[02:36] <basenji> If we translate as we do, a word comes apon us than does not translate to words in the translated language, leave it as acknowledged in the English language.  . True or False ??


[01:16] <drocsid> [#ubuntu] when I remove a package file, I notice that it leaves behind some of the configuration. What if I want to com
[01:17] <drocsid>  when I remove a package file, I notice that it leaves behind some of the configuration. What if I want to completly remove the package and config files. I'm asking because I tried removing them manually, but now when I reinstall the packate, dpkg is not installing the init scripts included with the package.
[01:30] <mbeacom> Hello everyone!  Would anyone happen to know why, after resizing my ubuntu server 14.04.2 ext4 partition from 50 GB to 100 GB using fdisk and then resize2fs to expand the FS... The FS states it is expanded, but the free space doesn't reflect the change.  Any thoughts?
[03:07] <sarnold> drocsid: use apt-get purge or dpkg --purge, not dpkg --remove, if you want the config files to be deleted too
[03:45] <dupingping> The awesome software is published, You can use the trial version of Sticky Notes.
[03:45] <dupingping> http://korsoftware.com
[05:54] <ArifWW> Hi all, is all server listed on http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/server/models/?release=14.04%20LTS&vendors=HP tested for ubuntu openstack ?
[06:46] <jak2000> hi all, anyone here copied from an IPAD Photos/Videos to the Hard Disk? how to?
[07:56] <jamespag`> morning all
[07:59] <trippeh> whoops, openssl update with stronger minimum DH size requirement broke mariadb ssl connections here
[08:01] <trippeh> upgrading the db servers too fixed it
[08:02] <trippeh> only clients were patched ;)
[08:35] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:37] <rbasak> teward: draft email to release team: http://pad.ubuntu.com/nginx-1-9
[09:37] <rbasak> teward: please can you review and check for accuracy?
[09:37] <rbasak> teward: I wrote it directly from my understanding so it could be wrong.
[12:19] <willemgf> Hi, We hava a problem with configuring the use of jumbo-frame on a bridge. We use 2 10GB interfaces which comes up well with MTU 9000. Those 2 interfaces are used within a bond that also comes up well with MTU 9000, as well the vlan-tagged bond interfaces. But the bridge, linked to a vlan-tagged bond interface is not always available with MTU 9000 after boot. Any help is welcome to get this fixed permanently.
[12:24] <OpenTokix> willemgf:Don't use jumbo frames
[12:24] <OpenTokix> they add nothing
[12:24] <OpenTokix> unless you have _very_ long round trips
[12:24] <OpenTokix> 300ms+
[12:24] <OpenTokix> For a LAN - jumbo frames add nothing
[12:29] <willemgf> OpenTokix: Hmmm, we configured it, in advice, for our cloud-environment for the connection to our Ceph-storage.
[12:29] <willemgf>  Any good document on the net available that confirms it has no added value?
[12:30] <OpenTokix> willemgf: There is a common misconception that it will be better.
[12:30] <OpenTokix> In theory it will be - but in practise - generally no
[12:30] <OpenTokix> why? - since the networking hardware is _super_ optimized for a MTU of 1500
[12:30] <lordievader> Does the rfc specify an intended usage?
[12:31] <lordievader> Transatlantic links or something?
[12:31] <OpenTokix> willemgf: did some execcive labratory testing on various workloads with and without jumbo frames. - And it adds nothing, more then head ache
[12:31] <willemgf> Is there any technical documentation that
[12:32] <willemgf> describes this behavior
[12:32] <OpenTokix> willemgf: I am guessing the Ceph-dudes used some guess work when they advice it. - Much like Datastax does, and variouys other modern cloud/big-data people.
[12:32] <OpenTokix> willemgf: Used server grate 10G hardware, various vendors + fluke traffic generators
[12:33] <OpenTokix> saw _no_ increase thru put with jumbo frames, in many different configurations
[12:33] <trippeh_> you may want a slightly-bigger-than-1500 mtu if you run a overlay network on top, so you can run 1500b mtu on the inner network.
[12:34] <willemgf> OpenTokix: OK, thnx. Will discus this internally. If necessary I will check on the ceph-channel as well.
[12:35] <OpenTokix> willemgf: Any vendor I have talked to about this, have _nothing_ to back it up. More then it "should" be better. - but in reality, it makes no difference.
[13:26] <jamespage> zul, coreycb: semantic versioning here we come :-)
[13:27] <zul> nova being called 8.0.0 now? :)
[13:28] <jamespage> 12.0.0
[13:29] <coreycb> epoch++ :)
[13:50] <zul> jamespage: *sigh*
[15:42] <teward> rbasak: checking now (sorry for delay)
[15:44] <teward> rbasak: looks good except the minor revisions I made in the pad, please review
[16:10] <coreycb> zul, jamespage: the icehouse stable release is ready for review if one of you can take a look and sponsor me - bug 1467533 (mp's are in the bug)
[16:10] <coreycb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova/+bug/1467533
[16:14] <zul> coreycb: ill take a look this afternoon
[17:13] <teward> so, just a question, is there a reason https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting hasn't been updated?
[22:25] <keithzg> Has anyone migrated from Fogbugz (the self-hosted version, not the online one) to another bugtracker? I'm rather hoping our company can migrate to something non-proprietary but the best I can find is a Perl script for Fogbugz->Bugzilla circa 2006...
[22:26] <keithzg> Relatedly, how much of a pain is it to run one's own instance of Launchpad? I kindof prefer it to Bugzilla, but it seems like it'd be very simple to set up an instance of Bugzilla, while conversely I've yet to find simple instructions for setting up a Launchpad instance and there aren't any packages in the repos unless I'm blind.
[22:30] <sarnold> keithzg: I've gotten the impression that launchpad is a one-instance program..
[22:30] <sarnold> keithzg: hopefully helpful https://dev.launchpad.net/
[22:32] <keithzg> sarnold: Yeah, that site is part of why I asked here, heh, since nowhere does it say anything about running your own instance. Alas. I was hoping to aim for that, since I like the look and functionality more than Bugzilla (although it's gotten better over the years) and I'm far more comfortable with Python and Javascript than I am with Perl.
[22:33] <keithzg> I see https://dev.launchpad.net/Running for setting it up for oneself, but I was curious if anyone had any experience actually doing so.
[22:33] <keithzg> Err, I know my setences contradicted themselves there; long day at work :P
[22:34] <sarnold> keithzg: there's a #launchpad that mght be more useful
[22:34] <keithzg> I think I meant "doesn't say anything about running your own instance after installation"
[22:34] <keithzg> sarnold: Ah, didn't know that existed, yeah I'll give that a shot, thanks.
[22:35] <keithzg> Still wondering though if anyone out there has migrated from Fogbugz to any Free Software bug tracker, since I'd love not to have to invent the wheel, heh.
[23:16]  * ianorlin wonders if a juju charm to dpeloy  one's own version of launchpad would be a waste of time to make


[19:39] <giulia> hello
[22:53] <charlie-tca> Time to apply for UDS-P in Orlando - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/07/15/ubuntu-developer-summit-sponsorship-now-open-2/


[01:10] <guiverc> Firefox is no longer on the shortcuts by default (jammy) .... NOTE kc2bez the photo you sent Monica shows it; but I don't on a fresh QA install just made.
[01:10] <guiverc> ^ main desktop; clean install
[01:11]  * guiverc corrects again; panel quicklaunch..
[01:12] <guiverc> some manual pics show it too;  https://manual.lubuntu.me/master/5/5.1/lxqt-panel.html   (though someone with fresh install can confirm what I'm saying..)
 I reported that after the release of <IP_ADDRESS> ISO (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> Firefox is no longer on the shortcuts by default (jammy) .... NOTE kc2bez the photo you sent Monica shows it; but I don't on a fresh QA install just made.)
[01:13] <guiverc> Thanks @Leokolb, sorry I forgot (or missed it; likely forgot sorry)
[01:13] <guiverc> I'm confirming then. :)
 reported on Qa site ,here this channel and our discourse issue tracker also confirmed by kgiii on discourse (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> Thanks @Leokolb, sorry I forgot (or missed it; likely forgot sorry))
[01:16]  * guiverc is just super-slow sometimes... Thanks for correction @Leokolb
 but always SUPER! (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> is just super-slow sometimes... Thanks for correction @Leokolb)
[01:18] <guiverc> :) & thanks
[04:09] <Eickmeyer> Hey everyone. I just want to apologize for my behavior earlier. It was out of line. Part of it has to do with what's going on in my brain. I have a preliminary diagnosis of Ischemic Vessel Disease, which has being uncharacteristically short with people as a symptom.
[04:09] <Eickmeyer> It's no excuse, but I wanted to make you aware.
 You're okay man. I'm glad we got it sorted out in the other channel. As I said there, we're totally okay if you guys want to proceed without it, but we're going to try to get it fixed beforehand.
 Thanks for the message @Eickmeyer we're all in this together, hang in there and we will too.
 I think we should proceed with the Beta and keep working on the BTRFS woes. If nothing else, we need to get something noted for the release notes (Gah! I still need to do those). Hopefully we have a work around if a fix can't be found. I can appreciate Manual partitioning is "foot cannons fully loaded" at times but I am bummed about the regression for something I know some users want.
 That being all said, my hours are really limited today and I didn't have any time to test my no-change rebuild idea.
[10:55] <guiverc> If a no-change rebuild idea would fix it; won't the next daily (whenever that is) correct that?  or the issue will suddenly *fix* itself whenever we do that post-beta-release?
 Someone will need to re-upload (bumping the version number only) Calamares so it gets compiled against the build dependencies. It won't fix itself. The beta images are already created though and it looks like a respin of those is unlikely. While I do think this issue is important I don't think it warrants a respin of the beta.
[11:24] <guiverc> okay thanks kc2bez (i was missing that how-accomplished), & I agree it's not necessary for beta
 Forwarded from ubuntu_bridge_Bot: (irc) <sil2100> Flavors! Please mark your flavors as ready, if possible!
 Forwarded from ubuntu_bridge_Bot: (irc) <sil2100> We need kylin and lubuntu marked still
 Forwarded from ubuntu_bridge_Bot: (irc) <sil2100> Kylin I think I can mark as good as per discussions with handsome_feng above ^
 Forwarded from ubuntu_bridge_Bot: (irc) <sil2100> Lubuntu seems to look good as well, but I'll wait a moment still
[14:39] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Jammy Beta] has been marked as ready
 @kc2bez prod sil with your statement if we are good to go if you havent alresdy.  or not.
 note i am rebuilding my system (i nuked it last night) and slowly restoring my system back so E:SLOW_TO_DO_STUFF right noe
 I already chimed in over on - flavors. We've been marked as ready and images are rolling out to mirrors.
 check.
 i'm gonna go back to headbashing ms365 at work
 Wait... You work here too?
 lol. ms365 chaos at FT job xD
 I might have an extra cycle or two to take care of a NCR on Calamares if you want. (re @kc2bez: Someone will need to re-upload (bumping the version number only) Calamares so it gets compiled against the build dependencies. It won't fix itself. The beta images are already created though and it looks like a respin of those is unlikely. While I do think this issue is important I don't think it warrants a respin of the beta.)
 I really appreciate that Erich, that would be excellent. (re @Eickmeyer: I might have an extra cycle or two to take care of a NCR on Calamares if you want.)
[18:24] <guiverc> kc2bez, you know our release notes open to lubuntu.me (link not set...) on beta release..
[18:25]  * guiverc doing ubuntu-news stuff & it shows there too  (we're not alone; kubuntu too)
 I am not sure what you are asking. Are you asking for a link to the release notes? I haven't created anything. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> kc2bez, you know our release notes open to lubuntu.me (link not set...) on beta release..)
[19:00] <guiverc> why the link was to lubuntu.me
[19:01] <guiverc> when release notes are up; link can be changed
 The lubuntu.me link is a place holder in the doc I think.
 Calamares NCR uploaded.
[20:00] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: calamares (jammy-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu3 => <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu4] (lubuntu, ubuntustudio)
 That is awesome. I appreciate your help.
 https://lxqt-project.org/blog/2022/03/31/lxqt-1.1.0-preview-second-part/


[07:03] <dholbach> good morning
[08:33] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1459564 can you please confirm this ?
[08:33] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, confirmed
[08:34] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: also just wanted to confirm that you are aware of the 2 MRs that i have pending, find in page which should need only to verify your comments were fixed and keyboard navigation which needs full review
[08:34] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, they’re on my TO-DO list
[08:34] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: thank you
[11:37] <kalikiana> zsombi: t1mp FYI https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1459632
[11:38] <t1mp> kalikiana: thanks for looking at it
[11:40] <zsombi> kalikiana: kthx
[11:41] <t1mp> zsombi: how should I access the theme inside a style?
[11:41] <t1mp> zsombi: styledItem.theme
[11:41] <t1mp> ?
[11:41] <t1mp> or just theme?
[11:41] <zsombi> t1mp: yes
[11:41] <zsombi> t1mp: styledItem.theme
[11:41] <zsombi> t1mp: why would you need that?
[11:41] <t1mp> I was using 'theme' only and that seems to work
[11:42] <t1mp> zsombi:     property color sectionColor: styledItem.theme.palette.selected.backgroundText
[11:42] <zsombi> t1mp: aaah... well, theme.palette.selected.backgroundText is also enough
[11:43] <zsombi> t1mp: as each style component is created inside the StyledItem's context
[11:44] <zsombi> t1mp: fyi, StyleHints started to work :)
[11:44] <t1mp> zsombi: cool :)
[11:44] <t1mp> zsombi: I was just wondering what's the cleanest way to refer to theme
[11:44] <t1mp> styledItem.theme may be more clear, but we already use theme in many places (without styledItem prefix)
[11:44] <zsombi> t1mp: theme is enough, no need to use the styledItem
[11:45] <t1mp> ok
[11:45] <t1mp> unit tests are done.
[11:45] <t1mp> a new component takes two days to write, then 1 day unit tests and 1 day autopilot tests...
[11:46] <zsombi> t1mp: I'm adding unit tests as well :) and docs ;P
[11:46] <t1mp> yes I hope you do :)
[11:56] <zsombi> :P
[12:03] <DS-McGuire> dholbach, Sorry I missed you yesterday
[12:03] <DS-McGuire> I like what that guy had to say
[12:04] <DS-McGuire> I had thought about the search bar going into the top header however I didn't see it in the Ubuntu HTML5 api like it is with the QML so I guess I could make it, can't be that hard. Also the back button being missing is a known problem
[12:05] <DS-McGuire> well not a problem, I didn't add it yet
[12:08] <dholbach> you can always ask the guys in #ubuntu-webapps like dbarth or alex-abreu
[12:57] <kalikiana> mzanetti|run: I can't reproduce your problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1413801 mind you the snippet was not a complete app, so if you did anything special I wouldn't see it
[13:13] <mzanetti> kalikiana, odd... I thought I had pasted a complete standalone example. I'll prepare it for you. sorry for this
[13:28] <DS-McGuire> dholbach, Sorry I didn't see the notification. I will ask them now, are they the guys who help with the HTML5 API?
[13:28] <dholbach> yep
[13:29] <DS-McGuire> Awesome, thanks.
[13:42] <kalikiana> mzanetti: actually I found it. and now this is really odd. as soon as I set a backgroundColor on the MainView I see the issue - if I don't all is fine
[13:43] <kalikiana> what color doesn't matter even
[13:45] <mzanetti> kalikiana, right, yes, it's about a non-standard background color
[13:45] <mzanetti> still odd that my example only contains half of it :(
[13:47] <kalikiana> mzanetti: I realized afterwards you mentioned the dark background - which I mistook for the black overlay from the dialog
[13:48] <kalikiana> but thart has nothing to do with this bug
[13:49] <kalikiana> mzanetti: I assume your dialog also has modal: false originally
[13:49] <mzanetti> kalikiana, no, I don't think I ever used "modal: false"
[13:49]  * mzanetti wasn't aware of that
[13:50] <kalikiana> mzanetti: if you don't you would have a black overlay hiding the mainview
[13:50] <kalikiana> and that is true even for rtm
[13:50] <mzanetti> yes, what's the problem with that?
[13:50] <kalikiana> mzanetti: the problem is that I mistook the "dark background" for that overlay :-)
[13:51] <mzanetti> oohhh
[13:51] <mzanetti> now I get it
[13:51] <mzanetti> yeah... again, sorry for being unclear :(
[13:51] <mzanetti> will do better next time
[13:52] <kalikiana> shit happens, at least I got it in the end - now the real fun begins in tracking the bug down :-D
[13:52] <mzanetti> heh :)
[13:52] <mzanetti> good luck :)
[14:10] <seb128> does anyone has an example of app that got migrated from Ubuntu.Components.ListItems to the new ListItem?
[14:11] <sverzegnassi> seb128, Ubuntu Touch Tweak Tool uses that. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch-tweak-tool
[14:13] <seb128> sverzegnassi, thanks
[14:14] <seb128> sverzegnassi, doesn't seem to
[14:14] <seb128> sverzegnassi, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-tweak-tool-devs/ubuntu-touch-tweak-tool/trunk/view/head:/app/components/ListItems/SectionDivider.qml
[14:14] <seb128>     ListItem.ThinDivider {
[14:14] <seb128> that's the old one
[14:15] <seb128> "import Ubuntu.Components.ListItems 1.0 as ListItem"
[14:19] <sverzegnassi> seb128, that one comes from dekko. it's just the divider. the other list item in that folder derives from the UITK1.2 component
[14:20] <sverzegnassi> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-tweak-tool-devs/ubuntu-touch-tweak-tool/trunk/view/head:/app/ui/mainPage/behaviourTab/AppsScopeFavs.qml
[14:20] <seb128> sverzegnassi, right, I'm trying to figure out how to do a divider with the new component
[14:21] <sverzegnassi> seb128, here there's also an example of the drag&drop feature :)
[14:21] <sverzegnassi> I'd go for a Rectangle
[14:23] <seb128> that creates a white line
[14:24] <seb128> or I need to set a color but it doesn't look the same
[14:24] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: quick question, in the webbrowser AuthenticationDialog.qml, where is the "model" property supposed to come from ? I can't seem to find it declared or documented anywhere
[14:25] <DanChapman> seb128: doesnt the new ListItem have a divider attached property. Something like divider: {
[14:25] <DanChapman> color fom: colorTo: }
[14:25] <DanChapman> *colorFrom
[14:26] <seb128> DanChapman, it does but I don't have a listitem in my column
[14:27] <seb128> I've a grid with icons
[14:27] <seb128> then I need a line
[14:27] <seb128> I guess I can use a rectangle tweaked then
[14:27] <seb128> with a height of 1
[14:28] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, model is the contextModel provided by oxide, see e.g. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~oxide-developers/oxide/oxide.trunk/view/head:/qt/quick/oxide_qquick_javascript_dialog.cc#L58
[14:30] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, the AuthenticationDialog component was being instantiated by QtWebKit, so it was setting a model property on the item to allow interacting with it. We have a similar mechanism in oxide for various dialogs and for the context menu, so you might want to implement something similar for the authentication
[14:30] <oSoMoN> (if having oxide instantiate a component for the authentication makes sense, maybe it doesn’t and a simple signal is good enough of an API)
[14:31] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: more specifically from what i see on that code you linked it was setting a context property, not a property on the item. but yes, as you say in my case I have a signal to request authentication and two methods,one to send credentials and one to cancel
[14:32] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: so I will alter that dialog to call the methods and show it via PopupUtils.open
[14:32] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: unless you don't agree with the API i just mentioned
[14:33] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, can you show me the code for the oxide API?
[14:35] <nerochiaro> signal void basicAuthenticationRequested(); slot void cancelBasicAuthenticationRequest(); slot void sendBasicAuthenticationCredentials(const QString& username, const QString& password);
[14:35] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ^
[14:36] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: but if you prefer I am happy having a property QQmlComponent* alertDialog
[14:36] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: er, authenticationDialog
[14:36] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, can’t the signal carry a BasicAuthenticationRequest object as a parameter that would be used to cancel/acknowledge the request? that would avoid cluttering the WebView API with two extra slots
[14:37] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i can do that, i need to add a parameter that has the realm and the host requesting authentication anyway, so i might as well add these too
[14:37] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, see how Chris did it for the WebView.mediaAccessPermissionRequested API
[14:38] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ah, good tip. will look. thanks
[14:38] <oSoMoN> I think we want something similar
[15:00] <balloons> dholbach, so anything else for https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/help-app/functional-test-template/+merge/260206?
[15:01] <dholbach> balloons, I'm working with fgimenez to get selenium in
[15:01] <dholbach> I really wouldn't like to ask people to add yet another PPA
[15:01] <dholbach> apart from that it looks great to me
[15:01] <balloons> dholbach, ok, so you'll hold on selenium in the archive?
[15:02] <balloons> would you consider holding on making it a part of the build, but landing the template?
[15:02] <dholbach> I'm not sure I understand
[15:03] <balloons> ie, atm these tests won't run as part of the build. Jenkins doesn't need selenium, nor does anyone wanting to work on the app (there's no functional tests)
[15:03] <dholbach> ok, now I see
[15:03] <balloons> once selenium lands, we can add the build-dep, add it to make, etc
[15:03] <dholbach> I just brought it up because it was mentioned in the HACKING doc
[15:03] <balloons> right, I would leave that for now, and remove it as part of incorporating things
[15:12] <dholbach> ok, wfm
[15:27] <dholbach> balloons, I'll merge https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/help-app/functional-test-template/+merge/260206 and add a small comment to the HACKING doc afterwards
[15:28] <balloons> woot!
[15:35] <dholbach> dpm, sorry... I found an issue
[15:35] <dholbach> err, sorry.
[15:35] <dholbach> I meant balloons
[15:35] <dholbach> added it to the bottom of https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/help-app/functional-test-template/+merge/260206?
[15:36] <mzanetti> popey, meeting time
[15:36] <balloons> ohh I see, first you bait me, then :-)
[15:36] <popey> mzanetti: ooh
[15:37] <balloons> dholbach, on the web version, that's a good point.
[15:48] <balloons> dholbach, so I guess we would need to choose which one to launch. In theory either should work, and we can launch either one
[15:49] <dholbach> let me take a closer look
[15:49] <balloons> we launch via ubuntu-html5-app-launcher
[15:50] <balloons> it does expect and index.html; i'm not sure if it's possible to override that or not. The web version is all localized, so there's no index.html
[15:50] <dholbach> maybe we could add a target for it in the Makefile
[15:50] <dholbach> like "make functional-web-test" or "make functional-app-test"
[15:51] <dholbach> and make each depend on the related other make target
[15:52] <balloons> the path is hardcoded, but not reason it couldn't be a variable. That said, I guess it would really be two test suites eh?
[15:52] <dholbach> it could figure out which path exists and take it from there
[15:55] <balloons> and if both? you think the testsuites would be the same?
[15:56] <balloons> we could also simply make launchers for both and run all tests as a scenario with each launcher feeding into it. In effect, we can run every test that is the same on both as needed within one testsuite
[15:57] <balloons> if there's a specific test that needs only one or the other we can make that as well. It would require both app and web to be built in order to run the full suite ofc
[15:58] <balloons> perhaps I can just modify the mp so it's a little clearer what I mean. I would make 2 classes; one for each testsuite
[15:58] <dholbach> if both, it could run both, yes :)
[18:46] <mhall119> kenvandine: I haven't gotten an actual title for your presentation yet, do you have one?
[18:48] <mhall119> kenvandine: unless "Application Security in Ubuntu" is the title
[18:54] <kenvandine> that was it
[18:54] <kenvandine> unless you have ideas to make it snazzy :)
[18:55] <kenvandine> "Application Security in Ubuntu, why you should care"
[18:55] <kenvandine> mhall119, maybe :)
[18:55] <kenvandine> the key is i want it to be focused on why users should care about our application confinement
[18:58] <mhall119> kenvandine: that sounds good
[18:59] <kenvandine> cool
[18:59] <kenvandine> done!
[20:40] <balloons> mhall119, so is the json for the python scope harness a-ok for you>
[21:34] <mhall119> balloons: haven't run it against the importer yet, sorry, have been trying to finish ubucon stuff
[21:46] <balloons> mhall119, ack, let me know


[00:01] <resno> never tried making something connect that way before.
[00:01] <resno> my terminal knowledge is murky on that
[00:02] <alex88> wep or wpa?
[00:02] <resno> wpa
[00:02] <alex88> static or dhcp address?
[00:05] <alex88> resno: http://pastebin.com/m4dec0024
[00:05] <resno> wow, thanks!
[00:05] <alex88> np...=)
[00:06] <resno> didnt expect that
[00:06] <alex88> uh..forgot to translate: Mettere un IP coerente con la vostra rete -> Insert an ip fitting your needs..=)
[00:07] <resno> what language is that?
[00:07] <alex88> italian
[00:10] <arctic_import> is libnss-ldap broken in 9.10?  I've installed and configured, when I run a getent passwd I don't see the machine even attempting to make an ldap connection to get the information.    All my other Linux machines have no problems, yet the Ubuntu 9.10 machines can't do jack.
[00:13] <alex88[sleep]> arctic_import: i've said i don't think..=) not it's impossible...good luck so..
[00:29] <pting> i've got a bunch of servers load balancing a website... is there a tool to consolidate log files from these various machines into one file/location? i was planning on rsyncing the files to an nfs share
[00:51] <sub> pting: rsyslog and various other remote syslogging packages
[00:51] <sub> there's also splunk
[00:52] <pting> sub, thx, i'll check them out
[02:00] <pting> when running rsync as a daemon, does it sync up the files realtime?
[02:04] <X-M4-X> anyone have experience in net2ftp & ehcp?
[02:05] <pting> nvm... i'll just stick with non-daemon rsync cronjobs
[03:21] <ChrisRut> Is BIND necessary if your domain registrar provides Full DNS control? Can't I just create A records on my Registrar and point them to the correct IP and call it aday?
[03:23] <ScottK> ChrisRut: Yes.
[03:24] <ChrisRut> ScottK: thanks
[03:24] <ChrisRut> BTW, how much resources does BIND use?
[03:24]  * ChrisRut woundering if this will help save some load on my VPS (webserver)
[03:25] <fbdystang> Hey how can I find network manager for pptp after install? It is not in menus?
[03:26] <ScottK> ChrisRut: It depends a lot on the query load.  DNS tends to be more I/O bound than CPU bound.
[03:27] <ChrisRut> fbdystang: try installing network-manager-pptp
[03:27] <ChrisRut> fbdystang: sudo apt-get install network-manager-pptp
[03:28] <fbdystang> ChrisRut: I did, but now i can't find the program to execute it
[03:28] <ChrisRut> ScottK: k, Thanks... Also what else does BIND do?  Will I need to setup my MX records in my registrar aswell?
[03:29] <ScottK> ChrisRut: Yes.  Any DNS records you publish.  You'll also need to make sure your registrar points to their DNS servers as authoritative for your domain
[03:29] <ChrisRut> fbdystang: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VPN
[03:30] <ChrisRut> ScottK: hmm, beginning to think this might be more trouble then it's worth.
[03:30] <ScottK> That's generally my view about bind.
[03:31] <ChrisRut> fbdystang: have you looked in network-manager for this?  I am not sure, I've never used pptp
[03:32] <ChrisRut> ScottK: your view being? BIND=good or bad
[03:32] <ScottK> bind is good, but complicated.
[03:32] <ScottK> Generally, I suggest leaving running DNS to DNS experts.
[03:32] <twb> Hear, hear
[03:32] <ScottK> Your registrar may or may not qualify
[03:32] <ChrisRut> GoDaddy
[03:33] <fbdystang> ChrisRut: It says that network manager is in the system tray, However i cannot find it. What does it look like? all my icons are accounted for
[03:33] <twb> There are two kinds of DNS, too -- publishing your domains' records, and caching everyone else's records.
[03:33] <twb> For the latter, dnsmasq is super nice.
[03:33] <ChrisRut> fbdystang: System>Preferances>Network Connections
[03:34] <ChrisRut> twb: but strictly for a webserver (ubuntu-server) why would I need to cache everyone elses?
[03:34] <ChrisRut> no outbound connections really
[03:34] <fbdystang> ChrisRut: ok I found it, I see a vpn tab, but nothing on pptp
[03:35] <cjwatson> webserver logging can actually do quite a lot of reverse dns lookups
[03:35] <cjwatson> so sometimes caching of that is required
[03:35] <cjwatson> or useful anyway
[03:35] <twb> ChrisRut: right; the latter only applies when you run a local network.
[03:35] <cjwatson> really high-performance web serving generally turns off reverse dns lookups in the logs, but that's a bit annoying for normal production use
[03:35] <twb> ChrisRut: sorry, I wasn't paying much attention.
[03:35] <ChrisRut> fbdystang: try this:
[03:35] <ChrisRut> http://bit.ly/5RRFXU
[03:36] <ChrisRut> cjwatson: didn't think of that... true, thx
[03:36] <twb> cjwatson: if you're only caching for one host, nscd or whatever should handle it
[03:36] <cjwatson> sure, I didn't specify a caching *method* :)
[03:37] <cjwatson> ChrisRut just asked why caching would be useful
[03:37] <twb> OK
[03:37] <fbdystang> ChrisRut: thanks, however i have already tried that one, to no avail :( I would think there would be a simple pptp gui to connect
[03:38] <ChrisRut> fbdystang: did you make sure to install 'network-manager-vpnc network-manager-openvpn
[03:38] <ChrisRut> I could be wrong, but i believe those packages add the ability to use VPN (therefore are required to use PPTP)
[03:39] <fbdystang> Yea, thats what I would think too. But they are both installed
[03:40] <fbdystang> is there a command line way to connect?
[03:41] <ChrisRut> fbdystang: how bout this one: http://bit.ly/6tvTkC
[03:42] <fbdystang> hmm, thats new lemme check
[03:43] <ChrisRut> fbdystang: also give this a shot if that one doesn't work out: http://bit.ly/7rWItY
[03:47] <fbdystang> OK, my network manager now has an icon in panel. I have created the vpn, but don't know how to connect it. it says last used is "never" wish there was a connect button!
[03:48] <fbdystang> ChrisRut: will that second one work in karmic?
[03:48] <ChrisRut> 1sec..
[03:49] <ChrisRut> did you sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[03:49] <ChrisRut> after you setup the vpn
[03:49] <ChrisRut> go into terminal and issue 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart'
[03:49] <ChrisRut> It's probably going to kick you off irc thou
[03:49] <fbdystang> I did sudo service network-manager restart, which it said is a more prefered one
[03:50] <ChrisRut> ok
[03:50] <fbdystang> didn't kick me off though
[03:52] <ChrisRut> fbdystang: can you click on the network manager applet (top right) and then select your vpn connection that you just setup
[03:52] <fbdystang> yes
[03:52] <ChrisRut> did that work?
[03:52] <fbdystang> but i don't know how to connect it
[03:53] <fbdystang> double clicking just brings up th edit window, which is where i set up the vpn
[03:54] <fbdystang> How does it work in yours? does it just automatically connect or do you manually hit connect somewhere?
[03:54] <ChrisRut> not using vpn
[03:54] <ChrisRut> so I couldn't tell ya
[03:55] <ChrisRut> sorry, but I am stumped
[03:56] <fbdystang> hmm
[03:59] <fbdystang> in the second one it says to add my self to group 'dip' how do i do that on command line?
[04:00] <cjwatson> sudo adduser $USER dip
[04:01] <fbdystang> k thanks
[04:02] <kirkland> cjwatson: i'm getting a lintian error on eucalyptus-sc.templates: E: eucalyptus-sc: no-debconf-config
[04:02] <kirkland> cjwatson: can you confirm that this is okay?
[04:03] <kirkland> http://lintian.debian.org/tags/no-debconf-config.html
[04:03] <kirkland> cjwatson: says that it's sometimes okay, sometimes an error
[04:13] <cjwatson> kirkland: it's fine, there's no db_input
[04:15] <kirkland> cjwatson: k, thanks; i'll add an override
[04:22] <fbdystang> How do I know if the vpn connection worked?
[04:33] <ChrisRut> fbdystang: try pinging one of the boxes on your VPN
[04:40] <ChrisRut> gotta run, thanks for the help cjwatson, twb & ScottK
[06:58] <aquarius> I have a jaunty server; "sudo do-release-upgrade" says "After your package information was updated the essential package 'ubuntu-minimal' can not be found anymore." There are LP bugs about this, but they suggest it's been fixed. What can I do to diagnose?
[08:03] <Jeeves_> Mogge
[08:15] <_ruben> Mornin' Jeeves_
[08:48] <jiboumans> morning folks
[09:15] <_ruben> bleh .. snort's an odd beast when you start playing with it
[09:18] <Jeeves_> :)
[09:44] <dpreacher> Has any configured "dead peer detection" for their IPSec VPN on ubuntu server? I need to know if it is possible with racoon or do I have to use another package
[09:50] <_ruben> never used racoon (well, i did for a very brief period and hated it) .. openswan does have support for dpd
[10:04] <dpreacher> _ruben when a package like openswan has dpd support, on being able to detect the dead peer is it possible to switchover to a secondary remote peer? What other corrective action can be taken. Thank you for your reply
[10:20] <_ruben> dpreacher: most common actions are "try to bring up tunnel again" and "put things on hold till its available again" .. openswan doesnt have high availability (switchover) builtin
[10:35] <dpreacher> _ruben, can openswan call any other program to do switchover externally...like run a command
[10:39] <_ruben> dpreacher: there's updown scripts, but im not sure if those get called during dpd as well
[10:39] <_ruben> gotta go .. meeting
[10:39] <dpreacher> seeya
[10:39] <dpreacher> thanks
[11:39] <benedikt> are there any cases where "uptime" will report 2 users when there is only one logged in?
[11:40] <JanC> 2 different users or 2x the same user?
[11:40] <JanC> (use 'users' to check that)
[11:40] <benedikt> http://pastebin.com/m1e3868f8
[11:41] <benedikt> http://pastebin.com/m30c28257 <- updated with 'users'
[11:42] <JanC> well, looks like only one user was logged in the second time
[11:43] <JanC> anyway, "2 users" can mean "2x the same user"
[11:45] <JanC> e.g. on my desktop I currently 3x my user logged in, and every terminal you start (e.g. in screen) adds another login
[12:13] <benedikt> JanC: no. the user "benedikt" is logged in once.
[12:40] <zul_> morning
[12:40] <jiboumans> kirkland, alive and kicking already?
[12:40] <kirkland> jiboumans: about to go for a run
[12:40] <jiboumans> kirkland: ok, catch you after
[12:40] <kirkland> jiboumans: trying to make it back in time for the meeting
[12:40] <jiboumans> morning zul
[13:43] <adac> Since an upgrade to karmic, ssh login to my server is quite slow. Any ideas?
[13:44] <zul_> mathiaz: so what do I need for the scribe stuff?
[13:52] <ttx> kirkland: also it was supposed to require woodstox, but apparently doesn't need it... I guess that change hasn't landed yet in their code.
[13:52] <jiboumans> all hail netsplits
[13:52] <benedikt> adac: does the login go as fast as usual (/etc/motd shows up etc, etc) but bash takes a second to load?
[13:52] <adac> benedikt, the moment I enter the ssh password in the console it takes up to 10 seconds until the "remote" bash appears
[13:52] <benedikt> 'uptime' is showing one user too many on my system ( http://pastebin.com/m30c28257 ) . What can cause this?
[13:53] <adac> benedikt, On jaunty it was there immediately
[13:53] <benedikt> adac: and th motd
[13:53] <benedikt> ?
[13:53] <adac> benedikt, what is that?
[13:53] <benedikt> adac: cat /etc/motd
[13:54] <adac> oh I see. Yes it takes 10 seconds until motd appears on login
[13:54] <benedikt> ah. then its not the same that started to happen to me.
[13:57] <_ruben> slow logins often tend to be dns related
[13:58] <benedikt> also, my issue about one login too many is resolved. i didnt realize that screen of course took up a tty and is in /var/run/utmp .
[13:58] <mathiaz> zul: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase
[13:59] <mathiaz> zul: outlines what to do as a scribe -basically write up the minutes
[13:59] <zul> mathiaz: k thanks
[14:15] <smoser> in mail to mathiaz i suggested yaml as markup language, but python-yaml not in main. so thats a big strike against that.
[14:16] <mathiaz> smoser: well - we may have to move to main anyway
[14:17] <mathiaz> smoser: yaml is getting more and more popular
[14:17] <mathiaz> smoser: I had a look at it this morning
[14:18] <smoser> oh? in that case i'd consider, but the niceness of the built into python is nice. (ie, python-configobj)
[14:27] <zul> python-config is already in main as well
[14:29] <ScottK> smoser: python-yaml will probably come into Main due to a spec of mine.  Also I'm the Debian maintainer for it, so I think it'll be easy to get into Main
[14:30] <smoser> i really dont like the shortcoming of "some things can't be represented as keys" in python-configobj
[14:30] <smoser> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/configobj.html#the-config-file-format
[14:30] <smoser> There is no way of safely quoting values that contain both types of triple quotes.
[14:30] <smoser> but maybe thats just worrying too much
[14:33] <mathiaz> smoser: I think we should just try one
[14:33] <mathiaz> smoser: once we have more experience we can add more syntaxes if needed
[14:33] <smoser> agreed.
[14:34] <smoser> did my mail to you make sense mathiaz ?
[14:34] <mathiaz> smoser: yes
[14:34] <mathiaz> smoser: I'll start by providing sample user-data script
[14:34] <mathiaz> smoser: to see how things would work with the syntax (which ever syntax we choose)
[14:35] <cr3> kirkland: hey dude, someone on the condor-users mailing list is asking about running condor on a eucalyptus cloud. thought you might like to know
[14:35] <mathiaz> smoser: once we have the syntax and samples, we'll have tests as well and can then start implementing it
[14:35] <smoser> mathiaz, thats fine.
[14:37] <kirkland> cr3: cool
[15:03] <oru_work> anyone familiar with vsftpd? Wed Dec 16 09:51:27 2009 [pid 9660] [jpipublic] FAIL LOGIN: Client "<IP_ADDRESS>"
[15:04] <oru_work> same error on both the client and server log side
[15:05] <smoser> soren, ping. could you sponsor bug 494185 to karmic-proposed?
[15:07] <zul> smoser: i think its eod for soren as well
[15:07] <zul> so I could do that if you want
[15:07] <smoser> well, then, do you want to do it? i was just hoping to spread the wealth
[15:07] <zul> sure
[15:08] <zul> dont you mean spread the pain ;)
[15:24] <zul> smoser: i have upload the ec2-init SRU i had to modify the debian changelog for it to be proper for an SRU
[15:25] <smoser> what did you have to change?
[15:26] <smoser> zul,
[15:27] <zul> i attached to the debdiff to the bug
[15:39] <`jpg> Hey guys, is it possible to install 9.10 on a machine without internet access?
[15:39] <smoser> zul, so sru you're not supposed to increase ubuntu portion of the package version, but rather add '.X'?
[15:39] <smoser> ie, you did: 0ubuntu7.1 rather than 0ubuntu8
[15:40] <mathiaz> smoser: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation#Update%20the%20packaging
[15:40] <mathiaz> smoser: ^^ has a table with expected version number for security updates
[15:40] <mathiaz> smoser: SRU follow the same rules
[15:40] <smoser> thanks mathiaz.
[15:40] <zul> smoser,: sorrect
[15:41] <zul> mathiaz: about the smart SRU it was done but it got rejected because there was no lp bug number in the changelog. I just re-uploaded it with the correct lp bug number
[15:42] <mathiaz> zul: ok - can you keep an eye on it?
[15:42] <zul> mathiaz: will do
[15:50] <psyferre> hey folks.  I'm porting a lot of code from windows to ubuntu and have a decent amount of unc paths being used for file access.  In looking through the samba docs it looks like I'm going to have to create a mount point on my system for every other machine on the network i need to access... is that correct?  Or is there some way I can just hit the shares via unc path name?
[17:05] <pea_brain> hi all, I am new to ubuntu UEC. I am trying to get elasticfox to manage the cluster. I am not able to add my cluster as a region in UEC. when i try accessing the URL "http://my_cluster_ip:8773/services/Eucalyptus" directly, it shows "Failure: 500 Internal Server Error". i tried elasticfox on both firefox 3.5 and then on 3.0, but to no avail. can anyone please help..
[17:10] <pea_brain> hi all, I am new to ubuntu UEC. I am trying to get elasticfox to manage the cluster. I am not able to add my cluster as a region in _elasticfox_. when i try accessing the URL "http://my_cluster_ip:8773/services/Eucalyptus" directly, it shows "Failure: 500 Internal Server Error". i tried elasticfox on both firefox 3.5 and then on 3.0, but to no avail. can anyone please help..
[17:11] <hiatus> Is ubuntu server a decent server or should I go with something more along the lines of centos
[17:13] <pea_brain> hiatus: ubuntu server ( LTS ) has 5 yrs support and centos has 7 yrs. besides, ubuntu has a lot of packages pacakged for it ( like 28000) while centos has about 3500 . just a couple of ideas from my side.
[17:13] <pea_brain> Linux is Linux, whichever way you may wanna use it.
[17:19] <hiatus> hmmm, thanks pea, good points
[17:25] <pea_brain> hiatus: one thing to note though, not all the packages i mentioned as supported on ubuntu have the same support commitments from the developers.
[17:28] <hiatus> how do you mean?
[17:34] <pea_brain> there is a section called "main", which is fully supported. Others like "universe" and "multiverse" are not supported with the same level of commitment. http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/components
[17:55] <TeTeT_> kirkland: is there any WSDL specification for Eucalyptus?
[17:56] <kirkland> TeTeT_: i don't think i know enough about WSDL to answer that question
[17:56] <TeTeT_> kirkland: who could know about that, ttx maybe?
[17:57] <kirkland> TeTeT_: yeah
[17:57] <kirkland> TeTeT_: or ask in #eucalyptus
[17:57] <kirkland> TeTeT_: between network splits
[17:59] <TeTeT_> kirkland: I haven't thought of #eucalyptus :)
[18:15] <mathiaz> smoser: hi
[18:15] <smoser> hey
[18:15] <mathiaz> smoser: can I use the UEC images directly with kvm/libvirt?
[18:15] <smoser> sort of.
[18:16] <smoser> its a goal to answer 'yes, and heres how'
[18:16] <mathiaz> smoser: ok - but we're not there yet
[18:17] <smoser> you can do it, but ec2 init is dependent upon the metadata service
[18:17] <smoser> so you either have to
[18:17] <smoser> a.) give a fake metadata service
[18:17] <smoser> b.) disable ec2-init
[18:17] <smoser> c.) wait 30+ minutes for ec2-init to time out
[18:17] <smoser> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEC/Images/Testing is mostly still relevant i think
[18:18] <smoser> the piece of info missing there is that you can append to the kernel 'ec2init=0' and that will disable ec2-init
[18:56] <orudie_> can someone recommend an intranet solution ?
[18:57] <unit3> errr... you'll have to be a *lot* more specific than that. ;)
[19:13] <mm888> hi - trying to setup a LAMP server using Ubuntu server ... anybody had any problems using Ubuntu 9.1 server in fusion
[19:13] <mm888> the server seems to be for AMD 64 bit
[19:17] <unit3> you mean 9.10 right?
[19:17] <unit3> and there should be a 32-bit server ISO download.
[19:18] <unit3> 64 bit is the default, because generally there aren't any 32-bit only servers anymore. ;)
[19:18] <mm888> yes 9.10
[19:18] <mm888> trying to find 32bit
[19:18] <mm888> just trying to test something at home u c
[19:19] <mm888> was searching on the web site and came across this channel - so thought I'll ask
[19:20] <mm888> but all the links takes me back to the 64bit d/l .... ummmm
[19:21] <unit3> let me find you a link.
[19:21] <mm888> thanks :-)
[19:21] <unit3> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-server
[19:21] <unit3> you see under the download button, it says "Alternative download options"?
[19:22] <unit3> Click that, then you can select the 32 bit version.
[19:22] <mm888> oh thanks - so stupid ... should of saw that
[19:22] <unit3> no prob. :)
[19:22] <unit3> also, if you go to one of the mirror sites directly, there'll be bittorrent download links as well, if that's faster for you.
[19:23] <mm888> torrent no good for me as my ISP throttles those type of traffic
[19:23] <mm888> but thanks for the suggestion
[19:23] <unit3> yeah, some ISPs BT is way faster, some it's better to just use the local mirror. the options are there, anyway.
[19:24] <mm888> :-)
[21:02] <smoser> kirkland, have you found a way to get -curses to work with lucid ?
[21:28] <Jeeves_> Has anyone arranged for ZFS in Linux allready? :)
[21:28] <Jeeves_> (not using fuse)
[21:30] <dunix> sorry to tell you, it won't happen until linux changes it's license, gpl gets reworded or new version, or zfs's license changes
[21:30] <dunix> and none of those will be happening any time soon
[21:34] <angeloalfa76>  c'è qualche italiano collegato?
[21:47] <kirkland> smoser: unfortunately not yet
[21:54] <Anonymous2> yea ubuntu server room
[21:54] <Anonymous2> my favorite of all
[22:00] <epinky> :)
[22:00] <Anonymous2> :)
[22:00] <Anonymous2> i got 8.04 server running atm
[22:01] <Anonymous2> epinky: you run server
[22:02] <Anonymous2> anyone else her
[22:02] <Anonymous2> here**
[22:03] <khelvan> My headless server keeps shutting down - what can I do to figure out why it is shutting down on its own?
[22:03] <Anonymous2> bad memory
[22:03] <Anonymous2> is a possiblity
[22:03] <Anonymous2> for me it is cause 1000+ memtest errors
[22:04] <Anonymous2> but it runs just when i restart from time to time it doesn't start up again until i unplug it and plug it back in
[22:04] <dunix> khelvan have you looked through the logs?
[22:04] <Anonymous2> that's one way to find out
[22:04] <Anonymous2> didn't think bout the logs
[22:04] <khelvan> dunix - I am not familiar with where to find logs or what to look for. I am brand new to this.
[22:05] <dunix> overheating is another common reason
[22:05] <Anonymous2> and bad mem
[22:05] <Anonymous2> you come a across bad address and bam down
[22:05] <dunix> /var/log/messages is a good place to start
[22:05] <dunix> or /var/log/syslog
[22:05] <Anonymous2> well i shall revise that
[22:05] <Anonymous2> bad addresses and sometimes bam
[22:11] <khelvan> Here is the /var/log/messages - I don't see anything except a random restart, which I have no idea why it did: http://pastebin.com/m3f44bf33
[22:12] <Anonymous2> do you have it setup to automatically restart
[22:12] <Anonymous2> generally people set it to do this to avoid errors
[22:12] <Anonymous2> much like with cisco routers
[22:13] <khelvan> Here is the syslog, with another random restart - http://pastebin.com/d37f72e41
[22:13] <khelvan> No, I never set it to do that, it has been running fine for a month, and now all of a sudden it is randomly restarting (and randomly shutting down, as in power off).
[22:14] <Anonymous2> did you do a memtest
[22:14] <Anonymous2> just to make sure
[22:14] <Anonymous2> can never be to careful
[22:14] <khelvan> I have not, no, how do I do that with a headless server?
[22:15] <Anonymous2> well if you can restart the machine with a monitor attached you can press escape key when it says please wait 3 seconds at the grub boot loader menu
[22:15] <Anonymous2> then boot to memtest
[22:15] <Anonymous2> my server restarts from time to time but thats cause my mem is finished
[22:21] <dunix> khelvan, is this hardware built to be a server?
[22:21] <dunix> ie: a dell or hp server etc, or is it a desktop you are using as a server?
[22:21] <khelvan> dunix - It is desktop components I put together to be a server.
[22:22] <dunix> you may want to check your bios to see if there is any temp settings, usually with a problem like this, it's a heat issue
[22:23] <dunix> and some bios' have settings for temp, even the desktop ones
[22:23] <dunix> or you may just want to monitor the internal temp of your MoBo/Proc, if it allows for that
[22:23] <khelvan> dunix - Are there any temperature monitors I can install and watch via ssh?
[22:23] <dunix> lm-sensors
[22:24] <dunix> but may or may not work, depending on your motherboard
[22:24] <khelvan> Ok, it is already installed - how can I monitor it via SSH?
[22:24] <dunix> Google+lm-sensors website would tell you if your stuff is supported
[22:25] <Anonymous2> i was talking monitor like a crt or lcd
[22:25] <Anonymous2> but ssh <SERVER IP>
[22:26] <khelvan> Anonymous2 - I know, it isn't practicle for me to have a physical monitor on the machine at the moment. I am installing/monitoring/checking the logs via ssh at the moment.
[22:26] <khelvan> (practical)
[22:26] <Anonymous2> you can't monitor the memtest
[22:26] <Anonymous2> you can with a computer monitor like lcd screen and keyboard
[22:26] <Anonymous2> it's hard for me to explain
[22:27] <khelvan> I realize that, it will have to be a bit before I can run that. I understand, I have run memtest before, which is why I asked how I can do it with a headless server.
[22:27] <khelvan> The short answer is that I can't.
[22:27] <dunix> khelvan, if everything is working properly i believe you can type 'sensors'
[22:27] <khelvan> It needs a head.
[22:28] <khelvan> dunix - Thanks, I got this output:  k8temp-pci-00c3 Adapter: PCI adapter Core0 Temp:  +33.0°C
[22:29] <khelvan> Is there a way for me to tell if it was a system-initiated clean shutdown, or if it crashed due to heat/memory? I have some critical data on a RAID array, how can I insure that the file system is not going to be corrupted?
[22:29] <dunix> well thats not anything to worry about, is there any way/reason this would spike? like for example a dog sitting behind it blocking the intake (which is what my dog does)
[22:29] <dunix> if was a system, it would have said in the logs
[22:30] <qman__> you can check on the RAID with /proc/mdstat
[22:30] <qman__> it'll automatically rebuild if something is wrong
[22:30] <qman__> as for how dangerous it is, that depends on what filesystem you use
[22:31] <qman__> ext3 is generally fine with sudden failures
[22:31] <qman__> might lose some data from writes occurring during the failure
[22:31] <qman__> but otherwise, I've never lost anything else on ext3
[22:31] <qman__> XFS is the opposite, I've had several catastrophic failures in crashes
[22:33] <khelvan> dunix - No pets, the PC is sitting on a stone floor in about 69-70 F heat
[22:33] <khelvan> Or temp, I should say
[22:33] <khelvan> qman__, it is ext3
[22:33] <dunix> then i'd say temp is ruled out
[22:34] <khelvan> qman__, how do I check with /proc/mdstat?
[22:34] <qman__> cat /proc/mdstat
[22:34] <qman__> that's only if you're using mdadm/linux soft raid
[22:34] <qman__> if you've got a hardware raid or a fakeraid that won't tell you anything
[22:35] <khelvan> Err, I am using the RAID that I automatically set up during server install at the prompts, which I believe is linux soft raid
[22:35] <qman__> yeah
[22:35] <qman__> that's mdadm
[22:35] <khelvan> qman__, output: md0 : active raid1 sdc1[0] sdd1[1]      488383936 blocks [2/2] [UU]
[22:35] <qman__> that means it's fine and online
[22:35] <qman__> it'll say rebuilding if it is, and it'll show one of the disks failing if it is
[22:36] <khelvan> I guess I better get that backup solution up and running soon just to be sure.
[22:37] <JanC> backups are always a good idea  ☺
[22:38] <qman__> this is what my file server looks like
[22:38] <qman__> md0 : active raid6 sdh1[7](S) sda1[0] sdg1[6] sdf1[5] sde1[4] sdd1[3] sdc1[2] sdb1[1]<PHONE_NUMBER> blocks level 6, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [7/7] [UUUUUUU]
[22:38] <khelvan> JanC - Yeah, I agree, it has just been low priority for me with all sorts of other problems going on at the moment with other stuff.
[22:39] <khelvan> qman__, What does the (S) refer to?
[22:39] <qman__> spare
[22:39] <qman__> previously, I had just raid 5
[22:39] <qman__> and lost two disks within an hour
[22:39] <qman__> suffered total data loss
[22:39] <qman__> so, this time, raid 6 with a spare
[22:40] <JanC> 2 disks from the same series?
[22:40] <qman__> same model, bought at the same time
[22:41] <qman__> ran for about two years
[22:41] <JanC> it's quite common that they break around the same time then
[22:41] <khelvan> Wow, aren't the odds of that astronomically high?
[22:41] <qman__> then died, an hour apart
[22:41] <JanC> qman__: I once heard somebody tell they lost 3 disks within 5 hours that way  ;)
[22:42] <JanC> was an ISP's mailserver...
[22:42] <qman__> ouch
[22:42] <dunix> lol
[22:42] <khelvan> So the moral of the story is buy two different types of disks?
[22:42] <qman__> luckily my data wasn't that valuable
[22:42] <qman__> the moral is, keep backups
[22:42] <qman__> all disks die eventually
[22:42] <dunix> what qman said.
[22:42] <JanC> well, the problem with different disks is that they have different timings
[22:43] <qman__> yeah, the array will perform better if you use the same disks
[22:43] <sub> and different geometries as well, yeah?
[22:43] <JanC> AFAIK "geometries" are all virtual these days
[22:44] <qman__> this time around I've got it set up to email me on my phone if it detects a SMART error, so that shouldn't happen again
[22:44] <dunix> unless of course you have a support contract, then you have to use identical drives
[22:44] <JanC> qman__: that doesn't always work
[22:44] <JanC> SMART can't predict all errors
[22:45] <qman__> yeah
[22:45] <qman__> mdadm is also set to email me on failure
[22:45] <qman__> but SMART should pick it up first
[22:45] <qman__> and raid 6 with the spare should buy me more time than an hour
[22:45] <JanC> I had one disk where SMART gave no warning until the disk was dead
[22:46] <JanC> disk was 1 month old...
[22:46] <qman__> there's always a chance for total loss, but I'm trying to improve the odds
[22:47] <qman__> the 4GB Quantum Fireball I'm using as a system drive out lasted the first array
[22:48] <qman__> if/when that one finally dies I'm switching to flash
[22:48] <qman__> but all signs point to that thing lasting longer than me


[19:12] <ScottK> cjwatson or slangasek: Would one of you please arrange to kill the kubuntu-netbook ISO build on i386 and to switch the armel kubuntu-netbook build to kubuntu (desktop)?  It seems we've successfully combined the images into one now.
[19:21] <cjwatson> ScottK: which armel subarchitecture(s)?
[19:22] <cjwatson> ScottK: and should it be "preinstalled" rather than "live", as ubuntu-netbook now is?
[19:22] <ScottK> cjwatson: Whichever ones are being built.  I didn't follow all the Maverick changes on sub-archs.
[19:23] <ScottK> cjwatson: I've no idea on preinstalled.
[19:23] <ScottK> "Like ubuntu-netbook" sounds reasonable though.
[19:23] <cjwatson> mkay, I'll just make them match up
[19:23] <ScottK> Thanks.
[19:24] <ScottK> Are there ISO tracker changes needed or is it automagic based on what images get built?
[19:25] <cjwatson> I think the tracker will need to be changed, but I don't know how to do that
[19:25] <cjwatson> stgraber: ^- ?
[19:25] <ScottK> Thanks.
[19:26] <cjwatson> cdimage change made and deployed
[19:26] <cjwatson> I may need to clean up some stale images at some point
[19:30] <ScottK> cjwatson: Thanks.  That should ease testing next time around.
[19:50] <slangasek> more massaging may be needed to get a preinstalled kubuntu-netbook image to build correctly on armel
[19:53] <cjwatson> yeah, I'm not sure about that, ogra would probably know better?
[19:54]  * slangasek nods
[20:58]  * ScottK is all ears.
[20:58] <ScottK> KDE is currently broken on armel anyway, so it's not urgent.
[20:59]  * ScottK gives NCommander a kick in the shins.
[20:59] <NCommander> what the heck did I do this week :-P
[20:59]  * NCommander already got dumped in a lake by Riddell
[21:00] <NCommander> cjwatson: it should "just work", just add the crontables to build the kubuntu-netbook image with -f ext2, and then use cron.port-dailys_preinstalled
[21:00] <cjwatson> that's what I did except -f ext3 to match ubuntu-netbook
[21:01] <ScottK> cjwatson: Except we want desktop, not netbook for Kubuntu.
[21:02] <NCommander> ScottK: same thing in pratice
[21:02] <ScottK> that's the goal.
[21:04] <cjwatson> uh, I missed that bit
[21:04] <cjwatson> so you want armel omap/omap4 preinstalled kubuntu-desktop?
[21:06] <ScottK> cjwatson: Yes.  We're doing away with the netbook image entirely.  Netbook/Desktop will get autoselected at first run based on screen size.
[21:07] <cjwatson> mkay, done
[21:09] <ScottK> cjwatson: Thanks.
[21:59] <ScottK> lamont: Of course, just a few hours after I hit retry, there was another upload of qt4-x11, so it might make sense to shoot https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4:4.7.0~beta1+git20100706-0ubuntu1/+build/1856835 in the head to make room for something more useful.
[21:59] <lamont> ScottK: which builder, if you know?
[21:59] <lamont> meh. /me looks
[22:00] <ScottK> lamont: cushaw
[22:01] <lamont> smacked
[22:01] <ScottK> Thanks.
[22:17] <ogra> i think kubuntu-netbook shoudl just work as preinstalled image, you just need to copy the crontab line ... the prob is that one single build takes 2.5h
[22:22] <ScottK> ogra: Won't take that long now since it will fail.
[22:22] <ogra> well, then we should wait until NCommander is done with fixing kde :)
[22:23] <ogra> i'll tell him to ping me for a testbuild once its ready, if that succeeds i'll add a cron entry
[22:23] <ScottK> NCommander: That'll be done tomorrow, right?
[22:23] <ScottK> ;-)
[22:23] <ogra> lol
[22:24] <ogra> i'm in a call with him in 10 min, i'll ask him
[22:24] <ScottK> It's already a great relief that qt4-x11 died on armel because lamont killed it and he doesn't have to fix that too.


[05:04] <Guest17> I installed ubuntu-unity 23.04 for the 5th time. I need nvidia driver 390, but using it bricked my system with or without updating. Im stuck on the no tty access grey screen of death before login. I really dont wanna reinstall again. Is 390 broken on this update or?
[05:04] <Guest17> This update being 23.04 it worked on 22.04
[05:06] <Guest17> Its constant across boots. Isthere some command needed or a confirmation 390 is disabled or not in this update?


[00:47] <morganu> 2 "installnow?" boxes one after another. updates will not be automatic even thos I asked for that, dell, 20.04 (grumble)
[00:48] <morganu> 20.04 is there a way that I can "minimize all windows"?????
[00:49] <morganu> 20.04 I have a title bar on top of the tabs on all my chrome windows. (I know I set it that way but now I cant figure out how I did it and I want to remove them.)  Where is the control to remove them??
[01:23]  * Islandero tests
[03:00] <bob> Hi everyone. I need some help setting up bluetooth on ubuntu.
[03:00] <bob> I tried the command: sudo pactl load-module module-bluetooth-discover
[03:00] <bob> But got the error: pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused
[03:12] <student> hello everyone
[03:58] <Mad_Cat_TW> exit
[04:13] <lehinsun> Hi, what is the best google drive client for ubuntu?
[04:13] <lehinsun> I want it to sync google drive content to my computer
[04:22] <lehinsun> I mean I want to have the full copy of google drive content
[04:28] <backthen> hi after a recent restart, Ubuntu freezes after a few minutes of normal operation. How to resolve
[04:37] <th34lch3m1st> hi all
[04:43] <lehinsun> I haven't found any appropriate clients for backing app google drive content. But here you can manually create backup - https://takeout.google.com/?hl=ru&pli=1
[04:46] <th34lch3m1st> I'm reading on a askubuntu question that if you want to compile a kernel module you shouldn't use make but compile "the debian way". What's this debian way? (I'm on ubuntu 20.04.1)
[05:02] <randy__> hello
[05:06] <rfm> th34lch3m1st, look at https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/ch08s06.html.en  .  Pretty sure would work on Ubuntu (itś been years since I did it and don't remember whether I was on Debian or Ubuntu at the time...)
[05:17] <th34lch3m1st> I would like to check the kernel source of the next update (November 29) to see if there is the driver I need.
[05:17] <th34lch3m1st> I'm inspecting kernel.ubuntu.com/git etcetc
[05:20] <th34lch3m1st> Now I'm on 5.11.0-40, next update is 5.11.0-41.45. How can I inspect that source?
[05:21] <th34lch3m1st> Ok I found it
[05:48] <luminaid> Hello everyone,  have a ubuntu VPS running 20.04, fresh install, configured lamp and have everything running.. I am trying to install an app and managed to get passed all the required changes in php, etc.. although I am stuck on the last option and can't figure out how to make it work..  HTTP methods required are GET, POST, PUT, OPTIONS, PATCH,
[05:48] <luminaid> PROPFIND, REPORT, LOCK DELETE, COPY and MOVE .... but I cannot figure out how to enable those features...  i tried under virtualhosts, tried apache.conf, tried .htaccess, etc.. I cannot figure out how to enable these features.... would anyone be willing to help me out?
[05:54] <rfm> luminaid, I don't know, but that kinda sounds like WebDAV stuff; I found a digitalocean howto: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-configure-webdav-access-with-apache-on-ubuntu-18-04 which might be close enough to help
[05:55] <luminaid> rfm; I have been searching like a mad man, trying all variants and nothing.. why I thought of asking here.. although I appreciate the link and will try looking there. thank you!
[05:56] <luminaid> rfm; the open source crm im trying to install never mentions any webdav stuff though... but will flip through incase
[05:58] <luminaid> with that said though, wikipedia has all those functions listed so hmmm ok will dig deeper
[06:20] <CoolerX> Hi
[06:20] <CoolerX> I was trying to create a python venv when it said I need to install the venv package
[06:20] <CoolerX> but when I try to do that it gives an error. failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/python3.8/python3.8-venv_3.8.10-0ubuntu1~20.04_amd64.deb
[06:22] <CoolerX> actually I just did apt-get update and now it seems to install correctly
[07:59] <mei> do you have any idea why ubuntu on pi zero 2 run only 32-bit? https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi it should have pretty much the same cpu as pi 3 which support 64-bit
[08:02] <mei> okay, maybe it will come later https://ubuntu.com/blog/raspberry-pi-zero-2-w-with-ubuntu-server-support-is-here
[08:03] <mei> when it will be the next dot release?
[08:05] <morganu> [16:47:26] <morganu> 2 "installnow?" boxes one after another. updates will not be automatic even thos I asked for that, dell, 20.04 (grumble)
[08:05] <morganu> [16:48:05] <morganu> 20.04 is there a way that I can "minimize all windows"?????
[08:05] <morganu> [16:49:50] <morganu> 20.04 I have a title bar on top of the tabs on all my chrome windows. (I know I set it that way but now I cant figure out how I did it and I want to remove them.)  Where is the control to remove them??
[08:06] <mei> i found this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule but not a page about Impish Indri
[08:06] <morganu> repeat: will check in am for any response: use my nick plz. ty
[08:10] <mei> i wonder if i can upgrade the image through qemu and chroot
[09:21] <bostromz> !ops https://dpaste.com/8WKP6VTK2
[09:22] <Woet> bostromz: and how is this Ubuntu related?
[10:16] <msim_> with the LTS releases, do packages just not get updated from the debian repositories at all?
[10:16] <ravage> you get security updates
[10:16] <msim_> ah ok
[10:16] <msim_> so no feature release updates will make it into the LTS releases?
[10:16] <alkisg> The ubuntu repositories are completely unrelated to the debian repositories, in both lts and non-lts versions
[10:16] <ravage> usually not. sometimes minor version updates
[10:17] <msim_> alkisg: i thought the ubuntu repositories incorporate source pacakges from debian????
[10:17] <alkisg> Yes, via an "import" and "recompilation" procedure
[10:17] <alkisg> I mean, if you grep for debian in your apt sources, you won't see anything
[10:17] <msim_> yeah sorry should've clarified, but that's what i was asking about
[10:17] <msim_> mb
[10:18] <alkisg> The import happens when a new ubuntu version is developed. It's not done automatically later on at any point
[10:18] <alkisg> I.e. if a new security release gets to debian, it won't automatically reach e.g. 20.04. The ubuntu developers will need to manually import it
[10:19] <msim_> ahhh ok i see, so if i submit a source package into debian now, can i expect it to be in jammy?
[10:19] <msim_> or would it be the release after jammy
[10:19] <alkisg> Jammy syncs from unstable up to around February
[10:19] <alkisg> When the "feature freeze" happens
[10:19] <alkisg> If it's in unstable till then, it'll make it to jammy
[10:19] <msim_> alright awesome, thanks!
[10:20] <alkisg> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-schedule/23906
[10:20] <alkisg> February 24th
[10:20] <msim_> cheers
[10:20] <alkisg> 👍
[10:22] <msim_> alkisg: just quickly to check - does the package *have* to be in unstable, or can it be in any of stable/testing/unstable by the feature freeze date?
[10:22] <alkisg> I don't think you can get it to stable without the others :)
[10:22] <msim_> right, that's what i thought :P
[10:23] <alkisg> I mean, that's how debian works, we upload to unstable, then it migrates to testing
[10:23] <alkisg> And it only gets to stable when a new stable debian version is released every e.g. 2 years, not periodically
[10:23] <msim_> yeah that's my understanding. was just clarifying :P
[10:24] <alkisg> 👍
[11:04] <cbreak> so... if I wanted a newer version of syncthing... I have to hope debian updates it
[11:04] <cbreak> or bypass the built-in ubuntu packages and install it myself
[11:04] <ravage> cbreak: https://apt.syncthing.net/
[11:07] <cbreak> ravage: yes, that's what I was thinking about in my second sentence
[11:27] <ungars> Salut à tous, bon Dimanche
[11:36] <EriC^^> !fr | ungars
[11:37] <ungars> I am sorry, I will stay there a little bit and join after the french channel
[11:39] <EriC^^> no problem ungars
[11:53] <MarkASmith> Morning everyone. Now that I've been using Ubuntu for a while, I wanted to give back and have been testing the Daily Jammy Builds. Is there a natural channel for discussing these tests, such as #ubuntu-next or #ubuntu-devel ?
[11:59] <EriC^^> !+1 | MarkASmith
[12:01] <EriC^^> MarkASmith: #ubuntu-next
[12:01] <Enissay> Using Ubuntu 20.04, I receive regularly warnings that my 38GB root partition is full (I have a separate one for /home). When opening the `Disk Usage Analyzer` GUI, it shows that size / = 13GB. But using `df -kh` it shows the size is 30GB!! I am confused now why is there a difference and most importantly, what is eating my root space!
[12:02] <EriC^^> MarkASmith: actually nevermind, just noticed you already know it, not sure where specific devel stuff go, but they probably know better about it so i'd shoot them a question
[12:02] <Fatal_Sushi> Enissay: remove older kernels
[12:03] <MarkASmith> I looke dthat up as I was typing the message, but thanks for confirming!
[12:03] <EriC^^> yw MarkASmith
[12:04] <MarkASmith> Eric^^: I'm a noob at IRC too (well, I used it 30 years ago), so just getting used to how to reply to specific people, etc.
[12:05] <EriC^^> Enissay: try "sudo du -sh /!(home) | sort -h" to see what's eating the space
[12:06] <EriC^^> MarkASmith: gotcha, if you want to reply easily just type in the first few letters of a nickname and press tab and it should autocomplete it for you
[12:08] <MarkASmith> EriC^^, Oh yeah! Many thanks
[12:10] <EriC^^> no problem
[13:21] <root____> Hi
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> welcome root____
[13:22] <oerheks> :-)
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> !rootirc | root____
[13:23] <root____> ok thank you i just installed terminal based client and forgot to logoff from root
[13:39] <neem> Hi there, i am trying to connect to my server ec2 server using vnc reminia, but when i start ssh tunnel it keeps failing, can you help out what am doing wrong please.
[13:41] <neem> when i run localhost:5901 in reminia vnc it give error : bind: Address already in use
[13:41] <neem> channel_setup_fwd_listener_tcpip: cannot listen to port: 5901
[13:41] <Exterminador> try changing the IP/port VNC is binding to
[13:42] <Exterminador> something is already using that IP/port
[13:43] <neem> Exterminador: what port should i use ?
[13:45] <Exterminador> you can use any available port, probably? I mean, the error says that the VNC is trying to bind to an IP/port already taken by another process. try set the VNC port to something like 5910 and give it a try
[13:46] <tomreyn> neem: the local port can be any port above 1024 that's not already taken. the remote port would need to be what the vnc server is listening on there.
[13:49] <neem> when i run this command it used to keep running until i hit clt+c "ssh -L 5901:localhost:5901 -N -f server1@IP -i clé.pem" now when i run it it gives me terminal output, why is that ?
[13:51] <tomreyn> what kind of terminal output?
[13:52] <tomreyn> -N would prevent getting a terminal on the remote side - after the connection was established properly
[13:52] <tomreyn> ...and authentication succeeded
[13:54] <neem> tomreyn:I mean no output it just run the command and doesnt wait untill i hit clt+c, it give no out put.
[13:56] <ioria> neem, find out what's running on 5901:   sudo lsof -ti:5901
[13:59] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:01] <neem> whe i run the command now witout the -N it gave me "Cannot fork into background without a command to execute." and when i rerun it again with the -N option, it workrf and i was able to get password prompt from reminia for vnc connection, i am not sure what happened ??
[14:02] <neem> ioria: two proccess running now when i do  sudo lsof -ti:5901, while connection is established.
[14:05] <neem> why i cant see vncserver running when i do netstat -nulp ?
[14:08] <neem> oh i can see it's running, the command is netstat -tulpn
[14:09] <neem> but i am still not sure why it connected this time.
[14:30] <leftyfb> neem: your command you posted won't work. You're trying to listen on the same port you're trying to forward to
[14:30] <leftyfb> neem: ssh -L 5911:localhost:5901 -N -f server1@IP -i clé.pem
[14:31] <leftyfb> then connect to port 5911 with your vnc client
[14:31] <leftyfb> or not
[15:14] <Fruakndel> Hey guys need some help
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> welcome Fruakndel
[15:14] <Fruakndel> I have a synology which raid is lost disks are OK and healthy and I am now on Ubuntu live and want to access my files
[15:15] <Fruakndel> Mayb if someone could help me on remote I am totally noob on this
[15:16] <Fruakndel> It contains photos of my friends father which is past away
[15:16] <Fruakndel> And he needs it tomoroow
[15:16] <Fruakndel> Lotus can you help
[15:27] <tomreyn> Fruakndel4: there seems to be documentation here: https://kb.synology.com/en-global/DSM/tutorial/How_can_I_recover_data_from_my_DiskStation_using_a_PC
[15:27] <Fruakndel4> I am busy for 2 days no options left readed that already
[15:28] <tomreyn> if no options are left, then I don't see how anyone could help
[15:29] <Fruakndel4> Mayb look with me on a remote connection
[15:31] <tomreyn> Fruakndel4: you can show me what you did so far, using tmate, if you like. https://tmate.io/
[15:31] <Fruakndel4> Huh how
[15:32] <Fruakndel4> What is tmate
[15:32] <tomreyn> scroll down to installation, select "Ubuntu", read.
[15:32] <tomreyn> tmate is a terminal multiplexer, a way to share your terminal window
[15:33] <Fruakndel4> Cant you connect remote
[15:33] <Fruakndel4> Pb me please
[15:33] <tomreyn> i do not know what "Pb me please" means
[15:34] <Fruakndel4> Person message
[15:41] <tomreyn> Fruakndel4: we made no progress on this in private chat, and i generally prefer to keep chats here, and have others advise do peer review
[15:41] <Fruakndel4> Nice ok
[15:42] <tomreyn> i can try to guide you a little, but you'd then need to post the outputs to a pastebin and post its url here
[15:42] <tomreyn> tmate or asciinemy would be easier, but that's up to you
[15:43] <tomreyn> *asciinema
[15:43] <Fruakndel4> I have no time need this fotos and if no one could help me I have a huge problem better an expert who ould remote help me
[15:43] <tomreyn> so, you said you followed https://kb.synology.com/en-global/DSM/tutorial/How_can_I_recover_data_from_my_DiskStation_using_a_PC but htis "did not work"?
[15:44] <Fruakndel4> This fotos i need tomorrow because my friends father is past away friday
[15:44] <Fruakndel4> And I am busy 2 days tried all but won't work
[15:44] <tomreyn> you keep repeating this, i don't see how this will get us anywhere.
[15:44] <Fruakndel4> I have. The pc with the disks running on Ubuntu live
[15:44] <Fruakndel4> I tried those tutorials
[15:44] <tomreyn> you will need to spend time on this with someone here on the chat, or it won't happen, most likely
[15:45] <Fruakndel4> I am on terminal did all those things
[15:45] <Fruakndel4> But it won't help me out
[15:45] <tomreyn> so where does it fail, or not work as explained in the how-to?
[15:45] <tomreyn> are there error messages?
[15:45] <Fruakndel4> I go have to eat half an hour be back then very stressed 😒
[15:46] <tomreyn> okay, i may not be around then, have a good meal
[15:46] <Fruakndel4> Thanks
[16:23] <Firefishe> I've just compiled custom software from git source.  I'm using 20.04 and the gnome/wayland desktop.  How do I make an entry for my custom application on the app list?
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> Firefishe: /usr/share/applications what you looking for?
[16:26] <Firefishe> lotuspsychje: I just found that on a site.  I built seamonkey from source and need to add it to the list.
[16:27] <Firefishe> I see how to do it now.  Custom .desktop entry
[16:32] <Firefishe> lotuspsychje: Thanks for responding.  I appreciate it. :-)
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> welcome Firefishe are you the developer?
[16:54] <Firefishe> lotuspsychje: Gads, No!  I just like the suite, and like to compile for fun.  I do the same with kvirc.  Keeps me in practice.
[16:54] <pavlushka> please anyone refer me where can I discuss geany ide issue
[16:55] <oerheks> try #geany ?
[16:55] <Firefishe> lotuspsychje: I learned to use a build system call mach today, so I gained knowledge.
[16:58] <pavlushka> oerheks: that channel is almost empty but thanks for replying, I guessed there would be no #geany as they haven't mentioned any official irc channel in their homepage, like #sane they mostly use mailing list as it appears
[17:06] <mei> so, i figured out not lts releases have no dots versions. so how you get an updated image of it? are they updated sometimes?...
[17:06] <mei> i need an updated 21.10
[17:10] <Fatal_Sushi> mei: nope, not available
[17:11] <Fatal_Sushi> they never release up to date iso's of interim releases
[17:12] <Fatal_Sushi> mei: by the way, the dot releases of LTS are called point releases
[17:12] <Fatal_Sushi> :)
[17:13] <oerheks> no date given for 21.10.1
[17:16] <mei> oerheks are that a thing?
[17:16] <mei> i mean point releases
[17:17] <mei> i probably have to wait 22.04 ...
[17:20] <Fatal_Sushi> mei: 21.10.1 won't every exist
[17:20] <Fatal_Sushi> every/ever
[17:20] <Fatal_Sushi> as said, no
[17:20] <Fatal_Sushi> why do you need a up to date iso?
[17:21] <oerheks> data cap ?
[17:29] <cbreak> there was a data corruption bug in 21.10's ZFS kernel module
[17:30] <cbreak> that's why I waited with upgrading until a fix was released.
[17:30] <cbreak> but for fresh install, a fix might never be released
[17:37] <TJ-> cbreak: is there a bug report for that corruption issue?
[17:41] <mihaiadrian> please
[17:41] <mihaiadrian> from the bottom of my heart
[17:41] <mihaiadrian> help me install these filthy headphones
[17:41] <mihaiadrian> i'm about to break them
[17:41] <mihaiadrian> i will pay you money
[17:42] <mihaiadrian> i don't understand why the fuck they don't play, everything is connected and detected, they do not play
[17:43] <Firefishe> mihaiadrian: Bluetooth?
[17:43] <oerheks> try hole 2, you might have used line out or mic
[17:44] <cbreak> TJ-: yes, it was even mentioned in the release notes
[17:45] <cbreak> TJ-: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/impish-indri-release-notes/21951
[17:47] <cbreak> since it's only a file system corruption issue, and not as important as things like s390x support, the splitting of fence agents, or libre office, it's at the end of the release note
[17:50] <mei> Fatal_Sushi raspberrypi zero 2 support
[17:59] <Fatal_Sushi> mei: those aren't iso's but Pi images, there's a difference and you should have mentioned that from the start
[18:00] <Fatal_Sushi> we were thinking you were talking about the regular desktop isos
[18:02] <Fatal_Sushi> mei: it also seems that for the Pi Zero 2 there's only a 32 bit server Pi image available
[18:03] <Fatal_Sushi> https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi
[18:03] <Fatal_Sushi> that's 21.10 by the way
[18:07] <basenji> https://www.raspberrypi.com/software/operating-systems/   Ubuntu Core / Ubuntu Server / Ubuntu Desktop
[18:11] <two80one> Hello, fresh install of ubuntu on an Asus x570-e with a Ryzem 3800, i cant get pwmconfig to see any of my fans, even sensors doesnt show my fans.  i read about the module in kernel 5.15 not working right so i upgraded to 5.16rc1 and the module loads now but  still dont see any fan RPMs and pwmconfig doesnt see any PWM fans either.
[18:13] <Fatal_Sushi> two80one: which ubuntu? Because 5.15 isn't in any of the current releases.
[18:13] <two80one> ubuntu 21.10, i had to download the kernel and dpkg -i it by hand
[18:14] <two80one> i didnt use the upgrade command to get this kernel as the updates to nct6775 arent in 5.15
[18:14] <Fatal_Sushi> i don't think that's supported here, only that what ubuntu ships by default
[18:14] <two80one> well its going to be supported in 4 weeks when its released so i dont see how that helps
[18:15] <basenji> OK
[18:15] <ravage> there is no ubuntu release in the next 4 weeks
[18:15] <two80one> i had the exact same issie with 5.15, except it wouldnt even load the proper modules because the hwcon is broken
[18:15] <Fatal_Sushi> because ubuntu doesn't ship any of those kernels in the current releases of ubuntu two80one
[18:15] <two80one> jan 2022
[18:15] <two80one> iot when kernel 5.16 is being released on ubuntu
[18:15] <two80one> omg *facepalm* lol
[18:16] <Fatal_Sushi> maybe on the dev version
[18:16] <two80one> okay so beyond that how do i get lm_sensors and fancontrol to work on 5.15 then
[18:16] <two80one> because all i get is one die temp and no fan RPM
[18:16] <Fatal_Sushi> everything you install from outside of the official repo's is at your own risk and not supported here
[18:16] <two80one> because all i get is one die temp and no fan RPM
[18:17] <two80one> sorry, it was installed from an official repo
[18:17] <ravage> no it was not
[18:17] <Fatal_Sushi> two80one: no it wasn't
[18:17] <two80one> https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=N;O=D
[18:17] <two80one> ubuntu.;com
[18:17] <two80one> thats not official?
[18:18] <two80one> it doesnt say geocities.com
[18:18] <Fatal_Sushi> that's a PPA and NOT a official repo
[18:18] <ravage> it is not in the official repo
[18:18] <two80one> it says ubuntu.com
[18:18] <Fatal_Sushi> dude
[18:18] <two80one> it will be in january
[18:18] <Fatal_Sushi> sigh
[18:18] <ravage> ok im out :)
[18:18] <two80one> okay so forget i said 5.16 i was lying im a running 5.15
[18:18] <two80one> so how do i get lm_sensors to detect my fan speeds
[18:18] <Fatal_Sushi> still not supported here
[18:18] <two80one> you dont support lm_sensors?
[18:19] <two80one> wow this is worse than trying to get service work done at a car dealership lol
[18:19] <Fatal_Sushi> i'm out, next
[18:19] <two80one> "oh youre using a mobil 1 filter on a Ford when you should be using a ford product? yea we cant help you now" lol
[18:20] <two80one> you dont suppport lm_sensors on kernel 5.15?
[18:20] <Fatal_Sushi> you run a kernel that isn't supported here by any of the current ubuntu releases, not so hard to understand imho, period
[18:20] <Fatal_Sushi> have fun two80one
[18:20] <Fatal_Sushi> i'm out for real now
[18:20] <two80one> okay and i am going to reboot right now an run 5.15 then
[18:20] <two80one> wow youre a cunt bud
[18:20] <two80one> bye
[18:23] <TJ-> That isn't a fair summary - the system has a problem with a critical hardware subsystem - thermal, the user has used the recommended procedure for testing latest mainline kernel and apparently proved the earlier kernels may have a bug. We don't just dismiss those users
[18:27] <basenji> two80one : Psensor is a GTK application that shows graphs of CPU, GPU, hard drive temperatures, and fan speeds, including remote computers if needed. You may apt-get or search via Synaptic
[18:27] <TJ-> basenji: two80one left 4 minutes ago
[18:28] <Freddy_> !smjg
[18:28] <basenji> OK Thanks
[18:52] <Slartibart> Hi. I'm having login problems on 21.10 after moving disks to new hardware(not sure whether that matters). The login screen doesn't appear, I can switch to terminal using alt+f2 etc though. Windows 10 boots. Anyone knows an faq page about those things, feel like giving it a shot or anything? I'm at the end of my skills here, tbh.
[19:01] <backthen25> how do I check disk the main disk? The disk check util keeps saying the disk is busy
[19:03] <EriC^^> backthen25: check what exactly?
[19:03] <oerheks> check disk from a live iso, not while in use
[19:05] <Slartibart> Is it possible that plymouth crashes because of wrong graphics drivers? I was using nvidia before moving to new mobo, now it's just integrated intel graphics.
[19:06] <backthen25> Eric^^: after a restart, the OS has become exceedingly slow. Trying to check if anything is wrong with the disk
[19:06] <oerheks> Slartibart, nvidia is not in use then. remove them?
[19:07] <Slartibart> oerheks: I ran sudo apt purge 'nvidia*'
[19:09] <Slartibart> Still no login screen though =[
[19:11] <alkisg> backthen25: check `dmesg` for red lines; also check if swap is in use
[19:11] <alkisg> Slartibart: do you have a /var/log/Xorg.0.log[.old]?
[19:12] <Slartibart> alkisg: Yes. What should I look for?
[19:13] <alkisg> Slartibart: the error, near its end
[19:13] <alkisg> You can also pastebin it if you want us to check it out. There shouldn't be any security sensitive things there...
[19:13] <backthen25> alkisg: only red line is "Out of memory: killed process 2220 (tracker-extract)".      How to check for swap
[19:14] <alkisg> backthen25: that's more than enough :)
[19:15] <alkisg> It means that your system RAM was exhausted. To check for swap, you may run `free`. How much RAM do you have, and what's that tracker-extract process?
[19:15] <alkisg> Google says it's gnome file indexing service... meh
[19:16] <alkisg> To check which process wastes a lot of ram, you can go to the gnome system monitor window (I don't know exactly how it's called, I'm using mate). Or run top.
[19:20] <backthen25> alkisg: free says I have less than a GB left of this 16gb system. Seems wrong? I just closed the browser and have nothing else open
[19:24] <backthen25> also, top states gnome-shell uses 4258708. Is that in kb?
[19:25] <oerheks> bytes
[19:35] <alkisg> backthen25: check the "available" column, not the "free" column, because you shouldn't count the cache
[19:37] <user> server ssl.chathispano.com +6697
[19:45] <morganu> same questions different day:   {Dell, 20.04 on entire hard drive):  First the latest on "Crawl to Freeze": 2 "install now?" boxes, sitting one atop another, updates will not be automatic even tho I asked for that. (grumble) Not seeing them and thus not responding to them makes my computer slow to useless (AND I have been asking about this problem for 1.5 years.)
[19:45] <morganu> 20.04 is there a way that I can "minimize all windows"?????   /n  20.04 I have a title bar on top of the tabs on all my chrome windows. (I know I set it that way but now I cant figure out how I did it and I want to remove them.)  Where is the control to remove them?
[19:48] <immuda> hello folks
[19:48] <tomreyn> chrome is a third party software, try to get support from that third party
[19:48] <immuda> has any one used their ESM from Ubuntu
[19:49] <immuda> !help
[19:49] <tomreyn> immuda: this is not the right place for polls
[19:49] <oerheks> ESM? this channel does not that kind of support, AFAIK
[19:49] <immuda> !okie
[20:11] <morganu> tomreyn, so the control is in CHROME and not in the SEYSTEM setting?
[20:12] <morganu> good - thanks
[20:12] <morganu> I have been what seems like everywhere to find it. TY
[20:13] <morganu> OK IS THERE a way to "minimize all windows" aka "show desktop" in 20.04 Ubuntu??
[20:14] <oerheks> Ctrl + Super + D
[20:14] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/shell-keyboard-shortcuts.html.en
[20:15] <oerheks> or https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/keyboard-nav.html.en
[20:15] <oerheks> is longer
[20:16] <tomreyn> for me, on 18.04, i just hit meta-d
[20:16] <ravage> (works on 20.04 too)
[20:17] <oerheks> oh dear, learned somthing today
[20:17] <immuda> yup,works
[20:55] <kewpie> plugins.var.perl.colorize_lines.hightlight on
[22:34] <fengshaun> I'm trying to start emacs server with systemd with the service file that came with it. doing systemctl enable emacs tells me emacs.service does not exist. I can see it in /usr/lib/systemd/user/emacs.service
[22:35] <fengshaun> what gives?
[22:35] <fengshaun> systemctl --user start emacs complains "failed to connect to dbus"
[22:35] <oerheks> try unmask first?
[22:35] <fengshaun> unmask?
[22:35] <oerheks> systemctrl unmask <service>
[22:36] <fengshaun> no change
[22:36] <oerheks> https://www.thegeeksearch.com/how-to-control-start-stop-mask-unmask-services-using-systemd/
[22:36] <fengshaun> Unit emacs.service does not exist, proceeding anyway.
[22:37] <fengshaun> it doesn't mention that the service is masked either
[22:38] <oerheks> systemctl --user enable --now emacs
[22:38] <oerheks> https://simpleit.rocks/linux/ubuntu/start-emacs-in-ubuntu-the-right-way/
[22:40] <fengshaun> that one worked, thanks. not sure what the issue is/was
[22:40] <oerheks> i agree, it is not clear without manual, have fun!
[22:41] <fengshaun> thanks
[22:43] <GrandPa-G> I am being added as remote ssh user. The person adding doesn't really know much but will let me screen share so I will be on his account. He should have sudo. Since I have to do the commands, what should I be doing?
[22:44] <oerheks> GrandPa-G, what do you want him to do?
[22:45] <GrandPa-G> oerheks, If I learn what I should do on his account, then I will just do whatever is necessary.
[22:46] <oerheks> Still not clear to me, you are succesfully in his machine through ssh?
[22:46] <GrandPa-G> no, I have never come in as me since I don't have a key set up
[23:26] <quazimodo> hey people
[23:26] <quazimodo> any idea what this is
[23:26] <quazimodo> mpqemubr0: flags=4099<UP,BROADCAST,MULTICAST>  mtu 1500
[23:27] <quazimodo> some sort of network device that I don't fully understand, does qemu set up it's own bridge networks separately to libvirt?
[23:27] <mwhudson> google suggests its probably from multipass?
[23:28] <quazimodo> ohhhh yeah you're right multipass does funky qemu stuff during builds doesn't it
[23:28] <quazimodo> snap builds or whatever
[23:28] <quazimodo> man snap is so weird


[08:27] <WeiJunLi> ive compiled the ubuntu kernel succesfully, how do I use this specific kernel?
[11:07] <WeiJunLi> ive compiled ubuntu kernel and now i updated grub but when i try to boot i have this issue http://imgur.com/a/hXjuk ? hints pls
[13:08] <ogra_> hmm, building an initrd with a non numeric version (i.e. you want an initrd being called initrd.img-debug without containing modules) results in scary "depmod: ERROR: Bad version passed debug"  ... i wonder how hard it would be to turn that rather into "WARNING" so it looks less scary


[02:02] <tgm4883> !repos
[02:02] <Zinn> The Mythbuntu team provides updates for MythTV and Mythbuntu package using the Mythbuntu Repos http://mythbuntu.org/repos
[17:58] <KungFuJe1us> So who on earth thought it was a great idea to automatically force an update to the mythtv schema on the master backend when the packages were updated?
[17:59] <KungFuJe1us> So who on earth thought it was a great idea to automatically force an update to the mythtv schema on the master backend when the packages were updated?
[17:59] <KungFuJe1us> and then subsequently do it each time mythbackend wanted to start?*
[17:59] <KungFuJe1us> sorry for the repeated message.  Anyway, I've had to restore my mythbackend's database from backups twice now due to an incidental reboot of an ubuntu based computer
[18:04] <gregL> KungFuJe1us, When there is a change in the Binary it forces the schema change ..If you run Master,you have to put up with it..If you don't want to do the schema changes,you should only use the fixes branch..
[18:06] <KungFuJe1us> no I get it, it was just updated incidentally, and in a vanilla config before mythbackend launches it warns you and prompts you rightly.  Actually mythbackend doesn't even launch until you run mythtv-setup first between revisions
[18:07] <KungFuJe1us> Ubuntu packages did it invisibly :(


[01:57] <cjwatson> slangasek: ^- above ubiquity upload is for the bug we discussed in Wednesday's team meeting; it did indeed turn out to be an issue with signed kernel handling
[06:05] <ScottK> infinity: I put chort onto manual due to chroot problems.
[06:06] <infinity> Ugh.
[06:06] <infinity> ScottK: Thanks.
[06:06] <ScottK> No problem.
[06:06] <ScottK> Glad I have powerz because it's be tough to get this KDE SRU building right on all archs without it.
[06:08] <infinity> ScottK: Just don't let the powerpc queue empty, or you'll end up stuck behind a chromium and a kernel.
[06:09] <ScottK> Yeah.  No danger of that.
[06:09] <infinity> Not that I wouldn't like to see that kernel build some day. :P
[06:09] <ScottK> I think it'll get built this weekend.
[06:10] <infinity> Seems likely.  The queue's not as deep as LP thinks it is.    Hopefully they won't all follow caph and chort.
[10:50] <infinity> ScottK: I'm finally letting that kernel trickle through on ross, adare should finish chewing through the KDE stuff on its own, I imagine.
[14:28] <ScottK> infinity: I'm sure we'll get there.
[14:36] <infinity> ScottK: Yeah.
[14:36] <infinity> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/powerpc/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending is nearly cleared out, so we should be in good shape.
[14:37] <infinity> ScottK: Oh, and kdeplasma-addons is dep-wait all over.
[14:38] <ScottK> Yeah.  Fixing right now.
[14:38] <ScottK> We didn't upload the packages that had no changes in them and that had a versioned b-d on one of them.
[14:38] <infinity> build-dep version too high, or missed an upload of the newer libkexiv?
[14:38] <infinity> Ahh, I guess you just answered that, if it had no changes.
[14:40] <ScottK> It's a bit of an abuse technically, but we use versioned b-d to make sure everything builds against the same version of the KDE libs.
[14:40]  * infinity nods.
[14:40] <ScottK> Just uploaded it.  Would you please review/accept when it hits the queue.
[14:40] <infinity> Sure.
[14:41] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:52] <ScottK> Had one chroot failure on nikusui while I was sleeping.  When I retried the package it landed on nikusui again and was fine.
[14:52] <ScottK> More cosmic rays I guess.
[15:21] <ScottK> infinity: What to do about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rocs/4:4.9.3-0ubuntu0.1/+build/4027053 - it finished hours ago and then, apparently, got stuck.
[15:21] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audiocd-kio/4:4.9.3-0ubuntu0.1/+build/4026342 is hung up as well, although rather earlier in the process.
[15:24] <infinity> ScottK: I can force them to get retried, but at the expense of knocking another two Pandas out for the weekend.
[15:24]  * infinity shrugs.
[15:24] <infinity> May as well.
[15:26] <ScottK> I think they are knocked out either way.
[15:26] <ScottK> Thanks.
[15:26] <infinity> Yeah, fair point.
[15:27] <infinity> Hrm, curious.  buildd-manager reaped and reassigned one of them, but not the other.
[15:29] <infinity> I think it may have forgotten that altais exists.
[15:31] <infinity> ScottK: Is this "call an emergency number" urgent, or can I see if anyone's idling this weekend to fix it, and otherwise make it happy Monday morning?
[15:31] <infinity> (Well, Sunday night when APAC gets in)
[15:31] <ScottK> Not an emergency.
[15:32] <ScottK> It has to sit iin -proposed for a week anyway.
[15:32] <ScottK> And I won't release it to updates during the weekend, so it doesn't actually affect the timeline.
[15:32]  * infinity nods.
[15:33] <ScottK> The only thing it really affects is that's one more tab in my browser I could close.
[15:33] <ScottK> ;-)
[15:33] <infinity> Heh.  It's two tabs in my browser, and a query window or two in my IRC client.
[15:33] <infinity> You can ignore it. :P
[20:10] <bdmurray> slangasek: protobuf in oneiric can be removed due to lack of verification
[21:03] <slangasek> infinity: hmm, so I hadn't accepted the ubiquity SRU yet because I don't see a test case for bugs 1068178 and 1024343; AIUI this is a race condition of some kind
[21:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1068178 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "ubi-usersetup failed with exit code 1 on preseeded - encrypted-home installations on precise" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1068178
[21:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1024343 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Quantal desktop encrypted home unable to install due to ubi-usersetup failing with exit code 1" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1024343
[21:04] <slangasek> bdmurray: removed
[21:29] <ScottK> infinity: ^^^ there you go.
[21:30] <ScottK> We might even get the powerpc swamp drained today.
[21:31] <xnox> slangasek: accepted ubiquity srun into proposed or into updates?
[21:32] <xnox> wait it is in proposed now.
[21:32]  * xnox goes to investigate.
[21:36]  * xnox commented on the bugs.
[21:37] <xnox> slangasek: the test case for the both bugs is fully automated installation via preseed file attached to one of the bugs. Which is also availalbe from ubuntu-iso-testing bzr branch and is continuously run in jenkins.
[22:38] <xnox> infinity: can you comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/1068199 is it lucid only or should be applied to other releases as well?
[22:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1068199 in eglibc (Ubuntu Lucid) "please add support for MAP_HUGETLB in eglibc for Lucid" [High,In progress]
[22:39]  * xnox should have gone to -devel.


[01:07] <valorie> oh, the bug is known
[01:07] <valorie> good deal
[04:25] <Andre_Gondim> bug 62498
[04:26] <Andre_Gondim> bug 624981
[10:33] <bilalakhtar> Whenever I am opening someone's profile on LP, some Google API error message is coming. Anyone else facing this problem?
[10:35] <persia> Everyone.  Ignore it.
[10:37] <bilalakhtar> ah ok
[10:40] <lucidfox> How should I specify the release URL pattern for SourceForge hosted downloads?
[14:03] <lantash> Can somebody increase the priority of the recipe builds (meant to be daily builds, ironically) http://bit.ly/bLehbw and http://bit.ly/bIKIw8 a bit? They've been requested over a week ago.
[14:05] <bilalakhtar> Shouldn't this channel have the +t tag?
[14:05] <bilalakhtar> since anyone can change the topic over here right now
[14:12] <lucidfox> What are recipes anyway?
[14:18] <lantash> Recipes make it possible for Launchpad to build a package from a source branch (e.g. for daily test builds). https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds
[14:18] <lantash> It considerably lowers the barrier for testing the latest code of a project, as users only need to add a PPA to their system.
[14:29] <maxb> < bilalakhtar> since anyone can change the topic over here right now  <---- and that's a useful thing
[14:30] <persia> bilalakhtar : the current state is intentional.