[22:12] <jrgdnn12> Hello Everyone, I have a shuttle computer, dual cor processor, one of those intel integrated video, with DVI output. There is one PCI express slot available for a tuner card. Will this be able to handle a front/back end server application, plus another front end
[22:13] <dekarl> jrgdnn12: you might be better of over at #mythtv-users for such generic (non-mythbuntu-specific) questions.
[22:14] <jrgdnn12> great suggestion, thanks a lot dekar1


[11:41] <AdamH_> Good afternoon, daft question but how do I rotate the screen to portrait under mir? specifically I am looking to set the screen to portrait in mir-kiosk on Ubuntu Core
[12:44] <alan_g> AdamH_: you'd need to set the display configuration programmatically. Are "you" a program? Or what access do you have?
[12:46] <AdamH_> alan_g: Thanks I am building a snap on top of mir-kiosk, I couldn't see anything like xrandr on Ubuntu core to set orientation
[12:51] <alan_g> AdamH_: if you're using the Mir API see: https://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/0.26/group__mir__toolkit.html#ga0d7b3425e1efccaf550ec1ae2a3e7e83
[12:52] <alan_g> If you're using a toolkit then I don't know how that functionality is exposed
[12:54] <AdamH_> Thanks, gives me something to work with. Just not sure how mir-kiosk uses the API yet
[12:55] <alan_g> AdamH_: the client uses the API to talk to the kiosk server
[12:56] <AdamH_> Thanks
[14:53] <xnox> tvoss, does future mir work going to need oxide-qt package in Ubuntu?


[00:03] <ubptgbot> <Marcus Ly> Model: MMC 008G92 (sd/mmc) … Disk /dev/block/mmcblk0: 7818MB … Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B … Partition Table: gpt … Number  Start   End     Size    File system  Name      Flags …  1      524kB   67.6MB  67.1MB  fat16        modem …  2      67.6MB  68.2MB  524kB                sbl1 …  3      68.2MB  68.7MB  524kB
[00:03] <ubptgbot>      sbl2 …  4      68.7MB  70.8MB  2097kB               sbl3 …  5      70.8MB  71.3MB  524kB                tz …  6      71.3MB  94.4MB  23.1MB               boot …  7      94.4MB  117MB   23.1MB               recovery …  8      117MB   118MB   799kB                m9kefs1 …  9      118MB   119MB   799kB                m9kefs2 … 10      119MB   12
[00:03] <ubptgbot> 0MB   799kB                m9kefs3 … 11      120MB   121MB   524kB                rpm … 12      121MB   121MB   524kB                aboot … 13      121MB   122MB   524kB                sbl2b … 14      122MB   124MB   2097kB               sbl3b … 15      124MB   124MB   524kB                abootb … 16      124MB   125MB   524kB                rpmb
[00:03] <ubptgbot>  … 17      125MB   125MB   524kB                tzb … 18      125MB   126MB   524kB                metadata … 19      126MB   143MB   16.8MB               misc … 20      143MB   159MB   16.8MB  ext4         persist … 21      159MB   1590MB  1431MB  ext4         system … 23      1590MB  1627MB  37.0MB               cache … 22      1732MB  1994MB  26
[00:03] <ubptgbot> 2MB   ext4         vendor … 26      2099MB  7817MB  5718MB  ext4         userdata … 24      7817MB  7818MB  524kB                DDR … 25      7818MB  7818MB  507kB                grow
[00:03] <ubptgbot> <Marcus Ly> this is what mines looks like
[00:04] <ubptgbot> <Marcus Ly> 19      126MB   143MB   16.8MB               misc … 20      143MB   159MB   16.8MB  ext4         persist … 21      159MB   1590MB  1431MB  ext4         system
[00:04] <ubptgbot> <Marcus Ly> wait
[00:04] <ubptgbot> <Marcus Ly> except this part
[00:05] <ubptgbot> <Marcus Ly> what should i do about it
 Good Night
 How activate ubuntu touch convergence?
 @Marcus Ly [Model: MMC 008G92 (sd/mmc) … Disk /dev/block/mmcblk0: 7818MB … Sector size (logical/ …], Looks like system is still much larger than cache. system and cache must be recreated at their original sizes, 881MB and 587MB respectively.
 @PauloAndrePMP [How activate ubuntu touch convergence?], i'm assuming you mean external display support if yes ...... it depends on your device but if your device supports an external display you just connect a display to it
[02:13] <ubptgbot> <Marcus Ly> @UniversalSuperBox [Looks like system is still much larger than cache. system and cache must be recr …], how do i do that?
[02:54] <Maik> @Marcus Ly mind using pastebin or something similar the next time? You flooded the IRC channel.
[03:27] <ubptgbot> <Marcus Ly> ok sorry
 something's weird with TELEports this past days, not sure if released to the latest version. i notice that sometimes it marks a thread as read even though I haven't opened it yet and actually read the unread messages.
 maybe it's telling me to stop checking all my groups and ignore some them 😂
 @Flohack [your network indicator crashed 😆], Where I am test this?
 @Javacookies [something's weird with TELEports this past days, not sure if released to the lat …], I think i noticed the same issuu...
 @Javacookies [maybe it's telling me to stop checking all my groups and ignore some them 😂], I'm experiencing this and the opposite: … Shown as unread chats which I have read but I'm experiencing this also on telegram desktop. I think that is related to latest telegram updates. … I also saw weird bugs on telegram desktop like chats that do
[06:34] <ubptgbot> esn't update (i had to close telegram and open it again)
 hmmm, now that you mention that, I'm trying to remember if I also get this issue on the webpp...
[06:49] <ubptgbot> Thiiran was added by: Thiiran
[06:50] <ubptgbot> Dharanvvm6 was added by: Dharanvvm6
 @SehjanS [Where I am test this?], Look at the wheel icon in the screenshot top bar;)
[07:44] <ubptgbot> m3yuva was added by: m3yuva
[08:17] <ubptgbot> dp107 was added by: dp107
 Good morning, how are you?  … Can I install Ubuntu touch on my Xiaomi A3?
 afaik it's work in progress
 so you can use erifan's GSI
 [Edit] so you can use erifan's GSI for now
 @dp107 [Good morning, how are you?  … Can I install Ubuntu touch on my Xiaomi A3?], https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/laurel-sprout
[08:27] <ubptgbot> Remy was added by: Remy
 hello has any one been able to get the pixel 3a port working
 group descirption
 its a supported device and even included in the ubports insraller 6.0 and up
 but ive tried the ubports installer and the gsi installer and the closest ive got is the splash screen. and before any one asks yes the boot loader is unlocked and i installed the stock firmware before trying
 and i mean the google splash screen
 so i guess thats a no
 @Remy [but ive tried the ubports installer and the gsi installer and the closest ive go …], android 9?
 if so ask @fredldotme
 [Edit] if so ask @fredldotme for more help
 @Remy [so i guess thats a no], First off, please be patient, people in some timezones (like me) might be either working or sleeping. … Don't bother with the GSI installer, it's obsolete compared to the UBports Installer method. Did you select the wipe option during use of the Installer?
 yes android 9 and yes i am trying to talk to fredldotme i understand about time zones. it does make communication difficult as well also free time to work and discuss. actually i havent chosen the wipe option. i just check the bootstrap option
 Well, make a backup of your phone and wipe it. There's no way for UT to make use of your encrypted userdata partition.
 Wipe it specifically with the option in the Installer.
 right ill try that and come back to you. but it got to early this evening. ty though for taking the time ill touch back tomorrow
[10:58] <ubptgbot> equique was added by: equique
 Hello friends of Ubports , happy holidays
 (Photo, 1280x1011) https://irc.ubports.com/v9gLJJDV.png
 (Photo, 1280x959) https://irc.ubports.com/bhjdH2pf.png
 Cute!!!
 (Photo, 1043x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/GH9XEBlH.png
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 (Photo, 1043x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/DZpzG6oI.png
 @equique [<reply to media>], I like this one
 @Flohack [Cute!!!], Thank you
 @equique [<reply to media>], Somehow, this looks like they're about to take over the world 😂
 @ItsMeShouko [I like this one], Sorry, I use a translator, what are you asking me?
 @equique [Sorry, I use a translator, what are you asking me?], No, I meant this is niec
 @equique [Sorry, I use a translator, what are you asking me?], [Edit] No, I meant this is nice
 @ItsMeShouko [No, I meant this is nice], I'm glad you enjoyed it
 Hello. Is there a way to use tab in the terminal?
 I mean, the Tab key
 (Photo, 1080x2160) https://irc.ubports.com/PkdFQAUA.png
 @Alexandre [Hello. Is there a way to use tab in the terminal?], tap the screen
 tap=tab
 wow nice I didn't know that
 Oh, thank you so much!
 swipe up/right/down/left = arrow keys
 @just_carlod [<reply to media>], I used this method
 and two finger for scrolling :p
 I like sfos terminal a lot
 very easy to use imho
 :p
 @just_carlod [I used this method], yeah tis not immediately obvious xD … there's a tutorial for it on the blog iirc
 @ItsMeShouko [I like sfos terminal a lot], i like ut's for the same reason XD
 @vince1171 [<reply to media>], I can't wheel icon sir.
 Ican't find
 @SehjanS [I can't wheel icon sir.], right next to the location icon
 @SehjanS [I can't wheel icon sir.], The wheel icon is the wifi after it crashed … So it's normal if you don't find it ^^
 @SehjanS [I can't wheel icon sir.], [Edit] The wheel icon is the wifi after it crashed … So it's a good news if you don't find it ^^
 ☺
[12:43] <ubptgbot> <Marcus Ly> ummmm
[12:43] <ubptgbot> <Marcus Ly> i'm on the installer
[12:43] <ubptgbot> <Marcus Ly> and i'm stuck on preparing system image
 I think it's okay
 just wait
[12:43] <ubptgbot> Ozu was added by: Ozu
 [Edit] just wait (max 10 minutes)
[12:44] <ubptgbot> <Marcus Ly> alright
[13:02] <ubptgbot> <Marcus Ly> it's been over 10 minutes now
 so I don't know
[13:42] <ubptgbot> Baskar Arumugam was added by: Baskar Arumugam
 Give me guide how to make ubuntu touch rom port for my device
 Oneplus 5 cheeseburger
 I download lineage os 16
 @Marcus Ly [and i'm stuck on preparing system image], what device?
[14:25] <ubptgbot> <Marcus Ly> nexus 4
 oh hmm
 @SehjanS [Give me guide how to make ubuntu touch rom port for my device], there's a port in progress
 @SehjanS [Give me guide how to make ubuntu touch rom port for my device], [Edit] there's a port in progress that is almost "ready"
 @dohbee [oh hmm], @WelcomePlus please
 @Fuseteam [@WelcomePlus please], not me :)
 :p
[14:45] <ubptgbot> Sharon Dvir was added by: Sharon Dvir
 [Edit] i mean if you want to help :p
[14:57] <ubptgbot> KzSetsuna was added by: KzSetsuna
 @SehjanS [I download lineage os 16], it doesn't work like that
 but yesterday someone also asked for cheeseburger search that message
 [Edit] but yesterday someone asked about cheeseburger search that message
 [Edit] but last weeek someone asked about this device, search that message
 @SehjanS [Oneplus5 🍔 cheeseburger..port plz], wait it you 👀
 @SehjanS [Oneplus 5 cheeseburger], Port is in progress, just sit and wait a few weeks ;)
 @SehjanS [Oneplus5 🍔 cheeseburger..port plz], [Edit] wait it's you 👀
 It will go to the installer hopefully ;)
 now we just need a big mac
 _oh wait_
 [Edit] __oh wait__
 Well yeah most things are working already, just annoying stuff left
 [Edit] oh wait
 [Edit] __oh wait that came out wrong__
 [Edit] oh wait that came out wrong
 @Fuseteam [oh wait that came out wrong], beware the sesame seed ban
 @Flohack [Well yeah most things are working already, just annoying stuff left], as usual i suppose
 @dohbee [beware the sesame seed ban], what ban?
 ohw china lol
 whooooooosh
 Hey, Florian, mind if I DM you real quick? It isnt about UBTouch so that is why I am asking
 👀
 @Fuseteam [as usual i suppose], Video recording, mtp needs to be fixed basically thats it
 @WolfLink115 [Hey, Florian, mind if I DM you real quick? It isnt about UBTouch so that is why …], Dont send me spam but ok ;)
 the most annoying parts indeed
 OK, be there in a moment
 Leds, vibrator and touch screen are also not really 100%
 @WolfLink115 [Hey, Florian, mind if I DM you real quick? It isnt about UBTouch so that is why …], i happen to know a wolf link on discord funny enough
 But: calls work, bt works, all audio is there. Amazing quick, was done in a few days
 -(WolfLink115)-#2391?
 hmm good question
 @Fuseteam [hmm good question], Was it a group chat?
 Your scaring me xD
 was a server :p
 it "fuseteam" doesn't ring a bell tis probably someone else
 [Edit] if "fuseteam" doesn't ring a bell tis probably someone else
 [Edit] if "fuseteam" doesn't ring a bell tis probably someone else xD
 take it to PM :P
 IDK.
 @dohbee [take it to PM :P], Ok, sorry
 yeah then it was someone else :p
 ok then.
 Does everyone have a problem with WiFi?
 It disconnecting after some time
 [Edit] Its disconnecting after some time
 @Flohack [Port is in progress, just sit and wait a few weeks ;)], Ok ! Sir
 @RedFox3 [Does everyone have a problem with WiFi?], the redmi note 7?
 @Fuseteam [the redmi note 7?], Redmi Note 7, Redmi 7
 Several people have this issue too
 sounds more redmi related tho
 i wonder if it is android 9 related
 does it prompt for password when it "disconnects"?
 It looks like there wasn't this problem until update
 @Fuseteam [does it prompt for password when it "disconnects"?], Yes, but you can just click to connect
 or cancel, it's probably not disconnecting
 it is known, tho no clear reason why it happens
 @RedFox3 [It looks like there wasn't this problem until update], which update btw?
 @Fuseteam [i wonder if it is android 9 related], I think it is
 @Fuseteam [or cancel, it's probably not disconnecting], It's disconnecting
 I also have got this problem
 I shall press to connect
 even if you press cancel, it should still connect. it is an old bug and seems to have pop up on android 9
 [Edit] even if you press cancel and click on the network out of the list, it should still connect. it is an old bug that seems to have popped up on android 9
 @just_carlod [I also have got this problem], I don’t have this issue
 Wifi is very stable except sometimes on boot it does not connect automatically
 @ItsMeShouko [I don’t have this issue], or maybe it's my wifi range idk
 @Fuseteam [even if you press cancel and click on the network out of the list, it should sti …], Ok
 would be nice if the apps has an exit button
[16:08] <ubptgbot> <Oxy Kali> @pavelov [would be nice if the apps has an exit button], 👍🏻
 @pavelov [would be nice if the apps has an exit button], Just two swipes not good enough?
 on destkop mode it also have a close button on top bar
 and a minimize button and a resize-maximize button 😅
[16:10] <ubptgbot> <Oxy Kali> ubutouch need mor devlopements
 all code needs more development until the point when there is no code left
 @ItsMeShouko [Just two swipes not good enough?], actually two successful swipes, wouldn't count if swipe is all the way from this roght end to left end
 swipe is not all the way
 @dohbee [all code needs more development until the point when there is no code left], rofl
 @pavelov [swipe is not all the way], sorry, I don't understand your last two posts. … Does swiping not work as you'd expect?
 @j2g2rp [on destkop mode it also have a close button on top bar], yes, windowed mode is meant for mouse based interaction, not small touch screens :)
 also in windowed mode, the app spread will show a close icon on top of each window as you move the mouse over
 yes I know 😉
[18:58] <goddard> does ubports automatically update itself?
 @goddard [does ubports automatically update itself?], there is push notification for system update, and depending on your update settings it will auto-download, and then pop the notification, but you still need to go and tap the install button and reboot to get the update
 apps are not automatically updated currently
[19:00] <goddard> i see so where does apt upgrade stand in that process?
[19:00] <goddard> apart?
 there is no apt upgrade
[19:00] <goddard> or the other normal ubuntu commands like dist-upgrade or whatever
[19:01] <goddard> ok
 apt is not used in UT. the rootfs is readonly. system updates are image based
 When I install onion browser, it gets set as default browser to opens links from other apps, how do I make morph browser default?
 only way is to uninstall onion currently. there's no concept of "default" handlers in UT. and there's no UI to pick which app when there are multiple handlers of same URI
 Hm this can be a problem in future if ut attracts more devs
 Right now people won't notice
 it's a solvable problem. it just requires a lot of design and implementation work, which is not currently a priority
[20:52] <ubptgbot> Talk2Techhindi was added by: Talk2Techhindi
[22:50] <ubptgbot> <Scott Shone> Wooow guys! Binance announced biggest airdrop!👍👍 … 🥳Look this tweet post https://bit.ly/34hmDbd


[00:00] <grendal_prime> ya i know..but its easy to fix that stuf
[00:00] <bekks> grendal_prime: Dont use webmin ;)
[00:01] <kasad> ramen
[00:01] <grendal_prime> well..the problem is..i have over 10 filers that use it.  I have trained several clients on user manage ment.  And it handles openvpn instalations and user management really well.
[00:02] <grendal_prime> can you recommend something else bekks?
[00:04] <kasad> !vesta
[00:04] <kasad> !vesta | grendal_prime
[00:05] <kasad> no vesta :P
[00:05] <kasad> !VestaCP
[00:05] <grendal_prime> zyntal i think may be good as well.
[00:05] <kasad> !Ajenti
[00:06] <kasad> didn't touch either
[00:06] <kasad> tbh
[00:07] <kasad> while we are at it
[00:09] <kasad> what would you guys recommend as alternative to grendal_prime (and me as well, when I virtualize this plesk hell, I stlil want some automation, I am not like my friend who is like "You have shell, suck it up"
[00:09] <bekks> grendal_prime: I suggest on of the various non-breaking management tools, like cPanel, ISPconfig, Ajenti, Kloxo, OpenPanel, ZPanel, EHCP, ispCP, VHCS, RavenCore, et al
[00:10] <kasad> i have aversion towards ISPconfig,tho, I don't know how much it advanced in last 3-4 years
[00:10] <grendal_prime> Most of the "panels" ive tried are more geared to like isp hosting or something specific.
[00:11]  * kasad nods
[00:11] <grendal_prime> i want something more systemwide.  zentyal seems to do most of what i want.
[00:11] <bekks> grendal_prime: At least use a supported successor of webmin, like VirtualMin.
[00:12] <bekks> Or Zentyal.
[00:12] <grendal_prime> but, the strange part about that is when trying it out it had the exact same issue that webmin was experiencing.
[00:13] <kasad> isn't virutalmin module for webmin
[00:14] <grendal_prime> one of the reasons i want the ldap server configured is because most of the configurations that my clients use the webmin for is user management. then i could stear clear of setting up any management on the other servers.
[00:14] <grendal_prime> so like im going to start switching things over to alfresco as the filers im going to install.  That system does documanagement along with samba integration..pretty badd ass actually
[00:15] <bekks> kasad: Virtualmin started as a module for webmin, but is a separate "tool" nowadays.
[00:15] <grendal_prime> i didnt realize that
[00:18] <grendal_prime> why is it when you log into http://virtualmin-demo.virtualmin.com/  it says you are logging into webmin?
[00:19] <bekks> Ask them, I did not setup that site.
[00:29] <keithzg> The installer for Virtualmin appears to require webmin, so . . .
 isn't virutalmin module for webmin
[00:34] <kasad> so you lost me earlier
[00:36] <keithzg> I'm not sure it's *only* a module for webmin, the virtualmin site mentions that that's one way to get virtualmin, but the other option appears to be to use their install script. But that script installs (at least a bunch of parts of) webmin as well.
[00:36] <kasad> ahh
[00:37] <kasad> 1:37
[00:37] <kasad> almost leet
[00:37] <kasad> 01:37:33
[00:37] <kasad> 01:37:37
[00:37] <keithzg> 17:37 over on my end here
[00:38] <kasad> or "letet" which means to fly in my mother tongue
[00:38] <kasad> actually leteti, but letet' is accepted as shorter form.
[00:40] <kasad> since it's Friday, and we are mostly idling, no much activity. I know this has nothing to do with Ubuntu, but I find people who talked here so far to be pretty smartastic, so I'll just throw this question/idea/brainfart out there
[00:42] <kasad>  before my current a bit over two years stretch of "working in IT sector" as they call it here, where I wasn't doing lots of web, and over 3 years before that of me being too ill rise out of bed
[00:42] <kasad> I was quite a CMS Nazi
[00:43] <kasad> I was like JoomlaMOomla, die in a fire, if it ain't propriteary and you are doing commercial stuff/business with it
[00:43] <kasad> you suck and are cheap
[00:47] <kasad> so, naturally I first wrote, then oversaw development of intra/inter-net CMS/IMS/insert ziliion other modules here system for  ex-ex-ex-ex company I worked for about 4 years, before I got ill (due to my immune system dying becaue of constantly pulling 20-25-30 hours "allnighters" or twodayers as I call them) (record stands at 39 hours, bio-breaks only, during severe DDOS attack that
[00:47] <kasad> wasn't even targeted at us, but at datacentres that we had servers which were crucial at the time for current deals
[00:48] <kasad> and now I do have software that was last updated in like 2008, but whole branch was fuglied, and it has fallen  back to even older version
[00:49] <kasad> I don't really know much about current "in" such tools, ie WP/Joomla/Drupal and whatnot
[00:50] <kasad> I mean don't get me wrong, when I had to do a favour to friend, I wrote him WP plugin in one day for what he needed, and that was my first time seeing firsthand how backend of WP looks like
[00:50] <kasad> here comes the question/suggestion/idea
[00:52] <kasad> I had very good, (female) friend who runs certain website and did most of the work herself, site is moderately successful, but it's important for the capitol, espec. because it's arts & culture oriented, and that's something that's painfully needed in my hometown
[00:52] <kasad> anyways, long story short
[00:52] <kasad> she asked me for favour if I could take a look and optimize her site
[00:53] <kasad> zomg, when I saw that mumbo jumbo of WP plugins and shpagetti (may ye be blessed by His Noodly Appendage)
[00:53] <kasad> I was like WTF how is this possible
[00:54] <kasad> turns out it's really lotsa work to optimize that the "normal" way
[00:54] <kasad> so, I was thinking and would love to hear opinion
[00:55] <kasad> what if I completely ignored whole site, hosted it somewhere else from main domain
[00:55] <kasad> maybe offload stuff to static/dynamic subdomains
[00:55] <kasad> and then slap some variant of proxy with custom written code, to minify/gzip, concat everything that can be, etc ,etc
[00:56] <kasad> if you get my drift
[00:56] <kasad> does the idea make any sense to you?
[00:57] <sarnold> kasad: I think you'd enjoy this: http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2677720
[00:58] <kasad> like i could pull the contect/and or rendered pages and cache whatever is cacheable, with custom script, and optimize everything, and she would be able to continue to do whatever she wants on her wp install, it would be completely separate, only content would be visible only trough proxy/whatever I cook up
[00:58] <kasad> lemme see
[00:58] <sarnold> kasad: caching is immensely difficult to get right; well, cache invalidation more than anything else. It would be very difficult to slap that onto an application after it is built.
[01:00] <kasad> well, she doesn't have much dynamic content, she posts new articles maybe once/twice a week, I could make her a trigger to rebuild cache. maybe use adaptive images so she doesn't have to think about image size, etc etc
[01:00] <kasad> reading
[01:03] <kasad> Facets to Features to Modules ...The HTTP Archive estimates that the average Web site in 2014 includes approximately 290 KB of JavaScript across 18 different files.2 By comparison, the Netflix homepage today delivers, on average, a 150-KB payload in a single JavaScript file. This file actually consists of 30 to 50 different files concatenated together ... snip ....
[01:03] <kasad> yeah, that's basically what I'm talking about
[01:04] <kasad> plus opcode cashing for whatever needs to be interpreted, plus maybe adaptive images approach for images
[01:04] <kasad> all mashed up together in some setup on some fast box running say ngnix
[01:06] <sarnold> one pal generates his website's content entirely wish bash
[01:06] <sarnold> he makes an edit, re-runs the generator, and out puts a few thousand HTML files and assorted content :)
[01:06] <sarnold> another pal does the same thing but with C
[01:07] <kasad> that's what I'm talking about
[01:07] <sarnold> I suspect either of those approachs would be easier than trying to deal with after-the-fact staticifying wordpress plus random plugins
[01:07] <sarnold> I'd pick C over shell, but you'd probably do better to pick ruby or python over C and shell :) haha
[01:09] <kasad> ruby/maybe node.js, or even shell scripting for generating hmml, pulling it from her wp setup, mixed with some cache solutions for every type of content i can think off, plus CDN usage wheverit' convenient
[01:09] <kasad> you got me
[01:10] <kasad> think it makes sense?
[01:10] <sarnold> everything except for keeping WP in the mix :) haha
[01:10] <kasad> because doing it the "normal" optimization of her WP setup, is like hell
[01:10] <sarnold> yeah. that's not what WP was designed for.
[01:10] <kasad> well, she is comfortable with wp, her writers/editore are as well
[01:11] <kasad> I guess I could pull out my old cms (uses tiny_mce)
[01:11] <kasad> and mash something up, because it hasnt been updated in looong time
[01:12] <kasad> but i have user management, auth, both front end and back end, custom image upload module with cropper
[01:12] <kasad> but then again, it's old and I haven't touched it in years
[01:13] <kasad> and there is so much more stuff they need that WP gives them on the platter
[01:13] <kasad> (except speed :P)
[01:13] <kasad> maybe they could continue using wp for main content, ie writting articles, and I pull from wp whatever else is usefull in discrete objects
[01:14] <kasad> write modules for whatever else is neeeded, then put it all together optimized/minified/conctated/you know all adjectives I was gonna use here so i am gonna stop
[01:14] <sarnold> kasad: you might be able to use the wordpress juju charm to scale the service more easily: http://manage.jujucharms.com/charms/trusty/wordpress
[01:14] <kasad> lemme take a look
[01:14] <sarnold> kasad: the juju charm can easily plug into a memcached caching layer
[01:17] <kasad> me likey
[01:17] <sarnold> kasad: if the database layer is too heavily loaded, you can also scale out the database server, see the "replication" piece here, http://manage.jujucharms.com/charms/trusty/mariadb
[01:18] <kasad> me definitely likey likey
[01:18] <kasad> thanks
[01:19] <kasad> reading
[01:20] <sarnold> the juju charms won't help you optimize the piles of javascripts that a client may need to download to use the site but it can definitely help you make the most of server-side resources without throwing out wordpress :)
[01:24] <kasad> yes yes, i got it
[01:24] <kasad> question, what would you reccomend as hosting solution
[01:25] <kasad> with juju approach
[01:25] <kasad> aws?
[01:26] <sarnold> kasad: aws is probably best-tested; I understand someone put together a plugin for digital ocean; I'm not sure if it works in full-generality or not, though
[01:26] <kasad> her current project is "her baby", but we have plans for something else entirely, and this could turn out to be great starting point
[01:27] <kasad> you just made my day sarnold
[01:27] <sarnold> :D
[01:27] <kasad> thanks for this
[01:27] <sarnold> kasad: there's also a #juju for the questions that are beyond me; I haven't done any charming for a year or so, things have changed drastically since I last used it
[01:27] <kasad> yeah, saw
[01:28]  * kasad rubs hands
[01:29] <kasad> If I ever write a charm, I'll make sure it's called either Great Juju of the mountain or Great Juju from the bottom of the sea
[01:29] <sarnold> haha
[01:30] <kasad> out of respect for Richard Dawkins
[01:31] <kasad> bookmarked everything, gonna do some heavy reading and testing tomorrow (it's 02:31:13 AM here)
[01:32] <kasad> funny how brain "works" ... we were talking about something completely different, and now I miss Cristopher Hitchens all of a sudden. (not that I don't miss him in general, but it just hit me that I am so sad that he died)
[01:33] <sarnold> word-association can lead to crazy places in only a few hops :)
[01:34] <kasad> and naturally, next, I miss George Carlin,,,
[01:36] <kasad> :) yeah, that's why I say, no hard AI, until we plug Hawking into cloud (not the one you play harp on :P)
[01:36] <sarnold> might not be a bad idea to start our AI experiements with intelligences -less- powerful than our own...
[01:37] <kasad> nah, I say, give it all we have
[01:37] <kasad> if it pwns us, we deserved it
[01:37] <kasad> did you saw "Singularity is near" by Ray Kurtzweil
[01:37] <keithzg> I dunno, the fermi paradox is not the kind of thing you want to *solve* ;)
[01:37] <kasad> xD
[01:37] <sarnold> kasad: enjoy :)  http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/07/roko_s_basilisk_the_most_terrifying_thought_experiment_of_all_time.html
[01:38] <kasad> imho the fermi paradox isn't paradox at all
[01:38] <kasad> lemme :) gimme :)
[01:38]  * kasad clicks and rubs hands
[01:41] <kasad> haha (still reading)
[01:47] <kasad> rofl
[01:52] <kasad> please, Almighty Eliezer, don’t torture me.
[01:52] <kasad> a bit abrahamic
[01:52] <kasad> but fun/ny
[01:53] <kasad> reminds me of hitchen's reference to heaven as celestial North Korea
[01:53] <sarnold> kasad: I figured you'd get a good laugh out of that :)
[01:53] <kasad> with one crucial difference, you can escape from North Korea at least by dying :P
[01:54] <kasad> you figured well my friend
[01:55] <kasad> now I'm half excepting William Lane Craig to jump out of my closet and start talking about Boltzmann brains
[01:56] <kasad> and by talking I mean spewing nonsense
[02:11] <kasad> btw sarnold: you haven't told me, did you saw "Singularity is near" the documentary not the book
[02:12] <sarnold> kasad: no, I haven't; I think I made it halfway through The Singularity (or some similar book) and gave up, hehe
[02:14] <kasad> it's pretty rare, considering it's been like 4 years. A story is not that relevant, I mean, it's badly produced and could be much more imaginative, but B line, - Interviews with giants like Minsky, Drexler, Rothblatt and others are awesome
[02:15] <kasad> you have to see the movie if you have slightest interest in the topic
[02:15] <kasad> I repeat, it's not about Ray, it's about who he brought to talk with
[02:16] <sarnold> nice, I'll add it to my list :) thanks
[02:16] <kasad> not sure you will be able to find it
[02:17] <kasad> it took me 2 years (unless you wanna pay for it, but I didn't had choice, my country got paypal this year)
[06:48] <grendal_prime> ya
[06:49] <grendal_prime> bekks, i simply must point out that the granularity of control that i have with the openvpn module in webmin is years ahead of anyting zentyal has to offer.
[06:51] <grendal_prime> Also the jabber support although nice in that it is integrated with the ldap/ad side of zentyal, still lacks control needed for for what i need to do and is well supported by openfire.
[06:55] <grendal_prime> there seems to be no support for setting up issued ip's to clients..anything that has to do with customization of connecting clients configuration is compleatly not there.
[06:56] <grendal_prime> Sorry i was talking about openvpn again with that.
[07:01] <grendal_prime> I like the idea of a cpanel that can do all of these things with the granularity needed for what i do, however every time i try something out, it appears to be focused on some other goal.  The webmin project although aged, has the flexibility for me to edit the plug ins to meet my needs. Its almost entirely written in perl.
[07:02] <grendal_prime> more importantly i have the ability with it to export an existing module, make the changes i need and then create my own module that i can deploy to my other webmin managed customers.
[07:04] <grendal_prime> I think this is probably the very reason that os's no longer support it. It is to versatile for them to keep pace. (Not a bad thing really when you think about it, just its own beast)
[11:27] <danialbehzadi> Hey all,
[11:27] <danialbehzadi> I have a VPS and want to run some services like Open-VPN on it and access them remotely, and I want to rn them via juju. Which method should I choose to bootstrap? local(lxc) or Maas?
[12:20] <kevindf> I've installed a Zabbix server recently that is currently monitoring 2 servers on my small local network, I like it alot so far. But I have a few Windows Pc's running on my local network also, If i'm correct I can monitor these Client PC's also with Zabbix?
[12:20] <kevindf> If I install the Zabbix agent on those Pc's
[12:20] <bekks> If there is a zabbix agent for them, you can monitor them.
[12:21] <kevindf> That's cool
[12:21] <bekks> Otherwise the agent would be pointless.
[14:34] <teward> do the vagrant cloud images pull from the same standard repositories as any given Ubuntu Server install?
[18:26] <SJr> Hmmmmm, 11 hours ago my ubuntu server stopped accepting SSH connections giving key exchange errors, exim gave errors "421 Unexpected log failure, please try later.". Apache gave 404 errors for well defined aliases. I couldn't authenticate to a jabber server, and the syslog stopped logging things. I just got the system rebooted now (I'm not directly near it).
[18:26] <SJr> Any ideas.
[18:28] <SJr> I'm running Ubuntu 14.04, the system is about 5 years old. When I was running Ubuntu 10.04, I had a sporadic problem where every so often (say 5 or 6 months), my computer would stop working, and it would take the entire LAN down with it (if that machine was plugged into the switch, every other machine on the network lost connectivity). I saw a post about a bug in the sky2 module when being unloaded would cause this, but I never was abl
[18:28] <SJr> e to figure out what caused the initial problem.
[18:28] <dasjoe> Not enough free disk space?
[18:40] <SJr> Root has 37 gb free.
[20:04] <lnxmen> hello
[20:06] <qman__> SJr: sounds like something stopped your system from being able to write to disk
[20:06] <qman__> SJr: either full, or stopped, or disconnected, etc
[20:09] <lnxmen> When I try to load my page, I get 500 (Internal Server Error)
[20:10] <lnxmen> I can't find any user option in nginx config...
[20:10] <lnxmen> It's commented.
[22:07] <lnxmen> How to change root path in Plesk?
[22:10] <bekks> lnxmen: sk the Plesk support please.
[22:10] <bekks> lnxmen: Thats not an Ubuntu issue, honestly.
[22:10] <lnxmen> I asked already.
[22:11] <lnxmen> You are right... Sorry.
[22:33] <zermanno> Hi, is it possible to list files that are not installed from apt?


[15:11] <sforshee> tseliot: I have some nvidia dkms fixes for 4.14, bug 1727015 and bug 1727016
[15:11] <tseliot> sforshee: great, I'll have a look at them soon, thanks
[21:28] <sforshee> jjohansen: I'm getting an oops from apparmor in 4.14 - http://paste.ubuntu.com/25963263/
[21:29] <sforshee> this is with a port of the lsm stacking patches from artful applied
[21:31] <jjohansen> sforshee: ack, I've got a new set of stacking patches I am looking at. I'll get them to you asap
[21:31] <sforshee> jjohansen: thanks


[07:02] <ara> good morning!
[07:31] <ara> buenos días jcollado
[07:32] <jcollado> ara: Buenos días
[16:46] <davmor2> fader_: how's things mucka
[16:50] <fader_> davmor2: Can't complain but I still do :)
[16:51] <davmor2> fader_: You complain are you sure your not a new yorker?
[16:51] <fader_> Heh, nah, it's more common across the States than just NY :)
[16:52] <davmor2> I know but they are nearly as famous for it as you right ;)
[17:04] <fader_> davmor2: How's life treating you these days?
[17:05] <davmor2> fader_: Just bust enough at the moment :)
[17:08] <fader_> davmor2: I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
[17:08] <davmor2> Bad thing for next week :)
[17:12] <fader_> :(
[20:37] <davmor2_> fader_: note board adium theme in empathy is weird but it makes it really obvious as to who says what :)
[20:38] <davmor2_> oh and metalsolid is nice too :)
[20:38] <fader_> davmor2_ (davmor2): You'll have to send me some screenshots :)
[20:45] <davmor2> fader_: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/empathy-nb.png and http://www.davmor2.co.uk/empathy-mb2.png
[20:46] <fader_> davmor2: Wow.  I'm genuinely not sure how I feel about that.
[20:46] <davmor2> fader_: there are others too :)
[20:47] <davmor2> I just pick the first 2 that were listed as working fully :)
[20:47]  * fader_ is apparently too text-oriented to be a digital native.
[20:51] <davmor2> fader_: http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/Themes just click through I'm sure there are some that even you would like :)
[21:05] <fader_> cr3: Style question... should checkbox tests output text only when they fail, or is it useful to see specifics about what passed as well?
[21:06] <fader_> And do you look for that on stdout or stderr?
[21:07] <davmor2> fader_: you might like this http://www.adiumxtras.com/images/pictures/paraphernalia_5_3324_5493_image_7836.png
[21:08] <fader_> davmor2: It'd be better without the background image :)
[21:08] <davmor2> just select a black background ;)
[21:14] <fader_> davmor2: Do you have any machines with CRTs instead of/in addition to LCDs?
[21:15] <davmor2> no I don't have the space :(  I think I still have a crt down in the shed somewhere though why?
[21:17] <fader_> davmor2: Meh, no big deal.  I am writing a checkbox test to cycle through all the detected video modes on a system and wanted someone to run 'xrandr -q' on a machine with a CRT to validate my assumptions as to how xrandr works
[21:17] <fader_> Not a huge deal as I'm pretty sure I'm right. :)
[21:17]  * fader_ is never worng.
[21:18] <fader_> I have a CRT buried somewhere in my nigh-infinite junk that I can hook up if I don't find anyone who has one handy.
[21:19] <davmor2> fader_: try the xubuntu channel :)
[21:19] <fader_> (That said, if anyone lurking has a CRT and is willing to send me the output of 'xrandr -q' or better yet try my script, please let me know :) )
[21:19] <sbeattie> fader_: in what context?
[21:20] <sbeattie> although... my crt I have probably predates edid.
[21:20] <fader_> sbeattie: Hmm, I'm not sure what we'd see on a pre-edid monitor.
[21:21] <fader_> sbeattie: It'd be valuable enough I think that if you have it hooked up right now I would whine at you to run xrandr, but probably not worth dragging it up from storage or something
[21:21] <sbeattie> distro matter?
[21:22] <fader_> Not at all... this should be standard vanilla X stuff
[21:22] <fader_> just the output from "xrandr -q" will tell me if I'm on track
[21:22]  * sbeattie snickers at fader_'s misguided naivate when it comes to X. :-)
[21:22] <fader_> Heh
[21:23] <cr3> fader_: if the script passed, checkbox captures stdout and, if there's none, stderr. if the script failed, checkbox only captures stderr.
[21:23] <fader_> Nah, I remember the Good Old Days.  I spent about a week setting up Slackware from a stack of floppies taller than I was and running console-based modeline calculators from the values in the back of my monitor manual.
[21:23] <fader_> I don't miss the Good Old Days :)
[21:24] <fader_> cr3: Excellent, thank you.  I'll output errors to stderr and successes to stdout.
[21:24] <fader_> (Sorta what I expected.)
[21:25] <cr3> fader_: if it's what you expected, that's a good sign. pleased to hear it
[21:26] <davmor2_> fadeer
[21:26] <fader_> cr3: Well, I was mostly interested in whether I should be unixy and silent on success or if it's okay to add additional info... stderr/stdout I just assumed.
[21:26] <davmor2_> fader_: even meh need typing lessons
[21:26] <fader_> heh
[21:26] <davmor2_> what are you expecting from a crt that you don't get from an lcd or visa versa
[21:27] <sbeattie> fader_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/220044/
[21:27] <fader_> sbeattie: Perfect, that's exactly what I expected.  Thanks!
[21:32] <davmor2_> fader_: but that isn't much different from what I get on my lcd.  Was it just a is it the same query?
[21:34] <fader_> davmor2_: It is the same format of output.  I basically wanted to make sure that (a) CRTs still got listed as being 'connected' rather than being some other state, as I wasn't sure you could detect connectivity for VGA; and (b) that modes were still given as unique values rather than ranges, as with CRTs you can do weird nonstandard modes
[21:34] <fader_> I figured that the format would be the same but it doesn't hurt to check.
[21:36] <davmor2_> fader_: All my lcd's are connected via vga
[21:37] <fader_> davmor2_: The discrete/range mode question was still valid though. :)
[21:37] <davmor2> true :)
[22:40] <davmor2> sbeattie: do you have an msn account?
[22:41] <davmor2> or you fader_?
[22:41] <fader_> davmor2: No, sorry
[22:41] <sbeattie> davmor2: I do<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:44] <davmor2_> sbeattie: are you logged on?
[22:45] <sbeattie> I should be, but through bitlbee which is not always entirely protocol compliant. Lemme fire up pidgin.
[22:46] <sbeattie> davmor2_: I'm pidginified now.
[22:54] <davmor2_> that seems okay but I'll try again tomorrow if your around with just a default install
[23:04] <davmor2_> sbeattie: this seems relatively stable to be honest but I will try tomorrow on fresh install to find out whether it's haze or butterfly that is the issue
[23:09] <sbeattie> davmor2_: sure thing.
[23:11] <davmor2> no probs then I think I'm going to call it a night then bye


[08:19] <hyperair> cyphermox: ping.
[08:20] <hyperair> cyphermox: it looks like networkmanager's somehow screwing up wpa adhoc connections.
[08:21] <hyperair> cyphermox: using ifupdown, the same configuration (based on what networkmanager says in syslog) provided in a wpa_supplicant.conf works.
[08:22] <hyperair> judging by iwlist output, it looks like networkmanager's slapping on an extra wep key.
[08:23] <hyperair> removing the wepkey on the machines suddenly allow them to connect, but iwlist wlan2 scan seems to show an unencrypted adhoc connection available.
[08:28]  * ejat pokes hyperair
[08:28] <ejat> hyperair : in natty ? oneiric ?
[08:28] <ejat> or the latest built …
[08:28] <hyperair> ejat: natty.
[08:29] <hyperair> ejat: does it work for you?
[08:29] <hyperair> ejat: it seems that wpa on adhoc is a rather strange beast.
[08:29] <ejat> havent try adhoc wpa yet
[08:29] <hyperair> yeah well wpa for everything else appears to work, just not wpa adhoc.
[08:43] <ejat> owh .. file the bugs already ?
[08:48] <hyperair> ejat: there seem to be some bugs lying around
[08:48] <hyperair> without much attention paid to it
[08:49] <ejat> u mean .. got related bugs with it
[08:51] <hyperair> yeah
[08:51] <hyperair> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/322902 like this one
[08:52] <hyperair> i think i'll file a new bug.
[08:52] <hyperair> and maybe test with oneiric's networkmanager
[10:51] <debfx> slangasek: the multiarch Qt causes some fallout
[10:52] <debfx> many projects use the QT_INSTALL_LIBS and QT_INSTALL_PLUGINS qmake variables
[10:54] <debfx> so now they use multiarch paths but the packages don't expect that so they FTBFS
[10:55] <debfx> KDE's FindQt4 script expects all Qt modules to live in the same path
[14:59] <sveinse> Can I override (replace) a faulty file from another package with update-alternatives?
[15:01] <sveinse> The /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/plymouth on natty misbehaves, it needs files which are not present and the package doesn't depend on them. Nor do I want them, so I'd rather replace this file with my own for now
[15:03] <infinity> sveinse: dpkg-divert is what you want to replace random files and not have them updated on upgrade.
[15:03] <sveinse> infinity: Yes of course. Thanks
[17:05] <micahg> Laney: or directhex  bug 824858 could use sponsoring (mono upgrade broke)
[17:06] <directhex> micahg, it's a known issue, fixed in 2.10.4-2 which was being tested by Laney last i checked
[17:07] <micahg> directhex: ah, I saw that version in Debian, but it seemed to be on the wrong package according to the changelog
[17:26] <Laney> micahg: it is on both
[17:27] <micahg> Laney: ah ,ok
[17:27] <Laney> 2.0 for upgrades from 2.6 releases, 4.0 for 2.10 ones
[17:30] <Laney> but cheers for the patch
[17:31] <Laney> you could dupe that bug to my sync request
[17:32] <Laney> infact /me does that
[17:38] <Laney> so, if someone has time to sync -2 from exp ;-) (#826226)
[17:58] <hyperair> syncpackage!
[17:59] <micahg> hyperair: that's frowned upon by the archive admins
[17:59] <hyperair> o noes.
[17:59] <micahg> unless it's a fakesync
[18:00] <hyperair> what were the issues?
[18:03] <micahg> I can't seem to find anything except e-mails about hard freezes, ISTR general usage frowned upon
[18:37] <slangasek> debfx: qt multiarch ftbfses - ok.  How do you think we should deal with this?  My preference would certainly be to push forward, converting all the reverse-dependencies to build for the multiarch path; have you quantified the set of affected packages?
[18:47] <debfx> slangasek: it's hard to identify the affected packages. I suspect most libraries that use qmake ftbfs
[19:03] <tumbleweed> hyperair, micahg: We documented it in the manpage. An archive-admin (can't remember who) told me on IRC that they didn't approve of it because the procedure was not idential to their tool, and in general they didn't think we should do round-trips through developer's machines for syncs.
[19:04] <tumbleweed> also, the sync button is due any day now ™
[19:13] <debfx> slangasek: are you aware that cmake stores absolute paths of the linked libraries in configs, e.g. /usr/share/qzeitgeist/cmake/QZeitgeistExport-noconfig.cmake from libqzeitgeist-dev?
[19:14] <slangasek> debfx: <sigh> is that "cmake stores", or "some libraries that use cmake store"?
[19:17] <debfx> slangasek: it seems to be a cmake feature that libraries can use
[19:19] <slangasek> well, it's not a feature that distro packages /should/ be using... just like they shouldn't be shipping .la files with hard-coded references to files from other -dev packages
[19:22] <slangasek> debfx: if there is a consensus among the Kubuntu team that qt4 multiarch support should be reverted, I'll go along with that; but I'm also willing to put in effort to fix these packages up, and much prefer that as an outcome
[19:34] <directhex> tumbleweed, it does a round-trip through my machine anyway, since generally i syncpackage things i dput to debian myself
[19:37] <slangasek> debfx: I count only 22 candidate packages which build-depend on qt4-qmake and ship files in /usr/lib; that seems manageable
[19:37] <slangasek> debfx: what was the package you ran into this on? (so I can confirm it's in my list)
[19:37] <tumbleweed> directhex: I know. I don't completly agree with their argument, but I understand the viewpoint, and respect their wishes
[19:39] <tumbleweed> directhex: syncpackage also doesn't modify any tarball / diff contents, unless it's fakesyncing
[19:42] <debfx> slangasek: that cmake feature generally is useful as it allows something like pkgconfig for cmake. though I'm not sure why it needs to save the absolute path of linked libs
[19:43] <slangasek> debfx: yeah, it's not like pkgconfig *because* it's hard-coding paths to unrelated libraries
[19:43] <debfx> slangasek: libqt4-dev depends on qt4-qmake so most packages won't explicitly depend on qt4-qmake
[19:43] <slangasek> debfx: ok, will check libqt4-dev also
[19:44] <slangasek> yeah, that's a little longer list
[19:45] <debfx> I know that these need to be converted: qtwebkit-source, qt-assistant-compat and qscintilla2
[19:59] <SpamapS> slangasek: are you familiar with the perl transition that went on earlier this cycle, or was that all cjwatson? collectd is FTBFS because it can't find libperl..
[20:00] <SpamapS> bug 796571
[20:02] <debfx> slangasek: I guess the only way to identify the affected packages is to test build them
[20:07] <slangasek> debfx: libqt4-dev|qt4-qmake looks to give a bit over 300 candidates, but many of these are definitely false-positives (including the first package I picked from the list and tried to build, appmenu-qt).  So that's too many candidates for me to try to go through by hand, but I'm confident that the number of resulting build failures should still be manageable for the cycle and think we should just work them via the archive rebuild tests
[20:07] <slangasek> SpamapS: sorry, don't know anything about the perl transition details
[20:08] <debfx> slangasek: is there one scheduled soon?
[20:08] <slangasek> debfx: yes, doko is planning on starting it ASAP
[20:09] <slangasek> debfx: and there hasn't been any runtime breakage reported, right?
[20:10] <debfx> there is some runtime breakage but I think it can be fixed by rebuilding pykde4
[20:10] <slangasek> oh, what's broken there?
[20:11] <slangasek> akonadi also builds fine; so there are my first two test cases
[20:13] <debfx> bug #826321
[20:13] <SpamapS> slangasek: alright I'll ping cjwatson about it
[20:14] <debfx> I'm not 100% sure it's caused by the multiarch Qt, the error message is somewhat obscure
[20:16] <debfx> appmenu-qt probably works fine because it doesn't have an install file (single binary package)
[21:41] <slangasek> debfx: ah, amarok FTBFS, because the build system gets confused and tries to link against -lQt4::QtWebKit; maybe fixable by rebuilding qtwebkit-source?
[21:46] <debfx> slangasek: yeah, that's the next package that needs to be converted for multiarch since it's a main Qt module anyway
[21:48]  * slangasek nods