[00:07] <DJRWolf> anyone know how to reinstall nvidia drivers from command prompt?
[00:12] <SaberX01> DJRWolf, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[00:12] <ScottJensen> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual
[00:25] <DJRWolf> SaberX01 thanks
[00:26] <JohnnyL> what the sidebar icon thing called and how to I program it?
[00:28] <esde> unity
[00:31] <JohnnyL> hm ok
[00:31] <JohnnyL> thanks esde.
[00:32] <JohnnyL> my icon doesn't show up in the side when i start a program from a link.
[00:43] <Physicist> Greetings..
[00:44] <Physicist> How can i conect with a smart tv from ubuntu without use any cable?
[00:44] <blizblaze> .
[00:44] <Luyin> how do I find out in which way my network printer is connected, SMB CIFS or IPP?
[00:45] <airtonix> Physicist: i don't think ubuntu has support for WiDi yet
[00:46] <dipedup0> Mythtv
[00:46] <dipedup0> Mythtv will work
[00:47] <dipedup0> If the TV has an app for mythtv. Dlna also
[00:47] <Beldar> Physicist, I used as mini server for this and wifi, but I forget the server, info on the web, did not work really well, depends on what you want.
[00:47] <airtonix> dipedup0: that's nice, but can you back up that claim with a link that mythtv magically brings in support for WiDi (Wireless Display) ?
[00:48] <Physicist> Beldar: I would like to play a movie and send to my smart tv..
[00:48] <airtonix> dipedup0: or did you miss that part where Physicist said "...without use any cables"
[00:49] <airtonix> Physicist: does your TV support miracast or WiDi ?
[00:49] <Physicist> airtonix: I don't know.
[00:49] <Beldar> Physicist, I will look on the web for you, I believe there was a limitation to data speed transfer. My lap top has no hdmi so I just have a long usb cord.
[00:49] <airtonix> Physicist: you need to find that out first. because they are not the same thing.
[00:50] <airtonix> Physicist: remember you said "without use any cables" meaning you want to send the data wirelessly.
[00:51] <dipedup0> Most smart TVs have dlna  clients and Ubuntu has dlna servers. Mythtv also has DN
[00:51] <dipedup0> Most smart TVs have dlna  clients and Ubuntu has dlna servers. Mythtv also has DLNA server
[00:51] <Physicist> airtonix: Exactly. I have the cables but I do not want use than.
[00:51] <airtonix> dipedup0: which means nothing if you have to connect to it via a cable.
[00:51] <Physicist> *then
[00:51] <compdoc> dipedup0, is there a free service for tv guide info?
[00:52] <airtonix> dipedup0: the fact that a TV or a media device might have support for DLNA has nothing to do with it's supposed capability to wirelessly send data back and forth.
[00:52] <Physicist> I can connect with an Android device easily..
[00:53] <dipedup0> UPNP also known as DLNA
[00:53] <airtonix> Physicist: you still need to work out if it's miracast or WiDi. Android will have apps that do both. (you've not said which app your using)
[00:53] <Physicist> Beldar: I appreciate.
[00:53] <airtonix> dipedup0: your point is? upnp doesn't have anything to do with miracast or widi either.
[00:54] <Physicist> airtonix: AllShare. Its a galaxy s3 software.
[00:54] <Beldar> Physicist, I think if you have hdmi output on the computer I would hard plug it, however this thread mentions several media servers, Physicist
[00:54] <airtonix> Physicist: again. find out if it's WiDi or Miracast.
[00:55] <joebobjoe> Does anyone have any idea when VirtualBox will support Mir/Wayland?
[00:55] <Beldar> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2080727   Physicist hehe
[00:55] <airtonix> Beldar: those all require using cables.
[00:56] <airtonix> Physicist: my point is going end up being this: ubuntu doesn't have support for WiDi or Miracast yet.
[00:56] <daftykins> joebobjoe: virtualbox channel people might know
[00:56] <Beldar> airtonix, what all do?
[00:56] <DarkSector> What's a good Desktop environment to run on 512 MB RAM?
[00:56] <DarkSector> Unity seems very laggy
[00:56] <airtonix> Physicist: Android has it because they already worked out the licensing issues.
[00:56] <dipedup0> Physicist: see if you have mythtv front end app on tv
[00:56] <Physicist> airtonix: Ok. I'm reading about Beldar 's tip.
[00:57] <daftykins> DarkSector: on that much RAM i don't think you'll be running much of anything
[00:57] <airtonix> Beldar: Physicist was asking "how to connect ubuntu to a smart tv ***without cables*** "
[00:57] <Beldar> airtonix, I have a nexus 7 I'm familiar.
[00:57] <airtonix> Beldar: which means : Widi or MiraCast.
[00:57] <SaberX01> DarkSector, Xfce, Xubuntu, LDXE works ok on mt Dell D400 .. but Xubuntu seems a bit smoother.
[00:58] <DarkSector> What about a window manager
[00:58] <Beldar> airtonix, Hmm I used several mini media servers on my brand new samsung on wifi, not sure if we are detailing this enough to really try some pointless argument
[00:59] <SaberX01> DarkSector, what do you me, what about it?
[00:59] <SaberX01> *mean
[00:59] <airtonix> Beldar: pointless?
[00:59] <JohnnyL> Hm, I'm getting Glib errors if I try to change Unity icon in gksu nautilus /usr/share/applications
[01:00] <airtonix> Beldar: it's like someone asking how do I print a page, and someone else suggesting they install gimp.
[01:00] <DarkSector> SaberX01 something like flux box or MWM
[01:00] <Beldar> airtonix, The link I gave have both ethernet wifi apps suggested on this exact description some on wired.
[01:00] <DarkSector> dipedup0 supp bro?
[01:00] <airtonix> Beldar: dlna, upnp have nothing to do with wireless transmission of display
[01:00] <airtonix> Physicist: Beldar, dipedup0 http://askubuntu.com/questions/318298/ubuntu-as-miracast-sender-receiver
[01:01] <DarkSector> dipedup0 you okay bro?
[01:01] <SaberX01> DarkSector, I used the default when installing xubuntu-desktop .. dont even know what it is off top of my head.
[01:01] <JohnnyL> Feelin' the burn Bra.
[01:01] <DarkSector> SaberX01 I think you don't need a DE for a window manager
[01:01] <JohnnyL> You have to feel the burn bra.
[01:02] <Physicist> Beldar, airtonix, I have to install independent software in the TV and i really do not want to do that. I realize that is much better option a hdmi cable. I'm sure the lost of quality is practically null.
[01:02] <SaberX01> DarkSector, I installed Xubuntu from scratch on that Laptop, then added Lubuntu later one, Xubuntu is a bit snappier.
[01:02] <DarkSector> Okay thanks
[01:02] <DarkSector> dipedup0 http://askubuntu.com/questions/318298/ubuntu-as-miracast-sender-receiver
[01:03] <SaberX01> DarkSector, is only 1.3Ghz 512mb RAM and like a 14" XGA display
[01:03] <dipedup0> Physicist: better off paying for a good android TV box
[01:03] <airtonix> Physicist: personaly until ubuntu supports WiDI (seriously miracast can go leap off a bridge), i hook up a tf101 via mini hdmi and install xbmc on that
[01:04] <SunMoonStar1> I set up a simple HTTP server on my localhost:8000 but I want others to be able to see it (public). I was told at #python to come here because it's an OS question
[01:05] <DarkSector> SunMoonStar1 Apache
[01:05] <DarkSector> or Nginx
[01:05] <SunMoonStar1> It is python using `python -m SimpleHTTPServer`
[01:06] <Physicist> Ok. Thank you all. I'm watching Batman now through hdmi cable. Good night of Christmas.
[01:06] <airtonix> SunMoonStar1: 1. you need both nginx and uWsgi 2. #ubuntu-server
[01:06] <DarkSector> SunMoonStar1 when you say public, you mean over internet?
[01:06] <DarkSector> or localhost?
[01:06] <DarkSector> I mean local network?
[01:06] <SunMoonStar1> yes, over the internet
[01:06] <DarkSector> Yeah you need nginx or apache
[01:07] <SunMoonStar1> Even if I"m using python SimpleHTTPServer ?
[01:07] <dipedup0> SunMoonStar1: open ports.
[01:07] <SaberX01> Anyone on the local LAN can already see it by the IP address, but outside the LAN is a whole differetn issue.
[01:07] <Aqua_Reef> SunMoonStar1: That's a network question.
[01:08] <airtonix> SunMoonStar1: in production you never use simple server. ever!.
[01:08] <munz> SunMoonStar1: can u see @ <IP_ADDRESS>:8000 ?
[01:08] <Aqua_Reef> SunMoonStar1: Please divert to your router channel #cisco
[01:08] <dipedup0> SunMoonStar1: Google myip what's your public IP.
[01:08] <munz> * http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000
[01:08] <hitsujiTMO> anyone know where the available xsessions are defined?
[01:08] <SaberX01> You need some kind of DNS record, and a whole in the router to allow traffic to and from the web-server
[01:08] <claudio_> Alguem aqui fala portugues?
[01:09] <DarkSector> SunMoonStar1 can do what dipedup0 said, or you could use something like nginx or apache with a static ip from your service provider.
[01:09] <dipedup0> SunMoonStar1: that's your local IP. We need your public ip
[01:09] <Aqua_Reef> SunMoonStar1: Please divert to your router channel #cisco
[01:09] <petris> Ho Ho Ho! Merry Christmas!
[01:09] <SaberX01> !pt | claudio_
[01:09] <hitsujiTMO> ahh, usr/share/xsessions ... easy enough find :P
[01:18] <DarkSector> Thanks guys, you've been a hoot
[01:18] <Hydr0p0nX> anyone able to help me get my sound working through hdmi ?
[01:18] <Hydr0p0nX> nvidia HDMI adapter, mcp78s
[01:25] <ChronicMasterBai> Hey
[01:26] <ChronicMasterBai> Ill be back soon to chat with you guys, was just testing
[01:30] <iFlip> Does anyone know a terminal command in Ubuntu that will show what files someone is downloaded from my Apache2 WebDAV server?
[01:30] <turtlesoup> I have been struggling with getting alsa to produce sounds. I have recently uninstalled it, then re installed it, then forced a reload. Then a reboot. still no sound.
[01:31] <turtlesoup> Any advice to get sounds out of my ubuntu?
[01:39] <hitsujiTMO> turtlesoup: do you get anything from: speaker-test -c 2
[01:39] <SchrodingersScat> iFlip: cat /var/log/apache2/access.log
[01:40] <kingbeast> turtlesoup, try doing alsamixer in the terminal and make sure everything is unmuted
[01:40] <SchrodingersScat> iFlip: cat /var/log/apache2/access.log | more # can pipe it so that you can work with it, but that's the log file, you can also check out the other log files, say if they are having trouble getting to a file.
[01:41] <colbyo> anyone in here familiar with LVM and disabling a USB stick keyfile?
[01:47] <CGI401> New ubuntu user question .. what is the linux "equivalent" of Windows' "Program Files" folder?  If there is one.  In other words, where's the typical place that new installs end up?
[01:48] <ponbiki_> CGI401: i guess what you're looking for is /bin
[01:48] <ponbiki_> or /sbin
[01:48] <ponbiki_> yadda yadda
[01:48] <ponbiki_> it's not quite the same though
[01:48] <zykotick9> CGI401: it's not so simple.  you can use "dpkg -L foo" to see where files get installed
[01:49] <CGI401> Well, i'm not searching for something.. I'm reading install instructions and it says to "install wherever you want" and i dont want to make a mess of my installation.
[01:49] <LjuL> if you're installing something that way, you're making a mess by definition :P
[01:49] <daftykins> CGI401: there's no one path for programs, simply put.
[01:50] <airtonix> CGI401: depends what it is. usually system wide user installed stuff goes in /opt/NameOfProgramHere/
[01:50] <CGI401> ok
[01:50] <airtonix> CGI401: and then it's best to make a system user just for that program to keep it isolated.
[01:51] <CGI401> ok let me not be so vague.  I am installing Couch Potato from source .. see this link https://couchpota.to/#linux   .. where would be a good place to put that?
[01:52] <airtonix> CGI401: there is instructions around that show you "Best Practice" way to install couch potatoe
[01:52] <SchrodingersScat> CGI401: did you see the last LAS?
[01:52] <CGI401> LAS?
[01:53] <airtonix> CGI401: and it follows the general pattern i just mentioned. 1. create system user that has no login ability and has it's home folder in  /opt/CouchPotatoe/  2.  use that user to install couchpotatoe 3. setup /etc/init/couchpotatoe.conf to run couchpotatoe as that user
[01:54] <airtonix> CGI401: and since CouchPotato is a python application, you'll want to use virtualenv to ensure it doesn't conflict with your system python libs
[01:54] <CGI401> hm interesting.  you lost me on that last part but i'll look it up .. thank you
[01:55] <airtonix> CGI401: it's generally not required, but definitely gives you piece of mind that updating system python won't break couchpotatoe
[01:56] <airtonix> CGI401: once you have couchpotato installed, then it will auto update itself using git
[01:56] <CGI401> great, thanks
[01:57] <CGI401> I'm having a lot of fun learning linux/ubuntu.. i've tried many times and failed because I was just reading tutorials.  built a new HTPC and forced myself to build it on linux .. and i've had to learn the hard way how to do things, and things are finally starting to stick
[01:58] <Nach0z> asdf
[01:58] <Nach0z> why so much potato
[01:58] <CGI401> do not question the potato
[01:58] <airtonix> CGI401: cool, but one thing that you should keep in the back of your mind is that most instructions shown how to install something (those couchpotato ones for example) are not generally the best way. They are quick dirty ways to get you introduced to the software.
[01:59] <CGI401> airtonix: where should i turn then?
[01:59] <airtonix> minimum required steps to get you invested
[02:00] <airtonix> CGI401: first I'd learn how to make upstart jobs (they are in the end a lot simpler than init.d), then I'd learn about installing daemons manually. best practices relating to security and so forth. finally i'd invest some serious time into configuration automation tools like ansible
[02:01] <airtonix> because manually installing stuff for the 465th time is boring
[02:02] <CGI401> heh so far my only experience with /init.d has been stop/start/restart
[02:03] <CGI401> so anything simpler than that is like.. not doing anything at all
[02:03] <airtonix> init.d jobs are pretty much bash scripts. so they have lots of room for failure
[02:04] <airtonix> upstart has a domain specific language, which greatly simplfies things and reduces the room for failure
[02:04] <airtonix> and when i say "failure" i mean errors you introduce as the developer of the job
[02:05] <CGI401> question.. if you don't mind.  can you give me the most basic, dumbed down description of what Screen is?  I keep hearing about it but I don't really understand
[02:06] <airtonix> CGI401: its like virtual desktops for the terminal
[02:06] <airtonix> combined with remote desktop or vnc
[02:06] <airtonix> but of course devoid of any vga type graphics.
[02:08] <CGI401> ok that makes sense
[02:08] <airtonix> CGI401: yeah it's great for keeping multiple tail -f /var/some/log running on a remote machine
[02:10] <CGI401> multiple tail meaning the logs run simultaneously on the same terminal screen?
[02:12] <airtonix> CGI401: yep, but you can switch between the screens just like you can on a gnome desktop with ctrl + alt+ up/down
[02:12] <CGI401> oh nice
[02:12] <SchrodingersScat> CGI401: screen is nice
[02:13] <airtonix> CGI401: but you use ctrl + a + n/p (next/previous)
[02:13] <airtonix> CGI401: actually it's not a simulanous key combo, more of a successive combo
[02:14] <airtonix> CGI401: there is also something called byobu which has a nicer interface with useful data
[02:15] <SchrodingersScat> CGI401: You can split up your window as well, so you can have htop on top of a log or something. http://aperiodic.net/screen/quick_reference
[02:15] <airtonix> CGI401: this is the general approach to how i setup "install it yourself" python/ruby/nodejs daemons/web apps: https://gist.github.com/airtonix/8119646
[02:16] <CGI401> I should have come here sooner
[02:16] <CGI401> so much good info, thank you guys
[02:17] <CGI401> I've read about that .. creating a system user to run applications .. but I kind of ignored it because it was just adding more confusion to things
[02:21] <binaryhat> im getting this--->http://pastebin.com/0DdMCbYB
[02:21] <CGI401> so based on your mini tutorial you posted.. I could have done the same thing with my Teamspeak3 server - create a TS3 user, and make it the owner of its own directory
[02:21] <uBUXUBu> ok skype stuck to my launcher this time
[02:21] <uBUXUBu> im running out of room now on my launcher... can i get 2 launchers?
[02:22] <DaemonicApathy> uBUXUBu: The default launcher, or a launcher program?
[02:22] <uBUXUBu> maybe if the launcher was across the bottom of my widescreen it would be longer thus hold more icons?
[02:23] <tnwnsf> which is better interms of artwork and overall beauty xubuntu or ubuntu  ?
[02:23] <SchrodingersScat> !poll | tnwnsf
[02:23] <uBUXUBu> ubuntu with some kubuntu apps seems best
[02:23] <tnwnsf> and a more coherent and intergrated interface ?
[02:24] <DaemonicApathy> uBUXUBu: In that case, the only way to get multiple/custom-positioned launchers would be to install something like docky or cairo-dock
[02:24] <uBUXUBu> ah ok
[02:24] <uBUXUBu> so i cant move the launcher to the bottom of my widescreen?
[02:24] <DaemonicApathy> Of course, you could also just scroll the one you have.
[02:24] <DaemonicApathy> No, that feature was specifically avoided.
[02:24] <uBUXUBu> didint know u could scroll it
[02:25] <uBUXUBu> so ur saying i can add more icons they just will be hidden till i scroll it?
[02:25] <DaemonicApathy> Mmhmm.
[02:25] <uBUXUBu> well thats pretty cool
[02:25] <DaemonicApathy> They'll fold at the top and bottom.
[02:25] <uBUXUBu> but i prefer too see my icons especially if the artwork is good
[02:25] <tnwnsf> SchrodingersScat, does xubuntu and ubuntu use the same artwork and fonts ?
[02:26] <uBUXUBu> oh fold that sounds interesting
[02:26] <tnwnsf> because debian xfce is UGLY
[02:26] <DaemonicApathy> uBUXUBu: Now that you know your options, feel free to play around with it.
[02:27] <uBUXUBu> well i guess ill just keep adding icons and then it will all happen right?
[02:28] <uBUXUBu> im full so as soon as i find one more that i need ill try it
[02:28] <uBUXUBu> is the ubuntu 1 cloud free?
[02:29] <esde> is this the easiest way to backup 12.04 desktop and restore it to a fresh, updated, 12.04 install for an experience like "nothing ever happened?"?
[02:29] <uBUXUBu> ok i see 5 gb free cool
[02:31] <uBUXUBu> im just really getting into 1204 it just seems so well done
[02:32] <DaemonicApathy> esde: What is "this"?
[02:32] <esde> oooops
[02:33] <esde> forgot link http://askubuntu.com/questions/378495/restore-with-back-in-time-after-fresh-install-of-ubuntu
[02:33] <esde> :|
[02:33] <SonikkuAmerica> tnwnsf: Xubuntu has its own artwork.
[02:33] <kungr> i like 12.04 as well, i like it with Gnome Shell even better
[02:33] <SonikkuAmerica> kungr: For most of my 12.04 days I used GNOME Classic.
[02:34] <uBUXUBu> lotta ppl like gnome ...i liked it but from the moment i saw unity i loved it
[02:34] <DaemonicApathy> esde: Seems like it.
[02:34] <nictrasavios> uBUXUBu, Amen brotha!
[02:34] <esde> Thanks
[02:34] <DaemonicApathy> I would assume some settings need to be retweaked, though.
[02:35] <SonikkuAmerica> !gnome | Speaking of GNOME
[02:35] <esde> DaemonicApathy, @me?
[02:35] <DaemonicApathy> esde: Yes.
[02:35] <nictrasavios> see | !ubuntu-gnome
[02:36] <RocketPenguin123> Alright, so i have moved a partition from one hard drive to another, how do i make it so it will boot correctly?
[02:36] <esde> like what would need to change? is there an existing guide that covers what im trying to achieve you could point me to
[02:36] <nictrasavios> !ubuntu-gnome | see
[02:36] <DaemonicApathy> RocketPenguin123: Install grub.
[02:36] <nictrasavios> Whoops... sometimes my brain is on backwards. It makes parking difficult.
[02:36] <kungr> SonikkuAmerica: Ya I liked classic from 7.04 through 10.04. Shell grows on you.
[02:36] <batzy> hey guys i plugging in an external hdmi monitor into my xubuntu box, and set the default monitor to it.  But now when i log in it gets stuck at the login screen and wont load the xfce session
[02:37] <RocketPenguin123> DaemonicApathy,  How, exactly? sudo apt-get install grub?
[02:37] <SonikkuAmerica> kungr: But I'm a GNOME'er now.
[02:37] <batzy> Is there anyway i could set it back to the default screen?
[02:37] <DaemonicApathy> RocketPenguin123: grub-install /dev/sda(or whatever it happens to be)
[02:38] <RocketPenguin123> k thanks!
[02:38] <DaemonicApathy> np
[02:38] <RocketPenguin123> What if i have multipule partitions though?
[02:38] <DaemonicApathy> What OS are they?
[02:38] <batzy> hey guys i plugging in an external hdmi monitor into my xubuntu box, and set the default monitor to it.  But now when i log in it gets stuck at the login screen and wont load the xfce session
[02:39] <SonikkuAmerica> batzy: Have you tried in #xubuntu ?
[02:39] <nictrasavios> I have to say, from the perspective of a programmer and Engineering/Physics student, Ubuntu is the only distribution I could think of using due to the repos and support. Unity is a wonderful desktop environment, and the window handling is by far its best part. The only thing I would ever change *for myself* is to put the bar on the bottom, and change the icons to text. Keep the window handling the same, the excellent visual cues the sam
[02:39] <nictrasavios> e, and the amazing menus the same.
[02:39] <batzy> SonikkuAmerica: yeah no one is there they said ask here
[02:39] <DaemonicApathy> nictrasavios: You can disable Unity and use a different dock if you like.
[02:40] <nictrasavios> DaemonicApathy, Lemme finish ;)
[02:40] <DaemonicApathy> nictrasavios: Of course, that will negate several nice features.
[02:40] <airtonix> CGI401: yep, then in your init.d or init up start job, when you launch the software you use the user create specifically for that daemon rather than just use root or (even worse) use your desktop user.
[02:40] <batzy> SonikkuAmerica: I can login with the guest account too
[02:40] <batzy> i think it just set that one users default monitor as the external
[02:40] <kungr> nictrasavios: you tried shell?
[02:41] <nictrasavios> So I did just that, by switching to cinnamon and writing my own extensions. Now it works with multiple monitors... and retains all the things I liked from unity. But for *everyone* else, I always always always reccomend unity.
[02:41] <airtonix> CGI401: it's really a preventative measure to limit possible damage in future. if you limit what that daemons user has access to then you can sort of control how much damage it could possibly do.
[02:41] <CGI401> airtonix: so.. sorry if this is way off .. but instead of "sudo somethingsomethingsomething", I'd type "couchpotato somethingsomethingsomething" ?
[02:42] <nictrasavios> kungr, Yup, worked well. Not better than cinnamon, but it definitely was nice. In the end, reliability and stability brought me to Ubuntu with Cinnamon. Although, I use unity occasionally for showcasing Ubuntu to others.
[02:42] <airtonix> CGI401: well since the root user is the one that's executing the upstart or init.d jobs you'd leave off sudo and use su. let me past from a live example from one of my servers.
[02:44] <kungr> nictrasavios: really never tried cinnamon. admittedly im a home user and not work related. did you use cinnamon on ubuntu or another distro?
[02:45] <nictrasavios> kungr, Before we get yelled at for being off topic, I'll PM you.
[02:46] <bobbycheetah> trying to boot from dvd and all that comes up is what looks like a keyboard icon + a person icon, and it just sits there.
[02:46] <airtonix> CGI401: well actually the couchpotato repo has the init.d job you want to use : https://github.com/RuudBurger/CouchPotatoServer/blob/master/init/ubuntu
[02:47] <nictrasavios> In case you're not sure, to reply type "/msg nictrasavios ...."
[02:47] <airtonix> CGI401: notice line 47: https://github.com/RuudBurger/CouchPotatoServer/blob/master/init/ubuntu#L47
[02:47] <CGI401> airtonix: ahh i see
[02:48] <airtonix> CGI401: so using that you'd create /etc/default/couchpotato and override those variables there.
[02:48] <bobbycheetah> 13.10 ubuntu-gnome amd 64
[02:49] <ObrienDave> bobbycheetah, a small one at the bottom?
[02:49] <CGI401> why /etc/default? this is the kind of thing that throws me off .. I guess I just need to learn the purpose of the directories
[02:49] <Guest33983> where did they hide the shortcut ctrl+alt+backspace to restart the x server option again?
[02:50] <bobbycheetah> yes at bottom of screen.  currently i'm on my imac and burning a dvd for 12.04.3 desktop amd 64 so i can try that next.
[02:50] <gordonjcp> Guest33983: it's still there, you need to re-enable it in the x.org config file though
[02:51] <gordonjcp> Guest33983: it's almost never useful
[02:51] <ObrienDave> bobbycheetah, could be a bad D/L. did you check the MD5 sum?
[02:51] <airtonix> CGI401: /etc/default is the directory where you generally keep configuration defaults.
[02:51] <Guest33983> would you know what directory that is in?
[02:51] <bobbycheetah> would be nice if my 4Gb thumb-drive would work.  I've been trying to use netbootin, but it never recognized it.
[02:51] <CGI401> airtonix:oh i see.  so.. comparing to windows, that would kind of be like .. the %appdata% directory
[02:51] <bobbycheetah> yes i've checked but will check again
[02:52] <airtonix> CGI401: because some daemons will allow you to run multiple processes which take their settings from something like /etc/programname/child.conf
[02:52] <airtonix> CGI401: isn't %appdata% just users settings?
[02:52] <CGI401> airtonix: right.. guess that wouldn't be defaults.  depends on if its installed for a specific user or all users
[02:53] <airtonix> CGI401: /etc/default is like "sane defaults, use these settings if there is no system operator defined overrides in /etc/whatever/"
[02:53] <CGI401> got it
[02:54] <airtonix> CGI401: just remember though that there is no magic. the use of /etc/default/something and /etc/programname/something/something/something/darkside is just a protocol on how to lay out configuration files
[02:55] <airtonix> CGI401: i would have a look at how virtual hosts work in nginx and apache with their /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/* and /etc/nginx/sites-available/* and then look at /etc/default/apache2
[02:55] <airtonix> CGI401: nginx and apache2 on ubuntu generally follow the same configuration setup
[02:55] <CGI401> airtonix: got it.  so.. one last question I think, and then i'll leave you alone.  :)  the use of couch potato requires another application in order to function .. utorrent, transmission, etc.   would I create a system user for those as well, or would I give the couchpotato user ownership of it?
[02:56] <airtonix> CGI401: yeah you use sabnzbd which allows communication through a RESTful api (confgi gui in couchpotato lets you put the api keys in there)
[02:56] <airtonix> CGI401: and yes , you sandbox setup sabnzbd the same way you'd do with couchpotato
[02:57] <CGI401> airtonix: well I'm not using usenet, don't subscribe anymore.. but for conversation's sake.. I would create a sabnzbd user?
[02:57] <Nach0z> I dunno what couch potato is but I am learning to despise it
[02:58] <airtonix> CGI401: yeah. but what you call it is up to you :) i think couchpotato communicates with transmission as well ?
[02:58] <CGI401> airtonix: yep
[02:59] <glitsj16> bobbycheetah: if unetbootin doesn't work for you, perhaps you can try a native OS X approach .. http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx
[02:59] <CGI401> airtonix: i was initially confused how couchpotato would communicate with sabnzbd if they are each on their own user accounts, but I guess it's probably communicating over a web interface which sabnzbd exposes
[03:00] <bobbycheetah> will check that out. thx.
[03:00] <airtonix> CGI401: yep a restful api endpoint
[03:00] <CGI401> airtonix: oh, so that's what you meant lol
[03:01] <CGI401> airtonix: thanks so much for all the help.  I think I'm comfortable going from here
[03:01] <airtonix> CGI401: http://wiki.sabnzbd.org/api
[03:01] <airtonix> CGI401: good luck
[03:03] <Noiro> sudo apt-get purge programname is the uninstall command, yes?
[03:03] <airtonix> Noiro: it's a bit more than just uninstall.
[03:03] <airtonix> Noiro: that will also destroy any config files
[03:09] <CGI401> does cp command overwrite without asking?
[03:10] <SchrodingersScat> CGI401: last I checked
[03:10] <CGI401> crap
[03:10] <glitsj16> CGI401: use the -i switch with cp to make it prompt you
[03:11] <CGI401> now to figure out how to undo what i just did ..
[03:11] <Hydr0p0nX> uh oh
[03:12] <CGI401> it is ok.. I copied over a default file .. i think.  not sure if there was ever a file there or not, but something i read led me to believe there was
[03:13] <Hydr0p0nX> eh
[03:14] <Hydr0p0nX> what file and what version ?
[03:16] <CGI401> .  /etc/defaults/couchpotato/ubuntu
[03:17] <Hydr0p0nX> yea, can't help with that one
[03:17] <Hydr0p0nX> sorry
[03:17] <CGI401> np
[03:17] <CGI401> i am starting over with the git clone
[03:17] <CGI401> dunno if that will do anything but only way to find out
[03:20] <CGI401> airtonix: broke something I think
[03:21] <airtonix> CGI401: that file doesn't exist unless you create it.
[03:21] <airtonix> CGI401: and it can just be /etc/default/couchpotato if you want
[03:22] <airtonix> CGI401: since that's what the init script is looking for : https://github.com/RuudBurger/CouchPotatoServer/blob/master/init/ubuntu#L17
[03:22] <CGI401> airtonix: when you said "so using that you'd create /etc/default/couchpotato and override those variables there. " .. did you mean to copy the init.d job into that directory?  that's what i did, and when I opened it it said "do not edit this file"
[03:22] <CGI401> airtonix: so i thought maybe i overrided something
[03:23] <airtonix> CGI401: nah the init script goes to /etc/init.d/couchpotato and you create the file "/etc/default/couchpotato"
[03:24] <CGI401> airtonix: oh, so /etc/default/couchpotato stays empty until the application puts something in there?
[03:25] <zagfox> hello world
[03:25] <CGI401> hi user
[03:25] <airtonix> CGI401: https://gist.github.com/airtonix/8119934
[03:26] <airtonix> CGI401: it's for you to override the default settings that the init script would use. (normally I would be putting something like this in /etc/couchpotato since it's not going to run multiple copies of itself.)
[03:27] <CGI401> airtonix: OH.... so /etc/default/couchpotato itself is a configuration file, not a folder?
[03:28] <CGI401> this is so confusing
[03:28] <airtonix> CGI401: yeah. if you look at ilne 17 of the init script, it's also not required.
[03:28] <airtonix> line*
[03:28] <CGI401> airtonix: got it.. thank you
[03:29] <airtonix> CGI401: not sure if you already know this, but you also need to register it to the initv daemon: sudo chmod +x /etc/init.d/couchpotato && sudo update-rc.d couchpotato defaults
[03:30] <airtonix> CGI401: that will tell the initv system that it needs to run it on startup
[03:30] <CGI401> airtonix: yea that is in the instructions on CP's website.. more or less
[03:30] <CGI401> airtonix: but thanks to you i now know && i used to run two commands in one line
[03:32] <frybye> hi folks - happy christmass.. enjoye your ubuntu..
[03:35] <colbyo> I'm trying to see whats going on in my boot process, it's just stopping after the hardware check, but it's not giving me any failures or notifications. Is there a way to see more of whats going on?
[03:36] <wo0t> hi, merry xmas everyone
[03:37] <colbyo> Booting with 'debug text noplymouth'.
[03:37] <kingbeast> wo0t, merry xmas
[03:51] <bobbycheetah> glitsj16: is the "create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx"  for if I want to boot my mac with it?
[03:52] <glitsj16> bobbycheetah: it's instructions for making a bootable ubuntu live usb on a mac
[03:53] <bobbycheetah> ok.  step 9 says to run diskutil eject /dev/disk2 - but that is not mounted b/c of step 7.
[03:53] <bobbycheetah> can i just pop it out and try it on my other pc now?
[03:53] <glitsj16> let me load that page again, just a moment please
[03:53] <bobbycheetah> ok. step 8 was succesful
[03:55] <glitsj16> bobbycheetah: yes that's how i understand it, if step 8 worked basically your good to try booting it
[03:55] <bobbycheetah> ok. will give it a go. thx
[03:56] <glitsj16> bobbycheetah: fingers crossed, goodluck
[03:56] <xubuntu> nice
[03:57] <Xjdm> btw, volume is turned off by default
[03:57] <Xjdm> that and the volume widget doesnt work
[03:58] <glitsj16> Xjdm: on what version ?
[03:58] <Xjdm> the latest, v13.10
[03:58] <Xjdm> i read a review comparing performace of L, X and vanilla Ubuntu
[03:58] <CGI401> airtonix: sorry.. me again.  i ran sudo chmod +x /etc/init.d/couchpotato && sudo update-rc.d couchpotato defaults  like you (and the CP instructions) said.. and it said it was added to startup.. rebooted the server and it didn't start.  Put APP_PATH = /usr/local/couchpotato in defaults dir .. did i miss something?
[03:58] <Xjdm> so i decided to use Xubuntu
[03:58] <glitsj16> Xjdm: i believe for xubuntu 13.10 that's a known bug, let me check my bookmarks
[03:59] <glitsj16> Xjdm: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2182038&p=12822062#post12822062 might revive your broken sound indicator
[04:00] <Xjdm> the audio is also turned off by default
[04:01] <glitsj16> Xjdm: that might be related, not sure .. the indicator might be stuck in mute so once you get it back you can try unmuting
[04:02] <Xjdm> im using the live version to try it out
[04:02] <Xjdm> i like it so far, it's very fast
[04:03] <glitsj16> it sure is, always liked xubuntu, didn't install the latest yet but tested the live cd
[04:04] <glitsj16> that's how i know about the sound indicator bug
[04:05] <Xjdm> im testing memory usage and overall performance and responsiveness
[04:09] <glitsj16> the one thing i miss on live versions is a user-friendly way to activate proprietary graphics drivers too, but i guess that's wishfull thinking ..
[04:09] <DaemonicApathy> Keep in mind, live versions will always be a bit more prone to latency, due to the difference between ODD/USB/SATA HDD speeds.
[04:10] <tuxguy> How do I get virtualbox puel in 13.10 ?
[04:11] <Xjdm> this thing is running pretty quickly
[04:12] <Xjdm> going to due a bit more research first though
[04:12] <Xjdm> firefox is such a memory hog
[04:12] <Xjdm> there needs to be Firefox Lite
[04:12] <Xjdm> which is what firefox was suppose to be to begin with
[04:14] <DaemonicApathy> With each tab running as a separate process, memory usage can get pretty high.
[04:17] <Xjdm> Why does running each tab in a seperate process use more memory?
[04:17] <Xjdm> my web browser shouldnt use 1.5GB of RAM
[04:17] <Xjdm> that is insane
[04:27] <Guest21304> test
[04:27] <SchrodingersScat> Guest21304: test received
[04:27] <batzy> What a lovely username.
[04:31] <bobbycheetah> glitsj16: it worked. thx for your help!
[04:32] <such_coins> I need some urgent help copying files to a read-only flash drive. Can anyone help?
[04:32] <such_coins> oh nm
[04:32] <such_coins> got it :P
[04:33] <glitsj16> bobbycheetah: nice to hear that , enjoy the fresh system
[04:33] <such_coins> thanks anyways!
[04:33] <airtonix> CGI401: is /usr/local/couchpotato where you installed it to?
[04:34] <CGI401> airtonix: yeah .. when I try to run "service couchpotato start" it says: /etc/init.d/couchpotato: 2: /etc/default/couchpotato: APP_PATH: not found
[04:34] <airtonix> CGI401: https://github.com/RuudBurger/CouchPotatoServer/blob/master/init/ubuntu#L51
[04:34] <CGI401> airtonix: inside default/couchpotato is APP_PATH = /usr/local/couchpotato/
[04:34] <airtonix> CGI401: oops, remove the spaces
[04:34] <Mike9863> What's the best way to identify connections coming from a DoS attack on a webserver?
[04:35] <CGI401> airtonix:you mean APP_PATH=blah  instead of APP_PATH = blah ?
[04:35] <airtonix> CGI401: yeah
[04:35] <CGI401> airtonix:ohh... thanks, will try
[04:36] <airtonix> CGI401: also if you're using /etc/default/couchpotato then you want to override the second variable listed in the init script
[04:37] <airtonix> CGI401: ie : https://github.com/RuudBurger/CouchPotatoServer/blob/master/init/ubuntu#L51 << you set CP_HOME instead of APP_PATH
[04:37] <airtonix> CGI401: since it's saying " APP_PATH will be CP_HOME (if it exists) otherwise use the string "/opt/couchpotato/"
[04:38] <CGI401> airtonix: Ohh.. that explains the 2nd error I was getting then, I think
[04:38] <CGI401> start-stop-daemon: unable to chdir() to /opt/couchpotato/ (No such file or directory)
[04:39] <q_a_z_steve> Is there a way I can still get into 12.04.3 Desktop on my 2009 Macbook Pro if I'm seeing this: http://picpaste.com/Xp3XnjRM.jpg
[04:39] <q_a_z_steve> I was able to use boot options for the liveCD to see this. All I knew how to do was turn off quiet and splash...
[04:40] <airtonix> q_a_z_steve: which macbook pro? there are like 7 versions of it
[04:40] <airtonix> it's crazy
[04:40] <q_a_z_steve> airtonix: Mid 2009 15"
[04:41] <airtonix> Hey lets create a simple "not computer" and then create a bunch of difference versions of it, and then call them all the same name.... /thumbs-up
[04:41] <airtonix> q_a_z_steve: so you don't have to use uEFI then ?
[04:42] <q_a_z_steve> I don't know what that is.
[04:42] <CGI401> airtonix: yay, new error .. start-stop-daemon: unable to set gid to 999 (Operation not permitted)   .. do I need to set RUN_AS as root or something?
[04:42] <airtonix> q_a_z_steve: i was under the impression that uEFI was required. so i've always used something like refit
[04:42] <airtonix> or was it refind?
[04:42] <q_a_z_steve> to boot a liveCD?
[04:42] <airtonix> CGI401: did you chown couchpotato:couchpotato /usr/local/couchpotato -R ?
[04:43] <q_a_z_steve> I probably need some such, because I want to say even a stamped 7.10 CD I had didn't work.
[04:43] <airtonix> q_a_z_steve: have you looked at the ubuntu wiki? there are quite a few pages there about macosx
[04:44] <CGI401> airtonix:sure did
[04:44] <q_a_z_steve> I haven't because I wasn't sure where to start, with those drm lines or something else.
[04:44] <FluxD> Hi, I have been trying to install ubuntu 13.10 on an ssd with usb install nd whatever I do, it will boot back with a grub error.  Please help. grub reinstall didn't work nor did boot-repair
[04:48] <q_a_z_steve> airtonix: I did download the 64bit Mac version of the iso, if that helps.
[04:48] <airtonix> q_a_z_steve: definitely. can't do much without that. but you should read the help/wiki pages. it's been a long time since i bothered to touch a apple product.
[04:49] <q_a_z_steve> I'm looking...
[04:50] <q_a_z_steve> where can I find which number (11,1) or whatever my macbook pro is, to further align myself with how these are going to be listed?
[04:50] <airtonix> CGI401: i'm testing this out.
[04:52] <q_a_z_steve> installed OS is mavericks... I'm still not able to see anything that can even get me started.
[04:52] <CGI401> airtonix: OK.  Here's some info:  https://gist.github.com/anonymous/695be8a011e6029f37e1
[04:53] <airtonix> q_a_z_steve: i'm pretty sure the first think you need to do is get http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/ running.
[04:53] <airtonix> thing*
[04:54] <airtonix> CGI401: and output of : ls -al /usr/local/couchpotato
[04:55] <q_a_z_steve> I have had rEFIt before, I'm remembering, but I have since wiped my harddrive. I assume it went with.
[04:55] <CGI401> airtonix: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6f1da8779e277603dc1f
[05:01] <q_a_z_steve> airtonix: 5,3 That's what I have. Are there sites that explain when EFI comes into existence/necessity? Which determines that, the hardware, or the software I'm trying to boot?
[05:02] <airtonix> CGI401: https://gist.github.com/airtonix/8119934
[05:02] <airtonix> CGI401: looks like you need to move files up a level
[05:05] <BackTrack_r5> php5-curl: Depends: php5-common (= 5.3.2-1ubuntu4.9) but 5.3.2-1ubuntu4.17 is to be installed
[05:05] <BackTrack_r5> im running backtrack, how can i update php5-common to 5.3.2
[05:06] <CGI401> airtonix: just to be clear, are you asking me to go through each of those steps? including placing it in /opt/?
[05:06] <bazhang> !backtrack | BackTrack_r5
[05:06] <BackTrack_r5> hmmmmm
[05:06] <BackTrack_r5> what are you saying?
[05:06] <q_a_z_steve> airtonix: I should mention that on the 7.10 CD no matter whether I remove quiet and splash I immediately get kicked out to BusyBox.
[05:07] <airtonix> CGI401: no, it's just there to show you what you've done different. the main thing is that you have /usr/local/couchpotato/CouchPotato/couchpotato.py when it should just be /usr/local/couchpotato/couchpotato.py
[05:08] <airtonix> CGI401: also github just ate my gist. :<
[05:09] <CGI401> airtonix: actually, it's /usr/local/couchpotato/CouchPotatoServer/couchpotato.py .. the CouchPotatoServer directory is included in the git
[05:09] <spvensko> merry christmas
[05:09] <airtonix> CGI401: nope. that what git does if you don't provide a destination.
[05:10] <CGI401> airtonix: oooooh well that explains it.  that's what CP's website says in the instructions... no destination https://couchpota.to/#linux
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> merry xmass: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6628415/
[05:10] <CGI401> airtonix: that was the first thing I did before I came on IRC.. so that explains a lot
[05:11] <airtonix> you could just change the CP_HOME to point at the folder that holds couchpotato.py
[05:15] <liulei> m
[05:16] <BackTrack_r5> so is kali-linux the backtrack replacement?
[05:16] <CGI401> airtonix: nope.. still same thing.  https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c4dabf84dd4af1484cd7
[05:16] <Apollo> anyone have some good recommendations on tutorials for the terminal?
[05:16] <Apollo> i think i found a list somewhere on the ubuntu site but it is numerous.
[05:17] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal Apollo
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> !kali | BackTrack_r5
[05:19] <Apollo> so is the ubuntu site pretty much the best source for learning the terminal then?
[05:19] <Apollo> i guess so, i wish i could find that link to a bunch of tutorials though damn
[05:20] <DaemonicApathy> This one?: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[05:20] <bazhang> !rute | Apollo there's this
[05:21] <bazhang> !manual | Apollo and this
[05:22] <bazhang> Apollo, for bash scripting, there's http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[05:22] <bazhang> and freenode has a channel #bash as well
[05:24] <CGI401> airtonix: might have gotten it.  i added CP_USER=couchpotato in the /etc/default/couchpotato, then ran "sudo service couchpotato start" and it took. even though CP_USER was set to couchpotato in the init.d file
[05:24] <airtonix> CGI401: https://gist.github.com/airtonix/8120365
[05:25] <airtonix> CGI401: i think your start-stop error is related to something else
[05:25] <CGI401> airtonix: it worked!  rebooted server and it started.
[05:25] <Rourick> hello :)
[05:26] <Rourick> new user here would u recommend 12.04lts  or 13.10?
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> Rourick: i would go for the 12.04 lts
[05:26] <airtonix> CGI401: can you access it via browser: http://servier.ip.or.name.local:5050/
[05:27] <Rourick> hey thanks will do
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> Rourick: depends on your needs of course, lts will be 5 years support
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> Rourick: and soon you will be able to upgrade to 14.04
[05:27] <DaemonicApathy> 12.04 will be supported longer, and require less upkeep. 13.10 will have newer features, and lead you into the next version, which will also be LTS. Personally, I'd go with 12.04 for now.
[05:27] <Rourick> ok ty
[05:28] <uBUXUBu> how do i reset my top panel i cant get at my power off icon top right anymore?
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> Rourick: and welcome to the ubuntu community!
[05:28] <CGI401> airtonix: yea, web interface worked after server reboot
[05:28] <airtonix> CGI401: actually i can't remember which port it is
[05:28] <Rourick> :)
[05:29] <uBUXUBu> there used to be a terminal command to rest the panels
[05:29] <uBUXUBu> cant recall it
[05:29] <CGI401> airtonix: for some strange reason, it required me to have CP_USER=couchpotato in etc/default/couchpotato  .. even though the init.d script has RUN_AS=${CP_USER-couchpotato}
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> uBUXUBu: lightdm reset maybe? not sure
[05:30] <darius93> does mariadb seem slower than mysql?
[05:30] <Apollo> DaemonicApathy, no not that tutorial, like it was a page with 20-30 or so hyperlinked pages to go to for tuts.
[05:30] <uBUXUBu> in terminal u mean?
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> Apollo: there are also good ubuntu ebooks that you can download free
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> uBUXUBu: maybe here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/125662/how-to-reset-gnome-panel
[05:32] <uBUXUBu> dammit my power button icon os too far off screen weird
[05:32] <Apollo> ubottu, thankyou, some of those links i did not have and will have to investigate, im sure they will help.
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> uBUXUBu: maybe you just need a resolution fix?
[05:33] <CGI401> airtonix: going to use what I learned to attempt to install transmission under its own user account .. can't thank you enough for all the help.  I learned a lot
[05:33] <airtonix> CGI401: good stuff
[05:34] <Apollo> bazhang, im not sure what u mean by !rute and !manual, is that some sort of referment to the terminal man and info command?
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> Apollo: man pages are specific manuals to a package, to help you with commands
[05:35] <airtonix> Apollo: he was using the bot to link you to wiki pages
[05:36] <uBUXUBu> im screwd
[05:36] <bazhang> documentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - http://rute.2038bug.com   Apollo
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> uBUXUBu: plz mind your language
[05:36] <uBUXUBu> cant reset that top panel?
[05:38] <uBUXUBu> how do i turn this off?
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> uBUXUBu: did you try command from the url i linked you?
[05:38] <uBUXUBu> yes of course
[05:39] <uBUXUBu> now the bottom of xchat is almost gone
[05:39] <uBUXUBu> ok got that back
[05:39] <uBUXUBu> but my power off is gone
[05:40] <uBUXUBu> will i hurt it of i crash it
[05:41] <Smedles> afternoon all
[05:41] <Smedles> wondering if anyone can help me diagnose an issue I periodically experience with my Ubuntu Server running 13.10...
[05:42] <Smedles> every few weeks I experience issues where machine on the local LAN cannot connect to the server using it's internal LAN address - no matter which port - whether it be ssh, samba, webmin, http, etc
[05:42] <Smedles> around the same time, server connections over the internet momentarily drop out (so quasselcore connection drops out)
[05:42] <Smedles> sometimes these just go away, others I need to reboot the server then everything is good.
[05:43] <Smedles> Any ideas?
[05:43] <airtonix> Smedles: bad network card?
[05:43] <airtonix> Smedles: hook up a monitor to the server and have : tail /var/log/syslog -f running
[05:44] <Smedles> airtonix: i guess that's something easy I could test - not sure what free pci ports I have on that box tho (its a N40L microsoerver)
[05:44] <airtonix> Smedles: not familiar with that.
[05:44] <Smedles> http://www8.hp.com/au/en/products/proliant-servers/product-detail.html?oid=4248009#!tab=features
[05:45] <airtonix> Smedles: i've experienced a problem where problematic drives will cause faults and then cause dbus to drop out which then takes out a bunch of other services like ssh
[05:45] <Smedles> airtonix: but I can connect to ssh via external IP jst not internal
[05:45] <Smedles> so the daemon is still running
[05:46] <airtonix> time to eliminate hardware then
[05:46] <DaemonicApathy> I keep thinking I'm being called...
[05:46] <airtonix> Smedles: i'd head over to #ubuntu-server and ask there on idle mode
[05:49] <Smedles> only unusual thing in syslog from around the time I had the issue yesterday is:
[05:49] <Smedles> Dec 24 15:30:09 NAS avahi-daemon[917]: Got SIGTERM, quitting.
[05:50] <Smedles> followed by some other errors
[05:50] <Smedles> but network is a good though - appreciate the tip
[05:51] <SetiAmon> Hey can anyone tell me why every single one of my games my mouse resets into the center of the screen constantly making gaming impossiable
[05:54] <bazhang> SetiAmon, games on wine?
[05:54] <SetiAmon> yep
[05:54] <SetiAmon> well i think so
[05:54] <SetiAmon> amnesia
[05:54] <bazhang> check the appdb and ask in #winehq
[05:54] <bazhang> !appdb
[05:55] <SetiAmon> gaming on linux is such a pain
[05:56] <SaberX01> While it's possible to use wine, game performance id poor at best. If at all possible, use native Linux games.
[05:56] <SaberX01> *is
[05:57] <SetiAmon> still get odd satisfaction from playing games or anything on linux.i just went back to it after windows f'd
[06:15] <ItsMeLenny> hello, ive just downloaded ubuntu 13.10 64bit live and put it onto a usb stick, and everytime it boots it just boots into this terminal screen
[06:15] <ItsMeLenny> some other fs
[06:16] <duythinht> hi
[06:17] <ItsMeLenny> some sort of fs, i forget what it was, but it was just a terminal prompt
[06:22] <ItsMeLenny> any help would be appreciated
[06:22] <bazhang> busybox?
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> ItsMeLenny: did you have same issue on 12.04?
[06:22] <ItsMeLenny> bazhang, thats the one!
[06:22] <ItsMeLenny> lotuspsychje, no, never encountered it in my life
[06:22] <bazhang> ItsMeLenny, how did you put it on usb stick
[06:22] <ItsMeLenny> usb-creator
[06:23] <bazhang> ItsMeLenny, did it ever work?
[06:23] <ItsMeLenny> when i tried doing it via dd it wouldnt even get recognised
[06:23] <ItsMeLenny> bazhang, usb-creator has worked for me, it worked when i did 13.10 i386 on a laptop
[06:24] <ItsMeLenny> dd used to work for me also
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> ItsMeLenny: can you try enter grub and choose kernel in recoverymode?
[06:24] <ItsMeLenny> lotuspsychje, it's the live cd, it's not installed
[06:24] <ItsMeLenny> live cd on usb
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> ItsMeLenny: so at wich part you get the terminal?
[06:25] <ItsMeLenny> i see the purple screen with the man and the keyboard down the bottom, then it goes into busybox
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> ItsMeLenny: uefi machine?
[06:26] <ItsMeLenny> pardon?
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> ItsMeLenny: what was default Os on the machine you try to install?
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> ItsMeLenny: w7? w8?
[06:28] <ItsMeLenny> lotuspsychje, none, i built the computer myself
[06:28] <ItsMeLenny> it's one i've had for a few years with various upgrades over the years
[06:29] <ItsMeLenny> i wasnt going to upgrade ubuntu from 12.04 to 14.04, but i completely screwed the system, it's barely operating
[06:29] <ItsMeLenny> :P
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> ItsMeLenny: hmm strange, maybe try ubuntu 12.04 on stick, see what it does for your machine?
[06:29] <ItsMeLenny> its worked
[06:29] <ItsMeLenny> thats what i have on now
[06:29] <ItsMeLenny> and various version before have worked also
[06:29] <ItsMeLenny> been on ubuntu since about 7
[06:30] <ItsMeLenny> or 8
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> ItsMeLenny: re-install 12.04 clean maybe, im waiting 14.04 also
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> 13.10 got lots of issues with screens
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> many users come here with blank reboots
[06:30] <ItsMeLenny> yeah, i was thinking of it, but i upgraded half the system files anyway to quantel stuff, and i need later kernels thahn what 12.04 uses
[06:31] <ItsMeLenny> oh really?
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> im not saying its unfixable right
[06:31] <ItsMeLenny> should i go 13.04 then
[06:31] <ItsMeLenny> yeah
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> 13.04 is rocksolid im on it, but support end almost
[06:31] <ItsMeLenny> 12.04 kernels are too old for me tho, with some of my hardware
[06:31] <ItsMeLenny> that's alright, i'll upgrade by support end
[06:32] <ItsMeLenny> or at least a couple of months after
[06:33] <ItsMeLenny> ok, i'll download the 3rd cd for the day :P maybe i should grab alternate instead of live
[06:33] <ItsMeLenny> or maybe i might just try 13.10 with a different usb stick, could the usb stick be the rpoblem?
[06:34] <imghost> lotuspsychje, "13.10 got lots of issues with screens" please support this statement give us some details :)
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> ItsMeLenny: i dont think so mate
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> ItsMeLenny: as you see the purple screen
[06:36] <ItsMeLenny> whered the other 'disks' program go, this one is rubbish
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> imghost: im just observing similar issues on 13.10
[06:36] <ItsMeLenny> lotuspsychje, i'll give it a go, if all else fails i'll grab 13.04
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> ItsMeLenny: ill be on 13.04 until 14.04 comes out, even unsupported
[06:38] <ItsMeLenny> lotuspsychje, yeah i'd do the same if i installed 13.04
[06:38] <ItsMeLenny> i'll still upgrade to 14.04 when it comes out regardless tho
[06:38] <imghost> lotuspsychje, thats not an answer mate, actually graphics cards of some machines causing the problems and so upstreams kernel is not able to load the correct modules on boot and hence they get "black screen"
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> imghost: im just saying i see alot of 13.10 comming by here mate...
[06:39] <imghost> lotuspsychje, ok, :)
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> imghost: i never said he cant install it
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> everyone may do what he likes
[06:40] <SaberX01> I do too, seems 13.10 not as stable on some platforms as allot of folks may think.
[06:40] <ItsMeLenny> yeah, i gathered that, i'm keeping the warning in mind, but i'll cross my fingers
[06:40] <imghost> ok
[06:40] <ItsMeLenny> oh, now its not as stable?
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> yes its stable
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu is always stable
[06:41] <ItsMeLenny> :P
[06:42] <rourick> hi :) how can i add items 2 panel 12.04
[06:42] <ItsMeLenny> maybe it was that usb drive, i'll try this one, and hope, if it was the usb drive i wont be appearing in for a few hours
[06:42] <ItsMeLenny> if it wasnt i'll probably be in in the next 10 minutes
[06:42] <ItsMeLenny> thanks for the help, and thanks lotuspsychje
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> ItsMeLenny: hope you can fix your issue
[06:43] <ItsMeLenny> me too ;) :P
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> ItsMeLenny: normally when you see purple screen setup, usb is fine
[06:43] <ItsMeLenny> yeah, i thought so to, but then it came up with busybox
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> ItsMeLenny: how bout F1 shows any errors?
[06:44] <SaberX01> I suppose it depends on what your using it for, if one is always changing, upgrading and such, doesn't matter much, but if you want a production Image, I think the LTS image is still the best.
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> SaberX01: the 'best' is very relative
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> SaberX01: it all depends what the users wants
[06:45] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, yeah, i just need a newer kernel than 12.04, and considering id upgraded it in the system and other stuff, yet not the overall system, if you know what i mean
[06:45] <ItsMeLenny> lotuspsychje, i'll try F1 if it happens again
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> SaberX01: so in many cases 13.10 will do forfill one needs
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> ItsMeLenny: F1 at purple boot screen
[06:45] <ItsMeLenny> ah
[06:45] <SaberX01> well yes, it is, relative to 12.10 thru 13.10, so yes, relative to what's available.
[06:45] <ItsMeLenny> ;) i'll see
[06:47] <SaberX01> And like I said, it depends on the image purpose, but from a sys-admin standpoint, constant change is not good thing.
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> SaberX01: for many cases lts is a good choice
[06:52] <SaberX01> Outside of testing and development, I don't see a use for a short term support image, but that's from a real production standpoint where stability actually means something. I dont think my CFO would like it if I said, sorry ole boy have to re-image you box today to keep up with the next point release.
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> SaberX01: well, i very liked 13.04 and rocksolid for me
[06:53] <ItsMeLenny> lotuspsychje, no dice
[06:54] <ItsMeLenny> although this time it actually came to the purple screen with writing
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> ItsMeLenny: what happened
[06:54] <ItsMeLenny> i selected install ubuntu
[06:54] <ItsMeLenny> and then it went to busybox
[06:54] <SaberX01> Then there's things like Change Management Compliance and Sarbanes Oxley to contest with.
[06:54] <ItsMeLenny> intramfs
[06:54] <SaberX01> *contend
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> ItsMeLenny: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1241589
[06:56] <ItsMeLenny> lotuspsychje, i was trying to search just now for something like that, i'll have  aread
[06:57] <ItsMeLenny> lotuspsychje, this seems a bit much https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1241589/comments/17
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> ItsMeLenny: what kind of hd inside?
[06:58] <ItsMeLenny> looks like something to do with having multiple hard drives
[06:58] <ItsMeLenny> i have 3
[06:58] <ItsMeLenny> one western digital, 2 seagates
[06:59] <ItsMeLenny> the WD is my system HDD and it's on the gigabyte sata ports
[06:59] <ItsMeLenny> wonder if its something with acpi or what not
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> ItsMeLenny: what you have ide or ahci?
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> ItsMeLenny: maybe try 1 hd only and ubuntu setup again
[07:01] <ItsMeLenny> lotuspsychje, ahci, oh and i also have a cd drive
[07:01] <ItsMeLenny> no floppy tho, i got rid of it
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> ItsMeLenny: one guy from bug did try cd, didnt solve
[07:02] <ItsMeLenny> yeah i think i will try it with just 1 hdd plugged in, which kind of annoys me, but is faster than downloading 13.04 as that would probably take me 2 hours
[07:02] <ItsMeLenny> aussie internet
[07:02] <ItsMeLenny> thanks again, thanks for linking me to that page, i will go try it
[07:02] <ItsMeLenny> cya
[07:04] <shawn1963> Hello All.  Anyone get the "input not supported" error upon boot?
[07:05] <shawn1963> is anyone here
[07:06] <shawn1963> or am I typing in invisible font?
[07:07] <glitsj16> shawn1963: hi, can't say i've seen that boot error
[07:07] <glitsj16> what input device isn't supported ? do you know?
[07:07] <shawn1963> I'm not sure
[07:08] <shawn1963> because it was working just fine
[07:08] <glitsj16> anything less cryptic in boot.log or dmesg?
[07:08] <SaberX01> what HW and which version of Ubuntu may be useful info.
[07:08] <shawn1963> I am dual booted with Windows 8.1 and changed the resolution in WIndows.  Now I get this message on my screen saying "input not supported".
[07:09] <batzy> hi.
[07:09] <shawn1963> I don't get a log on screen.  As soon as I choose Zorin from the boot menu it goes right to black and the message.
[07:09] <shawn1963> sorry can't type that fast/
[07:09] <shawn1963> .
[07:10] <batzy> shawn1963, what's up?
[07:10] <shawn1963> uhmm 13.10 is the base.  Zorin Core 7
[07:10] <SuperLag> What's the proper term for the area on the menu bar that's at the right, where the clock and other icons go? System tray is too Windows-like. :)
[07:11] <shawn1963> I can boot into live from the usb, hence I'm here. System Gadgets (tongue in cheek)
[07:11] <SuperLag> I'm curious to know, if you open up an app that puts an icon there, that has a transparent background on its own, but shows up on the menu bar with a beige background... is that a Unity bug?
[07:12] <batzy> 'too windows like'
[07:12] <batzy> yet i use ubuntu
[07:13] <shawn1963> batzy:  Did you get me description or was it too vague.
[07:13] <SuperLag> batzy: the *term* is what it's called in Windows. "system tray"
[07:13] <batzy> shawn1963, you're saying like
[07:13] <batzy> okay wait
[07:13] <batzy> you changed the windows resolution right?
[07:13] <shawn1963> yep
[07:13] <SuperLag> batzy: So I'm saying I'm guessing that's not what it's called in Ubuntu.
[07:14] <batzy> then you logged on ubuntu and it says not supported?
[07:15] <shawn1963> nope never got to log on.  went right to a little box floating around the monitor that said "input not supported" which I am taking is the resolution is out of whack for Ubuntu.
[07:15] <linuxlite1969> hi
[07:15] <linuxlite1969>  how can i unistall a broken dependency?
[07:16] <shawn1963> And I was saying that I can log in using the LIVE USB, try me feature, hence I'm here.   :-P
[07:16] <linuxlite1969> i did everything google is  telling but i cant remove fmit
[07:16] <SaberX01> linuxlite1969, what have you tried thus far, worked failed?
[07:17] <linuxlite1969> force all purge remove auto remove
[07:17] <SuperLag> batzy: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/913175/tomighty_icon.png
[07:18] <batzy> shawn1963, you're on a desktop right? and why type of connection is the monitor?
[07:18] <shawn1963> desktop and VGA
[07:18] <batzy> SuperLag, you mean the panel?
[07:19] <shawn1963> batzy: should I be using the : between me and you?
[07:19] <linuxlite1969> http://pastebin.com/VpMxNCGP <SaberX01> take alook at this bro
[07:19] <batzy> the what?
[07:19] <SuperLag> batzy: yeah. Just forgot what the right thing to call it is. See the left-most icon, how its background does not match the rest of the panel?
[07:20] <batzy> SuperLag, is that the highlight color when it's being selected or hovered over?
[07:20] <batzy> I use xubuntu so idk
[07:20] <batzy> xubuntu and ubuntu server
[07:20] <shawn1963> sorry.  Your typing to me comes up red I was assuming it was because of the colon.
[07:21] <batzy> shawn1963, and you're saying that the same monitor is saying input not supported
[07:21] <SuperLag> batzy: that color persists when I select one of the other icons on the panel.
[07:21] <batzy> wait, when does it give you that message?
[07:21] <SaberX01> linuxlite1969, seems you have an issue getting rid of Qt4 .. not really sure how you'd purge that aside form what you've already tried.
 so how should i get rid of this?
[07:22] <shawn1963> yes thats what I'm saying.  I only have the one monitor.  It works fine when I'm using Ubuntu off the live usb, fine when in windows.  But when I try to boot up in the installed Ubuntu from the boot menu I get the "message".
[07:23] <SaberX01> linuxlite1969, I don't know  actually.
 anyway thanks
[07:24] <batzy> shawn1963, okay when you boot into ubuntu, right after the bios boots press the down arrow key and then enter. A menu should appear, I want you to boot into 'run in safe graphics mode'
[07:24] <shawn1963> ok I can get to that.  Thats on my boot menu already.
[07:25] <batzy> yeah do that
[07:26] <katinthehat> #names ubuntu
[07:26] <shawn1963> I get a menu that gives me "clean""Dpkg" boot to safe graphics" mode, etc.  I get the "message" even when I use the " safe" mode.  I've tried enabling networking and then dpkg but nothing worked.
[07:26] <katinthehat> (sorry guys, I'm new to IRC and exploring)
[07:26] <batzy> so boot into safe graphics mode gives you the same error/
[07:27] <shawn1963> yep
[07:27] <shawn1963> can I change the resolution from a prompt?
[07:27] <shawn1963> I have the option to drop to root.
[07:27] <batzy> yes you can
[07:28] <shawn1963> have pen will write unless it would be easier if its a lot of code to send me an email?
[07:31] <linuxlite1969>  how can i unistall a broken dependency?
[07:32] <linuxlite1969> i did everything google is  telling but i cant remove fmit
[07:32] <batzy> shawn1963, sec
[07:32] <batzy> shawn1963, gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[07:32] <shawn1963> no probs.  I appreciate the help
[07:32] <batzy> tell me what it says
[07:34] <batzy> or shawn1963 better yet
[07:34] <batzy> pastebinit -i /etc/default/grub sorry it's late im not fully functional
[07:35] <SaberX01> linuxlite1969, Only thing I can suggest is, forcing the purge:  sudo dpkg --purge --force-all <package>
[07:35] <shawn1963> hang on a sec
[07:35] <linuxlite1969> what does it do anyway? SaberX01
[07:36] <XATRIX> Hi, SaberX01 yesterday told me not to use directly root acctount
[07:37] <XATRIX> Can i use at least sudo -s, as for the permanent root environment , during the server initial setup
[07:37] <SaberX01> XATRIX, Yep, I'll tell you the same thing today too, using the root account is nto wise.
[07:37] <SaberX01> XATRIX, It'd your box, use it anyway you wish.
[07:37] <SaberX01> *It's
[07:39] <SaberX01> It's makes no sense to install a sudo based Linux distro, only to try and run it as a root base, why not just use Centos, Slack or whatever other root based system.
[07:39] <shawn1963> http://pastebin.com/jK87ZLTa
[07:39] <shawn1963> sorry had to sign in.
[07:40] <XATRIX> SaberX01: just to save my time and verves for initial setup
[07:40] <shawn1963> batzy, I sent the link to you.  How do I send it directly to you so?
[07:41] <XATRIX> Later on, i'll use sudo as i should
[07:41] <SaberX01> Have fun
[07:41] <shawn1963> batzy, when I use the "tab" key does my message show in red on your end?
[07:41] <batzy> shawn1963, i got it sec
[07:41] <shawn1963> k
[07:41] <batzy> shawn1963, just when you type my nick it does
[07:42] <shawn1963> batzy, k
[07:42] <batzy> okay shawn1963 type that command i gave you before, the gedit one
[07:42] <batzy> where it says #GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480
[07:42] <batzy> take out the # and save it
[07:43] <batzy> or shawn1963 sudo nano /etc/default/grub actually cuz you have no GUI
[07:44] <shawn1963> batzy, ok I'm a bit confused.  should I enable the 640x480 line or should I type in the terminal the command you just gave me?
[07:45] <batzy> if you type the command i just gave you
[07:45] <batzy> and get rid of the hash
[07:45] <batzy> the command i just gave you is an editor so you can remove the hash
[07:45] <linuxlite1969> dpkg: warning: there's no installed package matching fmit <SaberX01>
[07:46] <shawn1963> batz
[07:47] <batzy> yeah?
[07:47] <shawn1963> batzy, gotcha.  It works both ways.
[07:47] <batzy> okay yeah
[07:47] <batzy> then do
[07:47] <SaberX01> linuxlite1969, sckip it and go tot he next package you want to remove ..
[07:47] <batzy> sudo update-gru
[07:47] <batzy> sudo update-grub
[07:47] <SaberX01> skip
[07:48] <shawn1963> the hash is gone. ..k ..it gave me a "cow" error.
[07:48] <shawn1963> batzy, /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of /cow.
[07:48] <batzy> when you try to update?
[07:49] <shawn1963> I'm at a live prompt so I am not at a "root".
[07:49] <shawn1963> grrr
[07:49] <batzy> can you su root?
[07:50] <shawn1963> I can but there is no "user" as I am running off a LiveUSB in "trial" mode.  Only way for me to get here to IRC land.
[07:51] <linuxlite1969> ?technically its a dependency not a package,will it still work> <SaberX01>
[07:52] <XATRIX> SaberX01: seems like i do something wrong
[07:52] <batzy> Oh..
[07:53] <XATRIX> But i have 50 minutes installed system. It's a brand new one. And:
[07:53] <XATRIX> xatrix@vox1-ua:~$ sudo service networking restart
[07:53] <XATRIX> stop: Unknown instance:
[07:53] <XATRIX> networking stop/waiting
[07:53] <batzy> okay well shawn1963 did you change the file of the live session or of your disk?
[07:53] <XATRIX> I added only definition to /etc/network/interfaces
[07:53] <XATRIX> for eth0
[07:53] <shawn1963> batzy, the live system.
[07:53] <SaberX01> linuxlite1969, yes, I think, a dep is also a package in it's own right.
[07:54] <batzy> shawn1963, well that's not going to do much, do you mind if I query you to fix this then?
[07:54] <XATRIX> SaberX01: http://ur1.ca/g97xk
[07:54] <XATRIX> What's wrong with it ?
[07:54] <shawn1963> batzy, but I wrote down what you told me and will try it from the "real" system.  What do you me by query?
[07:55] <shawn1963> you mean like remote?
[07:55] <XATRIX> I don't understand what's wrong with it, i even removed interface settings added by me
[07:55] <XATRIX> Still the same crap
[07:55] <XATRIX> I think i have to move from LTS -> 13.
[07:56] <aleksejs_> I don't remember exactly who recomended Deluge for me yesterday, but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpsJqZkCHAk
[07:57] <shawn1963> batzy, does query mean remote?  I could try this on the disk side and then come back.
[07:59] <batzy> that goof ball
[08:00] <XATRIX> xatrix@vox1-ua:~$ sudo service networking restart
[08:00] <XATRIX> stop: Unknown instance:
[08:00] <XATRIX> networking stop/waiting
[08:00] <XATRIX> What can i do to fix this ?
[08:00] <batzy> bloody impatient
[08:01] <XATRIX> xatrix@vox1-ua:~$ sudo service networking stop
[08:01] <XATRIX> stop: Unknown instance:
[08:04] <XATRIX> Why it says me interface is not configured :((((
[08:04] <XATRIX> http://fpaste.org/64267/13879586/
[08:04] <XATRIX> That's sensless
[08:07] <batzy> guess shawn just left.
[08:09] <XATRIX> I've found the trouble
[08:09] <XATRIX> My initial /etc/hosts string was
[08:09] <XATRIX> <IP_ADDRESS>  vox1-ua.letvox.com vox1-ua
[08:09] <XATRIX> my server named as vox1-ua
[08:10] <XATRIX> But i don't want it to resolves to WAN ip
[08:10] <XATRIX> i need eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:10] <XATRIX> as vox1-ua
[08:10] <XATRIX> and <IP_ADDRESS> as vox2-ua
[08:10] <XATRIX> I changed it to :
[08:10] <XATRIX> <IP_ADDRESS>        vox1-ua
[08:10] <XATRIX> <IP_ADDRESS>        vox2-ua
[08:10] <XATRIX> <IP_ADDRESS>  vox1-ua.letvox.com vox1-ua
[08:10] <FloodBot1> XATRIX: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:10] <XATRIX> And now i have problems with start/stop scripts
[08:11] <XATRIX> Unbelivable!!!
[08:12] <XATRIX> Negative, the same thing happens again :9
[08:19] <l00pback> hey guys i'm in need of some help
[08:20] <batzy> Whatchya need kid
[08:21] <l00pback> I have a 2TB hard drive(External) and it's showing I go to format it, it gives me the error "Input/Output error during read on /dev/sdb
[08:21] <l00pback> hold on
[08:22] <l00pback> GParted is showing me that the drive is unnallocated
[08:22] <l00pback> unallocated* and when i go to format it Gparted shows me that error
[08:22] <l00pback> please help me
[08:32] <AlecTaylor> hi
[08:33] <AlecTaylor> Debugging apt-get errors; found that my /tmp directory was missing. I recreated it, what should I change permissions to? "drwxr-xr-x   2 root root   4096 Dec 25 19:30 tmp"
[08:35] <batzy> hey shawn1963
[08:35] <shawn1963> batzy, hey there sorry about that.
[08:35] <Fudus> drwxrwxrwt   9 root root  20K Dec 25 16:33 tmp/
[08:35] <batzy> you didn't need to go onto the other box btw
[08:35] <batzy> did you fix it?
[08:35] <shawn1963> batzy, yea the cheating way.  I just reinstalled it hehe.
[08:36] <shawn1963> I tried to get to the nano from the root prompt but it kept saying that the grub was read-only.
[08:36] <shawn1963> grrr
[08:36] <batzy> yeah...i could've fixed it for ya
[08:36] <batzy> but w/e glad you got it working
[08:37] <shawn1963> You said something about query.    NOW that is funny lol
[08:42] <elky> it's also offtopic. go keep #ubuntu-offtopic entertained :P
[08:46] <shawn1963> batzy, I gotta hit the hey.  I am tired for an old man.  Just think if I stay up any later I'll be pushing up daisies.
[08:46] <shawn1963> hay
[08:55] <yahyaa> is anyone here familiar with monodevelop?
[08:56] <bel3atar> layhdimakhla9
[08:58] <ItsMeLenny> holy moly, i have never experienced more problems with ubuntu than i have right now with installing 13.10
[08:59] <ItsMeLenny> who was i talking to earlier
[09:01] <ItsMeLenny> im going to get 13.04 right now and hope that its better
[09:01] <ItsMeLenny> because hoooleeee craap
[09:01] <dipak> ItsMeLenny: what kind of problems?
[09:02] <ItsMeLenny> dipak, random reboots, mass amount of errors, every program hangs and freezes every 2nd time
[09:03] <ItsMeLenny> had to do updates from terminal because synaptic was borked, which it updated the kernel which the latest one just broke everything
[09:03] <ItsMeLenny> it feels just in general unstable and very unresponsive
[09:04] <SaberX01> Somebody told me earlier, 13.10 was good to go :-) ... does not seem so in the case now does it.
[09:04] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, it is incredibly painful
[09:05] <dipak> 13.10 is very good i can say it's even better than before
[09:05] <ItsMeLenny> it was actually less painful using my computer before the reinstall when no desktop would show
[09:05] <ItsMeLenny> dipak, troll in the dungeons
[09:05] <SaberX01> I'm a firm believer in LTS to LTS for production, play around with the in between stuff, but that's it.
[09:06] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, me too, its just that i borked everything and need a later kernel, but on that note, im probably better off just doing a fresh 12.04 install, i might do that actually instead of 13.04
[09:06] <ItsMeLenny> and then just update the kernel sanders
[09:07] <bel3atar> ItsMeLenny: what version are you running? Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64 [x86_64/1.00GHz/SMP]
[09:07] <ItsMeLenny> bel3atar, now or before?
[09:07] <SaberX01> All my boxes are on 12.04.3 ..I have several Vbox 13.xx installs, but nothing on real hardware.
[09:08] <ItsMeLenny> before i was on 12.04 while running like raring or quantel kernel, amd64 also 3.2Ghz
[09:09] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, yeah i just got 12.04.3 iso earlier so i'll use it, do you usually use live or alternate to install?
[09:09] <dipak> ItsMeLenny: no it's not a lie i am currently using it for nearly 1 month and there is not a single problem in it except for some minor bugs. May be you are the troll
[09:09] <SaberX01> Most of the time, the server install CD then add Desktop to it.
[09:09] <ItsMeLenny> dipak, out of curiosity are you on 32bit or 64bit
[09:10] <ItsMeLenny> because my dad does use 32bit 13.10 and it works fairly well
[09:10] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, ahh
[09:11] <SaberX01> It's still done during install, toward the end, I add OpenSSH, and usualyl grab a desktop of choice then.
[09:11] <dipak> ItsMeLenny: 64-bit
[09:11] <ItsMeLenny> odd
[09:11] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, ah, i see what you're saying
[09:12] <ItsMeLenny> ubuntu is making me angry
[09:12] <batzy> y
[09:12] <batzy> how
[09:12] <SaberX01> I just have less troubles with svr CD's ... I even have a little Via C7 HP mini running apache and it's my Ubuntu Mirror box.
[09:12] <ItsMeLenny> by not working
[09:13] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, yeah
[09:14] <ItsMeLenny> this kind of annoyance makes me want to switch to bsd
[09:15] <bekks> ItsMeLenny: Do you have a specific support question?
[09:16] <ItsMeLenny> bekks, why doesnt ubuntu 13.10 work
[09:16] <SaberX01> I have a BSD , Slack and CentOS Vbox , but mostly all Ubuntu for production stuff
[09:16] <ItsMeLenny> now the startup disk creator keeps crashing
[09:16] <ItsMeLenny> how am i going to make a usb stick now
[09:16] <SaberX01> Unetbootin
[09:16] <batzy> I use ubuntu because of software.
[09:17] <batzy> I used to use Arch, Gentoo, and FreeBSD a lot
[09:17] <bekks> !doesntwork
[09:17] <bekks> ItsMeLenny: Do you have a specific support question, with full details?
[09:17] <SaberX01> rr batzy I built a Gentoo box, that thing was fast, vry fast.
[09:18] <bekks> !usb | ItsMeLenny
[09:19] <batzy> SaberX01, meh
[09:19] <ItsMeLenny> stop ubottu i know how to do it, its the fact that your ubuntu ways are broken, your usb creator does not work
[09:19] <batzy> I didn't notice any speed payoff with it when I was using it on a newer machine
[09:20] <bekks> ItsMeLenny: Ah, I see you dont want help actually, but continue to rant. If you continue, I dont see any reason in any effort to help you.
[09:20] <bekks> batzy: It wont be faster, using 32bit on 64bit CPU is just wasting resources. :)
[09:21] <ItsMeLenny> bekks, is bot
[09:21] <batzy> I know, i was saying that to SaberX01
[09:21] <bekks> ItsMeLenny: ubottu is a bot which can be triggered to tell you and other usefull information.
[09:22] <ItsMeLenny> bekks, its not useful when it doesnt work, im doing it the ubuntu way
[09:22] <SaberX01> I use very few applications that can take advantage of 64 bit or large volumes of ram
[09:22] <ItsMeLenny> ive been on ubuntu since 8.04
[09:22] <ItsMeLenny> or 8.02 whatever it was at the time
[09:23] <SaberX01> I install 64bit on any box that I can, but, it's a waste really, as I really dont need it.
[09:23] <bekks> ItsMeLenny: "doesnt work" is a totally useless term when it comes to "what going on, how can we help you". If you wantto continue ranting, do it, but elsewhere. Or ask a specific question about what isnt working, throwing which error messages instead doing of what exactly, on which ubuntu version specifically.
[09:24] <SaberX01> I started in Ubuntu in the 5.x Days
[09:24] <SaberX01> Was using mostly Slack before that.
[09:24] <gordonjcp> SaberX01: likewise
[09:24] <bekks> SaberX01: not using the resources your computers have is wasting resources. As long as your CPU is 64bit, you should use 64bit.
[09:24] <ItsMeLenny> bekks, you're ranting, i didnt rant at all, ive already stated the problems
[09:24] <bekks> ItsMeLenny: "doesnt work", "making me angry". Whatever.
[09:25] <gordonjcp> ItsMeLenny: re making a bootable USB stick, just dd the image onto a USB drive
[09:25] <gordonjcp> ItsMeLenny: forget all this unetbootin stuff, it's a waste of time
[09:26] <SaberX01> bekks, I'd venture to say, that most Desktop users, not workstations, are way over spec for the job, they need allot of GPU power adn NIC speed, and most use very little CPU adn maybe 1 to 1.5 GB of RAM on average.
[09:27] <gordonjcp> SaberX01: a few years ago, they would have used very little GPU power and lots of CPU power and RAM
[09:27] <gordonjcp> SaberX01: in a few years time we'll be back round to that again
[09:27] <ItsMeLenny> gordonjcp, yeah i dd'd for ubuntu 13.10 and it didnt work, im dd'ing now for 12.04, i'll see if it will boot tho
[09:27] <SaberX01> I mean really, how fast does my Desktop need to be to run a Presentation or write a document.
[09:27] <gordonjcp> ItsMeLenny: "didn't work" how exactly?
[09:27] <bekks> SaberX01: Whatever they need, is out of question. The point is which specs the computer have. And if thats 64bit, then use a 64bit OS.
[09:28] <ItsMeLenny> gordonjcp, it dd'd across everything, but when it came to boot from it it wasn't recognised, which is bizarre because ive done it mass amounts of times before
[09:28] <SaberX01> Thats what I said earlier, if it's 64bit capable, we install 64bit versions.
[09:28] <SaberX01> but it's still a waste of resources.
[09:29] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, i have 64bit on my netbook which only has 1gb of ram
[09:29] <gordonjcp> ItsMeLenny: I'd be wondering if maybe that USB drive is dodgy
[09:29] <ItsMeLenny> gordonjcp, yeah it's being recognised, it was really bizarre that it wasnt recognised when it had 13.10 on it, also for 13.10 i had to unplug my 2 internal HDD's to actually get it to get past busybox
[09:29] <SaberX01> My little HP mini, the Via C7.. that's about all I have round here that's not 64bit.
[09:30] <gordonjcp> ItsMeLenny: when you say "wasn't recognised" what exactly do you mean?
[09:30]  * gordonjcp has a bunch of 32-bit hardware, not all of it x86-based
[09:30] <bekks> SaberX01: It isnt. Why should it? Why would you run DOS when having just 512M - because it is a waste of resources? Install what is able to use most of the resources or you are just wasting resources.
[09:30] <ItsMeLenny> gordonjcp, in the bios, when its recognised every other time
[09:30] <SaberX01> I have one Q6 server that I intentionally put 32bit on .. it's a BU server.
[09:30] <ItsMeLenny> its something with 13.10
[09:30] <gordonjcp> ItsMeLenny: whatever is on the stick ought not to make a difference to the BIOS
[09:30] <gordonjcp> ItsMeLenny: it can't possibly be 13.10
[09:30] <bekks> SaberX01: The last time I installed 32bit on a server wasa a decade ago.
[09:31] <ItsMeLenny> hmm, except now i saw the purple screen but its not launching anything
[09:31] <gordonjcp> ItsMeLenny: that might sit for a while, is there an activity light on the USB stick?
[09:31] <ItsMeLenny> gordonjcp, 13.10 when i finally got it to boot off the stick i had to unplug 2 of my hard drives for it to work properly, i think theres something unconventiional in it
[09:31] <ItsMeLenny> no activity. this hasnt happened before
[09:32] <SaberX01> bekks, when you have to decide what resources you budgets can handles, 2 techs or a high spec box for 100+ IT folk, ya start looking at real utilization rather that pie in the sky stuff.
[09:32] <ItsMeLenny> hard reboot
[09:32] <gordonjcp> ItsMeLenny: no
[09:33] <ItsMeLenny> gordonjcp, hard reboot fixed it, or at least it got further
[09:33] <Roccat> anyone know which channel would be good for RAID issues?
[09:33] <SaberX01> Personally, I'd rather have more human resources and less hardware resources.
[09:33] <ItsMeLenny> gordonjcp, should i have dd'd with a bs because i didnt include one
[09:33] <bekks> SaberX01: The difference in the pricing between 32bit and 64bit is nearly 0. If you just have 32bit HW, it is obviously that you cant use 64bit - which isnt a pricing question but just "is the computer able of running 64bit or no?"
[09:33] <ItsMeLenny> oh, black screen but is responsive
[09:33] <ItsMeLenny> timeout killing modprobe
[09:33] <Roccat> When booting I get: Invalid Partition Table
[09:34] <bekks> SaberX01: but I think this is getting even more offtopic in here ;)
[09:34] <ItsMeLenny> frozen, hard reboot
[09:34] <Roccat> This is on a 6 drive RAID enabled IBM 236
[09:34] <ItsMeLenny> i'll re-dd with a bs=4
[09:34] <bekks> bs=4 is pretty insane, it will write four bytes at a time.
[09:35] <Roccat> Anyone here with experience in IBM Raid setup/problems?
[09:35] <bekks> Roccat: Is that a new setup?
[09:35] <Roccat> no no, it crashed in the middle of the night.
[09:35] <ItsMeLenny> ah damn, forgot to switch the kernel, the new kernel doesnt work either
[09:35] <Roccat> Drive 0 was set to defunct.
[09:35] <Roccat> setup is as follows: 3 drives on logical, 3 drives on hot swap
[09:35] <bekks> Roccat: So hopefully you have a full backup?
[09:36] <SaberX01> bekks, agreed, but when you spec HW for engineering, MFG, IT and general use, excluding the CPU of course, RAM, HD all that plays into it .. Servers are a whole diff kettle of fish .. and yes, we gone way OT here :-)
[09:36] <Roccat> bekks, yes have a Netapp box
[09:36] <ItsMeLenny> how does one pop up grub
[09:36] <ItsMeLenny> without having to reboot in startup
[09:36] <bekks> Roccat: Three single drives? and Three hot spares? Or some kind of RAID using an incredible waste of hotspares?
[09:37] <Roccat> bekks, something like that.
[09:37] <Roccat> bekks, replaced RAID controller, updated RAID bios to 7.12
[09:37] <bekks> Roccat: "Something"? Which RAID level exactly do you use?
[09:37] <Roccat> Raid 5
[09:37] <bekks> Roccat: So you are using a RAID5 on three disks with the waste of three hotspares?
[09:38] <SaberX01> Only really need one spare I'd think, add the other two drives into the array.
[09:39] <Roccat> SaberX01, ok will do.
[09:39] <bekks> Some RAID1/0 oin 6 disks would have been more sensible in terms of speed.
[09:39] <bekks> Roccat: Do you mind to asnwer my question?
[09:39] <Roccat> SaberX01, the server is 6 years old
[09:40] <SaberX01> If your having high failure rates, a larger array can keep you up and running v.s. the 3 drive approach.
[09:40] <Roccat> strange thing, when I did replace drive 1, the one which was flagged as defunt, it started a copy back, when I returned this morning, drive 0 was defunct.
[09:41] <bekks> If you are having high failure rates, you should eliminate the faulty hardware.
[09:41] <SaberX01> Roccat, all the more reason to spread the risk over a larger volume .. at least from an operational point of view.
[09:41] <Roccat> SaberX01, you think its possible I lost the partition entirely?
[09:41] <bekks> Roccat: you data is gone then: this happened: one drive failed, while rebuilding a second drive failed. Data lost.
[09:42] <toil> In Screen(GNU), I've somehow linked a single 'window' within 2 different screen sessions. Any idea how I've done that? lol
[09:42] <SaberX01> Well anything is possible, but loosing a whole partition in a RAID array, you dont run accros that often, or at least I ahven't.
[09:42] <Roccat> SaberX01, yea, sucks.
[09:43] <bekks> SaberX01: It happens very often if you use cheap desktop drives and put them under high I/O rates in 24/7.
[09:43] <Roccat> IBM drives, but yea, weird to have 2 drives fail right in sequence
[09:43] <bekks> It even happens regularly when using SATA drives in a high I/O environment.
[09:43] <Roccat> wasn't a high I/O environment.
[09:43] <bekks> Roccat: 6 year old drives. Get 6 new ones, build a new array.
[09:44] <SaberX01> Out arrays are very expensive .. I doubt we have 1HD failure a month if that.
[09:44] <bekks> SaberX01: How many arrays are you responsible for? ;)
[09:45] <SaberX01> How many arrays ? god only knows, ... at least 400-500 physical single drives .. and thats not anythign to do wiht our computational clusters.
[09:46] <bekks> SaberX01: so that breaks down to about 100 arrays when using stock R5 arrays. thats pretty low-scale ;)
[09:47] <bekks> And again - we are getting offtopic. Sorry, I wont do that again :/
[09:47] <SaberX01> That one data center, we have them all over the world.
[09:47] <q_a_z_steve_> How do I find out the dependencies and pull them for offline use? I know I dabbled in all this once, but I'm super rusty.
[09:47] <SaberX01> EU, JA, SG, TW, CH, GbH, UK, FR<, IS,  .. nothign in S. America or Africa though, at least that I know of.
[09:48] <q_a_z_steve_> I need libssl-dev apparently.
[09:48] <ItsMeLenny> it's really laggy when i drag window frames
[09:50] <hitsujiTMO> q_a_z_steve: apt-cache show packagename       ....   this will give you the info for a package, including dependencies
[09:50] <q_a_z_steve> down the rabbit hole it is.
[09:51] <hitsujiTMO> q_a_z_steve: you could set up a minimal debootstrap chroot env for pulling the exact dependencies to that chroots apt-cache
[09:52] <bekks> q_a_z_steve: http://askubuntu.com/questions/306971/install-package-with-dependencies-offline
[09:52] <XATRIX> f...ck this LTS, i'm gonna install 13 server
[09:52] <bekks> !language | XATRIX
[09:52] <SaberX01> q_a_z_steve, you can use the download flags, use apt-offline all kinds of methods.
[09:52] <XATRIX> sorry
[09:54] <ItsMeLenny> gaaarhhhh now ubuntu 13.10 just locked up again
[09:54] <XATRIX> )
[09:54] <ItsMeLenny> why is hat
[09:54] <SaberX01> XATRIX, smooth sailing playing with  root still ?
[09:54] <thom_r> what happened?
[09:54] <XATRIX> SaberX01: NO!!! i didn't
[09:54] <XATRIX> But i have still the same failures
[09:55] <q_a_z_steve> hitsujiTMO: time wise, how long do you think that would take?
[09:55] <XATRIX> I've reinstalled it completely, and used only sudo
[09:55] <XATRIX> sudo networking restart (start/stop) - gives an error
[09:55] <XATRIX> And some other upstart scripts do
[09:55] <SaberX01> XATRIX, well I know your hardware, but, with the 12.04 server CD's and pre-seed, it's a very quick install here.
[09:55] <ItsMeLenny> im dieing here
[09:55] <SaberX01> I dont know your hardware ... ..
[09:56] <thom_r> It'sMeLenny: what happened
[09:56] <ItsMeLenny> thom_r, was just clicking in the settings menu and it froze completely
[09:56] <ItsMeLenny> unresponsive to everything
[09:56] <ItsMeLenny> and it's not the first time it's happened today
[09:57] <XATRIX> SaberX01: TYAN GT20 B5502 / Intel Xeon X3450 , Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset 6 port SATA AHCI Controller
[09:57] <ItsMeLenny> now it just froze in booting ubuntu
[09:57] <thom_r> how long have you had it installed?
[09:57] <q_a_z_steve> Why is my 13.10 not loading the windows and things right? I'm on a 686...
[09:57] <ItsMeLenny> thom_r, fresh install today
[09:57] <XATRIX> I have another server with a bit different HW, the same happens again
[09:57] <XATRIX> I'm gonna install 13
[09:57] <XATRIX> I don't wanna fight bugs
[09:57] <thom_r> ItsMeLenny: probably a bad install, try re-installing
[09:58] <SaberX01> XATRIX, that shouldn't be a problem, I've not used that Model TYAN .. but use allot of TYAN MB's, but we only use Intel Fibre NICS.
[09:58] <ItsMeLenny> thom_r, im going back to 12.04, thats if 13.10 can stay uncrashed for long enough to write a usb stick
[09:58] <XATRIX> I need to finish my servers before the weekend comes
[09:58] <thom_r> I've not had any problems in 13.10, using it right now
[09:58] <VanessaE> Hi.  I am trying to sort out a problem with suspend.  Sometimes when my machine goes down, I think it is actually shutting the power off as if it's being told to *hibernate*, even though I've ordered it to *suspend* as the power light actually goes off instead of steady pulsing.  is there any way to tell for sure?
[09:58] <XATRIX> SaberX01: It's not a NIC/driver problems, it's something wrong with the upstart scripts
[09:58] <XATRIX> Or so
[09:58] <ItsMeLenny> thom_r, only upgraded because i completely broke 12.04 after having it installed for a year
[09:58] <VanessaE> seems to be about every other attempt.
[09:59] <VanessaE> (12.04 here, happens with 13.10 also)
[09:59] <SaberX01> XATRIX, Have you tried a simple DHCP only setup ..
[09:59] <XATRIX> No, i have no DHCP in my DC
[09:59] <XATRIX> Only dedicated IPs
[09:59] <ItsMeLenny> whats a good bite size to dd ubuntu onto usb
[10:00] <XATRIX> And i bet it's not a network failure
[10:00] <XATRIX> Or hardware
[10:00] <SaberX01> XATRIX, that's a bummer, no way to tell if it's HW or your SW config.
[10:00] <XATRIX> It's a scripts problem
[10:00] <thom_r> ItsMeLenny: did you update using a usb/dvd?
[10:00] <q_a_z_steve> what's the key combo to restart the guy stuff?
[10:00] <q_a_z_steve> GUI
[10:00] <ItsMeLenny> thom_r, usb, but didnt update, fresh install
[10:00] <thom_r> ah, understood
[10:00] <XATRIX> I can up/down ifaces using sudo /etc/init.d/network-interface stop INTERFACE=eth0
[10:00] <SaberX01> XATRIX, what version UB are you installing?
[10:00] <XATRIX> 12.04.3 LTS
[10:01] <raistlinthewiz> hey there, a question, is there an upstart/supervisord alternative that can also monitor a network port and it it can't access it, restart the process?
[10:01] <XATRIX> I'm currently installing 13
[10:01] <XATRIX> Also, as i said before i have multiple scripts failing, not only networking
[10:01] <VanessaE> I have tried googling for this but I've come up totally empty.
[10:01] <Zahy> Hello
[10:01] <SaberX01> XATRIX, I think I have 1 maybe 2 13.xx VM servers,  so Im not much help there.
[10:02] <ItsMeLenny> thom_r, and the thing is, i have never had these problems with any other ubuntu install, thats where my frustrations stem from
[10:02] <Zahy> Can anyone explain to me why whenever I have Ubuntu installed, the charging LED doesn
[10:02] <Zahy> tdoesn't display the proper color
[10:02] <Zahy> The laptop charges just fine, but the LED stays lit as if it were fully charged
[10:02] <ItsMeLenny> Zahy, i have the same thing with my mute button, glows orange instead of blue, its due to drivers
[10:03] <Zahy> ahh, so its just something I
[10:03] <ItsMeLenny> or probably due to drivers, as in drivers not being written for them
[10:03] <Zahy> I'll have to deal with
[10:03] <ItsMeLenny> Zahy, yeah :P
[10:03] <SaberX01> XATRIX, I dont know why your having multiple init.d / upstart scripts failing, that's very suspect in of itself.
[10:03] <Zahy> Does anyone else's laptop boot up with brightness set to 0? lol
[10:03] <ItsMeLenny> Zahy, loool not mine, but i do have sound issues, it farts all the time
[10:04] <Zahy> I have no sound issues here
[10:04] <Zahy> Got a Lenovo U530
[10:04] <Zahy> wiped windows 8 and did a full ubuntu install
[10:04] <bekks> XATRIX: First, fix networking then.
[10:04] <XATRIX> reinstalling
[10:04] <Zahy> I just really want to fix this brightness issue
[10:04] <Zahy> It's annoying having to adjust the brightness everytime this thing boots up
[10:05] <ItsMeLenny> Zahy, ive got an HP netbook, also the touch pad is terirble, the buttons are built into it so right click relies on two fingers being detected, which #! linux doesnt suport
[10:05] <SaberX01> XATRIX, just as an additional check, you should MD5 the ISO CD  make sure you dont have troubles there.
[10:05] <ItsMeLenny> 12.04.3 install is a-happenin!
[10:06] <tero> Any ideas why skype is turning off by itself?
[10:06] <ItsMeLenny> tero, i'd try grabbing the deb from the skype site and reinstalling it
[10:06] <ItsMeLenny> as bad as their updates are they do sometimes fix stuff
[10:06] <bekks> !skype | tero
[10:08] <ItsMeLenny> ekiga >____< does anybody actually use that?
[10:09] <JoakimL> join agocontrol-devel
[10:09] <JoakimL> join #agocontrol-devel
[10:09] <ItsMeLenny> JoakimL, are you telling us to, or are you trying to?
[10:09] <SaberX01> :-)
[10:10] <ItsMeLenny> nooooo my installer crashed, now i will have no operating system?!?
[10:10] <SaberX01> looks like two failed attempted to me :-)
[10:10] <ItsMeLenny> oh, lucky for me it booted into live more
[10:10] <ItsMeLenny> mode
[10:10] <ItsMeLenny> not having a good itime here
[10:10] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, what ISO you using?
[10:11] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, 12.04.3
[10:11] <SaberX01> LiveCD ?
[10:11] <ItsMeLenny> yeah
[10:11] <ItsMeLenny> 64bit
[10:11] <ItsMeLenny> do you think thats the problem, or do you think it was my flash drive
[10:12] <ItsMeLenny> it said it couldnt read some files
[10:12] <bekks> ItsMeLenny: Sounds like a broken flashdrive.
[10:12] <SaberX01> I know allot of folks sware by the LiveCD, but, I use the server (or what used to eb the alt-cd) and install whatever DE, I rarely have issues at install.
[10:13] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, yeah i used to be an alternate cd user, then in the end i was just like eh
[10:13] <ItsMeLenny> i think it was the flash drive
[10:14] <ItsMeLenny> do usb drives not get mounted in livecdmode?
[10:14] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, It could be, I pretty much waste as disk on ever ISO I use. I've used USB Keys before for testing,  but normally actual CD.
[10:14] <SaberX01> Make sure you MD5 the Image before setting up the USB Key.
[10:15] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, yeah i checked the md5
[10:15] <SaberX01> Least you know that part is good them.
[10:15] <SaberX01> *then
[10:15] <ItsMeLenny> my other usb stick wont mount now, how odd
[10:15] <ItsMeLenny> yeah
[10:15] <ItsMeLenny> maybe i might put it onto an SD card :P
[10:15] <SaberX01> Trying buring a CD, moderate to slow speed burn, and run it that way.
[10:16] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, yeah, and not using brasero, that program never works
[10:17] <SaberX01> Yeah, use whatever ya like, but slow burn, on CD then try the install.
[10:17] <ItsMeLenny> i'll try this sd card first
[10:17] <ItsMeLenny> im feeling lucky with it
[10:18] <ItsMeLenny> noooo now my computer froze?
[10:18] <ItsMeLenny> wtf is going on :(:(:(
[10:18] <ItsMeLenny> something must be sucking extra power in the house
[10:19] <SaberX01> maybe the root casue is the ROM drive ??
[10:19] <ItsMeLenny> but that was running off the usb
[10:19] <ItsMeLenny> oh i know what it would be!
[10:19] <ItsMeLenny> the christmas tree lights
[10:19] <SaberX01> Oh, ok, well that points back to the USB Key then ey
[10:19] <ItsMeLenny> no joke
[10:20] <ddoom_> I installed a usb 3.0 pcie addon card, but am only getting 30MB/s write speed capped. Is there anything I can look at to make it go faster?
[10:20] <ItsMeLenny> but before it froze from running off the HDD
[10:20] <bekks> ddoom_: Do you use an USB3 device, too?
[10:20] <ItsMeLenny> ddoom_, what do you have plugged into the usb3 port
[10:20] <ItsMeLenny> lol
[10:20] <SaberX01> I have a 300amp main service in our house, we dont get pwr lags :)
[10:20] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, our house i rekon got ripped off with the wiring in the 90s
[10:21] <ItsMeLenny> when there was an extra fridge plugged in my computer couldnt boot
[10:21] <ddoom_> bekks, ItsMeLenny : Yes SanDisk Extreme® USB 3.0 Flash Drive to be exact
[10:21] <ItsMeLenny> ddoom_, might just be a slow flash drive, do you have a speed test program
[10:21] <SaberX01> Need a Java .. be back in a few
[10:22] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, and the thing with the christmas lights we have, theyre super old, so they dont run off a 12volt pack or what not
[10:22] <bekks> ddoom_: which driver is that addon card using? Pastebin lsb_release -a; uname -a; lspci -k please
[10:22] <ItsMeLenny> they run off full 240volt
[10:22] <ddoom_> ItsMeLenny: I've tested in windows at roughly 100MB/s
[10:22] <XATRIX> SaberX01: 13 ubuntu server  runs pretty smooth
[10:22] <XATRIX> xatrix@vox1-ua:~$ sudo service networking restart
[10:22] <XATRIX> [sudo] password for xatrix:
[10:22] <XATRIX> networking stop/waiting
[10:22] <XATRIX> networking start/running
[10:22] <FloodBot1> XATRIX: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:22] <ItsMeLenny> ddoom_, oh
[10:22] <bekks> XATRIX: PAstebin your networking configuration please.
[10:24] <XATRIX> bekks: http://ur1.ca/g98p8
[10:24] <ddoom_> bekks: http://pastebin.com/2WXQ1g1P
[10:25] <PebkacJones> hello
[10:26] <thom_r> hello
[10:26] <PebkacJones> hi thom_r
[10:26] <thom_r> how are you
[10:26] <PebkacJones> good
[10:26] <PebkacJones> I'm wondering if anyone here is using T430?
[10:27] <bekks> !anyone | PebkacJones
[10:28] <PebkacJones> what issue are you having with T430 ?
[10:28] <PebkacJones> !details
[10:28] <bekks> PebkacJones: No, you :) Which issue do YOU have?
[10:28] <PebkacJones> I haven't had one
[10:29] <PebkacJones> I want to get T430
[10:29] <bekks> !hcl | PebkacJones
[10:29] <PebkacJones> !poll
[10:30] <PebkacJones> !gq
[10:30] <bekks> PebkacJones: Yeah, so dont poll please.
[10:30] <PebkacJones> !hcl
[10:33] <ObrienDave> Merry Krishna, Bah Humbug, and all that ;P
[10:40] <cvtsx> hello
[10:40] <thom_r> hello
[10:40] <ObrienDave> greetings
[10:41] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, you get it installed yet?
[10:41] <cvtsx> happy xmas
[10:42] <cvtsx> anyone familiar with znc and ubuntu?
[10:42] <batzy> Yep
[10:42] <batzy> cvtsx, you mean the irc bouncer thing right
[10:43] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, no, im back running in live mode, turned some stuff off around the house, but now i cant mount the 160gb drive, "you do not have permissions necessary, i was trying to dd from it when the computer froze, so i hope that didnt break it
[10:43] <batzy> ItsMeLenny, change the permissions?
[10:43] <cvtsx> yes
[10:43] <ItsMeLenny> batzy, but this didnt happen before
[10:43] <batzy> cvtsx, wat about it
[10:44] <ItsMeLenny> and its just an internal drive
[10:44] <cvtsx> and nvm, i was going to use amazon vps but they want phone verification
[10:44] <cvtsx> fuck thaT
[10:44] <cvtsx> or maybe not
[10:44] <cvtsx> 1 min
[10:44] <FloodBot1> cvtsx: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:44] <ItsMeLenny> ah, i can get in with root
[10:44] <batzy> ItsMeLenny, .....change the permissions..
[10:44] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, I doubt that you've broken the HD, but unless you need anythign off that drive' Id' delete all the partitions, and start from scratch there.
[10:44] <cvtsx> itsmelenny: you talking to me?
[10:45] <batzy> chown -R Lenny /
[10:45] <batzy> done.
[10:45] <batzy> lol
[10:45] <batzy> that's actually not a good idea
[10:45] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, its a different hard drive that has all my important files on it
[10:46] <ItsMeLenny> batzy, its a different hard drive
[10:46] <batzy> lol
[10:46] <batzy> is it in /dev/?
[10:46] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, I talking about the system drive /boot.  /swap ...  /  ... /home
[10:46] <ItsMeLenny> batzy, i have no idea anymore :P
[10:47] <ItsMeLenny> im about ready to shoot myself :P
[10:47] <batzy> ItsMeLenny, you're on ubuntu right?
[10:47] <ItsMeLenny> batzy, i sure hope so, :P yeah i am
[10:47] <ItsMeLenny> whats the terminal called
[10:47] <ItsMeLenny> if i can start it in root
[10:47] <batzy> ls /dev/ >> devices.txt ; pastebinit -i devices.txt
[10:47] <batzy> type that
[10:47] <SaberX01> I've started using /home on it's own drive these days, just for this reason, can re-install and have little fear of toasting my /home partition.
[10:47] <batzy> and paste the link here
[10:48] <ItsMeLenny> cant pastebin, the computer is barely running
[10:48] <batzy> no i mean
[10:48] <batzy> type that command
[10:48] <batzy> into your terminal
[10:48] <batzy> oh it has no connection?
[10:48] <ItsMeLenny> it doesnt have pastebinit
[10:48] <ItsMeLenny> no idea about the connection
[10:48] <batzy> I thought ubuntu came with it preloaded.
[10:49] <ItsMeLenny> whats terminals actual name
[10:49] <ObrienDave> no
[10:49] <batzy> :\
[10:49] <batzy> ItsMeLenny, sudo apt-get install pastebinit? :)
[10:49] <ObrienDave> terminal
[10:49] <ItsMeLenny> ah! gnome-terminal
[10:49] <Kablam> hi guys
[10:50] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, you still using USB Key for install ?
[10:50] <ItsMeLenny> ok, i think im about to win
[10:50] <thom_r> Call Charlie Sheen, he can help you win
[10:50] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, going to 'dd' to a SD card
[10:50] <cvtsx> ok im at my vps console what do i do now xD
[10:50] <cvtsx> to install znc
[10:50] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, Good luck ... I never win using dd ..
[10:51] <batzy> cvtsx, uh
[10:51] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, i am a master of the d
[10:51] <llutz> cvtsx: sudo apt-get install znc    and then read http://wiki.znc.in/FAQ
[10:51] <ItsMeLenny> i mean dd
[10:51] <ItsMeLenny> :?
[10:51] <batzy> sudo apt-get install znc?
[10:51] <SaberX01> cvtsx, what server sw you running?
[10:51] <cvtsx> k
[10:51] <Kablam> i have a question im trying to run a install script for rutorrent and i get a error cant find libdigest-sha1-perl .. and i checked that the ubuntu packages is renamed to libdigest-sha-perl what can i do?
[10:51] <cvtsx> saberx01 how do i find this out? this is my first time using a vps
[10:52] <SaberX01> that would do it fer a UB / DB box :-)
[10:52] <SaberX01> cvtsx, If you dont know what the Server OS is, may want to slow up and get that under control first.
[10:53] <cvtsx> i know what a server os is
[10:53] <cvtsx> idk how to find out
[10:53] <SaberX01> what is it?
[10:53] <cvtsx> http://i.imgur.com/UMn3qDA.png
[10:53] <ItsMeLenny> maybe the christmas tree lights is what was freezing 13.10, but it still doesnt answer the mass amount of crashes
[10:53] <cvtsx> thats what it looks like
[10:54] <batzy> ItsMeLenny, wat
[10:54] <batzy> be specific bout your issue son
[10:55] <ItsMeLenny> batzy, every single gnome thing would crash and want to send a system report, gnome panel, gnome icon for this, unity for that, this for something else
[10:55] <SaberX01> cvtsx, That's your console, did you get a CentOS, Ubuntu, RedHat server, that's what  mean by Server OS
[10:55] <cvtsx> shit i dont even think it gave me an option
[10:56] <ItsMeLenny> why does my computer in the bios say its 3.33Ghz when its only 3.2Ghz
[10:56] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, this SD card install looks more promising, maybe my USB drives have had it
[10:57] <SaberX01> It's possible ... they not made for that type of duty, we all just force them into doing it.
[10:57] <ObrienDave> ItsMeLenny, rounding off error. some use a factor of 1000, some use 1024.
[10:58] <guuest> can you help me about desktop notifications??((
[10:58] <ItsMeLenny> ObrienDave, ah! of course
[10:58] <SaberX01> cvtsx, Well before you go trying to install and configure your server, maybe want is on it initially.
[10:58] <cvtsx> ok
[10:58] <ItsMeLenny> ObrienDave, in fact i think it changed when i updated the bios firmware, so theyve glitched it up themselves
[10:59] <ObrienDave> ItsMeLenny, quite possible :P
[10:59] <cvtsx> how do i do that?
[10:59] <ItsMeLenny> NOOOOOO, SaberX01 this installer has the same problem
[10:59] <SaberX01> Allot of us here are versed in multple OS's but this is Ubuntu support, and if you have a CentOS server, best place to be is in CentOS IRC.
[10:59] <ItsMeLenny> [errno 5] input/output error
[11:00] <cvtsx> SaberX01: found it
[11:00] <cvtsx> what os should i run>?
[11:00] <cvtsx> well what version
[11:00] <cvtsx> ofc ubuntu lool
[11:00] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, Try the server installer, and toward the end add OpenSSH is need be and pick a Desktop from the Tasksel menu.
[11:00] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, that has to mean its a 12.04.3 issue
[11:01] <ItsMeLenny> well if i have to download another version i might as well download 13.04... alternate cd maybe?
[11:01] <ItsMeLenny> SQUASHFS error
[11:01] <cvtsx> 12.04 (what i use) or 13.10
[11:01] <cvtsx> which one? I have never used the serrver version though
[11:02] <ItsMeLenny> ok, now my computer froze again
[11:02] <ObrienDave> no alternate for 13.10 afaik
[11:02] <ItsMeLenny> im going mental here
[11:02] <SaberX01> cvtsx, Personally, for a server, there's no question for me, its 12.04 LTS .. others may not agree.
[11:02] <ObrienDave> ^^^^agrees
[11:02] <cvtsx> ok il go with that, i was leaning towards 12.04 also
[11:02] <cvtsx> 64 bit or 32?
[11:02] <cvtsx> i say 64 but idk abnout servers
[11:02] <SaberX01> 64
[11:02] <ItsMeLenny> ObrienDave, no alternate??
[11:03] <ObrienDave> let me check
[11:03] <SaberX01> They stopped the Alt-CD on the 13.xx releases, is just server and Desktop now.
[11:03] <ItsMeLenny> how can this installation screw up so many times
[11:03] <ItsMeLenny> ok, well i might go for a 13.04 alternate then
[11:04] <ufk> hello
[11:04] <cfhowlett> ufk,   greetings
[11:04] <ObrienDave> no alternate for 13. afaik
[11:04] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, The server CD is the same installer as Alt. ...
[11:04] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, ah
[11:04] <SaberX01> adn there's not Alt fof 13.xx anymore
[11:04] <ObrienDave> cfhowlett, Merry Krishna, Bah Humbug, and all that ;P
[11:04] <ufk> i added a path to /etc/environment, do i need to execute something for it to get actually added to the path ?
[11:04] <cfhowlett> ItsMeLenny, perhaps mini?
[11:05] <SaberX01> it's either server or desktop or all that AWS / Cloud stuff
[11:05] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, but does the server have the DE on it?
[11:05] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, I can go you one better
[11:05] <ItsMeLenny> ok, how about i go for 12.04.1 alternate....
[11:05] <ObrienDave> no alternate for 13.04 afaik
[11:05] <ObrienDave> cfhowlett, do tell ;)
[11:05] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, Yes, tooward the end, Tasksel asks, Ubuntu DT, Lubuntu, Xubuntu etc etc
[11:05] <cvtsx> whats a instance in networking?
[11:06] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, oh, so theyre actually on the CD? or does it download them
[11:06] <SaberX01> Yes
[11:06] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, sending now ...
[11:06] <SaberX01> On the CD already apart from some odd packages here and there.
[11:07] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, but if yoru at that point of the install, you have internet access.
[11:07] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, ok, well i might as well grab it, i'll just delete this 13.10 13.10_64 and 12.04_64 isos :P
[11:07] <SaberX01> Get the Server CD, and burn it to a CD, then Add Ubuntu-Desktop when the isntaller asks you if you want additional SW installed, just tick the box you want and go.
[11:08] <ObrienDave> i'll be danged if i can ever get DCC to work ;/
[11:09] <SaberX01> It's also allot faster, and allot ligher, as your not using all the heavy desktop graphics during install./
[11:09] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, pm?
[11:09] <SaberX01> cvtsx, Im not sure what that's referrign too, I'd suspect, your primary NIC, but that's a guess.
[11:09] <ObrienDave> sure
[11:09] <cvtsx> ehh i figured it out
[11:09] <SaberX01> DCC ? what's that?
[11:09] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, so what version of ubuntu should i be getting in the end?
[11:10] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, if you asking me, there's onlt one answer, 12.04.3 64 Server.
[11:10] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, ok, i'll go with that, im not up to making decisions anymore :P
[11:11] <SaberX01> It installed like a champ, all be it 32bit, on my little HP Mini 3 nights ago, and running DebMirror on it now, not probs at all Via C7 1.2Ghz  2GB box.
[11:11] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, how can it have ubuntu desktop on it when its smaller
[11:11] <cvtsx> SaberX01 what snap shot should i use for backup?
[11:12] <VanessaE> *sigh* I hate computers sometimes.
[11:12] <ItsMeLenny> im sure they have screwed up the 12.04.3 64bit livecd iso
[11:12] <ItsMeLenny> VanessaE, I hate them all the time
[11:12] <VanessaE> even the 12.04.3 live USB can't reliably suspend on my hardware.  wtf?
[11:12] <ItsMeLenny> VanessaE, sounds like you dont use them enough :P
[11:12] <ItsMeLenny> ah yes, the ol suspend
[11:13] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, Toward the end of the installation, the installer brings up a menu list fo additional servers you can install, openSSH, Postfix etce tc, it also has all three major desktops, Ubuntu, Lubunt and Xubuntu .. all you do is tick the box, and away it goes.
[11:13] <VanessaE> ItsMeLenny: after 25 years in the field, I've learned that I don't have to hate all of them :)
[11:13] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, so that means they do download from the internet? :P
[11:14] <MonkeyDust> cursing is the only language that every computer understands
[11:14] <ItsMeLenny> VanessaE, :P
[11:14] <ItsMeLenny> MonkeyDust, understands yet still doesnt respond to
[11:14] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, I dont package per package which do and which dont.
[11:14] <ItsMeLenny> ah
[11:14] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, but at that point in the install, you ahve internet access already.
[11:15] <ItsMeLenny> well, I've got 500gb of data to chomp through, yet at these dial up speeds i think thats impossible
[11:15] <SaberX01> cvtsx, Not sure I understand that question.
[11:15] <VanessaE> the only possible, conceivable thing I can think of is that I have no swap (why should I?  I have 16GB of RAM).  Suspend leads directly to what looks to me like an actual hibernate cycle (a full power down with no flashing power light).  explanation?
[11:15] <VanessaE> ItsMeLenny: dial-up?  O_O
[11:15] <VanessaE> you have my condolences.
[11:15] <alterbroken> hi
[11:16] <ItsMeLenny> its not dial up, but almost behaves as much, aussie internet, thanks liberal coalition
[11:16] <alterbroken> uhy, lost my password, cant figure out how to get stuff working
[11:16] <alterbroken> anywho
[11:16] <alterbroken> i'm trying to bind disabling and enabling my touchpad to a Fn key
[11:16] <SaberX01> VanessaE, As a practice, whether used or not, is good idea to create a swap, but agreed, 16gb RAM you prob never gonna hit the disk anyway.
[11:16] <alterbroken> http://pastebin.com/Asdsktp8 is my current idea, but its not working
[11:16] <ItsMeLenny> VanessaE, yeah i dont use swap either, but swap was meant to have been abolished in favour of swap that sits in the partition, like a swap file
[11:16] <cvtsx> SaberX01: its ok, turns out i dont need it
[11:16] <thom_r> I've heard stories of the Aussie internet. Sorry
[11:17] <cvtsx> but what port do i use for znc/vpn? is 22 ok?
[11:17] <ItsMeLenny> problem i had with swap with my 8gb of ram is that it kept using it
[11:18] <VanessaE> ItsMeLenny: well creating a swap file is easy enough to do, but would it matter in this particular case?  I'm trying to establish if the absence of a swap (partition|file) is causing some obscure forced hibernate action to fail (it clearly says it's "Suspend" when I click it,m and that that's what it is doing in the logs, but it visually looks more like hibernate but without ten minutes of flushing to disk)
[11:18] <ItsMeLenny> might be placebo but it seems the more i curse the liberal coalition the faster my internet goes
[11:18] <SaberX01> Port-22 is normally your SSH port (check your config), so if your going to thunnel VPN / SSH on 22 that's ok I'd think.  I ahte to say this, but if I were you, seeing how this is your first server, don't put anything critical / important on the server, it's gonna take a while to lean how to use and secure it properly.
[11:21] <cvtsx> SaberX01: i dont plan on putting anything critical on it
[11:21] <VanessaE> llutz: the logs and the on-screen prompts clearly say it's suspending, but it is acting more like it's trying to hibernate - the machine hangs for a moment, shuts things down, then shuts itself off - but without the flashing power LED.
[11:22] <cvtsx> i just want a znc and maybe a vpn
[11:22] <MonkeyDust> cvtsx  is the server linked to the internet, or just for local use?
[11:22] <cvtsx> linked to internet
[11:22] <SaberX01> cvtsx, I need to go loo up the znc .. I dont use it, so need to figure that out.
[11:22] <cvtsx> its an amazon vps
[11:22] <VanessaE> llutz: I'm wondering if the power management system in Linux (well, the kernal if not elsewhere) is sending the wrong "command" to the part of the hardware that controls these actions
[11:22] <llutz> VanessaE: check logs
[11:22] <cvtsx> kk its just a putty for irc
[11:24] <SaberX01> cvtsx, Here's a 12.04 install guide, not sure if it's perfect or not: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-install-znc-an-irc-bouncer-on-an-ubuntu-vps
[11:24] <VanessaE> llutz: the logs indicate a normal suspend.  it's when I try to resume that it dies.  usually it powers back up and ...then that's just it.  all I get is power, but no usability.  totally dead console, have to hard power-off or hit reset.
[11:24] <cvtsx> thanks, i will check it out ;)
[11:24] <SaberX01> cvtsx, and here's a OpenVPN how too: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenVPN
[11:24] <cvtsx> thanks
[11:25] <llutz> cvtsx: znc is in the repos, use "sudo apt-get install znc"    and then read http://wiki.znc.in/FAQ. there is no need to compile znc yourself
[11:25] <vegetablesalad19> Hello! How can I colorize output I get from grep in myy script? I mark matched string in read, but how to set color for everything else? - adb logcat | grep --color -E "findMe"
[11:25] <cvtsx> llutz: thanks man
[11:26] <SaberX01> cvtsx, Here's the Ubuntu Server Guide, you probably want to spend allot fo time in there for a while: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/
[11:26] <cvtsx> thanks saber
[11:27] <SaberX01> cvtsx, and definately have a read through this: http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-secure-ubuntu-1204-lts-server-part-1-basics
[11:27] <VanessaE> llutz: the only glimmer of hope I've been able to find is this, but G*d look at the age of this bug:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pm-utils/+bug/990129
[11:27] <VanessaE> ha!
[11:27] <VanessaE> I'd forgotten ubottu does that.
[11:27] <VanessaE> (and yeah, that's me at the end with a rather upset post)
[11:28] <cvtsx> ok, do you think if i have it unsecure it will get breached fast?
[11:28] <SaberX01> cvtsx, the more security you put in the better off you gonna be.
[11:28] <cvtsx> yeah
[11:28] <VanessaE> cvtsx: does Windows serve as a good virus-attractant platform? :)
[11:29] <VanessaE> (in other words, yes, you will be breached)
[11:29] <SaberX01> cvtsx, We're not talking SELinux here, but normal sane server security, there's allot you can do.
[11:29] <cvtsx> lool but im running ubuntu server
[11:29] <cfhowlett> cvtsx, your system.  if you want to knowingly leave a breach vector - don't come back crying if you get stung
[11:29] <SaberX01> I know,
[11:29] <cvtsx> yeah, i put a firewall so only my ip can connect to it
[11:29] <cvtsx> i feel ya
[11:29] <VanessaE> ips can be spoofed.
[11:30] <SaberX01> Getting hacked just plane suxs .. anything you can do to prevent it is a good thing.
[11:31] <hitsujiTMO> cvtsx: do you have a static ip? I would suggest setting up a nat vpn instead.
[11:31] <ItsMeLenny> never been hacked in my life
[11:31] <cvtsx> my home ip or the vps ip?
[11:31] <SaberX01> cvtsx, Lots of good firewall, Im not an expert on them, but these are pretty good: ClearOS, IPCop, eBox Platform, Monowall
[11:31] <cvtsx> my home is static i believe
[11:32] <cvtsx> the server came with a firewall all ready i believe
[11:32] <ItsMeLenny> if im hacked someone might steal my text documents, and that one sample song i copied from windows XP
[11:32] <hitsujiTMO> cvtsx: your home ip, if you set it up so that your ip is on the firewall, then as soon as your ip changes you lose access
[11:33] <cvtsx> o yeah
[11:33] <cvtsx> yeah my ip is static, even if it is dynamic we never turn off the modem so im good
[11:33] <SaberX01> Yeah, prob not a good plan, didn't they assign you at least 1 IP address?
[11:33] <VanessaE> can someone tell me a bit about these 3.5 kernels?  back in the 2.x days, it was generally highly recommended to avoid odd-numbered .x versions.  is this not still the case?
[11:34] <VanessaE> (seems I need to update beyond 3.2.0 to have any chance of making suspend work right)
[11:34] <cvtsx> its dynamic
[11:34] <hitsujiTMO> cvtsx: lol, most isps force an IP renew every 24 - 48 hrs. So not turning off your modem doesn't guarantee that it will stay static
[11:34] <cvtsx> nope, my ip hasnt changed
[11:34] <cvtsx> and its dynamic
[11:34] <ItsMeLenny> VanessaE, i needed 3.5 for the blackmagic intensity im pretty sure, but i think they broke some games in Wine, always get a core dump from it
[11:34] <cvtsx> must be my sh1t isp
[11:35] <SaberX01> cvtsx, are you talkign about your Home IP ot the VPS IP is dynamic ?
[11:35] <hitsujiTMO> VanessaE: back in the old days the odd number were dev builds. This not not the case since they switched to git as they now have dev branches
[11:35] <cvtsx> home ip
[11:35] <SaberX01> ok
[11:35] <cvtsx> vps is static i believe
[11:35] <VanessaE> hitsujiTMO: ok, that's about what I figured.  and that's how I remembered it as well.
[11:35] <SaberX01> I hope so.
[11:35] <VanessaE> guess I'll give 3.5 a shot then.
[11:35] <VanessaE> at least fglrx is good all the way up to 3.12 if I should need to go that high :)
[11:36] <cvtsx> but yeah my ip doesnt change every 24-48 hours
[11:36] <SaberX01> VanessaE, tht kinda threw me too the old Odd number thingy.
[11:36] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, i just found i can check the disc integrity, so i'll run that on the usb and see if its algood, then i'll install the server
[11:36] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, will it install the server things and make my computer accessable like a server
[11:36] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, sounds good
[11:37] <hitsujiTMO> cvtsx: still, setting up a nat vpn would still do you some good, would allow you to access the server form other locations, add an extra layer of security ( if you block off all other access to the server ) and allow you to bypass local isp blocks if you're stick in a situation where you cannot access particular sites
[11:37] <ItsMeLenny> whats that thing when someone types in my IP in the internet browser, i had it at one point, is that apache?
[11:37] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, just make sure to select OpenSSH and yes, you can SSH in / out and use it for SVN BZR GiT, or whatever ya want.
[11:37] <cvtsx> yeah i plan on using it for znc and vpn, and i dont have any restrictions
[11:38] <hyper_ch> hi there, non-lts releases don't have an 18 month support anymore but I can't find out how long those are now being supported. Anyone knows?
[11:38] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, i dont want to use it for those things :P is there a way not to install them
[11:38] <ObrienDave> 9 months
[11:39] <hyper_ch> ObrienDave: thx
[11:39] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, Im pretty sure you want OpenSSH installed .. may also want the LAMP stack too.
[11:39] <ItsMeLenny> what is LVM
[11:39] <hitsujiTMO> hyper_ch: full info here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[11:39] <solis> Hello folks! New to ubuntu and linux and I stumbled upon a little issue and was hoping someone here could help me. I tried(and I think i did it successfully^^) to install my gfx drivers for my HD Radeon 5770 card. But when I start dota2 the "preparing to launch.."  Tried a few different "additional drivers" and one works kind of, the game starts and I have sound but the
[11:39] <solis>  screen is completely black. Any ideas?
[11:39] <ObrienDave> Logical Volume Management
[11:39] <hyper_ch> ItsMeLenny: large volume manager
[11:39] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, You select what yo want installed, by default, no additional packages are installed.
[11:40] <hyper_ch> logical :)
[11:40] <hyper_ch> hitsujiTMO: thx
[11:40] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, Logical Volume Manager/Management
[11:40] <cvtsx> this is worrisome https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/abcc2a2d828b1624459cf8c4d2ccdfdcde62c8d1ab51e438db200ab3c5c8cd17/analysis/1387971387/
[11:40] <hitsujiTMO> solis: how exactly did you install the gfx drivers?
[11:40] <cvtsx> i downloaded the exe from a link off amazons official site
[11:41] <[[thufir]]> for mp3's, any suggestions besides amazon or google, as neither work in canada?
[11:41] <cvtsx> do you think its safe? havent ran it yet
[11:41] <ItsMeLenny> do i need reserved blocks?
[11:41] <ItsMeLenny> havent done it this way for a while
[11:41] <cvtsx> both norton and malwarebytes said it was safe
[11:41] <SaberX01> cvtsx, not for linux it's not.
[11:41] <cvtsx> im on windows right now
[11:41] <MonkeyDust> hyper_ch  http://ubuntuone.com/434GupdpZzDds9LCEcPyH5
[11:41] <SaberX01> cvtsx, Im sorry :-) ..
[11:41] <cvtsx> win 7 64bit
[11:42] <hitsujiTMO> cvtsx: download it from the official page: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html
[11:42] <cvtsx> but i do got a ubuntu 64bit partition
[11:42] <cvtsx> hit thats where i got it from
[11:42] <SaberX01> cvtsx, Ubuntu is a good way to avoid all that.
[11:42] <cvtsx> lool so its safe? Im just a little paranoid
[11:42] <solis> hitsujiTMO,  umm.. downloaded from AMD site and installed thru terminal(did some 'chmod +x file.run' and so on, found some guide to help me on the ubuntu forums)
[11:43] <hitsujiTMO> cvtsx: its safe
[11:43] <cvtsx> saberx01 yeah but im on windows 95% of the time ;(
[11:43] <cvtsx> ok
[11:43] <SaberX01> cvtsx, Linux can get virus and worms, but it's much harder due to the permission structure.
[11:43] <hitsujiTMO> solis: yeah, thats the wrong way to install the fglrx driver.
[11:43] <solis> doh :(
[11:43] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, wont this mean i will have server kernels rather than generic?
[11:43] <solis> how do i reinstall it properly hitsujiTMO ? <3
[11:43] <cvtsx> saberx01 yeah i noticied since you got to manually allow programs to execute
[11:44] <cvtsx> i like that
[11:44] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, I jsut got educated on that .. it appears the server and desktop kernels ahve merged, so they be the same now days.
[11:44] <hitsujiTMO> solis: lets see if it worked tho. can you run the following: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:44] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, oh, well then :P
[11:44] <ItsMeLenny> that will cause me a lot less confusion
[11:44] <cvtsx> yeah when i first used ubuntu i was flipping shit cause i couldnt get minecraft to run loool
[11:45] <ItsMeLenny> cvtsx, >_<
[11:45] <solis> hitsujiTMO, Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
[11:45] <solis> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:45] <solis> http://pastebin.com/PV8a2g5r
[11:45] <solis>  last rows from that
[11:45] <cvtsx> haha that was 1.5 years ago, im a little better now
[11:45] <ItsMeLenny> minecraft is about the only game that runs, and runescape, thanks to java
[11:45] <ItsMeLenny> cvtsx, we forgive you
[11:45] <cvtsx> yeah, but i hate java
[11:45] <cvtsx> lool lenny
[11:45] <ItsMeLenny> dont we all?
[11:45] <SaberX01> me too
[11:46] <cvtsx> i dont got that sh1t installed on windows 4sure
[11:46] <ItsMeLenny> java, more like... poova
[11:46] <ItsMeLenny> see what i did there
[11:46] <cvtsx> lol
[11:46] <MonkeyDust> cvtsx  don't use that sh- word here, please
[11:46] <cvtsx> ok
[11:46] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, whats this http proxy access stuff
[11:47] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, skip it.
[11:47] <ItsMeLenny> easy enough
[11:47] <SaberX01> Unless you want to fliter yourself for content :-)
[11:47] <ItsMeLenny> ohhhh
[11:47] <hitsujiTMO> solis: It does seem to be installed and active at least.
[11:47] <ItsMeLenny> right, a proxy
[11:47] <ItsMeLenny> i should probably make myself a filter :P
[11:48] <solis> hitsujiTMO, yeah thats what I thought too because prior to the installation steam told me to update my drivers which it doesnt anymore. Now I just have to figure out how to get dota2 to run instead of crashing even before startup hehe
[11:48] <Kablam> guys need osme help here please im 13.10 mini iso trying to install rutorrent/rtorrent/libtorrent/nginx thru a script and i get a error cant find package libdigest-sha1-perl.... what can i do?
[11:49] <sailendra> hello there i am having problem with printing canon lbp 2900, i am using ubuntu 12.04
[11:49] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, Squid aka proxy .. not entry level stuff, neither is Devcot + Postfix, that' email stuff makes your head hut.
[11:49] <SaberX01> *hurt
[11:50] <swordy> Hello
[11:50] <hitsujiTMO> solis: for future reference, the normal way to install fglrx is through System Settings -> Software & Updates -> Additional Drivers. or installing fglrx package through apt-get. installing from amd site can lead to breakage after kernel updates
[11:52] <solis> ok hitsujiTMO, but i tried that first, it was the same problem so tried it this way :( alot of errors when trying to start dota throguh terminal-launched steam: (steam:12018): LIBDBUSMENU-GLIB-WARNING **: Trying to remove a child that doesn't believe we're it's parent.
[11:52] <solis> any idea?
[11:52] <Kablam> solis do you have amd a4-a10 cpu and use internal gfx?
[11:53] <hitsujiTMO> solis: LIBDBUSMENU-GLIB-WARNING **: Trying to remove a child that doesn't believe we're it's parent. is just a warning
[11:53] <solis> Kablam, i have intel i5 CPU and radeon HD 5770 it thats what you mean :P
[11:53] <VanessaE> well here goes nothibng.
[11:53]  * VanessaE reboots with 3.5.0-45....
[11:53] <Kablam> nope there is a bug with internal gfx in those amd cpus
[11:54] <Kablam> nvm ;)
[11:54] <hitsujiTMO> solis: LIBDBUSMENU-GLIB-WARNING **: Trying to remove a child that doesn't believe we're it's parent. i've seen that a lot with SteamOS logs so can be safely ignored
[11:54] <solis> too bad hitsujiTMO  :( would be nice if you saw that and went "aah! do X and Y and its fixed" hehe
[11:54] <SaberX01> How you do that in the channel, add the * outside adn nick inside like VanessaE just did?
[11:55]  * solis uses /me
[11:55] <hitsujiTMO> SaberX01: ot but it's /me
[11:55] <cummseng> ubuntu 13.10, how can i move notifications to the top right of the screen? they are appearing at the bottom right
[11:55] <SaberX01> hitsujiTMO, thanks.
[11:55]  * SaberX01 I got it now
[11:56] <cvtsx> this may sound dumb, but ubuntu doesnt have rdp huh
[11:56] <cvtsx> so i need to use putty
[11:56] <cvtsx> rdp = windows only?
[11:57] <SaberX01> cvtsx, Yes, has rdp .. but for most server things probably faster CLI via SSH
[11:57] <hitsujiTMO> cvtsx: you can use rdp with ubuntu or vnc or ssh or anything similar
[11:57] <cvtsx> ok thanks
[11:57] <ItsMeLenny> so SaberX01, why do i want SSh and anything else
[11:57] <cvtsx> im only familiar with windows rdp
[11:57] <SaberX01> cvtsx, if you gonna run servers, may as well get used to command-line :-)
[11:57] <solis> so hitsujiTMO  u dont think its the drivers that is causing the issue?
[11:57] <cvtsx> (which is unsecure)
[11:57] <ItsMeLenny> manual package selection? virtual machine host?
[11:57] <hitsujiTMO> cvtsx: rdp requires a gui which is a waste of resources
[11:58] <cvtsx> saberx01 yeah im going to have to ;)
[11:58] <cvtsx> hit does it really waste enough to where you benefit more from command line?
[11:58] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, if you dont want it, is ok, I always install OpenSSH for keys, and the server if I need it.
[11:58] <hitsujiTMO> solis: it could be, but i wouldn't just assume it without any direct evidence
[11:58] <MonkeyDust> cvtsx  ubuntu does have rdesktop
[11:58] <cvtsx> kk
[11:58] <cvtsx> thx
[11:59] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, not sure what keys are, is manual package selection something i want? is thta what i need to be able to install ubuntu desktop
[11:59] <solis> ok hitsujiTMO , just thought it was that because ive tried all the fixes out there I could find that werent gfx related from people with the same/similar issues :/
[11:59] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, SSH keys, you you can authenticate to other SSH servers / accounts .. we can go over that later.
[12:00] <SaberX01> Yes, Manual PKG selection is what you want.
[12:00] <cvtsx> hitsujiTMO: does it really waste enough to where you benefit more from command line?
[12:00] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, select that, then, whichever desktop you like.
[12:00] <ItsMeLenny> i dont think i want ssh accounts tho
[12:00] <ItsMeLenny> fuuuuuu, i pressed enter, and it didnt put it on, it instead skipped
[12:01] <cvtsx> loooooooool
[12:01] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, we can talk about that after, it's not critical right now.