[00:23] <JMichaelX> 2nd machine seems to have upgraded smoothly, as well :-)
[01:18] <chachan> I have a laptop with a connected monitor. It turns out that my skype notifications are appering in the monitor which is not the primary output, any idea how to change this behavior?
[01:22] <chachan> brb
[01:38] <mylar> Is lsb_release -i supposed to return Ubuntu or Kubuntu in 13.10? I think it is causing some problems with UEFI booting.
[01:55] <valorie> mylar: mine says ubuntu, and i'm kub all the way
[01:56] <SunTsu> mylar: 13.04 also says Ubuntu
[02:01] <mylar> grub won't boot unless i copy the /boot/efi/EFI/kubuntu to /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu
[02:03] <mylar> or manually run configfile with the kubuntu path at the crash prompt
[02:06] <SunTsu> mylar: looks like that's new, I don't have /boot/efi on 13.04
[02:09] <mylar> I installed it in UEFI mode so it creates a ~500MB fat32 partition mounted on /boot/efi
[02:14] <bill_vbc> anyone know what the issue is with touchpads on kubuntu 13.10?
[02:18] <skreech__> bill_vbc: A bit more info?
[02:23] <bill_vbc> just upgraded and rebooted and touch pad functionality is missing like two fingers to scroll, tap and drag etc.
[02:24] <bill_vbc> very little info on the web....
[02:24] <skreech__> Hmm
[02:24] <skreech__> Synaptic is working?
[02:24] <bill_vbc> most I saw was something that looked like a bug filed on ubuntu regarding synaptic and some driver
[02:25] <bill_vbc> I as assume I should see synaptic in ps... just a sec
[02:26] <bill_vbc> yeah, its running
[02:27] <skreech__> I'm seeing bugs filed against the touchpad
[02:28] <bill_vbc> yeah... one says the guy won't be able to get to it till Nov 1
[02:29] <bill_vbc> I guess I'll plug in a mouse... too much stuff on here to do a reinstall...
[02:29] <bill_vbc> hopefully they get to it
[02:29] <bill_vbc> was working fine in 113.04
[02:29] <bill_vbc> 13.04
[02:29] <bill_vbc> sigh
[02:29] <bill_vbc> Must advise not to use 13.10 on a laptop till someone can fix this
[02:30] <bill_vbc> have a happy friday night
[02:30] <bill_vbc> bye
[03:17] <valorie> hmmm, I'm having no problem with touchpads in 13.10, on 3 different laptops
[03:57] <Kalidarn> hmm, is there an issue with nvidia and kernel 3.11 at the moment?
[03:58] <Kalidarn> jockey can't seem to find any drivers compatible with the kernel
[04:47] <beata-jake> join #bipolar
[05:01] <odel> so, anong balita?
[05:17] <Daskreech> !tl
[05:17] <Daskreech> Anong
[06:17] <apb_> so I just installed a package with apt-get install .... but it doesn't show up on the K menu... how do I make packages show up - hopefully without logging out??
[06:22] <odel> make a shortcut?
[06:22] <odel> find the command line equivalent and make a shortcut of it?
[06:31] <F41L> Heyo, having some issues with Kubuntu with 13.10. Firstly, I had updated my box to the beta 2 release a few days ago and subsequently lost everything except my cursor. Black background, no other discernable UI, no login screen. I ran recovery mode and fixed packages. I selected resume startup and it did so normally. Made it to desktop, everything looked dandy. So I rebooted and was faced again <c>
[06:31] <F41L> with the same issue. So I've got a 13.10 actual release DVD I just made to try and install fresh, it displays the same issue with the installer. Except there is randomly colored pixels across the screeen. I hit Alt + F4 and it brought up what appeared to be a perfectly functioning KDE window decoration, but the contents of the window were the same strange garbled pixels. I am running with dual <c>
[06:31] <F41L> Radeon 7950s in crossfire configuration. <e>
[06:34] <dwreck> So I just installed Ubuntu after having issues with Fedora and the I am having the same problem.  I can't access certain secure websites.  Gmail, facebook. Amazon, etc... Has anyone ever experienced this before?
[06:35] <F41L> Secure websites, so HTTPS, how is your clock settings, the date/time?
[06:35] <dwreck> set by the internet
[06:35] <F41L> Also, your might want to check your router to see if it is doing "SSL Inspection"
[06:36] <dwreck> I can check the router.  My windows machines and phones aren't having any issues with the routers though
[06:36] <F41L> What is the error in question it presents? Anything involving the certificate at all?
[06:37] <dwreck> no error comes up. For example, I can go to amazon.com but when I go to log in the page just won't load
[06:38] <dwreck> pretty much anything I have to log into doesn't work
[06:38] <F41L> That's curious. So doesn't load at all, what web browser?
[06:38] <dwreck> firefox
[06:38] <F41L> tried Lynx?
[06:38] <dwreck> I tried chrome before with the same issue
[06:38] <dwreck> I have not
[06:38] <F41L> It's command line, so... *shrug*
[06:39] <F41L> might be worth a shot, I'm pretty clueless as to how that'd be happenning. Lest your OpenSSL is borked or something.
[06:39] <dwreck> yeah, it's pretty  frustrating
[06:41] <Jonathan____> Hello all, I just installed Kubuntu on top of my windows 8, but when I reboot, it loads straight to windows, instead of giving me the option to choose which operating system I want to load, can some one please help???
[06:46] <Daskreech> !grub
[06:46] <Daskreech> Jonathan____: ^^^
[06:53] <Jonathan____> im here
[06:56] <F41L> !radeon
[07:01] <Jonathan____> can someone please help me???
[07:05] <Jonathan____> hellooooooo, can someone help me????
[07:05] <F41L> Jonathan____, the person above suggested this:
[07:05] <F41L> !grub
[07:05] <Jonathan____> that doesnt tell me any thing
[07:05] <F41L> Not quite sure, sorry.
[07:06] <F41L> I've got to go, however.
[07:06] <Jonathan____> i did not loose anything
[07:06] <Jonathan____> its a fresh install
[07:07] <Jonathan____> all I need to know is how to make it give me the option to choose which os I want to load!
[07:13] <valorie> Jonathan____: did you look at the !grub info?
[07:13] <valorie> !grub
[07:13] <valorie> it sounds like you might need to repair or restore grub
[07:14] <Jonathan____> that doesnt tell me anything, if you can not tell me what to do then please do not respond
[07:14] <Jonathan____> I am new to this
[07:14] <Jonathan____> i dont know what that means
[07:17] <Jonathan____> u have on there "Lost GRUB after installing windows", it was not after installing windows
[07:17] <Jonathan____> windows was already installed, then I installed Kubuntu
[07:18] <Jonathan____> but it just loads to windows
[07:18] <Jonathan____> If i knew what that other stuff meant, I wouldnt be on here asking for help
[07:18] <Jonathan____> I don't understand why it is so hard to find help on here
[07:19] <Jonathan____> if i want to read something I dont understand, I would just pick up a book on the chineese language
[07:20] <Depa> Hi guys :) I have a question for you
[07:20] <Depa> I installed Kubuntu LTS 12.04
[07:20] <Depa> How I can enable root login???
[07:20] <Jonathan____> there not going to help you, there just going to ignore you or give you useless information!
[07:20] <tsimpson> Depa: you don't need to
[07:21] <Jonathan____> see
[07:21] <Depa> Jonathan____: why?
[07:21] <tsimpson> Depa: use "sudo <command>" to run a command as root, or "sudo -i" to give you a root shell
[07:21] <valorie> the second link, Jonathan____
[07:21] <valorie> Depa: you should run as root only rarely
[07:22] <Depa> yes I know....
[07:22] <valorie> such as when installing new software, etc.
[07:22] <Depa> but I want to access with root
[07:22] <Depa> I found
[07:22] <valorie> access what?
[07:22] <Depa> that command:
[07:22] <Depa> "sudo passwd -u root"
[07:22] <Depa> in order to set a password to ROOT account
[07:22] <valorie> ah
[07:23] <Depa> and access with it
[07:23] <valorie> we recommend using sudo instead
[07:23] <F41L> OK... so I'm booting into 13.10, but ONLY able to do so with kernel 13.8
[07:23] <tsimpson> Depa: there no point in enabling the root account, you already have root access via sudo
[07:23] <lordievader> Depa: True, you can enable the root account, however it is not recommended.
[07:23] <valorie> !sudo
[07:23] <F41L> 3.8**
[07:24] <Depa> I know what sudo is and that it is better
[07:24] <F41L> Not sure why or how... but everything just locks up on kernel 3.11, including the installation disc. It seems to be related to my graphics cards.
[07:24] <F41L> Best I could tell, at least. Given the symptoms displayed by the installation disc.
[07:25] <Depa> but I need to use "su -" and enter with ROOT
[07:25] <tsimpson> Depa: you don't, just "sudo -i"
[07:25] <Depa> ok, "sudo -i" to open a # terminal
[07:25] <lordievader> Depa: What do you want to do that requires the root account?
[07:26] <Depa> is not for me...
[07:26] <Depa> Is for my customer
[07:26] <Depa> I use sudo XD
[07:27] <Jonathan____> #ubuntu
[07:27] <Depa> but my customer want Kubuntu 12.04
[07:27] <valorie> many people do choose the LTS
[07:27] <valorie> understandable
[07:27] <lordievader> Depa: Then tell your customer to use sudo ;)
[07:27] <Depa> please...
[07:27] <Depa> :'(
[07:27] <Depa> I told him to use sudo
[07:28] <Depa> but he have to do a lot of command with root account
[07:28] <Depa> and want to enable that possibility....
[07:28] <valorie> when I first switched to kubuntu, I also wanted root
[07:28] <F41L> Anyone have an idea about what I can do to get my system booting on 3.11? Not even the 13.10 install disc for kubuntu is working quite right.
[07:28] <tsimpson> Depa: and why won't "sudo -i" work for that?
[07:28] <Guest40043> Is Mir shipped with 13.10?
[07:29] <valorie> Guest40043: not in Kubuntu
[07:29] <Guest40043> Hmmmmm why is that?
[07:29] <valorie> wayland isn't ready yet either
[07:29] <Depa> tsimpson: with "sudo -i" I get a root shell, right?
[07:29] <tsimpson> Depa: yes, exactly the same as if you did "su -"
[07:29] <lordievader> Depa: Or do what tsimpson said, that is what I do for a root shell.
[07:29] <Weasel[DK]> Now why is it that sofware management still does not have place/shortcut in "System settings" ?
[07:29] <valorie> kwin is our window manager, and they will use wayland, not mir
[07:29] <Depa> ok... and is not possible to use "su"
[07:30] <Depa> ?
[07:30] <lordievader> Depa: sudo su, should do the trick too.
[07:30] <Jonathan____> wow, how come I couldnt get this type of fucking help?
[07:30] <tsimpson> Depa: by default the root account is disabled, so you can't directly login as root (which is what su does)
[07:30] <Guest40043> Doesn't Mir replace X Window System?
[07:30] <valorie> Jonathan____: I gave you the links you need-- please look at the second one
[07:30] <Guest40043> Which Kevin used before?
[07:30] <Depa> ok
[07:31] <Depa> I understand
[07:31] <Depa> thanks...
[07:31] <Weasel[DK]> EF
[07:31] <Jonathan____> how many times do I have to tell you i can not make heads or tails out of that
[07:31] <valorie> Guest40043: not yet, and unknown whether it ever will on the desktop
[07:31] <Depa> so ROOT never can set hisown password
[07:31] <Depa> XD
[07:31] <valorie> Jonathan____: can you ask about what you don't understand?
[07:31] <Depa> only "user" password will be answered
[07:32] <Depa> request*
[07:32] <tsimpson> Depa: you can, it's just not needed and only lessens system security
[07:32] <Jonathan____> I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW TO MAKE MY BOOTLOADER GIVE ME THE OPTION TO CHOOSE WHICH OPERATING SYSTEM I WANT TO LOAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:32] <tsimpson> which is why we don't recommend it
[07:32] <Depa> tsimpson: ok... I understand...
[07:32] <Guest40043> valorie: I understood it's going to be shipped as one of the bigger changes in 13.10 only limited support to nouveau driver
[07:32] <IdleOne> Jonathan____: tone down the caps and the attitude now please
[07:32] <Depa> guys, thanks a lot :)
[07:33] <Depa> I will try to explain to my customer :)
[07:33] <valorie> Guest40043: we don't plan to ship Mir
[07:33] <Depa> really thanks
[07:33] <valorie> that could change in the future
[07:33] <valorie> for now, we're going with what works
[07:33] <Jonathan____> I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW TO MAKE MY BOOTLOADER GIVE ME THE OPTION TO CHOOSE WHICH OPERATING SYSTEM I WANT TO LOAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:33] <valorie> thanks, IdleOne
[07:34] <Guest40043> valorie: Ok. Is there a reason why?
[07:34] <valorie> Guest40043: we keep testing
[07:34] <F41L> Anyone have an idea on the issues I'm having with 3.11 kernel with my radeon cards?
[07:34] <Jonathan____> I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW TO MAKE MY BOOTLOADER GIVE ME THE OPTION TO CHOOSE WHICH OPERATING SYSTEM I WANT TO LOAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:34] <lordievader> Depa: Good luck explaining this to your client ;)
[07:35] <Guest40043> valorie: Ok good. So it will probably ship sometime in the future in kubuntu as well?
[07:36] <valorie> we doubt it, but stranger things have happened
[07:36] <valorie> the kwin devels have looked at the code, and chosen wayland
[07:36] <valorie> of course no one can predict the future
[07:37] <valorie> kwin is the KDE window manager, so that is their wheelhouse
[07:37] <Guest40043> Ok than :) not very ubuntuish though ;)
[07:37] <valorie> not really our choice or not
[07:37] <valorie> mir is focussed on devices
[07:37] <valorie> not desktops
[07:38] <valorie> kubuntu active wasn't released this time around
[07:38] <F41L> Rest of everyone else seems to be sticking with wayland.
[07:38] <valorie> sure
[07:38] <valorie> they are crafting mir for their own needs
[07:38] <valorie> phone/tablet/tv etc.
[07:39] <Guest40043> valorie: I know. But could be a good replacement non the less
[07:39] <valorie> if it becomes better, I'm sure that the kwin devels will switch
[07:39] <F41L> valorie: any reason why the kubuntu 13.10 install disc would have backgrounds and window contents with random colored pixels all about on a black background, but the boarders of windows look like normal, working KDE?
[07:40] <valorie> this isn't political
[07:40] <valorie> F41L: sounds like the driver for your graphics card
[07:40] <valorie> !radeon
[07:40] <F41L> what I was thinking.
[07:40] <Guest40043> That's good to know :)
[07:40] <valorie> did that link help before?
[07:40] <F41L> cept it's the install disc.
[07:40] <F41L> No
[07:40] <valorie> :(
[07:40] <F41L> It seems to be with kernel 3.11
[07:41] <F41L> when I boot to 3.8, works well enough
[07:41] <F41L> I didn't even have AMD drivers installed.
[07:41] <valorie> well, the #ubuntu-kernel folks are really helpful
[07:41] <F41L> I'll give 'em a shot.
[07:41] <F41L> Cause it's not even relegated to graphics
[07:41] <valorie> this isn't really a KDE issue, sounds like
[07:41] <F41L> recovery mode using 3.11 kernel also hangs
[07:42] <F41L> which is all text
[07:51] <F41L> Almost considering just falling back to 13.04 :(
[07:51] <F41L> I want to enjoy the speed benefits of 13.10, but it just hates my system.
[07:54] <valorie> no help from the kernel guys?
[07:54] <valorie> :(
[07:54] <ikonia> F41L: what speed benifits of 13.10 ?
[07:55] <F41L> I've read a lot about how 13.10 introduces a lot of performance enhancements.
[07:55] <ikonia> F41L: where ?
[07:55] <F41L> I was eagar to give them a try.
[07:55] <ikonia> in what way does it give performance improvements ?
[07:55] <F41L> Linux Action Show did a review on it as well.
[07:55] <F41L> I don't know as I can't experience it given my issues :D
[07:55] <F41L> I can't even get the install DVD to run properly.
[07:56] <ikonia> why don't you just explain your issue clearly.
[07:56] <F41L> I did quite a few times.
[07:56] <ikonia> then as I didn't see it, I can't help you.
[07:57] <F41L> the desktop environment refuses to run when trying to run 3.11 kernel.
[07:57] <F41L> It also hangs in recovery mode with that kernel.
[07:57] <ikonia> F41L: the install CD only comes with 1 kernel, so how do you know it's a kernel problem
[07:57] <F41L> My system has 3.8 still installed
[07:57] <ikonia> the installer does not use that kernel
[07:57] <ikonia> so you have no idea if its a kernel problem
[07:57] <F41L> I did the upgrade to 13.10 using command line.
[07:58] <F41L> I assumed it did, giving that 13.10 installs 3.11 kernel. I don't know for sure. But my system has 3.11 and 3.8
[07:58] <ikonia> could you please define "refuses to run"
[07:58] <F41L> black screen, mouse cursor works for a small while then locks up entirely.
[07:59] <F41L> in the installation CD, black screen with randomly colored pixels all over the screen.
[07:59] <ikonia> ok, so when the machine locks up totally, if you press the capslock key, does the capslock light go on/off
[07:59] <F41L> However, when hitting alt+f4, it brings up a window prompting if I want to exit the installation. The window boarder looks perfectly normal, but the rectangle containing the contents of the window are black background with randomly colored pixels
[08:00] <F41L> in recovery mode, shortly after loading the menu to select what to do, (this is with 3.11 kernel), it will lock up without any response.
[08:00] <F41L> all except CTRL+ALT+DEL
[08:01] <ikonia> so that's not actually locking up then
[08:01] <F41L> which brings up a message about being unable to communicate with the bus or something to that effect
[08:01] <F41L> I forget the exact wording
[08:02] <ikonia> so you've tried actually installing with the fail safe graphics option ?
[08:02] <F41L> "Unable to connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus"
[08:02] <ikonia> F41L: do you have any USB devices plugged in ?
[08:03] <F41L> I don't know how to do the fail safe graphics option, when I boot to the CD and am presented with this black screen with only a cursor.
[08:03] <F41L> I do, keyboard, mouse.
[08:03] <ikonia> F41L: no you not get a boot menu
[08:03] <ikonia> eg: try kubuntu, install kubuntu wording to that effect
[08:03] <ikonia> options to boot memtest
[08:03] <F41L> I don't get that far
[08:03] <ikonia> at that point the kernel has not been booted
[08:04] <ikonia> it's not a kernel problem
[08:04] <ikonia> the boot menu comes from isolinux
[08:04] <F41L> Or at least, it gets that far, but the screen is black with randomly colored pixels, and a perfectly fine looking KDE mouse cursor
[08:04] <ikonia> sorry, that can't be right, as isolinux doesn't have mouse support and there is no X11 running to display a mouse cursor
[08:05] <F41L> the window boarders for dialogs I'm able to make pop up are perfectly fine looking KDE window decorations, with black, random colored pixels as the contents of the window rectangle.
[08:05] <ikonia> you need to step back and take action before it boots
[08:05] <F41L> That's what I get when I boot to the Kubuntu installation DVD, I see the little keyboard, equals sign, human figure with a circle.
[08:05] <F41L> Then the black screen with graphical anomalies
[08:06] <lordievader> F41L: Could you perhaps make a photo or something?
[08:06] <lordievader> As the saying goes a photo says a thousand words.
[08:06] <F41L> Yeah, I can do that. I'd have to reboot however, I'm on the machine currently. (3.8 kernel)
[08:07] <ikonia> it seems very odd that you don't get the isolinux boot menu
[08:07] <F41L> don't ask me, man :D
[08:07] <F41L> Just telling it as I observe it.
[08:07] <F41L> be back soonish
[08:07] <ikonia> F41L: one moment
[08:08] <ikonia> F41L: just to clarify , you ARE booting from the DVD install media, correct ?
[08:17] <F41L> Alright, got the pictures, lemme upload 'em
[08:21] <lordievader> F41L: !paste
[08:25] <lordievader> !paste
[08:25] <lordievader> F41L: ^ that was what I ment.
[08:27] <F41L> ikonia: yes, booting to dvd install media.
[08:27] <F41L> http://imgur.com/a/PlCsQ
[08:31] <F41L> that help at all ikonia?
[08:32] <lordievader> That looks like isolinux to me.
[08:33] <F41L> with the KDE window decorations and everything?
[08:34] <Unit193> Second screen is plymouth, it's past isolinux.  Only first is isolinux.
[08:35] <F41L> No idear :(
[08:35] <F41L> But don't know what to do, basically can't install 13.10 on this system with this issue.
[08:35] <F41L> Gonna have to chill with 13.04
[08:36] <F41L> (well.. reinstall 13.04, cause right now I'm limping along with 13.10 using <IP_ADDRESS> kernel
[08:37] <F41L> That or see how Manjaro is doing
[08:37]  * F41L shrug
[08:37] <lordievader> Ah wait, nvm. Didn't realize there was more than one image...
[08:37] <F41L> lol
[08:40]  * F41L lesigh
[08:40] <F41L> my stupid core2 duo box at work installed 13.10 like no issue.
[08:41] <F41L> this far superior machine, falls on it's face
[08:43] <F41L> Well it's quite late, I'll try again tomorrow
[08:44] <lordievader> I'm starting to wonder if it is UEFI...
[08:49] <rebecca> Hello! I have problems to authorize my kobo touch an adobe digital editions, is anybody out there who could help me? :(
[08:58] <hackndoes_> valorie: Hi again. sorry for nagging :) (was a guest before) but which windowing server is used in 13.10 ? as the client uses wayland right?
[08:58] <Unit193> hackndoes_: Xorg.
[08:59] <hackndoes_> so still the x server ....
[08:59] <hackndoes_> kubuntu don't wanna update the server to mir?
[09:00] <hackndoes_> I have another question. when I am using nouveau driver instead of the nvidia propriatary I can't send my pc to sleep. when I wake it up, it doens't response to keyboard events mouse etc.
[09:00] <hackndoes_> it wakes up frozen
[09:00] <lordievader> hackndoes_: Kwin doesn't support (X)Mir.
[09:46] <chachan> hey, how things are going with the upgrade?
[09:48] <lordievader> chachan: With what upgrade, if I may ask?
[09:48] <chachan> upgrade to 13.10
[09:48] <chachan> lordievader, ^
[09:49] <lordievader> chachan: Heard that the upgrade went well for quite a bit of people. Saucy is stable anyhow ^^
[09:50] <chachan> glad to hear so
[09:50] <lordievader> chachan: You can allways try out a live-cd/usb to see if/how it works on your pc.
[09:51] <chachan> sure, I already upgraded. Just curious about everybody else :)
[09:52] <lordievader> chachan: Ah I see, for me it has been running stable for months ;)
[09:52] <chachan> lordievader, saucy?
[09:52] <wissam> Hi , how to run 32 bit executable in ubuntu 13.10 64 bit if ia32-libs isn't in repos ?
[09:52] <lordievader> chachan: Yes.
[09:52] <chachan> lordievader, that's cool
[09:53] <chachan> wissam, I think you need to enable i386 architecture to be able to install i386 packages
[09:54] <wissam> chachan: how to enble it ?
[09:54] <chachan> wissam, sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 # this worked for me, then do something like: apt-get install vim:i386
[09:55] <wissam> chachan: ok thnx
[09:57] <wissam> i have a problem in kubutu 13.10 and was in 13.04,when copying a directory contains a lot of files to usb system completely freezes
[09:57] <wissam> usb drive is fat32
[09:58] <wissam> i tried booting with acpi=th,noacpi,noapic,acpi=noirq none of them worked
[09:59] <wissam> booting with acpi=off solve the problem but i can't boot without acpi becasue i am using a laptop
[10:00] <wissam> in dmesg there is something like this :[   14.536482] ACPI Warning: 0x0000000000000428-0x000000000000042f SystemIO conflicts with Region \PMIO 1 (20130517/utaddress-251)
[10:00] <chachan> wissam, did you try with a different USB drive?
[10:00] <wissam> yes
[10:00] <chachan> I guess it's the same result
[10:02] <wissam> the only solution(untile now maybe laptop will freeze later) was to remount usb in async mode : "mount -o remount,async /dev/sdb1"
[10:04] <wissam> sometimes laptop freezes when unplugging charger at random times maybe when watching a video or after enabling and disabling wireless in network manager
[10:07] <wissam> i tried updating bios but that didn't help
[10:09] <chachan> wissam, did you see this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/500069
[10:10] <chachan> since it's an old bug. Looks like is not solved yet :(
[10:10] <wissam> :(
[10:12] <chachan> wissam, but take a look at it, there's a couple of solutions that some guys did and worked for them. You might be lucky
[10:12] <wissam> ok how to remount every usb plugged in automatically in async mode so that i don't have to write this command every time usb is plugged in "mount -o remount,async /dev/sdb1"
[10:21] <wissam> if it's an old bug ,is it really hard to solve this kind of bugs? i am just asking ,why is it hard to solve this kind of bugs?
[10:58] <chachan> wissam, looks like they haven't been able to reproduce the error
[10:58] <chachan> wissam, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB
[10:59] <chachan> wissam, check the "USB 2 Issues" and "Buffer I/O Errors" sections
[11:14] <wissam> chachan:thank you very much  i'll reboot and try it
[11:44] <Guest87913> hello!
[12:20] <cornfeedhobo> anyone else get the update last night?
[12:21] <cornfeedhobo> anyone install everything yet?
[12:28] <jalcine> cornfeedhobo: yup! doing my restricted and extras now
[12:30] <cornfeedhobo> just rebooted. things looks good!
[12:34] <jalcine> :)
[12:34] <cornfeedhobo> :D
[12:34] <jalcine> I want to play with that new kde-connect app
[12:35]  * jalcine might move his chat to #-offtopic since we aren't helping anyone
[12:36] <cornfeedhobo> i am just happy updates go so smooth now
[12:36] <cornfeedhobo> for a second i thought this one included wayland... i was scared for a moment
[12:47] <jalcine> cornfeedhobo: wayland's what you want
[12:48] <jalcine> the successor to X
[12:48] <cornfeedhobo> yeah... but i want to let other people run it for a bit. i dont trust it yet given all the fuss that has go into its creation
[12:50] <jalcine> Wayland's been built in the open for quite some time.
[12:51] <jalcine> It's Mir that has the speculation due to its obviously focused goals for Unity
[12:54] <cornfeedhobo> yeah mir is a mess i hear
[12:55] <cornfeedhobo> and i am excited about wayland, i just want to see what happens first
[12:55] <jalcine> Of course.
[12:55] <jalcine> Not all of KDE has been ported so I hear and with XWayland, most legacy X apps should run fine.
[12:56] <yossarianuk> I hope that Kubuntu will fork the nvidia driver package when mir is out and always have the latest... (which ubuntu never does.)
[12:56] <jalcine> My excitement is for Frameworks andthe opporunities it provides
[12:56] <jalcine> someone could look into making a bleeding edge PPA though for drivers that might not be safe
[12:57] <jalcine> and with NVidia helping out Nouveau with work nowadays, things should be getting easier.
[12:57] <chachan> which could be the advantages of wayland over X?
[12:58] <jalcine> As far as I know, Nouveau's a *X-only* driver. I don't know/think it'd be ported or converted for Wayland.
[13:01] <yossarianuk> jalcine: latest beta has start of EGL support.
[13:01] <yossarianuk> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-331.13-driver.html
[13:02] <yossarianuk> I already run a PPA with the latest Nividia driver....
[13:02] <yossarianuk> I don't use X-SWAT as previously that has totalled systems (as it has far more than just the nvidia driver - i.e newer Xorg versions , etc)
[13:03] <yossarianuk> I just wish by default there was an option to get the latest version of  the driver....
[13:03] <yossarianuk> By not having the latest it is no more stabv
[13:03] <yossarianuk> *stable* it is less stable as there are bug fixes in the later versions...
[13:04] <yossarianuk> The mir split could be a good time to make the change...
[13:08] <jalcine> yossarianuk: that's something to note, thanks!
[13:09] <jalcine> I use Intel drivers all 'round, but that's info to convince my gamedev friends to come about
[13:11] <jalcine> YES! kdeconnect-kde in the repos (good work smartboyhw!)
[13:16] <hackndoes> hello everyone. can anyone tell me with which kde version does 13.10 come?
[13:18] <thingol_> hackndoes: i'll be able to tell you in a few hours, after i've finished the upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10 :)
[13:18] <hackndoes> :)
[13:19] <hackndoes> if I had updated my kde from the kde backports before and now upgraded to 13.10 does it install the 13.10 version over the backports version or leaves the version that was installed?
[13:20] <thingol_> hackndoes: my wild guess is it'll install whichever is newest
[13:20] <jalcine> hackndoes: the 13.10 version since it disables your PPAs. However, that version of KDE would be 4.11.2
[13:21] <hackndoes> thingol_: oh OK
[13:21] <hackndoes> thanks
[13:21] <jalcine> so installing the PPA version would only provide you with a 4.11.2+gitXXYYWWW
[13:21] <jalcine> yup
[13:21] <hackndoes> jalcine: what?
[13:22] <jalcine> when you do a dist-upgrade; your PPAs (like the backports and betas) are disabled
[13:22] <hackndoes> jalcine: yes I noticed that. but what are you saying? that I will get which version?
[13:23] <jalcine> you wouldn't get the "bleeding edge" but rather the stable release of 4.11.2 (the version of KDE shipped with Kubuntu 13.10)
[13:23] <hackndoes> jalcine: now I see 4.11.2 indeed (nothing with git)
[13:23] <jalcine> 4.11.2 without PPAs and 4.11.2+git(timestamp) *when you enable your PPAs again*
[13:23] <hackndoes> so I currently have the same kde version?
[13:24] <hackndoes> jalcine: oh got you. so now I am synced with the official kde released with the 13.10 ?
[13:26] <smartboyhw> jalcine, thanks:)
[13:27] <hackndoes> jalcine: can I reenable the disabled  sources now? like dropbox, steam, etc. ?
[13:44] <PimpSmurf> When I boot my laptop on 13.10, it shows my wifi adaptor, but it does not show any networks. What gives?
[13:48] <PimpSmurf> I want to get it working durring install because kubuntu never writes grub correctly so the system won't boot after install
[13:48] <PimpSmurf> and without a wired ethernet on this ultrabook, I can't download boot-repair
[13:48] <PimpSmurf> And the boot-repair CD and the linux-secure-boot CD both do not boot on this laptop.
[13:58] <thingol_> PimpSmurf: is wpa_supplicant configured on your Kubuntu 13.10 ?
[14:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:11] <bjrohan> Help. Afte my upgrade, I have no volume. My volume button on the keyboard shows muted. I can press it to unmute and the system volume icon shows umnuted, still no sound. Pulse Audio shows sound in the sound meter, but I can't hear it
[14:12] <kubuntu> moin
[14:24] <PimpSmurf> thingol_: I'm installing 13.10
[14:24] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. type alsamixer in the terminal , make sure the vol ctrl boxes have 00 at the bottom , not MM /mute, use the M key to unmute
[14:25] <PimpSmurf> In kubuntu it doesn't show any connections. In ubuntu it says the hardware switch is set
[14:25] <PimpSmurf> rfkill unblock all doesn't do anything
[14:25] <PimpSmurf> wifi works fine in archlinux.
[14:29] <bjrohan> BluesKaj: http://snag.gy/jJdgf.jpg is what alsamixer shows for me
[14:30] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. what's you speaker/audio setup ?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> your
[14:33] <bjrohan> BluesKaj: I am not sure what you are asking. I am on an HP envy laptop that has 5 speakers I think
[14:35] <BluesKaj> ok bjrohan , run , sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel , in the terminal , there will be no output if the kernel module /driver loads properly
[14:35] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[14:35] <bjrohan> BluesKaj: I now see where at the bottom of the graph the 00 and MM are. I changed them all to 00, not MM.
[14:36] <bjrohan> BluesKaj: after asking for my password, nothing appeared
[14:36] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. yes that's fine , like I said no output
[14:36] <BluesKaj> now reboot , bjrohan
[14:56] <bjrohan> BluesKaj: I rebooted same scenario. No sound. The KDE mixer shows nothing muted. My icon shows nothing muted, my keyboard button/light shows muted whether it actually is or not
[14:58] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. ok , now sysem settings>multimedia>audio&video settings>device prefernce , test the availble devices listed there
[15:02] <muh2000> hi all
[15:02] <thingol_> hi muh2000
[15:03] <muh2000> stupid me  ran this command after upgrading...: "dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print $2}' | xargs sudo dpkg -P"  and i did not make a copy of the packages that were removed. now akonadi doesnt register at dbus anymore :/
[15:04] <muh2000> and now i am trying to figure out what package i have to install to make it work again :(
[15:05] <lordievader> muh2000: Perhaps with a bit of luck reinstalling the kubuntu-desktop package might bring some of it back.
[15:07] <muh2000> lordievader: how would the command look like?
[15:07] <bjrohan> BluesKaj: When I go to system setting, Multimedia, Audio and Video, settings, when I click all of the items the test button does not show, it stays grayed out
[15:08] <lordievader> muh2000: sudo apt-get update&&sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop&&sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[15:09] <muh2000> lordievader: nah, it only de/installs the kubuntu-desktop package
[15:09] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. what does aplay -l , show ?
[15:09] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. pastebin it pls
[15:10] <lordievader> muh2000: It's a meta package with a bunch of dependencies.
[15:11] <bjrohan> BluesKaj: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6257761/
[15:21] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. open alsamixer again , F6 , choose the analog soundcard listed there then escape , then go back to multimedia in system settings and see if any available device appears
[15:22] <BluesKaj> corrction , hit enter then escape after choosing the soundcard
[15:28] <bjrohan> BluesKaj: I did that. Now in the System settings, device settings I can see the Analog device on the right hand selection that is available, choosing that Test is available, clicking that, I stil hear nothing. The keyboard mute button still shows muted no matter what the system shows (muted or on)
[15:30] <BluesKaj> do the volume keyboard buttons respond ?
[15:33] <bjrohan> The keyboard volume up and down do respond. If I press the keyboard mute button it works as well, however the light on the key for mute stays on as if it is always muted no matter what the system icon says
[15:33] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. repeat the sequence , except this time choose the digital soundcard device in alsamixer
[15:35] <BluesKaj> make sure the pcm and spdif are unmuted
[15:35] <BluesKaj> all spdif s
[15:35] <BluesKaj> and the loopback as well
[15:37] <bjrohan> When I press f6 I only have 3 options, default, HDA Intel PCH,and enter device name . .
[15:37] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. and your line out is auto muted , make that's disabled
[15:37] <BluesKaj> sure
[15:37] <bjrohan> My loopback is disabled currently
[15:37] <BluesKaj> yes , leave it disabled
[15:38] <bjrohan> How do I make line out disabled?
[15:38] <BluesKaj> the automute on your line out is the problem , i think
[15:38] <bjrohan> what do I press when it is ighlighted
[15:38] <BluesKaj> up or down arrow keys
[15:39] <bjrohan> Okay, Loopback is disabled (same as before) Auto-mute is Disabled (wasn't before)
[15:40] <bjrohan> S/PDIF's are all 00
[15:40] <BluesKaj> me despises the automute setting , whoever added that option should have it turn on in his system every few mins
[15:41] <bjrohan> BluesKaj: WHen I press f6, which option should i use, default deice or the Intel
[15:41] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. intel
[15:41] <bjrohan> BluesKaj: I only have those to options
[15:41] <bjrohan> oj
[15:41] <bjrohan> ok
[15:41] <bjrohan> Now how to save and exit (nothing has changed otherwise)
[15:41] <BluesKaj> enter then escape
[15:41] <bjrohan> ok
[15:41] <bjrohan> Done
[15:42] <BluesKaj> now check your audio video settings in multimedia
[15:42] <bjrohan> Going to system settings, multimedia, and testing gives me no better result :-(
[15:42] <BluesKaj> and is your mute light or indicator still "on"?
[15:42] <bjrohan> Only non-gray optin is the analog
[15:42] <bjrohan> Yes it is, no change in the button functionality or status
[15:42] <BluesKaj> ok try a reboot
[15:50] <bjrohan> BluesKaj: Nothing changed from what I can tell :-(
[15:51] <bjrohan> going to alsamixer, the changed I made stuck on reboot
[15:53] <bjrohan> Again, opening Pulse audio control, the output graph is playing, but no sound
[15:55] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. sorry forgot to mention , check the audio hardware set up tab in multimedia >audio&video, soundcard and profilechoices ,and sound device and connector settings
[15:57] <BluesKaj> unfortunately , linux audio is a  messy business, there is still another option to explore , but I'm hoping these lasr settings will solve the problem
[15:59] <bjrohan> SOundcard is Built-in Audio, the only option available. From profile I have a LOT of options (it is on snalog stereo Duplex) selecting any of the others doesn't give any metter result. Sound Device is Playback (Built-in Audio Analog Stereo) Connector is Analog output
[15:59] <bjrohan> This all appears from what I can tell, the settings before the upgrae
[16:02] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. yes , that most likely the correct setting for builtin speakers , the digital spdif out is for the digital audio out and the audio portion of the hdmi out connection
[16:05] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. you try pavucontrol , but the pulse audio settings are in the audio hardware tab. Pavucontrol is supposed to just duplicate those settings , but it's worth a try
[16:05] <BluesKaj> you can install pavucontrol with apt-get or muon
[16:06] <bjrohan> I have the pavucontrol, I show that output graph moving, no sound though
[16:07] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. ok try the default soundcard in alsamixer
[16:08] <bjrohan> Okay, in Alsamixer I pressed f6, and chose default, nothing seems to have changed anywhere
[16:08] <bjrohan> chip list is intel pantherpoint HDMI
[16:09] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. one usually has to reboot for settings to change nowadys
[16:10] <bjrohan> so set to default, and reboot
[16:10] <BluesKaj> yes
[16:10] <BluesKaj> ok , wife wants to watch the local news on this monitor/tv ...bbiab
[16:10] <bjrohan> later
[16:11] <bjrohan> thank you :-)
[16:35] <bjrohan> BluesKaj: FWIW, I plugged my laptop using HDMI to my TV. I changed the Pulseaudio setting to HDMI, audio worked coming out of the TV. Oddluy enough the volume keys worked. The mute key worked BUT when muted the light did not come on indicating so
[16:36] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. think the mute only works on trhe analog signal
[16:36] <bjrohan> While amarok was playing I unplugged the HDMI cable, swithed back to the nalog, I had music, but no bass speaker acitivation
[16:37] <bjrohan> On the analog it plays, the key works, light is not indicating correctly, it is the opposite of HDMI. HDMI it is always off, analog, it is always on
[16:37] <bjrohan> BUT I have sound now
[16:39] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. search around on kmix and alsamixer for sub(woofer) ctrls , perahps pavucontrol has that ctrl
[16:39] <bjrohan> ok
[16:41] <BluesKaj> I don't use the analog portion od the audio signal since I have no speaker connected to my pc , everything audio stays in the digital form until it's converted in my audio receiver/amp
[16:49] <rufsketch1> Hello everyone
[16:50] <rufsketch1> I have a kernel module called cx23885 which gets loaded automatically on startup
[16:50] <rufsketch1> I need it to continue doing this, but I need it to load with a different module option
[16:50] <rufsketch1> specifically
[16:51] <rufsketch1> cx23885 card=3
[16:51] <rufsketch1> how do I change what option a kernel module gets loaded with?
[17:00] <BluesKaj> rufsketch1. is that a sound card ?
[17:05] <rufsketch1> BluesKaj, Video Capture Card
[17:06] <BluesKaj> rufsketch1. tv tuner as well ?
[17:06] <rufsketch1> BluesKaj, yes. But only using it for video capture.
[17:06] <BluesKaj> ok'
[17:08] <genii> echo "cx23885 card=3" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[17:08] <rufsketch1> genii, I've had no luck with setting the option in /etc/modules
[17:11] <BluesKaj> usually default is card=0 , rufsketch1 , but setting it up is out of my scope , not sure which config . does your capture card show up as a device in multimedia > audio & video settings ?
[17:11] <BluesKaj> rufsketch1.^
[17:13] <rufsketch1> BluesKaj, it shows up only if I set it as card=3
[17:13] <genii> rufsketch1: In that case you'll need to make udev entries.
[17:13] <rufsketch1> genii, where can I find info on how to do that?
[17:15] <BluesKaj> ok rufsketch1 I leave you in good hands , gotta go , stuff to do .
[17:16] <genii> rufsketch1: I can help if you don't mind lag, I'm running back and forth from my computer all the time. The basic idea: Find the udev rule in /lib/udev/rules.d/  that already covers your piece of hardware, or where it can be added. Copy that rule into /etc/udev/rules.d/  and then edit it to your liking
[17:16] <rufsketch1> BluesKaj, alright. thanks
[17:16] <georgelappies> hi all, thanks for 13.10 it is looking awesome! :)
[17:17] <rufsketch1> genii, I don't mind lag too much. Alright. Trying it out
[17:17] <rufsketch1> oh yeah, what are the major changes in 13.10? I've been meaning to try it
[17:17] <georgelappies> just a quick question though, is anybody else having an issue with Choqok not getting any feeds from Twitter?
[17:21] <rufsketch1> genii, none of the files in /lib/udev/rules.d seem to even contain anything with cx23885 in them. Or even just cx, for that matter.
[17:23] <genii> rufsketch1: What interface does it use? eg: USB, PCI, CardBus or ExpressCard, etc
[17:24] <rufsketch1> genii, pci-express
[17:25] <georgelappies> hotot-qt seems to working ok for twitter though, will use that then
[17:31] <genii> rufsketch1: What devicename under /dev/  is it currently getting?
[17:33] <genii> Meh, they need me for an extended bit here.
[17:33] <rufsketch1> genii, it's either /dev/video0
[17:33] <rufsketch1> or /dev/v4l
[17:34] <rufsketch1> oh
[17:34] <genii> rufsketch1: I'm currently looking at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2050860 which you might find useful as a starting point. to find the comparable info as he has there from udevadm, you can do:  udevadm info /dev/video0
[17:34] <rufsketch1> v4l is a directory
[17:34] <nober> hi all.  I just upgraded my kubuntu installation and now the GUI won't boot.  It gets stuck on a screen where my keybaord is echoed.  I can switch TTYs for term access though.  Any ideas?
[17:34] <genii> rufsketch1: I'll be back at computer in 10-15 minutes
[17:34] <rufsketch1> genii, under v4l are pci-0000:03:00.0-video-index0  pci-0000:03:00.0-video-index1
[17:34] <rufsketch1> genii, alright, will look at the thread
[17:34] <rufsketch1> genii, thanks
[17:35] <bjrohan> After doing some searching I installed Jack retasking to get my HP envy with Beats working again with 13.10 upgrade. After retasking, I can get my speakers working, however pulseaudio doesn't control anyting, my keyboard keys don't work, only alsa mizer works for controlling volume
[17:36] <bjrohan> any thoughts
[17:37] <rufsketch1> genii, udevadm info /dev/video0 returns "missing option"
[17:50] <yuradoc> Hello
[17:50] <wissam> hi
[17:50] <yuradoc> after updato to 13.10 i have a bug when resume from sleep mode
[17:52] <wissam> stupid question :why using new network manager in kubuntu 13.10 ? why it is better the old one ?
[17:52] <yuradoc> it's shows login dialog and mouse pointer active few second, then pc hangs out
[18:12] <genii> rufsketch1: Back. It occurs to me there is a simpler way also, using instead a conf file in /etc/modprobe.d/    eg: make a file with: options cx23885 card=3             ..inside, and then save it as something like /etc/modprobe.d/cx23885.conf
[18:12] <bjrohan> HELP with audio since upgrading to 13.10. I have an HP envy with beats audio. I have been trying to get this to work, using config files and lastly the hdajackretask. I can only get my laptop speakers to play after i hook up to HDMI out, then remove the HDMI cable
[18:22] <muh2000> anyone having issues with akonadi since 13.10 ?
[18:22] <muh2000> i cannot start akonadi anymore :(
[18:45] <jamesbong> hi
[18:46] <jamesbong> i have kubuntu installed, 2nd hard disk holds /srv and /tmp partitions, now i want to move those to the first one and install windows on the 2nd. how do i move the mount points? just edit fstab?
[18:49] <jamesbong> i want to get rid of /srv partition and move /tmp just to the root partition (without having a separate partition)
[18:56] <genii> jamesbong: sudo mkdir /srv1 && sudo mount -o remount,ro /srv && sudo cp -arpv /srv/* /srv1 && sudo umount /srv && sudo mv /srv1 /srv   ...same idea applies to /tmp
[19:20] <Programmer_> for some reason my application launcher doesnt show my apps. it says i dont have any, when i know for a fact i do
[19:25] <przemek> hello guys how to check by this dd if=/dev/zero of=iotest bs=64k count=16k conv=fdatasync
[19:26] <przemek> disk  /dev/sdb
[19:26] <przemek> coz I see this command check only /dev/sda
[19:28] <Schrodinger`Cat> przemek, do you know what you are doing with this command ? :)
[19:30] <przemek> yes i know
[19:30] <przemek> i create big file
[19:30] <przemek> Schrodinger`Cat: big empty file :)
[19:30] <przemek> this command is very usfeful to check transfer disk like hdparm as well
[19:31] <tsimpson> not empty, full
[19:31] <tsimpson> (of zeros)
[19:31] <przemek> yes sorry
[19:32] <tsimpson> it creates a file in the current directory, so it'd check whatever disk the current directory is located on
[19:33] <przemek> tsimpson: so this command create the file only where the system is installed or on both my disk?
[19:34] <tsimpson> it creates the file in whatever directory you run the command from
[19:34] <przemek> ahh
[19:34] <przemek> o my god
[19:34] <przemek> thank you very much
[19:34] <przemek> you are the staret
[19:34] <tsimpson> :)
[19:34] <przemek> feel stupid now
[19:34] <przemek> thanks tsimpson :)
[19:35] <tsimpson> no problem
[19:35] <Schrodinger`Cat> przemek, dont feel stupid, it's when you don't ask question that you can become stupid :)
[19:35] <przemek> true :)
[19:36] <Schrodinger`Cat> przemek, but reading the man page of dd command can be very helpful ^^
[19:36] <przemek> i will do it asap
[19:36] <Schrodinger`Cat> to understand why dd is creating a file in the current directory
[19:36] <Schrodinger`Cat> przemek, you are on kubuntu 13.10 ? fresh install?
[19:37] <przemek> 12.04.03
[19:37] <Schrodinger`Cat> nice version
[19:38] <przemek> only version I could instal on the sick asus UEFI board
[20:06] <frosted> Hi guys I need some help, my kubuntu is just stuck on the kubuntu logo. it goes to grub and then the logo and thats where it stays.
[20:06] <frosted> I've done a fsck , and dpkg still didn't fix it.
[20:07] <frosted> anyone ?
[20:08] <xanax`> hello
[20:08] <xanax`> is it true that Kubuntu will feature Wayland and not Mir ?
[20:09] <genii> xanax`: http://blogs.kde.org/2013/06/26/kubuntu-wont-be-switching-mir-or-xmir
[20:09] <xanax`> thank you
[20:10] <genii> frosted: How long have you let it sit like that before? If it finds no network then it usually waits one minute, then an additional minute (on top of usual load time)
[20:10] <frosted> been 8 mintues.
[20:10] <genii> Yeah that's definitely too long.
[20:11] <frosted> it has network, I can go to advance functions and turn networking on and it will be able to do the dpkg check,
[20:11] <frosted> and its on a ssd
[20:11] <frosted> wayyyyyy too long
[20:11] <genii> frosted: You can still boot to the recovery boot?
[20:11] <frosted> yea I can
[20:11] <frosted> it accepts the ctrl alt delete command, takes a little while, but it will reboot
[20:12] <genii> frosted: What login manager are you using? ( kdm, lightdm-kde-greeter, or some other )
[20:12] <frosted> genii, by recovery boot you mean the advanced options for kubuntu gnu/linux ?
[20:12] <frosted> kdm
[20:12] <frosted> the default on on kbuuntu
[20:12] <frosted> kubuntu *
[20:16] <Fa_1> default is lightdm
[20:16] <genii> frosted: Default should be lightdm-kde-greeter... I'd suggest boot to recovery and choose root prompt, do mount -o remount,rw -a    ...and then start up network with: ifconfig eth0 up && dhclient eth0     (assuming a wired connection here). and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade  . Additionally to make sure the default login is correct by: apt-get install lightdm-kde-greeter     ...and then: shutdown -r now    ..to reboot and see if it takes
[20:17] <genii> Fa_1: If it was continuously upgraded from before, might still be kdm
[20:17] <frosted> wont I have to uninstall the amd ati driver first before I do a dist-upgrade ?
[20:17] <genii> frosted: Also, did you recently mess with the video drivers?
[20:17] <frosted> nope, been working fine,
[20:18] <genii> frosted: Nah, the dist-upgrade doesn't care about those. Unless you've manually installed instead of using the DKMS way where it will rebuild after every kernel update
[20:18] <Fa_1> wasnt it that kdm is broken in 13.10?
[20:19] <frosted> I had to manually install the propriety driver
[20:19] <genii> Fa_1: Yes, that's why i asked about his default login manager :)
[20:19] <frosted> i'm  still on 13.04
[20:19] <Fa_1> ok :)
[20:19] <genii> frosted: OK, so in this particular case you will want to remove it, then reinstall after you get back to a working desktop
[20:20] <genii> Work needs me, away 10-12 minutes
[20:20] <frosted> Thanx let me try.
[20:22] <frosted> i need some help with the rw -a ??
[20:22] <frosted> says rw not found
[20:22] <frosted> and mount -o
[20:24] <lordievader> frosted: With the -o you can pass mount options to mount, the mount options in this case are "remount" and "rw".
[20:25] <frosted> it cant find rw
[20:25] <genii> frosted: Need the -o for remount,rw     and -a for "mount all". I may have the syntax messed up. Could be something more like: mount -a -o remount,rw
[20:25] <genii> frosted: no space after the comma
[20:25] <lordievader> or "...-o remount -o rw.."
[20:25] <frosted> genii, okay what are the commands, since if I type " mount -o remount" it just gives me mounts quick help
[20:26] <frosted> and rw isn't found '
[20:26] <genii> frosted: You're forgetting the -a for "mount all mounts speficied in fstab"
[20:27] <frosted> so should it be "mount -a remount " ?
[20:27] <genii> my boss is getting impatient with me.
[20:27] <frosted> sorry
[20:27] <genii> frosted: mount -a -o remount,rw
[20:27] <genii> back shortly , MUST work right now
[20:27] <frosted> workied
[20:29] <JMichaelX> anyone else getting 2 error dialogs every time they boot up?
[20:29] <lordievader> JMichaelX: What error dialogs?
[20:30] <frosted> omw why is it still read only file system -.-
[20:31] <JMichaelX> lordievader: they don't say much... just that there has been a system error, and do you want to report it. they do not indicate in any way whatthe error relates to. i have this on 2 machines
[20:33] <lordievader> frosted: What kind of filesystem are we talking about anyway?
[20:33] <lordievader> JMichaelX: Do you also have Unity installed?
[20:34] <frosted> ext4 the command should be mount -o remount,rw /
[20:34] <frosted> wow removing the proprietary driver solved the problem, omw, and I just did an update.
[20:36] <genii> frosted: The filesystem will still report it's mounted as read-only because the mtab file remains unwritable until after the filesystem has already been remounted, but it should actually be really mounted with read-write after the command completes successfully.
[20:36] <JMichaelX> lordievader: no. neither machine has ever had unity installed.
[20:37] <rodnice> After distro update, Muon keeps... wait... did Muon Software Center just become Muon Discover in the latest version of Kubuntu?
[20:37] <frosted> genii,  I had to change the command then it worked. I have booted into the desktop. removed the proprietary fglrx driver solved it.
[20:37] <lordievader> JMichaelX: Hmm, that is annoying. An error message that does not say what the error is.. :(
[20:37] <frosted> I just did an update last night not a dist-upgrade.
[20:37] <JMichaelX> lordievader: one or both did have gnome installed, but that has been several years ago.
[20:37] <genii> frosted: Good to see you're back up and running.
[20:38] <frosted> what would be better , a dist-upgrade or download new version and reinstall ?
[20:38] <JMichaelX> lordievader: yea, they are not helpful at all. they also do not really seem like typical KDE dialogs
[20:39] <frosted> I take it the open source drivers are better than the proprietary ones? Lol only on kubuntu does the open-source driver say that my gpu isnt supported. which is odd.
[20:39] <lordievader> JMichaelX: Makes you wonder if it is KDE then...
[20:39] <lordievader> frosted: For 3d stuff it is usually the other way around.
[20:40] <frosted> genii, thanx for the help, sorry if I got you in trouble.
[20:40] <JMichaelX> lordievader: yes, it does. there is probably still some gnome cruft lying about on these things... although i have tried to clean that out. who knows..
[20:40] <frosted> lordievader, so the proprietary are better then for 3d ?
[20:40] <genii> frosted: A little but my boss is actually pretty cool. After all he lets me hang out here all day, so long as i get my work done.
[20:40] <frosted> genii, that is cool haha.
[20:41] <lordievader> frosted: That is my opinion at least, the closed-source ones also seem a bit more stable if you ask me.
[20:41] <lordievader> genii: :)
[20:41] <frosted> lordievader, but everytime you upgrade you need to uninstall if a xserver package it upgrade, or if you do a dist-upgrade.
[20:42] <frosted> This dist-upgrade might take a while onlt getting 108kbs
[20:42] <frosted> only *
[20:42] <lordievader> frosted: What? You mean that the driver breaks? Only if you installed it manually and you do a kernel update.
[20:42] <frosted> lordievader, yea I had to install it manually
[20:43] <lordievader> frosted: Jup then it breaks when you do a kernel update, lovely eh?
[20:43] <frosted> lordievader, messed up if you ask me
[20:45] <frosted> wait i installed the fglrx and fglrx-amdcccle which is the proprietary using synaptic and i got gpu not support, but when I do a manual install its fine.
[20:45] <frosted> worked fine in lmde as well.
[20:45] <lordievader> frosted: Different versions of fglrx?
[20:45] <frosted> there i installed it from synaptic and it worked perfectly just amarok didnt work so well.
[20:45] <frosted> lordievader, might have been. not sure.
[20:47] <frosted> lordievader, in synaptic the version reads 2:13.101-ubuntu3, and the one I downloaded from the amd website is 13-4
[20:47] <frosted> so not sure what version the synaptic really is.
[20:50] <lordievader> frosted: This page doens't help much in determining which one is newer: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/fglrx-installer-updates/2:13.101-0ubuntu3
[20:51] <lordievader> Hmm code name for 14.04 is Trusty Tahr, not sure if I like it... Let's see if the repo is already available.
[20:52] <alesan> hi
[20:52] <alesan> I updated to Kubuntu 13.10 but now my task bar is diffrent in color
[20:52] <alesan> it is much lighter: how can I go back to the pre-update colors?
[20:52] <alesan> it seems the rest stayed about the same
[20:54] <frosted> how do I get the distrobution upgrade dialog ?
[20:55] <frosted> Its gone, and I need to run it again.,
[20:55] <lordievader> frosted: What version are you running?
[20:55] <frosted> and dist-upgade wont work
[20:55] <frosted> 13.04
[20:55] <frosted> I want to upgrade to 13.10
[20:55] <lordievader> frosted: sudo do-release-upgrade
[20:55] <frosted> I need to remember that command dam .
[20:56] <frosted> Running it through terminal is better or not ?
[20:57] <lordievader> frosted: It is a personal preference, not sure if it is better or not.
[20:57] <frosted> well you can see more of what is going on when its run in konsole
[20:58] <lordievader> frosted: You can probably also see that in a gui with a bit of clicking.
[20:59] <frosted> not so much detail haha
[21:01] <F41l> Alright so... day 3 of being unable to install Kubuntu 13.10 onto my system. The install CD does terrible things graphically, and distro upgrade from commandline worked, but wont boot up with kernel 3.11, only 3.8 from my previous 13.04 install.
[21:02] <F41l> Running AMD FX8150, dual 7970 crossfire
[21:05] <frosted> F41l,  did you do a manual install of the gpu drivers >
[21:08] <F41l> frosted: I did, as one attempt to get it working.
[21:08] <F41l> Though even the installation DVD has this issue, when I was going to give up and just reformat.
[21:09] <frosted> You need to uninstall it if you doing a dist-upgrad or release upgrade or even if an update touches any xserver packages.
[21:09] <frosted> Even the dvd ?
[21:09] <F41l> When I did the distro upgrade, I did not have the drivers installed
[21:09] <frosted> is your dvd okay ? not missing a file ?
[21:09] <F41l> 3 copies of it
[21:10] <F41l> all individually downloaded and hashed
[21:10] <F41l> burned with different computers
[21:10] <F41l> same issue
[21:10] <F41l> Kernel 3.11 doesn't like my system for shit.
[21:10] <frosted> ish, and i'm upgrading now;.
[21:11] <F41l> I have the system booting to 3.8 kernel into 13.10 kubuntu
[21:11] <F41l> but things aren't optimum as you can imagine.
[21:11] <F41l> kind of behaving weirdly using 13.04's kernel
[21:13] <hellslinger> can anyone tell me where the kde digital-clock applet files are located?
[21:15] <frosted> F41l, I have no idea then.
[21:16] <F41l> Me either....
[21:16] <frosted> Maybe some of the other guys when they read this will help
[21:16] <F41l> Less the install DVD doesn't like Radeon 7970s?
[21:16] <F41l> or kernel 3.11, for that matter.
[21:16] <F41l> It hangs in recovery mode with that kernel as well.
[21:17] <frosted> google the support for the gpu ?
[21:17] <frosted> although it should be an issue
[21:19] <F41l> works just fine in 3.8, no idea what would cause this lol
[21:20] <F41l> I'm stuck not using 13.10, so I gotta reformat to 13.04 tonight when I get home :P
[21:21] <frosted> That sucks
[21:21] <frosted> I have 2 hours to go for the 800 meg downloaded
[21:28] <vbgunz> the last message I get during bootup with the latest kernel is "switched to clocksource tsc"
[21:28] <vbgunz> then the keyboard itself becomes unresponsive
[21:29] <F41l> frosted: 2 hours for 800megs? Cripes. I have 100mbit pipe ;P
[21:30] <frosted> F41l, I have 100kbs
[21:30] <F41l> ow
[21:30] <F41l> my cellphone gets 14mbit from ATT lol
[21:30] <F41l> that sucks
[21:30] <frosted> I get 5mbs on my phone.
[22:36] <Husar> Hi, in new Kubuntu 13.10 Network Manager and Muon Shit sucks for all, or just for me?
[22:37] <IdleOne> Husar: keep the language clean please
[22:37] <wxl> Husar: never use it. apt-get mo betta ;)
[22:40] <valorie> Husar: I like the new nm
[22:40] <valorie> clean, simple, and Just Works
[22:40] <Husar> valorie: i like it too, but can not connect to my vpn with new one
[22:40] <Husar> no JUST NOT WORKS
[22:40] <valorie> if you don't like Muon, there are lots of other choices
[22:41] <Husar> i have more crashes with 13.10 in one day than last year with prevoius
[22:41] <valorie> hmmm
[22:42] <valorie> perhaps it's time to rename your .kde folder?
[22:42] <Husar> i can not add openvpn configuration. always freeze
[22:42] <valorie> when logged out
[22:42] <valorie> Husar: was this a clean install, or upgrade?
[22:42] <Husar> clean install
[22:42] <valorie> if clean install, ignore what I just said
[22:43] <valorie> sorry, I should have asked first before saying that
[22:43] <Husar> I like Kubuntu mutch, always new software and all easy.
[22:43] <Husar> But 13.10 just hate.
[22:43] <valorie> :(
[22:44] <valorie> there are other network managers as well
[22:44] <Husar> valorie: but this require time...
[22:44] <valorie> WicD I've used in the past when I was having problems
[22:47] <valorie> Husar: before trying that, please look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkManager
[22:47] <valorie> perhaps you need the plugin
[22:47] <valorie> although you would think this would be suggested
[22:47]  * valorie has never worked with a vpn
[22:50] <Husar> sorry, have no time for this
[22:50] <Husar> but thanks for help
[22:52] <valorie> how much time does it take to sudo apt-get install a plugin?
[22:52] <Husar> i have installed plugins
[22:58] <valorie> ok
[23:53] <d353r7f0x> is anyone else having trouble installing nvidia 319.60 drivers on 13.10?


[02:45] <hallyn_> hey, i'm not sure if this is a cloudinit or just a transient problem, but last 3 days when i juju bootstrap on amazon ec2 with default-series precise, i have to log into the bootstrap node and manually reboot after installation is done
[02:45] <hallyn_> is that a known thing right now?
[02:45] <hallyn_> (i never had to do that before, but haen't used it with amazon ec2 in a few months)
[02:52] <hallyn_> whelp, i guess i ought to try precise <clickety tap>
[02:57] <hallyn_> hm, yeah, that works.  so it's only raring.
[12:49] <AskUbuntu> juju status timeout error 111 connection refused please help | http://askubuntu.com/q/308862


[23:38] <cco3> When I do "setuid someuser", that user doesn't seem to have environment variables like $USER set...is this intentional?


[14:05] <prodV> hello
[16:20] <L00P3X> GoodEvening #ubuntustudio
[18:33] <L00P3X> one question guis.. is timidity something you can use in ardour? seems not to work whit jack as i supposed too and plays back a midi track as it would be a song.. would import some midis over ardour and let timidity assign to every track his instrument..
[18:37] <L00P3X> or maybe use qtractor for this purpose.. but i get no sound anyway :|
[18:44] <L00P3X> in other word.. i do not get timidity workin in qtractor.. ask myself if even possible over ardour
[19:10] <OvenWerks> L00P3X: use Fuid Synth (a-Fuid Synth in Ardour) it uses the same sound fonts.
[19:12] <L00P3X> is it the one named A-fluidsynt?
[19:15] <OvenWerks> Could be, I have Ardour 5.10.something (git) so things may have changed. Calf fuid synth is usable too... but should be used with the generic GUI if possible to avoid crashes. (try and see I guess)
[19:17] <OvenWerks> Calf fluid synth opens ok for me.
[19:18] <L00P3X> i had problems whit resolution on ardour 5.10.. i'm on ardour 5 right now.. and calf is no go ^^..
[19:22] <L00P3X> and for a strange reason i do even get no sound.. i maybe have to reboot.. will let you know how it works for me.. ThankYouAllotOwen
[19:48] <L00P3X> OwenWerks, i maybe need to say where the sf2 files are located? could hear sound befor import whit renoablesynt.. fluidsynt give out no sound and do not allows play as i import.. even adding a new track results in no sound :\
[19:54] <L00P3X> ovenWerks, but get sound out of ardour whit zynaddsubfx.. ardour do not plaback as i import whit a missing sf2 for a-fluidsynt
[19:55] <L00P3X> hehe.. wrote the name wrong again
[20:00] <OvenWerks> I found them in /usr/share/sounds/sf2/
[20:01] <L00P3X> just found it in the exact same moment ^^.. FluidR3_GM.sf2 the only i have
[20:03] <OvenWerks> http://www.bandshed.net/sounds/
[20:04] <OvenWerks>  Nope thats just drums, I thought he had more
[20:05] <OvenWerks> http://rkhive.com/synth.html
[20:06] <OvenWerks> http://next.warbeats.com/file-area/soundfonts/
[20:07] <OvenWerks> anyway, google free soundfonts sf2
[21:30] <L00P3X> Ovenweks, I just go trough the nord pole of freezes taking from the valley of hard reboot to only hope that you have not leave as alone in desperation.. xD i have made a zip file for you if you wanna listen what ardour gave me as output and timidity also.. whit the midi file..
[21:36] <L00P3X> i have to use qtractor for shure to use midi data as leaning tool.. and uuuuuh!! such nice repositorys there! so much horns :O
[21:40] <L00P3X> OvenWerks, take this as little present from me.. hope you will need it.. and who wanna take them too.. https://www.reddit.com/r/edmproduction/comments/1yt8gi/all_of_the_philharmonic_orchestras_free_sample/


[06:59] <YoBoY> bonjour
[08:24] <Silverlion> greetings to the world (where ever you are, have a good one ;-) )


[00:21] <xubuntu86w> Can Someone please explain to me on how to connect to wi-fi on xbuntu
[01:56] <Guest784> Hy guys.... does anyone can give a hand here?? is it possible to update xubuntu to the lastest version downloading just the update or i have to download everyting again?
[03:44] <xangua> You can upgrade using the update manager or the ISO
[07:47] <pw_> Hi, I am using xubuntu, I found that the shortcut Ctrl+Alt+B in any text input field calls the on-screen virtual keyboard, which conflicts with my Emacs keybinding, how/where can I disable this shortcut? Thanks!
[07:57] <blingrang> pw_: settings-> keyboard -> shortcuts
[08:03] <pjotter> Hi people. Seems that if I try to remove ristretto, the system wants to remove xfce4-goodies as well. Is there a way to only remove ristretto and leave xfce4-goodies intact?
[08:05] <pw_>  blingrang: thanks. It seems that the culprit was an input method program fcitx.
[08:14] <pjotter> Solved it myself: Seem that using dpkg with the --force-all option can remove a single package without dependencies. Still wonder how the same can be done with apt-get though...
[12:34] <goper> Hello, how can I disable the service dnsmasq?
[12:34] <goper> I need to run my own service on port 53
[12:38] <aedigital> goper  try with  systemctl
[12:41] <goper> ?
[12:48] <aedigital> goper  sudo systemctl stop dnsmasq
[12:48] <aedigital> sudo systemctl  disable dnsmasq.service
[12:49] <aedigital> or maybe install  sysv-rc-conf  for this
[13:12] <goper> aedigital: no go
[13:18] <aedigital> :\
[18:07] <sipajaus> does xubuntu have some default GPG front end/key manager I can't find? Like "password and keys" on ubuntu?
[18:30] <krytarik> sipajaus: That's Seahorse, you can install it in Xubuntu as well.
[18:30] <sipajaus> it only works with nautilus so I'd have to change FM as well
[18:32] <krytarik> To what extent exactly?
[18:33] <sipajaus> seahorse doesnt work with thunar
[18:33] <sipajaus> thunar is the default file manager
[18:40] <krytarik> sipajaus: And that gains you what functionality exactly?
[18:41] <sipajaus> i dont understand what you are asking. You said use seahorse...I explained seahorse doesnt work with the default file manager
[18:57] <xbyte> hello
[19:04] <eitzei> Hey, I'm running Xubuntu 16.04 and I'm not sure if my 'ssh-add' is running correctly. A bit more background info: I have many ssh keys for different purposes and also using ssh config. My 'ssh-add -l' lists all keys/identities after reboot which is fine, but even after removing all identities with 'ssh-add -D' command 'ssd-add -l' still lists all identities. Is this a feature and I don't know how to use
[19:04] <eitzei> ssh-add, or this is a bug?
[19:47] <krytarik> sipajaus: So for the file manager integration you want, looks like you could create appropriate Custom Actions for Thunar using 'seahorse-tool'.
[19:51] <krytarik> (Part of the 'seahorse-nautilus' package, I should mention.)
[20:41] <Celso> Please, how do I leave the menu completely transparent?
[20:41] <Celso> Do you have any faq that exp
[20:41] <Celso> Do you have any faq that explains how to make?
[20:42] <Celso> http://i.imgur.com/NQOPjB9.png
[20:43] <krytarik> eitzei: LP bug 505278.
[20:47] <krytarik> Celso: Right-click on the menu icon → Properties → Appearance.
[20:51] <Celso> krytarik: http://i.imgur.com/8iOw25B.png
[20:52] <Celso> The left side of the menu is not transparent !!
[20:53] <krytarik> Right, true.
[20:58] <Celso> krytarik: I add some line to .gtkrc-2.0 that total assets transparency?
[21:03] <Celso> I added these lines in .gtkrc-2.0 ...
[21:03] <Celso> http://paste.ubuntu.com/20089536/


[01:37] <mup> PR snapd#8304 opened: usersession/userd: add zoommtg url support <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8304>
[06:41] <mborzecki> morning
[07:06] <zyga> hey :)
[07:06] <zyga> coffee
[07:06] <zyga> I'm a bit tired today
[07:06] <zyga> cannot stop working till NaN o clock
[07:13] <zyga> yawn
[07:31] <zyga> I need a break today
[07:31] <zyga> I'll be back later
[07:31] <zyga> I just need to rest
[07:34] <mborzecki> zyga: fwiw it's officially spring now
[07:57] <mborzecki> hmm broke snapd somehow
[08:00] <zyga> oh spring
[08:01] <zyga> too bad we cannot leave home
[08:02] <zyga> I need to burn overtime
[08:05] <pstolowski> mornings
[08:05] <mvo> hey pstolowski
[08:05] <mvo> and good morning mborzecki
[08:08] <mborzecki> pstolowski: mvo : hey!
[08:08] <zyga> hey mvo and pawel
[08:08] <pstolowski> o/
[08:08] <zyga> mvo: I filed for the day off, I just need to slow down and not work till 22
[08:08] <zyga> plus, it's spring as maciek told me
[08:31] <mup> PR snapd#8251 closed: overlord: remove unneeded overlord.MockPruneInterval() mocks <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8251>
[08:31] <mup> PR snapd#8302 closed: interfaces/greengrass-support: fix typo <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8302>
[08:31] <mup> PR snapd#8303 closed: interfaces/greengrass-support: fix typo <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8303>
[09:05] <pstolowski> zyga: do you know if the focal can be safely updated now?
[09:42] <pedronis> pstolowski: snap-preseed -reset in actually in beta now I think
[09:44] <pstolowski> pedronis: but they need the deb for snap-preseed command (or build it themselves)
[09:44] <pedronis> pstolowski: yes, just pointing out that is not just in edge
[09:46] <pstolowski> pedronis: i see, ok, i'll send an update, core from beta + ppa for snap-preseed
[09:51] <mvo> pedronis, pstolowski it's in 2.44 which is in focal right now if that helps
[09:53] <pedronis> I suppose it might not, but mostly to show some progress in releasing this
[09:53] <zyga> pstolowski: yes it can
[09:53] <pstolowski> mvo: that's nice, thanks, i suppose they need xenial though
[09:53] <zyga> I just fixed my laptop
[09:53] <pstolowski> (nonetheless i'll mention this)
[09:53] <pstolowski> zyga: ack, ty
[09:59] <zyga> pstolowski: yah, now back in graphical mode
[09:59] <zyga> if you need to fix but don't have a bootable helper
[09:59] <zyga> you can enable debug shell
[09:59] <zyga> set static IP address over eth0
[10:00] <zyga> and upgrade libcrypt
[10:00] <zyga> then it works
[10:03] <pstolowski> zyga: i just upgraded, didn't have to do anything (but i haven't updated for a while, had ~250 packages to upd)
[10:12] <zyga> pstolowski: it was only bad if you upgraded over that weekend when it was broken
[10:12] <pstolowski> zyga: yeah, i just avoided a bad package
[10:19] <mup> PR snapd#8305 opened: cmd/snap-recovery-chooser: add recovery chooser <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8305>
[10:19] <mborzecki> mvo: ^^
[10:20] <mborzecki> time to tweak do the tweaks in 8298
[10:22] <mup> PR snapd#8200 closed: [RFC] cmd/snap-chooser-ui-demo: a demo of recovery chooser UI <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <Closed by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8200>
[10:24] <mvo> mborzecki: thank you
[10:27] <pedronis> #8208 still needs a 2nd review
[10:27] <mup> PR #8208: boot_test: add many boot robustness tests for UC20 kernel MarkBootSuccessul and SetNextBoot <Test Robustness> <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8208>
[10:32] <axino> hey bdx have you seen https://github.com/snapcrafters/sentry/issues/29 ?
[10:32] <mvo> pedronis: looking at this now
[10:48] <mup> PR snapd#8208 closed: boot_test: add many boot robustness tests for UC20 kernel MarkBootSuccessul and SetNextBoot <Test Robustness> <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8208>
[10:53] <zyga> I'm technically off today but +1 on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8242 - let's land it
[10:53] <mup> PR #8242: many: improve environment handling, fixing duplicate entries <Bug> <Needs Samuele review> <Squash-merge> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8242>
[10:54] <zyga> I have a moment while lucy is sleeping
[10:54] <zyga> shall I just merge it?
[10:57] <mvo> zyga: it has two +1 so should be fine
[10:57] <zyga> ok
[10:57] <zyga> squashing and merging
[10:57] <mvo> thanks!
[10:58] <zyga> I *love* fixing bugs
[10:58] <mup> PR snapd#8242 closed: many: improve environment handling, fixing duplicate entries <Bug> <Needs Samuele review> <Squash-merge> <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8242>
[11:06] <pedronis> mvo: about cloud-init and u-i, are you thinking of making --cloud-init work somehow for 20, at least for dangerous?
[11:07] <pedronis> I'm not quite sure what it does for 16/18
[11:08] <ackk> hi, when an automated snap refresh fails, does hook stdout/stderr get logged somewhere?
[11:20] <mup> PR snapd#8306 opened: snap-bootstrap: add partition creation helper <Simple 😃> <UC20> <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8306>
[11:36] <pedronis> mvo: master has formatting issues now, I think the env pr had still those test off so we didn't notice:  https://travis-ci.org/github/snapcore/snapd/jobs/664797858?utm_medium=notification&utm_source=github_status
[11:40] <axino> hi, does anyone have any idea if this is a snap bug or a snapd bug ? https://github.com/snapcrafters/sentry/issues/30
[11:48] <mvo> pedronis: uh, ok. is someone on it already or should I do a quick PR?
[11:50] <ackk> axino, snaps can only access shm files under /dev/shm/$SNAP_NAME.*
[11:50] <ackk> axino, snapcraft-preload can help there
[11:51] <ackk> axino, https://github.com/sergiusens/snapcraft-preload
[11:56] <mup> PR snapd#8307 opened: snap: run gofmt -s <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8307>
[12:01] <pedronis> mvo: thanks, I was having lunch
[12:02] <mvo> pedronis: me too
[12:06] <jdstrand> cjwatson: ah, thanks for confirming! hey mwhudson, we weren't too far off :)
[12:19] <mup> PR snapd#8307 closed: snap: run gofmt -s <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8307>
[13:16] <ijohnson> hello folks
[13:17] <mup> PR snapcraft#2987 opened: spread tests: set appropriate default base in snapcraft.yamls <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2987>
[13:26] <pedronis> ijohnson: hi
[13:32] <ijohnson> hey pedronis
[13:32] <ijohnson> you were up pretty late last night :-)
[13:32] <pedronis> indeed I was
[13:33] <ijohnson> any more thoughts on what else might be triggering snapd/snap things to run in early boot?
[13:33] <ijohnson> as I mentioned in the SU doc, I don't think it's necessarily the autoimport, because with the removal of that it still took a long time to boot, suggesting that there's something else that needs lots of entropy from 2.44 in early boot
[13:33] <pedronis> ijohnson: I think really early boot was probably "snap auto-import", after that I would say any snap service
[13:34] <pedronis> because of the implied snap run
[13:34] <pedronis> ijohnson: the syslog thing would tell us for sure
[13:34] <ijohnson> I see you have a branch in the SU doc, shall I try that one?
[13:35] <pedronis> ijohnson: yes, that's the real fix I would do for 2.44 , if it still works
[13:35] <pedronis> it might not, depending
[13:35] <ijohnson> should I do that before the syslog branch then?
[13:35] <ijohnson> in any case, probs won't get results til after SU, I have to re-reserve the system
[13:36] <pedronis> ijohnson: I thought you needed help for the syslog one, whatever order works best for you
[13:37] <ijohnson> well for the syslog branch if I add that with the removal of the autoimport, the system does eventually boot, so I think we should be able to get the data there, it just will take a while
[13:38] <pedronis> ijohnson: ah, yes combining would work well, we should be able to see what is the first requester
[13:38] <pedronis> knowing that otherwise it would be one of the auto-import
[13:39] <ijohnson> yes, but I also need to turn on persistent logs, because I noticed from the auto-import system journal logs I added to the SU doc that they didn't go all the way back
[13:39] <pedronis> ok
[13:40] <pedronis> ijohnson: anyway as I said in the SU doc, it's good we have likely a fix, but it would be also good to understand the full problem because other it might get back later
[13:40] <pedronis> ijohnson: also mvo is pursuing seeing if the kernel can help, because we control snapd, but other things might start wanting entropy early
[13:44] <mup> PR snapcraft#2988 opened: tests: add two more workers to the 18.04 systems <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2988>
[14:00] <mup> PR snapd#8308 opened: tests: umount partitions which are not umounted after remount gadget <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8308>
[14:57] <ijohnson> pedronis: still waiting for that syslog change + no autoimport to boot, been like 20 minutes now so it should be any minute now, but it also could be racy that the no autoimport change from yesterday booted :-/
[15:05] <pedronis> ijohnson: worse case we can mix my full fix and logging
[15:07] <ijohnson> yes
[15:07] <pedronis> ijohnson: I can propose something if you want
[15:07] <ijohnson> if you want to sure, but I think I'll give it some more time
[15:30] <pedronis> ijohnson: https://github.com/pedronis/snappy/tree/randutil-syslog-fixed-sim-2.44
[15:38] <ijohnson> pedronis: yeah the boot failed, I gave up on it, I'm gonna retry one more time
[15:38] <ijohnson> then I'll try your branch
[16:10] <pedronis> pstolowski: fyi #8277 is now green and I have applied your comments
[16:11] <mup> PR #8277: asserts,o/devicestate: support model specified alternative serial-authority <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8277>
[16:11] <pstolowski> pedronis: ok
[16:29] <ijohnson> it would be great to land #8308 asap, since a number of open PR's are hitting the issued fixed there
[16:29] <mup> PR #8308: tests: umount partitions which are not umounted after remount gadget <⚠ Critical> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8308>
[16:47] <mup> PR snapd#8308 closed: tests: umount partitions which are not umounted after remount gadget <⚠ Critical> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8308>
[16:55] <mup> PR snapd#8309 opened: o/configcore: implement Apply method for early configuration of core <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8309>
[17:17] <abeato> ijohnson, hey, iptables is not included in the core20 snap, is that a bug?
[17:18] <abeato> ijohnson, firewall-control gives permissions to use it
[17:18] <ijohnson> abeato: yes sounds like a bug, perhaps xnox can fix that easily
[17:19] <ijohnson> core20 is also on github if you wanted to take a look you're self and file a MP
[17:19] <ijohnson> abeato: https://github.com/snapcore/core20
[17:19] <abeato> ijohnson, thanks, I'll create an issue there
[17:24] <mup> Issue core20#27 opened: iptables is missing <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/issue/27>
[17:30] <xnox> hm https://github.com/snapcore/core20/issue/27 is 404 for me?!
[17:31] <mup> Issue core20#27: iptables is missing <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/issue/27>
[17:31] <xnox> oh
[17:31] <xnox> can we fix mup?
[17:31] <xnox> it needs to be "issues" not "issue"
[17:33] <ijohnson> xnox: I've mentioned it before to niemeyer
[17:34] <niemeyer> We can.. I've been working on mup in the last couple of weeks.. that will certainly be addressed
[17:35] <niemeyer> I'm replacing the whole database backend.. that's why it's taking a bit.. apologies for that
[18:06] <mup> PR snapd#8310 opened: randutil: ask for less entrop during boot  <⚠ Critical> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8310>
[18:20] <mup> PR snapcraft#2989 opened: tests: only run catkin based snap on 16.04 <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2989>
[19:39] <cachio> mvo, hey, is cloud init PR already merged?
[19:39] <cachio> mvo, or it is #8299 ?
[19:40] <mup> PR #8299: devicestate,sysconfig: support "cloud.cfg.d" in uc20 for grade: dangerous <Squash-merge> <UC20> <⛔ Blocked> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8299>
[19:43] <ijohnson> cachio: #8278 was merged, but that just disables cloud-init for uc20, 8299 as you see is the PR which supports cloud-init from the ubuntu-seed partition
[19:44] <mup> PR #8278: devicestate: disable cloud-init by default on uc20 <UC20> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8278>
[19:45] <cachio> ijohnson, any idea when it is going to be merged?
[19:45] <cachio> because the user assertion alternative is taking to much time
[19:45] <ijohnson> cachio: I think it is close, afaik just needs pedronis to approve the new dir
[19:46] <ijohnson> cachio: although maybe we need to wait for the cloud folks to approve the new dir location, not sure
[19:46] <cachio> ijohnson, ah, ok
[19:46] <ijohnson> i.e. rharper and company
[20:08] <mvo> cachio: unfortunately not yet, it pending
[20:11] <mup> PR snapd#8311 opened: randutil: don't consume kernel entropy at init, just mix more info to try to avoid fleet collisions <Squash-merge> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8311>
[20:11] <pedronis> mvo: ijohnson: ^
[20:11] <ijohnson> thanks looking now
[20:13] <mvo> pedronis: \o/
[20:13] <mvo> pedronis: looking
[20:18] <mvo> pedronis: added a small question, looks very good
[20:19] <pedronis> mvo: I answered
[20:20] <mvo> pedronis: aha, so seed is cumulative? it does not reset the state of the crng (sorry if that is a stupid question)?
[20:20] <pedronis> mvo: the contrary, it resets it
[20:20] <pedronis> but we use a value derived from the old one to make the new one
[20:21] <mvo> pedronis: aha, of course, sorry, misread the code. makes perfect sense
[20:22] <pedronis> mvo: and to be clear I'm not doing all this in init because I don't want by chance to slow down snap run
[20:22] <pedronis> which shouldn't care
[20:22] <mvo> pedronis: +1
[20:38] <pedronis> mvo: cachio: I don't we should be blocked on the cloud people, they just need to be aware of the slightly different location, the other one was anyway different from 16/18
[20:38] <pedronis> *I don't think
[20:38] <pedronis> mvo: cachio: but I need to re-review it, which I will first thing Monday
[20:39] <cachio> sure
[20:39] <cachio> pedronis, is it any way to workaroud it while I am testing the new smoke suite executen in a nested uc20?
[20:40] <cachio> pedronis, I mean, using cloudinit
[20:40] <mvo> pedronis: thanks, enjoy your weeknd
[20:42] <pedronis> mvo: I'm still around, waiting for the other results, but I don't think I can reviews right now
[20:53] <mup> PR snapd#8310 closed: randutil: ask for less entropy during boot  <Squash-merge> <⚠ Critical> <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8310>
[23:27] <mup> PR snapcraft#2989 closed: tests: only run catkin based snap on 16.04 <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2989>


[02:34] <barf> gopp: samba
[17:46] <ph> hi
[17:48] <ph> anyone knows how to set up a ldap-server with gosa? is there a meta-package?