[06:48] <Kamion> mdz: daniels tells me that xorg -77 fixes a mistaken lack of stripping of drivers, thereby saving a fair amount of space; it seems to revert the problematic untested stuff from -76. What do you think of it?
[06:49] <mdz> Kamion: oh, I didn't notice that -76 had been replaced by -77 in helena output.  I'll have a look
[06:52] <seb128> "<crispin> seb128: yeah, but I don't have the 290 problem on my laptop, just a desktop machine" ... grumpf, no clear
[06:58] <Keybuk> seb128: his desktop, I think, has an odd card which d-i doesn't recognise but lrm does
[06:58] <seb128> may be
[06:59] <Keybuk> and it's at a higher pci number, so gets plugged on boot t'other way round
[06:59] <mjg59> Keybuk: Like any Atheros?
[07:01] <Keybuk> atheros tend to be later in the pci numbering than the internal
[07:01] <Keybuk> the problems are:
[07:01] <Keybuk> 1. the kernel plugs devices in a random order
[07:01] <Keybuk> well, pseudo-random
[07:01] <mjg59> Keybuk: Atheros stuff isn't supported in d-i
[07:01] <Keybuk> which is in their view notabug, because you shouldn't rely on the order; and they go into details about schroedinger's network card which is a bit like schroedinger's freedrom toaster, but without the plane crash
[07:02] <Keybuk> 2. the events arrive at userspace in a random order
[07:02] <Keybuk> which is pretty much just #1 again
[07:02] <Keybuk> 3. userspace takes a random amount of time to react to the event
[07:02] <Keybuk> 4. the event takes a random amount of time to finish
[07:03] <Keybuk> fortunately we live in a universe of malignancy, so for most people the first one in the list ends up as eth0; just like their bread lands butter-side-down
[07:03] <Keybuk> but for some people, it just doesn't
[07:04] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  With the Tango Project (http://tango-project.org/Tango_Desktop_Project) announced, I was wondering if Ubuntu will be supporting/using this icon theme?
[07:04] <smurf> Keybuk: so the solution seems to be to rename the interfaces based on their MAC address, or something
[07:04] <Keybuk> smurf: which we do
[07:04] <mjg59> I sense that we're approaching the beginning of this conversation
[07:04] <mdz> Kamion: kelly'd
[07:04] <Keybuk> but the trouble is you end up trying to rename eth0 to eth1 and eth1 to eth0 at the same time
[07:05] <Keybuk> and something goes ping and one of your network cards (which, sods law states, is usually the one you actually wanted) ends up flying across the room and sulking in the corner
[07:06] <smurf> Keybuk: so think of entirely new names, and use these instead when you find a new card ..?
[07:06] <Keybuk> smurf: so Ubuntu wouldn't use eth0, eth1, et. al. except for some cards, which it would
[07:06] <Keybuk> this would be upsetting
[07:06] <Keybuk> if I wanted to have to brute-force my network device names, I'd use FreeBSD
[07:06] <smurf> Well, having cards randomly fly into a corner and sulk isn't entirely optimal either
[07:07] <Keybuk> very true; what I'd like to be doing next week is configuring and activating cards based on their MAC address, or perhaps device path
[07:07] <Keybuk> so we wouldn't need to _care_ what random kernel name got assigned to it
[07:08] <smurf> Yeah, right now is probably the worst possible time to attempt stuff like that ;-)
[07:09] <Keybuk> yes
[07:09] <smurf> I'd use MAC addresses, BTW; device paths can change randomly too ...
[07:09] <Keybuk> this isn't a regression on hoary, afaict ... hoary would fail to swap the network devices and ifup the wrong one
[07:09] <Keybuk> ie. it'd configure your wired for dhcp instead of your wireless
[07:10] <Keybuk> which is basically what breezy is doing
[07:12] <Kamion> mdz: running a live filesystem build now so that I can see what's happening size-wise
[07:12] <mdz> Kamion: thanks
[07:13] <wasabi_> Does oem-config require X?
[07:13] <wasabi_> Seems to.
[07:13] <wasabi_> I'd be happy with my app for some ncurses debconf questions
[07:14] <infinity> mdz : Can we get Tbird out of the queue and building, so I can babysit it and go to bed? :)
[07:16] <HiddenWolf> Configuring postgresql.conf to use port 5432...
[07:16] <HiddenWolf> Warning: The socket directory for owners other than 'postgres'
[07:16] <HiddenWolf> defaults to /tmp. You might want to change the unix_socket_directory parameter
[07:16] <HiddenWolf> in postgresql.conf to a more secure directory.
[07:16] <HiddenWolf> w t f!
[07:16] <HiddenWolf> It should run under it's own user.
[07:27] <Kamion> wasabi_: yes, sorry, at the moment it does; that can probably be fixed later
[07:27] <HiddenWolf> infinity, new TB build?
[07:28] <wasabi_> Kamion, cool! Also, serial support. ;)
[07:29] <wasabi_> And "first time SSH login"
[07:37] <elvirolo> hi all
[07:38] <elvirolo> breezy still suffers from very critical bugs ...
[07:39] <elvirolo> like this one http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14566 and this one http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16066
[07:39] <dhonn> damn hp
[07:40] <HiddenWolf> elvirolo, there are sure to be more than a few of those.
[07:40] <elvirolo> the spca5xx is absolutely critical ... it completely freezes my (and others') system, even the magic sys req keys don't work
[07:40] <elvirolo> HiddenWolf, I imagine so yeah
[07:41] <elvirolo> will they be fixed though ?
[07:41] <HiddenWolf> elvirolo, sorry to say, but at this piont, I doubt it.
[07:41] <HiddenWolf> elvirolo, best you can do is ask pitti or mdz
[07:42] <elvirolo> sad :(
[07:43] <dhonn> im sure eventually it will get fixed its probably not just ubuntu users that have this problem
[07:43] <HiddenWolf> dhonn, most likely not.
[07:44] <dhonn> hasnt hp been helping
[07:45] <elvirolo> my pinter did work under hoary though
[07:45] <elvirolo> how annoying
[07:47] <dhonn> remove hp printing services
[07:47] <dhonn> that might help
[07:48] <dhonn> chmod -x /etc/init.d/hplip
[07:48] <dhonn> it never was in hoary
[07:49] <elvirolo> god of course i'm using windows right now
[07:49] <elvirolo> i'll write this down
[07:49] <elvirolo> thanks
[07:49] <Belutz> can i make ubuntu fit enough into a 512mb flash drive?
[07:50] <Belutz> or should I ask in #ubuntu?
[07:50] <tseng> I dont think so
[07:50] <tseng>  /usr on my server install is at 717 atm
[07:50] <mdz> infinity: I had already approved it before you said anything
[07:51] <dhonn> recompile the livecd without a few packages
[07:51] <Belutz> hmmm i see
[07:51] <dhonn> dump that to your flash drive
[07:52] <Belutz> dhonn, any howto how to do that?
[07:52] <infinity> mdz : Cool.  An enigmail rebuild to go with it just got tested locally and uploaded.
[07:52] <infinity> And now I'm off ot bed.
[07:52] <\sh> infinity: good night
[07:53] <dhonn> just the knoppix documentation
[07:54] <dhonn> get a gig flash drive
[07:54] <dhonn> install grub boot loader
[07:54] <ogra> Belutz, dhonn, there is plenty of docs in the wiki about remastering the live CD and this is rather appropriate for #ubuntu
[07:55] <dhonn> there you go Belutz
[07:55] <Belutz> ogra, dhonn, thanks :)
[07:55] <Belutz> someone ask me how to do that for government project
[07:56] <sivang> ogra: or #ubuntu-remastering :)
[07:56] <dhonn> i learned how to make knoppix run directly from a ISO without the use of the live dvd, and just just grub
[07:57] <dhonn> im sure it works the same way for a flash drive as it did for my hd
[08:00] <dhonn> i wish the ubuntu live cd had the toram option again
[08:19] <wasabi_> unionfs is pretty cool, except it doesnt' support moving files
[08:26] <kbrooks> Hey all.
[08:26] <kbrooks> I have a e-mail to send to -- shall I send it to ubuntu-users mailing list
[08:53] <fabbione> evening
[08:58] <kbrooks> anyone here subscribed to ubuntu-devel?
[08:59] <kbrooks> Please read the post I just sent
[09:00] <mirak> hhhelp
[09:00] <kbrooks> mirak: no support here. #ubuntu
[09:00] <mirak> kbrooks: I am there
[09:03] <sivang> mirak: I'm with you on #ubuntu
[09:03] <mirak> ok
[09:04] <Keybuk> kbrooks: the plan for the next release is to use network-manager
[09:04] <Keybuk> http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager/
[09:04] <kbrooks> Keybuk: what is that
[09:05] <Keybuk> it handles which network card in your system is active, and which wireless network you connect to
[09:05] <Keybuk> just about everything else in your mail is already handled by udev
[09:06] <Keybuk> I chatted to the ndiswrapper developers the other week about getting proper support for it
[09:06] <mirak> hem what fs is used for the initrd ?
[09:07] <kbrooks> mirak: cramfs i think
[09:07] <Keybuk> mirak: breezy doesn't use initrd
[09:07] <kbrooks> not sure
[09:07] <Keybuk> we use initramfs, which is a compressed cpio file
[09:07] <Keybuk> rather than a filesystem
[09:07] <kbrooks> Keybuk: i see
[09:07] <mirak> Keybuk: what does it use then ?
[09:08] <kbrooks> mirak: he said so altrady
[09:08] <siretart> Keybuk: will it be possible to configure NetworkManager without X? Current implementation seems to lack this :(
[09:08] <mirak> ok but the concept of an external file with module is the same
[09:08] <mirak> ?
[09:08] <Keybuk> siretart: I should think so
[09:09] <Keybuk> mirak: I don't understand your question
[09:09] <mirak> Keybuk: what don't you understand ?
[09:09] <Keybuk> what you're asking
[09:09] <mirak> I need to see what is in the file along the kernel
[09:09] <Keybuk> right
[09:09] <mirak> don't know how to call it since it's not an inirt
[09:09] <mirak> rd
[09:10] <mirak> initrd
[09:10] <Keybuk> "call it" ?
[09:10] <mirak> name it
[09:10] <Keybuk> do you mean how to see what's inside it?
[09:10] <mirak> you said it's not an initrd so it might be nammed someting else isn't it ?
[09:10] <Keybuk> no, named the same thing
[09:10] <mirak> ok
[09:10] <mirak> so how to see what is in it ?
[09:11] <Keybuk> gunzip -c initrd... | cpio -t
[09:11] <mirak> Keybuk: thank you
[09:11] <siretart> Keybuk: btw, is the installers initrd an real initrd or an cpio archive, too?
[09:12] <Kamion> siretart: it's a real initrd for now
[09:12] <siretart> okay
[09:12] <mirak> lib/modules/2.6.12-9-powerpc/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/cmd64x.ko
[09:12] <Kamion> it'll switch to initramfs eventually, probably
[09:12] <mirak> so this module is inside but it's not loaded at boot time
[09:12] <kbrooks> Kamion: why is it a real initrd
[09:12] <kbrooks> ?
[09:12] <Kamion> kbrooks: no compelling reason to change
[09:13] <kbrooks> Kamion: what would be?
[09:13] <mirak> how can I be sure the initrd is correctly loaded ?
[09:13] <Kamion> why do you care? :)
[09:13] <Keybuk> mirak: do you see the graphical splash?
[09:13] <fabbione> mirak: if it's not loaded, your machine won't boot
[09:13] <Kamion> the reason the main system moved from initrd-tools to initramfs-tools was that we needed to get away from devfs and initramfs-tools was easier to handle
[09:13] <mirak> fabbione: thanks for your intervention LOL
[09:13] <Kamion> the other reasons for moving to initramfs are more nebulous, at least as far as the installer is concerned
[09:14] <Kamion> anyway, got to go
[09:14] <mirak> fabbione: it doesn't boot
[09:14] <Keybuk> Kamion: ah, marriage
[09:14] <kbrooks> nebulous?
[09:14] <Keybuk> mirak: are you using a stock ubuntu kernel?
[09:14] <kbrooks> define?
[09:14] <mirak> Keybuk: I don't see the graphical splash
[09:14] <Kamion> Keybuk: no, hitting things
[09:14] <mirak> Keybuk: I use the ubuntu ppc image
[09:14] <Kamion> (i.e. karate)
[09:14] <fabbione> Kamion: have fun :)
[09:14] <dholbach> i'm out for a walk, bbl
[09:15] <mirak> Keybuk: vmlinux-2.6.12-9-powerpc
[09:15] <\sh> yeah baby yeah....one romanian leaded company will switch from suse to ubuntu....tomorrow i know more :)
[09:16] <kbrooks> \sh: so.
[09:16] <kbrooks> you're famous eh
[09:16] <Keybuk> mirak: in what way doesn't it boot?  how far does it get?  if you remove "quiet splash" from the kernel command-line, what do you see?
[09:17] <mirak> Keybuk: ubuntu ppc uses yaboot
[09:17] <\sh> kbrooks: no...I just evangelise all my colleagues to use ubuntu...and they like it...and just now I had a phone call of one romanian guy who is administrating some servers for a romanian company...he will switch them all to ubuntu
[09:17] <mirak> Keybuk: I can't tell if there is a splash at all, because my last working kernel is 2.6.10-5
[09:17] <mirak> and the yaboot config file is not automatically updated
[09:17] <kbrooks> \sh: no, i'm talking about you being op in a channel...
[09:19] <mirak> Keybuk: can I flood 8 lines in this channel ?
[09:19] <mirak> my yaboot.conf file
[09:19] <\sh> kbrooks: ???? i don't understand
[09:19] <mirak> hum kernel entry
[09:19] <Keybuk> I don't know yaboot, sorry
[09:19] <fabbione> mirak: no flood in here
[09:19] <Keybuk> you may have more luck in #ubuntu
[09:19] <mirak> there is no ppc support
[09:19] <mirak> that's horrible
[09:20] <mirak> Keybuk: maybe yaboot doesn't support this cpio file format
[09:20] <mirak> this would be my bet
[09:20] <Keybuk> this isn't a support channel
[09:20] <fabbione> Keybuk: did you ever build a deb in your life? because i did build hundreds of them...
[09:20] <mirak> I get no help in the other channel
[09:20] <\sh> kbrooks: I was never an op in one channel
[09:20] <mirak> fabbione: yes I did
[09:20] <mirak> however I just need to know what is different
[09:20] <mirak> and why it doesn't work
[09:21] <fabbione> mirak: ?
[09:21] <kbrooks> \sh: never mind, not you
[09:21] <fabbione> mirak: i did say something to Keybuk ...
[09:21] <fabbione> not to you
[09:21] <mirak> if the automated deb file creates a initrd with cpio it's maybe not gona work
[09:21] <mirak> fabbione: yes I didn't seen it
[09:22] <mirak> I can ask in the other place, but there is no answer
[09:22] <mirak> people that knows this kind of thing are only lurking here it seems
[09:25] <mirak> nobody knows that in the #ubuntu channel
[09:25] <mirak> if I ask here it's because here people knows. I wouldn't bother you otherwise
[09:25] <Keybuk> this still isn't a support channel; this channel is for discussing development
[09:26] <mirak> I got an answer
[09:26] <mirak> I might want to look on #ubuntu then :D
[09:33] <speel> hey did you guys fix the spca5xx issues? ( just curious )
[09:34] <fabbione> speel: bug number?
[09:34] <speel> hang on let me get it
[09:36] <rob^^^> is Wed still looking good for 5.10?
[09:37] <speel> #14566
[09:37] <fabbione> rob^^^: any reasons why it shouldn't be?
[09:38] <rob^^^> no, just wanted to know whether to clear my calendar ;)
[09:38] <elmo> umm, Thursday, not Wednesday
[09:38] <fabbione> release is the 13..
[09:38] <fabbione> elmo: exactly :)
[09:38] <rob^^^> ok, I'm mixed up then
[09:39] <fabbione> speel: -> dapper.
[09:39] <fabbione> speel: it won't be fixed for breezy
[09:39] <speel> ah ok
[09:40] <speel> How come?
[09:40] <fabbione> speel: because it's a minor issue and breezy will release in 3 days
[09:40] <fabbione> the kernel is frozen and only security updates will go in
[09:41] <speel> oo ok. heh sorry I dont know how development works and etc :P
[09:42] <fabbione> speel: nothing to be sorry about.. next time we will hunt you down and burn you alive :P
[09:42] <speel> Lol
[09:42] <Keybuk> hey, don't forget the flaying
[09:42] <fabbione> eheh
[09:46] <kbrooks> fabbione: not "the kernel"
[09:46] <kbrooks> ubuntu
[09:47] <fabbione> kbrooks: sorry?
[09:47] <kbrooks> Ubuntu is frozen
[09:47] <kbrooks> for release
[09:47] <chip> elmo: You live!
[09:47] <slomo> mdz: why did you assign #17359 to me? ;) but i'll take a look at it... seems to be a non-bug
[09:48] <mdz> slomo: weren't you working on things mono-related?  perhaps I confused you with someone else
[09:48] <fabbione> hey mdz
[09:49] <mdz> fabbione: sshh, I am not here
[09:49] <fabbione> kbrooks: we are still allowed to do RC bug fixes
[09:49] <chip> elmo: What say you update my key?
[09:49] <slomo> mdz: no that was me... np :) i'll find someone to sponsor a fix for that for main... if this is really a bug ;)
[09:49] <kbrooks> fabbione: i mean after release
[09:49] <fabbione> mdz: i didn't see you.. don't worry
[09:50] <fabbione> mdz: hide! hide!
[09:50] <fabbione> kbrooks: oh.. really?
[09:50] <elmo> chip: what does this have to do with Ubuntu development?
[09:50] <fabbione> kbrooks: but can we get the latest firefox in?
[09:50] <kbrooks> fabbione: i'm saying ubuntu will be frozen -- no new apps only sec updates
[09:51] <kbrooks> on october 13th
[09:51] <chip> elmo: I'll be happy to discuss it in #debian-devel if you will respond there
[09:51] <kbrooks> breezy release
[09:51] <fabbione> kbrooks: ah.. i must have missed that
[09:51] <elmo> chip: I'm not in #debian-devel, so how exactly do you expect me to respond?
[09:51] <kbrooks> i have 1.0.7
[09:51] <chip> elmo: /join, I suppose
[09:51] <elmo> chip: so, please take off-topic talk out of this channel
[09:52] <elmo> chip: no
[09:53] <fabbione> kbrooks: so what will happen with 1.0.8??
[09:53] <kbrooks> fabbione: i'm not a ubuntu developer
[09:53] <kbrooks> i was just corecting you
[09:53] <kbrooks> thats all
[09:54] <fabbione> kbrooks: hmmm.. ok.. i guess i will need to read up on that.. afterall i was only the Xfree86/Xorg and kernel maintainer for Ubuntu
[09:55] <fabbione> i guess i got too old for that :)
[09:55] <Keybuk> right, am gonna crash and get an early night
[09:55] <fabbione> night Keybuk
[09:55] <Keybuk> elmo stole my timezone, so now I'm taking it back, or something
[09:55] <fabbione> Keybuk: lol
[09:55] <\sh> Keybuk: btw...can we talk at ubz about planet and s9y problems? ,-)
[09:56] <Keybuk> no, because I don't maintain Planet
[09:56] <Keybuk> you can talk to jdub though :p
[09:56] <\sh> Keybuk: software side...not administrating ;)
[09:56] <Keybuk> that's what I mean
[09:56] <\sh> actually...I would like to fix the issues in planet ;)
[09:57] <Keybuk> go for it :p
[09:57] <\sh> Keybuk: bah ;) solution: install s9y with planet plugin ;)
[09:58] <\sh> hmmm...if i didn't fix universe until 22:00 UTC .. i'm lame
[09:59] <fabbione> \sh: you have less than 60 secs..
[09:59] <\sh> fabbione: that's 22:00 uhr ;) german time...
[09:59] <fabbione> it's still 21:59
[09:59] <fabbione> you have a few secs left
[10:00] <\sh> fabbione: it's still 19:59 UTC ;)
[10:00] <fabbione> oh right.. UTC
[10:00] <\sh> HAR HAR
[10:00] <fabbione> dong
[10:00] <fabbione> ahaha
[10:00] <\sh> I'll fix it ;)
[10:00] <fabbione> you got me :)
[10:03] <\sh> fabbione: ;)
[10:07] <moyogo> is there any reason why we have freetype6-2.1.7 when 2.1.10 is out since june?
[10:07] <moyogo> 2.1.7 is from 2004-02
[10:08] <kent> moyogo, 2004 was perhaps a very good year?
[10:08] <moyogo> hehe
[10:21] <dieman> of course! i try seeing how fast i can download from a gigE machine from ftp.heanet.ie and sure!
[10:21] <Mithrandir> elmo (and maswan): any thoughts on pointing no.archive.ubuntu.com to ftp.acc.umu.se instead of level3?  The latter is often faster.
[10:21] <dieman> it dies!
[10:21] <dieman> (playing with mirroring)
[10:21] <dieman> ftp.heanet.ie should be the default for .edu network users though, holy crap is it fast.
[10:21] <dieman> from the usa even
[10:22] <rob^^^> dieman: "how fast is it ;)"
[10:22] <dieman> heh
[10:23] <dieman> i was doing 100mbps to the mirror ive got
[10:23] <dieman> but another box i was testing with was 200mbps+
[10:24] <rob^^^> dieman: I'm bottlenecked by my 10/100 switch to my campus mirror
[10:24] <dieman> heh
[10:24] <rob^^^> ooh
[10:24] <rob^^^> idea ;)
[10:24] <dieman> ive got a mirror up here at cs.umn.edu too
[10:24] <dieman> but its only 100mbps
[10:24] <dieman> i need to get my hands on a gigE card for it perhaps though
[10:24] <dieman> yeah
[10:24] <dieman> got it up to 445mbps for 3 tcp streams
[10:40] <\sh> g'evening _mvo_
[10:41] <rob^^^> boo, only 5.5 megs a second on VirtualPC :(
[10:41] <\sh><EMAIL_ADDRESS>and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>both are well known provider *grin*
[10:41] <rob^^^> ooh up to 7.5 now;)
[10:42] <fabbione> \sh: dude.. you blog too much
[10:42] <\sh> fabbione: it's planet
[10:42] <\sh> fabbione: there is a bug
[10:42] <_mvo_> hey \sh!
[10:42] <fabbione> ah ok
[10:42] <\sh> fabbione: and I want to fix it with keybuk...but he refused ... brrr
[10:42] <haggai> what's the best tool to import CVS into a new baz archive?
[10:43] <_mvo_> \sh: my ish was down for a couple of minutes, but it's back apparently
[10:43] <fabbione> haggai: probably tailor
[10:43] <\sh> _mvo_: well..that's ish ;)
[10:43] <haggai> fabbione: thanks, I started looking at that and was wondering if it is any good. Have you used it?
[10:43] <_mvo_> \sh: actually I'm pretty happy with it
[10:43] <fabbione> haggai: approx the time to apt-get install it, see it failing on svn and purge it
[10:44] <haggai> fabbione: uhh :)
[10:44] <fabbione> haggai: get the latest from upstream if you want to play
[10:44] <janimo> fabbione, do you know if xdm worked when you uploaded it last time?
[10:44] <fabbione> the package is old and buggy
[10:44] <fabbione> janimo: yes it did
[10:44] <haggai> hmmkay
[10:44] <janimo> fabbione, it does not start here and I recall someone saying the same thing last week
[10:44] <\sh> bah
[10:44] <\sh> _mvo_: ish is ok ..
[10:44] <janimo> I found some things needed changing in order for it to start
[10:45] <fabbione> janimo: it's universe :)
[10:45] <janimo> it looked for config file in /usr/lib/X11 instead of /etc
[10:45] <janimo> and tried to load a greeter .so which was not built
[10:45] <janimo> so can I upload my change then?
[10:45] <fabbione> janimo: sure.. i am not jalous of my pkgs
[10:46] <\sh> janimo: what is it?
[10:46] <fabbione> not the one in universe at least
[10:46] <janimo> fabbione, ok I was just trying to make sure it is not broken beyond hope and I waste time on it
[10:46] <janimo> \sh xdm
[10:46] <janimo> or you mean the .so?
[10:46] <janimo> Some libGreeter.so
[10:47] <janimo> I got it to start eventually
[10:47] <\sh> janimo: hmmmm....
[10:47] <\sh> janimo: I think ogra was working on it..and something is really broken
[10:47] <janimo> \sh what is it working for you?
[10:47] <\sh> janimo: I'm using gdm or kdm
[10:48] <janimo> \sh well it seems to work now
[10:48] <\sh> hu_
[10:48] <janimo> well those are out for xubuntu
[10:48] <\sh> ?
[10:48] <ogra> \sh, i had a look at it and had no clue whats broken was what i said ;)
[10:48] <\sh> ogra: ok...but it was somehow broken
[10:48] <ogra> i think it still is
[10:49] <\sh> well..1:11 still left until I fixed the universe *lol*
[10:52] <zyga> hello overworked good people
[10:54] <\sh> hey zyga
[10:56] <zyga> hello, how is ubuntu doing today?
[11:05] <zyga> new kernel package
[11:05] <dholbach> re
[11:16] <dieman> heh
[11:16] <dieman> fix my cd images ehre, and start doing 40-50mbps out
[11:22] <pvanhoof> dudes. by the time I can upgrade my breezy, you have have 106 new packages. You guys are working to hard
[11:22] <maswan> dieman: heh, yeah, ftp.heanet.ie is fast. :)
[11:23] <dieman> they have a *scsi cache*
[11:23] <dieman> raid-0
[11:23] <dieman> because the 12tb or raid is 'too slow'
[11:23] <dieman> of, rather
[11:23] <maswan> dieman: :)
[11:23] <Kamion> silly ssh's connection sharing support is a bit racy ...
[11:23] <dieman> i liked the graphs in their apachecon presentation (i think thats the right one)
[11:23] <maswan> dieman: I'm syncing up some test data for the offload host
[11:23] <dieman> showing that 4gb -> 12gb with PAE is worthless.
[11:24] <dieman> but 32GB works great!
[11:24] <maswan> hehe
[11:24] <dieman> hrm, their last ubuntu sync took 2hrs
[11:24] <dieman> im going to probally have to resync my ubuntu here and push back the interval
[11:25] <maswan> .pool/ubuntu-5.04-install-powerpc.iso
[11:25] <maswan>    654131200 100%   19.54MB/s    0:00:31  (10, 5.4% of 479)
[11:25] <maswan> :)
[11:25] <dieman> yeah
[11:25] <dieman> i did 445 to a gigE connected machine
[11:25] <dieman> (mbps)
[11:25] <dieman> i was impressed
[11:25] <maswan> ftp.sunet.se has bigger hardware though. I wonder what kind of rates I'd get from them
[11:26] <dieman> heh
[11:26] <dieman> only 2 of the mirrors on their box take 2 hours (that they report)
[11:26] <dieman> gentoo-portage
[11:26] <dieman> and ubuntu
[11:27] <maswan> hmm.. only about the same rates though
[11:27] <dieman> yay, nearly through universe
[11:27] <maswan> http://ftp.sunet.se/about.html
[11:28] <notmdz> seb128: which package is responsible for the "Failed to find mountpoint for device <foo> in /etc/fstab" error that I get from totem?
[11:28] <dieman> we generally can't get funding like that for mirrors
[11:28] <dieman> since we dont have this whole 'transit is expensive' problem much.
[11:28] <maswan> yeah, those are exceptions
[11:28] <dieman> and never really did
[11:29] <maswan> a few NRENs do
[11:29] <notmdz> oh, it's totem itself
[11:29] <seb128> notmdz: I would say totem, we have upstream and downstream bugs about it
[11:29] <notmdz> odd that it doesn't even open /etc/fstab before giving that error
[11:29] <notmdz> which is why I assumed it came from another place
[11:30] <maswan> dieman: in the sunet case it is considered a strategic project, to provide a good general and "close" mirror for the swedish academia and the genreal public
[11:30] <dieman> yeah
[11:30] <maswan> dieman: also, back in the days, it helped to even out the balance on the transit links.
[11:30] <dieman> heh
[11:30] <dieman> most spots in the US never really had that sort of pressing issue
[11:31] <notmdz> hmm, it's doing a gnomevfs call
[11:31] <maswan> yeah, back in the 90:ies the transatlantic link situation wasn't as good as it is today
[11:31] <seb128> notmdz: it uses gnomevfs yep, the message has not been updated since gnomevfs has switched to hal
[11:32] <seb128> notmdz: the code is totem-1.2.0/src/plparse/totem-disc.c: cd_cache_get_dev_from_* if you want to debug it
[11:32] <notmdz> seb128: I get that error if g-v-m is not running
[11:33] <seb128> hum
[11:33] <seb128> lemme try
[11:33] <notmdz> I was trying to use totem on a system which doesn't run GNOME
[11:36] <notmdz> starting g-v-m got me past that error, but now it segfaults when I try to play the DVD ;-)
[11:36] <seb128> notmdz: right, same here. I've to mount the DVD before using totem
[11:39] <seb128> grumpf
[11:39] <seb128> does somebody knows about a "running dhclient breaks the loopback" bug?
[11:39] <notmdz> seb128: yes
[11:40] <notmdz> seb128: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10174
[11:40] <seb128> which is great because GNOME waits on some timeout when you try to log out or log in
[11:40] <seb128> thanks
[11:41] <notmdz> dhclient should probably just abort if you don't tell it which interface to use
[11:42] <seb128> yeah
[11:42] <\sh> I'm off, elmo: you have mail :) and the rest: have a nice night, morning, afternoon, whereever you are, whatever you do...
[11:44] <notmdz> seb128: would a backtrace for this crash be at all interesting?  seems to be gst-ffmpeg related
[11:44] <seb128> notmdz: if the backtrace is correct yep
[11:46] <dholbach> slomo will be delighted to hear :)
[11:46] <seb128> notmdz: I've uploaded gst-plugins0.8_0.8.11-0ubuntu5. I've fixed a Depends on ${misc:Depends} not listed (and useful for dh_gconf) and dropped the autosinks which are bugged (crash totem by example), upstream recommand not shipping them before 0.9/0.10
[11:47] <seb128> notmdz: should I mail you about it?
[11:47] <notmdz> seb128: approved
[11:47] <seb128> thanks
[11:47] <slomo> dholbach: what gst-ffmpeg crash?
[11:47] <seb128> slomo: notmdz's one :)
[11:47] <notmdz> building it with debug now
[11:48] <slomo> ok, i can take a look at it... i've worked with gdb for hours today so some more wouldn't hurt ;) how can it be reproduced?
[11:50] <notmdz> slomo: happens when I try to play a DVD in totem
[11:54] <notmdz> hmm, I built with nostrip and it's still stripped
[11:56] <Kamion> notmdz: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/germinate-output/ubuntu-server-breezy/, FYI
[11:57] <Kamion> notmdz<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:58] <Kamion> notmdz: it looks like it should come out smaller than our normal images, so at least that's one place where we won't be under space pressure for now
[11:58] <notmdz> Kamion: I should hope it does
[11:59] <Kamion> well, one never knows
[11:59] <Kamion> it's not a lot smaller, only 15-20MB or so
[11:59] <notmdz> slomo: I have a trace for you
[12:00] <notmdz> not sure how valid it is, but it's something
[12:00] <slomo> notmdz: and my dvd drive is busy for the next 12 hours... i'm currently testing thoggen and theora encoding is so damn slow :(
[12:01] <notmdz> slomo: what's your email address?
[12:01] <slomo> notmdz<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:02] <slomo> notmdz: hey, you assigned a bug to this address a few hours ago ;)