[02:29] <bjsnider> dupondje, what's wrong with you that you want to configure things?
[02:29] <bjsnider> j/k
[05:42] <alteregoa> if ranting raring is released, is it save to upgrade only the server stuff?
[05:42] <alteregoa> because i just need those new drivers actually used in 3.8
[05:42] <alteregoa> those higmoint drivers and stuff
[14:21] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:26] <penguin42> Hey BK
[15:06] <BluesKaj> hi penguin42
[15:25] <MarKsaitis> apt-get eqvivalent of "dpkg --force-conflicts"????
[15:31] <genii-around> MarKsaitis: There isn't one.
[15:33] <IdleOne> couldn't you just use dpkg --force-conflicts
[15:33] <IdleOne> although that command seems dangerous
[16:13] <exalt> hello how will ubuntu 13.04 handle my optimus card differently than 12.10 ?
[16:17] <bjsnider> who says it will?
[16:19] <exalt> bjsnider: various internetwebsites
[16:19] <exalt> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/meeting/21534/desktop-r-hybrid-graphics/
[16:19] <exalt> this is one for example
[16:20] <exalt> well it does not say it will but it gives me the idea that it has been given some thought
[16:20] <exalt> thats why i asked
[16:23] <penguin42> exalt: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-hybrid-graphics   still of a lot of TODOs
[16:24] <exalt> penguin42: why is there a work item "send the macbook pro to mlankhorst: TODO" ?
[16:24] <penguin42> haha
[16:25] <penguin42> exalt: I suspect so he can test/code for it
[16:25] <bjsnider> i doubt hybrid graphics will be much good for the forseeable future
[16:25] <penguin42> bjsnider: I'm told bumblebee kind of works ok
[16:26] <bjsnider> years away from it being so transparent that the user doesn't even notice it
[16:27] <penguin42> bjsnider: Problem is that on some machines you need to run with hybrid to be able to use all outputs with the default bios settings - even if you were just to stick to one of them always doing the rendering
[16:27] <exalt> penguin42: for what i know, bumblebee runs programs in a seperate xsession and then vritually displays them in the main xsession it does sound not verry efficient
[16:28] <penguin42> erk
[16:28] <penguin42> ok, that's grim
[16:29] <exalt> penguin42: but that only a little part of what bumblebee does
[16:30] <exalt> it also fixes alot of energy issues
[16:36] <bjsnider> you're in a bad situation if you have a hybrid that has no bios control over the chips
[16:36] <bjsnider> if that's not the case you can turn one of the chips off
[16:37] <penguin42> bjsnider: Some of them have full bios control, but some outputs are only connected to some chips; so on the Lenovo w520 it has the external VGA only connected to the Nvidia chip; so you can switch to discrete nvidia mode if you want to use it
[16:40] <bjsnider> exalt, if you want a firm answer you can ask this in #ubuntu-x
[16:40] <bjsnider> mlankhorst is there
[16:40] <penguin42> you can ask him if he got his macbook :-)
[16:41] <bjsnider> do they still make crackbooks? i thought handhelds had replaced them
[16:42] <dupondje> Printing to a pass protected samba printer seems to fail in Libreoffice :(
[16:42] <dupondje> quite sad :(
[16:43] <penguin42> but works from other stuff?
[16:43] <dupondje> yep, from gedit etc it works
[16:43] <penguin42> and if you get LO to print from file and then print that?
[16:43] <dupondje> Libreoffice never asks password
[16:44] <dupondje> so it fails to send print job to the samba printer
[16:44] <penguin42> oh, I didn't realise there was a mechanism to do that
[16:55] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/943881
[16:55] <dupondje> seems I opened a bug about it a year ago
[16:55] <dupondje> but nothing :(
[16:59] <penguin42> dupondje: Might be worth asking upstream; although I'm not sure where something like that is supposed to happen - I thought you submitted jobs to the printer spool - I didn't realise there was any password asking system
[18:40] <sakang> I think it's a waste to include LO 3.6.2 RC2 in the iso builds when 3.6.5 and 4.0 stable are out.
[18:41] <penguin42> sakang: I guess it's just a matter of timing, not sure where stuff is upto
[18:50] <sebsebseb> So just found this out, but it seems Ubuntu 13.04 may stay with GNOME 3.6 by default rather than using GNOME 3.8?
[18:50] <sebsebseb> ,because of the fall back mode and such
[18:50] <sebsebseb> so I was wondering if it's really going to stay with 3.6 by default or go to 3.8 or not
[18:50] <sebsebseb> can anyone confirm this?
[19:02] <jbicha> sebsebseb: yes Ubuntu 13.04 will ship with GNOME 3.6
[19:03] <jbicha> if you like bleeding edge and partly broken, check out https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3-staging/
[19:05] <sebsebseb> jbicha: you sure GNOME 3.6? even though GNOME now seems to have the new fall back mode with extensions
[19:07] <sebsebseb> jbicha: seems my choosen distro will also be going with 3.6.2 in next release rather than 3.8,  for whatever reasons,  so knowing that Ubuntu will stick with 3.6 makes me feel happyer :),  but 1.  Ubuntu uses Unity now so the version of GNOME isn't really as important as it used to be.  2.  Newer is not always better!
[19:08] <sebsebseb> I think GNOME have confussed distros to an extent at least
[19:08] <sebsebseb> when it came to fall back mode, and possbily dropping it  or making a new one and what the new one would be etc
[19:22] <exalt> thanx all
[19:51] <jbicha> sebsebseb: yes, we're definitely sticking with 3.6; gnome-settings-daemon 3.8 breaks some things on Ubuntu and even GTK 3.8 causes theming issues
[19:52] <jbicha> the Ubuntu devs just need more time to fully integrate with the GNOME updates and ensure that quality stays as high as possible
[20:04] <sebsebseb> jbicha: oh ok
[20:04] <sebsebseb> altough what does settings deamons break,  and such?
[20:07] <jbicha> sebsebseb: the thing that most annoys me is that autosuspend doesn't work, the new gnome-control-center breaks external settings panels, etc.
[20:10] <sebsebseb> auto suspend well I don't realy want my computer to suspend :d
[20:10] <sebsebseb> external settings panels what do you mean?
[20:20] <jbicha> sebsebseb: Ubuntu's Appearance panel, the Backup panel, links to Software Sources, Ubuntu One, Landscape, and Ubuntu's languageselector tool
[20:21] <jbicha> that part isn't too bad if you use GNOME Shell anyway
[20:21] <jbicha> but you can see that it breaks the Unity experience
[20:22] <rotato> I find the fonts too big by default. Forgot how i made them smaller last time i installed. How is everyone changing font size?
[20:23] <sebsebseb> jbicha: oh right I see
[20:33] <rotato> Ok i remembered that i entered a few gsettings commands in terminal i read on askubuntu. Everything is smaller now except the window title font in top left
[20:33] <rotato> I cant seem to make that smaller?
[20:47] <rotato> How about myunity or gnome tweak tool? Do these work in raring?
[21:08] <sebsebseb> computer about to go off and back on again soon after, so bye bye
[22:19] <IdleOne> interesting, for some reason my clock is displaying UTC time instead of local time
[22:20] <IdleOne> fixed it!
[22:20] <IdleOne> wonder why it changed
[22:46] <genii-around> Yes, odd
[23:19] <penguin42> any other KDE users finding that the mouse cursor is still visible under screen lock?
[23:20] <genii-around> Lemme try
[23:21] <genii-around> penguin42: Yes, still visible.
[23:24] <penguin42> genii-around: I'm on radeon free drivers - you?
[23:25] <genii-around> penguin42: nvidia-experimental-310
[23:25] <penguin42> ok, so it's not graphics driver dependent
[23:56] <yofel> penguin42: what's wrong with that? The screen locker has buttons
[23:56] <penguin42> yofel: No, I mean when it's blanked
[23:56] <yofel> ah, that would be a regression in the new one I guess
[23:57] <penguin42> it seems to have a few
[23:58] <penguin42> please tell me there is something good and new in the new one which means it was worth breaking a load of stuff


[09:29] <rmg51> Morning
[10:28] <JonathanD> morning.
[11:30] <SamuraiNeo> morning
[11:56] <JonathanD> Hi SamuraiNeo
[12:09] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys?, hamsters and everything else
[13:38] <ChinnoDog> Morning


[07:19] <alkisg> I used `apt download --print-uris` in 18.04 to get the link to the 4.18 kernel/modules, then wget them in 16.04, and amdgpu now works fine without updating mesa. Thanks!
[07:20] <tjaalton> 4.18 is eol now,btw
[07:30] <alkisg> tjaalton: I got that from a fully updated 18.04.2... maybe 5.0 will arrive shortly, I'll get that one then
[07:34] <tjaalton> alkisg: yes, it'll replace 4.18 in a week or so
[07:34] <alkisg> Ty, will get it then
[07:34] <tjaalton> around when 18.04.3 is released
[07:35] <tjaalton> though you wouldn't get any updates anyway if you just use wget
[07:38] <alkisg> Yeah, it's a temporary measure until they upgrade to 20.04 or so; they'll need to wget again periodically