[00:02] <highvoltage> depends on your definition of usable
[00:03] <highvoltage> stgraber is sitting next to me and saying "come on, of course it's usable" :)
[07:21] <linda> How to remove the wiki page link for a state from kgeography app?
[14:45] <Mitchell_M> has anyone had experience editing .desktop files?
[14:45] <Mitchell_M> If so, can you explain to me how to edit .desktop files to allow a shortcut to appear on the Ubuntu launcher for all users?
[14:48] <alkisg> Mitchell_M: http://askubuntu.com/questions/73096/how-to-make-applications-pinned-in-launcher-appear-for-all-users
[14:49] <Mitchell_M> alkisg: oh, well that's convenient :D
[14:49] <alkisg> :)
[14:56] <Mitchell_M> alkisg: Now I assume that 'pinned-application1.desktop' is replaced with the apps I want pinned. I know this is simple,but still >.<
[14:56] <alkisg> Mitchell_M: ls /usr/share/applications
[14:57] <Mitchell_M> alkisg: Oh, I see. I should put the full location -> /usr/share/applications/app.desktop instead of pinned-application
[14:57] <alkisg> No, just the file name, not the path
[14:58] <alkisg> It knows to look in that directory
[14:58] <Mitchell_M> kk, even better
[22:53] <cog> hi Q:)
[23:43] <edu-sysadmin> hi
[23:43] <edu-sysadmin> is the 12.04 web session not working for anyone else?
[23:43] <edu-sysadmin> WebLive
[23:43] <edu-sysadmin> it could be because im in Hawaii


[11:01] <blackflow> Hello. How does one effectively recommend a factoid for ubottu. Should I open a bug report? It's missing one for 'snap(s)'.
[11:04] <Unit193> Usually you just !snap is <reply> Snaps are strange new packaging that in some ways are like flatpaks, they are available in the usual Software Center too.   While trying not to sound like an advertisement.
[11:04] <Unit193> (Then, !snaps is <alias> snap)
[11:05] <blackflow> I did that a few times in the past month or two, but I don't know if that was seen and acknowledged.
[11:06] <Unit193> Then ubottu should have said "Thanks for your suggestion, it's been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops" (And I don't remember seeing it, but my brain tends to filter snaps out)
[11:07] <blackflow> Unit193: that's why I'm asking what's the _effective_ way to recommend a factoid :)  from what I learn, doing it through the bot requires someone to see it at that moment and react....
[11:08] <blackflow> so, LP bug against ubuntu-bots ?
[11:08] <Unit193> I would think that'd be one of the least effective methods.
[11:08] <Unit193> Where did you do it and did you get a PM from ubottu like what I stated above?
[11:10] <blackflow> yes the bot did respond
[11:11] <Unit193> 06/#ubuntu-ops.2018-06-10.log:09:23:55 <+ubottu> In ubottu, blackflow said: !snap is Snaps are containerised software packages similar to flatpaks or appimage. For more info, see https://snapcraft.io
[11:11] <Unit193> I see.
[11:11] <blackflow> yah, that'd be it :)


[06:23] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 16.10 - i386 - i386 built.
[07:06] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 16.10 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[14:20] <knome> Unit193, maaaaaybe.
[14:21] <knome> tbh, i think he was, but at some point i purged the long auto-approve list
[14:21] <knome> Unit193, done (re: doko)


[00:12] <xubuntu77d> is diagenes up here
[00:14] <xubuntu77d> does anyone without redirecting me know about how to get windows 10 up here
[00:21] <xubuntu77d> yo
[00:37] <quadrat> brainwash, just wanted to report back, so I tested debian, and I remembered wrong, in debian it at least doesn't crash, but the video output is just garbage
[00:38] <Unit193> Debian stable, buster/testing, or unstable/sid?
[00:40] <quadrat> Unit193, buster, as I can't use debian stable (kernel too old)
[00:42] <likemindead> I've installed the full xubuntu-desktop package on top of my Ubuntu 18.04 LTS install. There any problems I might have? I love Xubuntu so much more!
[00:43] <Unit193> Did you just install it as a meta, or did you install the task?
[00:43] <quadrat> likemindead, you shouldn't, and if there is a xubuntu package not working you still have the ubuntu packages (gui)
[00:43] <likemindead> Neat.
[00:44] <likemindead> Thanks!
[00:44] <likemindead> I'd say that 99% of my laptop use is Firefox & RetroArch.
[03:56] <xubuntu60w> can anyone here help with sound issues, no stereo, only mono
[04:08] <guiverc> xubuntu60w, you could try #ubuntu too, but the only mono issues i've ever had were result of faulty-cable
[15:49] <xubuntu75w> приветствую
[15:51] <xubuntu75w> hola
[15:51] <diogenes_> hi
[15:52] <gnrp> hi
[15:52] <m_ad[m]> o/
[17:03] <xubuntu22i> So.... Why did everyone here decide to choose Xubuntu rather than other flavors of debian? (looking for comparison info)
[17:04] <xubuntu22i> !nickserv
[17:04] <diogenes_> xubuntu22i, because people have different tastes, some like vanilla ice-cram, some chocolate and fruit.
[19:27] <Nielzie> hi
[19:27] <Nielzie> bye


[00:01] <sysErroR> I have openssl installed on my vps, and I compiled an IRCd with ssl support, yet, it can't find openSSL, can anyone help me?
[00:02] <unit3> sysErroR: which openssl package are you using?
[00:02] <unit3> hmm... looking at those topologies for UEC is interesting. it looks like it's yet another infrastructure with single points of failure. (CLC/Walrus/CC/SC)
[00:03] <unit3> I wish someone would design something that isn't that... where you have nodes, and any of them can also be the coordinating node, and if the coordinator disappears, they have an election and make a new one, transparently.
[00:03] <unit3> that'd be more useful for failover and management.
[00:03] <sysErroR> openssl.0.9.8g
[00:04] <sysErroR> Unpacking openssl (from .../openssl_0.9.8g-16ubuntu3_amd64.deb) ...
[00:06] <unit3> sysErroR: and what does "ldd" show for your binary, sysErroR?
[00:06] <unit3> erm, which missing ones, anyway?
[00:06] <sysErroR> sec
[00:07] <sysErroR> uh, I've never used ldd, what's the command to show missing binaries? sorry if I seem like a noob.
[00:08] <unit3> something like:
[00:08] <unit3> ldd myprogram | grep "not found"
[00:08] <unit3> ;)
[00:08] <unit3> or without the grep just to see all the lib dependancies.
[00:10] <xperia> unit3: i am just curios ! how can i test on my server what for ports are open at the moment?
[00:11] <unit3> xperia: nmap's good. only problem is you have to run it from somewhere outside your firewall to see reasonable results.
[00:11] <sysErroR> syserror@linode:~/ircd/etc$ ldd openssl
[00:11] <sysErroR> ldd: ./openssl: No such file or directory
[00:11] <sysErroR> syserror@linode:~/ircd/etc$
[00:11] <sysErroR> I might have done that wrong
[00:11] <unit3> sysErroR: you run it against the compiled binary you generated, whatever that's called.
[00:12] <unit3> whatever it is, it's probably not in the /etc subdir. ;)
[00:15] <unit3> xperia: if you just want to see what ports your server has open locally, you can use netstat. "netstat -tlpn" will tell you tcp ports, "netstat -ulpn" will tell you udp ports.
[00:15] <unit3> and what processes have them open, which is good for figuring out "mystery" ones. ;)
[00:22] <unit3> heh, finally found the answer to my own lvm q earlier (didn't look at man pages hard enough)
[00:22] <unit3> "vgscan --mknodes" was what I wanted. I knew it existed! ;)
[00:34] <Guest16660> hey i am running postfix on ubuntu server and can email myself and receive email from a windows server 2003 running hmail, but when i try to send from linux box to server 2003 I get a: "recipient address rejected: user unknown in local recipient table" any thoughts?
[00:35] <unit3> is server2003 running exchange or some other MTA? and is the user you're trying to send to set up there?
[00:36] <Guest16660> no just hmail, and the user is setup on the other end
[00:37] <unit3> in the error message you get back on the linux mail server, does it specify which mail server is giving that error (the linux one or the win2k3 one) and is there any more details?
[00:39] <Guest16660> the linux mail server is receiving the error from what appears to be the win2k3 server, and there are no more details beyond that.  There are also no log entries regarding the error.
[00:40] <billybigrigger> what about on the win2k server? surely an error report there no?
[00:41] <unit3> can you test sending to the same address on the win2k3 server just via telnet? that's always my fallback when I'm working with two MTAs and I don't know which one is misconfigured.
[00:41] <unit3> telnet to port 25 on the server, send it some raw (simple) smtp commands. see what happens.
[00:42] <Guest16660> no error in the logs on 2k3, but i can send to myself on 2k3, testing telnet now
[00:43] <piotrekm> hello
[00:43] <piotrekm> is it posible to configure own dns server to support subdomains for a dyndns domain?
[00:44] <unit3> Guest16660: ideally, you'd telnet from the linux server to the windows server on port 25, and then send a really simple message, and see if it gives you the same error.
[00:44] <unit3> piotrekm: I don't see why not, but that'll only work if your dyndns provider does subdomain delegation to you, which they might not do.
[00:45] <piotrekm> unit3: so it's not possible in every case?
[00:45] <unit3> nope.
[00:46] <Guest16660> telnet connection refused
[00:47] <Guest16660> i think my bind server might be off
[00:47] <unit3> erm, should have nothing to do with it. you're telnetting to port 25, right?
[00:47] <unit3> on the windows server?
[00:47] <Guest16660> yup
[00:47] <Guest16660> from linux to windows
[00:47] <unit3> well... sounds like it's not allowing connections from your linux box. which doesn't explain the error you got before.
[00:48] <unit3> were either of these machines working properly before this? or are they both new installs?
[00:49] <Guest16660> they are basically fresh installs and everything has been configured from scratch
[00:49] <unit3> ahhh... that's tough then, since you have two servers where you're not certain either are working or configured correctly.
[00:49] <unit3> I'd try them each against an external source, like a gmail account, to try and narrow down which one is broken, since it's unlikely to be both of them.
[00:49] <Guest16660> yeah i know, I pretty much have nothing to go off of
[00:50] <unit3> and from what we've discussed here, it sounds like it's the windows server. ;)
[00:50] <Guest16660> I will do that, I really appreciate the help
[00:50] <unit3> np
[00:53] <Hypnoz> anyone here familiar with making apt-get install silent? apt-get -y install nis still prompts me. Making it hard to put it in a pxe image
[00:53] <unit3> Hypnoz: did you try -qq like was suggested before? what did that do?
[00:53] <Hypnoz> it silenced output, but it still put up a full screen prompt for NIS domain
[00:54] <Hypnoz> tried --force-yes too
[00:54] <unit3> ahhh...
[00:54] <unit3> you need something to change the prompting level for debconf.
[00:54] <Hypnoz> hmm let me try a higher silence level
[00:55] <Hypnoz> apt-get install -q=2 didn't change anything
[00:57] <unit3> Hypnoz: http://blog.hjksolutions.com/articles/2007/07/27/unattended-package-installation-with-debian-and-ubuntu
[00:57] <unit3> that's probably a better solution, where you feed it the answers you want at install time.
[00:57] <Hypnoz> i'll read through, thanks for the link
[00:58] <unit3> np
[01:05] <kenyabob> Is there a way to configure postfix so that when I test comment forms on development sites, the addresses I send the test to dont reject it as spam?
[01:06] <unit3> not really... that type of classification is done on the receiving side, obviously, so unless you control the receiving mail servers, there's not much you can do about it.
[01:06] <unit3> sort of the point of spam filtering that the sender can't really influence how it gets classified. ;)
[01:06] <kenyabob> unit3, someone had mentioned trusted relay?
[01:07] <unit3> that works if you know what relays the receiver trusts. again, you'd sort of have to run those mail servers to know that.
[01:08] <unit3> if you have spam filtering options on the receiving side, you can possibly whitelist the addresses you're sending from.
[01:10] <kenyabob> So, really, there is no way to test out comment forms to other people when you are simple an unmarked machine and IP?
[01:16] <lamont> kenyabob: I certainly hope not.   at least not to random addresses...
[01:16] <unit3> kenyabob: sure there is, but it's dependant on the receiving mail server.
[01:17] <unit3> if you don't control the receiving mail server, then it's really not up to you how it's interpreted at the other end.
[01:17] <lamont> kenyabob: given the amount of effort that has gone into making it so that webform-generated spam gets dropped as spam, that is
[01:18] <unit3> for test purposes, you'd generally set up your own receiving mail server, and then test against that until you were ready to go live on a real web host.
[01:18] <unit3> that's usually sufficient.
[01:21] <ghostlines> does virt-manager work with the latest version of Xen?
[01:22] <unit3> it should, but check the libvirt page for Xen support info.
[01:23] <ghostlines> thanks will do
[01:24] <kenyabob> unit3, lamont, thanks guys
[01:36] <teddymills> is it possible to add mdadm to a single drive server?
[01:53] <RoAkSoAx> cemc, ping
[02:35] <krabador> this is the 64bit version of ubuntu?
[03:14] <billybigrigger> how come i can see one of my users logs in via ssh, but doesn't show in 'who' or 'last' commands?
[03:15] <billybigrigger> Dec  4 03:13:31 localhost sshd[10128]: Accepted password for matts from 7
[03:15] <billybigrigger> Dec  4 03:13:31 localhost sshd[10128]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user matts by (uid=0)
[03:19] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: Do other users that ssh in show up in last output just fine?  And does /var/log/wtmp exist on your machine?
[03:20] <billybigrigger> my regular user shows up in last and who
[03:20] <billybigrigger> wtmp exists yes
[03:21] <billybigrigger> i know root used to show up aswell, before i disabled root logins that is
[03:21] <jmarsden> teddymills: Yes, you can add mdadm to a single drive server.  If you want to take a giant performance hit, you can even create a "RAID array" made from two partitions of the same drive, but that is pretty silly... :)
[03:21] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: When matts logged in, did he in fact create a shell session, or was he using scp or something like that?
[03:22] <billybigrigger> ssh port forwarding
[03:22] <billybigrigger> that must be why he doesn't show then
[03:22] <jmarsden> Yes, if he isn't running a shell he won't show up in wtmp, I think.
[03:28] <teddymills> i installed ubuntu 8.043 server on single drive server test box..and installed mdadm after the install was done...then i changed the partitions to 'fd' to my amazement the system still boots up!. I changed the partions from ext3 to linux raid autodetect and installed mdadm AFTer the OS was installed. I think I am home free!
[04:57] <Orfeous> hi everyone!
[05:00] <Orfeous> trying to get slapd (LDAP server) to work! i have followed guides on https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html but i cant get it to work :( that tutorial is missing that on karmic when installing or configuring slapd there are no password configuration so the first steps doesnt work..
[05:03] <ScottK> Orfeous: It tends to be pretty quiet here this time of day.
[05:03] <ScottK> You might ask again during the normal US/European work day.
[05:04] <git___> hi
[05:05] <git___> what fs do you guys use when you install ubuntu server?
[05:05] <KurtKraut> ScottK, or asking in a forum, what would'nt require him and the person that may know the answer to be online at the same time :D
[05:06] <ScottK> KurtKraut: True, but in general I don't find forums are typically a source of expert advice.  Along those lines the ubuntu-server mailing list would be better, I think.
[05:07] <Orfeous> git___: EXT4 as default suggested
[05:07] <ScottK> git___: It depends a lot on what you're using it for and which release you are using.
[05:07] <git___> 9.10
[05:07] <Orfeous> but reiserfs on stuff data disks
[05:08] <Orfeous> ScottK: what time is it?
[05:08] <ScottK> git___: ext4 is the default.  Personally, I'm conservative, I still use ext3.
[05:09] <Orfeous> brb changing client..
[06:30] <Orfeous> ScottK: what time is it?
[06:31] <twb> Time to respect the rock?
[06:32] <Orfeous> its 07.32 overe here :P
[06:33] <Orfeous> time to sleep some hours then come back and ask about LDAP
[06:33] <Orfeous> see you!
[06:33] <RoyK> hehe
[06:33] <RoyK> Orfeous: have a coffee
[06:33]  * RoyK is in CET too
[06:34] <Orfeous> my GF just went to work ;) and i havent gone to bed yet
[06:35] <Orfeous> she know what my hobbie and biggest intrest is.
[06:35] <Orfeous> bye!
[07:58] <teddymills> 3am here at 7L, building seven i7 i920 servers.
[08:07] <twb> teddymills: 7L?
[08:33] <Aison> hello
[08:33] <Aison> I added some nfs shares to fstab
[08:33] <Aison> doing mount -a call after worked well
[08:33] <Aison> but now on reboot, the server hangs because it cant mount these shares
[08:34] <Aison> no idea why, but it guess the networkdevices aren't configured at that point
[08:36] <ivoks> hangs?
[08:36] <ivoks> ubuntu 9.10?
[08:36] <Aison> yes, ubuntu 9.10
[08:37] <Aison> ok, I can still boot
[08:37] <Aison> but it asks for my root password
[08:37] <Aison> then I can modify fstab, remove the nfs entries
[08:37] <Aison> and reboot
[08:37] <ivoks> so.. you have 0 2 on nfs shares?
[08:37] <ivoks> paste the line with nfs share
[08:37] <ivoks> in fstab
[08:38] <Aison> hmm, no, it's 0 1
[08:38] <Aison> is that the fault?
[08:38] <ivoks> replace that with 0 0
[08:38] <ivoks> 0 1 - stop everything if that can not be mounted
[08:38] <ivoks> there's a bug in 9.10, where network shares are started before networking
[08:39] <ivoks> so, combination of those two makes your system unbootable
[08:40] <tomodon> im currently at a university with an extra computer I would like to serve a page on over the network. I had it working well until it started getting an IPv6 address. I'm not sure how other computers could access it. Could I force it to get an IPv4 address?
[08:42] <ivoks> it gets ipv6 address?
[08:42] <ivoks> from dhcp?
[08:42] <ivoks> you don't get ipv6 address, you set it up
[08:43] <Aison> ivoks, it was 0 0 not 0 1
[08:43] <ivoks> 0 0 is ok
[08:43] <Aison> and the error is DNS Resolve failed for <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:43] <Aison> <IP_ADDRESS> is my nfs server
[08:44] <ivoks> DNS Resolve failed for <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:44] <ivoks> ?
[08:44] <ivoks> there's no dns resolving
[08:44] <Aison> yes, I know, but that's the error
[08:45] <ivoks> that's a client or server?
[08:45] <ivoks> how do you set up your ip?
[08:45] <Aison> client that can't boot
[08:45] <Aison> ok, this client is also a server ;)
[08:45] <ivoks> so, you have a static ip?
[08:46] <ivoks> static ip in /etc/network/interfaces?
[08:46] <Aison> yes, static, but i'm using bonding, to get 2gbit/s
[08:46] <Aison> http://pastebin.com/m4a18885e
[08:47] <Aison> for bonding, I also added /etc/modprobe.d/bonding.conf  to setup bonding module correctly
[08:47] <soren> Heheh...
[08:47] <Aison> maybe that's the problem
[08:47] <ivoks> heh...
[08:47] <soren> ttx: http://piware.de/workitems/server/lucid/report.html <--- We're in pretty good shape! :)
[08:47] <twb> NFS shares shouldn't have "0 1" or "0 2" or anything.  Just remove the fsck and dump fields entirely.
[08:47] <ttx> soren: haha
[08:48] <ttx> soren: let's take a few weeks off and fix that
[08:48] <soren> http://piware.de/workitems/qa/lucid/report.html <--- Not so much :)
[08:48]  * soren whistles innocently
[08:48] <ivoks> Aison: i would suggest adding post-up in interfaces for nfs shares
[08:48] <ttx> soren: you break things where you go, dude :)
[08:48] <soren> I can recognise me by my trail of destruction.
[08:48] <ivoks> Aison: there's a problem with network filesystems in ubuntu 9.10
[08:49] <ivoks> Aison: they are mounted before network is started :/
[08:49] <ivoks> 'mounted'
[08:49] <twb> The system *should* wait for the network to be up before attempting to mount NFS filesystems.  It does so for me!  Confirm that NetworkManager isn't installed.
[08:49] <Aison> that's what I suggested ;)
[08:49] <ivoks> Aison: so post-up command with mount should fix the issue
[08:49] <twb> ivoks: oh, sorry, I didn't know 9.10 had a problem
[08:50] <ivoks> soren: scott promised fix for network filesystems before network, right?
[08:50] <Aison> twb, network manager isn't installed
[08:50] <ivoks> for karmic
[08:51] <Aison> so where do I have to add this postup command?!?
[08:51] <ivoks> Aison: man interfaces
[08:52] <ivoks> post-up
[08:52] <ivoks> i'm off
[08:52] <soren> ivoks: I think he promised to fix Everything[tm].
[08:52] <ivoks> take care
[08:53] <soren> o/
[09:39] <Ng> huh, so installing eucalyptus takes over avahi?
[09:45]  * Ng hmms
[09:45] <Ng> so I only lose mdns for the CC machine if the eucalyptus upstart jobs are all stopped
[10:11] <soren> Ng: "Takes over" avahi?
[10:13] <Ng> soren: on my karmic eucalyptus machine, the avahi upstart job is telling it to use the config file /etc/eucalyptus/avahi-daemon.conf
[10:13] <Ng> I filed my particular concern about this as bug #492235 :)
[10:14] <soren> Ng: Interesting. I believe cjwatson masterminded the avahi stuff in Eucalyptus (unless someone changed it later on). Perhaps he can shed some light.
[10:15] <Ng> soren: I'm entirely confident that his grasp on the subtleties of this is significantly tighter than mine :)
[10:17] <twb> Hehe, "masterminded"
[10:21] <cjwatson> Ng: this is changed in lucid already
[10:21] <Ng> aha :)
[10:21] <cjwatson> it was kirkland's workaround for a bug, which I've now fixed in a different way
[10:21] <cjwatson> well, by "in lucid" I mean "in eucalyptus bzr not yet uploaded"
[10:22] <twb> Is eucalyptus an Ubuntu-specific thing?  I assumed it was an upstream project.
[10:22] <cjwatson> it is an upstream project
[10:22] <twb> Righto
[10:22] <cjwatson> however Ubuntu is doing a lot of work with it
[10:22] <cjwatson> oh, actually, I think my changes have been uploaded now
[10:23] <cjwatson> kirkland: when doing the sort of thing you did with eucalyptus bzr that creates two changelog stanzas, please use debuild -v so that your upload automatically closes bugs properly
[10:23] <cjwatson> kirkland: in fact, it would have been better to merge the unreleased stanza into the one you were uploading
[10:24] <Pupeno> I have an ubuntu machine running Zope and Apache with WordPress on MySQL and it can't server more than 100 visits per hour without running out of it 720MB of RAM. Is that normal?
[10:25] <twb> Interesting; I'd always just sent emails to NNN-done (with a Version: M-1 on the first line), since I didn't know about dpkg-genchanges -v.
[10:26] <twb> Pupeno: by "visits" do you mean individual GET requests?
[10:26] <Pupeno> twb: yes.
[10:26] <twb> Pupeno: how much ram do those services use when you first start them?
[10:27] <Pupeno> twb: I've restarted half an hour ago, let me check.
[10:27] <twb> I mean 720MB just to BOOT UP wouldn't surprise me if it was Java
[10:28] <cjwatson> twb: if you're going to do that with debbugs, it's better to imitate dak precisely and use Source: and Source-Version:
[10:28] <cjwatson> there are some slight semantic differences
[10:28] <Pupeno> Zope is using the most at 152mb.
[10:28] <Pupeno> Apache second with 46mb.
[10:28] <twb> cjwatson: ah, thanks.
[10:28] <Pupeno> Generally the first process to be killed due to out of memory is MySQL.
[10:29] <Pupeno> Hold on, I think I'm reading the numbers wrong. That is VIRT in top.
[10:29] <twb> Pupeno: certainly a badly-written app could achieve that kind of resource usage.  I don't know how fugly zope and wordpress are internally.
[10:29] <Pupeno> MySQL is already at 131m.
[10:29] <twb> Pupeno: you'll also want to check that it's not doing something coincidentally, like rebuilding an index or something.
[10:30] <Pupeno> twb: well, zope never receives those visits. I mention it just because they eat a big part of the 720MB.
[10:30] <Pupeno> twb: it happened pretty consistently. The last three times my blog was on reddit, my server died.
[10:31] <twb> Shrug
[10:31] <twb> That kind of silliness is why I prefer simple, static infrastructure like ikiwiki.
[11:00]  * soren goes to lunch
[11:11] <nyk2005> Hi! My ubuntu server just crashed last night because of low memory condition. In /var/log/messages I saw that when the kernel handled the low memory situation, it only saw 1.3GB swap as free, which is the swap partition on an SD disk, but I added an additional 25GB swap file on a raid5 to give it room in low memory situation. Why didn't the kernel use it?
[11:13] <nyk2005> cat /proc/meminfo shows SwapTotal: 27547744 kB, but in the last message from the kernel before it killed syslog it says Total swap = 1333352kB
[11:14] <nyk2005> So why didn't it use the swap file?
[11:18] <kirkland> cjwatson: good point; will do so in the future
[11:19] <kirkland> cjwatson: sorry about that
[11:19] <cjwatson> np, I closed the bugs by hand
[11:51] <soren> nyk2005: And you're confident it knew about that 25 GB swap file yesterday?
[11:53] <Aison> re
[11:55] <Aison> how do I suppress error codes on commandline again?  eg. i've got "post-up mount /mnt/public" in my interfaces. but it shouldn't fail, even when the mount command fails
[11:57] <arj> || true ?
[11:57] <arj> without the ? obviously
[11:58] <nyk2005> soren: yes, very confident!
[12:02] <BeardedChimp> I'm trying to DNAT incoming packets on a ppp0 interface, however even if i do iptables -t nat -i ppp0 -j ACCEPT ; it doesn't show any packets when I do iptables -t nat -nL ; Does anyone know why this might be happening? They do come up if i do iptables -t mangle -i ppp0 .... but i dont want to mangle them i want to nat them
[12:03] <soren> nyk2005: Can you check? Do you your full syslog all the way back to when it was added?
[12:03] <twb> BeardedChimp: you can't ACCEPT in a nat table; it's not meaningful to do so.
[12:03] <twb> BeardedChimp: talk to #netfilter about it.
[12:06] <nyk2005> soren: yes..
[12:07] <soren> nyk2005: Try grepping for "Adding .* swap"
[12:09] <Aison> arj, I think it's something like 2>&1
[12:09] <nyk2005> soren: Dec  3 11:31:50 biodata2 kernel: [603121.488761] Adding 26214392k swap on /mnt/raid/swap_file.  Priority:-2 extents:7 across:81774840k
[12:09] <arj> Aison, that does not prevent it from failing
[12:09] <twb> Aison: 2>/dev/null will suppress error MESSAGES.  || true will suppress the error EXIT STATUS, which is what post-up cares about.
[12:10] <arj> but that supresses the messages, not the codes
[12:10] <arj> what he said
[12:10] <Aison> ok, thx
[12:10] <soren> nyk2005: Ok. which kernel version is this?
[12:13] <BeardedChimp> twb: Ah, I was only doing accept to demonstrate that it wasn't recognising the packets
[12:14] <BeardedChimp> twb: If i did -j DNAT .... it still picks up no packets
[12:14] <soren> BeardedChimp: which chain are you adding this rule to?
[12:15] <BeardedChimp> nat
[12:15] <BeardedChimp> prerouting
[12:16] <BeardedChimp> ie. iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i ppp0 -j DNAT --to-destination ....
[12:17] <twb> BeardedChimp: #netfilter handles this question every day.  I encourage you to talk to them about it.
[12:17] <BeardedChimp> Yeah I've gone in there, cheers for the #
[12:29] <nyk2005> soren: Linux biodata2 2.6.31-15-server #50-Ubuntu SMP Tue Nov 10 15:50:36 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:30] <soren> nyk2005: Ok. Sorry, I don't know. You could ask in #ubuntu-kernel. They should know better than I.
[12:32]  * soren hides for an hour or so to do some hacking
[12:41] <Aison> strange, I installed phpsysinfo on both servers
[12:41] <Aison> on one server it works, on the other it tries to download the php file?!?
[12:41] <Aison> wt
[12:41] <arj> install php
[12:42] <Aison> it is installed?!?
[12:43] <arj> oh?!?
[12:44] <RoyK> Aison: perhaps you're missing php file handle
[12:45] <RoyK> filetype
[12:45] <RoyK> don't remember
[12:45] <Aison> well, it's quite funny, because both servers are installed exactly the same way ;)
[12:45]  * RoyK blames Bill Gates
[12:47] <Aison> damn crap
[12:49] <Aison> ok, now it's working
[12:50] <Aison> hmm, but just with knoqueror ;) firefox still try to download the file
[12:50] <Aison> lol
[12:50] <arj> cache?!?
[12:56] <RoyK> erm
[13:28] <soren> zul: Can you make Jos the approver of https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-lucid-improve-testcases again?
[13:29] <zul> soren: yep
[13:29] <kane_> zul: actually, i was trying to pass that to marjo
[13:29] <soren> kane_: ^ That way you should get access to fiddle with it again.
[13:29] <zul> done
[13:30] <soren> zul: No, that's the assignee.
[13:30] <zul> whoops done ;)
[13:30] <zul> meh need more caffine
[13:31] <kane_> i think zul knew exactly what he was doing ;)
[13:31] <soren> kane_: There we go. Now you should be able to do with it what you want :)
[13:31] <soren> kane_: Heh :)
[13:31] <xperia> hello to all. i am trying to get the php extension xdebug on my ubuntu server to run but for some reason i have problems with this.
[13:31] <xperia> i was able with "sudo pecl install xdebug" to fetch and install the extension on my server.
[13:31] <xperia> in the php.ini file /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini i have added this line here "extension=xdebug.so" and restarted apache2
[13:31] <xperia> but php -m dont show me that the extension was loaded till yet.
[13:31] <xperia> can somebody help me with this ?
[13:31] <zul> yeah it was a freudian slip
[13:33] <soren> xperia: /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini is the config file for mod_php5.
[13:33] <soren> xperia: If you run php from the command line, you're not using mod_php5.
[13:33] <soren> xperia: If you want xdebug to work from the command line, you should also tweak /etc/php5/cli/php.ini
[13:34] <xperia> hmmm i am using a normal ubuntu server setup. in this case i have then also to change /etc/php5/cli/php.ini
[13:34] <xperia> okay thanks
[13:37] <xperia> soren: woow it has worked ! thanks
[13:37] <soren> xperia: sure
[13:51] <Aison> i'm searching a web filebrowser for my fileserver, possibly with ldap authentication
[14:15] <Aison> can somebody explain how to add a new schema to ldap?!? with this new cn=config crap of 9.10 I don't get it :(
[14:17] <sommer_> Aison: here's a guide: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html
[14:20] <Aison> hmm, thx, I always used this docu: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html
[14:20] <Aison> there it's guite strange
[14:21] <sommer> Aison: ya, that section didn't get updated for some changes in the slapd package for 9.10.  If you have any issues with the doc.ubuntu.com guide (which is the "beta" version) let me know
[14:22] <Aison> nice, with your docu it's better to understand :D
[14:34] <tdn> smartmontools tells me that my disk has 10 in  reallocated_sector_ct. Is this bad? And how serious is it?
[14:52] <Aison> weeee, radius with ldap is working (proud) lol
[15:00] <jdstrand> ttx: hey, would you mind looking at my comments in bug #274350?
[15:00] <jdstrand> ttx: I'd like to get likewise and apparmor playing well together for lucid
[15:02] <ttx> jdstrand: that's a worthy goal :)
[15:03] <jdstrand> ttx: I'm confident it can be done, we just need to think about it a bit
[15:05] <ttx> jdstrand: I think forcing to use /home/likewise-open/NAME_OF_AD_DOMAIN/username as home directory is a little... heavy
[15:06] <ttx> jdstrand: also there is the upgrade scenario that may get complex
[15:06] <jdstrand> ttx: this is only for new installs
[15:06] <jdstrand> ttx: upgrades have presumably fixed the profile
[15:06] <jdstrand> people doing upgrades have presumably fixed the profile
[15:07] <ttx> jdstrand: could a file with accepted domain names be dropped somewhere and the tunable use it ?
[15:07] <jdstrand> ttx: I see administrative benefits to putting them in /home/likewise-open as well-- it is much easier to do local backups, etc
[15:07] <jdstrand> ttx: yes
[15:07] <jdstrand> ttx: we need to update the tools, but it can be done
[15:08] <ttx> jdstrand: because I /think/ the domain name is a known quantity once we join the domain
[15:08] <jdstrand> though I guess if %D doesn't really change, there aren't many admin benefits
[15:08] <ttx> jdstrand: I'd suggest discussing the issue with Jerry Carter, he knows the likewise side of the story better than I do
[15:09] <jdstrand> ttx: when installing likewise, are you prompted to configure %D?
[15:09] <ttx> jdstrand: and will get very creative to avoid creating homedirs in a subdirectory :)
[15:09] <ttx> jdstrand: no, but you actively join the domain
[15:09] <ttx> so the domainjoin tool could drop/modify the tunable
[15:10] <ttx> though there is this domain trust thing... joining one domain for auth might give you several "users" domain
[15:10] <ttx> ... and we are almost reaching the limits of my AD knowledge
[15:11] <ttx> jdstrand: I'll send an email to Jerry introducing the issue and yourself to him
[15:11]  * jdstrand wonders if apparmor would need to be reloaded in that scenario...
[15:12] <jdstrand> jjohansen: if I change /etc/apparmor.d/tunables/home, do I have to regenerate all the cached profiles?
[15:12] <ttx> I don 't want us to design a solution that would end up breaking likewise-open usage, just because we ignore a lot about likewise-open ;)
[15:12] <jdstrand> ttx: sure
[15:12] <jjohansen> jdstrand: yes
[15:13] <jdstrand> ttx: we carry our own lwiauthd.conf, and 'template homedir' is configurable, so it seemed like an easy change
[15:13] <jjohansen> jdstrand: currently the parser only check the stamp on the profile file, and not any of its dependencies (includes)
[15:13] <jdstrand> jjohansen: ok
[15:13] <jjohansen> something we intend to fix
[15:14] <jdstrand> ttx: what is Jerry's nick again? is it coffeedude?
[15:14] <ttx> yes
[15:14] <jdstrand> (seems like it may be...)
[15:15] <ttx> coffeedude: around ?
[15:15] <jdstrand> coffeedude: hi! when you get a chance, can you look at bug #274350?
[15:15] <ttx> jdstrand: I follow-up to him with an email
[15:15] <ttx> just in case he misses the notice
[15:15] <jdstrand> jjohansen: if you want to peek at that bug too, I surely wouldn't mind ;)
[15:16] <jdstrand> ttx: can you privmsg me his email?
[15:16] <coffeedude> ttx, hey
[15:16] <ttx> You'll have his email in 2 minutes, whe you receive the cc :)
[15:16] <ttx> arh
[15:17]  * ttx drops his email draft
[15:17] <ttx> coffeedude: Just a quick reminder, we are expecting the bugs being filed (with appropriate fixes) to kerberos and openldap by December 7 :)
[15:17] <coffeedude> Is this the apparmor home directory things?
[15:17] <ttx> coffeedude: yes
[15:17] <coffeedude> ttx, I know.
[15:17] <jdstrand> coffeedude: yeah
[15:17] <ttx> coffeedude: Most solutions involve confining homedirs created by likewise-open in a specific directory, which might not look very good from a user perspective.
[15:18] <ttx> but more subtle solutions might break likewise-open or require some actions from domainjoin
[15:18] <coffeedude> let me loot at the whole thing.  brb.
[15:18] <jdstrand> coffeedude: if you read my latest comment in the bug, the current situation and problem should be clear
[15:21] <coffeedude> Hey jdstrand.  Yeah.  It's pretty clear.  I don't think most user's would really care where the home directory goes initially.  And if they did (e.g. nfs mounts), then they probably manage that themselves anyways.
[15:21] <coffeedude> jdstrand, ttx, that said....upgrades would be a pain.
[15:22] <jdstrand> coffeedude: well, I wasn't really thinking we would do anything on upgrades
[15:22] <coffeedude> jdstrand, or would be leave the home directory template left as is on an upgrade?
[15:22] <jdstrand> coffeedude: we'd punt, assuming they already adjusted tunables before now
[15:22] <jdstrand> coffeedude: exactly
[15:23] <coffeedude> jdstrand, I'm kind of a noob wrt to apparmor.  When you modify a profile, does it require an apparmor reload or reboot or reparse or something?
[15:23] <jdstrand> coffeedude: yes
[15:23] <jdstrand> coffeedude: it is just one command though
[15:24] <coffeedude> jdstrand, Modifying the @HOMEDIRS in apparmor during domain join is not really a viable option either since new domain trusts maybe added after the join....template homedir = /home/likewise-open/%D/%U seems best.
[15:24] <jdstrand> coffeedude: I might say that this bug is as old as likewise is in Ubuntu, so likewise users in the past have had to do something to tunables anyway. it is new installs I'd like to get fixed
[15:25] <ttx> coffeedude: yes, that was my fear
[15:25] <jdstrand> coffeedude: that is excellent news, and the most easy to implement :)
[15:25] <coffeedude> jdstrand, ttx, I'll go ahead and add that change the likewise-open 5.4 packaging....
[15:25] <jdstrand> so, just need to (not) handle upgrades gracefully
[15:26] <coffeedude> jdstrand, I'll need to talk to ssalley (on my side).  We'll figure out something.
[15:26] <jdstrand> coffeedude: cool. if this is Ubuntu specific packaging, do you mind adding the suggested comment above template homedir, so people can more easily avoid pain?
[15:26] <coffeedude> ttx, Planning on having the openldap/krb5 status and changes to you on Monday.  Tuesday morning GMT-5 at latest.
[15:27] <ttx> coffeedude: sounds good !
[15:27] <MenZa> My 'coffee' highlight is getting abused :(
[15:27] <coffeedude> jdstrand, Q - Is this a change going into 8.04 or just moving forward with Lucid?
[15:27] <jdstrand> coffeedude: I'll adjust apparmor tunables accordingly
[15:27] <jdstrand> coffeedude: just Lucid
[15:28] <coffeedude> jdstrand, k.  We've agreed on /home/likewise-open/* then
[15:28] <coffeedude> MenZa, Sorry :)  Had this nick for years.
[15:28] <jdstrand> coffeedude: hardy users only got hit by this when the trid to use cups-pdf afaics
[15:28] <MenZa> coffeedude: Not a problem.
[15:28]  * MenZa sends a large mug of coffee in coffeedude's direction.
[15:28]  * coffeedude makes a sound like "ahhh....."
[15:28] <jdstrand> coffeedude: there are more profiles in lucid, notably evince, so it'd be painful to not fix
[15:29] <coffeedude> jdstrand, ACK.  I'll update the bug report with the decision
[15:29] <jdstrand> coffeedude: thanks!
[15:29] <jdstrand> ttx: thanks for your help too :)
[15:31] <ttx> jdstrand: np
[15:45] <karname> Hi , I executed rm * -rf to delete content of directory , but ubuntu server 9.10 start to delete anything , but I denied it in first second , but some folder like /sbin deleted , can me restore my server or I should to reinstall it ?
[15:45] <karname> I have access to ssh now
[15:46] <Pici> karname: You're probably better off reinstalling at this point.
[15:47] <karname> but I should to pay reinstall cost
[15:47] <karname> and time
[15:47] <karname> isn't anyway
[15:48] <ahasenack> one could probably cook up a script to compare the existing files with the installed packages, and then list which packages need to be reinstalled
[15:48] <ahasenack> rpm -V <package> shows missing files, dpkg probably has something similar
[15:49] <karname> how ? is there any script like it ?
[15:49] <karname> bash: /usr/bin/python: No such file or directory
[15:49] <ahasenack> it depends on how much time you are actually saving by doing this instead of reinstalling from scratch
[15:49] <smoser> erichammond, ping
[15:50] <Pici> It'll be much faster to reinstall the system imo.
[15:50] <ahasenack> and if data files were also deleted (for example, a database) instead of just programs
[15:51] <karname> sbin folder deleted
[15:51] <karname> bin also
[15:52] <karname> thanks , I think I must to reinstall it , bye
[15:58] <ivoks> has anyone tried setting up cups with multiple quotas?
[15:58] <ivoks> like, one quota per job and another for number of pages per seconds
[15:59] <ivoks> or just two quotas for job-quota-period
[16:00] <ScottK> ivoks: Did you get my request to comment on the mail filtering spec?
[16:00] <ivoks> ScottK: probably, but i had 0 time for ubuntu development last couple of days
[16:00] <ivoks> i'll have two hours now :D
[16:01] <ScottK> OK.  Please review as we're at/past the deadline for approval (I didn't have a lot of time for spec writing recently)
[16:01] <ivoks> :/
[16:37] <smoser> ttx, https://bugs.launchpad.net/eucalyptus/+bug/461301 . euca2ools is marked fix-released, but i dont see it anywhere
[16:41] <smoser> hmm... maybe just not filtered through yet.
[16:48] <smoser> shoot. no, euca2ools 1.0+bzr20091007-0ubuntu2 is currently not in -proposed or in -updates for karmic.
[16:49] <mathiaz> ttx: hi!
[16:49] <mathiaz> ttx: anything else to add on uec-testing on -seeds before I leave?
[16:49] <mathiaz> ttx: I'll send the seeds proposal later today to -server@ to get the discussion started
[16:50] <ttx> just a sec
[16:51] <ttx> smoser: it's fix-released in Lucid
[16:51] <ttx> fix-committed in karmic
[16:51] <ttx> still waiting for a gentle AA to approve it to -proposed
[16:52] <ttx> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[16:53] <ttx> smoser: btw it should show up as one of your uploads, sponsored by me
[16:53] <ttx> mathiaz: nothing from me
[16:53] <smoser> ok. i dont know how to see such things, (link?)
[16:54] <smoser> so, johnwillis is trying to set up eucalyptus right now, and needs this fix
[16:54] <smoser> setup/demo
[16:54] <smoser> how should i indicate that he get it?
[16:54] <ttx> hm
[16:54] <smoser> i thought that pitti's comment was that it is in proposed
[16:54] <ttx> eucalyptus in proposed, and your PPA
[16:54] <ttx> (for euca2ools)
[16:55] <smoser> ok. so need eucalyptus 1.6~bzr931-0ubuntu7.4 from proposed
[16:55] <smoser> and euca2ools from my ppa.
[16:56] <ttx> yes, until euca2ools gets accepted in -proposed.
[17:04] <smoser> thanks ttx.
[17:13] <mdz> kane_, ttx, I filed bug 492387 about the (minor, cosmetic) update-motd issue I saw in my test install
[17:13] <mdz> I didn't bother about the kernel/installer issue as cjwatson said he had already fixed it
[17:13] <ttx> mdz: ok
[17:32] <Pistol-McGee> Can anyone suggest some good vpn server software?
[17:32] <arj> openvpn?
[17:33] <Pistol-McGee> openvpn never installed a config
[17:34] <Pistol-McGee> unless im missing something
[17:34] <arj> is that the single requirement, "must install config"?
[17:35] <Pistol-McGee> tbh, imma bit of a noob when it comes to linux/terminal
[17:36] <arj> I am not aware of a good single click solution, but downloading configs from the openvpn website worked for me
[17:52] <mdz> smoser, I just tried to fire up a lucid daily AMI, but I can't get in using my ec2 ssh key. is it me?
[17:53] <smoser> hm... i think i verified 20091203 yesterday, but let me check
[17:55] <glphvgacs> hi, i need some help with using ping to analise my dig Query Time
[17:59] <smoser> mdz, i just verified ami-4037d529 (20091203 i386) is functional
[17:59] <mdz> smoser, I must have blown it somehow, though I'm not sure how
[18:00] <smoser> can you pastebin console-ouptut ?
[18:01] <smoser> and remember that '--key' is necissary
[18:01] <mdz> smoser, http://pastebin.com/f2bf7e959
[18:01] <mdz> smoser, I copy/pasted from http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/lucid/current/
[18:02] <mdz> (and yes, I updated my environment variable to EC2_KEYPAIR_US_EAST_1)
[18:02] <mdz> debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
[18:02] <mdz> debug1: Trying private key: ./ec2-keypair.pem
[18:02] <mdz> debug1: read PEM private key done: type RSA
[18:02] <mdz> debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey
[18:02] <mdz> debug1: No more authentication methods to try.
[18:02] <mdz> Permission denied (publickey).
[18:07] <smoser> mdz... hmm... i dont know.
[18:12] <mdz> smoser, somehow my local key file got out of sync with what AWS had
[18:12] <mdz> maybe pilot error in driving eucalyptus
[18:14] <mdz> smoser, it might be nice if the EC2 images provided an "installation media" identifier, like systems installed from the CDs have
[18:14] <mdz> smoser, that way, bug reports would include the build number, not just the AMI
[18:15] <mdz> smoser, see earlier discussion in #ubuntu-devel re: bug 364649
[18:16] <smoser> mdz, yeah, amis suck.
[18:16] <smoser> you can get the manifest from the metadata service though
[18:16] <mdz> smoser, all you have to do is drop the appropriate line of text in /var/log/installer/media-info
[18:16] <smoser> if we're not collecting that, maybe we should. at least if it is in a bucket that we own
[18:17] <mdz> smoser, we get the ami-manifest-path but that's just a url or something, right?
[18:17] <mdz> we don't try to read it
[18:20] <smoser> i'm confused. dont try to read it. i realize i was confused a bit above, but in the manifest path has something like:ubuntu-images-testing-us/ubuntu-lucid-daily-amd64-server-20091203.manifest.xml
[18:20] <smoser> which is basically the build version
[18:21] <smoser> and i thought that apport was getting it. it might be nice to put that in the console output (along with other useful data, like "adding public key with id 'smoser@brickies' to /root/.authorized-keys"
[18:23] <mdz> smoser, apport is getting that string "ubuntu-images-testing-us/..."
[18:23] <mdz> or should be, I haven't checked it since it was originally implemented and it seemed to work
[18:24] <mdz> smoser, I don't think we've sufficiently trained folks to report bugs from the instance using ubuntu-bug
[18:24] <mdz> blog topic maybe?
[18:25] <erichammond> mdz: You finally got me doing it after however many years I've been using Ubuntu.
[18:25] <smoser> yeah, i have a major 'blog' todo. primarily in "start writing one" and "get on ubuntu planet"
[18:26] <smoser> it acutally suprises me how often people on ec2ubuntu use the ami id
[18:26] <mdz> smoser, you can refer to http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/03/31/please-dont-report-ubuntu-bugs-directly-to-launchpad/ for the general spiel on why ubuntu-bug is a good idea
[18:26] <smoser> as "i'm running ami-xbaddfsa", which makes me have to check if thats erichammond's fault or mine :)
[18:26] <erichammond> smoser: likewise :)
[18:27] <mdz> smoser, perhaps we should have a bot in here which automatically translates?
[18:27] <erichammond> mdz: +1
[18:27] <smoser> that would be neat
[18:28] <mdz> ubottu, can you do that for us?
[18:28] <mdz> oh well
[18:28] <erichammond> mdz, smoser: If you think it would help, I could do a short blog post on alestic.com about reporting bugs on EC2 instances with ubuntu-bug.
[18:28] <mdz> smoser, http://www.wordpress.com/ and you can be up and running in a few minutes
[18:28] <mdz> erichammond, that would be great
[18:28] <mdz> smoser still should have a blog though ;-)
[18:32] <erichammond> smoser: Thanks for trying to kick me out over on ##aws.  I'm really leaving now.
[19:25] <ab2283> hi, quick question: is there any known issue with vsftpd and pam_smbpass.o authentication in karmic? my vsftpd segfaults or denies authentication, seemingly at random :/
[19:27] <RoyK> ab2283: try to compile it and debug it if it happens again :P
[19:27] <RoyK> you prolly can't gdb / backtrace the one installed
[19:28] <ab2283> RoyK: i didn't really want to go that far. the configuration is pretty much stock. that's what's bothering me
[19:28] <ab2283> RoyK: i don't know what i possibly could have done to screw it up
[19:28] <RoyK> then I'd recompile it with the config from apt-get source
[19:28] <RoyK> problem is that the one installed is stripped, so you don't have much symbols
[19:28] <RoyK> meaning it's not possible to make a backtrace
[19:29] <RoyK> if it crashes on random places, the chance of memory error is prominent
[19:32] <RoyK> perhaps running memtest86 can find something
[19:33] <RoyK> but then, that takes a while
[19:41] <cjwatson> RoyK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash explains how to use ddebs.ubuntu.com to get debugging symbols
[19:50] <RoyK> cjwatson: k - didn't know that - the guy left anyway
[19:53] <glphvgacs> hi, i wanna know which ROOT is responding to my queries; any idea what's the best way to use ping or any other tool for that? thnx
[19:54] <arj> what kind of queries?
[19:54] <unit3> can you clarify that?
[19:54] <unit3> yeah.
[19:54] <arj> mysql ones?
[19:54] <arj> dns ones?
[19:54] <glphvgacs> dns
[19:54] <arj> and what does ping have to do with it? :)
[19:54] <arj> dig +trace
[19:54] <glphvgacs> cool
[19:54] <arj> tcpdump
[19:59] <ahasenack> is there a ubuntu-* package for the server installation?
[19:59] <ahasenack> like we have ubuntu-desktop for the desktop one?
[19:59] <ahasenack> maybe a combination of ubuntu-* packages?
[20:05] <unit3> ahasenack: not really, it's mostly just a base install + linux-server.
[20:05] <unit3> then it's up to you to install what you want. ;)
[20:05] <ahasenack> unit3: ok, thanks
[20:06] <unit3> ubuntu-minimal + linux-server, maybe?
[20:11] <ahasenack> or ubuntu-standard
[20:13] <unit3> yeah, or that.
[20:13] <unit3> ubuntu-standard may be more accurate.
[20:14] <cjwatson> it's a little more than that. There's a seed for it, and you can see the expanded results at http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.karmic/
[20:14] <cjwatson> (I do mean "a little" literally, it's quite a small number of extra packages on top of ubuntu-standard by default)
[20:15] <cjwatson> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.karmic/server
[20:16] <unit3> oh, neat, handy.
[20:17] <j03lar50n> in 9.10, i am trying to setup a DHCP server behind a Charter Business ISP (static ip) - i will be serving Windows clients . Questions: 1)must i include Subnet Mask and Gateway, specific to the static ip, under the Fixed IP section in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf? 2)dhcp3-server says i "need to specify a WINS server for your Windows clients..", is this just including 'option netbios-name-servers xxx.xxx.x.x;'? what ip should i
[20:17] <unit3> ok, a, you don't need a wins server. it's hardly necessary on most networks.
[20:18] <unit3> b), you want to have a separate, reserved subnet for your computers, nothing to do with the charter IP.
[20:18] <j03lar50n> great
[20:18] <unit3> and you'll want it on a separate interface, firewalled using nat to the interface with the charter IP. otherwise, your DHCP server will interfere with other charter users, and get you in trouble. ;)
[20:19] <aubre> pick a nice 192.168.x.x subnet
[20:20] <unit3> yeah, or 10.x.x.x.
[20:20] <unit3> reminds me, one of these days I need to play with ipv6 at home. get a good handle on that IRL, rather than just reading about it.
[20:23] <j03lar50n> right now i'm just using my linksys router to as DHCP - so looking through the config/setup there and pasting into dhcpd.conf most pieces thx all :)
[20:24] <mneptok> j03lar50n: what model Linksys?
[20:25] <j03lar50n> wrt54g
[20:25] <mneptok> j03lar50n: not WRT54GL or WRT54GS?
[20:25] <j03lar50n> nope mneptok straight WRT54G
[20:26] <mneptok> j03lar50n: which revision?
[20:27] <j03lar50n> v5 mneptok
[20:28] <mneptok> j03lar50n: pity. alternative firmwares only support v1-4.
[20:29] <mneptok> j03lar50n: Tomato or OpenWRT on the Linksys will give you a lot more functionality. but they do not work with the revision you have.
[20:30] <j03lar50n> dang it mneptok - too bad for us. would you know if moving the DHCP to a 'real' server box running 9.10 & acting as our DHCP server would improve performance versus that of the router serving it?
[20:31] <mneptok> j03lar50n: no way to tell. that is depenedent on so many variables that any answer without knowing your network topography well will be meaningless.
[20:32] <j03lar50n> gotcha
[20:32] <mneptok> j03lar50n: but it may well improve things. the v5 WRT54G has reduced flash and RAM than prior revisions. memory overhead is severely constrained.
[20:33] <unit3> yep.
[20:33] <unit3> it's not a great router.
[20:37] <smoser> erichammond, getting closer... now i can upload images, just not kernels
[21:15] <cjwatson> kirkland: if the eucalyptus CLC and CC are on separate machines, do they each need their own SSH key?
[21:17] <cjwatson> kirkland: (I'm nearly done with foundations-lucid-uec-installer-enhancement; this is one of the last pieces)
[21:18] <cjwatson> kirkland: oh, also, is a standalone eucalyptus-cloud installation meant to run an httpd? if not, we'll have to figure out how to expose the preseed file through axis somehow, I think; I would welcome help on that
[21:18] <cjwatson> kirkland: lp:~cjwatson/eucalyptus/cloud-preseed
[21:19] <cjwatson> a standalone eucalyptus-cloud installation does not appear to run a separate httpd right now, but I don't know whether this is expected/intentional
[21:38] <donspaulding> anyone have any tips on how to do some post-mortem analysis on a remote server that has to be restarted every day?  When it hangs, ping still responds, but ssh connections fail.
[21:42] <richierich> hello
[21:42] <jeiworth> donspaulding: i would check where sshd logs to and analyze that file
[21:42] <richierich> hey guys is there a way to stop samba and NTP from printing in tty1 login on my ubuntu server?
[21:43] <adac> i installed gnoe on my server but now the gdm greeter appears all the time. how can I set that the server starts in textmode again?
[21:43] <adac> *gnome
[21:44] <jeiworth> adac: quick and dirty, you could simply chmod -x  /etc/init.d/gdm
[21:45] <jeiworth> but iirc there is a file where you can configure autostart behaviour, i did that for openvpn but i have absolutely no idea where that was...hmmm
[21:45] <richierich> adac: couldnt you just alt+ctrl+backspace and kill X and then start it up when you need it again?
[21:46] <adac> richierich, could do that, but i would prefer that it starts in textmode in the first place
[21:46] <jeiworth> adac: ah, i think it was in /etc/default/openvpn maybe you have a file called gdm there?
[21:47] <richierich> i think gdm would try and restart it automatically anyways you might have to do something like sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop to make sure that doesnt happen
[21:47] <adac> jeiworth, I meant on the physical server machine starts up gdm/gnome login window
[21:48] <richierich> adac: try this http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/prevent-xorg-from-starting-in-linux/
[21:49] <jeiworth> adac: yeah, so?
[21:49] <adac> jeiworth, what has that to do with openvpn?
[21:49] <adac> richierich, I'll ty that out!
[21:50] <jeiworth> adac: if you would actually read what i wrote i was using openvpn merely as an example
[21:51] <jeiworth> chmod -x will do the trick for any service located in /etc/init.d
[21:51] <adac> jeiworth, ohh I see!! sorry I missed the last part!
[21:51] <richierich> adac
[21:51] <richierich> adac: this looks a easier http://hack2live.blogspot.com/2008/05/stop-gdm-from-loading-on-boot.html
[21:52] <jeiworth> adac: np
[21:52] <ruben23> how do i install..jdk-1_5_0_11 on package...in ubuntu server..?
[22:01] <j03lar50n> unit3 you said "you want to have a separate, reserved subnet for your computers, nothing to do with the charter IP...and you'll want it on a separate interface, firewalled using nat to the interface with the charter IP..." - - the bit about separate interface, does this mean i should have eth0 direct to the (Charter) modem and eth1 serving DHCP to my switch(es)?
[22:51] <jfb_h2o> folks, my system hangs with tab completion and a simple 'ls' . It seems to be related to autofs, but not in remote mounted directories?
[22:52] <jfb_h2o> None of my path variables are on mount points either. Any thoughts?
[22:57] <jmarsden> jfb_h2o: Does the issue go away if you do  OLDPATH=$PATH ; PATH=/bin     and then try to tab-complete ?
[22:57] <jmarsden> In other words, see if you can simplify the test case.
[22:58] <cjwatson> also try without /etc/bash_completion.
[22:58] <cjwatson> (comment it out in .bashrc)
[22:58] <cjwatson> (and maybe /etc/bash.bashrc too)
[23:00] <ruben23> how do i install..jdk-1_5_0_11 on package...in ubuntu server..?
[23:01] <unit3> are you running some really old ubuntu server release that you'd want an old jdk?
[23:02] <unit3> as opposed to just installing the current sun-java6-jdk package?
[23:03] <cjwatson> or better openjdk. however, there's a sun-java5-jdk package in releases up to 9.04, in case you need specifically that for some reason
[23:03] <unit3> true.
[23:04] <cjwatson> (sun-java6 is planned to move to the partner archive for lucid, in the cause of trying to further encourage the use of openjdk when possible)
[23:04] <unit3> oh, cool. didn't know that.
[23:04] <cjwatson> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-lucid-dropping-sun-java6
[23:05] <unit3> makes sense though, since openjdk works fine these days.
[23:05] <cjwatson> apparently not for everything, but yes it's generally a good replacement
[23:23] <cjwatson> gah
[23:23] <cjwatson> kirkland: could you please commit when you make a release of eucalyptus, so that I'm not blindly carrying on with the existing changelog entry? :-/
[23:23]  * cjwatson goes to tidy up
[23:37] <mabus> how do I manage what services are started at boot in 8.10
[23:37] <unit3> update-rc.d ?
[23:37] <unit3> or did you want something more involved than that?
[23:38] <mabus> not sure, I'll read the man first. thanks
[23:39] <mabus> oh, yeah, I didn't want to remove the init script, or chmod -x it. is that the only way?
[23:41] <unit3> umm, it doesn't remove init scripts, it just adds and removes links to them in the /etc/rcX.d directories.
[23:41] <unit3> which is fairly safe.
[23:41] <unit3> the init scripts stay in /etc/init.d/, regardless of where you symlink them to.
[23:44] <TDJACR> What would be the best way to load balence three web servers running Apache?
[23:46] <unit3> depends on the content on them, what kinds of edge cases are acceptable.
[23:46] <unit3> if it's just static content, then you can stick keepalived in front of them and be done with it.
[23:46] <unit3> otherwise, you'll have to take a look at your data flow, see how to replicated it between servers, etc.
[23:47] <TDJACR> It's dynamic through Django and other Pythonic frameworks
[23:47] <unit3> ok, and is all data stored in MySQL? because you could use MySQL multimaster replication then, and still stick keepalived in front.
[23:48] <TDJACR> Yes, it is. I want to balence both the loads to apache (over 3) and MySQL over two
[23:49] <unit3> why just over two? why not over all 3, so you have better failover coverage?
[23:50] <TDJACR> I suppose so.
[23:50] <unit3> in any case, the only problem you're going to have is keeping data files uploaded by users synced. if you had a SAN you could put the web files on a distributed filesystem like OCFS2, and that'd cover it.
[23:51] <unit3> or, if you had only 2 systems you could use DRBD for that as well.
[23:51] <unit3> if users never upload files outside of the database, then you're ok too. just make sure that the web files don't get out of sync manually.
[23:52] <unit3> regardless, keepalived on a firewall in front of them will handle the load distribution, and works quite well.
[23:52] <TDJACR> Well, I expect more database than actual files, but, how does a group such as wikimedia manage their photos across many servers?
[23:53] <TDJACR> Also, does Keepalived need to be in front of the switch, or can it be a node that's purpose is contacting the others
[23:54] <TDJACR> On the same network, in the same position


[01:52] <xubuntu59o> Hi there!
[01:56] <dylan> Can someone help me install java from offical website
[01:56] <dylan> And not a shady ppa
[02:40] <craigbass76> I don't see any options to just hibernate when I shut my laptop lid.  Am I missing something, or is there some other power app I should install?
[03:17] <jcrochon> hello
[03:26] <jcrochon> word
[09:51] <FernandoBasso> Since when is mariadb the default mysql implementation on the repositories?
[16:56] <irut4i> hello! i would like to set some graphical program to start after xubuntu live cd boot. is this possible?
[17:33] <irut4i> hello! i would like to set some graphical program to start after xubuntu live cd boot. is this possible?
[19:58] <21WAAF051> Hello guys, any idea why on my Thinkpad T410, Xubuntu 15.10 fresh install will sometimes boot fine, other times my screen will get stuck at black ( no cursor or anything shown )
[19:59] <21WAAF051> It gets stuck on black after BIOS screen flashes.
[19:59] <21WAAF051> so annoying, dont know where to backtrace the problem.
[20:34] <bazhang> mode bazhang +g
[20:34] <bazhang> oops
[21:25] <shibari_> I think my system is haunted, i have 3 home folders, all 3 homes have a same named folder, 2 are empty and in 3rd there are files, so i tried to copy from third to first but after finishing the process it deleted the folder in all 3 :0
[21:25] <shibari_> I dont know how to retrive to lost file, neither do i have a single clue on why did this happen
[21:25] <shibari_> retrieve*
[21:26] <knome> what would that directory be?
[21:26] <shibari_> PlayOnLinux VD's
[21:26] <knome> look in the trash
[21:26] <shibari_> empty
[21:27] <knome> on all users' homes?
[21:27] <shibari_> they werent genuinely deleted(nor they got hidden)
[21:27] <shibari_> yup
[21:27] <shibari_> those users are from other system btw(manjaro in my case)
[21:28] <shibari_> so i tried to copy from manjaros partition to xubuntus, and it deleted on both + on second manjaro user too
[21:28] <shibari_> And it properly started the copy process with the progress bar and stuff
[22:00] <shibari_> knome, actually its not haunted, im just stupid :D
[22:00] <shibari_> apparently that wasnt a folder it was just a link to a folder
[22:00] <shibari_> and since all my users across the systems are called shibari, their POL links will lead to the currently logged one
[23:37] <gurn56> hello! i need help with changing xubuntu's squashfs filesystem. when i unpack, change and repack squashfs fs, there is problem that the new file is not booting anymore. i also tried to unpack and repack the same contents, but it's the same problem with it. any suggestion what to do? thank you in advance!