[18:31] <ojwb> morning
[19:37] <ibeardslee> morning
[21:12] <snail> morning
[21:22] <thumper> morning
[21:37] <chilts> morning


[06:46] <doomlord> is there a command to maximize a window across multiple monitors ...
[08:08] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: moved session
[08:08] <seb128> jasoncwarner_, which one? (just in case it impacts my schedule)
[08:09] <jasoncwarner_> seb128: battery life/ram moved from today to tomorrow at noon. (didrocks request)
[08:21] <seb128> jasoncwarner_, ok, I need to be there as well, that slots works for me so all good
[09:09] <Bacta> Hi all - what sort of information would I need in order to submit a bug report for Wifi issues I've been having with my laptop?
[09:29] <fincan> hi, I have problem with intel+amd hybrid g570 laptop catalyst install, when I install catalyst from additional drivers, black screen appears after the install both fglrx and fglrx-update. There was no problem with 12.04 and when I installed catalyst beta from amd website. Deskop opens without unity interface. Still I could not find a solution. Any idea?
[09:56] <sbte> pitti, is there anything I can do to help fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emesene/+bug/1050358
[09:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1050358 in emesene (Ubuntu) "emesene crashed with SIGSEGV in tupledealloc.24592()" [Critical,Confirmed]
[09:57] <sbte> we get a lot of complaints, because nobody is able to use emesene in Quantal
[10:11] <tsdgeos> is there an easy way to get all the packages that are included in the 12.10 iso that get installed by default?
[10:15] <cyphermox> tsdgeos: what do you mean by get? a list or to download them?
[10:15] <tsdgeos> cyphermox: a list
[10:16] <tsdgeos> tried googleing for it but failed miserably
[10:16] <Laney> http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/ubuntu-12.10-desktop-amd64.manifest
[10:16] <didrocks> 11:02:23      didrocks | jasoncwarner_: thanks! (yes, this is really asynchronous ;))
[10:16] <didrocks> 11:05:50      didrocks | jasoncwarner_: can you schedule that one please?
[10:16] <didrocks>                        | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-ps-uife-ffe-sru (as we didn't get to that point in the
[10:16] <cyphermox> Laney: fast.
[10:16] <didrocks>                        | other ps related session)
[10:16] <didrocks> 11:06:03      didrocks | jbicha: suscribing you to this one ^
[10:16] <didrocks> (really asynchronous discussion as I hit some timeouts :p)
[10:16]  * Laney shoots from the hip
[10:16] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: doing it now
[10:16] <didrocks> excellent, thanks!
[10:17] <tsdgeos> Laney: so all in there is in the iso and all of it gets installed?
[10:17] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: done...should get scheduled here soon
[10:17] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: awesomeness ;)
[10:17] <Laney> well, it's all that's installed in the live environment
[10:17] <Laney> some stuff like metacity gets removed by the installer
[10:18] <tsdgeos> Laney: ok, thanks :-)
[10:37] <mpt> mterry, what design will you use for the Background panel for Unity?
[10:38] <jbicha> the same appearance panel as 12.10, right?
[10:39] <mterry> mpt, my work item was just about using different ones, not changing background panel
[10:39] <mterry> mpt, sorry that wasn't clear
[10:39] <mterry> mpt, just using different ones in different sessions
[10:39] <mpt> mterry, that much is clear, but what ones specifically?
[10:39] <mterry> mpt, in Unity, I was not planning to change anything
[10:39] <mpt> change anything from what? :-)
[10:39] <mterry> mpt, upstream's Background panel in GNOME, our Appearance panel in Unity
[10:40] <mterry> mpt, right now we patch it I believe
[10:40] <mpt> mterry, oh, so keep the 12.10 panel? ok
[10:40] <mterry> mpt, instead of using a different plugin for the control center
[10:40] <mterry> mpt, this just lets jbicha use upstream's panel easier
[10:40] <mpt> right
[10:40] <jbicha> :)
[10:54] <fincan> hi, I have problem with intel+amd hybrid g570 laptop catalyst install on ubuntu 12.10 64bit, when I install catalyst from additional drivers, black screen appears after the install both fglrx and fglrx-update. There was no problem with 12.04 and when I installed catalyst beta from amd website. Deskop opens without unity interface. Still I could not find a solution. Any idea?
[11:08] <DasWu> Hi I want try to do the gnome-settings-daemon bug from the bitesized section
[11:08] <DasWu> by now I want to find the code for that can anyone point me to it?
[11:08] <DasWu> would be that bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-indicator-mods/+bug/887139
[11:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 887139 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Middle clicking the keyboard layout indicator has behaviour inconsistent with other indicator applets" [Low,Confirmed]
[11:09] <jbicha> DasWu: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-settings-daemon/ubuntu
[11:09] <jbicha> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bzr
[11:09] <DasWu> chears
[11:14] <DasWu> jbicha: the source folder of that branch seems to be empty...
[11:15] <jbicha> you can use bzr bd-do for that (it's mentioned in that long wiki page I posted)
[11:16] <DasWu> okay I check that link
[11:26] <DasWu> alright now I am pretty much confused... what I did so far is bzr branch on the code link the checkout however does not contain code (or I am to stupid to find it)
[11:27] <DasWu> the wiki confuses me a lot since i have no idea in which of the described situations i am in
[11:27] <DasWu> the bd-do gives me an error
[11:28] <jbicha> what's the error?
[11:28] <DasWu> bzr: ERROR: unknown command "bd-do"
[11:28] <jbicha> DasWu: install ubuntu-dev-tools or packaging-dev
[11:29] <DasWu> ok
[11:29] <jbicha> specifically, you need to have bzr-builddeb installed but those other packages are useful
[11:32] <DasWu> alright that seemed to have worked
[11:43] <didrocks> RAOF: hey! howdy? ;)
[11:47] <DasWu> jbicha: do you whether the indicators are really part of the settings daemon?
[11:47] <didrocks> RAOF: there is a rendering glitch with latest unity version in proposed, this is now fixed upstream. Cherry-picked and in the queue right now (should be easy).
[11:49] <jbicha> DasWu: I'm logging off in a few minutes, but yes some indicator code is in gnome-settings-daemon but that is planned to be removed this cycle
[11:50] <DasWu> oh is there somebody i should talk to then before i start?
[11:51] <jbicha> if you have questions about contributing fixes to gnome-settings-daemon for Ubuntu, you 're in the right place; just ask your questions :)
[11:51] <DasWu> will i am not exactly sure where it is to be fixed
[11:51] <DasWu> its the keyboard indicator
[11:52] <jbicha> even for indicators, this is a good place
[11:52] <DasWu> i am not sure whether its different in unity as it is in gnome
[11:52] <jbicha> yeah, I believe the keyboard indicator is currently just in gnome-settings-daemon for Unity
[11:53] <DasWu> great than i need to figure out how to register a middle mouse button click with an action :D
[11:53] <jbicha> DasWu: ah, you may want to wait until the keyboard indicator gets split into its own separate package in the next month or two
[11:56] <DasWu> oh sure great
[11:56] <DasWu> how can i stay updated on this progress?
[13:20] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: I don't see the https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-ps-uife-ffe-sru scheduled automagically
[13:21] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: tomorrow 10:00 - 10:45 CET seems to be the best set to get some people from fundations/release team coming
[13:21] <didrocks> bet*
[15:17] <sbte> we get a lot of complaints, because nobody is able to use emesene in Quantal
[15:17] <sbte> oops
[15:20] <seb128> sbte, why not?
[15:20] <sbte> seb128, sorry, I pressed the wrong key, that was just something I told pitti earlier
[15:20] <sbte> it's about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emesene/+bug/1050358
[15:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1050358 in emesene (Ubuntu) "emesene crashed with SIGSEGV in tupledealloc.24592()" [Critical,Confirmed]
[15:20] <seb128> ok
[15:21] <seb128> seems like a pitti question indeed ;-)
[15:21] <sbte> I want to help fix that bug, but I have no idea what to do
[16:10] <kenvandine> Laney, ping
[16:10] <kenvandine> Laney, gstreamer-1.0 in b4-m6
[17:11] <dupondje> could someone take a look @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1073649 ?
[17:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1073649 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "lightdm visible on tty1, and console visible in lightdm" [Undecided,New]
[17:37] <mitya57> dupondje, apport says your lightdm.conf has been modified, did you try with unmodified conffile?
[18:59] <s9iper1> ursinha: pin
[18:59] <s9iper1> ping
[19:01] <dobey> s9iper1: she's at UDS
[19:02] <s9iper1> need assistance
[19:02] <s9iper1> dobey: this bug is the telepathy bug right ?? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/1072693
[19:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1072693 in empathy (Ubuntu) "Empathy does not connect accounts, Facebook, Google, Outlook" [Medium,Incomplete]


[00:01] <Rafael_> jeffesquivel: this is what i get: http://pastebin.com/xY5wR2Ly
[00:02] <jeffesquivel> Rafael_, ok, try this first: sudo apt-get install smbfs
[00:03] <Psi-Jack> Alrighty. I have a couple quick questions regarding UEC.. What is the Walrus storage service, and Storage controller?
[00:05] <Rafael_> jeffesquivel: i have samba install since i ave done that command in the past
[00:10] <jeffesquivel> Rafael_, hmm... smbfs is not part of the samba package, are you sure you have it installed?
[00:11] <jeffesquivel> Rafael_, in that case... I thnk the problem may be that you are trying to specify the full path inside the share...
[00:11] <jeffesquivel> Rafael_, how about sudo mount -t cifs //<IP_ADDRESS>/DRG /home/rgotten/charts.windows -o username=xxx,password=xxx  ?
[00:15] <jeffesquivel> Rafael_, did it work?
[00:23] <Rafael_> jeffesquivel: thanks i got it it is: sudo mount -t cifs -o username=xxxx,password=xxx //<IP_ADDRESS>/Charts /home/rgotten/charts.windows
[00:24] <jeffesquivel> Rafael_, great!
[00:24] <Rafael_> by
[00:25] <jeffesquivel> Rafael_, just in case... you can see the name of the shares on that server with: smbclient -L //<IP_ADDRESS>/
[00:26] <Rafael_> thanks a lot
[00:27] <jeffesquivel> Rafael_, you're welcome
[00:37] <jeffesquivel> bbl
[02:16] <cef> anyone got any hints on setting up serial console access for a KVM guest (serial in the guest, and configuring KVM/libvirt)?
[02:16] <cef> btw: http://tinyurl.com/ubuntuserv is broken
[03:27] <dlynes> I've tried adding kernel parameters to /etc/grub.d/10_linux, and then running grub-mkconfig, but it doesn't seem to spit out my new kernel parameters
[03:27] <dlynes> Is there a trick I need to know to get it to work?
[03:27] <twb> dlynes: you should add parameters in /etc/default/grub-pc or so
[03:28] <twb> Unless you're still using GRUB Legacy.
[03:28] <dlynes> twb, No such file or directory
[03:28] <twb> Also, I've always used update-grub, not grub-mkconfig.  I don't have a system that's still using grub in front of me, so I can't check what the difference is.
[03:29] <twb> dlynes: /etc/default/grub?
[03:29] <David5> Enter text here...sdfasdfsdf
[03:29] <David5> Hello
[03:29] <David5> ???
[03:29] <dlynes> twb, great....thanks
[03:30] <dlynes> twb, I've only used regular ubuntu and debian up until this point, and never had to do any kernel configuration on ubuntu before
[03:30] <dlynes> twb, is ubuntu server that much different from regular ubuntu?
[03:30] <Xodiac13> i need help on being able to get my ext hdd to do raid 0 with the internal hdd i mounted the ext hdd and i can get into it and it adds more space i just ran out of space on the internal hdd and it wont transfer more files onto the ext hdd i need help so i can put it on the ext hdd
[03:31] <twb> dlynes: the differences are primarily in the list of installed packages, and (on some architectures and releases) the default kernel variant.
[03:31] <dlynes> twb, it was /etc/default/grub
[03:31] <dlynes> twb, ah
[03:31] <Xodiac13>   i have a my share but seems to be full but it still has 300 gigs left and i also formatted it to a ext3
[03:31] <dlynes> twb, so there might be a few kernel tweaks in the server edition that aren't in the regular edition?
[03:32] <twb> dlynes: it is more that one will be configured with a server in mind, and the other with desktops in mind.
[03:32] <dlynes> twb, ah
[03:32] <Xodiac13> any help please
[03:32] <twb> For example, a desktop kernel might be built with a faster interrupt cycle, so that it seems more "responsive"
[03:32] <dlynes> twb, And the server editions aren't named the same way as the regular ones?
[03:32] <dlynes> i.e. jaunty, karmic, ...?
[03:33] <Xodiac13> me
[03:33] <twb> dlynes: an Ubuntu release includes both desktop and server bits.
[03:33] <dlynes> Xodiac13, can you break up your question into several sentences?  I'm having trouble understanding that one long run-on sentence
[03:33] <dlynes> twb, ah
[03:35] <Xodiac13> dlynes: i have an ubuntu server 8.04 64bit and my internal harddrive is full i formatted a 320 gig external harddrive to ext3 and i mounted it successfully in the command line i can see inside of the external harddrive but when i try to transfer files it said its full even though on the server it shows the added space is there anyway i can fix this with raid 0 or make a directory from the myshare to the external harddrive
[03:36] <dlynes> Xodiac13, what does raid anything have to do with your problem?
[03:36] <dlynes> Xodiac13, Can you pastebin the output of df, after you've formatted and mounted the external hard drive?
[03:36] <twb> Xodiac13: RAID will not fix your problem.
[03:36] <Xodiac13> dlynes: i figured it might solve the problem because it combines the space on the server including the external
[03:36] <Xodiac13> twb o okay how can i fix it
[03:36] <dlynes> Xodiac13, no, it does not
[03:36] <twb> Xodiac13: is "myshare" a product name?
[03:37] <dlynes> Xodiac13, you're thinking of LVM, not raid
[03:37] <Xodiac13> twb its the folder that the windows computers can see to add files
[03:37] <Xodiac13> dlynes how can i use LVM
[03:37] <dlynes> Xodiac13, i'm far from being an expert on lvm (I have no idea how to set it up), but you set up an LVM, and add volumes to it
[03:37] <twb> Xodiac13: please pastebin the contents of /proc/partitions and /proc/mounts, and the output of "df -m".
[03:38] <Xodiac13> twb okay
[03:38] <dlynes> Xodiac13, however, I think the lvm needs to be created first, and the drives need to be in the lvm before you start using them
[03:38] <dlynes> Xodiac13, but don't quote me on that
[03:38] <Xodiac13> dylnes k
[03:38] <Xodiac13> twb im somewhat very familiar with ubuntu but what you just have me do in the output of df-m
[03:39] <Xodiac13> i mean df -m
[03:39] <twb> You can use "man df" to find out about the df program.
[03:39] <Xodiac13> twb sigh okay
[03:40] <dlynes> Xodiac13, it sounds like you'd probably gain a lot by hanging out in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-beginners a while, too
[03:40] <dlynes> Interesting
[03:41] <Xodiac13> sorry my bad yeah thanks dylen all im trying to do is ask for help not critism i ask a simple question and you end up lectuaring me
[03:42] <dlynes> Xodiac13, i wasn't lecturing anyone...perhaps you misinterpreted my intent
[03:42] <Xodiac13> dlynes obviously i did i would like help please and i am willing to learn
[03:43] <ScottK> Xodiac13: I just read the backscroll and I don't think he was lecturing you.
[03:43] <dlynes> Xodiac13, I've asked for the output of 'df', and twb's asked for the output of 'df -m' and 'cat /proc/partitions' and 'cat /proc/mounts', and we haven't seen it yet
[03:43] <dlynes> Xodiac13, throw the output of those on http://pastebin.ca/ or something similar
[03:43] <Xodiac13> ScottK well if i cant even get an answer and all i here is dumb comments
[03:44] <ScottK> Xodiac13: They've asked you for information to help solve your problem.
[03:44] <ScottK> If the questions don't make sense to you, ask more questions instead of reacting.
[03:45] <Xodiac13> http://pastebin.com/259ng1Vd
[03:45] <Xodiac13> ScottK sorry im a little hotheaded
[03:45] <ScottK> Xodiac13: Happens to all of us now and then.
[03:45] <dlynes> Xodiac13, and what is sda and sdc?
[03:45] <Xodiac13> ScottK lol
[03:46] <Xodiac13> dlynes sda is the internal harddrive and sdc is the external harddrive
[03:46] <Xodiac13> http://pastebin.com/0Prt4eFb
[03:47] <dlynes> Xodiac13, ok, and where is your normal directory for your windows clients?
[03:47] <Xodiac13> http://pastebin.com/MCgkn64m
[03:48] <Xodiac13> dylnes myshare is on the ubuntu server for all the files so the windows computers can see it
[03:48] <dlynes> Xodiac13, which is where?
[03:48] <Xodiac13> sorry
[03:48] <dlynes> Xodiac13, /opt/myshare?
[03:48] <Xodiac13> i made a myshare on the ubuntu server using samba so any computer can see it on the network
[03:49] <dlynes> Xodiac13, again....where is myshare located within the directory structure on your ubuntu server?
[03:49] <Xodiac13> yes
[03:49] <Xodiac13> http://pastebin.com/grq7rfWc
[03:50] <Xodiac13> its located in the link it shows where its at
[03:50] <dlynes> oh...it's off your root directory
[03:50] <Xodiac13> dylnes yes
[03:51] <dlynes> pastebin the output of 'ls -l / | grep myshare' and 'ls -l /mnt/extdisk'
[03:51] <Xodiac13> k
[03:52] <Xodiac13> http://pastebin.com/fPj05q6b
[03:52] <Xodiac13> http://pastebin.com/RjVi1aJz
[03:53] <dlynes> Xodiac13, sorry.... 'ls -al /mnt/extdisk', I meant
[03:53] <Xodiac13> http://pastebin.com/1cyxtz0X
[03:55] <dlynes> Xodiac13, ok...try the following:  'mv /myshare/* /mnt/extdisk', and then pastebin the output (if it doesn't work), including your shell prompt
[03:55] <Xodiac13> dlynes k
[03:57] <Xodiac13> dlynes so its copying all the files to the extdisk?
[03:57] <dlynes> Xodiac13, i'm guessing that means it's working?
[03:57] <Xodiac13> dlynes yes
[03:58] <Xodiac13> dlynes sorry for me being hotheaded im in the Marine Corps and thats just the way we are
[03:58] <Xodiac13> dlynes at least me lol
[03:58] <Xodiac13> dlynes im a grunt
[03:58] <dlynes> Xodiac13, ok...now you need to update your samba config so that the exported folder is pointing at /mnt/extdisk instead of /myshare
[03:59] <Xodiac13> dlynes i need help on that im kind of a newb with ubuntu server
[03:59] <dlynes> Xodiac13, and I don't have time to help you with that tonight...it's actually bed time for me
[03:59] <Xodiac13> dlynes nooooo
[03:59] <Xodiac13> dlynes and for what you were going to help me on would it point it to the ext drive and the internal
[04:00] <dlynes> Xodiac13, what it's doing right now is moving all the files out of the /myshare directory and dropping them into the /mnt/extdisk directory
[04:00] <dlynes> Xodiac13, after it's finished, you'll see a whole bunch of free disk space on /
[04:00] <dlynes> Xodiac13, if you do a 'df -m' afterwards
[04:01] <Xodiac13> dlynes nice and now will i be able to get the files from the ext drive
[04:01] <dlynes> Xodiac13, anyways...suffice it to say, the information is in /etc/samba/smb.conf usually
[04:01] <Xodiac13> okay
[04:01] <dlynes> Xodiac13, so after you make any changes to that file, you'll need to do an /etc/init.d/samba restart
[04:01] <Xodiac13> now the internal harddrive will be free so i can add files to that now
[04:01] <dlynes> correct
[04:01] <Xodiac13> nice
[04:02] <dlynes> but not that get exported to the network
[04:02] <dlynes> they'll be local files
[04:02] <dlynes> /mnt/extdisk will be the network files
[04:02] <dlynes> but like i said...you need to update smb.conf and restart samba before anyone sees those changes
[04:02] <Xodiac13> so i will see the extdisk when i go to the myshare obviously but not the internal so i can add more files
[04:02] <Xodiac13> okay
[04:03] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: pong
[04:03] <dlynes> Xodiac13, anyways..pastebin the contents of your /etc/samba/smb.conf file and maybe someone will be able to help you
[04:03] <Xodiac13> dlynes k thanks man
[04:03] <dlynes> Xodiac13, i would suggest trying it on #ubuntu or #ubuntu-beginners though, instead...there's a lot more people in boht of those channels
[04:03] <dlynes> Xodiac13, your questions will get answered faster there
[04:04] <Xodiac13> dlynes okay thank you i really do appreciate it
[04:04] <dlynes> Xodiac13, this channel's mainly for people that have ubuntu server edition-specific questions
[04:04] <Xodiac13> dlynes nice
[04:04] <dlynes> Xodiac13, and the help you need, isn't server specific..all ubuntu distributions have those issues
[04:05] <Xodiac13> dlynes o okay thank you
[04:07] <Xodiac13> dlynes so in the samba config file what am i looking for to change so that i can use both the internal and external
[04:07] <cef> anyone dealt much with serial consoles with libvirt/kvm? I can't seem to get any working, and I suspect it's a host issue (libvirt domain defines)
[04:07] <Xodiac13> dlynes im not looking at it right now its transfering files so yeah
[04:08] <twb> cef: what the actual error?
[04:12] <cef> twb: every time i edit the domain info and put in a <serial or <console entry, it drops the <source element, and rewrites the <target element - plus the kvm command line has '-serial none' in it, so it's like it's totally ignoring the config options
[04:15] <cef> twb: fwiw: the machine the domains are running on is headless, and it isn't connected to a network with a gui box on it that I can use as a VNC console
[04:16] <cef> twb: the getty is running fine in the guest, but I can't figure out how to get the host to expose it somehow. preferably through 'virsh console domainname' would be best
[04:23] <twb> cef: everything you've said makes sense to me, and I don't know more.
[04:24] <twb> cef: you could try the libvirt channel (#virt?)
[04:24] <cef> twb: yeah that's next.. I tried #ubuntu-virt earlier. no response (2 hrs ago I think)
[04:25] <cef> actually only 1 hr ago
[04:25] <cef> oh fun, #virt is locked it seems
[04:25] <cef> oh fun, #libvirt is locked it seems
[04:26] <twb> Maybe OFTC
[04:26] <cef> no.. just #virt.. only 5 people in #libvirt
[04:26] <cef> yeah just looking thru the wiki/libvirt site now (been using it all day)
[04:26] <twb> cef: remember to STAY IN THE CHANNEL.
[04:27] <cef> yup irc.oftc
[04:27] <twb> cef: if you ask in #ubuntu-virt and then leave an hour later, you might miss a response from an hour-and-a-half later when someone wakes up
[04:27] <cef> twb: oh I'm still in both #ubuntu-virt and here..
[04:27] <cef> I idle in there 24/7
[04:27] <twb> OK, /whois lied to me.
[04:27] <cef> +c on the channel afaik
[04:35] <twb> cef: incidentally, have you played with lxc at all?
[04:39] <cef> twb: not really.. I've got it installed I think
[04:40] <cef> this console issue is my main stumbling block to getting this machine live.. and yeah.. it's creating a hassle for me at work.. *sigh*
[04:40] <cef> don't really have the time to play with lxc before it goes live.. mebbe after
[04:41] <twb> lxc is for jails, whereas kvm is for full emulation
[04:41] <twb> They're orthogonal
[07:47] <codygman> i'm trying to setup postfix on my server, and thought i did everything right, but it's not sending mail.
[07:48] <codygman> it seems like after executing 'mail -s subject myemail' the process keeps running
[07:48] <twb> When testing, use SMTP or sendmail(8) directly.
[07:49] <codygman> oh... alright i'll try using sendmail
[07:49] <killown> ubuntu-server is better than centos?
[07:49] <twb> Note that sendmail-the-api is not the same as sendmail-the-package
[07:50] <Callum__> killown: not necessarily better, both can do different things in different ways
[07:50] <twb> killown: mu.
[07:50] <killown> i need some linux distro for server
[07:50] <Callum__> I prefer the RPM package manager but I like the fact that Ubuntu Server is updated much more frequently and uses later versions of software
[07:53] <twb> I'm astonished that anyone who has studied the internals of rpm/yum and dpkg/apt can prefer the former.
[07:54] <Callum__> twb: I dunno, I just prefer it... I don't have any technical reasons as to why, apart from maybe a secure RPM repository is a LOT easier to set up than a SecureApt repository (STILL haven't figured it out yet)
[07:55] <twb> Callum__: erm, you just build a normal repo, but you sign it with your key.
[07:55] <twb> If you're using a PPA or so, I think that part is taken care of automatically anyway
[07:55]  * jeffesquivel agrees with twb
[07:55] <twb> Callum__: see e.g. http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository
[07:56] <Callum__> twb: yeah, but it still says in apt-get that its not secure >_>
[07:56] <twb> Callum__: either you did it wrong, or you didn't install your key into the apt client.
[07:56] <Callum__> and I have the key installed on every machine I try to use the repo with...
[07:57] <Callum__> hell, the repo doesn't even appear as secure on the machine that signs the packages
[08:02] <codygman> can you send email on a server without having a domain name yet?
[08:11] <twb> That would depend on where you're sending it to.
[08:12] <twb> If you're talking about a smarthost, it's pretty common for its correspondents to reject your mail if your EHLO host doesn't resolve.
[08:12] <twb> Obviously satellites are a pushover, because it's only talking to your local mail gateway server.
[08:14] <codygman> twb.. i'm just trying to setup mailing for my django site :P
[08:14] <codygman> i'm still in development, so I don't want to switch the dns on my domain name yet
[08:16] <sherr> codygman: If you are just wanting to send email, SSMTP (simple smtp) might be easier for a novice.
[08:17] <codygman> alright, i am pretty new to having my own server :D
[08:19] <jeffesquivel> codygman, how about use an existing account on an existing mail server to send the messages?
[08:19] <codygman> jeffesquivel.. you mean like using gmail?
[08:19] <twb> I have had bad experiences with ssmtp
[08:19] <jeffesquivel> codygman, exactly
[08:20] <twb> For roaming laptops, I can recommend msmtp.
[08:20] <twb> I'd use postfix for a server, though.
[08:21] <codygman> twb.. i'm trying to, I think i'm configuring it wrong
[08:21] <jeffesquivel> codygman, but it can be an account on any mail server you have an account already set up, not necessarily gmail
[08:21] <codygman> since i don't have a domain, i'm not sure what to put
[08:21] <codygman> or maybe i forgot to open port 25
[08:22] <twb> You only need to open port 25 to RECEIVE mail
[08:32] <jiboumans> morning folks
[09:08] <codygman> hostname -f keeps telling me this:
[09:08] <codygman> hostname: Unknown host
[09:09] <codygman> the contents of my hostname file is:
[09:09] <codygman> <IP_ADDRESS>   localhost localhost.localdomain runningshoesreview.org
[09:09] <twb> codygman: that's wrong.
[09:10] <twb> You should have "<IP_ADDRESS> localhost" and "<IP_ADDRESS> www www.example.net"
[09:10] <twb> You can have "localhost.localdomain" after "localhost", it shouldn't matter much with/without it.  But the hostname and FQDN should be the first two entries.
[09:11] <twb> (The first two entries in whichever line they're on, that is.)
[09:11] <codygman> alright here are all three lines:
[09:11] <codygman> codygman
[09:11] <codygman> <IP_ADDRESS>   localhost localhost.localdomain
[09:11] <codygman> <IP_ADDRESS> www www.runningshoesreview.org
[09:11] <twb> Right.
[09:11] <codygman> alright good :)
[09:12] <twb> Now if "hostname" returns "www", then "hostname -f" should return "www.runningshoesreview.org"
[09:12] <codygman> is there a book you'd recommend for this type of stuff btw?
[09:13] <twb> codygman: best I can do is /join #debian-bots, /msg dpkg grounding
[09:15] <codygman> alright cool
[09:15] <codygman> btw, my mailing seems to be working after that
[09:15] <twb> It's just stuff you pick up over time
[09:44] <RoAkSoAx> ttx, howdy!! i was wndering what would happen if one of the controllers of the cloud, i.e. cloud controller, fails
[09:44] <RoAkSoAx> would the cloud stop working>?
[09:45] <ttx> RoAkSoAx: depends on which controller you lose
[09:45] <RoAkSoAx> ttx, lets say the cloud controller
[09:45] <RoAkSoAx> would everything fail?
[09:45] <ttx> RoAkSoAx: VMs continue running
[09:46] <ttx> RoAkSoAx: you just can't send new commands
[09:46] <ttx> (euca-* commands calling the web services on the CLC)
[09:46] <RoAkSoAx> ttx, and is there a way to have many controllers for failover ?
[09:47] <twb> Not even the "abort!" command? ;-)
[09:47] <ttx> RoAkSoAx: not yet.
[09:48] <RoAkSoAx> ttx, so i guess eucalyptus guys are working on it already?>
[09:54] <RoAkSoAx> ttx, because i was thinking that it could actually done by using the cluster stack, but creating resource agents to manage the starting/stopping of the resources, such as a cloud controller
[09:54] <RoAkSoAx> though they would have to be clones
[09:59] <Psi-Jack> Heh, blah.
[09:59] <Psi-Jack> Trying out beta1 of Ubuntu-Server 10.4.. Can't seem to get ANY of the UEC Store items to install.
[10:11] <alvin> I just stumbled on bug 360038. Is this even possible? Does Ubuntu has an RDP server for X?
[10:13] <_ruben> rdp, doubt it .. vnc, sure .. not on a server though
[10:13] <_ruben> (havent read the actual bug)
[10:29] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.
[10:33] <case_> hi there
[10:33] <Psi-Jack> Morning.
[10:33] <case_> i'm trying to setup a cloud using the 10.04 beta CD, is it the right place to ask my questions?
[10:34] <Psi-Jack> Sure. If anyone were actually around to help. Been asking for questions about UEC for days, and nobody seems to be interested or knowledgable to help.
[10:35] <case_> :)
[10:35] <Psi-Jack> Heck.
[10:35] <Psi-Jack> I'm just trying to figure out what's required just to make UEC work proper..
[10:36] <Psi-Jack> As far as, does it use image files for all the kvm's installed by the store, or what.
[10:36] <Psi-Jack> For a vm box, I usually keep / down to 10-15gb tops.
[10:36] <RoyK> Psi-Jack: there was someone in here a couple of days ago that seemd quite knowledgable about UEC...
[10:36] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[10:37] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, it's rare enough to see little signs of help regarding it. ;)
[10:37] <case_> anyway, i've installed a cloud controler, then i've installed another PC as a node, which seems to have detected the cloud controler, so far so good... but once the install is finished, there is still no node listed on the controler... and no new node detected on the network...
[10:37] <RoyK> afaik I think those questions are rather well documented
[10:38] <Psi-Jack> Well I recently installed UEC from 10.4 (yes, I know, beta, but hey), but it failed to install any Store image at all, and no real usable reason as to why.
[10:39] <Psi-Jack> So I'm installing 9.10 in the same manner, seeing if it makes any difference.
[10:39] <case_> then, i've installed eucalyptus-nc on my own workstation, it was detected on the cloud controler using sudo euca_conf --no-rsync --discover-nodes , but once added still no node listed by euca_conf --list-nodes
[10:39] <case_> Psi-Jack, i managed to install store image but only with the admin login
[10:39] <case_> Psi-Jack, any other login, even with administrative rights will fail
[10:39] <Psi-Jack> I used admin. ;)
[10:40] <Psi-Jack> It just failed, no matter what I did.
[10:40] <Psi-Jack> Probably because of my 15 gb /, but I have a LVM VG available for all where I wanted the images to even be.
[10:40] <Psi-Jack> Empty 650 GB VG without LVs.
[10:42] <case_> should be enough...
[10:42] <case_> Psi-Jack, anyway, have you managed to setup nodes?
[10:42] <Psi-Jack> Nope
[10:42] <case_> hmmm
[10:45] <case_> i've just noticed i've gazillons of updates pending... may help to install them...
[10:45] <Psi-Jack> Didn't help me, but hey!
[10:45] <Psi-Jack> I'm installing 9.10 now. :p
[10:48] <case_> i'm sure it's a conspiracy to sell amazone ec2 ;p
[10:49] <Psi-Jack> That's fine. I could give a rats arse about Amazon hosting anything.
[11:22] <ttx> RoAkSoAx: yes, they are working on it.
[11:22]  * ttx grabs some lunch
[11:34] <thenetduck> hey when I put in sudo pdnsd-ctl empty-cache it says the command isn't found
[11:35] <thenetduck> how can I fix that?
[11:37] <killown> ubuntu is good for server?
[11:37] <\sh> killown, no use windows 7 for server...ubuntu is only good for the desktop
[11:38] <killown> lol funny
[11:40] <RoyK> killown: we have 40+ linux servers at work and we're in the process of moving them all to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS
[11:40] <RoyK> perhaps 10.04 LTS when that comes around, don't know yet
[11:41] <killown> and 910?
[11:41] <killown> and 9.10?
[11:41] <RoyK> that's not an LTS
[11:41] <RoyK> long term support release
[11:41] <killown> ok
[11:41] <RoyK> we only use LTS on servers
[11:41] <killown> do you try centos?
[11:41] <RoyK> yeah, and I don't like it, but I guess that's mostly taste
[11:42] <RoyK> I like the managability in ubuntu
[11:42] <RoyK> and the package availability
[11:42] <RoyK> there are some 23k packages available, last I checked
[11:42] <killown> stable packages?
[11:43] <RoyK> lemme check
[11:44] <RoyK> of course there will be bugs around, also in these "stable" packages. you get what you're paying for, and it's free...
[11:44] <RoyK> $ apt-cache search "" | wc -l
[11:44] <RoyK> 25317
[11:45] <RoyK> that includes metapackages, kernels and so on, but it's still quite a lot
[11:47] <killown> hehehehe nice
[11:48] <RoyK> the number for 10.04 (beta) seems to be 30628
[11:49] <RoyK> it saves me LOTS of time to be able to just apt-get install most things and not compile it from scratch
[11:49] <killown> i just need a stable distro for compile from source
[11:49] <killown> hehe
[11:49] <killown> there is many advanced things that you need enable in ./configure
[11:50] <case_> compile what from source?
[11:50] <killown> ldap samba squid
[11:50] <RoyK> some months back, before we decided to move to Ubuntu, one of the scientists came down and wanted netcdf packages and scipy and lots of other stuff that were a little tricky to get setup correctly. it'd take days to do that on one box. we switched to ubuntu and everything was ready
[11:50] <RoyK> killown: check ubuntu packages first - most of the stuff is in there
[11:51] <RoyK> ldap support in samba, for instance
[11:51] <killown> ok
[11:51] <RoyK> or AD support
[11:51] <killown> noway
[11:51] <killown> is it true?
[11:51] <RoyK> it's in there - we're using it
[11:51] <case_> killown, compiling everything from source is really not the philosophy of ubuntu...
[11:51] <killown> ad suporte for instance
[11:51] <RoyK> yes
[11:51] <Psi-Jack> Blah!
[11:51] <Psi-Jack> UEC stuff is painfully annoying me at the moment.
[11:52] <Psi-Jack> I got it to actually start an instance... It boots, it immediately shuts down afterwards.
[11:53] <case_> Psi-Jack, any trick to add a node ?
[11:53] <Psi-Jack> Eh?
[11:54] <Psi-Jack> I'm just following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/PackageInstall
[11:54] <case_> hmmm okay thanks
[11:55] <case_> so you're having better results with 9.10 than with 10.04beta , right? even if it doesn't work yet...
[12:01] <RoyK> killown: just download and install - try it yourself - I'd recommend 8.04 LTS for servers until 10.04 has been released _and_ has proven stable
[12:02] <case_> Psi-Jack, could you please tell me if euca_conf --list-nodes returns something for you on your cloud controler?
[12:02] <Psi-Jack> Not really. I'm wiping UEC off this system. Not at all happy with how annoying this whole method is.
[12:04] <case_> hmmm okay thanks
[12:20] <skuld_kid> Question about logs and rotation.  Last night I discovered my hard drive was full.  Had a syslog of over 50G, syslog.1 over 25G, and a daemon log of over 80G.  How do I configure my logrotate.conf to rotate these files...I don't see anything defined for these critical logs.
[12:28] <sherr> skuld_kid: have you looked at the man page for logrotate?
[12:28] <RoyK> it should rotate weekly by default
[12:28] <RoyK> keeping 4 weeks iirc
[12:28] <RoyK> perhaps you should check if there's a daemon filling the logs?
[12:28] <RoyK> tail -f daemon.log might be a start
[12:29] <skuld_kid> yes.
[12:30] <RoyK> sherr: it probably isn't rtfm that's the problem if a default ubuntu installation runs out of log space
[12:31] <RoyK> there isn't that much to log, really, unless you're running a very heavily used mail server with a spambot using it or something
[12:31] <RoyK> 50 gigs of logs is a LOT
[12:31] <skuld_kid> found the problem.  mysqld:  InnoDB error: trying to access tablespace <blah> page no. 0, but the tablespace does not exsist or is just being dropped.  Anybody know what that means, or how to fix it?  I didn't think I had any InnoDBs
[12:31] <skuld_kid> yeah I know
[12:32] <alvin> Should /tmp erased at boot, or at shutdown? (in Karmic)
[12:32] <_ruben> syslogs are rotated by its own script, not by logrotate
[12:32] <RoyK> try restarting mysql
[12:32] <skuld_kid> I tried that
[12:32] <alvin> there's a 'be' short in that sentence
[12:32] <RoyK> hm... google for it :)
[12:38] <alvin> Got it. /tmp *should* be emptied at boot when TMPTIME=0 in /etc/default/rcS
[12:38] <alvin> Now to find out, why this isn't working...
[12:41] <alvin> Found that too: it's bug 524196
[12:47] <RoyK> http://pharmama.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/fakesstest.jpg
[12:48] <pmatulis> RoyK: wrong channel?
[12:48] <RoyK> :)
[12:48] <RoyK> funny!
[13:07] <bogeyd6> bug 292971
[14:20]  * ScottK is working on ^^^
[14:36] <zim> Hi all. how can I get tab completion to work the same on the server version as on the desktop version. example apt-g{tab} ins{tab} apa{tab}
[14:37] <_ruben> zim: that works on -server as well by default
[14:38] <zim> _ruben: ok not on my version isp stock install root user what conf files do you edit to make it work
[14:39] <_ruben> complain to your isp for providing a root shell first
[14:39] <zim> sh --> is linked to dash before you ask
[14:39] <_ruben> but yes, root shells tend to be limited that way (never bothered to look into why)
[14:39] <_ruben> perhaps root doesnt use the global bashrc/profile stuff
[14:39] <zim> Ok many thanks anyway. anyone else?
[14:43] <zim> found it many thanks
[14:57] <Rafael> can anybody help me with this: rsync: recv_generator: mkdir "/home/rgotten/Prueba/Myplasticare/Charts/charts.documents" failed: Permission denied (13)
[15:01] <RoyK> Rafael: I guess filesystem permissions won't let you create it?
[15:09] <Rafael> RoyK: any idea what to do?
[15:10] <RoyK> mkdir manually
[15:10] <RoyK> check permissions
[15:10] <RoyK> manually override as root if nothing else works
[15:14] <sherr> Rafael: what exact rsync command are you using? Check target perms.
[15:18] <RoyK> sherr: it shouldn't be rsync's fault - the error is quite clear
[15:19] <Rafael> sherr: this is a small srip i am running. I found one of the problems is that the  folder called Charts was created as root so i delete it and recreate it as the user, but anyway this is the sript
[15:19] <Rafael> sherr: #!/bin/bash
[15:19] <Rafael> rsync -v -r -d --delete /home/rgotten/Prueba/Myplasticare /home/rgotten/mnt/ >> /home/rgotten/logs/respaldo-`date +%d%m%Y`.log
[15:19] <Rafael> rsync -v -r -d --delete /home/rgotten/charts.documents /home/rgotten/Prueba/Myplasticare/Charts >> /home/rgotten/logs/respaldo-`date +%d%m%Y`.log
[15:21] <zul> ttx: ill take the phpldapadmin
[15:28] <RoAkSoAx> ttx, where to find info about that or who can I talk to
[15:28] <ttx> RoAkSoAx: you can try #eucalyptus. Or talk to them at UDS :)
[15:31] <RoAkSoAx> ttx, i'll try #eucalyptus first cause I was actually planning a "HA Support for UEC" session for UDS, but that is just create OCF Resource Agents to provide failover in case any of the controllers fail, however this means that the nodes have to be clones
[15:32] <RoAkSoAx> so the RA's will allow us to use the current cluster stack
[15:32] <RoAkSoAx> to do the failover
[15:32] <RoAkSoAx> over two clone machines. Data could be replicated with DRBD for example
[15:49] <odin2> I'm stuck with getting sound on my server install, I installed xmms2 and alsa; ~/.cache/xmms2: alsa cannot find card '0' - I don't know where to start to resolve the problem (I searched the forum already)
[15:54] <sherr> odin2: Sound's a desktop thing really, this is #ubuntu-server. Not really on topic ...
[15:54] <sherr> odin2: the forum's got lots of sound questions/help. If you cannot find a relevant thread, post one?
[15:55] <bogeyd6> !desktop
[15:55] <bogeyd6> :)
[15:55] <bogeyd6> sherr, ubuntu does have a kicking MPD install
[15:56] <bogeyd6> sound streaming sucks through MPD tho
[15:57] <odin2> okay, was wondering if a server install doesn't support sound at all ...
[15:57] <odin2> thx
[15:57] <bogeyd6> odin2, you are correct in that is isnt supported in any way
[15:58] <bogeyd6> you will be missing muchos packages
[15:58] <RoyK> nice day today http://kernel.org/
[15:59]  * bogeyd6 thinks it has to do with the kernel not using a sound module
[15:59] <RoyK> bogeyd6: it should be autodetected
[16:00] <bogeyd6> odin2, lspci -v | grep audio
[16:01] <odin2> VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[16:01] <bogeyd6> RoyK, google is doing that today too
[16:01] <bogeyd6> odin2, now do lspci -v | less
[16:01] <bogeyd6> pastebin everything about the audio controller
[16:02] <bogeyd6> !pastebin @odin2
[16:02] <bogeyd6> !pastebin @ odin2
[16:02] <bogeyd6> !pastebin | odin2
[16:02]  * RoyK is looking for an update on HTCPCP
[16:03] <ttx> smoser: anything to report about euca2ools vs. boto1.9, to the euca guys ?
[16:03] <smoser> other than it went over really well.
[16:03] <smoser> i found basically nothing boto1.9 related.
[16:03] <ttx> ok, so no outstanding issue on that
[16:03] <ttx> good
[16:03] <smoser> no.
[16:04] <smoser> soon after lucid, we will have to merge our improved euca2ools
[16:04] <smoser> to theirs
[16:05] <odin2> bogeyd6, http://paste.ubuntu.com/407606/  only the sound part
[16:05] <bogeyd6> odin2, which ubuntu version?
[16:05] <odin2> 9.04
[16:07] <bogeyd6> hmm
[16:09] <odin2> shall I uninstall alsa and xmms2 and start over?
[16:09] <bogeyd6> did you run ALSACONF
[16:10] <odin2> no, I just installed everything alsa
[16:10] <bogeyd6> well run alsaconf
[16:10] <bogeyd6> if that dont work im outta ideas
[16:17] <ruben23> hi guys can i ask help i got ubuntu-server but during boot up my system force scan my LVM VOL001 and found error and inconsistency..problem aftre it wont properly, seems like all corrupted how do i repair it and recover..
[16:20] <ttx> smoser: do the daily EC2 images ship with ramdisk now ?
[16:20] <ttx> mathiaz: ping
[16:20] <mathiaz> ttx: o/
[16:21] <ttx> mathiaz: hey, two things I need to discuss with you
[16:21] <smoser> ttx yes. http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/lucid/20100401/published-ec2-daily.txt
[16:21] <ttx> smoser: great, thanks
[16:21] <smoser> (note the ari-* stuff there)
[16:21] <ttx> mathiaz: work items to postpone
[16:21] <ttx> mathiaz: there were at least two items that you should postpone if you couldn't complete them by freeze time
[16:22] <ttx> if you didn't, please mark them POSTPONED /and/ add new TODO ones for final if appropriate
[16:22] <ruben23> hi
[16:22] <mathiaz> ttx: will do
[16:22] <ttx> mathiaz: next is bug 551544
[16:23] <ttx> that sounds *bad*
[16:23] <mathiaz> ttx: yes - I'd have to look at the upstart init script
[16:24] <mathiaz> ttx: bug 552786
[16:24] <ttx> does it look like something we should target for beta2 ? i.e. something to work on by next week ?
[16:25] <mathiaz> ttx: hm - I don't consider it as a beta2 blocker
[16:25] <mathiaz> ttx: it should definetely be fixed for final though
[16:25] <ttx> ok
[16:25] <ttx> will target appropriately
[16:25] <mathiaz> ttx: that being said it doesn't mean we should push it back too long
[16:25] <ttx> mathiaz: yes, I think that's something to work on now
[16:25] <mathiaz> ttx: ie working on bugs targeted at final can be done before beta2
[16:25] <ttx> not just a blocker
[16:26] <mathiaz> ttx: agreed - it's not a blocker
[16:26] <mathiaz> ttx: the same way as the nss/ldap bug is not a blocker either
[16:27] <ttx> beta2 targeting has two facets -- the bugs that need to be fixed by the milestone, but also the bug that should get fixed by the milestone
[16:27] <ttx> depending on who targets :)
[16:27] <ttx> mathiaz: last thing (yes, I know I said only 2)
[16:28] <ttx> mathiaz: multi-network status -- I don't think the current status in the beta2 whiteboard is reflecting current situation
[16:28] <ttx> mathiaz: it's unblocked, right ?
[16:29] <mathiaz> ttx: well - I haven't had time to test if the netboot installer now works
[16:29] <mathiaz> ttx: you've reported it was able to detect block devices now
[16:29] <ruben23> guys, do i need to run fsck..? manually to repair a corrupted LVM...
[16:29] <mathiaz> ttx: but the wrong one
[16:30] <ttx> let me check that again with todays status
[16:30]  * ttx fires up magic
[16:31] <ttx> mathiaz: please make sure that status is up-to-date on your specs by EOD so that I get the right info for release meeting tomorrow
[16:31] <mathiaz> ttx: ok
[16:32] <ttx> mathiaz: still seems to pick up local HDD as sdb instead of sda
[16:32] <mathiaz> ttx: ok - I'd have to test it on the hardware DC
[16:32] <ttx> I tested ISO today and it worked alright
[16:32] <mathiaz> ttx: the netboot installer may be the problem
[16:32] <ttx> if you confirm it, please file bug
[16:33]  * ttx checks if there is already one
[16:35] <ttx> doesn't seem to be one
[16:38] <that0n3guy> hey all, I'm on a vps and usually run at about 380m of ram used... but about 30 minutes ago, its been easily over 480m (100mb difference) how can I look and see where its all going?
[16:39] <that0n3guy> top isnt much use, everything it shows is showing %0 mem usage
[16:40] <Oxymoron> Could someone explain to me whats wrong with this line : LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so? Apache2 says its invalid syntax? :S
[16:41] <cbeebie> If I install ubuntu server with automatic updates turned off, what's the proper way to turn them or (or off ) at a later stage?
[16:42] <sherr> that0n3guy: ps / free : man ps (e.g. ps axl)
[16:42] <cbeebie> that0n3guy: top is great! Maybe you have nothing that's using more then 1% of the memory?
[16:44] <that0n3guy> cbeebie: yeah, so why is 100mg of free ram gone?  I had to add more ram to my vps just for it to ever run...
[16:44] <that0n3guy> what kinda of things cause that?
[16:45] <that0n3guy> i've got 194mb cached...  that seems high to me but maybe not
[16:46] <cbeebie> that0n3guy: Linux is pretty aggressive about using memory that would otherwise be free for caching and buffering
[16:46] <sherr> Oxymoron: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_so.html#loadmodule
[16:46] <sherr> maybe : relative path and module name? See docs
[16:48] <that0n3guy> I gotcha so the 100mb that was all of a sudden used might be it just is caching more b/c I added more to the syste
[16:48] <that0n3guy> m
[16:56] <Oxymoron> sherr: i got this error when trying to start apache2:
[16:56] <Oxymoron> apache2: Syntax error on line 185 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[16:56] <Oxymoron> oxymoron@o
[16:56] <Oxymoron> libphp5.so is in there
[16:57] <Oxymoron> sherr: I guess the name of libphp5.so should be mod_php5.so instead?
[17:19] <ruben23> hi,what happened is during boot up it force scanned the vol001 then found inconsistency then it says- to do manually repir fsck.
[17:31] <mathiaz> zul: do you have daily-build of puppet?
[17:32] <zul> mathiaz: yeah the latest is being pushed out now
[17:32] <mathiaz> zul: where?
[17:33] <zul> mathiaz: the script is being run on my machine and it will uploaded to a ppa but I can force it if you want
[17:33] <RoyK> wouldn't it be nice if you came home and your girlfriend pulled this at you? http://pharmama.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/fakesstest.jpg
[17:33] <mathiaz> zul: and where is the puppet package published?
[17:33] <mathiaz> zul: in which PPA?
[17:33] <zul> someone should read my blog more often ;)
[17:34] <zul> check on ~ubuntu-server-edgers
[17:37] <odin2> bogeyd6, thank you very much for your help - it still doesn't work yet, but at least I have hope and an idea where to go from here and that is much more than when I came in. thx again!
[17:37] <zul> mathiaz: i just pushed the latest puppet git to the ppa
[17:42] <gamla_kossan> hi guys, thought I should ask in here: does the ubuntu 9.10 live cd support ntfs?
[17:45] <ScottK> Ubuntu Server doesn't have a live CD
[17:45] <ruben23> hi
[17:46] <gamla_kossan> ScottK: true, but getting an intelligent answer in #ubuntu is.. well, a bit unprobable :/
[17:47] <ScottK> gamla_kossan: That doesn't make it on topic for this channel.
[17:47] <gamla_kossan> ScottK: well, if you're gonna hardline about it, nevermind. have a nice life etc.
[17:49] <jcastro> ScottK: fascist!
[17:49] <jcastro> :)
[17:49] <ScottK> Yeah, the problem is if you answer one, then we get overrun with others.
[17:50] <ScottK> I have kids.  I know exactly how this works, "But Daaaaaaad, last time you ...."
[17:50] <odin2> :)
[18:11] <mathiaz> zul: smoser: is /dev/xconsole used on EC2?
[18:11] <zul> mathiaz: I dont think so
[18:13] <smoser> mathiaz, yeah, i think thats gone now
[18:13] <smoser> from the guest kernel
[18:15] <smoser> mathiaz, at least:
[18:15] <smoser> $ ls /dev/xconsole
[18:15] <smoser> ls: cannot access /dev/xconsole: No such file or directory
[18:15] <smoser> thats in a karmic guest
[18:42] <RobH> Is this the proper channel to ask for assistance with setting up a cloud controller & node controller to run virtual instances?
[18:45] <stickystyle> I wanted to test out the JeOS install in 10.04, when I press F4 to bring up the install modes menu and select "Minimal install virtual machine" and press enter, am I supposed to get some kind of feedback that it accepted my selection?
[18:47] <jeffesquivel> hi, has anyone here used ubuntu-server to create a webdav share?
[18:49] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, ping
[19:04] <alvin> RobH: More or less. You have ubuntu-virt for that.
[19:04] <RobH> ahh, will ask there, thank you
[19:08] <Davexor> Greetings, I have a (somewhat) simple question
[19:09] <Davexor> I am attempting to set up a home server with Web and Media etc.  My issue is that i am not all that Command-line fu.  Would it be a better idea to run it off of a desktop version of ubuntu? Or to install a desktop core on the server edition?
[19:10] <ScottK> It doesn't make a significant difference.
[19:11] <Davexor> Ok, then on to my second question, How would i install a GUI on my server install?
[19:12] <ScottK> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop.  Anything that happens after that you need to ask in #ubuntu.
[19:12] <Davexor> Rock on.  thank you
[19:43] <ruben23> hi guys i have an existing tftp server on my linux server, with an ubuntu-image, how do i add up windows image on it like win 7 so i can install windows 7 on network..and make it worked..
[21:29] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, howdy!!
[21:29] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: howdy ;-)
[21:29] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, how's it going?
[21:29] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hacking on libvirt ;-)
[21:30] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, wish I had the knowledge to do that too :)
[21:30] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: heh, just takes time and a willingness to learn
[21:32] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, i do meet the requirements lol though right now im cvrazy with last too weeks of school so I'll ping you about that later. Anyways... I wanted to ask you if you've come to a decision regarding how to obtain ubuntu+1 in testdrive?
[21:35] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i had a few ideas, one i liked better than others
[21:36] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: would you do this ...
[21:36] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: would you open a bug in Launchpad about this
[21:36] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: mark it High/Triaged
[21:36] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: assign it to me
[21:36] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: and let's discuss it there
[21:36] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i can't chat too much right now, but i'll email it to that bug
[21:37] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: also, others might chime in with better ideas
[21:37] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, will do then
[21:37] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: thanks dude
[21:37] <RoAkSoAx> np ;)
[21:37] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: sorry about the busy schedule
[21:37] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: things should slow down soon ;-)
[21:38] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, its ok... i'm busy with school anyways for this next two weeks
[21:39] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, btw I've created two blueprints for the modularization and the Front-end for the gsoc and I guess you'll have to add mi to the testdrive group to be able to make uploads to testdrive-gtk trunk
[21:39] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: right, sounds good
[21:40] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: remind me of your LP id
[21:40] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, ~andreserl
[21:42] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: https://edge.launchpad.net/~testdrive-gtk
[21:42] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: you're in ;-)
[21:42] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, i know it is a pain to have different nick, lp id, and stuff :P
[21:42] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, awesome thanks :)
[21:42] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: heh, hard to remember at first
[21:43] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: testdrive-gtk now owns https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~testdrive-gtk/testdrive-gtk/trunk
[21:43] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: the code in there right now was mostly written by rickspencer as a quick rough draft
[21:44] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: you're welcome to start from that, or scratch
[21:44] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, i've already started from scratch, though if i knew how to handle the ubuntu+1 issue now it would be something i wouldn't hvew to worry about in the future because Im using the same code to create the list of iso's for the pygtk itnerface
[21:45] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: cool, i'll get that for you tonight, then, if it's blocking you ;-)
[21:45] <Xpistos|work> is there a way to get my server to mail me the logs that come up in /var/mail/USER
[21:46] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, i know that the code for the ISO list creation should be independent from the testdrive common code, so if I new how are we gonna handle the ubuntu+1 issue now, that would allow me to actually separate the code now and make it independent.
[21:50] <kirkland> jdstrand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/407717/
[21:52] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, btw... what I was thinking is keep the config for ubuntu+1 in the config file but it can be loaded differently from the other part of the config
[21:52] <RoAkSoAx> for example [testdrive-globals]
[21:52] <RoAkSoAx> and [testdrive-iso-list]
[21:52] <RoAkSoAx> and I can work with that in the meanwhile
[21:56] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay, so here's the basic implementation
[21:57] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: we should cache the "development" release somewhere, like /var/cache/testdrive/ubuntu-development
[21:57] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: basically, that wget from cdimage would write the code name into there
[21:57] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: and cache it for some amount of time (a day, at least)
[21:58] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: and only do the wget to update that cache when it's expired
[21:58] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: ideally, there should be some other way to get this information
[21:58] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: perhaps ask mvo in ubuntu-devel at some point
[21:59] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: in the config file, we would get the current dev code name from that cache file
[22:01] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, ok sounds like a plan then
[22:01] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i need to get this in tonight
[22:01] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: get that bug filed and assigned to me ;-)
[22:02] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, ok will do :)
[22:08] <Nattgew> I have a PHP server that's been working fine for a long time. It was acting weird today so I restarted it, but when I try to access the pages, they download and don't display.
[22:08] <Nattgew> I've poked around a bit but I'm not sure what's going on.
[22:09] <sherr> Nattgew: Could there have been a server s/w update that's been activated by the reboot?
[22:10] <sherr> Maybe check what's been installed recently - /var/log/apt /var/log/aptitude* etc.
[22:10] <sherr> Plus the apache logs of course.
[22:11] <Nattgew> I checked those logs, mysql updated recently but it's been a long time since anything else happened
[22:14] <Nattgew> I'm not sure what I'm looking for, the packages seem to be installed and the php module is loading
[22:19] <sherr> Apache log - access and error for the page?
[22:20] <sherr> What does "acting weird" mean? Do you think it is related? Was it working just before reboot?
[22:22] <Nattgew> I had a shell script I was running, and it had frozen and would not run again. It was also doing the same thing with the webpages.
[22:23] <Nattgew> When I try to go to the page, it spits out 5 of these
[22:23] <Nattgew> <IP_ADDRESS> - - [01/Apr/2010:16:21:11 -0500] "OPTIONS * HTTP/1.0" 200 - "-" "Apache/2.2.11 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.6-3ubuntu4.5 with Suhosin-Patch (internal dummy connection)"
[22:23] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, btw I'm also gonna be trying to create a resource agent to setup HighAvailability for some of the Cloud Controllers, so I'll be poking you about the kvm related stuff
[22:25] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: cool
[22:27] <Nattgew> hmm, if I go to the pages directly, it works now, but my bookmarks that worked before pointing to http://server/ try to download
[22:28] <Xodiac13> i need help on getting my server back up and running i did a distro upgrade and now im getting a mount filesystem error
[22:30] <Xodiac13> i need help on getting my server back up and running i did a distro upgrade and now im getting a mount filesystem error
[22:32] <Xodiac13> i need help on getting my server back up and running i did a distro upgrade and now im getting a mount filesystem error
[22:34] <Nattgew> Xodiac13 do you mean that it's not booting?
[22:34] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, btw I reported the bug in testdrive but I cannot change the status nor importance of it, so I just set it to confirmed and assigned it to you
[22:35] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: url?
[22:35] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, https://bugs.launchpad.net/testdrive/+bug/553616
[22:35] <Xodiac13> Nattgew: i did a distro upgrade and everything went fine i rebooted and now when it goes into grub counts down then tries to boot i get a general mount filesystem error
[22:36] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: got it, thanks
[22:37] <RoAkSoAx> np ;)
[22:37] <Nattgew> Xodiac13 can you boot a CD to repair it?
[22:38] <Xodiac13> Nattgew can i use the ubuntu server 8.04 even though i upgraded to ubuntu server 9.10
[22:38] <Nattgew> that should be fine
[22:38] <Xodiac13> when i load the cd what am i looking for
[22:38] <airells> amanda , bacula or what to backup  ?
[22:39] <Xodiac13> i dont want to mess anything up
[22:39] <Nattgew> what options does the server CD give you?
[22:40] <qman__> you probably want to "repair a broken system", drop to a root shell, and manually fix the problem
[22:41] <Xodiac13> crap i lost my server cd do you think if i were to get the ubuntu server 9.10 it will revover it still
[22:41] <qman__> likely a grub issue
[22:41] <qman__> you can do it with any live CD, doesn't even really need to be ubuntu
[22:42] <Xodiac13> qman__ so i can use my ubuntu desktop 9.10 to try and fix it
[22:42] <Xodiac13> what am i looking for
[22:42] <qman__> you will want to mount your local filesystem, make sure /etc/fstab is right
[22:43] <Xodiac13> qman__ okay
[22:43] <qman__> then run grub, make sure the system.map is right, and reinstall it to the mbr
[22:43] <Xodiac13> qman__ lol is there a recovery option
[22:44] <sherr> Xodiac13: Can you boot an old kernel i.e. ESC/Shift at boot to get grub menu / try different kernel?
[22:44] <Xodiac13> sherr: okay when i do that and it works will i be able to have it boot that kernal
[22:45] <sherr> If you have a kernel that still boots, you can make that the default to use (if that's what you mean)
[22:46] <Xodiac13> yes
[22:46] <Xodiac13> sherr none of the older kernals worke
[22:46] <Xodiac13> worked*
[22:47] <Xodiac13> sherr i am downloading the ubuntu server 9.10 after that were do i go from there
[22:47] <Xodiac13> sherr or if there is a way to still save the folder and all the files that would be a lot better
[22:47] <sherr> Your files/dirs are almost certainly still on the disk fine
[22:47] <sherr> Boot a CDROM (maybe live) and backup if you want
[22:48] <sherr> Or boot "rescue mode" and try fixing
[22:48] <Xodiac13> sherr when i boot rescue mode is it going to try to fix it automatically
[22:49] <sherr> No, you will have to try and fix it. Hard to say what the problem is.
[22:50] <sherr> IRC is difficult for this type of support sometimes. Lots of good web guides e.g.
[22:50] <sherr> https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/installation-guide/i386/rescue.html
[22:50] <sherr> 9.10 better maybe : https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/installation-guide/i386/rescue.html
[22:50] <sherr> and the forums.
[22:51] <Xodiac13> sherr okay i will take a look
[22:52] <sherr> Good luck anyway :-)
[22:53] <Xodiac13> sherr thank you
[22:55] <RoyK> I just hope the grub2 problems gets fixed soon
[22:55] <RoyK> I have a truckload of servers that wants a new version and not being able to boot them properly is a bitch
[22:57] <Xodiac13> RoyK i hope i can fix my server lol i really need it working right now
[22:58]  * RoyK offers Xodiac13 to transfer $10k to his account
[22:59] <Xodiac13> lol yeah wooot
[22:59] <RoyK> a windows XP CD can do wonders
[23:00] <Xodiac13> RoyK no no no no no lol heck no i refuse to have a server with windows xp i only have windows on 2 computers one for gaming and the other because the ati radeon video card isnt supported anymore its a legacy card
[23:02]  * RoyK hands Xodiac13 an opensolaris dvd
[23:02] <Xodiac13> RoyK not familiar with opensolaris
[23:03] <RoyK> I didn't like it much until I discovered zfs and that made me move storage over to opensolaris
[23:04] <RoyK> it somehow cancels the need for hardward raid, making it much better through software
[23:04] <RoyK> caching with SSDs is nice
[23:06] <Xodiac13> heck yeah
[23:06] <Xodiac13> but i am going to wait on getting SSDs because i heard of them breaking the platter spins to fast and breaks
[23:07] <qman__> I don't know about opensolaris, never used it, but I have used sun solaris
[23:07] <qman__> it may have some nice features but the userland is a total bear
[23:07] <RoyK> qman__: userland in solaris 10 is old
[23:07] <qman__> it's like working on a unix box straight out of the 80s
[23:09] <RoyK> userland in opensolaris is better, but not really good
[23:09] <RoyK> at least you have stuff like vim
[23:09] <RoyK> and standard setup with sudo
[23:09] <qman__> had to spend a good hour or two getting the gnu userland and basics
[23:09] <qman__> and even then, half the programs were still the old, unfriendly ones
[23:10] <qman__> nice to know opensolaris isn't as bad
[23:10] <RoyK> try opensolaris - it's not that bad
[23:13] <RoyK> it's still old stuff, but the zfs stuff rocks and service management is nice once you get to know it
[23:14] <qman__> I imagine so, the straight solaris stuff had some potential
[23:14] <qman__> but was a total pain since I could never figure out what it was trying to tell me
[23:14] <RoyK> there are some issues, though, like ssh not logging failed logins unless you touch this and that file, because perhaps someone could fill your disk with faulty login messages and ......
[23:15] <RoyK> there's a lot of old shit with (open)solaris
[23:15] <qman__> I actually encountered a solaris box with a full disk
[23:15] <qman__> you really can't do anything
[23:15] <qman__> it was an old sparc with a 20GB disk in it
[23:16] <qman__> it won't let you stop services or delete files
[23:16] <qman__> because apparently it has to log that action before it performs it, or something
[23:16] <qman__> and couldn't, because there was no free disk space
[23:19] <RoyK> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5841
[23:41] <KSid> Hi guys
[23:41] <KSid> Is it possible to remove a package via aptitude while leaving all dependant apps in place?
[23:41] <KSid> I want to upgrade openssl from source so want to replace the existing install
[23:50] <ryanakca> For Lucid+1, would it be feasible for Ubuntu to maintain a tripwire database?
[23:51] <mathiaz> kirkland: hi!
[23:51] <kirkland> mathiaz: hiya
[23:51] <mathiaz> kirkland: how big is your local amd64 mirror?
[23:51] <kirkland> mathiaz: i can tell you how big the whole i386+amd64 mirror is
[23:51] <KSid> Any suggestions about removing a package and leaving broken packages via aptitude?
[23:52] <kirkland> mathiaz: du churning...
[23:52] <kirkland> mathiaz: 325G
[23:52] <ryanakca> (and keep it up to date with the MD5SUMS of the files in packages)
[23:52] <kirkland> mathiaz: removing i386 might drop that a bit
[23:52] <mathiaz> kirkland: hm ok - so a 128GB SSD drive isn't enough to host all of the amd64 archive
[23:53] <kirkland> mathiaz: prolly not
[23:53] <mathiaz> kirkland: great - thanks
[23:53] <kirkland> mathiaz: you should just pick up a little usb powered external drive
[23:53] <kirkland> mathiaz: 500G
[23:53] <kirkland> mathiaz: and keep that in your bag
[23:53] <mathiaz> kirkland: I already have one
[23:53] <kirkland> mathiaz: then you're set ;-)
[23:53] <mathiaz> kirkland: but not 500 Gb :/
[23:54] <mathiaz> kirkland: how big is main only?
[23:55] <kirkland> mathiaz: $ du -sh pool/main/
[23:55] <kirkland> 125G    pool/main/
[23:55] <kirkland> mathiaz: you could probably have just amd64 of main
[23:55] <lifeless> oh mirrors
[23:55] <kirkland> mathiaz: and you'll need _all
[23:55] <lifeless> jpds: ^ :> if you're still up
[23:56] <lifeless> something I was thinking of was having separate mirror sets for amd64/i386 etc
[23:56] <lifeless> with the sources files shared between them
[23:56] <lifeless> or even a dedicated sources set
[23:56] <jpds> lifeless: I only have stats for full archive mirrors...
[23:57] <jpds> Oh wait.
[23:58] <jpds> lifeless: Interesting.
[23:59] <lifeless> yes


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[01:25] <rick_h_> don't let them stay up so late. It's a school night!
[01:26] <jsivak> Caitlin had a x-country race + picnic.. didn't get home until 7:00
[01:26] <rick_h_> perfect, just in time to pack her off to the bath with mom and leave for CHC hah!
[01:26] <jsivak> so does everyone feel more cultured and 'upper class' now that you're at Starbucks? :P
[01:27] <rick_h_> no, we wish we had more space
[01:27] <rick_h_> but I do love the vanilla soy lattes here a lot more
[01:27] <jsivak> Oh great. 'when' I get back to CHC I'll start getting fatter too.
[01:28] <rick_h_> it's only for 3weeks
[01:28] <rick_h_> then we'll be at peets
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[01:29] <jsivak> ah, cool
[01:31] <cmaloney> jsivak: I feel like I need to put on skinny jeans and grow a goatee
[01:31] <cmaloney> that's going to be a problem on several counts.
[01:33] <rick_h_> widox: https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/blob/develop/bookie/views/api.py#L48
[01:33] <rick_h_> widox: https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/blob/develop/bookie/routes.py#L91
[01:53] <jsivak> cmaloney: heh
[11:36] <cmaloney> Good morning
[11:47] <rick_h_> grumble
[11:59] <cmaloney> Well, I get to play in the LDAP mines.
[12:06] <brousch> Did they give you a light helmet and a pick?
[12:08] <cmaloney> More like a pith helmet, a machete, and God's blessing
[12:08] <rick_h_> hah
[12:08] <rick_h_> cmaloney: did you see our podcast mention tweet?
[12:08] <cmaloney> Yeah, I did
[12:08] <rick_h_> I'm going to have to start hitting the bottle early today after that one
[12:09] <cmaloney> the one with the baldness ad?
[12:09] <rick_h_> yea, just RT'd it
[12:09] <rick_h_> Erica is cracking up this morning
[12:11] <cmaloney> heh
[12:18] <brousch> Awesome
[12:44] <brousch> What do you think when you see this? #GRBJ40under40!
[12:45] <cmaloney> Meijer sale gone horribly wrong?
[12:46] <rick_h_> Great jobs for under 40 yr olds
[12:46] <rick_h_> was my first pass
[12:46] <cmaloney> Grand Rapids BJs 40 folks under 40
[12:46] <rick_h_> BJs?
[12:46]  * rick_h_ walks slowly away
[12:46] <cmaloney> BJers
[12:47] <cmaloney> brousch: standardizing hash tags are stupid
[12:49] <brousch> Grand Rapids Business Journal
[12:49] <cmaloney> And the 40 under 40?
[12:49] <brousch> 40 people under 40 to "watch"
[12:50] <cmaloney> So this was not your doing?
[12:50] <brousch> GR BJ meets at the Goei Center, BTW
[12:50] <brousch> OH hell no
[12:50] <brousch> I am incapable of taking them seriously
[12:50] <cmaloney> You know someone over there is snickering their ass off right now
[14:14] <ColonelPanic001> I am also interested in where to get 40 great BJs for under $40
[14:14] <ColonelPanic001> I have to pay attention to twitter now
[16:44] <jcastro> cmaloney, that interview with lifeson is awesome
[16:44] <jcastro> Tai Shan or whatever
[16:44] <jcastro> such a horrible song
[16:47] <cmaloney> I'm surprised Rivendell doesn't get blasted more for being awful
[16:47] <cmaloney> that's one of the few songs I have to skip
[16:47] <jcastro> well
[16:47] <cmaloney> I love Tai Shan though
[16:48] <jcastro> tbh that entire album just gets the whole gutter
[16:48] <jcastro> I am not a Tai Shan fan, as I say this as my favorite album too
[16:48] <cmaloney> It's not one that holds up, unfortunately
[16:48] <cmaloney> the drum effects sound late-80s
[16:49] <cmaloney> But it's forgivable
[16:49] <cmaloney> Rivendell is just dreadful
[16:49] <jcastro> cinderella man is pretty horrible
[16:49] <jcastro> looking at my songlist now
[16:49] <cmaloney> lyrically
[16:50] <jcastro> oh, rivendell is on fly by night, I thought it was on caress of steel
[16:50] <cmaloney> Nope
[16:50] <cmaloney> It's the speedbump to an otherwise great album
[16:50] <jcastro> a list of underrated songs would be better
[16:52] <cmaloney> Funny thing is I'd put Test for Echo as one of my least favorite albums
[16:52] <cmaloney> but yet it has 5-6 awesome songs on it
[16:52] <cmaloney> but that was the album that I started getting pretty tired of the Presto-Counterparts era.
[17:47] <greg-g> I'm sure it's making the rounds, which means by now you've both seen it and haven't done anything other than maybe retweet it, but here's something for ya: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day
[17:53] <cmaloney> Yeah that's been making the rounds
[17:53] <cmaloney> Funny how history can paint two separate pictures of the same events
[17:55] <greg-g> there's a RATM song about this :)
[18:00] <cmaloney> Why does this not surprise me
[18:00] <cmaloney> RATM really annoyed me, though, so I didn't pursue any of their albums
[18:01] <cmaloney> Funny enough, probably for the same things in Consolidated albums, but I have several of those albums
[18:04] <mathomastech> I think I just found a bug in Chrome. I have a URL hardcoded in one of my html documents. The URL has an &. So as usual, I replace it with &. That usually works just fine. However, this time Firefox is handling it correctly, but chrome is shifting the & over to the left 1 char, and throwing off the URL. Anyone ever see this before?
[18:05] <mathomastech> Here is the website I am talking about. Click "Link to Project" on the left side.
[18:05] <mathomastech> http://mathomaste.ch/Projects/BudgetTemplate.html
[18:08] <rick_h_> why are you escaping it to &?
[18:08] <mathomastech> rick_h_: Only way I know of. Is there a better/preferred way?
[18:08] <rick_h_> just leave it as &
[18:08] <rick_h_> it's fine
[18:09] <rick_h_> it's inside of a tag attr
[18:09]  * rick_h_ is confused
[18:09] <mathomastech> It's a markdown file. Markdown handles & different
[18:09] <mathomastech> differently
[18:09] <rick_h_> ah, well then it's your markdown parsers fault
[18:09] <mathomastech> Why would it parse it differently for chrome than it would for firefox?
[18:09] <rick_h_> because they use different rendering engines and such?
[18:10] <mathomastech> Link to file on github: https://github.com/mathomastech/mathomastech.github.io/blob/master/Projects/BudgetTemplate.markdown
[18:10] <rick_h_> firefox/chrome aren't diong the markdown conversion or anything. They're just reading the html
[18:10] <rick_h_> the html says that the link is https://drive.google.com/templates?view=public&authorId=01784685571608047934
[18:10] <rick_h_> that url means that you have the query string args of
[18:10] <rick_h_> view=public
[18:10] <rick_h_> amp;authorId = 0178...
[18:11] <rick_h_> & is a reserved thing in urls, you can't & inside of one and expect it to work
[18:14] <mathomastech> So, I am really confused now. I just inspected the HTML, and it doesn't have & in either browser. Of course, I would expect it not to, because the markdown parser should fix it to &. That being said, it's now working on both chrome and firefox, though I didn't change anything.
[18:14] <mathomastech> Magic perhaps?
[18:15] <rick_h_> mathomastech: inspect it and then hit "edit as html" in chrome
[18:16] <rick_h_> mathomastech: the chrome dev tools are 'converting' the & for you
[18:17] <mathomastech> Oh, I see it now. Hmm. So the parser is not fixing it then, even though it requires & to escape from the built in meaning of &.
[18:20] <rick_h_> right, you're fighting markdown -> html issues
[18:22] <rick_h_> jcastro: well deployed 10 at once without bringing down my desktop woot! :)
[18:27] <mathomastech> I think it was a chrome caching issue though originally. I had played around with the position of the & when I first noticed it, and I think it was still holding onto an old version.
[18:46] <brousch> rick_h_: You see this? https://pypi.python.org/pypi/csscompressor
[18:46] <rick_h_> sure
[18:47] <rick_h_> brousch: but I end up just using the minify tool in sass/etc these days
[19:05] <waf> ampersands in URLs are always a source of confusion see http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/appendix/notes.html#h-B.2.2
[19:06] <waf> but basically disregard that, and do what rick_h_ says.
[19:09] <cmaloney> That's just good advice all-around
[20:22] <jrwren> i made a career of it
[23:24] <tony-smlr>  SMLR is Live!  Video: http://www.youtube.com/embed/5H63v787gE8  Audio stream: http://live.smlr.us:8000/streaming
[23:40] <jrwren> south michigan linux radio?


[00:11] <jeamesv> Hi. I am having an issue removing "cat:" from my devices. I don't know what the "cat:" is/means. Any help thanks!
[05:24] <Mirv> morning
[07:46] <dholbach> good morning
[09:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Have A Bad Day Day! :-D
[10:16] <zsombi> nik90_: pingorius
[10:25] <nik90_> zsombi: pong (from phone)
[10:29] <zsombi> nik90_: I still cannot launch your app in Utopic desktop
[10:30] <zsombi> nik90_: however I made a small test app
[10:31] <zsombi> nik90_: and don't bother with the app launching, I just realized I have Qt 5.3.2
[10:31] <zsombi> nik90_: so most probably that's the issue
[10:32] <zsombi> nik90_: so, question: do you remember what backend were you using when you got the disabling problem? EDS or memory?
[10:32] <zsombi> nik90_: I found one issue with the latest, but still doesn't disable the alarms, will keep checking.
[10:34] <nik90_> Ah
[10:34] <nik90_> zsombi: I tried the eds backend
[10:35] <nik90_> I tried the memory back end as well if I vaugely remember...at the end we concluded that the clock app switch code needs to be fixed
[10:35] <nik90_> n zsombi the alarm not being disabled is a regression on the phone at the moment
[10:36] <nik90_> zsombi: indicator date time isn't patched yet to recognise the special tag we decided to use.
[10:37] <zsombi> nik90_: the alarm disabling seem to have issues still, and not the ones I have tests for...
[10:38] <zsombi> nik90_: but the regression you mean the branch I gave you, right?
[10:38] <zsombi> nik90_: or is a different one?
[10:38] <nik90_> zsombi: no it is present in the rtm images now and is a different issue.
[10:39] <nik90_> zsombi: although your branch also had trouble disabling alarms when we last checked
[10:39] <zsombi> nik90_: but not ion teh alarm API, right?
[10:39] <nik90_> So 2 separate issues
[10:40] <zsombi> nik90_: the branch I gave you, the one I'm working now has, I know, I am fixing that
[10:40] <nik90_> Okay
[11:21] <beuno> dholbach, hi!
[11:21] <dholbach> hey beuno
[11:21] <dholbach> how's life over there?
[11:21] <beuno> dholbach, I finished filling the pool with water yesterday, so not too bad I guess
[11:21] <beuno> you?
[11:22] <dholbach> nice :)
[11:22] <dholbach> doing well, thanks
[11:22] <beuno> dholbach, I've been seeing more and more people take to mailing lists and g+ as they hit some review scripts failures
[11:23] <beuno> and I see that a lot of failing tests don't have askubuntu links on them
[11:23] <beuno> I guess because we continue to grow tests  :)
[11:23] <beuno> dholbach, do you think you could sneak in some time to fill that out a bit more?
[11:24] <dholbach> beuno, I'll have a chat with the guys
[11:24] <beuno> \o/
[11:24] <beuno> thank you
[12:46] <ahayzen> Hi, so over the past few boot on my mako i've noticed that either i don't get the 'Adjust brightness automatically' option in the power indicator or i have half of the scopes missing, has anyone else seen this behaviour (i always seem to get one working but not the other)?
[12:55] <dholbach> dpm, mhall119: do you get "Error establishing a database connection" too on developer.u.c?
[12:55] <dholbach> ah no... seems it was just intermittent
[12:57] <dholbach> dpm, mhall119: do you know what http://developer.ubuntu.com/web-app-tutorial/ was supposed to be about?
[13:19] <dpm> dholbach, it's the web apps tutorial. Hm, it seems it appears in the site's header now
[13:19] <dpm> let me see if I can fix it
[13:21] <dholbach> dpm, ok... I just noticed the page because I replaced "128x128" with "256x256" (for icons) everywhere (as that's what myapps uses now)
[13:23] <dpm> dholbach, ok, fixed, thanks for the heads up!
[13:23] <dholbach> ok cool
[14:14] <zsombi> nik90_: bingo!!! :)
[14:15] <nik90_> zsombi: you solved the issue?
[14:15] <zsombi> nik90_: I found the problem...
[14:16] <nik90_> cool
[14:17] <zsombi> nik90_: in your app, you use model.enabled = checked
[14:17] <zsombi> nik90_: then mode.save()
[14:17] <zsombi> nik90_: the problem is that you/I used model
[14:17] <zsombi> nik90_: that will fetch the unmodified model data!
[14:17] <nik90_> zsombi: mode.save() or model.save()
[14:18] <zsombi> nik90_: each time you're trying to dereference model, the QAbstractItemModel will call the model to get the role...
[14:18] <zsombi> nik90_: model, sorry
[14:19] <zsombi> nik90_: so, that role fetch will always return you the unmodified data, so after model.enabled = false, you will still have print(model.enabled) printing true!
[14:20] <zsombi> nik90_: solution: var alarmData = model
[14:20] <nik90_> ah ok
[14:20] <zsombi> nik90_: and use alarmData whenever you wanna change something on the alarm
[14:20] <zsombi> nik90_: you must do this wherever you have changes on the "model" role!
[14:21] <zsombi> nik90_: mea culpa, I should have known this when I wrote the sample app...
[14:21] <nik90_> zsombi: do I need your sdk branch to land before doing this change?
[14:22] <zsombi> nik90_: nope, you can do it on your own, before my branch(es) land
[14:22] <nik90_> ack
[14:22] <zsombi> nik90_: I thought these roles are handled like the context properties, but no, they are not...
[14:23] <zsombi> nik90_: so each time you use a model role name in your ListView or other model based lists, those will land in QAbstractItemModel::data() calls!
[14:24] <zsombi> nik90_: but noone sais that anywhere in the docs...
[14:24] <nik90_> ok
[14:25] <nik90_> zsombi: ok, so where I need to *get* data I use model.propertyName ...and when I want to change the data, then I do var alarmData = model and then alarmData.enabled = true/false or whatever
[14:25] <nik90_> s/where/whenever
[14:25] <zsombi> nik90_: right
[14:26] <zsombi> nik90_: also alarmData.save()!!!
[14:26] <nik90_> yeah
[14:29] <nik90_> zsombi: after going through my alarm list delegate file, the only change I had to do was http://paste.ubuntu.com/9097197/. There was no other place where I did model.propertyName = someValue.
[14:29] <zsombi> nik90_: yes, but that was enough to not to disable the alarm :)
[14:30] <nik90_> zsombi: :)
[14:34] <zsombi> kalikiana: nik90_: ok, https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/alarm-data-adaptation/+merge/237611 is up to date now
[14:35] <zsombi> kalikiana: as you were reviewing all previous alarm code, would you mind looking at? thx!!
[14:37] <nik90_> zsombi: looking at your sample app, the switch code looks much simpler. For clock, we had to worry about looping issues and so on and as a result looks like http://paste.ubuntu.com/9097288/. Can I simplify it?
[14:38] <zsombi> nik90_: yes, you can, and perhaps the problem there was the same model role issue...
[14:38] <zsombi> nik90_: hope the simplified will work
[14:38] <zsombi> nik90_: can you help me? can you reproduce this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1336806
[14:38] <nik90_> sure
[14:39] <kalikiana> zsombi: aye
[14:40] <zsombi> kalikiana: thx, pretty big one, almost same amount of code goes out as comes in :D
[14:40] <nik90_> zsombi: I cannot reproduce the crash on my 14.10 lxc container. I am using the memory manager by default.
[14:40] <zsombi> kalikiana: but I had to do this in order to support properly the model actions
[14:41] <zsombi> nik90_: I was afraid to hear that :)
[14:41] <zsombi> nik90_: thx!!!
[14:42] <nik90_> zsombi: do you remember when mzanetti fixed the alarm crashes with a simple fix. May be this bug was reported *before* that fix landed?
[14:42] <zsombi> nik90_: aaah, indeed, as I don't have the clear() func anymore :D
[14:42] <nik90_> zsombi: :) So i get the bug is invalid
[14:42] <nik90_> s/get/guess
[14:43] <zsombi> nik90_: yep, smells like
[14:52] <nik90_> zsombi: can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/fix-model-usage/+merge/242221
[14:53] <nik90_> zsombi: I made the usage of model consistent in alarm delegate and fixed the above issue
[14:54] <zsombi> nik90_: the date, message, type and others were good as they were, as those are also roles, model is a role which gives access to the slots/ivokables of the Alarm type, so no need to get those changed
[14:55] <nik90_> zsombi: oh yes,
[14:57] <nik90_> zsombi: reverted
[14:57] <nik90_> zsombi: why do we refer to enabled as model.enabled though? It is not a slot/invokable
[14:58] <zsombi> nik90_: good question :)
[14:58] <zsombi> nik90_: oh, yes, because teh CheckBox also has enabled property
[14:58] <zsombi> nik90_: so enabled would use that
[14:58] <nik90_> ah...that makes sense
[15:01] <zsombi> nik90_: MR looks good :)
[15:01] <nik90_> zsombi: can you approve. I can then top-approve when I get the permission to land this in trunk.
[15:02] <zsombi> nik90_: done :)
[15:02] <nik90_> zsombi: cool, thnx. I will look into the switch code simplification tonight
[15:05]  * zsombi eod
[15:36] <dholbach> beuno, do we know what the most failing tests are? :)
[15:36]  * dholbach crosses fingers and hopes we store that in the database somewhere
[15:40] <dholbach> oops
[15:40] <dholbach> beuno, did you respond? :)
[15:42] <popey> he didnt dholbach
[15:42] <dholbach> ok, thanks
 When that holbach comes back, tell him I owe him beer
[15:42] <popey> He may or may not have said that.
[15:42] <popey> :D
[15:43]  * dholbach hugs popey
[15:55] <beuno> dholbach, I always owe you a beer
[15:56] <beuno> dholbach, the most common complains come from the ones that have "manual review"
[15:56] <beuno> and people don't understand why or what to do
[15:56] <dholbach> right......
[15:57] <dholbach> I was just wondering if we had a list of most common issues in database
[15:57] <beuno> dholbach, we don't currently record that at that level
[15:57] <beuno> sorry
[15:57] <beuno> I'll add that to my list, it'll be useful in the future
[15:57] <dholbach> yes
[15:57]  * dholbach hugs beuno
[16:05] <seb128> nik90_, popey, is that known that the calendar app stopped showing all day events?
[16:06] <seb128> well in the day/week views at least
[16:06] <popey> s/nik90_/mihir/
[16:06] <kalikiana> t1mp: are you still there? I'm  wondering if I'm looking at a ListItem.Standard regression. removing without confirmRemoval doesn't work
[16:07] <seb128> popey, nik90_, mihir, ups, sorry for pinging the wrong people ;-)
[16:07] <mihir> seb128: no issues.
[16:07] <nik90_> seb128: no worries, although when I saw the latest screenshots of calendar app, it was still there
[16:07] <popey> seb128: there's a bunch of in-flight design changes in calendar right now.
[16:08] <seb128> well, I've a patch pilot day today, which is listed in the agenda view
[16:08] <seb128> but not in the calendar
[16:08] <seb128> well, not in the week/day calendar views I mean
[16:08] <seb128> but the event is there, my phone ring as a reminder and it's listed in the agenda view
[16:09] <popey> gotcha
[16:09] <popey> will take a look
[16:09] <seb128> thanks
[16:10] <seb128> seems like it's not know in any case, and that I should open a bug about it ;-)
[16:10] <popey> sure, feel free
[16:10] <popey> ☻
[16:13] <popey> renatu: bfiller: i did a clean install, added google accounts and then installed calendar, then switched on calendar sync in online accounts, but got no sync-monitor popup.. and i see no events
[16:13] <popey> (nothing in calendar, nothing in indicator)
[16:14] <mihir> seb128: sorry i escaped your message without reading previous message.
[16:15] <mihir> seb128: here is new Day View / Weekview (WIP) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mw1_oJdAp4
[16:15] <seb128> mihir, no worry, I opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1394284
[16:15] <mihir> seb128: here is new way for New event (WIP) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMZVKEpGFJY&feature=youtu.be
[16:15] <ahayzen> dpm, ping
[16:15] <bfiller> popey: mind attaching your sync-monitor.log to the previous bug
[16:15] <popey> k
[16:16] <seb128> mihir, nice work there! :-)
[16:16] <mihir> seb128: :) both MP is in WIP as of now will land soon \m/
[16:16] <seb128> :-)
[16:22] <bfiller> popey: if you toggle calendar sync switch does the sync occur then?
[16:23] <popey> bfiller: updated bug 1393433
[16:23] <popey> seb128: feel free to review them ㋛
[16:23] <popey> bfiller: what? switch off and on again?
[16:23] <bfiller> popey: yes
[16:23] <popey> k
[16:23] <bfiller> the calendar sync switch in accounts
[16:24] <popey> still no popup
[16:24] <bfiller> shit
[16:24] <popey> sorry ☹
[16:26] <bfiller> popey, renatu : looks like same errors in the log as last time "Failed to create session" for Calendar sync. Contact sync seemed to work ok, correct?
[16:27] <popey> yes
[16:27] <bfiller> popey: did you switch on contact and calendar sync at the same time after installing the calendar app? or did you switch on contacts sync before installing calendar app?
[16:27] <popey> the latter
[16:28] <popey> i only just installed calendar, then switched on calendar sync
[16:28] <bfiller> ok
[16:28] <popey> but I flashed the phone and turned on contact sync some hours ago
[16:28] <bfiller> trying to repro, without wiping my phone
[16:31] <bfiller> popey: did you launch calendar before switching on the sync setting?
[16:32] <popey> uh, yes.
[16:33] <bfiller> popey: just worked for me doing exact same steps (:
[16:34] <popey> dammit
[16:35] <bfiller> popey: do you have any logs in .cache/syncevolution/*calendar*?
[16:36] <bfiller> popey: if so those would be helpful
[16:36] <popey> yes, i see logs
[16:48] <kalikiana> t1mp: please check this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1394295
[17:53] <dpm> hi ahayzen, sorry for the late pong
[17:54] <ahayzen> dpm, no worries i was going to ask if we needed to switch the development focus of the translations from utopic to remix...i hit the big red button and nothing seems to have broken
[17:54] <ahayzen> ...as we changed our code development focus to remix as well
[17:55] <dpm> ahayzen, yep, looking at the translations page, it looks good. We should start talking of probably renaming the remix branch to trunk at some point, too
[17:56] <ahayzen> dpm, well if you branch lp:music-app it actually branches remix i think it is all ok now?
[17:56] <ahayzen> dpm, the only trace of the word remix left is the series name
[17:56] <dpm> ahayzen, yeah, that works well. I was just thinking of that - to rename both series at some point
[17:57] <ahayzen> maybe although we'll probably be onto the next series soon lol :)
[18:02] <popey> Music Remix, Remix.
[18:03] <ahayzen> popey, Music Restructure is maybe next ;)
[18:04] <ahayzen> popey, but Remix, Remix sounds possible... ;)
[18:07] <dpm> "Music App Greatest Hits III"
[18:07] <ahayzen> +1 lol
[21:05] <ahoneybun> hello all
[22:51] <zmaj> hello anyone online?
[22:53] <akiva-thinkpad> zmaj, yep
[22:53] <akiva-thinkpad> hows it going?
[22:53] <zmaj> nice you?
[22:53] <zmaj> apparently I am an Ubuntu app pioneer :D
[22:53] <akiva-thinkpad> zmaj, wasting time on reddit; save me
[22:53] <akiva-thinkpad> zmaj, ah I am jealous
[22:53] <akiva-thinkpad> nice work
[22:54] <zmaj> I wondered when will they contact me for my t-shirt
[22:55] <akiva-thinkpad> ping popey -  he's in charge of t-shirts (probably)
[22:55] <popey> not me, mhall119
[22:56] <akiva-thinkpad> ah yes; hes really in charge of t-shirts
[22:56] <akiva-thinkpad> its why Canonical hired him. That and he is a good programmer.
[22:58] <zmaj> though .click packaging is a blessing... .deb is seriously complicated.
[22:59] <rpadovani> Discerning Duck is on the store :D
[23:00] <zmaj> nice
[23:04] <zmaj> so,just out of curiosity,what are you guys working on at the moment?I am thinking of either making my own web browser or a 4chan webapp...
[23:11] <zmaj> how would you make a vertical text input field in qml?
[23:16] <rpadovani> zmaj, you mean that every single char is on a new line?
[23:18] <zmaj> yep
[23:19] <zmaj> exacly like that
[23:20] <rpadovani> zmaj, I dunno if it's the better solution, but you can use a TextArea, set autoSize to true and set the width of the textarea to the width of one char
[23:20] <rpadovani> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Components.TextArea
[23:21] <zmaj> thank you
[23:30] <ahoneybun> omg akiva-thinkpad
[23:31]  * ahoneybun pokes mhall119 for his t-shirt as well
[23:31] <zmaj> @rpadovani :thank you for the help,I think i cracked it...
[23:32] <ahoneybun> seems ubuntu sdk does not like me using 3d on VM
[23:32] <rpadovani> zmaj, great, feel free to ask if you need something else :-)
[23:34] <zmaj> let me copy paste my solution
[23:35] <zmaj> http://pastebin.com/9cgfcrcC
[23:37] <rpadovani> zmaj, that's how I implement it if I need it - again, maybe there are better solutions, but not I'm aware of
[23:38] <zmaj> I am satisfied with it...


[00:39] <cmaloney> Good evening
[02:12] <brousch> Yes
[06:10] <rick_h_> party
[12:51] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:54] <_stink_> yo
[12:54] <brousch> werd
[13:00] <PhillyMelt02> I have two hopefully quick questions about the upcoming MUG meeting...
[13:00] <PhillyMelt02> First, do you have to be a MUG member to win the RaspberryPi?
[13:00] <PhillyMelt02> And second, i RSVP'd on meetup, do I have to do it on the MUG site to be official, or is that good enought?
[13:24] <brousch> PhillyMelt02: I don't know the answers to your questions, but cmaloney should wake up soon
[13:31] <PhillyMelt02> Thanks brousch
[13:41] <cmaloney> HI PhillyMelt02
[13:42] <cmaloney> I'm on the board of MUG. I believe we're opening it up to all participants, member or no
[13:42] <cmaloney> PhillyMelt02: And you can RSVP on either site, but you can just show up.
[13:43] <brousch> I don't think I RSVPed anywhere
[13:44] <cmaloney> brousch: You RSVPed... with your SOUUUUUULLLLL!
[13:44] <cmaloney> brousch: I'll add you to the meeting proper so you'll get "credit".
[13:45] <brousch> credit?
[13:45] <brousch> MUGbucks?
[13:45] <PhillyMelt02> Thanks for answering my questions.  I look forward to the meeting.
[13:46] <cmaloney> PhillyMelt02: Looking forward to seeing you at the meeting.
[13:46] <cmaloney> BTW: We have a MUG-specific IRC channel if you're interested in idling in there. :)
[13:46] <cmaloney> #mugorg
[13:46] <cmaloney> Which you are already.
[13:46] <cmaloney> That's how much I pay attention. :)
[13:47] <PhillyMelt02> Yeah, I asked the question a few days ago and didn't get a response.  So I thought I'd try here
[13:47] <PhillyMelt02> No worries, I noticed you were in both channels too
[13:47] <brousch> Smarter than the average sammich
[13:47] <cmaloney> I am sorry. I missed that in the channel
[13:47] <PhillyMelt02> No worries.  Thanks for the help.
[13:47] <cmaloney> I guess that show how much I pay attention in that channel. :)
[13:48] <cmaloney> No problem. :)
[14:30] <brousch> cmaloney: I expect you to have these ready for MUG http://www.raspberrypi.org/insert-juggling-pun-here/
[14:30] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/M7VYfL - Insert Juggling Pun Here | Raspberry Pi
[17:46] <cmaloney> brousch: I have NFC how she made those work
[17:47] <brousch> RPi magic!
[17:53] <cmaloney> Right, so is there a pi in each club?
[18:00] <brousch> Hm, I don't think so
[18:01] <cmaloney> See, that's the part that I'm not getting
[18:10] <brousch> I don't get it either
[19:42] <cmaloney> http://metalinjection.fm
[19:42] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/rga8L2 - .FM - Your 24/7 Mainline of Streaming Metal Radio - Metal Injection
[19:42] <cmaloney> OMC is on
[23:13] <rick_h_> evening
[23:13] <rick_h_> or morning