[00:06] <Pedrolito> is it possible to upgrade to the beta right now?
[00:07] <silverarrow> should be
[00:07] <silverarrow> you have to do a sudo release update command
[00:08] <silverarrow> Pedrolito: I have to look it up, I can never remember them correctly
[00:08] <penguin42> yeh it should, just see the instructions on the beta release notes page if you're coming from a precise install
[00:08] <silverarrow> some have had problems
[00:08] <silverarrow> however, the install CD/DVD have a update function too
[00:09] <silverarrow> or upgrade might be correct term
[00:09] <cowsquad> penguin42, I am back, and I am just an idiot. I went back to check the memory sticks and they are 2 and 1 gb
[00:09] <Pedrolito> ok, I will look that up
[00:09] <Pedrolito> thank you
[00:09] <penguin42> cowsquad: Hehe - dmidecode rarely lies :-)
[00:09] <cowsquad> so my system is correct, I am just an idiot
[00:10] <penguin42> cowsquad: Hey we all do it from time to time
[00:10] <cowsquad> But I think my system can handle 4 gb max right?
[00:11] <silverarrow> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[00:11] <silverarrow> that`s the one I think
[00:11] <penguin42> cowsquad: Not sure
[00:11] <penguin42> cowsquad: I suspect your A300 is a bit newer than my A100; crucial.com's site said mine could take 4GB, but it only recognised 3, and I read the manuals for the chipset and it couldn't cope with 3
[00:12] <penguin42> with 4
[00:12] <silverarrow> you might have to check settings to make it work, "check for new release" that kind of thing
[00:12] <penguin42> silverarrow: The one in particular (as mentioned in the release notes) is that by default a precise install will only check for new LTS releases, so you have to flip it to check for all
[00:12] <cowsquad> my specs said that the max is 4gb so I am gonna add 1 gb then
[00:13] <Pedrolito> silverarrow, update-manager -d
[00:13] <silverarrow> hmm
[00:14] <silverarrow> cowsquad: if you run i386, you most likely cannot make any use of much more than 3GB anyhow, with 64bit it is debatable
[00:14] <jtaylor> debatable?
[00:14] <penguin42> silverarrow: the ubuntu kernel has PAE enabled so it can use more than 3GB even on 386 as long as the chipset supports it
[00:15] <silverarrow> yeah, it depends on cpu then, and specs
[00:15] <penguin42> silverarrow: And on 64bit it can use as much as you like
[00:15] <silverarrow> well, yeah, core2duo hasn`t used much more than 4GB here
[00:15] <Pedrolito> darn it, the dist upgrade needs 5GB of free space
[00:15] <cowsquad> my laptop it has capacity for 32 and 64 bit. so i guess i can upgrade
[00:15] <silverarrow> hardly more than 2or 3 really
[00:16] <silverarrow> penguin42: I`m not sure why that is really
[00:16] <penguin42> cowsquad/silverarrow: It can depend on the chipset as well as cpu, for example the 945GM variant I have can only do 3GB even with a CPU that can do more
[00:17] <silverarrow> see, that is the debatable part
[00:18] <cowsquad> penguin42, How do I know whta chipset do i have?
[00:18] <silverarrow> they say minimum 3 or 4 GB RAM for 64bit I think
[00:18] <penguin42> cowsquad: lspci
[00:18] <penguin42> cowsquad: But generally it's ok to trust say the docs that are on the vendors website, or somewhere like crucial
[00:19] <silverarrow> is that ram chipset then ?
[00:19] <penguin42> silverarrow: motherboard chipset - one of the bridges
[00:19] <silverarrow> I see
[00:19] <penguin42> (is that north or south I can never remember)
[00:20] <cowsquad> so my chipset is mobile 4
[00:20] <silverarrow> My HP came with vista 32 bit, and I was offered free windows 7 64bit in the deal
[00:21] <silverarrow> not sure there were any major benefits. but it has 6GB RAM
[00:21] <silverarrow> ..or was it 8
[00:22] <penguin42> that's all very interesting and everything, but that's vista, and this is #ubuntu+1
[00:23] <silverarrow> true, but in relation to 32 versus 64 bit
[00:23] <silverarrow> I  haven`t tired quantal on it yet
[00:24] <silverarrow> I thought it would be more hardware related than software
[00:29] <penguin42> anyone know how to eprsuade buuntu-bug (at a command line via ssh) to tell me what bug it thinks the dupe is it thinks it has found?
[00:29] <penguin42> anyone know how to persuade ubuntu-bug (at a command line via ssh) to tell me what bug it thinks the dupe is it thinks it has found? (even typed in the right order)
[00:30] <cowsquad> penguin42, one more question. How do I check what video/graphic card do I have. Since is unknown right now
[00:30] <yofel> lscpi | grep VGA will tell you that
[00:30] <Pedrolito> silverarrow, the 64bit mode is supposedly faster in itself independently from the RAM problem.  It has more registers, and other improvements
[00:30] <penguin42> cowsquad: It will be listed in the lspci output, see the line that says VGA on it
[00:30] <silverarrow> you have to fill in a suspected package, and bug launcher will auto collect info on related stuff
[00:31] <silverarrow> I don`t think it is more advanced than that
[00:31] <penguin42> silverarrow: Only if it's in the mood; in this one it claims there is a dupe (shown in my web browser) which there isn't since it can't start a web browser but doesn't tell me what it is
[00:31] <yofel> that's the bug pattern matching, no idea why that dialog doesn't tell you the matched bug :/
[00:31] <penguin42> yofel: It's not a dialog - it's a text prompt
[00:32] <silverarrow> penguin42: yeah, after launchpad login? it lists possible dupes, optional list to choose from?
[00:32] <penguin42> yofel: It's telling me to look at the bug in the web browser it's opened which is a bit stupid since it's running at a console
[00:32] <penguin42> silverarrow: No it doesn't  if it's running from the console
[00:32] <yofel> well, the GUI version would show a dialog with an OK button I believe.
[00:32] <yofel> oh
[00:32] <penguin42> yofel: Yeh
[00:32] <yofel> ok
[00:32] <yofel> that's useless indeed -.-
[00:33] <yofel> silverarrow: apport can check for dupes before you ever get on launchpad
[00:33] <silverarrow> I use the run function
[00:33] <penguin42> interestingly I ran it again and now it's decided to report it
[00:33] <yofel> that functionality is used for bugs that are reported very often so people stop reporting them
[00:34] <yofel> ...
[00:34] <silverarrow> well, apport I mean
[00:35] <silverarrow> midori chrashed and I got an auto apport bug report in quantal
[00:35] <silverarrow> i did not report it
[00:35] <silverarrow> I was testing a bankID that keeps crashing browser
[00:35] <silverarrow> does anyone have chrome?
[00:36] <silverarrow> I have midori and firefox
[00:47] <bandit-led> libreoffice and gnome-panel cant get file menu back ??
[00:47] <bandit-led> I must need to turn the computer off and go to bed
[00:48] <silverarrow> file menu?
[00:48] <silverarrow> I have libre office
[00:49] <bandit-led> are you running libreoffice1:3.6.2~rc2-0ubuntu1 ?
[00:52] <silverarrow> let me check
[00:52] <bandit-led> figured it out i beleive
[00:52] <silverarrow> Version <IP_ADDRESS> (Build ID: 360m1(Build:2))
[00:52] <bandit-led> you using unity?
[00:53] <silverarrow> no,  right now in lubuntu, lxde
[00:53] <bandit-led> you have the file edit menus?
[00:53] <kendfinger> I am having problems with Ubuntu Software Center Recommendations in Quantal.
[00:53] <kendfinger> It keeps asking me to login even though I have multiple times
[00:53] <silverarrow> bandit-led: where is that?
[00:54] <kendfinger> And no, it is not because my login info is wrong. :) I know it is
[00:54] <kendfinger> right
[00:54] <silverarrow> you mean the regular menu bar? yes I have file, edit, view, insert...
[00:54] <bandit-led> when you open writer you should have a file edit view menu right under the windowsbar
[00:55] <bandit-led> thanks silverarrow looks like i screwed somthing up again
[00:55] <silverarrow> let me take a screen shot
[00:56] <bandit-led> ok i will brbr
[00:56] <silverarrow> http://imagebin.org/231151
[00:58] <kendfinger> When will Ubuntu Web Apps be pushed into Ubuntu
[00:58] <silverarrow> not sure
[00:58] <kendfinger> I can't wait till it is ready!
[00:59] <kendfinger> I am an old developer for Ubuntu
[01:00] <kendfinger> I lost some of my team when I became inactive
[01:00] <silverarrow> cool
[01:00] <kendfinger> I started a group called the Ubuntu Geek Squad
[01:00] <silverarrow> I am not that advanced really
[01:00] <kendfinger> silverarrow: Well at least you are active lol
[01:01] <silverarrow> yeah, it accelerated quite a bit, when they asked for people with ppc hardware
[01:01] <silverarrow> and I still have the last iBook
[01:02] <kendfinger> lol
[01:03] <silverarrow> I still use it, it is silent, and nice to write on
[01:03] <kendfinger> https://launchpad.net/~kendfinger
[01:04] <silverarrow> oh, you have managed to sign the code of conduct
[01:04] <silverarrow> mines says "no"
[01:04] <silverarrow> I registered for launchpad ages ago, first time I used ubuntu
[01:04] <silverarrow> I was urged to join a bug at the time
[01:05] <silverarrow> or posting info on a bug
[01:06] <silverarrow> 13 year old?
[01:06] <silverarrow> and way ahead of me
[01:06] <kendfinger> lol
[01:06] <kendfinger> I love Launchpad!
[01:06] <silverarrow> well, if you like problems
[01:06] <kendfinger> I have been using Ubuntu since I was like 10
[01:07] <silverarrow> the earlier the better
[01:07] <kendfinger> yup
[01:08] <silverarrow> how did you get into computers that early? is your parents into software developing ?
[01:08] <kendfinger> My dad is a Web Designer
[01:09] <silverarrow> you probably have picked it up from him
[01:10] <silverarrow> I`m the only one around here using linux really, hardly anyone I know bother
[01:10] <kendfinger> yep. But I actually just one day decided that I was going to be a developer.
[01:10] <silverarrow> I am in an apple bobble these days,
[01:10] <kendfinger> lol
[01:10] <kendfinger> great analogy
[01:10] <silverarrow> everybody gets macbook pros and iphones
[01:11] <kendfinger> And I get Ubuntu Laptops and Androids
[01:11] <kendfinger> lol
[01:11] <kendfinger> :)
[01:11] <silverarrow> which is what I do too
[01:11] <silverarrow> I am looking for a ultrabook, Samsung 9 series is tempting
[01:12] <kendfinger> I agree
[01:12] <bandit-led> silverarrow, you using ppc?
[01:12] <kendfinger> yeah
[01:12] <silverarrow> yes,
[01:12] <bandit-led> ok thanks for the screenshot thats what its supposed to look like
[01:12] <silverarrow> I am on an old iBook G4, the last one from 2005
[01:12] <kendfinger> I might as well get my Coding gloves on lol
[01:12] <silverarrow> I am trying to test for quantal
[01:13] <bandit-led> i used to have a ppc running ubuntu
[01:14] <silverarrow> I am impressed kendfinger, if this is your interest, you will reach far
[01:14] <kendfinger> silverarrow: Thanks
[01:14] <silverarrow> yeah, the higher speced G4s and G5 will still run Ubuntu fine, Unity and all
[01:16] <kendfinger> Well I am off to coding
[01:16] <silverarrow> good luck
[01:16] <kendfinger> Going to go to #ubuntu-youth
[01:16] <kendfinger> :D
[01:16] <kendfinger> silverarrow: Thanks! :)
[01:17] <silverarrow> I didn`t know ubuntu was this social
[01:17] <silverarrow> we usually get hit over the head for sidetracking
[01:19] <bandit-led> http://imagebin.org/231152 no gtk installed
[01:20] <bandit-led> and with libreoffice-gtk installed http://imagebin.org/231153
[01:20] <silverarrow> looks all fine now
[01:21] <silverarrow> gtk messes up
[01:21] <silverarrow> ?
[01:21] <bandit-led> gtk does not have the menu bar
[01:22] <bandit-led> i hate fileing bug reports
[01:23] <silverarrow> run apport is nice
[01:23] <silverarrow> if you have the correct name
[01:23] <silverarrow> though, we need those reports
[01:23] <silverarrow> libre is one of the big ones
[01:23] <silverarrow> it is probably the same in open office
[01:24] <bandit-led> i will post it on launchpad
[01:24] <bandit-led> yep i found it. didnt show up under open bugs though oh well
[01:25] <silverarrow> run ubuntu-bug libreoffice-<IP_ADDRESS>
[01:25] <silverarrow> perpahs
[01:25] <silverarrow> oh, you have <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:26] <bandit-led> i fond it they posted it about 4 hours ago
[01:26] <bandit-led> found'
[01:28] <trism> might be bug 1062757
[01:29] <silverarrow> fun with the young people
[01:29] <silverarrow> Ken wanting to do the same stuff as his dad
[01:30] <bandit-led> trism, thats the one and several other looks like a regression that was supposed to be fixed
[01:30] <bandit-led> i searched the open bugs for libreoffice i dont know why it didnt show up for me but when i tried to add a new bug report then it listed 8 other bugs
[01:31] <trism> yeah there have been quite a few bugs mentioned where the workaround was: remove libreoffice-gtk
[01:31] <bandit-led> i can live the with the ugly menus but not without office
[01:32] <silverarrow> I need full office too
[01:32] <silverarrow> I have not yet tried to print in quantal
[01:32] <bandit-led> although the quickstarter i will miss for a couple of days
[01:33] <bandit-led> i print fine with 12.10 and the notification icon is better than 12.04
[01:34] <silverarrow> sounds good
[01:34] <bandit-led> now to track down the system-monitor bug
[01:35] <silverarrow> bugs galore
[01:40] <bandit-led> just cant add the indicator for system-monitor to the panel like i used to be able to
[01:42] <silverarrow> how do I get password and encryption key?
[01:42] <silverarrow> for signing ubuntu code of conduct, rather tricky
[01:43] <silverarrow> it has changed since 10.10 apparently, the way you go about it I mean
[01:44] <trism> silverarrow: seahorse ?
[01:44] <silverarrow> what?
[01:46] <silverarrow> http://imagebin.org/231155
[01:46] <silverarrow> there
[01:46] <trism> yes, seahorse
[01:47] <silverarrow> ??!!
[01:48] <silverarrow> I don`t have anything called seahorse
[01:48]  * silverarrow types "seahorse" in terminal
[01:48] <silverarrow> currently not installed
[01:49] <trism> odd, it is a depend of ubuntu-desktop
[01:50] <trism> silverarrow: anyway, I use https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto#Using_GnuPG_to_generate_a_key rather than the gui
[01:50] <silverarrow> oh, darn, I am installing, and I have lxde
[01:51] <trism> ahh that would do it
[01:51] <silverarrow> I regret that now
[01:52] <trism> sorry I assume everyone has ubuntu-desktop until they say otherwise
[01:52] <silverarrow> I mess up the setup here
[01:52] <trism> you could probably: sudo apt-get purge seahorse; sudo apt-get --purge autoremove; to get rid of the extra libs
[01:52] <silverarrow> !"#¤%&
[01:59] <silverarrow> yeah, on the ppc I am in lubuntu
[01:59] <silverarrow> I should partition and try Ubuntu too
[02:00] <silverarrow> I have 1.5GHz cpu, it might handle unity
[02:00] <silverarrow> around 2GH powerpc CPU is all fine with Unity
[02:01] <silverarrow> I have ran Unity fine with the better Celeron CPUs, 1.5 to near 2GHz
[02:02] <silverarrow> it doesn`t have to i5 or the newest
[02:02] <silverarrow> around 1GB RAM seems to be a must though, for some systems
[02:03] <silverarrow> most computers these days are way above
[02:29] <Almindor> hello
[02:29] <Almindor> my wacom bamboo connect (CTL-470) doesn't work in 12.10
[02:29] <Almindor> I get the "registered new device" in dmesg, but it's not recognized in the settings panel
[02:29] <Almindor> I also see it in inkscape, but it's just not responding
[02:30] <Almindor> I thought 12.10 should have support for CTL-470 native
[02:32] <bjsnider> Almindor, why did you think so?
[02:33] <Almindor> bjsnider: because as far as I understand wacom X drivers in 12.10 are on the version where they added CTL-470 support
[02:34] <Almindor> bjsnider, also I see the device with xsetwacom --list
[02:37] <bjsnider> Almindor, using wireless or cable?
[02:37] <Almindor> bjsnider, cable
[02:38] <bjsnider> Almindor, xserver-xorg-input-wacom installed?
[02:39] <Almindor> bjsnider, yes
[02:40] <Almindor> that's the thing it is detected by inkscape, I see it with xsetwacom --list, it just doesn't respond to the pen (the light on the tablet does tho) and I can't "turn it on" in inkscape as an input device
[02:41] <Almindor> I can also see the event13/event14 dev files created for it
[02:41] <bjsnider> and it doesn't control the system mouse?
[02:41] <Almindor> no it doesn't
[02:42] <bjsnider> might be a good idea to submit a bug about this
[02:43] <Almindor> ok, I will
[03:03] <Almindor> reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-input-wacom/+bug/1063091
[06:36] <gnomefreak> anyone know how to get rid of this "E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[06:36] <gnomefreak> E: Unable to lock directory /var/cache/apt/archives/"
[06:37] <IdleOne> rm it
[06:38] <IdleOne> the lock file that is
[06:38] <gnomefreak> how?
[06:39] <gnomefreak> i tried sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a  with no luck
[06:39] <IdleOne> sudo rm -rf /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[06:39] <IdleOne> then apt-get update update
[06:39] <IdleOne> err one update
[06:39] <gnomefreak> thanks it worked
[06:40] <IdleOne> sure thing
[08:49] <ubuntunoob> Hello
[08:52] <silverarrow> hi
[08:55] <popey> hi
[10:48] <Seiji> Hello! fglrx 2:9.000-0ubuntu3 from Software Center doesn't work, after reboot Catalyst Control Center brings the error with the aticonfig --initial, after I run aticonfig --initial and reboot X doesn't start, in xorg.log I have Segmentation fault at address 0x0
[10:48] <Seiji> Is the 2:9 driver supposed to work with 12.10 or I'm doing something wrong?
[10:50] <Seiji> I have switchable graphics with Intel 3000 and AMD HD 7470M
[12:04] <ratatuia> Hello! i am italian ,,excuse me fo my english .afther upgrade to 12.10  i am not able to enter on windows .traied upgrade -grub.
[12:05] <penguin42> Can you explain what you mean by 'enter on windows' ?
[12:05] <jtaylor> he probably means boot
[12:05] <jtaylor> is the issue with windows partition mounted during update-grub fixed?
[12:07] <ratatuia> Grub menu havent  the windows entry -update -grub not fixed
[12:11] <jtaylor> ratatuia: is the windows partition mounted?
[12:12] <ratatuia> yes
[12:12] <jtaylor> ratatuia: umount it and run update-grub again
[12:13] <ratatuia>  I try it tnx!
[12:14] <penguin42> jtaylor: We had a couple of separate people here yesterday with a problem where they used to be on Unity-2d and post-upgrade it wouldn't let them login and lightdm wouldn't let them chose unity; do you know if there is a bug for it?
[12:15] <jtaylor> no I don't monitor gui related bugs
[12:15] <jtaylor> though I should, my unity is unusable slow since 3 days
[12:16] <penguin42> jtaylor: I might report one anyway even though I haven't had it happen to me
[12:16] <penguin42> jtaylor: Is it using llvm-pipe?
[12:16] <jtaylor> it shouldn't
[12:16] <jtaylor> how do I check if it does?
[12:16] <penguin42> ah well, that isn't what I asked :-)
[12:16] <penguin42> hang on, let me boot my unity vm
[12:17] <jtaylor> pgrep llvm or pgrep pipe show nothing
[12:17] <ratatuia> Trovato Windows 7 (loader) su /dev/sda1 Tanke you!
[12:17] <jtaylor> I am using open source nvidia drivers
[12:17] <jtaylor> ratatuia: glad it worked
[12:17] <jtaylor> that really should get fixed
[12:17]  * jtaylor looks for bug
[12:18] <penguin42> jtaylor: If you go to system settings-details-overview what does it say on 'Graphics'
[12:18] <jtaylor> driver unknown
[12:18] <jtaylor> thats not good
[12:19] <penguin42> jtaylor: Hmm in my (unaccelerated) vm it shows Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x301)
[12:20] <penguin42> ah looks like the one I'm talking about is bug 1059137
[12:24] <jtaylor> hmm seems like I have to install the prop. drivers  for now
[12:44] <silverarrow> how do you go about bluetooth?
[12:44] <silverarrow> I am trying to make it work with my phone
[12:45]  * penguin42 never gets anywhere when he tries bluetooth
[12:45] <silverarrow> you are not the only one
[13:05] <hipitihop> slightly off topic as it is related to < 12.04.1 but no joy on #udev or #ubuntu so far. Can someone help me ignore a device with udev
[14:11] <bekks> hipitihop: why do you want to ignore an usb device, specifically?
[14:18] <BluesKaj> hey all
[15:05] <victor__> hi... what's the CLI command to update 12.04 to the latest beta? i thought it was "update-manager -d" that didnt do the trick
[15:06] <phoenix_firebrd> victor__: try "do-release-upgrade -d"
[15:06] <bazhang> victor__, tried that with alt f2?
[15:06] <victor__> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[15:06] <victor__> No new release found
[15:06] <victor__> ?
[15:07] <victor__> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[15:07] <victor__> Description:	Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS
[15:07] <victor__> Release:	12.04
[15:07] <victor__> Codename:	precise
[15:07] <phoenix_firebrd> victor__: open muon
[15:07] <bazhang> victor__, make sure the package manager is not set to "look for LTS only"
[15:07] <victor__> should be an update i guess?
[15:07] <bazhang> phoenix_firebrd, thats kubuntu
[15:07] <phoenix_firebrd> victor__: then synaptic
[15:08] <phoenix_firebrd> victor__: in the software sources
[15:09] <phoenix_firebrd> victor__: see if you have selected the option to notify normal releases instead of lts  releases
[15:09] <victor__> indeed that did the trick :)
[15:09] <phoenix_firebrd> victor__: nice
[15:09] <victor__> off we are
[15:10] <victor__> bbl
[15:15] <penguin42> hggdh: I wonder if your laptop problem was a dmraid, the logs show activate-dmraid: Serial ATA RAID disk(s) detected. If this was bad, boot with 'nodmraid'.
[16:45] <hggdh> penguin42: I also wondered about that, and disabled raid in the BIOS. Still, the sda was not found by the installer
[16:47] <penguin42> hggdh: It would have probably been worth keeping a copy of the 1st block of the drive
[16:47] <hggdh> penguin42: yeah. I tried to dd it off, but somehow I messed up, and lost the file :-(
[16:48] <penguin42> that's life
[16:48] <penguin42> and anyway there is important and there is getting your misses laptop working :-)
[16:48] <hggdh> so I intend to call Dell, and ask for a recovery CD
[16:48] <hggdh> heh. She was quite unhappy with that :-)
[16:58] <Pedrolito> I don't see the gsettings trees in dconf-editor, but I can edit the values from the command line utility 'gsettings'.  Is that normal?  I've seen on askubuntu several posts with screenshots showing the com and org trees in dconf-editor.  I upgraded from 12.04 if that matters
[17:00] <trism> Pedrolito: any errors when you run dconf-editor from the command line?
[17:00] <Pedrolito> let me check
[17:02] <Pedrolito> huh, wth, all of a sudden the com and org trees are showing in dconf-editor
[17:02] <trism> strange
[17:02] <Pedrolito> starting it from the command line could have done that?
[17:03] <trism> don't see why it would make a difference
[17:03] <Pedrolito> me neither, that's very weird
[17:04] <Pedrolito> well, good for me I guess
[17:05] <Pedrolito> thanks btw
[17:22] <dupondje> Nobody happens to have a Galaxy S3 ?
[17:22] <bekks> dupondje: Why...?
[17:24] <dupondje> can't get it connected to my computer, wont mount
[17:24] <bekks> And how do you try that, exactly...?
[17:26] <dupondje> It shown in Nautilus, but unable to connect
[17:54] <kendfinger> So what were the changes in apt I received today?
[17:54] <kendfinger> aptdaemon
[17:54] <kendfinger> !kendfinger aptdaemon
[17:56] <kendfinger> Ok so I am having problems with the Software Center on the latest Quantal release. When I try to login for the Recommendations it just fails to do anything.
[17:57] <kendfinger> Is this a known issue?
[18:05] <silverarrow> I can check
[18:06]  * silverarrow looks for recommendations
[18:06] <kendfinger> ok
[18:06] <kendfinger> lol
[18:07] <silverarrow> on my screen it looks like this http://imagebin.org/231217
[18:08] <kendfinger> silverarrow: you have Lubuntu. Lubuntu has it's own Software Center
[18:08] <kendfinger> silverarrow: I have Ubunu 12.10
[18:09] <kendfinger> lol I figured something out. Check this out silverarrow.
[18:09] <kendfinger> !silverarrow botsnack
[18:09] <kendfinger> !kendfinger botsnack
[18:09] <silverarrow> what?
[18:10] <kendfinger> Umm let me see
[18:10] <kendfinger> It should say "botsnack: Yum, umm, I mean APT!"
[18:10] <kendfinger> !all
[18:10] <silverarrow> lol
[18:10] <kendfinger> !ubuntu-softwarecenter
[18:11] <kendfinger> !ubuntu-software-center
[18:11] <kendfinger> !ubuntusoftware-center
[18:11] <kendfinger> !ubuntusoftwarecenter
[18:11] <silverarrow> is ubotu turned ofF?
[18:11] <trism> kendfinger: it goes the other way, !action | some_nickname
[18:11] <kendfinger> ohh
[18:11] <kendfinger> !botsnack silverarrow
[18:11] <kyubotsu> !ping
[18:11] <kendfinger> !botsnack silverarrow
[18:11] <silverarrow> oh, lol
[18:12] <trism> kendfinger: you need the | too, also see !msgthebot
[18:12] <kendfinger> oh
[18:12] <kendfinger> whoops
[18:12] <kendfinger> trism: sorry
[18:12] <kendfinger> !botsnack | silverarrow
[18:12] <kendfinger> ahh. There we go
[18:12] <trism> kendfinger: no problemo, I miss the brain the size of a planet version
[18:12] <kendfinger> sorry for like spaming the place
[18:12] <silverarrow> ¨silly, who put that in
[18:12] <kendfinger> Umm ubottu
[18:12] <silverarrow> hardly any activity right now anyhow
[18:13] <kendfinger> ikr
[18:13] <kendfinger> I guess everyone is busy squashing bugs
[18:13] <silverarrow> perhaps
[18:13] <silverarrow> or it is just sunday
[18:13] <kendfinger> yeah that too
[18:13] <kyubotsu> thats a lame excuse, refrain from it
[18:13] <kendfinger> lol
[18:13] <silverarrow> it stopped raining here
[18:13] <kendfinger> here too
[18:13] <kendfinger> It rained like crazy in SC
[18:14] <silverarrow> perhaps I will go out test my bike
[18:14] <kendfinger> :)
[18:14] <silverarrow> I had a flat tire yesterday, and my brakehandle came off the hinge
[18:14] <silverarrow> you know the bolt that keeps it in place
[18:14] <kendfinger> oh yikes
[18:14] <kyubotsu> !ot
[18:15] <silverarrow> on saturday evening, so I repaired with a wire, and have to do a real repair tomorrow
[18:15] <kendfinger> But I tried to get support and guess what, only one who said anything was silverarrow
[18:15] <kendfinger> So yeah bot is wrong
[18:15] <silverarrow> kyubotsu: launch your software center right now
[18:16] <kendfinger> lol
[18:16] <kyubotsu> chat. in. #ubuntu-offtopic. simple
[18:16] <kendfinger> ok
[18:16] <kendfinger> But can somebody handle my bug?
[18:16] <silverarrow> well, I am hoping to bumped in to someone who uses blueman
[18:16] <kendfinger> lol
[18:17] <silverarrow> I cannot make bluetooth work at all
[18:17] <Zta> Where do I find a list of open bugs in the beta only?
[18:18] <Zta> I'd like to know if it's a know bug that the Launcher cannot autohide ... or if I'm doing something weird wrong.
[18:18] <kendfinger> !launchpad | Zta
[18:18] <kendfinger> ...
[18:18] <Zta> kendfinger: This url does not point to beta-specific bugs.
[18:18] <kendfinger> Zta: one sec please
[18:20] <kyubotsu> technically, bugs for 12.10 are in launchpad, takes couple clicks to find after you're in
[18:20] <kendfinger> Zta: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+bugs
[18:20] <kendfinger> Yeah kyubotsu I was nice enough to give Zta the link
[18:20] <kyubotsu> indeed
[18:21] <Zta> I wasn't sure if it was https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/quantal-updates or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+bugs or https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-12.10
[18:21] <kendfinger> I get the ubottu syntax now. Like shell commands !"action | output-command"
[18:22] <kendfinger> Zta: it's ok. That's what I am here for
[18:22] <Zta> kendfinger: thanks
[18:23] <kendfinger> Zta: No Problem
[18:23] <kendfinger> Btw, I am 13 years old, so yeah #ubuntu-youth
[18:29] <kendfinger> Well guys gotta go
[18:40] <bakbaku> hi guys, I'm getting hash mismatches when running 'apt-get update' (just installed 12.10 beta 2)
[18:40] <bakbaku> for example: Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_quantal_main_binary-amd64_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch
[18:40] <bakbaku> any idea why?
[18:42] <bakbaku> any one else seeing that?
[18:43] <penguin42> bakbaku: I think it can happen if your mirror is in the process of doing an update as you do it - although it surprises me; it might be worth doing a ram check
[18:52] <dupondje> quite annoying i'm unable to open my files on my Samsung S3 with ubuntu :'(
[18:58] <penguin42> dupondje: Looking in your other chat, is it just a missing udev rule - all the other stuff is there?
[18:59] <dupondje> penguin42: need to manually configure udev rules?
[19:00] <dupondje> I see the device in Nautilus, but unable to open it
[19:00] <penguin42> dupondje: Well I know nothing about this, but if it is just a udev rule then you should be able to tweek it
[19:01] <dupondje> guess its more gvfs-photo2 not supporting th S3
[19:01] <dupondje> gvfs-gphoto2 :)
[19:01] <penguin42> dupondje: Don't know - if it's mtp you'd think there would be some generic 'hey I can do mtp' type of thing?
[19:05] <penguin42> dupondje: Ah looking through the contents of that bug rather than the title it looks like not just a udev rule
[21:55] <Zta> What is the relationship between Gnome, Unity, and Compiz?  And why isn't there just one point of configuration instead of System Settings AND CompizConfig Settings Manager?  This is really annoying, especially since many of the configuration settings overlap.
[21:57] <Amaranth> Zta: Unless Ubuntu is patching gnome tools (most likely though) they only change mutter/gnome-shell settings
[21:57] <Zta> I installed b2 in order to help with some installation translation work and perhaps a few bugs here and there, but I've spent two days trying to restore my usual desktop and window behaviour and shortcuts, but everything keeps crashing and blows my work back to defaults.
[21:57] <Amaranth> While compiz and unity are a completely different thing
[21:58] <Amaranth> Although at one point compiz also had the ability to use gnome's settings which makes things even more confusing
[21:59] <Zta> But I'm a user.  I just want to computer "Close Window" once.  I don't care whether it's the responsibility of Compiz, Unity or something third.  It's confusing how it is right now.
[22:19] <spaceneedle> I upgraded to Ubuntu 12.10--thru 12.04--but could not boot up from the 3.5 kernel. Had to use the 3.2 kernel. I'm using a dell latitude d610.    Now how do I downgrade to Ubuntu 12.04 again?
[22:22] <jtaylor> reinstall
[22:22] <jtaylor> downgrading is not supported
[22:23] <Zta> How is it any different that upgrading?
[22:23] <jtaylor> its very different
[22:23] <Zta> out with one package set, in with another
[22:23] <jtaylor> it works for simple cases but not for the whole distribution
[22:24] <Zta> okay
[22:24] <jtaylor> if you want downgrading use snapshots
[22:24] <jtaylor> via btrfs, zfs or lvm
[22:24] <jtaylor> for zfs there are some neat apt plugins
[22:25] <Zta> I just want a working machine again =)  Reinstall seems to be the only sane and safe option.
[22:26] <Zta> For some reason all my keyboard short cut get reset a while after I've configured them.  It's getting annoying.


[01:09] <dantti> Quintasan: Riddell, ScottK pushed a fix that resumes the printer then set it to accept jobs when the printer is added (just like s-c-p does), I'm not sure why CUPS does that but this fixes the issue and it's rather a trivial change
[01:10] <dantti> you might want to backport
[01:10] <dantti> odd that it seems older versions of CUPS didn't do this..
[01:11] <dantti> at least I had never seem this issue before but could easily reproduce here with 13.04
[01:13] <ScottK> dantti: Great.  Can you point me at the diff?  We should totally add that as a post-release update.
[01:17] <dantti> ScottK: http://commits.kde.org/print-manager/b2ba0e6fe602bfc1bd9a00793e679fbf1092f635
[01:18] <ScottK> yofel, Quintasan, shadeslayer: ^^^ can you do the SRU (I can't accept it if I upload it.)
[01:18] <ScottK> Maybe JontheEchidna would do it ...
[01:19] <shadeslayer> I don't think you want me to upload it because it's 7 AM here
[01:19] <shadeslayer> and I haven't slept all night
[01:19] <shadeslayer> although if no one does, I'll do it
[01:19] <yofel> only 3am here, but I'm not going to look at this either right now
[01:20] <shadeslayer> commit hasn't been published
[02:13] <shadeslayer> fabo: are you around?
[02:15] <shadeslayer> fabo: did you work on the Samsung Chromebook?
[03:16] <ahoneybun> hello
[03:44] <ahoneybun> Riddell: hey
[08:49] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1173509] qtdemo application missing in qt4-demos @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173509 (by Peter Würtz)
[08:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:58] <smartboyhw> Hello lordievader
[08:58] <lordievader> Hey smartboyhw, how are you doing?
[09:00] <smartboyhw> lordievader: good
[09:00] <lordievader> :)
[09:35] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1173521] plasma-desktop burning 90-100% of a cpu (after update to raring) @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173521 (by TerryHeidelberg)
[10:36] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1173535] I tried removing KDE desktop environment as I only want gnome @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173535 (by Johann de Boer)
[11:57] <BluesKaj_> Howdy all
[12:56] <smartboyhw> Congrats Riddell you made it to Full Circle Magazine #72
[12:56] <smartboyhw> :p
[14:58] <Quintasan> \o
[16:32] <volkan> Riddell: hey Jonathan. Do you still have the po files from kubuntu-docs? I need to them to create documentation for the local Kubuntu blog
[19:07] <volkan> anyone have idea about how to compiler kubuntu-docs?
[19:28] <Tm_T> volkan: hm?
[19:29] <volkan> Tm_T:  ops. sorry. i meant compile
[19:29] <volkan> it is removed from templates, but I still want to create a docs for my kubuntu-blog
[19:42] <ScottK> volkan: If we had someone to maintain them, we could leave them in the archive.  Maybe you'd be interested ...
[19:55] <volkan> ScottK: yes, if possible of course
[19:56] <volkan> actually i spent so much time to translate, and if they will not be published officially, i could host them on my blog
[19:56] <volkan> but currently I cannot reach the po files from raring package
[20:30] <ScottK> volkan: I think they're on launchpad, but I don't know a lot about translations.
[20:34] <volkan> ScottK: they were here: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/kubuntu-docs, but now I cannot find them. hopefully Riddell knows about them
[20:40] <Riddell> volkan: docs got deleted because they weren't being updated
[20:41] <volkan> Riddell: yes, i know thats very pity. actually we were talking about this on 26.03.2013 (i checked irc logs) and yesterday I also sent you an e-mail regarding to this
[20:42] <Riddell> volkan: it's more than a pitty, it's a waste of your poor time,sorry about that :(
[20:44] <volkan> Riddell: it's ok. i can understand. but is there any way to pull that translations? then i may compile and reuse them on my blog
[20:58] <Riddell> volkan: yeah you can get the package from quantal, it's unchanged
[20:58] <Riddell> but the translation templates in it are out of date
[20:59]  * sheytan just installed 13.04 on my dell. Works amazing :)
[20:59] <sheytan> even plymouth works now :D
[21:02] <Riddell> sheytan: yay :)
[21:03] <volkan> Riddell: yes, i mean these translations are not mine, actually.
[21:08] <volkan> probably they were the bad ones. because i did so many corrections
[21:13] <sheytan> apachelogger: ping. Sind Sie da?


 I am good too thanks
[13:40] <Kilos> hehe
[15:46] <Vince-0> Kilos !
[15:46] <Kilos> hi Vince-0  howsit
[15:46] <Vince-0> ay kak busy
[15:46] <Kilos> oh my
[15:47] <Kilos> busy is good if you are getting paid for it
[15:47] <Vince-0> to a point!
[15:47] <Vince-0> I haven't forgotten about your stuffs
[15:47] <Kilos> ya i spose
[15:48] <Kilos> np
[15:48] <Kilos> im not going anywahere soon
[15:48] <Kilos> anywhere either
[15:50] <Vince-0> so what's interesting?
[15:50] <Vince-0> did you see the new ubuntu community team mail list here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-community-team
[15:50] <Kilos> everything been very quiet here
[15:53] <Kilos> yeah bvut still gotta sign in there
[15:53] <Kilos> but
[15:55] <Vince-0> ya it's a mail list
[15:55] <Kilos> im signing in now
[15:56] <Vince-0> *subscribing
[15:56] <Kilos> ya that thing
[15:56] <Kilos> hehe
[15:56] <Vince-0> do you use gmail? I have list 100 lists subscribed and neatly organised in labels so I don't miss a thing
[15:56] <Kilos> i have 3 gmail accounts
[15:57] <Kilos> last one i made when trying to get to you guys on G+ hehe
[15:59] <Kilos> there, i think thats done
[16:04] <Vince-0> you'll get a signup Email and a confirmation
[16:05] <Kilos> i have done that
[16:05] <Kilos> tried the reply way
[16:06] <Kilos> you must see it?
[16:06] <Kilos> opposite of clever person
[16:06] <Kilos> domdonner
[16:07] <Vince-0> admin replies like that won't go to the public list
[16:08] <Kilos> oh you not doing it?
[16:15] <Vince-0> doing what?
[16:15] <Kilos> being the admin guy
[16:18] <Vince-0> oh that's not my list
[16:18] <Vince-0> that's Danel Holbach's list - he works at Canonical
[16:19] <Kilos> aha
[16:27] <charl> good evening people
[16:27] <charl> hi Vince-0, Kilos
[16:27] <Kilos> hi charl
[16:27] <Vince-0> surp
[16:29] <charl> hi drussell
[16:31] <drussell> charl: hey!
[16:36] <charl> :)
[17:02] <charl> this wireless at schiphol airport is total crap
[17:04] <charl> [  3]  0.0-13.6 sec   896 KBytes   538 Kbits/sec
[17:37] <superfly> charl: I thought that was normal?
[17:37] <superfly> (horrible wireless at airports)
[17:41] <charl> yup :(
[17:41] <charl> low latency but low bandwidth too here
[17:41] <charl> bbl
[17:49] <charl> ok back, turns out starbucks has electrical outlets (!!)
[17:49] <charl> chai tea ftw
[18:12] <charl> hi magespawn
[18:13] <magespawn> howdy cahrl
[18:13] <magespawn> woops
[18:13] <magespawn> howdy charl
[18:13] <magespawn> long daty
[18:13] <magespawn> day
[18:13] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:14] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[18:14] <charl> ah :)
[18:14] <charl> how is the wireless and the voip doing magespawn
[18:17] <magespawn> not bad, sorted out a problem with one asterisk install where the hard drive too full too boot
[18:18] <magespawn> been really struggling to get out one adsl sorted though
[18:18] <magespawn> but that is mostly a telkom problem
[18:21] <charl> how's it going with neotel, weren't they going to introduce some competition ?
[18:33] <charl> bbl
[18:38] <magespawn> charl not nearly there yet
[18:58] <magespawn> Kilos http://www.hostinger.co.uk/
[19:07] <Kilos> sec me looks
[19:19] <Kilos> That looks good ty magespawn
[19:32] <captine> evening all
[19:36] <magespawn> howdy captine
[19:52] <Kilos> hi captine
[20:19] <magespawn> back
[20:20] <Kilos> wb
[20:50] <charl> hi Kilos, everyone
[20:50] <Kilos> hi charl
[20:50] <charl> these free hosts make me nervous
[20:50] <charl> where is the catch... there's gotta be a catch
[20:50] <Kilos> lol
[20:50] <Kilos> yip normally its in the fine print
[20:51] <charl> yup
[20:51] <charl> "all your data are belong to us" or something similar
[20:51] <charl> i don't trust it for one second
[20:51] <Kilos> but some give 500m free and you pay for more
[20:51] <charl> ah, it always goes like that
[20:51] <charl> nah i rather pay a few euro per month and get a real vps from some company with some guarantees
[20:51] <Kilos> not are belong, belongs is the way to say it
[20:51] <charl> yes i know Kilos, it's an internet joke
[20:52] <Kilos> oh sorry
[20:52] <charl> "all your base are belong to us"
[20:52] <Kilos> lol
[20:52] <charl> it's actually from a japanese game that was (very) poorly translated into english
[20:52] <charl> not that it would have been the first
[20:52] <Kilos> i actually have a free one on weebly that ive forgotten about
[20:53] <Kilos> i forgot what i wanted a host for
[20:54] <charl> irc related stuff... running bots/bouncers etc, running mail/xmpp
[20:54] <charl> free web hosts, there are a million
[20:57] <Kilos> oh ya my bot
[21:28] <Rynomster> hi Kilos
[21:28] <Kilos> hi Rynomster  howsit
[21:28] <Rynomster>  good thanks and you?
[21:28] <Kilos> good tks, just falling asleep here, hehe
[21:29] <Rynomster> nice! yea it is already past your bedtime I think
[21:29] <Rynomster> [23:13:11] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:29] <Kilos> lol ya long past
[21:29] <Rynomster> [23:33:37] <Kilos-> night peeps. sleep tight.
[21:29] <Rynomster> mmm nah not long past
[21:30] <Rynomster> its around your usual
[21:30] <Rynomster> hehe
[21:30] <Kilos> its this minetest game that keeps me up
[21:30] <Kilos> i used to go sleep at around 9pm
[21:31] <Kilos> night surfer data kicks in at 11pm
[21:33] <Rynomster> lol
[21:33] <Rynomster> :D
[21:33] <Rynomster> minetest?
[21:33] <Kilos> dont you know it?
[21:33] <Kilos> lekker game, clone of minecraft and free
[21:33] <Kilos> in ubuntu repos too
[21:34] <Kilos> only we use the minetestc55 version
[21:43] <Rynomster> 4.9 is in the repos
[21:43] <Rynomster> i just killed myslef
[21:43] <Rynomster> myself
[21:43] <Kilos> lol
[21:44] <Kilos> the c55 has lots more stuff i think and ThatGraemeGuy  has a server running for us
[21:44] <Kilos> sjoe
[21:44] <Kilos> you killed your connection too
[22:02] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[22:59] <somaunn> Hello
[23:27] <somaunn> hello guys
[23:27] <somaunn> can someone help here by telling what is gen.xyz


[00:00] <jelmer> Noldorin: yeah, that doc is in the main branch - has been for a number of years :)
[00:00] <Noldorin> jelmer, does it though? i didn't think bzr init actually copies data from any other branch
[00:00] <Noldorin> ok
[00:00] <jelmer> Noldorin: it copies data, but just the data that is relevant *for the new branch*. It doesn't copy a lot of other data that would still be valid because other branches, either in the same repository or in stacked branches, rely on it.
[00:01] <jelmer> s/valid/necessary/
[00:01] <Noldorin> ah
[00:02] <Noldorin> jelmer, eek, what's the command to do a shallow branch again? i'm just trying to get lp:bzr now, but i don't want it to be however many GB the full rev history would fill on my system heh
[00:03] <Noldorin> jelmer, do i just want a stacked branch maybe?
[00:03] <jelmer> Noldorin: FWIW the repository is 70Mb, not GB
[00:04] <jelmer> Noldorin: --stacked
[00:04] <Noldorin> oh right
[00:04] <Noldorin> i thought it would be a lot larger!
[00:04] <Noldorin> that's surprisingly small
[00:04] <Noldorin> jelmer, guess you do a lot of metadata compression...
[00:23] <lifeless> Noldorin: branch only copies referenced history
[00:23] <lifeless> Noldorin: that is very different to repository level gc
[00:23] <lifeless> Noldorin: which has to delete content other concurrent processes may be looking at
[00:24] <lifeless> Noldorin: someone writing gc can of course layer on all the selective-copy work that branch layers on too.
[01:41] <Noldorin> eek
[01:41] <Noldorin> okay
[01:42] <Noldorin> lifeless, has any of the implementation vaguely described in doc/develoeprs/gc.txt been started in fact?
[01:52] <lifeless> Noldorin: I don't know, sorry - I haven't been following bzr dev closely for oh 3 years now
[01:52] <Noldorin> ah
[01:52] <lifeless> Noldorin: it's not conceptually hard to do
[01:52] <fullermd> Only thing I ever even heard rumors of was that old gc plugin, and if it's even available anywhere it was so long ago that it probably wouldn't fit without substantial rework anyway.
[01:52] <lifeless> Noldorin: but it does involve working at core levels of data storage to ensure correctness around locking / visibility etc
[01:53] <Noldorin> lifeless, yeah, i wouldn't know where to begin with that...
[02:08] <Noldorin> lifeless, fullermd, probably infeasible for someone who doesn't know the internal structure of bzr still, no?
[02:11] <fullermd> Structure is an illusion.
[06:44] <mathrick> jelmer: it just thinks there were no changes
[06:44] <mathrick> mathrick@megumi ~/elisp/dist/git/multiple-cursors $ bzr diff -c -1
[06:44] <mathrick> mathrick@megumi ~/elisp/dist/git/multiple-cursors $
[15:47] <Noldorin> hey fullermd
[15:47] <Noldorin> (if you're there)
[16:41] <Noldorin> lifeless, jelmer ?
[16:44] <mgz> Noldorin: it's a rle of irc, to just ask your question, rather than trying to handshake specific people
[16:44] <Noldorin> mgz, no. i need specific expertise
[16:45] <Noldorin> mgz, and i know who dealt with these things
[16:45] <mgz> the the mailinglist is a better venue. it's the middle of the night in nz for instance
[16:45] <mgz> *then the
[16:47] <Noldorin> ah yes
[16:47] <Noldorin> maybe
[16:58] <mathrick> Noldorin: it's still a better idea to ask directly, even if you ping specific people, to bootstrap the talk, rather than going "you here?" "Yeah, what's up?" "Oh, I was away still around?"
[17:02] <Noldorin> actually, i do have a general question anyway:
[17:02] <Noldorin> what's the best way to learn about the internal structure of bzr?
[17:02] <Noldorin> the way it uses metadata
[17:03] <Noldorin> the formats utilised
[17:03] <Noldorin> etc.
[17:03] <mathrick> Noldorin: for some things, there will be blueprints and design docs on the wiki and launchpad
[17:04] <Noldorin> ah
[17:04] <mathrick> but I'm not familiar with any central place which would have complete, current and accurate picture
[17:19] <Noldorin> hmm
[17:19] <Noldorin> guess i'll just browse the wiki then
[17:49] <Noldorin> mathrick, any areas/pages in particular you might be able to point me to? :)
[17:49] <Noldorin> mathrick, i want to work on a gc/cleanup implementation after i familiarise myself with things
[17:51] <mathrick> Noldorin: nope, sorry, I can't claim anything resembling enough familiarity to be able to tutor people
[17:52] <Noldorin> fair enough
[17:58] <vila> Noldorin: use the source, that's the only up-to-date version. The tests though should give you examples for anything you may dream about ;)
[20:17] <mathrick> vila: what I always find tricky in large systems with involved and tricky design like bzr is finding out why things are, and which parts are the important bits you need to undertsand, and which are just details
[20:18] <mathrick> unfortunately source usually doesn't tell you that
[20:32] <lifeless> Noldorin: the code
[20:32] <lifeless> Noldorin: there are design docs in the source tree; and there are design docs in the classes
[20:33] <jelmer> Noldorin: hi
[23:25] <Noldorin> lifeless, in the classes?
[23:50] <Noldorin> lifeless in the actual code you mean?


[12:05] <Riddell> jjesse, robotgeek: can you apply this to kubuntu docs? http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/DIFF
[12:07] <Riddell> mind get the correct debian/rules file
[12:13] <kwwii> Riddell: do we install any tango icons in kubuntu?
[12:17] <Riddell> kwwii: hell no
[12:19] <kwwii> Riddell: lol, good answer
[12:45] <kwwii> night all
[12:45] <kwwii> bis morgen
[06:34] <crimsun> jdong_: ping
[07:32] <hendry> is printer support broken in kubuntu?
[07:49] <hendry> actually printing setup sort of work
[07:51] <raphink> hi Hobbsee
[07:51] <Hobbsee> hi raphink
[07:51] <raphink> how are you?
[07:52] <Hobbsee> i'm okay, handed in my maths assignment...had a fire drill..
[07:52] <raphink> huhu
[07:58] <pygi> hey Hobbsee, raphink
[07:58] <raphink> hi pygi
[07:58] <Hobbsee> hi pygi
[07:59] <pygi> whats up? :)
[07:59] <Hobbsee> the sky.  and traffic.
[08:00] <Hobbsee> did kwwi get the new stuff in?  i want to see what it looks like now :P
[08:03] <raphink> Riddell: gettext doesn't work with pyKDE ?
[08:04] <Sime> raphink: i18n() works with PyKDE.
[08:04] <raphink> Sime: yes I know
[08:04] <raphink> but language-selector uses gettext so far
[08:04] <raphink> and it doesn't work
[08:10] <raphink> Sime: what's the lib for i18n?
[08:10] <Sime> raphink: the same as it is in C++.
[08:10] <raphink> which is?
[08:10] <Sime> kdecore (I think)
[08:11] <raphink> ok
[08:11] <raphink> thanks
[08:13] <raphink> hmpf
[08:36] <Hobbsee> raphink: you around?
[08:36] <raphink> yes
[08:36] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+bug/38356
[08:36] <Hobbsee> how do i see if that's still applicable?
[08:36] <Hobbsee> is there some easy way to tell?
[08:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38356 in konversation "Is not creating a .pot file on build time" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[08:37] <Hobbsee> like a post-inst log, or something?
[08:37] <raphink> I'd say run debuild on the package and track the pot in po/
[08:37] <Hobbsee> how do i track the pot in po/?
[08:38] <Hobbsee> er, it look's like Rid*dell's already done that...but how do you do it anyway?
[08:38] <raphink> wait I have to hurry
[08:38] <Hobbsee> okay
[08:38] <Hobbsee> dont worry then
[08:38] <raphink> I have to take a train this morning
[08:40] <Hobbsee> go for it
[08:41] <raphink> (I'm moving to the French Riviera, visiting a flat there tomorrow :))
[08:42] <Hobbsee> ooh fun :)
[08:43] <hendry> what is that kubuntu live Installer tool called again?
[08:43] <crimsun> espresso/ubiquity
[08:43] <Hobbsee> hendry: ubiquity?
[08:43] <hendry> so i report bugs against that?
[08:44] <Hobbsee> i think so...
[08:44] <Hobbsee> apparently there are a lot of bugs against it...
[08:44] <Hobbsee> so if you find a section with a lot of bugs that isnt firefox - that's where you want it :)
[08:53] <raphink> lol
[08:55] <Hobbsee> is https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+bug/34992 likely to be upstream?
[08:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34992 in konversation "Name with ampersand appears with underscore in menus" [Normal,Confirmed]
[08:56] <crimsun> I'd think so
[08:59] <Hobbsee> okay
[09:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you around?
[12:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: is there actually a problem with bug 43788?
[12:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43788 in kubuntu-default-settings "Maintainers kmix session was included in the settings" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43788
[12:53] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure - i couldnt really tell whether it should be there, or not...
[12:53] <Hobbsee> i couldnt see any difference
[12:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ^
[12:56] <Riddell> it's needed to start kmix on first boot
[12:56] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[03:02] <Hobbsee> why is bug-killing far more fun than maths assignments?
[03:02] <Riddell> :)
[03:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: besides, it gives me a great excuse to watch a dvd :P
[03:12] <Hobbsee> argh...what's the best way to get a changelog between two versions of a kde program?
[03:14] <freeflying> Hobbsee: diff
[03:14] <Hobbsee> freeflying: good point.  this is kaffiene in particular, it's suggested in a bug report to get a sync
[03:15] <freeflying> Hobbsee: kaffeine is buggy  )
[03:15] <Hobbsee> freeflying: true, dapper got a new version, which is supposed to be less buggy.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/k/kaffeine/kaffeine_0.8.1-2/changelog is their changelog
[03:16] <freeflying> Hobbsee: 0.8 has more improvement on UI, but not on application itself
[03:16] <Hobbsee> ah okay..
[03:17] <Hobbsee> someone did a good job with these kaffiene bugs - they've been triaged nicely
[03:17] <freeflying> Hobbsee: prefer to kmplayer, it's stabler than kaffeine
[03:17] <Hobbsee> OdyX: you did a great job on them :)
[03:18] <OdyX> Hobbsee: on which ?
[03:18] <OdyX> Hobbsee: going through bugs ?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> OdyX: kaffiene bugs
[03:18] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:18] <Hobbsee> and whatever else i havent seen yet ;P
[03:18] <OdyX> ;-9
[03:18] <Hobbsee> in celebration for finishing that darned maths assignment
[03:19] <OdyX> Just select one package and view its bugs... Then copy-paste "Does this still happen for you on latest Dapper? If no, please close the bug."
[03:19] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah, i know
[03:19] <OdyX> At the same time, mark as "Needs info"
[03:19] <OdyX> After 1 week, mark as "Fix released" and say "feel free to re-open.. :D
[03:20] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:23] <OdyX> and don't forget to tae a view on +karma :D
[03:23] <OdyX> Well.. Leaving. Practicals to do in ASM-Motorolla-ColdFire
[03:23] <Hobbsee> OdyX: so when will you get really brave?  :P
[03:23] <OdyX> really brave ?
[03:24] <OdyX> means = "packaging" ?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> OdyX: let me find them...
[03:24] <Hobbsee> OdyX: https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs-search?field.distribution=ubuntu&field.sourcepackagename=kdebase&search=Search
[03:24] <OdyX> Well.. soon
[03:25] <OdyX> when raphink ends the translation of "packaging-guide" ;-)
[03:25] <OdyX> Well.. Have to go...
[03:25] <OdyX> See ya..
[03:26] <Hobbsee> cya
[03:28] <Hobbsee> oh dear, i spoke too early about my sound...
[03:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: would you be able to shine some light on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/43059 ?
[03:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43059 in kdebase "When adding network printer wizard chooses wrong subnet for scanning" [Normal,Confirmed]
[03:31] <Riddell> I guess it's searching loopback stuff instead of the real network
[03:31] <Riddell> Hobbsee: do you have a network printer?
[03:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yep
[03:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: reproducable every single time
[03:33] <Riddell> you could try it on localhost:431 I guess to see if it's a cups problem or kde problem
[03:33] <Riddell> but I suspect it's a kde problem
[03:33] <jjesse> Hobbsee: it looks for subnet: 127.0.0.*:9100
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: where do i specify that?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> jjesse: yes, exactly
[03:34] <Riddell> Hobbsee: any web browser
[03:35] <Hobbsee> An error occurred while loading http://localhost:431:
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Could not connect to host localhost (port 431).
[03:36] <Riddell> hmm, curious
[03:36] <Riddell> maybe CUPS's web frontend has been turned off
[03:36] <Riddell> well you could try with gnome-cups-foo
[03:42] <Hobbsee> huh?
[03:44] <jjesse> Riddell: i think the problem is that when i select scan for printers it is looking at the 127.0.0.X subnet instead of the subnet that the primary eth connection is on
[03:44] <jjesse> is that correct Hobbsee?
[03:45] <Riddell> I'm just wondering if that's a KDE problem or a CUPS problem
[03:45] <Hobbsee> jjesse: the submet that the primary eth is on is also known as the gateway, i take it?
[03:47] <jjesse> Hobbsee: it should be
[03:48] <Hobbsee> yes, that's correct then
[03:49] <Riddell> no
[03:49] <Riddell> the subnet is the local network, the gateway is a device on that network that you route through to access the internet
[03:50] <Hobbsee> oh
[03:50] <Hobbsee> okay, maybe i'm getting myself confused then
[03:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: our printer has an IP address of <IP_ADDRESS> - yet it always tries to scan 127.0.0.*:9100
[03:52] <Riddell> Hobbsee: even with gnome-cups-thing?
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: interesting.  the kde print wizard thing will find it, if you select "remote cups server" as localhost, with port 631
[03:53] <Hobbsee> *double checks*
[03:53] <Hobbsee> i didnt try that - didnt want gnome stuff all over my system...
[03:54] <Riddell> doh, I got the cups port number wrong
[03:54] <Hobbsee> no, wait.  ignore that.
[03:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:54] <Hobbsee> so what port is it supposed to be?
[03:54] <Riddell> so it's probably a kde bug, maybe we'll get that cups 1.2 SoC project approved and that guy can fix it
[03:55] <Hobbsee> okay
[03:56] <Hobbsee> crud!
[03:56] <Riddell> hmm, firefox has stopped loading up
[03:56] <Riddell> there's a word my bad language hilights don't catch
[03:57] <Hobbsee> yes, it was a substitute bad word :P
[03:57] <Hobbsee> *crosses fingers*
[03:58] <Hobbsee> okay, this thing hates me!
[03:59] <Hobbsee> lovely.
[04:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's stopped sigseiving after scanning, and selecting the printer, and now just doesnt bring up any list of drivers or printers at all.
[04:06] <Hobbsee> ahh, more cupsys :)
[04:07] <Hobbsee> we'll see if *this* lot works!
[04:08] <Hobbsee> oh good!
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay, it's working again :)
[04:11] <Riddell> cool!
[04:11] <Riddell> good job Hobbsee, keep it up :)
[04:11] <Hobbsee> hehe - i just upgraded - i didnt fix anything...
[04:15] <jjesse> Hobbsee: sorry was away from my desk, did the probelm you were having get solved?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> jjesse: yeah, seemed that it was fixed with the upgrades that came in tonight...
[04:15] <Hobbsee> the kde driver database wasnt being created...
[04:16] <Hobbsee> got no idea about the other thing though - seems that's upstream
[04:16] <jjesse> did you get the problem solved with scanning the correct subnet?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> no
[04:17] <Hobbsee> er, why is system settings always single click?  is it supposed to be?
[04:18] <Riddell> that's how it's programmed
[04:19] <Riddell> I guess it should respect the file manager click mode setting
[04:19] <Hobbsee> right, so the wishlist one can stay...
[04:19] <Hobbsee> *marks the other as a duplicate*
[04:19] <Hobbsee> these system settings bugs are scary...
[04:20] <OculusAquilae> what about bug #44244 ?
[04:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44244 in wlassistant "No Translation Templates for WlAssistant in Rosetta" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44244
[04:20] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: shouldn't be a hard one to fix if you want to give it a shot
[04:20] <OculusAquilae> same for keep and kwin-style-crystal
[04:21] <OculusAquilae> right
[04:21] <OculusAquilae> the problem is that I have no idea how :)
[04:22] <Hobbsee> OculusAquilae: i found a howto on that earlier :)
[04:22] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Kubuntu
[04:22] <Riddell> see Generating .pot files
[04:22] <Hobbsee> that one too
[04:23] <Riddell> you need to play with the patch
[04:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that detail was copied, it's now also in http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[04:23] <Riddell> not all admin directories are the same
[04:24] <Riddell> interesting
[04:24] <freeflying> Riddell: any idea for import many pos into rosetta
[04:26] <Riddell> freeflying: ask carlos?
[04:27] <freeflying> Riddell: thx
[04:28] <Hobbsee> ooh yay!  found another crash in kopete!
[04:30] <jjesse> if the last comment on bug #44460 is "Seems to be a duplicate of " another bug by the person who filed the bug can i mark it as a duplicate?
[04:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44460 in kdeutils "my wallet in kwallet disappeared, but the file is still there" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44460
[04:31] <Riddell> jjesse: if it really is a duplicate sure
[04:32] <Hobbsee> *changes jabber account*
[04:33] <jjesse> looking at the bug the orignial requestor links to it is the same issue
[04:34] <jjesse> hmm don't see duplicate as a status i can set it to :(
[04:34] <Riddell> oh it's down the side somewhere
[04:34] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: hm wlassistant seems to have a wlassistant.pot-file by default in source
[04:34] <jjesse> found it
[04:34] <Hobbsee> jjesse: it's there, really :P
[04:35] <jjesse> i was looking under status
[04:36] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: poke carlos then to see why it's not imported
[04:36] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: wlassistant was only recently moved to main could be the reason
[04:37] <OculusAquilae> ok
[04:51] <Riddell> jjesse: could you apply this patch to kubuntu/debian/rules http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/DIFF
[04:52] <jjesse> Riddell: sure hold on
[04:52] <jjesse> in both trunk and branches?
[04:53] <Riddell> err, I'm not sure how trunk is being kept in sync with branch
[04:53] <Riddell> probably not worth bothering to do so just now
[04:54] <jjesse> ok i'll make sure they are in sync
[04:56] <Riddell> cool
[05:00] <Hobbsee> oh well, at least that's some bugs killed...
[05:03] <jjesse> Riddell: i'm getting "Missing header for unified diff at line 3 of patch"
[05:05] <Riddell> apply by hand?
[05:06] <jjesse> ok
[05:06] <Riddell> although it does have a perfectly good header
[05:06] <jjesse> maybe i'm typing the syntax wrong, can you help me with that :)
[05:07] <jjesse> its just patch -p0 file.diff file correct?
[05:08] <Riddell> it's done relative to the kubuntu/ directory
[05:08] <Riddell> then  patch -p0 < file.diff
[05:08] <jjesse> ah that's my problem i was in kubuntu/debian
[05:08] <Riddell> the < is important
[05:08] <Riddell> if you're in kubuntu/debian it's -p1
[05:16] <jjesse> hmm still not working, "Hunk #1 FAILED at 31
[05:16] <jjesse> grumble
[06:31] <Taya> hi, anyone can help me with adding some default language in kde(kubuntu)?
[06:32] <Riddell> sudo apt-get install language-pack-kde-xx
[06:32] <Riddell> set it in systemsettings
[06:32] <Taya> i have it installed
[06:32] <Riddell> something like  sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales  to set the default for all users
[06:32] <Taya> how can i set it in system settings
[06:33] <Riddell> kmenu->system settings->regional
[06:33] <Taya> i can;t choose anything , only english, in system settings/regional an accessibilities/country region & langiages
[06:33] <Taya> there is only english
[06:33] <Riddell> what's the language?
[06:34] <Taya> georgian
[06:34] <Taya> i did this reconfigure locales, but still the same..
[06:34] <Riddell> do you have language-pack-kde-ka installed?
[06:34] <Taya> yes
[06:35] <Taya> i had it before, as i also have gnome, and in gnome lots of things are in georgian
[06:35] <Taya> then i installe kubuntu(over gnome), and i have somethings in georgian, but very little, and i can't set up there georgian language..
[06:35] <Taya> cause I am uploading georgian trsnalations, and want to check how it lookes.
[06:36] <Taya> i need to have kubuntu in georgian..
[06:36] <Riddell> if you had gnome before you'll have language-pack-gnome-ka but not language-pack-kde-ka installed
[06:36] <Taya> i installed it myself today
[06:36] <Taya> from repository:
[06:36] <Taya> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2006-May/000537.html
[06:36] <Taya> that's daily updated
[06:38] <Taya> i have installed both, for gnome and for kde too.
[06:38] <Riddell> I see the problem
[06:38] <Riddell> KDE doesn't have language packs for georgian so there's no ./usr/share/locale-langpack/ka/entry.desktop
[06:39] <Taya> http://taya.convert.ge/snapshot17.png
[06:40] <Taya> ok, so what should i do to have georgian kde?
[06:42] <Riddell> we need an entry.desktop file in /usr/share/locale-langpack/ka
[06:42] <Riddell> but it seems to also need something translated, possibly kdelibs.po
[06:43] <Taya> i nede to create it myself?
[06:43] <Taya> yes it's translated, i have almost all kde, i just nee to upload it to kubuntu rozetta
[06:43] <Riddell> Taya: for now you will, I can talk to the language packs maintainer to get it in language-pack-kde-ka
[06:44] <Taya> i have: /usr/share/locale/ka/LC_MESSAGES
[06:44] <Taya> already
[06:44] <Taya> so why it doens't work?
[06:44] <Riddell> but anything in /usr/share/locale/ka/ ?
[06:44] <Taya> one folder: LC_MESSAGES
[06:44] <Taya> and 3 files inthere:
[06:44] <Riddell> yes, it also needs the file /usr/share/locale/ka/entry.desktop
[06:45] <Taya> iso_3166.mo
[06:45] <Taya> iso_639.mo
[06:45] <Taya> poeit.mp
[06:45] <Taya> mp=mo
[06:45] <Riddell> I need to work out how to get that in the package
[06:45] <Taya> poeit.mo
[06:45] <Taya> in gnome(ubuntu) georgian is already very long time....
[06:45] <Riddell> Taya: I need to go out now but please report a bug on launchpad.net and subscribe me (jr)
[06:45] <Riddell> and poke me if I don't get it fixed soon
[06:46] <Taya> hmm.. ok, but i am new to louchpad.. don't know if i can do that ;)
[06:46] <Taya> we;ll see
[06:46] <AlinuxOS> Taya, where is the problem?
[06:46] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-kde-ka/+filebug
[06:46] <Riddell> and in the mean time keep translating and uploading
[06:47] <Riddell> AlinuxOS: we're missing two things that KDE needs, firstly the translations and secondly a file /usr/share/locale-langpack/ka/entry.desktop
[06:47] <AlinuxOS> Riddell, ah ok. I understand in GNOME no problems.
[06:47] <Riddell> which is missing because KDE doesn't have any language packs for georgian
[06:47] <AlinuxOS> so it's better to file a bug right?
[06:47] <Riddell> yes, KDE is special like this
[06:47] <Riddell> AlinuxOS: please do
[06:49] <Taya> yes i willbut when will it be fixed?
[06:49] <AlinuxOS> so Taya you must file a bug against language-pack-kde-ka
[06:49] <Taya> ok, where , and how?
[06:49] <AlinuxOS> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-kde-ka/+filebug
[06:49] <AlinuxOS> as Riddell said
[06:50] <AlinuxOS> just explane your situation: that there is no language packs for georgian
[06:50] <AlinuxOS> but continue to import KDE files.
[06:51] <AlinuxOS> KDE devel team is fast to solve this genre of bugs
[06:51] <AlinuxOS> Righ Riddell? :)
[06:52] <Taya> ok let's see how quick it will be solved :))))))))))))
[06:56] <Riddell> Taya: I'll try and get it fixed as soon as I can :)
[06:56] <Taya> ok, bug is reported ;)
[06:57] <Taya> how can i track this bug?
[06:57] <AlinuxOS> Taya, good :)
[06:58] <AlinuxOS> it's open source community :) not M$ !
[06:58] <AlinuxOS> in open source community we are faster :)
[06:58] <Taya> i know, and i like it :)
[06:58] <Riddell> Taya: you will be subscribed to it when you reported it so you'll get e-mails of changes
[06:58] <Riddell> Taya: thanks for helping with kubuntu
[06:58] <Taya> and also, i have some other problems in kubuntu.. should i post it here?
[06:58] <AlinuxOS> Taya, gender m/f ? :)
[06:59] <Taya> alinux: reebs mekitxebi?
[06:59] <Taya> lol
[06:59] <AlinuxOS> :)
[06:59] <AlinuxOS> I know I know :)
[06:59] <Taya> i have laptop: asus w5a00
[06:59] <Taya> already 1 year
[06:59] <Taya> and sound card was not working in any linux distributions till now.
[07:00] <Taya> i installed 6.06 ubuntu about a week ago, and i was surptrized it was working !!
[07:00] <Taya> but in kubuntu - volume up/down/mute keys are not working
[07:00] <Taya> they are working in gnome/ubuntu, but not in kde/kubuntu
[07:01] <Taya> lspci sais: 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
[07:01] <Taya> though, sound and mic are working fine in kubuntu, just not the keys..
[07:02] <Taya> anyone can help with this?
[07:02] <Riddell> Taya: laptop keys are something that Kubuntu is often weak in, I plan to work a lot in that area for the next version
[07:02] <Taya> ah, and next versions is 6.10 or before?
[07:02] <Riddell> 6.10 yes
[07:02] <Riddell> Edgy
[07:03] <Taya> hmm.. not before?
[07:03] <Taya> i was waiting my laptop to have sound already one year.....
[07:03] <Taya> :)
[07:03] <Riddell> ubuntu has mjg59 working hard on laptop support, kubuntu doesn't have anyone
[07:04] <Taya> and also my bloetooth is not working, dont know why yet.... and i have to test my webcam also ;)
[07:04] <Taya> i will report here if smth will not be working ;) bu bluetooth already is not. ;(
[07:04] <Riddell> but if you can help us with testing then I've sure we'll get it working before october
[07:04] <uniq> taya: you can try system settings -> regional & accessibility -> keyboard -> tick "enable keyboard layouts" - Now select Laptop/something in the list, might work for you.
[07:04] <Taya> sure, on my laptop i can test :) i am using kubuntu and like it very much (after i can hear some sounds...)
[07:04] <uniq> taya: the list = keyboard model list.
[07:05] <Taya> uniq> ai already have georgian keyboard layoyts
[07:05] <Taya> :)
[07:05] <uniq> taya: ok, then just select some laptop keyboard from the list of keyboard models. Laptop/Inspiron have worked for me on several laptops.
[07:06] <uniq> later riddell.
[07:07] <Taya> wait
[07:07] <Taya> ther eis no keyboard menu, there is: keyboard layout, and keyboard shortcuts
[07:07] <Taya> and none of them have menu to choose from keyboard type..
[07:08] <Taya> ah wait, i found it
[07:08] <Taya> ah YES!
[07:09] <Taya> i choose laptop/notebook compaq presario, laptop keyboard
[07:09] <Taya> and now my sound/on/off/mute keys are working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[07:09] <Taya> thx
[07:09] <Taya> no ;(
[07:10] <Taya> mute is not working :(
[07:11] <Taya> ok i will try diffreent laptop kbs..
[07:12] <Taya> mute still not working..
[07:13] <Taya> an one more thing:
[07:14] <Taya> in kubuntu (not in ubuntu) time after time it appears soe  little screen saying LCD mode on / off or smth like this
[07:14] <Taya> my laptop has also plug for monitor, an for video out or smth ..
[07:15] <Taya> can we fix it?
[07:16] <allee> Taya: what's your bluetooth problem (I've bt mouse and idsn device working here)
[07:16] <Taya> it is not working.
[07:16] <Taya> ;)
[07:16] <Taya> i ahveinstalled kbluetoothd
[07:16] <Taya> and it sais: no adapter
[07:17] <allee> open an console and run: hciconfig
[07:17] <allee> konsole that is
[07:18] <allee> What bt adapter do you use?  Build in, usb bt stick?
[07:18] <Taya> buil-in
[07:18] <Taya> build-in
[07:18] <Taya> ok i did, what should happen?
[07:19] <allee> hciconfig returned nothing?
[07:20] <Taya> yep, nothing
[07:20] <Taya> root@Taya:/home/taya# hciconfig
[07:20] <Taya> root@Taya:/home/taya#
[07:21] <allee> Taya: Are you sure you buildin adapter is switched on?  (E.g. my Dell has a Fn-F2 hotkey to turn it on/off)
[07:21] <Taya> yes it's on
[07:21] <Taya> cause it's bin to wifi
[07:21] <Taya> there is one switch for them
[07:21] <Taya> and right now i am usind intenet via wifi
[07:21] <allee> Ah, bad :( ...
[07:22] <allee> I would like to see what's happening when ...
[07:22] <Taya> when?
[07:22] <allee> tail -f /var/log/kern.log; # now switch bt/wiki of/on
[07:22] <allee> wifi that is
[07:23] <Taya> hmm. i will get offline then..
[07:23] <Taya> ok brb
[07:23] <AlinuxOS> :)
[07:24] <Taya> strange
[07:24] <Taya> this swith is not working...
[07:24] <Taya> even when i turn it off, internet (i.e. wifi) is still working..
[07:24] <Taya> strange..
[07:24] <allee> Taya: laptop model?
[07:25] <Taya> and in kern.log only these errors allll the time:
[07:25] <Taya> status
[07:25] <Taya> May 17 21:25:00 localhost kernel: [4303715.508000]  Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status
[07:25] <Taya> May 17 21:25:00 localhost kernel: [4303715.608000]  Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status
[07:25] <Taya> May 17 21:25:00 localhost kernel: [4303715.608000]  Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status
[07:25] <Taya> May 17 21:25:00 localhost kernel: [4303715.708000]  Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status
[07:25] <Taya> May 17 21:25:00 localhost kernel: [4303715.708000]  Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status
[07:25] <Taya> May 17 21:25:01 localhost kernel: [4303715.808000]  Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status
[07:25] <Taya> May 17 21:25:01 localhost kernel: [4303715.808000]  Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status
[07:25] <Taya> May 17 21:25:01 localhost kernel: [4303715.908000]  Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status
[07:25] <Taya> asus w5a00
[07:25] <Taya> wait, i will post here link (of laptop)
[07:25] <allee> Taya: grep /var/log/daemon.log | grep hcid | tail -20
[07:27] <Taya> huh, tough job.. still thinking..
[07:27] <allee> Taya: oh, no my error
[07:27] <allee> Taya: grep hcid /var/log/daemon.log | tail -20
[07:28] <allee> use kubuntu.paste.com to paste the data and post URL here
[07:28] <Taya> root@Taya:/home/taya# grep hcid /var/log/daemon.log | tail -20
[07:28] <Taya> May 15 23:04:28 localhost hcid[4701] : Bluetooth HCI daemon
[07:28] <Taya> May 15 23:04:28 localhost hcid[4701] : Can't get system message bus name: Connection ":1.1" is not allowed to own the service "org.bluez" due to security policies in the configuration file
[07:28] <Taya> May 16 20:35:07 localhost hcid[4701] : Exit.
[07:28] <Taya> May 16 20:36:50 localhost hcid[4383] : Bluetooth HCI daemon
[07:28] <Taya> May 16 20:36:51 localhost hcid[4383] : Can't get system message bus name: Connection ":1.1" is not allowed to own the service "org.bluez" due to security policies in the configuration file
[07:28] <Taya> May 17 09:24:28 localhost hcid[4383] : Exit.
[07:28] <Taya> May 17 09:25:41 localhost hcid[4399] : Bluetooth HCI daemon
[07:28] <Taya> May 17 09:25:41 localhost hcid[4399] : Can't get system message bus name: Connection ":1.1" is not allowed to own the service "org.bluez" due to security policies in the configuration file
[07:29] <allee> kbluetooth does not use dbus yet.
[07:29] <allee> remove the tail -20 and post messages that are different
[07:30] <Taya> how should i paste??
[07:31] <allee> look at http://kubuntu.paste.com and paste the data in the text field.  Submit it and post URL that is returned
[07:32] <Taya> http://pastebin.com/722978
[07:32] <abattoir> allee kubuntu.pastebin.com ?
[07:33] <allee> abattoir: yes of course, sorry
[07:33] <allee> abattoir: bookmarks are not helpful for remembering URL ;)
[07:33] <abattoir> hehe :)
[07:33] <allee> the bookmark manager knows them, me not
[07:34] <allee> Taya: without the tail -20.  The messages show are not helpful
[07:34] <Taya> ??
[07:35] <Taya>  root@Taya:/home/taya# grep hcid /var/log/daemon.log | tail -20
[07:37] <allee> only: grep hcid /var/log/daemon.log
[07:38] <Taya> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/722995
[07:38] <allee> Taya: output of: uptime
[07:39] <Taya> 21:39:40 up  2:45,  3 users,  load average: 0.62, 0.92, 0.89
[07:42] <allee> have you multiple session/monitors running?
[07:42] <Taya> not now..
[07:43] <allee> Taya: it's strange that there's nothing about an adapter in the log ...
[07:44] <allee> Taya: maybe the adapter is switch off by default in BIOS?  (without working hotkey, you can't turn it on and linxu kernel will not see it)
[07:44] <Taya> no, i have windouws too, and in windows it's working.
[07:46] <Taya> and what about lcd monitor problem?
[07:46] <allee> does 'lsusb -v | grep -i blue' list something?
[07:47] <Taya> no
[07:47] <allee> Taya: did you have a look at the LaptopTesting pages in wiki.ubuntu.com?
[07:48] <allee> and dmidecode | grep -i blue?
[07:48] <Taya> not now, sound was not working, and about one year ago, i was searching for something abou tsound.. but now, i just installed ubuntu and was surprized and happy sound was working.
[07:48] <Taya> i ahve not searched for anything yet..
[07:48] <Taya> root@Taya:/home/taya# dmidecode | grep -i blue
[07:48] <Taya>         Internal Reference Designator: CN12 - BLUETOOTH
[07:52] <Taya> laptop details: http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/ASUS_W5_Laptops/prod.asp
[07:54] <Taya> allee??
[07:57] <Taya> ...
[07:58] <allee> Taya: sorry.  My user here has proble with an printout.  later ..
[07:58] <Taya> ok.....
[08:07] <jjesse> Riddell: i never got that patch to commit for teh docs
[08:11] <apachelogger> http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/74/66/
[08:12] <OculusAquilae> http://www.thekatapult.org.uk cracked :(
[08:25] <allee> Taya: dmesg | grep -i blue   # or grep -i blue /var/log/kern.log{,.0}
[08:26] <abattoir> the mood bar has been enabled in the amarok package... nice :)
[08:27] <Taya> dmesg | grep -i blue >> nonw
[08:27] <Taya> none
[08:27] <Taya> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/723107
[08:28] <yuriy> hi, i'm trying to get the source to the current kaffeine in dapper, but I can't get it to build, am i doing something wrong:
[08:29] <yuriy> i downloaded .orig.tar.gz and the diff.gz, extracted the orig, ran "zcat ../kaffeine_0.7.1-1.3ubuntu8.diff.gz | patch -p1"
[08:31] <yuriy> without the patch it compiles, but with the patch i get this:   make[2] : Nothing to be done for `all-am'.       make[1] : *** [all-recursive]  Error 1      make: *** [all]  Error 2    *** Exited with status: 2 ***
[08:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[08:51] <apachelogger> anyone with admin access to kubuntu.org around?
[08:58] <kwwii> hehe, got another update for amarok?
[08:58] <kwwii> Riddell is probably hiding from you :-)
[08:59] <apachelogger> kwwii: no, finall 1.4.0 is out :P
[08:59] <apachelogger> *finally
[08:59] <kwwii> :-)
[09:09] <allee> Taya: pah, I've checked on a laptop without BT and kern.log msg are the same
[09:11] <allee> Taya:  grep -i firm  /var/log/kern.log{,.0}
[09:12] <allee> Taya: best (fwiw) guess I have is still that BT is disabled by default in BIOS.  Just that Windows driver enables it on startup
[09:14] <Taya> ok, so i have to enable it in bios?
[09:14] <allee> Taya: it's just a guess. Other possibility is that the buildin BT chip is not supported at all
[09:15] <allee> Taya: At least I know I can set BT to off in BIOS with my Dell D600 (and switch later on via hotkey)
[09:17] <Taya> ok i will try later and report here. (probably it will be tomorrow, as it's late night now, and i will go to sleep soon..)
[09:39] <kmon> kwwii: did you change today the bg of kubuntu kdm?
[09:40] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[09:40] <Tonio_> mornfall_: ping ?
[09:40] <kwwii> kmon: well, last night, but yeah
[09:40] <kmon> you forgot to update the screenshot files & preview file ;)
[09:41] <kmon> nothing important...
[09:41] <kmon> i've just noticed
[09:41] <kwwii> ouch
[09:41] <kwwii> I even made an xcf for that purpose
[09:41] <kwwii> ok, will do...thanks for the tip
[09:42] <kmon> I assumed it wasn't worth a bug in launchpad.
[09:43] <kwwii> well, it is easily fixed
[09:48] <Tonio_> hi kwwii, kmon
[09:48] <kwwii> hi Tonio_
[09:48] <kwwii> Tonio_: how's things?
[09:49] <kmon> hi Tonio_
[09:49] <jjesse> hiya Tonio_
[09:49] <Tonio_> kwwii: quite nicelly ;) except my laptop has a ---reallt--- strange hardware issue
[09:49] <Tonio_> really
[09:50] <Tonio_> allee: ping ?
[09:50] <Tonio_> kwwii: and you ? just saw the new backgrounds, really ince :)
[09:50] <allee> Tonio_: pong
[09:50] <Tonio_> allee: you told me toma is working on codeine source code right ?
[09:51] <allee> yes. but I've seen no commit's in last 36 hours
[09:52] <Tonio_> allee: okay, I just wanted to know if he intends to become new upstream since old one apparently stopped maintaining it
[09:52] <allee> AFAIU pkgs work.  It's need a go at debina/copyrigh
[09:52] <Tonio_> allee: it is really nice, more stable than kaffeine, and doesn't crash konq
[09:52] <Tonio_> allee: it would be a perfect default player for edgy
[09:52] <allee> Tonio_: not Howels revived it
[09:52] <Tonio_> allee: he started again ? nice ;)
[09:52] <allee> s/not/no,/
[09:52] <allee> yes :) :)
[09:53] <Tonio_> allee: that's very nice to ear ;) it needs a few improvements, but the base is really excellent.......
[09:53] <Tonio_> allee: I don't think kaffeine will be stable someday, and since upstream seems to be interested to add audio, encoding functions etc.....
[09:53] <Tonio_> latest version is a mess, really
[09:53] <allee> Tonio_: honestly kaffeine is too complicated for me!
[09:54] <Tonio_> allee: I agree, we need a simpler player
[09:55] <Tonio_> allee: kaffeine is too buggy too....
[09:55] <kmon> my laptop's fan stops randomly :(
[09:55] <Tonio_> kmon: my laptop doesn't restart randomly :(((
[09:55] <allee> Tonio_: about default config: Installed a laptop from scratch in german.  nevertheless when I enter country/Region & language, language is US English and Country/region 'C'
[09:55] <Tonio_> and sometimt doesn't want to start at all
[09:56] <Tonio_> allee: and ?
[09:56] <allee> Tonio_: looks like it picks up from defaults  (nevertheless desktop is in german)
[09:56] <kwwii> allee: I have the same bug
[09:56] <Tonio_> allee: very strange.......; what version did you install ?
[09:56] <kwwii> I installed like that to test it
[09:56] <allee> Tonio_: I expected Language set to german and country/region Germany
[09:56] <kwwii> and now I cannot change it
[09:57] <Tonio_> allee: is it for ALL kubuntu or just kde ?
[09:57] <allee> Tonio_: cd from 15 May afair
[09:57] <kwwii> Tonio_: btw...did you remove all the profiles from konqi?
[09:57] <Tonio_> kwwii: yes ;)
[09:57] <kwwii> Tonio_: well, there is a but now that konqi will not start
[09:58] <Tonio_> allee: is gwenview in english too ?
[09:58] <Tonio_> just a test :)
[09:58] <allee> Tonio_: /etc/environment is right.  Desktop is in German.  But the kcm module settings are wrong
[09:58] <kwwii> I think we need to leave at least the simple "web-browsing" and "file manager" profiles in
[09:58] <Tonio_> allee: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales ?
[09:59] <Tonio_> allee: it would be nice if I could have a look at your desktop to really understand whare is the issue
[09:59] <kwwii> I do not even have the possiblity to change it to anything else
[09:59] <Tonio_> allee: would you be okay for a 5 minutes vnc session ?
[09:59] <kwwii> only en packages are installed
[09:59] <allee> Tonio_: I assume (well wild guess) that if nothing is set it uses LC_* LANGUAGE stuff. But kcm module is not that flexible
[10:00] <Tonio_> kwwii: did you try to use the language support tool ?
[10:00] <kwwii> what is that?
[10:00] <kwwii> I tried to change my settings in "system preferences"
[10:00] <allee> Tonio_: everything is German and works.  It's just the kcm module that shows different value.
[10:00] <kwwii> my base system is German
[10:00] <Tonio_> kwwii: a kubutu tool to manage languages packs and set default value
[10:00] <kwwii> ahhhh
[10:01] <kwwii> nope, never tried that
[10:01] <Tonio_> kwwii: try it ;)
[10:01] <kwwii> I learn 10 new things about ubuntu every day
[10:01] <kwwii> and I have to say this now:
[10:01] <Tonio_> kwwii: hehe
[10:01] <allee> I assume your desktop is french? :)  So just create a new user. log in.  goto country/region and language settings.  I'm sure you find the same as I did.  English defaults
[10:01] <kwwii> I like working with the kubuntu people a lot more than the ubuntu ones
[10:01] <Tonio_> allee: did you check your config in that tool too ?
[10:01] <Tonio_> kwwii: hu ? is that that different ?
[10:02] <allee> kwwii: maybe we don't hug that often like ubuntu? :)
[10:02] <Tonio_> allee: okay let me test this
[10:02] <kwwii> dude, they have an irc channel and mailing list just for the artwork stuff
[10:02] <kwwii> artwork by commitee sucks
[10:04] <Tonio_> allee: no pb here.......
[10:04] <Tonio_> allee: would you like me to look at your desktop with vnc maybe ?
[10:04] <Tonio_> that could help....
[10:06] <Tonio_> hum; okay, I have english default yes
[10:06] <Tonio_> but I can change it to french
[10:07] <allee> Tonio_: no, campus firewall
[10:08] <Tonio_> allee: okay I know
[10:08] <allee> Tonio_: yes I can also change to german and deutsch.  It's just strange that this is not already selected
[10:08] <Tonio_> allee: it is not a bug but a usability issuie
[10:08] <Tonio_> you cannot change laguage since you dont't have langpacks installed
[10:08] <allee> Tonio_: I would say that low prio, yes
[10:08] <Tonio_> then when you select another language, it keeps printing english
[10:08] <Tonio_> allee: install the german langpacks, then you will be able to change
[10:09] <Tonio_> and concerning english printed at first launch, this is because the file isn't defined in your .kde
[10:09] <Tonio_> allee: use the language support in K menu / System
[10:09] <Tonio_> install german support, and you will be able to change in kcm module
[10:09] <allee> Tonio_: no. everything working already in german.  The installation did everything right.  It's just that the kcm module does not reflect the changes that KDE is actually using already ;)
[10:10] <allee> s/changes/settings/
[10:10] <Tonio_> allee: hum....... in fact that can be due to the fact we currently have 2 langpacks.....
[10:10] <Tonio_> the ones built by pitti and the kde ones
[10:10] <Tonio_> allee: may I have a look via vnc or not ?
[10:10] <Tonio_> just o compare with my config
[10:10] <Tonio_> since it works here
[10:11] <allee> Tonio_: you can't. The tcp connection has to be esthabisheled from here.  Sorry.  Screenshot?
[10:11] <Tonio_> allee: can you come on my computer then ?
[10:12] <allee> Tonio_: yes, for outgoing almost nothing is blocked
[10:13] <Tonio_> allee: pv
[10:23] <Tonio_> allee: I agree that's irritating ;)
[10:35] <pygi> Riddell, poke
[10:46] <kwwii> hrm, why doesn't my kmail do spell chekcing anymore?
[10:46] <kwwii> it says I need to add either ispell or aspell to my path
[10:46] <kwwii> but I have aspell-en installed
[10:47] <kwwii> kwwii@isaac:~$ which aspell
[10:47] <kwwii> /usr/bin/aspell
[10:47] <kwwii> kwwii@isaac:~$ echo $PATH
[10:47] <kwwii> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[10:48] <kwwii> drunkenlogger: what the fsck is up with this amarok crap? (/me loves giving drunk people shit)
[10:49] <drunkenlogger> which amaroK crap?
[10:49] <kwwii> sorry, just seeing if I could provoke you :-)
[10:49] <kwwii> I note how you spell it correctly, nicely done :-)
[10:49] <pygi> kwwii, will you be able to provide me assistance with artwork for bzr-ui? :)
[10:49] <kwwii> bzr-ui?
[10:50] <kwwii> what is it?
[10:50] <drunkenlogger> kwwii: peeh, after working 4 days, day and night (with less than enough sleep) provking me is quite hard :P
[10:50] <kwwii> drunkenlogger: lol, I know the feeling
[10:50] <kwwii> congrats on getting the release out the door
[10:50] <pygi> kwwii, well Bazaar Graphical User Interface :)
[10:50] <drunkenlogger> kwwii: hehe, thanks :)
[10:50] <kwwii> pygi: wow, sounds scary, what is it
[10:51] <pygi> kwwii, argh, its not that scary :)
[10:51] <pygi> well, bazaar is RCS, and GUI is just GUI :P
[10:51] <kwwii> I'll help in any way I have time to help :-9
[10:51] <pygi> hehe :)
[10:52] <pygi> oki, thanks :)
[10:52] <kwwii> can you point me to any information?
[10:52] <pygi> eh, nothing is needed at this moment...
[10:52] <pygi> I'll help in any way I have time to help :-9
[10:52] <pygi> argh, wrong paste :P
[10:52] <kwwii> lol
[10:52] <pygi> http://bazaar-vcs.org/GraphicalUserInterface
[10:52] <pygi> kinda outdated and all, but still :)
[10:53] <kwwii> pygi: love to help
[10:53] <kwwii> we can even update the website :-)
[10:53] <pygi> thanks :-P
[10:53] <pygi> and even make a proper UI :-)
[10:53] <kwwii> deal :-)
[10:54] <pygi> anything I can do for you? :)
[10:54] <kwwii> tell mark to extend my contract :-)
[10:54] <kwwii> jsut kidding
[10:54] <kwwii> s/jsut/just
[10:55] <pygi> I am sure he will :P
[11:20] <robotgeek> Riddell: ping, do you still need someone to apply?
[11:20] <pygi> robotgeek, for  what? :-/
[11:21] <robotgeek> pygi: kubuntu-docs
[11:21] <pygi> ah
[11:21] <robotgeek> he had a patch, i think it has been applied. just making sure
[11:31] <Riddell> robotgeek: no, thanks
[11:32] <pygi> Riddell, it seems you'll be getting KDE interface for Bzr after all :)
[11:32] <Riddell> oh?
[11:32] <robotgeek> Riddell: sorry, but was away from computer for past 2 days
[11:32] <pygi> Riddell, yea, I'll be implementing it :)
[11:33] <Riddell> pygi: cool
[11:33] <Riddell> pygi: just for kicks?
[11:33] <pygi> hm, what do you mean? :-/
[11:35] <pygi> Riddell, any explanation? :)
[11:38] <Riddell> pygi: what made you decide to do that?
[11:38] <pygi> Riddell, well, I wanna get more involved into KDE community :)
[11:39] <pygi> 0
[11:39] <pygi> e0
[11:39] <Riddell> excellent
[11:39] <pygi> argh, damn keyboard :)
[11:40] <Riddell> presumably you've done python before, done any qt/kde?
[11:40] <pygi> I have never really been involved with KDE, and this should be a good start (together with Amarok gst)
[11:40] <pygi> Riddell, yes, ofcourse...just never anything for KDE :)
[11:40] <pygi> argh, wrong typing...nothing that was part of KDE in any way...mostly applications I needed, etc.
[11:42] <pygi> no worries, it'll all be good :)
[11:43] <ach> hi raphink
[11:44] <raphink> hi ach
[11:44] <kwwii> ach du schiesse
[11:44] <kwwii> :-)
[11:44] <kwwii> sorry
[11:44] <pygi> :)
[11:44] <kwwii> couldn't help myself
[11:44] <raphink> kwwii: pfff
[11:44] <ach> kwwii: np ;)
[11:44] <kwwii> allee is so much nicer
[11:44] <robotgeek> dot.kde.org opens up career prospects. looks...
[11:45] <kwwii> that is a saying I have learned since I lived in Germany
[11:45] <kwwii> not my fault
[11:45] <ach> kwwii: yes, but I don't remember my freenet pw.  Thx to kdewallet ;)
[11:45] <kwwii> lol
[11:45] <kwwii> rotfl
[11:45] <kwwii> now that is good
[11:45] <kwwii> sounds like me
[11:45] <Riddell> robotgeek: hmm?
[11:46] <robotgeek> http://dot.kde.org/1147698188/ has a company interview. went to their website, and guess what: they have an opening in my area :)
[11:48] <pygi> Riddell, what are we to do with all those Kubuntu applications? :-/
[11:48] <pygi> I don't think that guy who appeared yesterday is capable of doing such a complex and "much thinking needed" task :-/
[11:48] <pygi> and the other guy for formatting isnt responding
[11:50] <DaSkreech> Where did kalimoto-miracle- lemon.ogg come from?
[11:51] <kwwii> no idea
[11:51] <kwwii> but I have been thinking of how to add a kubuntu ogg file
[11:51] <kwwii> unfortunatley my son does not play guitar well enough yet
[11:51] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Again?
[11:52] <DaSkreech> A Theora ogg file?
[11:52] <kwwii> DaSkreech: no idea where it comes from...just pulling shit out of my ass
[11:52] <kwwii> well, it is an ogg
[11:52] <kwwii> so yeah
[11:53] <DaSkreech> It could be a vorbis file
[11:56] <ach> Taya: ping
[11:56] <Taya> pong
[11:57] <ach> Now I've (allee) have some spare time for your questions
[11:57] <Taya> thx
[11:57] <Taya> i have a loooooots of questions..
[11:57] <Taya> :)
[11:58] <ach> oh, oh
[11:58] <AlinuxOS> Taya, mamma mia :)
[11:58] <Riddell> pygi: if you don't think he's capable then don't give him your points
[11:58] <AlinuxOS> Girl Rulez! :)
[11:58] <pygi> Riddell, ergh, I just wanted your opinion :-/
[11:58] <ach> if it's not -devel releated we better with to other channel (maybe #kubuntu?)
[11:58] <Taya> lcd problem.
[11:59] <kwwii> DaSkreech: good point, no idea
[11:59] <Taya> i on;t know what problem it is..
[11:59] <DaSkreech> Who is in charge of System Settings?
[11:59] <Riddell> pygi: I don't disagree with you :)
[11:59] <kwwii> DaSkreech: god
[11:59] <pygi> Riddell, nice then :)
[11:59] <pygi> then we should vote him down :P
[12:00] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Normally has better work :-(
[12:00] <pygi> Riddell, perhaps he is capable enough to do that Wine stuff tho? :-/
[12:00] <kwwii> DaSkreech: what don't you like?
[12:01] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Two things
[12:01] <DaSkreech> One is that it's unusable with the keyboard
[12:01] <kwwii> which is a totally valid point
[12:01] <kwwii> probably the best I have heard yet
[12:03] <DaSkreech> Second is that when you search for things then tabbing should only go to valid choices not through everything as if you didn't just search
[12:03] <Taya> arch: >> #kubuntu channel >>  questions