[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[15:20] <sidi> I want to extract lists of all the executables/scripts in all Ubuntu packages. I reckon identifying binaries isnt hard (just gotta find the files with +x permissions), but i'm curious how I can efficiently parse all of Ubuntu's repos... is there an equivalent to ArchLinux's abs?
[15:25] <rbasak> sidi: no idea what abs is, but maybe the apt-file command is what you want? Or at least you can see how it gets its information.
[15:26] <rbasak> Contents-amd64.gz etc.
[15:33] <sidi> rbasak, that'd do half of the job most likely. i'm currently trying to figure out if https://apt.alioth.debian.org/python-apt-doc/library/apt_pkg.html can get me a list of all packages
[15:34] <rbasak> A list of all packages?
[15:34] <rbasak> grep-dctrl on /var/lib/apt/lists/... will give you that.
[15:35] <sidi> rbasak, thanks :-)
[18:42] <frankS2> Hi, requesting processing of https://launchpad.net/~frhnk/+archive/ubuntu/pound


[03:25] <luis__> hello
[03:26] <luis__> I want to get started in coding, what should a beginner do to help out?
[12:59] <leon_> hello, anyone here to help me? :)
[13:01] <leon_> i will ask my question and we will see.. I am using Qt Creator (IDE) to make my apps.. the problem is that Qt cannot create indicators (as far as i know).. Note: i dont want tray with the package sni-qt
[13:02] <leon_> it loses a lot of its abilities like right click or scrolling.. so i was thinking of making a second executable.. What ide will let me create an indicator? Quickly?
[15:38] <JanC> please stay around longer next time, leon_...


[02:47] <n---o> [new album released | DYmWUR by René Muñoz Córdova | Internet Archive]
[12:15] <sakrecoer[b]> rgh: i remember you asking how to rename midi devices? Maybe i got it wrong... But i found this today:
[12:15]  * sakrecoer[b] uploaded an image: image.png (132KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/basspistol.org/zJRdgWyunDwtlqpEiexWHUDN/image.png >
[12:15] <sakrecoer[b]> it wont chagen the anme in Jack, but it's a start...
[12:15] <sakrecoer[b]>  * it wont chagen the name in Jack, but it's a start...
[13:14] <sakrecoer[b]> i'm getting somewhere here! Finally figured out how to get them plugins from within ardour
[13:14] <sakrecoer[b]> I have no luck with carla, for some reason it is way too instable on my setup for me to keep trying.
[13:15] <sakrecoer[b]> But one thing i keep bumping my head in, is how to make Ardour, keep a note at the begining of a midi container.
[13:16] <sakrecoer[b]> The note is 3.1.0, and the container at 2.1.0 of the grid. Now if i drag the container to start at 3.1.0, the first note disapears...
[13:17] <sakrecoer[b]> even if i draw the note with pen  snapped , it sounds and poof disappears...
[13:17] <sakrecoer[b]> if i unrole the container, it's there...
[13:19] <sakrecoer[b]> hm... why is it that things sometimes start working only when i give up? 🤣
[13:21] <sakrecoer[b]> no idea what i did, but now it works as i expect it...
[13:21] <sakrecoer[b]> i can't believe i'm this ->.<- close to have a finished track right now \o/
[14:24]  * sakrecoer[b] uploaded an audio file: dingdingworld_r1_session_2021-01-30_1523.mp3 (2572KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/basspistol.org/nZiharVfIuYdwyhDnuYKmxNZ/dingdingworld_r1_session_2021-01-30_1523.mp3 >
[14:24] <sakrecoer[b]>  absoulte shite. But i'm so happy :')
[14:25] <sakrecoer[b]> the sound is crap... but that's me not the software. The whole exercise was to get that midi to obey! including CC and stuff :')
[14:25] <sakrecoer[b]> next stop: take over the galaxy!
[14:28] <sakrecoer[b]> i remember a decade ago i was like "made with 100% hardware" jajajaja
[14:28] <sakrecoer[b]> today i'm like "made with 100% software" 🤣
[15:09] <marcnnn> Hey since ubuntu studio is using jack as default audio (right?) how is obs-studio audio monitor working on ubuntu studio? (without pulse audio)
[15:37] <OvenWerks> marcnnn: ubuntustudio uses pulse as the front end to jack for desktop audio.
[15:43] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[b]: that is a known bug. Paul has been working on a fix for over a year as it means rewriting how Ardour deals with time. This will be the main "feature" for Ardour 7
[15:43] <marcnnn> OvenWerks: thanks for the hint so its not solving the pulse related issuers with latency:(  it would be nice to integrate https://github.com/thestk/rtaudio or jack or alsa direct to obs audio monitor if someone is interested to join the idea<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:43] <marcnnn> https://github.com/bondagit/aes67-linux-daemon do you have support for aes67 in Ubuntu studio?
[15:43] <OvenWerks> obs can use jack audio directly.
[15:44] <marcnnn> only as source
[15:44] <marcnnn> or am i wrong?
[15:44] <OvenWerks> Ah yes that is true
[15:45] <OvenWerks> most of the latency in any streaming is due to video latency anyway. The audio has to be delayed to suit
[15:45] <marcnnn> with video call in obs web view it would be great to do audio mixing in a other programm or hardware
[15:45] <OvenWerks> it takes time to compress the video
[15:47] <OvenWerks> aes67 hardware is very expensive. more so than avb or dante hw
[15:47] <marcnnn> its not about the latency of the stream its about the latency of people talking with each other over the internet
[15:47] <marcnnn> dante is aes67 conform
[15:48] <OvenWerks> sort of.
[15:48] <marcnnn> i tried it yesterday it works with very low latency
[15:48] <OvenWerks> aes67 can yes
[15:50] <marcnnn> ubs alsa -> aes67 -> netzwork -> neutrik dante without recognizable latency
[15:50] <OvenWerks> the target latency is 1ms 48 samples
[15:51] <sakrecoer[b]> aha! thanks OvenWeks! i wonder what the work around is. there seems to be certain conditions under which it doesn't happen
[15:52] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[b]: move your first note just slighytly
[15:52] <marcnnn> dante said 2,1 ms or so
[15:53] <OvenWerks> marcnnn: the spec for the stream is 1ms, but buffering is needed for stability
[15:54] <OvenWerks> 2.1 ms is very good
[15:55] <OvenWerks> do note that this is in a closed network with good switches end to end, not internet
[15:55] <OvenWerks> and not (even worse) wireless
[15:56] <OvenWerks> most streaming protocols are 500ms (mp3, ogg) just to get it out of the box. OPUS being the exception at 5ms
[15:57] <marcnnn> of cource 3 switches gigabit ethernet
[15:58] <OvenWerks> dante, aes67 and avb do not encode, using raw pcm
[16:00] <marcnnn> yes
[16:00] <OvenWerks> avb switches can have up to 7 in a row and do 7us
[16:02] <OvenWerks> but by the time you dump it into a computer it will be at least 1ms. Just running jack and pulse at 1ms uses 25% dsp on my system
[16:03] <marcnnn> 10 or 20 ms would be fine for me but pulse is much more often ?
[16:03] <OvenWerks> marcnnn: that last line didnt make sense to me
[16:04] <OvenWerks> 20ms as a bass player makes me loose time
[16:04] <OvenWerks> 10 is fine
[16:04] <OvenWerks> even 30ms is ok for some keyboard stuff
[16:05] <marcnnn> webrtc -> obs -> some audio api -> alsa aes67 -> audio mixer
[16:05] <marcnnn> thats the hole plan of mine
[16:06] <OvenWerks> with video?
[16:06] <marcnnn> if the audio api adds  > 100 ms like pulse its a problem
[16:06] <marcnnn> webrtc is around 500ms with video
[16:06] <OvenWerks> if pulse uses jack as it's device, pulse is locked to jack's latency
[16:07] <marcnnn> okay thats interessting
[16:07] <marcnnn> i should try that than thanks
[16:07] <OvenWerks> in Studio, pulse has the alsa modules removed
[16:08] <OvenWerks> while jack is running, when jack is stopped the alsa modiles are reloaded
[16:09] <OvenWerks> if pulse can see any alsa device while bridged to jack, it will be unstable, bbut if jack is the only device pulse has, it is quite stable.
[16:10] <OvenWerks> stable as is run as 1.6ms latency for a week without xruns
[16:12] <OvenWerks> there are some applications that use pulse that can't handle that. Skype likes 30ish ms (jack at 64/2 seems to work)
[16:12] <OvenWerks> firefox has not been a problem though
[16:15] <OvenWerks> marcnnn: do you have a mixer that takes aes67?
[16:16] <marcnnn> okay i will try obs that soon and report:D  i have not managed to get the AES67 alsa device in to Jack jet but that should work somehow...
[16:17] <OvenWerks> ya I have heard that
[16:17] <marcnnn> OvenWerks: yes x32 with dante multiple once
[16:17] <OvenWerks> ah, ok
[16:19] <marcnnn> do you know how to get the right setting for jack with https://github.com/bondagit/aes67-linux-daemon ?
[16:21] <OvenWerks> no I do not. It has something to do with the device type the driver sets it up as. it does not show up in alsa as hardware
[16:22] <OvenWerks> I do not remember the exact details though


[02:23] <penguin42> bugs 1087622 and bug 1087584 seem to have similar oopses on 3.5.0-20
[02:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1087622 in linux (Ubuntu) "Linux kernel 3.5.0-20 won't boot [unable to handle kernel paging request at f91fe4fc in trace_event_raw_init+0xb/0x20]" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1087622
[02:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1087584 in linux (Ubuntu) "linux-image-3.5.0-20-generic boot oops " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1087584
[02:42] <garyseven> question about reporting bugs
[02:43] <garyseven> suppose i found a script that contains parts that are obviously wrong-- like someone typoed in developing it
[02:43] <garyseven> suppose further that i can't figure out how to excercise that code path.
[02:43] <garyseven> should i report it on launchpad, or just leave it alone?
[02:45] <garyseven> well. ok then.
[02:46] <garyseven> i'm gonna peace and think about this some more.
[06:22] <chilicuil> hi, good day, could someone can help me targeting bug #1023329 for precise & quantal? I'd like to request a SRU
[06:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1023329 in cdo (Ubuntu) "cdo does not do what it is supposed to do" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1023329
[06:32] <mitya57> chilicuil: nominated, nominations need to be approved by someone who has rights
[06:34] <chilicuil> mitya57: where I can find someone who have them?, I'm reading the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates and it pointed me here
[06:40] <mitya57> maybe here, but today is Saturday so there are few people here
[06:42] <chilicuil> oh yep, I forgot it, it's still friday here, I'll try later, thanks for the information
[14:44] <hjd> Hello, could someone please mark bug 891939 Triaged/High (crashes on startup, thus preventing the application from working)? Thank you.
[14:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 891939 in horgand (Ubuntu) "horgand segfaults at startup (due to buffer overflow)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/891939
[14:48]  * penguin42 looks
[14:50] <penguin42> done
[14:52] <gnomefreak> that package looks interesting
[14:54]  * penguin42 has been fixing a bunch of simple overflow bugs for the last week or two (although I've got a bunch of unmerged patches which is a bit depressing)
[14:58] <gnomefreak> can someone please try to reproduce bug 1082658 for me
[14:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1082658 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport keeps crashing when i try to file a bug on Unity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1082658
[16:12] <penguin42> hjd: Are you a Horgand user or just triaging?
[16:13] <hjd> penguin42: Just triaging.
[16:14] <penguin42> ok, it looks like a trivial fix; albeit it to a dead project
[16:45] <penguin42> hjd: Well I've attached a patch to the bug and a to a debian bug; not that I can get it to run much further, it refuses to open the audio device
[20:23] <hggdh> penguin42: thank you for the heads up on the 3.5.0-20 issues. Since you added the comment on the quantal LTS-HWE workflow bug only, I copied it to bug 1086759 (quantal Kernel SRU workflow)
[20:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1086759 in Kernel SRU Workflow verification-testing "linux: 3.5.0-20.31 -proposed tracker" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1086759
[20:23] <penguin42> hggdh: No problem, I wasn't really sure where it should go
[20:24] <hggdh> penguin42: personally, I think both are candidates... but I really appreciate the help no matter what :-)
[20:24] <penguin42> hggdh: Yeh it was just one of those where I noticed a bunch of them with the same oops and thought Oh-oh
[20:25] <penguin42> hggdh: So what's lts-quantal?
[20:25] <hggdh> oh-oh indeed
[20:26] <hggdh> penguin42: quantal LTS (or, more formally, <version> LTS-HWE) is the next-published-release on a LTS. So 'quantal-lts' means "Quantal kernel on Precise LTS)
[20:26] <hggdh> penguin42: this is valid from Precise on
[20:27] <hggdh> so, when we release Raring, there will be a Raring-LTS kernel for Precise
[20:27] <penguin42> hggdh: Oh ok, why does current-release-kernel on lts get run? Is that to be able to support newer hardware on LTS?
[20:28] <hggdh> penguin42: there are more reasons, but this is one. Another would be rolling releases (when we get there), another new capabilities (not hardware related), etc
[20:29] <hggdh> if I were working on a big company, I would want to stay with LTS (cost of updates, etc). Having a LTS that has the option of being kept up-to-date is a nice thing
[20:29] <penguin42> nod
[20:30] <penguin42> hggdh: Yeh, although moving kernel can be hard - a lot of companies have things like closed-anti virus packages that build against the kernel, and also have just figured out how to get their hardware to work on a particular distro
[20:31] <hggdh> penguin42: yeah. But the option is there; how feasible is it to be deployed is a much more complex question
[20:31] <penguin42> nod
[20:32] <hggdh> even a kernel update may break userland built against a specific kernel version
[20:32] <penguin42> yep
[20:32] <penguin42> it shouldn't, but yes
[20:36] <penguin42> there are a depressing number of replica watch adverts on lp
[20:36] <hggdh> heh
[20:37] <hggdh> fortunately I already have a real one
[20:37]  * penguin42 doesn't use a watch
[20:37] <hggdh> and there is no way, really, to block them, most use email spoofing
[20:37]  * hggdh goes shopping
[20:39] <penguin42> yeh, or possibly some of the people who are subscribed
[20:40] <hggdh> or that. But in most cases I acted on, it was eventually shown to be spoof
[20:40] <penguin42> can see them looping through bug numbers
[20:40]  * penguin42 goes to hunt the link to send a question to launchpad
[20:41] <hggdh> then it might be worth it to open a question on answers against LP, or ping #launchpad about the email ids
[20:41] <penguin42> yeh I'm just going to do the ask question
[20:41] <hggdh> now I really gotta go, or my wife will kill ne
[20:41] <hggdh> me
[20:41] <penguin42> haha


[19:04] <x_x> hello
[19:09] <alberane> hello
[19:11] <cool_skeleton_95> Hello
[19:18] <alberane> hi everybody... how are you?
[19:18] <alberane> i using Lubuntu 20.04 and have a problem with a fingerprint reader on my notebook.... it does not work... any suggest?
[19:22] <wxl> alberane: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1049526/fingerprint-activation-on-ubuntu-18-04 should give some hints, but i've never bothered with a fingerprint reader
[19:23] <wxl> i do know that now ubuntu ships naturally with support but that's based on their whole setup which is obviously not ours
[19:23] <wxl> see https://fprint.freedesktop.org/
[19:24] <alberane> wow!!! tks wxl!!!!
[19:24] <wxl> to make it work with sddm there may be some hints here https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/284
[19:25] <wxl> from what i read there, despite the fact that issue is still open, sddm does support fingerprint logins


[03:59] <jo-erlend> Hi. What do I do to get my Ubuntu cloak back? :)
[04:08] <el> what's your launchpad page?
[04:09] <jo-erlend> el: https://launchpad.net/~joerlend.schinstad
[04:16] <el> i need to verify this somehow. are there any edits you could do to your launchpad page?
[04:18] <amurray> hey folks, can I please request an ubuntu cloak? on lp I am https://launchpad.net/~alexmurray :) cheers
[04:19] <el> Hi any staff around, could I have a @ubuntu/member/amurray cloak for amurray please.
[04:21] <el> jo-erlend: for the record i need to do extra verification on yours because your freenode account is clearly recreated
[04:21] <jo-erlend> el: Sure, I understand. What do you want me to edit? I could send you an email from my ubuntu mail?
[04:22] <el> i think your keys might be expired actually
[04:22] <el> i don't know if you want to keep them there
[04:22] <jo-erlend> el: right. I can get rid of them.
[04:23] <Unit193> Hi.
[04:23] <jo-erlend> el: done.
[04:23] <el> jo-erlend: excellent
[04:24] <el> Unit193: jo-erlend would like a cloak too
[04:24] <Unit193> amurray, el: All set!
[04:24] <el> thanks :)
[04:24] <amurray> thanks Unit193 :)
[04:24] <el> i'll add them to the cloaks group now
[04:24] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[04:26] <jo-erlend> el: thanks. :)


[00:55] <mate|60914> I just wanna say ubuntu-mate is great; I use it on 2 laptops, got my sister, her boyfriend, and two other friends on ubuntu-mate. They love it and haven't thought about going back to Windows. Thanks everyone!!!
[03:16] <Guest76236> hello?
[11:09] <Eightynine> Hi. I have no sound. My system doesn't detect HDMI output.
[14:59] <muni> hi
[18:38] <halunke> hi
[18:39] <halunke> ive got a problem with a fresh mate-desktop-installation: after a few hours the system doesnt respond anymore. i get a mate-logo with 4 or 5 circles (like at boottime) and nothing is responding. mouse is dead, not even numlock works
[18:40] <halunke> i guess the system attempts go go into some king og powersaving mode
[18:40] <halunke> and that doesnt work.
[18:40] <halunke> any ideas?
[18:40] <halunke> king=kind
[20:11] <lops> Hello all, i need help. I just installed Ubuntu matr 16.04.1 and when trying to use my scarlett solo the device shutdown itself when no audio available, but when i play any audio again it come back, why? it did not happen in ubuntu gnome. Thank you
[23:55] <mate|34290> Hi anyone home ?
[23:56] <Burazen> Hello
[23:56] <mate|34290> i am new
[23:56] <mate|34290> to this system
[23:57] <mate|34290> i am getting away from microsoft bull """"


[15:58]  * skaet waves
[15:59] <skaet> hiya Cimi,  welcome.  :)
[15:59] <Cimi> skaet, whanks :-)
[16:01] <skaet> #startmeeting
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Feb 10 16:01:09 2012 UTC.  The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:01] <arosales> Hello
[16:01] <arosales> o/
[16:01] <highvoltage> howdy
[16:01] <ogra_> yo
[16:01] <Cimi> ciao!
[16:01]  * stgraber waves
[16:02] <ScottK> o/
[16:02] <apachelogger> ahoy
[16:02] <skaet> welcome everyone.  :)   Lets get started....
[16:02] <skaet> [TOPIC] Release general overview - skaet
[16:02] <skaet> Please remember to .. when you're done, and o/ if you want us to pause. :)
[16:02] <skaet> Agenda can be found:
[16:02] <skaet> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-02-10
[16:02] <skaet> Individual team status links will be added to it from:
[16:02] <skaet> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/thread.html
[16:02] <skaet> .
[16:02] <skaet> Schedule is at:
[16:02] <skaet> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[16:02] <skaet> #link http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ubuntu-release-calendar/
[16:02] <skaet> .
[16:02] <skaet> Bugs committed to be fixed by the engineering teams can be found:
[16:02] <skaet> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html
[16:02] <skaet> Bugs that you would like the engineering teams to consider for fixing, should be assigned to specific teams, so they can be found.
[16:02] <skaet> .
[16:02] <skaet> .
[16:02] <skaet> Upcoming Dates:
[16:02] <skaet> - 2012/02/16 - Feature Freeze
[16:02] <skaet> - 2012/02/16 - 10.04.4
[16:02] <skaet> - 2012/06/23 - UserInterfaceFreeze
[16:02] <skaet> - 2012/06/23 - BetaFreeze at 2100 UTC
[16:02] <skaet> - 2012/02/02 - Beta 1
[16:02] <skaet> .
[16:03] <skaet> ***WORKITEMS:***  trend line has definitely improved overall. :D   Thank you!
[16:03] <skaet> Very much appreciate the effort over the last few weeks, and its lovely seeing all the features roll in.  Please keep up with the workitem updates, and marking things POSTPONED if they're not going to get done this release.
[16:03] <skaet> #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/
[16:03] <skaet> ..
[16:03]  * skaet just noticed cut and paste didn't have Feature Freeze time.
[16:03] <skaet> Feature Freeze is at 2100 UTC
[16:03] <skaet> any questions before heading in to round table?
[16:04] <skaet> [TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - mlegris
[16:04] <mlegris> ]link] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000819.html
[16:04] <mlegris> [link] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000819.html
[16:04] <mlegris> whoops :0
[16:04] <mlegris> weekly testing skipped in favor of A2 testing
[16:04] <mlegris> any questions?
[16:05] <mlegris> seeing none
[16:05] <mlegris> ..
[16:05] <skaet> Thanks mlegris!   appreciate you updating the bugs still found to precise.  :)
[16:05] <mlegris> np skaet :0
[16:05] <skaet> [TOPIC] QA team update -  jibel
[16:06] <jibel> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000817.html
[16:06] <jibel> questions/comments ?
[16:07] <jibel> ..
[16:07] <seb128> (hey, sorry I'm a bit late, I mixed utc,european times)
[16:07] <skaet> Thanks for the new report format jibel.   Looks good.  :)
[16:08] <skaet> and thanks for adding in the 10.04.4 smoke testing results.   Will look into DVD size issue with Daviey and pitti.
[16:08] <skaet> Thanks for flagging.
[16:08] <skaet> ..
[16:09]  * skaet doesn't see other questions.... moving on.
[16:09] <skaet> [TOPIC] Security team Q&A - mdeslaur
[16:09] <jdstrand> mdeslaur is off today, so I am here
[16:09] <jdstrand> [LINK]https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000810.html
[16:09] <jdstrand> Work is ongoing to complete feature by feature freeze, and that is looking good.
[16:09] <skaet> welcome jdstrand, and seb128 :)
[16:09] <jdstrand> Not much else to report. Any questions?
[16:09] <jdstrand> ..
[16:09] <jdstrand> skaet: thanks!
[16:10] <skaet> Thanks jdstrand,  no questions, nice that things are smooth for the features.  :)
[16:10] <skaet> ..
[16:10] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kernel team Q&A - ogasawara
[16:10] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000809.html
[16:10] <ogasawara> I was planning to upload 3.2.0-15.24 by end of day today, but now having
[16:10] <ogasawara> seen the planned gcc-4.6 update over the weekend I might wait to
[16:10] <ogasawara> upload on Monday.  This upload will contain a few fixes for CVE's,
[16:10] <ogasawara> resolve some external monitor issues wwith arrandale, and remove some
[16:10] <ogasawara> harmlessi, yet ominous, warning messages for xHCI.
[16:10] <ogasawara> Questions?
[16:10] <ogasawara> ..
[16:11] <skaet> Thanks ogasawara,  was going to ask if the gcc-4.6 upload was impacting you,  but you've answered.  :)
[16:11] <ogasawara> skaet: there's nothing critical that has to get out, so we can wait to upload
[16:11]  * skaet nods
[16:12] <skaet> I haven't seen anyone else comment on it,  on the list either,  so hopefully no one else impacted.
[16:13] <skaet> [TOPIC] Foundations team Q&A - stgraber
[16:13] <stgraber> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000813.html
[16:13] <stgraber> questions?
[16:13] <stgraber> ..
[16:14] <skaet> Thanks stgraber!   Any feature freeze exceptions being contemplated?
[16:14] <skaet> ..
[16:14] <stgraber> not that I'm aware of
[16:14]  * skaet likes that answer.  :)
[16:14] <skaet> thanks.
[16:15] <skaet> [TOPIC] Server team Q&A - arosales
[16:15] <arosales> Updated link
[16:15] <arosales> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000828.html
[16:15] <arosales> Work continues on OpenStack, and Juju-Jitsu landed to help with tool integration with Juju.
[16:15] <arosales> Also, OpenMPI packaging work is in danger of not making feature freeze. Major impact to anyone?
[16:16] <arosales> mainly affecting ARM
[16:16] <skaet> ogra_, ^ ?
[16:16] <ogra_> skaet, yes ?
[16:16] <arosales> #linkd https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-arm-openmpi
[16:17]  * ogra_ wonders what he is supposed to say, we will adapt to any arising probs as usual :)
[16:17] <skaet> thanks ogra_ just wanted to make sure you had a chance to pipe up.  :)
[16:17] <arosales> orga Do you know if OpenMPI is a critical package need?
[16:18] <ogra_> arosales, no, sorry, NCommander leads the server stuff, i dont have many infos
[16:18] <skaet> arosales,  how soon after FF is it likely to land?
[16:18] <NCommander> arosales: openmpi isconsidered extremely important
[16:18] <arosales> ogra_: ok, thanks. I'll be sure to touch base with NCommander and team.
[16:18] <ogra_> ah, there he is :)
[16:18] <arosales> ah  . . .
[16:19] <arosales> NCommander: I'll talk to you more offline, thanks for the update.
[16:19] <arosales> thats all I had for server, any questions/comments?
[16:19] <arosales> ...
[16:19] <skaet> Thanks arosales! :)
[16:19] <skaet> [TOPIC] ARM team Q&A - ogra_
[16:20] <ogra_> hi !
[16:20] <ogra_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000820.html
[16:20] <ogra_> there might additionally be some qemu changes that i didnt list (and sorry for the wrong date) ... they will only impact arm though
[16:20] <ogra_> ..
[16:20] <skaet> Thanks ogra_!
[16:21] <skaet> what's the status on armel vs. armhf?   we disabling armel soon?
[16:21] <ogra_> ask again next thu. :)
[16:21] <ogra_> but yeah, looks like it will be armhf
[16:21] <skaet> lol,  will do.
[16:21] <ogra_> ..
[16:21] <skaet> :)
[16:22] <skaet> any FF exceptions on the horizon?
[16:22] <ogra_> not that i know of atm
[16:22] <ogra_> but that doesnt mean much :P
[16:22] <skaet> okie.   thanks!
[16:22] <ogra_> ..
[16:22] <skaet> [TOPIC] Linaro team Q&A - fabo
[16:24] <skaet> hmm... will move on.
[16:24] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Team Q&A - seb128
[16:24] <seb128> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000824.html
[16:24] <seb128> New compiz will be uploaded RSN (Didier has a first version being tested in his ppa)
[16:24] <seb128> There is also a new unity planned for next week
[16:25] <seb128> otherwise we are mostly on track to land features on time
[16:25] <seb128> questions?
[16:25] <seb128> ..
[16:25] <seb128> RSN == monday most likely (if w.e ppa testing is good)
[16:25] <skaet> Thanks seb128!
[16:26]  * skaet likes earlier in the week the better.  :)
[16:27] <skaet> [TOPIC] Unity Framework Team Q&A - dbarth
[16:27] <dbarth> hi
[16:27] <skaet> :)
[16:27] <dbarth> status report at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:27] <dbarth> ie, what seb128 just said
[16:27] <dbarth> +
[16:27] <dbarth> the HUD is landed
[16:27] <dbarth> and the integrated menu mode is in 3D as well
[16:27] <dbarth> but not 2D, we'll need an FFE for it most probably
[16:28] <seb128> dbarth, the compiz and indicator-appmenu parts for integrated menu landed? where?
[16:28] <dbarth> this is a "big" bug fix, looking more like a last feature in fact
[16:28] <seb128> dbarth, the compiz version for monday doesn't have them...
[16:28] <Cimi> indeed, afaics unity doesn't have them too now
[16:28] <Cimi> next week?
[16:28] <dbarth> well, i'm told it's in 3d at least, but then the FFE may be bigger :/
[16:29] <skaet> How soon after FF is the 2D likely to land (ie. before Beta 1 or not?)
[16:29] <dbarth> ..
[16:29] <skaet> Thanks dbarth.  :)
[16:29] <dbarth> 2D was close to having it, ie for Thursday
[16:29] <dbarth> but we'd rather freeze earliy and deliver something solid
[16:30] <skaet> Thanks.  Appreciate the solid.   :)
[16:30] <seb128> didrocks says that the local menu should be integrated in compiz after the monday release
[16:30] <seb128> so I guess that's going to be a second compiz following up after the monday one
[16:31] <Cimi> makes sense
[16:31] <skaet> Thanks seb128, dbarth - that seems reasonable.
[16:31] <skaet> [TOPIC] Unity Services and Settings Team  Q&A - Cimi
[16:32] <Cimi> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000823.html
[16:32] <Cimi> I think it's mostly in the mail, general work in stabilizing and bugfixing indicators
[16:32] <Cimi> work on indicator printers
[16:33] <Cimi> improvements on the touch support
[16:33] <Cimi> any question?
[16:33] <Cimi> ..
[16:33] <skaet> Thanks Cimi!   Any FF exceptions being contemplated?
[16:33] <Cimi> skaet, not at the moment
[16:34] <Cimi> of course let's see local integrated menus and HUD
[16:34] <Cimi> when they will land
[16:35] <Cimi> all fine? cool
[16:35] <skaet> will follow up a bit more offline then.  :)
[16:36] <Cimi> ahah :)
[16:36] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team Q&A - ScottK or apachelogger
[16:36] <apachelogger> haven't done anything much useful.... still to be done before FF: telepathy (mostly finished), rekonq (pending packaging), owncloud, oxygen-gtk3 (waiting on a way to set GTK3 theme from KDE envrionment without messing up the setting for gtk using envrionments, which turns out to be a major pain as GTK3 failed to consider xdesktop setups entirely)
[16:37] <apachelogger> questions?
[16:37] <skaet> Thanks apachelogger!   Any FFE's looking necessary?
[16:38] <apachelogger> not at this point, unless the GTK3 stuff gets further delayed
[16:38] <skaet> ok,  thanks.  :)
[16:39] <skaet> [TOPIC] Edubuntu Team Q&A - stgraber or highvoltage
[16:39] <stgraber> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000812.html
[16:39] <stgraber> highvoltage: anything I forgot? ^
[16:40] <stgraber> ..
[16:40] <stgraber> oh, questions?
[16:40] <stgraber> ..
[16:40] <skaet> Thanks stgraber!  :)
[16:40] <skaet> same question for you here,  any FFE's on the horizon?
[16:41] <stgraber> nope
[16:41] <skaet> coolio.  :)
[16:41] <skaet> [TOPIC] Xubuntu Team Q&A - madnick
[16:42]  * skaet looks around for someone else from Xubuntu if madnick's not around?
[16:44] <skaet> hmm... not seeking ScottL/scott-work in the channel today either,  skipping Ubuntu-Studio too.
[16:44] <skaet> [TOPIC] Lubuntu Team Q&A - gilir
[16:44] <gilir> hi :)
[16:44] <skaet> :)
[16:44] <gilir> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000818.html
[16:44] <gilir> just to add that alternate installation is actually working
[16:44] <gilir> still testing but I'm sure it's a mess in lubuntu seed
[16:44] <gilir> ..
[16:45] <skaet> Thanks gilir!   good to hear its working now.
[16:45] <skaet> any FFE's looking likely?  or are you all set now for the release?
[16:46] <gilir> I should be able to upload all packages before FF
[16:46] <skaet> great.  :)
[16:46] <skaet> [TOPIC] MOTU Team Q&A - tumbleweed or Laney
[16:47] <skaet> or ScottK?
[16:47] <ScottK> Dunno.  I haven't been following things very closely this week.
[16:47] <Laney> Err, I wasn't prepared for this
[16:48] <Laney> But (a) I am considering a GHC transition along with iulian
[16:48] <Laney> (b) I recently got concerned about uninstallable packages so will be calling for help in fixing those sooni
[16:48] <Laney> ..
[16:49] <skaet> Thanks for the update Laney.  Yeah, I was also noticing we still have a few FTBFS...  be nice to get them cleaned up before the release, indeed.
[16:50] <Laney> that too
[16:50]  * Laney is off to Wales now, tara
[16:50] <skaet> [TOPIC] 10.04.4
[16:51] <skaet> Just a reminder we'll also be releasing 10.04.4 next week,  as well as feature freeze going on.    Daviey will be coordinating getting the images polished if you have questions.
[16:51] <skaet> (and I'll be involved too.... ;) )
[16:51] <skaet> ..
[16:51] <skaet> [TOPIC] Any other business, comments,  questions?
[16:52]  * MrChrisDruif just wants to thank everyone for their hard work
[16:52] <MrChrisDruif> Good work team!
[16:53] <skaet> Thanks MrChrisDruif.  :)   and I very much agree.  :D
[16:53]  * skaet looks around not seeing any o/...s
[16:53] <skaet> Thanks mlegris, jibel, jdstrand, ogaswara, stgraber, arosales, ogra_, NCommander, seb128, dbarth, Cimi, apachelogger, gilir, Laney, ScottK
[16:53] <skaet> #endmeeting
[16:53] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Feb 10 16:53:53 2012 UTC.
[16:53] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-10-16.01.moin.txt
[16:53] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-10-16.01.html
[16:53] <stgraber> thanks!
[16:53] <ogra_> thanks skaet !
[16:54] <jdstrand> thanks!
[16:54] <jibel> thanks skaet !
[16:54] <seb128> thanks skaet
[16:54] <arosales> skaet: Thanks for moderating :-)
[16:54] <skaet> :)
[16:55] <MrChrisDruif> Hurray, first comment in the...what meeting was it actually? Desktop?
[17:25] <skaet> MrChrisDruif, it was the weekly release meeting.  ;)
[17:26] <MrChrisDruif> skaet; Yeah, I looked it up in my agenda (which syncs with The Fridge)


[00:57] <solarcloud_3scrn> I was wondering how to install irissi on Ubuntu/Lubuntu ??
[01:00] <Unit193> solarcloud_3scrn: Open a terminal and type  sudo apt-get install irssi   that is if that's what you mean rather than irissi?
[01:01] <solarcloud_3scrn> k
[01:03] <solarcloud_3scrn> Yeah, Obviously I'm talking to a yank .. just says " E: Invalid operation Instal "  .. i think i need to build from source :(
[01:07] <Unit193> Yes, that's because you didn't type it right.   Has anyone else tried the same thing? What was the outcome?
[06:38] <mysteriousdaren> Auratic: why gnome? why not just lxde?
[06:39] <Auratic> That's how i ended it. I decided just to use lxde and not mess up my desktop.
[06:42] <mysteriousdaren> good, what else did you wanna do with it?
[07:22] <Globbits> hello world, any help available for lubuntu startup?
[08:22] <Globbits> is anyone here?
[08:58] <Name141> Lubuntu doesn't have LTS?
[12:21] <SAKKE_> I'm trying to boot from USB stick
[12:22] <SAKKE_> is it possible to make alternate version
[12:22] <SAKKE_> put alternate version to USB and boot from there?
[12:22] <SAKKE_> my old laptop only has 380MB RAM
[12:22] <SAKKE_> so i dont wanna use destop
[12:22] <SAKKE_> desktpo
[12:22] <SAKKE_> *desktop XD
[13:20] <auburtic_> where are System Settings on lubuntu?
[13:51] <maraz> A fresh install of Lubuntu 12.10 (x86) didn't detect a VGA CRT properly, so I made a script that sets up the proper resolution with xrandr and added it to lxsession's global autostart file. Now, sometimes when I log in, the desktop is rendered with a top and left offset, with the login screen background showing from the "margin". Right-clicking on the desktop is normal, but right-clicking on the margin brings up the window manager's menu.
[13:52] <maraz> Changing the resolution to something else and back to 1400x1050 is a workaround, as is logging out and in again.
[13:53] <maraz> My xrandr script is called last in the autostart file, could it be that the desktop is set up before that and thus rendered incorrectly?
[14:05] <max999> hi, if i use 'customize look and feel' and try to remove an icon theme, the application just closes (no crash / bug window though) without removing the icon theme. what can i do?
[14:08] <max999> if i try to 'sudo lxappearance' xserver hangs and i have to kill it from a tty =)
[14:12] <maraz> Hmm. What I previously described also happens without a xrandr script, on identical hardware (save for the working EDID in the monitor)
[14:14] <max999> if i run lxappearance from terminal (without sudoing it) i get a 'segfault' trying to remove a theme.. google has some replies to this, checking them atm
[14:15] <max999> ('segmentation fault (core dumped')
[14:56] <max999> anyone knows where does lxdm gets his profile list from? i just replaced lightdm with lxdm because lightdm is really ugly. it works fine, its just offering a lot of not installed DMs (GNOME-Stuff ..)
[14:57] <max999> looked in /etc/lxdm but the config files there dont contain the list.
[15:06] <max999> how can such a wide spread distro have such a weak support channel? thats not my first question not being answered and i noticed others seeking for help without reply too over the last days.
[15:13] <Akhilleus> c'è qualcuno che puo' aiutare una ragazza incapace con questo lubuntu????
[16:41] <Amgine> max999: there are 72 people in the channel; if someone sees your question *and* can answer it, they likely will. But it's all volunteers, all the time, here.
[16:43] <max999> amgine: im nevertheless pretty disappointed of the #lubuntu irc. i was on bodhi and mint before and even with less users, more answers were provided.
[16:44] <phiscribe> lubuntu being used a desktop is still a hobbyist pursuit with that level of support.  people in the channel are mostly hanging out or looking for tips.  sometimes that means they can help you.  but in no way is this ever going to be a place every question is answered.
 It's important to offer help when you can, with the caveat that often hobbyists are... misinformed.
[16:45] <max999> my comment was not usefull in any way though. its just hard to believe for me as i think lubuntu has way more users than bodhi ;-)

[16:47] <Amgine> Not everyone who uses knows about IRC, let alone hangs out here!
[16:47] <max999> is the forum a better place to get support for lubuntu?
[16:47] <Amgine> Dunno. I didn't know there was a forum.
[16:48] <max999> well ppl seem to tag lubuntu threads with [lubuntu] in the ubuntu main forum
[16:48] <Unit193> max999: What "profile list" and LXDM hasn't been used for a while, so less people would know.  (You can also try #ubuntu but they may as well not know)
[16:48] <max999> Unit193: figured this out myself in the meanwhile, it uses the files provided in some xsession folder.
[16:49] <max999> Unit193: thanks for the reply ;-)
[16:49] <max999> still having the segmentation fault on lxappearance though
[16:49] <max999> asked in #ubuntu and #lxde too without success.
[16:50] <max999> (i can just recommend lxdm so much, it looks way better than lightdm and has only 2 dependencies .. about 2 mb to download ..if someone cares ;))
[16:52] <maraz> I seriously dislike how *ubuntu handles monitors without valid EDID responses...
[16:52] <maraz> There *should* be a GUI tool for manual override, but there isn't
[16:52] <maraz> Serious usability issue!
[16:54] <max999> maraz: have you seen this thread? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=316985
[16:56] <maraz> max999: that won't really help in case the monitor doesn't report EDID correctly, which is more than likely the case here
[16:57] <maraz> that, or the chipset is corrupting it
[16:58] <max999> as far as i understand the thread, the more common problem seems to be a driver related mishandling of the edid response
[16:58] <maraz> besides, I would *still* have to create a xorg.conf, which is *really* a hassle for the average desktop user
[16:58] <maraz> especially if said xorg.conf won't work on the first try
[16:58] <maraz> max999: that is entirely possible, the hardware is intel i915-based
[17:00] <max999> maraz: you can get your monitors edid data here (instructions to get it): http://maxolasersquad.blogspot.co.at/2009/04/get-edid-information.html
[17:01] <max999> maraz: you can break it down to: sudo apt-get install read-edid
[17:01] <maraz> let's see
[17:02] <max999> maraz: use sudo get-edid | sudo -parse-edid then
[17:02] <max999> worked for me.
[17:02] <max999> (got some output ;-))
[17:05] <maraz> max999: nope, doesn't work
[17:05] <max999> maraz: is it reporting an error?
[17:06] <maraz> "Monitor and video card combination does not support DDC1/2 transfers"
[17:06] <max999> maraz: you could try connecting it via vga instead of .. whats the name .. ah u know .. or the other way
[17:06] <maraz> It is connected via VGA.
[17:06] <max999> try .. hdmi!
[17:06] <maraz> It's a CRT monitor
[17:07] <maraz> Connected to a IBM workstation which only provides VGA
[17:07] <max999> i did read something about different vga cables, some without the 12th pin or stuff in my 2 minute google research i just did
[17:07] <max999> and about kvm switches dont forwarding the edid data
[17:08] <maraz> The VGA cable could be the culprit. No KVM here.
[17:08] <max999> if avaible you could try another cable (not sure if this is the right path to investigate though)
[17:08] <max999> if not you could google the monitors specs
[17:08] <maraz> Still, my biggest problem isn't with the resolution (xrandr works), but having the desktop *sometimes* render incorrectly after logging in
[17:09] <max999> how?
[17:09] <max999> does it fix itself?
[17:09] <maraz> Logout/login and changing the resolution to something else and then back will fix it.
[17:09] <maraz> The desktop is rendered with an offset
[17:09] <maraz> It varies each time.
[17:10] <maraz> It's like the desktop area isn't rendered at x=0, y=0 at the top left, but some random non-zero values.
[17:10] <max999> would it help to script a resolution change at login time?
[17:10] <maraz> The margin displays the login screen background image and right-clicking on it displays the LXDM menu.
[17:11] <maraz> I already have a script like that. It's what changes the resolution to the correct one on login.
[17:11] <max999> and the problem occurs after ( / because) of the script or it solves the problem?
[17:11] <maraz> However, this problem persists on three workstations, all with the same hardware (save for the fact that one particular monitor is EDID-less)
[17:11] <maraz> Two of them don't even have the script.
[17:12] <max999> i doubt we find a solution =) maybe someone else can help.
[17:12] <max999> i just solved a very strange problem on my machine by changing distro by the way
[17:12] <maraz> I doubt it as well. I think it has something to do with the login screen having a different resolution than the desktop.
[17:13] <max999> could you resize the login screen?
[17:13] <maraz> The only way to change that, AFAIK, is to create a custom xorg.conf, which I wouldn't really want to do.
[17:14] <maraz> It's quite a bother on lubuntu, since if xorg.conf fails, ctrl+alt+1..8 _will not work_
[17:14] <maraz> The only way to reset it is to boot into recovery and manually remount the system partition with write enabled
[17:14] <phiscribe> perhaps using some type of asci logon
[17:15] <max999> maraz: i replaced lightdm with lxdm (for appearance reasons).. dunno if lxdm supports fixed resolutions though
[17:16] <maraz> I suppose that would be worth a try, but the option comes with a rather hefty CBA factor
[17:16] <maraz> (can't be arsed)
[17:16] <maraz> Anyway, thanks for the discussion.
[17:16] <max999> maraz: here they tweak ubuntu to set a resolution before the login happens (usually it happens after): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1544285
[17:17] <max999> written for lxdm but i think that doesnt matters.
[17:17] <max999> maraz: they write that xrandr kicks in after login usually
[17:18] <max999> maraz: well good luck
[17:19] <maraz> max999: I've found that via Google as well, but as I previously stated, the CBA factor is very high.
[17:19] <maraz> Especially when it doesn't guarantee success and may well render the system unusable for a while
[17:20] <max999> well crt monitors are rare this days (maybe except some expensive special ones) =)
[18:56] <caner> Hello
[18:56] <caner> I have a question.
[18:57] <TheLordOfTime> so ask it.
[18:57] <caner> I was planning to ask it, yeah :')
[18:57] <caner> So, I have since yesterday Lubuntu
[18:57] <caner> and when I'm playing Minecraft
[18:57] <TheLordOfTime> !enter | caner
[18:58] <caner> (that's a game, by the way for the people who don't know that), the W A S D keys are getting stuck every time. I've never had that problem on Windows.
[18:59] <caner> So for example, when I'm walking with the W-key and I'm letting it go so I can stop walking, he just walks till I click W again.
[19:00] <caner> And when I'm clicking like 6 times in a row, he just opens the settings.
[19:00] <caner> So is this a bug or is there something wrong with my settings?
[19:01] <TheLordOfTime> you're aware the enter key isnt punctuation right?
[19:01] <caner> Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm used to that haha
[19:01] <TheLordOfTime> i've noticed that as well, i think its an issue inside of Java
[19:02] <caner> Oh, great.
[19:02] <TheLordOfTime> but i also think minecraft's restrictified to sun java, so...
[19:02] <TheLordOfTime> not sure we can fix that here...
[19:02] <TheLordOfTime> which java are you running in Ubuntu?
[19:03] <caner> Java 6
[19:04] <caner> Sun-Java, to be specific.
[19:04] <TheLordOfTime> okay, that's nothing we can fix
[19:04] <TheLordOfTime> because Sun Java's closed-source
[19:04] <TheLordOfTime> s/sun/oracle/
[19:04] <caner> Oh, great..
[19:05] <TheLordOfTime> although i havent seen the bug in oracle java 7
[19:05] <TheLordOfTime> which version of ubuntu are you on
[19:05] <TheLordOfTime> s/ubuntu/lubuntu/
[19:06] <caner> Lubuntu 12.10
[19:06] <caner> The latest version.
[19:06] <caner> No, wait. 12.04
[19:07] <TheLordOfTime> how'd you get sun java 6 on your system...
[19:07] <TheLordOfTime> or did you upgrade from 11.10 or something
[19:07] <caner> I got it via a Minecraft installer.
[19:08] <caner> I'm working with (L)ubuntu since yesterday, so no I didn't upgrade it. I just downloaded Lubuntu at www.ubuntu-nl.org > download
[19:08] <TheLordOfTime> yeah, i don't trust minecraft installers
[19:08] <TheLordOfTime> just because.
[19:08] <TheLordOfTime> caner, ok, i'm going to give you a different set of instructions for you to try
[19:08] <TheLordOfTime> because i've run minecraft under Java 7 on linux without incident.
[19:08] <caner> Alright.
[19:08] <TheLordOfTime> and i've noticed *less* of the sticking issue in that.
[19:08] <TheLordOfTime> do you know how to open the command line?
[19:08] <TheLordOfTime> the terminal.
[19:09] <caner> Yep.
[19:09] <caner> I'm opening it now.
[19:09] <caner> Alright, opened.
[19:10] <TheLordOfTime> one moment while i type this all out
[19:10] <TheLordOfTime> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/java; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install oracle-java7-installer
[19:10] <TheLordOfTime> erm
[19:10] <TheLordOfTime> that was supposed to be a pastebin link
[19:10] <TheLordOfTime> one moment
[19:11] <TheLordOfTime> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1473760/
[19:11] <TheLordOfTime> do each of those commands
[19:11] <caner> Alright.
[19:11] <caner> One moment.
[19:11] <TheLordOfTime> (I add the first one because sometimes the system doesn't add theh package that has add-apt-repository)
[19:12] <TheLordOfTime> caner, what that does is it (1) adds a place which has a Java downloader/installer (no actual code though), (2) installs Java 7 to your system
[19:12] <TheLordOfTime> that should automagically do the plugin stuff too
[19:12] <TheLordOfTime> so it should all work and change default java to java 7
[19:12] <TheLordOfTime> (java 6 is no longer maintained)
[19:12] <TheLordOfTime> then see if it still has the sticky issue
[19:13] <caner> Alright
[19:13] <TheLordOfTime> java7 is a few magnitudes better with linux minecraft than java 6
[19:13] <TheLordOfTime> but its still closed-source.
[19:13] <TheLordOfTime> so... still nothing Ubuntu can fix.
[19:13] <TheLordOfTime> and Oracle's take:  "Works on Java 7 on Windows, works on our test systems, sorry!"
[19:13] <TheLordOfTime> s/Ubuntu/*buntu/
[19:13] <TheLordOfTime> (when I use "Ubuntu" i mean "Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Lubuntu, or Xubuntu")
[19:14] <caner> Lots of lines of code, haha
[19:15] <caner> It's a lot different than Windows :-P
[19:16] <caner> Alright, done. SHall I start Minecraft now?
[19:17] <caner> Oh, wait. He is installing some more haha
[19:18] <caner> He's done now for real, shall I start Minecraft now or do I have to take some more steps?
[19:24] <caner> So I started Minecraft, but it isn't working anymore :-(
[19:33] <caner> Are you still there?
[19:35] <TheLordOfTime> what's it saying
[19:35] <TheLordOfTime> yeah i'm here
[19:35] <TheLordOfTime> also multitasking
[19:35] <caner> It's giving me a black screen
[19:35] <caner> When I log in
[19:35] <TheLordOfTime> ah you know what, i saw that too, damn its going to force you to use java 6 isnt it
[19:35] <TheLordOfTime> i had to do some weird code changes
[19:36] <caner> Oh no :\
[19:36] <TheLordOfTime> you'll need to do java6 (uninstall the java7 installer, rerun your "minecraft installer")
[19:36] <TheLordOfTime> and then you'll just have to live with the sticking
[19:36] <caner> Alright.
[19:36] <TheLordOfTime> nothing we can do to fix it here
[19:36] <caner> Haha, but thanks
[19:36] <TheLordOfTime> sorry, i forgot the latest minecraft was weird with java 7
[19:44] <max999> i have a question of interest ..
[19:45] <max999> can anyone explain me, why my Acer Aspire One 756 is running perfeclty fine with lubuntu while it kept to randomly power off on, also ubuntu based, bodhi linux? =)
[19:45] <max999> bodhi based on the last LTS release though
[19:46] <TheLordOfTime> is that one the IRC actually is allowed to give support to?
[19:47] <TheLordOfTime> max999, i'm not sure, but this may apply...
[19:47] <TheLordOfTime> !derivatives
[19:47] <TheLordOfTime> i'm not sure whether that applies or not though.
[19:47] <max999> i dont think its off topic.
[19:48] <max999> im actually asking a 'why does lubuntu handle it fine' question ;)
[19:48] <max999> maybe just some better drivers in 12.10
[19:49] <max999> bodhi is on ubuntu 12.04 lts
[19:49] <max999> well im just curious
[19:49] <TheLordOfTime> no its not ubuntu
[19:49] <TheLordOfTime> its an unofficial derivative that may or may not have modified the repositories
[19:50] <TheLordOfTime> if it works on lubuntu, use lubuntu.
[19:50] <TheLordOfTime> if it doesn't work on bodhi, don't use bodhi
[19:50] <max999> ? bodhi is ubuntu 12.04 with enlightment window manager
[19:50] <TheLordOfTime> ...
[19:50] <max999> they use ubuntu ppas + some of their own for their own software
[19:50] <TheLordOfTime> i'm done.l
[19:51] <max999> ubuntu fork = ubuntu fork ;)
[19:51] <TheLordOfTime> ubuntu fork = nonsupported derivative
[19:51] <TheLordOfTime> unless its Kubuntu Xubuntu Lubuntu or Ubuntu
[19:51] <TheLordOfTime> or one of the other official derivatives.
[19:51] <max999> mr. correct to a dot ,)
[19:51] <max999> saying much to say less
[19:52] <TheLordOfTime> max999, Lubuntu's support and Ubuntu's support won't know why it is randomly powering off on bodhilinux.
[19:52] <TheLordOfTime> if you have a question about why something in bodhilinux doesn't work when ubuntu does, you should check with bodhilinux's support in #bodhilinux (here on freenode)
[19:52] <max999> they dont know.
[19:52] <max999> as it is ubuntu, someone here could know =)
[19:53] <max999> someone .. knowing.
[19:53] <TheLordOfTime> then i'm not able to help you
[19:53] <max999> thats okay
[19:53]  * TheLordOfTime walks off to play with php5 again, even though his eyes are bleeding because of it.
[20:26] <SAKKE_> any1 know whats wrong with my laptop? I Just installed lubuntu 12.10 and it doesnt boot at all
[20:27] <SAKKE_> it just turns on/off screen
[20:27] <SAKKE_> wtf
[20:40] <max999> sakke_: there is no error message?
[20:53] <max999> (repost from some hours ago..:) i get 'segmentation fault' when i run lxappearance (lubuntus 'customize look and feel'), trying to remove an icon theme.
[20:55] <SAKKE_> max999: nope
[20:56] <max999> sakke_: is it rebooting / powering off or staying on but turning off the screen?
[20:57] <SAKKE_> its not rebooting
[20:57] <SAKKE_> just turns on/off the screen
[20:59] <max999> after bios / efi?
[20:59] <SAKKE_> yes
[21:00] <max999> you checked if you accidently set your laptop to output to an external monitor?
[21:01] <SAKKE_> i dont think so
[21:02] <SAKKE_> i installed Xubuntu and it worked fine
[21:04] <max999> is the screen black or turned off?
[21:04] <max999> try to press escape plz
[21:09] <SAKKE_> tried
[21:15] <max999> hmm ok
[21:15] <max999> escape brought up grub for some on google
[21:15] <max999> try asking in #ubuntu maybe
[21:59] <cab> Hi, just asking if it's possible on pidgin to hide irc  status messages  like "(10:57:42 PM) delinquentme left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving)."
[21:59] <cab> or "(10:59:27 PM) maraz left the room."
[21:59] <cab> and so on ...
[21:59] <TheLordOfTime> cab, i dont think pidgin is smart enough to have that as a configurable option...
[22:01] <cab> nah don't be negative seems there is a plugin for that
[22:02] <cab> btw what ru using?
[22:07] <cab> sudo apt-get install pidgin-plugin-pack
[22:07] <TheLordOfTime> you mean what am i using for irc?
[22:08] <TheLordOfTime> $IRCClientOfChoice via an irc bouncer.
[22:08] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[22:08] <TheLordOfTime> (right now, irssi, but sometimes hexchat)
[22:11] <cab> I just need a lightweight one, pidgin is default
[22:14] <cab> ah irssi is a terminal based no thx
[22:14] <cab> he he
[22:18] <TheLordOfTime> cab, there's always xchat :P  oh, and my favorite: telnet xD
[22:18]  * TheLordOfTime kids
[22:18] <TheLordOfTime> i just don't like pidgin.
[22:18] <SAKKE_> ok
[22:19] <SAKKE_> i got the message now from lubuntu
[22:19] <SAKKE_> i reinstalled Lubuntu and now it says
[22:19] <SAKKE_> * starting crash report submission daemon
[22:19] <SAKKE_> *checking battery state
[22:20] <SAKKE_> *stopping system V runlevel compatibility
[22:20] <SAKKE_> *starting
[22:20] <SAKKE_> and then it just turns off the screen
[22:20] <SAKKE_> and then it shows cursror
[22:21] <max999> sakke_: still an improvement, you can enter grub now between bios and lubuntu and add some lines that could help you.
[22:22] <max999> sakke_: what to add depends on your video card (intel / nvidia?)
[22:22] <SAKKE_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1807612
[22:23] <SAKKE_> looks like its intel chipset which it does it
[22:23] <SAKKE_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1744681
[22:25] <max999> sakke_: press tab after bios to bring up grub, you can try failsafemode
[22:29] <SAKKE_> doesnt work
[22:30] <max999> ?
[22:30] <SAKKE_> i press tab
[22:30] <SAKKE_> doesnt do anything
[22:31] <max999> sakke_: try shift
[22:33] <SAKKE_> i've tried everywthing
[22:35] <SAKKE_> i pressed shift
[22:35] <SAKKE_> it says "grub loading"
[22:35] <SAKKE_> and waited a while
[22:35] <SAKKE_> then it started to swiching on/off screen
[22:35] <SAKKE_> again
[22:36] <max999> sakke_: if you make it to enter grub modify the startup options. depending on your video card.
[22:38] <max999> sakke_: if you can boot from a livecd you could try to edit grub settings from there
[22:45] <cab> Boot-Repair
[22:46] <cab> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[22:47] <max999> cab: its the 2nd fresh install for sakke :l
[22:51] <cab> I've also sometimes problems, when booting lubuntu 12.04, sometimes it ends with a black screen nothing happen, have to restart manually (or sometimes saw "alignment error" or something


[19:05] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: looking at: https://packages.ubuntu.com/groovy/python3-jack-client
[19:05] <OvenWerks> it looks like we have a problem
[19:06] <OvenWerks> two of the depends are listed as not available.
[19:09] <OvenWerks> it looks like it may be just the depends need to be adjusted? python3-cffi depends on: python3-cffi-backend so it may be that this package satisfies the two missing deps.
[19:50] <OvenWerks> well they could be adjusted because the depends are satified by another package which provides them.
[19:51] <OvenWerks> however, I think python3-jack-client needs to be repackaged to use the right include files
[21:56] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I don't know if you have seen the message on #ubuntustudio but belthesar[m] says rebuilding python3-cffi fixes the issue for him.
[22:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Ok, good to know.


[12:48] <ghost_> hi all
[12:48] <ghost_> I'm getting this error when trying to build an app: A required class is missing: org/apache/maven/archiver/MavenArchiveConfiguration
[12:49] <ghost_> how can i resove this? any help is appreciated
[12:49] <ghost_> i tried mvn install but no luck


[07:48] <dholbach> good morning
[07:49] <jibel> Good morning dholbach
[07:49] <pitti> hey dholbach
[07:49] <dholbach> hey jibel, hey pitti
[08:12] <Noskcaj> dholbach: thats the only thing said on the irc today lol
[14:48] <pitti> jibel: do you have some time to review/rollout https://code.launchpad.net/~matsubara/auto-package-testing/trigger-adt-test-support-ppa/+merge/131433 ?
[14:49] <pitti> jibel: it looks good to me, but I didn't want to do it last week while you were away
[14:49] <pitti> jibel: for rolling out, does that auto-pull on the server, or does that need to be done manaully?
[14:50] <jibel> pitti, I reviewed it during uds but didn't proceed with the merge. doing it now.
[14:50] <pitti> jibel: I'm looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/auto-package-testing/partial-fix-for-bug-1075976/+merge/133508
[14:50] <jibel> pitti, roll out are manual
[14:50] <pitti> jibel: unless you want to
[14:51] <jibel> pitti, I was wondering what the problem with eatmydata and upstart is
[14:51] <pitti> jibel: the bug says it's a red herring
[14:51] <pitti> jibel: (just saw)
[14:52] <pitti> jibel: I'll ask jodh if he still wants that, but even if not I'd take the typo fixes
[14:55] <pitti> jibel: settled; typo fixes committed
[14:56] <jibel> hooray for typo fixes \o/
[14:56] <pitti> Lauchpach!
[14:56] <pitti> (that sounds Klingon to me)
[20:26] <phillw> stgraber: can you ping me when you have minute to discuss a possible little bug on http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/admin/config/services/qatracker/testcases thanks.


[20:16] <teward> Fallen: i have something I *need* you to get on Mark's radar for rapid response
[20:16] <teward> you know what it's about, see your emails