[12:02] <sobukus> wtf ... is it normal that when I manually did 'service gdm stop' and 'service gdm start', the shutdown/reboot functionality from within gdm is broken?
[12:02] <sobukus> I cannot turn off the machine with the mouse
[12:02] <sobukus> always goes back to login screen
[12:26] <sobukus> holstein: I commented on the USB install bug
[12:26] <sobukus> ... just after realizing that the AVLinux DVD I wanted to try is broken and prepping an USB disk instead
[12:35] <sobukus> Also AVLinux doesn't change the fact that a Toshiba Portété R500 is crap for audio work. It needs at minimum 3x512 buffers to avoid xruns all the time
[12:36] <sobukus> while with the same USB audio interface, a Thinkpad X200 (with a lowlat-like kernel) does manage 3x64, even.
[12:36] <Blank__> sobukus, i've yet to try this laptop with the realtime kernel... I can't run buffers at anything lower than 3x1024 otherwise i get xruns
[12:36] <sobukus> Blank__: what machine?.
[12:36] <Blank__> sobukus, clevo m770cuh I believ
[12:37] <Blank__> believe*
[12:37] <Blank__> got it from elky actually :)
[12:38] <Blank__> who is someone in another ubuntu channel
[12:38] <sobukus> hm, 3x1024 is rather bad if you intend to do any realtime work
[12:38] <Blank__> (it's late and i'm tired, didn't realise this wasn't the channel i thought it was)
[12:38] <Blank__> sobukus, that's just on the generic kernel... i've got the realtime installed and will be testing it soon
[12:39] <sobukus> too bad realtime kernel is no option on the R500 because of broken intel drm driver
[12:39] <sobukus> need >=2.6.35
[12:39] <Blank__> needless to say, it seems something in this laptop prevents me from going higher than 48k sample rate, with a firewire interface that's rated at 96k
[12:39] <sobukus> oh ... firewire ... a whole new area of issues;-)
[12:39] <Blank__> yeah, i'm disappointed that there isn't anything newer than 2.6.33
[12:40] <Blank__> i've got the firewire interface working alright with my desktop, but this laptop...
[12:40] <sobukus> if in doubt, pc cards with Ti firewire chips are available ...
[12:40] <Blank__> i've got one with a JMicron chip... :/
[12:40] <sobukus> internal firewire doesn't have to work well
[12:40] <Blank__> i didn't end up getting internal firewire with this
[12:40] <sobukus> ah
[12:40] <sobukus> dunno about JMicron
[12:41] <sobukus> I had trouble with ricoh, nvidia
[12:41] <sobukus> working with Ti and VIA
[12:42] <sobukus> hm, AVLinux 4.2 isn't a good testbed .. the Ardour2 on there is craptaculously crashhappy
[12:43] <Blank__> oh...
[12:43] <Blank__> i wouldn't know as i've been running kxstudio for months now
[12:43] <Blank__> over half a year
[12:45] <sobukus> well, I booted avlinux to check if the crappyness is ubuntu studio
[12:45] <sobukus> as my Thinkpad runs Source Mage with some custom setup
[12:46] <sobukus> now checking the Thinkpad with avlinux
[12:50] <Blank__> hmm
[12:50] <Blank__> well i'm going to test with the realtime kernel tomorrow... who knows, might even be able to run my interface above 48k
[12:51] <Blank__> i'll only be mildly disappointed if i can't, as it's not crucial
[12:54] <Blank__> wouldn't mind lowering the latency a bit more, though
[12:54] <Blank__> i'm off... need to attempt to sleep, hot weather sucks at nighttime
[14:05] <holstein> sobukus: thanks :)
[14:05] <holstein> ^^ for commenting on that bug
[14:06] <holstein> is that your email on the list?
[14:54] <sobukus> holstein: I am on the list ... but did I write recently?
[14:54] <sobukus> some weeks ago
[14:54] <holstein> sobukus: maybe not
[14:55] <holstein> just seemed relelvant
[14:55] <holstein> so much so, that i was sure it was you
[15:01] <sobukus> anyhow ... this toshiba is struggling with a 7-track project in ardour
[15:02] <sobukus> playback, that is ... it manages it only with 3x512 buffers, not below
[15:02] <sobukus> while a thinkpad x200 still has lots of fun at 3x128
[15:02] <gordonjcp> sobukus: USB audio?
[15:02] <sobukus> yes, both the same interface
[15:02] <gordonjcp> interesting
[15:02] <gordonjcp> 512 is fne
[15:02] <gordonjcp> *fine
[15:03] <sobukus> it's the utmost limit I can sortof bear when plugging a guitar into rackarrack
[15:03] <sobukus> and I'm no guitarist
[15:04] <gordonjcp> hm, I rarely use software effects on a monitor loop
[15:04] <sobukus> well, I hope the machine will be fine for recording and it won't be needed for live effects
[15:04] <sobukus> the usb interface does have direct monitoring
[15:04] <gordonjcp> I don't really use effects plugins much anyway
[15:04] <holstein> sobukus: how about the internal interface?
[15:05] <sobukus> holstein: not better
[15:05] <holstein> can you get lowerlatency with it?
[15:05] <holstein> hmmm
[15:05] <sobukus> this laptop is utterly misdesigned for latency
[15:05] <sobukus> it does ... something
[15:05] <holstein> i would think you should be able to get sub 20ms
[15:05] <sobukus> it's a castrated i945 (one memory channel), and an ULV core2duo
[15:05] <virtu> whats up holstein? =)
[15:05] <sobukus> but still that should be plentz power
[15:05] <holstein> virtu: o/
[15:06] <holstein> sobukus: agreed
[15:06] <holstein> should be
[15:06] <virtu> holstein: finally got a better webcam to catch my videos =)
[15:06] <sobukus> My old thinkpad with single-core pentium M had better performance
[15:06] <holstein> sobukus: what about
[15:06] <holstein> cat /proc/interrupts
[15:07] <holstein> sobukus: ive gotten much better than that
[15:07] <holstein> with dynebolic on a p3 with 256 of ram
[15:07] <holstein> internal sound card ;)
[15:07] <sobukus> yes
[15:07] <holstein> AND my old eee900
[15:07] <holstein> thats strange
[15:07] <sobukus> I remember this laptop also not being very well with firewire (FA-101) .. and the firewire chip even has its own interrupt
[15:08] <holstein> what chip?
[15:08] <sobukus> hm, one interrupt shared between usb5 and i915
[15:08] <sobukus> now which one is usb5
[15:08] <sobukus> holstein: texas instruments;-)
[15:08] <holstein> sobukus: you'be probably tried *all* the USB ports anyways
[15:08] <holstein> sobukus: thats SO strange
[15:09] <holstein> sobukus: would you pastebin lspci
[15:09] <sobukus> it's something in the basic setup of that machine that always gives hickups
[15:10] <holstein> yeah, thats challenging
[15:10] <holstein> its not like only the USB is funky
[15:10] <holstein> that would be an easier trouble-shooting scenario
[15:10] <holstein> in theory
[15:11] <holstein> sobukus: i assume you have updated the bios?
[15:11] <holstein> OR downgraded even...
[15:11] <sobukus> http://pastebin.com/G6UxYHxb
[15:12] <holstein> hmmm
[15:12] <holstein> my kernel dev friend is not online
[15:13] <holstein> sobukus: that might be something he would look at
[15:13] <holstein> and see something relating to the kernel
[15:13] <holstein> something that we are not seeing
[15:13] <holstein> sobukus: i might ask you for that again
[15:13] <sobukus> well, this machine had several kernels
[15:13] <holstein> if you remind me, and he's online
[15:14] <sobukus> hm, another usb port ... no, the same ... occasional xrun with 3x256
[15:15] <sobukus> holstein: I don't know if it's worth the bother
[15:15] <sobukus> I'll hand this machine over soon (today)
[15:15] <holstein> cool
[15:15] <holstein> well, if it works out
[15:15] <holstein> we can ask him
[15:15] <holstein> cant hurt
[15:15] <sobukus> I'll tell the user not to mess with the jack settings ... and that for live play direct monitoring is to be used
[15:15] <holstein> sobukus: thats do-able
[15:16] <sobukus> and I'll try not to tell about rackarrack
[15:16] <holstein> just no live rakarrack
[15:16] <sobukus> zes
[15:16] <sobukus> yes
[15:16] <holstein> most machines would have that limitation
[15:16] <holstein> just not to this degree
[15:16] <holstein> sobukus: 10.10 ?
[15:16] <holstein> did you try something with the old JACK ?
[15:17] <sobukus> well, for live play with distortion, the occasional xrun really doesn't add vert much:-/
[15:17] <sobukus> 10.10
[15:17] <holstein> even the old dyne-bolic disc
[15:17] <sobukus> AVLinux
[15:17] <sobukus> 4.2
[15:17] <holstein> thats JACK2 right?
[15:17] <holstein> pretty sure
[15:17] <sobukus> and this laptop used to be my daily box for some time, before jack 2, I think ... not too sure, I think I switched to jackdmp quite soon, as it's a dual core
[15:18] <sobukus> no, I think it's jack1, actually
[15:18] <sobukus> but not sure
[15:18] <holstein> thats all i got for ideas
[15:18] <sobukus> Well, for now, let's leave it at that that the hardware somewhat sucks.
[15:19] <holstein> im comfortable with that ;)
[15:19] <holstein> since you're getting rid of it
[15:19] <sobukus> I really would like to rip out that transflective tft and stuff it into my thinkpad
[15:19] <holstein> and its not mine
[15:19] <sobukus> yeah ... and just maybe it's a little upgrade from a msi wind
[15:20] <sobukus> the main incentive is actually that ardour2 doesn't fit onto the wind's screen
[15:20] <holstein> thers was some talk about that
[15:20] <holstein> someone in #opensourcemusicians
[15:20] <sobukus> But yes, it will be good to have distance from the machine, since it always kept be thinking why it is so darn slow with a Core2Duo.
[15:21] <holstein> using ardour on a 9"
[15:21] <sobukus> ardour2 was the reason I sweared at xorg for dropping panning support ... before re-introducing it in xrandr 1.3
[15:21] <sobukus> we had a 15in xga screen ... not funny
[15:38] <xyclo_> Hi!
[15:38] <xyclo_> Anybody having issues with sound cutting on Skype?
[15:38] <xyclo_> It happens to me every single time, about 4-5 min into the conversation
[15:39] <holstein> hey xyclo_
[15:39] <xyclo_> hi holstein
[15:39] <holstein> i would try and trouble-shoot
[15:39] <holstein> using some other software
[15:39] <holstein> some other voip
[15:39] <holstein> maybe the google chat audio/video thingy
[15:39] <xyclo_> Actually sound cuts sometimes from Firefox
[15:40] <xyclo_> Good idea
[15:40] <holstein> when you say 'sound cuts'
[15:40] <holstein> no more sound?
[15:40] <xyclo_> It does not occur in the same way
[15:40] <holstein> what do you do to recover
[15:40] <xyclo_> yes
[15:40] <xyclo_> on Firefox just reload the page works most times
[15:40] <xyclo_> Skype crashes
[15:41] <xyclo_> I have to isolate what type of apps on firefox crash
[15:41] <holstein> IF you can't recover the sound
[15:41] <xyclo_> ie Flash, etc
[15:41] <holstein> sudo /sbin/alsa force-reload
[15:41] <holstein> try that ^^
[15:41] <xyclo_> Right
[15:41] <xyclo_> I did
[15:41] <holstein> what you are describing seems like normal things
[15:41] <xyclo_> don{t recall what happens...
[15:41] <holstein> flash
[15:41] <holstein> skype
[15:41] <holstein> skype is still beta
[15:41] <xyclo_> true
[15:41] <xyclo_> but it used to work fine
[15:41] <holstein> flash is just never going to work right for us
[15:42] <holstein> xyclo_: when?
[15:42] <xyclo_> I recently installed 10.04 Studio
[15:42] <holstein> right
[15:42] <xyclo_> and have made so many changes
[15:42] <xyclo_> at the same time
[15:42] <holstein> xyclo_: in the future
[15:42] <holstein> dont install ubuntustudio
[15:42] <xyclo_> that it is hard to know what to blame!
[15:42] <holstein> just use the normal version
[15:42] <holstein> and install the packages you need
[15:42] <xyclo_> hm
[15:42] <holstein> from ubuntustudio
[15:42] <xyclo_> I actually did that
[15:43] <holstein> that will give you a more 'desktop' system
[15:43] <holstein> as a base
[15:43] <xyclo_> although I guess I installed almost all studio packages
[15:43] <xyclo_> I do music
[15:43] <holstein> and that should be fine
[15:43] <holstein> xyclo_: its hard to say what has changed
[15:43] <holstein> in skype
[15:43] <holstein> either in buntu
[15:43] <xyclo_> what about the rt kernel?
[15:43] <holstein> OR the skype package
[15:44] <xyclo_> could it be some priority issue?
[15:44] <holstein> xyclo_: try the generic one
[15:44] <holstein> OR -lowlatency
[15:44] <holstein> if RT is problematic
[15:44] <holstein> if you're asking, with the -rt kernel help with skype
[15:44] <holstein> i say no
[15:44] <xyclo_> How do I use the generic without switching completely?
[15:44] <holstein> for me
[15:44] <xyclo_> I do not get the menu at the beginning...
[15:44] <holstein> most of my machines
[15:45] <holstein> i have grub showing
[15:45] <holstein> at boot
[15:45] <xyclo_> how?
[15:45] <holstein> and i just choose
[15:45] <holstein> xyclo_: several ways
[15:45] <holstein> you can hit the shift key
[15:45] <holstein> each time
[15:45] <xyclo_> ok
[15:45] <xyclo_> I'll try that.
[15:45] <xyclo_> I'll let you know if you are still there in a while!
[15:46] <holstein> OR
[15:46] <holstein> sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[15:46] <holstein> or gedit if you prefer
[15:46] <holstein> gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[15:46] <xyclo_> aha
[15:46] <xyclo_> i see
[15:46] <holstein> and the line that has....
[15:46] <holstein> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[15:46] <holstein> you comment that out
[15:47] <holstein> add the # to the front
[15:47] <xyclo_> yep
[15:47] <xyclo_> ok
[15:47] <xyclo_> thx!
[15:47] <holstein> then, you need to save that file
[15:47] <holstein> THEN
[15:47] <holstein> run...
[15:47] <holstein> sudo update-grub
[15:47] <holstein> then, on the next boot, you should be able to choose
[15:48] <holstein> i also usually change...
[15:48] <holstein> GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
[15:48] <holstein> to -1
[15:48] <holstein> so the timer isnt running at all
[15:48] <holstein> i just choose
[15:48] <xyclo_> yes!
[15:49] <xyclo_> it timesout every other time!
[15:49] <xyclo_> good point
[15:49] <xyclo_> did not know how to fix that either
[15:49] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[15:49] <holstein> all those tweaks are explained there
[15:49] <xyclo_> I read, but got lost...
[15:49] <xyclo_> I'll check again
[15:49] <holstein> then, you can choose rt or whatever at boot
[15:49] <holstein> almost like dual booting :)
[15:50] <holstein> handy for the laptops i have that i make pull double-duty
[15:50] <holstein> xyclo_: also
[15:50] <sandra_> Hello. I'm trying to make a Echo AudioFire 4 work on Ubuntu 10.10. Should I install ubuntustudio-audio?
[15:50] <holstein> you are always welcome to come here and ask whatever
[15:50] <holstein> anytime
[15:50] <holstein> BUT those questions are not necessarily ubuntustudio specific
[15:51] <holstein> SO
[15:51] <holstein> if you come here and its dead
[15:51] <holstein> feel free to 'cast a wider net' as far as support
[15:51] <holstein> sandra_: not yet
[15:51] <holstein> sandra_: did you check ffado?
[15:52] <sandra_> holstein, I run ListDevices and I've got this: 0       0x0f00000000000000  0x000F0000  0x00000AF4   Echo Digital Audio - AudioFire4
[15:52] <xyclo_> I have asked in several channels already
[15:52] <sandra_> holstein, but I don't know what else to try, as I'm really new to this kind of stuff.
[15:53] <xyclo_> but  I am glad I got here
[15:53] <xyclo_> these are good ideas
[15:53] <holstein> xyclo_: just so you know, if you're frustrated at some point
[15:53] <holstein> #ubuntu-beginners is a good one
[15:53] <holstein> not that you're a beginner ;)
[15:53] <holstein> just a frequented channel with resonalbe traffic
[15:54] <xyclo_> ha, I am beginning, but I am not a beginner...
[15:54] <xyclo_> if that makes any sense!
[15:54] <holstein> sandra_: http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/69
[15:54] <holstein> looks like you're good to go
[15:54] <xyclo_> thanks!
[15:54] <holstein> sandra_: open a terminal
[15:54] <xyclo_> gotta go
[15:54] <holstein> xyclo_: laterx :)
[15:55] <holstein> sandra_: run sudo apt-get install qjackctl
[15:55] <holstein> make sure that you see a list of packages that want to get installed
[15:55] <holstein> such as jackd-firewire
[15:55] <holstein> something like that
[15:56] <holstein> sandra_: eventually i suggest you install ubuntustudio-audio and ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
[15:56] <holstein> but, i need to run
[15:56] <holstein> and JACK wont take so long to install
[15:56] <holstein> we should have time to get you up and running
[15:56] <holstein> in a few minutes
[15:56] <sandra_> holstein, thanks. yes, I have jackd-firewire isntalled
[15:56] <holstein> OK
[15:56] <holstein> sandra_: in the terminal
[15:56] <holstein> run
[15:57] <holstein> sudo qjackctl
[15:57] <holstein> ^^ you wont do this all the time
[15:57] <holstein> its not a good idea to run JACK as root normally
[15:57] <holstein> everyday*
[15:57] <holstein> sandra_: click 'setup'
[15:57] <holstein> on the far left
[15:58] <holstein> is the 'realtime' box ticked?
[15:58] <holstein> in the center, set frames/period to 512
[15:58] <holstein> samplerate to 44100
[15:58] <holstein> periods/buffer to 2
[15:59] <holstein> THEN
[15:59] <holstein> up at the top
[15:59] <holstein> the driver drop down menu
[15:59] <holstein> choose 'firewire'
[15:59] <holstein> hit OK
[15:59] <holstein> and close 'setup'
[15:59] <holstein> go back to the main JACK window
[15:59] <holstein> and try hitting 'start'
[15:59] <holstein> and tell me what happens
[16:01] <sandra_> Everything is set up as you say, but it doesn't start.
[16:01] <holstein> sandra_: you started with
[16:01] <holstein> sudo qjackctl ?
[16:01] <holstein> what happens?
[16:02] <sandra_> let me  paste this somewhere.
[16:02] <holstein> sure
[16:02] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[16:02] <holstein> or whatever
[16:03] <sandra_> https://gist.github.com/812548
[16:03] <sandra_> Some messages are in Spanish, sorry.
[16:03] <holstein> no worries :)
[16:04] <sandra_> firewire ERR: FFADO: Error creating virtual device
[16:04] <holstein> 17:03:07.800 No puede conectarse al servidor JACK como cliente. - La operación global falló. - No puede conectarse al servidor. Por favor revise la ventana de mensajes para mas información.
[16:04] <holstein> cannot connect to JACK as server?
[16:04] <holstein> what does that say ^^
[16:04] <sandra_> Cannot connect to Jack server as a client.
[16:04] <sandra_> that's what it says.
[16:05] <sandra_> The global operation failed - Cannot connect to server. Please chec log window for more information.
[16:05] <sandra_> I think the problem is around here:<PHONE_NUMBER>4:  (ffado.cpp)[  92] ffado_streaming_init: libffado 2.999.0- built Aug 11 2010 00:12:04
[16:05] <sandra_> firewire ERR: FFADO: Error creating virtual device
[16:05] <sandra_> Cannot attach audio driver
[16:05] <sandra_> JackServer::Open() failed with -1
[16:06] <holstein> sandra_: im not going to have time
[16:06] <holstein> i have a couple suggestions
[16:06] <holstein> #jack or course
[16:07] <holstein> #opensourcemusicians
[16:07] <sandra_> Thank you holstein. I'm already a step forward :)
[16:07] <holstein> and #musix is spanish speaking and ubuntu based
[16:07] <holstein> sandra_: i think its helpful to run sudo qjackctl
[16:07] <holstein> at this point
[16:07] <holstein> because, you can bypass some permissions errors
[16:08] <holstein> that you will likely have after getting it setup
[16:08] <holstein> those are easier to deal with though
[16:08] <holstein> sandra_: IF you have other ports
[16:08] <holstein> on the unit
[16:08] <sandra_> yes, I'll do that.
[16:08] <holstein> OR firewire card
[16:08] <holstein> you could try those
[16:08] <sandra_> Nah, only one in this laptop.
[16:08] <holstein> there are other settings in jack control too
[16:08] <sandra_> Pretty simple home setup here.
[16:09] <holstein> under the 'interface' settings
[16:09] <holstein> defaults work for me though
[16:09] <holstein> with presonus firepod
[16:09] <holstein> sandra_: if ffado says it supported
[16:09] <holstein> we'll get you sorted out
[16:09] <holstein> just might take some time
[16:12] <holstein> BBL...
[16:13] <sandra_> me too
[17:01] <sandra_> More information in here: https://gist.github.com/53f21a0f46e0ef36f7a6
[17:15] <sandra_> According to http://ubuntu-ky.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1670258 Ubunto 10.10 won't work with an Echo AudioFire 4? :)
[17:20] <holstein> sandra_: im not really back
[17:20] <holstein> im at a LUG
[17:20] <holstein> BUT
[17:20] <holstein> i would suggest using 10.04 anyways
[17:20] <holstein> IF you want to test
[17:21] <holstein> you can try http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/
[17:21] <holstein> as a lucid live CD
[18:07] <Strayfolk> about midi. how do I link 2 midi controllers, one very simple guitar2midi (note,vel,pitch) controller to an advanced midi workstation with expressionpedals etc. and use the first one for note input and the second one for controllers (expression for instance...)
[18:08] <Strayfolk> and the whole mess into a sequencer (renoise)
[18:32] <gordonjcp> Strayfolk: sounds like you're looking for some sort of MIDI merge
[18:33] <Strayfolk> yes
[18:33] <Strayfolk> how is that done?
[18:33] <Strayfolk> I managed to work around it using 2 different midi interfaces, one firewire and one usb
[18:34] <Strayfolk> but it would be awesome to do it in one move
[18:50] <ajwill> hhi all, I need some help
[18:51] <ajwill> I'm working on installing ubuntu studio on my computer in a partition I have set aside, but it's not working
[18:54] <ajwill> I have the dvd image for my computer (32 bit) downloaded from this site: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/10.10/release/ (I got the link from the ubuntu studio project website) and installed it on a 2gb usb data traveller via universal USB installer, but when I go to install, it says it cant mount the CD-ROM
[19:33] <MikeMike1> is anybody in here?
[19:42] <virtu> Finally recorded an audio with no cracks
[19:42] <virtu> =))
[21:43] <ScottL> wow, so many people post then quit
[22:24] <gordonjcp> that MikeMike1 was in #ubuntu and getting no help at all with Ubuntu Studio
[22:24] <holstein> gordonjcp: still there?
[22:25] <gordonjcp> holstein: hello
[22:25] <holstein> gordonjcp: o/
[22:25] <holstein> i mean, is mikemike still there
[22:25] <gordonjcp> he seems to be
[22:25] <holstein> oh, thats not the guy
[22:26] <holstein> i could help ajwill
[22:26] <holstein> and get ajwill to add onto a bug i have


[00:03] <rmg51> elbbog
[03:02]  * ChinnoDog yawns
[04:08]  * ChinnoDog count some sheep
[04:08] <ChinnoDog> s/count/counts/
[09:31] <rmg51> Morning
[09:58] <waltman> Morning?
[10:17] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:34] <waltman> Huh.