[01:48] <Antisoche> Hi - I'm running Kubuntu 18.04. I recently installed updates and when I print from Inkscape or a test page from the Settings dialog, the CMYK colors look good but the RGB colors look awful. I think this got worse after I installed the updates but that may not be the case. However, when I print from GIMP (a GTK app) everything looks great. How would I go about debugging this?
[01:55] <valorie> wow, that's quite a specialized question
[01:56] <valorie> I guess I would ask in #kde if you really think it is a KDE issue
[02:08] <Antisoche> valorie: Thanks for the suggestion. I guess nobody here has seen similar problems?
 Hi, I want ask question, is it good idea to install kubuntu as DE from Ubuntu? … in my past time, i really use Kubuntu, but because some of difficulty using xrandr, i move to Ubuntu for now, but i really miss Kubuntu.
[02:11] <Antisoche> IrcsomeBot: what was your issue with xrandr? It's not specific to etiher DE
[02:18] <valorie> Antisoche: not that I've seen, no
[02:19] <valorie> @kusuma_loka if you had problems with xrandr in Kubuntu but not in Ubuntu, it's possible that it was one of your settings
[02:20] <valorie> best way to check that is to login with a new user
[02:20] <valorie> kubuntu isn't in charge of graphics settings and we don't adjust anything there
[02:20] <valorie> all set by the base system that we all share
 im using Core i3 4030u laptop … want to using external monitor alongside laptop  monitor for extended display … in kubuntu (17.xx) after i setting my seccond display using xrandr, second display colour is not calibrate corectly, so i move to ubuntu 17.xx, but cant setting anything because ubuntu 17.xx using wayland as default … when im using linux mint, it can run, but not consistent, sometime its freezing, sometime the disp
 my current difficulty to clean install kubuntu, because this my workstation, i didnt want to install all form scratch … so i want to try install kubuntu but from my running ubuntu as base
[02:30] <Antisoche> I think there's a package called kubuntu-desktop ...
[02:30] <valorie> that's certainly possible, but it won't be Kubuntu
[02:30] <valorie> !kubuntu-desktop
[02:31] <valorie> the main issue is collisions with gtk libraries and such
[02:31] <valorie> plus all those gnome apps
[02:32] <valorie> but if that's what you want, go for it
[02:32] <Antisoche> In the simplest case, though, if you just want to run KDE, you'll have that option.
 hmm, is ubuntu and kubuntu using different GTK Libraries or just different version?
 okay i will try, … hopefully nothing wrong can happen … its really painfull to reinstall from zero for your workstation, its not about data, but about all setting i must do again :(
[02:37] <valorie> we don't use gtk libraries at all
[02:37] <valorie> we use KDE frameworks which replaces the old KDElibs
[02:38] <valorie> if you love plasma, you'll get it
[02:38] <valorie> and you can install *any* application in the archive
[02:39] <valorie> not just KDE or gnome ones
 okay, i will try today,  … hopefully nothing bad is happen
 (Photo, 1001x559) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/IqS9I0Wz/file_8696.jpg okay, for first step, download, after work hours will try to login in KDE / Kubuntu
 one last question for now … is there any alternatif for shutter apps? … i really like shutter apps for screenshoot or screen clipping, but shutter not get update anymore, and running so slow
[02:44] <Antisoche> KDE's app is called Spectacle
 its kde native or i must install separately?
[02:46] <Antisoche> It's native, but I don't know if it comes by default.
 okay, i will try after finish install kubuntu
 thanks for your all support :)
[02:48] <valorie> @kusuma_loka if you like synaptic, you might like muon even more
[02:48] <valorie> :-)
 yes, thats true, in my last linux mint actually i install muon :D … but in ubuntu, because of hurry for workstation to ready, i just install synaptic
 okay, done. … i just try to setting xrandr, it work, but not instantly change my second screen resolution after i enter command, still need to enter setting to set resolution
 actually, kubuntu look more snappy than ubuntu … its totally different than i know in last 2 years when kubuntu is known for heavy than ubuntu
 something interesting, in my bottom panel, all widget is missing, i must manually add sound widget, notification widget, batery widget … but its all fun :D
 there is one bug maybe i can say … when i leave laptop in sleep mode, the second monitor become pixelated, after i unplug vga connector and plug in again, problem dissapear
 Anyone facing problem with energy saving screen off? … I have configured to display screen after some period of time if no activity but it eventually stopping to work. Can't understand what causing this. I have suspiction that it is related to waking from sleep. When laptop just rebooted it works ok. Even after forcing sleep and waking it works. But eventually it stops working.
[11:43] <zuribost> Hi everyone, after an update with apt-get, in the graphic mode my user has lost all the groups but, if I try in a simple terminal (Crtl + Alt + F1), the same user has the groups. Do anyone suffer this kind of bug ? I will appreciate any light to follo searching information
[11:59] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:08] <superdamien> how do u set nicksever
[20:09] <jack_montgomery[> Hi All, what are some good XMPP clients for KDE that are still under active development?
[20:10] <jack_montgomery[> My XMPP needs are pretty simple and I don't require a multi-protocol client.
[20:17] <jack_montgomery[> Noting that, I do use Matrix (via the nheko client) so a Matrix-XMPP bridge could be an option however, it looks like it is still in the early stages of development.
[20:17] <keithzg> jack_montgomery[: I think KTp is still technically maintained? Certainly it seems like some stuff in terms of integrations is still under active development, although the main client and library side of it very much doesn't seem to be.
[20:19] <keithzg> jack_montgomery[: In terms of an XMPP client that's "for" KDE (which I'm taking to mean is at least based on Qt, heh), I think Psi is still under quite active development.
[20:19] <keithzg> And yeah Matrix is pretty awesome, but the bridges do still leave something to be desired so far.
[20:21] <keithzg[m]> (I do use the Matrix-IRC bridge a lot! :D)
[20:30] <jack_montgomery[> keithzg[: awesome, thanks for the advice/answers, very useful and helpful!
[20:32] <keithzg> No problem :)
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[20:41] <bororb> is there anywhere i can see what kernel version future releases will use?
[20:43] <PaulfraOSAA> Does anybody else have problems with kwallet after upgrading?
[20:44] <PaulfraOSAA> It seems the version 5 tools cannot read the version 4 wallet, so now my wallet is locked.
[20:44] <PaulfraOSAA> When I enter the correct password, an error -9 comes up and my google fu seems to have failed me
[22:35] <kubuntu> hi everyone
[22:36] <Guest61592> ok my name changed


[13:40] <Kolus> any of the bug / dev team in the room this morning?
[13:59] <Kolus> for anyone following in this channel only, I posted this in #Ubuntu, but here is an issue  --> When using some streaming with Firefox, I'm getting a slight "buzz" sound coming from the system (read: speakers) and a small bit of pixelation along a narrow line across the top border of the window.  Occasionally, on my HDMI output, I'll also get large blocks of colored bits until I move the...
[13:59] <Kolus> ...screen, then it may refresh back to normal or the bits will reappear.  The large bits are usually found when I open Blender on the HDMI monitor, but if I move it to the SVGA monitor, I only have screen jumps and some refresh issues.
[17:03] <padv> Can somebody reopen linux-goldfish (Ubuntu) task of LP #1256822 please


[10:20] <qense> hello
[18:49] <qense> nand: Do you think using the __autoload function <http://nl.php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.autoload.php> would be a good idea?
[18:50] <qense> for UW of course
[18:51] <nand> qense: One friend use it on a project, but I didn't like it that much... But that's useful, yeah
[18:51]  * nand gogo dinner
[18:51] <qense> ok
[18:51] <qense> have a nice dinner :)
[18:52] <qense> maybe it would be better to not use it and keep complet control of the included classes
[19:18] <nand> it's really up to you :)
[19:18] <nand> qense: so how's the project going?
[19:19] <qense> I was busy with school during the last week, but am now working again at reorganizing the code to make it easier to work with (in my eyes). There are still some things from Brainstorm that were left and I want to use proper models, the things I've written so far weren't that consistent.
[19:20] <nand> ok, yeah, better to reorganize and tidy thing a bit first before going deep into development!
[19:21] <qense> yeah
[19:21] <qense> You should do things right from the beginning, otherwise you'll be sorry later on.
[19:22] <qense> It notice how important well designed code is when doing some maintenance on the website of school written by two other pupils previously. It's horrible to extend.
[19:25] <nand> maintainability of code is a very important thing indeed!
[19:26] <qense> yeah
[19:26] <nand> Or you can easily spend hours to correct design mistakes
[19:26] <qense> I'm learning important lessons here. :) useful for alter
[19:26] <qense> later*
[19:27] <qense> Do you think a separate user model is needed or does Drupal has already got a mechanism for retrieving user data?
[19:50] <nand> qense: if you mean attaching custom data to users, you need to create your own tables.
[19:50] <nand> otherwise you can load and search users with user_load
[19:51] <qense> ok, that will probably do fine. Thanks! :)
[19:51] <nand> Drupal API doc is difficult to find, but useful. Be patient :)
[19:51] <nand> or just read the source code :)
[19:52] <qense> the API doc works great, most of the times typing the functions in the firefox address bar works fine, just like the PHP documentation


[00:27] <sofastrangler> cool
[19:01] <OvenWerks> well when I started on -controls and -installer part of that was because I got to a place in my Ardouor work that was too difficult at the time. Basically I had to make a new widget out of a small group of widgets. So I finally got back at it... and about a week later it seems to be working. Still lots of tweaking to do, but it works well.
[19:02]  * OvenWerks is happy...
[20:50] <Eickmeyer> SWEET!
[22:03] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: Ardour 6.0 will have a whole foldback (stage monitor) section. Which most people will not see :)  Just those who use Ardour ro mix live shows.


[04:52] <dlPhreak> Maaz: tell nlsthzn To clean up irssi a bit more, you might need a few scripts. One in particular that you will find on the irssi scripts list called nm.pl keeps nicknames aligned.
[04:52] <Maaz> dlPhreak: Okay, I'll tell nlsthzn on freenode
[06:23] <paddatrapper> Morning everyone
[06:33] <theblazehen72> Hi all
[06:49] <dlPhreak> Morning paddatrapper and theblazehen
[06:49] <dlPhreak> 72..
[06:49] <theblazehen> No 72 any more
[06:49]  * theblazehen needs to work on a HA solution for irc client
[06:51] <paddatrapper> Hey dlPhreak, theblazehen
[06:51] <theblazehen> hi paddatrapper
[06:55] <Kilos> morning paddatrapper theblazehen dlPhreak inetpro and everyone else
[06:55] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[07:03] <Langjan> Hi Kilos jy't vandag laat geslaap ne, lekker koud!
[07:04] <Kilos> hi Langjan ja
[07:04] <Kilos> hoe gaan dit daar
[07:05] <Langjan> Goed dankie, ook in die koue by my dogter in Centurion, oppad na VTM. En met jou?
[07:08] <Kilos> ek is ok dankie , julle moet mooi ry
[07:08] <Kilos> waar is VTM
[07:08] <Langjan> Dankie. Hoeveel dae nog?
[07:08] <Langjan> Kyk jou e-pos
[07:08] <Kilos> sal so maak
[07:08] <Kilos> 7 dae
[07:09] <Kilos> hehe
[07:09] <Langjan> Lekker, sien seker baie uit
[07:09] <Langjan> hoe voel jy gesondhidsgewys?
[07:10] <Kilos> gister was sleg, prostaat eine weer en bors pein
[07:10] <Langjan> ai
[07:10] <Kilos> maar vandag is als normaal weer lyk my
[07:11] <Kilos> en daai mooti van jou brand my tong nog steeds
[07:11] <Kilos> hehe
[07:11] <Langjan> sterkte vir jou, hoop jy voel beter
[07:11] <Kilos> dankie oom
[07:11] <Langjan> Hou die druppels vir wanneer jy verkoue of infeksie kry, dan looi jy hom vnnig en elke 2 uur
[07:12] <Langjan> Voortrekkermonument
[07:13] <Langjan> Boek oor my groot-tante Nonnie de la Rey
[07:16] <Kilos> dankie
[07:17] <Langjan> As jy jou tas wil "wrap" - dit kos baie by lughawe maar as jy 'n rol "cling wrap" koop en dit self doen spaar jy baie en het jy nog oor vir volgende keer
[07:19] <Kilos> aha
[07:20] <Kilos> danki vir daai info
[07:21] <Langjan> My plesier, en maak seker van Oz se doeaneregulasies, hulle is neuroties
[07:26] <Kilos> lol ja ek hoor so, sal net klere vat
[07:31] <magespawn> good morning
[07:37] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[07:46] <calhax> Morning
[07:46] <Kilos> hi calhax
[08:30] <paddatrapper> hey Kilos
[08:54] <calhax> how are you today Kilos
[08:58] <dlPhreak> I want to switch to zsh, is anyone using it?
[09:03] <Kilos> im ok ty calhax and you?
[09:22] <theblazehen> dlPhreak Yeah, I am
[09:25] <theblazehen> dlPhreak https://asciinema.home.theblazehen.com/a/b4zmuh0tiq9gbnjrymxedj5su
[09:26] <dlPhreak> theblazehen: Is it an easy switch from bash or are there stuff I will need to get used to?
[09:27] <theblazehen> dlPhreak the base config is a little bare. How much customization do you want? Enough to want to use plugins etc, or just a simple config?
[09:27] <theblazehen> dlPhreak https://github.com/elves/elvish might want to check here too. Some differences though
[09:29] <dlPhreak> theblazehen: your setup looks pretty epic.
[09:29] <theblazehen> dlPhreak ty :)
[09:30] <dlPhreak> I just want to get the feel of another shell. I have tried csh a while back but never got into it.
[09:31] <theblazehen> dlPhreak if you want a little different, but still not too far off, I suggest elvish, xonsh, and xiki
[09:31] <theblazehen> In that order
[09:31] <theblazehen> xiki is rather different
[09:44] <dlPhreak> theblazehen: are those plugins?
[09:44] <theblazehen> dlPhreak which? Those that I mentioned in chat or in video? Ones in chat are different shells
[09:45] <dlPhreak> theblazehen: in chat
[09:46] <theblazehen> Yeah, fully alternative shells. I like elvish, but it doesn't do color in prompt nor multi line prompts. Xonsh had some issues that I would have liked, and xiki is too different for me
[09:46] <theblazehen> I think for most elvish is great, just re map the ^L for location to something else, so that you can still clear the diplay
[09:48] <dlPhreak> Oh cool. I'll give them a try. I don't really want anything too fancy.
[09:49] <theblazehen> In that case elvish is great
[09:49] <theblazehen> One thing that might be slight issue is the color of rprompt background
[09:50] <theblazehen> In edit/style.go you can change the color
[09:51] <theblazehen> Uses the terminal escape codes for color, so what `tput setab $num` would use
[09:59] <dlPhreak> theblazehen: I'm going to need some help getting set up..
[10:00] <theblazehen> dlPhreak for elvish?
[10:00] <theblazehen> Or which?
[10:01] <dlPhreak> yeah elvish
[10:01] <theblazehen> Sure, just give me 10 min. Gonna go grab some food
[10:03] <theblazehen> dlPhreak https://tmate.io/ might be easy if you're cool with that
[10:03] <theblazehen> Maybe lets move to pm
[10:10] <dlPhreak> theblazehen: it's cool. I'll first try on my own.
[11:42] <chesedo> afternoon all
[11:46] <chesedo> Kilos: we are in big trouble...
[11:48] <magespawn> chesedo: ?
[11:48] <chesedo> magespawn: Kilos and I had to sent out notification and reminders for tonight's meeting
[11:49] <Kilos> oh my chesedo
[11:49] <Kilos> uh oh
[11:51]  * chesedo has now created g+ event
[11:51]  * Kilos send list reminder
[11:51] <Kilos> sent
[11:52] <chesedo> whoo hoo!
[11:52] <chesedo> now just twitter left
[11:52]  * chesedo chuckles
[11:52] <Kilos> im on wrong pc to do that
[11:53] <Kilos> inetpro you the tweet guy today
[11:53] <Kilos> i gotta go do some farm work
[11:57]  * chesedo is also back to books
[12:05] <magespawn> damn is that tonight? i wanted to get my wiki page setup before this meeting
[12:07]  * magespawn goes to sort that out
[12:10] <nlsthzn> o/ so meeting tonight *yawn*
[12:10] <Maaz> nlsthzn: By the way, dlPhreak on freenode told me "tell nlsthzn To clean up irssi a bit more, you might need a few scripts. One in particular that you will find on the irssi scripts list called nm.pl keeps nicknames aligned." 7 hours, 17 minutes and 50 seconds ago
[12:10] <nlsthzn> dlPhreak: cheers, I think nm.pl will be the FIRST script that I need to use :D
[12:45] <theblazehen> "A SQL query walks into a bar and sees two tables. He walks up to them and says 'Can I join you?'" heh
[12:48] <dlPhreak> theblazehen: lol such a beautiful union..
[12:52] <nlsthzn> well so far nm does not seem to work for me?!
[12:52] <nlsthzn> ah or is it
[12:52] <nlsthzn> so I guess it is, nevermind :p
[12:54] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos-
[12:54] <Kilos-> hi nlsthzn
[13:32] <Kilos-> chesedo tweet done
[13:47] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy
[13:48] <Kilos> Maaz announce Monthly meeting tonight everyone. be here or else!
[13:48] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! Monthly meeting tonight everyone. be here or else
[13:53] <thatgraemeguy> oh hi
[14:12] <nlsthzn> suo
[14:12] <nlsthzn> sup even
[14:21]  * nlsthzn has configurated this irssi a tad... so far so good
[14:24] <Kilos> haha
[14:45]  * nlsthzn googles like a boss, now I have even set up keybindings and all manner of things... and when I have to do it again in future I will have to google it again >.<
[14:55] <chesedo> theblazehen82: I used to read a page here on a regular basic just for fun -> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/234075/what-is-your-best-programmer-joke
[15:06] <Kilos> Maaz seen superfly
[15:06] <Maaz> Kilos: superfly was last seen 1 day, 31 minutes and 57 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-08-22 07:34:42 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2016-08-11 15:35:36 PDT
[15:06] <Kilos> Maaz seen inetpro
[15:06] <Maaz> Kilos: inetpro was last seen 3 hours, 13 minutes and 6 seconds ago in private on freenode [2016-08-23 04:53:41 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2016-08-21 06:32:21 PDT
[15:07] <Kilos> wow i missed him
[15:07] <Kilos> one modem for 2 pcs doesnt work
[15:07] <Kilos> and im not going to go the share connection route again
[16:23] <nlsthzn> need a router
[16:24] <nlsthzn> one connection to internet and all devices share internets
[16:24] <Kilos> i have 2 here , but they not lekker things
[16:24] <Kilos> everything is slower
[16:27] <nlsthzn> obviously there is still a limit on the speed and more users = less bandwidth per user :p
[16:50] <Kilos> quicker for me to just move the modem
[16:50] <Kilos> but missing things is a pain
[17:48] <SEptic> ey ppl
[17:49] <Kilos> hi SEptic
[17:49] <SEptic> hey Kilos
[17:49] <SEptic> got your boomerang packed yet?
[17:49] <Kilos> you also watch too many movies
[17:50] <Kilos> half a case to pack still
[17:50] <SEptic> ah good stuff
[17:57]  * superfly stays himself in after a very full day
[17:57] <superfly> *drags
[17:58] <superfly> Stupid autocarrot
[17:58] <Kilos> eish
[17:58] <nlsthzn> could someone ping me (testing :p)
[17:58] <Kilos> you gonna last till meeting time superfly
[17:58] <superfly> nlsthzn: ping
[17:58] <Kilos> nlsthzn pingt
[17:58] <Kilos> haha
[17:58] <superfly> Kilos I'll try
[17:58] <nlsthzn> ah thanks
[17:59] <nlsthzn> got a way to see notifications showing always in irssi
[17:59]  * superfly is on his phone
[17:59] <nlsthzn> don't have any audible que however
[17:59] <nlsthzn> *cue
[17:59] <Kilos> aw nlsthzn that sucks
[17:59] <nlsthzn> work in progress :p
[17:59] <Kilos> means you must be watching screen
[18:00] <SEptic> Maaz coffee on
[18:00]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[18:00] <Kilos> without audio alerts i would be lost
[18:00] <SEptic> couldn't help it :P
[18:00] <Kilos> Maaz coffee please
[18:00] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[18:00] <nlsthzn> Maaz: tea please
[18:00] <Maaz> As soon as the kettle boils nlsthzn I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already
[18:00] <SEptic> haha
[18:01]  * nlsthzn listens to defcon radio like a good little sciptkiddie
[18:03] <magespawn> sciptkiddei? is that something new? lol
[18:03] <magespawn> typo on my side as well
[18:03] <SEptic> say no to scipt-drugs nlsthzn
[18:04] <williamk> Hi all
[18:04] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for SEptic and Kilos!
[18:04] <Kilos> Maaz danke
[18:04] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[18:04] <SEptic> Maaz thanks
[18:04] <Maaz> SEptic: Sure
[18:04] <nlsthzn> ok ok lack of space - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Script_kiddie
[18:05] <nlsthzn> it happens
[18:06] <magespawn> hey nlsthzn just having a bit of fun
[18:08] <Kilos> so chesedo are you ready?
[18:09] <chesedo> Kilos: yes
[18:09] <Kilos> yay
[18:12] <nlsthzn> crap, wonder why I wasn't pinged that time :/
[18:12] <nlsthzn> must be cause I am on the same channel still
[18:12] <nlsthzn> hmmm
[18:13]  * nlsthzn could be playing games rather than this
[18:13] <nlsthzn> :p
[18:13] <Kilos> eish
[18:13] <SEptic> lol
[18:15] <magespawn> Kilos I will have to miss the meeting please extend my apologies
[18:16] <Kilos> ok magespawn
[18:16] <Kilos> pity you cant login first
[18:16] <magespawn> i am still working on my wiki page, for ubuntu membership, that was brought up last time.
[18:17] <andrewlsd> ping
[18:17] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd
[18:18] <andrewlsd> hi Kilos
[18:19] <magespawn> right good night all
[18:19] <chesedo> lol, magespawn don't worry...
[18:19] <SEptic> night
[18:19] <chesedo> night
[18:24] <andrewlsd> what time is meeting?
[18:25] <chesedo> andrewlsd:  8.30
[18:25] <andrewlsd> ty chesedo
[18:25] <nlsthzn> gmt+4
[18:25] <nlsthzn> ^_^
[18:25] <andrewlsd> X-)
[18:26] <chesedo> nlsthzn: -2¹
[18:26] <nlsthzn> that makes no sense
[18:27] <chesedo> gmt+4-2¹ = gmt+2
[18:27] <nlsthzn> ah yes... my bad... I am +4 >.<
[18:27]  * chesedo still has some calculus running through his head
[18:27] <andrewlsd>  where are the meeting minutes? I looked at http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-za/meetings/history/
[18:27] <andrewlsd> and that only has 2015
[18:28] <chesedo> andrewlsd: last meeting @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20160726#Summary
[18:29] <andrewlsd> thanks. I got that loco link by clicking on get involved.
[18:29] <andrewlsd> also just found the recent minutes. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings
[18:29] <chesedo> all ready??
[18:30] <FusionSparc> Yip
[18:30] <chesedo> Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu Monthly Meeting - August 2016
[18:30]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:30] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction
[18:30] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction
[18:30] <chesedo> A hearty welcome to all and thanks for joining in on out monthly meeting
[18:30] <chesedo> s/out/our/
[18:30] <chesedo> Our bot maaz does the minutes as usual so please introduce yourself to it using `Maaz: I am <firstname lastname>` eg.
[18:30] <chesedo> Maaz: I am Pieter Engelbrecht
[18:30] <Maaz> chesedo: Yessir
[18:31] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[18:31] <Maaz> inetpro: Yessir
[18:31] <SEptic> Maaz: I am Matthew Thompson
[18:31] <Maaz> SEptic: Righto
[18:31] <williamk> Maaz: I am William Kinghorn
[18:31] <Maaz> williamk: Done
[18:31] <chesedo> Today's agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20160823
[18:31] <nlsthzn> Maaz: I am a willards cheese curl
[18:31] <zaki> Maaz: I am Zaki Chowdhury
[18:31] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Sure
[18:31] <Maaz> zaki: Done
[18:31] <FusionSparc> Maaz: I am JG du Preez
[18:31] <Maaz> FusionSparc: Sure
[18:31] <chesedo> the agenda is quite short so any last minute addition are welcome
[18:32] <Kilos> Maaz  I am Miles Sharpe
[18:32] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[18:32] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[18:32] <andrewlsd> Maaz: I am Andrew Mac
[18:32] <Maaz> andrewlsd: Sure
[18:32] <chesedo> all happy with the agenda
[18:32]  * nlsthzn is here for the free food, agenda's are optional
[18:32] <inetpro> hi everyone... oh and hi Kilos
[18:33] <Kilos> lol
[18:33] <chesedo> nlsthzn: think you could be passed over the net... i am looking for a snack
[18:33] <nlsthzn> just give me access to your box via ssh and we see what we can do ;)
[18:33]  * inetpro lurking again
[18:34]  * nlsthzn sees a lurking inetpro
[18:34] <FusionSparc> lol
[18:34]  * andrewlsd sees nlsthzn seeing inetpro lurking
[18:34] <chesedo> nlsthzn: preferably with a wooden bowl...
[18:34] <nlsthzn> bandwidth permitting
[18:34] <andrewlsd> chesedo: I have never used a wooden bowl shell before.
[18:34] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed No one raised issue with agenda
[18:34] <Maaz> Agreed: No one raised issue with agenda
[18:35] <andrewlsd> wbs
[18:35] <chesedo> andrewlsd: no, to hold the chips...
[18:35] <Kilos> hi Kapanda
[18:36] <Kapanda> Hi Kilos
[18:36] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Review minutes of previous meeting
[18:36] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review minutes of previous meeting
[18:36] <chesedo> minutes of the previous meeting is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20160726
[18:36] <chesedo> Feel free to go through it for a refresher
[18:37] <williamk> Hi Kapanda
[18:37] <chesedo> overall i think this has been a slow month with all previous 'tasks' still outstanding...
[18:38] <nlsthzn> I see I was there...
[18:38] <chesedo> all also happy with previous minutes?
[18:38] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:38] <Maaz> superfly: Alrighty
[18:38] <Kapanda> Hi williamk
[18:38] <inetpro> slow month? I thought it was just me
[18:38] <nlsthzn> I am moderately satisfied with the minutes
[18:38]  * chesedo has been too busy with studies, to have taken care of his tasks
[18:38] <superfly> Um, my month is anything but slow.
[18:38] <Kilos> hi williamk
[18:39] <Kilos> nice to see you here
[18:39] <chesedo> lol, thanks nlsthzn
[18:39] <FusionSparc> Nope...month does not want to end..
[18:39] <nlsthzn> superfly: America or bust
[18:39] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed All happy with previous minutes
[18:39] <Maaz> Agreed: All happy with previous minutes
[18:39] <chesedo> the only issue there is that the chair called it Aug's meeting by mistake...
[18:40] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Plans for 2016
[18:40] <Maaz> Current Topic: Plans for 2016
[18:40] <nlsthzn> I call for a mistrail
[18:40] <superfly> nlsthzn: dude, you have no idea... At least the US are on the ball. Kids' passports in less than 2 weeks.
[18:40] <nlsthzn> mistrial even
[18:40] <Kapanda> I am happy
[18:40] <nlsthzn> passports or visa's?
[18:40] <williamk> Hi Kilos
[18:40] <superfly> Now to fight home affairs
[18:40] <nlsthzn> glhf
[18:40] <chesedo> Anyone needing help with membership, launchpad ID, etc?
[18:41] <superfly> nlsthzn: passports, they are Americans
[18:41] <nlsthzn> oh ok
[18:41] <superfly> Oh yes.
[18:41] <nlsthzn> pesky americans
[18:41] <chesedo> Kilos: i think mage's wiki page and testimonies will carry to next meeting?
[18:41] <FusionSparc> chesedo, I'd have to check those,havnt logged in for some time..
[18:41]  * andrewlsd sees nlsthzn playing that trump card again.
[18:41]  * nlsthzn had some interactions with ubuntu councils, yet again nothing good came from it
[18:41] <superfly> nlsthzn: I'm tell you more later
[18:42] <chesedo> oh ok FusionSparc, which one?
[18:42] <nlsthzn> then again, it might have been two months ago
[18:42] <nlsthzn> superfly: k
[18:42] <FusionSparc> think the Launchpad ID
[18:42] <Kapanda> Yes I need membership certificate
[18:43] <superfly> So who is chairing?
[18:43] <chesedo> sesioned users help ^^ inetpro Kilos superfly nlsthzn
[18:43] <andrewlsd> chairing is caring.
[18:44] <superfly> chesedo: sessioned or seasoned?
[18:44] <FusionSparc> Nvm, just logged in..Launchpad ID still good.. :)
[18:44] <chesedo> FusionSparc: login issue, missing...?
[18:44] <chesedo> oh ok
[18:44]  * superfly doesn't know what sessioned means
[18:44] <nlsthzn> I am very sessioned
[18:44]  * andrewlsd thinks seasoned.
[18:45] <chesedo> Kapanda: Have you gone thru the details yet -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[18:45] <Kilos> nlsthzn get me involved with councils, ive made some friends there, so maybe we can sort something
[18:45] <FusionSparc> lol, nlsthzn . How long does your sessioned period last?
[18:45] <Kilos> chesedo add new member to that link
[18:45] <nlsthzn> FusionSparc: that is a very personal question :/
[18:45] <chesedo> superfly: depends on whether you are a summer or spice guy..:P
[18:46] <FusionSparc> lol, got it...
[18:46] <superfly> Well, sessioned would be neither
[18:46] <nlsthzn> Kilos: nah , it all good... once bit etc.
[18:46] <nlsthzn> FusionSparc: :p
[18:46] <Kilos> nono
[18:46] <chesedo> superfly: lol yea that too
[18:46] <superfly> But now I have a new word in my dictionary
[18:46] <Kilos> never accept defeat
[18:46] <Kapanda> Yeah, a bit much I always miss their meetings.
[18:46] <chesedo> Kilos: which link?
[18:47] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership with new member at the end i think
[18:47] <nlsthzn> I don't care and won't do anything for ubuntu again (except troll this meeting)
[18:47] <Kilos> ask inetpro
[18:47] <Kilos> nlsthzn the whole of ubuntu cant be blamed for a few peeps decisions
[18:47] <chesedo> Oh this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/NewMember
[18:47] <Kilos> ya
[18:48] <nlsthzn> Kilos: the core is rotten, the rest of the system corrupted even if it doesn't know it
[18:48] <Kilos> getting membership isnt simple
[18:48] <inetpro> ssshhh... I'm trying to watch top chef :-)
[18:48] <inetpro> oops
[18:48] <Kilos> nope nlsthzn
[18:49] <Kilos> people are just too hot headed
[18:49]  * nlsthzn closes the hatches, DIVE DIVE DIVE
[18:49]  * nlsthzn is a submarine
[18:49] <superfly> nlsthzn: are you yellow, by any chance?
[18:49] <chesedo> so I can go ahead and add Kapanda's membership application to our trello?
[18:50] <nlsthzn> only on the outside superfly
[18:50] <superfly> And filled with a 4 man band from the  60's
[18:50] <Kapanda> Please.
[18:50] <chesedo> update on the ubuntu for africa site: i still need to contact kulelu88
[18:51] <nlsthzn> superfly: only three now
[18:51] <andrewlsd> nlsthzn: did you use to contribute to "Ubuntu Weekly"?
[18:51] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed To add Kapanda's membership to our trello task list
[18:51] <Maaz> Agreed: To add Kapanda's membership to our trello task list
[18:51] <nlsthzn> long time ago andrewlsd
[18:51]  * andrewlsd googled
[18:51] <nlsthzn> but when my work blocked everything my contributions where limites
[18:51] <nlsthzn> *limited
[18:52] <andrewlsd> k.
[18:52] <Kilos> chesedo huh
[18:52] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed chesedo needs to contact kulelu88 for Ubuntu for Hope website...
[18:52] <Maaz> Agreed: chesedo needs to contact kulelu88 for Ubuntu for Hope website
[18:52] <andrewlsd> hence the vpn over icmp discussions with theblazehen82 earlier.
[18:52] <Kilos> kuleloo about the africa site
[18:52] <chesedo> Kilos: sorry get confused after long day...
[18:53] <Kilos> whew
[18:53] <Kilos> id say
[18:53] <chesedo> Ubuntu for Hope site...
[18:53] <Kilos> haha
[18:53] <chesedo> Kilos: answer to mage's application?
[18:53]  * chesedo looking to move meeting along
[18:53] <Kilos> well next month then
[18:53] <chesedo> Kilos: ok
[18:53] <Kilos> why you think he left
[18:54] <Kilos> he ducking
[18:54] <Kilos> also playing submarine
[18:54] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed To discuss testimonies for magespawn's membership at next meeting
[18:54] <Maaz> Agreed: To discuss testimonies for magespawn's membership at next meeting
[18:54] <Kapanda> How is the Ubuntu for Hope coming along.
[18:54]  * chesedo hopes sometimes that he is not chair so that he can too
[18:54] <Kilos> haha
[18:54] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Events
[18:54] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[18:55] <Kilos> hard luck chesedo
[18:55] <chesedo> yea
[18:55] <andrewlsd> chesedo: Software Freedom Day should be coming up soon
[18:55] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[18:55] <pavlushka> Maaz: I am S. M. Pavel Sayekat
[18:55] <Maaz> pavlushka: Righto
[18:55] <chesedo> we did not have any for the past month right?
[18:55] <Kilos> no irc client anymore
[18:55] <chesedo> oh yes, when andrewlsd
[18:55] <chesedo> ?
[18:55] <Vince-0> Maaz: I am Vincent Swart
[18:55] <Maaz> Vince-0: Okay
[18:56] <andrewlsd> chesedo: me googles.
[18:56] <andrewlsd> http://sfd.org.za
[18:56] <chesedo> ag, another submarine...
[18:56] <Kilos> my main event happens in 7 days time
[18:56] <andrewlsd> usually kmf knows
[18:57] <andrewlsd> should be 17th or 24th Sept. not sure which
[18:57] <chesedo> andrewlsd: last year he started planning in June if i have it correct?
[18:57] <chesedo> Kilos: aus?
[18:57] <Kilos> yyip
[18:58] <chesedo> Kilos: hope you will still visit the chan??
[18:58] <Kilos> but i will visit here time allowing
[18:58] <andrewlsd> chesedo: you are probably correct re planning
[18:58] <Kilos> this is my home
[18:58] <chesedo> Kilos: great!
[18:59] <Kilos> just be 9 hours ahead of you
[18:59] <chesedo> andrewlsd: is he the organizer this year?
[18:59] <andrewlsd> according to softwarefreedomday.org it is 17 Sept.
[18:59] <Kilos> so ill say night when you all are waking up
[18:59] <andrewlsd> chesedo: I have no idea.
[18:59] <chesedo> ok will add that to the next agenda andrewlsd
[19:00]  * inetpro is back
[19:00] <andrewlsd> chesedo: if it hasn't already been planned then it probably won't happen.
[19:00] <inetpro> chesedo: what did I miss?
[19:00] <chesedo> Maaz: idea At SFD (17 Sept) to next meeting's agenda
[19:00] <Maaz> Idea recorded: At SFD (17 Sept) to next meeting's agenda
[19:00]  * pavlushka thinking of how to make up ubuntu-bd.org
[19:00] <chesedo> inetpro: the concord to your membership application... :P
[19:00] <inetpro> andrewlsd: can you talk to kmf perhaps?
[19:01] <andrewlsd> inetpro: finding my phone to telegram him
[19:01] <chesedo> There is not any release parties planned for 16.10 that i know too?
[19:02] <inetpro> can't imagine kmf skipping the SFD event
[19:02] <andrewlsd> inetpro: chesedo I'll have to check with kmf tomorrow. It's a bit late to ping  him now.
[19:02] <chesedo> andrewlsd: np
[19:03] <superfly> These hippies and their early nights...
[19:03] <chesedo> andrewlsd: if it is still on, will you send detail on mailing list?
[19:03] <Kilos> hehe
[19:04] <andrewlsd> chesedo: yes
[19:04]  * chesedo is already half way to sleep too
[19:04] <andrewlsd> superfly: lol
[19:04] <chesedo> all happy if i move on to Misc?
[19:04] <Kilos> ya
[19:04] <andrewlsd> chesedo: yes
[19:04] <FusionSparc> yes
[19:04] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Miscellaneous
[19:04] <Maaz> Current Topic: Miscellaneous
[19:05] <chesedo> Kilos: any update on lug involvement?
[19:05]  * chesedo thinks we discussed it at last meeting...
[19:05] <Kilos> not a word from lugs
[19:06] <Kilos> write them off for now unless you have time to approach them again
[19:06] <Kilos> williamk might have some feedback from durbs
[19:06] <Kapanda> lugs have gone quite for a while
[19:06] <inetpro> Kilos: you must have a safe flight, enjoy the ride of your life and I hope we see you back here in good spirit again next month... oh and obviously saying hi here in between as well
[19:06] <Kilos> 3 months
[19:06] <chesedo> "write off" as in remove from agenda's?
[19:06] <Kilos> ty for the wishes though
[19:07] <andrewlsd> chesedo: slack seems to be quite popular atm. lots of tech peeps there (related to lugs)
[19:07] <andrewlsd> chesedo: e.g zatech.co.za
[19:07] <Kilos> inetpro ^^ about lugs
[19:07]  * andrewlsd thinks to remove lugs from agend
[19:07] <pavlushka> we bd guys need some help on how to make up our ubuntu-bd.org
[19:07]  * andrewlsd thinks to remove lugs from agenda
[19:07] <chesedo> wow > 1000 members there...
[19:08] <inetpro> 1000 members? Yikes!
[19:08] <inetpro> that must be difficult to follow
[19:09] <williamk> Kilos - Don't know what is happening with DbnLUG, maybe Vince-0 can comment
[19:09] <Kilos> if lugs dont have time to be involved with us it is their loss
[19:09] <chesedo> pavlushka: with what specificlly?
[19:09] <Kilos> Vince-0 and williamk are the only ones here
[19:10] <pavlushka> what should be the procedure, the domain is ubuntu-bd.org and we can manage a host, but what is the official procedure?
[19:10] <chesedo> and then we also take ages to get to their programs...
[19:11] <SEptic> who was looking for sponsors to host some page the other day?
[19:11] <Vince-0> Nort ey, nothing on going
[19:11] <chesedo> any new info about how an education project will work williamk Kapanda?
[19:12] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed To remove lug's involvement from agendas
[19:12] <Maaz> Agreed: To remove lug's involvement from agendas
[19:12] <chesedo> pavlushka: i have no idea...
[19:12] <Kapanda> I was thinking we should build one.
[19:12] <chesedo> superfly: you should know^^^
[19:13] <chesedo> Kapanda: wasn't there something about being certified at the last discussion?
[19:13] <Kapanda> where is it going to be hosted
[19:14] <williamk> Kapanda : is your email still the same, I see that you moved
[19:14] <chesedo> Kapanda: physically?
[19:14] <Kapanda> Yes, I was thinking Ubuntu supplies that or we can come up with the certification
[19:14] <Kapanda> @ yes
[19:14] <Kapanda> @ williamk
[19:15] <andrewlsd> Kapanda: what certification (I missed the previous discussion)
[19:15] <Kilos> ai! another tweeter
[19:15] <andrewlsd> Kapanda: (so tl;dr version)
[19:15] <Kilos> Kapanda we dont need @ here
[19:15] <FusionSparc> yes, what does the certification entitle?
[19:15] <andrewlsd> s/entitle/entail/ ?
[19:15] <andrewlsd> ^ probably entitle and entail.
[19:16] <FusionSparc> hehe...that one..
[19:16] <FusionSparc> long day..:/
[19:16] <andrewlsd> fyi, RH certification has NQF-level points now.
[19:16] <andrewlsd> not sure if that is what you were aiming at.
[19:17] <chesedo> a summary from my side (as i remember): is having a computer usage education project that is not just aimed at Ubuntu(linux)...
[19:18] <Kapanda> yep NQF
[19:18] <chesedo> in was mostly born/related to Kapanda's book project of last year
[19:18] <andrewlsd> interesting stat I saw today re internet traffic. Nigeria and ZA have highest percentage of their countries total internet traffic (web-browsing) being consumed via mobile devices.
[19:18] <andrewlsd> ... ^ bring on Ubuntu phone.
[19:19]  * andrewlsd would love to see that as a project in ZA
[19:19] <inetpro> if only our we could have real uncapped bandwidth in this country
[19:19] <chesedo> Kapanda: do you know the procedure needed for a NQF cert?
[19:20] <chesedo> andrewlsd: yip, that would be something...
[19:20] <inetpro> and with that I mean uncapped wireless data
[19:21] <andrewlsd> that stat I saw was at ubuntu-bd.org
[19:21] <Kapanda> I was looking into it, while back. I will check and send an email
[19:21]  * chesedo can remember something his brother had to do in school (externally) a few years ago that might already be certified...
[19:22] <chesedo> Kapanda: ok
[19:22] <andrewlsd> inetpro: Most non-video stuff fits within 5GB/month.
[19:22] <inetpro> andrewlsd: no ways
[19:22] <andrewlsd> correction. that stat I saw was at  https://www.techcentral.co.za/how-tulutulu-could-disrupt-african-media/67810/
[19:22] <andrewlsd> sorry about the copy-paste faile
[19:23] <andrewlsd> inetpro: only Showmax nukes me past 5GB
[19:23] <chesedo> yip, with video we are 30-45GB a month...
[19:23] <andrewlsd> inetpro: only Showmax nukes me past 5GB (and youtube)
[19:23] <inetpro> 5GB per month is never enough for a whole family, not even 20GB is enough
[19:23] <andrewlsd> inetpro: ? 5GB is a lot of text.
[19:24] <andrewlsd> so to use 5GB/person must involve some sort of media streaming.
[19:24] <FusionSparc> We do 150Gb a month, and thats just streaming and browsing...Data goes fast.. :/
[19:24] <andrewlsd> (not that media-streaming is an unusual useage of data)
[19:24]  * andrewlsd always sets video streams to 360p
[19:25] <chesedo> last update for misc is that the trello cleanup has at least not gone backwards this month (nor forwards either)
[19:25] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:25] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:25] <Kilos> lol
[19:25]  * andrewlsd would use more data if he had a faster link, for FHD video.
[19:25] <Kilos> chesedo +1
[19:25] <chesedo> Anyone that would like the magic wand in the next meeting?
[19:25] <andrewlsd> chesedo +1
[19:26] <andrewlsd> when is the next emeting
[19:26] <FusionSparc> chesedo +1
[19:26] <andrewlsd> s/emeting/meeting/
[19:26] <inetpro> chesedo: +1
[19:26] <chesedo> yeah speed keeps bandwidth down atleast too
[19:26] <chesedo> andrewlsd: 27 sept
[19:26] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed chesedo to chair next meeting
[19:26] <Maaz> Agreed: chesedo to chair next meeting
[19:26] <Kilos> yay
[19:26] <inetpro> andrewlsd: "Meetings are held every 4th Tuesday of each month at 20:30"
[19:27] <chesedo> eish me can't duck again :P
[19:27] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Next meeting
[19:27] <Maaz> Current Topic: Next meeting
[19:27] <andrewlsd> I'll volunteer for October's meeting then.
[19:27] <Kilos> hehe
[19:27] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed Next meeting is 27 September 2016 @ 20:30
[19:27] <Maaz> Agreed: Next meeting is 27 September 2016 @ 20:30
[19:27] <andrewlsd> inetpro: I can't count to 4th in weeks.
[19:27] <chesedo> andrewlsd: awesome!
[19:27] <chesedo> thank you all for joining in on the meeting..
[19:28] <Kilos> thank youchesfor chairing for us
[19:28] <chesedo> Maaz: end meeting
[19:28] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:28] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-08-23-18-30-10.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-08-23-18-30-10.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-08-23-18-30-10.html
[19:28] <Kilos> ai!
[19:28] <Kilos> sticky space noe
[19:28] <Kilos> now
[19:28] <Kilos> thanks everyone
[19:28] <Kilos> i need sleep
[19:29] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:29] <zerlgi> night all. ciao
[19:29] <Kapanda> cheers
[19:29] <FusionSparc> Nighte kilos, night all..
[19:29] <FusionSparc> *Night
[19:29] <chesedo> night oom Kilos
[19:30] <chesedo> Maaz: last minutes is <reply>Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-08-23-18-30-10.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-08-23-18-30-10.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-08-23-18-30-10.html
[19:30] <Maaz> chesedo: If you say so
[19:30] <chesedo> i am also off, night all....
[19:30] <ihavegonetosleep> Maaz: good night
[19:30] <Maaz> Cheers ihavegonetosleep
[19:31] <nlsthzn> hmmm got busy heard pings, nothing showing on the hilights and I don't know how to scroll in irssi
[19:31] <nlsthzn> >.<
[19:31]  * nlsthzn goes back to being busy
[19:36] <Kilos> lol
[19:45] <kulelu88> was there a meeting today?
[19:45] <Kilos> lol
[19:45] <Kilos> yes there was
[19:45] <kulelu88> aah well
[20:25] <Vince-0> gnaat Kilos
[20:25] <Kilos> night Vince-0
[20:26] <Kilos> rest well
[20:26] <Vince-0> will come catch up soon
[20:27] <kulelu88> is Vince-0 new?
[20:27] <kulelu88> we see these okes once a month and then never again :D
[20:29] <Kilos> no he is old just got busy
[20:29] <Kilos> comes from dnglug
[23:39] <kulelu88> Trixar_za: :-*
[23:39] <Trixar_za> kulelu88 :P
[23:40] <kulelu88> you a student? Trixar_za
[23:41] <Trixar_za> Not as such - I just have a habit of messing with stuff I find interesting and my interest jumps around a lot :P
[23:41] <Trixar_za> I'm 31, so a bit too old now
[23:42] <kulelu88> you're awake a bit late for a week day Trixar_za .
[23:42] <kulelu88> die vrou kan jou slaan
[23:43] <Trixar_za> Not married yet - en die vrou sal maar moet verstaan as ek ene kry
[23:44] <kulelu88> what do you do for a living? if you don't mind disclosing in the open
[23:46] <Trixar_za> I seem to be a freelance IT tech and web designer at the moment.
[23:46] <kulelu88> lucky you. No jhb/CT traffic
[23:47] <Trixar_za> That might not be the case forever. There's a good chance I might get a job smack dab in the middle of Cape Town
[23:48] <Trixar_za> At least it will be better than this little dead town I'm in at the moment >.>
[23:48] <kulelu88> you near CT currently?
[23:49] <Trixar_za> St Helena Bay
[23:50] <kulelu88> I'm trying to figure out when CT is nicest and when there isn't a tourist influx
[23:55] <Trixar_za> Probably in the winter months like now
[23:56] <kulelu88> caveat: I dislike winter
[23:56] <Trixar_za> Later ones - before September when Spring starts - weather is better, but the influx of tourism hasn't started yet, so most places still charge winter rates.
[23:58] <kulelu88> PyCon is is October, so there is that


[15:30] <cpaelzer> o/
[15:31] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:31:09 UTC.  The chair is cpaelzer.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[15:31] <sarnold> good morning
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[15:31] <doko> o/
[15:31] <cpaelzer> hello doko sarnold didrocks jamespage ddstreet
[15:31] <ddstreet> o/
[15:32] <cpaelzer> let us get this party started
[15:32] <jamespage> o/
[15:32] <cpaelzer> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:32] <cpaelzer> only reviews, but of that a lot
[15:32] <cpaelzer> I've seen ddstreet complete one
[15:32] <cpaelzer> I myself completed a bunch and helped doko
[15:32] <cpaelzer> so let me turn this around - are there MIR review left open that you'd know of?
[15:33] <cpaelzer> I checked before the meeting and only found new cases (to be distributed today) and such assigned to seucrity atm
[15:33] <cpaelzer> let me knwo if you are backlog on a review so we can make sure it is not blocked on us for too long
[15:33] <cpaelzer> you can also reply on that later
[15:33] <cpaelzer> let us go on
[15:33] <cpaelzer> #topic current component mismatches
[15:33] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[15:33] <cpaelzer> smaller than it was as several things resolved
[15:34] <cpaelzer> nothing new in there
[15:34] <cpaelzer> needrestart will later be distrubted for reviews
[15:34] <cpaelzer> all other unapproved but existing MIRs are on security
[15:34] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[15:35] <cpaelzer> diddledan: can https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libinih/+bug/1883890 be promoted now?
[15:35] <cpaelzer> sorry, I meant didrocks
[15:35] <diddledan> :-p
[15:35] <didrocks> o/
[15:35] <didrocks> diddledan is used to it :)
[15:35] <didrocks> yes, I just need to update the status
[15:36] <didrocks> ah, I did it, that was a week ago :)
[15:36] <cpaelzer> ok I'll leave this case with you then
[15:36] <didrocks> pending on seb doing the correct upload
[15:36] <cpaelzer> oh I thought that happened already
[15:36] <cpaelzer> but ok
[15:36] <cpaelzer> that is the right way
[15:36] <cpaelzer> #topic New MIRs
[15:36] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:37] <cpaelzer> that is one bug with 5 dependencies
[15:37] <cpaelzer> each of us pick one to review ?
[15:37] <didrocks> (all perl though, Friday task for sure…)
[15:37] <didrocks> taking the first one libint-perl
[15:38] <cpaelzer> OTOH 4/5 of those are lib*perl which have a quick pass process AFAIK from doko explaining us last time
[15:38] <cpaelzer> yeah me takes the second fin-perl
[15:38] <cpaelzer> find
[15:38] <didrocks> "wooohooo"
[15:38] <cpaelzer> everyone should realize that the last one gets the only complex package
[15:38] <cpaelzer> so volunteer yourself fast :-)
[15:39] <cpaelzer> three mroe to go libmodule-scandeps-perl libsort-naturally-perl and needrestart itself
[15:39] <doko> lib*-perl ;p
[15:39] <didrocks> if I were you, I would avoid anything with *scan* in the name :)
[15:39] <cpaelzer> ok doko is the *perl* pro and got two
[15:39] <cpaelzer> that leaves needrestart for ddstreet or sarnold or jamespage ?
[15:39] <cpaelzer> who has a chance to do this the next few days?
[15:39] <ddstreet> sure, i can take it
[15:40] <cpaelzer> aesome
[15:40] <cpaelzer> +w
[15:40] <cpaelzer> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[15:40] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:41] <cpaelzer> mtd is on security and only shows up here for the dependency tracking
[15:41] <cpaelzer> fixed
[15:41] <cpaelzer> abseil is not to be promoted and sorted out by seb128
[15:41] <cpaelzer> ok for now IMHO
[15:41] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[15:42] <cpaelzer> didrocks: what became of the voting?
[15:42] <cpaelzer> still many are missing right?
[15:42] <cpaelzer> I've seen activity of most of us here today
[15:42] <didrocks> yeah :/
[15:42] <cpaelzer> what is the summary on votes so far
[15:42] <didrocks> I can reask by email
[15:42] <cpaelzer> sure
[15:43] <cpaelzer> WFM
[15:43] <didrocks> basically, +2 (you and I) based on the according tooling being developed and -1 from doko
[15:43] <didrocks> I told we can invite the requester (seb) to the conversation
[15:43] <didrocks> no answer
[15:43] <didrocks> I feel people being against should discuss with the requester (either during the meeting, but it obviously doesn’t work) or via email
[15:43] <cpaelzer> jamespage: sarnold: ddstreet: anyone of you able to call your vote on this now?
[15:43] <cpaelzer> or do we need to go to mail again?
[15:44] <ddstreet> i can vote now, sure
[15:44] <didrocks> sarnold voted +0 IIRC, but that was off email and without the full rationale, unsure if he would revisit
[15:44] <sarnold> I thin kI'd prefer the email; I voted -1 way back when, but I think I remembered some of the email conversation causing me to lean towards a +1 if there's sufficient changes .. it's been so long, i'd like to reread things
[15:45] <ddstreet> specifically the vote is for 'can a team subscriber wait until after MIR approval before subscribing' right?
[15:45] <didrocks> exactly
[15:45] <didrocks> and one proposal is: "given that we write some tooling for AA to ensure at least one of whitelisted team is subscribed to bugs"
[15:45]  * jamespage reads again
[15:46] <didrocks> (which will help in the cause of demotion -> promotion after a while because it was already in main in the past)
[15:46] <ddstreet> i'm +1 on it, provided there is either tooling or at least a small process doc change to account for the change in process
[15:46] <didrocks> (I don’t think the tooling would be too complex, so better that only relying on doc, which still needs to be updated)
[15:47] <didrocks> that than*
[15:47] <cpaelzer> seems you have a majority already with 3 on "if the tooling exists and process docs update"
[15:47] <cpaelzer> maybe if jamespage has a vote as well this can conclude
[15:48] <jamespage> I'm +1 but concur with cpaelzer esp in his point 2) about the intended team subscribed at least being documented in the MIR
[15:48] <cpaelzer> then it would be on your didrocks to prep and propose the AA-tooling changes - once accepted we can update the MIR docs
[15:48] <didrocks> ack then, so 2 tasks before allowing this change of process: AA-tooling + doc
[15:48] <cpaelzer> and from that point no more us but the AAs would check for the subscription
[15:48] <didrocks> yeah, just the fact that a team will volounteer to be subscribed
[15:48] <cpaelzer> and I'd emphasize in the doc update that there is nothing bad at all if one wants to subscribe early
[15:49] <didrocks> ofc
[15:49] <cpaelzer> just that you no more "have to"
[15:49] <cpaelzer> ok that LGTM now
[15:49] <cpaelzer> anything else?
[15:49] <didrocks> sounds good :)
[15:49] <cpaelzer> didrocks: for auditability would you summarize that as reply to the thread you started?
[15:49] <didrocks> moving to the Go discussion? (another email thread to close)
[15:49] <didrocks> cpaelzer: will do
[15:49] <cpaelzer> Uh you tihnk we will get far with Go today ... ?
[15:49] <didrocks> no, was more some kind of a joke, really :)
[15:50] <sarnold> :)
[15:50] <didrocks> just a gentle reminder if people can contribute to it
[15:50] <cpaelzer> worth a ping yeah
[15:50] <cpaelzer> ok closing for today
[15:50] <cpaelzer> thanks for all your time
[15:50] <cpaelzer> and happy reviewing
[15:50] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:50] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[15:50] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:50:56 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-02-23-15.31.moin.txt
[15:50] <sarnold> thanks cpaelzer, all :)
[15:50] <ddstreet> o/ thanks
[19:57] <sil2100> o/
[19:57] <rbasak> o/
[19:57] <mdeslaur> o/
[20:00] <sil2100> Guess we're missing one more for quorum
[20:00]  * rbasak will hang around for ten minutes
[20:01] <sil2100> Should we still go through the action items anyway, to check if there're updates?
[20:02]  * vorlon waves
[20:03] <vorlon> quorum> there were 3 hands up, doesn't that qualify? :)
[20:03] <vorlon> #startmeeting
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[20:03] <vorlon> #topic Apologies
[20:04] <vorlon> I don't see any on the mailing list
[20:04] <sil2100> I'd like to apologise for missing the last meeting
[20:04] <vorlon> :)
[20:04] <sil2100> Was uh, a weird week
[20:04] <vorlon> #topic Action review
[20:05] <vorlon> ACTION: Wimpress To follow-up on-list with design review to address MATE Boutique security/consent concerns.
[20:05] <vorlon> Wimpress: ^^ is there anyone else from Ubuntu MATE who could take this up with us?
[20:06] <vorlon> #action Wimpress To follow-up on-list with design review to address MATE Boutique security/consent concerns.
[20:06] <meetingology> ACTION: Wimpress To follow-up on-list with design review to address MATE Boutique security/consent concerns.
[20:06] <vorlon> ACTION: formal ratification of third party seeded snap security policy, depends on:
[20:06] <vorlon> ACTION: vorlon to circle around with store, snapcraft, et all, and revise the snap source revision policy to be more clear with regards to rebuildability and GPL compliance.
[20:06] <vorlon> which is carry-over for me
[20:06] <vorlon> #action vorlon to circle around with store, snapcraft, et all, and revise the snap source revision policy to be more clear with regards to rebuildability and GPL compliance.
[20:06] <meetingology> ACTION: vorlon to circle around with store, snapcraft, et all, and revise the snap source revision policy to be more clear with regards to rebuildability and GPL compliance.
[20:06] <vorlon> ACTION: vorlon to reply to seeded snap upload permissions question on list
[20:06] <vorlon> also carry-over
[20:06] <vorlon> #action vorlon to reply to seeded snap upload permissions question on list
[20:06] <meetingology> ACTION: vorlon to reply to seeded snap upload permissions question on list
[20:06] <vorlon> ACTION: xnox to start a draft summarizing the OEM archive portion of the meeting which vorlon and mdeslaur will review, edit, and ratify before we move on to figuring out the next step ([2/3 subquorum required if one of us slacks, to avoid holding up the process])
[20:07] <vorlon> xnox: ^^ we're still waiting on this from you, can you make some time for it please?
[20:07] <vorlon> ACTION: sil2100 to follow up with xnox about OEM archive documentation
[20:07] <vorlon> sil2100: have you? :)
[20:07] <sil2100> Yes
[20:07] <vorlon> cool - any update from xnox?
[20:08] <sil2100> So I poked xnox about that and well, got what we currently have - but it's not in any discoverable place
[20:08] <sil2100> Basically xnox pointed me at the ML posts:
[20:08] <cyphermox> o/
[20:08] <sil2100> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2020-January/002478.html
[20:08] <sil2100> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2019-August/002456.html
[20:08] <vorlon> right, a mailing list post is definitely not a draft, so...
[20:09] <sil2100> Now the question is: do we want to make sure this is saved somewhere on a wiki? Maybe we should decide on where this should go?
[20:09] <sil2100> Wiki, discourse?
[20:09] <vorlon> given that this is supposed to be a policy, I think it belongs in the wiki (with all the othesr)
[20:09] <sil2100> I can continue poking xnox or actually taking all that info there and nicely fitting it on a wiki
[20:09] <sil2100> *take
[20:09] <vorlon> sil2100: do you want to take the action of a first draft then?
[20:10] <sil2100> vorlon: yeah, I can o/
[20:10] <vorlon> sweet
[20:10] <vorlon> #action sil2100 to start a draft summarizing the OEM archive portion of the meeting which xnox and TB will review, edit, and ratify before we move on to figuring out the next step
[20:10] <meetingology> ACTION: sil2100 to start a draft summarizing the OEM archive portion of the meeting which xnox and TB will review, edit, and ratify before we move on to figuring out the next step
[20:10] <vorlon> ACTION: mdeslaur to follow up on xnox's track clarification post to the list from 2020-08-12
[20:10] <sil2100> I suppose we don't really have a wiki path for OEM stuff right now, right?
[20:10] <vorlon> mdeslaur: ?
[20:10] <vorlon> sil2100: no, but this is about Ubuntu technical policy, not about "OEM"
[20:11] <mdeslaur> he said the track clarification was already added to the wiki, so it's completed
[20:11] <vorlon> mdeslaur: thanks
[20:11] <sil2100> vorlon: true that o/
[20:11] <vorlon> #done mdeslaur to follow up on xnox's track clarification post to the list from 2020-08-12
[20:12] <vorlon> ACTION: vorlon to update the list for Thunderbird update (https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/01/26/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t20:22)
[20:12] <vorlon> carry-over, I'll get it done this week I swear
[20:12] <vorlon> #action vorlon to update the list for Thunderbird update (https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/01/26/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t20:22)
[20:12] <meetingology> ACTION: vorlon to update the list for Thunderbird update (https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/01/26/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t20:22)
[20:12] <vorlon> ACTION: rbasak to write up proposal for how to do decision documentation for the future
[20:12] <vorlon> rbasak: I think this might be done?
[20:12] <rbasak> I posted that to the list.
[20:12]  * vorlon nods
[20:12] <sil2100> I saw an e-mail sent out, yes
[20:12] <vorlon> #done rbasak to write up proposal for how to do decision documentation for the future
[20:12] <sil2100> rbasak: thanks o/
[20:12] <vorlon> excellent
[20:12] <rbasak> Any feedback or further action from that?
[20:14] <vorlon> none from me
[20:14] <vorlon> no new agenda items on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda, so
[20:14] <vorlon> #topic Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item)
[20:14]  * rbasak has one AOB item
[20:15] <vorlon> we were cc:ed on a question from teward to sabdfl; but that's only to keep us in the loop and I don't see any action there https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2021-February/002543.html
[20:15] <rbasak> Agreed - I asked Thomas and he confirmed no action is expected from the TB at the moment.
[20:16] <vorlon> and Laney asked about documentation of LTS status which sil2100 responded to
[20:16] <vorlon> sil2100: do you think we *should* have a more specific place for documenting LTS status?
[20:16] <vorlon> the release notes are kind of late to be gathering this info
[20:17] <sil2100> hm, we do normally always reach out to flavors beforehand whenever an LTS is being worked on per policy
[20:17] <vorlon> yes, but where does this get documented between the time you reach out to flavors, and the time the release notes start being created?
[20:17] <sil2100> I don't think so, no
[20:19] <sil2100> I'm looking at possible places where this could be actually documented better, I see we had an https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS wiki page with some LTS info
[20:19] <sil2100> But anyway, maybe it's enough to just put that info in the release tracking thread whenever an LTS is worked on? Or hm, maybe better, on the release schedule thread?
[20:20] <sil2100> Since on the release schedule threads we already have additional info like when transitions are planned and who is working on which milestone
[20:20] <vorlon> what's the release tracking thread?
[20:20] <sil2100> Like, you know, one of these: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/groovy-gorilla-20-10-release-status-tracking/18647
[20:20] <sil2100> Since we're tracking release checklist items there, it's created relatively early
[20:20] <sil2100> But I think maybe the release schedule would be actually a better idea
[20:21] <vorlon> ah
[20:21] <sil2100> Since it fits conceptually as well, since support status means when point releases might be prepared and for who
[20:21] <vorlon> well I think I would leave it up to you whether you think there should be further action here
[20:22] <sil2100> I'll bring it up with the release team and we'll figure something out, but I'm leaning towards the release schedule indeed
[20:22] <sil2100> It's easily discoverable then
[20:23] <vorlon> #action sil2100 to discuss with release team where to document decisions about LTS status of flavors (prior to release notes creation late in cycle)
[20:23] <meetingology> ACTION: sil2100 to discuss with release team where to document decisions about LTS status of flavors (prior to release notes creation late in cycle)
[20:23] <vorlon> #topic Check up on community bugs (standing item)
[20:23] <vorlon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bugs?field.assignee=techboard
[20:23] <vorlon> zaro boogs
[20:23] <vorlon> #aob
[20:23] <vorlon> rbasak: you had something?
[20:23] <vorlon> #topic aob
[20:24] <rbasak> I released the Thunderbird update today to Focal.
[20:24] <rbasak> oSoMoN asked about doing the same for Bionic, but we hadn't discussed that previously.
[20:24] <rbasak> I trust it'll be fine on the same basis as the Focal update, but I thought I'd check.
[20:25] <mdeslaur> I think only one of the problematic packages was in bionic when I checked
[20:25] <vorlon> seems ok, we didn't make any focal-specific decisions there so as long as the revdep situation is similar?
[20:25] <mdeslaur> I believe it's fine for bionic also
[20:25] <rbasak> I haven't checked the rdep situation
[20:25] <vorlon> but I guess you would as part of SRU team due diligence?
[20:25] <rbasak> Yes I'll check
[20:26] <rbasak> How about we approve it on condition the SRU consider the situation effectively the same, and we'll consult the TB if we consider there to be any substantial difference?
[20:26] <vorlon> ok then it seems alright to me; if you find any new wrinkles for bionic we can discuss on list, but otherwise I think it follows from the discussion we already had about focal?
[20:26] <cyphermox> yes
[20:26] <rbasak> +1
[20:27] <rbasak> Thanks
[20:27] <vorlon> excellent
[20:27] <vorlon> #topic Select a chair for the next meeting (next from https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members)
[20:27] <vorlon> #info next chair will be sil2100, with mdeslaur as backup
[20:27] <mdeslaur> ack
[20:27] <sil2100> o/
[20:27] <vorlon> straightforward :)
[20:27] <vorlon> anything else?
[20:27] <mdeslaur> nope
[20:28] <sil2100> Nothing here
[20:28] <vorlon> #endmeeting
[20:28] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 20:28:07 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-02-23-20.03.moin.txt
[20:28] <vorlon> thanks, all!
[20:28] <sil2100> Thanks vorlon, everyone o/
[20:28] <mdeslaur> thanks everyone!
[21:04] <oSoMoN> ah sorry I missed the meeting, thanks rbasak for bringing up the topic of the thunderbird update on bionic
[21:06] <oSoMoN> that sounds like a plan, I'll work closely with Robie to ensure there are no surprises (I don't anticipate any, it should be very similar to the focal update, except that tinyjsd isn't in bionic, only jsunit)


[11:07] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:13] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[11:38] <JonathanD> hey rmg51
[11:38] <rmg51> o/
[14:07] <InHisName> Irishmanluke: are you around ?   Still building a bot ?  If so I have a room to practice in.
[14:07] <InHisName> morning everyone else
[14:28] <JonathanD> Morning.
[14:28] <JonathanD> Camping is 2 weeks away!
[14:28] <JonathanD> sign up if you want to come, and haven't already.
[14:34] <InHisName> I want to come but have too many conflicting choices that day.
[14:34] <andrew> camping is generally more than just a day
[14:39]  * InHisName expands his conflict list to 2 & 3 days now.
[14:41] <andrew> JonathanD: I think he's just making excuses now.
[14:45] <InHisName> Fri nite dance recital for daughter.  Sat Adoption celebration with 30 families + 4 other choices I have to miss out on.  Sun Church, + Pot Luck [almost as good as camping]   + 4 hours of freedom = done   maybe can visit a yard sale or two if time slot opens.
[14:51] <JonathanD> move all the above events to the campsite.
[14:51] <JonathanD> Problem solved.
[15:29] <InHisName> Easier said than done.   Interesting idea for next year though.
[15:34] <JonathanD> Dossy is coming, I hope...
[15:35] <andrew> JonathanD: pick a date for next year so he can schedule around it
[15:35] <JonathanD> andrew: so he can schedule everything for it, you mean ;)
[15:35] <JonathanD> andrew: I think we're doing one in sept or oct this year too
[15:36] <JonathanD> if the budget works out, anyway.
[15:37] <andrew> JonathanD: Geeknic LLC?
[15:38] <JonathanD> andrew: something like that.
[15:39] <JonathanD> andrew: I meant my personal budget :P
[15:44] <andrew> Child Labor LLC
[15:46] <JonathanD> Yes.
[15:47] <JonathanD> andrew: clearly if we don't increase geeknics quarterly profits by at 20% a year all our investors will pull out.
[15:53] <ChinnoDog> Investors? Peeps using FOSS are generally unwilling to spend any money.
[15:56] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: right, but the above was all made up, so thats ok :P
[15:57] <JonathanD> Although I disagree. Our "users" are more than happy to put up a few bucks so we can all have a nice camping trip :)
[15:58] <andrew> JonathanD: But then our "investors" pull out, they won't have future workers of their own at Child Labor LLC
[15:58] <andrew> But if*
[16:57] <InHisName> Thanks rmg51, a restart was all that was needed to get the glipper to be fully functioning.
[17:00] <andrew> Step one of any tech support.
[18:23] <andrew> @later tell SamuraiAlba http://www.dennys.com/en/baconalia/BaconCam
[18:23] <PennBot> andrew: The operation succeeded.


[10:05] <xnox> cjwatson: partman-auto, the reuse recipe is giving me a fizzy fit. It can't mount the partition in read-only mode, because recovery required on readonly filesystem but white access unavailable, cannot proceed.
[10:06] <xnox> option one: remove the guards to blockdev --setro/--setrw
[10:06] <xnox> option two: use os-prober instead of manually hacking up installation detection
[10:06] <cjwatson> Consider using grub-mount if it's available
[10:07] <cjwatson> True guaranteed read-only mount
[10:07] <xnox> ok, let me try that. thanks.
[10:07] <cjwatson> os-prober switched to that when available a while back, so you could compare with its code
[10:07] <cjwatson> (So we need it to work regardless)
[10:07] <xnox> it's bug 1050562 and bug 1056571
[10:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1050562 in ubiquity "Upgrading Ubuntu 12.04.1 from iso isn't given as an option" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1050562
[10:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1056571 in ubiquity "Missing "reinstall" option when installing same version of Ubuntu" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1056571
[10:07] <cjwatson> Ah
[10:07] <cjwatson> Makes sense
[10:14] <xnox> whichever way I look at it, os-prober is superior to 15reuse recipe semantics.
[10:18] <cjwatson> Performance might be an issue; os-prober + linux-boot-prober can be fairly slow
[10:18] <cjwatson> And it's very noisy in logs
[10:18] <xnox> =( true
[10:18] <cjwatson> I think if it were me I'd reimplement just the small bit you need
[10:19] <xnox> and we really don't want to run os-prober twice
[10:19] <cjwatson> Indeed
[11:08] <xnox> hmmm.... reuse yet I am still asked user setup
[11:08] <xnox> and lang and keyboard
[11:13] <psivaa> We are seeing bug 1058047 in our automated/manual testing,
[11:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1058047 in ubiquity "No desktop shortcut, oem-config, oem-config-gtk in oem installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1058047
[11:14] <psivaa> in the process of attaching logs now,
[11:21] <cjwatson> psivaa: amd64?
[11:21] <psivaa> cjwatson, yes
[11:21] <cjwatson> psivaa: yeah, don't bother, the dailies broke today
[11:22] <cjwatson> it'll be sorted out soon
[11:22] <psivaa> cjwatson, ok, thanks, i hear due to version mismatches?
[11:23] <cjwatson> I'm not totally sure right now
[11:24] <cjwatson> I mean, yes, there's clearly a mismatch in the archive, but the new amd64 build should have been published a little while back
[11:24] <cjwatson> So I'm trying to make sure that this is just some kind of "ordinary" lag rather than a publisher bug
[11:25] <psivaa> cjwatson, ack
[11:26] <cjwatson> ah, possibly just slightly unfortunate timing
[11:27]  * cjwatson pokes the archive reports, being impatient
[11:28] <cjwatson> yeah, there we go, it's just armhf struggling now
[11:29] <cjwatson> I'll do a new daily build
[11:50] <cjwatson> ev: another wubi commit for you when you get a moment (r272)
[11:50] <ev> will do after lunch
[13:27] <xnox> ev: ubiquity will allow upgrading "devel release -> final" & "reinstall final" correctly now
[13:28] <ev> did it not before?
[13:28] <xnox> not the first bit, because it couldn't compare "Ubuntu quantal" with "Ubuntu 12.10"
[13:29] <xnox> ev: and because partman-auto was a bit broken it wasn't offering any upgrade options during quantal.... not sure if precise CDs do.
[13:29] <xnox> there is no manual - install (upgrade) test
[13:29] <xnox> with cd
[13:30] <ev> nice


[09:03] <rww> DaemonFC is ban-evading in #ubuntu+1. Banned address; c-68-57-223-4.hsd1.in.comcast.net
[09:13] <persia> Oops.  I sent DaemonFC there after an off-topic question in #ubuntu-devel (following some on-topic discussion)
[09:42] <ikonia> rww: looking now
[09:43] <elky> daemonfc wouldn't be our favourite spammer now, would he?
[09:44] <ikonia> looking.......
[09:44] <elky> the first name and isp certainly fit the profile
[09:45] <ikonia> he's doding the ban in +1 for sure
[09:45] <rww> elky: Ryan Farmer? Yes, that's him.
[09:45] <ikonia> DaemonFC: hi, thanks for joining
[09:45] <DaemonFC> yeah, I know
[09:45] <ikonia> you know what ?
[09:46] <DaemonFC> you hate my guts
[09:46] <ikonia> errr no
[09:46] <DaemonFC> I also know what happens in 5 seconds
[09:46] <ikonia> I was just going to ask you to leave #ubuntu+1 as there is a ban on that channel for you, and see if we can resolve the bans for you
[09:46] <DaemonFC> ok, I'm not there now
[09:47] <ikonia> thank you
[09:47] <DaemonFC> We should maybe discuss the shoot on sight standing order over a spat in 2008?
[09:47] <ikonia> DaemonFC: if you could give me 60 to just finish reading up
[09:47] <DaemonFC> :)
[09:48] <ikonia> shoot on sight, I'm not actually sure what you're talking about - but just let me finish reading the notes
[09:49] <ikonia> DaemonFC: ok, I was just catching up on your bans as there are many there
[09:49] <DaemonFC> you're probably reading a lot of duplicates from "Hey, you got banned 6 months ago!"
[09:49] <DaemonFC> *whack*
[09:49] <DaemonFC> but that's just my guess
[09:50] <ikonia> sorry - my phone went
[09:50] <ikonia> no, there are not lots of duplicates, there are a couple of issues, and a set of instances of you trying to get around the bans
[09:50] <DaemonFC> not true
[09:51] <DaemonFC> if the ban expires and I re-enter a room under the same name, that's not an evasion
[09:51] <ikonia> yes - true, I've got the details in front of me, but I'm not debating that, I'd like to, if possible resolve your bans in the channels
[09:51] <ikonia> DaemonFC: a ban doesn't expire - unless it's removed
[09:51] <DaemonFC> that's a ban expiring and an op being a twit
[09:52] <ikonia> no - it's not. If a ban had been removed I would not say "you where ban evading"
[09:52] <DaemonFC> I also don't have to let anyone know it's me
[09:52] <ikonia> I wouldn't be talking to you about it
[09:52] <ikonia> I didn't say you did
[09:52] <DaemonFC> if I was trying to evade a ban, you woudn't be talking with me because you wouldn't know
[09:53] <ikonia> I guess the first question is, do you want to resolve these issues and start re-joining/using the channels freely
[09:53] <DaemonFC> sure why not?
[09:53] <DaemonFC> :)
[09:53] <DaemonFC> Where's the paperwork?
[09:53] <ikonia> ok, so that's a good start
[09:53] <DaemonFC> who do I make an appeal to (again)?
[09:54] <ikonia> there is quite a history of bans on you for various behaviour under various nicknames (again part of tring to get around the bans)
[09:54] <DaemonFC> I don't know what other nicknames you're referring to
[09:54] <ikonia> if you could explain what that behaviour was all about, and show a little intention of not repeating it, that would be great
[09:54] <ikonia> DaemonDEB, DaemonMDV, DaemonXP, AlmightyCthulu
[09:54] <ikonia> ring any bells ?
[09:55] <DaemonFC> well, the first three are obviously me
[09:55] <ikonia> ok - so if you re-read and re-apply the question then please.
[09:55] <DaemonFC> it's been years, how would I know
[09:56] <DaemonFC> some people obviously have long memories about trivial things
[09:56] <DaemonFC> I am not so blessed
[09:56] <ikonia> DaemonFC: it's not been years, and you where a persistant issue inthe channel as you where a week or so ago in #ubuntu-offtopic, so I'll ask again, what's with the persistant distruption to the channel behaviour ?
[09:57] <DaemonFC> I think that time someone brought up mono and the assorted Microsoft patents that are held on it
[09:57] <DaemonFC> and I advised that I wouldn't use it
[09:58] <DaemonFC> and got banned
[09:58] <ikonia> no, you used rude language towards people
[09:59] <ikonia> actually - in all honesty, with your history, I feel this is a waste of time
[09:59] <ikonia> I'm not going to pursue it fther
[09:59] <ikonia> apologies for miss-leading you, but I can't see a point in going through this again when you're clearly still playing innocent to your behaviour/
[10:00] <DaemonFC> your call again
[10:00] <ikonia> no problem
[10:00] <ikonia> apologies
[10:00] <DaemonFC> it obviously doesn't help that I didn't try to be dishonest
[10:00] <DaemonFC> someone else will definitely remember that next time
[10:01] <ikonia> DaemonFC: ok, I note your comment
[10:04] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops DaemonFC attempted to resolve multiple bans, got lies/time wasting innocense back. Pointless to continue, not genuine
[10:04] <ikonia> rww: good eyes, thank you
[10:04] <rww> he just rejoined #ubuntu+1
[10:05] <ikonia> helps if I spell his name right in a ban
[10:22] <DaemonFC> ikonia
[10:22] <ikonia> yes ?
[10:22] <DaemonFC> If I agreed to bite my tongue, could there be a way of potentially clearing those bans?
[10:23] <ikonia> DaemonFC: not at the moment, I don't want to discuss this any more at the moment. I tried earlier and just got the same old story back, so I don't want to do that pointless trip again at this time
[10:23] <ikonia> (just being honest)
[10:24] <DaemonFC> if you think it's pointless, great. I'm telling you I don't remember the whole range of crap in detail over why those are in place.
[10:24] <ikonia> if you come back at another time, and try being a bit more honest with your responses, I'm sure it will get sorted
[10:24] <DaemonFC> You have logs and it's not fresh in my memory
[10:24] <ikonia> I appreciate that
[10:24] <DaemonFC> so you probably do know more about it than I remember
[10:25] <ikonia> again, I appreciate that, but you know exactly what you did in #ubuntu-offtopic, and you know what you where doing with all the spamming, and trolling in the past
[10:25] <DaemonFC> spamming?
[10:25] <DaemonFC> for WHAT!?
[10:25] <ikonia> your blog/link
[10:25] <ikonia> http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com
[10:25] <ikonia> (or a blog/link) that you found ammusing
[10:26] <ikonia> I assume it's yours with the name
[10:26] <DaemonFC> wait a second, where was I selling anything or making revenue or whatever?
[10:26] <DaemonFC> that's what I call spam
[10:26] <ikonia> ok "advertising" your link
[10:26] <DaemonFC> thank you
[10:27] <ikonia> you're not banned in #ubuntu, so you're free to use that channel
[10:27] <ikonia> see how you get on in ther
[10:27] <ikonia> there
[10:27] <DaemonFC> make me sound like I'm selling black market Russian Viagra or something
[10:27] <ikonia> no, I didn't
[10:27] <ikonia> again - this is the pointlessness I don't want to go around again
[10:28] <DaemonFC> one question though
[10:28] <ikonia> ok
[10:28] <DaemonFC> Why is it futile to talk to any ops due to all bans being indefinite and pointless to contest?
[10:28] <ikonia> it's not
[10:29] <ikonia> if you're just straight about stuff, %99.9 of the time things can get resolved easy
[10:29] <DaemonFC> Shouldn't they be like 1 month, 6 month, etc and give the person incentive to improve? (ok thats 2)
[10:30] <ikonia> no
[10:30] <ikonia> it can be as short as 10 minutes if the issue is resolved
[10:30] <ikonia> there is no set time policy
[10:30] <ikonia> as I said, most things are normally resolved easy, however it's persitant issues, and just not being straight when trying to resolve the issues
[10:30] <ikonia> that's what drags things out
[10:30] <DaemonFC> so if a person can't remember an off the cuff remark than they're screwed?
[10:30] <ikonia> not at all
[10:31] <ikonia> most of the time that can be worked through, and I'm not asking you to remember the remakrs, more your overall behaviour
[10:31] <DaemonFC> I'm an asshole
[10:31] <DaemonFC> there
[10:31] <ikonia> your attempts to get around bans, your attitude, your language, your topics to try to set of an issue
[10:32] <ikonia> ok - so in your words, why should we let someone who is an "asshole" back into the channels to cause distruption to other users who are not "assholes" ?
[10:32] <DaemonFC> because anyone can be an asshole situationally and choose not to keep it in check?
[10:33] <ikonia> DaemonFC: ok, perfect response, however on the past you have chosen not to
[10:33] <ikonia> so what's changed ?
[10:33] <ikonia> DaemonFC: ok - shall we try to work out a deal
[10:34] <DaemonFC> ok, well, most systems don't indefinetely punish people for things they have done or keep punishing on the assumption that in the future they may do something
[10:34] <ikonia> well, you've not changed so far, hence why I'm trying to work something out with you
[10:34] <DaemonFC> yeah, go ahead
[10:36] <ikonia> you're not banned in #ubuntu, see how you get on with that, if you can control yourself for a month in #ubuntu, I'll remove the ban in #ubuntu+1, then we can set a plan for #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[10:36] <ikonia> I'll put a note in the logs, so it's not just me who can deal with it
[10:36] <DaemonFC> alright
[10:36] <ikonia> seem a reasonable way forward ?
[10:37] <DaemonFC> yes
[10:37] <ikonia> perfect
[10:37] <ikonia> I'll put a note in the logs now for #ubuntu+1
[10:37] <ikonia> any problems/queries please ask as it's better to ask than make a bad reaction
[10:38] <DaemonFC> yeah. and this way it's not like nobody else can look and say "I didn't see any note on that"
[10:38] <DaemonFC> good
[10:38] <ikonia> I've just updated the notes now
[10:38] <ikonia> so we can review it a month from now
[10:39] <DaemonFC> I'll be back
[10:39] <DaemonFC> :)
[10:54] <myrtti> buzzbuzz
[10:57] <jussi01> gulp
[10:57] <Tm_T> ?
[10:59] <persia> It's all about frogs.
[11:00] <Tm_T> I'm actually glad I have no idea what you're talking about (:
[11:00] <myrtti> the side effects of my chronic pain meds are a bit disturbing, I feel hyperactive all the time and on the other hand I'm really tired because I've slept so poorly due to feeling hyperactive the couple past nights. So if I seem weird, feel free to slap me
[11:01]  * Tm_T huggles myrtti
[11:01] <jussi01> myrtti: you are weird to start with, so if you start acting normal then? :P :D
[11:01] <jussi01> (hugs really, that must suck)
[11:01] <myrtti> oh but the pain is gone, I guess that's good?
[11:05] <myrtti> this lack of concentration really is annoying
[11:07] <Tm_T> myrtti: yeah, one of the reasons I'm trying to stay away from meds
[12:11]  * jussi01 waves to rww, heya! did you need a hand with something?
[12:12] <rww> oops, forgot I was still in here, thanks :)
[12:20] <Tm_T> bazhang: hi, how can we help you?
[12:20]  * Tm_T hides
[12:25] <bazhang> heh
[12:41] <ikonia> don't be so rude
[12:43]  * Tm_T huggles ikonia
[12:58] <ikonia> hugging is also rude
[12:58] <ikonia> apprantly everything that goes on in this channel is rude
[12:58] <persia> Indeed.  That's why we're banished here.
[13:12]  * myrtti grabs tim_______ in pm
[13:25] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[13:26]  * Pici sighs at LimCore
[13:26] <ikonia> really ?
[13:26] <ikonia> I thought I'd got him going in the right track
[13:32] <Myrtti> *sigh* tim_______ doesn't acknowledge my pm and I'm not too keen on putting the issue on table at #ubuntu-uk
[13:32] <popey> the issue?
[13:33] <Myrtti> didn't get help in #ubuntu, so
[13:33] <Myrtti> [15:09] < tim_______> oooo fuck you all self son of a bitches
[13:33] <Myrtti> [15:09] ~~~tim_______<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu ["Ex-Chat"]
[13:33] <popey> lovely
[13:33] <Myrtti> I don't want to ban or banforward, it wouldn't result in anything
[13:34] <Myrtti> I just wanted to poke in pm to tell him that that language is uncalled for and not needed. but *shrug*
[13:34] <elky> Myrtti, does this mean daughters of such are exempt?
[14:52]  * genii makes a very large pot of coffee
[15:13] <Trek> is ubottu lagging today?
[15:13] <Pici> !ping
[15:13] <Pici> Doesn't look like it.
[15:14] <Trek> okay, because its not responding to the message I sent it so I don't spam the public channels...
[15:14] <Trek> ah, there's the issue... my bad (misspelled :P)
[15:14] <Pici> Trek: What did you send it?
[15:14] <Pici> okay :)
[15:14] <Trek> !info <package name>
[15:14] <Trek> lol forgot ubottu is in here
[15:26] <Tm_T> umm, Konqueror is still the default web browser in Kubuntu?
[15:34] <charlie-tca> that would be better asked in #kubuntu
[15:35]  * charlie-tca doesn't know the answer, either
[15:36] <Tm_T> ...aww, I thought I was in k-d :p
[16:02] <Pici> Just a reminder to clear out stale bans, there are about ~340 bans in #ubuntu currently, and ~220 in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[16:03] <Pici> I'm about to clean out about 30 old floodbot bans
[16:15] <Pici> Yay, that looks better: http://status.nullcortex.com/other/other/ircbans.html
[16:17] <Tm_T> Pici: wut?
[16:17] <Pici> Tm_T: I like graphs
[16:18] <Tm_T> Pici: I like too, nice (:
[16:22] <knome> when do we get stats for other channels
[16:22] <Pici> knome: such as?
[16:23] <knome> #xubuntu
[16:23] <Myrtti> knome: 34 bans. whee.
[16:23] <knome> Myrtti, i want a day-to-day graph
[16:23] <knome> ;)
[16:24] <Myrtti> oh god, what old bans
[16:24] <knome> yeah
[16:24] <charlie-tca> proportional to the amount of users?
[16:24] <Pici> I just added #kubuntu and #xubuntu to that graph, it'll start graphing within the next 10 minutes.
[16:25] <Pici> #xubuntu is included on the population graphs I've been running though: http://status.nullcortex.com/other/other/irccount2.html
[16:28] <Myrtti> I'm in no condition to prune the bans further though
[16:28] <Daviey> hmm, can farnborough be argued to be towards Exeter?
[16:28]  * Daviey checks
[16:29] <Myrtti> the bus/lorry strike just made my blood pressure jump soaring high
[16:29] <Daviey> err, wrong window
[16:29] <knome> Myrtti, fsst. :) they started it?
[16:29] <Myrtti> tomorrow at 1800
[16:29] <knome> aaaaaaah
[16:29] <knome> i'll get back from london then
[16:29] <knome> :)
[16:30] <Myrtti> I've got flights on Wednesday and the question is does the plane have petrol to fly to UK
[16:30] <knome> yeah
[16:30] <Myrtti> who are you flying with?
[16:30] <Myrtti> ryanair?
[16:31] <knome> flight operated by blue1
[16:31] <Myrtti> ahok.
[16:35] <knome> how so? :)
[16:36] <Myrtti> I'm going to Cambridge and it's easier to fly from Tampere to there by Ryanair
[16:37] <knome> yeah
[16:39] <Myrtti> I'm in a state of panic though
[16:40] <knome> good luck.
[16:43] <Myrtti> great, lag.
[16:43] <knome> :D
[18:19] <Tm_T> KB1JWQ: it's all yours, I'm bit busy elsewhere (;
[18:20] <KB1JWQ> Tm_T: Heh, I'm not named explicitly in the ACL, I have to use staff powers to do it. :-p
[18:21] <Tm_T> ooh, right
[18:21] <KB1JWQ> Not opposed to doing it, but I have to wait for it to be... blatant.
[18:21] <Tm_T> yeah
[19:03] <Myrtti> it's useless trying to ban
[19:04] <Myrtti> I'd end up doing a ban so wide it would catch half of Spain
[19:05] <Pici> topyli: Would I be overreacting if I sent a banforward for enthdegree to -ops for his weird clone behavior?
[19:07] <topyli> Pici, i haven't been watching, but he could use a general brushup on behavior in general, that's for sure
[19:31] <Pici> Anyway, I told him to cut it out and that he is responsible for anyone connecting with his account.