[00:03] <mwhudson> er does cmd/snap progress reporting essentially assume that any task where total > 1 is downloading something?
[00:03] <mwhudson> that sounds like a chipaca question
[00:54] <mwhudson> behold my snazzy progress bar! https://asciinema.org/a/aTbeNl5BnF2jtbWlXZT8ed7eE
[05:35] <zyga> Hello
[06:07] <mborzecki> morning
[06:08] <zyga> hey mborzecki  :-)
[06:08] <zyga> how are you doing>?
[06:08] <mborzecki> zyga: hey
[06:08] <mborzecki> zyga: fine, 'connections' landed yesterday :)
[06:09] <zyga> I saw, nice work  :)
[06:10] <mborzecki> zyga: hm need to figure out why the spread test fails in #6485
[06:10] <mup> PR #6485: interfaces/seccomp: regenerate changed profiles only <⛔ Blocked> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6485>
[06:11] <mborzecki> zyga: the small s-c patches are waiting for perdronis right?
[06:11] <zyga> mborzecki: and jdstrand
[06:11] <zyga> mborzecki: I'm making breakfast for kids now
[06:37] <zyga> re
[06:37] <zyga> mborzecki: looks l like core18 + snapd not working
[06:38] <zyga> mborzecki: did you try to get a debug shell?
[06:38] <zyga> though given that this is prepare it  may be broken too
[06:38] <mborzecki> zyga: which pr?
[06:38] <zyga> perhaps  we need  to adjust that code thttps://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6485
[06:38] <mup> PR #6485: interfaces/seccomp: regenerate changed profiles only <⛔ Blocked> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6485>
[06:38] <zyga> so that we bail out early if snap is not on path
[06:39] <mborzecki> zyga: stuck looking at some review now
[06:39] <zyga> ok
[06:39] <mborzecki> zyga: but that's interesting
[08:03] <pstolowski> mornings
[08:05] <mvo> good morning pstolowski
[08:15] <zyga> Hey Paweł, Michael
[08:18] <mborzecki> pstolowski, mvo: morning guys
[08:19] <mvo> hey zyga and mborzecki !
[08:24] <mvo> 6492 needs a second review (its on the 2.38 critical path)
[08:25] <mvo> pedronis: 6356 looks good to me, unless you want to do something with it I will merge it
[08:26] <mup> PR snapd#6560 closed: cmd/snap-confine: drop uid from random /tmp name <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6560>
[08:26] <mup> PR snapd#6561 closed: cmd/snap-confine: chown private /tmp to root.root <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6561>
[08:32] <pedronis> mvo: it's fine to merge for me,  but make sure people are aware you would like follow ups
[08:34] <mvo> pedronis: I will wait for john - followups are not strictly needed, its mostly ideas/suggestions nothing strictly required
[08:34] <pedronis> ok
[08:37] <mborzecki> 5.0 kernel is already in testing repo in arch, hope we don't make any assumptions about kernel versions in our code
[08:41] <pedronis> mborzecki: we compare it in a couple of places to see if it's higher than some version
[08:42] <pedronis> but usually there's a distro check as well
[08:42] <pedronis> mborzecki: I see code like in apparmor backend.go seccomp backend.go and sanity/version.go
[08:42] <pedronis> they should be fine afaict
[08:42] <mborzecki> yeah
[08:44] <mvo> mborzecki: when we compare we use the semantic versions compare that follows the debian rules which the kernel honors currently so we should be good
[08:44] <pedronis> mvo: you left some optional comments also in #6322 for pstolowski
[08:45] <mup> PR #6322: overlord/hookstate: apply pending transaction changes onto temporary configuration for snapctl get <Complex> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6322>
[08:47] <pstolowski> pedronis: i noted these comments and will address in a followup, these were cosmetics
[08:48] <zyga> Hey, with dog at vet, I’ll start around 10 today
[08:49] <zyga> Thanks for merging mvo
[08:51] <doko> how is mvo merged?
[08:52] <zyga> Mvo is very dedicated, one could say merged with is duties ;-)
[08:54] <mvo> haha
[09:31] <mvo> pedronis: I addressed the feedback in 6381, the one question is if I should remove "setDeviceFromModelAssertion" again from that PR and move it into a later one
[09:36] <mup> PR snapd#6539 closed: cmd, daemon: split out the common bits of mapLocal and mapRemote <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6539>
[09:47] <mvo> 6492 needs a second review
[09:48] <mvo> Chipaca: I will merge 6356, there are some nitpicks/ideas in my review but feel free to ignore or do in a followup
[09:48] <Chipaca> hmm
[09:48]  * Chipaca looks
[09:48] <Chipaca> mvo: ok :-)
[09:48] <mwhudson> Chipaca: for some reason i think you might like this https://asciinema.org/a/aTbeNl5BnF2jtbWlXZT8ed7eE
[09:48] <mvo> zyga: you mentioned you want to re-review 6549, could you please make it a priority? I would like to finalize 2.38~pre1 this morning
[09:49] <Chipaca> mwhudson: nice!
[09:50] <Chipaca> mwhudson: how much would that break if the snap progress bar took up more lines?
[09:50] <mwhudson> Chipaca: not at all, it's pinging v2/changes/$id
[09:50] <Chipaca> mwhudson: ah, it's doing its own thing? ok
[09:50] <joedborg> jdstrand: I'm unable to pause them due to this issue https://github.com/canonical-websites/build.snapcraft.io/issues/623
[09:51] <Chipaca> mwhudson: using ansimeter?
[09:51] <mwhudson> Chipaca: no, urwid has it's own process bar thingy
[09:51] <zyga> mvo: ack
[09:51] <zyga> mvo: let me look now
[09:51] <zyga> wow, it's windy today
[09:51] <mwhudson> Chipaca: you can tell it's not ansimeter becuase it's not reporting time remaining :)
[09:51] <Chipaca> ah and it says MiB
[09:51] <Chipaca> ok
[09:51] <mvo> mwhudson: nice indeed
[09:52] <Chipaca> mwhudson: basically, you can have more than 1 thing in Doing
[09:52] <mwhudson> Chipaca: wait.go / ansimeter seems to assume that anything that has total > 1 is downloading something
[09:52] <mup> PR snapd#6356 closed: overlord/snapstate: during refresh, re-refresh on epoch bump <Created by chipaca> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6356>
[09:52] <Chipaca> mwhudson: and currently we just report the first one
[09:52] <Chipaca> which is 'fun'
[09:52] <mwhudson> Chipaca: ah!
[09:52] <mvo> did I mention that 6492 needs a second review ? *please* ?
[09:52] <mwhudson> i guess it wouldn't be so hard to cope with that in my code
[09:52] <mwhudson> Chipaca: is this something that happens in practice?
[09:53] <Chipaca> mwhudson: that's why if you install something that needs to download a content snap, it'll stay in 'connecting' for ages
[09:53] <mwhudson> ah ha
[09:53] <Chipaca> mvo: i'll do it
[09:53] <mwhudson> so if i was refreshing to a version of subiquity that depended on core18, for example...
[09:53] <mvo> Chipaca: thank you!
[09:54] <zyga> mvo: I can look as well after apparmor review
[09:54] <mvo> zyga: appreicated, but if john looks that is enough, its relatively small and already has a review :) thanks still!
[09:54] <zyga> ok
[09:57] <Chipaca> mvo: in 6492 you say you "added the check for .Active", but I don't see it
[09:57] <Chipaca> mvo: ah, i see the last commit now, ok
[09:58] <Chipaca> mvo: we don't block disabling snapd though
[09:59] <Chipaca> mvo: so you could have snapd installed and disabled
[09:59] <Chipaca> mvo: (add TypeSnapd to snapstate's canDisable)
[10:00] <Chipaca> mvo: why am i not writing this on github
[10:05] <mup> PR snapd#6562 opened: timings: base API for recording timings in state <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6562>
[10:05] <pedronis> Chipaca: lots of things break, we don't check for Active core either
[10:05] <Chipaca> pedronis: core _is_ in the list that can't be disabled
[10:05] <pedronis> Chipaca: is it?
[10:05] <Chipaca> []snap.Type{snap.TypeGadget, snap.TypeKernel, snap.TypeOS}
[10:06] <pedronis> it wasn't for a long time
[10:06] <Chipaca> core is TypeOS
[10:06] <Chipaca> we don't check TypeBase
[10:06] <pedronis> anyway sounds a different problem
[10:06] <pedronis> we do need to switch to a type
[10:06] <pedronis> for snapd
[10:06] <Chipaca> pedronis: ?
[10:06] <Chipaca> snapd is TypeSnapd already
[10:07] <pedronis> Chipaca: it isn't
[10:07] <pedronis> Chipaca: look at snapcraft.yaml
[10:07] <Chipaca> dang
[10:07] <Chipaca> we _have_ TypeSnapd
[10:07] <pedronis> or do snap info snapd
[10:07] <pedronis> Chipaca: we do
[10:08] <pedronis> but the store and snapcraft weren't on the plan
[10:08] <Chipaca> are we dum
[10:08] <Chipaca> :-(
[10:08] <Chipaca> we r dum
[10:08] <pedronis> sounds we need to push
[10:10] <pedronis> Chipaca: I created a card for mvo
[10:13] <Chipaca> oh no! i have only one PR up!
[10:13]  * Chipaca strives to fix this
[10:13] <pedronis> Chipaca: you can write docs instead
[10:13] <Chipaca> pedronis: :-)
[10:14] <Chipaca> pedronis: I also have a followup to the snapinfo pr that just landed, that i'm running spread on locally now that it's rebased
[10:16] <mup> PR snapd#6492 closed: snapstate: restart into the snapd snap on classic <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6492>
[10:30] <mborzecki> wonder whether we should really fail to initialize seccomp backend when snap-seccomp version-info does nto match the patter or is otherwise invalid
[10:31] <pedronis> mborzecki: we control both sides, no?
[10:31] <mborzecki> pedronis: yes, so it's unlinkely to happen
[10:32] <mborzecki> pedronis: however unlikely, should this fail, backend will not initialize and snapd won't start
[10:33] <pedronis> mborzecki: we have many (slightly unlikely) things that will make snapd not start
[10:33] <mborzecki> ok, so maybe not a problem after all
[10:33] <mborzecki> especially since both ends are in sync
[10:34] <pedronis> I mean, if we didn't control the other side, I would agree
[10:34] <pedronis> that being robust is more important
[10:34] <pedronis> but if we do, something is off anyway
[10:34] <mborzecki> agreed
[10:48] <mup> PR snapd#6563 opened: ctlcmd/tests: tests tweaks (followup to #6322) <Simple 😃> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6563>
[10:50] <pstolowski> mvo: ^ trivial per your comment to 6322
[10:55] <mvo> pstolowski: thanks, I have a look in a wee bit
[11:10] <zyga> jdstrand: reviewed https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6549#pullrequestreview-210608273
[11:10] <mup> PR #6549: apparmor: support AppArmor 2.13 <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6549>
[11:14] <mvo> zyga: I answered some questions, please let me know if its sufficient for merge or if you would prefer more info (it seems the open issues can be done in a followup maybe?)
[11:14] <zyga> looking
[11:15] <zyga> mvo: replied
[11:15] <zyga> mvo: can we add the snapd part and then merge it?
[11:16] <zyga> mvo: unless you think my questions about profileIsRemovableOnCoreSetup warrant more time
[11:17] <mvo> zyga: good question, I'm not super happy with the function but I played around and all my attempts to change it just made it different but not "better"
[11:17] <zyga> mvo: I'd split it to spearate checks per line
[11:17] <zyga> with comment that explains what is being matched
[11:18] <zyga> unlike one very long line
[11:18] <mvo> zyga: if you have an idea, could you please do it and add a comment what it would look like?
[11:18] <zyga> sure
[11:18] <zyga> doing that now
[11:20] <mvo> ta
[11:28] <zyga> mvo: I tried and none of my ideas were any better
[11:28] <zyga> mvo: I'll defer to you in case you want to land and release
[11:34] <mvo> zyga: thank you, I had the same experience, might be worthwhile to add a note in the PR (or a FIXME in the code) that it would be nice to find something nicer looking
[11:35] <mvo> zyga: but otherwise I think we are good to merge and can polish in a followup :) (sorry, a bit in OCD mode to get a first 2.38~pre1 out)
[11:35] <zyga> mvo: there's always .1
[11:35] <zyga> ;-)
[11:35] <zyga> (right?)
[11:37] <mvo> zyga: *cough*
[11:37] <mvo> zyga: in this case a ~pre2 ,)
[11:38] <zyga> I, for one, embrace the trigger happy merge because we need to get faster, not slower
[11:42] <mborzecki> damn spread snap-seccomp spread test, it's passing on arch nowm but failing on ubuntu still for some reason
[11:43] <zyga> mborzecki: hmm?
[11:43] <mborzecki> and debian sid doesn't build because we're patching the source code
[11:43] <mborzecki> zyga: tests/regression/lp-1805838 is failing with the seccomp branch, even with the fixes i added
[11:44] <zyga> oh
[11:44] <zyga> that's serious
[11:53] <pedronis> yes, we do need to patch the patches
[11:53] <pedronis> at least now they are in the same tree
[11:54] <mvo> mborzecki: what PR is that?
[11:54] <mborzecki> mvo: #6485
[11:54] <mup> PR #6485: interfaces/seccomp: regenerate changed profiles only <⛔ Blocked> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6485>
[11:55] <mborzecki> mvo: no worries, i'll update those, but it took a while to figure out what's happening there
[11:55] <mvo> mborzecki: thank you!
[11:55] <mup> PR snapd#6549 closed: apparmor: support AppArmor 2.13 <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6549>
[11:56] <mborzecki> btw. fedora packaging does sed to place that libseccomp-go import, we should probably use the same patch as for debian there instead
[11:58] <pedronis> mvo: do we need to keep the configure hook in core in sync with the code in snapd?  (it's mostly not used on classic), and if you get a new core you get also a new snapd
[11:58] <pedronis> mvo: Q is about this:  https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/102
[11:58] <mup> PR core#102: hooks: add force_turbo to PI_CONFIG_KEYS <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/102>
[12:00] <mvo> pedronis: I think we don't, we do it all internally now, don't we?
[12:00] <pedronis> mvo: yes, that's why the question, I wonder if we can drop it now completely? or make it empty?
[12:01] <pedronis> mvo: we needed for a while for reverts, during the transition
[12:02] <mvo> pedronis: yeah, I think making it empty is the right move
[12:02] <mvo> pedronis: lets add a card, should be trivial
[12:02] <pstolowski> dammit, power outage here
[12:12] <pedronis> mvo: https://trello.com/c/IakOtfSS/183-replace-hooks-configure-in-core-with-an-empty-one
[12:12] <zyga> brb
[12:13] <mvo> pedronis: ta
[12:14] <mvo> pedronis: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/release/2.38/packaging/ubuntu-16.04/changelog has the 2.38~pre1 changelog
[12:15] <pedronis> mvo: thx, will look at in a little bit
[12:15] <mvo> pedronis: no rush, its a ~pre1
[12:29] <mup> PR snapd#6564 opened: cmd/snap, tests: refactor info to unify handling of 'direct' snaps <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6564>
[12:32] <pedronis> mvo: I looked at the new things since the last list, I was aware of most of them, I also double checked a couple of snap-confine stuff
[12:33] <mborzecki> pstolowski: any storms cooming your way today?
[12:34] <pstolowski> mborzecki: nope
[12:34] <mborzecki> mvo: zyga: i've updated the seccomp patch, please take a look if that's fine by you or should i add a new one on top of the current series
[12:34] <zyga> mborzecki: sure, give me a sec to look
[12:34] <mborzecki> pstolowski: well, the season has already started :P
[12:46] <pstolowski> mborzecki: in that case it's a maintenance in the nearby area
[12:58] <zyga> mborzecki: hmmm
[12:59] <zyga> mborzecki: snap-seccomp version must go into system key, otherwise snapd update with new snap-seccomp won't trigger a regeneration
[13:00] <mborzecki> zyga: build id will change
[13:00] <mborzecki> oh, w8
[13:00] <mborzecki> hm
[13:00] <zyga> oh, perhaps that is sufficient?
[13:01] <mborzecki> nvm, need to look at it again
[13:01] <pedronis> mborzecki: I mentioned something related in the PR
[13:03] <mborzecki> off to pick up the kids
[13:08] <zyga> mborzecki: review sent
[13:29] <mup> PR snapd#6324 closed: Fixing socket permissions on 4.15 kernels  <Created by kubiko> <Merged by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6324>
[13:37] <jdstrand> zyga: I think I answered your questions in PR 6549
[13:37] <mup> PR #6549: apparmor: support AppArmor 2.13 <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6549>
[13:40] <jdstrand> mvo, zyga: fwiw, I rewrote that function a bunch of times too. see my comment on why I landed on what I did
[13:45] <jdstrand> joedborg: ok, can you at least make a fix to it and say that it 'architectures: [ all ]' (it doesn't ship any binaries). that will make it easier to deal with reviews, but you should also request classic confinement in the forum since nothing passes review atm
[13:46] <joedborg> okay jdstrand
[13:46] <pedronis> jdstrand: I asked a question there
[13:55] <zyga> jdstrand: thank you, looking
[13:56] <jdstrand> pedronis: answered
[13:57] <zyga> jdstrand: thank you for the answers
[13:57] <zyga> jdstrand: note that some of my questions and the rfc branch was trigged by my unfamiliarity with 2.13
[13:57] <jdstrand> I rewrote this a bunch of ways and like mvo couldn't come up with something better (in my mind). I picked one; classic bikeshed
[13:57] <jdstrand> happy to do a followup PR if there is something clearly better
[13:58] <zyga> jdstrand: tumbleweed is using 2.13 now so I'm learing about it
[13:58] <jdstrand> zyga: it really isn't that different
[13:58] <zyga> .features file is fun
[13:58] <zyga> lisp but with braces instead of parentheses ;)
[13:59] <jdstrand> zyga: the only thing that 2.13 is different about is it creates a hash of the features and kernel abi as a subdir of the cache dir and puts everything in there
[13:59] <zyga> jdstrand: oh, interesting, so 2.13 already has cache populated with snapd stuff
[13:59] <jdstrand> zyga: the unified directory is not dictated by 2.13. that is just something Debian did, but anyone could have
[14:00] <zyga> jdstrand: unified directory?
[14:00] <zyga> do you mean /var/cache/apparmor?
[14:00] <jdstrand> zyga: if tumbleweed has 2.13 and is generating snap policy, I think you'll find that you cannot remove snaps on tumbleweed right now
[14:00] <zyga> jdstrand: on TW /var/cache/apparmor/$cache.0/ has stuff like snap-confine.core.1234
[14:00] <zyga> oh!
[14:00] <zyga> jdstrand: fun
[14:00]  * zyga tries
[14:00] <jdstrand> zyga: yes, /var/cache/apparmor
[14:02] <jdstrand> zyga: the cache location is still chosen by the distro. in Debian and soon to be ubuntu 19.04, it is /var/cache/apparmor. it might be that elsewhere.
[14:02] <zyga> cannot remove vlc on TW https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/7HWJOWvZ/
[14:02] <zyga> standup time
[14:02] <zyga> but I will dig in a moment
[14:02] <jdstrand> zyga: the choosing of the cache location is separate from the forest behavior is all I'm saying. the fact the Debian combined /etc/apparmor.d/cache and /var/cache/apparmor into on unified dir is separate from 2.13
[14:03] <zyga> Chipaca: ^ is this expected?
[14:03] <zyga> jdstrand: ah, I see now
[14:03] <zyga> jdstrand: thank you for this
[14:03] <jdstrand> np
[14:03] <zyga> jdstrand: I am iterating on responses and patches based on your feedback, thank you for that as well
[14:03] <Chipaca> zyga: no, that's not expected
[14:04] <jdstrand> zyga: I maintain that it is an isolated changed in just Unload that breaking out a bunch of code and added machinery is probably not worth it
[14:04] <jdstrand> zyga: but I'll let others decide that
[14:04] <jdstrand> adding*
[14:05] <Chipaca> zyga: what does ‘find /var/snap/vlc -ls’ print out
[14:06] <jdstrand> zyga: note that the vls removal is a different error than what I saw with 2.13 apparmor on Ubuntu. It seems you are hitting a different error earlier than when snapd tries to remove the cache files but can't
[14:06] <jdstrand> vlc*
[14:06] <zyga> zyga@yantra:~> sudo find /var/snap/vlc -ls
[14:06] <zyga>   2234362      4 drwxr-xr-x   3  root     root         4096 mar  5 15:01 /var/snap/vlc
[14:06] <zyga>   2367702      4 drwxr-xr-x   2  root     root         4096 lis  6 22:06 /var/snap/vlc/555
[14:07] <zyga> ack
[14:07] <Chipaca> zyga: so the question is why did os.RemoveAll fail to remove that
[14:08] <zyga> Chipaca: note that this is reproducible!
[14:08] <zyga> undo works
[14:08] <zyga> so ... good?
[14:08] <zyga> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/qdZMzJ6Q/
[14:08] <Chipaca> zyga: undo of remove does not work
[14:08] <zyga> it's interesting that we snap disconnect
[14:08] <zyga> why do we do that? CC pstolowski
[14:09] <pstolowski> zyga: because of hooks that may run on the other end of connection
[14:09] <zyga> aha
[14:10] <pstolowski> (interface hooks)
[14:10] <zyga> we should be able to optimize away the ones that don't have any
[14:10] <pstolowski> zyga: +1
[14:10] <Chipaca> zyga: so the question is why do you have revision 555 there
[14:10] <zyga> dunno
[14:10] <Chipaca> (also maybe we should be more resilient about this)
[14:10] <zyga> why cannot snapd remove it?
[14:10] <Chipaca> zyga: because it doesn't try to
[14:11] <Chipaca> it doesn't expect that to be there
[14:11] <zyga> aaah
[14:11] <pstolowski> zyga: actually we probably don't create hook tasks if not needed already
[14:11] <zyga> I see
[14:11] <Chipaca> zyga: it removes all the revisions, and then the parent
[14:11] <zyga> pstolowski: I'm pretty sure disconnecting stuff from vlc is not needed when you remove the snap
[14:11] <zyga> and all the connections go to core
[14:11] <Chipaca> zyga: vlc has mpris which doesn't go to core, fwiw
[14:12] <zyga> Chipaca: yes but mpris is not connected
[14:15] <zyga> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/tJtbkHRy/
[14:15] <zyga> Chipaca: it's from october
[14:15] <zyga> but this is my dev machine so anything is possible
[14:15] <Chipaca> zyga: snap list --all ?
[14:16] <zyga> tried it, not there
[14:22] <Chipaca> I can't find an obvious way of repro'ing it
[14:22] <Chipaca> maybe there's a cleanup missing
[14:22] <Chipaca> ?
[14:22] <zyga> no worries, we know it may happen
[14:22] <zyga> shall I report it for tracking:
[14:22] <Chipaca> that is, a refresh or install that fails and doesn't un-mkdir?
[14:22] <zyga> ?
[14:28] <Chipaca> hah!
[14:28] <Chipaca> zyga: yes indeed we do!
[14:28] <Chipaca> zyga: o/s/b/link.go, updateCurrentSymlinks
[14:28] <Chipaca> zyga: happily does a MkdirAll(snap.DataDir())
[14:28] <Chipaca> zyga: and then more stuff
[14:28] <Chipaca> zyga: and that more stuff can fail
[14:29] <Chipaca> zyga: and there is no clean up of the mkdir on fail
[14:29] <zyga> good
[14:29] <zyga> I'm happy we're happy now :)
[14:29]  * Chipaca looks around
[14:29] <Chipaca> we are?
[14:29] <zyga> shallow eyeballs all that stuff
[14:39] <mup> PR snapd#6565 opened: snap: remove obsolete license-* fields in the yaml <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6565>
[14:40] <Chipaca> zyga: i'll push a pr in a bit
[14:40] <Chipaca> first i need to go move my car
[14:40] <Chipaca> oh! mvo: tomorrow I need to go to do an anual paperwork thing for kid #2 (kid #1's is in a couple of weeks), probably won't make it to the standup even
[14:41] <Chipaca> i'll file for a half-day later
[14:42] <pedronis> jdstrand: hi, could you adjust the summaries in #5644 , then it could be landed as per agreement
[14:42] <mup> PR #5644: interfaces: add audio-playback/audio-record and make pulseaudio manually connect <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5644>
[14:42] <pedronis> assuming the tests follow-up
[14:43] <jdstrand> pedronis: so, I was wanting to ask you about that. I did make some changes before your last comment ot make changes
[14:43] <jdstrand> pedronis: what is it you are looking for exactly?
[14:43] <jdstrand> (and yes, when tests can be written, I'll write them)
[14:44] <pedronis> jdstrand: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5644/files#r212674777
[14:44] <mup> PR #5644: interfaces: add audio-playback/audio-record and make pulseaudio manually connect <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5644>
[14:45] <jdstrand> pedronis: oh, that change. ack. I thought this was something else
[14:45] <mvo> Chipaca: thanks
[14:45] <mvo> Chipaca: no worries
[14:46] <pedronis> jdstrand: to be fair, I see we use your spelling quite a bit
[14:47] <pedronis> well, not quite a bit
[14:47] <pedronis> but in a few cases
[14:49] <pedronis> degville: interestingly there are a few things that are document for snapcraft.yaml but not snap.yaml :)
[14:49] <pedronis> degville: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snapcraft-app-and-service-metadata/8335
[14:50] <degville> pedronis: yeah, I've been pinged about updates to snapcraft.yaml  but didn't think to push them back to the snap.yaml doc.
[14:50] <zyga> Lunch
[14:50] <zyga> Chipaca: thank you! :-)
[14:51] <pedronis> jdstrand: pulseaudio is interesting because the summary in the code talks about operating as the service, but the doc doesn't https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/the-pulseaudio-interface/7906
[14:52] <pedronis> jdstrand: while I would, sort of, expect the reverse
[14:54] <pedronis> jdstrand: I mean the simple summary to explain the plug/consumer POV, the "extended" docs to explain that the slot can be implemented by apps
[14:55] <mborzecki> zyga: pedronis: under the assumption that snapd and snap-seccomp are in sync, i think we don't need to include snap-seccomp version in version-info, just the library version and the hash are enough
[14:55] <zyga> mborzecki: what about system-key?
[14:55] <zyga> mborzecki: I agree with your statement
[14:55] <zyga> mborzecki: but system-key correctness is essential for correctness
[14:55] <mborzecki> zyga: we still need that, i.e. put version-info in system-key
[14:56] <pedronis> ?
[14:56] <mborzecki> zyga: what i mean we don't necessarily need to include the compiler version in the output
[14:56] <pedronis> I'm missing something
[14:56] <mborzecki> (snap-seccomp being the compiler)
[14:56] <zyga> pedronis: I think mborzecki is working with the assumption that we have snapd build-id in system-key
[14:56] <zyga> though
[14:57] <zyga> to be fair
[14:57] <zyga> I think it's not correct
[14:57] <mborzecki> which we have
[14:57] <zyga> once we get reproducible builds
[14:57] <zyga> snapd can remain unchanged
[14:57] <zyga> while snap-seccomp can change
[14:57] <pedronis> yes
[14:57] <zyga> so in that sense it's not fully sufficient
[14:57] <pedronis> that's the part that is delicate
[14:57] <pedronis> I sort of think we are trying to avoid adding a number
[14:57] <pedronis> at the expense of subtle bugs
[14:58] <mborzecki> hm maybe we should then use the build-id of snap-seccomp too
[14:58] <zyga> pedronis: I agree
[14:58] <zyga> pedronis: let's do it cleanly
[14:58] <zyga> mborzecki: that would be okay
[14:58] <mborzecki> so version-info would be: <build-id> <library-version> <hash>
[14:58] <zyga> and I prefer the build-id over a version
[14:58] <zyga> versions are easy to misuse
[14:59] <pedronis> that's fine, in the end this an optimisation over always regen
[14:59] <mborzecki> yup
[14:59] <mborzecki> ok, build-id it is
[15:00] <zyga> pstolowski: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6563
[15:00] <mup> PR #6563: ctlcmd/tests: tests tweaks (followup to #6322) <Simple 😃> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6563>
[15:02] <pstolowski> zyga: k, merging, thx
[15:02] <mup> PR snapd#6563 closed: ctlcmd/tests: tests tweaks (followup to #6322) <Simple 😃> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6563>
[15:05] <jdstrand> pedronis: ok, https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5644 updated. note, it is for master/2.38 and *not* for 2.38 (I need time to do the other supporting work in electron, snapcraft, etc, etc)
[15:05] <jdstrand> meh
[15:05] <mup> PR #5644: interfaces: add audio-playback/audio-record and make pulseaudio manually connect <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5644>
[15:05] <jdstrand> master/2.39*
[15:05] <jdstrand> this is 2.39 material, not 2.38 (so many typos this morning :)
[15:06] <jdstrand> but not in the PR! ;)
[15:08] <zyga> jdstrand: I nuked stdio from https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6498
[15:08] <mup> PR #6498: cmd/libsnap: add cgroup-pids-support module <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6498>
[15:08] <jdstrand> ack, thanks
[15:16] <mvo> sil2100: https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/103 is probably something for you :)
[15:16] <mup> PR core#103: hooks: apt warning should return an error <Created by townsend2010> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/103>
[15:17] <sil2100> mvo: hey! Oh, it's for core?
[15:17] <mvo> sil2100: yeah
[15:17] <mvo> sil2100: oh, sorry
[15:17] <sil2100> But yeah, it makes sense :)
[15:17] <sil2100> +1
[15:17] <mvo> sil2100: yeah, its for core, I guess that means still our turf
[15:18] <mvo> sil2100: sorry, ENEEDMORETEA :)
[15:18] <mup> PR core#103 closed: hooks: apt warning should return an error <Created by townsend2010> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/103>
[15:19] <sil2100> mvo: hm, do we actually have a warning wrapper like this in core18? Would have to check
[15:19]  * sil2100 is too deep in point releases in the last weeks
[15:21] <mvo> sil2100: oh, indeed - are they all done now? or one more to go?
[15:21] <ChrisTownsend> mvo: Hey, thanks for merging that.  It will help us on Multipass and our support for core.
[15:21] <ChrisTownsend> I didn't see an analogous script in the core18 code though.
[15:22] <sil2100> One in progress, hopefully the last one ;)
[15:27] <mvo> ChrisTownsend: thank you! we may need to add one for core18 too, I will sync with sil2100  on that (but no worries, will also exit 1)
[15:27] <ChrisTownsend> mvo: Sure, glad to contribute:)
[15:30] <mup> PR snapd#6566 opened: interface: avahi-observe: Fixing socket permissions on 4.15 kernels w… <Simple 😃> <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6566>
[15:36] <jdstrand> mvo: hey, just as a heads up, I don't have any policy updates for 2.38 other than getting ^ in for ondra
[15:38] <ondra> jdstrand thank you :)
[15:39] <jdstrand> ondra: you're welcome. I owed it to you for the delay in the PR review ;)
[15:40] <ondra> jdstrand no worries, it only came back when ogra started to use 4.15 kernel on some of his new boards
[15:40] <jdstrand> cool
[15:40] <jdstrand> glad it hasn't been a persistent pain point
[15:40] <ogra> yeah, i have a bunch of new rockchip boards (and images)
[15:40] <ogra> using ubuntu-bionic.git (and -disco) for the kernels
[15:41] <jdstrand> neat
[15:48] <Chipaca> mvo: you around?
[15:50] <Chipaca> zyga: v
[15:51] <zyga> v?
[15:51] <zyga> ah
[15:51] <zyga> incoming :)
[15:51]  * Chipaca waits for mup
[15:51] <mup> PR snapd#6567 opened: overlord/snapstate/backend: make LinkSnap clean up more <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6567>
[15:51] <Chipaca> zyga: ^
[15:51] <zyga> heh :)
[15:52] <Chipaca> zyga: there's still a bug there, as pointed out in the pr
[15:52] <pedronis> ondra: hi, btw you still a couple of PRs open where jdstrand left feedback asking changes
[15:52] <Chipaca> and it might be something that's impacting people
[15:52] <Chipaca> because, it aligns with some funny "why is it thinking it needs to boot this" errors
[15:52] <ondra> pedronis yep, on my list. I was on hols and then tradeshow and only back in the office this week
[15:52] <pedronis> ondra: ok
[16:00] <zyga> break, time to take the dog out again
[16:01] <mvo> Chipaca: in meetings
[16:01]  * Chipaca hugs mvo
[16:01] <mvo> Chipaca: how can I help you?
[16:01] <Chipaca> mvo: wondering if there's an easy way to 'undo' boot.SetNextBoot(info)
[16:02] <Chipaca> mvo: in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6567/files#diff-1fdad998bbd61f4345491c0b17b6585eR115
[16:02] <mup> PR #6567: overlord/snapstate/backend: make LinkSnap clean up more <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6567>
[16:03] <mvo> Chipaca: I think so, just unsetting snap_try_core should be enough
[16:03] <mvo> Chipaca: still in  a meeting so a bit terse
[16:03] <Chipaca> mvo: no worries :-)
[16:14] <mup> PR snapd#6568 opened: overlord/snapstate: fix restoring of "old-current" revision config in undoLinkSnap <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6568>
[16:24] <kenvandine> mborzecki: hey, i'm playing around with parallel installs and ran into an issue.  mvo said i should raise it here with you
[16:24] <kenvandine> i installed gedit from edge as gedit_master
[16:24] <kenvandine> the gtk-common-themes content interfaces all connected fine
[16:25] <kenvandine> but the gnome-3-28-1804 content interface didn't
[16:25] <kenvandine> i manually connected it and it seems to have failed
[16:32] <Chipaca> kenvandine: what's 'snap tasks' of the failed change? (maybe --last=connect)
[16:32] <kenvandine> Done    today at 11:21 EST  today at 11:21 EST  Connect gedit_master:gnome-3-28-1804 to gnome-3-28-1804:gnome-3-28-1804
[16:32] <kenvandine> that was my manual connect
[16:33] <kenvandine> but the content is not mounted in the snap
[16:33] <Chipaca> ah (?)
[16:48] <kenvandine> i installed another parallel snap and that connected everything just fine
[16:53] <mborzecki> kenvandine: let me try that locally
[16:54] <kenvandine> i'm guessing if i remove gedit_master and install again it might work
[16:54] <kenvandine> since other snaps are working
[16:54] <kenvandine> but i'll leave it broken in case i can collect any useful info for you
[16:54] <mborzecki> kenvandine: it ought to be deterministic :P
[16:55] <kenvandine> *ought* to be
[16:56] <mborzecki> kenvandine: can you upload `snap change` of that install to pastebin?
[16:57] <kenvandine> mborzecki: you mean the line from snap changes?
[16:58] <mborzecki> kenvandine: the output of `snap change <that-change-id>`
[16:58] <kenvandine> oh
[16:58] <kenvandine> never done that before :)
[16:58] <mborzecki> installed here just fine
[16:58] <kenvandine> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sGxcwknFRp/
[16:58] <kenvandine> yeah, i've since installed several other gnome snaps fine
[16:59] <kenvandine> looking at the change, it doesn't even list gnome-3-28-1804
[17:02] <mborzecki> kenvandine: ok, can you run `snap changes` locate the manual connect that failed and paste snap changes <that-id> ?
[17:03] <Chipaca> mborzecki: snap tasks <that id>
[17:03] <Chipaca> or snap change <that id>
[17:03] <kenvandine> mborzecki: Done    today at 11:20 EST  today at 11:20 EST  Connect gedit_master:gnome-3-28-1804 to gnome-3-28-1804:gnome-3-28-1804
[17:03] <kenvandine> it didn't think it failed
[17:03] <Chipaca> kenvandine: anything interesting in jouranlctl -u snapd ?
[17:03] <Chipaca> or some other command that rhymes with that
[17:04] <kenvandine> Mar 05 11:20:03 x230 snapd[1778]: api.go:1077: Installing snap "gedit_master" revision unset
[17:04] <kenvandine> only thing around the same time
[17:05] <kenvandine> the interface is currently connected, but the mount point is empty
[17:05] <mborzecki> ah ok, so the content interface is conencted but the data is nto visible?
[17:05] <kenvandine> right
[17:05] <kenvandine> mborzecki: although it didn't connect at install
[17:06] <kenvandine> like it should have
[17:06] <kenvandine> i manually connected it
[17:11] <mborzecki> kenvandine: ok, maybe try this, sudo nsenter -m/run/snapd/ns/gedit_master.mnt /bin/findmnt and paste the output
[17:15] <kenvandine> mborzecki: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xHmnP6mSgT/
[17:27] <mborzecki> kenvandine: nothing stands out, can you also paste the contents of /var/lib/snapd/mount/snap.gedit_master.fstab ?
[17:29] <kenvandine> mborzecki: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5m5JpD2pgw/
[17:29] <mborzecki> kenvandine: the content mount points of gtk-common-themes and gnome-* seem to be populated here just fine, i mean mounted and there's data inside
[17:30] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:30] <kenvandine> same here for all the other snaps
[17:30] <kenvandine> that i installed since
[17:30] <kenvandine> so i suspect if i remove and reinstall it will be fine
[17:31] <kenvandine> this was the first snap i installed after enabling parallel installs on core
[17:35] <mborzecki> kenvandine: ok, let's see if we can reproduce it at least, can you stop gedit, run sudo /usr/lib/snapd/snap-discard-ns gedit_master and then run `SNAPD_DEBUG=1 SNAP_CONFINE_DEBUG=1 snap run gedit_master` and paste the output
[17:38] <kenvandine> mborzecki: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/XCKtXgRSYx/
[17:38] <kenvandine> mborzecki: it actually ran fine
[17:44] <mborzecki> kenvandine: idk, things seem to look fine in the outputs, probably be good if zyga could take a look too
[17:44] <kenvandine> now it all works fine
[17:44] <kenvandine> so something there cleared it up
[17:44] <kenvandine> i guess the snap-discard-ns ?
[17:45] <mborzecki> kenvandine: yes, that tool removes the mount namespace and it will be recreated on the next snap run
[17:55] <zyga> kenvandine: yes, you can use it to get a clean slate
[17:56] <zyga> pedronis: hey, do you want to have a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6498 before  it lands?
[17:56] <mup> PR #6498: cmd/libsnap: add cgroup-pids-support module <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6498>
[17:56] <pedronis> zyga: I think it was alright,  do we have something using it yet? or is that coming?
[17:57] <zyga> pedronis: that's upcoming in another branch
[17:57] <zyga> pedronis: just separated for different review people usually
[17:57] <zyga> pedronis: (and shorter)
[17:57] <zyga> pedronis: though it's already used
[17:57] <zyga> pedronis: because of freezer code now beign based on this
[17:57] <pedronis> yes, that I understand
[17:58] <pedronis> ok
[17:58] <zyga> one question, I forgot to add copyright headers
[17:58] <zyga> s/question/change/
[18:06] <zyga> ok, pushed
[18:31]  * zyga EODs


[00:10] <n2diy> what plugin do I need to watch youtube in chromium?
[00:12] <elsuco> n2diy, "sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin" should do the job...
[00:12] <holstein> n2diy: flash... you can try chrome which comes with its own flash
[00:19] <n2diy> ok thanks, now youtube is working, but videos in facebook won't play.
[00:19] <holstein> might need to reload the browser
[00:20] <holstein> if its not flash, flash wont help you play them
[00:45] <viper117x123> Would anyone be able to help me install xubuntu from a USB?
[00:46] <holstein> i would try downloading the LIVE iso viper117x123 , and use unetbootin to create a bootable USB stick
[00:46] <viper117x123> I've already created the bootable USB stick, however it doesn't seem to be booting correctly
[00:47] <holstein> viper117x123: i would confirm the iso either from the installer menu, or..
[00:47] <holstein> !md5 | viper117x123
[00:47] <holstein> then, i would format the stick and make it again fresh
[00:47] <holstein> i would try the stick in another machine... i would try another stick with the same machine
[00:48] <viper117x123> I've downloaded the ISO and created the bootable from multiple PCs
[00:48] <viper117x123> And multiple ISO files
[00:49] <viper117x123> Have also formated the USB and tried again
[00:49] <holstein> viper117x123: cool... you can just confirm it once, then you'llknow
[00:50] <holstein> viper117x123: if you are sure all is well, then, i would try hitting shift when you see the first thing popup on the screen
[00:50] <holstein> i would then go to the F6 menu, and try 'nomodeset'
[00:50] <holstein> you can try other options there as well... or elaborate on how the stick is failing
[00:50] <viper117x123> When I try and boot in the screen will go black
[00:50] <Barnabas> hold it
[00:51] <viper117x123> I use to get what looked like an accessibility icon and keyboard
[00:51] <Barnabas> i have heard ppl complain about non matching md5's in ubuntu main channel this night also
[00:51] <holstein> i would wnat to see it live, i would choose "dont install" i would try it live... and i would try nomodeset first
[00:51] <viper117x123> I can't get to a point to try it as a live usb
[00:52] <holstein> viper117x123: where can you get?
[00:52] <holstein> can you hit shift and get to the menu with F6 at the bottom?
[00:52] <viper117x123> No
[00:52] <viper117x123> I don't think so
[00:52] <holstein> viper117x123: try hitting shift, then you'll know
[00:53] <viper117x123> ... I 'll try, but I've had to do some "fixes" to solve a "xubuntu 12.04 unknow keyword in configuration file" error
[00:53] <viper117x123> Will format the USB and remount the ISO to it
[00:53] <holstein> so, you got it to instal?
[00:53] <viper117x123> No
[00:54] <holstein> im not following then.. not sure what an unknown keyword error is, but i was thinking that would be after install
[00:54] <holstein> anyways, sometimes there are unsupported graphics cards that need nomodeset ...this is like safe graphics mode AFAIK
[00:55] <viper117x123> That sounds promising
[00:55] <holstein> this has working for me viper117x123 on several machine that just go to a black screen, which is what i thought you were having
[00:56] <viper117x123> I am going to try what you've suggested holding shift while I boot?
[00:56] <viper117x123> Then Press F6
[00:57] <viper117x123> And select nomodeset?
[00:57] <holstein> viper117x123: i would just hit shift.. when you first see something thats not bios related
[00:57] <viper117x123> Okay
[00:57] <viper117x123> Thanks a lot for the help
[00:57] <viper117x123> I'll try it now!
[00:58] <holstein> just tap it... prollly wont hurt anything or trigger anything with teh bios
[01:00] <Viper117x123_> Hello again
[01:01] <Viper117x123_> So when I select the usb as boot device, the first screen I get is "SYSLINUX 3.63 Debian-2008-07-15 EBIOS Copyright (C) 1994-2008 H. Peter Anvin Unknown keyword in configuration file. boot:
[01:02] <n2diy> I got video working in youtube, but when I try and run a video link in facebook I'm told "the flash plugin needs your permission to run."
[01:02] <holstein> thats when i would confrim the iso i downloaded
[01:02] <holstein> n2diy: i would not run that...
[01:02] <holstein> n2diy: sounds phishy to me ;)
[01:02] <n2diy> holstein, why not?
[01:03] <Viper117x123_> Right
[01:03] <holstein> n2diy: the flash plugin has your permission to run, if its installed, and your user is runing the web browser and flash plugin
[01:03] <n2diy> holstein, ok, some other videos say missing plugin, but I installed all the video plugins I could find in the software center?
[01:03] <Viper117x123_> So doing it in windows I ran the winMd5sum software
[01:04] <holstein> n2diy: ? you just need the flash one
[01:04] <holstein> Viper117x123_: i would follow...
[01:04] <Viper117x123_> Getting "MD5 Check Sums are different."
[01:04] <holstein> !md5 | Viper117x123_
[01:04] <holstein> Viper117x123_: i would say , the downloaded iso is not correct
[01:05] <Viper117x123_> Okay
[01:05] <holstein> Viper117x123_: you can always use the main ubuntu one, and convert to xubuntu
[01:05] <holstein> Viper117x123_: or download some minimal iso
[01:05] <Viper117x123_> Yes, that was what I was going to try next
[01:05] <Viper117x123_> Converting
[01:06] <Viper117x123_> I've got the latest iso downloaded, so can give that a go
[01:06] <holstein> that sounds easy
[01:07] <Viper117x123_> I hope so
[01:08] <Viper117x123_> Thanks again for the help
[01:08] <holstein> anytime
[01:09] <Viper117x123_> Is there anything that can be done if you're getting a md5 error?
[01:09] <Viper117x123_> Just redownload the iso?
[01:10] <well_laid_lawn> !md5
[01:10] <well_laid_lawn> might be a clue in that ^ somewhere
[01:10] <holstein> ive never needed to fix them... i know i used to get them with dsl, and i just went and bought cds, but that was years ago
[01:11] <Viper117x123_> I've been reading through them thanks ^_^
[01:12] <Viper117x123_> OKay.. so with the Ubuntu 12.04 I'm getting the same syslinux 3.63 error that I was getting before..
[01:12] <holstein> same internet downloaded them, so i would confirm the sum.. i would try the sticks on any other machine
[01:13] <Viper117x123_> Maybe the boot usb program isn't working properly
[01:13] <holstein> maybe.. trying them on any other machine will confirm that
[01:13] <Viper117x123_> It is running on ubuntu 9.04 cos that was the only disc I had lying around..
[01:14] <holstein> it?
[01:14] <Viper117x123_> The laptop I'm trying to install xubuntu on
[01:14] <holstein> "it" shouldnt matter
[01:19] <n2diy> holstein, I just tried running the local weather radar video, and was told the plugin needs my permission to run, that is a trusted website I've used before.
[01:20] <holstein> n2diy: did you give it permission?
[01:20] <holstein> n2diy: i would try chrome, it has its own verion of flash that is up to date
[01:21] <n2diy> holstein, how, where, which plugin, it doesn't tell me anything else?
[01:22] <holstein> n2diy: it?.. you mean chromium? i dont know what you are looking at
[01:22] <holstein> n2diy: im suggesting trying the chrome browser, as maybe there is something needing a new version of flash
[01:23] <holstein> othewise, take a screenshot if you'd like, and we'll look at what you are seeing
[01:23] <holstein> if you havent logged out since installing the flash plugin, that wouldnt hurt to try
[01:24] <n2diy> holstein, sorry, yes, it is chromium, new install of Xu 12.04
[01:24] <holstein> adobe doesnt support flash in linux anymore... google supports flash in chrome for linux
[01:28] <n2diy> holstein, ok, I reloaded the page, and was prompted to give permission for shockwave to play on that website. When I do, a box reports shockwave has crashed.
[01:28] <holstein> n2diy: AFAIK, you dont have shockwave
[01:29] <holstein> you only installed flash
[01:29] <holstein> i would just load up actual chrome and see
[01:34] <n2diy> holstein, ok, I went back to the software center, and now there is a newer version of adobe flash. I'll give that a try.
[02:23] <MReaper-17> hola
[02:23] <MReaper-17> nesesito ayuda
[02:23] <Unit193> !es
[02:23] <MReaper-17> ay alguien?
[02:26] <MReaper-17> HOoooollaaaaa
[02:26] <MReaper-17> nesesitaria que me ayuden
[03:36] <n2diy> Just installed xubuntu 12.04 on a box that had ubuntu 12.04 on it. Now the grub boot loader is failing to install?
[03:36] <n2diy> I kept the old partitions, but reformatted them.
[03:49] <james123> Hello, I've got a problem when I boot up only being about to use nomodeset, is anyone able to help?
[03:52] <well_laid_lawn> james123: why is using nomodeset a problem?
[03:53] <james123> Is it not one? It seems like the resolution is lower than it was before I installed xubuntu
[03:53] <james123> I assumed that was because I was using nomodeset, before when I booted up the screen was completely blank
[03:54] <well_laid_lawn> nomodeset only affects the console afaik - what does xubuntu say the available resolutions are?
[03:55] <james123> Also every time I turn on the laptop I have to hold shift to load into grub, edit the launch command
[03:55] <well_laid_lawn> it's easy enough to permanantly add it to the kernel line in grub
[03:55] <well_laid_lawn> !grub
[03:56] <well_laid_lawn>  please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[03:56] <james123> In the Display settings, I only have 1 option as my resolution, Refresh rate is 0.0Hz and that can't be changed either
[03:58] <james123> (The resolution that it is set at is 1024x768 which isn't the correct one for the screen)
[03:58] <james123> So something else will be causing this problem then?
[03:59] <bradley_> Hi! I was wondering if anyone knows how to make it so that xubuntu doesn't always start in the lowest possible brightness setting
[04:00] <bradley_> I looked through the xfce power manager and I saw nothing regarding changing the current brightness, nor the default level
[04:02] <bradley_> Any help will be greatly appreciated
[04:06] <well_laid_lawn> james123: it might pay to have a look at the X log for clues /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:08] <james123> Looking now
[04:09] <well_laid_lawn> you can paste it if that'll help
[04:09] <well_laid_lawn> !paste
[04:10] <james123> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1116829/
[04:10] <james123> There you are
[04:11] <james123> The laptop is running off Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 4500M
[04:14] <james123> I don't really know what I'm looking for in all of it
[04:15] <well_laid_lawn> james123: that says you are using the vesa driver
[04:15] <well_laid_lawn> that's why the resolution is low
[04:15] <james123> I tried the "Additional drivers" option which didn't give me any results
[04:17] <well_laid_lawn> what are you using in the grub kernel line?    i915.modeset=1   ?
[04:18] <james123> What do you mean?
[04:19] <james123> The thing which I changed in the grub was changing the words "quiet splash" to "nomodeset"
[04:21] <james123> "[    18.804] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-27-generic root=UUID=df00bb58-1a8b-4a98-bafe-09d4249e5c6d ro nomodeset vt.handoff=7"
[04:22] <well_laid_lawn> see post 19 here - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1840959&page=2
[04:23] <james123> I've read that before, but don't know where this value is found which I need to change
[04:23] <james123> Is this when I boot?
[04:28] <well_laid_lawn> yep or edit the /etc/default/grub file and   sudo update-grub
[04:29] <james123> Thanks! :)
[04:29] <well_laid_lawn> I have   i915.modeset=1   in my kernel line but I use a diff intel card than you
[04:41] <bradley_> Hi need help whenever possible
[04:42] <Unit193> You do have to ask the question first...
[04:42] <Unit193> well_laid_lawn: What card?
[04:43] <bradley_> I can't figure out how to set my default brightness
[04:43] <bradley_> every time I restart it defaults to the lowest possible brightness setting
[08:48] <Os_Maleus> what can You do, if zsh is completing the command/path (on the command line) incorrectly? ... completes the path until the next possibility of choices and puts a slash ("/) in front of the path. by that, it is becoming impossible to go further with it. usually, a restart of the machine is helping. but how could I overcome this without a reboot?
[08:58] <aquix> There are zsh channels here on freenode
[09:01] <bazhang>  /msg alis list *zsh* to search
[09:27] <Os_Maleus> okay. thanks!
[09:29] <someone235> hi, how can I show the full address in the location bar in thunar?
[10:05] <someone235> hi, how can I show the full address in the location bar in thunar?
[10:09] <baizon> someone235: View -> Location Selector -> Toolbar Style
[10:10] <someone235> thank you
[10:10] <baizon> or http://thunar.xfce.org/pwiki/documentation/tips_and_tricks
[10:10] <baizon> oh ok =)
[10:46] <james123> Hey, can anyone help me fix a screen resolution problem on an intel GMA 4500m laptop?
[10:47] <baizon> please explain your problem more specific
[10:47] <james123> This is a fresh install, the original problem was that when I booted I'd just get a black screen
[10:48] <james123> Only way to get in was holding shift and changing the boot command to have nomodeset
[10:48] <baizon> well then add it to your grub.conf
[10:49] <james123> But the resolution is wrong
[10:49] <james123> It isn't using the intel drivers
[10:49] <james123> It's using VESA drivers I think
[10:49] <baizon> ok
[10:50] <james123> I'm not sure how to change it
[10:50] <baizon> james123: http://askubuntu.com/questions/60579/intel-gma-4500m-screen-resolution-problem
[10:50] <james123> I currently have added to the grub acpi_osi= i915.modeset=0
[10:51] <baizon> last answer should solve your problem
[10:52] <james123> I've tried that
[10:52] <james123> So it should read
[10:52] <james123> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi_osi="
[10:52] <james123> ?
[10:53] <baizon> acpi_osi=Linux
[10:54] <baizon> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi_osi=Linux"
[10:54] <james123> Thanks
[10:54] <james123> Trying that now
[10:54] <baizon> did you tried the answer from wluce0?
[10:54] <baizon> with the script
[10:54] <baizon> that should help
[10:55] <baizon> or read this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1840959
[11:00] <robertas> Hello guys!
[11:02] <james123_> Thanks for the help! Problem fixed
[11:03] <james123_> Think I saw somewhere while reading a script was made to automatically change the screen brightness after booting
[11:03] <robertas> I have this HUGE problem after installing Xubuntu 12.04. I had my drive partitioned into 3 partitions. One for Win7, one for Backup, and one for Linux. After I installed Xubuntu in that Linux partition I cannot choose which OS to boot. It just boots Xubuntu automatically. What should I do to fix this problem? Thanks in advance!
[11:07] <james123_> I think this might help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[11:07] <robertas> Thank you! I'll check that out!
[11:09] <baizon> james123_: good to hear :)
[11:42] <Starn> what does this mean? (ubiquity:4329): gtk-critical **: gtk_widget_draw: assertion '!widget->priv->alloc_needed' failed.
[11:52] <DarkSim> I got helped the other day to install xfce desktop, gonna do it on another computer but I can't remembe the command to install the "xfce meta-package"
[11:53] <DarkSim> I think it was something like sudo apt-get install xfce-desktop or something like that instead of xfce4
[11:58] <DarkSim> is it the same as "Xubuntu desktop system" on Ubuntu Software Centre?
[11:59] <Mathsterk> DarkSim: when?
[11:59] <Mathsterk> i can check my log
[11:59] <DarkSim> Must've been this friday
[11:59] <DarkSim> about 7 p.m. perhaps?
[12:03] <DarkSim> oh wait, timezones lol
[12:04] <Mathsterk> [14:50:22] < holstein> i would try sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop , and try running the xubuntu session  instead of the XFCE one
[12:04] <Mathsterk> that one?
[12:05] <DarkSim> Yeah, thanks Mathsterk
[12:05] <Mathsterk> np :P
[12:07] <robertas> Xubuntu 12.04 LTS is freezing upon shut down: Hello everybody: Well, I think that the subject says what it is all about. The "white line" below the Xubuntu logo stops at about two quarters and the screen freezes. How do I solve this? I have tried to reinstall the system but I can not seem to do it by restarting with my DVD inserted. It only mounts the DVD on the desktop. I am a novice when it comes to Xubuntu (or any GNU/Linux OS for that
[12:07] <robertas>  matter). Please give me some advise. Best regards
[12:07] <Mathsterk> robertas: tried booting from the dvd/cd?
[12:14] <robertas> no, what would that change?
[12:15] <Mathsterk> probably lots of stuff...
[12:17] <robertas> But I don't think that it would solve the "not shutting down completely" problem
[12:39] <xubuntu903> Hi xubuntu people. Does anyone know which repository to use to get libwxbase2.8-dev for 12.04?
[13:44] <fusk> Anyone knows how to add a new button in a menu ?
[15:09] <someone235> hi, how can i change mouse sesitivity?
[15:10] <someone235> not just double click
[15:10] <someone235> any click
[15:10] <someone235> for example, when I click on a link on google chrome, it opens it several times
[15:18] <Mathsterk> yeah
[15:33] <blackgatocatnegr> handbrake finally has a version for xubuntu 12.04
[15:45] <aquix> I have had handbrake for months?
[15:46] <blackgatonegro> well, did you updgrade from 11.10 or did a manual install?+
[15:47] <aquix> it was in the repos. I did a fresh install of 12.04
[15:47] <blackgatonegro> weird
[15:48] <blackgatonegro> did not happen when I did my install
[15:48] <blackgatonegro> anyway, I have handbrake now
[15:50] <aquix> yup :)
[15:52] <blackgatonegro> Acetoneiso is no daemon tools, but it does it work
[15:54] <blackgatonegro> and it has a gui and is chessy easy to use
[16:32] <battleumca> здарова всем есть русскоязычные?
[16:33] <Unit193> !ru
[16:33] <battleumca> спс
[16:33] <battleumca> !кг
[16:33] <battleumca> !ru
[16:35] <battleumca> помогите плз у меня на хубунту 12.04 не пашет инет через роутер на прямую всё ок, а роутер не видит(
[16:37] <battleumca> plz help me i have xubuntu 12.04 does not work online through a router to direct all ok, but the router does not see (
[16:38] <blackgatonegro> battleumca, is a fresh install?
[16:38] <battleumca> yes
[16:39] <battleumca> freshly
[16:40] <battleumca> and i instaled xubuntu 11.10 and have the same problem
[16:40] <battleumca> before
[16:42] <blackgatonegro> ok
[16:43] <blackgatonegro> do you have somnething you wanna keep in the hard disk?
[16:44] <blackgatonegro> because the best option is backup, and install being online, update during install with proprietary drivers check in.
[16:44] <blackgatonegro> there have been tons of updates released for 12.04
[16:45] <battleumca> i do it and this router do need drivers,i now have xubuntu 12.04 with full updates
[16:47] <blackgatonegro> well, whats the router model?
[16:47] <battleumca> tp-link-r402m
[16:49] <blackgatonegro> try to use upnp-router-control program, but you must enable UPnP Router Control  to utilize it on router. Is it wi-fi?
[16:50] <battleumca> no it no wi-fi router
[16:50] <blackgatonegro> ok
[16:50] <battleumca> this cable router
[16:51] <blackgatonegro> upnp-router-control then
[16:51] <blackgatonegro> I have to leave for a bit, feel free to ask someone else
[16:51] <battleumca> what this upnp?
[16:51] <battleumca> ok thank)
[16:52] <blackgatonegro> search "upnp-router-control" on ubuntu software center
[16:56] <battleumca>  plz help me i have xubuntu 12.04 does not work online through a router to direct all ok, but the router does not see (
[16:59] <battleumca>  plz help me i have xubuntu 12.04 does not work online through a router to direct all ok, but the router does not see (
[17:01] <pleia2> !patience
[17:04] <Azazel> anyone have experience with missing icons in menus (like the settings manager), regardless of the icon theme in use?
[17:04] <battleumca>  plz help me i have xubuntu 12.04 does not work online through a router to direct all ok, but the router does not see (
[17:05] <pleia2> battleumca: please stop asking the same question over and over again and read the notice ubottu posted
[17:06] <battleumca> i need help on this day
[17:06] <pleia2> no one here knows how to help right now, asking your question over and over again won't help
[17:06] <pleia2> please try one of the other support options if you need help immediately
[17:07] <battleumca> i asked and on ubuntu chanel)
[17:07] <battleumca> i asked when anything invited in the chanel
[17:12] <fusk> Anyone know how to add a new button in a menu ?
[17:12] <Mathsterk> fusk: yes
[17:13] <Mathsterk> i don't
[17:13] <Mathsterk> but someone do
[17:16] <Azazel> fusk: do you mean add a new menu or change an icon in the menu?
[17:17] <fusk> Add a new option in a dropdown menu
[17:18] <Azazel> easiest way would be: Menu > Settings > Main Menu > Add
[17:20] <fusk> it's in the dropdown menu for when laptop is closed in powermanagement
[17:20] <Azazel> ahh nvm then, thought you meant the main menu. :P
[17:23] <fusk> Azazel, nah, it's because the sleep function is broken in ubuntu and all it's siblings, want to use a diffrent one and add that as an option.
[17:46] <MReaper-17> hello
[17:52] <MReaper-17> hola
[17:57] <bazhang> !es | MReaper-17
[18:40] <BankZ> any tips on how to make xubuntu look cool?
[18:45] <bazhang> !themes | BankZ
[18:46] <Unit193> Best bet with themes is going with Shimmer themes, or that other one I can't remember as most don't support GTK2 and GTK3 well.
[18:47] <Mathsterk> anything fun i can do while reinstalling my system? :P
[18:50] <BankZ> Shimmer themes?
[18:51] <Unit193> http://shimmerproject.org
[18:53] <BankZ> meh. make little difference
[18:54] <BankZ> ohh, well, I will slum it
[18:56] <BankZ> I see this and it looks cool:
[18:56] <BankZ> https://twitter.com/#!/xoomdev/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com%2FXxnkzfMB
[18:57] <Mathsterk> isn't that fedora?
[18:57] <pleia2> "cool" is very subjective, maybe ask them what themes they are using?
[18:57] <Unit193> That is KDE.
[18:58] <BankZ> ok, maybe I will try KDE
[18:58] <Mathsterk> i saw the little "f" in the bottom left corner :P
[18:59] <BankZ> is it easy to install kde on xubuntu?
[18:59] <pleia2> probably just search the software center for kde
[19:00] <aquix> think the package is called kde-standard
[19:00] <Mathsterk> !kde
[19:02] <BankZ> ok, lets see if this make linux more usable
[19:03] <BankZ> do you guys run windows at all?
[19:03] <BankZ> like in a VM?
[19:03] <Mathsterk> i run it on my toilet
[19:04] <pleia2> BankZ: for non-support questions you probably want #xubuntu-offtopic :)
[19:04] <BankZ> sorry, im a n00b
[19:09] <b00010111> Hey folks, I have a question regarding busybox. I followed this guide http://blog.markloiseau.com/2012/05/ubuntu-aes-xts-plain64/ to setup full disk encryption. BUT I do not want a password, I want a keyfile. So I changes cryptsetup parameter. Everything works fine: encryption and decryption. While I' am trying to boot the new system I drop to a busybox shell. So far everything fine. I mount the usb stick with the keyfile, encrypt the device /sda3
[19:10] <b00010111> I tried to move (mount --move) /proc /sys and /dev to the mounted & encryped device (sda3)
[19:10] <b00010111> works
[19:10] <b00010111> then I try to switch_root /new_root
[19:10] <b00010111> but which init script to I need and with params?
[19:11] <b00010111> i tried init script that is located in /boot with the parameters in proc/cmdline
[19:12] <b00010111> but I still get the same error /dev/mapper/crypt (encrypted device sda3) missing
[19:13] <b00010111> anyone successfully implemented xubuntu with fulldisk encryption and key-file?
[19:13] <b00010111> any help is much appreciated
[19:15] <b00010111> links to guides also welcome
[19:15] <Unit193> All I can say is I know truecrypt does keyfiles, and does drive encryption, but don't remember if it does both.
[19:15] <Mathsterk> Unit193: it does both
[19:15] <Unit193> Mathsterk: Thank you.
[19:16] <b00010111> but truecrypt is not able to encrypt folders and files
[19:16] <Mathsterk> i've played enough with truecrypt to remember that :P
[19:16] <b00010111> as I know it is not able to create a true fulldisk encryption with preboot auth
[19:16] <Unit193> I did the windows encryption a long time ago, and I have done keyfiles too, even have it installed here.
[19:17] <b00010111> I have a windows system with truecrypt and preboot auth as well
[19:17] <b00010111> but I don't see this on unix systems
[19:17] <b00010111> I think is is not possible
[19:18] <Unit193> The alternate installer offers LVM with enctyption in the partitioning screen.
[19:18] <b00010111> I know, but as far a I know only with password
[19:18] <b00010111> no option for keyfiles
[19:27] <b00010111> I really like to have a bin keyfile, like a .jpg, cause you can hide it on an sd-card with hundreds of other pictures
[19:27] <b00010111> that's why I' am not happy with a password ;)
[19:28] <Mathsterk> hide the password with other passwords
[19:30] <b00010111> that is not the same. A SD card with pictures is quit normal and will not raise attention
[19:30] <b00010111> a list of random strings will raise attention
[19:31] <b00010111> It is a bit paranoid I know.
[19:31] <b00010111> but it must be possible to get this setup working
[20:11] <ws12> hi all
[20:11] <Unit193> !hi
[20:14] <ws12> i have a question
[20:18] <b00010111> feel free to ask @ws12
[20:24] <BankZ> is there a problem with TWR and N7?
[21:40] <ps2aux> does anybody know if i can use the alternate installer cd to install xubuntu 12.04 without going into X?
[21:41] <holstein> ps2aux: thats what it should do... should work great with lower ram
[21:41] <ps2aux> Every time i start with the install cd in, it goes into x and wants to install from there, and proceeds to die.
[21:42] <ps2aux> i remember i had an older ubuntu alternate install disk, and it had a command line installer which worked great, so i  was hoping there may be something similar here
[21:44] <holstein> ps2aux: its the alternate installer
[21:44] <holstein> you'll see it here ps2aux http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/
[21:44] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/xubuntu-12.04-alternate-i386.iso for example
[21:45] <ps2aux> i could have sworn that's what i have, but i'll double check!  it won't be the first time i've let something semi-obvious slip by me.  thanks
[21:46] <holstein> ps2aux: no worries... let us know
[21:46] <ps2aux> will do
[21:48] <greasegum> this is annoying me in xfce-panel: when I click the icon of a focused window to minimize it, I can't click again to bring it back immediately. I have to focus another window first, then I can click to restore. anyone not have this problem?
[21:54] <Mathsterk> greasegum: not afaik
[22:00] <greasegum> Mathsterk:: ok, hmmm. I wonder how I might go about changing this behavior. Any thoughts?
[22:01] <Mathsterk> check menu > settings > settings manager > window manager
[22:01] <Mathsterk> must be something there
[22:12] <ps2aux> I just wanted to thank you for your help earlier... If you would believe this, I had both installation CDs in my machine... so I wasn't crazy in thinking that I had the alternate installer, just crazy in not noticing that both my drives were loaded
[22:18] <greasegum> I am using compiz as my wm
[23:40] <Mahmoud> how easy is it to install gnome 3 xubuntu? i want to give it a try
[23:59] <xubuntu911> Hello. I dual-booted Xubuntu for the first time onto my Dell Latitude D610 laptop via a DVD. Unfortunately, I am unable to connect to my verizon wireless network; due to the error: "Wireless Networks: device not ready (firmware missing)" . Nothing I found on the internet seems to be able to help. Any advice?


[05:07] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.10 - i386 - i386 built.
[05:31] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.10 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[12:34] <Unit193> bluesabre: Hrm.  You want ristretto?  I'll take xfdesktop4 and the rest of the thunar transition, unless you want some (though I get dropbox, doing that in Debian.)
[12:35] <Unit193> That's all that's left btw, everything else is done.
[21:30] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.10 - i386 - i386 built.
[21:31] <Unit193> ↑ is because the workaround is still needed for ubiquity, else craaashing.
[21:48] <bluesabre> Unit193: did we get a release, or do I need to package a patched version?
[21:56] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.10 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[22:05] <Unit193> bluesabre: Couldn't convince for a release, have to add dbus to configure.
[22:05] <Unit193> (Remember that one doesn't have to manually xdt-autogen now.)
[22:09] <bluesabre> alrighty, will take a look
[22:12] <Unit193> If you really don't have time or whatnot, I'll get to it eventually.  I just hate having to patch it to pull that in, when gdbus is sitting in git. :/
[22:14] <bluesabre> not sure what you mean about adding dbus, but I can conceivably work on getting ristretto released
[22:15] <bluesabre> seems like the only changes since last release are a few fixes and gdbus
[23:55] <Unit193> Wimpress: BTW, you've been pinged on https://github.com/newsboat/newsboat/pull/192 a few times. :P


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[03:44] <juanc> Buenas noches
[03:45] <juanc> ¿Alguien sabe como instalar Mobile Media Converteren ubuntu studio sin que de problemas para su aplicación?
[03:45] <juanc> lo instale de la misma formaque que lo instale en ubuntu con  unity y no me funciono.
[03:49] <estebian> juanc, lo instalaste gráfico o por terminal?
[03:49] <estebian> juanc, aptitude | apt?
[03:50] <juanc> grafico
[03:50] <juanc> es que Mobile Media Converter no vieno por defecto el los repositoios de ubuntu
[03:51] <juanc> hay que descargarlo desde su pagina oficial
[04:18] <estebian> Tienes el .deb?
[04:18] <estebian> juanc,
[04:22] <juanc> dime
[04:57] <UberMusik> hi. I'm running Ubuntu Studio 12.04 and i have been unpacking some large sound font archives ... i wasn't paying attention, and my available disk space is 0 ... so, i tried to mount my second internal HD, but there's not space available to mount the drive .. i've tried deleting files, but my trash will not empty either .. does that operation require additional space? first question .. why on earth does Ubuntu let the remaining
[04:57] <UberMusik> second, and more important question: how might i go about resolving this?
[05:06] <len-dt> UberMusik, probably the easiest thing to do would be to mount the second drive from a cd or DVD live session and do the copying deleting there... In fact you may be able to delete things better from command line anyway....  I am sure there is a reserved root only space... but that is settable and I guess it is set to zero
[05:11] <UberMusik> len-dt: .. quite likely .. it's a relatively new install, and i haven't tweaked much of anything ... i'm moving all my samples to the larger HD, which I should have done in the first place .. thanks again
[05:12] <len-dt> No problem
[05:40] <anthony>  New ubuntu user. Installed studio and trying to get a lexicon omega usb soundcard working. Any hints?
[05:40] <anthony>  lsusb gives me anthony@anthony-HP-Pavilion-dv6000-RG360UA-ABA:~$ lsusb
[05:40] <anthony>  Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[05:40] <anthony>  Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[05:40] <anthony>  Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[05:40] <anthony>  Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[05:40] <anthony>  Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[05:40] <anthony>  Bus 001 Device 003: ID 05ca:1870 Ricoh Co., Ltd Webcam 1000
[05:40] <anthony>  Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0451:3200 Texas Instruments, Inc.
[05:40] <anthony> anthony@anthony-HP-Pavilion-dv6000-RG360UA-ABA:~$
[05:40] <anthony>   but i can't see the device in the sound settings.
[05:42] <len-dt> So is the sound card the TI device then?
[05:42] <len-dt> What are the last ten lines of dmesg right after plugging the Audio IF in?
[05:52] <anthony> I suppose TI is the device, because if I unplug it it disappears
[05:53] <len-dt> when you type dmesg right after plugging it in what do you get?
[05:54] <anthony> [  560.642201] usb 2-1: new full-speed USB device number 3 using uhci_hcd
[05:54] <anthony> [  560.935240] 3:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x1
[05:54] <anthony> [  560.940231] 3:1:2: cannot get freq at ep 0x1
[05:54] <anthony> [  560.946238] 3:2:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x83
[05:54] <anthony> [  560.951238] 3:2:2: cannot get freq at ep 0x83
[05:54] <anthony> [  560.971257] 3:4:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x2
[05:54] <anthony> [  560.976252] 3:4:2: cannot get freq at ep 0x2
[05:54] <anthony> [  560.982256] 3:5:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x85
[05:54] <anthony> [  560.987272] 3:5:2: cannot get freq at ep 0x85
[05:54] <anthony> [  561.013261] 3:9:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x1
[05:54] <anthony> [  561.018244] 3:9:2: cannot get freq at ep 0x1
[05:54] <anthony> [  561.024264] 3:10:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x83
[05:54] <anthony> [  561.029251] 3:10:2: cannot get freq at ep 0x83
[05:54] <anthony> [ 1913.000692] usb 2-1: USB disconnect, device number 3
[05:54] <anthony> [ 1926.079204] usb 2-1: new full-speed USB device number 4 using uhci_hcd
[05:55] <len-dt> It doesn't seem to be recognizing the IF.
[05:56] <anthony> Please excuse my ignorance, what is IF?
[05:56] <len-dt> Sorry interface
[05:57] <anthony> Any suggestion on what to do?
[05:59] <len-dt> I'm looking...
[06:02] <anthony> It should work somehow. Searching around forums last night to find info I saw that user BcRich has one working.
[06:04] <len-dt> what happens if you type sudo modprobe snd-usb-audio
[06:06] <len-dt> Does lsmod that module running?
[06:08] <anthony> [    0.000000] reg 0, base: 0GB, range: 1GB, type WB
[06:08] <anthony> [    0.000000] reg 1, base: 1015MB, range: 1MB, type UC
[06:08] <anthony> [    0.000000] reg 2, base: 1016MB, range: 8MB, type UC
[06:08] <anthony> [    0.000000] found SMP MP-table at [c00f7e90] f7e90
[06:08] <anthony> [    0.000000] initial memory mapped : 0 - 01e00000
[06:08] <anthony> [    0.000000] Base memory trampoline at [c009b000] 9b000 size 16384
[06:08] <anthony> [    0.000000] init_memory_mapping:<PHONE_NUMBER>000000-0000000037bfe000
[06:08] <anthony> [    0.000000]<PHONE_NUMBER> -<PHONE_NUMBER> page 4k
[06:08] <anthony> [    0.000000]<PHONE_NUMBER> - 0037a00000 page 2M
[06:08] <anthony> [    0.000000]  0037a00000 - 0037bfe000 page 4k
[06:08] <anthony> [    0.000000] kernel direct mapping tables up to 37bfe000 @ 1dfb000-1e00000
[06:08] <anthony> [    0.000000] RAMDISK: 36516000 - 37283000
[06:08] <anthony> [    0.000000] ACPI: RSDP 000f7de0 00014 (v00 HP    )
[06:08] <anthony> [    0.000000] ACPI: RSDT 3f67deab 00044 (v01 HP     30BB     06040000  LTP 00000000)
[06:08] <anthony> [    0.000000] ACPI: FACP 3f685dee 00074 (v01 HP     30BB     06040000 LOHR 0000005A)
[06:08] <anthony> [    0.000000] ACPI: DSDT 3f67eacd 07321 (v01 HP     30BB     06040000 MSFT 0100000E)
[06:08] <anthony> [    0.000000] ACPI: FACS 3f686fc0 00040
[06:09] <anthony> [    0.000000] ACPI: APIC 3f685e62 00068 (v01 HP     30BB     06040000 LOHR 0000005A)
[06:09] <anthony> [    0.000000] ACPI: HPET 3f685eca 00038 (v01 HP     30BB     06040000 LOHR 0000005A)
[06:09] <len-dt> whoa
[06:09] <anthony> [    0.000000] ACPI: MCFG 3f685f02 0003C (v01 HP     30BB     06040000 LOHR 0000005A)
[06:09] <anthony> [    0.000000] ACPI: BOOT 3f685fd8 00028 (v01 HP     30BB     06040000  LTP 00000001)
[06:09] <anthony> [    0.000000] ACPI: APIC 3f685f70 00068 (v01 HP     30BB     06040000  LTP 00000000)
[06:09] <anthony> [    0.000000] ACPI: SSDT 3f67e8bf 0020A (v01  HP    30BB     00001000 INTL 20050624)
[06:09] <anthony> [    0.000000] ACPI: SSDT 3f67deef 004F6 (v01 HP     30BB     00003000 INTL 20050624)
[06:09] <anthony> [    0.000000] ACPI: BIOS bug: multiple APIC/MADT found, using 0
[06:09] <anthony> [    0.000000] ACPI: If "acpi_apic_instance=2" works better, notify<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:09] <anthony> [    0.000000] ACPI: Local APIC address 0xfee00000
[06:09] <anthony> [    0.000000] 122MB HIGHMEM available.
[06:09] <len-dt> anthony, Not the whole dmesg
[06:09] <anthony> [    0.000000] 891MB LOWMEM available.
[06:09] <anthony> [    0.000000]   mapped low ram: 0 - 37bfe000
[06:09] <anthony> [    0.000000]   low ram: 0 - 37bfe000
[06:09] <anthony> [    0.000000] Zone PFN ranges:
[06:09] <anthony> [    0.0000
[06:09] <anthony> Stupid question, how do you scroll terminal?
[06:10] <len-dt> shift arrow
[06:11] <len-dt> There should also be a scroll bar on the side
[06:11] <anthony> ok, let me try again
[06:11] <len-dt> Does lsmod show any snd-* modules?
[06:13] <anthony> Module                  Size  Used by
[06:13] <anthony> snd_hda_codec_conexant    48893  1
[06:13] <anthony> snd_usb_audio          84878  2
[06:13] <anthony> joydev                 17045  0
[06:13] <anthony> snd_usbmidi_lib        23156  1 snd_usb_audio
[06:13] <anthony> hp_wmi                 13094  0
[06:13] <anthony> sparse_keymap          12680  1 hp_wmi
[06:13] <anthony> arc4                   12418  2
[06:13] <anthony> snd_hda_intel          26213  4
[06:13] <anthony> snd_hda_codec          88883  2 snd_hda_codec_conexant,snd_hda_intel
[06:13] <anthony> rfcomm                 36924  0
[06:13] <anthony> snd_hwdep              12910  2 snd_usb_audio,snd_hda_codec
[06:13] <anthony> bnep                   17304  2
[06:13] <anthony> parport_pc             30454  0
[06:13] <anthony> bluetooth             149293  10 rfcomm,bnep
[06:13] <anthony> ppdev                  12657  0
[06:13] <anthony> snd_pcm                69932  3 snd_usb_audio,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec
[06:13] <anthony> psmouse                68512  0
[06:13] <len-dt> Ok, that looks good
[06:14] <anthony> snd_seq_midi           12744  0
[06:14] <anthony> binfmt_misc            16914  1
[06:14] <anthony> snd_rawmidi            22321  2 snd_usbmidi_lib,snd_seq_midi
[06:14] <anthony> serio_raw              12733  0
[06:14] <anthony> r592                   17240  0
[06:14] <anthony> r852                   17444  0
[06:14] <anthony> sm_common              16434  1 r852
[06:14] <anthony> nand                   47906  2 r852,sm_common
[06:14] <len-dt> anthony, that looks good
[06:14] <anthony> memstick               13434  1 r592
[06:14] <anthony> nand_ids                8209  1 nand
[06:14] <anthony> iwl3945                71346  0
[06:14] <anthony> mtd                    31582  2 sm_common,nand
[06:14] <anthony> nand_bch               12442  1 nand
[06:14] <anthony> bch                    21259  1 nand_bch
[06:14] <anthony> iwl_legacy             55069  1 iwl3945
[06:14] <anthony> snd_seq_midi_event     13124  1 snd_seq_midi
[06:14] <anthony> nand_ecc               12412  1 nand
[06:14] <anthony> mac80211              390762  2 iwl3945,iwl_legacy
[06:14] <anthony> snd_seq                47720  2 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
[06:14] <anthony> i915                  389477  2
[06:14] <anthony> snd_timer              26615  2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
[06:14] <anthony> snd_seq_device         13015  3 snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
[06:14] <anthony> cfg80211              159973  3 iwl3945,iwl_legacy,mac80211
[06:14] <anthony> drm_kms_helper         39217  1 i915
[06:14] <anthony> drm                   163315  3 i915,drm_kms_helper
[06:14] <anthony> snd                    51141  25 snd_hda_codec_conexant,snd_usb_audio,snd_usbmidi_lib,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
[06:14] <anthony> wmi                    17301  1 hp_wmi
[06:14] <anthony> i2c_algo_bit
[06:15] <anthony> I peaked in the sound settings and the lexicon appeared! What happened?!?
[06:15] <mlpug> anthony, i guess that soon some flood monitor prevents you to post more
[06:16] <len-dt> Did you do the modprobe snd-usb-audio?
[06:16] <anthony> I peaked in the sound settings and the lexicon appeared! What happened?!?
[06:17] <anthony> Yes Idid
[06:17] <len-dt> anthony, that is why. That module should have been loaded automatically
[06:17] <len-dt> It was not. when you loaded it manually everything worked
[06:18] <len-dt> For some reason the signature of that card is not recognized by udev
[06:19] <len-dt> I don't know how to make it automatic... maybe someone else does.
[06:19] <anthony> So every reboot I must load manually with modprobe?
[06:19] <len-dt> Also, I am going to have to go. It is late here.
[06:20] <len-dt> If the card is plugged in at boot all the time
[06:20] <anthony> Thank a lot
[06:20] <len-dt> you can add the command to /etc/rc.local
[06:20] <len-dt> (without the sudo)
[06:21] <anthony> That is past it in the temninal?
[06:21] <len-dt> But if you plug it in after boot, you would have to do that
[06:21] <len-dt> ya sudo nano /etc/rc.local
[06:23] <len-dt> just move the cursor down past the comment and type in modeprobe snd-usb-audio then ctl-x to save
[06:23] <anthony> Ill try to experiment with that. Thank's a lot, I don't what to hold you up late!
[06:23] <len-dt> Good night
[06:24] <anthony> Morning for me! Good night
[20:09] <JimJoe> hello guys
[20:18] <UberMusik> hi, i'm about to instal UbuntuStudio 12.04 from DVD onto a second HD ... i have a single 500 gig partition ... is this ok, or do i need to create a smaller partition as well?  i recall running into issues the first time i installed, and i want to do it correctly this time ..
[20:36] <UberMusik> never mind .. walking through the install process reminded me .. yes, i need to define a swap area .. which i've done .. made the smaller partition ... installation now in progress
[20:42] <JimJoe> UberMusik hi
[20:42] <JimJoe> you still here?
[20:42] <UberMusik> hi JimJoe
[20:43] <JimJoe> im completly new to unix / ubuntu
[20:43] <JimJoe> i downloaded ubuntu studio 12.04 and burned the iso to a disc
[20:44] <JimJoe> tried many times to install the operating system to a newly formatted Hard drive by booting from the dvd
[20:44] <UberMusik> i'm pretty new as well .. installed it for the first time ~5 weeks ago .. but i did get it working once ..
[20:44] <JimJoe> but it crashed at different places constantly
[20:45] <JimJoe> couldnt get it installed, eventually i partitioned the hard drive using my old windows xp dvd and then installed xp onto a partition
[20:45] <UberMusik> that's sort of what i did ..
[20:45] <JimJoe> and then from within windows xp i inserted the ubuntu studio dvd and the autorun popped up and i installed it ok onto a different partition
[20:45] <UberMusik> i have 2 HDs installed
[20:46] <UberMusik> first, i installed XP on the primary HD
[20:46] <JimJoe> only thing is, it dosnt seem to have instaled ubunto studio, its installed ubunto 12.04 standard
[20:46] <JimJoe> odd?
[20:46] <UberMusik> then i (just) formatted the second HD into two partitions (one smaller to use for swap) and now it's installing ...   are you 100% sure you downloaded the correct ISO? where did you get it from?
[20:48] <JimJoe> from offical site... yea, it seemed to be installing ubunto studio (metal background by default when i was trying to install from booting from the live disc) but the autorun from within win xp installed the standard ubunto 12.04 with the purple background and all its apps
[20:48] <JimJoe> and none of the graphics / sound apps etc that i wanted from studio
[20:48] <JimJoe> also it didnt ask me did i want to install 64 or 32bit
[20:48] <UberMusik> i'm pretty sure you should have restarted, and booted from DVD ... not auto-run  .. but i'm no expert there ..
[20:49] <JimJoe> everytime i tryed that the installation would crash :/
[20:49] <JimJoe> was very unstable
[20:50] <JimJoe> im still learning it all anyway, i wanna get a look at other distros like mint etc
[20:50] <UberMusik> ? it shouldn't ask you to install 64 vs 32 .. as far as i understand, those are different ISOs entirely .. in fact .. i just wasted 2 hours downloading the 64-bit by mistake .. there are 4 links .. 64 bit torrent .. 64-bit direct download, 32-bit torrent, and 64-bit local
[20:50] <JimJoe> so it dont really matter for now
[20:51] <JimJoe> ahh
[20:51] <JimJoe> what do you think of unity?
[20:51] <JimJoe> its.. .different
[20:51] <UberMusik> i'm choosing UbuntuStudio for music production ...  i'm not familiar with any other linux distros ..
[20:51] <JimJoe> yea same here, but i still would like a quick look at others
[20:52] <JimJoe> what you think of unity?
[20:53] <UberMusik> JimJoe: you'll have to ask other users for that .. sorry .. like i said, i'm not familiar with any other linux distros ..  i like UbuntuStudio so far ... i had it running for a few weeks, but then formatted the wrong partition, and am doing it all over again .. but this time, i know some mistakes to avoid ..
[20:53] <JimJoe> ah ok
[20:54] <JimJoe> i just mean the shell interface.. its alot different than the start bar ive been using for 15 years...
[20:54] <JimJoe> that bar at the left hand side
[20:54] <UberMusik> i got Ardour3b5 up and running with some plugins and other audio tools, and it was working pretty well ..  i'm used to Windows and OSX, but this is working for me so far ....
[20:54] <JimJoe> yea i really wanna try ardour... what sound card you got?
[20:55] <UberMusik> MAudio 24/96 internal card .. it's pretty nice
[20:55] <JimJoe> yea i got an emu 1820.. dont think ill get it working on linux though
[20:55] <JimJoe> gonna by something by asus perhaps
[20:55] <JimJoe> xonar essence maybe
[20:55] <UberMusik> Ardour is very impressive .. fairly steep learning curve, but there are lots of folks around to help ... irc #ardour
[20:56] <JimJoe> what sorta music you making?
[20:57] <UberMusik> JimJoe .. lots of soft synths ... combo of new age, orchestral and piano ...  but i play with all sorts of sounds ... lots of very cool sample libraries around .. many of them free
[20:58] <JimJoe> im looking to record some guitar and bass, and program some drums , then perhaps add in some orchestra stuff mainly.
[20:59] <JimJoe> will have to see can i find a linux prog that supports soundfonts
[20:59] <JimJoe> i got some great ones gathered up
[20:59] <UberMusik> LinuxSampler
[20:59] <JimJoe> yea?
[21:00] <UberMusik> a bit hard to install .. but it's pretty cool .. it supports SFZ, SF2 and GIG
[21:00] <JimJoe> excellant
[21:00] <UberMusik> there's also fluidsynth, but i haven't tried that yet
[21:01] <JimJoe> http://www.linuxsampler.org/instruments.html
[21:01] <UberMusik> JimJoe: by the way, i downloaded the 32-bit torrent from here:   http://ubuntustudio.org/download/
[21:01] <JimJoe> hmm looks like they got a real good grand piano
[21:01] <UberMusik> torrent was faster than direct
[21:01] <UberMusik> if you want piano, you want the Salamander grand piano
[21:01] <UberMusik> and load that into LinuxSampler
[21:02] <JimJoe> ta
[21:02] <JimJoe> gotta get ubunto studio asap really
[21:03] <JimJoe> that link is where i downloaded the 64bit torrent as well
[21:03] <UberMusik> JimJoe: i've got to go, but you should join #ardour, #jack, #lad and #linuxsampler ... i've got tons of help from those groups ..
[21:03] <UberMusik> good luck
[21:03] <JimJoe> with the 32bit u using a workaround to get more tha 4gb of ram being used?
[21:03] <JimJoe> cheers man
[21:03] <JimJoe> good luck
[21:04] <UberMusik> i only have 2 gigs .. 32-bit is good for me ..
[21:04] <UberMusik> later
[21:05] <JimJoe> cya
[21:59] <tech1> i understand ardour dosnt have midi sequencing yet... is there some other program that has midi that i can integrate with it?
[22:07] <tech1> ahh i found it. qtractor


 @KMyers Aaaaah this bundle is for me 8D
 AVR Programming, FPGA, and Bluetooth have my eye..
[14:35] <mhall119>  62
 The meaning of life is 42 mhall119
 @RazPi, Yup, that's why I tagged you on it
 In fact, it should have just been called the Judd Jackson bundle
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XRRSmZH7CM&feature=youtu.be


[00:04] <xTEMPLARx> they who what what?
[00:04] <xTEMPLARx> hah :D  using a bluetooth kb on my ipad XD
[00:04] <xTEMPLARx> makes this much simpler for sure
[00:06] <bwmaker> :)
[00:06] <bwmaker> iPads never really caught on with me.
[00:06] <xTEMPLARx> heya bwmaker
[00:06] <bwmaker> Howdy.
[00:06] <xTEMPLARx> see i bought mine with the caveat that I wouldn't try to force it into duty just to justify its purchase
[00:07] <xTEMPLARx> just wanted to let it get in where it fit in
[00:07] <xTEMPLARx> i've had this (ipad2) since it was released and have used it pretty much every day since
[00:07] <xTEMPLARx> its a great browser and netflix machine :D
[00:08] <bwmaker> I have a Nexus 7. I use it sometimes.


[00:19] <bjsnider> !find file libxul.pc
[00:19] <bjsnider> !find file libxul.pc raring
[09:53] <hubx> Hi there, any chance to get chrome beta in channel in 13.04? https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/beta seems dead
[09:53] <smartboyhw> hubx, Chrome beta?
[09:54] <smartboyhw> Chromium is different from Google Chrome.
[09:59] <hubx> smartboyhw, I wanted to say Chromium... but Chrome Beta is also fine. Sometimes I have webdev stuff to do and want bleeding edge ;)
[10:00] <smartboyhw> hubx, mm? Try Chrome Canary. It's very bleeding-edge, but it's regularly auto-updated (unlike Chromium which uses apt-get). Also, 13.04 is NOT the scope in #ubuntu+1 now, try asking in #ubuntu might be better:)
[10:01] <hubx> smartboyhw, alright ty :)
[10:08] <BluesKaj_> Hiyas all
[15:10] <shadows> glad to see 3.10 kernel land
[16:23] <paulo_gomes> hi all
[16:23] <paulo_gomes> anyone has fglrx working in saucy?
[16:27] <shadows> paulo_gomes: why?
[16:28] <paulo_gomes> i've tryed and get black screen, both from repos and amd site
[16:28] <shadows> interesting;   sorry to be not much help here
[16:29] <paulo_gomes> no problem, just curious if is something to do with my hardware or from the driver
[16:29] <paulo_gomes> opensource driver works great
[16:29] <shadows> I once used a desktop computer with ATI (not AMD then) fglrx and it was a mess, so I would use the open source 2d drivers ;   when I got a new computer I verified it to use open source drivers and Intel graphics on this laptop
[16:30] <shadows> I have the same laptop for 3 years + now
[16:30] <shadows> not very experienced with any development for fglrx since that many years ago
[16:31] <paulo_gomes> :) that's the downsize of laptops, we cant change the graphic card :)
[16:31] <shadows> paulo_gomes: I have read from many places that there is a "verified hardware driver" communication between the graphics device and the kernel drivers
[16:32] <shadows> I would guess that your cable is plugged into the opposite connector or that fglrx is not talking to the graphics card correctly
[16:32] <shadows> pure speculation
[16:33] <shadows> I do remember that closed drivers would initialize the device in a different order than open drivers and I would have to swap the cable to another connector :)
[16:33] <paulo_gomes> im on laptop
[16:34] <shadows> ohhh
[16:34] <shadows> still true!  maybe the output is going to external display/
[16:34] <paulo_gomes> ah, didnt check that
[16:34] <shadows> may be worthy to try the Fn+Key combo to change monitors
[16:35] <paulo_gomes> yep, gonna try that
[16:35] <paulo_gomes> thnks shadows
[18:02] <johnjohn101> will mir be available if i'm running on a vmware machine?
[18:17] <trism> johnjohn101: at the moment, the answer seems to be no: bug 1157196
[18:21] <johnjohn101> trism: will be interesting to see mir roll out.  i think it's pretty aggressive to roll out to desktop in 13.10 but welcomed
[23:10] <hapster> Hi now that it was announced that ubuntu 13.10 will ship with Mir, will this mean only laptops with intel graphics will be able to take advantage of it?
[23:11] <Daekdroom> hapster, what do you mean?
[23:11] <hapster> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/06/mir-display-server-to-ship-default-in-ubuntu-13-10
[23:11] <Daekdroom> 13.10 will still ship with X.org because of the closed-source AMD/Nvidia drivers.
[23:11] <Daekdroom> (and I think that is said on that page)
[23:11] <hapster> Daekdroom so does that mean I won't be able to use wine?
[23:12] <Daekdroom> I don't see why you wouldn't.
[23:12] <hapster> or play games with wine?
[23:12] <Daekdroom> It could interfere, but ideally not.
[23:13] <hapster> I currently have an nvidia optimus laptop. It works with bumblebee and I'm quite satisfied with it. I believe it relies on Xorg configs. If I upgrade to 13.10 this means that I won't be able to use bumblebee right? Or maybe use bumblebee with nouveau. but not sure about how good nouveau's support is for nvidia optimus.
[23:15] <Daekdroom> About how/whether bumblebee works with nouveau (and Mir?) I'm not aware of.
[23:15] <Daekdroom> But like I said, they intend to still ship X.org as a fallback in 13.10
[23:19] <hapster> Yeah. But I really wanna try out XMir.:)) And it'll suck if it won't work with nvidia.XD I believe you can configure it in bumblebee.conf for it to use nouveau. :)


[04:00] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:56] <lobo1980> hello everyone
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> welcome lobo1980
[11:45] <marcoagpinto> three months for it!!!!
[11:45] <marcoagpinto> it is comming!
[11:45] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: im already on it for long :p
[13:16] <marcoagpinto> :p


[06:45] <knight_pi> morning
[15:27] <knight_pi> hey popey
[15:28] <knight_pi> j
[15:28] <zxmpi_> tis a quiet day
[15:28] <knight_pi> kids next door are having a birthday party
[15:29] <knight_pi> silently pondering what it would take to drown some of them
[15:29] <knight_pi> or at least lock them up in a soundproof bunker
[15:29] <knight_pi> on the dark side of pluto
[15:29] <zxmpi_> order a bouncy castle to your place and have a fun time in the garden with it laughing at them :-)
[15:29] <knight_pi> THAT is sweet revenge indeed
[15:30] <knight_pi> but it would not take care of the noise
[15:30] <knight_pi> seriously... we have a little pub behind the house where (when we heard it right) we might have another noisy wedding tonight
[15:30] <zxmpi_> your noise would drown out theirs helped by the compressor
[15:31] <knight_pi> yeah
[15:32] <knight_pi> I swear , one of those kids needs a bloody exorcist
[18:41] <daftykins> \o
[20:49] <daftykins> a fella that's walking coast to coast in the US, visiting only Subway for his food is about to cross from Kansas into Colorado - https://rtirl.com/twitch:731642510 live tracking page and livestream: https://www.twitch.tv/subwaysean although it's breaking up a lot atm
[20:53] <penguin42> ouch, how long is he expecting that walk to take?
[20:56] <daftykins> well he's over half way and day 112
[21:01] <daftykins> 5-6 months he put as an estimate on over 3,000 miles
[21:02] <penguin42> that's one hell of a walk
[21:04] <penguin42> so what's that, 150ish days, 20 miles a day; that's quite fast, I mean I walk 3-4 mph, so that would be solid 6-7 hours walking every day
[21:04] <daftykins> yeah! i doubt i'd fare well, i have a fully bruise coated big toe purely from crouching down doing network cabling in a cupboard under a desk xD
[21:04] <penguin42> probably walks about 15-20 miles a week
[21:06] <penguin42> but that's only about an hour a day; most I've ever done in a day is about 10miles
[21:07] <daftykins> i'm not even sure what i've done, laps of the island would be properly boring! they do do them as a charity event every year though
[21:07] <daftykins> up and down and up and down around staircases that snake all over the cliffs on the south coast etc
[21:08] <daftykins> e.g. https://goo.gl/maps/GNiUa8ggGRrui8vaA
[21:09]  * penguin42 is getting bored of the routes around his house
[21:09] <penguin42> anyway, time for a shower I think
[21:09] <daftykins> still limiting your exposure to the great unwashed?
[21:09] <daftykins> enjoy!
[21:09] <penguin42> daftykins: Yeh, give me a self-driving car please!
[21:10] <daftykins> :)
[21:27] <zxmpi_> my evening walks take me around the empty back roads of suburbs here. in 2 hour walk i see a few dozen people mostly walking dogs. with easy opportunity to be on far side of the road from them
[21:28] <daftykins> then you pick 'em off with a paintball gun!
[21:28] <daftykins> *thwap* *thwap*
[22:02] <penguin42> woof woof yelp!
[22:04] <daftykins> xD
[22:05] <irl25519> what's wrong with my connection?
[22:05] <penguin42> zxmpi_: Yeh I think I've discovered most of the back roads around here since covid; pre-covid I used to mostly just walk to the supermarkets
[22:05] <penguin42> irl25519: You've got it plugged in upside down
[22:06] <irl25519> lmao
[22:39] <zxmpi_> when you can plug in a usb connection upside down it should still work out of fear :-P
[22:42] <penguin42> zxmpi_: Someone found a USB-c device that behaved differently upside down
[22:43] <penguin42> they hadn't connected the 2 sets of pins together
[22:45] <zxmpi_> i have heard a few people say that they have usb-c that doesn't work till they unplug it and turn it upside down and reinsert. i just tell them that it's backwards compatible with usb-a :-P
[22:46] <penguin42> haha