[09:40] <shadeslayer> hi,where can i find the cd wallet artwork for kubuntu?
[09:43] <shadeslayer> alvin: well youre more likely to get a response here :)
[09:55] <alvin> shadeslayer: Thank you, but I seem to have troubles with my cd burner/printer. I'll look into it later.
[09:56] <shadeslayer> alvin: ok :)
[12:48] <thorwil> http://www.ubuntu.org.uy/main/
[13:00] <lassegul> thorwil: im guessing you dont care, but it renders horribly in IE6 :P
[13:02] <thorwil> lassegul: tell them, i had nothing to do with that site. i just wonder how they can not notice the blue circle on orange ground bites and that the logo-type should be white
[13:05] <lassegul> oh snap
[13:12] <thorwil> that reminds me ...
[13:13] <thorwil> kwwii: why is it "Brand Guidelines" and not "Visual Identity Guidelines"?
[13:37] <kwwii> thorwil: not sure, I will forward that to the team
[13:37] <kwwii> thorwil: next week, during UDS, I am going to update the official artwork page
[13:38] <kwwii> include palettes for gimp and such, etc
[13:39] <thorwil> cool
[14:11] <vish> kwwii: hey , hows the weather there ? :)
[14:12] <thorwil> vish: you think he has time to go outside!? ;)
[14:12] <vish> i guess anywhere is gonna be chilly .. [coming from the tropics]  ;)
[14:12] <vish> thorwil: ha!
[14:13] <vish> thorwil: well atleast hope they dont freeze us indoors


[07:38] <davidcalle> Good morning o/
[07:47] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:00] <dpm> morning all o/
[08:01] <elfy> morning dpm
[08:01] <dpm> hey elfy
[08:02] <dpm> morning dholbach, quick q: what was the status of deploying the help app html to help.u.c?
[08:11] <popey> morning
[08:14] <dholbach> dpm, it's still blocked by IS - some part of help.u.c needs redeployment and some apache reconfiguration changes - they believe it's an "S" sized task, ("hopefully not 'M'")
[08:15] <dholbach> for some reason does xchat not save the backlog reliably or I'd give you Spads' exact words
[08:16] <popey> dholbach: which channel?
[08:16] <dholbach> #is
[08:17] <popey> cant see it.
[08:17] <popey> nvm
[08:28] <dpm> dholbach, thanks. Can you remind me about the RT number?
[08:33] <dholbach> sure
[08:34] <dholbach> I can't find the trello card though :)
[08:34] <dholbach> balloons, about the askubuntu integration: did we ever decide on what exactly needs to be done?
[08:34] <dholbach> it's not quite clear to me
[13:59]  * davidcalle grabs coffee before meeting
[14:01] <balloons> dholbach, ohh for askubuntu, umm.. We tentatively thought we would handle the offline more easily answerable questions, and then point folks at askubuntu for harder stuff. We *could* attempt to pull in tagged questions from askubuntu into the app, however I think I shied away from that idea
[14:03] <davidcalle> balloons, watch out for stackoverflow API rate limiting, the scope eventually failed because of that
[14:05] <balloons> davidcalle, ahh nice. Another reason to not pursue it
[14:11] <dholbach> balloons, can we massage this into a separate user story maybe?
[14:11] <dholbach> ... until we know what we exactly want to do?
[14:16] <balloons> dholbach, I'm thinking I don't want it anymore.. I would simply remove it
[14:17] <dholbach> let's!
[15:00]  * dholbach will be off to another hippie meeting in a bit
[15:08] <popey> \o/
[15:51] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:51] <dholbach> how's life over there?
[15:55] <dholbach> all right my friends... I call it a day - have a great weekend everyone!
[15:56] <popey> o/
[17:55] <czajkowski> popey: when on the phoen you go to Apps
[17:55] <czajkowski> why is the apps store at the bottom of the page
[17:55] <czajkowski> surely closer to the top would make more logical sense ?
[17:56] <popey> you can get to it various ways, that's just one
[17:56] <czajkowski> popey: one more q then I'll leave you be
[17:56] <popey> I suspect that will change
[17:56] <czajkowski> when you search for someething in the app store on the phone
[17:56] <czajkowski> and it's not there it doesnt tell you
[17:56] <czajkowski> just remains blank or am I missing something
[17:56] <czajkowski> went looking for kapman
[17:57] <czajkowski> but if you search for it - nothing is shown I'd expect to get some sort of this isn't here or app unknown
[18:00] <popey> lemme try
[18:01] <popey> I'll file a bug
[18:03] <czajkowski> popey: :)
[18:03] <czajkowski> thank you
[18:03] <czajkowski> popey: or join us at the pub where I can continue to find stuff
[18:03] <czajkowski> I'm nice like that
[18:03] <czajkowski> popey: one more I promise...
[18:03] <czajkowski> if I install an app in the SWC can I tweet out that I've it installed like a share this in a  way to tell people what app I'm using on my phone
[18:04] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+bug/1442750
[18:04] <popey> no, no way to do that right now
[18:04] <czajkowski> okie dokie thank you
[18:05] <czajkowski> I promise I'll stop now
[18:05] <czajkowski> I actually have time to play with the phone hence the questions
[18:05] <popey> hah
[18:05] <popey> feel free anytime
[18:06] <popey> if I am afk, poke me on telegram
[18:06] <czajkowski> oh not installed that
[18:06] <popey> its preinstalled on ubuntu phone :)
[18:06] <czajkowski> how do I add things to the side bar
[18:06] <czajkowski> as I really want to get more things there
[18:06] <czajkowski> to stop me wanting my back arrow
[18:06] <czajkowski> also why on the Toda screen does it keep asking me to review my google settings
[18:07] <czajkowski> popey: we need another co  working day where I can ask you questions
[18:07] <popey> heh
[18:08] <czajkowski> bah that's naff
[18:08] <czajkowski> you click telegram
[18:08] <czajkowski> and go hit your number for the country
[18:08] <czajkowski> and you have to scroll the whole way down
[18:08] <czajkowski> no way to enter it United to make it go to the bottom
[18:08] <czajkowski> no keyboard pop up :(
[18:08] <popey> or just type it in
[18:09] <popey> you don't have to scroll, just put 44 in the left box czajkowski
[18:09] <czajkowski> popey: come to the pup we're in the Drummond
[18:09] <popey> hah
[18:09] <czajkowski> tom dom niki and even Jon
[18:10] <popey> not sure I'm prepared for the abuse :)
[18:10] <czajkowski> welcome to my world!
[18:10] <czajkowski> tomorrow is loading the skip and dumoing the kitchen
[18:12] <popey> no pub for me tonight, sorry
[18:12] <popey> need to go out and get some nibbles and wine
[18:12] <czajkowski> popey: how do I make it scroll like you did
[18:12] <popey> make what scroll?
[18:12] <czajkowski> flip through apps like
[18:12] <czajkowski> horizontally
[18:12] <popey> pull in from the right
[18:12] <popey> from off the screen
[18:12] <czajkowski> gotcha
[18:16] <popey> click "skip and setup later" in today?
[18:18] <czajkowski> ahhh


[06:56] <demon_blade> Hello
[08:18] <kenta> hi
 Global theme = Deepinv20 dark. Application style = kvantum dark. Plasma style = Deepinv20 dark. Kvantum theme = McMojave. Window decorations = Rounded dark. Fonts = Open Sans. Icons = Kora. (re @kentaro_ohama: Share your themes 🥹)
 Thanks (re @Anarchotaoist: Global theme = Deepinv20 dark. Application style = kvantum dark. Plasma style = Deepinv20 dark. Kvantum theme = McMojave. Window decorations = Rounded dark. Fonts = Open Sans. Icons = Kora.)
 You're welcome.
 Yes. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LunarUpgrades/Kubuntu (re @trevantee: Is 23.04 stable yet and how can I update?)
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:06] <user|45> Hello everyone!
[14:06] <user|45> I did the installation of Kubuntu 23.04 and after that I can't install my Epson L375 printer.
[14:06] <user|45> Could someone help me?
[16:20] <Guest68> i have facing problem fro last update fro present window all desktop
[16:20] <Guest68> fro using cursor
[16:25] <Guest68> hi
[16:27] <Guest68> i have facing problem from last update for present windows all desktop not working for cursor use
[19:35] <demon_blade> can anyone help me with this? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/asfyJKL6/IMG_20230525_195726.jpg
[19:37] <demon_blade> While booting in my kubuntu system always get stuck on this. I have to enter safe mode to boot it properly can't fix the problem if some knows what to do please help.
[19:57] <tomreyn> demon_blade: let me repeat the questions i asked yesterday (on #ubuntu): which (k)ubuntu version are you using, how do you know your smbus is not working, which impact does it have to you, which hardware are you using, when did this problem start?
[19:59] <tomreyn> also, is the mainboard firmware up to date?   journalctl -b | grep DMI:
[20:02] <tomreyn> and which kernel are you using there?
[20:20] <tomreyn> blacklisting i2c_i801 or booting linux <5.15 may work around it.
[23:07] <Tazat> Help installing Zulu JDK 11 ????? double  click  on deb package nothing happens
[23:09] <Tazat> HOw do I get support for Kubuntu ??????
[23:12] <oerheks> Zulu JDK 11??
[23:14] <oerheks> not supported here, we give OpenJDK https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-lts/11.0.19+7~us1-0ubuntu1~22.04.1
[23:15] <oerheks> their page might give you a clue, good luck https://docs.azul.com/core/zulu-openjdk/install/debian
[23:16] <Tazat> It is no wonder folks HATE LINUX!!!!! cannot get support after you have followed all the instructions to install a program all I want to do is to install  open JDK 11 as it keeps telling me dependendcies screwed up never using Linux again think I might start a HATE Group somewhere
[23:19] <oerheks> Yes do that. hop distro and try again?
[23:19] <Tazat> Well Kubuntu sez htere is issue with dependencies
[23:20] <oerheks> you experience wonky install issues. ask those zulu guys for support?
[23:21] <Tazat> U know as WizBang great as Linux is supose to be  cant they make the install and unistall simpler  than all this comand line crap
[23:23] <oerheks> we support only packages from our repos, as they work fine.
[23:23] <oerheks> you can rant whatever you want, but please not here.


[10:43] <Ingmar^> i'm having some issues with the cpu frequency modules not loading correctly
[10:43] <Ingmar^> anyone able to help ?
[10:43] <Ingmar^> running an Intel Pentium M 1.6 gHz


[08:56] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:31] <SuperMatt> morning
[09:31] <SuperMatt> It's friday, and that means you ought to be slacking
[09:34] <brobostigon> morning
[09:34] <brobostigon> and no friday afterwork pub visit either considering the weather.
[09:35] <SuperMatt> I don't know why one precludes t'other
[09:36] <brobostigon> good point.
[10:15] <zmoylan-pi> because walking home tipsy or drunk in this weather is how to earn a darwin award?
[10:17] <SuperMatt> Well, there is that
[10:18] <zmoylan-pi> fix your connection daftykins
[10:18] <Nafallo> there's a darwin award?!
[10:18] <zmoylan-pi> amuse yourself and have a read of people who made the gene pool a little deeper by removing themselves from it...
[10:19] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.darwinawards.com/
[10:19] <zmoylan-pi> there was even a movie that used some of the funnier stories to make a larger one...
[10:19] <brobostigon> https://www.findapprenticeship.service.gov.uk/apprenticeship/-226180 i think the wage there is too good to be true, or a genuine mistake.
[10:20] <zmoylan-pi> that's probably the secret rate for governments idiot off spring...
[10:20] <brobostigon> lol.
[10:22] <Nafallo> going home from a pub in your mild weather wouldn't do that, zmoylan-pi ;-)
[10:23] <diddledan> "Bionic is now in Feature Freeze."
[10:46] <foobarry> sourceforge not holding up by DDOS as well as github
[17:18] <zmoylan-pi> looks like everyone is out playing in the snow...
[17:19]  * brobostigon isnt.
[17:19] <zmoylan-pi> no, it's true, i saw loads of folk pulling sleds out there...
[17:20] <brobostigon> as i have i seen similar pictures.
[17:20] <brobostigon> as have i*
[17:22] <zmoylan-pi> i went out for my daily walk in it... only half my daily walk mind as 1) it's freezing 2) there are eejits driving out there who should be allowed anything more powerful than a rc car 3) snow making some places very hard to get to
[17:22] <brobostigon> shouldnt be allowed?
[17:23] <zmoylan-pi> *shouldn't
[17:23] <zmoylan-pi> thank
[17:23] <zmoylan-pi> thanks
[17:23] <brobostigon> :)
[17:23] <zmoylan-pi> hands are still numb
[17:23] <brobostigon> i can imagine.
[18:13] <Azelphur> I been out playing pokemon go, enjoying it myself, it's really pretty down here in Margate
[18:13]  * zmoylan-pi counts the amount of stroopwafels i have left...
[20:19] <zmoylan-pi> hurray... the outside temp has gone up... to 0c :-)
[20:22] <brobostigon> :)
[20:27] <diddledan> my heating is bubbered
[20:27] <diddledan> it's 17C in here right now


[15:18] <riskyexpert> hello does anyone here use docker and iptables I need some help with an ubuntu server
[15:36] <tomreyn> riskyexpert: if you have questions regarding ubuntu (less so, docker), just ask your actual question
[15:36] <tomreyn> "don't ask to ask" is a common response


[00:30] <ahoneybun> mhall119: I'm guessing even you can't get a N7 from Canoncial?
[01:14] <mhall119> Garheade: video response time is good, but the mouse movement is a big buggy at the moment
[01:14] <mhall119> ahoneybun: not a 2013 N7, no
[01:15] <ahoneybun> yea I thought so
[11:55] <ahoneybun> jck77: https://plus.google.com/events/cpk376llqdu9mie0cnb02vkgut8 ; https://plus.google.com/events/cv9uesusd553k38dsodvdpta7sk
[13:42] <jck77> morning


[07:09] <ara> morning :-)
[08:01] <eeejay> howdy ara
[08:01] <ara> morning eeejay
[08:02] <eeejay> ara: i didn't understand the Buddy derivative thing, but it doesn't really matter
[08:03] <ara> eeejay: ok :)
[08:14] <eeejay> ara: ok, i get it now :)
[08:28] <eeejay> ara: here is what i am thinking about, specifically
[08:28] <eeejay> ara: http://paste2.org/p/242046
[08:30] <ara> eeejay: looks nice! a solution in between ;-) very diplomatic
[08:30] <ara> morning jcollado
[08:31] <eeejay> ara: thanks :)
[08:31] <eeejay> morning jcollado
[14:21] <MDMonster_> hello everone
[14:21] <MDMonster_> *everyone
[15:21] <eeejay> ara?
[15:21] <ara> hey eeejay
[15:21] <eeejay> hi ara. i am about to push a bunch of changes
[15:22] <ara> eeejay: cool
[15:22] <eeejay> ara: I almost got the MSN suite working too..
[15:22] <ara> eeejay: hehehe
[15:22] <ara> eeejay: almost¿?
[15:22] <eeejay> ara: it was my first attempt!
[15:23] <ara> eeejay: wow!
[15:24] <eeejay> pushed
[15:24] <ara> eeejay: cool, thanks! I will continue tomorrow with the msn suite
[15:24] <ara> eeejay: ta!
[15:25] <eeejay> ara: ta ta. the notify suite will need an update, too
[15:25] <ara> eeejay: ok, I will have a look as well


[02:00] <mup> Bug #1457708 was opened: Prostack: all pipelines hit with 400 BAD REQUEST error <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457708>
[08:31] <mup> Bug #1457783 was opened: UI: Missing padding in error message <ui> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457783>
[08:43] <mup> Bug #1457783 changed: UI: Missing padding in error message <ui> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457783>
[08:49] <mup> Bug #1457783 was opened: UI: Missing padding in error message <ui> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457783>
[08:49] <mup> Bug #1457786 was opened: Test suite runs sudo commands <tests> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457786>
[08:49] <mup> Bug #1457788 was opened: Restarting maas-regiond and maas-clusterd fills the logs with stacktraces <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457788>
[09:31] <mup> Bug #1457799 was opened: UnknownRemoteError causes cluster to disconnect <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457799>
[13:10] <mup> Bug #1457499 changed: MAAS UI showing Wily images as 'wily' instead of as '15.10' <MAAS:Invalid> <maas (Ubuntu):Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457499>
[13:10] <mup> Bug #1457879 was opened: UnknownRemoteError: Code<UNKNOWN>: Unknown Error raised when calling update_host_maps  <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457879>
[14:26] <mup> Bug #1457921 was opened: virsh probe-and-enlist does not set boot order <MAAS:In Progress by mpontillo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457921>
[14:38] <mup> Bug #1457921 changed: virsh probe-and-enlist does not set boot order <MAAS:In Progress by mpontillo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457921>
[14:50] <mup> Bug #1359143 changed: Upstream DNS should be determined by MAAS regiond package install script <dns> <feature> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1359143>
[14:50] <mup> Bug #1457921 was opened: virsh probe-and-enlist does not set boot order <MAAS:In Progress by mpontillo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457921>
[17:14] <mup> Bug #1457990 was opened: Transition from New -> Commissioning should throw an error if node power is on <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457990>


[09:49] <CIA-9> pkgsel: cjwatson * r143 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog postinst):
[09:49] <CIA-9> pkgsel: Add support for setting pkgsel/language-packs to "ALL", to install
[09:49] <CIA-9> pkgsel: everything available on the installation media (LP: #371470).
[09:50] <CIA-9> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3263 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py):
[09:50] <CIA-9> ubiquity: Add support for setting pkgsel/language-packs to "ALL", to install
[09:50] <CIA-9> ubiquity: everything available on the installation media.
[09:50] <CIA-9> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3264 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog ubiquity.install-any): Install block-attr from debian-installer-utils 1.68.
[09:51] <CIA-9> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3265 ubiquity/debian/changelog: bug closure for pkgsel/language-packs change
[09:52] <baba_> hi, thanks cj for email reply
[09:53] <baba_> im working on it...
[12:02] <twb> A RHEL weenie was telling me recently how it's a great thing that the RHEL installer will ask you ALL the questions up front, and then do all the work
[12:02] <twb> This means you can answer questions then go to lunch, instead of having five minutes of waiting here and there
[12:02] <twb> Are there any plans to do something along those lines in d-i?
[12:05] <soren> Is it possible (using preseeding) to avoid installing recommends by default in the installed system?
[12:06] <cjwatson> twb: Not as such. We try to ask questions as early as possible when we can, but asking *everything* up-front would be a total rearchitecture.
[12:06] <twb> cjwatson: that's what I figured.
[12:06] <cjwatson> soren: Only by writing out apt configuration from one of the general scripting hooks.
[12:06] <twb> Ooh, good idea.
[12:07] <twb> I was gonna just say "run aptitude -R in the post-command"
[12:07] <soren> cjwatson: That's what I figured. Would you be opposed to adding a hook to do it from apt-setup (or whereever you feel it belongs)?
[12:07] <cjwatson> soren: apt-setup would be OK, I think
[12:07] <soren> twb: I mean by default.
[12:07] <cjwatson> though I'd prefer to run that through Debian
[12:08] <twb> Right now u-server has a 20 minute gap at one point, installing the base packages.  Then there's a few more questions before it installs stuff from the net.  That's a kinda sucky delay.
[12:08] <soren> cjwatson: Does Debian install recommends by default these days?
[12:08] <cjwatson> soren: yes
[12:08] <soren> Oh. I didn't realise.
[12:08] <cjwatson> twb: that's mainly apt-setup. It would be possible to pull that back, I think - it just needs some work
[12:08] <twb> Perhaps because the "base" is much bigger for ubuntu-standard than in Debian?
[12:08] <cjwatson> well, no, we know that that particular case is awkward in Debian too
[12:09] <twb> Fair enough.
[12:09] <cjwatson> the technical reason it's like that right now is that some of the bits of apt-setup's interaction require apt to be available
[12:09] <cjwatson> which means that at the moment the base system has to be installed
[12:09] <cjwatson> we'd need to split it into two pieces
[12:10] <cjwatson> I think there's an Ubuntu bug for that - it's certainly a back-burner thing I've wanted to fix for a while
[12:10] <soren> cjwatson: The use case is JeOS (aka "Minimal install"). It's a bit of a stretch to call it "Just enough Operating System" or "Minimal install", when it's really quite a bit more than that.
[12:10] <cjwatson> soren: sure, I think it's entirely reasonable to want to turn it off there
[12:10] <twb> BTW, who decides (and how) what packages are hard (Depends) and soft (Recommends) dependencies in ubuntu-minimal and -standard metapackages?
[12:10] <cjwatson> twb: core developers
[12:10] <soren> cjwatson: Great, that was going to be my next question. :)
[12:11] <twb> soren: minimal install is what debootstrap gives you.  Unless you want a kernel and bootloader, too? ;-)
[12:11] <cjwatson> twb: the general philosophy is described in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.karmic/revision/912
[12:11] <twb> Thanks.
[12:12] <soren> twb: I'm thinking "Minimal install" as offered by the installer's "F4 menu".
[12:12] <cjwatson> we try to avoid Recommends in minimal, since debootstrap doesn't really implement Recommends handling in the same way as everything else
[12:12] <twb> cjwatson: that seems to be about the -desktop metapackage?
[12:12] <cjwatson> in fact we have no recommends in minimal right now
[12:12] <cjwatson> twb: the general idea is the same
[12:12] <twb> OK.
[12:13] <twb> I remember now!
[12:13] <twb> I was annoyed because ubuntu-standard pulled in udev, which was annoying in my OpenVZ virtual environment.
[12:13] <cjwatson> I don't think there'll be much support for moving udev to Recommends. Too much of the world relies on it now.
[12:13] <twb> No, it was klogd that was the most annoying one, because it just hung inside the VE
[12:14] <cjwatson> I wonder if rsyslog will be happier
[12:14] <twb> I basically wanted to be able to say "just give me a standard-y install base... but not the stuff for running on real hardware!"
[12:14] <twb> It doesn't really matter, because I knew how to mangle around such things with e.g. policy-rc.d
[12:15] <cjwatson> really, our approach should be for the packages needed on real hardware to not break in virtual environments
[12:15] <cjwatson> it works out a lot simpler in the long run
[12:15] <twb> cjwatson: oh definitely :-)
[12:16] <twb> "Bzzt! I am in a VE, so I will noop."
[12:19] <cjwatson> always complicated by virtual environments usually deliberately making it hard to tell whether you're in one or not, of course
[12:22] <twb> Hehe
[12:22] <twb> Could at least check for /proc/user_beancounters, for OpenVZ
[12:23] <twb> Or the uname for Xen?
[12:23] <twb> No /proc fucks up the Sun Java installer royally, because it relies on /proc/self/exe :-///
[12:23] <cjwatson> well, that's the problem, you have to go round whackamoling every single case
[12:23] <twb> Yeah, true
[12:23] <cjwatson> better, if possible, to try to fail gracefully if hardware appears to not be there
[12:24] <twb> Having said that, most stuff does full (para-)virtualization except xen and openvz.
[12:24] <twb> Possibly even xen
[12:25] <twb> But with OpenVZ you can *see* e.g. /dev/sda or /proc/kmem, and root appears to own it, but you can't open it.
[12:25] <twb> I'll be happier when we can roll out KVM here...
[13:09] <twb> Another thing I just noticed
[13:09] <twb> When I hit F6 and change/add vga=790 instead of splash, in an ubuntu-server install...
[13:09] <twb> I add it AFTER the -- arg.  Isn't that supposed to make it end up in grub's menu.lst?
[13:10] <twb> (This is with 8.04.2.)
[13:13] <cjwatson> vga= is explicitly filtered out because it used to be added by gfxboot by default in some cases, and most people using it just in order to make the installer look better don't realise that it breaks suspend/resume
[13:14] <twb> Ah, I didn't know that, either, since I tend not to suspend my servers :-)
[13:14] <twb> Is video=vesafb also filtered out?
[13:23] <twb> cjwatson: is video=vesafb also filtered out?
[13:27] <cjwatson> no (which may or may not be a mistake, but the relevant bit here historically is that gfxboot never added that option)
[13:28] <cjwatson> twb: suspending servers is getting increasingly popular as people realise that their datacentres have small cities' worth of electricity requirements, so I think if anything it deserves increasing consideration
[13:31] <twb> Eheh, my servers provide services to inmates.
[13:31] <twb> Suspended server --> riots, or so I'm told.
[13:32] <twb> Could probably go off overnight, though...
[13:33] <cjwatson> wake-on-LAN may be your friend
[13:33] <twb> Boy, that would make my boss's head spin
[13:33] <soren> twb: It's usually used if you have many identical machines to handle peak load, but only need a few during off hours.
[13:33] <twb> PXE boot roms in the clients waking up the server, which DHCPACKs them
[13:33] <twb> soren: nod.
[14:04] <Daviey> or use nvram-wakeup
[14:05] <Daviey> (if compatiable)
[14:33] <shtylman> cjwatson: when will the grub2 move be made? early on like alpha2? or later in the cycle? (and what will happend to those that have installed karmic with grub1 (from alpha1) and just do a basic apt-get dist-upgrade? will that go smoothly or do they have to reinstall
[14:33] <cjwatson> fairly early on, I hope - I was just looking at the merge
[14:34] <cjwatson> people who are already running grub1 will get the usual grub2 upgrade path - you get an extra menu item letting you chain-load grub2, and explaining how to upgrade permanently if you want
[14:37] <shtylman> gotcha...was just curious :)
[14:38]  * cjwatson -> slightly buried in merges
[15:06] <CIA-9> user-setup: cjwatson * r179 ubuntu/ (74 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 1.26
[15:14] <CIA-9> user-setup: cjwatson * r180 ubuntu/debian/ (68 files in 2 dirs):
[15:14] <CIA-9> user-setup: Rearrange our templates file to put all Ubuntu-specific entries at the
[15:14] <CIA-9> user-setup: end, to simplify future merges.
[15:18] <CIA-9> user-setup: cjwatson * r181 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog functions.sh):
[15:18] <CIA-9> user-setup: Drop compatibility for passwd/allow-password-empty, as promised in the
[15:18] <CIA-9> user-setup: changelog for 1.23ubuntu14.
[15:35] <CIA-9> usb-creator: rgreening * r101 usb-creator/ (12 files in 7 dirs):
[15:35] <CIA-9> usb-creator: Initial work to begin KDE interface for usb-creator. Not usable at this point.
[15:35] <CIA-9> usb-creator: Major re-write of kde_frontend.py (pure copy of gtk_frontend.py) will be required.
[15:43] <CIA-9> usb-creator: rgreening * r102 usb-creator/debian/rules: Fix rules file. supposed to add -kde not -gtk
[17:39] <CIA-9> user-setup: cjwatson * r182 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.26ubuntu1


[09:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rikmills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4944 Diff missing (lunar/bismuth, lunar/calibre, lunar/kopeninghours, lunar/kpipewire, lunar/kronometer, lunar/qcoro, lunar/telegram-desktop). Failed to build (lunar/maliit-framework, lunar/qt6ct). Proposed pocket (lunar/plasma-wayland-protocols)
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[09:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- costamagnagianfranco, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4945 Generating diffs
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[05:44] <valorie> Scarlett is asleep in my guestroom, logging off here to do backups
[05:44] <valorie> see some of you soon!
[06:25] <soee> hi, any idea why driver management just loding and nothing more ?
[06:25] <soee> after upgrad 14.04 -> 14.10
[06:26] <soee> also i had to switch to kdm because lightdm did not start :) and now i have very low resolution
[06:35] <soee> ok driver reinstall and all works now just fine
[06:37] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:58] <alvin> Akonadi is bugging me https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=338186 I can no longer see mail since KDE 4.14. Is there a similar report in Launchpad, or is this the only official bug tracker? (I'm mainly interested in a 'when' it could be fixed.)
[09:58] <Riddell> alvin: if it's an upstream bug then bugs.kde.org is the place to put it, is there a reason why it might be kubuntu specific?
[09:59] <alvin> No. Nobody changed the title. It's not Kubuntu specific
[10:00] <alvin> It depends on the IMAP server. Courier in this case. (But the bug is still in Akonadi)
[10:00] <alvin> I was wondering why no new mail arrived (without any error or indication). Recreated the IMAP account. Still no visible errors, but a list of empty folders.
[10:22]  * Riddell blogs off topic https://blogs.kde.org/2014/09/02/should-scotland-be-independent-country
[10:26] <apachelogger> do I get to vote?
[10:28] <Riddell> sorry, deadline for registering was yesterday, but we'll welcome all in a shiny new Scotland
[10:30] <apachelogger> why if scotland stops using funny money I'll totally feel inclined to at the very least visit some day
[10:31] <yofel> lets all go on a golfing and whisky testing tour then ^^
[10:31] <Riddell> we can but hope
[10:31] <Riddell> yofel: really our canoeing and irn bru tours are far more interesting
[10:31] <yofel> heh
[10:32] <apachelogger> yofel made me sad :'(
[10:32] <apachelogger> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQFbFOLWIHY
[10:34] <yofel> now I'm sad too :'(
[10:35]  * yofel goes back to watching ancient dr. who episodes
[11:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/ubiquity/plasma5
[11:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8214494/
[11:26] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1182784 for your SRU pleasure
[11:31]  * Peace- goes back to watching kenshiro lol
[11:46] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:27] <ScottK> Riddell: Can you find someone to verify Bug #1358291?
[13:15] <Riddell> !testers | bug 1358291 on trusty
[13:17] <BluesKaj> sorry, no trusty here
[13:17] <yofel> no time till the weekend for anything
[13:22] <ScottK> Riddell: For your Ubiquity SRU, (I just looked at the diff) are you sure it only affects the KDE frontend?  It's not in a KDE specific file.
[13:24] <soee> and i just yesterday did upgrade to 14.10 here @ work :)
[13:25] <Riddell> ScottK: it does yes, it's in the PageKDE class
[13:26] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[13:27] <ScottK> Riddell: Accepted.
[13:29] <ovidiu-florin> Saw on G+ there's help needed in verifing bugfixes
[13:30] <ovidiu-florin> what's it about?
[13:31] <ScottK> ovidiu-florin: Bug #1358291 is one need.
[13:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: lp:~rohangarg/ubiquity/plasma5
[14:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: why does kdesu need to be hijacked by kdesudo?
[14:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: have you built in sudo support already?
[14:17] <apachelogger> KDEInit could not launch '':
[14:17] <apachelogger> Could not open library '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkdeinit5_'.
[14:17] <apachelogger> Cannot load library /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkdeinit5_: (/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkdeinit5_.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
[14:17] <apachelogger> dawhat now
[14:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: install synaptic, try to start synaptic from menu
[14:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ScottK apachelogger yofel any reservations to  pushing new pkg-kde-tools
[14:25] <shadeslayer> with magic scripts for frameworks
[14:26] <shadeslayer> see https://github.com/shadeslayer/pkg-kde-tools/tree/kubuntu-kf5
[14:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes, wait until tomorrow as to not break the CP stage I am doing
[14:26] <Riddell> magic scripts?
[14:26] <apachelogger> also, I hope the new version doesn't break things :P
[14:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but it won't
[14:26] <shadeslayer> or I hope it wont
[14:26] <shadeslayer> :p
[14:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah, perl is magic
[14:27] <shadeslayer> dontcha know
[14:27] <shadeslayer> :p
[14:27] <shadeslayer> how else would you explain https://github.com/shadeslayer/pkg-kde-tools/blob/kubuntu-kf5/qt-kde-team/3/dhmk.pl#L179
[14:28] <apachelogger> "Perl is a molotov cocktail, it was probably useful once, but few people use it now."
[14:29] <shadeslayer> lol
[14:29] <apachelogger> http://bjorn.tipling.com/if-programming-languages-were-weapons
[14:30] <Quintasan> Riddell: Done, I was able to reproduce the bug and the -proposed version fixes it. Leaving a comment
[14:31] <yofel> ahahaha, that list is epic XD
[14:31] <apachelogger> much wisdom
[14:31] <Quintasan> >c++
[14:31] <Quintasan> kek
[14:31] <Riddell> Quintasan: yay, which one?
[14:32] <Quintasan> bug 1358291
[14:32] <Quintasan> >python
[14:32] <Quintasan> wow
[14:32] <shadeslayer> "Rust is a 3d printed gun. It may work some day."
[14:32] <Quintasan> this is the most accurate description of python
[14:32] <Quintasan> >ruby
[14:32] <Quintasan> kek
[14:32] <Quintasan> we should use it
[14:32] <Quintasan> It's shiny!
[14:33] <apachelogger> we do
[14:33] <Quintasan> Not enough it seems
[14:33] <apachelogger> we're plenty shiny
[14:33] <apachelogger> we'll even be using java soon
[14:33] <apachelogger> all hail java
[14:34] <yofel> all hail the NullPointerException \o/
[14:34] <Quintasan> Not enough it seems.
[14:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: bug 1364432 and bug 1364429 reported
[14:38] <Quintasan> >Harald / When I am not drunk / yes / XL
[14:39] <Quintasan> As expected
[14:41] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: are you coming to Akademy
[14:42] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Not really, no monies and even if I had some I want to get my studies back on track since I failed some courses and I don't want to drag this longer than necessary
[14:42] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: we have something called sponsorship
[14:42] <shadeslayer> also, wat @ failed courses
[14:42] <shadeslayer> how do you even pass a Engineering degree without failing exams
[14:42] <shadeslayer> that's a given
[14:43] <yofel> I've heard rumours that some people manage to do that ^^
[14:43] <Quintasan> So yeah, I want to get back on track with that, it's a pain in the ass to be honest.
[14:43] <Quintasan> But better finish what I started
[14:43] <Quintasan> I'm at in my third year anyways, it would be a waste to stop now.
[14:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: don't exist
[14:43] <yofel> they do, but they're a strange kind
[14:44] <yofel> Quintasan: FWIW, I quit after 2 years, it's never too late :P
[14:44] <Quintasan> I'd never hear the end of it from my parents
[14:44] <Quintasan> This semester I have web applications
[14:44] <shadeslayer> rooby
[14:44] <yofel> ahahaha, "enjoy" :D
[14:44] <Quintasan> If we are doing this in PHP then I will have to stab someone.
[14:45] <shadeslayer> rooby it
[14:45] <shadeslayer> make rooby generate PHP
[14:45] <Quintasan> Yes, I'm going to ruby this.
[14:45] <Quintasan> Like padrino or sinatra
[14:45] <Quintasan> Or anything else but PHP.
[14:45] <yofel> well, you *can* write sane things in PHP (which pretty accurately describes the sanity of the language)
[14:47] <Quintasan> Maybe you can write sane things but how the interpreter works in an entirely different thing lol
[14:48] <Quintasan> yofel: I'm assuming you read PHP: A fractal of bad design?
[14:49] <yofel> sure, that's one of the first things you should read before using that... language
[14:50] <Quintasan> So there you go.
[14:50] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: What's up with sddm?
[14:50] <Quintasan> Did it get anywhere?
[14:50] <shadeslayer> not really
[14:50] <shadeslayer> Lisandro sent me some issues
[14:50] <shadeslayer> I fixed them
[14:50] <shadeslayer> then haven't bothered checking up
[14:50] <Quintasan> We're past feature freeze anyways I think
[14:51] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: We should get it asap in 15.04 I think
[14:51] <yofel> all of next goes into the archive in 15.04
[14:51] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8215922/
[14:51] <shadeslayer> what yofel said
[14:52] <yofel> is anyone working on a qt5 touchpad kcm?
[14:52] <shadeslayer> not that I know of
[14:52] <yofel> bummer
[14:53] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Where is the packaging at?
[14:53] <Quintasan> I might be able to work on it if you don't already have plans for it.
[14:53] <shadeslayer> bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/sddm
[14:53] <Quintasan> k
[15:05] <apachelogger> Quintasan: isn't wroclaw rather close to brno?
[15:06] <apachelogger> what's it, like 4 hours?
[15:06] <Quintasan> apachelogger: 4 hours
[15:07] <apachelogger> Quintasan: go to brno on friday afternoon and back on sunday afternoon? :P
[15:07] <apachelogger> you'd of course miss the sunday drinkfest ;)
[15:12] <shadeslayer> drinkfest!
[15:12] <shadeslayer> we have a drinkfest?
[15:13] <apachelogger> isn't there always a drinkfest
[15:15] <yofel> I'm pretty sure someone will ogranise one if there isn't yet
[15:15] <shadeslayer> don't see drinkfest https://akademy.kde.org/2014/program
[15:15] <shadeslayer> but ok
[15:15] <shadeslayer> I believe you apachelogger
[16:27] <BogdanOlar> Hello! I'd like to report a bug; am I on the right channel to ask some questions about the process?
[16:28] <shadeslayer> BogdanOlar: syre
[16:28] <shadeslayer> *sure
[16:28] <shadeslayer> depends on the bug
[16:29] <BogdanOlar> Specifically, if I use the Input Devices > Touchpad > Enable/Disable Touchpad > "Disable touchpad when mouse is plugged in"  option, the computer will always restart with the touchpad disabled, regardless if a mouse is plugged in or not
[16:30] <BogdanOlar> I'm thinking of submitting this bug to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=kde-touchpad
[16:30] <BogdanOlar> but I'm not sure I've got hte right package
[16:30] <BogdanOlar> (kde-touchpad)
[16:55] <shadeslayer> pft
[17:36] <shadeslayer> yofel: yo
[17:37] <shadeslayer> yofel: know anything about configuring email stuff on servers
[17:38] <ScottK> shadeslayer: What's up?
[17:38] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I want my script to send off emails about patches missing dep 3 headers
[17:38] <shadeslayer> any clue how to configure qa.kubuntu.co.uk to do that
[17:38] <ScottK> Does it already have a working mail server on it?
[17:38] <shadeslayer> it has exim4 installed
[17:38] <shadeslayer> no clue if it works
[17:39] <ScottK> Doesn't seem to, not from the outside anyway.
[17:40] <ScottK> What's the server running on?  Ubuntu/Debian?
[17:40] <shadeslayer> Debian
[17:41] <ScottK> Do you have root on the box?
[17:42] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yep
[17:42] <ScottK> As long as you are confident nothing else is using the exim4 install, let's switch it to postfix.  I can help you with that.
[17:43] <shadeslayer> not that I know of
[17:43] <shadeslayer> but lets ask first
[17:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: Riddell apachelogger any opposition ^^
[17:46] <shadeslayer> ScottK: we can do it tomorrow if you have time
[17:46] <shadeslayer> I'm toot tired right now
[17:46] <shadeslayer> so cya tomorrow
[17:46] <ScottK> OK.  I will likely be around.
[17:50] <apachelogger> yarr
[17:50] <apachelogger> me mates, the frameworks be broken
[17:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: pingsies
[17:51] <apachelogger> no one ever is here when I need em
[17:52]  * apachelogger throws arms up in the air and runs off
[18:14] <yofel> shadeslayer: postfix should do the job just fine


[09:56] <CIA-97> ubiquity: evand * r4124 ubiquity.maverick-redesign/ (22 files in 6 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[09:56] <CIA-97> ubiquity: Initial commit of the maverick redesign work.
[09:56] <CIA-97> ubiquity:  - Add a prepare page.
[09:56] <CIA-97> ubiquity:  - Create a installation progress section in the main UI file.
[09:56] <CIA-97> ubiquity:  - Created a title section in the main UI file.
[09:56] <CIA-97> ubiquity:  - Titles are set by declaring plugin_title in each plugin.
[09:56] <CIA-97> ubiquity:  - Remove the window size hacks. We're aiming for a single window size that
[14:06] <davmor2> ev: out of interest what is it with the wifi stuff?
[14:07] <ev> you mean why am I doing it?
[14:09] <davmor2> ev: Yeap
[14:10] <ev> davmor2: the installer redesign specification calls for a wireless network page.  It's quite helpful to have an Internet connection while installing, and not everyone is plugged into an ethernet cable
[14:11] <ev> the installer will hit the Internet for figuring out your timezone via geoip, looking up a timezone by town name via the geonames database, downloading updates released since this version of Ubuntu, and downloading langpacks as always
[14:12] <davmor2> ev okay that makes sense :)
[14:13] <ev> we'll also have the network manager applet there, as we're putting a panel in the installer session
[14:13] <ev> either when someone finishes upanel, or when I get around to writing one (assuming gnome-panel is too bloated)
[14:40] <CIA-97> ubiquity: evand * r4125 maverick-redesign/ubiquity/gtkwidgets.py: Add a GreyableBin container that uses client side windows to create a greyed-out effect.
[15:03] <CIA-97> ubiquity: evand * r4126 maverick-redesign/ubiquity/gtkwidgets.py:
[15:03] <CIA-97> ubiquity: * Add CellRendererPixbufWithOverlay (does what it says on the tin).
[15:03] <CIA-97> ubiquity: * Add WirelessWidget, which talks to the WirelessManager service over dbus.
[15:06] <CIA-97> ubiquity: evand * r4127 maverick-redesign/bin/ubiquity-wireless-manager: Add the WirelessManager dbus service.


[11:33] <Ignacio> !ubuntu
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[11:33] <Ignacio> Hi?