[02:46] <_mup_> juju/scale-test r542 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:46] <_mup_> json EVERYWHERE, feasible ;-)
[05:19] <ihashacks> anyone else getting "agent-state: start-error" on the puppet/puppetmaster charms?
[05:21] <ihashacks> Pretty sure it is because of this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/982903/
[14:51] <SpamapS> ihashacks: well done, that is a problem, fixing now
[14:54] <SpamapS> ihashacks: fixes pushed as charm revision 7. an 'upgrade-charm --force' should give you the new charm, and then you can try 'juju resolved --retry puppet/1'
[15:31] <carroarmato0> hello, I'm very interested in getting to know juju and try it out, however, I don't have an Amazon account. Is it possible to try out juju on a stand alone remote server?
[15:48] <ihashacks> SpamapS: YAY! glad to be of service :-P
[15:53] <ihashacks> actually, now I have "relation-errors" and a boat load of hook.output ERROR messages - I'll destroy-environment and start fresh to be safe.
[17:34] <ihashacks> SpamapS: "relation-errors" stick around even after a full destroy-environment http://paste.ubuntu.com/983956/
[19:14] <SpamapS> ihashacks: reading
[19:16] <SpamapS> ihashacks: heh.. looks like the puppet charm was pretty badly broken. ;) Another major fix coming
[19:27] <SpamapS> niemeyer: Hey, I just noticed the charm at lp:charms/ubuntu did not make it into the charm store.
[19:27] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Hmm..
[19:27] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Heya
[19:27] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Let me see if I can tell what went wrong without Tom's help
[19:27] <SpamapS> niemeyer: would be good if the log was exposed somewhere
[19:28] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Yeah, sorry about that.. it's all in the database, just not in the API yet
[19:28] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Will fix it ASAP
[19:29] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Erm.. charms/ubuntu?
[19:29] <niemeyer> SpamapS: That URL doesn't look right
[19:29] <SpamapS> its there on launchpad
[19:29] <SpamapS> and jujucharms.com
[19:30] <SpamapS> points to https://code.launchpad.net/~charmers/charms/precise/ubuntu/trunk
[19:30] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Oh, ok.. you mean cs:precise/ubuntu then
[19:30] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Is that an official charm?
[19:30] <SpamapS> right
[19:31] <SpamapS> yes.. deploys a blank server
[19:31] <niemeyer> Cool
[19:31] <niemeyer> {"cs:precise/ubuntu":{"revision":0,"errors":["entry not found"]}}
[19:31] <SpamapS> hm
[19:32] <SpamapS> should I try just bumping revision to 1?
[19:32] <SpamapS> actually, revision is 1 in the branch
[19:33] <niemeyer> SpamapS: No, this looks like something else
[19:33] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Is there a symbolic link?
[19:34] <SpamapS> no symlinks
[19:34] <niemeyer> SpamapS: The message is not very helpful indeed
[19:34] <SpamapS> one thing.. bzr spits out extra stuff because it thinks it might be an Ubuntu packaging branch
[19:34] <niemeyer> SpamapS: We may need Tom's help to see what else went wrong
[19:34] <SpamapS> Using saved parent location: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~charmers/charms/precise/ubuntu/trunk/
[19:34] <SpamapS> Most recent Ubuntu version: MISSING
[19:34] <SpamapS> not sure if that would confuse the import code
[19:36] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Oh, hold on
[19:36] <niemeyer> SpamapS: This error is generated when the store didn't find the charm indeed
[19:36] <niemeyer> SpamapS: It doesn't say why
[19:36] <niemeyer> SpamapS: We need to look at the events collection to see why
[19:36] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Which is where the bundling errors are
[19:39] <niemeyer> SpamapS: I'll try to bundle it locally with the Go port to see if I can detect any issues
[19:43] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Nope, all good too
[19:46] <niemeyer> SpamapS: We'll need Tom really
[19:47] <SpamapS> niemeyer: Ok, should we just open an RT?
[19:47] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Not sure.. we'll probably have to grab him live
[20:14] <_mup_> Bug #998542 was filed: Status Output to SVG Fails When Environment Name Contains - <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/998542 >
[20:31] <marcoceppi> Writes a blank Ubuntu charm to be cliever, BREAKS ALL THE THINGS
[20:48] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: FYI, this is no-snark-saturday... you're doing it wrong
[20:55] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: back home yet?
[22:06] <SpamapS> argh.. hostnames and ips and goblins, oh my


[05:01] <mmcc> back
[08:14] <mandel> morning all!
[08:20] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :-D
[11:28] <gatox> good morning
[12:05] <mandel> gatox, morning, I was doing reviews and I had a question in one of them
[12:06] <mandel> gatox, can you check if the mp is still valid?
[12:11] <gatox> mandel, which one?
[12:11] <alecu> hello, all!
[12:12] <gatox> alecu, hi
[12:12] <mandel> gatox, https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/u1-cp-publishapi/+merge/128316
[12:12] <mandel> alecu, hello
[12:13] <mandel> alecu, shall we go after neil once I've had lunch?
[12:15] <gatox> mandel, yes, that is necessary or you are going to be able to see the list and publish files only once
[12:15] <gatox> mandel, as mike says in his comment
[12:16] <mandel> ok
[12:16] <gatox> mandel, i forgot to add it in the description, so he added in his comment
[12:17] <alecu> mandel: seems he's having lunch right now, so go ahead, and have lunch yourself
[12:18] <mandel> alecu, ok, although I have to wait 30 min for the food to be ready :P
[12:38] <ralsina> morning!
[12:38] <gatox> ralsina, hi
[12:39] <ralsina> hello gatox! How's the sync indicator going?
[12:40] <gatox> ralsina, good..... i'm going to propose the branch to get the sync status always in sync (between syncdaemon, cp and the menu)..... and then start debugging the new shares bug
[12:40] <ralsina> gatox: awesome
[12:40] <ralsina> gatox: keep in mind that if we do pass some level of QA for this, it may get into Q
[12:41] <mandel> ok, lunch time for me
[12:42] <gatox> ralsina, yes, although.... most of the things marked as red are just not implemented yet.... because of some limitations that we had before
[12:42] <ralsina> gatox: yes, and those we need to be clear about it and that's it
[12:43] <gatox> ralsina, cool
[12:43] <ralsina> gatox: since we have a micro release exception, we can even get those in a STU
[12:43] <ralsina> SRU
[12:44] <gatox> ralsina, even if we need new strings for them?
[12:45] <ralsina> gatox: *maybe*. Ok, no.
[12:45] <gatox> :(
[13:27] <ralsina> facundobatista, alecu: I am trying to fix bug #1064673 and it turns out that we already have in u1-client an OrderedDict class. It's in syncdaemon/hash_queue.py so.. it's evil if I import it from platform/sync_menu/linux.py  right? So the "right" thing to do is refactor it somewhere else... any ideas where? Alternatively,  I can  just use twisted's ordereddict and maybe tweak the code slightly
[13:32] <alecu> ralsina: looks like the shorter route is importing from sd/hq.py, so you can use that if you open a bug and we fix that after releases.
[13:33] <ralsina> alecu: ok
[13:33] <ralsina> alecu: but since this is for trunk, I don't much care about releases
[13:33] <ralsina> alecu: so we can fix it "right" the 1st time :-)
[13:34] <facundobatista> ralsina, and in the future both will go away, when we could use stdlib one
[13:35] <ralsina> facundobatista: ok, if both say using hq.py is right...
[13:35] <alecu> facundobatista: you are looking waaaay into the future. Like 2017!
[13:35] <facundobatista> alecu, no, a couple of months, why?
[13:35] <ralsina> alecu: the last supported distro with 2.6 dies in april
[13:35] <alecu> ralsina: if you don't care about releases, then refactoring sounds like the best option.
[13:36] <alecu> ralsina, facundobatista: awesome then!
[13:36] <ralsina> alecu: and this code never will make it back to lucid
[13:37] <ralsina> alecu, facundobatista: ok, where do random helper classes live in u1-client? Is there a utils.py? A tools.py? ;-)
[13:38] <alecu> ralsina: ubuntuone/syncdaemon/utils.py ?
[13:41] <ralsina> alecu: but I can't import from syncdaemon into platform, can I?
[13:41] <ralsina> I don't want to do nasty things :-/
[13:45] <alecu> ralsina: you are soooo right. We are only doing it once, and it's on new code.
[13:52] <alecu> oh, ralsina is back
[13:52] <alecu> ralsina: you are soooo right. We are only doing it once, and it's on new code.
[13:52] <ralsina> alecu: I am just using the twisted OrderedDict, it seems to require no code modification
[13:52] <alecu> ralsina: great then.
[13:53] <ralsina> alecu: and maybe I should fix that import too
[13:54] <alecu> ralsina: it's this line: ubuntuone/platform/tools/perspective_broker.py:from ubuntuone.syncdaemon.utils import get_sd_bin_cmd
[13:55] <ralsina> alecu: ok, that doesn't sound easy to fix :-)
[13:55] <alecu> ralsina: sorry, no... there are a couple of them...
[13:55] <alecu> ralsina: and all sound as complicated
[13:55] <ralsina> alecu: because it means we do need a place where to put convenience stuff that's outside syncdaemon
[13:56] <alecu> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1271186/
[13:56] <alecu> ralsina: right!
[13:56] <alecu> ralsina: so, nevermind for now.
[13:56] <ralsina> or declare utils.py an exception to that rule
[13:59] <ralsina> neverminding immediately
[14:11] <mandel> alecu, I'm back we can talk with neil when ever you want
[14:36] <mmcc> Hi people
[14:38] <ralsina> Hello mmcc!
[14:39] <ralsina> mmcc: quick update on things-that-happened-early I got a report that the cloud-to-computer page hangs, and lisette doesn't like so many icons
[14:42] <mandel> mmcc, I have been doing reviews of the daemon code and I have a question in one of the MPs that blocks a number of them, can you take a look when possible?
[14:42] <mmcc> mandel, ok I'll look
[14:43] <mmcc> ralsina: thanks, I got an email from lisette. :( about the cloud-to-computer hang… will look in a minute
[14:43] <ralsina> mmcc: cool
[14:44] <lisettte> mmcc: you want my logs?
[14:44] <mmcc> lisettte: yes, that'd be helpful, thanks
[14:58] <mmcc> mandel: about the empty main in JenkinsFSEvents - it looks like you added that in a separate branch. (https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-fsevents-daemon/jenkins-daemon-main-2 ) jenkins-daemon-main hasn't been proposed yet, because I think you hadn't quite finished it yet
[14:59] <mandel> mmcc, oh.. ok, then I'll approve :)
[14:59] <mmcc> mandel: while you're looking at those, can you look at jenkins-daemon-main and tell me if it's ready to propose or not?
[15:00] <thisfred> me
[15:00] <ralsina> me
[15:00] <gatox> me
[15:00] <mandel> me
[15:00] <briancurtin> me
[15:01] <mmcc> me
[15:01] <ralsina> alecu: standup
[15:01] <ralsina> ok, alecu is last, thisfred go!
[15:01] <thisfred> DONE: lots of small u1db bugs TODO: fix u1db playlist migration BLOCKED: no NEXT: ralsina
[15:01] <alecu> oh, hello
[15:01] <ralsina> DONE: fixing bug #1064673, fixed bug #1063904, <motley crue> calls calls calls </motley crue>, reviews, staff interviews, helped around TODO: finish that bug, fix one other maybe, help mmcc wrap mac release BLOCKED: tests in u1-client are killing me NEXT:  gatox
[15:01] <gatox> DONE:
[15:01] <gatox> Branch for sync menu getting out of sync status proposed. Debugging new shares problem.
[15:01] <gatox> TODO:
[15:01] <gatox> Figure it out what is going on with new shares. Keep looking at sync menu and shares tab bugs.
[15:01] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[15:01] <gatox> No
[15:02] <gatox> mandel, go
[15:02] <mandel> DONE: Got internet connection changed to fiber. Reviews, reviews, reviews..
[15:02] <mandel> TODO: Talk with neil and alecu, we have to land this things asap.
[15:02] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[15:02] <mandel> briancurtin, please
[15:02] <briancurtin> DONE: more debugging and fiddling, py2exe'd everything but havent tested with it yet, poke around jenkins with no luck
[15:02] <briancurtin> TODO: test py2exe'd setup, switching gears to fix some test failures in SSO and SD, get jenkins back online
[15:02] <briancurtin> NEXT: mmcc
[15:02] <mmcc> DONE: reviews, DMG setup, QA build, sync menu stuff
[15:02] <mmcc> TODO: cloud-computer rebug, rebuild dist, sync menu
[15:02] <mmcc> BLOCK: no
[15:02] <alecu> DONE: split of dash branches
[15:02] <alecu> TODO: talk with mandel and neil, get them landed
[15:02] <alecu> BLOCKED: no
[15:03] <alecu> mandel: ohai, I just saw your message above.
[15:03] <alecu> mandel: let's try to mumble with neil
[15:03] <mandel> alecu, sure :)
[15:04] <ralsina> comments? If not, EOM
[15:05] <gatox> ralsina, mandel could you review this? https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-client-syncstate/+merge/128958
[15:05] <ralsina> gatox: I'm on it
[15:05] <gatox> ralsina, thx
[15:05] <mandel> gatox, asap
[15:06] <gatox> mandel, :D
[15:13] <ralsina> gatox: +1 but without running the tests because they take way too long here
[15:14] <gatox> ralsina, mandel btw.... just to let you know..... is kind of weird that in change_sync_status we are not using *args and just creating some other variable for the connection state...... but the args there are nothing useful
[15:22] <vila_> mmcc: testing u1-121009, all clear so far :)
[15:23] <vila_> mmcc: looks like even bug #1062415 has been fixed ?
[15:28] <mmcc> vila_: nothing changed explicitly to fix that…
[15:32]  * gatox lunch
[15:37] <ralsina> vila_: we may have fixed it by accident :-)
[15:37] <ralsina> alecu, gatox_lunch: small review which took a very long time to verify ;-) https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-client/2-6-or-die/+merge/128979
[15:39] <gatox_lunch> ralsina, why is that?
[15:39]  * gatox_lunch is the one to blame for the previous code
[15:39] <gatox_lunch> i want to know what was wrong :S
[15:40] <alecu> gatox_lunch: from collections import OrderedDict is from python 2.6
[15:40] <alecu> gatox_lunch: I mean, it does not work on 2.6
[15:41] <alecu> gatox_lunch: and the client-server tests run on lucid, which has 2.6 as a default
[15:41] <gatox_lunch> ahhhhhh i didn't realize that..... sorry about that
[15:41] <alecu> gatox_lunch: also nightlies get packaged for lucid
[15:41] <alecu> gatox_lunch: never mind! nobody remembers poor lucid anymore :-(
[15:51] <vila> ralsina, mmcc: Ok, I'll leave the bug open for now (and an eye as well ;)
[16:24] <mandel> gatox_lunch, I'm not blocking the branch for a little refactoring in the tests, but please take a look at my comment in https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-client-syncstate/+merge/128958
[16:24] <mandel> gatox_lunch, you can reduce the amount of code you have and test the same
[16:24]  * mandel does not like to type because his fingers are fat
[16:33] <mandel> well, EOD for me, catch you all tom!
[16:35] <ralsina> mmcc, lisettte: how about this -- remove the license file, add a link to the license in the README, make sure the README is very far way from the thing-to-drag and the apps folder
[16:35] <ralsina> mmcc, lisettte: then we get some user feedback after the beta
[16:36] <gatox> mandel, looking.....
[16:36] <chaselivingston> ralsina: just saw this conversation, but I like that idea
[16:36] <mandel> gatox, the use of the namedtuple was just for fun, look at the last setence :P
[16:36] <lisettte> ralsina: i would prefer to have no fancy backgrounds
[16:37] <ralsina> lisettte: but it's PRETTY!!!! ;-)
[16:37]  * ralsina stomps feet
[16:37] <lisettte> ralsina: it is not if there is more than one thing on it
[16:38] <ralsina> lisettte: ok, plan C: why is it important that the user sees the README?
[16:38] <mmcc> I like having the link to /applications , because without that and the cue to drag it, people do run the app from within the dmg, and then they get confused/upset when they reboot and the app disappeared
[16:38] <lisettte> ralsina: because it is a beta?
[16:38] <mmcc> ralsina: lisettte didn't ask for the README, it's my construction :) it's not important, in fact I suggested only having the license
[16:39] <mmcc> (the app disappears because DMG's don't get auto-remounted on startup)
[16:40] <chaselivingston> i definitely think the visual of the drag to the apps folder is important
[16:40] <ralsina> lisettte, mmcc: then remve the license and the readme
[16:40] <lisettte> ralsina: i am happy to have the fancy background if we only have the app in there
[16:40] <ralsina> lisettte: it's a beta, and every downloader will know it's a beta
[16:40] <mmcc> if we can remove the license file then we're set
[16:40] <ralsina> consensus, me loves
[16:40] <ralsina> mmcc: yes we can
[16:40] <ralsina> mmcc: also, what about the hidden files/folders are those necessary?
[16:41] <mmcc> si se puede!
[16:41] <mmcc> ralsina: yes, those are unavoidable but most people don't have that setting on
[16:41] <ralsina> mmcc: perhaps not on this one, but in the next one, we can make sure on first run the user gets the license page in the wizard
[16:41] <mmcc> ralsina: yes
[16:41] <ralsina> ok then, that's it
make it so</picard>
[16:41] <lisettte> mmcc: can we try the icons at 128px?
[16:44] <mmcc> lisettte: sure
[16:44] <lisettte> mmcc: excellent
[16:44] <lisettte> mmcc: could you ping me a screenshot of that?
[16:45] <mmcc> while we're all talking packaging, should it be "UbuntuOne.app" or "Ubuntu One.app"? that was always temporary, and I don't think I ever asked
[16:45]  * mmcc really should've asked sooner
[16:49]  * mmcc building, will send screenshot in a minute
[16:49] <chaselivingston> mmcc: i vote for Ubuntu One.app
[16:49] <chaselivingston> since that's how the service is marketed elsewhere
[16:51] <ralsina> mmcc: with the space
[16:52] <ralsina> we are a modern team that doesn't shy away from files with spaces in their names, even if they are reported as bugs in launchpad over and over again
[16:52] <mmcc> we probably don't have to worry about mac users complaining about spaces :)
[16:53] <ralsina> Üßúñtù Ôñê
[16:54]  * gatox is afraid of ralsina 's message..... too much unicode chars
[16:54] <ralsina> ©hí¢kêñ
[16:55] <mmcc> 🎃
[16:55] <gatox> ok..... the one from mmcc i can't even see it
[16:55] <ralsina> me neither
[16:56] <ralsina> 💩
[16:56] <mmcc> 🎉 I win! 🎉
[16:56] <ralsina> Mine is in no font I guess :-)
[16:57] <mmcc> 🎃 is "JACK-O-LANTERN Unicode: U+1F383 (U+D83C U+DF83), UTF-8: F0 9F 8E 83"
[16:57] <gatox> jejeejeje
[16:57] <ralsina> Mine is "PILE OF POO"
[16:57] <briancurtin> unicode rules
[16:57]  * gatox see a lot of white squares.... maybe i'm not feeling very well..... i should ask for a sick day
[16:57] <gatox> jejeje
[16:58] <ralsina> gatox: 'LOVE HOTEL' (U+1F3E9) 🏩
[16:59] <gatox> unicode...... because using a lot of common chars to do ascii art was too mainstream
[16:59] <gatox> :P
[17:01] <alecu> hehehe... gatox: you need to use a unicode abiding irc client!
[17:01] <alecu> ok, it's time for lunch and some errands.
[17:01] <alecu> ttyl!
[17:05] <elopio> ralsina, briancurtin, are we having a windows installer for testing today?
[17:06] <ralsina> elopio: looks like our jenkins is still down. Maybe briancurtin can do a quick one?
[17:07] <ralsina> briancurtin: if at all possible, please create a build and give it to elopio so we know what we need to fix on windows
[17:14] <briancurtin> ralsina: will do, i'll create the installer manually since i havent heard back about jenkins yet from sidnei (nor do i know how to fix the issue, yet)
[17:16] <ralsina> briancurtin: we need to spread the knowledge on how to reset that box a bit further. See that you figure it out and then do a wiki page one of these days please.
[17:17] <briancurtin> ralsina: yep, once i get the info i'll have it written down so we don't always depend on sidnei
[17:18] <mmcc> ugh, my irc client has an off-by-one error in its contextual menu code. tried to close a different room :\
[17:18] <mmcc> lisettte: I just emailed you a screenshot with 128px icons. looks great
[17:18] <mmcc> ralsina: you'll be happy to hear that I figured out how to get PNG screenshots instead of TIFFS :)
[17:18] <ralsina> mmcc: yay
[17:19] <ralsina> mmcc: welcome to the 90s! ;-)
[17:19] <lisettte> mmcc: looks fantastic indeed!
[17:19] <mmcc> ralsina: funny you should say that, as I am currently BLASTING No Doubt's "Tragic Kingdom" in a bout of severe nostalgia
[17:19] <lisettte> :)
[17:20] <ralsina> mmcc: hahaha
[17:20] <ralsina> mmcc: could be worse, could be Aqua
[17:20] <mmcc> ralsina: …and now it is
[17:20] <ralsina> hahaha
[17:20] <mmcc> next up, Aqualung
[17:21] <ralsina> I suggest aquabats
[17:21] <mmcc> For real, I've had "Pool Party" stuck in my head all morning.
[17:21] <mmcc> My daughter was watching that video earlier
[17:24] <chaselivingston> mmcc: got a few mins to look at my sd logs?
[17:24] <mmcc> chaselivingston: sure, what's the issue? I'm also looking at this re-bug about the cloud-computer page, but I can interleave
[17:25] <chaselivingston> mmcc: so I had Ubuntu One/Documents, but decided to move everything into ~/Documents and then select that folder to sync w/ u1
[17:25] <briancurtin> damn it. py2exe again. i need to pick up lunch, i'll make this installer after i'm back.
[17:25] <chaselivingston> mmcc: except nothing got uploaded
[17:26] <chaselivingston> mmcc: or at least it's not showing up on the website
[17:26] <chaselivingston> mmcc: https://pastebin.canonical.com/76234/
[17:27] <mmcc> chaselivingston: I'm looking now.
[17:27] <chaselivingston> mmcc: thanks
[17:28] <chaselivingston> mmcc: if there's nothing out of the ordinary in there, i have an idea of what might be happening i'd like to talk with you about
[17:28] <mmcc> thank god for QA. The remote folders re-bug is *another* packaging brain fart by yours truly - because this still hasn't actually merged, I didn't include it in the last build: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-control-panel/remote-folders-fix/+merge/126037
[17:29] <mmcc> chaselivingston: yowtch, that's a big log file. about what time am I looking at?
[17:29] <ralsina> mmcc: yay, the system works! :-)
[17:29] <chaselivingston> mmcc: i just searched "Documents" and scanned through, but it was yesterday sometime i believe
[17:30] <mmcc> chaselivingston: ok
[17:30] <ralsina> mmcc: that's missing a windows review, right?
[17:30] <mmcc> ralsina: yes
[17:30] <mmcc> that's the branch that sent poor briancurtin into 'running windows from source' hell
[17:31] <ralsina> mmcc: ok, so let's do that one manually, I guess
[17:31] <mmcc> ralsina: yeah, there are already two other manual merges, so what's one more
[17:32] <Chipaca> ralsina: ping?
[17:32] <mmcc> chaselivingston: so what is the state that the server shows? Is "Ubuntu One/Documents" still there or did that delete work?
[17:33]  * Chipaca is flooding ralsina's buffer elsewhere
[17:33] <chaselivingston> mmcc: that folder is gone, and it shows that I'm syncing ~/Documents, but it shows it as empty
[17:33] <mmcc> chaselivingston: ok
[17:35] <ralsina> mmcc: name for the released file? "ubuntuone-3.99.0-beta1.dmg"?
[17:35] <ralsina> or rather 4.0-beta1
[17:36] <gatox> ralsina, we have some problems with the new shares feature
[17:36] <ralsina> gatox: saw it
[17:36] <ralsina> gatox: if it's unimplementable, then we nix it
[17:36] <ralsina> gatox: BUT the messaging menu manages to do it so it's not unimplementable
[17:37] <gatox> ralsina, really?? it is activated by default?? because i just share a folder from another user with mine.... and i didn't recceive any message
[17:37] <mmcc> ralsina: which should it be? And the DMG can have spaces too, if we want to be modern. "Ubuntu One 4.0 beta 1"?
[17:37] <ralsina> gatox: we were removed from the messaging menu on Q already, IIRC
[17:37] <gatox> ah
[17:38] <ralsina> mmcc: hmmm ugly URL though
[17:38] <ralsina> mmcc, Chipaca: let's make it ubuntu-one-4.0-beta1.dmg
[17:39] <mmcc> ralsina: that sounds fine. so I take it the app itself should say that it's version 4.0-beta1 also? :)
[17:39] <ralsina> mmcc: yes
[17:39] <mmcc> onit
[17:39] <Chipaca> \o/
[17:41] <mmcc> so, the last few were "3.99.90", is this one really just "4.0"? not "4.00.00"? (I don't really understand our numbering scheme)
[17:41] <gatox> ralsina, so right now.... we should have all the things in green for the tests in the document.... and 3 not implemented
[17:41] <gatox> ralsina, i'm going to check the other bugs at the bottom to see if they are related to us
[17:42] <ralsina> mmcc: it's called "arbitrary" ;-)
[17:42] <ralsina> mmcc: on ubuntu it's 4.0.0
[17:42] <ralsina> so we could go that way, but what's the point of the extra 0
[17:43] <mmcc> shows we have measured it with very precise instruments
[17:47] <ralsina> so 4.0 is good enough. Makes us look sufficiently sciencey
[17:49] <gatox> ralsina, let me know when you have a couple of minutes so we can  have our 1-1, so i can tell you about the current state and discuss next steps
[17:54] <ralsina> gatox: if IRC is ok, now is good
[17:55] <gatox> ralsina, yep
[18:03]  * briancurtin back
[18:11] <briancurtin> i love when exceptions are raised with a code of 0 and a message that the operation completed sucessfully. COME ON.
[18:11] <briancurtin> (py2exe)
[18:22] <mmcc> ok, uploading a new .dmg with the remote folders fix confirmed to actually be in
[18:23] <mmcc> and the version bumps, name changes, icon resizing, etc
[18:24] <chaselivingston> mmcc: any luck w/ those logs?
[18:25] <mmcc> chaselivingston: not yet, looking again now
[18:26] <ralsina> briancurtin: if successful completion is an exception, the problem lies elsewhere
[18:31] <mmcc> chaselivingston: can you also paste your controlpanel.log from about the same time?
[18:31] <chaselivingston> mmcc: sure, one sec
[18:32] <chaselivingston> mmcc: https://pastebin.canonical.com/76241/
[18:42] <mmcc> chaselivingston: have you tried making ~/Documents a UDF in the past (UDF = synced folder outside of ~/Ubuntu One/)
[18:42] <chaselivingston> mmcc: i don't think so...
[18:42] <mmcc> the path is failing the 'validate syncdaemon path' step, and our code is ignoring the strings that syncdaemon generates to explain why :(
[18:43] <mmcc> chaselivingston: can you do an "ls -l ~" and paste or PM it to me, however you like?
[18:43] <chaselivingston> mmcc: where should I do that?
[18:43] <mmcc> chaselivingston: wherever, it's just going to list your home dir
[18:44] <mmcc> chaselivingston: alternatively, "cd ~" then "ls -l"
[18:44] <chaselivingston> mmcc: https://pastebin.canonical.com/76243/
[18:46] <mmcc> chaselivingston: thanks. no good clues there though (was hoping maybe it was a symlink or something unexpected)
[18:46] <chaselivingston> mmcc: hmmm
[18:49] <mmcc> chaselivingston: when you look at the folders tab in the app, does it show ~/Documents as one of the folders? your logs say it's a UDF already, just inactive. that should not have happened if this was the first time you tried to add it…
[18:50] <mmcc> chaselivingston: I'm wondering if you tried to add it twice and it didn't handle that well… (need to look at the code)
[18:50] <chaselivingston> mmcc: it does show it in the list of folders
[18:56] <mmcc> chaselivingston: and it's not checked, right? if you check it does it start syncing happily? I think that might be your fix, and the bug is that we let you pick a path you already had a UDF for in the first place
[18:56] <chaselivingston> mmcc: it is checked
[18:56] <chaselivingston> mmcc: actually hold on, maybe unchecking and rechecking fixed it
[18:58] <mmcc> chaselivingston:  when you tried to add it, you should've gotten an error dialog. I'm guessing it didn't show?
[18:58] <chaselivingston> mmcc: unchecking and rechecking asked if i wanted to merge the contents, but i don't think that showed when i first tried to add it
[18:59] <mmcc> chaselivingston: yeah, that's a different error
[18:59] <mmcc> er, not an error this time
[18:59] <mmcc> but it should've shown a legit error message earlier
[19:00] <chaselivingston> mmcc: hm, don't recall seeing one....
[19:00] <mmcc> well, that's not good. let's see if I can repro
[19:01] <chaselivingston> mmcc: hm, don't recall seeing one….
[19:01] <chaselivingston> whoops, not sure why that sent twice
[19:02] <mmcc> well, every time I try it, I get the error :\
[19:02] <mmcc> brb
[19:04] <chaselivingston> mmcc: the folder appears to be filling up online now though
[19:13] <mmcc> chaselivingston: that's good news. we'll have to keep an eye out for similar issues I guess
[19:13] <chaselivingston> mmcc: yeah, probably so
[19:14] <mmcc> oh I forgot to put this here: the new 4.0b1 dog: http://ubuntuone.com/5JEeVNjWqWXDj9XQPbrynP
[19:14] <chaselivingston> mmcc: downloading now :)
[19:14] <mmcc> or dmg, whatever. I like dogs, but I dislike autocorrect that I can't globally disable
[19:15] <mmcc> ralsina - that's the DMG, it has the folders fix, and it seems like maybe this UDF problem isn't reproducible… so we're looking alright for tomorrow as of now
[19:15] <ralsina> mmcc: yay!
[19:16] <ralsina> mmcc: now, I want you to create a gpg signature for it using the keys you have in launchpad
[19:18] <mmcc> ralsina: ok
[19:20] <ralsina> mmcc: then, go to http://rt.admin.canonical.com and look for RT 56640
[19:20] <mmcc> this will take a few minutes - I haven't needed to set up gpg on this mac yet
[19:21] <ralsina> mmcc: it's ok, we have hours. WHOLE HOURS.
[19:28] <mmcc> so ralsina, the key I have in launchpad has my gmail email addr, is that a problem? I can create & add a new one with the canonical addr , I assume
[19:32] <ralsina> no, as long as it's the one in launchpad, it should be ok
[19:33] <mmcc> cool
[19:57] <mmcc> ping ralsina, got my .sig, got the RT up.
[19:58] <mmcc> I encountered a bug in macGPGTools along the way, of course, or else it wouldn't be Working With Computers™!
[20:02] <briancurtin> bitrock hates their users. why on earth do they constantly change installation paths and registry keys?
[20:05] <gatox> eod here!
[20:05] <gatox> byeeeeeee
[20:13] <cjnf> Hi, I'm trying to use ubuntuone to sync an svn repo. ubuntuone is renaming some files making the repo useless - particularly 'current' gets renamed 'svn-eWfrhb'. Is there anything I can do about this?
[20:13] <mmcc> briancurtin: I stole your Parks n' Rec gif, hope you don't mind…
[20:14] <briancurtin> mmcc: take as needed for pain
[20:15] <mmcc> cjnf: I forget if SVN uses internal symlinks. that could cause a problem… Has anyone else tried syncing an SVN repo?
[20:16] <cjnf> mmcc: the renamed files have the right content. Not sure if they're symlinks - I'm on the darkside at the moment so cant check.
[20:17] <mmcc> cjnf: can you expand a little on what's happening? is it renaming files on the system you're syncing from or one you're syncing to? and is this the result of conflicts or something else?
[20:18] <ralsina> mmcc: ok, now you need to post the URLs to the dmg and the sig in the RT telling them to deploy it please
[20:18] <ralsina> mmcc: and then you go to u1-internal say "losa ping: I just posted an update on RT #XYZ please take a look"
[20:20] <slank> mmcc: we're usually listening here too
[20:21] <mmcc> slank ok, RT 56640 is updated - please take a look, and let me know if I need to ping elsewhere!
[20:22] <mmcc> btw, is losa an acronym?
[20:22] <slank> mmcc: I *think* it was launchpad operational system administrators. We prefer webops these days
[20:23] <mmcc> slank: thanks, noted
[20:24] <slank> mmcc: can you also include sigs/sums for those files?
[20:24] <cjnf> mmcc: I'm syncing two systems: one Ubuntu 12.04, the other WinXP. Files originated on Ubuntu. When I browse on one.ubuntu.com, the files have been renamed hence when I sync to WinXP the repo doesn't work. There are no changes in the Ubuntu files.
[20:24] <slank> mmcc: oh sorry, wasn't paying close attention. thanks
[20:25] <mmcc> slank: no problem, do you have everything you need? This is my first run through so I wouldn't be surprised if I missed something
[20:26] <ralsina> slank: sorry about the old-fashionedness :-)
[20:26] <slank> mmcc: I think that's it. I'll let you know. Hey, are you going to the Austin meetup tomorrow?
[20:27] <mmcc> slank: Nope, I live in San Diego since August… :)
[20:27] <slank> mmcc: ah! it's not *that* long of a drive.
[20:28] <mmcc> :o
[20:28] <mmcc> Not like "NY-LA" kind of long, I guess, no
[20:29] <mmcc> or Key West - Anchorage
[20:33] <cjnf> mmcc: It looks like a deliberate rename to me. The sync folder is: My Storage / ~/svn / stockportfolio / db - the files are renamed 'svn-uvwxyz'
[20:38] <mmcc> cjnf: ok, looking… so you have synced ~/svn/ as a separate folder using U1 - is it renaming all the files inside ~/svn/stockportfolio/db or just some?
[20:39] <slank> mmcc: I'm a little confused. there's already a (different) file with that name on the server.
[20:41] <cjnf> mmcc: Thanks very much for looking! Just two files being renamed - 'current' and something like 'current-txn' or maybe 'txn-current'. Eight other files in the dir are intact.
[20:48] <mmcc> cjnf: well, I don't know exactly what's going on here, but I suspect that syncing an SVN repo is not going to work well. lock files and file sync services don't interact well
[20:51] <cjnf> mmcc: fair enough. I don't want multi-user interaction just a backup really. I may try zipping the repos and syncing those. Thanks again for looking.
[20:54] <mmcc> cjnf: sure. I found a more definitive answer here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/31635/can-i-setup-an-svn-server-on-ubuntu-one
[21:15] <ralsina> mmcc: I am about to EOD, can you send me an email if any progress in the RT is made? I will pick it up when I start tomorrow
[21:16] <mmcc> ralsina: sure, will do
[21:22] <mmcc> lunch time
[21:48] <briancurtin> ralsina, elopio: well i have a windows installer built but its not useful, and because its not useful, i cant use itself to sync it to my u1...so, yeah, i guess i can give you a screenshot :/
[21:49] <briancurtin> another day of producing nothing of value. great.
[21:50] <elopio> briancurtin: :)
[21:50] <elopio> briancurtin: you let me know when you have an estimate date for the installer, and I'll schedule the testing.
[21:55] <briancurtin> elopio: yep, i'll let you know when it looks like it'll be usable
[21:55] <ralsina> briancurtin: happens when we don't test for that long. We'll start fixing it tomorrow, since we are done with the mac beta :-)
[21:56] <briancurtin> ralsina: whenever i do get back into more py3 stuff, i will make note to occasionally step back and check on windows every few days to catch this earlier
[22:07] <briancurtin> have to head to the pharmacy so i'm cutting out, see you guys tomorrow
[23:22] <mmcc> ok, heading out.


[00:35] <nexus7-noboot> hey
[00:35] <nexus7-noboot> anyone know why the final boot into touch on nexus 7 gets stuck on the Google load screen?
[00:39] <nexus7-noboot> join #ubuntu-touch
[00:39] <nexus7-noboot> who
[02:52] <r3pwn> Hey, can someone help me with a build real quick?
[05:42] <shootingiron> Hey there, i was thinking of buying a samsung s3 and running ubuntu on it, is that possible?
[05:42] <shootingiron> ... is there a place where i ca find out if it runs on that phone?
[05:46] <shootingiron> I'm really wondering if ubuntu phone is mature enough for me to use, i'm not a power user.
[08:27] <Barneyss> Hi, I have bandwith limit internet and I want to try Ubuntu-Touch, may u tell me how MB needs to download ? THANKS
[08:31] <Barneyss> I Find it, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/  It's about 400 MB ! WoW . Thanks Mr Self ;-) ,  np :D
[09:24] <flyankur> Hey, I just installed Ubuntu Touch on Nexus4. How do I access terminal & other core linux functionality on this ?
[10:06] <Shiggitay|Nexus5> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[10:07] <shiggitay> sorry... was cross device copy pasting
[11:18] <flyankur> Hey, I just installed Ubuntu Touch on Nexus4. How do I access terminal & other core linux functionality on this ?
[11:26] <ogra_> flyankur, either throug the terminal app (but there is currently a bug that breaks the emter key) or via adb
[11:44] <flyankur> ogra_: Thanks :)
[12:46] <fattest> is there a patch to fix calls/sms for Samsung galaxy s2
[14:42] <WebbyIT> I have a strange behavior with keys.onPressed, every time i press a button is evocated twice... Somone know from what might be causing this?
[14:46] <nik90> WebbyIT: link to code?
[14:47] <WebbyIT> nik90, calc app, you can try on trunk
[14:47] <nik90> WebbyIT: ah ok
[14:47] <WebbyIT> nik90, it's not a sdk bug, I tried on a 'clean' app
[14:49] <nik90> WebbyIT: so when you press a button on the keyboard, it is invoked twice?
[14:50] <MyNickisNicholas> Hello is there any one here that works on the reminders app or Ted Gould ?
[14:50] <WebbyIT> nik90, right, just add console.log('Pressed') on line 186 of SimplePage.qml
[14:51]  * nik90 is trying
[14:52] <nik90> WebbyIT: I dont have that issue
[14:53] <WebbyIT> nik90, ??? this is so weird!
[14:53] <WebbyIT> mhh, let me check a couple of things...
[14:56] <nik90> WebbyIT: by the way I noticed a minor issue. When you press on a key and that is received in one of the loops, you are supposed to set event.accepted = true to ensure that the event signal doesn't keep propogating
[14:56] <nik90> WebbyIT: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qml-keys.html
[14:56] <nik90> look at the sample code
[14:57] <MyNickisNicholas> mhall119: do you know of anyone that works on either the reminders app or the tracking-arch ?
[14:58] <nik90> MyNickisNicholas: contact David planella, michael zanetti who work on the reminders app
[14:58] <MyNickisNicholas> I am trying to make a click package and it is just not working.  the package builds and installs but is no where to be found on the phone
[14:58] <MyNickisNicholas> thanks nik90
[14:59] <nik90> MyNickisNicholas: also try on Monday, since no one is here on sunday
[14:59] <MyNickisNicholas> nik90: been trying to do this for 2 days I got so sick of trying to build from command line that I made a --click option to my app to build the click
[14:59] <MyNickisNicholas> it builds installs and what not but is no where to be found :(
[15:00] <nik90> MyNickisNicholas: are you referring to the reminders app or your own app?
[15:00] <MyNickisNicholas> my own app but I uses the "flow" of the reminders app to make the C++ to build the package
[15:00] <nik90> MyNickisNicholas: ah
[15:01] <MyNickisNicholas> aka copy the folders and what not and calling qprocess to call click build <myInstallDir>
[15:01] <nik90> MyNickisNicholas: If I remember correctly, they have a script which builds the package and then pushes it to the phone
[15:01] <MyNickisNicholas> yeah that is what I used there is a function in there to build it on the phone.  that is great but doe no good for me as end users can not do that
[15:02] <MyNickisNicholas> because they can not use apt and also because.  there is no qmake or anything like that installed
[15:02] <nik90> MyNickisNicholas: Since your question is specific to building that click package, contact mzanetti (michael zanetti) who created that script
[15:02] <MyNickisNicholas> ping mzanetti
[15:02] <nik90> MyNickisNicholas: but why would your users want to build a script? Won't you be distributing through the app store?
[15:02] <MyNickisNicholas> mzanetti: I dont know if you remember me I gave you zeroconf
[15:03] <nik90> I meant build a click package?
[15:03] <MyNickisNicholas> correct but I can not test my click because it is not working :( that is my full issue
[15:03] <WebbyIT> nik90, thanks
[15:04] <WebbyIT> nik90, YEAH, you saved my day: I addded a if/else on keysOnpressed and this caused the wrong behavior,
[15:04] <WebbyIT> nik90, I added event.accepted = true and now it's all ok :-)
[15:04] <WebbyIT> Thanks!
[15:05] <MyNickisNicholas> example: i take all my apparmor and desktop and plugins and qml files and copy them to a folder in my build dir called Install  I then  click build install  and it builds the click but once I install it installs to /opt/mypackageName    but it is not in the scopes of Unity8
[15:05] <nik90> WebbyIT: u r welcome :)
[15:05] <nik90> MyNickisNicholas: ok
[15:06] <MyNickisNicholas> adb push <myclick> /home/phablet/   ;   adb shell  ; su - phablet ; sudo click install  <my click>
[15:06] <nik90> makes snese
[15:06] <nik90> sense*
[15:06] <MyNickisNicholas> everything goes to opt but never shows up in the dang unity8 scopes
[15:07] <ogra_> MyNickisNicholas, you cant use "click install" like that ...
[15:07] <MyNickisNicholas> I have tried on 13.10 and 14.04 and built in chroot and it builds (debian package )
[15:07] <MyNickisNicholas> ogra_: Oo
[15:07] <MyNickisNicholas> pk-con ?
[15:08] <MyNickisNicholas> ogra_: how do I install a click on the phone ?
[15:08] <MyNickisNicholas> thank
[15:08] <ogra_> also use "sudo -i phablet -i " su has a different env than sudo
[15:08] <ogra_> pkcon install-local /path/to/*.click
[15:08] <MyNickisNicholas> ogra_: I should just use root ?
[15:08] <ogra_> no
[15:09] <MyNickisNicholas> phablet user ?
[15:09] <ogra_> click packages needs to be installed by the user
[15:09] <ogra_> yeah
[15:09] <MyNickisNicholas> cool
[15:09] <ogra_> as i said: sudo -u phabelt -i
[15:09] <MyNickisNicholas> I will try right now
[15:09] <ogra_> *phablet
[15:09] <ogra_> and then pkcon install-local ...
[15:09] <MyNickisNicholas> yeah I missed that sorry ogra_
[15:11] <MyNickisNicholas> ogra_: what is the outline(file stucture)  for a click n=know where I can get examples ?  like what should it look like under /opt/click/<myapp>   I am wondering if I hould build my click package from a chrooted debian package that I exstract or if I should just use the source code.
[15:12] <ogra_> uh, dunno, there is a wikipage somewhere on the ubuntu wiki
[15:12] <MyNickisNicholas> example: should I build the [package via chroot and sbuilder -> take deb package exstract it and use them files. Or should I just use what is in my build dir
[15:13] <ogra_> there is some way to cross compile click packages, but dont ask me how
[15:14]  * ogra_ has never packaged anything that needed compiling ... only webapps and some QML ones
[15:16] <MyNickisNicholas> ogra_: yeah cross compilation works great with cmake and sbuilder/chroot
[15:17] <ogra_> no, i mean via click
[15:17] <ogra_> there is some magic you can cand to the click build command
[15:17] <ogra_> s/canh/hand/
[15:19] <ogra_> (something with "click chroot")
[15:21] <MyNickisNicholas> ogra_: IT WORKED !!!!!
[15:22] <MyNickisNicholas> lets see if it launchs
[15:22] <MyNickisNicholas> ogra_: gets to be 1st alpha tester for my app ?    ......
[15:23] <MyNickisNicholas> it does not launch the app correctly but at least I am getting somewhere lol
[15:34] <MyNickisNicholas> ogra_: thanks again and also thanks again for hanging out with me in Copenhagen smoking "ciggs" and   talking to me about Ubuntu and debian there
[17:49] <wphate> hello
[20:33] <popey> Hm. Rotation seems broken in 124 on mako
[20:35]  * popey wonders what that's a bug in
[20:39] <popey> bug 1268372
[20:40] <daker> popey: i remember mhall119 saying that
[20:56] <mhall119> daker: it was broken on some earlier version, I have r121 on my phone right now and it works
[20:56] <mhall119> still broken on grouper afaik
[22:46] <popey> mhall119: do you know if it's possible / easy to flash back to previous version with system-image-cli? I can do it with phablet-flash..


[01:30] <mdke> bloody hell these translations are exhausting
[01:31] <mdke> we need some scripts next time
[01:37] <mdke> s/3/4
[03:45] <sman> hello
[03:47] <sman> after the partition manager loads the computer stops i've leftit on for days and it just stays on that screen
[04:02] <Guest_790> hey is anyone there?
[04:03] <Guest_790> im having trouble installing ubuntu on my toshiba
[04:03] <Guest_790> whenever the computer is trying to boot from the live cd or the install cd, the screen just turns black and nothing ever happens
[04:03] <Guest_790> anyone know why?
[04:05] <Guest_790> hello
[04:11] <Guest_790> ?
[04:11] <Guest_790> ?
[04:49] <mgalvin> Guest_790: this is not a support channel... try #ubuntu
[05:40] <jsgotangco> hi guys
[05:42] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco
[05:42] <jsgotangco> hey
[06:48] <rob> hmm, no one around?
[06:49] <jsgotangco> hi
[06:49] <rob> hi jsgotangco
[06:49] <LaserJock> so I'm around
[06:50] <rob> need a password reset on the svn..
[06:51] <jsgotangco> i dunno the process now, but if Im right, all requests are done with the RT
[06:51] <rob> RT?
[07:01] <LaserJock> rob: request tracker
[07:01] <rob> we have one of those now?
[07:01] <LaserJock> launchpad
[07:01] <jsgotangco> lp infrastructure
[07:02] <jsgotangco> sycns are now done with rt
[07:02] <rob> ah ok
[07:02] <rob> where in Launchpad is it?
[07:05] <rob> did I mention that I don't like launchpad?
[07:07] <jsgotangco> heh go rant at #launchpad instead
[07:08] <LaserJock> and they will say "We're working on it, you just need to wait"
[07:08] <rob> dam closed source junk
[07:10] <jsgotangco> im going to take a shower brb
[08:09] <LaserJock> hi Madpilot
[08:09] <Madpilot> hi LaserJock
[08:12] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: ping?
[08:15] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: yeah?
[08:15] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: just doing some writing, can you confirm if dselect is the one used during installation?
[08:16] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I'm pretty sure it is
[08:16] <jsgotangco> Merci monsieur LaserJock
[08:17] <LaserJock> I asked in -devel just to make sure ;-)
[08:21] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: ah, Mithrandir says that the text installer uses aptitude and not dselect
[08:21] <LaserJock> doh, I didn't see you were in -devel
[08:26] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: thanks, actually i knew its all aptitude, but i needed to make sure, dselect isnt one of the prettiest applications out there heh
[08:27] <jsgotangco> (but dselect is still part of the distro)
[08:28] <jsgotangco> so basically we use dpkg, apt, aptitiude
[08:29] <LaserJock> yeah, I used dselect a time or two back when I mess with Debian years ago
[08:30] <LaserJock> that is where I was thinking it used it
[08:30] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:30] <jsgotangco> although the Debian page doesn't recommend installing and doing a dist-upgrade using aptitude
[08:30] <jsgotangco> hrmmm
[08:31] <jsgotangco> must be an old page
[08:31] <LaserJock> aptitude installs Recommended packages by default
[08:31] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:32] <LaserJock> I can see where that could be interesting for dist-upgrades
[08:33] <jsgotangco> won't that add bloat unless the depends are cleverly done (ie, replace apps but not config files)
[08:36] <LaserJock> you just need to run it as aptitude -r and then it behaves lik apt-get
[08:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> is the 'quicktour' in /ubuntu/ in docteam svn?
[08:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> and i noticed trunk go quiet - is this because of stringfreeze?
[08:48] <Madpilot> yes, to both questions, as far as I know
[08:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i only see a quicktour for kubuntu.
[08:51] <Madpilot> hmm, you're right... I could have sworn the Ubuntu quicktour used to be in our SVN...
[08:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm just doing 'an australian translation' (changing color/colour ize/ise etc). and noticed a few 'hm' things
[08:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> so i wanted to look them up
[08:53] <Madpilot> into EN_au, eh?
[08:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh. am i stepping out of the closet ? :)
[08:54] <LaserJock> I think that the quicktour has been depreciated, perhaps
[08:54] <LaserJock> and string freeze doesn't apply to trunk
[08:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserJock, that could explain it
[08:56] <LaserJock> I thought I remember hearing that About Ubuntu replaced the quick tour
[08:56] <LaserJock> but I'm not positive
[08:56] <Madpilot> I know Corey has dropped quicktour - it was his project for Breezy
[08:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserJock, me to, but i saw it there, so i was wondering
[08:58] <LaserJock> the Kubuntu one?
[08:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh. sorry. i;ll say that again:
[08:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> i thought the quickguides were dropped, but i saw a kubuntu one in svn, and an ubuntu one up for translation, so i wondred
[08:59] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> brb
[09:03] <jsgotangco> En_AU heh...
[09:03] <LaserJock> I had no idea there were so many en_*
[09:04] <jsgotangco> if you get a form asking for your sex, in en_AU the choice would be bloke and sheila
[09:04] <LaserJock> I was making a chroot yesterday and watched them all the en_* be created
[09:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> theres only a dozen :P
[09:06] <LaserJock> how are those determined?
[09:06] <LaserJock> I mean what about a en_DE for people who speak english with a german accent? ;-)
[09:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe.
[09:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserJock, i dont know. they are all dialect, but how big a difference is a question. en_AU could easyily just be en_GB
[09:07] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:08] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: we actually have en_PH here (this is a predominantly english-speaking country)
[09:08] <jsgotangco> which is basically en_US
[09:09] <LaserJock> really? I wondered why all the filipino grad students in my department spoke such good english
[09:10] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: that is a heritage of our American colonial masters theh
[09:11] <LaserJock> well, I'm glad our colonial imperialism did some good ;p
[09:11] <crimsun> native US citizens tend to have abominable English. Pretty sad.
[09:11] <jsgotangco> sure we now have more fastfood chains that we ever need
[09:11] <jsgotangco> and Col. Sanders stands proud more than ever
[09:11] <LaserJock> crimsun: like me? hehe
[09:12] <crimsun> LaserJock: pretty much everyone including myself :)
[09:13] <jsgotangco> it runs in the blood lol
[09:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[09:14] <LaserJock> and now we are just about a colony of Mexico so I guess it has come back on us ;-)
[09:14] <jsgotangco> haha
[09:19] <Madpilot> for confusion, there's always en_CA, which can't decide whether it wants to be more like en_US or en_GB :P
[09:20] <Madpilot> currently we're going thru a "be more like en_GB" stage
[09:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. your in a hard place there ;) en_AU is trying to be everyones bitch
[09:21] <LaserJock> Madpilot: yeah, we got rid of the GB part much sooner. :-)
[09:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> ise > ize
[09:23] <LaserJock> lol
[09:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[09:23] <Madpilot> American spelling creates a terrible surplus of "u" ;)
[09:23] <LaserJock> I was helping with this Edubuntu School Advocacy pamphlet for British schools
[09:24] <Madpilot> all those words like colour & armour that they misspell
[09:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol Madpilot
[09:24] <LaserJock> it is sooo hard to get the ise vs. ize thing right
[09:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> then the poor DE people have to use them ;)
[09:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserJock, esp. for GB, becaues they care ;D
[09:25] <LaserJock> I just let the British guys figure out there own spelling ;-)
[09:25] <Madpilot> or their own spelling, perhaps? ;)
[09:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[09:27] <LaserJock> yeah, whatever. I'm american, I'm expected to be sloppy
[09:27] <LaserJock> but my mom would kill me if she saw my spelling on IRC sometimes
[09:27] <Madpilot> IRC isn't quite real, it doesn't really count
[09:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol ++
[09:28] <LaserJock> those stupid homonyms get me all the time :(
[09:29] <Madpilot> those are the ones that spillchuckers never catch either - proofreading still matters
[09:29] <LaserJock> I'm glad I had trappist and crimsun to straighten me out on the Packaging Guide
[09:30] <Madpilot> which reminds me, I should go thru the Xubuntu Desktop Guide this weekend - do a proofreading run
[09:30] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: is autopackage evil?
[09:31] <LaserJock> well, I haven't actually tried it, but from a MOTU perspective I don't think many of us are thrilled about it
[09:33] <LaserJock> we tend to not like to have people running software from multiple package systems
[09:34] <LaserJock> with our .deb repos we can know exactly what we are putting on the users computer and it has pretty extensive testing
[09:35] <jsgotangco> right, im actually reading year old ubuntu-traffic postings
[09:36] <dsas> Heh, I was reading year old ubuntu-devel stuff during dinnertime yesterday.
[09:36] <jsgotangco> pre -devel? it used to be sounder acutally
[09:36] <LaserJock> some people have expressed skepticism about the claim to be able to install apps on any Linux system
[09:36] <dsas> happened across the autopackage stuff then, it seemed it wasn't smiled upon....
[09:37] <dsas> Nah, I was reading about Hoary time I think, in which it case it was -devel.
[09:37] <LaserJock> we have a hard enough time with making Ubuntu packages work on Ubuntu :-)
[09:37] <jsgotangco> dsas: im doing a small article about package management systems for a local magazine, i had to list down the known ones, then their pros and cons
[09:37] <jsgotangco> there's also smart which is looming for eft
[09:39] <LaserJock> hmm, is there a wiki page or something about how to burn an iso so you can install Ubuntu?
[09:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> i thought there was 'a while back'
[09:42] <LaserJock> good night doc people, I'm off to bed
[09:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;ater mate
[09:43] <dsas> jsgotangco: http://www.licquia.org/archives/2005/03/27/autopackage-considered-harmful/ was pointed to in the discussions on ubuntu-devel I remember.
[09:43] <dsas> I remember mdz said that that article and the one linked was correct (but could've been put more nicely). Or something.
[09:44] <jsgotangco> thanks for the link
[09:48] <jsgotangco> brb
[10:16] <Madpilot> later all
[10:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol @ quit
[11:30] <mdke> morning
[11:33] <rob> hi mdke
[11:33] <rob> I want my password reset :)
[11:33] <mdke> rob: right yeah, I read in the scrollback.
[11:34] <mdke> rob: you said you were gonna send some patches!
[11:34] <rob> I hate patches
[11:35] <mdke> why?
[11:35] <rob> I just want to be able to sit down and start working when I get some time
[11:35] <rob> there isn't any rush of cause, just thought I'd mention it after that email on the list
[11:35] <mdke> rob: you can, doing a patch is as fast as: svn diff > patch.diff && mail to list.
[11:36] <mdke> anyway I can request a new account for you, but I'm keen to see you contributing again :)
[11:36] <rob> and kill a couple of birds with one stone
[11:38] <rob> oh, that reminds me, better check out the repo again (and leave it over night)
[11:39] <rob> I've been sticking my head into a few xubuntu bugs
[11:39] <rob> about time a decent xfce4 distro came along :)
[11:40] <rob> anyway, I'd better be off
[11:40] <mdke> bye, look forward to seeing you contribute again
[11:41] <rob> bye mdke, so do I
[03:25] <hybrid> ok can someone help me getting started with docs?
[03:25] <mdke> hybrid: absolutely. Did you see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam ?
[03:25] <hybrid> not thourghly
[03:25] <jsgotangco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam
[03:26] <hybrid> ty mdke and jsgotangco
[03:26] <jsgotangco> read it, its only 3 paragraphs
[03:26] <mdke> and then all the subsequent pages ;)
[03:27] <mdke> the first step is usually to grab our repository and play around
[03:27] <hybrid> yeah, i volunteered to help with the wiki, but i just dont know where to start
[03:28] <mdke> ah, for the wiki, we have a list of pages that need tidying up. It's at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryCleanup
[03:28] <mdke> just dive into something that interests you
[03:28] <hybrid> ok, so i just edit it, no proceedors i need to follow through first?
[03:29] <mdke> hybrid: we have a guide to wiki work at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiGuide
[03:29] <mdke> generally pages just need some help with making them easier to understand, or formatting help, and so on
[03:29] <hybrid> ok ty much
[03:30] <jsgotangco> but then its a wiki page, fill free to improve on it (don't delete or make sweeping changes)
[03:30] <mdke> np, welcome
[03:52] <WaterSevenUb> will the release notes be translatable?
[03:53] <mdke> i hope so
[03:54] <WaterSevenUb> ok. 5 days left right?
[03:54] <mdke> something like that
[03:54] <mdke> but the release notes aren't in the distribution, anyway
[06:24] <Bluekuja> mdke: ping
[06:24] <mdke> Bluekuja: pong
[06:25] <Bluekuja> I'm getting this error Premature end of data in tag article line 4, transforming xml file into html one
[06:25] <Bluekuja> line 4 is <article lang="en" id="FtpServerHowTo" status="draft">
[06:26] <mdke> what are you working on?
[06:26] <Bluekuja> i dont see any error inside that line
[06:27] <Bluekuja> but doing xsltproc i get that
[06:28] <robotgeek> Bluekuja: does the file validate?
[06:28] <mdke> Bluekuja: with docbook all the tags have to be in a certain order
[06:28] <Bluekuja> no, after that it says unable to parse
[06:29] <mdke> it's likely that you haven't got the order right
[06:29] <Bluekuja> so it doesnt validate it
[06:29] <mdke> try working on one of our files
[06:29] <robotgeek> Bluekuja: it would have told you expecting blah blah, got: blah blah
[06:30] <mdke> Bluekuja: in our repo, you'll see a script for validating docbook files: called validate.sh
[06:30] <Bluekuja> oh
[06:30] <Bluekuja> tell me more about it
[06:30] <mdke> you run it like this: ./validate.sh ubuntu/desktopguide/C/desktopguide.xml
[06:31] <mdke> and it tells you whether the file is valid docbook xml or not
[06:31] <mdke> and if not, why
[06:31] <Bluekuja> ok matt, just a moment i try it and put here the log
[06:31] <mdke> use a pastebin
[06:32] <Bluekuja> ok
[06:32] <Bluekuja> well, with validate.sh i get the same parse error of before
[06:33] <Bluekuja> Premature end of data at line 4
[06:33] <mdke> as I said, tags have to be in a certain order, are you sure you have a complete article file?
[06:34] <Bluekuja> I'm not sure about i have started it from the first line, it's not a copy
[06:34] <Bluekuja> *it
[06:35] <mdke> yeah, have a look at some existing files to see what you're doing wrong
[06:35] <Bluekuja> ok perfect
[06:41] <jeffsch> Bluekuja: your first 3 lines are probably something like this:
[06:41] <jeffsch> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
[06:41] <jeffsch> <!DOCTYPE article PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.3//EN"
[06:41] <jeffsch> 	"http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.3/docbookx.dtd" [] >
[06:42] <Bluekuja> jeffsch: yes
[06:42] <jeffsch> make sure you have the final ">"
[06:42] <Bluekuja> let me check
[06:42] <LaserJock> I prefer ~/ubuntu-doc/validate.sh desktopguide.xml ;-)
[06:42] <mdke> just to be different
[06:43] <Bluekuja> jeffsch: yes final > is there
[06:44] <jeffsch> fyi: validate.sh is nothing special, just a single line... xmllint --noout --xinclude --noent --postvalid $1
[06:44] <jeffsch> Bluekuja: hmm...
[06:46] <dsas> plus  20 lines of gpl.
[06:47] <jeffsch> haha. gpl of a command line :)
[06:47] <LaserJock> hehe, that was my fault :-)
[06:47] <jeffsch> Bluekuja: is that the only error you get? Premature end usually comes after some other error
[06:48] <mdke> Bluekuja: paste us the whole file
[06:49] <Bluekuja> it works!!
[06:49] <Bluekuja> great
[06:50] <Bluekuja> i didnt added the closing tag
[06:50] <Bluekuja> *add
[06:50] <Bluekuja> of article
[06:50] <mdke> right, every tag you open has to be closed
[06:51] <Bluekuja> yep
[06:51] <Bluekuja> well article one was at the end and maybe i didnt put it
[07:00] <Bluekuja> jeffsch,mdke: all it works now but the first title is duplicated
[07:00] <Bluekuja> there are 4 titles instead of one
[07:01] <jeffsch> Bluekuja: put your file in a pastebin so we can look at it
[07:01] <Bluekuja> oki
[07:04] <Bluekuja> jeffsch: http://pastebin.com/715543
[07:06] <jeffsch> Bluekuja: you are missing the []  in  "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.3/docbookx.dtd" [] >
[07:08] <Bluekuja> i'm getting the same title problem
[07:08] <Bluekuja> i corrected it
[07:09] <Bluekuja> do you see anything else?
[07:11] <jeffsch> Bluekuja: yes, your document does not validate
[07:12] <jeffsch> see the docbook docs for proper <title> tag usage
[07:13] <Bluekuja> let me check it
[07:14] <jeffsch> sorry, it's not the title tag... it's the article tag
[07:15] <Bluekuja> oh okie
[07:15] <jeffsch> ok, i found it...
[07:16] <jeffsch> you can have only one title tag in an article
[07:17] <Bluekuja> other ones are subtitles and so on  right?
[07:18] <mdke> you can have one title for an article, one for a section, etc
[07:18] <jeffsch> one title and one subtitle under the article tag
[07:18] <Bluekuja> oh okie
[07:18] <mdke> Bluekuja: as well as looking at our files, look at incoming/article-template.xml
[07:19] <jeffsch> after that, you should use sect1, sect2, etc
[07:19] <jeffsch> line 32, for eg <title>Methods Explanation</title>
[07:19] <jeffsch> should be <sect1>Methods Explanation</sect1>
[07:21] <Bluekuja> and near first option?
[07:21] <Bluekuja> leaving title will be ok?
[07:21] <mdke> jeffsch: <sect1><title>Methods Explanation</title> ...
[07:22] <jeffsch> oops
[07:22] <mdke> Bluekuja: look at that template, it is really good
[11:59] <Bluekuja> mdke: ping
[11:59] <mdke> Bluekuja: pong
[11:59] <Bluekuja> matt take a look here http://bluekuja.com/ftpserver.html
[11:59] <Bluekuja> put www in front
[12:00] <Bluekuja> it gives an error without^^
[12:00] <mdke> Bluekuja: I see it
[12:00] <Bluekuja> how it is?
[12:02] <mdke> Bluekuja: what aspect of it do you want feedback on? The format looks alright, although the section headings seem to be uneven
[12:02] <Bluekuja> yeah, i need to fix section headings
[12:03] <Bluekuja> well i think that would be a nice doc to put it
[12:03] <Bluekuja> *in
[12:03] <mdke> the links aren't working
[12:03] <Bluekuja> yep, i need to add them