[00:04] <jelmer> ChristopheT, You need to run ./setup.py build_ext --inplace
[00:04] <Peng> (Which is exactly what make runs.)
[00:04] <Peng> jelmer: Why doesn't setup.py do it automatically?
[00:04] <jelmer> peng: it does
[00:04] <jelmer> peng: Well, if you have some way to make that the default
[00:05] <jelmer> that's deep inside distutils though
[00:05] <Peng> Ah.
[00:05] <jelmer> patches are welcome :-)
[00:05] <LarstiQ> you can replace the default build command object with one that does that?
[00:05] <Peng> I've heard rumours about distutils. I'm afraid to go anywhere near it. :)
[00:06] <jelmer> LarstiQ: It's the build_ext command unfortunately
[00:07] <LarstiQ> jelmer: yes, but I mean making './setup.py build' do an inplace extension build (too)
[00:53] <baco> wait a moment, imagine you restrict the log in via ssh or http, whichever you want, to a server, both are the same fake for the repo, right, your server is secure, but as bzr not having an auth method, anybody can personify another developer just setting his email variable in his bazaar.conf, and commit mistakes to blame someone else, that's a security error
[00:53] <Peng> That is true.
[00:53] <Peng> You could have developers always PGP-sign their commits.
[00:54] <jelmer> LarstiQ: Rather just recommend everybody to use make :-)
[00:55] <LarstiQ> jelmer: what a copout! ;)
[00:55] <LarstiQ> baco: supposedly you merge from people you trust, not random strangers
[00:57] <baco> Peng: I think I misted that doc, but wouldn't be easier to have an auth method in the server? that would require to run a server each time, the smart-server for example, mmm... nasty
[00:58] <baco> LarstiQ: then I wouldn't merge anybody, neither myself
[00:59] <LarstiQ> baco: I'm not sure what you mean with it being easier to have an auth method in the server.
[01:00] <baco> LarstiQ: I was imaging the svn model, which forces you to give a correct user and password
[01:00] <baco> but this requieres to have a server running somewhere
[01:01] <Peng> bac: The thing is, with a DVCS, people will often be pushing each others' commits around.
[01:04] <baco> Peng: they do need at least an ssh server running, there is no difference in having another server that forces them to auth correctly, using that for setting the commit-er field
[01:07] <Peng> bac: Say you're working on a feature in a branch, committing frequently. I notice a bug and fix it. You merge my fix. Now when you finally merge your feature branch into the trunk and push it, you'll be pushing both your revisions and one from me.
[01:10] <LarstiQ> baco: not really, there are many ways you can exchange revisions
[01:10] <santagada> the signing of the revisions could be an useful feature
[01:11] <baco> Peng: I don't get your point
[01:12] <LarstiQ> baco: your method works in a centralized setup, not in a decentralized one.
[01:12] <Peng> Augh, dammit. I'm sorry again, bac.
[01:12] <Peng> Dammit. I keep doing that.
[01:13]  * LarstiQ hands Peng the second part of cola
[01:13] <Peng> LarstiQo: :)
[01:14] <LarstiQ> haha :)
[01:15] <LarstiQ> baco: perhaps it helps to get clear what exactly it is you are after. As santagada said, bzr supports signing commits with gpg, that (and verifying them) can take care of trusting who authored a commit.
[01:16] <baco> LarstiQ: I understand, that could be also done by faking persons in local commits an then merging you lose  the control, but again, you fix at least the centralized model
[01:17] <LarstiQ> pardon me?
[01:17] <santagada> baco: it is already fixed with signing
[01:17] <LarstiQ> baco: I didn't follow you
[01:18] <baco> LarstiQ: I was referring to (21:12:51) LarstiQ: baco: your method works in a centralized setup, not in a decentralized one.
[01:18] <santagada> baco: read about signing, then tell us why this doesn't fix your problem
[01:19] <LarstiQ> baco: mja, I don't see a lot of merit in doing it for a centralized workflow when the tool supports decentralization.
[01:20] <LarstiQ> baco: and in my experience, it's a non-issue.
[01:20] <baco> santagada: no anybody I work with knows about the private-public key scheme, but they know that when they see 'Password:' they have to enter one
[01:20] <baco> *not anybody...
[01:21] <santagada> baco: this is mostly a tool issue... it has to be fixed, but it is not a problem with bzr
[01:21] <santagada> baco: why not use svn then?
[01:22] <santagada> baco: I worked with a team of people that couldn't understand keys or distributed scm at all... the easiest thing was just using subversion then.
[01:23] <LarstiQ> baco: aha, I think I understand your situation now.
[01:23] <baco> santagada: I like the best of both worlds, decentralization, works for me working at home
[01:23] <LarstiQ> baco: do you think things will go wrong if you just trust your peers to set their committer id correctly?
[01:24] <santagada> baco: bzr-svn
[01:24] <santagada> should solve your problem of working at home
[01:26] <baco> LarstiQ: I am really paranoid, I don't allow any ssh connection to my station, I just don't trust
[01:29] <baco> santagada: yeah, that's a solution, I just wanted to promote bazaar because I like it, but I can not without solving those problems. I think is a good solution for working in many situations, but is strongly based on trust, or experienced users (like the ones who know about public-private keys) :-(
[01:31] <LarstiQ> baco: to me shell access to your machine is a bit different than trusting people's claim that it's their work
[01:31] <santagada> baco: I'm not from the bazaar project so I can't express what they want, but maybe they can be everything to everyone. fixing your problem is just going to bring one completely unuseful and dangerous feature to the project
[01:32] <santagada> s/can/can't
[01:32] <LarstiQ> santagada: we do try to be :)
[01:32] <LarstiQ> well, to some extent
[01:32] <santagada> LarstiQ: I can't access bzr with my svn client... try to fix this :D
[01:32] <LarstiQ> in the context of a versioning control system mainly for source code, the idea is to support different workflow styles
[01:33] <LarstiQ> santagada: there is a project for that, though I think long dormant
[01:33] <LarstiQ> baco: so, if someone would mail you a bundle, would you be willing to merge that?
[01:35] <santagada> LarstiQ: did you see the linuxhater blog post about bzr?
[01:35] <santagada> http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/06/do-you-guys-remember-that-whole-betamax.html
[01:35] <LarstiQ> baco: or, if each coworker pushes their work to their own home directory on a central server where only they have access, would you be willing to merge from one of those?
[01:36] <LarstiQ> santagada: looking at it now
[01:37] <baco> LarstiQ: is almost the same situation, but in a workgroup in which someone wants to harm a coworker an scheme like svn solves my problem
[01:37] <LarstiQ> santagada: that seems to be a general lament about the amount of different dvcsen, that's an old concern
[01:38] <baco> LarstiQ: I know it's a really wried situation, but could happen
[01:38] <LarstiQ> baco: if they really want to hurt you they'll crack the password, or worse, break your fingers.
[01:39] <lifeless> baco: you can use bzr just like svn in this regard if you so desire:
[01:39] <santagada> LarstiQ: I still wish that mercurial and bzr would just merge... both projects that have almost the same goals using almost the same tools
[01:39] <lifeless> baco: setup a server, have everyone push and pull against a central branch there
[01:39] <lifeless> baco: via webdav, or bzr+http, or bzr+ssh
[01:40] <LarstiQ> baco: trust will have to enter the picture somehow
[01:40] <santagada> baco: why not have each user have its own accound on the main server
[01:40] <santagada> if someone tamper with commits you can discover who did it
[01:41] <baco> LarstiQ: I preferred the conspiring plot instead of physical aggression :-P
[01:41] <lifeless> well, they can't tamper with history without bzr alerting everyone else anyway
[01:41] <lifeless> back later folk
[01:43] <baco> lifeless: with bzr+http or bzr+ssh they auth against the server, but the commit in the repo could be made by sancho <sancho@panza> or don <don@quijote> for the same log in account at separate times
[01:44] <santagada> baco: but you can track wich user did what
[01:44] <baco> santagada: no if you branch the trunk to another server losing the log-ins history
[01:44] <santagada> ?
[01:45] <LarstiQ> baco: you could conceivably set the committer id server side
[01:45] <LarstiQ> baco: but if you want to go to all these lengths, I'd really try to invest my effort in educating my coworkers about signing and verifying commits.
[01:46] <LarstiQ> baco: but frankly, I trust my coworkers.
[01:46] <baco> LarstiQ: I do insist when I say I am a paranoid bastard
[01:48] <baco> LarstiQ: how could you set the id server side? not only with bzr, I guess
[01:49] <LarstiQ> baco: I've not verified this all works, but something along the lines of using the smartserver and generating new revisions to actually commit with the commiter id changed to server side approved ids.
[01:50] <LarstiQ> baco: note that that is very nasty to do, because then you will have to throw away your local revisions and pull from central again.
[01:50] <LarstiQ> baco: and I don't think it actually buys you anything
[01:50] <LarstiQ> baco: as soon as you outside that central server, people have control over their committer id again.
[01:51] <LarstiQ> baco: really, the committer id is not meant to give a secure way of identifying who is responsible for said commit.
[01:52] <baco> then blame is not a secure command to say who introduced a bug
[01:52] <LarstiQ> baco: before going back to my girlfriend I'll suggeset two avenues of attack for you: 1) educate on gpg signing (bzr supports this in the tool) 2) trust people
[01:53] <LarstiQ> baco: no, 'secure' doesn't enter the equation
[01:53] <LarstiQ> neither is svn blame
[01:54] <baco> imagine you dismiss the wrong person for that
[01:54] <LarstiQ> baco: if your assumption is that people are out to harm you and hide their tracks, I wouldn't stop at assuming they can't do with the server whatever they want. Including doing and svn dump and restore.
[01:54] <LarstiQ> baco: using the wrong tool for the job.
[01:55] <LarstiQ> baco: the only thing that can ever work is signed statements. Digitally, that would mean gpg.
[01:55] <LarstiQ> (for that sceneario)
[03:51] <bpeterson> is there a Bazaar equivalent to svn:keywords?
[03:52] <bpeterson> ie can I replace a keyword with the current revision?
[03:55] <bob2> no, I think people generally use "bzr version-info" in a build script
[05:39] <lifeless> LarstiQ: I would have suggested 'peer review' actually.
[05:40] <lifeless> LarstiQ: as in - noone commits to trunk unless there is someone else with them, etc.
[05:40] <lifeless> LarstiQ: because of his concept of firing people that introduce bugs :)
[06:25] <enobrev> is there a way to link files from other branches / repositories when pushing to another branch?
[06:26] <enobrev> or even directories?
[06:43] <bob2> ala svn-externals?
[07:38] <enobrev> yes!
[07:38] <enobrev> been so long since svn that i'd forgotten the name
[07:39] <enobrev> (bob2)
[11:07] <ToyKeeper> D'oh.  bzr.dev and bzr-svn trunk started out better, but its memory use exploded after it finished grabbing revisions.
[11:09] <Jc2k> i hear the worst leak is in sqlite now :)
[11:11]  * ToyKeeper wonders how to get swap usage data per process
[11:13] <ToyKeeper> The versions in hardy used about 600MiB RAM to branch this repo, but the dev versions are up to about 2 GiB if I count swap.
[12:10] <ToyKeeper> anyhoo, the current head revisions are both better and worse.  :)  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15674458/bzr-svn-memuse.png
[12:13] <weigon_> does someone have an idea on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/svn2bzr/+bug/230341 ?
[12:13] <weigon_> I run into the same problem
[12:36] <jelmer> ToyKeeper, Wow, I wonder what that sudden memory increase comes from
[12:37] <jelmer> at least part of the memory usage is caused by memory leaks in the python sqlite3 bindings
[12:38] <ToyKeeper> jelmer: Yeah, I was pretty surprised.
[13:30] <lifeless> jelmer: could be versionedfiles copying
[13:30] <lifeless> jelmer: did you implement streams memory-efficiently ?
[13:32] <weigon_> is gustavo niemeyer here from time to time ?
[13:32] <lifeless> yes
[13:33] <weigon_> what's his nick ?
[13:33] <lifeless> niemeyer
[13:34] <jelmer> lifeless: he's not using stacked stuff at all
[13:34] <lifeless> jelmer: oh
[13:34] <jelmer> lifeless, there's no versionedfiles involved in that case
[13:34] <lifeless> ToyKeeper: was it building a tree ? or just a branch fetch ?
[13:35] <ToyKeeper> lifeless: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-svn/+bug/243939
[13:35] <jelmer> lifeless, it's memory leaks in the python bindings and sqlite3 bindings
[13:35] <jelmer> lifeless: I can reproduce them here, but debugging them is pretty hard
[13:36] <lifeless> jelmer: after its grabbed the revisions though, it builds a tree; that could be local KnitVFs issue
[13:54] <jelmer> lifeless: hmm, that would be convenient :-P
[13:55] <jelmer> lifeless: I'm sure there's bzr-svn- or svn-specific memory leaks as well still though
[13:59] <lifeless> jelmer: right, I'm just noting that it needs more analysis :)
[14:00] <lifeless> jelmer: and my question to ToyKeeper will help
[14:00] <lifeless> ToyKeeper: if you could answer it that would be great
[14:00] <bob2> apropos #75700, how ghetto is extracting the version from the deprecation symbol's string
[14:01] <ToyKeeper> lifeless: The spike happened just after it finished fetching all the revisions, and started on the next step.
[14:01] <lifeless> 22:34 < lifeless> ToyKeeper: was it building a tree ? or just a branch fetch ?
[14:01] <ToyKeeper> I only know what it printed onscreen, which didn't include that much detail.
[14:02] <lifeless> ToyKeeper: well, did you end up with a working tree?
[14:03] <ToyKeeper> Yes, the result seems to work fine.
[14:04] <jelmer> ToyKeeper: You'd want http://svn.gnome.org/svn/sawfish/trunk rather than http://svn.gnome.org/svn/sawfish
[14:04] <jelmer> ToyKeeper: Or perhaps bzr svn-import http://svn.gnome.org/svn/sawfish
[14:04] <lifeless> ToyKeeper: so 'yes it was building a working tree'
[14:05] <lifeless> next thing would be to try fethcing into a treless branch
[14:05] <ToyKeeper> lifeless: Oh, sorry, I parsed that as "functional result".  Yes, it included a working tree.  :)
[14:06] <ToyKeeper> jelmer: Yes, I plan to fetch only the trunk for a real conversion.  90% of the files are in tags/, and that's wasteful.  I used the repo root just as a test case.
[14:06] <jelmer> ToyKeeper: That's an unfair comparison with git-svn then though
[14:07] <ToyKeeper> I fetched the repo root with git, too.
[14:07] <jelmer> Ah, ok. Sorry
[14:07] <jelmer> I wasn't aware it could do that
[14:12] <ToyKeeper> The behavior of git is mostly irrelevant.  I just wanted a vague idea what people might expect after using other tools.
[14:17]  * jelmer tries to reproduce
[14:24] <ToyKeeper> I hope the gnome server admins don't mind me sending hundreds of thousands of http requests as I poke at this.
[14:25] <Jc2k> poke what :o
[14:25] <Jc2k> hmm
[14:25] <Jc2k> ToyKeeper: why are you poking sawfish via svn
[14:26] <Jc2k> bzr branch http://bzr-mirror.gnome.org/bzr/sawfish/trunk ??
[14:26] <ToyKeeper> Jc2k: The sawfish project is considering moving to git or bzr, so I'm looking into the migration details.
[14:27] <Jc2k> well its already kinda migrated to both :)
[14:27] <lifeless> gnight
[14:27] <Jc2k> you can get an rsync of the sawfish module svn stuff if you want to keep running conversions though
[14:28] <Jc2k> either ask bkor or i can throw up a .tar.gz on my webspace for you
[14:28] <jelmer> conversion of sawfish trunk here took 20 minutes
[14:29] <jelmer> unfortunately I was away for a bit while it was building the working tree :-/
[14:32]  * LarstiQ chains jelmer to his chair
[14:34] <ToyKeeper> Jc2k: Any chance of getting tag data in those mirrors?  :)
[14:35] <Jc2k> ToyKeeper: git-mirror has tags, bzr-mirror.. i don't know how to, but the tags exist as branches
[14:35] <Jc2k> http://bzr-mirror.gnome.org/bzr/sawfish/tags/
[14:39] <ToyKeeper> In any case, whether or not grabbing from root makes sense, it does help expose a memory issue.
[14:45] <jelmer> hmm, this appears to be related to the number of write groups I use in bzr-svn
[15:21] <nandersson> Is there a faster way to push/pull to central repository than using the prefix sftp:// ? I've got a shared key solution today but I've heard something you could still use SSH without having to use sftp?
[15:22] <LarstiQ> nandersson: bzr+ssh://, the drawback is that that requires having bzr on the remote side. If that is no problem, it will be faster than sftp://
[15:23] <LarstiQ> nandersson: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/user-guide/index.html#id60
[15:24] <nandersson> LarstiQ, Thanks for that!
[15:25] <LarstiQ> nandersson: np :)
[15:25]  * LarstiQ heads off to Parkpop
[15:27] <jelmer> LarstiQ, enjoy!
[15:49] <nandersson> I'm a first time Launchpad user and I've created a new empty branch, factoryx-java, that I try to push to with: bzr push lp:~niklas-andersson/+junk/factoryx-java
[15:49] <nandersson> but I get this error: bzr: ERROR: Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[15:50] <dato> nandersson: try running `bzr lp-login` first
[15:51] <nandersson> aha, thanks!
[15:54] <nandersson> dato, Thanks a lot! Now I'm up'n running
[15:54] <dato> nandersson, great
[16:22] <nandersson> How do I get Eclipse 3.4 into Ubuntu 8.04 without breaking the repository?
[16:23] <nandersson> ...or Eclipse 3.3 even..
[17:39] <bpeterson> is there something like svn:keywords in Bazaar?
[18:02] <Kinnison> bpeterson: I believe someone has written a plugin to do them
[18:02] <Kinnison> nasty things though they are

[19:04] <jelmer> beuno, ping
[19:20] <jelmer> ToyKeeper, still there?
[19:21] <jelmer> whatever happened to your diff panel patch ?
[19:47] <beuno> emgent, pong
[19:47] <beuno> er
[19:48] <beuno> jelmer, pong
[19:48] <beuno> emgent, ignore me :)
[19:48] <jelmer> beuno: was just wondering if you had time to do some patch reviewing for bzr-gtk
[19:48] <beuno> jelmer, sure, I can spare an hour or so after I eat something   :)
[19:48] <beuno> es BB up?
[19:49] <beuno> it is, cool
[19:49] <beuno> I'll get to it in a while
[19:50] <beuno> is there a release date for 0.95?
[19:52] <jelmer> not yet
[19:52] <jelmer> I would like to get daniels signature checking fixed
[19:53] <beuno> sounds like a good idea
[19:53] <beuno> I've been toying with the idea of getting bzr-search integrated on there
[19:53] <beuno> it should't be too much work
[19:54] <beuno> I've just been crazy busy
[19:55] <jelmer> Yeah, that would be a really neat thing
[19:56] <beuno> most of the backend stuff can be re-used from Loggerhead, so it's more about the interface
[19:57] <beuno> anyway, off to get food. I'll try and go through the whole batch when I get back
[19:57] <beuno> and, btw, I just re-poked the DD about bzr-upload
[19:57] <jelmer> ah, thanks
[19:57] <beuno> but I suppose it may be time to find someone else...  :(
[19:57] <jelmer> oh, ok
[19:57] <beuno> I can keep on poking, just don't want to keep on delaying it
[19:58] <jelmer> k
[19:58] <beuno> thanks for packaging that, btw  :)
[20:15] <enquest> I keep getting this error when updating. But I don't get on wich file bzr: ERROR: [Errno 13] Permission denied
[20:15] <enquest> Can I force or see some log to know where the error is?
[20:20] <jelmer> ~/.bzr.log may be able to tell you
[20:25] <jelmer> beuno: Is there a loggerhead example up somewhere that does search?
[20:29] <Jc2k> jelmer: http://bzr-mirror.gnome.org:8080/$MODULE/trunk
[20:29] <Jc2k> :)
[20:31] <jelmer> Jc2k, ah, thanks :-)
[20:37] <jelmer> beuno, J2ck: coming up with the right UI would be the hardest bit I guess
[20:37] <Jc2k> aye
[20:38] <jelmer> I just sent a patch that allows indexing branches from "bzr viz"
[20:41] <Jc2k> nice
[21:02] <baco> If I rename a repo, and one of it's branches, manually, the only thing affected would be the Working trees generated as checkouts of this branch?
[21:11] <jelmer> beuno: Just saw a bzr-upload upload, thanks!
[21:17] <enquest> jelmer, there is no .bzr/log
[21:18] <enquest> or .bzr.log
[21:18] <jelmer> enquest: .bzr.log in your home directory
[21:19] <enquest> jelmer no there is not much more info in there
[21:19] <enquest> it crashes when always when updating a file
[21:20] <enquest> jelmer, here the traceback http://dpaste.com/59818/
[21:21] <jelmer> enquest, no idea what's going wrong, sorry
[21:21] <jelmer> wb LarstiQ
[21:25] <LarstiQ> jelmer: thanks, firewall problems ftl
[21:25] <davidstrauss> Is there a good tool for browsing bzr repositories on the Web?
[21:26] <LarstiQ> davidstrauss: do you mean something like loggerhead?
[21:27] <LarstiQ> davidstrauss: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr/trunk/revision/3513
[21:28] <davidstrauss> LarstiQ: yes, but i couldn't find good info on it
[21:30] <LarstiQ> davidstrauss: what kind of info are you looking for?
[21:30] <davidstrauss> LarstiQ: Documentation for it
[21:32] <davidstrauss> LarstiQ: many of the related sites seem to be down or devoid of information
[21:33] <davidstrauss> LarstiQ: for example, http://www.lag.net/bzr.dev/changes
[21:40] <lifeless> moin
[21:40] <Jc2k> moin
[21:41] <Jc2k> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/funny-pictures-never-trust-a-feline-technician.jpg
[21:41] <lifeless> davidstrauss: hi, what sort of info do you want? https://launchpad.net/loggerhead/ is the home for loggerhead these days
[21:41] <davidstrauss> lifeless: thanks
[21:50] <thumper> lifeless: morning
[21:50] <lifeless> hi thumper
[21:51] <thumper> lifeless: do you have a date for the move across the ditch?
[21:51] <lifeless> enquest: for some reason the rename is failing
[21:51] <lifeless> enquest: renames on window et permission denied when a file is open - is it possible that you have a file in your tree open in an editor ?
[21:52] <enquest> lifeless, I found it ther was a directory not in the right permission but bzr didn't tel me wich one
[21:52] <lifeless> thumper: not yet, currently getting budget size from bank
[21:52] <lifeless> enquest: cool; could you file a bug please?
[21:52] <thumper> lifeless: fun, fun
[21:53] <lifeless> how much is the house you want? I don't know, how much can I ask for? well it depends on the house ...
[22:02] <beuno> jelmer, seems the poking finally payed off!
[22:02] <beuno> lifeless, hey!
[22:02] <lifeless> hi beuno
[22:03] <beuno> how did the search talk go?
[22:03] <lifeless> good
[22:03] <lifeless> http://www.robertcollins.net/talks/bzr/200806-slug
[22:04]  * beuno branches
[22:04] <lifeless> it was taped as well
[22:04] <beuno> anything interesting come out of it?
[22:05] <lifeless> nothing major
[22:10] <jelmer> lifeless, Search seems to depend on weave_store existing, is that right?
[22:11] <jelmer> lifeless, I've got a pending merge request that adds an Index button to bzr viz
[22:11] <beuno> not pending anymore  :)
[22:11] <lifeless> jelmer: I was going to update it for bzr.dev in the weekend
[22:12] <lifeless> jelmer: but I had some stomach updaset and spent most of it in bed taking drugs :(
[22:12] <jelmer> lifeless: ah, ouch :-/
[22:13] <lifeless> yah not fun
[22:14] <lifeless> still hurts a bit now, but fingers cross I'll get some code written
[22:14] <ferringb> curious, anyone seen issues w/ create_signatures (gpg) for bzr 1.5 on gentoo?
[22:17] <ferringb> ...specifics being the signing generally just hanging
[22:18] <lifeless> I wouls strace -ff and see whats happening
[22:19]  * ferringb mutters, was expecting that suggestion
[22:19] <ferringb> was hoping someone had a solution that didn't involve me debugging it myself ;)
[22:19] <lifeless> ferringb: (no I haven't heard anyone else complain)
[22:19] <lifeless> ferringb: I expect its the gpg command doing something you don't expect
[22:19] <ferringb> yep
[22:19] <ferringb> gpg-agent specifically seems to be implicated
[22:22] <bjwebb_> hello
[22:22] <bjwebb_> why should i choose bzr over git?
[22:23] <ferringb> lifeless: reminds me, noticed your nick a couple of times in trac-bzr discussions- any comments on that pkg?
[22:23] <ferringb> lifeless: specifically, areas of improvement, if it's still actively maintained, etc
[22:23] <lifeless> jelmer: uhm -
[22:23] <lifeless>   File "/home/robertc/.bazaar/plugins/svn/fileids.py", line 20, in <module>
[22:23] <lifeless>     from bzrlib.knit import make_file_knit
[22:24] <lifeless> jelmer: which url should I pull from to fix that ?
[22:24] <lifeless> bjwebb_: because its better overall ?
[22:24] <lifeless> bjwebb_: (sorry if that sounds flippant)
[22:24] <bjwebb_> lol
[22:24] <bjwebb_> for example?
[22:26] <lifeless> less tightly coupled to ext3 internals, less portability issues, more hackable (written in python), more approachable UI
[22:26] <lifeless> tracks renames
[22:26] <lifeless> uhm
[22:27] <lifeless> what I hear from git refugees who start using bzr is that bzr is 'nicer' and 'more pleasant' and 'not in their way'
[22:27] <bjwebb_> oooh, tracks renames
[22:27] <bjwebb_> nice
[22:27] <jelmer> lifeless: 0.4 branch
[22:28] <bjwebb_> any good bzr hosts than propreitarypad?
[22:28] <uws> bjwebb_: any web host will do
[22:28] <lifeless> bjwebb_: http://kubasik.net/blog/tag/bzr/
[22:28] <lifeless> bjwebb_: point 9
[22:28] <lifeless> bjwebb_: really sums up what we are trying to achieve - and I think we _are_ achieving it
[22:29] <lifeless> bjwebb_: alioth, savannah (though their support is in beta and not yet polished)
[22:29] <lifeless> bjwebb_: oh, if it matters - bzr is a GNU project
[22:29] <bjwebb_> it is now, nah, doesn't really matter to me
[22:30] <bjwebb_> all that matters on the ethical side is that it is free software
[22:30] <bjwebb_> so bzr does branches as directories in the way that cvs and svn do
[22:31] <lifeless> I read that as 'can you checkout arbitrary subdirectories of a branch'? (Is that a fair translation?)
[22:31] <lifeless> jelmer: whats the url
[22:32] <jelmer> lifeless, http://people.samba.org/bzr/jelmer/bzr-svn/0.4
[22:32] <jelmer> It's also registered in launchpad, I believe as lp:~jelmer/bzr-svn/0.4
[22:33] <lifeless> jelmer: its rich-root, or subtrees
[22:34] <jelmer> lifeless: rrp
[22:34] <uws> are those repo formats documented somewhere?
[22:34] <uws> I often have no clue what to use
[22:34] <uws> (and why I should choose)
[22:35] <berto-> i'm having trouble using bzr-svn.  when I try to branch an svn repo I get the message "Unable to load bzr-svn extensions - did you build it?"  After downloading the svn plugin I ran "make" in the svn dir.  anything else I need to do?
[22:35] <jelmer> http://bazaar-vcs.org/BazaarFormats, although it doesn't appear to be up to date
[22:35] <RAOF> Are reports about the svn-1.5 branch of bzr-svn wanted?
[22:35] <jelmer> RAOF: the 0.4 branch should work fine with subversion 1.5
[22:36] <RAOF> berto-: Right.  That's something I'm meaning to report; the modules seem to be installed a directory or two too low.
[22:36] <lifeless> uws: yes
[22:36] <RAOF> jelmer: I take that to be a "no", then. :)
[22:36] <lifeless> uws: in the doc/developers/repository-formats.txt i think
[22:36] <jelmer> RAOF: Well, reports are always welcome :-)
[22:37] <uws> bzr help init   has some info as well it seems
[22:37] <berto-> RAOF: what can i do to make it work?
[22:37] <jelmer> RAOF: I just wouldn't recommend using that branch if you're just looking to try out bzr-svn as opposed to working with it
[22:37] <jelmer> berto-: You installed bzr-svn in ~/.bazaar/plugins/svn ?
[22:37] <berto-> jelmer: yes, sir.
[22:37] <RAOF> jelmer: I was just kinda interested.  Depending on how the mood takes me, I may actually hack on it, too.
[22:38] <RAOF> Well, the reports are: the modules are installed in the wrong place, and they generate a bus error in ra.c on x86-64 :).
[22:38] <jelmer> berto-: Any errors in ~/.bzr.log ?
[22:38] <lifeless> bjwebb_: I read your lasst question as 'can you checkout arbitrary subdirectories of a branch'? (Is that a fair translation?)
[22:38] <bjwebb_> not quite
[22:38] <jelmer> RAOF: The bus error was fixed about a week ago - are you using a recent revision?
[22:38] <berto-> jelmer: 1 sec, i'm going to clean out my log and repro the error
[22:38] <bjwebb_> i get the impression that in svn adn cvs branches are just directories
[22:39] <bjwebb_> wheras in git they are kindof abstracted
[22:39] <RAOF> jelmer: Yes.  Pulled as of yesterday.
[22:39] <jelmer> RAOF, and rebuilt?
[22:39] <RAOF> Yes, but I'll check again.
[22:40] <lifeless> bjwebb_: ah; so in cvs a branch is orthogonal to directories, they are identified by tags
[22:40] <lifeless> bjwebb_: in svn a branch is just a directory
[22:40] <bjwebb_> right
[22:40] <bjwebb_> whats it like in bzr?
[22:40] <lifeless> in git and bzr and hg etc branches are first class objects
[22:40] <berto-> jelmer: the last interesting bit looks to be: UnboundLocalError: local variable 'version' referenced before assignment
[22:40] <berto-> jelmer: i can send you the entire traceback if you wish.
[22:41] <lifeless> bjwebb_: that said, I strongly believe that we have gone too far
[22:41] <jelmer> berto-: Any chance you can pastebin it?
[22:41] <lifeless> and need to restore some of the flexibility that cvs/svn displayed in this area
[22:42] <pygi> in any DVCS branches are first class
[22:42] <pygi> :)
[22:42] <berto-> jelmer: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/78162/
[22:42]  * pygi hides
[22:42] <lifeless> pygi: :)
[22:43] <jelmer> berto-: That's odd - what revno of bzr-svn are you using?
[22:44]  * pygi is practicing for the book xD
[22:44] <berto-> jelmer: revno: 1368, just downloaded it last night.
[22:44] <RAOF> jelmer: Gah.  Apparently I _hadn't_ rebuilt.  Sorry for the noise.
[22:45] <berto-> jelmer: i'm working on cleaning out some other stuff.
[22:45] <jelmer> berto-: Did "make" create a ra.so file in your plugin directory?
[22:45] <berto-> jelmer: yes it did.
[22:46] <berto-> jelmer: ra.so client.so wc.so and repos.so
[22:49] <berto-> jelmer: i see pycurl errors in my .bzr.log; is that from bzr-svn?  i should install pycurl, working on that ...
[22:49] <lifeless> berto-: you don't need pycurl
[22:50] <berto-> lifeless: ok, thanks.  wonder what the pycurl error is all about then ...
[22:50] <lifeless> berto-: its probing for it is all
[22:50] <jelmer> berto-: What is the error exactly?
[22:50] <lifeless> berto-: it possibly needs to be toned down :)
[22:52] <berto-> lifeless: jelmer: here's the entire log: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/78163/
[22:56] <jelmer> RAOF: I've add some code to make bzr-svn warn when the extensions are out of date
[22:57]  * LarstiQ thought that was some sort of acronym at first
[22:57] <jelmer> *warning
[22:58] <jelmer> berto-: please update your version of bzr-svn and try again
[22:59] <lifeless> jelmer:  http://rafb.net/p/uWYMxK12.html
[22:59] <jelmer> lifeless, you need to have libsvn-dev installed
[23:00] <lifeless> jelmer: then the exception could note that :)
[23:01] <berto-> jelmer: i'd go about doing that by running "bzr pull" ?
[23:01] <jelmer> berto-: yep, followed by 'make'
[23:02] <berto-> jelmer: i really messed something up: bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://people.samba.org/bzr/jelmer/bzr-svn/stable/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[23:02] <lifeless> berto-: if you have a checkout, use 'bzr update'
[23:02] <jelmer> lifeless: It certainly could :-)
[23:02] <lifeless> berto-: pull always affects the branch, and a checkout (or bound branch) will try to affect the master
[23:02] <jelmer> lifeless: I'll see if I can add that at some point
[23:03] <lifeless> jelmer: it already tries to be helpful ...
[23:03] <lifeless> cc1: warnings being treated as errors
[23:03] <lifeless> ra.c:979: warning: â defined but not used
[23:03] <lifeless> ra.c:998: warning: â defined but not used
[23:03] <berto-> jelmer after running "bzr update" i'm still on revno 1368.
[23:04] <jelmer> berto-: Looks like I accidently replaced that symlink with a copy
[23:04] <berto-> looks like i checked out the stable branch; should i have checked ot a dev branch?
[23:04] <jelmer> berto-: Should be fixed now, please try again
[23:04] <lifeless> jelmer: you have mixed tabs/spaces in these files; bit of an eyesore with 4-wide tab setting
[23:05] <berto-> jelmer: merging ...
[23:05] <lifeless> jelmer: I've unset my CFLAGS to build
[23:06] <jelmer> lifeless: Fixed, will push later
[23:06] <jelmer> lifeless: There are no unused variables - you are probably compiling with heavy optimization?
[23:06] <berto-> jelmer: looks better, but still getting an error: ImportError: dlopen(/Users/berto/.bazaar/plugins/svn/client.so, 2): Symbol not found: _apr_array_make
[23:07] <berto-> jelmer: i think i need to rebuild my svn's python bindinds now.
[23:07] <lifeless> jelmer:
[23:07] <lifeless>  echo $CFLAGS
[23:07] <lifeless> -g -O2 -Wall -Werror -fno-strict-aliasing
[23:07] <jelmer> berto-: No, this is probably a bug in bzr-svn
[23:07] <jelmer> berto-: It no longer uses the standard Python subversion bindings
[23:07] <jelmer> berto-: what platform are you on?
[23:07] <berto-> jelmer: oh, i see.  os x
[23:08] <berto-> jelmer: so, these instructions are obsolete?  http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrForeignBranches/Subversion#mac-os-x
[23:08] <jelmer> berto-: yes, for the development branch of bzr-svn
[23:08] <berto-> jelmer: and i spent forever figuring out building subversion properly last night, *sigh*.  ;)
[23:08] <LarstiQ> berto-: always a useful skill :)
[23:09] <berto-> LarstiQ: not reallly complaining, just that one thing leads to another, to another.  kinda reminds me of when i used to use redhat and rpm didn't have any sort of auto-dependency bits.
[23:10] <berto-> jelmer: if there's anything you'd like me to test on OS X, let me know.
[23:10] <jelmer> berto-: Sorry :-/ It'd be nice if somebody with Mac OS X can update those instructions at some point
[23:10] <jelmer> berto-: I'm pushing a fix that should take care of that unresolved symbol
[23:10] <berto-> jelmer: once i get this working, i'll do it.
[23:11] <berto-> jelmer: the instructions are going to be much easier if the python svn bindings aren't even needed anymore.
[23:13] <jelmer> ooh, somebody improved the message displayed when a lock is active
[23:13] <jelmer> berto-: Thanks
[23:14] <jelmer> berto-, pushed
[23:14] <jelmer> please try again with r1387
[23:14] <jelmer> you may need to run "make clean; make" after updating
[23:16] <berto-> kind of a tangent, but anyone know how i can tell "make" not to build -arch ppc?
[23:16] <jelmer> beuno: Thanks for the reviews
[23:16] <jelmer> berto-: instead of make you can also run "./setup.py build_ext --inplace" - perhaps it's easier to override for that
[23:16] <jelmer> ?
[23:18] <beuno> jelmer, np. One to go, the progress bar one. Left the largest for last
[23:18] <jelmer> beuno: Ok, I'll start merging
[23:19] <berto-> jelmer: ImportError: dlopen(/Users/berto/.bazaar/plugins/svn/client.so, 2): Symbol not found: _svn_auth_first_credentials
[23:20] <berto-> jelmer: Referenced from: /Users/berto/.bazaar/plugins/svn/client.so
[23:20] <LarstiQ> jelmer: aaah, I think I might know where my svn-push problem lies
[23:21] <jelmer> Hmm, it's probably going to take a long time if I keep pushing changes for each of these
[23:21] <LarstiQ> (a missing prefix, lp:bzr-svn/0.4 warns about it, 0.4.10 didn't)
[23:22] <berto-> jelmer: do you want me to get patches some other way?
[23:22] <berto-> rsync or something?
[23:22] <jelmer> berto-: in setup.py, line 106, can you add "svn_subr-1" to libraries ?
[23:22]  * LarstiQ growls at having to enter authentication endlessly
[23:22] <LarstiQ> as in, at least every revision :(
[23:22] <jelmer> LarstiQ, what sort of prefix?
[23:23] <LarstiQ> jelmer: repo path, pushing to /misc/plagg while /misc didn't exist
[23:23] <LarstiQ> jelmer: it's a known problem that I have to authenticate more than once?
[23:24] <jelmer> LarstiQ: Yeah, but that's all in bzr itself
[23:24] <berto-> jelmer: line 106 in setup.py lands me in the middle of setup's packages param's list
[23:24] <LarstiQ> jelmer: right. I'll just enter it the 102 times now.
[23:25] <berto-> jelmer: setup.py is revno: 1387, timestamp: Mon 2008-06-30 00:09:57 +0200
[23:25] <jelmer> berto-: That should be the line with
[23:25] <jelmer>           SvnExtension("client", ["client.c", "editor.c", "util.c", "ra.c", "wc.c"], libraries=["svn_client-1", "svn_auth-1"]),
[23:26] <jelmer> s/auth/subr
[23:26] <beuno> hrm, jelmer, I get this when trying to see the diff from a revision in bzr viz:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/23812/
[23:26] <beuno> is that a known issue?
[23:26] <berto-> jelmer: that's line 109 for me.
[23:26] <jelmer> beuno: Not until now :-)
[23:26] <jelmer> berto-: ah, ok
[23:26] <jelmer> berto-: s/106/109 then :-)
[23:28] <berto-> i need to figure out a problem where -lapr-1 doesn't work with leopard's linker.
[23:28] <berto-> if i swap -lapr-1 with /usr/lib/libapr-1.dylib it works fine, but doing that 7 times for each gcc command that fails is a pain.
[23:30] <jelmer> does "apr-config --link-libtool" return that perhaps?
[23:30] <berto-> jelmer: [berto@bolt][1422]$ apr-1-config --link-libtool
[23:30] <berto->  -L/usr/lib -R/usr/lib -lapr-1
[23:31] <berto-> leopard was released with a new linker and i've run into this ever since.  i finally need to just figure out the solution.
[23:33] <lifeless> jelmer: 1.6b3 suppport pushing now
[23:33] <jelmer> lifeless: Hmm?
[23:34] <beuno> jelmer, ironically, you removed that from bzrlib: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr/trunk/revision/pqm%40pqm.ubuntu.com-20080529152850-mdjpxxj9futs06vu?start_revid=pqm%40pqm.ubuntu.com-20080627225315-j2xpbsvjyya1s97y
[23:34] <jelmer> beuno: yes, but only because it was broken anyway there
[23:35] <beuno> right, we let a patch in from Javier which introduced it
[23:35] <beuno> let me see what I can do
[23:35] <lifeless> jelmer: pushed
[23:35] <beuno> lifeless, for bzr-search?
[23:35] <lifeless> jelmer: you wanted bzr-search for VersionedFiles
[23:35] <beuno> yay!   :)
[23:35] <jelmer> ahh
[23:35] <jelmer> lifeless: awesome, thanks
[23:38] <lifeless> jelmer: trying bzr index now via the .texts and .inventories stores
[23:39] <LarstiQ> jelmer: check, bzr.dev + 0.4 succeeds in pushing the tree
[23:39] <jelmer> LarstiQ: Ah, you're finally done entering your passwords ? ;-)
[23:39] <lifeless> jelmer: (by which I mean, svn co foo foo; cd foo; bzr index)
[23:39] <LarstiQ> jelmer: 110 times..
[23:40] <LarstiQ> some setup at the start, and then once for every of the 102 revisions
[23:40] <lifeless> ?!
[23:40] <LarstiQ> jelmer: but bzr1.5 + 0.4.10 tracebacked
[23:41] <jelmer> lifeless: I hope there's enough of them implemented
[23:41] <jelmer> LarstiQ: What was the traceback exactly?
[23:42] <lifeless> jelmer: it hasn't failed yet; but I think its going to be _slow_
[23:42] <lifeless> jelmer: if it doesn't fail, I'll file a bug
[23:43]  * jelmer already sees the lp bug mail coming in: "[NEW] bzr plugins work too well together"
[23:45] <LarstiQ> jelmer: tried with 1.5/0.4.10 again, prefix didn't help
[23:46] <jelmer> LarstiQ: what was the exact backtrace?
[23:48] <LarstiQ> jelmer: http://rafb.net/p/23kX4935.html
[23:49] <jelmer> LarstiQ, thanks
[23:49] <LarstiQ> jelmer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-svn/+bug/242979 perhaps?
[23:49] <jelmer> LarstiQ, that's a different error code
[23:50] <LarstiQ> doh
[23:50] <jelmer> berto-, any luck?
[23:50]  * LarstiQ meant https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-svn/+bug/240954
[23:50] <LarstiQ> but that looks different
[23:50] <jelmer> LarstiQ: Yeah, that could indeed be related
[23:51] <berto-> jelmer: i compiled the long way and still get the same error i sent you earlier.  i'm trying to figure out if it's something i did wrong.
[23:51] <jelmer> berto-: Did you add "svn_subr-1" to the libraries list for "client"?
[23:53] <berto-> jelmer: 1 sec ...


[00:15] <gamerchick02> hello party people
[00:20] <rick_h_> party
[00:29] <gamerchick02> how's CHC? i cleaned and called my mom and now i'm watching Nature.
[00:30] <gamerchick02> also i'm tired right now too so going out is like not going to work for me (work's been taking whatever energy i have and sucking it out of me :( )
[01:25] <cmaloney> CHC is going we..
[01:50] <cmaloney> well, even
[11:48] <cmaloney> morning
[11:51] <rick_h_> morn
[12:55] <SneakyPhil> good morning
[12:56] <SneakyPhil> I have a question not specifically about linux, but dealing with people
[12:57] <SneakyPhil> Throughout my env I have been using saltstack for config management etc for months now
[12:57] <SneakyPhil> the other week the IT director decided that we need to jump onto the chef wagon because another company we work with uses it
[12:58] <SneakyPhil> Has anyone ever needed to rip out something that has been working well to replace it with esssentially the same thing?
[12:58] <cmaloney> Have you played with Chef at all?
[12:58] <SneakyPhil> I have been, yes. To me it's not as good feeling as writing salt states
[12:59] <cmaloney> But to answer your question: Yep, been there multiple times
[12:59] <cmaloney> What's your relationship with the IT director?
[13:00] <SneakyPhil> "sneakyphil is the guy who does the linux things and plays jesus for me"
[13:01] <SneakyPhil> my developers have taken saltstack upon themselves for their own projects even
[13:02] <cmaloney> Then you need to talk
[13:02] <cmaloney> show him what the differences are and why Chef might not fit
[13:02] <cmaloney> Have an adult conversation about it. :)
[13:02] <SneakyPhil> heh
[13:02] <SneakyPhil> thank you
[13:03] <SneakyPhil> to powerpoint
[13:03]  * SneakyPhil away
[13:03] <cmaloney> Well, you don't necessarily need powerpoint
[13:03] <cmaloney> just a simple "here's what we're currently doin,g and here's why Chef might not be a good fit"
[14:26] <rick_h_> jcastro: hah love http://www.jorgecastro.org/2015/04/09/keeping-your-options-open
[14:26] <jcastro> :D
[14:51] <cmaloney> jcastro: Nice.
[14:52] <cmaloney> I'm continually amazed that HP is a footnote in cloud
[14:52] <cmaloney> I hear more about Microsoft cloud services than HP
[14:52] <jrwren> cmaloney: might appreciate this
[14:52] <jrwren> Armageddon Dildos into Rachmaninov
[14:52] <cmaloney> on orders of magnatude
[14:52] <jrwren> THAT IS A TRANSITION
[14:53] <jrwren> cmaloney: that is because HPs cloud really sucks.
[14:53] <cmaloney> jrwren: Sounds like a great covers album
[14:53] <cmaloney> ;)
[14:53] <cmaloney> jrwren: What blessed you with that transition?
[14:53] <jrwren> cmaloney: hahaha, no covers, just a jolting transition.
[14:53] <jrwren> cmaloney: itunes random
[14:54] <jrwren> cmaloney: from "My Top Rated"
[14:54] <cmaloney> jrwren: Seriously though, how hard could it be to just be a provider of cloud boxes
[14:54] <cmaloney> jrwren: gah, that seems inevitable then (re: transitions)
[14:54] <cmaloney> Rachmaninov is one of my favorite composers / performers.
[14:54] <jrwren> cmaloney: its HP. "Seriously though, how hard could it be" and then messing up is what they've done for the past 20yrs in IT.
[14:55] <jrwren> cmaloney: this rachmaninov I got by your recommendation. its DSO performing
[14:55] <cmaloney> jrwren: Ah, nice.
[14:55] <jrwren> Symphony No 2
[14:55] <cmaloney> That's a great album
[14:55] <cmaloney> no. 3 lacks a bit but no. 2 is amazing.


[16:01] <shaunm> mdke: ping
[16:01] <mdke> shaunm: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back)
[16:01] <shaunm> wow, freaky
[16:01] <shaunm> oh, auto-reply
[16:02] <shaunm> mdke: can you point me to the xslt customization you guys use for the web?
[16:03] <shaunm> I'm making some changes to mal2html.page.linktrails to make it easier to customize. I remember you have customizations for it, so I want to make sure my changes make things better for you
[16:37] <shaunm> I've added two stub templates for customizations: one to insert extra links (or whatever) at the beginning of each trail
[16:37] <shaunm> and one that's called if there are no trails to output (i.e. mal.link.linktrails returns nothing)
[16:38] <shaunm> I'm pretty sure that's exactly what you need to get the extra site links without overriding non-stub templates
[22:02] <elz89> I can't get the italic docbook tag to work?
[22:02] <elz89> I'm doing <emphasis role="italic">ethX</emphasis>
[22:47] <nuno> hello there good evening
[23:01] <elz89> hi nuno
[23:02] <nuno> elz89: hi elz :)
[23:03] <nuno> elz89: i would like to contribute to the community by translating things, how can i do that?
[23:04] <nuno> elz89: i'm a Ubuntu/Linux noob actually, but, i loved the OS so much that i want to take part of the project and help in anything i can :)
[23:06] <elz89> nuno: OK, stick around. I am new to this all myself, but I am working on the 12.04 LTS Server Docs at the moment. Hopefully someone can advise you further.
[23:06] <shaunm> elz89: how are you viewing the docbook file?
[23:07] <nuno> elz89: I'm Portuguese, and i'm bilingual, ENG/PT. That's where i can contribute most
[23:07] <elz89> shaunm: leafpad
[23:08] <nuno> elz89: i will thanks :)
[23:08] <elz89> nuno: like I said, stick around buddy, someone will point you in the right direction.
[23:08] <shaunm> elz89: I'm confused. that's a text editor, yes?
[23:08] <elz89> yes
[23:08] <elz89> what should I be using?
[23:08] <nuno> elz89: Thank you
[23:08] <shaunm> I'm just not sure what you mean by not being able to get <emphasis> to work
[23:09] <elz89> <emphasis role="italic">ethX</emphasis>
[23:09] <elz89> does not make ethX italic?
[23:09] <shaunm> yes, when docbook is rendered to some format like html. in leafpad, you're just seeing the markup
[23:10] <elz89> I am talking about after render.
[23:10] <shaunm> and the role attribute isn't necessary. every docbook processor I know of does italic by default for emphasis
[23:10] <elz89> shaunm: well I'm new to this so...
[23:10] <shaunm> it's cool
[23:11] <shaunm> sorry, that's what I was asking about. what tool are you using to render docbook to what?
[23:11] <elz89> 'make serverguide' is what i run
[23:12] <shaunm> does it show what commands it's running when you do that?
[23:12] <shaunm> possibly an xsltproc command?
[23:12] <elz89> yes i installed that package
[23:13] <elz89> and bzr docbook docbook-xsl xsltproc
[23:13] <shaunm> does it print the entire command it's using?
[23:13] <elz89> I could pastebin the entire command?
[23:13] <shaunm> there are two completely separate sets of docbook->html xslt transforms that are probably installed on your system
[23:13] <elz89> after 'make serverguide' ?
[23:13] <shaunm> that would be great
[23:13] <shaunm> yeah
[23:14] <elz89> ok
[23:14] <elz89> shaunm: gimme a min, on an Atom :-P
[23:22] <elz89> pastebinit clipped it at line 41 but here is the start http://paste.ubuntu.com/743731/
[23:23] <elz89> nuno: do you have a launchpad account?
[23:23] <nuno> elz89: no can you please tell where to register one?
[23:23] <elz89> nuno: take a look at this, but grab yourself an account first: https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/ubuntu-translators
[23:24] <shaunm> hum, I guess I'd have to know what ubuntu-html-chunk-cust.xsl is calling
[23:24] <nuno> elz89: thanks elz ;)
[23:24] <shaunm> where's mdke when you need him? :)
[23:24] <elz89> shaunm: sorry.
[23:25] <elz89> nuno: No problem buddy.
[23:27] <shaunm> oh, that's interesting
[23:27] <elz89> shaunm: ???
[23:28] <shaunm> docbook-xsl will actually not do the default italic formatting for any unrecognized roles
[23:28] <shaunm> drop the attribute. that should work
[23:28] <elz89> shaunm: but sometime I use "bold" ?
[23:29] <shaunm> yeah, so use role="bold" when you want bold, but don't use a role attribute when you just want italic
[23:29] <shaunm> (I'm kind of surprised the code works that way, but it does)
[23:30] <elz89> shaunm: I have been using this and only this so far... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/DocbookTags
[23:30] <shaunm> interesting
[23:31] <elz89> shaunm: so am I not using the version of DocBook that the page and tags refer to then or?...
[23:31] <shaunm> it's not so much a different version of DocBook
[23:32] <shaunm> honestly, I've never seen anybody use role="italic" anywhere. I'm surprised to see it on that page
[23:32] <shaunm> I do know that the other docbook->html transforms, the ones that are used inside yelp, work differently. role="italic" will work in yelp
[23:32] <shaunm> (although it's still unnecessary)
[23:33] <shaunm> so perhaps the person who wrote that page always used yelp to view docbook
[23:33] <elz89> on that page it says <emphasis role="italic">ethX</emphasis> it right, right?
[23:33] <shaunm> I would just use <emphasis>ethX</emphasis>
[23:33] <elz89> shaunm: ok
[23:36] <elz89> shaunm: because the 'make serverguide process takes ages, is there a way to only rebuild the 'network-config.xml' page that I am working on?
[23:36] <elz89> nuno: how is it going with launchpad?
[23:37] <shaunm> elz89: no, not really. a docbook document generally has to be processed as a whole
[23:37] <nuno> elz89: i just registered, and found a translation group
[23:38] <elz89> nuno: I gave you the link to the translation group?
[23:38] <shaunm> you could just try reading the document in yelp though. yelp is generally faster than docbook-xsl
[23:38] <nuno> elz89: am i going in the right track?
[23:38] <elz89> shaunm: ok, no problem.
[23:39] <nuno> on the page it said to look for my local translation group
[23:39] <elz89> shaunm: now that is where I get lost
[23:39] <nuno> elz89: oh i already messed up? :D (facepalm)
[23:39] <elz89> nuno: ok, maybe it does, I am not to sure as far translation stuff goes.
[23:40] <nuno> in the PT translation group?
[23:40] <elz89> nuno: no not messed up, i'm just not 100% sure where you should be heading, just get a launchpad account for now, get your keys sorted etc...
[23:41] <nuno> elz89: ok already got the account registered :)
[23:41] <elz89> nuno: good lad
[23:41] <elz89> pgp next
[23:41] <elz89> keys etc...
[23:41] <elz89> don't worry about ssh for docs. (or so I have been told)
[23:41] <nuno> elz89: ;)
[23:48] <elz89> shaunm: could you help me to understand the difference between yelp and docbook-xsl. I have only just got going with this, and I want to start off on the right foot.


[03:23] <hads> ibeardslee: Happy birthday :)
[03:37] <chilts> again?
[03:38] <ibeardslee> last week, hads is catching up ;)
[08:32] <elky> Nobody told you that after certain milestones you age 52 times faster?
[09:31] <ajmitch> usually the milestones that end in a 0
[09:51] <Atamira> its all downhill from 21
[09:51] <Atamira> you seem to age faster after that
[20:08] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:09] <snail> mōrena koutou
[21:25] <thumper> morning
[21:27] <ajmitch> morning
[21:27] <hads> Morning
[21:28] <hads> Woke up to a legal document for reading, painful.


[05:36] <viswa> Juju currently was not able to download the lxc image on deploying apps if we configure MaaS internal proxy (3128) in juju model-config both for juju-httt(s) and snap; if we configure organization proxy 8080 then lxc image was successful but then charm download fails;  how to fix this?
[05:36] <viswa> Is that problem with Jujud? or Is I am doing something wrong?
[06:22] <viswa> any help on Juju proxy issue?
[06:22] <viswa> Juju currently was not able to download the lxc image on deploying apps if we configure MaaS internal proxy (3128) in juju model-config both for juju-httt(s) and snap; if we configure organization proxy 8080 then lxc image was successful but then charm download fails;  how to fix this?
[08:09] <achilleasa> viswa: can you please post the proxy question you were having on https://discourse.jujucharms.com?
[08:10] <viswa> Sure I will do that
[08:13] <viswa> https://discourse.charmhub.io/t/juju-charm-fails-behave-differently-on-configuring-internal-vs-organization-proxy/4386
[08:13] <viswa> Finally I did and I wish I will get answer


[22:54] <WhoNeedszzz> chetnick, ha that could be the problem :)
[22:54] <soilworker> harm: choose the same.
[22:54] <harm> zeeeee:  yah been updated :P
[22:54] <harm> soilworker: ? huh
[22:54] <menijo_> soilworker: there seems to be no such thing installed
[22:54] <menijo_> thats weird
[22:54] <zeeeee> harm, ok, but in general, is there a log of what has been installed?
[22:54] <theom3ga> HOW can I change cups permissions?
[22:54] <thiebaude> harm:edit your menu to see if you can get rid of one of them
[22:55] <soilworker> menijo_ ¬¬
[22:55] <frank23> zeeeee: in synaptic click openssh package and  read the changelog
[22:55] <deadsoul> well, i'm trying the explaination whih mentioned here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java and installing the the openkde runtime and will see what will happen next...
[22:55] <zeeeee> harm, i mean, how would i check on my own?
[22:55] <deadsoul> anyway thanks a lot makkbe
[22:55] <Jburrke> hmm
[22:55] <harm> zeeeee: i read somewhere there has been an update about it already.. check changelog of the generator?
[22:55] <Kl4m> zeeeee: (hardy only) apt-cache show openssh-server, check if you have version 1:4.7p1-8ubuntu1
[22:55] <menijo_> soilworker: I quite don get it, i just installed all and did everything as you told.
[22:55] <ldiamond> Where is the running kernel in Ubuntu????
[22:56] <chetnick> WhoNeedszzz: tanks for help, i got it working :)
[22:56] <WhoNeedszzz> chetnick, no problem
[22:56] <Jburrke> i'm getting some wierd errors in rhythmbox.. it says "couldnt stop playback. unknown playback error"
[22:56] <Kl4m> ldiamond: where, as in its image file?
[22:56] <soilworker> menijo_ there's something quite disturbing about your installation
[22:56] <Jburrke> when i try to play a song D:
[22:56] <ldiamond> I need config.gz
[22:56] <prodigel> wine
[22:56] <menijo_> im starting to believe it too
[22:56] <zeeeee> frank23, i can't find any changelog
[22:56] <Fishscene> This is truly madening. Ubuntu refuses to talk to any of my Windows machines. Is there further configuration needed? or should Ubuntu 8 be able to browse Windows shares out-of-the-box?
[22:57] <ldiamond> Instead of /proc/config.gz
[22:57] <deadsoul> lol, i mean openjdk java runtime
[22:57] <menijo_> soilworker: if we try one time and then call it a day?
[22:57] <soilworker> from the top?
[22:57] <frank23> zeeeee: package-> Download changelog
[22:57] <makkbe> deadsoul: ok, good luck
[22:57] <Scunizi> Since I've upgraded printing to my network laser printer creates pages that have drastically enlarged text. One page will take from 2 to 4 pages.  I've changed the ppd file from the propriatory one to foomatic version with worse results. Am I unique? how do I go about diagnosing the solution?
[22:58] <soilworker> menijo_: I don't mind wasting time, the thing is you can solve your issue
[22:58] <frojnd> I'm trying to access with sftp and I get error: http://pastebin.ca/1017348
[22:58] <zeeeee> frank23, thanks
[22:58] <zeeeee> Kl4m, thanks
[22:58] <frojnd> I've tryed to add key to ~/.ssh/known_hosts but it's the same error
[22:58] <menijo_> soilworker: ok
[22:58] <frank23> zeeeee: np
[22:59] <soilworker> menijo_: let's get back
[22:59] <soilworker> menijo: sudo apt-get install libflashsupport
[22:59] <Myrtti> frojnd: try to connect to it with plain ssh
[22:59] <menijo_> soilworker: there was errors during the installation today, when i did upgrade from gutsy
[22:59] <prodigel> Hi all. Anybody good with wine? I'm trying to run a game with no success and the messages I get don't say much to me
[22:59] <soilworker> errors?
[22:59] <Myrtti> frojnd: ssh gives an error message that says which line in the known_host-file you have to *delete*
[22:59] <jrib> frojnd: verify you don't have a wrong key in there as well
[23:00] <makkbe> prodigel: what game is it?
[23:00] <prodigel> makkbe: Risk II
[23:00] <menijo_> Soilworker: it didnt manage to install éverything.
[23:00] <frojnd> Myrtti: the esame error
[23:00] <macdunbar> does anyone know an alternative to system-config-samba?
[23:00] <Simonft> how do i open the network manager in ubuntu? it crashed
[23:00] <soilworker> menijo_: could you be more specific?
[23:00] <Vlet> frojnd: perhaps you have to remove the old entry for that server
[23:00] <Fishscene> I can ping my Windows File-sharing server, I can connect to it via RDP. Windows clients can connect to the fileserver just fine. I can connect to the server by manually typing in the information for a SPECIFIC share. But I can't browse. Does anyone know how to browse?
[23:00] <leachim6> I want to run the updater manually
[23:00] <leachim6> the gui one
[23:01] <leachim6> how do I do that
[23:01] <deadsoul> 1    /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java
[23:01] <deadsoul>           2    /usr/bin/gij-4.2
[23:01] <deadsoul> *+        3    /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java
[23:01] <leachim6> what's the bin name
[23:01] <FloodBot1> leachim6: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:01] <Myrtti> frojnd: frojnd it doesnt say that the line X on the file needs to be changd?
[23:01] <leachim6> I didn't flood ...
[23:01] <Vlet> !enter | leachim6
[23:01] <leachim6> sorry ....
[23:01] <deadsoul> how can i run the 3rd one.. i mean what command should i write in the terminal to run it
[23:01] <Kl4m> just... stop...
[23:01] <jhb1608> ubottu, can you help me?
[23:01] <jhb1608> ...
[23:01] <ldiamond> Where is the running kernel in Ubuntu? where config.gz is
[23:01] <leachim6> fine , what the name name of the ubuntu gui update notifier binary
[23:01] <Simonft> leachim6:  lol
[23:01] <frojnd> Myrtti: yep apperantly I must delete keys, I've reinstall...
[23:02] <menijo_> soilworker: errors occured in the end of the upgrade. Thats all i can remember and i just klicked ok dont instal.
[23:02] <makkbe> prodigel: risk II does not seem to work according to the wine appdb
[23:02] <Simonft> how do i open the network manager in ubuntu? it crashed
[23:02] <leachim6> lol : command not found
[23:02] <macdunbar> leachim6: system - admin - update manager
[23:02] <Vlet> leachim6: sudo update-manager
[23:02] <krt> Kl4m: any other ideas what might cause this gui-screwup?
[23:02] <Kl4m> ldiamond: you probably want the kernel source for the kernel config
[23:02] <soilworker> menijo_: there's a lack of information that i need to help you
[23:02] <menijo_> yes i understand.
[23:02] <soilworker> theres a zillion ways things could be wrong
[23:02] <Kl4m> krt: absolutely no idea sorry
[23:02] <gordonjcp> has anything significant changed between gutsy and hardy with the parallel port driver/
[23:02] <jhb1608> Ok, I have to activate sit0, how do I do that?
[23:02] <krt> k, thnx anyways
[23:02] <makkbe> deadsoul: no success?
[23:03] <Joes> dz
[23:03] <Vlet> krt: yes, the teamspeak client doesn't use GTK... I'm no expert, so I can't recognize the toolkit it uses.
[23:03] <deadsoul> no its not
[23:03] <prodigel> makkbe: this means it's useless to try?
[23:03] <macdunbar> does anyone know a good samba gui config?
[23:03] <menijo_> soilworker: this problem was on gutsy too, i did not have sound on flash back then eighter.
[23:03] <gordonjcp> I can't get wine apps (specifically EPROM programmer software) to talk to the parallel port in Hardy, although it worked in Gutsy
[23:03] <makkbe> deadsoul: ok, well i've read some more about it, and afaik it has to do with the AWT_TOOLKIT variable that i mentioned eariler
[23:03] <soilworker> Oh.
[23:03] <Vlet> krt: whatever toolkit they used to program the client for linux must keep some graphical settings somewhere that for some reason are screwey on your system
[23:03] <Myrtti> frojnd: I updated my ssh, redid the keys, my ssh client said the line #3 doesnt' match in known_hosts,, I deleted it, tried to login again, success.
[23:03] <makkbe> prodigel: probably, yes
[23:03] <jescis> Hello all
[23:04] <Fishscene> Does Ubuntu NOT automatically browse Windows-domain computers?
[23:04] <ldiamond> Kl4m: Where is the kernel image?
[23:04] <NighTi^> how can i make the Gnome Terminal default to Nordic character encoding?
[23:04] <menijo_> soilworker: those erros i think were about my radeon 9800 drivers
[23:04] <Myrtti> NighTi^: luit might be one solution
[23:04] <soilworker> menijo: are you in a desktop pc?
[23:05] <Kl4m> ldiamond: /boot/vmlinuz-(whatever)
[23:05] <jaffarkelshac> can i edit the location on the app bar under places?
[23:05] <jhb1608> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4952014#post4952014 <-- I know it have lack of information.
[23:05] <menijo_> soilworker: yes
[23:05] <jhb1608> But I am trying to get the wireless work by activating sit0, but it won't work
[23:05] <makkbe> deadsoul: try this then, in a terminal AWT_TOOLKIT=MToolkit /path/to/zend
[23:05] <deadsoul> makkbe thanks a lot bro.. i really do apreciate it :)
[23:05] <jescis> will gentoo be recognized if I installed ubuntu on the first disk drive? I can't get the grub for gentoo to work with windows(was hoping ubuntu could help :/)
[23:05] <NighTi^> Myrtti: ok, i'll look into that. thanks
[23:05] <makkbe> in one line, and replace /path/to/zend with wherever your zend executable is located
[23:06] <menijo_> soilworker:and i have soundblaster live 5.1 soundcard
[23:06] <soilworker> menijo_: let's tray with alsa
[23:06] <Myrtti> NighTi^: welcome to #ubuntu-fi aswell
[23:06] <menijo_> ok lets
[23:06] <deadsoul> ok
[23:06] <soilworker> menijo_: sudo apt-get install alsa-oss
[23:06] <krt> Vlet: looking at the dependencies it just uses xlibs... or uses a hardcoded tk..
[23:06] <Fishscene> Has anyone here succesfully browsed Windows shares on a Windows Domain?
[23:06] <deadsoul> ok, i will try it now
[23:07] <Vlet> krt: yeah, I tried the same. it's obviously not gtk though
[23:07] <Kl4m> ldiamond: and ... I see I also have a config-2.6.24-16-generic file in /boot
[23:07] <Vlet> krt: it looks fine on my system though
[23:07] <menijo_> soilworker: ok done
[23:07] <soilworker> menijo_ now get to firefox file
[23:07] <negge> why does the latest set of updates require a restart?
[23:07] <soilworker> in /etc/firefox/firefoxrc
[23:07] <negge> that's not normal right
[23:07] <soilworker> search for this line : FIREFOX_DSP="none"
[23:08] <fugitivo> hello
[23:08] <menijo_> firefox file is where?
[23:08] <makkbe> negge: it's very normal
[23:08] <jhb1608> I have issues on wireless
[23:08] <Vlet> negge: it depends on what's being updated
[23:08] <negge> makkbe never happened to be before
[23:08] <jhb1608> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4952014#post4952014
[23:08] <makkbe> negge: some updates requires a restart
[23:08] <Kl4m> negge: it's an openssl update. I don't know exactly why but those need an update
[23:08] <soilworker> menijo_: in /etc/firefox/firefoxrc
[23:08] <Fishscene> Is anyone here?
[23:08] <frojnd> I've just installed rtorrent via apt. How can I check what version it is ?
[23:08] <negge> Vlat I got updates for ssh/ssl and nfs
[23:08] <negge> guess that's why
[23:08] <soilworker> menijo_: change FIREFOX_DSP="none" for FIREFOX_DSP="esd"
[23:08] <ARKANIAD> i am so disappointed!
[23:08] <fugitivo> any ideas about this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/228363
[23:08] <negge> frojnd open synaptic, search for rtorrent and see what the current version is
[23:09] <mgolisch> is it normal that make oldconfig && make prepare fails on the kernel source?
[23:09] <frojnd> negge: I am on server.. only command line
[23:09] <prodigel> makkbe: how did you see risk isn't supported? Is it a blacklist somewhere?
[23:09] <mgolisch> the nvidia installer wants me to do that
[23:09] <soilworker> jaja
[23:09] <Kl4m> frojnd: apt-cache show packagename
[23:09] <makkbe> negge: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00152.html
[23:09] <ARKANIAD> Guys! I AM SO UPSET! i got the new 8.04 and the highest resolution on cd is 800.600
[23:09] <makkbe> prodigel: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=1729&iTestingId=18464
[23:10] <soilworker> ARKANIAD: Don't be a fool.
[23:10] <ARKANIAD> what
[23:10] <soilworker> Plain answer.
[23:10] <Fishscene> This is a test. test 1 ... 2 Anyone see this text?
[23:10] <Vlet> frojnd: sudo apt-get install apt-show-versions; apt-show-versions | grep rtorrent
[23:10] <soilworker> Fishscene: no.
[23:10] <j1solutions> yes i see that text
[23:10] <Kl4m> Fishscene: indeed, over 1300 people see it
[23:10] <Fishscene> Finally. Thanks Soilworker
[23:10] <menijo_> soilworker: it wont let me to change it to esd
[23:10] <rexy_> ARKANIAD, it probably defaulted to the standard vesa driver for your video
[23:10] <Vlet> Kl4m: oh yeah, suppose that's simpler :)
[23:10] <Kohlrak> i686? What's the 6th pentium?
[23:10] <zChris> When i mount a nfs share from the server on my client, it mounts as root and libuuid, whats wrong ?
[23:11] <gronne> I need help please..I've got network issues..
[23:11] <negge> makkbe you know why I get this when trying to update again:
[23:11] <negge> The following packages have been kept back:
[23:11] <negge>   openssh-client openssh-server
[23:11] <deadsoul> makkbe THAAAAAAAAAAAANKS A LOT BROOOO it works... it does... finally
[23:11] <ARKANIAD> soilworker: Nvidia 7600 can only go to 800.600? shame.
[23:11] <Vlet> Kohlrak: wikipedia.org/wiki/i686
[23:11] <makkbe> deadsoul: glad to help :)
[23:11] <deadsoul> makkbe i really do apreciate it bro.. thanks again :D
[23:11] <fugitivo> anyone with a Hauppauge PVR 150?
[23:11] <soilworker> arkaniad: You need to install the drivers.
[23:11] <Finiras> can somebody explain to me how to get my scroll wheel on my mouse working with firefox?
[23:11] <Kl4m> negge: are you on gutsy? if so, don't upgrade
[23:11] <Fath[0]m> How do I turn off Desktop dimming, so that when I am watching a movie or something on my computer it doesnt go black?
[23:11] <polpak> ARKANIAD: did you install the nvidia drivers?
[23:11] <soilworker> ARKANIAD: punk
[23:11] <jescis> soilworker: Do you think gentoo would be recognized if I installed ubuntu on the first disk drive? I can't get the grub for gentoo to work with windows(was hoping ubuntu could help :/)
[23:12] <ARKANIAD> soilworker: the whole point was to use the live cd to see if any better than my gutsy.
[23:12] <makkbe> deadsoul: now you can add this line: export AWT_TOOLKIT=MToolkit to the bottom of your .bashrc file
[23:12] <menijo_> soilworker: so what do i have to do to change it. it says stop because i dont have enough privilidges
[23:12] <makkbe> and you won't have to do the same thing every time
[23:12] <Kl4m> Nvidia series 7 and 8 work fine on the hardy liveCD
[23:12] <ARKANIAD> hmm
[23:12] <Kl4m> My screen was 1920x1200 right from the start
[23:12] <ARKANIAD> but my monitor is screwed. 800.600 is skewed offf screen.
[23:12] <M1DLG> hello all
[23:12] <ARKANIAD> and no higher res in the monirot
[23:12] <soilworker> ARKANIAD: You can do it eitherway just installing the drivers.
[23:13] <gnuskool> how is performance on intel 855 on hardy?
[23:13] <jeriath> any preference as to what to format a drive to in linux?
[23:13] <Finiras> can somebody explain to me how to get my scroll wheel on my mouse working with firefox?
[23:13] <soilworker> ARKANIAD: Is Gutsy comfortable to you?
[23:13] <Vlet> ARKANIAD: blame NVidia and ATI's lawyers
[23:13] <M1DLG> how do I restore my taskbar thing on the bottom of my desktop?
[23:13] <gnuskool> jeriath: ext2
[23:13] <gnuskool> jeriath: ext3 is the default, but ext2 is faster
[23:13] <ABC> i am trying 2 set up a "share" folder on my network, when i try i get this error http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotfilemanagerzi0.png
[23:14] <soilworker> jeriath: There are greater tools than grub
[23:14] <Finiras> can anybody help me plz... its very irritating taht i can't use my scroll wheel
[23:14] <Kl4m> gnuskool: with minimal desktop effects it's ok (if you're talking about the video card)
[23:14] <krt> Vlet: is your  ~/teamspeak2/TeamSpeak.Conf a human readable ascii file or stores it binary values?
[23:14] <jeriath> huh soilworker?
[23:14] <Fath[0]m> How do I turn off Desktop dimming, so that when I am watching a movie or something on my computer it doesnt go black?
[23:14] <soilworker> jeriath: Mind me, just wrong tabbing.
[23:14] <menijo_> soilworker: so why cant i change that to esd
[23:14] <makkbe> negge: do a apt-cache policy openssh-client openssh-server and you will see why
[23:15] <jeriath> second question....why does it say there is 1.55 GB being used after the format?
[23:15] <gnuskool> Kl4m: i have turned off compiz and all that but its very slow, slower than when i boot xp
[23:15] <jeriath> now i cant copy my stuff over :/
[23:15] <jeriath> from one identical drive to another
[23:15] <Vlet> krt: binary junk. maybe the packaged is hosed
[23:15] <soilworker> menijo_: what's the error that shows up?
[23:15] <Finiras> can somebody explain to me how to get my scroll wheel on my mouse working with firefox?
[23:15] <jeriath> its extremely full :P
[23:15] <pretender> Has anyone got koverartist running in ubuntu gutsy.  I cant select case why?
[23:16] <soilworker> menijo_: Is firefox closed right?
[23:16] <menijo_> soilworker: its in finnish
[23:16] <soilworker> what?
[23:16] <Vlet> krt: perhaps you could uninstall the ubuntu package for it, and try downloading whatever the teamspeak folks offer on their site
[23:16] <negge> makkbe okay
[23:16] <kiru> hello
[23:16] <menijo_> my ubuntu is in finnish
[23:16] <kiru> i just upgraded to ubuntu 8.04
[23:16] <krt> Vlet: yap, will try that. thx
[23:16] <soilworker> menijo_: Do you speak soumi?
[23:16] <menijo_> soilworker: jes
[23:17] <menijo_> dont say your finnish
[23:17] <Fishscene> Would anyone know why I am unable to browse Windows domain computers?
[23:17] <soilworker> Im not.
[23:17] <jeriath> anyone know why ext3 uses 1.55 gigs of my free space?
[23:17] <soilworker> Im just well educated.
[23:17] <soilworker> So, past me the error
[23:17] <menijo_> he
[23:17] <kiru> everything is jerking while trying the 3d desktop effects
[23:17] <menijo_> :D
[23:17] <negge> makkbe can you take a look at it if I paste it to pastebin?
[23:17] <kiru> i have an ati-card
[23:17] <ABC> i am trying 2 set up a "share" folder on my network, when i try i get this error http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotfilemanagerzi0.png how do i give my self permission
[23:17] <kiru> maybe this is the problem...?
[23:17] <makkbe> negge: sure
[23:17] <negge> makkbe http://pastebin.com/d6ff91fb8
[23:18] <kiru> after selecting 3d desktop effects, it downloaded the fglrx ati drivers
[23:18] <menijo_> soilworker: so what can i do when firefox wont allowe me to change this to esd
[23:18] <gronne> could someone please help me with my network issues?
[23:18] <kiru> i restarted but nothing is working
[23:18] <janey> hi
[23:18] <kiru> could anyone help me pls?
[23:18] <soilworker> menijo_ i cant understand why cant you change it
[23:18] <Simonft> !enter | kiru
[23:19] <cameron> Somehow I "deleted" my desktop folder. It sits in my trash can. If I open the folder, its another folder called Desktop, I open that, another folder called desktop. It does this, from what I see, 506 times. Nothing in any of these folders other than another folder.  Can I sudo empty the trash or something?
[23:19] <makkbe> negge: basically, it has to do with the priorities of the packages
[23:19] <kiru> Simonft: thx for advertisement
[23:19] <negge> okay
[23:19] <menijo_> soilworker: it shows me international forbidden sing. red sing that has white stripe
[23:19] <makkbe> negge: what you can do is install both packages manually
[23:19] <Vlet> jeriath: google for "Reserved block count" to find out why
[23:19] <makkbe> negge: with sudo apt-get install openssh-client openssh-server
[23:19] <menijo_> and says that i cannot make the change becouse i dont have rights to do so
[23:19] <negge> makkbe I'll try that
[23:19] <kiru> nice help... really...
[23:20] <kiru> pointing on some behavioural stuff
[23:20] <negge> I'll see if the GUI updater works (I always update from terminal), if it doesn't I'll do what you said
[23:20] <Vlet> kiru: do you have a question?
[23:20] <con-man> finally
[23:20] <kiru> Vlet: yes
[23:20] <con-man> Patch 2.4.2 came out
[23:20] <menijo_> soilworker: wait i said it wrong
[23:21] <con-man> I wont have to listen to that messed up power word shield sound again
[23:21] <menijo_> it wont allowe me to save the altered file
[23:21] <soilworker> oh
[23:21] <Vlet> kiru: ahh, I see. what type of video card do you have?
[23:21] <frojnd> I'm trying to run rotrrent and I get: rtorrent: Could not lock session directory: "/muska/mp3s/wildchild/", held by "umbrella:+22462".
[23:21] <kiru> vlet: ati radeon
[23:21] <menijo_> soilworker: so it wont let me save the file with esd
[23:21] <negge> makkbe it worked when I used the GUI:)
[23:22] <makkbe> negge: ok, goodie
[23:22] <jeriath> Vlet: what about reiserfs, only uses a few hundred MB
[23:22] <Vlet> kiru: more specifically, what version?
[23:22] <kiru> ati radeon 9800 pro
[23:22] <deadsoul> makkbe: is there anyway to let the ubuntu launch some programs automaticlly when i start the ubuntu... like the startup in windows?
[23:22] <makkbe> deadsoul: yes, under preferences --> sessions
[23:22] <soilworker> minejo_ you have all your music and video software off, right?
[23:22] <techwhosaysnee> Does anyone know why flash games are so laggy in firefox? I can access them fine from Windows. This is happening on both the firefox-2 and firefox-3 installs, and I'm using Adobe's flash plugin.
[23:23] <Vlet> jeriath: well, ext3 uses 5% by default; if it's your system partition then leave it alone. if it's just a data drive, then you can use tunefs to make it smaller
[23:23] <deadsoul> for example each time i start the ubuntu i have to type in terminal /opt/lampp/lampp start is there anyway to let ubuntu start it by default once i start ubuntu
[23:23] <menijo_> soilworker: yes i think so. i havent turned anything on to preserve the soun channel
[23:23] <jeriath> its a data drive
[23:23] <deadsoul> ok thank you
[23:23] <Starnestommy> deadsoul: maybe cron or an init script
[23:24] <soilworker> try changing the same file in /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc
[23:24] <kiru> Vlet: ati radeon 9800 pro
[23:24] <Vlet> jeriath: yeah, I've adjusted mine to be 0% on my data drives
[23:24] <ABC> i am having troubler with "share" folders can ne one help
[23:24] <jeriath> Vlet: what is tunefs?   it is a data drive, but that format isnt listed on gparted
[23:24] <deadsoul> ok thank you bro :)
[23:24] <jarleih> deadsoul: system - cofiguration - sessions
[23:24] <jeriath> how?
[23:24] <Vlet> jeriath: google my friend :)
[23:24] <M1DLG> how do I restore my taskbar thing on the bottom of my desktop? does anyone know how i fudged it?
[23:25] <Vlet> jeriath: http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&safe=off&q=%22Reserved+block+count%22+tunefs+ubuntu&btnG=Search
[23:25] <Fade2Blac> hey do anyone know of a tftp server that will run in ubuntu
[23:25] <echazan> does the ubuntu update manager 'just work'?
[23:25] <makkbe> echazan: yes
[23:25] <makkbe> Fade2Blac: gftpd
[23:25] <Choicefresh> how do i use the gparted cd again?
[23:25] <derspankster> M1DLG, do you have a panel at top?
[23:26] <M1DLG> yes
[23:26] <jescis> can no one help me out? :(
[23:26] <Bakefy> Anyone feel like helping out a nice guy with installing a scanner?
[23:26] <Choicefresh> oh yeah, lemme check the forum
[23:26] <Choicefresh> once sec
[23:26] <menijo_> /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc doesent exist
[23:26] <Finiras> can somebody explain to me how to get my scroll wheel on my mouse working with firefox?
[23:26] <echazan> Choice, the gparted disk is bootable.
[23:26] <Fade2Blac> is that ftp server or a tftp server makkbe its 2 different protocalls
[23:26] <derspankster> M1DLG, then left click on that panel and click add panel
[23:26] <soilworker> menijo, lets try with nano
[23:26] <soilworker> sudo nano /etc/firefox/firefoxrc
[23:26] <menijo_> soilworker: ok. i have no idea what that is
[23:26] <Choicefresh> yay sudp
[23:26] <Choicefresh> *sudo
[23:27] <derspankster> M1DLG, sorry, I meant RIGHT click
[23:27] <makkbe> Fade2Blac: ftp, sorry
[23:27] <derspankster> M1DLG, then add new panel
[23:27] <menijo_> ok im there
[23:27] <Fade2Blac> ok
[23:27] <Vlet> Finiras: what version of ubunt?
[23:27] <menijo_> soilworker: what to do
[23:27] <M1DLG> ok done, it's not the same as the original panel
[23:27] <soilworker> check if you can change
[23:28] <M1DLG> just blank
[23:28] <makkbe> Fade2Blac: have you tried apt-cache search tftp?
[23:28] <soilworker> FIREFOX_DSP="none" to FIREFOX_DSP="esd"
[23:28] <derspankster> M1DLG, you'll need to add what you want to the new bottom panel
[23:28] <menijo_> esd it was?
[23:28] <soilworker> yes
[23:28] <mike> Anyone know why flash games are so slow in Firefox? I'm using Ubuntu 8.04, and it happens with both firefox-2 and firefox-3
[23:28] <Jburrk1> can anyone tell me how to access my internal hdd?
[23:28] <M1DLG> ok
[23:28] <M1DLG> ta
[23:28] <soilworker> te
[23:29] <Caram> Hello :D
[23:29] <soilworker> Jburrk1: Screwdriver and quite a big ammount of curiosity
[23:29] <M1DLG> i'll ave to add the minimise all to desktop button and the trash and the windows/desktops button
[23:29] <M1DLG> thanks
[23:29] <Jburrk1> soilworker: what?
[23:29] <Vlet> mike: you likely don't have the right video card driver installed
[23:29] <kitche> Jburrk1: do you mean mount the hdd or something else?
[23:29] <soilworker> Jburrke: Im a funny person
[23:29] <Vlet> !resolution | mike
[23:29] <Jburrke> soilworker: lol
[23:29] <soilworker> Jburrke: if you ask the right question, i might even could help you
[23:30] <derspankster> M1DLG, you're welcome
[23:30] <mike> Is it a windows drive you're trying to access, JB?
[23:30] <soilworker> lol
[23:30] <Jburrke> soilworker: lol.. well my internal has windows installed
[23:30] <soilworker> So..
[23:31] <Jburrke> external has ubuntu
[23:31] <Jburrke> how can i access my internal from ubuntu
[23:31] <Jburrke> ^^
[23:31] <Caram> When I ran qtparted I got "Error: File system was not cleanly unmounted!  You should run e2fsck.  Modifying an unclean file system could cause severe corruption.
[23:31] <Caram> Error: The file system is bigger than its volume!
[23:31] <Caram> "
[23:31] <menijo_> soilworker: is it saved to file if i just shut the terminal
[23:31] <Caram> should I be worried?
[23:31] <M1DLG> FIXED thank you m8
[23:31] <Caram> >_>
[23:31] <FloodBot1> Caram: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:31] <Vlet> Jburrke: look in your 'places' menu - you should see it in there.
[23:31] <Invisionfree> jussi01?
[23:31] <soilworker> menijo_ check it
[23:31] <menijo_> ho in earth
[23:31] <soilworker> Jburrke: by access you mean modify, view, play
[23:31] <menijo_> ou you mean browser
[23:32] <Jburrke> Vlet: it's not.. last night i was able to access it with some help with people by doing a few strings of terminal commands
[23:32] <soilworker> check if changes
[23:32] <soilworker> were made
[23:32] <Caram> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11943/
[23:32] <frojnd> Anyone has an idea why I can't run as a normal user rotrrent? I get following error: rtorrent: Could not lock session directory: "/muska/mp3s/wildchild/", held by "umbrella:+22462". Ive seaerch for any rtorrent if there would be any other instalnce with ps aux | grep rtorrent but there was nothing
[23:32] <Caram> can I get help on this?
[23:32] <Jburrke> it had something to do with mounting a drive, or something
[23:32] <kitche> Jburrke: well if it's not automounted it usually is already you need to mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/<place of hard drive{sd1, hda1} /media/windows
[23:32] <Vlet> Jburrke: you should have written it down then
[23:32] <Jburrke> i did ><
[23:33] <soilworker> jaja
[23:33] <Jburrke> sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/jburrke
[23:33] <Jburrke> that's the string i was told to copy
[23:33] <kitche> Jburrke: I haven't checked which way ubuntu calls the drives that's why I did sda1 or hda1
[23:33] <menijo_> Soilworker: changes were made, but not saved at least i think. it wont let me leave from the file without ignoring the chnage
[23:33] <Caram> >_<
[23:33] <kitche> Jburrke: and then cd to /mnt/jburrke and it should be mounted :)
[23:33] <Jburrke> well
[23:33] <soilworker> menijo_ just reopen it
[23:33] <Caram> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11943/ <--- Do I have a problem?
[23:33] <Jburrke> when i type that string that i just posted i get "fuse: failed to access mountpoint /mnt/jburrke: no such file or directory"
[23:34] <menijo_> no it did not change it
[23:34] <kitche> Jburrke: is the directory made?
[23:34] <soilworker> menijo_: so try again
[23:34] <Jburrke> kitche: i'm not sure ><
[23:34] <Jburrke> kitche: how can i check?
[23:34]  * Caram pounds his head into the wall
[23:34] <kitche> Jburrke: ls -l /mnt/jburrke
[23:34] <makkbe> Caram: easy...
[23:34] <Jburrke> kitche: no it's not
[23:34] <makkbe> i am thinking
[23:34] <zChris> When i mount a nfs share from the server on my client, it mounts as root and libuuid, whats wrong ?
[23:35] <soilworker> you.
[23:35] <kitche> Jburrke: well you need to make it first with sudo /mnt/jburrke
[23:35] <menijo_> soilworker: i have a problem, i would need to kinda save this change in terminal, but how. It advises to type^x to quit
[23:35] <Caram> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11943/ What does it mean by "The file system is larger than it's volume"?
[23:35] <menijo_> but nothing happens
[23:35] <Jburrke> kitche: can you tell me the whole command?
[23:35] <zChris> soilworker: helpfull...
[23:36] <Simonf1> can someone help me with my broadcom?
[23:36] <soilworker> zChris: laughing is great for trouble.
[23:36] <menijo_> soilworker: I need key kombo for the noob, please :)
[23:36] <soilworker> menijo_ so you cant modify it with nano?
[23:36] <Caram> Argh.
[23:36] <menijo_> yes I can
[23:36] <Jburrke> is it sudo mount /mnt/jburrke?
[23:36] <soilworker> so?
[23:36] <zChris> soilworker: if you dont know, dont reply, easy as that :)
[23:36] <menijo_> dont know how to save it
[23:36] <soilworker> zChris: I knew.
[23:36] <vincenzo> Can I ask here about SSL-bug?
[23:36] <soilworker> zChris: I just hate people with 0 humour.
[23:37] <soilworker> Good luck with your issue.
[23:37] <rcarcamo> lol
[23:37] <kitche> Jburrke: sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/jburrke
[23:37] <zChris> soilworker: I also hate ppl with 0 humour
[23:37] <Simonf1> I need help with a broadcom
[23:37] <vincenzo> How do I fix aothorized_keys?
[23:37] <con-man> I need to run a .net executable in wine any suggestions?
[23:37] <soilworker> menijo_: so..
[23:37] <Jburrke> kitche: mount: can't find /dev/sda2/mnt/jburrke in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[23:37] <Simonf1> !wine | con-man
[23:37] <menijo_> soilworker: so should i type ^x and enter to exit and savve? or what?
[23:38] <cheeseboy> can anyone help me with wubi?
[23:38] <soilworker> yes
[23:38] <Simonf1> cheeseboy: ask a question
[23:38] <makkbe> con-man: that is not possible i am afraid
[23:38] <soilworker> that's pure magic
[23:38] <con-man> Simonf1: Im using wine, its not working
[23:38] <Caram> I got http://paste.ubuntu.com/11943/ when I ran QTparted. What's wrong?
[23:38] <darkone1687> I was having problems with my sound quality so I uninstalled alsamixer and reinstalled it and now it says I don't have a sound card installed
[23:38] <makkbe> con-man: the .net framework is not a part of wine
[23:38] <menijo_> or is it done when its done like in unix?
[23:38] <con-man> makkbe: QQ
[23:38] <zChris> When i mount a nfs share from the server on my client, it mounts as root and libuuid, whats wrong ?
[23:38] <soilworker> menijo_ it's done
[23:39] <Caram> I got http://paste.ubuntu.com/11943/ when I ran QTparted. Any ideas on what's going on?
[23:39] <menijo_> soilworker: ok
[23:39] <makkbe> Caram: what were you trying to do with qtparted?
[23:39] <fiyawerx> Anyone else having problems with firefox just randomly crashing when using gmail?
[23:39] <makkbe> Caram: if you try with gparted instead, what happens?
[23:39] <soilworker> fiyawerx: Nothing is random
[23:39] <crf> fiyawerx yeah, using various websites
[23:39] <Choicefresh> makno
[23:39] <Caram> I just opened it
[23:39] <phixxor> hey guys, I need to do a backup of my mac, and I have enough space on my ubuntu computer to do so. can I just drag and drop the contents of / to a folder on my ubuntu computer?
[23:39] <Choicefresh> makkbe: no
[23:39] <fiyawerx> soilworker, it just seemed to start happening for me today
[23:40] <crf> just disable some of the plugins fiyawerx
[23:40] <Caram> with GParted it wont let me resize my ntfs partition
[23:40] <friel> Got a Dual Montior Issue, Main monitor is no longer working on an extended desktop. anyone got any experience with this?
[23:40] <menijo_> soilworker: it made an file named firefoxrc.save
[23:40] <Slart> phixxor: you should ask some macintosh people that question
[23:40] <Caram> It also shows my ntfs partition as "active"
[23:40] <soilworker> menijo_ delete, rename
[23:40] <kitche> Jburrke: space between /dev/sda2 and /mnt/jburrke
[23:40] <Slart> phixxor: I don't think it would work on a linux system though.. copying the /proc structure might not be in your best interest
[23:40] <makkbe> Choicefresh: no to what? :)
[23:40] <soilworker> fiyawerx: It's JUST in Gmail site?
[23:40] <phixxor> slart: ok. I was wondering if any ubuntu people would have any insights,
[23:40] <Choicefresh> no, i don't have problems with gmail in firefox
[23:40] <fiyawerx> soilworker, that i've noticed, it crashes when i click sign out
[23:41] <Choicefresh> not since a while ago
[23:41] <Choicefresh> try leaving a bug at bugzilla.mozilla.org, but try ff3b5 first
[23:41] <makkbe> Caram: unmount it
[23:41] <Jburrke> kitche: fuse: failed to access mountpoint /mnt/jburrke: No such file or directory
[23:41] <fiyawerx> nod using ff3b5, will try to narrow it down more
[23:41] <menijo_> soilworker: hah no permission to delete the file
[23:41] <DShepherd> fiyawerx, maybe its some addon you have installed?
[23:41] <makkbe> Choicefresh: i think it was fiyawerx who asked that question, not me :)
[23:41] <cheeseboy> anyone help with wubi?
[23:42] <menijo_> im starting konsidder fully re-install.
[23:42] <UneSourisVerte> Hello
[23:42] <Caram> makkbe, it's still showing it as "active"
[23:42] <kitche> Jburrke: did you sudo mkdir /mnt/jburrke like I said?
[23:42] <Caram> while my ext3 isn't shown as active.
[23:42] <Choicefresh> makkbe: oh
[23:42] <nassty> hello there, anybody checked out the Eusso usb wireless adapters ?
[23:42] <makkbe> Caram: weird
[23:42] <crf> Is there an archive program that shows permissions of files within an archive?
[23:42] <soilworker> fiyawerx: What happens if you click on another button
[23:42] <soilworker> menijo_: I'll advise that
[23:42] <nassty> !essuo
[23:42] <nassty> !eusso
[23:42] <Caram> There's an option to make unactive
[23:42] <soilworker> fiyawerx: let's say in Compose
[23:43] <Jburrke> kitche: sorry, forgot.. okay, it returned a blank entry box thing
[23:43] <Jburrke> now i put that string i pasted earlier, right?
[23:43] <Caram> I just dont want to screw up windows.
[23:43] <Slart> phixxor: I don't know how much the macintosh people have changed the basic linux system... but as I said.. I don't think a plain old, drag and drop copy would work.. you've got permissions to worry about.. and stuff you might not want to copy
[23:43] <Caram> Apart from how it comes screwed up out of the box
[23:43] <Caram> :P
[23:43] <newair> Do proprietary DVD drives normally get rejected from Ubuntu?  Like one from an old HP computer? VLC rejects my DVD movies and also MoviePlayer Totem rejects my stuff.
[23:43] <menijo_> soilworker: allthough same problem would be there, because it was there when i did my first ubuntu install
[23:43] <makkbe> Caram: can you still boot into windows?
[23:43] <Caram> yeah
[23:43] <makkbe> if so, try doing a chkdisk in windows
[23:43] <soilworker> menijo_: there's one more thing to try
[23:43] <Slart> newair: installed the libdvdcss thingy?
[23:43] <Caram> okay
[23:43] <soilworker> today, tomorrow i'll dream like 25 more
[23:44] <Caram> Ill be back in an hour :P
[23:44] <phixxor> slart: yeah, I was wondering if I could use rsync
[23:44] <RickX> my windows seem to have lost the top bar with the window controls in them. Can anyone tell me how to get them back?
[23:44] <menijo_> soilworker: one more? what could there be
[23:44] <kitche> Jburrke: yes
[23:44] <makkbe> RickX: are you using compiz?
[23:44] <UneSourisVerte> See you later !
[23:44] <soilworker> menijo_: sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla arts
[23:44] <Caram> ...
[23:44] <Jburrke> kitche: awesome.. thanks, a lot
[23:44] <RickX> makkbe, I don't think I am.
[23:45] <RickX> I should have 4 vitrtual desktops, too, and I don't.
[23:45] <soilworker> rickX, you'll need like 3 pairs of extra eys
[23:45] <Slart> phixxor: that's just an alternative to the copying problem... you'll still have to select what you want to copy
[23:45] <makkbe> RickX: when the windows decoration dissapears it is usually due to compiz
[23:46] <makkbe> the desktop effects that is
[23:46] <menijo_> soilworker: it wont find it
[23:46] <RickX> makkbe, how do I turn it off?
[23:46] <newair> The libdvdcss was attempted with apt get.  I got a message that it was a dependent program. Not able to get or install.
[23:46] <D3RGPS31> how do i refresh iptables so the ports i opened are opened?
[23:46] <makkbe> RickX: preferences --> appearence --> desktop effects
[23:46] <makkbe> or something
[23:46] <friel> Sorry to ask again, But i'm having an issue with dual monitor support, My main monitor refuses to work, Ati Cataylst center is reporting both as DVI connectors, Should it be reporting one as VGA ?
[23:47] <Slart> D3RGPS31: iptables doesn't need refreshing.. if you changed something it's changed when the command returns
[23:47] <soilworker> menijo_ http://developer.songbirdnest.com/nightly/builds/linux/i686/Songbird_0.6pre_20080501_linux-i686.tar.gz
[23:47] <RickX> rats, I think I just turned them on.
[23:47] <D3RGPS31> Slart: the changes i've made haven't been put into effect, the commands were valid and showed up on status as working
[23:48] <D3RGPS31> Slart: but they don't work when i have a client test them
[23:48] <menijo_> ok how to isntall that?
[23:48] <setner> hi everyone
[23:48] <Slart> D3RGPS31: are you working directly on the iptables then? not using some other firewall software?
[23:48] <RickX> makkbe, there is no button to turn them off, just enable.
[23:48] <soilworker> it's a tar.gz
[23:48] <D3RGPS31> Slart: yes, just iptables
[23:48] <zChris> When i mount a nfs share from the server on my client, it mounts as root and libuuid, whats wrong ?
[23:48] <makkbe> RickX: there should be a "no effects" button or the like
[23:48] <menijo_> yes. it seems to open in a window
[23:48] <brentc4m> can someone explain why an apt-get upgrade would hold back openssh-server and openssh-client? trying to clean up after the vuln
[23:48] <phixxor> does anyone know if gparted works on intel macs?
[23:48] <phixxor> the gparted cd
[23:49] <chetnick> anybody plays CS on ubuntu (wine)? How can i set resolution? It cant do it trough options-video in CS. ?
[23:49] <Slart> D3RGPS31: what kind of commands have you tried?
[23:49] <kitche> zChris: well it will mount as root not sure what the group is though
[23:49] <RickX> when I try to goto system-preferences-windows, I get an error window manager unknow.
[23:49] <soilworker> menijo_ it's already downloaded?
[23:49] <zChris> kitche: for me it mounts as libuuid, and for a friend of mine it mounts as his user
[23:49] <menijo_> soilworker: yes
[23:49] <Slart> chetnick: have you checked the application database? might be some hints there
[23:50] <RickX> how can I kill whatever manager is running, and restart metacity?
[23:50] <makkbe> RickX: hum...
[23:50] <D3RGPS31> Slart: http://pastebin.com/d61c0b8bc
[23:50] <menijo_> and it opens library and lots of different files
[23:50] <chetnick> Slart: i am looking at it right now ... :)
[23:50] <andresj> hello. my sound is not working. not flash, not kde4 nor aplay produce anything in my speakers. I don't know what could've caused it, but it was working fine yesterday...
[23:50] <soilworker> menijo_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Songbird
[23:51] <makkbe> RickX: metacity --replace
[23:51] <Slart> D3RGPS31: looks correct.. but I haven't messed with iptables for a long time.. you're running this on a computer directly connect to the internet?
[23:51] <Eighth> Hi i was just wondering if im using a usb mouse and keyboard i dont need the psmouse module right? :)
[23:51] <RickX> makkbe, metacity is back...
[23:51] <D3RGPS31> Slart: no, through a router with firewall disabled
[23:52] <RickX> will it stay as the default?
[23:52] <makkbe> andresj: try sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[23:52] <andresj> makkbe: I already tried it :(
[23:52] <Slart> D3RGPS31: setting up port forwarding for something? are you sure the ports are forwarded properly?
[23:52] <makkbe> RickX: try restarting your X server with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace and you will find out
[23:52] <menijo_> soilworker: ok now its installed, should i try if sites work or is there more?
[23:52] <D3RGPS31> Slart: port forwarding isn't needed in the router, the firewall is disabled
[23:52] <soilworker> just go!
[23:53] <andresj> makkbe: and I jsut did it again, too. but aplay still does not work
[23:53] <soilworker> jaja
[23:53] <compy> could someone point me in the right direction to do this:  Have my ubuntu box have all my music and then over the network beable to connect to it and stream/play the music from my ubuntu box?  Should i use xbmc or mythtv or what?
[23:53] <menijo_> hooray for the sausage party. no sound what so ever :( saddly
[23:54] <soilworker> well.
[23:54] <soilworker> This has a good finale at least.
[23:54] <soilworker> Your issues are with alsa
[23:54] <newair> Slart: so DVD players normally work with Ubuntu?
[23:54] <Slart> D3RGPS31: well.. as I said.. afaik iptables works instantly.. no need to "activate" the rules or "refresh" anything..
[23:54] <FooAtari> what are you streaming to compy?  kind of lost me a bit
[23:54] <RickX> makkbe, no, metacity didn't stay.
[23:55] <soilworker> menijo_ backup your info, and format your hd
[23:55] <Slart> D3RGPS31: but iptables are messy to work with.. hundreds of ways of making a mistake =)
[23:55] <Finiras> how do i see whether i have the x86 or x64 version of ubuntu installed?
[23:55] <makario> newair: http://lifehacker.com/350015/enable-dvd-playback-in-ubuntu-in-two-commands But only if it's legal in your country.
[23:55] <soilworker> i wouldn advise installing hardy heron
[23:55] <Slart> Finiras: lsb_release -a
[23:55] <Starnestommy> Finiras: uname -m
[23:55] <menijo_> soilworker: thats it, thank you wery wery much for you patience and help. At least I learned alot about ubuntu. I will re isntall. Thank you for all the help. cheers
[23:55] <crackerjackz> im using gentoo any idea why emerge vDNu dbus | wgetpaste is pasting the wrong thing
[23:55] <soilworker> I see you more comfortable with gutsy
[23:55] <crackerjackz> i asked in #gentoo but they seem to be ignoring me
[23:55] <Slart> newair: well.. it's always worked for me.. I'm not sure I've tried using a .. ahem.. regular.. commercial dvd
[23:55] <menijo_> It was a long day :D
[23:55] <Starnestommy> crackerjackz: this channel is for ubuntu support, not gentoo
[23:56] <jeriath> so i set the reserved block count to 0 and i still have 1.55 GB being used on my ext2 drives :/
[23:56] <makario> My hard drive is currently partitioned so that I can not add an extra partition for swap. Is swap still recommended?
[23:56] <soilworker> jaja, it was
[23:56] <andresj> aaahhhh! it was on mute! sorry ;)
[23:56] <Finiras> ah.. so x86_64 means that I have the 64 bit version of ubuntu?
[23:56] <crackerjackz> i understand that Starnestommy but my distros channel is not helping me
[23:56] <Slart> Finiras: yes
[23:56] <soilworker> what time is in Suomi?
[23:56] <Finiras> ty
[23:56] <crackerjackz> if some one here has the answer it would be greatly appreciated
[23:56] <compy> anyone ^^
[23:56] <joe_> ola
[23:56] <FooAtari> yeah makario
[23:56] <menijo_> its 2.30 am
[23:56] <makkbe> andresj: lol
[23:56] <FooAtari> compy, what are you streaming to?
[23:56] <makario> FooAtari: Okay. I'm guessing swap files are the way to go?
[23:57] <soilworker> menijo_ go sleep and dream about alsa
[23:57] <menijo_> night and im going to work at the morning :D
[23:57] <soilworker> here's just 08
[23:57] <compy> FooAtari: so have my music on my ubuntu box and steam it to my mac
[23:57] <FooAtari> It's not the best idea to go without one. you might be ok if you have a lot of ram...
[23:57] <menijo_> yes I will do that. thanks again and bye :D
[23:57] <linkmaster03> I cannot use "java" as a command in my terminal, even though I have JRE installed... Java applets in Firefox work fine, what's wrong?
[23:57] <compy> over network
[23:57] <RickX> makario, OK... metacity --replace restarted metacity, and my previous settings. Saving the sessions made things permanent.
[23:57] <Nith> makario: swap files  are always recomended unless you've got a massive amount of ram
[23:58] <Nith> linkmaster03: prolly your path, check if the binarys are in your path
[23:58] <newair> Slart: Thank you.  I guess I will just live with it for now. Got to go
[23:58] <dopievoli> I've installed some metacity themes yet it does not show, is there a fix?
[23:58] <menijo_> its so hard to part after this long stucle :D ok il go il go :D
[23:58] <crackerjackz> can some one here help me with wgetpaste
[23:58] <Slart> newair: bye
[23:59] <soilworker> harder.better.faster.stronger
[23:59] <FooAtari> hmmm.  I just setup a share when I was accessing music from my windows PC.  Other than that I use mediatomb to stream to my PS3
[23:59] <RickX> is there any utility that applies gtk themes to KDE apps in Gnome?
[23:59] <Lancej> Anyone know why fdisk -l would list /dev/sda1 as a partition but it wouldn't actually show up in ls /dev and couldn't be mounted? (/dev/sda should have a NTFS partition on it)
[23:59] <ArthurArchnix> Well, I've just reinstalled and it hasn't fixed my problem of random lockups/freezes/x-restarts. I'm on all intel hardware that's been really well supported since feisty. Anyone come across something similar?
[23:59] <vlt> Hello. There are various ways to install Ubuntu. I'm ssh connected to a netbooted Debian with an empty hard disk and the install dvd iso mounted. Any chance to run the installer from the dvd (w/o sitting in front of the machine)?
[23:59] <lusepuster> Goodmorning! Since a few days ago, I get the error message at login that it fails to initialize HAL. Sucks, because it means that my power management on my lappy doesn't work. Tried googling but can't seem to find anything newer than Dapper. Does anyone know what might be up?


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