[07:26] <beefsprocket> ... no comment... :p
[07:26] <TeRaHuRtZ> Professional edition or whatever it's called
[07:27] <beefsprocket> there's always vmware too
[07:27] <beefsprocket> .iso backups have saved me repurchasing many a game
[07:27] <TeRaHuRtZ> I haven't used windows since 1997, I'd rather stay away from vmware and thinks alike
[07:28] <TeRaHuRtZ> beefsprocket, i was being sarcastic
[07:28] <TeRaHuRtZ> GameOver69, try Xine or VLC
[07:29] <TeRaHuRtZ> Might have better luck
[07:29] <GameOver69> i liked mpalyer though :(
[07:29] <TeRaHuRtZ> Hmm
[07:29] <TeRaHuRtZ> what frontend are you using?
[07:29] <GameOver69> it owrks in my browser
[07:29] <GameOver69> and in the terminal
[07:29] <GameOver69> i dont know.... whatever is in the repositories....
[07:29] <TeRaHuRtZ> Hmm
[07:29] <TeRaHuRtZ> Isn't kaffeine a mplayer frontend, i forget
[07:29] <m5m> Does anyone use Konqueror to rip audio cds?
[07:29] <GameOver69> no
[07:29] <GameOver69> and i dont like kaffeine
[07:29] <TeRaHuRtZ> Hmm
[07:29] <TeRaHuRtZ> Sorry I can't help ya
[07:30] <TeRaHuRtZ> :/
[07:30] <GameOver69> its ok
[07:30] <GameOver69> i just removed some of the 386 kernals with adept but they still seem to show up in grub
[07:30] <m5m> what is your favorite cd-ripping app?
[07:30] <GameOver69> how do i get rid of them
[07:30] <TeRaHuRtZ> GameOver69, why are you removing things randomly?
[07:30] <GameOver69> im not doing it randomly
[07:31] <GameOver69> just cleaning up
[07:31] <GameOver69> and i just want to get rid of some kernals
[07:31] <GameOver69> and keep the newer ones
[07:31] <TeRaHuRtZ> And they will still be in grub because grub has its own config
[07:31] <TeRaHuRtZ>  /boot/grub/grub.conf usually
[07:32] <TeRaHuRtZ> Heh
[07:33] <stupendo44> GameOver69: there's probably some packages from the kernel left. In my experience, after removing all of the related packages (I think there's 3) the entry in grub was automatically removed.
[07:33] <TeRaHuRtZ> Nothing should be touching the grub
[07:33] <GameOver69> what are some related packages?
[07:33] <TeRaHuRtZ> Even when uninstalling things
[07:34] <stupendo44> GameOver69: I'm trying to find out for you, one sec
[07:34] <GameOver69> k thanks
[07:35] <stupendo44> GameOver69: it looks like the 2 main ones are "linux-headers-blah-blah" and "linux-image-blah-blah"
[07:35] <GameOver69> ok great
[07:35] <stupendo44> GameOver69: just make sure you're not removing the wrong kernel
[07:36] <stupendo44> GameOver69: make sure the version you're removing is the one you want to remove
[07:36] <GameOver69> heres a wierd question... i installed firefox 1.5 manually.. no repositories.. now adept has picke dup my installation and wants to update it
[07:36] <GameOver69> im afraid if it does like with 1.07 it will be slow and wont let me update the program
[07:36] <TeRaHuRtZ> I dont use gui frontend package managers
[07:37] <TeRaHuRtZ> Can't help ya there
[07:37] <GameOver69> anyone?... should i ugrpade to the ubuntu version or should i keep the one i manually isntalled?
[07:37] <stupendo44> GameOver69: I also have a "linux-resticted-modules-blah-blah" that corresponds with the kernel version, but I don't know if that is necessary to remove the entry from grub. If you have that installed, I would remove it as well
[07:37] <TeRaHuRtZ> You need the headers also
[07:37] <stupendo44> GameOver69: what version does Adept say that you have?
[07:38] <GameOver69> 1.5.1 ubuntu candatidate 5
[07:38] <TeRaHuRtZ> I wouldn't be randomly removing kernel headers and things, you will need those at some point
[07:38] <GameOver69> and i think it wants to install cantidate 7
[07:38] <GameOver69> but again i never did it through adept... so i dont understand
[07:38] <stupendo44> TeRaHuRtZ: we're talking about the old versions
[07:39] <TeRaHuRtZ> stupendo44, I hope he realizes that ;)
[07:39] <stupendo44> TeRaHuRtZ: read up above
[07:39] <GameOver69> yeah i did... works fine Terahurtz
[07:39] <TeRaHuRtZ> Oh it will work without headers, but when it comes time to install something that depends on em...
[07:40] <stupendo44> GameOver69: it seems odd that Adept would pick up a manual install. I haven't heard of this happening
[07:40] <TeRaHuRtZ> But anyways
[07:40] <TeRaHuRtZ> Adept will pick up a manual install
[07:40] <stupendo44> TeRaHuRtZ: on an old kernel? one he's not using?
[07:40] <TeRaHuRtZ> Thats a no brainer
[07:40] <GameOver69> stupendo44: thats why im afraid of installing it
[07:40] <GameOver69> cause i think it iwll screw things up
[07:40] <TeRaHuRtZ> Adept is a frontend to apt get
[07:40] <TeRaHuRtZ> Any time you install a .deb apt-get realizes that
[07:41] <stupendo44> GameOver69: what repos are you using?
[07:41] <GameOver69> i didnt use a repo
[07:41] <TeRaHuRtZ> even if you installed it manually
[07:41] <GameOver69> i dowloaded it as a tar
[07:41] <GameOver69> put it in /opt
[07:41] <TeRaHuRtZ> GameOver69, its fine
[07:41] <GameOver69> and followed whatever instructions i ahd to to make it work as if i installed it from a repo
[07:41] <TeRaHuRtZ> I just used the repos to get 1.5
[07:41] <stupendo44> GameOver69: right, that's what I thought.
[07:41] <TeRaHuRtZ> Edited my sources.list
[07:42] <stupendo44> GameOver69: what repos are you using right now that have <IP_ADDRESS>. The breezy repo doesn't
[07:42] <GameOver69> dapper
[07:42] <TeRaHuRtZ> hes using dapper
[07:42] <TeRaHuRtZ> like me...
[07:42] <stupendo44> ah, ok
[07:42] <TeRaHuRtZ> GameOver69, just go ahead and update, if it downgrades for some reason you can always go back
[07:42] <GameOver69> so should i install it?
[07:43] <TeRaHuRtZ> It's not that big of a deal
[07:43] <GameOver69> and does it allow u to update it now ... rmemeber in 1.07 it woul dnot let u
[07:43] <GameOver69> internally within the firefox program
[07:43] <TeRaHuRtZ> I dont know, I don't use FF often, to bloated and memory leaky for me
[07:44] <GameOver69> huh ok.... last questiont hen i wont bother u guys anymore.... since i updated to the new amarok... it never ocnnects to music brainz
[07:44] <GameOver69> any clue how to fix this
[07:45] <GameOver69> and i cant find lyrics... keeps saying i odnt have a script or something
[07:45] <TeRaHuRtZ> Can't help ya there, I'm using XMMS
[07:45] <TeRaHuRtZ> :/
[07:45] <TeRaHuRtZ> BRB gotta bring the dog out
[07:45] <stupendo44> GameOver69: I believe that when you use adept (or apt-get) to install Firefox, it doesn't allow internal updating because that would theoretically screw up what apt-get thinks that you have.
[07:46] <GameOver69> ok so then i wont upgrade
[07:46] <GameOver69> whats the best way to customize my desktop to make it look super nice
[07:47] <stupendo44> GameOver69: in what way?
[07:48] <ziza> Xgl = super nice :D
[07:48] <GameOver69> like to look different then the normal setup
[07:48] <GameOver69> i alrady have diff icons
[07:48] <GameOver69> and mouse pointers
[07:48] <GameOver69> whats xgl?
[07:49] <stupendo44> GameOver69: http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[07:49] <stupendo44> GameOver69: and the howto for dapper: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto
[07:50] <stupendo44> xgl
[07:50] <stupendo44> xgl's pretty cool
[07:50] <Chousuke> It'll take a while before Xgl is reliable enough for everyone to use though.
[07:50] <stupendo44> Chousuke: right
[07:51] <stupendo44> Chousuke: it worked fine for me. And I've heard good comments about the xgl live cd
[07:51] <GameOver69> man that looks crazy
[07:51] <Snake__> GameOver69: Its awesome ;)
[07:51] <stupendo44> Kororaa
[07:51] <Snake__> Kororaa is the way to go
[07:51] <Chousuke> I'd like to play with Xgl too, but I can't
[07:51] <Snake__> Chousuke: Low PC specs/
[07:52] <stupendo44> Chousuke: download the Kororaa live cd, it has xgl all set
[07:52] <Chousuke> Snake__: no.
[07:52] <Chousuke> Snake__: a powerbook
[07:52] <Snake__> Oh
[07:52] <stupendo44> ah
[07:52] <stupendo44> that'll do it
[07:52] <Chousuke> with an nvidia card too
[07:52] <Snake__> Chousuke: doesnt dapper run on mac?
[07:52] <Chousuke> Snake__: it does.
[07:52] <Chousuke> Snake__: but I won't get 3d acceleration
[07:52] <Snake__> Oh
[07:52] <Snake__> ya thats a problem
[07:52] <stupendo44> question: does Mac OS X have the wobbly windows thing?
[07:52] <GameOver69> kororaa now what is that
[07:53] <Snake__> GameOver69: a live disk made just to demo XGL
[07:53] <TeRaHuRtZ> a xgl live cd
[07:53] <stupendo44> http://www.kororaa.org/
[07:53] <Chousuke> stupendo44: the engine is capable of doing that, but it's not implemented :/
[07:53] <stupendo44> Chousuke: I see
[07:53] <Chousuke> Well hmm
[07:53] <Chousuke> perhaps Xgl will be ported to the mac someday.  Faster, also.
[07:54] <stupendo44> lol
[07:55] <Snake__> stupendo44: I got it off a mirror
[07:55] <Snake__> stupendo44: but I dont know how to use it :(
[07:55] <stupendo44> Snake__: ok
[07:55] <Snake__> it wont boot
[07:55] <stupendo44> Snake__: it won't?
[07:55] <stupendo44> Snake__: what did you burn it with?
[07:55] <GameOver69> wlel i have kde i just want to customize it real nice
[07:55] <Snake__> stupendo44: I think its a ID ten T error
[07:55] <stupendo44> Snake__: yeah, that
[07:55] <Snake__> stupendo44: Nero 6.14
[07:55] <stupendo44> that's the most common
[07:56] <stupendo44> Snake__: are you used to burning images?
[07:56] <stupendo44> isos
[07:56] <Snake__> stupendo44: I burned it like I would any other iso, open nero burning rom, press "o" select the iso, check finalize cd, and burn
[07:56] <stupendo44> Snake__: ok
[07:56] <stupendo44> Snake__: does it show anything if you view the cd in Windows?
[07:57] <Snake__> stupendo44: yes, all the files are there, but there in a folder called kororaa...which I dunno if that would cause a problem
[07:57] <stupendo44> Snake__: that shouldn't cause a problem by itself. I've downloaded the iso, but haven't burned it yet
[07:57] <stupendo44> maybe I'll do that now and test it
[07:58] <Snake__> Alright
[07:59] <GameOver69> so nothing then?
[07:59] <Snake__> ?
[08:00] <GameOver69> for non 3d accelerated desktop customization for kde
[08:00] <Snake__> ah
[08:00] <Snake__> GameOver69: maybe check out superkaramba for lil widget type things?
[08:00] <Snake__> GameOver69: and just customize panels and play with KDE, its quite amazing how nice it can get
[08:00] <Snake__> download iconsets, make color themes, add/remove applets
[08:00] <tijn> just installed a fresh kubuntu and apt has an error with ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp , is this a kown problem?
[08:01] <GameOver69> what about the water ripple affect
[08:01] <GameOver69> i saw somethin like that?
[08:01] <Snake__> Whatcha mean?
[08:01] <GameOver69> i dunno somethin i remember seein in a screenshot
[08:02] <Snake__> was it a wallpaper or what?
[08:02] <GameOver69> no
[08:02] <GameOver69> an effect
[08:02] <stupendo44> GameOver69: http://www.kde-look.org is a decent place to find themes and stuff
[08:02] <Red_Herring> can anyone here do anything about the lack of a decent theme for kde?
[08:02] <Snake__> wtf is an effect..
[08:02] <Snake__> Red_Herring: sure! make your own
[08:02] <Red_Herring> kubuntu's default theme lacks invidiualitly
[08:03] <Red_Herring> and i cant make a theme
[08:03] <Snake__> Why not?
[08:03] <Red_Herring> because i lack talent
[08:03] <stupendo44> "lacks individuality"?
[08:03] <Snake__> stupendo44: looks like everybody elses
[08:03] <Red_Herring> ever seen the default kde look for ANY distro?
[08:03] <Snake__> Ill agree with that, Kubuntu is offly default
[08:03] <stupendo44> and that's bad?
[08:04] <Red_Herring> it looks EXACTLY like any other
[08:04] <Red_Herring> well
[08:04] <Red_Herring> ubuntu made a new theme for gnome
[08:04] <Red_Herring> it kicks ass
[08:04] <Red_Herring> why cant its brother do the same
[08:04] <Snake__> EW GOD NO IT DOESNT
[08:04] <Snake__> That Brown fugly crap
[08:04] <Red_Herring> really?
[08:04] <Snake__> ew
[08:04] <Red_Herring> it sure beats the old one
[08:04] <Snake__> Brown is the worst color ever
[08:04] <Snake__> EVER
[08:04] <Red_Herring> well
[08:05] <Red_Herring> i dont think its the greatest
[08:05] <Snake__> lol
[08:05] <Red_Herring> but it sure beats anythign else GNOME has
[08:05] <Snake__> and Dapper flight 5 is pretty bad too....the orange
[08:05] <Snake__> wtf
[08:05] <Snake__> why oragne
[08:05] <Red_Herring> why cant Kubuntu make a really good KDE theme
[08:05] <Red_Herring> ?
[08:05] <Snake__> Red_Herring: Because we lack talent
[08:05] <Red_Herring> i mean, at least include KXDocker by default
[08:05] <noteventime_away> !touchpad
[08:05] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese.  Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:05] <Red_Herring> !docker
[08:05] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[08:05] <noteventime_away> !synaptic
[08:05] <ubotu> rumour has it, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[08:05] <Snake__> Stop fishing
[08:06] <Red_Herring> i am a herring :-P
[08:06] <noteventime_away> :'-( My touch pad is sloooow and i can't get it to go any faster
[08:06] <Red_Herring> noteventime_away: are you using daper?
[08:06] <Red_Herring> *dapper?
[08:06] <noteventime_away> yees
[08:06] <Red_Herring> same here
[08:06] <noteventime_away> :P
[08:06] <Red_Herring> i just use keycombos
[08:06] <Snake__> noteventime_away: have you looked aound kcontrol?
[08:06] <noteventime_away> yes
[08:06] <Red_Herring> alt-tab, katapult
[08:07] <Snake__> hmm
[08:07] <Red_Herring> Snake__: its a known bug
[08:07] <Snake__> AH
[08:07] <noteventime_away> Red_Herring: I already use them
[08:07] <Snake__> ah*
[08:07] <noteventime_away> Maybe i should test another driver?
[08:07] <Red_Herring> noteventime_away: its dapper, so just wait
[08:07] <Red_Herring> they are working on a fix
[08:08] <Snake__> Hmmm so even on the mouse settings under Pointer Acceleration doesnt work??
[08:08] <noteventime_away> Snake__: Nope
[08:08] <Snake__> Damn
[08:08] <Red_Herring>  heh
[08:08] <Red_Herring> just change the colors around in gnome from orange to blue
[08:08] <Red_Herring> and it looks great
[08:09] <Snake__> agreed
[08:09] <Snake__> Hey guys, wanna help me spam this company?
[08:10] <Snake__> https://reporting.bsa.org/usa/home.aspx?pr=1&CMP=BAL-toms&creative=wanted200K
[08:10] <Snake__> if we all do DDoS on em, we might stop em :)
[08:10] <Red_Herring> what?!?!??!
[08:10] <Red_Herring> arg
[08:11] <Red_Herring> MUST... KILL... THAT... SITE!
[08:11] <Snake__> Red_Herring: if the world was open source, we wouldn't have that problem
[08:11] <Red_Herring> so just ping the hell out of them?
[08:11] <Red_Herring> Snake__: if only if only...
[08:11] <Red_Herring> man i love how OSS works
[08:11] <_david> hey, I'm making a presentation about free software, I'm wondering on what ways you can make money with it, I got support contracts, do you know other ways of making money?
[08:11] <noteventime_away> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-77099.html <- maybe this
[08:13] <_david> the cooperation behing kubuntu does also try to make money, do they only do it with support contracts?
[08:13] <Red_Herring> did you know firefox is making millons?
[08:13] <Snake__> _david: I think cedega charges a month subscription for its services
[08:13] <_david> Snake__: ok, but that's no free software is it?
[08:13] <Snake__> _david: What do you mean by support contracts?
[08:14] <Snake__> _david: Its open source I believe
[08:14] <_david> Snake__: that a consumer pays for support
[08:14] <eltower> Kubuntu affiliates and the such I presume
[08:14] <eltower> exactly, paid software support
[08:14] <Snake__> _david: Kubuntu has no payable support that im aware of....do they??
[08:14] <Snake__> lol
[08:14] <ziza> i think they will
[08:14] <Snake__> I think they will too
[08:14] <Snake__> but I dont think they do atm
[08:14] <_david> I don't know if they already have it, but it is the goal of Mark Shuttleword to get it atleast
[08:14] <ziza> for their server version perhaps
[08:15] <noteventime> Yay, it worked!!!!
[08:15] <Snake__> _david: You could mention that suse makes money by selling its OS with priority codecs built in
[08:15] <Snake__> :)
[08:15] <_david> hehe, ok
[08:15] <Red_Herring> i dont like suse
[08:15] <Red_Herring> VIVA UBUNTU!
[08:15] <eltower> :)
[08:15] <Snake__> Suse is second best to (k)ubuntu
[08:15] <noteventime> Red_Herring: Try the liink i sent
[08:15] <_david> and of course Richard Stallman selling _tapes_ with emacs on it ;)
[08:16] <scotty_b> can anyone help me out? I'm trying to use Kubuntu Live CD, and I got it burned as an ISO on a disk. And when I reboot, all it does is come up with a black screen that says something like "ISOLinux Distro. Copyright Peter someone"
[08:16] <noteventime> Altough i might need some tweaking its a loy better
[08:16] <scotty_b> with a little blinking underscore thing under it
[08:16] <eltower> where on earth did you get the ISO from?
[08:16] <scotty_b> not sure...my friend gave me the link
[08:16] <scotty_b> I just downloaded it
[08:16] <eltower> from where I mean
[08:16] <eltower> just curious
[08:17] <Red_Herring> noteventime: i copied and pasted my old Xorg.conf from my 5.10 to 6.04, and it didnt work
[08:17] <eltower> Because that shouldn't happen
[08:17] <Snake__> brb all, gotta go troubleshoot a windows rig
[08:17] <scotty_b> I honestly can't remember where it came from...my friend gave me the link to the download in an IRC channel
[08:17] <Red_Herring> so hypothetically that howto shouldnt work
[08:17] <scotty_b> hang on
[08:17] <noteventime> Red_Herring: Just take a look at the link, it works
[08:17] <scotty_b> http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/cds/kubuntu-5.10-kde351+koffice-i386-1.iso
[08:17] <scotty_b> that link
[08:17] <Red_Herring> scotty_b: get the OFFICIAL iso
[08:17] <Red_Herring> ok
[08:18] <scotty_b> ok...where can I find that?
[08:18] <eltower> ditto
[08:18] <eltower> http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[08:19] <eltower> Kubuntu seriously needs Shipit
[08:19] <scotty_b> alright, thanks guys
[08:19] <Red_Herring> eltower: its gonna be included in dapper
[08:19] <scorn> hi
[08:19] <scorn> just a question
[08:20] <eltower> Red_Herring: I haven't taken a real look at Kubuntu since 5.04, how much is Dapper going to be any better?
[08:20] <Red_Herring> eltower: its tough to say
[08:20] <scorn> I have problem running kftgrabber
[08:20] <tijn> kftgrabber?
[08:20] <tijn> whats that?
[08:20] <scorn> kftpgrabber
[08:20] <Red_Herring> i can safely say that ubuntu has finally matured to be a pro OS worthy of competeing with OSX and windows, when dapper comes out
[08:20] <Red_Herring> but kubuntu is a step behind
[08:20] <eltower> I hope so
[08:21] <tijn> kftp aha
[08:21] <tijn> fpt client
[08:21] <eltower> I never took GNOME too warmly I suppose
[08:21] <scorn> kftpgrabber: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1: undefined symbol: avahi_client_new
[08:21] <Red_Herring> eltower: neither have i
[08:21] <scorn> any idea ?
[08:21] <Snake__> Red_Herring: why is kubuntu behind
[08:21] <eltower> KDE reminds me a lot of OSX Aqua
[08:21] <scotty_b> thanks for your help, Red_herring and eltower  ....
[08:21] <Red_Herring> but the new gnome theme they have rocks!
[08:21] <eltower> no problem scotty
[08:21] <Red_Herring> Snake__: well... i am just watching the development of dapper
[08:22] <scotty_b> now I got another 6 hour download ahead of me  :P
[08:22] <Red_Herring> i have both ubuntu and kubuntu
[08:22] <skypa> Linus says...
[08:22] <skypa> :p
[08:22] <Snake__> Red_Herring: as am I...
[08:22] <Snake__> So whys kubuntu behind
[08:22] <Red_Herring> Snake__: it just seems like kubutu still needs to work on usabilty a bit more
[08:22] <Red_Herring> whereas ubuntu has mastered it
[08:22] <Snake__> Red_Herring: What do you mean, go into detail
[08:22] <Red_Herring> and has moved on
[08:22] <Red_Herring> to themes, details, etc
[08:23] <Red_Herring> i just think ubuntu and gnome have just matured to the point where its almost perfect
[08:23] <eltower> My tow cents: I had a tremendous headache installing a USB ADSL modem on Kubuntu
[08:23] <Red_Herring> and kde could be better
[08:23] <eltower> to the point of driving me back to dual boot with Windoze
[08:23] <Snake__> Red_Herring: wait till KDE 4, see if its still like that.
[08:23] <Red_Herring> but kubutnu has to pull their act togtether
[08:23] <Red_Herring> Snake__: i am!
[08:23] <Red_Herring> :-P
[08:23] <Red_Herring> kde 4 is gonna be a winblows killer!
[08:24] <eltower> 3.4 is already quite sleek :)
[08:24] <Snake__> 3.5 is better that 3.4
[08:24] <Snake__> by far
[08:24] <eltower> heh, I wouldn't know :(
[08:24] <ziza> eltower: which applications force you to boot Windows?
[08:24] <eltower> ziza: just installing the USB ADSL drivers, but I'm using an iBook a lot now
[08:25] <scorn> any idea for this error ???
[08:25] <ziza> i see
[08:25] <scorn> symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1: undefined symbol: avahi_client_new
[08:25] <scorn> please
[08:25] <tijn> damn, cant type that much anymore
[08:25] <tijn> my keyboard buffer is full :)
[08:25] <eltower> iBook without Linux unfortunately, I don't have that much disk space to spare
[08:26] <Red_Herring> is kde4 gonna incorperate OpenGL?
[08:26] <Red_Herring> a-la Xgl?
[08:26] <Snake__> I would hope...
[08:26] <eltower> Bye people :)
[08:26] <Snake__> Theres gonna be a lot of great stuff coming from the new xorg
[08:26] <Red_Herring> yeah
[08:26] <Red_Herring> modulated and all
[08:27] <Red_Herring> im very excited about the future of linux
[08:27] <Red_Herring> its either gonna be this year or the next
[08:27] <marseillai> Red_Herring: kde 4 also integrate wgl in plasma!
[08:27] <Red_Herring> when it finally becomes a mature OS
[08:27] <marseillai> and mac osx widgets too
[08:27] <Red_Herring> marseillai: w00t!!!
[08:27] <Red_Herring> marseillai: osx widgets?!?!?!?
[08:27] <Red_Herring> that kicks ass!
[08:27] <Snake__> Yes
[08:27] <marseillai> yes
[08:27] <Snake__> I like my SK tho
[08:28] <Snake__> :)
[08:28] <marseillai> Red_Herring: but in final release may be kde4 will use Xegl and not xgl!
[08:28] <Snake__> xegl?
[08:28] <Red_Herring> well
[08:28] <Red_Herring> im not fond of a whole new X11
[08:29] <Snake__> OMG XEGL HAS DRM
[08:29] <Red_Herring> i really would like OpenGL integrated into X11, w/o a whole new Xserver
[08:29] <Snake__> DRM - Direct Rendering Manager
[08:29] <Snake__> Hehe
[08:29] <Snake__> :)
[08:29] <Red_Herring> Snake__: what?
[08:29] <Red_Herring> oh
[08:29] <marseillai> Snake__: sorry i'm french and it would be too hard for my to explain te diffrence between xgl and xegl in english
[08:29] <Red_Herring> dude, you scared me there for a second
[08:29] <Snake__> Ah okay marseillai
[08:29] <Snake__> LOL Red_Herring
[08:29] <Red_Herring> ok
[08:29] <Red_Herring> marseillai: is xegl part of X11 or a whole new Xserver?
[08:30] <Snake__> !lart Red_Herring
[08:30] <marseillai> Snake__: i try : xgl is an addon to xorg! xegl is a complte rewrite xserver based on xorg and using openGL
[08:30] <Snake__> Ohh okay
[08:30] <Red_Herring> oh
[08:30] <Red_Herring> wait, isnt it the other way around?
[08:31] <marseillai> but xegl is not for tomorrow ... there is a lot of work
[08:34] <Snake__> Man I was just thinking..
[08:34] <Snake__> the devs at xorg are crazy
[08:35] <marseillai> why ?
[08:35] <Red_Herring> indeed
[08:35] <Snake__> Think about how much work as gone into that program
[08:35] <Red_Herring> and they skimped out on composite
[08:35] <marseillai> this time is not lost
[08:35] <Snake__> I mean xorg covers so much...it just amazes me
[08:36] <Red_Herring> yeah...
[08:36] <Snake__> I wanna see the source, but im afraid I would need to get some new underwear
[08:36] <DeBert> yeah, but i'm wondering why even 2D-graphics feels slower than under windows
[08:36] <Red_Herring> lack of good drivers
[08:37] <Snake__> Red_Herring: you still pingin that website?
[08:37] <DeBert> anybody know a good VOIP replacement for skype that supports SIP?
[08:37] <Red_Herring> Snake__: yup :-P
[08:37] <Snake__> lol
[08:38] <Red_Herring> those bastards deserve it
[08:38] <Snake__> agreed
[08:39] <Red_Herring> hrm, anyone bother to write a bash script for that?
[08:40] <Snake__> For what?
[08:40] <Red_Herring> multiple pings
[08:40] <Red_Herring> like 100 threads of pings
[08:40] <Snake__> You realize that would kill your net more than theirs right?
[08:40] <Red_Herring> i dont care
[08:40] <Red_Herring> if everyone destroyed their own to take down theirs
[08:41] <Snake__> lol
[08:41] <Red_Herring> the would would be a better place!
[08:41] <Snake__> Red_Herring: its not hard to stop a ping attack
[08:41] <Rayman> btw. One can't unlock X screens in kubuntu dapper. It doesn't accept any password.
[08:41] <Red_Herring> well w/e
[08:41] <Rayman> known issue?
[08:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> Rayman: I've noticed that  - Tried my password and root password, and they didn't work
[08:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> I ended up restarting my X server. ;)
[08:42] <deemo> can anyone help me with my network cards? they were working perfectly yesterday but today ifconfig returns nothing and eth1 is disabled and wont get reenabled
[08:42] <Rayman> CheeseBurgerMan: Same here. :f
[08:42] <Red_Herring> uhh, sudo ifconfig eth1 up?
[08:42] <Rayman> sudo ifdown ifup
[08:43] <deemo> it returned an error in the /etc/network/interfaces file
[08:43] <deemo> the line says iface eth0 inet
[08:43] <Snake__> WOooooooooooooooooooo
[08:44] <Snake__> and it looks great
[08:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> hehe
[08:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> congrats :P
[08:44] <Red_Herring> use it wisely Snake__
[08:44] <Snake__> Hehe
[08:44] <Red_Herring> dont spend it all in one place
[08:45] <Snake__> Man I love this movie
[08:45] <Snake__> Saw 2 ;)
[08:45] <Red_Herring> heh
[08:45] <Red_Herring> you know what was a good movie?
[08:45] <Red_Herring> crash
[08:45] <Snake__> My sister broke my DVD :(
[08:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> :(
[08:45] <Snake__> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :)
[08:46] <Red_Herring> anyone else here believe kubuntu should come with a WORKING and USEABLE KXDocker on the desktop by default?
[08:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> Red_Herring: KXDocker not work for you either, eh?
[08:47] <Red_Herring> CheeseBurgerMan: it works fine, just not that good
[08:47] <Red_Herring> the new kxdocker 1.0 is totally 1337
[08:47] <Snake__> wow thats a bit hypocritical
[08:47] <Red_Herring> but the old one has NO good things in it by default
[08:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> I can't put it anywhere but the bottom
[08:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> I want it at the top
[08:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> ;)
[08:47] <Red_Herring> CheeseBurgerMan: i just put everything else by the top
[08:48] <Red_Herring> but dont ya think it would be a GREAT thing to have by default?
[08:48] <Red_Herring> a nice dock with Konqueror, Kopete, Konversation, K***********
[08:48] <Red_Herring> all working, and ready to go
[08:48] <Red_Herring> right as you log in
[08:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> Red_Herring: I COULD, but I don't want everything else at the top
[08:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> So KXDocker is dead. :)
[08:49] <Red_Herring> CheeseBurgerMan: if it was by default, im sure they would fix that
[08:49] <Red_Herring> and by default it would be on the top
[08:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yup
[08:51] <Rayman> CheeseBurgerMan: should we report it or are we too lazy?
[08:52] <TeRaHuRtZ> Is the Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M still supported for 3d with the new ati drivers?
[08:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> Should report it...
[08:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> but.... ;)
[08:56] <our_didi> hi all - i'm using breezy - i would like to try amarok 1.4, that is going to be shipped with dapper and is known to be "non-compatible" (sorry i'm talking lame)  with breezy. i'm interested in this feature: "Support for plain VFAT devices in the Media Device browser".
[08:56] <our_didi> 1) any tips? 2) may i quite-safely upgrade my whole system to dapper right now? 3) is it possibile to install amarok 1.4 and new libraries it needs side-by-side with my amarok 1.3.x ?
[08:56] <Snake__> our_didi: im running 1.4 and the VFAT is not working to well
[08:56] <Snake__> our_didi: No you cant run it side by side
[08:57] <Snake__> our_didi: In my expirence with VFAT it was crashing a lot
[08:57] <our_didi> uhm .. these seem to be good point not to upgrade
[08:57] <our_didi> not for now, at least.
[08:57] <our_didi> i guess it will work in a couple of months, is this reasonable?
[08:57] <Snake__> our_didi: Just wait till april 20th :)
[08:58] <our_didi> april 20th includes the 6-weeks delay i read about today in slashdot.org news ?
[08:58] <Snake__> 6 week delay??
[08:58] <our_didi> i may be wrong
[08:59] <Snake__> our_didi: where did you see that?  I forgot. I'm using Ubuntu, and want to add them, since I reinstalled ubuntu
[09:01] <Red_Herring> our_didi: they wanna make gnome all polished and clean before they release it as dapper final
[09:01] <our_didi> that seems to be reasonable
[09:01] <Snake__> scorchsaber: the kubuntu and ubuntu repos are the same
[09:01] <Red_Herring> scorchsaber: with breezy? its in by default
[09:01] <Red_Herring> our_didi: but we wanna keep up our rep of being on time
[09:01] <scorchsaber> erm...It isn't....
[09:01] <our_didi> i come from debian, so delays and delays and delays are not a surprise to me :D
[09:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[09:02] <Red_Herring> well w/ ubuntu its very regularly scheduled
[09:02] <our_didi> yeah
[09:02] <Red_Herring> or with windows :-P
[09:02] <Snake__> scorchsaber: erm....it is. Ubuntu has the exact same repos as kubuntu
[09:02] <Snake__> !sources
[09:02] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[09:02] <scorchsaber> well, it can't, seeing as last time I had to add them, and this time I still do, seeing as I'm missing all the dependencies for KDE
[09:03] <scorchsaber> thank you
[09:03] <_niels> Is there QT4.1 packages for Ubuntu?
[09:03] <Snake__> _niels: how new is qt4.1
[09:03] <Red_Herring> can all of you just ping DonCasper?
[09:03] <Red_Herring> hes a windows lover
[09:03] <scorchsaber> I like windows. Sue me
[09:03] <_niels> Snake__: a couple of months I think.
[09:04] <Red_Herring> scorchsaber: we are both in the computer club at my school, and he wont stop talking about windows
[09:04] <Red_Herring> KILL HIM!
[09:04] <Snake__> _niels: if it was released before october, then it probly was, if not, check the repos
[09:04] <tijn> BURN THE WITCH!
[09:04] <tijn> ;)
[09:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> Red_Herring: Windows Windows Windows Windows Windows Windows :P
[09:04] <_niels> Snake__: How would I find out... there is nothing in adept... (universe, multiverse)
[09:04] <Snake__> Ugh windows isnt that bad guys
[09:04] <tijn> no
[09:04] <Snake__> _niels: hang on
[09:04] <tijn> its hell
[09:05] <Snake__> Same could be said about linux
[09:05] <Snake__> They are all hell in their own right
[09:05] <our_didi> ok thank you all.
[09:05] <our_didi> byebye
[09:05] <heinkel_111> guys...if I cannot do change ownership (chown -R myuser. direcotryname) as root...why?
[09:05] <scorchsaber> Windows has Visual Studio
[09:06] <heinkel_111> i get a lot of "operation not permitted"
[09:06] <Snake__> !qt
[09:06] <ubotu> Qt is the Q-toolkit. Qt is to KDE what GTK is to GNOME. For the Qt includes, install the libqt3-mt-dev package
[09:06] <Snake__> _niels: I think it only has QT3
[09:07] <Snake__> AH HA
[09:07] <_niels> Snake__: It has QT4.0, but not QT4.1 as far as I can see. Well, I'll just compile it myself. thanks.
[09:07] <Snake__> _niels: there is libqt4, but not 4.1
[09:07] <Snake__> Yea
[09:07] <Snake__> :-/
[09:07] <_niels> Snake__: Just coming from Gentoo... they have stuff the day it's released... :-(
[09:08] <Snake__> _niels: Yea and a good bit of broken systems :)
[09:09] <tijn> look, we have Gentoo users to test new packages, when a package contains a security bug, it only affects gentoo ppl, when its good, Kubuntu gets it ;)
[09:09] <Snake__> _niels: Anything that makes the kubuntu repos is true and tried for 6 months to show  100% stability
[09:09] <DeBert> Does anybody know of a good VOIP-client for KDE that's not skype?
[09:09] <Snake__> No, sorry DeBert
[09:09] <_niels> Snake__: Ok
[09:10] <tijn> kphone
[09:10] <Red_Herring> skype2?
[09:10] <_niels> Snake__: Is there unstable repos?
[09:10] <tijn> DeBert: kphone
[09:10] <_niels> Snake__: Multiverse?
[09:10] <heinkel_111> guys...if I cannot do change ownership (chown -R myuser. directoryname) as root...why?
[09:10] <Snake__> _niels: Hmmmmm good question.. I dont think so, but ill check
[09:10] <DeBert> ok, i'll check it out
[09:10] <DeBert> thx
[09:10] <tijn> np
[09:10] <Snake__> _niels: You can alway try to pull off of dapper repos if you want
[09:10] <tijn> just apt-cache search voip ......
[09:10] <luisito> can I convert windows cursors to X11 cursors?
[09:11] <_niels> Snake__: Is there a webbased package overview?
[09:11] <Snake__> _niels: yes hold on
[09:11] <_niels> Snake__: Just so I can see what's in dapper?
[09:11] <Snake__> Yep
[09:11] <Snake__> _niels: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[09:11] <_niels> Snake__: Ahh... sweet. thanks.
[09:12] <heinkel_111> guys...if I cannot do change ownership on a directory (sudo chown -R myuser. directoryname) as root...why?
[09:12] <_niels> Snake__: Do you know if dapper is ready for normal desktop usage?
[09:12] <Red_Herring> yes
[09:12] <Red_Herring> it really is
[09:12] <Red_Herring> i havent noticed a single bug yet
[09:13] <Snake__> _niels: In some aspects, most people say yes, but some get really really mad
[09:13] <Snake__> it wouldn't work on my system :(
[09:13] <Snake__> Xorg kept screwin up the res, even after I configed it several times
[09:13] <deemo> can anyone help me fix my network interface? every time i try to enable it in the KDE control center it just disables it again. When i do sudo ifdown ifup it says: "too few parameters for iface line" and references a line that says "iface eth0 inet". whats wrong?
[09:13] <_niels> Ok, I think I will try dapper...
[09:13] <Snake__> deemo: you have to tell it what you want to ifup/down
[09:14] <Snake__> deemo: sudo ifup eth0 for example
[09:14] <DeBert> what's in /etc/network/interfaces deemo?
[09:14] <scorchsaber> how do I get the Kubuntu Repositories for my Ubuntu System?
[09:14] <_niels> By the way, I'm really happy with kubunu, been a Gentoo user for the last two years.
[09:14] <Snake__> scorchsaber: wtf are you looking for. the kubuntu system??
[09:14] <Snake__> scorchsaber: kubuntu-desktop?
[09:14] <deemo> Snake__: it returns the same error no matter the parameters i give it
[09:15] <Snake__> deemo: ah...weird
[09:15] <DeBert> i used gentoo for a while to, but i switched cause Gentoo is for people with to much free time :)
[09:15] <Snake__> not sure :-/
[09:15] <deemo> DeBert: i would pastebin it, but i cant without internet :(
[09:15] <_niels> DeBert: Yep, you are right... or special needs.
[09:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> deemo: you can't get here without internet either... :P
[09:15] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: People can own more than one PC in this world..
[09:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, and people can write things down on paper too.
[09:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[09:16] <deemo> CheeseBurgerMan: im on a different computer, and im lazy :P
[09:16] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: well then let me write down my sources.list and snail mail it to you ok?
[09:16] <Snake__> :P
[09:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[09:16] <_niels> DeBert: It's a compromise... with Gentoo, you have total control, and bleeding edge. With Ubuntu you can install a lot faster, and stuff is nicely setup for you.
[09:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> you could write it down, and then type it in here. ;) :P
[09:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> or pastebin it
[09:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> but w/e :D
[09:17] <deemo> Actually i think i got it, i just added static to the line is was complaining about and now it works. :P
[09:17] <_niels> If Dapper has QT4.1 I'm switching right away.. :-)
[09:17] <DeBert> yep, i used slackware for years, then started drifting, and now settled for kubuntu
[09:17] <Snake__> lol
[09:17] <oskari> #ubuntu-fi
[09:17] <Red_Herring> what is faster? kde / qt4.1, or kde w/ qt 3
[09:17] <_niels> Snake__: Sweet...
[09:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> Snake__: Mine was Ubuntu, but then I decided I disliked GNOME and went to Kubuntu
[09:18] <Snake__> _niels: yep, been around since 11/24/05!! :P
[09:18] <DeBert> only problem i have with kubuntu is streaming media in my browser, but other than that i love it
[09:18] <_niels> DeBert: hmm... streaming media works fine in konqueror for me...
[09:18] <tarmath> red_herring: kde does not compile with qt4.1
[09:18] <Snake__> hehe
[09:18] <DeBert> cant get it to work, tried mplayer, xine and vlc
[09:19] <Red_Herring> ok, htne qt4
[09:19] <_niels> tarmath: I know... But I assume you can have both QT3 and QT4 on your box...???
[09:19] <Snake__> DeBert: Gotta get the firefox plugins
[09:19] <_niels> I need QT4.1 for another app that I'm developing...
[09:19] <scorchsaber> before I reinstalled ubuntu I had the Kubuntu repositories so that I could install KDE and other stuff
[09:19] <Snake__> !restricted
[09:19] <ubotu> from memory, restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[09:19] <DeBert> which ones?
[09:19] <tarmath> _niels: yes that is now a problem, I got a few of them on by box right now
[09:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> I've got firefox with java, and then I've got Opera with flash. :P
[09:19] <slow-motion> re
[09:19] <tarmath> _niels: now = not
[09:19] <Snake__> DeBert: I think it tells you there
[09:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> I've not yet bothered to try getting them both working in one browser.
[09:20] <_niels> tarmath: Sweet.
[09:20] <heinkel_111> guys...if I cannot do change ownership (chown -R myuser. directoryname) as root...why?
[09:20] <DeBert> yeah, i know that guide, but still some wont load, like stuff on uitzendinggemist
[09:20] <Snake__> DeBert: indeed it does
[09:20] <tarmath> _niels: are you using new features from qt4.1 ?
[09:20] <Snake__> o
[09:20] <Snake__> heinkel_111: are you using sudo?
[09:20] <_niels> tarmath: Yep, I'm developing an opensource app (www.kommute.net), and it only compiles with QT4.1.
[09:20] <heinkel_111> opps yes i am
[09:21] <heinkel_111> guys...if I cannot do change ownership (sudo chown -R myuser. directoryname) as root...why?
[09:21] <Snake__> lol
[09:21] <heinkel_111> ;)
[09:21] <Snake__> Hmm
[09:21] <DeBert> btw, how do you guys do that, send messages directly to me, so that konversation in taskbar starts flashing?
[09:21] <Snake__> DeBert: say your name :)
[09:21] <DeBert> LOL, that's it?
[09:21] <Snake__> Yep
[09:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> Simple, eh?
[09:21] <tijn> heh
[09:22] <heinkel_111> anyway if that is not permitted....is there a special protection attribute i will need to change?
[09:22] <tijn> anyone knows about autorejoin on kick?
[09:22] <tarmath> _niels: the app looks clean, Ive never heard of MUTE though
[09:22] <Red_Herring> DeBert: say your name
[09:22] <_niels> DeBert: just type the beginning of the name... and then tab...
[09:22] <DeBert> _niels: like this?
[09:22] <tijn> .me gets kickes alot :/
[09:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol :P
[09:22] <tijn> i mean :D
[09:22] <_niels> tarmath: Thanks. Well, MUTE is a anonymous p2p library.
[09:23] <_niels> DeBert: :-)
[09:23] <Snake__> _niels: C++?
[09:23] <_niels> Snake__: Yep
[09:23] <Snake__> :)
[09:23] <Snake__> Python for life
[09:23] <tarmath> python IS cool
[09:23] <tarmath> but c++ too hehe
[09:23] <Red_Herring> c++ kicks java's sorry ass!
[09:24] <Snake__> No crap
[09:24] <tarmath> talking about java, I cant get to install azureus, Ive added all the crazy repositories out there in every faq but its still now showing on the apps list...
[09:25] <Xybernaut> hi
[09:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> hi
[09:25] <Red_Herring> tarmath: in terminal type "azureus"
[09:25] <Xybernaut> how i'm install kubuntu live cd from system ?
[09:25] <DeBert> lo
[09:25] <Red_Herring> that will do it
[09:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> Um, download the install CD, burn it, and install it.
[09:25] <Snake__> Xybernaut: You have to get the install CD
[09:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> See? Like I said. :P
[09:26] <tarmath> red_herring: that would require it to be installed first lad...
[09:26] <Snake__> :)
[09:26] <_niels> That is just so sweet... Dapper: libqt4-core (4.1.0-3ubuntu3) [universe]
[09:26] <Snake__> tarmath: Its a script I think
[09:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> tarmath: It doesn't need to be installed
[09:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> exactly
[09:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> :)
[09:26] <Snake__> tarmath: look around your azurus dir for a script called "azureus" and try runnign that
[09:26] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: how long you been on linux?
[09:26] <DeBert> btw, i thought that karamba would be integrated in dapper?
[09:27] <tarmath> theres no such thing
[09:27] <CheeseBurgerMan> Snake__: Since late January
[09:27] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: nice
[09:27] <CheeseBurgerMan> :)
[09:27] <Red_Herring> heh
[09:27] <Snake__> tarmath: cd into you azureus dir and pastebin the results of a "ls"
[09:27] <Red_Herring> can we have a meeting on what we want kubuntu to have by defalt and integrated?
[09:27] <Red_Herring> i mean, i got some ideas
[09:28] <Red_Herring> its clear others got some great ones too
[09:28] <Snake__> Red_Herring: They already had that
[09:28] <Red_Herring> damn
[09:28] <Red_Herring> did i miss it?
[09:28] <Snake__> Yulp
[09:28] <swedish> how do i install new programs?
[09:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> Apaprently
[09:28] <_niels> Where can I download the latest dapper iso?
[09:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> swedish: sudo apt-get install <package>
[09:28] <Snake__> swedish: open up adept, pick a program, click install
[09:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> oh yeah
[09:28] <swedish> i did that
[09:28] <swedish> snake
[09:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> THen press "Commit Changes"
[09:28] <swedish> did that too
[09:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK
[09:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> Then it's installed...
[09:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> :)
[09:28] <Snake__> okay..so whats the prob?
[09:28] <Snake__> lol
[09:28] <Snake__> ":)
[09:29] <swedish> i type make though, and it doesnt work
[09:29] <swedish> im trying to install make
[09:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> restart Konsole.
[09:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> I assume you installed build-essentials
[09:29] <swedish> uhh
[09:29] <swedish> i dunno
[09:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh.
[09:29] <Snake__> swedish: sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[09:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, that.
[09:30] <swedish> can i use adept?
[09:30] <Snake__> swedish: yep
[09:30] <swedish> ok
[09:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> Adept is just a GUI for apt.
[09:30] <swedish> got build-essentials
[09:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> Good, now try make
[09:30] <swedish> k
[09:31] <Red_Herring> CheeseBurgerMan: is it apt or aptitude?
[09:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hmm, not sure
[09:31] <swedish> it works, but now bison doesnt =0)    (its a compilers project)
[09:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> I call it apt.
[09:31] <Snake__> Red_Herring: those are 2 diffrent programs
[09:31] <swedish> hmmm
[09:31] <swedish> wait
[09:32] <swedish> i tried selecting a bunch of programs
[09:32] <swedish> then hitting commit
[09:32] <swedish> do i have to do one at a time?
[09:32] <Snake__> No
[09:32] <Snake__> They should have all installed
[09:32] <swedish> well they didnt hehe
[09:32] <Snake__> (and removed if you picked anything to take out)
[09:32] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: handle em lol, I g2g
[09:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol, I'll try
[09:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> later
[09:33] <Snake__> cya
[09:33] <swedish> ill just do one at a time
[09:33] <swedish> it seems to work that way
[09:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> It installs more than one program at the same time
[09:41] <swedish> does anyone know anything about compilers?
[09:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> Only that it very rarely works. :P
[09:42] <swedish> hehe
[09:44] <MikeStyleNet> hi guys, how would i configure the applications menu in flux/open/black box ?
[09:44] <heinkel_111> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=4010.0 <---- HELP!
[09:49] <fromeroc> I have installed kubuntu on ubuntu and I want to remove" how can I do that?
[09:50] <KaoticEvil> hey everyone :)
[09:51] <KaoticEvil> anyone familiar with wine?
[09:52] <leafw> red wine from Spanish Rioja's vineyards? Yeah.
[09:52] <leafw> jk
[09:54] <brett> hey
[09:55] <brett> i was wondering if there was a way to take programs from one linux distro and use it onubuntu
[09:55] <apardo> HI everyone!
[09:55] <apardo> My name is ALexis
[09:56] <frank23> brett: it might be possible... what program from what distro?
[09:56] <netsurf3> i am getting an insaine number of drops from internet and crashes of hotplug it seems as i have a usb key which crashes on insert of the machine anyone able to shed some ideas WTF is going on i am using the RT2570 drivers
[09:57] <leafw> I can play mp3 with xmms and with audacity
[09:57] <leafw> what's the trick to make amarok play anything
[09:57] <leafw> n osound
[09:57] <DeBert> no mp3, or no sound at all?
[09:57] <Rayman> I wonder when they invent a package system with patch ability.
[09:58] <leafw> amarok plays nothing
[09:58] <fromeroc> I have installed kubuntu on ubuntu and I want to remove" how can I do that?
[09:58] <fromeroc> I have installed kubuntu on ubuntu and I want to remove" how can I do that?
[09:58] <Rayman> leafw: dapper?
[09:58] <leafw> breezy
[09:58] <frank23> leafw: I use amarok-xine instead of amarok-gstreamer
[09:58] <DeBert> leafw: did u install gstreamer-mad?
[09:58] <leafw> frank23: where, is that a settings option?
[09:59] <frank23> leafw: you have to download the amarok-xine package and change the engine in the amarok configuration
[10:00] <DeBert> frank23: installing gstreamer-mad is easier ;)
[10:00] <leafw> I think I have the mad
[10:00] <leafw> let me check
[10:00] <netsurf3> any ideas on my crashing problem?
[10:00] <netsurf3> i am that fed up i think i will use suse
[10:01] <frank23> DeBert: it never worked for me though. I don't know why. I just gave up on gstreamer :(
[10:02] <leafw> I'm on ppc
[10:02] <leafw> I have gstreamer0.8-mad installed
[10:02] <leafw> xmms is fine, and amarok is not
[10:02] <DeBert> hmmm, than listen to frank23, and switch to xine engine :)
[10:02] <leafw> I am doing that
[10:03] <leafw> can't find the option to change though in amarol
[10:04] <leafw> *amarok
[10:04] <leafw> it only lists the arts engine
[10:05] <DeBert> weird
[10:06] <frank23> leafw: you installed amarok-xine?
[10:06] <leafw> yes
[10:06] <frank23> leafw: restart amarok?
[10:06] <leafw> I did
[10:06] <leafw> xD
[10:07] <frank23> leafw: strange. my engine options are gstreamer and xine
[10:08] <leafw> I restarted again, now it lists the -xine package. But amarok froze.
[10:15] <KaoticEvil> wow
[10:15] <netsurf3> how can i disable blue tooth modules from being loaded?
[10:15] <KaoticEvil> i cant believe i just got diablo to install :O
[10:15] <KaoticEvil> wine rocks! :D
[10:21] <anubis> KDE in 64bit Ubuntu
[10:21] <anubis> why can't I change Kweather to F instead of C?
[10:26] <heinkel_111> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=4010.0 <---- need help!
[10:28] <Snake__> Is there a way to remove all the files with the word "hack" in a dir?
[10:33] <sirblue> anubis: cause it sucks, better get some superkarambathing for weatherreports
[10:34] <ziza> Snaje_: i'm sure there is, i'm thinking hard about a solution :)
[10:34] <Snake__> ziza: lol im tryin to
[10:34] <ziza> do you mean "hack" anywhere in the file name, recursive too?
[10:35] <Snake__> ziza: it has to be anywhere in the file name, and doesnt need to be recurisive
[10:35] <ziza> does *hack* not work?
[10:35] <Snake__> ziza: something to the extent of what "rm *hack*.*" would do :)
[10:35] <Snake__> Naw
[10:37] <ziza> ls *shared* seems to work in one of my directories
[10:38] <Snake__> ziza: snake@Laptop:~/Downloads/ROMS/Super Mario Bros.$ ls *hack*
[10:38] <Snake__> ls: *hack*: No such file or directory
[10:39] <ziza> weird
[10:40] <ziza> even ls *6* works here..
[10:40] <Snake__> Hmm
[10:41] <ziza> you got a virus!
[10:41] <Snake__> ziza: would it be that its actually (hack) do anything??
[10:41] <ziza> j/k :D
[10:41] <g-e-n-t-o-o> Pleas help, what for package i need to play wmv?
[10:41] <ziza> impossible, anything after ls are just parameters
[10:43] <Snake__> AH HA
[10:43] <Snake__> GOT IT
[10:43] <Snake__> ziza: rm -rf * Hack\)*
[10:43] <ziza> hmmmm :)
[10:44] <ziza> needed to escape the parantheses?
[10:44] <ziza> since when is that necessary?
[10:44] <Snake__> Apparently it is
[10:44] <Snake__> lol
[10:45] <ziza> yea, seems so
[10:45] <ziza> but why do you need to include it? :)
[10:48] <Snake__> Dunno
[10:58] <sorush20> guys I keep getting the message that I can't save to my folders.. I get the message when I try to do this with ksnapshot
[11:00] <bipolar> are we going to get a Flight 5 Kubuntu CD soon?
[11:02] <ixiion> hello i have a little problem Gwenview don like to open jpg files with the extension jpg oder jpeg only when i remove the extension it works what is this ?
[11:05] <ixiion> no idea ?
[11:06] <mzelem> Every time I try to use "perl -MCPAN -e 'install Some::PERL::Module'" it will never successfully make, anyone know why?
[11:08] <bipolar> ixiion: does Gwenview try to open the file?
[11:09] <ixiion> when i click the file Gwenview starts
[11:09] <ixiion> btw. the file is not broken
[11:09] <ixiion> when i remove the extensioon .jpg ist opens fine
[11:09] <bipolar> does it open other files w/ the extention, just not that one?
[11:10] <ixiion> all files with the extension .jpg cant be open
[11:11] <bipolar> does it give you an error?
[11:11] <ixiion> no
[11:11] <AnObfuscator>  I can't get Kaffeine to play DVDs... I tried the instructions in the "Restricted Formats" Wiki, and i got MP3's working, but I can't play regular DVD's...
[11:11] <ixiion> Gwenview only poup with a file opend
[11:11] <ixiion> popup
[11:12] <bipolar> so gwenview opens, but doesn't display a file.... just like if you started gwenview from the menu?
[11:12] <ixiion> yes
[11:12] <AnObfuscator> Kaffeine just says "could not read title information", which I guess means DeCSS is not working
[11:12] <bipolar> strange.....
[11:12] <ixiion> yes :)
[11:12] <bipolar> ixiion: I wonder if it's having trouble reading the file path for some reason....
[11:13] <ixiion> but the file is directly in my home folder
[11:13] <bipolar> ixiion: try running gwenview from the command line, and specifiy the file to open as an option.
[11:13] <bipolar> ixiion: like "gwenview /home/name/file.jpg"
[11:14] <ixiion> dont work
[11:15] <ixiion> ah i see a error
[11:15] <bipolar> ixiion: whats the error?
[11:16] <ixiion> http://paste.debian.net/5158
[11:18] <bipolar> ixiion: none of those are the problem...
[11:18] <ixiion> yeah i saw that the errors come when i already colsed gwenview
[11:19] <ixiion> closed
[11:19] <bipolar> ixiion: try to give it the full path to the file. gwenview /home/ixiion/.kde/share/wallpapers/cooltux.jpg
[11:21] <ixiion> also dont work
[11:21] <ixiion> but i made a mv cooltux.jpg cooltux and oppend it then and this works
[11:21] <eva_> Which repository do I need to get supertux 0.1.3?
[11:22] <bipolar> ixiion: what software versions do you have? ubuntu/kde/gwenview
[11:23] <eva_> How can i find out where to find supertux 0.1.3 for kubuntu=
[11:23] <eva_> ???
[11:23] <ixiion> i installed kubuntu dapper flight 4 and updated to flight 5 i think (it updated 200 packets)
[11:23] <bipolar> eva_: did you try 'apt-get install supertux'?
[11:24] <bipolar> ixiion: I've got an up to date install of dapper as well and do not see this problem on my system :\
[11:24] <ixiion> i installed the system on march 10
[11:25] <eva_> bipolar, Of course, and I got version 0.1.2 which doesn't have the new levels.
[11:25] <ixiion> and didnt changed very much i think esspecialley not something about jpg
[11:25] <bipolar> eva_: then it's not in the repositories yet. you'll have to wait or built it yourself.
[11:25] <durga> how do i minimize evolution to the system tray ?
[11:26] <ixiion> or add multiverse and univere to you sources.list
[11:26] <flixor-> man everybody read already about the secity bug in breezy
[11:27] <Snake__> flixor-: Let me play MS for a moment..
[11:27] <flixor-> yes Snake__
[11:27] <Snake__> "Its not the softwares fault, obviously you installed it wrong, if you system gets hacked thats your fault. You should be paying me $50 a year for our defender software!"
[11:28] <Snake__> Hehe
[11:28] <eva_> bipolar, but isn't there some other unsupported repositories?
[11:28] <ixiion> how do i regularly link a filetype with a preferred programm ?
[11:29] <bipolar> eva_: if there were, it would not have a newer version. repos don't duplicate packages.
[11:29] <eva_> bipolar, Where can I find some unsupported repositories?
[11:32] <ixiion> hu when i do a OPEN in gwenview an klick the file it works
[11:32] <k0llin> ixiion -> right click the file, properties, click the spanner by the filetype, then either add the program you want, or change the order to have that program at the top of the list
[11:33] <ixiion> or use the konqueror for file link administration right ?
[11:33] <Snake__> eva_: I dont know what your trying to do but perhaps check out klik? http://klik.atekon.de/
[11:33] <ixiion> thats what i did
[11:33] <shawn__> hey does kubuntu have a firewall running by defualt?
[11:33] <k0llin> I dunno, that's the way I was told to it, and it works for me. (^.^;)>
[11:34] <shawn__> because I'm running amule and I keep getting a low ID, I've already open my router ports
[11:34] <eva_> Snake__, I want to install supertux 0.1.3 on breezy!!!
[11:35] <jeekl> Anyone here who knows a thing or two about ssh and have some time over to helt a newbie? I'm trying to start a ssh-server on my box to let my friend in, but he keeps getting authentivation errors. What do I do to fix that?
[11:36] <flixor-> is he logging in from an other linux box
[11:36] <Rayman> eva_: http://supertux.berlios.de/wiki/index.php/Download/Installation#Gentoo_Linux
[11:36] <jeekl> flixor-: no, xp via winscp (http://winscp.net/eng/index.php)
[11:37] <flixor-> but can you login yourself
[11:37] <ixiion> let him try putty
[11:38] <eva_> Rayman, I moved from gentoo, because ubuntu should be much more easy to use, but I have found out that after the installation gentoo seems to be better than ubuntu on the desktop. Of course that when gentoo breaks then I needed help from a man!!
[11:38] <jeekl> Just to make this clear, I've created a user account on my box for him, added the user to allowusers in sshd_config. Should I do anything else than that?
[11:38] <eva_> Rayman, That's why I'm now on ubuntu, I'm just missing supertux 0.1.3!!!
[11:40] <eva_> Rayman, is it possible to run emerge on Ubuntu?
[11:41] <ixiion> it is but i dont think anyone would recommand it only whn you know what you do
[11:42] <ixiion> emerge is link apt but for gentoo
[11:42] <ixiion> like
[11:42] <Blippe> eva_ 0.1.2 aint got what you want?
[11:43] <eva_> Blippe, Nooo It doesn't have the new levels!!!!
[11:43] <Blippe> eva_, I guess the next version will be in dapper
[11:43] <eva_> Blippe, It is!! But I have breezy and dapper is not yet releazed
[11:44] <ixiion> supertux support autopackage
[11:45] <vicks> is there a place to suggest new programs to go inte to the repos?
[11:45] <vicks> into*
[11:46] <vicks> i think it would be great if lphoto was in the repos
[11:47] <vicks> actually i think it would be cool if it was installed in the base system. it much more easy to use than digikam
[11:49] <eva_> Thanx for the help guys!
[11:54] <ganymed_> hallo
[11:56] <Psi-Jack> !spca5xx
[11:56] <ubotu> spca5xx is probably Breezy drivers for spca5xx based webcams are broken :( Follow this wiki if they dont work for you - - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75284&page=15
[11:57] <slow-motion> n8
[12:00] <Psi-Jack> What version of gcc is the breezy kernel-image compiled with? Does anyone know?
[12:01] <nuky> is there a way to make .bash_history store unlimited lines of history? i use a crontab to backup my history every night but sometime si miss bits and sometime si get overlaps.. :/
[12:01] <bipolar> Psi-Jack: that link that ubotu gave you, do you know if that's already fixed in dapper?
[12:01] <Psi-Jack> bipolar: Why do you assume everyone will be running Dapper before it's released? :p
[12:01] <bipolar> Psi-Jack: I had this exact thing happen with a couple of cameras, and didn't do enough research to find that fix. :)
[12:01] <Psi-Jack> Oh..
[12:02] <Psi-Jack> I don't know. ONE can hope it'll be fixed. :)
[12:02] <bipolar> Psi-Jack: I'm running dapper now, let me test it. heh... If I drop off, it's not fixed :P
[12:03] <m_tadeu> hi everyone...what package should i install in order to have java virtual machine working?


[01:55] <slangasek> stgraber, infinity, xnox: fyi I posted some more information about my own plymouth findings to bug #1362333
[01:55] <ubot2> bug 1362333 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "After reboot of Ubuntu installation, password for LVM encryption is not accepted" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1362333
[10:47] <apw> slangasek, i think i have proved that that is a plymouth issue, not sure what the issue is mind ... info in the bug
[10:59] <LocutusOfBorg1> ginggs, thanks for testing
[10:59] <LocutusOfBorg1> I hope I'll get the Ffe
[11:01] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg1: You are welcome.  I was just to about to ask here if someone could take a look :)
[11:01] <LocutusOfBorg1> BTW I'm debian maintainer for both of them, if it matters, and also upstream developer of ettercap :)
[11:01] <LocutusOfBorg1> and yes, I build them on ubuntu, so thanks for rebuilding, but I usually test them on trusty/utopic :)
[11:03] <LocutusOfBorg1> virtualbox actually fixes two RC on debian, due to the xorg 1.16 switch
[11:03] <LocutusOfBorg1> and ettercap fixes a really serious bug that makes it (almost) useless on some conditions
[11:03] <LocutusOfBorg1> I tried my best to release ASAP, but I failed because of the debian freeze :(
[11:04] <ginggs> Hi release team, I'm looking for FFes for LP: #1382034, LP: #1382848 and LP: #1382922 please.
[11:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1382034 in modem-manager-gui (Ubuntu) "FFe: Sync modem-manager-gui <IP_ADDRESS>-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1382034
[11:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1382848 in ettercap (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Sync ettercap 1:0.8.1-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1382848
[11:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1382922 in virtualbox-guest-additions-iso (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Sync virtualbox and guest additions 4.3.18-dfsg-1 (multiverse) from Debian unstable (contrib)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1382922
[14:22] <pitti> cjwatson, Laney: distro-info problem? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/utopic-adt-pbuilder/20/ARCH=i386,label=adt/console
[14:22] <pitti> ubuntu-distro-info: Invalid date `2016-01-30' in file `/usr/share/distro-info/ubuntu.csv' at line 23 in column `eol'.
[14:23] <pitti> not sure what's invalid in that date, though
[14:23] <Laney> Hm
[14:25] <infinity> That doesn't make a lot of sense.
[14:25] <rbasak> Missing EOL at end of the line?
[14:25] <cjwatson> Not in what I committed ...
[14:26] <infinity> Looks fine to me.
[14:26] <rbasak> Sorry. Just a random guess as to why a CSV might appear right but parse wrong.
[14:27] <cjwatson> but it does fail locally for me
[14:29] <Laney>            date->month == 1 ? 29 : days_in_month[date->month-1]);
[14:29] <Laney> It's probably that
[14:29] <Laney> s/30/29/ fixes it
[14:29] <infinity> *blink*
[14:29] <cjwatson> Err
[14:29] <infinity> 29 days in January, eh?
[14:29] <cjwatson> date->month == 2 surely
[14:29] <Laney> Yes
[14:30] <cjwatson> distro-info-util.c:           date->month == 2 ? 29 : days_in_month[date->month-1]);
[14:30] <cjwatson> in git
[14:30] <cjwatson> http://bugs.debian.org/766142 I think
[14:30] <ubot2> Debian bug 766142 in distro-info "distro-info: Invalid date in ubuntu.csv" [Important,Fixed]
[14:31] <cjwatson> so I guess we just sync distro-info once that's available?
[14:31] <cjwatson> and remember that we need to update that in stables before distro-info-data
[14:31] <infinity> Yeahp.
[14:31] <infinity> Fun bug.
[14:31] <Laney> Might want to upload it if it's breaking autopkgtests
[14:31] <cjwatson> oh it breaks other tests too?
[14:31] <cjwatson> ah yeah, bah
[14:32] <infinity> Anything that uses distro-info, I suppose.
[14:32] <cjwatson> somebody wanna do that?  in meeting
[14:32] <infinity> Yeah, I'll do it.
[14:32] <Laney> Can review
[14:37] <infinity> Laney: ^
[14:42] <Laney> Soz, was eating a bagel, looking
[14:45] <Laney> ✔
[14:49] <infinity> There are bagels?
[14:49] <infinity> WHY DID NO ONE TELL ME THERE WERE BAGELS.
[14:49] <mdeslaur> infinity: dude! bagels!
[14:53] <kenvandine> bagels?
[14:53] <Laney> You wanted a bunker, you got a bunker
[14:53] <kenvandine> :-D
[14:53]  * Laney collects dead rats
[14:55] <infinity> No, seriously, where are these bagels?
[14:56] <infinity> This has suddenly become very important.
[14:56] <Laney> In the coffee area upstairs
[14:56] <infinity> Oh, there's good stuff if I leave the dungeon?  Check.
[14:57]  * knome lols
[14:57] <knome> infinity, get some food :D
[14:58]  * Laney gnaws on knome
[14:58] <knome> oh mi gosh!
[14:58] <knome> i'm not a bagel
[14:58] <elfy> possibly a worse choice than bagel
[14:58]  * knome offers some meatloaf for Laney
[15:27] <Riddell> emergency SRU needed to fix release upgrade notification in kubuntu, bug 1383767
[15:27] <ubot2> bug 1383767 in muon (Ubuntu Utopic) "muon does not find releasechecker" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1383767
[15:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: probably worth pinging on ubuntu-release ML as well?
[15:41] <pitti> infinity: FTR, uploading fresh langpacks now; there were a few gotchas this morning
[15:46] <Laney> LocutusOfBorg1: Would you please include the upstream changes in your ffes?
[15:48] <LocutusOfBorg1> lamont, yes, THANKS!!!!
[15:48] <Laney> umm
[15:48] <LocutusOfBorg1> going to add changelogs
[15:50] <LocutusOfBorg1> lamont, changelogs added for virtualbox :)
[15:51] <LocutusOfBorg1> the guest-additions changelog I guess isn't needed, right?
[15:51] <lamont> LocutusOfBorg1: I am not related to this, correct?
[15:51] <LocutusOfBorg1> sorry s/lamont/laney
[15:51] <LocutusOfBorg1> :( damn tab
[15:51] <cjwatson> apw: do the signed char conversions work out right in your plymouth upload?  I think I'd be more comfortable if you were using uint8_t *
[15:51] <cjwatson> like ply_write_uint32
[15:52] <cjwatson> it's not actually treated as characters anywhere
[15:52] <apw> cjwatson, i can do that
[16:05] <infinity> apw: I can haz new patch, so we can test here?
[16:08] <apw> infinity, yep when i've gotten it building again ...
[16:15] <shibata> Hi all. Can someone check LP: #1382132 ? And could you tell me where channel should I contact?
[16:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1382132 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Unicorn first slideshow haven't changed from Tahr" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1382132
[16:24] <Riddell> 16:27 < Riddell> emergency SRU needed to fix release upgrade notification in kubuntu, bug 1383767
[16:24] <ubot2> bug 1383767 in muon (Ubuntu Utopic) "muon does not find releasechecker" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1383767
[16:31] <slangasek> Riddell: have you seen that muon ftbfs on all archs in utopic-proposed?
[16:31] <slangasek> /build/buildd/muon-2.2.0/installer/ResourceView/ResourceDelegate.cpp:37:34: fatal error: Nepomuk/KRatingPainter: No such file or directory
[16:31] <slangasek>  #include <Nepomuk/KRatingPainter>
[16:31] <slangasek>                                   ^
[16:31] <slangasek> compilation terminated.
[16:36] <slangasek> Riddell: your SRU upload also misses the bug reference in the changelog (and ought to be numbered -0ubuntu3.2 rather than -0ubuntu3.1.1).  Will you upload a fix or do you need me to?
[16:48] <apw> infinity, ok the patch at: http://people.canonical.com/~apw/misc/plymouth-split-writes.debdiff should be up to date
[17:28] <apw> ^ infinity, kernel update as requested ...
[17:59] <infinity> Laney: Man, that aisleriot commit/comment is pretty hostile.
[17:59] <infinity> Laney: Can't we all just get along?
[17:59] <Laney> Yeah, no joke
[17:59] <slangasek> pitti: hi, do you see anything in this build log that would account for missing ddebs? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/179654105/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-i386.bzip2_1.0.6-5ubuntu4_UPLOADING.txt.gz
[17:59] <Laney> We had one like that in gnome-terminal a few months ago
[17:59] <Laney> So when I noticed there weren't proper menus in aisleriot, and remembered who the maintainer was, ...
[18:00] <slangasek> pitti: (this was after I specifically fixed bzip2's build system to generate ddebs properly; but they're missing for i386 and amd64, maybe it's an already-fixed bug somewhere and we just need to no-change rebuild?)
[18:00] <Laney> GNOME decided that wasn't cool so we just pushed the commit straight upstream
[18:00] <pitti> slangasek: not really, that looks good to me
[18:00] <slangasek> ok
[18:01] <slangasek> infinity: ^^ can I shove in a no-change rebuild of bzip2 to try to get debugsyms?
[18:01] <cjwatson> infinity: hey, could you make https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+series look consistent between utopic and vivid?  apparently the mismatching display name triggers a sorting bug on the bug nominate-for-series form
[18:04] <infinity> cjwatson: Oh, I got the wrong bits in the wrong fields, I guess.  Can fix.
[18:05] <infinity> slangasek: Go nuts.
[18:06] <slangasek> infinity: AHAAHAhahahaHAHAHAaha

[18:07] <cjwatson> infinity: we should clear priority-mismatches
[18:08] <infinity> cjwatson: vivid fixed.
[18:08] <slangasek> vixed?
[18:08] <cjwatson> vhanks
[18:09] <infinity> cjwatson: Nothing in p-m looks terribly scary, except that I knee-jerked at acl, thinking it was acl2.
[18:10] <infinity> And I'm all for perl in required.  You go, perl.
[18:10] <slangasek> knee-jerking an acl is a good way to get injured
[18:12] <infinity> cjwatson: Were you going to attack those, or did you want me to?  (don't want to race).
[18:13] <cjwatson> infinity: I can do it but it'll be half an hour or so
[18:14] <infinity> slangasek: So, are you sure ddeb-retriever is actually going to pick these up correctly this time?
[18:15] <infinity> cjwatson: Right, I can do it.
[18:17] <cjwatson> infinity: thanks
[18:18] <infinity> Architecture-independent packages missing from some architectures:
[18:18] <infinity> ------------------------------------------------------------------
[18:18] <infinity> infernal-doc [arm64 armhf i386 powerpc ppc64el]
[18:18]  * infinity blinks.
[18:19]  * ogra_ guesses they are infernal for a reason
[18:19] <infinity> That looks sort of NBS.
[18:24] <infinity> wgrant: Come to the release lair when you have a chance.  I have something for you to scratch your head over.
[18:24] <slangasek> infinity: no I have no confidence in ddeb-retriever in spite of the run of fixes done to it, so this remains best-effort until wgrant gives us swiftbrarian
[18:24] <infinity> slangasek: s/wgrant/IS/
[18:44] <slangasek> bdmurray: infinity wants to make sure you know that if you're doing boost1.55, boost-mpi-source1.55 has to be uploaded with it with a matching source version number
[18:48] <slangasek> bdmurray: also, boost1.55 is on all the images so if you were to do that one, it should be uploaded soonish - otherwise we should skip it
[18:50] <jibel_> infinity, bug 1383851
[18:50] <ubot2> bug 1383851 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Cannot enter LVM encryption password in qemu with -vga std" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1383851
[18:52] <bdmurray> slangasek: I've contacted pitti about watching for the ddebs
[18:52] <slangasek> ok
[19:20] <slangasek> so virt-manager does -device VGA,id=video0,bus=pci.0,addr=0x2 instead of -std vga; how do these compare?
[19:20] <slangasek> sorry, -vga std
[19:22] <infinity> doko: You need to upload all the gcc-4.8 cross packages to drop the binaries that the 4.9 packages produce.
[19:23] <doko> infinity, do you still care about 4.8?
[19:23] <infinity> doko: No, I care that the archive doesn't have a broken mess of binaries.
[19:23] <infinity>  lib64atomic1-powerpc-cross | 4.8.2-16ubuntu3cross0.11 | utopic/universe | all
[19:23] <infinity>  lib64atomic1-powerpc-cross | 4.9.1-16ubuntu6cross0.4  | utopic          | all
[19:23] <doko> ok, let's remove them
[19:23] <infinity> doko: ^-- For instance.
[19:23] <infinity> doko: If anyone were to try to upload 4.8, it would be rejected.
[19:24] <infinity> doko: Err, I don't want to remove the compilers at this point in the release, someone might be using them, and I'm not going to do a poll. :P
[19:24] <wxl> release notes are /release-full-name/ReleaseNotes/optional-flavor correct?
[19:24] <infinity> doko: So, please remove the unshipped binaries?
[19:25] <slangasek> the arm ones in particular still might be used somewhere for android bits
[19:26] <infinity> wxl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8618664/
[19:26] <doko> infinity, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.8-powerpc-cross/+bug/1383864
[19:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1383864 in gcc-4.8-powerpc-cross (Ubuntu) "please remove the gcc-4.8-*-cross packages, superseded by gcc-4.9" [Undecided,New]
[19:26] <infinity> wxl: That's a handy list of the redirects, which should show were we expect release notes.
[19:26] <infinity> doko: Like I said... I don't want to remove them two days before release when I don't know if people might be using them.
[19:26] <infinity> doko: And it's way too late to conduct a poll and find out.
[19:27] <slangasek> infinity: I would argue the only people we need to poll about this are the phonedations team with regards to android builds
[19:27] <infinity> wxl: Mentally change 14.04 to 14.10 and TrustyTahr to UtopicUnicorn, of course. :)
[19:27] <infinity> slangasek: Perhaps, yes.
[19:27] <slangasek> as they're the only extra-archive consumers of non-default cross-compilers that I'm aware of
[19:27] <infinity> slangasek: Care to poll?
[19:28] <slangasek> rsalveti: ^^ are you guys still using gcc-4.8-armhf-cross anywhere?
[19:31] <wxl> thx infinity
[19:32] <slangasek> doko: discussion here notes that some of these cross-compilers are still relevant for cross-building of arm kernels
[19:42] <rsalveti> slangasek: kernel I guess
[19:42] <slangasek> ok
[19:42] <slangasek> are the android bits all built from the source package now?
[19:46] <rsalveti> slangasek: not for krillin, as unfortunately the pes guys still need to get that in a package
[19:46] <rsalveti> at least the kernel side of it
[19:46]  * slangasek nods
[19:46] <slangasek> do you know which compiler that uses?
[19:52] <rsalveti> slangasek: still the proprietary ones that are not provided by our archive
[19:52] <slangasek> aha
[19:56] <mapreri> might I know if a two-last-day sync like this http://www.mapreri.org/debian/debdiffs/scribus/1.4.4+dfsg1-1_1.4.4+dfsg1-2.debdiff is acceptable (is a only 100 rows debdiff, but really simple). it fixes a nasty bug I introduced, and has really no potential regressions (it can't make the situation worst)
[20:02] <infinity> doko: Right, so it seems the conclusion is that you need to remove your duplicate binaries, not the sources.
[20:02] <cjwatson> (that is, upload so the sources don't build those any more, not just remove-package)
[20:02] <Riddell> slangasek: muon 2.2.0-0ubuntu3.2 uploaded to trusty-proposed awaiting approval by ~ubuntu-sru
[20:03] <doko> jdstrand, infinity: openjdk-7 uploaded
[20:04] <slangasek> Riddell: accepted
[20:04] <infinity> doko: Can that be done in a PPA instead and queued up for an SRU?
[20:04] <infinity> doko: That's a bit too large for release week.
[20:04] <doko> mehh, it's the security update ...
[20:04] <Riddell> thanks slangasek
[20:05] <mapreri> infinity: ↑ ? (I'd like an ack for http://www.mapreri.org/debian/debdiffs/scribus/1.4.4+dfsg1-1_1.4.4+dfsg1-2.debdiff to utopic (a sync))
[20:05] <slangasek> doko: which means there's a perfectly good -security pocket that this can go to
[20:05] <infinity> doko: What he said.
[20:06] <doko> jdstrand, can you pick it from unapproved or rejected?
[20:18] <bdmurray> infinity: how long do I have for these no change rebuild uploads?
[20:19] <infinity> bdmurray: Many hours.
[20:26] <Laney> Is there still a $world respin happening?
[20:31] <cjwatson> Laney: yeah but will need a new slideshow first
[20:31] <cjwatson> Laney: any help finding somebody who can crop out an appropriately stylised unicorn logo would be appreciated
[20:32] <Laney> Umm, d...design?
[20:32] <cjwatson> apparently marketing used to do it
[20:32] <cjwatson> and design are all doing phone stuff ... but we may have to go back to them
[20:33] <cjwatson> should just require gimp though, there's one of the wallpapers from the design contest that's almost right, my gimp skills just aren't up to cramming it into the right shape
[20:41] <cjwatson> bdmurray: could you reupload gmp and libpciaccess as rebuilds rather than ubuntu versions, please?  dch -R
[20:42] <cjwatson> no point inhibiting future autosyncs here
[20:42] <cjwatson> think I may have missed that for expat
[20:45] <infinity> Riddell: That muon SRU is FTBFS on all arches.
[20:48] <Laney> please review that, per mapreri
[20:49] <bdmurray> cjwatson: will do
[20:50] <wxl> what's the difference between disabling and removing an image? i don't want ppc or amd64+mac to have a release
[20:51] <stgraber> then you need to remove them and remove them from the manifest so they don't show up at all
[20:51] <Riddell> infinity: the trusty SRU isn't, the utopic upload is but that's because of different reasons
[20:52] <wxl> stgraber: do i remove them from the manifest even though i want the dailies to build?
[20:52] <stgraber> the manifest isn't relevant to the dailies
[20:52] <wxl> stgraber: k thanks :)
[20:52] <stgraber> so yeah just disable them on the manifest
[20:52] <infinity> wxl: We're going to drop amd64+mac on the floor anyway, I think.
[20:52] <wxl> infinity: oh THANK GOD!!!!
[20:53] <infinity> Riddell: Oh, I missed it.
[20:53] <wxl> infinity: i've been trying to make a case to drop it or at least rename it. i'm quite sure that macs don't need it anymore. i haven't come across an intel mac that could not boot regular amd64. i know there are non-apple machines that still use old efi, but that's a lot of work for such a small number of machines.
[20:54] <cjwatson> The prevailing theory here is that all such machines have firmware updates that fix the original bug
[20:54] <wxl> cjwatson: i think that's a fair assumption. i'm 100% behind removing it.
[20:54] <stgraber> +mac is now gone
[20:55] <Laney> RIP
[20:55] <wxl> YAY
[20:55] <wxl> is this documented anywhere besides this conversation so i can spread the (official) good news? :)
[20:55] <stgraber> we'll have to mention it in the release notes I expect and posssibly on www.ubuntu.com too
[20:56] <infinity> cjwatson: s/all/most/ but for the really old ones, I think "use the i386 image" is an acceptable workaround.
[20:56] <wxl> stgraber: if it does get published somewhere, let me know.
[20:56] <infinity> cjwatson: Since i386 will be much more pleasantly speedy on an old Core2 anyway.
[20:58] <cjwatson> stgraber: did you stop building it in cdimage too?
[20:58] <cjwatson> I think etc/default-arches needs adjusting
[20:58] <infinity> cjwatson: I'll pull it out of etc/
[20:58]  * infinity nods.
[20:58] <cjwatson> should we take care to keep building it for trusty point updates just in case?
[21:01] <infinity> cjwatson: While I'm doing this, I'm seeing entries for anciently EOL releases, mind if I clean those up?
[21:01] <cjwatson> separate commit if you do, please
[21:01] <cjwatson> I preserved them as basically historical documentation but I guess I don't mind
[21:02] <wxl> i'm going to remove any mention of amd64+mac in our release notes and leave it to ubuntu to handle it in theirs :)
[21:05] <wxl> you guys can add fix released to this one :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/1298894
[21:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1298894 in Ubuntu CD Images "amd64+mac images no longer necessary" [Undecided,New]
[21:18] <Laney> ta
[21:41] <Riddell> bug 1383767 SRU verification-done by me, not sure if it's maybe good practice to wait for someone else to verify it, but I'd really like this in tomorrow
[21:41] <ubot2> bug 1383767 in muon (Ubuntu Utopic) "muon does not find releasechecker" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1383767
[21:43] <infinity> Riddell: I can release it right now.
[21:44] <Riddell> infinity: would be lovely
[21:45] <infinity> Riddell: Done.
[21:45] <Riddell> awooga
[21:46]  * Laney unblocks the rebuilds


[01:25] <MTecknology> Is there any way to get rid of all of my old gpg keys?
[01:26] <MTecknology> I just made a different one now and there's about 6 from when I was figuring out what I was doing and I thought I needed one for each email
[01:46] <MTecknology> anybody know?
[01:47] <RAOF> MTecknology: You can always revoke them.
[01:47] <MTecknology> RAOF: I deactivated them on LP and revoked one - but I don't have the older stuff
[01:49] <RAOF> Oh.  Dunno.
[01:49] <MTecknology> :(
[01:49] <RAOF> I think the answer there is "Surely you've got the revocation certificates printed out and stored in a safe place"?
[01:50] <MTecknology> lol
[01:50] <MTecknology> This was before I really understood what a key was
[01:55] <spm> MTecknology: Suggest ask a question against launchpad itself? Doesn't appear to be a way via the admin UI. https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad
[01:58] <Hobbsee> kirkland: hah.  Good luck with that.
[02:00] <kirkland> Hobbsee: with what?
[02:00] <Hobbsee> kirkland: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/288147, based on the treatment mine got.
[02:01] <kirkland> Hobbsee: i got the impression beuno would help ut
[02:01] <MTecknology> spm: thanks - got that done
[02:01] <kirkland> Hobbsee: he asked me to assign it to him, anyway
[02:01] <MTecknology> Hobbsee: hi - long time since i annoyed you
[02:01] <Hobbsee> hey MTecknology!
[02:01] <MTecknology> How ya been?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> kirkland: ahhh.  with mine, i just got a completely nonsensical response, then got told it didnt' block anyone, so wouldn't be fixed.
[02:02] <Hobbsee> kirkland: pity 5-a-day and such isn't automated, as that would cut down a big use case forit
[02:03] <kirkland> yeah, he's pretty insistent that that link has to be there...  i'm just asking for the bug number to be printed *somewhere* on the page selectable
[02:06] <Hobbsee> kirkland: that's true.  He'll probably sya "it's selectable in the URL" though
[02:06] <Hobbsee> which is true - it is - it's just a pain to get at it that wya
[02:06] <kirkland> too much precision required
[02:06] <kirkland> double-click to highlight word is so much easier
[02:07] <kirkland> it has been a major pain in my side all day
[02:07] <MTecknology> Hobbsee: You should come back into -offtopic sometime.
[02:07] <MTecknology> RAOF: spm: thanks again
[02:07] <Hobbsee> kirkland: that was my logic, yes.
[02:08] <kirkland> Hobbsee: glad to hear i'm not the only one ;-)
[02:09] <Hobbsee> kirkland: no, at least 4 people have complained about it so far:)
[02:10] <kirkland> Hobbsee: cool, subscribe 'em to the bug
[04:51] <kblin> morning
[04:53] <kblin> is there any way to export the blueprints for a project to some offline storage?
[11:57] <nizarus> ping kiko
[11:58] <kiko> nizarus, yeah, I'm actually waiting on barry on that one :)
[11:58] <nizarus> ok great :) sorry for my spam
[12:10] <barry> wassit?
[12:10] <nizarus> hi barry
[12:11] <nizarus> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/44720
[12:12]  * barry looks
[12:13] <nizarus> kiko, barry is here :)
[12:14] <barry> nizarus: i've purged your ml, so you should be able to rename the team now
[12:14]  * barry observes that kiko is also able to do it :)
[12:15] <nizarus> we would not rename it
[12:15] <nizarus> we would remove it
[12:15] <nizarus> and keep the ML :/
[12:16] <nizarus> barry ?
[12:16] <nizarus> i rename it now
[12:17] <nizarus> can we remove it
[12:17] <nizarus> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tn-old
[12:22] <nizarus> barry: i will put on place the new team so the team to be removed is ubuntu-tn-old not ubuntu-tn
[12:22] <nizarus> barry are you ok ?
[12:23]  * nizarus waiting for ok before proceeding
[12:23] <mwhudson> nizarus: extreme busy-ness going on here, let me poke him
[12:24] <mwhudson> nizarus: he's typing a reply now :)
[12:24] <barry> nizarus: i can't remove teams, but the team owner can now rename ubuntu-tn
[12:24] <barry> nizarus: so if you just want to rename ubuntu-tn to whatever, you can do that now
[12:24] <nizarus> i m the team owner
[12:24] <barry> nizarus: if you want to remove ubuntu-tn, that should be possible too, though i don't have permissions to do that
[12:25] <barry> nizarus: will a team rename work for you?
[12:25] <nizarus> but yes i renamed it
[12:26] <nizarus> yes i renamed it
[12:26] <nizarus> how can i remove it now
[12:26] <barry> nizarus: ping kiko
[12:26] <nizarus> ping kiko :)
[12:27]  * barry physically pokes kiko
[12:27] <backenfutter> hi folks, ok this is stupid, but I'm pretty sure I've registered an acc on launchpad before but can't seem to figure out the data - I only logged in to report one bug and forgot what email I used to register... can somebody help me out on this please?
[12:28]  * nizarus virtually waiting
[12:28] <cjwatson> backenfutter: if you can remember any bits of it you can search at https://launchpad.net/people
[12:28] <cjwatson> particularly if you gave your full name
[12:28] <barry> nizarus: kiko will do it in a few minutes
[12:29] <kiko> nizarus, will do
[12:29] <mwhudson> backenfutter: if you register yourself a new account and subsequently find the old one, the two accounts can be merged
[12:29] <nizarus> thx barry, kiko the team to remove now is ubuntu-tn-old
[12:29] <backenfutter> cjwatson, k, I guess I found the acc but can't see the email, cause I'm not logged in https://launchpad.net/~brian-wiborg
[12:30] <kiko> nizarus, cool
[12:30] <nizarus> kiko: tell me when it's done to commit the new team
[12:30] <kiko> nizarus, done.
[12:31] <nizarus> yesssssssss :)
[12:31] <nizarus> thx kiko and barry
[12:53] <backenfutter> Going through my emails I am realizing, that I've never seem to have received LP emails - I also must have deleted the reg email, cause I cant find it anywhere... What steps can I do to recover my acc?
[12:58] <nizarus> backenfutter: do you remember the bug that you reported ?
[12:58] <backenfutter> nizarus, just had a buddy check... it is Bug #255811
[12:58] <backenfutter> gDesklets
[13:00] <nizarus> so your account is : https://launchpad.net/~brian-wiborg
[13:00] <backenfutter> yes
[13:01] <nizarus> cjwatson and mwhudson was asking for that no ?
[13:02] <backenfutter> yeah, they first replied to my question and gave first advice on recoverage
[13:03] <backenfutter> but I tried em all and none worked
[13:04] <nizarus> backenfutter: try to re ping them
[13:04] <backenfutter> k
[13:04] <nizarus> i'm not a LP admin sorry
[13:05] <backenfutter> nizarus, lol seems it worked with the last one this time
[13:05] <backenfutter> D'oh
[13:05] <backenfutter> thx for the help ;-)
[13:05] <nizarus> :) ok cool :)
[14:34] <BUGabundo_work> hi
[14:34] <BUGabundo_work> is anyone looking at bug  286269 ?
[14:36]  * Hobbsee notes it's probably a wiki, and you can probably edit it yourself.
[14:37] <Hobbsee> yes, it is a wiki.
[14:38] <BUGabundo_work> will it update the email sent by help?
[14:39] <Hobbsee> the email sent by help?
[14:39] <Hobbsee> it's fixed https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface#unsubscribe
[14:39] <BUGabundo_work> I've seen the last date change
[14:39] <BUGabundo_work> but will it update the email ?
[14:41] <Hobbsee> i've no idea what the email it sends is.  Try it.
[14:41] <BUGabundo_work> it takes a while to sync
[14:41] <BUGabundo_work> I've been down that road a few times in the past
[14:42] <Hobbsee> well, aftre that, you'll just have to hope htat a launchpad person views this page.
[14:42] <Hobbsee> apparently there is no help contact yet today
[14:43] <BUGabundo_work> it hasn't been all week
[14:43] <BUGabundo_work> on the hours I come here
[14:43] <BUGabundo_work> lol
[14:43] <Hobbsee> they only do the european workign week.
[14:43] <Hobbsee> but i'm not sure - i think they were slack for at least part of last week, from memory
[14:44] <Hobbsee> of course, i might be remembering completely wrong
[14:44] <persia> Sometimes it's the european days, and sometimes it's the americas days.
[14:50] <krish> hey hi, how to upgrade my remote branch on launchpad
[15:02] <bostik> sorry https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ubuntu.fastbull.org-release lastprobed 13 hours ago
[15:02] <bostik> we are now uptodate
[15:02] <bostik> but no more probe are done on our mirror
[16:15] <gurrier> Is there any way of getting a dump of the launchpad postings for Ubuntu project for "Problem Management"?
[16:31] <lool> Hi folks
[16:31] <lool> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kourou/+bug/288767/+nominate + intrepid => OOPS
[16:31] <lool>  (Error ID: OOPS-1028EA70)
[16:31] <mwhudson> lool: does it work on !edge?
[16:32] <lool> ogra tested, I think it doesn't work there either
[16:32] <lool> 17:27 < ogra> bah, me too
[16:32] <lool> mwhudson: Yep, confirmed
[16:33]  * mwhudson taps his feet waiting for the oops file to sync
[16:33]  * lool disappears for some minutes
[16:33] <mwhudson> lool: do you or ogra have an older oops id?
[16:33] <mwhudson> ok
[16:34] <lool> mwhudson: sorry no; I got multiple, but can't go back
[16:34] <mwhudson> fair enough
[16:42] <ScottK> Would someone please check and see if soyuz is eating uploads.  I'm trying to get a security patch uploaded before Intrepid closes and the upload seems to vanish into thin air.
[16:42] <ScottK> Package is fetchmail.
[16:42] <mwhudson> thats a peculiar error
[16:42] <mwhudson> lool's, i mean
[16:42] <lool> You call me a liar?
[16:43] <cprov> ScottK: checking.
[16:43] <mwhudson> lool: ?
[16:43] <ScottK> cprov: Thanks.
[16:43] <lool> mwhudson: oh well, end of week puns sorry
[16:43] <lool> peculiar, liar, ok, I shut up
[16:43] <mwhudson> lool: i see :)
[16:44] <cprov> ScottK: we have a *known* problem.
[16:44] <ScottK> cprov: OK.  How do I work around this issue to get the bug fixed before Intrepid closes?
[16:45] <cprov> ScottK: wait.
[16:45] <ScottK> cprov: Wait and try again (if so how long) or wait and you'll tell me?
[16:49] <cprov> ScottK: no, wait, like "wait while we are fixing it for you" your source will be processed automatically.
[16:50] <ScottK> cprov: OK.  Thanks.
[16:50] <newz2000> Hi, I uploaded my project's first translation template, is there any way to speed up the approval process (assuming it's OK)?
[16:51] <bigjools> danilos: ^
[16:54] <danilos> newz2000: yeah, ping jtv, but in general, it's not desirable unless it's very important (he does approvals as they are uploaded)
[16:55] <newz2000> ok, thanks
[17:03] <lool> mwhudson: Do I need to file a bug about it?  I'm about to disappear for the WE
[17:14] <ScottK> cprov: Was fetchmail special somehow or is my next upload going to get hung up too?
[18:00] <ScottK> cprov: Please add adept to your list of uploads to find.  It seems to have gone missing as well.
[18:24] <ScottK> cprov: Thanks.
[18:32] <cprov> ScottK: everything from you processed ?
[18:32] <ScottK> cprov: Yes.
[18:32] <ScottK> Release team is back in business.
[18:32] <cprov> ScottK: ok
[18:32] <ScottK> And bug nominations are working again too.
[19:40] <kagou> Hi
[19:40] <kagou> i can't dput to my personal ppa :/
[19:40] <kagou> the upload freeze
[19:41] <kagou> same problem than in this thread : http://ph.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=679391
[19:41] <kagou> any idea ?
[19:41] <kagou> dput work well with small packages
[20:27] <andresmh> so I am thinking of switching a project from Assembla.com to Launchpad.net but there is a  feature I have not found in launchpad
[20:27] <andresmh> that is the  ability to commit a change and automatically connect it to a bug by doing something like svn -m "test #123" to indicate that the bug is ready to be tested and automatically send an email to the people involved in that bug
[20:29] <exarkun> I think the story is that you use a plugin that invokes something from https://help.launchpad.net/MaloneXMLRPC
[20:34] <persia> There's definitely a way to automatically mark bugs Fix Committed when updating a branch.  No idea how it works though.
[20:37] <exarkun> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/27140
[20:38] <exarkun> not sure if there's something newer than the answer given there
[20:39] <andresmh> exarkun: thanks. but installing such plugin is not possible to do on launchpad.net itself, right?
[20:39] <andresmh> it would work only if i have a locally hosted version of launchpad?
[20:43] <exarkun> andresmh: Or each developer could install the plugin locally.
[20:43] <exarkun> andresmh: It would be a bzr plugin that talks to launchpad.
[20:43] <andresmh> i see
[20:45] <andresmh> another question about launchpad.net, do you know if the translation feature automatically detects strings to be translated in the source code and generates a list?
[20:46] <andresmh> my project is using PHP and I print translate-able string by doing ___("foobar");
[20:48] <exarkun> afaik it doesn't, but something like gettext can probably extract those.
[21:10] <fta> far less PPA build machines?? is that temporary?
[21:29] <NfNitLoop> Hello.   I was looking at a project earlier today and noticed that bugs have a status showing that a fix has been committed.  Does that get tied to a particular revision?
[21:29] <NfNitLoop> Or is that just a manual status flag?
[21:30] <beuno> NfNitLoop, it doesn't get tied to a specific revision at the moment
[21:30] <beuno> manual status flag
[21:35] <NfNitLoop> aah, ok.
[21:35] <NfNitLoop> that explains why I couldn't find that info, then. :p
[21:35] <beuno> :)
[21:35] <NfNitLoop> another question... is any of the code that runs launchpad.net OSS?
[21:35] <NfNitLoop> It would be awesome to be able to use a private instance of launchpad for my company.
[21:36] <NfNitLoop> (whose source is unfortunately *not* OSS.)
[21:43] <beuno> it's no OSS yet
[21:43] <beuno> it will be next year
[21:43] <beuno> july-ish I think
[21:57] <NfNitLoop> very neat. :)
[23:09] <awmcclain> Is there a launchpad tool floating around to batch build/upload source packages across different distros?
[23:14] <persia> awmcclain, Not really.  There is a mechanism to publish a PPA package between different releases of Ubuntu (including recompilation for each release, if desired).
[23:14] <awmcclain> persia: Yes! Exactly what I'm looking for!
[23:16] <persia> awmcclain, Upload to the oldest release you intend to support.  Then look for the tool to copy packages.  If you want to recompile, don't check the "Also copy binaries" option.
[23:17] <awmcclain> persia: Thank you! Perfect.
[23:17] <persia> You can't copy from newer releases to older releases, but you can from older releases to newer.
[23:17] <jerryk> Has anybody out there got pointers to any example code that talks to the Launchpad API from Java code?
[23:18] <wgrant> persia: Erk, you can't recompile like that.
[23:18] <wgrant> persia: Remember, we use pools.
[23:18] <wgrant> Why they don't have the backporting tool implemented in the web UI, I'm not entirely sure, but until then you can't rebuild without a different upload.
[23:19] <persia> wgrant, Then what happens if you copy from the older to the newer release in your PPA and don't check the "Also copy binaries" option?
[23:20] <persia> Does it copy source and let it rot?  Does it break the pool?
[23:20] <wgrant> persia: You can't any more.
[23:20] <wgrant> It will refuse
[23:20] <persia> Ah.  It was a bug, and fixed.
[23:20] <wgrant> But previously your builds would fail to upload, and things would get mildly unpleasant.
[23:20] <persia> awmcclain, Ignore my recommendation : it doesn't work.
[23:21] <awmcclain> :'(
[23:21] <awmcclain> well. drat.
[23:21] <awmcclain> do i have to debuild 3 times for every package?
[23:21] <persia> wgrant, Can you still do source+binary copy?
[23:21] <awmcclain> s/do/so
[23:21] <wgrant> persia: Yes.
[23:22] <awmcclain> persia: that won't work, ti needs to recompile
[23:22] <wgrant> awmcclain: Why?
[23:22] <wgrant> Copying forward is often safe.
[23:22] <persia> library transitions?
[23:22] <wgrant> Unless there's been a soname break.
[23:22] <wgrant> Copying back might well not work.
[23:22] <awmcclain> wgrant: I'm uploading 12 packages, some of which have been included already in intrepid.
[23:23] <persia> wgrant, That's been unavailable for longer, unless it got unfixed at some point.
[23:23] <wgrant> persia: Which?
[23:23] <awmcclain> wgrant: I don't want to link against the depend libraries i've built when they're in the repo already
[23:23] <ajmitch> having the same source version with different binaries would be interesting
[23:24] <persia> copying packages from newer to older releases in a PPA.
[23:24] <wgrant> ajmitch: And also impossible without pools.
[23:24] <wgrant> persia: It worked for me a couple of months ago.
[23:24] <wgrant> I knew it was safe, so I did it.
[23:24] <wgrant> LP shouldn't stop me from doing things that might work.
[23:24] <persia> wgrant, Then it's been unfixed.
[23:24] <ajmitch> wgrant: I know
[23:25] <persia> ajmitch, there's *lots* of examples of same source version and different binaries in PPAs.
[23:26] <wgrant> persia: Where?
[23:26] <wgrant> That's not possible.
[23:27] <persia> wgrant, It's not possible in a single PPA.  You and I can both upload hello_7.8.9-42letsbreakstuff to our individual PPAs without a problem, as long as we don't link them.
[23:27] <wgrant> Ah.
[23:28] <ajmitch> right, I was meaning in a single PPA
[23:28] <persia> Oh.  That's different.
[23:28] <wgrant> They're separate archives, so it's not entirely relevant.
[23:28]  * wgrant bashes X dead.


[12:31] <inetpro> wb melodie
[12:32] <melodie> thks!
[15:02] <pavlushka> inetpro: o/
[15:03] <inetpro> pavlushka: hohi
[15:04] <pavlushka> how was your day? we are facing a toned down cyclone
[15:05] <inetpro> toned down cyclone?
[15:06] <inetpro> was a busy day for me, but quiet here
[15:06] <pavlushka> inetpro: it was devastating but when it reached to us, it became less by that time
[15:07] <pavlushka> from Indian shore
[15:07] <inetpro> wow, hopefully everyone will be safe
[15:10] <inetpro> pavlushka: do you often get serious storms there?
[15:11] <pavlushka> every year around this time with a 2-3 months span
[15:17] <inetpro> take care and stay safe
[15:26] <inetpro> and then there's the apology from freenode https://freenode.net/news/post-mortem-may21
[15:26] <inetpro> too little too late?
[16:25] <inetpro> IRC Networks - Top 10 in the annual comparison https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php
[16:25] <inetpro> will be interesting to see the graphs again in a few days time
[16:56] <pavlushka> inetpro: it's a thing about the owner's another service shells which is also another Universal VM service which kinda rivals Ubuntu in some manner/scale, also drastic announcements will cost larger user base, so they tried to make the change gradual like another take over, "nothing will change and then suddenly, we cannot continue anymore"
[16:56] <pavlushka> s/another/any other
[16:57] <pavlushka> tale over
[16:57] <pavlushka> takeover
[16:58] <pavlushka> every opensource project runs the risk of it
[16:59] <inetpro> is or was he the actual owner of all the infrastructure behind freenode?
[17:00] <pavlushka> to my knowledge "is"
[17:01] <inetpro> I always thought that a lot of the infrastructure was shared or donated by other institutions like universities
[17:02] <pavlushka> and now it is promoting proprietary services, so?
[17:03] <pavlushka> also it better for both parties to part ways for everyone's sake
[17:05] <inetpro> am hoping that this whole saga will be better for open source projects in the end
[17:05] <pavlushka> funny that freenode says you cannot collect logs without 2nd parties consent and also if in future if the 2nd party wishes, you have to allow to delete the data, also they will collect some other kind of data whose future is not clear
[17:06] <pavlushka> later was about freenode itself
[17:09] <inetpro> it's always complicated when there's money involved
[19:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> inetpro said I must say 'Hi'
[19:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> .... hi .....
[19:37] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: o/
[19:38] <inetpro> will be interesting to see how many others will pop in here eventually
[19:43] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: you might just want to get yourself cloaked, for what it's worth
[19:43] <inetpro> join #libera-cloak and say !cloakme
[19:43] <inetpro> this will give your account a generic user/YourName cloak to hide your IP address
[19:44] <inetpro> reference for the record: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Migrating_to_Libera_Chat
[20:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> cool, thanks
[20:01] <inetpro> psydroid: hi
[20:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> How busy has the channel been recently? I haven't been around for ages
[20:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> I don't even use Ubuntu anymore hehe
[20:02] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: very quiet to be honest
[20:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah IRC is pretty old school I guess
[20:03] <inetpro> it's the freenode news that got everybody, including myself, to wake up again
[20:04] <inetpro> psydroid: ek sien iemand by #newsboat het aangeteken vanaf Matrix
[20:05] <psydroid> hi inetpro
[20:05] <psydroid> I still have K/Ubuntu installed for a few relatives (including my mom), but that's pretty much it
[20:05] <psydroid> inetpro, ik zal daar eens een kijkje nemen, bedankt
[21:13] <superfly> oh ThatGraemeGuy
[21:13] <superfly> *ohi
[22:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi fly :)
[22:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> OK it's tomorrow already...... bed time for me :-)