[18:06] <Fanshawe> I think I've found the problem. I need to install wacom-tools.
[18:06] <Fanshawe> But it is not in any of my repos?
[18:07] <wilee-nilee> klaxtr, Actually the sda2 is to big for a boot, so just move the flag to sda1, and you should be okay, The swap is showing as unknow is this due to a encryoted setuo?
[18:07] <wilee-nilee> encrypted*
[18:07] <klaxtr> how can i know that?... to know if its encrypted
[18:09] <klaxtr> sda2 is for OS, in any case i want to try some othe distro
[18:09] <wilee-nilee> klaxtr, You would know if you encrypted it, it is a extra process to do that. I would remake the swap by just clicking on it and remake the swap, do not delete it first as it will change the partition number.
[18:09] <chinneseproduct> am looking for LAMP installation aid anybody with knowledge about it
[18:13] <chinneseproduct> am looking for LAMP installation aid anybody with knowledge about it
[18:14] <jrib> !lamp | chinneseproduct
[18:14] <cj_all_the_way> hi there! i have a fat32 formatted usb stick that i'd like to mount manually. it's listed as /dev/sdc. there is, however, no partition /dev/sdc1
[18:14] <chinneseproduct> yes jrib
[18:14] <cj_all_the_way> any ideas how to mount the stick?
[18:14] <chinneseproduct> jrib, yes am i
[18:14] <jrib> chinneseproduct: follow that wiki page
[18:15] <chinneseproduct> jrib, there is an error
[18:16] <jrib> chinneseproduct: use http://paste.ubuntu.com to show us the error (include the command you ran)
[18:16] <chinneseproduct> jrib, wait am pasting them to bin
[18:17] <TheLordOfTime> jrib, ping?
[18:17] <jrib> TheLordOfTime: ?
[18:17] <TheLordOfTime> see privmsg
[18:18] <chinneseproduct> jrib, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1268118/
[18:18] <midnightcoffee> so, randomly chrome flash videos/audio will start playing really fast and at the same time mozilla flash videos will become choppy. Anyone experience this?
[18:19] <doomlord> is it possible to enter unicode characters in gedit
[18:19] <chinneseproduct> some sort of backbiting in this channel i detect it  don't  see me as fool
[18:23] <adac> how to stream audio (output) with darkice? any ideas? currently darkice is streaming my micro input instead of the sound output
[18:24] <pfifo> doomlord, ctrl+alt+shift+u
[18:25] <DX099> hello all, is there some ongoing problem with ubuntu repos servers ?
[18:26] <TheLordOfTime> DX099, last i checked, which was a few hours ago, no... what issues're you having?
[18:26] <DX099> ah solved
[18:27] <DX099> aptitude has been unable to hit on some ubuntu servers
[18:27] <DX099> it just did fine second I was posting
[18:28] <TheLordOfTime> heh
[18:28] <DX099> it also couldn't resolve "extras.ubuntu.com", although a ping command issued some seconds later showed that the computer could do that perfectly...
[18:30] <jdawg2> can anyone help me figure out why my virtual midi board wont play sound
[18:31] <jdawg2> please help
[18:31] <yxkvast> i do not log in a emesene when i try
[18:32] <michagogo> yxkvast: I see you made it in.
[18:32] <yxkvast> i have tried with wrong password and then it show error, but when typing the correct password is just loading
[18:32] <yxkvast> michaelni:  yes
[18:34] <yxkvast> i just installed "emesene" but i dont like to log in, but it does not reject, just starts to load and loop
[18:34] <yxkvast> why is that ?
[18:34] <yxkvast> anyone?
[18:34] <truexfan81> does apt-get autoremove serve any purpose other than to break stuff?
[18:34] <truexfan81> sigh
[18:36] <DX099>  it was a flash update, don't know its purpose but certainly doesn't fix inverted colours mess
[18:37] <aguadito> DX099, ?
[18:37] <DX099> truexfan81, sorry, I use aptitude, can't help you. I have the feeling it handles dependencies a little better than apt-get
[18:38] <DX099> aguadito, ah, I was talking to TheLordofTime, but looks like he's gone
[18:38] <postgres_user234> i am wondering if postgres 9.2 is going to be coming to the offical repo for 12.04 any time soon
[18:38] <postgres_user234> thansk
[18:38] <yxkvast> it is still loading
[18:39] <yxkvast> doesnt emesene work?
[18:40] <Cheery> how to change keyboard layout through terminal?
[18:40] <jrib> Cheery: in X?  setxkbmap
[18:40] <truexfan81> DX099: it broke my deluge torrent client, it says it can't find module "web"
[18:41] <doomlord> can ubuntu bind key combinations to chords eg for unicode input (i've seen ctrl-shift-u00ab work.. would be nice to bind ctrl-alt-  to that or something)
[18:41] <jrib> doomlord: yes I think there's some way, though using a compose key or dead key is probably saner
[18:42] <DX099> truexfan81, did you try "apt-get check deluge" ?
[18:43] <Cheery> jrib: how to change it back once I'm done?
[18:43] <truexfan81> wasn't aware of that command, will try it
[18:43] <jrib> Cheery: run it again with a different argument?
[18:43] <jrib> doomlord: ctrl-shift-u seems to be the default sequence for gtk
[18:43] <truexfan81> DX099: doesn't report anything
[18:43] <Cheery> jrib: no, I don't know what keyboard layout specifically I have.
[18:44] <Cheery> except that it's swedish dvorak
[18:44] <jrib> Cheery: but you've changd it already?
[18:44] <Cheery> nah
[18:44] <jrib> Cheery: setxkbmap -query
[18:45] <Day9> About 2/3 of the time, when I boot up Ubuntu I just get a single-colored screen (blue or orange) and nothing happens.
[18:45] <SecretFire> I am trying to compile a program using terminal and I get a Permission denied error
[18:45] <Cheery> jrib: it shows that it's on dvorak variant now
[18:45] <gordonjcp> SecretFire: pastebin the error *verbatim*
[18:45] <Cheery> oh jeah
[18:45] <Cheery> that did it thanks
[18:46] <DX099> truexfan81, can you try to run it in CLI and poste paste.ubuntu.com ?
[18:47] <truexfan81> DX099: i fixed it
[18:47] <DX099> truemove, how ?
[18:47] <truexfan81> DX099: it was needing python-twisted-web
[18:47] <DX099> sorry
[18:47] <DX099> ok
[18:47] <DX099> but apt-get check didn't report ?
[18:47] <truexfan81> no
[18:47] <truexfan81> but i'm not completely suprised since it is built from source
[18:48] <DX099> ah
[18:48] <DX099> worth mentionning
[18:48] <SecretFire> gordonjcp : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1269795/
[18:48] <DX099> anyway, good for you
[18:48] <DX099> now is anyone good at Unity here ? (internals & stuff)
[18:48] <gordonjcp> SecretFire: that's not how you compile things
[18:49] <SecretFire> gordonjcp, well it was already compiled i was trying to run the program
[18:49] <jrib> SecretFire: gordonjcp is right though I guess you actually want to execute something for your class but the files are on a vfat partition and so are not executable
[18:49] <gordonjcp> SecretFire: maybe the program isn't set to be executable
[18:49] <SecretFire> oh i see
[18:49] <gordonjcp> SecretFire: VFAT doesn't really support Unix permissions properly
[18:50] <SecretFire> so i need to partition the drive
[18:50] <gordonjcp> no, just copy it across to your home directory and work on it there
[18:50] <DX099> SecretFire, most likely the drive is was not mounted with execute permissions
[18:50] <DX099> -is
[18:50] <gordonjcp> DX099: quite likely
[18:50] <SecretFire> can't i change the filesystem to ext4?
[18:50] <gordonjcp> this is exactly the sort of thing I was talking about earlier :-)
[18:51] <gordonjcp> SecretFire: you'd need to wipe and reformat the drive
[18:51] <gordonjcp> SecretFire: but if you're cool with that, go to it and good luck
[18:51] <SecretFire> gordonjcp : yea, just got the drive so I dont have much on it
[18:51] <wxl> hey folks, how does one install an app with update-alternatives --install? specifically the precise version of xxxterm doesn't include itself on install (tho this appears fixed on quantal)
[18:52] <jrib> wxl: you could always cheat and read the install scripts for the quantal version
[18:52] <wxl> jrib: trying the easy route first. go.
[18:53] <jrib> wxl: I don't know offhand; would have to open up the man page
[18:53] <wxl> jrib: well i've looked ant i don't entirely get it
[18:53] <DeviceZer0> hello all. Right now I'm on fedora 17 with full disk encryption. I'm thinking of installing ubuntu on here. Is it possible for the ubuntu installer to detect my disks are encrypted and open them up so I can install ubuntu? I have a seperate /home partition that I would like to keep.
[18:54] <jrib> wxl: should give you plenty of examples: grep -A 2 -- 'update-alternatives --install' /var/lib/dpkg/info/*
[18:55] <SecretFire> do i need to unmount the drive before formatting?
[18:55] <wxl> jrib: you're my hero
[18:55] <SD_Ecliptica> I can't set my resolution in ubuntu to higher than 1024x768 even though my monitor supports higher.
[18:55] <jrib> wxl: probably checking the gnome-terminal one is the best idea
[18:56] <DX099> SD_Ecliptica, what is you graphic chipset ?
[18:57] <DX099> !graphic
[18:57] <DX099> !graphics
[18:57] <DX099> !display
[18:58] <DX099> SD_Ecliptica, !display
[18:58] <SD_Ecliptica> DX099: I'm not sure how to find that. Thanks for the link!
[18:58] <DX099> you're welcome
[19:00] <paulus68> I am behind a proxy server how do I set this up for the repositories in 12.04
[19:00] <paulus68> already applied proxy settings system wide but still not able to upgrade through terminal
[19:01] <DX099> !video
[19:01] <VonWhistler> guys, how come when i setup an alias on eth0, etho0:0 the ip address defined in eth0 section is no longer pingable, but the alias is
[19:02] <absentbird> Hello, I just upgraded by motherboard, cpu and graphics card. Do I need to worry about updating my drivers?
[19:02] <alakoo> for the graphics at least, yes
[19:03] <absentbird> alakoo, well for some reason my audio is not working, no device.
[19:04] <alakoo> well what do you see when looking for non restricted drivers
[19:05] <absentbird> You mean through the proprietary drivers? I only see my graphics card driver.
[19:05] <absentbird> Where do I find non restricted drivers? In apt?
[19:05] <alakoo> the propriety I think
[19:06] <alakoo> hmm, usually ubuntu detects the integrated audio card by itself
[19:06] <alakoo> someone else will probably know better
[19:06] <absentbird> I was wondering if there was a command I could run to tell ubuntu I got new hardware and it needs to load different modules on boot now.
[19:07] <absentbird> I am guessing it has something to do with modules anyway, since I think that is how drivers are loaded in Ubuntu. I am honestly not very knowledgable about drivers on linux.
[19:07] <alakoo> did you try alsamixer?
[19:07] <jrib> absentbird: might be worth verifying the audio works on a live cd
[19:08] <absentbird> jrib, I did that, it does.
[19:09] <absentbird> alakoo, No, not yet. I will try that.
[19:09] <grandal_prime> has anyone used any system76 machines?
[19:09] <grandal_prime> if so im currious about durrability of hardware
[19:10] <nick_> My display seems to crash a few seconds after I log in (most of the time). Any idea how I can fix it?
[19:12] <absentbird> I found this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hardware/Detection
[19:12] <alakoo> nick_ does it black out during boot?
[19:12] <alakoo> just wondering if it's an adapter problem
[19:13] <sdndk> alakoo: It shows my cursor and background for a second, then the whole display goes maroon.
[19:13] <sdndk> alakoo: If I reboot enough times, GRUB appears, and if I boot through GRUB it seems to work fine.
[19:13] <alakoo> but you can see everything properly until log-on, what if you stop there?
[19:14] <sdndk> alakoo: Auto-login is enabled on this machine >.<
[19:14] <alakoo> oh
[19:15] <alakoo> yeah just asked because I once had some hardware issues that I first thought to be about software because it took a while
[19:15] <alakoo> but if I had waited at log-on screen I would've seen the problem also
[19:19] <sdndk> Is there any kind of keyboard shortcut during boot that will force grub to appear?
[19:19] <jrib> sdndk: shift
[19:19] <sdndk> jrib: Thanks!
[19:20] <genii-around> Or ESC, depending on grub version
[19:24] <tolmun> hello ubuntu
[19:26] <marxx> ciao!
[19:26] <marxx> !list
[19:28] <paulus68> how to update or upgrade when you are behind a proxy in terminal
[19:29] <shwaiil> Q: I can change the backlight brightness trough system settings but not trough FN + F8 and F9 key combinations. I'm on a Clevo laptop. I've found some tips online where they mention setting "acpi_backlight=vendor" but I dont know where to do that. Any help ? tks
[19:29] <shwaiil> the bug is reported here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1041116?comments=all
[19:30] <hilo> Is there a performance hit in terms of networking throughput using a linux system to ip_forward in place of a consumer level router (like linksys or other running DD-WRT)?
[19:32] <trism> shwaiil: that would be in /etc/default/grub, add it to the end of GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT and run update-grub (or just press e to edit an entry on grub to add it temporarily for one boot)
[19:33] <shwaiil> trism: thanks for looking. So something like sudo /etc/default/grup and then press E ? or sudo vim /etc/default/grup ?
[19:34] <trism> shwaiil: sudo vim /etc/default/grub; the press e part would be for when you are actually on grub and selecting the os you want to boot
[19:34] <TJ-> hilo: if anything, it'd be faster (assuming the network side is well-tuned)
[19:34] <shwaiil> trism: I see! ok thanks Ill try this
[19:35] <shwaiil> trism: how can I check the current value of acpi_backlight ?
[19:35] <shwaiil> before I make changes
[19:36] <tacirus> Hello, how can I write a line that is highlited ina textfile into another file using bash?
[19:36] <tacirus> The line is highlighted  with the mouse
[19:37] <genii-around> tacirus: right-click ...copy          in other file... put cursor where you want text, shift-insert
[19:38] <DX099> someone great at dealing with Unity nearby ?
[19:38] <michealPW> I set default_timeout=0 in my grub config but still the grub menu appears. Any ideas?
[19:39] <tacirus> genii-around: I want to copy something and then to write it in a file but without choosing it with the mouse , instead writing it into it using bash
[19:39] <trism> shwaiil: I do not know, sorry
[19:40] <navalastro> AI ALGUIEN CONECTAO
[19:40] <Pici> !es | navalastro
[19:40] <navalastro> ???????????????????????????????????????????????
[19:40] <shwaiil> trism: ok, so just to confirm, I just put the line "acpi_backlight=vendor" on the file, thats all right ?
[19:41] <navalastro> CAYATEYA ANDA QE ERES MAS TONTO KEUNA BACA.ATI NO TE LO DIGO
[19:41] <trism> shwaiil: by default GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash", you would change it to "quiet splash acpi_backlight=vendor" (or whatever kernel options you wanted)
[19:42] <shwaiil> trism: thanks
[19:43] <BvL> I'm looking for help, I'm trying to fix a boot time kernel panic
[19:43] <BvL> - I'm unable to find the kernel panic in my log files, can anyone help with this?
[19:46] <TJ-> BvL: It may be happening too early to be captured by the syslogd
[19:47] <BvL> TJ- How would I go about filing a bug report then?
[19:48] <SystemTyrant> anybody here familiar with rolling your own packages?
[19:49] <novato_br> how can I rename massive files on shell? I would like to take string off from names of files
[19:49] <TJ-> BvL: for early boot crashes we generally connect a serial console to the PC (if it has a serial port) and boot with the kernel writing its messages to the serial console, so they are captured on a different machine
[19:49] <paulus68> how to update or upgrade when you are behind a proxy in terminal
[19:49] <SystemTyrant> I'm just trying to figure out how to know what deps are required by a source file?
[19:49] <SystemTyrant> an easy way that is.
[19:49] <TJ-> paulus68: what kind of proxy?
[19:50] <michealPW> Using Ubuntu 12.04's Unity, the sound icon shows a Rhythmbox extension but it's not functional..
[19:50] <paulus68> TJ-: squid
[19:50] <TJ-> SystemTyrant: Figuring out dependencies is a case of identifying which libraries the source Makefile link in. Often that stuff will be available from the autoconf script
[19:51] <michealPW> When I click play nothing happens. I just get an animated spinning icon showing that it's doing something but nothing plays...
[19:51] <michealPW> Also, when I open Rhythmbox manually from Launcher, I can't skip forward/back or pause using that volume-rhythmbox extension
[19:52] <BvL> TJ- The issue is with a laptop (macbook), using uefi and ubuntu is on an external drive
[19:52] <TJ-> paulus68: SQUIDHOST="somehostname"; echo 'Acquire::http::Proxy "http://$SQUIDHOST:3142";' | sudo tee /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01proxy
[19:52] <BvL> it was working fine with 12.04LTS but now with 12.10
[19:53] <TJ-> BvL: Ahhh. You may be able to use a USB serial link but that will depend on whether the EFI has configured a port
[19:53] <paulus68> TJ-: what do I need to enter at hostname? anything
[19:53] <TJ-> BvL: Sometimes in these cases I aim a video camcorder at the screen, and afterwards play it back in slow-motion
[19:54] <TJ-> paulus68: The hostname/IP address of the SQUID proxy machine
[19:54] <cx19> hi!
[19:56] <wilee-nilee> BvL, The 12.10 channel is #ubuntu+1
[19:56] <BvL> wilee-nilee: thanks
[19:57] <shwaiil> Q: I've got a Killer-n 1102 Wireless card in my laptop. Unforunately my connection drops constantly, I'm 5m from the router and I've been using other devices without any issues. I'm wondering if there's something I could do to fix this ? Thanks!
[19:59] <paulus68> TJ-: I get no address associated with hostname
[19:59] <michealPW> Ohh!
[19:59] <michealPW> I figured out Rhythmbox..
[20:00] <michealPW> It was because I disabled the D-bus plug-in... So that's what that plug-in was for hehehe (blushes)
[20:00] <TJ-> paulus68: Is that from apt ?
[20:00] <paulus68> TJ-:yes
[20:01] <TJ-> paulus68: Well you need to ensure, if you've used a hostname, that it does resolve correctly. If the hostname won't resolve, then use the IP address
[20:02] <TJ-> paulus68: e.g. on my network I have "Acquire::http::Proxy "http://<IP_ADDRESS>:3142";"
[20:02] <paulus68> TJ-: mine is http://<IP_ADDRESS>:3128
[20:02] <dummy_> hi, does someone know how to search for single characters in vim ?
[20:03] <paulus68> TJ-: or do I need to adapt the localhost?
[20:03] <TJ-> paulus68: So you put that into /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01proxy
[20:03] <paulus68> TJ-: did that same error
[20:04] <B0g4r7_> Anyone wanna help me figure out why postfix is still directing dns queries to <IP_ADDRESS> after I updated resolv.conf to point elsewhere and rebooted?
[20:04] <TJ-> paulus68: I think there may be a typo on your file. Can you pastebin it for us?
[20:06] <WeThePeople> how to change ubuntu gui to Chinese?
[20:07] <Krenair> Nautilus crashes when I tell it to burn the contents of an image
[20:08] <h00plah> Hey there guys. I can't get my wifi card to work here. Dlink 525 - just installed it with the drivers found on ubuntu forums, everyone said they had great success
[20:09] <h00plah> but when i go to system>network tools it only shows eth0 and l0 but no wlan
[20:09] <Ramtron> I installed minecraft in Wine, and I have no idea how to open it. Any help?
[20:09] <h00plah> why did you install minecraft in wine? It's linux compatible.
[20:09] <cx19> you can run minecraft as executable java file
[20:10] <h00plah> just double click the minecraft.jar
[20:10] <Ramtron> I torrented it.
[20:10] <h00plah> you got a minecraft.jar right?
[20:10] <Ramtron> I have the windows exe
[20:10] <cx19> hooplah: my networkmanager had the same problem
[20:10] <Ramtron> Could not having java be the problem?
[20:10] <h00plah> cx19: we're problem brothers D:
[20:10] <cx19> i had to restart the networkmanager :D
[20:10] <h00plah> I've rebooted buncha time
[20:10] <cx19> and now it does not autostart anymore
[20:11] <ISTguy15> do you guys know how to create an os deployment server in ubuntu server 12.04
[20:11] <h00plah> i also installed wicd but I can't find an interface anywhere
[20:11] <Ramtron> When I click the Minecraft on my desktop, nothing happens
[20:11] <h00plah> ISTguy15: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallServer
[20:12] <h00plah> Ramtron: you do have to have java to run minecraft
[20:12] <DJones> Ramtron: Just download the minecraft.jar from https://minecraft.net/download website, it runs without problem in Ubuntu as long as you have java installed
[20:12] <Ramtron> Pretty sure I have Java actually
[20:12] <Ramtron> But I don't want to pay for it.
[20:12] <DJones> !piracy | Ramtron
[20:12] <h00plah> If you dont pay for it you just can't play online
[20:13] <Ramtron> Doesn't matter, not the point I already have it
[20:13] <cx19> O_o
[20:13] <DJones> Ramtron: The channel doesn't support pirated software
[20:13] <Ramtron> I just can't seem to open it
[20:13] <cx19> just pay the 20 bucks and enjoy a working copy ^^
[20:13] <Ramtron> We can pretend it's not pirated. Either way, this is more of a Wine question
[20:13] <Ramtron> I don't have $20.
[20:13] <Ramtron> You gimmie $20, and I'll buy it
[20:14] <DJones> Ramtron: Its not supported here
[20:14] <h00plah> I hoep you get banned.
[20:14] <h00plah> with the e before the p
[20:14] <Ramtron> So, how do I get this minecraft.jar to work?
[20:15] <devin> ok i want someones opinion on this. do you think it is a security hazard for a user to be able to use sudo passwd root to set/change the root password to a ubuntu system
[20:16] <mschr> hello folks - have been trying to set a setting last few days.. i hate not having the Alt + [middle mouse[ resize feature
[20:16] <wilee-nilee> Ramtron, You have been informed if you continue to ask for help the mods will be notified and you risk being banned, you will not get help here.
[20:16] <mschr> any ideas how to set it up so it will work in any users session?
[20:17] <Ramtron> Dude, that doesn't make any sense considering this is a question about Wine. You guys obviously need to grow up.
[20:17] <DJones> Ramtron: Stop asking, you've already said its pirated, its not supported here
[20:17] <Krenair> Ramtron, see PM.
[20:17] <wilee-nilee> !ops | Ramtron
[20:17] <mschr> gosh....
[20:17]  * mschr grows a pair :)
[20:17] <Ramtron> Ignorance.
[20:18] <wilee-nilee> hehe I didn't realize DJones
[20:18] <[1]Snicers-Work> Hey, it seems that after a few hours apache takes up all availbe memory and swap on my server and crashes it, any advice?
[20:19] <mschr> apache-workers limitations via httpd.conf
[20:19] <[twisti]> hello, i have not touched or read about samba in roughly ten years or so. is it today a matured server you guys would recommend for a group of mixed windows users ? or is it stilly a hacky piece of crap best forgotten about in lieu of more mature things like ftp ?
[20:20] <SD_Ecliptica> twisti: I still use samba, it's maintained and works well for me. I use it for printer and file sharing
[20:20] <dr_willis> ftp mature... ;-)
[20:20] <wilee-nilee> [twisti], That is a copy and paste of your earlier post, using a defiling description will knock out a percentile of the help you will get at the least
[20:20] <michealPW> What are the options in /etc/default/grub that I need to make the grub menu NOT appear when the computer boots?
[20:21] <wilee-nilee> michealPW, You can shorten the timeout, but if you turn it off you will not have the benefits there if you need it to fix a problem
[20:22] <[twisti]> wilee-nilee: nobody answered before, and i reckoned nobody who cared about samba one way or another was around then. it was hours ago, its hardly like im spamming my question. im alright with missing out on the advice of the kind of people who would be insulted by my description of reality.
[20:22] <robertzaccour> whenever I record with guvcview using my webcam to capture audio it records fine, but when recording with my voice mic the video gets jerky and sped up. Any suggestions?
[20:22] <[1]Snicers-Work> mschr, is there a tutorial for setting up apache-workers? is it enabled by default and I just set the limits in apache.conf?
[20:22] <[twisti]> SD_Ecliptica: thanks, thats good to hear, always hard to judge things you havent used in so long and remember not exactly fondly ;)
[20:22] <michealPW> wilee-nilee: Even though I set the timeout low and have Ubuntu selected by default, my wife still complains that a menu appears at all :|
[20:23] <wilee-nilee> [twisti], Your description is from your own reality and smells of a lack of cognitive development. ;)
[20:23] <mschr> [1]Snicers-Work> The common rule of thumb is: (Max desired Memory) / (Memory Usage of 1 Apache Process) = # Max Clients
[20:23] <wilee-nilee> michealPW, Just letting you know of the problem possibilities.
[20:23] <michealPW> wilee-nilee: I set GRUB_TIMEOUT=0 but still the menu appears :|
[20:24] <dr_willis> theres a hidden option in there somewhere michealPW
[20:24] <wilee-nilee> michealPW, Have you run a update-grub after adjusting?
[20:24] <dr_willis> !grub2
[20:24] <michealPW> Oh, no? I just changed the setting and then restarted LOL
[20:25] <dr_willis> michealPW:  then the changes are not being used. :-(
[20:25] <wilee-nilee> hehe always run a update after tat files adjustments
[20:25] <wilee-nilee> that*
[20:25] <michealPW> Ohh haha so that's my problem then. Doh!
[20:25] <michealPW> Thx :)
[20:25] <SD_Ecliptica> How can I remove/modify/reorder entries in grub2?
[20:25] <[1]Snicers-Work> Ok, my current config is prefork, do I need to remove apache2-mpm-prefork and replace it with mpm-worker mschr?
[20:25] <kfizz> I just transfered a file from one Ubuntu laptop to another (via scp), both connected to a wireless router (all wireless N), but the transfer speed was only ~1Mbps. Any obvious reason this is so low?
[20:26] <hoonteke> My google skills are failing me today: I can PXE boot and install over the LAN the Desktop version, but what is the tidbit I'm missing for doing similar with the Server version?  Everytime I PXE Boot the netboot directory, it wants to install from the internet, not my LAN available copy of the iso.  Can anyone help?
[20:26] <cx19> kfizz: maybe driver problems. i use windows drivers with ndiswrapper and some routers does not seem to work right with that combination
[20:26] <michealPW> Ohhh I get it.. etc/default/grub is read by update-grub to generate a configuration for GRUB, it's not the actual configuration hehe?
[20:26] <wilee-nilee> SD_Ecliptica, What is your final goal here exactly?
[20:27] <wilee-nilee> michealPW, yep.
[20:27] <SD_Ecliptica> wilee-nilee: I want to rename the entry for one of my operating systems and set it as the default.
[20:27] <michealPW> wilee-nilee: Thx, mate. Cheers! :)
[20:27] <kfizz> cx19 I suppose that could be the reason.
[20:27] <mschr> [1]Snicers-Work> Just off the top of my head, i think the sum of all 'StartServers' is the maximum process count (i.e. shows in `ps`)
[20:28] <cx19> damnit was supposed to mean "do" not "does"
[20:28] <cx19> O_o sry
[20:28] <wilee-nilee> SD_Ecliptica, There is a app called the grub customizer that some use, depends on how much you want to know about grub really.
[20:28] <SD_Ecliptica> wilee-nilee: Thanks, I'll check that out.
[20:28] <robertzaccour> whenever I record with guvcview using my webcam to capture audio it records fine, but when recording with my voice mic the video gets jerky and sped up. Any suggestions?
[20:28] <mschr> [1]Snicers-Work> each process, be it a prefork-/worker-/event-module process, will have an individual limitation via module configs 'mpm_prefork_module', 'mpm_worker_module' 'mpm_event_module'
[20:29] <paulus68> TJ-: I have in my file Acquire::http::Proxy "http://<IP_ADDRESS>:3128";
[20:29] <wilee-nilee> SD_Ecliptica, here is a link to the UF. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1664134
[20:30] <TJ-> paulus68: That should work. if not, there's something else on that system/network causing issues.
[20:30] <wilee-nilee> michealPW, No problem.
[20:30] <paulus68> TJ-: getting now Proxy authentication required
[20:30] <paulus68> TJ-: 407
[20:30] <mschr> Anyone got an idea of how to set back option for emulating middle-mouse click? (via left+right combined click)
[20:32] <TJ-> paulus68: There you go. Your network proxy needs authentication. I've never tried using that with apt
[20:32] <wilee-nilee> mschr, http://askubuntu.com/questions/160164/how-do-i-enable-middle-mouse-button-emulation-in-12-04-lts
[20:33] <haiQt> hey guys, quick issue (bet you get this a lot): i'm trying to install ubuntu 12.04 next to windows 8, and i'm not sure which partition will be the ubuntu one. i made a pic of the install step here: http://gyazo.com/47c6aabfe2e275354bf28b86567ab51e.png?1349814253
[20:33] <haiQt> which drive will be the ubuntu one? left or right?
[20:33] <TJ-> paulus68: Ahhh OK it's easy. Just add the username and password to the 01proxy statement similar to this: Acquire::http::Proxy "http://username:password@proxyhost:port/";
[20:34] <tozen> haiQt, dont use wubi, install ubuntu nornali on separetes partition only!!!
[20:34] <haiQt> what is wubi? the step i'm trying to do now?
[20:35] <tozen> haiQt, i supposed u using wubi installer to install ubuntu next to win, dont u?
 thx, looks promising - ive tried gpointing-device-settings but it resets once user logs out - and then needs to be set again
[20:36] <haiQt> i don't know, i just downloaded the .iso from ubuntu site and put it on a usb drive using lili usb creator
[20:36] <paulus68> TJ-: ok
[20:36] <haiQt> Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS 64 bit <--- this is the one i downloaded
 didnt know the 'gsettings' command - is it a new util for administration in gconf?
[20:37] <tozen> haiQt, the best way to how to install ubuntu properly is to chose installation option "Something else"
[20:37] <k1gwb> Is it obvious to anyone what I am doing wrong? This is from my /etc/fstab. When I mount -a it says "Line 12 is bad" which is this: //<IP_ADDRESS>/G\ Drive /home/greg/G-Drive cifs credentials=/home/greg/.smbcredentials,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777,noauto,rw 0 0
[20:37] <crazydip> how do i send packages build in Launchpad to debian upstream? i have been asked to do so by a debian maintainer
[20:38] <wilee-nilee> haiQt, WE define drive as a hard drive the picture you show is on one HD and would split it. If you want these installs an seperate HD's you need to use the something other option a manual install.
[20:38] <michealPW> haiQt: You're doing fine. That's the partition resize utility... You're resizing an existing hard-drive partition and creating free-space that can be used to create a second partition.
[20:38] <mschr> klgwb missing option parameter '_netdev' which will delay mount until network is up
[20:39] <michealPW> haiQt: The partition on the left side is your existing partition, likely the one with Windows on it. The partition on the right isn't created yet, it's the free-space that will be created once you shrink that partition.
[20:39] <haiQt> oh okay, that's easy then
[20:39] <haiQt> why can't i do it that way? it seems it's frowned upon or something?
[20:39] <wilee-nilee> haiQt, Do youn have the windows backed up?
[20:40] <wilee-nilee> you*
[20:40] <haiQt> not really but it's a fresh install (formatted yesterday)
[20:40] <haiQt> but i'd rather not have to go through installing all adobe apps & IDE's again
[20:40] <haiQt> takes a while
[20:40] <michealPW> haiQt: One thing I would suggest, though.. Is use Windows to resize your Windows partitions, not Ubuntu.
[20:41] <michealPW> Esp. if you're using WIndows 7 or WIndows 8.
[20:41] <wilee-nilee> haiQt, You should always be backed up that install had a lot of updates, if something goes wrong you will have to do it again.
[20:41] <k1gwb> Sorry, closed in error, if anyone said anything about the mount line in my fstab :/
[20:41] <haiQt> ok so the safest thing to do right now is to go back into windows and create a small partition (around 15-20GB) to install ubuntu on?
[20:42] <mrhubrisje> Are there any good DNS alternatives out there in comparisson to my ISP's?
[20:42] <michealPW> Windows 7's Storage snap-in can resize ("Shrink") a volume very well. Use that to shrink your volume and create some free-space, say 100gb. Then restart the computer with your USB Ubuntu LIveCD and install Ubuntu to that free-space. Ubuntu should find it and use it automatically.
[20:42] <abaratican> Where would I put a line to autostart a program when X starts?  (before logging in)
[20:43] <michealPW> mrhubrisje: There's openDNS (Search google) but as far as "better", if by "better" you mean speed you wont find anything faster than your current ISP's DNS server, I would imagine :P
[20:43] <michealPW> Since your ISP's going to assign one based on your geographic location.
[20:43] <k1gwb> mrhubrisje: google has some public dns servers, there's also <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> which are good
[20:44] <mrhubrisje> I found Comodo, Open DNS and Google DNS. but i'm wondering if they are any that i can trust with my "behaviour"
[20:44] <k1gwb> mrhubrisje: <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> are Google's https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/
[20:44] <guntbert> k1gwb: did you see :  mschr > klgwb missing option parameter '_netdev' which will delay mount until network is up  ?
[20:45] <masturbation> hello
[20:45] <mschr> haiqt IMO the best partition setup is [128MB /boot] + [RAMx2 GB swap] + [20GB+ /] (optionally [XGB /home[)
[20:45] <mschr>  /boot and swap being primary partitions
[20:46] <gabrieluk> hi, what is the command to unistall virtual box?
[20:46] <bits8mybytes> hmm why so low on boot?
[20:46] <mschr> bits8mybytes 5 kernels ~= 100 MB
[20:46] <michealPW> What is the benefit to having so many partitions all on a single mechanical drive, though? :\
[20:46] <bits8mybytes> I thought swap beyond 4Gig was uneccesary
[20:46] <wilee-nilee> mschr, boot partitions are hardly never needed.
[20:47] <bits8mybytes> because above 4gigs of ram you probably don't need swap
[20:47] <michealPW> Except the /home, which makes sense to mount /home from a completely seperate mechanical drive for extra capacity..  Updating to ubuntu11.10 lost Xp disc. How do I recover
[20:49]  * mschr thinks question of every day is: will i get layed :)
[20:49] <novato_br> I can't get help here. I solved my own question. So I would like help other people
[20:49] <overclucker> michealPW: what if / becomes full to capacity because of user data?
[20:49] <masturbation> its like going against our nature.
[20:49] <novato_br> tony_, you must recovery the grub
[20:49] <bits8mybytes> I like the idea of having / on a separate drive
[20:50] <guntbert> masturbation: drop that discussion please
[20:50] <michealPW> overclucker: If you've hit a capacity limit, that's that.. Hense my question. Why partition a single mechanical drive so many times.. What are the benefits? (Unless you have multiple drives, then it makes sense to expand capacity..)
[20:50] <tony_> How do I recover grub
[20:50] <bits8mybytes> and or a separate partition
[20:50] <masturbation> m'kay
[20:50] <bits8mybytes> I would say if you use LVM
[20:50] <k1gwb> mschr guntbert: no I hadn't thanks. However, I just added the line and am trying to mount -a to mount it. Haven't rebooted so the network has been up the whole time. Will add that now though.
[20:50] <bits8mybytes> then partition boot
[20:50] <bits8mybytes> and lvm the others
[20:51] <bits8mybytes> LVM is the way to GO!
[20:51] <novato_br> tony_, just a sec
[20:51] <bits8mybytes> LVM wooo!
[20:51] <bits8mybytes> :)
[20:51] <tony_> Ok
[20:51] <wN> dude. i highlight on lvm and you're killing me
[20:51] <wN> :P
[20:51] <wN> hehe
[20:51] <mschr> klgwb here's a nice walkthrough http://www.swerdna.net.au/susesambacifs.html#fstab
[20:51] <k1gwb> mschr: thanks will check it out
[20:53] <bits8mybytes> wN sorry for the noob question what does highlight on LVM mean? you are part of the dev team?
[20:53] <overclucker> michealPW: when / becomes full to capacity, services don't start properly, separate partitions help prevent that possibility. also, /home can easily be shared between different installations.
[20:54] <wN> bits8mybytes: whenever anybody says 'lvm' in irc, i get a notification
[20:54] <k1gwb> The fstab issue was that I had tried using G\ Drive and G%20Drive and was unaware the proper escape character is \040
[20:54] <mschr> overclucker michealpw a full / can potentially bring your system down
[20:54] <guntbert> bits8mybytes: no, he told his client to do that
[20:54] <bits8mybytes> wN oh haha sorry I just really like lvm big fan
[20:54] <k1gwb> from the link that mschr sent. thanks
[20:54] <wN> me too
[20:54] <michealPW> That doesn't make any sense... if / gets too full and you have a single mechanical drive, what difference does it make
[20:54] <mschr> klgwb good to know =)
[20:54] <michealPW> ?
[20:55] <im_not_masturbat> is it possible to redirect google.com to another page for the wifi leecers just with apache?
[20:55] <bits8mybytes> I have a 8 terabyte media server with 4 encrypted hds on one lvm
[20:55] <michealPW> If you've run out of space you've run out of space. Nothing but another drive is going to change that?
[20:55] <guntbert> gabrieluk: that depends on how you installed it
[20:55] <haiQt> while installing on a partition, which type should i use? ext4?
[20:56] <michealPW> I go with ext4
[20:56] <gabrieluk> guntbert, i dk, how can i check it? it might be a ppa or a deb pkg
[20:56] <michealPW> journling ftw! :)
[20:56] <bits8mybytes> yeah ext4 is good
[20:56] <wN> bits8mybytes: you have me beat by 3tb
[20:56] <haiQt> and mount point?
[20:56] <haiQt> "/"?
[20:56] <guntbert> !rootirc | im_not_masturbat
[20:58] <bits8mybytes> wN: :) I even swapped one of them out when it had a bad sector using dd...for file servers you can't beat linux too bad everyone's head is in the cloud
[20:58] <haiQt> and what do i choose for Device for boot loader installation? my entire hard drive or the win8 one? or the ubuntu one?
[20:58] <wN> bits8mybytes: you can use lvm on cloud
[20:58] <overclucker> michealPW: how does it not make sense? partitions can become full without the entire drive becoming full. partitions are a limiting mechanism for where data is stored.
[20:58] <guntbert> gabrieluk: if from some repo, then just    sudo apt-get remove virtualbox<tab>    (to autocomplete)
[20:58] <wN> bits8mybytes: why not join #lvm?
[20:59] <bits8mybytes> wN: just did
[20:59] <gabrieluk> guntbert, <tab>?
[21:00] <tony_> Anyone know how to recover grub
[21:00] <mrhubrisje> what DNS would you use to access the pirate bay?
[21:00] <WHOisAmanda_> i am having a issue installing chromeium in 12.04
[21:00] <mrhubrisje> (or is that a not allowed question?)
[21:00] <jrib> !grub | tony_
[21:00] <WHOisAmanda_> http://pastebin.com/nt1jPA7z
[21:00] <WHOisAmanda_> the error
[21:01] <gabrieluk> guntbert, what does it mean that?  sudo apt-get remove virtualbox<tab>    (to autocomplete)
[21:01] <gabrieluk> is that a typo?
[21:01] <guntbert> gabrieluk: you type the first part and where I wrote <tab> you press the tab key
[21:02] <guntbert> !tab | gabrieluk
[21:02] <gabrieluk> guntbert, also, if i install with a debian package, what is the way to unistall? can i just remove manually the folder?
[21:02] <gabrieluk> ok
[21:02] <gabrieluk> great <tab> did the jogb
[21:03] <guntbert> gabrieluk: in any case please see http://askubuntu.com/questions/22200/how-to-uninstall-a-deb-package
[21:04] <gabrieluk> ok
[21:04] <WHOisAmanda_> any help
[21:06] <gabrieluk> guntbert, ok, great, synaptic does the job. another question, if install with a ppa do i have it on synaptic also? does synaptic holds all apps in the system including libs etc?
[21:09] <gabrieluk> guntbert, oh yeah, i see now, it hold everything
[21:12] <diverdude> How do i make it so that i dont have to write my password when ssh'ing a server? Do i need to put my public key somewhere on the server?
[21:12] <julien> bonsoir...
[21:13] <jrib> !ssh | diverdude
[21:13] <err-or> diverdude: the remote ssh server needs to know your pub key
[21:13] <jrib> diverdude: use ssh-copy-id
[21:13] <TJ-> diverdude: "ssh-copy-id <remote-server>" will copy your public certificate to the the remote server
[21:13] <julien> y aurait t il un petit français
[21:13] <err-or> ;=
[21:13] <jrib> !fr | julien
[21:14] <shwaiil> Q: There's a program that I download as a package, has one executable file. Where should I place the extracted folder ? Thanks! Also what to do to put in the sidebar tks
[21:16] <mschr> diverdude for a lil more info
[21:16] <mschr> diverdude ssh-keygen && scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa remote_host:~/.ssh/$USER_key && ssh remote_host 'cat ~/.ssh/$USER_key >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2'
[21:16] <michealPW> overclucker: Hrmm so.. If / is say 20gb and /home is 80gb.. If /home reaches 80gb, / is still fine and the OS is bootable without problems?
[21:16] <michealPW> overclucker: Is that what you mean?
[21:16] <diverdude> thx
[21:17] <jrib> diverdude: note mschr's command also copies your private key which you may not want
[21:17] <overclucker> michealPW: yup
[21:17] <michealPW> I see..
[21:17] <michealPW> Touche.. Good argument :P
[21:18] <michealPW> I find a lot of times my / is ballooning in size far faster than /home 'cause I install everything I find that sounds interesting on Ubuntu Software Center (rofl)
[21:18] <eilyx> why is the gui updater app showing me kernel updates when the apt-get upgrade is telling me it's holding packages back
[21:19] <jrib> eilyx: kernel won't get upgraded unless you do: apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:19] <michealPW> I set aside 200gb for my entire, single-partition / though
[21:19] <jrib> !dist-upgrade | eilyx
[21:19] <michealPW> So I don't think I'll have any capacity issues 'cause I use WIndows for Gaming, which has 1.3tb hehe!
[21:19] <overclucker> michealPW: also, /usr and /var can become filled up easily so separate partitions for those is also popular
[21:20] <eilyx> jrib, no that is not a dist upgrade it is the update manager that is tellingme i have packages waiting
[21:20] <michealPW> overclucker: So that answers my question about freeBSD.. When I tried freeBSD (Admittedly awhile ago now..) it strongly encouraged me to create a whole bunch of partitions
[21:20] <jrib> eilyx: right, so install the kernel upgrade if you want it.  If you prefer to use the command-line, then do « apt-get dist-upgrade »
[21:20] <michealPW> Which I did. It was just easier to do what it said than try to go against the current haha
[21:21] <michealPW> I never knew the benefit, though
[21:21] <eilyx> just what is a dist-upgrade
[21:21] <jrib> eilyx: read what ubottu said
[21:21] <michealPW> Besides scalability. I think it would be neat to be able to swap-in/out drives, having the system's filesystem seperated the way it is I think that wouldn't be too difficult
[21:21] <michealPW> With the windows-style it would be a real chore haha
[21:22] <shwaiil> Q: I've installed a program on /opt and I want to create a shortcut on the left sidebar of unbuntu 12.04, how to do that ? Tks
[21:22] <eilyx> jrib, how is a kernel update considered a dist-upgrade?
[21:23] <michealPW> I don't understand why some Linux distros like Fedora have a /run/media/username and populate userland-filesystems in there while debian and ubuntu use a /media.
[21:23] <bekks> shwaiil: Start the program, it will have an icon on the left panel, the right click on that panel, and select "Lock to launcher".
[21:23] <jrib> eilyx: the way a new kernel is delivirede is by changing the dependency of the "linux-image-generic" package.  Apt-get won't install packages because of a changed dependency unless you issue a "dist-upgrade"
[21:23] <michealPW> Also the /usr is different in a lot of different linux systems. Crazytown!
[21:23] <michealPW> It plays awful games with my poor memory ;(
[21:23] <trism> shwaiil: create a .desktop file for the app in /usr/share/applications/ (bekks, that won't help without a .desktop file)
[21:23] <shwaiil> bekks:  thanks a lot for looking! I really appreciate it
[21:23] <shwaiil> trism: tks for looking. A .desktop file ?! :Z
[21:24] <bekks> trism: I never created a .desktop file when locking applications to the launcher.
[21:24] <eilyx> jrib, oh ok. thanks
[21:24] <trism> bekks: they won't stick if the app doesn't have one
[21:25] <shwaiil> bekks: after restarting the icon is still there ? cool
[21:25] <shwaiil> in my other laptop I had a different version of ubuntu, older and its much better, this new one sucks 12.04
[21:25] <shwaiil> top left corner I used to have applications etc
[21:25] <bekks> shwaiil: trism is right, you need a .desktop file. I just checked it, and apparently all apps I locked have .desktop file :)
[21:26] <shwaiil> :I
[21:27] <theseb> how remove NUMBERING from my unity icons?
[21:28] <theseb> I don't know what happened but now my trash can has a "t"
[21:28] <theseb> and my other icons have "1", "2", "3", etc.
[21:29] <trism> shwaiil: if you check out the ones already in that directory you should get the general idea, or if you have gnome-panel install you can use gnome-desktop-item-edit to create one
[21:29] <theseb> lemmie see if log out will fix
[21:30] <shwaiil> why did they make this so difficult
[21:30] <shwaiil> wow :P
[21:30] <crazydip> !imagebin
[21:32] <mschr> diverdude jrib yea, you'd better be using the id_rsa.pub - and delete the temporarily copied file after placing it to remote users authorized_keys2
[21:33] <paoloumali> help guys, which channel is for aws  ubuntu stuff?
[21:34] <crazydip> michealPW: i personally like the official Linux Directory Hierarchy Standard - and I *love* this simple LDHS graph reference: http://imagebin.org/231430
[21:34] <zykotick9> paoloumali: aws?
[21:34] <paoloumali> yes
[21:34] <paoloumali> i'm always sent to name space
[21:35] <paoloumali> can i ask web server questions here?
[21:35] <crazydip> paoloumali: i believe this is your channel to ask
[21:36] <paoloumali> ok, default root in ubuntu ec2 instance is ubuntu and im setting up a web server lamp
[21:36] <paoloumali> what's best practice? create my own account?
[21:37] <paoloumali> if i create a user account, should i ssh with that user account, or its just the same if i log in with root, then login as the user?
[21:37] <michealPW> crazydip: I don't understand the difference between /usr/local/bin and /opt/bin
[21:37] <michealPW> :(
[21:38] <crazydip> paoloumali: yes, you should create an account, then after checking if it works, disable root ssh login
[21:38] <paoloumali> if i disable the root, then who will be able to do admin tasks then?
[21:38] <michealPW> /opt/ is a rarely (Well I guess not rarely, but in the distros that I use it's rare) structure it seems. To me /opt/ makes sense, its optional software.. To me /usr/bin doesn't make sense 'cause what software is multi-user like that really?!
[21:38] <crazydip> paoloumali: what you are after server security - whether aws or not it's all the same
[21:39] <michealPW> I mean, what software would need /usr/michealpw/bin and /usr/crazydip/bin haha I don't get it? :\
[21:39] <crazydip> paoloumali: i did not say disable root, i said disable ssh root login
[21:39] <zykotick9> michealPW: one difference.  thins in /usr/local/bin are supported in #ubuntu, things in /opt are not ;)
[21:39] <michealPW> zykotick9: Hah! Interesting..
[21:39] <jpds> paoloumali: Root isn't enabled on Ubuntu anyway.
[21:39] <paoloumali> I see. so the best practice is just use a user account and then sudo when needed
[21:39] <jpds> paoloumali: Yes.
[21:40] <paoloumali> but for user to do sudo
[21:40] <overclucker> michealPW: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/
[21:40] <paoloumali> he mush have that right
[21:40] <jpds> paoloumali: Yes.
[21:40] <paoloumali> adding him in admin group
[21:40] <paoloumali> automatically add him to sudoers?
[21:40] <jpds> paoloumali: Now 'sudo' group.
[21:41] <michealPW> Thx, overclucker ;)
[21:41] <paoloumali> when i add him in sudo group: he will be like admin when he sudoes then
[21:41] <crazydip> jpds: are you sure it's not  enabled in aws? some providers enable root in ubuntu server
[21:41] <michealPW> How does Fedora use su -c 'yum intall somePackage'? I tried on Ubuntu and that doesn't work, I need to use sudo? :\
[21:41] <michealPW> Confusing haha
[21:41] <michealPW> su -c seems to log-in as Root temporarily..
[21:41] <crazydip> jpds: nevermind, i just found out it's disabled but sudo is apparently passwordless
[21:42] <michealPW> Sudo iunno wth's going on 'cause I enter my own user's pw :\
[21:42] <jpds> crazydip: It's not.
[21:42] <zykotick9> michealPW: simple rule, don't use su on ubuntu
[21:42] <michealPW> haha zykotick9. I know, but I want to learn :P
[21:42] <zykotick9> michealPW: also if you looking for info on directories "man hier" for some info
[21:42] <michealPW> Why's the difference, really? On Fedora I added my user to the sudoers file so I could sudo like I do on Ubuntu haha
[21:43] <michealPW> 'cause that way my wife could just type her password in to do things instead of also remembering root's pw ;)
[21:43] <ziggyzero> Hi. Does anybody know of a DLNA server that runs from CLI?
[21:44] <crazydip> michealPW: and just for the record, there is not such thing as /usr/<username>/bin - just /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin :D
[21:44] <michealPW> haha
[21:44] <michealPW> That's why /usr doesnt' make sense to me though
[21:44] <hdon> crazydiamond, i've always maintained a ~/bin
[21:45] <hdon> almost every system i've ever had an account on had a bin dir in my home
[21:45] <crazydip> hdon:  not yet diamond, just dip for now :D
[21:45] <postgres_user234> does anyone know when postgres 9.2 will find its way to the offical repo?
[21:45] <hdon> crazydip, sorry
[21:45] <crazydiamond> hdon: sorry, but what have I asked?
[21:45] <hdon> crazydiamond, nickcomplete miss
[21:45] <crazydiamond> oh ok
[21:45] <[1]Snicers-Work> I enabled the mpm-worker for apache but now it says I don't have access to index.php
[21:45] <[1]Snicers-Work> Any ideas why?
[21:46] <hdon> 1,590 users will do that to you
[21:46] <michealPW> readign those manuals now, brb :P
[21:46] <crazydip> yes, ~/bin is for the individual user - no such thing as /usr/hdon/bin :D
[21:47] <hdon> crazydip, well, you coudl make it, if you wanted
[21:47] <shwaiil> Q: I've got a Killer Wirless-n 1102 installed automatically by ubuntu 12.04 LTS. My connection drops at least twice or more every 20m. I'm wondering if there's a way to fix this ? Thanks! I'm 5m from the router
[21:47] <shwaiil> and this wireless device is supposed to be "good" :P at least was expensive
[21:49] <crazydip> shwaiil: it may be the router settings - i had something similar it had something to do with a stupid outdated router check that was used for backward compatibility with windows, but i don't remember what exactly
[21:49] <zykotick9> hdon: fyi if you create a ~/bin and logout/backin it will automatically be added to your PATH
[21:49] <shwaiil> crazydip: hi! i got the same card ? Well all other computers worked just fine... this is a new one... no one ever complained, even running older ubuntu versions with older computers
[21:50] <michealPW> Really?
[21:50] <michealPW> hrmm!
[21:50] <shwaiil> AR9462 Wireless Network Adapter - this is what i've got as driver for the killer wireless-n
[21:50] <hdon> zykotick9, i've never seen that. always added it in my shell profile myself
[21:51] <zykotick9> hdon: that is redundant ;)
[21:51] <hashar> hello there. Anyone familiar with upstart please ?  Igot  a job defined in /etc/init/foobar.conf  but   `start foobar` just says it is unknown.  I got no log in  /var/log/{daemon.log,debug,syslog}  :-(
[21:52] <hdon> zykotick9, apparently so!
[21:54] <crazydip> shwaiil: sorry, could not find a solution for you and i don't have any experience in network card problems
[21:56] <shwaiil> CrazyEddy: fine tks ;D
[21:59] <ceed^> is it possible to set it so that you toggle minimized and open when you click a program icon in the dash? The only thing that happens now is that the program is given focus, but when you click again nothing happens.
[22:00] <ceed^> Sorry, didn't mean dash, but the launcher
[22:00] <Dr_willis> ceed^,  i think ive seen some  ways to do that.. but never really looked into it. the webupd8 and omgubuntu blog sites may mention how to do it.
[22:01] <Benkinooby> hi, i want to adjust a directed antenna. is there a software that i can use to measure signal strength (with high time resolution)?
[22:02] <ceed^> Dr_willis: Thanks, I will look there and see if I can find it. I wonder why that isn't default behavior.
[22:02] <Dr_willis> ceed^,  because its now how they see peopld doing their workflow i guess.
[22:02] <TimothyA> how do I check what's thrashing a harddisk when there is nothing in iotop?
[22:03] <klop> hello
[22:03] <Dr_willis> I rarely minimize windows these days.  I tend to fullscreen them all and alt-tab around
[22:03] <klop> Did anyone has ever had problems with arrow keys?
[22:03] <ceed^> Dr_willis: Ah ok, I guess I'm old fashioned. i hardly ever maximize programs and use Alt-Tab once a week maybe.. :)
[22:04] <klop> In ubuntu... I have a fresh install and my arrow keys dont work
[22:04] <Dr_willis> ceed^,  unity has all sorts of hotkeys to jump about from differnt windows..
[22:04] <_alpha_> hi all - I've been trying to fix some graphics issues but now I can't get past the login screen (just bounces me back to login); however the guest session works fine
[22:04] <_alpha_> what do I do?
[22:04] <TimothyA> this is really starting to piss me off -_-
[22:04] <TimothyA> it just disktrashes randomly for no reason
[22:05] <klop> What is?
[22:05] <Dr_willis> ceed^,  in 12.10 i think theres some sort of previews for the windows from the launcher,  so minimizing is just the kind of thing ya dont do a lot.
[22:05] <TimothyA> and iotop says nothing is using the disk
[22:05] <Dr_willis> klop,  dont work in what app? do they work in the console?
[22:05] <ISTguy15> do you guys know how to make an ubuntu deployment server that can deploy windows and linux
[22:05] <klop> they don't work in bios when booting and don't work in Ubuntu at all
[22:06] <klop> but a USB keyboard works fine
[22:06] <Dr_willis> If they dont work in the bios.. it sounds like a hardware issue.
[22:06] <TimothyA> here, again.
[22:06] <klop> but they worked in windows before I installed Linux
[22:06] <TimothyA> it goes disk trashing
[22:06] <TimothyA> while there is NOTHING showing up in iotop
[22:07] <grandal_prime> grrrr pidgin-sip not working with lync
[22:07] <klop> Any idea what the issue might be?
[22:07] <ISTguy15> klop wats ur problem
[22:07] <ceed^> Dr_willis: I'm actually running 12.10 beta on this laptop. I haven't noticed much difference in the launcher yet
[22:07] <Dr_willis> klop,  try some differnt live cd/disrtos see if it works in any of them, check the console, see what 'dmesg' output is when you hit the keys..
[22:07] <klop> arrow keys not working
[22:07] <klop> after a fresh install of Ubuntu
[22:07] <ISTguy15> not working at all
[22:07] <ISTguy15> or just in ubuntu
[22:08] <klop> it worked in windows before installing Linux
[22:08] <TimothyA> http://pastebin.com/RFF5AtfK
[22:08] <ceed^> klop: You sure you have the correct keyboard setup?
[22:08] <crazydip> can someone please point me to a "for total idiots" explanation of what index is in git? i just don't get what the point of it is - i use bzr (and svn in the past)
[22:08] <ISTguy15> does it work in windows now and the bios?
[22:09] <klop> Doesn't work in bios neither.
[22:09] <ISTguy15> ok if it is an external keyboard it is probably broken or u messed a config up
[22:09] <klop> I do have the correct keyboard set up. all the other keys are working fine
[22:09] <ISTguy15> ok then it sounds like a hardware problem
[22:09] <klop> where can i find the keyboard config file?
[22:10] <crazydip> we'll if it's not working even in the bios then the keyboard is either broken or something wacked in bios settings
[22:10] <crazydip> klop: ^^
[22:10] <ISTguy15> if it doesn't work in the bios and every other key works its hardware
[22:10] <klop> Hmmm will have to play a bit more in bios then...
[22:10] <ISTguy15> reset ur bios by moving ur jumper from 1-2 to 2-3 then back
[22:11] <ceed^> klop: Dash > Keyboard Layout
[22:11] <ISTguy15> and if u still have the problem get a new keyboard and try
[22:11] <klop> thank you for help you all! My wife is getting annoyed with typing so it's time togo to sleep
[22:11] <crazydip> ceed^: but his keyboard does not even work in bios, so it's not an ubuntu issue
[22:11] <klop> I will try that...
[22:11] <ISTguy15> yea its hardware
[22:11] <ISTguy15> just try a new keyboard
[22:11] <klop> thanks ... night night you all.
[22:11] <ISTguy15> nite
[22:11] <crazydip> ISTguy15: or some insane bios setting :D
[22:11] <bigbill> I just setup a ubuntu file server for a small office and put it on the network. Now I want to be able to log in from home, but I'm lost on where to go from here. Any suggestions?
[22:11] <ceed^> crazydip: I see that now. Sounds like a hardware issue then
[22:12] <crazydip> night klop
[22:12] <Dr_willis> bigbill,  learn to use ssh so yuou can ssh in to it?
[22:12] <ISTguy15> yea dip it could be but that doesn't sound like it is possible
[22:12] <ISTguy15> but it could be computers do get out of wack like that
[22:12] <bigbill> yes I have putty open in another window now
[22:12] <ISTguy15> do you guys know how to make an ubuntu deployment server that can deploy windows and linux
[22:13] <crazydip> bigbill: setup ssh server (sshd) on the ubuntu file server and you can login from wherever you want, so long as you have network access to it (internet)
[22:13] <gordonjcp> bigbill: you'd need to open a port on the firewall in your office, to allow you to ssh
[22:13] <bigbill> I can access from within the lan, but how to I access it from outside the lan?
[22:13] <gordonjcp> bigbill: or if you feel brave, set up a VPN
[22:14] <gordonjcp> bigbill: look up port forwarding
[22:14] <ISTguy15> bigbill: you need to go into ur router and port foward ur ip with port number 22 (if that is ur ssh port)
[22:14] <ISTguy15> the default is port 22 for ssh
[22:15] <ISTguy15> have any of you guys played with ubuntu 12.10
[22:15] <ISTguy15> i dont really see too many changes except for the kernel update
[22:16] <bigbill> Ok so open a port on the router then I can see my ubuntu box? What security upgrades should I look into?
[22:16] <ISTguy15> can you elaborate on that more what do you mean by security upgrades
[22:16] <crazydip> ISTguy15: news items on 12.10 changes: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/tag/quantal
[22:17] <ISTguy15> thanks crazydip ill check into it
[22:17] <crazydip> bigbill: port forwarding explained: http://www.howtogeek.com/66214/how-to-forward-ports-on-your-router/
[22:18] <bigbill> well i don't want someone to hack into the system. so what should I do as far as security?
[22:18] <ISTguy15> change ur default ssh port to something else then foward that port, give ur system a static ip (internal of course), and make a complex password
[22:19] <ISTguy15> then you should be good
[22:19] <ISTguy15> thats all the security you should need
[22:19] <bigbill> ok, cool, thanks for the help
[22:19] <ISTguy15> yep
[22:19] <gordonjcp> ISTguy15: you don't need to change your ssh port
[22:20] <gordonjcp> bigbill: leave your default ssh port alone, it'll only confuse matters
[22:20] <ISTguy15> if u change the ssh port then people wont find it out as easy
[22:20] <ISTguy15> the default ssh port is 22
[22:20] <gordonjcp> ISTguy15: yes, but you don't need to change it on the server
[22:20] <crazydip> bigbill: from most secure to least secure 1) don't port forward, setup a VPN instead (lots of work) or 2) port forward and setup ssh key's and don't allow password logins (little work) or 3) make sure you have a crazy good password (least work). of course #3 should still be pretty darn secure
[22:20] <gordonjcp> just set something else as the external port when you forward it
[22:20] <ISTguy15> you dont but you can change it for better security
[22:20] <ISTguy15> he was looking for a way to be most secure
[22:20] <gordonjcp> ISTguy15: it makes no difference to the security
[22:21] <gordonjcp> ISTguy15: it's a bad idea to use anything other than the standard SSH port on the server
[22:21] <ISTguy15> you have to know the port number to access ssh through ssh
[22:21] <crazydip> bigbill: don't change your ssh port, it makes no difference to security since a simple scan will reveal you changed it anyway
[22:21] <gordonjcp> ISTguy15: it *does* help to forward it to an "unusual" port on the WAN-facing side of the router
[22:21] <ISTguy15> yea but u have to put more effort into the scan
[22:21] <gordonjcp> crazydip: eh, I've found it quietens things down a bit
[22:22] <gordonjcp> crazydip: it keeps the really lazy skript kiddies out
[22:22] <crazydip> gordonjcp: aye
[22:22] <Don__> lol
[22:22] <bigbill> right, a port sniffer is a pretty basic intrusion tool, a vpn sounds like fun, but would probably take away from my real work too much
[22:22] <ISTguy15> you could scan me and find none of my ports because my network firewall stops you
[22:22] <ISTguy15> linux is powre! :)
[22:22] <gordonjcp> bigbill: it's not actually that hard, particularly if you use pptp
[22:23] <gordonjcp> pptp isn't massively secure
[22:23] <gordonjcp> it's "good enough" but if someone is suitably determined they can probably find a way in
[22:23] <crazydip> gordonjcp, bigbill : if you intend to use password on server, a much better option than changing port is to setup fail2ban
[22:23] <ISTguy15> thats a lot more involved a strong password will be good enough
[22:23] <gordonjcp> yup
[22:24] <gordonjcp> bigbill: tbh if you were using pptp and I wanted to crack my way into your network
[22:24] <bigbill> so a failed password attempts bans that ip?
[22:24] <crazydip> bigbill: yes, and you set how many failed attempts and for how long the ban lasts
[22:24] <Num83rGuy> I have a D-Link DWL 520 wireless card that is recognized but has no MAC address and receives no stations. Could anyone help?
[22:24] <bigbill> cool
[22:24] <ISTguy15> wow i didn't know about that i might get that
[22:24] <gordonjcp> bigbill: I'd probably eschew actually fiddling around spoofing my way into your pptp vpn, and simply bundle you into the back of a van and apply a length of hydraulic hose to the soles of your feet, repeatedly ;-)
[22:24] <ISTguy15> fail2ban
[22:25] <gordonjcp> this is generally accepted as the most effective route to gain access to any network
[22:25] <ISTguy15> its actually not hard to get into a pptp vpn
[22:25] <gordonjcp> ISTguy15: yeah, you just kidnap an admin and torture them a bit
[22:25] <gordonjcp> it's pretty quick and easy
[22:26] <ISTguy15> haha ok
[22:26] <bigbill> haha, well, now i have a couple of things to read about at work all day tomorrow
[22:26] <crazydip> ISTguy15: fail2ban kills those chinese and russian script hack bots pretty quickly
[22:26] <gordonjcp> crazydip: yup
[22:26] <ISTguy15> good luck
[22:27] <ISTguy15> so i guess no one has a solution to my question
[22:27] <Num83rGuy> I am trying to figure out if I need to do more or if the card is bad or other.
[22:27] <Simbaa> anyone knows about free shell provider ? i want to make a eggdrop please help
[22:28] <crazydip> Num83rGuy: how to get it working: http://askubuntu.com/questions/146564/how-do-i-get-a-d-link-dwl-g520-working
[22:29] <crazydip> ISTguy15: what was your question?
[22:29] <ISTguy15> my question was do you know how to make an ubuntu deployment server that can deploy windows and linux
[22:30] <TimothyA> wtf...
[22:30] <TimothyA> there is NO DISK ACTIVITY
[22:30] <TimothyA> yet it's trashing the disk
[22:30] <TimothyA> WHY
[22:31] <Num83rGuy> crazydip: Thanks I will try that.
[22:32] <_alpha_> can anyone spot anything here: http://server1.tfountain.co.uk/xsession-errors.txt that might explain my X crash upon login? it just bounces me back to the login screen
[22:32] <_alpha_> that's my .xsession-errors file
[22:32] <_alpha_> if I login as guest it works fine
[22:33] <ISTguy15> alpha: are u running ubuntu
[22:33] <rainbowwarrior2> hello
[22:33] <_alpha_> yes
[22:33] <ISTguy15> alpha: ubuntu cant run the x windows interface with root
[22:33] <ISTguy15> it is a security hazard
[22:33] <rainbowwarrior2> hi, does anyone know a good mkv player for Ubuntu 12.04 as with vlc and others they skip please ?
[22:33] <_alpha_> that file is from my normal user
[22:34] <ISTguy15> thats most likely why
[22:34] <Ben64> rainbowwarrior2: mplayer2
[22:34] <ISTguy15> ok i saw it saying u were singing in as root
[22:34] <crazydip> ISTguy15: i never heard of massive windows deployments via linux... maybe you can by deplaying virtual servers somehow.. maybe this will help?: http://fai-project.org
[22:34] <rainbowwarrior2> Thank You Ben64 I will try that
[22:35] <ISTguy15> ok thx crazydip i have a linux deployment server running i just need to figure out how to do windows
[22:35] <gabrieluk> hi, i'm trying to make an rsync download to my local machine, but i have "not enough memory" errors. i cannot see why, as per the screenshoot there's space http://pasteboard.co/1349822068817944.png
[22:36] <_alpha_> ok that my have been a bad example as I was testing some stuff as root from the cli interface, howabout this one: http://server1.tfountain.co.uk/xsession-errors2.txt
[22:36] <ISTguy15> alpha: right here in ur report for the crash it even says "
[22:36] <ISTguy15> ** (gnome-user-share:2582): WARNING **: gnome-user-share cannot be started as root for security reasons."
[22:36] <_alpha_> that's just from a normal login
[22:36] <gabrieluk> 30.8 gig available
[22:37] <magdy1> السﻻم عليكم
[22:37] <BlackNarcissus> Hello everyone. I am using 12.04 on an Acer Aspire Netbook with Radeon HD 6290 graphics, I tried everything, different distros, proprietary drivers, free ones, but I can't get flash and html5 videos to play decently in any browser. Any help would be great. Thanks.
[22:37] <ISTguy15> so it crashes for normal users too
[22:37] <magdy1> hi
[22:37] <magdy1> can any body help me
[22:37] <_alpha_> yup sorry, ignore the first one, I'd jumped to the tty prompt to debug
[22:37] <ISTguy15> sure magdy
[22:38] <ISTguy15> ok
[22:38] <k1l> magdy1: if you ask in english, we could try
[22:38] <_alpha_> but yes as my normal user it crashes, but fine with guest
[22:38] <magdy1> thanks
[22:38] <magdy1> ok
[22:38] <[1]Snicers-Work> So I am trying to use apache with mpm-worker but I can't seem to get PHP with cgi to work all the time. Has anyone done this before?
[22:38] <ISTguy15> can i see the crash report for a normal user
[22:38] <magdy1> iwill try to makewhat i say in english
[22:38] <ISTguy15> ok
[22:38] <crazydip> can anyone explain to me what the point of index (staging area) in git is? i just don't seem to get it -- user of bzr and (long time ago) svn
[22:38] <_alpha_> the 2nd one: http://server1.tfountain.co.uk/xsession-errors2.txt is for my normal user
[22:38] <Don__> gaaaa   I forgot again.  How do I kill a hung process from the terminal?
[22:38] <magdy1> i want active my nvidia active
[22:39] <magdy1> *card
[22:39] <magdy1> nvidia card
[22:39] <k1l> magdy1: install the nvidia driver from the package-system?
[22:40] <k1l> magdy1: easiest one is to start "jockey" and klick on the nvidia driver
[22:40] <ISTguy15> _alpha_:  you can try to reinstall the X windows layer of the OS. I think it may be corrupt
[22:40] <magdy1> package-system = ubuntu software system
[22:40] <magdy1> or mot
[22:41] <_alpha_> I tried purging xserver-xorg and then reinstalling that and ubuntu-desktop
[22:41] <_alpha_> do I need to do some other packages as well?
[22:41] <crazydip> [1]Snicers-Work: you mean FastCGI?
[22:41] <magdy1> i install  nvidia driver and
[22:41] <magdy1> jocky
[22:41] <ISTguy15> _alpha_: are u using gnome desktop
[22:41] <_alpha_> yes
[22:42] <_alpha_> or whatever the default is
[22:42] <schultza> hold up.. if it's like my issue yesterday.. go into the directory and check for the ownership and permissions of the .Xauthority file
[22:42] <crazydip> [1]Snicers-Work: maybe this will help http://www.howtoforge.com/using-php5-fpm-with-apache2-on-ubuntu-12.04-lts
[22:42] <k1l> !nvidia | magdy1
[22:42] <ISTguy15> _alpha_: i would try to create a new account in tty first before i tell you what im about to
[22:43] <ISTguy15> _alpha_: do you know how to do that
[22:43] <justme_> i had alot of problems with ubuntu turns out i installed x32 and i have a x64 board now all works great since i installed x64
[22:43] <schultza> @_alpha_, who is the owner (user:group) of the file .Xauthority in the user who's graphic session is crashing?
[22:43] <Odra> How do you pronounce ubuntu?
[22:43] <_alpha_> schultza: seems to be root owned, should it be owned by the user?
[22:43] <magdy1> ok i will see this page and will ty to fix if any problem take place i will ask you to help me
[22:44] <ISTguy15> his error report doesn't say he doesn't have permission so it may be just his account since he can get it with guest
[22:44] <Odra> Wow this channel is flooded with flood bots!
[22:44] <BlackNarcissus> Hello everyone. I am using 12.04 on an Acer Aspire Netbook with Radeon HD 6290 graphics, I tried everything, different distros, proprietary drivers, free ones, but I can't get flash and html5 videos to play in fulscreen decently in any browser. Any help would be extremely welcome. Thanks.
[22:44] <_alpha_> hmm on this machine it is owned by the user, I'll try switching that
[22:44] <magdy1> but i want say all my problem is i canot make nvidia recommend active
[22:45] <magdy1> not install drive
[22:45] <schultza> @_alpha_: Yes
[22:45] <schultza> @_alpha_, $ chown user:user .Xauthority
[22:46] <schultza> from root of course.. .you may need to use sudo or sudo su -
[22:46] <SirSkidmore> #lpmc
[22:46] <SirSkidmore> woops
[22:46] <k1l> magdy1: do you have a error message? or which exact card that is? is this a hybrid card (a intel and a nvidia)
[22:46] <_alpha_> it works!
[22:46] <ISTguy15> i think it should be root owned because mine is
[22:47] <magdy1> nvidia
[22:47] <_alpha_> I'm in now with that fixed, thanks both
[22:47] <_alpha_> that must have got messed up by one of my earlier attempts
[22:47] <ISTguy15> nice to see u online
[22:47] <schultza>  /ʊˈbuːntʊ/ (using IPA) is how you pronounce ubuntu
[22:47] <_alpha_> found something online that suggested running startx from the recovery console (as root), guess that was a bad idea
[22:48] <_alpha_> and is it true that nvidia optimus is the root cause of all problems?
[22:48] <_alpha_> as it's causing me some grief on this machine
[22:48] <schultza> _alpha_, thats what i did.. and how i corrected it after hours of research
[22:48] <magdy1> Sorry, installation of this driver failed.
[22:48] <magdy1> Please have a look at the log file for details: /var/log/jockey.log
[22:48] <magdy1> this is error message
[22:48]  * Simbaa anyone knows free shell provider on this network ?
[22:48] <k1l> _alpha_: dont use startx on ubuntu
[22:48] <magdy1> when i want make nvidai active
[22:49] <schultza> !pastebin @ magdy1
[22:49] <schultza> !pastebin
[22:49] <k1l> magdy1: can you upload this error file into a pastebin?
[22:49] <magdy1> pastebin  is website
[22:49] <_alpha_> k1l, yup, will know that for next time
[22:49] <magdy1> or smthing else
[22:49] <schultza> yes... post the info there and then give us the link
[22:49] <mschr> schiltza think its '|', pipe not '@'
[22:50] <k1l> _alpha_: ok :)
[22:50] <magdy1> something else
[22:50] <schultza> ok.. think like linux, not internet.. gotcha
[22:50] <shwaiil> Q: My wireless card is not properly supported in ubuntu 12.04, connections allways dropping etc. It's basically a bug and it's reported for some time now. My laptop is a Clevo (custom) and the card is     Killer Wireless-N 1102 802.11 a/b/g/n Mini PCI. If I need to change for driver support under ubuntu, what should I get ? Is there something that will work without problems ? Tks
[22:50] <schultza> or "cat [file] | pastebinit" and grab url to give to us
[22:51] <k1l> schultza: useless use of cat
[22:51] <eilyx> guys!
[22:51] <eilyx> $ showkey
[22:51] <eilyx> Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console
[22:51] <eilyx> help!
[22:51] <FloodBot1> eilyx: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:51] <schultza> k1l: what is the better command to use for that
[22:51] <thawnet> any idea what would cause choppy mouse movement in virtual box running windows xp with 2gb of ram? main os is ubuntu 12.04
[22:51] <schultza> or does pastebinit act like cat but directly to pastebin?
[22:52] <k1l> schultza: pastebinit [file]   #no need for cat in this case
[22:52] <schultza> ah
[22:52] <SIR_Taco_> schultza: if you have the pastbin package installed that is
[22:52] <k1l> thawnet: guest additions installed?
[22:52] <schultza> i will on this computer. i had it on the other
[22:53] <mschr> eilyx: sudu!
[22:53] <schultza> k1l: didnt know pastebinit's capabilities yet, hence my use of cat
[22:53] <thawnet> k1l: No, but i'll install it now if that will fix it
[22:54] <genewitch> wgetpaste is pretty awesome
[22:54] <genewitch> and it doesn't need a package, you can just unzip it to your home directory
[22:54] <TimothyA> you have got to be kidding me... *strangles imagemagick*
[22:55] <schultza> genewitch, you still have to download something for wgetpaste, right?
[22:55] <eilyx> mschr, oh!
[22:55] <genewitch> schultza: yeah i guess
[22:57] <schultza> later all
[23:00] <Guest99744> anyone know how to get sound up in Ubuntu Studio so it works
[23:01] <WHOisAmanda> my usb mouse that i bought will not work with 12.04
[23:01] <magdy1> http://pastebin.com/URTpXkVf
[23:02] <ISTguy15> ok so i am running ubuntu 12.04. i have my ipod setup as a sound device through bluetooth and it says my music is playing though my laptop but i hear nothing through the speakers. can u help?
[23:02] <magdy1> i say the problem please help me to solve it
[23:02] <shwaiil> When is the new version coming out ?
[23:03] <WHOisAmanda> what is the deal with my mouse not picking up in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[23:03] <WHOisAmanda> it is a usb
[23:04] <ISTguy15> magdy1: your cards driver may just not be compatible with linux and if thats the case there is no solution
[23:04] <Don__> gaaaa   I forgot again.  How do I kill a hung process from the terminal?
[23:05] <shwaiil> Q: It's possible to update 12.04 to the newest beta version ? how ? tks
[23:05] <magdy1> istguy15: no in the past i make it acitve but my hard disk change
[23:05] <Cong> killall bash, it's an example.
[23:06] <Don__> thank you
[23:06] <buu> Hey, I'm running xubuntu on a laptop, can anyone point me in the direction of how to control what happens when you close the screen?
[23:08] <thawnet> So plugging in a ntfs sata drive to 12.04 system while its running... how do you see/mount the new drive and its contents?
[23:08] <ISTguy15> shwaiil: do the command "sudo apt-get install update-manager-core" then "sudo do-release-upgrade -d"
[23:09] <ISTguy15> thawnet: go to your file browser and go to /media and see if it is there
[23:09] <ISTguy15> if not u have to mount it through terminal
[23:09] <shwaiil> ISTguy15: the only reason I'm willing to do that is because I just got a new computer and my wireless card is always disconnecting. Killer Wireless-N
[23:09] <crazydip> magdy1: try this howto - there is a troubleshooting section when install fails: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[23:09] <shwaiil> It's been reported as a bug
[23:10] <shwaiil> but not sure how much time its going to take to be solved..so I'm trying to see if its fixed in the beta
[23:10] <ISTguy15> shwaiil: hardwire ur pc
[23:10] <shwaiil> Atheros Communications Inc. AR9462 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[23:10] <shwaiil> ISTguy15: it's a laptop
[23:10] <ISTguy15> shwaiil: hardwire ur pc (laptop)
[23:11] <shwaiil> spent so much money , I really don't want wireless pens or wire :I
[23:11] <thawnet> ISTguy15: only floppy and floppy0
[23:11] <ISTguy15> shwaiil: does it have ethernet port?
[23:11] <shwaiil> ISTguy15: the reason I mention laptop is because I bought it because its portable
[23:11] <shwaiil> I just want to solve the wireless thing
[23:11] <shwaiil> yes has ethernet but I don't want to use it
[23:11] <ISTguy15> shwaiil: oh srry wats wrong with it
[23:12] <shwaiil> ISTguy15: I have to stay in the same place all the time...or have a huge cable
[23:12] <shwaiil> all around the place
[23:12] <shwaiil> horrible
[23:12] <ISTguy15> shwaiil: whats wrong with ur wifi
[23:12] <shwaiil> https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/+bug/1040943
[23:12] <ISTguy15> shwaiil: please explain the problem
[23:12] <shwaiil> this is the issue
[23:13] <ISTguy15> ok ill look
[23:13] <shwaiil> that's just one launchpad
[23:13] <shwaiil> there's some more but atm I found that
[23:13] <Don__> gaaaa   I forgot again.  How do I kill a hung process from the terminal?  Cong: killall did not work
[23:14] <ISTguy15> shwaiil: your card/drivers may not be the most compatible with ubuntu
[23:14] <Cong> Don__, find the process with ps -A.
[23:14] <zykotick9> Don__: "kill PID#" or "killall processname" use -9 if the first version fails!
[23:14] <ISTguy15> shwaiil: how old is ur system
[23:14] <Cong> Don__, kill it with kill -9 (id)
[23:14] <shwaiil> ISTguy15:  this computer is brand new, got yesterday
[23:14] <shwaiil> installed ubuntu yesterday
[23:14] <shwaiil> 12.04
[23:15] <Cong> Don__, or kill -sig kill (id)
[23:15] <ISTguy15> ok well a generic wireless card may not be compatible with it... u may have to upgrade the wireless card. wat computer is it
[23:16] <omegaweopon> Hi everyone, potentially complex question here.  First: Computer set to autologin.  I installed Xubuntu, ran fine, suddenly however, it isn't.  It won't make it past the splash screen, but the system is set to autologon. I need to change the preferences so that it log onto unity instead. (Am currently on a flash drive live cd as I cannot log in to access things.)  Anyone able to help? (Sorry if this is a bit long)
[23:16] <Don__> invalid signal specification
[23:16] <zykotick9> omegaweopon: fyi, autologin = fail
[23:16] <shwaiil> it's a clevo w307er, i7 2.4, ssd 128gb, 500gb, gtx 660m, atheros wireless ar9462 (sold as killer wireless-n 1102)
[23:17] <shwaiil> at least ar9462 is what ubuntu installed
[23:17] <shwaiil> as a driver
[23:17] <omegaweopon> @zykotick where is that option, and where cna I change that?
[23:17] <wabash> Simple question: There is an Ubunto 10.10 installation in the office that *will* be upgraded within the month. But for a quick improvement -- how can I upgrade firefox right away? Is there something in Syntaptic to set the repositories to a newer version or something?
[23:17] <shwaiil> ISTguy15:
[23:17] <Don__> ok  lemmie try the kill -9
[23:17] <ISTguy15> you may need a different wireless card
[23:17] <xangua> wabash: download it from firefox.com
[23:17] <ISTguy15> omegaweopon: boot to ur regular system
[23:17] <bennypr0fane> Good evening! I'm trying to deactivate my Ubuntu keyring (which is not Gnome keyring anymore?). For this purpose I am following some instructions from german Ubuntu wiki to remove 2 lines from /etc/pam.d/lightdm. I wanted to save the original lightdm file under a different name first, i.e. rename it in temrinal using rename. I'm afraid I did something wrong there. Can someone help mr with the command?
[23:17] <zykotick9> omegaweopon: see "/msg ubottu tab" and i have no idea.  i'm just saying, that using autologin... if a bad idea.
[23:17] <wabash> xangua: Is there a way to do it through the ubuntu repositories?
[23:18] <xangua> wabash: as 10.10 is no longer supported, no
[23:18] <wabash> xangua: I'm aware of that. Is there a way to add a newer repository to the repo list?
[23:18] <ISTguy15> shwaiil: look for other drivers first
[23:18] <ISTguy15> omegaweopon: did you boot into ur system
[23:18] <wabash> "backports" I guess is what it's called?
[23:19] <omegaweopon> I'm on the computer I need to fix. I can't boot into the system, and still be here :X
[23:19] <shwaiil> ISTguy15: been trying so many different things in the lasst 4hours
[23:19] <ISTguy15> shwaiil: then u might need another card
[23:20] <shwaiil> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2035902
[23:20] <ISTguy15> omegaweopon: the way to fix it is to boot into ur regular system
[23:20] <ISTguy15> omegaweopon: im trying to help you
[23:20] <Don__> thousands of thanks to Cong and zykotick9       that did it!!
[23:20] <bennypr0fane> I was gonna look up the rename man and typed "rename man". a long process was started (went on until I closed terminal) and I'm afraid it may have done something terrible. Pls tell me not all man pages are deleted now or sth...
[23:21] <omegaweopon> ISTguy15 Yeah, I understand that, but how do I boot into the normal system without it logging on for me? Also when I do that, I won't be in this room to be able to take further instructions.
[23:21] <ISTguy15> just trust me i have my ways :)
[23:21] <omegaweopon> So you want me to restsrt my system completely?
[23:21] <OerHeks> bennypr0fane, rename = mv
[23:21] <bennypr0fane> is there an easier way to rename a file as root (easier than sudo rename....)?
[23:21] <ISTguy15> omegaweopon: im gonna message you so we have a private chat so ppl aren't flooding chat
[23:22] <pfifo> bennypr0fane, you should be ok, it likely didnt do anything
[23:22] <bennypr0fane> I really hope so
[23:22] <ISTguy15> omegaweopon: just go to the private chat
[23:23] <omegaweopon> Er. I'm on the webchat.freenode.net I didn't get a private tab..
[23:23] <bennypr0fane> Oerheks I have a wiki page right here says rename and mv are NOT the same
[23:23] <ISTguy15> ok ill tell you how to do it write it down
[23:24] <ISTguy15> when i tell you the steps tell me when to go to the next step
[23:24] <ISTguy15> omegaweopon: 1. boot to ur hard drive
[23:24] <ISTguy15> omegaweopon: 2. press ctrl + alt+ F3
[23:25] <ISTguy15> omegaweopon: 3. login to ur account in terminal
[23:25] <pfifo> bennypr0fane, rename (on my system) is a shell script that adds extra functionality to mv
[23:25] <ISTguy15> omegaweopon: 4. type "sudo nano /etc/gdm/custom.conf"
[23:25] <omegaweopon> Oh, mate actually. I think I got it. I was able to mount the file system, enter the lighdm configuration, and comment out the autologin line....
[23:26] <ISTguy15> yep thats it
[23:26] <ISTguy15> try it
[23:26] <omegaweopon> So, commenting that out should do that trick then?
[23:26] <omegaweopon> I'll be back to tell you if it worked.
[23:27] <bennypr0fane> pfifo it says differently in this wiki but nevermind, I just want to rename this one file
[23:27] <ISTguy15> wait did it say "AutomaticLoginEnable=true
[23:27] <bennypr0fane> pfifo "lightdm" to "lightdm.old" or whatever. I need to be root for that though. How can I do it?
[23:27] <yekoms> sudo su bennypr0fane
[23:28] <ISTguy15> type sudo for privilege  escalation for root
[23:28] <bennypr0fane> yekoms and then? the complete command would be awesome
[23:28] <pfifo> bennypr0fane, 'sudo -s' or 'sudo -l'
[23:28] <bennypr0fane> the rename command I need
[23:28] <pfifo> mv oldname.ext newname.ext
[23:29] <jrib> bennypr0fane: mind me asking why you're renaming lightdm?
[23:30] <omegaweopon> Mate, I am in, and golden.
[23:30] <ISTguy15> good
[23:30] <pfifo> jrib, hes backing it up
[23:30] <bennypr0fane> jrib yes, that
[23:30] <ISTguy15> did u completely get rid of AutomaticLoginEnable=
[23:30] <bennypr0fane> pfifo it seems mv is a lot simpler
[23:31] <omegaweopon> Did not delete it, I just commented it out.
[23:31] <ISTguy15> no u want to set it to false dont comment it out
[23:31] <basketballstar> when does ubuntu come out to the public for android
[23:31] <omegaweopon> Well, I can do that now that I am in, so that helps. I'll do that now.
[23:31] <Smackbook> i'm trying to get my hdmi audio out working, when I go into system settings > sound settings and choose the right settings for my hdmi chip on the hardware tab, I can test the left and right and hear the test voice, but none of the system sounds are being routed through there.  when I go into alsamixer and select the hdmi sound chip it shows spdif [,1,2] they all have 00 (not MM) but no volume bars (nothing happens when i press up and do
[23:32] <ISTguy15> ok its so u can use auto login again if u ever want to
[23:32] <bennypr0fane> right now I have "sudo rename s /lightdm/lightdm.keyring/" typed in will that do?
[23:32] <Jayflux> hey guys. i do useradd <usernmae> but when i type in users they don't appear there
[23:32] <Jayflux> is that by design
[23:33] <jrib> Jayflux: 1) you probably want to use adduser instead of useradd.  2) What do you mean by "type in users"?
[23:33] <jrib> bennypr0fane: you should step back and say what it is that you actually want to accomplish
[23:33] <seit> I was wondering if it was possible to install ubuntu directly onto a blank hard drive? I don't have a CD-ROM drive
[23:33] <Jayflux> jrib im writing a script and adduser seems interactive
[23:34] <jrib> Jayflux: yes.  A script to do what?
[23:34] <Jayflux> create me a new user, userad seems uninteractive to adduser
[23:34] <omegaweopon> For now, honestly this installation of Ubuntu is a temporary thing. I was using Crunchbang, but the drivers for my video card caused all sorts of nightmarish errors. So, for now I've got this installed while I learn which packages to throw together  to make my own Debian system. I made a few mistakes in the set-up of this, that I am just gonna "Live with".  Thanks for helping me in though. I'm not messing with my desktop environm
[23:34] <pfifo> seit, you need to boot ubuntu to install it
[23:35] <ISTguy15> yep no problem
[23:35] <basketballstar> when does it come out
[23:35] <ISTguy15> ill see you guys later
[23:36] <seit> pfifo, hmm, too bad.  I'll have to see what else I can come up with
[23:36] <jrib> Jayflux: I'm kind of confused... why would you write a script to do what adduser and useradd already do?
[23:36] <pfifo> seit, what are you working with?
[23:36] <Jayflux> jrib its a long setup, part of that setup is adding a user. I will be adding users automatically throughout the day. Not sitting there manually doing it. This will be automated
[23:37] <seit> I'm running an 11 install.  Have the 12.04 ISO and a blank hard drive I'd like to install onto.
[23:37] <Jayflux> jrib I think you're confused slightly, Im not trying to replace the functionality off adduser, instead im trying to use it automatically. A script won't work with the interactive adduser will it.
[23:38] <bennypr0fane> it's kinda stupid that the mv command is easier to use for renaming than the rename command...
[23:38] <pfifo> seit, you can use grub2 to boot an iso file
[23:39] <pfifo> bennypr0fane, I think rename is more geared towards bulk renames
[23:39] <bennypr0fane> jrib I already did say that
[23:39] <seit> pfifo, interesting, I'll have a look.  Thanks
[23:40] <jrib> bennypr0fane: well say it again
[23:41] <BlackNarcissus> Hello everyone. I am using 12.04 on an Acer Aspire Netbook with Radeon HD 6290 graphics, I tried everything, different distros, proprietary drivers, free ones, but I can't get flash and html5 videos to play decently in fullscreen in any browser. Any help would be extremely welcome. Thanks.
[23:41] <jrib> Jayflux: so explain what you mean by "type in users they don't appear there"
[23:41] <bennypr0fane> jrib: "I'm trying to deactivate my Ubuntu keyring (which is not Gnome keyring anymore?). For this purpose I am following some instructions from german Ubuntu wiki to remove 2 lines from /etc/pam.d/lightdm. I wanted to save the original lightdm file under a different name first, i.e. rename it in temrinal using rename."
[23:41] <warm> hi, i just updated my graphic card's driver, and the screen splits into six part. unfortunately my sudo user is not allowed to login to the xorg, how to solve it?
[23:41] <OerHeks> bennypr0fane, 'deactivate' your keyring with an empty password.
[23:42] <bennypr0fane> actually, in that Wiki it says to edit gdm (not lightdm) but that doesn't exist.
[23:42] <bennypr0fane> OerHeks but if the password's empty, doesn't mean it'll stop asking for it, right?
[23:42] <jrib> bennypr0fane: it means exactly that
[23:43] <BlackNarcissus> warm : You could boot into recovery mode from grub, it will give you a command line from which you can uninstall the faulty driver.
[23:43] <bennypr0fane> well no I already removed those lines from lightdm, was that wrong? should I undo it?
[23:43] <OerHeks> bennypr0fane, yes, and you still can store simple passwords for services.
[23:43] <bennypr0fane> *now I already...
[23:44] <Greg8823> Hey guys, I'm trying to update my 11.10 server to a 12.04 desktop. I installed 12.04 onto a flash drive but it doesn't seem to want to update at all. i ended up installing desktop from the Internet with the command line using apt-get ubuntu-desktop, but its still 11.10. i tried using the terminal and going through the update manager and even tried wiping the flash drive and trying again. When i tried using the update manager i
[23:44] <bennypr0fane> OerHeks: ...which I can't with the edited lightdm?
[23:44] <jrib> !upgrade | Greg8823
[23:44] <warm> BlackNarcissus: Is it wrong with the driver? I thought it might be solved by changging the nvidia-settings, which i am not authorized to with guest account...
[23:45] <Greg8823> alright thanks!
[23:45] <bennypr0fane> OerHeks Yes to what exactly?
[23:45] <jrib> Greg8823: you should just be able to launch update-manager and it will prompt you if you want to upgrade.  No flash drive necessary
[23:45] <OerHeks> bennypr0fane, asking too many questions afer another, yes ->  it'll stop asking for it
[23:46] <Greg8823> I tried that but it wouldn't accept my root pwd.
[23:46] <jrib> Greg8823: it's likely asking for your user's password
[23:46] <bennypr0fane> OerHeks: I already removed those lines from lightdm, was that wrong? should I undo it?
[23:47] <BlackNarcissus> warm: I don't know about your driver, but from the recovery mode you can run nvidia-xconfig and/or edit your xorg.conf file if you are comfortable with that.
[23:47] <warm> BlackNarcissus: As i was installing the system, i enterd three names, one is my real name, one is for the computer's name, the other is a user name, but the login window only has my real name on it, and the passwd for the only user i created won't work...
[23:48] <OerHeks> bennypr0fane, only if you want to revert the changes
[23:49] <Greg8823> I tried that as well, it says incorrect password. It says enter administrative password in the pop up prompt just like it would if i were installing other software.]
[23:50] <BlackNarcissus> warm: Check if you are typing the right password. It has been double-checked during install so maybe you are typing it wrongly when you try loging in. Check caps lock, keyboard layout, etc.
[23:50] <jrib> Greg8823: verify you typed the correct password
[23:50] <jrib> Greg8823: (it's your user password that it asks for).  Do you have a root password as well?
[23:50] <bennypr0fane> OerHeks: I removed these 2 lines from lightdm in order to get rid of the keyring:    auth optional pam_gnome_keyring.so
[23:50] <bennypr0fane> session optional pam_gnome_keyring.so auto_start     do I want to revert that, or will it get rid of the keyring for me?
[23:51] <warm> BlackNarcissus: ok, thank you for all
[23:51] <BlackNarcissus> warm: I think recovery mode gives you root so you can change settings from there. (Anyone correct me if i'm wrong)
[23:51] <OerHeks> bennypr0fane, not sure what howto suggests that, i wouldn't do it like that.
[23:51] <BlackNarcissus> warm: No problem
[23:52] <Greg8823> Yes and i tried both passwords multiple times.
[23:52] <bennypr0fane> Ubuntuusers.de, it's pretty much the first Ubuntu reference in german language
[23:52] <jrib> Greg8823: why do you have a root password?  How did you create it?
[23:53] <bennypr0fane> I think Greg8823 may be confusing root pwd with his user password, as I did just earlier today
[23:53] <bennypr0fane> I thought what I get asked for when I want to sudo is the root pwd
[23:54] <OerHeks> * the password of the first account created with setup, has root priv.
[23:55] <Raistlin-> hello all,
[23:55] <TimothyA> when there are errors on a RAID-0 ... what should I do? ;>_>
[23:55] <Greg8823> i have the administrative account that i dont use except for when i want to change the system, then i have my user account for  when most of my data and programs
[23:55] <bekks> TimothyA: Ensure you have your backup handy.
[23:56] <jrib> Greg8823: you need to be logged in with your administrative account (i.e. this is not "root")
[23:56] <Raistlin-> just wanted to thanks everyone for the help..I finally got ubunto to work...almost...
[23:56] <bennypr0fane> what's the term command for deleting a file?
[23:57] <benhem> rm
[23:57] <TimothyA> bekks: I do not
[23:57] <jrib> bennypr0fane: rm     (warning: you cannot reverse this, so make sure you know what you are doing)
[23:57] <jfeole> <bennypr0fan rm <filename>
[23:57] <TimothyA> and I am currently kicking my hosting partner to spin up a server so I can move this out ASAP
[23:57] <Greg8823> okay sorry for the confusion. But i am in my admin account and that password is not working
[23:58] <jrib> Greg8823: go to a terminal and write "sudo echo hi"
[23:59] <bekks> TimothyA: Well, then you dont have to worry ;) data not worth backing up is data not worth to be kept ;)
[23:59] <Greg8823> okay
[23:59] <Greg8823> i get hi back
[23:59] <Greg8823> it works there but not for the update
[23:59] <jrib> Greg8823: works in what sense?
[23:59] <TimothyA> bekks: just....
[23:59] <intothev01d> quick question. I'm going to set up an AWS EC2 instance and I can choose Ubuntu server 11.10 or 12.04. Is one recommended over the other?
[23:59] <Greg8823> it echos hi


[19:42] <Amedee> Hi Ubuntu kernel developer team. Disclaimer: I am a newb in kernel development.
[19:42] <Amedee> I am affected by a bug in the kernel (Ubuntu kernel: Ubuntu-5.13.0-22.22-387-g0fc979747dec; upstream kernel: v5.15-rc5-4-gff0e50d3564f).
[19:42] <Amedee> The bug has already been fixed in the upstream kernel, in v5.16-rc3-1-g09f736aa9547.
[19:42] <Amedee> As Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Jammy Jellyfish will use the 5.15 kernel, does this mean that this particular patch will not be automatically included?


[00:47] <jrwren> i seriously don't know how anyone uses ubuntu on teh desktop
[00:47] <jrwren> inability to resize windows is terrible.
[01:01] <rick_h> you can't resize windows?
[01:16] <jrwren> not on bottom or right sides
[01:16] <jrwren> top left ocrner works, but that is kinda silly
[01:16] <jrwren> i think I'm started to side with rick_h about certain advanced things
[01:16] <jrwren> like copy on selection
[01:17] <jrwren> the fact that it is default on my mac with iTerm2 and I don' tknow how ot enable it in gnome terminal is telling.
[01:17] <jrwren> easy of use... *sigh*
[11:33] <brousch> jrwren: now wait a minute. in osx you had to resize a window by clicking and dragging only the lower right corner until, osx lion. how is this same "feature" a problem in ubuntu but not is osx?
[11:34] <brousch> and in kde i can resize a window by any edge
[11:35] <brousch> ah, damnit. it's april fools day
[14:53] <jrwren> brousch: i've no idea. I haven't used osx until now.
[14:53] <jrwren> i guess if i used old osx it owuld be a problem in osx.
[16:14] <greg-g> snap-l: have you see http://cchits.net/ ?
[16:14] <greg-g> I just saw a buddy on identi.ca saying he was listening to the latest episode
[17:03] <snap-l> greg-g: Yep, and was going to participate, but the shownotes overhead was a bit high
[17:04] <snap-l> That and most of what is played on OMC is pretty fringe
[17:04] <snap-l> though there have been some tracks from OMC
[20:04] <snap-l> btw: Meeting tonight
[21:38] <greg-g> best. commit. message. ever. https://gitorious.org/mediagoblin/mediagoblin/commit/e089b66bde44ec90950a0acc9d471245295ffa4e
[21:38] <greg-g> though, one of those is now probably more of an inside joke feel for me (the flip a fukken table one)
[21:39] <greg-g> snap-l: what do they need for the shownotes?
[22:10] <rick_h> can you generate a diff at all? having a hard time figuring out how to get from the commit ot the diff
[22:55] <greg-g> rick_h: yeah, me too. Basically, a bunch of commits on a diff branch to switch from mongo to sql
[23:15] <rick_h> ah, I knew he was thinking of trying out sqlalchemy at Pycon so curious if he did that or not
[23:56] <snap-l> greg-g: It was pretty strange. I'd have to look at it again, but essentially I thought "this is way too much work for too little benefit"
[23:58] <greg-g> huh, weird