[12:16] <toma> 1  10 of 1366 results and no way to search?
[12:17] <toma> or to change the amount per page
[12:17] <toma> so i need to search 136 for a string that might not be there ;-)
[12:18] <Riddell> you could grep the .po files
[12:19] <toma> ah, export
[12:20] <Riddell> toma: or apy-get source language-pack-nl-base
[12:20] <toma> thnxs
[12:49] <Riddell> hmm, what in main build-deps on cmake?
[12:59] <nixternal> Riddell: I am getting ready to freeze Kubuntu docs. So I will have a package in a bit for you
[12:59] <nixternal> is LP even open for translations yet?
[12:59] <Riddell> nixternal: I'll be asleep :)
[12:59] <nixternal> hehe
[12:59] <Riddell> nixternal: they're important, about half done I believe
[12:59] <Riddell> no
[12:59] <Riddell> nixternal: they're importing, about half done I believe
[12:59] <nixternal> roger
[12:59] <nixternal> heh, I didn't get the important, importing I get :)
[01:00] <nixternal> cool. so I have a few to tweak a little bit then
[01:16] <jjesse> everytime i try to upgrade from edgy to feisty adept_updater crashes
[01:16] <manchicken> Ooh, fun.
[01:16] <jjesse> it crashes on the download of the packageds
[01:16] <manchicken> Are you using the upgrade tool?
[01:16] <jjesse> trying to
[01:16] <manchicken> Weird.
[01:16] <jjesse> both adept_updater and also the upgrade tool crash during the download of the packages
[01:17] <jjesse> after about 2 hours
[01:17] <manchicken> Nice quick testing goes into that it seems.  heh
[01:21] <Riddell> jjesse: adept from where?
[01:21] <jjesse> Riddell: i'm downloading from the us mirror
[01:22] <jjesse> and it starts to download and about 2 hours of downloading the packagtes adept will crash
[01:22] <jjesse> both the upgrader which is a great tool and adept_updater do the same thing
[01:23] <Riddell> wah
[01:23] <jjesse> sorry i didn't save the output of the crash
[01:33] <Riddell> fingers crossed it'll be in the archive by the time I wake up and I'll test it again
[01:54] <Riddell> freeflying: qt 3.3.8 is in feisty, if you are able to test it for scim that would be great
[02:45] <jjesse> downloading package 339 out of 700 and some :(
[03:07] <yuriy_> there's a bug against kde4libs...
[03:07] <yuriy_> an apport one
[03:07] <yuriy_> can such things just be rejected?
[03:13] <crimsun> yuriy_: we're actually discussing that (kde4 UVF exception)
[03:15] <yuriy_> crimsun: this is a crash report
[03:16] <crimsun> my inclination would be to reject it, but it may be useful to upstream
[03:16] <crimsun> that's one of the problems with having a snapshot package in a release
[03:17] <crimsun> if you have time, see if it has been reported upstream already
[03:17] <yuriy_> maybe i should ask if they want bugs/crashes in kde4. i imagine they are not particularly useful there either considering everything is constantly being worked on
[03:18] <yuriy_> hey Hobbsee!
[03:18] <yuriy_> Hobbsee: happy women's day!
[03:18] <Hobbsee> hey yuriy_!
[03:18] <Hobbsee> yuriy_: :D
[03:18] <yuriy_> (sorry if my timezone is off)
[03:18] <Hobbsee> it's fine
[03:18] <crimsun> happy women's day to me, too!
[03:18] <crimsun> oh wait..
[03:19] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!
[03:20] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[03:20] <Hobbsee> crimsun: heh
[03:20] <jjesse> hiya Hobbsee
[03:21] <Hobbsee> hey jjesse!
[03:21] <jjesse> how are you ?
[03:22] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[03:23] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[03:23] <Hobbsee> jjesse: good!
[03:32] <yuriy_> Hobbsee: there is!
[03:32] <Hobbsee><EMAIL_ADDRESS>it appears
[03:33] <Jucato> there is? wow
[03:33] <yuriy_> crimsun: hmm i'm not so sure these are kde4 bugs actually, could apport be getting confused? or are the reporters confused...
[03:33] <yuriy_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bugs
[03:34] <yuriy_> the last one is legit, the others have comments like "don't know what's the problem, i've just lanched kde as ususally"
[03:35] <crimsun> reject them all.
[03:36] <crimsun> those kde4 snaps are for edgy, not feisty.
[03:36] <crimsun> he needs to at least reproduce them on currenty edgy _not_ feisty
[03:36] <crimsun> there are far too many variables to account for differences between edgy and feisty without worrying about actual kde4 snapshot bugs
[03:37] <yuriy_> crimsun: well actually there are snaps in feisty universe. but yeah i'm rejecting them all.
[03:38] <yuriy_> oh the one with that description has a comment that he did install it
[03:38] <yuriy_> i was thinking how did he not realize?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> crimsun: how do the launchpad addresses validate?  ie, when i upload a package, with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in the changelog, will it still recognise it as the hobbsee on lp, without the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>being my primary mail?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> or do they do it with gpg keys instead?
[03:45] <crimsun> keys
[03:46] <Hobbsee> right
[03:46] <crimsun> although you should ask lifeless to be sure
[03:47] <poningru> her?
[03:47] <poningru> oh... nm
[03:47] <Hobbsee> hrh
[03:47] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:48] <poningru> a female green alien?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: dont veto the kde4 stuff - it'll be very clear what it is.
[03:48] <Hobbsee> poningru: seems so
[03:48] <ajmitch> "clearly obsolete"
[03:49] <poningru> 0wnd
[03:49] <Hobbsee> yeah, well
[08:39] <fabo> Lure: around ?
[08:39] <fabo> hi hobbsee :)
[08:42] <Lure> fabo: hi
[08:42] <Lure> fabo: I was wondering about big patch in strigi
[08:42] <Lure> fabo: there are two problems with 0.3.11: plugins crash and hang on filtering (moslty with pdftotext)
[08:43] <Lure> fabo: patch has changed quite some handling of filters/converters
[08:43] <Lure> fabo: and why do we not compile with inotify support
[08:44] <fabo> Lure: 1) plugins crash: atm they are unstable. Jos prefer to disable them atm.
[08:44] <fabo> until he fixes it properly
[08:45] <Lure> fabo: fine with me
[08:45] <fabo> for kubuntu, we can disable them, just we'll have an "empty" plugins package
[08:45] <fabo> but it is preferable than ship them
[08:46] <fabo> 2) filtering, i'm not aware of the issue.
[08:46] <fabo> if you have step to reproduce, we can probably fix it.
[08:47] <fabo> 3) inotify support is not complete/stable
[08:48] <fabo> jos and flavio prefered to focus on strigi daemon, inotify will be enabled as soon as it becomes stable
[08:48] <Lure> fabo: what about 01_strigi_branch_r623754.diff
[08:49] <Lure> fabo: is this there for good reason?
[08:49] <Lure> fabo: and from which branch this is taken in kde svn?
[08:49] <fabo> i must check, but if i remember it fixed a couple of issue for 64bits arch
[08:51] <fabo> from playground/base/strigi
[08:51] <Lure> fabo: ok, thanks
[08:52] <Lure> fabo: there was no branch/tag for 0.3.11, so I did not know if this patch is actually 0.3.11 diff
[08:53] <fabo> my step was: download 0.3.11, checkout playground/base/strigi, create patch between them
[08:57] <fabo> Lure: btw, you can come in #strigi , jos/egon/micron are usually here for coding question
[08:58] <Lure> fabo: thanks for tip, will dive into this tonight
[09:18] <allee> Riddell: digikam in Gnome session fix: http://paste.debian.net/23362
[09:42] <Jucato> Hobbsee: have you seen toadstool's blog post?
[09:43] <Hobbsee> Jucato: is toadstool jeremy?
[09:43] <Hobbsee> if so, yes
[09:43] <Jucato> yeah
[09:43] <Hobbsee> Jucato: which is why it concerns me that there's no kubuntu specific person on the MOTU council.
[09:44] <Hobbsee> etc
[09:44] <Jucato> ah... :(
[09:44] <Jucato> maybe someone should tell him the packages are for developers (or maybe someone already did?)
[10:05] <raphink> Riddell: do you know about konquefox?
[11:12] <poningru> raphink: konquefox??
[11:13] <poningru> awesome
[11:13] <poningru> http://konquefox.free.fr/
[11:17] <Riddelll> dear gods
[11:20] <Tm_T> Riddelll: Yes?
[11:25] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:25] <Hobbsee> poor Riddelll
[11:25] <Tm_T> Jucato: What blogpost?
[11:25] <poningru> rofl
[11:33] <Jucato> Tm_T: the one on Planet Ubuntu, about KDE 4 packages
[11:38] <Riddelll> wow, what a twonkle, why doesn't he reply on the thread instead of blogging
[11:38] <Tm_T> Jucato: Ok, will look at it.
[11:39] <Jucato> some people feel that blogging will get them more attention and probably some sympathy, mostly from people who read the blog w/o knowing the real facts :)
[11:40] <Jucato> hm.. snails...
[11:40] <Jucato> ew!!!
[11:40] <Jucato> you had to choose my arch-enemies... :(
[11:40] <Hobbsee> but they're a good form of protein!
[11:40] <Hobbsee> lifeless says so!
[11:41] <Jucato> O.o
[11:41] <Riddelll> he doesn't even have comments on his blog so I can't even flame him back unless I blog myself
[11:42] <raphink> you trust someone called "lifeless" on what is good for your healt Hobbsee ??!!
[11:42] <Tm_T> Jucato: Ah that, silly.
[11:42] <sebas> What a moron.
[11:42] <Hobbsee> raphink: heh.  no.  but i did meet him at UDS, and jono appears to trust him :P
[11:43] <Jucato> seems to be his first post in the planet, too
[11:43] <Riddelll> you havn't been to a UDS..
[11:43] <Hobbsee> er, sorry, whatever the thing here was...
[11:43] <Hobbsee> LCA.
[11:44] <Hobbsee> (linux conf australia)
[11:45] <_StefanS_> hey ppl
[11:45] <_StefanS_> ladies and gentlemen :)
[11:45] <Jucato> hi _StefanS_!
[11:45] <_StefanS_> hey Jucato
[11:45] <Hobbsee> heya _StefanS_
[11:46] <_StefanS_> :D
[11:46] <_StefanS_> anything happening ?
[11:46] <Jucato> I wouldn't know...
[11:46] <_StefanS_> Me neither.. I only work here
[11:46] <_StefanS_> me know nothing
[11:46] <Jucato> lol
[11:47] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: chew the food properly
[11:47] <_StefanS_> Jucato: err, thats alot
[11:47] <_StefanS_> Jucato: Qt thingy you talked about ?
[11:47] <Jucato> nope
[11:47] <Jucato> Beginning Linux Programming 3rd Ed :)
[11:47] <_StefanS_> I just got a massage, damn I'm kinda soar..
[11:48] <_StefanS_> oh nice
[11:48] <_StefanS_> c++ also i rekon
[11:48] <Jucato> given a choice between (O'ReilleyProgramming in Qt
[11:48] <Jucato> blah
[11:48] <Jucato> _StefanS_: covers a whole range, from shell scripts to GTK and Qt
[11:49] <_StefanS_> Jucato: sure hope its a good book, let me know
[11:49] <Jucato> given a choice between (O'Reilley's) Programming in Qt (published 2004) and Teach Yourself Qt in 24 yours (published 2000), and this book, I chose this one :)
[11:49] <Jucato> sure
[11:51] <_StefanS_> aw just got some new headphones from sennheiser - they sound suberb wow
[11:54] <_StefanS_> err .. in electronics? - that sounds wierd
[11:55] <Hobbsee> the guy had the list of names in the class in front of him :P
[11:55] <_StefanS_> he was coming on to you properly hehe
[11:56] <_StefanS_> probably
[11:56] <_StefanS_> damn my sentences are bad today also..
[11:57] <Hobbsee> heh.  hope not
[11:57] <Hobbsee> if he was, he's to be disappointed
[11:57] <Jucato> oh why? :D
[11:58] <crimsun> because Hobbsee's married to kubuntu
[11:58] <crimsun> (duh!)
[11:58] <_StefanS_> haha
[11:58] <Jucato> lol
[11:58] <Jucato> hm.. but if kubuntu == riddell... then O.O
[11:59] <Hobbsee> haha
[11:59] <Hobbsee> uh...
[11:59] <_StefanS_> well robots needs lovin' too...
[11:59] <Jucato> :D
[11:59] <Jucato> oh great! I just pressed Ctrl+L in konvi...
[11:59] <_StefanS_> working 24/7
[12:00] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: if so, he talks in a non-robot-like way
[12:01] <Jucato> if so, he's also a very huggable robot (ask Hobbsee)
[12:02] <Hobbsee> he hasnt seemed to ever try to eat me, which is a good start though.
[12:02] <Riddell> today I'm not huggable
[12:02] <Riddell> today I'm in a bad bad mood
[12:02] <Jucato> aw.. :(
[12:02] <Riddell> which fortunately doesn't happy to me much
[12:02] <Riddell> err, happen
[12:03] <Hobbsee> :(
[12:05] <Riddell> I'm not that bad!
[12:06] <Hobbsee> oh good
[12:07] <allee> Riddell: you feel better with bug-- ? ;)  [09:18]  <allee> Riddell: digikam in Gnome session fix: http://paste.debian.net/23362
[12:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: wow.
[12:13] <Hobbsee> @ the -motu blog post
[12:13] <Hobbsee> er, -blog
[12:13] <Riddell> I just flamed him back on the ubuntu-motu mailing list
[12:13] <Hobbsee> yep :D
[12:16] <Jucato> >:D
[12:17] <Hobbsee> [22:17]  [Whois]  Toadstool has been idle for 8 hours, 56 minutes, and 51 seconds.
[12:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you could flame him on irc in real time too, when he wakes up if you really wanted :P
[12:17] <Riddell> I'd rather not
[12:17] <Tm_T> Who/where I should ask about ubuntu kernel issues?
[12:17] <Tm_T> "Note: You need to have CONFIG_USB_NET_CDCETHER compiled either into the kernel, or as a module, in your kernel config."
[12:18] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: #ubuntu-kernel
[12:18] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: Thanks.
[12:30] <GNUro> 'lo!
[12:57] <Riddell> grump
[12:58] <lotusleaf> kubuntu 4 life k thx
[01:02] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, whats his name on irc ?
[01:03] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: who's?
[01:03] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: jeremy corbier?
[01:03] <Riddell> best not to go flaming people on irc
[01:04] <Tm_T> Without flamesuit ofcourse.
[01:05] <Tm_T> I'm getting closer in syncing my iPaq with Linux. :)
[01:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's toadstool.  iirc, he's on the MOTU council too
[01:09] <Tm_T> Or tool?
[01:10] <Hobbsee> hey now, be nice
[01:12] <imbrandon> Riddell, i wasent going to, just wanted to know who it was
[01:54] <Riddell> we seem to have an authoritah problem
[01:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: in regards to the kde4 + motu stuff, or other stuff?
[01:55] <Riddell> yes
[01:56] <Hobbsee> presumably kubuntu council should have authority over kubuntu specific packages, as they're the ones doing the bug work, along with other kubuntu people, rather htan those who dont touch, and dont know anything about kde?
[01:59] <Riddell> not necessarily, it's bad practice to be approving our own UVF exceptions or whatever
[02:00] <Hobbsee> well, true
[02:00] <Riddell> but in this case I stopped caring about MOTU council now that they flamed me on planet
[02:00] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:01] <Jucato> :)
[02:02] <Hobbsee> it was only one of them, not them as a whole...but true.
[02:06] <Riddell> aye, but I'm in a bad mood today so I'm going to grump at them all just because I want to
[02:06] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:07] <Hobbsee> sounds good to me
[02:09] <sebas> Why do they object now but didn't when the spec was approved?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> can i have strength too?  i have to go to work tomorrow...
[02:09] <sebas> Hobbsee: Sure thing :-)
[02:10] <Riddell> sebas: specs are expected to be implemented by feature freeze
[02:10] <sebas> I'm smelling some people being afraid of KDE, not for the first time.
[02:10] <Riddell> I don't think it's that
[02:10] <Hobbsee> sebas: because when the spec was approved, they werent involved in it.
[02:11] <freeflying> Riddell: Will test the lscim/skim this weekend for qt-3.3.8
[02:11] <sebas> Riddell: Well, those packages are obviously not touched by this, if only one applies common sense.
[02:11] <Riddell> freeflying: thanks
[02:11] <sebas> What is better: Having broken packages before UVF that are utterly useless at release date or having less broken, useful packages at all?
[02:11] <sebas> Hobbsee: Right, then they should stfu
[02:12] <Riddell> now now, no need to swear, even in acronym
[02:12] <sebas> Right.
[02:12] <sebas> IMO it's either reading stuff and complaining in time, or not complaining.
[02:12] <imbrandon> they just dont see the helpfull ness to have the latest development versino in the erpo, it will prepare us and them for +1
[02:13] <Hobbsee> sebas: i've put forward that argument for SRU's, but...
[02:13] <sebas> Thing is that if they reject it now, they get worst of both worlds.
[02:13] <imbrandon> sebas, exactly
[02:13] <sebas> Work is already put in, and that's their concern.
[02:13] <Hobbsee> there's no major difference in putting it on kubuntu.org or in the universe repos
[02:13] <Hobbsee> user-wise
[02:14] <sebas> Well, in that case we didn't need to discuss that at all.
[02:14] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, sure there is 1) most developers from KDE want it OOTB, 2) Riddell dosnet have to personaly build all arches
[02:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: well, yeah.  i was thinking in terms of most users, who would just add that extra repo
[02:14] <imbrandon> Riddell, although did you see i put the MOTU/core-dev buildd's up ( x86 , ppc and sparc all in production )
[02:15] <imbrandon> Riddell, every motu and core-dev has an account
[02:15] <imbrandon> and pbuilders are up for breezy to feisty + sid
[02:15] <sebas> Yeah, though the argument is "fix kde3 packages first" is totally bogus, the kde4 packages work is mostly done (as I understand) and rejecting the upload now causes even more work (which then cannot go into fixing *any* packages)
[02:16] <imbrandon> sooo if you need help building we now have the resources in my DC ( and x86_64 soon )
[02:16] <Riddell> imbrandon: not seen that, where is it?
[02:16] <Riddell> sebas: actually the KDE 4 upstreams have a bunch of copyright problems
[02:16] <imbrandon> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for ppc , aurora. for x86 and sparky. for sparc ( uses your ssh key from LP )
[02:16] <sebas> Riddell: Which is exactly what we want to find out now (and would be a disaster when packaging on release day)
[02:16] <imbrandon> Riddell, ^^
[02:17] <Riddell> sebas: very true
[02:17] <imbrandon> i sent an email to -motu and -devel but i thinhk it got burried
[02:17] <imbrandon> that and i added a ppc since then
[02:18] <imbrandon> copyright problems?
[02:18] <sebas> Which are those copyright problems btw?
[02:20] <Riddell> missing LGPL texts
[02:25] <sebas> But the license notices are in the files?
[02:33] <Riddell> yes, but the licence itself isn't
[02:39] <sebas> Should be easy to fix then (easy == without tracking down individual contributors, but just adding the necessary files)
[02:40] <Riddell> yes
[02:41] <Riddell> it's just another thing to make me more grumpy today that's all
[02:41] <sebas> Understandable.
[02:42] <sebas> Sometimes, I've these days where you end up with dealing with lots of small but important issues all day.
[02:42] <imbrandon> Riddell, here is the hostnames and login info etc for future ref http://www.imbrandon.com/index.php/2007/03/09/motu-build-network-update/
[02:42] <sebas> At the end of the day, I get the feeling that the day was wasted, even though lots of small things vanished from the TODO list
[02:42] <imbrandon> any motu / core-dev can help you build pcakcages on ppc and otheres now
[02:42] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:43] <Jucato> imbrandon: nice blog post btw. gives me some ideas :)
[02:43] <imbrandon> hehe what one, i've done two today
[02:43] <imbrandon> lol
[02:43] <imbrandon> ahh that one
[02:44] <Jucato> heh I didn't know you made another one. I read them as they come in Akregator (from the Planet) :D
[02:44] <sebas> imbrandon: There's a typo in your resume, s/effert/effort
[02:44] <imbrandon> sebas, thanks, yea i need to update that thing badly, its 2+ years old
[02:48] <sebas> Yeah, always the thing with this kind of documents
[03:02] <manchicken> Man, I wish some programs were ported to win32 so when my employer forces me to use win32 I can still use programs I'm used to.
[03:03] <Jucato> adept would have very little use in win32
[03:03] <manchicken> katapult being one of the big things I miss... which is ironic since I never thought I'd find a good use for katapult.
[03:03] <manchicken> Jucato: Truth has come forth from your pie-hole ;)
[03:03] <Jucato> manchicken: http://www.launchy.net/
[03:03] <manchicken> OOh reeeealy?
[03:03] <Jucato> yes
[03:04] <Jucato> came across that while doing my "launcher" research
[03:04] <manchicken> Me likey.
[03:04] <Jucato> there are some "little" things that makes launchy better than Katapult
[03:04] <Jucato> but very little
[03:04] <manchicken> Working in a coffee shop rocks.
[03:05] <Jucato> at least you could work in a coffee shop... :P
[03:06] <manchicken> Dude, I had the best BBQ sauce last night.
[03:06] <manchicken> Freakin' awesome!
[03:06] <manchicken> Mango habenero.
[03:06] <Jucato> O.o
[03:06] <manchicken> Nice spice, soooo sweet.
[03:07] <Jucato> bbq'ed mango?
[03:07] <manchicken> No, it was chicken ;)
[03:07] <Jucato> you ate your own kind? :P
[03:07] <manchicken> The sauce was made with mango and habenero peppers though :)
[03:08] <Jucato> lol
[03:17] <imbrandon> manchicken, thats nuts i was just eating mango habenero wings from buffalo wild wings when i looked up and read the backlog
[03:18] <manchicken> imbrandon: That's were I had them.
[03:18] <manchicken> imbrandon: Except that it was last night, and it was boneless wing night.
[03:18] <imbrandon> yup yup
[03:18] <Jucato> crazy coincidence :)
[03:18] <imbrandon> i bought them last night , ate some and then finished them off for lunch today ;)
[03:19] <imbrandon> those things rock
[03:19] <manchicken> Nice.
[03:19] <manchicken> Dude, boneless thursdays rock.
[03:19] <imbrandon> yea 50c
[03:19] <imbrandon> a peice
[03:19] <manchicken> We went and played trivia, and I got almost drunk.
[03:19] <manchicken> :)
[03:19] <imbrandon> lol
[03:20] <imbrandon> now how fskin cool is this widget http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2007/03/reflections.html
[03:21] <Jucato> wow
[03:27] <neutraloss> anyone have problems with open office dependencies off the repo?
[03:29] <bddebian> Heya
[03:29] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[03:29] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[03:49] <jdong> imbrandon: what do you think are the chances of UVFe for KTorrent 2.1.1?
[03:49] <jdong> (bugfix release, debdiff from 2.1-0ubuntu1 applies cleanly, builds)
[03:50] <elcuco__> hi, i would like to help translate kubuntu, however no one on the kubuntu-hebrew team is responding to mail. what can i do?
[03:51] <Riddell> jdong: the changelog starts with "rewrite" and I ran away screaming
[03:52] <Riddell> elcuco__: there's a kubuntu-hewbrew team?
[03:52] <Riddell> s/w//
[03:52] <Jucato> !il
[03:52] <ubotu>         :
[03:52] <ubotu> /join #ubuntu-il
[03:52] <jdong> Riddell: lol, gotta LOVE ktorrent upstream :)
[03:52] <imbrandon> rewrite? ummm
[03:53] <jdong> imbrandon: rewrite of some of the networking code
[03:53] <jdong> diffstat @ bug 90787
[03:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90787 in ktorrent "UVFe: KTorrent 2.1.1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90787
[03:53] <elcuco__> there are some people written on some page, but they do not responce to mail. i think you should clean that team, and put my name in that team.
[03:54] <Riddell> elcuco__: which page?
[03:55] <Riddell> jdong: how is backports running these days?
[03:55] <jdong> Riddell: it runs whenever my MIT homework load dies below 4hrs :)
[03:55] <jdong> Riddell: I plan on doing a lot of backports work today
[03:56] <Riddell> jdong: how can I request them?
[03:56] <imbrandon> Riddell, me and crimsun can do backports work too
[03:56] <jdong> Riddell: file bug against dapper/edgy-backports
[03:56] <imbrandon> Riddell, file a bug against {dapper,edgy}-backports product
[03:58] <Riddell> imbrandon, jdong: bug reports requesting ksniffer and cmake backports filed
[03:58] <elcuco__> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-he
[03:58] <elcuco__> Riddell: for example sivan is not responding
[03:59] <Riddell> that's surprising
[03:59] <jdong> imbrandon: can you file that? I gotta get to class soon :)
[03:59] <elcuco__> also, i get no response at #ubuntu-il
[04:00] <Riddell> hmm, sivang hasn't been online since january, wonder what's up with him
[04:01] <Riddell> elcuco__: seems like there's a fair case for chaning the ownership of the team then
[04:01] <jdong> hopefully off at some great tropical resort
[04:01] <Riddell> elcuco__: but it's nothing I can do, you need to ask the rosetta admins https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/rosetta-users
[04:03] <elcuco__> ok. thanks. btw, the ubuntu.org.il site used to be a semi official site for ubuntu in israel. it's now offline. but i assume this is something you don't really care about :)\
[04:03] <Riddell> was that sivan too?
[04:04] <Riddell> jdong: sivan along with others who live in hot desert countries, seem to prefer holidaying in dreich Edinburgh
[04:05] <jdong> :)
[04:15] <elcuco__> Riddell: i am not sure about that site, and i don't really care. i found another 2 members, one has no contact information, and the other (a chick, how cool!), just got my mail. lets see what happens next.
[04:44] <Riddell> mhb: wibble
[04:45] <Riddell> mhb: so the dist upgrader /should/ be ready to test now
[04:45] <Riddell> but you need to quit adept at the correct time
[04:46] <Riddell> humph
[04:59] <DaSkreech> Riddell: ok Just checking.
[05:24] <nixternal> Riddell: I have the Kubuntu docs package building perfectly EXCEPT..Firefox-homepage linking still wants to link to the old about-kubuntu instead of my new firefox-startpage I did for Kubuntu
[05:25] <nixternal> I am sure this won't be a problem with a fresh install using this package, but people like me who are updating, it doesn't fix the link correctly
[05:25] <nixternal> what if I change the 40 in the postinst file to 41, does that make the new link more important, or does going lower do so?
[05:27] <Riddell> that doesn't sound like a good tactic
[05:27] <Riddell> nixternal: if it's not changing for you it's likely it thinks you have it set to a custom target so it won't change it at all
[05:28] <nixternal> well it adds the link fine (update-alternatives --display firefox-homepage), but it doesn't move the link from the old setup to the new setup
[05:28] <nixternal> it is like the prerm file isn't working and not removing the old link first
[05:31] <Riddell> I just said..
[05:37] <eean> kwwii_: I think that "Colored scrollbars" should be off by default in Polyester
[05:37] <eean> or at least it should be a dark blue color :)
[05:37] <eean> it *shouldn't
[05:37] <kwwii_> eean: yeah, I was thinking about that too, but without the color you can hardly notice what is the scrollbar and what is the well
[05:38] <eean> kwwii_: yea I know what you mean...
[05:38] <eean> it would be fine if its was just gray
[05:39] <kwwii_> the hardest thing is that the color used in the scrollbar is the color uses as the selection color
[05:39] <kwwii_> s/uses/used
[05:40] <eean> well this could be changed I would think, but I don't see a gray color in the color scheme
[05:40] <eean> heh Inactive Title Blend
[05:40] <eean> use that instead ;)
[05:43] <eean> kwwii_: plastik doesn't have this problem, its scrollbar has a nice border
[05:44] <kwwii_> eean: true
[05:51] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[07:56] <nixternal> Riddell: debdiff or the entire package? kubuntu-docs that is?
[07:57] <nixternal> Riddell: also, should I create a patch to fix Konqueror links in the main window to show System Docs and remove the desktop guide, packaging guide, and server guide?
[07:59] <nixternal> I am uploading all + debdiff now
[08:06] <nixternal> Riddell: KTorrent 2.1.2 released - Security Release
[08:11] <nixternal> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-announce&m=117346514411140&w=2
[08:15] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/pkg/kdocs-feisty/   <- Kubuntu docs package - installed locally and working great!
[08:18] <fdoving> great work nixternal. :)
[08:18] <Lure> nixternal: you should probably ping security-team
[08:18] <nixternal> Lure: will do. Riddell wanted a way to get KTorrent 2.1.1 in with a UVF but couldn't find a reason to, now we have one :)
[08:18] <nixternal> fdoving: thank you!
[08:18] <Lure> nixternal: ;-)
[08:36] <nixternal> argh, they dropped the security-review list didn't they?
[08:36] <nixternal> that is why I can't freakin' send to it ;p
[08:47] <nixternal> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4557
[08:47] <nixternal> ^^ KTorrent 2.1.2 upload
[09:05] <larsivi> are anyone here responsible for a google summer of code organzation?
[09:05] <larsivi> both firefox and konqueror (in feisty) redirects their apply howto page to some other - wgetting it gives me the correct page though ...
[09:06] <larsivi> http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/gsoc-mentor-organization-application-how-to
[09:06] <larsivi> ^ if anyone would want to try
[09:32] <jdong> Riddell: heh KTorrent 2.1.2 released with security fixes :(
[09:33] <jdong> Riddell: the security patches depend on the new networking thread splitup in 2.1.1... so I think it's easier on everyone just to UVF it?
[09:36] <nixternal> jdong: I beat you to the punch :)
[09:36] <jdong> nixternal: ah, thanks :)
[09:36] <nixternal> hehe, no problem
[09:37] <jdong> that makes me feel better :)
[09:37] <nixternal> already emailed -motu (since security-review is gone), and put an updated pkg on revu
[09:37] <jdong> nixternal: very col
[09:37] <nixternal> jdong: Riddell wanted to get 2.1.1 updated in the repos but we couldn't find a changelog that would qualify for  UVF, now we have a reason :)
[09:38] <jdong> nixternal: I also managed to prod upstream into a makeshift changelog
[09:38] <jdong> nixternal: as soon as my firefox starts responding to me again
[09:38] <nixternal> hehe
[09:38] <nixternal> cool, it is very much needed
[09:38] <jdong> GAH
[09:38] <jdong> DIE BEAGLE DIE
[09:38] <jdong> http://ktorrent.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1379
[09:39] <jdong> it's still pathetic a changelog, but better than "misc bug fixes"
[09:41] <jdong> Riddell: ^^ somewhat a changelog of KT 2.1.x
[09:56] <nixternal> jdong: ya, we looked at that changelog the other day, Riddell was worried about the "webserver" portion
[09:57] <jdong> nixternal: it's not on by default in any case
[09:57] <nixternal> ahhh
[09:57] <jdong> nixternal: and those who put up a web frontend to their bittorrent client don't care much about security to begin with :D
[09:57] <nixternal> true
[09:57] <jdong> nixternal: i.e. we don't eye netcat very closely and it can be much more of a security threat :D
[10:00] <nixternal> heh, haven't messed with nc in a long long time
[10:19] <Lure> Riddell: maybe we should just release with rc6 - this sounds too good to miss in feisty: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/03/05/181224
[10:20] <jdong> Lure: it is shiny... maybe some FEisty test debs?
[10:20] <jdong> Lure: I'd be glad to send it thru a real beating :)
[10:20] <Lure> jdong: seaLne was working on them, not sure how far he got. I compiled rc6 from tar and it works for me
[10:21] <jdong> Lure: in any case it'd be nice to have some packages, see what the impact of it is
[10:22] <jdong> I'm still pretty irked about the introduction of Xorg 7.2
[10:37] <Tm_T> What's the wifitool in KDE I should test/use?
[10:38] <Tm_T> I'm trying to finally dive into wlan world seriously.
[10:38] <jdong> knetworkmanager
[10:38] <Tm_T> Thanks.
[10:40] <fdoving> if it fails kwlan works. but it could need some gui-polish.
[10:41] <Tm_T> Hmm knetworkamanger doesn't see my wlan interface...
[10:41] <Lure> Tm_T: what wifi driver?
[10:41] <Tm_T> Err, good question.
[10:43] <Tm_T> rausb0    RT73 WLAN
[10:45] <Lure> Tm_T: does it work w/o network-manager?
[10:45] <Tm_T> wlassistant does even find networks, never succeeded to connect yet though.
[10:46] <Lure> Tm_T: what does "iwlist scan" say
[10:46] <Tm_T> Returns three networks to rausb0
[10:47] <Lure> Tm_T: according to http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerHardware rt73 does not sound promising for n-m
[10:47] <Tm_T> Hmm, I see.
[10:47] <fdoving> networkmanager usually doesn't work.. in my experience.
[10:48] <fdoving> kwlan usually does.
[10:51] <jdong> Lure: All ralinks behave badly with nm
[10:51] <jdong> rt2400,2500,2570,rt73
[10:51] <Lure> jdong: yep, I just was not sure that rt73 is ralink...
[10:51] <jdong> they have race conditions with SMP+PREEMPT that lead to kernel panics
[10:56] <imbrandon> heya kwwii
[10:56] <kwwii> hey imbrandon, wassup?
[10:56] <imbrandon> nadda, just wakin up ;)
[10:56] <imbrandon> you?
[10:57] <imbrandon> hey you gonna make it to Portland OR this summer ?
[10:57] <kwwii> imbrandon: Portland? what is going on there?
[10:58] <imbrandon> ubuntu live
[10:58] <Tm_T> Awww.
[10:58] <imbrandon> btw nice usplash for feisty, love it much better than the edgy one
[10:58] <Tm_T> When I tried to connect to wlan, eth halted. =)
[10:59] <imbrandon> kwwii, www.ubuntulive.com
[10:59] <kwwii> hrm, not sure if I'll make that
[10:59] <kwwii> thanks, good to hear you like it
[11:00] <imbrandon> hehe cool, just wondering , i'm definately going to that one, not sure if i'll make spain or not
[11:00] <imbrandon> trying to but you know how that is
[11:00] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:00] <kwwii> sure
[11:00] <kwwii> I wish I did not have to go :p
[11:01] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:01] <imbrandon> spain sounds fun actualy, better than san fran
[11:02] <kwwii> just more alcohol
[11:02] <kwwii> and a few less english speakers :-)
[11:02] <imbrandon> hehe and my history with latin women i might find a new ex-wife ;)
[11:02] <imbrandon> #3
[11:02] <imbrandon> lol
[11:03] <nixternal> kwwii: all you need to know is "que hora es" and "uno mas"
[11:03] <kwwii> lol
[11:03] <kwwii> yeah
[11:03] <Tm_T> imbrandon: Wife? Is is some kind of tool?
[11:03] <kwwii> no worries about me in spain, I speak pretty well after a day or so
[11:03] <nixternal> latin and latino are way different :)
[11:03] <imbrandon> Tm_T, yea they are tools all right, just not one i can explain here
[11:03] <nixternal> latin women are nice, those latino women will....well you know :)
[11:03] <Tm_T> imbrandon: Hmm, then I might not like to hear.
[11:04] <nixternal> do they still jam the Gypsy Kings out there? It has been a few years since I was last in Spain
[11:05] <imbrandon> kwwii, did you see the qt itunes ( like ) widget , http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2007/03/reflections.html
[11:06] <imbrandon> thats gonna soo rock rok 2.0 hard
[11:06] <nixternal> kwwii: you seen the artwork with PCLinuxOS?
[11:06] <kwwii> boah, killer
[11:06] <kwwii> nixternal: nope
[11:06] <nixternal> not to shabby really, but 1995 called and said they want their icons and KMenu back
[11:07] <kwwii> yeah, there has been a guy hanging around here and the art channel asking lots of questions
[11:07] <imbrandon> dude it look so win95
[11:08] <nixternal> imbrandon: ya it does
[11:08] <nixternal> it is a very solid OS though
[11:08] <nixternal> I don't agree with all the restricted codecs out of the box
[11:08] <imbrandon> i do, shit should just work, let the programers worry about IP not the end user
[11:09] <imbrandon> imho
[11:09] <jdong> imbrandon: +1
[11:09] <jdong> nixternal: that's one of the biggest raves I hear from PCLOS, MEPIS, etc
[11:10] <jdong> nixternal: their media and 3D JUST WORKED.
[11:10] <nixternal> oh I know it is, but I still don't agree with it
[11:10] <jdong> instead of the nice surprises here, like how ffmpeg is partially castrated
[11:10] <jdong> partial castration sucks.
[11:10] <nixternal> if every OS did that, then there would be no reason to work towards free standards
[11:10] <jdong> nixternal: at the ame time working towards free standards by locking out all other options is hypocritical
[11:11] <nixternal> never said anything about locking out other options
[11:11] <nixternal> the user should have the option to choose, not the OS
[11:11] <jdong> nixternal: by not including mp3/aac what do you think you're doing?
[11:11] <jdong> nixternal: with Ubuntu the option to choose is pull down ffmpeg and patch and rebuild
[11:11] <jdong> pfft.
[11:12] <jdong> if the non-free choice was easier to choose, I'd be fine with it
[11:12] <jdong> i.e. what Restricted  Manager is doing with video
[11:12] <jdong> right on.
[11:12] <nixternal> I am sorry, but that type of attitude is the same type that will eventually cat Linux >> Microsoft clones
[11:13] <jdong> meh, we'll never reach any agreement on this topic :)
[11:13] <fdoving> we want free.
[11:13] <imbrandon> no, your looking at it from the same view as a user/developer
[11:13] <nixternal> true
[11:13] <nixternal> fdoving: you tell um
[11:15] <nixternal> I just installed mp3 stuff the other night to listen t Mez DJ :)
[11:16] <nixternal> when I rip my CDs, I do ogg, movies ogg
[11:16] <nixternal> the only thing I have is Flash, I can't live w/o YouTube yet :)
[11:16] <imbrandon> vorbis and theora ? ogg is a container ;)
[11:16] <nixternal> jes
[11:16] <jdong> imbrandon:that's mean.
[11:16] <jdong> lol
[11:17] <imbrandon> silly people ;)
[11:17] <nixternal> ogg is ogg, you know what I am referring to
[11:17] <jdong> imbrandon: I make ogg aac+H.264s to tick off my RMS-worhsipping friends.
[11:17] <jdong> "hey cool it's ogg! wait WTF?"
[11:17] <imbrandon> no ogg can have aac audio and mpeg video if you wanted
[11:17] <imbrandon> its justa  container
[11:17] <fdoving> like .avi.
[11:17] <jdong> it's just as much fun as setting shell to wine cmd.exe
[11:17] <nixternal> yup
[11:17] <imbrandon> exactly fdoving
[11:18] <jdong> I wish ogg theora was somewhat more competent though :(
[11:18] <jdong> I do my audio stuff in ogg nowadays
[11:18] <jdong> but I still choose H.264 for video
[11:19] <fdoving> we prefer free software. nonfree is just a backup in those cases free software isn't working properly yet, like flash.
[11:19] <imbrandon> fdoving, exactly
[11:19] <imbrandon> but use the backup dont throw it out
[11:19] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:19] <jdong> fdoving: or when the free solution is seriously/prohibitively limited
[11:20] <fdoving> yes.
[11:20] <imbrandon> even linus dident write the kernel on a free OS , there wasent one yet, same with gcc etc
[11:21] <imbrandon> cant have your cake and eat it tooo, yet
[11:21] <fdoving> but i'm not sure i like the idea of including nonfree software.
[11:21] <jdong> fdoving: if not include it, make it reasonably effortless for people to get to them.
[11:21] <nixternal> only because the University of Helsinki only had Sun Solaris :)
[11:21] <jdong> fdoving: deliver an RMS sermon then hit clickwrap, fine.
[11:21] <fdoving> jdong: that, i support of course.
[11:21] <imbrandon> i'm all for it, it will help the adoption of the OS , THEN let the programers work in replacements
[11:21] <jdong> but "recompile this and patch that and hope it doesn't break your system?" no
[11:22] <imbrandon> clickwrap is just the same fskin thing, people that support clickwrap but dont support putting it directly in are hippocrites
[11:22] <imbrandon> plain and simple
[11:22] <yuriy> hi all
[11:23] <jdong> imbrandon: clickwrap is a compromise....
[11:23] <imbrandon> its an un-needed hurdle
[11:23] <imbrandon> you either support the use of it or you dont
[11:24] <imbrandon> i dont chastize people for not wanting to install flash, but to make it "install on demand" and be "ok" is just ignorant
[11:24] <jdong> point taken
[11:24] <fdoving> install on demand is NOT nice.
[11:25] <yuriy> hmm what's the argument?
[11:25] <fdoving> install on user-selects-to-install is nice.
[11:25] <jdong> I think it's rather "install-on-demand" due to space reasons vs idealogical ones
[11:25] <jdong> I'm fine with the former
[11:25] <jdong> but if it's purely ideologically motivated, then I fully see imbrandon's point.
[11:26] <imbrandon> space constraints are totaly diffrent , yes
[11:27] <fdoving> this konqueror auto-install-flash feature is a ugly evil beast imho.
[11:27] <imbrandon> fdoving, yes , yes it is, but thats OUR worry, not the end users, someday gnash will replace it
[11:27] <jdong> fdoving: don't you guys have a amarok auto-install mp3 thing too? :D
[11:27] <imbrandon> and as it should
[11:27] <imbrandon> jdong, yes
[11:27] <jdong> whee :)
[11:27] <nixternal> really?
[11:28] <nixternal> How come Amarok didn't auto-install mp3 stuff the other night when I tried to listen to an mp3 stream from Mez?
[11:28] <imbrandon> streams are handled diffrently
[11:28] <nixternal> ahh
[11:28] <jdong> nixternal: you got the RMS patchset installed...
[11:28] <nixternal> OK
[11:28] <nixternal> RMS == dirt to me
[11:28] <imbrandon> rok needs to be fixed to trigger the script on streams too
[11:28] <nixternal> he has worn his philosophy out
[11:28] <jdong> nixternal: god I saw him in the CSAIL building the other day
[11:29] <imbrandon> but thats a feature/bug
[11:29] <jdong> nixternal: it didn't occur to me until 2 hours later that itwas RMS
[11:29] <nixternal> RMS, great philosophy, just the worst marketer I have ever seen
[11:29] <fdoving> jdong: yeah, i hope the next version will stop on 'NO', the first versions continued installing mp3-things even when you tried to stop it.
[11:29] <jdong> fdoving: lol!
[11:29] <nixternal> jdong: you didn't smell him before you seen him?
[11:29] <jdong> nixternal: everyone in that building smells.
[11:29] <nixternal> lol
[11:29] <nixternal> hahahahha
[11:29] <imbrandon> ok dinner time, bbiab
[11:30] <imbrandon> fdoving, and it does stop on "no" i tested it many times before uploading, if it dosent 1) fix the bash script or 2) file a bug ;)
[11:31] <fdoving> imbrandon: i'm talking about an old version.. haven't tested the new ones. i belive you if you say it works. :)
[11:32] <yuriy> launchpad needs to warn people not to post drunk >.<
[11:33] <fdoving> make a bugreport :)
[11:34] <yuriy> bug 86094
[11:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86094 in kaffeine "forward/back do not work reliably" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86094
[11:34] <yuriy> can that comment even be deleted in any way?
[11:34] <fdoving> #launchpad might know.
[11:35] <jdong> yuriy: that's nothing
[11:35] <jdong> yuriy: bug 90636
[11:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90636 in openoffice.org "Openoffice fonts aren't blurry enough (dup-of: 54776)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90636
[11:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54776 in openoffice.org "font hinting does not work with libfreetype6 v. 2.2.1" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/54776
[11:36] <jdong> yuriy: read the screenshots too
[11:37] <yuriy> jdong: lmao, wtf?
[11:38] <jdong> I was angry and thinking irrationally
[11:38] <jdong> "The long wide string pointer was forcibly inserted into the tight char array"
[11:38] <jdong> *snicker*
[11:40] <yuriy> so that's what MIT students think about when partying
[11:41] <fdoving> nite.
[11:42] <jdong> yuriy: yeah. uncut big-endian bitstreams and unprotected hypertransport busses
[11:42] <kwwii> so....which one will update better? kubuntu or ubuntu?
[11:42] <kwwii> from edgy to herd5 I mean
[11:43] <jdong> I've successfully done one of each
[11:43] <jdong> though both took >=2 runs of the upgrader(s)
[11:43] <kwwii> ouch
[11:46] <jdong> they'd fail with a random package returning status 1
[11:46] <jdong> and then a re-run, that woudn't happen
[12:12] <yuriy> Riddell: have you had a chance to look at the bug week page?