[05:36] <robru> Mirv: I don't know if it makes sense for you, but dual silos can now have manual sources, so if you're doing the same qt packages in vivid and wily, the train can handle that in a single silo now
[05:37] <Mirv> robru: yeah I was thinking about it, it sounds really good. so far I've needed two silos for all OTA Qt fixes!
[05:37] <Mirv> robru: it's not the same packages, but same patch being applied. wily has 5.4.2, vivid 5.4.1. but I guess since I upload the manually train is fine with that?
[05:38] <robru> Mirv: yeah train won't enforce the versions matching or anything. it'll just watch the builds & do the publishing
[05:38] <Mirv> robru: the train rocks!
[05:38] <robru> Mirv: thanks. long way to go still ;-)
[05:39] <robru> Mirv: I'll be around for a bit (just playing video games). ping me if anything explodes
[05:39] <Mirv> robru: ok, have fun
[05:39] <robru> Thanks
[07:58] <Saviq> Ursinha, we don't need anything special for our qml tests these days. we run them all in xvfb so we only basically need CPU
[08:05] <seb128> hey there
[08:05] <seb128> seems like there is an issue with the uitk/rc-proposed that makes some store apps not start
[08:05] <seb128> bug #1503901
[08:05] <ubot5`> bug 1503901 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) "Authenticator app won't open with latest SDK" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503901
[08:05] <seb128> should probably be an ota7 blocker
[08:07] <seb128> Mirv, ^
[08:07] <Mirv> seb128: targeting so
[08:07] <seb128> Mirv, thanks
[08:12] <jibel> seb128, thanks for the bug, continue testing OTA7. ;)
[08:12] <seb128> jibel, yw!
[08:13] <sil2100> Blockers make me sad
[08:13] <jibel> seb128, did you reproduce it?
[08:13] <jibel> it works fine here
[08:15] <seb128> no, just tried and it works (but I don't have an active config in that app so maybe the clear state is not enough to hit the issue), but mzanetti did apparently, he is discussing in on #sdk
[08:16] <mzanetti> yes, found the issue
[08:16] <mzanetti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12712813/
[08:16] <mzanetti> here's a standalone example to repro it
[08:23] <jibel> mzanetti, it is a problem in the sdk or the app?
[08:24] <mzanetti> well, the app doesn't have the prettiest code ever in there, but nevertheless it should not crash the SDK
[08:24] <mzanetti> as this was working until now I guess it should be fixed in the sdk
[08:24] <jibel> okay
[08:25] <seb128> the code does nothing buggy/illegal
[08:25] <jibel> bzoltan_, can you look at bug 1503901
[08:25] <ubot5`> bug 1503901 in Canonical System Image "Authenticator app won't open with latest SDK" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503901
[08:25] <jibel> bzoltan_, it'll block OTA7 as it breaks existing apps
[08:27] <jibel> mzanetti, can you update the bug report with your findings please.
[08:27] <mzanetti> done
[08:27] <jibel> thanks
[08:56] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  how happy the CI train is with git repos?
[08:57] <anpok> cihelp: the krillins used by our mir-mediumtests-runner-touch are those flashed with rc-proposed images?
[08:59] <psivaa> anpok: yes,
[08:59] <psivaa> rc-proposed/ubuntu/krillin/version-299 was the latest
[08:59] <sil2100> bzoltan_: not very happy I suppose
[08:59] <sil2100> bzoltan_: it's still hard coded to bzr from what I know
[09:00]  * psivaa -> errands
[09:01] <anpok> psivaa: thx..
[09:03] <zbenjamin> sil2100: sigh :(
[09:04] <zbenjamin> sil2100: any chance this will change? Like now? :D
[09:11] <sil2100> zbenjamin: it's in the plans, yes
[09:14] <Mirv> bzoltan_: same answer as sil2100
[09:15] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  thanks
[09:30] <zbenjamin> sil2100: that would be awesome
[09:34] <seb128> jibel, oSoMoN_, shouldn't the settings from silo 49 land for ota7 if the confined webbrowser landed? (it has a fix needed to make the non click .desktop be used)
[09:35] <oSoMoN_> seb128, it would be nice to have indeed, but not essential I would say
[09:35] <seb128> oSoMoN_, well, the silo is safe and waiting for qa since monday and fix an annoying bug
[09:35] <seb128> unsure why it didn't get verified/published
[09:36] <oSoMoN_> seb128, not sure either, but it’s tagged for next milestone, that would explain why QA didn’t validate it
[09:36] <seb128> where are things "tagged"?
[09:37] <oSoMoN_> seb128, in the trello board that tracks QA’s work, and I believe the tags are assigned based on the LP milestone of the corresponding bug reports
[09:37] <seb128> where is that trello again?
[09:37] <oSoMoN_> jibel, can you confirm the above?
[09:37] <mzanetti> jibel, do you know if this is going to be included for OTA-7 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1480877
[09:37] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1480877 in location-service (Ubuntu) "Access points' "PropertiesChanged" dbus signals freeze UI on mobile devices" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[09:37] <oSoMoN_> trello.com/b/AE3swczu/silo-testing
[09:37] <seb128> thanks
[09:58] <jibel> mzanetti, the fix for network-manager is in OTA7, not sure if there is also a fix need for location-service and indiator-network
[09:59] <jibel> needed*
[10:01] <jibel> seb128, it didn't land because none of the fixes were targeted for this OTA
[10:02] <mzanetti> jibel, ah ok, great... just asking because it rendered my phone completely useless on the conference I've been the last two days
[10:02] <mzanetti> but I wasn't up to date with the very latest image either
[10:23] <Ursinha> Saviq: thank you
[10:24] <Saviq> Ursinha, basically, the only need we have there is that Jenkins runs our autopkgtests, which now run all our QML tests
[10:26] <Ursinha> Saviq: right, we were trying to understand if hardware was required for the slaves, if not it's easier
[11:25] <bzoltan_> sil2100: Mirv: the bugfix branch for #1503901 is already in silo. I have fresh archive tests, so i expect the silo to be QA ready tomorrow monring.
[11:26] <bzoltan_> mup: are you lazy or what?
[11:26] <bzoltan_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1503901
[11:26] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1503901 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) "Authenticator app won't open with latest SDK" [Critical,In progress]
[11:27] <jibel> bzoltan_, not before tomorrow morning?
[11:27] <jibel> bzoltan_, we already started regression testing and an update of uitk invalidate almost everything
[11:27] <bzoltan_> jibel: The build is ready in half an hour
[11:28] <jibel> k
[11:29] <bzoltan_> jibel:  it is a bug what was reported 2am my time. It was tagged up just 2 hours ago. I have the fix in silo already.
[11:31] <bzoltan_> jibel: popey: I could use a good list of click packages what come with even the simplest AP test to extend the UITK test plan.
[11:32] <bzoltan_> popey: I would wget the click packages, install on the device and run the AP tests if they have such
[11:32] <Mirv> bzoltan_: thanks!
[11:43] <sil2100> bzoltan_: thanks!
[11:58] <seb128> jibel, ok, should we land it still? or declare it a minor bug with the new feature and delay to next ota update?
[12:00] <rvr> popey: Are you in charge of reminders-app (Notes)?
[12:03] <popey> rvr: wassup?
[12:03] <rvr> popey: There are some missing strings in the app
[12:04] <rvr> popey: A language update would be cool
[12:05] <rvr> popey: For example, in Spanish, "close" button is presented in English. Also, the Evernote prompt at first start also has a phrase still in English.
[12:05] <rvr> popey: I think both are now translated in Launchpad
[12:06] <popey> rvr: Ok, I'll put a call out for language update, thanks rvr
[12:10] <jibel> seb128, bug 1501428? I don't think it's minor as it exposes wrong or missing information in security settings. We should try to land it and include it iun next respin but I'll defer to Pat for the final decision
[12:10] <ubot5`> bug 1501428 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "TrustStoreModel fails to expose application name for non-click app" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1501428
[12:12] <seb128> jibel, right, good ... just to know, what should be done next time to flag the silo as "should be consider for the coming ota"?
[12:12] <seb128> because I failed at that
[12:12] <seb128> IRC naging doesn't seem to be an answer either
[12:12] <seb128> (well it works, but we shouldn't rely on that)
[12:13] <jibel> seb128, add a canonical-devices-system-image task. It'll be reviewed by the project team and targeted for an ota
[12:13] <seb128> k
[12:13] <seb128> thanks
[12:14] <jibel> seb128, if it's not reviewed on time and you think it's important pinging people helps
[12:14] <jibel> seb128, the MR is not reviewed and top approved
[12:14] <jibel> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/lp1501428/+merge/273066
[12:16] <seb128> jibel, that's not in the landing/silo?
[12:16] <seb128> jibel, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/452
[12:17] <seb128> jibel, we wanted to land the safe/simpler version of the fix which is in the silo for that ota and review/land Ken's change for next one
[12:18] <jibel> seb128, right, sorry, I was checking the ones attached to the bug
[13:33] <jibel> pmcgowan, what do you think about landing silo 49 in OTA7? it contains a fix for bug 1501428 ie the item is blank for the webbrowser in security settings.
[13:33] <ubot5`> bug 1501428 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "TrustStoreModel fails to expose application name for non-click app" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1501428
[13:33] <jibel> pmcgowan, other fixes in the silo are minor and low risk
[13:34] <pmcgowan> looking
[13:35] <jibel> we blocked ota6 for a similar issue with the camera
[13:38] <pmcgowan> jibel, yes looks good to me
[13:38] <pmcgowan> fall out of previous landing
[13:38] <pmcgowan> I will tag the other bugs too
[13:41] <mzanetti> pmcgowan, I think we want to fix this too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-system-compositor/+bug/1502145
[13:41] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1502145 in unity-system-compositor (Ubuntu) "rc-proposed r140, krillin: screen does not blank after timeout expires" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:45] <pmcgowan> mzanetti, but there is no fix there :(
[13:45] <pmcgowan> is that a recent regression I assume?
[14:07] <pmcgowan> mzanetti, ?
[14:09] <mzanetti> pmcgowan, no, no fix yet, but the issue is quite critical IMHO
[14:10] <pmcgowan> mzanetti, and it can be reproduced?
[14:11] <mzanetti> pmcgowan, my krilling here seems to turn itself on all the time and never turn off again
[14:11] <pmcgowan> just krillin or do we know
[14:11] <pmcgowan> I am not seeing on mx4
[14:12] <mzanetti> I'll try repro with something else
[14:18] <ChrisTownsend> trainguards: Hi, we no longer need https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/401 since the change in that silo was merged in a different request yesterday.  Do I just click "Abandon" to get rid of it?
[14:19] <sil2100> ChrisTownsend: yes, should be enough :)
[14:19] <ChrisTownsend> sil2100: Ok, thanks
[14:19] <sil2100> jibel, davmor2, rvr: is ubuntu/landing-023 in the queue to land?
[14:19] <sil2100> Since it's UITK so I suppose it's good to land this ASAP, right?
[14:20] <jibel> sil2100, not marked ready for QA but we will take it
[14:20] <sil2100> Ah, right, it's QA Required still
[14:20] <sil2100> bzoltan_: piing
[14:22] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  tell me
[14:22] <sil2100> bzoltan_: how's silo 23 going? Ready for QA sign-off soon?
[14:23] <bzoltan_> sil2100: Hmm... do you guys want me to run a real UITK Test Plan? That takes ~24h. The archive test to compare the silo tests with I have started 10 hours ago and in few hours it is ready... teh base
[14:24] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  but the build is there, I ca do sanity check on it... but that is not a proper UITK test plan
[14:24] <sil2100> jibel: ^ what does QA think? How much testing would you like on that one?
[14:25] <bzoltan_> sil2100: jibel: the change compate to the released version is subzero
[14:25] <bzoltan_> sil2100: jibel: it is a cherry pick landiing with few lines of code change
[14:27] <jibel> bzoltan_, what is the risk of potential regression introduced by this change?
[14:31] <bzoltan_> jibel: less then any landing before... check the diff, it is super minimal.
[14:32] <jibel> bzoltan_, I saw the diff but what is the impact on the rest of the toolkit? to target testing around this area instead of re-running things that are not impacted at all
[14:32] <bzoltan_> jibel: I do the test plan anyway tonight .. so I will tell in the morning if I find something. But I would suggest to proceed with this version
[15:20] <greyback> lol at citrain page with JS disabled
[15:27] <anpok> hehe
[15:32] <mzanetti> pmcgowan, so far no luck reproducing on mako.. still happening on my krillin all the time
[15:35] <pmcgowan> mzanetti, how do you trigger it?
[15:36] <mzanetti> pmcgowan, I don't do anything special... I just upgraded to the latest rc-proposed last night and it happens
[15:38] <pmcgowan> jibel, ^
[15:39] <mzanetti> faenil reported this on monday already... I just didn't upgrade earlier because I was travelling
[15:47] <Saviq> sil2100, hey, do you know what's the status of dbgsym packages in PPAs? I read somewhere LP supports publishing those now, but has to be enabled? could we enable in silos and overlay?
[15:48] <sil2100> Saviq: the overlay has those enabled IIRC
[15:48] <sil2100> Not sure about silos tho
[15:50] <Saviq> sil2100, hmm I wonder, wouldn't it mean train has to copy them actively from silos?
[15:50] <Saviq> sil2100, like, overlay can only have them if it builds itself, when copied, they have to be there in silos in the first place?
[15:52] <Saviq> sil2100, oh, silos do have them, but maybe not in the archive? apt can't see them fwiw
[15:53] <sil2100> Saviq: http://ppa.launchpad.net/ci-train-ppa-service/stable-phone-overlay/ubuntu/dists/vivid/main/debug/ <- the overlay seems to have them too
[15:54] <Saviq> sil2100, ok, but they're not added to Packages?
[15:54] <Saviq> i.e. I can't simply use apt to install them?
[15:54] <Saviq> or should I add main/debug?
[15:54] <Saviq> think that's what I was missing
[15:54] <Saviq> sry
[15:54] <Saviq> didn't know how to work with that yet
[16:01] <pmcgowan> mzanetti, sorry was otp, do you just turn the phone on and it doesn't timeout?
[16:01] <mzanetti> pmcgowan, yep
[16:02] <mzanetti> pmcgowan, also, if I receive a notification that turns it on, it won't time out either
[16:02] <pmcgowan> mzanetti, jibel could not reproduce it which may be a clue in itself
[16:03] <pmcgowan> what does upower say its state is
[16:05] <mzanetti> pmcgowan, seems u-s-c is holding it awake. alf is looking into it too
[16:06] <pmcgowan> ok
[16:06] <seb128> does anyone see why https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-009-1-build/369/console is failing?
[16:07] <seb128> hum
[16:07] <seb128> ./debian/rules: Permission denied
[16:07] <seb128> wth?
[16:13] <seb128> cihelp, ^ (or is that a trainguards issue?)
[16:14] <fginther> seb128, that would be trainguard
[16:14] <seb128> fginther, thanks
[16:34] <robru> seb128: sorry was in meeting
[16:34] <seb128> no worry
[16:35] <seb128> seems like CI build doesn't like the fact that indicator-session debian/rules is not +x
[16:35] <seb128> but that was not an issue before
[16:35] <seb128> and dpkg-source and other tools usually fix that
[16:35] <seb128> unsure what changed that makes it a problem
[16:36] <robru> seb128: what changed if we started calling "rules clean" before builds
[16:36] <seb128> seems buggy
[16:36] <seb128> and why?
[16:36] <robru> seb128: i can make it chmod first but it's easier if you just set the permission for now
[16:36] <seb128> I did
[16:37] <seb128> still a bug in the system
[16:37] <robru> seb128: we did this so people could hook into that and munge their control files prior to building, eg so they can have different abi from same source package
[16:37] <seb128> I see
[16:38] <seb128> well in which case adding the chmod +x seems like a good thing to do
[16:38] <seb128> or ignoring the failing clean calls
[16:39] <robru> seb128: yeah i can fix it but will take some time to get the fix in production
[16:39] <seb128> that's ok, I did a chmod +x mp for indicator-session meanwhile
[16:39] <robru> Ok
[16:39] <seb128> robru, thanks
[16:40] <robru> You're welcome
[17:36] <bzoltan_> robru: jibel: rvr: The silo23 with the tiny fix is good for QA validation
[17:42] <rvr> jgdx: ping
[17:44] <jibel> bzoltan_, good, alesage is on it
[17:45] <alesage> jibel, bzoltan_ ack
[17:45] <rvr> jgdx: "Open System Settings and call a SIM Service number containing a #, e.g. +47005#1"
[17:45] <bzoltan_> alesage: jibel:  super, thank you. Feel free to ping me, I try respond even during the night
[17:46] <rvr> jgdx: I think my SIM service numbers don't have any hash characters
[19:27] <jibel> trainguards you can publish silo 23 it is for ota7
[19:40] <robru> mterry: around for a packaging ack? https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/silo/23
[19:40] <mterry> robru, hiyo sure
[19:40] <robru> thanks
[19:41] <robru> oh hah, it's just the trivial debian/watch
[19:41] <robru> I should fix the train to not consider that as requiring an ack...
[19:42] <robru> slangasek: can you remind me again why the -gles packages need to be separate source packages and can't just be build from the same sources?
[19:42] <mterry> robru, yeah
[19:43] <robru> mterry: need you to publish for now please
[19:43] <mterry> robru, was about to ask if I was looking at right diff  :)
[19:43] <mterry> robru, I did
[19:43] <mterry> oh whoops
[19:43] <mterry> now I did
[19:44] <robru> mterry: yeah the first time you click build it just logs you in and redirects to the form
[19:44] <robru> mterry: I'll be so happy when we finally get rid of jenkins
[19:51] <jgdx> rvr, right, it's difficult to test
[19:58] <rvr> jgdx: So, what can I do?
[20:01] <slangasek> robru: you can't build -gles and non-gles as part of the same source package because of conflicting build-deps
[20:02] <robru> slangasek: why do the build deps conflict? What if we made the build deps coinstallable so that we could unify the source packages?
[20:03] <robru> slangasek: what if we made a debian/rules that installed one build dep for over build then switched to the other for the other build? ;-)
[20:03] <slangasek> robru: they conflict because GL and GLES have conflicting APIs and there's no reasonable way to make them coinstallable without doing a lot of build system work
[20:03] <slangasek> robru: then that debian/rules would be shot out of a cannon
[20:03] <robru> Hehe
[20:04] <jgdx> rvr, I'm thinking
[20:04] <robru> slangasek: what if the rules file did the builds in two separate chroots with the different build deps?
[20:05] <slangasek> robru: you don't get to do anything that requires root in a debian/rules.
[20:05] <robru> slangasek: what if we invented a user mode chroot? ;-)
[20:07] <robru> slangasek: what if, instead of the train enforcing users to manage gles twins, the train just made gles copies similarly to the way it makes vivid copies. Would reduce a lot of hassle for people i think
[20:09] <jgdx> rvr, are you able to make the device rw to test this?
[20:09] <rvr> jgdx: Yes
[20:10] <jgdx> rvr, okay, then I guess there's a way. You have to +rw and install python3-dbusmock
[20:13] <rvr> jgdx: Checking
[20:19] <jgdx> rvr, next up, stop ofono. $ sudo stop ofono ?
[20:19] <jgdx> let me know how it goes
[20:21] <rvr> jgdx: ofono stop/waiting
[20:24] <jgdx> rvr, okay, then $ sudo python3 -m dbusmock --template ofono
[20:24] <jgdx> and in a new terminal, do phablet-shell and then $ gdbus call -y -d org.ofono -o /ril_0 -m org.freedesktop.DBus.Mock.AddProperty "org.ofono.SimManager" ServiceNumbers "<{'Foobar': '+47#000'}>"
[20:24] <jgdx> should output ()
[20:24] <jgdx> open system settings and test
[20:25] <rvr> hmm
[20:28] <rvr> Done
[20:28] <rvr> ()
[20:29] <jgdx> rvr, okay, System Settings -> Phone -> Service numbers -> Foobar -> Call
[20:30] <rvr> aha!
[20:30] <rvr> Done
[20:30] <jgdx> the dialer should have +47#000
[20:30] <rvr> Yes
[20:30] <jgdx> not just +47
[20:31] <rvr> Right!
[20:33] <kgunn> robru: you'd be the bomb if you automated twins
[20:36] <robru> kgunn: I really hate the way gles are handled currently and I'd love to clean that up
[20:36] <robru> kgunn: like, it really bothers me on a deep and personal level ;-)
[20:36] <kgunn> :)
[20:36] <robru> kgunn: only because I know that a better way exists.
[20:37] <robru> kgunn: can't guarantee a timeline but I'm looking into solutions
[20:38] <kgunn> me likie
[20:38] <jgdx> rvr, what'd you get
[20:38] <rvr> jgdx: Yes, I got +47#000
[20:39] <jgdx> rvr, wheee!  Night!
[20:41] <rvr> jgdx: Good night!
[20:44] <robru> kgunn: did you ever notice that the train can't generate diffs for the non-gles version of packages that have -gles twins? I just noticed today and it doesn't seem like it's a result of anything I've changed recently, but I have a hard time believing that the train always failed to diff ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[20:51] <kgunn> huh...i never noticed
[20:53] <robru> kgunn: it's due to the watch file... when it builds the gles variant, it downloads the orig.tar over the non-gles one, then renames it to the -gles one, leaving the non-gles one without an orig.tar to diff. pretty basic stuff, it's been using debianwatch files all along...
[20:53] <robru> kgunn: but yeah I never noticed until today. there must have been diffs in the past...
[21:24] <robru> wat


[08:24] <Burgundavia> mpt: you around?
[08:45] <mpt> Burgundavia, yep
[08:45] <Burgundavia> mpt: nice page on the "for reviewers" bit
[08:46] <Burgundavia> probably something the marketing team can do
[08:46] <mpt> ah, good idea
[08:47] <mpt> I'd created that page way back in 2005 and then forgotten about it
[08:48] <Burgundavia> oh, right
[09:19] <mdke> morning all
[09:19] <bhuvan> morning mdke
[09:21] <mdke> hi bhuvan
[09:25] <Burgundavia> morning bhuvan and mdke
[09:25] <bhuvan> morning Burgundavia
[09:26] <mdke> hiya corey
[09:39] <Burgundavia> mdke: do you know much about the org. Oxford Archaeology?
[11:01] <Burgundavia> mdke: you around?
[03:29] <nixternal> good morning!
[04:11] <jjesse> morning
[04:11] <jjesse> in training @ home :)
[04:20] <jjesse> working in the office now i can access irc :)
[04:33] <janimo> hi, is there a reason for various png and gif files in doc svn to be marked executable?
[04:34] <janimo> no big issues, it just bothers lintian and creates lots of noise while building the package
[07:40] <BlackBirdBB> bhuvan : there?


[02:55] <valorie> happy new year, folks
[02:55]  * valorie just got home from Vancouver
[04:19] <MarkDude> Happy NYE valorie
[04:19] <MarkDude> Looking forward to you making it down for UDS
[04:19] <MarkDude> Not to big of a trip
[04:19] <MarkDude> :D
[06:38] <valorie> we'll see
[06:38] <valorie> my daddy should be much better by then
[06:39] <valorie> should be possible
[06:39] <valorie> and fun!
[06:45] <MarkDude> It will me all sorts of fun
[06:46]  * MarkDude is already helping organize some sortof tour thing
[06:46] <MarkDude> People want to see the area
[06:46]  * MarkDude will have folks get on MUNI and all sorts fo interesting things


[10:15] <cjwatson> https://blog.launchpad.net/general/login-regression-for-users-with-non-ascii-names is a retrospective on the login problems for some people earlier this week.
[10:38] <SpecialK|Canon> Nicely written
[10:38] <SpecialK|Canon> Thanks for putting that together
[19:19] <sarnold> cjwatson: nice writeup, thanks


[02:31] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: So, is it a matter of fixing sudo itself, or does kdesu pass flags to sudo that are messing it up?
[02:32] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: In Lubuntu (which I believe uses lxqt-sudo?), it works (if I'm remembering correctly, I tested it just last night).
[02:32] <Eickmeyer> It's a matter of fixing sudo itself. A certain upload broke it, so there might need to be a bisect, but neither him nor I have had a chance to do it.
[02:33] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Bisect. OK. I've looked a bit a git, so I might be able to learn that, and I just got unmetered Internet hooked up today, so there's no more bandwitch issues.
[02:33] <Eickmeyer> If we can identify which commit broke it, we can file an upstream bug report and get some attention on it.
[02:33] <arraybolt3> s/bandwitch/bandwidth
[02:33] <Eickmeyer> Oh, sweet! That's more than I have!
[02:33] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Sounds good. What repo should I be digging through? Is there a git link?
[02:33] <Eickmeyer> I'm limited to 1.2TB/month #BlameComcast
[02:34] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Look into Calyx Institute. If you're in a T-Mobile cell tower area, they give you unlimited data (people have hit 1.3 TB and were still going strong) for $50 per month, payed three months at a time (or you get two months free if you buy a year at once)
[02:34] <Eickmeyer> I honestly don't know where Debian gets its sudo, I haven't had time to investigate. Getting ready for a major launch (I am on the Kubuntu Focus team, https://kfocus.org if your're interested).
[02:35] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Though they are cellular, so it probably won't be as fast as what you're using now.
[02:35] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: I guess if it's in debian, I just have to find the Debian source code (which shouldn't be too much of a problem thanks to GPL)
[02:35] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I live in the next town over from T-Mobile's HQ, but had a bad experience with the network.
[02:35] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that shouldn't be hard to find.
[02:36] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: <Sigh.> Oh well. It might work as a backup for when you hit your 1.2 TB?
[02:36] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: I've only had them for a day so far, but I'm hammering the data hard so that I can make sure it works as advertised.
[02:36] <Eickmeyer> Maybe, but man, a carrier pigeon was faster.
[02:37] <Eickmeyer> I also am surrounded by power lines and proximity to two regional substations.
[02:37] <arraybolt3> EIckmeyer: Whoa, Kubuntu Focus looks SO COOL.
[02:38] <Eickmeyer> I have the first generation of that machine, and for a 9th gen i7, it screams.
[02:39] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: I live out in the middle of nowhere where the only options I have are cellular, dialup, and satellite. I'm not paying for satellexpensive, I'm not using dial-stall, and so cellular is what I've got. I'm used to kinda slow.
[02:39] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I hear ya. Your best bet is cellular. In my area, cellular is crowded.
[02:41] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Good grief, those Kubuntu Focus things are expensive.
[02:41] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: OK, so, bisect sudo. Sounds like a pretty good project!
[02:41] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, but worth it, especially if you're a data scientist.
[02:41] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Awesome, would love to see where you get with it.
[02:42] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Yeah, sounds like. I toyed with the idea of a KDE Slimbook III not too long ago, but they're just too pricey. I'm perfectly fine with my HP Z220 SFF Workstation and Elitebook over here. Old, yeah, but they work for what I need. (But should I need jaw-dropping amounts of power, I think I know where I'm getting it now.)
[02:43] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Well worth it, I had one before I joined the team.
[02:46] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: BTW, I have a HP Z220 CMT that I use as a server.
[02:47] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Oh nice! I've just about maxed out my SFF (got a GTX 1050 TI and a second 16 GB of RAM on the way ATM) so that Ubuntu Studio will work for what I'm doing. (Yes, I'm using Ubuntu Studio as my daily driver, thank you so much!)
[02:47] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: My pleasure, nice to see it out in the wild!
[02:47] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Ubuntu Studio is my go-to for powerful systems, and Lubuntu for the lower-end ones and for VMs.
[02:47] <arraybolt3> I'm actually on Ubuntu Studio 21.10 (though I'm gonna upgrade to 22.04 once the new hardware gets here)
[02:48] <arraybolt3> And I just finished installing 22.04 on an HP Pavilion dv7-3000.
[02:48] <arraybolt3> My first experience with Linux was KXStudio 14.04, and man, I was hooked. I was somewhat sad that KXStudio didn't provide ISOs anymore... and then I found this. Wow, it's awesome.
[02:49] <Eickmeyer> And, it's Ubuntu through-and-through.
[02:49] <arraybolt3> Kudos for sticking LMMS in this new release - I was sad when 21.10 didn't have it and I had to go grab an appimage. I see the new one's got it \o/
[02:51] <Eickmeyer> We were able to up our ISO image size with this because I got the release team to start using ISO level 3 on all images, which will actually future-proof all of Ubuntu for probably several decades.
[02:52] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Nice. Hey, do you know off the top of your head if the KDE version of Debian Bullseye live has software-properties-qt in it or not?
[02:52] <Eickmeyer> That's how LMMS came back.
[02:52] <arraybolt3> (If there even is a KDE version... probably should find out first)
[02:52] <Eickmeyer> I don't know.
[02:52] <Eickmeyer> I don't think there is, I think all of their live images use GNOME, but I could be wrong.
[02:52] <arraybolt3> Nope, I used an LXDE image just the other day. Got it on my external HDD right now.
[02:53] <Eickmeyer> Interesting. I guess the only way to know is to download and find out!  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[02:54] <arraybolt3> Yep, they've got a KDE image. I'm almost done pulling Xubuntu Kinetic, so I'll be able to pull Debian KDE live next.
[02:54] <arraybolt3> Here's where I found it if you're interested: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
[02:55] <Eickmeyer> That reminds me, I need to start zsyncing Kinetic.
[02:57] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: I'm noticing that, for some reason, the nVidia proprietary drivers for the GeForce 230m aren't in the Ubuntu repositories anymore - I'm going to have to get them from the Graphics Drivers PPA. This affected Lubuntu and Ubuntu Studio so far. Any clue as to why?
[02:57] <arraybolt3> And also, is the PPA more recommended, or should I use the download from nVidia's site?
[02:59] <Eickmeyer> Hmmmm... my experience is with the 1000 series and above, so I'm not so certain. If there's a PPA, go for it, you might find the installation experience easier. Nvidia's site tends to be convoluted sometiems.
[02:59] <Eickmeyer> PPAs are easier because you get the keys and repo all in one command.
[03:00] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: That's what I figured. Installing pretty much anything on Linux without a package manager is a good way to go boom if you're not careful.
[03:01] <Eickmeyer> Indeed.
[03:02] <arraybolt3> At least I don't have to fight with Secure Boot since I'm on a BIOS system :-S
[03:03] <arraybolt3> Ah, great, they're not on 22.04 yet... OK, I'm getting off topic, sorry.
[03:03] <Eickmeyer> It's all good. I need to get going anyhow.
[03:31] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: For if you're interested in finding the Debian source code in the future, looks like it's at salsa.debian.org. Appears to be a GitLab instance.
[06:03] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Maybe I'm doing this wrong, but I installed Ubuntu Studio 22.04 in a VM, updated it, then cloned the sudo repo from Debian, downloaded the dependencies, and build and installed sudo from source. The newly compiled version wasn't taking, so I deleted /usr/bin/sudo and then symbolic linked /usr/local/bin/sudo to /usr/bin/sudo.
[06:04] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: So here's the problematic part. In Ubuntu Studio 21.10, everything works, and it uses sudo 1.9.5p2. So I build sudo 1.9.5p2 in 22.04, and installed it... and the bug is still there.
[06:04] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: My bad, I thought it worked in 21.10, I was wrong. Ignore me - I was getting into this screen some other way and must've forgot.
[06:29] <RikMills> arraybolt3: it was one of the changes in this revision that seems to have triggered the issue
[06:29] <RikMills> https://github.com/PackageKit/PackageKit/issues/450
[06:29] <RikMills> umm. not that. bad copy/paste
[06:30] <RikMills> this: https://tracker.debian.org/news/1237774/accepted-sudo-196-1exp2-source-into-experimental/
[06:31] <arraybolt3> RikMills: Well, here's the thing - I compiled almost the same version of sudo that was in Focal, and installed it from source into Jammy... and the bug is still there.
[06:31] <arraybolt3> RikMills: And I made very sure that the version of sudo that was running was the one I had just compiled.
[06:32] <RikMills> arraybolt3: https://people.ubuntu.com/~rikmills/sudo/
[06:33] <RikMills> sudo_1.9.6-1~exp1_amd64.deb is fine
[06:33] <RikMills> sudo_1.9.6-1~exp2_amd64.deb is broken with kdesu
[06:33] <arraybolt3> RikMills: So this leads me to believe maybe sudo's interacting with something weird? I've also discovered that my Ubuntu Studio 21.10 box is exhibiting the same symptoms, even though it isn't supposed to have the problem.
[06:33] <arraybolt3> RikMills: I'll try your package.
[06:33] <RikMills> this is for 22.04
[06:34] <arraybolt3> Agh, and right now is when I wish I had made a VM snapshot before butchering my package manager with make install...
[06:34] <RikMills> this is why I made debs :P
[06:34] <RikMills> at least for this part
[06:34] <arraybolt3> RikMills: While you're right here, I installed the "bad" version of Sudo into Debian 11 Bullseye with KDE, and installed muon, and did the software sources thing, and it worked just fine.
[06:35] <RikMills> arraybolt3: but did you change the extra config files that debian adds in it's packaging, on top of the plain sudo from source?
[06:36] <RikMills> just compiling the sudo src would not do that
[06:36] <arraybolt3> RikMills: No, didn't know that was a thing! I just cloned the repo, installed the dependencies, then ./configure, make, and make install.
[06:37] <RikMills> the change I think broke things is in the extra configs debian ship on top
[06:37] <arraybolt3> RikMills: Can you give me a general idea of how to do that? Is it just, "copy this list of files before make", or what?
[06:37] <arraybolt3> I could look this stuff up, but you already know and you're right here :-p
[06:38] <RikMills> not right now. perhaps later today, as I have to start my day very soon
[06:38] <arraybolt3> RikMills: That's fine. I'll figure it out.
[06:39] <RikMills> ok, as it would take a while to do
[06:40] <arraybolt3> RikMills: I just installed the "~exp1" package and the bug is still there.
[06:40] <arraybolt3> In Ubuntu Studio 22.04
[06:42] <arraybolt3> Maybe it's just the package manager fighting with my messed-up system. I'll do further testing to see what's happening. Hopefully, if I can just get "this works, this doesn't", I can git bisect and be done.
[06:51] <RikMills> I will have to look later. I could quite easily toggle the breakage on and off with those packages the other day
[07:04] <RikMills> at least on Kubuntu 22.04 for me upgrading from the ~exp1 -> ~exp2 DOES cause the breakage. just confirmed on my 22.04
[07:05] <RikMills> downgrading to the exp1 makes it work again
[07:06] <RikMills> right, have to run!
[07:06] <arraybolt3> RikMills: OK. I'm over here fighting with Debian 11 (maybe not such a good idea), and can't even install ~exp1, so... But, I'm figuring it out!
[07:07] <RikMills> https://i.imgur.com/4UtxIEH.png
[07:08] <RikMills> exp1 on my people.ubuntu.com was compiled against Ubuntu repos, so may not be compatible with debian
[07:09] <arraybolt3> RikMills: Yeah, figured as much. I'm getting ready to spin up Kubuntu 22.04 now, so I can do the testing in the right environment.
[07:29] <arraybolt3> RikMills: Hey, in the sudo source from Debian's website, there's both "upstream" and "debian" branches. Will compiling a "debian" branch give me the extra config files you're talking about? 'Cause I've ben using the "upstream" ones.
[08:21] <RikMills> Eickmeyer: I **think** it is this commit: https://salsa.debian.org/sudo-team/sudo/-/commit/59db341d46aa4c26b54c1270e69f2562e7f3d751
[08:23] <arraybolt3> I think I'm on the verge of finally doing the git bisect, in which case we'll hopefully find out for sure.
[08:25] <RikMills> simply commenting out 'Defaults	use_pty' in /etc/sudoers makes the bug go away, even in the latest sudo in jammy
[08:25] <RikMills> now as adding that was a fix for a CVE, we have a problem
[08:25] <arraybolt3> How are you installing your ~exp1 package? I just did it on Kubuntu 22.04, fully updated, and no dice.
[08:26] <RikMills> see my screenshot from a while back
[08:26] <RikMills> sudo apt install
[08:28] <arraybolt3> Not working for me, I'll have a screenshot in a bit...
[08:30] <arraybolt3> https://imgur.com/a/2dqJ6mp
[08:31] <arraybolt3> This is on a fresh install + full updates and all of the development packages for building sudo (though I didn't actually build or install sudo at this point).
[08:32] <arraybolt3> Running in virt-manager (QEMU/KVM).
[08:34] <RikMills> https://i.imgur.com/neO9Yy2.png
[08:35] <RikMills> clean VM ^
[08:35] <RikMills> nothing changed apart from that line in sudoers
[08:36] <RikMills> ok, now we know what change broke things, need to find away to fix it. hopefully not requiring reverting that CVE change
[08:36] <arraybolt3> So I guess it must have been those development packages. But **this** time, I made a snapshot in time!
[08:37]  * RikMills shrugs
[08:37] <RikMills> it is consistent in my VM, that is all I can say
[08:38]  * arraybolt3 grumbles at still-disobedient VM
[08:38] <arraybolt3> Still isn't doing it for me.
[08:39] <arraybolt3> What hypervisor are you using?
[08:39] <RikMills> I'll try on a real machine
[08:40] <arraybolt3> FINALLY! Using the ~exp2 package and commenting out that line did it. But the ~exp1 never did work.
[08:41] <RikMills> maybe your sudoers config file was not getting updated for some reason
[08:41] <RikMills> confirmed on laptop as well
[08:42] <arraybolt3> And now the ~exp1 works after all that.
[08:43] <arraybolt3> What's odd was, I could see the sudoers file change after each installation. But for some reason, I had to install ~exp2, comment the line, install ~exp1, tell it to use the package maintainer's sudoers file, and then ~exp1 worked.
[08:43] <arraybolt3> Whatever. It's definitely that line.
[08:43] <arraybolt3> Nice going finding it!
[08:46] <RikMills> just a process of elimination. and I noticed most of the changes in the debian version where it broke were config file changes, which made it easier to test reversions
[08:47] <RikMills> and a hunch which to test 1st ;)
[08:48] <arraybolt3> So now the question is why that option is causing problems.
[08:52] <RikMills> and what has to change to fix it. sudo or kdesu. hmmmmm..............
[08:53] <arraybolt3> Well, by manually doing kdesu from a terminal with use_pty enabled, I got this interesting error in the terminal:
[08:53] <arraybolt3> https://pastebin.com/fqzuBu2h
[08:54] <arraybolt3> (It's short, I was going to paste it right into IRC, but Konversation gave me a scary warning when I went to do that...)
 that warning has been there for many years, even when things worked
[08:56] <arraybolt3> No, the bit about "unknown request: stop".
[08:57] <arraybolt3> That part doesn't appear when I comment out use_pty.
[08:57] <arraybolt3> (I did paste a bit too much, but I wanted to err on the side of too much data rather than not enough.)
[08:57] <RikMills> ah
[09:03] <arraybolt3> I *think* I found the code in kdesu that's gone glitchy. I don't know C++, but I know C#, and I can kinda get the gist of what I'm looking at.
[09:05] <arraybolt3> I added an annotation in the code as a comment near the end: https://pastebin.com/rRU8vd7s
[09:06] <arraybolt3> I horked that out of stubprocess.cpp in kdesu from version 5.24.0 on GitHub.
[09:06] <arraybolt3> (That's the version that seemed closest to the version present in Kubuntu 22.04.)
[09:13] <arraybolt3> Oddly, looking at the code, it doesn't appear that kdesu_stub is ever supposed to tell kdesu "stop", even in the latest master branch. I wonder if that's something that sudo is outputting that's somehow getting kicked through kdesu_stub and into kdesu?
[09:42] <arraybolt3> Well, I can't figure it out. I wish I could capture the communication between kdesu and kdesu_stub. It looks like kdesu launches kdesu_stub using sudo, and then gives it data about what to launch. I'm wondering if that's where things are breaking, since the new sudo messes with terminal stuff with use_pty.
[09:44] <arraybolt3> RikMills: Do you know how to capture the stdio communication between two programs? I tried using a Bash script, a couple of fifos, and a log file, but I couldn't figure out how to intercept the communication both ways, allow the data through both ways, and capture it all. I just make kdesu freeze up trying to do this...
[09:44] <RikMills> not without some reading
[09:47] <arraybolt3> Like, there's something I need to read, or there's a read command that needs to be used? (I tried using "read" to get the output from kdesu to feed it into kdesu_stub.)
[09:48] <RikMills> means I would not know where to start without my own research, so I can't offer any more insight than you can gain by doing the same
[09:48] <arraybolt3> oh ok
[09:48] <RikMills> on this anyway
[09:49] <arraybolt3> I can probably do it with C# and Mono, but my brain is way too fried to do that at this point, so I think I'll have to pick up tomorrow. Thank you for bringing me into this! This was really fun!
[09:50] <arraybolt3> I should say, I was able to get software-properties-kde to launch by doing "sudo kdesu_stub" while in the directory with kdesu, and then manually typing various parameters. I just gave "no" or a blank value for anything I didn't understand, and it worked.
[09:50] <arraybolt3> And this was with use_pty enabled, I believe.
[11:28] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:39] <Eickmeyer> RikMills, arraybolt3: I feel like since there was a CVE involved, we might think about getting the security team involved to evaluate what needs to be done. Either something needs to be fixed in kdesu to work around the CVE fix or something needs to be done more correctly in sudo.
[15:40] <RikMills> Eickmeyer: well, I think I might be able to fix for driver-manager. Muon/discover, maybe not
[15:43] <RikMills> i.e. get pkexec working for driver-manager
[15:52] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: Yeah, that doesn't quite fix the fundamental problem though.
[15:54] <RikMills> I know
[15:59] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: We could, in theory, surgically remove that line in our respective postinst lines using sed, but that gets sketchy at best and I hate doing that.
[15:59] <Eickmeyer> And I'd hate to do it without the security team's blessing.
[16:00] <RikMills> yes, already mentally went through that idea
[16:00] <Eickmeyer> Hours ahead of me as usual. Time zones don't just apply to where the sun is. :)
[16:01] <Eickmeyer> I posted in #ubuntu-security
[21:34] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: That makes sense. If I'm understanding correctly, though, kdesu is doing the very thing that could exploit the CVE, so I think kdesu needs to change. (I could be wrong, but that's what it looks like to me so far. Maybe I just don't understand PTYs.)
[21:35] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: I personally don't quite understand it, but if it is exploiting the CVE (and has for decades), then it's definitely in the wrong and this needs to be brought-up in the upstream bug report that RikMills and I have been commenting on.
[21:36] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: I currently don't have time to do it, but you might try inserting a custom executable in between kdesu and kdesu_stub and capture the communication between the two. Something is telling kdesu "stop", a command it doesn't understand during its conversation with kdesu_stub. The paste here is the error I get on the console running "./kdesu software-properties-kde" in the correct directory: https://pastebin.com/rRU8vd7s
[21:37] <arraybolt3> And kdesu_stub doesn't appear to be designed to ever say "stop" in the code (though maybe I'm not understanding the code, since I don't know C++).
[21:38] <arraybolt3> These are the files I was looking at: https://github.com/KDE/kdesu/blob/master/src/stubprocess.cpp https://github.com/KDE/kdesu/blob/master/src/kdesu_stub.c
[21:38] <Eickmeyer> I don't know C++ myself. I'm decent at bash, can stumble my way through javascript, and trip through python, but C(++) is beyond me.
[21:39] <valorie> this conversation should perhaps take place in #kde-devel ?
[21:39] <valorie> or at least on the list until you are told to move it to the security ML
[21:39] <Eickmeyer> valorie: We're trying to solve a kubuntu and ubuntu studio specific issue.
[21:39] <valorie> ah, OK
[21:40] <Eickmeyer> We have involved security only to get their perspective.
[21:40] <arraybolt3> I should see if I can install the latest sudo into Debian 11 and then put use_pty in the sudoers file to see if it is specific to these distros or not.
[21:40] <Eickmeyer> And because sudo is involved.
[21:40] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Worth a shot.
[21:41] <arraybolt3> Hey, I still have my Debian 11 VM from last night! Sweet, this should be an easy test.
[21:54] <arraybolt3> Alright, everyone, the bug is **not (K)Ubuntu(Studio) specific.** I just reproduced it in the latest Debian by installing sudo from source and adding the use_pty line into /etc/sudoers.
[21:55] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: I guess that means it is a KDE issue after all?
[21:57] <arraybolt3> I'll see if it's Debian-derivative-specific at all by try Fedora next.
[21:59] <valorie> @ahoneybun could test on whatever he's got available....
[21:59] <arraybolt3> My internet is not exactly the fastest on the planet, so the download might take a bit, but I'm pulling Fedora now.
[22:01] <Eickmeyer> We at least know it's Debian-specific.
[22:01] <Eickmeyer> Gotta go get my son from school now.
[22:07] <arraybolt3> Even if this is Debian-specific, if kdesu really is accidentally using a CVE to function, it should be changed, even if the problem doesn't affect other distros. Eventually they will (or at least ought to) patch the vulnerability, and then things will break there, too.
[23:40] <valorie> that was sort of my point re: bringing in the KDE devels
[23:40] <valorie> gotta be fixed upstream one way or the other


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[00:20] <damian> jadoe: I guess you could wrap the movie playing app around disable/enable the xscreensaver deamon in the script then call the script instead of the app directly
[01:31] <joshd> I've just moved to xubuntu 11.10 from Mint 11, and am trying to compile an MPI application. I have, (as far as I know) all the right OpenMPI packages installed for this to work
[01:31] <joshd> I get this error when linking http://paste.ubuntu.com/856065/
[01:33] <joshd> libmpi_cxx.so.0 appears to be linked to the correct location
[05:24] <juanc> Buenas noches
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[09:53] <NyLes> can someone analyze my problem with my soundcard? http://paste.ubuntu.com/856301
[11:40] <shpngld> hello everybody! I have such an weird problem. Im running xubuntu 11.04 and have installed skype beta. the problem is I cant type in the chat windows in skype. The only way for a text to appear is to first type in in empty file than copy it and then paste in chat window. I have tried reinstalling skype but nothing happened please help!
[11:42] <baizon> shpngld: what version of skype are you using?
[11:42] <shpngld> lemme check
[11:43] <shpngld> skype beta <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:43] <shpngld> I installed it using the software center
[11:43] <baizon> shpngld: try skype 2.2
[11:43] <shpngld> how can i find this version?
[11:44] <shpngld> shoul i use the soft centre or just google?
[11:44] <baizon> http://www.skype.com/intl/en/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/
[11:45] <shpngld> ok baizon  I downloaded the package. should i first remove the other version?
[11:45] <baizon> shpngld: yes
[11:45] <shpngld> ok Im tryin now....
[11:51] <shpngld> baizon,  it installed the same version, wonder what i made wrong
[11:54] <TheSheep> shpngld: if you right-click inside the text area, you can select an "input method"
[11:54] <TheSheep> shpngld: see if changing that helps
[11:56] <shpngld> I cant even type my password at login screeen!!!
[11:57] <TheSheep> !!!
[11:57] <TheSheep> make sure your keyboard is connected...
[11:58] <shpngld> now I cant type ANYWHERE except here
[11:58] <shpngld> something is wrong last night everything was ok
[11:59] <shpngld> i havent donbe nothing unusual, just browsing
[11:59] <TheSheep> did you try to change that input method?
[11:59] <baizon> xD
[12:00] <shpngld> I cant login into skype, I cant type my password
[12:02] <shpngld> I cant type into addresss bar even
[12:02] <baizon> so something is wrong with you input
[12:02] <shpngld> only here, what to do?
[12:02] <baizon> restart? :D
[12:02]  * TheSheep gives up
[12:02] <shpngld> OMG
[12:03] <baizon> indeed
[12:03] <shpngld> what kind of input mkethod i have to use?
[12:03] <TheSheep> shpngld: try the X one
[12:03] <shpngld> when i right klik on to adress bar there is input method
[12:05] <shpngld> I will restart now, hopefully something better will happen
[12:06] <baizon> good luck
[13:14] <xubuntu763> hello
[13:15] <xubuntu763> i am quite new in xubuntu and all is working well on my pc, apart from a little problem that i am trying to solve but so far with no success.
[13:17] <xubuntu763> it is about clicking turn off pc, but in the end system is shutting down until it says system is down, but it is not because monitor is on and pc fan is running. then i have to press on/off button on tower to turn off definitely.
[13:17] <xubuntu763> i tried many things but with no success.
[13:18] <xubuntu763> my pc is a pentium 3 with 1 Gb ram. No acpi or apm.
[13:18] <TheSheep> well, without acpi it's not possible to turn the computer off programmatically
[13:20] <xubuntu763> before i had xp running on this pc and it turned off well, but with ubuntu after and now xubuntu, no way.
[13:20] <xubuntu763> you are right, thesheep, about having no acpi, there is no chance.
[13:20] <well_laid_lawn> !tab
[13:22] <xubuntu763> i tried to edit with acpi=off, but nothing. No acpi, no party.
[13:24] <well_laid_lawn> this fellow found a solution http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88984
[16:32] <vjacob> hiya
[16:32] <vjacob> anyone know how to get rid of the annoying corner pop-up about network connection being down/off (when it is clearly on)?
[16:34] <GridCube> yep, clic on it
[16:34] <vjacob> well
[16:34] <vjacob> i have been doing that
[16:34] <vjacob> my question is how to avoid clicking
[16:34] <vjacob> and not have them display at all
[16:35] <vjacob> i dont really need that popzup
[16:35] <vjacob> to appear
[16:35] <GridCube> no way that im aware of
[16:35] <GridCube> let me check
[16:35] <m1chael> can i use virtual box to install to a usb flash drive?
[16:35] <vjacob> guess im not the only one http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1795405
[16:36] <GridCube> vjacob, nope, its something pretty common
[16:37] <vjacob> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1877641 apparently has a "solution"
[16:38] <GridCube> vjacob, try this: gconftool -s /apps/nm-applet/disable-disconnected-notifications --type=bool true
[16:38] <vjacob> sudo mv /usr/lib/notify-osd /usr/lib/notify-osd-DELETETHIS
[16:41] <vjacob> thanks gridgube, i appreciate it
[16:41] <vjacob> will keep it in mind
[16:42] <vjacob> anyone here know where the commands that launch each panel item are located?
[16:42] <vjacob> i want to find out what command is being used to screen lock
[16:42] <vjacob> or Lock screen
[16:43] <vjacob> or do any of you know how I could temporarily disable panel 2 without removing it from the configuration completely?
[16:44] <GridCube> disable?
[16:44] <vjacob> have it not load
[16:44] <vjacob> as in auto-hide is not enough
[16:44] <GridCube> mmm not that im aware of
[16:44] <vjacob> only see delete and add buttons in the properties
[16:45] <vjacob> but I take it there must be a config file somewhere
[16:45] <vjacob> that I could backup and then I could also revert to that
[16:46] <GridCube> maybe on ~/.config/xfce4/panel
[16:46] <GridCube> ?
[16:46] <GridCube> no idea
[16:47] <vjacob> guess in .config yeah
[16:47] <vjacob> thanks again
[16:51] <vjacob> arch
[16:51] <vjacob> the panel crashes and reloads when i try to add new apps to it.
[16:52] <vjacob> ah, probably due to disk space running low
[16:54] <mongy> It did that when I added the Places plugin,  after I configured it..  not low on space either
[17:07] <vjacob> mongy, to what extent did you customize your default XFCE config?
[17:08] <mongy> quite bit
[17:09] <mongy> well depends what you mean by customise.  I never hacked any scripts to get what I want.
[17:10] <mongy> changed theme, icons, enabled compiz and gestures, added places plugin, swapped time/date for xfce4-datetime-plugin, compiled netspeed panel plugin, er....rearranged app menu a little
[17:12] <mongy> http://i.imgur.com/Y0VS1.jpg
[17:12] <baizon> nice config :)
[17:13] <vjacob> looks nice indeed
[17:13] <mongy> I have the beef to have a little extra goin on
[17:13] <mongy> reminds me, food time..
[17:13] <vjacob> how much ram do you have on that computer?
[17:13] <vjacob> and is it a desktop or a laptop?
[17:14] <vjacob> nae bother :)
[17:16] <mongy> laptop.  i7/8gb - ati 4650hd 1gig
[17:26] <Sysi> mongy: put space before text "Applications", you can actually do that
[17:27] <mongy> :)  I guess it does improve a touch..
[17:29] <Sysi> which torrent client btw?
[17:29] <mongy> n/a
[17:30] <mongy> means I don't use one, not locally anyway
[17:30] <Sysi> oh right, that's how netspeed should be like
[17:30] <mongy> and rarely.
[17:30] <mongy> yeah, just xfce4-netspeed
[17:32] <vjacob> do you have a special xfce repository? according to apt-get install xfce4-netspeed, its not located on my system
[17:32] <adamrj1986> Hi, I'm new to xubuntu and I can't figure out how to select different audio devices for sound output.
[17:33] <mongy> vjacob, compiled.
[17:34] <holstein> adamrj1986: mention one is bluetooth... pavucontrol is the tool for that in most cases.. i think that is the issue you are having... BT management
[17:34] <mongy> vjacob, its only small and requires a few dev packages..  I kept the debs it made however.
[17:34] <mongy> vjacob, http://code.google.com/p/xfce4-netspeed-plugin/
[17:36] <Sysi> pavucontrol is also used when switching between internal/usb cards but AFAIK it should work with BT too
[17:37] <Sysi> my desktop: http://imagebin.org/200762
[17:37] <mongy> vjacob, if you wanna compile it: sudo apt-get install intltool xfce4-dev-tools libxfce4util-dev libgtk2.0-dev libxfcegui4-dev libxfce4util-dev xfce4-panel-dev libgtop2-dev checkinstall  (checkinstall because I make debs)
[17:39] <mongy> vjacob, I may as well finish it off : )   ./configure --prefix=/usr && make && sudo checkinstall --pkgname=xfce4-netspeed --pkgversion="1:$(date +%Y%m%d%H%M)" --backup=no --deldoc=yes --fstrans=no --default
[17:40] <mongy> use whatever pkgname you like.
[17:41] <Sysi> if I removed wine I could maybe install kwin..
[17:42] <adamrj1986> Sysi: Should the bluetooth device be shown in the 'output' tab of pavucontrol?
[17:42] <mongy> DOOO IIIIIT!
[17:43] <Sysi> adamrj1986: sorry, I don't have any BT sound devices
[17:43] <adamrj1986> Ok, I'm going to try doing some more reading and see what I can figure out
[17:48] <vjacob> thanks a lot mongy
[17:49] <mongy> vjacob, debs in the folder to use another time...
[17:49] <mongy> only 1 meg
[17:52] <mongy> vjacob, if you want cpu % and mem % as well there is the indicator-sysmonitor indicator plugin, works fine as long as you have the indicator plugin on panel..
[17:53] <vjacob> installing the debs currently
[17:54] <mongy> its installed with the checkinstall command.  debs are only thre as backups
[17:54] <mongy> there*.
[17:54] <mongy> just makes life easier for installing/removing
[17:54] <vjacob> i smell a package brewing up :)
[18:09] <mongy> so do I , brb. toilet
[20:10] <justakill> anyone know where i can find a tutorial about static ip adresses xubuntu
[20:10] <justakill> ?
[20:10] <justakill> also how do i check if its static or not
[20:10] <justakill> ?
[20:11] <GridCube> justakill, i don't think that depends exclusivelly on xubuntu or not
[20:12] <GridCube> that will depend on the kind of contrat you have with your ISP
[20:12] <justakill> modem?
[20:12] <justakill> ok
[20:12] <GridCube> DSL kind of connection are always dynamic ip's
[20:13] <justakill> well i'm talking about a static ip on local network
[20:13] <justakill> i think??
[20:13] <GridCube> oh
[20:13] <GridCube> thats you should set on your router
[20:14] <Unit193> LAN IP? No, that's the computer.
[20:14] <Unit193> Why do you need to set it? That's an easier way to figure out what you need.
[20:14] <Sysi> click on network icon on panel -> edit connections -> wired
[20:14] <GridCube> then you simply connect to a static ip on nm-connection-editor
[20:16] <Sysi> by default it's dhcp but your dhcp server is likely to give same address to same machine
[20:19] <mongy> careful the one you set does not conflict with any in the dhcp pool
[20:44] <DarkLordZim> hi everyone
[20:47] <mongy> sup
[20:48] <DarkLordZim> i've got a question dealing with hardware management
[20:48] <DarkLordZim> is there a command-line way to disable my touchpad? or do i need to install "synaptiks" to handle any of the touchpad settings?
[20:49] <mongy> synclient TouchpadOff=1
[20:49] <mongy> man syndaemon
[20:49] <DarkLordZim> ty!
[20:49] <mongy> np
[20:50] <mongy> syndaemon -i 2 -d    if you wanna disable while typing
[22:53] <Dayofswords> does anyone know how to stop xubuntu from starting up the programs that was open the last time i logged in?
[22:54] <knome> Dayofswords, close all applications, and when you log in the next time, be sure you have "save session" selected.
[22:54] <knome> Dayofswords, the next time after that, uncheck
[22:55] <Dayofswords> k, i'll try that
[22:59] <Dayofswords> so where is this save session thing? i'm not on exactly xubuntu, it's ubuntu 11.04 that i then installed xubuntu-desktop, i still have the ubuntu login screen(gdm?)
[22:59] <mongy> knome: out of curious, where does it save this info?
[22:59] <knome> Dayofswords, that was supposed to be "when you log *out*" :)
[22:59] <knome> mongy, i'm not completely sure.
[23:01] <Dayofswords> knome: the logout thing doesn't have a save session option either, just "log out" and "cancel"
[23:01] <knome> Dayofswords, right, then check the session section in the settings manager
[23:01] <mongy> odd, I seeo one
[23:01] <mongy> there is a tick box
[23:02] <Unit193> ~/.cache/sessions (close enough)
[23:10] <mongy> I have a shed load of 0 byte files in .cache/sessions
[23:11] <mongy> all thunar
[23:11] <mongy> 265 to be precise.
[23:15] <Unit193> mongy: Delete 'em,  see what happens. :P
[23:16] <brianp1992> im installing xubuntu right now
[23:16] <knome> brianp1992, :)
[23:17] <brianp1992> -when i upgraded to 10.10 ubuntu i realised that my system is too old for the os itself
[23:18] <mongy> Unit193: next time I reboot I'll remove them before I login and see how many appear.
[23:18] <Unit193> I have none.
[23:18] <brianp1992> #ubuntu
[23:18] <Unit193> No, this is #xubuntu
[23:19] <brianp1992> in new to this, is there a way to change channels?
[23:19] <Unit193> brianp1992: /join #ubuntu
[23:20] <mongy> the last one made 16:50 today. Thunar-20b501d96-25dd-4069-afe4-fc9aca0641ce
[23:20] <mongy> 23:23 now btw
[23:21] <mongy> 23:20
[23:21] <brianp1992> ahh okay i get it
[23:22] <mongy> don't leave us :'(
[23:22] <mongy> Unit193: ok am deleting them all
[23:23] <Unit193> I was kidding, but I have done it before... YMMV.
[23:23] <brianp1992> YMCMB
[23:24] <mongy> Unit193: thanks.. It took a while to delete them though.  265 x 0 bytes
[23:24] <brianp1992> so afer i finish installing it, is there a way in the teminal to set the root pasword?
[23:25] <Unit193> Err.. That's not actually supported.
[23:25] <brianp1992> so, i cant     sudo psword
[23:27] <brianp1992> so, i cant     sudo psword
[23:28] <brianp1992> well im restarting now, brb
[23:28] <valdur55> brianp1992, man passwd
[23:28] <knome> brianp1992, please do not enable the root account
[23:29] <Unit193> !root
[23:31] <mongy> ugh, the times I copy a lage file to my home or somewhwere, and it appears at like for example 92mb, when it's 2.8gb.. no matter how much I reload/refresh it stays at that.  I quite thunar and reload, bam there is it.
[23:32] <mongy> lage=large
[23:33] <knome> :<
[23:33] <Unit193> ls -lh and I use a mix of pcmanfm and thunar, both are good for different reasons.
[23:50] <mongy> I'm really not using 2 file managers like that.  meh