[02:26] <shaunm__> dsmythies, KI7MT: I don't personally see much value in using conditionals for the desktop env in ubuntu-help (or gnome-help for that matter). as you point out, those documents are for their respective environments, and should just always reflect that
[02:27] <shaunm__> it could be valuable if we had a common pool of pages that both teams considered to be upstream, but there's a lot of logistics in making that work
[02:27] <shaunm__> conditionals for the desktop environment are very useful for app help, however
[02:36] <KI7MT> shaunm__, Maybe I pulled the wrong repo then, I branched Lp:ubuntu-docs .. and that is where I ran into this initially. Is that not the correct repo for Ubuntu Desktop Sys Documentation ?
[02:39] <shaunm__> that's correct, I think
[02:40] <shaunm__> what I'm saying is, I think those conditionals were added to that document and to the gnome-help document early on, when conditionals were new and we were testing them and figuring out best practices
[02:41] <shaunm__> and I think we've now moved away from using them in those specific documents, for good reasons, but you're seeing lingering conditionals that were just never removed
[02:44] <KI7MT> Ok, well that will give me something work work on first then. I found it interesting to read up on though.
[03:26] <KI7MT> Question:  how is the "More Information" and "See Also" being added to the bottom of the pages, say for instance on Add a new user account, More Information links to Manage user accounts?
[03:28] <KI7MT> with respect to Ubuntu Sys Help Docs.
[05:20] <shaunm__> KI7MT: "More Information" links are guide links. you get them when the page has <link type="guide"> in its info, *OR* when another page has <link type="topic"> to the page you're looking at
[05:21] <shaunm__> "See Also" are seealso links. you get them when the page has <link type="seealso"> in its info, *OR* when another page has <link type="seealso"> to the page you're looking at
[05:22] <shaunm__> the important thing to realize here is that most types of links declared in the info element automatically go in both directions in some way or another
[05:33] <dsmythies> KI7MT: Re: conditionals: See this thread: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2013-September/017658.html> 4 e-mails total.
[05:36] <dsmythies> sorry, 5 e-mails total, including the one from Jeremy that the system doesn't realize is the same thread.
[05:39] <KI7MT> dsmythies, thanks. having a crack at updating online-accounts. It seems the interface has changed quite allot in 3.10.2. Is the best way to send out a proposed set of changes a bundle package via e-mail or send up a merge ppa ?proposed merge?
[05:43] <dsmythies> It is just my opinion, but I think merge proposal is best.
[05:45] <KI7MT> dsmythies, Ok, thanks. These e-mails are exactly what I ran into .. Not read all the way through yet.
[05:51] <KI7MT> shaunm__, thanks for the info on Links.  I need to play with that a bit, and see what the results are with different tags.
[15:49] <KI7MT> GM all .. quick question on Sys Docs. I see that in some .page files (files-tilde.page for ecample), legal.xml is included in the <info> section, while others it is not. When should we be adding this to our .page files?
[16:00] <dsmythies> KI7MT: Do you have an example file name that does NOT have the legal.xml line? In the end, there should be a legal link in the footer of every page, but give me some time to catch up.
[16:07] <KI7MT> dsmythies, good morning. Sure, a look at accounts-create.page .. that is the app I am working on now.
[16:19] <dsmythies> KI7MT: I do not know the answer. Before I suspect I was confusing legal.xml with the legal.html that is linked, via the .css for the html versions of stuff. The built in help doesn't have the legal link.
[16:21] <dsmythies> I suspect the legal.xml line should be in every file, but that is just a guess and should not be considered an authoritative answer.
[16:22] <KI7MT> This legal.xml covers Creative Commons .. Where as the other Legal Notice, on the applicaiton itsself..
[16:22] <KI7MT> Is the wording for Ubuntu and Canonical's Legal Notice stuff.
[16:24] <KI7MT> I don't see a reason why we would NOT want Creative Commons each file.
[16:25] <dsmythies> legal.html is not part of ubuntu-docs. It is common for both the serverguide and ubuntu-docs and all releases and is one of about 5 glue files that pull it all together on help.ubuntu.com. see the very last few lines of the spreadsheet.
[16:27] <KI7MT> It's interesting, that when I pull up the Legal Notice, using the link on Online Accounts App. The Heading under About is "License" and using the legal.xml the heading is Creative Commons,.
[16:29] <KI7MT> dsmythies, Yes I saw the files on the Spreadsheet. Im now wondering if we should edit legal.xml to match the working displayed under License from legal.html
[16:32] <KI7MT> legal.html displays as; License: Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 (with not link) and legal.xml displays as; Creative Commons: This work is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License (with the link).
[16:33] <KI7MT> I know this is splitting hair's, but it jsut looks different. Says the same thing though.
[16:44] <KI7MT> dsmythies, Where is the source file located for legal.html ?
[16:47] <KI7MT> I found it: /usr/share/help/C/web-credentials
[16:57] <dsmythies> Legal.html is 1 of about 5 files where the master file is in the launchpad branch for help.ubtuntu.com. The rest of the files in that branch are NOT master files, but rather slave files with the master files in the launchpad branches that we are working on now.
[16:57] <dsmythies> see: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/help.ubuntu.com/view/head:/index.html
[16:59] <dsmythies> Sorry, see: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/help.ubuntu.com/view/head:/legal.html
[16:59] <KI7MT> dsmythies, I fibured it out, in the .page.stubs pages it is a <license> tag, not an <include href .. .. .  thus, one pages renders with just text, and legal.xml renders with the href.
[16:59] <KI7MT> *figured.
[17:02] <KI7MT> So if we want the Link version, we need to include legal.xml, and if we want just the workding, no link, Legal Commons ShareAlike 3.0  .. we add the <license> tag.
[17:06] <KI7MT> So, question becomes, do we want the href link in the About section to read as legal.xml lays out, or simply add: <license> Creative Commons ShareAlike 3.0</license>  tag.
[17:08] <KI7MT> If you open open up the Online Accounts APP, and click the the Legal Notice Link on the GUI, you can see the <license> tag version.
[17:18] <dsmythies> KI7MT: I don't know. Perhaps someone else will chime in with an opinion.
[17:20] <KI7MT> dsmythies, I think, If the final verdict is we want the link included, we need to add some CSS to tidy it up a bit. I can have a play with that.
[17:36] <KI7MT> dsmythies, Simple work-around: <license> <link href .. Creative Commons .. .. ..</link></licesne> .. That puts it under About: License, and adds the CC link.
[17:37] <KI7MT> And looks nice alongside Written By - Edited By.
[17:48] <KI7MT> dsmythies, I should probably send this idea to the mailing list, but legal.xml as the name probably not the best choice. Maybe copywrite.xml or license.xml  or something, as this merely referrs to the copywrite of the written material.
[18:31] <KI7MT> Question. Regarding yelp-build & images/icon locations:  If we use a system Icons from /usr/share/icons .. .. should we add those icons to /ubuntu-docs/html/img ?   ... when I use that ref location, I'm getting file-not-found errors on the html page, but using the system location /usr/share .. .. all is well.
[18:44] <dsmythies> KI7MT: No. There are bug reports, on this issue. They are either fixed and the new yelp-build hasn't made its way to Ubuntu yet, or the fix is still pending. See the upstream links (4 total, I think) listed in these IRC logs in the last 2 or 3 days.
[18:47] <KI7MT> dsmythies, ok, I'll go look at the bugs, but for future reference, is the proper location ./ubuntu-docs/html/icons  .. ?
[18:48] <KI7MT> sorry ./ubuntu-docs/html/img  .. no icons
[19:00] <dsmythies> KI7MT: Actually, I think you would add an icon to ./ubuntu-docs/ubuntu-help/C/figures. And note that doing so would requre an edit to ./ubuntu-docs/ubuntu-help/Makefile.am
[19:00] <dsmythies> Ki7MT: see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/trusty/revision/240
[19:02] <KI7MT> dsmythies, Ahh ok .. Im definately not a Makefile guru, but maybe it's time to get into that as well.
[19:03] <KI7MT> Or, simply don't use an Icon :-0
[19:06] <dsmythies> KI7MT: and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/trusty/revision/316
[19:06] <dsmythies> KI7MT: Yes, avoid new icons.
[19:12] <KI7MT> dsmythies, actually, that Makefile is not so bad :-) .. a couple of other projects I work on for docs, the Makefiles are well, they make my head spin. This one is pretty straight forward.
[19:16] <KI7MT> dsmythies, Actually, that was really good info, becasue if we wanted to propose a new series help files, or change some names of existing ones, it's good to know we need to update the Makefile as well with a proposed merg.
[19:17] <KI7MT> dsmythies, the file that does make my head hurt though, is the ubuntu-help.pot file .. that thing is a beast ! :-)
[19:18] <KI7MT> surely that file is generated not manually coded right ?
[19:28] <dsmythies> KI7MT: Makefile.am: Yes trivial. Others, Yes complicated.
[19:30] <dsmythies> KI7MT: .pot file: Do not look at it. There is no need. Yes, it is a compiled file and is related to translations. Then why is it there, isn't it like folding downstream work back into upstream work? Yes, I find the workflow a little odd in this respect.
[19:32] <dsmythies> the .pot file file be updated just at documentation string freeze, in preparation for the translators to start.
[19:32] <KI7MT> dsmythies, I know very little about .pot files, that stuff is like black-magic to me.
[19:50] <KI7MT> dsmythies, do we have a list anywhere of page:  type="abc" style="xyz"   ?
[19:54] <KI7MT> dsmythies, found you bugs on bugs.gnome.org for yelp-tools
[19:54] <KI7MT> *your
[19:56] <dsmythies> KI7MT: re list: Not that I am aware of. Note: I have never thought about that line at all.
[19:56] <dsmythies> KI7MT: I think I misdirected you to the bug reports. A potential new icon is a different story, which I think we covered now.
[19:57] <KI7MT> dsmythies, Im new at this type of documentation , and Mallard, so I'm just going through each element and trying to understand how it works and the proper usage.
[19:58] <KI7MT> dsmythies, re, icons, yes, thing I ahve that one under control.
[19:58] <KI7MT> *think
[20:00] <dsmythies> KI7MT: I'm fairly new to mallard myself. I came from the serverguide which is docbook, and still do more work there than on ubuntu-docs.
[20:03] <KI7MT> dsmythies, Yeah, I was working the ubuntu-maual for a while, trying to get my head around LaTeX  .. then, yes, DocBook, which I need to work allot more on, and now Mallard .. I wish all the docs would go to one setup woudl make like allot easier.
[20:03] <KI7MT> *make life
[20:04] <KI7MT> dsmythies, do you use the bughelper cli tools?
[20:29] <KI7MT> Found another block that's baffling me, <desc> block. Some pages simple have a one line plain test description, others are putting xref's to related pages.
[20:29] <KI7MT> *simply have
[21:07] <dsmythies> KI7MT: bughelper tools: No, never heard of them.
[21:16] <KI7MT> dsmythies, link from ubuntu bug squat launchpad: https://launchpad.net/bughelper-data
[21:20] <dsmythies> KI7MT: <desc>: I do not understand what is baffling you. Sometimes it is desired to have a link in the text in the <desc> block, somtimes not. Look at the next level up from the actual .page file...
[21:21] <dsmythies> for example for tips.page look at index.page ...
[21:21] <dsmythies> and you will see the <desc> block there, with the link.
[21:22] <dsmythies> Note: when I said "look", I meant in the unity help. i.e. the finished prodcut.
[21:25] <KI7MT> dsmythies, Ahh ok, that's makes sense.  I was confused over where the block should reside in the .page file. Some have been inside of <info> block and others outside.
[21:44] <KI7MT> dsmythies, well had my first 14.04 crash .. Nautilus went nutty bonkers upon Browse then open with Gedit :-)
[22:05] <dsmythies> KI7MT: Two days ago my 14.04 dekstop VM, hosted on a 12.04 server, just wouldn't work at all. Then yesterday, there was a new kernel and now it works, more or less. I do have grief with my VM's sometimes.
[22:07] <KI7MT> dsmythies, I installed form an ISO, about ohh a week or so ago. That's the first real issue I've had. I do updates constantly though.
[22:09] <KI7MT> dsmythies, my current Kernel is <IP_ADDRESS> Generic, x86_64
[22:09] <KI7MT> I did see a Gnome package, can't recall whihc now, that had a pkgversion of 0.0.0 :-)
[22:10] <dsmythies> KI7MT: mine also: Linux doug-desktop 3.13.0-1-generic #16-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 7 19:44:06 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[22:12] <KI7MT> dsmythies, So do you run a headless server with Desk VM ?
[22:15] <dsmythies> KI7MT: Mostly yes. I do sometimes have a cosnole attached, sometimes not. I also run 32 bit 14.04 server VM, mainly so that I can compile the kernel for my i386 server minimum requirements test computer, as it is not able to compile the kernel. I also have a 64 bit 14.04 VM
[22:17] <KI7MT> dsmythies, Toward the final release, I want to set that up as well, headless 14.04 server and run Desktop VM's from it.
[22:20] <dsmythies> I resisted getting into VM for a very long time, but now do not know how to live without them. That being said, there is some often odd stuff with my VNC connections. When things break, it seems that emormous amounts of time is wasted trying to figure it out.
[22:21] <KI7MT> yes, understand. I do allot of ISO install and desktop app testing, VM is the only way to go.
[22:22] <KI7MT> I'd like to learn more about LXC and the could stuff, just dont have enough HW for it.
[22:22] <KI7MT> *cloud
[22:47] <KI7MT> dsmythies, well .. 4 files down, another 4 to go :-)


[00:16] <pcworld> what do you mean by bootloader
[00:16] <pcworld> @0brienDave
[00:23] <ObrienDave> normally the bootloader, GRUB, is installed to the MBR of the HD. you need to install it ti the USB stick if you want it to boot the system
[00:23] <ObrienDave> *it to
[00:23] <xubuntu42w> There is no updated tutorial on how to exactly partition and install a live persistent USB drive (STEP by STEP)
[00:26] <xubuntu42w> after i choose something else for example..what next
[00:26] <xubuntu42w> "something else"
[07:26] <xubuntu99w> hi all I would like to know how I can create a launcher for xfce-terminal to open a window or tab with ssh to my server similar to this gnome-terminal --disable-factory --sm-client-disable --class=remoteserver -x ssh -t serverip
[07:28] <xubuntu99w> by the way I was reading this post on askubuntu http://askubuntu.com/questions/34597/how-do-i-make-a-custom-launcher-for-terminal-applications
[07:50] <RudyValencia> Hi, is it possible to set up a key shortcut to minimize windows? I couldn't find one in the keyboard shortcuts applet.
[10:26] <synthor> heya
[10:26] <synthor> my xubuntu 14.04 ran fine with two amd graphic cards and two fullhd screens connected to each card with the propritary driver
[10:27] <synthor> this morning installed all updates and now xorg and migration processes have high cpu usage when the machine is just on the desktop
[10:27] <synthor> my mouse and keyboad hangs every few seconds and the system isn't usable at the moment
[10:28] <synthor> booting the last kernel version didn't help
[10:28] <synthor> even reinstalling/upgrading the amd driver
[10:28] <synthor> any hint?
[10:29] <synthor> it's xfce 4.10 btw
[10:55] <synthor> i remember that there was an similar xorg high cpu usage bug...seem to be triggered now again -.-
[10:56] <synthor> glad that i already have two new ssds, where i can install 14.04.3 with xfce 4.12. waste of time to get this fixed again...
[11:00] <RudyValencia> How do I set a keyboard shortcut to minimize a window?
[11:50] <ghostcube> hi, i installed 14.04.03 lts on an HP Compaq nx9030 with intel grafics adapter
[11:51] <ghostcube> dmesg gives me this error [drm:intel_cpu_fifo_underrun_irq_handler [i915]] *ERROR* CPU pipe A FIFO underrun
[11:51] <ghostcube> i tried to fix this with some help threds in arch wiki and the ubuntu community but nothing really made a difference
[11:52] <ghostcube> is there anything further known so far?  this isnt xubuntu related in general. seems to be a kernel or a driver bug.
[15:10] <jrm86> I'm having a bit of trouble with mounting an internal HDD.  Using fstab, It mounts fine in /mnt/, but won't bind to a folder in /home/username/.  I can get it to mount just fine through terminal "sudo mount /home/username/Media/".  Problem is, I'd have to do this every time I log on.  Here is the applicable lines in fstab:  http://pastebin.com/F1hRTZC9 .  Any thoughts?
[15:11] <holstein> i agree, seems like the issue would be with the fstab, then..
[15:12] <jrm86> Odd thing is the first time I changed it, I did a simple "sudo mount -a" after, and it worked fine.  On startup though, no love.
[15:12] <holstein> jrm86: i have one that i added to fstab, and, my lines dont look like that
[15:12] <holstein> well, i think you are sahying "im having issues with an internal HDD mounting".. but, you are not.. you are having issues with adding a drive to fstab, and having it mount to a location, correct?
[15:13] <jrm86> Yes.  It is currently mounted and operational in /mnt/, but it won't bind to a folder in a more convenient location for regular use
[15:13] <holstein> jrm86: i referenced https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingANewHardDrive#Mount_The_Drive when i set mine up..
[15:13] <holstein> jrm86: i didnt use "bind" like that.. i just mounted it at boot, to the location i wanted
[15:14] <holstein> im not saying thats the issue.. but, i have fstab loading several drives on several different machines, to locations inside my /home.. like, ~/Media, and, my fstab looks more like at the wiki page i linked..
[15:15] <jrm86> Yeah, I've read through that page, and I've been able to mount in my home folder, but when I do, it mounts with root permissions, so I can't save to/drag and drop, etc, without altering permissions in terminal every time I log on
[15:16] <holstein> jrm86: there are direction, at at that link, to "chown" the mount point
[15:16] <mrkramps> jrm86, maybe you should change the permission
[15:16] <holstein> jrm86: my internal drive mounts, at boot, to the mount point i desire, via fstab, and has the permissions of my user.. not root.. i dont have to address it at every reboot
[15:18] <jrm86> the wiki talked about "sudo chown...".  I assumed this was to be performed in terminal.  Can those commands be added to fstab?
[15:18] <mrkramps> jrm86, afaik not
[15:18] <mrkramps> the owner of this drive is root
[15:19] <mrkramps> thus only root has r/w permission
[15:20] <mrkramps> i was wrong (as so often) …
[15:21] <genii> You have to make a folder on the root of the drive, chown that to the user you want to have use it. The root of an entire drive will always revert back to being owned by root every boot when it is detected, so changing the permissions of the entire drive only works temporarily
[15:24] <jrm86> It mounts to /mnt/ just fine.  I can read/write to it.  Problem is it won't bind to a directory in my home folder through fstab.  It has to be manually mounted via terminal after each boot (and works fine).  I've tried altering uid, gid, umask, etc in fstab, with no success.  I can mount it wherever I want, but only in /mnt/ am I able to actually use it.
[15:26] <jrm86> That's why I've tried binding the hdd's /mnt/ directory to a directory in my home folder.  It keeps the same permissions, so I can read/write at will
[15:27] <mrkramps> jrm86, you may use a link
[15:31] <holstein> jrm86: what i did was use the link i provided.. i added the lines to fstab, and tested that my drive was auto mounting to the location i wanted.. which, was in my users home
[15:31] <jrm86> Yes, I have already tried that.
[15:31] <holstein> jrm86: i then, use the command at the link, as well, to chown that directory.. giving my user permissions.. i can, now, do what you are trying. which, is hit the power button, wait for the machine to boot, and access the drive, via a directory in my users home, with read/write permissions
[15:32] <holstein> jrm86: you have tried what? what command? i used the "chown" command, at the wiki i linked, on the location.. i used it from the terminal.. its persistent..
[15:33] <jrm86> The link you provided.  I have been through that article days ago.  I've tried everything on that page.
[15:39] <holstein> but, you dont have that refelted in your current fstab..
[15:39] <holstein> oh.. gone already..
[15:45] <mrkramps> whatever
[16:34] <dudeern> has anyone ever experienced a disk mounting on boot, but from the wrong source?  For instance, internal HD "mounts" to correct location, but won't display content, and shows itself as the wrong size disk (same size as the boot disk)?
[16:35] <dudeern> sudo mount -a does not fix it, but does not show an error
[16:36] <dudeern> "sudo mount /mountpoint/" does work, however.  so it's still referencing fstab, since i only specified the destination path
[16:40] <dudeern> http://pastebin.com/F1hRTZC9
[16:52] <dudeern> I'm trying to mount an internal HDD through fstab.  Once booted and on the desktop, my machine recognizes the file path (says that HDD is in the folder where I want it), but it does not show content and it shows information about the boot partition (size, available space, etc).  Almost like it mounted the filepath, but not the drive.  "sudo mount -a" does not change it, but "sudo mount /destinationpath/" does.  The documentation on "moun
[16:52] <dudeern> t" says that if only specifying a source or destination (not both), then "mount" references fstab to mount the drive.  So fstab works, but it is not mounting correctly at boot.  Any thoughts?  Here is the applicable line from fstab:  http://pastebin.com/F1hRTZC9
[17:03] <holstein> dudeern: if i saw issues like, the drive size not reporting correctly, i would test the drive
[17:04] <holstein> dudeern: i like using gsmartcontrol
[17:05] <dudeern> it doesn't, at first, but when I run "sudo mount /mountlocation/", it mounts just fine, can read/write, and shows correct drive size
[17:05] <holstein> i would break up the steps.. i would remove the fstab entry.. test the drive, and make sure its working, and doesnt have errors. then, i would simply try mounting it, and read/write to it
[17:05] <dudeern> ok
[17:05] <holstein> *then*, after all of that is working properly, i would seperately deal with fstab, to get persistent boot.. going forward knowing that the drive is "good"..
[17:06] <dudeern> ok, I can give that a try
[17:10] <dudeern> scan turned out fine.  no errors
[17:11] <holstein> dudeern: sure.. and, the scan i like to do, takes a few hours. but, thats a good start
[17:11] <dudeern> do you want a screenshot?
[17:11] <holstein> now, i would either, do the longer scan, or, i would make it so that i can reliably mount, read/write.. and them move, after that is happening, either, in the command line, or, in the file manager
[17:12] <holstein> dudeern: no
[17:12] <holstein> dudeern: i understand. and i said, thats a good start. but, there are tests that do more. and, you still dont know if the file system is ok.. but, its really up to you how you want to proceed
[17:13] <holstein> i typically pull a drive down, and test it, at least as much as you have, and fresh format. i dont know the history of your drive.. im just noticing that, you are trying to implement fstab auto mounting at boot with read/write permissions for your user, and are not really simply able to reliable mount the drive *before* implementing that.. so, i would work with the mounting, and make sure that works, *then* move on
[17:14] <dudeern> I can mount via command line in the correct location.  I can read and write to the disk.  This disk itself behaves correctly.  The disk shows correct information about itself.
[17:14] <holstein> then, you are not having issues with mounting, or read/write.. etc.. correct?
[17:15] <holstein> the *only* issue you have is with trying to implement the auto-loading of it, in fstab? correct?
[17:16] <dudeern> correct.  When using "sudo mount /mountLocation/", it works completely fine.  The documentation for "mount" says that when specifying only a drive OR a location, it references fstab, and in practice, it works
[17:16] <dudeern> it just won't do it on boot
[17:17] <holstein> dudeern: then, i would look at my fstab.. i would look at this, and follow it more closely https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingANewHardDrive#Automatic_Mount_At_Boot
[17:18] <dudeern> I have.  I've read it line by line and followed directions carefully.  I've checked other support sites and found the same information which did not help.  I'm here because I couldn't find an answer.
[17:18] <holstein> dudeern: the fstab you shared doesnt look the same, though
[17:19] <holstein> dudeern: share more details, and a volunteer may assist. your full fstab, and the filesystem information.. etc
[17:19] <dudeern> It's different because the original from the support site you suggested didn't work
[17:20] <holstein> dudeern: sure, and i understand what you are saying, but, thats literally the same guide i followed, that did work, so, i would need more details about what isnt working, and how.. such as, the fstab file
[17:20] <dudeern> I'll need a minute to copy it over
[17:22] <holstein> when you get the details together, if its slow here, and no one is answering, you can use #ubuntu, since, its not related to xubuntu or xfce..
[17:27] <dudeern> fstab:  http://pastebin.com/TLAHwzZM
[17:28] <dudeern> what else do you need?
[17:28] <holstein> also, what is the output of sudo fdisk -l
[17:29] <dudeern> fdisk:  http://pastebin.com/hvbpKSmp
[17:30] <dudeern> sdb1 what is giving me a headache
[17:30] <holstein> dudeern: /dev/sdb1            2048<PHONE_NUMBER><PHONE_NUMBER>   83  Linux ..that *is* the device? correct? and its formatted to what? ext4? ext3? you did that in gparted?
[17:31] <dudeern> ext4, formatted via command-line
[17:31] <holstein> dudeern: i dont think it is "sdb1" that is giving you a headache, at all.. if you can mount that location manually.. its fstab that is the issue..
[17:32] <holstein> dudeern: you are *certain*, that, if you comment out that fstab line, and reboot the machine, you would see the drive in the filemanager, and be able to click on it, and mount, and be able to read it? and, if you use sudo mount, it'll mount, and you have read/write to it?
[17:32] <dudeern> yes
[17:33] <dudeern> i've done it many times before
[17:35] <holstein> dudeern: im not sure that it matters, but, you have a trailing "/" in your path, in your fstab.. that is not present in mine, or the guide you are referencing
[17:35] <holstein> it wouldnt hurt to, confirm the location is there.. and, reference it as "/home/jonathan/Media" rather than "/home/jonathan/Media/"
[17:35] <dudeern> I've done it manually (specifying drive AND mount location), and using fstab after boot (specifying only mount location, which forces "mount" to reference fstab)
[17:36] <dudeern> I thought about that and tried it, but it did not change the result
[17:36] <holstein> sure.. i would update that, now, though, and make it reflect the actual mountpoint
[17:37] <holstein> dudeern: right now, fstab is pointing to /home/jonathan/Media/ and not /home/jonathan/Media ... which could make the difference..
[17:38] <dudeern> ok.  I'll try it again.
[17:42] <dudeern> no change
[17:42] <holstein> when? when, rebooting? or, trying a manual command? and what errors are you getting? if any?
[17:43] <dudeern> reboot, and literally no difference.  boots up, disk shows correct file path, but no content.  manual "sudo mount /mountLocation/" command, then everything works
[17:44] <holstein> i remember *not* referring to the label, since, they can change
[17:44] <holstein> did the labels change?
[17:44] <holstein> anyways, this looks like what i would step through.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountDevicesTroubleshooting
[17:45] <holstein> i do prefer by uuid..
[17:47] <dudeern> the labels did not change.  I've already referenced this link also.  This is just sending me back to troubleshooting in circles while expecting a different result.  Thanks, I appreciate your time.
[22:19] <cristi> hello
[22:19] <cristi> i have a problem
[22:19] <cristi> can anyone help ?
[22:19] <Guest17095> helo
[22:20] <Guest17095> i get no audio after some use of a fresh install xubuntu 15.4
[22:20] <Guest17095> can anyone help ?
[22:21] <Guest17095> is someone here ?
[22:23] <Guest17095> hellloooo
[22:23] <mariano> I'm having trouble installing my bluetooth keyboard on xubuntu 15.04. I had it working on xubuntu 14.04 but the tutorial I followed no longer works.
[22:24] <Guest17095> i think no one will help us here ...
[22:24] <mariano> People are probably busy or idle. It is volunteer work after all.
[22:28] <drc> mariano: I take it you have googled and found no answer for your particular situation?
[22:29] <mariano> I had, but it no longer works on 15.04 because bluez-hcidump is no longer part of 15.04 I think.
[22:30] <mariano> can I put a link of the tutorial that worked for ubuntu 14.04?
[22:32] <drc> Sure...I have no knowledge of bluetooth myself, but some who does may see it.
[22:32] <mariano> I used the following tutorial successfully in xubuntu 14.04 : http://blog.chschmid.com/?p=1537


 No kicks for idling. If that were the case, this forum would be empty :)
 As for VPN, I have not used OpenConnect so I cannot advise.
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 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/MDbox7nm/file_41437.jpg
 Just How????
 I tried to install Kubuntu on Disk D
 And at the terminal I have not an GPT markup
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/3qG80L6I/file_41438.jpg
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 @ri5h46h, bro i have solved my read only system issue.  i partitioned some free space out of that partition and created another partition using gparted. Now no more errors when i access  my old partition anymore.
 donnow how the issue got solved. pure luck may be. I was not able to shrink the partition via windows disk management
 Good to hear! I would have never guessed to attempt  that option.
 @thanveer787, wow nice :)
 i was trying different things for the last week.
 @thanveer787, which Distribution are you on as of now ? neon ?
 @ri5h46h, yeah still on neon
 @thanveer787, nice !
 kde neon or kubuntu?
[06:03] <TheFocus> Any one know how to fix this error: module: vboxdrv: Unknown rela relocation: 4???  Get it when running:  sudo /sbin/rcvboxdrv setup
[06:03] <TheFocus> Wrong wrong kernel-modules-combinations?
 0753
 hello guys
 i have problem with my kubuntu can i give help here?
 @erfan_sta, post your questions/problem directly.
 @erfan_sta, dontasktoask.com 😂😅
 @ri5h46h, ok i install my kubuntu 20.04 about 2 month in my system and i get update about pluse audio  two week ago and i updated but when i log in my system after that i got log about  … snd_hda_intel 0000:01:00.1: no codecs found! … and three other error can i downgrade pluse audio to fix that?
 @rustyshka, install EASEUS Partition Master in your windows make your partitions GPT without formating partition
 @rustyshka, your windows is installed is installed in MBR/legacy style.
 @ri5h46h, can convert to GPT i do that in my system before its Easy
 @erfan_sta, yes I have also used EaseUS to convert.
 but how will windows boot then if we convert it's disk to gpt ?
 yes but i didnt get error when do that my windows come up without problem
 @erfan_sta, can anybody help?
 @erfan_sta, ?
 @ri5h46h, Yeap, but, why it answered efi?
 If my disk is mbr
 @rustyshka, because you booted the OS in UEFI Mode
 @rustyshka, I think your machine is uefi type but you have windows installed in mbr style
 I just writed an iso with rufus and it's all
 @ri5h46h, Here is my bios type is old
 @rustyshka, then the installer shouldn't ask for EFI
 Here is no legasy or efi
 May be try to rewrite?
 @rustyshka, send a photo of your firmware settings
 Iso I mean
 @ri5h46h, bios I men to say
 @ri5h46h, Here is russian language
 @rustyshka, can you change that to english for a second a send here
 😅
 Ok, min
 @rustyshka, a picture of your bios settings
 @ri5h46h, What's settings
 @rustyshka, shutdown your pc and press the key to get into your bios
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 @rustyshka, ok your system is legacy, confirmed
 @rustyshka, now boot Kubuntu
 I deleted it at last time, minute, I'll check if it here
 I just formated usb hdd
 Damn, I deleted
 @rustyshka, create again
 I download theb I'll write u okay?
 @ri5h46h, I also deleted an iso 😕
 @rustyshka, what, you deleted the iso also 🤨
 😂😂
 What's better, lts or default?
 when you will create live usb from Rufus keep the Partition scheme as MBR.
 Ok
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[13:39] <Maik> Troll invasion?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> looks like it
[13:40] <BluesKaj> ot spam
[13:41] <BluesKaj> or
[13:41] <Maik> they are everywhere its seems
[13:41] <Maik> except the protected channels
[13:42] <BluesKaj> yeah, the kubuntu chans are affected
[13:42] <BluesKaj> and #kde
[13:44] <Maik> add the r flag
[13:44] <Maik> problem solved
[13:46] <krytarik> Or just relax since it's been dealt with already..
[13:46] <Maik> nice
 8325
[17:28] <cfaber> Any have problems with firefox suddenly become extremely slow?
[17:29] <cfaber> this problem seems recent
[17:30] <cfaber> and related to HTML5 video
[17:30] <cfaber> watching HTML5 video for a while, suddenly video becomes choppy
[17:30] <cfaber> close all the tabs, open some simple page up, top sites list, bookmarks, etc.
[17:30] <cfaber> and everything stays slow and choppy
[17:36] <Maik> youtube also uses html5 iirc and it's not slow and choppy
[17:53] <cfaber> Maik: yeah, it's strange, everything is fine then suddenly out of nowhere things get really slow
[17:53] <cfaber> no explanation at all, no errors, nothing starting up, no excessive memory usage, cpu usage, etc.
[18:26] <user|40351> hi. who use microsoft bluetooth mobile mouse 3600 in kubuntu 20.04? i can't pair it with my laptop
 Guys, wtf, I have MBR and a Legacy BIOS, but Kubuntu answers EFI
 Wtfff
[19:09] <daniele_huh> ciao a tutti
 Didn't get you
[19:13] <daniele_huh> Italiani ce ne sono??
[20:04] <mparillo> !it


[00:01]  * JontheEchidna promptly apt-get removes
[00:03] <Daskreech> so we ship sans nepomuk?
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> I wouldn't say that necessarily. The live CD will almost certainly not want to have virtuoso enabled
[00:04]  * JontheEchidna mumbles about upstream pushing heavy database components onto users without supercomputers
[00:15] <Daskreech> http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/29382/
[00:15] <Daskreech> You guys might like that story :)
[00:15] <Daskreech> Ignore the non exisitent Distro
[00:24] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: That screenshot looks quite like a semi polished apple
[00:24] <Daskreech> I just noticed somethign strange. Does anyone have compositing on?
[00:24] <Sput> yes
[00:25] <Sput> mostly because it was fixed this morning
[00:26] <Daskreech> Ha ha OK what do you have for your alt+Tab effect?
[00:28] <Sput> coverflow
[00:33] <Daskreech> Sput: It works currently ?
[00:34] <Sput> yep
[00:34] <Daskreech> Sput: which windows do you currently have open?
[00:35] <Sput> huh?
[00:35] <Daskreech> Which apps do you ahve open?
[00:35] <Sput> dunno, usual set of K apps plus Quassel
[00:35] <Sput> and Creator :)
[00:35] <Daskreech> Konqueror ?
[00:35] <Sput> yeah
[00:36] <Daskreech> OK press Ctrl+F9 and type konqu press enter
[00:36] <Daskreech> Then see if Cover flow is still active
[00:36] <Sput> no, it's not :)
[00:36] <Sput> interesting
[00:36] <Sput> plasma-desktop crashed too
[00:37] <Daskreech> Box switch?
[00:37] <Sput> yep
[00:37] <Daskreech> Yay \o/
[00:37] <Daskreech> I can't reproduce that
[00:37] <Sput> and X11 is eating my CPU
[00:37] <Daskreech> well Maybe I can I don't have plasma running at all right now
[00:39] <Daskreech> Sput: Hmm I can't turn it back on either :(
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> yippie, regression: bug 492681
[01:01] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: Ah question do you see the KDE Loginsplash Before login ?
[01:01] <JontheEchidna> yes
[01:02] <Daskreech> What causes that?
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> A kdm patch we have. It was going to be our answer to xsplash
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> but apparently once the *dm starts it's too late to do much splashing, so usplash is seen throughout
[01:03] <Daskreech> usplash?
[01:04] <JontheEchidna> the bootup splash that's been in use since the olden days
[01:04] <Daskreech> I meant the KDE splash with the blue block and the march of icons ending with the Big K
[01:04] <JontheEchidna> before KDM shows up?
[01:04] <Daskreech> yes
[01:04] <JontheEchidna> yes, that's what I"m talking about too
[01:04] <JontheEchidna> It was supposed to replace usplash
[01:04] <Daskreech> Ah
[01:04] <Daskreech> strange
[01:04] <JontheEchidna> but kdm starts too late to be able to do that, so usplash shows anyways
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> we should just remove the patch imo
[01:05] <Daskreech> please
[01:05] <Daskreech> Shall I file abug? :)
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> Riddell seems to have an attachement to it...
[01:05] <Daskreech> I'd like to see a video of what he sees on his computer
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> there's already a bug, iirc
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> on all computers I've tried it on, it shows for a split second before teh login prompt
[01:06] <Daskreech> A split second?
[01:06] <Daskreech> you must have started with a very fat second
[01:07] <JontheEchidna> maybe half a second, but usplash is mostly present throughout
[01:08]  * Daskreech shrugs. It's a paperkut at best in any case
[01:08] <JontheEchidna> how long does the KSplash show for you before the login screen?
[01:08] <Daskreech> It's annoying and may contribute to someone leaving Kubuntu but certainly won't be the reason why
[01:09] <JontheEchidna> ironically it's the only stain on an otherwise excellent booting experience (For me)
[01:09] <Daskreech> As long as your not on a Live CD :)
[01:10] <Daskreech> Yeah I quite like the boot up now
[01:10] <Daskreech> Wish it could be played with a little more
[01:10] <Daskreech> I still like the Sims motif
[01:10] <Daskreech> but it's nice
[01:10] <Daskreech> Say Sheytan's Boot splash mock for Kubuntu ?
[01:10] <Daskreech> s/Say/saw/
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> nope
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> well, dunno. The name doesn't ring a bell. ;-)
[01:18] <Daskreech> Ah found it!
[01:18] <Daskreech> http://identi.ca/notice/15818646
[01:19] <Daskreech> http://2tu.us/16mr
[01:20] <Daskreech> Did some nice wallpapers as well
[01:57]  * Daskreech is sad. Can I use an ID file to ssh through KIO ?
[02:31] <JontheEchidna> So, there is a "cripple phonon" cmake option we could throw in kdebase-runtime if we got desparate...
[02:32]  * JontheEchidna might do so locally so he can sort everything else besides phonon out package-wise
[02:49] <ScottK> Sounds like a plan
[02:49] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did soprano get uploaded?
[02:53] <ScottK> workspace finished on amd64.
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> I don't think it did get uploaded
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> It's in the same boat as akonadi where I can't upload it to Ubuntu
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: ^
[02:57] <ScottK> OK.  I'll do it in a bit.
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> shared-desktop-ontologies needs reviewed/accepted too, if you're looking for things to do
[02:57] <ScottK> On my list.
[02:57] <ScottK> We need a MIR for that.
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan started on one
[02:58] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: what do you think about having a kubuntu-dvd package ?
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> I did a bit of polishing but I need to compare it to the template
[02:59] <JontheEchidna> Daskreech: sounds neat, just don't ask me to do it :P
[03:00] <Daskreech> :-)
[03:01] <Daskreech> How many KDE packages are currently in main?
[03:02] <JontheEchidna> reverse-build-depends kdelibs5-dev
[03:02] <JontheEchidna> Should give numbers for everything in main, universe, multiverse and restricted w/ numbers

[03:03] <Daskreech> Is there a reverse-build-depends ?
[03:03] <JontheEchidna> !find /usr/bin/reverse-build-depends
[03:04] <Daskreech> ah I was looking at apt-rdepends
[03:04] <Daskreech> which is recursive depends not reverse
[03:19] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: 126
[03:20] <JontheEchidna> I would have done so myself, but it seems broken in lucid at the moment
[03:22] <Daskreech> bah that can't be right i just did a apt-get remove kdelibs and got 168 packages
[03:22] <Daskreech> Hmm I guess Koffice might count against that
[03:22] <Daskreech> Do I really want to remove koffice just to count packages?
[03:26] <JontheEchidna> mm, bunch of ancient docbooks removed from kdebase-runtime in 4.4
[03:35]  * JontheEchidna sooo wishes dh_install would run through trying to install all files even if one fails, then fail the build and give a list of missing files
[03:36] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Patches welcome.
[03:36] <ScottK> ;-)
[03:36] <JontheEchidna> of course ;-)
[03:36] <JontheEchidna> well... who knows if debian welcomes patches :P
[03:37] <JontheEchidna> they'd probably debate about my use of pronouns in comments until nobody cared anymore
[03:37] <ScottK> I think there are Ubuntu changes already for all the relevant packages.
[03:37] <ScottK> BTW, workspace finally built on i386
[03:37] <ScottK> Almost 3 hours
[03:38] <JontheEchidna> wow, it did grow
[03:42] <ScottK> Looking at soprano now.
[03:46] <ScottK> soprano was already done
[03:47] <ScottK> akonadi still needs doing though
[04:12] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Do you know where Quintasan|Szel put the shared ontologies MIR?
[04:12] <ScottK> I got permission to accept it into Main for now as long as the MIR is done.
[04:35] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: the web doc... you want it to be browsers or, also torrent, IM, email and browsers
[04:40] <ScottK> Somewhere the firefox installer needs to be covered
[04:41] <ScottK> akonadi uploaded to the archive.
[04:41] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: In theory, you could do the rest now.
[04:47] <nixternal> web would be browsers
[04:47] <nixternal> IM and email will go in communications
[04:48] <nixternal> torrent...hrmm
[04:51] <nixternal> maybe we should s/web/internet/
[04:52] <maco> torrent is internet
[04:52] <ScottK> JontheEchidna and Quintasan|Szel: shared-desktop-ontologies in the archive and in Main.
[05:13] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: did you find the MIR?
[05:14] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Yes and finished it. (it was close)
[05:14] <ScottK> That was a condition for me accepting it into Main.
[05:14] <JontheEchidna> nice
[05:15] <JontheEchidna> I'm thinking of uploading the phonon-less kdebase-runtime to ninjas for now
[05:15] <JontheEchidna> it's better than nothing and we can always reupload once things are fixed
[05:16] <ScottK> I think it make sense
[05:16] <ScottK> My list-missing for workspace is down to ~50 lines now.
[05:18] <JontheEchidna> -runtime has 261 files in list-missing :S
[05:18] <JontheEchidna> mostly goes to /usr/share/locale/, so I'm lucky
[05:20] <JontheEchidna> after /usr/share/locale I'm down to ~50
[05:30] <ScottK> I also have to go back through the plasma-desktop stuff and see what stays in kdebase-workspace-bin, what gets split out into plasma-desktop, and make sure I get all the right stuff in plasma-netbook.
[05:31] <ScottK> This was so much easier when I didn't know all the stuff I needed to watch out for.
[05:41] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: so as I understand it, email, IRC and IM would go into communication. Torrent and Browsers go into web?
[05:44] <JontheEchidna> hmm, libnepomukquery4 seems to have moved from -workspace to -runtime
[05:44]  * JontheEchidna will deal with the errors tomorrow, gnight
[05:46] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: I'm also going to put akregater in the web catigory
[05:48] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Glad to hear that.  I was wondering where it had gone.  I'll drop the package from workspace.
[05:49] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: libnepomukqueryclient4 too?
[05:51]  * ScottK is assuming yes, so make sure I find out if that's not right, please.
[05:57] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, bed time.
[06:03] <ScottK> ryanakca: It might be nice to have a notice on the web site mentioning that KDE SC 4.4 Beta 1 is released, but we are still working on packages.
[06:09] <nixternal> I wouldn't put up the notice until packages are released...people seem to miss the "we are still working on packages" bit...release notice shouldn't be posted until release
[06:10] <nixternal> not only the packages are complete, but we have tested them...instead of slinging up a notice and letting those who decide to try it out do the testing and find out this is trying to overwrite that, etc.
[06:11] <nixternal> plus, KDE 4.4 Beta 1 seems to have broken compositing 95% of the time :(
[06:12] <nixternal> unless of course we cherry picked the fixes for it
[06:12] <ScottK> We didn't.
[06:12] <ScottK> Yet
[06:12] <ScottK> sebas said something about a new tarball coming soon,
[06:12] <ScottK> We've had people here asking where the packages were so, ...
[06:13] <nixternal> I thought they were not going to release the fix with beta 1 but hold off until beta 2
[06:13] <ScottK> It wasn't released with beta1
[06:13] <nixternal> correct
[06:13] <ScottK> But there may be a special tarball in 'a day or two'
[06:13] <nixternal> ahh
[06:14] <ScottK> List missing on kdebase-workspace == 55 items.
[06:14] <ScottK> I've been working on this bad boy for days.
[06:14] <freeflying> nixternal: it would be appreciated that drop the font patch from debian to force use dejavu as default fonts
[06:15] <ScottK> At least I got through the kdebase-workspace-bin/plasma-widgets-workspace split into plasma-desktop and plasma-netbook.
[06:17] <ScottK> nixternal: Plus there was a BIC change in kdelibs today.  It might make sense to patch that in now, so the archive never has the old version (it's new stuff in 4.4, so we don't need to worry about Karmic/4.3)
[08:52] <woodbj> so whens kde sc 4.4 coming to lucid
[08:52] <Tm_T> "when ready" (:
[08:53] <woodbj> lol ok its just fedora already has it
[08:58] <Mamarok> woodbj: it is only a beta, not meant for productive use
[08:58] <Mamarok> and Lucid is not even Alpha yet
[08:58] <woodbj> so's lucid
[09:31] <fale_> JontheEchidna: I think the fedora team has solved... I'm going to inquire
[11:20] <Lex79> fale: news from fedora team?
[11:20] <fale> Lex79: nope
[11:21] <fale> they are compiling it, but, I guess, with the kde-phonon
[11:21] <Lex79> ok
[11:21] <Lex79> so no patch yet for Qt
[11:22] <fale> Lex79: guess not
[11:22] <Lex79> damn
[11:26] <fale> Lex79: sandsmark is working on it atm
[11:27] <Lex79> yeah I know, I read
[11:28] <fale> Lex79: hehe haven't seen you there ;)
[11:28] <Lex79> when the patch is ready he pokes me
[11:29] <fale> oh, cool ;)
[11:29] <Lex79> yeah
[12:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: ah, right, I remember (IRT soprano not being part of the set)
[13:03] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: oh, libnepomukquery4 moved to kde4libs not runtime
[13:19] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Cool.  As long as it moved.  Thanks.
[13:20] <Lex79> Have I to add "Replaces" to kdelibs?
[13:21] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: could you see if you could push libssh through binary new please? It's the cause of kdebsae-runtime's FTBFS in the ppa
[13:21] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: we may want to move the package to kde4libs altogether
[13:25] <Lex79> ok, I go to lunch
[13:33] <mcas> rgreening: ping
[14:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we could provide a fixed krandr* in a ppa
[14:34] <apachelogger> for xinerama that is
[14:35]  * apachelogger just noticed that darn intel driver does not support hardware acceleration hence no 3d with xinerama
[14:35] <apachelogger> also video playback is a bit tricky :S
[15:07] <neversfelde> someone already working on new kobby packages?
[15:09] <Lex79> nope
[15:09] <Lex79> neversfelde: can you do kmess 2.0.2 ?
[15:10] <ryanakca> neversfelde: new kobby packages?
[15:10] <neversfelde> ryanakca: beta4 is out
[15:10] <neversfelde> Lex79: yes, I hope my laptop is ok again, I made a backup on an NTFS device :(
[15:11] <Lex79> urgh we hope then :)
[15:12] <ryanakca> neversfelde: Ah, he moved off of github. I'll update my packages in Debian and thet we can sync
[15:13] <neversfelde> ryanakca: cool :)
[15:30] <Quintasan> It's just me or it's stupid to not be able to enter media player's data while in MTP mode? Amarok hooks it :/
[15:33] <apachelogger> cannot compute
[16:51] <Quintasan> What's gluon?
[16:53] <Daskreech> You know QtCreator?
[17:00] <Daskreech> Wow
[17:00] <Daskreech> Just read a blog post on Planet of someone saying they Liked Kubuntu 9.10
[17:01] <Daskreech> They haven't blogged in nearly 3 years. That's a pretty nice accomplishment
[17:02] <Quintasan> Daskreech: sure I do
[17:06] <Daskreech> Quintasan: It's that but for OpenGL games and kde-games
[17:06] <Quintasan> ah
[17:09] <Daskreech> Amazing growth
[17:09] <Daskreech> Hopefully soon we can have a Tux Diner dash written in a week :-)
[17:10] <Quintasan> Daskreech: this needs, packaging, where I can grab the source?
[17:12] <Daskreech> Git
[17:13] <Daskreech> Should be easy to find once you hit gitorious It's one of the most active projects
[17:14] <Quintasan> kay
[17:16] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Looking.
[17:16] <Daskreech> Quintasan: http://gitorious.net/gluon
[17:17] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: It seems to need MIR too.
[17:19] <ScottK> Did anyone do the libssh MIR?
[17:20] <Lex79> nope
[17:20] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'm going to leave it in New.  I can promote it to Main at the time I accept it, but not after, so let's get the MIR situation worked out first.
[17:21] <ScottK> Lex79: We need that done then.  At the very least I can't put it in Main without the MIR drafted.
[17:22] <Lex79> I'm quite busy now, maybe Quintasan can look at it
[17:22] <Quintasan> look at what?
[17:22] <ScottK> Quintasan: MIR for libssh
[17:23] <Quintasan> urgh, in few moments, need to get kdeplasma-addons done, this microblog patch is damn weird
[17:23] <jussi01> hrm, stasks is being funny... my things are right aligned instead of left...
[17:25] <Daskreech> Maybe it's Arabic?
[17:26] <jussi01> Daskreech: hehe
[17:35] <neversfelde> bug 492899 needs a sponsor
[17:38] <ulysses__> what does it mean, the sponsorship?
[17:41] <neversfelde> ulysses__: I am not allowed to upload to the archives myself and I need someone who can review the package and do this for me
[17:41] <ulysses__> Then I can't help, i am only an user who interesting to be a Timelord:(
[17:42] <Quintasan> ScottK: I'm going to take a walk and I will write up a MIR.
[17:43] <ScottK> Quintasan: Excellent.  Thanks.
[17:44] <Daskreech> ulysses__: have you been given a project?
[17:44] <ScottK> ulysses__: Interested in learning how to help in Kubuntu development?
[17:44] <ulysses__> Daskreech: I translated lots of the Kubuntu System documentation in Karmic
[17:45] <ulysses__> ScottK: Yes
[17:46] <ScottK> ulysses__: You might want to see if Quintasan will help you with the Main Inclusion Report (MIR) for libssh when he gets back instead of doing it himself.  It's mostly research, but the questions you have to answer will be a good learning experience for getting involved in development.
[17:47] <ulysses__> ScottK: I will do my best, I hope.
[17:47] <ScottK> ulysses__: Great.
[17:47] <ScottK> Quintasan: ^^^ New minion.  Please be gentle.
[17:47] <ulysses__> :D
[17:47] <jjesse> yay for minions :)
[17:48] <Daskreech> ulysses__: Good i was going to throw the docbook at you anyway :)
[17:48] <ScottK> Well it's good, but it gets compicated when the minions have minions.
[17:48] <Lex79> lol
[17:48] <jjesse> and if those minions have minions as well
[17:48] <jjesse> how far do you want to go :)
[17:49] <Daskreech> Just make some meta minions
[17:49] <Daskreech> It's one of the issues
[17:49] <jjesse> haha
[17:49] <ulysses__> chain-minions?:)
[17:49]  * Daskreech files that in the issue tracker
[17:49] <ulysses__> or minion-chain?
[17:53] <ScottK> Well eventually they graduate.
[17:53] <ScottK> JontheEchidna recently escaped the last vestiages of minionhood.
[17:54] <Daskreech> We kicked him into orbit?
[18:16]  * ryanakca sighs a he  key no working on his keyboard :/
[18:19] <Daskreech> Tiem for IRC charades!
[18:28] <neversfelde> which packages need a transition to dh --with-kde?
[18:31] <ScottK> neversfelde: I'd suggest we follow Debian in this.
[18:36] <neversfelde> ScottK: ok, thanks
[18:46] <Tm_T> hi
[18:48] <Daskreech> hi
[18:52] <ryanakca> ScottK: should we merge your netbook testing page with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks , or did you want to have a seperate page for KNR ?
[18:53] <ScottK> ryanakca: We probably don't need a separate page.
[18:55] <ryanakca> ScottK: OK. Also, bangarang runs very nicely if nepomuk uses the sesame2 backend... not so nicely if it uses the redland backend. Do you know which will be default for lucid?
[18:56] <ScottK> ryanakca: IIRC we're getting away from sesame2.
[18:58] <Quintasan> ryanakca: where I can get bangarang package?
[18:58] <Quintasan> ryanakca, ScottK: if I'm not outdated with infos then we will try to get virtuoso packaged
[18:59] <ScottK> I believe that's correct
[18:59] <ryanakca> Quintasan: according to http://trueg.wordpress.com/tag/virtuoso/ , it should be default in KDE 4.4
[19:00] <Quintasan> ryanakca: but it should be packaged first :P
[19:00] <ryanakca> Quintasan: http://packages.debian.org/sid/bangarang
[19:01] <ryanakca> You'll need to rebuild it under lucid... it won't build under karmic because I used dh7 + pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.5.0) ...
[19:02] <Quintasan> okay
[19:03] <Daskreech> Quintasan: There is a PPA
[19:06] <Daskreech> It "Works" now
[19:06] <Daskreech> It was a "it compiles ship it!" server for a while
[19:07] <Daskreech> Basically the Debian packages stuck on a server
[19:07] <Daskreech> They actually install now but did so just in time for Qt to screw up Phonon so I can't run it
[19:08] <ryanakca> Quintasan: The latest git clone seems to be reasonably stable though if you want to use it under karmic, git clone git://gitorious.org/bangarang/bangarang.git
[19:08] <ryanakca> Daskreech: That virtuoso?
[19:09] <Daskreech> ryanakca: Banarang
[19:11] <ryanakca> Daskreech: Ah
[19:12] <Daskreech> ryanakca: I really want to try it but it worked literally the day after phono broke :(
[19:13] <ryanakca> Daskreech: I can quickly backport the Debian package for you if you want
[19:14] <Daskreech> \o/
[19:14] <Daskreech> hearing the 4.4 beta 1 might be screwed has been quite a downer
[19:14] <Daskreech> I want to start filing bugs for bangarang as well as Beta 1
[19:15]  * apachelogger thinks nightlies for bangarang would be useful
[19:15] <apachelogger> if only soyuz had builtin support for that :(
[19:15] <apachelogger> we could use OBS though :P
[19:16] <Daskreech> it iwll be once the app can even start
[19:17] <Quintasan> nice
[19:18] <Quintasan> ScottK: Bangarang is going to be a part of netbook remix?
[19:18] <ryanakca> apachelogger: OBS?
[19:19] <apachelogger> suse's soyuz
[19:19] <ryanakca> hehe
[19:19] <Quintasan> wow, and it crashed
[19:19] <ryanakca> Didn't nixternal have a nightly build script for some random application at one point?
[19:20] <Daskreech> Neon?
[19:21] <apachelogger> ryanakca: there is a dailybuilds framework for bzr
[19:21] <apachelogger> that is not builtinto soyuz though
[19:21] <apachelogger> which makes OBS a superior solution when it comes to regularly built snapshots
[19:22] <ryanakca> apachelogger: ... does it build .debs ?
[19:23] <ryanakca> I don't think it would be too difficult, 'git pull && dch -i -option_that_doesnt_popup_editor && dbuild -I.git -i\.git -S -sa && cd .. && dput your_ppa bangarang-with-the-greatest-version-number.dsc' ... could ask the nightly chromium people how they make theirs...
[19:23] <ryanakca> s/dbuild/debuild/
[19:24] <apachelogger> ryanakca: yes it does build debs
[19:24] <Daskreech> ryanakca: it builds anything you want
[19:24] <apachelogger> which also makes it superior, since you can deploy packages for all major distros
[19:24] <apachelogger> not the best ones, but working ones
[19:25] <apachelogger> ryanakca: my point is that a) requires a solution that needs to be maintained and b) a machine to execute it
[19:25] <apachelogger> and that machine requires maintenance too
[19:26]  * ryanakca nods
[19:28] <Quintasan> ScottK: what should I put in security, it's a ssh library so security flaws are rather not welcome
[19:46] <Quintasan> ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/libsshMainInclusionRequest ->> that's what I came up with
[19:48] <Quintasan> Lex79: got a second?
[19:53] <Lex79> Quintasan: for that ^ ?
[19:53] <Quintasan> Lex79: no
[19:54] <Quintasan> Lex79: I'm fighting with social from the start patch :/
[19:55] <Quintasan> Lex79: http://pastebin.com/f65fd897f <-- patch
[19:56] <Quintasan> Lex79: http://pastebin.ca/1703379 <-- bug, I'm wondering if it wouldn't be better to leave this section as it was and chage the rest
[19:58] <Lex79> Quintasan: keep the original patch and make it disable for now, we should rewrite that patch
[19:58] <Quintasan> hmm okay
[20:01] <Lex79> Quintasan: don't forget to add in changelog which we have to rewrite causes ftbs
[20:02] <ScottK> Quintasan: We are going to look at bangarang for KNR.
[20:05] <Quintasan> Lex79: I did :)
[20:05] <Lex79> I can't build kdepim without kdebase-runtime since it's required by kdepim-runtime and with a lower version of pim-runtime much stuff of kdepim gone
[20:05] <Quintasan> ScottK: Good, I hope it will be ready by then because it certainly looks interesting
[20:06] <Lex79> looking kdebindings now, I'm sure will be ftbs :)
[20:09] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: How comes your abbreviated version of runtime so we can move things along?
[20:10] <maco> lucid will be kde 4.3 or 4.4?
[20:10] <ScottK> 4.4
[20:10] <maco> thats what i thought
[20:10] <maco> popey said he'd heard 4.3 so i had to check
[20:12] <Daskreech> It's the latest KDE which exists at the time
[20:13] <Lex79> ScottK: JontheEchidnan needs libssh in main to build runtime, without that we haven't sftp kioslave in runtime
[20:13] <Daskreech>  hisoraiclly we ship on the last thursday of the month so we normally ship anywhere from a few days to two weeks before the KDE 4.x.3 ships
[20:14] <ScottK> Lex79: I know, but he was also working on disabling phonon stuff for now
[20:21] <neversfelde> maco: did you review minitube?
[20:22] <maco> neversfelde: not the updated one
[20:22] <neversfelde> maco: it is only a bugfix release, there should be no changes
[20:26] <neversfelde> were there any problems with the package?
[20:28] <neversfelde> bug 492905 needs a sponsor
[20:28] <Quintasan> ScottK: how's MIR? Did I forget anything?
[20:28] <ScottK> Quintasan: Looks OK.
[20:29] <ScottK> workspace list-missing down to 22.
[20:29]  * ScottK takes a break.
[20:38] <yofel> is there a chance that the kde 4.4 beta will make it into lucid? (for testing)
[20:38] <ScottK> yofel: Yes, but probably not today.
[20:38] <yofel> ScottK: ok, till end of the week or longer?
[20:39] <ScottK> I'd guess certainly within a week.
[20:39] <yofel> ok, thanks!
[20:39] <ScottK> Probably a day or three.
[20:44] <Lex79> neversfelde: you have to switch from libqt4-phonon-dev to libphonon-dev in kmess
[20:52] <neversfelde> Lex79: oh, yes. I always forget about that
[20:53] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/files/konqsysinfo.png  <-- purty
[21:09] <Quintasan> Lex79: should I change liblancelot0.install to liblancelot1.install if library filename is liblancelot.so.1.7.0 now?
[21:17] <neversfelde> Lex79: uploaded a corrected version
[21:18] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: oh, crippling phonon was easy. I've uploaded an sftp-less version to the ppa to move things along
[21:18] <ScottK> Great.
[21:20] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: We ought to consider putting it in the archive this way while these issues get sorted out if things are otherwise ready.
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> Yes, I think that would be acceptable too
[21:20] <ScottK> Lex79: Is Qt 4.6.0 ready?  Did fabo upload it to Debian yet and did you look at what he did?
[21:21] <ScottK> Getting close on workspace.
[21:21] <ScottK> BBIAB
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> upstream has quite a few caveats for its release. what's a few more for a first alpha gonna do
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> *first beta
[21:23]  * JontheEchidna kicks off kdebase
[21:42] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: what is a crippled Phonon capable of?
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> of not having the phonon config module in systemsettings
[21:47] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: but phonon will still work?
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> dunno
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> I broke my phonon install before all this, so I'm not sure
[21:48] <Daskreech> oh . what happened?
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> Qt 4.6 rc was binary incompatible with stuff built against 4.6 beta, and I had happened to be testing phonon stuff built against 4.6 beta
[21:49] <Daskreech> Ah me too
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> so yeah, stuff using phonon has been crashing for me for a bit now
[21:53] <Quintasan> usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma-applet-opendesktop-activities/plasma-applet-opendesktop-activities.notifyrc
[21:53] <Quintasan> where should this land? plasma-widget-addons.install?
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> sounds right
[21:55] <Quintasan> LOLOLOLOL
[21:55] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: should qt final work better? 4.4 beta 1 will be built against 4.6 final ?
[21:56] <Quintasan> marble wallpapers FTBFS - NormalQuality should be Normal instead :D
[21:56] <Quintasan> patch'd
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> Daskreech: well, stuff built against 4.6 beta still needs to be rebuilt regardless. But yes, 4.4 beta is being built against 4.6.0, and once the phonon backends can be built they'll be built against 4.6.0
[21:57] <Daskreech> OK
[22:47] <Quintasan> Lex79: your packaging speed never ceases to amaze me :O
[23:12] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Just pushed ppa2 for workspace.  Should have list-missing + nothing.  Still doing a local build to check.
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> nice
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> grr, missed an sftp file in the .installs
[23:24] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'm also going to upload Qt 4.6.0
[23:38] <ScottK> Looks like kdeedu still needs doing.
[23:39] <ScottK> ~ninjas
[23:39] <kubotu> apachelogger, JontheEchidna, Lex79, neversfelde, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin, nixternal, Quintasan and vorian ... to the Batcave!
[23:40] <ScottK> No need to go to the batcave, but 4.4 beta 1 is still way not done.
[23:40] <ScottK> Let's get to work folks ... https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[23:40] <maco> ScottK: do these get pulled through debian? or are we merging with upstream source?
[23:40] <ScottK> maco: We're packaging upstream.
[23:41] <ScottK> Debian is skipping this release.
[23:41] <ScottK> maco: Anything that doesn't have a name by it you're welcome to take.
[23:41] <ScottK> welcome/encouraged
[23:42] <maco> lucid has to be finished before karmic starts, right?
[23:42] <ScottK> Yes
[23:42] <maco> ok
[23:42] <ScottK> Skip kdebindings.
[23:43] <JontheEchidna> it's not unusual for kdebindings to ftbfs until the release candidates
[23:43] <JontheEchidna> in fact that's what usually happens
[23:43] <Quintasan> ScottK: I'm fighting with utils, kdelirc yelds no files but the source is there :/
[23:43] <ScottK> The first beta is generally when bindings development starts
[23:43] <Quintasan> like something in CMakeRules is missing :/
[23:44] <ScottK> Quintasan: Look at workspace.  There are some new lirc files there.  Perhaps stuff moved?
[23:45] <maco> ScottK: thanks for the warning. thats what i was gonna grab
[23:47] <neversfelde> I have only a netbook here, so I can only do minor tasks. What needs to be done there?
[23:47] <ScottK> maco: It's also generally the most fragile one we have.  Even for the RC's, it can be tough.
[23:47] <maco> good to know
[23:47] <ScottK> neversfelde: Could you work on artwork?
[23:48] <ScottK> maco: How about kdeedu then?
[23:48] <maco> ScottK: i can try
[23:48] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[23:49] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Starting from the top of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph I think we can start uploading when stuff is ready (e.g. you could do plasma-addons now).
[23:50] <ScottK> They key is to get it all to depwait before we upload kde4libs.
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> I'll do plasma-addons after I get finished with kdebase
[23:50] <neversfelde> ScottK: yes
[23:51] <ScottK> According to the wiki it's done, just needs pushed.
[23:51]  * ScottK has to leave in 10 minutes to go retrieve one of the teenagers.
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> cool
[23:52] <ScottK> If the Qt4 source package finished building by then I'll upload it.
[23:53] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Of course when I say 'pushed', I mean reviewed by a kubuntu-dev to make sure it's good and uploaded to the archive....
[23:53] <JontheEchidna> right
[23:54] <maco> do we version these as 4.4b1 or what? they're 4.3.80 online it seems
[23:54] <ScottK> maco: 4.3.80
[23:55] <maco> k
[23:55] <ScottK> maco: Remember this is the first time we're packaging anything from the 4.4 series, so the package may have changed a lot from what we have.
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> this is generaaly the toughest packaging sprint of the cycle
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> luckily kdeedu is pretty tame
[23:57] <maco> ScottK: i'm hoping that any patches we have are in a patch management system
[23:57] <maco> because merging isnt fun
[23:57] <ScottK> maco: They are.
[23:57] <maco> yay!
[23:57] <ScottK> (quilt)
[23:58] <ScottK> maco: list-missing is an essential tool for this stage to make sure we package everything.


[05:42] <didrocks> good morning
[05:43] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[05:51] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:00] <jamesh> hi didrocks
[06:03] <didrocks> hey jamesh
[06:03] <didrocks> happy Friday
[06:05] <jamesh> didrocks: I'
[06:05] <jamesh> ve got a snapped GTK 2 app displaying with Yaru: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/improving-theme-support-for-gtk-2-apps/7693
[06:05] <jamesh> without just copying Yaru theme data into the snap
[06:09] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:13] <didrocks> jamesh: I think the Yaru CI would need some help from you thus to publish the gtk2 variant there (or we can say we don't really care and do regular snapshot on your side)
[06:13] <didrocks> jamesh: ah, "without copying"? how come?
[06:13] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN
[06:14] <didrocks> ah, you wrote more on the thread apparently, you linked to first post that I've read yesterday already :p
[06:14] <jamesh> didrocks: we're creating a gtk2-common-themes snap
[06:14] <jamesh> so I guess we are copying it: just not into the application snap
[06:14] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, hey jamesh
[06:15] <didrocks> ok, I was puzzled by your "without just copying" :)
[06:15] <didrocks> jamesh: sounds good, you are doing regular snapshot to pick latest Yaru? I wonder if the CI shouldn't be the same than for gtk-common-themes
[06:15] <didrocks> (for any takers…)
[06:16] <jamesh> didrocks: kenvandine set up CI for it here: https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gtk2-common-themes
[06:17] <jamesh> so it is similar to gtk-common-themes
[06:17] <didrocks> jamesh: well, Yaru is building and refreshing gtk-common-themes
[06:18] <didrocks> and it's also creating per PR-snap
[06:18] <didrocks> I doubt you have that already :p
[06:18] <didrocks> (as this is done Yaru-side)
[06:18] <jamesh> ah
[06:19] <didrocks> also, with this split (not shipping gtk2 in gtk-common-themes), I'm pretty sure the Yaru CI reinjects it
[06:19] <didrocks> maybe something that Ken is going to look at?
[06:20] <jamesh> didrocks: the main reason for having a second snap is that gtk-common-themes is arch independent, while gtk2-common-themes can't be
[06:21] <jamesh> although perhaps another option would be to only separate the engines into the arch dependent snap
[06:21] <didrocks> jamesh: yeah, I guess that's fine, but we need to coordonate to ensure that there is no side-effects, like the CI
[06:21] <didrocks> hum, not  bad idea
[06:21] <didrocks> jamesh: I actually prefer that one, if possible at all
[06:21] <didrocks> that way, all assets are in a single place
[06:22] <didrocks> do you think this would be easily feasible? (I think you then need to have 2 connections)
[06:22] <didrocks> (especially as the engines are reused between a lot of themes…)
[06:26] <jamesh> it'd definitely be possible.  We're not locked into anything yet
[06:26] <jamesh> and it would probably simplify things overall.
[06:26] <didrocks> yeah, I'm thinking about "always connect this theme interface" + that one if you are gtk2
[06:26] <didrocks> maybe it's a better story
[06:27] <didrocks> (developer side, ofc, once the autoconnect is done)
[06:29] <jamesh> the gtk2-common-themes is currently 280K, with about half of that being the engines
[06:30] <jamesh> so moving the theme data to gtk-common-themes would be lost in the noise, given all the icon themes.
[06:33] <didrocks> yeah, I think that really makes sense
[06:59] <jamesh> didrocks: Ken also mentioned that snaps using xenial's GTK looked bad under Yaru.   But the regression, no.
[07:55] <duflu> I am ignoring it.
[07:55] <duflu> gnome-shell (master) seems to crash a lot more now, so waiting for proper bug reports from release binaries to verify it's true
[07:56] <duflu> Mine is running from git so isn't technically a proper Ubuntu bug report
[07:57] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:57] <seb128> hey duflu willcooke
[07:58] <duflu> willcooke, on the upside, Gnome guys were surprised and taunting me for how old our gjs/mozjs was. So we can better coordinate bugs with them now
[08:00] <duflu> Now guys, but one guy recently
[08:00] <duflu> -Now +Not
[08:00] <duflu> Sigh. Weekend in 2h
[08:03]  * Laney nod
[08:03] <popey> Good morning
[08:03] <duflu> Hi Laney, popey
[08:03] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:03] <seb128> duflu, we don't have much choice that keeping up with mozjs update for security reasons (same as firefox & co)
[08:04] <seb128> it's unfortunate that the update landed so late yet
[08:04] <seb128> but there is little we could do to change that
[08:04] <duflu> seb128, yeah I read your email saying that simultaneously to your IRC notification :)
[08:04] <seb128> :)
[08:04] <duflu> biab
[08:05] <seb128> Trevinho, Laney, bug #1796238 is a new from the mozjs update, just as a fyi, I tagged as rls-cc-incoming so we review it next week
[08:08] <seb128> didrocks, we had language-selector not prompting to install extras if opened on a new install for "main" locales in bionic right? I did a cosmic daily install yesterday and opening it prompted to install those, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3vSDjSsXpw/
[08:08] <seb128> that looks like a regression right?
[08:08] <Laney> ok, is it forwarded?
[08:08] <seb128> duflu, ^
[08:25] <willcooke> duflu, fyi, t_jaalton has a new libinput for cosmic too
[08:25] <duflu> Not forwarded. I'm seeing a few new crashes and don't have time/interest to log them all today. They may be unique to me using git master. If not then wait and see what errors.ubuntu.com says starting next week
[08:37] <Trevinho> Ok I see if can be reproduced here. Andrea had an isauw with --replace, not sure is the same
[08:38] <Trevinho> In case duflu do you have a bt full too?
[08:39] <duflu> Trevinho, no I deleted the core and have had many more since (mostly from using gnome-shell, not shutdown)
[08:41] <duflu> Trevinho, there are some other new issues in 18.10 if you're interested... https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu 18.10&package=gnome-shell&period=week
[08:41] <duflu> https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2018.10&package=gnome-shell&period=week
[08:43] <Laney> I'm going to upload the gjs point release today, so you might want to wait and see if that makes any difference
[08:46] <duflu> I'm now using gjs master (after the problems started) because I need to make further changes
[08:46] <duflu> And master is crashing too
[08:47] <Laney> I'm really talking about errors.ubuntu.com
[08:56] <jibel> oSoMoN, https://code.launchpad.net/~fitojb/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/logo-refresh/+merge/353025 has already been merged. Can you submit another MP with the updated icons?
[09:38] <willcooke> Laney, is your n-m fix in the new iso?  It seems to be a lot better
[09:38] <willcooke> but might be luck
[09:39] <jibel> willcooke, it's luck
[09:40] <jibel> 1.12.2 is still on the image
[09:42] <Laney> it's in the pending one
[09:42] <jibel> ah sorry, I was looking at currnet
[09:43] <Laney> np
[09:46] <willcooke> woot, thanks Laney
[09:46] <willcooke> it does seem better
[09:48] <Laney> that's good
[10:09] <andyrock> Trevinho: duflu does not looks the same crash I'm getting as I still run mozjs52
[10:41] <Trevinho> ah, ok
[10:42] <Trevinho> duflu: I'm on https://launchpad.net/bugs/1422253 well one case for that, I've a reproducer and debugged everything. Need to decide the strategy though :)
[10:43] <duflu> Trevinho, I suggest using the newer bug. So we are not seen to be closing the same one twice
[10:43] <Trevinho> duflu: yeah I just linked the one pointed by e.u.c, but I'm using the new one indeed
[10:43] <Trevinho> just it was the fast link on that page
[11:00] <duflu> Well I'm now overdue for dinner. Night Trevinho. Although you might like these: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/253 and https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gjs/merge_requests/236
[11:02] <oSoMoN> jibel, https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/libreoffice-icons-update/+merge/356186
[11:03] <duflu> Laney, if you are updating gjs then try !236
[12:29] <Laney> are ubuntu-session/gnome-session binary packages Arch: any only because of the [linux-any] restriction on xwayland?
[12:39] <Laney> i.e. does https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/commit/?id=b0c8f8d0be82c81c3b883556fbaf1d8519115228 make sense?
[12:52] <Laney> bueller
[12:56] <willcooke> Laney, seb is on the road atm, he'll be back in a couple of hours
[12:58] <didrocks> I think it was due to the restrction on xwayland, but IIRC, it's jbicha who did this
[12:59] <didrocks> Laney: for consistency, missing comma on xwayland as you did below, mind doing it? :)
[12:59] <didrocks> #consistency
[13:00]  * Laney feels nitpicked, but ok
[13:00] <didrocks> trailing comma is a real passion of mine :)
[13:00] <didrocks> thx!
[13:01] <Laney> weird passion
[13:01] <Laney> :-)
[13:01] <Laney> anyway if there is any feedback on the actual thing I asked I would like to hear it
[13:01] <didrocks> less diff in future commits :)
[13:01] <didrocks> well, I linked jbicha, that's the best I can do
[13:01] <Laney> yes
[13:04]  * Laney tries to remember how to make bileto run proposed-migration
[13:05] <Laney> Lander Signoff I think
[14:40] <seb128> good afternoon desktopers
[14:40] <willcooke> hey seb128
[14:40] <seb128> hey willcooke
[14:40] <seb128> how is the day going around here?
[14:40] <willcooke> Been quiet
[14:41] <willcooke> Laney's n-m fix has made things a lot better for me
[14:41] <oSoMoN> hey seb128
[14:41] <seb128> hey oSoMoN
[14:42] <didrocks> seb128: how was the road?
[14:42] <seb128> uneventfull
[14:42] <oSoMoN> looking forward to the week-end, going to a local microbrewery for dinner, but I've got plenty of things to wrap up before that can happen
[14:42] <seb128> a bit of traffic but not being stopped/blocked
[14:42] <didrocks> seb128: on your langpack/additional languages questions. Indeed, on 16.04, we had no prompt for every languages by default on the iso
[14:42] <didrocks> good :)
[14:42] <seb128> oSoMoN, ah, nice, enjoy!
[14:43] <seb128> didrocks, oh, it was 16.04, not 18.04?
[14:43] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, time flies :)
[14:43]  * didrocks can find the email, maybe
[14:44] <seb128> "Default languages strategy for Ubuntu desktop CD" on ubuntu-devel
[14:44] <didrocks> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2015-December/039028.html
[14:44] <seb128> from 2015
[14:44] <didrocks> yep
[14:44] <didrocks> ;)
[14:44] <didrocks> so 16.04
[14:45] <seb128> I guess it was already regressed in bionic
[14:45] <seb128> what happens when you don't have tests :/
[14:45] <didrocks> could be, I don't think anybody looked at it
[14:45] <didrocks> yeah, when we don't have test infra for this…
[14:47] <didrocks> seb128: you only installed in english, not french?
[14:48] <didrocks> (at least, you could install, unlike me in my qemu :p)
[14:48] <seb128> didrocks, that was a french install, so I guess the french part was correctly installed
[14:49] <didrocks> seb128: this is weird, hunspell-en-ca is part of the seed
[14:49] <Laney> iso tracker test for that would be good meanwhile
[14:49] <seb128> right
[14:50] <didrocks> they are all listed
[14:51] <didrocks> so, could be ubiquity regressed and remove them?
[14:51]  * didrocks looks at the manifest
[14:52] <didrocks> yeah, they are seeded
[14:52] <didrocks> which was the change I did
[14:52] <didrocks> (at the time)
[14:53] <didrocks> so, ubiquity seems to remove them for $reason
[14:54] <seb128> or maybe my install/testing was buggy in some way
[14:54] <seb128> I'm going to look again next time I do an install
[14:54] <didrocks> yeah, I would be surprised if this was a buggy testing though
[14:55] <didrocks> so, some logic should have changed somewhere
[16:04] <k_alam> seb123: Hi, regarding this https://code.launchpad.net/~madsrh/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/Yaru-CSS/+merge/355913 Can you accept a merge proposal for Ambiance like the flavor does, even if unity is not an official flavor? Unity still use Ambiance.
[16:05] <seb128> k_alam, I guess that was for me?
[16:06] <k_alam> Ah, yes.
[16:06] <seb128> sure; submit it and I can review
[16:06] <k_alam> Thanks.
[16:08] <jbicha> Laney: yes, xwayland is why those packages were any instead of all
[16:09] <Laney> hi jbicha
[16:09] <Laney> I'm going to upload that then
[17:10] <oSoMoN> have a good week-end everyone!
[17:14] <willcooke> Trevinho, still around?  Do you have a link to that Electron bug that hardcoded some Unity 7 reference for appindicators
[17:16] <didrocks> I have the fix I pushed
[17:16] <didrocks> but should be release since then
[17:16] <didrocks> willcooke: that was fixed in https://github.com/electron/electron/pull/12844
[17:17] <didrocks> automatically backported to Electron 2 via https://github.com/electron/electron/pull/12964
[17:17] <willcooke> thanks didrocks
[17:18] <willcooke> didrocks, there was a specific appindicator issue as well I think
[17:18] <willcooke> do you remember that one?
[17:18] <willcooke> it was more recently?
[17:19] <didrocks> I think Trevinho wanted to avoid the hardcoded list
[17:19] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:19] <didrocks> but this at least make the appindicator working with electron apps on ubuntu
[17:20] <didrocks> (anything that has "ubuntu" in XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP: https://github.com/electron/electron/pull/12844/files#diff-c43192418c9f922db7cce8d28487445dR175)
[17:21] <didrocks> ofc upstream needs to build with a recent even electron version (one with that fix)
[17:21] <didrocks> but given it's been release in May, I think most of them have
[17:22] <kenvandine> didrocks: i think the question here is for non-ubuntu distributions
[17:23] <kenvandine> maybe dropping the hard coded list improves that
[17:23] <kenvandine> not dropping
[17:23] <kenvandine> but resolving it programmatically
[17:24] <didrocks> ah, for non ubuntu but which have appindicator, is there any apart from people installing the extension manually?
[17:24] <didrocks> isn't that niche?
[17:24] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:41] <willcooke> I seem to remember something about Unity being checked for specifically
[17:41] <willcooke> oh, he's gone :)
[17:41] <willcooke> about time too didrocks :)
[17:43] <kenvandine> yes
[17:44] <kenvandine> i ping marco on telegram
[17:45] <kenvandine> waiting for a reply
[17:45] <kenvandine> i'm about ready to hit send on this message :)
[17:47] <Trevinho> willcooke: I'm here
[17:47] <kenvandine> Trevinho: hey!
[17:47] <kenvandine> didn't you have another electron fix related to appindicators?
[17:47] <Trevinho> So... No I've not a bug. But I wanted to do it
[17:48] <kenvandine> i see
[17:48] <kenvandine> ok
[17:48] <Trevinho> Problem is that IIRC the part to touch was somewhere inside libchormium
[17:48] <Trevinho> But need to check as they changed things a bit recently
[17:48] <kenvandine> ok
[17:49] <Trevinho> Ideally we should just check the presency of a dbus name and call a version method
[17:50] <Trevinho> Something I've in my brain for a while, but never had the time.
[17:50] <Trevinho> Together with supporting launcher emblems
[17:50] <kenvandine> Trevinho: is this something that could help our snaps on other distros?
[17:50] <kenvandine> i guess of course :)
[17:50] <kenvandine> if the extension is available, it would use it
[17:57] <seb128> have a nice w.e desktopers!
[17:58] <Trevinho> kenvandine: yep that's the point
[17:59] <Trevinho> Although one task should also done is a semplificaton of the whole protocol
[18:00] <Trevinho> There were already proposals... With the usage of gmenumodel
[18:00] <willcooke> I wonder if this is what I was thinking of:  https://github.com/electron/electron/commit/dc43dc2a1316d5f96e1c3a9cf6079c4150214f66
[18:03] <Trevinho> Indeed my comment still applies 😅
[18:07] <willcooke> :)
[18:20] <kenvandine> Trevinho: thanks
[18:21] <Trevinho> willcooke: I can allocate some time for that if you and seb are fine, let me know
[18:22] <kenvandine> Trevinho: we'll let you know, that isn't a high priority right now
[18:22] <kenvandine> but might change
[18:27] <willcooke> oh
[18:27] <willcooke> sorry missed the ping
[18:27] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[18:28] <willcooke> yeah, dont worry
[19:22] <andyrock> kenvandine:
[19:23] <andyrock> evince from snap does not show the desktop icon
[19:23] <andyrock> is this a known issue?
[19:24] <kenvandine> No... Which theme?
[19:24] <andyrock> ambiance
[19:24] <kenvandine> On 18.04?
[19:24] <andyrock> yep
[19:24] <kenvandine> I'll look into it
[19:25] <andyrock> thx!
[20:39] <kenvandine> andyrock: sigh... yaru provides org.gnome.Evince but humanity doesn't
[20:40] <kenvandine> this application icon situation is terrible
[20:40] <kenvandine> if we want to use themed icons, we need the icon name to be stable
[20:40] <kenvandine> upstream renaming them has screwed things up :(