[00:41] <Spee_Der> Good evening folks.
[00:48] <penguin42> hey
[03:27] <Spee_Der> hey
[12:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:35] <paddymahoney> Is anyone working on tiling within ubuntu next? If I could get the ubuntu dock + launcher, with a reasonable tiling setup for the wm, I'd be all over that.
[15:43] <christian_lappy> well, since a few  weeks logging into unity gives me a black screen only
[15:43] <christian_lappy> xfce works
[15:43] <christian_lappy> same happens with other gtk bases wm
[15:44] <christian_lappy> any idea how to get rid of that issue ? i already tried another user account
[16:58] <ariel__> saludos
[16:58] <ariel__> buen dia
[16:58] <ariel__> hello
[16:58] <ariel__> help
[17:13] <BluesKaj> ariel__, ask your question
[17:14] <ariel__> no speack english
[17:15] <ariel__> i am from colombia
[17:15] <paulo_gomes> hi ariel
[17:16] <ariel__> I have a bug that will not let me open the software center
[17:16] <ariel__> ubuntu 13.10
[17:17] <ariel__> I use google translator
[17:19] <BluesKaj> paulo_gomes, is there an #ubuntu+1-es chat ?
[17:19] <ariel__> fine thanks
[17:19] <BluesKaj> nope :(
[17:20] <ariel__> help
[17:20] <ariel__> software-center no open
[17:21] <penguin42> ariel__: you could try to do an update using apt-get  and see if the problem still happens after the update
[17:21] <BluesKaj> ariel__, open konsole , sudo apt-get ipdate
[17:21] <BluesKaj> err update
[17:22] <paulo_gomes> BluesKaj: dont know :(
[17:22] <BluesKaj> paulo_gomes, it doesn't exist
[17:22] <paulo_gomes> ok
[17:22] <paulo_gomes> sad
[17:22] <BluesKaj> already checke
[17:23] <ariel__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041091/
[17:25] <paulo_gomes> ariel i also have that error, but my software center works
[17:26] <paulo_gomes> ariel__: run the software center from command line and see if it shows any error
[17:26] <ariel__> no works
[17:27] <BluesKaj> wonder if he ran the update command first tho
[17:27] <BluesKaj> ariel__ ,   1) , sudo apt-get update  , 2) , sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:27] <ariel__> yes it will stick in the pastebin
[17:29] <BluesKaj> 3) sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:43] <mibofra> Hi, I've upgrated my installation of ubuntu 13.10 yesterday and todat too but before yesterday I can use my android as mass device and with adb. Now dmesg says that the kernel receive the usb connection but lsusb and adb can't see my android phone
[17:44] <mibofra> Kernel : 3.10.0-5-lowlatemcy but I can't see it with any version of linux now
[17:45] <penguin42> are you sure that's 3.10.0-5 ? My 13.10 box is on 3.11.0-4
[17:46] <mibofra> penguin42: I've installed the latest too but I like to use it
[17:46] <mibofra> Anyway I've tried it too
[17:47] <penguin42> mibofra: Perhaps if you pastebin the output of dmesg when you're plugging your phone in?
[17:48] <mibofra> penguin42: yes but it's occupated with apt my pc now and I'm on tty just a minute
[19:21] <mibofra> hi sorry but I had to go
[19:21] <mibofra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041445/ dmesg
[19:21] <mibofra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041448/ lsusb
[20:03] <penguin42> mibofra: What's unusual is that you normally see a 'New USB device found, idVendor=....' after the new high-speed USB device number message
[20:06] <mibofra> penguin42: it's fine but first is the same device and normally I see one dev/number one usb device. After I normally see the usb device under lsusb... Did you see an android phone :P ?
[20:07] <penguin42> hmm
[20:07] <penguin42> mibofra: Hang on, let me just boot my phone
[20:07] <mibofra> Ok
[20:08] <penguin42> they can be a bit odd, typically android phones have 2 or 3 USB-id's based on what stage of boot tey're at
[20:08] <penguin42> mibofra: Yeh, my ZTE blade is showing here (It's running Cyanogenmod 7)
[20:08] <mibofra> penguin42: ok but non 5 or 6
[20:09] <penguin42> non 5 or 6?
[20:09] <mibofra> *no
[20:10] <mibofra> I upgrade every day and before the 28-07-2013 (timezone utc+1) I can see my phone
[20:10] <penguin42> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041597/
[20:10] <mibofra> I've quantal since there are the repos online
[20:11] <penguin42> mibofra: Sorry which kernel were you running when it worked and which when it failed?
[20:12] <mibofra> penguin42, the same I'm running  now the 3.10.0-5-lowlatency
[20:13] <penguin42> mibofra: I'm confused because I don't see 3.10.0-5 in the current saucy; apt-cache search lowlat   shows me 3.11.0-2
[20:13] <mibofra> but after the fail I've tried with other ones and the latest too (the 3.11.0-4)
[20:14] <mibofra> penguin42, I know It isn't the latest but it used to work
[20:15] <penguin42> mibofra: OK so if you go back to earlier kernels does it work?
[20:15] <mibofra> maybe tomorrow with another upgrade everything works
[20:15] <mibofra> penguin42, no without any version of linux I've installed on the machine (3.5-6-7-8-9-10-11)
[20:16] <mibofra> *I've to remove some kernels, anyway all of them work
[20:16] <mibofra> but everyone fails to see my phone now
[20:17] <penguin42> does it work on another machine?
[20:17] <mibofra> my brother has got a win one so I've tried there and after on a live of 13.04
[20:18] <mibofra> the phone is detected
[20:18] <mibofra> P.S. I've to look on launchpad, maybe there is a reported bug
[20:19] <penguin42> mibofra: Report it anyway, it sounds pretty hardware specific
[20:19] <penguin42> mibofra: Are there any other USB devices your machine doesn't detect - is it possible that something in the machine got damaged?
[20:20] <mibofra> penguin42, It the first thing I've thought, but any other usb device is detected
[20:20] <mibofra> *it is
[20:20] <penguin42> mibofra: What about booting off a live CD perhaps - maybe an old one - what happens?
[20:21] <mibofra> penguin42, I've wrote about this, on the 13.04 live everything is ok and on saucy too before yesterday (I don't have to upgrade every day XD )
[20:22] <penguin42> mibofra: Definitely report it - put *all* this information in the bug report
[20:22] <mibofra> unfortunately  I don't have another android device to test
[20:22] <mibofra> ok
[20:23] <mibofra> penguin42, with project? hal, udev ...
[20:23] <penguin42> mibofra: I'd also try a 13.10 boot cd
[20:23] <penguin42> mibofra: Linux
[20:23] <mibofra> ok
[20:23] <penguin42> mibofra: If it's not showing up in lsusb something very odd is going on
[20:24] <mibofra> penguin42, yeah xD but no a bit...
[20:24] <mibofra> penguin42, maybe I reboot and I report the but with the latest kernel
[20:24] <penguin42> yeh definitely do it with the latest kernel
[20:27] <mibofra> penguin42: anyway if you would be sure I can give you the ssh access to debug it personally xD
[20:27] <penguin42> mibofra: Hey if that's all that's in your dmesg then I don't really know where to go
[20:28] <mibofra> Ok fine
[20:29] <penguin42> mibofra: Boot the latest kernel and postbin your whole dmesg
[20:30] <mibofra> only the interested part?
[20:30] <penguin42> no
[20:30] <penguin42> the whole dmesg
[20:30] <mibofra> Ah ok
[20:32] <mibofra> P.S. but if the problem interesting only me it wont be fixed, I think. Anyway I'm going to report it
[20:32] <penguin42> mibofra: Yeh but it's useful when you suddenly find there are 30 people reporting similar things
[20:33] <mibofra> XD I hope this xD
[20:34] <mibofra> Because it's so strange...
[20:35] <penguin42> mibofra: have you got another USB lead to check?
[20:35] <mibofra> I'm just writing it :D
[20:35] <mibofra> I've an android tablet...
[20:35] <mibofra> Let's check
[20:38] <mibofra> Toh it's detectd... so now I wonder me why gt-s5830i is not detected now
[20:39] <mibofra> Let's check the phone again...
[20:40] <mibofra> Yep the phone is seen by dmesg but no by lsusb
[20:41] <penguin42> ok, so lets see the dmesg after you did that
[20:41] <mibofra> So maybe I submit a bug in linux only for this device (not very usefull now but I'll try xD )
[20:43] <mibofra> A normal dmesg (just a second to start ff)
[20:45] <mibofra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041686/
[20:45] <mibofra> dmesg and after lsusb
[20:46] <penguin42> but that shows it in the lsusb?
[20:49] <mibofra> penguin42: yes it's the device named simply google
[20:49] <penguin42> mibofra: Right - so what's the problem?
[20:54] <mibofra> penguin42: did you received the last message? The problem is my phone is still not detected... strage it mounts cm 7.2
[20:54] <penguin42> no, I've not seen your dmesg fromw hen you plug in your phone
[20:55] <mibofra> penguin42: the first paste I've pasted xD
[20:55] <penguin42> mibofra: The *whole* dmesg
[20:55] <mibofra> penguin42: ok
[20:56] <penguin42> mibofra: Forget it; just reboot into the latest kernel, plug your phone in and then run ubuntu-bug linux    and once it's reported it  give us the bug number, that will have all the logs in
[20:57] <mibofra> Yeah I know so I'll do this
[20:59] <mibofra> penguin42: I'll do this in tty so you don't have to see al the xorg and co related things... ok?
[20:59] <penguin42> ?
[20:59] <johnjohn1011> 7 more weeks till release. getting close.
[20:59] <penguin42> mibofra: Just do it normally
[21:00] <mibofra> penguin42: so I login with lightdm in lxde and after I'll report the bug with the phone plugged in
[21:02]  * penguin42 disappears for an hour or so
[21:32] <mibofra> penguin42: bug #1218625 good luck xD
[21:37] <jakubo> hi, is there any way to deactivate opengl2.1 on intel 945 graphics? its slow as hell.
[21:40] <GiGaHuRtZ> Anyone running Kubuntu+1 since there aren't any specific +1 channels to kubuntu unfortunately? (there should be imho, especially since it is no longer an official ubuntu project, and its getting farther and farther away from ubuntu eith each release). I would think the Alpha2 would be a bit more stable just due to the fact they aren't messing with Mir.Xmir. And I already riun all the testing repos
[21:53] <penguin42> mibofra: You didn't describe the other kernels you tried or how it still works on old boot discs
[21:53] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: Yeh this is for all the +1's
[21:53] <mibofra> penguin42, ok I'm adding it
[21:54] <GiGaHuRtZ> penguin42: yeah.... but no one ever responds to kubuntu questions
[21:54] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: Hey there are lots of us running KDE on here
[21:56] <mibofra> penguin42, ok added
[21:58] <GiGaHuRtZ> penguin42: ok, so wanna answer my question
[21:59] <mibofra> penguin42: for tests or something else I leave the bouncer here so you can leave me messages (at every time)
[21:59] <GiGaHuRtZ> And no, not where someone install KDE as a second DE to unity on a ubuntu install. That throws in loits of other variables and packages not needed for a install
[21:59] <mibofra> Anyeay do you have any idea?
[22:08] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: Sorry, what was the actual question?
[22:10] <GiGaHuRtZ> Anyone running Kubuntu+1 since there aren't any specific +1 channels to kubuntu unfortunately? (there should be imho, especially since it is no longer an official ubuntu project, and its getting farther and farther away from ubuntu eith each release). I would think the Alpha2 would be a bit more stable just due to the fact they aren't messing with Mir.Xmir. And I already riun all the testing repos
[22:11] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: So which part of that is the question ? Yes, I'm running Kubuntu on +1
[22:11] <GiGaHuRtZ> I am looking for the general stability of kubuntu
[22:11] <GiGaHuRtZ> of 13.109 (obviously)
[22:11] <penguin42> seems fine for me here
[22:11] <GiGaHuRtZ> Ok Kubuntu? ot Ubuntu+KDE?
[22:12] <GiGaHuRtZ> I need to do an install on my new 1U server I am using for a desktop and android build box, and wanna stick with Kubuntu
[22:12] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: hmm, I'm not sure what I used as the install medium, but I don't have any of the unity stuff installed but I do have the kubuntu-desktop meta installed
[22:12] <GiGaHuRtZ> I got it for dirt cheap on geeks.com before they closed
[22:12] <GiGaHuRtZ> I will be using a usb stick
[22:13] <GiGaHuRtZ> penguin42: you dont haver mir installed either? (not that it would matter with kde, but it might bring /some/ sort issues)
[22:13] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: The thing I don't know is what would happen if I installed now; this machine was installed quite a while ago and regularly updated, I'm not sure if things will be different for a fresh install
[22:13] <GiGaHuRtZ> Well I will probably just use a daily image of kubuntu
[22:14] <GiGaHuRtZ> And ofc upgrade constantly, as I use lots of PPA's
[22:14] <GiGaHuRtZ> To make my life easier
[22:14]  * GiGaHuRtZ wonders how many ppa's have been upgraded for saucy
[22:15] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: One of the things I do is tend to just install the minimal server installs and then just throw on the kubuntu-desktop package
[22:15] <GiGaHuRtZ> yup
[22:16] <GiGaHuRtZ> I(d rather not though. As I want to make sure I have everything needed for a proper kubuntu desktop, bar none. But in the case of using a ubuntu cd (server) than installing kubuntu meta desktpop, not a bad idea
[22:16] <GiGaHuRtZ> So you arent working on removing a bunch of uneeded bloat
[22:16] <penguin42> yeh I mean that's the whole point of the  kubuntu-desktop meta package
[22:16] <GiGaHuRtZ> And tons of Gnome/GTK3 stuff
[22:16] <GiGaHuRtZ> ofc it is
[22:17] <GiGaHuRtZ> This isnt my first rodeo
[22:17] <penguin42> yeh but you never know when you've got a wild release that might throw you because it's angry
[22:17] <GiGaHuRtZ> I've been around since badger. I just find getting decent for ubuntu to be like pulling teeth. That's why I came here, hoping the bar for entry might weed some of that out
[22:18] <GiGaHuRtZ> penguin42: right, hence why I am asking for real world experience
[22:18] <GiGaHuRtZ> I mean ya I am installing on a 1U server, but its gonna be used a desktop and android build box. Nothing extremely critical and I fix most issues
[22:18] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: Yeh the KDE side is fine, if anything saucy feels a lot faster
[22:19] <GiGaHuRtZ> Besides the recent one I had on Kubuntu. I followed one of those guides for trying to Deepin DE, BAD idea
[22:19] <k1l> the +1 are quite stable because the really bad updates get automatic testing in -proposed. but still some can slip through. but i would not recommend that for server
[22:19] <GiGaHuRtZ> The repo they tell you to use should not be used.
[22:19] <k1l> and "the bloat" doesnt slow your system down if you just use kubuntu-desktop
[22:19] <GiGaHuRtZ> Itr changes your lsb_release, and ebven once you fix that, it totally confuses the system in other places
[22:19] <penguin42> mibofra: Your logs have lots of odd moans from systemd
[22:20] <k1l> and running a +1 just because one has problems with the irc support is not really the way to go :/
[22:20] <GiGaHuRtZ> k1l: im talking about bloat as if yoyu install ubuntu desktop then install lkubuntu desktop. Because you will have all the unity stuff still, and all the apps.
[22:20] <GiGaHuRtZ> That are really just duplicates of Qt centric apps
[22:20] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: Yeh but the trick then is to remove one of the really low level libraries and watch the rest disappear
[22:20] <k1l> GiGaHuRtZ: and where comes the bloat in if you dont boot unity?
[22:20] <GiGaHuRtZ> k1l: all the apps?
[22:21] <GiGaHuRtZ> That show up in KDE even though they are meant for unitry/gtk3
[22:21] <k1l> GiGaHuRtZ: all the apps dont get loaded if not needed. your kubuntu doesnt load nautilus (for example) just because ubuntu-dekstop is installed, too
[22:21] <mibofra> penguin42: omg but I didn't touch anything or changed settings of systemd or changed the logs
[22:21] <k1l> GiGaHuRtZ: so think about that myth you rely on.
[22:22] <mibofra> penguin42: so systemd is buggy too?
[22:22] <mibofra> (I can try with monit xD)
[22:22] <penguin42> mibofra: Not sure, but it's the only weird thing I can see in the logs other than the USB stuff itself
[22:23] <mibofra> I thimk was only a bit udev thus the bug if hal and the socket
[22:24] <mibofra> penguin42: but I don't think a sudo apt-get install --reinstall systemd-services fix it
[22:24] <penguin42> mibofra: Hey I don't know why it's doing that but something odd is going on
[22:24] <mibofra> So this morning I've to setup monit to have a human log...
[22:25] <mibofra> penguin42: no I know but I've simply updated xD
[22:25] <mibofra> penguin42: maybe a fresh install is fine?
[22:26] <penguin42> mibofra: I'd say it's worth it
[22:26] <mibofra> *I've thought about this since a bit
[22:26] <mibofra> penguin42: uhm
[22:32] <mibofra> penguin42: ok
[22:33] <mibofra> Anyway after 3-4 days I always find the solution of my problems so I hope it's this the case too.
[22:33] <mibofra> Good night to all the channel :)
[22:34] <mibofra> And good work developers :)
[22:42] <jakubo> anyone using intel 945?
[22:43] <wilee-nilee> jakubo The channel is state the issue for help format
[22:47] <penguin42> wilee-nilee: TBF I think he did way up there - he was having problems with opengl2.1 being slow on it and wondered if it could be disabled
[22:49] <wilee-nilee> ah before I logged in


 Lol
[01:20] <xangua> I would believe you on Bluetooth headset, but for wifi lubuntu uses the same packages as xubuntu, ubuntu, u-mate
[01:20] <xangua> Did you mean Bluetooth-WiFi combos? Broadcom
[02:54] <Ste2ph> Well Idk Im using a Wifi-Bluetooth combo with an Intel Wireless-N 1030. Idk if its broadcom. Possibly it is
[02:54] <Ste2ph> It still sucks
[02:54] <Ste2ph> Makes me want to try Debian because I heard its more Stable
[04:54] <paradis> is there a way to verify my lubuntu ?
[04:54] <paradis> not verify download
[04:54] <paradis> verify the installed lubuntu on pc
 There is no way to do that at the moment.
[05:03] <paradis> ok thank you
[05:07] <Ste2ph> I have a question for you guys. What irc client do you guys use and for what OS?
[05:08] <Ste2ph> Im using ircCloud for android n web browsers
[05:10]  * lyn||orian is using hexchat on ubuntu there are lots of ones in  the repos I don't know about android and that is offtopic
[05:52] <Ste2ph> Ah ok. I just figured to mention my phone because that's what Im using now unless there is an ubuntu for my phone
[12:02] <paradis> what time is lubuntu 18 will be available on thursday
[12:02] <diogenes_> 12.37
[12:02] <diogenes_> PM
[12:02] <paradis> is this a joke?
[12:03] <diogenes_> :)
[12:04] <paradis> hmmm...
[12:10] <leszek> best conversation ever in this channel :P
[12:12] <JohnDoe_71Rus> paradis: why are you waiting for it?
[12:14] <paradis> I cant wait for it.
[12:14] <JohnDoe_71Rus> so install it now and then updatу
[12:15] <JohnDoe_71Rus> *update
[12:17] <paradis> im already using lubuntu 17.10.1
[12:19] <paradis> is it availabale already?
[12:20] <paradis> available*
[12:23] <JohnDoe_71Rus> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/HEADER.html
[12:26] <paradis> can I join the testing?
[12:26] <paradis> please lemme in
[12:26] <JohnDoe_71Rus> welcome
[12:27] <diogenes_> paradis, this is for you: https://online-countdown.en.downloadastro.com/tools/#1524735420000_TmV3IFVidW50dSAxOC4wNCBSZWxlYXNlZCEhISB5YWFhYXk=
[12:39] <cristian__c> hello
[12:40] <cristian__c> I've installed dropbox but applet doesn't show droobpx icon and is not working
[12:40] <cristian__c> I've created a new autostart entry changing dropbpx launch command
[12:42] <cristian__c> unfortunately, dropbox default autostart is often enabled by the system, even if I disable it by lxsession
[12:43] <cristian__c> I'v3 tried some workarounds but I don0t know how to delete default dropbox lautostart entry (in order to use custom new ,droobox launch autostart)
[12:43] <cristian__c> Any ideas?
[12:43] <cristian__c> *dropbox
[18:13] <heysoundude> is there anyone here who can walk me through installing lubuntu on a RasPi3B+ ?
[18:13] <heysoundude> and hello room....
[18:15] <heysoundude> the torrent link from flavour-maker doesn't seem quite right, or get corrupted coming in or something
[18:16] <heysoundude> the icon in my downloads folder for the file is a question mark
[18:22] <JohnDoe_71Rus> https://ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org/download/
[18:36] <heysoundude> yes, I tried that link and the 16.04.2 file either is not right or gets corrupted coming to me from the torrent
[18:51] <heysoundude> im guessing everybody who knows is asleep
[19:00] <heysoundude> so I follow the copypasta instructions from https://ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org/download/, and I get "nuxz: <PATH>: Unexpected end of input"
[19:01] <heysoundude> sorry, dyslexic fingers. make that "unxz: <PATH>: Unexpected end of input"
[19:04] <heysoundude> so, silly me, I proceed to run the ddrescue line and it tells me "Can't open input file: No such file or directory"
[19:05] <heysoundude> and now the sd card wont even mount
[19:15] <lyn||orian> heysoundude, can you format it back it might have messed up the formating?
[22:18] <Julien> Bonjour !
[22:19] <Guest11855> Hello ?
[22:24] <Guest11855> Someone  ?
[22:24] <krytarik> Guest11855: Do you have a support question?
[22:26] <Guest11855> Hello, yes i have, about brightness, on ubuntu or lubuntu i can't do anything to change the brightness of the screen


[00:06] <ChaoticanarchyX> hi all
[00:06] <ChaoticanarchyX> can anyone help me install a package?
[00:06] <ChaoticanarchyX> tell me the steps to install it under terminal
[00:07] <kanliot> use synaptic
[00:07] <kanliot> synaptic package manager
[00:15] <SergioMeneses> ChaoticanarchyX, what package kind is it?
[07:11] <woodputerrepair> Anyone available to help with wireless usb network drivers?
[07:14] <woodputerrepair> anyone available??
[13:47] <raub> Is /var/lib/snmp/snmpd.conf autogenerated? Should it be edited or left alone? The big warnings on the top of the file seem to imply the latter
[13:48] <geirha> In general, stuff under /var/lib should be left alone
[15:52] <holstein> anyone using laptop-mode ? some function keys stopped working.. the volume controls
[15:58] <holstein> i think i'll just do a hack-y workaround and remap some keyboard shortcuts
[16:42] <shery> Ever since I've upgraded to 12.04, I've had major issues such as my adobe flash doesn't work any more and the firefox constantly crashes. I've recently noticed I can not get onto some secure sites, such as online banking. Why is this happening? what can I do to remedy the problem?
[16:42] <holstein> shery: i would first make sure you are up to date with upgrades
[16:43] <holstein> shery: i would try the chrome browser as a troubleshooting step if you are on a 32bit OS
[16:43] <shery> I get upgrades regularly.
[16:43] <shery> I have the chrome browser which crashes too.
[16:46] <holstein> crashes in what way?
[16:47] <shery> a box will pop up and it says the firefox has crashed
[16:48] <holstein> shery: not while you are running chrome i doubt.. what crashes chrome? hav you tried as a different user? is it always flash?
[16:50] <shery> while I'm working in chrome it'll just crash. Sometimes I'll have 2 tabs open but its normally just one tab and it will crash. I don't understand why it does that. Chrome will shut down and then a box will pop up and say it has crashed
[16:50] <shery> before I upgraded, firefox, chrome, & my adobe flash used to work. I don't understand why it stopped.
[16:52] <holstein> shery: before you upgraded from what to 12.04? 32 or 64bit? is it always flash that crashes it?
[16:52] <holstein> shery: have you tried as a new user?
[16:54] <shery> It was a lot of upgrades w/in a 2 month period.  I went from 8.0 to 11.? to 12.04.  It is 32bit. Flash always crashes. It has gotten to the point where it doesn't even respond.
[16:55] <shery> I haven't tried logging in as a new user. Logging in as a new user would cause it work? I'm confused?
[16:56] <holstein> shery: trying as a new user would take your configuration out of the equation
[16:57] <shery> Oh..okay
[16:58] <shery> If that doesn't work, what would be my next option?
[16:58] <holstein> shery: making sure you are up to date
[16:59] <holstein> also, a fresh install... i never bother with the upgrades, though you might be just fine
[16:59] <holstein> i would just get on 12.04 and not upgrade til the next LTS
[16:59] <shery> Ok. Should I reboot before logging in as a new user or just log in as a new user?
[16:59] <holstein> shery: try bot
[16:59] <holstein> both*
[16:59] <shery> what is LTS?
[16:59] <holstein> shery: you are in a troubleshooting period.. you'll need to try some things
[16:59] <holstein> shery: lts is long term support
[17:00] <holstein> you likely went from 8.04 to 10.04 to 12.04
[17:00] <shery> ok..That sounds about right.
[17:00] <holstein> you should be able to login as the user and try chrome
[17:00] <shery> I just remember there was a massive amount of upgrading.
[17:01] <holstein> shery: i would try an ubuntu 1204 live CD.. i would install chrome there
[17:01] <holstein> shery: yup.. i *never* upgrade... only to test that it is working
[17:01] <holstein> shery: best case, you spend 7 or 8 hours and hopefully all is well
[17:01] <holstein> shery: a fresh installation takes about 10 minutes now a days
[17:02] <shery> where would I go to get 12.04 live cd?
[17:02] <shery> Is it a bad thing to upgrade?
[17:02] <holstein> shery: there are no bad things.. just more or less appropriate
[17:03] <holstein> it takes 8 hours to upgrade and 10 minutes to do a fresh install.. i just do what i consider easiest.. its up to you do make those desicions
[17:04] <holstein> http://www.ubuntu.com/download is where i would download a 32bit live CD
[17:04] <shery> :-)  Thanks so much for your info. I hope everything works out. I'm still pretty new at this.
[19:58] <adwaitnd> hi everyone
[19:59] <raub> Where should the cacerts be at: /etc/ssl/certs/ca or /usr/share/ca-certificates?
[20:00] <raub> Trying to figure out why I have to manually add the cacert to thunderbird and firefox
[20:29] <adwaitnd> can anyone help me with a very messy android SDK install?
[20:39] <adwaitnd> i am situated behind an authenticated http proxy
[20:39] <adwaitnd> and need to install the android SDK on a 64bit installation of ubuntu 12.04
[20:58] <duanedesign> adwaitnd, i did it a while back uusing Eclipse
[20:59] <adwaitnd> duanedesign:my big problem is the proxy
[20:59] <duanedesign> I remember It was not the most user friendly process
[20:59] <adwaitnd> i cant seem to download the ADT in eclipse either
[20:59] <duanedesign> hmm, it has been so long I am afaid I am not much help
[20:59] <adwaitnd> heres a link to my whole description http://developer.android.com/sdk/installing/index.html
[21:00] <adwaitnd> did you manage to accomplish this behind a proxy?
[21:01] <adwaitnd> sorry. wrong link.. this is the right one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2062779
[21:02] <duanedesign> adwaitnd, you might try thr channel #android-dev
[21:02] <adwaitnd> thank you
[22:29]  * CompyTheInsane drops off a box of 18002 cookies
[23:26] <dakaratekid> ran apt-get autoremove and received a message: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[23:26] <dakaratekid> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[23:27] <dakaratekid> Pretty new here, so what tools do I use to diagnose this?
[23:39] <krytarik> dakaratekid, please see here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/148163/could-not-get-lock-var-lib-dpkg-lock-error


[07:47] <Saviq> tsdgeos, hey, did the qtmir clang branch build for you with clang? I had to rebase it on top of some refactors and such and it complains about gtest/gmock bits?
[07:48] <tsdgeos> yes that doesn't build
[07:48] <tsdgeos> it's said on the MR text
[07:48] <tsdgeos> Saviq: but it helps me run clazy over src/
[07:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, oh ok
[08:37] <Saviq> greyback, hey, had to resubmit https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/qtmir/build_with_clang/+merge/273115 if you could please have a look, also https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/qtmir/gles-sync/+merge/273183 and https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/qtubuntu/gles-sync/+merge/273184
[08:37] <greyback> sure
[08:37] <Saviq> greyback, had to rebuild unity8 this morning after alf's landing, it should soon be good for you to verify mousePointer finally
[08:38] <greyback> cool, ta
[10:00] <greyback_> Saviq: you tried silo22? unity8 in reboot loop for me :( Am digging
[10:10] <Saviq> greyback_, all fine here
[10:10] <greyback_> Saviq: what device you testing?
[10:10] <Saviq> greyback_, how did you install the silo? dist-upgrade?
[10:10] <Saviq> greyback_, krillin/vivid, mako/wily flo/wily
[10:10] <greyback_> Saviq: in the end, yes
[10:11] <greyback_> tried flo/vivid here
[10:11] <Saviq> greyback_, I only upgraded the silo (+ dmz-icon-theme), might be something in wily (or the overlay, if you added it)
[10:11] <Saviq> ah vivid
[10:11] <Saviq> yeah, so in vivid overlay, I didn't dist-upgrade that
[10:11] <Saviq> just the ppa
[10:11] <Saviq> will have a look after ap finishes
[10:12] <greyback_> crash is in rendering thread here, so suspect multimonitor
[10:18] <Saviq> greyback_, ah, you got an external screen? not tried yet
[10:18] <greyback_> Saviq: no actually
[10:18] <Saviq> ok then not sure, all three devices behave ok so far
[10:19]  * greyback_ puzzled
[10:52] <mzanetti> greyback_, same here, mako, rc-proposed
[11:03] <greyback_> yep
[11:04] <greyback_> weird thing is, on mako, I see it draw ok. But as soon as I try interact with it, crash
[11:05] <greyback_> and the crash is in the render thread, as if its gl context is invalidated by something
[11:06] <Saviq> I just wonder how is it that my three devices work fine
[11:06] <greyback_> maybe I need more cats
[11:09] <Saviq> rofl, Ola was asking if we came out cat-crazy... thought she knew...
[11:15] <guest42315> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1502091
[11:15] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1502091 in Canonical System Image "inconsistent and unpredictable scrolling behaviour" [Undecided,New]
[11:17] <Saviq> wtf does ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu not show up as a channel in u-d-f query :[
[11:18]  * Saviq needs moar memories, 8GB not enough for two adt-runs in parallel and firefox...
[11:30] <Saviq> greyback_, mzanetti, three devices with ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/{ubuntu,krillin.en} as appropriate, upgraded no ppa+cursors+citrain, dmz+citrain, ppa alone... all three behave fine here
[11:30] <Saviq> owait
[11:30] <Saviq> mako crash
[11:30] <Saviq> ok got mako crashing after all
[11:30] <greyback_> at least we're consistent
[11:30] <Saviq> what did I do there
[11:31] <mzanetti> mako + ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en here
[11:31] <Saviq> greyback_, mzanetti, that's vivid+overlay alone, no ppa
[11:31] <greyback_> so far, figured out the gl context mir is giving qt is not what it wants (missing alpha buffer and -1 samples)
[11:31] <greyback_> Saviq: really?
[11:31] <Saviq> greyback_, yes
[11:31] <greyback_> eek
[11:31] <Saviq> trying again, but seems like it
[11:32] <greyback_> oh, -1 samples is ok
[11:32] <Saviq> yeah and flo, too
[11:33] <Saviq> ok so someone broke vivid, I'm blaming mir
[11:34] <greyback_> reflashing to check
[11:34]  * Saviq too
[11:34] <greyback_> does that imply bq is ok?
[11:34] <Saviq> krillin is fine it seems
[11:34] <Saviq> yup
[11:35] <Saviq> mzanetti, channel in theory shouldn't matter, bq-aquaris.en just has a custom tarball I think?
[11:35] <mzanetti> Saviq, yes, I agree... however, there have been issues in the past with this... so as you couldn't repro with ubuntu channel I wanted to include the possibility
[11:35] <mzanetti> unlikely... but hey
[11:35] <mzanetti> something must've been different between our devices
[11:36] <Saviq> mzanetti, my make and flo were wily initially
[11:36] <Saviq> mzanetti, but krillin was vivid and was fine, so that's where I got confused
[11:36] <mzanetti> ok... so we nailed it down to vivid+mako & flo
[11:36] <Saviq> didn't expect to be device specific
[11:36] <Saviq> yeah, just confirming now, will upgrade packages one by one
[11:37] <mzanetti> ok. friday market time now. bbiab
[12:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, looks like use_24 didn't fly well
[12:20] <tsdgeos> Saviq: yeah forgot to merge the fix i made to use_12
[12:20] <tsdgeos> well not merge but push
[12:20] <tsdgeos> just pushed it
[12:20] <Saviq> ack
[12:20] <Saviq> tsdgeos, you should be moving to the airport soon?
[12:20] <tsdgeos> there's no Ubuntu.Components.Themes 1.2
[12:20] <tsdgeos> just 0.1 and 1.3
[12:20] <tsdgeos> yes now-ish
[12:20] <tsdgeos> you get there on monday?
[12:20] <Saviq> yes, ~6pm
[12:28] <Saviq> bregma, hey, by "Ubuntu packaging branches" you mean lp:ubuntu/ branches? I don't think we've been paying attention to keeping those in sync for a while
[12:29] <dandrader> greyback_, https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/qtmir/surviveEmptyTexture/+merge/273221
[12:30] <dandrader> greyback_, this was the multimonitor crash I was getting the other day
[12:33] <Saviq> greyback_, mzanetti, ok, so we may resume testing silo 22, making sure to not upgrade uitk
[12:46] <pstolowski> mzanetti, hey, can you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~stolowski/unity8/pkg-version-into-varlib/+merge/272398 ? I managed to find slightly nicer solution to the problem
[13:22] <mzanetti> pstolowski, ack... its ok I guess... will do a test run and approve if it works
[13:24] <Saviq> mzanetti, greyback_, dednick, we might as well pause testing, there's another unity8 landing happening in parallel https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/447
[13:24] <Saviq> so we'll need to rebuild
[13:32] <pstolowski> mzanetti, thanks.. btw, it's in silo 35
[16:14] <a1fa> i need some help trying to capture the slider bug
[16:14] <a1fa> once in a while, launcher will not reveal it self
[16:20] <a1fa> bug#1 : it requires y-mouse movevement to reveal the launcher
[16:21] <a1fa> 7.3.2
[19:04] <mhall119> Saviq: is there a silo with mouse cursor working?
[19:15] <Saviq> mhall119, yeah, 22
[19:16] <Saviq> mhall119, please let me know if you try it out, all feedback welcome
[19:16] <mhall119> Saviq: what image can I run it against?
[19:17] <Saviq> mhall119, either rc-proposed or devel-proposed
[19:17] <mhall119> I just tried againsr rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en r127 for mako and it uninstalls unity
[19:17] <mhall119> I'm updating to r128 now, will try again
[19:17] <Saviq> mhall119, you need to install dmz-cursor-theme
[19:18] <Saviq> mhall119, otherwise citrain will remove ubuntu-touch even
[19:18] <Saviq> it's a new dependency and citrain can't deal with that
[19:19] <mhall119> so apt-get install that?
[19:21] <mhall119> why can't citrain deal with it? shouldn't that be in the package dependencies?
[19:26] <mhall119> Saviq: with dmz-cursor-theme installed, citrain still gives me this:
[19:26] <mhall119> The following packages will be REMOVED: sync-monitor sync-monitor-uoa ubuntu-touch
[19:34] <mhall119> also some complaining about an lxc-android package
[19:34] <mhall119> but it boots!
[19:36] <mhall119> and the cursor works!
[19:36] <mhall119> \o/
[19:38] <mhall119> now to try HDMI hotplugging :)
[19:43] <Saviq> mhall119, that must be unrelated, citrain unfortunately upgrades the whole of overlay, not just the silo
[19:43] <Saviq> mhall119, and you won't see anything on external screen yet, it's in the works, should be ready next week
[19:44] <Saviq> at least it won't crash straight away ;)
[19:45] <mhall119> well it didn't crash straight away, but it didn't display anything either (which it used to do)
[19:46] <mhall119> still, something new to play with :)
[19:49] <Saviq> mhall119, yeah, that's expected, the silo only has the "no crash" part
[19:49] <Saviq> next is actually using the external monitor, which will be ready next week
[19:50] <mhall119> Saviq: awesome, I'll keep coming back and trying the latest and greatest
[19:51] <mhall119> great work by everyone involved, btw, I'm super excited about these developments
[20:07] <Saviq> mhall119, if you're gonna be running the silo for a while, we'll gladly take feedback, we plan to land it in for OTA7 as it's isolated from phone, so any issues are rather important
[20:08] <mhall119> Saviq: I have a spare Nexus 4 for testing/demos, so I'll keep it up to date on that silo
[20:08] <pmcgowan> Saviq, are there instructions for loading up a nexus 4 somewhere?
[20:09] <Saviq> mhall119, just get silo 22, but there's no fireworks there yet, those are coming next week
[20:09] <Saviq> pmcgowan, I meant ↑
[20:09] <pmcgowan> Saviq, what did you say about installing some other dep
[20:09] <Saviq> pmcgowan, right, that, just apt install dmz-cursor-theme
[20:09] <Saviq> pmcgowan, all in all, because citrain will dist-upgrade the whole overlay
[20:09] <pmcgowan> ok and what else :)
[20:10] <Saviq> pmcgowan, it's best to just go: `apt install unity8 qtmir-android qtubuntu-android`
[20:10] <Saviq> phablet-config writable-image -r xxxx --ppa ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-022
[20:10] <mhall119> Saviq: I didin't do that ^^
[20:10] <Saviq> can be used to add the ppa
[20:10] <mhall119> do I need to?
[20:10] <Saviq> mhall119, no, because you dist-upgraded
[20:10] <mhall119> ok
[20:11] <mhall119> Saviq: btw, I posted a video of it: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+MichaelHall119/posts/MxHNiDXzS1a
[20:11] <mhall119> good stuff
[20:11] <Saviq> mhall119, the issues you reported though (re sync) might be interesting to renato
[20:11] <pmcgowan> oo I learned something
[20:11] <Saviq> but that might just be another new dep from buteo&friends
[20:12] <mhall119> Saviq: which issue, the lxc-android package?
[20:12] <pmcgowan> buteo replaced syncevo earlier today
[20:12] <Saviq> mhall119, sync-monitor rather
[20:12] <mhall119> oh, that one, yeah
[20:12] <Saviq> mhall119, lxc-android can't be apt-upgraded
[20:13] <Saviq> so issues upgrading that one are expected
[20:14] <Saviq> but yeah, I expect your other issues stem from the fact that through buteo there were new deps needed from archive and citrain tool does not allow that
[20:15] <Saviq> and doesn't deal well with that
[20:15]  * Saviq hopes he can finally sync contacts and calendar from his owncloud
[20:15] <Saviq> sad that syncevolution didn't work out, but the project seems to be too complex for its own good
[20:20] <Saviq> ltinkl, hey, why the = / => change for application api in the crash reports branch?
[20:22] <mhall119> syncevolution is incredibly complex


[11:31] <arctick> saif: php is pretty much standard, esp. when working with databases
[11:32] <will> geppy: no /home/will
[11:32] <saif> aha, php and mysql,
[11:32] <saif> but a development tool,
[11:32] <neighborlee> saif, I find eclipse to be a very nice IDE environment...
[11:32] <|QuaD|> saif: vim
[11:32] <arctick> i want to learn php+sql myself but i dont know where to start
[11:32] <farruinn> make it look like this: deb http://security.ubuntu.com... warty-security main restricted universe
[11:32] <arctick> ive got as far as installing apache ;)
[11:32] <geppy> arctick:  php.net
[11:32] <saif> arctick: same here
[11:33] <jkelly_> what's a good way to learn programming, i've seen runtime revoulution and i tried python, i am also starting to use a prgram called comal, it's for apple mac.
[11:33] <|QuaD|> saif and arctick: both php and mysql have nice websites
[11:34] <farruinn> earthen: without the ... of course
[11:34] <linux_mafia> maijk, i dont understand what "@ webmin" means
[11:35] <jkelly_> programming, anyone? just staarting, very basic, tips on what books to read and what websites to go to?
[11:35] <earthen> do i do the same for the deb-src as well
[11:35] <saif> |Quad|: ok, thanx alot, i'll go get vim and eclipse and c those websites, php.net??!
[11:35] <saif> jkelly_: yes?
[11:35] <|QuaD|> saif: you don't neeed vim AND eclipse
[11:35] <bborkk> I have a strange problem that causes my system bell to be turned into a screen flash... looks like the screen is refreshing or something.  This happened after I installed MPlayer.  Any ideas?
[11:35] <|QuaD|> vim comes with ubuntu
[11:35] <saif> it does?
[11:36] <farruinn> earthen: yeah
[11:36] <geppy>  How do you kill a program in a "D" state/
[11:36] <saif> command not found!
[11:36] <|QuaD|> weird... i thought it did
[11:36] <|QuaD|> try from a command
[11:36] <jkelly_> saif: do u do programming?
[11:37] <bborkk> jkelly: Check out the www.python.org website... it has a lot of resources for learning Python from scratch.
[11:37] <saif> jkelly_: yes i do, microsoft though, VB.NET C# ..
[11:37] <|QuaD|> VB.NET yucky
[11:37] <xevil> vim was standard in my Ubuntu install
[11:37] <arctick> saif: check out bluefish for code editing, much better than vim
[11:37] <|QuaD|> c# is a little more respectable, not much though
[11:37] <|QuaD|> vb.net programmers should be ashamed to admit it
[11:37] <earthen> farruinn: thank you it seems to be updating it now
[11:38] <jkelly_> i want to learn a programming language that's free. linux, hail open source!
[11:38] <farruinn> earthen: yay! =)
[11:38] <saif> i figured that lately too! :)
[11:38] <yurik> hi........ who knows where is the grub.conf in UBUNTU?
[11:38] <saif> but it gets the job done easily, and it works!
[11:38] <earthen> Thank you very much
[11:38] <bborkk> jkelly: Well, Ubuntu primarily uses Python.
[11:38] <farruinn> earthen: I was having a similar problem with some other package and didn't realize that there were security updates in universe
[11:38] <gangalino> any windows media plugins?
[11:38] <farruinn> yurik: to find a file use locate <file>
[11:39] <earthen> this is only my second week using linux so i'm very new to this all
[11:39] <jkelly_> i've used python for windows, but that's it. how do istart python if i have it already installed?
[11:39] <farruinn> earthen: cool, get ready to learn a lot =)
[11:40] <yurik> farruinn, "locate grub" doesnt work
[11:40] <earthen> hehe i'm a tech for a small school and i've desided to wipe all the windows computer and put Ubuntu on them lol
[11:40] <jkelly_> linux is cool. can't wait to longhorn comes out.... not!
[11:40] <xevil> yurik: isn't it /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:40] <earthen> maybe i should waite for a bit lol
[11:40] <farruinn> xevil: thanks, I'm on ppc
[11:40] <yurik> xevil, wait ... let me check
[11:41] <farruinn> earthen: heheh, probably a good idea
[11:41] <jkelly_> earthen: stay away from the dark side! lol.
[11:41] <arctick> longhorn will be a disapointment, i dont think theyre even doing the new filesysterm anymore
[11:41] <marcellus> Should it be possible to have both xorg-common and xfree86-common installed?
[11:41] <farruinn> earthen: when I was in high school they put linux on a couple of computers to sort of see how people liked it
[11:41] <earthen> unbuntu runs so well though so far except for a few small things
[11:42] <will> lonnnnnnghorn is scum
[11:42] <earthen> yeah i have done the same thing here
[11:42] <farruinn> yes, I'm very impressed with ubuntu
[11:42] <yurik> xevil, yes... you are right ........ thanks a lot!
[11:42] <xevil> yurik: n/p dude
[11:42] <jkelly_> it's just FUD. that's all they do. this is the one thing microsoft can get rid of... linux!
[11:42] <earthen> I am thinking of maybe duel boot
[11:42] <jkelly_> *can't
[11:42] <saif> well, to be frank with u guys, i thought linux should be running more smoothly than this,
[11:42] <saif> i'm totally new to it,
[11:43] <jkelly_> it's just FUD. that's all they do. this is the one thing microsoft can't get rid of... linux!
[11:43] <saif> ubuntu is the first distro i use, and it's been 4 days, and the system crashed 4 times already!
[11:43] <bborkk> Anyone out there using ibm-acpi on a Thinkpad?
[11:43] <jkelly_> is linux 64-bit any good?
[11:43] <will> saif: what did you do to your ubuntu box?!?!
[11:44] <bborkk> saif: Really?  Mine hasn't crashed at all.  What hardware are you using?
[11:44] <arctick> linux hasnt crashed 4 times for me in the last, more than 4 years
[11:44] <jkelly_> of course i woud need a 64-bit laptop.
[11:44] <saif> athlon 2000+
[11:44] <saif> nvidia gforce
[11:44] <xevil> saif: what motherboard chipset?
[11:44] <saif> 756 ram
[11:45] <saif> soltek
[11:45] <jkelly_> linux hardly ever crashes... windows does.... all the time.. glad to get away from it.
[11:45] <thenuke> and what have you been doing when it has crashed?
[11:45] <thenuke> solteks are crap :9
[11:45] <saif> dono exact number
[11:45] <saif> yeah
[11:45] <xevil> is it a nforce2?
[11:45] <thenuke> dunno if it has anything to do with crashes anyways
[11:45] <will> and i love...:NO MORE REBOOTS all the time!!!
[11:45] <saif> but i think the problem is gnome
[11:45] <jkelly_> i'm running ubuntu on a 900mhz machine and it's fast!.
[11:45] <will> saif: gnome has a few issues
[11:45] <saif> geforce4Ti
[11:46] <palmi> can somone please help me, I just installed ubuntu a few minutes ago. I only seem to be able to see one of my two hard drives. how can I find the other one
[11:46] <arctick> where do you put webpages for apache to serve?
[11:46] <will> palmi: you need to mount it
[11:46] <xevil> palmi: mount it
[11:46] <saif> i wanna dowloa kde
[11:46] <saif> it's possible right?
[11:46] <saif> on ubuntu?
[11:46] <jkelly_> apparently there is a memory leak or something like that in windows NT, it needs to restart every 300 days, or something like that.
[11:46] <earthen> yeah we have a alot of 800mhz computer here and ubuntu has made them alot faster than when they were on windows
[11:46] <jkelly_> sudo apt-get install kde
[11:47] <saif> ok cool
[11:47] <will> palmi:http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions/
[11:47] <palmi> thanx
[11:47] <arctick> jkelly: i think you mean winME
[11:47] <saif> personally i do't have much trouble with windows,
[11:47] <saif> i just hate the microsoft policy
[11:47] <surrounder> oi
[11:47] <jkelly_> winME?
[11:48] <saif> and don't wanna be on the side!
[11:48] <saif> that side!
[11:48] <saif> ok,
[11:48] <jkelly_> the dark side!
[11:48] <jkelly_> lol
[11:48] <arctick> yeah, windows ME (millenium edition) was the one with the horible memory leaks
[11:48] <dreamer> wintendo 9x doesn't reclaim memory, which is why it needs to be restarted so often
[11:48] <saif> i also:0
[11:48] <will> palmi: its a bit of a newbie himself who wrote it, so if it sounds crappy to you/ strange just ask
[11:48] <dreamer> personally, I've always rather liked the NT line :P
[11:48] <will> arctick: and windows 98
[11:49] <saif> NT 2000 and XPPro are good ( IMHO )
[11:49] <jkelly_> don't they have windows xp 64-bit, it doesn't run anything 64 bit, does it?
[11:49] <arctick> NT is certainly more stable anyway, still not as much so as linux or BSD
[11:49] <saif> anyways, i have a Create SBLive
[11:49] <will> windows 9x's memory management is on a level with a hippie who has smoked 10 joints a day for about 30 years
[11:49] <saif> and 4 speakers
[11:50] <saif> sound only cumz from rear speakers,
[11:50] <saif> vat to do?
[11:50] <will> saif: check out your sound mixer
[11:50] <saif> i did
[11:50] <arctick> thow out the two speakers that sound dosnt come from? lol
[11:50] <saif> tried alsa and oss
[11:50] <jkelly_> have any of you tried novell desktop linux yet?
[11:50] <will> no is it good?
[11:50] <Bh420> nope
[11:51] <arctick> its pretty
[11:51] <Bh420> been wanting to atleast try it so say i have tho
[11:51] <linux_mafia> jkelly_, win is still in beta for 64 bit, you have to pay or jump through hoops to register to use it iirc, and from what ive read and heard its complete crap, as flaky as corn and dandruff
[11:51] <saif> none of them have the rear/front control
[11:51] <jkelly_> yeah,  it's good.
[11:51] <Bh420> havent found a copy of it yet anywhere
[11:51] <jkelly_> it looks nice too.
[11:52] <dreamer> the reason win 64bit is flaky is up until recently it only worked on itanium procs
[11:52] <arctick> where, by default, do i put webpages for apache to serve? documentation for it sucks...
[11:52] <dreamer> which is why it hasn't been released to the general public
[11:52] <Bh420> ive heard good things about the 64bit xp version on A64 chips
[11:52] <jkelly_> that's weird.
[11:52] <dreamer> yeah I've heard it's going well on A64
[11:52] <Bh420> course a64 kicks butt
[11:52] <Gwildor|elsewher> i have a win 64 serial number......but no disk....i know its on newsgroups though
[11:52] <dreamer> it's on emule too
[11:52] <Gwildor|elsewher> the iso is
[11:53] <dreamer> but I wouldn't get it until it's commercially available anyway
[11:53] <dreamer> ;)
[11:53] <Bh420> next system is going to be a A64 :)
[11:53] <Gwildor|elsewher> no 64bit ....so no need for it
[11:53] <jkelly_> would you get it, winxp 64-bit?
[11:53] <dreamer> Bh420: ditto
[11:53] <dreamer> mmm asus sli a64 board
[11:53] <Bh420> if you have a A64 why not try it
[11:53] <saif> u ca get win64 from the microsoft web site!
[11:53] <jkelly_> i know but nothing works for it.
[11:54] <Bh420> most of the issues ive seen related to xp 64bit have been immature drivers
[11:54] <dreamer> I wouldn't be bothered with it until it has popular support
[11:54] <dreamer> too much hassle
[11:54] <Bh420> but not so much lately
[11:54] <jkelly_> and anyway the programs work only in 32-bit.
[11:54] <Bh420> for now this AXP2700 is working fine
[11:54] <Bh420> gotta love nforce2 chipset :)
[11:55] <dreamer> maybe, but I hate the onboard gf4 in the nf2 boards in my shuttles ;)
[11:55] <jkelly_> you can get 64-bit ubuntu.
[11:55] <dreamer> atm ubuntu is running on a duron 850 :P
[11:55] <dreamer> for pretty much just this irc client ;)
[11:56] <Bh420> i got the Asus A7N8X DLX no onboard video.. :)
[11:56] <linux_mafia> dreamer, why do you hate it?
[11:56] <dreamer> because the drivers give me seven kinds of hell
[11:56] <dreamer> :/
[11:56] <Bh420> its a GF4 MX iirc
[11:56] <jkelly_> what does dreamer hate?
[11:56] <dreamer> yeah it's mx
[11:56] <linux_mafia> dreamer, in linux?
[11:56] <Bh420> the GF3 is better then the GF4 MX
[11:56] <dreamer> in windows.
[11:57] <dreamer> I couldn't get ubuntu livecd to boot on it either though
[11:57] <dreamer> my radeon is in my ubuntu machine because my g400 died ;)
[11:57] <Bh420> still using a GF2 Pro here lol
[11:57] <saif> good night
[11:57] <linux_mafia> dreamer, i have soltek nf2 mobo, w/ onboard gfx, ive never had one problem, must be lucky
[11:58] <dreamer> it's in a shuttle mini-itx
[11:58] <dreamer> two of them, actually
[11:58] <dreamer> I suspect one is actually a touch faulty
[11:58] <dreamer> I had to get the board in the other one replaced
[11:58] <Bh420> i want get one of those mini-itx M12000 boards...
[11:58] <Bh420> build a set top computer the size of a cheapie dvd player
[11:59] <jkelly_> you can run linux on an xbox.
[11:59] <dreamer> I wanted to, but I think I'll build one into a silverstone or dign desktop case, so I can use the mobo in my ubuntu box
[11:59] <dreamer> eventually
[11:59] <dreamer> when I have that elusive money thing
[11:59] <shaya> anyone know why delete doesn't work in emacs?
[11:59] <shaya> it just backspaces


[10:37] <bluesabre> knome: hiiii :) Can you merge in our translations for the slideshow? Noticed you're a part of the ubiquity slideshow team. :) https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/import-translations/+merge/399350
[10:39] <bluesabre> If you can/do, I can also reach out afterwards to see if I can get added to the team to maintain those updates.
[10:39] <Unit193> Very handy, in the future if you may too find it handy I can share.
[12:07] <jphilips> bluesabre: if you have the time, it would be good to finalize the release notes before hand, so that news websites can easily pull from it close to the release date.
[14:39] <jphilips> could this be caused by light-locker https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1918940
[14:39] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 1918940 in linux (Ubuntu) "Screen goes black randomly after upgrade from Xubuntu 18.04.5 LTS to Xubuntu 20.04.2 LTS" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[14:40] <jphilips> is light-locker automatically removed with the upgrade to 20.04?
[18:08] <pleia2> Unit193: thanks for handling the add'l software upgrade tasks :)
[18:09] <pleia2> I've also submitted a community funding request to Canonical to keep paying for the server, covering 2020 and 2021 for a total of $495 (240/yr, plus $15 wire transfer fee)
[18:14] <Unit193> Sure thing, and thanks.