[21:50] <Zarrku> Hello is anyone around
[21:51] <Zarrku> I need to be able to create a mass of users with usernames and passwords the same
[21:51] <Zarrku> like Username: dt1000 Password:dt1000
[21:52] <Zarrku> also being in the same group
[21:52] <Zarrku> basically from 1000 - 1100
[21:52] <alkisg>  man newusers
[21:54] <Zarrku> So, I would need to create a new user dt1000 - dt1100 and have them in a certain group
[21:54] <Zarrku> yep
[21:54] <alkisg> newusers does what you're asking, see the man page
[21:57] <Zarrku> you mean the newusers command
[21:57] <alkisg> Yes
[22:00] <Zarrku> I dont see it on the main page
[22:00] <alkisg> The command is: man newusers
[22:01] <alkisg> I wrote it above
[22:01] <Zarrku> oh
[22:01] <Zarrku> man newusers
[22:01] <alkisg> If you're not on a linux machine now, use the website: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/newusers
[22:01] <alkisg> That's the way to "read the man page"
[22:03] <Zarrku> well that harder then I thought is was going to be
[22:03] <Zarrku> thats
[22:03] <Zarrku> heh
[22:04] <Zarrku> wish I could just port the users I have in my cent os linux over to ubuntu
[22:04] <Zarrku> but since cent os is redhat based, that want work
[22:05] <alkisg> Zarrku: it's not hard, you just make a colon-separated .csv file in openoffice
[22:05] <alkisg> You could also export them with a small script
[22:05] <Zarrku> they have a 4 digit user name
[22:05] <Zarrku> in the old linux
[22:06] <alkisg> You can do that in ubuntu too. It's not adviced, but it's doable
[22:06] <Zarrku> I can export them with webmin
[22:07] <Zarrku> but the users in cent os or located in a different directory
[22:07] <Zarrku> then ubuntu
[22:07] <alkisg> You mean e.g. /path/to/other/home? That's configurable too.
[22:07] <Zarrku> yeah


[00:04] <bryce> TwoToneSpirit, sounds like you need MPX
[00:11] <TwoToneSpirit> MPX looks amazing and I'm definitely psyched for it, but isn't that designed for use on the same interface?  I guess my deeper question is this:  Can a single instance of X drive multiple computers at the same time?
[00:22] <bryce> no, but there are various technologies out there that allow you to share between multiple computers
[00:23] <bryce> I don't know what I'd recommend particularly offhand, but as you do more research I think you'll see you have lots of options beyond X for doing this
[06:14] <Sarvatt> well that took all darn day
[06:14] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/ppa-purge.sh
[06:14]  * Sarvatt fails at scripts
[06:15] <Sarvatt> got it working so you can use it to remove any PPA instead of just edgers, it just defaults to edgers
[06:20] <Sarvatt> testing of it would be appreciated :)
[06:21] <Sarvatt> havent been able to screw anything up yet at least, removed 9 PPAs so far
[06:22] <virtuald> nice! now make me a script to search /usr for files not belonging to any package :p
[06:23] <virtuald> actually rkhunter or checkrootkit or what its name was might have that
[06:28] <Sarvatt> hmm cant use -v as the last (or only) option but it works if theres something after it, oops
[06:38] <hyperair> virtuald: find /usr -type f | xargs dpkg -S > /dev/null
[06:38] <virtuald> thank you :)
[06:38] <hyperair> :)
[06:40] <virtuald> that's a lot
[06:40] <virtuald> it listed like a million python files
[06:43] <virtuald> needed -print0 too
[07:00] <hyperair> -print0?
[07:01] <hyperair> ah, and xargs -0
[07:01] <hyperair> i've learnt something new today =O
[07:04] <hyperair> Sarvatt: you should create a package which contains that script, or better yet, include that functionality into the computer janitor application
[07:04] <hyperair> i reckon it'd be pretty useful
[07:05] <Sarvatt> ah darn
[07:05] <Sarvatt> E: Release 'karmic' for 'libdrm-radeon1' was not found
[07:05] <Sarvatt> need to handle that better :D
[07:06] <hyperair> hahah
[07:27] <Sarvatt> hope theres some way to have apt-get install ignore non existant packages or else i'm going to have to work another package comparison against the ubuntu package list which will be tougher because its stored with the mirror name in it
[07:34] <hyperair> try parsing the output of apt-cache policy
[07:34] <hyperair> and maybe the return value
[07:59] <Sarvatt> phew, just switching it from apt-get to aptitude works, it ignores the error
[07:59] <hyperair> =O
[08:00] <hyperair> actually using aptitude might result in strange results
[08:00] <hyperair> if aptitude can't find an exact match, it uses it as a regex
[08:03] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/script.txt
[08:03] <hyperair> nice.
[08:03]  * Sarvatt wonders if theres an Apt::foo::bar command to make it ignore the missing files
[08:07] <Sarvatt> hmm, could have it apt-get install $APTLINE then aptitude install $APTLINE after since it wouldnt do anything if apt-get worked
[08:07] <Sarvatt> sick of looking at it for today lol
[08:07] <hyperair> hahah
[08:07] <hyperair> why don't you refrain from adding missing packages into the APTLINE?
[08:30] <tjaalton> #&¤/"!(% ffox fails to refresh some pages
[08:32] <tjaalton> all I get is either the previous page drawn on it, or whatever happens to be under the window
[08:33] <tjaalton> go nvidia
[08:35] <tseliot> tjaalton: what version of the driver is that?
[08:35] <tjaalton> 180, jaunty
[08:36] <tseliot> nvidia released a bugfix update yesterday
[08:36] <tjaalton> for instance loading a buglist from bugzilla.redhat.com fails
[08:36] <tjaalton> the page loads, but the view isn't refreshed
[08:37] <tjaalton> this happens on my intel laptop too, when I restart the browser session, although then it's enough to minimize the windows
[08:37] <tjaalton> random crap on some of the windows until I do that
[08:38] <tseliot> how much RAM does your system have and what card are you using?
[08:38] <tseliot> (nvidia)
[08:38] <tjaalton> 4GB, 9600GT
[08:38] <tseliot> is PAE enabled?
[08:39] <tjaalton> it was the same with 8600GT, but the card had too little memory for compiz to be usable on a 30" screen
[08:39] <tjaalton> dunno
[08:39] <tjaalton> stock jaunty, so don't think it is
[08:39] <tseliot> ok
[08:40] <tseliot> does it happen only with firefox?
[08:40] <tjaalton> yes
[08:40] <tjaalton> not that I use much else than ffox and g-t
[08:45] <tseliot> does it happen when compiz is disabled?
[08:45] <tjaalton> it would ruin my desktop layout :)
[08:45] <tjaalton> but maybe I should try..
[09:58] <tjaalton> now ffox crashed and I can't reproduce it
[09:58] <tjaalton> and what's more fun is that I get different results from the query from two different computers. bugzilla is a real mystery
[10:55] <tseliot> heh
[11:03] <Sarvatt> haha
[11:04] <Sarvatt> added the ppa-purge package to edgers but i just realized its going to remove itself because of the way it works
[12:25] <Sarvatt> ahh ok figured out how to make a .symbols for libdrm-radeon1, just had to run dpkg-gensymbols after building it
[12:27] <Sarvatt> i dont know what was in 2.4.11 and what was in 2.4.12 though, just going to put everything at 2.4.12
[12:51] <Sarvatt> when symbols are removed should i add the #MISSING line or just remove the symbol?
[12:52] <Sarvatt> - dma@Base 2.4.4
[12:52] <Sarvatt> +#MISSING: 2.4.12+git20090729# dma@Base 2.4.4
[12:54] <tjaalton> duh, so 2.4.12-1u1 doesn't have libdrm-radeon1
[12:55] <tjaalton> or install, rather
[12:55] <Sarvatt> yeah need to --enable-radeon-experimental-api=yes for it to build, i've been making libdrm-radeon1 packages on edgers
[12:56] <tjaalton> oh, ok
[13:12] <tjaalton> mvo: why does dpkg sometimes fail with the error "package foo is already installed and configured"?
[13:12] <tjaalton> mvo: there are many bugs with a random package failing because of that
[13:18] <mvo> tjaalton: its often a followup failure from a earlier error, sometimes it seems to be releated to triggers. if it does not fit any of the two, please show me a example and I have a look
[13:18] <mvo> tjaalton: I suspect there might be a new bug somewhere, but so far I was not able to fnd anything
[13:19] <tjaalton> mvo: ok I'll try to find a good example
[13:19] <mvo> thanks!
[13:30] <tjaalton> mvo: for instance bug 397718 which I happened to close already
[13:31] <tjaalton> there was some issue with the initramfs update, not libxcb
[13:35]  * mvo looks
[14:41] <Sarvatt> odd, dropped like 600 karma when i pushed a new bazaar branch
[14:43] <Sarvatt> pushed that ppa-purge package up to xorg-edgers bzr incase anyone else wants to mess around with it
[14:44] <tjaalton> now that's a headline; lp hates bzr ;)
[14:44] <Sarvatt> surprised it actually works as well as it does, i managed to completely switch from xorg-testing to karmic to xorg-edgers and back to karmic fine. was expecting things to blow up because of all the changes in xorg 7.5
[14:48] <tjaalton> nice
[15:00] <Sarvatt> they broke the video abi yet again a few days ago on xserver master, and i think the nvidia guy is about to push more breakage so i'm not updating the 7.5 ppa for another week probably
[15:01] <tjaalton> at least XI2 is ready for branching
[15:02] <tjaalton> which is nice, but I'm not sure if it includes XKB2
[15:04] <Sarvatt> i dont see any XKB2 branches anywhere, might be included in XI2?
[15:04] <Sarvatt> or maybe thats coming in 2.1
[15:05] <Sarvatt> looks like input proto is stabalized, all the latest commits are doc updates http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/proto/inputproto/log/
[15:06] <tjaalton> that's what peter said on the list
[15:09] <Sarvatt> jcristau: why dont we use  -- -c4 for pixman libxi or libx11 dh_makeshlibs?
[15:10] <Sarvatt> libxext too
[15:11] <Sarvatt> ahh libx11 and libxext dont have symbols
[15:11] <Sarvatt> i missed that libxi had new symbols for a few weeks because i was expecting it to fail to build, oops
[15:19] <Sarvatt> surprised xserver-xorg-video-ati has gone over 2 weeks now without being able to build against xserver 1.6.2+ when libdrm-radeon1 exists
[15:29] <Sarvatt> yay, ya dropped 01_gen_pciids.patch from -nv :D
[15:30] <tjaalton> yep
[15:30] <tjaalton> wonder how many bugs that alone fixes..
[15:30] <Sarvatt> intel does need a no change rebuild once xserver builds though for the new dri2 stuff
[15:30] <Sarvatt> lol probably 50% of them
[15:31] <Sarvatt> theres at least 50 cards that werent getting supported by -nv that should have been, not to mention now all 7xxx IGP's work instead of just the 2 explicitly added in the patch
[15:32] <Sarvatt> hope pixman stable releases before karmic freezes, plan on buying a arm board to mess with and that should be a good speedup
[15:33] <Sarvatt> hmm
[15:33] <Sarvatt>    - Enable support for X11 input hotplugging:
[15:33] <Sarvatt>      + debian/rules: Do not remove 10-x11-input.fdi, we want to install it by
[15:33] <Sarvatt>        default.
[15:33] <Sarvatt> in the latest hal
[15:34] <Sarvatt> doesnt that duplicate the one in xorg meta?
[15:34] <tjaalton> heh, right
[15:34] <tjaalton> hmm not sure
[15:35] <Sarvatt> doesnt look like it does, my mistake
[15:35] <Sarvatt> was the keymap one i was thinking of
[15:35] <tjaalton> yep
[15:37] <Sarvatt> btw patch 104 in -nv can be dropped, the 9100m support is bogus and the 6600gt addition breaks things because it forces the default options instead of the 6600gt specific ones that would get used if the driver probes behind the agp bridge
[15:37] <tjaalton> ok, good
[15:38] <Sarvatt> the 7300GT patch as well actually
[15:38] <Sarvatt> 10DE02E2 is the agp/pci-e bridge chip pci id, the driver would probe behind that and match the actual 7300GT chipset
[15:39] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/git/cgit.cgi/xf86-video-nv/commit/?id=8004d703d8607602a638c4030d80fdd52421516c
[15:39] <Sarvatt> thats a list of all the agp/pci-e bridge chip pci-ids that we dont want to add to the table
[15:41] <tjaalton> ok, I'll drop those and upload
[15:41] <Sarvatt> sorry to mention all that *after* you uploaded
[15:41] <tjaalton> np
[15:43] <Sarvatt> do you know of any reason evdev would be adding keyboard devices for my webcams? they dont have physical buttons or anything
[15:43] <tjaalton> maybe hal shows them having input.foo
[15:43] <tjaalton> lshal
[15:49] <Sarvatt> ahh yep http://sarvatt.com/downloads/video.txt
[17:18] <jcristau> Sarvatt: yeah -c4 would make sense for libXi
[19:03] <Sarvatt> ohhh, apparently usplash not working might be related to my 1024x600 screen in KMS? does anyone actually have a usplash progress bar in KMS or do all these bug reporters just happen to be on netbooks too? :D
[19:07] <Sarvatt> i finally broke down and got a core dump to look into it more and i cant find any usplash intel KMS bugs that arent for 1024x600 screens
[19:09] <Sarvatt> complete report -- 84k reduced report for low bandwidth -- 971k :D
[19:10] <Sarvatt> yep same as all of the bug reports, segfault in memset_var()
[19:11] <hyperair> i'm not on a netbook!
[19:11] <Sarvatt> you dont see a progress bar either?
[19:11] <hyperair> 1280x800 and no usplash progress bar.
[19:11] <Sarvatt> you have a weird setup that isnt expected to work anyway though lol
[19:11] <hyperair> pah =(
[19:12] <hyperair> it works without KMS
[19:12] <hyperair> i haven't tried booting with splash on the recent kernels though
[19:12] <hyperair> i'm content with having a bunch of penguins sit on top my my console while i type my password in
[19:13] <Sarvatt> they dont care about people that have the encrypted password entries from what i read on gobby at UDS, if ya have that they throw the kitchen sink in the initramfs and say to heck with your boot times :D
[19:13] <hyperair> O_o what?
[19:14] <hyperair> well actually my boot time is pretty good
[19:14] <hyperair> just the login time that sucks
[19:14] <hyperair> you obviously can't really time the boot time when you've got a password prompt.
[19:14] <Sarvatt> power usage has been really bad for me on karmic
[19:14] <hyperair> it was worse previously, but getting better
[19:14] <hyperair> i can hit somewhere around 2.5-3h
[19:15] <Sarvatt> i went from 6.7W idle usage to 10.5 since april
[19:15] <hyperair> oh shutup >=(
[19:15] <hyperair> mine's 20W.
[19:15] <Sarvatt> Power usage (ACPI estimate): 10.8W (0.9 hours) :(
[19:15] <hyperair> it was better in intrepid though
[19:15] <hyperair> i could push it down to 15W in intrepid.
[19:16] <Sarvatt> ah i havent moved my acpi-support ac.d and battery.d scripts over to pm-utils yet actually... that'd explain it
[19:16] <hyperair> O_o
[19:17] <Sarvatt> they dropped acpi-support scripts, i had a ton of tweaks in there that helped
[19:18] <Sarvatt> hmm b43 wont let me change txpower anymore either
[19:19] <hyperair> hmm i wonder if i can change the txpower here on iwlagn
[19:21] <Sarvatt> you're compiling your own kernels arent you? have you tried PHC?
[19:21] <Sarvatt> not that atoms use much power but i was undervolting it alot before with no problems
[19:26] <Sarvatt> _wow_ i'm amazed at all of the stuff that was removed from ubuntu-desktop, i just reinstalled it with no extra packages needed
[19:30] <cwillu_clone> I seem to have an X memory leak, running nvidia-180 w/ compiz.  Xorg is showing 1.1g resident with 1918m virt after 3 hours, xrestop shows 45m total allocated
[19:32] <cwillu_clone> xorg 1:7.4+3ubuntu5
[19:33] <cwillu_clone> machine was nearly hardlocked this morning, x has similar memory usage
[19:35] <Sarvatt> you arent the only one i've heard that from using nvidia too
[19:35] <cwillu_clone> just recently?
[19:35] <Sarvatt> yep past week
[19:35] <cwillu_clone> okay
[19:36] <hyperair> Sarvatt: i've been compiling kernels *for* PHC.
[19:36] <Sarvatt> checked nvnews.net forums cwillu?
[19:36] <Sarvatt> ah! lol
[19:36] <Sarvatt> its a shame thats not in mainline, i miss being able to massively undervolt my turion in windows
[19:37] <cwillu_clone> Sarvatt, I generally try to avoid forums, as though they contained a deadly plague that could infect my mind by merely reading them :p
[19:37] <Sarvatt> oh its not as bad as the fox news forums you hate over there, actual nvidia linux devs on there
[19:37] <Sarvatt> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=14
[19:37] <cwillu_clone> ah, neat :)
[19:38] <cwillu_clone> "fox news forums", is that the new term for ubuntuforums?
[19:38] <Sarvatt> thats what you coined it :)
[19:38] <cwillu_clone> I coined it?
[19:38]  * cwillu_clone checks his logs
[19:39] <Sarvatt> i wouldnt be surprised if its nvidia-settings causing the problems
[19:40] <Sarvatt> dont see anything in the first few pages :(
[19:40] <cwillu_clone> I got the impression that they're already discouraging 180 in preference to 185 or even 190
[19:42]  * cwillu_clone curses, did they _really_ need to put a captcha on the search!?
[19:42] <cwillu_clone> no hits for 'leak' in the last two weeks
[19:43] <cwillu_clone> and I can't do another search for another 21 seconds... :p
[19:43]  * hyperair scratches his head and wonders why the power usage won't drop further
[19:45] <Sarvatt> oh thats new
[19:45] <Sarvatt> Version: 185.18.29
[19:45] <Sarvatt> Operating System: Linux x86
[19:45] <Sarvatt> Release Date: July 28, 2009
[19:45] <Sarvatt> yeah the settings are screwed up using the 180.25 nvidia-settings for some things :(
[19:47] <cwillu_clone> i.e., even with nvidia-settings not running as far as I can see?
[19:49] <hyperair> hmm how strange.
[19:50] <Sarvatt> how much memory does pmap say its using?
[19:50] <hyperair> with gdm stopped, and just a screen session running, 18W of power.
[19:51] <Sarvatt> sudo pmap $(pidof X)
[19:52] <cwillu_clone> working on it :p
[19:53] <cwillu_clone> 1941764k
[19:53] <Sarvatt> wow
[19:53] <cwillu_clone> 523mb in an [anon] block
[19:54] <Sarvatt> 57380k here
[19:54] <cwillu_clone> plus another 123mb, a 270mb, a 221mb, 311mb, 322mb, all [anon]
[19:54] <cwillu_clone> that's all the big ones that I can see
[19:54] <cwillu_clone> everything else is 30mb or less
[19:54] <Sarvatt> tried drivers from nvidia to see if its any difference?
[19:55] <Sarvatt> any different rather
[19:55] <cwillu_clone> not yet, only noticed it this morning when the machine was unresponsive
[19:55] <cwillu_clone> my home machine hasn't had any issues with 180 or 185
[19:55] <cwillu_clone> this one is on karmic, home machine is still jaunty
[19:56] <cwillu_clone> I'm kinda wondering if pixmapcachesize is affecting this at all
[19:56] <Sarvatt> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=136271
[19:56] <cwillu_clone> same setting here and at home, but who knows
[19:57] <cwillu_clone> 400mb isn't unusual for me though
[19:57] <cwillu_clone> useevents isn't showing up in my log, nor am I using kde4 (although somebody did mention related troubles with gnome+compiz, although he didn't include any links)
[19:58] <cwillu_clone> restarting compiz didn't affect the memory usage at all that I noticed
[19:59] <Sarvatt> it didnt affect it when there was a leak in the intel mesa drivers either, had to just not have it enabled at boot
[20:00] <cwillu_clone> fair enough
[20:02] <Sarvatt> might be the same I mean, dunno
[20:59] <Sarvatt> anyone hip to the apport-retrace foo? not sure what I want to do here, installed all the dbgsym packages but i think i just screwed up and removed the core dump from the report
[21:01] <Sarvatt> sudo apport-retrace -v --confirm -r /var/crash/_sbin_usplash.0.crash --no-pkg -g 406569
[21:01] <Sarvatt> that sound right?
[21:02] <Sarvatt> sweet, that worked, got a gdb session with the dump
[21:06] <cwillu_clone> ugh, swap thrashing
[21:07] <cwillu_clone> no, STOP trying to page firefox in, let the ssh process work!
[21:07] <cwillu_clone> let me KILL stuff!
[21:07] <cwillu_clone> nooooooo!
[21:11] <cwillu_clone> firefox finally oom'd :p
[21:11] <cwillu_clone> I guess Xorg is concerned immune to that?
[21:56] <bryce> sheesh, it's already 2pm.  what a morning.
[22:19] <bryce> Sarvatt, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/236145/
[22:21] <Sarvatt> ah that doesnt have packages in ubuntu does it? its failing for things that dont have packages in ubuntu, need to make it just purge those after if that happens
[22:22] <bryce> no gtg is in universe for karmic afaik
[22:22] <bryce> bryce@chideok:~/bin$ apt-cache madison gtg
[22:22] <bryce>        gtg |    0.1.2-1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic/universe Packages
[22:22] <bryce>        gtg |    0.1.2-1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic/universe Sources
[22:22] <bryce> anyway, no biggie, that was just some random ppa in my sources.list, let's try xorg-edgers...
[22:23] <bryce> Sarvatt, at least it did comment out the entry properly
[22:24] <bryce> Sarvatt, btw notice I had to put "foo" on the command line in order to get the script to run; without that it kept giving me usage directions
[22:24] <Sarvatt> it should remove the karmic ones fine then, theres a problem with it needing the -t /tmp added (or just random characters at the end) too. it fails when there isnt a package in the ubuntu archives with the same name right now
[22:25] <Sarvatt> started needing the extra string at the end when i made it so it didnt default to xorg-edgers when you run it with no options, i suck at scripts :D
[22:25] <Sarvatt> i used auto-xorg-git as the base pretty much
[22:27] <Sarvatt> for edgers it doesnt remove libdrm-radeon1
[22:27] <Sarvatt> since its not in the archives
[22:28] <Sarvatt> doesnt hurt anything though, i put a message to manually remove it if the ppa is xorg-edgers
[22:28] <bryce> Sarvatt, patch: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/236147/
[22:29] <bryce> wait
[22:29] <bryce> yeah that patch looks ok
[22:30] <bryce> if called with no options it gives the usage error and does not default to xorg-edgers
[22:31] <bryce> ok, with that change it ran through disabling xorg-edgers properly, and reinstalling drivers
[22:31] <Sarvatt> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+junk/ppa-purge
[22:32] <bryce> heh, yeah I recognize the coding style, strangely familiar ;-)
[22:33] <bryce> why "+junk"?
[22:34] <bryce> (this script's too cool to be called junk :-))
[22:36] <Sarvatt> oh thats exactly the change i added so it would return the help when you call it with no options
[22:36] <Sarvatt> dunno that was the default on some guide i was looking at, not a bzr fan :D
[22:37] <Sarvatt> easy enough to move it somewhere else, no revisions :D
[22:38] <Sarvatt> oh i went and made -n not initalize to anything with the intention of having a check if the variable was null to replace that section you had in the patch, but got sick of looking at it this morning :D
[22:38] <bryce> ok, I can hack that in
[22:39] <Sarvatt> the removal line at the end needs work, i didnt know what to do there
[22:41] <Sarvatt> the reason i did the fallback to aptitude thing was because apt-get errors if you try to install package/$DIST and it doesnt exist for the dist, aptitude at least removes everything but leaves the non existing package
[22:41] <Sarvatt> couldnt find any way around it with apt-get and just needed something that would work without spending 4 more hours writing up another comparison against the ubuntu package list
[22:41] <Sarvatt> because those dont have standard names :(
[22:42] <Sarvatt> what should it be listed as? i dont know anything about  bzr and all the guides were saying use +junk if it doesnt have a package, only reason I did it :D
[22:47] <bryce> ok, pushed a change for -n
[22:51] <bryce> hmm
[22:51] <bryce> I'm leaning towards just "tools" or "scripts" or something
[22:52] <bryce> or even just "main"
[22:52] <bryce> let's see what the qa team does, they have a lot of bzr trees
[22:53] <bryce> ah
[22:53] <bryce> ~ubuntu-qa/sru-tools/trunk
[22:53] <Sarvatt> bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "~xorg-edgers/ppa-purge/ubuntu/": : Project 'ppa-purge' does not exist.
[22:54] <Sarvatt> maybe if i made a project?
[22:54] <bryce> nah
[22:54] <bryce> what command were you attempting?
[22:54] <Sarvatt> bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:54] <Sarvatt> looks like i can just make a new ppa-purge project to do it though
[22:55] <bryce> ok
[23:01] <Sarvatt> bingo
[23:01] <Sarvatt> bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:02] <Sarvatt> had to tell it its a project first so it'd let me
[23:03] <Sarvatt> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/ppa-purge/ubuntu
[23:04] <Sarvatt> deleting the +junk one, pushed it with your changes to the better name
[23:04] <bryce> awesome
[23:13] <Sarvatt> so that change you made makes the trailing text the old -n command?
[23:14] <Sarvatt> oh $1 gotcha
[23:17] <Sarvatt> its freaking handy though, surprised noone made something like this before. its a pain in the butt removing my PPAs because theres so many packages and outside of packages that arent in ubuntu (only libdrm-radeon1 that i've run into out of 9 PPAs i've run it on) it works pretty well
[23:18] <Sarvatt> theres probably going to be errors with it if people have the same ppa in multiple .lists
[23:21] <Sarvatt> it probably should always be verbose, only added that because I had a bunch of options in there for debugging to see what it was doing
[23:22] <bryce> yeah I agree it seems odd that someone hasn't already made something like this
[23:22] <bryce> although, something in the back of my head is saying I did run across some sort of ppa manager at one point
[23:25] <Sarvatt> thinking about guifing it with zenity at some point
[23:25] <Sarvatt> but i dont know how that works on KDE
[23:26] <bryce> should work fine on kde
[23:26] <bryce> I think


[23:28] <Creed> Pelo, when a company gets bought over, specially by someone who sides with the MAFIAA, its wise to stop using anything new that gets released from their collaboration until it gets proven that there are no "backdoors" or monitoring tools. I mainly torrent unlicensed anime and linux distros but for many its a darker story.
[23:28] <Pelo> kevin1,  my suggestion is to copy an existing line and edit the devtree and the mount point
[23:28] <GenNMX> ChrisC35: Ubuntu will give you the option to setup the partitions, or do it automatically. You want to setup the partitions yourself.
[23:28] <jrib> kevin1: no, 01 is wrong
[23:28] <jrib> !fstab > kevin1
[23:28] <GenNMX> ChrisC35: How many HDDs do you have for RAID, and what size are they?
[23:28] <Creed> lauchazombie, lol I love bash :) I woud live there forever if I could but I was giving this machine to a friend who wanted compiz
[23:28] <Fryguy--> GenNMX: are we launching missile silos or something? since when do linux file systems corrupt often enough to be coming  up with crazy overcomplicated partition setups?
[23:28] <moDumass> hey all, so last friday i "upgraded" distro changed to gutsy, i got compiz workin, but i have no system tray.. i cant tell if some apps are minimised to tray, once in a while i check on system processes and kill a whole lot of apps
[23:29] <Pelo> Creed,  go and review the issue, you are very missinformed
[23:29] <moDumass> how do i get my system tray back
[23:29] <attunix> Creed: lol
[23:29] <moDumass> ?
[23:29] <attunix> moDumass: you mean the panels?
[23:29] <ChrisC35> GenNMX I have 2 500gig satas
[23:29] <alvaro> como passo pra um chat br?
[23:29] <GenNMX> ChrisC35: OK, so you're doing RAID 1.
[23:29] <attunix> moDumass: or the little information bar in the upper right?
[23:29] <Fastn> d4rkmonkey, i get this: compiz       compiz.real  compose
[23:29] <Pici> !br | alvaro
[23:29] <lauchazombie> Creed, well that made me love bash especially the browser linxs
[23:29] <ubotu> alvaro: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[23:29] <attunix> alvaro: escreve isso:
[23:29] <attunix> alvaro: /join #ubuntu-br
[23:29] <GenNMX> ChrisC35: What will be storing in /home?
[23:29] <d4rkmonkey> Fastn there, compiz, exactly the file you need
[23:29] <cpt> question: I ran the video test in Cedega, i Passed OpenGL, and i failed 3d Acceleration test, I have passed this test before, when i had 7.04. I heard there was some info on the Cedega forums, but that info didnt aply to my problem. I have a intel 915GM card. Anyone able to help me please?
[23:29] <end0r57> Pelo: that doesn't work...
[23:30] <Creed> lauchazombie, links is pretty sweet, comes in handy at work (pretty restrictive firewall...ssh is open though :)).
[23:30] <threeseas> ok, if there are certain directories I should backup to save my personal data what are they ? my home directory with hidden files too and ??? /etc???
[23:30] <ChrisC35> GenNMX yes RAID1. but i would prefer a simple process as possible, as Im just learning , and I need to get this setup today
[23:30] <Pelo> end0r57, try changing the owner  man chown
[23:30] <GenNMX> Fryguy--: "Overcomplicated"? It's the standard setup for most distros.
[23:30] <Fastn> d4rkmonkey, so i need to get into /usr/bin/compiz then ?
[23:30] <kevin1> Pelo, jrib, thanks for responding, I did copy an existing one and edited it to what i think is right, is 01 wrong because it needs to be  0 1 ?
[23:30] <Fryguy--> GenNMX: can you name more than 1 distro that makes more than 2 partitions standard?
[23:30] <d4rkmonkey> Fastn yeah, so run something like sudo gedit /usr/bin/compiz
[23:30] <d4rkmonkey> Fastn that'll open up gedit to edit the file
[23:31] <kkathman> !emerald
[23:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emerald - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:31] <kkathman> argh
[23:31] <jrib> kevin1: that is true, but it is still wrong to have a 1 there (see the note at the bottom of "man fstab")
[23:31] <Fastn> okey
[23:31] <Creed> Pelo, I'm not telling people not to use newever utorrent or utorrent in general because of the new owners, I'm simply expressing my opinion on the matter. If I am misinformed then thats my problem :) Everyone has faults...I'll learn the truth when I feel like it, but for now I'd rather just stick to my beliefs.
[23:31] <Pelo> kevin1,  yes,  0 and 1 are seperated
[23:31] <kevin1> jrib, my ubuntu install has that
[23:31] <fpauls> virtualbox help anyone?
[23:31] <GenNMX> Fryguy--: *shrugs* Look it up yourself.
[23:31] <jrib> kevin1: yes, I know
[23:31] <lauchazombie> Creed, well today when i upgraded and had to install mi nvidia driver linxs saved my big time
[23:31] <Pelo> !offtopic | Creed
[23:31] <jrcdude> Hey, can someone help me out in private chat?
[23:31] <ubotu> Creed: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[23:31] <Creed> fpauls, ask away
[23:31] <Creed> !offtopic | Pelo
[23:31] <jrib> kevin1: it is correct for the root partition
[23:31] <ubotu> Pelo: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[23:31] <kevin1> jrib , but for a partitio ot would be wrong?
[23:31] <Fryguy--> GenNMX: I have and I know the answer, which is 0.  I'm wondering why you are making unsubstantiated claims?
[23:31] <jrib> Creed: do not abuse the bot
[23:31] <GenNMX> ChrisC35: Well you're installing the server version, right?
[23:32] <kevin1> jrib ok i see
[23:32] <end0r57> Pelo: thanks a lot... got it
[23:32] <fpauls> how do i install guest additions im new to linux
[23:32] <riotkittie> sigh.
[23:32] <jrib> kevin1: right, it should be 2 for other partitions
[23:32] <cosmodad> after upgrading to gutsy, my wifi device's name has changed from wlan0 to eth1. How can I revert that?
[23:32] <lauchazombie> jdong, your deb make it, again thanks
[23:32] <Skratz0r> UBUNTU PWNS!
[23:32] <Pelo> fpauls,  guest additions ?
[23:32] <Skratz0r> I LOVE IT
[23:32] <lauchazombie> made it*
[23:32] <Skratz0r> :D
[23:32] <ChrisC35> GenNMX no the client install - not server
[23:32] <jrcdude> Can someone help me out with Xserver?
[23:32] <fpauls> in virtualbox
[23:32] <Pelo> jrcdude,  ask a specific question
[23:32] <Skratz0r> hey guys, I  had this one problem
[23:33] <GenNMX> ChrisC35: So you're doing a RAID 1 on your workstation?
[23:33] <Pici> !ask
[23:33] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[23:33] <Fastn> d4rkmonkey, is it only this line that i need to comment out? T="$T 8086:2982 8086:2992 8086:29a2 8086:2a02 8086:2a12"  # intel 965
[23:33] <Pelo> fpauls,  you'll hvae to ask in a virtualbox chanel, i think it's  #vbox
[23:33] <ChrisC35> GenNMX my plan is to use ubuntu client ver, and run a vmware centos dev ser in there too
[23:33] <Skratz0r> I coldn't seem to get my ubuntu livecd to get airport to connect to my WIFI
[23:33] <vocx> Attention all users: there is a new subforum on virtualization in ubuntuforums.org   The sticky has a lot of useful information to get you started. Personally I think VirtualBox is really easy for the novice, and is smaller than VMWare Server.
[23:33] <Skratz0r> Any reason why?
[23:33] <rambo3> !nvu
[23:33] <ubotu> kompozer is a WYSIWYG HTML editor for easily creating web pages, and the continuation of the dead Nvu project.  It will be in the Ubuntu repos for 7.10 ("gutsy"); meanwhile for other versions add the following to your /etc/apt/sources.list:  "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tonyyarusso/ubuntu {edgy,feisty} universe"  (pick your release and list it without brackets, and no quotes)
[23:33] <kevin1> jrib, 0 2? i want to make it readable and writeable for all users, does this look right? -- /dev/sda4 /media/disk ext3 defaults, errors=remount-rw 0 2
[23:33] <ChrisC35> GenNMX yes it will be my file server,  my linux try out workstation, and my dev server running as a vmware
[23:33] <Pelo> Skratz0r, try in the forum
[23:33] <rjonesx> so, I am trying to get the desktop cube back since installing feisty...
[23:33] <d4rkmonkey> Fastn I think so, in mine there was another one that also had to do with the intel 965 that said something like x3000 beside it, if thats there comment it out too
[23:33] <jrib> vocx: I am going to ban you if you do that again... you were warned before...
[23:33] <rjonesx> I installed the compiz settings manager
[23:33] <Creed> fpauls, http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/10/13/installing-guest-additions-for-ubuntu-guests-in-virtualbox/
[23:33] <Innomen> MasterShrek: that worked, its a little choppy and slow but its a start, thank you very much
[23:33] <J-_> I don't get it, when I installed gutsy my screen resolution was running at 1024x768 85Hz, now it runs at 1024x768 at 50Hz with no option to bring it back up to 85Hz. What can I do to bring it back to how it was? Or, should I just leave it? the monitor is running at 1024x768 85Hz.
[23:34] <michae2> needing help with a pantech px-500 pcmcia network card. it worked before 7.10 upgrade. please help.
[23:34] <rjonesx> but I can't get the cube to turn on...
[23:34] <cpt> I failed 3D acceleration test in Cedega, I have passed it before on this PC on the 7.04. I have intel 915 card, anyone able to give some assistance please?
[23:34] <GenNMX> Fryguy--: They may be unsubtantiated claims to you, but not to me. It is not my job to provide proof to you. If you want to change my mind, you have to provide proof yourself. Otherwise, this isn't a debate.
[23:34] <Innomen> thanks all :)
[23:34] <jrcdude> Ok, well something should be coming up called "Restart Xserver with each login" under the  System -> Administration -> Login Window, but it doesn't appear there?
[23:34] <MasterShrek> Innomen, what are u using to play it? totem?
[23:34] <Fryguy--> GenNMX: change YOUR mind? i'm the one asking you questions! lol!
[23:34] <Marco> hello
[23:34] <Fastn> d4rkmonkey, i think you mean this one? T="$T 8086:2972" # i965 (x3000)
[23:34] <Innomen> MasterShrek: no mplayer
[23:34] <Skratz0r> Hey Marco
[23:34] <jrib> kevin1: I do not know what the errors part does, I usually omit it
[23:34] <GenNMX> ChrisC35: If you want to make it a file server, I suggest using the server (alt) install, not the standard desktop install. The desktop install is quicker, but especially with the complexities of VMWare, you want to make sure you do all this right.
[23:35] <Marco> I've traditionally used linux on a seperate partition
[23:35] <Marco> but I've been reading about WUBI
[23:35] <Skratz0r> - Thanks Pelo, just saw your text. xD
[23:35] <rjonesx> how do i turn back on the desktop cube (beryl on feisty). just installed gutsy gibon
[23:35] <Innomen> nm
[23:35] <Marco> is there any reason not to use WUBI?
[23:35] <Pici> !ccsm | rjonesx
[23:35] <ubotu> rjonesx: To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Gutsy(7.10) install 'compizconfig-settings-manager' - A new option will appear in your appearance properties - see also !compiz
[23:35] <Innomen> MasterShrek: totem works perfectly
[23:35] <d4rkmonkey> Fastn yeah, that also has to do with the chipset, I think thats for like the same chipset on a different graphics card or something, I commented it out to be safe
[23:35] <cpt> what is needed to get that cool 3d box thing when alt tabbing ?
[23:35] <MasterShrek> Innomen, ok, well just make sure you install gstreamer, along with plugins for that, and i installed almost everything that medibuntu had, seems like they run pretty good for me
[23:35] <MasterShrek> oh cool Innomen
[23:35] <Fryguy--> rjonesx: install compizconfig-settings-manager and use that dialog to change the settings to whatever you want
[23:35] <Innomen> MasterShrek: seriously write a tutorial for users like me, it would be helpful to the people i convert to ubuntu
[23:35] <Lunks> Is there any way I can search a windows partition for viruses on Ubuntu/any linux?
[23:35] <Innomen> MasterShrek: you rock
[23:35] <Marco> Lunks: clamav
[23:35] <Innomen> i gotta go
[23:35] <riotkittie> if youve just gone through it, why not write it yourself :P
[23:35] <Innomen> l8r guys, thanks again
[23:35] <ChrisC35> GenNMX I see
[23:35] <MasterShrek> lol Innomen
[23:35] <cosmodad> fonts in Firefox look terrible after Gutsy upgrade. What would be the fix for that?
[23:35] <MasterShrek> later
[23:36] <Creed> Marco, Wubi has some pretty noticable speed issues, specially when copying files or extracting archives. Other than that, its pretty good to try out an OS. I would go with a real physical install though.
[23:36] <Lunks> clamav, ok
[23:36] <J-_> I don't get it, when I installed gutsy my screen resolution was running at 1024x768 85Hz, now it runs at 1024x768 at 50Hz with no option to bring it back up to 85Hz. What can I do to bring it back to how it was? Or, should I just leave it? the monitor is running at 1024x768 85Hz.
[23:36] <GenNMX> ChrisC35: You can get a nice simple install, then install something like gnome, kde, xubuntu, etc. later
[23:36] <kevin1> jrib, now that i edited the fstab, do i have to reboot?
[23:36] <Lunks> I really appreciate the info. :D
[23:36] <rjonesx> yeah, i installed CCSM, and I checked off things like rotate cube, desktop cube, etc...
[23:36] <Fryguy--> kevin1: no
[23:36] <MasterShrek> kevin1, if u want the changes to occur
[23:36] <rjonesx> but it wont work - am I not applying the setting sor something?
[23:36] <Skratz0r> Ubuntu is secure, right?
[23:36] <ChrisC35> GenNMX What I mean by file server, is I'd like to be able to access it from my windoze machine and store files there - a place where I know everything is backed up - like photos, etc
[23:36] <MasterShrek> kevin1, unless you added something, then u shouldnt ahve to
[23:37] <Creed> rjonesx, is compiz running at all?
[23:37] <MasterShrek> Skratz0r, that depends on the user
[23:37] <jrcdude> A setting should be coming up called "Restart Xserver with each login" under the  System -> Administration -> Login Window, but it doesn't appear there?
[23:37] <ChrisC35> GenNMX do I need server for that?
[23:37] <kevin1> yeah i need the changes to occur, i did add something thanks
[23:37] <Pir8> Guys is there a way to set a shortcut in the top bar and calls out an alias that I setup, which actually uses ssh to login to another server ?
[23:37] <verb3k> rjonesx, do you know how to rotate the cube?
[23:37] <altf4> org
[23:37] <Skratz0r> MasterShrek, me? :P
[23:37] <MrKeuner> hi, which one(s) is the bug reporting page for ubuntu eclipse package?
[23:37] <rjonesx> ummm, it used to be holding cntrl and moving to the left or right
[23:37] <Skratz0r> I normally use OS X with mah firewall and UDP disabled
[23:37] <casey_> all right... can someone give me the apt-get commands to upgrade everything to gutsy?
[23:37] <Skratz0r> Can id o this in Ubuntu?
[23:37] <cpt> anyone with some Cedega experience able to answer a question please?
[23:37] <Fryguy--> Pir8: sure, you can add an application launcher up there that executes whatever command you want
[23:37] <DShepherd> Pir8, yeah. you wanna know how?
[23:37] <MasterShrek> Skratz0r, yes it is
[23:37] <GenNMX> ChrisC35: Well if you're not running anything like a LAMP then I suppose not.
[23:37] <Fastn> d4rkmonkey, Oh this works great :) , what was the only two problems with this chipset?
[23:37] <rjonesx> not working anymore...
[23:37] <casey_> I'm running the development kernel and want to upgrade to the released
[23:37] <kitche> rjonesx: still is just need to enable it since it's disabled by default
[23:37] <Pir8> Fryguy--,  great. Thanks.
[23:38] <verb3k> rjonesx, try pressing the middle mouse button in the desktop and keep holding it and move the mouse
[23:38] <ChrisC35> GenNMX no i'll use virtual machines for the dev servers
[23:38] <MasterShrek> u should be able to Skratz0r, i dont know about disabling udp, but theres sure to be a way, and u dont hve to install a firewall if u dont want to
[23:38] <oxeimon> I'm on an ati graphics card using fglrx, why do I see a diagonal split when I scroll up and down?
[23:38] <ChrisC35> doing all ruby/rails stuff
[23:38] <pwuertz> skarface: if you don't install/misconfigure any additional services like webservers.. and update your system regulary... your system will be rock-solid
[23:38] <murkyMurk> casey_: if you had all the upgrades throughout development then you already have the released version
[23:38]  * rjonesx doesnt have a middle mouse button - laptop
[23:38] <jimmygoon> Who is disabling udp and why?
[23:38] <rjonesx> but the flip doesnt happen at all
[23:38] <rjonesx> it wont move from desktop to desktop
[23:38] <d4rkmonkey> Fastn I'm not sure, theres a website somewhere that has to do with all the problems, but I'm not sure where
[23:38] <Pir8> DShepherd,  sure
[23:38] <DShepherd> Pir8, Add to Panel .. there's a custom application launcher button. That should help you out. I think you can just drag and drop stuff on the bar too. Whatever makes you happy
[23:38] <Pirate_Hunter> Is this a correct way to write a directory '/home/pirate/Games/ePSXe\ - /Linux/ePSXe' if it has spaces?
[23:38] <ChrisC35> the main ubuntu install will jsut be for home use
[23:39] <Fastn> d4rkmonkey okey :)
[23:39] <verb3k> rjonesx, when you press win+E   , does anything happen?
[23:39] <DShepherd> Pir8, right-click.. add to panel*
[23:39] <Fastn> d4rkmonkey, do you know how i get the cube to work?
[23:39] <jrcdude> Great :( I guess noone knows an anser
[23:39] <jrcdude> answer*
[23:39] <Pir8> ok but what I am trying to do is have that app launcher link call an alias that I setup within the shell :)
[23:39] <Khronnus> I need help about chipset sis (PCI)
[23:39] <casey_> murkyMurk: so its really just upgraded packages and stuff?  I can just apt-get upgradeall and get everything I need?
[23:39] <ChrisC35> GenNMX so then should I be setting up partitions during the install? or after i install ubuntu? and do I really need this alternate install?
[23:39] <rjonesx> i used to just hold the mouse to the right side and it would at least move to the 1 of 4 desktps
[23:40] <d4rkmonkey> Fastn sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[23:40] <Pir8> aaah now I know why it dont work :)
[23:40] <Pir8> n/m
[23:40] <murkyMurk> casey_: sudo apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade    <<<< if you want to but yes, it's just upgraders
[23:40] <kitche> rjonesx: yes compiz-fusion disabled rotate cube by default you need to enable it by checking the box in ccsm
[23:40] <Skratz0r> Cool, MasterShrek
[23:40] <d4rkmonkey> Fastn that program lets you customize things
[23:40] <Pir8> thanks DShepherd  and Fryguy--
[23:40] <Skratz0r> Thanks. :)
[23:40] <rjonesx> i did check the rotate cube box
[23:40] <rjonesx> :-(
[23:40] <GenNMX> ChrisC35: Yeah, it'll be simplier to do it during the install
[23:40] <DShepherd> Pir8, no prob
[23:40] <Skratz0r> I cant seem to get it to connect to my WIFI, though. :P
[23:40] <Pirate_Hunter> could someone please answer my question it is for a script
[23:40] <Skratz0r> Does it work off the live cd?
[23:40] <Khronnus> I need help about chipset sis (PCI) !!!
[23:40] <LifeNomad> How do I make something like....beryl and beryl-manager start on login?
[23:40] <vik> Since upgrading to gutsy, my WPA wireless connection has stopped working. Unsecured wireless still works though. Any ideas?
[23:40] <verb3k> rjonesx, how do you know compiz is running on your laptop?
[23:40] <GenNMX> ChrisC35: How much space are you giving your Ubuntu install, total, out of the 500GB?
[23:41] <rjonesx> not sure - i have the cool wobbly effect
[23:41] <Pirate_Hunter> Is this a correct way to write a directory '/home/pirate/Games/ePSXe\ - /Linux/ePSXe' if it has spaces?
[23:41] <Skratz0r> Lol
[23:41] <Skratz0r> The wobbly is nice
[23:41] <rjonesx> yeah
[23:41] <casey_> murkyMurk:  thanks.. theres still 322 packages to be updated ;)
[23:41] <jrib> Pirate_Hunter: enclose it in quotes
[23:41] <Fryguy--> Pirate_Hunter: no, put a \ in front of each space
[23:41] <jdong> lauchazombie: my deb works for you?
[23:41] <ChrisC35> GenNMX i'm in the alternate install - do i need LVM? or should I use the regular install
[23:41] <murkyMurk> casey_: whhops,,,maybe you missed some during development ;-)
[23:41] <rjonesx> its weird, it appears as if, perhaps, the settings manager is not actually affecting my settings
[23:42] <cpt> I failed 3D acceleration test in Cedega, I have passed it before on this PC on the 7.04. I have intel 915 card, anyone able to give some assistance please?
[23:42] <rjonesx> like there should be an "apply now" button
[23:42] <Khronnus> I need help about chipset sis (PCI)
[23:42] <verb3k> rjonesx, that means its on , strange ........try playing with the try looking at the bindings to make suree of them (or change them as you want)
[23:42] <ChrisC35> GenNMX I am giving the ubuntu the total 500 - because I'll jsut install vm's in there for any other servers i need
[23:42] <lauchazombie> jdong, yup it does i little more slow than usual but it does work
[23:42] <casey_> I probably have.  I havn't used ubuntu in after I couldnt get my sound to work.  kind of gave up on it
[23:42] <jrib> Pirate_Hunter: either what I said or what Fryguy-- said, but not both
[23:42]  * rjonesx doesnt understand what bindings are...
[23:42] <jdong> lauchazombie: what's your default Java currently?
[23:42] <LifeNomad> How do you make a program run on login?
[23:42] <Fastn> d4rkmonkey, done, how to start? just as any other? just write "compizconfig-settings-manager"
[23:42] <GenNMX> Pirate_Hunter: If you're using 'foo', then you don't need to worry about escaping. For "foo", you only need to worry about event magic characters (like !). Otherwise, use \ for each space.
[23:42] <DShepherd> LifeNomad, at it to your sessions
[23:42] <jrib> !startup | LifeNomad
[23:42] <ubotu> LifeNomad: To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session go to System>Preferences>Sessions and use the Startup Programs tab. For more information, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup - See !boot for starting non-interactive programs at boot
[23:42] <jdong> lauchazombie: java -version
[23:42] <Pir8> Has anyone gotten dual monitor working in gutsy (specifically with a nvidia geforce 8 series)
[23:43] <Pir8> I've had no luck with it :(
[23:43] <d4rkmonkey> Fastn its actually ccsm to start, it should also be system>preferences>Advanced Desktop Effects Settings
[23:43] <GenNMX> Pirate_Hunter: Example: mv './Fantasic Foo' './Fantasically Foo'
[23:43] <Pirate_Hunter> GenNMX: so the way i did the directory is correct than? yes/no?
[23:43] <lauchazombie> jdong, 1.5.0
[23:43] <d4rkmonkey> Fastn you might have to change compiz settings to custom though, I'm not sure
[23:43] <Lost_Soul> hello 4 alls
[23:43] <lauchazombie> jdong, java version "1.5.0"
[23:43] <lauchazombie> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.2.1 (Ubuntu 4.2.1-5ubuntu5)
[23:43] <Lost_Soul> :)
[23:43] <GenNMX> Pirate_Hunter: By using '', you don't need to worry about escaping
[23:43] <rjonesx> any way to preview effects w/ advanced desktop setting
[23:43] <jdong> lauchazombie: install icedtea-java7-jre
[23:43] <casey_> can we safely and effectively write to NTFS yet?
[23:43] <bobgill> I installed Opera from a .deb, how do I completely uninstall it? I forgot, something with --purge or smth
[23:43] <Fastn> d4rkmonkey, why do i need to do that?
[23:43] <d4rkmonkey> !ntfs3g
[23:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs3g - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:43] <jdong> lauchazombie: then you should see a huge speedboost
[23:43] <murkyMurk> casey_ apparently yes
[23:43] <d4rkmonkey> Fastn I'm not exactly sure, but I have it set to custom
[23:44] <d4rkmonkey> !ntfs
[23:44] <ubotu> ntfs is To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions .  For NTFS write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[23:44] <d4rkmonkey> !ntfs-3g | casey_
[23:44] <ubotu> casey_: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[23:44] <jrib> bobgill: system ->admin -> synaptic
[23:44] <Casey> ahh highlights
[23:44] <d4rkmonkey> That worked fairly well for me when I needed i
[23:44] <d4rkmonkey> *it
[23:44] <d4rkmonkey> sorry Casey
[23:44] <Casey> :p
[23:44] <Lost_Soul> I have ubuntu 7.10 , have forms optimizatioon wifi in linux ( code shell ) in ubuntu ?
[23:44] <Marco> ntfs-3g is the only reliable and stable way to right to ntfs partitions
[23:44] <tony> Hey, I just clicked the "Upgrade to 7.10" option, installed 7.10, and now I can't boot up! I'm getting an error that says bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed
[23:44] <ChrisC35> GenNMX these partitions you mentioned, /, boot, /tmp, /usr, /var - are these all dirs that ubuntu will automatically setup if I do it all on 1 big partition?
[23:44] <[per0las]> bem fui cuidem-se fiquem bem
[23:44] <ubuntu-convert> having some trouble installing ubuntu; i've got a cd installer for 7.04 and i'm having x-window trouble, getting two specific errors, can anyone help me?
[23:44] <casey_> Ahh theres another Casey
[23:44] <tony> Now what do I do?
[23:44] <GenNMX> ChrisC35: OK. So we have the size of /home to worry about. Are you just going to assign the rest of the space to /home, or do something like /home and /mnt/data?
[23:44] <Lost_Soul> please
[23:45] <cpt> I cant seem to get the cube thing to work. Are there something that is needed to get it to work ? I have installed the config thing. CCSM
[23:45] <Pirate_Hunter> GenNMX: so if I put it in double quotes than i dont need to escape is that what your saying?
[23:45] <gunnar> Q:  I would like to recompile my kernel with ubuntu 7.10 and I have been getting a gcc internal compiler error.  Any Ideas?
[23:45] <casey_> where do I find ASACONF?
[23:45] <GenNMX> Pirate_Hunter: Yes.
[23:45] <Fryguy--> gunnar: what is the error
[23:45] <PriceChild> gunnar, why on earth are you compiling your own kernel?
[23:45] <PriceChild> Fryguy--, he's missing build-essential
[23:45] <jdong> gunnar: most likely it means your system has unstable RAM or northbridge
[23:45] <d4rkmonkey> cpt try turning visual effects to custom? I'm not sure, but I guess its worth it to try
[23:45] <Fryguy--> PriceChild: there's plenty of reasons to compile your own kernel
[23:45] <rjonesx> SHIT!
[23:45] <ChrisC35> GenNMX i dont need anything complex - just everything on one partition. dont need a separate partition for data
[23:45] <Pici> !language | rjonesx
[23:45] <jdong> gunnar: perform a memtest for 24 hours, but it's very common for a large compile to catch RAM defects in hardware
[23:45] <ubotu> rjonesx: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[23:45] <riotkittie> cpt: go into CCSM. disable desktop wall. enable desktop cube. enable cube rotate. then go to the GENeral options section, and turn Horizontal Virtual Desktops up to 4
[23:45] <cpt> d4rkmonkey, in what option ?
[23:46] <d4rkmonkey> cpt appearance>visual effects
[23:46] <PriceChild> Fryguy--, and I want to hear his.
[23:46] <cpt> riotkittie, ill try
[23:46] <Marco> gunnar: don't do what jdong says
[23:46] <Pirate_Hunter> Fryguy--: when you say put it in front you mean like this '/home/pirate/Games/ePSXe \-/ Linux/ePSXe' or the way it was before?
[23:46] <Marco> gunnar: that's the most unlikely case
[23:46] <tony> I upgraded to 7.10, and now I can't boot up! I'm getting an error that says bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed
[23:46] <Pirate_Hunter> GenNMX: ok will try that
[23:46] <Marco> gunnar: sudo apt-get install built-essential
[23:46] <jdong> Marco: for a GCC internal compiler error? it's the most likely cause
[23:46] <ChrisC35> GenNMX i know it would be better from an experienced point of view, but being a newbie, I dont want to overwhelm myself with too much to take on, and then not have time to get it done
[23:46] <GenNMX> ChrisC35: Well if you separate out your "important data" and "less-important data" partitions, then you can do something like RAID 1 for /, then RAID 5 for /mnt/pub
[23:46] <MrKeuner> what is the proper way of editing the /etc/X11/xorg.conf? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? or is there a more appropriate way?
[23:46] <gunnar> I just had a ram module go bad.  I have ran memtest on the one that I am useing.  It is fine.
[23:46] <jdong> Marco: especially considering that you are compiling proper C code, the Linux kernel
[23:46] <eyeR> Hey guys. Anyone an expert in RAID, here? I'm having all sorts of problems with RAID in GUTSY.
[23:47] <honeking> anybody any good with sound problems?
[23:47] <JNLQ> My graphics card doesn't work correctly on the LiveCD unless I'm in "safe graphics" mode. How do I enable this mode (I believe it it using the Vesa driver) after installing to the hard drive?
[23:47] <GenNMX> eyeR: What's the problem? Just ask, don't ask to ask.
[23:47] <Fryguy--> PriceChild: 1 would be as a learning experience, another would be to support some form of esoteric hardware that isn't supported in a standard ubuntu kernel, another would be if you are a kernel programmer doing development, another would be if you are running on a very low-spec system and are trying to save some resources by having a leaner kernel if you know exactly what you need.  If you give me another moment I'm sure I can think of another few reasons
[23:47] <tony> Can anyone help?  installed 7.10, and now I can't boot up! I'm getting an error that says bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed
[23:47] <bobgill> jrib: I did "Mark for complete removal" and now it's not in the list anymore :(
[23:47] <ChrisC35> GenNMX I dont really want to separate it - i have an entire 2nd 500 gig just for the redundancy - if one fails I'll just buy another. I just need it to be simple even if I have to waste HD space
[23:47] <murkyMurk> MrKeuner: the dpkg method jsut sets it back to default setup for the hardware. Personally i edit by hand using vi. YMMV
[23:47] <PriceChild> Fryguy--, I really don't care....? :/ I wanted to know why on earth he thought he needed to.
[23:47] <GenNMX> ChrisC35: OK. So just install everything as normal, then setup raid after the install is finished.
[23:48] <Fryguy--> PriceChild: ah my bad, I thought you were asking me to justify my statement. Carry on then
[23:48] <Skratz0r> If i were to order a cd for my iBook, PPC
[23:48]  * Xacarith has a minor problem.  After installing something a while back he changed what was managing something...  From gnome to kde he thinks but now trying to install the update he's being told that his desktop manager isn't recognized or some such
[23:48] <Skratz0r> would it be PC, or 64?
[23:48] <honeking> my sound just stopped working
[23:48] <GenNMX> ChrisC35: Wait, scratch that. That'll be annoying.
[23:48] <Fastn> d4rkmonkey, how do i get the cube zoomed out?
[23:48] <ChrisC35> GenNMX so I dont need the 'alternate install' then?
[23:48] <cpt> riotkittie, do i need to reboot or anything ?
[23:48] <PriceChild> Fryguy--, I understand there are valid reasons... but 99% of the time, those asking for help here on that subject shouldn't be doing it in the first place and it shows.
[23:48] <d4rkmonkey> Fastn ctrl+alt+click ?
[23:48] <Fryguy--> Fastn: everything related to the cube is in compizconfig-settings-manager
[23:48] <RasQulec> I just updated to gutsy, but its not doing smp and I dont see an smp specific kernel in the repos... [dmesg has "NR_CPUS limit 1 reached. Processor ignored" near the top ]
[23:48] <Techrev> Heyas, I'm having issues..  Need helps..
[23:48] <honeking> cube zoomed out would be CTRL ALT and then left click on your mouse and move
[23:49] <vik> Where can I find logs to diagnose where my wireless connection is failing?
[23:49] <eyeR> GenNMX: Yeah. I should know better. Sorry. ... I got the installation done (using dmraid and the standard install process). Then I do a manual installation of grub, restart, then the it makes it to the ubuntu loading bar, but is stuck at the very beginning of the progress bar.
[23:49] <gunnar> I have all the correct software installed.   (build essentials. )  I was able to compile gcc 4.2.2 -- Does any one have it as a deb?
[23:49] <riotkittie> cpt: no it should be working.  try alt + ctrl + left arrow and see if anything happens
[23:49] <flick> how do i remove all kde based applications?
[23:49] <RasQulec> oh envermind, found fix
[23:49] <cpt> riotkittie, it did. anyway to get it to work on alt+tab function ?
[23:49] <Techrev> I had everything working all happy, and wonderful, then I clicked the stupit button to upgrade to 7.10..
[23:49] <bruenig> apt-get autoremove qt will get you close
[23:49] <ChrisC35> GenNMX although maybe I should create a swp partition of about a gig on each HD?
[23:49] <arooni_> i have an intel core 2 duo.  is there any need to use the 64 bit version of ubuntu ( i was hoping for faster speeds ;p ) ?
[23:49] <bruenig> flick,
[23:49] <arooni_> i would have no other reason
[23:49] <gunnar> Also -- I have installed Debian etch and everything works fine.
[23:50] <lauchazombie> jdong, how can i make icedtea default or apt makes it after the installation alone?
[23:50] <riotkittie> cpt: yea, just go back in there and change the keys on the Action tab
[23:50] <RasQulec> it used 386 by default instead of generic
[23:50] <LifeNomad> Does anyone know the command to start Beryl?
[23:50] <hans_> flick: sudo tasksel remove task kde-desktop
[23:50] <GenNMX> ChrisC35: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/module-details.html#di-setup <-- Ubuntu installer will ask you before writing the partitions to disk.
[23:50] <Fryguy--> arooni_: no.  I would recommend staying with x86 because it runs a bit better
[23:50] <cafuego> arooni; Not if you just use desktop apps, no.
[23:50] <Fryguy--> LifeNomad: use compiz-fusion, beryl is deprecated
[23:50] <tony> If anyone can read this, please reply
[23:50] <hans_> flick: or something :)
[23:50] <Techrev> Now everything seems good, but any session I pick the window manager only comes up on 1 monitor.   X is running on all 3, but window managers seem to only see 1 of them..
[23:50] <cpt> riotkittie, well i ment, I would like to have a cube effect on the normal alt+tab funtion
[23:50] <riotkittie> sorry tony can't read it :x
[23:50] <LifeNomad> Fryguy--: I know this, but compiz-fusion runs so choppy and slow
[23:50] <Skratz0r> BBL dudes
[23:50] <tony> lol riotkittie
[23:50] <Sir_Sid> where can I view a sample sources.list
[23:50] <Skratz0r> (Idling)
[23:50] <honeking> i think that may be your graphics card
[23:50] <Sir_Sid> Mine has become a little messed up
[23:50] <Fryguy--> LifeNomad: so then make it fun smooth and fast?
[23:50] <ferpadro> does anyone knows how to change privileges to a ext3 partition created with gparted?
[23:51] <hajiki> hey after the Gutsy update a new item called "Other" appeared in the Application menu. This other menu is filled with items from a Preferences menu, but they are KDE apps. Can someone explain me why those things are there?????
[23:51] <kitche> cpt: enable it though the compizconfig or ccsm for short
[23:51] <gruntpig> !away | Skratz0r
[23:51] <ubotu> Skratz0r: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[23:51] <GenNMX> ChrisC35: Your swap partition should be part of your RAID 1.
[23:51] <lauchazombie> Sir_Sid, in the instalation cd
[23:51] <flick> is there any package on which all kde programs depend?
[23:51] <cafuego> ferpadro: via chmod/chown as per usual.
[23:51] <tony> riotkittie: Sorry, I wondered if maybe I had stumped the room or what
[23:51] <vik> Where can I find logs to diagnose where my wireless connection is failing?
[23:51] <ChrisC35> GenNMX I'm still confused though If I should be using the regular installer, or the 'altnerate' one
[23:51] <honeking> does anyone know how to fix a sound problem?
[23:51] <stefg> flick, sudo apt-get autoremove kdelibs-core should take all other kde stuff witg it as dependency
[23:51] <Sir_Sid> lauchazombie, I dont have that anymore
[23:51] <Xacarith> I'm guessing I need to remove kde off my system maybe?
[23:51] <Fastn> d4rkmonkey, well how do i get more desttop-areas , just have two at the moment and want the cube to have 4 sides
[23:51] <casey_> How do I remove the old kernels from my GRUB boot menu?
[23:51] <Fryguy--> honeking: ask the question you really want to ask
[23:51] <LifeNomad> Fryguy--: I tried to, but it was not working correctly.  And I could not find the compizconfig-manager app in the repo
[23:51] <stinger05> hi, im in the live cd now, but it's still on the detecting filesystems part while installing,,,it's stuck on it meaning it's not progressing, what can i do ?
[23:51] <flick> stefg, thanks a lot that's what i wanted exactly
[23:51] <mrunagi> hello everyone
[23:51] <ferpadro> cafuego, i see. But "chown" and then what? how is the partition labeled?
[23:51] <d4rkmonkey> Fastn its in CCSM, in General Options at the top
[23:52] <bmk789> casey: you can edit your /boot/grub/grub.conf
[23:52] <vocx> jdong interesting. Although I don't think many people realize the difference between compiling and running with the GCJ or JVM, and Ubuntu package. The "solution" is of course using the tarball. Also, what will happen if people start demanding Azureus 3. I've yet to use it.
[23:52] <tony> Anyone: I upgraded to 7.10 and now my laptop won't boot
[23:52] <GenNMX> eyeR: In the Grub menu, edit your boot line and remove -splash. Then you can see where it stops at. How long did you wait at the progress bar?
[23:52] <Techrev> Sigh, is there any channel I can go into where they might know what the issue is?
[23:52] <DarKMod1> hello i need some help with my network connection
[23:52] <jrib> bobgill: yes, so it is gone
[23:52] <GenNMX> ChrisC35: Just use the regular one.
[23:52] <Fryguy--> LifeNomad: so then address the issue of what's causing you to be unable to find the compizconfig-settings-manager and work from there.  Make sure you have 3d acceleration enabled, etc
[23:52] <jdong> vocx: Debian is working on uploading Azureus 3 in their existing packaging format
[23:52] <cpt> kitche, you mean that i can get a cube effect on the windows i have on 1 desktop to be in the cube ?
[23:52] <bobgill> how can I get it back ??
[23:52] <jdong> vocx: it's a simple sync in to Hardy, then backport to Gutsy
[23:52] <Lunks> Where do I find gnome appearance files on my home folder?
[23:52] <GenNMX> eyeR: You have about 10 seconds to hit ESC before Grub starts to get the Grub menu.
[23:52] <DarKMod1> any body valuable to help
[23:52] <jrib> bobgill: install it again
[23:52] <Xacarith> any one have any input?
[23:52] <Lunks> like window controls, etc.
[23:52] <Fastn> d4rkmonkey, thx alot
[23:52] <ferpadro> cafuego, r u there?
[23:53] <Fastn> :D
[23:53] <jrib> !opera > bobgill
[23:53] <d4rkmonkey> Fastn no problem
[23:53] <LifeNomad> Fryguy--: I just cannot DL that application to make changes to the manager.
[23:53] <juanbond> when i do a ls -la on my created directory (downloads) it has root root, i can't seem to copy any files to there.  how can give myself permissions to write to that directory?
[23:53] <Techrev> Is there an Xwindows support channel or something?
[23:53] <bmk789> !u > ferpadro
[23:53] <jdong> vocx: point is, now that it is built the way I packaged it, the end user won't have to worry about anything. It runs with EVERY JRE in our repositories now :)
[23:53] <Fryguy--> LifeNomad: why can't you download it?
[23:53] <LifeNomad> Fryguy--: The only option I have are to enable 3d windows, and wobbly
[23:53] <jrib> Techrev: this one
[23:53] <lauchazombie> jdong, how can i make icedtea default or apt makes it after the installation alone?
[23:53] <LifeNomad> Fryguy--: It is not in the repositories
[23:53] <honeking> when i open my volume control, it says this: "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found."
[23:53] <casey_> what is the preferred text editing program now?
[23:53] <Fryguy--> LifeNomad: so enable the proper repositories so it IS there
[23:53] <Fastn> d4rkmonkey, damn , still just got 2 sides of the cube
[23:53] <derrrface> I upgraded to 7.10... accessing web sites take a long time while "looking up...." for it to fetch, as well as fetching images in my email client.... from .5 seconds to bout 4 seconds....
[23:53] <jrib> casey_: whatever you prefer
[23:53] <Fryguy--> because it's in everybody else's repositories in here
[23:53] <d4rkmonkey> Fastn I have no idea then, sorry
[23:54] <jdong> lauchazombie: APT should make it default. run "sudo update-alternatives --config java" to verify
[23:54] <bmk789> casey_: you can use gedit or nano are probably the easiest
[23:54] <LifeNomad> Fryguy--: I enabled all of the repos...and its still not there
[23:54] <Techrev> kk, anyone have any idea what is wrong then?
[23:54] <casey_> jrib: i used to use kate but it wasnt in my gutsy install
[23:54] <honeking> well, that's the problem, all the right gsteamer plugins and alsa are enabled
[23:54] <Fryguy--> LifeNomad: then your repository list is broken
[23:54] <honeking> *gstreamer
[23:54] <murkyMurk> juanbond: sudo chown <user> <directory> -R; chgrp<user><directory> -R
[23:54] <Lunks> Where do I find gnome appearance files on my home folder? Like window controls, etc.
[23:54] <jrib> casey_: you can install it if that is what you like
[23:54] <vocx> jdong, didn't even know about that icedtea... Or maybe I did...
[23:54] <juanbond> thank you murkyMurk
[23:54] <Techrev> Was working fine under 7.04, upgraded, and boom, window manager only sees 1 monitor..  Haven't changed xorg.conf
[23:54] <Fryguy--> LifeNomad: http://rattlesnake.ath.cx/compizconfig.png
[23:54] <GenNMX> ChrisC35: Go to that link I gave you and read the section called "Configuring Multidisk Device (Software RAID)"
[23:55] <jrib> Lunks: what do you want to do exactly?
[23:55] <stinger05> hi, im in the live cd now, but it's still on the detecting filesystems part while installing,,,it's stuck on it meaning it's not progressing, what can i do ?
[23:55] <ChrisC35> GenNMX alright thanks - i will try the regular. When you say the swp partiton should be part of the raid1 - do I actually make each HD 2 partitions, 499gig and 1gig for swp - and setup raid which is for the whole drive - or do I just partition the whole drive as 1 partition , and then setup raid, and the swp is handled automatically
[23:55] <jdong> vocx: I would've built with sun-java5 or sun-java6, btu both are in multiverse and unusable on the Ubuntu builders, because they pop up the license agreement and nobdoy's there to agree to it!
[23:55] <lauchazombie> jdong, a huge speed change indeed i dont have enough thanks for you
[23:55] <ChrisC35> GenNMX ok I will do that
[23:55] <seila> hi there
[23:55] <BobSinclair> Hi
[23:55] <cpt> question: I ran the video test in Cedega, i Passed OpenGL, and i failed 3d Acceleration test, I have passed this test before, when i had 7.04. I heard there was some info on the Cedega forums, but that info didnt aply to my problem. I have a intel 915GM card. Anyone able to help me please?
[23:55] <jdong> lauchazombie: it's Ubuntu -- it's what we do for each other :)
[23:55] <Lost_Soul> Its very dificult optimization wifi ????
[23:55] <seila> can anione give a me a little help in a VB script?
[23:55] <Skratz0r> NOWAI
[23:55] <Fryguy--> seila: wrong channel lol
[23:55] <Skratz0r> VB = windows...
[23:55] <LifeNomad> Fryguy--: Lol I know it should be there....but It is not.  I have checked all repos in the list, and reloaded synaptic.....still not there.  Is there a private repo I need to add?
[23:55] <Skratz0r> Windows = root of all evil
[23:56] <Fryguy--> LifeNomad: no
[23:56] <Fryguy--> Skratz0r: no it's not
[23:56] <Skratz0r> selia = in wrong channel
[23:56] <LifeNomad> hmm
[23:56] <SuperPigs> what am i still on here?
[23:56] <Skratz0r> Yah it be.
[23:56] <Lost_Soul> Its very dificult optimization wifi ??
[23:56] <ChrisC35> Windows is necessary, due to games
[23:56] <ferpadro> does anyone knows how to change privileges to a partition?
[23:56] <lauchazombie> jdong, i really want to leanr how to code so i can help, well at least i try to help and evangelize people :D
[23:56] <Skratz0r> :O
[23:56] <Skratz0r> VMware?
[23:56] <seila> Fryguy-- hi can you tell me a good chanel plllz
[23:56] <eyeR> GenNMX: I did that. It's giving me an error about not being able to find my raid partition (/dev/mapper/via_bjgffdcjia2) ... I tired changing it to /dev/mapper/viabjgffdcjia (meaning I told it the kernel was on the whole disk). I'm booting now. Don't think that will do it
[23:56] <Skratz0r> ferpadro, google wins. :D
[23:56] <seila> =)
[23:56] <Skratz0r> #windowsisevil
[23:56] <Lunks> Where do I find gnome appearance files on my home folder? Like window controls, etc.
[23:56] <Fryguy--> Skratz0r: don't be some tunnel-visioned fanboy who hates on operating systems without understanding them
[23:56] <Skratz0r> Lol.
[23:56] <jdong> lauchazombie: come hang around the MOTU's -- lots of this stuff is really technically simple but just takes time and patience
[23:56] <Fryguy--> seila: no idea, #windows? #winprog?
[23:56] <Skratz0r> I understand windows
[23:56] <murkyMurk> ferpadro: you will probably be editing your fstan file
[23:56] <Skratz0r> But i dont like it
[23:56] <derrrface> I upgraded to 7.10... accessing web sites take a long time while "looking up...." for it to fetch, as well as fetching images in my email client.... from .5 seconds to bout 4 seconds....
[23:56] <Lost_Soul> please
[23:57] <jrib> !offtopic | Skratz0r
[23:57] <Lost_Soul> help
[23:57] <bmk789> !flamewar
[23:57] <LifeNomad> Fryguy--: Nope not there......wtf
[23:57] <ubotu> Skratz0r: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[23:57] <Lost_Soul> <.
[23:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flamewar - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:57] <murkyMurk> ferpadro: *fstab fstab fstab file
[23:57] <seila> ^^
[23:57] <Leftmost> Is there a way to change the default boot options that Ubuntu puts in grub?
[23:57] <Lost_Soul> Its very dificult optimization wifi ??
[23:57] <Techrev> Ok, how do I disable xgl?  I think thats the prob, its set up for xinerama..
[23:57] <seila> kkkk
[23:57] <eyeR> GenNMX:  Basically, it's not recognizing my raid even though I installed dmraid on the /target after installing and before restarting
[23:57] <seila> just linux here
[23:57] <seila> np =)
[23:57] <DShepherd> deskbar keeps crashing. know where i can find logs that would catch this?
[23:57] <jrib> Leftmost: should be able to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:57] <verb3k> Gutsy seems very buggy (more than feisty)
[23:57] <GenNMX> eyeR: Error message?
[23:57] <Techrev> I know an info box came up, I have to put a file in ~/.config, but I forget the name of the file
[23:58] <sco50000> when i log into my fresh install of gutsy, HAL is failing to initialize
[23:58] <Leftmost> jrib, I'd have to do it again the next time I installed a kernel. I want to avoid that.
[23:58] <Lunks> Where do I find gnome appearance files on my home folder? Like window controls, etc.
[23:58] <lauchazombie> jdong, sorry but what is "the motu's "?
[23:58] <honeking> anyone know how to fix a sound problem where the volume control spits out this message when you try to open it: "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found."
[23:58] <Techrev> Or, I need to turn off xinerama in xgl, and load it for each screen, but that I think will be a headache..
[23:58] <bmk789> !MOTU | lauchazombie
[23:58] <ubotu> lauchazombie: motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[23:59] <casey_> I just found out there is a "Xubuntu".  Is there anything specific about it that would make me want it?
[23:59] <jrib> Leftmost: really, there are sections that claim you can change the default options in there.  Have you tried and it did not work?
[23:59] <murkyMurk> Lunks: system->preferences->appearance or sys->pref->windows
[23:59] <bruenig> casey_, xfce is the best de
[23:59] <Fryguy--> casey_: it uses XFCE instead of GNOME by default
[23:59] <Lunks> murkyMurk: on my home folder, I'd like to copy them somewhere else.
[23:59] <casey_> bruenig: so thats all it is? a different gui?
[23:59] <eyeR> GenNMX: In the load process, right after it recognizes all my USB devices, it lags for al ong time then says "check root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev" ... " ALERT! /dev/mapper/bjgffdcjia2 does not exist. Dropping to shell!" then it puts me in BusyBox
[23:59] <Fryguy--> casey_: there's kubuntu too, that uses KDE by default.  short of what they install by default, they are all the same (you can install xfce on ubuntu if you wanted to, or install gnome on xubuntu if you wanted to)


[20:05] <marto> booting the iso, I select other options (f6) so I can disable set noapic and nolapic (older laptop), I've checked these two options and can't seem to get the installer to close that popup so I can continue booting. Any ideas?
[20:09] <marto> escape key isn't working


[00:38] <len> astraljava: How do I download the new mudita24? I have to add a repo? Which one? Am I downloading a binary or src?
[00:55] <astraljava> len: The link is in the agenda, but it should http://packages.debian.org/sid/mudita24
[00:55] <astraljava> len: Scroll down the page, there are the download links to your arch.
[00:56] <len> astraljava: Thanks
[00:58] <astraljava> len: I have no idea whether the deps have changed much, so it might be a little hard if you need a long chain of those.
[00:58] <astraljava> len: I intend to install real debian sid on the machine where I have that card.
[00:59] <astraljava> But also precise, so I can catch any differences in the behaviour of the app that might exist between the distros.
[01:15] <len> astraljava: downloaded and installed in 12.04 US jan 21. No problems with depends.
[01:17] <len> It runs long enough to say "No ICE1712 cards found"... which is true enough. Gotta try it down stairs.
[01:20] <len> It installs a file in /usr/share/menu/ but we need a mudita24.desktop file to go in /usr/share/applications/ for it to show on our menu.
[01:21] <len> This is a problem with the current version in ubuntu too.
[01:45] <ScottL> len, we could file a bug against it and perhaps even in debian since we have synced from there
[02:39] <len_> astraljava: ScottL: Installed mudita24 1.0.4 and tried it out.
[02:40] <len_> I tried it side by side with envy24control.
[02:40] <len_> !st note: envy24control has the same problem a gcdmaster
[02:41] <len_>  It's old and I got this...
[02:41] <len_> Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page size is deprecated
[02:42] <len_> mudita24 1.0.4 has less bugs than 1.0.3 (slider sizes for example)
[02:43] <len_> Any control I move in mudita24 moves the same control in envy24control
[02:43] <len_> So they seem to point at the same stuff.
[02:45] <len_> The big difference I see is that mudita24 only uses -48db to 0db in the monitor section
[02:46] <len_> but envy24control uses more (60 db?) I don't know how much more as envy24 doesn't give db.
[02:47] <len_> So when the monitor control is moved from off to -48 on mudita24 (one step) envy24 shows a huge jump.
[02:47] <len_> this is true of both 1.* versions and I don't think it is a bug
[02:48] <len_> I think it was done on purpose (may have read that somewhere) to make the best use of the control length.
[02:49] <len_> Remember this is monitoring only. The adc and dac control go full scale.
[02:50] <len_> I will file a bug against mudita24 in ubuntu for the missing desktop file.
[02:52] <len_> I copied the above to the list.
[10:35]  * abogani waves all
[10:35] <abogani> I have just updated -lowlatency and -realtime kernels.
[13:48] <scott-work> i would like to get the LTS proposal resolved, does anyone object to me shooting an email to the mailing list later today so we can start discussion and get as broad of spectrum of feedback as possible?
[13:53] <scott-work> oh, and good morning everyone
[14:45] <ailo_> Good morning scott-work
[14:46] <ailo_> I'm a popular guy in Debian Multimedia mail lists
[14:46] <ailo_> I sort of cross posted to three different mail lists about the same stuff
[14:46] <ailo_> I just find it hard to know where to post sometimes
[14:46] <ailo_> And it doesn't make things easy when people keep multiple mail lists for the same team
[14:47] <ailo_> I understand separating bugs from other posts, but it can get a little crazy too
[14:47] <ailo_> There's a discussion going on about audio group, and whether it should be renamed
[14:49] <ailo_> After thinking about it, I feel like it's time to push for having all normal users being members of that group by default
[14:49] <ailo_> If it would be done in Debian, then sooner or later I would hope most popular Debian/Ubuntu based distros would have it
[14:50] <ailo_> And that would be the end of realtime privilege configuration issues
[14:50] <ailo_> First I want to see where the discussion about whether or not audio is a proper name for the group ends up
[14:55] <scott-work> ailo_: i'm relieved to know that you are involved and pursuing this :)
[14:56] <scott-work> i remember there had been discussion about renaming this group as well, perhaps to "realtime" or something similar
[14:56] <scott-work> i think if all users were part of the "audio" group that it would design the problem away
[14:56] <scott-work> but i will defer those who know more about security, etc (which i expect to be the debian people)
[14:57] <scott-work> however, we still may need to make an ad hoc fix for this release (at least) WRT to new, additional users and the live users
[15:04] <ailo_> scott-work: Yeah, whatever changes are made in Debian will likely not end up in this release of Ubuntu
[17:46] <astraljava> ailo: Just a heads-up, alessio is pushing yet another version of mudita24 into sid. I'll poke you guys when it's landed. This time he's trying to fix the meters.
[17:46] <astraljava> I'd hilight len as well, but he doesn't seem to be online ATM.
[18:26] <ailo> astraljava: What about the meters?
[18:30] <ailo> astraljava: Are you reffering to this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=655708?
[21:29] <scott-work> astraljava: did you see my pm earlier?
[23:53] <astraljava> scott-work: Most likely not. The server had rebooted, so I've lost all that. Except, it could be logged. I'll look into that soon.