[00:59] <thewrath> hello all
[12:52] <Cul> Trying to set up NFS via https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo. getting errors I'm confused about could someone assist?
[12:52] <bioterror> you could pastebin errors
[12:53] <Cul> problem with that is it's on a media server with terminal access only and I don't know how to do it via command line... pastbin that is
[12:54] <hobgoblin> install pastebinit - then you can use that :)
[12:55] <Cul> ok, I'll give it a go, thks hobgoblin
[12:56] <hobgoblin> for instance    sudo fdisk -l |pastebinit
[12:59] <Cul> fdisk command gives address, what do I do with that?
[13:00] <hobgoblin> that was just an example of how to use it - you'd paste the url of what you are trying to show people
[13:01] <hobgoblin> I've no idea of why you are here :p just got here
[13:01] <Cul> ahh, that makes sense... I'm trying to get assistance installing nfs and bioterror suggested I pastebin output for clarity
[13:02] <hobgoblin> right - well - run the command and then |pastebinit at the end should do :)
[13:03] <Cul> and then copy the address here.. right?
[13:03] <hobgoblin> yep - then we can look at that :)
[13:03] <Cul> right-o, one sec
[13:03] <hobgoblin> tbh it's easier than mucking about with browsers and paste.ubuntu.com most of the time
[13:03] <bioterror> or you can copy & paste it to pastebin
[13:04] <bioterror> as you want it
[13:04] <hobgoblin> not in a server environment
[13:04] <bioterror> you talk to servers thru ssh
[13:04] <bioterror> :-)
[13:05] <hobgoblin> voodoo
[13:05] <Cul> http://pastebin.com/QePqi0mA
[13:05] <Cul> hope that's right
[13:05] <hobgoblin> yep
[13:05] <bioterror> oh well
[13:05] <bioterror> your configuration lacks something
[13:05] <bioterror> hobgoblin is a guru with NFS
[13:05] <bioterror> I'm more into samba
[13:05] <hobgoblin> lol
[13:06] <hobgoblin> I gave up fiddling with nfs the other day and used samba
[13:06] <bioterror> hahaha
[13:06] <Cul> hmmm, there's more output that didn't paste...
[13:06] <hobgoblin> Cul: have you looked at the wiki page for it
[13:07] <Cul> I followed the help.ubuntu page for it
[13:07] <Cul> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[13:08] <hobgoblin> k - how far through it do you get - still trying to export stuff?
[13:08] <Cul> can I explain what I want to do and maybe you can tell me if this is the right way to go about it?
[13:08] <hobgoblin> go ahead
[13:08] <Cul> got to the export directories to local network and restart kernel server
[13:09] <Cul> ok, I've got xbmc on the other pc, and I want to be able to manipulate media files from my main pc
[13:10] <Cul> i.e. transfer from mass storage and such
[13:10] <hobgoblin> I understand - but bioterror was joking when he said I was a nfs guru
[13:10] <bioterror> Cul, I use samba
[13:11] <Cul> that's ok, you're still better at it than I am :)
[13:11] <bioterror> it's 10 times easier and prosentually as fast as nfs
[13:11] <Cul> ok then do I need to undo what i have already done then?
[13:11] <hobgoblin> comment out the change you made to /etc/export
[13:12] <hobgoblin> then sudo exportfs -ra again
[13:13] <Cul> ok, pretty much same output
[13:13] <hobgoblin> should stop it trying to export it - then I'd undo the installs - but you might find this easier to follow than the wiki - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=249889
[13:13] <hobgoblin> which would suggest the exports file was wrong :)
[13:14] <hobgoblin> gtg
[13:14] <Cul> tc
[13:16] <Cul> what about undoing changes to /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server, /etc/default/nfs-common and /etc/exports. or will that undo when I undo the installs?
[13:20] <hobgoblin> should be ok to apt-get purge them
[13:21] <MrChrisDruif> Ahh, that is something I'd like to set up on my server ^_^
[13:24] <Cul> purging the kernel server won't break my xbmc will it?
[13:24] <Cul> the nfs kernel server that is
[13:25] <bioterror> xbmc has nothing to do with NFS
[13:25] <bioterror> except it can read the mounts
[13:26] <Cul> ok, just wanted to make sure... I'm at the user lever where i know just enough to be dangerous :)
[13:27] <bioterror> then we have to remove sudo from you! ;)
[13:28] <Cul> ok, I gtg. I'll run through the other tut later and be back when I botch things up! ;)
[13:28] <Cul> sudo is my nemesis
[13:28] <Cul> tc all see ya later
[13:28] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror; +1
[16:55] <thewrath> hello all
[16:55] <thewrath> a none Ubuntu question
[16:55] <thewrath> is there any good free web based requirement management software that you would recommend?
[16:57] <MrChrisDruif> Requirement management software? What do you mean thewrath ? Something like apt?
[16:58] <thewrath> MrChrisDruif: so i can track requirements
[17:01] <MrChrisDruif> Requirements or dependencies?
[17:01] <thewrath> requirements
[17:01] <thewrath> the system must do this
[17:01] <thewrath> the sysem shoudl allow this
[17:01] <thewrath> at work we call these requirements
[17:02] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, I think I understand what you mean, but I don't think that is available
[17:03] <thewrath> darn
[17:04] <MrChrisDruif> But I haven't scoured the web
[17:04] <thewrath> what about dependencies
[17:06] <MrChrisDruif> Ubuntu has recently made the Software Center online available and on debian you can also search for packages and see there deps etc...
[17:06] <thewrath> well i am creating a web app and i want to track it for my own project
[17:07] <MrChrisDruif> You could use apt for retrieving all that info afaik
[17:07] <thewrath> my app is a web application not something you install in ubuntu
[17:09] <MrChrisDruif> But is that web app not run on a system like Ubuntu?
[17:09] <thewrath> it could
[17:09] <thewrath> but  i would not install it through apt-get install
[17:11] <MrChrisDruif> No, that's not what I mean
[17:12] <MrChrisDruif> Ever heard of apt-cache search?
[19:20] <Cul> Hello all, was here this morning trying to set up NFS between an xbmc and my everyday box, both running 10.04. a couple helpful chaps pointed me to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=249889 so I did as instructed...
[19:21] <Cul> now i'm getting mount failed: RPC Error: Program not regisered
[19:22] <stlsaint> Cul: sorry i am unaware of uses on xbmc
[19:22] <holstein> see if http://www.prasannatech.net/2008/07/nfs-troubleshooting-rpc-error-program.html is helpful Cul
[19:23] <Cul> from what I understand the xbmc part is moot. I'm merely wanting to share the folders that store the media which is part of 10.04
[19:23] <Cul> I was just giving that for info on what I was trying to accomplish
[19:23] <holstein> Cul: if i had to linux boxes, i would do ssh shares
[19:26] <Cul> so I've got 3 ppl offering 3 points of advice (I am grateful for the help) I just want to set up the simplest sharing between, primarily these 2, as well as another 2 down the road. :)
[19:26] <holstein> sure.. ssh is the arguably the simplest.. if you want to troubleshoot the error you are getting, try that link i gave, and let me know
[19:27] <Cul> I'm halfway through the tut on nfs and it's not working.  Righto Holstein, I'll give it a look and be back in a few. thks
[19:37] <Cul> holstein: the link talks about the 'dfstab' can I assume that that is the solaris equiv of my fstab or am I going to edit the wrong file
[19:37] <holstein> Cul: not sure.. its more of a starting point..
[19:38] <Cul> ahh, I see
[19:38] <holstein> i exclusively do ssh, since i can make windows share to it, and its literally as easy as install openssh server, and use
[19:40] <Cul> ya know.. that sounds like a winner to me.. purge out nfs kernel and maybe you can hold my hand through ssh :)
[19:41] <holstein> Cul: sure, but theres no need.. let me get the wiki link and you can just try it real quick...
[19:41] <Cul> I like your optimism..
[19:43] <holstein> for example... i install to a machine with the IP address <IP_ADDRESS>... i run sudo apt-get install openssh-server on that machine.. and i run on the client machine "ssh <IP_ADDRESS>"... assuming the user names are the same
[19:43] <holstein> there are options for mounting persistently or whatever
[19:43] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html
[19:43] <Cul> no, they're not the same.. and thre is no client install for the ssh?
[19:44] <holstein> Cul: the clients are typically included already
[19:44] <Cul> ok
[19:44] <holstein> you can run "ssh username@IPaddress"
[19:44] <holstein> depending on your network, you can use the hostname instead of IP
[19:46] <holstein> Cul: in gnome2, in ubuntu 10.04, there is a 'connect' menu item
[19:46] <holstein> you can use that to connect to ssh shares... ftp, whatever
[19:46] <holstein> i like the gigolo package too
[19:46] <kristian-aalborg> anyone care to look at a wireshark log?
[19:47] <kristian-aalborg> http://kristian.users.anapnea.net/wslog2.txt
[19:47] <Cul> ok, I got connection refused... apparently I need to open a port on my router?
[19:47] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: o/ ...ill look.. not sure what ill make of it
[19:47] <holstein> Cul: ?
[19:47] <kristian-aalborg> holstein, TY... it's rather big FYI
[19:47] <holstein> i didnt realize this was over the internet... that'll make all sharing more 'complex'
[19:47] <Cul> ssh <IP_ADDRESS> port 22 connection refused
[19:48] <Cul> no, it should be lan
[19:48] <holstein> Cul: if you didnt install any firewalls, it should just work
[19:48] <holstein> no need to fool with the router
[19:48] <Cul> ok then what's my damage here then?
[19:49] <holstein> Cul: run this on the server machine sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[19:49] <holstein> then run... ssh localhost
[19:49] <holstein> on the server
[19:49] <holstein> see if you 'get in'
[19:49] <Cul> hold on.. I got my lan ip's switched
[19:49] <Cul> one sec
[19:50] <holstein> yup... assuming the server is running, and you have the IP's correct, and the usernames and passwords... it'll just work
[19:50] <Cul> ahh, now I get authenticity of host can't be established... rsa key fingerprint.... are you sure you wanna connect? y/n
[19:51] <holstein> say yes
[19:51] <holstein> you can trust yourself ;)
[19:51] <Cul> hehe, not always
[19:52] <Cul> now it's asking for my user from this box@ip password..  this user is not on the other box.. is that an issue or no?
[19:52] <Cul> apparently it is... it closed my connection
[19:53] <holstein> Cul: you'll need the user name and passwork on the server
[19:53] <holstein> say, the user is user, and the pass is pass on the server... you are at the client
[19:53] <holstein> ssh user@ipaddy
[19:53] <holstein> then, you'll be prompted for the password of that user on the server
[19:54] <Cul> hmmm, making more and more sense as we go... lemme shoot again.
[19:56] <Cul> ok, great.. i'm in.. unfortunately (nothing against you, that was brilliant) how do I do it graphically... I'm not quite uber enough on terminal yet to do all the file transferring I need to do.. :)
[19:56] <Cul> you said there was a connect somethingorother from maybe the filemanager?
[19:58] <holstein> Cul: i like gigolo
[19:58] <holstein> but in 10.04, theres a menu item
[19:58] <holstein> 'connect to server'
[19:59] <holstein> Cul: under 'places'
[19:59] <Cul> right, I'm all over it like a cheap rug..
[19:59] <holstein> select ssh, and put in your particulars, and you'll see it mount
[19:59] <Cul> sweet, so now it's all drag and drop from here right? thanks a bunh
[19:59] <Cul> bunch
[19:59] <holstein> you can explore making that persistent, though i havent needed to
[20:00] <Cul> seems easy enough just to mount
[20:00] <holstein> Cul: yup... its too easy for me to bother with samba or anything else anymore
[20:00] <holstein> and the security benifits...
[20:01] <Cul> to listen to the help on ubuntu site, nfs is supposed to be that easy too.. and samba and... blah, that was a piece of cake
[20:01] <Cul> exactly what i needed. thanks again
[20:02] <holstein> Cul: i can only speak from experience.. if i were to take a fork in the eye, or set up samba.... hmmm...
[20:02] <Cul> so just real quick, how does this work to ssh to window.. I will have the occasional windows brick to share to from..?
[20:03] <holstein> i use http://www.swish-sftp.org/
[20:04] <Cul> sweet, I'll check it out... .gtg for now
[20:06] <holstein> Cul: enjoy!
[21:43] <AlexForce22> Hello good afternoon every one..
[21:44] <AlexForce22> Am tryin to see if i can get some advance knowledge about Apache server, anyone can guide me in the right direction
[21:46] <holstein> AlexForce22: i mean, other than pointing you to a wiki or manpage, you'd need to elaborate as to what you need/want
[21:47] <AlexForce22> Ok, I am interested in learning about Apache server
[21:47] <AlexForce22> am interested in developing a business Idea,
[21:48] <AlexForce22> and I took my time in learning FOSS technologies over the years, now am interested in going to the Server side, ie. Advanced...
[21:49] <holstein> i used to run http://www.turnkeylinux.org/ instances in Vbox, or from live CD's to test/learn
[21:49] <holstein> there are all kinds of drop in wordpress, ruby.. whatever
[21:49] <holstein> just LAMP
[21:49] <AlexForce22> Well am for LAMP
[21:50] <AlexForce22> thats wat i study..
[21:51] <AlexForce22> what am interested in is: 1. Optimisation for APACHE. 2. Documentation about apapche on a large scale, ideas, tools, 3. Even hardware preference for large scale is an asset
[21:53] <holstein> maybe they have a channel.. you can try #ubuntu-server
[21:54] <holstein> i have heard there is better than apache for large scale.... but i dont remember what the alternatives were
[21:55] <holstein> what they were called rather... i heard about them on the techsnap podcast if memory serves
[22:08] <AlexForce22> ok
[22:09] <AlexForce22> so the name of the site is techsnap
[22:12] <holstein> AlexForce22: the site i linked is called turnkey
[22:13] <holstein> the podcast i mentioned is called techsnap
[22:13] <AlexForce22> ok
[22:13] <holstein> http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show/techsnap/
[22:14] <holstein> but, you can probably find information just seaching for apache alternatives and asking about them
[22:14] <holstein> though, it is still a standard, so learning about it wont hurt
[22:14] <AlexForce22> ok
[22:14] <AlexForce22> thanks
[23:43] <thewrath> hello all
[23:45] <benonsoftware> Hi thewrath
[23:45] <thewrath> hwo r u
[23:46] <benonsoftware> Fine thanks
[23:46] <benonsoftware> Yourself?
[23:46] <benonsoftware> btw the offtopic channel is in #ubuntu-beginners-team


[02:27] <marcoceppi> dpb1: there's actually a plugin, juju-test, that creates and destroys environments between each test run
[02:50] <dpb1> marcoceppi: thx


[00:50] <valorie> home again, home again -- and I think Scarlett is on the train from Seattle to Portland by now
 Yep
 Had a great time! !
 Yay
[00:53] <valorie> it was a great weekend
[00:53] <valorie> I hope to go a day early next year as well
[00:53] <valorie> really made it special
 I can't wait till SELF
[01:31] <mamarley> I rode in a train today too!  It was a steam excursion from Greensboro, NC to Roanoke, VA and back.
[04:12] <valorie> ahoneybun: there was a SELF table right next to us
[04:12] <valorie> loved their accents
[05:27] <claydoh> ahoneybun: many belated thanks, dude ;)
[06:10] <vip> hi ho
[06:11] <valorie> hi vip
 @Valoriez have you seen what Eva wrote yesterday?
[06:19] <valorie> yes!
[06:19] <valorie> lovely to have another enthusiastic newcomer
[06:20] <valorie> imo first: work on our work structure, to get all possible pain-points out
[06:20] <valorie> then Plasma 5.6
[06:21] <valorie> then conquer the world I guess!
[06:21] <valorie> I sure burned a lot of Kubuntu DVDs over the weekend
[06:21] <valorie> and a lot of pleased and happy folks told us that they run Kubuntu
[06:22] <valorie> of course we talked to happy users of many of the other flavors as well
[06:22] <valorie> helped an older gentleman this morning get his Xubuntu running k3b correctly for him
[06:22] <valorie> to backup his growing collection of movie DVDs
[06:23] <valorie> worked better than handbrake, which I was not able to get working for him, and neither was my son (while I was packing away computers, etc.)
[06:23] <valorie> but k3b saved the day after all
 @Clifford yes watched before I left for the conference in case we got questions. But we didn't!
[09:10]  * clivejo ponders the git move to LP
 /me wonders if he understands it correctly
[09:12] <renee77> hi :D
[09:13] <clivejo> hi renee77
 Hi there rennee77
[09:14] <clivejo> Rick: understand what?
[09:14] <renee77> do you know who to contact tomorow to assist in what needs to be done?
 Well the move from Git to LP
 I assume that is a move from GitHub back to LP
[09:15] <clivejo> renee77: depends what you want to assist with :)
 Is it a return to Bzr also
[09:15] <clivejo> from Debian Alioth to LP git
 We have a Trello board
 Ah I see
[09:15] <clivejo> Rick: no, not bzr, LP now has git access
 Oh Ok
 Sounds pretty sensible move then
 put stuff in one place
 did u see Caly's post about PPa
[09:16] <renee77> ah that doesnt mather mailed through mailing list to help with 16.4
[09:16] <clivejo> basically is hard for us to get people comit access in Debian repo, so moving to LP would give us greater control
 Yes, and that is vital for us
[09:19] <renee77> I'll have to go be back later
[09:20] <clivejo> but I fear it will fork us and lead us further from Debian
[09:20] <renee77> gl
 This eveing 19:00 UTC
 renee77
[09:20] <renee77> ok tx :D
 I will be hacking on Muon, and Bug fixing etc
 I will be here in IRC
[09:21] <renee77> ok nice I ll join in
[09:21]  * clivejo is itching to get started on Yakkety
[09:22] <soee> :o
[09:24] <soee> clivejo: so we are waiting for a decision about moving to LP before any work can start ?
[09:34] <clivejo> I think the decision has been made, its just the technical details of how to do it
[09:34] <clivejo> what branches we need, modify our staging scripts to use the new git archive etc
[09:45] <SilentGhost> Has anyone seen this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1569674
[10:28] <clivejo> Open365 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xqn14OtcuQ
[10:29] <soee> clivejo: did you jumped ot YY ?
[10:29] <soee> *to
[10:30] <clivejo> huh?
[10:30] <soee> ?
[10:30] <clivejo> jumped ot YY?
[10:30] <clivejo> what does that mean?
[10:30] <soee> lol :D
[10:30] <soee> jumped to YY = upgraded to Yakkety Yak -.-
[10:31] <clivejo> oh
[10:31] <clivejo> no
[10:31] <clivejo> not much there yet :/
[10:31] <clivejo> its basically still Xenial
[10:32] <soee> oki :)
[10:34] <clivejo> aww the open365-client is qt4 :(
[10:38] <clivejo> I think this is what Kolab are building into the webmail :)  Looks sooooo cool!
[10:39] <clivejo> oh its Kontact !!
[10:40] <clivejo> oh man, I cant wait for this to be intregated in Kolab!
[10:43] <clivejo> Its kontact in a web container, how does that work?
[10:43] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[10:43] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[10:44] <BluesKaj> Hi clivejo
[10:44] <soee> hiho
[10:44] <BluesKaj> Hi soee
[10:44] <clivejo> http://postimg.org/image/d7ef16n07/
[10:45] <clivejo> I think I can import my entire Kontact PIM into that cloud!
[10:47]  * clivejo is seriously impressed!
[10:47]  * mamarley just wants Plasma 5.6.
[10:48]  * soee seconds mamarley :)
[10:49] <BluesKaj> mamarley, what changes make everyone want 5.6 so much?
[10:49] <mamarley> I can't remember anymore; it has been too long.
[10:50] <clivejo> its new and shiney
[10:51] <soee> it is more stable, it has better performance, it si smoother it has some fancy features -.-
[10:58] <clivejo> yofel: ping
[11:03]  * yofel listens to the echo
[11:05] <clivejo> how do I put the git archives into folders
[11:05] <clivejo> ie frameworks, plasma, apps#
[11:06] <acheron88> so any idea which is likely to be first? plasma 5.6 for yakkety, or backport for xenial?
[11:06] <acheron88> don't mind testing either or both in ppas
[11:07] <clivejo> I think scarlett was going to work on backports for senile
[11:08] <clivejo> Im more keen on getting the packaging moved from Debian to LP and trying to get a defined workflow going again
[11:08] <clivejo> and getting peeps trained up on how it works :)
[11:10] <acheron88> OK. if so, then may be a while on either then....
[11:10] <clivejo> probably
[11:10] <yofel> git-clone-all is probably the easiest tool to fetch the repositories
[11:11] <clivejo> yup
[11:11] <clivejo> and rm the remote
[11:12] <acheron88> clivejo: I'll prob stick with xenial for now then, and see where things go.
[11:14] <clivejo> yofel: what about the folder structure?
[11:14] <clivejo> git.debian.org/git/pkg-kde/frameworks/kpeople.git
[11:14] <yofel> do we really need those?
[11:15] <clivejo> git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/frameworks/kpeople.git?
[11:15] <yofel> I don't think that's a valid URI
[11:15] <yofel> you would probably have to create seperate projects if you want subfolders
[11:15] <yofel> (if the names aren't taken yet)
[11:16] <clivejo> I dont know, I thought it served a purpose for each of the three conponents
[11:16] <yofel> I know it serves some purpose for debian, but we never had that in the past
[11:17] <yofel> unless some script is crazy enough to glob the folder on moszumanska (which won't work with LP anyway)
[11:17] <clivejo> and for a newbie (like myself) it makes it easier to understand what package is in which componant
[11:18] <yofel> hm...
[11:20] <yofel> I guess we could make LP projects with 'kde-${component}' as name
[11:20] <yofel> I personally always curse the subfolders because I often get the component wrong
[11:21] <clivejo> you have lots more experience with this kind of stuff
[11:22] <yofel> give me some time to think about it
[11:22] <clivejo> so whatever you think is best :)
[11:22] <clivejo> 5mins enough? :P
[11:22] <yofel> no :P
[11:22] <clivejo> LOL
[11:23] <yofel> I'm somewhat distracted right now
[11:23] <clivejo> oh anything exciting?
[11:23] <yofel> work? :D
[11:23] <clivejo> not exciting then!
[12:06] <soee> https://open365.io/
[12:07] <allee> BluesKaj: Multimonitor handling should be much better in 5.6!   In 5.5 it's mostly buggy or broken :-( !
[12:08] <allee> qt 5.6 that is ;-)
[12:08] <soee> clivejo: you were trying to compile open365 clinet for Xenial ?
[12:08] <soee> client provided by them has dependencies problems
[12:10] <colomar> mhall119: I've submitted the session proposal for Kirigami
[12:11] <soee> allee: it works fine here on 5.5 :)
[12:17] <BluesKaj> allee, ok thanks. I use just one monitor, it's my tv since this pc is also our media server
[12:20] <allee> soee:  Lucky guy.  my college and I get lot's of crashes and other misbehaviour  (both with intel driver).
[12:20] <soee> oO
[12:21] <soee> allee: ah you also mentioned qt 5.6 - this wont land in Xenial
[12:21] <soee> probably in Yakkety yak
[12:22] <allee> soee: With laptops I updates twice per year, so yes hopefully Yakkety Yak, will make my laptop happy again
[13:00] <clivejo> soee: looks like it uses QT4
[13:02] <clivejo> soee: do you know how this works? It looks like the apps are actually running in a container or something?
[13:03] <clivejo> with the output being streamed over the internet
[13:08] <soee> clivejo: not sure, but it is a bit slow and looks not so good
[13:09] <clivejo> http://postimg.org/image/d7ef16n07/
[13:10] <clivejo> Quite an old version of Kontact, <IP_ADDRESS> compared to  5.1.3 on my desktop
[13:11] <clivejo> but it behaves as if the application is actually running somewhere
[13:30] <apol> hey, can somebody help me triage this bug? I'm not sure what's going on https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362096
[13:39] <soee> apol: there is something wrong - if i type some letters the main area is just white - no results, but sometimes it shows a list
[13:40] <soee> also for example if i type slowly 'w' + 'e' it show some list but if i typoe same letters quickly than list is empty
[13:41] <soee> like some timeout
[13:42] <apol> soee: have you reported it?
[13:42] <soee> now is suddenly started to show result more or less as expected
[13:42] <soee> apol: no, i do not use discover
[13:42] <soee> just tested now when you mentioned this bug
[13:42] <apol> ok
[13:44] <marco-parillo> soee: apol Yes, I have experienced inconsistant results with the search box in Discover. I cannot reliably reproduce it, thought.
[13:45] <marco-parillo> though
[13:46] <marco-parillo> Sometimes the search box does not work, but navigating through the categories does.
[13:47] <apol> I see
[13:48] <apol> well, if you manage to reproduce, please report and I'll look into it further
 I see there is no backports ppa for Xenial. When is it usually created?
[14:02] <clivejo> usually when we actually do the backport
[14:03] <clivejo> sgclark was talking about staging a few backports for frameworks and plasma
[14:04] <clivejo> but she was away for a bit and hasnt made a start on that, as far as I know
 aha
[14:13] <marco-parillo> Can the backports be created before the transition to LP?
[14:14] <clivejo> I think scarlett was going to do that
[14:14] <clivejo> Im not keen on that idea myself
[14:14] <clivejo> usually we do dev first then backport
[14:21] <marco-parillo> Right, and since I thought the decision was to go to LP for 16.10, and the general rule is to do dev first, then it has to wait for the migration to LP. But, the good news, is that I have a clean install of yakkety, and it went smoothly/
[14:34] <BluesKaj> mparillo, LP?
[14:37] <clivejo> LP = LaunchPad
[14:37] <clivejo> but Yakkety is basically Xenial at the momnet
[14:37] <clivejo> with some of the new toolchain uploaded
[14:38] <clivejo> marco-parillo: yofel is considering how we should structure the git archive on LP
[14:39] <clivejo> I kinda like the way debian has separate folders for frameworks, plasma and apps, yofel isnt that keen on that idea
[14:40]  * yofel can't make up his mind
[14:40] <yofel> on one hand, I would like to just keep it flat so things are easier to look up (kde has no namespaces for offical repositories either). OTOH having namespaces might allow for more dynamic scripting with launchpadlib
[14:40] <yofel> but namespaces then again has the issue that we need to handle component moves and removals, which is a non-issue with a flat list
[14:42] <clivejo> how does the KA scripts handle to 3 components?
[14:42] <clivejo> is it just whats in a json file?
[14:42] <yofel> yes, and maybe some other plaintext file
[14:43] <clivejo> frameworks = {a,b,c,..}
[14:43] <yofel> debian git has dead repositories as well, so you need to know what repositories are actually relevant
[14:43] <yofel> just because a repos is in frameworks/ doesn't mean that it's a valid framework
[14:43] <clivejo> there are also some splits that need to be made
 Sorry. Slept in. I did not get much over the weekend.
 Much sleep
[18:55]  * sick_rimmit Waves
[18:55] <sick_rimmit> o/
[18:55] <sick_rimmit> Hi friends
[18:56] <ahoneybun> hey rick
[18:56] <sick_rimmit> HI ahoneybunI bought a new Headset today, fixed my Big Blue Button problem
[18:56] <sick_rimmit> How you doing ?
[18:56] <ahoneybun> sweet
[18:56] <ahoneybun> fine, just got home from work
[18:57] <sick_rimmit> Ah cool, you work an early shift ?
[18:57] <ahoneybun> 8:45am to 2:15
[18:57] <ahoneybun> pm
[18:58] <sick_rimmit> Oh not super early start then heh
[18:59] <ahoneybun> nah
[19:02] <soee> o/
[19:04] <renee77> hi
[19:04] <sick_rimmit> o/
[19:04] <sick_rimmit> Hi renee77
[19:05] <ahoneybun> heyo renee77
[19:05]  * sick_rimmit waves energetically at sooe
[19:05]  * sick_rimmit waves energetically at soee
[19:05] <sick_rimmit> \o/
[19:05]  * renee77 is wondering who I was supposed to meet now *blush8
[19:05] <sick_rimmit> Me
[19:05]  * ahoneybun thinks sick_rimmit smoked something today
[19:06] <sick_rimmit> Mackerel
[19:06] <renee77> lol
[19:06] <soee> :)
[19:06] <sick_rimmit> So I was just setting up Kdevelop for messing about with Muon
[19:07] <sick_rimmit> I understand that renee77 was looking to get involved with us Krazy Kubuntu Katz
[19:08] <sick_rimmit> Any idea on what you'd like to have a play around with renee77
[19:08] <renee77> you did understand correctly ;-)
[19:08] <sick_rimmit> This is excellent ;-)
[19:08] <sick_rimmit> OK..
[19:09] <renee77> no idea I am not this long around with linux, but learn very quick
[19:09] <sick_rimmit> What do you Fancy, Bugs, Docs, Packaging, Testing..
[19:09] <renee77> plan to develop for healthcare apps
[19:09] <renee77> I fancy everything
[19:09] <sick_rimmit> Awesome !
[19:10] <soee> clivejo: ping
[19:10] <sick_rimmit> This very cool, as we have a few spaces in our community for people who like doing everything
[19:10] <renee77> I know a bit of c++ but not enough right now
[19:10] <renee77> lol
[19:10] <sick_rimmit> I bet you know more than me, and I'm now one of the maintainers for Muon
[19:10] <sick_rimmit> rofl
[19:11] <renee77> ;-)
[19:11] <sick_rimmit> Well I will be when I figure out how to commit the code the kde.projects
[19:11]  * sick_rimmit laughs
[19:11] <renee77> what setup do you want me to have now?
[19:11] <sick_rimmit> Do you work in Healthcare ?
[19:11] <renee77> yes nursing
[19:12] <sick_rimmit> Ah cool, have you come across GNU Health
[19:12] <renee77> nope not yet explored suse and debian (abandonned branch)
[19:13] <renee77> have been reading a lot about kernel config etc
[19:13] <renee77> and exploring hard ware in what possibilities they have
[19:13] <sick_rimmit> There is an interesting FLOSS Weekly Podcast, with Randall talking to the developers of it.
[19:13] <sick_rimmit> Might be interesting, I thought it was interesting
[19:14] <renee77> ok not knowing what floss is yet ;)
[19:14] <renee77> I for sure will think so to
[19:15] <sick_rimmit> https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/288
[19:15] <sick_rimmit> There you go ^
[19:15] <sick_rimmit> FLOSS ( Free Libre Open Source Software )
[19:15] <clivejo> soee: pong
[19:15] <renee77> I am very determend to develop something what actually works for people who cant talk
[19:15] <sick_rimmit> Alright, that is most certainly doable
[19:16] <sick_rimmit> Have you come across Jovie yet
[19:16] <soee> clivejo: iv been bussy few hours, you said that open365 depends on QT4 ?
[19:16] <sick_rimmit> It is part of the KDE Suite
[19:16] <ahoneybun> sick_rimmit, take a screenshot of my app uBeginner on that M10 of yours when you can lol
[19:16] <sick_rimmit> ahoneybun: Sure I will
[19:16] <renee77> yes I intent to use the systesizerdb
[19:16] <clivejo> looks like it yes, but I didnt look into it much
[19:17] <sick_rimmit> OK renee77 lets get you started
[19:17] <sick_rimmit> do you have a Launchpad account yet ?
[19:17] <renee77> nice
[19:17] <sick_rimmit> launchpad.net
[19:17]  * clivejo has been trying to sweep a chimney
[19:17] <renee77> yes
[19:18] <sick_rimmit> excellent..
[19:18] <soee> clivejo: and we do not have qt4 anymore in Xenial ?
[19:18] <clivejo> we do
[19:18] <sick_rimmit> Fore warning  her
[19:18] <sick_rimmit> Oh documentation is all over the place :-(
[19:18] <soee> clivejo: so it is possible to compile client to make it work ?
[19:18] <sick_rimmit> We're are working on getting it sorted
[19:18] <clivejo> soee: sure
[19:19] <clivejo> but I cant see any source code
[19:19] <clivejo> soee: why?
[19:19] <soee> ah right, on this blog post they said they will publish it wen it will be ready :/
[19:20] <clivejo> is it a KDE project?
[19:20] <sick_rimmit> Our Kubuntu Bugs on LP always needs triage, fancy having a go at that renee77?
[19:20] <soee> clivejo: not sure but related somehow i think
[19:20] <renee77> sure
[19:20]  * soee sees mysql upgrade
[19:21]  * clivejo growls at mysql upgrade
[19:21] <sick_rimmit> renee77: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs
[19:22] <sick_rimmit> Joining this team, may prove useful,
[19:22] <sick_rimmit> renee77: Here is the Bugs list
[19:22] <sick_rimmit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs
[19:23] <renee77> ok
[19:23] <sick_rimmit> Take a look around, give me a nudge with questions, or when you've had enough poking about. I'll find some other links for you
[19:24] <renee77> Ok
[19:26] <renee77> 5 mins ofline moving to other room more screens ;)
[19:29] <soee> yofel: ksnapshot is not installed by default in Xenial ?
[19:29] <clivejo> soee: no
[19:29] <soee> clivejo: why ?
[19:29] <clivejo> ksnapshot is no more
[19:29] <soee> ah right sorry forgot
[19:29] <clivejo> replaced by spectacle
[19:31] <clivejo> spectacle is the KF5 replacement
[19:32] <clivejo> the maintainer decided to rename it
[19:32] <soee> right
[19:32] <clivejo> and I think he rewrote the code from scratch
[19:47] <ahoneybun> just installed 16.04 on real hardware with 0 issues
[19:47] <ahoneybun> other then the ones we know, no icons in favorites and oxygen icons on first boot
[19:51] <clivejo> yeah, we just didnt get the package fixed up in time for the fav icons in kickoff
[19:54] <sick_rimmit> Do I need special rights to change the status of Bugs on bugs.kde.org ?
[19:54] <sick_rimmit> I can see how to comment, but not actually close, change state etc...
[20:09] <ahoneybun> most likely
[20:12] <clivejo> hi ahoneybun
[20:12] <ahoneybun> heyo
[20:12] <clivejo> how are you getting on?
[20:18] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: how do you triage bugs on LP?
[20:23] <sick_rimmit> clivejo: I just go looking, usually do an advanced search and look at the new ones
[20:23] <sick_rimmit> some times I test it see if I can repeat it myself
[20:23] <sick_rimmit> or I make comments
[20:23] <sick_rimmit> I check where it's assigned debian, ubuntu, kde
[20:24] <sick_rimmit> mostly I fish about, trying to tidy up, and see what I can close
[20:25] <clivejo> anyone know how to push all branches?
[20:26] <renee77> so when it affects debian you'll leave it alone?
[20:26] <clivejo> Ive git clones debian git and removed all the remotes
[20:26] <clivejo> now want to push that that LP
[20:26] <soee> git push --all ?
[20:27] <clivejo> renee77: a lot of our packages are shared with debian, so sometimes its better to report that bug to debian as well
[20:27] <clivejo> we have a number of "upstreams"
[20:28] <sick_rimmit> Oh I'm sorry renee77I didn't see you rejoin
[20:28] <renee77> ah ok
[20:28] <clivejo> kubuntu=>ubuntu=>debian
[20:28] <clivejo> and kubuntu=>kde
[20:29] <renee77> ok but what bug is for what team
[20:29] <renee77> or no involvement
[20:29] <clivejo> indeed some of kubuntu's package from KDE we go straight to debian :)
[20:29] <clivejo> renee77: we have to work that out and point the bug in the direction to someone that can help
[20:29] <sick_rimmit> This is the guide I use for Bug Triage
[20:29] <sick_rimmit> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Triage
[20:29] <renee77> ah ok
[20:30] <sick_rimmit> It's the standard Ubuntu one, but I think it's quite well written
[20:30]  * sick_rimmit thinks hmmm, what's my top tip
[20:32] <sick_rimmit> Advanced Search
[20:32] <sick_rimmit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs/+bugs?advanced=1
[20:32] <sick_rimmit> This is were the action is, I use this to filter out just the new stuff
[20:32] <sick_rimmit> or things that are incomplete
[20:33] <renee77> ok looks like medical database I will find my way there :D
[20:33] <sick_rimmit> There usually good pickings in the new ones, or bugs you can check if they're incomplete
[20:33] <renee77> I was reading all the bugs on the other page srry :D
[20:33] <valorie> renee77: welcome to the Kubuntu team!
[20:33]  * valorie was away for the weekend and missed welcoming you before
[20:34] <renee77> Thanks @valorie
[20:34] <valorie> bug triage -- what a great way to start!
[20:34] <valorie> hi to all
[20:34]  * clivejo cries
[20:35] <renee77> lol
[20:35] <sick_rimmit> \O/
[20:35] <valorie> sounds like we partied all weekend, and are now back to work!
[20:35] <valorie> can't wait to see the move back to LP, etc.
[20:35] <clivejo> valorie: thats why Im crying
[20:36] <valorie> clivejo: here is a handkerchief
[20:36] <valorie> clivejo: I thought you hated not being able to push to Debian git?
[20:36] <clivejo> LP is not doing what Im telling it to do!
[20:36] <clivejo> I dont hate it
[20:36] <valorie> ah, OK
[20:37] <clivejo> I just see working with debian as a good thing
[20:37] <valorie> I was one of the boosters of moving to Deb.git, but it didn't work out for either side as well as we hoped
[20:37] <valorie> they aren't re-using our work as we hoped they would
[20:37] <clivejo> I can see the pro's and con's
[20:38] <valorie> and it has become a barrier to entry on our side
[20:38] <clivejo> well we dont tend to follow their strict guidelines and policies!
[20:38] <valorie> right
[20:38] <valorie> I hope that we'll continue to maintain our strong ties with them
[20:38] <valorie> meet with them at Akademy, etc.
[20:38] <sick_rimmit> renee77: With your C++ dev, what do you use for your IDE ?
[20:39] <clivejo> just hope we dont fork too badly from them
[20:39] <clivejo> is sgclark home yet?
[20:39] <renee77> just setup kdevelop
[20:39] <sick_rimmit> Ah cool..
[20:39] <valorie> I think we are closer than Ubuntu proper is, and I believe that will continue
[20:40] <sgclark> I am home and working on the backports
[20:40] <valorie> sgclark is home and it sounds like at least has her phone turned on
[20:40] <valorie> oooo
[20:40] <sick_rimmit> So you can get code for different projects for KDE software from projects.kde.org
[20:40] <valorie> workaholic!
[20:40] <clivejo> sgclark: o/
[20:40] <valorie> <3
[20:40] <sick_rimmit> http://quickgit.kde.org/
[20:40] <valorie> I went to bed early and slept late too, Scarlett
[20:40] <renee77> great
[20:41] <sgclark> heh me too, well slept in till 8:30 which is late for me
[20:41] <sick_rimmit> Kdevelop will let you pull the code directly from GIT to a local clone.. You might need to enable the Git plugin in Kdevelop
[20:42] <renee77> The plugin I have
[20:42] <sgclark> clivejo: uploading 5.20 frameworks to staging (xenial), but in no particular order, stuff will be broken for a bit
[20:42] <renee77> not puled in anything wanted to have a look at the "kde" parted app
[20:42] <sgclark> and have to do each one by hand for even more fun
[20:42] <clivejo> :)
[20:43] <clivejo> have you pushed the status page?
[20:43] <sgclark> no, you wanna? :)
[20:43] <clivejo> sgclark: do you know how to use the directory name in do-all script?
[20:44] <sgclark> clivejo: I have not yet got any of those scripts to work for me
[20:44] <clivejo> I need to do "do-all git remote add origin lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/$package_name"
[20:44] <sick_rimmit> Hmmm. I believe that is called kparted
[20:44] <sick_rimmit> Search gives me nothing...
[20:44] <sick_rimmit> But I found
[20:44] <sick_rimmit> https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=partitionmanager.git
[20:45] <sick_rimmit> See if you can pull that project into Kdevelop
[20:45] <clivejo> have you cloned kubuntu_automation?
[20:46] <sgclark> uh of course.
[20:46] <clivejo> did you setup the LP git in .gitconfig?
[20:46] <sgclark> it is the new scripts that do not like me, the older ones I still use
[20:47] <clivejo> sounds like you cant push?
[20:48] <sgclark> sorry I am completely lost in this conversation. Why are we talking about my kubuntu_automation clone? I have no use for the do-all stuff right now.
[20:48] <soee> on G+ i think it is second or third user that reported "all shell scripts missing" error in Xenial
[20:49] <clivejo> sgclark: frameworks 5.20?
[20:49] <clivejo> sgclark: Im working on cloning debian git and trying to put them on LP
[20:49] <sgclark> I believe them, but it makes zero sense. My only guess is ubiquity is completely bailing the install when X fails.
[20:49] <renee77> hmm is it normal for kdevelop to quick when pushing get
[20:50] <soee> why not 5.21.0 ? :)
[20:50] <sgclark> clivejo: I thought yofel was working on git->LP
[20:50] <clivejo> he was guiding me earlier, but hes not around now
[20:50] <sgclark> 5.21 was released? blah didnt know
[20:51] <soee> yes more than half month ago
[20:51]  * sgclark starts over with 5.21
[20:51] <soee> www.kdg/.org/announcements/kde-frameworks-5.21.0.php
[20:51] <clivejo> sgclark: what should I push for the status page?
[20:51] <clivejo> 20 or 21?
[20:51] <sgclark> 5.21
[20:53] <sick_rimmit> renee77: quick, do you mean quit
[20:54] <clivejo> sgclark: done - https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation/commit/?id=90b6da310f64c6161d8a6f833af09273347512d5
[20:54] <sgclark> ty
[20:59] <sick_rimmit> renee77: Hmm I had this trouble too, I'm just checking my thinking, but I think I know what the issue is
[21:00] <renee77> ah ok
[21:01] <clivejo> sgclark: do you use the KA scripts to backport?
[21:01] <sgclark> no
[21:01] <renee77> I am thinking to read up about triaging now and tomorow pull in that source
[21:02] <renee77> I'll be availleble all day tomorow
[21:02] <renee77> for whatever needs to be done
[21:03] <valorie> yay, green!
[21:03] <clivejo> KCI is a bit broken at present!
[21:03] <clivejo> poor thing
[21:04] <sgclark> clivejo: those backport scripts were written back in bzr days. another tool that needs a rewrite.
[21:04] <valorie> how does fixing that work into our workflow, clivejo?
[21:04] <clivejo> sgclark: I think they work
[21:04] <clivejo> just tempermental
[21:04] <sgclark> no they dont
[21:04] <clivejo> more mental than temper
[21:06] <sgclark> and since this is being done backwards (backport before archive) they definately would not work.
[21:06] <clivejo> oh ok
[21:07] <clivejo> I thought this script did it - https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation/tree/kubuntu-batch-backport-git
[21:07] <clivejo> but you probably right about the workflow being back to front
[21:08] <sick_rimmit> renee77: OK..
[21:09] <sick_rimmit> So Kdevelop goes quiet for some time, whilst it Clones the repo in the background
[21:10] <sick_rimmit> If you move the modal window, you'll be able to see in the bottom panel of kdevelop, in the Version Control panel that it is cloning the project
[21:10] <clivejo> if [ "$1" != "dev" ]; then echo "unifinished!"
[21:11] <clivejo> yeah its looking to merge kubuntu_yakkety_archive :)
[21:11] <sick_rimmit> Then the Next buttong will highlight, Click Next, and follow the dialogues and it should complete
[21:11] <sick_rimmit> Command exited with value 0.
[21:11] <renee77> ah ok thanks :D
[21:11] <sick_rimmit> If that works then you're ready to rock :-D
[21:12] <renee77> I'll plan to ;-)
[21:12] <renee77> for now ofline, so I can get in to triaging
[21:12] <renee77> see you all tomorow
[21:13] <sick_rimmit> https://community.kde.org/Bugsquad/Guide_To_BugTriaging
[21:13] <sick_rimmit> Worth checkin out too
[21:17] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.21.0_xenial.html
[21:18] <clivejo> at least ECM built :)
[21:21] <sgclark> lol
[22:00] <ahoneybun> clivejo, I just saw that question
[22:09] <ahoneybun> anyone seen open365.io yet?
[22:09] <ahoneybun> running LibreOffice and Kontact
[22:26] <valorie> yes, really nice
[22:27] <valorie> I wish it was Calligra and Kontact
[22:27] <valorie> but maybe in the future
[22:27] <ahoneybun> it's Kontact
[22:27] <ahoneybun> I though
[22:29] <tsdgeos> valorie: ahoneybun: yes, it is kontact
[22:30] <valorie> kde is taking over the world \o/
[22:31]  * ahoneybun installs Calligra
[22:35] <clivejo> ahoneybun: do you know how that cloud works?
[22:35] <clivejo> it looks like the actual app is running in a container and the IO is being streamed over the net
[22:36] <ahoneybun> yea
[22:36] <ahoneybun> I don't fully understand it
[22:36] <ahoneybun> lol
[22:37] <clivejo> its good though!
[22:37] <clivejo> finally something to rival M$
[22:45] <tsdgeos> ahoneybun: spice
[22:46] <clivejo> eakk
[22:46] <tsdgeos> http://www.spice-space.org/
[22:46]  * clivejo forgot he was logged into BBB
[22:46] <tsdgeos> and more things of course
[22:54] <ahoneybun> tsdgeos, I saw that it was running on wily but with a 4.4 kernel
[22:54] <tsdgeos> ahoneybun: you know more than me, all i know is from talking to Alex
[22:55]  * ahoneybun looked in the "About LibreOffice" tab
[22:55] <ahoneybun> tsdgeos, Alex who?
[22:55] <tsdgeos> Alex Fiestas
[22:56] <ahoneybun> mm
[22:56] <ahoneybun> don't know them


[00:00] <BloatHunter> but here i am looking at a colord profile upload uri for a url that no longer exists, with a shared domain cert for some cringe birth hypnosis stuff
 That's very spontaneous and offtopic :P
[00:00] <BloatHunter> motd-news is actually enabled in one of the core snaps
 Probably
 I don't mean to seem disinterested but I genuinely don't know what useful feedback to give in your monologue
 *to your monologue
 If you spot a bug, feel free to shout though
[00:03] <BloatHunter> i guess i just don't understand
 You don't understand why motd is where it is, why time isn't 12h for Americans, or why Ubuntu has a security team? I'm a bit lost to be frank
[00:05] <BloatHunter> why things are the way they are
[00:06] <BloatHunter> i mean i don't get why people would even leave that much surface of attack by not making things conditional based on whats installed
[00:06] <BloatHunter> i mean jesus, gstreamer still has firewire by default in good plugins
 That's a good question for the security team, not the QA team
 I understand why you're asking the questions you are and they're valid from my minimal investigation but you're in the wrong channel my friend
[00:07] <BloatHunter> honestly i jsut don't want to signup to IRC because its 2020
 Then don't. It's a free country (from what I can tell you're American, and so am I)
[00:13] <BloatHunter30> mumble still has the same bugs as it did in 18.04
[00:15] <BloatHunter30> systemd is creating masks sometimes in directories above where they need to be
[00:17] <BloatHunter30> apt is showing at random it seems nothing or arch tags from mirrors (i386/amd64 double lines or nothing). removing snapd doesn't remove the snap directory. snap remove doesn't support wildcards. snap remove sometimes leaves the dir behind (ie/core18)
[00:18] <BloatHunter30> the nautilus file manager doesn't have a way to enable the terminal plugin visually even though its installed which makes it functionally bloat
[00:22] <BloatHunter> The installer doesn't have a sense of speed priority, instead deferring to hardware or chance regarding default install drive. The obvious choice would be to select NVME over SATA SSD
[04:45] <BloatHunter> Yaru dark theme doesn't apply to gksudo popups
 I have a window+ubuntu dual boot pc.I tired to install Ubuntu Kylin desktop environment on my Ubuntu and now on booting ubuntu I'm struck on this screen. Can anyone help?:
[05:49] <valorie> this channel is about testing
[05:49] <valorie> use #ubuntu or the Kylin channel for user help
 Okay thankyou 😊
[05:50] <valorie> or #ubuntu+1 if this is 20.04 beta
[05:50] <valorie> does sound like a bug, for sure
 Did the older Ubuntu not have the cool new codename logo?
 Like:
 https://cdn.statically.io/img/149366088.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Disco-Dingo.jpg
 https://cdn.statically.io/img/149366088.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/19.10-ermine-wallpaper.jpg
 https://cdn.statically.io/img/149366088.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/ubuntu-18.10-wallpaper-cuttlefish.jpg
 Is this a new thing?  I was looking back at old code names and say "Ubuntu 15 10 Wily Werewolf"
 Was hoping to see a cool werewolf design....
[06:15] <BloatHunter> tried to add a gpg signed repo, it wouldn't update correctly to see the new packages. put link in /etc/apt/sources.list.d, dl key, apt-key, didn't work. disabling and enabling in synaptic worked
[06:34] <valorie> the design team has been great, lately
[06:34] <valorie> I liked the old ones too
[08:47] <Dr8g0n> Was anyone able to look at / confirm the multitouch thingy? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1872076
[08:56] <Dr8g0n> Filed another report for another issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1872177
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> Dr8g0n: ok i confirmed your launcher bug, i can reproduce that
[09:13] <dawnrazor73> regards
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> welcome dawnrazor73
[09:14] <dawnrazor73> Question: Testing 20.04 in a VM now, is it right that there is no shortcut to choose applictions?
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> dawnrazor73: open dash with icons you mean?
[09:15] <dawnrazor73> yes
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> dawnrazor73: super + A
[09:16] <dawnrazor73> works! but no button?
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> dawnrazor73: you can change hotkeys combo in systemsettings
[09:19] <dawnrazor73> It's a little bit confusing, because in first view you see nothing to choose the applications. In 16.04 and 18.04 you allways had a icon therefore...
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> evolution dawnrazor73
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> dawnrazor73: there is an classicmenu-indicator you can install if you want a 'classic' gnome menu with programs in your top panel
[09:22] <dawnrazor73> yes, everthing allright, only wanna shar my impression.
[09:22] <dawnrazor73> e lost
[09:25] <dawnrazor73> vahe to rebbot..., by
[09:26] <Dr8g0n> lotuspsychje - great thanks.... well actually, not so great but still thanks! :D ;)
[09:27] <dawnrazor73> re
[09:28] <dawnrazor73> hi, classicmenue-indicator is installed and set as a favorite, but shows no apllications. This should just be a remark...
[09:30] <dawnrazor73> thx, for the information, sucess and good luck....
[09:30] <dawnrazor73> bye
 i just booted the beta release of lubuntu and i see this:
 is this new
 It is new for this release.
 umm. they added so many new languages:
 i can see a few changes here hopefully the performance is better too:
 theres new bar too:
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> lubuntu is based on lxqt now
 is it just me or the firefox logo is a bit warmer than before:
 ik its based on lxqt
 Hello, can I ask if this channel is just to show bugs or also can be used to make slight changes to the distro?
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> @surveyor3: this channel is for QA 20.04 testing, where devs & testers meet, share bugs
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> @surveyor3: as ubuntu user, you can help the community filing bugs (wishlists) too to improve ubuntu with a good idea
 I can tell 20.04 is slower than 19.10
 It's in a virtual machine so this might be the reason
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> @megatobg: slower where/how ?
 It feels slower than 19.10 on virtual machine
 But I like a few of the changes like bigger progress bar
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> @megatobg: install or overall system smoothness?
 Install
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> yeah install looked slower to me too
 lotuspsychje: to file a wishlist for Xubuntu is the same of filing a bug for Ubuntu?
 Intresting it failed:
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> @surveyor3: to file a bug to any flavour of ubuntu please use: ubuntu-bug packagename (from terminal)
 thank you!
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> @surveyor3: after you filed the bug, you can ask an admin to change it to wishlist
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> @surveyor3: also a good idea is to ask it first here, or in #xubuntu if your wish doesnt exist yet
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> @megatobg: the installer is also a bit slower now, due the built-in integrity checker
 Oh OK
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> @megatobg: if you didnt skip the test, time will increase
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> specialy on a Hdd spinner
 I downloaded the iso yesterday
 I have hdd
 On both of my laptops

[15:07] <lotuspsychje> @megatobg: yeah so, at logo boot, try F1 to textboot, then you will see ctrl+s to skip or not
 Ctrl + c
 It was saying that
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> sorry yeah
 I hope it works this time
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> if you dont skip, it will auto scan media
 I'm thinkink it's because I created /boot partition and maybe that's why
 why kind of enhancement/wishlist were you looking to suggest? (re @surveyor3: lotuspsychje: to file a wishlist for Xubuntu is the same of filing a bug for Ubuntu?)
 @philipz
 Some simple ones, like writing "menu" on the menu alongside the icon or using the shortcut "SUPER" to call the menu. Other more profound and controverse like considering to ditch Ristretto and use EyeOfMate or EyeOfGnome or gThumb. That's because Ristretto lacks on some really really basic features like being able to print the image you are visualizing.
 @philipz
 Some simple ones, like writing "Menu" on the menu alongside the icon or using the shortcut "SUPER" to call the menu. Other more profound and controverse like considering to ditch Ristretto and use EyeOfMate or EyeOfGnome or gThumb. That's because Ristretto lacks on some really really basic features like being able to print the image you are visualizing. (edited)
 Also changing the default grey wallper
 😅
 writing menu next to the menu icon isn't necessary these days, like it used to be. super to call the menu is something repeatedly suggested, but there is a bug in xorg that causes it not to be implemented. i was going to suggest the same of replacing ristretto with gthumb for the same reasons, but ristretto is an xfce component app. the grey wallpaper is only a placeholder while the
 Some simple ones, like writing "Menu" on the menu alongside the icon or using the shortcut "SUPER" to call the menu. Other more profound and controverse like considering to ditch Ristretto and use EyeOfMate or EyeOfGnome or gThumb. That's because Ristretto lacks on some really really basic features like being able to print the image you are visualizing.)
 here is the super key bug - https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7845
 Good, my main problem is especially with Ristretto
 oy. considering streaming UC development. Don't know if it's a video thats 'for kids' or not for 'kids' (YouTube). 🤔
 well i'd suggest you signup for the ML and email your suggestion for the replacement - https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel (re @surveyor3: Good, my main problem is especially with Ristretto)
 i just always put 'not for kids' (re @ItzSwirlz: oy. considering streaming UC development. Don't know if it's a video thats 'for kids' or not for 'kids' (YouTube). 🤔)
 better anyways (re @philipz: i just always put 'not for kids')
 it won't show up on yt kids then
 Not like it's an entertaining audience
 A bit O.T.
 Due to Coronavirus a lot of people are forced to use old, slow Windows laptop. So even though I don't use anymore on my computer Xfce I was looking for a distro simple enough to make it install to them without making many changes. So the Ristretto problem is not that ristretto, wich means little in italian (can't resist to this pun).  Also there are some people here that are sendi
 @surveyor3 yep we have people in the US and Canada donating laptops which Xubuntu gets installed on for kids staying at home, and that definitely is great.
 welcome @PhenoLand @fnaufel
 @philipz Hi! Where can I find a guide for beginner testers? I'm interested in the process of how to test ubuntu.
 you can check the ubuntu announcement here https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/testing-ubuntu-20-04-lts-official-ubuntu-flavors/14053
 sorry thats an older link
 here is the one https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-20-04-testing-week/15043
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> !bug
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> @PhenoLand: see also the bug procedure ^
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> @PhenoLand: its reccomended before filing bugs, to ask or search existing bugs, maybe the volunteers might already file one before you
 sudo apt install spotify not found
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> sudo snap install spotify
 It's available as a Snap. IIRC it can't be distributed in the main repos.
 I might get the Lumina ISO out by tuesday
 im trying to find anyone who has successfully set up an openvpn connection in 20.04 using the network manager? im still trying to ascertain if its a general bug, or unique to my setup
[21:52] <BloatHunter> Did you know gedit has 2000 undo operations by default?
[21:52] <BloatHunter> In 20.04
 I'd like to see the gedit/Kate editors get to be as powerful as VS Code. I'm all for being able to develop and publish using nothing but what the OS came with or what can be installed from the universe only.
[22:10] <BloatHunter> I'd like to see gedit get as powerful as ElementaryOS's editor at this point
[22:10] <BloatHunter> The bar isn't high.
[22:12] <BloatHunter> Gedit settings in 20.04 are infuriating. tab size 8 and not using spaces? Surely that's insane. The graphite default color scheme in 20.04 makes it so you can't even see the highlighted texted line text
 How does gedit compare with Kate? Kate is almost good enough, and I often open App.js files in folders other than the one I'm working on so I don't get confused. Kate zooms on hover on the mini-map, which is really cool and VS Code doesn't do that out of the box.
 Who here is itsfoss2 on Reddit?
[22:13] <BloatHunter> No auto save by default either.
[22:14] <BloatHunter> Kate is better but Qt is bloat by default unless you also run a browser that uses Qt
 I see. I'll have to see how well I can get 20.04 to work on old laptops.  I have an K-18.04-x86 USB plugged into it lol.
[22:17] <BloatHunter> 20.04 is 64bit
 Does anyone here have experience installing from a USB/DVD to a very fast USB 3.0 drive in order to boot around an embedded OS on eMMC? I want to boot my wife's Flex 11 to Ubuntu, but I don't want to touch the stock OS.
 Like I said, the old Dell had to go with 18.04-x86, but it works. (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <BloatHunter> 20.04 is 64bit)
[22:21] <BloatHunter> The energy usage of a P4 will eclipse the cost of an SBC or used thin client in a matter of months.
 There's absolutely no way around the tabs v spaces thing. Doesn't matter the default because no matter what, people will always choose the "wrong" one.
[22:44] <BloatHunter> there is, have a default with exceptions per language
[22:44] <BloatHunter> you don't want spaced in sh because of <<-
 Right, well the default doesn't particularly matter. It's not going to be consistent for every project/task or even user.
 What sounds sensible in regards to tabs v space for one person won't be the same for someone else. It's a setting that people will need or want to change no matter which is defaulted.
[22:46] <BloatHunter> X is hard, so lets make Y the worst of all possible options
 No, that's not it.
[22:46] <BloatHunter> No, i mean, for sh it is literally against the language conventions and features
 Okay and the assumption that everything done in Gedit is sh, right?
[22:47] <BloatHunter> Start with a breadcrumb before taking on the loaf
[22:47] <BloatHunter> No, but per language highlighting and coloring are already done
 Can we stay on topic, please?
[22:53] <BloatHunter> US timezones should auto trigger 12h clock
[22:54] <Eickmeyer> BloatHunter: This is the second time you've brought that up in the past 24 hours. Have you filed a bug report/feature request yet?
[22:54] <mouloud[m]> Hello, I found a security bug in 18.04, where should I report it?
[22:54] <Eickmeyer> mouloud[m]: Describe the bug, I'll tell you how to report it.
[22:55] <mouloud[m]> It allows to access the desktop of an user without password
[22:56] <Eickmeyer> mouloud[m]: How?
[22:57] <mouloud[m]> I will not tell you how
[22:57] <mouloud[m]> on this channel at least nor in private, I consider that rather a sensitive issue.
[22:57] <Eickmeyer> mouloud[m]: Then how are you going to tell anyone else?
[22:57] <mouloud[m]> Give me an legit email, I will explain
[22:58] <Eickmeyer> I'm not giving out my email randomly.
[22:58] <mouloud[m]> I am not giving hacks randomly
[22:58] <Eickmeyer> Ok. Join #ubuntu-hardened on freenode, that's where the security team is.
[22:58] <BloatHunter> Disable all the login auth options in gsettings from guest /s
[23:05] <BloatHunter> There's a certain irony here in the guy not giving you his email, mou. In order to file the bug you would have to give ubuntu / launchpad your email.
[23:07] <mouloud[m]> I am used to security mailling list with only trusted people in there
[23:07] <mouloud[m]> so far, I did not find such an email on ubuntu website, I filled the contact form, tho.
[23:08] <Eickmeyer> Then why did you come here?
[23:08] <BloatHunter> He's trying to improve the quality?
[23:08] <Eickmeyer> mouloud[m]: This is for testing collaboration.
[23:09] <mouloud[m]> I will test the daily, and report back.
[23:09] <BloatHunter> the other ones require registration...
[23:10] <Eickmeyer> mouloud[m]: Don't report bugs here. You can talk about issues here and where to go to report them, but this is not the place to report bugs.


[00:56] <guiverc> I'm still having issues with *live* groovy ISOs booting with muted sound... is it just me (& my historic boxes?)  [not just lubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu]


[12:05] <cyphase> hey everyone
[10:10] <whitesoft> Hello!
[10:10] <whitesoft> ubuntu is in da house! :D


[05:46] <didrocks> good morning
[05:55] <jibel> salut didrocks
[05:57] <didrocks> salut jibel
[05:58]  * didrocks reboots to test the nvidia patch revert
[06:20] <duflu> Salut didrocks, jibel and popey
[06:30] <didrocks> hey duflu, I merged your mutter patch removal. It all seems ok to me
[06:30] <didrocks> at least, I don't have that 100% CPU issue anymore I had before the patch
[06:34] <duflu> didrocks, yes, thanks. If you do get any 100% CPU bugs we can debug them and I'll fix them separately
[06:34] <duflu> Though last time that didn't work out :(
[06:38] <didrocks> yeah, remember I wanted for a month before this patch. Let's see this time…
[07:23] <marcustomlinson> greetings 🖖🏻
[07:28] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:28] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson, seb128
[07:28] <seb128> lut didrocks, en forme ?
[07:28] <marcustomlinson> 👋🏻
[07:28] <seb128> ready for some warm days at the computer? ;)
[07:28] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson
[07:30] <didrocks> ça va, et toi seb128
[07:30] <didrocks> yeah, will be challenging…
[07:33] <seb128> ça va :)
[07:37] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson and seb128
[07:37] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[07:38] <duflu> seb128, average I think. Not good or bad. How are you?
[07:38] <seb128> not fully awake yet, reading discourse over some coffee
[07:38] <seb128> seems Valve put fire on the internet with a tweet :-/
[07:39] <duflu> Yes
[07:40] <seb128> popey, thx for responding on those topic during the W.E, I know it's frustrating. Can't we simply delete posts like https://community.ubuntu.com/t/canonical-does-anything-please-stop-the-bullshit/11409 ?
[07:44] <duflu> I'm not sure deleting is ever a good move.  It's a difficult time and I'm being careful not to be accused of "censorship"
[08:29] <popey> 🔋
[08:29] <seb128> right
[08:29] <seb128> well I think it's fine to a least lock those down saying "please use the existing topic"
[08:30] <willcooke> seb128, well the internet seems to think the world is ending :)
[08:30] <popey> 😱
[08:31] <popey> Emoji for all occasions
[08:33] <pieq> willcooke, the *gaming* Internet :)
[08:37] <Wimpress> Morning desktopers o/
[08:37] <duflu> Hi Wimpress
[09:00] <seb128> hey Wimpress!
[10:21] <Trevinho> hey guyz...
[10:22]  * Trevinho celebrates monday with a big-merge approval :)
[10:25]  * Trevinho and... during the weekend fixed gcc attributes handling for mozjs linking issues :P, other than producing brick hoven cooked pizza :P
[10:26] <willcooke> morning Trevinho, how goes?
[10:26] <Trevinho> hi willcooke all good, you? :)
[10:27] <willcooke> fire fighting still :(
[10:27] <Trevinho> eh, I see...
[10:33] <duflu> Hi Trevinho
[10:33] <duflu> And bye...
[10:33] <Trevinho> hi duflu and good night/evening! :)
[10:36] <Laney> well done Trevinho
[10:38] <Laney> Trevinho: "Piadina - the Italian burrito", what do you think about this phrase?
[10:38]  * Laney just saw it on a sign here and thought of you
[13:58] <Laney> non262/Date/time-zones.js:41:5 Error: Assertion failed: got "Fri Jul 19 2002 16:10:55 GMT+0000", expected "Fri Jul 19 2002 16:10:55 GMT+0100"
[13:58] <Laney> FML mozjs60
[13:59] <didrocks> someone failed to set LC_TIME ;)
[13:59] <Laney> my environment sets $TZ
[13:59] <Laney> bet it's that
[14:00] <Laney> ': "${DEB_HOST_ARCH:=$(dpkg --print-architecture)}"'
[14:00] <Laney> what is this construct with the ':'?
[14:01] <Laney> I mean I know that : is 'true' - the whole line though, why would you do it like that?
[14:08] <Laney> maybe it just looks better than DEB_HOST_ARCH=${DEB_HOST_ARCH:-$(dpkg --print-architecture)}
[14:08] <didrocks> oh, good one
[14:08] <didrocks> yeah, that's maybe the reason
[14:11] <Laney> :>
[14:16] <GunnarHj> Where do applications to join the ubuntu-desktop team go? The wiki says the mailing list, but is possibly https://community.ubuntu.com/c/desktop a more suitable place these days?
[14:17] <seb128> GunnarHj, the mailing list is still there and I think that most people who have voting power for that topic should still be subscribed
[14:17] <seb128> we can discuss changing the process but that's orthogonal/no need for you to apply
[14:18] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, then I'll use the list.
[14:19] <seb128> Unsure of c.u.c would be better/if those are a topic interesting to the community/users, need to think a bit about it
[14:19] <seb128> it's rather a "technical" decision from the current group
[14:20] <GunnarHj> seb128: Reason I asked is that there is not much discussion on the list any longer. Mostly copies of bug comments and MPs.
[14:20] <Laney> it'd be OK to move those to the team updates section probably
[14:20] <Laney> BUT the big problem with that is that prospective members won't be able to post there
[14:20] <Laney> /o\
[14:21] <seb128> GunnarHj, yeah, well that's not a topic where we need input from the community
[14:22] <seb128> so less visibility is not especially a negative
[14:22] <Laney> dunno about that, it's nice to show off new contributors
[14:22] <seb128> also some applicants might be shy/not want to risk being -1ed on a visible website
[14:23] <seb128> but yeah, it has pros &nd cons...
[14:23]  * seb128 has no strong opinion either way atm
[14:23] <GunnarHj> seb128: Probably true. ( Or not. Somebody in the community may think that I suck. Might or might not be relevant input. ;) )
[14:28] <Trevinho> hi seb128 and Laney :)
[14:30] <seb128> hey Trevinho, how are you?
[14:30] <Laney> Lagvinho
[14:30] <Trevinho> hi seb128 all good :)
[14:30] <seb128> Trevinho, ready to melt?
[14:31] <seb128> it's going to be hot this week, I see even more for you
[14:31] <seb128> or are you escaping to the see coast? ;)
[14:31] <Trevinho> lost into debuggint the SRU crash increase as it looks like I can recreate it, just that is quite complicated to see what's going the dock.. :(
[14:31] <Trevinho> seb128: well, so far isn't too bad
[14:32] <Trevinho> the fact of advancing the summer in central america first, worked in getting used to this :)
[14:32] <seb128> :)
[14:35] <Trevinho> Laney: you saw my last week's ping on debian-gnome, right? (however I'm pretty sure you're busy enough)
[14:35] <Laney> yes I'm going to review stuff
[14:36] <Laney> looking at mozjs at the minute actually
[14:37] <Trevinho> Laney: thanks :)
[14:39] <Trevinho> Laney: also about the Piadina... :_(... One word to destroy them both :(.
[14:39] <Trevinho> not sure why my weechat didn't get that message though, I got it only as phone one :o
[14:39] <Trevinho> thus the delay :
[14:39] <Laney> content filter
[14:39] <Laney> it knew that this was harmful content
[14:40] <Trevinho> might be
[14:40] <Laney> maybe I'll get one and see if it's good
[14:56] <Laney> ahhhhh FML²
[15:03] <Laney> (the timezone thing is because tzdata isn't installed in sbuild chroots any more)


[00:08] <crimsun> siretart: apologies, I've had an admin clear it
[00:27] <aquarius> How does Add/Remove Programs know where on the menus an application has just been installed? Is it just watching the .desktop files cache?
[00:28] <aquarius> (not sure if this counts as an "application development *on* Ubuntu" question...)
[00:31] <pwnguin> aquarius: i dont think it does. it knows whats installed and somehow knows where they usually go
[00:31] <pwnguin> maybe debtags, maybe from scanning the .desktops from the packages
[00:34] <IntuitiveNipple> There's a .menu file for Gnome
[00:37] <aquarius> aha, gnome-app-install is Python. that makes my life easier :)
[00:38] <Fujitsu> aquarius: gnome-app-install gets all of its information from .desktops. That's where it gets the list of applications, so it probably works out the path from there too.
[00:46] <aquarius> ah. gnome-app-install has a pre-existing cache of .desktop files for apps that aren't installed. :(
[00:47] <Fujitsu> aquarius: How else would it know they existed?
[00:48] <aquarius> Fujitsu: yeah, that's fine for gnome-app-install, no problem, it just doesn't help me with what I'm trying to do, which is work out, for a given arbitrary .deb file, what its .desktop file is after it's installed...
[00:49] <Fujitsu> aquarius: dpkg -L package | grep desktop$
[00:49] <aquarius> yeah, that's what I'm debating doing now...
[00:51] <RAOF> apt-file search *.desktop?
[00:51] <RAOF> (For the reciprocal problem)
[00:54] <IntuitiveNipple> aquarius: In the .desktop file that comes with the package, and is installed to /usr/share/applications/ , the "Categories=Application;XXXXX" sets the location in the menus. you also need "Type=Application"
[00:55] <Fujitsu> IntuitiveNipple: Except that the Application category has been deprecated for years.
[00:56] <aquarius> tilda.desktop, say, has "Categories=GNOME;GTK;Application;Utility;TerminalEmulator;"; does it end up only in Applications on the main menu because that's the only one that exists, and there's no "Utility" or "TerminalEmulator" submenu on the Applications menu?
[00:56] <Fujitsu> `Utility' should translate to `Accessories', I believe.
[00:56] <Fujitsu> And that .desktop is broken.
[00:57] <aquarius> erm. I meant Accessories, sorry, yes :)
[00:57] <aquarius> so there's a lookup list somewhere which says "Category:Utility" == "Accessories menu"?
[00:57] <Fujitsu> Utility becomes Accessories in GNOME, yeah.
[00:59] <aquarius> If I wanted to build an "Applications" folder which reflected the structure of the menu (so submenus become subfolders)...has someone already done this? If not, is there a .desktop file cache somewhere I can read, or do I need to parse all the .desktop files myself?
[01:10] <IntuitiveNipple> aquarius: Parse /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu for the <Category>...</Category> tags (use the <Directory/> tag for the display name
[01:10] <IntuitiveNipple> aquarius: sorry... my brain is dead ... use the <Name/> tag for the display name
[01:11] <aquarius> erm...that file just defines the names of the submenus?
[01:11] <aquarius> it doesn't define what's in them
[01:12] <IntuitiveNipple> It defines the categories. They are parsed by gnome-menus and then it uses those when it reads the .desktop files to work out where to put the application entries in the tree
[01:13] <aquarius> oh, right, gotcha.
[01:13] <aquarius> so if I want to duplicate the structure I need to parse all the .desktop files myself, dividng them up according to applications.menu -- there's no handy cache anywhere? darn :_
[01:13] <aquarius> :)
[01:14] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm not sure if there is a cache, I believe it rescans each time it starts but I could be wrong, it isn't an area I have looked into much aside form working out how to get my packaged apps into the menus
[03:45] <rockets> silly question. why is it that we have firefox, not iceweasel, but we have iceape, not seamonkey
[04:17] <Hobbsee> wb, elkbuntu
[04:17] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, is the network still being epileptic?
[04:17] <StevenK> We'll see


[12:59] <xivulon> hi thorwill
[12:59] <xivulon> wanted to thank you "in person" for the logo and artwork
[13:00] <xivulon> I am really pleased with tham :)
[13:00] <xivulon> s/tham/them/
[13:01] <thorwil> xivulon: you're welcome :D
[13:05] <xivulon> If you have other ideas on the web/app design, just ping me
[13:06] <thorwil> will do in that case :)
[14:39] <robsta> hi
[14:39] <robsta> may i ask what Project Kyūdō is, like, in one sentence?
[14:43] <kwwii> it is an attempt at optimizing the artwork process with the intent of thereby creating pretty things :-)
[14:43] <kwwii> thorwil can probably offer a better answer
[14:44] <robsta> you mean so that ubuntu will no more be the distro with the ugliest default looks of the big 3? :P
[14:44]  * robsta ducks
[14:46] <robsta> just kidding
[15:08]  * thorwil is reasonably satisfied with the one sentence answer
[15:09] <robsta> so it's a process, not a style
[15:09] <thorwil> correct
[15:09]  * robsta was looking for mockups
[15:11] <thorwil> robsta: a bit farther down the road kyudo could benefit from technical expertise, not to forget implementors ;)
[15:11] <thorwil> robsta: are you subscribed to the ubuntu-art list?
[15:11] <robsta> no, but i'm reading the archives every now and then
[15:12] <robsta> anyway, not following what you mean by the above statement
[15:13] <thorwil> robsta: we have very few artists, even fewer people who actually touched a theme and virtually no coders here
[15:14] <robsta> i'd be happy to work with you in areas where our interests intersect
[15:15] <thorwil> it's not always clear what is technically possible, what could become possible in reasonable time or what belongs into dreamland :)
[15:15] <thorwil> robsta: cool :)
[15:16] <robsta> if you have technical questions just post to gnome-themes-list, that's what it's for
[15:21] <robsta> (or stop by in #gnome-art, where dreams are turned into nightmar^H^H^H reality)
[15:54] <kwwii> if anyone has my ppa in their sources.list check the community-themes package that is coming down the pipes soon and let me know how it works
[15:54] <kwwii> specificaly, the dust theme
[15:55] <robsta> hey kwwii
[15:57] <kwwii> hi robsta
[15:58] <robsta> kwwii: fyi, good progress here, you can start designing themes
[15:58] <thorwil> robsta: so, what are your interests, actually? :)
[15:59] <robsta> thorwil: css theming for gtk
[16:00] <kwwii> robsta: cool, I'll get the latest stuff and check it out
[16:00] <thorwil> robsta: but that surely is a means to a goal?
[16:00] <kwwii> for now I am getting a falafel ;-)
[16:00] <robsta> kwwii: just not yet, but you can start _designing_
[16:01] <kwwii> hehe
[16:01] <kwwii> I have quite a bit of design ready
[16:01] <robsta> kwwii, awesome
[16:02] <robsta> thorwil, i'm not a designer, so the best i can do is giving them the means to reach the goal
[16:03] <thorwil> robsta: so part of your motivation is a feeling that current offerings are not good enough?
[16:03] <robsta> yes
[16:04] <thorwil> good :)
[16:07] <thorwil> robsta: i have been working on other stuff and need to get back to kyudo. part of what i'm planning is a call for per-widget mockups. per-widget to free the mind from having an eye on consistency right away
[16:08] <thorwil> of course, so far i failed at getting anyone to contribute anything, with the exception of a bit of input on the text :}
[16:12] <robsta> it's very hard to judge a theme from per-widget mockus
[16:12] <thorwil> there is no theme with per-widget mockups ;)
[17:41] <thorwil> ooh, nubuntu has an awesome logo: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/19437980/nubuntu_devel_192x192.png
[17:41] <thorwil> it features lock-heads!
[17:49] <thorwil> nand: hi! do you already know http://jldugger.livejournal.com/21851.html ?
[17:50] <nand> thorwil: thanks, I have indeed answered on the comments
[17:50] <nand> I gave a sample of votes, but I'm quite skeptic at the expected results...
[23:16] <ethana2> I suppose this may be a tad offtopic...  but anyone in here use any wacom products?
[23:17] <ethana2> ...the bamboo is looking tempting, but I don't know if it's actually as easy/fun to use as it looks
[23:17] <ethana2> I don't want to blow $80 on something that's not fairly amazing to use
[23:33] <ethana2> ah, digipro
[23:34] <ethana2> It'd be nice to get the drivers for this into jaunty..