr_willis> Kohlrak-Serve1,  installing from synaptic alwyas worked the same as if i used that tool..  for me at least.
[02:30] <amit>  hi there is no theme option in preferences, anyone can help with that
[02:30] <hitman1985> mdkaneda55<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:) see if thats correct :_
[02:30] <_paneb> does anyone know how i can tell easy_install to install to /usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages instead of /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages?
[02:30] <adilson> Dr_willis: im reading the wiki apparently it doesnt generate the icons automatcally which is wha i need, I dont want to be making icons one by one :/
[02:30] <Kohlrak-Serve1> Dr_willis: then perhaps it doesn't know that my card works with the driver (vostro 1000)
[02:31] <Dr_willis> adilson,  it reads them from a config file..  frin what i read at http://linuxreviews.org/man/ideskrc/
[02:31] <Dr_willis> Kohlrak-Serve1,  i gave up on ati. :) no idea on that bit.
[02:31] <soapman> does one 'have to install the jdk' by using Synaptic or apt-get?
[02:32] <Dr_willis> soapman,  either way should work
[02:32] <Kohlrak-Serve1> Dr_willis: well, considering that i have a laptop, giving up isn't so easy for me.
[02:32] <keidori> thanks for your help dr-willis
[02:32] <keidori> great read
[02:32] <soapman> i like downloading the jdk from Sun & using the 'bin' installer, but there seems to be a problem with Eclipse
[02:33] <Dr_willis> Kohlrak-Serve1, the last laptop i got. i made SURE it had nvidia. :)   that was #1 on my features list when i went to the store. Got a nice HP. with good linux support.
[02:33] <adilson> Dr_willis: yah i read that in their wiki apparently icons ae not auto generated even knowing they have a default icons files
[02:33] <cached> What's the standard chmod for files to be put on the web (say an image) ?
[02:33] <amit> any one can help me with my theme thing theres no theme option in preferences
[02:34] <Dr_willis> adilson,  if you are refering to the .desktop files   - i dont know of any programs that do that. other then the kde/gnome file managers/desktops (perhaps xfce)
[02:34] <soapman> what I would like to do is have > 1 jdk version installed at '/opt/' & then have Eclipse installed at '/opt' also
[02:34] <Kohlrak-Serve1> Dr_willis, well, i moved to ubuntu after i got the laptop. Next time that's what i'll do.
[02:34] <Pici> amit: Preferences>Appearence
[02:34] <qr_> cached: 444 probably isn't a bad bet, I don't know if it's "standard" though.
[02:34] <Dr_willis> Kohlrak-Serve1,  you could try changing 'fglrx' to 'ati' or even 'vesa' in the xorg.conf and see if it works.
[02:34] <adilson> Dr_willis: oh ok
[02:35]  * maurocs going to sleep
[02:35] <Dr_willis> adilson,  thats one of the big diffeacnes between those tools and kde/gnome. :) they just do icons on the desktop.. thats it.  nothing fancy. well nothing real fancy
[02:35] <amit> how do i get new themes
[02:35] <Dr_willis> adilson,  i use  rox file manager, and its pinboard feture for my minimal desktop icons
[02:35] <amit> thanks
[02:35] <soapman> i've set my JAVA_HOME & CLASSPATH, and tried starting eclipse, & the 'splash screen' comes up , but then goes away & another 'blank' window comes up (then nothing)
[02:35] <Dr_willis> adilson,  and no it dose not handle .desktop files either. that ive noticed.
[02:36] <Kohlrak-Serve1> Dr_willis, not sure that entry is even in xorg.conf, hense why i'm trying to find it
[02:36] <pedro> hey
[02:36] <pedro> im trying to find a image editor very simple for linux, just to edit some minor things
[02:36] <kcman1> i have no audio on my vlc player
[02:36] <adilson> Dr_willis: ahhh this is becoming more work than i wanted "all i needed to do is set up a linux desktop environment the parents could use without any hassle" is that too much to ask...
[02:36] <Dr_willis> Kohlrak-Serve1,  well the new X sever stuff tries to auto configure a lot of things. You may want to  remake a more normal xorg.conf
[02:37] <pedro> anyone knows something i could use?
[02:37] <Dr_willis> adilson,  and gnome dont count? or kde? or the xfce desktop?
[02:37] <qr_> pedro: just use gimp, there's not really a lot of variety for image editors in linux.
[02:37] <l3d>  is there a way to stop nautilus from opening up everytime i put a disk in?
[02:37] <Dr_willis> adilson,  i use icewm+rox  file manager for the desktop/icons mainly
[02:37] <pedro> but doesn't gimp have a lot of options and stuff like photoshop?
[02:38] <Kohlrak-Serve1> Dr_willis, that's the thing i don't like about xserver now... Ever since the hardy upgrade i've had lots of problems with my graphics
[02:38] <Dr_willis> l3d,  yes. but i forget where the setting is  hidden at.
[02:38] <orly_owl> how do you stop totem opening when you insert a dvd?
[02:38] <qr_> pedro: yes, it does... that in no way stops you from doing simple things.
[02:38] <adilson> Dr_willis: ive goot xubuntu installed but on their account ive used icewm cause of the whole windows similarities but i need desktop icons until they get used to shortcuts etc
[02:38] <Dr_willis> Kohlrak-Serve1,  lots of people have had issues.. i started using my old xorg.conf :)
[02:38] <kcman1> not only do i have no audio but i experience a huge delay in use of the program if i hit any part of it while something is playing any fixes?
[02:38] <pedro> i'll try it out quickly and see if i can use it
[02:39] <Dr_willis> adilson,  install rox-filer and run 'rox -p=default' to see its 'desktop' wich is actually a pinboard. its fairly handy.
[02:39] <Kohlrak-Serve1> Dr_willis, i just found something fancy and new, and if i'm lucky it did it right and the problem is gone, but this has just been a pain in my butt. All i did was "xfix" and then this whole problem started... a snowball effect kinda problem. And it hasn't been fun dealing with
[02:39] <pedro> i cant even find where im gonna draw
[02:39] <Dr_willis> adilson,  or set up xfce to look like windows i guess. :)
[02:40] <adilson> Dr_willis: the file manager im usig is thunar and gnome-commander i dont want any extra suff unless their isnt a way... I'll mess with his for a while and see what happens "xfce hangs on this pc, its ok for me but for them icewm is faster"
[02:40] <Dr_willis> Kohlrak-Serve1,  ive never seen this 'xfix' command. :) you are now the 2nd peson ive seen mention it.
[02:40] <Kohlrak-Serve1> Dr_willis, second option on the boot menu.
[02:40] <Kohlrak-Serve1> the grub boot menu that is
[02:41] <Dr_willis> Kohlrak-Serve1,  not on  mine.  - may be a new feature in the 8.04.1 i guess?
[02:41] <corollax> Is it normal to for the system monitor to display two copies of "Xorg"?
[02:41] <Kohlrak-Serve1> that'll take you to a recovery thing, and xfix is one of the commands
[02:41] <Kohlrak-Serve1> dr_willis, it is. aren't you on hardy?
[02:41] <Dr_willis> Kohlrak-Serve1,  started on beta.. ane been upgrading  for the last... err.. however long its been
[02:42] <dafydd> qr_, dmesg | tail is saying that it found a new usb-storage device at 6
[02:42] <Dr_willis> Kohlrak-Serve1,  also i customized my grub menu to boot some other things. :) it may of decided to leave it alone.
[02:42] <red> is it kosher to have apostrophe's in email addresses?
[02:42] <Dr_willis> red Hmm.. ive never seen one in them
[02:43] <yaris123456789> hey guys what command do i run. (maybe grep? ) to find the user and group in httpd.conf ?
[02:43] <qr_> dafydd: it doesn't tell you something like sda/sdb?  If not I don't know what to tell you, try mounting different sda/sdb/sdc devices randomly? haha.
[02:43] <Kohlrak-Serve1> Dr_willis, it's actually the recovery mode (sepearate from grub, but to see the mode you have to go to the second option in grub)... oh well. .. you're lucky, it's not worth going into. All it does is resets the xserver
[02:43] <Dr_willis> Kohlrak-Serve1,  i have a recovery mode that just goes to the single user shell. :) but i think i even hae that disabvled.. since i can always edit my grub and add 'single' to the end.
[02:44] <csyntax_> Can i update the firmware on linux or do i need a mac or windows for this?
[02:44] <Kohlrak-Serve1> dr_willis, why'd you disable it?
[02:44] <yaris123456789> grep "group" httpd.conf doesn't return anything
[02:44] <csyntax_> ?
[02:45] <arooni-mobile> how do i get python installed on ubuntu?
[02:45] <Dr_willis> Kohlrak-Serve1,  i had other  grub entries for other things.. and i dident need extra 'recovery' entries for every kernel.
[02:45] <Dr_willis> arooni-mobile,  it should be allready installed
[02:45] <dafydd> "new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 7" "[ 1160.651788] sd 5:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive cache: write through"
[02:45] <dafydd> is what I see from dmesg | tail
[02:45] <Dr_willis> dafydd,  do dmesg | tail again . and it may state somthing else.
[02:45] <csyntax_> anyone use iphone?
[02:46] <Dr_willis> dafydd,  so the device is /dev/sda -  filesystems will start at /dev/sda1 most likely
[02:46] <qr_> dafydd: it says sda at the end there, try mounting /dev/sda or /dev/sda1
[02:47] <qr_> dafydd: sd means scsi device, sda is the first scsi device and sda1 is the first partition on the first scsi device, so one of those should probably work
[02:47] <Dr_willis> dafydd,  'sudo fdisk -l' should also now show the devices and filesystems on them
[02:48] <Kohlrak-Serve1> note to self, nextime just re-install the darn graphics driver, saves all that trouble
[02:48] <Kohlrak-Serve1> now i gotta reset all my icons and even some menues disappeared
[02:49] <Kohlrak-Serve1> gonna come in on my laptop
[02:49] <dafydd> Dr_willis, doing that command says that /dev/hda1 is an extended filesystem
[02:49] <Dr_willis> Kohlrak-Serve1,  menus?  heh - those shouldent affect menus
[02:49] <sergio> is there any linux program or application I can program to send and receive mails with an attached text file????
[02:49] <Dr_willis> dafydd,  yes.. it proberly is. :) extended partition,
[02:49] <Dr_willis> odd that its not a primary
[02:49] <kcman1> i am having some vlc troubles anyone know audio fixes
[02:49] <Dr_willis> dafydd,  but hda1 is NOT the same as 'sda1'
[02:50] <dafydd> oh wait, duhh, it's at /dev/sda1
[02:50] <Dr_willis> hda - used to be for the ide drives.. but often ide drives also show up as 'sd#' now a days
[02:50] <RequinB4> apparently i need virtualbox-ose-modules-generic but all it does is depend on something that won't install that won't install directly because it depends on something else that doesn't existg
[02:50] <dafydd> YESS SUCESS thanks qr and Dr_willis
[02:50] <qr_> dafydd: cheers!
[02:51] <dafydd> well thanks for all the help everybody, I'm going to reinstall now with the currect version of ubuntu, the 64 bit
[02:51] <Dr_willis> RequinB4,  id heard those were beign worked on.. not sure what/why theres a delay
[02:51] <destry> I installed the xubuntu-desktop and I rebooted and still have the gnome desktop, but when I go to login it says xubuntu.. Why is this? :-\
[02:51] <Dr_willis> bye all . work time
[02:52] <newpers> omg... mercurial is now on 1.0.2 and hardy is still using 0.9.5
[02:52] <qr_> destry: at the login screen there's a button in the lower left corner to change session.  Change to xubuntu and it will show xfce when you log in.
[02:52] <perillux> would anyone please be able to assist me in getting suspend OR hibernate to work in Hardy on my laptop?
[02:52] <newpers> 1.0 was release 3/2008
[02:52] <onthefence928> every now and then the router at my house likes to kick my computer off the internet sometimes, and sometimes it just won't show up in my list of wireless networks. it usually happens after someone uses a lot of bandwidth, but then it's impossible to get the connection back without restarting my computer or restarting teh router or both. my roommate both use vista and they connect right away and i'm stuck staring at firefox error pages.
[02:53] <jejones__> My computer is no longer connecting to the network. I've swapped cables and tried a Live CD, with no change. Other computers on the LAN can connect. The LED for the on-mobo ethernet (which I'm trying to use, which worked until this evening, and which is enabled in BIOS) LED lights up when connected, and system log shows it sees when I connect and disconnect the cable from the switch. Is there something else I can try before concluding
[02:53] <jejones__>  the on-mobo ethernet is hosed and buying an ethernet card for it?
[02:53] <destry> qr_ thank you very much didn't know that.
[02:55] <qr_> jejones__: have you checked your routing tables? ( 'route' in a terminal) there should be a 'default' entry with the ip address if your router.
[02:55] <jejones__> qr_: no, I haven't. I will give that a try. Thanks.
[02:55] <jvargas_> hi
[02:56] <jvargas_> what is the app that allows me to run a desktop application as root?
[02:56] <unop> jvargas_, gksu or gksudo
[02:56] <jvargas_> like the one used by synaptics to ask my pass
[02:56] <jvargas_> o
[02:56] <jvargas_> k
[02:56] <onthefence928> jvargas: be VERY careful
[02:56] <jvargas_> cool :)
[02:57] <jejones__> qr_: tried it; no entries whatsoever.
[02:57] <jvargas_> dont worry, ill used it to run my virtual machines
[02:57] <qr_> jejones__: connect all the wires and run 'sudo route add default gw your.router.ip.address' and then see if that helps.
[02:58] <qr_> jejones__: also make sure you have an ip address before you run route ( ie run sudo dhclient yournetworkdevice )
[02:58] <D0c5i5> i'm new to ubuntu, and i have a strange problem... on a fresh installation (dell d830 laptop) i get nothing when i click on  roaming network icon... but if i set manual it doesn't work after reboot unless i turn on roaming and turn it back off again
[02:59] <dfgas> how do i get desktop icons to default to right side
[02:59] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5, what wireless card do you have?
[03:00] <Wannabe> i need help with my teamspeak, sound dosnt work inside of my teamspeak
[03:00] <meteoroid> hm, so selinux is set up, but when I ls -lZ, i see ? and numbers, not selinux context names.. am i missing something?
[03:00]  * ShujinT will be looking for help tracking down a system hard lockup issue when someone's available, please.
[03:01] <Mr_Fixit> can i shrink partitions with gparted like partition magic would do??
[03:01] <D0c5i5> SeaPhor: checking
[03:01] <meteoroid> ShujinT: explain more, please..
[03:01] <godzirra> Hi folks.  I'm trying to get my realtek 8101 wireless card working in linux and I cant seem to get it detected.  lspci finds it, but it doesnt show up in iwconfig or ifconfig.
[03:01] <meteoroid> i'll do what i can..
[03:02] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5, lshw -C network    pastebin it
[03:02] <meteoroid> Mr_Fixit: not sure, read the docs, perhaps?
[03:02] <mikeb55> Anyone know off hand if I can request the size of a file, before I was to download it?  would wget do this possible?
[03:02] <D0c5i5> iwl4965
[03:02] <Mr_Fixit> yea... thought a fast answer may exist here.... thanks anyways meteoroid
[03:02] <kitche> godzirra: so ifconfig -a shows nothing like wlan0 or ethX well eth0 will most likely be your ethernet if you have ethernet
[03:02] <ozzloy> my upgrade to 8.04 has been stuck for 2 hours now.  can someone help me troubleshoot?
[03:02] <jejones__> qr_: sudo dhclient eth0 seems to have done the trick... which leaves the question of why that is either not being run or is failing at startup time. Where does that normally happen?
[03:02] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5, lshw -C network    pastebin it  please
[03:03] <ShujinT> meteroid - Thank you. I occationally have a hard-lockup problem under 7.10. I'm fairly certain it's not an IRQ Conflict / system dualboots Win2k no problem. I think the prob is with the sound system... but I don;t know where to start looking or if I should rip out all the ALSO / OSS stuff and reboot / redetect.
[03:03] <ajhtiredwolf> Hello I am trying to isntall tor, everything appears to be configured right from what ive seen on how to's I found via google, but tor still doesn't appear to be working
[03:03] <godzirra> kitche: eth0 shows but thats my wired.  Other than that, just the loopback interface.
[03:03] <lwizardl> does RS232 to USB adapters work properly under Ubuntu (ie RS232 Serial -> USB port)
[03:03] <qr_> jejones__: I don't know why it wouldn't be run automaitcally.  That command basically tells your computer to request an IP address, so it makes sense that you couldn't connect without it being run.
[03:03] <marko-_-> ajhtiredwolf, on firefox 3 it's still not working ok
[03:04] <kc8pxy> in my native distro , i always have the kernel headers if i have a kernel installed..  what is the headers package for the 8.04.1 server kernel headers?
[03:04] <meteoroid> ShujinT: you may also consider that the linux kernel sometimes has issues with bad memory that windows accepts, though i think the adoption of the NT kernel has reduced, though not eliminated, this dynamic..
[03:04] <meteoroid> as for sound, well, if you can remove something to see if it's the root of the problem, i suggest doing so..
[03:04] <jejones__> qr_: OK. I will pursue that question via Google now that I can. Thanks very much for your help.
[03:04] <meteoroid> or is it only when using sound?
[03:04] <Pici> ajhtiredwolf: You may want to check out #tor, if its already installed and you just need help configuring it or getting it to work.
[03:04] <nDuff> lwizardl, those have been supported in the meanline kernel for a very long time
[03:05] <nDuff> lwizardl, so I'd be shocked if they didn't.
[03:05] <ajhtiredwolf> marko-_-,  I dont think it is a problem with firefox 3, when starting vidalia, it says " tor is starting up" but hangs there
[03:05] <qr_> jejones__: did you plug in your ethernet after starting the computer?  I've never had any luck with dhclient being run automatically unless I had /etc/network/interfaces set up correctly and everything plugged in on boot.
[03:05] <murlidhar> how to change themes without using a software ?
[03:05] <marko-_-> ajhtiredwolf, then i don't know
[03:05] <qr_> murlidhar: you don't . nothing on your computer happens at all without using a software.
[03:05] <ajhtiredwolf> Pici, alrighty
[03:06] <ShujinT> meteoroid - Possible.. however I'm not leaning that way yet. I'll run MemCheck overnight tonight to be sure... but would it account for the system locking up hard - unable to be reset / woken up even with a 'SysReq' function?
[03:06] <lwizardl> nDuff: ok because i'm looking at a serial port based cash display pole, and my computer is legacy-free (only has 5 usb ports, and no rs232 serial ports)
[03:06] <koshar1> can you schedule scrollkeepers update ?
[03:06] <murlidhar> qr_: i meant with using a GUI application like gtkchtheme
[03:06] <D0c5i5> SeaPhor: http://paste.ubuntu.com/40306/
[03:06] <koshar1> !scrollkeeper
[03:06] <nDuff> lwizardl, "make menuconfig" in the kernel-sources; there's a whole section listing which of those devices it's compatible with.
[03:06] <SeaPhor> ty, looking
[03:06] <qr_> murlidhar: ahh, I see. it's unlikely that you'd be able tochange gnome themese without using a gnome gui app.
[03:07] <meteoroid> ShujinT: certainly, memory can be the blame for the worst of all computing problems, always..
[03:07] <meteoroid> everything goes through memory..
[03:07] <favro> murlidhar: use the .gtk-2.0 file in /home/you and then restart x
[03:07] <murlidhar> favro: thanks
[03:07] <favro> np
[03:07] <nDuff> lwizardl, I used one of those ~8 years ago when doing embedded systems work, but I don't remember who made it, so you're safest checking the list.
[03:08] <dougan> Hey I just installed ubuntu and xchat and seem to be having problems accepting DCC file transfers.  Any ideas?
[03:08] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5, and your ap, is it encrypted with wep. wpa? what?
[03:08] <mikeb55> Anyone know how I would do a head request with wget, and not have it download the file?
[03:08] <D0c5i5> SeaPhor: wpa
[03:08] <nDuff> mikeb55, personally, I find that easier with curl than wget; you can use -X to tell it the request type
[03:08] <ShujinT> meteoroid - (*Chuckle*) Yes, well.. point there. That'll be damned annoying then.... Alright. I'll go looking there. To be safe, though, if there's a conflict in the sound system, though.. might that cause the same thing, would you think? (Sorry.. been a LONG time since I dealt with a HARD-lock like this.)
[03:08] <qr_> mikeb55: read man wget... if it's possible then man wget will tell you.
[03:08] <mikeb55> qr_: couldn't find it..
[03:08] <meteoroid> irq conflicts can also cause all sorts of problems..
[03:08] <mikeb55> yah I will use curl
[03:08] <qr_> mikeb55: then it's probably not possible.
[03:08] <godzirra> kitche: any ideas?
[03:08] <meteoroid> i haven't resolved one on a gnu/linux system for some time
[03:09] <nDuff> mikeb55, also, curl has a --head
[03:09] <meteoroid> can you remove the sound card, or is it onboard? what do you think it may be conflicting with?
[03:09] <meteoroid> have you looked in /proc and with various tools at irq usage at runtime?
[03:09] <D0c5i5> SeaPhor: brb, bio
[03:09] <meteoroid> under what circumstances does it hang?
[03:09] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5, np
[03:10] <Quiescent> i followed some guide to get Flash 10 Release Candidate working in Ubuntu
[03:10] <ShujinT> meteoroid - It's Onboard (Gigabyte GA-K8U-939) Reports as ALi M5455 w/ ALC850... Not sure.. but I get the funny feeling it's bashing heads with... /something/.. when I run DJ software too... but that's also hit-or-miss
[03:10] <Quiescent> i had to install some extra repository
[03:11] <jordo2323> I am attempting to hook a Linksys Wireless B USB network adapter to a freshly installed copy of Ubuntu Hardy. It's not connecting....do I have to install a certain driver?
[03:11] <ShujinT> meteoroid - lemme run proc and see now
[03:11] <meteoroid> hm..
[03:11] <_hase> Is there an alternative to alsa, I can't seem to make sound work
[03:11] <zelrikriando> Quiescent, did you follow that link : http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5587712&postcount=472
[03:11] <Quiescent> now i can't remove the repository, my firefox is f'd
[03:11] <meteoroid> can you elaborate on this funny feeling? i can certainly relate, but sometimes one leads oneself down a tangential path ;)
[03:11] <D0c5i5> SeaPhor: i'm back
[03:11] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5, does it ever connect to the ap?
[03:12] <Quiescent> zelrikriando: no, i followed another one that completely f'ed up all sorts of things
[03:12] <Quiescent> zelrikriando: my firefox is so screwed
[03:13] <chaosrl> does anyone know the difference between full-input and half-input mode in scim?
[03:13] <ShujinT> meteoroid - True.. as I'm doing the DJ thing in SecondLife, I'll occationally get scratchy sounds, little glitches in the sound... sometimes it'll lock, sometimes not... I followed the suggestions regarding IDJC's use and popped in the realtime kernel... but it happened in a passive overnight(burnin)  test too
[03:13] <D0c5i5> SeaPhor: yes... but only if i go in that sequence... i have to switch it back and forth from manual to roaming then i can set it manually
[03:13] <Quiescent> my bookmarks are gone, can't view history, when i load a page and then click a link it doesn't update the address bar
[03:13] <Quiescent> clicking on external links doesn't work
[03:13] <D0c5i5> if i set it manually and reboot, it does not work after a reboot until i set roaming then re-set manual
[03:14] <D0c5i5> it transmits/receives packets, according to ifconfig, but it cannot get an IP address via dhcp, and cannot ping/browse/etc if i set the IP manually
[03:14] <ShujinT> meteoroid - Huh! I see both the sound and ethernet on the same IRQ - 18...Odd
[03:14] <D0c5i5> but if i follow that sequence, then i am able to dhcp/ping/browse/etc
[03:15] <dafydd> hey out there to all 64-bit users, I'm an ubuntu noob and am about to reinstall ubuntu using the 64-bit version (I have a laptop with an amd turion processor). Is it significantly harder to use a 64-bit version of ubuntu?
[03:15] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5, ok, can you pastebiin your /etc/network/interfaces file?
[03:15] <kitche> dafydd: no just that some software is not native to x86_64
[03:16] <bbyever> when is ubuntu open week?
[03:17] <dafydd> kitch: thanks. I should definitely see a boost in speed from my old install of x86 right?
[03:17] <D0c5i5> SeaPhor: http://paste.ubuntu.com/40309/
[03:17] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5,  thats   gksudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces  then ctrl+a    then open http://paste.ubuntu.com   shift+insert   submit
[03:18] <kitche> dafydd: not really for desktop use really you just might see like a 1% increase
[03:18] <godzirra> Hi folks.  I'm trying to get my realtek 8101 wireless card working in linux and I cant seem to get it detected.  lspci finds it, but it doesnt show up in iwconfig or ifconfig -a.
[03:19] <luckyone> hello all, quick question about samba shares
[03:19] <godzirra> After installing the ATI driver now, after I login I get a white screen with my mouse cursor too. :/
[03:19] <dafydd> kitche: ahh ok. Any other reasons for using the x86_64 architecture?
[03:19] <kitche> dafydd: well if you have 4gigs of ram
[03:19] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5, ok, here is the problem,,, your interfaces file sees the name wlan0 and your hardware is called wmaster0...
[03:19] <wnstn> dafydd: the biggest pain is you may have to compile from source a lot. I know I do.
[03:19] <luckyone> I have set up a samba share on my ubuntu server. My windows pc can connect to it just fine. However, my ubuntu desktop can't seem to connect/mount it
[03:20] <dafydd> kitche: I guess I better stick with the x86, I only have about 2 gigs of ram
[03:21] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5,  and this is beyond me at this point i have suggestion on what i would do but it may make matters worse,,,
[03:21] <D0c5i5> SeaPhor: hmm... i saw wmaster0 in my network tools to... but it reports (unknown interface)
[03:21] <phantomcircuit> why is it that one application can take down my entire desktop?
[03:22] <perillux> phantomcircuit: what do you mean?
[03:22] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5, look at System>Administration> Hardware... in the gui...
[03:22] <phantomcircuit> i mean one process just caused me to have to do a control_alt_backspace
[03:22] <Asa_A> Can anyone here help me with an rsync problem? I sync my home to another computer every night (rsync -av --delete /home/me/ other-computer:/home/me) I have some files that aren't right though. One of them is 14k on my computer and 4G on the other.
[03:23] <SeaPhor> make sure if your wireless drivers are there i restricted that they are enabled and in use
[03:23] <Asa_A> rsync should keep those files exactly the same but it isn't for some reason
[03:23] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5,  make sure if your wireless drivers are there i restricted that they are enabled and in use
[03:23] <D0c5i5> I have Hardware Drivers and Hardware Testing
[03:23] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5, drivers
[03:23] <D0c5i5> SeaPhor: nope, just my nvidia is listed
[03:23] <phantomcircuit> perillux, VirtualBox brought my entire desktop to a grinding halt because a process in the virtual machine went crazy
[03:23] <SeaPhor> ok D0c5i5
[03:23] <ShujinT> meteoroid - Thanks for the idea... I'll see what the mem test says and hope for the best. Thank you very kindly.
[03:23] <phantomcircuit> why is it able to do that?
[03:24] <SeaPhor> was just a thought,, i would do the following... D0c5i5
[03:24] <perillux> phantomcircuit: no idea.  did you try a kill -9 ?
[03:24] <phantomcircuit> i couldnt get to a terminal :|
[03:24] <phantomcircuit> the entire screen was completely unresponsive
[03:25] <perillux> phantomcircuit: ya that happens to me sometimes when playing cs on WINE.
[03:25] <phantomcircuit> :|
[03:25] <phantomcircuit> maybe it's freezing up a kernel module
[03:25] <phantomcircuit> bleh
[03:26] <phantomcircuit> oh i think i know what it was
[03:26] <phantomcircuit> it ran out of memory in the virtual machine
[03:26] <phantomcircuit> started to use page file
[03:26] <phantomcircuit> and the caused a kernel module to go nutz adding to the disk
[03:26] <phantomcircuit> lame sauce
[03:26] <Lyk4n8rwp0S> hi a friend has insanely huge boot times (3'21" in a 3GHz/1 Giga Ram machine) and I can't really see what's wrong with it. It appears that after sh loads a modprobe loads which runs for almost 3 minutes!! (the bootchart graph is available here >> http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hardy200808251ph9.png ) Any ideas people what is wrong with it?
[03:26] <Asa_A> Does anyone here occasionally get the problem where the panels in gnome are unresponsive so you can't shutdown/reboot or start a new program (on hardy)? Its happened to me several times but not enough for me to find any patern or be able to reproduce it.
[03:27] <perillux> phantomcircuit: how'd you come to realize that?
[03:27] <mikeb55> md5sum doesn't take into consideration the file name, just contents, correct?
[03:27] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5,  sudo cp /etc/network/interfaces /etc/network/interfaces.bak   then gksudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces and change wlan0 to wmaster0  save and exit and restart network with sudo /etc/networking restart
[03:31] <D0c5i5> SeaPhor: no go
[03:31] <D0c5i5> SeaPhor: http://paste.ubuntu.com/40313/
[03:32] <fabien_> salu
[03:33] <D0c5i5> i have both a wlan0 and a wmaster0 in System>Administration>Network Tools
[03:34] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5, why are you logged in as root?
[03:34] <D0c5i5> but if I click on the configure button with wlan0 highlighted, i get "The interface does not exist"
[03:34] <D0c5i5> SeaPhor: i'm not, just have a su console
[03:35] <tragik> under gnome how can I get a launcher to launch an app with root privs via sudo or something else?
[03:35] <tj83> D0c5i5, pastebin outputs of ifconfig and iwconfig
[03:35] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5, verry odd
[03:35] <Odd-rationale> tragik: use gksudo
[03:36] <Paro[Away]> tragik: set the launcher command to 'gksudo [command]'
[03:36] <tragik> ahh perfect, ill try that, thanks guys
[03:37] <tragik> worked perfect, thanks odd-rationale and Paro
[03:37] <D0c5i5> tj83: http://paste.ubuntu.com/40314/
[03:37] <geek_> ok.. is there any logical reason that CPU usage should go down across the board after a system has been running for a day or two?
[03:37] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5, try the following,,, iwconfig       iwlist scanning
[03:38] <Paro[Away]> geek_: that would depend on the types of applications you have running
[03:39] <tj83> D0c5i5, SeaPhor looks like its connected ?
[03:39] <tj83> D0c5i5, SeaPhor odd IP tho
[03:39] <geek_> Paro[Away]: well lets see, apt went from 70% processor usage for a single update, to negligible usage for the whole system...
[03:39] <xomp> help! I updated my hardy and now I get a kernel panic  when rebooting. I have to press ESC and choose a different kernel from the list for it to boot right :(
[03:39] <D0c5i5> SeaPhor: http://paste.ubuntu.com/40316/
[03:39] <SeaPhor> tj83, D0c5i5 , yes, it does, maybe a dns prob?
[03:40] <kraypius> does ubuntu 8.04 support whole drive encryption during the install process?
[03:40] <kraypius> i dont see the option
[03:40] <geek_> kraypius: i belive the alternate install disks support encrypted LVM
[03:40] <kraypius> geek, whats an alternate install disk?
[03:41] <D0c5i5> which IP is odd?
[03:41] <SeaPhor> tj83, why odd?
[03:41] <LancerDragoon> Hi, all.
[03:41] <geek_> kraypius: the command line install disk, you can download it by clicking on a checkbox...
[03:41] <tj83> D0c5i5, have you tried to connect to any other wireless network? anyother that you could try your connection on?
[03:41] <LancerDragoon> I have a problem with my 8.04 LiveCD; it keeps booting into BusyBox. Does anyone have any ideas?
[03:41] <SeaPhor> tj83, D0c5i5 , 172.16.x.x are common with some dhcp routers
[03:42] <D0c5i5> yea, my network here is 172.16.55.x for VPN reasons
[03:42] <tj83> SeaPhor, ok, just havent experienced that before.
[03:42] <D0c5i5> PtP VPM router
[03:42] <Paro[Away]> geek_: remember that CPU time is controlled by the scheduler; if you had nothing else running while you used apt the first time, apt would've gotten all the cpu time it wanted. if later on other applications were running, apt wouldn't have gotten such a large share of cpu time between top polls
[03:42] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5, which is your ap tho,,,    ESSID:"Buckinutz"   or  ESSID:"NG-J1"   ?
[03:43] <D0c5i5> tj83: i can connect to any wireless network if i follow that pattern...
[03:43] <D0c5i5> SeaPhor: neither...
[03:43] <geek_> Paro[Away]: wierd thing is, the CPU was at 100% at that time. now its at a more reasonable 10% or so...
[03:43] <geek_> so unless the sheduler 'learns' it dosen't make sense
[03:43] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5,  ESSID:"airbox2"  ? ythats the 1?
[03:43] <ivx> hey i want to have a shared folder me and my wife can access (just for one computer) that will have pics and music. is there a better way to do it then make a /shared folder then link to it on each of our desktops?
[03:43] <LancerDragoon> No one has any ideas on why my Ubuntu LiveCD keeps booting into BusyBox (initramfs)? This happens even after I tried installing Ubuntu using Wubi.
[03:44] <xomp> help! I updated my hardy and now I get a kernel panic  when rebooting. I have to press ESC and choose a different kernel from the list for it to boot right :( can nobody help?
[03:44] <Paro[Away]> geek_: when was it at 100%? what process was using it?
[03:44] <D0c5i5> SeaPhor: yes
[03:44] <geek_> Paro[Away]: 70% apt at one point
[03:44] <kraypius> geek, is there anyway to encypt the system volume after i have already installed?
[03:44] <Paro[Away]> xomp: details on the kernel panic (when it happens, what if says if you can get that info, etc. etc.)
[03:44] <geek_> in some cases though, processor usage seemed higher than the sum of process usage
[03:45] <phantomcircuit> perillux, because its the only thing that made sense in the slightest
[03:45] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5, this is gonna sound really stupid,,, but is there a button on your laptop to turn on/off the wireless>?
[03:45] <Paro[Away]> geek_: what are you using to monitor cpu usage?
[03:45] <xomp> Paro[Away], it says something like "Init:<PHONE_NUMBER>7epr2387" then my NumLock, Caps Lock & Scroll Lock light flash
[03:45] <jtacuyan> digg
[03:45] <geek_> kraypius: hmm.. not as far as i know
[03:45] <D0c5i5> SeaPhor: i re-ran it a few times and airbox2 finally showed up... here's a larger list... http://paste.ubuntu.com/40319/
[03:45] <geek_> Paro[Away]: top
[03:45] <jgrabham> xomp - you can always edit grub to make it boot xyz kernel by default
[03:46] <Paro[Away]> geek_: what other processes were running when apt was using so much cpu time?
[03:46] <xomp> jgrabham, I'm not a pro with linux hehe, fairly new :P
[03:46] <D0c5i5> SeaPhor: hmm... no button, but there might be a FN+Key combo, lemme look at the keyboard
[03:46] <rabiddachshund> This is weird. I can ssh but not scp - password denied. Fresh install.
[03:46] <geek_> Paro[Away]: erm, nothing other than the standard stuff. at the time lxde, nm-applet and not much else
[03:46] <D0c5i5> SeaPhor: no, there isn't one that i can see
[03:46] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5, my bro-in-law's was messing with me same way,,, til i turned it on, lol
[03:47] <geek_> Paro[Away]: what gets me is that it seems to be running better after i left it on overnight in frustration...
[03:47] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5, its off by default in ubuntu btw
[03:47] <jordo2323> How do you connect to a wireless network using the command line with a wep key?
[03:47] <jgrabham> xomp - run        sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst     in a terminal
[03:47] <D0c5i5> i don't suppose by any freak chance a s/w update would help...
[03:48] <tj83> D0c5i5, if you dhclient wlan0 does it give you a new IP? renew the same one? from what address did the offer come from? can you ping that address?
[03:48] <Paro[Away]> geek_: that's the key; if apt is one of the only running processes and it's nicety is higher than the other active procs, it will get massive amounts of CPU% because the scheduler awards it that
[03:48] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5, absolutely, always
[03:49] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5, i always recommend that if wireless dont work on install, hard-line it to get all updates
[03:49] <geek_> Paro[Away]: but i got the same amount of stuff, the same settings, and its using less...
[03:49] <geek_> literally, other than running for a day, its an IDENTICAL system
[03:49] <Paro[Away]> geek_: for example, right now my FaHCore.exe is consuming 99.8% of my gateway's cpu time. It's nicety, however is 19, so if anything else runs, the scheduler will prfer the new task over fahcore
[03:49] <D0c5i5> SeaPhor: what's the correct way to enable it? when i attempt to use the systray icon i don't get any listing of ssids, nor can i add one... but a manual configuration populates the list with all the ssids it can see
[03:50] <Paro[Away]> geek_: if the settings are identical (which that can sometimes be hard to determine) the discrepancy can be chalked up to the type of operation apt is completing. Certain packages (especially large ones) require heavier computational demands than others
[03:50] <D0c5i5> SeaPhor: okay, that's what I'll do now then.
[03:50] <SeaPhor> D0c5i5, is the ap broadcasting?
[03:50] <D0c5i5> SeaPhor:yes
[03:50] <geek_> Paro[Away]: ssh server takes more processor power than a dist-upgrade? ;p
[03:50] <tj83> D0c5i5, if you dhclient wlan0 does it give you a new IP? renew the same one? from what address did the offer come from? can you ping that address?
[03:51] <SeaPhor> get the updates, then come back after a reboot, but if not here check #SeaPhor
[03:51] <SeaPhor> get the updates, then come back after a reboot, but if not here check #SeaPhor D0c5i5
[03:51] <Paro[Away]> geek_: if you were writing an application that was going to take a long time and consume a lot of resources, would you nice it so that it consumes all the machine's time, or would you make it a polite app that uses cpu time only when other, more important (user) apps are running?
[03:51] <Paro[Away]> err, 'that uses cpu time only when other more impt apps offer it up'
[03:51] <Paro[Away]> I can think!! *durrr*
[03:52] <geek_> Paro[Away]: erm.. like i said. same system, uses less CPU time across the board... after a day
[03:52] <geek_> apt was an example. xorg is using 10% as opposed to 20% ...
[03:52] <D0c5i5> tj83: gives me the same ip (renew), <IP_ADDRESS>, yes i can ping it... everything works great if I do that toggle back and forth from manual to roaming and back to manual (except i can access the configuration in the gui)
[03:52] <geek_> when i left the system on, it was using 50% processor doing nothing.. its using ~20ish now...
[03:52] <jgrabham> xomp - you there?
[03:52] <D0c5i5> how do i update ubuntu? (i'm fishing around for it)
[03:53] <D0c5i5> Synaptic?
[03:53] <tj83> D0c5i5, sudo apt-get update %% apt-get upgrade
[03:53] <tj83> D0c5i5, && not %%
[03:53] <tj83> D0c5i5, sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[03:53] <jkatana> I'm running ubuntu 8.04, for some reason, whenever I right click any application it gives me the (minimize,maximize,move,resize) option anywhere I click, and if I try to click somewhere else, ie. desktop, main menu, right click doesn't do anything
[03:53] <Paro[Away]> geek_: it's hard to say without looking at your process environment. you could also chalk it up to the processes setting themselves up and asserting themselves on first run...
[03:53] <Prikolchik> D0c5i5, or look in System -> Update manager
[03:54] <geek_> Paro[Away]: hmm, *that* makes sense
[03:54] <Paro[Away]> geek_: but it really just sounds like there are more active processes later on and so each individual process's share of the total cpu time is reduced
[03:54] <geek_> Paro[Away]: naw, they really are behaving a lot better in general
[03:54] <Paro[Away]> geek_: i'm not sure what time frame you monitored these processes over, but they do tend to vary greatly with time
[03:54] <tj83> D0c5i5, /join #SeaPhor
[03:55] <geek_> Paro[Away]: 2 hours, got fed up.. came back and everything worked better the next morning ;p
[03:55] <Paro[Away]> geek_: if it's an issue that goes away with time (though a day seems a bit long...) then it's likely just the processes setting themselves up
[03:55] <Paro[Away]> lol
[03:55] <Paro[Away]> how peculiar o.o
[03:55] <geek_> VERY
[03:55] <Prikolchik> geek_, spent 1 day fixing wireless... next day it just worked right away...
[03:56] <geek_> Prikolchik: i hate that. i want to understand ;p
[03:56] <Paro[Away]> geek_: how many active processes did you have the first time compared with the second time? i wonder if it wasn't just some of the daemons settling down
[03:56] <geek_> Paro[Away]: can't remember unfortunately...
[03:56] <Supercom32> Does anyone know what the /data folder is used for?
[03:56] <geek_> but yeah, that makes sense to me
[03:56] <Kohlrak> You know, i could sit here and disable every special graphics feature of compiz here, and my screensaver will still flicker. Any idea why (as no matter what i enable or disable, the screen saver still flickers)?
[03:57] <roboton> hi, any idea why whatś need for my keyboard to do the default when press Shift+¨ combo
[03:57] <seekingtruth> hello sinners
[03:57] <Prikolchik> Supercom32, are u Dual Booting with windows?
[03:57] <Madpilot> roboton, hit the spacebar after shift+"
[03:57] <roboton> currently whenever I need to do it I takes two press on ¨ char before it appears
[03:57] <Paro[Away]> Kohlrak: which screensaver? all of them?
[03:57] <Supercom32> priprikolchik: Nope.
[03:57] <Kohlrak> Paro, yulp...
[03:58] <Madpilot> roboton, or switch from us-intl to another keyboard mapping
[03:58] <Paro[Away]> Kohlrak: which window manager are you using?
[03:58] <Kohlrak> paro: well, that is of the ones that even work (some dont' anymore)
[03:58] <Supercom32> Prikolchik: I'm just did a fresh install.
[03:58] <Paro[Away]> which ones don't work?
[03:58] <seekingtruth> good news eh? new ubuntu :-)
[03:58] <roboton> Madpilot:  I´ll try thanks
[03:58] <Paro[Away]> and when did they stop working?
[03:58] <Prikolchik> Supercom32, never mind then... It was disk D mounted automatically for me to /data
[03:58] <Kohlrak> Paro: come again? Gnome is the only window manager thing that i can think of you might be referring to
[03:58] <Kohlrak> paro: the ones that stopped working happened a long time ago when i upgraded to hardy
[03:59] <Paro[Away]> Kohlrak: yeah, that's what i meant :) you could've been using KDE, xfce, fluxbox, etc. instead of gnome
[03:59] <Supercom32> Prikolchik: Well root created my /data folder so I assume its important  but its emply.
[03:59] <Prikolchik> Supercom32, i've got no idea... I've used linux for like 2 days
[03:59] <Kohlrak> so any ideas Paro[Away]?
[03:59] <Paro[Away]> Kohlrak: graphics specs for your machine?
[04:00] <Joeseph> I am attempting to use my windows printer with ubuntu.  I already am using shared folders on the vista computer, so I do have the network configured at least mostly correct.  When I  try to add the printer to my network though, through the admin->Printing, I can see the computer, but not the printer.
[04:00] <Joeseph> I had the same problem with the folders, which I could not see, but I could type in the full path and access them.   However, the smb:// line for a printer is a bit complicated.
[04:00] <Kohlrak> Paro[Away]: can't remember the specific card. It's an ati thing (on a laptop bug plugged into a wall), but i don't think it's the card since enabling the rain and fire and other fancy features don't increase the flicker any.
[04:01] <XX01XX> Anyone have any experience with Wubi installs gone awry?
[04:02] <Joeseph> So, I guess I have two either or questions: How do I fill in a 'smb://' line for a windows printer OR how do I make the printer visible to my ubuntu machine.  The printer is connected to a vista computer, and other computers (my vista laptop) can print off it.
[04:02] <Flannel> !printer | Joeseph
[04:02] <Paro[Away]> Kohlrak: in all likelihood the flickering is caused by the ati 'radeon' set of drivers
[04:03] <Paro[Away]> Kohlrak: these are the open-source drivers released by ATI and regrettably they suck terribly.
[04:03] <Paro[Away]> Kohlrak: what i'd recommend is switching over to the proprietary (closed-source) fglrx drivers to solve the problem :S
[04:03] <Kohlrak> Paro[Away]: is fglrx amoung the radeon drivers?
[04:04] <Paro[Away]> Kohlrak: it's not the best solution (since open source is awesome) but if it solves your problem for now...
[04:04] <Paro[Away]> Kohlrak: go into Settings>Administration>Restricted drivers manager; is there a thing there for the ATI drivers?
[04:04] <Supercom32> Generally for ubuntu, what folder to people usually use to store swap files in?
[04:04] <Supercom32> root?
[04:04] <LSD|Ninja> Paro[Away]: fglrx should be offered there just like nVidia and everything else
[04:05] <danbhfive> Supercom32: what are swap files?
[04:05] <Omoikane> I just got a bamboo tablet today and was wondering if I could get it to work in Ubuntu.
[04:05] <Kohlrak> Paro[Away]: I think i'm already using the fglrx drivers (though the driver sucking makes sense). I think it's horribly coded, and the restricted drivers manager doesn't show up anymroe
[04:05] <Kohlrak> Never mind, there it is
[04:05] <Paro[Away]> LSD|Ninja: wanted to check if he had a supported radeon card (card<RV250 -> no fglrx)
[04:05] <daviduxe> Does anyone here use a thinkpad (t43?) or a computer that uses atheros for wifi?
[04:06] <jordo2323_> Has anyone had any luck installing a LINKSYS WIRELESS USB ADAPTER to Ubuntu?
[04:06] <LSD|Ninja> Paro[Away]: <R250 you don't need it
[04:06] <LSD|Ninja> daviduxe: I do
[04:06] <geek_> jordo2323_: just works for me
[04:06] <Paro[Away]> LSD|Ninja: exactly; so it would be a fruitless avenue to pursue if that were the case ^.^
[04:06] <geek_> daviduxe: yes to the former. the thinkwiki would be of some help i think
[04:06] <Kohlrak> Yea, Paro[Away], it's gotta be horrible coding on their part, because i already am on the proprietary drivers (who'd want open source drivers anyway unless you plan on making your own kernel?)
[04:06] <jordo2323_> geek_:  Not so much for me....I originally got it to see the wireless hub, but it won't connect
[04:07] <daviduxe> geek_: thanks!
[04:07] <geek_> jordo2323_: what kinda encryption?
[04:07] <nat1> yo dudes! sup!
[04:07] <jordo2323_> geek_: wep 64-bit
[04:07] <geek_> daviduxe: np. that site is VERY useful for any thinkpad/linux user
[04:07] <LSD|Ninja> daviduxe: what is the specific trpouble you're having?
[04:07] <`101gfx> How do I shut down an XP comp from a hardy comp over lan?
[04:07] <jordo2323_> geek_: Did you have to use ndiswrapper?
[04:07] <nat1> whats the plugin that when i bring a window to the front the windows move out of the way?
[04:07] <LSD|Ninja> `101gfx: remote desktop
[04:08] <geek_> jordo2323_:no
[04:08] <PokerFace> is it easy to install ubuntu?
[04:08] <geek_> i use wpa/wpa2 though
[04:08] <`101gfx> LSD|Ninja, can it be done through terminal?
[04:08] <Paro[Away]> Kohlrak: open source drivers aren't necessarily user-made; it'd just be nice if all the code that makes our graphics cards go was exposed to us :)
[04:08] <guesswho> PokerFace; yes
[04:08] <Cpudan80> PokerFace: as easy as windows
[04:08] <Flannel> Supercom32: /mnt/blah.swap  I guess.  Thats what the wiki uses (/mnt/512MB.swap)
[04:08] <Flannel> Supercom32: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[04:08] <Paro[Away]> Kohlrak: so you're already using fglrx; what's the output of fglrxinfo?
[04:08] <jordo2323_> geek_: how can I tell if the usb adapter is installed correctly?
[04:08] <LSD|Ninja> `101gfx: It can, if Windows offered a remote text terminal service that you would actually want enabled
[04:08] <PokerFace> oohh... il try to install it whenever my extra HD arrives....
[04:08] <PokerFace> :D
[04:09] <PokerFace> soo that i can explore new more things..:D
[04:09] <l3d> man ayttm wont update and I cant get it to work
[04:09] <PokerFace> coz im using windows ayt now.
[04:09] <guesswho> PokerFace; ubuntu is 10x better then windows
[04:09] <Paro[Away]> PokerFace: ubuntu install is stupid simple
[04:09] <geek_> jordo2323_: hmm.. lsusb i guess
[04:10] <geek_> jordo2323_: if it sees the AP and won't connect, messing with the type of wep key might help though
[04:10] <nat1> whats the plugin that when i bring a window to the front the windows move out of the way?
[04:10] <Kohlrak> Paro[Away]: http://paste.ubuntu.com/40325/
[04:10] <daviduxe> lsd|ninja: sadly i am unable to use wifi, i can use a LAN cable though. could we maybe chat in a pm?
[04:10] <PokerFace> yeah2. i know. my cousin told me. but im afraid that some of my softwares might not run in ubuntu
[04:10] <geek_> PokerFace: you can use wubi as a nice easy way to try ubuntu in the meanwhile actually
[04:10] <PokerFace> wubi? just like VMware?
[04:10] <robert__> or do like me and just repartion your windows drive and do dual boot
[04:10] <geek_> it installs and uninstalls from windows, needs to repartitioning, and works decently with a few craveats
[04:11] <geek_> PokerFace: its a full install hosted on a disk image...
[04:11] <PokerFace> i really dont understand dude.
[04:11] <PokerFace> -->rookie.
[04:11] <PokerFace> :(
[04:12] <master_> hi
[04:12] <LSD|Ninja> daviduxe: What specific Atheros chip do you have in there (lspci | grep Ethernet)? The version of madwifi in Hardy covers most of the b/g Atheros chips but some of the newer ones (in particular the ones that are n-capable) may not be supported by that version. They are supported in later versions though and that's where things get tricky
 PokerFace: its a full install hosted on a disk image... -> what do you really mean at dude?
[04:12] <geek_> PokerFace: basically instead of partitioning your disk, ubuntu runs off a file in your hard drive. it does boot like a normal OS though
[04:12] <roboton> Madpilot: I already set my keyboard layout to USA-MAC still same thing
[04:12] <master_> ı need for ubuntu 8.04 vdr
[04:12] <Madpilot> roboton, odd. I've gotten used to us-intl, myself, but it does take some adjustment.
[04:13] <PokerFace> il try to gather some info about ubuntu...BRB
[04:13] <Kohlrak> Pokerface: basically, your computer runs something called an OS. It's a program that runs other programs within it (IE: windows, ubuntu, mac). Ubuntu can co-exist with windows if yu need it to.
[04:13] <Paro[Away]> Kohlrak: can i also get the output of 'lspci | grep ATI'?
[04:14] <Madpilot> roboton, try the Generic 104-key layout
[04:14] <roboton> Madpilot: got it keyboard model is dell 101 PC + mac layout
[04:14] <roboton> Madpilot: now I can type " as usual, thanks a lot
[04:14] <master_> pls help me for vdr
[04:14] <Madpilot> roboton, no problem.
[04:14] <Madpilot> glad you got it sorted
[04:14] <arooni>  http://www.burningangel.com/media/trailers/mayhem_ja_jd_bgg_trailer_ba_high.wmv
[04:14] <XX01XX> wubi seems to be working fine up to a point... and then the screen goes black and stays that way.
[04:15] <Kohlrak> Paro[Away]: http://paste.ubuntu.com/40327/ Are you looking for anything specific?
[04:15] <PokerFace> what are the system requirements of ubuntu?
[04:15] <Lyk4n8rwp0S> Hello, question : Can somebody please tell me how can I see what kernel modules I am loading during start-up (Ι have used lsmod) and how can I find their loading times? Thank you!
[04:15] <Kohlrak> I will say that one entry is odd, though, Paro... Why is ati my audio device when it's clearly something else?
[04:16] <Kohlrak> Pokerface: i'll tell you if your computer can use ubuntu or not. What version of windows are you running?
[04:16] <master_> ı need vdr for ubuntu 8.04
[04:16] <Madpilot> PokerFace, fairly low. Lower than needed to run XP well.
[04:16] <daviduxe> LSD|Ninja: err not sure, in winXP device manager it says 11a/b/g Wireless Lan Mini PCI Adapter; and Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet
[04:16] <PokerFace> XP. Windows XP
[04:16] <Paro[Away]> Kohlrak: sorry, just trying to get a better picture of your machine ^.^;
[04:16] <PokerFace> i have a 512 + 256 RAM
[04:17] <Madpilot> PokerFace, you'll have no problem with Ubuntu, likely.
[04:17] <Kohlrak> It's ok Paro[Away], if you can find something it's welcomed
[04:17] <LSD|Ninja> daviduxe: Oh, Broadcom. That's an entirely different kettle of fish
[04:17] <PokerFace> and my VCARD is very low. TNT Vcard. it has 256
[04:17] <Kohlrak> PokerFace: my computer was a windows xp. As long as you have at least 4 gigs of free space left over, you're fine.
[04:17] <Joeseph> When I connect to my Vista computer over my network, I can see the computer, but I have to manually enter the name of a folder to see anything inside the computer.  This was not a problem until trying to set up my printer.  How can I either set up my printer manually or make the printer appear?
[04:17] <Kohlrak> PokerFace: Ubuntu is notorious for running faster than windows despite being heavier loaded on graphics.
[04:18] <PokerFace> Kohlrak: how can i use dual OS?
[04:18] <_spm_Draget> I am dualbooting with windows and my ubuntu time is 4 hours off. Where do I set ubuntu to use the local time instead?
[04:18] <Joeseph> I really need to know what port to use.
[04:18] <Kohlrak> PokerFace: It's the default operation to dual boot
[04:18] <Madpilot> ubottu, dualboot | PokerFace
[04:18] <PokerFace> oh. where can i set it then?
[04:18] <LSD|Ninja> daviduxe: install b43-fwcutter over your wired connection and then the Broadcom driver should become avaialble in the usual Hardware panel
[04:18] <daviduxe> LSD|Ninja uh oh. But i still have an atheros chip, right? The "manufacturer" for the 11a/b/g Wireless Lan Mini PCI Adapter under the device manager says Atheros communications, inc.
[04:18] <PokerFace> i have my extra HD here. i put it in SLAVE
[04:19] <_spm_Draget> In some config file I can set it to use the localtime instead of CET or something like this.  The rest is pretty straight forward
[04:19] <Paro[Away]> Kohlrak: I assume using the open source 'ati' driver didn't work out so well? with the X300-like card in your laptop, there should be 3d acceleration with that driver
[04:19] <PokerFace> Can i run some softwares here in ubuntu that came from windows originally?
[04:20] <PokerFace> Can i run some softwares here in ubuntu that came from windows originally?
[04:20] <usser> PokerFace, yes certain software, go to appdb.winehq.org for the list
[04:20] <LSD|Ninja> daviduxe: what does lspci say the card is? Make sure your system is as up to date as it can be before you try so you can ensure the pci ids are up to date
[04:20] <_spm_Draget> Nobody?
[04:20] <pookmu> PokerFace in wine.
[04:20] <LSD|Ninja> daviduxe: last I checked, Broadcom and Atheros were two seperate and competing companies
[04:20] <Kohlrak> Paro[Away]: Hardware drivers in linux are the cause of most problems i've seen in here. I never tried the open source driver, but i figured it wouldn't work with me so i didn't try it.
[04:20] <PokerFace> sooo can you share some softwares whenever i've done installing ubuntu?..
[04:20] <phantomcircuit> Paro[Away], it has more to do with the hardware manufacturers being assholes and less to do with linux
[04:20] <Kohlrak> Pokerface: Also, you can install windows in "Vmware"
[04:21] <Joeseph> The instruction line for the smb:// printer is a bit ambiguous.  Could somone tell me what to put in for the supposed setup of  "smb://[workgrou/]server[:port]/printer"
[04:21] <pookmu> PokerFace no need to pirate software, its free
[04:21] <usser> PokerFace, we cant share softwares unless they are oss
[04:21] <legend2440> _spm_Draget: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6285
[04:21] <daviduxe> LSD|Ninja: awesome thanks for the advice! one thing i should note, I can see all the wireless networks in range, including my own, but when i type in the password (and i'm almost certain it's wep 64bit ASCII, open whatever) it just tries to connect for a while and then just fails
[04:21] <Paro[Away]> Kohlrak: Give it a try ^.^ the open soruce driver was created and released by ATI, just with all the code visible to developers. Graphics companies are very loathe to open their drivers because it gives significant information about the card's internal hardware
[04:21] <PokerFace> Umware?
[04:21] <Paro[Away]> Kohlrak: the time will come though; the open source drivers are maturing steadily and are already in some ways better than the proprietary drivers for the new cards
[04:22] <Joeseph> I'm not really sure what the brackets mean.  Optional? do I actually need them in brackets?
[04:22] <LSD|Ninja> daviduxe: Oh, if you can see andat least begin to connect then that means everythign is working on the driver front
[04:22] <Kohlrak> Paro[Away]: i guess it couldn't hurt... But how would i go about accomplishing this?
[04:22] <guesswho> pokerface; why use wine? set up a windows virtualbox
[04:22] <daviduxe> LSD|Ninja: yeah hmm.
[04:22] <Paro[Away]> Kohlrak: go into the restricted drivers manager again, uncheck fglrx, save and restart
[04:23] <Kohlrak> Paro[Away]: wouldn't that just put me back in VESA?
[04:23] <usser> guesswho, well wine is for the games
[04:23] <LSD|Ninja> usser: not originally
[04:24] <Joeseph> sorry, I think I'm asking a pretty straightforward question. Could anyone help me out on getting my windows printer to work? I just need clarification.  google is not being very informative.
[04:24] <guesswho> usser; i see.. but i heard wine makes security no good for your system, virtual box could do the same thing and safer
[04:24] <Paro[Away]> Kohlrak: do you mean back to a text interface? no. it should default back to the ati set of drivers (that's how it's worked for me in the past...)
[04:24] <LSD|Ninja> Joeseph: Is the printer you're trying to connect to supported by Windows drivers?
[04:24] <greendot> so my friend is installing Ubuntu and he keeps getting an ata revalidation error when trying to install, and he also gets a green screen if it finally boots up.  what do we do about this issue?
[04:24] <LSD|Ninja> Linux drivers, sorry
[04:24] <PokerFace> http://appdb.winehq.org/ -> is this site for downloadable games in ubuntu?
[04:24] <guesswho> Joeseph; goto a windows irc server, this is ubuntu support
[04:24] <jordo2323> geek_:  I got connected, but only with encryption off....how do you set the encryption through the command line?
[04:25] <Joeseph> guesswho: it's not a windows question. It's a very ubuntu question.
[04:25] <HolyRoses> anyone here want my handheld video encoder? encodes for ipod, iphone, ipod touch, zune, psp.  uses ffmpeg and perl.  can dcc if you want it.
[04:25] <jordo2323> geek_: in other words, how do I connect to an encrypted network through the command line... :)
[04:25] <daviduxe> LSD|Ninja: should i reboot into ubuntu so i can show you the lspci readout?
[04:25] <usser> guesswho, yes wine does allow to run some viruses, but its pretty well sandboxed the most damage they can do is destroy your home directory
[04:25] <Kohlrak> Para[Away]: I mean what i used before the proprietary driver (VESA Mode, which means it's a standard graphics driver that all video cards follow)
[04:25] <LSD|Ninja> Joeseph: Does the printer you're trying to connect to have Linux drivers available?
[04:25] <geek_> jordo2323: no idea, i use network manager and its front ends ;p
[04:26] <Joeseph> LSD|Ninja: I do not know.  I will search and see.  I just figured I would be able to at least see it.  just a minute then.....
[04:26] <greendot> my friend is installing Ubuntu and he keeps getting an ata revalidation error when trying to install, and he also gets a green screen if it finally boots up.  what do we do about this issue?
[04:26] <guesswho> usser; but a virtual box is safer right?
[04:26] <jordo2323> geek_: so do I, but for some reason the wireless functions of network manager does not work....I can still connect to an unprotected network by doing sudo dhclient though...
[04:26] <Paro[Away]> Kohlrak: you're sure it wasn't the mesa driver?
[04:27] <jordo2323> For anyone.....how do you connect to a WEP encrypted wireless network using the command line?
[04:27] <usser> guesswho, yes. it is. just make sure you backup your VM regularly
[04:27] <Kohlrak> Paro[Away]: Could've been that too... They're both pretty much the same thing.
[04:27] <yuri_> my h.264 playback is choppy in all video players... how do i fix this?
[04:27] <Joeseph> LSD|Ninja:  On linuxprinting.org, it shows my printer as working 'perfectly' with the suggested 'hpijs' driver.  Will I have to install it manually? I figured It would ask me for a driver once I found it.
[04:28] <rpm> hi Yuri
[04:28] <rpm> konnichiwa
[04:28] <guesswho> usser; yeah or you can run it directly from an iso right? so everytime it boots from a iso OS image?
[04:28] <usser> Joeseph, if your printer is hp your golden
[04:29] <usser> Joeseph, go to system->administration->printing add it find your model etc it'll work flawlessly
[04:29] <_spm_Draget> How do I install a specifig version of something? Like gcc-3.3 or qt4?
[04:29] <_spm_Draget> With aptitude
[04:29] <LSD|Ninja> Joeseph: Check synaptic, it might be installed already. You should be able to find a guide on how to set it up somewhere, just remember to give it the UNC address of your WIndows printer as the target
[04:29] <usser> guesswho, thats a bit paranoid but, i guess u can do it. are running a live cd inside virtualbox?
[04:29] <Joeseph> usser: the printer does not show up, however, the vista pc shows up, but when I click on it, it doesn't show any printers.  same with folders, but I can access them with the right name.
[04:30] <guesswho> Joeseph; i have an epson and had no problems, do you have some kind of weird chinese brand printer or something?
[04:30] <LSD|Ninja> Joeseph: Oh, that's normal
[04:30] <kraypius> ubuntu drive encryption is nice but it seems there should be an option to wipe the drive sectors as it encrypts the volume
[04:30] <Paro[Away]> Kohlrak: the only thing I personally can think of at this point is to try using the ati drivers with dri enabled; i'm not sure what else (beyond faulty hw support in fglrx) that could be causing the flicker off the top of my head
[04:30] <Paro[Away]> Kohlrak: try switching back to the ati drivers and enabling DRI (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/RadeonXpress)
[04:30] <Joeseph> LSD|Ninja: So I guess I really just need to know how to decipher the line its asking me to give.  It's a bit ambiguous in my opinion.
[04:30] <guesswho> usser; yes, its the samething i did in VMware, but i will create my own live cd soeverything i need is there, like how they will do in a workplace
[04:31] <kraypius> im in the middle of installing ubuntu right now with drive encryption and im thinking i may want to go back and scrub the drives with a few wipes and reinstall
[04:31] <usser> Joeseph, system->administration->printing then new printer choose windows printer with samba, type the name of your vista machine(may have to type ip) followed by the shared printer name.
[04:31] <kraypius> drive*
[04:31] <LSD|Ninja> Joeseph: usually it's just smb://user:password@Workgroup/Share but you still need the normal local printing support set up and working first
[04:31] <usser> Joeseph, ^
[04:31] <guesswho> usser; say i have a customized xp iso, and it boots everything with the same programs ,registry settings and all.. not paranoid, im just hopeing secure :)