[01:51] <Omega> What's with all the drama on the blags?
[02:11] <TheMuso> Is it at all possible to launch unity without the panel service getting run?
[02:15] <TheMuso> Hrm looking at the code, doesn't seem like it.
[03:39] <jbicha> I'm trying to fix a bitesize bug but I'm not really sure how to build unity-place-applications to test my changes, anyone online to help?
[05:52] <LLStarks> i'm a sad panda. unity panel really needs custom icon support. dropbox, xchat, etc need it.
[06:01] <RAOF> In the launcher?
[06:02] <LLStarks> well, i'd like the xchat thing to wiggle if i get pinged
[06:02] <LLStarks> but i was thinking more along the line of applet-like icons
[06:02] <LLStarks> and yes, i know applets are impossible
[06:02] <LLStarks> or so i've heard
[06:03] <LLStarks> *applet-like icons in the traditional panel positon
[06:12]  * RAOF would quite like a system-monitor applet-y thing; you could do that by pushing icon updates if you wanted to.
[07:11] <kenvandine> hey kvalo
[07:12] <kvalo> kenvandine: good evening. you are up late :)
[07:22] <didrocks> good morning
[07:23] <kenvandine> kvalo, uploaded
[07:23] <kenvandine> good morning didrocks
[07:23] <jbicha> howdy
[07:24] <kvalo> kenvandine: wow, this late? thanks a lot
[07:24] <kenvandine> kvalo, no worries
[07:24] <didrocks> hey kenvandine
[07:26]  * kenvandine rejects ted's merge proposal
[07:27] <didrocks> kenvandine: how do you feel? I'm sure you always feel good rejecting ted's merge proposal :)
[07:27] <kenvandine> hehe
[07:28] <kenvandine> indicator-datetime released today and is actually much buggier
[07:28] <kenvandine> i am surprised to say that... it was pretty buggy already
[07:28]  * kenvandine isn't going to sponsor this
[07:29] <kenvandine> well time for bed, good night all!
[07:34] <didrocks> see you kenvandine!
[07:47] <kvalo> this morning indicator-datetime was claiming that it's thursday
[07:48] <didrocks> kvalo: it's because you stil have a lot of work to do! ;)
[07:48] <didrocks> that's a trap ;)
[07:48] <kvalo> ah :)
[08:09] <elricl> Hello,I am getting this bug http://pastebin.com/Z8qhp0wv , when I am trying to update Natty.Any ideas?
[08:15] <MacSlow> hey there folks
[09:15] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:34] <elricl> Hello.I just read the alt f2 article on omgubuntu and updated my natty.No alt f2 dash.Any ideas?
[11:44] <njpatel> elricl, did you log out/log in?
[11:45] <elricl> Found the problem,my mirror was laggin behind,downloading from the main.
[11:45] <njpatel> aah
[11:45] <njpatel> cool, hope you like it :)
[12:11] <elricl> I am sure I will.
[12:12] <elricl> :)
[12:52] <elricl_> Still.Installed all updates.Rebooted a coupe of times,still no alt f2 love.
[12:52] <jporsini_> kenvandine, poke?
[12:52] <elricl> any ideas? njpatel
[12:53] <njpatel> elricl, open ccsm and look at unity plugin, does it have the "run a command" option bound to Alt+F2?
[12:54] <elricl> nope,not even a run command.
[12:55] <elricl> wait a sec.I think I did something stupid.Let me come back a little later.
[12:57] <njpatel> heh, okay :)
[12:57] <njpatel> fwiw it sounds like you have an old unity
[12:57] <njpatel> you should have 3.6.6
[12:57] <njpatel> and the very latest unity-place-applications
[12:58] <njpatel> ( 0.2.38-0ubuntu1)
[12:58] <elricl> I think i am running my own build of old unity
[12:58] <elricl> pulling from bzr now
[12:59] <elricl> I think i am running my own build of old unity.rebuilding now.
[13:00] <njpatel> elricl, are you building into a non /usr directory?
[13:00] <elricl> to /opt
[13:00] <njpatel> because you'll need to cp the latest .place files from /usr/share/unity/places/
[13:00] <elricl> following http://askubuntu.com/questions/28470/how-do-i-build-unity-from-source.
[13:00] <njpatel> into /opt/share/unity/places
[13:01] <elricl> Ok,will do that.
[13:07] <aruiz> kenvandine, I just did another release that fixes the crashes
[13:16] <elricl> njpatel: Love the alt f2. :)
[13:19] <njpatel> elricl, heh, awesome! didrocks is the man!
[13:19] <didrocks> :)
[13:22] <elricl> Ok.Now my turn.Am gonna fix atleast one bug this weekend.
[13:40] <Cimi> dbarth_, njpatel I'm here (if you read the mail)
[13:40] <njpatel> Cimi, hey
[13:40] <Cimi> loicm, too
[13:40] <njpatel> Cimi, had a question re: scrollbars
[13:41] <Cimi> thx to android tethering
[13:41] <Cimi> over wifi
[13:41] <njpatel> Cimi, is the "orange" going to be made into showing on overlay only?
[13:41] <njpatel> hover*
[13:41] <Cimi> njpatel, ?
[13:41] <njpatel> Cimi, or is the colour going to be adjusted to make it less striking?
[13:41] <njpatel> Cimi, the overlay scrollbar is a bit too visible right now, it stands out
[13:43] <Cimi> njpatel, it is base[SELECTED]
[13:43] <Cimi> can be easily adjusted
[13:43] <njpatel> interesting
[13:43] <njpatel> Cimi, maybe it needs to be shaded?  I have put the debdiff, and I have also create a bzr branch and ask for a review from you. I never do that, so I hope that I did not make too much mistakes
[13:46] <kenvandine> jporsini: no worries
[13:46] <kenvandine> i'll review that sometime this morning
[13:47] <jporsini> kenvandine, nice! that's really not urgent
[13:47] <njpatel> Cimi, heh
[13:47] <kenvandine> jporsini: what was the bug number again?
[13:48] <jporsini_> kenvandine, bug #732848
[13:48] <kenvandine> jporsini_, thx
[13:49] <kenvandine> seb128, i didn't upload indicator-datetime last night, it was much buggier than the previous version :(
[13:50] <seb128> kenvandine, but there was only a few commits?
[13:50] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:51] <kenvandine> i think karl will be back today, so maybe we can get some other fixes in too
[14:06] <elricl> Hello.Do i have to logout and login each time I make a change to unity code and rebuild it ?
[14:08] <kenvandine> ronoc, ping
[14:10] <kenvandine> ronoc, i have experiencing something rather odd right now...
[14:10] <kenvandine> every few seconds my sound indicator icon turns red and then back to white
[14:11] <kenvandine> i assume pulse dying and restarting...
[14:17] <ronoc> kenvandine, hmmm that is a mute blocking state
[14:17] <ronoc> kenvandine, is your sound muted ?
[14:18] <ronoc> and are you playing music ?
[14:18] <kenvandine> muted
[14:18] <kenvandine> it has stopped now
[14:18] <kenvandine> for about 10 minutes though, ever few seconds it seemed to change
[14:19] <ronoc> kenvandine, if you are muted and something tries to play something tries to play audio (sound effects, or music or whatever) that state will be fired
[14:20] <artfwo> elricl, no, it's enough to just run compiz --replace with a proper PATH
[14:25] <Daekdroom> Hm. unity --reset doesn't reset the launchers.
[14:28] <ronoc> kenvandine,sorry can see what I'm doing now, don't know if that made sense
[14:29] <ronoc> so the mute blocking state is triggered when the device is muted but something tries to play out through that that sink (device)
[14:30] <ronoc> kenvandine, just need todo  some merging and a little test and then I'll roll up
[14:32] <vish> Daekdroom: bug 731578
[14:33] <Daekdroom> Thank you.
[14:38] <kenvandine> ronoc, oh... maybe it was blinking while i was having a chat in empathy and it was playing sound for messages received
[14:38] <kenvandine> interesting, never noticed that befreo
[14:38] <kenvandine> before
[14:38] <ronoc> kenvandine, yeah its looks a bit odd if you don't know what its for
[15:01] <ronoc> kvalo, time for a review ?
[15:01] <ronoc> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjcurran/indicator-sound/keyboard-rewind-forwind/+merge/53012
[15:03] <kvalo> ronoc: can it wait 30 mins or so?
[15:04] <ronoc> kvalo, was hoping to release soon
[15:04] <ronoc> kamstrup, about ?
[15:05] <kvalo> ronoc: ok, I'll do it now then
[15:05] <ronoc> kvalo, thanks
[15:07] <kvalo> ronoc: approved with my usual nitpick about commenting out code :)
[15:08] <ronoc> kvalo, oh thanks, I keep forgetting to delete my commented stuff, well spotted, will fix
[15:11] <ronoc> kvalo, I comment out debugs just in case i need them again
[15:11] <ronoc> save me having to write them in again
[15:12] <ronoc> if i were to delete them
[15:14] <kvalo> ronoc: then I suggest a compile time flag to enable them
[15:14] <kvalo> ronoc: eg. is_debug() or whatever you like
[15:15] <ronoc> kvalo, at some point if had an ide that would work consistently i would do this
[15:21] <kvalo> ronoc: it's easy to do and makes code a lot easier to maintain. I strongly suggest to do it. I can even do it for you if you want :)
[15:21] <ronoc> kvalo, okay cool
[15:28] <lamalex> jcastro, the bookmarks toolbar pops up when you go to make a new tab
[15:29] <jcastro> what do you mean?
[15:31] <lamalex> re: your post
[15:31] <lamalex> you say you dont want to get rid of the bookmarks toolbar
[15:32] <lamalex> but it comes back when you do new tab anyway
[15:32] <lamalex> it's so nice
[15:32] <jcastro> oh dude!
[15:32] <jcastro> I've never seen that before!
[15:32] <lamalex> it's the best feature of chrome
[15:32] <lamalex> ha that might be hyperbole :P
[15:32] <lamalex> but you know
[15:39] <nmarques> didrocks, ping
[15:42] <jbicha> howdy
[15:46] <jbicha> I posted a branch which I believe fixes bug 732981 can anyone help review it?
[15:52] <artfwo> jbicha, I think you should have proposed it for merging in the trunk
[15:53] <artfwo> it helps the devs to review by showing a diff between your branch and the parent branch
[15:54] <jbicha> ok, done
[15:54] <jbicha> I thought I needed to put someone as reviewer but I guess it can fill that in automatically
[15:55] <jcastro> jbicha: if you just propose it it plops into the queue
[15:55] <jcastro> and then we poke people to review the queue
[15:55] <jbicha> thanks and can anyone else confirm bug 732978 ?
[15:56] <jcastro> sigh, I keep mixing up my windows when maximized on 2 screens
[15:56] <jcastro> so I keep closing the wrong one
[15:58] <jcastro> jbicha: here's what they look like: https://code.launchpad.net/unity/+activereviews
[15:58] <jporsini> jbicha, I reproduce with unity-2d if it helps
[15:58] <jbicha> jporsini, which bug?
[15:59] <jporsini> jbicha, 732978
[15:59] <kenvandine> jporsini: i can reproduce that
[15:59] <nmarques> guys I need some help with a small problem with nux :/
[16:00] <nmarques> http://susepaste.org/27226433
[16:00] <nmarques> Unity is crashing on me... this is the output from gdb I could get
[16:01] <nmarques> the strange thing is that the file it fails to get is actually on that location, and doesn't seem to be corrup
[16:02] <jbicha> jcastro, mine is actually at https://code.launchpad.net/unity-place-applications/+activereviews but same idea
[16:03] <jcastro> oh whoops, I should keep an eye on those
[16:10] <kenvandine> nmarques, that isn't the cause of the crash
[16:10] <kenvandine> it just doesn't have enough debug info
[16:11] <kenvandine> oh, maybe i am wrong
[16:29] <nerochiaro_> is there any launchpad project for the "commands" place in unity ?
[16:30] <nerochiaro_> and if not should i just report bugs against it in unity ?
[16:31] <tsnieman> Hey there. I had a question about what route I should go about to post an idea concerning the indicators? I posted it on Ubuntu Brainstorm a while back and got nice feedback, not sure where to go from there.
[16:32] <danyR> nerochiaro_: I think commands place is bounded to the unity-applications-place in LP
[16:32] <nerochiaro_> tsnieman: probably reporting a bug should do be the next step, i suppose
[16:33] <nerochiaro_> danyR: ok, thanks
[16:33] <tsnieman> nerochiaro_: Thanks.
[16:40] <ronoc> kenvandine, sorry for delay with that
[16:41] <ronoc> kenvandine, will upload today if you are happy with it (today being Friday after all)
[16:44] <kenvandine> :)
[16:44] <kenvandine> no worries
[16:44] <kenvandine> should be low risk
[16:44] <kenvandine> i would be more hesitate to upload a big dbusmenu change today :)
[16:45] <ronoc> kenvandine, makes sense, mainly bug fixes, rewind and fast forward should also be working
[16:46] <ronoc> now
[16:46] <kenvandine> :)
[16:46] <ronoc> just hold either button down for more than 0.8 of a second and it will start to skip in that direction
[16:49] <and471> mpt, ping
[17:10] <aruiz> njpatel, hey there
[17:11] <njpatel> aruiz, hey dude
[17:11]  * njpatel realises gnome-settings-daemon just crashed
[17:17] <njpatel> aruiz, sorry, had some system issues
[17:18] <aruiz> njpatel, heh
[17:18] <aruiz> njpatel, so, I'm hunting hackers without a hackergotchi on PGO
[17:18] <coz_> hey all
[17:19] <aruiz> njpatel, you are on my list!
[17:19] <aruiz> :-)
[17:19] <njpatel> aruiz, oh nose
[17:19] <njpatel> nose?
[17:19] <njpatel> noes
[17:19] <aruiz> ?
[17:19] <njpatel> I'll have to find a pic
[17:19] <njpatel> :)
[17:19] <aruiz> just send me a high res picture, I'll do the work
[17:19] <njpatel> Cool, will do over the weekend :)
[17:19] <aruiz> njpatel, cheers!
[17:23] <LLStarks> oh jeez
[17:23] <LLStarks> i was just looking for him
[17:23] <LLStarks> borderless ambiance looks amazing
[17:24] <LLStarks> njpatel, the resize corner needs to be more visible though
[17:25] <njpatel> LLStarks, yeah, and also less visible in certain situations (terminal)
[17:25] <LLStarks> on an lcd, it can be invisible at certain angles
[17:26] <njpatel> interesting
[17:29] <kenvandine> aruiz, your not going to tell njpatel his head isn't good enough?
[17:29] <kenvandine> that is what i was told by the former planet maintainer :)
[17:29] <njpatel> haha
[17:29] <njpatel> bloody Jeff ;)
[17:29] <kenvandine> he just said "your head isn't good enough for pgo"
[17:29] <njpatel> Was I scaring away the public?
[17:29] <kenvandine> then disappeared for 2 weeks
[17:30] <LLStarks> njpatel, resize corner falls under light-themes or another package? wanna file a bug.
[17:30] <njpatel> LLStarks, gtk
[17:30] <\sh> dear unity devs, how can I start more then one terminal from the unity launcher icon bar? ;)
[17:30] <njpatel> \sh, middle-click on the launcher
[17:31] <njpatel> \sh, even better, submit a patch to gnome-terminal that adds "Open new window" to the quicklist :)
[17:31] <aruiz> kenvandine, hahaha
[17:31] <kenvandine> njpatel, i tried that with g-t
[17:31] <LLStarks> err, which gtk
[17:31] <kenvandine> their command line option to open a new tab doesn't work
[17:31] <njpatel> oh, did it not work?
[17:31] <LLStarks> *gtk package
[17:32] <\sh> njpatel: argl...that's really difficult with a two button touchpad ;)
[17:32] <njpatel> kenvandine, but new window does, right?
[17:32] <kenvandine> no new ones
[17:32] <kenvandine> no
[17:32] <njpatel> \sh, it'll be a right click option soon :)
[17:32] <kenvandine> i wanted one for opening a new tab
[17:32] <\sh> njpatel: great...
[17:32] <njpatel> right
[17:32] <kenvandine> there is a flag for that
[17:32] <kenvandine> but it seems to get ignored
[17:32] <njpatel> \sh, Ctrl+Alt+N if you have it focused
[17:32] <njpatel> Ctrl+Shift+N
[17:32] <njpatel> even
[17:32] <njpatel> ah, that sucks
[17:33] <\sh> njpatel: that's my problem ;) I don't have all terminals always focused I just need a fast way to open new terminals ;)
[17:33] <elricl> Try Ctrl + Alt + T
[17:33] <njpatel> \sh, Ctrl+Alt+T
[17:33] <njpatel> heh
[17:33] <\sh> oh damn...yes the old shortcut
[17:34] <elricl> njpatel: Is asking a new window patch worthy? I can just change the destop file right?
[17:34] <\sh> njpatel: thx for getting my head straight :)
[17:35] <njpatel> elricl, you can, but we want it for all users right
[17:35] <njpatel> \sh, heh, np :)
[17:36]  * \sh is now waiting that the world explodes when the worlds reads a crazy idea of mine about being more apple then wanted ;)
[17:36] <elricl> njpatel: Lets say I wanna write that patch,what file should I be modifying?
[17:37] <njpatel> elricl, /usr/share/applications/gnome-terminal.desktop
[17:37] <njpatel> elricl, let me find the instructions, hold up
[17:37] <kenvandine>  --window works, but --tab opens a new window too
[17:37] <njpatel> elricl, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/LauncherAPI#Quicklists the "static quicklists" section
[17:37] <elricl> njpatel: Yeah,i actually played around it a while
[17:38] <njpatel> sweet
[17:38] <njpatel> unity probably needs a restart as I doubt it's looking at the files
[17:38] <elricl> njpatel: I am just confused,how to write a "patch" for this.
[17:38] <njpatel> elricl, oooh
[17:39] <njpatel> elricl, just add the new file to a bug, I'm sure the maintainer can patch it for you. Otherwise you'll need to aptch the packaging
[17:39] <njpatel> also, it might be nice just to get it in upstream too
[17:40] <didrocks> Kaleo: around?
[17:41] <didrocks> Kaleo: you confirmed bug #733371, I can't reproduce it
[17:41] <\sh> njpatel: is it possible to have this dbusmenu thingy also showing the menu in an appindicator ?
[17:41] <njpatel> \sh, yep, that's how it works
[17:41] <didrocks> alt + F2, type "zenity --question" works there
[17:41] <njpatel> (underneath)
[17:41] <and471> kvalo, hey, we are on OMGUbuntu :) http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/indicator-network-is-looking-good-in-natty
[17:41] <and471> kvalo, the toggleswitch looks good :)
[17:41] <elricl> Hey,I just read that there would be a Q & A section for new unity every friday,can anyone temme which channel?
[17:42] <\sh> njpatel: so my idea which just appeared on planet is not so far from reality...
[17:42]  * njpatel looks
[17:43] <kenvandine> those omg guys pick stuff up quick
[17:43] <\sh> njpatel: don't hate me or kill me or kick me ;)
[17:43] <Kaleo> didrocks: let me have a look
[17:43] <elricl> Hey,I just read that there would be a Q & A section for new unity every friday,can anyone temme which channel?
[17:43] <Kaleo> didrocks: ok, I can
[17:44] <Kaleo> didrocks: maybe it's something we do in Unity 2D?
[17:44] <njpatel> \sh, your working around the launcher....I already hate you! ;)
[17:44] <Kaleo> nerochiaro_: ^
[17:44] <njpatel> \sh, no, it's not off, you might want to look at libbamf to help you get the app information
[17:44] <njpatel> \sh, though I'm wondering what the exactly problem is that your trying to solve
[17:45] <njpatel> (maybe we can still fix it as other users might have the same issue)
[17:45] <didrocks> Kaleo: hum, do you support url activation?
[17:45] <Kaleo> didrocks: what's that?
[17:45] <didrocks> Kaleo: it's the only thing I can think of
[17:45] <didrocks> oh oh
[17:45] <nerochiaro_> Kaleo: what ?
[17:45] <didrocks> Kaleo: what does pressing enter do in unity 2D?
[17:45] <Kaleo> didrocks: right now, nothing
[17:46] <LLStarks> wow... that was a bad unity crash. compiz decorator died and my lvds went color crazy when i tried to alt-sysreq-k.
[17:46] <didrocks> Kaleo: isn't what the bug is about? :)
[17:46] <Kaleo> didrocks: no
[17:46] <Kaleo> didrocks: ah
[17:46] <Kaleo> didrocks: I see
[17:46] <didrocks> Kaleo: so, you click on the first item?
[17:46] <Kaleo> didrocks: you are correct sir
[17:46] <didrocks> Kaleo: the first item corresponds to the entry
[17:46] <didrocks> :)
[17:46] <Kaleo> didrocks: what should happen when hitting enter?
[17:46] <LLStarks> at any rate, i was wondering if connman is making the cut for natty.
[17:47] <didrocks> Kaleo: activating right now the first entry of the first group
[17:47] <\sh> njpatel: actually I would like to have something like the old style "tasklist" from fvwm...I do have really a lot of apps running on one desktop (don't use multi desktop stuff, sadly) and I want to get my app back in the foreground as fast as possible.. and having the launcher mostly not on the left side, a simple indicator would help me to find my apps again, and eventually having a textual reprsentation of the app running with opened documents
[17:47] <didrocks> Kaleo: we need to refine though so that ensuring the model is synce
[17:47] <didrocks> synced*
[17:47] <Kaleo> didrocks: ok, so that's not related
[17:47] <Kaleo> didrocks: to test we click on the first result
[17:47] <didrocks> hum
[17:47] <didrocks> and it doesn't launch?
[17:47] <Kaleo> didrocks: nope
[17:48] <Kaleo> didrocks: maybe we do something wrong
[17:48] <Kaleo> nerochiaro_: are you following this?
[17:48] <didrocks> Kaleo: can you check the model contains as the first entry: unity-runner://<command> ?
[17:48] <Kaleo> didrocks: on it
[17:48] <didrocks> Kaleo: I bet there is something in your dbus implementation
[17:48] <njpatel> \sh, interesting
[17:48] <nerochiaro_> Kaleo: so it works in unity with arguments and not in unity-2d ?
[17:48] <Kaleo> nerochiaro_: right
[17:49] <njpatel> \sh, how many apps? have you seen the <Super> N shortcuts for the launcher?
[17:49] <Kaleo> didrocks: (unrelated question, removing window borders from the theme breaks Unity 2D badly visually and I suspect classic GNOME with metacity as well, is that known?)
[17:49] <nerochiaro_> Kaleo: ok, but i will have to go out in 20 minutes or so
[17:49] <njpatel> \sh, I use them extensively now to move to an app. doing the key-combo twice gives your window spread of the application windows
[17:49] <\sh> njpatel: yes...but it doesn't help me, somehow...normally I have more then 20 terminals (gnome/terminator) and quite a lot of browser windows open...
[17:49] <didrocks> Kaleo: no. The design team should be aware of this as they manage the package
[17:50] <didrocks> Kaleo: you can point it's also an issue with the fallback (No effect)
[17:50] <Kaleo> didrocks: right
[17:50] <didrocks> which is the first experience with nvidia card
[17:50] <njpatel> \sh, aah, okay, I think I understand the use-case
[17:50] <Kaleo> didrocks: who should I ping?
[17:50] <Kaleo> didrocks: rather, who uploaded the change? :)
[17:50] <didrocks> Kaleo: let me see who uploaded the theme
[17:50] <Kaleo> :D
[17:50] <didrocks> :)
[17:51] <njpatel> \sh, I'm going to think about it over the weekend....there has to be something better than an indicator :)
[17:51] <didrocks> Kaleo: sladen is the maintainer
[17:51] <Kaleo> didrocks: hmmm, actually "zenity --warning" and then clicking on the first result works!
[17:51] <\sh> njpatel: well, it just came back to my mind, how apple was/is doing that for their apps, having the finder menu..(and I'm not an apple fanboy!!)
[17:51] <Kaleo> didrocks: I must have been clumsy!
[17:51] <Kaleo> didrocks: ok
[17:51] <Kaleo> nerochiaro_: ^
[17:51] <didrocks> Kaleo: waow? are you playing with the args? :p
[17:52] <Kaleo> nerochiaro_: actually "zenity --warning" and then clicking on the first result works!
[17:52] <njpatel> \sh, right, I don't mean to comment on your post, I meant to add something in Unity that can take care of that use-case
[17:52] <didrocks> Kaleo: the only thing that doesn't work right now is <if the first result isn't synced yet> and <if the command should be launched in a terminal>
[17:52] <njpatel> \sh, I think the designers + developers are very heavy tab users so we haven't come across that situation
[17:53] <Kaleo> didrocks: by synced you mean at the dee level?
[17:53] <nmarques> kenvandine, sry, I was out for a while, got something to attend to
[17:53] <nerochiaro_> Kaleo: here the dash just hides but i see no zenity popup
[17:53] <Kaleo> nerochiaro_: are you running from trunk?
[17:53] <\sh> njpatel: forget about the post...it was just a quick shot of something I had in my mind...20 minutes hack, taking more time to find the necessary bits and pieces for appindicator ;)
[17:53] <didrocks> Kaleo: right, that the first item entry isn't updated in unity{3,2}D (the term)
[17:53] <njpatel> \sh, heh :)
[17:54] <didrocks> nmarques: did you restart the place after upgrading?
[17:54] <nmarques> didrocks, I haven't upgraded yet
[17:54] <nmarques> didrocks, it's still nux 0.9.30 and 3.6.2
[17:54] <didrocks> oupss, nerochiaro_ ^^
[17:54] <\sh> njpatel: actually a good practice to do dive back into dbus magic ;)
[17:54] <Kaleo> didrocks: understood
[17:54] <didrocks> nmarques: ok, not that old :)
[17:54] <Kaleo> didrocks: thanks and sorry for the noise
[17:54] <didrocks> Kaleo: no worry ;)
[17:55] <nmarques> didrocks, I'm packaging the new version now
[17:55] <didrocks> nmarques: excellent, package the new places version as well :)
[17:55] <njpatel> \sh, heh, you should check out dbusmenu, it underpins a lot of unity and all the indicators
[17:55] <nmarques> didrocks, stupid question, is places required ?
[17:55] <didrocks> nmarques: no, you can remove them
[17:56] <didrocks> it's just updated only when you restart unity
[17:56] <nmarques> didrocks, I haven't packaged them as our zeitgeist stack isn't really implemented officially
[17:56] <didrocks> ok :)
[17:56] <sladen> Kaleo: I'm sure the instigator of the change (mark), the implementor of the change (njpatel) and the upload of the change (sladen) would all love to have a solid report of the (in)sanity of 0px borders.  I even opened a bug #733233 just in-case anyone might need to add such feedback!
[17:57] <kenvandine> ronoc, uploaded
[17:57] <njpatel> sladen, Kaleo As mentioned originally, fallback mode and unity2d will need some magic there
[17:57] <\sh> njpatel: jepp.I'm already reading the sources ... but somehow I'm the api documentation
[17:57] <Kaleo> sladen: I don't think that bug report describes at all the issue
[17:57] <ronoc>  kenvandine, brill thanks
[17:57] <Kaleo> sladen: metacity does not have shadows and needs borders
[17:58] <Kaleo> sladen: that's the issue
[17:58] <Kaleo> njpatel, sladen: question: why upload something we know is partly broken?
[17:59] <njpatel> Kaleo, I wasn't expecting it to be uploaded today but I don't think it's an issue. We can test it on the main setup, it's alpha
[17:59] <njpatel> It also is a beautiful way to ensure it does get fixed
[18:00] <Kaleo> njpatel: I disagree, uploading broken things is the best way to ship an incomplete product
[18:00] <njpatel> Kaleo, if there was no way to revert, yes
[18:00] <njpatel> Kaleo, but thankfully there is
[18:00] <Kaleo> njpatel: let's revert right now then
[18:00] <njpatel> hooray
[18:00] <njpatel> Kaleo, let's not, let's try and fix it
[18:01] <njpatel> Not that I have *any* control of this
[18:01] <sladen> Kaleo: you need to clearly document the issues on the bug report before we can act on it :)
[18:01] <Kaleo> sladen: let me open a bug report
[18:01] <sladen> Kaleo: I opened a bug report specifically before uploading so that it could be linked it
[18:02] <sladen> Kaleo: it's the same one I pasted above:  https://launchpad.net/bugs/733233
[18:02] <Kaleo> sladen: this bug report does not describe the issue
[18:02] <Kaleo> sladen: but I can definitely link the new bug to that one
[18:02] <sladen> Kaleo: it's the same one where I copied the relevant bits of the otherwise super-secret decision on an internal list
[18:03] <sladen> Kaleo: so that there would be a public documentation of where the request came from and when
[18:03] <Kaleo> sladen: I understand that
[18:03] <Kaleo> sladen: did Mark expect to change the behaviour for Metacity users?
[18:04] <Kaleo> sladen: has it been said to him that it would?
[18:04] <njpatel> Kaleo, I raised the concern in my first post
[18:04] <sladen> Kaleo: obviously if you can document technical grounds why we should do something else, then we can act on those
[18:04] <njpatel> "If you guys like it too, can we make something like this default for
[18:04] <njpatel> Unity? My main concern is in 2d mode (no Compiz magic), but maybe we can
[18:04] <njpatel> have a fallback for that one, or the resize grip would do..."
[18:04] <Kaleo> njpatel, sladen: I suppose part of the issue is that I was not included in that discussion
[18:04] <sladen> Kaleo: and if we do this publicly on the bugtracker it's also clear what we're responding to
[18:04] <njpatel> Kaleo, design list
[18:05] <njpatel> yes, publis
[18:05] <njpatel> publicly*
[18:05] <sladen> Kaleo: right, and this is the problem with private decisions like this.  Which ... is why I moved it on to a bug report, and linked to that /before/ uploading
[18:05] <Kaleo> sladen: that's a sane move
[18:11] <Kaleo> so, I am going to create the bug report and link to it
[18:11] <Kaleo> who is going to fix it?
[18:11] <Daekdroom> Who knows.
[18:14] <njpatel> Kaleo, I think we can do something to metacity to make it work, should be easily enough patch, will speak to sam about it
[18:14] <njpatel> Kaleo, but if you can subscribe me to the bug, much thanks
[18:15] <njpatel> have a good weekend all!
[18:15] <Kaleo> njpatel: will do
[18:15] <Kaleo> njpatel: thanks
[18:29] <kvalo> and471: nice :) good work andy!
[18:29] <Kaleo> sladen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/light-themes/+bug/733431
[18:29] <and471> kvalo, hehe, I didn't tip them off :)
[18:29] <Kaleo> sladen: thanks for the explanations, I hope that will move things forward
[18:30] <Kaleo> sladen: just attached a screenshot
[18:31] <kvalo> and471: I think we can thank jcastro for that :)
[18:31]  * jcastro looks innocent!
[18:31] <and471> ah :)
[18:31] <jcastro> and471: if you could just answer people's questions in the comments that'd be a win.
[18:31] <and471> kvalo, I think we can let him off because all the comments seemed positive :)
[18:31] <Omega> Alright, I'm going to install liferea then :)
[18:31] <and471> jcastro, ah sure I will try :)
[18:31] <jcastro> oh who fixed liferea for the launcher?
[18:32] <jcastro> DBO: around?
[18:32] <Omega> (I dunno, I am just getting tired of checking every blog manually)
[18:33] <DBO> jcastro, yes
[18:33] <jcastro> DBO: got time to review branches?
[18:33] <jcastro> it'd be nice to get these 2 new folks in before the weekend
[18:33] <DBO> jcastro, not right now
[18:33] <DBO> sorry
[18:33] <Omega> woohoo unity update \o/
[18:34] <Omega> Can anyone point me to where I can see a changelog?
[18:37] <jbicha> Omega, try https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity and just click the View Full Changelog link in the top right corner
[18:37] <and471> jcastro, I answered all the GUI stuff, but I shall leave the network technology comments to kvalo in case I embarrass myself :)
[18:37] <Omega> Thank you, brother.
[18:37] <Omega> (or sister)
[18:38] <jbicha> no problem, Launchpad has a lot of features but sometimes it's difficult to find the feature you want
[18:39] <kvalo> and471: thanks a lot. I'll answer myself tomorrow, need to get some fresh air now
[18:40] <kvalo> and471: btw, outstanding work with the toggleswitch! it was extremely easy to adapt it to the network menu
[18:40] <and471> kvalo, ah I am glad to hear it, I wasn't able to see it yet because I am not on natty, but you made it fit really well!
[18:40] <kvalo> I'm just ashamed how I implemented my making a copy of the code, but I didn't have much time
[18:41] <kvalo> and471: I just changed the background color for the active part and made ypad smaller. it was so easy that even I could do it ;)
[18:42] <and471> hehe
[18:42] <and471> kvalo, no need to be ashamed, we will (hopefully) move to Gtk.Switch for GTK3 so there is no use spending too much time on it
[18:43] <kvalo> and471: yeah, that was exactly the excuse I was telling myself
[18:43] <and471> :)
[18:43] <kvalo> :)
[18:43] <kvalo> but now I need to go, talk to you later
[19:08] <kenvandine> aruiz, lo-menubar uploaded
[19:09] <aruiz> kenvandine, nice!
[19:10] <aruiz> kenvandine, we are >< this close to have something decent
[19:10] <aruiz> :-)
[19:14] <nmarques> unity 3.6.4 breaks build with:  http://susepaste.org/78880034
[19:14] <nmarques> anything I'm missing ? :/
[19:18] <kenvandine> /usr/src/packages/BUILD/unity-3.6.4/src/PanelTray.cpp:34:62: error: 'gtk_window_set_has_resize_grip' was not declared in this scope
[19:19] <kenvandine> nmarques, you need the resize grip patch for gtk2 i suspect
[19:19] <kenvandine> 044_grips.patch in the ubuntu gtk package
[19:21] <nmarques> ok... adding it ;)
[19:21] <kenvandine> :)
[19:22] <kenvandine> that isn't new, but maybe unity didn't require it before
[19:23] <nmarques> kenvandine, yeap, I didn't got it in my gtk2 cause there was a change it the other patches would be merged with the openSUSE gtk stack
[19:25] <nmarques> Vincent not gonna like this for sure ;)
[19:28] <nmarques> kenvandine, was this patch reported to upstream?
[19:29] <kenvandine> i don't know the status of that patch
[19:29] <kenvandine> it got merged upstream in gtk3
[19:29] <kenvandine> and we have a backport of it for gtk2
[19:29] <kenvandine> tedg!
[19:30] <tedg> Hey kenvandine!
[19:31] <tedg> Are all the Europeans out drinking?  Is it safe to come out?
[19:32] <kenvandine> hehe
[19:36] <nmarques> kenvandine, cool, then we have a greater chance of Vincent letting this one slide in. I'm looking at the backport and making the necessary changes to integrate it on our GTK2 stack. should be cake. Going to report this for Vincent for review. Thanks for the info.
[19:37] <kenvandine> thx
[19:39] <danyR> I just noticed, how do I lock my screen in unity?
[19:40] <Omega> Whoa, the invisible borders are so beautiful.
[19:40] <jfi> DanRabbit, ctrl+alt+l
[19:40] <jfi> danyR, , ctrl+alt+l
[19:41] <DanRabbit> jfi: ?
[19:41] <jfi> DanRabbit, sorry for the noise, bad completion, I wanted to reply to danyR not to you
[19:41] <DanRabbit> ah no worries
[20:04] <danyR> jfi: that was the old way. now I don't seem to be able to do it, either with that keystroke or through session indicator
[20:23] <htorque> danyR, no real help, but it works fine here
[20:30] <danyR> htorque: strange. I don't even get the option in the session indicator.
[20:33] <Omega> I like this last update a lot.
[20:34] <Omega> I'm enjoying my tiny unity :)
[20:52] <kenvandine> seb128, if we ever get a new release of indicator-datetime to upload
[20:52] <kenvandine> it has a launcher for the preferences dialog
[20:52] <kenvandine> which means we don't need the g-s-t one
[20:52] <kenvandine> they even have the same name, so you can't tell them apart in the launcher
[20:53] <seb128> ok, mterry opened a bug about that yesterday, replacing the g-s-t capplet
[20:53] <seb128> not sure we need a launcher if you can open it from the indicator
[20:53] <kenvandine> no.. you can't always
[20:53] <seb128> right
[20:53] <kenvandine> you can hide the whole indicator now
[20:54] <kenvandine> so getting rid of the g-s-t ones seems best
[20:54] <LLStarks> njpatel, another nitpick. the download popup in firefox has its search bar obscured somewhat by the resize corner.
[21:27] <kenvandine> jporsini_, good work on liferea
[21:32] <jporsini_> kenvandine, thanks!
[21:32] <jporsini_> kenvandine, I wonder if I should remove the count when closing liferea or not
[21:33] <kenvandine> i didn't change any of your code, but i modifed it a bit
[21:33] <kenvandine> lp:~ken-vandine/liferea/fix-for-bug-732848
[21:33] <kenvandine> take a look
[21:33] <kenvandine> you should hide the count when it goes to 0 though
[21:33] <kenvandine> that was my only code wise feedback i had
[21:34] <kenvandine> you should also hide it on dispose too
[21:34] <jporsini_> ok, what should be nice probably is to be consistent with other application
[21:34] <kenvandine> still pushing
[21:34] <jporsini_> is there some guideline?
[21:34] <kenvandine> not that i know of
[21:34] <kenvandine> but it doesn't make sense to display a 0 there
[21:34] <kenvandine> just hide it
[21:35] <kenvandine> that is what we did in empathy and xchat
[21:35] <kenvandine> and evolution
[21:35] <jporsini_> even 0 is an information
[21:35] <kenvandine> not to me... i see it as noise
[21:35] <jporsini_> ok, so if the choice of evolution and IMs, the best is to be consistent
[21:35] <kenvandine> the lack of a number means i am good :)
[21:36] <kenvandine> yeah, just do a set visibiltiy to false on 0 and on shutdown
[21:36] <kenvandine> other great
[21:36] <kenvandine> :)
[21:36] <jporsini_> yes, easy
[21:36] <kenvandine> the changes i made are packaging related
[21:36] <kenvandine> since liferea uses patches instead of inline changes
[21:36] <kenvandine> i pushed your changes into debian/patches/libunity.patch
[21:36] <kenvandine> just to be consistent with the package
[21:37] <kenvandine> i prefer inline myself
[21:37] <jfi> I don't understand what you mean by "uses patche instead of..."
[21:37] <kenvandine> a separate patch file
[21:37] <kenvandine> in the debian/patches/ dir
[21:37] <jfi> Oo I miss this point
[21:37] <kenvandine> jporsini_ had made the source changes in the source branch
[21:37] <kenvandine> which works fine
[21:38] <kenvandine> but then you have a mix of changes in the source branch and patch files that get applied at build time
[21:38] <jfi> kenvandine, yes, I was not aware of this 'patch' possibility, that's the first time I submit somethink:)
[21:38] <kenvandine> :)
[21:38] <kenvandine> no worries
[21:39] <kenvandine> so you should be able to look at the branch i pushed and see what i changed
[21:39] <kenvandine> bzr merge  lp:~ken-vandine/liferea/fix-for-bug-732848
[21:39] <kenvandine> then bzr diff
[21:40] <kenvandine> for the record though, it doesn't look like you really need to hide the count when you quit
[21:41] <kenvandine> but it just seems like the right thing to do for me :)
[21:41] <kenvandine> i won't reject it either way
[21:41] <jporsini_> still a choice, the point is to be consistent:)
[21:41] <kenvandine> i am going to upload it as is so people can start testing it
[21:41] <kenvandine> just propose it to me again when you hide the counter
[21:43] <jporsini_> yes, I will to all changes this weekend, for the moment I am busy to do fix for my real job:)
[21:43] <kenvandine> yup, no rush :)
[21:43] <kenvandine> thx for the great work!
[21:43] <jporsini_> thx for the review!
[21:43] <kenvandine> anytime!
[21:47] <kenvandine> jporsini_, oh, actually not going to upload this yet :)
[21:47] <kenvandine> we need to get the release team to approve it
[21:48] <kenvandine> jporsini_, so after you get that change done, lets get the release team to approve it
[21:49] <jporsini_> kenvandine, ok, what is the process for this step? Do I need to do something?
[21:49] <kenvandine> just subscribe ubuntu-release to the bug
[21:49] <kenvandine> but first let me review the last change
[21:49] <kenvandine> so there isn't a bunch more back and forth or anything
[21:49] <jporsini_> ok
[21:50] <kenvandine> this kind of makes me want to use liferea again :)
[21:52] <jporsini_> kenvandine, I have reviewed your changes, it is just about moving changes to a 'patch', right?
[21:52] <kenvandine> yup
[21:53] <jporsini_> ok, so to resume:
[21:53] <jporsini_> 1) turn unvisible the counter when unread item == 0
[21:53] <jporsini_> 2) turn off the counter when the application is closed
[21:54] <kenvandine> yes
[21:54] <kenvandine> and 2 isn't very important...
[21:54] <kenvandine> afaict
[21:54] <jporsini_> yes and it is impossible to implement it in all cases
[21:54] <jporsini_> if liferea crash.... no way:)
[21:54] <kenvandine> yeah
[22:32] <jbicha> kenvandine: why is your extension not named libreoffice-globalmenu ?
[22:50] <jbicha> nm, I guess there was already a bug about that
[23:27] <danyR> DBO: Is Software Center really going to have Unity integration as it's in the spec (I just read it! :D) ?


[06:06] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:11] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[06:14] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:38] <jibel> bonjour duflu and oSoMoN
[06:40] <duflu> Hi jibel
[06:44] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[09:03] <Laney> ho de ho
[09:05] <oSoMoN> hey Laney
[09:06] <Laney> hey oSoMoN
[09:06] <seb128> gggoood morning desktopers
[09:12]  * Laney nods seb128
[09:58] <Trevinho> One more hackfest...
[09:58] <Trevinho> https://wiki.gnome.org/Hackfests/ShellExtensions2020
[10:08] <seb128> Trevinho, hey Marco! someone was also mentioning a settings one yesterday I think, unsure if that's real though
[10:08] <seb128> nice to see a snap/flatpak on the list with Canonical suggesting it :-)
[10:09] <Trevinho> Yeah, nice indeed
[10:09] <Trevinho> seb128: good, nice to see Hackfests coming.
[10:12] <Laney> mobile user spotted!
[10:23] <jibel> default desktop snap packages are reinstalled during upgrade to focal. Is it really what we want to do?
[10:24] <jibel> removing them before the upgrade makes the upgrader crash. I'm looking for the right way to fix this.
[10:24] <Laney> like removed and installed?
[10:24] <jibel> yeah, removed manually from eoan then upgrade to focal
[10:24] <Laney> no wait
[10:25] <Laney> do you mean: all of the snaps are removed and installed again
[10:25] <Laney> or: if I remove a snap, it is put back onto my system
[10:25] <jibel> I removed them from eoan, upgraded to focal and they are reinstalled by the upgrader.
[10:25] <Laney> indeed, sounds buggy
[10:34] <Laney> jibel: looks like this function needs to check if the .deb was installed before installing the snap? https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-upgrader/tree/DistUpgrade/DistUpgradeQuirks.py#n515
[10:34] <Laney> or in _prepare_snap_replacement_data
[10:36] <Laney> neat, it does have code to refresh to the stable/ubuntu-foo channel for the new series, was expecting that to be missing
[10:36] <jibel> Laney, yes, I'll fix it with the other crash
[10:36] <Laney> coolio
[10:37] <Laney> we need to make this support snap2deb too btw, not sure if that interests you at the same time :-)
[10:37] <jibel> just fixing automated tests ATM
[10:42] <Laney> okey
[11:38] <seb128> Laney, do you know offhand if SRU builds with proposed enabled?
[11:39] <Laney> yes they do
[11:39] <seb128> Trevinho, ^ so yeah, backport that vala fix
[11:40] <seb128> ricotz isnt around to complain about the fact that the vala bionic SRU creates build issue for other components
[11:40] <seb128> I will comment on the bug though
[11:40] <Trevinho> seb128: iirc I enabled it in my schroot as for this, probably Laney was also the one pushing me to do it
[11:40] <Laney> what are you on about
[11:42] <seb128> Laney, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vala/0.40.17-0ubuntu1 makes gnome-calculator trigger https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-calculator/merge_requests/17
[11:42] <seb128> rather the error fixed by that mr
[11:44] <seb128> Trevinho notices while testing a fix for a regression in his currently gnome-calculator/bionic SRU
[11:44] <Laney> I see
[13:19] <seb128> Laney, seems like the glib update makes glib-networking autopkgtests fail (mentioning since I happened to look at the report and those don't trigger notifications, sorry for the noise if you were already aware)
[13:22] <Laney> yeah I saw thanks, going to look into it
[15:12] <jibel> I get this when I git push to LP
[15:12] <jibel> $ git push  lp:~jibel/ubuntu-release-upgrader
[15:12] <jibel> fatal: remote error: Path translation timed out.
[15:12] <jibel> has anyone seen this or am I doing something wrong here?
[15:39] <Laney> jibel: think there's some kind of LP bug regarding that, perhaps try #launchpad
[15:59] <jibel> Laney, that was it, cjwatson fixed it.
[16:01] <Laney> cool
[16:10] <hellsworth> good morning folks!
[16:14] <jibel> hi hellsworth
[16:15] <hellsworth> hi jibel!
[16:16] <Laney> hey hellsworth
[16:16] <Laney> what's going on g
[16:17] <hellsworth> oh not much. getting into the thick of a cold i think
[16:17] <hellsworth> jsut gotta power through today and tomorrow :)
[16:21] <Laney> sux
[16:21] <hellsworth> eh it could be worse
[16:22] <hellsworth> looking forward to the break
[17:11] <seb128> kenvandine, do you think you could squeeze in backporting the commit mentioned on bug #1856927 to focal today if you have some free slot? it makes totem segfault on start on fiscal, I'm away from my main desktop until holidays and managed to screw my key on the laptop :/
[17:43] <kenvandine> seb128: i can try
[17:43] <kenvandine> got several things scheduled for this afternoon
[17:43] <seb128> kenvandine, thx, if you don't have time don't worry that can wait for after holidays
[17:43] <kenvandine> i can probably get to it in the morning
[17:43] <seb128> thx
[20:00] <gQuigs> does anyone have a good description of what cursors are for X11 apps (from xrestop for example) - I'm guessing it's an allocation to do transitions of some kind with the mouse cursor..
[20:02] <gQuigs> to show up differently over different kinds of backgrounds, like over text vs other things..
[20:35] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, aday was asking about https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/issues/681 - is that something you've been involved in?
[20:35] <robert_ancell> I'm assuming willcooke is probably not going to follow that up at the moment :)
[20:38] <kenvandine> nope :)
[20:39] <kenvandine> i haven't been involved
[21:01] <robert_ancell> hellsworth, what's the simplest way to build a GTK snap these days? I want to update https://github.com/robert-ancell/multipass-gui to be able to build.
[21:01] <hellsworth> does the snap not currently build?
[21:02] <hellsworth> oh it's missing the desktop-gtk3 section or you can use the gnome-3-28 extension
[21:02] <hellsworth> if you'd like, i can take a go at tryig to make it build..
[21:03] <robert_ancell> hellsworth, please do :)
[21:03] <hellsworth> okey dokey
[21:03] <robert_ancell> I think it relied on the method of the day, which I'm guessing is no longer applicable.
[21:07] <hellsworth> robert_ancell: why is it classic confinement?
[21:07] <robert_ancell> hellsworth, because it has to run the 'multipass' command
[21:07] <hellsworth> hmm ok so it needs to be classically confined
[21:08] <hellsworth> i wonder why the gnome-3-28 extension doesn't support classic confinement
[21:08] <robert_ancell> This is not a project that is being worked on, but want it fixed because others are still using it (https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/multipass-gui/8067/14) and just don't want to leave bad examples around
[21:09] <hellsworth> fair enough
[21:14] <robert_ancell> hellsworth, I also have a not work related project that I want to snap (https://github.com/robert-ancell/microflash). I had a go back when I made it, but the need to access USB devices was tricky. I really wanted it to be strictly confined rather than classic. I ended up making a Snap like PPA, but it's not as nice. Would love some advice on if that's do-able these days.
[21:15] <robert_ancell> Ah, now I remember. The big issue is registering a MIME type.
[21:15] <robert_ancell> That's kind of essential to make it work.
[21:16] <hellsworth> i have not yet dealt with registering MIME types in snaps
[21:16] <hellsworth> kenvandine: what was the thought behind extensions only supporting strict and devmode confinement?
[21:16] <robert_ancell> hellsworth, should you be looking for a simple example to try... :) :) :)
[21:17] <hellsworth> hint taken robert_ancell :)
[21:17] <robert_ancell> Was I that subtle??
[21:19] <hellsworth> robert_ancell: it looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1849094 is still open and I don't see a workaround
[21:19] <robert_ancell> subscribed.
[21:36] <hellsworth> robert_ancell: https://github.com/robert-ancell/multipass-gui/pull/5
[21:36] <robert_ancell> hellsworth, thanks!
[21:36] <hellsworth> my pleasure
[21:37] <kenvandine> hellsworth: can't really work with classic
[21:37] <hellsworth> but why not
[21:39] <robert_ancell> hellsworth, "Could not find a required package in 'build-packages': python3-distutils"
[21:39] <hellsworth> oh shoot
[21:40] <hellsworth> i have a hacked verison of snapcraft installed so let me try agian with the stable snapcraft :)
[21:41] <hellsworth> robert_ancell: did you see that when trying to build?
[21:41] <robert_ancell> hellsworth, came out of the CI build
[21:42] <robert_ancell> https://travis-ci.org/robert-ancell/multipass-gui/builds/627437203 if you can see that
[21:42] <hellsworth> yep thanks
[21:44] <hellsworth> i'm building it now as in the pr, but with the stable snapcraft
[21:44] <hellsworth> if it builds and runs fine here without adding python3-distutils, then i guess that's something that docker needs?
[21:46] <robert_ancell> hellsworth, yeah, I wasn't sure where that error was coming from. Snapcraft is the only part of the source that has 'build-packages', so I would have thought it was required for that.
[21:46] <hellsworth> yeah
[21:47] <hellsworth> it built ok over here with teh stable snapcraft
[21:47] <robert_ancell> hellsworth, actually, I'm using the ubuntudesktop/gnome-3-26-1604 docker image - kenvandine is that no longer appropriate?
[21:47] <robert_ancell> I guess it should be an 18.04 image.
[21:48] <kenvandine> Not with core18
[21:50] <hellsworth> well robert_ancell we could just add python3-distutils to the build section and see if that appeases the docker build?
[21:51] <hellsworth> it shouldn't affect the final snap anyways
[21:52] <robert_ancell> hellsworth, I'm just thinking if it's not actually required in the snap then it should be done the level above, i.e. either use a newer image of apt install it.
[21:53] <robert_ancell> I'll try switching to https://hub.docker.com/r/ubuntudesktop/gnome-3-28-1804
[21:54] <robert_ancell> The original issue was actually that it was built against a too old version of GTK for some desktop, so this is probably the right thing to do anyway.
[21:56] <robert_ancell> Oh wait, snapcraft is going to build inside a VM isn't it? So the docker image is not so important. So many layers...
[21:57] <hellsworth> can you setup travis to use multipass?
[21:59] <robert_ancell> I guess if you install multipass inside the docker image then snapcraft would use it?
[22:00] <robert_ancell> It looks like it's being built locally, but working now.
[22:00] <robert_ancell> Success!
[22:02] <hellsworth> woo hoo! so just switching your docker did the trick?
[22:03] <robert_ancell> yes
[22:03] <hellsworth> hot dog!
[22:04] <robert_ancell> Hmm, it's not showing up in snapcraft.io, but Travis said it uploaded it.
[22:04] <hellsworth> hmm. maybe check back in 5 min?
[22:05] <robert_ancell> Previously it's been instantaneous, and haven't got an email saying it's in a queue. Yeah, hopefully will turn up soon.
[22:05] <hellsworth> indeed
[22:06] <robert_ancell> hellsworth, thanks for the fixes!
[22:07] <hellsworth> no problem :)
[22:19] <robert_ancell> ah, it was my shonky Travis config.
[22:20] <robert_ancell> Looks like I need to update SNAP_TOKEN in Travis as well.
[22:21] <robert_ancell> SNAP_TOKEN is just the macaroon, right?
[22:22] <robert_ancell> https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/deployment/snaps/ is pretty vague
[22:27] <kenvandine> robert there is now an ubuntudesktop-3-28-1804 docker image
[22:27] <kenvandine> nevermind, you figured that out :)
[22:27] <kenvandine> yeah, and snapcraft using multipass is great :)
[22:30] <hellsworth> kenvandine: what would the env var be to add to the override-build section to add the built binary to the prime dir?
[22:30] <hellsworth> or maybe i just cp it
[22:30] <hellsworth> no env var necessary
[22:30] <hellsworth> ok nmv
[22:30] <kenvandine> yup
[22:30] <kenvandine> I think you want to use something like $SNAPCRAFT_PRIME
[22:30]  * kenvandine doesn't recall the env for that
[22:31] <kenvandine> but the most reliable way to do that
[22:32] <hellsworth> yeah my problem is that the binary built that lives in parts/cherrytree/build/cherrytree doesn't get primed: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2RzfhRk8qp/
[22:32] <hellsworth> in fact, the prime directory doesn't have a usr component at all
[22:33] <hellsworth> so i guess i need to mkdir -p ../prime/usr/bin and then cp it to there, but that seems hacky
[22:34] <hellsworth> i figured it would be better to just snap the c++ version of cherrytree since the commits show that it's actively being developed, even if the developer is not the most communicative
[22:34] <hellsworth> rather than rewriting the app
[22:34] <hellsworth> before i had snapped the python2 version that is no longer seeing develoopment
[22:35] <hellsworth> are you around tomorrow ken?
[23:32] <robert_ancell> hellsworth, The store was unable to accept this snap.
[23:32] <robert_ancell>   - confinement 'classic' not allowed with plugs/slots
[23:33] <robert_ancell> I guess you can't make a classic snap that accesses the themes?
[23:36] <hellsworth> interesting
[23:36] <hellsworth> well lemme try to remove those plugs/slots and rebuilt
[23:36] <hellsworth> it was a hunch to add them
[23:45] <hellsworth> yeah it builds and runs just fine without the plugs
[23:46] <hellsworth> there are a lot of fontconfig warnings and errors though. i mean they were there even with the plugs. but fyi..
[23:48] <hellsworth> oh it looks like you've already removed it
[23:48] <hellsworth> good on you robert_ancell :)
[23:48] <hellsworth> i was gonna make another mr but nvm :)
[23:49] <hellsworth> ok i gotta run. see some of yous tomorrow!
[23:50] <hellsworth> robert_ancell: if you still have issues with that snap, ping me on telegram so i'll see it
[23:51] <robert_ancell> hellsworth, woohoo, it's uploaded to edge now.


[00:11] <Nomkid> how do you even access krunner
[00:11] <Nomkid> I opened it by accident once and didn't know what it was
[00:12] <Nomkid> I'm used to just using Super+<name of program>+click
[01:11] <threebar> another issue i noticed with Discover in Kubuntu is that I go to an application's page and the "install" button is missing until I resize the window. it's as if the default button position is initialized improperly and a resize is needed to update the QML property and the binding gets the right location for the button
[02:26] <h1pot> I'm having really slow boot times due to snap related services at startup, can anyone help me?
 Sorry, I have no idea how to assist with slow boot snap related issues.
[03:41] <user|16741> HI folks
[03:42] <user|16741> if im making a live portable install is it safe to use rufus from windows or do i need to use something like balena etcher, boot into kubuntu and then install to my portable drive?
[03:42] <user|16741> by the first option I mean telling rufus to set X size persistent drive
 Either of those should work fine.
[03:42] <user|16741> thanks
[03:43] <user|16741> i was dicking with manjaro yesterday doing the same thing and broke it
[03:43] <user|16741> im more familiar with ubuntu and like KDE so trying this
[03:43] <user|16741> and my base station setup combines nvidia amd cards, intel integrated all running at once for 4 outputs
[03:43] <user|16741> so its fucky
 Give it a spin in a live session, but I recommend full install including NVidia drivers for best experience.
[03:46] <user|16741> any idea if i should expect issues with this:
[03:46] <user|16741> nvidia->primary monitor
[03:47] <user|16741> amd->stereo+second monitor
[03:47] <user|16741> intel_integrated->tv
[03:47] <user|16741> the stereo is hdmi video+7.1digital
[03:48] <user|16741> im trying to find a portable OS that handles my home setup ok since anywhere else i take it will likely be more simple
 Sounds like a fun challenge but should be manageable as long as all video cards are enabled in the BIOS.
[03:49] <user|16741> sounds good thanks!
 I just added backports to 20.10
 sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports  … sudo apt-get update
 - but no new packages are pulled in for update! ??
 sudo apt full-upgrade
 I tried that also!
 sudo apt full-upgrade … Reading package lists... Done … Building dependency tree        … Reading state information... Done … Calculating upgrade... Done … 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 0 not to upgrade.
 https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports?field.series_filter=groovy
 Only a few packages are in 20.10 backports
 If I am not mistaken, I think QT deps limited what was easily backportable.
 But in approximately one month, 21.04 will be reeleased.
 hmm, I was expecting an upgrade to 5.20. Yes, new version coming soon but I am having issues and hoping an upgrade would sort them.
 "kdeinit5 unexpectedly closed"
 Launchers not having favourites and recent app included anymore.
 I found 20.10 to be "bit rough around the edges" myself.  I have been testing 21.04 beta on a few my systems and it's pretty solid so far...
 This: the process for the activity protocol died unexpectantly - get plastered across my desktop when I boot in.
 @DarinMiller, Good to hear! I may update to the beta before release then.
 Spamming crashes on boot is bit more extreme than what I experienced.... which video card are you running?
 nvidia 😑
 Proprietary driver? If so, driver version?
 I've no idea. What is the best way to find out?
 I cannot see it in the nvidia app.
 450
 I see 460 is available in the software center!
 Yes, I recommend updating to the 460. I had issues with one of the 45x series, but 460 has been very good.
 Ok, shall do! Cheers!
 No joy. I still have the same issues: Application: kdeinit5 (kdeinit5), signal: Aborted and the process for the activity protocol died unexpectantly
 You could try live booting a beta version of 21.04 to determine if the new release still has issues.  By chance did you search bugs.kde.org for kdeinit5 issues?
 @DarinMiller, Just a duckduckgo search. I will check the bug reports! Good idea!
 Ugh! I am getting screen tearing now with the updated nvidia. 😞
 (Photo, 1035x1137) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/a9TYlyGa/file_42508.jpg I have to run one of my monitors with Force composition pipeline to eliminate tearing:
 Advanced option in NVidia Settings.
 I do not seem to get your exact window! ?
 (Photo, 932x927) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/L0YMLzsr/file_42509.jpg
 Click the Advance button near the bottom
 (Photo, 932x927) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/CNMpsJ4v/file_42510.jpg
 Optimus laptop?
 🤷🏻♂
 Dell Precison 5520
 (Photo, 1232x1137) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/0e0HUmEG/file_42511.jpg Strange. On my optimus laptop (Dell 7559) Synchronization is on:
 It was on by default....
 Is vsync on in System Setting -> Display and Monitor -> Compositor?
 You could also try  using xrender as your rendering backend (same SS location).
 I tried full screen repaint - to no effect.
 xrender makes everything transparent and weird.
 I bought this laptop with linux installed by Dell. It does not seem to have made any difference. My Xiaomi laptop like linux better!
[04:48] <gileno> .
 Hi, Does anyone face the issue "No system certificates available. Try installing ca-certificates", but the system already has ca-certificates?
 Well, the 'On demand" Nvidia setting gets rid of the tearing - but I would assume it would be back in full power nvidia mode.
 The on demand allows you to launch specific apps/games with using NVidia card while the desktop runs on the Intel card.
[05:05] <JonyPooh> hey guys, i'm trying to install lirc with apt install, and it wants to pull in pulseaudio and jack2 (this is a headless install), does anyone know how I can customize the install dependencies?
 @JonyPooh, I guess you need to edit control file and re-build the package.
[05:09] <JonyPooh> darkknight1608: thank you for the push in the right direction (i hope)
[05:13] <user|15177> hey its me again
[05:14] <user|15177> so is the live enviroment you boot into ok to use in the sense i can disable the installer popup and just use that copy or do i need to do an installation to make a fully function enviroment?
[05:16] <user|5382> had to reconnect
[05:21] <jackdripper> hello
[05:22] <jackdripper> i need help my front audio jack is not working i am not getting sound
[05:22] <jackdripper> back audio jack is working fine though
[05:22] <JonyPooh> I think im going to have to compile lirc my self
[05:46] <user|5382> so is the live you can boot into from rufus a full enviroment and i can discard the installation app? or do i need to install on a second drive?
[05:47] <user|5382> i tried a manual install and targetted my drive but its not bootable after
[05:47] <user|5382> if i do a guided install it doesnt seem to let me place the boot location/drive properly
[05:47] <user|5382> im trying to make a portable install
 hi
 how do i get kubuntu source code?
[10:05] <Maik> @cyber54murai11 https://www.reddit.com/r/Kubuntu/comments/l9666f/kubuntu_source_code/
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[16:06] <latincanadian> hello guys, since i ipgrade my os to gorillaz my videos are having a huge lag, i cant see practically nothing full screen on my computer without mention my HDMI Tv . is there any solution to this , or its a but with new kubuntu versions?
 Try changing System Settings -> Display and Monitor -> Compositor -> Rending Backend to xrender


[08:18] <hedge104> Hi, I got a problem while compiling nepomukannotation. It was working fine with kubuntu11.04... now i upgraded it to 11.10.... all kdelibs,kde-runtime work fine without any problem. but nepomukannotation gives this error: http://paste.kde.org/148628/  also in the new version of kubuntu, all kde packages give some warning like this: http://paste.kde.org/148652/
[08:47] <bambee> morning
[12:00] <Riddell> good morning
[12:01] <Riddell> guess what?  I'm back!
[12:01] <nihui> good morning!
[12:01] <Riddell> I wonder what needs doing
[12:01] <Riddell> lots of merges no doubt
[12:03] <jussi> Riddell: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:03]  * jussi hugs Riddell
[12:11] <Riddell> :)
[12:11] <Riddell> nice to be missed :)
[12:15]  * Tm_T huggles all
[12:20] <Saviq> hi all, are there any efforts around packaging Qt 4.8 going on for Precise?
[12:21] <Saviq> debfx: I got pointed at you by didrocks ^?
[12:23] <Riddell> Saviq: we don't generally package Qt until it makes releases, what's the motivation?
[12:25] <Saviq> Riddell: trying some stuff out, but I got you, will manage myself
[13:36]  * Riddell merging qt, this packaging stuff is fiddly
[13:37]  * Quintasan goes to get some food before fighting with maliit
[13:38] <davmor2> Riddell: it's tying the bow at the end of wrapping isn't it ;)
[13:38] <Quintasan> lol
[13:38] <jussi> ooh its davmor2, some throw something at him! :P
[13:38] <Quintasan> huh
[13:38] <Quintasan> like what
[13:38] <Quintasan> bricks?
[13:39]  * Quintasan throws apachelogger at davmor2
[13:39] <jussi> nah... cream pies!  What would you like to raise?
[14:16] <CaptainKnots> well I just did a dist-upgrade and am wondering what it's going to break
[14:16] <CaptainKnots> haha
[14:16] <CaptainKnots> also, should I remove fglrx before I reboot?
[14:17] <jussi> CaptainKnots: no idea... I dont upgrade at least ill alpha 3 or so
[14:17] <CaptainKnots> well, I'll report my findings after I find out then
[14:17] <jussi> CaptainKnots: you are probably better asking in #ubuntu+1 - it covers kubuntu as well and its more from a user support perspective. (although here isnt so bad either)
[14:18] <jussi> although it might be a little dead atm
[14:18] <CaptainKnots> I must say kubuntu 11.10 surprised me
[14:18] <jussi> cant imagine many people are running it atm
[14:18] <CaptainKnots> I haven't used ubuntu since hoary, and I was installing 11.10 for my aunt and it drew me back to kde
[14:18] <CaptainKnots> that unity crap is annoying though
[14:20] <jussi> ahh well, we arent really into slagging unity here. (personally I feel its not bad, just different).
[14:20] <CaptainKnots> I'm not slagging it
[14:21] <CaptainKnots> just stating my opinion from a usability standpoint
[14:21] <CaptainKnots> to each their own
[14:53] <Riddell> agateau: how did you get on with qt-at-spi?  any progress or should I just update to unset QT_ACCESSIBILITY in KDE apps?
[14:54] <agateau> Riddell: ah right, I was "successfully" able to crash a qt-only app with qt-at-spi enabled :/
[14:54] <Riddell> fooey
[14:54] <agateau> Riddell: I was waiting for feedback before I file an SRU which would disable a11y for all Qt apps except unity-2d
[14:54] <agateau> Riddell: got the ok from fregl today, will work on it tomorrow probably
[14:55] <Riddell> I guess that's the best option, thanks
[14:56] <agateau> unfortunately
[14:56] <agateau> hopefully qt-at-spi will be in a much better shape for 12.04
[14:57] <fregl> it will be. and that version is worth fixing. please go ahead and test :)
[15:08] <agateau> fregl: yeah \o/
[16:08] <pnh7> Hi Kubuntu developers, I have a problem with kde/nepomukannotation compilation in kubuntu 11.10... I was using kubuntu 11.04 for kde development..then I upgraded to 11.10.. suddenly it started giving some LINKing related error.. http://paste.kde.org/148994/
[16:09] <pnh7> can some one help me with this?
[16:09] <pnh7> I'm getting this after upgrading to 11.10
[16:09] <pnh7> this message clearly says something is wrong with linking: http://paste.kde.org/149000/
[16:13] <tsdgeos> pnh7: have you tried nuking your build dir and recompiling from scratch?
[16:14] <pnh7> tsdgeos:yes... I compiled everything from scratch(kdelibs,kde-runtime etc)...
[16:15] <pnh7> everything works fine except nepomukannotation...
[16:15] <tsdgeos> ok, no idea then
[16:15] <yofel> pnh7: the details are on http://wiki.debian.org/ToolChain/DSOLinking - do what gcc says: add the library to the linker command line in cmake
[16:16] <pnh7> yofel: okay..
[17:00] <Darkwing> claydoh: how do you see users in a channel with quasseldroid?
[17:01] <Riddell> tab completion :)
[17:04] <Darkwing> that the only way? I might see about borrowing /name for it
[17:04] <Darkwing> grrrr @ kmail.
[17:04] <Darkwing> it stops dling imap messages
[17:14] <Saviq> fregl: hi again, I just tried to run unity-2d with Qt 4.8-RC1, the QML Accessible seems not to be there? do we still have to backport stuff for that?
[17:14] <Saviq> or probably just reuse some of the patches from our current packages?
[17:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: do we care if phonon build-deps on libqzeitgeist-dev yet?
[17:19]  * Riddell crys as his build of Qt runs out of disk space
[17:19] <Darkwing> Ouch.
[17:19] <Darkwing> I'm about to put back in my other harddrive...
[17:20] <Darkwing> 32GB of SSD is starting to get low too often.
[17:26] <hggdh> rbelem: ping
[17:37] <markey> is it normal that Nepomuk always screams errors on computer restart?
[17:37] <markey> 3 popups, always the same
[17:38] <Riddell> it is if it crashes
[17:46] <Riddell> fregl: attica 0.2.80 < 0.2.9 ?
[17:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: not particularly, though tdfischer is the guy to talk to
[17:57] <apachelogger> he'll be able to advertise the numerous advantages
[20:19] <Riddell> bah, fail, my first merge and I forget to remove a universe build-dependency
[21:10] <micahg> Riddell: is there a reason that you're using lzma and not xz?
[21:20] <Riddell> micahg: for what?
[21:20] <Riddell> and what's the difference?
[21:21] <micahg> Riddell: debs, xz is in minimal, lzma isn't
[21:22] <Riddell> micahg: so I should do   dh --with xz?
[21:22]  * micahg would have to look that up
[21:24] <micahg> dh_builddeb -- -Zxz  (would need an override for dh7+ AFAIK)
[21:24] <micahg> Riddell: either way you need a pre-depends
[21:25] <micahg> for xz it's on dpkg to support LTS to LTS upgrades, for lzma, it's on lzma
[21:27] <apachelogger> micahg: we use lzma because at the time that stuff was introduced there was no xz (support) :P
[21:27] <micahg> apachelogger: right, but you need a pre-depends on lzma to do it since it's not in minimal anymore
[21:27] <apachelogger> I believe switching to xz is the right solution there
[21:28] <Riddell> who's a c++ guru who knows how to fix this? "debugger/qdeclarativedebugserver.cpp:212:86: error: format not a string literal and no format arguments [-Werror=format-security]"
[21:28] <Riddell> it's in this file http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/blobs/4.7/src/declarative/debugger/qdeclarativedebugserver.cpp
[21:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: just stream into qWarning() like in line 205
[21:32] <apachelogger> which is actually why this code is funny in 205 it streams into qwarning doing implicit type conversion in 210 it doesn't and breaks its neck
[21:33] <apachelogger> not only inconsistent but apparenlty also flawed ^^
[21:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, l10n of rekonq is outdated now
[21:38] <apachelogger> we need a langpack update with rekonq 0.8 data
[21:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: in oneiric?
[21:41] <apachelogger> yus
[21:41] <apachelogger> we shipped with 0.7.90
[21:41] <apachelogger> updates now holds 0.8
[21:41] <apachelogger> and upstream complains about how our translations are not updated to 0.8
[21:43] <Riddell> fooey
[21:43]  * Riddell makes todo item
[22:15] <fregl> Riddell: badly communicated + BIC as far as I understand, so there will be a fixed libattica 0.3.0 I hope
[22:16] <debfx> micahg: currently there is no automatic way to add the Pre-Depends necessary for data.tar.xz and I don't see a pressing reason why we need to switch to xz
[22:16] <Riddell> which is nice, solves that nasty version numbering :)
[22:16] <micahg> debfx: if you're using lzma debs you also need a pre-depends onlzma
[22:16] <Riddell> debfx: I'm looking to see if I can write an xz.pm for debhelper to do it
[22:17] <debfx> micahg: why would we need to pre-depend on lzma?
[22:17] <micahg> debfx: not in minimal
[22:18] <micahg> unless dpkg has built in lzma support w/out an external library
[22:18] <debfx> dpkg depends on liblzma so how can it not be minimal
[22:19] <micahg> debfx: in what release?
[22:19] <debfx> Riddell: I don't believe that's possible unless you add something like Pre-Depends: ${misc:Pre-Depends} to all packages
[22:20] <debfx> micahg: precise, dpkg -> xz-utils -> liblzma2
[22:20] <Riddell> debfx: right that would be needed but e.g. qt already has that
[22:21] <debfx> yes, that's necessary for multi-arched packages but if we just wait until next cycle to switch to xz we can avoid the Pre-Depends mess
[22:21] <micahg> debfx: hmm, weird, ok, yeah, liblzma is minimal
[22:21] <micahg> but lzma isn't
[22:21] <micahg> and for some reason I thought lzma was needed
[22:22] <micahg> ah, ok, I get my issue now...it's needed for my use case of embedded tarball, but not for deb packages
[22:22] <micahg> Riddell: apachelogger: debfx: sorry for the noise...
[22:23] <Riddell> lzma it is then
[22:28] <apachelogger> actually xz it is :P
[22:29] <apachelogger> just that lzma is a non-issue
[22:29] <apachelogger> except for pointless lintian warnings btw
[22:31] <debfx> that warning will be removed in the next lintian version
[22:31] <micahg> xz does need the pre-depends (archive enforced)
[22:32] <debfx> the lzma-deb-archive warning
[22:32] <micahg> ah


[08:50] <zzarr> hello! is there a way to detect if I try to build a project as a click (like it's possible with android by writing android { <android stuff here> } ?
[08:59] <zzarr> I solved it by adding CONFIG+=ubuntu in the qmake arguments for the kit
[15:08] <renato__> popey, hey, do you know who can review this? https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu-filemanager-app/no-hardcoded-icons/+merge/307857
[15:08] <renato__> popey, this is necessary to get it snapped :D
[16:38] <pmcgowan> renato__, I would just have one of our app guys review it
[20:37] <mrqtros> bzoltan hello
[20:48] <mrqtros> bzoltan ping
[21:16] <jarnos> Any advice from here to the task? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2016-October/017000.html