[10:55] <ngomes> hello
[10:57] <ngomes> recently my printer broke and i disconnected it. now i want to stop cups with systemctl disable cups.service , it apllies the given command but when i reboot the service is always on. already tried chmod 000 cups.conf and related cups services but it always loads when computer boots ... any help ?
[11:00] <brainwash> ngomes: mask it instead -> systemctl mask cups.service
[11:00] <ngomes> hmmm ok , let me try
[11:01] <brainwash> this way you disable the unit completely
[11:02] <brainwash> run "systemctl unmask cups.service" to revert the change
[11:05] <ngomes> brainwash,
[11:05] <ngomes> ● cups-browsed.service                                                                                masked active running   cups-browsed.service
[11:05] <ngomes> ● cups.service                                                                                masked active running   cups.service
[11:05] <ngomes> but it says active running ...?!
[11:06] <ngomes> and port 631 still active , so i guess something is running
[11:07] <ngomes> gonna reboot to see what happens
[11:10] <ngomes> brainwash, ok reboot worked . thanks
[11:16] <janj> hello guys
[11:16] <knome> hello
[11:18] <janj> i recently have a problem when i disconnect my external diyplay. when i do the theme changes to the xfce default. standard is the xubuntu one of course. my version is 14.10
[11:19] <janj> i change the diyplay settings using the minimal settings window to the internal only and then disconnect. why is that?
[11:21] <knome> this is fixed in 15.04
[11:23] <janj> oh ok than i wait until i change my whole system to the coming LTS release
[11:24] <janj> thanks! I really like xubuntu for its nice look and feel ;) the mini iso thing is a cool idea i think!
[11:25] <knome> please note that you can't update to 16.04 directly from 14.10
[11:26] <knome> you have to go through 15.04 and 15.10
[11:27] <janj> no problem. i am a friend of clean installs when i upgrade to a very new version :)
[11:38] <janj>  /whois knome
[11:38] <knome> i am who i am
[11:59] <Guest15342> Hello can you help me?
[12:01] <noviceJ> hey
[12:01] <noviceJ> can you help me please
[12:02] <Guest15342> ?
[12:02] <flocculant> !ask
[12:03] <noviceJ> can you help me with the xfce panel? how can I place it below the screen?
[12:05] <flocculant> noviceJ: not sure I understand what you mean
[12:06] <noviceJ> is there any ways to place the panel at the bottom?
[12:07] <flocculant> yea - right click panel - panel preferences - unlock panel then grab it at end and move it
[12:07] <noviceJ> thanks
[13:05] <unpchar> Hello, I've installed matlab.. when I start the pc I have to do "cd /usr/local/MATLAB/MATLAB_Production_Server/R2013a/toolbox/distcomp/bin" and "sudo sh mdce start"
[13:05] <unpchar> How do I enable that command to start when computer starts
[13:06] <unpchar> ?
[13:30] <flocculant> unpchar: try http://askubuntu.com/questions/9853/how-can-i-make-rc-local-run-on-startup
[13:30] <flocculant> shouldn't need sudo though
[14:16] <subscious> hello. Will ubuntu-desktop start from lightdm?
[14:16] <knome> yes
[14:21] <subscious> knome: thank you.
[14:38] <subscious> knome: is ubuntu-desktop 14.04 a unityy variant?
[14:40] <xangua> the "default" ubuntu desktop uses unity, yes
[14:46] <subscious> xangua: thank you as well.
[14:55] <subscious> good bye.
[19:09] <xubuntu42w> I am taking an online class that requires a "quicktime" plug in and the most updated version of JAVA to access required video content for the class.  I am not computer savvy at all.  Normally I would have my roommate help me but he is in the hospital.  I believe I have installed the Ubuntu version of "quicktime", however, the content still does not play with a response indicated that I need to install a plug in.  Please help!  I
[19:10] <holstein> xubuntu42w: is there no lab at the school? that provides what you need?
[19:11] <holstein> xubuntu42w: you can try simply installing the "ubuntu-restricted-extras" package, which, may allow those sites to support your os..
[19:11] <holstein> i would read all of this, and see if it applies
[19:12] <holstein> xubuntu42w: i found that, when folks have this issue, i can typically hack at something for about 6 minutes and make it work.. but, leaving someone who is "not compupter savvy at all" with something that just works, reliably.. that can be tricky
[22:42] <nightwalkerkg> Sorry for asking, but is there a way to install KDE 5.4 on Xubuntu 14.04 ?
[22:42] <knome> nightwalkerkg, you should ask #kubuntu
[22:42] <nightwalkerkg> Oh, ok.
[22:43] <nightwalkerkg> Thanks for the info knome.
[22:43] <knome> no problem
[22:43] <xangua> You can install KDE yes, but why do you want to install something that just got out a week ago?
[22:43] <xangua> Not even a week ago, I'm not sure
[22:43] <nightwalkerkg> It dosen't have to be 5.4, i am ok with 5.3
[22:44] <nightwalkerkg> Or what is the latest stable.
[22:44] <xangua> That depends the Ubuntu release you're using
[22:44] <nightwalkerkg> It's Xubuntu 14.04.
[22:44] <knome> the people at #kubuntu really know this stuff better and can advise about caveats etc
[22:44] <nightwalkerkg> Yeah, asked there. Waiting for a response.
[22:45] <knome> technically, you can install whatever you want wherever you want if you are willing to work for it, but whether it is sensible or not is different
[22:45] <nightwalkerkg> I wanted to give xfce a chance, but it's just not my thing. :P
[22:46] <xangua> What's wrong with Xfce?
[22:46] <nightwalkerkg> But since i have about 40GB of repo stuff, and i am to lazy to do a backup and install kubuntu, i want to install it here.
[22:46] <knome> (that discussion sounds like it would fit better in #xubuntu-offtopic)
[22:46] <nightwalkerkg> xangua: Nothing, it's great for what is intended to, i just like to have much more freedom moding and customizing my DE.
[22:47] <nightwalkerkg> Yeah, sorry, switching to #kubuntu
[22:47] <xangua> Probably KDE wins in that, yes


[03:44] <galien1> anyone on
[09:20] <siaka> hi
[13:53] <galien1> hi
[13:53] <DarkPsydeLord> hi
[13:53] <galien1> whatcha doin
[13:53] <DarkPsydeLord> waiting for the time i get tacos
[13:54] <galien1> :/
[13:54] <galien1> u eating tacos m9
[13:54] <DarkPsydeLord> not yet im waiting for my tacos
[13:54] <DarkPsydeLord> maybe in an hour
[13:56] <galien1> ah lol
[13:56] <galien1> how do i play music through my speaker becasue they wanna play through the monitor
[13:56] <galien1> :/
[13:56] <DarkPsydeLord> changing the default output on your player?
[13:58] <galien1> im on ubuntu 14.04
[13:58] <ouroumov> galien1, you might have to switch monitor off in the sound settings.
[13:58] <ouroumov> DarkPsydeLord, you eat a lot of tacos.
[13:58] <DarkPsydeLord> i will ouroumov :D
[13:59] <DarkPsydeLord> tbh i eat tacos maybe 3 times a week
[13:59] <DarkPsydeLord> 🌮
[14:00] <ouroumov> Yeah that's what I meant, I remember reading something from you like a few days ago about eating tacos.
[14:00] <galien1> lol not workikng ouroumov
[14:00] <ouroumov> galien1, btw there is no officially supported version of Ubuntu MATE 14.04
[14:01] <galien1> im on ubuntu 14.04
[14:01] <ouroumov> And we don't support Ubuntu 14.04 here
[14:01] <galien1> oh lol 16.04
[14:01] <Lazerman> a4.04 should be end of life
[14:01] <ouroumov> Alright
[14:01] <DarkPsydeLord> hahaha well depending on the channel... if you happen to be at any of the archlinux channels im also in you might find i have an entire bot dedicated to my taco obsession
[14:02] <ouroumov> So galien1, is your monitor not listed in hardware tab of sound settings?
[14:02] <galien1> in which sound thingy like pulse audio or the default one
[14:02] <ouroumov> No the normal sound settings System -> Preferences -> Hardware -> Sound
[14:03] <Lazerman> tab near bottom set to hdmi
[14:04] <galien1> hmm mines application--->Sound & Video--->Sound
[14:06] <DarkPsydeLord> ouroumov, 🌮🌮🌮 theres a few tacos for you also
[14:07] <DarkPsydeLord> galien1, how many sound devices are listed there?
[14:07] <galien1> 2
[14:07] <DarkPsydeLord> which are?
[14:08] <Lazerman> Yummm tacos in my best Homer Simpsons voice
[14:08] <galien1> sony playstation \eye and my monitor
[14:08] <galien1> my speakers are in but i dont see them
[14:09] <Lazerman> do you have tab for outpur in sound
[14:09] <Lazerman> putput
[14:09] <DarkPsydeLord> output**
[14:09] <Lazerman> OUTPUT
[14:09] <Lazerman> :)
[14:09] <galien1> yes
[14:10] <Lazerman> sorry.. hardware tab  then profile..
[14:10] <KTrad> ouroumov, I remember after 14.10 release when wimpy was talking about 14.04 saying that he (and the Ubuntu MATE dev team) was planning on supporting it for the 5 years of the LTS is that no longer the case? I don't remember reading anywhere that that policy was changed/abandoned?
[14:11] <Lazerman> Make sure volume on tv is down
[14:11] <galien1> it has no speakers
[14:12] <DarkPsydeLord> Lazerman, 🌮🌮🌮
[14:12] <DarkPsydeLord> also wheres matey its being a while since i last see it
[14:13] <DarkPsydeLord> galien1, no analog devices?
[14:13] <galien1> it says monitor of bcm2835 ALSA Analog Stereo
[14:13] <ouroumov> KTrad, yeah I haven't heard that the policy had changed either, however you'll notice the download page on the website no longer lists 14.04 as an option.
[14:14] <KTrad> yea I did notice that and my thoughts were that the desktop releases only get 3 years now so maybe they did that and just dropped it?
[14:15] <ouroumov> KTrad, anyway by "officially supported" what I meant was that the 14.04 release dates from before Ubuntu MATE was an official Ubuntu derivative.
[14:15] <KTrad> Yea I got that
[14:15] <KTrad> I was just curious if it was no longer being supported by the Ubuntu MATE project as a whole
[14:15] <ouroumov> We should ask flexiondotorg
[14:15] <DarkPsydeLord> dont you find weird ubuntu has almost all derivatives but cinnamon?
[14:16] <KTrad> it's called mint :P
[14:16] <DarkPsydeLord> well mate was also mint...
[14:16] <KTrad> I was kidding haha
[14:16] <KTrad> you can install cinnamon in ubuntu though relatively easy
[14:17] <KTrad> and yea ouroumov we should just to clarify if it is ever brought up
[14:19] <DarkPsydeLord> i know its installable but i find weird almost every DE and WM is present as a flavor of ubuntu
[14:19] <DarkPsydeLord> but cinnamon is still neglected
[14:19] <KTrad> not really
[14:19] <ouroumov> Hm, I'm gonna reboot to load a newer kernel. bbl
[14:19] <KTrad> no openbox, i3, enlightenment etc
[14:19] <DarkPsydeLord> theres i3 and openbox
[14:20] <DarkPsydeLord> although i didnt see any jwm
[14:20] <KTrad> as a an ubuntu flavour? I don't think so
[14:20] <DarkPsydeLord> galien1, are you still fighting against your sound?
[14:21] <galien1> yep
[14:21] <DarkPsydeLord> KTrad, o not a flavor perse but they exist, i was trying to find a cinnamon oriented ubuntu since i find ironic that someday ubuntu cinammon will be more popular than mint
[14:21] <DarkPsydeLord> but i failed
[14:22] <DarkPsydeLord> galien1, so you said you didnt had any device listed there pointing at your speakers isnt it
[14:24] <KTrad> yea I odn't know of any but also don't know of any openbox ubuntu distros, and same for i3. Used to say crunchbang before they switched to debian then just stopped existing.
[14:24] <KTrad> don't*
[14:25] <DarkPsydeLord> bunsenlabs it is
[14:26] <galien1> yes dark
[14:27] <DarkPsydeLord> so what do you have listed in the output tab
[14:28] <KTrad> oh always use #!++ didn't know about bunsenlabs
[14:29] <DarkPsydeLord> KTrad, works great on slow machines
[14:31] <galien1> monitor and my camera
[14:31] <KTrad> yea will have to give it a go on an old macbook
[14:36] <DarkPsydeLord> also manjaro i3 flavor is awesome
[14:36] <KTrad> not a fan of manjaro
[14:37] <DarkPsydeLord> galien1, then archbang but i thing its dead
[14:37] <DarkPsydeLord> not galien sorry
[14:37] <DarkPsydeLord> that was ment for you KTrad
[14:37] <KTrad> yea I think that is dead
[14:38] <DarkPsydeLord> galien1, can i see a screen shot of what you are looking at? since i dont get how the camera is listed as an out for sound
[14:40] <galien1> its lested as an in
[14:40] <galien1> listed
[19:21] <Lazerman> !find directx
[20:00] <andrux> HELLO
[22:58] <mate|84199> hi


[07:18] <davey486> anyone here
[07:59] <kyew> running mythtv 0.26 and had front end running on another box and suddenly today it no longer will connect. Updates ran on the mythbuntu backend last night but I have no idea what might have changed...?
[10:34] <TandyUK> guys... mythbuntu 12.04.1 iso. is that a live cd/dvd?
[12:27] <TandyUK> guys... mythbuntu 12.04.1 iso. is that a live cd/dvd?
[12:27] <TandyUK> anyone here, or nobody knows??
[13:59] <sabhain> TandyUK: I do believe it is a live cd
[14:20] <rhpot1991> TandyUK: yes i tis
[15:58] <TandyUK> a pretty useless live cd yeah....
[15:58] <TandyUK> my backend is running an up to date 0.26 mythtv
[15:59] <TandyUK> the live cd needs a newer database version, which gets about 400 meg of updates, including kernel, x, etc
[15:59] <TandyUK> so different question..
[16:00] <TandyUK> is it possible to do a network install of an up to date ubuntu 12.04 with mythtv 0.26
[16:01] <TandyUK> i guess youdneed to add the update repos at the point of setup so it can just grab the latest version
[17:36] <TandyUK> anyone here ever ripped vhs videos to digital using mythtv
[17:37] <TandyUK> i have a nova-t 500 in one of my frontends, which i have 2 vhs recorders attached to
[17:38] <TandyUK> i guess ill need to somehow add the s-video input #1 and #2 as channels on the (secondary) backend, so mythth can be set to record for a fixed time, syncronized with pressing the play button
[18:14] <TandyUK> ok, heres one for the devs...
[18:14] <TandyUK> when you freshly install a mythbuntu machine, on first boot it auto starts the frontend, which then asks for language and database settings
[18:15] <TandyUK> now i need to update to 0.26 and reboot before i can actually connect to my backend
[18:15] <TandyUK> if i cancel,the frontend exits with status 130
[18:15] <TandyUK> which is detected as a crash and it auto restarts
[18:16] <TandyUK> how do i close the frontend until ive got it all up to date?
[18:16] <rhpot1991> TandyUK: ssh in and kill it?
[18:16] <rhpot1991> I normally ssh in, upgrade, then reboot
[18:22] <TandyUK> nah im doing this on site for once, want the customer to see what actually goes on
[18:22] <TandyUK> but yeah i sshed and killed it :)
[18:23] <TandyUK> the cust has a load of old vcrs which he wants to burn to archive, and burn some on to dvd
[18:32] <tgm4883> don't start the frontend before you upgrade to 0.26?
[18:32] <tgm4883> why do you have to reboot?
[18:32] <tgm4883> oh wait
[18:32] <tgm4883> I thought you were talking about the live cd for some reason
[19:00] <TandyUK> i think the livecd should have a few newer builds, like 0.25 i386/x64 and 0.26 i386/x64
[19:00] <TandyUK> im sure whatever script handled it could do a 0.27 beta iso too
[19:01] <TandyUK> or perhaps just have a single livedvd
[19:07] <rhpot1991> TandyUK: they get whatever was available when they were spun
[19:07] <rhpot1991> it is easy enough to add the updates repos and update it, then run the latest
[19:13] <TandyUK> yeah just annoying and time consuming when on site, and you have a perfectly good 100mb link back at the office...
[19:13] <TandyUK> the site has like 6mb
[19:13] <TandyUK> machine is now up tho with mythtv setup connected to the master backend
[19:14] <TandyUK> so now to get my 2 svideo inputs working and hooked up to channel numbers
[19:44] <TandyUK> ok any ideas how i do that?
[19:44] <TandyUK> i have added the cards, added a listing source for each vcr
[19:45] <TandyUK> connect the input (Svideo1) to the source, and it wants me to scan for channels
[19:45] <TandyUK> at which point it tries tuning the card rather than just using the inout
[19:46] <tgm4883> TandyUK, I haven't set up svideo input in a long time, but it sounds like you didn't connect the right stuff up in mythtv-setup
[19:46] <tgm4883> TandyUK, although there is probably some better software for doing what you want anywy
[19:46] <tgm4883> since you will need to have it fake a channel, et
[19:47] <TandyUK> yeah thats what i dnt know how to do
[19:47] <TandyUK> the end result just needs to be super simple
[19:47] <tgm4883> TandyUK, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/S-Video/Composite_Input_Recording
[19:47] <tgm4883> should be similar
[19:48] <TandyUK> ty, btw wtf did you google to get that?
[19:48]  * TandyUK has been looking for hours lol
[19:48] <tgm4883> mythtv svideo input
[19:48] <tgm4883> first link
[19:49]  * tgm4883 goes to get lunch
[20:39] <TandyUK> ok well progress, but when i try to watch channel 199 (what i used as the number)
[20:39] <TandyUK> the tuner is already watching channel X on a different card (and different backend)
[20:40] <TandyUK> when i change to 199, i get told
[20:40] <TandyUK> MythTV is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected. .....
[20:46] <tgm4883> TandyUK, does the mythweb say it's in use?
[22:44] <TandyUK> ok sorte at last
[22:44] <TandyUK> i have composite inputs working giving me a colour picture
[22:44] <TandyUK> however i have no sound
[22:44] <TandyUK> the only choice in getting in mythtv-setup is alsa:default
[22:45] <TandyUK> its a pvr-500 card
[22:46] <TandyUK> ok found its wiki page
[22:53] <TandyUK> ok regarding the sound (on a page talking about 0.20) the fixes involve using ivtvctl which is not installed by default
[22:53] <TandyUK> any reason this is not there by default (any more?)
[23:16] <TandyUK> mpegrecorder.cpp:635 (GetFilteredAudioSampleRate) MPEGRec(/dev/video1): Audio sample rate 32000 Hz#012#011#011#011is not supported by ivtv driver, using 48000 Hz instead.
[23:17] <TandyUK> i have no idea where it would be getting 32khz from, all settings i saw i left at the defaults, but i thought they were all 4xxxx


[00:58] <proctrap> anyone got the same bug that chaning the virtual desktop can make the start menu unusable ?
[00:59] <proctrap> *changing
[04:03] <metalbiker> does anybody know how to have running indicators like in gnome? where there's dots/dashes/bars above the icon of the open/running program instead of having a window indicator box in the panel?
[06:14] <soda_bot> hello. does someone know how to change the 'touchpad middle click closes tab in chrome' ?
[06:15] <soda_bot> is this chrome specific or is present in kde ?
[06:15] <soda_bot> and is there a way to switch off this behaviour ?
[06:24] <soda_bot> any ideas ??
[07:33] <jack_> kde is the shit am i right or am i right
[09:36] <gio> 1list
[09:36] <gio> hello
[09:36] <gio> list
[09:37] <gio> !list
[10:50] <BluesKaj> ;Morning folks
 hi, does anyone knows if preload have some effect on kde with an ssd?
[18:44] <meme> hello
[18:45] <meme> i am using the chat in the terminal
[18:45] <meme> with WeeChat
[19:34] <nano> hello
[21:19] <Andrew_R> is piratebay dead? damn... just got a vpn...
[21:20] <Unit193> Is it ever?
[21:21] <Andrew_R> I can't get through to it. not sure what the deal is
[21:21] <Andrew_R> new to VPN
[21:23] <Andrew_R> I can surf on the web and everything and chat here over it, but pirate bay seems messed
[21:33] <personman_145> I feel VPN brave now... might go try to hack russia
[21:34] <personman_145> I don't think we (the US) stand a chance in cyber warfare cause our people are too stupid. hardly any new scientists and engineers
[21:35] <personman_145> We don't want us no thinkers... :P
[21:36] <personman_145> #MAGA
[21:36] <krytarik> personman_145: It would seem this lacks any relation to the topic of this channel.
[21:37] <personman_145> I didn't mean to interrupt. I suppose we could all go back to idling together...
[21:37] <krytarik> Yes, please.
[21:38] <juacom99> hi, one question is there any latte-dock support chat in freenode?
[21:45] <krytarik> juacom99: Doesn't look like, so I suggest either here or in #kde
[21:47] <juacom99> thanks krytarik, the right click stop working i can't get to the config menu
[22:00] <phoenix_firebrd> clear
[22:00] <phoenix_firebrd> lol, feeling sleepy, felt like bash


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[06:36] <soyeomul> 벼르고 벼르다가 오늘 데비안 제시에 아얄씨 클라이언트를 깔았씁니다
[06:37] <soyeomul> 데비안 위키에 갔다가 예전에 쓰던 엑스챗이 헥스챗으로 바뀌었다고 해서 그거 깔았네요
[06:38] <soyeomul> 크롬북 해상도가 너무 크서 글자가 쪼매하게 나와서 글자크기를 좀 더 키우고 불필요한 맞춤법 체크는 다 해체하고 했어요
[06:38] <soyeomul> 한글이 잘 보여야 할텐데...
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[06:59] <soyeomul> 재접했네요 헥스챗 설정 좀 손보고 들어왔어요~
[07:10] <soyeomul> 다시 우분투로 가야것네여
[07:10] <soyeomul> 꾸벅
[08:41] <icee4> After acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[08:41] <bolt28> After acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[08:55] <m4v16> After acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[09:05] <dysfigured3> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[09:05] <dysfigured3> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[09:05] <dysfigured3> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
[09:05] <dysfigured3> Even christel, the freenode head of staff is actively peddling this scam https://twitter.com/christel/status/1025089889090654208
[09:09] <Connection> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[09:09] <Connection> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[09:50] <DarkCircle> 흠 근데 여기 채널 방장권한 누가 가지고 계시죠?
[09:51] <DarkCircle> 아직은 한분만 가지고 계신걸로 아는데 (...)
[09:51] <DarkCircle> ;
[09:54] <boser1> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[09:54] <boser1> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[09:54] <boser1> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
[10:17] <bigpresh22> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[10:47] <MartesZibellina> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[10:49] <ihavoc> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[11:13] <hola> 안녕하세요
[11:19] <Boohbah> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
 프리노드에 올라오는 스팸 관련 공지가 이미 올라와 있었네요. https://freenode.net/news/spambot-attack
[12:08] <Exaeta> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[12:42] <Guest32399> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[13:16] <SporkWitch6> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[13:16] <SporkWitch6> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[13:43] <icywiz5> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[14:01] <soyeomul> 안녕하세요
[14:02] <soyeomul> 접때 데비안 제시 lxde 시작할때 에러 팝업창.
[14:03] <soyeomul> 그 문제 해결했습니다. 데비안 사용자 Reco씨가 메일링에서 해결책을 주셔서 이제 에러 팝업창 안뜹니다
[14:05] <soyeomul> 답장이 두번 갔네요 이궁,,,
[14:06] <soyeomul> 존 밤 되시어요~
[14:06] <soyeomul> 꾸벅
[14:07] <boser18> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[14:07] <boser18> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[15:00] <eth214> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[15:43] <Yes_ma`am> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[15:54] <tasse23> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[16:06] <Checking> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[16:18] <xfil> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[16:20] <Andre483> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[16:54] <issyl06> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[16:56] <ahoops> 고놈들 참;
[17:30] <GingerGeek0> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[17:55] <Hobby21> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[18:24] <raynold> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[19:46] <Zuu_> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[20:09] <Guest60299> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[20:50] <olspookishmagus1> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[21:26] <tharkun25> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[21:27] <dirtyroshi> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[21:27] <dirtyroshi> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[21:38] <TBloemink18> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[21:38] <TBloemink18> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[21:48] <ripdog1> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[21:48] <ripdog1> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[21:48] <RustyJ19> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[22:12] <matlock> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[22:52] <frmus23> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[22:52] <frmus23> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[23:11] <Nakato1> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[23:16] <quhe2> where can i ask for a quick help with korean (language)?
[23:17] <quhe2> (1 minute)
[23:19] <quhe2> any native korean here who believes in helping someone just for the sake of helping someone?
[23:52] <cheapie20> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/


[00:15] <FuZi0N> I have a folder with around 4500 subdirectories. How can I delete all subdirectories that are smaller than 100 MB?
[01:01] <JanC> I'm pretty sure all those subdirectories are smaller than 100MB  :)
[01:02] <JanC> but I guess you mean the files inside them
[01:03] <JanC> you could script it in bash using a tool like 'du'
[08:25] <zetheroo> I need help with getting an mdadm raid to boot. power was lost on the server and when restored the OS would not boot. After POST all I see is a blinking cursor on a black screen.
[08:28] <zetheroo> I did 'grub-install' on both disks from an Ubuntu live session but now get errors when booting and end up in grub rescue
[08:30] <RoyK> zetheroo: first up, which versions of things are you running? can you see both drives if booting up on a rescue usb thing? do you see any issues in smart data on the drives?
[08:30] <RoyK> also, do you have a backup?
[08:31] <zetheroo>  RoyK: I have both disks (SSDs) attached to my PC via USB dock at the moment
[08:31] <zetheroo> https://pastebin.com/K62C604U
[08:31] <zetheroo> the disks are both less than a month old
[08:32] <zetheroo> one of the errors when booting is 'unknown filesystem'
[08:36] <zetheroo> no, we don't have a current backup
[08:38] <RoyK> what does lsblk have to say?
[08:38] <RoyK> the age of the drives is generally irrelvant - drives can fail at any time
[08:39] <zetheroo> https://pastebin.com/ePn3BQ6t
[08:39] <RoyK> please pastebin output of "smartctl -a /dev/sdX"
[08:40] <RoyK> erm - nothing on the raid? is lvm installed on the machine?
[08:40] <RoyK> also, please don't use pastebin.com - it's spammy - https://paste.ubuntu.com/ or similar is quieter and works well ;)
[08:41] <zetheroo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vff6PvF8bW/
[08:42] <zetheroo> not sure about the LVM question - but very likely.
[08:42] <RoyK> type 'vgs'
[08:43] <zetheroo> no output
[08:43] <RoyK> looks like the drives are new-ish - only been running for a week or so
[08:43] <zetheroo> lvm2 was not installed on my PC so just installed it
[08:43] <zetheroo> yep
[08:44] <RoyK> pvscan
[08:44] <zetheroo>   No matching physical volumes found
[08:44] <RoyK> just to check if there's some lvm stuff there
[08:44] <RoyK> oh
[08:44] <RoyK> could it be zfs?
[08:44] <zetheroo> hmm ...
[08:44] <RoyK> not likely
[08:44] <RoyK> since there's md0
[08:45] <RoyK> there really should be something visible there
[08:45] <RoyK> was this setup with crypto or something?
[08:45] <zetheroo> no crypto
[08:51] <zetheroo> is there a way to mount the disk?
[08:52] <zetheroo> maybe it's better to get all the critical data out and just do a fresh install
[08:52] <RoyK> there should be, but before that, you should see partitions/filesystems
[08:52] <RoyK> and it's very strange that lsblk shows none
[08:53] <RoyK> erm
[08:53] <RoyK> osprober-linux-sda1
[08:53] <RoyK> what is that?
[08:54] <zetheroo> no idea ... looking it up
[08:54] <zetheroo> https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/discussions/9801
[08:54] <zetheroo> ZOL ...?
[08:55] <RoyK> I hope not
[08:55] <RoyK> zfs on top of mdraid sounds like a bad dream
[08:55] <RoyK> or a badtrip
[08:56] <RoyK> what does 'file -s /dev/md0' have to say?
[08:57] <zetheroo> /dev/md0: Linux rev 1.0 ext4 filesystem data, UUID=99f7fdf9-6f9a-4069-856e-4db4c529741e (needs journal recovery) (extents) (64bit) (large files) (huge files)
[08:57] <RoyK> hm - try to mount it somewhere
[08:58] <zetheroo> should I mount md0 or the individual disks?
[08:58] <RoyK> md0
[08:58] <RoyK> the mirror seems to be in sync after all
[09:01] <zetheroo> mount: /mnt/raidarray: cannot mount /dev/md0 read-only.
[09:01] <zetheroo> mounting via fstab with:
[09:01] <zetheroo> UUID=99f7fdf9-6f9a-4069-856e-4db4c529741e  /mnt/raidarray ext4 defaults 0 0
[09:02] <oerheks> read only, sounds like a dirty filesystem
[09:04] <RoyK> oerheks: it is - it said above - power failure
[09:04] <zetheroo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/J7BwF4RMm6/
[09:05] <RoyK> zetheroo: any valuable data on it?
[09:05] <zetheroo> yep  -  it was our monitoring server :(
[09:05] <RoyK> zetheroo: not to rub it in, but try to use a backup next time ;)
[09:05] <zetheroo> and it had no redundant PSU 😲
[09:05] <RoyK> zetheroo: keep a backup anyway
[09:06] <RoyK> two backups, preferably, at least
[09:06] <zetheroo> yes, I know ... very bad practice with that :(
[09:06] <RoyK> anyway
[09:06] <RoyK> what does /proc/mdstat have to say now?
[09:07] <zetheroo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gp4KnDYSSs/
[09:07] <RoyK> you might need to issue a raid sync/repair
[09:07] <RoyK> echo repair > /sys/block/md0/md/sync_action
[09:08] <zetheroo> bash: /sys/block/md0/md/sync_action: Permission denied
[09:08] <RoyK> 'sudo -i' first
[09:08] <zetheroo> ok, no output
[09:08] <RoyK> check mdstat
[09:09] <RoyK> it shouldn't take too long on a small ssd mirror
[09:09] <zetheroo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sNhRTr4PNh/
[09:10] <zetheroo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7WcdJM8xPT/
[09:12] <RoyK> try to stop it and reassemble
[09:12] <RoyK> mdadm --stop /dev/md0 ; mdadm --asseble --scan
[09:12] <zetheroo> mdadm: /dev/md/0 has been started with 2 drives.
[09:13] <RoyK> checkk mdstat
[09:13] <zetheroo> md0 : active (read-only)  ...
[09:13] <RoyK> anything interesting in dmesg?
[09:13] <RoyK> dmesg -T to get proper timestamps
[09:14] <zetheroo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZGPRcFTDvC/
[09:17] <RoyK> stop it again and try 'mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 --run'
[09:17] <RoyK> never seen it go into read-only mode like that before
[09:17] <zetheroo> oh ... I got it to mount
[09:17] <zetheroo> at least I think so ... it's mounted read-only though
[09:18] <zetheroo> UUID=99f7fdf9-6f9a-4069-856e-4db4c529741e	/mnt/raidarray	ext4	noload	0	0
[09:18] <zetheroo> used the noload option
[09:18] <zetheroo> is that ok, or should I unmount it?
[09:18] <RoyK> good, get the data off the system first
[09:18] <zetheroo> after mount - a I see 'mount: /mnt/raidarray: WARNING: device write-protected, mounted read-only.'
[09:19] <RoyK> did you try with --run?
[09:19] <zetheroo> no, should I unmount it and do that?
[09:20] <RoyK> try to umount, stop and reassemble with --run to see if it gets up without readonly
[09:20] <zetheroo> ok
[09:21] <zetheroo> md0 : active (read-only)
[09:21] <RoyK> esc
[09:21] <RoyK> sec
[09:21] <zetheroo> k
[09:23] <RoyK> hm - you might want to try mdadm -w /dev/md0
[09:23] <zetheroo> mdadm: failed to set writable for /dev/md0: Read-only file system
[09:24] <RoyK> do you have another disk around to test if drives plugged into that thing become writable?
[09:24] <zetheroo> oh, you mean the USB dock might be the problem?
[09:25] <RoyK> I have no idea, but I've never seen disks struggle with getting read-write like this
[09:25] <zetheroo> ok, will try another disk in the same USB dock ...
[09:27] <zetheroo> plugged in another disk and it seems to also be read-only
[09:28] <zetheroo> although root can write to it ...
[09:29] <RoyK> weird
[09:30] <RoyK> what's in dmesg?
[09:31] <zetheroo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bJhhhSQ9K6/
[09:31] <zetheroo> I plugged in the two md0 SSDs again
[09:31] <RoyK> [Mi Dez 23 10:30:06 2020] sd 1:0:0:1: [sdd] Write Protect is off
[09:32] <RoyK> that's good
[09:32] <RoyK> what happens if you reassemble the raid?
[09:33] <zetheroo> not sure how to do that ... looking it up ...
[09:34] <RoyK> mdadm --assemble /dev/md0
[09:34] <RoyK> or mdadm --assemble --scan
[09:35] <RoyK> if there's an md0 already, --stop it
[09:36] <zetheroo> hey
[09:36] <zetheroo> md0 : active raid1 sdd1[2] sdc1[3]
[09:36] <RoyK> :)
[09:36] <RoyK> now try to mount it, get the data off and fsck it
[09:37] <RoyK> normally just mounting it should take care of those things missing
[09:37] <RoyK> it's jouranlled after all
[09:37] <zetheroo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/khs8B4FQfD/
[09:37] <zetheroo> ok
[09:37] <RoyK> did it mount?
[09:38] <oerheks> clean, active ync, sounds good
[09:39] <zetheroo> yes, it mounted with 'defaults' in fstab
[09:40] <RoyK> you may want to umount it and fsck it just for kicks
[09:40] <zetheroo> but first get the data off, right? or is fsck safe ...?
[09:40] <RoyK> should be safe
[09:41] <RoyK> can you pastebin lsblk output again?
[09:43] <zetheroo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5CCxVbRx89/
[09:43] <zetheroo> I'm grabbing the data just to be safe ...
[09:44] <zetheroo> and then 'fsck /dev/md0' ?
[09:44] <RoyK> looks good
[09:44] <RoyK> just umount before fsck
[09:44] <zetheroo> ok
[09:45] <RoyK> it won't let you fsck a mounted filesystem unless you --force it, which is generally an extremely bad idea ;)
[09:58] <zetheroo> ok .. unmounted and going to run fsck on it
[09:59] <zetheroo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bTTwJFcCsq/
[10:19] <zetheroo> where to now? :)
[10:25] <zetheroo> RoyK: are you still there?
[11:59] <zetheroo> Btw ... I ended up trying Boot Repair on it from an Ubuntu Live Session .. and it's fixed :)
[13:37] <tieinv>  /part
[14:18] <jink> Is it safe to do-release-upgrade to 20.04.1 LTS yet? :D
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> !20.04
[14:29] <ubot3> Ubuntu 20.04 (Focal Fossa) is the 32nd release of Ubuntu and is the current !LTS release. Download at https://ubuntu.com/download - Release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes
[15:01] <andol> Someone should maybe update ubot3 to not refer to Ubuntu 20.04 as an !LTS release?
[15:01] <jink> !LTS
[16:49] <juliank> !20.10
[16:49] <ubot3> Ubuntu 20.10 (Groovy Gorilla) is the 33rd release of Ubuntu and is the current regular release. Download at https://ubuntu.com/download - Release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GroovyGorilla/ReleaseNotes
[16:49] <juliank> andol: But ... 20.04 is an lts release
[17:02] <mybalzitch> dang, 33 releases of ubuntu already
[17:13] <andol> juliank: Yes, and hence not a !LTS release.
[17:13] <juliank> andol: ! is like a hashtag
[17:13] <juliank> it's like saying it's the current #LTS release
[17:13] <mybalzitch> is systemd-resolve supposed to completely ignore my secondary nameserver entry?
[17:13] <juliank> !LTS
[17:14] <juliank> arguably ubot3 does not implement the LTS command right now
[17:16] <genii> !lts
[17:16] <genii> Hm
[17:17] <andol> juliank: Yeah, but given the meaning a ! prefix generally has I'd say the result just ends up being somewhat confusing.
[17:33] <mybalzitch> lol, now netplan isn't respecting the routes I've defined. so glad we left ifupdown that acutally worked for this.
[17:37] <mybalzitch> goddamn bugs in 18.04
[18:53] <teward> mybalzitch: if you don't have a question then please don't rant.
[18:53] <teward> as for netplan not respecting the routes you've defined that USUALLY means your routes are wrong
[18:54] <mybalzitch> teward: its a confirmed bug in 18.04 of netplan not applying changes properly, and I'll rant all I like thanks very much
[18:54] <teward> no, you won't, not here you won't anyways.  This is a support channel, not a rant channel.
[18:54] <teward> you can take your rants elsewhere.
[18:54] <mybalzitch> okay
[22:35] <DeeJayTwo> hi
[22:35] <DeeJayTwo> I need to restart a service each 5 minutes
[22:35] <DeeJayTwo> I made a script with service service_name restart
[22:35] <DeeJayTwo> and set to restart each 5 minutes
[22:35] <DeeJayTwo> I know it runs fine cause another line in the script is running
[22:35] <DeeJayTwo> but the service command doesn't seem to work
[22:36] <DeeJayTwo> any idea?
[22:39] <tds> DeeJayTwo: are you running this script from cron or something similar?
[22:50] <oerheks> use a systemd unit, like this? https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/265619 where RestartSec=300s ofcourse


[00:04] <tomreyn> hi, i'm trying to understand why there is no libopenal1-dbg in trusty, but can't seem to find any info on it: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libopenal1-dbg
[00:15] <rbasak> tomreyn: looks like it's built without debug info before the package build stripping gets to it.
[00:15] <rbasak> Changing -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release for -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=RelWithDebInfo might help. I'm not sure though.
[00:16] <rbasak> "libopenal1 is already stripped, ignoring" is the hint I'm basing my hypothesis on.
[00:16] <tomreyn> rbasak: where do you see this?
[00:17] <rbasak> In the build logs.
[00:17] <rbasak> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/108030443/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-amd64.openal-soft_1%3A1.14-4ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[00:18] <tomreyn> thanks. i would not have known how to find this (how did you?)
[00:18] <tomreyn> this says "quantal" though?
[00:19] <tomreyn> same version as trusty though
[00:19] <rbasak> Start from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+package/libopenal1
[00:20] <rbasak> (since that's the information you know - release and binary package name)
[00:20] <rbasak> Click through to source package: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openal-soft/1:1.14-4ubuntu1
[00:20] <rbasak> You can see the build information there, per architecture.
[00:21] <rbasak> It was built back during the Quantal development cycle, and the binary got copied forward through to Trusty since it didn't change since then.
[00:21] <rbasak> If the published version number is identical, the published binary is identical.
[00:22] <tomreyn> openal-soft (1:1.14-4ubuntu1) quantal; urgency=low
[00:22] <tomreyn>   * Merge from Debian testing.  Remaining changes:
[00:22] <tomreyn>     - Add a symbols file for libopenal1
[00:22] <tomreyn> :)
[00:22] <tomreyn> thanks for explaining
[00:23] <rbasak> That's different. A symbols file is to do with the symbols a shared library exports, not debugging information.
[00:23] <tomreyn> oh .a
[00:23] <rbasak> It would be reasonable to file a bug in Debian asking to use RelWithDebInfo instead of Release, assuming that fixes it.
[00:23] <rbasak> (as Debian calls dh_strip later anyway)
[00:24] <tomreyn> hmm yes looks like wheezy is lacking it, too
[00:25] <rbasak> Oh - looks like it's been fixed since. You get a -dbg package in Vivid.
[00:26] <tomreyn> yes later versions have it in either distro
[00:26] <tomreyn> (earlier, too)
[00:27] <rbasak> OK - so I think just rebuild locally with RelWithDebInfo and you should get them.
[00:27] <tomreyn> thanks
[00:28] <rbasak> No problem.
[00:41] <tomreyn> rbasak: could you hint me on what's the quickest way to rebuild the package with -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=RelWithDebInfo ? i apt-get source libopenal1, edit CMakeLists and then...?
[00:47] <rbasak> tomreyn: probably with a PPA is the easiest. apt-get source, edit debian/rules (not CMakeLists), run dch and add a changelog entry, call the version number 1:1.14-4ubuntu1ppa1 or something so a security update will trump it.
[00:47] <rbasak> Then run dpkg-buildpackage -S -sd -nc. You'll need a gpg key set up.
[00:47] <tomreyn> rbasak: i'm just interested in trying it once now, it doesn't need to survive
[00:48] <rbasak> Set up a PPA on Launchpad, then eg. dput ppa:tomreyn on the source changes file.
[00:48] <rbasak> I suppose you could use apt-get build-dep libopenal1 to install all the build dependencies, then dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc to build locally.
[00:49] <rbasak> I tend not to install build deps locally for every package but it might make sense for you.
[00:50] <tomreyn> thanks again. the reason i'm trying to is this crash in supertuxkart: https://tomreyn.megaglest.org/stk_1e0a9022a30393a5af52cf2f5b5d222c6633aebd_quicksands_nitro_finish.txt
[00:50] <tomreyn> the developers suspect libopenal may not be thread safe
[00:51] <rbasak> Thank you for looking at it.
[00:51] <rbasak> Remember that if you rebuild the package you should use your new libopenal1, not the one from the archive, to make sure the debug symbols match up.
[00:53] <tomreyn> that's a good reminder
[05:38] <alkisg> Good morning
[07:03] <darkxst> pitti, systemd init is getting stuck bringing up eth0 here now (its just a dhcp config in /etc/network/interfaces)
[07:30] <dholbach> good morning
[07:54] <alkisg> mvo: hi, in LP #1415785 we've included a branch with the proposed patch, we put the appropriate [SRU headers] for the test case, regression potential etc, and assigned it to you. Could you have a look please and tell me if something is amiss, or sponsor it if it's OK? Thanks!
[07:55] <alkisg> It's only needed in 12.04, I think the whole dist-upgrade functionality got removed from update-manager in 14.04+, in any case ltsp isn't mentioned in -trunk at all anymore
[07:56] <mvo> alkisg: sure! thanks for doing this. so this just needs a sru into 12.04, correct?
[07:56] <alkisg> Correct
[07:56] <mvo> cool, I look at it in a bit
[07:56] <alkisg> Thank you
[08:05] <pitti> darkxst: stuck? which systemd version is that? can you please boot with debug shell (see /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian) and see "systemctl jobs", and get me systemctl status -l <job> for the hanging ones?
[08:07] <darkxst> pitti, 218-6ubuntu1
[08:08] <darkxst> pitti, it just sits waiting for network, I'll reboot now
[08:11] <pitti> yay, there's a new version of patch which should fix the symlink mess (php, glibc, etc.)
[08:12] <pitti> rbasak, infinity ^ FYI; I'll retry the slew of failues
[08:30] <darkxst> pitti, http://pastebin.com/FPgYidgt
[08:31] <darkxst> though the message is something like 'a job is waiting on startup of ifup on eth0'
[08:32] <pitti> darkxst: oh, is "systemctl reload smbd.service" hanging?
[08:32] <LocutusOfBorg1> hi developers!
[08:37] <pitti> rbasak: ok, the remaining regression is https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/vivid-adt-php-horde-serialize/lastBuild/? which is real; the rest succeeds now
[08:37] <darkxst> pitti, maybe, and seems racy when I boot with systemd.debug-shell
[08:37] <pitti> darkxst: you mean it sometimes succeeds, sometimes not?
[08:38] <darkxst> yes it succeeds with that, but not without
[08:38] <pitti> darkxst: do you have some actual smbd config, or is that just installed with the defaults?
[08:38] <pitti> darkxst: oh, go heisenbug.. so in the pastebin you showed me it did not actually hang?
[08:38] <darkxst> pitti, it hung that time
[08:39] <darkxst> took a few boots to get it too hang tho
[08:40] <darkxst> smbd == samba? I do have some samba shares setup,
[08:40] <pitti> darkxst: ok, then I suspect some kind of dependency loop; would you mind filing a bug with the pastebin?
[08:41] <pitti> darkxst: I'll try to reproduce this in a bit; I don't know anything about samba, but perhaps it already reproduces with the default config
[08:42] <darkxst> pitti, ok will do
[08:42] <darkxst> I don't have anything special in my config, just a couple of shares defined
[08:45] <pitti> darkxst: ah, I think I understand why
[08:46]  * darkxst now hitting races in upstart boot ;(
[08:46] <darkxst> (completely unrelated of course)
[08:47] <pitti> so smbd hooks into DHCP hooks which reload samba which triggers /etc/init.d/smbd reload, which Requires: $network
[08:47] <pitti> but $network is precisely the thing that<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is trying to bring up..
[08:49] <darkxst> pitti, makes sense
[08:54] <darkxst_> pitti, bug 1417010
[08:54] <pitti> darkxst_: thanks
[09:00] <pitti> darkxst_: just to ensure, the boot should continue and finish after 2 mins of waiting, right?
[09:01] <darkxst_> pitti, no, I left if for 20mins early today
[09:01] <pitti> uh, that's a surprise
[09:01] <darkxst_> in face the message says "nolimit" or something
[09:01] <pitti> darkxst_: network-online comes up after 2 minutes, this should satisfy the smbd reload
[09:02] <pitti> darkxst_: could you give me the systemctl list-jobs after 2 minutes?
[09:03] <darkxst_> I think that pastebin would have been atleast after 2 minutes
[09:03] <pitti> darkxst: ah, ok; thanks either way, I'll ponder this
[09:08] <darkxst> pitti, I've not hit in any of my VM's but they don't have samba installed
[09:14] <pitti> darkxst: yeah, it doesn't reproduce for me either, but I didn't really configure it
[09:24] <cjwatson_> Noskcaj: unlikely; somebody who's interested should go for it
[09:24] <ogra_> pitti, do you think we could get this easily SRUed into utopic ? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmtp/1.1.8-1ubuntu2 (just adds HW support)
[09:25] <darkxst> pitti, I will try and reproduce in a VM tomorrow
[09:30] <Noskcaj> cjwatson_, I'll see if i can work a merge sometime this week then
[09:31] <cjwatson_> ok
[10:14] <pitti> ogra_: sure, that looks totally harmless
[10:14] <ogra_> yup it is ... and i dont want to have to set up a PPA for it
[10:41] <LocutusOfBorg1> hi developers, do you know why sqlmap is on debian unstable but not on vivid, neither in the new queue? Am I missing something=?
[10:46] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg1: because it was previously deleted and such things require manual action; I'll bring it back
[10:47] <cjwatson> (logged in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/auto-sync/current.log)
[10:52] <LocutusOfBorg1> thanks as usual cjwatson this is why I asked, because I was wondering about that manual hint ;)
[10:57] <rbasak> pitti: thanks. Looking.
[11:07] <sitter> TheMuso, didrocks: is it intentional that the pulseaudio from here has the flat-volume disabling disabled? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/transitions/+packages
[11:19] <didrocks> sitter: I'll let TheMuso answer, I have no clue about the changes besides bluetooth
[11:22] <sitter> I best leave this here for reference as well http://paste.ubuntu.com/10013864/ ^^
[11:38] <rbasak> pitti: I can't reproduce the php-horde-serialize failure locally (in adt-virt-lxc). What locale does the environment use, please? I tried C.UTF-8, still passing locally.
[11:50] <pitti> rbasak: trying to run here
[11:50] <rbasak> Thanks. I've since tried C as well. Also I realised I was rebuilding locally, but using -B doesn't help (still passes).
[11:50] <pitti> rbasak: C.UTF-8 is the default locale indeed
[11:51] <rbasak> There is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php-json/+bug/1287726 which may be related. Also I see a new upstream release that changes some of the handling around the failure case, but of course that passes for me locally too so I can't tell if it fixes anything we need.
[11:53] <pitti> rbasak: I get the exact same failure in schroot
[11:53] <pitti> adt-run --apt-pocket=proposed -U php-horde-serialize --- schroot vivid
[11:53] <pitti> qemu is still running
[11:53]  * pitti runs in lxc too, for fun
[11:53] <pitti> rbasak: qemu failed too (adt-run --apt-pocket=proposed -U php-horde-serialize --- qemu /srv/vm/adt-vivid-amd64-cloud.img)
[11:53] <pitti> rbasak: ah, lxc doesn't currently work for me :/
[11:54] <rbasak> I've not been using --apt-pocket=proposed either. Seems obvious to me.
[11:55] <pitti> rbasak: ^ I can't interpret this -- don't you want to test with the php5 in -proposed?
[11:55] <rbasak> Thanks - I'll use adt-virt-schroot. I didn't know thta existed!
[11:55] <pitti> that's what triggers the regression, no?
[11:55] <rbasak> pitti: sorry. I mean that I failed to use --apt-pocket=proposed, when obviously I should be doing so.
[11:55] <pitti> ah :)
[11:55] <rbasak> I've got away with never using that option ever and not really knowing about it somehow.
[11:55] <rbasak> I shall amend my ways :)
[11:56] <pitti> rbasak: ah, lxc finished too, same failure; doesn't look sensitive to the build env
[11:56] <rbasak> adt-run --apt-pocket=proposed -B php-horde-serialize_2.0.2-5.dsc --- adt-virt-lxc -es vivid
[11:56] <rbasak> This passes for me :-/
[11:56] <pitti> rbasak: I suppose you could also give it some locally built 5.6 php debs to run with; if you them, that's faster than --apt-pocket + -U
[11:56] <pitti> rbasak: ah, you need -U (aka --apt-upgrade)
[11:57] <pitti> rbasak: apt-pocket merely fiddles with the apt sources; I figure that could be considered a bug
[11:57] <rbasak> I see.
[11:57] <rbasak> OK
[11:57]  * rbasak tries again
[11:57] <pitti> rbasak: so I guess schroot will be fastest
[11:58] <rbasak> I tend to use lxc so I don't have to worry about whether schroot is sufficient or not, since most of my work involves needing server daemons to work.
[11:58] <pitti> right, that shouldn't be noticeably slower
[11:58] <rbasak> I hadn't looked to see if this test is actually using it, but I did see it installing apache2
[11:58] <rbasak> Yeah the speed difference is only a few seconds per virt driver reset
[11:59] <rbasak> adt-run -U -B php-horde-serialize_2.0.2-5.dsc --- adt-virt-lxc -es vivid
[11:59] <rbasak> Still passes!
[11:59] <rbasak> I'll try schroot
[11:59] <pitti> rbasak: you forgot the --apt-pocket=proposed now :)
[11:59] <pitti> rbasak: you need both that and -U to actually upgrade
[11:59] <rbasak> Aargh. Sorry.
[12:00] <pitti> rbasak: and add -s while you're at it :)
[12:01] <rbasak> I don't use -s by "default" since I often use -o and that breaks it.
[12:01] <pitti> ogra_: smurfice!
[12:01] <ogra_> haha
[12:01] <rbasak> Usually I just poke at the source and rerun the whole thing.
[12:02] <pitti> rbasak: oh, I thought I fixed that
[12:02] <rbasak> Maybe you did.
[12:02] <rbasak> My habits may be a little outdated.
[12:03] <rbasak> BTW, while we're chatting, I usually use uvtool to create myself a qcow2 image to use against adt-virt-qemu, rather than your script.
[12:03] <rbasak> For that, I just need a cloud-init userdata that works.
[12:03] <rbasak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10014410/ is what I use, adapted from your script.
[12:04] <rbasak> It'd be nice to maintain that independently in the autopkgtest source somewhere.
[12:04] <pitti> rbasak: ah, do you use /usr/share/autopkgtest/adt-setup-vm with that?
[12:04] <rbasak> Eventually I'd like to make it one command in uvtool to produce a VM image file based on a userdata file.
[12:04] <pitti> rbasak: that's where I keep all the actual VM setup now, so that it can be called from cloud-init, vmdebootstap, or even just manually if you have an arbitrary install
[12:04] <rbasak> pitti: no - I use uvtool instead, with the userdata separately.
[12:04] <pitti> rbasak: e. g. I can run that in a standard sid install and then use that VM for adt
[12:05] <pitti> rbasak: well, it's not an "instead" -- this is a script to run inside a VM, it's not about setting up the VM itself
[12:06] <rbasak> pitti: ah I see - I'm behind again and didn't know about that script - thanks.
[12:06] <rbasak> I'd like that to be one command using uvtool in the future too.
[12:07] <rbasak> pitti: OK, reproduced the failure now. Thanks!
[12:08] <pitti> rbasak: right, it's meant to be that shared resource; please let me know if it needs any adjustment for running under uvtool
[12:09] <rbasak> pitti: will do. It'll be a while before I can task switch to uvtool again though :-(
[13:46] <tsdgeos> mitya57: Mirv: we can set https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gammaray/+bug/1395646 as fix commited since gammaray is compiling fine on https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-005/+packages no?
[13:47] <mitya57> tsdgeos: done
[13:48] <tsdgeos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=qt5.4 is looking not that bad :)
[13:53] <mitya57> tsdgeos: thanks for your work on that!
[13:53] <pitti> rbasak: oh, fixed now, nice work!
[13:54] <rbasak> pitti: no problem. Latest minor upstream release (not yet in Debian) already had a fix, so I just pulled that in.
[13:55] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#php5 -> Valid candidate \o/
[13:55] <pitti> rbasak: nice work!
[13:55] <rbasak> :)
[13:55] <pitti> the patch thingy disrupted this quite a bit :/
[13:55] <rbasak> Two uninstallables left for migration. I just uploaded them. Hopefully it'll all migrate now, just waiting for it.
[13:57] <rbasak> For some reason "chdist bin2src vivid ..." gives me blank output on about three packages. No idea why and I haven't looked into it, but that's why I missed them the first time.
[14:03] <Mirv> tsdgeos: indeed
[14:06] <aeoril> How important is it that I get my PGP key signed via photo id in person?  What exactly will I need that step for?
[14:06] <tsdgeos> Mirv: mitya57: should we set https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1398372 as fix commited since the tests are being tracked on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/+bug/1403420 ?
[14:07] <rbasak> aeoril: that depends. Why do you think you need to do that? For Ubuntu development, you don't. To be involved in Debian, you do (eventually).
[14:08] <Mirv> tsdgeos: yes, the former was about the private header usage
[14:08] <aeoril> rbasak I was just following this howto guide and it showed that step:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[14:09] <tsdgeos> Mirv: ok, done
[14:09] <aeoril> rbasak that is why I was asking, I didn't know if I needed to or not
[14:10] <aeoril> rbasak I was hoping eventually to do kernel/driver development.  Would I need it for that?
[14:10] <rbasak> aeoril: so just for general gpg use? It's useful to be able to find trust paths across the web, but I don't think that feature is used particularly often in practice.
[14:10] <rbasak> aeoril: you can contribute without having a trust path.
[14:11] <aeoril> rbasak I am planning on developing for the ubuntu community, in the kernel, driver, etc. areas
[14:11] <aeoril> rbasak ok, good to know
[14:11] <rbasak> It's fine then. You don't need it. I wouldn't worry about it. Take an opportunity to sign keys if the opportunity arises, but I wouldn't bother seeking it out.
[14:12] <aeoril> rbasak ok, thank you very much
[14:31] <pitti> tjaalton: latest mesa drops libopenvg1-mesa-dev, but qtbase-opensource-src{,-gles} still build dep on that; what's the replacement?
[14:34] <pitti> jibel: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#zope.interface is a similar problem that we had last week: zodb always failed on amd64, succeeds on i386, but is regarded as a regression
[14:34] <pitti> jibel: did you happen to see what was wrong with those, or should I nudge it manually?
[14:44] <tjaalton> pitti: there is none, I'll check qtbase-opensource-src*..
[14:45] <pitti> tjaalton: ah, thanks
[14:50] <jibel> pitti, I didn't find the reason yet, can you fix it manually please?
[14:51] <pitti> jibel: yep, done
[15:22] <tjaalton> pitti: looks like it takes quite a while to build.. hasn't failed after just dropping that BD
[15:22] <tjaalton> so far..
[15:23] <pitti> tjaalton: I wouldn't expect it to fail
[15:23] <pitti> tjaalton: it builds on hurd without it, but configure detects availability
[15:23] <pitti> OpenVG auto-detection... ()
[15:23] <pitti> [...]
[15:23] <tjaalton> ah, right
[15:23] <pitti> OpenVG enabled.

[15:24] <tjaalton> well changelog doesn't tell why it was added
[15:24] <pitti> so it's not really a question of "builds" but whether we actually need/want this?
[15:24] <pitti> Riddell: ^ do you happen to have an idea about this?
[16:11] <bdmurray> mvo: do you want to have a look at bug 1415785 or shall I?
[16:20] <mvo> bdmurray: I uploded it to proposed already
[16:21] <bdmurray> mvo: okay, cool
[16:21] <mvo> bdmurray: thanks!
[16:32] <shadeslayer> mvo: synaptic poke?
[16:33] <mvo> shadeslayer: uploaded this morning, waiting in the proposed queue :)
[16:33] <shadeslayer> aha :)
[16:33] <ogra_> heh, a poke from the past
[16:33] <shadeslayer> thx
[16:33] <smoser> infinity, i dont really know how i'm going to test trusty + https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/slof/+bug/1374568
[16:34] <infinity> smoser: Install the trusty deb on utopic, if utopic is where you can actually test?
[16:34] <infinity> smoser: Have to be a bit creative when doing backport in steps like this. :/
[16:34] <infinity> s/backport/backports/
[16:34] <smoser> :)
[16:34] <smoser> well, it hardly is validating "trusty"
[16:34] <smoser> if i do the test on utopic.
[16:35] <smoser> the other path was to grab the utopic qemu-system-ppc , which i think has a chance here.
[16:36] <infinity> smoser: It's validating the binary in the deb.  In the case where its only use it to be sideloaded in a VM, that works.
[16:37] <infinity> smoser: qemu-system-ppc64 on x86 would work too, it's just slow.
[16:38] <smoser> i dont think it works.
[16:39] <infinity> smoser: I know it does.
[16:59] <xnox> didrocks: systemd[1]: Failed to populate transient preset unit settings, ignoring: Invalid argument
[16:59]  * xnox is =(
[17:05] <didrocks> xnox: that's on your experiment? I thought you didn't go on on it
[17:05] <xnox> didrocks: well, i'm trying to benchmark how slow it is.
[17:05] <xnox> didrocks: and it looks strange at the moment
[17:06] <didrocks> weird :/
[17:34] <nemo> hey Nexia, have you passed the situation on to them already?
[17:34] <Nexia> nope
[17:34] <nemo> ok
[17:35] <Nexia> I'd rather leave that to you who knows more of what you're talking about (:P)
[17:35] <nemo> so... briefly, Nexia here has an RT5390 wireless card messed up on his 64 bit ubuntu 14.10 install. Looking through forums and Launchpad, we see reports going back over 2 years, including a patch for 64 bit support showing up in a number of threads...
[17:35] <nemo> (patch to the manufacturer driver)
[17:36] <nemo> However, all the launchpad bugs I could find, even the ones where a comment described patching, were closed out for various reasons
[17:36] <nemo> the precise laptop in the bug was recalled, or the bug was just marked expired, or in one case the bug is there, but with no comments or followup (that one is a mint bug)
[17:37] <nemo> So... given that there seems to be a fix, and that this wireless card seems to still be broken, years later, I was wondering if one of the bugs could be resurrected...
[17:38] <nemo> Comment #14 on this bug describes patching... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1173759
[17:38] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1178545  similar bug that was marked won't fix due to the laptop model
[17:39] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1173759#yui_3_10_3_1_1422897152203_434  direct link to the comment.  Woooo! Launchpad has IDs on comments now!  Used to be there was no way to reference a comment in the scope of the bug.  Now I can do it, even if it requires inspecting the HTML :p
[17:41] <sarnold> ooo
[17:41] <sarnold> nemo: aww, nuts, it doesn't appear to be 'stable' -- your url didn't work for me :(
[17:41] <rbasak> nemo: it's had that for a long time. Right click on the comment number on the right hand side, and save the link. Is this something newer on top of that that I'm missing?
[17:41] <rbasak> Eg. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1173759/comments/49
[17:42] <sarnold> rbasak: the intention of the url is to -scroll- the main bug to the correct comment -- that's just _one_ comment, without context, and it's a bit annoying to see where it fits amongt he others
[17:42] <rbasak> Ah, I see.
[17:42] <sarnold> I know, I missed it at first too until I saw that the url was quite ugly :) hehe
[17:42] <TJ-> nemo: The patch you referred to; there's a newer version for kernel 3.15+ also, at http://gridlox.net/diff/rt5592sta_fix_64bit_3.15.patch. Might be worth adding that info to the bug report
[17:43] <nemo> sarnold: yeah, I'm used to that working on most forums and bug systems like bugzilla.  Never worked on launchpad which sucked.
[17:43] <nemo> sarnold: well, once upon a time browsers supported XPath syntax for that, but it got removed as one of those advanced features hardly anyone used
[17:43] <cjwatson> Could somebody file a bug against Launchpad itself for this, please?
[17:44] <nemo> sarnold: luckily most sites are pretty good w/ the IDs ☺
[17:44] <rbasak> That sounds pretty trivial to add though, for anybody inclined. The comments are already numbered, so just need to add an anchor tag.
[17:44] <nemo> rbasak: that'd be pretty cool, I've suffered this one for years ☺
[17:44] <cjwatson> Actually, hang on, maybe I found it
[17:44] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/627252
[17:44] <nemo> heh
[17:44] <cjwatson> See also https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/124166
[17:45] <nemo> Actually, I'd prefer that to direct link to the comment which is usually not nearly as useful
[17:45] <sarnold> nemo: direct link is the best/easiest/only? way to see the entire comment when it's quite long..
[17:45] <nemo> sarnold: oh. you guys trim long comments in-place? ☹
[17:45] <sarnold> nemo: yeah :/
[17:45] <nemo> sarnold: most systems don't do that. bugzilla etc.
[17:45] <nemo> sarnold: can't use JS expand/collapse?
[17:46] <cjwatson> We probably could, yes.
[17:46] <nemo> sarnold: heck. could auto-expand based on the #uniqueid in the URL
[17:46] <cjwatson> We'd also have to work out what to do about cases where bugs with very large numbers of comments are truncated to show only the first 40 and last 40 comments.
[17:47] <sarnold> heh, I've not noticed that before
[17:47] <cjwatson> So it's not quite trivial to put it all together.
[17:47] <nemo> cjwatson: ah, well, the # part does get passed in the request, so could get processed serverside to include it
[17:47] <nemo> hm
[17:47] <nemo> wait. I might be on crack on that front
[17:47]  * nemo doublechecks
[17:47] <cjwatson> I believe you're wrong.
[17:47] <sarnold> yeah I think only local javascript would know what's on the other side of the #
[17:47] <nemo> cjwatson: yep. I'm wrong. damn
[17:48] <nemo> cjwatson: meh... well, could still construct a URL w/ the UID in it, as well as the # part
[17:48] <sarnold> there's always some reason why it's never easy :) heh
[17:48] <nemo> sarnold: eh. that still works ;)
[17:48] <nemo> or just make the link have /all in it
[17:48] <nemo> er. +activity ? whatever
[17:49] <nemo> aaaaaanyway. thoroughly derailed the initial thing, which was seeking help for poor Nexia here
[17:49] <cjwatson> Sure, it's all possible
[17:49] <cjwatson> If I were Nexia I would just file a new bug and explain the history.
[17:49] <nemo> I'm gonna hazard a guess that he'd like to avoid building his own driver off the patch, even w/ exact instructions, given he's kinda new to Linux
[17:49] <cjwatson> Probably better than making some poor developer wade through a load of ancient stuff.
[17:49] <nemo> hm
[17:49] <nemo> guess he's off to bed now
[17:50] <nemo> he's a... teenager? on indian time.
[17:50] <nemo> cjwatson: hm well. the others were closed incorrectly IMO
[17:50] <nemo> so reopening doesn't seem that inappropriate...
[17:50] <cjwatson> That's as may be, I haven't waded through them myself
[17:50] <nemo> but, eh, whatev.
[17:50] <ogra_> we're all teenagers !
[17:50] <ogra_> (inside)
[17:50] <Nexiazz> Good night, sorries. and all the help is appreciated :)
[17:50] <cjwatson> But new bugs are pretty cheap, and it's easier to mark a new bug as a duplicate than it is to split off a section of an existing bug
[17:50] <nemo> Nexiazz: so, yeah, cjwatson wants you to file a new bug and hope this one gets love ☺
[17:51] <cjwatson> (But I'm not a kernel developer, so.)
[17:51] <nemo> Nexiazz: maybe we can spam it here in #ubuntu-devel to raise the profile 😃
[17:51] <cjwatson> #ubuntu-kernel is more likely to actually be noticed by somebody useful.
[17:51] <nemo> Nexiazz: if you like, I can try to help you w/ those manual patch instructions from 2013...
[17:51] <nemo> ah
[17:51] <Nexiazz> hm, I'll think it over tomorrow (can't think properly even if I wanted to, tbh)
[17:51] <nemo> cjwatson: LocutusOfBorg1 fired us off to here ☺
[17:51] <Nexiazz> atm*
[17:51] <nemo> Nexiazz: 'k. gn
[17:51] <cjwatson> *shrug*
[18:02] <LocutusOfBorg1> I wasn't aware of #ubuntu-kernel :)
[20:06] <Noskcaj> Can someone please look at bug 1417253
[20:50] <TheMuso> sitter: Yes, we have had flat volumes disabled in pulse for several years now in Ubuntu. I suggest you search throught eh changelog to find the bug number where this was discussed.
[20:52] <TheMuso> sitter: Here, bug numbers where this is discussed: bug 403859 and bug #433209..
[20:54] <ari-tczew> I have a question to FTBFS and dep-waiting. If package "A" has got dep-waiting (architecture "X") on package B, but that package ("B") doesn't provide binaries for architecture "X". Can we just add missing architecture to package "B" and build it?
[21:19] <aeoril> I have a problem running Ubuntu 14.04.01 under VMWare *or* Hyper-V on a Windows 8.1 machine.  I have scripts that pop-up a new bash shell then run vi with the geometry different than default (e.g., gnome-terminal --geometry 156x48+80+50 -e "/usr/bin/vi .bashrc"
[21:19] <aeoril> This works fine on my native Ubuntu machine running 14.04 LTS, but when I do it in either of those VM environments on Windows 8.1 the text in vi is scrolled down approximately to the line just after what would be the line in a bash window that uses the default size, about one default window's worth of lines is displayed in vi, then I have to scroll line by line down until I see a full
[21:19] <aeoril> page worth of text and it works normally after that
[21:20] <aeoril> I have looked around quite a bit and cannot find any bug like this in google, and have looked a little in launchpad bug browser and so far have not seen this bug
[21:24] <aeoril> I want to report a bug and try to work on this problem.  I am having a hard time reducing the number of bugs reported in my searches for this bug on launchpad.  Is that normal?  Should I wade through all the bug reports before placing my own?  I guess whoever triaged the bug would have to do that anyway?
[21:29] <aeoril> searching further in launchpad bug browser, the search term "vim resize" found no similar bug - I think I am safe to file a bug report and will not find one like mine.  Should I go ahead and do that?  I have never filed a bug report before, so am a little hesitant
[21:48] <jderose> so i want to help test 14.04.2, but it seems the latest daily trusty ISO still doesn't have the *-lts-utopic packages pre-installed. is there some other location where these ISOs are getting staged?
[21:56] <aeoril> jderose what are the *-lts-utopic packages exactly?
[21:59] <ahoneybun> http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/76592/how-non-devs-can-help-linux-las-350/
[22:03] <dobey> jderose: i don't see any xorg packages in the archive yet. only the kernel seems to be in so far :-/
[22:06] <jderose> dobey: thanks. so the x and mesa packages are in proposed... and the daily iso has proposed enabled, for this reason i assume
[22:07] <jderose> dobey: but there's no magic, special place when ISOs are being staged? :)
[22:07] <dobey> jderose: cdimage.u.c is all i know
[22:08] <jderose> aeoril: the hardware enablement packages for 14.04.2... basically the utopic kernel, x, and mesa packages backported to trusty
[22:09] <aeoril> what are the mesa packages?
[22:09] <aeoril> (I understand what "kernel and x" are)
[22:09] <aeoril> jderose ^
[22:11] <jderose> aeoril: mesa is an open source opengl/egl implementation for 3d graphics - http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/libegl1-mesa-drivers
[22:13] <aeoril> jderose ahh, ok - thanks.  cdimage.ubuntu.com seems very slow for me right now
[22:13] <jderose> yeah, super slow for me today also. but i'm in the us, so maybe just the wrong side of the pond :)
[22:13] <aeoril> jderose I was just wondering about that - I am in USA too
[22:14] <dobey> slow in what sense?
[22:14] <jderose> dobey: slow as in downloading at like 14k or thereabouts
[22:15] <aeoril> dobey for me, there is latency in getting the directory listings.  I have not tried downloading yet today - it was plenty fast yesterday
[22:15] <dobey> i'm getting 2+ MB/s right now :)
[22:15] <aeoril> dobey *very* slow
[22:15] <aeoril> dobey where are you?
[22:15] <dobey> well, now down to 1, but i am streaming youtube hd at the same time too
[22:15] <dobey> usa
[22:15] <aeoril> where in the USA?
[22:16] <dobey> on 150Mbps fiber
[22:16] <dobey> east coast
[22:16] <aeoril> hmmm ... I am in the middle - going to ping ...
[22:18] <aeoril> dobey ping shows 131 ms
[22:18] <dobey> yeah
[22:19] <aeoril> ahoneybun I looked at your link and it seemed like a lot of ads ...
[22:19] <ahoneybun> aeoril, shows cost money
[22:23] <aeoril> dobey jderose it seems fine now (at least for browsing the listings)
[22:34] <Noskcaj_> Can someone please rebuild opensm's r-deps? allows it to migrate from proposed
[22:38] <Noskcaj_> stgraber: bdrung: Would you have time to vote on my MOTU and xubuntu-packageset application?
[22:55] <aeoril> Noskcaj We chatted yesterday.  I am new to Ubuntu development.  You mentioned you could help me with a bug if I found one I wanted to work on.  I have, and was wondering if the offer was still open


[04:44] <holstein> the gnome network manager needs to be installed
[04:45] <holstein> default
[04:45] <holstein> its too much hasle talking everyone through it
[13:29] <TheMuso> 1/c
[14:52] <quadrispro> TheMuso, is jack transition completed? BTW: great job!
[14:52] <astraljava> ScottL: I posted to the mailing lists about the testing of qjackctl backport, so you don't need to anymore. :)
[14:52] <astraljava> scott-work: ^^
[15:04] <scott-work> astraljava: okay, i had planned to last night but ran out of time
[15:04] <scott-work> astraljava: i'll test your qjackctl tonight then
[15:04] <scott-work> astraljava: and then begin to bug others to do likewise :)
[15:07] <astraljava> scott-work: Good to hear. I might be able to upgrade my multimedia desktop to lucid during the weekend, but setting it up will take considerable amount of time, so it won't happen within the next week or so...
[15:09] <scott-work> astraljava: i did, however, spend about twenty minutes working on the network-admin bug, i got the source, thought i removed the patch and built it in PPA, but after i upgraded it didn't appear to work
[15:09] <scott-work> astraljava: the gui was still disabled, but i haven't rebooted yet, so i'll see about that tonight as well
[15:09] <quadrispro> scott-work, PHASEX is coming :)
[15:10] <scott-work> i REALLY want to get the network-admin bug fixed and effect an SRU
[15:10] <scott-work> quadrispro: cool :)
[15:10] <scott-work> astraljava: i see your email in my inbox :)
[15:11] <astraljava> scott-work: Don't know about network-admin, but NetworkManager is kinda tricky to upgrade during a session, I suspect networking stuff gets that way.
[15:55] <scott-work> quadrispro: this weekend (really!  i mean it this time) i am going to update the ubuntustudio-seeds.maverick for the stuff you've been packaging
[15:56] <quadrispro> yeah :)
[16:06] <astraljava> That's nice. :) Gotta remember to leave a couple of tens of GBs empty space for dev releases.
[16:22] <scott-work> then later i'll also need to update the menu so that it all goes into the right places
[16:22] <scott-work> of course if either of you, quadrispro or astraljava, would like to help update the branches for either the seeds or menu that would be great also, and that way i can check it and feel good about dual layers of quality
[16:22] <scott-work> if not, that is okay, i'll take care of it :)
[16:25] <quadrispro> scott-work, I'm very sorry, but at the moment I don't have the time :(
[16:32] <scott-work> 'sokay quadrispro, you have already done more than i could have expected :)
[16:32] <scott-work> and for thank i am extremely grateful :)
[16:34] <quadrispro> scott-work, ok ok, so I expect a beer in return :D
[16:34] <quadrispro> scott-work, I hope to see you at the next UDS!
[16:39] <astraljava> Does US still get sponsored spots for UDSs?
[16:39] <scott-work> quadrispro: if i manage to get to a UDS then i will certainly buy you several beers!
[16:40] <astraljava> scott-work: Yeah I can help with the seeds/menu thingie.
[16:40] <quadrispro> :D
[16:46] <quadrispro> bye guys, see you later!
[16:48] <astraljava> Later.
[23:44] <ckontros> Hi all