[07:43] <sakhi> mooning
[07:44] <superfly> heya sakhi
[08:09] <Kilos> morning superfly and everyone else
[08:09] <Kilos> kinda cold here today
[08:09] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[08:09]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:13] <superfly> hiya Kilos
[08:13] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[08:14] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[08:14] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[08:43] <Kilos> Maaz, eish
[08:43] <Maaz> Met ys ja Kilos Met ys.
[08:45]  * Kilos looked outside early this morning and everything was spider white
[13:06] <inetpro> good morning
[13:18] <Morganvd> afternoon
[13:34] <superfly> afternoon
[13:34] <Squirm> hello
[13:41] <pascal`> hi
[16:19]  * nlsthzn-work waves
[16:19]  * Kilos waves back
[16:20] <nlsthzn-work> Hey Mr. Kilos
[16:40] <Kilos> looks like its become fashion to top post in mails
[16:47] <nlsthzn-work> Sounding like a real old school user their Mr. Kilos ;)
[16:47] <Kilos> oh
[16:48] <Kilos> and he been struggling with wireless for weeks now
[16:48] <Kilos> shame
[17:01] <nlsthzn-work> Very frustrating when things just don't want to work :/
[17:02] <Kilos> yeah. been there done that
[17:11] <Kilos> bbl
[19:28] <roryy> hello
[19:28] <Kilos> hiya roryy
[19:45] <kbmonkey> hello hello
[19:45] <kbmonkey> I have an interesting problem.
[19:46] <kbmonkey> I use lastfmsubmitd to scrobble from moc. it keeps your login in /etc/lastfmsubmit.conf
[19:47] <kbmonkey> but when I symlink the config into my /home the daemon says it cant find the config :(
[19:51] <roryy> you've checked the name and location of the symlink?
[19:55] <kbmonkey> yup I have roryy
[19:56] <roryy> well, it's a bit hacky, but you could use strace to see what files it's trying to open
[20:02] <kbmonkey> I pasted my test here, its really weird. http://pastebin.com/ShBB09qm
[20:03] <roryy> can't you specify the config file with a command-line parameter?
[20:04] <roryy> anyway, my wild guess is that it's refusing to follow the symlink on the grounds of security
[20:04] <roryy> i'd have thought something like this would be a user-level programme, not a system service
[20:05] <kbmonkey> no the config is fixed, I suspect /etc has some security that prevents this
[20:05] <kbmonkey> I never expect this either :p
[20:06] <roryy> maybe it runs as a user that doesn't have access to that file
[20:07] <roryy> anyway, i'm off to bed
[20:07] <roryy> g'night


[00:03] <cell> I don't know
[00:09] <cell> Is there a reason that Xubuntu represents a better choice for a volunteer than another open-source project such as Wikipedia or Kde, just to name two alternatives?
[00:11] <knome> cell, better is subjective. if working with xubuntu scratches your itch, then it's the ideal/best choice for you
[00:14] <cell> i do not know anyone who uses xubuntu or for that matter linux besides myself and people i have corresponded with on the internet.
[00:15] <knome> i didn't know anybody using xubuntu when i started contributing either
[00:16] <pleia2> reminds me, they use it for testing at mozilla, see: http://benjaminkerensa.com/2013/10/14/mozilla-summit-2013-santa-clara bkerensa said he'd put me in touch with the guy doing it
[00:16] <pleia2> "It was also really cool to see some automated battery life testing for Firefox OS being doing on Xubuntu the XFCE Community-Driven Flavor of Ubuntu."
[00:16] <knome> cool :)
[00:18] <pleia2> most of my work team uses it too, then they nag me "hey pleia2, you work on xubuntu, can you..."
[00:18] <knome> lol
[00:18] <knome> you can direct them to me
[00:18] <knome> and i can grumble for them
[00:18] <pleia2> one of my colleagues uses a different window manager, wanted us to make it easier :)
[00:19] <knome> how does that make anything easier? ;)
[00:20] <pleia2> er, make out switching out the WM easier
[00:20] <pleia2> -out
[00:20] <knome> heh, okay...
[00:20] <pleia2> I think he did something crazy like symlink the xfwm binary to the one he wanted
[00:20] <knome> >__<
[00:20] <pleia2> hehe
[00:21] <knome> i guess if that works for them..
[00:22] <Unit193> Can't you just change xfce4-session?
[00:22] <Unit193> xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-session.xml:        <value type="string" value="xfwm4"/>
[00:22] <Unit193> xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-session.xml-        <value type="string" value="--replace"/>
[00:25] <cell> i like xubuntu. lately, the software manager has been crashing though.
[00:26] <pleia2> Unit193: the obvious solutions weren't working well, I don't remember the specifics
[00:27] <pleia2> I can't find that wiki page where we were putting interview ideas for our site
[00:27]  * pleia2 fails at wiki
[00:27] <knome> pleia2, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Projects/XubuntuAt
[00:28] <pleia2> knome: yep, saw that and totally didn't read it, thanks
[00:30] <Unit193> Great, now I'm trying it. >_<
[00:32] <pleia2> he uses xmonad
[00:34] <cell> one thing i'm grateful to xubuntu for is encouraging me to explore and use Xchat. there are a lot of channels out here. I used to play Wesnoth, but now I think I'd rather chat
[00:43] <Unit193> pleia2: Yeah, I just switched to openbox, was pretty easy.  Just edited /etc/xdg/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-session.xml and /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-session.xml, but don't think you need to edit both.
[00:43] <pleia2> Unit193: try xmonad?
[00:44] <pleia2> maybe it was something specific to the wm
[00:45] <Unit193> Your fault if I can't figure out how to get out of it, sure. ;)
[00:45] <Unit193> Erm, maybe in a VM.
[00:47] <Unit193> Holy crap, what did I do to my desktop?!
[00:48] <Unit193> He uses this by default?
[00:48] <Unit193> I'm so confused, but it works fine, pleia2 .
[00:48] <knome> :)
[00:49] <pleia2> haha
[00:51] <Unit193> Note Note to self, pleia2 has bad ideas. :P
[00:51] <Unit193> (Kidding!)
[00:51] <pleia2> Unit193: I have passed along your suggestion!
[00:51] <pleia2> < clarkb> pleia2: neat, that seems better than my hack
[00:51] <knome> why is he hiding!
[00:51] <pleia2> not hiding, just working :)
[00:52] <knome> pleia2, that leaves us the question... what are *you* doing?
[00:52] <pleia2> waiting for my code to compile?
[00:52] <Unit193> pleia2: Heh, sure.  Works fine here (well, as much as an unconfigured xmonad does.)
[00:52] <knome> a question mark? you are unsure?
[00:53] <pleia2> knome: no one compiles code anymore, but the joke remains
[00:53] <knome> pleia2, no?
[00:53] <knome> :)
[00:53] <pleia2> we all write in python!
[00:54] <Unit193> Do we get to ask him how he uses xmonad? :P
[00:54] <pleia2> you know sysadmins, their brains work weird
[00:54] <knome> a screenshot at least...
[00:55] <pleia2> hah, I'll see what I can do
[00:56] <Unit193> pleia2: If he doesn't use xfce4-session, another method is used.
[00:56] <knome> you? wouldn't it be easier to ask him to take the screenshot than try to sneak one? :P
[00:56] <Unit193> But sure, glad to help
[00:57] <pleia2> Unit193: ah, thanks, that may be the case
[00:57] <pleia2> knome: we are actually working, need to stop distracting with random things :)
[00:57] <knome> go away then :P
[00:57] <pleia2> hahah
[00:57] <knome> (and let me go to sleep)
[00:57] <pleia2> go to sleep!
[00:58] <knome> (i can't go since i need to distract you as long as you get distracted)
[00:59] <Unit193> If he's not using xfce4-session, then /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc is the file to look at.
[00:59] <Unit193> line 144/199
[01:01] <Unit193> # this is only necessary when running w/o xfce4-session
[01:01] <Unit193> xsetroot -solid black -cursor_name watch
[01:01] <Unit193> Weird...
[01:01] <brainwash> wouldn't an autostart entry do the trick?
[01:08] <Unit193> xfce4-session/xfsm-fadeout.c:          gdk_window_set_background (window, &black);  so, does that mean xfce4-session sets the color too?
[01:11] <Unit193> ali1234: Heh, I get the seemless login if I chmod -x xfce4-session and xsetroot. :D
[01:15] <Unit193> So the black isn't actually the video card at least.
[01:16] <brainwash> xfsm-fadeout.c?
[01:17] <brainwash> it's that something different?
[01:17] <brainwash> like when you open the shutdown dialog
[01:18] <Unit193> I just did a quick grep because of the comment, that may not be the right src file at all, but something in there seems to be doing it.
[01:21] <brainwash> I did not notice any black screen so far
[01:21] <brainwash> after login
[01:22] <brainwash> I just wish that we can push all the changes and start testing/enjoying them
[02:26] <Unit193> All you need is two ppas to try it, in theory.
[02:37] <sergio-br2> when i use 2 keyboard (portuguese and english, for example), there is no icon to change between them, in xfce panel?
[02:38] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, Isn't that what the xkb plugin is meant to do?
[02:38] <sergio-br2> i don't know... i mean something like in ubuntu unity
[02:39] <sergio-br2> i included other language key, but there is no icon in panel. I have to Add this manually?
[02:42] <Noskcaj> install xfce4-xkb-plugin, then add it to the panel
[02:43] <Noskcaj> We probably need to advertise that xubuntu can do that better. Maybe even a "dual-languages" installer option
[02:50] <sergio-br2> humm, it's already installed
[02:51] <sergio-br2> so, it couldn't be automatic to add an xkb-plugin in top panel?
[02:53] <sergio-br2> ohh yeah, now i understood, it can do that better even
[02:54] <sergio-br2> hey, it has the country flag :D
[03:19] <bluesabre> elfy, forestpiskie: what details are you wanting on menulibre?
[04:32] <zero6688> hi, anyone knows the default user name and password for xubuntu 14.04 a1
[04:33] <zero6688> when i run it via live cd, it asks me the username and password, but no one mentions it
[04:34] <Unit193> Select the Xubuntu session too, and English language from the top right options, username is xubuntu and password is blank.
[04:35] <zero6688> thanks
[04:35] <zero6688> :)
[04:35] <sergio-br2> see this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1261660/comments/4
[04:35] <sergio-br2> if you forget this, you will enter in xfce session, instead of xubuntu session
[04:37] <zero6688> looks nice than 12.04 ;)
[04:37] <sergio-br2> Unity193, where can i track one bug from lightdm-gtk-greeter?
[04:38] <sergio-br2> Noskcaj, do you know?
[04:38] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, do you just mean subscribe to it?
[04:38] <sergio-br2> i mean put it in iso.qa
[04:39] <sergio-br2> or packages.qa
[04:39] <sergio-br2> there is no test case for lightdm in xubuntu
[04:40] <zero6688> actually i found that after type the username, i clicked "Enter", but it doesn't work, i need to press the "Login" button.
[04:41] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, Maybe in a iso install test
[04:41] <Noskcaj> or write a test for it
[04:42] <sergio-br2> zero6688, try to Tab to password, and press Enter.
[04:43] <zero6688> ok
[04:43] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, lubuntu have a lightdm testcase. I'll get someone to try and copy it to xubuntu
[04:43] <sergio-br2> ok
[04:43] <zero6688> i found the chinese translation is much better than previous versions
[04:44] <sergio-br2> because i didn't know how to do it :)
[04:46] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, For the gthumb website bug, can you contact upstream gthumb about it?
[04:46] <Noskcaj> or make a patch, which should be super easy
[04:46] <sergio-br2> Noskcaj, i have to learn how to do that
[04:46] <Noskcaj> It's not enough reason to fail the test though
[04:47] <sergio-br2> or to do an patch
[04:47] <Noskcaj> to make a patch for this, just find what file the website link is in and change it.
[04:47] <sergio-br2> hum, ok, i will see that
[04:48] <sergio-br2> maybe more easy mainstream?
[04:48] <Noskcaj> http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/patches-to-packages.html should have the full instructions
[04:48] <sergio-br2> it's good for me
[04:48] <sergio-br2> thanks
[04:48] <Noskcaj> When you get a patch made up, i'll have it into debian, ubuntu, and upstream within the week
[04:51] <Noskcaj> I've just contacted upstream about it, and i am the debian maintainer
[04:54] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, do you know any programming languages?
[04:56] <sergio-br2> yeah, a little, like C, java, matlab (gnu octave and scilab)
[04:57] <sergio-br2> bash, a little too
[05:00] <sergio-br2> and i want to learn python and C++
[05:01] <Noskcaj> You're far better than i am then. Please patch whatever you can
[05:03] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, Next time you test gthumb, would you mind trying to confirm bug 1240169? if it's still there, upstream will fix it
[05:03] <sergio-br2> haha, ok, but i have to learn this patch thing
[05:03] <sergio-br2> haha
[05:04] <sergio-br2> interesting
[05:05] <Noskcaj> :)
[05:06] <Noskcaj> My simple guide to patching: 1. Do changes. 2. Run "dpkg-source --commit" 3. check header of patch. 4. "quilt push && quilt refresh && quilt pop" 5. commit and upload
[05:06] <Noskcaj> (if it's in a bzr branch)
[05:07] <sergio-br2> :D
[05:07] <sergio-br2> ok
[05:08] <sergio-br2> the source is in gthum-dev?
[05:11] <sergio-br2> i think yes
[05:12] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, bzr branch lp:ubuntu/gthumb
[05:12] <Noskcaj> -dev adds headers for other packages building
[05:12] <Noskcaj> Does anyone think we should SRU gthumb? bug 1261589
[05:13] <sergio-br2> i saw it, but i think it's invalid to trusty, non?
[05:13] <Noskcaj> yep
[05:13] <sergio-br2> the trusty version is update
[05:17] <Noskcaj> I don't know how to nominate for a distroseries, so leave it for the time being
[05:18] <Noskcaj> lderan, FYI, gthumb is probably able to introspect properly
[05:41] <sergio-br2> Noskcaj, i do dpkg-source --commit in ~/gthumb/
[05:42] <sergio-br2> but but: error: no upstream tarball
[05:43] <sergio-br2> i found the file to change, it is gthumb/gthumb/gth-browser-actions-callbacks.c
[05:46] <Unit193> sergio-br2: If you did apt-get source, use dpkg-source commit, if you did a bzr branch, use bzr diff.
[05:47] <sergio-br2> ok thanks
[06:00] <sergio-br2> Noskcaj, i will see later it, take a rest zZzzZ
[06:01] <sergio-br2> Unity193, Noskcaj, thanks, bye
[06:04] <Unit193> Unit != unity
[06:04] <Unit193> Sure.
[07:26] <elfy> bluesabre: I just need to have some idea of where menulibre is at the moment - when it's ready enought so we can use to get a testcase ready, then let me know via m/l you want it testing
[07:27] <elfy> just more than - the vagueness I manage to pick up in here from backlogs
[09:37] <Unit193> cyberrufus: Howdy.
[10:00] <slickymaster> morning all
[11:05] <bluesabre> elfy, I'll let you know via the M/L when its ready
[11:05] <bluesabre> that's why I sent that email out last week :)
[13:03] <elfy> bluesabre: thanks :)
[15:17] <sergio-br2> Noskcaj
[16:01] <sergio-br2> Noskcaj, could you see if my patch is correct? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gthumb/+bug/1262861
[16:11] <ElderDryas> Quick question re: 14.04A1 iso...by my count it takes 7 clicks/pages (from the xubuntu home page) to get to where one can actually download the iso.  Am I just being my normal, early (for me) morning, no tea yet, self and can't see the obvious link?
[16:15] <ElderDryas> Or, as I just thought of, is this a commitment test? :)
[16:15] <slickymaster> ElderDryas: you're about right, 7 is the exact number to get it ;)
[16:19] <slickymaster> ElderDryas: see it this way: 7 is the number of the natural world. There are 7 days in the week, 7 notes on the musical scale and 7 directions (left, right, up, down, forward, back and center) ;)
[16:21] <ElderDryas> ah, I thought you were trying to go Monty Python one better.
[16:21] <slickymaster> LOL
[16:23] <ElderDryas> people must be hammering the canonical servers this morning, the DL is really slow.
[16:24] <eric_the_idiot_> jjfrv8, the Wallpaper for Workspace X display in xfdesktop has more possible options when doing multi-monitor setups.  Git master also adds an infobar to the mix. The code starts at: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/tree/settings/main.c#n678
[16:46] <sergio-br2> it seems that xfce session has broken configs...
[16:47] <jjfrv8> eric_the_idiot_, thanks for the tip. I had gotten some screenshots of the "Wallpaper for %s" but not the infobar.
[16:47] <sergio-br2> some configuration is reset, like font hint.
[16:47] <jjfrv8> I'll get set up again and try to capture the infobar.
[16:48] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, you still around?
[17:02] <andrzejr> guys, how in correctly configured xubuntu does xfconfd start?
[17:03] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: yes
[17:08] <slickymaster> jjfrv8, I'll be back later after dinner (21:00 UTC)
[17:13] <amerigena> a couple questions, if people don't mind me asking?
[17:15] <holstein> amerigena: support question? those should ideally be in #xubuntu if xubuntu related
[17:20] <amerigena> Nope, it has to do with testing Alpha 1.
[17:20] <holstein> maybe #ubuntu+1 ?
[17:21] <holstein> no one will likely care if you ask here
[17:24] <jjfrv8> eric_the_idiot_, I see in the code what the infobar should say but I don't see it when I bring up the dialog
[17:24] <jjfrv8> where should I look for it?
[17:24] <jjfrv8> is it recent code that is not in the PPA maybe?
[17:26] <eric_the_idiot_> Probably. I haven't done another xfdesktop release yet unless there are daily PPAs
[17:27] <eric_the_idiot_> http://imgur.com/WYQTsxM
[17:29] <jjfrv8> yeah, definitely not seeing that
[17:29] <eric_the_idiot_> guess I need to do a dev release :)
[17:30] <jjfrv8> okay, will ochosi let us know when and where to get it?
[17:32] <eric_the_idiot_> yeah, I imagine it should make it into the 4.12 ppa
[17:33] <jjfrv8> okay, thanks for the heads up. We definitely want to capture that for the docs.
[17:34] <sergio-br2> Noskcaj, or other that know that, theres is no icons for sound and keyboard panel gtk3 plugin?
[17:34] <eric_the_idiot_> Indeed, thanks for helping to write the docs for it
[17:38] <sergio-br2> and it's missing network too...
[17:38] <sergio-br2> it's the normal behavior?
[17:48] <jjfrv8> bbl
[18:11] <amerigena> When the alpha of 14.04 is installed, is Xfwm4 4.11.0 the default or not?
[18:28] <brainwash> sergio-br2: no icons or no indicators for sound/keyboard/..?
[18:29] <brainwash> sound icon sometimes does not load, you can restart the indicator service until it does finally load the icon
[18:31] <brainwash> if an indicator won't show up at all, take a look at the official wiki article
[18:31] <brainwash> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Gtk3Indicators
[18:31] <brainwash> "Indicators may fail to load"
[18:40] <sergio-br2> brainwash, ok
[19:00] <MarcFalck> http://oi42.tinypic.com/etvbx4.jpg is this invisible tab a 14.04 issue?
[19:01] <MarcFalck> also for some reason images are associated with firefox by default
[19:02] <Noskcaj> Where's the original bug for bug 1263188 ?
[19:12] <sergio-br2> hey guys, are there problem to attachment files in xubuntu mailing list?
[19:14] <pleia2> sergio-br2: there is a size limit on what you can send, so it's best to give a link
[19:14] <pleia2> unless it's a small file (a few kb)
[19:16] <sergio-br2> ok
[19:17] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, bug 1262861 got fixed at https://git.gnome.org/browse/gthumb/commit/?id=908c8b019432737df5ce048433984d3a1763d726
[19:30] <sergio-br2> Noskcaj, is it right?
[19:31] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, the website part is done, upstream should fix the copyright thing soon. I'll upload the patch in my next debian upload
[19:33] <brainwash> Noskcaj: power-manager-systemd seems to work fine, we got some positive test results (except from elfy :P)
[19:33] <elfy> who'll get ignored - but doesn't care
[19:33] <brainwash> are there still some packaging problems unsolved?
[19:35] <elfy> these 'fixes' need really to be testes in vanilla installs so we can be sure
[19:35] <brainwash> it's trusty after all
[19:35] <brainwash> we just push the package into the proposed
[19:36] <elfy> anyway - have fun
[19:36] <elfy> cya
[19:36] <brainwash> and let people test some more
[19:39] <pleia2> amerigena: your mail to the -devel list was too big, was there an attachment or something? could you put it somewhere else and resend?
[19:44] <Noskcaj> brainwash, Adding the patch forces us to disable autoreconf
[19:46] <brainwash> so we need to patch the debian package first?
[19:49] <Noskcaj> If you put it in the xfce git, i assume it would break autogen.sh too
[19:51] <brainwash> I assume adding patches should not be a problem, so the content of these systemd support patches is somehow causing trouble?
[19:52] <sergio-br2> pleia2, i sent other message to mailing list, now with images in imageshack, sorry
[20:02] <Noskcaj> brainwash, yeah
[20:10] <Noskcaj> brainwash, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6607547/ is the error i get
[20:32] <brainwash> error: HAVE_SYSTEMD does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL
[20:32] <brainwash> I see
[22:52] <brainwash> sergio-br2: comment out the custom configuration for the right-click bottom area in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf and check if it disables right-click for you
[22:52] <brainwash> xfce4-settings seems to do everything correct and synclient confirms the changes
[22:53] <brainwash> so 50-synaptics.conf might be the cause
[22:54] <sergio-br2> hum, found it
[22:56] <brainwash> did anything change after you've edited the file?
[22:56] <sergio-br2> no, i will reboot
[22:56] <brainwash> right
[22:56] <brainwash> you will need to restart X I guess
[22:58] <sergio-br2> no, i reboot, change "Tap touchpad to click", and nothing
[22:58] <sergio-br2> it continues to right click
[23:03] <brainwash> strange
[23:04] <brainwash> I cannot test it right now
[23:04] <brainwash> so I will add a comment to the bug report later, if the change works for me
[23:05] <sergio-br2> ok
[23:35] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, for bug 1261173 , just file an identical bug in debian. Or join the debian filesystems team and help maintain it (see http://bugs.debian.org/723596 )
[23:35] <Noskcaj> to report the debian bug, either use your email or "reportbug PACKAGE"
[23:38] <sergio-br2> but reportbug will work in ubuntu?
[23:39] <sergio-br2> Noskcaj, is it a valid bug report, if i use reportbug in ubuntu?
[23:40] <Noskcaj> it will be fine, but you'll have to tell report bug to pretend you're on debian. (it will tell you how)
[23:40] <Noskcaj> Or just go via your email
[23:42] <sergio-br2> f2fs is in canonicals plan support?
[23:43] <sergio-br2> gparted supports f2fs, ubiquity no
[23:44] <Noskcaj> ?
[23:44] <xnox> sergio-br2: ubiquity doesn't use gparted for partitioning.
[23:44] <sergio-br2> I mean, canonical is seeing Trim things to 14.04, but a File System...
[23:45] <sergio-br2> yeah, i know it
[23:45] <sergio-br2> ubiquity don't use even the same unity of gparted...
[23:46] <sergio-br2> you use MiB in gparted, and ubiquity uses MB and GB... it's strange...
[23:46] <xnox> sergio-br2: i believe ubiquity uses https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy
[23:47] <sergio-br2> there is no consistency in Live session, Ubiquity and Gparted do things different...
[23:47] <sergio-br2> nops, ubiquity utilise MB.
[23:48] <sergio-br2> and it is an issue for SSD or SD cards, because you can not align with Erase Block
[23:49] <xnox> sergio-br2: correct, ubiquity uses base-10 units, for disk sizes.
[23:49] <sergio-br2> or maybe I'm talking nonsense
[23:49] <xnox> sergio-br2: it's not an issue for SSD nor SD cards, as parted actually does optimal alignment in ubiquity.
[23:49] <sergio-br2> i don't know, but i think ubuntu is not ready for SSD...
[23:49] <xnox> sergio-br2: you'll notice partition table gaps and offsets.
[23:50] <xnox> sergio-br2: maybe you should investigate and make an informed opinion.
[23:50] <xnox> sergio-br2: rather than making false claims.
[23:51] <sergio-br2> xnox, but, if my SSD or card has 4 MiB of Erase block, and i do 100 MB partition in ubiquity, i think it will not align, dunno...
[23:51] <sergio-br2> yeah, i'm not sure if i'm making false claims
[23:52] <xnox> sergio-br2: first of all SSDs and SDCards do not report erase blocks to the kernel / userspace, one can find it out using experimental methods e.g. using flashbench package.
[23:53] <sergio-br2> but for from the point of view of a user, there is inconsistency between gparted and ubiquity. At least in the partition values
[23:53] <xnox> sergio-br2: and ubiquity aligns by default to a base-2 values, which can be a few, but on most typical installs ends up 2MiB i believe.
[23:54] <xnox> thus although it's not the best, it's mostly an even multiple of 4MiB.
[23:54] <xnox> ask gparted to use correct units.
[23:54] <xnox> and gparted is not a user-facing tool, like ubiquity is.
[23:54] <sergio-br2> but... what is the correct units?
[23:55] <xnox> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy
[23:55] <sergio-br2> yeah, i'm reading
[23:56] <sergio-br2> but for me, MiB is the "normal" unity
[23:56] <sergio-br2> but for Samsung or Kingston, it is MB...
[23:56] <sergio-br2> because MB ">" MiB
[23:57] <xnox> "unity - the state of being united or joined as a whole." or "unity - (mathematics) the number one."
[23:57] <xnox> I think you mean "units"
[23:57] <sergio-br2> yeah, units, sorry
[23:58] <sergio-br2> english is not my strong
[23:58] <xnox> sergio-br2: if I go to a store and buy a 16GB phone, and plug into my computer, i want to see 16GB phone, and partitions/data/filesystems/reserved space adding up to 16GB.
[23:58] <xnox> sergio-br2: so disk-drives should use units as advertised (tm) ;-)
[23:58] <xnox> sergio-br2: anything else, is confusing.
[23:58] <sergio-br2> yeah, it makes sense
[23:59] <xnox> sergio-br2: Mac OS X also uses base-10 units for disk space, and base-2 units for RAM. Just like ubuntu.
[23:59] <xnox> sergio-br2: there are inconsistencies in units on Windows, where base-10 prefixes are used for base-2 values =/
[23:59] <sergio-br2> and normaly, users thinks that it is less RAM :)


[01:03] <apachelogger> !find Xlib-xcb.h
[01:03] <apachelogger> ubottu: thank you :P
[01:18] <sreich> hm, well that's a misleading statement ;p
[01:51] <apachelogger> sreich: everything is misleading with you
[01:51] <sreich> pssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
[10:35] <ScottK> Sigh.
[10:36] <ScottK> bug 1040259 means a lot of stuff is screwed up.
[10:39] <Tm_T> -ab
[10:55] <Riddell> ScottK: screwed up so it doesn't compile or does it need a recompile?
[11:19] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1076943] package libqt4-declarative 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.2 failed to install/upgrade: failed in write o... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1076943 (by Liam P Boyle)
[11:54] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1076964] plasma-desktop freezes with skype launcher and Icons-Only Task Manager @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1076964 (by Manuel López-Ibáñez)
[12:17] <yofel__> ScottK: could you please accept skanlite in quantal-proposed when you have the time? It's a rebuild to get the translations back (bug 1076106)
[12:21] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1076943] package libqt4-declarative 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.2 failed to install/upgrade: failed in write o... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1076943 (by Liam P Boyle)
[12:59] <yofel__> !testers
[12:59] <yofel__> for anyone that's still on precise: 4.9.3 finally finished building in staging if someone can test it
[13:04] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:06] <Tm_T> I will install 4.9.3 packages today when work week is over
[13:06] <Tm_T> to 12.10
[13:20] <shadeslayer> yofel_: will test later this evening
[13:52] <ScottK> Riddell: They made a new API and such so apparently KDE apps don't work with Indicators in Gnome/Unity.
[13:54] <ScottK> yofel__: Doing.
[13:55] <ScottK> yofel__: Bug should have a test case and such.  Please fix.
[13:56] <ScottK> bug 1076106
[13:56] <jussi> Hrm, ScottK Riddell et al, can we try reschedule the CC catchup for KC? It currently falls on my birthday...
[13:56] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1076964] plasma-desktop freezes with skype launcher and Icons-Only Task Manager @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1076964 (by Manuel López-Ibáñez)
[13:56] <ScottK> Nevermind on that last bit.
[13:58] <Riddell> jussi: mm wasn't that last month?
[13:58] <jussi> Riddell: no, its for the R cycle, so next year, april
[13:59] <jussi> see the mail to the ubuntu council teams list
[13:59] <jussi> Riddell: just forwarded to you for easy finiding :D
[14:00] <Riddell> jussi: cor they're planning ahead
[14:00] <Riddell> well feel free to ask them to reschedule, I've no idea what I'm doing on that day
[14:03] <jussi> ok :D
[14:05] <yofel__> thanks ScottK
[14:06] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Muon Updater feature request: Pause button for downloads.  I sitting here working off of a tethered cel phone and am installing a big set of updates.  Because I'm bandwidth constrained, there have been a few times when it would have been nice to be able to pause the update download so other stuff would be faster.
[14:08] <jussi> ScottK: JontheEchidna BIG plus on this one.
[14:11] <ScottK> Run in fear.
[14:11]  * ScottK is about to do Perl.
[14:11] <jussi> hehe
[14:11]  * jussi hides from the monster ScottK is about to create
[14:14] <ScottK> Alert canceled.
[14:14] <ScottK> It turns out to be a feature, not a bug, so no Perl changes needed.
[14:31] <Riddell> https://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/8169377493  Kubuntu people at UDS!
[14:34] <shadeslayer> :D
[14:39] <BluesKaj> no names or captions
[14:41] <BluesKaj> anyway 13.04  X server is broken, initramfs fails
[14:53] <yofel__> hm, I recognise Rohan, jr, alex and aurelien on that pic, don't think I've met the rest yet
[15:14] <ScottK> The one that looks like his badge is resting on jr's head is me.
[15:14] <ScottK> Tm_T is between me and agateau.
[15:15] <ScottK> The one I'm giving rabbit ears is Quintasan_.
[15:15] <ScottK> SteveRiley is the other one giving him rabbit ears.
[15:15] <ScottK> I don't know who the guy on the end is.
[15:21] <Tm_T> Riddell: was that the "funny face" picture?
[15:25] <BluesKaj> ScottK, which pic ?
[15:25] <ScottK> https://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/8169377493
[15:26] <Tm_T> this is prolly the least insane picture of me https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-4ms8nAQRspI/UJbd-DCe3fI/AAAAAAAAF-k/R8i47ii5tHw/s903/DSC_0369.JPG
[15:26] <BluesKaj> I know very few of you by your given names
[15:28] <Tm_T> I'm getting highly annoyed with Unity desktop
[15:29] <yofel__> thanks ScottK  :D
[16:10] <agateau> iirc, the guy on the end is Michael Hasselmann, developer of the Maliit virtual keyboard
[16:23] <afiestas> SteveRiley: ping
[16:36] <apachelogger> ScottK: were the badges so heavy? :P
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I'm unsure if APT has the capabilities to pause downloads and still retain the connection to the archive server/mirror...
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> At any rate, cancelling the transaction and starting it again will in effect do the same thing, since APT keeps the archives it has downloaded, as well as partial archives
[17:14] <BluesKaj> ...BBL
[18:49] <shadeslayer> yofel_: from the looks of it, 4.9.3 for precise is still building : https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+builds?build_state=pending
[18:50] <yofel_> shadeslayer: looks like launchpad doesn't auto-cancel superseded builds o.O
[18:50] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:50] <yofel_> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+packages?batch=200 shows all built
[18:51] <shadeslayer> durrr ... I just relinquished command of the Futurama machine to my cousin, can't watch Futurama now
[18:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: adding and upgrading in a moment, will let you know :)
[18:52] <yofel> thanks
[18:53]  * yofel filed bug 1077116 in hope for some insight
[19:04] <yofel> lol
[19:04] <yofel> nepomuk managed to break apt-btrfs-snapshot
[19:04] <yofel> http://paste.kde.org/600890
[19:05] <yofel> we need a strigi blacklist :/
[19:07] <shadeslayer> good thing strigi is gone then eh?
[19:07] <yofel> yeah
[19:08] <yofel> unless the replacement does the same thing ^^
[19:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: upgrade went fin
[19:22] <shadeslayer> *fine
[19:22] <shadeslayer> lemme logout to check
[19:25] <shadeslayer> yofel: looks good
[19:26] <yofel> nice
[19:27] <shadeslayer> cya
[19:27] <BluesKaj> yofel, 13.04 is still broken here , just a differnt error message now , "Xinit: connection to X server lost."
[19:32] <yofel> fun, I'm trying not to reboot currently ^^
[19:33] <yofel> apachelogger: any idea what could've fixed kde bug 309045?
[19:36] <apachelogger> yofel: yeah, I did :P
[19:37] <apachelogger> http://commits.kde.org/kmix/d1344b63ded3b53dff44794f8e17e67ca530de9e
[19:37] <yofel> is that backportable to 4.9?
[19:38] <apachelogger> though that change is incomplete for some cases with multiple devices and changing the master mixer in which case it would not correctly update all the appearances
[19:38] <apachelogger> the entire fix however required more invasive changes
[19:38] <apachelogger> so no, I'd not say it is backportable
[19:38] <yofel> ok
[19:38] <apachelogger> not from an upstream POV at least
[19:42] <apachelogger> http://commits.kde.org/kmix/5c57272add398124256cd4f8240b219db3e5128d and e6f431536265f376a7ced22fdeaf31f208d94a1a are the follow ups containing a general change to more dynamic behavior
[19:43] <apachelogger> yofel: thinking about it one could probably do it by building ontop of my original fix and get a relatively non-invasive patch
[19:44] <apachelogger> actually IIRC it would be sufficient to simply recreate the internal objects
[19:44] <apachelogger> i.e. move the recreating from entire KSNI to only members of KSNI
[19:44] <apachelogger> not sure whether that's worth the effort though
[19:45]  * apachelogger leaves it for yofel to decide
[19:46] <apachelogger> also I would rather target LTS
[19:49] <yofel> well, I've never touched anything KSNI related so I'm not going to do anything there now :/
[19:50] <yofel> I'll open a bug later so I have somewhere to put the links
[19:54] <Tm_T> I wanted to try and see if Unity desktop is worth using currently
[19:56] <Tm_T> I think I learned my lesson, KDE ->
[19:57] <yofel> now that's fun. Thanks to nepmoukfilewatch I can't install anything anymore on my eeePC because it crashes apt-btrfs-snapshot
[19:58]  * yofel turnes nepomuk off again
[20:06] <apachelogger> vHanda: ^
[20:10] <yofel> http://paste.kde.org/600944 as apt-btrfs-snapshot temporarily mounts the main rootfs and nepomuk immediately tries the check the files in there locking the mountpoint
[20:12] <apachelogger> why does nepmuk watch /tmp? Oo
[20:14] <Tm_T> user configuration gone bad?
[20:14] <yofel> dunno
[20:15] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/09/plasma-desktopB32746.png
[20:16]  * apachelogger wanted to communicate something and forgot what it was
[20:16] <yofel> hm...
[20:16] <apachelogger> ah yes
[20:16] <apachelogger> why is that kcm called desktop search?
[20:16] <apachelogger> what is a desktop search even?
[20:16] <apachelogger> does this search my desktop? because on my desktop are exactly zero files
[20:24] <apachelogger> anyone feeling artistic and wants to create a mockup for an 'about kubuntu' dialog?
[20:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what happens when I reboot while muon is installing stuff?
[20:26] <rbelem> hey guys
[20:27] <yofel> hi rbelem
[20:27] <rbelem> i need some help to translate dantti's wife letter
[20:27] <rbelem> http://notes.kde.org/dantti-letter-en
[20:40] <rbelem> afiestas, ^
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: muon inhibits reboot via powerdevil
[22:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you thought of everything, eh? :S
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> :P


[12:07] <tiris_> I guess the problem I run into is...there is a lot of documentation for really new people i.e. here is how to look into the file system and how to change your password but...and there are lots of documents for the people who have been using this stuff for years...but I can't find things that are intermediate.
[12:08] <tiris_> @#$& James that only works for the programs offered in the ubuntu universe.
[12:08] <tiris_> I think I hit him too hard.
[12:08] <tiris_> *sigh*
[03:13] <mhz> hi
[03:16] <zakame> hey mhz
[03:16] <mhz> zakame: how's it going?
[03:17] <zakame> mhz: helping out -motu with mom :)
[03:17] <arkan0x> mhz, !
[03:17] <arkan0x> mhz, ping
[03:17] <mhz> zakame: whatttt???
[03:18] <mhz> pong
[03:19] <zakame> mhz: merging/syncing debian back into ubuntu :)
[03:19] <mhz> ahhhhhhhhhhhh
[03:19] <mhz> zakame: and 'mom'?
[03:19] <mhz> your mother?
[03:22] <\sh> Merge O Matic
[03:22] <\sh> Keybuks Invention :)
[03:22] <mhz> ahhhhhhhhh
[03:22] <mhz> rlz
[03:22] <\sh> http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/ubz/20051031/P1000097.JPG.html <- this is MoM
[04:22] <mhz> re
[04:23] <mhz> hmmm, the fonts I see to control applications such us Firefox are too big.
[04:23] <mhz> texts are ok, but buttons are too big
[04:46] <dabaR> hey, what package source are the sources of gnu utils, like cp? coreutils?
[04:46] <dabaR> *are they in...
[05:16] <mhz> dabaR: hmmm, no idea
[05:20] <dabaR> no eh...
[05:20] <dabaR> ok.
[05:21] <dabaR> I was wondering, cause I am reading some text, so I wanted to see the sources, how available they are;)
[06:03] <mhz> hehehehe
[06:04] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:04] <mhz> highvoltage: I have uploaded my hackergotchi you requested this morning (https://launchpad.net/people/mhz)
[06:04] <mhz> jsgotangco: how's it going?
[06:04] <mhz> millions of users satisfied?
[06:05] <jsgotangco> pretty good
[06:05] <jsgotangco> whats the use of the hackergotchi?
[06:06] <mhz> don't know.
[06:06] <jsgotangco> ok i'm going to reboot this machine frist
[06:07] <jsgotangco> brb
[06:07] <mhz> ok
[06:18] <mhz> jsgotangco: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19971221&mode=classic
[06:18] <mhz> LOL!!!
[06:19] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:19] <jsgotangco> deja vu
[06:20] <mhz> hahaha, 'deja vu'
[06:20] <mhz> incredibly true
[06:21] <jsgotangco> reminded me of my first job
[06:22] <mhz> wow! customer service, too?
[06:23] <mhz> this was my 'deja vu' : http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20020720&mode=classic
[06:30] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[06:33] <jsgotangco> mhz, how's the planning for the Edubuntour?
[06:34] <mhz> good and bad
[06:34] <jsgotangco> tell me about the bad first
[06:34] <mhz> good= there's a small biz who is willing to help us and is very well related to teachers all over chile (over 6000 teachers DB)
[06:35] <mhz> heheh
[06:35] <mhz> sorry
[06:35] <mhz> good= about 25 teachers have seen edubuntu in action, and they've loved it
[06:36] <mhz> good= over 40 students have seen it, and they loved it
[06:36] <mhz> bad= Chilean gov. have have signed contracts with MS for schools
[06:37] <mhz> bad= Chilean Gov. did not know about edubuntu and started helping Edulinux
[06:38] <mhz> neutral= no funds yet to rent a place and demo to lots of people at once (this is cheaper than traveling among schools)
[06:38] <jsgotangco> Edulinux?
[06:38] <mhz> yup
[06:38] <mhz> RMP based distro
[06:39] <mhz> very good= my enthusiasm has not lowered
[06:41] <mhz> very good=  we'll kick some butts here
[06:41] <mhz> 'coz Gov. has no idea how to implement linux on schools
[06:42] <mhz> they have provided some PCs to schools but no training has been effective yet
[06:42] <mhz> About EduLinux
[06:42] <mhz> Based on Mandrake Linux 9.1, EduLinux is a specialized distribution for education and office use. It is aimed at the general public as well as educational and community environments. It was developed and compiled at the Universit de Sherbrooke's Faculty of Engineering and is intended to be easy to use and perfectly adapted to Quebec's linguistic environment.
[06:52] <mhz> what pisses me off is that in Chile, many claim they have 'developed it'. That is not true, AFAIK.
[07:02] <mhz> well, I'm off to bed
[08:49] <Burgundavia> bon soir magnon
[08:49] <magnon> bonjour :)
[08:50] <magnon> working at my old junior high today
[08:50] <Burgundavia> hmm
[08:50] <Burgundavia> I realized this week that my company is not a Free Software company in their bones
[08:50] <magnon> edubuntu :)
[08:50] <Burgundavia> they just don't get it
[08:51] <Burgundavia> magnon, you got any code in upstream gnome or fedora?
[08:52] <magnon> very little in gnome, but why so?
[08:52] <Burgundavia> just wondering
[08:52] <magnon> not in fedora
[08:54] <magnon> barely ever used it even
[10:56] <highvoltage> ping
[02:37] <juliux> hi ogra
[02:37] <ogra> hi
[02:38] <juliux> ogra, on which day you will be in essen?
[02:39] <ogra> dunno, for when are we scheduled ?
[02:40] <juliux> the workshop will be at saturday
[02:40] <ogra> then i'll be there at saturday
[02:40] <juliux> when your talk is i don't know but i can ask
[02:41] <ogra> i wouldnt like to stay over night if any possible ...
[02:41] <juliux> ok
[02:41] <juliux> i have write something about the workshop here http://www.poweroftwo.de/wiki/index.php/Edubuntu
[02:42] <juliux> is that so ok for you?
[02:55] <mhz> hip allp
[02:55] <mhz> ogra: hi.
[02:56] <ogra> hey mhz
[02:56] <mhz> ogra: how are you?
[02:56] <ogra> better now... had to fight my jetlag the last two days
[02:56] <mhz> sorry to hear that :)
[02:56] <ogra> heh, expected :)
[02:57] <mhz> do you feel home already?
[02:57] <ogra> sure
[02:57] <ogra> after three days its normally fine again...
[02:58] <ogra> i catched a cold though...
[02:58] <mhz> ogra: I will have to analyze the chance to make some edubuntu CDs customized for a couple of universities carriers, and include at least one light desktop and a heavy one + plus some additional apps.
[02:59] <mhz> carreers
[02:59] <mhz> I found a HowTo for Ubuntu
[02:59] <ogra> http://www.linuxshop.de/shop/catalog/index.php?cPath=70&osCsid=89fa40ea096d2439e1cbbc9dfafc3b3e
[02:59] <ogra> 1,49
[03:00] <ogra> plus shipping costs
[03:00] <juliux> ogra, what do you think about the workshop?
[03:00] <mhz> you germans have lots of stuff!
[03:00] <mhz> :D
[03:01] <ogra> if you ask the guy, he'll probably make DVDs available for 2-3
[03:01] <mhz> workshop?
[03:02] <ogra> juliux, a bit rough outlined ... did you take in account that a edubuntu server install takes between 1 and 1,5h ? and 95% of the time you will stare at progressbars ...
[03:02] <ogra> there is not much to do during install....
[03:02] <juliux> ogra, in this time i want to talk with the people
[03:03] <ogra> and post install you'll have t edit two files
[03:03] <juliux> ogra, and what is with a http proxy?, nfs server?, print server??
[03:03] <ogra> thats simply all... but sure, if you want to talk, thats fine
[03:03] <mhz> my point is that for Chilean and porbably LA educational-tech reality, many people/schools have 1997-8 pcs
[03:03] <ogra> we dont ship any yet...
[03:04] <ogra> you dont have to touch the nfs server, it gets set up automatically...
[03:04] <juliux> ogra, sure?
[03:04] <mhz> ogra: so, poviding customzed edubuntu cd's has been asked many times in my so-far 2x meetings
[03:04] <ogra> sure
[03:05] <juliux> ogra, i didn't want to make a talk about edubuntu i want show them how they can fix there problems, where they find information and doku in the internet
[03:05] <mhz> ogra: GNOME simply may not be a standard option for us, yet
[03:05] <juliux> ogra, this should be a interactive workshop
[03:05] <mhz> juliux: and what do you think about EdubuntuCdAndSlip?
[03:05] <ogra> mhz, no problem... with a bit of free time and diskspace... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo
[03:06] <ogra> juliux, what interactive stuff do you want to do if the machines are installing all the time ?
[03:06] <juliux> ogra, i will have more than one machine there
[03:07] <mhz> i know. So far, if I do server install, then apt-get edubuntu-server, will this only install LTSP? (so I can ommit Gnome?)
[03:07] <juliux> mhz, i find it not very professional
[03:07] <juliux> mhz, i have tinker on it looks not very good
[03:07] <mhz> juliux: what would you need to make it more professional? suggestions?
[03:07] <ogra> mhz, should work... you'll need to edit a bit more
[03:08] <juliux> mhz, my idea is that you have a cd cover for slim case
[03:08] <ogra> juliux, thats the official CD sleeve we want to use, whats wrong with it ?
[03:08] <juliux> ogra, you didn't can close it
[03:08] <ogra> ??
[03:08] <mhz> ?
[03:10] <juliux> h have i understand there something wrong?
[03:10] <juliux> there was some thing in the wiki
[03:11] <juliux> i will search the link
[03:12] <juliux> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdAndSlip
[03:12] <juliux> this the second one i printet out
[03:12] <ogra> thats what were talking about
[03:12] <mhz> juliux: JaneW asked me to desing a very simple CD slip (or case) and a cover. Did you see last week update on it? http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdAndSlip
[03:12] <ogra> mhz, why did you drop the other CD label ? i liked it more
[03:13] <mhz> which?
[03:13] <ogra> there were two before the update
[03:13] <mhz> the one with the white world on red background?
[03:13] <ogra> the one with the circle of children
[03:13] <juliux> mhz, i have printed it here out and bond it
[03:13] <mhz> ogra: oh, nope. I can upload it as well (.svg?)
[03:14] <mhz> juliux: ok, what do you think of it?
[03:14] <ogra> yes, that would be nice :)
[03:14] <mhz> ogra: this last version is based on the few voting we had
[03:15] <ogra> oh, did we vote against the other label ?
[03:15] <juliux> mhz, it is to simple if you but it into your bag the cd will not be into the case
[03:15] <juliux> shit my english is to bad
[03:16] <mhz> juliux: why won't the cd stay into the case?
[03:16] <ogra> if you use the right cardboard, it will stay in the sleeve
[03:16] <juliux> mhz, because it is open, or is this for a cd case? i only put the cd into the paper
[03:17] <ogra> it was planned to be printed professionally on good carton
[03:17] <mhz> juliux: we used the same model of warty AMD and PPC models
[03:17] <mhz> it was open on one side
[03:17] <mhz> so yes, it may drop
[03:17] <juliux> mhz, yes and in my bag it drop out if i go with it to university
[03:17] <mhz> yes
[03:17] <mhz> I have same problem
[03:17] <mhz> :)
[03:18] <mhz> but again, they said "cd slip, just like the one we used before"
[03:20] <juliux> mhz, i think i would be better if there is a cd cover for a slim case, so you can use very cheap slimcace blank cd
[03:20] <ogra> if we ever ship it, we wont do that in a plasic case
[03:20] <mhz> juliux: besides the fact that cd will drop, what do you think about the colors, images, layout, etc?
[03:21] <juliux> mhz, that is ok
[03:21] <mhz> plastic is not environment friendly :)
[03:21] <juliux> mhz, but it would be nice if there is also a black/white version
[03:21] <mhz> juliux, the good thing then, if you like the stuff on it, you get the SVG and can copy/paste onto a cover for any purpose :)
[03:22] <juliux> mhz, because then you can print it yourselfe on your home laserprinter
[03:22] <mhz> good point
[03:22] <juliux> mhz, we did it so the last years with gnome live cds in germany
[03:23] <mhz> that's why the CD cover (the adhesive round stuff, for our understanding, not the cardboard) is Red and White so you can easily play with the colors
[03:23] <ogra> *shudder*
[03:23] <ogra> why not take a color laserprinter ?
[03:24] <ogra> if you dont have one, go to a copyshop
[03:24] <juliux> ogra, becaue the moste people have a no color laserprinter
[03:24] <mhz> juliux: hence, the edubuntu logo and words are all white
[03:24] <ogra> having B/W covers looks unprofessionally cheap
[03:24] <mhz> and the background is only plain red
[03:24] <juliux> ogra, it is very expensive if you make a color copy at the copyshop
[03:24] <mhz> this way everybosy can play with colors of their choice
[03:24] <juliux> ogra, one din a 4 site cost 70cent
[03:24] <ogra> how much ? 50ct ?
[03:25] <ogra> oh, so only 35ct for one then...
[03:25] <juliux> ogra, and on one din a site are only on!!!! cd cover
[03:25] <juliux> ogra, if you use silmcases 2
[03:26] <juliux> ogra, if you have time please check http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Edubuntu
[03:27] <ogra> anyway, this design was thought for sipped CDs where we wanted to have it printed professionally... its easy to switch to b/w with gimp and its a SVG so youcan rip the elements apart as you like
[03:28] <juliux> but this is also work, and i didn't will do this if i only want to print out some cd's covers
[03:28] <juliux> for a fair
[03:28] <ogra> so just print them as is...
[03:29] <ogra> if you dont want to take the two clicks in gimp to make it a grayscaled image, just print the color version with a b/w printer... i doubt you'll see much difference
[03:30] <juliux> yes it isn't very much work but if you do that for edubuntu,ubuntu,kubuntu,xubuntu it is a lof of time
[03:31] <juliux> and it is double burden
[03:31] <juliux> there will be more than on who want to have a b/w version
[03:32] <ogra> if you think so...
[03:32] <juliux> yes i think so
[03:32] <juliux> so i have to go to my salsa session
[03:32] <juliux> cu
[03:32] <ogra> ciao
[03:38] <mhz> highvoltage: hi
[03:52] <mhz> ogra: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdAndSlip has been updated with your request
[03:59] <mhz> i know. So far, if I do server install, then apt-get edubuntu-server, will this only install LTSP? (so I can ommit Gnome?)
[04:00] <mhz> ogra: you responded that 'yes'. But this mean LTSP will be ok?
[04:00] <mhz> (i can add applications, np)
[04:01] <highvoltage> mhz: i think edubuntu-server also installs stuff like schooltool, etc.
[04:02] <highvoltage> i think what you're looking for is ltsp-server-standalone
[04:02] <highvoltage> after installing that, you need to run ltsp-build-client as sudo/root.
[04:13] <\sh> ogra: ping
[04:13] <mhz> highvoltage: i am loking for NOT to install GNOME, only. I mean, I need to use anything on edubuntu  + some applications, BUT gnome
[04:14] <ogra> \sh, morning
[04:14] <ogra> \sh, did you just call ?
[04:15] <\sh> ogra: which is the truth :) I just got up _again_.
[04:15] <ogra> (i was to slow)
[04:15] <\sh> ogra: yes..
[04:15] <ogra> calling back
[04:15] <\sh> forget it
[04:15] <\sh> i'll shower and bring a black barcadi with
[04:16] <ogra> coke is already here ;)
[04:17] <\sh> i found the one yesterday during shopping at hit..they had it for 10 eur on special
[04:26] <magnon> mhz: what kind of desktop DO you want?
[04:32] <mhz> magnon: i'll have to take care of my daughter's lunch now..
[04:32] <mhz> magnon: however, I am planing to have Fluxbox, WindowMaker or IceWM + KDE
[04:33] <mhz> plus edubuntu base applications and some specific apps. depending on each carreer
[04:33] <mhz> + plus some study guides
[04:34] <magnon> install ubuntu-minimal, edubuntu-server
[04:34] <magnon> then if you can live with xfce, xubuntu-live
[04:34] <mhz> so, we'll endup having Edubuntu Server/Desktop LiveCD/ready to be installed
[04:34] <mhz> xfce is also a good alternative
[04:34] <ogra> xubuntu-desktop rather ;)
[04:35] <\sh> it's not even in main see -devel
[04:35] <mhz> so far, I am trying to get some performance stats considering current standard 1997-8 PCs (which many schools and students have)
[04:35] <mhz> once we have that, then we'll have to define at least 2 WM's
[04:35] <mhz> (DVD is not an oprion for us BTW)
[04:36] <mhz> option
[04:54] <highvoltage> wow. a spectacular storm just broke loose here. thunder, lightning, huge raindrops, the works.
[04:54] <highvoltage> very nice.
[04:54] <highvoltage> escpecially since it's so hot.
[06:08] <lmj> ..
[06:09] <lmj> hi there
[06:16] <highvoltage> hi
[06:22] <lmj> you still there
[06:24] <lmj> i'm from finland and was wondering about hardware requirements for clients...
[07:42] <lmj> g
[08:32] <juliux> ogra, pls query me if you have time
[08:36] <highvoltage> ogra: is diskless fat clients still planned for dapper? i can't remember finding any specs on it.
[08:46] <ogra> highvoltage, nothing beyond the specs on launchpad is planned for inclusion (teachertool probably=
[08:53] <bluefrog-10> ogra sry to bother, is it possible to attach a file on wiki?
[08:56] <dnB> is there a way to upgrade from ubuntu 5.10 to edubuntu 5.10?
[08:56] <dnB> :P
[08:57] <bluefrog-10> apt-get install edubuntu-server I believe
[08:57] <dnB> thanks :)
[08:57] <dnB> my edubuntu install disc is givin me poo, so ill do it that way
[09:08] <ogra> bluefrog-10, sure, look in the actions menu
[09:08] <ogra> (the pulldown)
[09:08] <bluefrog-10> ok ty
[09:09] <bluefrog-10> have made a bash script with menus to install/configure apt-proxy, samba-ldap, have to finish menu to manage samba-ldap user...
[09:10] <bluefrog-10> it's not aimed obviously to IT linux people but to people who want to set up an authentication server without hassle
[09:10] <bluefrog-10> and manage it afterwards (as in add remove people
[09:10] <highvoltage> \sh_away: ping ping ping
[09:12] <ogra> highvoltage, he'll be here soo, just unpacked his laptop
[09:12] <ogra> *soon
[09:13] <highvoltage> ogra: you guys live close to each other?
[09:13] <ogra> 80km
[09:13] <highvoltage> nice.
[09:14] <\sh> re
[09:14] <\sh> highvoltage: ogra told me you pinged me?
[09:15] <highvoltage> so i have.
[09:15] <highvoltage> i downloaded the motu-tools,
[09:16] <highvoltage> hold on, sorry, i found tfm
[09:27] <Lord_Athur> hi
[09:28] <Lord_Athur> could anyone tell me what does wizzy mean?
[09:28] <Lord_Athur> does this corresponds to an animal?
[09:28] <Lord_Athur> or is a trademark
[09:29] <ogra> wizzy ??
[09:29] <Lord_Athur> yes someone told me something using this word
[09:29] <Lord_Athur> :)
[09:29] <Lord_Athur> but I don't understand
[09:29] <ogra> me neither :)
[09:30] <Lord_Athur> :P
[09:30] <Lord_Athur> well...
[09:31] <Lord_Athur> I've changed my repositories from hoary to brizzy (or sth ) for install edubuntu
[09:31] <Lord_Athur> but I could not
[09:32] <Lord_Athur> after upgrade the system
[09:32] <Lord_Athur> the graphic envioment did not run
[09:33] <Lord_Athur> ogra, do you know anything about?
[09:35] <ogra> try loggong in on the console and run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:35] <Lord_Athur> ok
[09:36] <Lord_Athur> I'll do this in my other PC
[09:36] <Lord_Athur> I see you later
[09:36] <dnB> hi, im trying to do a netboot of edubuntu, however when i apt-get install tftpd-hpa apache2 dhcp3-server
[09:36] <dnB> , dhcp fails to start
[09:38] <ogra> why do you install these manually ? they are in the default install ...
[09:38] <dnB> im using a tutorial :) never tried to netboot before
[09:38] <dnB> my cdrom on the other desktop i am trying to install edubuntu to is having issues, so im attempting to netboot it from my ubuntu machine, any ideas?
[09:39] <ogra> which tutorial
[09:39] <ogra> `
[09:39] <ogra> ?
[09:39] <dnB> http://gridpt1.fe.up.pt/mlopes/blog/index.php/ubuntu-network-install/
[09:40] <ogra> note that edubuntus ltsp is a completely new implementation
[09:40] <dnB> im installing it workstation
[09:40] <ogra> ah, ok
[09:40] <dnB> i have an ubuntu machine with an edubuntu .iso
[09:40] <dnB> :)
[09:40] <dnB> trying to get it on my other machine with broken cdrom
[09:40] <ogra> phew
[09:40] <dnB> lol
[09:41] <ogra> there is aq official installer manual...
[09:41] <dnB> aq?
[09:41] <ogra> dunno, have to dig for it
[09:41] <dnB> i dont get what aq is :)
[09:42] <ogra> an
[09:42] <dnB> oh
[09:42] <ogra> typo :)
[09:42] <dnB> ah ok
[09:42] <dnB> i felt lost
[09:42] <dnB> :P
[11:18] <dnB> HiveDrone, im attempting to netboot install edubuntu, is there already an edubuntu pxelinux.0 or do i need to use the one for ubuntu 5.10 and then apt-get edubuntu?
[11:18] <dnB> sorry, autocomplete
[11:18] <dnB> damned xchat :)


[21:19] <Taylor_> hey i have a question if anyone can help me
[21:19] <Taylor_> its not a ubuntu related question as such
[21:19] <Robbilie> can you tell me where i can find my pubkey? :)
[21:19] <OerHeks> !skype
[21:19] <bazhang> !ot | Taylor_
[21:19] <OerHeks> not helpfull, Taylor
[21:20] <bazhang> marconotaria, its in partner repo for ubuntu, for zorin OS , no idea
[21:20] <Robbilie> can you tell me where i can find my pubkey? :)
[21:20] <Taylor_> well i was looking for a cisco packet tracer IRC but couldnt find one
[21:20] <Taylor_> anyone got a link ?
[21:20] <bazhang> !info skype partner | marconotaria
[21:20] <marconotaria> is zorin
[21:20] <bazhang> Taylor_, thats offtopic here...
[21:20] <Taylor_> sorry man
[21:21] <Taylor> :L
[21:21] <funky> hey folks
[21:21] <pythonirc1012> ubuntu 10.04 LTS was supposed to e supported till 2015 or so, right?
[21:22] <funky> I want to add 1 sh to startup via adding it path to /etc/rc.local
[21:22] <yayLINUX> 12.04
[21:22] <funky> the sh owner is root and sh location is /home/ubuntu
[21:22] <funky> will it work if I add sudo in sh script?
[21:22] <k-stz> pythonirc1012: the server versions have 5 years
[21:22] <vertab7> hi all
[21:23] <funky> say sudo cd /bla/bla
[21:23] <vertab7> UK calling ......
[21:23] <funky> uk answering
[21:23] <funky> hello
[21:24] <auronandace> pythonirc1012: for server, yes
[21:24] <vertab7> anyone here familiar with ubuntu12 and android 'mix' used on teh nexus 7 pwnpad ?
[21:24] <bazhang> !touch | vertab7
[21:24] <vertab7> dyslexia's kickin' in ........
[21:25] <pythonirc1012> anyone running nginx+ubuntu here that could help. My nginx won't start
[21:25] <vertab7> Ihave just loaded mric first time to come and get adive maybe, never before been on a relay chat....virgin!
[21:26] <heew> anyone here know how to swap workplaces on KDE? with unity it is ctrl+alt+arrow keys?
[21:27] <vertab7> not new to computing but new to linux, luv the way some things just work, hate te way somethings dont and I havn't yet the knowledge to fix it....
[21:27] <marconotaria> still have the problem of the skype what i need to install and i use a zorin the latest one of 32
[21:27] <auronandace> marconotaria: zorin is not supported here
[21:28] <marconotaria> #zorinos is no answer, where can i go?
[21:28] <Ben64> install ubuntu?
[21:29] <alex_fun> any one here used rc.local?
[21:29] <alex_fun> is it blank by default?
[21:30] <pythonirc1012> can anyone confirm nginx -V version for me
[21:30] <pythonirc1012> mine shows 1.4.1
[21:30] <alex_fun> lol
[21:31] <Ben64> !info nginx-full | pythonirc1012
[21:31] <pythonirc1012> Ben64: I'm confured. Why does my nginx -V say 1.4.1
[21:31] <Ben64> you must have a ppa or something
[21:32] <_getting_help> hy. does ubuntu 13.04 supports partition encryption?
[21:33] <bekks> _getting_help: Yes.
[21:33] <bekks> _getting_help: Just as the versions before.
[21:33] <_getting_help> really? last time all I could get was whole drive encryption
[21:33] <kboodu> alex_fun: yes.
[21:33] <k-stz> alex_fun: yes, it is
[21:34] <kboodu> alex_fun: Mine just has an exit 0 - the rest are comments
[21:34] <homerj> I installed gnome-shell via ubuntu-gnome-desktop, there are a couple of applications(onboard, xdiagnose) that don't show icons in the application menu although they do show up in unity
[21:34] <homerj> they have icons in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable, so the .desktop files seem correct
[21:38] <palomer> hello, where do user installed programs go? /usr/local is owned by root
[21:39] <volitek> Just got a new motherboard and now ethernet has stopped working. Sabertooth 990fx, and the ethernet bit is a Realtek 8111e. Any ideas?
[21:39] <k-stz> palomer: use the commadn "type"
[21:39] <pythonirc1012> The following packages have been kept back:   linux-image-server -- is this a problem? Why is it keeping it back?
[21:39] <palomer> k-stz, use type for what?
[21:39] <palomer> this is a convention question
[21:40] <pythonirc1012> trying dist-upgrade
[21:40] <Dr_Willis> pythonirc1012:  kernels are commonly held back. a dist-upgrade should pull them in
[21:41] <k-stz> palomer: followed by the program name: type gedit
[21:43] <raven> hi
[21:43] <raven> how to fit ubuntu to a 2gb usb drive? i only need a basic system for nas
[21:43] <riddrib> What question yoy have?
[21:43] <Dr_Willis> !minimal | raven
[21:44] <xtacie> raven: unetbootin and load the cd image of ubunutu server
[21:44] <xtacie> that should work
[21:44] <deadweasel> hey folks, I'm trying to execute a .run installer for planeshift, I've chmod +x file.run, but it doesn't run when I $ ./file.run.....  not sure where I went wrong
[21:44] <bluewolf1257> hello
[21:44] <Dr_Willis> raven:  there are 'nas' specific disrtos out there also. may be easier to use them then roll your own
[21:45] <xtacie> mediavault i think is one of them
[21:45] <Dr_Willis> deadweasel:  what does it do? any error messages?
[21:45] <xtacie> freenas
[21:45] <xtacie> crypto and n nanonas
[21:45] <deadweasel> nothing, says it command not found
[21:45] <deadweasel> Dr_Willis: ^
[21:45] <Dr_Willis> deadweasel:  then you are typing the name or path wrong, or its not executable.
[21:46] <Dr_Willis> ls -l ./file.run             shows what?
[21:46] <Dr_Willis> (linux IS case Senesetive also, use the Tab key to make sure the name is right)
[21:46] <Dr_Willis> and you ARE in the proper directory when you run it?
[21:47] <deadweasel> a-rw-------     <-- this tells me I have not chmod ed correctly.
[21:47] <Dr_Willis> Yep. its not executale
[21:47] <deadweasel> tab key wasn't working...  only for ./
[21:47] <Dr_Willis> you could do 'bash whatever.run' also
[21:47] <deadweasel> many thanks Dr.  I'll give it a go.
[21:53] <k-stz> palomer: they're in /usr/bin/, the executables that is, installing programs is more than that. a rough overview: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-or-ubuntu-directory-structure.html
[21:53] <deadweasel> I can't seem to make it executable...  sudo chmod +x ./file.run
[21:53] <Dr_Willis> deadweasel:  is it on a windows filesystem or somewhere odd?
[21:53] <palomer> k-stz, great, thanks
[21:53] <deadweasel> yup, ntfs from an old machine Dr_Willis
[21:53] <Dr_Willis> deadweasel:  thats why then...
[21:54] <deadweasel> I can move it if that's the problem...
[21:54] <deadweasel> weird
[21:54] <deadweasel> I never knew
[21:54] <Dr_Willis> not weird at all.. ntfs and vfat cant handle the normal linux permissions
[21:54] <deadweasel> makes sense when you put it that way.
[21:54] <Dr_Willis> the 'bash whatever.run' may have worked..
[21:54] <deadweasel> nope
[21:54] <deadweasel> but i'm gonna move it :)
[21:55] <Dr_Willis> you can mount ntfs/vfat in a way that EVERTHING on them is executable.. which is even more annoying
[21:56] <deadweasel> lol, no thanks
[21:57] <lukecarrier> it's official; no other distro has such shitty Optimus support
[21:57] <lukecarrier> I wonder if Canonical will ever pull their fingers from their corporate rear and commit time to fixing these issues
[21:59] <Diamondcite> I didn't think linux had any functional form of support for Optimus
[22:00] <lukecarrier> Diamondcite, Bumblebee and xrandr provide preliminary (read: hacky) support
[22:00] <Dr_Willis> Bumblebee has been around for some time now
[22:00] <lukecarrier> NVIDIA announced proprietary drivers that introduce some support too, but they require a newer xrandr release than Ubuntu ships
[22:01] <lukecarrier> trying to get a stable DE on Optimus is an impossible task... misinformation everywhere
[22:01] <Guest56116> hi i am wondering if there is support in ubuntu/ubuntu server for the tigon video card?
[22:01] <Dr_Willis> Tigon? thats a new name to me..
[22:01] <Diamondcite> I thought support was limited to locking to one specific card? Or can it sort of switch now?
[22:01] <blueyoshi321> About 10 minutes after I connect to my campus wired network with wicd, I lose the ability to do DNS lookups (but still have connectivity otherwise). syslog shows dhclient doing a bunch of DHCPDISCOVERs and eventually saying "No DHCPOFFERS received." Any thoughts?
[22:01] <Guest56116> tigon was made by ATI
[22:01] <yayLINUX> hey guys
[22:01] <Dr_Willis> Diamondcite:  i belive it defaults to the intel. then you can specifically run games/stuff  and activate the nvidia card
[22:02] <adamk> Guest56116: Are you in front of the machine with this card?
[22:02] <Guest56116> no right now
[22:03] <adamk> I've never heard of tigon video cards, only tigon network cards. I'm also pretty familiar with the full line of cards from ATI/AMD.
[22:03] <lukecarrier> Some lovely folk on freenode: <cheeseBreath> You got dicks in u mouth
[22:03] <mgottschlag> hey, anybody can tell me whether the bug which bricked samsung laptops with efi is fixed in 12.10?
[22:03] <Diamondcite> Ah so I wasn't alone in seeing that.
[22:03] <karakedi> ps x
[22:03] <yayLINUX> i have a question: When I want to start developping apps with monodevelop in ubuntu 13.04 it says this when I make the project: Error while trying to load the project '/home/christiaan/Bureaublad/test/test/test/test.vbproj': Project does not support framework '.NETFramework,Version=v4.0'
[22:03] <Guest56116> the machine that has the tigon is a older HP ProLiant ML350 G3 server
[22:04] <yayLINUX> anybody?
[22:04] <MonkeyDust> yayLINUX  try #ubuntu-app-devel
[22:04] <yayLINUX> k thx
[22:04] <Dr_Willis> yayLINUX:  well.. its amazing how much people seem to hate MONO.  ;) thats all i can say on the topic.
[22:04] <yayLINUX> well, i just want to try it :p
[22:05] <Diamondcite> (Mono as in silverlight?)
[22:05] <adamk> Guest56116: According to HP's website, it's an ATI Rage XL: http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=c00409056&prodSeriesId=316537
[22:05] <seronis> Mono would be .Net equiv
[22:05] <xtacie> h
[22:05] <xtacie_> l
[22:06] <adamk> Guest56116: If that's correct, then it should be supported by the mach64 Xorg driver, though I wouldn't expect any great performance out of a GPU that old.
[22:06] <OerHeks> Guest56116  Alteon Networks Tigon I/II gigabit Ethernet, not video
[22:07] <Guest56116> adamk: i know but i cant seem to get the Rage card to work on 13.04
[22:08] <adamk> Guest56116: We'd need to see the Xorg log file to figure out what's going wrong.  The mach64 driver is definitely present on 13.04, though.  Whether or not it works properly is another matter entirely :-)
[22:08] <Guest56116> i cant even get the display right as it says the screen resolution is out of range
[22:09] <adamk> Guest56116: If that's happening on the console, try booting with vga=normal as an option to the kernel.  If that's happening in X, we still need to see that Xorg log file.
[22:09] <Guest56116> i cant even see what the terminal font on the screen
[22:10] <Dr_Willis> the grub /etc/default/grub  file has options to use a old fashioned grub 'text' based menu also. but you may need to use a live cd to boot and chroot and alter that.. or the boot-repair tool.
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> if you can get to the system in some low res/console mode.. install the ssh server. and hopefully you can then ssh in and try to fix things if the monitor is not working
[22:11] <hackzs-titan> hye
[22:11] <adamk> Oh, right, I forgot that grub2 tries to use a high resolution console, too.  That's the first thing I think I disabled.
[22:12] <adamk> Guest56116: Can you even access the grub menu when the machine boots up?
[22:12] <Dr_Willis> adamk:  yep. its a bit annoying for old machines.
[22:12] <Guest56116> yes i can ssh in but the resolution and font work on 10.04LTS
[22:12] <Guest56116> and no i cant access the grub menu
[22:13] <adamk> Guest56116: OK, so ssh in and edit the grub2 config so it uses the regular old low resolution console.
[22:13] <Dr_Willis> if you can ssh in, you can try to force grub to use the old text only menu
[22:13]  * wilee-nilee sings the eol blues.
[22:13] <Dr_Willis> # Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only)
[22:13] <Dr_Willis> GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[22:13] <MonkeyDust> Guest56116  mind: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/05/ubuntu-10-04-11-10-reach-end-of-life
[22:13] <netlar1> I have my system running again, but I think it is going to be unstable, I am on 13.04, and the problem is the drivers for the geforce 8200 nividia card
[22:14] <jluc> hello
[22:14] <Dr_Willis> thats in /etc/default/grub         edit the file.   rerun 'sudo update-grub' and reboot..
[22:14] <netlar1> Do I need to remove the PPA sources?
[22:14] <Dr_Willis> netlar1:  ppa sources for what?
[22:14] <netlar1> xorg-edgers
[22:15] <Dr_Willis> you want to remove/stop using xorg-edgers?   you can use ppa-purge for that.
[22:15] <MonkeyDust> sound "très" not-supported
[22:15] <Guest56116> adamk: okay i would have to start from scratch
[22:15] <netlar1> Dr_Willis: Waht does that do exactly?
[22:15] <Dr_Willis> removes the ppa, reinstalls the old packages
[22:16] <Dr_Willis> !ppa-purge
[22:16] <donnie> Command please. so I can find out what MB my video card is running
[22:16] <netlar1> Dr_Willis: so kinda resetting the ppa's?
[22:16] <Dr_Willis> netlar1:  its PURGEING the ppa.. removeing it and restoring defaults
[22:16] <netlar1> ok
[22:17] <netlar1> Dr_Willis: how would that affect the drivers that I have installed
[22:17] <Dr_Willis> netlar1:  installed how? if they came from that ppa - they would get PURGED..
[22:17] <Dr_Willis> donnie:  try 'hwinfo' perhaps
[22:17] <iceroot> is there an easy way to find the packages which were getting the most updates for an ubuntu release without downloading all changelogs and doing some sed/grep/awk-foo?
[22:18] <netlar1> Dr_Willis: I want to reset the graphics drivers to how it was when I first install 13.04
[22:18] <Dr_Willis> netlar1:  then you purge any ppas you were using..
[22:18] <donnie> Not installed
[22:18] <Dr_Willis> donnie:  so? .. install it?
[22:18] <Dr_Willis> !info hwinfo
[22:20] <cheeseBreath> !info hwinfo
[22:21] <Biomechd> i'm on ubuntu 12.10 (i'm sure some here already know that) and i keep getting error popups and can't really do anything about them because i keep getting a following error popup about how apportcheckresume has crashed or had some error of its own.
[22:22] <Dr_Willis> Biomechd:  you could just remove apport  or clean out its error logs
[22:23] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/93457/how-do-i-enable-or-disable-apport/93467#93467
[22:23] <Guest56116> adamk: i am trying to use vnc so i can use the app plex. thats why i am having trouble with my video card.
[22:23] <netlar1> Dr_Willis: I ran the purge, but the ppa was not removed
[22:23] <bluewolf1257> May I have help?
[22:23] <Dr_Willis> netlar1:  no idea on that. ive rarely had to purge ppas' - could be you did it wrong.
[22:24] <Dr_Willis> Guest56116:  i thought plex had a web interface you could connect to from any pc. No need for vnc.
[22:24] <fruitwerks> Hi all, my 'user' crontabs run, but my /cron.*'s do not.. any ideas?
[22:24] <bluewolf1257> I have the wireless network driver downloaded for my computer, but whenever I activate, I get a error reffering me to read this : http://pastebin.com/Hze6GSj0
[22:24] <netlar1> Dr_Willis: Can I just remove them form the Software & Update?
[22:25] <Guest56116> i am trying to use it on a ubuntu server 13.04
[22:25] <Dr_Willis> netlar1:  i guess you can try. I have never needed to use that pps for my systems
[22:25] <Dr_Willis> bluewolf1257:  what wifi card/chipset?
[22:25] <bluewolf1257> It's broadcam, I can't check while in my linux partition
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> !broadcom
[22:26] <bluewolf1257> Thanks, I'll check it out
[22:26] <bluewolf1257> :)
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> why cant you check?
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> lspci   should show ...
[22:26] <wilee-nilee> netlar1, Look at the link there is a command to purge any specific ppa. http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/install-ppa-purge-with-multi-arch.html
[22:27] <bluewolf1257> I'm not entirely familiar with linux, but I'll find my way
[22:27] <Biomechd> Dr_Willis: what about plymouthd?
[22:28] <Dr_Willis> bluewolf1257:  the addational-drivers tool may also have a entry for the card. but you will need to be wired. or connected to the internet somehow under linux for it to work
[22:28] <Dr_Willis> Biomechd:  what?
[22:29] <netlar1> wilee-nilee: I removed the ppa but the drivers are still showing
[22:29] <stanrifkin> i saw a interview with stallman and he said that ubuntu is spying on the user
[22:30] <stanrifkin> what does he men?
[22:30] <Dr_Willis> stanrifkin:   old news and a lot of FUD.
[22:30] <Dr_Willis> !adlens | stanrifkin
[22:30] <gordonjcp> stanrifkin: stallman has little of value to say
[22:30] <netlar1> wilee-nilee: I have 9 video drivers, I know that is not right
[22:31] <Dr_Willis> How can one be spying.. when the users know about it....
[22:31] <Dr_Willis> and theres standard tools to change the settings..
[22:31] <wilee-nilee> netlar1, Thats all right as far as graphic drivers you know more than me, I have never had to load one.
[22:31] <bluewulf> I did what that guide said before, I get an error when activatiniver the d
[22:32] <bluewulf> Activating the driver*
[22:32] <k-stz> stanrifkin: if I recall corectly he means this: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1182
[22:33] <jluc> skype UI is very bad on ubuntu
[22:33] <Dr_Willis> jluc:  ask microsoft to fix it?
[22:33] <jluc> is there a chance to have viber running ?
[22:34] <bluewulf> Can anyone help me with this? I don''t know how long it will take. :/
[22:35] <Biomechd> Dr_Willis: another program i see in some of the error reports is plymouthd
[22:35] <bronaugh> anyone here experience uefi boot problems following a BIOS flash or other CMOS-clearing event?
[22:35] <romtsjo> hie, guys! who can help?
[22:35] <bronaugh> having this right now... entry disappeared from menu following this. trying to figure out how to get the entry back.
[22:35] <bronaugh> s/menu/efi menu/
[22:36] <romtsjo> when I install my ubuntu 13.04 - I haven't my eth0 connection there
[22:36] <romtsjo> only vpn
[22:37] <jluc> ubuntuforums does not send me the new password after reseting it - and its not in the spambox neither
[22:37] <romtsjo> anyone can help?
[22:37] <bronaugh> nm, think I found the answer
[22:38] <bluewulf> Hey, Dr , I've done those before
[22:38] <bluewulf> But I get an error referring me to jockey.log
[22:38] <romtsjo> I have a problem with my ethernet on 13.04
[22:39] <Dr_Willis> romtsjo:  and whats your wired card/chipset? or are you refering to wifi?
[22:39] <romtsjo> Dr_Willis, broadcom
[22:40] <Dr_Willis> romtsjo:  broadcom makes a LOT of cards/chipsets
[22:40] <Dr_Willis> romtsjo:  so you are refering to a wifi/wireless? or a wired card?
[22:40] <bluewulf> Uhm, I'm refering to wireless, should I post the adapter ingo?
[22:40] <bluewulf>  Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller
[22:40] <Dr_Willis> !broadcom
[22:41] <Dr_Willis> and you looked at the guides?
[22:41] <bluewulf> When attempting to use that guide however, I can't
[22:41] <bluewulf> yes
[22:41] <romtsjo> Dr_Willis, not wifi
[22:41] <bluewulf> I have the driver in question, but I can't activate it
[22:41] <Dr_Willis> have it how exactly?
[22:41] <bluewulf> I gave you the pastebin link, thats the log file i get
[22:41] <grantsmith> whats the easiest way to replace a failing root hard drive ?
[22:42] <bluewulf> via System, Hardware drivers
[22:42] <romtsjo> Dr_Willis, I forget how can I see?
[22:42] <bluewulf> It's there after I downloaded it originally, but I can't activate.
[22:42] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/search?tab=votes&q=broadcom%204313     might have some good info. Ive rarely used broadcom
[22:42] <Dr_Willis> romtsjo:  'lspci' shows most hw info
[22:43] <xubuntuGruff> hello everyone
[22:43] <romtsjo> Dr_Willis, Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX
[22:43] <xubuntuGruff> would ubuntu and xubuntu installations be exactly the same??
[22:43] <bluewulf> thanks doc
[22:44] <xubuntuGruff> romtsjo do you work for broadcom?
[22:44] <Dr_Willis> romtsjo:  only hit i see on askubuntu about that card  - mentions some quirk in the driver   http://askubuntu.com/questions/180201/12-04-wi-fi-not-working-correctly-with-intel-pro-wireless-3945abg
[22:44] <Dr_Willis> work time for me.. bye all
[22:45] <bjrohan> I am looking for some help on building a module for Alfresco from git. I have asked in the Maven and the Alfresco channels, but they are currently quiet. What I am rying to do is: https://github.com/Redpill-Linpro/alfresco-libreoffice-online-edit  I have cloned the git on my machine. I have tomcat installed, but I don't think Maven, any help appreciated
[22:45] <romtsjo> Dr_Willis, on 12.10 all correct. but when I install 13.04 or upgrade to it - network is falling
[22:45] <xubuntuGruff> bjr check the software center to see if Maven is installed on your system
[22:46] <emif-> Hi, i am using ubuntu 12.10. I have checked my graphic card info from settings - details. it says that driver: unknown. Experience: Standard. How to install my vga driver?
[22:46] <T|ASK> Half-Life 2 is ready for download
[22:46] <xubuntuGruff> emif download the driver
[22:46] <emif-> help please
[22:47] <emif-> xubuntuGruff, i have done this in terminal, sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[22:47] <emif-> it says its installed and 0 updates, but its not detected
[22:47] <bjrohan> Perhaps Dr_Willis is up for the challenge :-)
[22:48] <xubuntuGruff> bjr dr willis left
[22:48] <bjrohan> darn it
[22:48] <bjrohan> IC now
[22:48] <xubuntuGruff> emif did you try googling the problem? it may be a driver issue others are experiencing
[22:48] <bjrohan> perhaps someone else, a simple build I would think, says the ignnorant man
[22:48] <xubuntuGruff> atleast you guys are in linux. my shit doesnt wanna boot
[22:49] <emif-> i googled it, thats how i got this: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[22:49] <Ari-Yang> emif-, google some more?
[22:49] <xubuntuGruff> google the issue emif. something like: after installation, driver xxx(your driver) not detected
[22:49] <wilee-nilee> emif-, Not sure but do those instructions include a reboot?
[22:50] <emif-> i rebooted, still not detected
[22:50] <OerHeks> !google
[22:50] <xubuntuGruff> if it's a driver, he probably needs to reboot
[22:50] <xubuntuGruff> !google
[22:50] <emif-> she
[22:50] <emif-> thats my vga, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[22:50] <brainwash> emif-, install mesa-utils to get rid of "driver: unknown"
[22:50] <Ari-Yang> ^ that might help....
[22:51] <xubuntuGruff> howcome i dont have access to those commands?
[22:51] <emif-> ok just a sec
[22:51] <bazhang> xubuntuGruff, dont recommend google here
[22:51] <OerHeks> xubuntuGruff, repeating within a minute or so is blocked
[22:51] <schultza> how do i get libreoffice to not use the unity menu for its menu? ubuntu 12.04 + libreoffice <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:52] <xubuntuGruff> oh for spammers
[22:52] <xubuntuGruff> who would spam an IRC though. really
[22:52] <icesmurf> does anyone know how to add a vlan with a vlanid > 100 via the network manager interface?
[22:52] <exad> Hello, I'm trying to get sound working through HDMI with my HD6850 I tried aplay -l to get a list of audio devices and then created an asound.conf but that didn't seem to do it. Then I tried the alsa daily ppa, but that didn
[22:52] <exad> t
[22:52] <exad> seem to work either, any suggestions?
[22:53] <OerHeks> xubuntuGruff, no, 20 people here can have the same bright idea to type !google to answer, that would flood the service.
[22:53] <xubuntuGruff> if i installed ubuntu without a swap area, will it work?
[22:53] <emif-> brainwash, i installed it, and now its giving me; Intel® Sandybridge Mobile x86/MMX/SSE2
[22:53] <compdoc> xubuntuGruff, yes
[22:53] <emif-> So that means my vga is installed well?
[22:53] <bazhang> !swap > xubuntuGruff
[22:53] <romtsjo> guys! who can help me with my problem?
[22:53] <bazhang> !manual | xubuntuGruff have a read first
[22:54] <OerHeks> sure ubuntu will work without swap, although you cannot hybernate/sleep
[22:54] <wilee-nilee> you can sleep, no hibernate
[22:55] <bazhang> romtsjo, what s the issue
[22:55] <OerHeks> oh, you are correct, wilee-nilee
[22:55] <brainwash> emif-, i think so, ubuntu doesn't ship with mesa-utils by default, so the information can't be displayed, but the driver should work ok
[22:55] <gunitinug> how to play xbox 360 on ubuntu?
[22:55] <xubuntuGruff> Ive been using linux for a while now. I dont think I need a manual for learning how to use it. This partition shit isnt working for me.
[22:55] <romtsjo> bazhang, when I install 13.04 - my ethernet is going out
[22:55] <emif-> brainwash, still the unity launcher icons are some how blur
[22:55] <bazhang> xubuntuGruff, no cursing here
[22:56] <romtsjo> bazhang, I have only VPN network on it
[22:56] <bluewulf> I'm still having dificulties with the wifi driver
[22:56] <gunitinug> how to play x box 360 on ubuntu?
[22:56] <exad> lol
[22:56] <Liam-> has anyone build the tb_userspace/tb_tun program, and would be able to assist me? i'm getting funky errors :s
[22:56] <romtsjo> bazhang, my eth0 adapter is Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX
[22:57] <MonkeyDust> !info xboxdrv | gunitinug there's this
[22:57] <Guest97308> Hi
[22:58] <MonkeyDust> gunitinug  in a terminal, type apt-cache show xboxdrv
[22:58] <GunArm1> does the diff command work on binary files?  i dont care about the content differences just a yes or no if they are different
[22:59] <exad> Hello, I'm trying to get sound working through HDMI with my HD6850 I tried aplay -l to get a list of audio devices and then created an asound.conf but that didn't seem to do it. Then I tried the alsa daily ppa, but that didn't work either. Also, I've made sure to unmute the device in alsamixer. I'm not too sure what else I can try. :/
[22:59] <xubuntuGruff> i finally understand why dualbooting is impossible
[22:59] <bluewulf> Dual booting isn't....
[22:59] <bluewulf> I'm on a dualboot right now....
[22:59] <xubuntuGruff> exad is the audio driver installed?
[23:00] <exad> Well I installed the ati closed source ati drivers xubuntuGruff
[23:00] <xubuntuGruff> my dual boot died bluewulf. I did everything correctly, and it doesnt even show me an option to boot from linux
[23:00] <bluewulf> Well, It may have been something with the way you installed.
[23:00] <bluewulf> XubuntuGruff did you start with windows?
[23:00] <exad> IIt seems to have added another audio device after I did so, in aplay -l described as HDMI
[23:00] <xubuntuGruff> i had a partitioned HDD
[23:00] <xubuntuGruff> yes I did
[23:01] <xubuntuGruff> it was 2 NTFS partitions
[23:01] <bluewulf> I did too, it works fine
[23:01] <bluewulf> Oh, haha don't do that!]
[23:01] <exad> Oooo, I wonder if my integrated graphics are enabled in BIOS as I was using Windows 7 before....
[23:01] <exad> BRB
[23:01] <wilee-nilee> xubuntuGruff, Did you install ubuntu from windows?
[23:01] <xubuntuGruff> no wilee-nilee. I booted from the disk
[23:01] <romtsjo> bazhang, any ideas?
[23:02] <bluewulf> The partitionings annoying, so partition an area of free space from windows, and use the disk to put it on the empty space.
[23:02] <xubuntuGruff> I used ext4 file system? is that the issue?
[23:02] <bazhang> romtsjo, what does ifconfig show? eth0 lo wlan0 or what
[23:02] <wilee-nilee> xubuntuGruff, well, personally I have 4 OS on my ssd so multibooting is rather easy.
[23:02] <bluewulf> It can be. The way the partitioning was set up for what I'm using, a weird version of linux (backtrack) is being a but.
[23:02] <romtsjo> bazhang, only lo
[23:02] <bluewulf> See, look at him. Butt. @wilee-nilee
[23:03] <bluewulf> Does anyone have like, a compilation of broadcam fixes? haha
[23:03] <romtsjo> bazhang, but in network-manager I have only VPN
[23:03] <xubuntuGruff> im trying to google installation instructions for xubuntu but they dont have anything weirdly
[23:04] <xubuntuGruff> its weird how many problems ubuntu has and yet mint hardly has any
[23:04] <bluewulf> This is why I just use windows. But all the USEFUL programs are on linux
[23:05] <gunitinug> i run ubuntu on virtual box
[23:05] <bluewulf> not an option for me, I'm working on network hacking. Which requires a network card.
[23:05] <bluewulf> That works.
[23:05] <xubuntuGruff> like which ones? bluewulf
[23:06] <bluewulf> Like which ones what?
[23:06] <xubuntuGruff> bluewulf try linux mint with a wubi install. its almost as easy to use as windows
[23:06] <bluewulf> I'm just having trouble installing my networking card.
[23:06] <xubuntuGruff> which useful programs? bluewulf
[23:06] <bluewulf> I just meant that windows comes pre-built in almost everything
[23:07] <bluewulf> XubunutuGruff, look up Backtrack.
[23:07] <xubuntuGruff> windows also has hardware/vendor support. linux is pretty much on its own there
[23:07] <bluewulf> And they're all network sniffing, packet injecting, and rainbowtables
[23:07] <bluewulf> I'm learning network security, but at this point, I wish I could take a proffesional class.
[23:09] <bluewulf> @ubuntugruff any help for broadcam beyond that !broadcam thing?
[23:09] <exad> Nah, Onboard HDMI and HDMI audio both disabled in BIOS so I'm at a loss -_-
[23:09] <exad> Maybe I'll just sell my 6850 and use onboard HDMI until I can get an nvidia card
[23:10] <bluewulf> What's your trouble exad?
[23:10] <romtsjo> bazhang, so what can I do?
[23:10] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2115659   romtsjo here
[23:11] <[deXter]> exad, If you're planning to use the open-source drivers, I would recommend an ATi card instead.
[23:11] <exad> I'm using a 6850 now and the closed source drivers aren't working
[23:11] <xubuntuGruff> theres definitely alot more people in this IRC, why are they all quiet?
[23:12] <exad> xubuntuGruff: idling?
[23:12] <exad> it IS irc afterall....
[23:12] <bluewulf> And I've tried a bunch of different things, can anyone look directly at my error file?
[23:12] <xubuntuGruff> pastebin.com bluewulf. let me see
[23:12] <exad> [deXter]: I don't see why I would buy another ATI card when I can't get the sound working on this one
[23:13] <bluewulf> http://pastebin.com/Hze6GSj0
[23:13] <xubuntuGruff> give me 5 minutes i need to release fluids from my urinary tract
[23:13] <[deXter]> exad, You can't go into sound settings and change the output device?
[23:15] <romtsjo> bazhang, thanks. I'll use it
[23:15] <bazhang> !ot | xubuntuGruff
[23:16] <exad> [deXter]: nope
[23:16] <exad> doesn't show up there.
[23:17] <uvala> a number of bookmarked channels have disappeared from Xchat client, including all ubuntu-related ones. did this happen to you with Xchat?
[23:17] <gunitinug> uvala no
[23:17] <bazhang> uvala, put them back in the auto join list
[23:18] <gunitinug> reinstall xchat
[23:18] <bazhang> gunitinug, bad advice
[23:18] <uvala> bazhang, they disappeared from there. I could put them manually again, but that's bizarre
[23:18] <bazhang> uvala, that bookmark this channel has never worked that I have seen
[23:19] <bluewulf> Bumms
[23:19] <exad> I'm gonna try uninstalling my ati drivers as I did the automatic install and instead generate a distro specific installer, see if that helps
[23:19] <uvala> bazhang, we're talking about right click to "add to favourites", right?
[23:19] <bazhang> uvala, yes
[23:20] <bluewulf> Linux is a butttt.
[23:20] <bazhang> bluewulf, lets stay on topic
[23:21] <uvala> bazhang, is this not something that needs to be reported if it's never worked properly?
[23:21] <bluewulf> haha, I'm still having trouble, It's so annoying.
[23:21] <xubuntuGruff> shit man. look at that log u sent
[23:21] <bazhang> uvala, you could report a bug; I just use the auto join feature setting
[23:22] <bazhang> xubuntuGruff, no cursing here
[23:22] <bluewulf> yeah, Xubuntugruff, Why is nvidia in there anyways? I was trying to activate a networking card...
[23:22] <bazhang> uvala, there is also the channel #xchat , perhaps they have a workaround
[23:23] <uvala> oh, thank you. I'll drop by there now
[23:23] <xubuntuGruff> it cant be a dependency
[23:23] <xubuntuGruff> BroadcomWLHandler enabled() is the wireless 1
[23:23] <bluewulf> Could that be my ethernet controller?
[23:24] <bluewulf> I have the driver D/loaded, but I can't activate.
[23:25] <Ari-Yang> fglrx sucks.........
[23:25] <gunitinug> !ubuntu
[23:27] <xubuntuGruff> is the driver a .deb file?
[23:27] <xubuntuGruff> its sometimes easier to just build the package from a .deb
[23:27] <bluewulf> So I move that .log file, and run the activate from system/administration/hardware drivers, and it doesn't even write to the log....
[23:27] <exad> i agree with you Ari-Yang
[23:28] <Ari-Yang> *nod*
[23:28] <bluewulf> I have the tar On my desktop
[23:28] <xubuntuGruff> !google
[23:28] <xubuntuGruff> build the package yourself. it'll work methinks
[23:28] <bluewulf> Uhm... hit me. I've tried, but don't know how
[23:29]  * Liam- hits bluewulf
[23:29] <gunitinug> i need to poop
[23:29] <Liam-> ...
[23:29] <Ari-Yang> brb
[23:29] <bluewulf> Thanks.
[23:29] <xubuntuGruff> you dont know how to build tar packages? ok let me find the info for it'
[23:30] <bluewulf> !tar
[23:30] <bluewulf> WOAH
[23:30] <bluewulf> !gz
[23:30] <bluewulf> Well, it was worth a try
[23:30] <petey> is there any command i can use that'll take all the files in a folder
[23:30] <petey> and rename them like photo1.jpg, photo2.jpg, etc
[23:31] <bluewulf> @petey that should be an easy thing to write, methinks.
[23:31] <xubuntuGruff> that bot is giving shit commands
[23:31] <xubuntuGruff> here use this link
[23:32] <xubuntuGruff> http://askubuntu.com/questions/25961/how-to-install-a-tar-gz-or-tar-bz2-file
[23:32] <petey> what would that be called bluewulf
[23:32] <gunitinug> !bash
[23:32] <petey> how would i go about it
[23:32] <bluewulf> All you have to do is find the command for renaming files, and set up a loop to rename them.
[23:32] <petey> makes sense
[23:32] <petey> thanks
[23:34] <gunitinug> !bash script
[23:34] <bazhang> gunitinug, /msg ubottu
[23:35] <VisceralSound> Would anyone happen to have a solution to my problem in this? I'm having an issue installing my Realtek driver for my wireless card (an Asus PCE-N15) which seems to have a common issue with Linux http://askubuntu.com/questions/292751/issues-installing-wireless-network-driver/292806?noredirect=1#comment368183_292806
[23:36] <bluewulf> gosh i wish i could desktop share...
[23:36] <delarge> hello there, Somebody know some PDF viewer that plays a AVI file embedded in PDF?
[23:38] <LTCoinM> no ban evading
[23:38] <LTCoinM> or else
[23:38] <LTCoinM> get out xubuntuBluff
[23:38] <bluewulf> uhm so xubuntubluff wasn't supposed to be here?
[23:39] <bluewulf> !pm
[23:40] <bluewulf> well....
[23:41] <labyrinth> How can I allow non-admin users to add a printer in GUI in 12.04?
[23:42] <terry2776> bluewulf: maybe the person that banned him will be able to assist
[23:42] <bluewulf> I tried...
[23:42] <bluewulf> I don;t know how to pm..
[23:42] <bluewulf> Anyone know how to build the broadcam driver
[23:45] <gunitinug> can u install ubuntu in virtual box and inside virtual box install another ubuntu using wubi?
[23:47] <bluewulf> I'm gonna go cri for a bit
[23:48] <terry2776> yeah kind of rude for that guy to ban your helper and not clean up the mess he created for you
[23:48] <LTCoinM> hey xubuntu101
[23:48] <LTCoinM> why don't you get out
[23:48] <bluewulf> LTCoin!!!
[23:48] <LTCoinM> you appear to be ban evading
[23:49] <LTCoinM> hi Blue11
[23:49] <bluewulf> LTCoin!
[23:49] <uvala> bazhang, thank you, Xchat developer has been most helpful!
[23:49] <LTCoinM> do i know you bluewulf ?
[23:49] <bluewulf> Hey, can you like, wait a second to ban him? he was helping me get my adapter working
[23:49] <bluewulf> Yeah. Youve been banning the guy trying to help me...
[23:49] <bluewulf> What did he even do?
[23:50] <bluewulf> Wowwwww
[23:50] <VisceralSound> Would anyone happen to have a solution to my problem in this? I'm having an issue installing my Realtek driver for my wireless card (an Asus PCE-N15) which seems to have a common issue with Linux http://askubuntu.com/questions/292751/issues-installing-wireless-network-driver/292806?noredirect=1#comment368183_292806
[23:50] <bluewulf> Dick.
[23:52] <bluewulf> I wish I had hellllpppp
[23:52] <bluewulf> The linnnuxxx commmmunnnittttyyy suuuuucckkkks
[23:52] <bluewulf> Thiiiiissss Is whhhhyyyyy innnnddiiiiiannnnn guuuuysss makkkkeeee mooonnneeyyyy
[23:52] <somsip> !ops
[23:53] <Monte> bluewulf: do you need help or just here to spam?
[23:53] <bluewulf> I need help, but the only person who tried got banned for some reason...
[23:53] <bluewulf> I still can't activate my driver, and I've been through a number of proccesses.
[23:53] <Monte> may I private message you bluewulf ?
[23:54] <bluewulf> Suree
[23:56] <uvala> to avoid viruses getting from a malicious web link/page to your home directory, is it a secure way to chroot-jail the ".mozilla" folder?