[12:02] <kensai> How do I prevent riva module from loading in the kernel. When I was installing Nvidia driver it said this could be a problem
[12:03] (mjr/#ubuntu) add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[12:05] <kensai> ?
[12:06] <will> gnite ppl
[12:07] <ramzez> how can delete directory which have files?
[12:07] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) rm -r
[12:08] <ramzez> thanks HrdwBob, i thout -d
[12:08] <Chibi> http://studiochibico.com/xfce/Xfce-dusk.tar.gz <- Quick dark theme I did using the XFCE engine, if anyone wants it D:
[12:08] <Ty_Leeds> How do I install the kernel sources for WartyWarthog (I woulda used the forums, but they seem down)
[12:08] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) ramzez: that will delete a directory iirc, but not if it has files
[12:08] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) -r is recurse
[12:09] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) Ty_Leeds: linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[12:10] <Ty_Leeds> Ahh. Thanks
[12:10] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) no problem
[12:11] <Ty_Leeds> I think i'm a convert to ubuntu... I'm actually liking it more than suse and fedora..
[12:11] <Ty_Leeds> *course, I've always been a gnome whore*
[12:11] <gen> good, you should ty_leeds
[12:11] <gen> :)
[12:11] <ramzez> looks like it will take sometime to learn linux after windows, i just hope all my hardware will work :-)
[12:11] <Ty_Leeds> I'm in love with synaptic... that's the nicest piece of software I've ever seen for linux
[12:12] <mass> is there an update agent for apt?
[12:12] <s0cks> I'm in love with the custom built kernel that I am leaving when I reformat to install ubuntu
[12:12] <mass> s0cks: I'm in love with the custom built kernel I just created so I can run ubuntu ;-)
[12:13] <gen> haha
[12:13] <cardador> has anyone tried xfishtank in ubuntu? its an aquarium for the desktop. It does not work!
[12:13] <s0cks> I am going to use the stock kernel for a bit until I get used to it,
[12:13] <Ty_Leeds> >socks .. Heh. me too.. I had just gotten my fedora system where I liked it..
[12:13] <ramzez> is there a simple way to update firefox thru apt?
[12:13] <Chibi> Yes.
[12:13] <s0cks> Ty_Leeds : My server runs Fedora
[12:13] <Chibi> apt-get update :P
[12:14] <Ty_Leeds> >ramzez, I don't think there's a 1.0final package on the main apt lists yet.
[12:14] <gen> there is in hoary
[12:14] <Ty_Leeds> ha
[12:14] <Ty_Leeds> ...err..ah
[12:14] <Chibi> Switch to hoary, upgrade single package, switch back.
[12:14] <mass> you can also do creative things with /etc/apt/preferences
[12:15] <Ty_Leeds> >socks Fedora is really nice (Especially core3) but I find it a bit bloaty
[12:15] <mroth> whats the general consensus on using a SMP kernel-image on a single HT processor?
[12:15] <Chibi> And while you're there, stab the gtk2 package maintainer for switching the gtk version to 2.5
[12:15] <s0cks> Ty_Leeds : We will see, but I am probably leaving it Fedora 2, because I can't take it down for an extended time.
[12:16] (mjr/#ubuntu) mroth, I'd use it; may help a bit, don't expect too much though
[12:16] <mroth> yeah, i was just making sure there wasnt some weird incompatibility I wasnt aware off
[12:17] <mroth> i havent kept up with kernel 2.6 issues as much as I should
[12:17] <ramzez> ok, i will try do i need simply to change the word warty hoary?
[12:17] (mjr/#ubuntu) nah, works fine
[12:17] <JStrike> ramzez : Computer -> System Configuration -> Synaptic Package Manager. Search for FireFox and upgrade or choose upgrade all
[12:18] <JStrike> ramzez : Dont run Hoary unless you are very familiar with Linux and things breaking
[12:18] <cardador> JStrike: upgraded it now, and synaptic disappeared from the menu :)
[12:18] <mass> my reboot process is getting slower and slower as I add more reiser-formatted raids to load on start :)
[12:18] <ramzez> today is my first time, i guess better to stay as it is, now i am updating it thru synoptic
[12:19] <ramzez> but i don't think firefox had version 1.0
[12:19] <JStrike> cardador : Upgraded to Hoary?
[12:20] <JStrike> mass : That is what happens to people who have way to much hardware
[12:20] <cardador> JStrike: i have hoary from the start, but after todays update synaptic vanished of the menu
[12:20] <JStrike> Tut, tut
[12:20] <ogra> yay
[12:20] <JStrike> That is what happens
[12:20] <JStrike> Learnt that the hard way many times before
[12:21] <JStrike> hey jdub
[12:21] <jdub> yo
[12:22] <JStrike> jdub : Heard you were looking at getting rcd, red-carpet ported. How is that coming along  (I was looking into it the other day myself)
[12:22] <Matt|> anyone use gdesklets rss grab?
[12:23] <jdub> JStrike: haven't bothered playing with those for ages.
[12:23] <xenonite> Gmail: where are you standing up right now? i go sleeping right now
[12:23] <Gman> i hate backup
[12:24] <cardador> JStrike: synaptic didnt disappear... its now on application > system tools
[12:24] <Matt|> JStrike, bug has been filed for synaptic
[12:25] <JStrike> Matt| : For the installing a local file?
[12:25] <Matt|> nope
[12:25] <Matt|> for the gnome menu
[12:26] <JStrike> Somebody needs to file a bug for getting a new interface
[12:26] <mass> JStrike: I'm just buying it all up front. It won't seem like too much hardware in 2009
[12:26] <Matt|> JStrike, sorry just saw cardador's response  - I missed most of your conversation :/
[12:26] <jazzka> any visual application like gtk-diff in ubuntu?
[12:27] <JStrike> Synaptic blows. Red-Carpet is somewhat better, but is still lacking. Click 'n Run seems the best (Although I haven't used it yet)
[12:28] <JStrike> Heard somewhere someone suggest a Click 'n Run style thing using Gnome Files and Autopackage. Would work really well with a debs though
[12:30] <JStrike> mass : I got robbed a few hours ago. The only thing they didn't seem to steal was my computer. You really know your computer is too old when thieves wont even steal it :-)
[12:36] <mroth> hmm.. warty doesnt appear to like 1920x1200 resolution, even if i add it to XF86Config manually
[12:36] <baluba> hi ToTo
[12:37] <Matt|> JStrike, no such thing as a computer which is too old
[12:38] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) yes there is
[12:38] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) esp with the development of low power low noise etc servers/routers
[12:39] (crimsun/#ubuntu) mroth: warty has nothng to do with the resolution. It depends on your graphics hardware, your monitor, and your configuration
[12:39] (crimsun/#ubuntu) nothing^
[12:39] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) you can replace an old linux box router with a WRT45GS which takes SFA power, makes no noise and has all the features
[12:39] (crimsun/#ubuntu) or you could save money by using the old linux box as a router
[12:39] <Matt|> yep
[12:40] (crimsun/#ubuntu) it really doesn't matter in many contexts
[12:40] <Matt|> nothing wrong with old computers
[12:40] <Matt|> they are sweet
[12:40] <ermo> HrdwrBoB, ... if you can live with a 2.4.20 kernel and not have complete QoS control for instance?
[12:40] <Matt|> loads of personality
[12:40] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) crimsun: considering it costs $155AUD
[12:40] <mroth> crimsun: well, it worked fine in debian sarge, and I copied the same XF86Config file settings, so something must be different somewhere
[12:40] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) I think the cost is negligble
[12:40] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) +i
[12:40] <mroth> the difficulty is in locating that somewhere
[12:40] (crimsun/#ubuntu) mroth: did you examine the logfile?
[12:41] <ermo> crimson, Matt|: don't forget the electriciy. Over the course of a year, a wrt54gs is significantly less expensive when turned on 24/7 (which a router often is)
[12:41] <JStrike> Matt| : Personality? That is an interesting way to describe it
[12:41] <Matt|> sure
[12:41] <mroth> crimsun: yeah, it appears to not know about the 1920x1200 mode
[12:41] <Matt|> nothing like a pentium 166 laptop with 32 MB of RAM
[12:42] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) nothing like moving parts to get clogged with dust
[12:42] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) and stop working
[12:42] <mroth> and interestingly enough it also is complaining about other modes which are nowhere in my XF86Config file at all (e.g. it tries to set 1920x1440 by default, which is nowhere at all in the config settings)
[12:42] <Matt|> meh you are so soulless
[12:42] (crimsun/#ubuntu) ermo: and what if there are multiple wrt54gses? for instance, I know of 486s that run great as routers
[12:42] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) I'
[12:42] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) no, I'm just sick or working with old, crap hardware
[12:43] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, next you'll be complaining about your children not using air efficiently
[12:43] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) that takes up too much space
[12:43] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) makes too much noise
[12:43] <Matt|> and eating too much
[12:43] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) and isn't even very cost effective
[12:43] <Matt|> and screaming
[12:43] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) old PCs have their place
[12:43] <Matt|> don't say it
[12:43] <gen> the trash?
[12:43] (crimsun/#ubuntu) mroth: make sure there's a modeline for 1920x1200
[12:43] <Matt|> ugh
[12:43] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) but .. the cost of new stuff is so small these days
[12:43] (crimsun/#ubuntu) mroth: and make sure you're using the same driver
[12:43] <Matt|> how could you throw away a pc
[12:43] <Matt|> poor thing
[12:43] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) that I am totally  over trying to support hardware that's 3 generations behind the times
[12:44] (crimsun/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: there's a call for each situation.
[12:44] <gen> i threw away my p133 last week
[12:44] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) matt|: http://kaos.vicnet.net.au/garbage/DSCN0001.jpg
[12:44] <Matt|> oh god
[12:44] <ermo> crimsun, I used to own a 486 and use it with leaf. Now I've bought a linksys wrt54gs.
[12:44] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) crimsun: true
[12:44] (crimsun/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: sometimes it's more cost-effective to use older hardware; sometimes it's more cost-effective to overhaul and use new
[12:44] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, is that your office?
[12:44] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) Matt|: yes
[12:44] <Talliesin> Environmental impact too.
[12:45] <Talliesin> I suggest the middle ground approach.
[12:45] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, ok i change my argument. Old Office pc's don't have much personality. Personal ones do tho
[12:45] (crimsun/#ubuntu) I suggest the "evaluate each circumstance" approach.
[12:45] <Talliesin> Use the thing in a suitable capacity (e.g. a router), but the moment it gives you hassle chuck it.
[12:45] <btfan> reposting something i said in ubuntu-devel
[12:45] <btfan> [23:43:25]  <btfan> hi
[12:45] <btfan> [23:43:42]  <btfan> is it possible that windows network printing colud be improved?
[12:45] <btfan> [23:44:11]  <btfan> basically, is it possible for ubuntu to scan the subnet, find the smb hosts and search for printers and put them in the 'detected' printers dialog?
[12:46] (mjr/#ubuntu) it would be possible to improve it thus, yes
[12:46] (crimsun/#ubuntu) btfan: so you're suggesting a utility that sits on top of samba to do that?
[12:46] <btfan> no i'm suggesting that the current 'new printer' thing does it
[12:46] <btfan> it would make it a hell of a lot easier for those migrating from windows and don't know what host the windows printer is currently on
[12:47] (mjr/#ubuntu) in the same way nautilus can currently find file shares
[12:47] <btfan> exactly
[12:47] (crimsun/#ubuntu) it's certainly doable, but it's more a gnome issue
[12:47] (crimsun/#ubuntu) afaics
[12:47] <btfan> nautilus is bloody spot on in that respect... i double click network, bang, all my servers.
[12:47] (crimsun/#ubuntu) hook it into gnome, and all the distros have access to it. everyone wins.
[12:48] <btfan> how could i 'report' this to the gnome team?
[12:48] (rjek/#ubuntu) "it's quite pretty in an Infant school sort of way" - my mother on KDE.
[12:48] <jonathaN> { /window stick $window off }
[12:48] <ogra> btfan: file a bug
[12:48] <btfan> oh btw, a bug i reported in khtml in 2000 got fixed last week :) thank god for opensource... ironically it was apple's safari improvements that fixed it
[12:48] (mjr/#ubuntu) well, it's a gnome-cups-manager issue, but yeah, not ubuntu-spesific
[12:49] <Matt|> anyone use gdesklets rss feed here?
[12:49] <JStrike> btfan : Gnome Bugzilla is the best bet
[12:49] <btfan> where do i find gnome-cups-manager?
[12:49] <btfan> im on their bugzilla now
[12:49] <btfan> but i can't find it
[12:50] <btfan> is it part of a different product?
[12:50] <ogra> btfan: file it in ubuntu bugzilla...it will be dealt with it .....
[12:50] <s0cks> I want an ubuntu hostmask
[12:50] <btfan> ok cheers
[12:50] <ogra> btfan: there are a lot of gnome devs involved with ubuntu :)
[12:51] <btfan> cool
[12:51] <btfan> btw - any update on graphical installer?
[12:53] (crimsun/#ubuntu) s0cks: then raise the suggestion in #ubuntu-devel
[12:53] (crimsun/#ubuntu) s0cks: ask for a freenode contact volunteer to coordinate the .ubuntu hostmask
[12:53] <s0cks> crimsun : Do it for me please
[12:53] <s0cks> crimsun : Cleaning my room, and I will forget :O
[12:53] (crimsun/#ubuntu) s0cks: feel free to raise it yourself; no one's hindered
[12:53] <madsen> Hmm, anyone had any luck importing their old .sylpheed-claws dir into Ubuntu?
[12:53] (crimsun/#ubuntu) s0cks: just do it when you return
[12:54] <RuffianSoldier> Does anyone here know about a OSX like Windows launcher that I can get through Universe?  And one that works with Enlightenment?
[12:54] <s0cks> Ah screw it.
[12:54] <s0cks> Ill wait till someone else gets the idea
[12:54] <JStrike> Somebody still using Enlightenment. Interesting
[12:54] <gen> enlightenment haha
[12:54] (crimsun/#ubuntu) I still use E 0.16
[12:54] <JStrike> Haven't seen that since really, really long ago
[12:55] <JStrike> crimsun : And RH 5.2?
[12:55] <AppleServer> hey s0cks :)
[12:55] <pinkee> E works without hogging resources, say that about gnome.
[12:55] <s0cks> Hey appleserver
[12:55] <madsen> E is ok... I prefer PapuaWM, but that's not in Ubuntu or Debian. :( Or any other distro for that matter.
[12:55] (crimsun/#ubuntu) JStrike: nope, but 6.2, yes
[12:56] <RuffianSoldier> Well can my question be answered though?
[12:56] <JStrike> pinkee : E is comparable to Gnome
[12:56] <madsen> pinkee: No, Rat Poison, PapuaWM and EvilWM doesn't hog resources... Pretty much everything else does. ;)
[12:56] (crimsun/#ubuntu) RuffianSoldier: lemme scroll up. Yours was lost in the scroll.
[12:56] <RuffianSoldier> I have a Debian OSX Theme for E, but I want a perty ap launcher
[12:56] <kwoo> madsen:  Try fvwm.  :)
[12:56] <madsen> kwoo: Still too bloated...
[12:57] (crimsun/#ubuntu) RuffianSoldier: could you describe what you mean by "app launcher?" I'm not familiar w/ OS X
[12:57] <pinkee> if you think so
[12:57] <kwoo> madsen:  Not according to 'ps auxw | grep -i fvwm'.  :)
[12:57] <JStrike> madsen : Dude, you really, really need to read what Joel On Software has to say about "bloat"
[12:57] <RuffianSoldier> crimsun, I want something that sits at the bottom of the screen, and I want to launch my programs from it
[12:57] <madsen> kwoo: PapuaWM: http://lillesvin.net/shots/?daa76141f1fd8f8878bed00f64cd85a3
[12:58] <madsen> JStrike: Cough up a link. :)
[12:58] <JStrike> RuffianSoldier : Add a panel and task launchers
[12:58] <MAFioZoX> lol
[12:58] <MAFioZoX> f
[12:58] <MAFioZoX> f
[12:58] <MAFioZoX> f
[12:58] <MAFioZoX> f
[12:58] <RuffianSoldier> JStrike, HUH?
[12:58] <JStrike> madsen : Search on JoelOnSoftware
[12:58] <kwoo> crimsun:  Something along the lines of the GNUstep dock.
[12:58] <pinkee> RuffianSoldier: i manages to get E working by adding it my .xinitrc
[12:59] <JStrike> RuffianSoldier :  A panel would sit at the bottom. Add application launchers
[12:59] <pinkee> and then go to management and regenerating the menues
[12:59] <RuffianSoldier> yall make no sense
[12:59] <pinkee> then you can apply the themes and use xdm to launch it
[12:59] <mass> :'(
[01:00] <JStrike> "RuffianSoldier: crimsun, I want something that sits at the bottom of the screen, and I want to launch my programs from it"
[01:00] (crimsun/#ubuntu) RuffianSoldier: gnome has the capability. Just add a launcher (or launchers) as JStrike described.
[01:00] <JStrike> You can add and remove what you want with the gnome panel
[01:00] <s0cks> AppleServer : Check out the site
[01:00] <mass> JStrike: sorry to hear you were robbed :(
[01:00] <AppleServer> s0cks: i am
[01:00] <RuffianSoldier> grtrrrrrrrr
[01:00] <s0cks> AppleServer : request some CDs if you like.
[01:00] <pinkee> gnome is not the cureall for everything
[01:00] <RuffianSoldier> you dont understand what Iwant
[01:01] <AppleServer> s0cks: but i got to get back to fmradio stuff
[01:01] <s0cks> olk
[01:01] <jdub> RuffianSoldier: there's a gdesklets thing that is like the dock, but not as well designed
[01:01] <pinkee> RuffianSoldier: did you see what i wrote
[01:01] <JStrike> mass : Yeah.  My brand new Digital Camera being stolen is hitting me the hardest though
[01:01] <kwoo> pinkee:  Doesn't stop me from using it.  :P
[01:01] (crimsun/#ubuntu) RuffianSoldier: now if you're actually looking for a separate application to act as a "launcher", look for idesk or iconbox, etc.
[01:01] <JStrike> pinkee : No.  Would dearly love for it to be though
[01:03] <mass> for some reason the system can fsck my reiser scsi disk just fine, but says 'device or resource busy, or /dir already mounted' when I try to do anything with it
[01:03] <JStrike> lupus_ : I dont think anyone is capable of compiling to to make debs
[01:03] <s0cks> I wonder if my gateway is scsi compatable
[01:03] <mass> lol
[01:03] <mass> Pigeon is .. not so good of a name for cd burning software
[01:03] <NewComer> can't recall doing anything, but after reboot gdm doesn't start correctly, it claims that there's another X server running on dislplay:0
[01:04] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) JStrike: i was halfway through doing it, have to figure out how to handle gnome schemas
[01:04] <mass> "pull!"
[01:04] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) s/gnome/gconf
[01:04] <JStrike> pinkee : Basically
[01:04] <pinkee> JStrike: have you read the website?
[01:05] <JStrike> Of course.
[01:05] <pinkee> i think you misses it all.
 lupus_ : I dont think anyone is capable of compiling to to make debs
[01:05] <lupus_> how do you mean?
[01:06] <jdub> lupus_: coaster is coming
[01:06] <JStrike> lupus_ : Dont worry, it should be possible, I have just heard of a lot of people having trouble
[01:06] <ramzez> weird thing happening, when i am using ethernet connection i can access ubuntuforums.org and when wireless i can't, any ideas?
[01:07] <JStrike> jdub : Good stuff
[01:07] <NewComer> ramzez, probably u're viewing the cache, coz i can't access the forums here
[01:08] <madsen> JStrike: Haha, JoelOnSoftware's bloat text is fun. :)
[01:08] <lupus_> is the transset package available? ;p
[01:08] <lupus_> want to test transparancy of the new xorg :)
 Gmail: where are you standing up right now? i go sleeping right now <<< what?
[01:09] <ramzez> NewComer, are they down?
[01:09] <madsen> JStrike: But, to me fvwm is still bloated because it has a lot of features _I_ don't use. :) And that's the beauty of Linux, you get to choose. :)
[01:09] <ramzez> cause i was using them about 30 mins ago
[01:09] <NewComer> ramzez, probably, seems so
[01:09] <JStrike> Joel On Software normally has very good articles
[01:10] <JStrike> madsen : :-)
[01:10] <ramzez> i c, i am trying to play some avi and mp3 and it says error unknown, do i need some extra stuff for it?
[01:10] <JStrike> ramzez : Yep. Check the wiki for RestrictedFormats
[01:11] <ramzez> oh, u mean on the ubuntu.org
[01:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ramzez: yep
[01:11] <JStrike> Yep
[01:12] <Talliesin> I've an old windows machine that doesn't boot from CD, and nothing but windows machines here. Is there any way I can start the install from floppy?
[01:12] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:12] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ramzez: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats i *think*
[01:12] <Chibi> Talliesin- Debian bootdisks.
[01:12] <Chibi> It's complex if you want to install ubuntu from the start, but it's easy if you're okay with installing Debian first, then Ubuntu.
[01:13] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Talliesin: thers a program called smart boot manager that will boot the cd on systems not supporting it
[01:13] <Talliesin> Chibi, this is my first linux install ever.
[01:13] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Chibi: so a bad idea :)
 you should be shot micorosoft lover
[01:13] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Talliesin: hold on two secs and I will get you the disk image for SBM
[01:13] <Matt|> btfan, did someone say windows network printing?
[01:13] <Chibi> Talliesin- Is it a laptop hotswap drive?
[01:14] <Talliesin> JStrike, is Joel On Software respected? I only read one thing by him I was referred to as it was on a subject I'm into. Seemed, eh, less than spectactular.
[01:14] <Talliesin> Chibi, no.
[01:14] <afshin> are the ubuntu forums down?
[01:14] <JStrike> Talliesin : Yes
[01:14] <Chibi> Then you should be fine with the smart boot manager this guy's about to give you. :D
[01:15] <jdub> Talliesin: some people love him, some people hate him.
[01:15] <ramzez> JStrike: it says i need streamer-mad which is not in the packages, any other solutions?
[01:15] <Talliesin> Chibi, strange technology timewarp here. One machine can't talk USB or ethernet, but does has a floppy drive. The other didn't bother with those out-moded floppy things.
[01:16] <cardador> ramzez: gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:16] <Chibi> Talliesin- As long as you have both a floppy and cdrom in at bootup. :D
[01:16] <JStrike> ramzez : You need to enable multiverse in synaptic
[01:16] <ramzez> oh i c
[01:16] <ramzez> i didn't see there is a link :-)
[01:16] <ramzez> time to go to bed
[01:16] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Talliesin: Get that disk image I sent in private, then if you boot off that you should be able to boot the cdrom from it
[01:16] <ramzez> heheh
[01:16] <afshin> does anyone know how long the ubuntu forums will be down?
[01:17] <Chibi> My experience is more complex, because I can't have both a floppy and cdrom at the same time on my old machine. :/
[01:17] <afshin> is this expected downtime?
[01:17] <JStrike> Is gstreamer-ffmpeg in multiverse yet?
[01:17] <Talliesin> jdub, well the only thing I read by him was an article about Unicode. I thought it reasonable for a blog post, but was horrified to hear it was republished in a book.
[01:17] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Chibi: can you hotswap while its on?
[01:18] <Talliesin> Lathiat, thanks a lot. Have to go, but hopefully I'll be able to get this thing going when I come back.
[01:18] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Talliesin: no problems
[01:18] <Chibi> Lathiat- No, it's an old Compaq with a switch out drive-bay. The only way for me to do it is a bootstrap, Or installing a 30 disk base system. :P
[01:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Chibi: could install SBM on the hard drive
[01:19] <Chibi> Nope.
[01:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Chibi: then pout the cdrom in, boot via that
[01:19] <Chibi> Bope.
[01:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) why not?
[01:19] <Chibi> It's not a /real/ cdrom drive.
[01:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ahh
[01:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) could do a network install ?
[01:20] <Chibi> Yep.  Time to sort out all of mass's issues, so he can get back to work on the bittorrent library
[01:23] <mass> JStrike: I'm in #reiser4 on another server
[01:23] <mass> one of my issues just got really bad :(
[01:23] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) haha
[01:23] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) not at you mas, jstrike
[01:23] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) mass: reiser is bad
[01:23] <Chibi> Now that it's been mentioned again, though. I'm going to take another shot at it. Last time I lost power during the debian-ubuntu phase. Unfortunautly, the very file it died on was the initrd, leaving my system unbootable. :/
[01:23] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) failed me too many times
[01:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i dont touch anything but ext3
[01:24] <Chibi> reiser is awsome. D:
[01:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) never ever failed me once
[01:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) resier has rashed my data twice, my friends thrice
[01:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) *trashed
[01:24] <Chibi> :/ Never had a problem with it.
[01:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) it might be cool, awesome, but its not ready for my production data yet
[01:25] <Kirsch> hey guys is there a way to search the packages (like in synaptic) from sh?
[01:25] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) apt-cache search <term1> <term2>
[01:25] <Kirsch> ty
[01:25] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) and you can install them that way too
[01:25] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) you can see the details of a package
[01:25] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) apt-cache show <packagename>
[01:25] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) and
[01:25] <Chibi> You can also use aptitude if it's just console you're after. D:
[01:26] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) sudo apt-get install <packagename>
[01:26] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) Chibi: yeah, aptitude is nice
[01:26] <Chibi> My laptop was all ncurses. :D
[01:27] <JStrike> Dude, Why, Why!
[01:27] <ramzez> hmm, i added multiverse, but still can't see the files mentioned on the wiki apart form flash
[01:27] <madsen> how do I enable the root account? I'm getting tired of sudo'ing all over...
[01:27] <JStrike> It is enough to make baby jesus cry
[01:28] <JStrike> madsen : Check the wiki
[01:28] <madsen> JStrike: Thanks. :)
[01:28] <Chibi> Because X doesn't run well on a pentium with 32 megs of ram?
[01:28] <madsen> Chibi: Hehe...
[01:28] <JStrike> ramzez : You did a search for gstreamer and nothing came up with gstreamer*mad
[01:29] <ramzez> yep
[01:29] <madsen> Chibi: Why not use *bsd, it should be more suitable on small systems like that.
[01:29] <mass> Lathiat, Chibi: my data is just fine, the thing just refuses to mount now
[01:29] <Chibi> Because I'm not in the mood for cross compiling to bsd. :/
[01:29] <madsen> Chibi: Oh. :)
[01:29] <runixd> hello
[01:30] <mass> it has my home directory and all my music, so I'm very upset about this. 30 minutes ago was when this little machine reinstall was supposed to end for the night :(
[01:30] <madsen> ramzez: I've got gstreamer-mad in universe... (?)
[01:30] <runixd> mass, what happened?
[01:30] <ramzez> hmm, what section exactly?
[01:30] <mass> runixd: no idea :(
[01:31] <ajmitch_> the filesystem was eaten
[01:31] <runixd> mass, why are you upset then?
[01:31] <madsen> ramzez: What interface do you use to search the repo?
[01:31] <mass> runixd: this has happened to me in the past, it was an old IDE cable
[01:31] <ramzez> synaptic
[01:31] <mass> the drive errors were interpreted the wrong way by reiser (the drive was just going to a lower speed)
[01:31] <runixd> mass, I don't follow, your hard drive went dead or smth?
[01:31] <JStrike> ramzez : Enable mutiverse and universe in Synaptic. Then reload and search for gstreamer or mad
[01:31] <mass> runixd: no, kernel driver error is my guess
[01:31] <ramzez> that's what i did
[01:32] <runixd> mass, what are the symptoms?
[01:32] <JStrike> ramzez : Are you sure you have reloaded
[01:32] <JStrike> ?
[01:32] <madsen> ramzez: I just did a search on "gstreamer" and I got it... Can you paste me your /etc/apt/sources.list in a priv-msg?
[01:33] <ramzez> sure
[01:33] <madsen> ramzez: Then do as I just told you...
[01:33] <mass> runix: mount fails, says either the scsi block device is busy or the directory already has a mount
[01:33] <mass> runix: nothing in dmesg
[01:33] <ramzez> i closed application (old windows way) and the run it again and clicked on reload
[01:33] <runixd> mass, check /etc/mtab
[01:34] <mass> runixd: I removed it from fstab with no effect. Now I'm removing the scsi drivers from /etc/modules
[01:34] <JStrike> And search for gsteamer turned up nothing? Then paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in a priv-msg to madsen
[01:34] <runixd> mass, fstab is not related, mounted drive info is in /etc/mtab
[01:35] <mass> it mounted before I made those two changes
[01:35] <mass> removed the modules from loading and it worked. its some funky initialization order thing >:(
[01:36] <runixd> hmm, k, I'm still lost but nvm :)
[01:36] <ramzez> masden, how do i send priv.msg?
[01:37] <madsen> ramzez: What irc-client?
[01:37] <runixd> ramzez, /msg name message
[01:37] <runixd> or /dialog name msg with xchat
[01:37] <ramzez> x-chat
[01:37] <mass> runixd: it is not a setup problem, its a kernel level software problem
[01:37] <Neill> How do I setup x forwarding over ssh?
[01:37] (crimsun/#ubuntu) ssh -X
[01:37] <runixd> Neill, ssh -X user@host
[01:37] <mass> runixd: the reiserfs 3 drivers are ... fragile in my experience
[01:37] <madsen> ramzez: runixd said it. :)
[01:38] <runixd> mass, reiser3 is very stable, but I still don't get what the problem is :)
[01:38] <Neill> runixd: thanks
[01:38] <runixd> np
[01:39] <mass> runixd: well I tracked it down to a driver initialization problem. If I put my scsi drivers in /etc/modules, it fails to mount. if I wait until after boot and just mount the drive, it works. Dunno if the drivers will be found if I just try a mount at boot without /etc/modules having the scsi drivers
[01:39] <mass> runixd: and it is definately some bug in the reiserfs fs driver. I can do everything else, including a fsck
[01:41] <Chibi> Ubuntu moved up to slot 12 on DW :D
[01:41] <mass> DW = ?
[01:41] <mass> DW are my initials :)
[01:41] <Chibi> Distrowatch
[01:42] <JStrike> I would have gone for Dark Wing Duck
[01:42] <mass> Dinomutt: Dog Wonder
[01:43] <mass> but yeah, I used to hear "when there's trouble you can call D.W." alllllll the time
[01:43] <runixd> mass, you should probably have your driver within kernel or load it on boot or tinker with initrd
[01:44] <madsen> mass: But did you ever "get dangerous"? ;)
[01:44] <mass> madsen: no, but I suggested it many times
[01:44] <JStrike> Distrowatch and Tucows, etc are useless. According to those things, most people are running Mandrake
[01:44] <madsen> mass: hehe
[01:44] <mass> madsen: "Lets get Dangeroussss"
[01:44] <JStrike> And Mandrake ceased to be significant years ago
[01:46] <mass> runixd: perhaps I should try it. In the past, the driver did not work right when compiled into the kernel
[01:46] <madsen> Hmm... Did anyone succesfully import their old sylpheed-claws settings into Ubuntu?
[01:46] <mass> runixd: it is possible that this scsi driver is not set up with an appropriate dependancy as well - after all, it is pretty new (2.6.9)
[01:46] <_scp> do I have to worry about overlap in packages between main and universe?
[01:47] <madsen> JStrike: It may have ceased to be significant, but a lot of people use it, especially because it's so "user friendly".
[01:47] <runixd> mass, probably, don't blame reiser right away
[01:47] <_scp> overlap meaning there is an old version in main and a newer in universe, so when I do an "apt-get upgrade" it upgrades to the universe version?
[01:47] <madsen> _scp: If you install the "main" packages, then they're supported by the Ubuntu team, the "universe" equivalents are not... Or... Well, actually, I don't really know... :/
[01:48] <_scp> madsen: I am worried about "upgrading" to unsupported software
[01:48] <_scp> madsen: old version in main -> new version in universe
[01:48] <JStrike> madsen : It is primarily KDE based. And anybody that says KDE is userfriendly is out of their minds
[01:48] <madsen> _scp: I've been running Debian unstable for some years and only had problems with the "unstable" packages like twice or thrice.
[01:49] <madsen> JStrike: True, I'm not agreeing with it. :)
[01:49] <_scp> madsen: it's the security problems i worry about
[01:49] <madsen> _scp: Hmm, well... That's a good question... I've never really thought that much about it.
[01:49] <mass> runixd: it has just been a few times in the past, it has been reiser
[01:49] <JStrike> madsen is right main is supportes. Universe and Multiverse, if it breaks, you get to keep both parts
[01:49] <mass> and reiser never gives any sort of good error message
[01:50] <madsen> _scp: But shouldn't it be possible to  enable universe, get what you want, disable universe?
[01:50] <mass> 'filesystem already mounted' is not significant information for me to track down the root cause
[01:50] <mass> I only chose reiser this time because I wanted the possibility of migrating forward easily to 4
[01:50] <_scp> madsen: yeah
[01:50] <runixd> mass, that means its mounted and this message is generated by reading /etc/mtab and is not related to filesystem
[01:51] <_scp> JStrike: aware of that... I am just worried about a newer version of the same package being in universe
[01:51] <SeaBass> hi all
[01:51] <mass> runixd: it is an error returned by the reiser kernel driver, there is nothing in mtab
[01:51] <madsen> _scp: Then you won't have problems with main-packages upgrading to universe pkgs... Besides, I don't really think it's an issue... I would think the packages know where they come from and don't install to a newer version from another repo.
[01:51] <_scp> madsen: Oh... I see what you meant now
[01:52] <madsen> _scp: Can't you try it out with some insignificant stand-alone package?
[01:52] <JStrike> _scp : I dont think there is overlap. But best to ask jdub or one of the other canonical people
[01:52] <_scp> madsen: maybe...
[01:52] <madsen> JStrike: iirc I saw an overlap just an hour or so ago.
[01:52] <mass> JStrike: speaking of bittorrent
[01:52] <jdub> _scp: there is no overlap between main and the other components.
[01:53] <JStrike> jdub : btw, has ubuntu had any major rollouts yet? I think the shuttleworth foundation is doing some big ones here, but have there been any others? Or is it still too early
[01:53] <_scp> jdub: Thanks! I appreciate it.
[01:53] <mass> JStrike: someone asked on the mono list, and as result, sent email to all three projects he got responses from, asking for a uniting
[01:53] <_scp> madsen, JStrike, thanks for your input!
[01:53] <madsen> JStrike: No wait, that was just me being an idiot... I didn't...
[01:53] <JStrike> mass : That is good news
[01:53] <madsen> _scp: any time. :)
[01:53] <JStrike> That is not the emails from ages ago is it?
[01:55] <madsen> Btw. If you all want to help me out with my linguistics assignment, then go to: http://lillesvin.net/?64 and do the experiment refered to there. It would be greatly appreciated. :)
[01:56] <madsen> but don't go all at once! It's a small server and a 256k connection. :)
[01:56] <obiyoda> Hello all. I am pretty new to this linux thing. Was wondering if any one had some advice on getting a dual monitor system working?
[01:56] <Chibi> Nvidia?
[01:56] <mass> JStrike: I dunno, we have to agree on license and architecture, and I am not willing to go up from MIT to something more developer-restrictive
[01:57] <JStrike> mass : MIT is the only way to go
[01:57] <mass> JStrike: especially since the 'real' version is MIT :)
[01:57] <obiyoda> unfortunatly I have pieced togethor a machine which has two differnt video cards one ati the other nvidia
[01:57] <JStrike> mass : Well, that too :-)
[01:58] <SirG3> Hm, BZFlag plays like crap so I don't think Ubuntu figured out what to do w/ my graphics card. However, the howto on how to get it working doesn't work..... sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver fails, any ideas?
[01:58] <JStrike> mass : Dont know where I saw it, but there is apparently a very good document for creating your own bittorent port.
[01:59] <SirG3> (referring to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto)
[01:59] <mass> JStrike: there is a protocol doc on the bittorrent website, was that it? :)
[01:59] <eruin> oooh
[01:59] <eruin> firefox supports my locale
[01:59] <stuNNed> SirG3, sure it's called fglrx-driver?  try apt-cache search fglrx or apt-cache search ati
[01:59] <JStrike> mass :I think it was on a yahoo mailing list. But I cant access anything Yahoo! related on this computer for some reason
[01:59] <mass> so as while as this channel is jumping - is it possible for me to enter japanese text using something like uim with ubuntu? or set my locale to a japanese locale? :)
[02:00] <SirG3> stuNNed: just copy and pasting off of the HowTo, but I'll try that now
[02:00] <eruin> crap, yeah, can utf8 support languages like chinese and janapese?
[02:00] <ramzez> just las question for today, i can play avi, but there is no picture just sound, which streamer i need for this?
[02:00] (crimsun/#ubuntu) eruin: yes
[02:01] <mass> eruin: it can support any unicode character, utf-8 is just an encoding
[02:01] <obiyoda> SirG3 thanks that may help me
[02:01] <stuNNed> why is ubuntu moving in the direction of using only unicode?
[02:02] <runixd> wz with http://www.ubuntuforums.org/?
[02:02] <mass> stunned: that is a bad direction to take?
[02:02] (crimsun/#ubuntu) runixd: downtime.
[02:02] (crimsun/#ubuntu) mass: no, it's a good direction to take
[02:02] <mass> crimsun: unicode is overrated
[02:02] <eruin> I think mass implied that ;)
[02:02] <mass> everyone else should just figure out how to use us7ascii to make their own language work
[02:02] <robertj> is the title bar click resize a gnome default?
[02:03] <mass> I propose ascii art ;-)
[02:03] <robertj> I seem to remember it shading the window
[02:03] <stuNNed> mass, obviously not, was just curious :)
[02:03] <robertj> did that change, did ubuntu change, or am I getting it confused with OS 9?
[02:03] <jdub> robertj: gnome default change
[02:03] <robertj> whee
[02:03] <jdub> robertj: just go into the Windows dialogue and change the behaviour
[02:04] <robertj> jdub: it's not that, I was afraid I had a dot-file hanging around that might have changed it
[02:04] <robertj> I usually change it, and I was looking on "stealing" from the Gnome desktop project for ubuntu docs
[02:04] <robertj> and that's a change from the 2.6 docs
[02:05] <eruin> who made the ubuntu cursors?
[02:05] <eruin> I absolutely adore them
[02:05] <jdub> jimmac
[02:05] <eruin> ah, figures
[02:05] <SirG3> stuNNed: the first command returned nothing (searching for fglrx) and the second command returned tons and tons of results... but I see nothing about ati in em........ heh
[02:05] <JStrike> They are good
[02:06] <JStrike> Is jimmac does stuff for Ubuntu as well, or did you get the NLD stuff
[02:06] <NewNick> does ubuntu hoary have ATI drivers released yet?
[02:06] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) speaking of.. how would I get the default X pointer back? the ubuntu default flickers.
[02:06] <JStrike> Getting the contact loolup applet before NLD was beautifull
[02:07] (crimsun/#ubuntu) NewNick: see the binarydrivers section of the wiki?
[02:07] <jdub> JStrike: none of that stuff is NLD-driven
[02:07] <NewNick> that's for warty
[02:07] (crimsun/#ubuntu) NewNick: ...and?
[02:08] (crimsun/#ubuntu) NewNick: the restricted modules are just an install (a couple clicks, if you so choose) away
[02:08] <eruin> JStrike: what's NLD?
[02:08] <Gmail> is hoary 5.4?
[02:08] <Gmail> is hoary 5.4???????????
[02:08] (crimsun/#ubuntu) novell linux desktop?
[02:08] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) crimsun: oh btw, I was able to disable stripping by setting DEB_STRIP_EXCLUDE := gaim
[02:09] <JStrike> crimsun : Yep
[02:09] <NewNick> crimsun: I don't think you understand, the warty drivers will not work for hoary because warty uses XFREE and hoary uses XORG and fglrx for ati drivers is only XFREE as of now
[02:09] <JStrike> eruin : Novell Linux Desktop
[02:09] <eruin> gotcha
[02:09] (crimsun/#ubuntu) GammaRay: good.
[02:10] <stuNNed> SirG3, do you have 'restricted' defined in your /etc/apt/sources.list?  and is this PPC?  fglrx-driver shows up here in 'restricted' repo, also you might want to add 'multivers' and 'universe' to your repo's list, i'm not sure if fglrx-driver has been ported to PPC if this is PPC...
[02:10] <JStrike> I have to admit. I am very happy that I changed to Ubuntu instead of waiting around for NLD to be released. It is the first time ever that I am disappointed with a Ximian release
[02:10] (crimsun/#ubuntu) NewNick: um. You do know that XFree86 and X.Org as Debian (and thus Ubuntu) packaged are largely interchangeable, correct?
[02:11] <NewNick> crimsun: yes, but the FGLRX driver is not.
[02:11] <SirG3> stuNNed: yes, I think restrected is defined in /etc/apt/sources.list (there were a couple lines mentioning restricted), and yes, I'm n PPC
[02:11] <stuNNed> SirG3, sorry s/multivers/multiverse
[02:11] (crimsun/#ubuntu) NewNick: does it work w/ Fedora Core 2/3?
[02:11] <NewNick> nop
[02:11] <NewNick> well when I tried it didnt
[02:11] <NewNick> like
[02:11] <NewNick> 3 months ago
[02:12] <eruin> aren't ubuntu allowed to use the firefox icon/artwork?
[02:12] <SirG3> stuNNed: nothing about multiverse in there: how would I enable that?
[02:12] <stuNNed> SirG3, just add word 'multiverse' after 'universe'
[02:12] (crimsun/#ubuntu) NewNick: I think you're skipping the critical step of googling...
[02:13] <madsen> Hmm, how would I catch all orphaned packages in synaptic? I've tried "installed" + "orphaned" but that somehow catches all packages. :/
[02:13] <mojo> morning everyone
[02:13] (crimsun/#ubuntu) NewNick: I _just_ searched and found several references to ATI drivers working (with and without patching) on Fedora Core 2 and newer
[02:13] <NewNick> crimsun: I have spent way way to mcuh time trying to get my x300 chipset working on ubntu
[02:13] <NewNick> but we arnt talking about fedora are we.
[02:13] <stuNNed> SirG3, maybe the driver is called something else for PPC, i'm not sure.  I do see on ATI's site there are drivers for MacOS.  I'd check around for Linux equivalent drivers for PPC, if you haven't already done so.
[02:13] (crimsun/#ubuntu) and since FC2 and newer use X.Org, I can only conclude that the ATI drivers work just fine with X.Org
[02:13] <mojo> I'm looking for oggvorbissdk, can someone show me how can I get this sdk via synaptic? what names are they?
[02:14] <NewNick> not on X300 chipsets
[02:14] <NewNick> do u understand what I mean by x300? radeon 9700 pros and etc
[02:14] <NewNick> it ALWAYS thinks im using a 8500 generic
[02:14] <NewNick> and gives me worse preformance
[02:14] <NewNick> 9500*
[02:14] (crimsun/#ubuntu) NewNick: no, I don't use ATI hardware. Have you consulted the ATI forums (assuming there is one)?
[02:15] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I would like to collapse these two lines: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[02:15] <NewNick> lol ati=not that well into linux
[02:15] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[02:15] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I should have no trouble doing that right?
[02:15] <eruin> crimsun, I've been hanging out on the fedora channels (and used fedora c2->c3t2->c3) and "just fine" isn't the proper term to use when speaking of xorg and ati drivers ;)
[02:15] <NewNick> ati only supports reh hat 9
[02:15] (crimsun/#ubuntu) GammaRay: correct.
[02:15] <NewNick> lol
[02:15] <NewNick> as of now
[02:15] <madsen> What is this "multiverse" about?
[02:15] <NewNick> (they only release rpms)
[02:15] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: sailor moon ofcourse
[02:15] <mass> madsen: ever see "The One" with Jet Li?
[02:15] <mass> oh, yeah, that too :)
[02:16] <s1x> hi all
[02:16] <eruin> I need to find a decent notebook with nvidia isntead of all these ati 9700 ones
[02:16] <eruin> if only because of nvidias excellent linux support
[02:16] <NewNick> eruin: yep
[02:16] <s1x> i just plugged my and SD card in my usb card reader and nothing happened. The kernel recognized it and hal does it too. Can anyone help me out trying to figure out why g-v-m doesn't mount it?
[02:17] <NewNick> ati is sadd..
[02:17] <NewNick> is it X300 or newer?
[02:18] <madsen> NewNick: I don't know how old the X300 is, but mine is a Radeon Mobility M6
[02:19] <NewNick> wel then that's why it works fine
[02:19] <NewNick> x300 is newer than the 9600's
[02:20] <madsen> NewNick: ... which I don't know how old are either.
[02:20] <NewNick> icic
[02:20] <wasabi> Does ubuntu support joysticks out of hte box?
[02:20] <madsen> NewNick: I'm not much into hardware, I just happened to know what gfx-card was in my Thinkpad. :)
[02:21] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) wasabi: see /proc/config.gz
[02:22] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) wasabi: 2.6 should contain all the support you need. I don't know how much attention ubuntu has paid to it.
[02:22] <wasabi> nosuch file or directory
[02:22] <wasabi> probably doens't have config support in heh
[02:22] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bleh
[02:22] <wasabi> yeah it has the joydev module loaded.
[02:22] <wasabi> but dmesg isn't showing naything
[02:23] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) wasabi: try /boot/config*
[02:23] <wasabi> and it used to on my previous debian kernel
[02:23] <zenwhen> wasabi,
[02:23] <zenwhen> Get a $9.99 MS Sidewinder.
[02:23] <wasabi> no.
[02:23] <zenwhen> They works so winderfully in Linux.
[02:23] <zenwhen> work*
[02:23] <zenwhen> Oh well.
[02:23] <wasabi> how nice of it.
[02:23] <wasabi> regardless.
[02:23] <zenwhen> Whoa, attitude.
[02:23] <zenwhen> O;
[02:24] <wasabi> what, you think it's acceptable that I should go buy new hardware when the previous worked fine on debian?
[02:24] <wasabi> i think not.
[02:24] <zenwhen> waaa?
[02:24] <zenwhen> What joystick are you using now?
[02:24] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) wasabi: what type of joystick?
[02:24] <wasabi> logitech
[02:24] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) how does it plug in?
[02:24] <wasabi> usb.
[02:25] <wasabi> i should be getting dmesg notifications of it in some fashions
[02:26] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) wasabi: take a look at /usr/src/linux/Documentation/input/joystick.txt
[02:26] <s0cks> 0.o
[02:26] <wasabi> drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: ctrl urb status -2 received
[02:26] <wasabi> drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: usb_submit_urb(ctrl) failed
[02:26] <s0cks> Is hoarty fixed yet?
[02:26] <wasabi> do not have that directory
[02:26] <wasabi> I did not compile my own kernel.
[02:26] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) wasabi: it's part of the kernel-source package
[02:27] <darkjedi_NSC> hey guys - im a linux newbie, I just wanted to know if there are any ubuntu-specific guides on how to get started with linux. I'm a little overwhelmed stepping right in from the windoze world... TIA!
[02:27] <JStrike> Very good read : http://www.autopackage.org/NOTES
[02:27] <zenwhen> Compiling your own kernel is not only a good idea, but it is fun.   Maybe someone here can find it for you in the new wiki
[02:29] <zenwhen> In fact, I wasnt suggesting wasabi do it either.
[02:29] <darkjedi_NSC> thanks kneel, let me see if i can find it myself too
[02:29] <zenwhen> But if his joystick isnt supported, it might be a good idea.
[02:29] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) wasabi: from joystick.txt I see that "Logitech WingMan GamePad USB" is supported by the adi module
[02:30] <wasabi> Well, this joystick has never required special drivers before. Just generic joydev.
[02:30] <wasabi> nope.
[02:31] <robertj> wasabi: I'm trying to bootstrap ubuntu and it's being whiny
[02:31] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) joydev isn't a driver
[02:31] <darkjedi_NSC> Thanks Kneel - I found a doc called "learning ubuntu linux" in the wiki, im going to tear through it now
[02:31] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) For all joystick drivers to function, you'll need the userland interface
[02:31] <robertj> I think I may be doing something wrong, Is archive.ubuntu.org not a valid mirror for bootstraping purposes?
[02:32] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) module in kernel, either loaded or compiled in:
[02:32] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) and then it tell you to modprobe joydev..
[02:32] <wasabi> GammaRay, naw. Joydev on my Debian kernel was all. It detected the USB hotplug event and exposed /dev/input/js0
[02:32] <wasabi> now it's not doing either
[02:32] <wasabi> It's that generic
[02:32] <darkjedi_NSC> one more question, im running ubuntu on an older compaq notebook, it has a synaptics touchpad that is acting funny. anyone know how i can get a new/better driver for it?
[02:33] <wasabi> i just can't fathom what's differetn about ubuntu's kernel than my last one
[02:33] <madsen> Hmm, how does one do `apt-get clean` from synaptic?
[02:33] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) wasabi: it's probably just a flaw in the hosplug support... you might report this as a bug.
[02:33] <wasabi> same <IP_ADDRESS> that I used, all the support needed is listed in config
[02:33] <wasabi> Gamma, dmesg is kernel level, not hotplug.
[02:33] <stuNNed> is there any way to view a changelog in an uninstall .deb package with apt or dpkg?
[02:34] <jdz_> wasabi: I'm very suprised dmesg isn't showing anything
[02:34] <VOYAGER> wasabi have you tried the other usb sockets ive run into 1 or the other will run
[02:34] <wasabi> me too.
[02:34] <wasabi> not even a usb connect event
[02:34] <wasabi> VOYAGER, yeah cycled through all of em
[02:34] <VOYAGER> k
[02:35] <wasabi> i suspose it might be noted
[02:35] <wasabi> I just unplugged my mouse
[02:35] <wasabi> no unplug event
[02:35] <wasabi> plugged it back in, no plug event. and it don't work now.
[02:35] <wasabi> usb looks dead.
[02:35] <YokoZar> I just upgraded to with synaptic xorg and now the login screen freezes after making the login sound (the keyboard freezes too)
[02:36] <YokoZar> Maybe I'm missing a package somehow?
[02:37] <stuNNed> how to view changelogs of new packages?
[02:37] <jmhodges> heya
[02:38] <jmhodges> my grub-fu is weak
[02:38] <YokoZar> And is there a way to move between consoles in recovery mode (ie. shift+alt+f2 type stuff)?
[02:38] <madsen> jmhodges: What's the problem?
[02:38] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) stuNNed: /usr/doc/<package>/
[02:38] <jmhodges> im sitting on this live cd right now trying to figure out how to re-install the grub bits i had on my hard drive into my mbr now that i've overwritten them with a windows install in another partition
[02:38] <jmhodges> madsen, that right there ^ :)
[02:39] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) jmhodges: no.. grub is weak.. your foo is just fine
[02:39] <madsen> YokoZar: do you mean "ctrl+alt+f(1-6)"?
[02:39] <SeaBass> what kernel version does ubuntu use?
[02:39] <madsen> GammaRay: What's wrong with grub?
[02:39] <YokoZar> madsen: yeah that's what I meant
[02:39] <YokoZar> madsen: It doesn't work in recovery mode, which is single user mode.
[02:39] <jdz_> SeaBass: 2.6.x, Warty comes with 2.6.8 I believe
[02:39] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: the config file mainly
[02:39] <mass> SeaBass: 2.6.8
[02:39] <YokoZar> madsen: Do I need to d oan init 3?
[02:39] <SeaBass> thx
[02:39] <eruin> JStrike, yeah, good read. got it all spinning around in my poor head now ;)
[02:40] <SeaBass> does it get compiled from source?
[02:40] <YokoZar> Actually, I think I'll just install screen...
[02:40] <madsen> YokoZar: I think so, cause single user mode pretty much implies one login. No more, no less... At least that's my interpretation of it.
[02:40] <JStrike> Mike Hearn is pretty awsome
[02:40] <jmhodges> GammaRay, hehe
[02:40] <madsen> GammaRay: I think it's way better than e.g. Lilo
[02:40] <jmhodges> i knew how to do this with lilo
[02:40] <madsen> jmhodges: What have you tried so far?
[02:40] <YokoZar> exit
[02:41] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: you think, therefor it is, for you
[02:41] <YokoZar> I'll be back
[02:41] <SeaBass> is ubuntu a source or binary distro?
[02:41] <madsen> GammaRay: Exactly, I just wanted to hear why you thought grub sucked.
[02:41] <jmhodges> madsen, chroot and running grub-install, running grub-install from the cd with --config-file pointed to the one i had on the harddrive
[02:41] <madsen> SeaBass: bin
[02:41] <jmhodges> neither seemed to work
[02:41] <jdz_> SeaBass: Binary
[02:41] <SeaBass> thx
[02:41] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) SeaBass: both :-P
[02:41] <jmhodges> and .. something else.. trying to remember what..
[02:41] <madsen> jmhodges: With what as the target device?
[02:41] <zenwhen> haha
[02:42] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) does a source distro run only interperted code?
[02:42] <jmhodges> oh, the latter was grub fromt he cd with the --config-file.. (which was stupid i know) and then i tried grub-install with the -directory deal pointed at the grub dir in /boot on the hd
[02:42] <zenwhen> There was another "source = fast, binary = slow" guy.
[02:42] <jmhodges> madsen, /dev/hda
[02:42] <madsen> jmhodges: I think `grub-install /dev/hda` should do the trick. (You might want to add "--no-floppy" if you don't have a floppy drive.
[02:42] <jdz_> GammaRay: When I think of a Source distro, Gentoo comes to mind
[02:42] <jmhodges> madsen, from where?
[02:42] <wasabi> grrr
[02:42] <wasabi> i really dont wanna recompile
[02:42] <madsen> jmhodges: Hmm, than apparently it _didn't_ do the trick...
[02:42] <jmhodges> madsen, oh i tried that
[02:42] <jmhodges> let me get the output
[02:43] <madsen> jmhodges: I don't think you can do it from a chroot, but I'm not sure.
[02:43] <jmhodges> madsen, nope, i dont think i can either heh
[02:43] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) apt-get (the) source!
[02:43] <madsen> jmhodges: I'm not sure the chrooted env will recognize /dev/hda
[02:43] <jmhodges> madsen, well, grub-install /dev/hda is doing something
[02:44] <jmhodges> but im nto sure if its what i want
[02:44] <wasabi> a chroot will recognize /dev/hda fine if hte file exists
[02:44] <wasabi> and points to the right major/minor
[02:44] <jmhodges> madsen, "Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device."
[02:44] <usual> bass is good beer
[02:44] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: I just think grub is way too complicated for it's small benefits
[02:44] <wasabi> jmhodges, edit /etc/mtab
[02:44] <jmhodges> chroot was having issues with another missing /dev i think
[02:44] <jmhodges> wasabi, ok.. to what? :/
[02:44] <wasabi> whatever /boot is
[02:45] <scognito_> is the extension of shadow and translucent windows compiled in hoary's xorg packages?
[02:45] <jmhodges> wasabi, ahhh i see
[02:45] <ajmitch_> wasabi: you're not the only one to have USB issues
[02:45] <wasabi> grub uses /etc/mtab to find the device for /boot.
[02:45] <wasabi> scognito_, the extension is. The applications required are not.
[02:45] <YokoZar> ok I got my screen action going, ready to reinstall whatever packages I need to get xorg working (or at least a login screen...)
[02:45] <scognito_> ok tnx
[02:45] <JStrike> scognito_ : It doesn't matter. None of the major Window Managers have composite support
[02:45] <eruin> autopackage is exciting
[02:45] <madsen> jmhodges: Try something like: grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/hda1/boot/grub/ /dev/hda  (but change the --root-dir path to your installations grub-dir.)
[02:46] <wasabi> JStrike, xcompmgr "works".
[02:46] <scognito_> ok :D
[02:46] <JStrike> eruin : It really is
[02:46] <jmhodges> madsen, actually i think thats correct
[02:46] <JStrike> ha
[02:46] <madsen> jmhodges: It's great if it is. :)
[02:46] <JStrike> xcompmgr is a load of shit
[02:46] <eruin> JStrike, xfwm
[02:46] <jmhodges> madsen, from yours.. i tried this before "cp: listing attributes of `//lib/grub/i386-pc/stage1': Unknown error 524"
[02:47] <JStrike> It is a means for testing, Not for using
[02:47] <wasabi> xcompmgr is great if you have a device with sane RENDER
[02:47] <wasabi> Of which there is none
[02:47] <jdub> metacity supports composite (though it's currently b0rk)
[02:47] <JStrike> eruin : I said major :-)
[02:47] <robertj> eeky panick!
[02:47] <jdub> has had composite support for ages
[02:47] <eruin> JStrike, well, after kwm and metacity I'd say it's the most popular ;P
[02:47] <madsen> jmhodges: Hmm...
[02:47] <ajmitch_> xcompmgr worked at a decent speed with a geforce2
[02:47] <JStrike> jdub: It has been disabled for a while
[02:47] <jdub> wasabi: works fairly well on nvidia
[02:47] <madsen> jmhodges: I hate unknown errors.
[02:47] <wasabi> jdub, crashes my X for me after about 10 minutes, on Nvidia.
[02:47] <jdub> JStrike: only recently.
[02:47] <ajmitch_> I just got sick of firefox crashing due to the flash plugin
[02:47] <robertj> Insatlled a sid chroot, changed my sources.list, dist-upgraded to warty stuff, then tried to install ubuntu-desktop and dependencies aren't resolving :(
[02:48] <jdub> it has always been a devel feature
[02:48] <jmhodges> wasabi, btw, that didnt work either with this line in mtab "/boot /mnt/hda1 ext3 rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0"
[02:48] <wasabi> that's because you did /mnt/hda1
[02:48] <wasabi> and not /dev/hda1
[02:48] <Gmail> robertj: you are a moron if you swap to debian sid from ubuntu
[02:48] <JStrike> jdub : I remember it being enabled, then pulled almost immediatly a while ago. (Well, some months ago)
[02:48] <wasabi> Gmail, you are a moron ifyou assume somebodys distro choice makes them a moron.
[02:48] <robertj> Gmail: read closely, I'm bootstrapping ubuntu
[02:49] <scognito_> which config file is used for X?
[02:49] <jdub> JStrike: it's been on HEAD for about a year. it's not enabled by default. currently it is broken.
[02:49] <robertj> or rather attempting to
[02:49] <jmhodges> wasabi, ah, ok
[02:49] <scognito_>  /etc/X11/Xf86config-4 is still ok?
[02:49] <wasabi> scognito_, xorg uses /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:49] <scognito_> ok
[02:49] <scognito_> thanks a lot
[02:49] <eruin> (which is alot more easy to type)
[02:49] <jmhodges> wasabi, well /boot is inside of a larger partition, not one by itsel
[02:50] (crimsun/#ubuntu) robertj: it's doable. What's(re) the error(s)? use #flood if necessary
[02:50] <wasabi> jmhodges, eh? you don't have a /boot? oh. then you don't need to mess with mtab at all
[02:50] <Gmail> robertj: okay i thought you where a tipical n00b who knew nothing (not even howto make a sympal .deb binary)
[02:50] <jmhodges> ah heh
[02:50] <wasabi> you need to pass the right options to grub though
[02:50] <scognito_> 'nite
[02:50] <jmhodges> wasabi, right, theres the issue..
[02:50] <robertj> crimsun: it wants a newer version of alsa than what's installed
[02:51] <robertj> I wonder if sid alsa deps are making it unhappy
[02:51] (crimsun/#ubuntu) robertj: could you paste the error in #flood?
[02:51] <JStrike> Is gstreaner-ffmpeg in multiverse yet?
[02:52] <wasabi> Is there a replacement for kernel-package that Ubuntu is using to create the linux-* kernel packages?
[02:52] <eruin> JStrike, no
[02:52] <robertj> crimsun: that's as much as I can paste ;)
[02:52] <JStrike> I wonder why not?
[02:52] (crimsun/#ubuntu) robertj: and your /etc/apt/sources.list? and possibly /etc/apt/preferences?
[02:53] (crimsun/#ubuntu) wasabi: nope, just kernel-package per norm
[02:53] <robertj> there is no preferences file
[02:53] <wasabi> crimsun, well, kernel-package uses kernel-* naming scheme... so this will do that now?
[02:53] <wasabi> or are they renaming the results by hand?
[02:53] <jdub> there's an option to change the package name
[02:54] <wasabi> reallllly?
[02:54] (crimsun/#ubuntu) yep
[02:54] <JStrike> gstreamer--ffmpeg *really* should be in multiverse
[02:55] <eruin> it really should
[02:55] <JStrike> It would be a lot easier than the xinelib, totem-xine thing
[02:55] <wasabi> Wha't shte option? not finding it.
[02:55] <eruin> JStrike, or fetching it off debian
[02:55] <JStrike> Not loving the mixing Ubuntu and debian packages
[02:56] <usual> i wish audacity worked with alsa
[02:57] (crimsun/#ubuntu) usual: aoss audacity?
[02:57] <usual> crimsun, ?
[02:57] (crimsun/#ubuntu) usual: wrap audacity using the alsa wrapper?
[02:57] (crimsun/#ubuntu) install alsa-oss
[02:57] <YokoZar> Ok, here's the deal: All my packages are latest hoary version, but when it boots into login menu I get a frozen keyboard and a grey screen.  The login screen sound plays, but then everything locks up.
[02:57] <usual> crimsun, kernel  mods or packages
[02:58] (crimsun/#ubuntu) usual: it's a package
[02:58] (crimsun/#ubuntu) usual: I'm presuming your alsa config has oss emulation enabled?
[02:58] <usual> crimsun, how can I check
[02:58] <eruin> bah! the firefox package should be patched to use the gtk fileselector
[02:58] <ajmitch_> robertj: using a warty debootstrap?
[02:58] <robertj> hoary
[02:59] (crimsun/#ubuntu) usual: how are you using audacity now? alsa's oss emulation? direct oss?
[02:59] <robertj> i'll know if it works soon
[02:59] <robertj> i'm up to the c's
[02:59] <usual> crimsun, I'm not it fails to find the audio device
[02:59] <robertj> give er 10 minutes and i'll copy over my sources.list, make the changes to point it to warty and install desktop-base
[02:59] <robertj> after that my goal is to fight with Xnest
[02:59] <ajmitch_> I think it might be time to try & upgrade to hoary
[02:59] (crimsun/#ubuntu) usual: are you using alsa?
[03:00] <robertj> ajmitch: it's not
[03:00] <usual> crimsun, yes
[03:00] <robertj> "When it is time, you will KNOW it is time"
[03:00] <ajmitch_> robertj: is it more broken than sid?
[03:00] <robertj> ajmitch: don't use sid, I would guess yes
[03:00] <JStrike> Speaking off alsa-oss. It makes a really terrible crackling noise on my computer. And esd seems to still use oss
[03:00] <ajmitch_> alright
[03:00] <eruin> Gmail, it's in applications -> system using gksu instead of gksudo now (I've filed a bug)
[03:01] <ajmitch_> I've been using sid for a few years, so I've come to know the general ways of fixing things
[03:01] <jdub> Gmail: dude, chill out.
[03:01] (crimsun/#ubuntu) JStrike: make sure it's not trying to mmap
[03:01] (crimsun/#ubuntu) JStrike: that's known to be buggy
[03:01] <mojo> has anyone encountered bunch of error related to buildui.py with RealPlayer 10 (21/10/2004) build?
[03:01] <YokoZar> Ok, here's the deal: All my packages are latest hoary version, but when it boots into login menu I get a frozen keyboard and a grey screen.  The login screen sound plays, but then everything locks up.  Anyone have a clue?  Am I missing a package?  What should I try doing?
[03:01] <stuNNed> jdub, how to view the changelog of a package?
[03:02] (crimsun/#ubuntu) zless /usr/share/doc/$PACKAGE/changelog.Debian.gz
[03:02] <stuNNed> crimsun, thanks mate
[03:02] <stuNNed> crimsun, is there a way before it's installed?
[03:02] <ajmitch_> apt-listchanges is useful for mailing you changelogs when you install
[03:02] (crimsun/#ubuntu) stuNNed: ajmitch_ just mentioned apt-listchanges if you're upgrading
[03:02] <JStrike> YokoZar : Use the supported version, not Hoary?
[03:03] <YokoZar> JStrike: Safe way to downgrade?
[03:03] <Gmail> eruin: i now i had to do sudo passwd root on my dads computer for him to be able to use it
[03:03] <stuNNed> crimsun, ajmitch_ ok thanks
[03:03] <mojo> jdub: can you pls explain to me why only Ubuntu Linux like to remove the GNOME Inintlevel Service out?
[03:03] <eruin> Gmail, alternatively you could edit the menu item ;)
[03:04] <JStrike> YokoZar : Not sure
[03:04] <jdub> mojo: because it's not supported upstream, and it's not the best design for the job
[03:04] <JStrike> But I am sure there must be some info on google
[03:04] <robertj> btw, on the random gripe front, does anyone know if there has been any discussions of checking for keyboards before prompting for input?
[03:05] <jdub> stuNNed: /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.*
[03:05] <robertj> just in general debian-land. It's really naughty to have a machine with no ps/2 port prompt you when usb keyboards aren't working
[03:05] <mojo> jdub: really? so GNOME never has such offciail Initlevel tooL?
[03:05] <robertj> especially in PPC land where, unless there is some openfirmware deal I don't know about, you really don't have any options
[03:05] <jdub> Gmail: dude, if you are running hoary on your father's computer, that's the kind of mess you'll get in. it's *in development*.
[03:05] <jdub> mojo: no
[03:05] <mojo> jdub: could u be more specific?
[03:06] <jdub> mojo: no, gnome has never had an official runlevel tool
[03:06] <jdub> i'm just answering your question :)
[03:06] <mojo> jdub: ok, thx man
[03:06] <mojo> jdub: if it is so, then we should adopt one for ourselve like FC
[03:06] <jdub> mojo: perhaps.
[03:06] <eruin> mojo, it's being worked on afaik
[03:07] <mojo> jdub: i've tried RHEL 4 Beta and it completely deprecated eog, should we do so?
[03:07] <jdub> mojo: no
[03:08] <Gmail> jdub: i am taking care of my dad computer
[03:08] <mojo> jdub: isn't it better to have unified image viewer?
[03:08] <Gmail> there is no worry
[03:08] <jdub> Gmail: don't run a development release on it, and don't complain bitterly when things break
[03:08] <jdub> mojo: yes, when one's available
[03:08] <JStrike> Speaking of a FC feature I miss, is their package installer. Trying to get all the devel libs needed to build mono and gtk-sharp is a nightmare. On FC they had the simple way of just choosing the Gnome Development package(s) which would install most of what you need
[03:09] <jdub> JStrike: on its way.
[03:09] <JStrike> jdub : Nice.
[03:09] <mojo> jud: thx much jdub, ur the man, i'm just wondering when the gnome-panel-screenshot is up so I can take screenshot for my bug report
[03:09] <jdub> mojo: when there's a gnome-utils release upstream
[03:10] <jdub> mojo: there are lots of ways to take screenshots
[03:10] <jdub> mojo: use gimp
[03:10] <wasabi> grrrr
[03:10] <eruin> install imagemagick, run import -w root /path/to/saved.png
[03:10] <mojo> jdub: oh GIMP! yah! I forget GIMP can do it! thx jdub, u save the day again!
[03:10] <robertj> jdub: has there been much feedback on the Computer menu?
[03:10] <wasabi> feedback on computer menu: it rocks.
[03:10] <jdub> robertj: yeah, mostly positive
[03:10] <eruin> amen to that
[03:11] <jdz_> amen
[03:11] <jdub> robertj: there's a discussion going on upstream about modifying the menus, which is moving towards where we'd like to go
[03:11] <eruin> jdub, got alink?
[03:11] <jdub> see the desktop-devel-list archives
[03:11] <robertj> I support a sizable number of OS X users, and the Computer menu is never touched
[03:11] <wasabi> I like that XP feature where recently used apps drift towards the top of the menu
[03:11] <jdz_> the computer menu and sudo were the first two things that hit me in ubuntu, and got me hooked.
[03:12] <jdz_> wasabi: I believe KDE has something like that too
[03:12] <JStrike> jdub : IS it possible to get gstreamer-ffmpeg in Multiverse, or are the Cononical people not allowed to have anything to do with it?
[03:12] <mojo> jdub: isn't it better to place Synaptic in System confguartion?
[03:12] <jdub> wasabi: fairly likely it'll turn up in gnome 2.10
[03:12] <jdub> mojo: it is there.
[03:12] <Gmail> jdub: i am not complaing about things bracking (i report them too) i am just saying the mantanor should change stuff like this as when people upgrade from warty to hoary then they can't find synaptic and start complaining here
[03:12] <JStrike> sudo is really, really nice
[03:12] <robertj> Sudo is definately great
[03:12] <jdz_> JStrike: For sure.  I've fallen in love with sudo
[03:12] <mass> JStrike: sudo roxors :)
[03:12] <mojo> jdub: no, they just move it to System Tools
[03:12] <jdub> Gmail: dude, it's a bug. it's a development release. things like this happen.
[03:12] <Gmail> all i am saying it better not be like that for the rc
[03:12] <wasabi> I dislike having to be added to the audio/video/cdrom groups manually.
[03:12] <usual> what would be the thing to get into nowadays for a good job, pref IT related if it is a decent option
[03:12] <jdub> mojo: it's a bug.
[03:13] <robertj> Gnome places in general need lots of loving
[03:13] <jdub> Gmail: far out man, it's one month into the development process.
[03:13] <robertj> OS 10.3 has their favorite menus done right
[03:13] <wasabi> os x has a favoritres menu?
[03:13] <jdub> JStrike: i don't think we're going to do anything about it. if it goes into debian (unlikely), it'll turn up in universe.
[03:13] <wasabi> it just has the dock
[03:13] <Gmail> jdub: but it better not stay like that it better change back because i know people will be whining on where is snaptic
[03:13] <SirG3> I thought they stopped using favorites in 10.3?
[03:13] <robertj> like on the GtkFileChooser
[03:13] <SirG3> but I wouldn't know, never used it :-P
[03:13] <robertj> you have your bookmarks
[03:14] <jdub> Gmail: bugs will be fixed, dude.
[03:14] <robertj> and anything you bookmark there shows up in Finder and you can drag stuff to it
[03:14] <jdub> Gmail: let it go
[03:14] <calc> jdub: better hide out in the other channel, too many people here ;)
[03:14] <robertj> also you can click it and open your bookmarked place
[03:14] <usual> crimsun, I installed alsa-oss...now what
[03:14] <SirG3> robertj: Ah the sidebar
[03:14] <SirG3> ?
[03:14] <robertj> yeah
[03:14] <mass> robertj: you can also drag files there
[03:14] <robertj> mass: indeed
[03:14] <Gmail> jdub: i am not talking about to bug i am talking about changing the menu item
[03:14] <mass> robertj: if you _really_ open that file alot ;-)
[03:14] <ajmitch_> calc: don't you want to harass jdub too? :)
[03:14] <jdub> Gmail: again, that is a bug
[03:14] <robertj> mass: network resources, anything
[03:14] <Gmail> thing like that should NOT be changed
[03:15] <stuNNed> SirG3, i checked around, couldn't find anything related to ppc fglrx :(
[03:15] <jdub> Gmail: that will be fixed
[03:15] <jdub> Gmail: please let it go
[03:15] <Gmail> jdub: no it idn't
[03:15] <calc> the only thing i could harass him about he has nothing to do with, getting gnome 2.8 into sid ;)
[03:15] <mass> I just like the consolidation of all the icons into the dock - status notifications and all right there. Of course, system tools are slowly leaking upward into the menubar
[03:15] <SirG3> stuNNed: I looked around for 15 minutes on google then I found Bomberclone.... and suddenly the afternoon is gone :-P
[03:15] <ajmitch_> ah
[03:15] <ajmitch_> harass jordi & others then?
[03:15] <mass> but apple has promised to break that every major OS release, if you read between the lines
[03:15] <mass> 'don't do this with non-system code'
[03:16] <usual> calc, you still doing the KDE packages?
[03:16] <jdub> Gmail: i'll say it again -> the synaptic menu item moving is a *BUG* it will be fixed.
[03:16] <ajmitch_> when's the hoary upstream version freeze again?
[03:16] <jdub> ajmitch_: end of december (but that may change)
[03:16] <eruin> Gmail, have a cookie: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3979
[03:16] <usual> hell will freeze before hoary does
[03:16] <mass> mmm.. cookies
[03:16] <usual> i mean sarge
[03:17] <calc> usual: well 3.3.1 is as done as i can make it for sarge (afaik), so just sitting around waiting for it to migrate
[03:17] <mass> wrong order
[03:17] <mass> hoary, then hell, then sarge ;-)
[03:17] <robertj> mass: I really like it because it doesn't prompt at all
[03:17] <calc> but after that i am planning to jump into gnome dev if i can :)
[03:17] <eruin> wasn't sarge slated for a november release?
[03:17] <robertj> mass: it's really a scratch space area
[03:17] <ajmitch_> eruin: sarge was slated for a 2003 release
[03:17] <robertj> no "Are you sure you want to create a shortcut"
[03:17] <usual> calc, gotcha...havn't seen you in a while...I stopped using kde so I didn't come to #debian-kde anymore
[03:17] <eruin> hehe, I remember woody
[03:17] <eruin> ;D
[03:17] <calc> usual: ok
[03:17] <Gmail> jdub: its not a bug its a CHANGE and i am saying it not wise to do such changes
[03:17] <mass> robertj: prompts are overused. I like the UI design philosophy of 'assume the user isn't a moron, so only prompt them if something they are trying to do is genuinely destructive, like deleting a folder'
[03:17] <kensai> eruin, maybe it'll be available for early 2005
[03:17] <eruin> Gmail, stop trolling already
[03:18] <jdub> Gmail: dude. listen to me. it is a bug.
[03:18] <mass> the anti-clippy school of UI thought :)
[03:18] <ajmitch_> I've got a few packages that are quite outdated in warty
[03:18] <jdub> Gmail: the change is a bug.
[03:18] <jdub> Gmail: it will be fixed.
[03:18] <GotD0t> is there a way i can keep something in the clipboard after the application it was copied from is closed
[03:18] <calc> hmm i could just reinstall my desktop with hoary and have gnome 2.8 now :)
[03:18] <usual> calc, I enjoy it
[03:18] <SirG3> mass: yeah, I like doing something and the computer not asking me to confirm it. I hit command-delete - I MEAN TO DELETE THE TRASH! hehe
[03:18] <calc> i have warty on my laptop, but i still need a linux friendly wifi for it
[03:19] <jdub> calc: gnome 2.8 in warty, 2.9 in hoary ;-)
[03:19] <calc> the intel 2915 seems to be hard to get, or still vaporware
[03:19] <gen> linux friendly? contradiction
[03:19] <calc> jdub: whee 8)
[03:19] <mass> SirG3: yesss, if an operation is destructive, try to make it reversable, rather than prompting the user
[03:19] <calc> gen: just about anything other than broadcom
[03:19] <usual> I wonder when 2.6.9 will enter hoary
[03:19] <eruin> WHOOT, am I running gnome 2.9 ?
[03:19] <ajmitch_> ndiswrapper?
[03:19] <kensai> Gmail, LOL synaptic problem LOL yeah I was whining for 10 seconds until I found it
[03:19] <calc> i have broadcom 11g in my amd64 laptop so i can't even use that :\
[03:19] <stuNNed> calc, any orinoco card should be good, proxim atheros orinoco .11b/g here works well with madwifi-driver
[03:19] <gen> calc, yea i know, being a jackass.
[03:19] <usual> not fully 2.9 correct?
[03:19] <SirG3> mass: or at least be able to turn it off, bah - wish I could that w/ win98's empty trash dialog.....
[03:20] <calc> and i need working wpa on top of that, i have a prism54 with no wpa support :\
[03:20] <one_2_one> hy
[03:20] <jdub> usual: 2.9 as released upstrema
[03:20] <usual> why do you use synaptic anyway...
[03:20] <one_2_one> where i can get ubuntu kernel source ?
[03:20] <usual> jdub, gotcha
[03:20] <ajmitch_> calc: ah, I've got an old prism2 card
[03:21] <calc> i may just give up and buy an intel 2200 since those are supposed to work and have wpa support
[03:21] <Gmail> btw to get passed such ""BUGS"" is by doing the following command sudo passwd root , and entering the same password as the one you chose for sudo
[03:21] <robertj> other thought: does Gnome Keychain Manager load Apple Keychains?
[03:21] <kensai> I don't know which is the big deal about the bug on synaptic because it is always under system tools
[03:21] <calc> also is minipci so i can just pull the old card out and have it work
[03:21] <usual> jdub, I recall you mentioning things like bootsplashes and grub splashes in hoary...are those going to come near release or freeze? or just when they get to it
[03:22] <stuNNed> calc, wpa_supplicant working here with above mentioned card
[03:22] <jdub> usual: not sure if it's going to happen for hoary.
[03:22] <jdz_> sooner is better of course :)  more time for bugs to be found and fixed.
[03:22] <usual> jdub, ok...doesn't seem like a time consuming task or very difficult....so I was just curious
[03:22] <jdz_> usual: You should help then!
[03:23] <jdub> usual: well, it does involve developing a user space graphical boot subsystem...
[03:23] <usual> jdz_, I doubt I can just become a team member
[03:23] <stuNNed> ajmitch_, is there a way to set up a cron job for apt-listchanges to email changelogs of packages not installed yet?
[03:23] <usual> jdub, ok
[03:23] <calc> stuNNed: ok :)
[03:23] <one_2_one> ppl where i can get ubuntu kernel source ?
[03:24] <jdub> one_2_one: apt-cache search linux-source
[03:24] <one_2_one> i dont have net
[03:24] <jdub> you don't need net access :)
[03:24] <jdub> until you want to get the package
[03:24] <ajmitch_> stuNNed: not sure, it's probably possible :)
[03:24] <SirG3> Hm: as a first time user of Ubuntu some things pop out. I wish there was a way to have a global menu bar like Mac OS *, I wish when installing programs from Synaptic that they became listed in the applications menu.
[03:25] <SirG3> I wish things just worked: like my USB HDD and my firewire burner or my graphics card or mac on linux
[03:25] <jdub> SirG3: we won't have a global menu bar; most supported applications will have menu items; *heaps* of hardware 'just works'; MOL isn't supported.
[03:26] <SirG3> jdub: unfort. my hardware doesn't seem to be among the heaps of hardware :-(
[03:26] <jdub> SirG3: file bugs, or send install reports to ubuntu-users
[03:26] <JStrike> The first : Gnome is not Mac OS : The second should happen : Third is a problem that wont go away any time soon unless linux gets really popular
[03:27] <SirG3> JStrike: I find the one menu bar much more intiutive heh
[03:28] <SirG3> jdub: where would I file bugs?
[03:28] <madsen> SirG3: Actually, even though I dislike it, KDE has such an option.
[03:28] <jdub> SirG3: bugzilla.ubuntu.com (see the topic)
[03:28] <madsen> SirG3: I mean, KDE as oposed to KDE.
[03:28] <madsen> SirG3: rubbish, ... oposed to Gnome. :)
[03:30] <baluba> jdub, today there was someone who asked about the appropriate way to request for a package inclusion
[03:31] <Childe> Yesterday I upgraded to Hoary, but after the upgrade GDM can not start.
[03:32] <Childe> It says that there is already a X server on display 0, and give me a X serve only screen.
[03:32] <Childe> Just a pointer on black screen.
[03:33] <Childe> Is there any known bug in Hoary's GDM script?
[03:34] <Xamusk> hello again
[03:34] <one_2_one> jdub  i have been loking on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ but i dont see it to download
[03:34] <nicktastic> Are there any good documents that explain how ubuntu is different from other distributions, what it does better, why users would want to use it over the many other distributions out there? I'm having a hard time finding such information on the web site...
[03:35] <one_2_one> on apt-cache search he dont have linux source
[03:36] <baluba> one_2_one, apt-cache search linux-source
[03:36] <Childe> Anybody using Hoary here? Tell me if your GDM works correctly/
[03:36] <one_2_one> baluba  i typed that
[03:36] <one_2_one> he dont have it
[03:36] <bigtony> question: when i type smb://<IP_ADDRESS> i can login with a blank user and blank password and have full access to my shares. how come i can't do the same when i do a smbmount //<IP_ADDRESS>/documents /home/bigtony/laptopdrive -o umask=000,rw,guest ? what am i don't wrong plz thanks
[03:36] <one_2_one> and im looking for an link to get it
[03:37] <nicktastic> ....
[03:38] <madsen> Woah! The Ubuntu Monthly Calendar is a drity trick! :) I'm already looking forward to next month - or maybe the next one again... Whichever features one of the gals. :)
[03:39] <one_2_one> baluba  know any link ?
[03:39] <madsen> bigtony: Uhm, you haven't allowed guest access?
[03:39] <bigtony> yes on my windows system guest is allowed
[03:40] <YokoZar> How do I downgrade to Warty?  Or reinstall all of xorg?
[03:40] <bigtony> i can read the drive with smb just fine and write to it and do whatever i want
[03:40] <madsen> bigtony: Hmm... Also to read/write?
[03:40] <bigtony> but i can't mount it with the same priv
[03:40] <madsen> bigtony: I mean as guest.
[03:40] <bigtony> i thought i did
[03:40] <madsen> bigtony: Hmm...
[03:40] <madsen> Hang on a sec...
[03:40] <bigtony> like i say smb://<IP_ADDRESS> will work just fine
[03:40] <bigtony> i can rwx
[03:41] <bigtony> but i can't mount it so i don't have to type smb all the time
[03:41] <madsen> bigtony: smb://... from where=
[03:41] <bigtony> from filebrowser
[03:42] <madsen> Hmm, can't you just browse the network and then right click on the shares and mount them? Unless you want it to happen automagically of course...
[03:42] <bigtony> ok well tell me this cause i'm new to this
[03:42] <bigtony> how do you browse the network?
[03:43] <bigtony> i thought you had to specify it
[03:43] <pridkett> I don't suppose anyone in here is using an IBM A31 laptop?  (other than myself)
[03:43] <runixd> whats your question
[03:43] <madsen> bigtony: I mount my shares with: smbmount //server/share /mount/point -o username=myUsername,password=myPassword
[03:43] <one_2_one> can i use an debian kernel source to ubuntu ?
[03:43] <runixd> duh
[03:43] <Childe> Help!
[03:43] <bigtony> yeah i understand madsen: but thats the thing its a guest share
[03:43] <bigtony> so it has no username or pass
[03:44] <madsen> bigtony: Just: Computer -> Network
[03:44] <Agrajag> bigtony: ""
[03:44] <Agrajag> that's your user and pass
[03:44] <Childe> GDM broken after upgraded to Hoary
[03:44] <madsen> Agrajag: That shouldn't be needed...
[03:44] <bigtony> oh
[03:44] <Agrajag> madsen: shoudn't, but it doesn't seem to be working for him without it
[03:44] <pridkett> for some reason that wireless on the computer (internal minipci prism2 that uses hermes driver) likes to conk out large transfers.  Specifically, it conks out a lot while printing.
[03:44] <bigtony> the read works fine
[03:44] <bigtony> the write is what the problem is
[03:44] <Agrajag> oh
[03:44] <madsen> Agrajag: Well, it _could_ be something else...
[03:45] <Agrajag> -o rw
[03:45] <Agrajag> -o rw
[03:45] <bigtony> i tried that
[03:45] <bigtony> doesn't do anything
[03:45] <Agrajag> really, hm
[03:45] <bigtony> again thats with smbmount now with smb://ip/share
[03:45] <bigtony> it works fine
[03:46] <bigtony> question when i make the dir say /home/bigtony/laptopdrive
[03:46] <madsen> bigtony: Do you know what that umask does or did you just stick it in there?
[03:46] <bigtony> do i have to chown it?
[03:46] <bigtony> i thought it did file access
[03:46] <bigtony> but i am still learning
[03:46] <madsen> bigtony: You have to have write-perms to it I guess, but I think it changes during mount.
[03:46] <bigtony> like 777
[03:46] <pridkett> i'm pretty sure that it's an issue with ubuntu installing the wrong driver to fix that.
[03:46] <madsen> bigtony: Yeah, it works on files you create... I don't use it in my mounts...
[03:47] <madsen> bigtony: Try to remove it, so we get the simplest situation possible.
[03:47] <bigtony> i was jus tgoing on what i was reading
[03:47] <bigtony> ok
[03:47] <mitochondyu> hi all need help
[03:47] <bigtony> i'm gonna unmount the drive and start over
[03:47] <madsen> mitochondyu: Who doesn't. :)
[03:47] <mitochondyu> does superkaramba works for gnome???
[03:47] <madsen> mitochondyu: What does the dependencies tell you?
[03:47] <ajmitch_> mitochondyu: use gdesklets
[03:48] <mitochondyu> oh ..i tryed gdesklets.is not as good
[03:48] <bigtony> ok umounted
[03:48] <mitochondyu> thanks anyways
[03:48] <ajmitch_> superkaramba would work but I guess it'd drag in a few kde dependencies
[03:48] <mitochondyu> really?
[03:48] <Childe> I need help!
[03:48] <bigtony> now do i need to do chmod -R rw on the /home/bigtony/laptopdrive dir i made?
[03:48] <Childe> My GDM does not work after I upgraded to Hoary!
[03:48] <madsen> mitochondyu: `apt-cache show superkaramba`
[03:49] <madsen> bigtony: I don't think the -R is needed when the share is umounted. :)
[03:49] <bigtony> just trying to get total access to that dir is all
[03:49] <madsen> just make sure you have full access on the mount point.
[03:49] <mitochondyu> thanks
[03:49] <bigtony> moint point being the ip/share dir?
[03:49] <mitochondyu> i go try now
[03:49] <madsen> bigtony: I know, but -R means recursive and there should only be the dir.
[03:50] <bigtony> ok
[03:50] <madsen> bigtony: No, the mount point in your local dir system.
[03:50] <bigtony> thats why i was doing the chmod
[03:50] <bigtony> i'm confused
[03:50] <madsen> bigtony: Just for getting it straight... Right now: "Mount point" = local dir to mount on; "share" = remote share to mount on "mount point". ;)
[03:51] <bigtony> ok fair enough
[03:51] <bigtony> mount point is /home/bigtony/laptopdrive
[03:51] <madsen> bigtony: Ok, make sure you have rwx on that.
[03:51] <bigtony> and i did a mkdir to that dir in normal user mode
[03:51] <bigtony> ok let me check
[03:51] <madsen> bigtony: Ok, then you have rwx on it.
[03:52] <bigtony> yeah
[03:52] <madsen> bigtony: now do `smbmount //server/share /home/bigtony/laptopdrive -o rw` No more, no less
[03:53] <madsen> bigtony: of course, replace //server/share with the actual values. :)
[03:53] <bigtony> ok i'm trying brb
[03:53] <bigtony> duh :p
[03:53] <bigtony> ok
[03:53] <baluba> night
[03:54] <madsen> bigtony: How's it working out?
[03:54] <bigtony> having a hang  up removing this dir
[03:54] <bigtony> hang on a sec
[03:54] <bigtony> cause i think i see what i did wrong
[03:54] <bigtony> i created the dir in root
[03:55] <mitochondyu> icaramba it works!~ ^^ thanks
[03:56] <Xamusk> can ubuntu live use a home dir in a partition in the HD
[03:57] <madsen> bigtony: What do you mean?
[03:57] <bigtony> i got it
[03:57] <bigtony> well i had created the dir as being root making root the owner
[03:57] <bigtony> i need bigtony to be the owner
[03:57] <bigtony> let me try now i think i got it
[03:58] <madsen> bigtony: Oh!  Everybody starts somewhere.  :) Don't worry. Really. :)
[04:01] <bigtony> i hear ya
[04:01] <bigtony> thanks
[04:01] <bigtony> one thing here is what i don't understand
[04:01] <bigtony> do i have to mount as root?
[04:01] <madsen> bigtony: That shouldn't be necessary.
[04:01] <bigtony> bigtony@bubbaslinuxbox:~/laptopdrive $ smbmount //<IP_ADDRESS>/documents /home/bigtony/laptopdrive -o rw
[04:01] <bigtony> Password:
[04:01] <bigtony> smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)
[04:01] <bigtony> smbmnt failed: 1
[04:02] <Childe> Does anyone ecountered the GDM bug after upgraded to Hoary?
[04:02] <alge> anyone cool with ubuntu sound, can't get gnome-sound-recorder to record anything
[04:03] <madsen> bigtony: Hmm, never heard that one before. :/
[04:03] <bigtony> now if i sudo it it gives me no error
[04:03] <bigtony> let me see if i have rw on it
[04:03] <madsen> bigtony: On my debian install I just mount as myself...
[04:04] <madsen> Childe: It doesn't appear so... I know it's frustrating, but perhaps you should try googling for it instead of wasting time asking here...
[04:04] <bigtony> with mount -t smbfs //<IP_ADDRESS> username=whatever password=whatever   in the fstab?
[04:04] <madsen> bigtony: Nope, I mount them when I need them.
[04:04] <Childe> madsen: OK. Thank you :-D
[04:04] <bigtony> ok
[04:04] <madsen> Childe: :)
[04:05] <gen> whats the "GDM" bug
[04:05] <madsen> bigtony: I created a bash-function in .bashrc that mounts them all...
[04:05] <madsen> bigtony: I just do smbmountall and is mounts all my shares from my file-server.
[04:05] <Childe> gen: After I upgraded to HoaryGDM can not start.
[04:06] <bigtony> sounds like a plan to me
[04:06] <madsen> bigtony: Do you have more shares?
[04:06] <bigtony> let me try the network mount thing cause this isn't working
[04:06] <bigtony> yeah i have 2
[04:06] <Childe> It just tell me that there is already a X server running on this display. But I think this X server is the one launched by GDM itself
[04:06] <madsen> bigtony: Well, mine kinda depends on "smbmount //server/share /mount/point"
[04:07] <bigtony> the dir still has a lock on it
[04:07] <bigtony> even after i created it in normal and it shows rwx on it
[04:07] <madsen> Childe: Have you tried "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" and then start it again?
[04:07] <bigtony> and it stills ays root is the owner
[04:07] <madsen> Childe: I mean, not just using 'restart'.
[04:07] <bigtony> :(
[04:07] <Childe> madsen: Yes I've tried that. But it still not work
[04:07] <madsen> bigtony: That's because root mounted it...
[04:08] <bigtony> oh when i did the sudo smbmount gotcha
[04:08] <madsen> Childe: does 'ps aux | grep gdm' give you anything when it's stopped?
[04:08] <Childe> madsen: No. I killed them all.
[04:08] <madsen> Childe: :(
[04:08] <alge> hey Childe: how bout ctrl-alt-backspace to kill the X-server
[04:08] <madsen> bigtony: Hmm...
[04:09] <Childe> alge: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace can not kill the X-server(strange, right?), I kill it using "kill -9"
[04:09] <bigtony> yeah thats what it was when i unmounted the lock went away
[04:09] <madsen> bigtony: Yup...
[04:09] <bigtony> but i seem to only be able to mount with sudo though
[04:09] <bigtony> aww i know why
[04:09] <madsen> bigtony: ?
[04:09] <bigtony> but this is strange
[04:10] <bigtony> correct me if i'm wrong
[04:10] <bigtony> linux doesn't like ntfs
[04:10] <bigtony> it can read it but can't write it
[04:10] <madsen> bigtony: Yup! That's it!
[04:10] <bigtony> but here is whats messed up
[04:10] <bigtony> smb:/<IP_ADDRESS>
[04:10] <bigtony> lets me write all day every day
[04:11] <Childe> Maybe I should examine GDM's init.d script?
[04:11] <madsen> bigtony: That sounds a little suspicious...
[04:11] <bigtony> cause i have already transfered tons of date to the laptop using that
[04:11] <madsen> bigtony: Hmm
[04:11] <Agrajag> bigtony: um
[04:11] <bigtony> i was just being lazy
[04:11] <madsen> Childe: Can't hurt, but I doubt it'll do any good.
[04:11] <bigtony> and got tired of doing smb://whatever
[04:11] <Agrajag> you mean an ntfs partition on another machine?
[04:11] <bigtony> yeah my laptop is a xp pro machine
[04:11] <madsen> bigtony: Still, you should be able to mount it via: Computer -> Networks
[04:12] <natex> Childe, if you want to kill X (i.e. drop to runlevel 3) try telinit 3
[04:12] <bigtony> i ahven't tried that method yet
[04:12] <Agrajag> bigtony: then it doesn't matter, linux isn't writing to ntfs
[04:12] <bigtony> let me try that now
[04:12] <bigtony> well something is
[04:12] <madsen> bigtony: I don't have a single win-install around to test it...
[04:12] <Agrajag> it's writing to smbfs, and the XP machine is writing to ntfs.
[04:12] <Childe> natex: Yeah. I'll try that.
[04:12] <bigtony> aww ok
[04:12] <Agrajag> machines using samba don't have to know the underlying filesystem on the other machine, they just speak SMB at each other
[04:12] <natex> ctrl alt back only restarts X on Ubuntu
[04:12] <Childe> madsen: I'll also to see if there is already a GDM update in the reposidory
[04:12] <bigtony> i see what your saying the smbfs is acting as an pass the buck kinda deal
[04:13] <Agrajag> yes
[04:13] <bigtony> ok
[04:13] <Agrajag> same with nfs
[04:13] <bigtony> so thats why smb works
[04:13] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) natex: it doesn't technically restart X
[04:13] <madsen> neat!
[04:13] <bigtony> interesting
[04:13] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) natex: it kills X, gdm detects that X has been killed and starts it again
[04:13] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) the *effect* is that X 'restarts' :)
[04:13] <bigtony> thanks
[04:13] <natex> HrdwrBoB: oh? i was under the impression that it was killed then restarts for "security" reasons
[04:13] <bratsche> Is anyone else having problems with panel applets like Trash or Mixer not starting correctly when the system restarts?
[04:14] <bigtony> so to be clear i can't mount it i must use smb://whatever
[04:14] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) natex: not really
[04:14] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) natex: ctrl+alt+F1 gets you to a console
[04:14] <Xamusk> can ubuntu live use a home dir in a partition in the HD
[04:14] <natex> HrdwrBoB: yes
[04:15] <natex> HrdwrBoB: so X isn't touched when ctrl+alt+back?
[04:15] <bigtony> madsen: how you get the computer>network thing to work? when i do it all it shows me is network:/// no workgroups or anything
[04:15] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: I can't see why you would not be able to mount it
[04:15] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) natex: no, X is instantly killed when you run ctrl+alt+backspace
[04:16] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) including all applications that are currently running within it
[04:16] <bigtony> i do wanna mount it
[04:16] <bigtony> but if i can't write to it cause of the nfts restrictions
[04:16] <bigtony> i guess i have to mount -t smbfs it?
[04:16] <bigtony> i haven't tried that
[04:17] <natex> HrdwrBoB: True, I guess I was mentioning the effect then ;)
[04:17] <madsen> bigtony: Doesn't it find your network after a little while?
[04:17] <bigtony> nope
[04:17] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) natex: yeah
[04:17] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) natex: it doesn't really matter, it's just nice to know
[04:17] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: think of it like this.. if you run an ftp server on windows, would you be able to write w/ that from a remote client?
[04:18] <bigtony> i see what your saying i'm just noticing its not working how i thought it should
[04:18] <natex> HrdwrBoB: of course.
[04:18] <bborkk> Seems like my system alarm sound has somehow been remapped to a full-screen flicker.  This happened after I installed mplayer.  Anyone else have this problem?
[04:19] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: //windows/share /mnt/windows/share smbfs3 users,noauto,password= 0 0
[04:20] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: there is one restriction. the mounting user has to own the mount point
[04:21] <bigtony> and put that in the fstab?
[04:21] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) yep
[04:21] <bigtony> ok will try that
[04:21] <bigtony> thanks
[04:22] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) replace windows w/ the remote host's ip or name
[04:22] <stuNNed> what packages do i need installed to mount windows shares?  just smbclient and libsmbclient or smblclient, smbfs and libsmbclient?
[04:23] <hcker2000> hey dose any one happen to know how to get dial up working ?
[04:23] <bigtony> ok so there is no way to do it manually with a mount -t command?
[04:23] <stuNNed> bigtony, mount -t smbfs ?
[04:23] <bigtony> i tried
[04:24] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: http://www.gnome-ppp.org
[04:24] <bigtony> but it keeps giving me the help menu
[04:24] <bigtony> i tried the following
[04:24] <natex> bigtony: smbmount
[04:24] <hcker2000> thanks agine GammaRay
[04:24] <bigtony> mount -t smbfs -o guest //<IP_ADDRESS> /home/bigtony/laptopdrive
[04:25] <hcker2000> its tar xv??
[04:26] <hcker2000> to extract
[04:26] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) tar xvzf
[04:26] <hcker2000> thanks
[04:26] <stuNNed> bigtony, , need to //<IP_ADDRESS>/share
[04:27] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: eXtract Verbose bZipped File-comes-next (-;
[04:27] <bigtony> aww i forgot the share
[04:27] <bigtony> let me try that
[04:27] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: eXtract Verbose gZipped File-comes-next I mean
[04:27] <madsen> bigtony: lol, if that's been the problem all along...
[04:27] <lonytynch> hey guys i ordered my ubuntu cds back at the beginning of october and never got them, any idea whats going on?
[04:27] <lonytynch> any willingness to mail me one of you guys' cds? :P
[04:28] <madsen> lonytynch: log into shipit.ubuntulinux.org and read...
[04:28] <bigtony> i don't think it has ben
[04:28] <madsen> lonytynch: I got mine friday
[04:28] <bigtony> cause i just started doing mount
[04:28] <bigtony> i swear after i learn linux i'll be a full fledge crack addict
[04:28] <bigtony> :)
[04:29] <natex> bigtony: if you have samba installed you can use smbmount
[04:29] <stuNNed> hcker2000, you may need to `gksu -u root /path/to/gnome-ppp`
[04:29] <bigtony> natex: i'm hearing you and thanks
[04:29] <madsen> bigtony: Did you ever try: smbmount //server/SHARE /mount/point -o rw ;)
[04:29] <bigtony> the thing is i have used smbmount and it doesn't work cause of the ntfs drive
[04:29] <Agrajag> stuNNed: more like gksudo
[04:29] <Agrajag> root is locked.
[04:29] <bigtony> yes i did
[04:30] <bigtony> and your right if you let it set for a while you see the network
[04:30] <madsen> bigtony: ok. Just curious. :)
[04:30] <hcker2000> stuNNed, thanks for the info
[04:30] <natex> bigtony: so the ntfs is a drive on the linux box?
[04:30] <hcker2000> GammaRay, i got it extracted now what do i need to do
[04:30] <bigtony> nope on a linux machine
[04:30] <bigtony> err
[04:30] <bigtony> on a windows machine
[04:30] <lonytynch> madsen: when did you order yours?
[04:30] <lonytynch> i ordered mine probably around october 5th or so
[04:30] <bborkk> What's the verdict on Hoary's stability on laptops?
[04:31] <one_2_one> http://one2one.no.sapo.pt/1.txt :| i dont have net on ubuntu .. where i can download ncurses-devel for ubuntu ?
[04:31] <madsen> lonytynch: The day after they opened up for the orders.
[04:31] <lonytynch> i'm just trying to get an approximation of when mine will come in
[04:31] <lonytynch> when was that?
[04:31] <bigtony> madsen: you mentioned something about finding the drive and then mounting it that way?
[04:31] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: it should fllow the same way as css did
[04:31] <madsen> lonytynch: I can't remember.
[04:31] <lonytynch> madsen: thanks
[04:31] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: ./configure && make && checkinstall
[04:31] <hcker2000> ok what was before the make command
[04:31] <bigtony> and its working just fine now
[04:31] <hcker2000> ok
[04:31] <hcker2000> thanks
[04:31] <bigtony> with the smbfs :)
[04:31] <bigtony> woo hoo
[04:31] <encryptio> bigtony: what up!
[04:31] <madsen> bigtony: Yeah, but it's manual... Find the share through Computer -> Networks and right-click on it... You'll get some options there iirc.
[04:31] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: then sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[04:31] <bigtony> fixing to start doing crack
[04:32] <jdub> one_2_one: libncurses5-dev -> when you need to find a 'devel' package, search for dev
[04:32] <bigtony> linux is racking my brain
[04:32] <bigtony> i get no options like that when i right click
[04:32] <hcker2000> angelina jolie
[04:32] <bigtony> i added it to the fstab so its all good
[04:32] <hcker2000> configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[04:32] <madsen> bigtony: Hmm... Hang on...
[04:32] <one_2_one> jdub  thks and exists any serv withs this packages?
[04:33] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: bring back angelina :-P
[04:33] <jdub> one_2_one: just install it with synaptic or aptitude or apt-get
[04:33] <hcker2000> lol yea thats what happens when u ctrl+c
[04:33] <one_2_one> jdub  ok :)
[04:34] <bigtony> madsen: its possible i don't have the iirc package installed
[04:34] <bigtony> i'm not overly worried about it now i'll rack my brain on that issue another day
[04:34] <bigtony> as long as the mount works is all i care
[04:34] <madsen> bigtony: iirc == "if I recall correct" :)
[04:34] <hcker2000> so any idea what be up with the error
[04:35] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: I think you need libxml-perl
[04:35] <madsen> bigtony: I can click "Connect to this server" in the right-click menu of a share.
[04:35] <bigtony> yeah i have to install it
[04:35] <bigtony> ill do that later thanks for your help
[04:35] <madsen> bigtony: Install what?
[04:35] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: or maybe.. libxml-parser-perl
[04:35] <bigtony> the iirc
[04:36] <madsen> bigtony: As I just said: iirc is an acronym for "if I recall correct", which is not a package but a figure of speech. :)
[04:36] <bigtony> oh
[04:36] <madsen> bigtony: :)
[04:37] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: so you arn't irc? you lied to me!
[04:37] <bigtony> thanks again
[04:37] <madsen> GammaRay: No, that would have been "I'm irc", not iirc. :)
[04:38] <hcker2000> checking for libgnomeui-2.0 >= 2.6.0 gtk+-2.0 >= 2.4.0  libglade-2.0 >= 2.4.0... Package libgnomeui-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[04:38] <hcker2000> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libgnomeui-2.0.pc'
[04:38] <hcker2000> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[04:38] <hcker2000> No package 'libgnomeui-2.0' found
[04:38] <madsen> GammaRay: But it's actually true... I AM irc... I transport all the irc-packages in the world by hand... (and feet!) And I'm pretty damn busy...
[04:39] <madsen> GammaRay: Busy because of the low-life's who spend all day and night on irc and giving me a workload of inhumane proportions.
[04:39] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: try apt-cache search libgnomeui
[04:40] <hcker2000> no 2.0 listed in there
[04:40] (BrittBS/#ubuntu) where do i put something i want to execute after x startup if i'm using gdm (so xinitrc is out), besides gnome session stuff
[04:41] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: you're looking for something ending in dev
[04:41] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: libgnomeui-dev - The GNOME 2 libraries (User Interface) - development files
[04:41] <hcker2000> libgnomeui-0 is installed
[04:41] <hcker2000> oh ok
[04:41] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: that's what you want
[04:41] <hcker2000> thats there
[04:41] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) there is no 2.0 cuz there is no 1.0 packaged
[04:42] <madsen> bigtony: If you right-click on a share, select "Connect to this server" and then type in a name for the share, then it'll create a shortcut on your desktop... Nice and convenient... :)
[04:42] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) everyone dropped gnome 1.x for 2.x
[04:42] <madsen> ... speaking of which...
[04:43] <bigtony> oh i see what i was doing wrong
[04:43] <one_2_one> jdub  dont have it :(
[04:43] <bigtony> i have to click on the actual drive duh
[04:43] <bigtony> haha
[04:43] <madsen> Anyone know if there's a Human theme/style for Gtk1.2?
[04:43] <stuNNed> bigtony, got it working?
[04:43] <Agrajag> madsen: just install industrial, it's the same thing
[04:43] <madsen> 'cause sylpheed-claws isn't gtk2 yet... (!)
[04:43] <bigtony> its working perfect with the mount that i did
[04:43] <bigtony> just trying to figure out what madsen is on about with the network browse
[04:43] <madsen> Agrajag: I know, but the marking is blue, not brown...
[04:44] <Agrajag> gtk-engines-industrial - Flat-looking GTK+ 1.x engine from Ximian
[04:44] <Xamusk> does anyone here have experience with the ubuntu live CD?
[04:44] <bigtony> he is forcing me to learn more when my brain is saying beer beer beer
[04:44] <bigtony> haha
[04:44] <madsen> Agrajag: Already got industrial... I know my gtk-themes. :)
[04:44] <Agrajag> madsen: well, it's the closest you'll get. If you really have to make it the same, start hacking at industrial and make it the same
[04:44] <madsen> bigtony: hehe, got it working console-wise or nautilus-wise?
[04:45] <hcker2000> ****  Installation failed.  That's what theme-devs are for...
[04:45] <bigtony> well not totaly understanding the question but i mounted it in the terminal
[04:45] <bigtony> and it list perfect in the gui
[04:45] <madsen> bigtony: Well, then don't worry about what I just said, 'cause that's the uncool way of doing it. :)
[04:45] <madsen> bigtony: nautilus is the filebrowser.
[04:45] <bigtony> ok didn't know
[04:46] <madsen> lol
[04:46] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: well that's no fun.. what steps did you follow?
[04:46] <madsen> that's probably the funniest quit-msg I've seen in a long time.
[04:46] <JStrike> jdub : How serious are you guys about using python for the bounties?
[04:46] <ajmitch_> why not python?
[04:46] <hcker2000> just said yes to the make defult documentation prompt
[04:47] <hcker2000> then error
[04:47] <JStrike> Because I dont use python? Good enought answer :-)
[04:47] <JStrike> Is C# not an option?
[04:47] <bigtony> madsen: not that im not workign i'm just in fixed it relax mode now
[04:47] <jdub> JStrike: we're doing all new development in python.
[04:47] <stuNNed> madsen, gtk-engines-industrial is the gtk1 theme of industrial, afik
[04:47] <one_2_one> where i can get libncurses5-dev (serv/link/ftp/somthing(i dont have net on linux now)) ?
[04:47] <stuNNed> afaik*
[04:47] <ajmitch_> a C# runtime would have to be part of the main system, ie either mono or dotgnu :)
[04:48] <buckminst> so once you've installed something like gtk-engines-industrial, how do you configure it to work? switch doesn't seem to want to do it.
[04:48] <JStrike> ajmitch_ : I think that it will happen sooner or later in any case
[04:48] <buckminst> and why are the fonts so huge for gtk1?
[04:48] <madsen> stuNNed: I know, I know. :)
[04:48] <ajmitch_> perhaps
[04:49] <madsen> buckminst: I made gtk-theme-switch do it...
[04:49] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: hold on.. I'm looking into it
[04:49] <hcker2000> ok
[04:49] <madsen> buckminst: It doesn't apply it to the theme-switcher, but it should work in other gtk1.2 apps.
[04:49] <carsonc> I had to symlink .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 to .gtkrc in order to get GTK+ 1.2 themes to work
[04:49] <ajmitch_> JStrike: I'm betting on mono being chosen if it does happen
[04:50] <JStrike> ajmitch_ : Of course
[04:50] <one_2_one> anyone can helpme ?
[04:50] <carsonc> gtk-theme-switch seems only to modify .gtkrc while GNOME2 is looking at .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2
[04:50] <ajmitch_> JStrike: of course? :)
[04:51] <JStrike> ajmitch_ : dotgnu is nowhere close mono
[04:52] <buckminst> madsen- it doesn't seem to be working.
[04:52] <JStrike> And they are using many of the Mono libraries for their functionality
[04:52] <madsen> buckminst: :(
[04:52] <ajmitch_> a number of them
[04:52] <JStrike> And all the (.Net) Gnome apps coming out are Mono based
[04:52] <buckminst> It's too bad I can't just emerge bluecurve like I could in Gentoo ^_^
[04:52] <buckminst> er... s/emerge/apt-get install/
[04:52] <ajmitch_> mono-based because they use gtk#/gnome#, which works on both
[04:52] <jdub> buckminst: gtk2-engines-wonderland
[04:53] <JStrike> ajmitch_ : Of course. That is the point with .Net assemblies.
[04:53] <buckminst> jdub- I was more interested in the fact that bluecurve works with both gtk1 and gtk2.
[04:53] <ajmitch_> I've got to get it to a stage where you can choose pnet or mono & the packages work equally
[04:53] <JStrike> But my point is that all the development is going into mono, not dotgnu
[04:54] <jdub> buckminst: mmm, no gtk1 version of bluecurve in universe, it seems.
[04:54] <JStrike> ajmitch_ : They dont even have a decent JIT as far as I know
[04:55] <buckminst> There seems to be a rather extensive lack of gtk1 themes i've noticed. *sigh*
[04:55] <ajmitch_> JStrike: work-in-progress, the engine uses a partial JIT for now
[04:55] <buckminst> Someone needs to hack XMMS to use gtk2... >.>
[04:55] <ajmitch_> bubulle_: beep-media-player :)
[04:55] <ajmitch_> oops, buckminst
[04:55] <madsen> buckminst: add sylpheed-claws to that list.
[04:56] <buckminst> s/chaning/changing >.>
[04:57] <JStrike> Bugger. Busy doing a bittorrent downloader and was interested in the Ubuntu bounty related to it
[04:57] <JStrike> Well, half the bounty would have to go to mass
[04:57] <hcker2000> GammaRay, ill be afk for a little bit so just drop me a pm
[04:57] <mass> JStrike: ?
[04:57] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: ok
[04:58] <mass> JStrike: if I could get money for it, I'd have something working tomorrow ;-)
[04:58] <madsen> buckminst: I thought there weren't no stable/testing/unstable thingy in Ubuntu.
[04:58] <madsen> <- has to do his research better before installing a new distro.
[04:58] <JStrike> mass : Bah. It seems all Ubuntu bounties must be done in Python
[04:59] <buckminst> If there isn't, I sure wish there was... because I really am put off by the fact that 4.10 doesn't have Firefox 1.0, or XChat 2.4.0... or Gaim 1.0.3...
[04:59] <jdub> buckminst: there are releases every six months.
[04:59] <ajmitch_> buckminst: it's hard for distros to keep right up to the very latest :)
[04:59] <madsen> buckminst: Well, I miss Firefox 1.0... But it's not in debian unstable yet afaik.
[04:59] <mass> JStrike: even easier - I'll have a python bittorrent client in.. ok, done!
[04:59] <mass> ;-)
[04:59] <jdub> buckminst: the development branch is updated constantly at the moment.
[04:59] <buckminst> Gentoo does quite well, ajmitch_ XD
[04:59] <jdub> buckminst: the stable release is not (thus, "stable")
[04:59] <ajmitch_> gentoo is a special case for those that like it raw & bloody
[05:00] <buckminst> jdub: Hehe. I am tempted to see if I can switch to the devel branch ^_^
[05:00] <JStrike> mass : heh
[05:00] <buckminst> ajmitch_: add 'current' to that list of adjectives ^_^
[05:00] <lonytynch> hey guys i haven't been back to linux since FC2 this past summer, how's GAIM with direct connections in the AIM module now?
[05:00] <mass> gentoo is proof that when you have a compiler, everything looks like you could use source code to create a hammer to hit it with
[05:00] <lonytynch> i haven't played with it in forever and last time i did it was terrible
[05:00] <JStrike> Detecting sabdfl's hand in the Python requirement. His old bounties are pretty similar to the Ubuntu ones.
[05:01] <JStrike> Only fair I suppose. It is his money :-)
[05:01] <buckminst> So far, I'm very pleased with Ubuntu, but I'm back to the feeling of major annoyance that I had with Debian/Redhat/etc in that all of my applications will be outdated for months.
[05:01] <madsen> Hmm is Warty ~= "debian stable" and hoary ~= "debian unstable"?
[05:02] <JStrike> buckminst : That will be the same with Ubuntu. It works off the same 6 month cycle as FC
[05:02] <madsen> buckminst: Luckilly, I've still got my old debian unstable partition. :)
[05:03] <ajmitch_> buckminst: 6 months really isn't that bad
[05:03] <Xamusk> my debian unstable is quite updated
[05:03] <buckminst> madsen: well, I wiped my Gentoo install to try Ubuntu... but at the very least, I'll have an excuse to redo Gentoo with all 2.6 and NPTL ^_^
[05:03] <madsen> ajmitch_: It's a hell of a long time to wait for Firefox 1
[05:03] <madsen> buckminst: hehe
[05:03] <ajmitch_> madsen: is 0.9.3 that bad to use?
[05:03] <JStrike> Except that the Ubuntu cycle is very closely linked to the Gnome cycle, so you Gnome goodness first with Ubuntu
[05:03] <Agrajag> why wait? go to mozilla.org and download it
[05:03] <madsen> buckminst: I was only willing to sacrifice a winxp installation, which I never used anyways.
[05:03] <ajmitch_> or is it the magical 1.0 number? :)
[05:04] <madsen> ajmitch_: I miss my Live Bookmarks...
[05:04] <ajmitch_> I admittedly use sid on most of my computers
[05:04] <madsen> ajmitch_: 0.9.3 isn't bad, it's just not as great as 1.0
[05:04] <buckminst> JStrike: unless, of course... Gnome isn't your favorite ^_^
[05:04] <s0cks> How is hoarty comin along? Is it getting less buggy?
[05:04] <jdub> s0cks: one month into development, with no freezes in sight?
[05:05] <s0cks> How much of it is old code?
[05:05] <jdub> old code?
[05:05] <s0cks> code extracted from the previous release
[05:05] <jdub> it's a branch of debian sid
[05:05] <JStrike> buckminst : Of course. But then you would be using Linspire, etc instead
[05:05] <jdub> madsen: not really.
[05:06] <jdub> warty == stable, hoary == development branch
[05:06] <jdub> hoary is currently synced against sid
[05:06] <runixd> warty is not stable
[05:06] <runixd> hoary is not unstable
[05:06] <jdub> warty is released and stable
[05:06] <madsen> jdub: So the latest (and greatest?) app-versions is in hoary, or...?
[05:06] <runixd> yeah stable
[05:06] <s0cks> hoary is buggier than warty
[05:06] <jdub> hoary is a development branch, and therefore unstable
[05:07] <jdub> s0cks: it's a *development branch*
[05:07] <runixd> but they can't be compared to debian branches
[05:07] <s0cks> jdub : I KNOW!
[05:07] <s0cks> jdub : It has 5 months to come along.
[05:07] <jdub> madsen: yes
[05:07] <s0cks> jdub : With luck, it will be released on time.
[05:07] <jdub> s0cks: it will be released on time.
[05:07] <ajmitch_> luck has nothing to do with it..
[05:08] <s0cks> jdub : Anything is possible
[05:08] <madsen> jdub: And can I just to a s/warty/hoary/ in my /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade  and everything will be unstable bliss?
[05:08] <s0cks> ajmitch_ : I disagree to a certain extent
[05:08] <jdub> madsen: if you think you can handle it.
[05:08] <madsen> jdub: Well, is it more or less unstable than debian sid?
[05:08] <jdz_> madsen: throw an apt-get dist-upgrade in there :)
[05:08] <madsen> jdz_: Good idea. ;)
[05:09] <jdub> madsen: it is a branch of debian sid, synced regularly, with our changes.
[05:09] <madsen> jdub: So it's pretty much about the same?
[05:09] <jdz_> madsen: I did exactly that last Friday, and everything still works :D  I'm very imeressed.
[05:09] <madsen> jdz_: Hmm, sounds like something for my laptop to do while I'm sleeping. :)
[05:09] <s0cks> jdub : Exactly when can we expect it to be entirely stable? A week before release?
[05:10] <s0cks> jdub : How much beta testing will go into it once the finished product is settled up, before release
[05:10] <jdub> s0cks: the preview release is in march, and final in april.
[05:10] <jdub> s0cks: six months.
[05:10] <jdz_> s0cks: If you want something Stable, use Warty, until Hoary is released.
[05:10] <jdub> s0cks: stable means unchanging, not robust.
[05:10] <YokoZar> Ok, I've got a completely hosed ubuntu system right now.  The login screen goes black and the keyboard freezes after the NVIDIA logo and the login sound.  It happened after latest dist-upgrade, where the xorg packages were installed.
[05:10] <jdub> s0cks: it will be stable in april.
[05:10] <jdz_> s0cks: Hoary is in development, it shouldn't be expected to be stable *until* it's released
[05:10] <s0cks> jdub : Yes, but a large portion of that goes to coding?
[05:10] <madsen> jdub: I've been running sid for a couple of years now with ~0 problems.
[05:11] <buckminst> So will Hoary be using XOrg 6.8?
[05:11] <jdub> buckminst: it does already.
[05:11] <s0cks> jdz_ : Point taken.
[05:11] <buckminst> Whee!
[05:11] <ajmitch_> madsen: there are always a few sid issues that come up :)
[05:11] <s0cks> jdz_: Is it to much to ask for it to be 95 percent reliable at the preview?
[05:11] <buckminst> Now, I'd thought that Warty was using XFree 4.3.99, but why do the package versions say 4.3.0?
[05:11] <madsen> jdub: With alpha-blending and drop-shadows and all?
[05:11] <jdz_> madsen: I find Hoary is very similar to Debian-Sid, but with all the Ubuntu-Goodness thrown in *grins*
[05:11] <jdub> s0cks: it's dogfoodable now.
[05:11] <s0cks> jdz_: Mozilla Firefox is less stable than at the preview
[05:11] <madsen> ajmitch_: I think I've had 2 or so.
[05:12] <YokoZar> Could my problem be a packages thing, or a drivers thing, or what?  I've been reinstalling packages for a couple hours and am quite stumped at themoment.  I even tried switching back to XServer-Xfree86 - same problem.
[05:12] <jdub> madsen: that's done by other software, not X.
[05:12] <jdz_> s0cks: Sure, but it shouldn't be used on production servers until it's released :P
[05:12] <ajmitch_> madsen: usually it'd be something related to glibc or other bad but temporary breakages
[05:12] <s0cks> jdz_: I don't think anyone in a life-saving capacity will be using the preview :P
[05:12] <ajmitch_> I haven't had to reinstall yet, so it hasn't been too bad
[05:12] <madsen> ajmitch_: Hmm, I had a gnome issue once, but that's all I remember...
[05:12] <YokoZar> glibc has a tendency to break everything.  Mainly it's because glibc doesn't make regular releases...working with the wine project has helped me learn how bad this is ;)
[05:13] <madsen> Actually, I just installed this sucker today, so why not try to bring it up2date...
[05:13] <jdz_> jdub: btw:  awsome work man.  I see you in here answering questions all the time :D
[05:13] <s0cks> jdz_: How much of this release will be focused on fixing the installer towards a graphical and making the partitioning easier?
[05:13] <PorscheBoy> damn...how come some of the flash games are so choppy and messed up under linux?
[05:13] <madsen> So, just s/warty/hoary/ in the /etc/apt/sources.list and than update/dist-upgrade? Nothing else?
[05:14] <buckminst> madsen- other than early risk of heart attacks... XD
[05:14] <jdz_> s0cks: I don't think there's much, if any focus on a graphical installer..
[05:14] <jdub> s0cks: unlikely that we'll have a gui installer for this release.
[05:14] <YokoZar> Yeah the Ubuntu developers are really awesome.  I even had one fix a huge problem related to the kernel patches for me last time I was in here, heh.  Now I've got an X problem :)
[05:14] <s0cks> jdz_, jdub : Can we expect it in the next release after hoary?
[05:14] <jdz_> madsen: One more thing: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locals', and convert to utf8 :D
[05:14] <madsen> buckminst: Hehe, after sid'ing for 2 years and Gentoo'ing some before that I think can handle it. ;)
[05:14] <jdub> s0cks: no plans.
[05:14] <madsen> jdub: ?
[05:14] <s0cks> jdub : Someone needs to do it.
[05:15] <carsonc> Why?  What's the focus on GUI installs?
[05:15] <ajmitch_> s0cks: why does it have to be graphical?
[05:15] <s0cks> carsonc : Makes it easier and prettier.
[05:15] <YokoZar> umm I don't have package "locals" is that a problem?
[05:15] <carsonc> They don't make things easier--hell, a full WindowsXP install isn't GUIfied
[05:15] <jdub> s0cks: there are no plans for the release after hoary at this stage.
[05:15] <s0cks> carsonc : Point taken.
[05:15] <s0cks> carsonc : People are always bitchin about that though.
[05:15] <ajmitch_> people like eyecandy
[05:16] <s0cks> jdub : Indeed. Take it one step at a time.
[05:16] <madsen> jdub: Why would I want to reconfigure locals to utf8
[05:16] <jdz_> YokoZar: 'locales', pardon my misspelling
[05:16] <s0cks> ajmitch_: People like to show stuff of to other people.
[05:16] <madsen> jdz_: --^ The one directed at jdub.
[05:16] <s0cks> ajmitch_: Which hince why we don't have a graphical installer.
[05:16] <madsen> jdub: That last one was meant for jdz_ :)
[05:17] <s0cks> corsonc: The Windows XP partitioner isn't easy either. (I fly through partitions, I am the partition king.)
[05:18] <YokoZar> jdz_: ok fixed that, but will that - what exactly will that do?
[05:18] <buckminst> I despise the fact that FC removed the commandline fdisk option. fdisk and cfdisk are _the_ fastest ways to partition =)
[05:18] <madsen> buckminst: hear, hear! :)
[05:19] <PorscheBoy> are there any linux distros with good support for flash?
[05:19] <s0cks> buckminst : People in my CET class don't even know what fdisk is.
[05:19] <madsen> buckminst: Even though I haven't used any RH-thing since RH 7.2
[05:19] <madsen> s0cks: That doesn't mean it shouldn't be available for people who DO know what it is.
[05:19] <s0cks> madsen : Indeed.
[05:19] <madsen> PorscheBoy: It's pretty much the same all around I think.
[05:19] <s0cks> madsen : I love them.
[05:20] <s0cks> afk for a bit, working on my server.
[05:20] <JStrike> PorscheBoy : NLD is good. But what is wrong with Ubuntu?
[05:20] <madsen> s0cks: the people or *fdisk? ;)
[05:20] <PorscheBoy> madsen: is that right?
[05:20] <s0cks> madsen : _FDISK_. The people suck.
[05:20] <madsen> PorscheBoy: It's now a _fact_, I just drew the logical conclusion...
[05:20] <madsen> s0cks: Yeah, people suck in general...
[05:20] <PorscheBoy> madsen: alright
[05:21] <YokoZar> Hmm, I can't figure out a way to email the ubuntu-users lists in single user mode
[05:21] <madsen> PorscheBoy: Sorry, not "_now_", I mean, "_not_". :)
[05:21] <madsen> YokoZar: Btw, you had the problem with using more logins in single user mode, right?
[05:21] <PorscheBoy> hopefully in the future they will have a better and stable flash plug-in
[05:21] <mass> is there a web interface for browsing universe?
[05:22] <madsen> PorscheBoy: I think that ShockWave is responsible for the plugin.
[05:22] <JStrike> Really. Haven't had any problems myself with flash.
[05:22] <natex> mass: Synaptic is ok no?
[05:22] <PorscheBoy> madsen, u mean macromedia?
[05:22] <s0cks> Shoot. I am missing alot of ram.
[05:22] <YokoZar> madsen: Yeah, I'm running screen now for that.  That problem was just so I could try and treat the bigger problem of not being able to get to the login screen :)
[05:22] <madsen> PorscheBoy: Yeah. Sorry... I'm not really into flash.
[05:23] <madsen> YokoZar: I was about to suggest 'screen'. :)
[05:23] <PorscheBoy> madsen, that's cool
[05:23] <mass> natex: I was thinking more like packages.debian.org
[05:23] <mass> :)
[05:23] <madsen> PorscheBoy: :)
[05:23] <YokoZar> I thought flash was Macromedia
[05:23] <jdub> madsen: not atm
[05:24] <madsen> Well, I better get to bed and make the upgrade from Warty to Hoary. :)
[05:24] <madsen> jdub: What? Flash?
[05:24] <PorscheBoy> YokoZar, flash is made by macromedia
[05:24] <YokoZar> PorscheBoy: and so is shockwave, right?
[05:24] <PorscheBoy> YokoZar, true
[05:25] <mass> hmm yucky
[05:25] <PorscheBoy> reason i want flash is most of the nice looking sites use flash
[05:25] <buckminst> Well. this is remarkably confusing.
[05:25] <buckminst> http://nub.wakachan.net/b/src/1100815615201.jpg
[05:25] <buckminst> er.
[05:25] <buckminst> not that.
[05:25] <madsen> PorscheBoy: Uh, careful now... I think that's a matter of taste. :)
[05:26] <buckminst> Setting up samba (3.0.7-1ubuntu6.2) ...
[05:26] <buckminst> Generating /etc/default/samba...
[05:26] <buckminst> Can't sampwent!
[05:26] <buckminst> dpkg: error processing samba (--configure):
[05:26] <buckminst>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:26] <PorscheBoy> madsen, true
[05:26] <buckminst> that.
[05:26] <jdub> madsen: no packages.debian.org style interface
[05:26] <buckminst> What the heck is "sampwent"?
[05:26] <madsen> jdub: Was I talking about that? (?)
[05:27] <madsen> Hmm, warty-security should be replaced by hoary-security in sources.list, or... ?
[05:31] <madsen> nm, thought of looking in the wiki. :)
[05:34] <madsen> Well, updateing to hoary with utf8. :) See you later folks and sleep tight all!
[05:44] <thully> how are the kernel packages built for Ubuntu?  I know that they are built so that headers is sufficient to build drivers, and I want to build my own headers package in this way.
[05:46] <carsonc> Er, doesn't make-kpkg have a headers target?
[05:46] <thully> yes - that's whay I've been using
[05:47] <carsonc> So I assume that's no longer working for you, since you asked
[05:47] <thully> The package I get can't be used to build HSF drivers without source installed ( in this situation I want to build headers packages that don't need the kernel source to work w/these drivers)
[05:58] <mike_> im getting tired of kde.. any reccomendations of what to switch to ?
[05:58] <hcker2000> flux box
[05:58] <farruinn> afterstep is fun =)
[05:59] <pixelmonkey> mike_: gnome with xfwm4 ;)
[06:00] <JStrike> Mike : Well, you are running Ubuntu. They pay a lot of gnome hackers to make an awsome desktop for you
[06:00] <JStrike> oops
[06:00] <JStrike> That was meant for mike_
[06:01] <alka_trash> ubuntu is the sh!t
[06:01] <alka_trash> that's means it's good
[06:01] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, yep, good way of putting it
[06:04] <hcker2000> any one know if ubuntu has modem suport for a powerbook g4?
[06:04] <pixelmonkey> mike_: if you dont like Gnome, I'd recommend XFCE
[06:04] <JStrike> or rather, Ubuntu does pay Gnome hackers, they *are* gnome hackers (Well, many of them at least)
[06:05] <pixelmonkey> mike_: it's lightweight, it's fast, it's still GTK2-based, and the latest beta (4.2 RC1) is really quite nice (debs available which work *unsupported* on Ubuntu)
[06:08] <s0cks> I feel like hacking out a script to auto-away aim.
[06:08] <s0cks> oops
[06:08] <s0cks> wrong channek
[06:08] <s0cks> l*
[06:09] <pixelmonkey> s0cks, uh, that exists
[06:09] <pixelmonkey> s0cks, so you don't need to write a script anyway
[06:09] <s0cks> Where?
[06:09] <pixelmonkey> in gaim?
[06:09] <s0cks> isn't it mad buggy?
[06:10] <pixelmonkey> s0cks, uhm... if by buggy you mean it sets an away message after you go idle for n minutes
[06:10] <s0cks> lol
[06:10] <farruinn> s0cks, used to be maybe, but definitely not now
[06:10] <JStrike> Bloody gaim. Cant wait untill Gossip has client side multi-protocol support so I can get rid of the uncooperative piece of sh1t
[06:11] <mass> JStrike: is gossip going to ever have client side multi-protocol support?
[06:11] <jdub> mass: yes, it will.
[06:11] <JStrike> mass : Yep. They are busy with it. Using libgaim
[06:11] <pixelmonkey> gossip?
[06:11] <mass> lol
[06:11] <JStrike> And jdub has been on the gossip lists :-)
[06:11] <pixelmonkey> is that a GTK app?
[06:11] <mass> so what is it exactly you are trying to get away from, jstrike?
[06:12] <JStrike> mass : They are not gnome friendly.
[06:12] <s0cks> Gaim doesn't support buddyprofile.com
[06:12] <JStrike> They have rejected gnomemeeting intergration
[06:12] <JStrike> Which the immedio is happy about for gosssip
[06:13] <mass> I have a friend who worked on gossip a while ago
[06:13] <mass> kdough :)
[06:13] <JStrike> Which makes me very happy. It will mean something similar to Skype for Gnome
[06:14] <mass> eh? how is that?
[06:14] <mass> skype isn't cool because you can chat through it, its cool because it can work even if both parties are behind firewalls :)
[06:15] <JStrike> We just need to get chipX86 onboard gossip
[06:15] <JStrike> mass : Nah. It is because it is really easy to use.
[06:15] <JStrike> Trust me. Most people are not running firewalls, unless using it from the office
[06:15] <mass> JStrike: I do not know a single person (personally) who is not behind a NAT at home
[06:16] <JStrike> But that is nevertheless a cool feature
[06:16] <JStrike> mass : Know you know one
[06:16] <mass> :)
[06:16] <mass> this is probably because you are not running windows :)
[06:16] <JStrike> Fair enough :-)
[06:16] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) mass: I know a few
[06:16] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) but not many
[06:16] <mass> running windows on the open internet is kinda like walking across busy intersections at night in black camo
[06:17] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) mass: s/intersection/freeway/
[06:18] <hcker2000> it would be so nice if apple would release information to linux distributions so modems would freaking work
[06:18] <JStrike> I haven't used windows in a good many years, but I never had any issues with it. It never crashed. Ever. I also never got a virus. Ever
[06:19] <PorscheBoy> anyone knows a good file archiving app?
[06:19] <JStrike> File-Roller
[06:19] <gen> definitely file roller
[06:19] <Rene_S> Winzip
[06:19] <mass> JStrike: you haven't used it in a good many years, thats why
[06:19] <PorscheBoy> i hate the one that came with gnome
[06:19] <JStrike> It should come with Ubuntu
[06:20] <PorscheBoy> it's slow and u can't drag-n-drop
[06:20] <JStrike> Yes you can
[06:20] <farruinn> why not just use gzip?
[06:20] <PorscheBoy> winzip and winrar r the best ones on windows but what about linux?
[06:21] <PorscheBoy> i need one with gui not text-based
[06:21] <Rene_S> I just use the one in KDE so I dunno what would be good in Gnome, the Fileroller one has always worked for me in the past
[06:22] <PorscheBoy> fileroller is fine but it has some bugs
[06:23] <gen> such as
[06:23] <PorscheBoy> for example, i can't drag the files out of fileroller window
[06:23] <gen> who says thats a bug?
[06:23] <JStrike> And uncompress them?
[06:23] <JStrike> Or to remove them?
[06:24] <PorscheBoy> gen, just drag a file out of fileroller window and see if it works...i know of course it works if u click on extract button
[06:25] <JStrike> You can extract via drag and drop. I know that for a fact
[06:25] <gen> works for me porsche
[06:25] <PorscheBoy> sometimes u just have to admit the truth man...fileroller sucks compared to winRAR
[06:25] <Rene_S> Can anyone explain Anti-aliasing in english ?  I can never find a explanation that I can understand.
[06:25] <JStrike> PorscheBoy : Dude, sometimes you have to admit you are talking rubbish
[06:26] <eruin> what could "./configure: line 1318: syntax error near unexpected token `config.h'" mean when running configure on a source? (I've built from the exact same source on fedora)
[06:26] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) Rene_S: http://www.widearea.co.uk/designer/anti.html
[06:26] <farruinn> PorscheBoy, well, since winRAR cannot be used with Ubuntu I think that's irrelevant to this channel's discussion
[06:26] <Rene_S> HrdwrBoB: oh cool pictures, that helps thanks
[06:26] <gen> rese_s:  A technique that smooths the roughness in images or sound caused by aliasing. During frequency sampling, aliasing generates a false (alias) frequency along with the correct one. With images this produces a stair-step effect. Anti-aliasing corrects this by adjusting pixel positions or setting pixel intensities so that there is a more gradual transition between pixels.
[06:26] <gen> rene*
[06:26] <PorscheBoy> JStrike i know exactly what i'm talking about
[06:26] <pixelmonkey> Rene_S: when fonts have "jaggies", they are not anti-aliased.  When fonts look "smooth" they are.  To discover what makes a font have "jaggies" or be smooth, simply take a screenshot of your desktop and zoom in with the gimp.
[06:27] <PorscheBoy> i know that most of u guys r using firefox, right?
[06:27] <gen> correct
[06:27] <gen> can you stop with the "u" and "r" please, it makes baby jesus cry
[06:27] <PorscheBoy> ok...go to www.yahoo.com and see if it displays the page correctly
[06:27] <pixelmonkey> Speaking of, why in God's name doesn't Ubuntu have Galeon in Universe?
[06:27] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: I don't understand why there are single letters in your incomplete sentence
[06:28] <eruin> PorscheBoy, yeah
[06:28] <gen> porscheboy: works fine
[06:28] <pixelmonkey> I don't mind compiling from CVS, but this little pixelmonkey thinks Galeon is the best browser on earth.