[01:54] <vorlon> rs2009: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/kinetic/ubuntu-unity/+build/374463/+files/buildlog_ubuntu_kinetic_amd64_ubuntu-unity_BUILDING.txt.gz snaps included now
[04:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ubuntustudio-look [amd64] (kinetic-proposed/universe) [22.10.2] (ubuntustudio)
[05:34] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks vorlon
[05:34] <LocutusOfBorg> yes, it was probably never working correctly
[05:34] <LocutusOfBorg> sad story, luajit is mostly optional on every package, because not available everywhere. So the testsuite mostly never runs it...
[06:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cockpit (jammy-updates/universe) [276.1-1~bpo22.04.1 => 264-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset)
[06:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: at-spi2-core [amd64] (kinetic-proposed/main) [2.46.0-3] (core, i386-whitelist)
[06:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubuntu-advantage-tools [source] (xenial-proposed) [27.11~16.04.1]
[07:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected ubuntu-advantage-desktop-daemon [source] (xenial-proposed) [1.10~16.04.1]
[08:48] <rs2009> would be great if someone could run the Ubuntu Unity ISO build
[08:48] <rs2009> sil2100, as I mentioned in the #ubuntu-flavors channel, the Firefox issue should be fixed in this build
[08:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted at-spi2-core [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [2.46.0-3]
[09:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-advantage-tools (xenial-proposed/main) [27.10.1~16.04.1 => 27.11~16.04.1] (no packageset)
[09:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-advantage-tools [source] (xenial-proposed) [27.11~16.04.1]
[09:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ceph-deploy (focal-proposed/universe) [2.0.1-0ubuntu1 => 2.0.1-0ubuntu1.1] (no packageset)
[12:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ubuntu-wallpapers [amd64] (kinetic-proposed/main) [22.10.1-0ubuntu1] (desktop-core)
[13:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libreoffice [source] (bionic-backports) [1:7.3.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~bpo18.04.1]
[13:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ubuntu-advantage-desktop-daemon [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.10~18.04.1]
[13:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ubuntu-advantage-desktop-daemon [amd64] (bionic-proposed/none) [1.10~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[13:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ubuntu-advantage-desktop-daemon [i386] (bionic-proposed/none) [1.10~18.04.1] (no packageset)
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[13:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ubuntu-advantage-desktop-daemon [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed/none) [1.10~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[13:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ubuntu-advantage-desktop-daemon [arm64] (bionic-proposed/none) [1.10~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[15:02] <coreycb> hello ubuntu-sru, I'm getting pressure to get neutron fixed in focal. there's a new version in focal unapproved if anyone has cycles to review. thanks!
[15:09] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-archive: I need a quick ack on ubuntustudio-look in binary NEW for kinetic, it's just a new wallpaper.
[16:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libreoffice [s390x] (bionic-backports/main) [1:7.3.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~bpo18.04.1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[16:08] <bdmurray> I'm looking at neutron
[16:10] <cpaelzer> Eickmeyer: looking
[16:11] <cpaelzer> since we are in UIF I checked and found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-look/+bug/1989359 - reading ...
[16:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libreoffice [i386] (bionic-backports/main) [1:7.3.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~bpo18.04.1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[16:13] <cpaelzer> Eickmeyer: the new .changes should have been generated with -V22.04.9 - in the current form it won't refer and close the bug as it misses the 22.10.1 content (this is not blocking, just FYI)
[16:14] <Eickmeyer> cpaelzer: I did generate the .changes with -v22.04.9.
[16:15] <cpaelzer> hmm, oh you are right here it is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-look/22.10.2 wondered as it wasn't in the diff that was first shown to me
[16:15] <cpaelzer> you are right Eickmeyer
[16:15] <cpaelzer> also the UIFe is accepted (kind of obviously)
[16:15] <Eickmeyer> Heh :)
[16:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted neutron [source] (focal-proposed) [2:16.4.2-0ubuntu4]
[16:16] <cpaelzer> sorry for the delay, just reading through all of 22.10.1 atm
[16:18] <cpaelzer> Eickmeyer: so yeah, it really is just the expected new -kinetic package on top of the formerly agreed UI upload - accepted now
[16:19] <cpaelzer> since I'm on it also looking at ubuntu-wallpapers now which has the same "problem"
[16:19] <Eickmeyer> cpaelzer: Thanks! :)
[16:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ubuntustudio-look [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [22.10.2]
[16:20] <cpaelzer> seb128: you did that upload and you could accept it yourself. I won't as the reffered UIFe bug is the one from impish
[16:22] <cpaelzer> seb128: pinged you on bug 1989359 about it
[16:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libreoffice [ppc64el] (bionic-backports/main) [1:7.3.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~bpo18.04.1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[16:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libreoffice [i386] (bionic-backports) [1:7.3.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~bpo18.04.1]
[16:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libreoffice [s390x] (bionic-backports) [1:7.3.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~bpo18.04.1]
[16:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libreoffice [ppc64el] (bionic-backports) [1:7.3.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~bpo18.04.1]
[17:42] <RikMills> vorlon: the bug says you removed the uim armhf binaries, but britney does not think so. Can you help?
[17:43] <RikMills> mitya57: ^
[17:44] <mitya57> Reference: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#uim
[17:44] <mitya57> > missing build on armhf: uim (from 1:1.8.8-9.1)
[18:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-signed (jammy-proposed/main) [1.182~22.04.1 => 1.182~22.04.1] (core) (sync)
[18:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-unsigned (jammy-proposed/main) [2.06-2ubuntu10 => 2.06-2ubuntu10] (core, i386-whitelist) (sync)
[18:33] <vorlon> mitya57, RikMills: the comment in the bug is accurate, I removed all the armhf binary packages except the 'uim' one ;)
[18:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2-signed [sync] (jammy-proposed) [1.182~22.04.1]
[18:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2-unsigned [sync] (jammy-proposed) [2.06-2ubuntu10]
[18:33] <mitya57> Ah.
[18:33] <vorlon> fixed now
[18:37] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: W: Ignoring non-equal Provides for package ubuntustudio-wallpapers-jammy in ubuntustudio-wallpapers-kinetic:all=22.10.2
[18:37] <vorlon> you're apt spamming everyone in kinetic
[18:38] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: I didn't catch that one, but that's not hard to fix.
[18:45] <mitya57> vorlon: Thank you
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Fixed.
[19:09] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: thanks
[20:12] <tsimonq2> ubuntu-release: Hi, bug 1990636 has been filed. I'm rusty (and consulting docs now), if it needs an ack could I get a review please? tl;dr we're asking if we can upload new wallpapers for 22.10. Thanks
[20:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-rav1e [sync] (kinetic-proposed) [0.5.1-4]
[20:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ubuntu-wallpapers [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [22.10.1-0ubuntu1]
[20:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libreoffice [amd64] (bionic-backports/main) [1:7.3.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~bpo18.04.1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[20:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-rav1e [amd64] (kinetic-proposed/none) [0.5.1-4] (no packageset)
[20:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-rav1e [s390x] (kinetic-proposed/none) [0.5.1-4] (no packageset)
[20:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-rav1e [arm64] (kinetic-proposed/none) [0.5.1-4] (no packageset)
[20:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-rav1e [ppc64el] (kinetic-proposed/none) [0.5.1-4] (no packageset)
[20:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-rav1e [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [0.5.1-4]
[20:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-rav1e [ppc64el] (kinetic-proposed) [0.5.1-4]
[20:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-rav1e [arm64] (kinetic-proposed) [0.5.1-4]
[20:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-rav1e [s390x] (kinetic-proposed) [0.5.1-4]
[20:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-rav1e [armhf] (kinetic-proposed/universe) [0.5.1-4] (no packageset)
[21:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-rav1e [armhf] (kinetic-proposed) [0.5.1-4]
[21:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libreoffice [amd64] (bionic-backports) [1:7.3.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~bpo18.04.1]
[21:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: debian-installer (focal-proposed/main) [20101020ubuntu614.3 => 20101020ubuntu614.4] (core)
[21:25] <vorlon> bdmurray: ^^ our prereq for 20.04.6...
[21:25] <vorlon> if you happen to want to review
[21:28] <vorlon> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/kinetic_uninst.txt oh hey look, apt spam
[21:28] <rbasak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases#Future is out of date, if somebody feels like fixing it.
[21:29] <bdmurray> I'm trying to figure out why /snap/bin is in /etc/environment ... cloud-init?
[21:29] <bdmurray> s/is/isn't/
[21:29] <vorlon> in whose /etc/environment
[21:30] <bdmurray> some lxd armhf remote unit
[21:31] <blackboxsw> vorlon: I think sil2100 accidentally overlooked the unapproved upload to bionic-proposed yesterday morning https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=cloud-init   jammy and focal were approved, yet I think this was overlooked for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1987318.
[21:31] <blackboxsw>   If there is SRU review time today to supplement this bugfix release for pre-release bugs found in -proposed, it'd be great. If not, we can circle back w/ sil2100 on Monday
[21:31] <bdmurray> blackboxsw: oh hey does cloud-init set PATH in /etc/environment?
[21:33] <blackboxsw> bdmurray: cloud-init doesn't write to /etc/environment from what I recall.... we can quick check any written files on a system w/ grep Writing /var/log/cloud-init.log
[21:33] <bdmurray> 2022-09-23 18:43:46,706 - util.py[DEBUG]: Writing to /etc/environment - wb: [644] 310 bytes
[21:33] <blackboxsw> ahh interesting. hah. it didn't on my LXC instances
[21:33] <blackboxsw> glad grep tells the truth. reading back context in this channel
[21:35] <bdmurray> basically "/snap/bin" isn't in $PATH when connected via ssh and I'd thought this was fixed with bug 1659719
[21:37] <blackboxsw> bdmurray: this is within a live install via subiquity? I know there are some funky $PATH gymnastics there
[21:37] <falcojr> bdmurray: got more of that log? I was also under the impression that we never touched /etc/environment and finding where isn't obvious
[21:38] <blackboxsw> I'd expect maybe at some stage we see a write_files declaration in cloud-config that's trying to manipulate /etc/environment if you see those logs in cloud-init.log  `sudo cloud-init query userdata` would check that on the failed environment or `sudo cloud-init collect-logs`
[21:39] <bdmurray> The problem is the userdata file, I do not accept responsibility for this line
[21:39] <dbungert> subiquity does mess with environment more than I would like, but it does so by appending instead of resetting.  It sounds to me though that in this lxd armhf unit subiquity isn't involved.
[21:40] <bdmurray> Anyway, thanks for responding
[21:40] <vorlon> dbungert: you've piqued my interest.  where/why?
[21:42] <dbungert> vorlon: the big problem is that subiquity has both archive python packages and pip packages and we need to fix that.
[21:42] <vorlon> dbungert: why does that require modifying /etc/environment?
[21:42] <dbungert> oh no, it doesn't
[21:42] <vorlon> ah ok
[21:42] <dbungert> this is strictly the environment of two processes or so
[21:43] <blackboxsw> ok, then shouldn't manifest in cloud-config user-data in that case
[21:43] <blackboxsw> so if you're seeing funky user-data with write_files manipulation of /etc/environment bdmurray that's likely our cause, and we'd need to find out the who/why there
[21:44] <bdmurray> blackboxsw: this was my issue https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/autopkgtest-cloud/+git/autopkgtest-cloud/+merge/430401
[21:44] <blackboxsw> heh. ahh roger got it . sorry for the noise otherwise
[21:44] <bdmurray> No, I'm sorry! ;-)
[21:45] <blackboxsw> sooo. <nice pause> ...  Is the defined best-practice for packaged delivered to devel releases to avoid specifying release ~MM.NN.1 versions until after a release becomes stable?
[22:50] <vorlon> blackboxsw: yes
[22:50]  * blackboxsw looks up the wikis again.
[22:50] <blackboxsw> ok will revert to our previous behavior.
[22:51] <blackboxsw> so next uploads for L-series will correct that
[23:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gallery-dl (focal-backports/universe) [1.23.0-1~bpo20.04.1 => 1.23.1-1~bpo20.04.1] (no packageset)
[23:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gallery-dl (jammy-backports/universe) [1.23.0-1~bpo22.04.1 => 1.23.1-1~bpo22.04.1] (no packageset)


[00:12] <arooni> whats the best way to check for integrity of a sd storage card?
[00:15] <oerheks> fsck, reading smart
[00:16] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[00:21] <sarnold> arooni: badblocks perhaps? if you're questioning a specific card, it's probably bad and time to replace it
[00:22] <oerheks> real bad block, yeah
[00:22] <oerheks> they tend to 'grow'
[00:23] <ratel> just like my mother in law
[00:23]  * ratel ducks
[02:29] <jwash> hi everyone, i can get my external ip, how do i get the domain name associated with it?
[02:29] <Treskjeg> Under Ubuntu 20.04, I'm unable to access virtual terminals using ctrl+alt+F[1-6]. Is there a way to enable these?
[02:30] <sarnold> jwash: 'host ip.add.re.ss' is one easy way
[02:30] <sarnold> jwash: host is a handy tool, but if you're debugging dns, it's probably best to stick to dig
[02:31] <jwash> i need it for nextcloud
[02:31] <jwash> thanks
[02:31] <sarnold> Treskjeg: any chance you've configured your x11 or wayland to forbid switching?
[02:32] <Treskjeg> No; this is a vanilla Ubuntu install. The only custom configuration I've done on X11 is to get it to run with Nvidia without breaking the login page.
[02:33] <Treskjeg> Also, running 20.04 if that helps at all.
[02:33] <sarnold> Treskjeg: is this perhaps a laptop keyboard that also requires you to hold down an 'fn' key to use the f1-f12 keys?
[02:35] <Treskjeg> It is a *Microsoft* ergonomic keyboard; it has a windows key.
[02:36] <sarnold> oh those tend to have enough space for dedicated media keys
[02:37] <sarnold> Treskjeg: try running xev and hitting f1, f2, etc with it running; then check control, check alt, and make sure those are also control and alt
[02:37] <Treskjeg> Oh, k. My keyboard DOES have a function lock key.
[02:40] <Treskjeg> The function lock key did it (to the right of all of the function keys, toggles a light on the keyboard). The Windows key doesn't seem to act like a function key.
[02:40] <sarnold> oh sweet :)
[02:40] <Treskjeg> Or rather, like a 'fn' key.
[02:40] <Treskjeg> Thanks for the help! Works now.
[02:42] <oerheks> !cookie | sarnold
[02:43] <sarnold> COOKIE! NOMNOMNOM
[03:20] <geosmile> My ubuntu 20.04 UI has been hanging randomly - and I've to change into terminal and shut it down - it just becomes unresponsive
[03:20] <geosmile> any ideas on how to debug that ? get that fixed?
[03:50] <rjwiii> geosmile: what GPU do you have and how many monitors?
[03:50] <geosmile> rjwiii, 1 monitor - Nvidia 2080
[03:51] <rjwiii> geosmile: Not what I thought it might be ...
[03:51] <rjwiii> geosmile: when it hangs, are you able to ssh in?
[03:52] <geosmile> rjwiii, i can use ctl+f7 or something like that after some time , get a shell in terminal, and shutdown
[03:53] <rjwiii> geosmile: so, still have keyboard control ... but the desktop freezes?
[03:53] <geosmile> desktop freezes, so i have to get out of X , goto text terminal using Ctrl+ F9 or F7 and then login on the 80 x 40 black terminal, then shutdown
[03:54] <rjwiii> geosmile: recent install?
[03:54] <rjwiii> geosmile: upgrade or fresh?
[03:54] <geosmile> a month old - 20.04LTS - totally updated
[03:54] <geosmile> fresh
[03:55] <rjwiii> geosmile: when did this start happening?
[03:55] <geosmile> not sure
[03:55] <geosmile> Seems like ubuntu's desktop has never been stable for me anymore - 20.04 lts that is
[03:56] <rjwiii> geosmile: when it freezes, can the mouse cursor still move?
[03:56] <geosmile> yes
[03:57] <rjwiii> geosmile: have you tried hitting Alt-F2 to bring up a run dialog?
[03:58] <geosmile> I've not, will try that next time, but nothing else works on the screen
[03:58] <geosmile> its frozen
[03:59] <rjwiii> geosmile: I had a freezing problem that was similar, but I have a Radion and multiple monitors ... took me a month and a half to figure that one out ...
[03:59] <geosmile> how did you figure it out?
[04:00] <rjwiii> geosmile: Google, Google and more Google ... :)
[04:00] <geosmile> oh ok
[04:00] <rjwiii> geosmile: I have a Thelio from System76 and had a support ticket open ... ended up figuring it out myself ...
[04:01] <geosmile> wthat is impressive
[04:02] <rjwiii> geosmile:  did you make any changes to your system recently? Hardware or software?
[04:06] <rjwiii> geosmile: do apps continue to update when the desktop freezes?
[04:07] <geosmile> no
[04:07] <geosmile> rjwiii, i think its broken from day one
[04:07] <geosmile> rjwiii, there are known issues with 4k monitor + nvidia cards for ubuntu 20.04lts
[04:08] <rjwiii> geosmile: tried playing with the Nvidia config app?
[04:09] <rjwiii> geosmile: ahhhh .... my monitors are not 4K ...
[04:28] <nikolam> I can't use OpenGL on Intel graphics (Haswell, HD 4600), I used to use AMD 7850 and I pulled it out  https://pastebin.com/2pAANkgJ
[04:29] <tatertotz> nikolam: then put it back "in"
[04:29] <tatertotz> nikolam: is that so hard?
[04:30] <nikolam> tatertotz, nice idea, but I would like to use Intel graphics now. And maybe I learn something in the process.
[04:30] <nikolam> I don't know if I could use that AMD anymore on this system
[04:30] <tatertotz> nikolam: you haven't posted a system information pastebin
[04:32] <nikolam> There are some apps (like anydesk, teamviewer) that refuse to open window with intel setup now.
[04:32] <nikolam> tatertotz, meaning like with lshw?
[04:33] <lalitmee> Hey Guys, I am facing a very weird problem in my Ubuntu 18.04 and that is my Internet Download and Upload speed is very fast but when I try to browse any website it takes a lot of time to load. Do any one of you know about this problem?
[04:34] <lalitmee> As you can see my hexchat is also being disconnected again and again. Why this problem is occuring suddenly?
[04:34] <nikolam> tatertotz, https://pastebin.com/WiVsG5rV
[04:36] <tatertotz> nikolam: eww
[04:36] <tatertotz> nikolam: that's ugly
[04:36] <tatertotz> nikolam: in terminal>       inxi -Fxxprzc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[04:37] <tatertotz> nikolam: follow instructions on screen to install if not installed then follow through
[04:37] <tatertotz> nikolam: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..simply say so
[04:39] <nikolam> tatertotz, https://termbin.com/j7du
[04:44] <tatertotz> nikolam: your graphics and graphics subsystem isn't installed correctly,
[04:45] <tatertotz> nikolam: in terminal>    ls -alh /var/log|nc termbin.com 9999
[04:45] <tatertotz> nikolam: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..simply say so
[04:46] <nikolam> https://termbin.com/ddnd
[04:48] <tatertotz> nikolam: as per https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/75043/intel-core-i5-4570-processor-6m-cache-up-to-3-60-ghz.html your integrated iGPU has a "Intel® HD Graphics 4600"
[04:48] <nikolam> yes tatertotz
[04:49] <tatertotz> nikolam: i can only imagine the things you've done on this over the last 3 months
[04:49] <nikolam> I think X server is using VESA and this is the problem. maybe I should create /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and put 20-intel.conf in int, with ' Section "Device"  Identifier "Intel Graphics" Driver "modesetting"  EndSection ' in it?
[04:50] <tatertotz> nikolam: it should actually look more similar to this https://termbin.com/ppkm
[04:50] <tatertotz> nikolam: your devices isn't listed correctly and no drivers successfully loaded for it
[04:50] <tatertotz> nikolam: that's not good
[04:51] <nikolam> ok let me reboot..
[04:51] <tatertotz> nikolam: it's so abnormal looking you'd be better off reinstalling than trying to band aid that mess
[04:51] <tatertotz> nikow: utter mess
[04:51] <futureRich> : can i know what it means? getopt(argc, argv, “abc:d:012”)  ?
[04:53] <tatertotz> futureRich: https://termbin.com/svq8
[04:53] <tatertotz> futureRich: sure you can https://termbin.com/svq8
[04:54] <tatertotz> nikolam: you don't even have a GLX renderer, proper device listing or driver in use
[04:55] <tatertotz> nikolam: cluster ducked  s/d/f
[04:55] <tatertotz> nikolam: fubar
[04:55] <nikolam> I guess it's all the matter of installing packages then?
[04:55] <tatertotz> nikolam: no you'll reinstall
[04:56] <tatertotz> nikolam: unless you're clairvoyant, supreme being that already knowns EXACTLY what packages verbatim
[04:56] <tatertotz> nikolam: and you're NOT
[04:56] <futureRich> tatertotz: thanks
[04:57] <tatertotz> nikolam: and installing random packages might be how you landed yourself in this boat to begin with
[04:58] <tatertotz> nikolam: i'm sure you've install plenty packages over the course of the last 3 months or so
[04:58] <nikolam> I bet there is some fine manual for using Intel graphics drivers.. I just need to find it
[04:59] <tatertotz> nikolam: sorry this one is better looking https://termbin.com/2j68
[05:00] <tatertotz> nikolam: look how pretty this looks https://termbin.com/2j68 now look at yours https://termbin.com/j7du
[05:00] <tatertotz> nikolam: see my "intel" driver there..all nice and pretty ..standing proud
[05:01] <tatertotz> nikolam: my GLX renderer...standing proud
[05:01] <tatertotz> nikolam: ...yours....:(
[05:02] <tatertotz> nikolam: you've got more problems that just intel driver...you've rendered graphics "N/A"
[05:02] <nikolam> tatertotz, I know..
[05:02] <tatertotz> nikolam: i can only imagine what kind of evil a end user would have to do to render graphic "N/A"
[05:03] <tatertotz> nikolam: best to burn some sage and reinstall
[05:03] <nikolam> just pulled out AMD graphics. Maybe some setting were forcing it to use amd for rendering .. etc.
[05:04] <nikolam> And it used to always force 1024x768 on Intel etc
[05:04] <tatertotz> nikolam: did you configure your system in any way outside of the operating system to support such a change?
[05:05] <tatertotz> nikolam: BIOS's often have a setting for PRIMARY GRAPHICS set to either "PCI-E" or "on board/on CPU"
[05:06] <tatertotz> nikolam: is it the same when booted to LiveCD/LiveUSB?
[05:07] <nikolam> tatertotz, yes, I should check primary graphics set in BIOS, But I think it's about PCI initialization time
[05:08] <nikolam> tatertotz, let me check with live media, too.
[05:08] <nikolam> see you later
[05:29] <packeteer> I've got a bug to report in haproxy 1.8.26-1ppa1~xenial... I'm a bit light on detail as it was impacting Prod, but client connections are being closed early
[05:39] <marz> I'm trying to move my iptables rules to ufw which Ubuntu 18.08 is using. How do I do icmp type limits? e.g. icmptype 8 limit: avg 1000/min burst 5
[05:40] <guiverc> marz, there is no Ubuntu 18.08 (2018-August) release
[05:40] <bray90820> So I have nemo install in 20.04 but it doesn't have dropbox intagradtion so is there a way to change the just the dropbox folder to nautilus
[05:54] <gnoob> It's not a virtual machine?  On my VM the Fn key does not seem to work.
[05:54] <gnoob> oop
[05:54] <gnoob> oops, I was way scrolled up.
[06:02] <oerheks> packeteer, xenial? great release it was, EOL now, dead.
[06:02] <oerheks> !xenial
[06:02] <oerheks> oh wait, few more months
[06:08] <packeteer> :)
[06:08] <packeteer> we still have a few boxes
[06:17] <nikow> tatertotz: Hmm?
[06:19] <tatertotz> nikow: welcome back
[06:21] <nikow> tatertotz: 06:51 <tatertotz> nikow: utter mess
[06:21] <nikow> tatertotz: What's utter mess?
[06:21] <futureRich> option must one character in linux command line?
[06:21] <tatertotz> nikow: it's a verbal expression common in the west
[06:22] <nikow> futureRich: No, it can be longer. Like mosh --ssh=
[06:22] <nikow> tatertotz: Hmm… Ok? Thanks for highlight anyway.
[06:22] <futureRich> nikow: if i use only ‘-‘?
[06:23] <futureRich> then character is only one character?
[06:25] <nikow> It's a standard in the industry, but it does not need to be followed.
[06:26] <nikolam> I inserted back AMD 7850 in an attempt to use Anydesk, teamviewer and to see working glxinfo, but I get the same message as with Intel 4600 : https://pastebin.com/TGSvSQvh  Previously with 7850, 3D used to work.. https://pastebin.com/TGSvSQvh
[06:28] <oerheks> reinstall teamviewer and anydesk? not applications that are suppported by us..
[06:28] <oerheks> sure they can help you wipe it clean
[06:31] <nikolam> oerheks, already done that I think it is something with OpenGL/MESA
[06:32] <tatertotz> nikolam: did you boot LiveCD/LiveUSB and see if graphics and graphics sub system look okay?...did you check BIOS?...those were the two actions you were supposed to have taken, magic silver bullets are only in movies
[06:33] <tatertotz> nikolam: you hoping for secret "fix all" button ?
[06:34] <marz> guiverc: I meant ubuntu 18.04
[06:34] <nikolam> tatertotz, forgot about that, will also boot live media, sure. I actualy just finished installing 7850 back. Since I am on BTRFS and have apt-btrfs-snapshot installed, I could boot system from month ago to also see if it differs.
[06:34] <nikolam> let me get back
[06:34] <tatertotz> nikolam: none of those problems will fix themselves or change by themselves
[06:34] <tatertotz> nikolam: https://termbin.com/j7du
[06:35] <tatertotz> nikolam: you don't even have a GLX renderer to use any drivers
[06:36] <tatertotz> nikolam: you're software rendering also
[06:37] <nikolam> https://termbin.com/glmg
[06:37] <tatertotz> nikolam: so none of that teamviewing or Anydesk crap is going to function as designed
[06:37] <tatertotz> nikolam: not in your current conditioin
[06:37] <tatertotz> nikolam: condition
[06:37] <oerheks> you paid them for support :-P
[06:39] <nikolam> lemme reboot do other things prescribe, before me rumbling anymore :P
[06:44] <kmplsv> Ughhh. I've recently been having issues with Ubuntu 20.04 installations as a guest OS in VirtualBox with a Windows 10 host. For some reason, files are writing to and being stored in my /tmp directory. Thinking I did something wrong during the initial installation/configuration, I deleted two previous VMs and started over. However, here on my third installation now, the issue persists. It looked
[06:44] <kmplsv> like things were going fine up until a few minutes ago when I ran into an issue being caused by a full /tmp directory, but it shows my other directory as being basically empty. It's like it is saving everything to the /boot or /tmp directories. What gives?
[07:01] <tatertotz> kmplsv: are you chatting from the VM now?
[07:05] <kmplsv> tatertotz: no. i'm sshd into a vps.
[07:07] <Kharec> 'lo there.
[07:07] <tatertotz> kmplsv: find out what is writing to /tmp
[07:08] <kmplsv> thats what im having trouble doing.
[07:08] <kmplsv> i'm pretty new getting back into linux
[07:08] <oerheks> full tmp, how much space did you reserve?
[07:09] <EriC^^> kmplsv: show us "df -h"
[07:10] <EriC^^> !paste | kmplsv
[07:13] <kmplsv> !screenshots https://i.imgur.com/pFQnPse.jpg
[07:14] <kmplsv> er, here, https://i.imgur.com/pFQnPse.jpg
[07:14] <tatertotz> kmplsv: did you NOT notice the "-h" ???
[07:14] <tatertotz> kmplsv: put on your glasses
[07:14] <EriC^^> doesn't look like there's a separate /tmp
[07:15] <marz> HOw do I limit icmp via ufw? e.g. in my iptables I have icmptype 8 limit: avg 1000/min burst 5
[07:15] <kmplsv> tatertotz: damn man, sorry, still new again to all of this.
[07:18] <kmplsv> i just nuked the VM. starting over from scratch.
[07:18] <kmplsv> probably just spin up an mxlinux VM or something if it happens again.
[07:20] <EriC^^> kmplsv: as is the system looks perfectly fine right now
[07:52] <futureRich> getopt(argc, argv, “f:s:STA”)  == getopt(argc, argv, “s:f:STA”)
[07:52] <futureRich> ?
[07:57] <tatertotz> futureRich: https://termbin.com/9kf4
[08:05] <dirtwash> can someone explain to me why smartontools requires a full installation of postfix mail server?!
[08:06] <tatertotz> dirtwash: email alerts can be sent to a system administrator or engineer of drive status changes.
[08:07] <tatertotz> dirtwash: that's why
[08:07] <tatertotz> dirtwash: take care
[08:08] <dirtwash> tatertotz: that should be optional, not a mandatory dependecy
[08:08] <dirtwash> an active mail server is a security risk
[08:08] <dirtwash> if all I want is SMART values from disks
[08:08] <dirtwash> ridiculous dependency
[08:09] <guiverc> dirtwash, I only see a suggests for groovy - https://packages.ubuntu.com/groovy/smartmontools
[08:10] <guiverc> same for focal, no depends
[08:11] <dirtwash> I get https://pastebin.com/raw/uy3k1Yae for apt install smartmontools
[08:11] <dirtwash> this should not happen
[08:13] <guiverc> dirtwash, you haven't said release, but you can use the link I provided replacing groovy with whatever release you're using to see what you should get
[08:14] <dirtwash> bioinc
[08:14] <dirtwash> suggested packages shouldnt be installed by default
[08:15] <rymate1234> hmmm
[08:15] <rymate1234> quick question about electron apps on linux
[08:15] <rymate1234> when I use my mouse back buttons, it appears to register twice
[08:46] <kmplsv> just spun up an xubuntu vm. man, what a relief over the stock ubuntu bloat.
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> flavours for everyone
[08:48] <techied> ^
[08:50] <kmplsv> yeah, we'll just see if i run into the same problem with this xubuntu VM here in a few minutes lol.
[08:51] <kmplsv> i'm just now getting back into linux/unix after about 15 years. i used to use arch/gentoo/slackware. i swallowed my pride and decided ubuntu would be best to relearn with because the community is so large.
[08:51] <kmplsv> so i'm starting from the CLI ground up
[08:52] <kmplsv> i mean, some stuff i sitll remember of course, but am i flying around in arch or nixos with xmonad hetkey commands like a boss? lol nope.
[08:52] <kmplsv> not yet!
[08:52] <techied> Ubuntu is a great place to start, it's where I started, tons of documentation, guides, and resources
[08:53] <kmplsv> yeah, i'm doing this on the side. the main unix guru i know, one of my bestfriends, used to be a big arch guy like back in the day, i told him i need some help relearning linux so i bought a DO droplet and domain to mess around with.
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | kmplsv join here
[08:54] <kmplsv> he's since converted from arch to nixOS and said he wouldn't help me unless i'm using nixOS.
[08:54] <kmplsv> oh......k
[08:57] <kubast2> Hey I have gotten to know it is possible to give users capabilities(7)
[08:58] <kubast2> I give out the NET_BIND_SERVICE capability to 1000 user with
[08:58] <kubast2> sudo setpriv --init-groups --ruid 1000 --euid 1000  --rgid 1000 --egid 1000 --inh-caps +net_bind_service,+net_admin,+net_raw,+net_broadcast strace nc -l 1023
[08:58] <kubast2> but
[08:58] <kubast2> kernel is meanie to me
[08:58] <kubast2> bind(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(1023), sin_addr=inet_addr("<IP_ADDRESS>")}, 16) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
[08:58] <kubast2> and returns -1 permission denies regardless
[08:58] <kubast2> when trying to bind port 1023 as user 1000 with capability net_bind_service
[08:59] <kubast2> please no bully
[09:00] <kubast2> after having vmware workstation continuesly bsod my windows 10 I just decided to get kvm user session mode networking going, but it can't create a new network interface
[09:00] <kubast2> but giving capabilities to a user does nothing
[09:01] <kubast2> nvm I think I know the obvious answer rn and that is to use kvm/qemu root connection on virsh/virt-manager
[09:45] <elias_a> Where does one set path to firmware file of an USB scanner in 20.04? Which is the correct configuration file?
[09:48] <elias_a> Seems to be /etc/sane.d
[09:51] <ice9> is there a cron called popularity-contest?
[09:51] <techied> It's usage statistics
[09:52] <techied> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuPopularityContest
[09:53] <ice9> is this cron ligit? CRON[715]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0)   why does it exist in the auth log?
[09:53] <techied> yes it is legit
[09:54] <techied> pam is the authentication module used when elevating for example if you do a sudo, pam will come up and ask you for your password
[09:55] <ice9> techied, that's the sudo auth log "sudo: pam_unix(sudo:session)",  it shouldn't be cron?
[09:57] <techied> https://askubuntu.com/questions/465544
[10:09] <pa> hi
[10:09] <pa> how can i make update-grub pick up a usb drive i plugged in? it used to work on 18.04. 20.04 seems to ignore it
[10:32] <Antoine-> Hello, I am using LVM, I would like to convert from a linear logical volume to a mirrored logical volume. How can I do that? Here is the output of pvs vgs lvs https://dpaste.com/DF2B65JWR.txt
[10:33] <Antoine-> It seems I can't just do `sudo lvconvert -m1 /dev/mvg/Medias`, I get "Insufficient free space: 1 extents needed, but only 0 available"
[10:36] <techied> you need to specify the PV to store the mirror on
[10:37] <pa> i need to boot usb /dev/sda2, how can i do it?
[10:37] <pa> i tried with grub cmd line set root=(hd1,2) but that doesnt work
[10:38] <Antoine-> techied: /dev/mvg/Medias is 2.76T and my pvs are 1.8T so the mirror would need to span multiples pvs, right?
[10:38] <Antoine-> techied: Should I do `sudo lvconvert -m1 /dev/mvg/Medias /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdd1` then?
[10:39] <techied> no, specifying multiple PVs in that way would be if you wanted to create multiple mirrors
[10:39] <Antoine-> techied: So is it possible to create a mirrored logical volume with my setup?
[10:40] <techied> yes, create another logical volume striped across multiple PVs to give yourself enough space
[10:40] <Antoine-> I would like /dev/mvg/Medias to be mirrored and take all the remaining space in my volume group mvg
[10:41] <techied> then you can `sudo lvconvert -m1 /dev/mvg/Medias /your/logical/volume`
[10:42] <Antoine-> techied: So do I need to create a new logical volume that is the same size as /dev/mvg/Medias?
[10:49] <Paddy_NI> I have two displays plugged in to my PC running Ubuntu 20.04. No matter what layout I set in "Screen Display" settings the login window always appears on the same display.
[10:50] <Paddy_NI> How do I specifically dictate which display the login prompt appears on?
[10:53] <Paddy_NI> For clarity I have a TV plugged in to the Display Port connection and a standard LCD monitor plugged in to the dvi connection.  In "Screen Settings" I have set the DVI port display to be the primary display (left) and the TV is set as a "joined display" (right).  The system gives the displays numbers, my TV plugged in to the display Port is display 1 and the monitor is 2.
[10:54] <Paddy_NI> So it looks like "2,1" in the Display Settings.  Login windows always appears on "1" annoyingly even though "2" is set as primary.
[10:59] <Antoine-> techied: It says "Physical Volume "/dev/mvg/Mirror" not found in Volume Group "mvg"."
[10:59] <Antoine-> whereas `sudo lvs` says "Mirror  mvg -wi-a-----  <3.20t"
[11:02] <overclock> 5.8.0-050800-generic
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:14] <eeos> I am trying to update 18.04 LTS to 20.04 LTS but it is not working.
[11:14] <eeos> using do-release-upgrade
[11:15] <eeos> Anyone who has been able to do it?
[11:18] <Mibix> oh man that sounds scary eedjit
[11:18] <Mibix> eeos i meant
[11:21] <eeos> Mibix: I am now trying with the -d flag, but I understood we would have been able to upgrade normally from 06/08
[11:22] <eeos> Mibix: is it compulsory to use the -d flag?
[11:22] <Mibix> haha ive never done a big upgrade like that im not the person to ask
[11:23] <Mibix> apparently it will show up in the GUI soon
[11:28] <dilema> Hi! I'm trying to preseed an ubuntu 18.04 lts installation, but I'm stuck. Looking at /var/log/casper.log I see "Loading preseeding file... done" GUI loads ok, but there is not autoinstallation.
[11:28] <dilema> I'm booting the system via PXE and NFS
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> eeos: upgrade path might not be open yet, patience
[11:31] <coconut> lotuspsychje, that will be soon then, right?
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> coconut: it should yes
[11:31] <coconut> :)
[11:37] <ham5urg> I wanted to enable w WIFI-hotspot while internet-connection is via 4g. https://www.debugpoint.com/2020/04/how-to-create-wifi-hotspot-in-ubuntu-20-04-lts/
[11:37] <ham5urg> My menu "Turn On Wi-Fi Hotspot..." is grey/inactive. Nevertheless my WIFI-card is AP-capable as iwlist shows. Am I missing some package I need to install?
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> ham5urg: can you check if wifi drivers are active? sudo lshw -C network
[11:41] <ham5urg> lotuspsychje, here a snippet:        Konfiguration: broadcast=yes driver=iwlwifi driverversion=5.4.0-42-generic firmware=46.6bf1df06.0 latency=0 link=no multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11
[11:41] <pipp8_> How to identify which process is consuming all my swap? I tried ps -auxf and top, but I can't see anything strange. The problem is something is eating more than 50GB of swap space.
[11:41] <ham5urg> looks like this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1230690/wifi-hotspot-option-disabled-after-upgrade-to-ubuntu-20-04
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> ham5urg: seems right loaded
[11:42] <eeos> Mibix: OK! Thank you .... I will try again tomorrow.
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> ham5urg: while you trying to enable your hotspot, try: journalctl -f in realtime see if we can catch errors of some kind
[11:44] <ham5urg> lotuspsychje, I can't try as the button is grey/inactive.
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> ham5urg: this guy mentions something about switching tabs: https://tipsonubuntu.com/2020/05/10/wifi-hotspot-options-ubuntu-20-04/
[11:47] <Antoine-> How can I mirror my /dev/mvg/Medias volume? Here is the output of pvs vgs and lvs https://dpaste.com/HLN7LT8H5.txt
[11:47] <Antoine-> I tried creating a logical volume /dev/mvg/Mirror that should be about the same size as Medias
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> ham5urg: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/-/issues/965
[11:48] <ham5urg> lotuspsychje, thanks for your help but this link helped https://askubuntu.com/questions/1230690/wifi-hotspot-option-disabled-after-upgrade-to-ubuntu-20-04
[11:50] <ham5urg> It's a pitty what Ubuntu and Debian has become. The big money is destroying all quality. I will need to switch in the next days to Devuan.
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> ham5urg: bugs occur to any Os, we cant make general statements like that
[11:52] <ham5urg> lotuspsychje, I can, it is blatant visible to any long time user.
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> ham5urg: feel free to discuss this more in #ubuntu-discuss
[11:53] <ham5urg> Thanks for the link.
[12:55] <BluesKaj> sudo do-release-upgrade gives:"There is no development version of an LTS available" is this a bug or.....?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> upgrading 18.04 to 20.04 LTS
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: think upgrade path still needs to be set open
[12:57] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, what do you mean
[12:57] <BluesKaj> ?
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: 20.04.1 is available, but i think they need to set the lts upgrade path open still
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: several users were reporting no ltsupgrade yet
[12:59] <BluesKaj> thepoint release is mucking things up
[13:01] <BluesKaj> source location a problem ?
[13:02] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje,^
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: not sure whats holding up, we just had some users reporting they cant ltsupgrade yet
[13:04] <BluesKaj> I'll bet some sources aren't up to date yet
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2020-August/000259.html 'offered soon'
[13:10] <BluesKaj> that's no help when the point release was advertized as being available yesterday:-)
[13:12] <leftyfb> BluesKaj: the point release is available. Just not from direct upgrade path. That will be available when it's ready
[13:13] <BluesKaj> leftyfb, excuses, excuses :-)
[13:21] <BluesKaj> anyway i passed the message on to a user who was quite confused why 18.04 won't upgrade to 20.04
[13:33] <marcoagpinto> 18.04 will upgrade to 20.04.1 I was told
[13:34] <marcoagpinto> and .1 was supposedly released yesterday
[13:34] <marcoagpinto> I still haven't checked
[13:35] <leftyfb> it's not available to upgrade just yet
[13:38] <coconut> marcoagpinto, mailing list(yesterday) says "soon"
[13:38] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhh
[13:38] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:39] <marcoagpinto> in the roadmap it was 6th
[13:39] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:39] <marcoagpinto> and today is 7th
[13:39] <marcoagpinto> or did I read bad
[13:39] <marcoagpinto> ?
[13:39] <coconut> marcoagpinto, LTS .1 release and upgrade from older LTS are different things
[13:39] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhh
[13:40] <marz> How do I migrate these iptables rules https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zqMDNVbTWZ/ to ufw?
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> marz: checkout #netfilter and ##networking
[13:43] <marz> lotuspsychje: I have the iptables rules, I'm trying out Ubuntu 18.04 and trying to migrate my iptables rules to ufw
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> marz: i'm just widening your options
[13:44] <marz> lotuspsychje: can you direct me to an article about ufw icmp limiting? I've been searching but can't find anything
[13:50] <iffraff> Hi, sometimes, my mouse will start acting like there is a new, smaller bounary on my screen.  I mean it will only go up 2/3s or only 1/4 over on my left screen or something. i manage as best I can till I have to reboot which fixes it.
[13:50] <iffraff> I was wondering if someone could help me fiture this out. or if there was a command to "reset" the mouse or something
[13:52] <leftyfb> iffraff: Is this a VM?
[13:54] <iffraff> leftyfb: no, and sorry I should have given my setup, I'm running ubuntu 20.04 I have two 4k monitors and the mouse is BT, it's the logitech mx supadupa something.
[13:54] <leftyfb> iffraff: do you have synergy or some sort of remote desktop software running?
[13:56] <iffraff> I'm not familiar with synergy, but I mean I do have virtualbox, and I occasionally use it, but this does not corolate with using vb, mouse problem happens way more frequently.  I also use docker, which is VM ish
[13:58] <leftyfb> iffraff: remote desktop, as in VNC, RDP or Teamviwer or Gotomypc or somethin
[13:59] <iffraff> Ah I just noticed something the limit is the same on both monitors.  so right now I can't go to the top of either of my screens.
[14:00] <iffraff> leftyfb: right, oh right, not virtual but remote, and yes I do have RDP, I can't remember what it's call just a little cli that can bring up a remote windows bos.  However, I havn't started that in a very long time
[14:03] <leftyfb> iffraff: server, not client
[14:04] <iffraff> ah, no.  I'm not running anything like that
[14:07] <iffraff> aaaarrrrrgggg now I can't mouse over to the left of my left screen I have like 10% horizontal.  I'll have to reboot.  but first I'm going to inspect my system settings for monit
[14:07] <iffraff> monitor
[14:12] <malwar3hun73r> Anyone aware of any good BLE simulator/emulator projects that could be used for developement/testing?
[14:13] <iffraff> OK, I'm back
[14:14] <iffraff> leftyfb: any thoughts on my mouse issue?
[14:49] <cybrNaut> when the whole system freezes (the screen, the mouse, the keyboard, animation suspended, no sign of life, etc..), what *package* is that a bug of?
[14:50] <cybrNaut> (for bug reporting)
[14:52] <oerheks> one needs to check the logs for that, nau
[14:52] <oerheks> journalctl -xe , or syslog, dmesg
[14:55] <ELFrederich> what is the package that gives you "Command 'foobar' not found, but can be installed with"
[14:56] <cybrNaut> i'm not talking about what caused the crash.. it's likely a misbehaving app.    Note that there is no log checking, because when it's in this frozen there is also no way to ssh in to reach the logs
[14:56] <oerheks> cybrNaut, one can check previous logs..
[14:58] <cybrNaut> if it's frozen, the ability to log the problem is in itself blocked
[14:59] <cybrNaut> what's the name of the package that includes the kernel in ubuntu?
[15:01] <ioria> ELFrederich, command-not-found probably ?
[15:01] <ioria> !info command-not-found   ELFrederich
[15:01] <ioria> !info command-not-found
[15:02] <ELFrederich> ioria: thanks!
[15:03] <ioria> ELFrederich, it's ok
[15:03] <ELFrederich> ioria: any idea how it works?  Does bash have some hooks that it ties into?
[15:05] <ioria> ELFrederich, it usews a uses a cache of existing programs
[15:10] <cybrNaut> got the answer.  The package is simply "linux"
[15:20] <johnfg> hi folks
[15:20] <kedar_apte> iffraff: check if you have any extensions enabled for gnome...have you enabled scaling? On 4K I am assuming you would... if you are on Wayland and not using scaling, you might as well check with x11 ... Also can you try connecting a USB mouse and see if you have the same issue?
[15:21] <johnfg> Never did get any response about the problem yesterday with gnome-initial-install after an update.
[15:21] <johnfg> I did a workaround, but don't know if the problem's fixed.
[15:21] <johnfg> After that update, the sound is not working either.
[15:21] <johnfg> I've tried adjusting various things with alsamixer, but to no avail.
[15:22] <johnfg> Those updates from 2 days ago...not so good :-(
[15:22] <kedar_apte> jognfg: can you check which kernel are you using?
[15:23] <kedar_apte> johnfg: can you check which kernel are you using?
[15:23] <iffraff> kedar_apte: so not sure how to check if I'm on wayland, and I believe I am using scaling
[15:23] <kedar_apte> if you are using scaling, then u r on wayland... can you check by connecting USB mouse?
[15:23] <johnfg> kedar_apte: Linux ubuntuhome 5.4.0-42-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 10 00:24:02 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:24] <johnfg> I tried with the previous kernel, at least for my user not being recognized, but to no avail.
[15:25] <kedar_apte> johnfg: I have had sound issues on fedora and Ubuntu both...I was booting in earlier kernel on both untill a new kernel was released.. since then I havent had an y issues... it is a kernel problem.... either live with it till ubuntu releases a patch... because it is a known issue I guess... or upgrade the kernel or keep booting in the older kernel
[15:26] <iffraff> kedar_apte: I would have to wait till it started acting up again. It is intermitant.  when that happens I'll plug in a usb mouse.  what should I do given the usb mouse works and what if it doesn't ?
[15:26] <SpecialK|Canon> Is there a Git equivalent to `bzr-builddeb`? I'm starting to work through https://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html
[15:27] <johnfg> kedar_apte: Thanks for the thought, I'm gonna try that earlier kernel, just for the sound's sake.  brb
[15:28] <kedar_apte> iffraff: if the usb mouse works.. then I think there is an issue with the wireless mouse... do you have a spare test mouse
[15:30] <iffraff> yes I have a usb mouse somewhere.
[15:30] <kedar_apte> spare wireless mouse I meant :)
[15:32] <johnfg> The previous kernel makes no difference.  Still no sound.  Some other bug/problem with the updates of a couple days ago.
[15:33] <iffraff> ah, I think I have that as well.
[15:47] <yao_ziyuan> i'm playing ubuntu 20.04 live usb on a touchscreen laptop. it seems it can support long-touch-to-right-click out of the box, e.g. when i open the Home folder and long-touch the Videos subfolder, a context menu does show up. but sometimes if i touch somewhere else (blank area) to dismiss the context menu, a new context menu (for the blank area) shows up.
[15:50] <dust> snap thunderbird did today an update to 78.1.1 but since then i cant start anymore this version and the start button links to the old 68 version which cant start the newer profile... how to set the start button of 78 back to starting 78 instead of now 68? its really urgent
[16:09] <vuurdraak> !paste
[16:11] <vuurdraak> hi all q: for some reason my wifi wont turn anymore on my old laptop , also if i insert an USB wifi adapter, it was working before , both wifi adapters seem to be recognized, no idea what is going on real https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MSM94GwSQd/
[16:12] <Guest_8> Which irc client is recommended? do you (collective) use xchat or something else?
[16:13] <vuurdraak> i am using hexchat
[16:14] <Guest_8> thanks, can I ask why you have chosen that?
[16:14] <vuurdraak> loool
[16:14] <vuurdraak> i just realized i had the wifi turned off with the button on the laptop to turn the stuff on and off haha , i am stupid
[16:15] <vuurdraak> thats what u get when its too hot :')
[16:15] <Guest_8> we've all been there I think..
[16:16] <vuurdraak> xD
[16:20] <kedar_apte> iffraff: Did your issue get resolved?
[16:21] <Guest_8> how do i use tls with irc?
[16:21] <vuurdraak> it's interesting to see that even an USB wifi stick gets turned off by the wifi on/off button on the lappy, i learned something new
[16:22] <iffraff> kedar_apte: no, I have to wait for my mouse to start misbehaving.  It's intermitant.  happens 1 or 2x a day
[16:22] <kedar_apte> ok
[16:24] <rattlebattle79> So I see that Ubuntu have introduced encryption on / filesystem in 20.10. Maybe ZFS will be thee default filesystem for 22.04 LTS?
[16:24] <oerheks> Guest_8, freenode uses SASL, see the list https://freenode.net/kb/answer/sasl
[16:24] <vuurdraak> you could always enabled encryption with a fresh install, i got disk encryption with 18.04
[16:25] <oerheks> ZFS is work in progress
[16:25] <rattlebattle79> vuurdraak: I'm talking about ZFS
[16:25] <vuurdraak> ah
[16:26] <rattlebattle79> ah, sorry,  I see now I was a little unclear...
[16:28] <rattlebattle79> oerheks: Are you taliking about Ubuntu with ZFS is work in progress? ZFS on Linux has been stables since 2014.
[16:28] <oerheks> encryption has just been introduced, no?
[16:29] <oerheks> anyway, too early to talk about 22.04 LTS and features
[16:29] <rattlebattle79> introduced i 20.10 beta yes
[16:30] <rattlebattle79> of course, but not too early to speculate... ;)
[16:33] <johnfg> Anyone else having trouble with sound since the updates of 2 days ago?
[16:43] <kedar_apte> hey johnfg: did you try on an older kernel version?
[16:51] <johnfg> kedar_apte: Yup, and I put it here but I guess you missed it.  Still no sound with the previous kernel. :-(
[16:52] <kedar_apte> which version did u try?
[16:52] <kedar_apte> the earlier one?
[16:53] <kedar_apte> johnfg: what is the output of this command................... dpkg --list | grep linux-image
[16:53] <johnfg> 5.4.0-40
[16:56] <kedar_apte> you should have three kernels at least
[16:56] <johnfg> kedar_apte: Still want to see the output?
[16:56] <kedar_apte> with different numbers
[16:57] <johnfg> kedar_apte: I'm pretty sure that I have set for only 2 kernels to be present.
[17:55] <sharpertool>  Hey all. I have an Ubuntu 18.04 embedded system. I'd like to minimize the services used, but also of course maintain access. I'd like to disable wifi power since I don't have the antennas connected, and then test for a physical ethernet cable, and only try to start the network if a cable is inserted. Does all of that sound doable?
[18:03] <leftyfb> sharpertool: blacklist the drivers for your wifi ... better yet, disable it in the hardware/bios settings if possible
[18:05] <sharpertool> So, add 'blacklist wlan0' to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[18:05] <leftyfb> sharpertool: for ethernet, you might want to revert back to ifupdown as opposed to netplan so you can utilize hotplug for an interface. I can't seem to find an equivalent setting in netplan
[18:05] <leftyfb> sharpertool: the driver, not the interface name
[18:06] <yao_ziyuan> just tried ubuntu 20.04, kubuntu 20.04 and fedora 32 on a touchscreen laptop to test touchscreen right-click support. unity has a reliable way to right click: tap and hold, but the long-hold approach isn't reliable; kde doesn't support right-click at all; gnome seems to be the most promising - the desktop supports long-hold-to-right-click on some objects but not everything.
[18:08] <sharpertool> looks like the driver is just 'wl' -- fro lshw
[18:09] <leftyfb> sharpertool: sudo ethtool -i wlan0
[18:09] <leftyfb> that'll tell you the driver
[18:10] <leftyfb> yao_ziyuan: do you have a support question? btw, Unity is not installed by default on Ubuntu 20.04
[18:13] <sharpertool> yeah, worked great @leftyfb
[18:15] <sharpertool> So, my next big question is, I need to make my embedded system auto-start an app that is full screen. It seems  like a good way to do this would be to use a file in /usr/share/xesssions.. My initial attempt at this failed (would not start). I need a good reference source so I can really get some knowledge on how X11 starts up, and how best to make my embedded platform start, and launch this app.
[18:18] <Sven_vB> sharpertool, are you using any window manager?
[18:19] <yao_ziyuan> leftyfb: what's ubuntu 20.04's default DE? GNOME?
[18:20] <usr1987> Gnome
[18:20] <leftyfb> yao_ziyuan: if you download just "Ubuntu" from ubuntu.com, it's a variant of gnome
[18:21] <Sven_vB> sharpertool, I'd tend to use openbox and use ~/.config/openbox/autostart
[18:24] <yao_ziyuan> leftyfb: ubuntu-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[18:29] <sharpertool> @Sven_vB - that system currently has gdm on it
[18:30] <Sven_vB> sharpertool, maybe lightdm instead?
[18:30] <sharpertool> short term, I'd like to stick with what is there, even though I could optimize it with a smaller, ligher system.
[18:30] <sharpertool> yeah, that's pretty easy to setup isn't it
[18:31] <Sven_vB> lightdm + openbox is really nice for kiosks in that it has less magic that can interfere.
[18:31] <sharpertool> How would I go about climbing the learning curve on that?. Just start at the main page?
[18:31] <Sven_vB> I'm not aware of any learning curve for it
[18:31] <sharpertool> hehe.
[18:32] <sharpertool> Well, there is always some sort of curve.. in my experience.
[18:32] <sharpertool> Maybe I'm slower than most, also possible.
[18:32] <Sven_vB> the auto-login was a bit tricky to figure out, I'll check what I use.
[18:35] <Sven_vB> wow it's unity-greeter for lightdm autologin. lightdm-autologin-greeter and lightdm-gtk-greeter both failed in December 2018, maybe they've been fixed since.
[18:36] <sharpertool> So openbox doesn't necessarily replace gdm
[18:36] <kenwoodfox> Where is loader.conf on ubuntu? http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/cosmic/man4/isp.4freebsd.html
[18:36] <kenwoodfox> its not the same place as bsd :/
[18:37] <Sven_vB> sharpertool, it should. the unity greeter doesn't need gdm.
[18:43] <kenwoodfox> Im trying to do the same thing these guys are doing https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1566431
[18:43] <kenwoodfox> and i think they're syaing dont load isp to load isp?
[18:44] <kenwoodfox> put qla2xxx in instead?
[18:44] <kenwoodfox> /etc/modules
[18:45] <Sven_vB> that thread says it's for hardy, is that still supported even?
[18:45] <kenwoodfox> *shrug*
[18:45] <kenwoodfox> Im on ubuntu 20
[18:46] <Sven_vB> I'm not sure I grasp what the thread is really about. Are you looking for mainboard drivers, and the board is called qla2000?
[18:46] <kenwoodfox> no its a qlogic card, i forgot the exact model but i can pull it up
[18:46] <kenwoodfox> on freebsd 12 i just load those modules to allow it to work
[18:46] <Sven_vB> in ubuntu you can usually try modprobe mostly safely
[18:46] <kenwoodfox> how does that work?
[18:47] <Sven_vB> sudo modprobbe $drivername
[18:47] <Sven_vB> *modprobe
[18:47] <Sven_vB> once you find a driver that works, add it to /etc/modules
[18:47] <kenwoodfox> is isp the name of the module or is it qla2xxx
[18:48] <Sven_vB> the thread seams to think it's the latter. you could try both.
[18:48] <kenwoodfox> Hm.. ok
[18:48] <Sven_vB> add "; echo rv=$?" to see the exit code, on success the only message should be rv=0
[18:49] <kenwoodfox> the card i have is a Qlogic QLE2562
[18:49] <kenwoodfox> Sven_vB: im not sure i understand that last bit,
[18:50] <kenwoodfox> modprobe qla2xxx; echo rv=$?
[18:50] <kenwoodfox> rv=0
[18:50] <kenwoodfox> like that^?
[18:50] <Sven_vB> processes end with a return value, 0 means success. depending on your shell configuration it might not be printed by default. adding that echo command will print it explicitly.
[18:50] <Sven_vB> yes that means your driver was loaded
[18:50] <kenwoodfox> ok, cool isp and ispfw return rv=1
[18:50] <Sven_vB> in that case an error message should have been printed in addition
[18:51] <kenwoodfox> ok, i think i see good stuff in /dev now
[18:51] <Sven_vB> :)
[18:51] <kenwoodfox> error was modprobe: FATAL: Module isp not found in directory /lib/modules/5.4.0-42-generic btw
[18:51] <kenwoodfox> what is the "camcontrol devlist" analog in linux?
[18:52] <kenwoodfox> ah, nm lsscsi seems to work very well
[18:52] <kenwoodfox> and there they are :3 thank you #ubuntu, Sven_vB
[18:52] <kenwoodfox> [4:0:0:0]    tape    IBM      ULTRIUM-TD3      93GM  /dev/st0
[18:52] <kenwoodfox> [4:0:0:1]    mediumx ADIC     Scalar i500      585G  /dev/sch0
[18:53] <Sven_vB> glad it worked. if you want it to always be loaded on startup, even if your system doesn't see a reason to do so, add it to /etc/modules. it's basically just a text file with names (one per line) of what to always load.
[18:54] <kenwoodfox> Sweet, thanks so much :3
[18:54] <kenwoodfox> computers are radical
[19:18] <Sven_vB> after I added a local dpkg-divert diversion of /etc/avahi/avahi-daemon.conf and modified the file, is there an easy way to print what would be the content of the maintainer's version of the file? (so I can pipe it to sed to update my local version.)
[19:18] <Sven_vB> (in focal)
[19:25] <fastfresh> I can't get ubuntu media sharing working, can anyone help?
[19:26] <fastfresh> I've enabled it in the settings, but the share doesn't show up on my other ubuntu pc
[19:27] <fastfresh> They are on the same network of course, I can ssh into one from the other
[19:29] <fastfresh> Ubuntu 20.04 if that matters
[19:48] <Hejkki> hello. I just started my new laptop and it acts strangely on ubuntu. I can't write anything to gnome-terminal. All other apps work ok
[19:48] <magyar> hi, is there a live boot ubuntu with all the firmware in stalled ?
[19:49] <rattlebattle79> fastfresh: I don't think "media sharing" is Samba, but DLNA.
[19:49] <Hejkki> ubuntu 20.04 lts
[19:49] <Hejkki> usb installation media
[19:49] <Sven_vB> magyar, which firmware in particulare are you missing?
[19:49] <sarnold> Hejkki: very strange indeed; is there anything in journalctl or dmesg output that looks related?
[19:49] <magyar> b43 wireless
[19:50] <Sven_vB> Hejkki, do you mean gnome-terminal doesn't react to keys being pressed, but the text editor works?
[19:50] <Hejkki> yea
[19:50] <Hejkki> and i can copy/paste to gnome-terminal
[19:51] <Sven_vB> Hejkki, and it displays commands' text as expected?
[19:51] <Hejkki> actually, gedit also not responding, but i can go to apps and search for the terminnal by typing term
[19:51] <Hejkki> Sven_vB: just a sec
[19:52] <Sven_vB> Hejkki, might you have accidentially added some very exotic keyboard layout and switched to it?
[19:52] <Hejkki> dunno
[19:53] <Sven_vB> if you type a command like "ls" into the terminal blindly, does it list the files still?
[19:53] <fastfresh> rattlebattle79: Ok, I got it. So nautilus can't access dlna shares.
[19:53] <fastfresh> I got it working with VLC, but it doesn't show some of the media files
[19:54] <Hejkki> nope, i do have a finnish keyboard layout
[19:54] <Hejkki> english also not helping
[19:54] <rattlebattle79> fastfresh: I have really no idea, but doubt it
[19:54] <Hejkki> Sven_vB: yes, works
[19:54] <Hejkki> terminal works by copypasting
[19:55] <Hejkki> if i paste a command
[19:55] <Sven_vB> Hejkki, so if you type "l", "s", enter it does not react in any way?
[19:55] <Hejkki> actually also firefo not responding
[19:55] <Hejkki> Sven_vB: nope, nothing
[19:56] <Hejkki> but i can push logo key, and type terminal
[19:56] <Hejkki> and enter
[19:56] <Sven_vB> Hejkki, does copy/paste work with the keyboard shortcuts also?
[19:57] <Sven_vB> or maybe history using the arrow keys?
[19:58] <Hejkki> no, can't do Ctrl+v
[19:59] <Sven_vB> I think it's Ctrl+Shift+v usually
[19:59] <Sven_vB> (in terminal)
[19:59] <Hejkki> ctrl+left goes back
[19:59] <Hejkki> in firefox
[20:00] <Hejkki> F5 reloads the page ok
[20:00] <Sven_vB> can you run xkbvleds on the live cd?
[20:00] <Sven_vB> maybe some modifier got stuck
[20:00] <Hejkki> but only once
[20:03] <Hejkki> Sven_vB: xkbvleds shows one green light
[20:03] <Hejkki> the second one
[20:03] <Sven_vB> might it be numlock?
[20:03] <Hejkki> nope, numlock gives me another one
[20:03] <Hejkki> capslock also is another
[20:05] <Sven_vB> unfortunately I can't find a list of the names of those vleds
[20:05] <Hejkki> :(
[20:06] <Sven_vB> if the keyboard is pluggable, maybe it helps to withdraw it and plug it in again. :D
[20:06] <Hejkki> no, it is a laptop
[20:06] <Hejkki> and i do not have a usb keyboard :(
[20:08] <Sven_vB> I'm out of good ideas then. maybe reboot and hope for better luck in the next session?
[20:10] <Hejkki> :\
[20:10] <magyar> hi, I'm trying to install this package https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/libfsapfs-utils  using apt-get install but it's not installing
[20:11] <magyar> am I missing a repo in /etc/apt/sources?
[20:11] <oerheks> !info libfsapfs-utils
[20:11] <oerheks> universe probably..
[20:12] <oerheks> sudo apt-add-repository universe && sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[20:12] <magyar> thank you oerheks
[20:12] <oerheks> then you are good to go
[20:51] <Roey> hi
[20:51] <Roey> why is it that when I run pavucontrol, I just get a dialog saying "establishing connection to PulseAudio. Please wait..."  ??
[20:54] <other_rick> The sound cards context is created using dbus queries, that process took some seconds
[20:54] <other_rick> or you pulseaudio deamon has been died
 or you pulseaudio deamon has been died. hmm
[20:56] <Roey> roey       44303  0.5  0.0 1556168 22468 ?       S<sl Aug06   7:16 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no --log-target=journal
[20:56] <Roey> oh it's still running
[20:56] <Roey> anyway it's messing up Zoom for me as well
[20:56] <oerheks> sure, if you run zoom in 2 accounts..
[20:57] <Roey> as of right now, zoom is very sluggish for some reason
[20:57] <oerheks> interesting, prop binairy blob.
[20:58] <oerheks> did you contact zoom support?
[20:59] <Roey> i did not
[20:59] <Roey> no
[21:00] <Roey> I was hoping someone here had already come across this issue
[21:01] <other_rick> I follow the step listed on 'Internet sharing' of archLinux, but doesn't work, someone gives to me some help?
[21:02] <tomreyn> which ubuntu release are you running?
[21:02] <other_rick> 14.04
[21:02] <leftyfb> Roey: I suggested to you yesterday that you contact Zoom support
[21:02] <tomreyn> !14.04 | other_rick
[21:02] <oerheks> 14.04 ...eol, dead
[21:02] <other_rick> I only can use command lines
[21:03] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
[21:03] <oerheks> incl comandline, start nm-connection editor, etc
[21:03] <oerheks> but you will fail, your machine should not be on the internet
[21:03] <Roey> leftyfb: fine
[21:05] <other_rick> thanks
[21:12] <slashme_wiki> I have a system with a normal HDD running Ubuntu, and I bought an SSD. The ssd is on /dev/nvme0n1 and I've successfully partitioned it and formatted the partitions, and I can mount and write to the partitions, but GRUB doesn't see any partitions: it just sees the disk itself. What could be the cause?
[21:14] <tomreyn> slashme_wiki: what does "GRUB doesn't see any partitions" look like?
[21:14] <tomreyn> what's the command you're running, whats its output?
[21:15] <slashme_wiki> tomreyn, when I go into a GRUB command line and do "ls -l" it lists the partitions on my normal drive, but just gives a single line for the new drive with the correct total size, but no lines for the partitions.
[21:16] <slashme_wiki> And when I try to list the files on the GRUB command line by giving a command like "ls (hd0,1)/" it says "error: no such partition"
[21:17] <slashme_wiki> But I can successfully list files on my existing system by doing "ls (hd1,1)/"
[21:17] <pavlos> lsblk /dev/nvme0n1
[21:17] <slashme_wiki> NAME        MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
[21:17] <slashme_wiki> nvme0n1     259:0    0 232,9G  0 disk
[21:17] <slashme_wiki> ├─nvme0n1p1 259:1    0   195G  0 part
[21:17] <slashme_wiki> ├─nvme0n1p2 259:2    0    24G  0 part
[21:17] <tomreyn> !paste | slashme_wiki
[21:17] <slashme_wiki> └─nvme0n1p3 259:3    0  13,9G  0 part
[21:18] <slashme_wiki> D'oh!
[21:18] <slashme_wiki> Sorry
[21:19] <tomreyn> maybe your installed grub does not support the nvme's partition table
[21:19] <tomreyn> which partition table types do you have on sda and nvme0n1?
[21:20] <pavlos> lsblk -f /dev/nvme0n1 | nc termbin.com 9999 ... provide the link
[21:21] <slashme_wiki> On sda I have a gpt I think
[21:21] <slashme_wiki> https://termbin.com/gov1
[21:22] <slashme_wiki> fdisk -l /dev/nvme0n1 output is at https://termbin.com/tzxk
[21:23] <tomreyn> dos
[21:23] <tomreyn> you probably want gpt there, too
[21:23] <slashme_wiki> OK, will try that! Thanks!
[21:24] <tomreyn> also two boot flags is strange
[21:25] <slashme_wiki> Right, what I want to do is to re-install by putting an installer on the third partition, then use it to do a live install on the big partition, then discard the third partition, using it all for swap.
[21:25] <tomreyn> i'm not sure why the dos partition table prevents your grub from seeing the partitions, though. but gpt is probably the better approach anyways
[21:25] <slashme_wiki> So for the install, I need the third partition bootable, and then later I need the first partition bootable.
[21:26] <tomreyn> 14 GB swap?!
[21:26] <slashme_wiki> Sure, it's an SSD and I use Blender a lot, and for big scenes, I don't want to run out of swap space.
[21:26] <tomreyn> hmm i see
[21:26] <pavlos> how much ram do you hace
[21:26] <pavlos> have
[21:26] <slashme_wiki> 16G I think
[21:27] <slashme_wiki> yep
[21:27] <tomreyn> adding more ram may be worthwhile then if you use blender regularly
[21:28] <tomreyn> nvme's can be fast, but still a LOT slower than ram
[21:28] <slashme_wiki> OK, thanks for the tip!
[22:26] <SuperLag> I just upgraded my VPS from 18.04 to 20.04. It's running a website, and nothing more. Are there any ramifications to uninstalling / disabling snapd/snaps?
[22:27] <sarnold> SuperLag: run 'snap list' to see what snaps are installed; if you're not using any of them, probably not
[22:27] <SuperLag> because, at least so far, there's no snaps I need or would install on that machine... so it's just more unnecessary overhead
[22:27] <SuperLag>   nginx snap list
[22:27] <SuperLag> Name    Version   Rev    Tracking       Publisher   Notes
[22:27] <SuperLag> core18  20200724  1885   latest/stable  canonical  base
[22:27] <SuperLag> lxd     4.0.2     16558  4.0/stable/   canonical  -
[22:28] <SuperLag> dammit
[22:28] <SuperLag> sorry
[22:28] <sarnold> hahahaha
[22:28] <sarnold> apologizing is what pushed drone over the edge. cute.
[22:29] <SuperLag> sarnold: how about now?
[22:29] <SuperLag> better
[22:29] <SuperLag> ugh...
[22:29] <SuperLag> Yeah, I wasn't using any of those snaps
[22:31] <sarnold> SuperLag: only core18 and lxd came through; core18 is useless on its own, so if you're not using lxd, then you're good to purge the thing
[22:34] <SuperLag> snapd was the other
[22:37] <oerheks> switch distro, if you don't like snap. you would not get access to livepatch either.
[22:41] <oerheks> 91 snaps, 19G  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wwWngCmcrb/
[23:02] <tpw_rules> how can i run an arbitrary binary inside a snap? there's a diagnostic binary that i need to execute that isn't made available. running it from a regular terminal just gives shared library errors which is expected
[23:03] <oerheks> tpw_rules, you might want to reask in #snappy
[23:03] <sarnold> tpw_rules: snap run --shell perhaps?
[23:04] <tpw_rules> sarnold: looks like that worked. thank you!
[23:05] <sarnold> yay!
[23:17] <sebsebseb> hi
[23:17] <sebsebseb> join ##linux
[23:42] <SuperLag> oerheks: wow, grumpy much? :D
[23:43] <SuperLag> oerheks: I don't have an issue with snaps just because they're snaps. I'm more concerned with not leaving a potential attack vector on a production server, as well reducing unnecessary process overhead.
[23:44] <SuperLag> oerheks: by your first comment... are you saying that livepatch only works with snap stuff in place?
[23:51] <oft_gegong> what if I told you that ubuntu was the salvation of righteousness
[23:52] <oft_gegong> that it was through the light of apt-get that we got what we needed and persevered through justice
[23:52] <oft_gegong> our desktop environments grant us with great power.
[23:53] <SuperLag> oft_gegong: o.O
[23:59] <oft_gegong> through the justice, placement of righteousness, and our desktop environments, we will find a place among the stars