[04:25] <narindergupta> facubatista, I am using juju deploy .
[05:22] <mup> Issue operator#371 opened: Use controller storage if no local storage exists <Created by stub42> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/371>
[09:17] <Chipaca> moin moin moin
[09:17] <Chipaca> (my previous good morning went to the wrong channel)
[09:18] <jam> morning @Chipaca
[09:18] <Chipaca> heh, the mattermost effect
[09:20] <bthomas> 🌅 Good Morning 🌅
[09:21] <Chipaca> 🏜
[09:25] <bthomas> :) only missing a rattle snake
[09:38] <Chipaca> I think I'm going to make the tests of a 'charmcraft init' charm fail
[09:38] <Chipaca> until the author does the XXXs :)
[09:43] <bthomas> How about a message saying what XXX is along with the failed message ?
[09:43] <Chipaca> yup
[09:43] <Chipaca> (that's already there)
[09:44] <Chipaca> you see the messages when you charmcraft init already
[09:51] <ballot> Hello !
[09:52] <ballot> Chipaca: trying to test your code change, however, unlike pjdc, when I run a "juju run --unit mm-pd-bot/3 -- pod-spec-set --file /pod.json --k8s-resources /k8s.json", it hangs doing nothing
[09:52] <ballot> same goes for any juju run really ...
[09:52] <ballot> I realize I never tried a juju run on a k8s charm
[09:53] <Chipaca> jam: that works, right?
[09:54] <jam> Chipaca, I had just been trying to say good morning in mattermost, and immediately decided to say hello here instead
[09:54] <jam> ballot, Chipaca IIRC in 2.8 you can't juju run on K8s because it uses 'juju ssh' under the hood and K8s containers don't run ssh
[09:55] <jam> I think they are working on that for 2.9, though I would be surprised that it just hangs.
[09:56] <Chipaca> ballot: ^ :-/
[09:56] <ballot> interesting
[09:56] <ballot> As a workaround, what would be the right move to use pod-spec-set with the right context then ?
[09:57] <ballot> (lacking juju knowledge)
[09:57] <jam> ballot, hack it into your charm and test that way?
[09:57] <jam> kubectl exec ?
[09:57] <jam> but kubectl wouldn't have the context
[10:00] <ballot> i've created the file on the operator pod right now, but if I run it directly from there I have : ERROR JUJU_CONTEXT_ID not set
[10:01] <ballot> yeah, that's the issue, I'm trying to see if Chipaca's branch fixes https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1880637
[10:01] <ballot> what is strange is that pjdc could do it ...
[10:01] <ballot> oh well I can try a more recent juju
[10:04] <Chipaca> ballot: maybe he wasn't using a k8s charm
[10:04] <ballot> nevermind I'll just hack through my charm and separate kubernetesResources from the pod_spec and test this way
[10:05] <ballot> Chipaca: I doubt it, but I'll make it work somehow :). But after lunch. Never stand between a frenchman and his lunch !
[10:05]  * Chipaca would never
[10:06] <Chipaca> reminds me i need to go to the shops to set fire to some baguettes
[10:06]  * Chipaca runs
[10:07] <Chipaca> jk i need to buy some hydration … pills? the fizzy kind
[10:38]  * Chipaca bbiab
[10:45] <facubatista> ¡Muy buenos días a todos!
[10:51] <bthomas> Morning
[11:26] <facubatista> hola bthomas
[11:31] <bthomas> yep
[11:31] <bthomas> how can I be for service facubatista
[11:32] <bthomas> just watched the testing.Harness video by Paul Goins you gave me last week
[11:36] <facubatista> awesome
[12:34] <ballot> Chipaca: I confirm your fix works
[12:34] <Chipaca> ballot: \\\\\oooo/////
[12:35] <ballot> Chipaca: I have a WIP branch waiting for your change to land then :) : https://code.launchpad.net/~ballot/charm-k8s-mm-pd-bot/+git/charm-k8s-mm-pd-bot/+merge/389156
[12:38] <ballot> The pastebin showing the fix : https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/VPpRGpr9D8/
[12:38] <ballot> Updating the github PR
[12:40] <mup> Issue operator#293 closed: passing k8s_resources to pod.set_spec does not work <juju-workaround> <Created by jetpackdanger> <Closed by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/293>
[12:40] <mup> PR operator#369 closed: use yaml instead of json for pod-spec-set call <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/369>
[12:40] <Chipaca> ballot: ^^^ :)
[12:40] <ballot> ah ! too fast for me :)
[12:40] <ballot> Just updated the PR with my findings
[12:41] <ballot> well, all good, I'll check for secrets and configmaps later on to have a real "k8s friendly" configuration pattern then, thanks for the help Chipaca
[12:41] <Chipaca> thanks for testing!
[12:57] <bthomas> I thought the standard for naming Python unittest tests was test_* . The prometheus charm has "tese" as a suffix. Also it is lacking a package initializer (__init__.py) so if I use a script such as "run_tests" it does not run any tests.
[13:01] <Chipaca> bthomas: "tese"?
[13:01] <bthomas> oops test_
[13:02] <bthomas> test files are named charm_test.py instead of test_charm.py
[13:05]  * bthomas goes to get coffee before standup
[13:22] <Chipaca> jam: facubatista: what's a good value of foo in juju_version.has_foo() to know if the juju has state-set/state-get?
[13:22] <Chipaca> has_state()? has_state_get()? has_controller_state()?
[13:22] <facubatista> has_state_setting_capability()
[13:23] <Chipaca> has_embalmed_ones()
[13:23] <Chipaca> has_trained_ones()
[13:23] <Chipaca> has_suckling_pigs()
[13:23] <facubatista> can_set_state()
[13:23] <Chipaca> has_mermaids()
[13:25] <Chipaca> facubatista: can_haz_state()
[13:26] <jam> Chipaca, supports_controller_storage is the one I like
[13:26] <Chipaca> has_controller_storage? :)
[13:27] <jam> Chipaca, if you want your has you can have it
[13:27]  * Chipaca can has it
[13:31] <Chipaca> jam: facubatista: poke
[13:31] <facubatista> oops
[13:31] <jam> sorry, just finishing standup
[13:45] <Chipaca> facubatista: https://grammarist.com/idiom/lay-of-the-land-or-lie-of-the-land/
[13:49] <crodriguez> good day everyone! I'm hitting this issue with a subordinate charm deployed on a ubuntu VM. I'm not sure what is causing it, any idea?  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pMmg365QR8/
[13:52] <Chipaca> crodriguez: hi! at what point do you get that? doing what, i mean
[13:54] <crodriguez> Chipaca, simply by deploying the charm. I don't think it has time to go through any events really, from what I can see in the logs. I didn't run into this before and I have been editing the charm, so maybe something I changed triggered this
[13:55] <crodriguez> I'll go back a few commits and compare if I'm hitting that still
[13:55] <Chipaca> crodriguez: 0.8 looks at JUJU_VERSION for some things, more than 0.7
[13:55] <Chipaca> so it might be us
[13:55] <Chipaca> but it's supposed to always be set, jam checked all the way back to 2.6 or sth
[13:55] <crodriguez> I'm using juju 2.8.1
[13:56] <crodriguez> it's just checking for the JUJU_VERSION environment variable, right?
[13:56] <Chipaca> yep
[13:58] <facubatista> crodriguez, good day!
[13:58] <crodriguez> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/V75wy85pq7/ humm maybe something changed in juju ?
[13:59] <Chipaca> there's no JUJU env vars
[14:00] <jam> crodriguez, "juju run --unit ubuntu/0 env"
[14:01] <jam> That should create a hook environment, where env vars like JUJU_VERSION would be set.
[14:01] <jam> they *aren't* set inside of an SSH session.
[14:01] <narindergupta> Chipaca, I am still getting this error ERROR cannot repackage charm: symlink "config.yaml" is absolute: "/home/ubuntu/narinder/charm-k8s-cassandra/config.yaml"
[14:01] <Chipaca> narindergupta: what are you trying to do?
[14:02] <jam> narindergupta, Chipaca : If you are using charmcraft to build the charm, you need to do "charmcraft build; juju deploy ./CHARMNAME.charm"
[14:02] <narindergupta> Chipaca, I build the charms using charmcraft and now trying to deploy
[14:02] <jam> you can't deploy from the directory itself.
[14:02] <narindergupta> jam, oh ok let me try tht
[14:03] <crodriguez> ah thanks jam. So doing this, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rk8337KpJf/ , looks like the env is set correctly
[14:03] <jam> crodriguez, for your initial pastebin, do you have a bit more context?
[14:03] <jam> I wonder if we are failing to set JUJU_VERSION for something like "during collect-metrics hook"
[14:03] <narindergupta> jam, ok I can confirm that your method is orking
[14:03] <jam> narindergupta, great
[14:04] <jam> narindergupta, I saw that when you were talking last night, but you weren't around for me to mention it :)
[14:04] <crodriguez> jam I can get you a complete pastebin of the charm execution
[14:04] <narindergupta> jam, no worries and thanks;
[14:05] <jam> JUJU_VERSION in hook environments hasn't been around forever, but the line existed in 2017-09
[14:05] <jam> so it definitely should be in ~2.4+
[14:05] <narindergupta> jam, Chipaca I got an install hook error just wondering why we need install in k8s?
[14:06] <jam> narindergupta, you don't have to implement it, but it is a point the framework itself uses to unpack/setup the python environment that the charm executes in.
[14:06] <crodriguez> jam: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WZfMRkvgyn/ that's all there is in /var/log/juju/unit-iscsi-connector-0
[14:07] <narindergupta> jam, in that case should I remove the install hook? As I am getting application-charm-k8s-cassandra: 14:03:28 ERROR juju.worker.uniter.operation hook "install" (via hook dispatching script: dispatch) failed: exit status 1
[14:07] <jam> crodriguez, 2020-08-12 13:39:05 ERROR juju.worker.meterstatus runner.go:77 error running "meter-status-changed": exit status 1
[14:07] <jam> so it is one of the metrics hooks
[14:07] <narindergupta> And I am not aware about the dispatch script
[14:08] <jam> narindergupta, it sounds more like you have a typo/etc in your Charm code, and during 'install' is the first time we try to load your code.
[14:08] <jam> so its less about 'install' and more just we had a problem executing your charm
[14:08] <jam> if you remove 'install' then we'll hit the same thing in whatever other hook we call.
[14:08] <narindergupta> jam, ok let me read my  code once more time then
[14:09] <jam> crodriguez, the reason we don't normally hit that (I believe) is because if you don't have a metrics.yaml file, then Juju doesn't fire the metrics hooks.
[14:09] <crodriguez> mmh.. what is the metrics.yaml file for ? :)
[14:10] <bthomas> Thank you for your suggestions in standup. That was a very useful discussion. Here is a start on the google docs (I will keep adding more questions iteratively as discussed) https://docs.google.com/document/d/14EKsjHtzXnOvY6vaI47VwFzl6MEQ6OxaSBHsN7bcG9Q/edit
[14:10] <jam> crodriguez, hm. I don't see a metrics.yaml in your code, so I could be off base.
[14:10] <jam> Chipaca, ^^ it looks like JUJU_VERSION isn't set in the metrics hooks, one more reason they should be normalized.
[14:11] <crodriguez> narindergupta, jam, there is a way to add more debug logs (so you could see what failed during the install hook). I don't recall the command though, maybe jam remembers it ?
[14:11] <jam> crodriguez, narindergupta : juju model-config logging-config="<root>=DEBUG" would certainly do it.
[14:11] <jam> that will give a lot more logging information generally
[14:11] <jam> bthomas, don't forget to ping here as well, in case we miss stuff getting added to the doc.
[14:12] <bthomas> jam: will do
[14:12] <jam> bthomas, also, you'll want to share the document with at least Comment rights
[14:12] <narindergupta> jam, ok
[14:12] <jam> bthomas, I'm only able to read that doc right now
[14:12] <jam> (my standard is Everyone At Canonical can Comment)
[14:12] <bthomas> jam: ofcourse. Let me fix that
[14:12] <narindergupta> jam, in Kafka charm there was no install hook as it does not make sense for k8s charm
[14:14] <bthomas> jam: anyone should be able to edit now. Let me know if that does not work
[14:14] <jam> narindergupta, in Juju 2.7 it wasn't calling install, in 2.8 it always calls install. You don't have to implement it, but it is there to make things more regular
[14:15] <narindergupta> jam, gotchu you
[14:15] <narindergupta> jam, thanks
[14:22] <mup> Issue operator#372 opened: JUJU_VERSION not set during metrics hooks <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/372>
[14:23] <jam> facubatista, I've pushed an update to charmcraft#99
[14:23] <mup> PR charmcraft#99: charmcraft/jujuignore.py: Allow extending the list of patterns <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/99>
[14:31] <facubatista> jam, is there any particular reason for the relative import from parent? and not using absolute as we do with the rest for that?
[14:33] <crodriguez> jam re:metrics. Thanks for opening the bugs! It's not a blocker at least. My charm was stopped because of something else (my own charm code ofc), but it made me found this issue
[14:40] <narindergupta> Chipaca, I am getting this error k8s = ops.lib.use("k8s", 0<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:40] <narindergupta> NameError: name 'ops' is not defined
[14:40] <Chipaca> narindergupta: you need to import ops.lib
[14:40] <narindergupta> Chipaca, ok
[14:53] <Chipaca> jam: metric hooks don't work with controller state, right?
[14:56] <narindergupta> Chipaca, I am getting this error now ImportError: cannot find library "k8s" from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:57] <Chipaca> narindergupta: did you add the requirements.txt line?
[14:57] <narindergupta> Yes I have those two entries
[14:57] <narindergupta> ops
[14:57] <narindergupta> git+https://github.com/chipaca/ops-lib-k8s.git
[14:58] <Chipaca> narindergupta: and where do you get that error?
[14:58] <narindergupta> Chipaca, while executing k8s = ops.lib.use("k8s", 0<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:59] <narindergupta> In the charm class code
[14:59] <Chipaca> narindergupta: in a charm built with charmcraft?
[14:59] <narindergupta> Yes it was build with charmcode
[14:59] <narindergupta> charmcraft
[14:59] <Chipaca> narindergupta: can i see the debug logs that lead up to that error please?
[14:59] <narindergupta> And I can see k8s under venv
[15:01] <narindergupta> Chipaca, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kzJrVyBzTR/
[15:02] <narindergupta> Here is the http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/28hR8mTTmD src/charm.py
[15:02] <Chipaca> why are there no debug logs from the framework there?
[15:05] <Chipaca> narindergupta: can you look in venv/k8s to see if there's an 'opslib' directory there?
[15:06] <narindergupta> Chipaca, I am not seeing any directly there named opslib
[15:07] <narindergupta> Chipaca, build/venv contains  k8s  ops  ops-0.8.0.dist-info  ops_lib_k8s-0.0.dev0+unknown.dist-info  PyYAML-5.3.1.dist-info  test  yaml
[15:07] <Chipaca> very strange
[15:07] <narindergupta> And in ops/lib/ there is no k8s...
[15:08] <narindergupta> Yeah
[15:08] <Chipaca> give me a bit
[15:08] <narindergupta> Sure no problem let me know in case need any info
[15:08] <Chipaca> oh i know
[15:08]  * Chipaca fixes
[15:08] <narindergupta> :)
[15:10] <Chipaca> narindergupta: try now
[15:11] <narindergupta> Do I need to build again?
[15:12] <narindergupta> Yes I can see opslib now
[15:12] <narindergupta> Let me kill my controller and retry
[15:13] <Chipaca> poor controller
[15:13] <narindergupta> Chipaca, I know in microk8s that's the challenge
[15:16] <jam> Chipaca, metrics hooks don't work with controller state. We have checks for 'collect-metrics' but didn't implement the same check for meter-status-changed, so that might be a different bug/fix we should do.
[15:16] <jam> Chipaca, an update for 'is_restricted_context'
[15:16] <Chipaca> right
[17:44] <Chipaca> facubatista: i'm having an issue with my tests and logassert, where the tests pass on their own but fail when run in the whole suite
[17:44] <Chipaca> facubatista: anything in particular i should look out for?
[17:47] <Chipaca> facubatista: https://github.com/canonical/operator/compare/master...chipaca:more-heuristics-for-storage
[17:47] <Chipaca> ideas welcome
[17:47] <Chipaca> it might be something silly, looking at it for too long
[17:47] <Chipaca> i'm going to take a break, get dinner, etc
[17:47] <Chipaca> ttfn
[17:48] <facubatista> Chipaca, will check
[17:49] <facubatista> Chipaca, which logassert version do you have?
[17:53] <Chipaca> facubatista: 5
[17:55] <facubatista> let's see if I introduced a bug there :)
[17:57] <Chipaca> unpossible
[18:12] <facubatista> Chipaca, which is the specific test?
[18:13] <Chipaca> facubatista: all of TestStorageHeuristics
[18:18] <facubatista> Chipaca, I have a lot of other failures, I suspect because I'm getting messages of "yaml does not have libyaml extensions, using slower pure Python yaml", and tests don't expect that
[18:18] <facubatista>     self.assertRegex(calls.pop(0), 'Using local storage: not a kubernetes charm')
[18:18] <facubatista> AssertionError: Regex didn't match: 'Using local storage: not a kubernetes charm' not found in 'juju-log --log-level DEBUG yaml does not have libyaml extensions, using slower pure Python yaml loader'
[18:19] <Chipaca> facubatista: that means you haven't run the tests in quite a while :-)
[18:19] <Chipaca> and it also means we probably should fix that
[18:20] <facubatista> Chipaca, yes and yes
[18:20] <Chipaca> facubatista: 'apt build-dep python3-yaml' should get you the bits you need
[18:28] <Chipaca> facubatista: in any case commenting out that log line should get you places
[18:29] <facubatista> Chipaca, shall I rebuild the VM?
[18:29] <facubatista> s/VM/venv/
[18:30] <Chipaca> facubatista: i don't know what you're doing :)
[18:30] <facubatista> Chipaca, I just apt build-dep as you suggested, error still happening
[18:41] <facubatista> Chipaca, so, the difference I'm finding so far between running them all or running just a bunch is NOT logassert related
[18:42] <facubatista> Chipaca, when running just test.test_main.TestStorageHeuristics, all is fine
[18:43] <facubatista> Chipaca, but when running test.test_main, the test I'm supervising (test_fallback_to_current_juju_version__too_old) fails because
[18:43] <facubatista> FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'juju-log'
[18:43] <Chipaca> facubatista: huh
[18:44] <Chipaca> facubatista: so probably it's our log setup code
[18:44] <Chipaca> that's not getting reset
[18:44] <Chipaca> facubatista: nice pointer. i'll follow it after dinner :)
[18:44] <facubatista> Chipaca, the logger has all these handlers: [<JujuLogHandler (DEBUG)>, <JujuLogHandler (DEBUG)>, <JujuLogHandler (DEBUG)>, <JujuLogHandler (DEBUG)>, <JujuLogHandler (DEBUG)>, <JujuLogHandler (DEBUG)>]
[18:45] <facubatista> Chipaca, ack, let me know if you need something else
[19:46] <Chipaca> facubatista: where do you see those handlers?
[19:47] <facubatista> Chipaca, I printed the handlers when logassert is hook
[19:47] <facubatista> added this in l.38 of env/lib/python3.8/site-packages/logassert/logassert.py :
[19:47] <facubatista>         print("[19:55] <Chipaca> facubatista: i get those errors if i remove the reset_logging from test_log
[19:55] <Chipaca> anyway, i give up
[19:55] <Chipaca> EOD for me
[19:56] <Chipaca> tomorrow shall bring new joys
[22:55]  * facubatista eods


[00:25] <typhoon_2099> !list
[01:11] <erythrean> I'm trying to install kubuntu onto my mac 10.4. I tried both the 32-bit and the mac iso's but the computer won't boot into either when I hold down C at startup.
[01:23] <kadoban> is there some way i can make it so no internet will work at all unless i'm connected through my vpn?
[01:43] <Kris_away> kadoban: Well, you could firewall yourself both ways and connect the vpn to a virtual network adapter which your programs would use to talk to the internet through the vpn.... however i've forgottenhow to do this lol
[01:51] <kadoban> Kris_away: haha, hmm. well, maybe i'll google more and see
[02:00] <Kris_away> Anyone know of a kde-ish theme for firefox?
[02:16] <valorie> Kris_away: yes, there is something
[02:18] <valorie> did you try the kubuntu-firefox-installer to install it?
[02:18] <valorie> that's the only likely thing showing up in apt-cache search firefox*
[02:20] <Kris_away> kubuntu firefox installer didn't work, so i just apt-getted it
[02:20] <valorie> kde-config-gtk might help as well
[02:20] <valorie> although that is all gtk apps
[02:21] <Kris_away> that'll be useful for quite a few things
[02:22] <qqqqqqqq_> what is the best linux distro ? ?
[02:23] <Kris_away> whatever "just werks"
[02:26] <valorie> kubuntu, of course!
[02:26] <valorie> no matter what I've tried, I always return to kub satisfied
[02:29] <qqqqqqqq_> what about linux pinguy os
[02:32] <valorie> have not tried that
[02:33] <valorie> to me, kub is the whole package, including wonderful community
[02:35] <qqqqqqqq_> what is kub exactly?
[02:37] <valorie> oops
[02:37] <valorie> kub=short for Kubuntu
[03:18] <Kris_away> Damnit, KDE is too customizable, I'm still playing with it... and knetwalk
[03:33] <westyvw> updated flashplugin to day, apt-get upgrade. firefox now freezing anytime flash is called upon. anyone else?
[03:36] <westyvw> reinstall AGAIN, and .... fixed. go figure
[03:42] <Kris_away_> Which fglrx drivers work best with 77xx/78xx cards? fglrx or fglrx-updates
[05:56] <uglyducky> How do I configure when KDE alerts me when my disk space is low?
[05:57] <uglyducky> Forum link related to my problem: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=100802
[05:57] <uglyducky> however, kreadconfig's output is blank, and has no manpage
[06:04] <Kris_away_> I just have a widget that shows system stuff... when i disk is full it goes red
[07:47] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:43] <Kris_away_> When I'm using Windows I find the window snapping annoying... it doesn't work on multi-monitor edges and there's no 1/4 snaps...
[09:55] <murthy> hello everyone
[12:00] <momoe> ah
[12:00] <momoe> did when freenote use nickserv and chanserv in a manner of fagservce at your serfffffffffff
[12:01] <bazhang> momoe, thats not appropriate please stop
[12:01] <momoe> oh, is this an offical channel or something?
[12:01] <bazhang> yes
[12:04] <momoe> oh well, fact is i installed kubuntu 12 10 and patched the kernel with grse 3.2.40 and lost my nvidia driver stability along the way and now my nvidia drivers aren't working in full effect mode
[12:06] <momoe> kubuntu keeps telling me that i;\'ve got 21 effectes arent running... could not be.. but that was the case while i'm using OPENGL but xrander  was good enough to deal with 18 effects, and still are unable to load, any idea what'sd the beef between nvidia g9 and kubuntu?
[13:03] <jman074> hey hey hey
[13:04] <lordievader> Hey jman074, how are you today?
[13:04] <jman074> good and you
[13:05] <lordievader> jman074: Doing good, having a project failing, but further more I'm doing good :)
[13:05] <jman074> quick question how do you force close a program in the terminal
[13:05] <lordievader> jman074: ctrl+c? Or do you need something stronger?
[13:05] <jman074> i know how you feel this java stuff is trying to get the best of me.. one sec let me c
[13:05] <lordievader> jman074: hehe :P
[13:06] <jman074> looks like i need something stronger
[13:09] <lordievader> jman074: Well don't use "kill -9 -1", actual representation: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/39647530743/kill-9-1
[13:09] <lordievader> jman074: Do you know the process id?
[13:09] <jman074> my web browser is whats froze up bad
[13:09] <jman074> one sec
[13:11] <jman074> yep got the id
[13:11] <jman074> haha typed in top
[13:12] <lordievader> jman074: Ok, does "kill <PID>" work, replace <PID> with the process id.
[13:13] <jman074> so would it be kill-9<id>
[13:13] <jman074> roger
[13:13] <jman074> one sec
[13:13] <lordievader> jman074: No
[13:13] <lordievader> jman074: Not -9, that is what you use when all else fails... just "kill <PID>".
[13:13] <jman074> hahahaha
[13:14] <jman074> we got it
[13:15] <jman074> so wanna here my new story
[13:15] <jman074> lol
[13:16] <jman074> brb
[13:35] <alsitnetpc> Hallo our.....
[13:36] <alsitnetpc> connectioned use..
[13:36] <alsitnetpc> okay, here you...
[13:36] <alsitnetpc> out end....
[13:40] <jman074> whats up guess whos back.
[13:42] <jman074> lordievader when you get a chance let me know what you think about this http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/install-oracle-java-jdk-7-in-ubuntu-via.html
[13:45] <lordievader> jman074: Looks simple enough..
[13:47] <jman074> well let me put it like this it is the only java system that runs my applet in my school work so far
[13:50] <lordievader> jman074: Ok, so you're done, right?
[13:51] <jman074> i don't know its loading the applets but when i try to take the test its taking forever to load. im not sure if its the server or the java :(
[13:52] <lordievader> jman074: Does it work in Windows?
[13:53] <jman074> um i dont have anyway to know that i don't have a windows os
[13:54] <lordievader> jman074: Hmm, I keep Windows on my laptop for a few reasons, one is the compatibility with software that is needed for my school-work.
[13:57] <jman074> :(
[14:01] <jman074> how would i go about putting windows on this computer and could i use an external harddive to do it like a boot disk
[14:02] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:04] <lordievader> jman074: Windows is quite a hassle to install after you've installed Linux. Perhaps it is indeed a better idea to try and fix java in linux.
[14:05] <lordievader> jman074: Can you run a java application to see if java works?
[14:05] <jman074> java is working
[14:05] <jman074> so it seems.
[14:05] <lordievader> jman074: And java in the browser also works?
[14:06] <jman074> like i said now i don't know if the problems i am having now are java related or server related
[14:07] <jman074> see im takin a test right now and its stuck on question three  and won't go to the next question
[14:09] <jman074> when i load the class the java console pops up
[14:11] <roasted> hello friends!
[14:12] <jman074> well hello there
[14:16] <Soru> Hello
[14:16] <Soru> There's a way to not disconnect the wifi in a laptop whe closing it?
[14:16] <lordievader> Hey Soru, how are you?
[14:16] <Soru> Oh
[14:16] <Soru> Greetings! :D
[14:21] <roasted> oh hello hey hi :D
[14:29] <Soru> So...
[14:29] <Soru> There's a way to not disconnect the wifi in a laptop whe closing it?
[14:31] <apachelogger> Soru: make it not go to sleep on lid-close
[14:31] <apachelogger> other than that, no. when the system goes to sleep there is no way of retaining any connection of any sort
[14:34] <Soru> apachelogger: Ok, I'm going to search where's the option
[14:34] <Soru> Thank you, apachelogger
[14:34] <apachelogger> hint: systemsettings power management
[14:42] <Soru> Hahaha
[14:42] <Soru> Thank you apachelogger xD
[15:30] <roasted> Hello!
[15:31] <Soru> Hello roasted :D
[15:31] <roasted> I'm seeing that Homerun 0.2.1 was added to the Kubuntu Backports PPA, which I have on my Kubuntu 12.10 install. Thing is, Homerun won't upgrade from 0.1.1. Is there anything else I can check? I'm a little unsure of why it's not flagged as upgradeable.
[15:33] <murthy> brb going to restart
[15:49] <away> hello, I hav
[15:49] <away> have a problem: the default browser keeps reverting to rekonq
[15:49] <away> I've set it to firefox three times by now
[15:50] <Okitain> away, is systemsettings saying so?
[15:51] <BluesKaj> in system settings>default applications> default browser , away ?
[15:51] <away> Okitain, yes. the weird thing is, I checked the default browser an hour ago and it was still fine
[15:51] <away> yes BluesKaj, I change it from there but for some reason it reverts back
[15:53] <Okitain> Can you work around it by saying "start links in appropriate mimetype" and switching that, in turn, to firefox?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> away, try this in the terminal , sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser , then choose the one want to be default
[16:02] <BluesKaj> away, it's expalined here , http://www.kabatology.com/09/16/how-to-set-the-default-browser-on-ubuntu-from-the-command-line/
[16:03] <away> seems to be set to firefox now
[16:03] <away> we'll see if it sticks
[16:08] <thp_> good night
[16:18] <lordievader> Be back later, going to get some food.
[16:31] <lordievader> Back.
[16:32]  * genii-around peeks at lordievader dinner plate
[18:10] <jman074> lordievader
[18:11] <lordievader> Good evening, jman074
[18:11] <jman074> good evening how are things
[18:12] <lordievader> jman074: Doing good, how about you?
[18:12] <jman074> for once i am a satisfied ubuntu operator
[18:15] <lordievader> jman074: Ow right you are running Ubuntu.. *Sigh* Live could be better you know...
[18:15] <jman074> lol one step at a time
[18:16] <jman074> i watched that video on youtube you sent me
[18:16] <jman074> i was still in love with my brand os then
[18:16] <jman074> like you i am intrigued at things i don't understand so till i get bored kubuntu will have to wait a couple months. lol
[18:24] <jman074> dangit its always something lol
[18:25] <jman074> i got a messaging and voip accounts screen froze on my desktop and ctrl c don't work and i cant find it in top
[18:25] <lordievader> jman074: Is it a gui thing?
[18:26] <jman074> whats gui
[18:27] <lordievader> jman074: Graphical User Interface. I.e. not CLI (Command Line Interface)
[18:28] <jman074> might be. i clicked on the envelope "messaging" on the tool bar, clicked chat and it wasn't what i wanted so clicked x and its stuck on the screen lol
[18:28] <jman074> got it
[18:28] <jman074> can't beat me lol
[18:30] <genii-around> ctrl-alt-esc  , then put skull on offending window and click. Or hit esc again to cancel the kill window cursor
[18:30] <jman074> thank you
[18:31] <jman074> that command doesn't work on ubuntu does it. lol
[18:31] <genii-around> It should, it's an old X keystroke
[18:31] <lordievader> jman074: Simply restart lightdm :P Allways works. <-- not the best solution.
[18:32] <jman074> what time is it there
[18:37] <BluesKaj> jman074, where?
[18:59] <mandoguit> half past the hair and quarter to the pimple here............
[19:15] <genii-around> It's coffee o'clock
[19:16] <lordievader> genii-around: For you it is allways coffee o'clock...
[19:18] <BronySXiYL> Hey, I don't know if this is a Minecraft problem, a Java problem, or a LInux problem, but...
[19:18] <wcw> snickers and tea here
[19:19]  * BluesKaj wonders if  BronySXiYL will stick around long enough to finish his question
[19:19] <BronySXiYL> I will...
[19:19] <BronySXiYL> Just a bit scared.
[19:19] <BluesKaj> or wait for an answer
[19:20] <BronySXiYL> ?
[19:20] <BluesKaj> if you do finally ask
[19:21] <BronySXiYL> Okay...
[19:21] <BronySXiYL> Well, it keeps crashing, so here's the log, the last parts convince me it's a Linux/Java problem.
[19:22] <BronySXiYL> I'm running Java 7.
[19:23] <BronySXiYL> Sorry, just need to start MC.
[19:23] <BronySXiYL> Then I'll send a Pastebin link.
[19:25] <BronySXiYL> Sorry it's taking a long time.
[19:28] <BluesKaj> BronySXiYL, I probly can'y help you anyway , not a gamer and dunno much about java :( ...maybe someone else can
[19:28] <BronySXiYL> Hm...
[19:28] <BronySXiYL> Is there anyone who is fluent in Java here?
[19:29] <BronySXiYL> Anyone?
[19:29] <BluesKaj> you could ask in the #java support chat ,if there is one
[19:29] <BronySXiYL> Ah.
[19:29] <BronySXiYL> What network is it on?
[19:30] <BronySXiYL> -_(\
[19:31] <BluesKaj> it's on this server , but I think you need an invite , you can ask in #freenode what the procedure is to get one
[19:31] <BronySXiYL> Ah.
[19:31] <BronySXiYL> WAit.
[19:51] <bazhang> !nickspam | IUAFSR
[19:55] <IUAFSR> Sure.
[19:55] <IUAFSR> Wait...
[19:55] <IUAFSR> ...
[19:55] <IUAFSR> WHich sergver is this?
[19:55] <bazhang> IUAFSR, freenode
[19:55] <IUAFSR> Ah.
[19:56] <IUAFSR> I was trying to find a nick that I like.
[19:59] <IUAFSR> ...
[20:00] <IUAFSR> -_(\
[20:00] <bazhang> IUAFSR, please stop that
[20:00] <IUAFSR> IRC... Y u suck so much?!
[20:00] <bazhang> IUAFSR, this is kubuntu support only, not chit chat
[20:02] <IUAFSR> CAn I facehoof one more time.
[20:02] <bazhang> !ot | IUAFSR
[20:03] <IUAFSR> Oh my god...
[20:03] <IUAFSR> The nick changes were for #freenode.
[20:03] <IUAFSR> So let's just end this now.
[20:14] <jman074> hey sorry im slow
[20:14] <jman074> who was having the java problem
[20:16] <yofel> IUAFSR if I traced the nick changes right
[20:18] <IUAFSR> Me.
[20:19] <jman074> what seems to be the problem again
[20:47] <silvercord> hi
[20:48] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[20:52] <silvercord> just a test :)
[21:00] <jacek_> Hello how to add irc channel hak5.org
[21:01] <jacek_> best greetings from poland
[21:01] <BluesKaj> jacek_, that looks like a server address , not a chat
[21:02] <BluesKaj> try #hak5
[21:03] <jacek_> YESSS. than You.. the misstyping # do the maginc.
[21:46] <matty77> hi people im new
[21:48] <lordievader> Hey matty77, how are you?
[21:49] <matty77> not to bad and your self is this a chat or just for help
[21:50] <lordievader> matty77: Doing good, yes this is a support channel, visit #kubuntu-offtopic for the more general chatter :)
[21:50] <matty77> thanks ill do that nice meeting you
[23:23] <reinhardrtraoul> check #111111 craciest binary secret channel ever!
[23:41] <Riddell> ta da http://www.kubuntu.org/news/13.04-beta-1
[23:49] <murthy> good night everyone
[23:57] <silvercord> hi my package manager is missing a ton of software?
[23:59] <calwig> what is a duplicate searching program?
[23:59] <calwig> duplicity?


[05:35] <vubuntor342> hello moi nguoiw
[05:36] <vubuntor342> chào mọi người
[05:36] <vubuntor342> cho mình hoi minh cài đặt mysql bi lỗi sau: sudo apt install mysql-server mysql-client Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done mysql-client is already the newest version (5.7.13-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>). mysql-server is already the newest version (5.7.13-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>). 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 2 not fully installed or removed. After
[05:37] <vubuntor342> eading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done mysql-client is already the newest version (5.7.13-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>). mysql-server is already the newest version (5.7.13-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>). 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 2 not fully installed or removed. After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y Set


[04:23] <elijah-mbp> merry christmas!
[16:10] <netritious> Happy Holidays locotn!
[16:11] <wrst> hey hey netritious !!!
[16:11] <wrst> how are things going?
[16:11] <netritious> pretty good wrst!
[16:12] <wrst> awesome, we are sorta snow bound here today
[16:12] <netritious> they promised that to west tn but no dice
[16:12] <netritious> it tried though
[16:13] <netritious> how is/was your Christmas going wrst?
[16:13] <wrst> going well, how about you netritious ?
[16:16] <netritious> pretty good...been a busy holiday season for me and the fam
[16:16] <wrst> well sometimes busy is good but it can be a distraction sometimes with all the busy we came in from fayetteville last night in the snow that was a fun drive
[16:17] <netritious> hehe I bet it was
[16:17] <wrst> yeah not so bad for the driving just the idiots who thought they could drive 60 on ice... and then seeing them in the ditch in a few miles
[16:20] <netritious> that sux... did you stop to see if they were ok?
[16:20] <wrst> cops had them under control :)
[16:20] <netritious> I'm not 100% certain that I would :P
[16:20] <netritious> well that's nice
[16:21] <wrst> netritious: i have been giving arch linux a pretty good try as i'm waiting for natty, and 10.10 has been a bit of a dog for me
[16:21] <netritious> ....98% certain, but not 100% certain
[16:21] <wrst> ha ha netritious :)
[16:22] <netritious> I installed UNR (lucid) on my friends asus eeepc...it's running well
[16:22] <netritious> it had Xandros but it looked like XP lol
[16:22] <wrst> yeah lucid has been great for me still have it going on a server
[16:23] <wrst> i hear xandros is awful
[16:23] <netritious> all the windows that opened up looked exactly like XP
[16:23] <wrst> but 10.10 has been giving me terrible fits running VM's, in arch they run like butter
[16:24] <wrst> netritious: i don't think having something looking like xp is good it makes people expect it to be just like xp
[16:24] <netritious> the default install of UNR+updates/upgrades+apt-get --purge --auto-remove clean is also slightly smaller footprint
[16:25] <netritious> wrst: that's a reasonable point
[16:25] <wrst> that's cool
[16:25] <netritious> there is a whole whopping 1GB of disk storage left on the 4GB SSD
[16:26] <netritious> oh and -evolution* empathy* cheese* and one or two other packages, +ubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:26] <wrst> 1GB is not what it used to be is it netritious ? :)
[16:27] <netritious> lol not at all wrst
[16:27] <wrst> i remember my first computer had a 500 somethign MB drive total
[16:27] <netritious> my first computer had 64k
[16:27] <wrst> woot :)
[16:28] <wrst> oh yeah i forgot about the commodore 64 that i had
[16:28] <netritious> 65536 bytes
[16:28] <wrst> :)
[16:28] <netritious> I cheated and broke out the calc...i didn't recall that off the top of my head :P
[16:29] <wrst> ha ha :)
[16:29]  * netritious is getting old!
[16:29] <wrst> well netritious gotta get ready to go to the parents for lunch hopefully i will catch you later
[16:29] <wrst> ha ha nah netritious
[16:29] <netritious> cya wrst!
[16:29] <wrst> later netritious
[16:29] <netritious> have a good one!
[16:29] <wrst> you too netritious
[17:04] <cyberanger> how's everyone today
[17:05] <netritious> doing well cyberanger, and you?
[17:05] <cyberanger> pretty good
[17:05] <netritious> fixing to go make chocolate covered peanut butter balls
[17:06] <cyberanger> sounds good
[17:09] <netritious> found a neat tool cyberanger
[17:09] <netritious> http://tinyurl.com/yz6xmxt
[17:11] <netritious> for you a better link might be http://tinyurl.com/3ykov8m
[17:12] <cyberanger> I'm looking for at least a 1tb drive should be useful for a local mirror
[17:13] <cyberanger> cool, reminds me of billix
[17:16] <netritious> $56.99 free shipping+no tax 1TB hdd new http://tinyurl.com/2abcujv
[17:16] <netritious> that is the cheapest price I can find on new
[17:19] <cyberanger> roughly the same here
[17:21] <netritious> I found one with a six month warranty from a company I've never heard of.."white label 1tb" for 44.89 + free shipping http://tinyurl.com/ydoyfkk
[17:22] <cyberanger> found one that includes a enclosure
[17:22] <netritious> link?
[17:23] <cyberanger> doesn't beat your price though
[17:23]  * cyberanger tries to remember howto cnp on android
[17:24] <netritious> according to the company, white label = http://tinyurl.com/2d46m53
[17:25] <netritious> bbl...going to make candy :D
[17:29] <cyberanger> http://www.google.com/m/products/detail?gl=us&client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us&q=1tb+hard+drive+deals&hl=en&source=search&channel=products&cid=9930583022644977361&ptab=c&ei=QnsXTcjkKqWYlQeWmNGPAQ&ved=0CBsQ8wIwAw
[17:30] <cyberanger> http://www.techdealdigger.com/search/1tb-hard-drive-deals-sales
[17:31] <cyberanger> seems I didn't keep that enclosure one though
[17:32] <cyberanger> honestly, that wasn't the beat deal, since minus the enclosure it was 65
[17:42] <cyberanger> http://www.intomobile.com/2010/12/25/man-robbery-restaurant-iphone/
[18:36] <wrst> hello cyberanger
[18:49] <cyberanger> hey wrst
[18:49] <cyberanger> hos's things
[18:55] <wrst> pretty good cyberanger about to put dd-wrt on my parents router they are having some issues
[18:56] <wrst> or tomato possibly
[18:59] <wrst> ahh tomato won't work with this router
[18:59] <wrst> but dd-wrt will
[19:00] <cyberanger> what router?
[19:02] <wrst> linksys wrt54g version 5
[19:04] <cyberanger> ouch, one too new
[19:04] <cyberanger> wxworks
[19:04] <wrst> yeah that's what i'm finding and looks like i might brick it if i try dd-wrt
[19:06] <cyberanger> might
[19:07] <wrst> yeah i don't have a spare router or i would risk it :0
[19:07] <wrst> *:)
[19:09] <wrst> cyberanger: i'm going to upgrade the factory firmware and see what that does
[20:18] <cyberanger> wrst: well, just don't brick it
[20:51] <wrst> that fixed my issue cyberanger
[20:51] <cyberanger> cool
[20:52] <wrst> linux firmware will have to wait I suppose
[20:52] <cyberanger> well, I'm not really sure it's linux anyhow
[20:53] <cyberanger> how much of the components it's replacing wxworks with linux tools
[20:58] <wrst> yeah its working now so im happy :)
[21:00] <cyberanger> I'm not
[21:00]  * cyberanger hears voices saying linux or a brick, that's the only choice
[21:01] <wrst> ha ha :)
[21:17]  * cyberanger also hears voices saying to jump out of a perfectly good airplane, luckily I'm not too insane, they kindly suggest I check my chute first ;-)
[21:18] <wrst> :)
[21:18] <wrst> well i'm looking to ditch windows completely at home trying out gnucash
[21:19]  * cyberanger hands wrst a paper ledger, suggests a csv file, knows it is doable
[21:19] <wrst> bah madness!
[21:21] <wrst> importing importing importing
[21:23] <wrst> will have to continue with that later
[21:35] <cyberanger> hehe


[00:22] <teward> wxl: Simons' mail should work shortly again per sysadmins.  (cc tsimonq2)
[03:28] <wxl> what a doofberry. thanks for fixing it teward
[03:29] <teward> wxl: thank dan.
[03:29] <teward> they readded Simon to the members list
[03:29] <teward> and pjdc was kind enough to resync the membership list file on their end to regen the alias
[03:29] <teward> (after 2 hours I pined)
[03:29] <teward> pinged*
[03:30] <teward> this said, I asked pjdc to peek because mostly I remember I moved my hosted mail platform and all my stuff over to a /28 instead of a /29 so I had assumed part of it was my fault
[03:30] <teward> but pjdc was able to figure the core cause :)
[03:30] <teward> (also I'm not on LUbuntu COuncil so technically I shouldn't have access to whether this was dropped, etc. but I think it's just known that Lubuntu asks me to debug their email issues xD)
[03:31] <teward> (and I think pjdc was doing a courtesy)
[04:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T150: Erase Disk fails with existing partition scheme] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T150#3231
[05:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALdbe2bcc0091c: Add page down to move packages in Muon] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALdbe2bcc0091c
[05:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa0ee6e732381: Add page up to move up packages] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa0ee6e732381
[05:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALfbf99c63c6f7: Add move to last package] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALfbf99c63c6f7
[06:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL0d31186214fc: Add Home key to return to first] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL0d31186214fc
[06:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL9d9232007745: /s/button/key/] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL9d9232007745
[06:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL58b9d986994d: Fix typo] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL58b9d986994d
[06:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALdbf0c66f3313: Fix capitlization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALdbf0c66f3313
[07:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL3aefa9fca4ef: Update nm-tray version] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL3aefa9fca4ef
[07:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1ef0a034e929: Update partitionmanger version] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1ef0a034e929
[07:27] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf350c410e752: Add advanced tab summary] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf350c410e752
[07:37] <guiverc> wxl, FYI: doing a `sudo ln -s /usr/bin/udevadm /sbin/udevadm` before running calamares does seem to solve 1851188 for my fussy d755 box  (filling fs now.. and NO sfdisk /dev/sda errs)
[07:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL58e993d3d07d: Add Default units] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL58e993d3d07d
[07:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb1f716c47335: Add warning for what creating new partition table does] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb1f716c47335
[08:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALac17ea212e7b: Add Enter key to select menu items] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALac17ea212e7b
 Question, should I try to put the breeze config script in focal?
[18:06] <wxl> hm
 If yes, I think it's easier to include it in the lubuntu-artowrk package
[18:06] <wxl> i think it's a good idea but we'll need to document it somewhere
 opposed to create a new package
[18:07] <wxl> yeah makes sense
 document somewhere you mean besides the manual?
[18:08] <wxl> no, that's what i mean
[18:08] <wxl> but it needs to get in there :)
 I have no problem with writing that
[18:09] <wxl> go for it
 ok
[18:09] <wxl> thanks Hans
 where should I put the script? I don't think /bin is the palce for it
[18:10] <wxl> i don't think any of us are really great with dealing with look and feel
[18:11] <wxl> look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
[18:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb830e14dee8c: Fix spelling error] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb830e14dee8c
[18:11] <wxl> i'd say probably /usr/bin, /usr/local/bin
[18:15] <wxl> svinoba[m]: just saying hi :)
 wxl: ok, usr/bin sound ok. will used the lubuntuartwork repo, should I create a new package or use lubuntu-artwork? looking at https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-artwork/browse/ubuntu%252Ffocal/debian/control
[18:17] <wxl> i think new
 ok
[18:17] <wxl> make a manpage for it if you're really cool :)
 @wxl [<wxl> i don't think any of us are really great with dealing with look and feel], I am XD
[18:19] <wxl> um
[18:20] <wxl> talk about an abi break
 😮
 @wxl [<wxl> make a manpage for it if you're really cool :)], will do
[18:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALe19f99ed82b7: Move icon description to right section] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALe19f99ed82b7
 Woah: https://secure.phabricator.com/T13488
 @kc2bez, wxl: ^
[19:37] <wxl> no changes really affecting us tho
[19:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T30: Theme GRUB] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30#3232
[19:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T153: Configure Harbormaster with Phabricator] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T153
 wxl: I still don't get the qtermwidget, but we need to fix it, how?
 should we grab debian directly?
[20:12] <wxl> basically qtermwidget-data or whatever it is needs to have a Breaks/Replaces against qtermwidtget-l10n
[20:16] <wxl> if i'm remembering it right
[20:17] <wxl> yep
[20:17] <wxl> someone mentions it on the bug actually
[20:17] <wxl> in other news, i'm curious what this actually is https://github.com/calamares/calamares/commit/a865620f902988f890781fb4576cf151c779133f
[20:21] <RikMills> wxl: yes, it does need breaks/replaces
 @RikMills [<RikMills> wxl: yes, it does need breaks/replaces], and remove qtermwidget-l10n ???
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/qtermwidget/browse/ubuntu%252Ffocal/debian/control$54
[20:26] <wxl> it's already removed from the archive so yes
[20:27] <wxl> unfortunately phab is not synced to the archive
 shouldn't we sync to the arcive first?
[20:27] <RikMills> breaks/replaces would force it to be removed, before the conflicting packages had its files installed
[20:28] <RikMills> yes, sync to the archive version, then apply the fix
[20:29] <RikMills> should be versioned breaks/replaces, otherwise lintian will nag about policy
[20:30] <wxl> ugh
[20:31] <wxl> @tsimonq2: how are we supposed to *easily* pull changes from the archive to phab?
[20:33] <RikMills> ka-sync-archive or use meld on the clean debian folder are 2 manual options
[20:34] <wxl> i was hoping there was some solution within phabricator itself
[20:34] <wxl> @kc2bez: you want to do <IP_ADDRESS>?
[20:36] <wxl> sigh
[20:37] <wxl> i think we're gong to have to start using ka-sync-archive
[20:39] <RikMills> should be simple to write a non ka script to do the same
 @wxl [<wxl> @kc2bez: you want to do <IP_ADDRESS>?], I can do that.
[20:40] <wxl> @kc2bez: get going and i'll test it.
 Unless of course you really wanted to XD
[20:41] <wxl> i want to but i don't and besides i wouldn't want to take your fun away :)
 :D
[20:41] <wxl> @HMollerCl https://git.launchpad.net/ka/tree/check-and-fix/ka-sync-archive is what @RikMills and i are discussing. if you wanted to make a simple version of that for us, that would be fabulous.
[20:42] <RikMills> why does debian keep the whole upstream source for lx*stuff in salsa git? that is a really dick thing to do.
[20:42] <wxl> and/or send pull requests to add in some switches to make it useful for us :)
[20:42] <wxl> @RikMills it's weird, i admit. i'm not sure it's necessarily *bad* but weird.
 @RikMills [<RikMills> why does debian keep the whole upstream source for lx*stuff in salsa …], I don't know but it is bit weird.
[20:43] <wxl> i can only imagine "laziness" is the appropriate explanation
[20:43] <wxl> also given that "debian" in this case is synonymous with "alf" the fact that logic is thrown out the window is not surprising
[20:44] <RikMills> that was mostly rhetorical, expressing annoyance :P
[20:45] <RikMills> script needs to:
[20:45] <RikMills> - download the lp source package, and extract the debian folder
[20:46] <RikMills> - rsync that and the debian fold in your git folder
[20:46] <RikMills> with appropriate options on make sure additions & deletions are handled
[20:46] <RikMills> *to make sure
[20:47] <RikMills> which is all ka-sync-achive does really
 with "that and the debian folder" you mean src and debian folder?
[20:48] <RikMills> easier to automate downloading the lot. what you actually want is just the debian folder
 ok, thanks
 wxl: the most problematic parts is to deal with auth in the script
[20:52] <RikMills> does pull-lp-source not work?
 @RikMills [<RikMills> does pull-lp-source not work?], thaty should work, to write in phab is my concern
[20:53] <wxl> if we must, it will need to be presented as an arc diff
 unless, I run it locally
 with my credentials
 @wxl [<wxl> if we must, it will need to be presented as an arc diff], couldn't it be done by a normal git?
 (I can't do it, but devels can)
[20:56] <wxl> yes
[20:56] <kc2bez> arc diff should work too though.
[20:56] <wxl> but i'm saying as far as how it could be applicable to anyone, dev or not
 ok
[20:59] <kc2bez> I have to go AFK for a bit but I will get Cala uploaded tonight.
[21:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALAPACKAGINGafd20277e930: New upstream release.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALAPACKAGINGafd20277e930
[21:40] <wxl> sorry @kc2bez too impatient
[21:41] <wxl> aww hell i should have linked the bugs
[21:41] <wxl> whatever XD
 I just got a big project I need to finish by march 2nd. I will be out for this week :(.
 I'm in the process of searching for new job and I got a test for one which I have to respond by march 2nd.
[22:05] <kc2bez> No worries wxl I understand.


[03:27] <nlsthzn> Night shift coming to an end... cheers for now :)
[07:08] <Uxthui> Omar's confirmed his presence at the next meetup. I ain't touching the meetup details this time around.
[08:09] <nlsthzn> Uxthui: And if nobody else does?


[00:10] <MrChrisDruif> Lubuntu
[00:11] <MrChrisDruif> [styx]; You could try Lubuntu, it's based Ubuntu with LXDE as DE
[00:12] <[styx]> i wansnt looking for it
[00:12] <[styx]> grover78 was
[00:13] <MrChrisDruif> Ow....alright....but you could also try it ;)
[00:13] <MrChrisDruif> xD
[00:14] <[styx]> lol
[00:14] <[styx]> maybe
[00:14] <[styx]> im happy with 11.04
[00:28] <grover78> can anyone give me some info plz? looking for a nice light OS to run. Ubuntu is OK, but is there something lighter?
[00:30] <grover78> I'm gonna try mint 10. Or puppy... pro's and cons of these??
[00:30] <MrChrisDruif> grover78; Lubuntu
[00:31] <MrChrisDruif> Puppy is just weird, mainly designed to run as live-system
[00:32] <MrChrisDruif> Lubuntu (Or Mint 10 LXDE/Peppermint??) is Ubuntu but then with LXDE as DE
[00:32] <MrChrisDruif> !DE
[00:32] <ubot2> In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis.
[00:32] <MrChrisDruif> Meh...
[00:32] <MrChrisDruif> Not what I wanted
[00:32] <grover78> what's lubuntu like compared to ubuntu? I'm still getting used to linux stuff. I'm used to WinXP
[00:33] <MrChrisDruif> grover78; I don't really understand what you mean? Really late over here...
[00:33] <grover78> what's the diff between lubuntu and ubuntu?
[00:33] <grover78> I just want a nice light OS, user friendly of course...
[00:34] <MrChrisDruif> The biggest difference between is the Desktop Environment chosen. Lubuntu uses LXDE (Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment) where Ubuntu uses Gnome.
[00:35] <MrChrisDruif> But they use the same repositories, so you can install everything you can install from Ubuntu on Lubuntu
[00:35] <MrChrisDruif> Basic install is very minimal with Lubuntu, so the "full-desktop" you get with Ubuntu you don't get. But you get a good base to start with :)
[00:36] <genshooter> grover: im using xubuntu (10.04) on my (dell) pentium4 2.5ghz 512ram old school comp... it seems nicer to my limited resources than ubuntu 10.04 was
[00:36] <grover78> ok... well I've got mint (Julia) and lubuntu 11.04 on the download....
[00:36] <MrChrisDruif> genshooter; Xfce is medium-weight nowadays
[00:36] <genshooter> i believe it
[00:36] <grover78> genshooter, thanks for the info, I've got a p4 2 ghz with 756RAM...
[00:37] <MrChrisDruif> grover78; If you got any questions concerning Lubuntu, please join #lubuntu for direct support or read about it on wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[00:37] <genshooter> has alot of stuff ive turned off like the second workspace, im actually right now trying to find out the best way to edit what programs/scripts/commands are run on startup
[00:37] <genshooter> the linux equivolent of msconfig
[00:37] <grover78> right....
[00:38] <grover78> at this point I think I'll try lubuntu first, see if that's smoother then ubuntu
[00:38] <grover78> if that's no go then I'll try mint
[00:38] <MrChrisDruif> genshooter; wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu ?
[00:38] <seidos> stallman.org
[00:38] <MrChrisDruif> Or help.ubuntu.com/community/Xubuntu perhaps?
[00:39] <MrChrisDruif> grover78; It'll run smoother, you can count on it :)
[00:39] <grover78> sounds good
[00:40] <grover78> so here's a question... how do I download proriatry drivers for my mobo?
[00:40] <grover78> I tried going to the website for support but it doesn't recognize firefox
[00:41] <MrChrisDruif> Graphics driverS?
[00:41] <grover78> yeah, mobo has built in graphics/vid card
[00:41] <grover78> just hoping to squeeze a bit more performance out of this box
[00:43] <grover78> nvm I think I might have found a work-around
[00:43] <grover78> ...or not. File is dos/win only
[00:47] <grover78> ok so how would I run a win/dos .exe file in linux?
[00:49] <[styx]> wine
[00:49] <[styx]> grover78
[00:50] <grover78> yeah?
[00:50] <MrChrisDruif> [styx]; Yes, but that wouldn't really help him if he tried to install a driver....for Windows
[00:51] <MrChrisDruif> grover78; Just try it...
[00:51] <grover78> well the file are supposed to be installed to the BIOS... drivers and such
[00:51] <MrChrisDruif> Lubuntu without proprietary drivers I mean
[00:51] <grover78> lol oh
[00:51] <[styx]> oh
[00:51] <MrChrisDruif> Drivers to BIOS....
[00:51] <grover78> well, still waiting on the DL
[00:51] <[styx]> i thought he was just trying to run a program
[00:52] <grover78> well tell you what. I'll just hang tight while lubuntu DL's
[00:52] <grover78> can lubuntu run live?
[00:53] <MrChrisDruif> grover78; Yup
[00:53] <MrChrisDruif> They use Ubiquity just like Ubuntu
[00:54] <MrChrisDruif> Ubiquity is the fancy "Ubuntu" name for installer
[00:54] <grover78> good stuff. So I'll leave ubuntu installed and run lubunto live for a bit to see what I think
[00:55] <grover78> hey, can I run lubuntu and ubuntu as a dual-boot?
[00:55] <grover78> sorry, random thought there lol
[00:56] <[styx]> go through the install process
[00:56] <[styx]> just like you did with ubuntu
[00:56] <[styx]> but partiton your harddrive
[00:56] <[styx]> and install it on the partiton
[00:56] <grover78> ok will do
[00:57] <grover78> I got a terrible DL speed so I'm gonna hop off here... I'll try the install and come back later
[01:28] <r4y> I want to know how long pastebin holds the info pasted, as well as how long imagebin hold images
[01:29] <r4y> I can offtopic if that is better then asking here. I guess it is offtopic
[01:37] <genshooter> were talkin about pastebin in #ubuntu right now maybe someone there will know?
[01:42] <r4y> I went to offtopic and some answered my question saying that it is stored for about a month.
[01:42] <r4y> I meant ubuntu-offtopic
[01:42] <r4y> TY, bye o/
[01:46] <JackyAlcine> pastebin lasts usually about a month, but you can change that.
[02:03] <grover78> bio you here?
[02:04] <bioterror> for a moment
[02:04] <bioterror> it's 4am :D
[02:04] <grover78> where the heck are you?? (I'm in canada its 8pm here)
[02:05] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed, where are you? as it's only 3 here
[02:05] <bioterror> grover78, that country which just won ice hochey world championship ;)
[02:05] <MrChrisDruif> AM*
[02:05] <grover78> anyways, how is it possible to burn a cd, yet ubuntu not recognise my CD drive under computer?
[02:05] <grover78> lol I see Bio
[02:06] <bioterror> grover78, sudo lshw
[02:06] <bioterror> can you see your cd-rom drive
[02:07] <grover78> nope, thats the thing. I just burned lubuntu to CD, but yet under places>computer I can't see the cd rom
[02:07] <grover78> strange no?
[02:08] <bioterror> hmmm
[02:08] <bioterror> you have cd in the drive?
[02:09] <grover78> well the one I just burned. I suppose it was a bad burn and the computer just thinks theres nothing in the drive
[02:10] <bioterror> try audio cd or something else
[02:10] <grover78> yeah I just tried my ubuntu CD and that's recognised.
[02:10] <grover78> guess I should re-burn lubuntu and see what happens
[02:11] <bioterror> grover78, your computer doesnt support usb boot?
[02:12] <[styx]> its old he said
[02:13] <bioterror> for me C2D is old too
[02:13] <grover78> sadly no bioterror usb boot is not an optiion
[02:14] <grover78> I have to burn the iso to CD and boot from the CD
[02:14] <grover78> do I burn the iso, or the contents of the iso file?
[02:14] <bioterror> grover78, check MD5sum first
[02:15] <grover78> how do I do that?
[02:15] <bioterror> md5sum fooo.iso
[02:19] <grover78> ?
[02:21] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[03:01] <Ambrose83> how do i make virtualbox recognize my USB
[03:04] <Ambrose83> The ubuntu website says:
[03:04] <Ambrose83> Add yourself to the user group vboxusers, then log out and back in, to make use of available USB devices. To do this via the graphical interface, click in the menu System/Administration/ Users and Groups.
[03:04] <Ambrose83> However I do not see the vboxusers option in the Users and Groups section
[03:27] <JackyAlcine> You might need the non-OSE version of VirtualBox, Ambrose83
[03:47] <Ambrose83> I am looking for the virtualbox-4.0 in the software downloader but i can't seem to find it
[03:50] <Braiam> Ambrose83: I guest that is a separate repo for that
[03:51] <Ambrose83> Braiam: I am not sure what that means
[03:52] <Braiam> Ambrose83: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/608146/
[03:52] <Braiam> ups bad link
[03:52] <Braiam> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
[03:53] <Braiam> Ambrose83: look for the Linux Host line
[03:53] <Braiam> then Debian based distros
[03:54] <Ambrose83> Funny, I just did that I have got the package installing now
[03:58] <Ambrose83> Now VirtualBox-4.0 is giving me an error message:
[03:58] <Ambrose83> Failed to access the USB subsystem
[03:58] <Ambrose83> Details:
[03:59] <Ambrose83> Result Code:
[03:59] <Ambrose83> NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x00004005)
[03:59] <Ambrose83> Component:
[03:59] <Ambrose83> Host
[03:59] <Ambrose83> Interface:
[03:59] <Ambrose83> IHost {35b004f4-7806-4009-bfa8-d1308adba7e5}
[03:59] <Ambrose83> Callee:
[03:59] <Ambrose83> IMachine {662c175e-a69d-40b8-a77a-1d719d0ab062}
[04:17] <Error404NotFound> i hate ubuntu
[04:19] <styx> why
[04:23] <Error404NotFound> wont connect to blue tooth kb
[04:26] <Braiam> Error404NotFound: you have the bluez paq instaled?
[04:31] <Error404NotFound> i have no idea what that is
[04:31] <Error404NotFound> briaa\\
[04:31] <Error404NotFound> ffs
[04:31] <Error404NotFound> Braiam:
[04:33] <Braiam> Error404NotFound: bluez is the package that manage the bluethoot links in ubuntu
[04:34] <Braiam> Error404NotFound: also the gnome-bluetooth brings the gui
[04:38] <Braiam> Error404NotFound: if you want support /join #ubuntu
[04:38] <Error404NotFound> lol
[04:38] <Error404NotFound> like they suport anyone
[04:41] <Braiam> Error404NotFound: if they don't know the answer or you don't ask correctly, nobody respond
[04:49] <Error404NotFound> if they didnt understand me they hve no business trying to support anyone...
[04:50] <nit-wit> Error404NotFound, you are such an idiot grow u;p;
[04:50] <Error404NotFound> you grow up lil fag
[04:50] <Braiam> Error404NotFound: #u is a pretty big channel so nobody can read so fast
[04:50] <Error404NotFound> no one has ever talked in there
[04:51] <Braiam> but they try, also remember is voluntary
[04:52] <Braiam> Error404NotFound: read the topic, please
[04:53] <Error404NotFound> whats that have to do with anything
[04:56] <Braiam> Error404NotFound: there is a interesting link up there How to ask smart questions
[04:58] <Error404NotFound> should be alink on how to understand english
[05:01] <Braiam> Error404NotFound: let's move the conversation to #ubuntu-beginners-team
[07:33] <KyleB> I need help with an ftp server.
[07:34] <Puck`> and hi to you too, welcome to the ubuntu beginners channel (:
[07:34] <KyleB> Hi
[07:35] <Puck`> well KyleB, until you explain your problem, no one will be able to help you
[07:35] <Error404NotFound> lol
[07:36] <KyleB> Sorry. I'm having trouble connecting to my ftp server.
[07:36] <Error404NotFound> use a hammer
[07:36] <KyleB> lol. I would if that would help.
[07:37] <Error404NotFound> its helped me on many occasion
[07:37] <Puck`> KyleB: okay, but what kind of problems? What are you trying to do exactly? What error messages are you getting? (:
[07:38] <Error404NotFound> he must get a lot of pebkac errors like me
[07:38] <KyleB> In filezilla I get a 530 login incorrect message. Then a critical error.
[07:38] <Puck`> KyleB: did you try any other client?
[07:39] <KyleB> +Puck': I've tried fireftp.
[07:39] <Puck`> KyleB: and, what happened? (:
[07:40] <KyleB> I don't remember the errors but I can't connect still.
[07:42] <Error404NotFound> they got cute ftp for linux?
[07:43] <Puck`> Error404NotFound: Google is still your friend
[07:43] <Error404NotFound> google is not nor ever will be my friend
[07:43] <Puck`> KyleB: well when was the last time you connected to the FTP? And did anything change since then?
[07:43] <Puck`> Error404NotFound: that's your loss, but still doesn't change what I was trying to imply (:
[07:43] <Error404NotFound> its my gain
[07:44] <Error404NotFound> google is evil
[07:44] <Puck`> alright.
[07:44] <KyleB> +Puck': I've never been able to connect to it.
[07:44] <Puck`> KyleB: well then double check your credentials, username and password
[07:45] <KyleB> +Puck': I'm new to ftp and not sure what files to check and where there are.
[07:46] <Puck`> KyleB: oh I see. So where have you setup your FTP server?
[07:46] <KyleB> +Puck': It's at my house.
[07:46] <Puck`> KyleB: what FTP software did you install? proftpd?
[07:47] <bioterror> why use ftp when there's openssh-server and sftp
[07:47]  * bioterror wonders
[07:47] <KyleB> +Puck': Yes.
[07:47] <Error404NotFound> i use hfs
[07:48] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, you mean HFS+?
[07:48] <Puck`> KyleB: are you sure you can connect to the server? I mean does it have connection to the outside world, it isn't blocked by a router or firewall?
[07:49] <KyleB> +Puck': I'm not sure how to test that. lol.
[07:49] <Error404NotFound> shut down yer firewall...
[07:49] <Puck`> KyleB: do you have the ip address of your server? You should be able to ping it. Open a terminal and write: ping yourIP
[07:50] <Puck`> Error404NotFound: It's awesome that you're trying to help, but please, just help if you're sure you want too, otherwise you might confuse the others (:
[07:51] <KyleB> +Puck': All packets recieved.
[07:52] <Puck`> KyleB: that's great. proFTPd uses your server username and password as a login, you sure you used those during a login attempt?
[07:52] <Error404NotFound> lol
[07:53] <KyleB> +Puck': Yes.
[07:54] <KyleB> +Puck': Could I add a new user and try that?
[07:54] <Puck`> KyleB: of course, you've got ssh access to the server?
[07:55] <Puck`> brb, cigarette break (:
[08:05] <duanedesign> hello
[08:05] <duanedesign> .6'
[08:05] <duanedesign> .5
[08:05] <duanedesign> ugh
[08:08] <Puck`> hi duanedesign (:
[08:08] <Puck`> rough weekend? ((:
[08:09] <KyleB> +Puck': How would I create a new user? Would I use this in terminal?  sudo useradd username -p password -d /home/FTP-shared -s /bin/false
[08:11] <duanedesign> sudo adduser <username>
[08:11] <duanedesign> or use 'User and groups'
[08:13] <r4y> OK, I have a question I have been wondering for many many months if not for more then a year now
[08:15] <r4y> I found an entry not listed in alacarte called other. It has applications that are repeated over and over like for instance wine core exe which exists 6 times. I want to lower that number down if not delete what is not useful at all
[08:16] <Puck`> KyleB: what duanedesign said (:
[08:16] <Puck`> duanedesign: he's adding users on a server, so not User and groups
[08:16] <r4y> These same entries exist under open with
[08:17] <KyleB> +Pule`: I can now access it with my account but there are no directories.
[08:17] <KyleB> meant +Puke` sorry.
[08:17] <Puck`> KyleB: do you have anything in your /home/ folder?
[08:17] <r4y> These same entries exist under open with other application, sorry I should have completed that sentence
[08:17] <Puck`> puke? Ouh ((:
[08:17] <KyleB> Puck
[08:18] <KyleB> I'm tired. lol.
[08:18] <Puck`> haha, it's okay, no worries (:
[08:19] <KyleB> +Puck`: Yes.
[08:19] <Puck`> KyleB: which username did you login with? The one you just created or the one you tried before and didn't work?
[08:21] <KyleB> +Puck`: The one I was trying before. I tried the one I just created and nothing on dice with that one.
[08:21] <Puck`> KyleB: you could try to restart proftpd with the command: sudo /etc/init.d/proftpd restart
[08:22]  * DarkwingDuck holds his breath
[08:23] <KyleB> +Puke`: Ok I restared it.
[08:25] <Puck`> KyleB: try now
[08:25] <duanedesign> sorry the -m adds the home directory. sudo useradd -d /home/testuser -m testuser
[08:25] <duanedesign> sudo passwd testuser  <--add password
[08:26] <KyleB> +Puck`: Nothing and now I can login with the other account.
[08:27] <Puck`> KyleB: and still no directories? Can you create any?
[08:27] <KyleB> +Puck`: I can't even connect anymore.
[08:28] <Puck`> KyleB: ouhm, something weird is going on there :\
[08:28] <KyleB> +Puck`: Yeah I would say.
[08:29]  * tsimpson notes that the '+' is not part of the nick
[08:31] <KyleB> Sorry
[08:32] <tsimpson> nothing to be sorry about, just letting you know
[08:32] <KyleB> Thanks.
[08:32] <tsimpson> it actually signifies they have "voice" in the channel
[08:32] <KyleB> Voice?
[08:33] <tsimpson> it's usually used when the channel is moderated, so only people with voice can talk in the channel, but in this case it just shows people who are "important" ;)
[08:34] <KyleB> Oh. I see.
[08:37] <r4y> Hmm, so I am looking at these entries under other, like I said there are 6 called wine core exe, I decided instead to look at the 3 called winebrowser under properties of it they have wine start /ProgIDOpen htmlfile %f and wine start /ProgIDOpen htmlfile %f and wine start /ProgIDOpen xmlfile %f so I have an idea of what to do I guess. 2 of those are exactly the same unless I am mistaken, so...
[08:37] <r4y> ...1 of those I guess can be deleted
[08:37] <r4y> I am un aware of the need for these
[08:38] <KyleB> Puck`: Any idea what's wrong?
[08:39] <r4y> Could I have accidentally made these entries when opening something but instead accidentally opened wine in it's place?
[08:40] <r4y> That's all I am going to post sorry
[08:40] <Puck`> KyleB: well seeing that sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't ... i don't really have the slightest idea
[08:43] <KyleB> Puck`: This what it says in the proftpd.log - "USER kyle: user is not a UserAlias"
[09:18] <KyleB> Puck`: I created a new user and used the first users password to login and it work. But in the proftpd.log it shows that I connected with the first account.
[09:24] <KyleB> And still no directories.
[09:32] <kristian-t40> hi all
[09:32] <wdzzz> Hello guys i have problem, when I type TOP commands and when im trying to exit top..then CTRL+Z works but its not exit from memory but only suspened top process
[09:42] <coalwater> geez, why do people leave if they don't get their reply in 2 mins
[09:42] <coalwater> i was gonna help but his loss
[09:42] <tsimpson> because they are impatient
[09:42] <tsimpson> and impatient people don't deserve an answer anyway ;)
[09:42] <pleia2> a lot of people don't really understand the IRC format, 2 minutes feels like a long time
[09:43] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2: you're up still?
[09:43]  * pleia2 nods
[09:44] <DarkwingDuck> XD
[10:35] <coalwater> where are the default apache errors pages located by default..
[10:37] <coalwater> ok there's /var/www/error/ but these don't seem like php/html pages
[10:40] <bioterror> coalwater, how about dpkg -L
[10:40] <bioterror> gee
[10:40] <coalwater> i don't understand
[10:41] <coalwater> what is that supposed to do
[10:42] <bioterror> install lighttpd :D
[10:47] <coalwater> i just want a page to respond as if it doesn't exist, though it actually does, just till im done testing
[10:47] <coalwater> and it's on an already working website
[10:54] <coalwater> nvm, i just faked it with the page's html
[12:28] <coalwater> hi cprofitt
[12:28] <cprofitt> hello coalwater
[17:16] <vohe> hi - out - there. I got a problem with Ubuntu 11.04 and the standard gnome (2.0 i guess). I installed LibreOffice 3.4.0-5 Beta. After that i didn't see any menu-icons for Libreoffice?
[17:19] <bioterror> hmmm
[17:19] <coalwater> there's a gnome menu thing for libre office, do u have it installed?
[17:20] <vohe> Thx, for your post. Shure, i did. But is there a script or anything else to do a update of the icons ??
[17:21] <coalwater> are u talking about the application menu icons, or the in application icons, like open and save and such
[17:21] <bioterror> you should have /usr/share/applications/writer.desktop or something like that
[17:22] <vohe> @coalwater no, i talk about the gnome-menue. Application - Office - LibreOffice Writer ...
[17:23] <vohe> @bioterror - just a moment, i take a look
[17:23] <coalwater> do u have a certain theme installed
[17:25] <vohe> @coalwater -no it is all set to standard - i mean nothing changed. The only thing i change is the LibreOffice installation. Normaly Libre3.3.2 is installed within Ubuntu11.04
[17:27] <coalwater> did u check the directory that bioterror told u?
[17:27] <vohe> i got a file called: /usr/share/applications/libreoffice3.4 writer but thats a link
[17:28] <vohe> as i click on this link in nautilus - the program starts.
[17:29] <vohe> there is also libreoffice3.4 calc and libreoffice3.4 math ... all of them got the same icon
[17:30] <vohe> but in the gnome menu i see a (folder) with a questionmark in it
[17:32] <coalwater> it should be in the /usr/share/icons/
[17:32] <coalwater> i think the problem is that they are named like that
[17:33] <coalwater> they shouldn't have the libreoffice prefix
[17:35] <vohe> hmm. no in the /usr/share/icons folder i only see other folders. They named like the themes i can choose. (e.g. there is a folder called redglass)
[17:37] <vohe> i found some of the icons. They are at: /usr/share/icons/gnome/128x128/apps
[18:50] <Fvic> hi all,can anyone plz help me in executing a simple qt program???error-"QApplication: No such file or directory"???
[18:51] <xardas008> is it a program you've written?
[18:51] <xardas008> or did you download it somewhere?
[18:51] <Fvic> i downloaded.actually i can send you the program.i have started qt tday only
[18:52] <xardas008> try to run qmake --project (or qmake -project don't know if one or two -)
[18:52] <xardas008> and after that qmake && make
[18:54] <Fvic> yes i tried but actually i think thieir is problem in path setting.error is QApplication:no such file exist
[18:54] <xardas008> qt devel files are installed?
[18:55] <xardas008> and a .proj file exists?
[18:57] <Fvic> ah..m sorry but in which directory to find..their are numerous"QtSDK"and "QtCreator"and "Desktop" etc etc
[18:57] <xardas008> when you install qtcreator via synaptic everything you need will be installed too
[18:57] <Fvic> yes i did that...
[18:58] <xardas008> can you send me a link where you downloaded the program? I will have a look at it
[18:58] <Fvic> actually i just want to compile c++ program that uses qt header files,but error is coming
[18:58] <Fvic> k...
[19:00] <Fvic> sir i bought abook n got a cd in that...the program was from their..
[19:00] <Fvic> http://pastebin.com/xfjGPGeN
[19:01] <Fvic> xardas008, http://pastebin.com/xfjGPGeN
[19:01] <xardas008> one moment, i will have a deeper look at it
[19:01] <Fvic> k..
[19:03] <xardas008> ok works for me.
[19:03] <xardas008> called the file test.cpp and put it into a folder named test, then inserted the text via copy & paste, run qmake -project && qmake && make on terminal and after that ./test
[19:03] <xardas008> and program started
[19:04] <Fvic> is their need for setting environment variable?
[19:05] <xardas008> if you can run qmake, then everything is set up
[19:05] <xardas008> he needs the .proj file in which he has a information about what packages needed like qtcore
[19:06] <Fvic> should i make test folderin home directory?
[19:06] <xardas008> http://pastebin.com/Fn7LviFs
[19:06] <xardas008> that stands in my test.pro file
[19:06] <xardas008> you need a folder yes
[19:06] <xardas008> how you name it depends on your choice
[19:07] <xardas008> and where to put
[19:07] <Fvic> k..i must try it now
[19:07] <xardas008> and qmake -project generates the needed .pro file for you
[19:14] <Vvic> xardas008, sir,my .pro file was created but cannot run that file.i wrote"./test"[test1 is my file name],then error"bash: ./test1: No such file or directory"       is coming
[19:14] <xardas008> what's the output of ls?
[19:15] <xardas008> maybe the executable file is called only test
[19:15] <Vvic> "hello.cpp  Makefile  test1.pro"
[19:16] <xardas008> did you call qmake && make?
[19:16] <Vvic> should i write "./test1.pro"...but then error perission denied is coming
[19:16] <xardas008> you need to execute three commands: qmake -project (generates a .pro file), qmake and after that make
[19:17] <Vvic> ok..i didnt tried make
[19:18] <Vvic> simply make or some other parameter along with make?
[19:19] <xardas008> only make
[19:19] <xardas008> it will compile your program
[19:20] <Vvic> http://pastebin.com/NhZ1pHpX
[19:20] <Vvic> xardas008, list of error coming..http://pastebin.com/NhZ1pHpX
[19:24] <xardas008> what files are in /usr/include/qt4?
[19:28] <Fvic> xardas008, i installed it in home folder with name QtSDK.....their is none file as such qt4 in  usr/include/
[19:28] <xardas008> that's why it doesn't work
[19:28] <xardas008> he tries to include this directory and does not find it
[19:29] <xardas008> install qt from the ubuntu repositories
[19:29] <Fvic> xardas008, so sir any suggestion?
[19:30] <Fvic> k..."suo apt-get install qt4"...will it be fine
[19:30] <Fvic> ?
[19:30] <xardas008> mom
[19:30] <Fvic> mom??
[19:31] <Error404NotFound> milk of magnesia
[19:31] <xardas008> if you call sudo apt-get install qtcreator he will install everything needed
[19:31] <xardas008> mom is the short word for moment
[19:31] <Fvic> k thaks a lot..i will install again
[19:32] <Fvic> okz..:).
[19:32] <Error404NotFound> you would be the first person ive ever seen use mom ad moment it my 12 years on the internet
[19:32] <Error404NotFound> wow i can spell
[19:47] <xardas008> Fvic: just tell me if it now works
[19:48] <Fvic> i will surely sir...gtng installed.
[19:49] <Fvic> a bit of problem with my net connection.speed is very slow..so taking a time
[20:12] <Fvic> xardas008, sir it woked..
[20:12] <xardas008> nice
[20:12] <Fvic> xardas008, thanks a lot..:)
[20:12] <xardas008> np
[20:12] <Fvic> now i m more willing to learn this language further....it was f grt help
[23:15] <etodd> problems with wireless and ethernet drivers on Dell laptop... can someone help?
[23:15] <coalwater> i dont have wireless ,but i could tell u this is a common problem, maybe soon ull find someone to help u
[23:20] <MrChrisDruif> !wireless
[23:21] <ubot2> Wireless documentation, including how-to guides and troubleshooting information, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[23:21] <MrChrisDruif> More then that I can't help
[23:21] <seidos> gotta' find out if there is a working kernel module for your wireless chipset
[23:22] <seidos> if not, well...then hopefully you have the patience for ndiswrapper (assuming it will work with your chipset)
[23:22] <etodd> ubot2, I have no internet access on my laptop now, ethernet driver disappeared too... how do I add drivers via jumpdrive?
[23:22] <ubot2> etodd: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[23:23] <seidos> well, i would recommend getting to slack
[23:23] <MrChrisDruif> etodd; I gave ubot2 the command.
[23:23] <seidos> i'm not sure if the CoC recommends a method of "relaxed work", last time i checked, it didn't
[23:23]  * MrChrisDruif says *Hi*
[23:23] <etodd> seidos, wireless worked with ubuntu 10.10, but updated to 11.04 ... gone?
[23:24] <coalwater> lol that ubot2 is smarter than i thought
[23:24] <seidos> etodd: when i used 11.04, it worked
[23:24] <seidos> what chipset are you using etodd ?
[23:24] <etodd> seidos, I'm an amateur... how do I locate chipset?
[23:25] <seidos> etodd: only way i know is the terminal command "lspci"
[23:25] <seidos> the terminal is our friend
[23:25] <seidos> just like "the graph" in economics
[23:26] <etodd> seidos, terminal I can do, commands I don't know
[23:26] <etodd> seidos, let me get back to you with my chipset
[23:26] <seidos> etodd: you can do lspci | grep Wireless *should* return one line
[23:26] <seidos> etodd: then search the web "chipset ubuntu 11.04" something like this
[23:28] <etodd> seidos,  lspci gave me a list, not sure where chipset is?
[23:29] <seidos> etodd: do lspci | grep Wireless
[23:29] <seidos> it should make it one line
[23:29] <seidos> but you're looking for "Wireless"
[23:30] <etodd> seidos, nothing
[23:30] <seidos> etodd: paste the whole list, i'll find it for you
[23:30] <seidos> on paste.ubuntu.com
[23:30] <seidos> or...try harder :)
[23:30] <seidos> well, not "harder", but "more" until you succeed
[23:30] <seidos> i'm not in a hurry
[23:31] <seidos> hopefully you aren't either
[23:31] <seidos> how's life?
[23:32] <etodd> seidos, give me a moment, must trx by jumpdrive to windows machine then paste
[23:34] <seidos> ah, i see
[23:34] <seidos> etodd: actually, lspci | grep Ethernet should work
[23:37] <coalwater> ok since the dev channel is probably sleeping, any body here for a small regex question
[23:38] <etodd> seidos, http://paste.ubuntu.com/608697/
[23:39] <seidos> coalwater: not me
[23:39] <coalwater> lol, well thanks for replying :D
[23:39] <seidos> i mean, ask away, but don't be disappointed if i'm unable to help
[23:39] <kristian_> holstein, ping
[23:40] <seidos> etodd: line 22, "WLAN" should've gave it away, but 802.11b/g also is an indicator
[23:41] <seidos> coalwater: i would think #perl or something would be a better place to ask
[23:41] <etodd> seidos, Ethernet brought "Broadcom Corp BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev 02)
[23:42] <coalwater> hm
[23:42] <coalwater> k ill try
[23:42] <seidos> etodd: yeah, it would have needed to be lspci | grep Network, apparently
[23:42] <seidos> my wireless is an atheros ath5k, and it is listed with "Wireless" and "Ethernet" labels
[23:43] <seidos> etodd: grep just lists lines that match the keyword (it is case sensitive)
[23:43] <seidos> so, we're passing the lspci list through grep with a keyword to limit what is returned
[23:44] <seidos> anyway, now you know you're chipset \o/
[23:44] <seidos> but broadcom i think is :(
[23:45] <etodd> how do i load a driver for ethernet without access to Ubuntu software center?
[23:45] <seidos> first we need to find out what kernel module you need
[23:46] <seidos> oh, check it out etodd: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[23:46] <seidos> distilled that WifiDocs link for you a bit
[23:47] <coalwater> lol that #perl seem busy testing some stuff
[23:47] <coalwater> i prefer staying here , feels more comfortable lol
[23:47] <seidos> hmmm, i'm not sure who else would be good at regexp, #bash or #python?
[23:47] <seidos> you could also try asking in #gnu
[23:47] <seidos> the people there have been pretty cool
[23:48] <coalwater> ill ask jes or something when i find her later
[23:48] <seidos> and you could also lurk until the channel dies down a bit
[23:48] <seidos> right on
[23:48] <coalwater> it's late anyway
[23:48] <coalwater> i should sleep
[23:49] <seidos> sleep is good
[23:50] <seidos> may sweet angels guide thee to thy rest
[23:50] <coalwater> yea, and that good thing is something i lack :D
[23:50] <seidos> then, that's bad?
[23:51] <coalwater> i know! lol
[23:51] <coalwater> trying to do work then study when im home, and also keep track of other things needed to be done, wish days were longer than 24 hours
[23:52] <seidos> go lay down, watch the breath, maybe watch the breath, or listen to your pulse for a little while
[23:52] <seidos> i dunno, i hear good things about biofeedback
[23:52] <seidos> yeah, i wish i didn't need to sleep either
[23:52] <seidos> but, no getting around the biology, at least not yet
[23:52] <seidos> i hear some people don't need as much sleep as others
[23:52] <seidos> but they are outliers
[23:53] <seidos> everyone else just pretends :|
[23:53] <coalwater> they try to make them selves believe that so their bodies wont act tired :D
[23:54] <MrChrisDruif> coalwater; You'd find more things to do in days longer then 24 hours <_<"
[23:54] <coalwater> yea MrChrisDruif ,probably right
[23:54] <seidos> they probably are just really good at relaxing
[23:54] <seidos> stress wears out the mind and body
[23:56] <MrChrisDruif> seidos; they?
[23:56] <MrChrisDruif> Ow, nv I read back :)
[23:59] <coalwater> ok i think i've done enough, learned url fetching and doing regex, enough for today :D lol