[12:00] <bob2> whiprush: no
[12:00] <ogra> WW: ...tomorrow ?
[12:00] <Hikaru79> bur[n] er, it worked fine in Knoppix. But there were a lot of problems getting the Linux NVIdia driver to run in Debian :(
[12:00] <Hikaru79> Something about missing kernel headers
[12:00] <ogra> Hikaru79: its easy in ubuntu
[12:00] <Hikaru79> Spent a whole day trying to fix it, gave up, and switched to Knoppix HD-Install ^ ^;;
[12:00] <ogra> Hikaru79: no need to compile ;)
[12:00] <Hikaru79> OK, I'm convinced :)
[12:01] <georgia> out of curiousity, has anyone gotten maconlinux to work with warty?
[12:01] <Hikaru79> I'm gonna boot back into Knoppix for a few minutes to download and burn the Install CD :)
[12:01] <Hikaru79> later
[12:01] <bob2> georgia: yes, people have
[12:01] <ogra> georgia: there is a thread on the  ubuntu-users ML
[12:01] <georgia> okies i'll have a look there, thanks
[12:07] <tpdd> So can you use debian sources with ubuntu?
[12:07] <bob2> yes
[12:07] <ogra> tpdd: you shouldnt, but you can
[12:07] <siimo> tpdd,  not recommended
[12:07] <bob2> but it's no supported and may not work
[12:07] <bob2> you're on your own
[12:08] <cardador> ive erased a lot of files accidentally on my reiserfs partition... is there anything i can do?
[12:08] <bob2> no
[12:09] <cardador> tks :(
[12:09] <bob2> you can try things like dumping the partition with "strings", etc
[12:10] <cokkiedough> rm -rf * rocks
[12:10] <cardador> bob2: dont know how to do that, and i think i just lost some music files, so no big deal
[12:10] <cardador> cokkiedough: yeah :)
[12:10] <bob2> cardador: ah, very hard to get back then
[12:11] <nosilver4u> kind of a crazy question, but does anyone happen to know how to turn on auto-op on a channel?
[12:11] <cardador> cokkiedough: i thought i were on .Trash but i was on home...
[12:11] <cardador> bob2: it was rm * -R ...
[12:11] <cardador> im glad i killed it quickly
[12:18] <Krypt0n> hey guys, sorry im a bit of a newbie, but when i start synaptic (livecd) it says it can't 'stat' some package list or something
[12:18] <bob2> erm, what do you want to do with it on the livecd?
[12:19] <Krypt0n> test it
[12:19] <Krypt0n> install xmms
[12:19] <bob2> how can you install packages to a cd?
[12:19] <Krypt0n> it installs it to a ramdisk doesn't it?
[12:19] <Kamion> bob2: ramdisk.
[12:19] <bob2> ooooh
[12:20] <Krypt0n> any idea why its not finding the source?
[12:20] <Krypt0n> the net connection is fine (using xchat right now)
[12:20] <Kamion> Krypt0n: does hitting the Reload button help?
[12:21] <Krypt0n> let me see
[12:21] <Krypt0n> no
[12:21] <Krypt0n> says it 'could not download all repository indexes'
[12:22] <Krypt0n> 'no file or directory'
[12:22] <Kamion> does 'sudo apt-get update' run from a terminal say the same thing?
[12:23] <Kamion> hm, sorry, I'm going to have to go here, hope somebody else can take over
[12:23] <Krypt0n> does the same thing yeah
[12:24] <Krypt0n> http://www.pastebin.com/113690
[12:25] <Krypt0n> ahh, its not a big deal, as long as it works on the install
[12:25] <Krypt0n> i just wanted to see how it all works before i install it
[12:26] <malte> Krypt0n, ehm... could you paste the content of the sources.list as well? why does it try to connect to localhost?
[12:26] <Krypt0n> i have no idea
[12:26] <Kamion> Krypt0n: he means the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:26] <Krypt0n> btw where is sources.list?
[12:26] <Krypt0n> cheers
[12:26] <malte> oh, sorry
[12:26] <Kamion> Krypt0n: it sounds like that's broken, indeed
[12:26] <Krypt0n> heh
[12:26] <Krypt0n> yeah
[12:26] <Krypt0n> i'll get that for ya
[12:26] <Kamion> deb http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu warty main restricted
[12:26] <Kamion> putting that in there on its own should do
[12:27] <Krypt0n> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main
[12:27] <Krypt0n> deb http://<IP_ADDRESS>/warthog/ ./
[12:27] <Krypt0n> deb http://www.morphix.org/debian/ ./
[12:27] <Kamion> ah, just ditch lines two and three
[12:27] <Kamion> and file a bug :-)
[12:27] <Krypt0n> will do
[12:27] <Krypt0n> thanks
[12:28] <malte> are you sure those aren't supposed to be there btw?
[12:28] <malte> localhost looks strange of course... :)
[12:30] <Krypt0n> meh, nevermind, its not a big deal anyway since its a livecd, i just thought it might work
[12:30] <Krypt0n> cheers for the help anyway guys, appreciated :)
[12:30] <bob2> Krypt0n: please do file a bug
[12:30] <bob2> it is broken
[12:30] <Krypt0n> oh
[12:30] <Krypt0n> okay then, i'll get onto it now
[12:30] <bob2> thanks
[12:30] <Krypt0n> no problem
[12:31] <Krypt0n> its already reported :/
[12:31] <Krypt0n> i should check there first heh
[12:31] <jacob> Can use Totem-gstreamer use win32-addon dlls, or it just Totem-Xine?
[12:34] <xuzo> jacob: i think that gstreamer backend cannot use win32 dlls
[12:37] <mjr> just totem-xine at the moment
[12:37] <isam> Riddell: I should have listen to you, and waited until there is KDE in ubuntu
[12:37] <jacob> okay
[12:37] <bob2> isam: kde is in universe
[12:39] <isam> Riddell: your packages aren't working .. kdeinit did not start, complaining about a non-existant libXsomething
[12:40] <isam> bob2: yes, an old one .. that crashes since kdm
[12:40] <bob2> isam: did you file a bug?
[12:40] <andril> hello all - again!
[12:40] <bob2> or are you not supposed to file bugs on broken universe stuff?
[12:41] <isam> bob2: I thought that univerise isn't supported, and I wouldn't bother with bug reporting
[12:42] <Hikaru79> I'm about to install ubuntu
[12:42] <Hikaru79> Running from LiveCD at the moment
[12:42] <Hikaru79> And one question
[12:42] <Hikaru79> I want to format my drive BEFORE I run the installer
[12:42] <Hikaru79> I can do that from a LiveCD, right?
[12:42] <bob2> it should include mkfs, yes.
[12:42] <bob2> but why?
[12:53] <Hikaru79> Because that way I can have you guys to help me while  I partition instead of doing it by myself during the installer :)
[12:53] <kapputu> hi guys.. welcome another newbie to ubuntu
[12:53] <kapputu> I'm getting this error with samba
[12:53] <Hikaru79> I'm planning on completely repartitioning and reformatting my drive
[12:53] <kapputu> something to do with a symbolic link to rc0.d and rc1.d
[12:53] <Hikaru79> I don't care about losing my data
[12:53] <bob2> kapputu: what is the exact error?
[12:53] <Hikaru79> Which partitions should I create for an ubuntu install?
[12:53] <bob2> Hikaru79: the installer has an option for "nuke this disk and partition it sensibly"
[12:53] <Hikaru79> A root partition and a "swap" partition? Anything else?
[12:53] <Hikaru79> Really?
[12:53] <bob2> Hikaru79: yes.
[12:53] <Hikaru79> It'll create swap drives and everything by itself?
[12:53] <GotD0t> Hikaru79 yea
[12:53] <bob2> yes
[12:53] <Hikaru79> Sweet!
[12:53] <Hikaru79> So that's all I have to do for ideal partitions?
[12:53] <Hikaru79> Excellent :)
[12:53] <Hikaru79> Thanks guys ^ ^
[12:53] <Hikaru79> I'm gonna go install now ^ ^
[12:53] <GotD0t> have fun
[12:53] <Hikaru79> Thanks
[12:53] <GotD0t> see you on the other side
[12:53] <kapputu> gimme a minute bob, I'm downloading the x-window-system-dev and it's takin some time
[12:53] <Hikaru79> Be back soon, hopefully :)
[12:53] <Hikaru79> To report a succesful new Ubuntu user ^ ^
[12:53] <kapputu> btw <bob2> my wireless connection keeps getting disconnected
[12:53] <bob2> ?
[12:53] <kapputu> i'm using ndiswrapper on a TI ACX 111 chipset
[12:53] <bob2> ouch
[12:53] <tseng> ouch indeed
[12:53] <tseng> i have 2
[12:53] <bob2> there's not much anyone can do for you
[12:53] <kapputu> :(
[12:53] <bob2> maybe someone on the list will know
[12:53] <tseng> kapputu: if its the netgear, the card is just utter crap
[12:53] <kapputu> it's U.S.Robotics
[12:53] <kapputu> can someone suggest a better card ?
[12:53] <tseng> mine has the dinkiest antenna ive ever seen
[12:53] <xuzo> kapputu: have you take a look on http://acx100.sourceforge.net/?
[12:53] <kapputu> yeah i configured my wireless card using the guidelines there
[12:53] <tseng> acx111 support there is pretty limited
[12:53] <kapputu> but the connection keeps dropping if I dont use it
[12:53] <Anna> I'm still using the preview of Ubuntu. Should I download and install the final release or can I update one way or the other?
[12:53] <kapputu> right now I downloaded 40 MB in a few mins on a cable connec without any problem
[12:53] <xuzo> oh, ok. I try that project with a acx100 card. I didnt know the state about acx111
[12:53] <bob2> Anna: wiki.ubuntu.com/UpgradeGuide
[12:53] <Anna> ok, thanks
[12:53] <kapputu> hmm the error disappeared
[12:53] <kapputu> how do I fire up samba ?
[12:53] <bob2> kapputu: install it
[12:53] <kapputu> yeah i installed it
[12:53] <bob2> then it will be running
[12:53] <kapputu> so how do I set it up ?
[12:53] <kapputu> I need to browse my local lan
[12:53] <bob2> you don't use samba to browse your lan
[12:53] <kapputu> then what is it used for ?
[12:53] <bob2> Anna: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fUpgradeNotes
[12:53] <andril> does any one know if Ubuntu requires re-configuration after I install a working Sound Card?
[12:53] <bob2> kapputu: it's for running as a smb server, so other machines can get files/printers off you
[12:53] <kapputu> cool i need that too
[12:53] <kapputu> so what lan browser do I use ?
[12:53] <bob2> nautilus can do it
[12:53] <kapputu> don't i need to configure my workgroup ?
[12:53] <andril> does any one know if Ubuntu requires re-configuration after I install a working Sound Card?
[12:53] <mjr> andril, don't really know, but it shouldn't
[12:53] <andril> anyone????
[12:53] <bob2> kapputu: no
[12:53] <andril> mjr: thanks
[12:53] <bob2> andril: depends what you mean by configure.  it will load the module for it.
[12:53] <kapputu> ok got it
[12:53] <bob2> but it may or may not be the default if you have more than one
[12:53] <kapputu> how do I make nautilus open in the same window ?
[12:53] <cardador> kapputu: you can do that on Computer -> System conf -> Networking -> General, windows networking
[12:53] <imka> hey
[12:53] <jind> Have any more than me had problems with compiling xchat-2.4.0 on your ubuntu system?
[12:54] <bob2> kapputu: computer -> desktop -> file browsing
[12:54] <andril> I have a Combo card in right now thatt's junk - I just got a new card by C-Media
[12:54] <kapputu> great
[12:54] <kapputu> I got that working..
[12:54] <imka> any experiences with the live cd?
[12:54] <kapputu> i'll thank you guys after all my questions ;)
[12:54] <LinuxJones> imka, I have tried it and it works quite nicely
[12:55] <kapputu> I'm new to debian
[12:55] <kapputu> i've used redhat, mandrake before
[12:55] <ogra> kapputu: we all were new once ;)
[12:55] <kapputu> is there a good apt tutorial ?
[12:55] <bob2> there is
[12:55] <Tenniru> How do I configure Ubuntu to go on sleep mode when I close the lid on my iBook?
[12:56] <bob2> Tenniru: g4 ibook?
[12:56] <Tenniru> g3.
[12:56] <bob2> kapputu: depends what you want to know
[12:56] <Tenniru> It's an old Dual USB model. If it was better, I'd be using OS X now.
[12:56] <bob2> Tenniru: it's currently broken
[12:56] <Tenniru> But it runs so SLOW on a g3.
[12:56] <Tenniru> What is?
[12:56] <bob2> sleep.
[12:56] <Tenniru> On Ubuntu... for the g3.
[12:56] <Tenniru> Well, buttermonkeys.
[12:56] <imka> LinuxJones all hardware working? sound?
[12:57] <imka> gnome without problems?
[12:57] <Tenniru> Also, that'd explain what happens when I try going into sleep. I can't get out.
[12:57] <LinuxJones> imka, yes
[12:57] <imka> i need a knoppix replacement
[12:57] <imka> ok
[12:57] <imka> great
[12:57] <bob2> Tenniru: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1940
[12:57] <bob2> Tenniru: sound like that?
[12:57] <kapputu> is there a good apt tutorial ?
[12:57] <bob2> kapputu: what do you want to know?
[12:58] <bob2> kapputu: if you mean "How do I install packages?", wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[12:58] <LinuxJones> imka, I think it used Morphix as it's base, which itself is a spawn of Knoppix.
[12:58] <buffalo> are there known problems with s3 Trio video cards. I can only seem to get 800x600, and only after manually editing XF86Config4 to change Default Depth from 24 to 16.
[12:58] <kapputu> i prefer to use the command line
[12:58] <kapputu> hey buffalo are you from buffalo ?
[12:58] <kapputu> i mean buffalo ny ?
[12:59] <buffalo> kapputu: no, socal
[12:59] <kapputu> k
[12:59] <bob2> kapputu: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[12:59] <bob2> kapputu: but that will be dangerous if you don't know to only use ubuntu apt sources
[12:59] <bob2> there's very little you need to know for ubuntu.
[12:59] <kapputu> nope i want to learn just in case
[01:00] <kapputu> i don't mind screwing up
[01:00] <kapputu> if I don't i'll never learn
[01:00] <Tenniru> Yeah, that's it. Sleep=no worky.
[01:00] <Tenniru> So... when do I expect this to be fixed?
[01:01] <kapputu> ok i installed ubuntu on my roommate's machine
[01:02] <kapputu> it's a P-II 400 with an Intel 440 BX motherboard and has a builtin sound card
[01:02] <robertj> "let's see if he notices"
[01:02] <kapputu> couldn't get the sound card detected
[01:02] <bob2> what driver does the card use?
[01:02] <ploum> kapputu, is it an ISA sound card ?
[01:03] <kapputu> hmm haven't looked into it
[01:04] <kapputu> what is an ISA sound card ?
[01:05] <calc> kapputu: a sound card using the ISA bus?
[01:05] <calc> :)
[01:06] <kapputu> it's on the chipset
[01:06] <bob2> kapputu: file a bug on the linux component in bugzilla, provifing the output of "dmesg", "lspci", "lspci -n" and "lsmod", if you could.
[01:06] <kapputu> i forgot what isa is
[01:06] <kapputu> my Masters in computer science is good for nothing !!
[01:06] <kapputu> anyway
[01:06] <bob2> er, "providing"
[01:06] <Tenniru> I think it was a form of expansion slot used on x86es.
[01:06] <Tenniru> Pre-PCI.
[01:07] <ogra> 16bit :)
[01:07] <kapputu> hmm it's not
[01:07] <ogra> or 8, depends
[01:07] <bob2> if it's on-board, it cam sometimes be isa
[01:07] <bob2> which sucks, a lot
[01:07] <kapputu> yeah i know
[01:08] <calc> the black slots you see on any pc system more than about 3 years old are usually ISA
[01:08] <kapputu> ok gimme 3 reasons why I shouldn't install mandrake 10.1 on my desktop instead of ubuntu
[01:08] <bob2> it would be great if you could send that information to the BTS
[01:08] <bob2> kapputu: if you want to use mandrake, go for it
[01:08] <ogra> kapputu: have you seen ubuntu in action ?
[01:08] <kapputu> well I do have an idea but I don't remember
[01:08] <LinuxJones> kapputu, google reports that your soundcard is a Maestro-PCI
[01:08] <bob2> kapputu: it would be really good if you could help us by filing that bug, though
[01:08] <kapputu> i'm using ubuntu right now
[01:08] <calc> a P2 BX system likely has isa slots
[01:08] <kapputu> it's on my laptop and I think it's cool
[01:08] <bob2> my p3 bx has isa
[01:09] <ogra> kapputu: not convinced ?
[01:09] <Tenniru> It's great, even on a Mac with one button.
[01:09] <Tenniru> I mean, yeah, all the Macs migrated to two/three buttons...
[01:09] <ogra> kapputu: so why do you think about mandrake ?
[01:09] <kapputu> hmm ubuntu doesn't use debian's repo ?
[01:09] <bob2> kapputu: no
[01:09] <Tenniru> Except the laptops, but that's what function keys are for.
[01:09] <bob2> kapputu: it has it's own archive
[01:09] <Anna> ok, that link worked better:_-)
[01:09] <kapputu> because i want to try out other distros
[01:09] <ogra> kapputu: but it has nearly all debian packages
[01:10] <kapputu> but bob is it complete ?
[01:10] <bob2> kapputu: no
[01:10] <kapputu> ic
[01:10] <ogra> 98%
[01:10] <bob2> kapputu: but I doubt you will notice anything missing
[01:10] <Anna> but I'm going to bed now, I'm getting tired, it's after one here, good night
[01:10] <bob2> Anna: 'night
[01:10] <kapputu> ok is it possible to install two linux distros on the same machine ?
[01:10] <bob2> kapputu: of course
[01:10] <mjr> yes, but if you have to ask, you probably don't want to
[01:11] <bob2> kapputu: you just need a partition each
[01:11] <rdnk> sound juicer
[01:12] <kapputu> is it possible to use the installation cd of a linux distro to get back grub, if windows erases it,
[01:12] <kapputu> or do I need a rescue disk ?
[01:12] <bob2> the install can do that
[01:13] <kapputu> good
[01:13] <kapputu> does ubuntu install a firewall ?
[01:13] <bob2> do you know how?
[01:13] <bob2> no
[01:13] <GotD0t> window's erased grub?
[01:13] <ogra> kapputu: no need to
[01:13] <kapputu> no but I think I can figure out
[01:13] <bob2> but why do you want a firewall?
[01:13] <bob2> ubuntu has no services listening by default
[01:13] <thomaes> hello, how is the url of the website where i find how to install libdvdcss?
[01:13] <kapputu> nope but I'm planning to setup my desktop as a server ?
[01:13] <ogra> kapputu: nothing open, so nothing to protect ;)
[01:14] <bob2> thomaes: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:14] <thomaes> thx bob2
[01:14] <bob2> kapputu: there are many firewallig tools in ubuntu
[01:14] <bob2> kapputu: but what do you imagine you'll be protecting yourself from?
[01:14] <GotD0t> himself...
[01:14] <kapputu> lol GotDot
[01:14] <ogra> *g*
[01:15] <bob2>  /win37
[01:15] <kapputu> what about hackers using port scanners ?
[01:15] <GotD0t> kapputu: scanners look for open ports
[01:15] <bob2> um
[01:15] <ogra> kapputu: there are _no_ ports to scan
[01:15] <GotD0t> kapputu: if there are no open ports... they wont get a hit
[01:15] <bob2> kapputu: if you're running a server, you're opening ports deliberately
[01:15] <GotD0t> kapputu: are you behind a router?
[01:16] <bob2> kapputu: how can a firewall protect you?
[01:16] <bob2> ogra: GotD0t he said he was installing some services
[01:16] <ogra> oh
[01:16] <kapputu> hmm good question bob
[01:17] <kapputu> i need to think on that
[01:17] <kapputu> i'm still in the Windows world :(
[01:17] <GotD0t> kapputu: heh
[01:17] <kapputu> windows has turned me into a dumbhead
[01:18] <GotD0t> kapputu: well according to some finnish professor you wont be living in one in 2006... as he claimed the internet will collapse then
[01:18] <kapputu> the only reason i was using it till date was because i couldnt get my wireless to work
[01:18] <kapputu> and i got that working with ubuntu this weekend
[01:18] <bob2> kapputu: there are valid reasons to use a firewall, but a default ubuntu desktop is not a place to worry about one :)
[01:18] <kapputu> but i use it at work and i'm trying to convince them to get a linux box
[01:19] <kapputu> yeah ofcourse
[01:19] <GotD0t> kapputu: GET?
[01:19] <kapputu> i don't need it for my desktop
[01:19] <kapputu> kapputu: GET? -- i don't understand
[01:19] <Sensebend> bob2, I disagree a firewall is a good idea
[01:20] <Sensebend> even on a default ubuntu desktop
[01:20] <bob2> Sensebend: why?
[01:20] <GotD0t> sensebend: a router should be sufficient enough...
[01:20] <GoneBoB> ok
[01:20] <Sensebend> remote exploits, minimizing access to your system
[01:20] <GoneBoB> if I have no ports open
[01:20] <bob2> Sensebend: no
[01:20] <GoneBoB> .. why do I need a firewall
[01:20] <malte> to protect new users maybe?
[01:20] <bob2> Sensebend: default ubuntu has nothing listening on external interfaces
[01:21] <Sensebend> I run certain services like VNC I keep within my local network for example
[01:22] <kapputu> ok i use SSH and use tunneling to open up X applications
[01:22] <bob2> then that's not a default ubuntu desktop
[01:22] <bob2> and you should be thinking about security, yes
[01:22] <kapputu> I use X-win32 on windows
[01:22] <kapputu> what do i use on ubuntu ?
[01:22] <Sensebend> X-chat, mIRC through wine
[01:22] <Sensebend> bitchx
[01:22] <Sensebend> irssi
[01:22] <bob2> XFree86 is the X server in ubuntu
[01:23] <kapputu> do i need to install it or is it already running ?
[01:23] <kapputu> hmm i guess it is right ?
[01:23] <ogra> kapputu: youre actually looking at it ;)
[01:23] <bob2> kapputu: it's installed as part of the default desktop install
[01:23] <bob2> kapputu: the "gui" in linux is X
[01:23] <kapputu> yep and that's what runs the x applications
[01:23] <kapputu> but can't get it to work with ssh
[01:23] <Sensebend> nevermind, I read x win32 as x-chat win32
[01:23] <Sensebend> I need some sleep
[01:24] <mjr> kapputu, ssh -X
[01:24] <GoneBoB> bob2: X is more like.. the driver
[01:24] <GoneBoB> it's not an interface, per se
[01:24] <kapputu> i never used that option in FC 2
[01:24] <bob2> GoneBoB: yes, I know
[01:24] <kapputu> good -X works
[01:24] <mjr> FC 2 has more insecure defaults then
[01:25] <kapputu> why would it be insecure ?
[01:25] <ogra> kapputu: open ports ?
[01:25] <kapputu> ok got it
[01:26] <bob2> ogra: no
[01:26] <dyn4mik3> Hi, I'm deciding to install linux for some security research and I was wondering what you all thought was a better distro btw gentoo/fedora/ubuntu/debian. I've used gentoo and debian before - however I did not do much with the security aspect of each distro. Any thoughts?
[01:26] <mjr> because one can access your X display from the other host if one can read your xauthority file
[01:26] <kapputu> ok now tell me why ubuntu is a better option to run let's say a web server and MySQL
[01:26] <bob2> ssh X forwarding does not "open" ports.
[01:26] <bob2> dyn4mik3: this is #ubuntu
[01:26] <ogra> bob2: fc2 has no open ports ?
[01:26] <mjr> so you're trusting at least the administrators of that system
[01:26] <bob2> dyn4mik3: do you really expect an unbiased answer?
[01:26] <bob2> ogra: no, ssh forwarding has nothing to do with open ports
[01:26] <kapputu> ok where do I read about open ports
[01:26] <kapputu> ?
[01:27] <ogra> bob2: i answered the fc2 question ;)
[01:27] <bob2> kapputu: you need to understand how tcp works
[01:27] <kapputu> hmm i forgot
[01:27] <mjr> ogra, yes, incorrectly
[01:28] <ogra> mjr: so fc2 has no open ports ?
[01:28] <dyn4mik3> bob2: no - im just looking for what is different in ubuntu security wise
[01:29] <mjr> ogra, ah, I see. You just missed the context then, we were talking of the ssh client defaults
[01:29] <liten> all distros need lots of work to be secure
[01:29] <mjr> and having X forwarding enabled by default is a security risk for the reason I gave
[01:29] <ogra> mjr: ok i see, sorry then for dizzing this....
[01:30] <bob2> dyn4mik3: if you want a serious answer, the list is a far better place to ask
[01:30] <dayson> Hey I have a question about getting a windows gaming program to work on linux can somoene tell me what I need to do this?
[01:30] <bob2> dayson: you can buy winex (cedega) which might work.
[01:31] <cardador> dayson: what is the program?
[01:31] <dayson> Steam
[01:31] <kapputu> ok got disconnected
[01:31] <liten> so, is there some kinda unstable version of ubuntu being used alongside with warty?
[01:31] <cardador> dayson: it works with wine
[01:31] <kapputu> you guys there ?
[01:31] <mjr> or you can play with the free Wine, which might also work, with a slightly smaller probability perhaps
[01:31] <bob2> liten: /topic
[01:31] <dayson> Cardador is wine cost anything?
[01:31] <cardador> nope
[01:31] <bob2> dayson: wine is free, winex is not
[01:31] <mjr> http://winehq.com
[01:31] <kapputu> what's winex ?
[01:32] <bob2> kapputu: www.transgaming.com
[01:32] <mjr> and wine is available from the Universe repository, it seems
[01:32] <bash_> aajaja
[01:32] <Kirsch> a version of wine thats better for games
[01:32] <liten> bob2: hehe, the topic is soo long :P - lazy me -
[01:32] <bash_> wine nice..
[01:32] <kapputu> ok
[01:32] <kapputu> hmm i forgot some questions
[01:33] <bash_> winex work on direcx
[01:33] <cardador> dayson: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=32
[01:33] <mjr> there is significant directx work in the free wine also
[01:33] <kapputu> ok i want to setup freebsd, ubuntu on my desktop
[01:33] <kapputu> any suggestions, ideas, directions ?
[01:33] <cardador> dayson: and youll need cedega cvs, that can be built for free: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[01:34] <bob2> kapputu: #freebsd
[01:34] <dayson> Cardador: thanks man I'll let you know if I cant figure it out, I'm still nub at linux
[01:34] <cardador> dayson: just follow the howtos, you should be fine
[01:34] <kapputu> ok
[01:34] <kapputu> a question about synaptic
[01:35] <kapputu> synaptic displayed categories and packages installed under that
[01:35] <kapputu> and i searched for something
[01:35] <kapputu> and the categories disappeared
[01:36] <kapputu> nm i got it
[01:36] <Uanet> hi everyone..I have a question..i use dila-up connect for internet also i have hcfpci modem do you know that this modem work fine on ubuntu or no ? thanks for answering :)
[01:37] <kapputu> kernel source is not installed by default ?
[01:37] <Uanet> also i looked ubuntu web page wiki.ubuntu but i didnt see
[01:37] <bob2> kapputu: correct
[01:38] <johnlevin> does anyone know if a transcript of the meeting earlier today is available?
[01:38] <kapputu> ok i do "sudo apt-get install kernel-source" ?
[01:38] <kapputu> what meeting johnlevin ?
[01:38] <ogra> johnlevin: not yet
[01:38] <bob2> johnlevin: it went for 4.5 hours
[01:38] <bob2> johnlevin: a summary will be prepeared
[01:38] <kapputu> what meeting was it ?
[01:38] <__daniel> sleep tight guys
[01:38] <ogra> kapputu: about the next release
[01:39] <johnlevin> bob2: I had to bail out after 2 and a quarter hours
[01:39] <kapputu> it's in november right ?
[01:39] <ogra> g'night __daniel
[01:39] <dayson> Cardador: I need cedega installed first so I'm trying to do that ( http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45 ) but dont have all of those packetages where do I get those?
[01:39] <kapputu> was it an online meeting ?
[01:39] <bob2> kapputu: linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[01:39] <bob2> kapputu: yes
[01:39] <johnlevin> kapputu: the hoary kickoff meeting
[01:39] <cardador> dayson: do you know how to use synaptic?
[01:39] <dayson> what is hoary?
[01:39] <johnlevin> hoary is the code name for the next ubuntu release
[01:39] <dayson> Cardador: sorta I'm using it now but its not seeing them all
[01:40] <kapputu> what's new in the next release ?
[01:40] <johnlevin> hornbeck: was documentation discussed?
[01:40] <bob2> kapputu: nothing, it doesn't exist yet
[01:40] <cardador> dayson: do you have universe?
[01:40] <bob2> kapputu: the meeting was to decide what would be included
[01:40] <kapputu> ic
[01:40] <dayson> Cardador: its set to universe yes
[01:40] <kapputu> is there like a control-center like utility in ubuntu ?
[01:41] <bob2> kapputu: to do what?
[01:41] <kapputu> a one-stop configuration place ?
[01:41] <bob2> no
[01:41] <liten> bob2: one place to gather all graphical configuration-tools :O
[01:42] <liten> but its not there - atleast not in warty today
[01:42] <kapputu> ok forgot to ask an important question
[01:42] <johnlevin> kapputu: like the control centre in KDE, do you mean?
[01:42] <kapputu> i use a HP Pavilion Laptop
[01:42] <mjr> well, there's the stuff in the Computer menu
[01:42] <kapputu> yeah johnlevin
[01:42] <bob2> kapputu: did you look in the computer menu?
[01:42] <kapputu> i get a black X mark in the center of my screen
[01:42] <cardador> dayson: i think all the files are on universe. which ones you dont find?
[01:42] <bob2> kapputu: your card is broken
[01:42] <kapputu> and it's not part of the background
[01:43] <GotD0t> kapputu: i think someone else was talking bout that a day or two agi
[01:43] <bob2> kapputu: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/002088.html
[01:43] <kapputu> what do u mean by card is broken ?
[01:43] <johnlevin> kapputut: no, gnome works differently (and personally, I think KDE is better than Gnome in this respect)
[01:43] <dayson> the freetype ones and the flex
[01:43] <bob2> the card is buggy.
[01:43] <bob2> johnlevin: a control center so big it needs a search engine is not good design
[01:43] <dayson> Cardador: and the bison is "bison ++" would that make a difference?
[01:43] <mjr> and there's the preferences:// location in Nautilus if you want a collection of icons for the gnome setup stuff :)
[01:44] <johnlevin> bob2: understood, but I do find that part of KDE very convenient
[01:44] <cardador> dayson: i have bison, bison++ and bison-1.35
[01:44] <cardador> dayson: just in case, install all of them :)
[01:44] <dayson> Cardador: mine only shows Bison++
[01:45] <cardador> dayson: check the repositories
[01:45] <kapputu> hmm bob u mean the card is buggy on ubuntu ?
[01:45] <bob2> kapputu: no
[01:45] <cardador> dayson: in the section you should have "main restricted universe multiverse"
[01:45] <dayson> Cardador: just did and all but the two main retricted ones are being used
[01:45] <kapputu> i've never had any problems with RH, FC, Mandrake
[01:46] <dayson> Cardador: should I check the main restricted ones too?
[01:46] <cardador> yes you should have all of gthem
[01:46] <dayson> Cardador: so all repositories would be checked then right?
[01:47] <cardador> dayson: correct
[01:47] <dayson> Cardador: still only shows ++ :(
[01:47] <cardador> have you clicked reload?
[01:48] <kapputu> ok how do I run an application in the background running as sudo but without having to make my password visible to everyone
[01:48] <dayson> Cardador: oops
[01:48] <bob2> kapputu: for example?
[01:48] <lifeless> relayed question:
[01:48] <lifeless> Do you know that people have run VMWare on Ubuntu?   i.e. not Ubuntu as a host within a VM, but Ubuntu running VMWare to host other VMs?  Thanks
[01:48] <kapputu> sudo emacs sources.list &
[01:49] <ogra> night all
[01:49] <malte> same here. night :)
[01:49] <Scognito> hi all
[01:49] <__daniel> bye ogra, bye malte
[01:49] <bash_> hi..
[01:49] <bash_> :D
[01:49] <bob2> kapputu: run it, type password, hit ctrl-z, type %1&
[01:49] <ogra> its late in germany ;)
[01:49] <Scognito> little question... why there are not 2.6.8 sources?
[01:49] <bob2> kapputu: er, run it without &
[01:49] <bob2> Scognito: because ubuntu uses <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:50] <Hikaru79> Guys
[01:50] <Hikaru79> It works ^__^
[01:50] <Hikaru79> Sweet-ness!
[01:50] <Hikaru79> w00t for Ubuntu :)
[01:50] <johnlevin> Hikaru79::)
[01:50] <Scognito> bob2, sorry, i use <IP_ADDRESS>-2-386
[01:50] <GotD0t> hey Hikaru79
[01:50] <Hikaru79> :)
[01:50] <Scognito> but there aren't sources of 2.6.8.*
[01:50] <Hikaru79> Now to get all my software installed again :P
[01:50] <Scognito> and i cannot compile some modules i need
[01:50] <bob2> Scognito: yes there is
[01:51] <bob2> Scognito: linux-source-2.6
[01:51] <bob2> Scognito: you don't need the source to build modules
[01:51] <Scognito> why not?
[01:51] <kapputu> bob is it an el or a 1
[01:51] <kapputu> oops got it
[01:52] <bob2> Scognito: linux-headers-2.6
[01:52] <dayson> Cardador: XFree86 devel, XFree86 Mesa, XFree86 Mesa devel packages are what I cant find now what should I do?
[01:53] <cardador> dayson: look for xlibmesa
[01:53] <kapputu> ok a quick question
[01:53] <kapputu> does gmplayer install plugins for firefox ?
[01:53] <bob2> no
[01:53] <kapputu> so how do I install it ?
[01:54] <cardador> kapputu: apt-get mozilla-mplayer
[01:54] <dayson> Cardador: what about the xfree86 devel?
[01:54] <dayson> Cardador: thats the only one I dont have now
[01:55] <kapputu> invalid option
[01:55] <kapputu> invalid operation
[01:55] <cardador> dayson: im not sure, so its better if you try to build it and see if there are any errors
[01:55] <liten> apt-get install
[01:55] <kapputu> am a dumbo
[01:55] <kapputu> sorry
[01:55] <kapputu> couldn't find the package
[01:56] <dayson> Cardador: thanks, I'll see what happens now
[01:56] <cardador> kapputu: add multiverse
[01:56] <kapputu> ??
[01:56] <kapputu> --multiverse ?
[01:56] <jonoxer> kapputu: no, in /etc/sources.list
[01:57] <cardador> kapputu: synaptic, settings, repositories, add multiverse to the checked line, section
[01:57] <jonoxer> There are entries including 'universe', etc
[01:57] <mjr> hmm, actually, referring to a while back, there's a "gnome-control-center" still, that basically just launches Nautilus with the preferences:// URI
[01:58] <kapputu> what's it on the command line
[01:59] <mjr> gnome-control-center :)
[01:59] <jonoxer> kapputu: to do it without running Synaptic you need to 'sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list'
[01:59] <jonoxer> or whatever your preferred editor is
[01:59] <kapputu> ok i did that
[01:59] <kapputu> next
[02:00] <cardador> apt-get update
[02:00] <kapputu> no how do I add multiverse ?
[02:00] <jonoxer> look for a line that starts something like "deb http://archive..."
[02:00] <kapputu> yeah
[02:00] <jonoxer> Go to the end, where it will already have 'main' etc
[02:01] <jonoxer> Then add a space and "multiverse" at the end
[02:01] <cardador> it should have universe also
[02:01] <cardador> if it doesnt, add it
[02:01] <jonoxer> Then save the file, and then 'sudo apt-get update'
[02:03] <kapputu> do i add that to the src too ?
[02:03] <jonoxer> If you want to be able to fetch source packages
[02:03] <sabdfl> kapputu: only if you want to fix the bugs and security issues :-)
[02:03] <jonoxer> Not necessary unless you want to build things yourself
[02:04] <kapputu> hmm anything to do with perl, i can help
[02:04] <sabdfl> universe and multiverse don't get the same security review or updates that main does, so please check for yourself
[02:04] <kapputu> will start contributing to open source very soon
[02:04] <kapputu> just need to free up some time
[02:05] <kapputu> ok finished install mozilla-mplayer
[02:05] <kapputu> does it install plugins into firefox
[02:06] <Scognito> bob2, tnx
[02:08] <kapputu> hmm u guys there or am I lagging ?
[02:08] <GotD0t> does anybody have any experience with SynCE?
[02:09] <Lathiat> Yeh
[02:09] <dejot> tach
[02:10] <Lathiat> GotD0t: Whats up
[02:10] <GotD0t> Lathiat: well I tried installing it before and never had any luck... i was just curious if anybody got theirs working
[02:11] <dejot> any german in here?
[02:11] <kapputu> bob u there
[02:11] <kapputu> ?
[02:11] <Lathiat> GotD0t: works fine for me, just installed it, did synce-serial-config ttyS0 // synce-serial-start, works -- just make sure you set yoru wince device to use 115200 baud
[02:11] <GoneBoB> yo
[02:12] <GotD0t> Lathiat: and you use it through USB?
[02:12] <Lathiat> nah serial
[02:12] <Lathiat> havent tried usb
[02:13] <GotD0t> Lathiat: I don't even think my computer has a serial port
[02:13] <Lathiat> haha
[02:14] <GotD0t> Lathiat: you can use it even though its built for KDE?
[02:14] <Lathiat> its built for kde?
[02:14] <Lathiat> i used mine in gnome
[02:14] <GotD0t> hmm
[02:14] <Lathiat> the core stuff is independant
[02:15] <Lathiat> and i got the nautilus and tray plugins from the homepage
[02:15] <Scognito> bob2 i got his on configure: checking kernel source directory... Not found
[02:15] <Lathiat> works great
[02:15] <Lathiat> pops up on my desktop and everything
[02:15] <Lathiat> the gnomevfs plugin is very handy
[02:15] <GotD0t> k
[02:15] <bob2> Scognito: point it at the dir in /usr/src/
[02:15] <Scognito> bob2 linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-3 ?
[02:16] <bob2> yeah
[02:16] <bob2> tell the module that that is your source dir
[02:17] <kapputu> bob mozilla-mplayer installs plugins for firefox ?
[02:18] <bob2> should work in firefox
[02:18] <Scognito> tnx bob2
[02:20] <[Phaedrus] > Does Ubuntu support HPT370 Raid Controllers?
[02:20] <kapputu> how do I get a windows media player plugin ?
[02:20] <kapputu> this site doesn't work for me
[02:20] <kapputu> www.musicindiaonline.com
[02:21] <jivera> Hi.
[02:21] <GotD0t> hmm
[02:21] <GotD0t> this is interesting
[02:22] <GotD0t> for some reason firefox changed the download directory to my desktop
[02:22] <GotD0t> and i just downloaded several tarballs and err... um i cant find them
[02:22] <Lathiat> are they on your desktop?
[02:22] <GotD0t> no
[02:22] <socomm> GotD0t: are they at home?
[02:23] <jivera> I saw some screenshots of the Ubuntu live cd (with some F/OSS packages compiled for Windows, along with a bootable Linux)... does anyone have info on how that CD was created?
[02:23] <GotD0t> socomm: thas the firs tplace i looked for them
[02:23] <socomm> GotD0t: which browser are you using?
[02:23] <GotD0t> socomm: firefox pr
[02:23] <jonoxer> GotD0t: probably either in ~ (home) or /tmp
[02:24] <GotD0t> jonoxer: well i just checked and it said it was downloading all files to desktop
[02:24] <socomm> GotD0t: Firefox should prompt you for a place to download a file whenever you are downloading anything.
[02:24] <GotD0t> socomm: no, it defaults to a set location
[02:24] <socomm> GotD0t: otherwise it should download to a predefined path, such as your `Desktop'.
[02:25] <jonoxer> GotD0t: go to Edit / Preferences / Downloads
[02:25] <kapputu> bob any suggestions ?
[02:25] <GotD0t> jonoxer: i just changed it... but still where are those files i just downloaded
[02:25] <jonoxer> It should show the default d/l location
[02:25] <socomm> GotD0t: Yeah *should* be your `Desktop'.
[02:25] <jonoxer> They should be in the place it said *before* you changed it
[02:25] <jonoxer> ;-)
[02:25] <GotD0t> yea.. but i already said they arent there
[02:25] <GotD0t> i checked
[02:26] <socomm> GotD0t: are you by any chance downloading tarballs from SourceForge.net?
[02:26] <jonoxer> Go to "tools / downloads"
[02:26] <GotD0t> socomm: yea
[02:26] <jonoxer> Then find the download
[02:26] <geppy> Is there a java-plugin packages for mozilla in the repository?
[02:26] <socomm> GotD0t: are you prompted to choose a mirror?
[02:26] <jonoxer> Then right click, and select 'properties'
[02:26] <GotD0t> socomm: they showed up in the download window... i watched the progress bar
[02:27] <socomm> GotD0t: are you prompted to choose a mirror or not?
[02:27] <GotD0t> socomm: yea
[02:27] <GotD0t> socomm: and i did
[02:27] <GotD0t> socomm: and the download window shoed them downloading
[02:27] <Yannick_> is there a way of getting ntfs support without recompiling the kernel?
[02:27] <jonoxer> GotD0t: did you check the download properties like I said above?
[02:27] <socomm> GotD0t: Okay, than something is probably fscked.
[02:27] <spikeb> how long is the free cd offer going to last?
[02:27] <geppy> Yannick_:  NTFS support is already in the kernel.
[02:28] <Yannick_> ah ok, kewl then
[02:28] <GotD0t> jonoxer: yes i did... it said default directory was desktop
[02:28] <jivera> Who made the Ubuntu Linux preview live CD?
[02:28] <GotD0t> jonoxher: so i changed it to ~
[02:28] <jonoxer> GotD0t: no, after that where I said to go to the download manager, right click and select properties
[02:28] <GotD0t> but the files that i had previously downloaded are not where its said they were supposed to be
[02:29] <WW> GotD0t: Maybe try Computer -> Search for Files...
[02:29] <GotD0t> jonoxer: i cant right click and select properties
[02:29] <geppy> Are there no java packages for mozilla in the repository?
[02:29] <kapputu> any suggestions for firefox extensions ?
[02:30] <jonoxer> GotD0t: go to "Tools / Downloads", find the download, then right click on it
[02:30] <GotD0t> kapputu: adblock
[02:30] <jivera> I take it nobody knows where the Live CD came from then?
[02:30] <GotD0t> WW: its not showing up
[02:30] <GotD0t> WW: thats interesting
[02:30] <jonoxer> GotD0t: so you can't right-click on anything in the download manager?
[02:31] <dayson> how can I tell if I installed my ati drivers right?
[02:31] <spikeb> jivera, well, when a mommy livecd and a daddy livecd really love each other...
[02:31] <WW> dayson: Play tuxracer :)
[02:31] <geppy> dayson:  do it like this: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:31] <spikeb> jivera,  i have no idea, by the way, who's responsible for the livecd.
[02:31] <geppy> dayson:  heh... yeah, play tuxracer, or run glxgears
[02:31] <Yannick_> does ubuntu play mp3?
[02:31] <geppy> Yannick_:  Yes.
[02:31] <mirak_> yes
[02:31] <spikeb> Yannick_, it can.
[02:32] <Yannick_> thanx
[02:32] <cardador> dayson: you should restart x after installing the drivers :)
[02:32] <dayson> restart what?
[02:32] <geppy> dayson:  reboot
[02:32] <dayson> my box?
[02:32] <geppy> dayson:  Yes, that's the easiest way for you to do it.
[02:32] <GotD0t> woah, firefox is officially retarded
[02:33] <dayson> ah well I would you see but I am downloading cs:source right now
[02:33] <GotD0t> it doesnt keep my settings
[02:33] <geppy> dayson:  "X" is the graphical display.
[02:33] <spikeb> hmm
[02:33] <spikeb> GotD0t, that sucks
[02:33] <dayson> geppy: danke
[02:33] <cardador> dayson: im not sure if cs source runs in linux...
[02:33] <dayson> geppy: I will reboot once my download is complete
[02:33] <geppy> dayson:  Alright.  :)
[02:33] <dayson> cardador: awe it has to!
[02:34] <geppy> dayson:  CS:Source does _not_ run in Linux.
[02:34] <cardador> dayson: im afraid it wont run :(
[02:34] <GotD0t> something is seriously wrong...
[02:34] <spikeb> i'd have to agree
[02:34] <dayson> cardador: what about third party games like natural selection?
[02:34] <spikeb> but what, i do not know.
[02:34] <geppy> dayson:  Not under WINE, not under Crossover, and not under Cedega.
[02:34] <cardador> dayson: cs, hl, dod, etc, runs ok
[02:34] <geppy> dayson: http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki
[02:34] <spikeb> ut2k4 runs great :)
[02:34] <geppy> heh  :)
[02:34] <dayson> will  Source work evetually?
[02:34] <cardador> dayson: yes, eventually
[02:34] <geppy> Yeah.
[02:34] <GotD0t> i set it to ask me where to download every time... and im downloading to ~ but it tells me the file already exists... but i dont see it in the file browser
[02:35] <jonoxer> GotD0t: can you see it when listing in a terminal? Try opening a terminal, do 'ls -l' and see if the file is there
[02:35] <Dekkard> hmmm
[02:36] <Dekkard> gtkam wont detect my camera....
[02:36] <Dekkard> it worked under slack...
[02:36] <GotD0t> jonoxer: just a problem with the file browser
[02:36] <GotD0t> jonoxer: wasn't refreshing
[02:36] <jonoxer> ah
[02:37] <spikeb> ahh yeah
[02:37] <spikeb> nautilus doesn't autorefresh that i know of
[02:37] <spikeb> (that's irritating)
[02:37] <GotD0t> it used to...
[02:37] <GotD0t> like 20 mins ago
[02:38] <cardador> bye all
[02:38] <jivera> Anyone even know how I can find the live CD creator or get in contact with him/her/them?
[02:38] <kapputu> firefox with ubuntu is the latest ?
[02:38] <GotD0t> nope
[02:38] <GotD0t> doesn't have firefox pr
[02:38] <spikeb> kapputu,  no. it's 0.9.3 with a bunch of patches
[02:38] <robertj> Is there a nice gui util for burning isos?
[02:38] <kapputu> is 1.0 good ?
[02:38] <spikeb> yes
[02:38] <robertj> I feel like I should learn something other than cdrecord
[02:39] <spikeb> robertj,  nautilus
[02:39] <robertj> spike: oh, how does that work?
[02:39] <spikeb> robertj,  i believe all you have to do is right click on the iso and there should be a menu entry
[02:40] <kapputu> is firefox 1.0 in the apt-sources
[02:40] <GotD0t> nope
[02:40] <_avatar> i just installed ubuntu, and i'm looking for the grub.conf but can't find it... can someone tell me where it is?
[02:41] <WW> _avatar: I think you might want /boot/grub/menu.lst  ?
[02:41] <spikeb> i dont have one either heh
[02:41] <dayson> okay this is also a dumb question but after I installed steam and cedega how do I use it again after I close it?
[02:41] <spikeb> hmmm
[02:41] <spikeb> no clue heh
[02:41] <dayson> its not on my menus
[02:42] <caleb_> i have an evolution crasher that i want to get a good stack trace from.  how can i get a debugging enabled evolution?  im not familiar w/ debs.  is my only solution to grab the evo code and compile by hand?
[02:42] <spikeb> caleb_,  fire up synaptic
[02:42] <spikeb> caleb_, search for evolution - there's a debug deb
[02:42] <_avatar> WW: thanks :) in gentoo it was called /boot/grub/grub.conf
[02:42] <caleb_> spikeb: rockin, thanks.
[02:42] <spikeb> hmm
[02:43] <spikeb> i thought there was heh
[02:45] <caleb_> spikeb: i only see evo and evo-dev, nothing about debug
[02:45] <spikeb> yeah same here
[02:45] <spikeb> caleb_, maybe i was seeing things
[02:46] <GotD0t> Lathiat: you there?
[02:46] <spikeb> bah
[02:46] <spikeb> it looks like i was
[02:46] <WW> spikeb: I know nothing about them, but "evolution-2.0 --help" shows an assortment of options related to debugging
[02:47] <spikeb> caleb_, see what WW said?
[02:47] <kapputu> is there a good IDE for remote development ?
[02:47] <kapputu> for ubuntu
[02:47] <WW> Ooops, that should have been for caleb_...
[02:48] <socomm> kapputu: you mean GNU/Linux?
[02:48] <kapputu> yep
[02:49] <kapputu> actually I should have said Gnome
[02:49] <caleb_> WW: yes but since i have a crasher, i need to stack trace.  evolution-2.0 --debug=hello, the file 'hello' is blank
[02:49] <socomm> kapputu: yes, there is one I forget it's name though.
[02:49] <Yannick_> when I try to read mp3s with rhythmbox, its says I have no plugin to handle mp3, what do I do?
[02:49] <socomm> kapputu: give me a second, I'll try to find it.
[02:50] <caleb_> i can get a stace trace, thats no prob via bugbuddy, however, since debug isnt compiled in the strace trace will not help the evo devs figure out the problem.
[02:50] <WW> caleb_:   Well, it was worth a shot, anyway.
[02:51] <caleb_> WW: thanks :)
[02:51] <WW> Yannick_: gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:51] <socomm> kapputu: http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/
[02:51] <Yannick_> WW, I need to install that?
[02:51] <socomm> kapputu: anjuta, give it a whirl. It maybe what you're looking for.
[02:51] <WW> Yannick_: I think that's the one.  Take a look in Synaptic.
[02:52] <Kirsch> Hey, I'm SSHed into another Ubuntu system, and my system is Ubuntu, how can I have it so if i run "firefox" it will display on my system
[02:52] <Kirsch> if i run it now, it says DISPLAY not set
[02:53] <jonoxer> Kirsch: first thing is you need to allow TCP connections to your local machine
[02:53] <nictuku> see -X for sssh, Kirsch
[02:54] <WW> Kirsch: Try -X option
[02:54] <jonoxer> Go to "computer / system config / security"
[02:54] <jonoxer> turn off "always disallow TCP"
[02:55] <Kirsch> don't have security. hold on
[02:55] <jonoxer> oops, sorry: computer / system config / login screen / security
[02:56] <jonoxer> Kirsch: that won't take effect until you next start X though
[02:57] <jonoxer> Then as they said above, try 'ssh -X ...' when you connect to the remote machine
[02:58] <jonoxer> If it still doesn't work there are a couple of things you can try, like exporting the display ("export DISPLAY=<IP_ADDRESS>:0.0" on the remote machine, where <IP_ADDRESS> is your local IP)
[02:58] <jonoxer> You may also have to do "host +<IP_ADDRESS>" on your local machine, where <IP_ADDRESS> is the IP of the remote machine
[02:59] <geppy> why does apt ask for the ubuntu binary cd (which I don't have) to install rhythmbox?
[02:59] <jonoxer> Sorry, "xhost +..."
[02:59] <kapputu> whats xhost for ?
[03:00] <socomm> geppy: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:00] <blahrus> when does everyone think that x86_64 support will be as good at i686
[03:01] <jonoxer> xhost lets you configure access control in X
[03:01] <socomm> geppy: you'll have to `#' comment out the `deb cdrom:' section to get rid of the cd-rom stuff.
[03:01] <geppy> xmms won't open:  it gives me this: libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:01] <geppy> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[03:01] <geppy> socomm:  Thanks.
[03:02] <smo> Is it not more likely that X forwarding isn't enabled on the server machine?  I believe that's the distro default
[03:02] <socomm> geppy: don't forget to uncomment the other sections, and run `apt-get update' to refresh your apt-cache
[03:02] <Yannick_> WW, do I have to add some mirror 'cause I don't see anything related to mp3
[03:02] <geppy> socomm:  alright, thanks. :)
[03:03] <socomm> geppy: don't mention it.
[03:03] <visor> has someone had issues with the bootplash in either ati or nvidia cards, or am i just missing something?... i cant seem to properly set that thing and i havent found yet something in the FAQ's
[03:04] <geppy> visor: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:05] <visor> geppy: thanks, does that would have to do with the bootsplash thing? i mean i have no propietary drivers in any other distro and bootsplash just worked ok, thanks anyway ill check it
[03:05] <thoreauputic> smo, jonoxer, set X11 forwarding yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[03:06] <geppy> visor: Erm, you shouldn't be able to have the bootscreen without the proprietary drivers, as far as I know.
[03:06] <visor> geppy: oh i see, thanks
[03:06] <Kirsch> yep, just the -X worked, thanks.
[03:07] <thoreauputic> jonoxer: xhost + is not really a good idea - security issues
[03:08] <LinuxJones> night all
[03:09] <visor> im very surprised with this distro, it just works, i never saw a gnome-based distro actually working :S
[03:09] <geppy> hahaha
[03:10] <geppy> I agree for the most part, except the whole xmms-not-working thing.
[03:10] <Kirsch> hey, is there NTFS read support?
[03:10] <geppy> Kirsch:  Yes.
[03:10] <mdz> geppy: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1724
[03:11] <mdz> jivera<EMAIL_ADDRESS>would be the place to send live CD stuff
[03:11] <jivera> mdz: Thanks.
[03:11] <mdz> jivera: a number of people have worked on it
[03:12] <jivera> mdz: Do you know if the resources used to construct the iso are available anywhere?
[03:12] <geppy> mdz:  Should I add myself to the CC list?
[03:12] <jivera> (i.e. so that others could contribute to keeping it up to date?)
[03:12] <geppy> nevermind, sorry.
[03:12] <visor> geppy: xmms does not work?
[03:13] <geppy> visor:  heh
[03:13] <geppy> visor: Thanks to mdz, it does, now.  :)
[03:13] <geppy> visor: I was missing a dependency.
[03:13] <mdz> there is an odd bug in the nvidia drivers which breaks xmms, but there is an easy workaround
[03:13] <visor> geppy: uhmm i see
[03:13] <mdz> I added a link to the BinaryDriverHowto now
[03:17] <Chriffer> jivera, I actually asked about the tools for the liveCD it was hinted that I should wait until after release to ask again, maybe I will check
[03:17] <jivera> Chriffer: It's after release now, isn't it?
[03:17] <Chriffer> it's based off of the morphix tool mmaker and isomorph
[03:17] <Chriffer> yes, I just didn't remember to check on it again
[03:22] <kapputu> any good IDE for remote development for GNOME ?
[03:22] <jivera> Chriffer: Ah.
[03:23] <david_> anyone know where ndiswrapper is?
[03:24] <Hikaru79> Wow
[03:24] <GotD0t> ?
[03:24] <Hikaru79> Been playing around with Ubuntu for the past hour or so
[03:24] <jivera> The Wiki says it's built into newer kernels.
[03:24] <Hikaru79> Man, this rocks ^__^
[03:24] <jivera> But you need ndiswrapper-utils.
[03:24] <jivera> (Either Wiki or FAQ talks about ndiswrapper... or maybe howto.  I forget.)
[03:25] <david_> I tried apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils, and it isn't found in main restricted or universe
[03:25] <Hikaru79> It's on Synaptic
[03:25] <Hikaru79> I just searched
[03:25] <Hikaru79> Try taht
[03:25] <Hikaru79> *that
[03:26] <NeoFax> I have an error evyrtime I try to install ubuntu. It gets to installing nic-extra-modules.. and then it erors by stating the md5sum errors
[03:26] <kapputu> any good IDE for remote development for GNOME ?
[03:26] <NeoFax> However, the md5sum is good
[03:27] <david_> OK, I just tried synaptic and searched ndiswrapper, and it was not found
[03:28] <david_> what repositories are you searching
[03:29] <dayson> how do I install a rpm file with fonts?
[03:30] <dayson> bob2: can you install a rpm package on ubuntu?
[03:30] <jivera> You can use alien to create a deb from an rpm.
[03:31] <dayson> how do I do that?
[03:31] <dayson> I am really new to linux so I dont know how to do much
[03:31] <thoreauputic> dayson: are you sure you need this rpm?
[03:31] <dayson> I think I do
[03:31] <WW> Yannick_: Sorry, I've been on the phone for awhile.  Did you find gstreamer0.8-mad?
[03:32] <dayson> I need the fonts for a windows program I am runing in cedega
[03:32] <kapputu> totem doesnt work
[03:32] <kapputu> totem-gstreamer
[03:32] <kapputu> how do i recompile mplayer with smb support
[03:32] <thoreauputic> dayson: Have you checked in synaptic t see if it's available as a deb?
[03:33] <Yannick_> WW, no
[03:33] <dayson> thoreauputic, its not there
[03:33] <thoreauputic> dayson: what is it? win ttf fonts or something like that?
[03:33] <dayson> thoreauputic, yes its msfonts
[03:35] <WW> Yannick_: That's strange.
[03:35] <jonoxer> thoreauputic: I know, I wasn't telling him to set "xhost +": I was saying to set "xhost +<IP_ADDRESS>"
[03:35] <jonoxer> or whatever the IP was
[03:35] <Yannick_> WW, i have to add universe repository?
[03:35] <thoreauputic> dayson: see if you can find a package called msttcorefonts
[03:36] <thoreauputic> dayson: I'm on debian , so it may be that package isn't available on ubuntu - but a deb for it exists
[03:37] <jonoxer> Yes, msttcorefonts is in ubuntu (in "universe", anyway)
[03:37] <thoreauputic> dayson: it enables you to install ms fonts
[03:37] <dayson> thoreauputic, I found msttcorefonts and I'm installing that
[03:37] <Yannick_> WW, I found it, thanx
[03:37] <dayson> thoreauputic, thanks
[03:37] <thoreauputic> dayson: OK - no problem
[03:38] <dayson> I have a another question though I was trying to use cedega to run steam but it just sits there and doesnt do anything and it wont work how do I close it or shit it down?
[03:38] <GotD0t> shut*
[03:38] <geppy> killall -9 wine
[03:41] <dayson> I have a another question though I was trying to use cedega to run steam but it just sits there and doesnt do anything and it wont work how do I close it or shit it down?
[03:41] <geppy> dayson: killall -9 wine
[03:41] <dayson> oops shut it down^
[03:42] <GoneBoB> and wineserver
[03:43] <dayson> danke!
[03:43] <Crimzon> Can anyone please tell me how to access my NTFS disks in ubutnu?
[03:44] <Crimzon> ubuntu :P
[03:45] <geppy> mount /dev/hd<disk identifier> /media/<location>
[03:45] <geppy> sudo mount /dev/hd<disk identifier> /media/<location>
[03:45] <GotD0t> media?
[03:45] <geppy> or mnt
[03:45] <geppy> I thought gnome 2.8 used media?
[03:46] <GotD0t> i dunno... but mnt is where i was told when i first did it
[03:46] <GotD0t> and isnt it hda<disk identifier>
[03:46] <noda> GotD0t: hda1 and hdb3 and hdd2 are all valid partition identifiers.
[03:46] <GotD0t> oh
[03:47] <kapputu> how do I compile mplayer with smb support
[03:47] <noda> GotD0t: hda: IDE channel 1, master. hdb: IDE channel 1, slave. hdc: IDE channel 2, master. hdd: IDE channel 3, slave.
[03:47] <TheMuso> kapputu: Have you checked the docs on how to build it?
[03:47] <geppy> kapputu:  Don't; download it.
[03:48] <geppy> kapputu:  Wait, mplayer has samba support?  I don't think that it does.
[03:48] <GotD0t> noda: good to know
[03:48] <dayson> wait so how would I mount a windows partition on another drive?
[03:48] <brettcar> why would mplayer need smb support?
[03:48] <GotD0t> yea?
[03:48] <noda> GotD0t: :)
[03:48] <Crimzon> it takes like 2 years to access my disks from "computer -> disks"... Something is very wrong here :(
[03:49] <kapputu> well i tried to play a mp3 which was on another machine and it said that mplayer doesnt have smb support and asked me to build with smb support
[03:49] <geppy> Oh.
[03:49] <thoreauputic> dayson: in a terminal, try just typing  sudo fdisk -l (to see what your disks and partitions are)
[03:50] <Hikaru79> Is K3B meant to be used only in KDE, or is it fine to run it under GNOME as well?
[03:50] <thoreauputic> Hikaru79: it's fine to run it anywhwere you wish
[03:51] <thoreauputic> Hikaru79: it will run in any desktop environment or window manager
[03:51] <regeya>   gcc-3.3: Depends: cpp-3.3 (< 1:3.3.5) but 1:3.3.5-2 is installed.
[03:51] <Crimzon> thoreauputic: /dev/hda1 - HPFS/NTFS
[03:51] <kapputu> everyone is sleeping on #mplayer
[03:51] <thoreauputic> Crimzon: on your machine, yes
[03:52] <Crimzon> both of them are NTFS
[03:52] <geppy> In redhat, I would use "rpm -q <package name>" to see if a package was installed, and what version it was.  How do I do this in Ubuntu?
[03:52] <thoreauputic> Crimzon: not necessarily on someone else's
[03:52] <ronaldraygun> anyone able to help me get my sound working?  i can't remember what i did when i installed fedora but it was something simple.  now ubuntu won't play sound
[03:52] <kapputu> what's your sound card ronald ?
[03:52] <rbrad> geppy: dpkg --list
[03:52] <ronaldraygun> sb live 5.1
[03:53] <daniels> whiprush: yeah, but running out to lunch, bbiab
[03:53] <ronaldraygun> it wasn't drivers or anything
[03:53] <thoreauputic> geppy: dpkg -l | grep <packagename>
[03:53] <Hikaru79> thoreaputic: Thanks :) But if it runs fine under GNOME, why does it ask to install a whole bunch of KDE packages when you install it through synaptic? (Such as kdelibs)... is this normal?
[03:54] <thoreauputic> Hikaru79: yes - it needs those to work
[03:54] <Hikaru79> Oh, OK :)
[03:54] <khc> Does ubuntu include hostap drivers>
[03:54] <Hikaru79> So it's nothing to worry about ^ ^:
[03:54] <geppy> thoreauputic:  Thanks.
[03:54] <kapputu> was your card detected ?
[03:54] <Lathiat> GotD0t: am now
[03:54] <kapputu> do a lspci
[03:54] <ronaldraygun> yes
[03:54] <kapputu> hmm
[03:55] <kapputu> is the volume up ?
[03:55] <khc> ronaldraygun: The yes is for my question?
[03:55] <ronaldraygun> i've opened volume control and made sure nothing's on mute and that everything's turned up a bit
[03:55] <ronaldraygun> khc no
[03:55] <regeya> guh.  nevermind.  I found the problem. :-P
[03:55] <treyh0> how come sleep USED to work on my ppc with ubuntu
[03:56] <treyh0> but all of the sudden doesnt work anymore, with no package updates :/
[03:56] <GotD0t> Lathiat: i cant compile one of the components of SynCE
[03:57] <Lathiat> GotD0t: which one?
[03:57] <GotD0t> Lathiat: Libsynce
[03:57] <Lathiat> GotD0t: you realise synce is in ubuntu....
[03:57] <GotD0t> is it?
[03:57] <Lathiat> it is
[03:57] <GotD0t> Lathiat: hmm, never saw it
[03:58] <GotD0t> Lathiat: oh you're right
[03:58] <bash_> if someone repositoried new from ubuntu.. ?
[03:58] <ronaldraygun> anyone know how to "fix" a resized partition so that it can be read from again
[03:58] <ronaldraygun> ?
[03:59] <socomm> ronaldraygun: resized how (EG: which utility).
[03:59] <ronaldraygun> mandrake installer CD
[03:59] <geppy> ronaldraygun:  fsck?
[03:59] <ronaldraygun> i've had a look at fsck and resizing but it keeps whinging that the drive size is bigger than the volume size
[04:00] <ronaldraygun> despite me making sure i'm entering a smaller value
[04:00] <socomm> ronaldraygun: Okay, what sort of partition (File System)
[04:00] <ronaldraygun> ext3
[04:00] <GotD0t> Lathiat: did you have to compile the tray from the source?
[04:01] <Lathiat> GotD0t: i think so
[04:01] <WW> bash_: What did you mean?
[04:01] <WW> oh well
[04:02] <NeoFax> Has anyone actually done a install of ubuntu using KNOPPIX as stated in the wiki?
[04:02] <ronaldraygun> socomm, i tried running fsck with no flags and it just kept whinging at me
[04:02] <ronaldraygun> and i was unable to resize it from there
[04:02] <socomm> ronaldraygun: I've never seen that error.
[04:02] <dayson> Hello again can someone tell me how to get steam working right on cedega? I have both installed but when I go to run steam it gets locked up when trying to unock some half life 2 files can someone one please help me
[04:03] <socomm> ronaldraygun: try running `fsck -py'
[04:03] <ronaldraygun> ok, i'll scoot on back later
[04:03] <socomm> Which will try to repair your partition, and assume yes to all questions.
[04:03] <Despair> dayson: hl2 is not supported by cedega yet. Also, cedega questions ought to be asked in #cedega.
[04:04] <ronaldraygun> will that destroy any data?
[04:04] <socomm> ronaldraygun: no, it will repair any badblocks, and I think move anything bad to `/lost+found'
[04:04] <dayson> okay well I will ask that in #cedega but I do have another issue
[04:05] <socomm> bad meaning bad data.
[04:05] <ronaldraygun> ok, cheers
[04:05] <dayson> I cant change my screen resolution
[04:05] <socomm> Yeah, good luck.
[04:05] <dayson> I dont know if my vid drivers are messed up or what
[04:09] <bluefoxicy> there's no full net install cds?
[04:09] <geppy> no
[04:10] <NeoFax> bluefoxicy: I wish there were.  I could then possibly install ubuntu without having to try all kinds of crazy configs
[04:11] <bluefoxicy> i just don't want to download this whole cd
[04:11] <socomm> >:^)
[04:12] <socomm> bluefoxicy: There are ways to customize your own ISO.
[04:12] <NeoFax> I have like 3 cds burned of it, but all seem to not work.  I get md5sum errors.  The md5sum checks on the iso and the cd and all of the files on the cd.  However, when I try to install I get an md5sum error.
[04:12] <socomm> bluefoxicy: though time consuming.
[04:13] <NeoFax> socomm: Could you explain how to turn a ubuntu CD into a netinstall CD.  Downloading the files from archives.ubuntulinux.com?
[04:14] <ronaldraygun> socomm, no luck
[04:14] <thursday> hello all
[04:14] <thursday> is there a way to get a grahpical boot instead of the text only boot?
[04:14] <socomm> NeoFax: Haven't done it myself but I'm sure you can figure it out with enough work.
[04:15] <thursday> like where all the kernel and init script goes
[04:15] <Kirsch> is it possible to use the 32Bit version of flash on 64Bit?
[04:15] <socomm> ronaldraygun: have you tried http://www.google.com/linux
[04:15] <ronaldraygun> no
[04:15] <Kirsch> Does Macromedia know that those people are probably very upset at them?
[04:15] <Kirsch> lol
[04:15] <socomm> paste the error verbatim into that search engine, and follow any relevant links.
[04:16] <NeoFax> Yeah, I have tried doing a PXE netboot with a TFTP server.  No luck.  I am going to start working on booting a KNOPPIX CD and then following the wiki by doing a chroot install.
[04:17] <kensai> is anybody here getting proper speed with the nvidia drivers?
[04:17] <kensai> on ubuntu?
[04:17] <socomm> kensai: Yes.
[04:17] <kensai> I have only 2000 fps
[04:17] <geppy> Only 2000 FPS?
[04:17] <kensai> and on onebaselinux I've had 3000
[04:17] <geppy> What are you running, glxgears?
[04:18] <geppy> Well, then run onebaselinux.
[04:18] <kensai> glxgears
[04:18] <geppy> I generally get around 2,000 FPS.
[04:18] <kensai> no I'm not saying it is better
[04:18] <geppy> on any distro
[04:18] <FooManGNU> Hey all, I'm having some trouble with the install... When it gets to the kernel it dies with a package not found.  I md5'd the .iso and the cd and everything is kosher, any ideas?
[04:18] <kensai> I'm not mad at ubuntu so don't tell me to go back
[04:19] <kensai> what nvidia card you have?
[04:19] <socomm> Can you really tell the difference once you hit 60+ fps?
[04:19] <GotD0t> Lathiat: this is so irritating... i cant get it working
[04:20] <Despair> socomm: yes, lower input and network latency in single-threaded games.
[04:20] <kensai> is just a matter of curiosity
[04:20] <Despair> kensai: glxgears isn't a good benchmark, so it may just be a quirk caused by differening system configs.
[04:20] <kensai> I guess what was boosting my nvidia speed was xorg
[04:20] <Lathiat> GotD0t: heh whats the problem
[04:21] <kensai> Ohhhh thanks Despair
[04:21] <Despair> kensai: no, more likely the difference is in agp gart setting or in mtrr settings.
[04:21] <thursday> anyone? how to gete a graphical boot going?
[04:21] <kensai> in mtrr settings? Whats this.
[04:22] <GotD0t> Lathiat: well i installed it via apt, it asked me a couple config questions... then after install i try sudo synce-serial-start and it tells me it cant find the device settings
[04:22] <FooManGNU> Anyone have _any_ clue??  I really want to play with this, but. . .
[04:22] <Despair> kensai: first step, make sure agpgart is enabled: cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status (don't paste to channel)
[04:22] <Lathiat> GotD0t: sudo synce-serial-config ttyS0 (or ttyS1 etc)....
[04:22] <Despair> first line should be `Status: Enabled`
[04:22] <GotD0t> Lathiat: like i said... USB
[04:22] <Lathiat> oh
[04:22] <Lathiat> then you still have to config it
[04:22] <Lathiat> do you have a /dev/ttyUSB0
[04:23] <GotD0t> tried... keeps telling me the device doesnt exist
[04:23] <Lathiat> like.. ls /dev/ttyUSB0
[04:23] <Lathiat> and the device will have to be plugged in and on for that to come up
[04:23] <GotD0t> it is
[04:23] <Lathiat> plug it in, do a dmesg, see if anythign came up
[04:24] <bluefoxicy>            => `warty-release-install-amd64.iso.tmpdir/archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefox_0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb'
[04:24] <bluefoxicy> wtf is tihs
[04:24] <GotD0t> lathiat: its plugged in, but its not listed
[04:24] <tseng> bluefoxicy: uh, it was reverted because PR sucked
[04:24] <WW> GotD0t: unplug and plug in again?
[04:25] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  the security fixes were backported?
[04:25] <tseng> yes
[04:25] <bluefoxicy> good
[04:25] <bluefoxicy> I was about to go stabbing at people from hell's heart
[04:25] <bluefoxicy> Found 10 of the 485 files required by the template
[04:25] <bluefoxicy> Jigdo is so nice.
[04:25] <bluefoxicy> it finds 10 things then complains tehn finds the next 10 and eventually teh win.
[04:25] <GotD0t> whats jigdo?
[04:26] <bluefoxicy> ...
[04:26] <bluefoxicy> it downloads files and assembles them into bigger files.
[04:27] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  have you used ubuntu?
[04:27] <tseng> uhm, yes
[04:27] <bluefoxicy> how's it fare?
[04:27] <bluefoxicy> it's not going to blow up in my face like sarge did is it?
[04:27] <tseng> no
[04:27] <tseng> its nice.
[04:27] <bluefoxicy> oh good.
[04:27] <socomm> bluefoxicy: no we just like to pose on IRC channels.
[04:28] <bluefoxicy> then I'll have something useful next time I decide to reinstall, instead of a 100M basic install CD :)
[04:28] <Lathiat> GotD0t: no idea, try google...
[04:29] <PenguinBoy1> evening guys!
[04:29] <GotD0t> Lathiat: why are there so many tty's listed, but not the ttyUSB's
[04:29] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  how many distros DO you have installed anyway?
[04:29] <PenguinBoy1> can someone analyze my problem
[04:29] <tseng> 3 or 4 bluefoxicy
[04:30] <Lathiat> GotD0t: the ttys are pre-created
[04:30] <tseng> only ubuntu at my home
[04:30] <Lathiat> GotD0t: ttyUSB are only created if theres a USB serial device
[04:30] <socomm> PenguinBoy1: analyze this.
[04:30] <PenguinBoy1> lol
[04:30] <PenguinBoy1> lol
[04:30] <bluefoxicy> on the same machine
[04:30] <PenguinBoy1> lol
[04:30] <bluefoxicy> it had a 6 gig hard disk too.
[04:30] <PenguinBoy1> i am having trouble with apt-get update
[04:30] <bluefoxicy> AND it had win98SE
[04:30] <GotD0t> Lathiat: but it doesnt list any of my USB devices (two of which i use on a regular basis)
[04:30] <Lathiat> GotD0t: but are they serial usb devices?
[04:31] <socomm> PenguinBoy1: more info please.
[04:31] <Lathiat> GotD0t: like i said, ti only comes up if there is a usb *serial* device
[04:31] <GotD0t> Lathiat: oh i dunno... does a printer count as a serial usb dev?
[04:31] <Lathiat> GotD0t: i.e. a usb-serial convertor, etc
[04:31] <Lathiat> GotD0t: and no, it doesnt
[04:31] <Lathiat> GotD0t: nor does a mouse, or most usb devices other than those that present a serial driver interface
[04:31] <PenguinBoy1> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[04:31] <PenguinBoy1> Reading Package Lists... Done
[04:31] <PenguinBoy1> edd: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[04:31] <GotD0t> Lathiat: hmm
[04:31] <Lathiat> GotD0t: like i said, google for your ce device and linux
[04:33] <socomm> PenguinBoy1: try updating again, or try removing that repo from your sources.list.
[04:34] <PenguinBoy1> thanks
[04:34] <PenguinBoy1> the proper syntax is apt-get update?
[04:35] <geppy> yes
[04:35] <socomm> PenguinBoy1: Yes.
[04:35] <PenguinBoy1> thanks
[04:35] <PenguinBoy1> and the updates are automatically installed?
[04:35] <geppy> no
[04:35] <geppy> apt-get upgrade
[04:35] <socomm> PenguinBoy1: no, that just refreshes your apt-cache.
[04:35] <socomm> PenguinBoy1: to upgrade you'll need to run `apt-get upgrade'.
[04:36] <WW> PenguinBoy1: Just in case you're not aware of this: put "sudo" in front of all those commands.
[04:36] <PenguinBoy1> ao is apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade the same command?
[04:36] <socomm> PenguinBoy1: no.
[04:37] <thursday> has anyone used bootsplash?
[04:37] <ronaldraygun> socomm, i couldn't find anything really useful on google
[04:37] <aLi`> me thursday, but on gentoo
[04:38] <ronaldraygun> i can, however, mount the partition by editing fstab
[04:38] <ronaldraygun> i just can't open any of the folders because of permission denied
[04:39] <PenguinBoy1> socomm what is the significance of sudo in the apt-get command
[04:39] <thursday> aLi`, damn, i'm trying to get it going on may unbuntu laptop
[04:39] <geppy> sudo gives you root priveleges
[04:39] <geppy> You can't install packages as a user.
[04:39] <socomm> sudo (8)             - execute a command as another user
[04:39] <WW> PenguinBoy1: Did you use sudo when you got the error ?
[04:39] <PenguinBoy1> no WW
[04:39] <socomm> In this case as the `Super User'.
[04:39] <WW> PenguinBoy1: There's your problem.
[04:39] <PenguinBoy1> but I was signed onto the root terminal
[04:40] <WW> PenguinBoy1: Oh. Nevermind.
[04:40] <PenguinBoy1> does apt-get use the repositorie listing from Synaptic?
[04:40] <WW> PenguinBoy1: Yes, they use the repository
[04:41] <PenguinBoy1> should all the repositories be checked in Synaptic?
[04:41] <socomm> PenguinBoy1: synaptic is just a frontend for apt.
[04:41] <WW> PenguinBoy1: Just be sure none are duplicates.
[04:42] <PenguinBoy1> are deb and deb-src duplicates?
[04:42] <WW> PenguinBoy1: no.
[04:42] <geppy> deb = source code
[04:42] <geppy> ~deb-src = source code
[04:43] <geppy> deb = binary installer
[04:43] <geppy> If you get deb-src, you have to compile it yourself.
[04:43] <socomm> -dev == header files, needed for development purposes.
[04:43] <PenguinBoy1> can you add other repositiories to the Synaptic listing to make for a more complete system?
[04:44] <geppy> Yes/
[04:44] <GotD0t> Lathias: hmm... well I could do a wireless sync with my win2k box
[04:44] <socomm> PenguinBoy1: you need to add them to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:44] <PenguinBoy1> where can you get a listing of these repositories>?
[04:44] <geppy> Using Synaptic, you can just add them with the GUI./
[04:44] <WW> PenguinBoy1: There is a Synaptic Howto on the wiki.
[04:44] <geppy> google.com
[04:44] <socomm> PenguinBoy1: than `apt-get update'
[04:44] <socomm> geppy: I don't use synaptic.
[04:45] <WW> PenguinBoy1: FYI 'apt-get update' is the same as the Reload button in Synaptic.
[04:45] <PenguinBoy1> thankls
[04:45] <PenguinBoy1> can /etc/apt/sources.list be updated by adding repositiories through Synaptic?
[04:46] <GoneBoB> yes
[04:46] <PenguinBoy1> or must you do both?
[04:46] <WW> PenguinBoy1: You can do it all in Synaptic.
[04:46] <PenguinBoy1> thaks
[04:46] <socomm> PenguinBoy1: according to people here you can do it either way.
[04:47] <visor> geppy: uhmm do you have lilo installed instead of grub? (sorry to bother, still cant do this bootsplash thing)
[04:47] <geppy> visor:  No, I'm using grub.
[04:47] <geppy> IAre you trying to set up a grub bootsplash?
[04:47] <geppy> or lilo?
[04:47] <WW> PenguinBoy1: Settings->Repositories is a GUI for modifying sources.list
[04:47] <socomm> visor: there's an entry to getting a bootsplash on grub.
[04:48] <socomm> visor: on ubuntus wiki.
[04:48] <visor> geppy: grub, but its odd, it doesnt even seem that bootsplash is installed
[04:48] <geppy> socomm:  Why does this channel not have a wiki bot?  so you can say ~wiki-bootsplash
[04:48] <geppy> or something like that
[04:48] <GotD0t> because that would be too easy
[04:48] <geppy> visor:  Are you talking about the grub bootsplash, or a bootsplash for when you're actually loading the OS?
[04:49] <geppy> GotD0t:  hahaha
[04:49] <WW> geppy: Think of all the people who would lose their jobs if that happened...
[04:49] <geppy> hahahahaha
[04:49] <visor> geppy: both of them, but at least the bootsplash would be nice (not the grub one, but rather the one when your loading the kernel)
[04:49] <geppy> What, y'all are getting paid for this?  =)
[04:50] <geppy> visor:  check the wiki
[04:51] <WW> geppy: Nah, I just hang out here for all the Ubuntu love.  Someday I hope to frolic nekkid with two beautiful young women.
[04:51] <PenguinBoy1> LOL
[04:51] <PenguinBoy1> LOL
[04:51] <PenguinBoy1> LOL
[04:51] <PenguinBoy1> me 2
[04:51] <socomm> geppy: Don't know you'll have to ask some of the devs who hang out here.
[04:52] <GotD0t> hahaha, i love it... one of the google ads on linux.org is for a site labeled "Linus" but sells snoopy apparel
[04:52] <socomm> GotD0t: Peanuts has a character named linus.
[04:52] <kapputu> hi guys
[04:53] <socomm> GotD0t: I believe it's that dude who plays the piano.
[04:53] <kapputu> the net has become slow
[04:53] <GoneBoB> kapputu: you need a turbo
[04:53] <kapputu> what's that
[04:53] <GotD0t> scomm: i know... i just think its funny that it happens like that
[04:53] <KentutMerah> does ubuntu have a live-cd version ?
[04:53] <socomm> Yes.
[04:53] <GoneBoB> kapputu: it's an impeller connected to a turbine, and is a positive feedback device
[04:53] <GoneBoB> however, I'm just pulling your leg
[04:54] <kapputu> from there ?
[04:54] <kapputu> interesting !!
[04:54] <kapputu> :-)
[04:54] <kensai> how does one edit the swap partition size on install?
[04:54] <GoneBoB> :)
[04:54] <GoneBoB> kensai: select it and press enter?
[04:54] <kapputu> ubuntu is great
[04:54] <kapputu> firefox with extensions is slow
[04:55] <kensai> yeah but I change the size and hit enter and the size that was previosly selected stays
[04:55] <gobeavs> hi
[04:56] <FooManGNU> Would anyone care to give me a wee pointer on how to get by the linux-i386 package missing?
[04:56] <izaac> hi if i want to add an external packages source there will be no problem?
[04:57] <socomm> FooManGNU: No. :^P
[04:57] <mdz> izaac: it depends on what is in the source
[04:57] <izaac> for example the nerim sources one?
[04:57] <mdz> izaac: you do not need the nerim one; everything there is in multiverse
[04:57] <izaac> libdvdcss too?
[04:58] <mdz> izaac: well, not that
[04:58] <izaac> see ;P
[04:58] <FooManGNU> Seriously though, I've found one post in the 'unoffical' (English) forum on this, and I'm not trying to do it via a knoppix install..
[04:58] <izaac> so mdz: i  can?
[04:58] <mdz> izaac: you can, but don't blame us if it breaks :-)
[04:58] <socomm> FooManGNU: don't know never had that problem myself
[04:58] <mdz> FooManGNU: what is the problem exactly?
[04:59] <geppy> FooManGNU: reburn the cd already
[04:59] <FooManGNU> Install dies looking for the linux-i386 package..
[04:59] <izaac> mdz: then whare can i find the ubuntu libdvdcss or womething that no crashes with my ubuntu?
[04:59] <FooManGNU> geppy, md5'd the iso, cdrom burn, and checked, everything is kosher...
[04:59] <izaac> or i need to do the package myself?
[04:59] <geppy> FooManGNU:  Yeah, but if it isn't working...
[04:59] <gobeavs> has there been any problems with partitioning and formatting reported?
[05:00] <gobeavs> My system won't write the partition to disk
[05:00] <FooManGNU> geppy, to add insult to it, the sucker install's under VMWare...
[05:00] <gobeavs> and I have tried a lot of combinations
[05:00] <geppy> FooManGNU: heh... ouch
[05:00] <izaac> =|
[05:00] <izaac> or i need to wait for the ubuntu lbdvdcss release :(
[05:00] <WW> izaac: Get it from marillat
[05:01] <FooManGNU> what's in /var/log/messages is it complaining that it can't stat the source package list file
[05:01] <izaac> WW: ok let me check
[05:01] <FooManGNU> Tells me that I may want to run apt-get, then says it cannot find the linux-i386 package. . .
[05:02] <mdz> FooManGNU: I assume you mean linux-386
[05:02] <mdz> if it said linux-i386 that would be a very odd bug
[05:02] <FooManGNU> mdz, Nope, it's saying linux-i386
[05:02] <mdz> FooManGNU: what is the complete text of the error message?
[05:02] <izaac> WW: nerim is a marillat mirror :|
[05:04] <bur[n] er> izaac: apt-get.org ?
[05:05] <izaac> ok now, there will be no problem adding the blackdown source to get the j2sdk1.4?
[05:05] <izaac> bur[n] er: thanks i alredy try that
[05:05] <FooManGNU> mdz, put it on pastebin.com under my nick.
[05:06] <PenguinBoy1> thanks for the assistance guys...I am gonna go play with Synaptic!
[05:06] <izaac> :O
[05:06] <WW> Hey GAIM/IRC gurus: What does is mean when someone's message is this:  (There was an error converting this message.  Check the 'Encoding' option in the Account Editor)
[05:06] <FooManGNU> I'm going to reburn the .iso file, just for mine and geppy's sake :)
[05:06] <mdz> FooManGNU: that is the first error?
[05:06] <WW> WW: Did the author use a nasty word?
[05:06] <mdz> because it sounds like your CD is broken
[05:07] <mdz> that message doesn't mention linux-i386; was that in a different message?
[05:07] <socomm> WW: the message is in a different character encoding.
[05:07] <kapputu> how long does it take to get the free CDs ?
[05:08] <FooManGNU> mdz, K, I'll assume it is a dead CD :/ I'd just eliminated it since the md5 was correct and I got a working setup from it in VMWare...
[05:08] <kapputu> i ordered them almost 20 days back
[05:08] <mdz> FooManGNU: in the same machine or a different one?
[05:08] <mdz> kapputu: /topic
[05:08] <HeadHuntr> wow   it's busy in here
[05:08] <FooManGNU> mdz, Same machine
[05:08] <HeadHuntr> hi folks   i just installed the warty on a p3 500
[05:08] <mdz> kapputu: the release only happened 5 days ago
[05:08] <mdz> kapputu: and it takes some time to have the CDs pressed
[05:09] <HeadHuntr> i got warty to replace a very slow xandros and i'm very happy
[05:09] <kapputu> nope i ordered the test releases ?
[05:09] <kapputu> yahoo doesn't work on gaim
[05:10] <geppy> kapputu:  Oh?
[05:11] <kapputu> geppy: is that surprising or are you being sarcastic ?
[05:11] <GotD0t> kapputu: yea... i believe they changed their protocol in some way... as Yahoo didnt work on Trillian for windows
[05:11] <geppy> kapputu: surprised
[05:11] <geppy> kapputu:  Worked for me a week ago.
[05:12] <geppy> kapputu:  Don't like !Y, though, so I haven't been on.
[05:12] <geppy> didn't re-add it to the accounts.xml after I installed Ubuntu.
[05:12] <kapputu> i use it very rarely
[05:12] <kapputu> accounts.xml ??
[05:12] <geppy> ~/.gaim/accounts.xml
[05:12] <geppy> the accounts config file
[05:12] <WW> I am trying to burn an ISO with Nautilus. I am using the "Write to Disc" option in the right-click menu.
[05:13] <geppy> use k3b
[05:13] <WW> Is there a way to change the speed?
[05:13] <geppy> Yes, use k3b
[05:13] <geppy> only decent KDE app
[05:13] <WW> geppy: Thanks, I may eventually use k3b, but I'd like to see if I can figure this out, too.
[05:13] <Kirsch> is there x.org for ubuntu yet?
[05:13] <kapputu> it tries to login but doesnt
[05:13] <GoneBoB> Kirsch: no
[05:14] <FLeiXiuS> geppy, gnome > kde :-)
[05:14] <socomm> kapputu: msn?
[05:14] <FLeiXiuS> but I do have to say, k3b is quite nice
[05:14] <kapputu> yahoo
[05:14] <Kirsch> FLeiXiuS: :-)
[05:14] <socomm> FLeiXiuS: k3b > nautilus cd burner
[05:14] <WW> In the "Write to Disc" window, the Write Speed option is grayed out, but it says "Maximum possible"
[05:14] <socomm> kapputu: use the yahoo messenger.
[05:14] <thoreauputic> WW: if you don't mind cli, the cdrecord program has many options for speed etc
[05:15] <socomm> kapputu: actually have you tried upgrading gaim, some older version are locked out by Y!
[05:15] <WW> thoreauputic: I don't mind CLI, but I'd still like to see if I can do it in Nautilus.
[05:16] <kapputu> apt says the newest version is installed
[05:16] <thoreauputic> WW: OK - I don't know about that
[05:16] <FLeiXiuS> socomm, definately k3b > all :-)
[05:17] <thursday> WW, yeah mine just workds... did you create the user manually by any chance?
[05:17] <kapputu> hmm why wouldn't gaim wok
[05:17] <socomm> KDE 3.* freezes up on me for no obvious reason.
[05:17] <socomm> kapputu: works here, you may need to upgrade.
[05:17] <slade_> how can i enable a user to su
[05:18] <WW> thursday: I am the only user, and the original installer.
[05:18] <socomm> /etc/sudoers
[05:18] <kapputu> gaim 1.0.0 is old ?
[05:18] <GotD0t> yea
[05:18] <GotD0t> theres a newer one... but afaik its only available on their site
[05:18] <socomm> kapputu: gaim 1.0.0 + Y! works here.
[05:19] <socomm> kapputu: maybe your password/username.
[05:19] <kapputu> hmm nope
[05:20] <socomm> kapputu: 1.0.2 is out, you may want to give that a try.
[05:20] <izaac> well i got problems installing the j2sdk package in their place i installed the GCJ one ;P i'll try the opensource way
[05:20] <socomm> kapputu: if you're really desperate http://messenger.yahoo.com
[05:20] <kapputu> no am not desperate
[05:20] <kapputu> but i would like yahoo to work with gaim
[05:20] <slade_> socomm: my user is in the sudoers file
[05:20] <slade_> but i cant su -
[05:21] <slade_> nm i got it
[05:21] <slade_> sudo su -
[05:21] <izaac> slade_: use sudo instead
[05:21] <GoneBoB> sudo -s
[05:21] <socomm> slade_: Okay.
[05:21] <GoneBoB> fives you a shell
[05:21] <GoneBoB> gives
[05:21] <izaac> =O
[05:21] <WW> I'm trying to duplicate a CD.  I created an image with dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso.  I then check that /dev/cdrom and file.iso have the same md5sum.
[05:22] <WW> Then used nautilus to write file.iso to a disk
[05:22] <WW> When I try to check the md5sum of /dev/cdrom, I get an error.
[05:22] <WW> error processing /dev/cdrom: failed in buffer_read(fd): mdfile: Input/output error
[05:23] <WW> Any ideas?
[05:23] <WW> wait, don't tell me... use k3b :)
[05:23] <thursday> lol
[05:23] <thursday> that sucks... mine just worked . :(
[05:23] <kapputu> what's k3b
[05:24] <WW> kapputu: A very nice CD burning program.
[05:24] <thursday> does anyone know what wiki engine powers the ubuntu wiki?
[05:24] <kapputu> ic
[05:24] <socomm> kapputu: A front end for cdrecord, cdrao, cdda2wav, etc...
[05:24] <WW> thursday: current: moin; future plone
[05:24] <socomm> kapputu: in short a cd burning program
[05:24] <kapputu> is it a KDE program ?
[05:24] <socomm> kapputu: yes, utilizes the QT library.
[05:25] <thursday> thanks man
[05:25] <bhsx> hi, i'm a gnome newbie, for sure.  I'm enjoying ubuntu very much as my first experience with it.
[05:25] <kapputu> trying to find a good Perl IDE for GNOME
[05:26] <geppy> :)
[05:26] <GoneBoB> gvim
[05:26] <geppy> kapputu:  how long have you been doing this?
[05:26] <kapputu> hmm for remote development
[05:26] <geppy> look on google.com/linux
[05:26] <socomm> gvim == 'teh' suxor
[05:26] <geppy> You'll be happier faster.
[05:26] <kapputu> something like editplus for windows
[05:26] <geppy> vim == teh r0x0r
[05:26] <kapputu> geppy : doing what ?
[05:26] <slade_> kapputu: editplus is 1337\
[05:26] <geppy> kapputu:  Looking for an IDE.
[05:26] <socomm> kapputu: kate
[05:26] <bhsx> i'd like to know where nautilus mounts smb shares when the location bar says "smb://host/share"
[05:26] <geppy> slade: NO!!!1
[05:26] <geppy> :)
[05:26] <socomm> kate is all you'll ever need if you're into KDE.
[05:26] <kapputu> what's 1337
[05:26] <GoneBoB> bhsx: it doesn't
[05:27] <kapputu> GNOME
[05:27] <socomm> 1337 == elite.
[05:28] <bhsx> well, i need to access that share via terminal, what's the command again... after mkdir /mnt/share is it "mount -t smbfs -o usre //host/share /mnt/share"?
[05:29] <izaac> oh man :| now i got problems with ogm tools
[05:30] <bhsx> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //gwy700gr/dvd,
[05:30] <bhsx>        or too many mounted file systems
[05:30] <kapputu> anything for GNOME ?
[05:30] <bhsx> ??  what should i do about something like that?
[05:30] <jay> where does gnome 2.8 store its filesystem icons?
[05:31] <jay> looking for icon for smb share
[05:31] <socomm> kapputu: gedit
[05:31] <kapputu> for remote development ?
[05:31] <kapputu> i was suggested emacs + tramp
[05:32] <jay> anyone?
[05:32] <socomm> Dunno, I don't have any experience there.
[05:32] <socomm> Jay hold on.
[05:32] <thoreauputic> jay: /usr/share/pixmaps I think
[05:32] <kapputu> that's ok.. thanx for trying to help
[05:32] <socomm> Nevermind someone answered.
[05:33] <jay> dont see it there
[05:33] <jay> is there a filesystem directory
[05:34] <socomm> jay: the system wide icons are stored there, you can install your own icon set under ~/.icons
[05:34] <jay> an smb share
[05:34] <kapputu> dint get any help for mplayer with smb support
[05:34] <socomm> jaalto: http://www.gnome-look.org
[05:34] <thoreauputic> jay: open a terminal and do : locate icons | grep gnome | grep smb
[05:34] <socomm> s/jaalto/jay
[05:35] <thoreauputic> jay: that brings up a few results here - your mileage may vary
[05:36] <kapputu> how do i install glib using apt ?
[05:36] <socomm> kapputu: `apt-cache search glib | less'
[05:36] <crimsun> glib2 is already installed
[05:37] <crimsun> if you're trying to compile something, then you need libglib2.0-dev
[05:38] <bhsx> is there a "PLF" of sorts yet for ubuntu?  a repository for things like win32-codecs and java amongst other "controvercial" packages?
[05:38] <jay> found it great thanks in /usr/share/icons
[05:38] <geppy> google.com
[05:39] <socomm> bhsx: that's in the wiki somewhere.
[05:39] <socomm> bhsx: I also wrote a tutorial on how to get mplayer going, if you're interested.
[05:39] <bhsx> yes, very
[05:39] <bhsx> thanks
[05:40] <socomm> http://samesoft.sf.net/juan/umplayer
[05:40] <bhsx> i do like the ubuntu cleanness, and I am going to give it a chance, but where's a good kde repository?
[05:40] <geppy> bshx:  not on ubuntu
[05:41] <Despair> universe, multiverse
[05:41] <SuperQ> evening all
[05:41] <geppy> have any of you used dbfs?
[05:41] <geppy> evening
[05:41] <socomm> Dragon Ball FS?
[05:41] <socomm> :)
[05:41] <SuperQ> haha
[05:41] <geppy> SuperQ:  how did you arrive at "trogdor.likes.to.burninate.net"? =D
[05:41] <WW> Four coasters later, I guess I'll install k3b.
[05:41] <geppy> hahaha
[05:42] <SuperQ> geppy: i own burninate.net
[05:42] <geppy> database filesystem: http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/projects/dbfs/
[05:42] <socomm> Motoral had a chip called Dragon Ball something.
[05:42] <geppy> SuperQ: Sweet.  :)
[05:42] <SuperQ> geppy: :)
[05:43] <SuperQ> ok.. so universe/squirrelmail is 1.5.0 which is based on the old unstable development package
[05:43] <SuperQ> which had broken deps
[05:43] <SuperQ> squirrelmail was moved back to 1.4.3a stable
[05:43] <SuperQ> it'd be nice if ubuntu folowed suit
[05:43] <jay> i need help... how do i make a shortcut for an smb share on my desktop?
[05:43] <jay> i want to click it and get it mounted
[05:43] <SuperQ> jay: hrm
[05:44] <socomm> jaalto: computer->network
[05:44] <jay> is it possible?
[05:45] <socomm> gah sorry jaalto, I meant jay.
[05:45] <bhsx> socomm, can you remind me of the correct syntax for mounting a passwd protected smb share?
[05:45] <socomm> jay go to computer->network then copy that stuff to your desktop
[05:45] <jay> ah ok
[05:45] <SuperQ> you should be able to drag a shortcut from Computer/Network
[05:45] <socomm> bhsx I'm not fortunate enough to have to deal with smb, sorry.
[05:46] <kapputu> socomm, I get two errors when i boot
[05:46] <kapputu> something like modprobe, error pciehp operation not permitted
[05:46] <kapputu> something to do with the hotplug system
[05:46] <kapputu> this makes my bootup slow
[05:47] <socomm> kapputu: you can get rid of that stuff, should be under /etc/init.d/
[05:47] <kapputu> can't find them there
[05:48] <jay> no java still :(
[05:48] <socomm> kapputu: /etc/init.d/hotplug
[05:48] <jay> no apt-get install java
[05:48] <jay> :(
[05:48] <socomm> kapputu: I forget the proper way to get rid of it but you can move it to your /roots directory
[05:48] <socomm> kapputu: and that will stop it from doing all that hot plug stuff at boot.
[05:48] <GotD0t> socomm: thats a very well written mplayer tut
[05:49] <socomm> GotD0t: Thanks, though I really dislike it.
[05:49] <GotD0t> socomm: why?
[05:49] <jay> any other way around getting java in ubuntu
[05:49] <socomm> GotD0t: dunno, it still somewhat incomplete.
[05:49] <thoreauputic> jay: java is "non-free" in the liberty/open sense - you wil have to go to the sun website to get it, unless you can locate a working blackdown java apt source (currently an issue)
[05:49] <kapputu> move entire hotplug file ?
[05:49] <kapputu> ok one more thing
[05:49] <kapputu> it tries to look for a network interface
[05:50] <GotD0t> socomm: just so you know, the codec tarball link is outdated
[05:50] <kapputu> and takes up a long time there
[05:50] <jay> thoreauputic, ok thanks
[05:50] <jay> i forget how to install the tar from sun
[05:50] <jay> so i guess i will wait on that
[05:50] <socomm> GotD0t: I know that was just a lazy way to write it though.
[05:50] <thoreauputic> jay: read the instructions, if all else fails ;)
[05:50] <socomm> GotD0t: Which is why it's still incomplete.
[05:51] <jay> ugh instructions :P
[05:52] <WW> Oh man, k3b has goofy sound effects.
[05:52] <izaac> anyone know how can i play an ogm file?
[05:52] <socomm> WW: hehe.
[05:52] <socomm> izaac: mplayer
[05:52] <crimsun> izaac: mplayer
[05:53] <socomm> izaac: anime?
[05:53] <izaac> socomm: yeap
[05:53] <GotD0t> haha
[05:53] <izaac> i cant do it with the default media player that comes with ubuntu?
[05:53] <crimsun> ogm has nothing to do w/ anime
[05:54] <izaac> Totem of something
[05:54] <izaac> or*
[05:54] <crimsun> you can create a mp3 file wrapped with ogg called ogm
[05:54] <socomm> crimsun: lucky guess.
[05:54] <crimsun> or any movie file
[05:54] <socomm> crimsun: just that some anime subbers like to release their files under ogm because you can offer different language subs under one file.
[05:57] <socomm> izaac: you may have to install the right codecs to play ogm under totem.
[05:58] <WW> If k3b needs cdrdao to burn CDs, why is that not a dependency in apt?
[05:59] <GotD0t> WW: probably because it doesnt directly use any of cdrdao's files to run k3b
[06:01] <GotD0t> WW: if that makes sense
[06:03] <WW> GotD0t: Sort of, but it sounds like a technical, hair-splitting distinction that only a dev would love.
[06:03] <SuperQ> ok.. so i can't file bugs against universe
[06:04] <SuperQ> and there are bugs that can be fixed by syncing with sarge
[06:04] <SuperQ> what's the procedure?
[06:04] <SuperQ> am I just stuck with the crap in universe?
[06:05] <GoneBoB> if you wait.. for a short time
[06:05] <GoneBoB> you will be able to get packages from hoary
[06:05] <SuperQ> ok
[06:05] <GoneBoB> which will be cyned with current sarge
[06:05] <SuperQ> ok
[06:05] <SuperQ> that'd be good
[06:06] <GoneBoB> *sycned
[06:06] <GoneBoB> bah synced
[06:06] <GoneBoB> yes :)
[06:06] <GoneBoB> that should be within a few days
[06:06] <SuperQ> cause I have a bunch of bugs that got fixed back in july with sarge
[06:06] <SuperQ> and I have to get them re-fxied all over again
[06:06] <SuperQ> hehe
[06:06] <GoneBoB> universe re-syncs with debian testing for each release
[06:07] <SuperQ> hrm
[06:07] <GoneBoB> but the packages can also be resynced on request, I'm not sure what the official line on that is though
[06:07] <SuperQ> what about with stable?
[06:07] <SuperQ> (if sarge ever goes stable)
[06:07] <GoneBoB> that'll be a topic for then, however it's highly likely to continue tracking testing
[06:07] <SuperQ> dieman claims there will be some new form/procedure for sync requests
[06:07] <SuperQ> ok
[06:07] <GoneBoB> there will be
[06:07] <GoneBoB> currently it's a case of ask
[06:07] <SuperQ> ok
[06:08] <SuperQ> what about binary compatability?
[06:08] <SuperQ> taking packags built against hoary, and stuffing them into warty
[06:09] <SuperQ> that sounds awfuly messy
[06:09] <GoneBoB> this is why you have packages
[06:09] <GoneBoB> that track dependancies :)
[06:09] <SuperQ> heh
[06:09] <GoneBoB> but if you want the latest stuff
[06:09] <SuperQ> well
[06:09] <jdub> GoneBoB: hoary will be synced from *sid*
[06:10] <SuperQ> ugh
[06:10] <GoneBoB> oh, I suck
[06:10] <Pete-Gas> what plugin do I need for ryhtmbox to play mp3's?
[06:10] <SuperQ> well.. that's a major problem
[06:10] <jdub> we have a period of syncing from sid
[06:10] <jdub> then we freeze
[06:10] <jdub> then we sync only when required
[06:11] <jdub> for bugfixes and so on
[06:11] <blahrus> anyone know if there is a port dvd::rip for ubuntu anywhere?
[06:11] <jdub> when hoary opens up, it'll be a world of pain to start ;)
[06:11] <GoneBoB> should probably write a wiki for the sync
[06:11] <dieman> "I hope they've given some of these things more thought than I have as a relative outsider, and I'll just wait and see how it goes, while mercilessly exploiting them as much as I can. ;-)
[06:11] <dieman> "
[06:11] <dieman> heh
[06:11] <dieman> joeyh doesn't exploit all of you as much as I do ;)
[06:11] <dieman> cute though, reading http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/ubuntu_braindump-2004-10-21-00-43.html
[06:12] <Pete-Gas> rythmbox says that it doesnt have an mp3 plugin, so what do I need to install to get it working?
[06:12] <SuperQ> man
[06:12] <SuperQ> if the debian-amd64 guys weren't so messed up
[06:12] <SuperQ> I wouldn't even bother with ubuntu-amd64
[06:13] <SuperQ> atleast, for my server stuff
[06:15] <WW> Pete-Gas: I think it's gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:15] <jdub> Pete-Gas: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:16] <Pete-Gas> yea
[06:16] <Pete-Gas> thanks
[06:16] <Pete-Gas> how come that isnt already installed by default?
[06:16] <GotD0t> good question
[06:16] <WW> OK, k3b worked, and nautilus-cd-burner didn't.  How can I find out what speed nautilus tries to use?
[06:16] <Dekkard> my hotplug is a lil borked...
[06:17] <Pete-Gas> yea I dont know if this is a know bug or not but hald dies when I plug in my ipod with usb2
[06:17] <jonoxer> Pete-Gas: because it's not part of the main ubuntu distribution, it's in the unsupported section
[06:22] <GotD0t> hmm... why wont an audio CD mount?
[06:23] <GoneBoB> think about that for a minute
[06:23] <GoneBoB> and answer your own question :)
[06:23] <jdub> you can't mount audio cds :)
[06:23] <GotD0t> hmm?
[06:23] <izaac> yeah! dudes! i was able to play ogm and matroska with gxine ;D
[06:23] <GotD0t> haha
[06:24] <jonoxer> As usual there's an exception: some audio CDs have data partitions too
[06:24] <izaac> thanks for the help
[06:24] <GotD0t> then how do i play the music?
[06:25] <jdub> GotD0t: you use the cd player
[06:25] <GotD0t> can't xmms do it?
[06:25] <izaac> GotD0t: configure the cdplayer software to aim /dev/cdrom
[06:25] <izaac> or whearever the dev is
[06:25] <spikeb> is gxine in universe?
[06:25] <izaac> spikeb: yes it is
[06:26] <spikeb> okie dokie
[06:26] <spikeb> :)
[06:26] <izaac> ;)
[06:26] <BarnabasCollins> anyone know if there is any cd art for Warty ??
[06:27] <WW> I have a LITE-ON COMBO LTC-48161H  CD/DVD drive.  According to HAL, storage.cdrom.write_speed=0. Is that normal?
[06:28] <izaac> 0 is for maximum no?
[06:28] <WW> I think k3b complained about this when it started.
[06:28] <bern> i need some help with memory usage and swap space
[06:28] <GotD0t> can't xmms play audo cd's?
[06:28] <WW> izaac: Could be...
[06:29] <bohrbug> Weird problem: Knoppix boots ok, screen looks good, Ubuntu Live CD boots but X-windows screen is shifted 2 inches to the right, with a 2 inch black border on the left side
[06:29] <wm_eddie> GotD0t: yes
[06:29] <GotD0t> wm_eddie: how?
[06:29] <wm_eddie> You know there's a GNOME cd player.
[06:29] <GotD0t> wm_eddie: i like xmms
[06:29] <wm_eddie> xmms suchs.
[06:29] <wm_eddie> and sucks too.
[06:30] <smo> WW: fwiw, mine's set to 5540 (0x15a4) .. I've no idea what that means, but atleast shows they're not all zero
[06:30] <wm_eddie> I think you point it to /mnt/cdrom/ or maybe /dev/cdrom...
[06:30] <WW> smo: Hmmm...
[06:30] <izaac> =/
[06:31] <WW> smo: (Thanks for checking!)
[06:31] <psyklops> bohrbug.... uh... adjust your monitor?
[06:31] <WW> Well, I've been telling people to just right-click to burn ISO.  Now I'm not so sure about that.
[06:32] <spikeb> mine burns dandy
[06:33] <spikeb> no idea what any of this set stuff is
[06:33] <bern> i need some help with memory usage and swap space
[06:33] <bohrbug> psyklops: Can't do it, integrated LCD
[06:33] <izaac> WW: it isn't 100% sure to work in all cases
[06:33] <GotD0t> why do so many people hate xmms?
[06:33] <wm_eddie> GotD0t: Because it sucks...?
[06:34] <WW> izaac: You mean using the maximum speed isn't sure to work?
[06:34] <psyklops> bohrbug: since its a live CD you can't really do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86... hmm
[06:34] <GotD0t> wm_eddie what sucks about it?
[06:34] <wm_eddie> The interface, it's way of organizing music.
[06:34] <bob2> bohrbug: file a bug
[06:34] <izaac> WW: no i mean the process of burning a cd simple going and right click on a image
[06:35] <GotD0t> i like the minimalist interface...
[06:35] <wm_eddie> GotD0t: it's far from minimalistic.
[06:35] <bohrbug> psyklops: WHat I did was also to install the ubuntu system, screen didn't work, so I booted knoppix and copied the XFConfig-4 to ubuntu, but with no success
[06:35] <GotD0t> its simple...
[06:35] <WW> izaac: But doesn't that just run nautilus-cd-burner?  So nautilus-cd-burner isn't gauranteed to work???
[06:35] <wm_eddie> Muine is minimalistic and it's better than xmms.
[06:35] <wm_eddie> it's not simple either.
[06:35] <izaac> GotD0t: i lijke xmms too
[06:35] <bob2> GotD0t: if you relly want xmms-cdread can let xmms play cds
[06:35] <WW> izaac: ... say it ain't so!
[06:35] <GotD0t> i figured it out
[06:36] <GotD0t> it works without that
[06:36] <psyklops> bohrbug: maybe knoppix loads different video drivers
[06:36] <izaac> WW: i think so, cause nautilus cdburner not guarantee you to burn properly a DVD image for example
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> dude
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> not fair
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> come on.
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> how the hell do I install the Nuvola theme in gnome
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> and chunks of crap are missing
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> I don't know how much of Gnome I have
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> it installed without gnome-panel or nautilus
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> or metacity
[06:36] <bohrbug> psyklops: Nope, but maybe they use different versions of Xfree
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> so it installed basically nothing
[06:36] <WW> izaac: If that is true, the option should be disable! Or simply removed!
[06:37] <joem> bluefoxicy, try to install the ubuntu-desktop package
[06:37] <wm_eddie> And Quod Libet is going to be an awesome music player once it's finished.
[06:37] <joem> should depend on everything in a stock desktop
[06:37] <bluefoxicy> /dev/hda3             1.4G  881M  514M  64% /
[06:37] <bluefoxicy> joem:  is that wise?
[06:37] <izaac> WW: i though the name says so.. cause is nautilus-_CD_-burner
[06:37] <izaac> hehehe
[06:37] <WW> izaac: ?
[06:37] <joem> it is installed by default, but since your default install seems to be borked, should try it
[06:38] <bluefoxicy> joem:  how much space will it require
[06:38] <bluefoxicy> I have 514M free you know.
[06:38] <psyklops> bohrbug: no idea...
[06:38] <joem> well, iirc the required about of space for the normal install is 1.8 gig
[06:38] <wm_eddie> time for bed.
[06:39] <psyklops> wow...
[06:39] <GotD0t> hav efun
[06:39] <izaac> WW: sorry if i dont explain myself clearly cause i dont speak english so good
[06:39] <psyklops> how much does something like fluxbox take...
[06:39] <bohrbug> psyklops: Me neither, cause it's such a weird problem. I'll stick to debian, cause that works. Thanks :)
[06:39] <bluefoxicy> thunderbird doesn't seem to like ~/.thunderbird
[06:39] <WW> izaac: I think I see what you meant... but I was burning CDs, so it should work.
[06:39] <bluefoxicy> it thinks I have nothing.
[06:40] <psyklops> well, I see little difference between ubuntu and debian anyway
[06:40] <GotD0t> trust me izaac: your english is much better than most peoples at my old high school
[06:40] <psyklops> except that ubuntu comes with all the p-to-date stuff installed already
[06:40] <wm_eddie> psyklops: That's a good thing :)
[06:40] <izaac> GotD0t: thanks dude ;D
[06:40] <joem> also has a 6 month release cycle
[06:41] <wm_eddie> The 6 month release cycle is what is most important for me I think.
[06:41] <bluefoxicy> ok this is broken so back to gentoo.
[06:41] <izaac> WW: well but it isn't good enough as k3b for example with a lot of options and features
[06:41] <bob2> wow, bleufoxicy is still an idiot no matter what distro he uses
[06:41] <psyklops> hm, I don't feel like reinstalling my whole system when another release comes
[06:42] <DJ_Stefan0> I have installed Ubuntu but i cant load up X, ive tried both "vesa" and "ati" settings. I have an Athlon 64 3400+ and ATI X800 pro and ive tried the latest 64bit Ubuntu.. it worked a bit with X but then it crashed, can u tell me what version of Xfree86 it uses so i can report a bug?
[06:42] <joem> bob2, heh
[06:42] <wm_eddie> psyklops: dist-upgrade :)
[06:42] <psyklops> yeah, thought so
[06:42] <wm_eddie> and you don't have to upgrade, there's support for one year.
[06:42] <psyklops> I tried that once though, and lost EVERYTHING
[06:42] <izaac> GNOME still lacks in a Burning app, like k3b
[06:42] <psyklops> it was in knoppix...
[06:42] <bob2> psyklops: um, file bugs then
[06:42] <izaac> a good one i mean
[06:42] <bob2> psyklops: dist-upgrade works for nearly everyone else
[06:43] <bob2> psyklops: oh, knoppix? that's not supposed to work.
[06:43] <bob2> izaac: nautilus
[06:43] <psyklops> heh
[06:43] <psyklops> yeah
[06:43] <psyklops> it was a harddrive install
[06:43] <GotD0t> wow... this cd is pretty good
[06:43] <psyklops> and I thought I would be upgrading everything
[06:43] <joem> izaac, there is one in the works
[06:43] <wm_eddie> Someone should port k3b.
[06:43] <GotD0t> seriously
[06:43] <wm_eddie> If there's one qt app I'd use, it'd be K3b.  It's pretty good.
[06:43] <bob2> psyklops: yes, knoppix hard drive installs are useless
[06:43] <joem> no, k3b is ugly and uses cdrecord
[06:43] <wm_eddie> but nautilus handles pretty much all I need.
[06:43] <izaac> joem: what's its name?
[06:44] <joem> izaac, coaster-burn.org
[06:44] <wm_eddie> joem: well it can't help but be ugly, it uses qt after all :P
[06:44] <Hikaru79> wm_eddie: port it to what?
[06:44] <izaac> joem: :O thanks for the tip
[06:44] <wm_eddie> gtk
[06:44] <schweeb> they're kinda slacking on coaster lately
[06:44] <wm_eddie> coaster is probably better though.
[06:44] <WW> wm_eddie: Nautilus just created four coasters, but k3b worked.
[06:44] <psyklops> bob2: well, it worked well enough for what I needed
[06:45] <bob2> psyklops: except it broke when you updated
[06:45] <DJ_Stefan0> what version of Xfree86 does the latest amd64 Ubuntu use
[06:45] <DJ_Stefan0> ?
[06:45] <bob2> DJ_Stefan0: 4.3
[06:45] <DJ_Stefan0> thanx
[06:45] <bob2> DJ_Stefan0: it's only ever used one version, you don't need to "know"what version you have
[06:45] <spikeb> eh
[06:45] <spikeb> bah
[06:45] <psyklops> bob2: oh well
[06:45] <wm_eddie> ok, now real sleep
[06:45] <DJ_Stefan0> im reporting a bug
[06:47] <GotD0t> what is tla?
[06:47] <jonoxer> Three Letter Acronym?
[06:47] <Treenaks> GNU TLA
[06:47] <lifeless> GNU Arch
[06:47] <RuffianSoldier> DAMN! UBUNTU DROPPED FROM 3 ON DISTRO WATCH TO 17!
[06:47] <RuffianSoldier> GRR
[06:47] <joem> GotD0t, http://www.gnu.org/software/gnu-arch/
[06:47] <Treenaks> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnu-arch/
[06:48] <joem> nice try loser
[06:48] <Treenaks> RuffianSoldier: download more!
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> ok
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> suggestion here
[06:48] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> Gnome is pretty useless without X
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> and it doesn't seem to depend on anything that depends on anything that installs an X server.
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> this was the same problem I had with sarge
[06:48] <jonoxer> Hehe, yeah it's related to Arch
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> it took me like 2 hours to get it to start
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> sooooo . . . why not rectify that some time?
[06:49] <GotD0t> what you talkin bout... its #4
[06:49] <joem> bluefoxicy, no, it does
[06:49] <bluefoxicy> "Ah, the tetsaiga has become a lot heavier I see"  "It's a lot heavier ya stupid jackass >:("
[06:49] <bluefoxicy> joem:  not for me.
[06:49] <WW> Hmmm... just checked an older CD that I burned with nautilus (but didn't verify the burn), and it's bad, too.
[06:49] <bluefoxicy> it didn't complain in the least.
[06:49] <psyklops> maybe he's looking at the "daily" list...
[06:49] <bluefoxicy> it recommended it
[06:49] <bluefoxicy> but it didn't depend on it.
[06:49] <joem> bluefoxicy, at a quick glance, I can see libgtk depending on xlibs
[06:50] <WW> That was the warty LiveCD that I haven't tried yet!
[06:50] <bluefoxicy> and it didn't automatically depned on it.
[06:50] <bluefoxicy> joem:  yes, it does want xlibs
[06:50] <bluefoxicy> joem:  xlibs is not an x server.
[06:50] <psyklops> actually, it is 17th to me too...
[06:50] <joem> but you can follow the trail of depends
[06:50] <bluefoxicy> joem:  It needs an X server.  xlibs let you talk to an xserver, like kdrive or xorg-x11 or xfree86
[06:50] <bluefoxicy> I had xlibs
[06:50] <bluefoxicy> but it didn't complain about not having x-window-server or whatever it was.
[06:51] <WW> Before I file a bug about nautilus-cd-burner, does anyone have any suggestions of further tests I could try?
[06:51] <bluefoxicy> and when i ran /etc/init.d/gdm start, it said it could'nt find /usr/X11R6/bin/X
[06:51] <bluefoxicy> so I installed x-windows-server or something like that and it suddenly worked; though it took me about an hour poking around.
[06:52] <psyklops> WW: hmm... I don't know what you're trying to do... *reads back*
[06:52] <joem> bluefoxicy, something was obviously wrong with your install, since you were missing lots of gnome components as well
[06:52] <bluefoxicy> joem:  custom install.  I didn't have the 1.8G so I started from scratch
[06:52] <lifeless> arh
[06:52] <WW> psyklops: Just buring ISOs with nautilus.
[06:52] <bluefoxicy> joem:  But I expect it to actually install an X server when i tell it I want gnome
[06:52] <bluefoxicy> because gnome is an X program that needs to run under an X server
[06:52] <gobeavs> is there a bug with the partitioning? I tried to partition and format in the 64bit edition, and it kept coming up with errors..I tried with the reiser, ext3, and the auto-config...any sugestions?
[06:53] <lifeless> bluefoxicy: actually, gnome is a xclient program, not an xserver program. (I've used it happily like that, gnome on my server,windows on my desktop with a local XServer.)
[06:53] <Lathiat> helps to know what the error said and what specific information you wereputtingit
[06:54] <RuffianSoldier> OH GOD! I LOVE DEBIAN! SOOOO MUCH!
[06:54] <bluefoxicy> lifeless:  ah, so an xserver is not required?
[06:54] <WW> RuffianSoldier: ...and Debian wuvs you too.
[06:54] <lifeless> not on the same machine, no.
[06:54] <RuffianSoldier> YAY! WW!
[06:54] <bluefoxicy> lifeless:  it also seems to not depend on metacity (window manager), nautilus (to draw the icons/desktop), and gnome-panel (for menus and task bar)
[06:55] <lifeless> those, I can't comment on. there is a gnome-desktop though, that IIRC brings in everything.
[06:55] <bluefoxicy> which pretty much means it dumps you to a blue screen where mouseclicksa nd keycombos do nothing.
[06:55] <bluefoxicy> ah!
[06:55] <bluefoxicy> gnome-desktop
[06:55] <bluefoxicy> what of thunderbird?
[06:55] <psyklops> WW: no idea... go for it
[06:55] <bluefoxicy> I have ~/.thunderbird/ on gentoo, share my home directory, but thunderbird on ubuntu thinks there's nothing
[06:55] <lifeless> bluefoxicy: no idea sorry.
[06:56] <RuffianSoldier> i use Xemian evolution
[06:57] <RuffianSoldier> MUST GET POTATO WEDGES!
[06:57] <skvidal> I was reading on one of the debian or ubuntu blogs about potential python-dpkg bindings
[06:58] <skvidal> any headway on that?
[06:58] <WW> mmmmm.... potato wedges....
[07:06] <RuffianSoldier> who here supports Bush, and who supports Kerry?
[07:06] <Lathiat> I support your mum
[07:07] <psyklops> I don't _support_ either of them...
[07:07] <psyklops> I wish there was an alternative...
[07:07] <RuffianSoldier> nader :-p
[07:07] <RuffianSoldier> i hate him, he will just let bush win
[07:07] <RuffianSoldier> ive had enough of that coke sniffer lune
[07:07] <psyklops> so, how goes his chances?
[07:08] <RuffianSoldier> slim
[07:08] <RuffianSoldier> everyone knows he wont win
[07:08] <RuffianSoldier> so why vote for him
[07:08] <psyklops> yeah... may as well vote for kerry...
[07:08] <RuffianSoldier> hes not bush. thats why i like kerry
[07:08] <RuffianSoldier> :-p
[07:08] <WW> RuffianSoldier: Take is somewhere else.
[07:09] <WW> s/is/it/
[07:09] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[07:09] <RuffianSoldier> ok
[07:09] <psyklops> I don't care so much that he may continue to make mistakes... just as long as its not done in the same way as we always have been with Bush ("stay the course" ugh...)
[07:09] <WW> psyklops: Now don't you start...
[07:09] <WW> :)
[07:09] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[07:09] <RuffianSoldier> i agree psyklops
[07:09] <RuffianSoldier> Vote Linus!
[07:09] <psyklops> and that will be the end of it
[07:10] <psyklops> for the sake of the topic
[07:10] <RuffianSoldier> how about this, VOTE LINUS!
[07:10] <psyklops>  not so sure about that...
[07:10] <WW> You BUSH guys IS are A going BLITHERING off MORON topic.
[07:10] <RuffianSoldier> fine
[07:10] <RuffianSoldier> Bill Gates!
[07:10] <Lathiat> im sure linus mentioned something abotu worled domination last time i saw him... :P
[07:10] <thoreauputic> hehe - I second the VOTE LINUS!
[07:10] <RuffianSoldier> how about, VOTE GATES!
[07:10] <bluefoxicy> WW:  stfu, bush is winning
[07:10] <psyklops> sure he can code a hulluva kernel, but can he bring FREEDOM to the world?! (sarcasm...)
[07:10] <DJ_Stefan0> i third the Vote Linus
[07:10] <thoreauputic> only problem - he's a Finn
[07:11] <cfactor> is it hotplug that loads up the network drivers?  What would be the ubuntu way to choose a different network driver?
[07:11] <RuffianSoldier> VOTE JONATHAN SCHWARTZ!
[07:11] <bluefoxicy> linus can't be president, he's not within bounds as defidned by the constitution, IIRC article 2 section 3
[07:11] <Lathiat> cfactor: hotplug yes
[07:11] <Lathiat> cfactor: whats the problem, e100 vs eepro100 or something?
[07:11] <pupilzeng> How to disable IPv6?
[07:11] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: Why do you want to?
[07:11] <cfactor> No, I just want to use hostap instead of orinoco_pci.
[07:11] <Lathiat> It shouldn't cause any problems
[07:11] <RuffianSoldier> VOTE JONATHAN SCHWARTZ!  (Sun Microsystem CEO)
[07:11] <bluefoxicy> members of senate must be US citizens for 14 years, president must be natural
[07:12] <bluefoxicy> or something.
[07:12] <Lathiat> cfactor: well you could put it in the blacklist list in /etc/hotplug
[07:12] <Lathiat> cfactor: and load it yourself
[07:12] <Lathiat> im sure theres an override or something
[07:12] <pupilzeng> resolving domain name is so slow
[07:12] <thoreauputic> RuffianSoldier: I'd rather vote for Hitler
[07:12] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[07:12] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: One particular domain or all of them?
[07:12] <pupilzeng> All
[07:12] <Lathiat> That shouldnt be the fault of ivp6
[07:12] <Lathiat> whats in /etc/resolv.conf?
[07:13] <psyklops> Hey, hitler without the genocidal dreams might not be so bad :P
[07:13] <DJ_Stefan0> can sum1 tell me what setting should i try for Xserver on the amd64 version of Ubuntu for my graphics card: ATI Radeon X800 Pro
[07:13] <DJ_Stefan0> ?
[07:13] <cfactor> so modules.conf would be the correct way?
[07:13] <pupilzeng> Lathiat: it's all right, just as Windows
[07:13] <bluefoxicy> the newest xorgs can do 3d on 9200 radeons
[07:13] <bluefoxicy> with IGP320
[07:13] <Lathiat> cfactor: i have no idea how hotplug figures out what to load
[07:13] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: oh you want to disable ipv6 in windows?
[07:14] <RuffianSoldier> which is better?  Xfree86 or X.org?
[07:14] <pupilzeng> no, I want to disable it in ubuntu
[07:14] <DJ_Stefan0> I have so far tried vesa (didnt work at all), ati (flickered for a while but crashed)
[07:14] <thoreauputic> psyklops: err... and without the serious mental illness and anti-semitism, and.....<insert psychotic idea here.
[07:14] <DJ_Stefan0> is there any other generic setting i could try for my card?
[07:14] <WW> If you were an Ubuntu developer, and someone filed a bug that said "nautilus-cd-burner didn't burn an ISO correctly", what information would you want?
[07:14] <pupilzeng> I mean the name servers setting is the same as WIndows
[07:14] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: like i said, whats in /etc/resolv.conf
[07:14] <cfactor> I'm wondering if hotplug is smart enough to read modules.conf and work accordingly.  I guess I'll have to RTFM.
[07:15] <RuffianSoldier>
[07:15] <pupilzeng> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:15] <pupilzeng> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:15] <pupilzeng> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:15] <Lathiat> heh /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[07:15] <Lathiat> # causes no end of confusion by creating unexpected network interfaces
[07:15] <Lathiat> eth1394
[07:15] <RuffianSoldier> mmmmmmmm win32
[07:16] <thoreauputic> RuffianSoldier: what are you smoking? Can I have some?
[07:16] <RuffianSoldier> ya!
[07:16] <RuffianSoldier> $20
[07:16] <thoreauputic> cheap
[07:16] <WW> It's the potato wedges...
[07:16] <psyklops> pirated ;)
[07:17] <pupilzeng> I want to know which program load the module ipv6
[07:17] <RuffianSoldier> Gates/Jobs 04'!
[07:17] <RuffianSoldier> :-p
[07:18] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: id get there if you just told me what i wanted to know first...
[07:19] <RuffianSoldier> Well, i hope Ubuntu had a fun time as #3 on distrowatch, its now #17 :-(
[07:19] <Lathiat> haha howd it get to #3
[07:19] <psyklops> hits per DAY
[07:19] <RuffianSoldier> i dont knjow
[07:19] <RuffianSoldier> ya
[07:19] <thoreauputic> WW: re nautilus - it would probably help if you could run it with a debugger mode e.g. with gdb
[07:19] <psyklops> more days...
[07:20] <RuffianSoldier> http://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=4 there its n#4
[07:20] <thoreauputic> RuffianSoldier: this is now known as the yoper effect, I believe
[07:21] <RuffianSoldier> JEEZ! HOW LONG HAS MANDRAKE BEEN #1?
[07:21] <RuffianSoldier> wtf is yoper effect
[07:21] <Hikaru79> Mandrake is #1? o_O;
[07:21] <RuffianSoldier> isnt Yoper a distro
[07:21] <pupilzeng> Lathiat: Sorry for my broken English. Which program loads the module ipv6?
[07:21] <thoreauputic> yoper was very popular when it was new
[07:21] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: Your english hasn't been broken, I just wanted to know what was in /etc/resolv.conf (I'm an ipv6 developer see, and i was interested to see if there was a problem I can look at)
[07:21] <RuffianSoldier> IC
[07:21] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: add ipv6 to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[07:21] <Hikaru79> Haha, Ubuntu's beating Debian :D
[07:21] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: and it shouldnt load anymore
[07:21] <thoreauputic> thus, "yoper effect" == "new distro effect"
[07:22] <WW> thoreauputic: I'm not familiar with using debuggers.  Also, it doesn't crash.
[07:22] <RuffianSoldier> Hikaru79, ya, I never liked strait Debian, but i only use Debian based distros
[07:22] <Pizbit> Argh, someone feeling like checking my maths? If I transfer 244MiB and it takes 86 minutes, what is the average transfer rate in KiB/s?
[07:22] <WW> thoreauputic: If I hadn't checked the md5sum, I might not have known something was wrong with the CD.
[07:23] <thoreauputic> WW: well, there's strace as well - problem is finding what the cli command for the nautilus cd burner actually is
[07:23] <pupilzeng> the resolv.conf is like this:nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:23] <pupilzeng> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:23] <pupilzeng> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:23] <WW> thoreauputic: Remarkably, it is nautilus-cd-burner :)
[07:23] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: ok well then yeh, IPv6 should have no effect on your domain resolution
[07:23] <pupilzeng> Lathiat: You mean ipv6 is loaded by hotplug?
[07:23] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: but none the less, if you add ipv6 to a line in /etc/hotplug/blacklist then it shouldnt load
[07:23] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: i think so
[07:23] <thoreauputic> WW: hehe... wow a logical gnome command :)
[07:23] <Lathiat> one way to fine out...
[07:24] <pupilzeng> but why the domain resolution is so slow?
[07:24] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: Not sure, your name servers might be broken
[07:24] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: could have network issues
[07:25] <WW> thoreauputic:  :)
[07:25] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: I have to head off, if you want drop me a line on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you find that ipv6 fixes it
[07:25] <pupilzeng> Lathiat: Ok, thanks
[07:25] <thoreauputic> WW: well if you run nautilus-cd-burner from a terminal, does it spit out error messages as you attempt to use it? The devs would be interested in those
[07:25] <Zubthemaster9> can anyone help me out with a problem?
[07:26] <Zubthemaster9> Just installed Ubuntu
[07:26] <thoreauputic> Zubthemaster9: I can give you the address of a good shrink...
[07:26] <Zubthemaster9> hmm, query me later :D
[07:26] <WW> thoreauputic: I'll try it again and see what happens.  I was just looking for a "verbose" option among nautilus-cd-burner's command line options.
[07:26] <thoreauputic> Zubthemaster9: ;)
[07:27] <Zubthemaster9> thereauputic: ^^
[07:27] <Zubthemaster9> *thoreauputic
[07:27] <Zubthemaster9> whoops
[07:27] <Zubthemaster9> eheh
[07:27] <Zubthemaster9> and for some reason, I can't access the internet.. Do i need to get compatible drivers for my ethernet card od is that not necessary?
[07:28] <thoreauputic> WW: ~$ man nautilus-cd-burner
[07:28] <thoreauputic> No manual entry for nautilus-cd-burner
[07:28] <thoreauputic> See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available.
[07:28] <RuffianSoldier> "Have you mood today?"
[07:28] <thoreauputic> WW: I hate that...
[07:28] <pupilzeng> exit
[07:28] <thoreauputic> RuffianSoldier: apt-get moo
[07:29] <Ruffian_JANE> hey all, im on my computer "JANE"
[07:30] <RuffianSoldier> HI!
[07:30] <RuffianSoldier> RuffianJANE!
[07:30] <Ruffian_JANE> i am you! you are me!
[07:30] <RuffianSoldier> so?
[07:31] <thoreauputic> where's RuffianTarzan ?
[07:31] <Zubthemaster9> :D
[07:31] <WW> thoreauputic: I didn't learn much from
[07:31] <RuffianSoldier> brb
[07:31] <RuffianSoldier> wait
[07:31] <RuffianSoldier> nvm
[07:31] <WW> nautilus-cd-burner --help
[07:31] <Ruffian_JANE> nautilus-cd burner?
[07:31] <Zubthemaster9> does anyone have any idea why I wouldn't be able to access the internet when using ubuntu?
[07:32] <RuffianWW> DEBAIN! YAY!
[07:32] <Ruffian_JANE> HEY! F U WW! :-)
[07:32] <thoreauputic> WW: heh - "invalid image" or something. right?
[07:32] <Zubthemaster9> when it works on a win partition on the same comp?
[07:32] <Ruffian_JANE> do you have your nick registerd WW?
[07:33] <thoreauputic> Zubthemaster9: umm... incorrect configuration... What are you using? cable? DSL? I guess cable, right?
[07:34] <Zubthemaster9> cable, yeah
[07:34] <WW> thoreauputic: I haven't seen "invalid image".  But when I try "md5sum /dev/cdrom" on a CD burned with nautilus, I get an error.
[07:34] <thoreauputic> Zubthemaster9: what does ifconfig eth0 say?
[07:35] <Zubthemaster9> you mean, when booting up?
[07:35] <WW> Ruffian_JANE: Probably not.
[07:35] <Ruffian_JANE> MUST............ WALK............ DOG................
[07:35] <Ruffian_JANE> bbl
[07:35] <Zubthemaster9> dunno, goes by too fast to read lol
[07:35] <Zubthemaster9> ^^;
[07:35] <thoreauputic> Zubthemaster9: run ifconfig eth0 in a terminal (don't paste it though)
[07:36] <Zubthemaster9> if or ip?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> ifconfig eth0  (that's a zero)
[07:36] <Burgundavia> if
[07:36] <Zubthemaster9> ah, k
[07:36] <Burgundavia> interface config
[07:36] <Burgundavia> not like ipconfig in windows
[07:36] <Zubthemaster9> be back in one second then ^_^
[07:36] <Zubthemaster9> right, that's what I;m used to
[07:36] <Zubthemaster9> ok, one second ^^
[07:37] <Hikaru79> What's the ubuntu equivalent of Knoppix's "netcardconfig" ?
[07:37] <Burgundavia> gui or cli?
[07:38] <blacknyx> Could someone maybe help me mount my 2nd hard drive which is in ext3 format?
[07:38] <Burgundavia> sure
[07:38] <GoneBoB> network-admin
[07:38] <Burgundavia> blacknyx: do you want to mount it just once or at every boot?
[07:38] <blacknyx> every boot
[07:39] <Burgundavia> then you need to edit /etc/fstab
[07:39] <blacknyx> Thats where I'm at right now
[07:39] <blacknyx> I want to mount /dev/hda1 to /mnt/hda
[07:39] <blacknyx> I currently have 1 user
[07:39] <blacknyx> /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda ext3 ro,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=0000 0 0
[07:40] <blacknyx> and I get the error, wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock, or too many mounted filesystems
[07:40] <Burgundavia> are you sure it is at hda1?
[07:40] <mdz> blacknyx: umask is not a valid option for ext3
[07:40] <blacknyx> I believe so.
[07:41] <blacknyx> can I post ever so small commands in here?
[07:41] <mdz> blacknyx: it was not a question, it was a statement of fact
[07:41] <mdz> umask is not a valid option for ext3, and that is the problem
[07:42] <blacknyx> mdz, Im not questioning you at all, I believe you.  I'm just wondering now if I'm trying to mount the right partition also.
[07:42] <blacknyx> Could you tell me how to mount ext3 then?
[07:42] <mdz> delete ",umask=0000" from that line
[07:42] <Burgundavia> try removing the umask and remounting and see if that works
[07:43] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: sudo fdisk -l to see your partitions
[07:43] <blacknyx>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[07:43] <blacknyx> /dev/hda1   *           1       76629    38620984+  83  Linux
[07:43] <blacknyx> /dev/hda2           76630       77622      500472    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[07:43] <blacknyx> /dev/hda5           76630       77622      500440+  82  Linux swap
[07:44] <blacknyx> and its still saying its wrong
[07:45] <blacknyx> Is there a max on how many things I can have mounted?
[07:45] <netdur> hey, do Firefox 0.9.3 have memory problems?
[07:45] <Burgundavia> netdur: firefox sometimes has memory leaks
[07:46] <blacknyx> netdur: thats the word, but I've never had a problem with it.
[07:46] <netdur> I noticed, mozilla browse my "localhost" faster then firefox
[07:46] <Burgundavia> netdur: I left firefox on my Win2k box and it used 100mb of memory
[07:47] <Burgundavia> running that was
[07:47] <thoreauputic> netdur: recent versions do have memory problems, yes
[07:47] <blacknyx> I wish I was good enough with linux to get this working.
[07:48] <netdur> OK, I'm gonna stick with Mozilla 1.7 for a while!!!
[07:48] <Burgundavia> blacknyx: Remove the umask option from your fstab line and try and mount it
[07:48] <Burgundavia> do you know how to mount on the command line?
[07:48] <blacknyx> mount -a  ?
[07:49] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: no that mounts everything ;)
[07:49] <Burgundavia> yes, with /mnt/hda
[07:49] <blacknyx> I did already remove the umask option
[07:49] <Burgundavia> mount -a will reread the fstab file and try and remount all options
[07:50] <blacknyx> /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda ext3 ro,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000, 0 0
[07:50] <blacknyx> perhaps I should try a different mounting point?
[07:50] <Burgundavia> no, well it remount?
[07:50] <Burgundavia> will it remount
[07:50] <blacknyx> nope
[07:51] <Burgundavia> try replacing uid=1000,gid=1000 with user
[07:51] <blacknyx> THAT WORKED!!!
[07:53] <blacknyx> Burgundavia:  Thanks!   I can now listen to my music! =D
[07:53] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: your id and user id (uid) might not be 1000 - type id to see
[07:53] <blacknyx> uid=1000(nyx) gid=1000(nyx)
[07:54] <Burgundavia> no prob
[07:54] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: hmm...oh well, whatever works :)
[07:54] <blacknyx> thats whats confusing to me about linux, where's the consistancy?
[07:54] <Burgundavia> what do you mean
[07:55] <blacknyx> Why does uid=1000,gid-1000 work for most people using a particular distro, but not others even though the 1000 is accurate?
[07:55] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: actually it's very consistent - but not always obvious
[07:55] <blacknyx> thoreauputic: perhaps, I'm just very new to linux, and cant get things to work right when its consistant let alone when its inconsistant.  lol
[07:56] <blacknyx> I also found out that I cant sudo gedit /etc/fstab in root, which is common, I have to be normal user.
[07:56] <blacknyx> but that I figured out on accident.
[07:57] <blacknyx> I'm not complaining though, I'm willing to learn, its just confusing still.
[07:57] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: the default id and guid is not set in stone - for instance slackware uses a different method from debian, as does mandrake - so the inconsistency is distro specific, if you like
[07:58] <thoreauputic> ie each distro is internally consistent
[07:58] <blacknyx> thoreauputic, that I totally understand, but why would it be different for ubuntu users?  Do you know what I mean?  Shouldn't all ubuntu users be able to do "user" or "id and guid"?
[07:59] <blacknyx> on the forums, most people got it to work by leaving in the 1000's, but not me.  Thats what I mean.
[07:59] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: hmmm... to be honest, i am using debian (similar to ubuntu but not the same)
[07:59] <thoreauputic> my /etc/fstab looks diffeent, but then I edited it myself
[07:59] <blacknyx> thoreauputic: ah perhaps the person on the forums was the same as you then.
[08:00] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: no
[08:01] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: I haven't used any forums or contributed to such for months - I'm mostly on IRC these days
[08:02] <blacknyx> I meant that maybe that particular person who was helping us was using debian like you are, not that you're the same person.
[08:02] <jasund> On release candidate version of Ubuntu, is there a GUI way of creating a CD from an iso?
[08:03] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: debian users , as far as I know, would not have uid and gid like those in their fstab
[08:03] <Burgundavia> jasund: right-click on the iso i believe
[08:04] <blacknyx> odd.  oh well
[08:05] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: not really odd - one thing about linux is that there are usually several ways of achieving the same thing
[08:05] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: the syntax has to be right in each case, that's all
[08:05] <blacknyx> makes sense
[08:06] <jasund> Burgundavia:  OK, I'll give that a crack.  But as I recall, I think I tried that.  Maybe I have to move the iso into nautilus first.
[08:06] <Burgundavia> jasund: that is right
[08:06] <blacknyx> I just need a list of all possible choices.  lol
[08:06] <blacknyx> Now if I could just figure out why my sources.conf file is blank.
[08:06] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: sources.conf or /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:07] <jasund> Burgundavia:  OK, thanks!!
[08:07] <blacknyx> ah list is what I needed.
[08:08] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: If you're feeling masochistic, take a look at " man fstab" ;)
[08:08] <ATJ> Morning.. Um, when I installed system, I choosed finnish as default language, but there are so many problems with this (for example many programs are in swedish) so how could I change language to english?
[08:09] <thoreauputic> ATJ: are you comfortable on the command line?
[08:10] <blacknyx> thoreauputic: thanks, I'll try reading that to learn more.
[08:10] <ATJ> thoreauputic: Well, I know basics ;) I'm not any guru, but I am able to install gentoo.. ;)
[08:10] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: as a rule of thumb, you have to read documentation at least 3 times to understand it :)
[08:11] <thoreauputic> ATJ: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales