[01:47] <henrym> does launchpad provide source hosting for projects? like sourceforge does? I can't seem to find out anywhere...
[02:00] <lucasvo> henrym: it can host bzr branches for you
[02:00] <lucasvo> henrym: but there is no webhosting so far
[02:04] <henrym> lucasvo: hmm, ok. thanks
[03:12] <lifeless> henrym: thats a 'yes' :) - source hosting for sure
[03:18] <henrym> lifeless: yeah, provided I use bzr?
[03:19] <lifeless> yes
[04:42] <mejde> how do I delete my account?
[04:44] <mejde> anyone?
[04:45] <Burgundavia> mejde: hm, no idea, sorry
[04:45] <mejde> that sucks
[04:45] <mejde> at least it's mildly annoying
[04:46] <mejde> guess I'll have to waste time mailing administrators then...
[04:46] <lifeless> theres no account deletion facility
[04:46] <lifeless> just dont use it if you dont want to
[04:46] <mejde> I didn't even ask for it to be added
[04:46] <mejde> for fucks sake
[04:47] <mejde> if I had added it myself I wouldn't be so irritated
[04:47] <mejde> sorry
[04:48] <Burgundavia> mejde: are you a debian developer?
[04:48] <mejde> no... why do you ask?
[04:48] <Burgundavia> they got bulk added
[04:49] <Burgundavia> how did you get added?
[04:49] <mejde> I probably got added because i had a bugzilla account
[04:49] <Burgundavia> right
[04:49] <jamesh> yep.  We migrated bugzilla accounts over to Launchpad when shutting down bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[04:50] <jamesh> mejde: who would your comments be attributed to if your account was deleted?
[04:50] <mejde> if there's no easy way to remove it then you could at least only migrate with users consent or something
[04:50] <mejde> I don't care
[04:50] <mejde> that's sort of your problem.... right
[04:50] <mejde> leave my name in there or something... sure
[04:51] <mejde> I just don't want an account
[04:51] <lifeless> mejde: we represent a name by an account
[04:51] <mejde> lifeless: so?
[04:51] <lifeless> so we've done precisely what you describe. Just dont use it if you dont want to
[04:51] <mejde> you can't do anything to mitigate that?
[04:51] <jamesh> mejde: is it mainly that you don't want to receive email?
[04:51] <mejde> no
[04:52] <lifeless> to mitigate -what- then ?
[04:52] <mejde> remove my user page etc
[04:53] <mejde> ah... wait... never mind
[04:53] <mejde> I'll just change name and mail to something completely irrelevant
[04:53] <lifeless> what is it about the user page that concerns you?
[04:54] <mejde> there
[04:55] <mejde> I just don't want it...
[04:55] <mejde> I didn't ask for it... and don't want it
[04:55] <mejde> hard to understand... I know
[04:56] <lifeless> if it was causing you grief
[04:56] <mejde> and no, I'm not an Ubuntu hater
[04:56] <lifeless> like spam, or such, I'd understand more
[04:56] <mejde> nor a Canonical hater
[04:57] <lifeless> and I could definately try to fix that
[04:58] <jamesh> mejde: are other people likely to share your reasons for wanting to delete their account?  If so, perhaps we can change something about the page presentation.
[04:59] <jamesh> as it is, you're not giving us much to work with
[05:00] <mejde> and i don't care... I'm happy now
[05:00] <mejde> bye
[05:01] <jamesh> bizarre
[05:01] <lifeless> particularly as changing email requires confirmation
[05:02] <Burgundavia> indeed
[05:02] <Burgundavia> people are different
[05:03] <lifeless> Burgundavia: I think you missed my point - he can't have changed the email to something bogus
[05:04] <Burgundavia> hmm, right
[05:04] <jamesh> unless he has control of an irrelevant email address ...
[05:05] <lifeless> true, but it will still be his ..
[05:05] <jamesh> not necessarily
[05:05] <lifeless> ah, I see.
[05:05] <lifeless> like hotmail
[05:05] <jamesh> nope
[05:05] <lifeless> no?
[05:06] <jamesh> there are sites where you can use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and any mail sent to it shows up at http://www.domain.com/anything
[05:06] <jamesh> some even provide RSS feeds
[05:07] <Burgundavia> disallowing whole domains is a bad idea
[05:07] <Burgundavia> there are legit users using hotmail and as they are likely to be the non-tech savvy ones, you run yourself into a serious issue
[05:07] <jamesh> not suggesting blocking of hotmail
[05:08] <jamesh> (although hotmail seems to treat most of our confirmation messages as spam ...)
[05:09] <jamesh> things like http://mailnull.com/
[05:10] <jamesh> or mailinator.com
[01:58] <pygi> can malone product bugs be in sync with trac?
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57806 in rosetta "gnome-desktop-2.0.mo disappears from daily generated language-pack-gnome-es since 20060823" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57806
[07:18] <pygi> can malone product bugs be in sync with trac? (both ways)
[07:50] <lucasvo> lucasvo@supernova:~/Desktop/vincisolutions/webmail/addressbook/harmony/addressbook$ bzr push
[07:50] <lucasvo> Using saved location: sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~harmony-dev/harmony/addressbook
[07:50] <lucasvo> bzr: ERROR: Lock was broken while still open: LockDir(sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eharmony-dev/harmony/addressbook/.bzr/branch/lock) - check storage consistency!
[07:50] <lucasvo> wtf?
[07:56] <lucasvo> can somebody help me?!
[08:18] <danilos> lucasvo: try "bzr break-lock"
[08:18] <danilos> though, it doesn't sound like that problem
[08:39] <BlueAidan> how long is the usual delay between pushing a revision to LP and it showing up on the website / be available for others to merge?
[08:47] <lucasvo> BlueAidan: the website and the bazaar are two different things
[08:48] <lucasvo> BlueAidan: not on website doesn't mean not available for branching
[08:49] <lucasvo> danilos: no, that doesn't fix it
[08:49] <lucasvo> danilos: I would have to break-lock on the server
[08:50] <lucasvo> any bazaar admin online?
[08:50] <lucasvo> !help
[09:29] <LarstiQ> lucasvo: does the lock directory actually exist?
[09:30] <lucasvo> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~harmony-dev/harmony/addressbook/.bzr/branch/lock/
[09:30] <lucasvo> yes it odes
[09:32] <lucasvo> LarstiQ: or what do you mean?
[09:32] <LarstiQ> that is what I mean, recently a bug for such a case was reported and fixed, but it isn't yours it seems
[09:33] <LarstiQ> lucasvo: you knoe you can 'bzr break-lock http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~harmony-dev/harmony/addressbook/'?
[09:33] <LarstiQ> know, even
[09:34] <lucasvo> LarstiQ: not really: http://pastebin.ca/150336
[09:35] <LarstiQ> lets see what raises that condition then
[09:38] <LarstiQ> lucasvo: it seems to arise when there is a broken lock that is claimed by someone else
[09:39] <lucasvo> LarstiQ: that means?
[09:40] <LarstiQ> someone else might have been using it at the same time
[09:41] <LarstiQ> but I'm too tired to do this correctly :/
[09:41] <LarstiQ> lucasvo: how long has this been happening?
[09:41] <lucasvo> LarstiQ: for about 5h
[09:43] <LarstiQ> any idea how it started?
[09:43] <lucasvo> no
[09:51] <lucasvo> LarstiQ: could you at least delete the lock
[09:54] <LarstiQ> lucasvo: I'm a bzr user, not an lp admin
[09:56] <LarstiQ> lucasvo: you could ask in #bzr if anyone knows what to do, but it's fairly quiet over there too. The .au people will be awake in a couple of hours, but it is also weekend
[09:56] <LarstiQ> lucasvo: I'm sorry I can't help more than that
[09:56] <lucasvo> LarstiQ: oh
[09:57] <lucasvo> LarstiQ: anyway thanks
[10:56] <cuco> hi, i found that i have an account in lauchpad, which i never regisgterd. the site displayes this channel as on the the contacts
[11:17] <lifeless> LarstiQ: you can't break-lock over http ;)
[11:17] <lifeless> LarstiQ: not yet anyhow.
[11:18] <lifeless> (because its readonly)
[11:21] <lifeless> it looks like there are no held locks to me
[11:22] <lifeless> lucasvo: ^
[11:22] <lucasvo> lifeless: strange
[11:22] <lucasvo> I'll try it again
[11:23] <lucasvo> Using saved location: sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~harmony-dev/harmony/addressbook
[11:23] <lucasvo> bzr: ERROR: Lock was broken while still open: LockDir(sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eharmony-dev/harmony/addressbook/.bzr/branch/lock) - check storage consistency!
[11:23] <lucasvo> I still get the same error
[11:23] <lifeless> thats sftp not http
[11:23] <lucasvo> it's not the same?
[11:23] <lifeless> no
[11:23] <lifeless> not at all
[11:24] <lucasvo> oh
[11:24] <lifeless> do you have lftp ?
[11:25] <lifeless> er, scratch that
[11:25] <lifeless> run
[11:25] <lifeless> bzr info sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eharmony-dev/harmony/addressbook/
[11:25] <lifeless> it will tell you the lock status


[01:22] <Andre_Gondim> godbyk, I try to do make ubuntu-manual-pt_BR.pdf and see many errors, may you help me?
[01:23] <Andre_Gondim> http://ubuntuone.com/p/mAY/
[01:39] <Andre_Gondim> sorry it's ok godbyk
[17:57] <Andre_Gondim> godbyk, who may release the lucid-e1 screenshots that I took it
[18:25] <godbyk> Andre_Gondim: I've emailed ubuntujenkins to find out.
[18:49] <Andre_Gondim> godbyk, ok, I will ask to my team to work on lucid-e2
[21:27] <jenkins1> Andre_Gondim: all the screenshots you need can be found in lp:~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual-screenshots/pt_BR
[21:56] <jenkins1> all 48 are there mow
[21:56] <jenkins1> *now


[00:48] <stuartpb> What's the easiest way to install Bazaar on Ubuntu with feature parity to the default Windows installer (shell integration, bzr-svn)?
[00:53] <Meths> aptitude install bzr-svn bzrtools  <-- You probably want something like that to pull in all you want.  Not sure about how you define shell integration and how it meets your expectations though.
[00:53] <Meths> Do  'aptitude search bzr' and see what you need from the descriptions.
[00:54] <stuartpb> bzr-gtk
[00:54] <stuartpb> and that'll put stuff on the application menu and all?
[00:55] <mzz> I do use ubuntu but I have no clue about "shell integration", sorry.
[00:55] <Meths> Only if you install a gui for bzr otherwise you run bzr commands from a command line - pick a term of choice
[00:56] <stuartpb> see, I installed Bazaar with Ubuntu Software manager so I have bzr and bzrtols
[00:56] <mzz> bzrtools is in Recommends, so just installing bzr should pull it in by default. Might want to install bzr-svn and/or bzr-gtk too, yes (they're in Suggests)
[00:56] <mzz> I'm not much of a gui person, so I don't know how software center represents Suggests)
[00:56] <Meths> recommends is not depends, does not get pulled in
[00:57] <mzz> recommends is not depends, but *does* get pulled in by default since, erm, checking relnotes...
[00:57] <mzz> ubuntu 8.10
[00:57] <stuartpb> is there a way to get bazaar integrated with thunar?
[00:58] <Meths> oh, weird. Ta for info though.
[00:58] <stuartpb> and does bzr-gtk come with bazaar explorer
[00:58] <mzz> the most convenient way to find out may be to just install it.
[00:58] <mzz> (if you don't like it you can always uninstall it again)
[00:58] <stuartpb> yeah, it's doing it now
[00:59] <stuartpb> but will it go under the applications menu if it gets installed?
[00:59] <mzz> I have no idea, I haven't used bzr-gtk and an Applications menu at the same time.
[01:00] <mzz> I get the feeling if one of the people currently active knew they would've told you already. It's probably faster to install it and find out.
[01:00] <mzz> it's possible it integrates into the file manager without showing up as a standalone app in the applications menu.
[01:01] <mzz> (do you actually mean "I already installed it and it's not showing up on my applications menu. Should it?")
[01:01] <stuartpb> "bazaar notification" has been added to the programming submenu
[01:25] <stuartpb> how do I get Bazaar stuff on my context menu?
[01:25] <bob2> stuartpb: in what? nautilus?
[01:26] <stuartpb> yeah
[02:02] <arjenAU> ello bzr gurus
[02:02] <elroboto> helo
[02:02] <arjenAU> how do I upgrade the repo/branch format on a lp branch.
[02:03] <mzz> stuartpb: /usr/share/doc/bzr-gtk/README.Debian claims it is currently broken
[02:03] <mzz> stuartpb: (although that makes me wonder why the package still Recommends python-nautilus, bah)
[02:04] <mzz> arjenAU: I don't know if it's actually the best way but there's http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/upgrade-guide/index.html#migrating-branches-on-launchpad
[02:04] <arjenAU> mzz: cheers
[02:43] <arjenAU> mzz: seems to have worked. groovy.
[02:44] <arjenAU> also observing the filesystem where lp holds the branches is about 8 minutes behind real time. probably borked ntp
[10:46] <bialix> fullermd: thanks for you mails in that thread
[10:58] <fullermd> bialix: I do go on, don't I   :)
[10:58] <bialix> я не понимаю
[10:59] <bialix> fullermd: now I feel like a mindless tree. I don;t understand your joke
[11:00]  * bialix hides away
[11:01] <fullermd> It's not really a joke, so much as a rueful reflection.
[11:01] <fullermd> Someday, I hope to learn how to write a SHORT email.
[11:01] <bialix> no, your e-mail was just right in size and content
[11:01] <bialix> right for me
[11:02] <bialix> you talk my thoughts
[11:02] <bialix> I was sad to hear from luks couple of years ago almost the same: it's almost impossible to get patches in
[11:03] <fullermd> I hate bringing it up, 'cuz what can you do?
[11:04] <fullermd> I mean, the answer can only be "We're doing the best we can, but there are only so many hours in the day", which doesn't solve the problem but is perfectly true.
[11:04] <fullermd> It's just a recipe for frustration on BOTH sides   :(
[11:04] <bialix> right
[11:04] <bialix> qbzr is more appealing for me therefore
[11:05] <bialix> we don't need to write zillion tests for 5-lines fix
[11:06] <bialix> thanks anyway
[11:06] <fullermd> I'll take any excuse to write a 10,000 word essay   8-}
[11:07] <bialix> :-)\
[11:07] <bialix> :-)
[13:41] <sjamaan> Is there an easy way to quickly go to a particular revision? (like "svn up -r xyz" in subversion)
[13:43] <LarstiQ> go in what sense? `bzr revert -r revspec` most likely
[13:44] <LarstiQ> or `bzr cat` for a single file at a revision, or `bzr export` for subtrees
[13:44] <sjamaan> bzr revert won't commit anything, will it?
[13:44] <LarstiQ> correct
[13:44] <sjamaan> alright, thanks
[13:45] <LarstiQ> (but if you run `bzr commit` directly after, you'll commit a new revision with the same state as the one you reverted to)
[13:45] <sjamaan> Understood
[13:45] <LarstiQ> which is different from svn, svn won't allow you to commit in that position
[13:45] <sjamaan> Exactly
[13:46] <LarstiQ> which I find bloody annoying :)
[13:46] <sjamaan> You could do a reverse merge and commit that with svn, but you can't update to an old revision and commit that
[13:46]  * LarstiQ nods at sjamaan
[13:46] <sjamaan> svn merge -r HEAD:oldrev .
[13:46] <sjamaan> That's about the same as bzr revert -r oldrev, as I understand it
[13:46] <LarstiQ> does svn merge do treeshapes?
[13:47] <sjamaan> Excuse my ignorance, but what are treeshapes?
[13:47] <LarstiQ> sjamaan: move, add, delete
[13:47] <sjamaan> It does
[13:47] <LarstiQ> ok
[13:47] <LarstiQ> then yeah, pretty similar
[13:47] <Kinnison> presumably you could do something like bzr checkout --lightweight -r blahfoo . ../here-at-blahfoo
[13:48] <sjamaan> Ah, I suppose that would work too
[13:48] <sjamaan> But it's easier to revert, since I just wanted to look at something in the old state
[13:48] <sjamaan> Making a full new checkout is a bit too heavyweight for that
[13:49] <Kinnison> if you just want a given file, then bzr cat may be easier
[13:49] <sjamaan> mebbe
[13:49]  * LarstiQ frequently uses revert for that purpose though
[13:50] <SamB_XP> does qlog give you that? I forget...
[13:50] <sjamaan> I was wondering about something: If you do bzr unbind, then make some changes and commit those, then bind again and run bzr update, is it supposed to clobber all your local revisions without any warning?
[13:51] <sjamaan> (note I didn't first push the changes)
[13:51] <SamB_XP> sjamaan: it is undesirable for it to do so
[13:51] <SamB_XP> why, did it?
[13:51] <sjamaan> SamB_XP: When I tried, it did so
[13:51] <SamB_XP> oh :-(
[13:51] <SamB_XP> well, I believe they are still in there somewhere
[13:51] <LarstiQ> sjamaan: afaik it pivots them to be merged
[13:51] <sjamaan> How can I find them?
[13:52] <SamB_XP> LarstiQ: what do you mean "to be merged"?
[13:52] <LarstiQ> SamB_XP: pending merges
[13:52] <LarstiQ> sjamaan: doesn't `bzr st` list them?
[13:52] <sjamaan> nope
[13:53] <SamB_XP> what's that command to find loose heads in the repository ?
[13:53] <SamB_XP> or, well, any heads I guess
[13:53] <sjamaan> I don't know, I'm a newbie :)
[13:53] <LarstiQ> SamB_XP: `bzr heads`
[13:53] <LarstiQ> from bzrtools
[13:54]  * SamB_XP wonders how to get Windows' file copy progress dialog to give details like transfer size, size transferred so far, and kB/s for the last few seconds ...
[13:55] <SamB_XP> sjamaan: there you go
[13:55] <SamB_XP> run "bzr heads"
[13:55] <sjamaan> thanks
[13:55] <sjamaan> I guess I need to install those tools then
[13:55] <SamB_XP> you don't have bzrtools installed ?
[13:55] <sjamaan> Not yet
[13:56]  * SamB_XP is still confused about why those aren't part of bzr
[15:42] <maxb> I've just filed a merge proposal for qbzr - is that sufficient or do I need to email someone?
[15:48] <nyu> hi folks
[15:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> allo
[15:52] <phcoder> Hello, all. Can old bzr+ssh daemon together with new clients some of them maybe comitting by sftp lead to data corruption on server?
[15:53] <nyu> and if it can, can we prevent it from bothering us by using 2a repo format?
[15:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> I've not heard of that, but I'll stand by and wait for the bzr-hackers to comment
[15:54] <phcoder> Second question: on server repo we have different kinds of corruption. I managed to fix most of them with bzr reconcile and some hacks in bzr code to correct corruption but 4 commits still have incorrect SHA-1. Any way to write their new digest or delete them altogether?
[15:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> phcoder: perhaps `bzr push --force` (assuming you know your only overwriting 'corrupt' files)
[15:58] <phcoder> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm trying to recover server copy locally. Moreover corruption in repo may stay even if all corrupted branches are deleted
[15:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> phcoder: I'm going to retreat to the sideline and hope lifeless or some other bzr hacker wakes up and helps you out
[15:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm... lifeless sorry about the ping... 3am is a bad momentfor it ...
[16:03] <fullermd> If they've got incorrect SHA-1, you probably don't WANT to rewrite it.  It's way more likely that the data is corrupt than that the hash is....
[16:06] <phcoder> fullermd: If repo was already damaged when it was comitted hash could be miscalculated. I will check these commits manually afterwards. Alternative is to delete them but simply deleting refering directories didn't help
[16:07] <nyu> phcoder: checking corrupt commits manually isn't very reassuring wrt preventing the problem from happening again :-/
[16:08] <fullermd> I'm not sure that follows at all.  The hash calculated at commit time should always match the data committed at commit time.
[16:09] <phcoder> perhaps savannah is running out of free space or has HD failure
[16:09] <phcoder> are svn and bzr on same server?
[16:09] <nyu> phcoder: they have free space
[16:10] <nyu> can be retrieved with sshfs and df
[16:10] <nyu> doesn't seem to be the same server
[16:10] <nyu> different IPs at least
[16:13] <phcoder> bzr check reveals more potential problems. Looks like our repo is in serious trouble
[16:13] <nyu> what sort of problems?
[16:14] <phcoder> If I can at least fast-export in would be perhaps enough. Missing keys. I'll redecompress the backup and retry
[16:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> phcoder: at the risk of (re)sticking my nose in - can you give a bit more background for the problem your experiancing?
[16:17] <phcoder> We're trying to migrate to bzr. Currently we use it as a mirror of svn and to hold people and experimental branches. Every time we import all branches everything seems fine but breaks after about one week
[16:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. I can't bzr svn-import today sadly. I can tomorrow, but that probably won't help your testing
[16:20] <nyu> svn-import?
[16:20] <nyu> we were using bzr-svn
[16:20] <phcoder> nyu: bzr svn-import I suppose imports all branches whereas bzr branch only one
[16:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> nyu: 'bzr help svn-import
[16:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> Purpose: Convert a Subversion repository to a Bazaar repository.
[16:21] <phcoder> but both are part of bzr-svn
[16:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> '
[16:21] <nyu> ah I see
[16:21] <phcoder> nyu: how do you update our bzr-svn mirror?
[16:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> I don't have a bzr-svn command
[16:22] <phcoder> Kamping_Kaiser: bzr-svn is a plugin, not a command
[16:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> phcoder: ah right. yes, we're on the sam epage then
[16:23] <phcoder> it provides bzr branch and bzr svn-import
[16:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> i should really backport bzr{-svn,-git} from sid atsome point
[16:24] <phcoder> Kamping_Kaiser++
[16:25] <nyu> phcoder: I bzr pull; bzr push
[16:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> I've been putting it off since it looks like it'll involve dependancies, but bzr-git would be helpful to me
[16:30] <phcoder> Kamping_Kaiser: KeyError: ('2063@d0de0278-0dc1-4c01-8a07-af38b3205e46:trunk%2Fgrub2:commands%2Fmemrw.c', 'svn-v3-single1-dHJ1bmsvZ3J1YjI.:d0de0278-0dc1-4c01-8a07-af38b3205e46:trunk%2Fgrub2:2172')
[16:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> phcoder: can you link me to the repo? I'll start to track it too
[16:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> {bzr,svn} info -v
[16:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> ftr
[16:32] <phcoder> Kamping_Kaiser: svn.sv.gnu.org/grub/trunk/grub2
[16:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> and shuld i branch or co?
[16:32] <phcoder> Corrupted one is here: http://people.debian.org/~rmh/grub/bzr-backup2/
[16:33] <phcoder> Kamping_Kaiser: branch
[16:34] <phcoder> nyu: what if we import through git avoiding svn but still getting the same IDs this way?
[16:35] <nyu> phcoder: what are those IDs for?
[16:35] <phcoder> nyu: merging
[16:36] <nyu> phcoder: it feels much safer to discard them
[16:36] <phcoder> ok. What about using stock git-svn then and get different IDs?
[16:36] <nyu> I mean, it feels much safer to operate on the higher layer above the tools that grok their own formats
[16:37] <phcoder> nyu: what do you mean?
[16:37] <nyu> have you read my script?
[16:38] <nyu> it's very small and simple
[16:38] <nyu> and from bzr POV it's like the svn never existed
[16:38] <phcoder> nyu: not yet. As you know I work in another direction of possible recovery. What about fast-import/fast-export?
[16:39] <nyu> what do you want to archieve?
[16:40] <nyu> if this is an issue on safety, I trust my code a lot more than any other approach
[16:40] <phcoder> nyu: fast-export creates a text file which is actually just a chain of patches
[16:41] <nyu> how does bzr import that?
[16:41] <phcoder> bzr fast-import <file>
[16:42] <nyu> uhm doesn't have this option, is that a plugin?
[16:42] <phcoder> it's in bzr-fastimport package
[16:43] <nyu> ok let me play a bit with that
[16:47] <lizard_r> Hi, I made a little program/lib with a local reposity[18 rev.] which I would like to upload to Sourceforge. I just enabled the bazaar feature. I'm on windows and I'm not sure what I made wrong, output: http://lizard.pastebin.com/m6e4430a5 - does someone know what is wrong?
[16:47] <wade> Hi all, Any idea how I can troubleshoot a hang when issuing bzr pull via sftp?  I successfully pushed this branch, but when I try to pull it back down as a test, bzr just hangs after I successfully enter my password
[16:49] <wade> using the latest stable versions, btw
[16:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> wade: tried running with -v to get extra info?
[16:49] <wade> yep..hangs too - no extra info
[16:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> lizard_r: perhaps you should look on the bzr site abougt the rich formats, sf.net may be using an older veersion
[16:57] <fullermd> Last I vaguely checked, SF was using something like 1.10.
[16:57] <fullermd> So it's RR capable (though not 2a capable), but their scripts probably don't make a RR repo.  So you'd probably have to make the repo manually (I think you can do that on SF)
[17:00] <lizard_r> yes, they use 1.10 I just checked - but what you just said is far over my head :-)
[17:00] <wade> if anyone has any other ideas on how to troubleshoot this bzr pull hang, I'm all ears
[17:16] <wade> oh crap...never mind....I'm an idiot - I should be running bzr branch, not bzr pull, since I'm trying to pull a new copy - however, bzr should probably give an error message, not just hang - I'll file a bug
[17:17] <wade> er, branch a new copy I should say
[17:17] <fullermd> It certainly shouldn't; it should exit right away with 'Not a branch'
[17:18] <fullermd> (by 'should' I mean "certainly does now, pretty sure always has)
[17:18] <wade> right...I've seen that before...hmm..let me try something
[17:18] <fullermd> So I suspect you WERE in a branch...
[17:20] <wade> hmm...you might be right - when I made sure I was in the non-branch dir I wanted to be in, I did get the "not a branch" error message
[17:20] <wade> so the question is - why did it just hang when I was in a branch, and shouldn't it have given some error?
[17:21] <fullermd> I doubt it was really hung.
[17:22] <fullermd> It seems more likely it was doing something that took a long-arse time.
[17:23] <wade> hmmm...I'll play with it and see if I can replicate - the branch in question was 3 test files with 1 line each so I'd be surprised about a long-arse operation :)
[20:38] <thumper> an item for the sprint next week
[20:38] <thumper> can we plz add a command to push to not stack?
[20:38] <thumper> also
[20:39] <thumper> if it does try to stack but fails due to different format types
[20:39] <thumper> can we retry without stacking?
[20:39] <thumper> stacking is decided by the client, but the server suggests
[20:39] <thumper> right now we don't have a way to tell the client "no, plz don't stack"
[20:53] <lifeless> thumper: file bugs please
[20:53] <thumper> lifeless: I think there is at least one
[20:53] <lifeless> thumper: the sprint is about prep for the next cycle, not doing individual bugs, they are easily done solo, not a good use of face-time.
[20:54] <thumper> lifeless: remind me during the open spaces time
[20:54] <lifeless> thumper: I'm leaving before then.
[20:54] <thumper> lifeless: yeah, fair enough
[20:54] <thumper> lifeless: ok
[20:54] <lifeless> thumper: I will try to remind you, can't promise anything.
[20:57] <sjohannes> quick question, is there a way to set bzr's executable bit for a file in win32?
[21:05] <lifeless> you can using python
[21:05] <lifeless> but I don't think we have a command to do it
[21:09] <sjohannes> lifeless: any pointers for doing this? i've never worked with bzrlib before, so any help is appreciated
[21:12] <lifeless> sjohannes: the test suite does it a few times, in the exec bit support
[21:12] <lifeless> I'll dig up a reference in ~ 20 minutes for you
[21:12] <sjohannes> lifeless: ok, thanks a lot
[21:27] <bialix> maxb: ping
[21:29] <bialix> sjohannes: pluing x-bit
[21:30] <sjohannes> bialix: pardon?
[21:30] <bialix> you need plugin x-bit
[21:31] <bialix> to change x-bit on win32
[21:31] <bialix> you wrote: "sjohannes	quick question, is there a way to set bzr's executable bit for a file in win32?" right?
[21:31] <bialix> sjohannes: ^
[21:32] <sjohannes> bialix: ah i see. just didn't understand the "pluing" bit :)
[21:32] <bialix> sory, typo
[21:32] <sjohannes> bialix: i'll have a look, thanks
[21:42] <sjohannes> bialix, lifeless: the x-bit plugin works nicely. thanks for your help
[21:42] <bialix> glad to hear
[21:43] <maxb> bialix: hi
[21:43] <bialix> maxb: hello
[21:43] <bialix> maxb: I'm working on inclusion of your patch for   in qlog
[21:44] <bialix> I've changed news entry as following: "Preserving leading whitespace in the lines of the log message."
[21:44] <bialix> maxb: is it ok for you?
[21:44] <bialix> is it correct English?
[21:46] <maxb> Nearly - s/Preserving/Preserve/
[21:46] <bialix> ok
[21:48] <bialix> maxb: thank you for the fix, merged now
[21:49] <maxb> thanks very much for the quick response :-)
[21:50] <bialix> :-/
[21:50] <bialix> today there was said too much about speed of response
[21:51] <bialix> pushed to trunk
[21:53] <nyu> I have a /trunk/{grub,grub2} SVN repository layout.  I'm trying to convert it to Bazaar using "bzr fast-export-from-svn",
[21:53] <nyu> I have a /trunk/{grub,grub2} SVN repository layout.  I'm trying to convert it to Bazaar using "bzr fast-export-from-svn", but in the output /trunk is a single branch
[21:53] <nyu> and I'd rather make two branches out of it
[21:54] <bialix> nyu: does svn-import does not work for you?
[21:55] <nyu> bialix: is that bzr-svn?
[21:55] <bialix> yep
[21:55] <phcoder> bialix: we have repo corruption in bzr and bzr-svn is a possible reason
[21:55] <nyu> bialix: sorry, no.  we've been trying that for 2 weeks and it corrupted out repository twice
[21:55] <bialix> oh, sorry
[21:56] <nyu> I want an approach that is as little intrusive as possible, and fast-import patchsets seem like a good way
[21:56] <nyu> except I don't know how to split the branches
[21:56] <nyu> can it be done in bzr afterwards?
[21:57] <nyu> d'oh, there's a split command
[21:57] <bialix> nyu: there is fast-import-filter
[21:57] <bialix> split is not exactly what you want
[21:58] <bialix> nyu: did you try --trunk-path option?
[21:58] <bialix> see help for fast-export-from-svn
[21:59] <nyu> bialix: it didn't work
[21:59] <bialix> :-/
[21:59] <bialix> file a bug please
[21:59] <nyu> I think it doesn't like that the new "trunk" doesn't exist throughrough all repository life
[21:59] <bialix> and try fast-import-filter
[21:59] <nyu> is that still a bug?
[22:00] <bialix> I dunno, I was unable to run fast-export-from-svn on windows
[22:08] <nyu> bialix: does fast-import-filter require a SOURCE argument?  the examples in help page don't have it, but it refuses to run without it
[22:08] <nyu> (bug filed)
[22:09] <bialix> yes, require
[22:10] <bialix> there is typo with help
[22:11] <bialix> example should be: front-end | bzr fast-import-filter -i lib/xxx/ - > xxx.fi
[22:11] <nyu> and I take it that SOURCE is the fast-svn-export dump?
[22:11] <bialix> yes
[22:11] <nyu> strange.  then I don't understand why do I get this:
[22:11] <nyu> bzr: ERROR: exceptions.TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'NoneType' objects
[22:12] <bialix> do you have latest version from trunk?
[22:12] <bialix> pastebin full traceback
[22:12] <bialix> I recall this bug was fixed recently
[22:13] <nyu> bialix: no, 2.0.1
[22:13] <bialix> version of fastimport plugin I mean
[22:13] <nyu> http://pastebin.com/m42df5aa8
[22:14] <nyu> bialix: 0.9.0~bzr243
[22:15] <nyu> not sure if that 243 is meaningful or debian-made
[22:15] <bialix> looks like revno
[22:15] <bialix> the latest revno of fastimport trunk is 260
[22:17] <bialix> can you just do: cd ~/.bazaar/plugins; bzr get lp:bzr-fastimport fastimport
[22:17] <bialix> and then try fi-filter again
[22:19] <nyu> sure
[22:20] <nyu> bzr fast-export-from-svn svn-repo - | bzr fast-import-filter -i /trunk/grub2 - | bzr fast-import - bzr-repo
[22:20] <nyu> does this look sane?
[22:21] <nyu> uhm still same error
[22:21] <nyu> maybe I should use bzr split?
[22:21] <bialix> bzr split won't filter out the history of other branch
[22:21] <bialix> if you can live with that than use
[22:22] <bialix> and file bug please
[22:22] <bialix> about NoneType
[22:23] <nyu> bialix: maybe I can debug this, but I would need some direction
[22:23] <bialix> ok, set env variable BZR_PDB=1
[22:23] <bialix> and run again
[22:23] <nyu> ok
[22:23] <lifeless> sjohannes: if bialix's plugin works for you it will be _much_ simpler than the code wI was digging up
[22:24] <bialix> nyu: wait, why you're using -i /trunk/grub2 ?
[22:24] <sjohannes> lifeless: well, thank goodness it works :-P
[22:24] <bialix> nyu: why not just grub2?
[22:24] <nyu> bialix: I don't know
[22:24] <nyu> I want /trunk/grub2 to become a branch
[22:25] <bialix> if you don't use  filter and do fast-import what you have?
[22:25] <nyu> I have a shared-repo with only one branch in it, called "trunk"
[22:25] <nyu> which has two directories, grub and grub2
[22:25] <bialix> and what's inside?
[22:25] <nyu> the source trees
[22:25] <bialix> ok, filter operates in the terms of these paths
[22:26] <bialix> you should run filter with -i grub2
[22:26] <nyu> oh, ok
[22:26] <nyu> same problem.  actually, filter is supposed to work without -i or -x too, right?
[22:26] <nyu> I mean, as a no-op
[22:28] <bialix> I'm not sure, I'm not author, but used it successfully in the past
[22:28] <bialix> try to run fast-import-info instead of filter just to check if strea is correct
[22:28] <bialix> try to run fast-import-info instead of filter just to check if stream is correct
[22:30] <bialix> if you know the format of git-fastimport stream you can save it to disk as export-from-svn output and check if there all ":" marks are correct
[22:30] <nyu> it looks sane
[22:30] <nyu> what's a parent?
[22:30] <nyu> as in, parent branch?
[22:30] <bialix> nyu: btw, you can try to fast-export of imported bzr trunk and try to filter it instead of svn output
[22:31] <nyu> oh, but wouldn't I get the same thing?
[22:31] <bialix> sometimes -- no
[22:31] <bialix> parents -- it seems revision parents
[22:32] <bialix> merged revisions etc
[22:33] <nyu> self.parents[":" + cmd.mark] = parents
[22:33] <nyu> is ":" + cmd.mark an array index?
[22:33] <bialix> yes
[22:33] <bialix> and error talk about cmd.mark is None
[22:33] <bialix> but it supposed to be a string
[22:33] <bialix> you can try to change this line this way:
[22:34] <bialix> self.parents[":" + (cmd.mark or "")] = parents
[22:34] <nyu> cmd is some sort of struct passed from commit_handler() right?
[22:34] <bialix> passed to IMO
[22:34] <nyu> I thought of that, but it seems to be hiding the real bug?
[22:34] <bialix> can you print cmd
[22:34] <bialix> ?
[22:34] <nyu> I mean, is it acceptable that cmd.mark is empty?
[22:35] <bialix> I can't say for sure
[22:35] <nyu> 1 min
[22:36] <nyu> bialix: http://pastebin.com/mf82ea86
[22:36] <nyu> uhm... there's an empty line
[22:38] <bialix> you really can compare the output of fast-export from big bzr branch with grub1 and grub2
[22:39] <nyu> ok, I'll try that
[22:41] <bialix> nyu: I'm looking at parser.py: ImportParser
[22:41] <bialix> there is method _get_mark_if_any
[22:42] <bialix> result of this method then passed as cmd.mark
[22:42] <bialix> sometimes this method returns None
[22:42] <nyu> oh, interesting
[22:42] <nyu> what does it mean when it returns None?
[22:42] <nyu> is that supposed to be tollerable?
[22:43] <bialix> does your project is open-source?
[22:43] <nyu> bialix: the raw repo is public, rsync -avzHS rsync://svn.savannah.gnu.org/svn/grub/ /tmp/grub.repo/
[22:44] <bialix> how's big fi stream after export-from-svn?
[22:44] <bialix> after gzip/zip?
[22:44] <bialix> I can't rsync right now
[22:44] <bialix> and I can't run fast-export-from-svn either
[22:45] <nyu> hold on, compressing
[22:46] <bialix> ok, looking at the code if get_mark_any returns None it push the processed line back to stream
[22:47] <bialix> IMO it means it want to process it later or somehow different
[22:49] <nyu> bialix: what code portion are you looking at?
[22:49] <bialix> parser.py
[22:49] <nyu> btw, gzip'ed repo is 237 MiB
[22:49] <bialix> ImportParser
[22:49] <bialix> it's a bit big :-/
[22:50] <bialix> I can download it only tomorrow from work
[22:51] <nyu> I guess you meant _get_mark_if_any() ?
[22:51] <bialix> yep
[22:51] <bialix> but strange thing is in command.py
[22:51] <bialix> but strange thing is in commands.py
[22:52] <bialix> CommitCommand
[22:52] <bialix> there is code that checks cmd.mark for None
[22:53] <nyu> oh, maybe filter_processor.py should do a similar check?
[22:54] <bialix> wait
[22:54] <bialix> in your patse http://pastebin.com/mf82ea86 there is line commit, after which should be a line with mark
[22:55] <bialix> if I do fast-export for my testing repo I see line with mark
[22:55] <bialix> you have nothing
[22:56] <bialix> I really think that fast-export command over bzr branch will produce more "correct" stream
[22:56] <nyu> ah yes, I was going to test that
[23:00] <nyu> bialix: btw, lzma file is only 17 MiB
[23:00] <bialix> this size is much better
[23:00] <nyu> (tarball from svn repo)
[23:01] <nyu> ah wait, you said you don't have fast-export-svn handy?
[23:01] <bialix> no
[23:07] <bialix> nyu: just FYI: there is 2 forms of git-fastimport streams
[23:07] <bialix> one form has inline blobs
[23:07] <bialix> second one is not
[23:08] <bialix> fast-import plugin prefer to work with inline
[23:08] <nyu> bialix: it seems that export from bzr works
[23:08] <bialix> looking at your paste it seems you have the latter form
[23:08] <nyu> at least, fast-import-filter won't complain
[23:08] <bialix> good
[23:09] <nyu> I think I can work this way.  I'll add the missing information to the bug report
[23:10] <bialix> nyu: there is also fast-import-info command
[23:10] <bialix> according to help this command can be used as elper
[23:10] <bialix> according to help this command can be used as helper
[23:11] <bialix> but it seems filter does not use this additional info
[23:12] <bialix> glad you managed it to finish
[23:12] <nyu> excellent, fast-import-filter worked
[23:12] <nyu> bialix: I put the info in https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/477886
[23:12] <nyu> thanks for your assistance
[23:12] <bialix> thanks for filing a bug
[23:49] <jam> lifeless: I have a question about subunit. Namely, is there a way to get a nice progress bar out of "bzr selftest --subunit" ?
[23:49] <jam> As far as I can tell, pqm must have been running a custom filter on it
[23:50] <jam> ah, maybe "subunit2pyunit --progress" ?
[23:51] <jam> that is almost spooky to see the output :)
[23:58] <lifeless> jam: :)
[23:58] <lifeless> -> plane
[23:58] <jam> lifeless: of course, it would  be nicer if it could retain the log when run_bzr fails ... :)
[23:58] <jam> lifeless: I'll be joining you in..... 6 hours
[23:59] <jam> and then see you in about 30
[23:59] <jam> I figured I might try to get more of the test suite passing on Windows during my copious free time now.


[15:47] <greg-g> heh, martin fowler on the best keyboard ever: https://martinfowler.com/articles/kinesis-advantage2.html
[15:48] <greg-g> (mostly for rick_h's benefit ^ )
[15:49] <rick_h> nice
[15:49] <rick_h> I can't get behind the foot bits, I do like my tilting foot rest though
[15:55] <greg-g> yeah, I'm still doing the standing desk thing (with this chair: https://www.fully.com/chairs/hag-capisco-chair.html ) so I don't use foot pedals. I move around too much. eg right now I'm in a quasi cross-legged position
[16:47] <cmaloney> That Capisco chair looks interesting
[16:47] <cmaloney> Still rocking the sitting desk and the ball chair
[17:45] <Scary_Guy> They need to license and make a South Park balls chair
[17:47] <Scary_Guy> Personally, I wont be happy until I'm in a liquid tank with a wetware jack to the base of my skull.  They really need to get on that.


[00:02] <izanagi> why weird?
[00:02] <izanagi> just updated the rep
[00:51] <Guest50707> Would Kubuntu ignore a SSD that has Ubuntu installed on it when trying to install Kubuntu from DVD? Do I need to use the Partition Manager to wipe it first then it might show as an option? Hate to wipe it only to find out it didn't help! :)
[00:51] <Guest50707> Only have 1 of my external drives showing as an install option... it is EXT4... other 2 or NTSF. I don't want to install to any of them. Secure Boot is OFF, Fast Boot is OFF.
[00:51] <Guest50707> Any help is appreciated...
[01:05] <benbloom> thanks puff. unfortunately the -f flag shows process start date (2 days ago) but no time. is there a way to get more detail?
[01:07] <lorddelta> Could anyone help me with my timezone problem? I think I have the correct time, but I can't seem to set the timezone properly so my time shows up correctly.
[01:09] <Guest50707> Do I need to use the Partition Manager to wipe an install of Ubuntu first to get that hard drive to show up as an option to install Kubuntu to? Hate to wipe it only to find out it didn't help and I can't install Kubuntu! :)
[01:10] <tsimpson> Guest50707: the installer should give you the option to use the entire disk, and it will repartition and format the disk in that case
[01:10] <Guest50707> Yeah it only shows 1 drive to install too a USB attached...
[01:10] <Guest50707> which isn't where I want to install too. Secure boot is off, fast boot is off
[01:11] <Guest50707> I have an SSD and a 1TB drive internal... ignoring both
[01:11] <Guest50707> Doesn't show sda or sdb
[01:14] <Guest50707> tsimpson: This of interest to you? http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?62995-Wrong-time-zone-on-your-clock-Help-Kubuntu-devs-create-a-fix&highlight=ignore+hard
[01:15] <Guest50707> Guess I will wipe out Ubuntu and see if it shows as an option to install Kubuntu to.... if not, I guess I reinstall Ubuntu again :(
[01:20] <benbloom> puff: I think figured it out 'ps -o %t'
[04:50] <puff> What is the deal with plasma widgets?  I couuld swearI used to have Window List in my task bar, but it's not there now, and when I try to add widget it gives me the circle/bar icon.
[10:30] <izanagi> they came and they watch
[10:38] <izanagi> the quiter you are, the more you are able to hear
[11:43] <BluesKaj_> Howdy all
[12:02] <demonoid_me> how can i create booteable  usb stick with windows 7
[12:02] <demonoid_me> plsss
[12:02] <demonoid_me> help me
[12:02] <demonoid_me> f******ing kubuntuuu!
[12:06] <gits1225> demonoid_me: download unetbootin
[12:06] <demonoid_me> gits1225: i tryed but cant boot :(
[12:06] <demonoid_me> and i tryed with dd
[12:06] <demonoid_me> and with all things in google
[12:07] <gits1225> Can't boot as in the unetbootin screen doesn't show up on boot?
[12:08] <demonoid_me> yes i have only default
[12:08] <demonoid_me> in the screen
[12:08] <demonoid_me> for choose
[12:08] <gits1225> yea, that should do fine
[12:08] <gits1225> forward with default option
[12:08] <demonoid_me> and when i type enter   cant boot
[12:09] <demonoid_me> :(
[12:09] <gits1225> zzz
[12:09] <gits1225> I don't know, you could try a different software like usbcreator
[12:11] <gits1225> demonoid_me: How did you use dd in Windows 7? I am curious
[12:11] <gits1225> something like cygwin?
[12:14] <demonoid_me> gits1225: nooo in windows
[12:14] <demonoid_me> gits1225: in kubuntu
[12:15] <demonoid_me> dd if=path to the iso  file    if=path to the   /dev/sdX   bs=512
[12:16] <demonoid_me> gits1225: where iso file is windows 7
[12:16] <demonoid_me> and sdX is the usb drive
[12:19] <demonoid_me> gits1225: ??????????????
[14:09] <Weust`> Hi, alt+tab doesn't work here, any ideas why ? i checked Global Keyb Shortcuts at KWin and it is defined as "Walk through windows", i tried remapping it to something else and back but didn't work in both cases
[14:09] <Weust`> where can i look now ?
[14:22] <Weust`> i just found out the "error" window behaviour was "focus under mouse", if i set this to "focus follows mouse" it works
[14:27]  * genii makes a note
[14:27] <Weust`> could help for future searches :+)
[15:10] <DarthFrog> Well, I just learned something new that other folks might find useful.  "sudo !!" will repeat your last issued command at the command line with sudo privileges.  Very useful.
[15:11] <Ivan_Ukraine> Hi all!
[15:11] <Ivan_Ukraine> Kubuntu 13.04 is AWESOME!!!
[15:12] <Ivan_Ukraine> It's so polished and... sexy!
[15:13] <smartboyhw> Now that's a rare comment but yeah!
[15:14] <Ivan_Ukraine> Is this talk about Mir implementing and death of Kubuntu true?
[15:14] <smartboyhw> Ivan_Ukraine, sort of. We aren't dying, but we are sure we won't have MIR.
[15:15] <Ivan_Ukraine> But what are the options? ubuntu community can't make KDE+MIR alone :(
[15:15] <Ivan_Ukraine> Nobody want Mir except ubuntu
[15:17] <Ivan_Ukraine> I guess time will show us what's what. But I guess, Kubuntu will be KDE+Debian
[15:17] <yofel> most of the other flavours plan to try to stick to X as long as possible. We'll probably have to work out how well Wayland can be used in ubuntu
[15:20] <Ivan_Ukraine> Ubuntu is ruled by Mark. He said: "Every resource available to Mir". Question is "Will Kubuntu community be able to maintain Wayland in ubuntu or not". On the other hand Debian will maintain Wayland 100%. Maintain KDE is heavy burden. But KDE + Wayland is VERY VERY HARD.
[15:22] <genii> Ivan_Ukraine: For chat not directly related to support issues I would recommend #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[15:23] <Ivan_Ukraine> Oh. excuse me :)
[15:39] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[17:08] <izanagi> Hello
[17:09] <izanagi> In energy managment i choosen: when power button press, ask about log out
[17:09] <izanagi> and still, after pressing power button, compuer shuts down
[18:14] <lorddelta> just curious but what is/are the technical problems with mir?
[18:14] <lorddelta> I understand not liking Unity, I'm on KDE after all.
[18:15] <izanagi> i think kdes better
[18:15] <izanagi> but nothing is perfect
[18:15] <lorddelta> izangi: no its X11 vs Mir vs Wayland
[18:15] <lorddelta> not KDE vs Mir, lol
[18:16] <izanagi> well im green
[18:16] <izanagi> never heard of mir
[18:16] <lorddelta> KDE uses x11 right now
[18:16] <izanagi> saw that in backrack with kde
[18:17] <izanagi> kde starts with startx
[18:20] <izanagi> do you now why alt-f2 dont work?
[18:20] <lorddelta> no it works for me sorry
[18:20] <lorddelta> you have kubuntu installed yes?
[18:20] <izanagi> it works only after launching it from termial
[18:20] <izanagi> yes
[18:21] <izanagi> i launch krunner in terminal - it works
[18:21] <lorddelta> um, you launch alt-f2 from the terminal?
[18:21] <izanagi> i mean
[18:21] <lorddelta> lol ok yeah I was gonna say
[18:21] <lorddelta> sorry
[18:22] <lorddelta> I assume you've already tried re-installing krunner then?
[18:22] <lorddelta> --purge remove, install krunner?
[18:22] <izanagi> didnt try
[18:22] <izanagi> last time broken whole system
[18:22] <izanagi> but i will try maybe
[18:23] <lorddelta> ...lemme guess you are on 13.04
[18:23] <izanagi> or maybe add it to autostart?
[18:23] <lorddelta> 13.10
[18:23] <lorddelta> yeah that would help :P
[18:23] <izanagi> 13.04
[18:23] <izanagi> 13.10 not relesaes
[18:23] <izanagi> yet
[18:23] <izanagi> i want 13.10 badly
[18:23] <lorddelta> but it just works for me so I assume your config got screwed up
[18:23] <lorddelta> that's usually how these things work
[18:24] <izanagi> i just cleared .kde oO
[18:24] <lorddelta> I don't know where the config for these things are. If you find out let me know!
[18:24] <lorddelta> !
[18:25] <lorddelta> !info krunner
[18:26] <izanagi> well i do not use it often anyway
[18:26] <lorddelta> !info kde-workspace-bin
[18:27] <lorddelta> ^ I think that's the package you'll want to reinstall
[18:27] <lorddelta> I wouldn't purge that though there's a lot more than just krunner in there
[18:27] <izanagi> hmm
[18:27] <lorddelta> sudo apt-get --reinstall install kde-workspace-bin
[18:27] <izanagi> i will make first an clonezilla image
[18:28] <izanagi> a
[18:28] <lorddelta> reinstall is pretty safe
[18:28] <lorddelta> but sure
[18:28] <lorddelta> never hurts to be cautious
[18:28] <izanagi> well, i killed my instalation few times
[18:28] <izanagi> with amd
[18:28] <izanagi> i want 13.10 and new kernel now ;d
[18:29] <lorddelta> Uhm
[18:29] <lorddelta> Stay away, with a 30 ft pole.
[18:29] <lorddelta> I don't mean to scare you off of 13.10 or new kernels
[18:29] <lorddelta> but if you don't know what you're doing that's a prime way to really mess up your system
[18:31] <lorddelta> e.g. I tried that once with 12.10 and I broke everything but the most basic stuff on the system...I was luck I had land-line internet and new my way around the command line well enough to fix stuff.
[18:32] <lorddelta> using a live cd is safer...put it that way
[18:37] <BluesKaj_> lorddelta, I'm on 13.10 and there have been some glitches , but all have been solvable so far
[18:37] <lorddelta> BluesKaj_: I'm sure you are, I don't mean to put off people from 13.10, it just didn't sound like izanagi was ready for the potential headaches
[18:38] <lorddelta> I hope 13.10 goes great (and there are no problems for anyone)!
[18:40] <BluesKaj_> lorddelta, well one has to have a stable backup OS like 13.04 , when testing alpha/beta releases
[18:40] <lorddelta> Why do all these mis-configurations happen though?
[18:40] <lorddelta> I've wondered if there are ways of hardening the configuration system...
[18:41] <izanagi> yes it is
[18:41] <izanagi> make a copy
[18:41] <izanagi> if it works
[18:41] <izanagi> you broke something - you restore backup
[18:42] <izanagi> i learned that after broking ubuntu
[18:42] <lorddelta> 1) I know often there are external packages with like to cause trouble 2) people reading tutorials online which are out of date/do not entirely apply 3) mistakes made by package maintainers 4) bugs with write out bad configurations....
[18:42] <lorddelta> But considering that there is always the "re-install everything" option, I have to wonder if there isn't an easier way of restoring configurations than re-installing all the programs too.
[18:43] <izanagi> thats why linux is not for everyone
[18:44] <izanagi> a /home as partiton is good idea
[18:44] <izanagi> after reinstall you dont lose configuration
[18:44] <lorddelta> Yeah but half the time your configuration gets corrupted.
[18:44] <lorddelta> So that (shouldn't) matter.
[18:44] <lorddelta> Your exe's are fine.
[18:44] <lorddelta> exec's*
[18:46] <lorddelta> If you re-install and don't change anything on your home partition, then it logically follows the problem is not anything on your home partition
[18:46] <lorddelta> So your home partition does nothing but keep your files 'safe'
[18:46] <izanagi> but
[18:47] <lorddelta> izanagi: I may have discovered your krunner problem
[18:47] <izanagi> it keeps my bookmark for browser, email etc
[18:47] <izanagi> yes?
[18:47] <BluesKaj_> your data and app configs mostly
[18:47] <lorddelta> what is the output of 'ls /usr/share/autostart/krunner.desktop'
[18:48] <lorddelta> and if that file exists open it to make sure the contents aren't corrupted
[18:48] <lorddelta> BluesKaj_: right, which is great but the configuration problems usually all happen in /etc/, /lib/ or /usr/share, never /home/
[18:49] <izanagi> file exist
[18:51] <izanagi> Exec=krunner
[18:51] <izanagi> X-DBUS-StartupType=none
[18:51] <izanagi> it should be none?
[18:51] <BluesKaj_> lorddelta, well those files get rebuilt during the install
[18:54] <izanagi> you here?
[18:55] <Programmer_> i am considering removing kde from kubuntu. what is a better and fast desktop and doesnt cause as much lag?
[18:55] <BluesKaj_> Programmer_, have you updated and upgraded lately ?
[18:56] <Programmer_> not to a new version. still on precise. why?
[18:57] <izanagi> xfce?
[18:57] <izanagi> or gnome classic
[18:57] <izanagi> or mate
[18:57] <izanagi> they are light
[18:57] <Programmer_> BluesKaj_
[19:00] <BluesKaj_> Programmer_, ok so you're sticking with LTS , and I don't mean a release upgrade, i mean upgrade your your packages
[19:00] <Programmer_> im pretty sure i did
[19:00] <Programmer_> why do you ask
[19:01] <BluesKaj_> just run , sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:01] <izanagi> google optimalization of kde
[19:02] <Programmer_> already upgraded lol
[19:02] <izanagi> you can turn of a lot of setting
[19:02] <izanagi> off*
[19:02] <Programmer_> ?
[19:02] <BluesKaj_> your packages should be updated periodically so the OS runs with newer speedier versions of your apps/packages
[19:02] <izanagi> for example you can turn off some of desktop effects
[19:03] <Programmer_> they are upgraded just about everyday
[19:03] <BluesKaj_> and if you don't use kamil or file indexing
[19:03] <BluesKaj_> err kmail
[19:05] <lorddelta> izanagi: sudo apt-get install pnopaste-cli && less /usr/share/autostart/krunner.desktop | nopaste-it
[19:05] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[19:05] <lorddelta> Or, just less your file and let me know if it looks like this: http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?81075
[19:06] <Programmer_> ?
[19:07] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj_: are you working with gcc/g++ ?
[19:07] <izanagi> it looks like the same
[19:07] <izanagi> looks the same
[19:07] <Programmer_> should i dist-upgrade from 12.04?
[19:07] <izanagi> no
[19:08] <BluesKaj_> ovidiu-florin, nope
[19:08] <ovidiu-florin> oh....
[19:08] <izanagi> dist upgrade  = 15% chance
[19:08] <izanagi> or less
[19:08] <Programmer_> oh?
[19:09] <ovidiu-florin> oh = sigh
[19:09] <BluesKaj_> dist upgrade will upgrade all the kde packages to the latest on your OS , it will not upgrade to 12.10
[19:10] <lorddelta> izanagi: ls /usr/share/autostart | nopaste-it     ?
[19:10] <BluesKaj_> Programmer_,^
[19:11] <izanagi> program not installed
[19:11] <lorddelta> izanagi, yeah you need to install nopaste-it for that to work
[19:11] <lorddelta> sudo apt-get install pnopaste-cli
[19:11] <BluesKaj_> do-release-upgrade will upgrade 12.04 to 12.10
[19:12] <BluesKaj_> Programmer_,^
[19:12] <BluesKaj_> use sudo
[19:14] <Programmer_> o
[19:14] <Programmer_> should i upgrade to 12.10?
[19:14] <izanagi> http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?81076
 Programmer_,^
[19:15] <Programmer_> last thing i saw
[19:15] <Programmer_> should i upgrade to 12.10?
[19:16] <izanagi> there was nothing more
[19:18] <BluesKaj_> Programmer_, it's your choice ...12.10 is newer and faster
[19:18] <izanagi> i think it is better to do clean install of 13.04
[19:19] <Programmer_> if i did a clean install of anything, i'd completely wipe my hard drive
[19:19] <BluesKaj_> Programmer_, , sudo do-release-upgrade  will upgrade your 12.04 to 12.10
[19:20] <Programmer_> im considering installing debian and using what desktop kali-linux uses
[19:20] <Programmer_> and just move all my shit over to there
[19:23]  * BluesKaj_ shrugs ... don't look for confirmation from me :)
[19:23] <AshishL> i need help in downloading kubuntu . i am downloading the installer. i am running it and when the iso torrent is downloaded,  a permission error is shown . please help..
[19:25] <izanagi> you have to burn iso to CD
[19:25] <BluesKaj_> AshishL, is the iso file finished downloading , because that's all you need to burn it to media and then use that to install kubuntu
[19:29] <AshishL> BluesKaj_:yeah . i see a wubi file. i click it and i choose kubuntu desktop environment . then it downloads a torrent and then it stops after finishing download and shows error
[19:30] <BluesKaj_> AshishL, that's wubi that's not a real kubuntu install , it runs within windows
[19:30] <lordievader> AshishL: Why not try http: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download (this is for raring)
[19:30] <avihay> AshishL: you can download the ISo independently, and place it in the same folder with wubi
[19:30] <BluesKaj_> !wubi | AshishL
[19:31] <avihay> wubi will search for it first
[19:31] <BluesKaj_> i think wubi should be deleted / banned :)
[19:32] <BluesKaj_> causes more trouble than it's worth
[19:32] <AshishL> BluesKaj_: youre so right :D i think there should ke a "K"ubi. ! ;)
[19:32] <avihay> BluesKaj_: why? what's not real about wubi? except for real-time harddisk performance impact?
[19:32] <lordievader> BluesKaj_: I thought there where plans to drop it for 13.10. Argument was that is was buggy and unmaintained. (Might be wrong).
[19:32] <avihay> harddisk->read/write
[19:33] <BluesKaj_> it's not a real linux install ,   it's an windows application designed to act like l;inux
[19:33] <BluesKaj_> that's all I have to say
[19:33] <avihay> BluesKaj_: no, it's a real linux, it doesn't run within windows, it's a linux partition on a file inside an NTFS partition, but the rest is real linux
[19:34] <izanagi> lol, i would not try that
[19:34] <BluesKaj_> avihay, don't bother
[19:34] <izanagi> must be slow as hell
[19:34] <avihay> somewhat slower, yes
[19:35] <AshishL> BluesKaj_: i have an iso named kubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64. what else should i download ?
[19:35] <AshishL> BluesKaj_:to install kubuntu ??
[19:35] <izanagi> something to burn the iso
[19:35] <BluesKaj_> that's all you need for a real linux install AshishL ,
[19:36] <izanagi> and make sure you rly have amd and 64bit processor
[19:36] <BluesKaj_> yers of course media for the iso
[19:36] <lordievader> izanagi: Intel 64bit is fine too.
[19:36] <AshishL> BluesKaj_: but the iso has got wubi in itself . should i run that ?
[19:37] <BluesKaj_> ask avihay AshishL , he's the wubi guy here , I'm not
[19:38] <izanagi> .g a
[19:38] <AshishL> avihay:the kubuntu iso 13.04 has got a wubi . should i run it ??
[19:38] <avihay> AshishL: it doesn't matter if you extract wubi from within the ISO or download one, they just have to be in the same folder
[19:39] <AshishL> avihay:but when i run wubi from within the iso , it starts downloading a new iso . :P
 ...  they just have to be in the same folder
[19:40] <avihay> wubi.exe and kubuntu.iso
[19:41] <AshishL> abihay: they are  . hen what should i do ??
[19:41] <AshishL> then .
[19:41] <avihay> run the wubi.exe, it should find the ISO and not download. you won't get any special indication though
[19:44] <AshishL> avihay: im running the wubi.exe . but despite the iso being in that folder, its going on downloading another iso.
[19:45] <avihay> sec
[19:45] <BluesKaj_> didn't wubi ask you tobrowse to the iso folder /
[19:46] <avihay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide#How_do_I_install_Wubi_on_a_machine_with_no_Internet_connection.3F
[19:46] <AshishL> avihay:no
[19:47] <avihay> BluesKaj_: no :-<
[19:47] <avihay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide#How_can_I_use_a_manually_downloaded_ISO.3F
[19:48] <avihay> "DVD and Alternate ISO
[19:48] <avihay> DVD and Alternate ISO/CDs are not supported. The ISO must be a 10.04/11.10/12.04/12.10 CD Desktop ISO."
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide#How_can_I_use_a_manually_downloaded_ISO.3F
[19:54] <fluxbox> Hello
[19:54] <lorddelta> izanagi: I'll have to look at it another time but you look fine to me. Maybe check the logs to see if autostart complains of a problem?
[19:57] <AshishL> avihay: it isnt happening with wubi. i tried just now. what do you suggest download 32 bit 12.04 kubuntu ?
[19:58] <fluxbox> can anyone help me ? I want to install samba and build up a vpn ?
[19:58] <fluxbox> I am a N00b :(
[19:58] <fluxbox> witch channel do I have to go ?
[19:58] <avihay> !samba
[20:00] <avihay> fluxbox: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/samba-fileserver.html I think, kinda out of date, but until samba4 hits, I don't think anything will change
[20:09] <AshishL> avihay: i tried to install from wubi . its not working. saying some files are missing. what should i do ? download a 32 bit iso or a previous version of kubuntu . is there a method to do it withou wubi ?
[20:09] <avihay> wubi usually fails for me on first install
[20:10] <avihay> then I remove and reinstall and wit works fine ( I assume it found the ISO, right?)
[20:10] <avihay> wit->that
[20:11] <avihay> yes, there are ways to do it without wubi. but first, you should define 'it' better. what do you want to do?
[20:12] <AshishL> avihay : im trying to reinstall . 20 secs left...
[20:12] <AshishL> avihay : it found the iso "after " putting it in the USB.
[20:14] <AshishL> avihay: it is showing some missing files error (wubi) . i would like to do it without wubi...
[20:14] <avihay> ok, what is 'it', what are you trying to do?
[20:15] <AshishL> avihay: im trying to install kubuntu from wubi using a live USB .
[20:15] <AshishL> avihay:theres no boot screen either.
[20:16] <avihay> wubi uses the windows boot screen
[20:16] <avihay> I'm asking what is your end goal. you want a dual-boot system?
[20:17] <avihay> is it critical for you not to repartition?
[20:17] <AshishL> avihay: i want a dual boot and i do not want to repartition...
[20:17] <AshishL> avihay: should i download a 32 bit version of 13.04. will it work ??
[20:18] <avihay> ok. yes, it can be done. no, I havn't done it without wubi
[20:18] <avihay> AshishL: you can try, it's easy
[20:18] <avihay> I can refer you to some google results if you'd like, I've seen a few guids
[20:19] <AshishL> avihay: you mean that i download the 32 bit version again ??
[20:20] <avihay> I don't know. do you suspect the download got corrupted?
[20:21] <AshishL> avihay:torrent download...
[20:21] <AshishL> avihay:so no download problem.
[20:21] <AshishL> avihay: the regular download version of kubuntu  requires wubi ??
[20:21] <avihay> no
[20:24] <AshishL> avihay:thanks...
[20:29] <fluxbox> Hm OK please gimme a notice if someone wants to talk about cloud systems or so
[20:29] <fluxbox> I guess
[20:29] <fluxbox> :)
[20:32] <BluesKaj_> fluxbox,this is kubuntu support not linux chit chat , try #kubuntu-offtopic
[20:32] <fluxbox> Oh ok thank you for the advice :)
[20:32] <fluxbox> Thank you alot :)
[20:53] <AnThRaX> Hello everyone.
[20:56] <AnThRaX> Linux noob having major issues installing Kubuntu on an ASRock z77 Extreme 4(think it's something in the UEFI) can't seem to figure out how to get to legacy BIOS/if possible, looking for a little help, have read many forum threads, guides/tutorials to no avail.
[20:59] <ahoneybun> not too sure AnThRaX
[21:00] <AnThRaX> :-(
[21:01] <ahoneybun> AnThRaX: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2088049
[21:01] <AnThRaX> I read somewhere about turning off ASMedia things, but when I do that it doesn't see any of my HD;s
[21:03] <ahoneybun> AnThRaX: I can't be sure
[21:04] <ahoneybun> anyway I must jump off now though
[21:05] <AnThRaX> thank you
[21:18] <keithzg> Whoa, there's no option to create a non-Microsoft account login when installing Windows 8.1? Although this could be changed in the actual release, I'm shocked I haven't read about this anywhere.
[22:09] <shankstaBytes> anyone know how i can open a directory in kate?
[22:09] <shankstaBytes> it is kind of confusing
[22:09] <shankstaBytes> I just want to have my directory open so i can easily open files in my project
[22:27] <keithzg> shankstaBytes: Kate just shows all the files it HAS open. So you could open ever file in the directory, if you want. But that's the only way to populate that side-panel with the entirety of a directory that I know of.
[22:36] <AnThRaX> Anyone here that can help a noob with UEFI issues?
[22:39] <AnThRaX> seems the only way i can get kubuntu to start up is to turn off ASMedia SATA3 and not have any sata3 devices hooked up so cant see SSD to install? kubuntu not using Sata3 or?
[23:39] <avihay> shankstaBytes: there's a way
[23:39] <avihay> keithzg: ^
[23:39] <keithzg> avihay: Oh? Do tell!
[23:40]  * keithzg uses Kate daily, and is always curious to learn more, even if generally too lazy to do so unprompted, heh
[23:40] <avihay> in my kate I have labels on the left pannel called Documents, Symbol List, File system browser (the one you want) and projects
[23:40] <avihay> the file system browser let's you roam your directory tree
[23:41] <avihay> if you don't have it, then you need to enable it's plug-in
[23:42] <avihay> go to settings->configure kate
[23:43] <avihay> un the tree on the left side of the config go to the plug-in entry under application (there's another under editor component, I think), and enable all the goodies you want
[23:44] <shankstaBytes> keithzg: hmm how hard is it to make a plugin for kate?
[23:45] <keithzg> shankstaBytes: Probably not terribly hard, but avihay has just outlined how this is actually already existing as a plugin, so no need to :)
[23:45] <avihay> shankstaBytes: kate now has a python plug-in interface, so writing a plugin for kate is as easy as py
[23:45] <avihay> thon programming
[23:46]  * avihay loves Kate
[23:49] <keithzg> It's truly fantastic, eh? At my office my boss is constantly trumpeting how much he loves Notepad++; anytime he tries to win me over with a feature it has I show him how Kate can do the same and also some second thing Notepad++ *can't* do, and he sulks off defeated ;)
[23:50] <genii> notepad-vangelist
[23:51] <Avihay> oh, yhe? how do you do the macro thing N++ has in kate?
[23:52]  * Avihay found out kate regex search and replace is priceless, but also, a tiny bit broken


[07:08] <dholbach> good morning
[10:29] <dpm> dholbach, czajkowski, do you know if there is an easy way to count how many approved loco teams we have?
[10:30] <czajkowski> dpm: I just look at http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/  and look at the icon
[10:30] <czajkowski> or
[10:30] <czajkowski> um
[10:30] <czajkowski> let me switch my brain on
[10:30] <czajkowski> dpm: loook a thte approved locoteams on lp
[10:30] <dpm> is that a lp team? ~approved-locoteams?
[10:31] <czajkowski> https://launchpad.net/~locoteams-approved
[10:32] <dpm> thanks :)
[10:32] <czajkowski> np
[11:32] <dholbach> dpm, you have the number already?
[11:32] <dholbach> dpm, filter(lambda a: a.is_team, lp.people["~locoteams-approved"]) might work
[11:32] <dpm> dholbach, yeah, from the LP team page: 55 teams and 10K6 people
[11:33] <dholbach> ok cool
[11:33] <dpm> but thanks for checking out
[11:33] <czajkowski> wow
[15:42] <paultag> czajkowski: eating salt water taffy :)