[00:13] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[00:13] <MetaMorfoziS> http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/intrepid/cryptsetup
[00:13] <MetaMorfoziS> here the diff (and probably other links ) 404
[00:13] <MetaMorfoziS> and the binary download page ony has 2-3 proper link, the others 404
[00:14] <MetaMorfoziS> Any idea?
[00:14] <MetaMorfoziS> How can i get that src?
[00:19] <sistpoty> MetaMorfoziS: probably packages.u.c. wasn't synced yet... you might try https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup
[00:19] <sistpoty> MetaMorfoziS: (and in case you have a patch or s.th. you could also ask siretart) ;)
[00:21] <MetaMorfoziS> thank you
[00:21] <sistpoty> np
[00:21] <MetaMorfoziS> cool
[00:23] <MetaMorfoziS> no, i haven't got any patch
[00:23] <MetaMorfoziS> i jsut want to get it work better
[00:23] <MetaMorfoziS> :)
[00:23] <sistpoty> heh
[00:23] <MetaMorfoziS> so i try to build it (I'm on hardy)
[00:23] <MetaMorfoziS> but that version is khm...:)
[00:23] <daskreech> Hallo
[00:23] <MetaMorfoziS> so thats why:)
[00:23] <MetaMorfoziS> hy:)
[00:24] <daskreech> is there an approved way to install VBox in hardy?
[00:24] <sistpoty> daskreech: you mean virtualbox or s.th. else?
[00:24] <MetaMorfoziS> daskreech > first, this isn't the better place
[00:24] <MetaMorfoziS> anyways there are debs for ubuntu
[00:24] <MetaMorfoziS> on vbox's site
[00:25] <daskreech> Virtual box sorry
[00:25] <daskreech> MetaMorfoziS: Not for the ose
[00:25] <daskreech> Open source edition.
[00:25] <sistpoty> daskreech: s.th. like apt-get install virtualbox-ose ;)
[00:25] <daskreech> will that ever be supplied for hardy by Ubuntu ?
[00:26] <sistpoty> daskreech: it should be there imo
[00:26] <daskreech> 1.6 ?
[00:26] <daskreech> Oh sorry should have mentioned 1.6 ;)
[00:27] <pochu> you can request a backport
[00:27] <pochu> but as MetaMorfoziS said, this isn't the best place for that kind of questions...
[00:27] <daskreech> motu ?
[00:28] <MetaMorfoziS> #ubuntu?
[00:29] <daskreech> That's support isn't it not packaging?
[00:30] <pochu> yes, #ubuntu-motu would be the right place
[00:30] <daskreech> thanks!!
[00:30] <MetaMorfoziS> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
[00:30] <MetaMorfoziS> but this is why don't enough for you?
[00:30] <MetaMorfoziS> i don't udnerstand what is the problem with it...
[00:30] <MetaMorfoziS> download, select ubuntu and that's all
[00:30] <daskreech> MetaMorfoziS: I'd prefer the open source edition is all
[00:31] <MetaMorfoziS> but this is the opensource edition imho
[00:31] <daskreech> I'll do that if I need to but just exploring
[00:31] <daskreech> no the have a page on the wiki saying there is a difference
[00:31] <daskreech> thanks though
[00:34] <MetaMorfoziS> I'm googling for it (the problem is don'T know what exactly i need diff or patch) but if somebody knows, please tell me how can i apply something.diff.gz
[00:34] <MetaMorfoziS> that contains a directory tree with a lot of files
[00:34] <MetaMorfoziS> so some batch-patch way needed:)
[00:35] <pochu> zcat ../something.diff.gz | patch -p1
[00:35] <ion_> sejeff: Thanks for the information!
[00:38] <MetaMorfoziS> pochu > thanks, but i don't exactly understand what happened. I have extracted the cryptsetup orig source
[00:38] <MetaMorfoziS> and did what you said
[00:38] <MetaMorfoziS> then it created a new dir named debian
[00:38] <pochu> MetaMorfoziS: do that inside cryptsetup-*/
[00:39] <MetaMorfoziS> oh! okay, i try again
[00:39] <MetaMorfoziS> but it again created a debian folder
[00:39] <MetaMorfoziS> and didn't touched any other files
[00:40] <MetaMorfoziS> i get the stuffs from here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/cryptsetup/2:1.0.6-2ubuntu7
[00:41] <pochu> MetaMorfoziS: if you have the .orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz and .dsc, it's easier to 'dpkg-source -x *.dsc'
[00:42] <MetaMorfoziS> hmm i try that too
[00:44] <MetaMorfoziS> thanks
[00:59] <emgent> night.
[01:41] <slangasek> cody-somerville: well, xcfe4-dict is uninstallable on amd64 still which breaks the install on that arch, but otherwise the install went clean; I assume you're testing i386?
[01:44] <cody-somerville> slangasek, yup
[01:46] <cody-somerville> slangasek, can you manually drop xfce4-dict for this build to fix amd64?
[01:47] <slangasek> cody-somerville: something has to be fixed to not try to install it, surely?
[01:48] <cody-somerville> slangasek, I'm pretty sure it is just seeded. One second.
[01:48] <slangasek> cody-somerville: well, the installer didn't like that it was uninstallable; I assume it wouldn't like that it's removed from the image either
[01:51] <slangasek> fwiw, I've just uploaded the merge of debhelper that will make xfce4-dict buildable again
[01:55] <slangasek> cody-somerville: I have to run out right now anyway, and by the time I get back debhelper should be built, so I'll just plan to fix the xfce4-dict installability that way
[01:55] <cody-somerville> slangasek, awesome :)
[01:57] <slangasek> cody-somerville: please test the current i386 build all the same, because if there are any other issues we'll need to make sure they get fixed in the same pass
[01:57]  * cody-somerville nods.
[01:57] <cody-somerville> Working on it right now.
[02:03] <kees> slangasek: before DIF, is there some way to get a list of all the FTBFS auto-sync'd packages in the archive without screen-scraping the build logs?  (for me to find hardening option fall-out)
[02:04] <wgrant> kees: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs might be helpful.
[02:04] <wgrant> That will list all FTBFSes.
[02:04] <wgrant> And I could probably whip up one with just syncs in a couple of minutes.
[02:05] <wgrant> kees: And didn't we pass DIF a couple of days back?
[02:06] <kees> wgrant: oh, whoops, heh, it was yesterday.
[02:08] <kees> wgrant: cool.  how is that website generated, out of curiosity?
[02:10] <wgrant> kees: It scrapes LP failed build lists, and works out which of those are for the latest SPR.
[02:11] <wgrant> (the source should be linked down the bottom, as long as I haven't restricted my ~ too much...)
[02:12] <kees> cool, cool.
[02:13] <kees> do you download the logfiles?
[02:13] <wgrant> No, but they're all directly linked there, and it would be easy enough to.
[02:13] <kees> right, I was just curious if there was a single blob or rsync I could do.  :)
[02:14] <kees> I'll use this to pull all the fail logs and look for hardening option failures.
[02:15] <wgrant> If you want, I'll alter it to grab any logs it doesn't already have each time it runs. Probably useful for other things too.
[02:20] <kees> it might be useful.  actually... is that code published anywhere?  I could add a set of key phrases to look for, and then add a flag for "possible hardneing option failure" or something like that.
[02:20] <kees> wait, actually, never mind
[02:20] <kees> I'm going to need to pull all the build log to search for the -Wformat warnings (which don't cause build failures) anyway.
[02:21] <wgrant> kees: The code is all linked down the bottom of that page.
[02:22] <kees> oh! hah, so it it.  I didn't notice the little 'source' link.  ;)
[02:26] <nxvl> kees: around?
[02:26] <kees> nxvl: hola
[02:28]  * kees is in suspense
[02:28] <nxvl> :p
[02:28] <nxvl> kees: sorry, i was in other tab
[02:28] <nxvl> kees: i hvae uploaded some other versions of augeas (same version with fixes)
[02:28] <kees> hehe, no problem:)
[02:28] <nxvl> also i replied to your mail
[02:29] <kees> nxvl: everything in my first email was addressed?
[02:29] <bliZZardz> wgrant : can you share the link once more (came in late) .. am also thinking of building a 'wrapper' on top of LP
[02:29] <nxvl> (like a week ago :P)
[02:29] <nxvl> kees: yep
[02:29] <kees> nxvl: \o/  I will go take a look.
[02:29] <nxvl> kees: at least i think it is
[02:29] <kees> you wrote the 2nd man page?
[02:29] <nxvl> kees: also some soren and siretart suggestions
[02:29] <nxvl> oh no
[02:30] <nxvl> that's the only think missing
[02:30] <nxvl> i'm waiting for upstream to do it (they say they will we this weekend on the worst scenario)
[02:30] <kees> okay, cool.
[02:30] <nxvl> but i haven't check
[02:30] <nxvl> i have had a busy week
[02:32] <kees> nxvl: with augeus, or generally?
[02:32] <nxvl> kees: i replied to your mail
[02:33] <kees> nxvl: okay, thanks
[02:33] <nxvl> like a week ago
[02:33] <nxvl> no, i have had a busy week at work
[02:33] <nxvl> i was in an internal course
[02:33]  * kees nods
[02:33] <nxvl> also i'm on the deadline of univerity works
[02:33] <nxvl> and examsn
[02:33] <nxvl> so have been busy
[02:33] <nxvl> and also giving augeas some time daily
[02:34] <nxvl> (you can tell by the daily uploads on revu :D)
[02:34] <kees> :)
[02:34] <kees> do you have the revu url handy?
[02:34] <nxvl> yep
[02:34] <nxvl> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=augeas
[02:35] <nxvl> btw
[02:36] <nxvl> how did you checked the rpath issue? i can make lintian tell me anything
[02:36] <nxvl> just the man page missing thing
[02:36] <kees> nxvl: if you've got a few minutes, go ahead and file the ITP in Debian for it, that was on my list too.
[02:36] <nxvl> kees: i have
[02:36] <nxvl> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=487896
[02:36] <nxvl> it's on the new debian version
[02:36] <kees> ah! okay, sorry, I didn't see it in the revu changelog, no worries
[02:37] <nxvl> (on mentors)
[02:37] <kees> cool
[02:37] <nxvl> http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=augeas
[02:37] <kees> mentors doesn't have a browseable expanded directory, so I was poking at revu for the moemnt.  ;)
[02:37] <nxvl> yep
[02:37] <nxvl> i know taht
[02:37] <nxvl> :D
[02:37] <nxvl> also it doesn't have the nice diff's
[02:37] <nxvl> :D
[02:56] <kees> nxvl: do you have lintian installed when you do builds?  I'm still seeing augtool needing rpath fixes (says lintian)
[03:03] <slangasek> kees: I don't know of a good way to identify those packages as a class, no
[03:04] <slangasek> cody-somerville: any news on the i386 install test?
[03:04] <cody-somerville> slangasek, so far so good
[03:05] <slangasek> ok
[03:05] <slangasek> xfce4-dict is building now on amd64
[03:05] <cody-somerville> splendid.
[03:18] <kees> 000
[03:19] <kees> gah, cat.
[03:19] <slangasek> useless keypress of cat
[03:38] <cody-somerville> slangasek, appears good
[03:52] <slangasek> cody-somerville: please document this in the ISO tracker
[03:52] <slangasek> oh, you did alerady :)
[03:54] <slangasek> cody-somerville: ok, so xfce4-dict amd64 missed this publishing run, which means I get to wait another hour before I can have a fixed amd64 CD, and then after that we still need rsyncing and testing of both architectures
[03:54] <slangasek> cody-somerville: what do you think about pushing out the existing i386 build, and then I can test amd64 a little bit later and push out the updated image if it looks ok?
[03:56] <slangasek> (I would in that case go ahead with announcing the alpha before the amd64 build is up, as well)
[04:02] <wgrant> kees: That easteregg is unfortunately buggy in Compiz :(
[04:05] <kees> wgrant: hehe, yeah, I'd noticed that too.  :P
[04:15] <slangasek> cody-somerville: ok, making an executive decision to do the thing I said above; I'll be available for kicking in an hour or two if you disagree :)
[05:59] <slangasek> calc: still hammering away at OOo?
[06:00] <cody-somerville> slangasek, ok.
[06:00] <slangasek> cody-somerville: ah, still up? :)
[06:01] <slangasek> publisher is taking tooo looooong, I'm still waiting for xfce4-dict/amd64 to be out
[06:01] <cody-somerville> slangasek, aye. I was at the other computer doing dirty, proprietary work stuff :(
[06:01] <slangasek> heh :)
[06:02]  * cody-somerville doesn't understand the hyper about Macs - he hates the one has to use for his current project at work.
[06:07] <calc> slangasek: uploading it now
[06:07] <calc> slangasek: will take an hour or so
[06:14] <calc> i'm not at home so once it finishes uploading to chinstrap i have to dput from there
[06:14] <calc> i'll be heading home soon, and can do it when i get there
[06:14]  * calc bbl
[07:21] <calc> slangasek: uploaded to the queue
[07:21] <slangasek> thanks
[07:22] <calc> slangasek: the code has already been tested on amd64/i386/lpia for building at least
[07:22] <calc> slangasek: i uploaded a ppa of it thursday night
[07:22] <calc> i just upped the version number and added the changelog entry
[07:23] <calc> my dad's new Core2Quad Q9300 (2.5GHz) uses less power (at idle anyway) than his old athlon xp 1800
[07:24] <calc> ~ 90W at the wall vs ~ 140W
[07:30]  * calc is now headed to bed, bbl
[07:31] <calc> slangasek: oh yea assuming this one passes inspection it will need to be copied into intrepid as well
[07:31] <slangasek> ok
[07:31] <slangasek> g'night then
[07:31] <calc> have fun :)
[08:20] <kahrytan> What kernel is in ibex?
[08:25] <StevenK> kahrytan: At the moment, Intrepid has the same kernel as Hardy. It's planned to be 2.6.26.
[08:26] <slangasek> StevenK: actually, we're already at 2.6.26(pre) in intrepid
[08:26] <slangasek> not on lpia, mind
[08:26] <StevenK> Ah.
[08:26]  * StevenK is out of date.
[08:26] <wgrant> StevenK: I think even linux-meta is 2.6.26 now.
[08:29] <StevenK> I see that.
[08:29] <kahrytan> slangasek,  whats in first alpha?
[08:29] <slangasek> 2.6.26pre.
[08:29] <kahrytan> basicly, beta kernel
[08:30] <slangasek> mentioned in the technical overview page.
[08:30] <kahrytan> RC5 oops
[08:30] <kahrytan> ill put in vbox
[09:40] <kahrytan> Quiet place
[09:40] <geser> !weekend
[09:41] <kahrytan> oh hello heser
[09:41] <kahrytan> geser
[09:43] <kahrytan> geser,  are you developer?
[09:43] <geser> I'm a MOTU
[09:43] <kahrytan> Busy person eh
[09:44] <geser> yes, as universe isn't small
[09:45] <nxvl> universe rocks
[09:47] <kahrytan> Does vbox/vmware testing even matter to ubuntu?
[09:47] <nxvl> yep
[09:47] <kahrytan> Mattered most for Hardy though
[09:47] <nxvl> (if you mean test alphas/betas using vbox/vmware)
[09:48] <kahrytan> nxvl,  why does it matter?
[09:50] <nxvl> because we don't care only for hw testing, also for procedure/packages/instalation
[09:50] <slangasek> nxvl: I sense a spin-off of a spin-off in the making.  "I love the whole universe // and all its unpacked source <boom de ah da>"
[09:50] <nxvl> which are hw independt
[09:50] <nxvl> slangasek:
[09:50] <nxvl> slangasek: :D
[09:50] <nxvl> slangasek: is just that MOTU is fun
[09:50] <kahrytan> nxvl,  software bugs show up in both environments?
[09:51] <nxvl> yup
[09:52] <kahrytan> well, vbox hangs on python-gnome2
[09:52] <nxvl> for example, if it fails to install ubuntu-minimal it will fail using real HW or VM
[09:52] <nxvl> kahrytan: or that
[09:52] <nxvl> :D
[09:53] <kahrytan> i plan to setup tiny partition for ibex. I gotta lil hw issue in hardy and wonder if 2.6.26 fixes it.
[09:59] <kahrytan> I know hunger is a developer
[10:01] <emgent> morning
[10:01] <nxvl> emgent: night :D
[10:01] <kahrytan> Aloha, emgent
[10:01] <emgent> nxvl: lol night :)
[10:01] <nxvl> well, almost morning
[10:01] <kahrytan> its 11pm here
[10:02] <bheekling> Hello!
[10:02] <bheekling> I just have a little question
[10:02] <bheekling> Do you guys use -Wl,O1 for building the debs?
[10:02] <bheekling> LDFLAGS ie
[10:03] <nxvl> kahrytan: 4 am here
[10:03] <kahrytan> nxvl,  did you stay up all night or wake up early?
[10:03] <nxvl> bheekling: if you need to yes, if not, don't
[10:03] <nxvl> kahrytan: it's saturday i have just come back home
[10:04] <bheekling> nxvl, I just need to know if that's the default setting you guys use -- I believe that's the safest LDFLAG
[10:04] <nxvl> bheekling: well it depends on the packager
[10:04] <nxvl> bheekling: and the package
[10:05] <bheekling> nxvl, so you leave it completely to the discretion of the maintainer?
[10:05] <bheekling> With no guidelines?
[10:08] <nxvl> bheekling: there are some guidelines
[10:08] <nxvl> bheekling: take a look at the debian policy
[10:08] <nxvl> but yes, it's completely to the discretion of the maintainer
[10:08] <nxvl> and the ackers
[10:08] <nxvl> or archive managers
[10:09] <bheekling> nxvl, okay, I'll grok the debian policy :)
[10:09] <bheekling> Thanks!
[10:10] <kahrytan> nxvl,  Why does Ubuntu force people to install openoffice?
[10:11] <nxvl> kahrytan: you can remove it
[10:11] <kahrytan> I always do. Most of it at least.
[10:11] <Hobbsee> because most people actually want an office suite.
[10:13] <kahrytan> Hobbsee,  Just those who need spreedsheet/presentation app
[10:13] <Hobbsee> which, last i checked, is still an awful lot of people.
[10:14] <kahrytan> If people just need Word, then Abiword better.
[10:14] <Hobbsee> yes, but people don't tend to just need word.  there are a heck of a lot of spreadsheets around.  case closed.
[10:17] <nxvl> btw
[10:17] <nxvl> people doesn't need word
[10:17] <nxvl> and they can't have it on linux
[10:18] <nxvl> they need text procesors with is a different thing
[10:18]  * Tm_T pokes nxvl
[10:18] <Tm_T> you do need word, Kword ;-P
[10:18] <nxvl> kword is still a text procesor
[10:19] <Tm_T> it is, but it's more than that ;)
[10:19] <nxvl> ok
[10:19] <Tm_T> really, you are right, I was just making stupid joke
[10:19] <kahrytan> Tm_T,  Never used it.  What's your point?
[10:23] <wgrant> (disclaimer: I hate OOo)
[10:24] <kahrytan> 84% complete on ibex
[10:24] <wgrant> kahrytan: Intrepid Alpha 1, you mean?
[10:24] <wgrant> Unless you have servers running Heron or Drake.
[10:24] <wgrant> I don't know anybody who does.
[10:25] <kahrytan> Im using vbox
[10:25] <wgrant> I see the relevance.
[10:25] <kahrytan> wgrant, I plan to hdd test.
[10:26] <wgrant> I continue to see it.
[10:26] <kahrytan> wgrant,  to what?
[10:27] <wgrant> kahrytan: I'm failing to see how using VirtualBox makes you use an irregular name for Intrepid.
[10:27] <kahrytan> wgrant,  Ibex is faster to type then Intrepid.
[10:30] <kahrytan> I've been trying to remember what I remember you from, wgrant
[10:33] <kahrytan> wgrant,  didnt i contact you via email about totem-mozilla?
[10:34] <wgrant> kahrytan: There was that Firefox plugin finder bug.
[10:34] <wgrant> Which you managed to get me to look at and fix.
[10:34] <kahrytan> Thats why i remember you
[10:35] <wgrant> I would hope so.
[10:36] <kahrytan> INtrepid installed just find
[10:36] <kahrytan> fine*
[10:40] <kahrytan> wgrant,  Whats with people and dark color themes?
[10:41] <wgrant> kahrytan: It's the new thing, I guess. Vista does it, so we must.
[10:41] <wgrant> I used one for a while last year, and now again since Intrepid has one...
[10:41] <kahrytan> wgrant, uh. Vista doesnt.
[10:41]  * Hobbsee requests all vista talk heads to #ubuntu-offtopic.
[10:42] <kahrytan> Vista uses light blue color by default
[10:42] <wgrant> The taskbar is black, no?
[10:42] <wgrant> I've not seen blue in Vista, other than the background.
[10:42] <kahrytan> wgrant,  if you count taskbar then you have to remember XP
[10:42] <wgrant> Which was blue, like the rest of it.
[10:43] <Hobbsee> second warning.
[10:43]  * wgrant drops Windows ME on Hobbsee
[10:43] <wgrant> Or is it Me? I forget.
[10:43] <kahrytan> wgrant, There is new proposal in forums for Intrepid. It looks better
[10:45] <kahrytan> I do know onething, Icons and NewHuman dont go together
[10:46] <wgrant> kahrytan: The Human iconset was meant to be replaced for Hardy, so I presume it will be for Intrepid.
[10:46] <kahrytan> wgrant, I didnt want to say it but .. please do.
[10:47] <wgrant> Do what?
[10:47] <kahrytan> change human icons
[10:47]  * wgrant is a mere (primarily security) MOTU.
[10:48] <kahrytan> wgrant,  Human look to Elementary icon theme
[10:48] <wgrant> The most desktopy thing I've done is fixing your bug.
[10:50] <kahrytan> wgrant,  Why did you  fix that bug?
[10:56] <kahrytan> There is so many people on freenode who dont realize that getting cloak is easy as 1-2-3
[10:57] <wgrant> kahrytan: Because not many bugs unfixably destroy the packaging system.
[10:57] <kahrytan> wgrant,  which that bug did
[10:58] <wgrant> kahrytan: Correct.
[10:59] <wgrant> So it was in everyone's interests to get it fixed ASAP, and I felt it to be within my grasp.
[10:59] <kahrytan> wgrant,  you ever figure out how to fix effected people?
[11:07] <cjwatson> kahrytan: don't confuse not being interested in a cloak with not knowing how to get a cloak
[11:07]  * cjwatson for one is not interested
[11:08] <kahrytan> cjwatson,  my bad.
[11:09] <kahrytan> cjwatson,  you work on the installer?
[11:09] <Hobbsee> kahrytan: no, evand does, like i told you yesterday (or was it the day before?)
[11:09] <Hobbsee> although he does some work on it
[11:10] <kahrytan> yesterday.. darn. i forgot.
[11:14] <cjwatson> I do too, yes
[11:15] <cjwatson> kahrytan: ^-
[11:16] <kahrytan> cjwatson,  I figured you might do some work.. hence the reason for that channel
[11:19] <cjwatson> less so of late, but will hopefully increase again later this cycle
[11:21]  * cjwatson -> out
[11:48] <aldolat> Hi to all... I was updating my freshly-installed Hardy Heron when I received this alert: http://www.aldolat.it/download/tmp/screenshot3.png
[11:49] <aldolat> What do you think?
[12:06] <kahrytan> aldolat,  goto #ubuntu
[13:15] <chrisj> Is there some general channel for application developers?
[13:15] <ogra> siretart, around ?
[13:17] <ogra> siretart, seems you uploaded libopenal-dev, its missing the .la file which breaks rss-xgl builds (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15646475/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.rss-glx_0.8.1-10ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz)
[13:31]  * Hobbsee scratches head.
[13:31] <Hobbsee> come on apt, behave!
[13:32] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: scratch also trunk and branches
[13:50] <fta> anyone could try to reproduce bug 243717 please ?
[13:52] <Hobbsee> whoa!  new artwork!
[13:53] <ion_> You mean the painful Gtk theme? :-)
[13:53] <Hobbsee> yeah...
[13:53] <Hobbsee> all i can say is, "it'll stop people complaining about the orange"
[13:54]  * ogra really likes it
[13:54] <ion_> This seems to be a normal phase in the development versions of Ubuntu: a painful, experimantal new theme is uploaded, everyone complains, it’s reverted or fixed. ;-)
[13:54] <Hobbsee> ogra: it seems that only parts are actually in the new colours - do you get that?
[13:55] <siretart> ogra: please file a bug and assign it to me, I'll get to it either this weekend or early next week
[13:55] <ogra> i dont run intrepid, i only watched kwwii developing the new theme
[13:55] <Hobbsee> ogra: i'm getting the whole "part of the desktop is dark and brown, yet the other part is white and grey" thing.
[13:56] <ogra> siretart, fine with me, rss-glx isnt critical, but i dont know what else might break ...
[13:57] <ogra> Hobbsee, yeah, sounds like not all apps are updated yet etc .... there are some app specific fixes needed where things like nautilus dont respect a new background color or firefox shows ll the pulldown links in the input matching in green text
[13:58] <Hobbsee> ogra: yeah, i guess konversation, firefox, and thunderbird arent' good testing apps
[13:58] <Hobbsee> ooh, i see.
[13:58] <Hobbsee> gedit shows up better.
[13:58] <wgrant> Hobbsee: Restart some apps.
[13:59] <wgrant> Hobbsee: All of mine have been dark for a few days, but I needed to restart some.
[14:00] <ogra> siretart, bug 243719 is yours :)
[14:00] <ion_> The biggest problem i had was most of the webpages being really bright compared to the theme. The second biggest was that i just prefer to read black text on a light grey background.
[14:00] <wgrant> ion_: Then change to the light version of the theme.
[14:00] <ion_> I did.
[14:00] <Hobbsee> ion_: ++
[14:00] <wgrant> I quite like it, as it means my dark terminals blend in.
[14:00] <ion_> And since most users will, perhaps it should be the default. ;-)
[14:01] <wgrant> It is a bit of a default change. I know a lot of people who run dark themes anyway, but it's probably not a good sample.
[14:03] <Hobbsee> wgrant: yeah, the terminals look very nice.
[14:03] <Hobbsee> except for the fact that it's partly translucent, and there's lots of text behind said terminal.
[14:03] <ion_> Ouch
[14:04] <wgrant> Hobbsee: The actual terminal bit isn't transparent, right?
[14:04] <wgrant> (unless you've told it to be...)
[14:04] <Hobbsee> wgrant: no, just the lighter colour around it
[14:04] <Hobbsee> where the file menu is, and such
[14:04] <wgrant> The widgets are meant to be transparent - gnome-terminal looks to set them to be RGBA, and this Murrine supports translucency.
[14:05] <wgrant> It looks very good when you have blur on, but that's unusable on Intel chips.
[14:06] <Hobbsee> hmm.  no fire.
[14:09] <Hobbsee> ah, fire!
[14:10] <_max_> anyone happen to be an ace on GPT partition table and how ubuntu seems to use it differently from Debian ?
[14:18] <Chipzz> ogra: that's not a bug, that's a feature ;)
[15:56] <chrisj> Has the murrine with translucency support been released?
[16:14] <costi> hi all
[16:14] <costi> is my last prject appropriate for multiverse?:
[16:14] <costi> https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/gooload
[18:10] <fbond> Hi, I may file a bug, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.  In Hardy, /etc/acpi/power.sh enables and disables laptop mode where appropriate, but also mucks around with hdparm -B and -S itself, even though laptop mode manages those things.  Is this a bug?
[18:11] <fbond> Interestingly, when going on battery, it overrides laptop mode's settings, but when going on AC, laptop mode takes precedence...
[18:12] <fbond> (And -B 1 seems a bit excessive to me...)
[18:16] <Yud_Zroc> what programming languages will work with all operating systems (like making a program for ubuntu windows and mac)
[18:17] <selckin> java
[18:17] <Yud_Zroc> what about c++
[18:18] <hippu> it works too
[18:18] <Yud_Zroc> ok
[18:18] <ScottK> Perl and Python as well.
[18:18] <Yud_Zroc> cause my school teached c++ and i want to join the comunity in destroying windows (evil smirks)
[18:19] <ScottK> It's probably easiest to write cross-platform code in Perl and Python.
[18:19] <Yud_Zroc> is c++ easy
[18:20] <jpds> Yud_Zroc: It's like everything, takes time and practise.
[18:21] <Yud_Zroc> i mean for customizability
[18:23] <Yud_Zroc> can anyone 1 on 1 with me about compiling code
[18:23] <Yud_Zroc> its like greek to me :(
[18:25] <jpds> !build-essential > Yud_Zroc
[18:27] <Yud_Zroc> i did
[18:27] <Yud_Zroc> jpds whats that supposed to mean :(
[18:27] <jpds> Yud_Zroc: See the link it gave you.
[18:28] <Yud_Zroc> ya
[18:29] <fbond> Any ACPI-aware developers have a second to consider my question (above)?
[18:31] <ScottK> !weekend | fbond
[18:32] <Yud_Zroc> ok how about some jokes then to keep pople buzy :)
[18:34] <jussi01> no
[18:34] <jussi01> we are busy enough as it is
[18:34] <Yud_Zroc> ok
[18:48] <\sh> hmm..who can post on the fridge?
[18:50] <jpds> \sh: I'd try #ubuntu-news
[18:51] <jpds> \sh: But I think the list is: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-fridge
[19:55] <Dekans> hello all
[19:56] <Dekans> how can I suggest a new app to integrate in next release ?
[21:09] <orbisvicis> was (x)vnc updated recently
[21:26] <sistpoty> hm... can anoyne enlighten me, why apt bails out for perl, even if there's a replaces against libarchive-tar-perl? (cf. bug #235454)
[21:27] <sistpoty> I mean, shouldn't it just replace /usr/bin/ptar instead of saying there's a conflict?


[05:48] <jarnos> How can you disable screensaver or blanking of screen? I think kaffeine activates some automatic blanking that does not stop even if you quit kaffeine.
[13:31] <cerebrate> domo arigato meeeester ubottu
[14:51] <ahoy> lubuntu keeps crashing randomly
[14:51] <ahoy> what can i do about it?
[16:11] <RaphaelBarros> Hi guys, do you know any place where I can get some cool panel images for the lxde panel? I only found one entry in gnome-look and they were quite ugly.
[16:34] <hpuser4466> Problem:  gpicview (image viewer) scrambles jpeg images.  Fix?
[16:35] <hpuser4466> Problem2:  pcmanfm won't show jpeg thumbnails.  Fix?
[16:36] <hpuser4466> *.jpg
[16:43] <hpuser4466> Ok i fixed the thumbnail issue by increasing the KB size limit for thumbnails.
[16:48] <hpuser4466> gpicview is still scrambling the image.
[16:49] <hpuser4466> screenshot >>    http://imagebin.org/254138
[17:44] <zleap> hi
[17:44] <zleap> what program allows me to edit the menu in 12.04
[17:44] <SonikkuAmerica> zleap: leafpad works
[17:44] <zleap> ok
[17:44] <zleap> so where are the files then
[17:44] <zleap> loclal i guess
[17:45] <zleap> local (as in user directory)
[17:45] <SonikkuAmerica> Try this link, it might help >>> http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Main_Menu
[18:43] <hpuser4466> Inkscape (vector graphics editor) won't print from within inkscape. I have to print to file (as .pdf) and then print the document via the pdf viewer.
[18:45] <hpuser4466> On the bright side,  the pdf documents print quite fast.
[19:35] <zleap> why does lubuntu 12.10 need over 200mb to install a menu editor , granted alacarte doesn;t work anyway according to one website
[19:35] <zleap> but to request 200+ mb of extra packages
[19:37] <zleap> hi
[19:53] <phillw> zleap: I believe this has been answered on the mailing list, but for the record. Head over to https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/+archive/non-official-apps and use menulibre
[19:54] <phillw> Things do get developed outside and along side our 'committed' stuff that may well appear in a future release.
[19:56] <zleap> i just installed it
[19:57] <zleap> thanks
[19:59] <phillw> zleap: the things are there are the 'thoughts' of our devs. Getting xombrero to build is a great help for the low-resource computers, we will discuss what goes forward for 13.10 after 13.04 is released. but, you cannot keep the devs from thinking and working on things :D
[19:59] <zleap> ok np
[20:01] <phillw> also the dev version of Chromum is now available for raring, from yet another 'non-official' ppa. I use that rolling release all the time, it only broke for 24 hours in the time I've used it in precise... But, it is a -dev release :)
[20:02] <phillw> https://launchpad.net/~a-v-shkop/+archive/chromium-dev]
[20:03] <phillw> depends on how 'bleeding edge' you like to be :D (Or, also as it is a browser; how fast you want security issues dealt with).
[20:04] <zleap> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/+archive/non-official-apps?field.series_filter=raring
[20:04] <zleap> i followed the instructions there
[20:04] <zleap> so added the ppa and added the sources to /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:05] <zleap> then did update
[20:07] <phillw> zleap: if you are testing 13.04, that is correct. (it is the same version for all, so it is a minor point if you are running precise / quantal etc.)
[20:07] <zleap> well it runs
[20:07] <zleap> lxpanelctl restart < do i need to run that to re-read the files so the new menu - what i have turned off displays
[20:08] <zleap> i am removing the games that come with ubuntu from the menu
[20:08] <zleap> or some of them anyway
[20:08] <zleap> lubntu sorry
[20:12] <phillw> I've not played with menulibre hopefully someone else here, or on the mailing list can help you out.
[20:12] <zleap> it works
[20:12] <zleap> just need to play around with it
[20:19] <phillw> zleap: hopefully some one will post up some links to the lubuntu wiki team so we can get instructions / screen shots etc. sorted out :)
[20:21] <zleap> http://zleap.net/lubuntu-menu-editing/
[20:21] <zleap> i will try to get some up for lxmed
[20:24] <phillw> zleap: thanks, we are planning a review of the lubuntu wiki docs area, so please feel more than welcome to join that team at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationTeam JasonO is the Team Leader for that group.
[20:24] <zleap> ok
[20:30] <zleap> http://zleap.net/lubuntu-menu-editing/
[20:33] <zleap> ok joined
[20:34] <zleap> I will try and write some instructions for the lxmed program too
[20:36] <phillw> zleap: I've approved you :)
[20:37] <phillw> JasonO:  will get an email informing him and will be able to scroll back and see our conversation on here.
[20:42] <zleap> ok thanks
[20:56] <zleap> ok quick lxmed how toi http://zleap.net/lubuntu-menu-editing-lxmed/
[23:24] <matt1003> I have been trying to use xrandr to setup two 22" LCD monitors; the left monitor in landscape orientation and the monitor right in portrait orientation. I have got the image on the portrait monitor to rotate correctly, however this causes the task bar to drop off the landsacpe monitor.
[23:26] <matt1003> I would like the task bar to appear only in the landscape monitor; is the possible to configure on lubuntu with xrandr?
[23:28] <phillw> hi matt1003 This tool doesn't aim to be a full xrandr frontend. It is meant for beginners rather than geeks. If you need the full power of X RandR extension, use xrandr (console) or arandr (GUI) and read some tutorials.
[23:28] <phillw> it is a 'low-fat' version
[23:29] <phillw> xrandr will be fully customisable for you.
[23:29] <phillw> it worked fine for me to hook up an external monitor for my laptop.
[23:33] <matt1003> I have been using xrandr (console), however i don't think it has the ability to control where the task bar is placed with the desktop.
[23:34] <phillw> matt1003: you may want to have a look at http://lubuntu.net/blog/lubuntu-screencast-multi-monitor-tips-tricks#comments leszek does make good screen casts, and there are comments that discuss your issue (from what I can read)
[23:35] <phillw> I've not tried arandr, I must give it a go some time :)
[23:37] <matt1003> Cheers, I will take another look at that link.


[04:22] <Takyoji> Soooo, your typical Linux distro DOESN'T have an IPsec stack installed by default?