[00:57] <smoser> harlowja, an example wouldbe good.
[00:57] <smoser> hm..
[00:57] <smoser>  /sys is wierd. sometimes reading stuff (any stuff) can give invalid argument
[00:57]  * smoser out
[03:16] <harlowja> smoser https://gist.github.com/harlowja/189cec2d4a2587edb9664733cff339aa that was from nrezinorn
[03:17] <harlowja> which is odd, cause chunksize never changes :-P
[20:35] <jgrimm> smoser, wrt 161968 latest comments.. wouldn't they need an updated xenial image to test?
[20:36] <jgrimm> the stack trace posted matches cloud-init-0.7.7~bzr1256 (error raised on line 599), so something is suspect


[04:21] <thumper> mwhudson: testfix review ? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/424977/
[04:21] <thumper> although I'd just rs it
[04:21] <mwhudson> thumper: r=me
[04:21] <thumper> ta
[04:21] <mwhudson> with added stabbing
[04:23] <mwhudson> thumper: lib/lp/code/doc/branch-karma.txt seems to have a similar issue btw
[04:23] <thumper> is it failing?
[04:24] <mwhudson> no
[04:24] <mwhudson> but it has a factory name in expected output
[04:24] <mwhudson> lib/lp/bugs/doc/bugnotification-sending.txt too
[04:24] <mwhudson> i guess i can make a quick branch for this
[04:24] <thumper> bzr pqm-submit -m "[testfix][r=mwhudson] Fix archive-deletion test - NEVER PRINT OUT THE NAME OF A FACTORY GENERATED ANONYMOUS PERSON (stabby-stabby)."
[04:25] <mwhudson> hah
[04:25] <thumper> you grepped for person-name ?
[04:26] <mwhudson> "PPA named nightly for Person-name2 owned by Person-name2" :(
[04:26] <mwhudson> thumper: grepping for '-name[0-9]
[04:26] <mwhudson> thumper: grepping for '-name[0-9]' finds some stuff
[04:28] <thumper> oh dear god!
[04:30]  * mwhudson changes the starting value for getUniqueInteger, and shoves that into ec2
[04:31] <thumper> :)
[06:08] <thumper> mwhudson: up for a review?
[06:08] <mwhudson> thumper: sure
[06:08] <mwhudson> four tests have failed in that ec2 test run so far btw
[06:11] <thumper> only four?
[06:11] <thumper> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/more-careful-network-service-usage/+merge/24469
[06:11] <mwhudson> they've only been going for about 20 minutes :)
[06:12] <thumper> :)
[06:12] <thumper> oh
[06:12] <thumper> has it taken that long to set up the instance?
[06:12] <thumper> didn't you start it at 3:30?
[06:13] <mwhudson> um
[06:13] <mwhudson> i can't tell the progress of time any more clearly :-)
[06:13] <mwhudson> the first instance didn't start though
[06:14] <thumper> diff is up
[06:14] <mwhudson> thumper: do you think repr(self) would be a better default getOperationDescription ?
[06:14] <mwhudson> it's unfriendly, but maybe less useless
[06:14] <thumper> mwhudson: it is supposed to be in a nice email to a user
[06:15] <thumper> so a repr wouldn't be so good
[06:15] <thumper> saying: something went wrong doing xxx
[06:15] <thumper> roughly
[06:15] <mwhudson> thumper: 'unspecified operation' is not friendly!
[06:15] <thumper> better than oops
[06:15] <thumper> that line isn't necessary
[06:15] <thumper> but really a fall back
[06:16] <mwhudson> ok
[06:16] <mwhudson> self.logger.error(e) <- i think you want self.logger.exception there
[06:16] <thumper> oh
[06:16] <thumper> ok
[06:17] <thumper> line 162 of runner.py is where I copied it from
[06:17] <thumper> I should fix that too I guess
[06:17] <mwhudson> yeah, i reckon
[06:17] <thumper> done
[06:18] <mwhudson> tracebacks are good when things go ker-blooey
[06:18]  * thumper nods
[06:20] <mwhudson> thumper: you don't ned to pass the exception to exception(), did you know that?
[06:20] <mwhudson> i didn't
[06:20] <thumper> no
[06:20] <mwhudson> so it should be self.logger.exception("something went wrong")
[06:20] <thumper> I didn't know that
[06:20] <thumper> mwhudson: it checks the exec stack?
[06:21] <mwhudson> it calls sys.exc_info() i guess
[06:21] <mwhudson> seems a bit lame
[06:21]  * thumper shrugs
[06:21] <thumper> I guess I should add a message of some form then
[06:22] <thumper>                 self.logger.exception(
[06:22] <thumper>                     "Failed to notify users about a failure.")
[06:22] <thumper> ?
[06:22] <mwhudson> thumper: reviewed
[06:22] <mwhudson> +1
[06:23] <thumper> thanks
[06:24] <thumper> is BjornT our release manager?
[06:24] <mwhudson> i think so
[06:26]  * thumper whacks it into ec2 test while I await the RC
[06:32] <BjornT> thumper: yes, i am
[06:32] <thumper> BjornT: hi
[06:32] <thumper> BjornT: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/more-careful-network-service-usage/+merge/24469
[06:32] <thumper> BjornT: fallout from a screwed staging environment
[06:33] <thumper> we weren't handling some errors in a nice enough manner
[06:33] <thumper> especially since we can't send email right now
[06:33] <thumper> so our email about your failing job was failing causing more issues
[06:33] <thumper> this branch adds an extra except block that just logs
[06:35] <thumper> BjornT: also be aware that in a conflict resolution branch I disabled a soyuz test, so they should land a fix for that
[06:36]  * thumper fetches a drink
[06:36] <StevenK> thumper: Which test, and how does it fail?
[06:37]  * StevenK fetches the mail, while waiting for dogfood's ppa publisher to die again
[06:39] <BjornT> thumper: ok, in general it looks ok for rc. however, it seems like the new exception handling you added is untested, no?
[06:46] <thumper> BjornT: it is
[06:46] <thumper> BjornT: untested that is
[06:46] <thumper> BjornT: I'd have to cause a failure, then monkey patch the sending to fail again
[06:46] <thumper> all to add something to the log
[06:47] <thumper> is it worth it?
[06:47] <thumper> StevenK: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/572005
[06:47] <mup> Bug #572005: Disabled test buildd-slavescanner.txt <Soyuz:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/572005>
[06:52] <BjornT> thumper: it's not hard to test without monkey patching. all you have to do is to create a custom Job class that fails in the place you expect it to fail, and maybe sub-classing BaseJobRunner to not do anything in runJob(). giving it's so simple, i'd say it's worth it.
[06:53] <thumper> BjornT: ok, I'll take a look
[06:54] <BjornT> thumper: and you're not only logging, you also report an oops.
[06:54] <thumper> BjornT: do you think I should just log?
[06:54] <thumper> I'm pretty sure that generating an oops is guaranteed not to oops
[06:56] <BjornT> thumper: i do think you should log an oops, since that makes the error visible to us. so maybe two tests are needed. one where notifyUserError errors out, and one where notifyOops errors out, to show that you will still log an oops in that case.
[06:57] <thumper> ok
[06:57] <thumper> I'm failing to generate the enthusiasm needed to do it at 6pm on a Friday
[06:57] <BjornT> thumper: without such a tests, it's tempting for someone to refactor that outer oops reporting to use self._doOops()
[06:57] <thumper> ok
[06:58] <noodles775> Morgan
[07:03] <BjornT> thumper: i'd be willing to let you land that branch as it is, though, if you promise to file bugs about the tests, and write them on monday (so that you can more easily qa this on monday)
[07:06] <thumper> BjornT: sounds fair
[11:04] <noodles775> Hi adeuring, when you're up for it: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~michael.nelson/launchpad/db-enable-buildd-slavescanner.txt/+merge/24478
[11:05] <adeuring> noodles775: sure
[11:20] <adeuring> noodles775: r=me
[11:20] <noodles775> Thanks adeuring
[11:22] <noodles775> Hi BjornT, can I get an RC to re-enable two soyuz tests (just to be sure that any later RC's can't break things tested in the two tests).
[11:22] <noodles775> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~michael.nelson/launchpad/db-enable-buildd-slavescanner.txt/+merge/24478
[12:05] <BjornT> noodles775: of course
[12:44] <noodles775> Thanks BjornT
[13:25] <noodles775> adeuring: another one when you've time: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~michael.nelson/launchpad/567922-binarypackagebuild-packagebuild-4/+merge/24356
[13:25] <noodles775> Sorry for the verbose MP.
[13:26] <adeuring> noodles775: nah, i like verbose MPs :)
[14:01] <allenap> adeuring: Fancy a couple of reviews?
[14:01] <adeuring> allenap: sure; I'm just finishing one for noodles775.
[14:02] <allenap> adeuring: Thanks. https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~allenap/launchpad/storm-bulk-reload-bug-572211/+merge/24492 then https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~allenap/launchpad/checkwatches-bulk-reload-bug-572211/+merge/24493
[14:05] <adeuring> noodles775: r=me
[14:05] <noodles775> Thanks adeuring.
[14:50] <adeuring> allenap: a very nice branch! just one suggestion: What about renaming "identity" to "object_is_key" so the intended usage is a bit more obvious
[14:58] <EdwinGrubbs> adeuring: I have a small branch that I'll want to try to get an RC for after it is reviewed. https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~edwin-grubbs/launchpad/bug-567065-empty-branch/+merge/24497
[14:58] <adeuring> EdwinGrubbs: add it to the queue.
[15:02] <noodles775> adeuring: my branch isn't an RC, so pls give EdwinGrubbs's branch priority.
[15:03] <adeuring> noodles775: sure
[15:03] <adeuring> EdwinGrubbs: sorry, did not notice that it is an RC branch....
[15:06] <allenap> adeuring: Okay, good idea. Thanks!
[15:07] <adeuring> allenap: approved your other branch too
[15:07] <allenap> adeuring: Brilliant, thanks.
[15:08] <adeuring> allenap: I'll miss things like I saw today when your on "bugs holidays"
[15:08] <adeuring> ...you are on...
[15:09] <allenap> adeuring: Hehe, I won't be gone long :)
[15:28] <adeuring> EdwinGrubbs: r=me
[15:28] <EdwinGrubbs> adeuring: thanks
[15:39] <EdwinGrubbs> deryck: I assume you are the backup RM since you were the release manager last month. Can I get an RC for https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~edwin-grubbs/launchpad/bug-567065-empty-branch/+merge/24497
[15:39] <adeuring> noodles775: has your branch 567922-binarypackagebuild-new-table-1 really a 1500 lines diff or should I use a diff against some other branch?
[15:40] <noodles775> adeuring: no it is not.
[15:40]  * noodles775 looks
[15:41] <deryck> EdwinGrubbs, sure, I can look at it.  Though I would feel more comfortable if flacoste looked, since he's probably already thought about release more than me.
[15:42] <EdwinGrubbs> deryck: ok, I'll ask him
[15:42] <EdwinGrubbs> flacoste: can I get an RC for https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~edwin-grubbs/launchpad/bug-567065-empty-branch/+merge/24497
[15:42] <deryck> EdwinGrubbs, if he is not able, then I can certainly.
[15:45] <noodles775> adeuring: here's the actual diff that I get locally...http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/425292/ I'm guessing I haven't pushed the previous branch.
[15:45] <adeuring> noodles775: thanks!
[15:58] <noodles775> adeuring: I'll need to merge a new db-devel on that branch and resolve all the conflicts :/
[15:58] <noodles775> It might be best to leave it for now.
[15:59] <adeuring> noodles775: ok, noproblem
[16:29] <EdwinGrubbs> deryck: I can't find flacoste, can you look at the branch?
[16:30] <flacoste> EdwinGrubbs: ???
[16:30] <flacoste> EdwinGrubbs: i approved it
[16:31] <deryck> no need for me then :-)
[16:36] <EdwinGrubbs> flacoste: oh, I'm still not used to that being part of the MP


[04:35] <MichaelHabib> hi, I'm trying to find a way to stop the "auto opening" of new created files .  When I create a New File, it opens up with Kate and that's not the program i want it opened with.
[04:52] <Pickers> hello.
[04:57] <renzorzons> buenas noches alguien que hable español y me pueda asesorar
[05:19] <rww> !es
[06:07] <renzorzons> Chuck?
[06:29] <digitaldefector> anyone here?
[07:05] <valorie> pfff
[07:16] <soee> good morning
[08:29] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:55] <Saphyel> gmornin' lordievader
[08:55] <lordievader> Hey Saphyel, how are you?
[08:59] <Saphyel> fine, trying to work and you?
[09:00] <lordievader> Waking up...
[09:15] <Saphyel> lordievader: where are you from?
[09:17] <lordievader> Saphyel: Stick around long enough and you'll find out ;) (hanging around in #kubuntu-offtopic helps)
[09:36] <Saphyel> lordievader: netherlands?
[09:44] <lordievader> Saphyel: Nice guess ;) Did you lookup my ip?
[09:45] <Saphyel> I didn't need it, with /whois is enough xD
[09:47] <lordievader> Ah, right XD
[09:48] <Saphyel> I always thought where you live people wakes up very soon
[11:01] <jtornero2> hello all. I'm having some trouble after messing with ltsp. The matter is that I am not able to boot in my machine but inside ltsp0 instead.
[11:03] <jtornero2> I think, after some irc with ltsp people, that I've messed up the boot sequence. But don't know in which way, and how can it be reverted
[11:13] <jtornero2> does anyone have any direction? I'm in a big trouble, providing this is my workstation
[11:14] <jtornero2> grub.cfg is in http://pastebin.com/B7jxN40i maybe it is useful
[11:15] <oromoda> You should ask lordievader maybe asap.
[11:20] <jtornero2> thanks oromoda
[11:27] <lordievader> !pm | jtornero2
[11:28] <lordievader> jtornero2: Anyhow, what seems to be the issue?
[11:32] <jtornero2> My apologies(thought it was better no to "bore" the other people), The issue is that I
[11:33] <lordievader> jtornero2: This channel is logged, might be usefull for people with the same problem later on.
[11:33] <jtornero2> restarted my machine this morning and wasn't able to boot again. Instead, I am able to get (through tty1) a console login but instead of "my machine" i get ltsp0 as machine. Boot proccess stops at "stopping system V runlevel comaptibility"
[11:34] <lordievader> jtornero2: I'm not familiar with ltsp, could you give some more details?
[11:34] <Walex> jtornero2: your report seems confused both in terminology and concept
[11:35] <Walex> jtornero2: if you «wasn't able to boot again» how can you «get (through tty1) a console login»?
[11:36] <lordievader> Walex: I was wondering the same thing..
[11:36] <jtornero2> walex: Sorry. I'm so confused, sorry about my language. When I said boot again I mean end up with my lovel KDE and my "usual" system
[11:36] <Walex> jtornero2: was your hardware swapped by the evil LTSP team overnight? :-)
[11:37] <Walex> jtornero2: because I am note sure whether by «i get ltsp0 as machine» you are reporting that the "hostname" of your OS changed or you got a completely different hw or a completely different installed system...
[11:38] <Walex> jtornero2: perhaps the issue is that you, without realizing it, cionfigured your existing system as a server for LTSP and with a different hostname, but your system is otherwise unchanged, so there is no reason to panic.
[11:39] <jtornero2> Sequence: 1) I switch on my machine. 2) Choose the usual menu item in grub menu at the beggining. 3) Boot sequence ends in what I pointe d out before (Stopping system V....) 3) I press ctrl-alt-F1 and I am able to log in with my habitual credentials...
[11:39] <Walex> jtornero2: for example when you login to the console, do you find your usual files and partitions etc.?
[11:40] <jtornero2> ok, Walex, that's the point. I don't get that. I get another linux-kind filesystem. All the rest of my data and partitions are still there (was able to find it with a live distro)
[11:40] <Walex> jtornero2: it is already good that you can login «with my habitual credentials», that suggests nothing fundamental has really changed
[11:41] <Walex> jtornero2: then the questions is whether you have reinstalled a different distribution on the "root" partition of your machine or just reconfigured it.
[11:41] <jtornero2> As ltsp-people said, after I told them, maybe it is matter of having installed ltsp-client in the same machine that should act as a server, that messes up everthing
[11:42] <Walex> jtornero2: reinstallation is unlikely because your userid and password are still there.
[11:42] <Walex> jtornero2: what do you see when you do 'cat /etc/issue'?
[11:43] <jtornero2> Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS \n \l
[11:43] <Walex> jtornero2: and 'lsb_release -d' says the same I hope...
[11:43] <jtornero2> Yes
[11:43] <Walex> jtornero2: that is very encouraging.
[11:44] <Walex> jtornero2: now try to do this: 'sudo telinit 3'
[11:44] <jtornero2> Walex: but, for instance, it complaints about not founding dpkg when doing the "obvious" apt-get remove ltsp and stuff
[11:44] <Walex> jtornero2: that's not so awesome.
[11:44] <jtornero2> Wales: done and nothing happens
[11:45] <Walex> jtornero2: can you 'ping <IP_ADDRESS>'?
[11:46] <jtornero2> Walex: No. runlevel command raises /var/run/utmp not found
[11:46] <Walex> jtornero2: can you copy-and-paste to 'pastebinit' on another system?
[11:47] <Walex> jtornero2: it may be that you are inside a "restricted" environment such as a LTSP client environment.
[11:48] <jtornero2> Walex: Depends. If it is something I can paste when booting with a live distro (i have benn looking around with a old gparted live), yes. If not, it is difficult. Right now irc-ing with another machine, and old laptop.
[11:49] <jtornero2> Walex: But I have to do whatever I have to do!!
[11:51] <jtornero2> Walex: yes, it looks like that, after what ltsp people told me. And makes a lot of sense. The client won't never starts as the server (the same machine) neither will do
[11:53] <jtornero2> Walex: so I guess the point is to prevent booting from that restricted environment
[12:13] <jtornero2> Walex: I'm able to operate... how should I start?
[12:17] <Walex> jtornero2: sorry, brief away-from-keyboard
[12:18] <Walex> jtornero2: please put onto paste.debian.net the output of 'ps xu' or even better of 'ps axu'
[12:18] <Walex> jtornero2: to figure out the chain of processes that booted into the current runlevel
[12:19] <Walex> jtornero2: also the output of 'df -T -BG'
[12:19] <Walex> jtornero2: and that of 'blkid | sort'
[12:21] <jtornero2> Walex: Ok, let see how I perform that
[12:22] <Walex> jtornero2: also what kind of boot menu did you see at boot?
[12:22] <jtornero2> Walex typical kubuntu 14.04 grub menu (version 2.02 beta2-9ubuntu1
[12:29] <jtornero2> Walex: I've to restart the machine to be able to export the outputs to the pastebin. Would you need any other information or can I proceed?
[12:31] <cmt29> since upgrade to 14.10 my internet stops working after around 10-30 seconds when connected via wireless. Any ideas?
[12:35] <Walex> jtornero2: just proceed.
[12:37] <jtornero2> Walex: OK. In a while I paste the first two commands. But I can tell you in advance that the blkid command outputs nothing
[12:37] <Walex> jtornero2: what is most likely happening is that you are being logged into a LTSP "chroot", and the way out is to figure out how, so you can login in the full account
[12:38] <Walex> jtornero2: 'sudo blkid' too?
[12:41] <jtornero2> Walex: aaargh! wait a second!
[12:41] <jtornero2> Walex: yes, sudoing the command makes sense
[12:51] <jtornero2> Walex: command output are at http://paste.debian.net/130533
[12:57] <jtornero2> Walex: sda3 and sda2 are mounted to be able to save the output commands and recover then booting from a live distro
[13:01] <Walex> jtornero2: sorry, distracted again...
[13:04] <Walex> jtornero2: but if the 'ps' output is from the actual system and not from the live CD (and it is seems from the actual system) your login is likely not inside a 'chroot'...
[13:06] <jtornero2> the ps output is from wherever i boot into... don't know if a chroot but in any case it's not my usual system
[13:11] <jtornero2> Walex: pretty annoying issue?
[13:28] <paradox_> hello
[13:28] <paradox_> anyone has problem with Kubuntu 14.10. with plazma 5, not being able to save custom shortcuts
[13:29] <paradox_> ?
[13:29] <lordievader> !plasma5
[13:29] <lordievader> paradox_: File a bug ;)
[13:30] <paradox_> will do, just wanted to make sure it's not something i did
[13:31] <jtornero2> Walex: any other idea?
[13:32] <lordievader> paradox_: Last time I tried it I had the same problem. Never filled a bug about it... guess it never got fixed.
[13:44] <Walex> jtornero2: sorry, being taken away again. I am now going to be here for a while I hope
[13:46] <Walex> jtornero2: the thing that seems to indicate a 'chroot' is that 'dpkg' is missing...
[13:47] <Walex> jtornero2: what does 'ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/' look like? Also 'ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/dpkg*'
[13:48] <Walex> jtornero2: my current working hypothesis is that your system is basically unchanged, but that your personal account is being logged into a 'chroot'.
[13:49] <lordievader> Wouldn't that show up in /etc/passwd?
[13:50] <Walex> lordievader: that's one other check to do, but it may show up in the '/etc/passwd' in the containing system, not necessarily the 'chrooted' one.
[13:50] <jtornero2> Walex: I really appreciate your return and help, believeme. The ouput of both commands (with sudo or not) indicate that the file doesn't exists
[13:50] <Walex> lordievader: at some point I am going to suggest booting with 'init=/bin/bash'
[13:51] <lordievader> From following this discussion from bit to bit leads me to conclude that ltsp is something nasty.
[13:51] <Walex> jtornero2: if '/var/lib/dpkg/info/' is empty or missing instead of existing and having hundreds of files either your system is very badly damaged or you are running inside a 'chroot'
[13:52] <Walex> lordievader: no, it is pretty good, but it assumes that you run the client sw on different machine from the server...
[13:52] <Walex> lordievader: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Concepts#The_LTSP_chroot_environment
[13:53] <Walex> lordievader: basically it turns the clients into remote X terminals for VM-like 'chroot' instances on the server.
[13:53] <Walex> lordievader: "jtornero2" sort of confessed mixing the two.
[13:53] <lordievader> Hmm, so not like PXE thinclient booting ;)
[13:54] <Walex> lordievader: PXE X terminal booting when done right on client machines :-)
[13:54] <lordievader> Hmm the mini linux distro is likely to be PXE'ed.
[13:54] <jtornero2> Walex: well, actually not sort of confessed... completely confessed
[13:54] <Walex> lordievader: yes, but the mini distro only contains an X server :-)
[13:55] <lordievader> Here we just provide a fluxbox desktop through PXE so users can RDP to our Windows server.
[13:55] <Walex> lordievader: LTSP is similar but with GNU/Linux (not quite the same though).
[13:55] <lordievader> Check
[13:57] <Walex> jtornero2: the goal now is to find an account on your base system that does not get you into a 'chroot'. So the best thing is probably to boot with 'init=/bin/bash' and then edit '/etc/passwd' and/or give your 'root' account a password so you can log into it directly
[13:57] <Walex> jtornero2: so reboot your machine and when the GRUB menu comes up type 'e' to enter edit mode.
[13:57] <jtornero2> Walex: ok
[13:58] <jtornero2> Walex: I'm in edit mode
[13:59] <Walex> jtornero2: then use arrow keys to go down to the 'linux' line and append " init=/bin/bash" to it (without quotes)
[13:59] <jtornero2> Walex: done
[14:00] <jtornero2> Walex: guess I must boot now
[14:01] <Walex> yes, Ctrl-x IIRC
[14:01] <Walex> when you are in the boot shell, do 'mount -o remount,rw /'
[14:01] <jtornero2> Walex: bash:done
[14:02] <Walex> jtornero2: and after remount '/' RW, have a look at 'egrep "root|peo" /etc/passwd'
[14:02] <Walex> jtornero2: what kind of shell or home directory have they got?
[14:03] <Walex> jtornero2: the line for 'root' should look like "root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash"
[14:03] <jtornero2> Walex: wait a second. 'peo' was a fast-name for mounting the thing that time. I guess I should put my regular user instead peo?
[14:03] <Walex> jtornero2: yes.
[14:04] <jtornero2> Walex: Ok: antares:x:1000:1000:antares,,,:/home/antares/bin/bash
[14:04] <Walex> jtornero2: is "/home/antares/bin/bash" expected? Why is it not "/bin/bash"?
[14:05] <lordievader> Modified bash script/binary?
[14:05] <jtornero2> Walex: sorry, the final part is /home/antares:/bin/bash
[14:06] <Walex> jtornero2: that's fine then, but then I don't get how you end up in a 'chroot'.
[14:06] <lordievader> Upstart service?
[14:07] <Walex> jtornero2: do you see now many files in 'ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/'?
[14:07] <Walex> lordievader: that would be horrifying :-)
[14:07] <lordievader> Walex: It would be... but I wouldn't be surprised ;)
[14:07] <Walex> jtornero2: BTW, do you have a separate '/var/' partition?
[14:08] <Walex> jtornero2: look at 'cat /etc/fstab' for that
[14:08] <jtornero2> Walex: now my /etc/fstab just read "Dynamically generated by LTSP and just have a single line
[14:09] <jtornero2> Walex: but wait a second. I'll try to mount the sda partitions to see
[14:09] <Walex> jtornero2: what does that single line look like?
[14:09] <Walex> jtornero2: you seem to have tried to configure your system as LTSP "thick" client
[14:10] <jtornero2> Walex: proc /proc proc nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
[14:10] <lordievader> Hehe :P
[14:10] <lordievader> What a mess.
[14:11] <Walex> jtornero2: I need to have a look inside the LTSP client package because "lordievader" is probably quite right that having setup your system as a LTSP "thick" client there is an 'upstart' script that boots you into a LTSP client environment.
[14:11] <Walex> jtornero2: wait a bit
[14:13] <Walex> jtornero2: in the meantime try: 'ls -l /etc/init/ltsp*'
[14:14] <jtornero2> Walex: ltsp-client-core.conf and ltsp-cluster.accountmanager.conf
[14:15] <Walex> I think that 'ltsp-cluster.accountmanager.conf' is for the server part, and indeed 'ltsp-client-core.conf' is probably the source of much of your trouble.
[14:16] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:17] <jtornero2> Walex: guess is not going to be as easy as 'rm ltsp-client-core.conf'
[14:18] <Walex> jtornero2: it could be as easy as that...
[14:18] <lordievader> jtornero2: Could you pastebin that script?
[14:18] <Walex> jtornero2: and then removing the 'ltsp-client' package.
[14:18] <Walex> jtornero2: I just looked at that script
[14:18] <Walex> lordievader: he cannot easily, but I can, wait a sec
[14:19] <Walex> lordievader: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8852327/
[14:19] <Walex> lordievader: and this is '/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common': http://paste.ubuntu.com/8852329/
[14:20] <jtornero2> Walex: Thank you very much. My file looks exactly equal as the first pastebin. I'll look the next, hold a second
[14:22] <lordievader> Hmm, they don't seem to start chroots or something.
[14:23] <Walex> lordievader: because I think he installed the "thick" client stuff. So he may have turned his '/' filetree into a thick client one...
[14:23] <lordievader> I.e. his install is nuked?
[14:23] <Walex> jtornero2: it would be exceptionally useful to figure out which partitions holds your '/var' filetree
[14:24] <jtornero2> Walex lodridevader: ok, let me boot with the live distro
[14:24] <Walex> lordievader: perhaps his install is nuked, but if that is the case it has been replaced by a mini-Ubuntu install, which can be easily upgraded to a full on
[14:24] <Walex> jtornero2: you don't need to boot the livedistro
[14:25] <jtornero2> Walex: too late :( It is just if I want to copy/paste whatever I can't do without that
[14:25] <Walex> jtornero2: do you remember the network parameters for your system?
[14:26] <jtornero2> Walex: more or less, but just my IP
[14:26] <drandynisbet> Im running kubuntu 14.04 LTS on an ARM Samsung Chromebook
[14:26] <drandynisbet> I'm getting an issue with installing swap on this device
[14:26] <drandynisbet> sudo mkswap -L "SWAP-PARTITION" /dev/sda1
[14:27] <drandynisbet>  more /etc/fstab LABEL="SWAP-PARTITION" none swap sw 0 0
[14:27] <drandynisbet> sudo swapon -v -L "SWAP-PARTITION" swapon on /dev/sda1 swapon: /dev/sda1: found swap signature: version 1, page-size 4, same byte order swapon: /dev/sda1: pagesize=4096, swapsize=2147483648, devsize=2147483648 swapon: /dev/sda1: swapon failed: Invalid argument
[14:27] <lordievader> !paste | dashcloud
[14:27] <lordievader> !paste | drandynisbet
[14:27] <lordievader> dashcloud: Whoops, sorry.
[14:28] <lordievader> drandynisbet: What happens when you simply run "sudo swapon"?
[14:29] <drandynisbet> swapon: /dev/sda1: swapon failed: Invalid argument
[14:30] <drandynisbet> I am booting from an external SD card
[14:30] <drandynisbet> I have tried to make  a swapfile on the SD card (same error)
[14:30] <arthurfiggis> drandynisbet: out of curiousity when you installed, did you enable the "encrypted home directory" option? when i did that with 14.04 no swap file/partition was created at all, some sort of installer bug maybe...not sure about 14.10 i just used full disk encryption and left it off
[14:31] <drandynisbet> I have tried a partition on a USB drive
[14:31] <drandynisbet> saem error,
[14:31] <drandynisbet> I am not using encryption, or at least I did not enable it
[14:31] <lordievader> drandynisbet: Make the swappartition without the label, and put it in fstab with /dev/sda1. Then try again.
[14:32] <drandynisbet> Done it already
[14:32] <drandynisbet> Done it using /dev/sda1
[14:32] <drandynisbet> and wiuth UUID
[14:32] <drandynisbet> and with LABEL
[14:32] <drandynisbet> saem error each time
[14:33] <lordievader> drandynisbet: Does a swap file work?
[14:34] <drandynisbet> nisbeta@arndale2:/$ cat /proc/swaps
[14:34] <drandynisbet> returns
[14:34] <drandynisbet> Filename				Type		Size	Used	Priority
[14:34] <arthurfiggis> drandynisbet: ahh okay...sorry that was probably not very helpful, it's just the first swap issue that came to mind so i figured i'd check it out anyway :)
[14:34] <drandynisbet> with no entries
[14:34] <drandynisbet> so its not working
[14:34] <jtornero2> Walex: I've mounted all my sda's. In sda4 is where my dpkg/info folder is, and it contains a whole bunch of files
[14:35] <drandynisbet> Are you using an ARM chromebook? And are you using an external SD?
[14:35] <lordievader> drandynisbet: Who are you addressing here?
[14:37] <drandynisbet> If anyone has got swap working on an ARMv7 chromebook, with an external SD install then I'd be interested to know how. I guess something is broken/turned off in the kernel.
[14:38] <jtornero2> Walex lordievader: 12835 files (.list, .md5sumds....)
[14:39] <lordievader> drandynisbet: A swapfile on ARMvX RPi works fine.
[14:39] <lordievader> drandynisbet: Hence the suggestion to use a swap file.
[14:39] <drandynisbet> Have you used the internal storage to install?
[14:39] <drandynisbet> to <lordievader>
[14:39] <lordievader> drandynisbet: What internal storage?
[14:40] <lordievader> drandynisbet: /boot is on the SD card, the rest is loaded through nfs.
[14:40] <drandynisbet> lordievader: the internal nonvolatile memory
[14:41] <drandynisbet> We have nfs working, and have had automount working previously.
[14:41] <lordievader> drandynisbet: The RPi doesn't have any of that. (Unless you are referring to the SD card)
[14:42] <drandynisbet> My target ... is  a Samsung Chromebook XE303C12-A10UK
[14:42] <drandynisbet> You can install on its internal NVM or on an external SD or USB.
[14:43] <drandynisbet> Ive installed on an SD card so it's /dev/mmcblk1
[14:44] <drandynisbet> How would I determine if  user directories were encrypted by default?
[14:44] <lordievader> drandynisbet: Ls their directory with root.
[14:45] <drandynisbet> I can see files, so I guess they are not encrypted?
[14:45] <drandynisbet> and more them ...
[14:45] <drandynisbet> sucessfully for text.
[14:45] <lordievader> drandynisbet: For ecryptfs you'd see a text file on how to unlock your home-dir.
[14:46] <drandynisbet> ok so enryption is not a reason wh y swapon might fail (I have seen this issue mentioned in some of the wikis) for me
[14:47] <drandynisbet> Another user had the same problem on archlinux http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7337
[14:51] <Walex> jtornero2: that's good
[14:52] <jtornero2> Walex: I really want to believe that :)
[14:52] <Walex> jtornero2: did you find where the other partitions should be mounted?
[14:53] <jtornero2> Walex: oh yes, I am able to remount all the tree (well, my home is a little tricky due to some issues in the past) but the important things, yes I do
[14:53] <Walex> jtornero2: you still in the liveCD?
[14:53] <Walex> jtornero2: what kind of liveCD is it?
[14:54] <jtornero2> Walex: a gparted live from 2013
[14:54] <Walex> jtornero2: that's a bit thin. Do you have an Ubuntu install/rescue disk?
[14:54] <Walex> jtornero2: never mind...
[14:55] <jtornero2> I have my Kubuntu 14.04 LTS dvd
[14:55] <Walex> jtornero2: make a note of which partitions should be mounted where...
[14:56] <jtornero2> Walex: just one thing, /tmp not pretty sure, but it should have plugtmp folder inside?
[14:56] <Walex> jtornero2: never mind about '/tmp' as it just be a directory on '/' anyhow
[14:57] <kbroulik> what could happen if I take away all rights on .xsession-errors so nobody (especially not the "this should neverh appen" spam) could write in there?
[14:57] <jtornero2> Walex: it is just I have a partition for this, I guess
[14:57] <Walex> jtornero2: that can be fixed later...
[14:58] <Walex> jtornero2: the plan I have in mind is to get you to 'chroot' into your system from a Ubuntu-like liveCD, as working from the 'init=/bin/bash' prompt is a bit uncomfortable and has some downsides.
[14:58] <Walex> jtornero2: are you familiar with using 'screen'?
[14:59] <jtornero2> Walex, just for peeking /dev/ttyS0 and related stuff
[15:00] <Walex> jtornero2: but do you know the commands to create sessions in it etc?
[15:00] <jtornero2> Walex: but know enogh for ctrl+a and :q to quit
[15:00] <Walex> jtornero2: good enough
[15:00] <Walex> jtornero2: then reboot with 'init=/bin/bash' as before and then when you are in BASH start 'screen'
[15:00] <jtornero2> Walex: no, but I have this laptop and the machine, so the googling could do the trick
[15:00] <jtornero2> Walex: ok
[15:02] <jtornero2> Walex: when screen, got '/var/run/screen/S-root': Read-only filesystem
[15:02] <lordievader> jtornero2: Remount it rw ;)
[15:03] <Walex> jtornero2: you need to 'mount -o remount,rw /' as before... Forgot to remind you of that.
[15:03] <Walex> jtornero2: do that from outside 'screen'.
[15:03] <Walex> jtornero2: do 'ps t' to check whether you are inside 'screen'
[15:03] <jtornero2> wait a second, forgot to remount
[15:04] <jtornero2> Walex: screen on
[15:04] <Walex> now mount on '/var' the appropriate partition and the same for '/usr'
[15:05] <jtornero2> Walex: I sent ps t and got tw lines (/bin/sh and ps t) but prompt just # I guess it is correct
[15:06] <Walex> jtornero2: and which TTY did it list?
[15:07] <jtornero2> Walex: lost those lines, I'll start over (my font size is like a airplane)
[15:09] <jtornero2> Walex: pts/0
[15:09] <Walex> jtornero2: that's good, you are indeed inside 'screen' which helps
[15:10] <Walex> jtornero2: have you mounted the partitions with '/usr' and '/var' in them?
[15:10] <jtornero2> Walex: I'll mount /var then. /usr is already mounted because / is mounted
[15:10] <jtornero2> Walex: /var mounted
[15:14] <jtornero2> Walex: sorry, maybe I've not explained well: When booting, /dev/sda2 is mounted, which means that I've / filesystem mounted.
[15:15] <jtornero2> Walex: In that partition I had / with man other folders but I have /var in a partition apart (/dev/sda4)
[15:15] <Walex> jtornero2: what does 'ls -ld /usr/bin/dppkg*' list?
[15:15] <Walex> jtornero2: what does 'ls -ld /usr/bin/dpkg*' list?
[15:16] <jtornero2> Walex: 2 files
[15:17] <jtornero2> Walex: sorry 24 files
[15:17] <Walex> jtornero2: that's good
[15:17] <Walex> jtornero2: now 'dpkg -l "ltsp*"'
[15:20] <jtornero2> Walex: it outputs a nice tabulated info screen with: ltsp-client, ltsp-client-co,ltsp-cluster-a,ltsp-docs,ltsp-server,ltsp-server-standalone,ltsp-utils,ltspfs,ltspfsd and ltspfsd-core packages. Columns are trimmed but first column shows 'ii'
[15:20] <Walex> jtornero2: good, good
[15:22] <Walex> jtornero2: then I would suggest 'dpkg --purge' at least the "ltsp-client" ones :-)
[15:22] <Walex> the package description for 'ltsp-client' says: "DO NOT install this package on a regular machine, it is intended only for installation inside a LTSP client file system." :-)
[15:23] <Walex> jtornero2: also 'dpkg --purge ltspfs'
[15:23] <jtornero2> Walex: Ok, let's see
[15:27] <Walex> for those who are following: using 'screen' in the 'init=/bin/bash' case helps for various reasons, but the main one is that 'init=/bin/bash' does not set up the TTY session properly.
[15:27] <Walex> I think that one can use 'init=/usr/bin/screen' directly, but on some systems '/usr' is not mounted at that point.
[15:29] <jtornero2> Walex: it complaints a little but I've managed to remove all. Time to reboot?
[15:29] <Walex> jtornero2: not yet...
[15:29] <Walex> jtornero2: almost.
[15:29] <jtornero2> Walex: ok
[15:29]  * lordievader is curious to see if Walex will pull it off :)
[15:29] <Walex> jtornero2: 'service networking start' and 'ip a' and 'ip r'
[15:30] <Walex> lordievader: there is no question that there is a working Kubuntu install on the disk, so one way or another, it now depends on how much damage installed 'ltsp-client*' did and how to fix it.
[15:31] <jtornero2> Walex: done
[15:31] <Walex> jtornero2: and what did 'ip a' and 'ip r' say?
[15:31] <Walex> just the dotted numbers...
[15:32] <Walex> jtornero2: do you recognize the dotted numbers?
[15:32] <jtornero2> Walex: yes I see a mac, I gueess. But the service start failed, I was "so excited"
[15:33] <Walex> jtornero2: so do you remember the IP address, gateway address and network mask?
[15:33] <jtornero2> Walex: initctl: Unable to connect to Upstart: failed to connecto to socket /com/unutu/upstart: connection refused
[15:33] <Walex> jtornero2: if your laptop is connected to the same network they can be easy to find or make up
[15:33] <jtornero2> Walex: yes, it is
[15:33] <Walex> jtornero2: ah yes, that's one of the problems with stupid init systems like 'systemd' (or even 'upstart'
[15:34] <Walex> jtornero2: so we need an IP address, gateway address, network prefix
[15:35] <Walex> jtornero2: in the meantime do 'echo nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> > /etc/resolv.conf'
[15:35] <Walex> when you have the numbers: ip a a $IPADDRESS/$PREFIX dev eth0
[15:36] <Walex> and after that: ip r a default via $GATEWAYADDRESS
[15:36] <jtornero2> Walex: Wait a second. No resolv.conf
[15:36] <Walex> jtornero2: then first 'rm /etc/resolv.conf' and then the 'echo ....'
[15:37] <Walex> jtornero2: when you have done all that do 'apt-get update'
[15:37] <jtornero2> Walex: there is a resolv.conf (i see it when ls) but not able to reach.
[15:37] <jtornero2> Walex I'll do the rm then
[15:38] <jtornero2> Walex: done
[15:39] <jtornero2> Walex: network prefix is?
[15:40] <Walex> jtornero2: usually something like /24
[15:40] <Walex> jtornero2: or use the netmask that usually looks like '<IP_ADDRESS>'
[15:40] <jtornero2> Walex: in this windows laptop the netmask is <IP_ADDRESS> so i should use that I guess
[15:40] <Walex> jtornero2: doing 'ip a' and 'ip r' on your laptop will show you the values
[15:41] <Walex> jtornero2: of course don't use the exact same address value as the laptop, but the prefix/network and gatway should be the same.
[15:42] <jtornero2> Walex: es, I'll use my usual (fixed) IP
[15:42] <Walex> jtornero2: good
[15:45] <jtornero2> Walex: troubles with the gateway I guess. No gateway bu automatic configuration adress (range 169.)
[15:45] <Walex> jtornero2: that is rather weird
[15:46] <jtornero2> Walex: Well I'm not at home... inside my work and things are weird out there.
[15:46] <Walex> jtornero2: on your laptop if you do 'tcptraceroute google.com' what is the first or second address?
[15:47] <Walex> jtornero2: but at work your IT people should be able to tell you which gateway address to use etc...
[15:47] <jtornero2> Walex: no such command in this windows. Wait a while for installing
[15:48] <Walex> jtornero2: that first address should tell you which gateway your network has
[15:51] <jtornero2> Walex: in this case is 172.194... I issue it with ip r and: RTNETLINK answers: network is unreachable
[15:51] <Walex> did you do 'ip a a ....' before?
[15:52] <Walex> is your static IP address beginning with '172.194.'?
[15:53] <jtornero2> Walex: I issued an ip a a before with wrong network mask. I see two inet entries when 'ip a'
[15:53] <jtornero2> Walex: and no, my fixed is 172.23
[15:53] <Walex> jtornero2: my impression is that if you have so much difficulty configuring an interface IP addres and gateway address on your network perhaps you would benefit from a *a lot* more training before trying to install LTSP
[15:54] <Walex> jtornero2: how can it be that your gateway address is in a different subnet from your interface address? That does not make sense.
[15:54] <lordievader> NAT /me flies away
[15:55] <Walex> lordievader: but the laptop must have the right gateway address... or else we would not be getting anything.
[15:55] <jtornero2> Walex: no doubt on that. I thougth I was pretty isolated, in the sense that reading the "recipes" About the gateway subnet... just I guess that are my copany it people tricks
[15:56] <Walex> jtornero2: if you do a 'ip r' on your laptop there must in there an address that begins '172.23.' in a line containing the word "default".
[15:56] <lordievader> The fact that dhcp returns nothing also says something...
[15:59] <jtornero2> Walex: Ok don't know what does the installed tracetcp, but I have a fellow right here with linux, and it looks like issuing lp 3 whe get the default to be in 172.23. Sorry about the other stuff, don't know what did tractcp did on this Windows laptop
[16:00] <BluesKaj> stati
[16:00] <BluesKaj> c
[16:00] <Walex> jtornero2: if you have a MS-Windows laptop the you should have told us...
[16:00] <Walex> jtornero2: or perhaps you did...
[16:01] <jtornero2> Walex: Sorry... i said it but I fear I misused english... I said many times "in this windows" and maybe I said it badly, my apologies (terribly ashamed, believeme)
[16:02] <Walex> jtornero2: I thought you meant "in this window"...
[16:02] <jtornero2> Walex: yes, that's the point... very sorry about that
[16:02] <Walex> jtornero2: then the command for figuring out the numbers from MS-Windows are all different.
[16:03] <Walex> jtornero2: you never said that 'ip a' and 'ip r' did not work on the laptop.
[16:03] <Walex> jtornero2: ipconfig /all
[16:04] <jtornero2> Walex: done
[16:05] <Walex> jtornero2: two numbers will begin with '172.23.' and one of them will be the gateway address. it will be on a line containing also "<IP_ADDRESS>"
[16:14] <jtornero> Walex: got disconnected
[16:14] <jtornero> Walex: Sorry
[16:15] <jtornero> Walex: I
[16:15] <Walex> jtornero2: ipconfig /all
[16:15] <Walex> jtornero2: two numbers will begin with '172.23.' and one of them will be the gateway address. it will be on a line containing also "<IP_ADDRESS>"
[16:16] <jtornero> Walex: es, I told you that I haven't the line <IP_ADDRESS> but I have both the default gateway, which is coincident with a fella ere with linux
[16:17] <Walex> jtornero: then use that address as in 'ip a a defaul via $GATEWAY'
[16:17] <Walex> jtornero: it must have the same subnet as the address of the Kubuntu systenm
[16:18] <jtornero> Walex: ip a a or ip a r default via gateway? the kubuntu complaints "an inet prefix is expected"
[16:18] <Walex> jtornero: then use that address as in 'ip r a default via $GATEWAY'
[16:19] <jtornero> Walex: RTNETLINK answers: network is unreachable
[16:19] <Walex> jtornero: then they are not in the same subnet...
[16:20] <Walex> jtornero: ask the other user to help you.
[16:20] <jtornero> Walex: it is possible to remove an entry issued with ip a a $IPADDRESS/MASK dev eth0?
[16:20] <Walex> jtornero: yes with 'ip a d $IPADDRESS/MASK'
[16:20] <Walex> jtornero: yes with 'ip a d $IPADDRESS/MASK dev eth0'
[16:24] <jtornero> Walex: no way. I guess it looked promising
[16:27] <Walex> jtornero: if you don't know the IP address and gateway for your own network you really can't get much use out of that system anyhow.
[16:28] <Walex> jtornero: perhaps do 'cat /etc/network/interfaces' it might still be there
[16:29] <jtornero> Walex: looking into my partner's output of lp a has, after inet <IP_ADDRESS>/16 stuff the following: brd <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:29] <Walex> that is the broadcast address. The gateway address appears in 'ip r'
[16:29] <jtornero> Walex: also, my /etc/netwrok/interfaces has auto lo and iface lo inet loopback, maybe an entry for eth0 is missing
[16:30] <Walex> jtornero: that's a problem for later.
[16:31] <jtornero> Walex: Ok
[16:33] <k0s> guys
[16:33] <k0s> could u hear me?
[16:33] <k0s> or see what im writing?
[16:34] <Walex> k0s: no!
[16:34] <jtornero> Walex: could it be possible that my interface is not eth0?
[16:35] <k0s> srly?
[16:35] <oromoda> What are you writing?
[16:35] <BluesKaj> k0s, what client?
[16:35] <k0s> i dont know
[16:35] <k0s> just testing
[16:35] <k0s> quassel IRC
[16:35] <k0s> kububtu IRC
[16:35] <k0s> how could i config it?
[16:35] <lordievader> !test | k0s
[16:37] <BluesKaj>  or join #quassel
[16:39] <jtornero> Walex: on't know exactl what I've done but 1) i am able to ping some host inside m net and ip r shows a line
[16:40] <Walex> jtornero: can you 'ping <IP_ADDRESS>'?
[16:42] <jtornero> Walex: no, network unreachable
[16:42] <marv_>  /join #kubuntu-de
[16:43] <Walex> jtornero: then your gateway is wrong and you cannot access the internet from that system.
[16:43] <Walex> jtornero: can you 'ping' your laptop?
[16:43] <Walex> jtornero: have you done 'ip l s up dev eth0'?
[16:46] <jtornero> Walex: yes for the laptop, sent the ommand and still unreachable. ip r shows <IP_ADDRESS>/16
[16:46] <Walex> jtornero: that's a network address not a gateway address.
[16:46] <Walex> jtornero: ask someone else around you...
[16:47] <jtornero> Walex: YYYYYYEEEEESSSS I ping <IP_ADDRESS> after sending again ip r a default via 172...
[16:47] <Walex> jtornero: so now do 'apt-get update'
[16:48] <jtornero> Walex: yes, I guessed that (but I waited for you :))
[16:48] <jtornero> Walex: done
[16:49] <Walex> jtornero: now 'dpkg --configure -a'
[16:50] <jtornero> Walex: done, no output from the command
[16:50] <Walex> jtornero: apt-get upgrade
[16:51] <jtornero> Walex: going on
[16:51] <Walex> jtornero: good good
[16:51] <Walex> jtornero: hopefully it will fix some of the damage.
[16:51] <Walex> jtornero: have you made a note of the gateway address, IP address and network mask?
[16:52] <jtornero> Walex: yes
[16:53] <Walex> jtornero: then do 'Ctrl-a c' and in the new 'screen' session use some editor to add something like this to '/etc/network/interfaces': https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Configuring_the_interface_manually
[16:54] <jtornero> Walex: Ok, dpkg still working but ready in a little
[16:58] <jtornero> Walex: all done
[17:00] <Walex> jtornero: including the editing of '/etc/network/interfaces'?
[17:01] <jtornero> Walex: yes
[17:01] <Walex> jtornero: now do 'ip flush dev eth0' and then 'ifup eth0' and then 'ping <IP_ADDRESS>'
[17:03] <jtornero> Walex: ip flush complaints of "object flush is unkown, googling a little
[17:04] <Walex> jtornero: 'ip a flush dev eth0'
[17:04] <jtornero> Walex, yes, it what I just found and seems to work
[17:04] <jtornero> Walex: Yes, it works perfectly
[17:05] <Walex> jtornero: now do 'update-grub'
[17:06] <jtornero> Walex: cannot create /boot/grub/grub.cfg.new I think it is because I had /boot in another partition not munted yed. I'll mount it an try again
[17:06] <jtornero> Walex: yes, now update-grub is working and finished
[17:07] <jtornero> Walex: so I guess it is time to reb....
[17:07] <Walex> jtornero: yes...
[17:08] <jtornero> Walex: ok
[17:09] <jtornero> Walex: Incredible
[17:09] <jtornero> Walex: It has stopped loading. But far away than before
[17:15] <jtornero> Walex mabe it is an issue with fstab
[17:17] <lordievader>  /var being on a different partition means it is not being mounted (if it still just /proc)
[17:19] <jtornero> Now it stops in "starting enable remaining boot-time encrpted block devices" and it still brings up tftp-hpa severs, I think it was related to ltsp
[17:19] <jtornero> I've modified fstab to accomodate my old partitions
[17:19] <lordievader> jtornero: It is, it is used for PXE ;)
[17:22] <jtornero> lordievader Walex: I guess I should unisntall that
[17:23] <lordievader> Meh, it is the least of your problems ;)
[17:24] <jtornero> lordievader: have an idea where they are?
[17:24] <lordievader> jtornero: Where what is?
[17:24] <jtornero> lordievader: those fixable problems :(
[17:25] <lordievader> jtornero: I have no idea what the current state of your machine is...
[17:27] <Walex> jtornero: if you have updated 'fstab' then reboot again. Don't worry about the 'tftp-ha' server or remove it.
[17:28] <jtornero> Walex: I've updated it (I let there the mount line for /proc) but it stucks
[17:29] <Walex> jtornero: where?
[17:30] <jtornero> Walex: first line of fstab
[17:30] <Walex> jtornero: what appears on the screen?
[17:30] <jtornero> Walex: maybe trouble with mount optoins
[17:31] <jtornero> Walex: on the screen?
[17:32] <Walex> jtornero: if the boot is stuck, what is the last message printed?
[17:34] <jtornero> Now, Stoppimg System V runlevel compatibility.
[17:34] <jtornero> Walex: Now, after several seconds, aanother message "stopping boot sequence auditing" is shown
[17:35] <jtornero> I can login as reular user, a mount shows a nfsd on /proc/fs/nfsd
[17:36] <jtornero> Walex: and when login I log in my (real) home directory
[17:38] <jtornero> Walex: Some good news. My postgresql server works. startx makes an attempt but fails.
[17:51] <jtornero> Walex loridevader: I have a little kde glimse. Guess it is going possible to make it.
[17:51] <lordievader> jtornero: X starts?
[17:53] <jtornero> lordievader: system loading stops, I log throug tty1 and after an update-alternatives, sudo startx works more or less (well, less)
[17:53] <jtornero> At least once
[17:53] <jtornero> not again :(
[17:53] <jtornero> but once
[17:56] <lordievader> jtornero: Err, where does it go when it fails to start?
[17:57] <Walex> jtornero:'dpkg-reconfigure' for the X server and desktop manager
[17:57] <Walex> jtornero: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/07/how-to-switch-between-gdm-lightdm-or.html
[17:58] <jtornero> lordievade Walex: yes I found dpkg-reconfigure kdm but m sstem complaints kdm is not found. guess I should dpkg-reconfigure xserver and kde?
[17:58] <Walex> jtornero: sudo apt-get install kdm
[18:00] <jtornero> but kdm is apart from kde?
[18:00] <jtornero> anyway, going on
[18:02] <Walex> jtornero: please remember that this is #Kubuntu not #Ubuntu
[18:05] <lordievader> Err kdm? Lightdm has been the default for Kubuntu for ages.
[18:07] <Walex> lordievader: terrible mistake :-)#
[18:07] <jtornero> well guys. I must go. I really appreciate your help, and tomorrow will be more. Now kde fails to load but right now I'm seeing a graphical thing on my screen. Not functional at all but i see light
[18:09] <kyfella> anyone know a good channel to discuss pasword cracking?
[18:09] <lordievader> kyfella: Likely not on Freenode as it is in most cases illegal.
[18:10] <kyfella> other than Freenode?
[18:10] <kyfella> I have a legit reason for what I am asking.  It is part of an investigation
[18:10] <lordievader> !coc
[18:11] <kyfella> anyone else have an idea?  coc's don't help what I need
[18:11] <lordievader> kyfella: That wasn't the point of the Coc...
[18:12] <kyfella> well, lordie, might it be approperate if your going to throw a link out there, to actually enlighten one as to why your doing it?
[18:13] <sgclark> kyfella: to sum up, I highly doubt anyone can/will assist opn the topic you are asking, because of the CoC
[18:14] <kyfella> so what your saying is, noone here has any knowledge or brains of the subject?
[18:14] <sgclark> that is not what I am saying, I am saying they can't if they signed the CoC which most of has.
[18:15] <kyfella> I love how people throw policies out there in front of them to actually prevent sharing knowlege, of which is the whole reason why linux exists
[18:15] <kyfella> I think the real reason here, extends beyond coc
[18:16] <kyfella> anyhow, thanks for not aiding a real question
[18:17] <lordievader> kyfella: If you actually read the Coc you would understand why we react the way we react.
[18:19] <BluesKaj> kyfella, give it up, nobody is going to help you legit or not ...this an banable offence for users and support on freenode ...go somewhere else
[18:19] <BluesKaj> a bannable offence rather
[18:21] <kyfella> you know, my life revolves around more than IRC.    I asked for simple help.  You and your coherts here apparently don't know the information, so why can't you just say that?
[18:22] <kyfella> pardon my direct nature here, but i think this extends beyond coc
[18:24] <BluesKaj> kyfella, whether we know or not is immaterial, it' against the rules...period this is as far as it extends..and the result is anyone who helps with suchg request will get banned not just you
[18:25] <BluesKaj> so enough
[18:25] <kyfella> 01011001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01100111 01110101 01111001 01110011 00100000 01100001 01110010 01100101 00100000 01100110 01110101 01100011 01101011 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01101101 01101111 01110010 01101111 01101110 01110011
[18:59] <scherenhaenden> hi everybody... id need some help trying to install/get woorking a pci usb 3.0 card
[19:00] <BluesKaj> scherenhaenden, usb or pci ?
[19:19] <aljosa> I've added "apple wireless keyboard" and used it w/o problems, put computer to sleep and after that it's not working anymore. i'm getting "apple wireless keyboard is requesting access to this computer" and i'm clicking "trust and authorize" but nothing changes - it's not working anymore.
[19:42] <mokush> Riddell: any change you could add sddm to the backports ppa? the guys fixed the sddm-helper huge memory usage issue: https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/297#event-189506223
[20:13] <memphisto> Hi to all
[20:15] <memphisto> I'm using kubunut 14.04.1 and trying to mount luks encrypted hdd with dolphin
[20:15] <memphisto> error i get is An unspecified error has occurred: No such interface 'org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Filesystem' on object at path /org/freedesktop/UDisks2/block_devices/dm_2d0
[20:16] <memphisto> running udisksctl dump shows the device is there
[20:33] <memphisto> it seems that dolphin didn't recofnized my external, encrypted hdd at all
[20:34] <memphisto> this dm_2d0, now that i've double checked is my internall hdd, which is also encrypted
[20:36] <memphisto> have anyone faced same issue?
[20:37] <memphisto> *has
[21:18] <scherenhaenden> BluesKaj:  pci
[21:19] <scherenhaenden> sorry had a few things to do... but how ive said... i bought a pci card... USB 3.0... not way to make it work
[22:18] <MichaelHabib> hi, is it normal for xorg to use  1.6GB ram ?\
[22:19] <MichaelHabib> I have many windows open (~40windows) but is 1.6gb for that too much ?
[22:22] <bprompt> MichaelHabib:    not sure.. .my Xorg process shows 22mbs
[22:23] <MichaelHabib> woo
[22:23] <MichaelHabib> how many windows U have open
[22:24] <MichaelHabib> I have the 40 windows spread out on few activites so could be that is using more ram ?
[22:24] <bprompt> MichaelHabib:     have 3 browsers.... one with 3 tabs, other with 5 tabs, and other with 1 tab.... and an IDE..... hmm about 9 windows
[22:25] <MichaelHabib> does each browser tab add to the xorg usage
[22:25] <bprompt> MichaelHabib:    does it show as a subprocess of xorg.? no
[22:30] <scherenhaenden> does know someone here something about this pci to usb 3.0 cards?
[23:47] <Waffl3x> what are the commands to update
[23:55] <valorie> Waffl3x: how do you usually update?
[23:55] <Waffl3x> I dont remember
[23:55] <valorie> in muon, in the cli, or what?
[23:55] <Fritigern> Waffl3x: sudo apt-full-upgrade
[23:55] <Fritigern> Oops.... sudo apt full-upgrade
[23:56] <valorie> upgrading and updating are different
[23:56] <Waffl3x> k thanks
[23:56] <valorie> one always updates first
[23:56] <valorie> then upgrade
[23:56] <Fritigern> Or, if you wanted to upgrade from 14:04 to 14:10  do-release-upgrade
[23:56] <valorie> but Waffl3x, what are you wanting to update?
[23:56] <Fritigern> valorie is right
[23:57] <valorie> best to be precise about what you want
[23:57] <Waffl3x> flash
[23:58] <Waffl3x> do facebook games generally not work?
[23:58] <valorie> ah, I don't ever play on FB
[23:58] <valorie> you might need pepper-flash
[23:58] <valorie> !flash
[23:58] <valorie> !info pepper-flash
[23:58] <Fritigern> Or install chrome or chromium
[23:59] <valorie> pfff, what is it called
[23:59] <Unit193> !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[23:59] <valorie> woah, that one's a mouthful
[23:59] <valorie> thanks, Unit193
[23:59] <Unit193> Sure.


[06:11] <Myrtti> I do love Herbamare on eggs, but I don't think it really goes that well with tea
[06:11] <Myrtti> ... *grumblegrumble* morning
[06:43] <MartijnVdS> \o Myrtti
[07:19] <shauno> so here's a fun one.  I want to vpn at layer 2 between two linux machines.  any suggestions where to even start looking?
[07:32] <mungbean> sounds complicated.
[07:33] <MartijnVdS> shauno: openvpn with "tap" interfaces
[07:33] <mungbean> layer2? i thought that would involve the networking hardware in betwen too?
[07:34] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: nah, layer 2 just means "ethernet segment", so you can bridge an TAP device (vpn) and a real internet interface, and boom, 1 big ethernet :)
[07:34] <MartijnVdS> shauno: ssh can do it too, but I never tried that, and it isn't well-integrated into Ubuntu packaging
[07:35] <MartijnVdS> shauno: I actually have an almost-finished HOWTO-like blog post for that
[07:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> just nail up a stunnel?
[07:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ah sorry - you want a bridged connection.
[07:40]  * TheOpenSourcerer goes away to get moar coffeee
[07:43] <shauno> sorry, googling to catch up :)  openvpn with tap sounds like it solves exactly why I didn't just go to openvpn in the first place
[07:44] <shauno> and yeah, going for "one big ethernet" between two sites.  specifically, trying to attach a kvm instance in one building, to a switch that's located in another.  and trying to avoid the sensible solution (vlans) because I'll grow old and die before anyone ever signs it off
[07:45] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Just finishing up the blog post, 1 sec
[07:46] <shauno> oh no rush, I have a lot of peices to put together before this goes anywhere
[07:47] <MartijnVdS> shauno: it was almost done anyway :)
[07:47] <MartijnVdS> shauno: http://blog.vandestreek.net/2013/09/bridging-internet-with-openvpn.html (beta! might still contain some bad grammar)
[07:48] <shauno> after 7 years in Ireland, I have no idea what grammar is anymore :/
[07:49] <popey> Morning
[07:50] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[07:50] <MartijnVdS> popey: how's Los Santos treating you? :)
[07:51] <popey> I don't have it yet
[07:52] <MartijnVdS> popey: oh, I thought you were installing it yesterday
[07:52] <popey> no, pondering
[07:52] <popey> but that was impatience at work
[07:52] <mungbean> so a new video card costs more than a ps3/xbox360?
[07:52] <popey> I want to wait for pc version because I am no good at FPS with a controller
[07:52] <popey> mouse + WASD for me
[07:53] <mungbean> i think i'm the opposite
[07:53] <popey> i find myself looking around the place all the time
[07:53] <popey> can't look and walk at the same time
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> popey: auto-aim helps me a lot in those cases, but I see your poin
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> t
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> popey: I tried Portal 2 on the PS3.. it was a lot harder than the PC version
[07:54] <shauno> I'm just terrible at fps.  a controller with 500 buttons would be a welcome excuse
[07:54] <mungbean> gta5 isn't like a doom fps though
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: no, like I said, auto-aim helps
[07:55] <MartijnVdS> it's more third-person than first-person
[07:55] <popey> true
[07:55] <popey> Stop it!
[07:55] <popey> ☻
[07:55] <mungbean> http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-09/why-were-shutting-our-comments
[07:56] <mungbean>  And because comments sections tend to be a grotesque reflection of the media culture surrounding them, the cynical work of undermining bedrock scientific doctrine is now being done beneath our own stories, within a website devoted to championing science.
[07:56] <kecskebak> Of course, you never hear many reviews of second person shooters.  When i was poking in the BIOS I found a setting which let me set the behaviour of the power LED when suspended. Before it was set to "Offensively blink blue" but there was an option for "dual colour LED" which I chose
[08:04] <popey> my PC doesn't have a dual colour LED, so it just turned the light off
[08:04] <popey> which was much better
[08:05] <MartijnVdS> but how do you distinguish between off and suspended?
[08:06] <popey> I dont care ☻
[08:06] <popey> both mean I have to press the power button to make it useful
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> \o/ modern tech
[08:06] <bigcalm> I pressed a key on my wired keyboard and the machine woke up
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: the "Any" key?
[08:07] <bigcalm> It's a good thing that the cat didn't walk over it in the night
[08:07] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: that's the one!
[08:13] <mungbean> what do people think about http://www.reddit.com/r/GrandTheftAutoV/comments/1mx8a6/so_i_might_have_found_why_its_so_hard_to_make/
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: That's for the on-line part, not the "off-line" campaign part
[08:15] <mungbean> even still
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> it's a trend in the entire gaming industry to find extra ways to get people to pay
[08:16] <mungbean> twice
[08:16] <MartijnVdS> "extra"
[08:16] <MartijnVdS> because you could buy those cards more than once, presumably
[08:29]  * Laney stabs freshers week
[08:30] <Laney> idiots screaming while walking down the road all night
[08:30] <Laney> last group was at 7am
[08:31] <mungbean> dodge the piles of puke too
[08:42] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Comic Book Day! :-D
[08:43] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: marvel or dc?
[08:43] <mungbean> you know those key code lockey locks - do you have to take the back off to change the code?
[08:43] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, YES!
[08:43] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: key code locks?
[08:44] <mungbean> door entry system
[08:44] <mungbean> manual/mechanical ones
[08:48] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: http://keylessentrylocks.com/images/KeylessEntryLocks-product-surfacemount/2500.jpg ?
[08:50] <mungbean> yeah, i'm worried you need to do this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZj4zCIWxZE
[08:51] <GentileBen> MartijnVdS, you watching the game tonight?
[08:53] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning brobostigon - did I read on FB correctly the other day that congratulations are in order?
[09:01] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: you did, yes.
[09:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D Congratulations!
[09:02] <mungbean> FB? i thought thats what irc was for, nullify facebook/twitter for the geeks
[09:02] <brobostigon> thank you TheOpenSourcerer :D
[09:11] <brobostigon> and i found her yesterday looking for rings already, and heres me thinking theres no rush.
[09:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[09:13]  * popey avoided that by buying the ring up front ☻
[09:15] <brobostigon> good plan, yes.
[09:16] <mungbean> i bought haribo ring
[09:16]  * brobostigon makes a note, show her how to read his bcd binary clock.
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> bcd, not "real" binary? :)
[09:17] <Myrtti> I avoided that by using a jubilee clip
[09:17] <mungbean> when you are sick is it better to watch a) film you haven't seen before 2) a feel good film 3) a depressing film
[09:17] <Myrtti> and then getting custom made
[09:17] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i have both batman. but the bcd one will be easier for her to grasp initially.
[09:17] <popey> mungbean: depends if you're going to fall asleep
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: agreed
[09:17] <mungbean> not gonna sleep
[09:18] <mungbean> not feeling too bad but in quearantine
[09:18] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: agreed.
[09:19] <mungbean> i might watch spooks series 4 as its still in the shrink wrap
[09:32]  * xnox hates flash, my youtube video is out of sync with audio Argh.
[09:33] <brobostigon> tried html5?
[09:44] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:50] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[09:50] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:50] <brobostigon> tab fail, sorry/
[09:55] <MooDoo> :)
[09:56] <brobostigon> :)
[09:57] <directhex> popey, mmmmm... off the top of my head Defender's Quest uses Air. Lume uses Flash but not Air iirc
[09:57] <SuperMatt> man, the more I look in to btrfs, the more I want to use it
[09:57] <SuperMatt> epsecially apt-btrs-snapshot
[10:00] <popey> directhex: been talking to a developer who is making a game using air, offered to help test on Linux because he's only targetting windows/mac for now and mobile later
[10:01] <directhex> popey, i'd get him to talk to the defender's quest guy for tips on air bundling
[10:01] <popey> thanks!
[10:03] <popey> http://www.defendersquest.com/linux.html
[10:03] <popey> scary looking
[10:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:09] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:11] <popey> holy freole! have you seen the specs of the new kindle fire?
[10:11] <popey> 1920x1200 in a 7" screen
[10:11] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mucka, hows life, how's the photo's and did you try that bit of software?
[10:12] <popey> 8.9" is 2560x1600
[10:12] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:12] <bigcalm> davmor2: do you still use your Xoom?
[10:12] <popey> quad core snapdragon at 2.2Ghz
[10:12] <mgdm> popey: what? Blimey
[10:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: I do
[10:12] <MooDoo> davmor2: no not had chance yet, just using photoshop for the moment as I have a license for it....use ubuntu for most everything else though
[10:12] <mgdm> popey: what's the new N7? That's 1920x1080 IIRC?
[10:12] <popey> no idea
[10:13] <bigcalm> davmor2: have you come to terms with it being stuck on 4.1.2 forever more, or have you tried to put something like CyanogenMod on it?
[10:13] <diddledan_> mgdm, 1920x1200 I believe
[10:13] <MooDoo> cyanogenmod ftw o/ bigcalm did my s3 last week :D
[10:13] <popey> blimey, they have remote support built in too
[10:14] <mgdm> diddledan_: ah, cool. I'm going to get one 'eventually'
[10:14] <davmor2> bigcalm: I don't really care it does what I need it to.  All I want is social networking, youtube and web browsing I tend you use Ubuntu for everything else :)
[10:14] <MooDoo> davmor2: i want to get ubuntu touch on my s3, but it's not that complete yet
[10:14] <bigcalm> I'm a fan of mods, but won't put it on my S3 until my contract expires next year. I'm trying to put CM on to my Xoom, but it's failing to boot the recovery image
[10:15] <popey> mgdm: yes, seems it is, 1920x1200
[10:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: as I understand it you have to leap through some hoops to get cm on a xoom due to motorola locking down the kernel and binaries and bootloader hence goin gfor the ged rather than the CM  I might try it at some point though
[10:17] <bigcalm> davmor2: I've managed to GED it, but found out that 4.1.2 is where it stops
[10:17] <davmor2> yeap
[10:18] <davmor2> bigcalm: the daft thing with Motorola is they will do just that, it was one of the things I hated about them, However I just don't care anymore :D
[10:18] <bigcalm> Fair enough :)
[10:19] <bigcalm> My next challange is to get a USB webcam to work with the tablet
[10:19] <bigcalm> But I have a feeling that will only happen if I can mod it
[10:22] <mungbean> know anyone who wants a SAN? around 300TB of disk in 2 racks
[10:22] <mungbean> i know someone who wants to offload it
[10:22] <bigcalm> I bet I know somebody at our LUG would would
[10:22] <bigcalm> But I also bet his wife would object
[10:26] <mungbean> 300tb not to be sniffed at
[10:26] <mungbean> sort of thing ali1234 has in his house
[10:30] <popey> i may know someone
[10:31]  * popey asks
[10:31] <popey> sort of thing sabdfl has at his house
[10:32] <mgdm> s/his house/one of his houses/
[10:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> I recall when the rest of the world was still on dial-up (v.22, v.21bis - not the fast stuff) reading about Bill Gates having *two* T1 lines into his house...
[10:32] <popey> heh
[10:32] <popey> mark has lots in his garage
[10:33] <popey> like any self respecting geek
[10:36] <mungbean> pillar axiom 500
[10:37] <davmor2> bigcalm: shhh you'll get james killed and ron shouted at ;)
[10:37] <bigcalm> :D
[10:37] <directhex> i had one of those!
[10:37] <directhex> it fell over and ate all our data ¬_¬
[10:38] <bigcalm> With no LUG or badminton this week, I have no social events to attend
[10:38] <bigcalm> Maybe I'll catch up on sleep
[10:39] <bigcalm> directhex: I can imagine a rack literally falling over. I'm sure it wouldn't be good for discs
[10:44] <davmor2> bigcalm: no your just work more hours than normal,  the social activities force you to only work 40 - 60 :D
[10:45] <bigcalm> davmor2: attending LUG only partly hampers work
[10:45] <mungbean> let me know popey , i'll put you in touch with the person who is offloading it
[10:45] <mungbean> they are london based
[10:47] <mungbean> who admins sabfls house network?
[10:48] <mungbean> isleofmandan should offer his services
[10:49] <popey> heh
[10:53] <Daviey> Indeed, he has a rack of high end ~16 servers.. 16 core, 42GB RAM IIRC.. just to 'play with' :)
[10:53] <JamesTait> Daviey, just like mine then! :-P
[10:54] <popey> chaps!
[10:55] <popey> http://geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup
[10:55] <popey> what do you get for "<city>"
[10:55] <popey> I get "None"
[10:55] <JamesTait> I get Arnold.
[10:55] <JamesTait> I am most offended.
[10:55] <popey> is that a town?

[10:55] <mungbean> thats what facebook says too
[10:55]  * mungbean is not in ilford but is on talktalk so...
[10:56] <JamesTait> It's a suburb of Nottingham, I think, technically.
[10:56] <JamesTait> Probably.
[10:56] <JamesTait> Maybe.
[10:57] <popey> thanks chaps
[10:57] <JamesTait> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold,_Nottinghamshire
[10:57] <mungbean> better than barry i suppose
[11:01] <ali1234> i also get None
[11:01] <JamesTait> It's also about 20 miles away.
[11:01] <ali1234> i live one mile away from arnold
[11:01] <mgdm> popey: I get Glasgow. Also, I recognise the format of that response, I think. :-)
[11:01] <MooDoo> I live about 3 miles from arnold
[11:01] <MooDoo> ali1234: where are you?
[11:02] <ali1234> just off mansfield road
[11:02] <popey> ali1234: you on virgin?
[11:02] <JamesTait> I live in Mickleover, on the west of Derby.
[11:02] <ali1234> no
[11:02] <popey> ok
[11:02] <popey> ta
[11:03] <Laney> popey: I get None
[11:03] <mungbean> JamesTait: you like the rolling stones then?
[11:03] <mungbean> mick lover
[11:07] <bigcalm> On VM, I get none
[11:07] <mungbean> youtube keeps showing me the GB feed. which is not very GB like. #britishproblems
[11:07] <Daviey> popey: I get Manchster :)
[11:08] <Daviey> (spelt correctly tho)
[11:12] <JamesTait> Well played, mungbean. :)
[11:14] <mungbean> awww.thought it was too good to be true..http://www.snopes.com/photos/people/cinderella.asp
[11:15] <mungbean> don't have the heart to tell the person on facebook
[11:16] <popey> mungbean: no interest from my friend
[11:20] <mungbean> ok cheers for the update
[11:26] <popey> MartijnVdS: this outlines why I'd like GTAV http://imgur.com/24mOPlx
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> popey: selfies?:t )
[11:26] <popey> ya
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> popey: if you add me on http://socialclub.rockstargames.com you can see mine :)
[11:43] <czajkowski> http://www.meetup.com/London-MongoDB-User-Group/events/140769722/  Might be useful to some people
[11:51] <ali1234> rocketbirds is working on steam now
[11:53]  * AlanBell is a bit frustrated with MIME
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: what about it?
[11:54] <AlanBell> so I am trying to display an email on a web page
[11:54] <AlanBell> like a webmail thing would do
[11:54] <AlanBell> this is astonishingly hard to do right
[11:55] <ali1234> what part?
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: it is. Webmail clients try *very* hard to do this securely as well
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> you can't just put the HTML from the email on the site verbatim, it might contain naughtiness
[11:56] <mgdm> AlanBell: could you rip it from something else? (like Roundcube or similar?)
[11:57] <AlanBell> so there is a text/html part and a text/plain part, there might be multipart/related bits with images that I can display, but they need to go in bits like
[11:57] <AlanBell> <img id="_x0000_i1025"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>alt="Description: sprs-email-logo" height="41" border="0" width="185">
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: you need to build an in-memory "directory tree" of the MIME document
[11:57] <AlanBell> the cid: bit of the URL references the image attached in another mime bit
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: (and it sub-documents)
[11:57] <AlanBell> yeah, there are libraries to parse mime into a tree, done that bit
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> also to view HTML mail securely (XSS-proof, etc.)?
[11:58] <AlanBell> mgdm: I had a look at roundcube source, couldn't find the right bit
[11:58] <AlanBell> yeah, XSS fixing, CSS fixing and other stuff needs to happen
[11:59] <AlanBell> and delayed retrieval of remote <img> tags would be nice
[11:59] <AlanBell> I just don't get why there isn't a library that just does it
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: put it in an IMAP box, fire up roundcube to talk to it?
[12:12] <GentileBen> AlanBell, my Welsh friend.
[12:15]  * AlanBell is not Welsh :)
[12:15] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: actually, there might be some extractable libraries in roundcube
[12:17] <GentileBen> AlanBell: then all is lost.
[12:17] <AlanBell> I like leeks if that is any help?
[12:17] <GentileBen> AlanBell: now there is hope.
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> GentileBen: There is.. another
[13:05] <bigcalm> ARGH
[13:05] <bigcalm> Dash is appearing behind windows again
[13:19] <Myrtti> ah, sleet
[13:19] <Myrtti> time to pull out my camera
[13:30] <diddledan_> bigcalm, your problem is you're using windows :-p
[13:31] <bigcalm> ¬.¬
[13:32] <bigcalm> windows not Windows :P
[13:32] <diddledan_> :-p
[14:12] <mungbean> whats a approx figure to replace a couple of missing tiles on a standard london terrace house?
[14:39] <diddledan_> mungbean, for a couple, I would guess 2? </troll>
[14:39] <mungbean> :P
[14:40] <davmor2> mungbean: 42 everything is 42 in the end
[14:40] <mungbean> seems difficult to get tradesmen to do work nowadays
[14:40] <mungbean> anyone got any genuine idea?
[14:40] <popey> we had a tile replaced
[14:40] <popey> after one of our double glazed windows fell out in my hand
[14:40] <popey> (baby in other hand)
[14:40] <diddledan_> I'd ask my brother what he thinks but I don't know if he'll respond while he should be working - he's a sparky though so might not know the costs
[14:40] <popey> that was alarming
[14:41] <diddledan_> popey, clever
[14:41] <popey> indeed
[14:41] <davmor2> mungbean: being as it is in London, and being as you have to fork out London Tax for parts and then London Tax for workmen, LOTS!
[14:41] <daftykins> i had a couple of cracked kitchen floor tiles replaced for maybe £70 including the guy finding the tiles
[14:41] <diddledan_> popey, at least it wasn't "after one of our babies fell out of my hand"
[14:41] <daftykins> i then later found a stash of spare tiles up in the loft =|
[14:41] <daftykins> from the previous owner
[14:41] <daftykins> DOH
[14:42] <diddledan_> London sucks
[14:42] <daftykins> London tax? 0o
[14:42] <mungbean> i'll look in loft for tiles...but tiles are cheap
[14:42] <mungbean> its paying the man to climb up a ladder and the insuranceliability
[14:43] <diddledan_> daftykins, you don't know about the LondonTax?
[14:43] <daftykins> no sir
[14:43] <daftykins> i am not a mainlander thus i do not concern myself much with mainlander matters
[14:43] <diddledan_> daftykins, basically you add 20% onto everything you buy
[14:43] <daftykins> but that's just VAT? 0o
[14:43] <diddledan_> nope, in addition to VAT
[14:44] <daftykins> whaaaat?
[14:44] <daftykins> that sounds weird as
[14:44] <diddledan_> if you work in london you also get extra pay to supposedly cover the london tax
[14:44] <mungbean> can you call a man in from hertfordshire?
[14:45] <diddledan_> mungbean, depends whether I know him or not :-p
[14:45] <daftykins> i used checkatrade numbers a lot whilst fixing my portsmouth place up
[14:45] <daftykins> very handy
[14:46] <mungbean> cheers
[14:46] <popey> our neighbours get men+van from wales whenever they have work done
[14:46] <davmor2> daftykins: I used to work for a builders Merchant in wolverhampton.  We would often get calls to deliver to London, we would tell them that there would be a full fuel cost and cost of a driver per vehicle and some people would still order from us as it was cheaper than buying from a london builders merchant if that gives you a clue
[14:46] <popey> cheaper to get them in from wales and do the work
[14:46] <daftykins> davmor2: D:
[14:46] <mungbean> my mums neighbour has got them from romania
[14:46] <daftykins> XD
[14:46] <mungbean> but they only really use hammers
[14:47] <mungbean> even to build a driveway, none of the right tools
[14:47] <diddledan_> I like using a hammer to mend soldered joints on my raspberry pi
[14:48] <diddledan_> ok I lie, but it would be interesting
[14:48] <mungbean> checkatrade seems sparse in n london
[14:48] <diddledan_> note to self, buy a hammer
[14:48] <daftykins> please put diddledan under said driveway
[14:48] <daftykins> :>
[14:49] <mungbean> whats the name of someone who does roof tiles? roofer is more a roof builder surely
[14:51] <diddledan_> roofing manager
[14:51] <davmor2> daftykins: Oh and don't forget London tax applies to everything, so the cost of the people the cost of the parts, the cost of the fuel, plus if you are really unlucky the cost of the emissions charge and your man spending 2 hours looking for somewhere to park the van
[14:52] <daftykins> why does anyone live in London again? :D
[14:52] <mungbean> my mums fault
[14:52] <mungbean> gave birth to me
[14:52] <shauno> damned fine question
[14:52] <BigRedS> 'cause London is brilliant
[14:52] <shauno> I can only assume people move to london because the release parties are there ;)
[14:52] <popey> Briliaaaaaaaaaant
[14:53] <popey> shauno: correlation != causation
[14:53] <mgdm> I have only ever been in London for a few days at a time
[14:53] <mgdm> I was there on Tuesday
[14:53] <davmor2> daftykins: because the cost of living being higher means the wages are too :)
[14:53]  * xnox sings "You wanna piece of me?!"
[14:54] <mgdm> always quite pleased to return to a sensibleplace
[14:54] <xnox> so badly want to get tickets for that Vegas show =)
[14:54] <shauno> got me thinking, I really should print out a t-shirt with a "winkie face" on it
[14:55] <diddledan_> shauno, pervert
[14:55] <mungbean> i live in the london suburbs, so i get the worst of both worlds
[14:55] <mungbean> expensive but none of the fun
[14:55] <davmor2> haha
[14:56] <shauno> diddledan_: I was actually just thinking it'd have to be the emoticon variant, a big yellow smiley winking would come off all wrong.  but you already went there :/
[15:03] <diddledan_> shauno, you were the one that mentioned winkies
[15:04] <daftykins> guys =/
[15:05] <diddledan_> daftykins, pretend it says dinkies then remember that small cars used to be called dinkietoys
[15:05] <daftykins> dunno you're kinda dragging the channel down :P
[15:05] <shauno> I actually know that term as the 'wink' variant of smiley.  the internet's just set me straight :/
[15:06] <daftykins> fwiw i would've known what you meant :(
[15:06] <diddledan_> shauno, how long have you known me and yet still only just found that out?!
[15:09] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wee_Willie_Winkie
[15:10] <daftykins> heh
[15:10] <daftykins> i recall that name
[15:10] <daftykins> promoting childrens libraries? by saying a child in a nightgown will come and search your windows to see if you're reading? D:
[15:10] <ali1234> what makes you think he is a child?
[15:10] <ali1234> i think he's a tiny old man, personally
[15:10] <ali1234> i mean he's got white hair
[15:11] <daftykins> could be anything!
[15:12] <diddledan_> I'm not mentioning the obvious connotation of an old man peeking in children's windows
[15:12] <mungbean> bfg?
[15:12] <mungbean> rolf harris?
[15:12] <mungbean> allegedly
[15:12] <mungbean> :'(
[15:13] <bigcalm> Little off topic now?
[15:14] <daftykins> bigcalm: that's when this channel is at its' best
[15:14] <daftykins> Rolf could never do any harm. he does nothing but sit in his armchair at home with his wobble board leaning up beside him
[15:16] <SuperMatt> what's the latest news on his charges right now?
[15:16] <diddledan_> I'm not going to mention rolf's "wobble board" it sounds too perverted when I say it
[15:16] <daftykins> i'm not sure, lets see what the intertubes have to share
[15:17] <daftykins> diddledan_: you could make anything sound so :(
[15:17] <diddledan_> daftykins, bingo!
[15:17] <daftykins> SuperMatt: i think court is just in progress atm
[15:20] <daftykins> SuperMatt: ah, bailed for a fortnight
[15:21] <SuperMatt> well, that's enough to say there is definitely a lot of smoke, but the jury is still out (literally) on the fire
[15:21] <daftykins> yeah
[15:22] <daftykins> i see it as almost sensationalist 'fashion' at the moment to target all these old stars
[15:22] <SuperMatt> well
[15:22] <SuperMatt> the older stars are more likely to have been involved in such a scandle, unfortunately.
[15:22] <diddledan_> I really hope rolf is innocent
[15:22] <SuperMatt> just the way the world was back then
[15:24]  * SuperMatt hopes bug 1228302 gets fixed before saucy is frozen.
[15:24] <lubotu3`> bug 1228302 in btrfs-tools (Ubuntu) "btrfs-convert does not work (unable to open ctree)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1228302
[15:24] <SuperMatt> it'd be a shame to miss out on in because I'm itching to convert some filesystems
[15:54] <davmor2> SuperMatt: just pick on popey till it is, he is afterall btrfs champion :D
[15:56] <diddledan_> mmm btr
[16:01] <SuperMatt> I don't know why people call it butter fs, when clearly it should be better fs
[16:01] <daftykins> haha
[16:02] <SuperMatt> but seriously, I've been playing with btrfs and lxc and as a combination they are *deadly*
[16:03] <SuperMatt> I say deadly, I mean a neat little way of containerising your services
[16:03] <SuperMatt> but I'm beginning to see why I should have btrfs at home
[16:03] <SuperMatt> it's super easy to add disks in to an array
[16:04] <daftykins> does it have any advantages over EXT4 for single disk systems?
[16:04] <SuperMatt> weeeeelll
[16:04] <SuperMatt> there's still snapshotting
[16:04] <SuperMatt> which is good when using apt and an unstable version of your os
[16:19] <directhex> if only xvm was open source
[16:32] <ali1234> what is "skype-mid"?
[16:32] <ali1234> !info skype-mid
[16:32] <lubotu3`> Package skype-mid does not exist in quantal
[16:32] <ali1234> lies. it is in the partner repo
[16:33] <ali1234> "skype for MIDs" - i assume that means mobile internet devices
[16:47] <ali1234> how do i stop v4l device nodes from shuffling around?
[16:48] <davmor2> ali1234: only have one device?
[16:48] <ali1234> no i have two and one of them is usb
[16:48] <ali1234> actually same problem with its audio source
[16:49] <davmor2> I don't think there is a way to stop it, iirc they are just picked up by the system at run time
[16:49] <popey> hehe /116
[16:49] <popey> er
[16:50] <popey> http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/
[16:50] <popey> 10 mins!
[16:55] <diddledan_> time to wander
[16:58] <DJones> !alisIs there an easy method to join about 10 quicktime .mov files into s ingle video file
[16:58] <lubotu3`> DJones: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[16:58] <DJones> Is there an easy method to join about 10 quicktime .mov files into s ingle video file
[16:58] <mgdm> DJones: ffmpeg or mencoder can probably do it
[16:59] <DJones> Thanks, I'll give them a look
[17:33] <ali1234> so [O  ] is "steam machines" (not steambox, i'm glad they didn't call it that)
[17:34] <ali1234> what does everyone think O+O is?
[17:34] <directhex> joypad?
[17:34] <directhex> it could be dual analogue sticks and a d-pad
[17:35] <ali1234> could be
[17:35] <ali1234> but i think the O is steamOS
[17:36] <directhex> in general, yes... but regardless, i think friday they announce the joypad.
[17:36] <ali1234> that's a bit of a weak thing to announce third
[17:37] <ali1234> "murder, arson, and jaywalking..."
[17:38] <directhex> mmmmmmmmm....... see, the thing is, the input device is critical to defining a games system
[17:38] <directhex> i mean, consider the wii if they hadn't bothered talking about the wiimote
[17:38] <ali1234> "yeah so we made this console and you're not gonna believe this... but... it has a controller!"
[17:38] <directhex> it'
[17:38] <directhex> bah
[17:38] <directhex> it's something people get worked up over
[17:39] <davmor2> ali1234: they missed a trick should of been called steam engines :D
[17:39] <directhex> look at how people reacted to the ps3's prototype "boomerang" controller
[17:39] <ali1234> haha i totally forgot about that
[17:39] <ali1234> also the HUGEEEEE xbox controller thing
[17:40] <ali1234> but it's pretty much guaranteed that the steam controller will be very very similar to the xbox one
[17:40] <directhex> probably
[17:41] <directhex> but even then, there's room for variation
[17:41] <ali1234> the configuration screens in big picture already exist
[17:41] <directhex> the ouya pad sucks compared to the 360, for example
[17:41] <ali1234> and loads of games use it
[17:41] <ali1234> it's built in to SDL... the button definitions i mean
[17:41] <directhex> loads of games use the 360 pad, since MS made it standard for Games For Windows
[17:41] <ali1234> obviously the physical shape is up for modification
[17:41] <ali1234> yeah valve has now made it a standard in SDL too
[17:42] <ali1234> instead of probing every axis and every button on the joystick you get a joypad object, it has the same buttons as an xbox pad
[17:42] <ali1234> you configure the mapping once in steam and then it works in "all" games
[17:43] <directhex> there's scope for change though
[17:43] <ali1234> so it's not going to be some crazy motion controller or virtual sword fighting stuff
[17:43] <directhex> e.g. a pad with something else in it
[17:43] <ali1234> O+O could be 3d goggles tho
[17:43] <directhex> like the ps4 pad has a light for use w/ ps eye camera, and a touchpad area
[17:44] <ali1234> is it generally possible to play PC games on a 3d TV?
[17:45] <directhex> no. well, no-ish
[17:45] <directhex> you can with a radeon, but most games only support nvidia 3d vision
[17:45] <directhex> or you need an unofficial 3dification driver
[17:45] <ali1234> O+O could also mean they're going to add more social features to steam. maybe a video conferencing system
[17:46] <ali1234> i notice you have to have 10 steam friends to be in the beta
[17:46] <directhex> http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/amd-hd3d/Pages/3d-desktop-graphics.aspx#4
[17:47] <ali1234> hmm so the support is already there for software
[17:47] <ali1234> if you buy the right hardware
[17:51] <ali1234> whatever it is i hope it's something really unexpected
[17:51] <directhex> oh! nvidia will sell you support for 3d tvs, if you don't want a 3d monitor
[17:51] <directhex> for $40
[17:51] <ali1234> yeah this is living room after all
[17:51] <ali1234> and likely nvidia based
[18:53] <mungbean> what was the valve announcement?
[18:54] <ali1234> steam beta hardware
[18:57] <daftykins> i.e. nothing interesting part deux
[18:58] <mgdm> nothing interesting? that's an interesting way of putting it
[18:58] <mgdm> I thought it was quite interesting
[18:58] <mgdm> and I dont' use Steam or play games
[18:59] <ali1234> yeah it's interesting i think
[18:59] <ali1234> if the next one is just the controller, that will be boring
[18:59] <daftykins> pics and details would be vaguely interesting
[19:02] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairy_ball_theorem#Application_to_computer_graphics just blew my mind
[19:03] <ali1234> i never saw it stated exactly like that before, but it makes perfect sense
[19:08] <SuperEngineer> Video games maker Valve invites members of the public to test a version of its forthcoming hardware ahead of it going on sale in 2014.
[19:08] <SuperEngineer> ...does that make it better for you daftykins ?
[19:09] <daftykins> not since you reiterated what i'd already read, no
[19:09] <daftykins> what made you think that was different?
[19:09] <SuperEngineer> boo hiss!
[19:10] <SuperEngineer> nowt - expected nothing - got nothing
[19:10] <SuperEngineer> my sympathies
[19:10] <ali1234> does anyone else read steamOS like cheerios?
[19:11] <ali1234> those little O symbols... they are steam Os
[19:12] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: they taste like cheeriOs - but more fun ;)
[19:16] <mungbean> steam hardware beta involves giving your address up front
[19:18] <mungbean> saw that fella on mock the week talking about farming simulator 2013....thought it was a joke
[19:19] <ali1234> that's actually one of the better "simulator" games
[19:19] <ali1234> there's a road sweeper simulator game...
[19:20] <daftykins> what would be a good way of sharing a terminal game for others to watch?
[19:20] <ali1234> like shell terminal?
[19:20] <daftykins> ja
[19:20] <ali1234> screen probably
[19:20] <daftykins> i was thinking that
[19:20] <ali1234> i think you can set it up in watch only mode
[19:21] <daftykins> no way to pipe one out to a telnet feed or something for view only? to avoid login
[19:21] <daftykins> oic
[19:21] <ali1234> http://superuser.com/questions/320571/a-view-only-mode-in-screen
[19:21] <ali1234> i did not read the linked howto
[19:22] <ali1234> but basically make a user, set their shell to something that runs screen with appropriate args... that's about it
[19:22] <daftykins> ty sir
[19:22] <ali1234> screen sometimes acts weird over telnet but it should be ok for read only
[19:22] <mungbean> there's a guy on youtube who plays all these weird simluar games and reviews them on youtube while he plays
[19:23] <ali1234> what game is it anyway?
[19:23] <ali1234> i didn't think there was that many terminal games... at least not ones you'd want to watch someone playing
[19:23] <mungbean> i wish i could change my steam id
[19:23] <ali1234> maybe nethack
[19:23] <mungbean> bought it off some kids when i bought halflife
[19:24] <ali1234> you can change your display name
[19:24] <mungbean> he didn't have any other games so sold me his steamid
[19:24] <mungbean> yeah, the login is a numpty one now
[19:24] <mungbean> s/now/though
[19:38] <ali1234> i think i'm losing it... i just tried to turn the sound up because the video is too dark
[19:39] <daftykins> 8D
[19:45] <mungbean> anyone seen the film "moon"? any good?
[19:45] <shauno> I liked it
[19:47] <quantumpants> evening all
[19:50] <mungbean> 5 mins in so far
[20:08] <mungbean> bit of a derivative of solaris
[20:17] <mgdm> like illumos? :P
[20:37] <mungbean> argh even the keyboard on the moon has windows key
[20:38] <bigcalm> directhex: ping
[21:04] <mungbean> http://www.videogamer.com/ps3/gta5/news/gta_online_microtransactions_range_in_price_between_1_99_and_13_49_report.html
[21:12] <mungbean> good filn ]]
[21:12] <mungbean> shauno: i liked
[21:13] <shauno> not bad is it.  just really slow if you're not expecting it
[21:13] <ali1234> **spoilers** don't you think doctor who totally ripped it off?
[21:15] <mungbean> seemed like a mash of all slow space films
[21:15] <mungbean> solaris/sunshine/etc
[21:16] <mungbean> what hasn't doctor  who ripped off ;P
[21:16] <ali1234> pretty much nothing
[21:16] <ali1234> however, it wasn't a particularly good episode (well, double pisode)
[21:17] <ali1234> like there's borrowing, then there's blatantly stealing the idea and making a poor copy
[21:18] <directhex> bigcalm, ?
[21:19] <bigcalm> directhex: I was trying to get https://code.google.com/p/monobooth/ working, but I don't know if I have the energy any more
[21:21] <ali1234> what's the problem? mono stuff usually isn't that hard
[21:23] <directhex> looks heavily windows-assumey
[21:23] <ali1234> it says it works on linux
[21:23] <directhex> e.g. the bundled windows opencv
[21:24] <ali1234> it looks like it needs a specific version of opencv tho, one that isn't in ubuntu
[21:29] <directhex> bundle of emgu cv for windows, i think
[21:32] <ali1234> it's available as a deb package
[21:32] <ali1234> from the project webpage
[21:41] <bigcalm> I've given up :)
[21:42] <dutchie> evening chaps
[21:42] <bigcalm> I either have to use a tablet or write something myself
[21:42] <bigcalm> Hi dutchie
[21:42] <dutchie> how's things?
[21:43] <bigcalm> Fantastic
[21:43] <bigcalm> How you?
[21:43] <dutchie> not too bad
[21:43] <ali1234> what's the specific use case?
[21:43] <ali1234> are you actually trying to build a photobooth for use by the public?
[21:43] <bigcalm> ali1234: photo booth for my wedding
[21:43] <dutchie> last week of work before i go on hols
[21:43] <dutchie> then back to uni
[21:44] <bigcalm> Still at uni? Last year?
[21:44] <dutchie> yeah, 4 year course
[21:45] <bigcalm> qaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAA
[21:45] <dutchie> ?
[21:45] <bigcalm> tHANKS KITTY
[21:45] <bigcalm> Thanks kitty
[21:45] <dutchie> lol
[21:48]  * bigcalm gives in and cuddles the kitty
[21:48] <bigcalm> Toodles
[21:49] <dutchie> bai
[22:02] <ali1234> ok it needs opencv mono bindings version which is not packaged
[22:02] <ali1234> not even upstream
[22:02] <ali1234> i give up
[22:04] <directhex> You are now one out of 54,279 eligible beta candidates.
[22:04] <daftykins> hah
[22:04] <daftykins> that was 30k earlier when someone else did it
[22:05] <ali1234> well you still have slightly better than 0.5% chance
[22:10] <directhex> not quite
[22:10] <directhex> 270 random, 30 selected
[22:10] <ali1234> they might select you tho
[22:10] <directhex> i mailed gaben all my best nude pics, so i'm getting into the 30
[22:10] <ali1234> they should do, you know enough about it
[22:11] <ali1234> bigcalm: what about hacking this: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtmultimedia/multimediawidgets-declarative-camera.html
[22:16] <directhex> here is a valve patent. http://www.google.com/patents/US20110105231
[22:20] <ali1234> o_O
[22:20] <ali1234> is that a trackball
[22:20] <ali1234> if so, genius
[22:21] <ali1234> that's really cool
[22:21] <ali1234> just switch from joystick to mouse mode at any time
[22:29] <popey> SuperMatt: I asked about the btrfs bug you mentioned in #btrfs, magically it's now linked to the upstream bug where there's a patch. https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62131
[22:41] <orothus> hi
[23:03] <diddledan> popey: well done chap
[23:06] <daftykins> hey guys, i just helped someone install a neat python script for uploading youtube videos
[23:06] <daftykins> he wants to be able to have it automated so he can leave it do them, but i'm wondering the best way to do that
[23:07] <daftykins> right now you specify all the user login + video option paramaters on the command line, naturally, but of course you'd want all those pre-set so you can leave a script upload all the parts to a video
[23:07] <daftykins> is there anything better than just making up a script that calls each upload command one by one?