[01:13] <NRG> woa
[01:13] <NRG> there are people in here
[01:15] <az7> you must believe it
[01:15] <nrg> =D
[01:16] <az7> whats up?
[01:16] <nrg> just, totally overloaded with school and my jobs
[01:16] <nrg> i have this vehicle blackbox type program i should be working on
[01:17] <az7> sounds pretty intense
[01:18] <nrg> yea, but at least i have a good teamate on this one, when he does any work
[01:18] <nrg> any of you in NW AR?
[01:19] <az7> more west than north, but yeah
[01:19] <az7> you?
[01:20] <nrg> UofA fayetteville
[01:20] <az7> ahh awesome, there was another guy in here thursday talking about the installfest they're putting on.
[01:20] <az7> err tuesday
[01:21] <nrg> ohhh cool
[01:21] <nrg> i didn't hear about that
[01:22] <az7> they might post something on the NWALUG google group
[01:44] <raccoon> nrg: :3
[01:45] <raccoon> CHAT CHAT CHAT
[01:45] <nrg> see
[01:45] <nrg> everyone chats here
[01:45] <raccoon> nrg: You are the only one that chats.
[01:45] <nrg> i told you
[01:46] <raccoon> nrg: get your girlfriend in here
[01:46] <nrg> 19:22 < az7> they might post something on the NWALUG google group
[01:46] <nrg> 19:44 -!- raccoon<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-us-ar
[01:46] <raccoon> nrg: Let's make this our party room. We can invite rucus.
[01:46] <nrg> 19:44 < raccoon> nrg: :3
[01:46] <nrg> they wouldn't like her
[01:46] <nrg> and they
[01:46] <nrg> especially wouldn't like
[01:46] <nrg> rucas
[01:46] <raccoon> They'd be haters and jealous of the love.
[01:46] <nrg> so lets do it
[01:47] <raccoon> I love rucas.  But I think he is scared to talk to me. I donno. He has a bathroom with unknowable amount of carpet. It creeped me out, and I think it also bothers him a bit.
[01:47] <nrg> whoa
[01:47] <nrg> a carpet in a bathroom
[01:47] <raccoon> I like to think that that bond keeps us close together.
[01:47] <nrg> wouldn't it get like
[01:47] <nrg> smushy
[01:47] <nrg> i want rucas
[01:47] <raccoon> Dude, it's not like a single carpet in the bathroom. it's like they just kept on adding new carpet on carpet on carpet and forgot when they started and just kept doing it because it was tradition.
[01:48] <raccoon> i felt like i was going to sink into the floor of carpet, it was so... i don't know.
[01:48] <raccoon> yeah, it was totally smushy.
[01:48] <nrg> B|
[01:48] <nrg> gross
[01:48] <raccoon> yeah
[01:48] <raccoon> did rucas ever stay in the chan?
[01:48] <nrg> he was in tripupils for like a week i think
[01:48] <raccoon> ah
[01:49] <raccoon> i wonder how rucas would look on ubuntu
[01:49] <raccoon> let's talk about ubuntu\
[01:49] <raccoon> UBUNTU
[01:49] <nrg> probably pretty attractive
[01:49] <nrg> UBUNTU
[01:49] <nrg> raccoon:
[01:49] <nrg> you should delete that nasty osx
[01:49] <nrg> and use ubuntu
[01:49] <raccoon> I sounds like it is from Africa. We should have a back to Africa/UBUNTU movement.
[01:49] <nrg> then we'd give it aids
[01:49] <raccoon> It is true, rucas is pretty attractive, and so is ubuntu.
[01:49] <nrg> yes
[01:49] <raccoon> Yes, and afros.
[01:49] <nrg> afrubuntu
[01:50] <nrg> my favorite part about ubuntu
[01:50] <nrg> is that
[01:50] <raccoon> And we would be like, "NO UBUNTUS IN THE POOL" and they would get upset and call the local news and the uark newspaper.
[01:50] <nrg> every single aspect of it
[01:50] <nrg> is better than windows
[01:50] <nrg> lol
[01:50] <raccoon> We should have a swimming race between Windows and Ubuntu.
[01:50] <raccoon> WHO WILL WIN?
[01:50] <nrg> did you hear that someone ubuntu'd the local walmart
[01:51] <raccoon> wait, so is this channel at Uark or just in Arkansas?
[01:51] <nrg> just arkansas i think
[01:51] <raccoon> How did they manage to do that? What did that involve?
[01:51] <nrg> i wasn't able to find an active NW ar irc yet
[01:51] <raccoon> we should make one
[01:51] <raccoon> and then post it all over the campus
[01:51] <raccoon> if we build it, they will chat
[01:52] <raccoon> can we call it #gossiphog
[01:52] <nrg> well it involved lots of grep commands, and some piping, various shell scrips, and one large python ( snake )
[01:52] <nrg> im started to get worried about my box site
[01:52] <nrg> he said he wanted it done this semester
[01:52] <raccoon> :(
[01:52] <nrg> but i haven't heard from the dude in like a month
[01:52] <raccoon> how sad
[01:52] <raccoon> maybe he wants it on ubuntu?
[01:52] <nrg> i hope he didnt lose funding
[01:52] <nrg> yea
[01:52] <nrg> LOL
[01:53] <nrg> i can't believe you found that mushroom site on the domain
[01:53] <nrg> using ubuntu buttons
[01:53] <nrg> for all the links
[01:53] <nrg> wtf was with that
[01:55] <nrg> man ubuntu is great
[01:55] <nrg> i want to marry ubuntu
[01:55] <raccoon> nrg: What about your girlfriend?
[01:55] <raccoon> You should put her on ubuntu.
[01:55] <nrg> she's on it
[01:55] <raccoon> :D
[01:55] <nrg> running under wine
[01:55] <raccoon> OH, SUCH A GOOD WOMAN
[01:56] <nrg> yes she has been very good to me
[01:56] <raccoon> nrg: what should we name the uark irc?
[01:56] <nrg> and hasn't cheated on me with any other filesystems
[01:56] <nrg> we should name it
[01:56] <nrg> spikeisgreat
[01:56] <nrg> it has a catchy name
[01:56] <raccoon> nrg: what would you do if you walked into the room and you found me injecting my files into her?
[01:56] <nrg> oh my
[01:56] <raccoon> i wanted to do #spike
[01:57] <nrg> i wanted to do spike too
[01:57] <raccoon> but you said that wasn't a good idea
[01:57] <nrg> but he didnt seem interested in me
[01:57] <raccoon> hehehe
[01:57] <nrg> what files
[01:57] <nrg> do you have to inject
[01:57] <nrg> in my woman
[01:57] <nrg> =|
[01:57] <nrg> tar balls?
[01:57] <raccoon> D:
[01:58] <raccoon> nrg: my roommate is so fucking weird
[01:58] <raccoon> i swear he gets weirder as time goes by
[01:58] <nrg> did he bring over more shy girls
[01:58] <raccoon> he like sneaks around the house
[01:58] <raccoon> it is creepy
[01:58] <nrg> yea like
[01:58] <raccoon> maybe he is upset that i get cuter girls than him when i'm not even trying
[01:58] <nrg> i've only met him a few times
[01:58] <nrg> but he seems like
[01:58] <nrg> a little more awkward than me even
[01:58] <nrg> and thats pretty rare
[01:58] <raccoon> I KNOW
[01:58] <raccoon> it's weird
[01:58] <nrg> im pretty freakin awkward
[01:58] <raccoon> he is getting weirder and weirder
[01:59] <nrg> lollll
[01:59] <raccoon> i don't think you're awkward
[01:59] <nrg> really =)
[01:59] <raccoon> i think you are.... a spike
[01:59] <raccoon> even though you run away from me!
[01:59] <nrg> i think you are right
[01:59] <nrg> i didn't mean to!
[01:59] <nrg> omg
[01:59] <raccoon> hehehe
[01:59] <nrg> that happened to me the other day
[01:59] <raccoon> you did it more than once
[01:59] <nrg> with someone else
[01:59] <nrg> lololo
[01:59] <raccoon> i will never let you live it down
[01:59] <raccoon> did you run away from them, or did they run away from you?
[01:59] <nrg> well i started to turn away and leave
[01:59] <nrg> but i hadnt noticed them
[01:59] <nrg> but they were right there
[02:00] <nrg> they were like SPIKE
[02:00] <raccoon> awww
[02:00] <raccoon> who were they?
[02:00] <nrg> you eye contact avoiding mother*****
[02:00] <raccoon> a pretty snake girl?
[02:00] <nrg> lol
[02:00] <nrg> no
[02:00] <nrg> my longest friend
[02:00] <nrg> who is about to join the marines, which i totally don't understand
[02:00] <raccoon> who is that?
[02:00] <nrg> he's about to graduate
[02:00] <nrg> stephen
[02:00] <raccoon> how come you never introduce me to your friends at school?
[02:00] <nrg> im too busy to hang out with them
[02:00] <nrg> lol
[02:00] <raccoon> lol
[02:00] <raccoon> true
[02:00] <nrg> this is like the first i've seen him all semester
[02:01] <nrg> last time i saw him was right after i took like some time travelling dust
[02:01] <nrg> this last winter
[02:01] <nrg> and he arrives out of nowhere
[02:01] <nrg> lol
[02:01] <raccoon> hehehe
[02:02] <raccoon> how long is he?
[02:02] <raccoon> is he longer than the coding of ubuntu?
[02:02] <nrg> i mean
[02:02] <nrg> i've known him a long time
[02:02] <nrg> since before i was born
[02:02] <nrg> our moms were in lamaze
[02:02] <raccoon> irc.engr.uark.edu
[02:02] <nrg> you were able to connect to it?
[02:03] <raccoon> no
[02:03] <raccoon> :(
[02:03] <nrg> me either
[02:03] <nrg> =\
[02:03] <nrg> not even IN FRONT OF EVERYONE
[02:03] <nrg> ughh
[02:03] <nrg> i do NOT
[02:03] <nrg> WANT TO PRESENT
[02:03] <nrg> TOMORROW
[02:04] <nrg> epic fail
[02:04] <raccoon> #BDSM-Arkansas - on IRC bondage.com - the IRC Channel for the Little Rock Lupercalia munch group
[02:04] <raccoon> D:
[02:05] <raccoon> the only thing things they use irc for in arkansas is 90's engineering, ubuntu, and bondage
[02:05] <nrg> othhhh
[02:05] <nrg> i've been on that server
[02:05] <nrg> its super active
[02:05] <nrg> thats where i met
[02:05] <nrg> princess
[02:05] <nrg> LOL
[02:05] <nrg> lets go there
[02:05] <raccoon> LOOOOL
[02:06] <raccoon> i told myself i would work on my thesis today
[02:06] <raccoon> but now it seems i need to print it out or else it will be annoying to work on
[02:06] <raccoon> :(
[02:06] <raccoon> i guess i will skip meeting with my professor tomorrow
[02:06] <raccoon> and promise myself AGAIN that i will work on it during the weekend
[02:06] <raccoon> and turn it in to him next week
[02:06] <raccoon> :X
[02:07] <raccoon> okay
[02:07] <raccoon> let's go
[02:07] <raccoon> what server? irc.bondage.com?
[02:07] <nrg> fail
[02:07] <nrg> nobody is in the channel
[02:08] <raccoon> oh
[02:08] <nrg> :<
[02:08] <raccoon> :(
[02:08] <raccoon> how sad
[02:08] <nrg> we could always join
[02:08] <nrg> ponyplay though
[02:08] <raccoon> Ahmuck: HELLO
[02:08] <nrg> LOL
[02:08] <raccoon> az7: HELLO
[02:08] <raccoon> JonathanD: HELLO
[02:08] <raccoon> r2d2rogers: HELLO
[02:08] <JonathanD> Hi?
[02:08] <raccoon> nrg: I'm scared, some one actually replied.
[02:08] <nrg> OHHH
[02:08] <nrg> im scared too
[02:08] <raccoon> nrg: what do i do?
[02:08] <raccoon> :(
[02:08] <nrg> i don't know!
[02:08] <nrg> lets panic
[02:08] <raccoon> nrg: come close, i aam scared
[02:08] <raccoon> :(
[02:09]  * nrg huddles
[02:09] <raccoon> :(
[02:09] <raccoon> JonathanD: tell me more about ubuntu and arkansas
[02:09] <nrg> yes
[02:09] <nrg> this is a good topic
[02:09] <raccoon> nrg: i think i might have found out what to do
[02:09] <raccoon> nrg: let's see how it works
[02:09] <nrg> i think so
[02:09] <nrg> let us see
[02:09] <nrg> =)
[02:09] <raccoon> i hope he will reply
[02:09] <raccoon> i really want to know more about ubuntu
[02:10] <raccoon> nrg: do you know i have never once used ubuntu?
[02:10] <JonathanD> I don't know much about arkansas.
[02:10] <raccoon> JonathanD: isn't this the ubuntu arkansas chat room?
[02:10] <JonathanD> Yes.
[02:10] <raccoon> JonathanD: Why do you lack information on Arkansas?  That Europe is all facebooky. :( How unromantic!
[02:11] <nrg> wtf
[02:11] <raccoon> nrg: Yeah! Who would have thought.
[02:11] <nrg> thats so gross
[02:11] <nrg> last i've been aware of
[02:11] <nrg> everyone in the uk/europe
[02:12] <nrg> uses msn messenger
[02:12] <nrg> like
[02:12] <nrg> 24/7
[02:12] <raccoon> nrg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYQUsp-jxDQ
[02:12] <raccoon> nrg: the wonderful country of Europe produced great IRC music
[02:12] <JonathanD> My wife is from arkansas
[02:12] <JonathanD> She uses ubuntu
[02:12] <raccoon> nrg: and now it is dead. i get basshunter doesn't even irc anymore!!
[02:12] <JonathanD> there ya go ;)
[02:12] <nrg> LOL
[02:13] <nrg> yayyy JonathanD
[02:13] <nrg> that is good
[02:13] <JonathanD> raccoon: I organize events. At one point I thought I might be helping with some in arkansas
[02:13] <raccoon> JonathanD: Do you find that the sex improved with increased ubuntu usage?
[02:13] <JonathanD> Then I just never parted, I guess. Didn't realize I was here until you pinged me just now.
[02:13] <raccoon> JonathanD: Please don't leave.
[02:14] <raccoon> JonathanD: I'll miss you so much. Our friendship needs more time to bloom!
[02:14] <nrg> you're our only friend
[02:14] <nrg> ;_;
[02:14] <nrg> i want you to organize my events
[02:15] <raccoon> nrg: I like in the music video when the singer is in a racing car with a laptop, like you.
[02:15] <nrg> raccoon: like me?
[02:15] <raccoon> nrg: yes, you should carry your girlfriend with you
[02:15] <raccoon> JonathanD: Do you find that the sex improved with increased ubuntu usage?
[02:15] <nrg> raccoon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A67ZkAd1wmI
[02:15] <nrg> i have not found that raccoon
[02:16] <nrg> ever since i switched to linux i don't care to screw anyone
[02:16] <raccoon> A bot named Anna occasionally resides in the IRC channel #BassHunter.se on QuakeNet, albeit due to the popularity of the song, the channel, as well as #Anna, has been filled up with bots
[02:16] <raccoon> OH NO
[02:17] <nrg> lolll
[02:17] <nrg> anna!
[02:17] <nrg> a girl named anna
[02:17] <nrg> molested me
[02:17] <nrg> when i was 5
[02:17] <nrg> :;_;
[02:20] <raccoon> what
[02:20] <raccoon> really?
[02:20] <raccoon> D:
[02:20] <nrg> yea
[02:20] <raccoon> nrg: my boyfriend won't talk to me
[02:20] <raccoon> :(
[02:20] <nrg> ugh
[02:20] <nrg> i don't think i can motivate do write this program
[02:20] <raccoon> nrg: maybe he switched to ubuntu and has no use for me anymore
[02:20] <nrg> maybe i'll just rely on that other boy to do it
[02:20] <nrg> thats probably what happened raccoon
[02:21] <nrg> i don't really see any other explanation
[02:21] <nrg> that could work
[02:21] <raccoon> :/
[02:21] <nrg> seriously though
[02:21] <nrg> ubuntu!
[02:21] <nrg> freaking great
[02:21] <nrg> forget KDE though
[02:21] <nrg> kde is for chumps
[02:21] <raccoon> JonathanD doesn't like ubuntu enough to tell me about it
[02:22] <nrg> i guess he is scared
[02:22] <raccoon> I think he is racist, nrg.
[02:22] <raccoon> I mean, let's be honest.
[02:22] <nrg> i think he's a mushroom
[02:22] <nrg> in a box
[02:22] <nrg> LOL
[02:22] <raccoon> hehehe
[02:22] <nrg> ughh
[02:23] <nrg> raccoon:
[02:23] <nrg> you are so
[02:23] <nrg> resplendent
[02:23] <raccoon> :(
[02:24] <raccoon> nrg: come on
[02:24] <raccoon> nrg: let's make a uark channel
[02:24] <raccoon> okay?
[02:24] <raccoon> and then post fliers
[02:25] <raccoon> nrg: D was telling me about how he was in college everyone would use irc
[02:25] <raccoon> and they organized social things so much on it
[02:25] <raccoon> his college experience seems so much better than mine
[02:25] <raccoon> i feel like my college experience was lame
[02:25] <raccoon> and i wasted all of it
[02:25] <raccoon> i kind of want to leave school forever
[02:27] <raccoon> nrg: yeah, D even got onto the ark irc when he was a teenage
[02:27] <raccoon> BEFORE US
[02:27] <raccoon> ugh, i want to talk to my bf
[02:27] <raccoon> i am getting off irc
[02:27] <raccoon> i am going to cry
[02:27] <nrg> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKknJvZIn24
[02:28] <nrg> bazinga
[02:28] <nrg> ttyl
[02:28] <nrg> <3
[02:30] <az7> whoa, its not even chat night
[02:31] <nrg> woaaaaaa
[02:31] <az7> like whoa
[02:32] <nrg> ~~~~~~~~~ shoa
[02:32] <nrg> i don't know if i can work on this program
[02:32] <az7> cool video
[02:32] <nrg> i just don't care right now
[02:32] <nrg> =D yessss
[02:32] <az7> do it, requirements are required
[02:33] <nrg> =\
[02:33] <nrg> but its not due for like 28 hours
[02:33] <az7> yeah, but if you do it earlier you're stressed for less hours
[02:34] <nrg> yea...
[02:34] <nrg> idk if i can do it though
[02:34] <nrg> it just sounds so awful
[02:35] <az7> whats the requirements?
[02:35] <nrg> i'm at the point where i have to replace elements of a circular array according to which ones the oldest and what priority they are
[02:35] <nrg> i guess i should at least look at it
[04:42] <nrg> =|


[23:39] <Falling-Inferno> KyleK: I used the guide from !lamp and used the tasksel bundle
[23:39] <tj13820> IndyGunFreak: both. MiniPci Pci and on board
[23:39] <cybertaur1> TuniX12: thanks anyways
[23:39] <TuniX12> this is very strange
[23:39] <IndyGunFreak> tj13820: hmm, didn't know that.
[23:39] <TuniX12> cybertaur1: google for it
[23:39] <tj13820> IndyGunFreak: madwifi included a driver in "restricted modules" for atheros chipsets, which all dynex wireless cards utilize
[23:39] <KyleK> ah
[23:40] <Masterof9puppets> Can someone help me get rhythm box to play mp3s?
[23:40] <cybertaur1> TuniX12: I did, and the only relevant result I found was the thread I started
[23:40] <IndyGunFreak> tj13820: hmm, i use madwifi w/ my atheros.. but it has to be patched cuz of some error detecting the card.
[23:40] <asmo[B]> tjl3820: dynex makes onboard wireless?
[23:40] <tj13820> use "modprobe ath_pci"
[23:40] <brody> Masterof9puppets: how did you import the mp3s?
[23:40] <tj13820> asmo[B]: no, but many atheros sets are onboard ;-)
[23:40] <zvacet> afallenhope : yes,you don┬┤t need it if you don┬┤t build xour own packages or something like that
[23:40] <Masterof9puppets> It did it automatically, brody
[23:41] <TuniX12> cybertaur1: type  intel linux video problem and you'll find many results
[23:41] <Falling-Inferno> KyleK: I didn't do any of the Configuration though. My server worked as soon as I started it. But I lost internet after that. It says Im connected to the internet when im on ubuntu but when i go to firefox. No internet, I can't even logon to my router from this computer. Im using the Live CD and i am on the internet now so its a software problem
[23:41] <Sun01Tech> i gonna go buy some different brand cds and dvds and probably buy a new cdrw and hope that fixes it
[23:41] <asmo[B]> ah, k sounded like you meant dynex onboard
[23:41] <IndyGunFreak> Sun01Tech: buy a DVDRW.. no point limiting yourself to CDR
[23:41] <brody> Masterof9puppets: k, so import file -then the source
[23:41] <afallenhope> I just want to play my danged DVD lol
[23:41] <KyleK> Falling-Inferno: wireless or wired?
[23:41] <IndyGunFreak> they are roughly the same price
[23:41] <Falling-Inferno> KyleK: Wired.
[23:41] <ringer> tj13820, okay its installed now what should i do?
[23:41] <brody> or did you drag and drop
[23:41] <IndyGunFreak> Sun01Tech: what kind of media are you using?
[23:41] <dsnyders> Does anyone know of a chat channel where I can ask some windows active directory questions?
[23:42] <cybertaur1> TuniX12: ok, thanks
[23:42] <gnubie> CH1C0, http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user/146629  ths is all I can find
[23:42] <brody> or did you tell it to get them from a file itself
[23:42] <Slart_> dsnyders: ##windows?
[23:42] <IndyGunFreak> dsnyders: #windows i think
[23:42] <Sun01Tech> IndyGunFreak: yeah i already have one but yeah i should invest....im using tdk cdr
[23:42] <IndyGunFreak> !windows | dsnyders
[23:42] <CH1C0> thank you
[23:42] <tj13820> ringer: if you hit CTRl+alt+backspace, it will end your session "log you out". then when you log in, choose "KDE" under sessions
[23:42] <Falling-Inferno> KyleK: my brother right across the room from me has Internet and he is wired. as well as my brother who is wireless also has internet and my mom also has internet.
[23:42] <Masterof9puppets> brody: it doesn't work then either, a red circle will appear next to it
[23:42] <IndyGunFreak> Sun01Tech: you in the states?
[23:42] <Falling-Inferno> KyleK: So I know its a software problem.
[23:42] <Sun01Tech> IndyGunFreak: yeah
[23:42] <KyleK> Falling-Inferno: you could probably just manually set stuff up
[23:42] <clintchance> how do i get the updated version of Pidgin without downloading and installing it myself?
[23:42] <dsnyders> IndyGunFreak, Slart_ Thanks.  [/me slaps forehead]  I should have tried that first.
[23:43] <Slart_> tj13820, ringer ctrl+alt+backspace isn't really a log out.. it just kills the x-system afaik.. kind of like pulling the plug
[23:43] <ompaul> !latest | clintchance
[23:43] <brody> masterof9puppets yea thats means there was an error somewhere in the file transfer
[23:43] <brody> are the files encrypted
[23:43] <IndyGunFreak> Sun01Tech: tigerdirect.com and newegg.com have lite-on dvdr's.. usually pretty cheap, eve w/ shipping.. lite-on is all i use, rarely have had a problem
[23:43] <IndyGunFreak> dsnyders: :)
[23:43] <Masterof9puppets> nope, every single file i have wont play
[23:43] <clintchance> ompaul, the latest version has support for GMail and myspace im and i really want them
[23:43] <tj13820> Slart_: yes, but you must do so, or restart to enable KDE to attach to X witout error
[23:43] <Falling-Inferno> KyleK: I might just install Ubuntu on my 2nd hard drive that i installed 2 days ago then when i get everything setup I can just take the files of THIS ubuntu install that I want to keep.
[23:43] <Sun01Tech> IndyGunFreak: thanks i will buy one then
[23:44] <IndyGunFreak> clintchance: its very easy to compile from source.
[23:44] <gordonjcp> IndyGunFreak: I concur
[23:44] <brody> masterof9puppets - and that includes WAv's and other file types? or just mp3's?
[23:44] <gordonjcp> lite-on does seem to be the way to go
[23:44] <ompaul> !compile | clintchance
[23:44] <clintchance> IndyGunFreak so i do download the "source' ?
[23:44] <tj13820> ringer: well?
[23:44] <brody> masterof9puppets - where did you get the files from?
[23:44] <cary_jebus[UDCS|> juist wondering
[23:44] <Masterof9puppets> brody: just mp3's
[23:44] <Slart_> tj13820: I won't argue with that... just don't say it's the same as a logout =)
[23:44] <cary_jebus[UDCS|> is there any porn linux programs :P
[23:44] <IndyGunFreak> clintchance: yeah.. type this w/o quotes "/join #indygunfreak" and i'll takl you through compiling it real quick.
[23:45] <clintchance> IndyGunFreak i can compile....  sudo make and sudo make install then sudo make uninstall
[23:45] <soldats> cary_jebus[UDCS|: thats not appropriate
[23:45] <tj13820> Slart_: lol, i just try to make it easier to understand. and i did put *log you out* in quotes
[23:45] <afallenhope> I've done what I needed to and I still can't play them in Totem
[23:45] <cary_jebus[UDCS|> ok sorry
[23:45] <IndyGunFreak> clintchance: as long as you have all the dependencies resolved, it should be that easy
[23:45] <KyleK> bahahaha
[23:45] <ompaul> clintchance, note that the "latest" is most likely going to be depending on a whole lot of stuff that will break if you wait 4 months you should be better off and it will be in a "stable release" atm it is alpha
[23:45] <afallenhope> !dvd
[23:45] <zvacet> Masterof9puppets : you need w32 or w64 codecs from medibuntu repo
[23:46] <ompaul> IndyGunFreak, something from gnome that is not in the release version ..... think carefully :)
[23:46] <Slart_> tj13820: indeed you did =)
[23:46] <ma1> how do i convert .wma to mp3 ?
[23:46] <brody> masterof9puppets -  so where did you get the mp3's from
[23:46]  * clintchance sits in his rocker and wait for the Pidgin Group to get a move on
[23:46] <Slart_> ma1: mencoder might do it
[23:46] <zvacet> Masterof9puppets : if you want to play mp3 in rhythmbox
[23:46] <Masterof9puppets> My iPod
[23:46] <asmo[B]> TuniX12: I tried properly unmounting my external drive in windows and tried it again in ubuntu and still get the same error... "You are not privileged to mount the volume"
[23:46] <Masterof9puppets> Where would I get that zvacet?
[23:46] <IndyGunFreak> ompaul: lol, i usually run into dependency probs compiling it.. almost always actually
[23:46] <soldats> asmo[B]: use sudo
[23:46] <ajhtiredwolf_> Hey, i noticed that wine isnt under add remove programs in ubuntu. Do you have to install it manually?
[23:47] <brody> Masterof9puppets I mean were they from Itunes?
[23:47] <Masterof9puppets> ajhtiredwolf, it is there
[23:47] <soldats> ajhtiredwolf_: check in synaptics
[23:47] <clintchance> ajhtiredwolf_ make sure you selecting the entire app field
[23:47] <Masterof9puppets> No, they were from cd's
[23:47] <Slart_> ajhtiredwolf_: sudo apt-get install wine in a terminal will do it
[23:47] <clintchance> ajhtiredwolf_ and not just supported programs
[23:47] <tj13820> ajhtiredwolf_: use synaptics or "sudo apt-get remove wine"
[23:47] <zvacet>       Masterof9puppets :   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[23:47] <cary_jebus[UDCS|> hold on
[23:48] <Masterof9puppets> Thanks zvacet
[23:48] <cary_jebus[UDCS|> who on earth would remove wine
[23:48] <ajhtiredwolf_> clintchance: ahh there it is, is it not very stable since it is not under supported?
[23:48] <zvacet> Masterof9puppets : np
[23:48] <BluntObject> ma1: You can use lame to convert .wma to .mp3
[23:48] <clintchance> ajhtiredwolf_ I dont really know why they do that because it is supported in some way
[23:49] <ajhtiredwolf_> clintchance: k, thank you
[23:49] <clintchance> ajhtiredwolf_ :)
[23:49] <tj13820> is intrepid released yet?
[23:49] <Slart_> !intrepid
[23:49] <clintchance> Hey would you guys spring for cedega?is it really that much better?
[23:50] <rsk> not really
[23:50] <brody> Masterof9puppets: you can also try installing a file converter and then changing the files into ogg. . . unless you want to keep them mp3
[23:50] <zvacet>  ma1 :http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=731932&highlight=audio+convert #7
[23:50] <tj13820> lol
[23:50] <Slart_> !lol | tj13820
[23:50] <clintchance> rsk, does it run anyprograms that wine wont?
[23:50] <Masterof9puppets> brody: I need to keep them in mp3
[23:51] <tj13820> "warning - don't use on production equipment" should be there for those who don't have common sense
[23:51] <brody> Masterof9puppets: but even if you installed a file converter, you can still try converting them into mp3's, because sometimes for some reason converting an mp3 to an mp3 will work
[23:51] <tj13820> ...Slart_... one time is not that bad, if you are counting it outside of sentences
[23:51] <clintchance> Slart_ omg whats the problem with using them
[23:51] <tj13820> lollmaolmfaoroflmfao
[23:51] <tj13820> :-)
[23:52] <clintchance> slart_ i dont know anyone who hates them except maby you
[23:52] <Slart_> clintchance: I think the difference between wine and cedega is mostly in the packaging.. cedega used to be better with.. directx I think
[23:52] <Masterof9puppets> zvacet: Still, none of these work
[23:52] <asmo[B]> figured out the problem
[23:52] <brody> Masterof9puppets: add/remove programs - Sound Converter - this one works well
[23:52] <clintchance> Slart_ keyword Used.....  They dont anymore?
[23:52] <afallenhope> is there a way of making my /media/Nirvana go to /dev/dvd ?
[23:52] <asmo[B]> finally can access my NTFS partitions (Y)
[23:53] <tj13820> afallenhope: mount /dev/dvd /media/Nirvana
[23:53] <Slart_> clintchance: I'm not sure.. it's been a while since I tried cedega.. long while actually
[23:53] <brody> Masterof9puppets: but you need certain codecs in order to switch to mp3's
[23:53] <TuniX12> asmo[B]: you should test your disk I/O errors are usually hardware errors or u have bad magic number in super-block
[23:53] <afallenhope> tj13820: I think you have that backward
[23:53] <clintchance> Slart_, Guess im not buying :P
[23:53] <zvacet> Masterof9puppets : do you have lame installed
[23:53] <Slart_> clintchance: but check out the cedega site.. they will probably give you lots and lots of reasons to pay for it =)
[23:54] <tj13820> afallenhope: no, it's that way. you don't put the folder in the device, you put the decvice in the folder
[23:54] <afallenhope> well.. I'mm trying to play my DVD and it won't
[23:54] <clintchance> Slart_, Although i can probrubly get it from my neighbor...
[23:54] <Masterof9puppets> Whats lame zvacet?
[23:54] <zvacet> Masterof9puppets : and did you installed w32/64 codecs with synaptic
[23:54] <asmo[B]> TuniX12: I think the actual problem was just the name of the actual drives, I renamed them in windows and they mounted with no problems
[23:54] <afallenhope> I installed all the things I need to
[23:54] <brody> Masterof9puppets: they are easy to download, all you do is in the sound converter go to edit then preferences then download codecs for MP3's
[23:54] <gordonjcp> when is adblock going to be available for ff3?
[23:54] <tj13820> afallenhope: sudo mkdir /media/Nirvana
[23:55] <gordonjcp> or, is there a way to stop Hardy getting so upset about ff2?
[23:55] <Slart_> clintchance: your choice.. you can come back and let us know if it is worth the money or not
[23:55] <zvacet> Masterof9puppets  : package you will find it in synaptic or from terminal  sudo apt-get install lame
[23:55] <tj13820> afallenhope: sudo mount /dev/dvd /media/Nirvana
[23:55] <TuniX12> asmo[B]:  ok problem solved?
[23:55] <clintchance> before i log off anyone know of anyprogram that will force my laptop to cool down a bit like maby blast the fans a couple of secods? Its really starting to burnmy legs
[23:55] <asmo[B]> yes sir, works like a charm now :)
[23:55] <Slart_> gordonjcp: adblock plus is available.. or you mean the original adblock?
[23:55] <afallenhope> tj13820: it's already mounted. I get: Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument
[23:56] <tj13820> clintchance: cooling fan from targus :-)
[23:56] <gordonjcp> Slart_: preferably the original adblock, adblock plus I just don't get on with
[23:56] <TuniX12> asmo[B]:  :D good
[23:56] <gordonjcp> Slart_: adblock plus breaks too many sites I use, and adding filters is unnecessarily obtuse
[23:56] <tj13820> afallenhope: restart. you mounted it, now restart and it should automount to that folder. or let you mount it with that command
[23:56] <Slart_> clintchance: some motherboards let you control the fans.. others don't... depends on the hardware I guess..
[23:56] <clintchance> Slart_, what could i use to control them i it was supported
[23:57] <tj13820> Slart_: it depends on the BIOS
[23:57] <Slart_> gordonjcp: hmm.. haven't used the original adblock in a year or so.. think I've forgotten what it was like
[23:57] <Masterof9puppets> zvacet: I installed it, still nothing works
[23:57] <[T]ank> cp -R
[23:57] <tj13820> Slart_: the hardware can change voltages etc. but the bios doesn't have it implemented
[23:57] <[T]ank> errr. oops
[23:57] <afallenhope> tj13820: it's automatically there,,, I'm syaing it wont PLAY.. I get: Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument
[23:57] <tj13820> hmm
[23:57] <asmo[B]> opinions on the best app for music?
[23:58] <clintchance> tj13820, i dont think my bios has the health thing on it
[23:58] <afallenhope> I'm playing it in: "totem: with the restricted codecs"
[23:58] <TuniX12> amarok
[23:58] <zvacet> Masterof9puppets : can you play mp3 in any other player
[23:58] <gordonjcp> !best | asmo[B]
[23:58] <tj13820> afallenhope: look on google for "ubuntu dvd Failed to connect to stream: invalid arguement"
[23:58] <gordonjcp> asmo[B]: what do you even mean "music"?
[23:58] <Slart_> clintchance: search in synaptic.. I know nvidia has a utility to control the fans on their graphics cards.. haven't really looked for anything to control a motherboard fan though
[23:58] <Masterof9puppets> Nope zvacet
[23:58] <clintchance> Slart_, thanks will do
[23:58] <asmo[B]> gordonjcp: my bad
[23:58] <IndyGunFreak> gordonjcp: except in the case of VLC.. vlc is best at everything.. :)
[23:58] <TuniX12> asmo[B]:  try amarok it's great
[23:58] <tj13820> clintchance: you probably don't have a mechanism in your bios to conrtol ACPI. an app may be available to do so.
[23:59] <gordonjcp> asmo[B]: do you mean creating music, or listening, or scoring sheet music, or what? ;-)
[23:59] <Coyote`> hi there, anyone knows a way to brodcast what i'm actually listening ? like shoucats for winamp ?
[23:59] <gordonjcp> Coyote`: icecast?
[23:59] <asmo[B]> listening to music
[23:59] <asmo[B]> the last time I used ubuntu I used amarok
[23:59] <TuniX12> tj13820: he has but linux does not support it


[01:14] <ogra> james_w, you if you would upload a fix for bug 269150, i can approve a new upstream (i'm release manager for ubuntu-mobile, netbook-launcher is pat of the seeds)
[01:15] <ogra> so new upstram would be appreciated :)
[01:15] <james_w> ogra: cool, thanks. I'll ask Neil what he would like to do.
[01:16] <ogra> i was planning to do that anyway ... i'll just add the FFe approval to the bug, if you dont come around to do it i'll do it next week before thursday
[01:16] <james_w> ogra: I tested your ubuntu-mobile image yesterday, it works nicely. I didn't test the installer though.
[01:17] <ogra> cool, thanks for that :)
[01:17] <ogra> wlan did work fine ?
[01:17] <james_w> um, probably not actually
[01:17] <james_w> I've forgotten actually.
[01:17] <james_w> I'll test again tomorrow
[01:18] <ogra> heh
[01:18] <ogra> ok
[01:28] <danbh_intrepid> is anyone aware of problems with the rarian-compat package?
[02:49] <andresmujica> hi motus!, one question where can i find the buildlog for a specific package?
[02:49] <StevenK> On Launchpad
[02:49] <andresmujica> ~builds ?
[02:49] <StevenK> On https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtunepimp/0.5.3-7ubuntu2 ; there's links for the different arches
[02:50] <StevenK> For example
[02:50] <andresmujica> ok that's what i needed
[02:50] <andresmujica> thks
[05:38] <stefanlsd> Is there a place to view package history - im trying to find a package that may of been removed
[05:38] <StevenK> In Launchpad
[05:39] <StevenK> http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<source package>
[05:42] <stefanlsd> StevenK: thanks. LP doesnt know about it.   im looking for   libcgi-pm-perl
[05:43] <StevenK> Then that isn't the source package name
[05:44] <Flannel> I don't think thats the binary package name either.
[05:44] <persia> stefanlsd, If you know the binary appeared in an older release, try generating an apt-cache for the older release, and then running apt-cache showsrc libcgi-pm-perl against it.
[05:45] <persia> stefanlsd, Or, if you want to use a pregenerated apt-cache, use rmadison -S libcgi-pm-perl
[05:45] <persia> (and I'm tempted to agree with Flannel)
[05:47] <danbh_intrepid> stefanlsd: maybe libcgi-perl ?
[05:50] <stefanlsd> danbh_intrepid: thanks. that is probaly it. will install that and see if it gives me CGI.pm
[05:50] <stefanlsd> #  Removal requested  on 2008-06-20. - # Deleted on 2008-06-20 by Martin Pitt - (From Debian) ROM; obsolete; superseded years ago by libcgi-pm-perl
[05:51] <stefanlsd> mmm. seems like libcgi-pm-perl never made it in thou. will have to file a sync request.
[05:52] <stefanlsd> how do i search depends again and look for packages currently in the archive depending on libcgi-pm-perl.  I know bugzilla3 is one, thats how i found this (it doesnt build anymore)
[05:56] <StevenK> stefanlsd: http://paste.ubuntu.com/56890/
[05:57] <StevenK> If they depend on perl-modules | libcgi-pm-perl, they're fine
[05:58] <stefanlsd> StevenK: thanks. mm. not that many.  The main problem is that CGI.pm shipped with perl-modules is 3.29, while some applications require later. Like bugzilla needs 3.33, which debian says the user should install libcgi-pm-perl which repplaces CGI.pm. Do you think it becomes a candidate for a sync?
[06:00] <StevenK> Hmmm.
[06:00] <StevenK> % rmadison -u debian -s unstable libcgi-pm-perl
[06:00] <StevenK> libcgi-pm-perl |     3.42-1 |      unstable | source, all
[06:02] <stefanlsd><EMAIL_ADDRESS>- debian saying to use the seperate package.
[06:07] <persia> stefanlsd, Indeed.  The issue is that libcgi-perl was removed in favour of libcgi-pm-perl, but libcgi-pm-perl wasn't imported.
[06:08] <StevenK> I'll talk to pitti about it when he surfaces
[06:08] <StevenK> stefanlsd: Unfortunately, this will only fix it in intrepid
[06:09] <stefanlsd> persia: yeah. the question is, is it necessary, as perl-modules should provide it now. (which it does) - just an older version than what bugzilla3 expects
[06:09] <stefanlsd> StevenK:  bugzilla3 is only in intrepid
[06:09] <StevenK> Ah, then we are fine
[06:10] <persia> stefanlsd, I'll say "sometimes".  There are actually a number of the things in perl-modules lurking about, some more updated than others.  There's been not a small amount of discussion about this over the years, and much disagreement about how the maintainer of perl-modules should be doing things.
[06:10] <StevenK> perl-modules is still bod?
[06:11] <StevenK> Indeed.
[06:12] <stefanlsd> my feeling is we should sync it if possible. to say inline with debian, and any other packages now, and in the future that depend on CGI.pm > 3.29
[06:15] <persia> StevenK, won't it always be?
[06:21] <stefanlsd> StevenK: from the list of Depends - it looks like just bugzilla3 which needs a newer version. Gnatsweb needs CGI.pm >= 2.56.
[06:46] <dholbach> good morning
[06:51] <iulian> Good morning.
[06:52] <dholbach> hiya iulian
[06:52] <iulian> Hey Daniel.
[07:07] <highvoltage> morning iulian and dholbach
[07:08] <dholbach> hiya highvoltage
[07:08] <iulian> Hello highvoltage.
[07:10] <Burgundavia> 'ello highvoltage, dholbach
[07:10] <dholbach> hi Burgundavia
[07:10] <highvoltage> hey Burgundavia
[07:11] <highvoltage> shew, it's hot this morning.
[07:27] <jsgotangco> wow retro motu
[07:27] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:37] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: retro-motu?
[07:38] <ajmitch> highvoltage: I think he means 'old people'
[07:39] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: speak for yourself
[07:39] <highvoltage> ah :)
[07:39] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: I am
[07:39] <highvoltage> I thought someone walked into the channel with 80's day-glo clothes and a boombox and I missed it.
[07:40] <ajmitch> "can't touch this"
[07:42] <jsgotangco> you get a prize!
[08:22] <stefanlsd> StevenK: sync of libcgi-pm-perl actioned
[08:23] <StevenK> stefanlsd: I've already sync'd it
[08:23] <StevenK> stefanlsd: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libcgi-pm-perl/3.42-1
[08:24] <stefanlsd> StevenK: thanks. thats great.  Was there any arguments against the sync of it?
[08:24] <StevenK> stefanlsd: Nope
[08:56] <stefanlsd> StevenK: how long does it normally take before the mirrors get the updates?
[09:04] <didrocks> morning everyone
[09:05] <stefanlsd> hihi
[09:09] <Laney> james_w: I submitted that debdiff from the library at uni :(
[09:23] <stefanlsd> Out of interest, why doesnt ubuntu use the debian maintainer way of working. adopting and orphaning packages?
[09:24] <persia> stefanlsd, It's a philosophical difference.  Essentially, Ubuntu is about teamwork and collaboration, and so it was decided not to have maintainers to avoid maintainer-lock.
[09:26] <persia> If you look at the changelogs in Ubuntu, you'll see a lot of variation in uploaders.  This is because people are working on various things, which often touch several packages.
[09:26] <persia> It's considered easier when e.g. updating a library, to be able to rebuild the rdepends directly, perhaps with API changes, rather than having to speak to each maintainer separately about that.
[09:27] <stefanlsd> persia: mm. yeah. that makes sense
[09:27] <stefanlsd> and i guess if you speak to the last uploaded, you are speaking to a 'maintainer'
[09:28] <persia> Sometimes.  Depends on the reason for the last upload.  Personally, I'm very much not a fan of the "contact last uploader" rule : I think it's better to contact known interested parties.
[09:28] <stefanlsd> although, sometimes it feels like there are too many packages to motu to know about and keep tabs on
[09:28] <persia> Often I'll upload things for a library transition or to add a .desktop file or to fix a trivial FTBFS.  That doesn't mean I have any understanding of the package, and I get confused when someone asks me about it several months later.
[09:29] <stefanlsd> persia: yeah. how do you find interested parties though?  i guess an LP team would be one way
[09:29] <persia> On the other hand, there are several packages I watch, and although I may rarely if ever upload them, I'm certainly able to comment about them, or provide suggestions.
[09:30] <stefanlsd> i quiet like the debian way though, with one person with an interest in a package completely dedicated to maintaining it, using it, watching mailing lists etc
[09:30] <persia> Generally I start by asking here.  If nobody seems interested, and I still have a question, I'll look around for likely groups.  If I don't find one, I'll send email asking about it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>If there is no response, then I presume I'm the only interested person, and will either make my best guess, or work closely with Debian.
[09:31] <persia> The changelog can be a hint, but depending on the specific changes, it may not be a good guideline of interest.
[09:32] <persia> Where there is a clear specific maintainer for a package, this is usually obvious by a long string of updates in the changelog, and that would be the person to contact, but this is maintenance by activity, rather than by documentation.
[09:33] <persia> So, in summary, if you know you're doing the right thing, just do it.  If you're not sure, ask here, ask people who have worked with the package (either in Ubuntu or Debian), etc.  If nobody can point you anywhere, you become the expert.
[09:34] <persia> stefanlsd, Yeah, there's a lot of value to that model also.  Without Debian using the Debian way, Ubuntu couldn't exist.  That said, there's a lot of teams in Debian also, where the work is often similar to Ubuntu.
[09:36] <stefanlsd> persia: yeah. ok. thanks :)
[09:54] <Koon> asac: about the -vpnc and -pptp updates, I can provide new snapshots and tests that they compile, but cannot really check that they are working / not regressing.
[09:54] <Koon> asac: also do you want them all at the 20081008 level ? -vpnc had no change between 0928 and 1008...
[09:55] <asac> Koon: well. thats ok
[09:55] <asac> Koon: i want all to be on the same date yes.
[09:55] <asac> Koon: otherwise it might get confusing
[09:56] <Koon> asac: I understand
[09:56] <asac> Koon: if you are sure they havent changed ... then well. :)
[09:56] <asac> if ther eis no interdiff then there wont be regressions at least ;)
[09:57] <Koon> asac: I'll provide all of them on chinstrap with the 1008 dates, you'll pick the one you prefer :)
[09:57] <asac> Koon: no need for chinstap
[09:57] <asac> Koon: chinstrap == private ,) ... either put them on people.ubuntu.com or just to the bug
[09:57] <Koon> asac: I'll attach them on the bug then, they are not that big.
[09:57] <asac> Koon: i will sponsor all in the row
[09:57] <asac> yeah
[09:57] <asac> cool
[09:57] <asac> thanks
[10:37] <Koon> asac: done
[10:38] <asac> Koon: whats the bug?
[10:38] <Koon> all in bug 275608
[10:38] <asac> thx
[10:39] <asac> Koon: so how did you produce the origs?
[10:39] <asac> just apt-get source network-manager (latest) and then tarring up the vpn-daemons dirs?
[10:39] <Koon> asac: from a svn checkout
[10:39] <Koon> at the revision used for 1008-224240
[10:40] <Koon> (which should give the same results)
[10:41] <Koon> asac: I'll be right back, I've to try switching cpu fans to kill the noise
[10:42] <asac> Kopfgeldjaeger: why didnt you use the tarball?
[10:42] <asac> or bzr?
[10:42] <asac> Kopfgeldjaeger: oops ignor ;)
[10:45] <freeflying> hi guys, gnome.asia conf will be held in beijing this weekend, if anyone would be there can drop me a mail more details: http://www.gnome.asia
[10:56] <Koon> asac: just received build failure notifications for n-m-openvpn on... hardy (?!)
[10:57] <asac_> Koon: ppa i guess
[10:57] <Koon> asac: ah yes
[10:57] <asac_> [PPA network-manager] [ubuntu/hardy] network-manager-openvpn
[10:57] <asac_> Koon: ppa is busted in hardy since a few days :(
[10:57] <asac_> somehow NM stopped to be able to install its build-depends
[10:57] <asac_> namely: intltool
[10:58] <asac_> (cannot be installed!!!)
[10:58] <Koon> beh
[10:58] <asac_> but maybe i am just blind ;)
[10:58] <asac_> Koon: uploaded everything now
[10:58] <asac_> Koon: next time please attach the .dsc
[10:59] <Koon> asac: ok
[10:59] <asac_> Koon: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18452672/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-amd64.network-manager_0.7~~svn20081008t224042-0ubuntu2~nm1~hardy1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[10:59] <asac_> Koon: if you see any reason why that shouldnt work let me know ;)
[10:59] <asac_> but i guess its a soyuz issue
[11:00] <glatzor> dholbach, james_w, hello the ffe of packagekit from 9/30 has not yet been replied.
[11:00] <glatzor> what can I do?
[11:00] <james_w> hey glatzor
[11:04] <dholbach> glatzor: ping somebody of https://launchpad.net/~motu-release/+members :)
[11:04] <glatzor> morning mvo!
[11:04] <dholbach> glatzor: mvo is not here :)
[11:04]  * dholbach hugs glatzor
[11:05] <glatzor> morning james_w and dholbach :)
[11:09] <glatzor> bye guys!
[12:49] <white> anyone here using openswan?
[12:49] <StevenK> Used to
[12:50] <white> StevenK: maybe you can clarify something for me
[12:51] <white> the scripts under /usr/lib/ipsec/, /usr/lib/ipsec/livetest in particular, when are they used?
[12:51] <StevenK> No idea about that, sorry
[12:51] <white> i'll keep looking :)
[13:35] <james_w> anybody want to take a look at fatsort? Apparently syncing the latest from Debian would be a good idea. I'd like to find out if there are any new features.
[14:02] <AnAnt> persia: sl-modem ?
[14:03] <persia> AnAnt, Just to make sure, you know that me playing with it will have absolutely no effect on it getting into Debian, and is unlikely to help it getting into intrepid, right?
[14:03] <AnAnt> persia: yeah, but I wanted an opinion
[14:04] <AnAnt> persia: probably you can give hints about adding dkms support to it
[14:04] <persia> I will, but based on what you've said, I suspect it works wonderfully :)
[14:05] <persia> I really don't know anything about dkms, except that it's supposed to compile modules locally on installation.
[14:05] <james_w> this is bug 269855?
[14:06] <persia> james_w, No, it's a complete repackaging to fix most of the outstanding issues with ls-modem.  Includes *lots* of patches.
[14:07] <persia> New upstream version, amd64 support, additional device support, proper ALSA integration, etc.
[14:07] <crimsun> james_w: that approach is fine with me (and sorry about not checking Debian; it was 0100 ;-), but I went the safe route
[14:08] <slytherin> AnAnt: you should talk with superm1 about dkms. And by the way, is dkms present in Debian?
[14:08] <slytherin> geser: Could you please do a rebuild for libxstream-java? pitti says there is no other way to retrieve the binary.
[14:09] <crimsun> slytherin: according to rmadison, no
[14:09] <AnAnt> slytherin: nope, not in debian yet
[14:09]  * persia does the libxstream-java build1 upload
[14:10] <james_w> crimsun: no problem, I just want to know if I can file a sync request, or it needs an FFe first.
[14:13] <slytherin> persia: thanks
[14:17] <superm1> AnAnt, there is an ITP filed for it, and a bunch of discussion that happened
[14:17] <superm1> I believe the person who was pushing to get it in is still looking for a sponsor though
[14:34] <AnAnt> superm1: that's me !
[14:34] <AnAnt> superm1: I filed the ITP I mean
[14:34] <AnAnt> superm1: what discussions you talking about ?
[14:34] <AnAnt> superm1: you talking about sl-modem or dkms ?
[14:36] <AnAnt> superm1: anyways, I meant the ITP for sl-modem
[14:43] <superm1> AnAnt, i mean for DKMS
[14:44] <superm1> AnAnt, dave palimino (sp) filed the ITP for DKMS
[14:46] <AnAnt> superm1: ok, I want to add dkms support to sl-modem, I noticed that sl-modem currently builds the modules in debian/rules, dunno how module-assistant uses that
[14:46] <AnAnt> superm1: it is in a binary-modules: target in debian/rules, so for dkms, shall I add the dkms commands there ?
[14:46] <persia> AnAnt, module-assistant needs you to build a -source package, and add m-a hooks.
[14:47] <AnAnt> superm1: or should they be in a postinst file ?
[14:47] <superm1> AnAnt, generally you do the dkms steps in the postinst
[14:47] <AnAnt> persia: yes, there is an sl-modem-source package
[14:47] <superm1> that way you don't ship a pre-compiled version
[14:48] <AnAnt> superm1: ok
[14:48] <AnAnt> superm1: so a package can support both m-i module-assitant and dkms, right ?
[14:49] <AnAnt> superm1: I mean, if I leave the debian/rules as is (except for adding install dkms.conf), and add a postinst to run dkms commands, then the package can work with both, right ?
[14:49] <superm1> AnAnt, yeah I suppose
[14:49] <superm1> AnAnt, i've always torn out the m-a stuff so as to not confuse people in Ubuntu
[14:49] <superm1> but that will work
[14:50] <AnAnt> cool
[14:50] <persia> If you can, it might make sense to try to detect if the build is happening in Debian or Ubuntu, and either do m-a or dkms hooks as a result.
[14:52] <AnAnt> persia: actually I will check for dkms instead of debian/ubuntu
[14:52] <AnAnt> that's what I thought of
[14:52] <persia> AnAnt, Remember to check if it's available, rather than if it's installed.
[14:53] <AnAnt> persia: [ -x /usr/sbin/dkms ] ?
[14:53] <persia> No, that checks if it is installed.  You need to see if the package could be installed.
[14:53] <persia> If you do that, you'd have to build-depend on dkms, and it would FTBFS in a distro without DKMS
[14:54] <superm1> persia, why not just recommend DKMS?
[14:54] <superm1> if it's available it shows up, and it runs in the postinst like AnAnt was suggesting
[14:54] <persia> superm1, Because there is no Build-Recommends:
[14:54] <superm1> persia, it's not needed to build
[14:54] <superm1> persia, just in the postinst
[14:55] <persia> superm1, The trick is to create a source package that uses m-a if built in a distro without DKMS, and uses DKMS if built in a distro that has it.
[14:55] <superm1> oh I see.
[14:55] <persia> Err.  create a source package that generates a binary package that ...
[14:55] <superm1> yeah
[14:55] <persia> Otherwise AnAnt has to maintain the source in two places, or maintain the delta, which is annoying.
[14:55] <superm1> well aside from clever trickery, maintaining the delta wouldn't be "horrible"
[14:56] <persia> No, but the clever trickery is better, no?
[14:56] <superm1> because sl-modem isn't rev'd too much I don't believe
[14:56] <superm1> clever trickery is ideal, but time consuming to come up with
[14:56] <persia> Actually, upstream is fairly active.  It's just that nobody was maintaining it, so it gave the impression of bing inactive.
[14:57] <persia> Well, it's unlikely to get uploaded anywhere until either squeeze or jaunty open, so there's time now.
[14:57] <AnAnt> it is active upstream
[14:57] <AnAnt> I think
[14:57] <persia> And we're *way* behind.
[14:58] <superm1> ah I see
[14:58] <AnAnt> to tell you the truth
[14:58] <persia> I think we last updated for Edgy or Feisty or something
[14:58] <AnAnt> the preivous maintainer seems that he didn't want to package 2.9.11 for copyright reasons
[14:58] <superm1> well AnAnt then for clever trickery, you'll need to have debian/control dynamically created.  Perhaps can you run something such as apt-cache policy from within debian/rules to query if DKMS is available?
[14:59] <superm1> buildd's should have a valid apt cache in their env
[15:00] <directhex> AnAnt, legitimate copyright reasons?
[15:00] <AnAnt> directhex: dunno
[15:00] <AnAnt> hang on
[15:00] <AnAnt> here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354216
[15:00] <directhex> see, this is why wikis are useful for team collab on packaging
[15:01] <AnAnt> superm1: ok, I got two modules slusb & slamr, both are built using same make command
[15:02] <AnAnt> superm1:  so shall I do BUILT_MODULE_NAME[0]="slusb slamr" ?
[15:02] <superm1> AnAnt, no you have separate built module name blocks for each
[15:02] <superm1> but only need the one build command
[15:02] <superm1> look at lirc
[15:03] <persia> Can't one relicense BSD code as GPL code, for recent BSD anyway?
[15:03] <superm1> it has a ton of modules, see how it did dkms.conf
[15:03] <AnAnt> superm1: ok, another problem
[15:03] <AnAnt> superm1: slusb cannot be built for kernel modules > 2.6.24 , how can I handle that ?
[15:04] <superm1> AnAnt, do you have a patch for it?, or it simply CANT be built for such modules?
[15:05] <AnAnt> superm1: upstream says that there's support for it for kernels > 2.6.24
[15:05] <superm1> so what's the problem then?
[15:05] <AnAnt> superm1: actually, in upstream's makefile he checks for kernel version > 2.6.24 before building slusb
[15:05] <superm1> oh less than 2.6.24
[15:05] <AnAnt> superm1: how should I handle that in dkms.conf ?
[15:05] <superm1> right
[15:06] <superm1> AnAnt, I wouldn't worry about it, the ubuntu release it's entering is going to be significantly further than 2.6.24
[15:06] <AnAnt> superm1: well, what if one wants to build for 2.6.24 for example ?
[15:07] <persia> AnAnt, Let's assume that everyone using this will be at least on 2.6.26 (lenny), if not 2.6.27 (intrepid).
[15:08] <persia> AnAnt, If you *really* care about backports to hardy, you might look at a source-changed-backport, but there's not exactly a lot of users complaining.
[15:08] <AnAnt> persia: will it be complex to assume otherwise ?
[15:08] <AnAnt> superm1: what's BUILT_MODULE_LOCATION ?
[15:09] <AnAnt> superm1: is that where to find the module after build ?
[15:09] <superm1> AnAnt, yeah
[15:09] <persia> AnAnt, hardy is 2.6.24.
[15:20] <AnAnt> hmmm, sl-modem-source package has the source files packed in a /usr/src/sl-modem.tar.bz2, does dkms support that ?
[15:22] <nhandler> Good morning Daniel
[15:24] <dholbach> hi nhandler
[15:31] <geser> slytherin: was libxstream-java the only affected package?
[15:31] <slytherin> geser: yes as per my analysis.
[15:31] <geser> persia: have you tried asking cprov if he can recover libxstream-java back from LP?
[15:32] <james_w> he uploaded a new version to build it again
[15:32] <cprov> geser: ubuntu primary archive ?
[15:33] <geser> cprov: yes, LP ate libxstream-java  (arch:all) after to many promotions/demotions
[15:33] <geser> cprov: persia "fixed" it by a new upload
[15:34] <cprov> geser: uhm, promotion + demotion in the same publishing cycle ?
[15:35] <persia> cprov, Something like that.  I think it was multiverse<->unverse
[15:35] <cprov> persia: uhm, is there a bug filed about it ?  (let me check)
[15:36] <persia> cprov, Not for that specifically.  pitti recommended an upload in -devel some time back.  I'll see if I can find context.
[15:37] <persia> No, that goes farther than my current backscroll.
[15:40] <james_w> lytherin> pitti: need some help. The binary for libxstream-java was eaten by LP when moving from multiverse to universe and back again. (bug #268538). Any idea how can it be restored?
 slytherin: hm, I guess we can only upload a build1 and shove it through NEW
[15:40] <james_w> cprov: persia ^
[15:41] <cprov> james_w: thanks, let me find the bug in soyuz context.
[17:34] <shahriar86> Hi I want to report a bug in Probhat (Bengali) Keyboard layout (Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex Beta 1) how can I report a bug in such a way that a Bengali speaking Developer (tester) notices it?>?
[17:35] <shahriar86> I am aware of launchpad is the place to report bug. but the problem (bug) is of complex type that any developer won't understand it. Only Bengali speaking people will understand what I am saying
[17:35] <shahriar86> so is there any specific way I can approach the Bengali developers for Probhat layout?
[17:36] <shahriar86> I am more of looking for the people who packaged Probhat Keyboard layout in Intrepid (its almost close to imposible to make a non-Bengali understand the problem/bug)
[17:36] <shahriar86> any help?
[17:36] <AnAnt> shahriar86: isn't there a bengali loco team ?
[17:36] <AnAnt> shahriar86: and can an arab understand it ?
[17:37] <shahriar86> not really
[17:38] <shahriar86> yes there are few bengali loco team. But they are not active that much (funny thing is I am also part of a Bengali speaking Loco team)
[17:38] <shahriar86> I need to find out who have packaged the Bangladesh Probhat Keyboard layout
[17:38] <shahriar86> then It will be easier
[17:38] <AnAnt> shahriar86: what's the package name ?
[17:40] <shahriar86> its a keyboard layout
[17:40] <AnAnt> shahriar86: or do you  know what file is causing you the problem ?
[17:40] <shahriar86> Probhat
[17:40] <shahriar86> no sorry
[17:41] <shahriar86> the thing is in Bengali there are few complex words we write them in one go. like say স্ট we write it s+t in probhat we type s+/+t to join them
[17:41] <shahriar86> now it seems the key "/" is missing or omitted somehow
[17:42] <shahriar86> when ever I am typing s+/+t I only get "s" not "st"
[17:42] <shahriar86> Bangladesh Probhat Keyboard layout
[17:43] <AnAnt> shahriar86: are you using hardy or intrepid now ?
[17:43] <shahriar86> I am using hardy 8.04.1 kde 3.5
[17:44] <shahriar86> I run Intrepid in Virtual box 1.5.6
[17:44] <shahriar86> I installed Intrepid last Thursday
[17:44] <AnAnt> the problem is in hardy or intrepid ?
[17:45] <shahriar86> intrepid
[17:45] <shahriar86> in hardy it is working just fine
[17:45] <shahriar86> (the way it should work)
[17:45] <shahriar86> the problem is in Intrepid beta 1
[17:45] <AnAnt> shahriar86: is it in console or GUI ?
[17:45] <shahriar86> gui
[17:46] <shahriar86> ah can you rephrase last question about gui or cui
[17:46] <shahriar86> not sure about how a keyboard layout could be gui or cui
[17:49] <AnAnt> try asking in #ubuntu+1 about the package that contains keyboard layouts
[17:50] <AnAnt> in Intrepid
[17:50] <shahriar86> ok thanks
[17:52] <slytherin> shahriar86: all the indic related packages in Ubuntu are inherited from Debian. The package that contains keyboard layout seems to be scim-tables-additional and the file is probably /usr/share/scim/tables/Bengali-probhat.bin. Even if you file a bug in Ubuntu, chances are that it will get forwarded to Debian.
[17:53] <shahriar86> ok thanks I am checking with it
[17:53] <AnAnt> shahriar86: you are using scim ?
[17:54] <shahriar86> no
[17:54] <AnAnt> slytherin: I think it's something else
[17:54] <shahriar86> its an stand alone keyboard layout (more of a default keyboard for Bengali speaking users)
[17:54] <slytherin> shahriar86: how do you select keyboard layout?
[17:54] <shahriar86> I know who have developed the initial layout but not sure who have packaged it
[17:55] <shahriar86> from system>preferences>>keyboard>>layouts
[17:56] <shahriar86> Add (country Bangladesh)>> Variants Probhat Keyboard
[17:56] <slytherin> shahriar86: that is package xkb then or xkb-data
[17:56] <shahriar86> ok thanks
[17:56] <shahriar86> so how do I report the problem?
[17:57] <slytherin> shahriar86: First you can try sending mail to indlinux list to check if anyone else has faced the issue. If no one and it is specific to ubuntu then file a bug.
[17:57] <shahriar86> ok thanks
[18:40] <goshawk> hi
[18:40] <goshawk> if someone has free time
[18:40] <goshawk> can please review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=dsss
[18:40] <goshawk> ?
[18:40] <goshawk> thanks
[18:41] <slytherin> goshawk: I believe at this point of time in release cycle people are busy with fixing build failures and bugs. :-)
[18:41] <goshawk> oops
[18:41] <goshawk> sorry
[18:41] <goshawk> i didn't thought about it
[18:42] <goshawk> :(
[18:46] <slytherin> persia: there?
[19:58] <AnAnt> superm1: hello, I added dkms support to sl-modem, but it only builds one module, not the other, and make.log is empty !
[19:59] <AnAnt> not really empty, but it doesn't show the CC lines at all, even for the compiled module
[20:01] <AnAnt> slytherin: about kbd, the special laptop keys (like web browser key, ...) are they defined in the kbd/kbd-data ?
[20:02] <slytherin> AnAnt: I don't think so.
[20:03] <AnAnt> ok
[20:21] <fabrice_sp> DktrKranz: thanks for acking Bug #242572! \o/  Any other motu-release here for the second ack? ;-)
[20:34] <rainct> Hi
[20:36] <rainct> Uhm.. I've installed Intrepid Beta (full format! :D) and now the computer *completely* hangs (ie, I can't raise elephants) when I try to enter GNOME (openbox wtf :P). Did anyone else experience the same problem?
[20:37] <geser> rainct: have you tried changing to the console and checking top and also perhaps dmesg?
[20:39] <rainct> geser: I can't. It's *dead* (with "raise elephants" I mean Alt+PetSis+R,S,E,I,U,B - even that doesn't work).
[20:39] <rainct> I looked at .xsession-errors after rebooting but that doesn't say anything interesting
[20:40]  * rainct will try again once has has finished upgrading everything
[20:40] <sebner> rainct: upgraded to intrepid?
[20:40]  * sebner hides
[20:40] <rainct> sebner: nope, clean install
[20:40] <ajmitch> well if it was a full kernel panic & everything went splat, then nothing would get logged
[20:40] <sebner> ^^
[20:41]  * ajmitch blames the circus midgets
[20:49] <DktrKranz> fabrice_sp, you're welcome ;)
[20:53] <rainct> (that's the .xsession-errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/57126/plain/)
[21:42] <rainct> How can I get the MAC address of my ethernet card? (And why is nm-applet so complicated? :P)
[21:43] <DktrKranz> rainct, ifconfig | grep HWaddr
[21:43] <Laney> rainct: ifconfig or nm-applet both have it
[21:44] <Laney> "Connection information" in the latter
[21:44] <rainct> Laney: but you have to configure the connection first, and it asks you for the MAC address for that
[21:44] <rainct> DktrKranz: ah, of course. thanks :)
[21:44] <Laney> rainct: :O what kind of connection?
[21:44] <rainct> Laney: wired
[21:45] <Laney> I've not had to do that
[21:45] <DktrKranz> rainct, one non-obvious solution would be sorting skbuff linked list with a kernel module, I had a LKM which does that
[21:47] <leonel_> hello :   I'm trying to backport Django 1.0 from intrepid to hardy and need  python-sphinx   when doing  debuild -S -sa  I get this error :  dh_clean: Sorry, but 6 is the highest compatibility level supported by this debhelper.   with the package  sphinx
[21:47] <leonel_> even if I change the  debhelper version in   debian/control
[22:06] <geser> leonel_: check debian/compat
[22:07] <leonel_> geser: thank you
[22:30] <Adri2000> zul: so, what's up with fail2ban?
[22:43] <rainct> I suppose I can replace nm-applet with network-manager?
[22:43] <james_w> ScottK: hi, were you giving an ACK for a packagekit standing freeze exception?
[22:44] <RAOF> rainct: No; nm-applet is the applet that allows you to interact with network-manager
[22:44] <rainct> RAOF: uhm? but network-manager isn't installed on Intrepid
[22:44] <RAOF> ...?!
[22:44] <rainct> errr.. network-admin
[22:45] <RAOF> Aaah.  Yes.
[22:45] <rainct> but it is neither in the repos :(
[22:46] <rainct> well, can someone tell me how to configure the 3G connection
[22:46] <rainct> please?
[22:46] <rainct> ie, where do I choose which device the modem is?
[22:55] <rainct_> argh, finally it's working :P
[22:55] <rainct_> somehow nm-applet's configuration window and I aren't compatible, but now that's it's working it's actually pretty nice :P


[00:00] <elhoir> did i do anything wrong?
[00:01] <SonikkuAmerica> !paste | elhoir, for future ref
[00:01] <elhoir> that was 2 lines only :(
[00:01] <TJ-> elhoir: change the 'eXecute' *permissions* bit of that file to prevent it being executed :)
[00:01] <elhoir> oh lol
[00:01] <elhoir> sorry!
[00:02] <elhoir> okay :P
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:11] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj, heya
[12:11] <BluesKaj> hi Akiva-Thinkpad
[12:12] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj, what can I help you with today?
[12:12] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj, Calm down mam; your cd rom is not a cup holder.
[12:12] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj, No mam; I am not an idiat
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Akiva-Thinkpad, not much, I hang out here
[12:13] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj, I am so glad we could get that resolved
[12:13] <Akiva-Thinkpad> :)
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Akiva-Thinkpad, what's this BS?
[12:13] <Akiva-Thinkpad> http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail152.html
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Akiva-Thinkpad, I don't click on urls posted by users I don't know, so don't bother
[12:15] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj, it had flash in it, so you were probably better off :P
[13:54] <chrs_> so desktop next is severly broken on laptops
[13:54] <chrs_> but thats ok since i don't need mir anyway
[13:56] <BluesKaj> that's why i run kde, no such troubles
[13:58] <chrs_> does kde support HiDPI screens?
[13:58] <chrs_> by "support" i mean "are most things readable"
[13:58] <BluesKaj> yes
[13:58] <chrs_> hm, interesting
[14:01] <BluesKaj> one can increase the dpi for large screens, but chromium tab fonts don't integrate well with kde settings or even gtk now for that matter
[14:01] <BluesKaj> that's the only problem I've encoutered so far
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Kubuntu is eventually going to switch to Wayland from X, but there's no official release or date afaik
[14:05] <qengho> BluesKaj: Do you know how kde's DPI is discovered by apps?  If chromium should be smarter, maybe I can help.
[14:10] <BluesKaj> qengho, no I assume the dpi is set as 96dpi by default in system settings>application appearance>fonts
[14:35] <Akiva-Thinkpad> chrs_, desktop next?
[14:36] <Akiva-Thinkpad> chrs_, you arent talking about 14.10, but an additional image to that, right?
[14:53] <BluesKaj> there's a plasma5 image available now, http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/daily-live/current/
[15:14] <chrs_> Akiva-Thinkpad: yeah there are two versions of 14.10 apparently
[15:15] <chrs_> Akiva-Thinkpad: i grabbed the "desktop-next" iso thinking it was better, by whatever arbitrary naive measure i had in my mind at the time
[15:15] <chrs_> i guess it's "next" because it has mir
[15:15] <Akiva-Thinkpad> chrs_, interesting. Well one thing to keep in mind, is that the desktop session hasnt even been designed yet. The recent Developer get together, the designs for the tablet are next, and the desktop will probably land some time in 15.10
[15:15] <chrs_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/
[15:16] <chrs_> Akiva-Thinkpad: ok, that pretty much explains what i saw
[15:16] <Akiva-Thinkpad> chrs_, there is also a ppa on launchpad
[15:16] <Akiva-Thinkpad> sec
[15:16] <chrs_> installed the "normal" desktop image instead
[15:16] <chrs_> and that seems to be working fine
[15:16] <Akiva-Thinkpad> https://launchpad.net/unity8-desktop-session
[15:16] <BluesKaj> what's normal?
[15:17] <chrs_> BluesKaj: the 14.10 image from last night us eastern
[15:17] <Akiva-Thinkpad> chrs_, yah; ive been running 14.10 since the initial alpha; besides some sleep issues
[15:17] <Akiva-Thinkpad> its been perfectly stable
[15:17] <chrs_> i haven't tried sleep yet
[15:17] <BluesKaj> unity DE?
[15:17] <chrs_> i was too scared
[15:17] <chrs_> BluesKaj: yes
[15:17] <chrs_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/utopic-desktop-amd64.iso
[15:17] <chrs_> oops
[15:18] <BluesKaj> normal for some I guess , not me
[15:18] <chrs_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20140820/utopic-desktop-amd64.iso
[15:18] <chrs_> ^ that one
[15:18] <chrs_> BluesKaj: whats normal for you?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> KDE
[15:19] <chrs_> i figured unity de was the most widely installed
[15:19] <chrs_> i could be wrong
[15:19] <chrs_> but maybe "normal" isn't the best word
[15:19] <chrs_> i couldn't think of "unity de"
[15:19] <elfy> ubuntu probably is :)
[15:19] <BluesKaj> it probly is, unfortunately
[15:20] <chrs_> elfy: what is ubunty? gnome?
[15:20] <chrs_> BluesKaj: what's wrong with unity?
[15:20] <elfy> ubunty is a made up name like some of the others I've seen :p Ubuntu is unity and gnome
[15:20] <elfy> not everyone in here uses that chrs_
[15:21] <chrs_> i realize that
[15:21] <elfy> BluesKaj and me for example :)
[15:21] <chrs_> but i mean, is there something about it you don't like?
[15:21] <chrs_> i'm just curious
[15:21] <BluesKaj> wrong? probly nothing now, just not to my taste that's all ..prefer the fexibility of KDE and easily organized desktop
[15:22] <elfy> yes - it's not xfce - it's not wrong, I just don't like it personally
[15:22] <chrs_> theres another popular project named "unity"
[15:22] <BluesKaj> and the KDE "look" of course
[15:22] <chrs_> it's some kind of game/multimedia engine
[15:22] <chrs_> i'm not sure what it is exactly, but it's a little confusing
[15:23] <chrs_> i find kde kind of boring looking
[15:23] <chrs_> i guess i haven't really used it in a while though
[15:23] <chrs_> remember cde?
[15:26] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj, yah; if you like customizability, kde is bar none the winner
[15:26] <Akiva-Thinkpad> for me though it was always a time waster... I JUST COULDNT HELP MYSELF!
[15:28] <BluesKaj> Akiva-Thinkpad, I'm an old windows guy who discovered KDE about 12-13 yrs ago after discovering Linux first and gnome was never my cuppa tea
[15:29] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj wow, you go way back :P
[15:29] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj, I sort of miss those days;
[15:30] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Unity though does something that I wish KDE would do; hud :)
[15:30] <BluesKaj> Akiva-Thinkpad, not as far as alot of linux users believe me
[15:30] <Akiva-Thinkpad> although I heard there was a program being developed for that; I would give kde a shot
[15:32] <BluesKaj> hud is unity thing , probly needs it
[15:32] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj, yah; not every app utilizes it well, but something like the gimp works really well with it
[15:33] <Akiva-Thinkpad> given it has about 300 menu items
[15:33] <chrs_> i'm not a huge gnome fan
[15:33] <chrs_> but i think unity is ok
[15:33] <Akiva-Thinkpad> chrs_, I tried gnomeshell; maybe it was just me, but I felt like the search was not as good as unity's
[15:34] <chrs_> i'd actually be fine with using kde if everyone switched to that for some reason
[15:34] <Akiva-Thinkpad> it was like using ask.com instead of google.com
[15:34] <chrs_> there are so many options to chose from if you're a linux/bsd/unix user
[15:34] <Akiva-Thinkpad> chrs_, well what is interesting now, is that I am starting to use the new unity qml apps
[15:34] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I got rid of nautilus
[15:34] <Akiva-Thinkpad> now I use the filebrowser app :)
[15:35] <chrs_> does unity use natilus?
[15:35] <Akiva-Thinkpad> yep
[15:35] <Akiva-Thinkpad> unity7
[15:35] <chrs_> can you use filebrowser with unity?
[15:35] <Akiva-Thinkpad> yep, i'll screen shot it
[15:35] <chrs_> instead of nautilus
[15:35] <chrs_> ok cool
[15:35] <chrs_> nautilus was slow back in the day
[15:36] <Akiva-Thinkpad> http://imgur.com/LrkN8IY
[15:36] <Akiva-Thinkpad> mmmmm nautilus has been stripping some of its features
[15:36] <Akiva-Thinkpad> which bugs me
[15:37] <Akiva-Thinkpad> then again filebrowser is still in its infancy, but its coming a long way
[15:37] <Akiva-Thinkpad> chrs_, oh and you should see the new terminal
[15:37] <Akiva-Thinkpad> :9
[15:38] <Akiva-Thinkpad> chrs_, BluesKaj http://i.imgur.com/Ntu399y.png
[15:39] <chrs_> that looks cool
[15:39] <chrs_> what terminal is that?
[15:40] <Akiva-Thinkpad> chrs_, the touch terminal
[15:40] <Akiva-Thinkpad> err for ubuntu touch
[15:40] <Akiva-Thinkpad> that look will be optional though
[15:47] <chrs_> i figured
[15:47] <chrs_> mac os x has something like that
[15:47] <chrs_> cathode i think it's called
[15:47] <chrs_> not sure about ios
[15:48] <chrs_> it would be nice to have that eye candy option on a linux desktop
[15:53] <Akiva-Thinkpad> :)
[16:03] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Alright; think I'm gonna head out
[16:03] <Akiva-Thinkpad> whats the rtm date again btw?
[16:03] <Akiva-Thinkpad> opps
[16:03] <Akiva-Thinkpad> wc
[20:06] <kbroulik> hi, when I'm running an apt-get update on my utopic I get "GPG error: http://de.archive.ubuntu.com utopic Release The following signatures were invalid:  BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>how do I solve this?
[20:19] <brainwash> kbroulik: maybe try again in few minutes/hours
[20:19] <brainwash> could be a temporary problem
[20:19] <kbroulik> ha, indeed, just tried again, now it works. thanks nonetheless


[06:32] <yurtesen> Just out of curiosity, if one edits files under debian folder. How these are kept up to date when the package is synced from Debian upstream?
[06:33] <Unit193> If it's sync'd, they aren't.  Packages with 'ubuntu' in the version string don't get autosync'd.
[06:45] <yurtesen> Unit193: This is fine after debian import freeze. But what happens when it is synced from upstream Debian for the next ubuntu version? The Ubuntu specific fixes would get lost?
[09:39] <yurtesen> I guess my question is how is it handled that ubuntu specific fixes are not lost?
[09:42] <RikMills> yurtesen: packages with a ubuntu revision do not get autosynced. they need a developer to manually force sync them, or do a merge with debian to keep the ubuntu changes that are still required
[09:47] <yurtesen> RikMills: I understand that but packages have ubuntu revision only after the debian import freeze. For the next version of Ubuntu, same package will be synced without the ubuntu revision. Isn't this correct?
[09:50] <yurtesen> If the fix is for a problem shared between Ubuntu and Debian, yes the fix can be merged into upstream Debian package. But what if the fix is only effecting Ubuntu because of a Ubuntu specific change in a different package?
[09:52] <yurtesen> How will somebody remember that a certain Ubuntu specific change was needed in a package when package is synced from upstream Debian for the next version of Ubuntu?
[09:56] <yurtesen> I created debdiff for fixing #1964881 and added to the launchpad issue. But this bug does not effect in Debian. I am just wondering how to proceed from here now.
[10:01] <RikMills> yurtesen: no, that is not correct. the ubuntu in the version string will prevent the auto-sync script from syncing it
[10:03] <yurtesen> RikMills: in focal, the tomcat9 package version is 9.0.31-1ubuntu0.1 but in jammy the version is 9.0.58-1  how is this possible then?
[10:05] <yurtesen> It seems that for the next Ubuntu version, the latest upstream versions are synced until debian import freeze.
[10:06] <yurtesen> independent of if in previous release there was ubuntu in the version string or not.
[10:10] <RikMills> because that is a security update to focal which would not have have needed to be copied forward to hirsute archive as the debian version included it. if the debian version had not had the fixes, a ubuntu dev would have done a ubuntu1
[10:22] <yurtesen> RikMills: It is fine. My point was that the Debian packages can be re-synced in new releases of Ubuntu even if in the past the package had Ubuntu specific patches with "ubuntu" version string.
[11:07] <yurtesen> So my question remains, how does one make sure that changes in one package due to an Ubuntu specific reason, survives the re-sync?
[11:17] <yurtesen> That said, I submitted the patch to Debian also now. But it seems silly as the issue is created by Ubuntu running rsyslogd as syslog:syslog :(
[11:42] <laney> Developers are supposed to check any Ubuntu changes can be discarded or are in the Debian version, when they request a sync. If they're still needed, then a merge is required instead and not a sync.


[13:21] <shadeslayer> hi, I'm on Kubuntu and I don't seem to have a com.ubuntu.Upstart interface on the session bus
[13:22] <shadeslayer> it does sometimes appear, but currently doesn't seem to be there
[13:22] <shadeslayer> any ideas?
[13:40] <jodh> shadeslayer: yes - that is bug 1258098 - I've fixed the bug. Just needs to be reviewed by an Upstart developer such that we can get it into the next release (this/next week I'm hoping).
[13:41] <shadeslayer> aha cool, I just wanted to be informed since I landed a patch in kde-workspace that allows suspending via the logind interfaces provided by com.ubuntu.Upstart a few weeks back
[13:41] <shadeslayer> and I started noticing lately that my laptop did not suspend since there was no com.ubuntu.Upstart
[13:43] <jodh> shadeslayer: oh - are you talking about the system bus?
[13:43] <shadeslayer> jodh: no, session bus
[13:44] <jodh> shadeslayer: right, that bug is the reason then :) fwiw until recently, the Session Init didn't connect to the Session Bus at all since it has a private socket anyway.
[13:45] <shadeslayer> huh,weird, I did have a com.ubuntu.Upstart interface at some point and it did work :)
[13:45] <shadeslayer> tested it quite a bit
[13:45] <shadeslayer> ah well, /me will wait for fix to land
[13:46] <jodh> shadeslayer: it works as expected until the Session Init is restarted. This happens automatically on Ubuntu if the upstart package gets upgraded (or any of its dependencies; libc, libnih, etc).
[13:47] <shadeslayer> ahhh
[13:57] <jodh> shadeslayer: there is a work-around: run "initctl notify-dbus-address $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS" as required and the Session Init will reconnect to the Session Bus.
[14:02] <shadeslayer> thx, that does work


[15:02] <amsb> howdy folks, I'm having trouble with adding an openVPN connection from a config file. The option to "import saved configuration" is missing from the Edit Connections dialog. IIRC, I need to install a plugin to get that to show up, but I'm having trouble determining which one...
[15:11] <amsb> Nevermind folks, I found it. Just needed to install network-manager-openvpn package and logout and log back in Thanks anyway!
[15:18] <aaadsfasd> hello
[15:19] <diogenes_> !hello
[20:16] <xu-help68w> Hi there folks. I've got a 500GB Samsung 850 EVO SSD that I've reduced down to 450GB (NTFS) and 50GB (unallocated). I'm trying to install Xubuntu on the 50GB unallocated space but I can't really figure out how to do it. The NTFS partition doesn't have a windows install, just games & movies etc.
[20:19] <diogenes_> xu-help68w, select the unallocated space and click on +.
[20:19] <diogenes_> filesystem: ext4, mountpoint: /
[20:20] <diogenes_> that's it (if your system is uefi then you need 2 partitions).
[20:21] <xu-help68w> I tried to do something similar to that but it told me I hadn't defined a root something or other - sorry I can't be of more help I'm on Windows atm
[20:22] <xu-help68w> I read somewhere that having Windows fast-boot enabled might be what's breaking it. I created several partitions - /, /home, & a linux swap but they threw up an error too.
[20:30] <xu-irc79w> Hi there folks, I was here a few seconds ago on Windows, I'm now on the installer screen for Xubuntu. I've assigned a 50GB (unallocated) partition on my SSD as "/" but whenever I click 'Install Now' I get the following error;
[20:31] <xu-irc79w> The attempt to mount a file system with type vfat in SCSI4 (0,0,0), partition 1 (sdc) at /boot/efi failed.
[20:32] <diogenes_> xu-irc79w, ok now do this:
[20:34] <diogenes_> 1) choose that space, click + then make a partition: size 100Mb, filesystem: vfat mountpoint: /boot/efi (or EFI partition)
[20:35] <diogenes_> 2) after that the remaining space click +, filesystem: ext4, mountpoint: /
[20:35] <diogenes_> install
[20:39] <xu-irc79w> diogenes_ I can't find vfat under the "Use as:" tab on the create partition screen of the installer.
[20:39] <xu-irc79w> I can see FAT16 and FAT32 though.
[20:40] <coconut> vfat=fat32
[20:40] <diogenes_> fat32
[20:40] <coconut> afaik
[20:40] <diogenes_> yes
[20:41] <xu-irc79w> gotcha
[20:44] <xu-irc79w> Alright, now I get the message "Two file systems are assigned the same mount point (/boot/efi): SCSI4 (0,0,0), partition 1 (sdc) and SCSI4 (0,0,0), partition 3 (sdc).
[20:44] <xu-irc79w> Please correct this by changing mount points.
[20:45] <xu-irc79w> https://i.imgur.com/pRN1VEi.png
[20:46] <diogenes_> xu-irc79w, click on /dev/sdc1
[20:46] <diogenes_> edit
[20:47] <diogenes_> and choose no mountpoint.
[20:47] <xu-irc79w> If I select sdc1, when I click change I can only select what to use it as
[20:47] <xu-irc79w> Should I choose do not use partition?
[20:48] <diogenes_> yes
[20:48]  * diogenes_ forgot the options names )
[20:49] <xu-irc79w> Now it says "No EFI System Partition was found. This system will likely not be able to boot successfully, and the installation process may fail. Please go back and add an EFI System Partition, or continue at your own risk."
[20:50] <diogenes_> screen.
[20:50] <xu-irc79w> 2 secs
[20:50] <xu-irc79w> https://imgur.com/vCvXS9u.png
[20:53] <diogenes_> hmm ok then remove /dev/sdc3 and /dev/sdc4, create only 1 partition /dev/sdc3 ext4 / and click on /dev/sdc1 use as: EFI
[20:56] <xu-irc79w> It worked! It's installing as normal now. Tysm diogenes_
[20:57] <diogenes_> xu-irc79w, glad to help, you're welcome :)