[00:38] <Anxi80> What is the path for accessing things like DVD drives?
[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[12:45] <The_Fred> hello
[12:45] <The_Fred> I have submitted an app and its at the review stage... how long does this take?
[13:12] <zoopster> The_Fred: open source and free (as in beer)?
[13:16] <The_Fred> yes
[13:16] <The_Fred> well, its half of a system
[13:17] <The_Fred> the code for review is free and open, and is 'server' side for Ubuntu desktops
[13:20] <mhall119> The_Fred: so it has an open source desktop app that connect to a server?
[13:21] <The_Fred> no, its an android app that connects to ubuntu desktop
[13:22] <mhall119> oh, ok
[13:22] <mhall119> as long as the desktop part, the part you submitted, is free and open, then it will be reviewed by the community ARB team
[13:23] <The_Fred> aha , i see,
[13:23] <mhall119> The_Fred: it usually takes a few days, and they've been getting a lot more app submissions lately
[13:24] <The_Fred> thats good, i suppose its the app competition thats helped the surge :)
[13:25] <mhall119> yup :)
[13:27] <The_Fred> im very nervous because it the first time i've had to do packaging..
[13:29] <mhall119> yeah, it can be daunting at first, but once you understand it it's really pretty simple
[16:09] <hakermania> I have a little problem with my application, as for the indicators. I'm not programming in python, but in C++.
[16:09] <hakermania> The problem is described here: http://www.unix.com/programming/191843-combining-qt-gtk-only-one-problem.html
[16:09] <hakermania> If anyone can help..... Thanks!
[19:02] <hakermania> Anyone :) ?
[20:45] <george_e> I have submitted an app to MyApps but failed to mention in the remarks section that I had a PPA set up.
[20:45] <george_e> I've left a comment here: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/1020/feedback/
[20:45] <george_e> Is that the right place to put the information?
[21:02] <hakermania> george_e, what's your app? :)
[21:02] <hakermania> (i don't know your answer?)
[21:03] <george_e> hakermania: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/1020/
[21:27] <hakermania> gearge_e, nice one! We are developing an application for conversion between video, image and picture, but we will submit it probably tomorrow morning or later(we didn't want to have the idea taken)
[21:27] <hakermania> video, audio nad picture* Lolz
[21:43] <george_e> hakermania: Sounds interesting!
[21:44] <hakermania> george_e, yep, there's nothing similar in USC (for both 3 of them) and users tend to go to terminal, something that we "don't want". It's will be something like FormatFactory for Windows, if you've heard of it...
[21:45] <george_e> Is FormatFactory similar to MediaCoder?
[21:45] <george_e> I have to confess that I've never heard of it.
[21:48] <hakermania> george_e, yes, something like it, except that it converts images, too. http://www.formatoz.com/
[21:49] <hakermania> It's free, that's why it needs funding, though...


[01:41] <bluesabre> hey everyone
[01:45] <ochosi> hey bluesabre
[01:45] <bluesabre> I need to catch up seriously bad
[01:46] <ochosi> yeah, those guys went crazy on #xfce-dev
[01:46] <ochosi> not that you actually have any git logs to check, but there was a lot of talking (:
[01:46] <bluesabre> I see that
[01:46] <bluesabre> Busy folks!
[01:46] <ochosi> sidi-valencia: yeah, not a bad idea. but then we'd have to do that for all components which means more work. and currently not even all components have proper docs, so i'd rather start there...
[01:47] <ochosi> andrzejr: yeah, saw that. i can't say i'm opposed to that, we could also try to be in sync with gnome/gtk, since that is a source of potential breakage
[01:49] <ochosi> andrzejr: one problem is though that other distro-maintainers might complain about the syncing of release schedules with one distro, plus releasing not only a distro every six months plus also the DE itself might be too much work. after all, the xubuntu dev community isn't that big either
[01:53] <ochosi> bluesabre: anyway, ping me when you're done reading, although i won't be around for *much* longer
[01:53] <bluesabre> probably won't catch up so quickly.  Saw pings for parole 0.7 docs, go ahead and patch it :)
[01:53] <bluesabre> anything else I need to do with that?
[01:54] <ochosi> hm, not really. only if we want to we can try to find a sustainable automatic solution
[01:54] <ochosi> but yeah, it'd be just one more thing to do when there's a version bump (relink to newest docs)
[01:55] <bluesabre> yeah, on that same note, we'd also have to be more responsive with updating docs versions
[01:55] <bluesabre> :)
[01:56] <bluesabre> but if that's how we want to go, that should be pretty easy
[01:56] <ochosi> not necessarily
[01:56] <ochosi> we could make it fall back to the highest version
[01:56] <ochosi> i mean highest available docs version
[01:56] <ochosi> basically, keep the highest available (stable) docs version at apps/parole/start
[01:57] <bluesabre> that makes sense to me
[01:57] <ochosi> and only if there is an older or dev version put that in apps/parole/0.7/start
[01:57] <ochosi> so when 0.7 becomes 0.8, we move the current "master" docs to parole/0.6 and copy 0.7 over to "master"
[01:59] <ochosi> hm, the about dialog has a PACKAGE_VERSION
[01:59] <ochosi> is it too hacky if i just crop out the first three characters from that?
[02:00] <ochosi> bluesabre: ^
[02:00] <bluesabre> we actually define it in the configure file, we can do some stuff at build time
[02:00] <ochosi> PACKAGE_VERSION returns e.g. "0.7.0", but we always need the first three chars
[02:00] <ochosi> unless we get >10
[02:01] <ochosi> well yeah, that variable comes from the configure file i afaik
[02:08] <ochosi> something like strncpy or strncat could be used i guess
[02:08] <ochosi> one annoying thing about the docs is that with gtk>=3.12 there are no menuitem-icons anymore, so all the docs screenshots theoretically would have to be redone at some point, even if the UI doesn't massively change otherwise
[02:09] <ochosi> (we could also just use less screenshots)
[02:09] <ochosi> (e.g. for menus we don't necessarily need one as they're only lists)
[02:14] <bluesabre> actually, I think we removed them ourselves because of gtk 3.12
[02:15] <bluesabre> to keep things consistent for everyone
[02:16] <ochosi> hmright, well doesn't really matter though, in the end it boils down to the screenshots in the docs adding maintenance load
[02:17] <bluesabre> yup :)
[02:18] <ochosi> i'll consider weeding out and redoing them for 0.8 then
[02:18] <ochosi> (or asking jjfrv8 to do that :>)
[02:20] <bluesabre> heh
[02:20] <bluesabre> I'm hoping to actually get back in the xubuntu swing of things asap
[02:21] <bluesabre> but trying to move/get ready for the new job has been a chore
[02:22]  * skellat is having things break big time on the community governance side which is a mixed bag right now
[02:22]  * skellat bemoans the lack of sound effects on IRC otherwise there would be copious playback of breaking glass...
[02:24] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, i've gone through the same a few times in the last year, really sucks up a lot of time/energy...
[02:24] <ochosi> you have my full sympathy
[02:24] <ochosi> or empathy
[02:24] <ochosi> or whatever *pathy you prefer
[02:24] <ochosi> (psychopathy maybe?)
[02:24] <Cykit> mhm
[02:25] <bluesabre> any and all :D
[02:26] <sidi-valencia> ochosi, i consent to doing it :-) just tell me which
[02:27] <ochosi> sidi-valencia: for instance, the powerman docs are really out of date
[02:28] <ochosi> mousepad doesn't even have any docs
[02:28] <ochosi> etc etc
[02:28] <ochosi> have your pick
[02:28] <sidi-valencia> ahah fair enough
[02:28] <sidi-valencia> could do it slowly
[02:28] <ochosi> yeah, or very fast!
[02:28] <sidi-valencia> just makes it more welcoming to look at the docs
[02:28] <sidi-valencia> very fast is incompatible with my workload
[02:28] <sidi-valencia> anyway
[02:28] <sidi-valencia> gf is here
[02:28] <bluesabre> doing it on docs.xfce or with the staging site?
[02:29] <sidi-valencia> surprise visit
[02:29] <sidi-valencia> ttyl :D
[02:29] <ochosi> heh, hf sidi-valencia
[02:29] <ochosi> bluesabre: powerman docs on staging site. the header idea sidi wants to introduce would best be handled in some sort of template
[02:29] <ochosi> otherwise it's an annoying code-block that has to be added to every /start page
[02:30] <bluesabre> yeah
[02:30] <bluesabre> well, if anybody needs an account, you're an admin on the staging site
[02:30] <bluesabre> :)
[02:30] <ochosi> yup :)
[02:30] <ochosi> but not on docs.xfce
[02:36] <bluesabre> okay, think I'm going to head to bed early.  Will pick up my tasks in the morning
[02:37] <bluesabre> Have a good night everyone!
[02:50] <ochosi> same here, night everyone
[03:23] <pleia2> woo, finally have vivid marketing blueprint done
[03:24] <pleia2> a month late
[10:06] <habhatti> Hello.
[10:11] <elfy> hello
[10:17] <habhatti> Elfy: I was recommended to speak to you for helping out with testing.
[10:20] <elfy> habhatti: yep you can
[10:20] <elfy> what can you test? installing? applications?
[10:22] <habhatti> Both.
[10:23] <elfy> ok
[10:24] <elfy> are you able to run and use the dev release - or only able to do so with virtual machines?
[10:26] <habhatti> I can do it in a VM for the moment.
[10:30] <elfy> okey doke
[10:31] <elfy> so, get the daily and install that in a vm - that will test the live session and one of the install tests
[10:31] <elfy> then you can use apps in there to test them
[10:31] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/326/builds
[10:32] <elfy> xubuntu is at the bottom - pick 32 or 64 bit, there are download instructions once you are in either
[10:32] <habhatti> Sounds good.
[10:36] <elfy> I'm about off an on this morning
[10:39] <habhatti> Ok, thank you.
[10:43] <elfy> habhatti: once you have downloaded whichever iso for testing - you don't need to download the whole thing again - it updates every day
[10:43] <elfy> you can use zsync - which just grabs the difference
[10:44] <habhatti> ok
[11:31] <ochosi> pleia2: congrats :)
[12:01] <brainwash> bluesabre: looks like we cannot move xfdesktop4 4.11.8 to trusty-updates, because it does not fix the icon rearrange problem completely
[13:09] <brainwash> bluesabre: also, what is the status of the weather-plugin for precise? do nothing until precise is EOL, mark it as won't fix or release an update before like next year?
[13:12] <brainwash> it's just fair to inform the users which are still using precise. it's a LTS release after all
[14:49] <bluesabre> brainwash: does xfdesktop fix the other issues though?  Seems like 2/3 (or whatever the ratio is) is better than nothing
[14:50] <bluesabre> brainwash: I've been busy lately, will work on the weather plugin today, assuming I am not on the road all day again :)
[14:56] <brainwash> bluesabre: I'm not sure about the other xfdesktop fixes which are mostly minor ones. The icon arrangement one is bothering many users and the new version seems to alter the bug or even introduce it to users which were not affected previously.
[14:57] <bluesabre> ah, lovely
[15:12] <knome> way
[15:12] <knome> huh
[15:12] <knome> missing a command char
[15:12] <knome> see you later.
[15:15] <habhatti> ?
[15:16] <habhatti> Is it normal that the vivid roadmap appears blank for me?
[15:18] <elfy> habhatti: where are you looking?
[15:19] <elfy> the xubuntu roadmap is indeed empty currently if that's what you mean
[15:19] <elfy> blueprints are more or less done as far as I know - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-v-flavor-xubuntu
[15:20] <habhatti> yes that's the one I was looking at
[20:47] <Pwnna> can anyone here reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1395528
[20:59] <habhatti> Hello.


 love the 5.23 wallpaper .. looking fresh
[12:41] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:03] <RikMills> santa__: did you get a fix for cantor finfing julia?
[16:39] <santa__> RikMills: nope, not yet, I can give you some details about that, maybe today later
[16:41] <RikMills> santa__: great. for now I let it build without julia files, as needed to rebuild cantor for the libqalculate soname transition. once that is done can look at fixing julia part
[22:07] <santa__> hi everyone
[22:07] <santa__> julia drama quick summary:
[22:08] <santa__> - if I'm not mistaken the thing was triggered by this -20 version of this package in -proposed: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-toolchain-9
[22:09] <santa__> - that package, if I'm not mistaken makes julia crash
[22:09] <santa__> - while building the cantor package, the cmake part executes julia to find out the location of the julia include dir
[22:11] <santa__> - since julia crashes, julia includes are not detected by cantor's cmake part
[22:11] <santa__> - therefore some files related to julia backend are not created while building cantor
[22:12] <RikMills> makes sense
[22:12] <santa__> so that's the summary, I'm going to re-connect and add an extra note about that
[22:13] <santa_> ok
[22:14] <santa_> extra note: I tried some things like rebuilding julia, upgrading julia, switching julia to a new llvm version
[22:14] <santa_> none of them worked, but I tried that at the end of ii cycle
[22:15] <santa_> RikMills: so I would advice you to contact locutusofborg if you have time
[22:15] <santa_> he is the person who uploaded that -20 version
[22:15] <RikMills> santa_: I will do. I talk to him fairly often in some private chats
[22:16] <santa_> also it's failing in s390x so maybe he has pending things to do in that package
[22:16] <santa_> RikMills: thanks a lot
[22:17] <RikMills> I won't get to it today, but hopefully in the next few. Please remind me if I appear to have forgotten
[22:18] <santa_> ack
[22:20] <RikMills> santa_: actually, I will forward him a screenshot of this chat now
[22:20] <RikMills> then see where that goes
[22:21] <RikMills> done


[18:13] <ochosi> micahg: any chance we can integrate this in xubuntu anytime soon? https://code.launchpad.net/messagingmenu-extension
[18:14] <micahg> ochosi: I don't know if that's going to land this cycle
[18:14] <micahg> definitely for O
[18:14] <ochosi> ok
[18:15] <ochosi> would be really nice to have it this cycle but i guess it's already pretty late
[18:15] <micahg> actually, I shouldn't say definitely, but it's on the radar :)
[18:16] <ochosi> .9
[18:16] <ochosi> :)
[18:16] <ochosi> ok, i thought i might give it a try later in natty
[19:05] <jo-erlend> I'd like to learn how to write xfce4-panel applets using Python and PyGTK. Any recomendations?
[19:07] <ochosi> jo-erlend: hmyeah, first recommendation is to join #xfce and then try to get a voice in #xfce-dev
[19:07] <jo-erlend> #xfce tells me to ask in #xfce-dev and those are, as you say, moderated and I have no idea how to get voiced.
[19:08] <ochosi> you have to ask one of the people who can give you a voice, e.g. JPohlmann
[19:08] <mr_pouit> afaik, #xfce-dev isn't voiced anymore?
[19:08] <ochosi> no?
[19:09] <jo-erlend> you're right. They aren't moderated anymore. I guess I just gave up too early. :)
[19:09] <mr_pouit> anyway, it would require python bindings for xfce4-panel, and I don't think they are available (or up-to-date)
[19:10] <jo-erlend> heh... There's always something, isn't there.
[19:11] <jo-erlend> guess I can stick with gnome-panel for the time being. Shouldn't be too difficult to move them to xfce4-panel plugins later. But I really prefer the xfce4-panel to gnome-panel.


[06:09] <trevorj> Hey guys, how's the status on the HA juju charms for grizzly openstack going? Last time I tested it out, there were a couple things I had to change to get grizzly a-workin for a certain packages, but they worked very well ;)
[06:09] <trevorj> s/a certain/a few/
[07:43] <AskUbuntu> juju, dnsmasq and `.localdomain` | http://askubuntu.com/q/281628
[08:29] <AskUbuntu> Juju not seeing the MaaS slaves... at least not after some time? | http://askubuntu.com/q/281640
[11:13] <kirminas> Hey , maybe some of you could help. Thanks in advance http://askubuntu.com/questions/281640/juju-not-seeing-the-maas-slaves-at-least-not-after-some-time
[12:36] <kirminas>  Hey , maybe some of you could help. Thanks in advance http://askubuntu.com/questions/281640/juju-not-seeing-the-maas-slaves-at-least-not-after-some-time
[13:27] <sidnei> hazmat: environment snapshot alternative?
[14:03] <wedgwood> is the openstack provider expected to be working in juju-core?
[14:10] <wedgwood> I ask because I get an error when I try to bootstrap: 'error: secret-key: expected nothing, got "<the key>"'
[16:21] <wedgwood> mramm: is the openstack provider working in juju-core?
[16:22] <mramm> wedgwood: The basic openstack support is in, so you can deploy charms, add relationships, etc
[16:23] <wedgwood> mramm: when I try to bootstrap: 'error: secret-key: expected nothing, got "<the key>"'
[16:23] <wedgwood> I've copied over my (working) config from pyju
[16:23] <mramm> the config file has changed somewhat
[16:23] <mramm> and go juju does not accept some of the python keys
[16:24] <wedgwood> ah ok. I spit out the example, but I'm not sure I see where to plug in some of the values
[16:25] <mramm> ok
[16:25] <mramm> did you spit it out with juju generate-config -w
[16:25] <mgz> wedgwood: for this particular case, your issue is probably that keypair auth isn't in yet
[16:25] <mgz> you can use userpass auth for now
[16:26] <wedgwood> mgz: do you know if juju-core has been used against canonistack?
[16:27] <mramm> wedgwood: yes, it has
[16:27] <mramm> that was the first testing platform
[16:27] <mramm> there are some issues with not having available public IP addresses there
[16:28] <sidnei> wedgwood: last i heard it still requires a public ip address per machine, which makes it unusable with canonistack
[16:28] <mramm> there is a workaround
[16:28] <evilnickveitch> wedgwood, there is a funny glitch in the parsing that will give you an error for supplying the key value, even if you choose "userpass"
[16:29] <wedgwood> mramm: perhaps avoiding expose?
[16:29] <mramm> it is more than that, since juju core actually communicates between the agent and the server on the public ip addresses
[16:30] <wedgwood> anyone have notes? I'd like to give it a try.
[16:31] <wedgwood> if AWS is a path of less resistence, I can get started there, but I'd like to start trying things out in openstack
[17:33] <Erik_> Trying to deploy wordpress.  /var/lib/juju/units/wordpress-1/charm/hooks/config-changed failed with exit code 1.  The output of hook scripts get logged anywhere?
[17:40] <Erik_> I think `unit-get private-address` is failing.  Anyone know how I can lookup the CLIENT_ID so I can run `unit-get` from within the container?
[17:41] <sarnold> Erik_: check /var/log/juju -- iirc, there are logs in there..
[18:46] <ev> is there a known issue with pyjuju where it forever sits with "instance-id: pending" without actually creating an instance in openstack (lcy01)?
[18:46] <ev> It seems no matter how many times I try to create a three node cassandra cluster, this happens for third node. This wasn't always the case, though.
[18:47] <ev> and there it is: ProviderInteractionError: Unexpected 413: '{"overLimit": {"message": "SecurityGroupLimitExceeded: Quota exceeded, too many security groups.", "code": 413}}'
[18:47] <ev> apols, clearly that's on my end
[19:02] <sidnei> ev: indeed, but i think the failure mode could be improved. i also had similar issues where i had api quota exceeded or some other error that caused the instance to end up in ERROR state but show as pending in pyjuju.
[19:03] <ev> sidnei: *nods*
[19:03] <sidnei> by api quota exceeded i mean openstack's api rate limiting, where if you do too many api calls in sequence it forces you to back off
[19:05] <ev> oh interesting. I wasn't even aware that existed.
[19:06] <ev> I've always associated the error state with the canonistack node running out of free memory :)
[19:08] <sidnei> if you're a light user you might notice it, but if you do add-unit -n 15 or something more abusive. ;)
[19:18] <ev> heh
[19:19] <ev> canonistack tends to fall over long before I approach 15 units. It's great fun trying to run lp:error-tracker-deployment (~12 units).
[19:19] <sidnei> lol