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[17:18] <noxonsoftwares> hola a todos
[17:19] <noxonsoftwares> alquien por aqui?


[04:53] <Doc_> Hi all, I'm getting ready to flash Ubuntu on my Nexus 7 (2013) wi-fi tablet and I was wondering if it would be difficult to keep Android as another OS dual-boot/multi-boot into.
[04:54] <Doc_> *to boot into
[04:55] <Doc_> People do it all the time on custom ROM images don't they? Would I just need a custom recovery like TeamWin Recovery Project?
[05:14] <Doc_> I should have read this first :( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation  Oh well. That kind of throws my Cardboard viewer out the window, but at least my keyboard layout will be supported
[12:56] <JamesTait> jibel, I just got clobbered with the calendar sync spams all participants bug on the phone again. Can you remember the bug # and/or which log file I need to collect?
[13:58] <jibel> JamesTait, bug 1628040 but you found it apparently
[13:59] <ogra_> i dont get how it can send invites for an event that isnt existing in my calendar
[14:15] <kenvandine> mterry, i tested your unity8-desktop-session branch on zesty, works great!
[14:15] <kenvandine> trust prompts work and all!
[14:19] <kgunn> kenvandine: on snap? or classic?
[14:19]  * kgunn assume classic?
[14:19] <kenvandine> classic
[14:20] <kenvandine> mterry, i went ahead and created a silo for it
[14:21] <mterry> kenvandine: thanks!
[14:21] <kenvandine> silo 2636
[14:21] <mterry> kenvandine: it's a bit of a big-hammer solution, but should only be temporary
[14:21] <kenvandine> mterry, thank you for fixing it!
[14:21] <kenvandine> yeah... it's a safe fix
[14:21] <TartanSpartan> Hi does anyone have experience editing desktop application files within a container on UT?
[14:22] <TartanSpartan> I'm trying to give the gnome printer application a real icon.
[14:30] <dobey> TartanSpartan: "real icon" ?
[14:34] <TartanSpartan> Anyone with experience of that?
[14:34] <dobey> TartanSpartan: "real icon" ?
[14:35] <TartanSpartan> Look at the printer icon on Ubuntu whatever version, Unity, GNOME shell etc. That one.
[14:36] <TartanSpartan> Now, if you have the "Printers" application installed on UT devices, it's totally blank.
[14:37] <TartanSpartan> It shows a greyscale version of the Unity icon, which obviously isn't correct.
[14:38] <dobey> TartanSpartan: is "humanity-icon-theme" installed in your container?
[14:39] <TartanSpartan> I'll check that.
[14:40] <TartanSpartan> It is indeed.
[14:46] <taiebot> When are we likely to see the new unav version ? https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2578
[14:49] <TartanSpartan_> I might have missed messages posted since 14:42?
[14:51] <TartanSpartan_> Any advice, dobey?
[14:52] <dobey> TartanSpartan_: hmm, don't know. i think it should be using the icon from that theme and from the container. could maybe be a bug perhaps
[14:56] <TartanSpartan_> Would I be right in thinking that all the other desktop apps e.g. Firefox have a set size of icon say 128x128? Or do you think the size can vary?
[14:58] <dobey> icons from themes can vary in size depending on where the icon gets used; i don't recall the exact specifics of how icons are loaded in the version of stuff on the phone though
[14:59] <TartanSpartan_> Hmm ok. This is actually the M10 though.
[15:00] <dobey> right. phone/tablet.
[15:01] <TartanSpartan_> I think I'll try and duplicate the range of icons on it, exactly as in the desktop installation, so hopefully the symbolic link of "Icon=printer" will pick up on one of them and load it.
[15:06] <TartanSpartan_> Think that'll work?
[15:13] <dobey> i would think if you have the theme installed, it already has the necessary sizes for the icon in it
[15:13] <dobey> TartanSpartan_: do you know which iconf file exactly is being loaded?
[15:15] <TartanSpartan_> iconf? Your typo I guess.
[15:15] <TartanSpartan_> I dunno which file is being loaded and not sure how I would check that.
[15:16] <dobey> TartanSpartan_: how about a screenshot of the icon as shown in the scope then?
[15:16] <TartanSpartan_> Ok, how would I share that on IRC?
[15:17] <dobey> upload it to imgur or somewhere and paste the link to it after uploaded
[15:18] <TartanSpartan_> I'll see how that goes, bear with me.
[15:22] <TartanSpartan_> Here we go:
[15:22] <TartanSpartan_> http://imgur.com/a/UTKvg
[15:23] <TartanSpartan_> So I'm in the process of migrating all files and programs from the "More Desktop Apps" container to the other one "Desktop Apps".
[15:24] <TartanSpartan_> As you can see in "MDA" I experimented with one of the Nautilus icons to see if it could link to the printer icon, but no dice.
[15:25] <dobey> oh it's showing the now icon image. hrmm
[15:25] <dobey> ChrisTownsend: ^^ why is this?
[15:26] <TartanSpartan_> Let me check the path I specified for it...
[15:27] <dobey> i need to get lunch now
[15:31] <TartanSpartan_> Yeah dobey, the path to the icon for Nautilus, I respecified to /home/phablet/Pictures/printer,png
[15:32] <TartanSpartan_> *.png, no comma
[15:32] <TartanSpartan_> i.e. the same one I specified for the printer program.
[15:33] <TartanSpartan_> Please let me know when you get back from lunch :)
[15:49] <TartanSpartan> I'm back, let me know if I missed anything.
[16:11] <TartanSpartan> Back again.
[16:12] <ryanleesipes> Hello TartanSpartan
[16:12] <TartanSpartan> Hey. Were you following my earlier inquiry?
[16:14] <dobey> TartanSpartan: is that printer.png in your home on the root, or inside the container?
[16:15] <TartanSpartan> Root.
[16:16] <dobey> it needs to be in the container
[16:17] <TartanSpartan> Even though the rootfs mounts within the container?
[16:18] <dobey> all of home is bind mounted in the container? i thought only some directories were
[16:18] <TartanSpartan> Well, yeah some of the directories.
[16:19] <TartanSpartan> I'll try moving it into the container and explicitly linking to it with a path in the desktop file. Bear with me.
[16:34] <TartanSpartan> Didn't seem to work. This is my desktop file:
[16:34] <TartanSpartan> http://imgur.com/a/enmYZ
[16:34] <TartanSpartan> And yes I believe that path is an exact link to where I put the file in the container.
[16:35] <CoderEurope> Qu. How do I check if my sd card is recognised on command line ?
[16:39] <ChrisTownsend> TartanSpartan: dobey: The Libertine Scope gets icons from ubuntu-app-launch, which I believe, honors absolute paths for icons.
[16:39] <ChrisTownsend> So if the icon is not showing, I suspect there may be some bug in u-a-l??
[16:39] <dobey> TartanSpartan: no, the full path has to be as if the container is /
[16:40] <dobey> TartanSpartan: also for pasting text, paste.ubuntu.com might be better option than screenshots :)
[16:40] <TartanSpartan> So can you specify an optimal path in that case? I'm sorry but I don't quite get it.
[16:41] <CoderEurope> sans/command line/terminal
[16:41] <dobey> TartanSpartan: Icon=/usr/share/...
[16:43] <TartanSpartan> Ahh, I see what you mean. Brb!
[16:44] <dobey> really the standard Icon=printer should work for that though
[16:44] <TartanSpartan> Yay, that worked! Thanks a lot :)
[16:51] <TartanSpartan> Now, I dunno if anyone knows how to give hplip a full list of printer drivers on UT...?
[16:57] <golden_ticket> Hey is the Meizu PRO 5 ubuntu edition functional in the US?
[16:57] <golden_ticket> Like will it have a decent signal, etc?
[17:01] <NeKit> https://www.frequencycheck.com/compatibility/Ealeulv/meizu-pro-5-ubuntu-edition-m576-dual-sim-td-lte-32gb-meizu-niux/united-states
[17:01] <NeKit> looks like no
[17:04] <TartanSpartan> I ask again, does anyone here actually own a Meizu Pro 5?
[17:05] <CoderEurope> Question,How do I check if my micro sd card is recognised in terminal on UTouch  ?
[17:07] <TartanSpartan> ls /media/phablet try that
[17:09] <CoderEurope> just says 48E5-8975 ?
[17:09] <TartanSpartan> That should be your SD card.
[17:09] <CoderEurope> how do I put stuff in it to check ?
[17:10] <TartanSpartan> What is it formatted as? FAT32?
[17:10] <CoderEurope> ext2
[17:10] <CoderEurope> how do I put stuff in it to check ?
[17:10] <TartanSpartan> Ah, see unfortunately, I don't think UT can accept ext2 devices.
[17:11] <CoderEurope> how do I put stuff in it to check ?
[17:11] <TartanSpartan> Google that to check but I think it can only be FAT32 unless other people can correct me on that point?
[17:11] <CoderEurope> how do I put stuff in it to check ?
[17:12] <CoderEurope> can I take a picture & put it on the micro sd card for example ?
[17:12] <TartanSpartan> I don't think so. Reformat the drive as FAT32 if you can.
[17:13] <CoderEurope> I think it is okay - I didnt get an error message on startup - I just want to transfer a file (pic video whatever) to my micro sd card to check - how do I do that exactly ?
[17:14] <TartanSpartan> I haven't used an EXT2 formatted card before, so I'm not sure. Someone else on IRC might know or if not then just Google "EXT2 micro sd card ubuntu touch".
[17:15] <CoderEurope> So lemme get this right - you dont know how to transfer a *single* media file to the micro sd card on the ubuntu phone , right ?
[17:17] <TartanSpartan> Yes because as I've said I've never used EXT2 on my devices.
[17:17] <TartanSpartan> http://askubuntu.com/questions/739915/auto-mount-sd-card-formatted-as-ext4-on-ubuntu-touch
[17:17] <dobey> CoderEurope: only VFAT (not exFAT) formatted SD cards will be auto-mounted
[17:18] <CoderEurope> okay well lets says it is FAT32 - you still dont know how to transfer a *single* media file to the sd card from the ubuntu touch device, right ?
[17:18] <dobey> CoderEurope: well, cp in terminal, or use file manager app
[17:19] <TartanSpartan> Well sure I do in that case.
[17:19] <dobey> for ext you have to mount it manually, but once mounted copying data to it should be the same
[17:19] <TartanSpartan> Can you even go into the card in file manager and see it's files and folders?
[17:19] <CoderEurope> ut when I type "file manager" into the ubuntu touch -I get nothing ?
[17:19] <CoderEurope> **but when
[17:19] <dobey> type it where?
[17:20] <CoderEurope> on the third panel in the main scopes part after pressing the oramnge button.
[17:20] <dobey> https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.filemanager
[17:21] <dobey> well i guess you mean some scope, but i don't know which one you mean. it should say which scope it is at the top though
[17:22] <dobey> and i don't know if filemanager was installed by default on whatever device you have or not
[17:22] <golden_ticket> Is there any way to install ubuntu on the galaxy s7?
[17:22] <golden_ticket> er
[17:22] <golden_ticket> galaxy s7 active
[17:22] <dobey> !devices | golden_ticket
[17:22] <TartanSpartan> You might also want to install the desktop file manager Nautilus which is better than the mobile file manager app, but one step at a time.
[17:22] <CoderEurope> golden_ticket: http://forum.ubports.com
[17:23] <TartanSpartan> CoderEurope what device are you using?
[17:23] <CoderEurope> E5
[17:23] <TartanSpartan> Ah ok.
[17:24] <CoderEurope> how do I copy and paste in file manager ?
[17:24] <dobey> if it's possible, i would guess long press would open a menu
[17:27] <CoderEurope> well I can create folders - so I guess it is okay
[17:28] <golden_ticket> CoderEurope, thanks
[17:28] <TartanSpartan> dobey, I've deleted a few files before using Nautilus but I probably shouldn
[17:28] <TartanSpartan> 't have. You know? Because it doesn't have a Trash bin set up?
[17:29] <TartanSpartan> So files aren't necessarily deleted but just disappear somewhere off into ether... and that somewhere might still be on the device.
[17:29] <TartanSpartan> *the ether
[17:30] <dobey> no if trash doesn't work the files should just get deleted i would think
[17:30] <dobey> but trash should work i guess
[17:31] <TartanSpartan> I figured you would have Nautilus on your own devices, no?
[17:31] <CoderEurope> I need VPn on my device - I looked at this : http://ow.ly/QsXv30aeqQ6 but got a bit lost - anyone know of any VPN providers ?
[17:32] <golden_ticket> CoderEurope, use VPN gate
[17:32] <TartanSpartan> For my VPN I use Premiumize.me's Netherlands servers, very effective.
[17:32] <golden_ticket> Free vpn that is compatible with openvpn
[17:37] <TartanSpartan> dobey, can I ask what apps you've installed via Libertine?
[17:38] <dobey> TartanSpartan: none. i don't have an m10
[17:39] <CoderEurope> TartanSpartan: It is asking for my friggin' phone number !!!! I dont wabnt the bank top know my phone nuimbner !!!
[17:39] <dobey> so i haven't tried to use nautilus in it
[17:39] <dobey> i don't even really use nautilus that much on my workstation
[17:41] <TartanSpartan> CoderEurope, I don't remember having to use my phone number for payment verification, maybe it's changed since then, sorry.
[17:41] <CoderEurope> Fail !
[17:42] <dobey> relax
[17:42] <CoderEurope> blood outta a stone !
[17:42] <TartanSpartan> dobey, so you don't feel like using desktop apps on your phone with a mouse and keyboard attached?
[17:42] <TartanSpartan> Wow, what an ungrateful guy.
[17:42] <dobey> TartanSpartan: not really no.
[17:43] <dobey> yeah
[17:44] <TartanSpartan> I know it seems a bit pointless e.g. on my MX4, when I have two Ubuntu desktop machines, my M10 and even some RPis which run Libre Office etc.
[17:44] <dobey> sorry man, i'm not going to shopping around for a vpn that meets your requirements for you, because you're too lazy to do it :)
[17:44] <TartanSpartan> Still, good for an emergency situation perhaps.
[17:46] <TartanSpartan> When I get a Pro 5 with wireless convergence, that will be more useful.
[18:10] <TartanSpartan> Bye for now everyone
[21:13] <taiebot> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:13] <taiebot> oups
[21:14] <taiebot> Thanks guys for Unav
[21:21] <JanC> unav is great indeed
[21:51] <taiebot> Yes a big thanks to all the developers which are carrying on on updating their apps. Unav, LoquiIM etc... While i miss my daily ubuntu rc-proposed it's nice to see new features in apps.


[03:06] <ubptgbot> i6Shot was added by: i6Shot
[10:09] <ubptgbot> Carlos Nuno Portu51 was added by: Carlos Nuno Portu51
[10:46] <ubptgbot> Shikhar Khandelwal was added by: Shikhar Khandelwal
 Welcome to all the newcomers! Please take a look to https://ubports.com/meet-the-community to get you up to speed. … There are language focus groups available too :)
[11:12] <wozencro1t> Is signal working on ubports?
 @wozencro1t [Is signal working on ubports?], Yes, more or less. You can try https://open-store.io/app/textsecure.nanuc
[11:18] <wozencro1t> advocatux: Indeed, there is signal in the store, thanks.
 👍
[11:21] <wozencro1t> Interestingly there is no Jami in the store, which works on linux in general
 app dev
[12:19] <ubptgbot> GoProgrammer was added by: GoProgrammer
 @wozencro1t [Interestingly there is no Jami in the store, which works on linux in general], anyone is welcome to build a native converged app for it. apps designed for traditional PC linux do not tend to work well on mobile platforms
 and indeed the "official" "linux" clients are either gnome or electron
 @DiogoConstantino @cibersheep I enjoyed your first app dev podcast.  I'm looking forward to listening to more episodes.
 great
 thank you for your words
 Hi, … Im new to Ubuntu. I have meizo 5 pro ubuntu edition.   … As 2017 no update , i dont use it any more. Now can i update it?! What should i do? Tq
 you need to flash to the ubports server instead using the ubports installer
 as Canonical no longer maintains/supports Ubuntu on phones, their image server and app store have been taken down. UBports community maintains different servers, and to get updates from them, the phone must be re-flashed to the new version of the OS which has the appropriate changes. you may lose some old apps in the process, as many devs
[13:07] <ubptgbot> have not moved their apps to the Open Store nor kept them updated for newer versions of Ubuntu Touch
 Actually i. Dont how to do that, is there any link to explin step by step?!
 @Jimmy_T [@DiogoConstantino @cibersheep I enjoyed your first app dev podcast.  I'm looking …], Thank you very much 💜
 @Te-F [Actually i. Dont how to do that, is there any link to explin step by step?!], https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/turbo
 @dohbee [https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/turbo], Thank u so much 🙂
 @Te-F [Hi, … Im new to Ubuntu. I have meizo 5 pro ubuntu edition.   … As 2017 no update , i …], the update is awesome
 if you use fingerprint, there is a after install script to get that going
 i would advise instead to just not use fingerprint, as messing with rootfs can be problematic :)
 @mateosalta [if you use fingerprint, there is a after install script to get that going], Im so excited to update . … Thank u.
 @dohbee [i would advise instead to just not use fingerprint, as messing with rootfs can b …], Ok sure.
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/396
 lucky to have a meizu pro 5 😛
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[13:29] <ubptgbot> <Nahuel Beeguer> Hi! Question.
[13:30] <ubptgbot> <Nahuel Beeguer> How much ram memory is recommended for the stable use of the system?
 2GB is a good start. Below you will have slow apps and contonuously waiting for app restart
 as much as you can get
 also "stable" is very relative. the system is stable on 1GB phones, but you can't do as much with that amount of RAM. 2GB you can do a lot more. 3-4GB even more.
 @Nahuel Beeguer [How much ram memory is recommended for the stable use of the system?], are you asking for porting to a new device, or are you looking to get an existing supported device to run UT on?
[13:58] <ubptgbot> <Nahuel Beeguer> Thanks!. In cheking if my device is compatible. Samsung j5 prime with 2gb de ram
 it would need to be ported, if it's even possible to port to it
 Wasnt there someone workig on a j5?
 i guess there are multiple "j5" devices, but possibly there is a port in progress. one would have to check https://halium.org status for that
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[15:05] <wozencro1t> dohbee: Yes, I know, was wondering about Jami though because it works well also on android, ios, mac, win,etc. For me this is one of the great gnu developments. State of xmpp is unfortuntely disappointing...
[15:41] <ubptgbot> zhoutsl was added by: zhoutsl
 wozencro1t have you tried Kaidan? It's under heavy development but it's looking great (https://open-store.io/app/im.kaidan.kaidan)
[19:16] <wozencro1t> advocatux: Not yet, so far gajim was the best. But if its about ios, non of them work properly. There are only three, siskin, monal and chatsecure. On BSD features are limited. It's just not a great experience to use xmpp atm
 doesn't ichat use xmpp?
 but really, xmpp was not designed for partial connectivity, so it gets complicated when that's the scenario you want to use it in
 Very recently having issues when responding to an SMS from the notification itself. Message not being sent, doesn't even appear in the main Messages app. N5 `devel`.
 @mateosalta [https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/396], hey - the script works!  Nice to have a fingerprint unlock option now for my Pro 5.  Thanks for pointing this fix out to me.
 @mateosalta [if you use fingerprint, there is a after install script to get that going], will I need to run this script again after each update?
 possibly
 @TotalSonic [will I need to run this script again after each update?], On my Pro 5 devices, fingerprint (re-)installed by this script works fine after each update (RC & OTA). Without running this script again.
 @Jakob [On my Pro 5 devices, fingerprint (re-)installed by this script works fine after …], thanks!
[21:36] <ubptgbot> <A C> Which is better plasma mobile or Ubuntu touch
 @A C [Which is better plasma mobile or Ubuntu touch], Ubuntu Touch.
 Plasma mobile obv
 @A C [Which is better plasma mobile or Ubuntu touch], [Edit] Ubuntu Touch, if you want to actually have something capable as a daily driver.
 @Jakob [On my Pro 5 devices, fingerprint (re-)installed by this script works fine after …], I am gona try too
 @A C [Which is better plasma mobile or Ubuntu touch], The best is, you can choose and even better there are synergies between the projects. Lets grow them further!
 It like the question about which is the best linux, you have to try and decide
 @TotalSonic [Ubuntu Touch, if you want to actually have something capable as a daily driver.], Same point of view here
 @hadrianweb [Same point of view here], UT has been my daily driver since October 2018 - first via a OnePlus One, and now with a Meizu Pro 5 Ubuntu Edition.
[21:51] <flaburgan> hi everyone
[21:51] <flaburgan> I have several bugs I want to report
[21:52] <flaburgan> I'm gonna read the existing ones first, and confirm if I can reproduce on some of them
[21:52] <flaburgan> I would be interested to join the next Q&A, how does that happen?
[21:54] <flaburgan> what's the best way for me to help you, reporting bugs: to use the stable channel, or to use another one?
[21:54] <flaburgan> note: my ubuntu touch device is my primary device
 hmm if it's your stable device you also switch to rc once in while to look for bugs or just confirm bugs on stable there are tags for them in the ubuntu touch repo
 @hadrianweb [It like the question about which is the best linux, you have to try and decide], hey could you pm me pls
 @hadrianweb [It like the question about which is the best linux, you have to try and decide], [Edit] hey could you pm me pls i think we'll pass each again if i say it in here
 Now i am going to sleep, tomorrow we can talk
 I will open pm to you
[22:10] <flaburgan> @Fuseteam not sure I understood your answer sorry
[22:11] <flaburgan> There are three channels available on my device, stable, candidate and dev
[22:11] <flaburgan> I also heard about the edge channel but not sure where it is supposed to be
 @hadrianweb [I will open pm to you], thanks
[22:12] <flaburgan> my question is, is it valuable for you to have bug reports on the stable channel, to know that bugs slicked in the last version, or would you prefere a more up to date channel?
 edge channel breaks regularly so that is a hidden option
 bugs on the stable channel is valuable i believe
 my answer was merely a suggestion really as i'm not a dev
 the suggestion was you could try rc out once in a while to help ensure there are no regressions compared to stable
 or you can also help confirm issues on stable
 can i install ubuntu touch on nexus 5X
 lg
[22:20] <flaburgan> @Fuseteam hm, OTA-10 is coming soon, so I guess switching to the RC now is a good idea?
[22:20] <flaburgan> and then back to stable once OTA-10 is released
[22:20] <flaburgan> is switching back to stable something easy to do?
 @GTAHTI [can i install ubuntu touch on nexus 5X], Hi, no sorry you can´t
 @TotalSonic [will I need to run this script again after each update?], yeah, I think so. I keep it in my documents folder
 @malditobastardo [lucky to have a meizu pro 5 😛], I have 2 :)
 I have no idea whether this is a reliable seller - but this seems like a good price if you have patience to flash it - this seems like a reasonable price for the 4gig RAM 64gig storage version - https://www.ebay.com/itm/90-new-Meizu-PRO-5-64GB-support-Ubuntu-4GB-RAM-Unlocked-DualSIM-NFC-FastCharge/273911840744?hash=item3fc66affe8:g:jf8
[22:51] <ubptgbot> AAOSwbKZdGigf
 [Edit] I have no idea whether this is a reliable seller - but this seems like a reasonable price if you have patience to flash it - this seems like a reasonable price for the 4gig RAM 64gig storage version - https://www.ebay.com/itm/90-new-Meizu-PRO-5-64GB-support-Ubuntu-4GB-RAM-Unlocked-DualSIM-NFC-FastCharge/273911840744?hash=item3fc
[22:51] <ubptgbot> 66affe8:g:jf8AAOSwbKZdGigf
 @flaburgan [@Fuseteam hm, OTA-10 is coming soon, so I guess switching to the RC now is a goo …], it's idea i suppose looks pretty stable to me
 @flaburgan [is switching back to stable something easy to do?], Yes. Its best to verify if the bug still exists on rc or devel, but any bug report is better than none
 [Edit] I have no idea whether this is a reliable seller - but this seems like a reasonable price if you have patience to flash it -  for the 4gig RAM 64gig storage version - https://www.ebay.com/itm/90-new-Meizu-PRO-5-64GB-support-Ubuntu-4GB-RAM-Unlocked-DualSIM-NFC-FastCharge/273911840744?hash=item3fc66affe8:g:jf8AAOSwbKZdGigf
 @TotalSonic [I have no idea whether this is a reliable seller - but this seems like a reasona …], that is where i got mine


[18:07] <finalspacevoid> regarding my previous question about mate and gnome's decision and gtk4 and beyond: does it look manageable right now and will mate be able to eventually transition? sorry if this makes little sense im just not sure what will remain of gnome apps in mate in the future. things like tray and background apps for example


[09:31] <pchoo> hi all,  I have Ubuntu Gnome 16.04.1, with lightdm.  I've installed the NVidia Drivers, and now after I lock and unlock my computer, the background rendering has been corrupted
[09:32] <pchoo> Screen shot here: http://imgur.com/a/QX3qX
[09:32] <pchoo> Anyone got any tips on how to solve this?
[10:20] <pchoo> Additionally, I've got my laptop hooked up to two external monitors.  When the laptop goes to sleep, the HDMI screen stays powered on, but the VGA screen powers off.  Advice?


[06:15] <yecril71pl> I cannot external tracker <URL: http://sourceforge.net/p/sipe/bugs/285/ >: Launchpad does not recognize the bug tracker at this URL.
[06:24] <micahg> I just noticed main archive uploads seemingly happening on virtual builders which doesn't seem right: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mate-terminal/1.10.1+gfdl1-2/+build/7834117
[06:25] <StevenK> I thought that was the eventual plan ...
[06:26] <micahg> maybe I have out of date info...
[06:26] <micahg> wgrant: ^^
[06:28]  * micahg has to go, but hopefully someone can take a look
[06:32] <wgrant> micahg: That's been the case for a few weeks now.
[06:32] <wgrant> micahg: The x86 bare metal builders are deprecated.


[06:02] <RAOF> Hm. Queubot *may* have gone slightly mad.
[06:04] <cjwatson> stgraber: ^- please fix
[12:17] <Trevinho> SRU team, please can you move bamf (xenial) and unity (trusty) sync to proposed?
[12:18] <Trevinho> bdmurray, pitti ^
[12:19] <Trevinho> It would be nice if you guys could provide a "single name" to ping the team alltogether, as it's not so easy to figure out who is in charge. And for xenial we'd need to do quite a lot of SRUs, and I'd like the process to be agile.
[12:32] <Trevinho> Ah, it seems I missed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Publishing...
[12:32] <Trevinho> Then... RAOF ^^ :)
[12:38] <seb128> Trevinho, he's in .au so likely called it a day by now
[12:43] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah... well, leaving that for tomorrow then
[12:44] <seb128> well maybe bdmurray or arges can help you and have a look, would be nice to get those in since LTS users missing menus is not nice and we should already have landed that earlier
[12:44] <seb128> but yeah, let's see
[13:21] <LocutusOfBorg> please accept hexchat merge from new :)
[14:19] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I've just uploaded a bug fixed mate-panel 1.12.2-2 to xenial.
[14:19] <flexiondotorg> Do I need to file an SRU for that?
[14:19] <flexiondotorg> One patch has been added.
[14:21] <Laney> flexiondotorg: You need to make all linked bugs contain the required SRU information
[14:22] <flexiondotorg> So create an SRU.
[14:22] <flexiondotorg> And a comment in the original bug with a link to the SRU?
[14:22] <flexiondotorg> And, an SRU is required.
[14:22] <Laney> No need to file a new bug if the changelog already contains one
[14:22] <Laney> Just edit it
[14:23] <flexiondotorg> Change has the link to the bug.
[14:23] <flexiondotorg> *Changelog
[14:23] <Laney> Then use that one
[14:23] <flexiondotorg> OK, so convert the existing bug into an SRU?
[14:24] <Laney> nod
[14:24] <flexiondotorg> Thanks,.
[14:25] <rbasak> Technically it's the act of uploading to Xenial (or another stable release) that makes it an SRU. One might consider a bug to have SRU information if it has SRU template style description and one or more bug tasks for stable releases.
[14:25] <rbasak> (if that helps make anything clearer)
[14:33] <flexiondotorg> rbasak, I've editted the original bug opening post to include the SRU template.
[15:23] <stgraber> restarting queuebot, lets see if it's happier
[15:38] <cjwatson> stgraber: thanks
[17:03] <slangasek> cjwatson, infinity: the spikes on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg where c-m wanted to demote a number of source packages approximately equal to the number of source packages in main are artifacts in the data, right? any objections to me cleaning those out?
[17:05] <slangasek> cjwatson, infinity: sorry, not http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg, I mean http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.csv
[17:06] <cjwatson> slangasek: fine by me
[17:08] <slangasek> done
[17:08] <slangasek> (backup taken, so revertible)
[18:00] <robru> ^^ please reject these qtmir-gles uploads for xenial/vivid, those are mistakes.
[18:12] <apw> robru, done
[18:12] <slangasek> robru: done
[18:13] <slangasek> :)
[18:13] <apw> oh i wonder what that will do :)
[18:13] <slangasek> apw: you got them first, that explains why the commands silently succeeded for me ;)
[18:13] <apw> ahh :)
[18:26] <Saviq> hi can someone please cancel/restart https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/1.13.2-0ubuntu23/+build/9668581 - it's building for 10h already where it should take ~25mins
[18:26] <Saviq> not sure why the error in the first place, but it shouldn't be stuck for 10h anyway
[18:28] <slangasek> Saviq: retrying the build just increases the chances of us getting stuck with upstart binaries again on s390x, which were deliberately removed
[18:28] <slangasek> Saviq: I guess you care about this for ubuntu-app-launch + ubuntu-ui-toolkit?
[18:28] <Saviq> slangasek, yeah http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/yakkety/update_excuses.html#ubuntu-app-launch
[18:29] <slangasek> is this a new dependency introduced in the new ubuntu-app-launch in -proposed?
[18:29] <Saviq> tedg, ↑↑?
[18:30] <Saviq> slangasek, I doubt it, u-a-l was based on upstart since the beginning
[18:30] <Saviq> we'll need to remove u-a-l and ubuntu-ui-toolkit s390x IIUC?
[18:31] <slangasek> Saviq: yes, that's probably what we want to do; but we don't want to just remove binaries and have them build again (and get stuck again) on the next upload. Can we have these packages declare a build-dep on upstart?
[18:31] <slangasek> (I can remove the binaries now so as not to require a new landing, but I don't want to do this without a committment to fix the underlying issue)
[18:33] <Saviq> slangasek, u-a-l already does
[18:33] <slangasek> haha
[18:33] <slangasek> so it got built during the window when the upstart/s390x binary was in the archive before we removed it, fail
[18:35] <slangasek> Saviq: ok, ual binaries removed from yakkety-proposed for s390x; that should unblock, assuming there aren't other revdeps on ual that have also built on s390x and will also now need removal
[18:36] <Saviq> slangasek, but indeed ubuntu-ui-toolkit does not B-D on upstart - not sure if it should D on it in the first place
[18:36] <slangasek> also, it's awfully unfriendly of proposed-migration to refuse to consider this package a candidate given that the same package is uninstallable already in yakkety on s390x
[18:47]  * tedg back
[18:47] <tedg> Thanks slangasek
[19:59]  * pitti sighs at the xenial-proposed queue, ok, let's go
[20:04] <pitti> much of it is just xnox doing half an archive rebuild :)
[20:04] <slangasek> pitti: hmm, did you see my notes on all of those SRU bugs? :)
[20:05] <slangasek> those were !accepted because they're lacking autopkgtests and therefore an SRU regression test plan
[20:05] <slangasek> so, test plan still missing, but now they're in -proposed so at increased risk of publication without ever being tested <shrug>
[20:06] <pitti> right, so they need to be smoketested maunally
[20:07] <pitti> slangasek: ah, ok (and no, didn't see your comment in the middle of the bug trail, sorry)
[20:07] <pitti> it seemed to me that without proposed binaries there's little chance of actually testing them
[20:08] <pitti> leaving the others in -proposed then, resuming at cacti-spine
[20:11] <bdmurray> slangasek: Could you fully phase this systemd SRU for xenial? the problems are all package install failures
[20:11] <Saviq> slangasek, do you need to delete the u-a-l packages too http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/yakkety/update_excuses.html#ubuntu-app-launch ?
[20:14] <pitti> bdmurray: indeed, I saw another instance of bug 1560797, one instance of bug 1584751, and two failures of pam-auth-update; none of that was touched in the SRU, these were old bugs
[20:16] <slangasek> Saviq: dohh, I removed them from yakkety instead of yakkety-proposed? fixed now
[20:17] <slangasek> bdmurray: done
[20:20] <Saviq> slangasek, is this a new thing that we don't want upstart for s390x? it seems it was happily there for xenial?
[20:20] <Saviq> except for the -proposed versions that died on power and s390x...
[20:21] <slangasek> Saviq: it's only used for client sessions in xenial and beyond, which do not apply on s390x.  It built by chance on s390x before, then regressed due to problems apparently outside control of upstart itself
[20:22] <Saviq> slangasek, ack, filing a bug for uitk
[20:43] <pitti> arges: SRU handover for xenial: upower is from myself (review appreciated), everything else up to unity-control-center (my current top) is blocked on something and has bug followups
[20:43] <pitti> ah, forgot some
[20:53] <pitti> jamespage: crmsh in wily-proposed queue> this is essentially a backport, and wily seems mostly uninteresting for servers (even more now that xenial is released); does bug 1445616 still actually make sense to SRU?
[20:54]  * pitti sees a bunch of similar major new upstream releases in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+queue?queue_state=1
[21:02] <Saviq> hrm should this not have gone away by now http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/yakkety/update_excuses.html#ubuntu-app-launch ¿?
[21:03] <pitti>  ubuntu-app-launch          | 0.9+16.04.20160510.2-0ubuntu1 | yakkety-proposed/universe | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el, s390x
[21:03] <pitti> Saviq: no ^
[21:03] <pitti> s390x was removed from yakkety, but not yakkety-proposed
[21:03] <Saviq> slangasek, ↑?
[21:03] <pitti> or it was and this is publisher/mirror lag
[21:03] <Saviq> ack
[21:08] <pitti> arges: wily SRU handover> IMHO all the remaining packages in the queue (manila is my top one) should be rejected and not be an SRU
[21:08] <pitti> bugs commented on
[21:17] <pitti> caribou: ping @ bug 1532789
[21:34] <slangasek> pitti, Saviq: yes, publisher + proposed-migration delay; should look better on the next run
[21:34] <Saviq> ack
[21:35] <Saviq> indeed it's already gone
[21:41] <pitti> *phew, SRU queues all processed
[21:47] <arges> pitti: ack