[17:17] <Felishia> can I ask about computer science scholarships in canada?
[21:08] <KombuchaKip> Avaneya's Viking Lander Remastered software acknowledged by NASA. http://pds-imaging.jpl.nasa.gov/software/software.html#Voyager


[00:00] <newboon2age_> nunatak said something about the forum servers being down, but i'm getting the ubuntuforums.com .  Do you know what nunatak meant Chipaca?
[00:01] <newboon2age_> oh i meant ubuntuforums.org
[00:01] <Chipaca> I think he meant ubuntuforums.de or something
[00:01] <Chipaca> ubuntuusers.de
[00:01] <Chipaca> yep, 503
[00:04] <newboon2age_> Chipaca: ah.. gotcha.  Thanks for the help for me and for nunatak.  with the info on development environment i'm helping the wiki team with a wiki page on developer beginners
[00:06] <newboon2age_> Chipaca: one more question i have on ubuntuone...
[00:07] <newboon2age_> Chipaca: i'm looking at my files on the account and one of my folders has a little icon like a link on it.  What does that signify?  The other computers on my account don't seem to be getting synced with that.
[00:08] <Chipaca> newboon2age_: on the web page, right?
[00:09] <newboon2age_> Chipaca: yes on the web page...
[00:09] <Chipaca> newboon2age_: hover over the icon, tell me what it says
[00:10] <newboon2age_> Chipaca: now that i look closer at it i guess it looks more like a cylinder with something funny at the bottom
[00:10] <newboon2age_> Chipaca: i'm using konqueror and do not get anything when hovering over it.
[00:10] <Chipaca> strange, you should
[00:10] <Chipaca> let me check
[00:11] <newboon2age_> Chipaca: this is my kubuntu setup
[00:11] <Chipaca> newboon2age_: konqueror doesn't give you any text when you hover the mouse over the icon?
[00:11] <Chipaca> that's a buuug
[00:11] <Chipaca> it should say 'Synced folder'
[00:12] <newboon2age_> Chipaca: bug in konqueror or in Ubuntu One?
[00:12] <Chipaca> newboon2age_: in konqueror
[00:12] <Chipaca> newboon2age_: the html is correct
[00:12] <Chipaca> i know, i wrote it :-)
[00:13] <Chipaca> newboon2age_: the icons aren't super clear; as we couldn't find ones that obviously represented what things were, we aimed for ones that were distinctive enough so you could tell what they were easily once you figured them out
[00:13] <Chipaca> newboon2age_: the drum with the chain on it is a folder synchronized with Ubuntu One, other than the default ~/Ubuntu One/
[00:14] <Chipaca> newboon2age_: and, we special-cased the music one to have a music symbol :)
[00:14] <newboon2age_> Chipaca: okay.  So setting the Konqeror bug i guess the next level of the question maybe about the ubuntuone-kde ... hmmmm...
[00:15] <Chipaca> and this is where I say I'm off to bed
[00:16] <newboon2age_> Chipaca: i same prob on Portable Ubuntu (basically Karmic)  with ubuntuone-client-gnome .  It was working syncing w/ stuff in the ubuntu One folder, but not the other folder...
[00:16] <newboon2age_> Chipaca: okay thanks for your help. (no idea what time it is there)...
[00:16] <Chipaca> newboon2age_: I need a verb to make sense of your first sentence :-/
[00:16] <Chipaca> it's early, 00:16; I'm just tired
[00:17] <newboon2age_> Chipaca: did i give enough to make the sentence make sense?
[00:17] <newboon2age_> i meant setting the other bug aside...
[00:18] <Chipaca> I'm probably just too tired; you're not making any sense at all
[00:18] <newboon2age_> Chipaca: so on both ubuntuone-kde AND
[00:19] <newboon2age_> on ubuntuone-client-gnome running on Portable ubuntu on Windows
[00:19] <Chipaca> ooooh
[00:19] <Chipaca> karmic didn't have UDFs :)
[00:19] <newboon2age_> the other synced folder isn't getting down to my desktop
[00:20] <Chipaca> so, you could use a backport of ubuntuone (from the ubuntuone-hackers ppa) on karmic, and get the udfs
[00:20] <Chipaca> or, not get udfs at all
[00:20] <Chipaca> your choice
[00:20] <newboon2age_> okay and i guess the kde version also doesn't support udfs?
[00:20] <Chipaca> kde on karmic?
[00:21] <Chipaca> there is no kde version, so udfs should work if you're using lucid
[00:21] <newboon2age_> the ubuntuone-kde version i mean
[00:21] <Chipaca> newboon2age_: what is ubuntuone-kde?
[00:22] <newboon2age_> that's the project that apachelogger was working on.  I can't tell how supported/unsupported it is...
[00:22] <Chipaca> ah, me neither, I haven't synced with him in a long while
[00:22] <newboon2age_> okay, well thanks again for your help and cheers!
[00:23] <Chipaca> newboon2age_: you could try running magicicada (from trunk), click on the 'folders' button, and see what folders are subscribed
[00:23] <Chipaca> newboon2age_: maybe your kde vm or whatever isn't subscribed to the folders
[00:23] <Chipaca> newboon2age_: you could use u1sdtool for the same effect, btw
[00:24] <Chipaca> and now yes, to bed!
[00:24] <newboon2age_> Chipaca: okay will do.  i hadn't experimented with it yet.  however apachelogger did it it must be different because some of the tools that you speak of don't seem to be active in his solution
[00:24] <newboon2age_> Chipaca: like ulsdtool .  gnite!
[00:50] <newboon2age_> for completeness (even though Chipac a is gone, i'll report here that now I was able to see a message when i hovered (mouse over) on the UDF.  I don't know what made the difference...
[06:12] <Eric> Super quick question
[06:13] <Eric> I signed up following the guide, and it said I had to add my computer
[06:13] <Guest6601> but I didn't see the "Add this computer" anywhere
[06:14] <Guest6601> hello?
[10:38] <dbrodie> Does anyone know if the notes syncing is down?
[10:39] <dbrodie> I am getting errors both on the web and on the desktop client
[10:46] <beuno> dbrodie, if you go to the dashboard
[10:46] <beuno> does it say it's down?
[10:48] <dbrodie> Nope, also on the UbuntuOne Status page it doesn;t say anything but when I click on the webpage I get an OOPS
[10:49] <dbrodie> I just created the account so not 100% sure what I'm supposed to see, just assuming its not that :)
[10:49] <beuno> heh, you are right
[10:49] <beuno> can you file a bug with the oops id?
[10:49] <dbrodie> Here we go: OOPS-ID-1646appserverZEHEAIdHaCBJAEJFCbBIBIACFccDADfFJ174327, Yup i'll file it
[10:49] <ubot4> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=ID
[10:56] <beuno> thanks dbrodie, I'll look into it
[11:06] <dbrodie> Thank you!
[14:13] <Tojemoje> hello
[14:13] <Tojemoje> \One probably quick question
[14:14] <Tojemoje> How to add my computer to ubuntu one? I cant find where on earth should be that option
[15:39] <falselight> i asked for a password to gnome-keyring when i try to add my computer to the cloud. what gives?
[15:40] <falselight> i am asked*
[16:33] <duanedesign> falselight: hello
[16:34] <duanedesign> falselight: did you get your computer added?
[16:45] <falselight> duanedesign, no
[16:48] <duanedesign> falselight: when is it asking you for a password?
[16:48] <falselight> when i click "add"
[16:49] <duanedesign> falselight: the 'add this computer' button on the website
[16:50] <falselight> yes, after i try to purchase music from Banshee/One Music Store plugin
[16:54] <falselight> i am transfered to the ubuntu-one page to add my comptuer, that's when i am asked for a password
[16:56] <duanedesign> falselight: have you signed up for either the 2gb or 50gb service yet?
[16:56] <falselight> 2gb
[16:56] <falselight> and i've got several other computers attached to my cloud
[16:59] <duanedesign> ok
[17:00] <duanedesign> falselight: can you open Accessories > Password and Encryption
[17:00] <falselight> yes
[17:01] <duanedesign> falselight: click the password folder to expand the list
[17:01] <duanedesign> see if you have an Ubuntu One token in there
[17:01] <falselight> none of the folders expand
[17:02] <duanedesign> falselight: ok
[17:03] <duanedesign> falselight: what happens when you open Ubuntu One Preferences from the Me Menu
[17:04] <falselight> it asks for a password
[17:04] <falselight> the only password i got does not work
[17:04] <duanedesign> it opens the website and asks for the password.
[17:04] <duanedesign> so the same thing
[17:04] <falselight> no
[17:04] <falselight> it just prompts for a keyring password
[17:05] <duanedesign> the password you use to login to computer doesnt work?
[17:05] <falselight> nope
[17:05] <falselight> and that is the only password i got associated to my user
[17:08] <duanedesign> falselight: you can reset the keyring.
[17:08] <falselight> how?
[17:09] <duanedesign> open a Terminal
[17:09] <falselight> i just deleted them from the settings panel
[17:09] <falselight> i created a new one
[17:09] <falselight> the webpage opened
[17:09] <falselight> and it asks me to add the computer again
[17:10] <falselight> computer added
[17:11] <duanedesign> to remove the keyring. Use the command. rm ~/.gnome2/keyrings/default.keyring
[17:11] <duanedesign> At this point your gnome-keyring should be toast and you can reset the password on next use.
[17:15] <falselight> it works like charm here now
[17:38] <falselight> duanedesign, thank you very much
[18:26] <Zeu5> hi there, i just used ubuntu one this morning.  it was working for my pc and laptop.
[18:27] <Zeu5> now the Pictures folder in my home folder suddenly was no longer synced, and when i right click > sync it doesnt sync. may i ask why?
[18:29] <Zeu5> can anyone hear me?
[18:56] <Antony> Hi
[18:57] <Antony> Anybody what is the current stats on the Ubuntu one outage?
[18:59] <beuno> Antony, what's the issue?
[19:00] <Antony> The notes section is not working..
[19:01] <beuno> Antony, it's working here
[19:01] <beuno> maybe there's a bug, I've seen a few reports
[19:01] <beuno> it'll get some attention tomorrow
[19:02] <Antony> I have got a message in the dashboard -> Our Notes, Contacts and Bookmarks database is not responding at the moment.
[19:02] <Antony> When I hit the notes section  I get the following OOPS -> OOPS-ID-1646appserverZCeaAGDDBDcaAEEJAJdccCBCBGfDGFbdA373351
[19:02] <ubot4> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=ID
[19:02] <beuno> ah
[19:03] <beuno> Antony, thanks, I've raised the issue
[19:03] <Antony> Ok
[19:04] <beuno> one of the servers must be down
[19:04] <Antony> Also, Can I sync from a windows install of Tomboy?
[19:04] <Antony> I dual boot
[19:04] <beuno> yes, I think the API is the same
[19:05] <Antony> Well, My windows ver of tomboy fails to sync
[19:05] <Antony> Settings are same..
[19:05] <Antony> Could be the current issue with the server..
[19:05] <beuno> yes
[19:05] <beuno> the server is down, so it won't save the notes
[19:05] <Antony> Will wait and check tommorrow
[19:06] <beuno> I'm notified the sysadmins
[19:06] <Antony> Yep
[19:06] <beuno> it should be back in a little while
[19:06] <Antony> Thanks a lot
[19:06] <Antony> I will check tommorrow
[19:07] <Antony> I am from India, and its 23:36 here
[19:07] <beuno> right :)
[19:07] <beuno> it will be fixed
[19:08] <Antony> There has been numerous probs.. This is the 3rd time I am facing OOPS
[19:08] <Antony> So it seems you guys have a lot of work cut out ahead
[19:09] <Antony> Also is the API published somewhere
[19:09] <Antony> I would like to make a client..
[19:10] <beuno> yes, it's the standard Tomboy "snowy" API
[19:10] <Antony> For the rest of the Ubuntu one services?
[19:10] <Antony> contacts, notes..
[19:10] <Antony> Document sharing..?
[19:11] <beuno> there aren't any currently published APIs for them
[19:11] <Antony> I was considering  tech for a project I had in mind
[19:11] <beuno> they're just stored in couchdb
[19:11] <beuno> aquarius would be the guy to talk to, but he's not around atm
[19:11] <Antony> Cool I will catch up some time later
[19:11] <Antony> Thanx
[19:46] <dakira> hi.. is there any possibility to export my contacts from the cloud to a file? I just synced from the iphone, just to find out there is currently no way to get them into evolution.
[19:47] <beuno> not at the moment, normally it would get into evolution automatically
[19:47] <beuno> but replication is disabled for a few more days
[19:47] <beuno> when it's enabled, you will have an exacct replica locally
[19:49] <dakira> okay.. thanks!
[19:49] <dakira> I assume my contacts are safe in the cloud in the meantime?
[19:50] <beuno> yes
[19:50] <beuno> if anything happens, you can ping us and we'll send you the file manually
[19:50] <beuno> it's versioned and backed up
[19:51] <beuno> but hopefully we'll just have replication enabled again very soon
[19:51] <beuno> and you'll be able to do it yourself  :)
[19:53]  * duanedesign waves at beuno
[19:53] <dakira> beuno: oh.. just found a bug (i think). On the iPhone when you add a phone-number to a contact, you can set it to be an "iPhone"-number (instead of e.g. "home" or "mobile"). If you do that, it won't be synced (i.e. doesn't show up in UbuntuOne -> Contacts)
[19:56] <dakira> what labels are supported for phone-numbers?
[20:00] <dakira> phone numbers with custom labels don't show up, either
[20:04] <duanedesign> dakira: if you go to one.ubuntu.com/contacts and select a contact, then 'edit contact'
[20:05] <duanedesign> dakira: a drop down list will show up next to the phone numnbers with the different fields
[20:05] <dakira> duanedesign: great.. thx!


[19:17] <BugeyeD> hi all. added texlive-fonts-extra in order to get brushscript-mt, and i see the related type1 files on my system. how do i tell ubuntu to make them available to X apps? inkscape, specifically.


[02:33] <seal1> How do I approach sending over a masker ssh key to a related slave for the jenkins and jenkins-slave charm? I have taken the follwoing approach and cannot find the documentation of how to access a related unit - https://gist.github.com/slatunje/c357791dcc1b42d4df12
[11:30] <jamespage> gnuoy, could you review - https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charm-helpers/lp.1391784/+merge/242422
[11:30] <jamespage> it adds a default backend to all haproxy configurations that will loadbalance over private-address
[11:30] <gnuoy> yep (otp at the mo)
[11:30] <jamespage> gnuoy, ta
[11:54] <gnuoy> jamespage, unit_test fail
[11:54] <jamespage> gnuoy, oh joy
[11:55] <jamespage> gnuoy, let me see
[11:57] <jamespage> gnuoy, fixed and pushed
[11:58] <gnuoy> jamespage, merged
[11:59] <jamespage> gnuoy, thanks!
[11:59] <jamespage> gnuoy, are you ok for me to sync that out to the next charms?
[11:59] <gnuoy> jamespage, absolutely
[12:18] <jamespage> gnuoy, done
[13:16] <mwak> hi
[14:05] <marcoceppi> Is there any charmhelper to run a command as a user?
[14:07] <lazyPower> marcoceppi: not at present, no.
[14:07] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: ta
[14:07] <mwak> o/ marcoceppi lazyPower
[14:07] <lazyPower> o/ mwak
[14:09] <marcoceppi> \o mwak
[14:13] <mwak> still fighting with the hadoop charm
[14:13] <mwak> I ve rebuilt hadoop on armhf but still the same issue with hdfs
[14:21] <lazyPower> mwak: it sounds more like there's an issue with the setup than with the binaries. but I cant really confirm that at present.
[14:21] <lazyPower> mwak: have you tried a single node setup vs the cluster so there's fewer moving parts to debug?
[14:26] <mwak> lazyPower: you mean juju deploy hadoop and then run the test on the machine?
[14:26] <mwak> right
[14:26] <mwak> ?
[14:28] <lazyPower> yeah
[14:28] <lazyPower> mwak: just teh master/slave nodes actually - you'll still need a yarn controller and some computes - so single node is a mosnomer on my part.
[14:29] <mwak> I did, but I just respawn to re-try
[14:30] <mwak> What I did atm is re-built hadoop from the source on an armhf server, edit the charm to use the oracle jdk
[14:31] <lazyPower> yeah that shouldn't have much effect - it should still work without any issue being java is mostly portable among jre's
[14:33] <mwak> yep but there are .so libraries which were not built for arm.
[14:34] <lazyPower> very true, the bins they bundle with it
[14:35] <mwak> lazyPower: I have to start it manually when I deploy on a single node?
[14:36] <lazyPower> mwak: start manually + i think you'll have ot edit the configs to point to the local microservices - as those are not set until relationship exchange
[14:36] <mwak> alright
[14:37] <mwak> it is started!
[14:38] <mwak> interesting
[14:38] <mwak> http://pastebin.com/7DEb6bMG
[14:41] <lazyPower> mwak: smells like progress to me
[14:41] <mwak> right, but cpu usage is 0%
[14:41] <mwak> :/
[14:41] <lazyPower> so the job itself is probably failing to start
[14:41] <lazyPower> but the microservices are connecting
[14:42] <mwak> yep
[14:42] <mwak> looks like the problem occurs when relation change
[14:45] <mwak> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8088/cluster/app/application_1421159802799_0001
[14:47] <jamespage> gnuoy, know you are probably a busy man, but could you review the MP's on https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/nova-cloud-controller/+bug/1391784
[14:48] <mup> Bug #1391784: HA failure when no IP address is bound to the VIP interface <openstack> <cinder (Juju Charms Collection):In Progress> <glance (Juju Charms Collection):In Progress> <keystone (Juju Charms Collection):In Progress> <neutron-api (Juju Charms Collection):In Progress> <nova-cloud-controller
[14:48] <mup> (Juju Charms Collection):In Progress> <openstack-dashboard (Juju Charms Collection):In Progress> <percona-cluster (Juju Charms Collection):Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1391784>
[14:48] <jamespage> they re-introduce the cidr and iface configurations options as fallbacks for when people want to bind VIP's to subnets which are not also configured as subnets for primary addresses
[14:54] <jamespage> dimitern, see the crazy networking stuff that people get up to ^^
[14:54] <jamespage> dimitern, its an edge case but one for which I've had two separate bug reports for
[14:58] <dimitern> jamespage, wow :)
[14:58] <dimitern> jamespage, is there something juju can do for these short-term?
[14:59] <jamespage> dimitern, not really - its an accidental feature that we took away last cycle ...
[14:59] <jamespage> dimitern, but it does highlight what things people do
[14:59] <jamespage> dimitern, I've categorically never ever deployed an HA solution in that way
[14:59] <jamespage> but apparently some people do
[15:01] <rick_h_> deryck: ! dude
[15:01] <deryck> Hi rick_h_!
[15:01] <dimitern> jamespage, I'll have a closer look for educational purposes then :)
[15:02] <jamespage> dimitern, sounds like a good idea
[15:04] <gnuoy> jamespage, approved
[15:08] <jamespage> gnuoy, thanks!
[15:43] <lazyPower> mbruzek: whit:  https://pythonhosted.org/charmhelpers/api/charmhelpers.payload.html  -- docs on teh execd pattern in charmhelpers
[15:53] <lazyPower> dannf: landed your arm64 update to mongodb. Thanks for the patience on this one - looks really good, i like the pattern you used to do this too
[15:53] <dannf> lazyPower: ack, thx!
[16:00] <lazyPower> stub: ping
[16:01] <lazyPower> Looking over your merge against precise postgres charm - does this warrant additional action against the trusty charm as well when accepted for precise? https://code.launchpad.net/~stub/charms/precise/postgresql/manual-replication/+merge/240556
[16:02] <lazyPower> or is this scoped strictly to precise
[16:15] <alexis_> hello everyone
[16:15] <lazyPower> btw mbruzek i landed those arm64 changes. Make sure you sync with master if/when the review you're working on is ready.
[16:15] <lazyPower> o/ alexis_
[16:16] <alexis_> hello how are you
[16:16] <mbruzek> lazyPower: the mongodb tests fail for me.
[16:16] <jcastro> lazyPower, can you check this  pls? https://github.com/juju-solutions/juju-solutions.github.io/pull/21
[16:16] <lazyPower> jcastro: need it merged or just asking if it looks right? cuz +1
[16:17] <jcastro> I didn't want to merge it because I wrote it
[16:17] <jcastro> That's just nice manners right? But yeah, merge pls.
[16:17] <lazyPower> done
[16:17] <lazyPower> :)
[16:28] <lazyPower> mwak: I'm still a bit confused on the diagnosis of whats wrong. but based on the last pm - you need to restart all the hadoop services and ar easking how to do so?
[16:29] <lazyPower> cory_fu: ^
[16:29] <lazyPower> can you help mwak triage some port binding and service management in the apache hadoop charm
[16:29] <mwak> lazyPower: at the moment I have
[16:29] <mwak> : running the terasort.sh give me the following output
[16:29] <mwak> ubuntu@onlinelabs-d2d614b9ffa944a5bfd0731c3e3bf18d:~$ /usr/local/hadoop/terasort.sh
[16:30] <mwak> rm: `in_dir': No such file or directory
[16:30] <mwak> 15/01/13 16:18:36 INFO client.RMProxy: Connecting to ResourceManager at /<IP_ADDRESS>:8032
[16:30] <mwak> 15/01/13 16:18:38 INFO ipc.Client: Retrying connect to server: onlinelabs-d2d614b9ffa944a5bfd0731c3e3bf18d/<IP_ADDRESS>:8032. Already tried 0 time(s); retry policy is RetryUpToMaximumCountWithFixedSleep(maxRetries=10, sleepTime=1 SECONDS)
[16:30] <mwak> ubuntu@onlinelabs-d2d614b9ffa944a5bfd0731c3e3bf18d:~$ lsof -i  | grep 8032
[16:30] <mwak> java    8997 ubuntu  183u  IPv6  13866      0t0  TCP localhost:8032 (LISTEN)
[16:30] <mwak> It looks like there is a bind problem
[16:31] <mwak> curl localhost:8032 -> ok | curl <IP_ADDRESS>:8032 -> refused
[16:34] <lazyPower> mwak: yeah, seems like its bound to local and not the interface
[16:34] <lazyPower> mwak: that should be defined in site.xml
[16:34] <lazyPower> or core-site.xml
[16:34] <mwak> in core-site i have
[16:34] <mwak>     <value>hdfs://<IP_ADDRESS>:9000</value>
[16:35] <mwak> What should I do to bind on the <IP_ADDRESS> instead <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:35] <mwak> ?
[16:35] <mwak> which file to edit
[16:35] <cory_fu> yarn-site.xml
[16:35] <jcastro> lazyPower, I get this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9731838/
[16:36] <cory_fu> Looking for yarn.resourcemanager.address
[16:36] <cory_fu> mwak: ^
[16:36] <lazyPower> jcastro: do you have bundler installed?
[16:36] <lazyPower> if so, create a Gemfile in your repository and place the following in it:
[16:36] <cory_fu> That gets populated from either `unit-get private-address` or `relation-get private-address` in the charm, neither of which should return localhost
[16:37] <jcastro> lazyPower, yeah
[16:37] <lazyPower> https://gist.github.com/4ca44ea8c7251d01dadd
[16:37] <lazyPower> that should get jekyll and all teh required gems
[16:37] <mwak> cory_fu: the address is correct in yarn-site.xml

[16:37] <lazyPower> then bundle exec jekyll serve
[16:37] <mwak> Oo
[16:38] <cory_fu> Hrm.  Actually, now that I think about it, that's probably the wrong end of the config, there
[16:38] <jcastro> lazyPower, I get "could not locate Gemfile", but also github isn't generating the page either
[16:38] <lazyPower> jcastro: let me pull the repo and see whats up, 1 sec.
[16:38] <lazyPower> this may be environment vs configuration
[16:39] <mwak> cory_fu: hum ok..
[16:39] <cory_fu> mwak: Still looking...
[16:39] <jcastro> lazyPower, afaict I've followed every instruction exactly.
[16:40] <mwak> cory_fu: FYI all value in yarn-site.xml are binded
[16:40] <mwak> to localhost and not private ip
[16:40] <lazyPower> jcastro: i've got all kinds of jekyll errors spewing at me atm when i pull wahts in master
[16:40] <cory_fu> mwak: Wait, what?  I thought you said it had the non-localhost IP address?
[16:41] <mwak> sec
[16:41] <mwak> will paste the file
[16:41] <cory_fu> Ok
[16:41] <mwak> http://pastebin.com/6yB2MnWt
[16:41] <lazyPower> jcastro: i know why its not generating
[16:41] <lazyPower> the post layout expects there to be a date
[16:42] <lazyPower> you need to frontload this with all the data points you would have in a normal blog post
[16:42] <jcastro> for post, not pages though right?
[16:42] <lazyPower> the layout:post is whats telling jekyll waht to load and parse this page content file as
[16:42] <mwak> cory_fu: http://pastebin.com/tnK9rsRw
[16:42] <lazyPower> 2 options - add the data points to make this like a blog post so it satisfies the liquid variables, or add a layout that strips those variables it wants.
[16:42] <stub> lazyPower: The PostgreSQL precise and trusty branches are identical, so I'll get them in sync later.
[16:43] <lazyPower> stub: 10-4, thanks for confirmation
[16:43] <cory_fu> mwak: That seems correct.  Not sure why it would have bound to localhost, then
[16:43] <stub> lazyPower: Thanks for the review :)
[16:43] <jcastro> lazyPower, could I use "default" for the post layout instead of post?
[16:44] <lazyPower> jcastro: i added a date and it worked as expected
[16:44] <mwak> cory_fu: to restart the master what should I do? run the stop-all.sh / start-all.sh scripts?
[16:44] <jcastro> lazyPower, I changed it to "default" and it works now as expected
[16:44] <jcastro> lazyPower, thanks for the help
[16:44] <lazyPower> np
[16:45] <jcastro> http://blog.juju.solutions/containers.html
[16:45] <jcastro> blam, instant generation
[16:46] <jcastro> now to fix the content ...
[16:46] <TheFezzer> hey there lazypower, if you’re into reviewing charms, can I show you one?
[16:46] <cory_fu> mwak: I imagine that would work, though the charm uses, e.g., su yarn -c '/usr/lib/hadoop/hadoop-2.4.1/sbin/yarn-daemon.sh --config /etc/hadoop/conf.juju stop resourcemanager'
[16:47] <lazyPower> TheFezzer: is it in the queue? :) we have several in here that have waited their turn to get reviewed.
[16:47] <adalbas> hi! i'm trying to write charms using the python charmhelpers. When I ran "charm create -t python mycharm", i got a different structure than expected (no hooks.py, no cham-helpers.yaml). Does anyone have the same problem?
[16:47] <jcastro> whit, do you have any kubernetes information I could add to this page?
[16:47] <lazyPower> adalbas: proibably looking for python-basic
[16:47] <TheFezzer> uhh, i’m not sure I can really do that sort of stuff without a sign-off from Legal. Oracle has /claws/.
[16:47] <lazyPower> adalbas: the charm create -t python generates a services framework charm.
[16:47] <whit> jcastro, looking
[16:48] <lazyPower> TheFezzer: lets take this out of band, if you're working on ISV work we can work something out for you to get regular charm reviews as a partner until its in the queue.
[16:48] <adalbas> lazyPower, so i should use charm create -t python-basic instead, is that it?
[16:48] <lazyPower> s/queue/store/
[16:48] <lazyPower> adalbas: give that a go and see if thats what you're looking for.
[16:48] <adalbas> lazyPower, thanks!
[16:49] <jcastro> lazyPower, unless anyone objects I'm not going to PR work on the team blog, too heavyweight for now, leave that for the posts themselves I figure.
[16:50] <lazyPower> jcastro: i'm not sure what you're telling me - pr work? OH you mean github pull request? i think we're ok with that for now as you work on those topic pages.
[16:50] <lazyPower> but i defer to the team, as there's several of us involved in that.
[16:50] <TheFezzer> Ya, I just really want a once-over aka sanity check
[16:51] <TheFezzer> not any sort of serious review
[16:51] <whit> jcastro, we could add some links I guess, let me get those
[16:55] <whit> jcastro, https://github.com/kapilt/bundle-kubernetes
[16:55] <whit> jcastro, that will be the main entry point
[16:57] <whit> jcastro, should be good to start with
[16:57] <jcastro> ta
[17:00] <jcastro> http://blog.juju.solutions/containers.html
[17:00] <jcastro> ok, now we're cooking!
[17:00] <lazyPower> aww yeee
[17:00] <lazyPower> jcastro: might want to link to the docker charm docs as well...
[17:00] <lazyPower> http://chuckbutler.github.io/docker-charm/
[17:00] <jcastro> yeah, after lunch
[17:00] <jcastro> ta
[17:00] <jcastro> <--- lunch
[17:04]  * marcoceppi lunchy lunch lunch
[17:05] <mwak> cory_fu: don't understand why, but after restart it is the same
[17:05] <mwak> the wrong interface is bind
[17:33] <cory_fu> mwak: Strange.  I'm deploying it now to see if I get the same results, though on aws instead of onlinelabs
[17:34] <mwak> alright
[17:34] <mwak> fyi if i bind on <IP_ADDRESS> it works
[17:34] <mwak> oO
[17:34] <mwak> all interfaces are listening
[18:00] <captine> evening all.  just started playing with juju on my local machine (desktop) and wanting to know if there is a way to allow other machines on my network to connect to the juju services? I see the juju containers get their own IP address which is different to that of my lan.
[18:00] <captine> some pointers would be much appreciated.
[18:06] <TheFezzer> I found that the sshuttle instructions for OSX.9 were good
[18:06] <TheFezzer> but the ones for X.10 were better
[18:06] <TheFezzer> also welcome to the club :)
[18:07] <lazyPower> captine: i have a write up for that 1 moment
[18:07] <captine> lazyPower, that would be awesome. Thnx
[18:07] <lazyPower> captine: http://blog.dasroot.net/making-juju-visible-on-your-lan.html
[18:07] <TheFezzer> captine if you do either of those, you can just use the address from juju status or from the unit panel in the gui
[18:08] <captine> thanks.  I will check it now.  I want to be able to access some of the services from outside my lan, so as long as I can do some forwarding from the router, it will be perfect.
[18:08] <TheFezzer> nice doc
[18:09] <TheFezzer> :D
[18:09] <lazyPower> Ta :)
[18:21] <cory_fu> mwak: Sorry it took so long, but it finally finished deploying.  On AWS, everything seems to have bound correctly: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9733248/
[18:27] <cory_fu> mwak: Also confirmed that the terasort.sh worked.  Let me pastebin the exact deploy steps I used
[18:27] <mgarza> Regarding MariaDB or MySQL charms is it possible for another charm to create multiple databases without using the db-admin relation?
[18:29] <cory_fu> mwak: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9733381/
[18:29] <lazyPower> mgarza: you'd need to use the db-admin relationship
[18:30] <lazyPower> mgarza: the defaults for the db relationship assume a single db per service that is related
[18:30] <whit> hey marcoceppi for backporting commits from the trusty version of a prescise charm (w/no tests), what's the procedure wrt review?
[18:30] <lazyPower> mgarza: it sounds like a possible reason to add another relationship if you want to do an exchange cycle of what the app needs. i'd like to see that chatter back and forth before anything was merged - but i'm def. interested in your take on how it should work.
[18:30] <marcoceppi> whit: open a merge from trusty version to precise
[18:30] <whit> marcoceppi, thinking of https://code.launchpad.net/~niedbalski/charms/precise/mysql/precise-syncup/+merge/244436
[18:31] <whit> marcoceppi, that's been done, I'm asking what I should do re reviewing
[18:31] <whit> automated test failure is a AWS hiccup
[18:32] <marcoceppi> whit: I'll kick off another test, but that's about it, it's just a normal review. Really just make sure it deploys and works on precise
[18:33] <whit> marcoceppi, thanks
[18:34] <whit> will do
[18:35] <mgarza> lazyPower: Thanks I just wanted to make sure
[18:35] <lazyPower> np
[18:43] <cory_fu> mwak: I can't get onlinelabs to bootstrap, though, so I can't test it there.  :/  (Getting prompted for root password, despite having added my juju ssh key via the website.  Tips appreciated.)
[18:48] <lazyPower> cory_fu: you should add your personal id_rsa - as thats what its using to connect for the intial bootstrap
[18:48] <lazyPower> *id_rsa.pub
[18:49] <captine> hi lazyPower.  I already had some juju instances and have tried following some articles on cleaning my local juju and redoing it, but keep getting the following "ERROR there was an issue examining the environment: cannot use 37017 as state port, already in use"
[18:49] <captine> when trying to bootstrap again
[18:49] <mwak> cory_fu: gimme a sec
[18:50] <lazyPower> captine: interesting - are you running something on port 37017?
[18:51] <lazyPower> captine: if not, it sounds like there may be a stale api-server around, and can you show me a pastebin of the output from initctl --list | grep juju
[18:51] <lazyPower> sorry, no double tack on the list command:  initctl list | grep juju
[18:52] <captine> no idea.
[18:52] <captine> i also see my eth0 dissappeared... only have wireless now..  lol.  fun learning
[18:52] <jose> rick_h_: ping
[18:53] <captine> nothing shows
[18:53] <captine> just blank
[18:55] <marcoceppi> captine: it sounds like you deleted the upstart job before stoping it
[18:56] <captine> mmm.  not sure i follow (am just a simple accountant playing around :))
[18:56] <marcoceppi> captine: if you do a `ps -aef | grep juju`
[18:56] <marcoceppi> you should see 0 results
[18:56] <marcoceppi> but you'll probably see a jujud and a mongod running
[18:56] <captine> i see it is running
[18:56] <captine> do i do a killall -9 or something?
[18:56] <marcoceppi> captine: kill those processes
[18:57] <marcoceppi> just a kill on each process id (the second colum) is sufficient
[18:59] <captine> i type "sudo kill xxxx" where xxx is the id.  after doing it for each, the ps - aef shows more processes with different id's.  Like it is respawning or something
[19:00] <lazyPower> well thats fun... we're playing chase the pid huh?
[19:00] <sarnold> pkill can help obliterate lots of pids :)
[19:01] <lazyPower> sarnold: why do i never think of this in the hot seat? good insight.
[19:01] <captine> yip
[19:01] <captine> cannot type fase enough
[19:02] <captine> lol.  pkill didnt help, unless there is an option i should use
[19:03] <captine> would they start up after rebooting?
[19:03] <captine> I can try that
[19:04] <lazyPower> captine: that might resolve it but i know that hjistorically we placed upstart jobs for the containers
[19:04] <lazyPower> it also appears some of the upstart dependency concerns have moved as well
[19:04] <lazyPower> we should see jujud in the listing from initctl
[19:04] <lazyPower> or we used to
[19:04] <captine> :)
[19:04] <captine> change and progress... keeps it interesting
[19:04] <lazyPower> ahhh ok
[19:05] <lazyPower> if you sudo, those tasks should show up
[19:05] <lazyPower> sudo initctl list
[19:05] <lazyPower> also - i re-read the scrollback and know whats going on
[19:05] <lazyPower> you did those bridge instructions on a running environment didnt you?
[19:05]  * lazyPower makes a note to circle back and add that in huge warning text
[19:06] <captine> sudo works
[19:06] <lazyPower> ok, can you sudo service juju-db-<name>-local stop and run the same on the agent?
[19:06] <captine> lazyPower, about the running environment... yip, think i did
[19:07] <lazyPower> that should stop the pids from spawning like crazy
[19:07] <lazyPower> and then we can go back and triage the environment
[19:07] <lazyPower> as right now, its in a very inconsistent state
[19:07] <lazyPower> its using lxcbr0 to communicate according to the jenv, but if you wiped that .jenv file - those lxc containers are still running and panicking that they cannot communicate with the state server
[19:08] <lazyPower> so we'll need to start from scratch
[19:08] <lazyPower> if there's any data you have in those containers - we can attach and preserve that info before wiping them - if its all inconsequential stuff all the better that we can have zero concern about whats in those lxc containers
[19:09] <captine> na
[19:09] <captine> i was just playing with them
[19:09] <lazyPower> ok
[19:09] <captine> no data to save
[19:09] <lazyPower> so lets confirm we have the processes stopped of jujud
[19:11] <captine> i couldnt stop the one service "juju-agent-$USER-local start/running, process 7472"
[19:11] <captine> using the sudo service ... stop, it says it is unrecognized... and I copy pasted it from the service listing
[19:11] <lazyPower> ok
[19:12] <lazyPower> so we have a runaway process... can you pkill the zygote in psaux to ensure its been nuked with fire?
[19:12] <lazyPower> sarnold: does that sound legit? ^
[19:12] <captine> juju bootstrap is running now though
[19:12] <captine> so lets see
[19:12] <captine> :)
[19:12] <lazyPower> captine: can you pastebin me the output of sudo lxc ls --fancy?
[19:13] <lazyPower> captine: i want to see what lxc containers are left around from that old deployment so we can clean those up as well
[19:13] <captine> lxc: command not found
[19:14] <sarnold> lazyPower: the best part about pkill is that you can use e.g. pkill -u sarnold to kill all the processes from one uid.. I suspect it's still racy, but running it a few times might do the job
[19:15] <lazyPower> sarnold: you probably dont want to pkill everything as the user you're logged in as
[19:15] <lazyPower> i can see that being the cause of nuking your current session
[19:16] <lazyPower> captine: sudo lxc-ls - my brain is failing me hard core today on commands
[19:16] <lazyPower> captine: so to confirm, its sudo lxc-ls --fancy
[19:16] <sarnold> lazyPower: oh, sure, but it works also for e.g. juju :)
[19:18] <jrwren> agent-state-info: 'cannot run instances: gomaasapi: got error back from server: 409 CONFLICT (No node available.)'    how do I trigger a retry?
[19:18] <captine> http://slexy.org/view/s202HrnQ3K
[19:18] <lazyPower> jrwren: re-run the bundle deployment
[19:18] <lazyPower> juju-deployer should pick up where it left off
[19:19] <jrwren> lazyPower: *sigh* *grumble*  *ugh*   :p
[19:19] <lazyPower> captine: ok, see all those -local-machine-# containers that are stopped?
[19:19] <captine> lazyPower, do you work for Canonical?  how you guys all remember this stuff is beyond me
[19:19] <captine> i think so
[19:19] <captine> it says stopped
[19:19] <jrwren> juju-deployer does some magic more than just issuing another deploy command?
[19:19] <lazyPower> captine: you'll want to sudo lxc-destroy --name $name, the juju-$series-lxc-template containers can be left as is - they are used as clones to build the service containers.
[19:20] <lazyPower> jrwren: i dont know ;)
[19:20] <lazyPower> jrwren: use deployer though
[19:20] <captine> thanks a mil.
[19:20] <captine> will do so
[19:20] <jrwren> lazyPower: *grumble*
[19:23] <lazyPower> jrwren: <3
[19:24] <lazyPower> captine: no problem, let me know if you run into any further blockers, and thanks a bunch for circling back that there was an issue - and i need to up date that guide :)
[19:27] <captine> thanks for the guide.
[19:32] <dalek57> do the juju charmhelpers provide a way to execute bash? I'm just doing subprocess.Popen right now. I'm not finding it in the docs
[19:32] <dalek57> I'm trying to install rvm
[19:35] <jrwren> dalek57: charmhelpers.core has liberal use of subprocess.check_call and subprocess.check_output, which are a bit easier than Popen, if you can get away with using them instead.
[19:39] <dalek57> jrwren: well, I have a shell script for installing rvm saved in the charm directory, and I'd like to run it. If I were just doing this as a bash script, I could just do $CHARM_DIR/helpers/install_rvm.sh. Is there a best practice for doing this in python?
[19:40] <jrwren> dalek57: I'm guessing call_check is what you want. the differences are what is captures as return values in python.
[19:40] <jrwren> or maybe just subprocess.call()
[19:46] <lazyPower> yeah subprocess is the successor to Popen and family
[19:46] <lazyPower> dalek57: what jrwren outlined is what i would do. subprocess.call(['scripts','rvm_install.sh'])
[19:52] <marcoceppi> or translate the rvm_install.sh script to python
[19:56] <jrwren> or don't use rvm and package the ruby version you want for ubuntu.
[19:57] <marcoceppi> except the ruby version in ubuntu is not the best
[19:59] <jrwren> all the more reason to make it better.
[20:10] <rick_h_> jose: pong, what's up?
[20:10] <jose> rick_h_: hey! would it be a problem if I push a new docs folder for ES translated ones?
[20:10] <jose> or would it be preferred to not do it yet?
[20:11] <rick_h_> jose: hmm, so we're working on a deployment today/tomorrow that will udpate our docs loading
[20:11] <rick_h_> If you had a change what would be great would be if you had that change in a fork
[20:11] <rick_h_> jose: and then email us, we'd setup a QA to make sure that your fork worked and upgraded fine from where we're awt now
[20:12] <rick_h_> jose: and fix any bugs on our end
[20:12] <rick_h_> jose: and then once we're ready/sure it'll be fine merge your forked branch of the docs into trunk
[20:12] <marcoceppi> jose rick_h_ is there any build process for other languages?
[20:12] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: no, right now we just follow what you all were doing to build
[20:12] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: so that's what I want to see, what's in the changes jose is speaking of
[20:12] <jose> rick_h_: sure - I don't have direct push access. I guess I'll start translating today and will let you know once the branchis ready
[20:12] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: so you're pulling from github or from the bzr branch?
[20:12] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: from github
[20:13] <jose> so, in the docs there is an en folder, I'd like to create an es one so I can translate the docs into Spanish
[20:13] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: so if the org/structure of that process changes we need a heads up to make sure we're ready to follow the change
[20:13] <jose> if that's not supported I'll hold my horses
[20:13] <marcoceppi> jose: it'll be ignored by the build process
[20:13] <rick_h_> jose: well fork the docs and do what you will and we'll work on a path to make sure things work and get pulled together
[20:13] <rick_h_> jose: there's no reason not to start the work and we appreciate the heads up.
[20:13] <jose> ok, cool
[20:13] <marcoceppi> jose rick_h_ we want to do two additional things and this just reminded me that there's two build processes now
[20:14] <jose> thanks
[20:14] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: ok, we talked witht he web team to get docs redirected by the end of the week to jujucharms.com/docs
[20:14] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: so yea, if we've got changes we need to know and sync up.
[20:14] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: we want to create branches for releases of juju so we can tie docs to versions
[20:15] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: let me knwo when is a good time to talk about that, it's a git change which won't effect master
[20:15] <marcoceppi> but something we'd like to do
[20:15] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: I'd like to talk to you about possibilties before chit chatting on the list
[20:15] <marcoceppi> or we can do vice versa
[20:16] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: sure thing, can we setup a call tomorrow?
[20:16] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: yeah, sounds good
[20:16]  * rick_h_ is out of the office working from the car dealer atm
[20:17] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: either over lunch or after your standup work best?
[20:17] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: either works
[20:18] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: ok, sent. let me know if there's anyone else we should invite (nick?)
[20:26] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: probably, we've chatted about this multiple times, but it wouldn't hurt
[20:26] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: ok added
[20:27] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: this would just be a "is this possible, how would this look" once that's figured out I'll mail the list with the intentions for feedback and go from there
[20:27] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: sure thing
[20:27] <rick_h_> we've thought about and made sure it's possible
[20:27] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: so just have to get down to it
[21:38] <dalek57> Why might subprocess.check_call(("./helpers/rvm.sh && source /etc/profile.d/rvm.sh && rvm install ruby-"+ruby_version).split(), shell=True) create a zombie process, and never complete the installation?
[21:40] <dalek57> rvm is installed, but it doesn't get ruby-2.1.3, and when I juju ssh, I'm told that there is 1 zombie process
[21:41] <lazyPower> dalek57: are you su'ing or re-initializing the shell?
[21:41] <lazyPower> dalek57: sounds to me like you restarted teh shell and that caused it to tank leaving a zombie process
[21:42] <dalek57> lazyPower: does `source` do that?
[21:42] <lazyPower> depends on what you're sourcing
[21:42] <lazyPower> cehck the file you're sourcing and make sure it isn't reinitializing the shell. i do beleive that rvm does that
[21:42] <lazyPower> its fairly heinous like that.
[21:43] <dalek57> yeah, ok. Well, when I run the command when I'm sshed in, it completes fine
[21:43] <dalek57> would I see side effects of it reinitializing the shell?
[21:44] <lazyPower> thing is, when you're ssh'd in youre in a shell
[21:44] <lazyPower> when you reinitialize the shell in subprocess - you're not in a login shell you're in a thread nested inside the python process thats running
[21:44] <lazyPower> so when you reinitialize teh shell, that thread goes away
[21:45] <lazyPower> argh, netsplits :(
[21:57] <sebas5384> hey!! somebody had this error before? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/0a88537322e6b4daa516
[22:06] <lazyPower> o/ seal
[22:06] <lazyPower> er
[22:06] <seal> hi all
[22:07] <lazyPower> sorry seal, netsplits are driving me batty with mistargeting people when trying to reply
[22:07] <lazyPower> sebas5384: o/
[22:07] <lazyPower> sebas5384: where did that error origniate? is that coming from your debug-log?
[22:07] <lazyPower> dalek57: wb - did you get any of my response?
[22:08] <seal> Is there a way to test the current hook being executed? I have tried if [[ $JUJU_HOOK_NAME == 'config-joined' ]]; then ... fi but this works within debug but fails when running
[22:09] <lazyPower> I may be wrong, but i think that only gets exported during debug sessions - but marcoceppi may say i'm incorrect. A way to find out seal would be to dump your env at the beginning of the hook for inspection.
[22:10] <seal> mmm
[22:11] <seal> I ask since I am extending the jenkins / jenkins-slave within the hook/install.d/* and I need to execute base on the current hook
[22:11] <seal> I will try the env dump
[22:12] <marcoceppi> seal: it's possible
[22:14] <marcoceppi> seal: but it's done by getting the basename of argv
[22:14] <seal> ah I see
[22:14] <marcoceppi> seal: so, basename $0 should give you hook name
[22:14] <seal> thanks
[22:14] <seal> will try that
[22:15] <marcoceppi> np, that's how it's done in the Python Charm Helpers
[22:15] <marcoceppi> seal lazyPower: for references: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~charm-helpers/charm-helpers/devel/view/head:/charmhelpers/core/hookenv.py#L160
[22:16] <lazyPower> marcoceppi: Gracias. i forgot all about that.
[22:16]  * marcoceppi intensifies hat tipping
[22:17] <seal> marcoceppi: great tip
[22:18] <sebas5384> lazyPower: hey! :)
[22:18] <sebas5384> lazyPower: in the Drupal charm
[22:18] <sebas5384> from nothing ¬¬
[22:18] <lazyPower> sebas5384: that tls error has to be coming from something... its either failing to handshake with the state server or something weird is going on in the env.
[22:19] <sebas5384> yeah maybe is something like a timeout
[22:19] <sebas5384> i'm in an instable internet right now
[23:13] <dalek57> lazyPower: I'm getting strange behavior out of subprocess, and thought you might have more insight. subprocess.check_call('ls') returns a folder called ruby-install-0.5.0, but when I execute subprocess.check_call('cd ruby-install-0.5.0 && make install'), I get "no such file or directory"
[23:13] <dalek57> I ran the command on the machine manually, and the make install doesn't error out
[23:13] <sarnold> try make -C ruby-install-0.5.0 install instead
[23:13] <lazyPower> ^
[23:14] <sarnold> that avoids the use of the shell built-in 'cd', feels more likely to succeed to me
[23:14] <lifeless> or
[23:15] <lifeless> subprocess.check_call('make install', cwd='ruby-install-0.5.0')
[23:15] <lifeless> IIRC
[23:15] <sarnold> ooo
[23:16] <sarnold> yeah that feels even more likely to work :)
[23:16] <lifeless> you could set shell=True, but honestly, eewwwww.
[23:24] <dalek57> sarnold: Thanks!
[23:24] <sarnold> dalek57: check out lifeless's suggestion for cwd= -- it more closely replicates what you were doing with cd ... && make ...


[06:39] <raju> some one please help me with thin clients installation
[07:47] <capecarnation> will edubuntu run fine on a machine with 256MB ram and a 2.5GHz Intel Celeron?  that machine will 'crawls' under windows, pinguy os, etc.  we just bought a second laptop computer and now want to pass down this old tower machine to our five year old son and he is excited to have his own computer :)
[07:50] <tsimpson> 256 MB is a little low, but it should chug along. though the only real test is to try it and see
[07:50] <tsimpson> having said that, there are a couple of low-memory variants. like, xubuntu and lubuntu
[07:51] <capecarnation> okay, i really appreciate you getting back to me.  i am admittedly new to this ... okay, i've gone back and forth between windows and linux for years, too dumb to master linux but smart enough to know that windows is a headache.
[07:53] <tsimpson> newer OSs generally want more and more RAM as they progress, so the mainstream desktops like GNOME and KDE may struggle on low memory systems. but xfce (xubuntu) and lxde (lubuntu) are designed to be low memory, so applications will have more resources available to them
[07:53] <capecarnation> wasn't xubuntu dropped from development funding, and handed over to the community?  i've not seen lubuntu.  that old machine was running ubuntu 11.x and it really was slow.  i'm not sure if the motherboard will take bigger ram, would it make much of a difference if it did?
[07:54] <tsimpson> I don't think xubuntu was ever commercially supported by Canonical, but that doesn't mean it stopped
[07:55] <tsimpson> more RAM generally will make your system more responsive, but it's not always that simple
[07:56] <capecarnation> looks like the machine will take up to 1GB, if i got that would the crawling stop or be at a minimum?
[07:57] <capecarnation> i thought i had read that xbuntu had been commercially supported for 7 years ( or something like that ) and that they just said "enough, it's failing".  i might be thinking of another distribution.
[07:57] <tsimpson> 1GB is usually sufficient, especially for "normal" use
[07:58] <capecarnation> i have used kde, gnome and fluxbox, and might have seen xfce.  how do xfce and lxde compare to kde and gnome in terms of user interaction?
[07:58] <capecarnation> i appreciate you taking the time to help me with this.  i really don't want to throw that old computer away.  it broke my hear tonight when we were at best buy and our son was asking me "can i get a laptop?" :)
[07:59] <tsimpson> I find xfce a little too space, especially when coming form a fuller GUI experience like gnome and KDE
[07:59] <tsimpson> but lxde is a nice interface
[08:00] <tsimpson> I suppose, just in terms of looks, lxde is more of a KDE style interface
[08:00] <tsimpson> that is, it has a panel at the bottom, and one main menu where you launch applications from
[08:01] <tsimpson> I haven't actually used xfce in a while, was a little put off by the very space interface
[08:01] <tsimpson> I found lxde quite usable though
[08:03] <capecarnation> i am taking a look at lxde, thank you :)
[08:10] <capecarnation> is unity installed along with lubuntu?  i loathe unity.
[08:10] <tsimpson> no, unity is only on "Ubuntu"
[08:10] <capecarnation> ok, good :)
[16:36] <highvoltage> stgraber: I see debconf 13 will be in switzerland :)
[16:36] <stgraber> highvoltage: oh, was Vaumarcus the winning town?
[16:37] <highvoltage> stgraber: Riga, Latvia
[16:37] <highvoltage> (bbl)
[16:39] <stgraber> highvoltage: you're confusing? :)
[16:39] <stgraber> without a question mark even :)
[16:40] <stgraber> if it's in Vaumarcus, NE, then it's roughly 30min walking distance from my parent's place and I've been to the proposed location several times (Le Camp) and have friends living a few minutes away ;)
[17:26] <highvoltage> stgraber: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/publicity/announcements/en/drafts/dc13-in-switzerland.wml?revision=3244&view=markup
[17:29] <stgraber> highvoltage: cool, I'll definitely arrange to be there then ;)
[17:35] <highvoltage> stgraber: :D
[19:16] <stgraber> weblive is down, transferring the VMs to another server, ETA 1.5 hours
[20:17] <anjar_95> Could any of you take a look on Miramath? It looks like a good alternative to MathCad, which is used in many schools/colleges.
[20:17] <anjar_95> https://sourceforge.net/projects/miramath
[20:39] <highvoltage> anjar_95: it doesn't seem to be packaged yet, but we can look into it for a future release
[20:40] <highvoltage> python + qt. nice. for a moment I was scared it's going to be java :)
[20:41] <anjar_95> I think it's good, but I haven't tried it yet. I've trouble installing it.


 I believe 2 fingers is really not sensible at all
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[01:12] <ubptgbot> <Dennis Vasquez> jvlmu pgtvnabv vgkxu
[01:13] <ubptgbot> <Dennis Vasquez> [Edit] http://bit.ly/2YXWVmM?72297
 We need a solution that works for all input methods and screens
 perhaps just a few gu dead zone on the right where you would swipe, or use scroll often?
 [Edit] perhaps just a few gu dead zone on the right where you would  system swipe, or use scroll often?
 @mateosalta [perhaps just a few gu dead zone on the right where you would  system swipe, or u …], No, because this penalizes everyone for the sake of a few
 don't see it like that when everyone is accidently swiping on emails, and chats
 Making it so they don't swipe on thise things, will only change their complaints to being about right edge sensitivity, while everyone else will now complain they can't swipe on messages or whatever
 @deedend [I believe 2 fingers is really not sensible at all], why not?  Two fingers to trigger vertical scrolling is a standard for track pads and many multi-touch applications.
 not really standard for phone/tablet application though
 @TotalSonic [why not?  Two fingers to trigger vertical scrolling is a standard for track pads …], The complaint has nothing to do with vertical scrolling
 in multitouch tablets it IS standard in web browsers in my experience
 @dohbee [although probably not, since i think that's a windows phone], nokia is on android now :p
 anyone want to test out call recording?
 @dohbee [The complaint has nothing to do with vertical scrolling], yes it does - because horizontal swipes being accidentally triggered when one only wants to vertically scroll is a very real problem in regular use of Teleports in my direct experience
 @TotalSonic [yes it does - because horizontal swipes being accidentally triggered when one on …], No, because the specific complaint was about right edge swipes vs listitem swipes
 i have no issue with either.........
 different strokes for different strokes.  I will be ok either way
 @dohbee [No, because this penalizes everyone for the sake of a few], I really don't see how a small side area (let's say even 1/8 of the screen each side, for the sake of accessibility to the left handed people) penalizes anyone. I reckon it's actually the other way around, you should take inspiration from SailfishOS, it has one of the be
[02:17] <ubptgbot> st gesture based UI that I ever tried, and it works like that: if you swipe from the very edge you multitask, if you swipe from a bit inside the screen (but still, close to the edge) you activate the in apps gestures. I really miss that behaviour, it's unfortunate that it's proprietary 😔
 @Fuseteam [nokia is on android now :p], I have a few Nokias now, I havent gone through them all yet but Im sure one of them can be a UT device
 @dohbee [No, because the specific complaint was about right edge swipes vs listitem swipe …], I suffer this when using the gallery and swiping photos
 I always trigger the app selector
 This is worse when I give my phone to someone who never used UT before
 @TotalSonic [yes it does - because horizontal swipes being accidentally triggered when one on …], agree, and more prevalent in teleports than other apps
 Well that issue i dont see in fluffychat for ezample so maybe it can be used as a reference
[08:32] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> Do devs accept a functionality / feature requests ? 🙂
[08:49] <ubptgbot> Дмитрий Иванов was added by: Дмитрий Иванов
 @mark alexa [Do devs accept a functionality / feature requests ? 🙂], Of course. Open an issue
[08:57] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> @malditobastardo [Of course. Open an issue], Github ?
 Yes
 Prioritisation of the requests is resource-dependent, though. Mainly based on time available.
 Like anything else.
 to me, the issue with TELEports is that horizontal swipe on listitems is easily triggered even when vertically scrolling
 @Javacookies [to me, the issue with TELEports is that horizontal swipe on listitems is easily …], Yeh I know this. I really dont know why it felt differnetly in the old app. Its the same QML code more or less
 @Tygerpro [I have a few Nokias now, I havent gone through them all yet but Im sure one of t …], cool!
 @deedend [I really don't see how a small side area (let's say even 1/8 of the screen each …], i'm not sure how much your description differs from ut's current system
 @Fuseteam [i'm not sure how much your description differs from ut's current system], It differs because the swipe from the edge conflict with the in app horizontal swipe. It can appears as a small thing, but the devil is in the details. I used a Jolla for 3 years and I never had this problem.
 My TV doesn't have the issue either, but that's not relevant
 @deedend [It differs because the swipe from the edge conflict with the in app horizontal s …], really? I thin in SFOS case, you go back instead of home, I believe that happened to me before although I really did not use it as daily driver
[10:05] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> Guys, I'm gonna submit the feature request here 'coz Git hub requires an account for submitting feature requests.  Using nexus 5 and when making phone calls, sometimes my voice can't be heard.
 @deedend [It differs because the swipe from the edge conflict with the in app horizontal s …], it sounds like the edge swipe area is too thin for your taste … personally i have not encountered this issue … iirc UTTT does allow you to resize the area
 @mark alexa [Guys, I'm gonna submit the feature request here 'coz Git hub requires an account …], about what? you could submit it on gitlab?
 [Edit] Well that issue i dont see in fluffychat for example so maybe it can be used as a reference
 @Fuseteam [it sounds like the edge swipe area is too thin for your taste … personally i have …], UTTT does have that, I have tweaked the swipe area on my N5 cause I was having issues, I havent tried UT apps enough though as Ive been trying to pinoint issues on my port more lately
[10:40] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> @Fuseteam [about what? you could submit it on gitlab?], UT has an account on GitLab too ? OK, good to know. 👍
 you.....didn't know?
 @Fuseteam [it sounds like the edge swipe area is too thin for your taste … personally i have …], Mmmmm I have to try as soon as I have my OPO. At the moment I am not at home. Do you know where I can find this setting?
 @Fuseteam [you.....didn't know?], Neither did I, honestly
 The Ubports guys should advertise the GitLab account better
 they.....do......
 UTTT is the Ubuntu Touch Tweak Tool
 you can find it in the open store
 Very useful tool IMO, wish it came stock rather than a additional app, very usegul for figuring out things like scaling
 @Tygerpro [Very useful tool IMO, wish it came stock rather than a additional app, very useg …], well the features it has are those that are experimental or not officially supported so I guess if anythibg there that can be official can be added to the system settings app
 Yeah, the scaling would be nice to have, I use that to figure out what I need to set the config to on my ports
 thanks to me then heh! 😝😂
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 Puremaps guiding me like a boss
 Wonderful app!
 are you observing the speed limit? 😝
 @Tygerpro [Yeah, the scaling would be nice to have, I use that to figure out what I need to …], I think the icons need to be smaller. I am only applying scaling to fit more icons on the home screen. Wouldn't need it for text. But yep, that could be in system settings.
 As for the swipe issue. With several people having issues, maybe we really should consider adjusting the swipeable areas. I wouldn't say 1/3 is sufficient, but maybe a small change might significantly reduce those issues.
 We (several people) should try to test different settings using UTTT to see if that would helpö
 [Edit] We (several people) should try to test different settings using UTTT to see if that would help?
 tbh i've set mine to be smaller than normal, the smallest it can be, and i have no issues
 so i think i think it differs per user per device
 Fwd from YougoChats: does anyone with a fp2 on edge channel have gps? it was slow before but now i get an access error. the indicator doesn't turn white either
[12:55] <ubptgbot> Eugene Best was added by: Eugene Best
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[12:55] <ubptgbot> <Eugene Best> (Photo, 647x357) https://irc.ubports.com/tcZkZHD7.png
[12:55] <ubptgbot> <Eugene Best> sgcddjvrq
[12:55] <ubptgbot> <Eugene Best> [Edit] http://bit.ly/2YTE7Vt?21424
 First they write a normal text
 Later, edit to add the spam
 @YougoChats [does anyone with a fp2 on edge channel have gps? it was slow before but now i ge …], wait, after yet another reboot now it responds.
 hmmm
 @YougoChats [does anyone with a fp2 on edge channel have gps? it was slow before but now i ge …], edge channel seems to have a probkem with location, rebooting fixes it usually...not tried GPS in real applicatjon though, I just see the indicator turn white
 @mark alexa [Let forget about it then....], dont listen to him, what is bugging you. maybe there is something people here know
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 @Javacookies [edge channel seems to have a probkem with location, rebooting fixes it usually.. …], placed the phone out in the yard and got a perfect fix in 2 minutes. once it responds, it just works 👍
 @YougoChats [placed the phone out in the yard and got a perfect fix in 2 minutes. once it res …], yes, that how gps works on UT right bow, no roof allowed 😁
 @mateosalta [dont listen to him, what is bugging you. maybe there is something people here kn …], i've redirected him to gitlab
 gps works fine for me under a roof, it does however take longer
[14:06] <ubptgbot> J F was added by: J F
[14:07] <ubptgbot> <J F> Just installed utouch on oneplus one. Most features working beautifully except bluetooth. The device cannot find any pairable devices nearby. Any tips?
[14:09] <ubptgbot> waynefowler was added by: waynefowler
[14:11] <ubptgbot> <J F> Also wanted to let you all know that I tried utouch for the first time last week on a Nexus 5. While the OS worked perfectly well, I could not get cell  data to function. Turns out my carrier, Tmobile, no longer supports phones that cannot connect on LTE. Got a oneplus one and all is good as far as that goes.
 @J F [Also wanted to let you all know that I tried utouch for the first time last week …], Nexus 5 does LTE
 OnePlus One and Meizu Pro 5 both work well on T-Mobile in my experiences.
[14:15] <ubptgbot> draghiman007 was added by: draghiman007
 Hi, is the openstore offline?
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/2tbcDRs6.png
 @Waldbursche [Hi, is the openstore offline?], I think so I can't access to it to
 @Waldbursche [Hi, is the openstore offline?], [Edit] I think so I can't access to it too
 Okay, let's wait...
 Brian is looking into it. Patience...
[15:26] <ubptgbot> ww rr was added by: ww rr
[15:29] <ubptgbot> <ww rr> hi guys，Can I install Ubuntu Touch on PlayBook？
 @ww rr [hi guys，Can I install Ubuntu Touch on PlayBook？], no, you can't
[15:31] <ubptgbot> <ww rr> thank you
[16:35] <ubptgbot> sausagii was added by: sausagii
 Hi, … can anyone tell me if Ubuntu touch is working with Electrum? Meaning getting the wallet on a Nexus running on Ubuntu Touch?
 there is no native wallet app in the store afaik
 Ok, thanks. But can Electrum it be installed on Ubuntu touch?
 i suppose if there is an armhf build for ubuntu 16.04, it can be installed in libertine, which is an experimental feature for installing and using legacy apps in a container.
 but considering said app is developed for traditional PC environments, it likely won't be usable on a phone
 Ok thanks. That's pretty shitty, as I intended to use Ubuntu touch especially for this purpose. Then I'd probably rather use a Laptop with classic Linux.
[16:47] <hallyn> hm, there is no eoan Release file for ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa :(
 @sausagii [Ok thanks. That's pretty shitty, as I intended to use Ubuntu touch especially fo …], well you are welcome to build a converged app instead. no need to be rude though. Ubuntu Touch is a phone OS not a classic PC distro. If you have complaints about electrum not being usable on phones, you should direct your complaints to them tho
[16:48] <ubptgbot> ugh, not us.
 @hallyn [hm, there is no eoan Release file for ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa :(], yeah, there is no more sdk ide. what are you trying to get from there, though?
[16:50] <ubptgbot> Timothy Shaw was added by: Timothy Shaw
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[16:50] <ubptgbot> <Timothy Shaw> qtwjua ec
[16:50] <ubptgbot> <Timothy Shaw> [Edit] http://bit.ly/2YXYy3S?56827
[16:51] <hallyn> dohbee - i'm just following the dekko/docs/dev/development/setup.md instructions to try to build dekko
[16:52] <hallyn> just figured i'd try to build the desktop version and see if i can reproduce my bugs there
 @hallyn [dohbee - i'm just following the dekko/docs/dev/development/setup.md instructions …], ah, well i guess it's very out of date
[16:52] <hallyn> (occasional hour delay to see new mail, and duplicate emails)
 @dohbee [well you are welcome to build a converged app instead. no need to be rude though …], No offend, didn't mean to be rude, I just meant it's a "pretty shitty" situation (for me). I'm no  programmer, so I won't be able to build a converged app. I was just looking for a solution. Thanksanyway.
[17:29] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @sausagii [Ok thanks. That's pretty shitty, as I intended to use Ubuntu touch especially fo …], You could try the Android version in Anbox, but Anbox is also experimental and most the the apps I have tried in it don't work.
 @John (Marlin) [You could try the Android version in Anbox, but Anbox is also experimental and m …], Thanks, but I'd rather use nothing experimental, as I'm afraid of loosing my coins. I am looking for a safe method 🤔
[17:34] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> Good luck and have fun!
 @John (Marlin) [Good luck and have fun!], 🤡
[18:42] <ubptgbot> Nuno Costa was added by: Nuno Costa
[18:44] <ubptgbot> <Nuno Costa> @Danfro [Brian is looking into it. Patience...], Thanks for the info. I just opened a github issue for this before I found out the telegram group
[18:48] <ubptgbot> <Nuno Costa> @Danfro [Brian is looking into it. Patience...], [Edit] Thanks for the info. I just opened a github issue for this issue, before I found out the telegram group
 @Nuno Costa [Thanks for the info. I just opened a github issue for this issue, before I found …], I am sure Brian will be happy if he can close that issue. Not nice. The server/database provider is down.
[18:52] <ubptgbot> <Nuno Costa> it seems openstore is not part of ubports, as mentioned on GH issue I opened » https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/1216
[18:52] <gitbot> ubports issue 1216 in ubuntu-touch "Openstore does not show any applications" [Closed]
[18:53] <ubptgbot> <Nuno Costa> [Edit] it seems openstore is not part of ubports, as mentioned on a comment on the GH issue I opened » https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/1216
[18:53] <gitbot> ubports issue 1216 in ubuntu-touch "Openstore does not show any applications" [Closed]
 @Nuno Costa [it seems openstore is not part of ubports, as mentioned on a comment on the GH i …], right, it is managed on https://gitlab.com/theopenstore but the issue is with a third party cloud service (many services depending on heroku have had problems today)
 there is also i think already an open issue about openstore app not behaving well when there's no connection to server
[19:25] <ubptgbot> <Nuno Costa> @dohbee [right, it is managed on https://gitlab.com/theopenstore but the issue is with a …], Thanks for the link. I thought it was managed by ubports because it came preinstalled. Will keep tracking on openstore git repo
[20:21] <ubptgbot> lazyfox24 was added by: lazyfox24
[20:29] <ubptgbot> Dave L was added by: Dave L
[20:30] <ubptgbot> <Dave L> Can someone help with a failed install?
[20:39] <ubptgbot> <Dave L> I used the UBports Installer (0.2.5-beta) on Ubuntu 19.04.  Attempted to installed to a stock Oneplus One, but the installation hung on downloading 5 of 12.  Now, from the phone, it's stuck at Powered by ubuntu, supported by ubports.  Ubuntu and the installer are no longer detecting the phone.  How do I complete the install from this point
[20:39] <ubptgbot> ?
 @jimmy_UbunTouch [is it possible to have more info on unread video? @TotalSonic], Jimmy - in my testing I got one of my avi's to work - but the avi which did not work can be downloaded at http://www.rapconverter.com/sample-avi-videos
 @jimmy_UbunTouch [is it possible to have more info on unread video? @TotalSonic], also, flv and wma did not work for me either.  Will test more formats soon as well (done on my Meizu Pro 5 running RC)
 @jimmy_UbunTouch [is it possible to have more info on unread video? @TotalSonic], also - UrPlayer played 3g2 videos correctly, but the player does not come up as an option when videos in the 3g2 format are opened in File Manager.
 @Dave L [I used the UBports Installer (0.2.5-beta) on Ubuntu 19.04.  Attempted to install …], Hold the power and volume down buttons until it reboots, continue holding volume down until you reach UBports recovery
 Then the installer should find it
[23:04] <ubptgbot> Micheal Macpherson was added by: Micheal Macpherson


[12:21] <Odd_Bloke> aisrael: I've been poking at this Squid issue, and I'm finding that a "curl http://archive.ubuntu.com" is really slow (and is spending a lot of time resolving DNS); can you repro that?
[12:21] <Odd_Bloke> (http://stackoverflow.com/a/22625150 is a good way of spitting out how long different bits of the transfer are taking)
[12:23] <Odd_Bloke> aisrael: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9528021/ is what I'm seeing.
[12:24] <Odd_Bloke> So my theory is that this is a DNS issue; Squid is timing out when making DNS requests and so 503'ing.
[12:24] <Odd_Bloke> I'll see if I can up Squid's timeout to confirm my suspicion.
[12:36] <Odd_Bloke> aisrael: It's actually worse than that, Squid seems to be caching the DNS failure.
[13:33] <HorzA> how do i uninstall openstack?
[13:54] <aisrael> Odd_Bloke: That does look consistent with what I am seeing
[13:56] <marcoceppi> HorzA: how did you install openstack?
[13:56] <Odd_Bloke> aisrael: Cool, thanks for checking.
[14:03] <aisrael> Odd_Bloke: I told squid to use <IP_ADDRESS> for dns, and no longer throws 503's at me
[14:04] <aisrael> Odd_Bloke: so you're definitely on the right track
[15:38] <ackk> hi, could someone please point me to where should I look to get the info shown in "state-server-member-status" from the delta stream?
[15:40] <marcoceppi> ackk: might want to ask in #juju-dev
[15:40] <ackk> marcoceppi, thanks
[16:07] <jcastro> marcoceppi, man, awesome, I'd love to go to chicago to give a juju talk
[16:07] <marcoceppi> jcastro: yeah, I was abou to reply but knew you were a lot closer
[17:40] <thebozz> Hi guys, we're having trouble deploying Openstack over MAAS using openstack-install. We're using this tutorial: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud/install-ubuntu-openstack . We're at step 4, and we're getting this output: http://pastebin.com/Byaxct7c
[17:52] <marcoceppi> thebozz: looks like you're hitting a timeout, where the deployment is taking too long to run
[17:52] <marcoceppi> if you run the openstack-installs script again it should pick up where it left off
[17:52] <designated> can someone please tell me what I'm doing incorrectly?  "juju deploy --config local.yaml --to 19 cs:~openstack-charmers/trusty/percona-cluster mysql" works just fine but I want to add additional service units to specific machines and the following is failing "juju add-unit --to 20 cs:~openstack-charmers/trusty/percona-cluster mysql" with error: unrecognized args: ["mysql"]
[18:03] <lazyPower> designated: your close
[18:03] <lazyPower> designated: its juju add-unit -n # --to # mysql
[18:04] <lazyPower> you dont need to specify the cs charmpath for adding units - the state server has already loaded that charm source under the alias "mysql" for your deployment
[18:04] <designated> lazyPower: so after specifying the cs path during deployment, it isn't required for future service unit additions...nice thank you.
[18:04] <lazyPower> Thats correct ;)
[18:07] <Odd_Bloke> aisrael: Turns out Virtualbox historically has some issues with DNS servers on 127.0.[01].1; there is a workaround that works which I'm about to push up. :)
[18:23] <Odd_Bloke> aisrael: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-on-ec2/vmbuilder/jenkins_kvm/revision/552 is the fix; am rebuilding vivid images now, will let you know when I new one is available to test.
[18:41] <Odd_Bloke> aisrael: Working (for me) images now available at http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/vagrant/vivid/current/
[18:41] <Odd_Bloke> aisrael: Let me know if they work for you and I'll kick off builds for trusty and utopic.
[18:59] <designated> I'm following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/OpenStackHA . I have deployed 4 instances of mysql on 4 separate nodes, but I have a question about "hacluster mysql-hacluster" charm.  Does this only deploy mysql-hacluster on a single node?
[18:59] <designated> or can I deploy the "mysql-hacluster" charm on all 4 nodes as well?
[19:11] <designated> when attempting "juju deploy hacluster mysql-hacluster --to 19" I receive the following: ERROR cannot use --num-units or --to with subordinate service
[19:12] <designated> is there another way to specify a specific machine when deploying a subordinate service?
[19:16] <aisrael> Odd_Bloke: Excellent! Grabbing the image to test now.
[19:16] <lazyPower> designated: subordinate services by design get deployed into scope:container when you relate them to the service
[19:17] <lazyPower> designated: so you dont need to deploy them --to anything
[19:18] <designated> lazyPower: ahh so if I just deploy the subordinate service it will get installed to all nodes neccesary when the relation is built?
[19:18] <lazyPower> designated: correct. if subordinates are not related to anything, they are transient "unplaced" services
[19:19] <lazyPower> and only exist on the bootstrap node as a deployment alias, ready for integraiton when you decide to relate it :)
[19:19] <designated> lazyPower: fair enough.  thank you for the explanation.
[19:19] <lazyPower> designated: no problem. Have you had a chance to run through any of the charm schools or juju videos?
[19:20] <designated> lazyPower: not yet but I will.  is the a recommended place to start?
[19:20] <designated> is there*
[19:22] <designated> lazyPower: also, will this cause problems with other services deployed in HA mode later on?  I expect these openstack services to run on the same 4 nodes all in HA mode.  I've built it this way manually, just don't know if some of the charms require separate physical machines.
[19:23] <lazyPower> designated: there's an overview here - https://juju.ubuntu.com/resources/videos/ - but a lot of the charm school videos are deeper subject matter more on charm construction, how to write them, test them, and what options are available to you as a user to troubleshoot an environment should something go awry
[19:24] <lazyPower> designated: i'm considering making a video aimed at brand new users to go from install to orchestrated stack and covering the different methods to get from A to Z - as i think that would be useful, covering core concepts behind the differences in charms and subordinates, etc.
[19:24] <lazyPower> but thats a fairly large project and I dont have an ETA on if/when that would be done
[19:24] <designated> lazyPower: as an example, the provided local.yaml show a different VIP for each service.  I want them all to be accessible from the same VIP.
[19:24] <lazyPower> designated: well, when you do the --to, which we have dubbed hulk smash mode
[19:25] <designated> lazyPower: thanks for the link, bookmarking now.
[19:25] <lazyPower> you can run into issues down teh road in terms of scale. We actually recommend you use the --to lxc:# or --to kvm:# - which will isolate the service in a vm/container respectively - but there's an end of the sidewalk with that as it stand today
[19:25] <lazyPower> the networking story between containers and vm's is being worked on this cycle
[19:25] <lazyPower> but if you're planning on keeping those services colocated - and not doing much in terms of scale you're fine to continue colocating with --to
[19:26] <lazyPower> marcoceppi might have additional details in that department. I myself hulk smash to save $$ when i'm deploying my own projects, but i'm small potatoes - if you're setting up say, a telecommunications network, I would def. want to place services on proper machines so scale out is a snap
[19:26] <designated> lazyPower: I'm deploying openstack and basically want the same 4 controllers to provide all services in
[19:26] <designated> HA mode.
[19:26] <designated> it's just not feasible to have a separate physical machine for each service.
[19:27] <lazyPower> Completely understood, and i think that's an acceptable route to take.
[19:28] <lazyPower> its kind of dependent on your networking setup, and how its all configured - but i'm not an openstack expert - What i suggest is to export your bundle when you've completed your deployment - scrub any sensitive details out of the config options and post it ot the list and ask for a review - if it looks feesable and resilient enough to change
[19:28] <designated> lazyPower: am I correct in understanding, you're recommending deploying each of these services to LXCs on each node?
[19:28] <lazyPower> one of our OpenStack engineers should be able to give you feedback and insight as to your deployment configuration
[19:28] <lazyPower> designated: well thats a blanket statement when it comes to co-location of services. LXC containers or KVM vm's will isolate the services and provide density.
[19:34] <marcoceppi> o/ designated reading scrollback
[19:36] <marcoceppi> designated: is this for a private openstack deployment?
[19:37] <marcoceppi> on physical hardware with maas?
[19:41] <designated> marcoceppi: yes, it is a private deployment on metal using MAAS.
[19:45] <designated> marcoceppi: why do you ask?
[19:55] <marcoceppi> designated: you should really use isolation, like lxc: / kvm: when deploying
[19:55] <marcoceppi> designated: I figure you'll be using 4 nova-compute nodes, as well?
[19:55] <designated> marcoceppi: okay, I'll do that.
[19:56] <designated> marcoceppi: I'll actually have 28 compute nodes
[19:57] <designated> marcoceppi: what is the advantage of using kvm over lxc or vice versa?
[20:02] <designated> marcoceppi: the compute nodes will each run on dedicated hardware.  I just want all of the other openstack and supporting services to run on 4 physical nodes (openstack controllers).
[20:16] <aisrael> Odd_Bloke: The vivid image looks good! DNS looks good, apt-get is happy.
[20:25] <designated> when deploying to an LXC, can you still specify a physical NIC in the charm's configuration?
[20:53] <marcoceppi> designated: not quite, but you can set up a bridge network to the nics you care about for lxc containers in maas
[20:54] <marcoceppi> maas is the best supported substrate for containerized deployments
[20:54] <marcoceppi> and that's what you'll want to do
[20:54] <marcoceppi> I just need to look that up, one min (maybe 10)
[21:00] <designated> marcoceppi: I deployed mysql to bare metal and it worked fine, when I do the same thing but deploy to lxc on each of the 4 nodes, it never finished, it just sits in a pending state.  I'm guessing it has something to do with specifying physical interfaces in the configuration.  Is the charm supposed to build the bridge, or is this something I must do manually?
[21:01] <marcoceppi> designated: this is something either maas or you will need to do prior to deployment
[21:04] <designated> marcoceppi: thank you
[21:14] <designated> marcoceppi: If I deploy all openstack supporting services to lxc on 4 nodes, will it be alright install neutron-gateway directly to the same 4 nodes outside of an lxc, to avoid networking issues?
[21:23] <marcoceppi> designated: I'm not sure, that ventures in to depths of permetations I have not yet tried
[21:23] <marcoceppi> you might want to email openstack-charmers and ask them
[21:24] <marcoceppi> https://launchpad.net/~openstack-charmers
[21:36] <designated> marcoceppi: thank you


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[20:05] <satasata> the live cd don´t recognize my hd
[20:07] <satasata> hi