[06:03] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:04] <Bashing-om> wb lotuspsychje
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> howdy Bashing-om hows the irc night been?
[06:07] <Bashing-om> It has been lively .. Nothing real heavy .
[06:08] <freakyy> hi all. anyone wanna talka bout budige?
[06:08] <freakyy>  ;D
[06:08] <freakyy> budgie
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> freakyy: its becomming an official flavor, so we read
[06:09] <freakyy> yea that's awesome ;D
[06:09] <freakyy> im just testing it and i like it even more than gnome-shell ;D
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> next year officially right?
[06:09] <freakyy> yea, with 17.03
[06:09] <freakyy> *094
[06:09] <freakyy> omg 04
[06:09] <freakyy> does anyone have
[06:10] <freakyy> a screenshot of the default desktop of ubuntu-budgie-remix?
[06:10] <freakyy> ill look for one
[06:10] <freakyy> because i have this iBus thing
[06:10] <freakyy> which comes with mate
[06:10] <freakyy> and i dont know i dont need it
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> freakyy: check deviantart, its full of linux screenshots
[06:11] <freakyy> ok thanks
[06:12] <freakyy> ok its not there
[06:12] <freakyy> how can i ... see the autostart programs
[06:13] <freakyy> oh and how do i add thigns to autostart
[06:13] <freakyy> in budige
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> morning baizon
[06:40] <baizon> hi lotuspsychje
[06:48] <freakyy> ok
[06:48] <freakyy> hi ;d
[06:59] <freakyy> oh it's a pitty budgie doesnt have a proper open windows ALT+TAB switching
[06:59] <freakyy> it just switches through windows and brings them to foreground - doesnt just show icons or anything and switches between them in middle of screen
[06:59] <freakyy> thats something it really should have
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> maybe add an idea or bug
[07:11] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje - good morning :)
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> about to breakfast again, we always doublecross ducasse
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> :p
[07:12] <ducasse> :)
[07:12] <ducasse> go get breakfast, need to catch up on my backlog :)
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> laterz ; )
[08:29] <Bashing-om> That time for me , Got to take a pause for the cause . Laters .
[11:49] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[21:23] <Bashing-om>  Baccckk .. did I mis anything exciting while in my recouperative stage ?


[00:28] <Vic2> so april 1 2019? april 30 2019? some other day in april 2019?
[00:35] <Vic2> guiverc hyskaru  so april 1 2019? april 30 2019? some other day in april 2019?
[00:35] <hyskaru> Vic2: seriously ?
[00:37] <guiverc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases - the dates are set closer to EOL, I monitor them but sure don't remember if an actual date is given.. it'll be on or after april 17th.
[00:41] <Vic2> ty guiverc
[00:42] <Vic2> yes seriously hyskaru
[00:42] <hyskaru> Vic2: upgrade your ubuntu, no ?
[00:42] <mike802> hey, i'm having problems trying to connect to mysql with phpmyadmin
[00:43] <mike802> can anyone help?
[00:53] <someone_> My disk space is decreasing frequently and fastly what is the reason? I'm using Kubuntu 16.04 since two years ago and I have not faced such as problem .
[00:54] <tomreyn> someone_: maybe you're storing more and more data on it? can you run "df -h | pastebinit" and post the http address?
[00:55] <tomreyn> mike802: on the same host? got an error message? how are you authenticating? what do mysel server logs say?
[00:56] <someone_> tomreyn actually that happened so fast in two minutes more than 2 GB stored in my disk without any reason .
[00:57] <tomreyn> someone_: if there was no reason, it wouldn't have been stored.
[00:58] <someone_> Is it normal that var/log folder size is more than 5 GB ?
[00:59] <tomreyn> it's uncommon
[00:59] <tomreyn> what are the larger files in there? sudo ls -lh /var/log/ | pastebinit
[01:03] <someone_> As I said that happens suddenly and without any reason the CPU fan its sound became higher after that the disk space became lower and lower in every min and there was a process using more than 25% of CPU, after that I closed the laptop .
[01:06] <sl4ck> hi all. how secure is LUKS encryption?
[01:06] <someone_> tomreyn: sudo ls -lh /var/log/  outut >>>  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XfSCC8Rzfp/
[01:07] <someone_> tomreyn what do you think ?
[01:09] <cim209> hello, i upgraded from 16 to 18 and now my wifi drops overnight
[01:09] <tomreyn> someone_: kern.log and syslog are unsually large
[01:10] <tomreyn> someone_: run tail against them.
[01:10] <someone_> what is the tail ? and how I run it ?
[01:11] <cim209> tail -f /path/to/log
[01:11] <tomreyn> someone_: sudo tail /var/log/syslog
[01:11] <guiverc> sl4ck: https://askubuntu.com/questions/97196/how-secure-is-an-encrypted-luks-filesystem  maybe helpful
[01:11] <tomreyn> someone_: or just "dmesg -w", it'll probably show the same
[01:12] <someone_> and what does it do?
[01:12] <someone_> removing files ?
[01:12] <tomreyn> someone_: do you know what man pages are, yet?
[01:14] <tomreyn> someone_: you can install the "man-db" package, then run "man somecommand" and it will show you the manual for this command.
[01:14] <tomreyn> the same content is also available at http://manpages.ubuntu.com/
[01:15] <someone_> now if I execute this command  sudo tail /var/log/syslog What will happen?
[01:16] <tomreyn> someone_: the tail command will print the last 10 lines of the given file to standard output.
[01:16] <someone_> ok
[01:16] <tomreyn> running "man tail" or "tail --help" would also have told you so
[01:19] <SnoopyDoggy> %c
[01:19] <someone_> tomreyn "sudo tail /var/log/syslog" output >> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YxQhfXrp78/
[01:22] <tomreyn> someone_: so apparently you have two types of outputs which keep repeating. the one on the bottom which repeated 55 times is not an immediate problem since the system logger realized they keep repeating and created this summary. the ones on top are maybe more of an issue.
[01:23] <someone_> ok
[01:23] <tomreyn> someone_: to verifiy it'S these types of messages which 'spam' your log, i suggest you run (and keep running) "dmesg -w" on a separate temrinal window. that's a 'live feed' from the kernel logging daemon, you'll see which messages are mostly generated / logged.
[01:24] <someone_> ok
[01:24] <tomreyn> such 'log spam' should not happen, it is an indication of a malfunction or bad configuration. you should therefore do a web search for these messages and see if others have found a way to get rid of them, reduce them, or, better yet, to identify and handle the issue which causes them to be printed.
[01:25] <someone_> tomreyn  What is the reason ?
[01:26] <tomreyn> someone_: the reason for what?
[01:26] <someone_> for this problem
[01:27] <tomreyn> i have not researched it. i suggest you do what i just explained.
[01:28] <tomreyn> if you get stuck, tell us where you're getting stuck, and someone who feels ike they can will suggest a way forward.
[01:28] <someone_> tomreyn OK, if I delete the largest file which is 2.5 GB in folder log, Is there any problem will happen ?
[01:30] <tomreyn> someone_: it will likely cause the system logging daemon to be no longer able to log. and it wouldn't solve the underlying issue.
[01:30] <someone_> tomreyn Ok , Thank you so much .
[01:31] <tomreyn> you'Re welcome. i'll be happy to help you more, if i'll see you meking effrorts to examine this issue yourself.
[01:31] <fib3r> hey guys i was wondering how could i make my ip static... like keep the same one all the time
[01:32] <someone_> Thanks Tom.
[01:32] <tomreyn> fib3r: which ip would that be?
[01:32] <fib3r> i use a router ip
[01:32] <fib3r> id like to keep 192.168.1.whatever the same
[01:33] <tomreyn> does your router do dhcp for you?
[01:33] <fib3r> yea but i know theres a way to keep it perm on the server itself
[01:34] <tomreyn> you can do static ip address assignments via dhcp, not every SOHO router supports it, but many do.
[01:34] <tomreyn> this is usually the better option since you can then still manage it centrally.
[01:35] <tomreyn> the other option is to configure a static ip address on the computers on the LAN (which the router usually does dhcp for). but then you'll need to make sure to pick addresses outside of the range the router will use for dhcp assignment.
[01:36] <tomreyn> ...so as to prevent ip address clashes.
[01:36] <srto> sl4
[01:38] <fib3r> tired of changing my ports ip all the time lol
[01:39] <tomreyn> fib3r: is this related to preferring one ofver the other of these methods?
[01:39] <fib3r> yea cause i have ports open so i can login :)
[01:39] <abdulhakeem> Anyone using the Nextcloud snap package on their server: Where is actual data directory?
[01:41] <tomreyn> fib3r:whether you'll do static ip address assignment by the router or on the systems themselves won't change whether or not you still need to maintain port forwarding rules on the router (you'll still need to do so).
[01:42] <fib3r> You cant do router static ips
[01:44] <tomreyn> fib3r: you mean your router does not support it?
[01:46] <Dan0maN_bncr> hi all.  i've got this anonymous vpn service i use where their openvpn is giving me issues, and their support is ever worse.  i had this working on my ubiquiti edgerouter, and then on my centos7 laptop and it stopped working.  their support claims that they only 'support' debian and ubuntu
[01:46] <Dan0maN_bncr> so i figured i would download ubuntu and give their instructions a try.  however, when trying to install the packages in their instruction, it is failing as if the packages have been obsoleted
[01:47] <Dan0maN_bncr> i'm wondering what version do you think these guys think they support:  https://support.goldenfrog.website/hc/en-us/articles/360004948872-VyprVPN-OpenVPN-Setup-for-Linux-Ubuntu-
[01:48] <tomreyn> Dan0maN_bncr: "This tutorial was created using Ubuntu 16.04.1"
[01:48] <lotuspsychje> Dan0maN_bncr: whats your ubuntu version mate?
[01:48] <Dan0maN_bncr> jeeze.  thank you tomreyn.  i looked right over that line.  lotuspsychje, i just downloaded the latest 18 from the download site
[01:48] <Dan0maN_bncr> i'll go try to hunt down a 16 to try
[01:49] <lotuspsychje> Dan0maN_bncr: wait
[01:49] <Dan0maN_bncr> k
[01:49] <lotuspsychje> Dan0maN_bncr: 16.04.1 is older already
[01:49] <fib3r> i set it for 19 and didnt work
[01:49] <Dan0maN_bncr> yeah, but i'm just testing their vpn instructions
[01:49] <fib3r> still assigned random ip
[01:50] <lotuspsychje> Dan0maN_bncr: check this out: https://linuxconfig.org/simple-openvpn-connection-setup-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[01:50] <Dan0maN_bncr> it used to work from two other systems, and now i'm getting an openvpn auth failure from the service.  i've done everything i can think of, including changing my password, but they won't work with me until i get an OS they 'support'
[01:50] <lotuspsychje> Dan0maN_bncr: lets put it this way, if a vpn business does not give support for recent ubuntu versions, something fishy is going on, dont you think?
[01:51] <Dan0maN_bncr> lotuspsychje: understood.  but judging by the potato they have working the live chat, they may just not be that well versed in the ways of linux
[01:52] <Dan0maN_bncr> looks like most of their stuff is for windows-based tools
[01:52] <tomreyn> personally i'd actually continue to try to reproduce things as closely to their guides as possible, and then, if it works out, extrapolate from there.
[01:53] <Dan0maN_bncr> but since that ass-hat kept trying to hang up the session with me because i was using centos, i figured i would do just what tomreyn is stating
[01:53] <lotuspsychje> Dan0maN_bncr: at #ubuntu here, we also advice to keep your system up to date as possible, as solid base, you can work from that
[01:53] <Dan0maN_bncr> lotuspsychje: understood.  thank you for the assistance
[01:53] <fib3r> some how my root pass is different
[01:53] <fib3r> but sudo works lol
[01:54] <lotuspsychje> Dan0maN_bncr: 16.04 is still supported, so im sure 16.04.5 up to date would work with your tutorial aswell
[01:55] <tomreyn> fib3r: by default, the root account does not have a password set on ubuntu
[01:55] <fib3r> oh? okay
[01:55] <tomreyn> fib3r: which means you can only sudo, and not login as root directly
[01:55] <tomreyn> (and this is on purpose)
[01:56] <Dan0maN_bncr> yeah.  i'm not going to search for the .1 version.  .5 should be close enough to them
[01:56] <fib3r> yea, its just behind my firewall :)
[01:56] <lotuspsychje> Dan0maN_bncr: would not advice that either, as alot of !usn security flaws exist from then
[01:59] <Gimmel> Hi all, I'm working on trying enable Google Authenticator for Ubuntu logins. I can get *either* lightdm working *or* general (such as sudo). If I change pam.d/lightdm - lightdm works. But if I then change pam.d/common-auth it breaks lightdm login. I've already moved the .google-authority file to outside the encrypted home file. It seems adding the line in common-auth makes lightdm try and authenticate
[01:59] <Gimmel> twice?
[02:01] <Gimmel> Hi all, I'm working on trying enable Google Authenticator for Ubuntu logins. I can get *either* lightdm working *or* general (such as sudo). If I change pam.d/lightdm - lightdm works. But if I then change pam.d/common-auth it breaks lightdm login. I've already moved the .google-authority file to outside the encrypted home file. It seems adding the line in common-auth makes lightdm try and authenticate
[02:01] <Gimmel> twice?
[02:24] <HaMsTeRs> have anyone here successfully install ubuntu on USB and boot from surface pro 2017?
[02:41] <Dan0maN_bncr> okay.  i'm back.  tried the instructions with the 16.04.5 live (try me).  i get failure on both of the network-manager-openvpn and network-manager-openvpn-gnome packages.  says there is no installation candidate for them
[02:45] <tomreyn> !info network-manager-openvpn xenial
[02:45] <tomreyn> !info network-manager-openvpn-gnome xenial
[02:45] <tomreyn> Dan0maN_bncr: this bot seems to differ, and so would https://packages.ubuntu.com
[02:46] <tomreyn> maybe you don't have the right sections activated in apt
[02:46] <Dan0maN_bncr> k.  ty.  is this a repository that i need to install?  (sorry, i'm used to EL, not apt or dpkg installs)
[02:46] <tomreyn> !repos
[02:47] <tomreyn> you probably want to activate the 'universe' component
[02:48] <Avion> kg all + re beards.  https://www.fatherly.com/health-science/science-of-what-beards-mean/amp/
[02:48] <Avion> sorry wrong place
[02:53] <Dan0maN_bncr> thanks again for that, tomreyn.  got em installed.  now back to trying their instructions
[03:14] <jwash> hi everyone, i want to use virt-manager with a custom port 7654 rather than 22 via ssh. for an ssh example it would be 'ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-p 7654'.  How do I enter the host with a custom port when I make a new SSH connection with virt-manager
[03:22] <lotuspsychje> jwash: take a look at the #openssh channel, they are used to this
[03:24] <tomreyn> jwash: https://libvirt.org/remote.html#Remote_URI_reference
[03:27] <jwash> tomreyn +1, that was perfect
[03:27] <jwash> many thanks
[03:27] <tomreyn> welcome
[03:28] <cim209> tomreyn, do you know why ubuntu doesn't charge my iphone? i have to run this command every single time "sudo usbmuxd -u -U usbmux"
[03:29] <tomreyn> cim209: no idea, i'm not personally into iphones.
[03:31] <cim209> ok no problem
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> cim209: did you try other ports?
[03:33] <cim209> lotuspsychje, i only got 3 ports and all are taken
[03:33] <cim209> i could switch them around and see if it'll fix the issue
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> cim209: while you do that, please open a tail -f /var/log/syslog
[03:35] <cim209> ok hold on
[03:38] <cim209> lotuspsychje, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BTdDxyxV7h/
[03:38] <cim209> looks like it charges fine when no other usb is plugged in
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> cim209: power issue?
[03:39] <cim209> this is an old 2007 imac i'm using
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> cim209: cool on 18.04?
[03:39] <cim209> ya
[03:40] <lotuspsychje> !mac | cim209 have a look here perhaps youl find some bug on it
[03:40] <cim209> https://imgur.com/sDo6Dye
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> cim209: do you have an usb 3 port somewhere you can test?
[03:42] <lotuspsychje> cim209: i would also reccomend, charging a phone from the net power instead of your computer
[03:42] <cim209> not sure if this one would have a usb 3
[03:42] <cim209> yeah looks like i gotta use an actual power outlet
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> cim209: phone usb to pc, i would reccomend for sync or data moves only
[03:46] <cim209> lotuspsychje, well i still would have to run a command for ubuntu to connect to it
[04:03] <jayse> So I have just installed ubuntu and I am getting something that I have not found how to fix/change. It gave me a message that there was low disk space on the efi partition but when I try to examine it, it cannot load.
[04:03] <jayse> How can I fix this? if anyone has a clue
[04:36] <HaMsTeRs> I found that using "nmap -PS22,80 <IP_ADDRESS>" is scanning all ports instead of specified port 22 and 80 (according to wireshark).  Am I missing anything?
[04:43] <moses> if I boot into a cloud based droplet that I dont own, I wouldnt have access to the efibootmgr command correct?
[05:05] <HaMsTeRs> anyone know what's the best position to use laptop on bed?.  just browse around with my laptop.  Suppose a position will stay for more than 3-5 hours
[05:07] <HaMsTeRs> draw me a picture of the position would be appreciate
[05:07] <Genius-> Hello, im having trouble installing Pango, it says
[05:07] <Genius-> configure: error: *** Could not enable any backends.
[05:07] <Genius-> i did whereis cairo - cairo: /usr/local/lib/cairo /usr/include/cairo
[05:08] <Genius-> and did ./configure --with-cairo
[05:08] <Genius-> no results :/
[05:21] <compact> hey all. i have some zip files i can unzip on the server, but if I transfer the zip to another server - i cannot unzip it?
[05:21] <compact> 15596 extra bytes at beginning or within zipfile
[05:21] <compact>   (attempting to process anyway)
[05:37] <enzotib> compact, how do you transfer? they are identical before and after the trasfer (check the md5 checksum, for example)?
[05:56] <geirha> perhaps you transfered it with ftp and forgot to enable binary mode?
[06:07] <stevecam> would anyone recommend 18.10 for general use as of yet?
[06:07] <stevecam> system is a little broken and i was going to reinstall and i dont really want to hold it off by another month
[06:07] <geirha> No, but the right channel to ask is #ubuntu+1
[06:08] <stevecam> thank you
[06:09] <Boyette> .
[06:09] <stevecam> Boyette, hello
[06:09] <Boyette> hi steve
[06:38] <Bravehand> Hi everyone, what is a good system diagnostic for Ubuntu (builtin or otherwise)
[06:39] <Bravehand> regarding my previous message. I mean to ask System diagnostics software..
[07:09] <codyboo> hi
[07:10] <codyboo> How can I update my ubuntu via terminal in a safe way?
[07:12] <guiverc> codyboo: `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade` will update repository lists, then do a full-upgrade of software (keeping you on the same release) - if this is what you mean, and second command runs only if first had no issues..
[07:13] <codyboo> sudo apt-get update
[07:13] <codyboo> sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:13] <codyboo> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:14] <codyboo> oh sorry for floo. I thought it was one line.... how about that one? shall I hit dist-upgrade to clean unused files after?
[07:15] <guiverc> apt-get dist-upgrade ~= apt full-upgrade (ie. very close to the same command; apt is a newer version of apt-get; you can use dist-upgrade too for those whose fingers are slower to adjust to change..)
[07:16] <guiverc> update only updates your software lists; doesn't upgrade any software.  upgrade updates your system within limited rules (skipping some upgrades), dist-upgrade or full-upgrade perform all upgrades for the system
[07:16] <codyboo> sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[07:16] <codyboo> like that?
[07:17] <codyboo> fghdh
[07:17] <guiverc> use one of `apt full-upgrade` or `apt-get|apt dist-upgrade` , they are altneratives to the same thing... if you read `man apt` doco, dist-upgrade isn't there, it's called full-upgrade (but dist-upgrade still works)
[07:19] <codyboo> sudo apt update && sudo apt-get|apt dist-upgrade
[07:19] <codyboo> should look like this than?
[07:19] <guiverc> sorry - i meant either apt-get OR apt... ; not to use | in the command
[07:19] <guiverc> `sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade`
[07:20] <codyboo> ok. RUnned
[07:22] <codyboo> This error coming up https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/b9zys6sSTh/
[07:23] <EriC^^> codyboo: there's a problem with the virtualbox repo, they'll probably fix it soon
[07:23] <codyboo> how can I skip that update and do the rest?
[07:24] <EriC^^> it is doing the rest
[07:25] <guiverc> codyboo: because you used the &&  (I used it, so you probably copied), the subsequent command (what followed the &&) wasn't executed - just type in `sudo apt dist-upgrade`
[07:25] <EriC^^> ah, i just joined nevermind
[07:25] <guiverc> if you used `sudo apt update; sudo apt dist-upgrade` (; instead of &&) the second command (after ;) would have executed regardless of results of first command
[07:27] <codyboo> guiverc yeah now it's updating wihtout stucking to that firs update problem with virtual box
[07:28] <codyboo> thank you
[07:28] <codyboo> it was stucking like that https://prnt.sc/ksl1mh
[07:50] <Boyette> .
[07:50] <mauroc> Good morning guys, I have a problem with the hdmi output. How can I discover for external monitor?
[07:57] <dbugger> Hello everyone
[07:58] <dbugger> I have an issue with the netword. All my colleages can reach internally stores services like bitbucket, simply typing "http://bitbucket:7999", but I cannot. Why could it be? I have already configured my netplan with the right nameserver...
[07:59] <ikonia> why are you using netplan ?
[07:59] <ikonia> the box should boot - get an IP and dns server and gateway, boom you're working
[07:59] <dbugger> ikonia, I was also not sure what to use
[07:59] <ikonia> netplan is for defining a network, you sound like you're already on a network
[07:59] <dbugger> ikonia, so should I delete the configuration I wrote for netplan?
[08:00] <ikonia> what version of ubuntu are you using ?
[08:00] <dbugger> Im on 18.04
[08:00] <ikonia> and are you just using a desktop build as part of an existing network ?
[08:00] <dbugger> A desktop build? Not sure what you mean
[08:01] <ikonia> ubuntu desktop - standard build, part of an existing network
[08:01] <dbugger> Are you asking me if I am using Ubuntu Desktop or Ubuntu Server?
[08:01] <dbugger> Im using desktop
[08:01] <ikonia> and you're using a dhcp network ?
[08:01] <dbugger> mmm, not sure about that... how can i find out?
[08:02] <dbugger> brb 10 min
[08:03] <dbugger> ah no
[08:03] <dbugger> I dont have to go :)
[08:03] <dbugger> @ikonia, im still here
[08:18] <Dabuti> Hi guys, I've just installed ubuntu 18 and trying to install the package lm-sensors it says package not found, can somebody help me adding the needed source to apt ?
[08:18] <Fleuv> Hi, I'm working on a jax web service and got stuck at the POST request when sending a post request with json data to it, it returns with method not allowed. I'm pretty sure I've got everything setup right. Please have a look: https://github.com/LSVH/hbo-ict-tosad/blob/master/src/main/java/edu/hu/tosad/DefineBusinessRuleService.java#L177
[08:18] <EriC^^> !info lm-sensors
[08:19] <EriC^^> Dabuti: sudo add-apt-repository universe && sudo apt-get update then install it
[08:19] <Dabuti> Thank you EriC^^!
[08:19] <EriC^^> no problem
[08:20] <Fleuv> Whoops I mean it returns with the error: Unsupported Media Type
[08:25] <sentiment> hello. I live in Iran. As of yesterday, I can no more download packages from this mirror : http://mirror.aminidc.com/
[08:25] <sentiment> has it been blocked because of sanctions?
[08:26] <sentiment> because I can access it using a VPN
[08:36] <Fleuv> Aah I've found the problem, a empty constructor at the POJO/DTO was missing.
[08:37] <guiverc> sentiment: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors shows it's one day behind  (amin IDC), but nothing else that I can see (note: i know nothing about blocking sorry)
[08:39] <sentiment> guiverc: what does ign mean in apt update messages?
[08:40] <sentiment> that mirror returns ign messages
[08:41] <sentiment> ppa.launchpad.net mirrors also the same story.
[08:43] <EriC^^> sentiment: it means it's been ignored
[08:43] <guiverc> ign=ignore, no changes in pdiff index, so it doesn't waste bandwidth grabbing index again (uses current ones)
[08:47] <aqd> guys what console browser should I use these days? links pop a lot of js errors now, even from google
[08:48] <lotus|NUC> !info links2 | aqd
[08:48] <aqd> OH thanks :)
[08:51] <mementomori> hi
[08:52] <lotus|NUC> mementomori: welcome, what can we do for you?
[08:52] <mementomori> how can I prevent journalctl to display logs from auditd?
[09:02] <blackflow> mementomori: journalctl has various filtering options, check the manpage, eg. options -u and -t . afaik it has no ability to do "negative" filtering, so you might need to run that through grep
[09:03] <mementomori> blackflow, I usually pipe journalctl output to "grep -v audit"
[09:04] <mementomori> blackflow, but i'd like auditd's logs to be present only in /var/log/audit
[09:05] <mementomori> blackflow, I'm trying to disable auditd'd logs from rsyslog. Do you think it'll work?
[09:06] <blackflow> mementomori: the journal always logs everything on input, so I guess you'd have to configure auditd not to log to syslog.
[09:08] <mementomori> blackflow, I've not found anything related to disabling syslog in auditd's docs. Do you have any hint?
[09:15] <superdreamkilla> on a fresh install of lubuntu, the colors on my laptop lcd are all washed out. why?
[09:17] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: old machine?
[09:18] <superdreamkilla> 2006
[09:18] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: wich lubuntu version please?
[09:18] <superdreamkilla> 18.04
[09:18] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: up to date to latest also?
[09:19] <superdreamkilla> yes
[09:19] <superdreamkilla> macbook pro 1,1
[09:19] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: ok great, lets have a look at your graphics card & driver: sudo lshw -C video
[09:21] <superdreamkilla> description: VGA compatible controller
[09:21] <superdreamkilla>        product: RV530/M56-P [Mobility Radeon X1600]
[09:21] <superdreamkilla>        vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
[09:21] <superdreamkilla> capabilities: pm pciexpress msi vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
[09:21] <superdreamkilla>        configuration: driver=radeon latency=0
[09:22] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: seems recognized & driver loaded
[09:22] <superdreamkilla> yup
[09:22] <superdreamkilla> that was a big pain by the way
[09:22] <mementomori> auditd is not writing logs to syslog (checked reading /var/log/syslog manually).  So there must be something telling journalctl to read from /var/log/audit/audit.log
[09:22] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: what do you mean, what did you do?
[09:23] <superdreamkilla> so I had been using it without the driver at first, and it had the same washed out look
[09:24] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: what did you do then?
[09:24] <superdreamkilla> https://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel
[09:25] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: thats for debian, did you install drivers yourself or something?
[09:25] <superdreamkilla> based on info in that link, i booted from lilo instead of grub 2, in order to get the radeon driver to load
[09:26] <lotus|NUC> !mac | superdreamkilla
[09:26] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: radeon should normally work by default
[09:27] <superdreamkilla> no
[09:27] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: have you tested this on ubuntu 16.04?
[09:27] <lotus|NUC> or lubuntu
[09:27] <superdreamkilla> this is major issue for people with old macs ive discovered, and something that needs to be advertised better
[09:28] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: our mac wiki is recently refreshed..
[09:28] <superdreamkilla> never got 16.04
[09:28] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: i recently tested some old macs with 18.04 ubuntu and they worked nicely
[09:29] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: could you try a liveusb ubuntu-desktop just as a test please?
[09:29] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: so we can rule out if its a lubuntu issue or not
[09:30] <superdreamkilla> that's another issue. i locked up my usb stick following instructions for creating a bootable lubuntu image on mac
[09:31] <superdreamkilla> now I can't format or erase or do anything with it. gparted crashes with it
[09:32] <superdreamkilla> as for ubuntu versus lubuntu, the issue is booting in efi versus bios mode.
[09:33] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: make a new one from ubuntu image creator
[09:33] <superdreamkilla> and actually, I did already test ubuntu, because I installed it from the mini.iso, and then installed lubuntu-desktop over it
[09:36] <superdreamkilla> the issue was present in both
[09:37] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: ubuntu 18.04 has no minimal option in the setup itself
[09:37] <lotus|NUC> now
[09:37] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: can you hastebin your dmesg please?
[09:38] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: lets have a look what happens to radeon
[09:38] <superdreamkilla> yes
[09:39] <superdreamkilla> https://pastebin.com/Uugq0acf
[09:45] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: i dont see anything too unusual
[09:46] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: have you tested another Os to check if its ubuntu alone or not?
[09:46] <superdreamkilla> snow leopard is bright and glossy
[09:46] <lotus|NUC> allrighty
[09:46] <superdreamkilla> so are windows xp, windows 7, netbsd
[09:46] <lotus|NUC> ok
[09:48] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: perhaps also test a !nomodeset
[09:48] <superdreamkilla> that's how I was able to get it to boot initially when I had the problem of the radeon driver not being able to load
[09:49] <superdreamkilla> it was the same
[09:49] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: ok, then a 16.04 test would be usefull, if that doesnt work id advice creating a new !bug for your issue
[09:50] <superdreamkilla> i am downloading an ubuntu 16.04 right now, and will attempt to put it on my usb stick which seems to be locked up
[09:51] <Boyette> .
[09:51] <superdreamkilla> i was wondering if it's possible that an xorg profile was created automatically with some weird color settings on account of not having a graphics driver initially
[09:51] <superdreamkilla> or something to that effect
[09:54] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: i more suspect kernel issue on your case
[09:54] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: the 16.04 might prove it
[09:59] <superdreamkilla> Could not write the disk image
[10:00] <superdreamkilla> from the ubuntu image creator
[10:01] <superdreamkilla> tried many things already, always different errors
[10:02] <superdreamkilla> https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-boot-a-linux-live-usb-stick-on-your-mac/
[10:02] <superdreamkilla> that's the tutorial that I followed that messed it up, method 2,
[10:04] <superdreamkilla> it has lubuntu 18.04 on it and can successfully boot, i just can't format, erase, or view the contents on any os other than linux
[10:05] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: you could test a few other things, like installing unity or xubuntu from your existing install
[10:05] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: this washed out screen, does it start right from grub boot, or after login?
[10:06] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:06] <superdreamkilla> i'm booting from lilo not grub2, and I don't know how the colors are supposed to look. The wash out effect is not severe.
[10:08] <superdreamkilla> If i boot from grub2 I have to use nomodeset, and the font and colors change slightly halfway into the loading
[10:08] <lotus|NUC> superdreamkilla: i have to go for lunch right now, try that 16.04 and if that doesnt work, !bug ok
[10:10] <superdreamkilla> okay, well I'll write back if I come up with anything, but this usb issue is taking up a lot of time right now
[10:34] <aqd> why are there many examples of bash multiline string using $(cat ... etc?
[10:34] <aqd> dont single-quote and double-quite just work with multiline strings??
[10:38] <funda3> Hi, is there a ppa for getting the latest stable kernel on 18.04?
[10:42] <ducasse> funda3: no ppa as such, np. there are the mainline kernels, but those are unsupported and only intended for testing. some things won't work with them.
[10:42] <ducasse> aqd: try asking in #bash
[10:43] <XB23> Hey all can I get a networking issue help, its not really linux but basically when I plug a pc on my network, the ethernet light on my switch goes nuts, all of a sudden my internet stops on all pcs on the network, new pcs cant get IP's from DHCP .. the network pretty much jams up .. I unplug this desktop and all goes quick and works perfectly ... the odd thing is that desktop is actually turned off! .. any ideas?
[10:43] <funda3> ducasse: which ppa would i use for latest stable mainline kernels? what might not work?
[10:44] <ducasse> funda3: it's not a ppa, you need to download them manually. things like lxc/lxd and i think snaps don't work, due to lacking ubuntu patches.
[10:44] <the-noob1> XB23: broken network card ? wiring issues with the cable ?
[10:45] <saurabhs_> funda3, you can try this, https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/install-linux-kernel-4-7-2-ubuntu-16-04, but I'm noob with linux, so I'm not sure if this will work
[10:45] <ducasse> !mainline | funda3
[10:45] <XB23> the-noob1: cheers, confusing how its doing it even when that PC is turned off
[10:45] <XB23> Wiring is fine, if i use that cable on another pc all is fine
[10:46] <ducasse> XB23: try ##networking, not an ubuntu issue
[10:46] <XB23> Ah thanks ducasse
[10:46] <XB23> :)
[10:48] <funda3> ducasse: thanks, !mainline is what i was looking for
[10:50] <ducasse> funda3: you won't get support here with them
[10:54] <the-noob1> XB23: if something went wrong with the NIC it might be that it creates a loop or such, even when powered off (obviously a very 'wtf' case)
[10:55] <funda3> ducasse: more options in grub is fine by me
[10:55] <Triffid_Hunter> XB23: sounds like you're confused about your cable and you're actually plugging one cable into your switch/router twice
[10:55] <Triffid_Hunter> XB23: because that's *exactly* what happens when you plug a switch/router into itself
[10:55] <ducasse> funda3: also remember you need to update it yourself
[10:56] <XB23> Triffid_Hunter: no mate, 100% not that but yeh it does sound exactly like that
[10:58] <funda3> ducasse: i might have to write a script for that
[11:00] <ducasse> funda3: that's a possibility, sure
[11:27] <perdent> I  need to connect a fibre lead to a Cisco SAN switch  - the device is deck EMC ESX gist (no the of model) The port is an HBA: This is the reverse of the server: https://i.imgur.com/hQlhHii.png
[11:29] <ducasse> perdent: wrong channel?
[12:28] <dimm> hello, All! What can be core of issue? When i boot in ubuntu 18.04 then cd-tray is opening.
[12:42] <mort> Is it possible to install old versions of packages (like clang 3.8) in ubuntu 18.04?
[13:15] <BluesKaj> mort, don't mix packages/repos , it's bad practice
[13:16] <mort> BluesKaj: doesn't have to be the actual `clang` package, it could be a separate `clang-3.8` package
[13:18] <pragmaticenigma> mort: It isn't recommended to use older versions of any program in your primary system. Is there a particular reason for needing the older version?
[13:19] <mort> pragmaticenigma: fixing issues with compiling software I'm writing with older compilers
[13:20] <plebuser> hey i just started my first programming course. cant find a detailed explanation of "root-partition"
[13:20] <pragmaticenigma> mort: Recommendation is to then install it manually, make sure you DO NOT run the "make install".
[13:20] <mort> for example, I just had travis-ci fail a build because clang-3.8 gives a warning about something my ubuntu system's clang (version 6) doesn't give a warning about
[13:20] <pragmaticenigma> mort: That is a terrible reason to use an older version
[13:20] <mort> why's that?
[13:21] <mort> in Arch, I could've just installed the clang38 package and run `CC=clang38 make`
[13:21] <pragmaticenigma> mort: that warning is being issued for a reason. Since I don't know what the warning is, I couldn't tell you how severe it is. But in short, Fix the code, not the compiler
[13:22] <mort> pragmaticenigma: using the older compiler would be exactly to make sure the issue is fixed without having to push a commit which _might_ fix the issue and look at what travis-ci says about it
[13:23] <mort> remember, the warning is in the older compiler; I was aiming to fix something which the newer system compiler doesn't warn about, but which older clang versions did complain about
[13:23] <pragmaticenigma> Sorry, I misunderstood and thought it was the other way round
[13:25] <pragmaticenigma> mort: I will propose that this might be a better question asked in ##programming though. They're going to be more familiar with running and installing older compilers. This channel, we primarily focus support on what is provided in the Ubuntu software repositories.
[13:27] <[twisti]> how can i make apt-get stop producing the 'reading database' spam ? im forwarding the output to log files and it makes them noisy
[13:28] <hateball> [twisti]: pipe to grep or sed?
[13:28] <therealtbe> ubuntu 18.04;   want to run vnc server;  installed realvnc-vnc-server;  connect remotely works but only shows grey screen;  please advise
[13:28] <pragmaticenigma> [twisti]: Look at "man apt-get" ... The -q option:  produces output suitable for logging,
[13:29] <hateball> even better than my suggestion :)
[13:29] <[twisti]> pragmaticenigma: i already tried that, it still produces the spam, and i dont want to use -qq, because i still want to know what its doing in general
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> [twisti]: are you apt-get manually or did you add it to cron?
[13:30] <[twisti]> neither, im running it as part of a Dockerfile
[13:30] <pragmaticenigma> therealtbe: Check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers ... realvnc is not a supported program on this channel.
[13:31] <therealtbe> what about vino?  it used to work so nicely
[13:31] <pragmaticenigma> therealtbe: The answers you need are in that article. Please read it
[13:31] <therealtbe> why did this become crazy complicated in 18.04 when it used to be super easy
[13:32] <pragmaticenigma> therealtbe: Why are you refusing to read a rather simple and straight forward article. Depending on the option you choose, it requires about 2-3 commands.
[13:33] <therealtbe> yeah I have already read this, and implemented the vino option and the realvnc-vnc-server and the tightvncserver option.  it just gives a grey screen
[13:33] <pragmaticenigma> therealtbe: realvnc isn't supported...
[13:33] <therealtbe> I can start the vnc server, set the pw,  and I can connect to it remotely using vncviewer
[13:33] <pragmaticenigma> therealtbe: Do you have an active session on the remote machine prior to logging in?
[13:34] <therealtbe> yep
[13:34] <pragmaticenigma> [twisti]: short of using grep to filter out what you don't want, I don't see a built in option.
[13:35] <pragmaticenigma> therealtbe: Explain your setup, and what you did to set up VNC.. .because if you followed that article, it would be working
[13:35] <pragmaticenigma> therealtbe: I know the directions in that article work, because I followed them with x11vnc and things work great for me
[13:35] <therealtbe> pragmaticenigma   ok I will start over and try the x11vnc option
[13:35] <therealtbe> i've tried so many things at this point it's probably all messed up
[13:35] <[twisti]> thanks
[13:42] <Boyette> .
[14:03] <lectus> Hi! My fresh Ubuntu 18.04 is using too much RAM. I have 4GB of RAM and it's already using SWAP. Any ideas?
[14:04] <ducasse> lectus: which desktop?
[14:04] <tarzeau> i guess gnome-shell. X or wayland?
[14:05] <lectus> Gnome
[14:05] <tarzeau> which video drivers? nvidia or nouveau or something different?
[14:05] <lectus> default Ubuntu installation
[14:05] <ducasse> lectus: gnome eats ram for breakfast
[14:05] <lectus> X
[14:05] <tarzeau> install zram-config and hope to have more time until it SWAPs
[14:06] <tarzeau> i'm having similar issues with 8 gb memory. with 18.04 as well as 18.10...
[14:06] <luna> https://i.imgur.com/SvRYywG.jpg :(
[14:06] <tarzeau> using wmaker or amiwm as window manager
[14:09] <lectus> tarzeau: default video driver... using intel integrated card
[14:12] <bounty> Hi, I am new to Ubuntu, and I am trying to install battle.net, I have to do this with Wine and Lutris, and it worked, I installed the battle.net on my HDD, but I want to instal the actual games on my SSD, however, I can't create any folders in my SSD folder. could it be because there is only 1 partition with the Linux folder included?
[14:12] <bounty> If so, can I run a live-mode to make a partition for my other files
[14:24] <Triffid_Hunter> bounty: no need for messing with partitions, what do you mean by can't make folders on your SSD?
[14:39] <halvors> Hi. I've installed ubuntu server and it doesn't add apt repositories like before, only the "main" one.
[14:40] <ducasse> halvors: that's a known bug, it's been fixed aiui
[14:40] <halvors> Anyone knows how to fix this?
[14:41] <halvors> ducasse: aiui?
[14:41] <ducasse> halvors: add the repos yourself, manually or use apt-add-repository
[14:41] <ducasse> halvors: "as i understand it"
[14:41] <pmted> halvors: As I Understand It, aiui
[14:41] <capella> tyvm
[14:42] <capella> ah, wrong tab
[14:49] <agowa338> Hi, just updated a few servers from "16.04.5 LTS" to "18.04.1 LTS" and now I've a very strange problem. There are 4 servers running the same software, but after the do-release-upgrade the software fails on of these servers to start. The problem is somehow "Type=forking" in systemd unit files does not seam to work, if I replace it with "Type=simple" and also add a parameter to the software to not fork, What can I do to fix this?
[14:52] <halvors> pmted: ducasse: Thanks, but will the file from before be generated when a new package fixing this bug is released?
[14:53] <ducasse> halvors: the fix is not in a package, but the install image
[14:55] <halvors> ducasse: So i'll have to reinstall?
[14:55] <halvors> Is this bug only in the 18.04.1 image?
[14:55] <ducasse> halvors: you can just fix the file, as i said earlier. it's a simple fix.
[14:56] <ducasse> halvors: 18.04 and 18.04.1
[14:56] <chaosfisch> Is there a way to reset all cgroups to default?
[14:56] <ducasse> halvors: the fix will be in 18.04.2, i assume
[15:02] <halvors> ducasse: Thanks.
[15:09] <Genius-> Hello
[15:10] <Genius-> I have Ubuntu linux, and i have my laptop connected to a monitor
[15:10] <Genius-> But why is the desktop on the monitor different than the laptop itself ? it's like im on 2 laptops how to fix
[15:11] <leftyfb> Genius-: it's more likely and extended desktop. Look at your display settings and changed to mirrored if that's what you're looking to do
[15:12] <leftyfb> Genius-: also helps to mention what version of ubuntu you're running
[15:12] <Genius-> 4.15
[15:13] <leftyfb> Genius-: 4.15 is not a version of ubuntu. That sounds like the kernel. Run: cat /etc/issue
[15:14] <Genius-> Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS \n \l
[15:16] <Shabbysheik> Genius-: Go to Settings --> Displays and choose mirror
[15:20] <Genius-> how to open settings from terminal ?
[15:21] <ioria> Genius-, gnome-control-center
[15:22] <Genius-> its open but nothing there
[15:22] <Genius-> white
[15:22] <ioria> Genius-, white ?
[15:23] <Genius-> yes it opened but showing nothing but the word Devices but nothing happens
[15:24] <ioria> Genius-, share a pic
[15:26] <raub> Feeling dumb with tracepath: if I using it to go to a machine that should be just across a router, shouldn't it look like me-router-other machine?
[15:27] <raub> I am getting a lot of "no reply" after the router, and nothing after that
[15:27] <wad> Fresh install of Ubuntu 18.04. Edited /etc/sudoers.d/wad and apparently made a typo. Can no longer get root. Should I just reinstall? Or is there another way?
[15:28] <leftyfb> wad: mount with a live cd/usb and fix it
[15:28] <leftyfb> or better yet, remove it
[15:28] <wad> Ah, yes. Good idea. Thanks!
[15:29] <wad> It's a little trickier because the partition is encrypted, but still doable.
[15:30] <leftyfb> wad: next time login as root in another terminal while making the change. Log out of the first terminal while still being logged in as root on the other. Login to a fresh terminal and test. If you made a mistake you can fix with the root session
[15:31] <wad> Yep! I'll remember this for next time. Also, I like to set a root password.
[15:31] <moooderyy> Hi. with what proper line I could update my ettercap. It gives me that when I try to update https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VBZ598ryN7/
[15:36] <BlackDex> Hello. I have an ubuntu 16.04 desktop which hasn't been updated in a long while. and now i'm trying to upgrade to the latest packages, but it hangs on "Setting up apt (1.2.27)"
[15:37] <ChaiTRex> BlackDex: How long has it been hung?
[15:37] <ioria> moooderyy, no idea why you still have the xenial versions on a bionic system; apt -s install --reinstall ettercap-common  ettercap-graphical
[15:37] <BlackDex> like 30min
[15:38] <BlackDex> i tried ctrl+c
[15:38] <ChaiTRex> BlackDex: Is your disk full or anything like that?
[15:38] <BlackDex> no disk is not full
[15:41] <moooderyy> ioria, I run the line you gave me https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/h23V7MzTPM/ but still same "https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/h23V7MzTPM/" message
[15:41] <ChaiTRex> BlackDex: If you pressed Ctrl+C and it's still hung for several minutes after that, wait about an hour, open a new terminal and kill it with `sudo killall -9 apt apt-get`.
[15:42] <ChaiTRex> BlackDex: Then, try to upgrade again. If it gives you lock file errors, delete the lock file mentioned.
[15:42] <BlackDex> did that
[15:42] <BlackDex> i need to do a `dpkg --configure -a` after that
[15:42] <ioria> moooderyy,  apt -s is a simulation ; run   apt -s full-upgrade
[15:42] <BlackDex> i also tried `apt-get dist-upgrade -f`
[15:42] <BlackDex> still the same
[15:42] <moooderyy> ioria, let me try..
[15:42] <BlackDex> ah
[15:43] <moooderyy> ioria, ommand line option 's' [from -s] is not understood in combination with the other options.
[15:43] <ioria> moooderyy,  'apt -s full-upgrade'
[15:44] <moooderyy> ioria, The following packages have been kept back:
[15:44] <moooderyy>   ettercap-common ettercap-graphical
[15:44] <moooderyy> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[15:45] <moooderyy> oh sorry for flood. I thought it was 1 line!
[15:45] <ioria> moooderyy,  sudo apt  full-upgrade
[15:46] <moooderyy> ioria, still: The following packages have been kept back:ettercap-common ettercap-graphical0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[15:46] <BlackDex> ChaiTRex: ok, i saw that it tried to do something during postinst
[15:46] <BlackDex> which started apt-daily-upgrade tigger
[15:47] <BlackDex> which i think will hang because it can't upgrade, because apt is already active
[15:47] <BlackDex> that script doesn't does much, so i put an `exit 0;` on top
[15:47] <BlackDex> run `dpkg --configure apt` and that seemed to did the job
[15:47] <ioria> moooderyy,  ok, but why you got the xenial versions ot those pkgs  ?
[15:48] <ChaiTRex> BlackDex: If something like that happens, I think a bug report might be warranted.
[15:48] <moooderyy> ioria,  I was using xenial... I just upgraded my ubuntu today
[15:49] <moooderyy> ioria, also isn't this list is wierd as I am now upgraded... Is there a way to clean that https://prnt.sc/ksrsw4
[15:49] <moooderyy> Can I just choose them and delete... Is this safe?
[15:50] <ioria> moooderyy,  apt-mark showhold
[15:50] <ChaiTRex> BlackDex: You can see what version of apt you used to have with `sudo fgrep apt /var/log/apt/term.log | fgrep over`
[15:51] <moooderyy> runned: apt-mark showhold
[15:51] <Epx998> Aside from packages and the kernel, is there any difference between minor releases on a version of ubuntu?
[15:57] <moooderyy> ioria, I guess we are end of your suggessions...
[15:58] <rory> I have a script that outputs some data that I want to make available over telnet. Pls just humour me, I really do want to make it available over telnet. This way is kind of working, but is there anything more robust? while true; do bash script.sh | nc -l 23; done
[15:58] <gpunk> netcat ?
[15:58] <rory> that is what I am currently using, yes
[15:58] <ioria> moooderyy,  no output ?
[15:59] <rory> I'm happy to continue using netcat, but this hacky while loop is rubbish because it only supports one client at a time
[15:59] <ioria> Pinky-tumblr,   no output ?
[15:59] <Pinky-tumblr> ioria, No output..
[15:59] <ausjke> after removed a few packages and reboot, my gnome-session-flashback suddently changes, it's now a mix of gnome2 and unity
[15:59] <ioria> Pinky-tumblr,   sudo apt install --reinstall  ettercap-common
[16:00] <ausjke> the dock reappeared under gnome-session-flashback, all my layout etc are modified
[16:00] <ausjke> are those login options(ubuntu,ubuntu-wayland,gnome x.org, gnome, gnome-flashback) are supposed to be isolated?
[16:01] <ausjke> now i spent more time to fight with ubuntu instead of doing the daily work
[16:01] <BlackDex> ChaiTRex: 1.2.27 over 1.2.26 it seems
[16:01] <BlackDex> but i think it has something to do with being in recovery mode
[16:02] <Pinky-tumblr> ioria, "db@dbpc:~$ apt list --upgradable Listing... Done " after your last command
[16:03] <Pinky-tumblr> ioria, is it fine to have these: https://prnt.sc/ksrsw4
[16:05] <ioria> Pinky-tumblr,   they are not checked so are not in use; but if you paste /etc/apt/sources.list is better
[16:06] <Pinky-tumblr> updates looks fine now: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[16:06] <ioria> Pinky-tumblr,  ok, still not getting why this happened
[16:08] <ioria> Pinky-tumblr,  maybe a local repository issue
[16:09] <Pinky-tumblr> ioria, paste that "if you paste /etc/apt/sources.list is better" where?
[16:09] <ioria> Pinky-tumblr,  cat  /etc/apt/sources.list  | pastebinit
[16:10] <Pinky-tumblr> ioria, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8SSq5Wybyn/
[16:12] <ioria> Pinky-tumblr,  looks ok to me
[16:13] <Pinky-tumblr> ioria, thank you so much! have a wonderful day! and good bye
[16:13] <ioria> Pinky-tumblr, np
[16:20] <lotus|NUC> ausjke: explain what you want to achieve?
[16:21] <Sandie> bluetooth turns itself on every time i restart the computer. ethernet only works at 10Mbps how do i fix those things google is very unhelpful
[16:22] <bounty> Does anyone here have experience with installing battle.net or world of warcraft on Ubuntu? I've been trying for hours, watched video's but I can't figure it out....
[16:25] <lotus|NUC> bounty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WorldofWarcraft
[16:25] <bounty> I build my computer a week ago, and bought a windows with it, but the motherboard was dead so I had to get a new one, and after that my key was not usable anymore, after 5 calls to microsoft they told me to suck it and buy a new key. this is where I installed Linux because I am done with Microsoft shenanigans already.
[16:26] <bounty> However, I am starting to doubt myself as I don't know the first thing what I am doing... so what do you guys think, should I buy a new windows key or accept the learning curve and stick with linux? as a base OS.
[16:27] <Sandie> bounty: register your windows key with your microsoft account then the key follows the account instead of the mobo
[16:28] <bounty> I tried that, but apparently windows recognizes your pc parts and when you install new parts, especially a motherboard it'll reject the key and say you need to buy a new one.
[16:28] <lotus|NUC> Sandie: wich ubuntu version and chipset please?
[16:28] <coz_> bounty, believe me, stick with linux
[16:29] <coz_> bounty, or dual boot
[16:29] <bounty> And because the key was less than a day old, Microsoft thinks I am re-selling the keys or something so they won't give me a new one.
[16:29] <bounty> Which got me so mad, I installed Linux
[16:29] <coz_> bounty, call them up on the phone, first call free
[16:30] <bounty> Called em 5 times, same result
[16:30] <coz_> bounty, oh?
[16:30] <lotus|NUC> guys keep it ontopic please
[16:30] <coz_> bounty, go to #ubuntu-offtopic channel
[16:33] <pokalyis> Is there a style guide for terminal output? Like recommendation on how to format output from, say a bash script
[16:35] <lotus|NUC> !bash | pokalyis
[16:35] <pokalyis> lotus|NUC I know how to output information. I was more curious if there's any style guide
[16:37] <pokalyis> lotus|NUC My application for bookings currently looks like this: blob:https://imgur.com/2074562d-f7c8-4a8d-a205-32f2f03a384b
[16:37] <pokalyis> I'm not a big fan. Everything feels very bloated
[16:42] <Sandie> lotus|NUC, xubuntu 18.04, lshw says ethernet chipset is RTL8101/2/6E
[16:43] <ash_worksi> do institutions such as schools use a container-like tool to allow people to basically do whatever they want on computers but logging out or restarting the computer would reset any changes?
[16:43] <lotus|NUC> Sandie: is your system up to date please?
[16:44] <Sandie> lotus|NUC, it is
[16:45] <lotus|NUC> Sandie: feel free to hastebin us: tail -f /var/log/syslog disable & re-enable network for errors
[16:46] <ausjke> lotus|NUC: don't like unity/ubuntu UI, used gnome-session-flashback and gnome-session, worked fine until today, i just uninstalled ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-session and installed vanilla gnome, i now stick with gnome-vanilla, as other gnome-flavors seems somehow are mixed with ubuntu's UI
[16:46] <JimBuntu> ash_worksi, entities use various methods to give each user a clean experience as you basically describe.
[16:46] <ausjke> at the moment, vanilla gnome seems the true, unaffected UI
[16:46] <lotus|NUC> ausjke: ubuntu-gnome on 18.04 is not a thing anymore
[16:47] <ausjke> canonical is great all around except for the UI side...
[16:47] <lotus|NUC> ausjke: you cannnot generalize such statement
[16:48] <ausjke> well, its back to gnome finally, should go it all the way in my opinion :)
[16:48] <ausjke> i use 'vanilla-gnome-desktop' to save the mess for me, now can start working
[16:49] <Sandie> test
[16:50] <malwar3hun73r> i'm seeing a weird dns issue with 18.04 - in a LAN, the 18.04 box can resolve all the hostnames of everything else on the network but none of the other boxes can resolve the dns name of the 18.04 box
[16:53] <Genius-> Sorry i got disconnected
[16:53] <Genius-> I have a question, I tried making a usb bootable drive with unetbootin on ubuntu but when i tried to boot from the USB i get stuck on the blue screen with the Default option and 10 seconds countdown
[16:54] <Genius-> Any recommendations on other USB bootable disk creator for ubuntu ?
[16:54] <gpunk> dd
[16:55] <EriC^^> +1 on dd
[16:56] <lotus|NUC> !usb | Genius-
[16:56] <Genius-> Where can i find it ? Sorry i did google ( dd bootable usb ) but got something else hehe
[16:57] <ducasse> Genius-: dd is part of coreutils, so installed by default
[16:57] <Genius-> ahaa ok
[16:57] <Genius-> I unmounted the usb drive now
[16:58] <Genius-> W95 FAT32 Should be fine right ?
[16:58] <gpunk> it doesnt matter
[16:58] <gpunk> dd will overwrite it
[16:59] <ducasse> Genius-: filesystem is not relevant, you will write the fs in the iso
[16:59] <Genius-> Problem is ubuntu is using all the space on my HDD
[16:59] <Genius-> i cant resize it while its mounted :/
[16:59] <gpunk> ??
[17:00] <gpunk> resize it while installing
[17:02] <Sandie> lotus|NUC, log in msg?
[17:02] <phoenixz> Hi there, so I'm trying to install ubuntu server 18.04 and I cannot even start the installer because it hangs completely on this new snappy thing. I do not want snappy, I don't care for it. Is there some installer available that does not use snappy that actually works so that I can install ubuntu server 18.04?
[17:04] <ioria> phoenixz, what is ? the live version ?
[17:04] <ducasse> phoenixz: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04.1/release/
[17:04] <phoenixz> ioria: I'm sorry, I did not understand that.. you mean if it is the live version?
[17:04] <Sandie> lotus|NUC, https://pastebin.com/NUX0pw1x
[17:05] <ioria> phoenixz, yes
[17:05] <ducasse> phoenixz: that is a link to the old debian installer
[17:05] <ioria> phoenixz,  btw, ducasse already posted you the alternative
[17:10] <chrimbus> hello. where are apps that are installed via ubuntu software stored at? trying to set default text editor to sublime in filezilla but can't find the program
[17:12] <caixavirt> chrimbus, does this help? https://askubuntu.com/questions/214023/setting-default-application-to-open-files-through-filezilla
[17:13] <sab3r> Hey! I have an ubuntu server running a Wordpress site and suddenly I noticed that mysql was not on and it wouldnt start through systemd. I have now tried to purge mysql-server and reinstall but I keep getting an error (in the album). I will link an album with systemctl status mysql.service, dpkg-query -l mysql-server and sudo apt-get install -y myslq-server outputs. album: https://imgur.com/a/0vW8eYk
[17:13] <JimBuntu> chrimbus, sublime is often /usr/bin/subl   `which subl` at the command line should point you to it
[17:14] <sab3r> in SO I found answers that recommended me to remove /etc/mysql folder and reinstall but I am afraid of loosing my configurations for wordpress and that after I do that, wordpress would not work anymore. Any ideas how can I fix  this problem where I can't install mysql-server anymore and/or can't start the service
[17:14] <sab3r> I am using ubuntu 16.04
[17:15] <gpunk> did you look into syslog ?
[17:16] <gpunk> the server seems disabled
[17:16] <gpunk> enable it THEN start it
[17:16] <runjutsu> hi. Getting ubuntu just to run one package in a VM. What's the installation size for that, how much disk space do I need?
[17:17] <chrimbus> JimBuntu: thanks! it's in /snap/ apparently
[17:17] <sab3r> gpunk: I have tried that and it won't start. Also /var/log/syslog doesn't have anything in it.. is this normal, no?
[17:20] <chrimbus> ok i told filezilla to use /snap/bin/subl/ but it's just oppening in libreoffice by default i guess
[17:22] <sab3r> I have tried the solution provided in this askubuntu answer: https://askubuntu.com/questions/760724/16-04-upgrade-broke-mysql-server
[17:22] <sab3r> with no luck
[17:23] <caixavirt> runjutsu, you'll want to install desktop or server in a test vm and tweak for your needs and you can get a better idea: http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04/
[17:26] <sab3r> I have also found this answer: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2015-May/280738.html but If I take a copy of /var/lib/mysql and reinstall the db and then just copy the files back in, could there be any problems?
[17:28] <bounty> So, apparently wine doesn't have a release yet for Ubuntu 18.04, but, if I want to install and play games, how do I go about this?
[17:29] <leftyfb> !info wine1.6
[17:29] <leftyfb> bounty: the package name is wine1.6
[17:30] <leftyfb> there's also a wine64 , I'm not sure of the difference or which you should use. A little research should help you with that
[17:30] <Genius-> Hello again
[17:30] <Genius-> I finished the dd steps
[17:30] <Genius-> But when i rebooted and selected boot from usb
[17:30] <Genius-> it ignored the USB and booted from HDD :/
[17:32] <runjutsu> k, been a while since I used ubuntu.  Like amazon "keyloggers" or whatever?
[17:32] <leftyfb> !ohmy | runjutsu
[17:33] <runjutsu> last time I used ubuntu, it used to take the string you typed into your file search bar and send straight to amazon unencrypted.
[17:33] <runjutsu> any heads up will be appreciated. Thank you.
[17:33] <esro> runjutsu: you have to do your own research
[17:34] <esro> this channel is not very good for anything but links to docs
[17:34] <runjutsu> esro: no I don't, i can ask on IRC
[17:34] <esro> you cant even swear here properly
[17:34] <leftyfb> esro: please don't
[17:34] <esro> well - try #owasp :P
[17:34] <runjutsu> leftyfb: could you just calm down ffs
[17:34] <runjutsu> leftyfb: you're kind of pooping the pool to be honest
[17:35] <leftyfb> runjutsu: Feel free to request a refund.
[17:35] <runjutsu> esro: well, they just don't want people to waste other peoples time with stuff that can be easily googled or read in the manual
[17:35] <runjutsu> leftyfb: wow, did I just come here and demanded free service? No I didn't.
[17:35] <runjutsu> leftyfb: don't misrepresent my intentions.
[17:37] <leftyfb> runjutsu: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-remove-the-gnome-amazon-launcher-package-from-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-desktop
[17:37] <leftyfb> runjutsu: 2nd result on google for "ubuntu 18.04 amazon remove"
[17:38] <Genius-> ?
[17:39] <leftyfb> Genius-: there's a utility in ubuntu for creating the usb installer properly. It's called "Startup Disk Creator"
[17:39] <Genius-> the Startup Disk Creator has a bug i researched it wont add the ISO to the list
[17:40] <leftyfb> Genius-: which version of ubuntu are you running this on? SDC works just fine in Ubuntu 16.04
[17:40] <Genius-> 18
[17:40] <leftyfb> Genius-: 18 is not a version of ubuntu
[17:41] <Genius-> 18.04
[17:41] <Genius-> :)
[17:41] <leftyfb> Genius-: what do you mean it doesn't add the iso to the list? What list? Can't you just pick the iso by browsing for it?
[17:41] <Genius-> I pick the ISO
[17:42] <leftyfb> Genius-: Also, which iso are you trying to put onto the flash drive?
[17:42] <Genius-> Windows 7
[17:43] <Genius-> and i formatted to FAT32
[17:43] <Genius-> Should i try formatting to NTFS?
[17:43] <leftyfb> :/
[17:44] <leftyfb> !woeusb | Genius-
[17:44] <leftyfb> bah
[17:44] <runjutsu> what's the new hip way to install stuff now on ubuntu? apt get install is old?
[17:45] <leftyfb> Genius-: https://launchpad.net/~nilarimogard/+archive/ubuntu/webupd8 use woeusb. But at that point, it's unsupported here. Creating a Windows installer will not work using dd. You should seek further help in #windows
[17:45] <leftyfb> runjutsu: apt works just fine. As does apt-get. There's also snap packages.
[17:46] <Genius-> yeah but since im on ubuntu and trying to make the usb from ubuntu i asked here brother
[17:47] <leftyfb> Genius-: I've given you the best way to accomplish your goal. Good luck.
[17:47] <Genius-> Thank you im on it :)
[17:47] <xjkx> suddenly, now, just alt fn f2 goes to tty command line, and I dont know why, it should just bring the execute dialog
[18:09] <w4|k3r> Is there any specific location where the terminal configurations are saved. I know about bashrc but the font size information is not present there.
[18:11] <w4|k3r> I also checked the /etc/bash.bashrc which is the system wide configuration file, but did not get the font preferences.
[18:12] <w4|k3r> So, as the preferences are set based on the profile, I also checked .profile - again no information found
[18:15] <w4|k3r> I am using Ubuntu 18.04 by the way. My specific need is to get the font size set for the terminal running.
[18:15] <hdon> hi all :) the Display settings that allows me to set display resolution, orientation, and multi-dislpay arrangement, is nice, but sometimes it doesn't work. are there lower-level command-line interfaces i could try to work with instead?
[18:17] <w4|k3r> hdon: Are you trying to set the resolution using a/some terminal commands?
[18:18] <w4|k3r> I found out that xrandr is one tool to list out all the display options for various display devices connected.
[18:24] <adrian_1908> w4|k3r: you mean the font size of a tty? .bashrc is not being read to get font settings.
[18:25] <adrian_1908> If you mean the graphical terminal, e.g. Gnome terminal, i'd so a websearch about that specifically. Might be in ~/.config/...
[18:25] <pragmaticenigma> w4|k3r: The terminal you see inside of your Desktop is called a Terminal Emulator and font sizes are handled by the program launched to access the terminal.
[18:26] <w4|k3r> adrian_1908: I checked .config as well - did not find anything remotely connected to it
[18:26] <w4|k3r> pragmaticenigma: So basically the font size would be saved somewhere, right?
[18:27] <w4|k3r> Soem kind of a file - I mean.
[18:27] <w4|k3r> *Some
[18:27] <pragmaticenigma> w4|k3r: how are you accessing the terminal?
[18:27] <w4|k3r> pragmaticenigma: I am indeed using GnomeTerminal
[18:30] <w4|k3r> pragmaticenigma: I think I have to check the dconf tool - Apparently the configuration is managed with dconf(for newer distributions)
[18:31] <w4|k3r> gconf for older distributions.
[18:31] <w4|k3r> There seems to be some kind of a dump command which I could use to get a dump of the configuration.
[18:31] <w4|k3r> I went through this : https://askubuntu.com/questions/774394/wheres-the-gnome-terminal-config-file-located
[18:32] <w4|k3r> pragmaticenigma: Thanks for pointing out that I am not indeed working with the Terminal as such, rather an emulator.
[18:33] <pragmaticenigma> w4|k3r: you're welcome. I'm trying to find documentation on gnome-terminal to help you in your quest... at the moment, it seems to be very elusive
[18:34] <pragmaticenigma> A lot of things hint at it being set by the Gnome Session level, meaning it uses the same font values as used by other applications.
[18:36] <bounty> Hi, I am trying to create a dual boot, for both windows and Ubuntu, however, I can't get my windows.iso on my USB stick where it's bootable. and I am at a loss here, is there something specific I should do?
[18:36] <w4|k3r> pragmaticenigma: I have some doubt with that - since some of my applications use other settings as well which are not inline with that of the terminal emulator.
[18:36] <w4|k3r> The terminal emulator has different font size on account of programming being done. But that is not the case with Chrome/other applications.
[18:37] <pragmaticenigma> w4|k3r: It used to be in a menu under profile... but I don't know if that still applies in the current versions of gnome
[18:37] <bounty> According to a youtube video, I should right click the Iso and write it on the USB, however I don't have that option.
[18:37] <w4|k3r> pragmaticenigma: It is still under that option for Ubuntu 18.04
[18:38] <w4|k3r> But, I wish to read the font size set using a program.
[18:38] <w4|k3r> Hence the requirement
[18:38] <pragmaticenigma> !usb | bounty
[18:38] <hyskaru> bounty: you can't make a windows iso bootable simply by write on the usb stick
[18:38] <bounty> Oh, oops.. it didn't give me that option because the USB drive was still formatting....
[18:39] <runjutsu> bounty: don't give the USB options, it'll just enslave humanity and make batteries of us
[18:39] <w4|k3r> pragmaticenigma: from the GUI settings side, I am okay with it. But as far as I understand everything in Linux is saved in some file
[18:39] <w4|k3r> I just wanted to know where that file maybe
[18:40] <bounty> Sounds like a plan runjutsu.
[18:40] <pragmaticenigma> runjutsu: Please do not do that, keep on topic with productive help
[18:40] <runjutsu> pragmaticenigma: no
[18:41] <w4|k3r> !topic | runjutsu
[18:42] <w4|k3r> pragmaticenigma: Got it - fun little command - dconf dump / | grep font
[18:42] <pragmaticenigma> w4|k3r: ~/.config is the primary user configuration file path. if an application is adhering to standards, it will be in there. I have no idea where or how it is structured. Gnome also has it's own "hive" settings file, which is why dconf gets used
[18:43] <runjutsu> w4|k3r: no. I refuse to be on topic.
[18:43] <bounty> hyskaru if I installed the .Iso, and use the option to write it on my USB drive, doesn't that make it bootable ?
[18:44] <fedorafan> how long do I need to wait make a hard reset
[18:44] <fedorafan> I made a reboot
[18:44] <fedorafan> but I got this screen with Ubuntu 16.04 and points are loading
[18:44] <hyskaru> bounty: you want make a dual boot on your usb stick or the hdd ?
[18:44] <w4|k3r> pragmaticenigma: Amazingly I am seeing quite some number of settings with respect to fonts - like font and editor-font.
[18:44] <w4|k3r> I will check them separately. Thanks for the help ;)
[18:44] <bounty> I have two different SSD's, so I'll install Windows on 1, the other on 2, and when I want to switch I'll change the bios settings.
[18:45] <bounty> the other one with Linux*
[18:45] <hyskaru> bounty: so for install the iso of windows you need unetbootin
[18:45] <bounty> Yes, I am 'writing' the iso on my USB drive at the moment.
[18:47] <bounty> I am confused, if I left click the .Iso file, and chose the option to open it with the writer, click the USB drive to write on, won't that work?
[18:47] <fedorafan> hard reset time?
[18:47] <bounty> I am on Ubuntu at the moment, and I am going to install windows 10.
[18:48] <fedorafan> can I see why its stucked?
[18:48] <fedorafan> oh
[18:48] <fedorafan> I blindley typed in some keybindings and now it rebooted
[18:48] <fedorafan> :D
[18:57] <bieb_> I have a lenovo 710s desktop with sual display ports. I am trying to setup dual monitors in ubuntu18.04. Lenovo doesn't offer support for linux, but the tech I spoke to said it needs to be setup in the driver for the video card and that it would be 3rd party product support that is needed in Ubuntu. How do I find the driver to update to new one, or to see if the driver supports dual monitors already?
[18:58] <bray90820_> Probably an easy question that I am just overlooking but how would I pair a bluetooth mouse in 18.04
[18:59] <quinniedid> sudo systemctl status timesyncd.service timesyncd.service    Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory)    Active: inactive (dead)
[18:59] <pragmaticenigma> bieb_: There are no drivers to install. Intel graphics are supported without installation of specific drivers
[18:59] <quinniedid> Need help to figure out why this service is not running
[19:00] <maret> hi everyone I tried to resize ntfs disk from ubuntu  on dual boot machine
[19:00] <maret> problem is that after restart ubunt goes can't boot it and I noticed that I am getting an error run lists overlap. cannot merge numerical result out of range
[19:00] <bieb_> pragmaticenigma, there is no option in the display section to have 2 monitors.. where would that be set or activated?
[19:02] <pragmaticenigma> bieb_: is the laptop display on?
[19:03] <bieb_> pragmaticenigma, it's a lenovo desktop. there are 2 display ports, I have a dp->dvi cable in each to connect to my monitors
[19:03] <lotus|NUC> !info blueman | bray90820_
[19:03] <pragmaticenigma> lotus|NUC: I don't think that's going to help them
[19:04] <pragmaticenigma> bieb_: The only listing I see for Lenovo 710s is a laptop
[19:04] <bieb_> pragmaticenigma, https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/desktops-and-all-in-ones/thinkcentre-m-series-desktops/thinkcentre-m710s/10m7/10m7000sus/mj05z6tt?linkTrack=Homepage:Body_Search%20Products&searchType=6&keyWordSearch=mj05z6tt
[19:05] <pragmaticenigma> bieb_: does that have nvidia graphics card?
[19:05] <bieb_> no.. this one has the intel card
[19:08] <pragmaticenigma> bieb_: There are no additional drivers for Intel. If the monitor is not detective in the display settings, I'm not sure what else can be done. Make sure all cables are connected firmly. Did it use both monitors in Windows? Did it use both monitors in the Live instance of Ubuntu
[19:09] <bieb_> I never booted into Windows.. removed from the box, and booted with install disk. I didnt have 2 monitors during initial setup. But had 2 after the initial install when I moved it to my home office to replace a dead windows box
[19:10] <bieb_> pragmaticenigma, trying to go total linux at home
[19:10] <pragmaticenigma> bieb_: That was a bad idea. You have no idea if the machine even was working to begin wiht
[19:12] <bieb_> pragmaticenigma, I do know that both DP ports work, as I have plugged in 1 monitor to both and had connection, just not doing it when plugged in together
[19:13] <pragmaticenigma> bieb_: The issues aren't the ports, it's whether or not the card can support both at the same time
[19:13] <pragmaticenigma> bieb_: Also, the card may not support the resolution of both monitors at the same time
[19:38] <leonardus> hows 4k high dpi support
[19:40] <Silmarilion> Hi, does anybody know where can I see the list of packages which are installed by running the tasksel install lamp-server?
[19:41] <pragmaticenigma> leonardus: That is dependent on the graphics card's ability to support it
[19:41] <pragmaticenigma> Silmarilion: what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[19:41] <Silmarilion> 18.04
[19:41] <ducasse> Silmarilion: apt show lamp-server^
[19:42] <ducasse> (note the ^)
[19:42] <Silmarilion> great thanks
[19:45] <Goop> Hey, I don't know too much about FTP and hard drives, but I'm pretty sure it's possible to pull data in the middle of a file. I wanted to know if there are any cloud applications that support pulling data in the middle of a file.
[19:47] <tomreyn> Goop: can you explain "pull data in the middle of a file"?
[19:48] <Goop> tomreyn, so if I have a 50GB file, but I need to read information between, say 29.5GB to 29.6GB position of the file.
[19:49] <tomreyn> Goop: dd is one way to do this, using the 'skip' and 'bytes' options
[19:49] <tomreyn> it's unclear how to relates to ftp, though
[19:50] <Goop> Well, I want to mount a virtual drive on a Linux box that goes out to a cloud storage solution.
[19:50] <Goop> I just want to do some research to get the best performance out of trying to do that.
[19:51] <tomreyn> hmm, not sure i understand. if you have more questions about this scenario, please elaborate, and discuss your ubuntu version, too.
[19:52] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: They're looking for servers that support (similar to web servers) restartable downloads effectively. Where the client program can specify a start byte and end byte
[19:52] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: such that if a download were inturupted, the client software can reestablish connection and not have to start from zero
[19:53] <tomreyn> ooh, so resmunig transfers, such as http and webdav could.
[19:54] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: thanks for exmalaining, this is probably what Goop was looking for indeed. I just didn't get it from the description.
[19:55] <tomreyn> *explaining
[19:56] <grid-> hey
[19:57] <grid-> i can't get on my ftp server, my ip adress is not blocked, can anything be related to my virtualmin settings because my ip adress could be changed?
[19:57] <tomreyn> Goop: so it's possible to setup web (HTTP, also webdav) servers and other servers which support resuming downloads (partial transfers) on ubuntu.
[19:58] <tomreyn> grid-: how about you ssh to the server and see if you can connect to the ftpp server locally?
[19:59] <arooni> anyway to route all audio output from my ubuntu 18.04 laptop to my mac mini?
[20:00] <tomreyn> grid: this said, i'm afraid i don't know enough about virtialmin to tell whether your ip could be blocked there due to an ip address change. maybe someone else does.
[20:01] <grid-> tomreyn: i can connect to virtualmin which runs on the same server
[20:02] <pragmaticenigma> arooni: it's possible to do via shoutcast and pulseaudio. Though significant latency will occur (audio can be delayed up to 15-30 seconds)
[20:03] <tomreyn> grid-: i think virtualmin provides a webshell, so  you could also try to connect to the ftp server from there. do you have ip address based access restrictions in place for the ftp server specifically?
[20:05] <arooni> what about simply connecting via bluetooth?
[20:07] <pragmaticenigma> arooni: It is possible to connect two machines via bluetooth, it depends on whether or not the mac mini will allow BlueTooth audio to be played back. Also, You will also experience latency as the mac mini will unlikely use the A2DP protocols for audio streaming
[20:10] <grid-> tomreyn: ok thanks
[20:10] <grid-> ftp localhost works anyways
[20:11] <tomreyn> grid-: then i'd inspect auth.log about the failing internet connection attempts to the ftp server
[20:14] <tomreyn> arooni: maybe this is desirable then (or the topic before that, dpending on what you run n the mac mini)... https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/Modules/#index8h2
[20:15] <tomreyn> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/Network/#index2h3
[20:21] <Sven_vB> since the OOM kill some days ago, VLC's video pane stays black, it only plays audio. VLC's screenshot command works in so I guess it's just some part of the graphics driver tripped over some unclean exit. is there a way to reinitizalize it without having to end the current X session? (Ubuntu 14.04 trusty, Xfce 4.10)
[20:21] <arooni> i connected via bluetooth but couldnt get it working
[20:21] <arooni> i will file this awa as a project for later
[20:26] <tomreyn> Sven_vB: it's usually a good idea to reboot after the OOM killer has been active. have you not rebooted since?
[20:27] <Sven_vB> tomreyn, nope, I only now have time to clean up the unfinished work. thought maybe I could still watch my video on the side.
[20:29] <Sven_vB> nevermind, I found the XCB output module is still able to play the video.
[20:57] <greenEarth> Do you know a freelance job on free software?
[21:03] <ducasse> greenEarth: wrong channel
[21:06] <greenEarth> ducasse, what channel then?
[21:06] <ducasse> !alis
[21:06] <ducasse> greenEarth: i don't know, try searching ^^
[21:08] <Blendphys> Hi all. I have a problem with the font of unetbootin, see here: https://pasteboard.co/HDieXnd.png    Any solution?
[21:11] <cim209> i'm getting tired of these random wifi drops
[21:11] <cim209> just upgraded from ubuntu 16 to 18 and wifi drops while overnight
[21:13] <leftyfb> cim209: 16 and 18 are not ubuntu versions
[21:13] <leftyfb> cim209: that said, which wireless chipset do you have? "lspci"
[21:13] <cim209> ok...
[21:13] <cim209> i just upgraded to bionic then
[21:13] <cim209> how about that
[21:14] <leftyfb> cim209: bionic is 18.04. Not "18"
[21:15] <cim209> semantics leftyfb, here's the pastebin https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GpQrvSgDR4/
[21:16] <leftyfb> cim209: it's not semantics. Every version is different and especially with 18.XX. 18.10 is unreleased and unsupported. We have people running it and coming here asking for support. This is not the proper place to ask for support with unreleased or EOL versions of ubuntu. It makes a difference.
[21:16] <jeremy31> cim209 What about results for> lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:16] <cim209> leftyfb, yeah ok
[21:16] <cim209> jeremy31, hold on
[21:17] <cim209> http://termbin.com/9601
[21:18] <cim209> i'm running ubuntu BIONIC 18.04 LTS in an old 2007 imac fyi
[21:18] <Blendphys> Hmm, it seems to be a font problem with unetbootin: https://pasteboard.co/HDieXnd.png
[21:18] <jeremy31> cim in terminal> sudo apt purge bcmwl-kernel-source && sudo apt install firmware-b43-installer
[21:19] <jeremy31> cim209 then reboot
[21:19] <cim209> k brb
[21:20] <tomreyn> Blendphys: which ubuntu version and variant are you running it on? can you run it from a temrinal and post the console output?
[21:21] <Blendphys> Lubuntu 18.04
[21:21] <Blendphys> Unable to load library icui18n "Cannot load library icui18n: (icui18n: Kann die Shared-Object-Datei nicht öffnen: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden)"
[21:21] <tomreyn> Blendphys: how did you install unetbootin?
[21:22] <Blendphys> tomreyn, I used the solution from here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1030602/cant-install-unetbootin-in-ubuntu-18-04-live-boot-session
[21:22] <Blendphys> The first one (option 1) with 3 votes
[21:24] <tomreyn> Blendphys: you'd better use the PPA https://launchpad.net/~gezakovacs/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=bionic
[21:24] <Blendphys> yep, I will try, thx a lot
[21:25] <tomreyn> or use usb-creator-gtk, which is available from ubuntu
[21:26] <jeremy31> Blendphys check for startup disk creator in programs
[21:27] <tomreyn> that's the gui name for usb-creator-gtk
[21:27] <jeremy31> yes
[21:28] <Blendphys> tomreyn, +10 point, works out of the box! Strange that I couldn't find the ppa myself.
[21:28] <Blendphys> jeremy31, I prefer unetbootin
[21:28] <Blendphys> anyway thx
[21:29] <cim209> ok ill be back here when my computer disconnects tomorrow
[21:30] <jeremy31> cim209 see https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2354328&p=13614520&#post13614520
[21:31] <cim209> jeremy31, thanks i forgot about the auto channel switcher on the router
[21:32] <mist_> hey guys, this is just generic bash help actually but i'm trying to make a oneliner with a for loop however my $line is not turning into the variable, it's staying as $line
[21:32] <mist_> counter=0;for line in `cat keys.txt`; do echo curl --user aha:oho --data-binary '{"jsonrpc": "1.0", "id":"curltest", "method": "importprivkey", "params": ["$line","imported2",false] }' -H 'content-type: text/plain;' http://<IP_ADDRESS>:45443/; echo $counter; counter=$((counter+1)); done
[21:32] <mist_> this is what i'm trying to do
[21:33] <leftyfb> mist_: you should try #bash
[21:33] <mist_> just did, thanks
[21:35] <quidnunc> How do I change the default Chinese font?
[21:36] <quidnunc> https://gangmax.me/blog/2017/01/10/change-ubuntu-16-dot-04-default-chinese-font/
[21:36] <quidnunc> ^ I see instructions here but I don't understand what is to be changed
[21:37] <coz_> quidnunc, try in terminal  sudo gedit /etc/fonts/conf.d/64-language-selector-prefer.conf
[21:37] <quidnunc> coz_: But what do I do?
[21:38] <coz_> let me check
[21:39] <quidnunc> coz_: Never mind, I guess I just replace the font name
[21:39] <coz_> quidnunc,  ok
[21:39] <StatelessCat> Hi
[21:40] <quidnunc> coz_: thanks
[21:40] <coz_> quidnunc,  no problem but I really didnt do anything:)
[21:43] <StatelessCat> I'm looking for a bluetooth usb adapter that's works out the box with Ubuntu 18.04.
[21:44] <StatelessCat> I found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsBluetoothUsbAdapters very obsolete (show compatibily for Ubuntu 7.04..., and most bluetooth adapter there are not anymore buyable)
[21:45] <jeremy31> StatelessCat IoGear GBU521
[21:45] <StatelessCat> My current bluetooth adapter (Intel 8620) works one time of 100... So i Found the "KINIVO BTD-400 BLUETOOTH USB ADAPTER", anyone try this one ?
[21:46] <StatelessCat> jeremy31: Cool, works out the box ? no black magic needed ?
[21:47] <StatelessCat> thank you*
[21:47] <jeremy31> StatelessCat I use to need a firmware file for it to do HFP/HSP but not anymore.  It works with my mouse, keyboard , and headset
[21:48] <StatelessCat> good to know :)
[21:49] <StatelessCat> jeremy31: you mean that in a previous kernel a firmware was required, but in a newer kernel the firmware is already inside, right?
[21:50] <jeremy31> StatelessCat A lot of USB bluetooth devices use Cambridge Silicon Radio chips and they either work or they don't, the GBU521 uses a Broadcom chip
[21:51] <jeremy31> StatelessCat The firmware just doesn't seem to be needed by the bluetooth chip, HSP/HFP is just low quality audio used mainly for phone calls
[21:51] <StatelessCat> Broadcom... It remind me painful stuffs as Wifi adapter ... :/
[21:52] <cim209> StatelessCat, i got this cheapy usb wifi adapter by chorse
[21:52] <jeremy31> StatelessCat I have a Broadcom wifi card that was pain free, a BCM4313 and the bluetooth chip on it needs no firmware either
[21:52] <cim209> it worked via live cd
[21:52] <StatelessCat> jeremy31: I forget to say I would like "High Fidelity Playback (A2DP sink)" works with my new bluetooth adapter. You think the GBU521 can do it?
[21:53] <StatelessCat> jeremy31: cool. I'll forget my previous bad experience with Broadcom :)
[21:53] <StatelessCat> cim209: the IOgear or the Kinivo?
[21:54] <StatelessCat> cim209: thanks*
[21:54] <cim209> StatelessCat, https://www.amazon.com/Chorse-300Mbps-Wireless-Network-Adapter/dp/B01A3I6RBY
[21:54] <jeremy31> StatelessCat There are some issues with A2DP.  On my Ubuntu laptop I use Blueman and it automatically connects to my headset when I power it on but I have to use Blueman to disconnect and reconnect for A2DP audio to work
[21:55] <jeremy31> StatelessCat The A2DP issues aren't just with the GBU521, I have a laptop with Atheros wifi/BT and it does the same
[21:56] <StatelessCat> ty cim209, i'll consider it against the IOgear
[21:57] <cim209> np
[21:58] <StatelessCat> jeremy31: ok. Anyway it will be better than my Intel 8260 (that is doing wifi at the same time), because my Intel 8260 is not recognised by the Blueman.
[21:58] <StatelessCat> thank you both for your experience and feedback
[22:06] <Kk2>  hi there, i have a small question and that can sound really wierd ok? when i play tibia here on solus an i put the render mode on "software" he gets like 80fps and renders the fonts perfect, all truetype amazing, when i go to opengl i get 170fps+ BUT, the fonts are ugly as f. and i can't force it to use truetype, any ideias why that happens and how should i bypass it?
[22:12] <nacc> Kk2: pretty sure solus is not ubuntu.
[22:14] <StatelessCat> Kk2: hi
[22:16] <StatelessCat> Kk2: I don't know much about truetype stuffs, but in ubuntu 18.04, I used to force some properties for the truetype interpreter, using "FREETYPE_PROPERTIES="truetype:interpreter-version=35 cff:no-stem-darkening=1 autofitter:warping=1" firefox" for launching firefox for example.
[22:17] <StatelessCat> and it change the font rendering. Maybe you can try to launch you software using this kind of override ? Maybe it's a bad idea or just do nothing to your issue... i don't know. But i'm sure there is people here that can help :)
[22:31] <jonfen> What is the best resource for setting up an ubuntu server to use an active directory server for authentication?
[22:32] <jonfen> I have found outdated versions online, but nothing for 18.04 so far
[22:35] <nacc> jonfen: samba, i assume
[22:35] <nacc> jonfen: you might want to ask in #ubuntu-server
[22:35] <jonfen> nacc: isn't samba just file sharing?
[22:38] <tomreyn> https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Setting_up_Samba_as_an_Active_Directory_Domain_Controller
[22:38] <nacc> jonfen: no, it's much more
[22:40] <jonfen> tomreyn: that is a good link, but the ubuntu server isn't the primary active directory server.
[22:44] <bambam> Hi. I installed Ubuntu to a USB stick, by following the regular installer and choosing the USB as the destination drive. However when I try to boot it on a different computer (I disabled SecureBoot), it won't boot. Is this related to grub somehow?
[22:45] <bambam> I'm explicitly choosing USB boot at the computer's boot menu. It shows the manufacturer logo for a while then goes back to the UEFI screen.
[22:46] <StatelessCat> bambam: do you have one or two items for selecting your USB key on the boot menu?
[22:47] <bambam> just one
[22:47] <tomreyn> jonfen: dunno then, i never set this up. i think there's #samba
[22:47] <StatelessCat> tomreyn: I don't know. On my computer i got a line for UEFI and a second line for non-UEFI.
[22:47] <jonfen> tomreyn: thank you
[22:48] <tomreyn> StatelessCat: did oyu mean to address bambam ?
[22:48] <StatelessCat> -tomreyn +bambam, sorry
[22:48] <tomreyn> ;)
[22:48] <StatelessCat> yes, :)
[22:49] <bambam> StatelessCat: what I see as boot options: Windows Boot Manager, USB Storage, Internal Storage, PXE Network. I selected USB Storage. I don't get prompted for anything else.
[22:50] <tomreyn> bambam: maybe you created a (legacy) bios ubuntu installatio non your usb stick and ar enow trying to boot off this on a uefi system?
[22:50] <bambam> tomreyn: I created it on an old desktop so that's likely the case. I don't recall any options in the Ubuntu installer for specifying the target. All I could select was the destination drive.
[22:51] <bambam> Created the USB on a BIOS PC, trying to boot it on a modern laptop with UEFI
[22:51] <bambam> I want a portable Ubuntu system basically. Plug into a PC, turn on, use.
[22:52] <tomreyn> bambam: see if the laptop provides a way to enable "legacy bios" AKA "CSM (compatibility support module)", this should then allow you to boot off the usb stick.
[22:53] <tomreyn> ...but you'll want to reset the laptop's uefi configuaration to standard uefi boot afterwards.
[22:53] <jonfen> https://bitsofwater.com/2018/05/08/join-ubuntu-18-04-to-active-directory/ seems like a winning ticket
[22:54] <StatelessCat> bambam: I would sugest you to "re-burn" the iso to the USB key, using the "dd" command and not using the Ubuntu tools. I always do that and i never had issue on both Bios and UEFI
[22:54] <bambam> tomreyn: according to google mine is a class 3 UEFI device, which has no BIOS support. All I could do was disable SecureBoot.
[22:54] <tomreyn> bambam: alternatively, re-create the usb stick on a system which booted in uefi mode.
[22:54] <StatelessCat> bambam: just be careful using the dd command, to avoid erasing one of your harddrive :)
[22:55] <bambam> tomreyn: wouldn't that prevent me from booting it on BIOS systems?
[22:56] <tomreyn> bambam: yesit would. it is possible to create a (usb) storage which can boot in both modes, uefi and bios, but this involves some manual work (which you can still do later on)
[22:57] <tomreyn> just make sure you'll engd up with a GPT partition table (not MBR/MSDOS).
[22:57] <tomreyn> *end up
[22:57] <bambam> OK, so if I'm understanding you right, when you install Ubuntu, it figures out whether you're running on a PC with BIOS or UEFI, and prepares the boot files differently?
[22:57] <tomreyn> yes, that's correct
[22:58] <bambam> tomreyn: I was never asked about GPT/MBR. I just selected the target disk in the installer, along with encryption.
[22:58] <bambam> there was a Something Else option in the installer for manual partitioning but I didn't use it
[22:58] <tomreyn> bambam: i assume (not certain) you can choose the partition table type in manual partitioning.
[22:59] <tomreyn> alternatively you should be able to create the gpt partition table before installing, then do manual partitioning on top of that.
[22:59] <bambam> tomreyn: why do I need to make sure it's GPT? I googled it, apparently the difference is only about for the limit of partition size and number?
[23:00] <tomreyn> uefi wont boot off MBR/MSDOS partition tables
[23:00] <bambam> tomreyn: is there an alternative installer which lets me do these things through it, instead of figuring it out manually? I dont know how to enable encryption on a manually partitioned system. The standard installer just lets me pick a drive and do it automatically.
[23:00] <bambam> I see
[23:02] <bambam> Thanks for the help
[23:03] <tomreyn> bambam, if you'll stay around for another 10 minutes, i can test whether there can be an easy approach in a vm.
[23:04] <bambam> tomreyn: I can stick around! I might leave at any time for 15 min cause I'm depending on someone else for a lift, but can come back online once I'm home.
[23:05] <tomreyn> sounds good to me
[23:05] <bambam> tomreyn: my goal is to have a proper portable install of 18.04, that I can carry around on a fast USB stick, and be able to run on any/most PC I want to use
[23:05] <bambam> and it has to be encrypted, since it's risky to carry it around
[23:07] <tomreyn> ok, for now i'll just focus on finding out how to create a uefi bootable ubuntu 18.04.1 amd64 desktop installation on a usb stick.
[23:07] <bambam> but if that's not possible, I can do what you suggested earlier and just repeat from a UEFI PC, and stick to UEFI PCs. There's less and less BIOS systems after all.
[23:16] <bambam> tomreyn: based on what you said, I'm going through the installer again in a Virtualbox VM with EFI enabled. I'll see if the result can boot on my new laptop.
[23:17] <tomreyn> bambam: that's what i'm trying right now, too
[23:19] <bambam> my ride's gonna be here in 5 mins, and at USB 2.0 speeds this won't be ready. If I leave in 5-10 minutes, I can be back online within 20 minutes after.
[23:27] <bambam> OK I'm out, be back later
[23:28] <tomreyn> bambam: so here's what should work: boot the ubuntu installer on an uefi system (configured for uefi booting), and insert an empty / overwritable usb stick as the installation target. then just start the installation and select what you used to select
[23:28] <tomreyn> auto partitioning + overwrite full disk + encryption (+ optionally lvm) should all be fine
[23:31] <tomreyn> the installer will create a uefi bootable usb stick then. you can later shrink either /boot or the efi system partition (ESP) by ~ 2MB, allowing you to create another partition flagges bios_grub, so this system can become bios-bootable, too
[23:34] <FXpro>  I keep getting this error when I try to execute a .sh script from terminal, "I am sorry, but the installer file seems to be corrupted.  If you downloaded that file please try it again.  If you transfer that file with ftp please make sure that you are using binary mode."
[23:36] <tomreyn> FXpro: a nice and user friendly error message, i would say.
[23:39] <FXpro> ya think?  hehe
[23:42] <tomreyn> FXpro: what is your question about it, if any
[23:43] <FXpro> I cant get a script to work on peppermint os which is an ubuntu flavor of linux.
[23:43] <FXpro> tell me please what is the command to add java?
[23:43] <tomreyn> that's not a ddistribution we support here, sorry.
[23:43] <tomreyn> only ubuntu and its flavors.
[23:44] <tomreyn> !flavors
[23:44] <guiverc> FXpro: all flavors have Ubuntu in their name, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Ubuntu-MATE, Ubuntu-Budgie... etc
[23:46] <dar123> hey guyz, i am trying to tail a log file but want to exclude lines which include certain text
[23:46] <tomreyn> FXpro: however, we'll be happy to support you here once you run ubuntu or one of these flavors.
[23:47] <FXpro> ok then I need to install lubuntu but peppermint is lubuntu
[23:47] <guiverc> dar123: add a grep -v (inverse grep) to your tail
[23:48] <FXpro> "Peppermint Linux OS is a cloud-centric OS based on Lubuntu, a derivative of the Ubuntu Linux operating system that uses the LXDE desktop environment.[4] Peppermint's developers have written about their principles of providing a familiar environment for newcomers to Linux, which requires relatively low hardware resources to run."
[23:48] <guiverc> Peppermint is not Lubuntu
[23:48] <FXpro> it should wokr the same
[23:48] <tomreyn> FXpro: as your quote states, it's a derivative. we only support ubuntu and its recognized flavors here, no derivatives.
[23:49] <FXpro> what is the lightest fastest for old computers that you support?  lubuntu?
[23:49] <tomreyn> FXpro: it may work similar, it is still not supported here.
[23:50] <FXpro> ummm, ok.  the computer I am working with is an old dell latitute d630, t7500 dual cpu @ 2.2 ghz, and it has 2gb of ram which I will upgrde later.
[23:50] <FXpro> lubuntu should fit that machine best right?
[23:50] <hggdh> FXpro: yes, it would. As would Xubuntu.
[23:51] <tomreyn> ubuntu server is probably the most resource friendly installation you could create. lubuntu is a good choice if you need a graphical desktop.
[23:51] <tomreyn> mate and budgie are around the same, i think.
[23:51] <guiverc> FXpro: I'm testing Lubuntu 18.10 (& xubuntu 18.10) on a dell d610 - pentium M (single core, 1gb ram) & it works well- it depends what you use it for..
[23:52] <FXpro> downloading now.
[23:52] <FXpro> I need something that works reliable.  I assume that would be lubuntu.
[23:52] <FXpro> mxlinux is nice and works for what what I am doing too though so I am testing that one on another hard drive.
[23:52] <tomreyn> FXpro: be aware that you wont get security patches for this cpu anymore, though. so consider replacing your hardware soon.
[23:52] <FXpro> if I can get lubuntu to do what I need, I will covert it over to an ssd on that computer.
[23:53]  * tomreyn is referring to intel microcode updates, not ubuntu security patches
[23:53] <FXpro> ok thanks for the heads up
[23:54] <guiverc> FXpro: also how you use will dictate speed; eg. using a GTK+3 app on a Qt environment (like lubuntu 18.10) wastes memory - as multiple sets of libs are needed in memory... To be efficient, you must match your DEsktop choice with apps... otherwise a lighter DEsktop is just wasting memory
[23:55] <guiverc> (my mention of Lubuntu/Qt was only by example; 18.10 is still development...)
[23:55] <dar123> guiverc: Thanks, can we use OR operator if we have multiple conditions or just do another grep
[23:56] <FXpro> the details are important but really I just need something that works reliable.  this is a presistent problem with any distribution of linux it seems with a handful of exceptions.
[23:56] <guiverc> dar123: egrep with |
[23:57] <FXpro> hence why apple computer is worth a trillion dollars.  they took the source code of linux and made it into something reliable and usable which most people dont give a crap about all the details and just need to get their work done.
[23:57] <FXpro> growing pains...
[23:57] <bambam> I'm back
[23:58] <guiverc> FXpro: the same applies to apple, applies to windows, ie. the libs are called dlls in windows, but same rules apply.. apple people just don't care, throw money or ignore the 'saving memory' issue -- *nix users are usually power & want to understand why..
[23:59] <FXpro> yes
[23:59] <FXpro> I am no fan of apple other than their stock price  :)
[23:59] <bambam> tomreyn: did you go through with it?
[23:59] <FXpro> they are sell outs to china now.