[00:00] <naamunah> sarnold, later gets connected .. .. looks a bit unstable
[00:02] <naamunah> sarnold, also it should be 1Gig connection but now showing only 100mbit .. when it worked it showed 1 Gig
[00:04] <naamunah> sarnold, dns not working also .. so it is not working .. or I have few wrong settings ..
[00:11] <UbuntuGuy27347> hey everyone, I had a quick question with the css default theme for ubuntu 18.04
[00:11] <UbuntuGuy27347> https://i.imgur.com/zjb8RwQ.png
[00:12] <UbuntuGuy27347> how can I change that orange? I can't find it in the css
[00:14] <sarnold> naamunah: dang, alright, try replacing the ExecStart line with this:  ExecStart=/bin/bash -c "echo 0bda:8153:k > /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/quirks"
[00:15] <sarnold> naamunah: (don't forget the systemctl daemon-reload after the edit)
[00:26] <naamunah> sarnold, I suppose still something is missing .. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Wt6vZYWPVj/ .. here all with what all I played
[00:28] <sarnold> naamunah: hmm, line 62 of the paste -- I'm surprised there's no quotes on that line -- are there quotes in the dell-quirks.service file?
[00:28] <sarnold> oh waiit there they are on line 51
[00:28] <sarnold> waaaaat is going on
[00:30] <naamunah> sarnold, it keeps showing .. connecting .. and in the log it is like this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nr4GJDxtNC/
[00:31] <naamunah> and keeps getting the message connection failed
[00:32] <materialranger> I'm on 18.04 and trying to install emacs. It installs just fine, but I seem to have emacs terminal as an application in my dock. I can't seem to get rid of it, even if I uninstall emacs.
[00:33] <materialranger> Does anyone know how I can get rid of that?
[00:35] <sarnold> naamunah: btw you may still need to connect your device only *after* the dell-quirks.service has run, during boot
[00:35] <sarnold> naamunah: I don't know when in the USB device lifecycle those things are consulted, but I'd expect them to be consulted only during device detection / configuration
[00:36] <naamunah> sarnold, you mean disconnect USB and reboot the laptop and then reconnect the USB?
[00:36] <sarnold> naamunah: no, just disconnect and reconnect it now; and every time you reboot
[00:39] <materialranger> Ah, it seems there's a desktop entry for emacs25-term in /usr/share/applications. Is it okay to delete this to get rid of the emacs terminal entry from the applications list?
[00:40] <sarnold> materialranger: it'll come back on package updates; that's not so bad, of course, just something to be aware of
[00:41] <materialranger> sarnold: is there a way to permanently get rid of that desktop entry?
[00:41] <materialranger> I kind of hate how I can accidentally launch a terminal instance of emacs.
[00:42] <sarnold> materialranger: dpkg-divert might be able to do it
[00:44] <materialranger> sarnold: this may come from my very limited knowledge of how the ubuntu software center works, but if I install emacs from there it only installs the gui version.
[00:44] <jak2000> how to install teamviewer?
[00:44] <materialranger> Is it not using apt to install emacs?
[00:46] <sarnold> materialranger: well, that's a good point, I hadn't considered that maybe you installed an emacs snap instead of an emacs deb -- but I don't think the snap could install a file into /usr/share/applications/ -- so if that's the .desktop file you need to remove, then it'll have been installed via apt, not via snap
[00:46] <shinobi> What is casper?
[00:46] <jak2000> i download from teamviewer.com ubuntu .deb file x64
[00:46] <shinobi> Don't say a friendly ghost...
[00:46] <materialranger> sarnold: Oh yeah, I installed via apt originally.
[00:46] <jak2000> https://download.teamviewer.com/download/linux/teamviewer_amd64.deb
[00:47] <materialranger> The software center uses snap then? Is there an advantage to using snap over apt for package management?
[00:47] <sarnold> materialranger: snaps don't depend on the contents of debs, and they use the contents of other snaps in controlled ways, so it's easier to keep snap applications updated with the latest releases from upstream developers
[00:48] <sarnold> materialranger: I think the software center should be able to do both, maybe it can also install flatpaks, which are similar to snaps
[00:48] <materialranger> So are snaps preferred then?
[00:48] <sarnold> materialranger: snaps also come with some security policy mechanisms to try to make it safer to install packages that live outside the debian and ubuntu archives
[00:49] <sarnold> materialranger: it's more of an individual choice at the moment, I think; there's parts of snaps I like and parts I don't like
[00:49] <materialranger> That's kind of slick. I'm very new to snaps.
[00:49] <jak2000> how to install a .deb file?
[00:49] <sarnold> jak2000: dpkg -i foo.deb
[00:49] <materialranger> Thanks for the help :)
[00:50] <jak2000> sarnold: https://paste.debian.net/1140449/
[00:50] <jak2000> error...
[00:51] <sarnold> jak2000: install those packages with apt, then try again
[00:52] <jak2000> apt install teamviewer.deb  ?
[00:52] <sarnold> jak2000: does that work? I've never tried apt on local files ..
[00:55] <jak2000> sarnold: https://paste.debian.net/1140450/
[00:55] <matsaman> jak2000: you need graphical remote control?
[00:56] <jak2000> yes
[00:56] <jak2000> i have no controll on routers, and other things
[00:56] <sarnold> jak2000: what's the output of apt-cache policy libqt5gui5 ?
[00:57] <jak2000> https://paste.debian.net/1140451/
[00:58] <sarnold> jak2000: does your system have universe configured? that package looks like it should be available for all versions of ubuntu still in standard support https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libqt5gui5
[01:09] <jak2000> man need download libqt5gui5 ?
[01:10] <sarnold> jak2000: yes, and a dozen other pacakges -- do you have universe configured?
[01:10] <sarnold> jak2000: try this: sudo apt-add-repository universe ; sudo apt install ./teamviewer_amd64.deb
[01:15] <p0a> Hello my updater says to update oracle VM virtualbox
[01:15] <p0a> but I want it removed from the system because my installation was broken for some reason
[01:15] <p0a> how can I just remove it so that the updater doesn't try to update it?
[01:19] <sarnold> p0a: dpkg -l | grep -i box   will probably help you find the package names, then you can use apt-get purge on those package names to get rid of the packages
[01:21] <p0a> I just realized that somehow virtualbox is working on my system now
[01:21] <p0a> so maybe I'll just update it instead of removing it. I have no idea how that happened
[01:22] <p0a> should keep dpkg -l in mind though, that's neat
[01:38] <jak2000> sarnold https://paste.debian.net/1140461/
[01:43] <sarnold> jak2000: alright, try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install /home/kivy/Downloads/teamviewer_15.4.4445_amd64.deb
[01:52] <jak2000> sarnold: https://paste.debian.net/1140468/
[01:55] <sarnold> jak2000: alright, how about sudo apt --fix-broken install then?
[01:57] <cluelessperson_> So, ubuntu is generally behaving extremely well.
[01:58] <cluelessperson_> but I am experiencing a lot of slowness around the UI a bit, how can I improve that?
[01:59] <maxrazer> cluelessperson_, I tried ubuntu and I think I had issues with the UI being slow and locking up. I don't use Ubuntu. I use Debian with XFCE, but there is Xubuntu
[02:00] <cluelessperson_> maxrazer, so that's why I went to debian xfce for a couple of months, but frankly, I love the polished features that ubuntu has.
[02:01] <maxrazer> cluelessperson_, I'm not sure what the polished features are. I don't want snaps though. You could try Xubuntu.
[02:02] <maxrazer> Seems pretty crazy the UI would be slow given how long Ubuntu has been around.
[02:02] <cluelessperson_> maxrazer, I dislike snaps too, I generally avoid those, but I like that a lot of things are configured for me, audio, screen, hdi, bluetooth, touch screen, it just feels easier to work generally.
[02:02] <cluelessperson_> maxrazer, I'm thinking it's probably a specific thing that's slow and I'm trying to figure out how to fix it.
[02:03] <maxrazer> It probably is a specific thing. There is also the GPU and what driver version maybe. I'm using Nvidia 440.64
[02:03] <jak2000> sarnold: done without errors
[02:04] <jak2000> noew:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install /home/kivy/Downloads/teamviewer_15.4.4445_amd64.deb      ?
[02:04] <maxrazer> I don't use bluetooth much, but I think there was a GUI tool I downloaded that made it work fine. The audio is configured on Debian. I use testing or unstable though. I did have a few lock up issues with unstable actually, but most say it runs fine.
[02:05] <jak2000> installed :)
[02:05] <jak2000> donee.... thanks thanks my frienddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd sarnold
[02:07] <jak2000> sarnold resume:  1) sudo apt-add-repository universe ; sudo apt install ./teamviewer_amd64.deb 2) sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install /home/kivy/Downloads/teamviewer_15.4.4445_amd64.deb  3)  sudo apt --fix-broken install
[02:07] <sarnold> jak2000: sweet :)
[02:07] <sarnold> jak2000: skip this step: sudo apt install ./teamviewer_amd64.deb
[02:09] <jak2000> okay
[02:13] <WoC> Which ubuntu version is the highest one that still has x86 support ?
[02:14] <cluelessperson_> yeah, I feel like there's a constant lag.
[02:14] <cluelessperson_> I open the drop down terminal, it literally takes 1 full second to show the animation
[02:14] <WoC> always, lag is always strong with irc
[02:15] <WoC> 16 or 18 ?
[02:16] <sarnold> WoC: that's a bit tough to answer; 18.04 LTS will have support the longest..
[02:16] <cluelessperson_> Ubuntu 19.10 - Intel® Core™ i5-8265U CPU @ 1.60GHz × 8  - Intel® UHD Graphics (Whiskey Lake 3x8 GT2)
[02:16] <WoC> i meant for x86 (32 bit)
[02:17] <WoC> or in other words, to which version can i upgrade my x86 ?
[02:18] <WoC> the upgrade to 16 is in pregress, i started at 11
[02:18] <sarnold> WoC: ah, 16.04 LTS is the last LTS where we prepared .iso install images. but 18.04 LTS should have most? all? of the 32 bit packages, right?
[02:19] <WoC> ok, so i should be able to get it to 18
[02:19] <WoC> do-release-upgrade, method
[02:19] <sarnold> WoC: yes
[02:19] <WoC> Great :)
[02:20] <WoC> Maybe i can even get the graphics drivers for it ;) unlikely but maybe
[02:26] <jak2000> https://pasteboard.co/J3R9HPrU.png     how to change the color red (Error Message)....
[02:29] <sarnold> jak2000: what's your goal? to get rid of the colours in your terminal? get rid of colours from pip commands? get rid of specifically pip error colours?
[02:29] <jak2000> yes
[02:29] <jak2000> the error color
[02:29] <jak2000> red is impossible see... i want change the color red, of terminal is possible?
[02:29] <sarnold> it depends on your terminal; most do allow you to change your colours
[02:29] <sarnold> what terminal are you using?
[02:30] <jak2000> how to check?
[02:32] <sarnold> ps auxw  will show you all the processes you're running -- hopefully the terminal name will stand out
[02:32] <Bashing-om> jak2000: ' echo $TERM ' too.
[02:33] <sarnold> Bashing-om: woah really?
[02:34] <jak2000> echo $TERM : command not found
[02:34] <Bashing-om> sarnold: Uh huh " sysop@x1804mini:~$ echo $TERM >> xterm-256color
[02:34] <Bashing-om> "
[02:34] <sarnold> Bashing-om: and are you actually using xterm, and not a derivative?
[02:34] <cluelessperson_> maxrazer, I changed some settings, installed some drivers for various things, and the ui is far more responsive.
[02:34] <jak2000> sorry: xterm-256color
[02:34] <sarnold> Bashing-om: there's soooo many terminals out there, I'd be surprised if they all had correct termcap entries :)
[02:35] <maxrazer> cluelessperson_, Newer video drivers?
[02:37] <sarnold> jak2000: if you're running xterm, you can configure colours by setting X Resource properties https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xterm#Colors  https://ethanschoonover.com/solarized/
[02:38] <jak2000> ok, thanks
[02:38] <cluelessperson_> maxrazer, I changed a video driver setting.  but, yeah
[02:38] <blahboybaz> The sortcut for switching workspace and moving a window to another workspace seems to have an additional shortcut than what is shown in settings. This 'other' shortcut (shift+ctrl+alt+uparrow/downarrow)  is confilicting with another application. I would rather not change the shsorcut in the application.  Is there a way to eliminate that shift+ctrl+alt+uparrow/downarrow  shortcut in the system so the application can use it? super
[02:38] <blahboybaz> +pageup/pagedown  and shift+super+pageup/pagedown works fine and does not conflict wtih my application. Cant the former be eliminated and the later just be the shortcut for that?
[02:38] <cluelessperson_> it's not perfect yet.
[02:38] <blahboybaz> woops! my bad
[02:39] <maxrazer> Oh, it was a setting. I wonder what. I don't change much in the way of settings, except refresh rate or resolutin.
[02:39] <cluelessperson_> maxrazer, I think something along the lines of "modesetting"
[02:39] <cluelessperson_> uncertain.
[02:40] <maxrazer> Mode setting reminds me of when a non-optimized driver is used like the open source driver instead of proprietary for nvidia.
[02:46] <blahboybaz> Why are there hiddend shortcuts other than what's shown for that item in settings?
[02:46] <blahboybaz> Settings says one shortcut (that works) then there is another shortcut for the same thing that is not shown in settings
[03:12] <blahboybaz> gsettings list-keys org.gnome.desktop.wm.keybindings | grep workspace  shows move-to-workspace-up  Does this key correspond to moving the active window to workspace up?
[03:12] <blahboybaz> Does anyone know?
[03:19] <blahboybaz> Well I managed to completely disable moving windows to workspaces up or down with shortcut keys. Not what I intended but at least I can use the shorcuts I need in my other application
[03:21] <blahboybaz> no I was wrong they both work as I wanted
[03:21] <blahboybaz> thanks guys
[03:30] <AssociateX> Hello people! For anyone who has helped me on my new install after my self inflicted crash, thank you!
[03:36] <Thanos> hi.
[04:13] <scottbert> Hello! I used Rufus to make a liveUSB but when I boot from it it just says 'EFI BOOT' and then 'Remove this device and press any key to reboot'
[04:14] <scottbert> Google has never heards of this message apparently
[04:15] <abort_aba> scottbert: what OS did you copy to the usb?
[04:16] <abort_aba> write*
[04:17] <oerheks> try to boot in uefi mode?
[04:17] <scottbert> kubuntu focal fossa
[04:17] <oerheks> !uefi
[04:17] <oerheks> oh, and fossa is supported in #ubuntu+1, until release
[04:17] <scottbert> I told it to try both UEFI and Legacy... if I boot it in legacy, will the installed OS work fine in UEFI?
[04:18] <scottbert> Or will it require a legacy boot forevermore if it's installed that way?
[04:18] <oerheks> sure, it will work, see the uefi manual, disable fastboot and such
[04:20] <scottbert> No dice, legacy mode doesn't work either. Also the message is "EFI PART"
[04:21] <scottbert> WHich of course google can't find because it gets lost in people talking about EFI rather than having that specific message
[04:23] <abort_aba> scottbert: use dd instead
[04:23] <scottbert> This screen: https://www.dell.com/community/Inspiron-Desktops/Inspiron-530s-EFI-part-Please-remove-this-media-and-press-any/m-p/7504853
[04:24] <scottbert> dd to create a liveUSB?
[04:25] <abort_aba> example: $ sudo dd if=focal-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M conv=sync
[04:25] <abort_aba> yes
[04:26] <scottbert> I'll see if I can still boot into linux
[04:34] <abort_aba> scottbert: have you ever done a legacy boot into any OS on this same machine?
[04:34] <doug16k> theborger, you could poke around in /sys/class/hwmon and see if any look like what you are looking for. that's where it is supposed to put something like that
[04:35] <doug16k> (see sensors)
[04:36] <doug16k> theborger, https://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/hwmon/sysfs-interface
[04:37] <doug16k> the `sensors` program is picky, looking manually in there will expose more
[04:39] <doug16k> theborger, hopefully you find something like https://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/hwmon/sysfs-interface#473. or current above there
[04:46] <scottbert> the dd process just sits in disk sleep status
[04:46] <scottbert> @abort_aba
[04:47] <abort_aba> My dd example wasn't absolute. the command may need a little tweaking
[04:48] <abort_aba> are you currently on an Ubuntu machine?
[04:50] <scottbert> I'm chatting from a windows machine but I do have the ubuntu one running, now with a hung dd process that won't quit. I want to reinstall ubuntu on that machine, though
[04:50] <scottbert> I figured this close to release I may as well use focal fossa... but in any case, this "EFI PART' thing doesn't sound like a beta problem...
[04:50] <abort_aba> press ctrl+c in the terminal
[04:51] <scottbert> I did, it won't respond
[04:51] <scottbert> Tried killing it from system monitor or whatever it's called too
[04:51] <abort_aba> ctrl+z
[04:51] <doug16k> I'd look at the end of dmesg
[04:52] <doug16k> might say why dd is choking (hardware timing out or something)
[04:53] <doug16k> or modules crashing and dumping stack traces
[04:53] <Jordan_U> scottbert: Please pastebin the output of "dmesg".
[04:54] <abort_aba> could it be possible that he first needed to delete all partitions from the USB (void it)?
[04:55] <scottbert> when I went back into the other room it had finally terminated -- only console output was "Terminated"
[04:56] <scottbert> I've even tried Ubuntu's Create Startup Disk tool, and that didn't work either.;..
[04:56] <scottbert> I think this last attempt was made with Rufus from Windows
[04:56] <Jordan_U> scottbert: What value did you use for bs= with dd? Are you able to pastebin the output of "dmesg"?
[04:56] <scottbert> 4M
[04:57] <scottbert> Now that the process has terminated would dmesg still say anything useful?
[04:57] <Jordan_U> scottbert: Yes, it's a buffer containing logs of kernel messages. They will stay until there's too much to fit in the buffer.
[04:59] <abort_aba> My example more generally is: $ sudo dd if=[location of iso file] of=/dev/sdX bs=4M conv=sync
[05:00] <scottbert> I did change the filename to the correct one, yes. I'll switch to that computer.
[05:03] <Scottbert> https://pastebin.com/h0WdVLu6
[05:03] <Scottbert> The datatraveler mounted to, I think, /dev/sdf, is the USB drive I'm trying to make into a liveUSB to install from
[05:03] <Scottbert> It doesn't show in dolphin for some reason
[05:04] <Jordan_U> abort_aba: Seems odd to use conv=sync if you expect your input to be good.
[05:04] <abort_aba> In the terminal, I use: lsblk
[05:04] <abort_aba> $ lsblk
[05:05] <abort_aba> to determine my USB locations
[05:05] <Scottbert> Yes, that's how I found it appeared to be mounted to /dev/sdf
[05:09] <Jordan_U> Scottbert: I don't see any IO errors there, but there are a lot of messages that seem to be complaining about accessing the disk taking much longer than expected. I suspect that the drive is bad.
[05:09] <abort_aba> I assumed too much from the beginning. I apologize
[05:10] <Scottbert> How is creating a live USB so hard now...  The command I typed used /dev/sdf though
[05:11] <Jordan_U> Scottbert: Well if I'm right that your drive is simply bad, that would explain why it's harder. Also, please watch your language.
[05:11] <Scottbert> Ah, sorry. I've just had a frustrating day getting a windows machine set up and fighting with NTFS permissions
[05:12] <Scottbert> Hmm. KDE partition manager says the USB device has no partition table
[05:13] <Jordan_U> Scottbert: I saw in your dmesg that the device appears to have been plugged in and unplugged a few times. I assumed you had actually physically disconnected it. If not, then that's another indication of a hardware problem.
[05:13] <Scottbert> I did unplug and replug it a few times while wondering why it wasn't showing up in dolphin
[05:14] <Jordan_U> Scottbert: OK. It looks like it was plugged in 3 times since booting. If that sounds correct, then it's not an indication of bad hardware.
[05:14] <Scottbert> I guess the drive might be bad but I used it about a year ago no problem. I'd like to try one more time with whatever the most reliable method is, because my other known good USB is currently a windows install USB and I might need both.
[05:15] <abort_aba> It usually takes my write about 10-15 minutes for an .iso of approximately 4.0GB
[05:15] <Scottbert> 13 months ago I moved from windows to linux. Bad system drive, it seemed at the time, although that drive works fine and ANOTHER one died. I've now obtained an SSD, and am trying to set my system up to dual boot Win10 and Kubuntu, both with system partitions on the SSD, and using my current linux / partition for /home
[05:16] <Scottbert> Could dd have been doing things even though it showed up as disk sleep in the system monitor?
[05:17] <abort_aba> Is Win10 already on it?
[05:17] <Scottbert> So far, I've successfully installed Win10 on the SSD. Now I'm trying to complete the dual boot setup by reinstalling kubuntu...
[05:18] <Scottbert> The SSD has some 16 MB partition Windows made, then the windows partition, then empty space for the linux /
[05:18] <abort_aba> dd may have been writing to what was mounted as /dev/sdb
[05:19] <abort_aba> oops
[05:19] <Scottbert> What makes you suspect that?
[05:19] <abort_aba> I believe you already corrected me on that
[05:19] <Scottbert> I did not copy your command exactly, I changed the filename and the letter
[05:19] <abort_aba> right, i forgot
[05:20] <Scottbert> So, I seem to have a USB stick with a corrupt or nonexistant partition table. I also have an .iso. What's the most reliable way to get to a LiveUSB from here?
[05:20] <Scottbert> Assuming no hardware failure on the part of the USB stick, at any rate
[05:21] <abort_aba> I usually void my USB of all partitions using gnome-disk-utility
[05:21] <Scottbert> Wait I just mounted it in dolphin, how the heck
[05:22] <Scottbert> I'm having partition manager refresh devices to see if it says something different now
[05:25] <Scottbert> "No valid partition table was found for this device"... and yet, lsblk shows two, and I have one mounted right now and am looking at what you'd expect from a liveUSB
[05:26] <Scottbert> Ah, I see windows and linux are going to fight over the clock, too
[05:27] <Scottbert> So... Making a liveUSB. You reccomend dd but aren't sure of the best syntax to use? And are there any other steps that need to be done first?
[05:28] <abort_aba> can you install gnome-disk-utility on your current Kbuntu system?
[05:29] <abort_aba> maybe the bs= rate
[05:30] <abort_aba> try bs=512KB
[05:32] <Scottbert> Now looking at https://askubuntu.com/questions/372607/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-from-terminal which says a bunch of things
[05:36] <Scottbert> ...Huh. gnome disk utility sees a partition table... an MBR one.
[05:37] <abort_aba> It should show everything mounted, I believe
[05:43] <Jordan_U> Scottbert: What utility didn't see a partition table? Or did it just complain that the partition table had a problem? (It's expected for the GPT header to give the wrong size for the disk, because the image you're dding contains the partition table, and the image creators can't know the actual size of the disk you're going to dd to ahead of time).
[05:43] <Scottbert> KDE partition manager didn't see one
[05:43] <Scottbert> It said there was no partition table
[05:44] <EriC^^> can you pastebin "sudo parted -ls" output?
[05:44] <Scottbert> After diving down another rabbithole, I reformatted it and am having unetbootin create a liveUSB... or at least try to. Only way to know if it works is to reboot and try after.
[05:48] <Jordan_U> Scottbert: Once you have a LiveUSB created with unetbootin, we can check the md5sum of the squashfs image. If it's good, then the drive is probably (but not definitely) good. If it's bad then the drive is probably (but not definitely) bad.
[05:49] <Scottbert> Do I need to extract the ISO elsewhere for that or is it already written somewhere?
[05:49] <EriC^^> Scottbert: dd is pretty solid
[05:50] <Jordan_U> Scottbert: The md5sums are included for all files in the LiveUSB, to allow a boot time integrity check (optional, must be selected at boot).
[05:51] <Scottbert> What's the path for the squashfs?
[05:52] <Jordan_U> Scottbert: In fact, it should be easy to check all of the files in one go. That doesn't confirm that the partition table and filesystem are perfect, but it checks 99% of what we care about.
[05:53] <Scottbert> md5sum on casper/filesystem.squashfs is identical
[05:54] <mmiyamoto> Good morning
[05:54] <abort_aba> hello
[05:54] <Jordan_U> Scottbert: "cd /media/you/the_liveUSB/; md5sum --check md5sum.txt"
[05:55] <Scottbert> Looks all okay
[05:56] <Scottbert> So... if this actually works... and I'd like to keep my home directory... can I, from the liveUSB, go into my linux root, delete the other stuff, and change /home/scott to /scott before installing?
[05:57] <Scottbert> I *do* also have it all backed up to a tarball just in case
[05:57] <Jordan_U> Scottbert: Ahh, important point! We need to eject and re-insert the USB drive before checking the md5sums, otherwise we may just be getting data cached in RAM.
[05:58] <Jordan_U> Scottbert: Yes, you can. Just be sure that you give your new /home/ partition the mountpoint /home/ in the installer.
[05:59] <Jordan_U> Scottbert: (And carefully confirm that you have the "format" box *not* checked).
[05:59] <mmiyamoto> does anyone have any idea, after restarting the server (vmware esxi), the ubuntu virtual server can no longer restart it stops in initramf, I tried to start with a live version, however when I try to mount the LVM ext4 filesystem, the volume is activated, but ext4-fs bad geometry fails
[05:59] <mmiyamoto> 11987968 exceeds size of device (10939392 blocks)
[05:59] <Scottbert> Of course. It's checking sums now, taking much longer this time.
[06:00] <Scottbert> It's all OK
[06:01] <Jordan_U> Scottbert: Then your USB drive is probably also fine. If it doesn't boot, I'm not sure what to check next. Were there any unexpected delays from unetbootin as it prepared the USB?
[06:03] <Scottbert> seemed normal, copying squashfs took awhile but that's normal I assume
[06:04] <Scottbert> I'll reboot and let you guys know how it goes. Thanks!
[06:07] <scottbert> Hello from a windows machine in another room! Looks like it worked that time, booting now!
[06:10] <scottbert> So, something I was wondering for another project: How does a persistent Ubuntu liveUSB work? DO you just use the 'try ubuntu' option each time, but packages you install and changes you make stick?
[06:10] <scottbert> or is it more compolex to use than that?
[06:14] <scottbert> Hmm. I can't select files and press delete. What's the most expedient way to remove everything but /home from the old filesystem, while in the live environment?
[06:15] <scottbert> alternatively, could I try to JUST move /home/scott to /scott and then deal with the other files later without breaking things?
[06:16] <Jordan_U> scottbert: Did you boot using "try Ubuntu" or "install Ubuntu"? If you boot using Try Ubuntu then you can do anything you want with a normal Ubuntu desktop, then run the installer when things are ready.
[06:17] <oerheks>  persistent Ubuntu liveUSB  needs some preparation... https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/03/create-persistent-storage-live-usb-with.html
[06:17] <oerheks> not standard
[06:18] <scottbert> Hmm. Set aside the persistant topic for now
[06:19] <scottbert> I'm currently reinstalling kubuntu on another machine. I wish to put my / on a shiny new SSD, but keep my home directory on the old HDD
[06:19] <scottbert> So it seems like during install, setting the new / mount point and setting the old partition to mount as /home should work, BUT
[06:20] <scottbert> can I just go to the old root and sudo mv home/scott scott and then clean up the rest of root later? Or will linux freak out and be unable to use it as the home drive if it sees bin and stuff in there?
[06:20] <scottbert> Right now, I'm in the live environment
[06:21] <oerheks> so you are doing 2 installs simultaniously?
[06:22] <oerheks> keep it to one, please
[06:22] <scottbert> No, just the one. For context:
[06:23] <scottbert> A year ago I switched from windows to linux. I now have obtained a cheap SATA SSD and want to set it up as the system drive for a dual boot win/linux system -- and keep my old linux home directory from the HDD
[06:23] <scottbert> I have installed windows on the SSD and left room for the linux system partition
[06:24] <scottbert> I had some trouble making a liveUSB, but I got that working. Now I'm in the live environment, poking at my old / filesystem before I hit the Install button. I plan to put the linux root partition on the SSD, and make the old / HDD partition my new /home.
[06:24] <oerheks> that, i understand, so you want to clean up the hdd, and keep your home there?
[06:24] <scottbert> Sure, I COULD format it and then restore from backup, but I can do that anyway if anything else I try fails
[06:25] <oerheks> i would start fresh, much easier.. backup data, and restore afterwards
[06:26] <scottbert> so I figure I may as well at least give keeping the files a shot, as deleting and restoring from the backup I made yesterday is always an option later
[06:28] <Jordan_U> scottbert: There are a few ways you could do, what I would recommend as the safest I can think of would be 1: "cd /media/ubuntu/whatever" then "ls" to be sure you're in the root fs that will become /home/, then "sudo mv home/scott/ ." then "sudo mkdir stuff_to_delete" then "shopt -s extglob; sudo mv !(scott) stuff_to_delete/" that will use an extended glob to match all files/directories except "scott"
[06:28] <Jordan_U> and move them to stuff_to_delete/ . Then "ls" to confirm that you have only stuff_to_delete/ and scott/, maybe "ls scott" as well to be sure. Then "sudo rm -r stuff_to_delete". You could even leave the deleting of "stuff_to_delete/" until post-installation .
[06:29] <scottbert> Ah, globs are wonderful
[06:30] <Jordan_U> scottbert: As you can probably tell, the same outcome could be achieved with one command, but I don't trust my fancy globs to be correct when doing rm -r.
[06:32] <scottbert> Thanks again for all your help everyone!
[06:33] <Jordan_U> scottbert: If you have trouble logging in after your first boot, make sure that your old user scott has a UID of 1000 like your new user scott does.
[06:35] <scottbert> I have no idea how to check that...
[06:36] <scottbert> installer seems to have hung moving from software to disk setup stage
[06:37] <scottbert> nevermind it was juyst slow
[06:39] <scottbert> If I switch from nvidia to AMD in the future will I have to do anything before I swap the cards, or will it still display the desktop and such through a radeon with nvidia drivers loaded so I can swap the drivers after?
[06:44] <Jordan_U> scottbert: I would recommend removing the proprietary drivers before switching the cards (or just never installing the proprietary drivers if you don't need them). With the Free drivers autodetection happens at boot, so it doesn't matter how you change the hardware between boots. Proprietary drivers though are configured statically.
[06:46] <Jordan_U> scottbert: Also, if you didn't know, AMD's graphics drivers are an almost entirely Free stack, with just some optional proprietary bits that you likely don't need. That means that they work much better out of the box, and integration (and Freedom) is much better than with Nvidia.
[06:57] <mmiyamoto> good morning
[07:13] <scottbert> Yeah, that's one of the reasons I might switch
[07:13] <scottbert> So, is there a better way to configure grub2, that actually works, better than sudo nano /etc/default/grub?
[07:15] <oerheks> why do you need to edit grub?
[07:16] <scottbert> I'd like to have windows be the default boot option, so that if it installs updates while I'm AFK I don't come back to a different OS
[07:17] <oerheks> oke, then editting /etc/default/grub is the best way
[07:18] <Jordan_U> scottbert: That can be accomplished by changing GRUB_DEFAULT= in /etc/default/grub then running "sudo update-grub". If you pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cfg (or just the output of "grub menuentry /boot/grub/grub.cfg") I can help you figure out the right value.
[07:20] <scottbert> I'm good, it was choice 3, after kubuntu and kubuntu options
[07:20] <scottbert> At least, I'm reasonably sure. Thus why a nicer option to double-check would've been good, but rebooting is fast
[07:38] <scottbert> Hmm. Wine and steam are pretty broken, although they're some of the things I need least in linux I guess
[07:39] <scottbert> It's stupid late, I should just fix the boot menu and call it a night
[08:00] <mmiyamoto> does anyone have any idea, after restarting the server (vmware esxi), the ubuntu virtual server can no longer restart it stops in initramfs, I tried to start with a live version, however when I try to mount the LVM ext4 filesystem, the volume is activated, but ext4-fs bad geometry fails[2864.598363] EXT4-fs (dm-0): bad geometry: block count
[08:00] <mmiyamoto> 11987968 exceeds size of device (10939392 blocks)root @ kali: ~ # mount / dev / mapper / MIXsrv1 - vg-root / mnt /mount: / mnt: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on / dev / mapper / MIXsrv1 - vg-root
[08:09] <deadsec07> hello , sorry i m new here.tried to install nepenthes and found that it is obsolete and nothing is to be found anywhere.is there anyone that i can chat about this?
[08:09] <oerheks> mmiyamoto, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting for filesystem stuff, but i refuse to support kali
[08:09] <oerheks> good luck!
[08:09] <mmiyamoto> kali is live machine
[08:09] <oerheks> deadsec07, what is nepenthes?
[08:10] <mmiyamoto> not os
[08:10] <deadsec07> it is a honeypot
[08:10] <oerheks> oh, no idea, it is not in our repos deadsec07
[08:11] <oerheks> they have a channel here on #frfeenode:  #Nepenthes
[08:12] <deadsec07> earlier it was..back in 10 years ago , not it is not, :( , i could not find any PPA also
[08:12] <deadsec07> ok thanks, i willl check it.
[08:17] <prov> mmiyamoto: what do the partitions look like
[08:17] <prov> Could you reformat vg-root and reinstall just what's on vg-root that but leave the rest untouched?
[08:17] <mmiyamoto>  fdisk /dev/sda
[08:18] <mmiyamoto> size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[08:18] <mmiyamoto> impossibile to reinstall becouse (fuck old sys admin) install all in root derecotry
[08:18] <mmiyamoto> directory
[08:20] <mmiyamoto> Disk /dev/sda - 53 GB / 50 GiB - VMware Virtual disk
[08:20] <mmiyamoto> 8585 MB / 8188 MiB - VMware Virtual disk
[08:23] <prov> Is this just Ubuntu server Or a different distribution
[08:24] <mmiyamoto> ubuntu server
[08:26] <prov> No image backups?
[08:27] <mmiyamoto> no but i think if extend the volume
[08:27] <prov> If not the easiest thing would probably be to try and run some recovery tool on it mmiyamoto
[08:28] <mmiyamoto> partimage
[08:28] <prov> I would definitely do a backup so you have something to fall back on if something else goes wrong
[08:29] <prov> Extending the partition could work, anything to fix the superblock is hopefully all you need
[08:30] <mase-tech> how to make a snapshot on ubuntu server
[08:30] <mase-tech> a snapshot of the system
[08:30] <prov> You can just make a copy of the vmware image
[08:31] <prov> And then copy it back if you need to return
[08:31] <mase-tech> and if the server is not running in a vm
[08:32] <mase-tech> if you know timeshift
[08:32] <mase-tech> that is exactly what i want
[08:32] <mase-tech> unfortunatley it does not work on servers
[08:32] <mase-tech> no ?
[08:33] <prov> mase-tech: sorry I thought you were mmiyamoto, wasn't paying attention
[08:33] <prov> Is this a bare metal system?
[08:36] <prov> Would rsnapshot cover it
[08:36] <mase-tech> maybe rsnapshot can do it
[08:37] <mase-tech> but I do not know which folders I need to backup
[08:37] <mase-tech> to make the secure snapshots
[08:37] <mase-tech> the purpose of it is
[08:37] <mase-tech> that I want to try things out
[08:37] <mase-tech> which could harm the system
[08:37] <mase-tech> then i want a point to fall back
[08:38] <mase-tech> and not to reinstall everything
[08:39] <prov> What type of testing? Would you need to backup partition state, et. an.
[08:39] <prov> Al. Or just filled
[08:39] <prov> Files dammit
[08:39] <mmiyamoto> mase-tech now make one snapshot
[08:40] <prov> Also what filesystem mase-tech
[08:42] <mase-tech> I dont get it
[08:43] <prov> Would you need to do a full disk backup to preserve partitions (i.e. you will be editing your partitions) or just backup your files
[08:43] <mase-tech> it is about backup system relevant files
[08:44] <mase-tech> my case
[08:44] <mase-tech> fresh installed ubuntu server
[08:44] <mase-tech> take a snapshot
[08:44] <mase-tech> which i want
[08:44] <mase-tech> then install and config some stuff, where I could do things wrong
[08:45] <mase-tech> or loose track of what i am doing
[08:45] <prov> Ok, do you know which filesystem this is on or did you go with defaults
[08:45] <mase-tech> if something is wrong
[08:45] <mase-tech> go back to snapshoot
[08:45] <mase-tech> improve things
[08:45] <mase-tech> do you get me ?
[08:45] <prov> Yes
[08:46] <mase-tech> timeshift is exactly what i want
[08:46] <mase-tech> the problem is it does have poor comandline support
[08:46] <mase-tech> so it works only proberly on desktops
[08:46] <mase-tech> so for the last days I asked people and googled myself
[08:47] <mase-tech> rsync could be nice
[08:47] <mase-tech> BUT
[08:47] <prov> Timeshift uses rsync in the backend (unless your on btrfs) so rsnapshot would be the closest to that
[08:47] <mase-tech> it is not trival to make a backup from your system with rsync
[08:48] <mase-tech> ok
[08:48] <mase-tech> rsnapshot was also recommandand
[08:48] <mase-tech> but I didnt find configs for my purpose
[08:49] <prov> I'm reading the github for rsnapshot and it seems like you could just use the defaults
[08:50] <prov> Otherwise just something like make a tarball of the system
[08:50] <prov> Like tar cvfJ backup
[08:51] <prov> tar cvfJ backup.tar.xz /
[08:51] <prov> I think, clumsy fingers tonight
[08:54] <Guest75> Hey any of you know how to use udiskctl
[08:54] <mase-tech> prov, no
[08:55] <Guest75> udisksctl mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 lmao2
[08:55] <Guest75> shows me usage, I have used that command 20 times wondering wth;
[08:55] <mase-tech> I want snapshots
[08:55] <Guest75> then I did
[08:55] <Guest75> udisksctl mount -b /dev/mmcblk0p1 lmao2
[08:55] <Guest75> but it decided to mount my disk wherever it likes to
[08:55] <Guest75> how do I pull a gun on udisk2 and say this is where you mount it
[08:56] <Guest75> sudo mount -o user=guest75,group=guest75 /dev/mmcblk0p1 lmao2
[08:56] <Guest75> JU2 na 100% Jebać Udisk2 na 100%
[08:57] <Guest75> useless tool have to elevate to root anyway
[09:00] <prov> mase-tech: ok I'm not an Ubuntu user, I came here to help mmiyamoto and that's done and it looks like I can't help you so you're going to have to ask someone else sorry
[09:00] <prov> Good night
[09:01] <mase-tech> cucu
[10:01] <lord2y> o/
[10:02] <lord2y> I'm trying to disable  unattended-upgrades using dpkg-reconfigure
[10:02] <lord2y> if I do: dpkg-reconfigure -freadline unattended-upgrades
[10:03] <lord2y> saying yes/no I can choose whether or not disable them
[10:03] <lord2y> but using echo "unattended-upgrades     unattended-upgrades/enable_auto_updates boolean false" | debconf-set-selections
[10:03] <lord2y> and then dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive unattended-upgrades
[10:04] <lord2y> it doesn't change anything
[10:04] <lord2y> it seems dpgk-reconfigure picks whathever is the last value
[10:04] <lord2y> when I do echo ... if I grep -C2 unattended-upgrades /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[10:05] <lord2y> I see value is set to whatever I express into the echo
[10:06] <lord2y> but if I re-run the grep soon after dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive that value has changed
[10:06] <lord2y> any clues?
[10:08] <oerheks> lord2y,  would edit /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades >>>  https://askubuntu.com/a/1190969
[10:11] <lord2y> oerheks was getting there just wonder why that doesn't work (as explained here https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades)
[10:11] <oerheks> after edit, reboot?
[10:55] <padarc> hello guys, kinda new to linux/ubuntu. Where can i look how the default archive manager creates a 7zip archive (or zip or whatever) with a password? Like what encryption it uses. Screenshot what i'm talking about: https://imgur.com/2VELuGb ... just curious
[10:55] <padarc> (sry for bad english)
[10:57] <oerheks> AES-256 encryption, by default
[10:58] <padarc> oerheks, thank you very much :)
[11:11] <rainman> hi
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:28] <fabiom91> Hello, I have a flask app running on a ubuntu server and I have problems uploading large files through the app on the server. Can someone help me figure out if I'm missing something?
[12:39] <hay> hello everyone... I am trying to install mongodb-clients via apt, but it always wants to automatically remove unifi package... since unifi is using mongodb I don't see a logical reason why it should be removed when I install a mongodb client... is there a way to disable this automatic removal upon installing?
[12:48] <miu5> hi, what does it mean when you try to run ps -A and the terminal returns with "Killed", also log-rotate shows "Killed" in emails. ?
[13:01] <hexo> hi, how do i get rid of systemd-resolved ?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> hexo, why?
[13:37] <hexo> "why" is not an answer, thanks
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> !details | hexo
[13:41] <pragmaticenigma> hexo: sometimes a volunteer asks why not to criticize but to better understand what the goal/purpose of your question is. It helps to better formulate an answer that meets your goal and avoid suggesting things you might have already looked into.
[13:41] <hexo> thanks a lot, so, I was investigating, because I've read email about other distro migrating away from resolv.conf. Then I've figured out my ubuntu did that 3 years ago, and so that could explain some of my DNS problems, so I was wondering is this can be switched over back to resolv conf
[13:41] <hexo> then I've read even more
[13:42] <hexo> now I know ubuntu still has a resolv deamon from glibc, so it still reads and uses resolv.conf
[13:42] <hexo> unlike the other distro
[13:43] <hexo> the other distro has clean manual how to switch to "old" behavior
[13:43] <BluesKaj> hexo, systemd resolved can be edited and made useful by adding DNS IPs to it
[13:43] <hexo> so I am wondering if ubuntu can be switched back to not using systemd-resolved
[13:44] <hexo> in a same way as the other distro
[13:44] <pragmaticenigma> hexo: it can be, but then you would lose many of the other benefits that it provides. one feature of systemd-resolved is that it locally caches DNS requests. Reducing the amount of time if the same domain lookup happens multiple times within the Time to Live of the DNS record
[13:44] <BluesKaj> if you don't have any DNS entries in systemd resolved it reverts to your router DNS settings afaik
[13:46] <hexo> BluesKaj: problem is that it is still resolved through it (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[13:47] <hexo> i don't really get why caching wasn't added to glibc's resolver if this was the only this (it wasnt)
[13:47] <hexo> :D
[13:47] <BluesKaj> that's default, so why is that aproblem
[13:47] <pragmaticenigma> <IP_ADDRESS> is the local caching DNS resolver
[13:47] <hexo> pragmaticenigma: i know
[13:48] <pragmaticenigma> I'm not sure why glibc would cache anything... that's not its purpose
[13:50] <hexo> lol
[13:50] <hexo> so, how do you switch systemd-resolved off in ubuntu?:
[13:50] <hexo> same as in fedora?
[13:52] <pragmaticenigma> hexo: https://askubuntu.com/a/907249
[13:53] <hexo> pragmaticenigma: yes, thanks you very much!!!
[13:53] <hexo> that's just it
[13:53] <hexo> have a nice day!
[14:12] <noj357> hi, my desktop session (MATE) is randomly screen locking on me as im in a session and not idle.
[14:14] <noj357> any pointers?   Can anyone point me to where there's some docs on setting up a static ip on the host with a bridged network?
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> welcome jilocasin
[15:21] <oerheks> networkmanager would be the place to be
[15:23] <jilocasin> oerheks: that's where I started, but... no joy.
[15:24] <jilocasin> oerheks: I've managed to get a static bridge in netplan, but NetworkManager won't let me assign it to an ethernet connection.  Just to the physical nic (which of course is already being used by the bridge)
[15:24] <ducasse> jilocasin: https://netplan.io/examples#configuring-network-bridges
[15:25] <oerheks> i would mention netplan with my 1st question..
[15:28] <jilocasin> oerheks: sorry, I thought that was presumed with ubuntu 19.10.
[15:28] <jilocasin> ducasse: yes, I started there (hence the working bridge), do I need to use a VLAN?
[15:30] <Wulf> Hello! Where can I download the gcc-5 package version 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.11 for amd64?
[15:31] <Wulf> Is there an archive of all old ubuntu packages?
[15:31] <oerheks> it is in your repositories https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-5
[15:32] <Wulf> oerheks: I need that exact version, i.e. with suffix "11"
[15:32] <oerheks> not~16.04.11 but 12
[15:33] <oerheks> build it yourself ? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-5/5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.11
[15:36] <Wulf> oerheks: not an option, I would get sth else
[15:38] <oerheks> i find no .deb files, so it is your only option i guess
[15:39] <Wulf> Never mind, I think I found it
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> Wulf: specific reason you need that gcc version for?
[15:44] <Wulf> lotuspsychje: I've got a binary and a .c file. I'd like to know if that's the actual source or if there are some modifications like a backdoor
[15:48] <lcawte> Where does journalctl get logs from? I just did a distupgrade and I'm in my dedicated servers' rescue mode. Syslog is showing that it isn't starting, but, I need some more details in order to fix it...
[15:52] <Wulf> lotuspsychje: and looks like I got lucky. I was able to produce the exact same binary.
[17:34] <mekhami> This question may be off topic here, but is there any reason why music played on my Ubuntu boot is much much worse sounding than my windows boot on the same machine?
[17:35] <lordcirth> mekhami, worse how?
[17:37] <Edler> Hello guys
[17:37] <Edler> How can i install PHP 5.5.* on Ubuntu 16.04
[17:37] <Edler> ppa:ondrej removed it and i am forced to install it
[17:38] <mekhami> lordcirth: it sounds flat and tinny, like it's using a flat equalizer and maybe windows has a pre-configured one, not sure
[17:38] <Conjecture> What application would I need to change the color or "theme" of qt applications? (Kind of like how xfce provides a nice, simple and easy way to change the colours of everything)
[17:39] <lordcirth> Edler, are you sure there's no way to use a supported version? What app needs 5.5?
[17:39] <Edler> No i'm sure of it
[17:39] <Edler> The code is old and unupgradable right now
[17:39] <Edler> moving from an old 14.04 machine to a 16.04 one
[17:39] <Edler> if i put php5.6 the app crashes
[17:43] <Edler> no ideas?
[17:44] <pragmaticenigma> If the packages aren't available in the official Ubuntu repositories... then there really isn't anything anyone here can really help with. Using PPAs is at your own risk, and as you found out, subject to them decidign to make changes that impact your system
[17:46] <ioria> Edler, i don't know your specifics needs, but you can try a trusty container or build from source; https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/how-to-install-php-5-6-on-ubuntu-16-04/  ; https://gist.github.com/jniltinho/959f873a84b72ddd9fca2513a52a6b04
[17:47] <Edler> @ioria I also need lots of php5.5 packages such as php5-mysql etc..
[17:47] <Edler> so building from source won't work, will it?
[17:47] <ioria> Edler, you build what you need
[17:47] <Edler> I can build them all ?
[17:52] <temppy> hey guys, just wondering if anyone knows a fix for my issue: I installed the latest stable release of elementaryOS and it's not detecting my external display
[17:52] <oerheks> temppy, ask in #elementary ??
[17:52] <temppy> Oh... lemme try there thanks!
[17:52] <oerheks> have fun!
[18:24] <clime> how do i install package like this to ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ostree/2020.3-1 ?
[18:25] <donofrio> what is the lsof to find files that are in use to a port?
[18:26] <matsaman> clime: https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/SourcePackage
[18:26] <lordcirth> donofrio, "in use to a port"?
[18:27] <clime> matsaman: are you saying it is not prebuilt anywhere already?
[18:27] <matsaman> donofrio: lsof -i :80 for example
[18:27] <matsaman> clime: no I'm not
[18:28] <matsaman> I'm saying what you've linked to is not prebuilt
[18:28] <matsaman> clime: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=names&suite=all&section=all&keywords=ostree
[18:29] <sarnold> donofrio: I always use ss, eg ss -ntap or ss -tnlp depending upon what I'm trying to do
[18:29] <clime> i probably can install it from here?
[18:29] <clime> i thought i can just enable some testing repository and it will be there and then i can just do apt-get install ostree
[18:29] <clime> that's why i am asking
[18:30] <matsaman> clime: yes, the 'universe' repo
[18:30] <sarnold> clime: sudo apt-add-repository universe ; sudo apt install ostree
[18:30] <clime> ah nice
[18:30] <matsaman> you can see where it says 'universe' in the packages.ubuntu.com link
[18:30] <clime> and ubuntu does not have x86_64 builds? only amd64?
[18:30] <matsaman> they're synonymous
[18:31] <matsaman> AMD constantly changed the name for the arch during development
[18:31] <matsaman> but IIRC 'amd64' is the oldest of note, it's what stuck the most
[18:31] <clime> well, i thought x86_64 would be an intel instruction set
[18:31] <matsaman> Intel uses amd64
[18:31] <clime> whereas amd64 might be a bit different
[18:31] <clime> interesting
[18:31] <clime> hah
[18:31] <matsaman> it's a single architecture, originated at AM
[18:31] <matsaman> AMD*
[18:32] <clime> ok, good to know
[18:32] <matsaman> Intel was too slow and silly about it, so everybody adopted AMD's version
[18:32] <clime> that's surprising :)
[18:32] <matsaman> including Intel
[18:32] <clime> thanks
[18:32] <sarnold> intel invented the ia64 64 bit instruction set and absolutely *no one* used it. there were like 10k of those machines sold or something.
[18:32] <matsaman> early bird & that
[18:33] <clime> thx for info!
[18:33] <sarnold> oh wow, apparently it *was* over 100k units :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itanium
[18:38] <clime> well, i enabled the universe repository but it still installed ostree 2018.8 version instead of the new 2020 version
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> !latest | clime
[18:40] <matsaman> clime: again look at https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=names&suite=all&section=all&keywords=ostree
[18:40] <matsaman> clime: 2020 is only easily available for Ubuntu 20.04
[18:40] <FinboySlick> I have a weird issue on 18.04 LTS where 'service stop nginx' does not actually stop the nginx process.
[18:40] <matsaman> although packages.ubuntu.com only states that via its stupid codename, 'focal'
[18:40] <FinboySlick> Is that some sort of systemd 'feature' ?
[18:41] <matsaman> FinboySlick: what makes you think it's not stopped?
[18:41] <pragmaticenigma> matsaman: 2020 is being listed for a unreleased version... clime it will be released with the upcoming next release of Ubuntu in a few weeks
[18:41] <FinboySlick> ps xauw |grep nginx shows the same process with the same pid.
[18:41] <lordcirth> FinboySlick, look at systemd and nginx logs?
[18:41] <clime> ok, so i need to find some other way to install it
[18:41] <matsaman> FinboySlick: what if you 'kill' it?
[18:41] <clime> i have ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS
[18:42] <matsaman> clime: if you really need 2020
[18:42] <FinboySlick> matsaman: killing it works fine.
[18:42] <cyveris> clime: You should use the version of ostree that's provided for your release.
[18:42] <matsaman> FinboySlick: but subsequent service starts & stops have the same problem?
[18:42] <FinboySlick> matsaman: Correct.  Ironically, 'service nginx start' will start it,
[18:43] <matsaman> clime: or use the source package you linked to initially, or upgrade to 20.04, or wait & upgrade to it, etc.
[18:43] <matsaman> FinboySlick: which version of Ubuntu?
[18:43] <FinboySlick> 18.04 LTS (server)
[18:43] <clime> insteresting options
[18:44] <matsaman> FinboySlick: no error messages?
[18:44] <matsaman> clime: some distros/package managers make it a little more straightforward to jump around versions
[18:45] <clime> yes
[18:46] <FinboySlick> matsaman: I'm not that good with systemd, but 'service nginx status' has an error message of nginx complaining that the socket is in use.  Let me have a closer look.
[18:46] <matsaman> which could even lead you down to user space package managers, like nix
[18:46] <Jordan_U> FinboySlick: Looks like it's not a problem new to systemd: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/119037/why-doesnt-stopping-the-nginx-server-kill-the-processes-associated-with-it you can use "systemctl kill nginx", though you should probably try stop before going straight to kill.
[18:46] <matsaman> which I abhor, but it's a thing
[18:47] <isene> Since the gpu freeze bug in the 5.3.0-46-generic kernel (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1872001), I log in with 5.3.0-45-generic instead - which works just fine on my Dell XPS15. As new kernels come out, the 5.3.0-45-generic will be pushed off my grub login. So, how do I ensure the 5.3.0-45-generic kernel stays regardless of upgrades - how do I "mark" it as "please do not wipe"?
[18:48] <FinboySlick> Jordan_U: I'm debugging a deeper issue with certbot/letsencrypt.  It's using stop and start as its pre/post run script during renewal and that has failed rather specularly.
[18:48] <Jordan_U> isene: https://askubuntu.com/questions/779266/stop-apt-get-autoremove-from-removing-old-kernel
[18:48] <FinboySlick> *spectacularly
[18:51] <FinboySlick> Jordan_U: Alright.  Killing then starting nginx manually has 'restored' the situation to normal (stop/start works as expected).  Having letsencrypt perform it as part of its renewal process puts me in the 'failed' state (where stop will not work)
[18:54] <isene> Jordan_U: Thanks a plenty. I also added the packages linux-modules-5.3.0-45-generic linux-tools-5.3.0-45 linux-tools-5.3.0-45-generic just to be safe. But are those needed?
[18:54] <FinboySlick> Hmmmm...  If I rely on the PIDs, it seems the 'ghost' nginx is certbot not stopping its nginx process.
[18:59] <genii> FinboySlick: Did you use the certbot in repositories, or the certbot from Let's Encrypt? Because I'm pretty sure the Let's Encrypt version uses /etc/init.d/ scripts
[19:00] <FinboySlick> I used certbot from the repository.
[19:01] <FinboySlick> genii: It calls the stop just fine, what seems to fail is that it uses its own nginx process as part of the renewal and that process never terminates.
[19:11] <_alex> i tried to update apt-get update while wil it says "disco Release' no longer has a Release file." some thing change on the http server?
[19:12] <_alex> all repositorys in the list
[19:14] <lordcirth> !disco | _alex
[19:14] <lordcirth> Disco repos have been archived
[19:26] <C0nundrum> Is there a special option to allow nfs to grant access to supementary groups ?
[19:30] <sarnold> C0nundrum: I think nfs 4 can use ACLs, but I don't know how well that's implemented here
[19:37] <rfm> C0nundrum, there is the --manage-gids option to rpc.mountd but on my Ubuntu NFS server it's already enabled in /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server.  you might wasnt to read the rpc.mountd manpage and check the default file.  (I
[19:38] <rfm> C0nundrum, I'm so out-of-date on NFS I'm not even sure mountd is relevant as of NFSv4, you might have to go back to v3?
[19:41] <C0nundrum> hm, i see
[19:47] <cluelessperson_> ubuntu's being very slow ui wise
[19:47] <cluelessperson_> and I'm not sure what's causing it.
[19:55] <sgt_chuckles> Why doesn't the app bar change according to the workspace I'm in?
[20:37] <bitblit> trying to decide between tar and SquashFS for backups, any opinions?
[21:14] <Jordan_U> bitblit: tar.xz is more "normal", and with things like backups it's often good to not be too clever. The main advantage I can see to squashfs is that you'd be able to more quickly traverse through and access files in your backups, by mounting the squashfs image.
[21:53] <cluelessperson_> does anyone have any insight?
[21:53] <cluelessperson_> this is killing me
[21:56] <Jordan_U> cluelessperson_: You'll need to re-state your problem. A lot of people here now weren't here when you asked earlier.
[22:04] <codedmart_> What is a good swapiness setting for a laptop? Or why is sway performance so bad. I can't pinpoint exactly, but either from swap or tlp/powertop once cpu usage really gets going I start to get random less then 1 second freezes. It is really annoying.
[22:05] <sarnold> codedmart_: if this file exists, perhaps try this? echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/watermark_boost_factor  -- see comment 56, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1861359
[22:06] <cluelessperson_> I'm on Ubuntu 19.10, Gnome 3.34.2, Intel® Core™ i5-8265U CPU @ 1.60GHz × 8, Intel® UHD Graphics (Whiskey Lake 3x8 GT2)
[22:06] <cluelessperson_> however, my UI feels extremely slow, especially when opening for example, either full screen windows, maximizing, or my drop down terminal.  It seems to take 1-2 full seconds.
[22:07] <cluelessperson_> I have no idea what's causing the slow down and am looking for insight.
[22:08]  * cluelessperson_ has installed auto-cpufreq and is currently looking at adjusting it to make sure more cpu power is available
[22:08] <codedmart_> sarnold: Thanks I will try that.
[22:09] <codedmart_> sarnold: setting that in /etc/sysctl.conf to persist right?
[22:10] <pjs> when using the surf browser, and I want to upload a file via some web form, I can upload from various dirs but if I try my ~/Downloads dir, I get permission denied from surf. I think there is a system config file that's limiting surf ops but I can't remember where this is. Can anyone point me in the right direction? 18.04.4
[22:10] <sarnold> codedmart_: yeah, if it helps
[22:11] <sarnold> cluelessperson_: normally those sorts of things make the situation worse, regardless if you want faster processors or lower power use, etc. if you want faster, probably best to make sure you're using performance cpu governor and leave it at that
[22:11] <sarnold> pjs: check dmesg to see if you're getting apparmor DENIED messages
[22:12] <sarnold> pjs: or ps auxwZ to see if your surf process is confined with an apparmor profile
[22:12] <cluelessperson_> sarnold, that seems pretty dumb on a battery based machine.
[22:13] <pjs> sarnold: I'm seeing (enforced) after the surf process
[22:13] <sarnold> pjs: aha, dmesg may very well have DENIED lines then :)
[22:13] <sarnold> pjs: (or auditd logs, but most people don't turn those on)
[22:13] <sarnold> pjs: check /etc/apparmor.d/ then
[22:14] <pjs> sarnold: ok, I'm checking out the surf config in apparmor
[22:17] <cluelessperson_> sarnold, I'll test and review logs and see if that's causing this. :) thanks for the suggestion
[22:17] <cluelessperson_> didn't mean to sound so critical
[22:22] <pjs> sarnold: thank you! apparmor was the issue (and what I was thinking but couldn't remember it).. I figured out the config changes and all is well now
[22:22] <sarnold> pjs: woot, nice
[22:39] <cluelessperson_> sarnold, even with governor set to performance, max cpu freq and such, when I hit the Windows/Super key on the keyboard, it takes up to half a second for to start to transition
[22:39] <sarnold> cluelessperson_: ouch
[22:39] <sarnold> cluelessperson_: are you stuck using terrible graphics rather than accelerated graphics?
[22:39] <cluelessperson_> sarnold, possibly, how can I tell?
[22:40] <sarnold> cluelessperson_: what's glxgears report for fps?
[22:41] <cluelessperson_> sarnold, 303 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.481 FPS
[22:41] <cluelessperson_> sarnold, I'm currently reading about how p_state may interfere with governor settings
[22:41] <sarnold> heh, alright probably tnot it
[22:45] <cluelessperson_> sarnold, so, right now I have no way of even measuring these things, but when I hit the dropdown terminal key, or the super key, or when I'm waking up from screensaver/screen off, it's just obviously extremely slow, like up to several seconds to respond.
[22:48] <Jordan_U> cluelessperson_: Does "swapon -s" show you using any swap? Anything show up in "dmesg --human --follow" around when these hangs occur?
[22:48] <cluelessperson_>  /dev/dm-2                              	partition	999420	0	-2
[22:48] <cluelessperson_> used, 0
[22:49] <Jordan_U> cluelessperson_: Also, performance governor often *saves* battery, because it allows the CPU to run at full speed for a short period of time, then go into low sleep states for a longer time.
[22:50] <cluelessperson_> Jordan_U, just a ton of these messages
[22:50] <cluelessperson_> `i2c_designware.1: controller timed out`
[22:50] <theborger> hey guys I am trying to cp a file from one folder to another but its not being copied right for some reason i'm doing cp -R /path/to/file
[22:50] <Jordan_U> theborger: In what way is not being copied "right"?
[22:51] <theborger> Jordan_U: file size
[22:51] <theborger> in the first folder it says 10gb  when i cp it it says 0gb
[22:51] <cluelessperson_> theborger, ^ if you read your message, you don't provide the full command, nor do you even describe what the unexpected result is.
[22:51] <theborger> i even tried to mv it
[22:52] <cluelessperson_> theborger, how are you viewing the file/folder size?
[22:52] <Jordan_U> theborger: Please pastebin the exact command you're running, its full output, and the output of "du -h /path/to/first/ /path/to/second/".
[22:52] <cluelessperson_> ls -ahl ~/Sync     shows 4K
[22:52] <cluelessperson_> but
[22:53] <cluelessperson_> du -sh ~/Sync    shows 12GB
[22:53] <Jordan_U> theborger: Sorry, I meant to ask for "du -sh /path/to/first/ /path/to/second/".
[22:58] <cluelessperson_> Jordan_U, I'm noticing that literally everything is slow for an initial startup
[22:58] <cluelessperson_> I swear it feels like it takes a moment for it to "kick in"
[22:58] <cluelessperson_> I think we're on the right track.
[23:15] <sarnold> cluelessperson_: those i2c errors sound funny
[23:17] <cluelessperson_> sarnold, agreed, dunno what to do about it
[23:25] <pavlos> cluelessperson_: a directory starts at 4K so ls -ahl ~/Sync is correct
[23:32] <bitblit> thanks Jordan_U
[23:33] <cluelessperson_> pavlos, that's my point. :P
[23:42] <cluelessperson_> alright,   apt purge cpufreqd indicator-cpufreqd thermald
[23:42] <cluelessperson_> `lscpu | grep MHz` -> 800mhz
[23:44] <akem> cluelessperson_, If you have Windows on that machine try with it, or another Live USB distribution.
[23:44] <cluelessperson_> `/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq# cat scaling_max_freq`
[23:44] <cluelessperson_> 1.6Ghz
[23:44] <cluelessperson_> wtf
[23:45] <cluelessperson_> how can the kernel subsystem be set to 1.6Ghz, but lscpu reports 800mhz
[23:45] <cluelessperson_> and the minimum is 400mhz
[23:49] <codedmart_> How do I create a tunnel for my wireless? I want to bridge my wireless for lxc.
[23:49] <cluelessperson_> codedmart_, what do you imagine "tunnel" to mean?
[23:49] <pavlos> cluelessperson_: lscpu | grep CPU will show min/max
[23:49] <cluelessperson_> pavlos, min possible?  or min set?
[23:50] <cluelessperson_> pavlos, because it says min 400mhz, and max 3.9ghz, but currently 800mhz
[23:50] <codedmart_> cluelessperson_: So I tried using macvlan so I could expose ports between host/container.
[23:50] <codedmart_> But that doesn't work with wireless.
[23:51] <codedmart_> So I want to create another con that uses the wireless but seems like a wired.
[23:56] <pavlos> cluelessperson_: you're running cpufreqd, this governs CPU, there is min/max. Read on man cpufreqd ...
[23:56] <cluelessperson_> pavlos, I uninstalled cpufreqd
[23:56] <cluelessperson_> I thought
[23:59] <pavlos> cluelessperson_: ps aux | grep cpufreq will tell


[00:00] <sammm> Weirdly enough, I get a better signal with my 5 inch antenna than I do my 9 inch one
[02:11] <sammm> I have enough bandwidth to do some online gaming now :D
[02:11] <sammm> It's still not all that great, but it's bearable :)
[02:11] <sammm> And I can browse the web not too badly too
[02:11] <sammm> And I can stream 480p Youtube :D
[02:51] <shauno> think I'm finally done wrangling ip6tables for the evening
[06:48]  * czajkowski does a little dance!
[06:50] <danfish> czajkowski: an Irish jig no less ;)
[06:50] <czajkowski> danfish: can you blame me with that score :D
[06:51] <danfish> true.....but it was Russia
[06:52] <czajkowski> we're topping the pool
[06:52] <czajkowski> beat AU
[06:52] <danfish> mind you, if rugby goes the way of football, the Ruskies will have bought up every team in the UK ;)
[06:52] <czajkowski> shrup!
[06:53] <danfish> czajkowski: where does that put you for the knock out stages?
[06:54] <czajkowski> pretty good way
[06:54] <czajkowski> however we got the pasta folks next weekend
[06:54] <czajkowski> Potatoes V Pasta
[06:55] <danfish> hah
[06:55] <danfish> gnocchi - the best of both
[06:56] <czajkowski> Scotland V Argentina now
[06:56] <MartijnVdS> Don't gnoccit 'til you try it!
[06:56]  * danfish groans
[06:59]  * danfish received some infrared sensors from China off ebay - no datasheet included :-(
[06:59] <MartijnVdS> danfish: aren't IR sensors very simple things anyway?
[07:03] <danfish> MartijnVdS: fairly simple, but some info re required voltage, whether they need pull-up resistors etc would be nice
[07:05] <czajkowski> danfish: roll on 2015 eh
[07:05] <czajkowski> might even seen some advertising for the oval shaped ball in the UK!
[07:13] <danfish> I see Ireland's cunning plan of losing all their warmup games is working!
[07:17] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:24] <czajkowski> danfish: indeed!
[07:24] <czajkowski> we'll take a loss to England to thrash and wipe the smugness of Au
[07:24] <czajkowski> AlanBell: aloha
[07:27] <AlanBell> hi
[07:29] <czajkowski> AlanBell: so what are you up to this bright and sunny day eh
[07:29] <czajkowski> seemingly a heat wave next week
[07:41] <ging> how can you have a heatwave now?
[07:41] <czajkowski> I dunno
[07:42] <czajkowski> ask the weather man
[07:46] <ging> i don't trust him
[08:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] Rugby Rantings and Ravings pays off on iphone app - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/09/25/rugby-rantings-and-ravings-pays-off-on-iphone-app/
[09:29] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[09:30] <brobostigon> o/ MartijnVdS
[09:44] <pr0ph3t> hi all, does anyone have issues with the new ubuntuone frontend? It doesn't get past installation at the moment. I'm using Ubuntu 11.10 64bit
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: past installation?
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> It works fine for me
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> it doesn't do any installation?
[10:35] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, not it starts the installation, asks me for a pass and then crashes
[10:36] <pr0ph3t> it used to work, but then it stopped showing the account tab so I decided to remove it and reinstall it, something must haave gone wrong in the process
[11:03] <pr0ph3t> I managed to start it now but it says "The information could not be retrieved. Maybe your internet connection is down?" on the Account TAB, any ideas why?
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> strange.. I didn't need to install extra stuff
[12:10] <wayneandleanne> anbody know how to setup up pidgin for irc chat?
[12:10] <wayneandleanne> *anybody
[12:11] <penguin42> well, I'm here on pidgin on irc
[12:11] <wayneandleanne> penguin42: what settings did/are you using?
[12:12] <penguin42> wayneandleanne: Click on the Buddy list window, go to the menu bar Accounts->Manage Accounts and then add
[12:12] <penguin42> wayneandleanne: Then just select irc instead of aim or whatever
[12:12] <wayneandleanne> which server should i choose?
[12:13] <penguin42> well, what irc channels do you want to connect to - these?
[12:13] <wayneandleanne> this one
[12:13] <penguin42> wayneandleanne: Pick one from http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
[12:14] <penguin42> wayneandleanne: Not the ones in italic
[12:14] <wayneandleanne> done, thanks, but why not the italic ones/
[12:14] <wayneandleanne> ?
[12:15] <penguin42> according to that page those aren't happy at the moment
[12:17] <wayneandleanne> penguin42: thanks for the help
[12:18] <penguin42> no problem
[12:27] <wayneandleanne1> did it work??
[12:28] <wayneandleanne1> anybody know the command to switch nick's?
[12:28] <bigcalm> It is /nick wibble
[12:29] <wayneandleanne> bigcalm: Thanks
[12:29] <bigcalm> You're welcome
[13:11] <zleap> hello
[13:12] <zleap> how do i reinstall grub using a live cd as i installed windows on the first hdd and i think the ubuntu install is still intact on hard disk 2
[13:16] <zleap> hello
[13:18] <penguin42> I think you can run grub-install
[13:19] <zleap> ok thanks
[13:19] <zleap> so to install on hda1 i type grub-install /dev/hda1
[13:21] <zleap> hmm
[13:25] <penguin42> zleap: What's your partitioning like?
[13:25] <zleap> as in
[13:25] <zleap> i have 2 hard disks
[13:25] <penguin42> ok, and what's on each, what partitions?
[13:25] <zleap> first one is now windows,  the 2nd did have 10.04 on it,  its still there I think as i installed windows on first hard disk
[13:26] <penguin42> zleap: OK, and what do your partitions look like - one partition on each or do you have a separate /boot ?
[13:26] <zleap> i was going to just re-install but thought i would have a go to see if i can ge tit to boot before i do that
[13:27] <zleap> i think ther eis a separate /boot on the 2nd hard disk
[13:28] <zleap> i guess the bootloader used to be on the fist hard disk, as that had linux on too (two installs)
[13:28] <penguin42> ok, you need to check, is it /dev/hdb or /dev/sdb ?
[13:28] <penguin42> zleap: Either way can you pastebin the output of   cat /proc/partitions
[13:28] <zleap> sda i think has windows
[13:30] <zleap> http://pastebin.com/XHcDYB62
[13:30] <penguin42> ok, there is no separate /boot
[13:30] <zleap> ok
[13:31] <penguin42> zleap: OK, try this as root,    mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt      then    chroot /mnt      - does that look like your ubuntu install?
[13:31] <zleap> is it easier to just install normally
[13:31] <zleap> they are mounted anyway from the live cd
[13:31] <penguin42> well lets see if that pair of commands works - it'll only take a moment to try
[13:32] <penguin42> ok, great - now chroot into it
[13:32] <zleap> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ chroot /media chroot: cannot change root directory to /media: Operation not permitted ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo chroot /media chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
[13:33] <penguin42> sudo ....
[13:33] <zleap> i di d
[13:33] <penguin42> ok, what do you see if you ls /media ?
[13:34] <zleap> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ chroot /media chroot: cannot change root directory to /media: Operation not permitted ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo chroot /media chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
[13:34] <penguin42> ok, what do you see if you ls /media ?
[13:34] <zleap>
[13:34] <zleap>  failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
[13:35] <penguin42> no, don't do the chroot for a minute - what do you see inside /media ?
[13:35] <zleap> ia m sure there is a gui tool for this
[13:36] <penguin42> ok, you're best reinstalling
[13:36] <zleap> ok np
[13:36] <zleap> it was worth a try anyway, thanks
[15:12] <pr0ph3t> re all, just wondering if you people use banshee? Because on my side here it keeps hanging, but I thought maybe that's just me?
[16:20] <sammm> FFS my internet can't even stream 360p Youtube :(
[16:56] <gord> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nintendo-Wiimote-Nunchuk-MotionPlus-silicon/dp/B003QKQF4Q/ - erm.
[16:59] <bigcalm> Haha
[17:00] <bigcalm> That is a special one indeed
[17:06] <gord> its the embassador edition
[17:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Jorgenson Album Designer on Ubuntu - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/09/25/jorgenson-album-designer-on-ubuntu/
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> http://theyfightcrime.org/
[18:59] <exobuzz> oneiric beta2 is testing my patience - ever since the last batch of unity fixes (including xorg fix), compiz is being really unstable http://pastebin.com/L4xCYdEx guess i need to post a backtrace..
[19:02] <gord> rather more useful yeah
[19:46] <exobuzz> <3 weeks till oneiric release date. doesnt seem much time to fix all the issues. I hope (but doubt) ubuntu would release it later but fully polished, rather than something that feels "incomplete"
[19:46] <exobuzz> < 3 not a heart ;-)
[19:52] <exobuzz> just feels like a lot is incomplete/missing and 3 weeks isnt long. lots of popular apps miss integration with unity, making them unusable. broken accessibility with mousetweaks. stability of unity/compiz. missing usability things like having to install ubuntu tweaks to be able to change fonts/font sizes.
[20:01] <ali1234> exobuzz: i'm still waiting for issues in natty to be fixed. if they haven't been fixed in 5 months i doubt they'll be fixed in 3 weeks
[20:01] <exobuzz> ali1234, mousetweaks is broken still in natty :-)
[20:01] <ali1234> of course it is
[20:02] <ali1234> i don't think a single user visible unity bug in natty has been fixed
[20:04] <ali1234> how much does commercial ubuntu support cost?
[20:05] <ali1234> $105
[20:06] <StevenR> popey: ping?
[20:15] <AlanBell> exobuzz: what is the mousetweaks bug?
[20:16] <gord> huh
[20:16] <gord> i just upgraded ubuntu and firefox lost all my search engines apart from ask.com
[20:16] <gord> *puts on conspiracy hat*
[20:17] <pr0ph3t> hi all, banshee keeps crashing in 11.10, is it just me or is that the norm?
[20:19] <gord> ah good, its an old bug that happens with some localised package problems
[20:19] <pr0ph3t> gord is that referred to my question?
[20:19] <gord> nope
[20:20] <pr0ph3t> right
[20:22] <ali1234> AlanBell: it's a touchscreen related bug
[20:23] <ali1234> long left click to right click doesn't work in natty
[20:23] <ali1234> not actually ts related but that is where it has the biggest impact
[20:24] <AlanBell> works in Oneiric
[20:25] <AlanBell> in unity2d at least
[20:35] <AlanBell> and in unity 3d
[20:37] <AlanBell> the filling the mouse cursor up with orange bit doesn't work very well for me, but that could easily be graphics card dependent and I am running it in a VM
[20:44] <exobuzz> AlanBell, simulate right click doesnt work for me on oneiric. it doesnt work on natty, but thats likely another issue.
[20:44] <exobuzz> it didnt work for me in oneiric
[20:44] <AlanBell> worked for me just now
[20:45] <AlanBell> are you on a touchscreen?
[20:45] <exobuzz> and it's still broken on natty .. which was an easy fix that no-one cares to sort out :)
[20:45] <exobuzz> nope.
[20:45] <AlanBell> I was just using a mouse in a VM
[20:45] <exobuzz> ill try it again when i reboot, but i switched it on and it didnt do anything just now
[20:46] <exobuzz> thats one issue of many of course :)
[20:46] <AlanBell> of course
[20:46] <exobuzz> gord, a new firefox was just pushed out with the fix for the search engines
[20:47] <exobuzz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/858683
[20:48] <exobuzz> i like unity panel not to hide. i just opened thunderbird, and right now my thunderbird is underneath the panel, and a gap to the right of the window :/
[20:49] <exobuzz> can someone tell me how users with single click touchscreens are supposed to do the middle mouse click on unity btw ;-) emulation for right mouse, but unity decided middle mouse to launch "another" copy
[20:50] <exobuzz> also if i missed something regarding font sizes. is there plans for a font config app, or users have to install ubuntu tweak to play with fonts?
[20:52] <exobuzz> i think ill do xubuntu (xfce) for the next joggler release. should be easier to use i guess on the small screen.
[20:53] <ali1234> unity doesn't support touchscreens
[20:54] <exobuzz> i might try kde with plasma netbook interface also
[20:54] <ali1234> kde has a touchscreen interface now
[20:54] <ali1234> it has sliding panels and stuff
[20:54] <ali1234> like the android thing
[20:54] <ali1234> except you can slide it down twice
[20:55] <ali1234> which pretty much says everything about kde
[20:55] <exobuzz> thats different from the netbook one? what's it called ?
[20:55] <exobuzz> http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active ?
[20:56] <ali1234> yeah
[20:56] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GAFfjscVyg
[20:56] <exobuzz> thanks. must try that!
[20:57] <exobuzz> looks pretty decent
[20:57] <AlanBell> interesting point about middle click
[20:57] <AlanBell> that isn't an option in the hover click/dwell click stuff either
[20:57] <exobuzz> no. you cant simulate a middle click
[20:58] <ali1234> unity has loads of problems like this
[20:58] <AlanBell> that is a gnome issue to be fair
[20:58] <exobuzz> perhaps ubuntu should integrate easystroke type stuff.
[20:58] <ali1234> not really. gnome doesn't use middle click for an extremely important function
[20:58] <AlanBell> unity's issue that it uses middle clicks
[20:59] <exobuzz> click hold to move, maybe double click to launch another and single click to focus current running
[21:00] <exobuzz> the click and hold to move conflicts a bit with the right mouse emulation stuff too.
[21:00] <ali1234> unity still has no way to go directly to the instance of the app on the current workspace
[21:00] <exobuzz> you have to get the timing just right heh
[21:00] <AlanBell> yeah, double click instead of single click would be more intuitive and would be simulatable
[21:00] <ali1234> expose is useless when it brings up 10 terminal windows and you can't read any of the text in any of them, because it is too small
[21:01] <AlanBell> ali1234: alt-`
[21:01] <ali1234> does nothing?
[21:01] <exobuzz> ali1234, linus didn't like gnome3 with the clicking to bring up previous terminal instead of loading another
[21:01] <exobuzz> (gnome 3 shell)
[21:01] <ali1234> well gnome3 is pretty bad too
[21:02] <ali1234> i dont mind the expose feature
[21:02] <AlanBell> ali1234: if one terminal is focussed then alt+` should do like alt-tab does, but only within that application
[21:02] <ali1234> but pulling in everything from all workspaces is just silly
[21:02] <exobuzz> http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/08/linus-switches-to-xfce-calls-gnome-3.html
[21:02] <exobuzz> im guessing linus wouldn't like unity too
[21:02] <ali1234> AlanBell: it doesn't
[21:02] <ali1234> AlanBell: besides what use is that? it still doesn't tell me which terminal is the one on the current workspace?
[21:03] <ali1234> there is pretty much no reason to use workspaces because if you try, you will just get pulled all over the place when you switch between apps
[21:03] <ali1234> and you never know which workspace anything is on, or which workspace you are currently on
[21:03] <AlanBell> hmm, yeah, it does include them across different workspaces
[21:04] <ali1234> i just work around it by carefully arranging all windows so i can see a bit of all of them
[21:04] <ali1234> and ignore the launcher for app switching
[21:04] <ali1234> this is a trick i learned on windows 3.1
[21:04] <ali1234> i thought we would have moved beyond that nonsense
[21:05] <ali1234> also bamf still fails to match loads of programs
[21:06] <ali1234> so i constantly have a "?" icon for "everything else that we couldn't match"
[21:06] <ali1234> sometimes it misidentifies things to. i've clicked on the folder and got an xterm before
[21:06] <ali1234> and then wonder why it isn't loading a folder, since i didn't have any open
[21:06] <AlanBell> I am finding it a lot less crashy today
[21:07] <AlanBell> several times I have booted to a desktop and nothing crashed
[21:07] <ali1234> i can't use oneiric
[21:08] <ali1234> i need my computer to keep running for at least several days
[21:08] <ali1234> +1 tends to break really bad if you wait a week between updates
[21:08] <Azelphur> anyone know a decent mobo I can buy for a media center/mythtv?
[21:09] <Azelphur> I want lots of PCI and SATA for plugging in DVB and HDDs :)
[21:09] <ali1234> no
[21:09] <ali1234> use usb for dvb
[21:09] <Azelphur> :o
[21:09] <Azelphur> but then you can't get the entire mux, only a single channel
[21:09] <ali1234> wrong
[21:09] <ali1234> dvb mux = 27mbit
[21:09] <Azelphur> ok then USB it is \o/
[21:10] <Azelphur> mobo with lots of SATA? :D
[21:10] <ali1234> well doesn't that asus board have like 6 sata?
[21:11] <Azelphur> the one we use for bitcoin mining?
[21:11] <ali1234> yeah
[21:11] <ali1234> just use one of those
[21:11] <ali1234> or two
[21:11] <ali1234> or all of them
[21:11] <ali1234> make them all run mythbackend
[21:12] <ali1234> that's exactly what i do, except i only have 1
[21:12] <ali1234> plug in a usb tuner to each one
[21:12] <Azelphur> I want frontend too though
[21:12] <Azelphur> and a bit of gaming
[21:12] <ali1234> so use one for that
[21:12] <Azelphur> I want it to be quite beefy, as I say the P4 3ghz with 1GB of ram is just not cutting it
[21:13] <ali1234> you still have 7 left for backends
[21:13] <ali1234> those boards have onboard nvidia graphics right? use that
[21:13] <exobuzz> Azelphur, p67/h67/z68 come with a minimum of 6xsata some with more
[21:13] <exobuzz> you want mini-itx or microatx or ?
[21:13] <Azelphur> ali1234: for a bit of gaming?
[21:13] <Azelphur> nah, full size
[21:13] <ali1234> sure why not, it is nvidia
[21:14] <Azelphur> I want it to run dolphin
[21:14] <Azelphur> and stuff like that
[21:14] <ali1234> if you want it to be quiet you are not going to get better graphics than onboard nvidia
[21:14] <exobuzz> Azelphur, crossfire/sli etc and those things or just one beefy gfx card ?
[21:14] <Azelphur> exobuzz: one budget gfx card :)
[21:15] <exobuzz> i have a ~£100 mb http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=Z68%20Pro3
[21:15] <exobuzz> socket 1155
[21:16] <ali1234> i think those boards were like £28 or something
[21:16] <Azelphur> that looks ok, thinking I should go for AMD though rather than intel
[21:16] <Azelphur> because they tend to be cheaper, lower power, aiming at budget too
[21:16] <exobuzz> ali1234, sandy bridge onboard intel gfx is quicker than intel ion last i checked though
[21:16] <exobuzz> nvidia ion even
[21:17] <ali1234> but it still sucks even compared to nvidia integrated
[21:17] <Azelphur> need decent drivers so gotta be nvidia :P
[21:17] <exobuzz> ali1234, which integrated ?
[21:17] <ali1234> ion is a mobile gpu
[21:17] <exobuzz> intel drivers are decent on linux, just no opengl 3.0 etc which is a shame
[21:18]  * Lcawte still wants nvidia-96 to be updated ^.^
[21:18] <exobuzz> ali1234, which integrated gfx are you referring to. an example
[21:18] <ali1234> dunno. trying to find out what this board has
[21:19] <exobuzz> im running on sandy bridge now (intel hd 3000 or whatever), but of course i can add an nvidia card if i need at some point. not really gaming at the moment
[21:20] <exobuzz> (or at least not on games that require something better)
[21:20] <ali1234> ok this board has a Geforce 7025
[21:21] <ali1234> not sure if i believe that actually
[21:23] <exobuzz> ali1234, the intel graphics hd 3000 will be quicker than that old thing
[21:23] <ali1234> quicker for what though?
[21:23] <exobuzz> everything
[21:24] <exobuzz> http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3332/benchmarks.png
[21:24] <exobuzz> you can see from there roughly where it sits
[21:25] <ali1234> i could do if i knew what nvidia 320M was
[21:25] <exobuzz> http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/11
[21:58] <gibletparade> Hi
[21:58] <gibletparade> Anyone know of an IRC client that actually times out connecting to a server and tries another?
[21:59] <gibletparade> Trying to get onto ustream IRC but Xchat just sits there waiting on a dead server
[22:00] <StevenR> irssi ?
[22:01] <AlanBell> I never managed to get onto ustream irc
[22:01] <AlanBell> every so often I watch the jono thing, and spend the entire show trying to get connected because the web interface is horrible
[22:01] <gibletparade> I usually can but I think I must have got lucky with server loads
[22:02] <gibletparade> yes the web interface, with flash ads, flash video and flash ads and chat client and flash ads, is just too much for this webbook
[22:03] <gibletparade> ... so I watch video on my phone and (usually) IRC
[22:04] <gibletparade> Will try irssi, thanks StevenR


[21:55] <kramsmada> Hi all. I'm a new contributor and I was had a quick question. If I've filed a bug about an issue and created a branch with the fix, what's the best way to get it reviewed by someone?
[22:12] <jtaylor> kramsmada: kreate a merge request, there should be a link somewhere on the branch page
[22:13] <jtaylor> kramsmada: alternatively attach the debdiff to the bug and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[22:14] <kramsmada> jtaylor: Thanks!
[22:15] <kramsmada> jtaylor: So... this should get someone's attention eventually:  https://code.launchpad.net/~kramsmada/ubuntu/vivid/gnupg2/1407513-gpg-agent-set-ssh-env-vars/+merge/245538