[04:45] <rezza> What package provides the default apache2.conf? I've tried reinstalling apache2 and apache2-common to no avail :(
[04:45] <Lafitte-> klaas, what are we trying to do is what i mean
[04:45] <Lafitte-> klaas,  this will fix the palm sync ?
[04:45] <jan__> heya
[04:45] <klaas> Lafitte: I'm sorry, I think I messed up names..
[04:46] <Lafitte-> klaas,   hehe   yeah   grin
[04:46] <jan__> hmm ubuntu works nicely...
[04:46] <klaas> Lafitte: It was all directed to klaus^^^^.
[04:46] <hondje> It's a nice distro, actually made me like gnome again
[04:46] <Lafitte-> klaas,  im trying to get evolution to show my palms contacts
[04:46] <Lafitte-> hehehe
[04:46] <jan__> one thing isnt going the way it should....
[04:47] <klaas> Lafitte: I can't help you with that, I don't have a pda.
[04:47] <Lafitte-> kk  hehehe
[04:47] <klaas> Lafitte: I used to have a psion revo but it broke down before I started using linux...
[04:47] <jan__> i cant open web pages... x-chat is working, ping works but the fox doesnt open pages and the update function doesnt pick up the packages
[04:48] <hondje> jan__: sudo apt-get install firefox?
[04:48] <jan__> you mean to install firefox?
[04:49] <klaas> jan__: That's what the command says.
[04:49] <jan__> well it is installed...
[04:49] <jan__> it runs fine...just doesnt open anything
[04:50] <klaas> Are you behind a firewall?
[04:50] <jan__> yeah
[04:50] <jan__> but it is configured
[04:50] <jan__> or well at least its a router firewall
[04:51] <klaas> jan__: Are there any restrictions to outbound traffic?
[04:51] <jan__> none
[04:51] <jan__> my windows clients dont experience any limitations either
[04:51] <klaas> jan__: That's wierd, did you restart firefox?
[04:52] <ivoks> what's wierd?
[04:52] <ivoks> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10681
[04:52] <ivoks> that?
[04:52] <jan__> ive even rebooted the machine... i have everything set to static ip, when using dhcp it gets an address and i can also ping etc... but it still doesnt work
[04:53] <ivoks> jan__ dns?
[04:53] <jan__> dns is set to router address... maybe i can set a secondary...
[04:53] <jan__> might be a good idea :)
[04:53] <ivoks> jan__ try this:
[04:54] <ivoks> jan__ open page http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[04:54] <ivoks> or <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:54] <klaas> jan:  whois ubuntu.com
[04:54] <jan__> i understand... dns problems... strange thing is... if i had dns problems i shoudnt be able to ping www.google.com
[04:55] <ivoks> ping?!
[04:55] <jan__> hmm ok...this happended
[04:55] <ivoks> not everyone allows ICMP
[04:55] <jan__> indeed... but google does..
[04:55] <jan__> ive tried it
[04:55] <klaas> jan__: try pingin www.kde.org they allow icmp
[04:56] <jan__> it does seem to open on ip address but at the same time it is possible to ping www.kde.org
[04:56] <ivoks> jan__ don't ping
[04:56] <ivoks> who knows what ur router does...
[04:56] <ivoks> jan__ ping master.grad.hr
[04:57] <ivoks> jan__ try telnet master.grad.hr 80 ; if that doesn't work, try telnet <IP_ADDRESS> 80
[04:57] <jan__> thanks to your tips ive narrowed it down a bit: 1- I can ping domains, 2- i can open webpages by ip, 3- i cant open webpages by domain
[04:58] <ivoks> jan__ can you telnet to www.grad.hr 80?
[04:58] <ivoks> try that
[04:58] <angie> hello there
[04:58] <angie> anyone from Poland?
[04:59] <ivoks> jan__ if you can ping master.grad.hr, then something is wrong with your router, couse you can't ping that machine
[04:59] <thenuke> angie: propably, propably not. why?
[04:59] <ivoks> angie zdravo
[04:59] <thenuke> angie: try #ubuntu.pl if you wish
[04:59] <jan__> ok im trying
[04:59] <ivoks> dobri den
[05:00] <jan__> i cant ping www.grad.hr
[05:00] <klaas> jan__: What's your router's internal address? does it have a webinterface? can you http to that?
[05:00] <jan__> yeah i can
[05:00] <ivoks> jan__ telnet to www.grad.hr 80
[05:00] <jan__> doesnt work
[05:00] <jan__> by ip it does
[05:00] <ivoks> telnet doesn't work?
[05:00] <ivoks> jan__ cat /etc/resolv.conf
[05:01] <ivoks> what namerservers are there?
[05:01] <klaas> ivoks: Can it be an isp routing problem?
[05:01] <ivoks> klaas don't think so
[05:01] <klaas> ivoks: Right, the windows clients don't have the problem, I forgot.
[05:01] <ivoks> jan__ try traceroute www.kde.org
[05:01] <jan__> my own domain's nameserver
[05:01] <angie> thenuke: tnx
[05:02] <klaas> jan: sudo apt-get install tcptraceroute
[05:02] <klaas> jan: sudo tcptraceroute www.kde.org 80
[05:03] <ivoks> sudo? :)
[05:03] <klaas> ivoks: Sorry, forgot to delete that.
[05:03] <klaas> ivoks:  from the previous line.
[05:03] <ivoks> i'm ok with that, don't do it to offten :)
[05:04] <klaas> ivoks:  I'll keep an eye on it..
[05:04] <jan__> couldnt find the package...weird
[05:04] <ivoks> apt-get install traceroute
[05:05] <jan__> has no installation candidate
[05:05] <ivoks> what's the url?
[05:05] <jan__> at least thats what it says
[05:05] <ivoks> launchpad.com?
[05:05] <ivoks> jan__ apt-get install traceroute
[05:05] <ivoks> ?
[05:05] <klaas> jan__: tcptraceroute is in universe
[05:05] <ivoks> jan__ are you maybe in windows? :)
[05:05] <jan__> whahah
[05:05] <jan__> noooo :D
[05:06] <fsapo> hi, anyone knows how can i make a app start in boot time?
[05:06] <klaas> fsapo: what kind of app?
[05:06] <Seveas> there is no traceroute
[05:06] <Seveas> there is tracepath
[05:06] <Seveas> or better: mtr
[05:06] <fsapo> klaas, its that no-ip app
[05:06] <jan__> PING www.l.google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[05:07] <jan__> 64 bytes from www.google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=1 ttl=244 time=27.2 ms
[05:07] <jan__> 64 bytes from www.google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=2 ttl=244 time=26.7 ms
[05:07] <jan__> 64 bytes from www.google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=3 ttl=244 time=26.7 ms
[05:07] <jan__> 64 bytes from www.google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=4 ttl=244 time=27.0 ms
[05:07] <jan__> 64 bytes from www.google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=5 ttl=244 time=26.7 ms
[05:07] <jan__> see
[05:07] <fsapo> klaas, is just a executable
[05:07] <Myrtti> thank you for flooding
[05:07] <fsapo> klaas, i want it to start at boot
[05:07] <jan__> me? didnt want to flood
[05:07] <jan__> just wanted to show something
[05:07] <da_bon_bon> where is ubuntus "hibernate.conf" ?
[05:07] <fsapo> jan__, so join #flood and past there
[05:08] <fsapo> jan__, or use pastebin
[05:08] <da_bon_bon> can some1 locate and tell me, please ?
[05:09] <ivoks> da_bon_bon ?
[05:09] <da_bon_bon> ya ?
[05:09] <ivoks> ubuntu doesn't have hibernate.cong
[05:09] <ivoks> ubuntu doesn't have hibernate.cong
[05:09] <ivoks> ubuntu doesn't have hibernate.conf
[05:09] <ivoks> damn.. :)
[05:09] <da_bon_bon> then
[05:09] <da_bon_bon> where does it take hibernate settings from ?
[05:09] <ivoks> what do you want to set up?
[05:09] <dataw0lf|w> /etc/acpi da_bon_bon
[05:09] <da_bon_bon> i wanna setup hibernate on antoher distro, ivoks
[05:09] <ivoks> lol
[05:10] <da_bon_bon> dataw0lf|w: thanks
[05:10] <ivoks> if u manage to do that, call me
[05:10] <klaas> jan__: can you run apt-get update?
[05:10] <jan__> ill try
[05:10] <DalaiLama> helo, anybody know why xsession need so long when i set ndiswrapper +m?
[05:10] <jan__> it is connecting
[05:11] <ivoks> jan__ it's dns problem
[05:11] <ivoks> jan__ try this
[05:11] <klaas> jan__: cancel the update.
[05:11] <ogi_> How am I supposed to open my .rar files..I already installed rar and the archieve manager still won't open them
[05:11] <ivoks> jan__ put 'nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>' in you /etc/resolv.conf
[05:12] <goofrider> ogi_, use rar-nonfree for rar 3.0 or later
[05:12] <goofrider> ogi_, in multiverse
[05:13] <ogi_> hmm
[05:13] <ogi_> goofrider, with apt-get?
[05:14] <goofrider> ogi_, mmhmmm
[05:14] <jan__> do i need to restart something after that?
[05:14] <ivoks> no
[05:15] <ivoks> now try apt-get update
[05:15] <ivoks> give it some time...
[05:15] <klaas> Does anybody have a Samsung Yepp ?
[05:15] <Encrypted> anyone know if its possible to do a net install of ubuntu ?
[05:15] <ivoks> :)
[05:15] <ivoks> klaas samsung?
[05:15] <goofrider> klaas, nope, just an ipod  :P
[05:16] <ivoks> ah, yepp
[05:16] <ivoks> i tought jeep
[05:16] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: are u here /
[05:16] <ivoks> :)
[05:16] <ivoks> jan__ nothing?
[05:16] <goofrider> ivoks, yes Samsung makes Jeep now and Ferrari makes laptops, whateber  :)
[05:16] <ogi_> goofrider, what's the command?
[05:16] <jan__> trying :) one moment please
[05:16] <klaas> I can't get it connected with linux, when I plug it in nothing happens.. not even a kernel message that a usb device is connected... :-(
[05:17] <ivoks> klaas that's bad
[05:17] <goofrider> ogi_, `sudo apt-get install rar-non-free`
[05:17] <ogi_> aah thanks
[05:17] <goofrider> ogi_, assuming u have multiverse enalbed
[05:17] <klaas> ivoks: Yepp ;-)
[05:17] <jan__> connecting 66%
[05:17] <ivoks> so, it works?
[05:17] <jan__> well it doesnt do anything yet
[05:18] <ivoks> then it doesn't
[05:18] <jan__> still @66%
[05:18] <Rudi> Hello all.
[05:18] <ivoks> jan__ do u have ethernet or wifi?
[05:18] <jan__> ehternet
[05:18] <jan__> ethernet
[05:18] <ivoks> no wifi?
[05:18] <goofrider> klaas, no dmesg, no nothing? what does the usb device browser says?
[05:18] <ivoks> are you sure?
[05:18] <ogi_> goofrider,  it seems I don't got it enabled
[05:18] <da_bon_bon> can someone tell me why suspend works in ubuntu but not on other distros ?
[05:18] <ivoks> da_bon_bon because ubuntu rulz :)
[05:18] <jan__> no wifi
[05:18] <da_bon_bon> ivoks: thank you.
[05:19] <ivoks> jan__ look at /sbin/route -n
[05:19] <klaas> Wow: it's connected... whooohooo, I quess the kernel upgrade has something to do with it.
[05:19] <ivoks> jan__ it should have something like
[05:19] <goofrider> ogi_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto#uncommenting-universe  but replace "universe" with "multiverse"
[05:19] <ivoks> jan__ <IP_ADDRESS> IP_OF_YOUR_ROUTER UG 0 0 0 eth0
[05:20] <jan__> indeed, it does...
[05:20] <klaas> Sorry, it didn't work before there was no demsg, no nothing.
[05:20] <ivoks> jan__ ok
[05:20] <klaas> Ubuntu really rocks.
[05:20] <jan__> what was the command to add a route again?
[05:20] <g14> jan__: For adding a gateway?
[05:21] <ivoks> jan__ and what does /sbin/ipconfig | grep "inet addr" says?
[05:21] <jan__> indeed for adding a gateway for all interfaces
[05:21] <g14> jan__: route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:21] <jan__> aah thanks :)
[05:21] <ivoks> i'm tierd
[05:21] <g14> jan__: np
[05:21] <ivoks> going to shopping :)
[05:21] <ivoks> evic?
[05:21] <goofrider> ivoks, consumer whore :)
[05:22] <zoo> hello
[05:22] <ivoks> Soggojevic ?
[05:22] <zoo> is there an apt-get.org for ubuntu?
[05:22] <ivoks> Soggojevic any relations to balkans? :)
[05:22] <ivoks> zoo yes
[05:22] <goofrider> zoo, that'd be apt-get.org  :)
[05:22] <ivoks> zoo apt-get.org
[05:22] <zoo> ivoks: but there are no ubuntu repositories listed
[05:23] <pppoe_dude> ok, i'm hving a prob which i had in the past.
[05:23] <ivoks> zoo that's a problem?
[05:23] <jan__> ivoks: command not found
[05:23] <goofrider> zoo, Debian packages works fine in Ubuntu usually
[05:23] <pppoe_dude> donk know how to solve it.
[05:23] <Soggojevic> ivoks: not at all, just some funny name I made up
[05:23] <ivoks> jan__ sorry... /sbin/ifconfig
[05:23] <ivoks> Soggojevic ok :)
[05:23] <zoo> but do they allow me to submit my ubuntu repository to apt-get.org??
[05:23] <jan__> np :)
[05:23] <goofrider> zoo, but be careful about thrid party unofficial repos and debian repos in general
[05:23] <pppoe_dude> ubuntu will boot and freeze unless i keep pressing some keyboard buttons so it can detect the keyboard.
[05:23] <pppoe_dude> if i dont press anything, it would freeze
[05:24] <ogi_> goofrider,  I've got multiverse in "sources.list"
[05:24] <goofrider> pppoe_dude, at what stage at the boot process?
[05:24] <pppoe_dude> goofrider; I CAN REACH UPTO THE SPLASH SCREEN
[05:24] <pppoe_dude> sorry
[05:24] <goofrider> pppoe_dude, splash screen?
[05:24] <zoo> I have set up my own unofficial ubuntu repository and want to submit it to apt-get.org but I am not sure if they want to list it, because it is not for debian itself.
[05:25] <jan__> it says this:  inet addr: <IP_ADDRESS>, bcast: <IP_ADDRESS>, mask: <IP_ADDRESS>.... as far as i know exactly what it should be
[05:25] <pppoe_dude> upto the splash screen. but the detection i think happens at the 'hotplug' process
[05:25] <goofrider> zoo, add to the wiki
[05:25] <pppoe_dude> goofrider, gnome splash screen
[05:25] <ivoks> jan__ your router sucks...
[05:25] <pppoe_dude> or login screen sorry
[05:25] <zoo> goofrider: only to the wiki?
[05:25] <ivoks> jan__ do you have ADSL modem?
[05:25] <pppoe_dude> the same was happening during the setup
[05:25] <goofrider> pppoe_dude, oh the gdm login screen? or AFTER the lgin screen?
[05:25] <jan__> ivoks: yeah i do :)
[05:26] <ivoks> jan__ and his MTR and MTU are?
[05:26] <pppoe_dude> goofrider, at the login screen
[05:26] <ivoks> jan__ if they are 1500, that's your problem
[05:26] <zkruw> anyone here able to convert a 2.6.11 module so it work on a 2.6.10 kernel?
[05:26] <pppoe_dude> goofrider, but also during the setup, i wouldn
[05:26] <goofrider> ogi_, `sudo apt-get install rar-non-free`
[05:26] <pppoe_dude> nt be able to type anything unless i pressed some buttons bfore
[05:26] <jan__> 1500 is pretty normal...set em to 1492 then?
[05:26] <ivoks> yes, 1492
[05:26] <ogi_> goofrider,  exactly
[05:26] <ivoks> 1500 isn't normal on ADSL
[05:26] <ivoks> even better to make it 1412
[05:27] <goofrider> pppoe_dude, u need a new kbd??  LOL  it's not USB is it?
[05:27] <jan__> ill check the setting
[05:27] <pppoe_dude> its a laptop kyboard
[05:27] <pppoe_dude> im on my laptop
[05:27] <mike_> Morning, folks.
[05:27] <dabaSlon_slp> morning
[05:28] <pppoe_dude> seems as if i need to shw linux that the kayboard is there
[05:28] <ogi_> "couldn't find package rar-non-free"
[05:28] <pppoe_dude> windows works fine
[05:28] <dabaSlon> pppoe_dude: whats the brand of the laptop?
[05:28] <pppoe_dude> compaq
[05:28] <ivoks> it's time to go out, buy new shooes and take some chick on coffe :)
[05:28] <pppoe_dude> presario r4000
[05:28] <goofrider> pppoe_dude, but your kbd is fine if u login in from a text console?? (Ctrl-Alt-F1 @ the GDM login screen)
[05:28] <dabaSlon> to coffee, have fun ivoks.
[05:28] <jan__> ive set it to 1492 to test it
[05:29] <dabaSlon> na kavu:)
[05:29] <mrproper> How can I tell what glibc version I'm using?
[05:29] <pppoe_dude> goofrider, i can't use the keyboard if i don't press stuff during boot
[05:29] <pppoe_dude> if i leave the computer to boot by itself it would freeze
[05:29] <mike_> I'm trying to get a 40-bit wireless key working with my integrated Broadcom wireless card on my hp zd8080us laptop running Breezy.  Any ideas?
[05:29] <goofrider> that's weird.... any idea guys?
[05:29] <mrproper> mike_, breezy is out?
[05:30] <ivoks> mike_ check out ndiswrapper
[05:30] <mike_> I've been on Breezy for at least a couple weeks.  Hoary was stale for a couple weeks before that.
[05:30] <zkruw> is it possible to recompile a 2.6.11 module so i can get it to work on a 2.6.10 kernel?
[05:30] <dabaSlon> pppoe_dude: did you check out this page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsCompaq , not that it has your model.
[05:30] <ivoks> mike_ broadcom didn't release wifi dirvers for linux
[05:30] <Soggojevic> I'm really impressed by ubunto - the first distro taht works just out of the box with my laptop
[05:30] <jan__> no effect
[05:30] <mike_> ivoks, I'm using ndiswireless
[05:30] <mike_> And the bcmwl5.sys and .inf files.
[05:30] <goofrider> zkruw, y would u even have 2.6.11 module binaries to begin with?
[05:30] <ivoks> jan__ leave MTU on 1492, that is default value for pppoe
[05:31] <pppoe_dude> no mine isnt there...
[05:31] <jan__> im using ppp0a :)
[05:31] <dabaSlon> I hate dreams like the one I just had...
[05:31] <pppoe_dude> but it should work, fedora works fine
[05:31] <darkaudit> number of discs to reinstall XP: 10 and counting... # of discs to reinstall Ubuntu: 1 :)
[05:31] <ivoks> jan__ ah...
[05:31] <ivoks> well... bye
[05:31] <dabaSlon> bye
[05:31] <mike_> I can get it to run just fine with my 128-bit key at home, but the jackasses at work are insisting on a 40-bit key.
[05:31] <zkruw> goofrider, need the module for the sata promise card isnt supported on 2.6.10
[05:31] <jan__> ill keep looking :)
[05:32] <jan__> in the meantime. thanks for all the assistance, highly appreciated
[05:32] <pppoe_dude> Fedora was working fine but display wouldnt work right... so i switched to ubuntu, display woks great but theres this new prob
[05:32] <goofrider> zkruw, if the module isn't supported on 2.6.10, recompiling on 2.6.10 won't help.  :P
[05:33] <goofrider> zkruw, just install kernel 2.6.11 from breezy if u feel being experimental (if it's in brezzy that is)
[05:33] <pppoe_dude> ok im gonna try some stuff... brb
[05:33] <zkruw> goofrider,  im booted with that kernel right now
[05:33] <zkruw> but my gfx card isnt supported now
[05:33] <clarki> Open Question: Is it difficult to enable Ubuntu to accept a remote SSH or preferably graphical remote (XClient ?) connection.?
[05:33] <dabaSlon> jan, hah,...what was his issue...cant open websites by domain in a browser?
[05:34] <dabaSlon> did he clear out his cache??
[05:34] <dabaSlon> thats the only thing it can be,..except parental controls or some weoird firewall.
[05:34] <zkruw> goofrider,  because there isnt any restricted packages for the 2.6.11 kerne
[05:34] <zkruw> l
[05:35] <goofrider> mike_, 40-bit or 128-bit, WEP is suck horribly insecure
[05:35] <goofrider> zkruw, ah... that sux
[05:35] <zoo> goofrider: where shall i add that to the wiki?
[05:35] <goofrider> zoo whereever, it's a wiki  :)  look for an existing third-party repo list
[05:36] <mike_> goofrider, I know that.  But the net.admin is a Windows guy who is insisting that a 40-bit key is exactly the same as a 64-bit key.
[05:36] <jacquesmerde> another question: when i start a new app it seems to take a long time to load. (everything else seems perfectly speedy though). when i open a new app while keeping an eye on system resources, ram swap memory barely budge, CPU usage oscillates, but never hits 100%, whats my bottleneck here?
[05:36] <goofrider> mike_, it doesn't matter even if it's a 1024-bit key, WEP is crap
[05:37] <mike_> goofrider, I know that.
[05:37] <mike_> goofrider, I'm not the network admin, and I don't control it.
[05:37] <goofrider> mike_, well sounds like u should have his job  ;)
[05:37] <dabaSlon> zoo: are you putting a list of 3rd party repositories??
[05:37] <mike_> goofrider, The fact is, the BOFH here is completely opposed to changing the keylength just for me (I'm the only Linux user in the company)
[05:37] <goofrider> jacquesmerde, disk IO???
[05:37] <mike_> goofrider, die.  ;-)  I don't want his job.
[05:38] <g14> mike_: Do the admin a favor
[05:38] <zoo> dabaSlon: no, but i want to find a list, so that I can add my repository to it
[05:38] <dabaSlon> ah...
[05:38] <g14> mike_: Send him to www.whoppix.net, tell him to click on demos, and then on the WEP Attack
[05:38] <jacquesmerde> goofrider, whats disk IO?
[05:38] <g14> mike_: That alone convinced several guys I know to switch to WPA
[05:38] <dabaSlon> the list should be right where it says how to add repositories in the wiki, or at least linked on that page.
[05:38] <g14> input / output
[05:39] <goofrider> jacquesmerde, the data transfer b/w yout hard drive and your motherboard/cpu. it could be the bottleneck
[05:39] <mike_> g14, This is the same guy who thinks that there's no difference between a 40-bit key and a 64-bit key.
[05:40] <g14> mike_: Well do this for him. Get wireless working on a linux laptop. Then show him kismet and weplab
[05:40] <goofrider> zoo,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:40] <Amaranth> mike_: There is no difference, except that one is several orders of magnitude more difficult to brute force. :)
[05:40] <g14> mike_: A 40 bit key would crack in under a minute so you could do it in front of him
[05:40] <Amaranth> mike_: btw, I'm just trying to be funny, I'm not really a moron. :D
[05:40] <mike_> g14, It is working...On my network at home, where I at least have a 128-bit key (and nothing that needs to be secure.)  Just not on the network here at work.
[05:40] <goofrider> mike_, but he's right though, there's no difference  :)
[05:41] <goofrider> mike_, a 64-bit key can still be cracked in a min  hahaha
[05:41] <g14> mike_: Watch the WEP cracking demo video on www.whoppix.net. Then show him how it works
[05:41] <mike_> goofrider, Yes, but at least I can work with it.
[05:41] <jacquesmerde> goofrider, i was thinking of the speed of the harddisk itself, are you talking about something different?
[05:41] <g14> mike_: I can crack most 128bit wep keys in under an hour normally
[05:41] <goofrider> jacquesmerde, the transfer speed
[05:42] <goofrider> jacquesmerde, maybe DMA isn't enabled (it should be enabled by default for all internal IDE disk though)
[05:42] <jacquesmerde> its a PIII with 128meg RAM, you think the transfer speed could be it? how would i replace/upgrade it?
[05:42] <g14> WEP = Without Encrypted Protection
[05:42] <klaus^^^> need help with generic dma drivers
[05:42] <klaus^^^> where to get drivers for asus p4 p800 x series
[05:43] <goofrider> jacquesmerde, or maybe u'r downgrade to ATA 33 because u didn't use a 80-wire IDE cable  :P
[05:43] <ogi_> goofrider,  it seems apt-get skips multiverse complitely or something
[05:43] <klaus^^^> Seveas,
[05:43] <goofrider> ogi_, did u do an apt-get update?
[05:43] <g14> klaus^^^: Run hdparm -v /dev/hdx where x is the drive
[05:43] <jacquesmerde> goofrider, whats DMA?
[05:43] <ogi_> goofrider, yes
[05:43] <ogi_> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:43] <ogi_> I did like that
[05:43] <goofrider> klaus^^^, DMA driver **is** generic. I thought. It should Jest Worsk (tm)
[05:44] <ogi_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[05:44] <ogi_> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[05:44] <ogi_> so those are the lines I added
[05:44] <goofrider> ogi_, ubuntuguide is unoffical. It's maintained by one person
[05:44] <mike_> OK, so anyway...Is there any way to get a 40-bit key working on my Broadcom card?  Discussions of the "security" of WEP aside...
[05:44] <g14> DMA is a feature. Direct Memory Access. It allows drives like cdroms or harddrives to put data into memory without accessing the processor. It speeds up file transfers alot
[05:44] <dabaSlon> ogi, what are you getting?
[05:44] <goofrider> ogi_, forgot his nick, he's in here sometimes. some dude from Malaysia. u can ask him to add your repo if u find him
[05:45] <goofrider> ogi_, oops I though u were zoo. n/m
[05:45] <dabaSlon> you apt-get update fine, ogi??
[05:45] <klaus^^^> root@clausme:/home/clausme # hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[05:45] <klaus^^^> /dev/hda:
[05:45] <klaus^^^>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[05:45] <klaus^^^>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[05:45] <klaus^^^>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[05:45] <klaus^^^> goofrider,
[05:45] <klaus^^^> look
[05:45] <klaus^^^> g14, look
[05:45] <g14> klaus^^^: Is that an older drive?
[05:46] <goofrider> klaus^^^, sudo baby sudo
[05:46] <klaus^^^> no an 160 Gb segate
[05:46] <darkaudit> klaus^^^: or are you running a SATA drive as the primary hdd?
[05:46] <klaus^^^> i am root
[05:46] <goofrider> klaus^^^, oh u were root anyways
[05:46] <g14> goofrider: Look at the prompt, he is root
[05:46] <ogi_> dabaSlon,  well when i apt-get update it doesn't list multiverse at all
[05:46] <phend> anyone know where i should look to get bluetooth working on my lappy? what is the module name?
[05:46] <klaus^^^> yes i am runing
[05:46] <phend> i'm a bit stuck :)
[05:46] <klaus^^^> a sata asa primary dive
[05:46] <darkaudit> ogi_: is multiverse enabled in your sources.list?
[05:46] <goofrider> g14 shut up i saw it i saw it  &*^(^
[05:46] <dabaSlon> ok, and you wnat it to, right...paste your sources.list to http://pastebin.com
[05:47] <goofrider> klaus^^^, SATA has issues in Hoary I heard
[05:47] <dabaSlon> ogi, hurry up too, pls.
[05:47] <klaus^^^> the transfer rate si jst 3Mb/s
[05:47] <darkaudit> klaus^^^: that's it... did the same to me... had a SATA drive as the only hdd... couldn't set hdparm on anything
[05:47] <klaus^^^> ok i don;t whant to enable dma
[05:47] <goofrider> klaus^^^, and aren't u supposed to use sdparam for STATA drvies?
[05:47] <klaus^^^> on msata
[05:47] <klaus^^^> i whant to enable dma on the ata drive
[05:47] <g14> klaus^^^: lsmod | grep sata
[05:47] <g14> **sudo lsmod | grep sata
[05:48] <klaus^^^> root@clausme:/home/clausme # sdparam
[05:48] <klaus^^^> bash: sdparam: command not found
[05:48] <klaus^^^> g14 that comand
[05:48] <darkaudit> goofrider: sdparm? search synaptic for 'parm' only got me hdparm (all repos enabled :))
[05:48] <dabaSlon> ogi_: you gonna do it at all. O am about to leave
[05:49] <klaus^^^> is't doing enythinng
[05:49] <goofrider> darkaudit, klaus^^^, it's just something I overheard
[05:49] <ogi_> dabaSlon,  wait a sec
[05:49] <dabaSlon> k, pls hurry
[05:49] <ogi_> dabaSlon, http://pastebin.com/285153
[05:49] <klaus^^^> there si any way to activate the dma
[05:49] <klaus^^^> ?
[05:49] <dabaSlon> tanks, sed
[05:49] <g14> http://sg.torque.net/sg/sdparm.html that is for scsi
[05:49] <dabaSlon> sec
[05:49] <goofrider> I could be tripping though
[05:50] <goofrider> g14, SATA is treated as SCSI though, right?
[05:50] <karljp> also: ignore those people talking about 40 vs 64 bit for wep
[05:50] <karljp> in general a 64 kit is better than a 40bit
[05:50] <g14> goofrider: It's worth a try
[05:50] <karljp> but not in the wep world
[05:50] <PhantomFreak> I can't seem to connect to the Hoary extras repository, any ideas!
[05:50] <preglow> any plans to compile a newer freetype? the one currently in hoary renders most fonts horribly
[05:50] <g14> karljp: It is fact that 40 bit or 64 bit WEP can be cracked in a few minutes
[05:50] <Seveas> ignore WEP
[05:50] <Seveas> use WPA
[05:50] <g14> WPA
[05:50] <klaus^^^> yes
[05:50] <darkaudit> preglow: gonna have to wait for Breezy or backports
[05:50] <g14> yes
[05:50] <klaus^^^> is loked as scsi
[05:51] <preglow> ghah
[05:51] <preglow> i'll compile my own, then
[05:51] <dabaSlon> k, ogi, klooks god, paste the output of your update
[05:51] <goofrider> most serial mode HDD interfaces are emulated using the SCSI layer, like SATA, USB and Fiewire, that's what I understand
[05:51] <g14> goofrider: That is correct
[05:51] <dabaSlon> to pastebin, again, please.
[05:51] <klaus^^^> how do i get the sdparam
[05:51] <ogi_> sec
[05:51] <dabaSlon> k
[05:51] <g14> later, going to work
[05:51] <karljp> gl4: I'm not commenting on security of wep, just that 40 bit wep is 64 bit wep.
[05:51] <karljp> it's just a name.  the extra bits are fixed.
[05:52] <goofrider> klaus^^^, darkaudit did a apt-cache search sdparam and he got nothing
[05:52] <klaus^^^> me to
[05:52] <goofrider> `apt-cache search scsi`???
[05:52] <ogi_> dabaSlon, http://pastebin.com/285157
[05:52] <dabaSlon> thanks
[05:52] <karljp> http://support.intel.com/support/wireless/wlan/sb/cs-009368.htm
[05:53] <karljp> don't think they are different :)
[05:53] <goofrider> sg-utils - utilities for working with generic SCSI devices
[05:53] <goofrider> sg3-utils - Utilities for working with generic SCSI devices
[05:53] <dabaSlon> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Packages Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Sources
[05:53] <dabaSlon> whzats niot there???
[05:53] <klaus^^^> found that to
[05:53] <dabaSlon> ogi_: 3, and 4...
[05:53] <dabaSlon> anyhow, ogi, do you have an issue??
[05:54] <goofrider> dabaSlon, his SATA doesn't support DMA
[05:54] <dabaSlon> ogi's too?
[05:54] <klaus^^^> ok
[05:54] <ogi_> dabaSlon,  I need rar none free
[05:54] <dabaSlon> well, his multiverese is there.
[05:54] <klaus^^^> now
[05:54] <klaus^^^> i understand
[05:54] <darkaudit> /dev/sda:  Timing cached reads:   860 MB in  2.00 seconds = 428.99 MB/sec
[05:54] <dabaSlon> ogi, what arch are you on?
[05:54] <muszek> hello
[05:54] <klaus^^^> that with sata may be a problem
[05:54] <darkaudit> and Timing buffered disk reads:   32 MB in  3.04 seconds =  10.51 MB/sec
[05:54] <karljp> what are you using to test with?
[05:55] <klaus^^^> but why i can't activate dma on my ata drive
[05:55] <darkaudit> those #s good, bad, or ugly?
[05:55] <dabaSlon> yo, muszek
[05:55] <ogi_> dabaSlon,  archieve manager :)
[05:55] <dabaSlon> what I mean is what architecture are you on?
[05:55] <ogi_> aah :D
[05:55] <muszek> during installation, ubuntu detected my 2 ethernet cards.  after installation there's only modem in administration --> networking.  somebody help please... can't find a solution.
[05:55] <ogi_> goes over my tiny head
[05:56] <karljp> darkaudit, what are you using to get these numbers?
[05:56] <klaus^^^> Setting up scsitools (0.8-1) ...
[05:56] <dabaSlon> no rar-non-free package here either,.
[05:56] <klaus^^^> how do i run it now
[05:56] <karljp> unrar-nonfree
[05:56] <darkaudit> karljp: hdparm -Tt
[05:56] <karljp> in multiverse
[05:56] <goofrider> oops
[05:56] <goofrider> it's unrar-nonfree
[05:57] <dabaSlon> ok, ogi_, sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[05:57] <ogi_> karljp,  thanks
[05:57] <muszek> anyone? please... it also smashed my fedora's grub and I'm dead-alike right now (can't reinstall grub for some reason)
[05:57] <dabaSlon> bye
[05:57] <ogi_> and thanks dabaSlon
[05:57] <muszek> but the networking problem is what I care about now...
[05:57] <dabaSlon> muszek what both wired??
[05:57] <klaus^^^> /dev/hda:
[05:57] <klaus^^^>  Timing cached reads:   2492 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1244.94 MB/sec
[05:57] <klaus^^^>  Timing buffered disk reads:   10 MB in  3.13 seconds =   3.19 MB/sec
[05:57] <muszek> one is wired
[05:57] <ogi_> cause somebody told me to get rar-non-free
[05:57] <dabaSlon> other wireless?
[05:57] <dabaSlon> welcvome, ogi
[05:58] <darkaudit> ogi_: try unrar-nonfree
[05:58] <dabaSlon> k,  I gotta go be bakc in 10 or so.
[05:58] <ogi_> darkaudit,  did it
[05:58] <muszek> oh... both are "regular, wired", but only one is plugged
[05:58] <darkaudit> 'k
[05:58] <goofrider> ogi_, i made a mistake, it's unrar-nonfree
[05:58] <klaus^^^> hello
[05:58] <klaus^^^> solution to my problem
[05:58] <klaus^^^> activating dma
[05:58] <ogi_> goofrider,  yeah..no problem
[05:59] <m4x> is a vnc server available for ubuntu?
[05:59] <goofrider> m4x it should be installed by default
[05:59] <m4x> goofrider, what is it called?
[05:59] <darkaudit> klaus^^^: I fixed it on my box by adding a regular IDE hard drive
[05:59] <goofrider> m4x, System->Prefence-> remote Desktop
[05:59] <klaus^^^> man
[05:59] <m4x> goofrider, thank you sir
[06:00] <klaus^^^> i have two drives right now
[06:00] <goofrider> klaus^^^, I can't find sdparam anyqhere
[06:00] <klaus^^^> i am tring to copy from ata drive to sata drive
[06:00] <klaus^^^> i have linux on my sata drive
[06:00] <goofrider> tried packages.ubuntu.com as well
[06:00] <klaus^^^> http://sg.torque.net/sg/sdparm.html
[06:00] <goofrider> klaus^^^, so u have a regular IDE drive in your system already.....
[06:01] <klaus^^^> yes
[06:01] <klaus^^^> i am tring to copy from it
[06:01] <klaus^^^> ubuntu is on my s-ata drive
[06:01] <karljp> ou are probaly attempting to use hdparm on a SATA or some other bizarre drive. hdparm currently has very limited support for SATA drives however these drives are generally setup automagicly to use most of the more decent settings.
[06:01] <karljp> so your hdparm -Tt works, but gives you very low results?
[06:02] <karljp> and you want to enable dma? is that what I've understood so far?
[06:02] <klaus^^^> yes
[06:02] <klaus^^^> i have 60 Gigs to copy
[06:02] <klaus^^^> and i have to whait 4 hours
[06:02] <klaus^^^> is a lot of time
[06:03] <we2by> lmao
[06:03] <karljp> so what results do yo uget with hdparm -Tt /dev/satadevice ?
[06:03] <karljp> and are you running the stock kernel?
[06:03] <klaus^^^> yes
[06:03] <dabaSlon> muszek: k, Im back, you still there?
[06:04] <klaus^^^> root@clausme:/home/clausme #  hdparm -Tt /dev/sda
[06:04] <klaus^^^> /dev/sda:
[06:04] <klaus^^^>  Timing cached reads:   484 MB in  3.83 seconds = 126.26 MB/sec
[06:04] <klaus^^^>  Timing buffered disk reads:   18 MB in  3.15 seconds =   5.71 MB/sec
[06:04] <klaus^^^> root@clausme:/home/clausme #
[06:04] <klaus^^^> root@clausme:/home/clausme #  hdparm -Tt /dev/hda
[06:04] <klaus^^^> /dev/hda:
[06:04] <klaus^^^>  Timing cached reads:   468 MB in  3.39 seconds = 138.07 MB/sec
[06:04] <klaus^^^>  Timing buffered disk reads:    6 MB in  4.07 seconds =   1.47 MB/sec
[06:04] <klaus^^^> root@clausme:/home/clausme #
[06:04] <klaus^^^> look
[06:04] <jasoncohen> is the "universe" repository a snapshot of debian testing at the time of ubuntu's release?
[06:05] <klaus^^^> now i am tring
[06:05] <karljp> you can just paste the buffered bit each time
[06:05] <karljp> not the whole four lines please
[06:05] <cyphase> hey everyone
[06:05] <klaus^^^> k
[06:05] <klaus^^^> now what i do
[06:05] <karljp> can you set dma on the hda?
[06:05] <klaus^^^> is transfering at 2Mb/s
[06:05] <klaus^^^> no
[06:05] <cyphase> can someone point me toward a good tutroial on setting up an ubuntu server?
[06:05] <dabaSlon> klaus^^^: we understand that to you at this time, your issue is main agenda...but, please let us type something too, and, for legibility, use pastebin.com to paste
[06:05] <karljp> or is it just the sda that's busted
[06:05] <goofrider> jasoncohen, main is a snapshot of Debian Sid
[06:05] <klaus^^^> that is the problem and i don't know why
[06:05] <dabaSlon> cyphase: what is an ubuntu server?
[06:05] <karljp> what machinen are you on?
[06:06] <goofrider> jasoncohen, unverise, I don't know.
[06:06] <dabaSlon> jason, I dont know, and I dont think it is...
[06:06] <we2by> do we need a second #ubuntu channel?
[06:06] <we2by> ;)
[06:06] <jasoncohen> does universe have all packages included in debian sid?
[06:06] <dabaSlon> jasoncohen: #ubuntu-motu is where you can ask, they maintain that...
[06:06] <jasoncohen> ok
[06:06] <karljp> jasen: as of rightnow, no.
[06:06] <cyphase> dabaSlon, haha
[06:06] <goofrider> jasoncohen, universe is maintained by the community and probably doesn't follow the same release cycle
[06:06] <dabaSlon> dont bother them too much, though, since they dont like being bothered.
[06:06] <klaus^^^> any ideeas
[06:06] <klaus^^^> ?
[06:07] <goofrider> but yeah, ask them
[06:07] <dabaSlon> cyphase: did you have an answer?
[06:07] <jasoncohen> goofrider, is there a comprehensive package list?
[06:07] <goofrider> jasoncohen, packages.ubuntu.com
[06:07] <cyphase> dabaSlon, i assume you mean you think ubuntu isn't a good server distro?
[06:08] <dabaSlon> no, I mean, ther is no ubutnu server, as such.
[06:08] <jasoncohen> goofrider, is ubuntu more or less up to date than debian testing? i know it has kde 3.4 and gnome 2.10 which testing will have when sarge releases but only security/bugfixes are applied right?
[06:08] <goofrider> jasoncohen, universe doesn't have everything Sid has
[06:08] <dabaSlon> there are server programs on ubuntu.
[06:08] <goofrider> jasoncohen, Ubuntu is more up-to-date then testing
[06:08] <dabaSlon> Several in fact, what kind of server do you want, which port??
[06:08] <dabaSlon> hah
[06:08] <dabaSlon> which port...
[06:08] <klaus^^^> any help on my problem yet
[06:08] <klaus^^^> ?
[06:08] <KarlosII> when running xchat as user and I try to save files using xchat dcc feature I get permission denied even though it's point to my user home dir?
[06:08] <cyphase> dabaSlon, yes, i know
[06:08] <jasoncohen> goofrider, how is it "stable" if it's a snapshot from testing?
[06:08] <jasoncohen> *sorry, from unstable
[06:09] <karljp> it's not.
[06:09] <cyphase> dabaSlon, stop being a smart-ass
[06:09] <cyphase> ;)
[06:09] <karljp> it just generally is
[06:09] <karljp> just like sid generally is
[06:09] <goofrider> jasoncohen, by the time Sarg eis released with'll have Gnome 4.10 and KDE 6..6
[06:09] <karljp> they clean up a bit here and there.
[06:09] <karljp> but for instance imgseek is just busted oturight
[06:09] <klaus^^^> it may influence if the ata drive is the master one
[06:09] <goofrider> jasoncohen, it's a snapshot from Sid
[06:09] <klaus^^^> and the s-ata si the slave oane
[06:09] <dabaSlon> cyphase: I asm asking you a simple question, what srver do you want?
[06:09] <klaus^^^> and i runing ubuntu on my sata
[06:09] <dabaSlon> Ill tell you how to get it to:)
[06:09] <cyphase> dabaSlon, ohh, lol, i c
[06:09] <jasoncohen> goofrider, um, sarge is being released in two weeks or so
[06:10] <goofrider> jasoncohen, Debian's requirement is VERY DIFFERENT from us
[06:10] <cyphase> dabaSlon, a general server. web server, mail server, ftp server
[06:10] <goofrider> jasoncohen, they have to compile on 11 architetures, we only have 3
[06:10] <dabaSlon> what is a general server?
[06:10] <jasoncohen> goofrider, true- but i believe it'll be only 4 for the next release
[06:11] <cyphase> dabaSlon, fine, if you want to be picky..
[06:11] <goofrider> jasoncohen, and we only have to get all of main and restricted working. Debian has to get main + contrib + etc. all working on 11 archs
[06:11] <karljp> that's the big debate in debian land right now :)
[06:11] <dabaSlon> I am not beign, I just dont know what it is...
[06:11] <jasoncohen> goofrider, yeah- well, that's why debian is stable, lol
[06:11] <dabaSlon> I use vsftpd, although I used proftpd, then also, sudo apt-get install apache , or sudo apt-get install apache2 , will install apache web server.
[06:11] <goofrider> jasoncohen, and that's why they have unmanageable release cycles
[06:11] <goofrider> :P
[06:12] <dabaSlon> sudo apt-get install openssh-server should install ssh.
[06:12] <dabaSlon> cyphase: remote login=general server?
[06:12] <jasoncohen> goofrider, so? the "stable" release is for mission critical servers
[06:12] <jasoncohen> everyone else uses testing or unstable
[06:12] <cyphase> i want to set up a web server, an ftp server, and a mail server on the same computer
[06:12] <goofrider> do u have to install an ftp server? sftp over ssh maybe all u need (and much muhc MUCH more secure)
[06:12] <Kartagis> hello
[06:12] <cyphase> dabaSlon, a web server, ftp server, mail server, and name server
[06:12] <cyphase> lol
[06:12] <goofrider> jasoncohen, then DON'T compare Ubuntu to Debian stable
[06:13] <jasoncohen> goofrider, does universe upgrade? universe has gaim 1.1.4. I have gaim 1.30 (2 releases ahead)
[06:13] <henkie_> hello.... is it possible to mount my ntfs disk???
[06:13] <klaus^^^> dma problem here
[06:13] <klaus^^^> any help yet
[06:13] <Kartagis> can you help me with the application 'webcam'?
[06:13] <Seveas> cyphase, apache2, vsftpd, courier, bind9
[06:13] <Seveas> :)
[06:13] <Kartagis> henkie_: yes
[06:13] <cyphase> yes yes, i know
[06:13] <jasoncohen> goofrider, i'm not- i was comparing it with testing/unstable
[06:13] <dabaSlon> sounds goo, seveas, thanks.
[06:13] <henkie_> kartagis.. can you explain me how?? :)
[06:13] <dabaSlon> :)
[06:13] <jasoncohen> goofrider, i was only making the point that their release cycle is what it is because stable isn't meant for desktop usage.
[06:13] <goofrider> jasoncohen, actually I think universe gets frozen after release as well, along with main. I haven't seen a new package in universe since release
[06:13] <dabaSlon> good even.
[06:13] <Kartagis> henkie_: just use the good ol' mount command
[06:14] <dabaSlon> cyphase, if you type this in a terminal.
[06:14] <Seveas> goofrider, indeed, all is frozen
[06:14] <henkie_> ok... and what is the good command?? :) im a noob at linux :p
[06:14] <Seveas> henkie_, man mount
[06:14] <goofrider> jasoncohen, but neither testing and unstable is as stable as Ubuntu release
[06:14] <Kartagis> mount -t ntfs /dev/hdax /mnt/windows or something like that
[06:14] <Kartagis> x may vary
[06:14] <dabaSlon> sudo apt-get install apache2 && sudo apt-get install vsftpd && sudo apt-get install courier && sudo apt-get install bind9
[06:14] <cyphase> Sevas, dabaSlon, i need a tutorial that can help me set everything up, such as BIND configuration, quotas for the ftp server, etc etc
[06:14] <jasoncohen> goofrider, ok, so ubuntu is more up to date when released on major packages (KDE & Gnome) but it doesn't get updates like testing/unstable gets
[06:14] <dabaSlon> you will have all four installed, maybe,.
[06:14] <cyphase> dabaSlon, i know what i need installed
[06:14] <Seveas> Kartagis, and dont forget the dmask/fmask options :)
[06:14] <henkie_> ok
[06:14] <henkie_> :)
[06:15] <henkie_> i will try
[06:15] <cyphase> dabaSlon, and i can do the basic stuff
[06:15] <dabaSlon> hah, well, read the fine lmanuals.
[06:15] <goofrider> jasoncohen, once it's released, it's frozen, there's secuirty updates just like Debian stable
[06:15] <Kartagis> k
[06:15] <jasoncohen> goofrider, i highly doubt that. Ubuntu is taking a snapshot of unstable. Testing for debian must be testing for 2-10 days + have no major bugs
[06:15] <Kartagis> can you help me with the application 'webcam'?
[06:15] <goofrider> jasoncohen, think Debian stable with a desktop focus and a 6 month release cycle
[06:15] <jasoncohen> testing is actually more stable than almost any other distro
[06:15] <damn> how do you wirite to ntfs. i heard it can be done but it not safe
[06:16] <goofrider> jasoncohen, we take a snapshot of Sid and spend 6 months to fix everything
[06:16] <Seveas> damn, you cannot do it without expensive commercial tools
[06:16] <damn> like what
[06:16] <jasoncohen> goofrider, yeah- i wish testing got security updates
[06:16] <Seveas> paragon ntfsmount oslt
[06:16] <goofrider> jasoncohen, Sarge existed for like 3 years, it better be more stable than other distros :P
[06:17] <Kartagis> damn: last I heard, you can only overwrite a file with the same name and size
[06:17] <Seveas> Kartagis, true
[06:17] <Kartagis> that sux
[06:17] <Seveas> but that's pretty useless :)
[06:17] <Kartagis> and that
[06:17] <karim> error : failed to initialize HAL !
[06:17] <jasoncohen> goofrider, i'm looking through the package list and i'm not seeing security updates. firefox is at 1.02 (i have 1.0.4- a critical update), gaim is at 1.1.4 (i have 1.3), openvpn at 1.9rc16 (i have 2.0 stable) etc.
[06:17] <Kartagis> sux & pretty useless
[06:17] <gregg_> hi people
[06:17] <karim> when I enter the session I got this error
[06:17] <goofrider> jasoncohen, I'm not dissing Debian, I'm just saying they're different goals with different philosophies, you can't apply one to the other
[06:17] <jasoncohen> and firefox is a main package
[06:18] <karim> Kartagis, apt-cache show sux
[06:18] <goofrider> jasoncohen, all the sec fixes from 1.0.4 is backported to 1.0.2
[06:18] <jasoncohen> i understand that, but i think it's a mistake to compare debian stable and ubuntu
[06:18] <jasoncohen> brb
[06:18] <karim> hi
[06:18] <damn> damn it micro$oft will be coming out with winFS. that is going to make it worse
[06:18] <Kartagis> karim: huh?
[06:18] <goofrider> jasoncohen, u are the one who's making the comparision
[06:18] <hawke> damn: yeah, in like 10 years.
[06:19] <gangalee> the option to change window behavior to 'open in same window' is found where in gconf editor?
[06:19] <jasoncohen> goofrider, backported? Weren't 1.0.3 and 1.0.4 only security updates?
[06:19] <karim> should there be a fstab line for the cdrom or is handled by pmount in /media ?
[06:19] <jasoncohen> i didn't realize anything else was changed
[06:19] <jamie_> I can't seem to get ethernet working on a laptop which uses a broadcom chipset. i tried to install the driver but 'make' failed. it said "linux kernel source tree not found" . any ideas ?
[06:19] <Kartagis> karim: there should
[06:19] <karim> so I have a problem with HAL
[06:19] <hawke> jamie_: you'll need the linux kernel source tree.
[06:20] <karim> on ubuntu hoary powerpc
[06:20] <karim> error : failed to initialize HAL !
[06:20] <Flav> sorry, Dave
[06:20] <jamie_> hawke: where would i get that and how would i install it ?
[06:20] <goofrider> jasoncohen, that's what I understand as well, and I was told what I told u. as the core team if u want
[06:20] <goofrider> ask**
[06:20] <jasoncohen> goofrider, heh, ok
[06:20] <jasoncohen> thanks for the info
[06:21] <goofrider> I'm just a luser
[06:21] <karim> karim, I don't have a /cdrom folder
[06:21] <Xgates> ahhhh
[06:21] <hawke> jamie_: linux-source-versionnumber
[06:21] <Xgates> :p
[06:21] <jasoncohen> goofrider, i like the fact that ubuntu has KDE 3.4. I just ubuntu used debian's repositories as the "universe" component doesn't change. There have already been a number of updates already in debian testing missing from universe
[06:21] <goofrider> jasoncohen, so what about Debian downsizing?
[06:21] <Xgates> hey is Gamin needed in Ubuntu, what is it being used for?
[06:21] <gangalee> +v
[06:22] <jasoncohen> goofrider, in order to have a 12-18 month release cycle debian will only be officially releasing in 4 archs
[06:22] <Xgates> I need to kill some stuff in this box, Ubuntu has to much stuff going on here
[06:22] <Seveas> gamin it is, file monitoring...
[06:22] <goofrider> jasoncohen, u can import packages from Sid if u want
[06:22] <Seveas> gamin is needed*
[06:22] <jasoncohen> goofrider, they will release in others but possibly at a later time and with the support of devs on those archs
[06:22] <jasoncohen> goofrider, is that safe?
[06:22] <Seveas> jasoncohen, not really
[06:22] <Seveas> might break :)
[06:22] <Xgates> Seveas, yeah I know BUT in what way, for monitor, and will Ubuntu croak if I remove it
[06:22] <goofrider> jasoncohen, good move. Debian really should've spun off all the minor archs as a subproject along time ago
[06:23] <goofrider> jasoncohen, it's safe if u know what u'r doing. Somehow i think u can manage  :)  ujust pin your repos religiously
[06:23] <Seveas> Xgates, gnome-vfs and gnomecommander use it
[06:24] <Seveas> for things like automounting iirc
[06:24] <goofrider> jasoncohen, I wouldn't say that to a n00b, of course
[06:24] <jasoncohen> goofrider, probably, but i actually consider testing to be quite up to date. It has newest versions of openvpn, gaim, firefox, mozilla and even mythtv
[06:24] <jasoncohen> actually scratch that- i installed firefox and mozilla from unstable with no ill affects
[06:24] <goofrider> jasoncohen, i don't think u'll be stupid enough to pull glibc from Sid, for one  :)
[06:24] <Xgates> I mean man I only had Xchat open and Xine and I'm up to 500mb being used now in Gnome
[06:24] <Xgates> thats crazy
[06:25] <Xgates> I can see 300mb max but 500
[06:25] <Xgates> damm
[06:25] <karim> Kartagis, that's wrong, it's in /media now
[06:25] <Xgates> ;/
[06:25] <goofrider> jasoncohen, it's FROZEN, of course it stable  :P
[06:25] <Kartagis> karim: whatever
[06:27] <goofrider> jasoncohen, Sarge is at the end of a 3 yr release cycle.
[06:27] <jasoncohen> goofrider, yes
[06:27] <Xgates> well I need to kill off some stuff
[06:27] <goofrider> 3 butt-fucking years
[06:28] <goofrider> jasoncohen, u do realize that most Debian users who switched to Ubuntu because they got tired of waiting for Sarge, right?  :)
[06:28] <Flav> goofrider: +1
[06:28] <Xgates> ok Im not to big on acpi, so if I'm running  "acpi-support" compiled in the kernel, acpid doesn't really have to be running to take advantage of that kernel support does it?
[06:28] <Seveas> +1 here too
[06:28] <goofrider> :)
[06:28] <Xgates> I never did quite understand the dameon versus the kernel support for the mobo
[06:28] <Xgates> hmm
[06:28] <Flav> i missed the "every 6 months" of RHL
[06:29] <jasoncohen> goofrider, why were they using woody then? Debian stable and Ubuntu stable are completely different. They should have been using testing if they wanted new packages.
[06:29] <fsapo> hi all, i have 2 process crashed, and it saying: Initerruptible, and i can manage how to kill them :( any ideas?
[06:29] <Seveas> fsapo, kill -9?
[06:29] <jasoncohen> the only downside to testing is that it doesn't get quick security updates which is now changing
[06:30] <fsapo> Seveas, it isnt working
[06:30] <goofrider> Flav, isn't that's what Fedora supposed to be...? oh wait, they have a much lower QA expectations.
[06:30] <goofrider> hahahahahahahahhahaha
[06:30] <dr_willis> Hmm. I notice that the kdm login tool has a way to see the xdmcp logins allowed, but i cant find a similer feature in gdm. does one exist? or am i missing somthing obvious.
[06:30] <Seveas> FC and QA?????
[06:30] <jasoncohen> goofrider, heh, everyone hates FC
[06:30] <goofrider> no kidding
[06:30] <Seveas> FC is the suck
[06:31] <Seveas> (sorry 'bout the language)
[06:31] <goofrider> Sid is more stable than FC for crying out loud
[06:31] <gregg_> there are still some people who like FC though
[06:31] <goofrider> even Gentoo is more stable than FC
[06:31] <Flav> how many commercial distros based on Ubuntu?
[06:31] <goofrider> did I just say that?  hehe
[06:31] <gregg_> I sometimes see binary packages explicitly made for it
[06:31] <goofrider> Flav, nope yet
[06:31] <fsapo> damit i cant kill the proccess :(
[06:32] <fsapo> why is it saying Uniterruptible?
[06:32] <Flav> at some point, RH will have to consider merging their FC efforts with Ubuntu and doing RHEL based on ubuntu releases
[06:32] <goofrider> gregg_, because they still think Fedora is Red Hat
[06:32] <Flav> because if they don't, someone will
[06:32] <foxiness> fc has adv and disadv like other u can not say its total bad or not
[06:32] <jasoncohen> RHEL is quite stable
[06:32] <jasoncohen> and fedora is a test release for RHEL
[06:32] <goofrider> Flav, RH won't do that.  But having the bleeding edge stuff doesn't necessarily mean that they got them to actually work
[06:34] <foxiness> on package fc3 may has 4000 package but its i think its well know that 16000 here
[06:34] <goofrider> Flav, nope. GPL is GPL
[06:35] <Flav> goofrider: right, so if RH (or whoever) decided to make an Ubuntu-based distro, you would be their guinea pig by proxy :)
[06:35] <goofrider> Flav, if a commericial distro take Ubuntu and voilate the GPL then, we can legally stop them.
[06:35] <goofrider> Flav, no but it won't be Ubuntu. They can't shove Xen in out repo and say, install this by default
[06:36] <Flav> goofrider: there's no GPL violation going on here
[06:36] <jasoncohen> goofrider, fc3 is missing a lot of stuff from extras and core
[06:36] <goofrider> Flav they'll have their own distro with their own guinea pigs, away from us
[06:36] <Flav> goofrider: true, they wouldn't change Ubuntu, but they'd benefit from Ubuntu's QA
[06:36] <jasoncohen> for example, in order to install nessus you have to install from atrpms which is a death wish for any box
[06:37] <jasoncohen> and rpmforge conflicts with extras making things even more fun
[06:37] <goofrider> Flav, they won't. Because it'll only compensate for their negative QA
[06:37] <Flav> negative QA?
[06:37] <goofrider> net QA = -1
[06:37] <Xgates> welp clean time
[06:37] <Xgates> don't need ppp
[06:37] <gregg_> will it be possible to configure the X server by GUI in the future? I mean basic stuff, like resolution.
[06:38] <gregg_> and no, xrandr isn't really enough :)
[06:38] <goofrider> gregg_, it's that a target for the modular xorg?
[06:38] <defkkon> maybe with sax2 someday...
[06:39] <karim> ls -l /usr/bin/pmount
[06:39] <karim> what does it gives you ?
[06:39] <Xgates> Bicycle Repair
[06:39] <Xgates> LOL
[06:39] <gregg_> goofrider, huh? what do you mean?
[06:39] <Xgates> flat tire anyone
[06:39] <Xgates> sheesh I dont think I need this
[06:39] <foxiness> where can i find info about to use clam on ubuntu can someone please point me
[06:39] <misieq> I set up kde on ubuntu and i have a problem with polish fonts
[06:39] <Xgates> what the heck does a refactoring tool for Python do?
[06:39] <gregg_> in my special cases the x server defaulted to 1600x1200 on my 17" just because DPMS reported it is capable of doing that
[06:39] <Xgates> hmm
[06:39] <misieq> i installed the kde-i18n-pl package, but the default font was bitstream vera and there were no polich signs
[06:40] <Flav> foxiness: if you've installed it, /usr/share/doc/clamav
[06:40] <misieq> so i changed it to freesans
[06:40] <misieq> but in some apps like knode polish signs are not displayed
[06:40] <foxiness> Flav, thanks
[06:40] <misieq> what should i do with it?
[06:40] <gregg_> pretty insane resolution for that little screen :)
[06:41] <damn> is expore2fs safe???
[06:41] <jasoncohen> gregg_, i have a 1400x1050 on a 15"
[06:41] <Kartagis> damn: for what?
[06:41] <goofrider> misieq, maybe knode isn't usigng the system default fonts? check it's font dialog
[06:41] <damn> reading ext2,3 in windows
[06:41] <gregg_> jasoncohen: probably TFT screen
[06:41] <Kartagis> damn: yea, I read successfully
[06:42] <jasoncohen> TFT?
[06:42] <goofrider> damn, it's rad-only, it ought to be safe
[06:42] <goofrider> read-only
[06:42] <misieq> goofrider, i checked, i also changed it to freesans and it didn't help
[06:42] <jasoncohen> i've seen 1600x1200 15". The only problem with those is that you're blind by the second day :)
[06:42] <damn> that is all i need
[06:42] <goofrider> TFT = active matrix LCD
[06:43] <foxiness> what could be install with clamav ?
[06:43] <misieq> i get some boxes instead polish letters
[06:43] <jasoncohen> foxiness, i know a guy in debian who uses clamav
[06:43] <misieq> are there any fonts i could use?
[06:43] <jasoncohen> in fact he backported it to debian stable. perhaps you can ask him
[06:43] <jasoncohen> misieq, have you tried the msfonts package?
[06:44] <rgould> I just did a new installation. When I try to do 'su' on the console, I get Authentication Failed. But when I enter the password while running Synaptic from Gnome, it accepts it. What's going on?
[06:44] <goofrider> jasoncohen, goodidea
[06:44] <jasoncohen> misieq, apt-get install msttcorefonts
[06:44] <foxiness> jasoncohen, did i need to ask this q on debian channel
[06:44] <misieq> i have another linux running with proper fonts and the main font there is 'Sans'
[06:44] <goofrider> rgould, sudo su -
[06:44] <rgould> goofrider, thanks
[06:45] <goofrider> rgould, ut try to use sudo by itself. like sudo <cmd>
[06:45] <jasoncohen> i had openoffice line spacing issues on mdk and debian and the fix both times was ms fonts
[06:45] <goofrider> rgould, sudo is safer, in our opinion
[06:45] <rgould> ok. I will read up on sudo. Haven't used it before.
[06:45] <jasoncohen> foxiness, yeah, ask in #debian if anyone uses clamav.
[06:45] <jasoncohen> i can get you the guys name i know
[06:45] <goofrider> rgould, http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:45] <papas_> hello
[06:46] <foxiness> jasoncohen, thanks
[06:46] <jasoncohen> foxiness, ask Agragag-
[06:46] <papas_> I would like to know if I can make a shortcut from a folder to the desktop
[06:46] <rgould> goofrider, awesome, thanks
[06:46] <goofrider> foxiness, wear your fireproof suit b4 u go into #debian. u gonna need it
[06:46] <goofrider> rgould, np
[06:46] <dr_willis> :)
[06:46] <goofrider> papas_, Right clik, make link, then drag the link to desktop
[06:47] <papas_> thanks!
[06:47] <danwolf> I recently installed ubuntu on an HP laptop, and everything seems to work fine but the wireless network, it is a broadcom, can someone help through gettin it working?
[06:47] <papas_> hmm  goofrider, that option is disabled
[06:48] <goofrider> papas_, ??? Maybe u don't have write permission for that folder
[06:48] <papas_> hmm
[06:48] <jasoncohen> goofrider, how long have you been using ubuntu and what did you use before it?
[06:48] <papas_> I'll change users
[06:48] <gregg_> anyone knows if there is a good and practical solution for software audio multiplexing available in linux?
[06:48] <papas_> thanks
[06:48] <abarbaccia> gregg_, try audacity
[06:48] <gregg_> or being worked on...
[06:48] <misieq> goofrider, erm it wants to download something from http://belnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe, but the proper link is http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe... how can i make it download from the other site?
[06:49] <danwolf> I recently installed ubuntu on an HP laptop, and everything seems to work fine but the wireless network, it is a broadcom, can someone help through gettin it working?
[06:49] <misieq> nevermind... it works now
[06:49] <goofrider> jasoncohen, 2 months. Never used linux on desktop b4
[06:49] <abarbaccia> danwolf, i did this for a friend - its not too difficult
[06:49] <gregg_> abarbaccia, that's not what I mean: for exampling playing MP3s and gaming/flash plugin running
[06:49] <jasoncohen> goofrider, you seem pleased with ubuntu
[06:49] <goofrider> jasoncohen, tried Sarge for a few days a yr ago
[06:49] <gregg_> s/exampling/example/
[06:49] <jasoncohen> goofrider, you didn't like it?
[06:49] <abarbaccia> gregg_, for playin mp3s i use amarok its the fullest media player i know of for linux
[06:50] <abarbaccia> danwolf, to get it working you need to install and use a program called ndiswrapper
[06:50] <nobile> goofrider, I still can't use the make link
[06:50] <goofrider> jasoncohen, tried so live cds here and there. I like Jpackage.org's RPM repo and been tempted to use an RPM distro. But I just prefer Debian's policy, FHS and packaging system and QA
[06:50] <danwolf> abarbaccia: ok
[06:50] <gregg_> abarbaccia, simultaneously
[06:50] <abarbaccia> danwolf, you need to download the windows drivers, put them in a directory, and tell ndiswrapper from the commandline to install those drivers - search google for a how-to so you can get the idea - i took me 10 minutes with a friends
[06:50] <goofrider> nobile, ln -s /path/to/file
[06:50] <danwolf> abarbaccia: and thats it?
[06:50] <abarbaccia> gregg_, no idea
[06:50] <jasoncohen> lol, i tried a suse live cd and it didn't even work
[06:50] <goofrider> nobile, that's what I do.
[06:50] <danwolf> abarbaccia: ok thanks
[06:51] <jasoncohen> goofrider, being able to apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade is wonderful
[06:51] <danwolf> abarbaccia: I will look around
[06:51] <Seveas> danwolf, wiki.ubuntu.com/NdiswrapperHowto
[06:51] <gregg_> there are only crappy solutions for playing multiple audio streams with multiplexing in software
[06:51] <goofrider> jasoncohen, yes that's basically why I put up with not having good java support  :P
[06:51] <jasoncohen> and no rpm distro can safely do a distribution upgrade
[06:51] <gregg_> like sound servers or dmix (which is pure crap, btw)
[06:51] <abarbaccia> danwolf, it takes a little bit - you need to do 2 things really, first - install the drivers ' ndiswrapper -i <windows driver file> '  , followed by a modprobe ndiswrapper
[06:51] <abarbaccia> danwolf, its pretty simple
[06:51] <gregg_> well, that's what I found
[06:52] <danwolf> abarbaccia: great
[06:52] <chiefofthejojos> gregg_: sounds like you know your linux audio.  Can you give me a quick reccomendation for recording/mixing software?
[06:52] <jasoncohen> goofrider, no java?
[06:52] <goofrider> jasoncohen, Debian's FHS always feels more natural to me. But I guess I should try out RHEL just because most businesses use that
[06:52] <foxiness> is there GUI for clamav on ubuntu ?
[06:52] <gregg_> chiefofthejojos, audacity, as mentioned before :)
[06:53] <chiefofthejojos> cool, thanks.  I thought that would be a good one.  I like audacity alot
[06:53] <goofrider> jasoncohen, no comprehensive java package repo like Jpackage.org, I mean
[06:53] <jasoncohen> ah, ok
[06:53] <jasoncohen> i thought you were talking about j2re which is easy to do
[06:53] <goofrider> jasoncohen, tomcat is still @ 4.1 in Sid, no tomcat package in Ubuntu, and tomcat is @ 5.5 now
[06:56] <gangalee> how do you determine if you're running Warty or Hoary? I installed vers. 5.04
[06:56] <Flav> gangalee: sources.list, but 5.04 is hoary
[06:56] <goofrider> jasoncohen, I never tried Sid because I didn't like the uncertainty of stability, and Sarge just didn't cut it. Ubuntu was perfect though.
[06:57] <goofrider> gangalee, that;s Hoary
[06:57] <danwolf> exit
[06:57] <jasoncohen> goofrider, what was wrong with sarge?
[06:57] <Flav> gangalee: should also be able to cat /etc/issue
[06:58] <goofrider> jasoncohen, it was missing a lot of package when I tried a year ago
[06:58] <Xgates> I put marillat in my sources.list and I thought blackbox-0.70.0 would be in it
[06:58] <Xgates> hmm
[06:58] <lukasz> hi everyone
[06:58] <lukasz> i am new
[06:58] <goofrider> Xgates, blackbox is in universe I thought
[06:58] <lukasz> can some one tell me waht i can do here
[06:58] <Xgates> goofrider, I'm talking 0.70.0 not 0.65.0
[06:59] <goofrider> Xgates, and if u don't know what you're trying to get from Marillat, I'd recommend u remove it altogether. Marillat is dangerous if u don't know what u'r doing
[06:59] <yourghetek> can someone point me in the direction of a sources.list?
[06:59] <goofrider> Xgates, check Marillat's Release file and look for it then
[07:00] <goofrider> Xgates, all I'm saying if u have to ask what u just asked, u shouldn't be using Marillat
[07:00] <Xgates> ok its in breezy ---> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/x11/blackbox
[07:00] <goofrider> Xgates, don't mix Breezy packages with Hoary
[07:00] <Xgates> goofrider, I've only been using Ubuntu a few days NOT Linux
[07:00] <Xgates> LOL
[07:00] <billytwowilly> is breezy somewhat safe to upgrade to now?
[07:01] <goofrider> billytwowilly, hell no
[07:01] <Xgates> goofrider, all I want is Blackbox and thats not going to mess up anything
[07:01] <Xgates> :-)
[07:01] <Seveas> billytwowilly, breezy is totally broken :)
[07:01] <Seveas> see the topic :)
[07:02] <billytwowilly> That's unfortunate. I upgraded to hoary 2 weeks after warty came out and it was nice.
[07:02] <nobile> nobile goofrider!  I know what I need to do, and it didn't need to be the owner or root or anything
[07:02] <nobile> nobile I only had to drag and drop pressing ctrl+shift
[07:02] <billytwowilly> lol, sorry, I've been logged in so long I haven't looked at the topic;)
[07:02] <goofrider> Xgates, don't say it didn't warn u. If u pulled a core lib from Breezy accidentally than u'll be absolutely fucked
[07:02] <Seveas> nobile, why are you typing your own name?!?
[07:02] <Xgates> thats ok I'll just dl it from here --> http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/pool/universe/b/blackbox/blackbox_0.70.0-3_i386.deb
[07:02] <goofrider> nobile, haha kewl
[07:02] <Xgates> goofrider, no I'll just get the one bb .deb and dpkg -i install it
[07:02] <Xgates> :-)
[07:03] <goofrider> Xgates, that's very wise  :)
[07:03] <nobile> seveas, I had written it in another channel =P
[07:03] <Xgates> hehe
[07:03] <Seveas> ah ;)
[07:03] <Xgates> I know the Linux deal
[07:03] <Xgates> WoOt
[07:03] <Seveas> Xgates, have you gone through decontamination already?
[07:03] <Seveas> ;)
[07:03] <Xgates> RoFl
[07:04] <root__> how do you install a .deb package
[07:04] <Seveas> yourghetek, you definitely need decontamination :)
[07:04] <root__> whats the command
[07:04] <Seveas> root__, dpkg -i [the filensme]
[07:04] <Seveas> root__, dpkg -i [the filename]
[07:04] <yourghetek> im decontaminating from windows
[07:04] <root__> thanks
[07:04] <gregg_> what the heck is breezy, by the way?
[07:04] <yourghetek> window manager
[07:04] <billytwowilly> the next release of ubuntu
[07:05] <billytwowilly> breezy badger
[07:05] <yourghetek> i think
[07:05] <Seveas> gregg_, it'll be the new version
[07:05] <Seveas> it's broken now :)
[07:05] <goofrider> and it's BROKEN
[07:05] <gregg_> ok, thanks for the info :)
[07:05] <yourghetek> haha i thought it was a window manager
[07:05] <yourghetek> damn
[07:05] <gregg_> kubuntu is a bit broken, too
[07:05] <Xgates> Seveas, you'd be proud as a Ubuntu noob, compiled a new kernel stripped to the barebone, because I'm using Audigy LS and I then had to compile alsa-driver, that I then needed to compile nvidia-kernel, and then kill just about all the services I could, all just after install 8 hours straight figuring it out
[07:05] <Xgates> :-)
[07:05] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[07:05] <yourghetek> i was about to do the nvidia thing too
[07:06] <Seveas> Xgates, well, i'm ptoud to have bought decent hardware ;)))
[07:06] <yourghetek> then i found a script
[07:06] <Xgates> no I gots a LEAN and Mean well almost lean Ubunut box
[07:06] <Xgates> WoOT
[07:06] <goofrider> gregg_, kubuntu is a community project i think, so they have a different QA
[07:06] <gregg_> yeah, I know goofrider...
[07:06] <gregg_> but still, the user are really fucked ;)
[07:06] <Xgates> Seveas, I got a killer box just put it together the other day all new excpet the dvd and cdrom and case
[07:06] <gregg_> s/user/&s/
[07:06] <billytwowilly> kubuntu actually works quite well.
[07:07] <goofrider> Xgates, did u use make-kpkg for your kernel?
[07:07] <St0n3-C0l> Gaim 1.3.0 is in the backports?
[07:07] <gregg_> billytwowilly, that's true (using it right now), but there is are rather strange bug involving an update of kdelibs-data
[07:07] <Xgates> XP 3000+ 512mb PC3200 with dfi Nforce2 mobo, maxtor diamond 10 160gb, and well just a measly 5200FX 128mb, WHICH I plan on getting a 6800GT in a few weeks
[07:07] <Xgates> :-)
[07:07] <Xgates> goofrider, yes
[07:08] <billytwowilly> gregg_: yah, I don't know what's up with that. I think you have to delete some file.
[07:08] <goofrider> gregg_, yeah.. If i wanted KDE on Debian Knoppix might be somewhat better
[07:08] <Seveas> Xgates, aarggh nforce
[07:08] <goofrider> Xgates, so u did RTFM  :)
[07:08] <gregg_> you have to delete knetworkconf, update kdelibs-data and install knetworkconf again...
[07:08] <gregg_> crazy shit :)
[07:08] <goofrider> Xgates, what distro didu come from?
[07:08] <gregg_> goofrider, gosh, hell no :)
[07:09] <goofrider> gregg_, yeah I discovered that as well
[07:09] <phester> how do I update ubuntu?
[07:09] <goofrider> gregg_, WHAT?
[07:09] <misieq> goofrider, i installed these but there are no new fonts in 'fonts' configuration window
[07:09] <goofrider> phester, apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
[07:09] <Seveas> phester, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[07:09] <gregg_> goofrider, knoppix ain't better than kubuntu
[07:09] <phester> ok, thx
[07:09] <Seveas> goofrider, && is better in this case
[07:10] <yourghetek> phester: say "upgrade please" into your microphone
[07:10] <Xgates> goofrider, :
[07:10] <Xgates> ---> xgates@ubuntu:~/Misc/Packs$ ls
[07:10] <Xgates> alsa-driver_1.0.8-4-1_i386.deb  linux-image-2.6.10_1_i386.deb  nvidia-kernel-2.6.10_1.0.7174-0ubuntu2+1_i386.deb
[07:10] <Xgates> goofrider, Slackware
[07:10] <phester> yourghetek, yeah...thx
[07:10] <yourghetek> oh!
[07:10] <goofrider> Xgates, oh ok. that's old skool
[07:10] <Xgates> the past 5 years in Slack
[07:10] <gregg_> Xgates: you don't habe to download all the stuff manually :)
[07:10] <Xgates> yep Im a hands on compile them build them
[07:11] <misieq> goofrider, i installed these but there are no new fonts in 'fonts' configuration window
[07:11] <yourghetek> phester, you might get an error with one of the dev libs
[07:11] <yourghetek> oh nevermind thats kubuntu
[07:11] <goofrider> misieq, i don't know
[07:11] <Xgates> gregg_, yes of course, thats why I'm using Ubuntu, not much time for all the compile BUT I'll still tweak it out and compile my kernel and set it up as close to Slack as can be
[07:11] <Funraiser> someone's using gdesklet? (i think that's the name of it)
[07:11] <Xgates> :-)
[07:12] <Seveas> gdesklets it is
[07:12] <misieq> goofrider, do u think reboot may help?
[07:12] <Xgates> and IF ever really need be I'll compile and make some .deb packs if Ubuntu doesnt have what I might want
[07:12] <goofrider> misieq, log out then log in might help
[07:12] <Funraiser> someone's using gdesklets?
[07:12] <goofrider> misieq, no reboot neccessary ever in Linux  :)
[07:12] <misieq> :>
[07:12] <gregg_> Xgates, maybe you'd like freebsd?
[07:13] <root__> i like furries
[07:13] <goofrider> how about Linux from Scratch, that';s right up your alley  LOL
[07:13] <Xgates> gregg_, yeah I used Free before pretty nice, you gots to love that speed and performance of that kernel :-)
[07:14] <Xgates> Funraiser, I heard that adesklets is suppose to be nice too
[07:14] <root__> FURRIES
[07:14] <Funraiser> i'll check
[07:14] <Xgates> Funraiser, I used gdesklets before somewhat in Slack
[07:14] <root__> Arnald does too
[07:14] <Xgates> Funraiser, wait I'll show ya my Openbox3 screenshot over at Openbox running them
[07:14] <Funraiser> k
[07:15] <root__> you know what that neans
[07:15] <Xgates> Funraiser, ---> http://icculus.org/openbox/screenshots.php
[07:15] <Xgates> Funraiser, the one ---> From Slackcare.com
[07:15] <Xgates> that is when I ran that Slackware package support site
[07:15] <Funraiser> k
[07:16] <Xgates> all the good ole Slack days in OpenBox
[07:16] <Xgates> GREAT Wm
[07:16] <Xgates> :-)
[07:16] <goofrider> openbox?
[07:17] <Xgates> yeah
[07:17] <Xgates> http://icculus.org/openbox/
[07:17] <Xgates> ran that Wm for the past 3 years is all
[07:17] <Xgates> I hate big desktops like this ahhh cough&^$%cough Gnome
[07:17] <Xgates> LOL
[07:18] <Xgates> BB, or OpenBox3 is all I can handle for Size
[07:18] <lok> then use fvwm
[07:18] <Xgates> nah to big
[07:18] <goofrider> y not use xfce or something?
[07:18] <lok> fvwm ????
[07:18] <Xgates> BB & OpenBox much smaller
[07:18] <goofrider> well fvwm is small alright
[07:18] <Xgates> yeah but not small enough for me
[07:19] <lok> Xgates, bb is not smaller than fvwm
[07:19] <gregg_> twm is teh rox
[07:19] <Xgates> I mean you use BB and OpenBox for 5 years and then try something on bigger
[07:19] <goofrider> what a good GUI file manager for alternative WMs?
[07:19] <Xgates> Talk about getting a stuffy feeling in bigger desktops
[07:19] <Xgates> hehe
[07:19] <neighborlee> I have /media/DriveE is in fstab and I can browse to it in the filesystem..but its not showing up in nautilus when I launch it via: Places :computer..what would cause this ???
[07:19] <gregg_> goofrider, rox-filer maybe
[07:19] <lok> Xgates, times changes
[07:20] <goofrider> gregg_, can't stand rox, no tree view no right click
[07:20] <gregg_> no right click? huh?
[07:20] <goofrider> or maybe there is and I need to RTFM???? :)
[07:20] <Xgates> lok, BB is alot smaller then fvwm :-)
[07:20] <Xgates> I've used just about every Wm and desktop out there
[07:20] <gregg_> goofrider, I don't any good "alternative" FM
[07:20] <lok> Xgates, I have try both of them too
[07:20] <goofrider> stop comparing sizes
[07:20] <gregg_> don't know
[07:21] <ogi_> Any idea how I can make my logitec mx310 mouse work in hoary 5.04?
[07:21] <goofrider> gregg_,  i guess nautilus --no-desktop it is  :)
[07:21] <gregg_> I need features like FTP and SFTP support all the time, nautilus and konqueror are the only ones supporting this stuff nicely
[07:21] <nalioth> goofrider: MC the oldesnt and the best! heh heh
[07:22] <goofrider> gregg_, welll that because those fileman uses the VFS support in their respective DE
[07:22] <gregg_> goofrider: I use worker sometimes :)
[07:22] <goofrider> nalioth, hahahaha u'r right  ;)
[07:22] <goofrider> gregg_, worker?
[07:22] <gregg_> it's an amiga style filemanager
[07:22] <gregg_> a bit like directory opus :)
[07:22] <rustyx51> hi
[07:22] <goofrider> gregg_, cute
[07:23] <rustyx51> what's the adress for the french chat for ubuntu please?
[07:23] <gregg_> it's quite a fuss to configure though and does not support ftp nor sftp
[07:23] <dataw0lf|w> #ubuntu-fr I assume
[07:23] <goofrider> #ubuntu-fr???
[07:23] <rustyx51> thanks
[07:23] <Funraiser> yes it's the one
[07:23] <goofrider> gregg_, nor smb
[07:23] <gregg_> well... I don't need that
[07:24] <goofrider> we need a userland vfs standard
[07:24] <gregg_> yeah
[07:24] <gregg_> I'd like to see userland NFS as well
[07:24] <goofrider> well userland VFS should support and FS that the kernel supports  :)
[07:24] <goofrider> any*** FS
[07:25] <goofrider> gregg_, what's NFS's advantage?
[07:25] <gregg_> unix file permissions
[07:26] <gregg_> you don't get that with smb - ftp is too limited as well
[07:26] <Xgates> ahh they have waimea listed in Synaptic
[07:26] <Xgates> hehe
[07:26] <goofrider> gregg_, ah... forgot about that  :)
[07:26] <Xgates> I wonder when that guys is ever going to get it out of CVS
[07:26] <goofrider> gregg_, can't u do umsdos over smb?
[07:26] <Xgates> guys/guy .....
[07:26] <goofrider> gregg_, just wondering
[07:26] <Raider|Ukraine> hi :)
[07:26] <goofrider> Xgates, ??????
[07:27] <gregg_> goofrider, crazy idea
[07:27] <goofrider> Xgates, speacking of CVS, VFS support for CVS and SVN would be nice too  ;)
[07:27] <gregg_> I don't think so - it probably needs FAT as underlying FS
[07:27] <Raider|Ukraine> I have a CD-box version of Ubuntu. In the small box there are 2 cd's inside: livecd & install cd.
[07:27] <Raider|Ukraine> On LiveCD we have preinstalled apps and Gnome
[07:27] <gregg_> and anyway, umsdos is probably broken nowadays
[07:27] <Raider|Ukraine> But on InstallCD, after finishing all setup process I'll get only shell without any window manager tongue.gif I need manually download kde/gnome and then setup it manually too? smile.gif
[07:27] <Raider|Ukraine> ;)
[07:28] <gregg_> Raider|Ukraine: maybe you did a server installation?
[07:28] <goofrider> gregg_, it's linux, I thought I'm supposed to be creative  ;)
[07:28] <gregg_> that's how it is called I think...
[07:28] <gregg_> hehe
[07:28] <Raider|Ukraine> gregg_: i don't know :P but by default it have window manager? :)
[07:29] <goofrider> Raider|Ukraine, u might have insyalled the server version
[07:29] <goofrider> Raider|Ukraine,  apt-get install ubuntu-desktop will get u where we are
[07:29] <hans_> can any1 tell me how to install my lexmark allinone x74
[07:29] <Raider|Ukraine> goofrider: ok. thanks. i'm trying it :D
[07:29] <jeroen_> Raider|Ukraine, do sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:29] <jeroen_> Raider|Ukraine, the sudo part is important
[07:30] <goofrider> hans_, if it's USB, u can just add the printer using the printer prefences and it's mostly automatic
[07:30] <Raider|Ukraine> I am not choosing "server" or something else... i've just put cd and install it :D
[07:30] <jacquesmerde> would there be any point in installing ubuntu if i immediately removed all of gnome and ran xfce4 instead?
[07:30] <Seveas> jacquesmerde, install ubuntu with the server option
[07:30] <Seveas> and xfce after that
[07:30] <goofrider> Raider|Ukraine, maybe u'r in runlevel 1, maybe gdm or xorg didn't install correctly, it can be a lot of things
[07:31] <Raider|Ukraine> k. thanks a lot :D
[07:31] <goofrider> jacquesmerde, just install the server version, then install xfce
[07:31] <Raider|Ukraine> going to try right now
[07:31] <gregg_> Raider|Ukraine, what kind of machine are you trying to install ubuntu on?
[07:31] <Raider|Ukraine> machine? :)
[07:31] <jacquesmerde> Seveas, goofrider the server version? please explain!
[07:31] <Raider|Ukraine> 5.04 for x86
[07:31] <gregg_> well, what are the specs (cpu, ram and so on)
[07:32] <nalioth> Raider|Ukraine: pentium, apple, sun sparcstation
[07:32] <goofrider> jacquesmerde, type "server" at the boot prompt when u boot from installer cd
[07:32] <Raider|Ukraine> barton3200 /512ram / radeon9600xt
[07:32] <gregg_> ok
[07:32] <Raider|Ukraine> ;)
[07:32] <Xgates> telnet client installed in Ubuntu
[07:32] <gregg_> I thought maybe ubuntu would default to a server install on low-end machinery?
[07:32] <Xgates> ohhh now thats too much
[07:32] <Xgates> lol
[07:32] <jacquesmerde> but what IS the server version? is it exactly the same as the normal version, but minus the userland stuff, with no packages or services that the normal version doesnt?
[07:32] <goofrider> Raider|Ukraine, can u "startx"???
[07:32] <Raider|Ukraine> goofrider: not trying it
[07:33] <gregg_> jacquesmerde, all desktop related stuff removed
[07:33] <goofrider> try it  :)
[07:33] <Raider|Ukraine> ok
[07:33] <Raider|Ukraine> thx
[07:33] <jacquesmerde> yeah, but nothing extra?
[07:33] <Raider|Ukraine> rebooting :D
[07:33] <neighborlee> I am wondering about  /media/DriveE in that it is in fstab and I can browse to it in the filesystem..but its not showing up in nautilus when I launch it via: Places :computer..can someone help me diagnose why this is so ? ;-)thx <<
[07:33] <Hoxzer> hi
[07:33] <gregg_> jacquesmerde, no... it's just a minimal installation, basically
[07:34] <Hoxzer> somebody knows how to use UMTS self phone as a modem with linux?
[07:34] <shido6> how do I play my movies out to my tv ( radeon 9800 AIW )
[07:34] <dabaSlon> Hey, I wanna buy a new boomerang, I was wondering if anyone knows a good way to get rid of the old one....
[07:34] <jacquesmerde> so if i install the server version, can i just do a sudo aptitude install xfce4, which will catch all the xfce4 components, plus all dependencies (xorg, etc...)?
[07:34] <shido6> i get a black box where the movie should be
[07:34] <nalioth> Raider must have more than one machine Smile.gif
[07:34] <Choubaka> "Smile.gif"?
[07:34] <gregg_> jacquesmerde, exactly :)
[07:34] <jacquesmerde> can someone give me a url to a list of all the packages that the server option installs?
[07:34] <goofrider> Hoxzer, it should be just like using a regular modem
[07:35] <gregg_> shido6, try to use something else than xv for video output
[07:35] <nalioth> Choubaka: scroll up and look at some of Raider|Ukraines texts
[07:35] <Hoxzer> Goot: also with USB data cable?
[07:35] <dabaSlon> noone gets teh boomerang joke??
[07:35] <goofrider> Hoxzer, well then it should be just like using a USB modem  :)
[07:35] <Choubaka> hmm.
[07:35] <ogi_> How do I edit "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"? nothing happens when I try to write
[07:35] <goofrider> Hoxzer, I haven't used a modem in 5 yrs
[07:35] <waterbeetle> Howto change the splash default screen w/ ubuntu?
[07:35] <Hoxzer> ok...
[07:36] <Choubaka> I wonder what to do with my new fbsd :P
[07:36] <Hoxzer> I should get it working before I move to amsterdam
[07:36] <yourghetek> how do i apt-get everything with a certain thing in the name?
[07:36] <goofrider> Hoxzer, but if no-one else can help u here, search about USB modem on the wiki and forum
[07:36] <jeroen_> dabaSlon, I get it :p
[07:36] <dabaSlon> Check this picture out then, if that was not funny... http://www.mts.net/~danb/alt+ctrl+del.png
[07:36] <gregg_> waterbeetle, administration -> login screen
[07:36] <yourghetek> this is what i want to do "apt-get install *bluez"
[07:36] <Hoxzer> ok :)
[07:36] <HappyFool> ogi_: you need to be root. what editor are you using?
[07:36] <waterbeetle> gregg_, not the login screen, the splash screen
[07:37] <ogi_> I did it as sudo with gedit
[07:37] <gregg_> ahh, you are using lilo I guess?
[07:37] <HappyFool> ogi_: say it's gedit. then type 'sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf' in a terminal window
[07:37] <waterbeetle> grub
[07:37] <HappyFool> ogi_: err
[07:37] <jacquesmerde> how do i find the list of packages the server option installs? i'm looking, but no luck...
[07:37] <HappyFool> ogi_: what error does gedit give?
[07:37] <goofrider> waterbeetle, grub in ubuntu has no splash by deulfat
[07:37] <dabaSlon> did you check out the altctrldel picture?
[07:37] <ogi_> HappyFool,  none..
[07:37] <gregg_> waterbeetle, anyway, why need a splashscreen? :)
[07:38] <waterbeetle> goofrider, maybe its not splash, but the screen between the login and the desktop
[07:38] <HappyFool> ogi_: after you've finished the edit, you need to restart x
[07:38] <goofrider> waterbeetle, and I don't think Ubuntu supplies a grub splash bitmap
[07:38] <goofrider> waterbeetle, oh that's the gnome splash
[07:38] <waterbeetle> yup
[07:38] <ogi_> HappyFool,  the problem is I can't edit it..nothing happens when I try to write and so on..
[07:38] <waterbeetle> gnome splash
[07:38] <dabaSlon> :( noone likes jokes:(
[07:39] <gregg_> ogi_, you are opening the file read-only I think
[07:39] <Funraiser> i have gdesklets, how can i run the time for example? anybody knows?
[07:39] <dabaSlon> well, this is a stress channel, I guess.
[07:39] <HappyFool> ogi_: oh, you mean when you try to type?
[07:39] <ogi_> HappyFool,  yes
[07:39] <goofrider> dabaSlon, what joke?
[07:39] <goofrider> hahahahhahhahaahhahahahahaahhahhahah
[07:39] <HappyFool> ogi_: hrm
[07:39] <goofrider> dabaSlon, is that better?
[07:39] <dabaSlon> goofrider: Hey, I wanna buy a new boomerang, I was wondering if anyone knows a good way to get rid of the old one....Check this picture out then, if that was not funny... http://www.mts.net/~danb/alt+ctrl+del.png
[07:39] <dabaSlon> thanks, goof.
[07:40] <gregg_> dabaSlon, OMFGROLRLOLLOOOLL satisfied?
[07:40] <HappyFool> ogi_: that only happens to me when i start gedit *without* sudo
[07:40] <dabaSlon> thanks, greg
[07:40] <HappyFool> ogi_: try 'sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf' again?
[07:40] <goofrider> waterbeetle, i can't even remember where the gnome splash is
[07:40] <dabaSlon> k, im off, good luck all with your issues.
[07:40] <Helmutt> Hi all!
[07:40] <Helmutt> When I try to install gstreamer0.8-lame, I get this error:
[07:40] <Helmutt> gstreamer0.8-lame:
[07:40] <Helmutt>   Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[07:40] <Helmutt> What do I do?
[07:40] <goofrider> dabaSlon, haha that's cute. that dude should patent that and license it to M$
[07:40] <Funraiser> dabaSlon, i thik it's funny
[07:41] <dabaSlon_wrk> thanks, guys.
[07:41] <waterbeetle> so its in grub then..
[07:41] <HappyFool> ogi_: also, check the permissions on /etc/X11/xorg.org -- try 'ls -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[07:41] <HappyFool> ogi_: it should look something like this: '-rw-r--r--  1 root root 3036 2005-04-13 22:13 /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[07:41] <ogi_> How stupid am I really..I didn't do it as sudo after all..I seem to become blind..
[07:41] <goofrider> waterbeetle, no it's in gnome
[07:41] <ogi_> thanks anyawy
[07:41] <HappyFool> ogi_: ah-ha ;)
[07:42] <goofrider> waterbeetle, i just can't find it, but it's in gnome.
[07:42] <waterbeetle> goofrider, yup i can't find it either...
[07:42] <gregg_> ogi_,  sudo chmod -R 777 /etc ;-)
[07:42] <goofrider> anyone know where the gnome splash screen preference is??????
[07:42] <Funraiser> i clicked run selected desklet but nothing appears...
[07:43] <Funraiser> gooffrider, i changed that once, hold on
[07:43] <Helmutt> System > Preferences > Sessions
[07:43] <Gwildor> goofrider, umm, isnt there a menu option?
[07:43] <Funraiser> goofrider, i changed that once, hold on
[07:43] <goofrider> it's for waterbeetle , he asked about it
[07:43] <Helmutt> System > Preferences > Sessions
[07:43] <goofrider> he wants CHANGE it
[07:44] <Gwildor> im pretty sure ther is an option in the menu..........dont run gnome, or I would look
[07:44] <goofrider> not disabling it
[07:44] <Gwildor> there you go Helmutt
[07:44] <Helmutt> aaah sorry ;)
[07:44] <goofrider> sorry should've been more clear
[07:44] <waterbeetle> funraiser, yes, I want to change it, can't find it anywhere...
[07:44] <goofrider> I went through all the mneus already
[07:44] <dabaSlon_wrk> goofrider: get the alternative splash first.
[07:45] <waterbeetle> dabaSlon_wrk, which alt splash?
[07:45] <Hoxzer> what is best software for linux to convert avi to mpg?
[07:45] <goofrider> waterbeetle, the alt splash packages in apt
[07:45] <jeroen_> waterbeetle, the one you want to use
[07:45] <goofrider> I assume
[07:45] <Funraiser> the splash screen is the login screen on startup?
[07:45] <dabaSlon_wrk> well, if you wanna change it, get the one you wanna change it to.
[07:45] <jeroen_> waterbeetle, i guess
[07:45] <dabaSlon_wrk> Ill get you a link to read it up./
[07:45] <goofrider> Funraiser, the splash after GDM login
[07:45] <goofrider> thanks dabaSlon_wrk
[07:45] <dabaSlon_wrk> there we go: http://art.gnome.org/faq.php#q8 .
[07:46] <dabaSlon_wrk> taht is a working one, I tried.
[07:46] <dabaSlon_wrk> in the past...
[07:46] <goofrider> Hoxzer, not sure if it's the best but ffmpeg is old and reliable
[07:46] <dabaSlon_wrk> And, the art.gnome.org site has other ones you can get, got that water?
[07:47] <waterbeetle> dabaSlon_wrk, I searched synaptic, it has Ksplash, and a package of splash .png's
[07:47] <dabaSlon_wrk> http://art.gnome.org/themes/splash_screens/
[07:47] <Sionide> i know the guy who runs art.gnome.org :)
[07:47] <dabaSlon_wrk> there you go.
[07:47] <goofrider> Sionide, name dropper
[07:47] <waterbeetle> dabaSlon_wrk, I got the .png
[07:47] <dabaSlon_wrk> water, ok, sounds goo, do the faq dance:)
[07:47] <Sionide> eh?
[07:47] <gregg_> Hoxzer, mencoder should be able to do that, ffmpeg should also work fine
[07:47] <goofrider> ;)
[07:47] <Hoxzer> ok :)
[07:48] <dabaSlon_wrk> as burgundavia said last night, the three button dance, for upgrading through synaptic
[07:48] <dabaSlon_wrk> waterbeetle: did you figure it out, can I go to wrk?
[07:48] <dabaSlon_wrk> :)
[07:48] <Hoxzer> will it reduce my video quality if I convert avi to mpg?
[07:48] <gregg_> Hoxzer, of course it will
[07:48] <goofrider> Hoxzer, avi is just a container
[07:48] <dabaSlon_wrk> why, off course...
[07:48] <dabaSlon_wrk> :)
[07:48] <goofrider> Hoxzer, it can be any compression format inside
[07:49] <dabaSlon_wrk> waterbeetle: do you think you figured it out, tho?
[07:49] <gregg_> goofrider, I don't think he'll just exchange the container :)
[07:49] <Q_Continuum> are the 3d binary drivers for nvidia cards on the Hoary install CD?
[07:49] <goofrider> gregg_, but if the AVI was like, um, Indeo5, then u don't lose shit
[07:49] <gregg_> Hoxzer, every conversion between lossy formats like divx, mpeg, mp3 (...) will reduce the quality
[07:49] <joserp> Hi
[07:49] <gregg_> goofrider, if it uses indeo, you should simply delete the file :)
[07:50] <goofrider> hehehe
[07:50] <dabaSlon_wrk> yo joserp
[07:50] <dabaSlon_wrk> Im out.
[07:50] <waterbeetle> Funraiser, any luck finding out howto change splash?
[07:50] <Funraiser> waterbeetle, nope
[07:50] <Xgates> which pak in Ubuntu has X11 libraries or header?
[07:50] <dabaSlon_wrk> waterbeetle: for gnome?
[07:50] <goofrider> Hoxzer, but what I was getting at is that u need the right codec to decompress the AVI first
[07:50] <waterbeetle> dabaSlon_wrk, yes, gnome
[07:50] <gregg_> Q_Continuum, don't think so. but available in multiverse or universe
[07:50] <dabaSlon_wrk> well, are you ignomring me or sthg?
[07:50] <Funraiser> waterbeetle, u checked system/administration/login screen setup?
[07:50] <dabaSlon_wrk> http://art.gnome.org/faq.php no. 8 tells you step by step.
[07:50] <joserp> do anyone know if usb is broken in breeze? the lsusb doesn't show me anything and /proc/bus/usb is mounted as usbfs but it doesn't contain anything
[07:51] <henkie_> hello... what's the console code to create a new map??
[07:51] <dabaSlon_wrk> through the conf editor,...
[07:51] <joserp> can anyone help me please?
[07:51] <waterbeetle> Funraiser, yes
[07:51] <nalioth> waterbeetle: did you ask uncle google how to change splash?
[07:51] <Seveas> joserp, breezy is broken
[07:51] <Badness45> does anyone no where i can get the package libdvdcss2 from
[07:51] <Seveas> do NOT use it
[07:51] <goofrider> Hoxzer, and depending on what codec the source is, u should consider using a better format like MPEG2 or Divx/xvid for your target, if it's applicable to what u wanna do
[07:51] <waterbeetle> hehe, yup
[07:51] <dabaSlon_wrk> waterbeetle: http://art.gnome.org/faq.php no 8 tells you.
[07:51] <waterbeetle> conf editor
[07:51] <Seveas> dbus is broken, which makes usb automount fail
[07:51] <waterbeetle> thx
[07:51] <dabaSlon_wrk> yup
[07:51] <dabaSlon_wrk> follow step 8 tho, its not easy.
[07:51] <joserp> ok Seveas thanks
[07:51] <henkie_> what is the consol code to create a new map.. can somone hlp me pls??
[07:51] <hans_> is linuxprinters.org offline?
[07:51] <Funraiser> i don't understand which one is the splash screen...u mean the small icons?
[07:51] <stuNNed> hi Seveas
[07:51] <Hoxzer> Goof: I want to conver divx/xvid to mpg couse divx is too heavy for my laptop
[07:51] <nalioth> Badness45: in the universe or multiverse
[07:52] <dabaSlon_wrk> funraiser
[07:52] <Funraiser> yes?
[07:52] <Badness45> what do u mean
[07:52] <Funraiser> :-/
[07:52] <dabaSlon_wrk> http://art.gnome.org/themes/splash_screens/
[07:52] <Seveas> hi stuNNed
[07:52] <dabaSlon_wrk> there is it
[07:52] <nalioth> Badness45: you have to update your apt-get to use more repositories
[07:52] <Funraiser> k
[07:52] <dabaSlon_wrk> its the little screen that has teh icons when you log in.
[07:52] <waterbeetle> gotcha, thx
[07:52] <Badness45>  how do i do that
[07:52] <waterbeetle> I got it
[07:52] <dabaSlon_wrk> and I told waterbeetle WHERE TO do it...
[07:52] <goofrider> Hoxzer, i c. but how about downcodinf divx/xvid to a lower res?
[07:52] <dabaSlon_wrk> sorry caps.
[07:52] <gregg_> henkie_, map?
[07:52] <dabaSlon_wrk> bye
[07:53] <waterbeetle> yes, thanks dabaSlon_wrk
[07:53] <nalioth> Badness45: go to ubuntuguide.org and look at restricted formats
[07:53] <Badness45> o
[07:53] <Badness45> ok
[07:53] <henkie_> yes.... like /usr/henkie
[07:53] <stuNNed> Seveas: which marillat should I use?  'unstable' or 'testing' with Hoary?
[07:53] <Seveas> testing
[07:53] <henkie_> a new map to put items in....
[07:53] <henkie_> or install programs in...
[07:53] <Hoxzer> yes.... but it will make my video quality lower ....
[07:53] <goofrider> Hoxzer, well, do what u wanna do. FFmpeg and mencoder willl do what u want regardless :)
[07:53] <stuNNed> Seveas: ah ok thanks muchos :D
[07:53] <Funraiser> dabaSlon_wrk, there is one of those at startup?
[07:53] <Seveas> and even that can bring you problems :)
[07:53] <Hoxzer> yes.... but it will make my video quality lower ....
[07:53] <stuNNed> Seveas: LOL :)
[07:54] <Helmutt> tried to open a .ogg file with rythmbox, the it said: Internal GStreamer error: pad problem.  File a bug.
[07:54] <Helmutt> What do I do?
[07:54] <Funraiser> waterbeetle, i found it
[07:54] <Funraiser> waterbeetle, http://art.gnome.org/faq.php#q8
[07:54] <gregg_> Hoxzer, it's not that bad, depends very much on how you encode
[07:54] <waterbeetle> Funraiser, thx, I did too
[07:54] <nalioth> Helmutt: visit bugzilla.ubuntu.org and file a bug
[07:55] <Seveas> Helmutt, try other media players, if they work, file a bug on rhythmbox
[07:55] <goofrider> Funraiser, dabaSlon_wrk already supplied that link about half an hr ago
[07:55] <goofrider> LOL
[07:55] <Helmutt> ok? :S What should I write... It aint much information in it... :S
[07:55] <gregg_> Helmutt, mplayer should play every single crappy media file out there
[07:55] <waterbeetle> yes, yes quality support from many people...
[07:55] <Funraiser> well actually it was the link for the gnome art, there was a faq there
[07:55] <waterbeetle> :)
[07:55] <Seveas> Helmutt, can you send me the .ogg file?
[07:55] <goofrider> Funraiser, I hate it when that happends. U go the hard route to help someone and when u come back it's not needed anymore
[07:56] <hans_> im getting crazy...i cant install my lexmark allinone x74...any help?
[07:56] <Seveas> Helmutt, if it is not to big, please mail it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:56] <goofrider> Funraiser, he linked to the faq, #8 specifically as well
[07:56] <Badness45> i don't see where it says restricted formats
[07:56] <Badness45> will i be able to get it from there
[07:56] <Helmutt> ok...
[07:56] <Funraiser> goofrider, oh sorry then
[07:57] <goofrider> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ResitrictedFormats as well
[07:57] <goofrider> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:57] <Badness45> ok
[07:57] <Badness45> what is this for
[07:59] <gregg_> totem doesn't work for me at all
[07:59] <gregg_> even for mp3s it reports that the codec isn't supported
[07:59] <goofrider> gregg_, u have w32codecs and the gstreamer plugins right?
[07:59] <gregg_> what could be wrong there?
[08:00] <gregg_> w32codecs no, gstreamer yes
[08:00] <goofrider> again, ee http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:00] <goofrider> again, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:00] <zenrox> or ubuntuguide.org
[08:00] <Hoxzer> goot: now I have installed ffmepg how I should run it?
[08:01] <gregg_> these restrictions are only enforced on ubuntu-main, right?
[08:01] <goofrider> #ffmpeg????
[08:01] <gregg_> I installed vlc and mplayer, they both work fine
[08:01] <goofrider> gregg_, restrictions are enforced by the patent owners, not us
[08:02] <goofrider> we just don't wanna get sued, that's all
[08:02] <Badness45> vlc don't work for me
[08:02] <Badness45> only bootlegs dvd
[08:02] <gregg_> sure, but some distributions don't care about them
[08:02] <Badness45> and i hear no sound
[08:02] <timte> apache2ctl -l doesn't show mod_proxy - how do I enable it?
[08:02] <goofrider> Badness45, u need decss or libdvd???
[08:02] <Badness45> where do i get it from
[08:03] <goofrider> Timbo, a2enmod???
[08:03] <jamie_> i'm having trouble getting my wireless card working. its using the ndiswrapper and appears to be working however it doesn't connect to my network.
[08:03] <zenrox> Badness45,  agine read ubuntuguide.org
[08:03] <Timbo> goofrider: ???
[08:03] <goofrider> run a2enmod
[08:03] <Hoxzer> damn im lucky that I got my sounds working :)
[08:04] <Hoxzer> now I can listen music in airplane
[08:04] <goofrider> Hoxzer, yes u r indeed
[08:04] <goofrider> Hoxzer, u got your sound working on your airplane as well?
[08:04] <goofrider> wow
[08:04] <timte> goofrider: thanks, seems to be working
[08:04] <goofrider> np
[08:04] <Hoxzer> also
[08:05] <Hoxzer> I still have some problems with my helicopter
[08:05] <gregg_> running apt-get install gstreamer* :)
[08:06] <gregg_> let's see if this brute force method will help
[08:06] <jeroen_> gregg_, if you want absolutely all gstreamer stuff (libs etc), maybe apt-get install *gstreamer* works better?
[08:06] <dballester> hi to all
[08:07] <jeroen_> hi to dballester
[08:07] <HappyFool> i would've thought maybe gstreamer0.8* might be an idea
[08:07] <gregg_> jeroen_, I just want all the plugins
[08:07] <jeroen_> gregg_, aha
[08:07] <HappyFool> doesn't marillat have gstreamer- packages ? i had some problems with that on warty
[08:07] <gregg_> HappyFool, that's what I actually did, sorry
[08:07] <jeroen_> are they not on the plugins site?
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[08:07] <nalioth> Badness45: if you follow the guide for restricted formats, you should be able to apt-get most anything you need
[08:07] <goofrider> jeroen_, there's a plugin site?
[08:08] <Amaranth> Ok, how many people in a linux channel would you expect to have mIRC?
[08:08] <dballester> i'm trying to create an alias for my eth0. I come from RH world and i wanna know where to get info about fileconfig for ip aliases, TIA
[08:08] <jeroen_> goofrider, is there not?
[08:08] <jeroen_> Amaranth, about 2?
[08:08] <gregg_> Amaranth, I'd like to make a statistic myself :)
[08:08] <Amaranth> jason^ must have thought there would be more
[08:08] <HappyFool> gregg_: i'm sure gstreamer0.8-sid (for music written for C64 chips) will come in super-handy ;-)
[08:08] <nalioth> Amaranth: ok i'll bite. how many?
[08:08] <goofrider> ididn't know there is one
[08:09] <stuNNed> HappyFool: LOL
[08:09] <^rob> hey all, is there any way to tell the system even if / was not cleanly unmounted?
[08:09] <gregg_> jeroen_, many more probably
[08:09] <Amaranth> nalioth: I don't know. :)
[08:09] <goofrider> BTW, never leave a can of peanuts on the floor, I just spill it all over
[08:09] <gregg_> HappyFool, it uses sidplay1... sounds like crap :)
[08:09] <Badness45> ok i read the page
[08:09] <gregg_> HappyFool, IIRC
[08:09] <Choubaka> sids are cool
[08:09] <Choubaka> HVSC contains many cool sid tunes.
[08:09] <HappyFool> gregg_: ok, i guess maybe you *do* want all those weird codecs then
[08:10] <gregg_> Choubaka, yeah
[08:10] <goofrider> there's a VST plugin called QuadraSid that's really kewl
[08:10] <gregg_> nothing's better than the real machin tho
[08:10] <gregg_> +e
[08:10] <Badness45> how do i install the package decss
[08:10] <Tezkah> terrorists use DeCSS
[08:10] <Choubaka> hmm
[08:10] <Tezkah> the MPAA told me
[08:10] <jeroen_> Badness45, you mean libdvdcss?
[08:10] <Choubaka> Tezkah: Hahaha.
[08:10] <rrichie> hi all
[08:10] <Choubaka> Tezkah: Don't live in America :D
[08:11] <Tezkah> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-14960.html
[08:11] <rrichie> is there a package of freevo for ubuntu ?
[08:11] <gregg_> Choubaka, you know tsunami/booze design? has an impressive soundtrack! really great!
[08:11] <HappyFool> Tezkah: terrorists drink water!
[08:11] <Tezkah> I live in Canada
[08:11] <jeroen_> Tezkah, yup, and we're commies, or so mr gates told us
[08:11] <Badness45> where doi i get the libdvdcss
[08:11] <Tezkah> jeroen_: I live in Soviet Canuckistan
[08:11] <Choubaka> Tezkah: Cool.
[08:11] <Tezkah> I know all about communism
[08:11] <nalioth> Badness45: go to ubuntuguide.org and look at restricted formats
[08:11] <dballester> what info i need to put in /etc/network/interfaces to create an ip alias for device eth0 ? TIA
[08:11] <HappyFool> Badness45: have you read ubuntuguide.org and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats carefully ?
[08:11] <Tezkah> you live on the back of a shark?
[08:11] <Tezkah> cool
[08:11] <Choubaka> only in winter.
[08:12] <nalioth> Tezkah: canuckistan?
[08:12] <Tezkah> hehe
[08:12] <Badness45> i read it
[08:12] <Tezkah> nalioth: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2002/10/31/3057.html
[08:12] <Badness45> under where it says dvd right
[08:12] <Hoxzer> How do I run FFMEPG?
[08:12] <nalioth> Badness45: yes under "how to play dvd"
[08:12] <HappyFool> Badness45: that seems like a good place to start
[08:12] <Tezkah> oh wait, even better
[08:12] <Tezkah> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Canuckistan wikipedia'd
[08:13] <stuNNed> Tezkah: lol
[08:13] <rrichie> is there a package of freevo for ubuntu ?
[08:13] <gregg_> the gstreamer SID plugin really hurts my ears
[08:13] <nalioth> Tezkah: better than the louisiana relatives (you guys are canooks, the louisianan french are "coon-asses"
[08:13] <goofrider> rrichie, not sure not there's MythTV for sure
[08:13] <Tezkah> heh
[08:13] <Tezkah> oh good, Firefox can do both autoscroll and still use the text buffer
[08:13] <stuNNed> not really heh live in new orleans city so not really a coon-ass
[08:14] <nalioth> stuNNed: you are of the french descent?
[08:14] <rrichie> i prefer freevo ;(
[08:14] <gregg_> hmm
[08:14] <stuNNed> nalioth: not really
[08:14] <nalioth> ah, well thats a coon-ass
[08:14] <goofrider> Badness45, http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[08:14] <gregg_> I don't get it why the open-url-in-clipboard-by-middleclick-feature is disabled in ubuntu firefox by default
[08:15] <HappyFool> Badness45: both ubuntuguide.org and the RestrictedFormats page tell you how to install CSS
[08:15] <goofrider> rrichie, make a package of freevo for us and submit it to universe then  :)
[08:15] <Badness45> when i run this it says /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[08:15] <Badness45> i get an error
[08:15] <goofrider> Badness45, did u sudo?
[08:15] <rrichie> goofrider : i'd like but i'm not a good package
[08:15] <rrichie> packager
[08:16] <nalioth> Badness45: why r u running a script? apt-get will do it for you with no problem
[08:16] <goofrider> rrichie, if u want it that bad, then learn. I'm starting to learn to package as well
[08:17] <goofrider> rrichie, then everyone can benefit from having freevo  ;)
[08:17] <HappyFool> nalioth: he's doing it cos that's what the RestrictedFormats page says to do
[08:17] <HappyFool> nalioth: so he's actually following instructions ;)
[08:17] <Badness45> i am
[08:17] <goofrider> rrichie, alterantively though, u can always sumbit a request to the MOTUs and see if someone wnats to pick it up
[08:18] <stuNNed> what is a MOTU?
[08:18] <goofrider> Master of the Universe, the universe maintainers
[08:18] <nalioth> HappyFool: really? i used apt to install mine
[08:18] <HappyFool> Badness45: if you don't tell us what the error is, we won't be able to help you
[08:18] <stuNNed> goofrider: ah ok thanks
[08:18] <nalioth> HappyFool: what is the end diff btwn .sh and apt?
[08:18] <HappyFool> nalioth: yeah, me too. i actually wonder how legal that script is
[08:18] <Badness45> no binary deb available
[08:18] <HappyFool> nalioth: sh is the shell (bash, probably)
[08:18] <goofrider> hmmm... i wonder as well
[08:18] <HappyFool> nalioth: it's a script to install decss
[08:19] <jazzka> hi!
[08:19] <goofrider> I never tried th ubuntugiode's stuff actaully  LOL
[08:19] <Badness45> yo need to have debhelper,dpkg-dev and fake root installed
[08:19] <stuNNed> only thing used it for here is the numlockx tip heh
[08:19] <stuNNed> nalioth: nice
[08:19] <jazzka> is there anything I can do to boot ubuntu faster?
[08:19] <HappyFool> Badness45: it might be easier to follow the instructions on ubuntuguide.org
[08:19] <nalioth> goofrider: HappyFool i never knew ubuntuguide was there til a couple days ago
[08:19] <Badness45> sorry guys i am new and trying to learn thid
[08:19] <Badness45> this
[08:19] <goofrider> jazzka, upgrade your CPU????
[08:20] <goofrider> jazzka, j/k  :)
[08:20] <waterbeetle> hehe
[08:20] <jazzka> I mean, by software
[08:20] <nalioth> jazzka: go to ubuntuguide.org    Read it carefully
[08:20] <gregg_> http://www.awfulplasticsurgery.com/images/old_and_new_paris.jpg interesting
[08:20] <HappyFool> Badness45: have you added the repositories as suggested at ubuntuguide.org ?
[08:20] <nalioth> jazzka: there are many ways to the end you seek
[08:20] <goofrider> no more paris hilton
[08:20] <goofrider> LOL
[08:20] <Badness45> hold everybody is giving me mixed signals here
[08:20] <Badness45> which is the best way to get this done?
[08:20] <gregg_> goofrider: well, she looked quite good as a teen :)
[08:21] <Helmutt> Do somebody know a good guide for setting up a Logitech QuickCam under Hoary?
[08:21] <goofrider> gregg_, but better now  :P
[08:21] <nalioth> Badness45: read both site you were sent and decide which is easiest for you
[08:21] <HappyFool> Badness45: well, if you want to stick with the Wiki, you're going to have to install those packages
[08:21] <nalioth> Badness45: both sites directions work
[08:21] <gregg_> goofrider, sorry? she looks _terrible_ now :)
[08:21] <goofrider> gregg_, at least it just looked like good groooming. I doubt she had work done
[08:21] <HappyFool> debhelper, etc
[08:21] <Xgates> lets see how that looks
[08:21] <Badness45> ok thanks guys imma try them both now
[08:22] <HappyFool> well, if one works don't try the other ;)
[08:22] <goofrider> why do ppl make grub splash screens?? Like u ever get to see it
[08:22] <nalioth> gregg_: goofrider grooming and lots of cake, er, makeup
[08:22] <HappyFool> i wonder how legal that script is. does it come out of multiverse?
[08:22] <luke__> i need help
[08:22] <gregg_> nakata, haha... cake :)
[08:22] <nalioth> luke__: tell us
[08:23] <gregg_> nalioth, , haha... cake :)
[08:23] <luke__> how can i install xine in ubuntu
[08:23] <HappyFool> eek, it's out of main
[08:23] <gregg_> fucked up again
[08:23] <gregg_> luke__, it's somewhere in universe/multiverse I think
[08:23] <nalioth> luke__: sudo apt-get install totem-xine  (or gxine)
[08:23] <luke__> as totem wont read mpegs
[08:23] <nalioth> luke__: something is wrong with your system if mpgs wont read
[08:24] <gregg_> luke__, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8\*
[08:24] <Loginx> I'm experiencing an issue while installing ubuntu... At about 10% of the "installing base system" step, it dies and the message "tar: invalid tar magic" comes up... that's with 2 CDs downloaded from different mirrors and with valid md5sums...
[08:24] <goofrider> jazzka, is there a particular boot script that's stalling the boot process? like hotplug ot DHCP?
[08:24] <jazzka> goofrider, no
[08:24] <gregg_> luke__, that will make totem work
[08:24] <Badness45> ok when i use apt-get install libdvdcss2 it says E: could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[08:24] <merce> ola
[08:24] <jazzka> goofrider, some usb errors, but it doesnt slow the bootup proccess
[08:24] <goofrider> jazzka, well then it's as fast as it gets. unles u want enter the experimental world of initng
[08:25] <HappyFool> Badness45: try 'sudo apt-get ...'
[08:25] <jazzka> goofrider, have you tried it?
[08:25] <luke__> im doing the gstreamer
[08:25] <nalioth> Badness45: when you are adding things, you need to be root
[08:25] <jazzka> has anyone tried initng with ubuntu??
[08:25] <goofrider> jazzka, np. Some pl swear by it but I heard it's pretty broken as well
[08:25] <Badness45> so to go to root i say sudo -s right
[08:25] <jeroen_> Badness45, or sudo apt-get install blabal
[08:25] <goofrider> jazzka, check the forums, there are several threads about initng
[08:26] <jazzka> goofrider, ok man!
[08:26] <merce> hello people!
[08:26] <goofrider> hellp person
[08:26] <Badness45> when i am root it says the same thing
[08:26] <goofrider> Badness45, do u have synaptic open?
[08:26] <Badness45> yeah
[08:26] <goofrider> close it  :)
[08:27] <jeroen_> Badness45, can't run more than 1 apt-get program at a time
[08:27] <Badness45> ok
[08:27] <jeroen_> Are there no mythtv packages for ubuntu?
[08:27] <jeroen_> :'(
[08:27] <goofrider> jeroen_,  in multiverse  i think
[08:27] <jeroen_> goofrider, okay
[08:27] <Badness45> now it says E: Package has no installation canidate
[08:28] <merce> hello people!
[08:28] <goofrider> Badness45, did u do an apt-get update?
[08:28] <Badness45> nah
[08:28] <goofrider> merc, hello person? how can we help u?
[08:28] <Funraiser> there we go, i changed the splash screen too :-) (small things make me happy)
[08:28] <Badness45> ok i just dot the apt get update
[08:29] <Badness45> done
[08:29] <cyphase> can someone point me to a simple bind configuration for a www subdomain?
[08:29] <goofrider> Funraiser, and now u'll reboot 5x a day just to enjoy it???
[08:29] <merce> it's the first time
[08:29] <Badness45> it says the package might be missing or obselete
[08:29] <merce> enter here
[08:29] <Funraiser> goofrider, just did it :-)
[08:29] <goofrider> merce, WTF r u talking about?
[08:30] <merce> jjeje :)
[08:30] <goofrider> merce, u menat hehehehe??
[08:30] <merce> i speek english  very bad
[08:30] <Funraiser> wish i could run gdesklets though
[08:30] <stuNNed> goofrider: i think he meant it's his first time here in #ubuntu
[08:30] <goofrider> oh oh oh my bad
[08:31] <merce> yes exacly
[08:31] <nobile> merce where are you from?
[08:31] <goofrider> merce, sorry man. how can we help u> don't be shy.  :)
[08:31] <Funraiser> where are u from merce
[08:31] <luke_> i get this error
[08:31] <mvirkkil> What do you call an automatic phone service that asks you "Please press 1 for foo, press 2 for bar, press 4 for talking to a live person"?
[08:31] <luke_> "no decoders found for totem"
[08:31] <waterbeetle> parle vou francais? merce?
[08:31] <merce> i'm from mallorca (spain)
[08:31] <nobile> hola merce!
[08:31] <waterbeetle> ahh...
[08:31] <goofrider> mvirkkil, hang up
[08:32] <Funraiser> he probably didn't understand WTF anyway
[08:32] <stuNNed> hola merce
[08:32] <stuNNed> goofrider: lol
[08:32] <waterbeetle> #ubuntu-es
[08:32] <nalioth> merce in el #ubuntu-es nosotros hablas espanol
[08:32] <mvirkkil> goofrider: What do you call that service? Or system?
[08:32] <Hoxzer> aargh I have installed FFmepg and I dont know how to run it :D
[08:32] <mvirkkil> goofrider: Looking for the english word.
[08:32] <luke_> so any help..
[08:32] <merce> looool
[08:32] <nobile> merce, en #ubuntu-es hablan espaol
[08:32] <goofrider> mvirkkil, automatic phone system have 25 level recursive menus
[08:32] <stuNNed> Hoxzer: isn't it a backend to something like totem?
[08:33] <merce> i don't now,
[08:33] <stuNNed> Hoxzer: oh maybe not sorry
[08:33] <nalioth> my we are a multilingual bunch, aren't we?
[08:33] <waterbeetle> hehe
[08:33] <Funraiser> merce type /join #ubuntu-es
[08:33] <nobile> ^^
[08:33] <merce> lol
[08:33] <Hoxzer> StuNNeD: what do you mean?
[08:33] <waterbeetle>
[08:33] <goofrider> mvirkkil, it's an automated phone menu system
[08:33] <jeroen_> mythv is gpl right; why would it be in multiverse? patents?
[08:33] <merce> aaah
[08:33] <mvirkkil> goofrider: :-)
[08:33] <goofrider> mvirkkil, no fucking acronym for it, sorry  :)
[08:33] <antonio_> can someone help me?
[08:33] <luke_> There were no decoders found to handle the stream in file
[08:34] <antonio_> how can i listen my mp3's on ubuntu?
[08:34] <nalioth> antonio_: tell us
[08:34] <Funraiser> antonio_, can we help u?
[08:34] <goofrider> jeroen_, it relies on non-free software???
[08:34] <merce> where are you from goofrider
[08:34] <stuNNed> Hoxzer: what if you just run 'ffmpeg' from command line or 'dpkg -L ffmpeg' to see what files it installed?
[08:34] <goofrider> jeroen_, multiverse = Debian contrib maintained by community
[08:34] <nalioth> luke, open synaptic as root, and search for "gstreamer", install all plugins
[08:34] <luke_> help...
[08:34] <luke_> ok
[08:34] <goofrider> merce, Seattle, US of the Jesusland
[08:35] <goofrider> yes fuck me
[08:35] <waterbeetle> haha
[08:35] <Funraiser> antonio_, install xine
[08:35] <stuNNed> lol
[08:35] <merce> aaahm
[08:35] <waterbeetle> of the republican-land
[08:35] <antonio_> k thx Funraiser
[08:35] <merce> loool
[08:35] <Funraiser> antonio_, u know how to install xine?
[08:36] <antonio_> with apt-get?
[08:36] <merce> i'm going to smoke a cigarrette
[08:36] <merce> good bye!!!
[08:36] <Hoxzer> hmm seems like I haven't installed it ://
[08:36] <luke_> only 2 werent installed
[08:36] <Funraiser> antonio_, follow http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#xine-ui
[08:36] <antonio_> ok thx
[08:37] <goofrider> u guys are soo patient
[08:37] <nalioth> goofrider: we work in a hospital?
[08:37] <goofrider> I guess I'm a BOFH
[08:37] <Funraiser> goofrider, the more linux users, the better
[08:37] <luke_> still cant play
[08:38] <gregg_> bah. the standard xine GUI is _sooo_ bad :)
[08:38] <goofrider> gregg_, yeah totem looks much nicer.... if it works  LOL
[08:38] <nalioth> goofrider: aren't we all?
[08:38] <gregg_> luke_, you have multiverse and universe in your sources.list?
[08:38] <gregg_> goofrider, it does now
[08:38] <luke_> no idea
[08:38] <luke_> how do i check
[08:38] <gregg_> luke_, if you didn't do anything, you don't :)
[08:39] <nalioth> luke google ubuntulinux.org for "restricted formats"
[08:39] <Badness45> ok i install regionset how do i run it
[08:39] <luke_> i just installed yesterday
[08:39] <goofrider> gregg_, yeah i haven't hard any issue with totem actually, but i hear ppl bitch about it all the time
[08:39] <stuNNed> goofrider: actually ubuntu is the first distro where totem hasn't crashed once
[08:39] <gregg_> goofrider, the worst thing is that the xine gui feels very sluggish
[08:39] <stuNNed> goofrider: for me at least, sorry
[08:39] <Funraiser> ok diner time, sul
[08:39] <goofrider> gregg_, there was this dude this weekend who went so far as recomiling mplayer from source
[08:39] <Funraiser> i did it once
[08:39] <gregg_> went so far?
[08:39] <anthony> i'm trying to get Gaim to connect to MSN but can't get it working. What settings should I have?
[08:40] <goofrider> stuNNed, add that to xorg as Ubuntu's huge accomplishment
[08:40] <jazzka> what p2p client do you suggest?
[08:40] <gregg_> that's pretty standard, because mplayer is not very much supported in debian/ubuntu
[08:40] <nalioth> goofrider: i compiled mplayer from source, also? what of it?
[08:40] <goofrider> anthony, it should Just Works (tm)
[08:40] <nalioth> jazzka: bittorrent
[08:40] <gregg_> goofrider, then I should have given up MUCH earlier :)
[08:41] <anthony> should I use the HTTP method or not?
[08:41] <Hoxzer> and then I need mp3 pro converter for linux
[08:41] <gregg_> jazzka, depends
[08:41] <rgould> I have a dual-head video card with two LCD monitors hooked up. How do I tell x/gnome/whatever to extend my desktop across them, rather than clone? Any tutorials on this somewhere?
[08:41] <zenrox> rgould,  is it nvidia
[08:41] <Badness45> ok i install regionset how do i run it
[08:41] <gregg_> Hoxzer, I wouldn't use mp3pro, support is ner zero (software and hardware)
[08:41] <goofrider> nalioth, nothing, just a little unecceasy IMHO... but compiling from source is a cakewalk for those ppl anyways  :)
[08:41] <gregg_> s/ner/near/
[08:41] <rgould> zenrox, I do believe so
[08:41] <Hoxzer> ok...
[08:41] <zenrox> rgould,  if so ask for help in #nvidia and read the topic
[08:42] <rgould> ok, thanks
[08:42] <gregg_> Hoxzer, if you need better compression, use ogg vorbis with abr/vbr
[08:42] <goofrider> Hoxzer, mp3 pro is not standard, it's a nonstandard extension to mp3. don't use it
[08:42] <nalioth> goofrider: for some reason (on my PPC) gmplayer wasnt there for me, so i compiled and there it was! heh heh
[08:42] <Hoxzer> Is there any software for self phone that can play ogg?
[08:42] <gregg_> gmplayer?
[08:42] <goofrider> Hoxzer, right, Ogg is better quality, better compression, VBR from the get-go, frame-accurate, and patent-free
[08:42] <gregg_> the mplayer GUI is even worse than the xine gui :p
[08:43] <goofrider> nalioth, well u use PPC, u ought to be excused  :)
[08:43] <Hoxzer> I don't need video quality I need music quality
[08:43] <stuNNed> lol @ goofrider
[08:43] <goofrider> gregg_, beep-media-player is nice for the mplayer crowd
[08:43] <Badness45> ok i install regionset how do i run it
[08:43] <Shagma_> i need help with dwl g122 crap. tried everything.... pls help!...?
[08:43] <gregg_> I rather use the command line
[08:44] <gregg_> I even tried no to, but it's simply faster and feels easier for me
[08:44] <ogi_> wow this really doesn't want to work properly
[08:44] <goofrider> gregg_, like cat my.mp3 > /dev/dsp/audio ???
[08:44] <ogi_> mouse that is
[08:44] <goofrider> j/k
[08:44] <gregg_> goofrider, well, no. like wget http://....avi && mplayer ....avi
[08:45] <Hoxzer> lol FFmpeg has lot of commands :D
[08:45] <goofrider> Hoxzer, is that good or bad??? :-D
[08:46] <Hoxzer> dunno yet :D
[08:46] <goofrider> Hoxzer, what did u use on Win32? VirtualDub?
[08:46] <goofrider> Hoxzer, FFmpeg is avail on win32 as well, plus numerous clones like Xmpeg
[08:47] <Hoxzer> but is there any software for self phone that can play .ogg sound files?
[08:47] <shadeofgrey> hey guys and gals
[08:48] <Hoxzer> I need specially small music files
[08:48] <shadeofgrey> i need help installing k3b
[08:48] <shadeofgrey> and also
[08:48] <goofrider> Hoxzer, depends on what cell phone u use
[08:48] <jazzka> any idea to customize initng to ubuntu?
[08:48] <goofrider> Hoxzer, u can get a ogg player for most smartphones I think
[08:49] <shadeofgrey> i need to make an exact duplicate of a game CD (lucas arts: republic commando) which is copy protected by some means or another.  anybody have a clue how i can make an exact copy of it?
[08:49] <gregg_> shadeofgrey, cdrdao is the best choice
[08:49] <goofrider> gregg_, does cdrdao clone protection as well?
[08:49] <gregg_> bno guarantees of course
[08:50] <shadeofgrey> okay
[08:50] <Shagma_> My dwl g122 crappes out on me, iwconfig reports sit0 no wireless extensions, but ndiswrapper is loaded with win drivers.
[08:50] <shadeofgrey> and k3b is a graphical front end for CDRDAO correct?
[08:50] <gregg_> goofrider, at least it is capable of raw reads and writes (subchannel data)
[08:50] <gregg_> shadeofgrey, no clue
[08:50] <goofrider> shadeofgrey, if u get desperate u can try and see if u can run clonecd in wine  :)
[08:50] <goofrider> gregg_, copy protection is not sub channel data, it's bad sectors
[08:51] <gregg_> and guess what? subchannel contains checksums
[08:51] <shadeofgrey> goofrider:  do you have a copy of CD clone for windows?
[08:51] <goofrider> shadeofgrey, u know the usual channels to obtians these stuff. this is not one  :)
[08:51] <goofrider> enuf said
[08:52] <hans_> how do i start cups?
[08:52] <goofrider> hans_, /etc/init.d/cups start???
[08:52] <danboid> how do I start the NFS server daemon on ubuntu?
[08:52] <goofrider> hans_, it should be started by default
[08:52] <waterbeetle> u may send your cd to a copying agency, and they will send it back with a copy...
[08:52] <goofrider> danboid, /etc/init.d/nfsd start????
[08:52] <hans_> goofrider i killed it
[08:53] <goofrider> waterbeetle, well maybe if u live in China or Russia
[08:53] <waterbeetle> yup, I do live in China
[08:53] <waterbeetle> send it here.
[08:53] <goofrider> most countries do not have such cd copying "agencies"
[08:53] <gregg_> goofrider, take a look at the --read-subchan and --read-raw options of cdrdao
[08:54] <waterbeetle> can also get you a dvd...
[08:54] <danboid> goofrider: no nfsd there- what packages need to be on?
[08:55] <goofrider> maybe it's nfs not nfsd?
[08:55] <goofrider> danboid, do u know u have it installed or no>
[08:55] <danboid> no
[08:55] <danboid> i've set up exposts and thats it
[08:55] <danboid> sorry, /etc/exports
[08:55] <gregg_> sudo apt-get install nfs-kernel-server
[08:55] <goofrider> danboid, dpkg -S nfs
[08:56] <gregg_> sudo /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start
[08:56] <waterbeetle> 85 Minglun Street,Kaifeng,Henan,China 475001
[08:56] <goofrider> gregg_, thanks
[08:56] <danboid> thanks gregg!
[08:56] <gregg_> that should do, danboid
[08:56] <Ahab> hi, can someone help me changing the defualt option in grub?  I need to take my machine in for repairs and wanted to make things easy on the guys in the shop and switch it to win xp.  I tried changing the 'savedefault' lines to defualt=0, 1, 2 etc. but that messed things up.
[08:56] <gregg_> maybe the package installation even automagically starts the daemon
[08:57] <goofrider> gregg_, I RTFM the options. it said nothing about raw bad sector read/write
[08:57] <gregg_> you simply talked about "bad sectors" - very unspecific
[08:57] <goofrider> gregg_, the subchannel features are good for copying CDROM XA, CD+G, etc, but not copy protection, AFAIK
[08:58] <gregg_> they can defeat several copy protections, which are based on "bad sectors"
[08:59] <yourghete1> quick question, how do i open man pages in konqueror? i just completely spaced here...
[08:59] <x_or> How do I set a static IP in ubuntu?
[08:59] <goofrider> gregg_, oh wait  u can be right, --read-raw might do it possibly
[09:00] <gregg_> x_or, edit /etc/network/interfaces
[09:00] <gregg_> there is also a manpage for this file available
[09:00] <x_or> Ok.
[09:01] <isai> hi
[09:01] <goofrider> yourghete1, u need to do man <cmd> from shell to read man pages
[09:02] <goofrider> yourghete1, you can install man2html as well though
[09:02] <isai> I want to connect my digitial camera to my computer, it has a ieee1394 port.
[09:02] <goofrider> yourghete1, dwww is great for reading doco using browser
[09:02] <isai> what program can I use to get video off it?
[09:02] <goofrider> yourghete1, install dwww, which will install man2html and info2www as well
[09:03] <goofrider> isai, digital camera (still)??? or camcorder?
[09:03] <isai> camcorder
[09:03] <goofrider> isai, not sure then
[09:04] <goofrider> isai, apt-cache search 1394
[09:04] <mediafly> Hi, what is the command to covert a wav file to mp3?  I am connecting the camcorder right now...
[09:07] <goofrider> super
[09:08] <goofrider> what's kino?
[09:08] <gregg_> kernel panic! whoosh! ping timeout :-)
[09:08] <isai> goofrider, check synaptic.
[09:08] <goofrider> gregg_, stfu
[09:08] <goofrider> isai, bleh
[09:11] <yourghete1> how do i tell festival to say something inside of a bash script?
[09:13] <Adyeths> I always do something like this when I want it to say something.....    echo Good afternoon. | festival --tts
[09:13] <yourghete1> oooh
[09:13] <yourghete1> ok will try
[09:13] <yourghete1> thanks
[09:13] <Adyeths> welcome
[09:14] <Jimmothy> where's perl usually found in the file systme?
[09:14] <Jimmothy> system*
[09:14] <goofrider> /usr/bin/perl?
[09:14] <osity> anyone know how to setup software raid 1
[09:14] <Jimmothy> thanks
[09:14] <goofrider> osity, i use LVM
[09:15] <osity> goofrider why??
[09:15] <goofrider> osity, u got raidtools already right?
[09:15] <goofrider> osity, I like LVM :P
[09:15] <osity> i've torn dow the setup about 20 times.....
[09:15] <goofrider> even my / is on LVM
[09:16] <goofrider> it's dabulous  :)
[09:16] <goofrider> fabulous
[09:16] <osity> goo: i would expect everything to be raided./
[09:16] <goofrider> osity, LVM on top of RAID is gr8  :)
[09:16] <osity> was lvm hardto setup
[09:16] <osity> i dont even know what is ...
[09:17] <Badness45> ok i install regionset how do i run it
[09:17] <goofrider> osity, I'm just saying LVM and RAID both uses device mirror modules
[09:17] <goofrider> so I might be of help to u to a point
[09:17] <goofrider> Badness45, the wiki and ubuntuguide should have all instructions
[09:17] <osity> i need a whole walk through unfortuanely.....i've done abour 20 partials! :)
[09:18] <goofrider> Badness45, come back when u have problems with those standard methods
[09:18] <Badness45> i been reading for the past hour
[09:18] <goofrider> osity, holy smoke
[09:18] <Badness45> it said to install regionset
[09:18] <goofrider> Badness45, run regionset in the terminal
[09:19] <osity> goofrider: starting to be a pita
[09:19] <Badness45> what command
[09:19] <goofrider> or something, use tab to autocomplete to find the right cmd
[09:19] <nalioth> Badness45: reading is power
[09:19] <goofrider> region<tab>
[09:19] <Badness45> i been reading
[09:19] <goofrider> nalioth, I don't think he's very good around the shell, that's all
[09:20] <goofrider> osity, that's why u should just do 1 set of mirror, and then use LVM on top of it
[09:20] <Badness45> (1) Install regionset; and (2) Run regionset WITH a DVD in your drive.
[09:20] <jazzka> hi!
[09:20] <goofrider> osity, and u can set up as many logical volume as u like without dealing with RAID at all
[09:20] <jazzka> where are tty files in ubuntu?
[09:21] <Badness45> that's what it say
[09:21] <goofrider> Badness45, then run regionset!!! :)
[09:21] <nalioth> jazzka: you have a fancy command called "locate"
[09:21] <goofrider> Badness45, open a terminal window and type regionset
[09:21] <nalioth> jazzka: it finds things
[09:22] <goofrider> jazzka, i just do find . -name tty
[09:22] <Badness45> no it say enter the region # for my drive
[09:22] <goofrider> find / -name tty
[09:22] <goofrider> hehe
[09:22] <goofrider> Badness45, what country do u live in?
[09:22] <Badness45> NY
[09:22] <Badness45> US
[09:22] <nalioth> 6 of one, half-dozen of t'other, fellas
[09:22] <goofrider> that's not a country
[09:23] <goofrider> Damn New Yorkers
[09:23] <goofrider> Badness45, that' s region 1
[09:23] <nalioth> goofrider: its Damn Yankees
[09:23] <Badness45> ok
[09:23] <waterbeetle> 6 is China
[09:24] <Badness45> xine still don't work
[09:24] <nalioth> nobody wants to talk about the PS3 with Cell technology?
[09:24] <Badness45> neither does vlc
[09:24] <klaym> hey anyone know of simple zombie shoot-em-up -style games for ubuntu?
[09:24] <waterbeetle> nalioth, that sounds dope
[09:24] <gregg_> nalioth, maybe
[09:24] <goofrider> Badness45, if you're unfamiliar with technical stuff about DVDs, try dvdrhelp.com and doom9.rg. Lots of tutorials there
[09:25] <nalioth> the xbox has 3 power4 procs in it, so it shouldn't be too shabby
[09:25] <gregg_> xbox 360 looks like shit, as usual
[09:25] <goofrider> nalioth, vaporware? no thanks
[09:25] <nalioth> vaporwhat? the xbox 360 has 3 power4 procs in it
[09:25] <goofrider> it's still not shipping
[09:25] <goofrider> :P
[09:25] <Badness45> forget it imma put back windows xp on my laptop to many hassles with this os
[09:25] <gregg_> the PS3 has 9 whatever-cores though ;)
[09:26] <goofrider> I hate the pre-launch ypes of ANY console
[09:26] <nalioth> but it has appeared in some really expensive videos heh heh heh
[09:26] <goofrider> hypes
[09:26] <isai> I taken video/audio off my camcorder using kino. But when I export and watch the movie, the video/audio is very choppy.
[09:26] <pepsi__> can i use breezy yet?
[09:26] <goofrider> pepsi, no
[09:26] <pepsi__> :(
[09:26] <nalioth> if the PS3 is what it's sposed to be, its gonna blow the xbox off the table (if they don't screw up the content)
[09:26] <gregg_> what will be new in breezy?
[09:26] <goofrider> isai, check  your firewire xfer rate I guess
[09:26] <isai> how?
[09:26] <tahorg> gregg_: the name !
[09:27] <gregg_> nalioth: I hope so. I don't want microsoft to "take over" the console market
[09:27] <pepsi> whatever happened to grumpy anyhow?
[09:27] <goofrider> nalioth, well, it still depends on what they do with the dev kit
[09:27] <goofrider> nalioth, xbox is nice cuz it's DX8 compat. Very low barrier for the devs
[09:27] <gregg_> some promised everything to be less confusing, compared to PS2 start
[09:27] <nalioth> goofrider: no matter what dev kit, some1 will find a way into it
[09:27] <gregg_> s/some/sony/
[09:28] <goofrider> nalioth, well it'll takes a couple yrs though, just like PS2
[09:28] <nalioth> so what kind of games are sony gonna put out that require 4 ps3s?
[09:28] <nalioth> cuz the cell procs can network
[09:29] <goofrider> gregg_, yes it should be less confusing cuz cell is symatrical. Unlike the PS2 arch where the 2 VUs are  asymmetrical
[09:29] <dlh> why isn't mplayer in the packages ??
[09:29] <nalioth> dlh are your sources augmented from original?
[09:29] <dlh> nakata, augmented?:P
[09:30] <nalioth> who can show dlh the URL for the restricted formats wiki?
[09:30] <goofrider> I liked the GameCube. It's not powerful I know but it's just a very efficent design
[09:30] <dlh> yeah, who's the man?!:p
[09:31] <goofrider> http://ubuntullinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:31] <nalioth> goofrider: nobody knows whats inside the new gamecube, except for 802.something
[09:31] <dlh> goofrider, thanks:)
[09:31] <goofrider> nalioth, powerpc 603
[09:31] <goofrider> and artx GPU
[09:31] <nobile> is there a program like dreamweaver for linux in ubuntu?
[09:32] <nalioth> goofrider: put down that spliff
[09:32] <goofrider> nobile, Nvu is close enough
[09:32] <nobile> thanks!
[09:32] <Levander> if there a command line IRC client that connect me into IRC, and logs a channel? Auto-reconnecting as necessary, etc.?
[09:32] <goofrider> nalioth, look at the mobo pics again, the chips are labelled  :P
[09:32] <gregg_> Levander: irssi
[09:32] <dlh> Levander, BitchX ?
[09:32] <nalioth> Levander: irssi? bitchx? ircII?
[09:33] <gregg_> bitchx is _really_ _bad_
[09:33] <nalioth> goofrider: ya gotta be shi***n me
[09:33] <tanaso> Alguien que hable castellano?
[09:33] <goofrider> nalioth, actually i'm just take shit
[09:33] <nalioth> tanaso: espanol hablamos en el #ubuntu-es
[09:33] <goofrider> nalioth, but those are the specs AFAIK
[09:33] <tanaso> gracias
[09:33] <nalioth> goofrider: as i said, put down the spliff
[09:34] <Levander> nalioth: dlh: do these programs do this without any GUI attached, i just want to run it in the background
[09:34] <nobile> hmm  it doesn't appear in synaic
[09:34] <goofrider> nalioth, u have any reason to believe it's NOT a PPC603?
[09:34] <nalioth> Levander: irssi (i'm using it now) has no gui
[09:34] <Levander> nalioth: yeah, but I meant no output to the user at all on the screen
[09:34] <nobile> and I have done the universal thing to get the other programs
[09:34] <nalioth> goofrider: cuz the moto 603 is....farkling ANCIENT