[12:39] <rmcd> The window can be moved by by clicking on the title-bar and dragging the mouse or from the menu on the titlebar select Move
[12:39] <rmcd> The window can be moved by by clicking on the title-bar and dragging the mouse or from the menu on the titlebar select Move
[12:39] <rmcd> Does not work when window is maximised
[12:39] <rmcd> From the manual
[12:50] <tomreyn> how would a maximized window move, it has nowhere to move to
[12:54] <oerheks> on gnome one can move maximised windows though
[12:54] <oerheks> * to a 2nd screen or desktop
[12:56] <tomreyn> hmm yes it automatically switches to windowed mode there when you do
[12:58] <oerheks> jups
[18:54] <faLUKE> hello, how can I install a font on Lubuntu? On Ubuntu I used fontmanager, but I can't find it on Lubuntu (I apt got "fontmanager.app" but I don't know how to run it)
[19:03] <faLUKE> solved: there's a font-manager pkg. I dunno what fontmanager.app is, anyway I trashed it
 same question it seems
 https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/how-to-install-fonts-in-lubuntu-20-04/1654 (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <faLUKE> hello, how can I install a font on Lubuntu? On Ubuntu I used fontmanager, but I can't find it on Lubuntu (I apt got "fontmanager.app" but I don't know how to run it))
[19:22] <oerheks> lubuntu fonts work the same as ubuntu fonts, see the wiki, in usr or in your home folder https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fonts
[19:44] <faLUKE> oerheks: I solved with font-manager
 👍 (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <faLUKE> oerheks: I solved with font-manager)


[00:18] <flocculant> bluesabre: so after some mucking about   - seems that bug 1622303 affects mainbuntu
[00:23] <flocculant> running out of patience to test elsewhere - studio can download their own 6 Tb iso - but I do have Mate and Looby Lou to check early tomorrow
[00:24] <flocculant> mentioned in -release now ;)
[00:35] <flocculant> anyway
[00:35] <flocculant> that aside got this 'issue' with partitions - not sure where to go from here on that one
[00:36] <flocculant> gparted refuses to see an extended, but lets me resize to include a whole drive
[00:37] <flocculant> a new live session sees the same thing - and agrees with a whole drive
[00:37] <flocculant> yakky yukky though is now seeing it the same ...
[00:37] <flocculant> wth
[00:38] <flocculant> giving up till at least 2017
[02:45] <flocculant> bluesabre: checked reboot from lokc/suspend on ubuntu/gnome/lubuntu - all work as expected
[02:45] <flocculant> suggest we go back to xscreensaver :p
[08:27] <ochosi> bluesabre: that xfce4-notifyd bug i cc'd you on should probably go into yakkety as a patch, it also applies to 0.2.4 and the bug can be observed with gnome software (and certainly more apps, which we probably dont ship by default)
[10:47] <knome> flocculant, mmh, yeah...
[11:10] <knome> flocculant, my only question is who can edit people's rows
[11:10] <knome> flocculant, anybody can edit anything? then we need at least a password, but then again, sharing that publicly defeats the purpose
[11:12] <knome> running again ->
[13:56] <sepisoad>  i am developing a c application which is crashing and I would like to get core dump of it upon crashing
[13:56] <sepisoad> I already set the ulimimit to unlimited
[13:56] <sepisoad> but there seems to be no core dump out there
[13:57] <sepisoad> or at least I cannot find it :(


[19:23] <sakrecoer[bpist]> i'm not at the computer and internet wont cooperate... gideon kick? geondeon kick? gideokick? whats the name of that awesome drum plug that us ahipped with ubustu?
[19:23] <sakrecoer[bpist]> s/us/is/, s/ahipped/shipped/
[20:25] <oerheks> Geonkick ?
[20:26] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/geonkick
 "Geonkick ?" <- yessss! thank you!


[06:56] <dholbach> good morning
[19:27] <PabloRubianes> wxl: hello I just saw you ping
[19:27] <PabloRubianes> do you still need help=?
[19:29] <wxl> hi PabloRubianes i sent an email to the council if that's what you mean
[19:29] <PabloRubianes> I saw a ping in here with the bot
[19:30] <PabloRubianes> i did not get any email :S
[19:30] <wxl> oh argh
[19:31] <wxl> sent to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>friday aug 1 929pm utc-7
[19:31] <wxl> subject: Ubuntu Oregon needs some love
[19:31] <PabloRubianes> checking
[19:34] <wxl> PabloRubianes: ping me if you figure it out XD
[19:34] <PabloRubianes> wxl: I looking but I can't find it
[19:34] <wxl> PabloRubianes: good golly i could paste the whole long thing here if that would be better?
[20:14] <jose> wxl: can you re-send it please?
[20:14] <wxl> jose: 1s
[20:15] <wxl> jose: btw i did communicate to PabloRubianes and he's answered all my needs except for one question
[20:15] <jose> wxl: you can PM me if you still need any help
[20:15] <wxl> re-sent
[20:15] <wxl> jose: just need to know about getting booth fees taken care of
[20:16] <jose> booth fees?
[20:16] <wxl> like if i wanted to have a booth for my loco at a local event
[20:16] <wxl> (in fact there's a linuxfest northwest coming up, but i'd like to have something at oscon next year too)
[20:18] <jose> I haven't got any emails on my inbox
[20:18] <wxl> that's some weird stuff
[20:18] <wxl> i could send it directly to you and i'm sure it would come through
[20:18] <jose> wxl: can you directly send ti to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:18] <jose> yeah
[20:20] <wxl> sent jose
[20:20] <jose> ok, let me quickly grab lunch and I'll get back to you
[20:20]  * jose is starving
[20:20] <wxl> ok just ping me
[20:37] <wxl> another thing: can anyone answer why the event tool asks for local time but then says it's utc? http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-or/2863-euglug-josh-marinacci-speaks-on-electron-ide-for-arduino-development/
[20:45] <jose> wxl: no idea on that one. reading your email nos
[20:45] <jose> now*
[20:45] <wxl> jose: know who to speak with about that
[20:45] <jose> ourselves
[20:45] <jose> I don't think you need to pay for booths
[20:45] <wxl> hhahahah
[20:45] <jose> I have never paid for a booth myself
[20:45] <wxl> oh okies
[20:46] <wxl> well i'll burn that bridge when i get to it then
[20:47] <wxl> bkerensa had mentioned it so i just assumed he knew what he was talking about
[20:47] <wxl> as far as the event thing being messed up time zone wise, who do i chat with about that?
[20:49] <jose> #ubuntu-website, ping daker or mhall119
[20:50] <daker> yo
[20:50] <wxl> daker: jose mentioned you as potentially being able to help with a website issue
[20:51] <daker> wxl: yes
[20:51] <wxl> daker: our team's time zone is set to pacific and when we enter an event we're instructed to use local time, but the end result shows that time as utc
[20:51] <wxl> daker: it doesn't convert it, but just shows utc at the end
[20:51] <daker> wxl: i see
[20:52] <wxl> daker: see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-or/2863-euglug-josh-marinacci-speaks-on-electron-ide-for-arduino-development/
[20:53] <daker> wxl: ok let me looking at another issue first
[20:53] <jose> daker: we're still waiting on the merge I told you about a couple days ago :)
[20:54] <daker> jose: that's the issue i am looking at it rightnow
[20:54] <jose> \o/
[20:59] <wxl> ping me when you get to it daker :)
[20:59] <daker> wxl: ok
[21:13] <mhall119> daker: wxl: it looks like it's using the venue's timezone, which is UTC
[21:13] <mhall119> that would be my guess anyway
[21:14] <wxl> mhall119: hm i added the venue and it didn't ask for a timezone that i remember
[21:14] <daker> i don't think since the team TZ is also UTC
[21:14] <wxl> oooh
[21:14] <wxl> my bad :)
[21:14] <wxl> fixed now
[21:14] <wxl> thanks for the insight mh
[21:14] <wxl> uh
[21:14] <wxl> mhall119:
[21:15] <mhall119> np
[21:15] <daker> and i remember someone has also reported that to me
[21:15] <wxl> i guess it's possible a loco could have an event in a different time zone
[21:15] <wxl> so it kind of makes sense
[21:15] <mhall119> yup
[21:15] <daker> wxl: try to set the TZ again to see it works
[21:16] <wxl> daker: diud it's fixed
[21:16] <daker> wxl: ok
[21:16] <wxl> it would be nice if the cms would say that local means local to the location
[21:16] <wxl> (when you're adding an event)
[21:16] <wxl> ok i think i got everything i need for now
[21:17] <wxl> thanks all :)
[21:17] <mhall119> happy to help
[21:17] <daker> yw
[21:44] <daker> jose: does the greek team have meetings in LTP ?
[21:44] <jose> daker: they used to in ubuntu-greek-users
[21:44] <jose> they changed LP names to ubuntu-gr and lost everything
[21:45] <daker> ok
[21:45] <daker> mhall119: can you please take a look at this https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/loco-team-portal/fix.1273491/+merge/229522
[22:24] <mhall119> daker: looks good, are there test cases for the meeting and feed merging?
[22:24] <daker> mhall119: their is no test cas for the merge functionality at all
[22:24] <daker> case
[22:25] <daker> i need to add that


[14:01] <mpt> faenil, I added the proposal to bug 1545118
[14:01] <ubot5`> bug 1545118 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) "can't easily grab scrollbar with mouse if dual column" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1545118
[14:07] <faenil> mpt: ok, I'll have a look in the next few days, whenever I manage to finish what I'm doing :/


[05:23] <jbailey> BenC, fabbione: Sparc install CD from last night has the ramdisk_size value set too small, please increase kthxbye
[05:52] <BenC> the kernel needs to set a higher default
[05:52] <BenC> tftp image wont boot without manually setting ramdisk_size either
[05:52] <BenC> which is a pain
[01:07] <jbailey> BenC: Awesome. 10 megs seemed to be enough here, but I don't know if there's a standard size that they should all just be set to.  16 or 20MB maybe?
[01:07] <jbailey> BenC: Do you change that at compile time, or is that something that needs to be tweaked elsewhere?
[06:15] <BenC> jbailey: it's a .config option
[09:09] <BenC> what created /lib/modules/`uname -r`/volatile ?
[10:14] <jbailey> l-r-m I think.
[10:15] <jbailey> I think that's where the boot-time compiled bits go.
[11:30] <BenC> jbailey: can you tell me if 16327 should be expected to be fixed already
[11:30] <BenC> ?


 Guys, why this happens:
 mount -o loop,rw uboot.img /tmp/mnt
 mount: mounting uboot.img on /tmp/mnt failed: Block device required
 Forwarded from lan219: Вроде и loop указал..
 Forwarded from lan219: И нифига
 Forwarded from lan219: Кста, в моей системе нет losetup - на заметку.
 Forwarded from lan219: Я с маршрутизатором вожусь
 Forwarded from lan219: В его системе
 Forwarded from lan219: Нет идей?
 For support please see https://lubuntu.me/links and note our options in Russian. We also have Russian available on https://discourse.lubuntu.me (re @lan219: Guys, why this happens:
 mount -o loop,rw uboot.img /tmp/mnt
 mount: mounting uboot.img on /tmp/mnt failed: Block device required)


[04:00] <carutsu> hello I've bought a HP nx7400
[04:02] <carutsu> it works mostly nice and doing what the site says i was able to fix almost all the issues (video ones actually), well i need o ask something, 1)How do i turn off bluetooth as it's bounded with the same key (most likelly design fault) but im sure i can turn it of by software, but how?, and 2)My sound buttons were detected fine and were working until i enabled XKB as i do need letters such as , but that turned out the keys, any solution?
[04:03] <carutsu> *with the same key as wireless card
[04:04] <carutsu> mmm, not support eh, not even  for laptop specific topics?


[16:00]  * stgraber waves
[16:00] <stgraber> #startmeeting Ubuntu Foundations team meeting
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Dec 18 16:00:21 2014 UTC.  The chair is stgraber. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:00] <stgraber> #topic Lightning round
[16:00] <stgraber> stgraber@dakara:~$ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek cjwatson caribou infinity mvo sil2100 robru)
[16:00] <stgraber> sil2100 slangasek bdmurray cjwatson barry mvo jodh doko infinity robru stgraber caribou
[16:00] <stgraber> sil2100 isn't on IRC and slangasek is off, so that's bdmurray's turn
[16:01] <bdmurray> errors updates: display message for devices that haven't reported a crash display retrace failure reason for a bucket speed up user=foundations-bugs for users subscribed to a lot of packages
[16:01] <bdmurray> daisy updates: landed --nouse-sandbox daisy retracer option for testing speediness added retracer.py options to wipe sandbox and cache directories after each retrace
[16:01] <bdmurray> modified javascript to prevent loading most-common-problems API query multiple times
[16:01] <bdmurray> merged thedac's changes to daisy-retracer charm to hold packages (x2)
[16:01] <bdmurray> uploaded packages to vivid to get ddebs for all architectures
[16:01] <bdmurray> merged fix for ubuntu-release-upgrader / update-manager bug LP: #1399916
[16:01] <bdmurray> uploaded whoopsie fixing bugs LP: #1397340, LP: #1392412
[16:01] <bdmurray> updated apport check-contents-server-age merge proposal based off pitti's feedback
[16:01] <bdmurray> review of halted phased updates and overrode false positives
[16:02] <bdmurray> submitted ubuntu-archive-tools mp with sru-review changes for ubuntu-sponsors
[16:02] <bdmurray> pinged tseliot about bug LP: #1401390
[16:02] <bdmurray> working with webops to test retracer changes to improve time to retrace in scaling stack
[16:02] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[16:02] <cjwatson> 50% on holiday since last meeting.  New mattress and happier back!
[16:02] <cjwatson> Ran Mathieu through the process of gfxboot-theme-ubuntu translation updates.
[16:02] <cjwatson> Finished off changes to component-mismatches to categorise output by teams.  Should be generalisable to other reports without too ridiculous an amount of work.
[16:02] <cjwatson> Helped out with ubuntu-touch-meta fix/workaround for bug 1399597.
[16:02] <cjwatson> Rescued bits of cdimage crontab after some of it was lost by mistake yesterday.
[16:02] <cjwatson> Worked on making update_excuses.html a bit friendlier by way of bug 1403849.
[16:02] <cjwatson> Went through and closed ~120 browser tabs and unassigned myself from ~60 bug tasks.  See you next year from the Launchpad team!
[16:02] <cjwatson> ..
[16:03] <doko> "happy" new year :-/
[16:05] <stgraber> barry and mvo don't seem to be around, so that's doko then
[16:05] <stgraber> or jodh
[16:05] <cjwatson> isn't jodh around?  yeah
[16:06] <jodh> * working on ubuntu core.
[16:06] <jodh> ᐔ
[16:06] <stgraber> ah, there he is, just wasn't on mumble :)
[16:06] <doko> - still working on the ISL 0.14 transition
[16:06] <doko> - I think there is too much deadlock here waiting on things ...
[16:06] <doko> - GCC 5 packaging updates
[16:06] <doko> - some MIR's
[16:06] <doko> - preparing for GCC 4.8.4
[16:06] <doko> - address SRU icedtea-web regression
[16:06] <doko> - trying to get my INBOX better organized
[16:06] <doko> (done)
[16:07] <infinity> * emergency kernel SRU wrangling
[16:07] <infinity> * helped out cyphermox with some armhf alignment issues
[16:07] <infinity> * worked on IBM RAS package updates
[16:07] <infinity> * general AA and SRU tasks
[16:07] <infinity> * worked on dpkg trigger loop bug with guillem
[16:07] <infinity> * discussion and planning for a thing I can't talk about yet
[16:07] <infinity> (done)
[16:07] <stgraber> robru:
[16:10] <stgraber> alright, no robru apparently
[16:10] <stgraber> At the snappy sprint in CPT last week, back home on Monday evening.
[16:10] <stgraber> Alpha-1 prep work on Tuesday, some LXD code reviews, organizing a LXD sprint.
[16:10] <stgraber> Off on Wednesday.
[16:10] <stgraber> More alpha-1 and travel organization today.
[16:10] <stgraber> (DONE)
[16:10] <caribou> Misc bug hunting :
[16:10] <caribou> * iscsi boot
[16:10] <caribou> * diskless NFS boot
[16:10] <caribou> * CUPS env variable overriding
[16:11] <caribou> (done)
[16:11] <stgraber> I don't suppose anyone has something that they'd want to present to the team?
[16:11] <caribou> My best wishes for the upcoming new year ?
[16:11] <infinity> This basket of puppies.
[16:12] <stgraber> :)
[16:12] <stgraber> #topic AOB
[16:12] <doko> 30% of open positions  in the new year?
[16:12] <stgraber> so I guess it's time to wish everyone a merry christmas, happy new year, ... and see you all at some point in 2015!
[16:13] <caribou> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9561433/
[16:13] <doko> well, would like to see
[16:13] <caribou> from Mr cking expertise
[16:13] <stgraber> :)
[16:14]  * cjwatson waves, good luck to you all
[16:14] <infinity> caribou: Do I want to compile that?
[16:14] <cking> caribou, this one is better: http://smackerelofopinion.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/infinite-snowflake.html
[16:14] <caribou> infinity: sure, you'll get a nice song out of it
[16:15] <caribou> cking: yeah, I saw your post, didn't get to compile this one yet
[16:15] <cjwatson> incidentally I dug out the mail, we've been called "Foundations" since August 2008
[16:16] <cking> caribou, or this one https://pastebin.canonical.com/122595/
[16:16] <cjwatson> and the distro team split into platform (now foundations) and desktop in December 2006
[16:17] <cjwatson> so it's been about that long
[16:18] <stgraber> sounds like that's it for this meeting then, thanks everyone!
[16:18] <stgraber> #endmeeting
[16:18] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Dec 18 16:18:54 2014 UTC.
[16:18] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-12-18-16.00.moin.txt
[17:01] <dholbach> hello
[17:02] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:02] <GunnarHj> hi
[17:03] <dholbach> I had to restart my computer... did somebody start the meeting already?
[17:03] <mhall119> o/
[17:03] <mhall119> dholbach: nobody has started it yet
[17:03] <dholbach> ah ok
[17:03] <dholbach> thanks
[17:03] <dholbach> #startmeeting
[17:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Dec 18 17:03:51 2014 UTC.  The chair is dholbach. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:03] <dholbach> #chair mhall119 czajkowski elfy cprofitt
[17:03] <meetingology> Current chairs: cprofitt czajkowski dholbach elfy mhall119
[17:04] <dholbach> pleia2 sent apologies
[17:04] <dholbach> hello GunnarHj - thanks a lot for joining
[17:04] <elfy> o/
[17:04] <dholbach> today we're meeting up with the Translations Team and the Ubuntu GNOME team
[17:05] <dholbach> #topic Catching up with the Translations team
[17:05] <dholbach> GunnarHj, you're here for the translations team?
[17:05] <GunnarHj> dholbach: Yes. Doing some translating coordination.
[17:05] <elfy> hi GunnarHj
[17:05] <dholbach> excellent
[17:05] <GunnarHj> elfy: Hi
[17:05] <dholbach> anyone here from the translations folks?
[17:06] <dholbach> GunnarHj, how are things going? what is the overall stand of things?
[17:07] <GunnarHj> dholbach: Well, there is one thing I'd like to mention.
[17:07] <GunnarHj> dpm used to be an active translation coordinator from the Canonical side. AFAIK he has other commitments now, and nobody has really replaced him in that role.
[17:08] <GunnarHj> The leader of the Swedish translators team mentioned this the other day.
[17:08] <GunnarHj> The result is that there is a lack of drive in order to get translation related bugs fixed etc.
[17:09] <dholbach> Which of his responsibilities do you see missing most today?
[17:09] <GunnarHj> dholbach: Pushing for translation related bugs to be fixed.
[17:09] <dholbach> "drive" could mean a couple of things, like "recruit new translators" or "keep on top of bugs and ping the individual teams", or is it something entirely different?
[17:10] <dholbach> right
[17:10] <GunnarHj> dholbach: Mostly "keep on top of..."
[17:10] <dholbach> is this bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations?
[17:10] <mhall119> dholbach: sounds like we need to talk to him about handing over some of that to another of us on the team
[17:10]  * mhall119 not it
[17:10] <mhall119> :)
[17:10] <dholbach> nice one
[17:10] <dholbach> maybe somebody who's not around right now? :)
[17:11] <GunnarHj> dholbach: Yes, it's bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations I'm talking about.
[17:11] <dholbach> but more seriously though, I agree that this is important
[17:11] <mhall119> dholbach: +1, one of those slackers on holiday already
[17:12] <mhall119> yeah, we'll get dpm to gracefully hand that over if he can't continue doing it
[17:12] <dholbach> mhall119, I think this was years ago
[17:13] <dholbach> so not something that changed recently
[17:13] <mhall119> it probably changed more when he took over jono's tasks
[17:13] <GunnarHj> dholbach: It was, but at the same time dpm has been deeply involved in getting translations into the phone.
[17:13] <dholbach> mhall119, I don't think so
[17:14] <dholbach> GunnarHj, ok
[17:14] <mhall119> either way, we'll talk to him and get a resolution
[17:14] <GunnarHj> Great!
[17:14] <dholbach> GunnarHj, do the translations coordinators meet every now and then to discuss issues like the above?
[17:15] <GunnarHj> dholbach: No. I'm the latest team member, and have never attended any such meeting.
[17:15] <dholbach> and do most of the leaders of the individual translations teams read their bug mail? (so would subscribing them to the bugs work?)
[17:15] <dholbach> GunnarHj, I see
[17:16] <GunnarHj> dholbach: All team leaderas are supposed to be subscribed to ubuntu-translators.
[17:16] <dholbach> maybe it'd be time to recruit some of the more active team leads into the coordination team?
[17:16] <dholbach> GunnarHj, ah, that's a mailing list where the bug mail goes?
[17:16] <GunnarHj> dholbach: When a t-bug is assigned a team, somebody usually takes care of it.
[17:17] <dholbach> ok, that's great to hear
[17:17] <GunnarHj> dholbach: No, that's a info type mailing list.
[17:17] <dholbach> so it's mostly about going through the list of unassigned bugs
[17:18] <GunnarHj> dholbach: There are two kinds of bugs: Pure translation bugs (handled by the translators) and package bugs affecting translations. It's the latter kind which is the problem.
[17:18] <dholbach> I see
[17:18] <dholbach> do they get a special tag or something which makes it clearer that it's not a pure translation thing?
[17:19] <GunnarHj> dholbach: A proper task is added - if somebody knows which package is affected...
[17:20] <dholbach> ok... maybe I'm drilling too much into the organisational parts of the problem right now
[17:20] <dholbach> maybe a team of interested folks could set up kind of a dashboard or something, to figure out which bugs are unassigned, etc
[17:21] <dholbach> I feel that having a team of coordinators again would also help a lot
[17:21] <GunnarHj> dholbach: Yeah... the mailing list I mentioned is occationally used for that purpose.
[17:21] <dholbach> so this doesn't just rest with your
[17:21] <dholbach> you
[17:22] <GunnarHj> dholbach: Right, that responsibility is to heave for a simple volunteer like me. ;)
[17:22] <dholbach> I just thought that having a number of interested people meet up every now and then would also help, so you could have a look at tasks like "assign bugs" and so on
[17:22] <GunnarHj> s/heave/heavy/
[17:22] <dholbach> and maybe rotate some of the responsibilities as well
[17:22] <GunnarHj> Wort considering IMO.
[17:23] <dholbach> GunnarHj, if you could send the Community Council a mail and CC dpm that'd be good - we should look into this and see if we can help setting up a team again
[17:23] <dholbach> translations are super important
[17:23] <dholbach> it's the window through which most people of the world see Ubuntu
[17:23] <GunnarHj> dholbach: Ok, will do.
[17:23] <dholbach> so we should try to organise this a bit better
[17:23] <dholbach> thanks a lot GunnarHj
[17:23] <mhall119> +1 what dholbach said
[17:24] <dholbach> and thanks a lot for all your hard work throughout the years
[17:24] <mhall119> thanks GunnarHj
[17:24] <dholbach> it's great to have you around!
[17:24] <GunnarHj> np
[17:24] <dholbach> GunnarHj, anything else you would like to mention now before we move over to mail?
[17:24] <GunnarHj> No, I'm done for today. :)
[17:24] <dholbach> czajkowski, cprofitt, mhall119: any more questions from you?
[17:25] <dholbach> ACTION: GunnarHj to mail CC and dpm to figure out translations coordinator team organisation.
[17:25] <dholbach> OK, looks like everyone else is good as well - moving on. :-)
[17:25] <dholbach> Do we have anyone here from the Ubuntu GNOME team
[17:25] <dholbach> ?
[17:26] <dholbach> I can't quite remember, but wasn't most of the team in AU somewhere?
[17:26] <elfy> both amjjawad and tim are in oz timezone - so unless someone else is here I would doubt it
[17:26] <elfy> yep
[17:26] <dholbach> ok, then we should probably reschedule :)
[17:27] <mhall119> dholbach: none from me
[17:27] <elfy> they were trying to sort a time suitable for both :)
[17:27] <dholbach> ok
[17:27] <dholbach> let's move on then
[17:28] <dholbach> pleia2 added another agenda item
[17:28] <dholbach> #topic Open ubuntu-community-team threads
[17:28] <dholbach> the comment said: Help the team continue to define work items in order to move forward.
[17:29] <dholbach> elfy, mhall119, czajkowski: ^ got any comments?
[17:29] <mhall119> I know some of the items in the etherpad were added by someone other that the proposer
[17:30] <mhall119> so if the people who proposed solutions can go through it and provide detailed work items for the things they proposed, that would help us
[17:30] <elfy> yep
[17:30] <mhall119> and assign themselves to the ones they can do
[17:30] <mhall119> unassigned work items don't get done
[17:30] <dholbach> I could send a mail to the list explaining this?
[17:31] <mhall119> that might help, yeah
[17:31] <elfy> pleia2's point was about helping with blueprints - but they're pointless until the tasks have people willing to do anything
[17:31] <elfy> dholbach: yep - sounds useful
[17:31] <mhall119> dholbach: just remind people that if they want a work item done, they either need to take it on themselves or find someone to assign it to who can/will do it
[17:32] <dholbach> ok... should I recommend that people add work items to the pad and people add their names next to the subject they're interested in?
[17:32] <mhall119> yeah, they can be easily converted into a blueprint from there
[17:32] <elfy> and/or add their name to existing nameless ones
[17:33] <elfy> otherwise we're just going to end up with another long pad repeating things again
[17:33] <dholbach> sure
[17:33] <dholbach> sorry, that's what I meant
[17:33] <dholbach> ok, I'll send the mail after the meeting
[17:34] <dholbach> I'm not sure... is there anything concrete, we as the Community Council, could be doing in this meeting now?
[17:34] <dholbach> http://pad.ubuntu.com/LeadershipActions looks quite cleaned up right now
[17:38] <dholbach> ok, while waiting I just wrote the mail :)
[17:39] <dholbach> elfy, mhall119: anything else from you now?
[17:39] <dholbach> or shall we adjourn=?
[17:39] <mhall119> not from me
[17:40] <dholbach> Ok... thanks a lot everyone for attending!
[17:40] <mhall119> anything other topics people in the channel want to discuss with the CC?
[17:40] <dholbach> #topic Any other business
[17:41] <mhall119> seems not
[17:41] <dholbach> All right... thanks a lot everyone!
[17:41] <dholbach> #endmeeting
[17:42] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Dec 18 17:41:59 2014 UTC.
[17:42] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-12-18-17.03.moin.txt
[17:42] <mhall119> thanks everyone for attending
[17:42] <mhall119> thanks dholbach for running this meeting
[17:42] <dholbach> no worries :)


[19:29] <seattlegaucho> meonkeys: keep going w/ the number of 'v' ;)
[20:14] <meonkeys> seattlegaucho: yep, that's what the ellipses was for.
[20:19] <seattlegaucho> :)
[20:24] <cj> man.  my IPv6 feed is not awesome.
[21:42] <seattlegaucho> I just got my 1st natty crash and my 1st natty pet peeve
[21:44] <valorie> what's the peeve?
[21:44] <valorie> I don't think I've gotten a crash yet -- except plasma
[21:44] <valorie> which just comes right back
[21:44] <valorie> using kub.
[21:49] <Uber_Geek> I had to go back to 10.10 on my netbook, as Unity (Yech) , Gnome 3, and KDE Plasma were very laggy and didn't perform as well.  :(\
[21:51] <valorie> well, I had to go to Xrender for plasma
[21:51] <valorie> gles or whatever was a problem
[21:51] <valorie> and turning off effects means no lag at all
[21:52] <valorie> I don't like most effects anyway
[21:52] <Uber_Geek> what is the point of having a flashy interface if you have to turn the flashness off?
[21:53] <Uber_Geek> flashness = flashiness.
[21:53] <Uber_Geek> lol
[21:55] <seattlegaucho_> valorie: when I resize a konsole window in front of firefox 4 ... the whole display freezes
[21:55] <seattlegaucho_> ssh-ing into the box and restarting kdm didn't help
[21:56] <Uber_Geek> did alt-sysrq-K  or ctrl-alt-backspace help?
[21:56] <Uber_Geek> pry a lame question though
[21:59] <valorie> ah, I heard of a few people with that bug
[21:59] <valorie> rather severe
[21:59] <valorie> including one developer
[21:59] <valorie> whether or not it's been fixed, I don't know
[21:59] <valorie> so far, the only bug I've run across is that flash keeps being wrecked
[21:59] <valorie> I finally got flash-aid
[21:59] <valorie> which seems to fix that
[22:00] <valorie> and weird one: I can no longer right-click in FF
[22:00] <valorie> like to open a link in another tab
[22:00] <valorie> I'm considering going back to rekonq
[22:00] <valorie> oddly, I seem to be one of the few people with this bug
[22:10] <seattlegaucho> valorie: nailed my bug and it's a showstopper
[22:10] <seattlegaucho> resizing konsole makes the window manager a zombie!
[22:10] <seattlegaucho> can't live w/o resizing terminals >(
[22:10]  * seattlegaucho is *pissed*
[22:13] <valorie> have you searched the bug tracker?
[22:13] <seattlegaucho> https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/23381
[22:13] <valorie> I haven't heard any recent complaints, so I wonder if the fix has been backported
[22:15] <valorie> looks like the fix is in, according to that bug thread
[22:15] <valorie> also: #ubuntu-kernel is very helpful
[22:15] <valorie> they helped me fix my missing mic on this laptop, and an early bug where the headphone jack didn't work
[22:16] <seattlegaucho> it was fixed last monday! ... not sure it made it out to the repos
[22:16] <valorie> kernel patch
[22:16] <valorie> I've never done anything like that before
[22:16] <valorie> they were awesome
[22:19] <seattlegaucho> ... but ... but ... argh!
[22:22] <valorie> argh, indeed!
[22:22] <valorie> bugs suck
[22:29] <seattlegaucho> especially when I need it to do some real work I got interrupted in the middle 'cause of the bug
[22:30] <seattlegaucho> now my add ridden brain can' t decide whether to fix the issue or keep working with some odd work around
[22:31]  * valorie advises fixing
[22:31] <valorie> workarounds take longer and are more annoying long-term
[22:31] <valorie> take the rock out of your shoe!
[22:32] <seattlegaucho> ... for now ... disabling effects and it works
[22:33] <seattlegaucho> remove shoes ... worry about shoe nail before wearing shoes again :)
[22:36] <valorie> heh
[23:00] <meonkeys> anyone in here using bitcoins?


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[00:27] <cjwatson> NCommander: it's the base-passwd maintainer you need to ask (aka me :-)), not base-files
[00:27] <NCommander> ack
[00:27]  * NCommander hides from cjwatson's all mightly passwd-foo
[00:27] <cjwatson> I get about one mail every couple of months asking for new static assignments, I think
[00:28] <cjwatson> I probably accept about half of them, and advise the rest that they can use dynamic ids instead
[00:28] <NCommander> cjwatson, the question was for NM, not because I was packaging anything ;-)
[00:28] <cjwatson> so a homework question, you mean? ;-)
[05:42] <TheMuso> slangasek: ardour already had an upload done for that, but ardour FTBF for crazy scons reasons.
[05:42] <TheMuso> FTBFs
[06:33] <slangasek> TheMuso: hrm; I didn't notice that it was out of date on all archs :/
[06:35] <slangasek> TheMuso: so, how do we fix it to not use scons? :-)
[06:35] <TheMuso> slangasek: Yeah, persia previsouly did an upload for that same thing, but it FTBFs, which we are still trying to work out.
[06:35] <TheMuso> slangasek: Rewrite the build system for the package? :)
[06:36]  * TheMuso notes that it used to use autoconf, but that was a few years ago.
[06:39] <TheMuso> slangasek: I was pondering simply not using scons for the install, but scons still builds important package files in that state, such as translation files etc, which IMO really should be done in the build stage. So I am not sure where to go from here atht emoment.
[06:40] <slangasek> I still like "replace the build system" better than the alternatives :-P
[06:41] <TheMuso> slangasek: So do I, but I don't think thats realistic before beta.
[06:41] <slangasek> pitti: when you say hal has "tons of fdi files"... were are they?  I only see vendor-specific laptop fdi files for macbooks and dells
[06:41] <slangasek> s/were/where/
[06:55] <slangasek> pitti: oh, perhaps they're all in the hal-info package
[07:14] <slangasek> TheMuso: so I might've tred to switch it over to autotools, except a 1400-line SConstruct file makes me weep
[07:14] <slangasek> TheMuso: "tried"
[07:15] <StevenK> slangasek: The fdi files could be in hal-info?
[07:15] <slangasek> StevenK: yes, I noticed. :)
[07:16] <StevenK> Heh
[09:51] <rom1v> hi
[09:51] <rom1v> in intrepid alpha 6, the version of pulseaudio is :  0.9.10-2ubuntu3
[09:52] <rom1v> do you plan to upgrade to 0.9.11 or 0.9.12?
[09:52] <rom1v> for intrepid final?
[09:52] <rom1v> http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/364 (a bug corrected on .11 or .12)
[11:19] <torkel> rom1v: If you want to test pulseaudio 0.9.12 see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-September/026470.html
[12:28] <TheMuso> rom1v: We will be sticking with 0.9.10. Too many users with issues with either 0.9.11 or 0.9.12, including myself.
[12:29] <Treenaks> TheMuso: you'll get a lot of grief from the allcaps('but the latest version is always the bestest') crowds
[13:26] <pecisk> why NetworkManager is left alone without network-admin? So far it's config guis and functionality is huge regression
[13:35] <ogra> njpatel, do you thnk bug 269150 can be fixed before intrepid ? (i'd nominate it for the release then)
[13:36] <ogra> (so it shows up on the relese managers radar)
[13:36] <njpatel> ogra: yeah, i'll try and get it done tomorrow/tuesday. Didn't get a chance last week
[13:37] <ogra> no hurry, if we make it critical for release applying fixes wont be blocked at least
[13:38] <ogra> pecisk, what do you not like about the new UI for setting up static IPs etc ... i think its far more advanced
[13:39] <ogra> (and offers a lot more options network-admin didnt even tak into account)
[13:39] <ogra> *take
[13:39] <pecisk> ogra: but that is not what I need
[13:39] <ogra> ??
[13:39] <pecisk> I don't need advance side of it
[13:39] <pecisk> it is overblown
[13:39] <pecisk> haotic
[13:39] <pecisk> it never appealed me
[13:40] <pecisk> I don't know guys, but you need a beter consulation with real users of Ubuntu before making decisions like that
[13:40] <pecisk> because Ubuntu isn't used by geeks anymore
[13:40] <ogra> the two dont work properly together
[13:40] <ogra> and having the manual configuration in the same UI is easier to understand imho
[13:41] <pecisk> ogra: it isn't easier
[13:41] <pecisk> you tried to do it?
[13:41] <ogra> i agree thats its harder to find since oyu need to right click to reach it
[13:41] <pecisk> not only
[13:41] <pecisk> better was to fix network-admin and leave NM for what it is good at - switching connections and easy wifi connecting
[13:41] <ogra> i disagree
[13:42] <ogra> (as well as the UI design team does afaik)
[13:42] <pecisk> well, I haven't heard any public disscusion or read decisions about this
[13:42] <ogra> though i see your point, it seems to offer an 802.11 security tab for wider here
[13:42] <ogra> *wired
[13:42] <ogra> that shouldnt be shown for cards not being able to use it
[13:43] <ogra> but i really dont see much difference in the IPv4 settings if i compare to network-dmin
[13:43] <ogra> *admin
[13:44] <ogra> well, what do you need a public discussion for ? upstream drops network-admin in favor of the new stuff
[13:44] <ogra> so whats the point in keeping obsolete stuff around ?
[13:45] <pecisk> ok, not a public discussion
[13:45] <pecisk> can I read what was basis of such decision?
[13:45] <ogra> ikely on some gnome upstream ML
[13:45] <ogra> *likely
[13:45] <pecisk> propblem is that NetworkManager is written "PulseAudio" all over again
[13:46] <ogra> the upstream plan is to have all network handling centralized afaik
[13:46] <ogra> ???
[13:46] <pecisk> it is broking things which shouldn't be touched with 10 foot pole if you have really good reason to do so
[13:46] <pecisk> well, then NM isn't that tool to centralize to
[13:47] <pecisk> sorry about being harsh, but I was really upset about this
[13:47] <pecisk> I deploy Ubuntu to users in every day basis and this affects me
[13:47] <ogra> i didnt make that decision, but i see it working with DSL, wider, wireless and 3G connections
[13:48] <ogra> s/wider/wired
[13:48] <ogra> what is missing in your opinion ?
[13:48] <pecisk> NM configuration dialogs are not up to their jobs
[13:49] <ogra> (i missed VPN above, but i dont have any VPN to test that setup)
[13:49] <pecisk> for now
[13:49] <pecisk> it can be fixed, to be sure
[13:49] <ogra> they are not different to network-admin
[13:49] <pecisk> they are very different
[13:49] <pecisk> there are no profile switching, for example
[13:49] <ogra> i dont see any difference between the n-a and n-m dialogs for ipv4 wired settigs at all actually
[13:50] <pecisk> network-admin gui was very simplified and actually was done right. NM looks like all features have exposure on GUI, which is huge no no
[13:50] <pecisk> you don't, user will see
[13:50] <Treenaks> pecisk: It's not a no-no if it's the only way to configure
[13:50] <ogra> i have them both open side by side here
[13:50] <Treenaks> pecisk: some things HAVE to be configured
[13:50] <ogra> there is only a "routes" button added to the n-m dialog
[13:51] <ogra> apart from that they are 100% identical
[13:52] <ogra> and i see it as an improvement that you now finally have a gui way to configure DSL
[13:52] <pecisk> Treenaks: at least have some sections for Advanced stuff then
[13:52] <ogra> which n-a didnt offer at all
[13:53] <ogra> same goes for 3G modems connections
[13:53] <pecisk> if you have to configure DSL, then it is really something wrong with system
[13:53] <pecisk> ok
[13:53] <pecisk> anyway
[13:54] <pecisk> ogra: I am all about additional functionality, but let's not destroy old one
[13:54] <Treenaks> pecisk: Uhr.. PPPoE DSL won't configure itself
[13:54] <pecisk> ok, I stand corrected then
[13:54] <ogra> yeah, i was about to ask pecisk how he would use DSL without configuration :)
[13:55] <ogra> most of the 5 protocols used over the world wont work without configuration
[13:55] <pecisk> anyway, I am really happy about NM functionality, and propably Ibex is right time to switch on it, but I would like to see huge improvements in configuration, because I really miss old stuff
[13:55] <pecisk> that's all
[13:55] <ogra> file bugs ;)
[13:55] <ogra> its not to late for fixes
[13:56] <ogra> i agree that the menu option should be in the left and not the right click menu for example
[13:56] <ogra> so its easier to reach
[13:57] <pecisk> it should be in System => Administration too
[13:57] <pecisk> :)
[13:57] <pecisk> maybe it is now, I haven't touched Ibex for two weeks
[13:57] <ogra> well, it requires NM to run
[13:57] <pecisk> uhh ohh
[13:58]  * RainCT asks from his ignorancy: does NM work if I don't use gnome-panel? :P
[13:58] <ogra> so i'm not sure it would work in System => Administration if you dont at least have the dbus backend in place
[13:58] <ogra> RainCT, sure
[13:58] <pecisk> nm is independent
[13:58] <ogra> the applet needs any kind of systray though
[13:58] <pecisk> nm-applet is what you see in gnome-panel
[13:59] <ogra> which also pypanel, xfce panel and kde offer
[13:59] <pecisk> ogra: well, that's not right, but I hope they will change it
[13:59] <pecisk> ogra: I about NM must run when you use configure dialog
[14:00] <ogra> well, to change the config the toool writing the config must run
[14:00] <RainCT> alright, thanks :)
[14:11] <ldng> Just in case someone care as it broke the bulletproof X : Bug #272755: X broken by missing xf86GetPciDomain function in DRI module
[14:15] <jcristau> ldng: attaching plain text files is way better than random tarballs...
[14:21] <ldng> jcristau: ok, sorry
[14:22] <ldng> if I can help let me know
[14:24] <ldng> yet the first attachment is a tar created by the failsafe session, I've just compress it; For my information, does launchpad untar automatically them ?
[14:28] <jcristau> ldng: looks like you have leftover crap from fglrx
[14:35] <ldng> jcristau: hum, I didn't see that, I'll purge it to see if it solves something
[14:45] <ldng> jcristau: indeed it solved it. I didn't think just having it around but not in use could affect the whole X. Should I change the status to invalid in your opinion ?
[18:54] <superm1> tseliot, thanks for the patch, i've uploaded it
[19:37] <tseliot> superm1: thanks for the upload ;)
[21:48] <seanh> Hey, does anyone know a good little web server I can install on my laptop for web development (python, cgi)? I don't really want to install something like apache. I'm thinking more along the lines of the convenient development servers that frameworks like django come with, where you just run the server in a terminal not even as root, and just kill the process when you're done
[21:49] <Nafallo> seanh: hi. this channel is not for support. you might want to try your luck in #ubuntu :-)
[21:50] <seanh> Yeah I know, sorry. I thought this question probably too difficult for #ubuntu, but developers may be able to answer it. Perhaps I wanted the devel-discuss channel
[22:04] <oni> hi
[22:08] <oni> hi
[22:09] <oni> where can i send a displayhotplug script to
[22:13] <Keybuk> a what?
[22:14] <oni> a little script that polls the connection of displays and run commands when connect and disconnect
[22:16] <oni> for example to activate dualhead when two displays are connected
[22:16] <Keybuk> why poll?
[22:17] <Keybuk> you get events for that kind of thing, and the X server handles it
[22:18] <oni> but why is there no programm that uses this events
[22:18] <Keybuk> X does
[22:19] <Keybuk> if you plug in a display, and run xrandr, you'll see that it has noticed the new display
[22:19] <jcristau> it only notices because you ran xrandr
[22:19] <oni> i think so too
[22:20] <jcristau> but still, don't poll
[22:20] <Keybuk> jcristau: I do not believe that is true
[22:21] <oni> jcristau: better ideas?
[22:22] <Keybuk> jcristau: the xrandr tool simply queries the currently known outputs
[22:22] <Keybuk> it's true that you have to run xrandr --auto to *configure* outputs
[22:22] <Keybuk> (or xrandr --output VGA --mode ...)
[22:23] <jcristau> Keybuk: no, plain xrandr does all the load detection and probing
[22:23] <Keybuk> but I'm pretty sure (and could be wrong :p) that X does the detection
[22:23] <Keybuk> jcristau: do you have a reference for that?  because I'm reading the source ...
[22:23] <sebner> Keybuk: hey :) short question. why did you tell me that it's better to use a 32bit ubuntu also with 4gb ram?
[22:24] <Keybuk> sebner: ?
[22:24] <sebner> Keybuk: yeah, you told me that while you helped me with a usb/boot problem, remember?
[22:24] <Keybuk> nope
[22:25] <sebner> Keybuk: nope = you can't remember or you didn't tell me that ^^
[22:25] <Keybuk> sebner: can't remember saying that
[22:25] <Keybuk> I generally recommend 32-bit
[22:25] <Keybuk> you may not have mentioned the 4GB of RAM bit
[22:26] <sebner> Keybuk: ah I asked you if it's a problem to use 32bit with 4gb since only 3 are really used
[22:26] <Keybuk> well, it's not a problem :)
[22:26] <sebner> Keybuk: but in case of 4gb you recommend 64bit version, right?
[22:27] <jcristau> Keybuk: ProcRRGetScreenResources calls RRGetInfo, which calls into the driver's probe functions
[22:27] <Keybuk> sebner: if you want to use the 4gb
[22:27] <Keybuk> jcristau: but xrandr doesn't call that?
[22:27] <jcristau> Keybuk: and the first thing xrandr does is XRRGetScreenResources
[22:27] <Keybuk> oh, yes it does
[22:28] <Keybuk> fair enough ;)
[22:28]  * Keybuk stands corrected
[22:28] <sebner> Keybuk: now is the question if I care about this 1 missing GB or I care because I *have* 4 gb
[22:28] <Keybuk> sebner: ?
[22:29] <jcristau> oni: have the user press some key
[22:29] <sebner> Keybuk: if I have 4gb this doesn't mean that I have to use the 64bit version because of this
[22:29] <Keybuk> sebner: I don't understand what you mean, sorry
[22:29] <Keybuk> sebner: you don't have to, no
[22:29] <oni> no it is hotpulg
[22:30] <Keybuk> sebner: you don't _have_ to do anything ;)
[22:30] <Keybuk> the 32-bit version will still boot, it just won't use all your ram
[22:31] <sebner> Keybuk: I know but I still can't decide if I should use 32bit or 64bit. Do I need only the 3gb ram (sure) or should I use the 64bit version just because I *have* 4gb :)
[22:31] <Keybuk> 64-bit may be faster for some operations, and may be slower for others
[22:31] <Keybuk> programs use more memory in 64-bit
[22:32] <Keybuk> proprietary software (ie. flash) generally fails to work
[22:32] <sebner> Keybuk: ah I forgot. Ok then the 32 bit versino :)
[22:32] <sebner> *version
[22:32] <Keybuk> I'm unsure what the general wisdom is about 64-bit on Intel Core 2
[22:33]  * Laney runs it
[22:33] <sebner> Keybuk: and sorry, I didn't want to confuse you but if I use the 32 bit version I somehow *Waste* 1 gb because it doesn't appear that was the thing that made me thinking
[22:33] <Keybuk> On AMD64, it certainly seems to make a big improvement on speed
[22:33] <Keybuk> sebner: well, you'll have 1GB less addressable memory
[22:33] <Keybuk> but all your programs will be roughly half the size ;)
[22:34] <sebner> I know ^^ .. but it's still a waste =) I'll build the pc by myself. maybe I should only buy 3gb but 4 sounds better :P
[22:34]  * Keybuk runs 32-bit on his core 2, but 64-bit on his amd64
[22:34] <Keybuk> I think the former was simply which disk I had to hand at the time :p
[22:35] <sebner> Keybuk: It will be a quadcore :D
[22:35] <Keybuk> hmm, at that point I think there are other 64-bit features you might want
[22:36] <sebner> Keybuk: well, the pc is for my parents and they would also be happy with a single core ^^^
[22:36] <Keybuk> you give your parents a quad core machine with 4GB of RAM?!
[22:36] <Keybuk> I give mine the address of Dell's website and tell them to buy something cheap
[22:36] <sebner> Keybuk: sure. Very cheap that stuff at the moment and ok for the next 3-4 years
[22:37] <sebner> Keybuk: the pc won't cost more than 400-500€ ;)
[22:37] <Keybuk> Keybuk's 42nd rule of technology: the average lifetime of hardware is roughly half that it was expected to last
[22:38] <sebner> Keybuk: I also want my parents to be "cool" :P
[22:39] <Keybuk> you'll end up doing tech support for them
[22:39] <sebner> Keybuk: I'm doing tech support since years (windows xp) ;) and I *really* think with ubuntu it'll become less :D
[22:41] <Keybuk> ubuntu as well? :)  brave man!
[22:41] <sebner> Keybuk: of course. Otherwise I wouldn't ask :P
[22:42] <sebner> Keybuk: and btw, what does make a quadcore and 4gb ram sense with windows xp? (vista ... no ... really)
[22:43] <Keybuk> sure
[22:43] <sebner> Keybuk: I still don't know if I should buy now 4gb or only 3 ^^
[22:44] <ion_> My dad’s computer uses my puppetmaster just like all my computers, so i can do some configuration without even having to visit them. :-) Not that i don’t mind visiting them, but i rather visit *them* instead of *their computer*. :-)
[22:45] <sebner> ion_: I still live with them ^^
[22:45] <Keybuk> my parents computers run windows, and they know not to ask me for help :p
[22:46] <sebner> hrhr
[22:46] <sebner> Keybuk: btw, you big to make the swap partition with 4gb ram? 4gb? ^^
[22:46] <Keybuk> err?
[22:46] <sebner> though I think no swap necessary with 4gb ram ^^
[22:46] <Keybuk> swap is always useful
[22:47] <Keybuk> otherwise how will they hibernate, for one?
[22:47] <sebner> they never do ...
[22:47] <sebner> nor I'm doing that xD
[22:47] <Keybuk> swap means unused apps can be moved to swap to make room for more page cache
[22:47] <sebner> Keybuk: sure but I read that swap should be as big as the ram
[22:48] <Keybuk> indeed
[22:48] <Keybuk> I think the rule used to be "twice as big"
[22:48] <Keybuk> then it was "as big, or 2GB, which ever is larger"
[22:49] <sebner> Keybuk: so the swap should be 2gb?
[22:49] <Keybuk> no, size of ram
[22:49] <Keybuk> just use the installer
[22:49] <Keybuk> it does all this for you :p
[22:50] <oni> better dubble size of ram
[22:50] <sebner> No I'm seperating /home  ;)
[22:50] <sebner> oni: so 8gb ? ^^
[22:50] <Keybuk> oh, gods, WHY!?
[22:50] <oni> yes
[22:50] <Keybuk> every other week I get very tempted to simply make split filesystems not work
[22:51] <sebner> Keybuk: /me has no problem with it and it's great if I reinstall ubuntu :)
[22:51] <oni> a java-man:"disks are cheap"
[22:51] <sebner> oni: well the pc will have 500gb harddrive
[22:51] <oni> so why not 8gb swap
[22:52] <sebner> oni: the question is if 8gb are really usefull or are 4gb enough
[22:52] <ion_> Puppet is quite nice for managing computers. For instance, i have this module for fixing Ubuntu’s fonts (main file: http://gitweb.heh.fi/?p=ion/puppet/sharp-fonts.git;a=blob;f=manifests/init.pp, templates referenced by it: http://gitweb.heh.fi/?p=ion/puppet/sharp-fonts.git;a=tree;f=templates). If i wanted my dad’s box to use that config, i’d just add the class to his node. Or the default node, which is what i’ve done.
[22:52] <Keybuk> I sat next to someone who was a Puppet developer at the LPC Speakers Dinner
[22:52] <ion_> The computers pull the settings from puppetmaster, so i don’t have to allow connectivity from me to my dad’s laptop.
[22:53] <oni> if they will ever suspend 8gb are usefull
[22:53] <sebner> oni: why? They only use firefox or that stuff
[22:53] <sebner> Keybuk: I decided to buy 4gb so I have 1gb in stock if one breaks down :D
[22:53] <ion_> sebner: The Ubuntu installer handles /home even if it’s on the root partition.
[22:53] <Keybuk> a quad core, 4GB RAM, 64-bit box ...
[22:53] <Keybuk> ... to run FIREFOX?!
[22:53] <Keybuk> it's crap, but not *that* crap! :p
[22:53] <sebner> Keybuk: office :D
[22:54] <azeem> Firefox office FTW
[22:54] <Keybuk> actually, you do want it 32-bit if it's for parents
[22:54] <Keybuk> and with the windows dlls and stuff
[22:54] <sebner> Keybuk: yes I know
[22:54] <Keybuk> otherwise they won't be able to do flash, or watch movies they download
[22:54] <sebner> Keybuk: they don't download movies O_o
[22:54] <oni> sebner: i think your qustion ist allready answered
[22:54] <Keybuk> yes, I used to think my parents didn't look at porn either -- then I opened the bookmarks
[22:54]  * sebner has no cyperpirates at home xD
[22:54] <sebner> Keybuk: omg xD
[22:54] <sebner> oni: yes?
[22:55] <oni> sebner: yes, you said "firefox"
[22:55] <sebner> Keybuk: as I said. things are cheap now. The last pc (without screen) were 800€. and now I'll make one with half the price and a lot more power :D
[22:56] <sebner> oni: so 8gb are usefull?
[22:56] <sebner> -l
[22:56] <oni> i would do so
[22:57] <sebner> oni: and 4gb aren
[22:57] <sebner> oni: aren't enough because .... ?
[22:58] <oni> it is enough but not recommended
[22:58] <sebner> oni: also for parents?
[22:58] <Keybuk> *baffled*
[22:58] <ion_> :-)
[22:58] <Keybuk> I only have 2GB in any of my machines
[22:59] <sebner> because I actually have 500mb used from 2gb ram and 2mb swap from 2gb :)
[22:59] <sebner> Keybuk: ram or swap?
[22:59] <Keybuk> sebner: ram
[22:59] <sebner> Keybuk: cheap! :D
[22:59] <oni> sebner: don't know my parents don't have swap in their head
[23:00] <sebner> Keybuk: I could also buy a singlecore and use 1gb ram. so the pc is new but crap ^^
[23:00] <Keybuk> right, time for flight
[23:00] <Keybuk> l8r
[23:00] <sebner> and for me it's time for bed :D
[23:00] <sebner> gn8 folks
[23:00] <sebner> oni: and thx for the tipps
[23:00] <oni> n8
[23:00] <oni> np
[23:25] <TheMuso> Treenaks: I'll admit I was once like that, but experience has taught me otherwise.


[16:58] <johnc4510> nhandler: ping
[16:58] <johnc4510> :)
[17:06] <johnc4510> nhandler: just wondering about the team meeting summaries??
[17:07] <johnc4510> add it if you have time
[17:08] <nhandler_> johnc4510: I'm finishing them up. Do you have any idea when you want to publish this UWN? I really dropped the ball, and am trying to get a few more teams to publish some reports before I add them to the UWN
[17:08] <johnc4510> nhandler_: it won't be for several hours yet
[17:09] <johnc4510> so you can have plenty of time
[17:09] <johnc4510> :)
[17:09] <nhandler_> johnc4510: That is great. But we will be including them in this UWN even if we don't get many reports (I don't want to delay it 2 weeks)
[17:10] <johnc4510> nods
[17:10] <johnc4510> big issue this wk
[20:04] <nhandler_> johnc4510 and tyche: Team Reports are up
[20:05] <tyche> Thanks.  I'll proof them, then johnc4510 can push the issue out.
[20:05] <tyche> (We work on the UWN.  You can tell.  We have issues.  Hee hee)
[20:09] <tyche> nhandler_: There appears to be a formatting problem with your titling, and I don't know for sure where the separation is.  Check Xubuntu Team, etc.
[20:14] <nhandler_> tyche: The packaging and artwork reports are sub reports of the Xubuntu Team
[20:14] <tyche> Let's see if I can fix it, then
[20:14] <nhandler_> Although, there is a different error in ordering
[20:14] <tyche> Oh?
[20:15] <nhandler_> Give me a minute to fix that
[20:15] <tyche> kk
[20:15] <tyche> Push Packaging and Artwork titles in with a space asterisk space in front of them, and 2 spaces for the sub-sub-headings.
[20:16] <tyche> You've also got two headings for the Xubuntu Team
[20:17] <nhandler_> No. One is the heading, the other is the content
[20:17] <johnc4510> hey guys
[20:17] <nhandler_> And I don't think moving the packaging and artwork to bullets is appropriate here. They are already subheadings (count the ='s)
[20:17] <tyche> Change the heading to == Xubuntu Team == then
[20:19] <tyche> You're doing formatting entirely differently from what I know, and I'm not sure how to fix it.
[20:19] <nhandler_> tyche: Refresh. It can't use == (that is for a heading in the UWN)
[20:20] <nhandler_> I would compare this to issue 162 to see what we have done in the past
[20:20] <tyche> OK, that looks a lot better.  I needed to refresh again.
[20:20] <tyche> No, I'm not disputing your formatting.  Simply saying that I'm not familiar with it.
[20:20] <nhandler_> I would also suggest using the ToC to see how everything lines up
[20:21] <tyche> And the rest of it looks right, now, too.
[20:21] <tyche> Thanks
[20:21] <johnc4510> nhandler_: you done now??
[20:21] <johnc4510> :)
[20:21] <nhandler_> johnc4510: Yeah
[20:21] <johnc4510> cool...thx for the help :)
[20:22]  * johnc4510 high fives nhandler_
[20:22] <nhandler_> :)
[20:23]  * tyche gives nhandler_ an "Atta Boy"
[20:23] <johnc4510> i'll have it out in about 45 mins. after last proofing and spell check then
[22:16] <johnc4510> The new issue of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available:
[22:16] <johnc4510> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue167


[01:39] <Etriaph> Polls are open.
[01:48] <sgclark> Etriaph: umm were we suppose to get an email or something?
[01:49] <Etriaph> I started the poll, provided all of the addresses that were available, but I don't know how long it takes for their system to send it out.
[01:50] <Etriaph> Only three members are missing for ballots, but I can add them as soon as I have email addresses.
[01:51] <sgclark> ahh seems my mail is behind, hopefully I have a ballot
[01:51] <Etriaph> If not, I've never used their software before, but it seemed straightforward with respect to options.
[01:52] <Etriaph> It could be stopped if need be.
[01:53] <Etriaph> Did Rohan have any issues last year with it?
[01:53] <sgclark> I found my mail, all good. was my mail server
[01:53] <Etriaph> Oh, excellent!
[01:54] <Etriaph> sgclark: Thanks for confirmation the ballots are working :D
[01:54] <sgclark> :) thanks for doing the elections :)
[01:54] <Etriaph> sgclark: It's a meaningful way to contribute.  :D
[01:55] <sgclark> yep!
[01:57] <Etriaph> sgclark: FYI, if you're interested, someone passed along this gem to me today:  http://devdocs.io/
[01:58] <sgclark> oh wow how cool is that
[01:58] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: We should find a way to integrate developer documentation into http://devdocs.io/
[01:58] <Etriaph> Offline storage :D
[01:58] <Etriaph> Disconnect your laptop and the site's content is still available.
[01:59] <Etriaph> Very smart idea.  That system, devdocs.io, is on github
[01:59] <Etriaph> Gonna fork that and see what I can do with it :D
[02:05] <ahoneybun> awesome Etriaph
[02:16] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: Getting the KDE class docs into that would be handy.
[02:16] <Etriaph> And any custom QML stuff that KDE provides.
[02:17] <Etriaph> Does anyone know when we'll have a build of QML WebEngine?  Or is there a package for it now?
[02:19] <Etriaph> http://tinyurl.com/on9autp
[02:20] <ahoneybun> KDE class?
[02:20] <ahoneybun> userbase you mean?
[02:20] <Etriaph> The KDE API docs for KF5
[02:20] <ahoneybun> oh
[02:21] <Etriaph> More tools for developers means more apps :D
[02:22] <ahoneybun> true
[02:22] <ahoneybun> so that page is for? I still don;t understand what it is Etriaph
[02:23] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: You mean devdocs.io or the page I linked?
[02:23] <ahoneybun> devdocs
[02:23] <Etriaph> They built an app that allows you to download documentation for offline browsing
[02:23] <ahoneybun> oh
[02:23] <Etriaph> So you can sync, have the docs available, and it updates them when you connect again
[02:23] <ahoneybun> sweet
[02:24] <ahoneybun> I saw that is support mobike
[02:24] <ahoneybun> *mobile
[02:24] <Etriaph> Yup; you could store docs on your phone.
[02:24] <Etriaph> But... the site's code is open source.
[02:24] <ahoneybun> well making the docs pdf does the same
[02:24] <Etriaph> So we could fork it, put documentation in our channels into it
[02:25] <Etriaph> Ya, but PDF doesn't sync on version updates.
[02:25] <ahoneybun> yea
[02:25] <Etriaph> So.. small QML app with a browser for reading on Desktop, then in browser for tablet and mobile
[02:26] <ahoneybun> sweet
[02:26] <ahoneybun> could be a widget as well
[02:28] <Etriaph> Yup, that would be natural to do as well.
[02:28] <Etriaph> Plasma Active could have an app.
[02:28] <Etriaph> Read docs on the tablet while working on desktop.
[02:28] <ahoneybun> Active is a bit slow atm with Plasma 5 and such going on
[02:28] <Etriaph> *nods*
[02:30] <ahoneybun> Etriaph: have you seen my slideshow?
[02:30] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: Not yet.. what's it on?
[02:31] <ahoneybun> having a single/few languages for the docs
[02:31] <ahoneybun> of all the projects
[02:31] <ahoneybun> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6zAAODZFwQ2SGJCQ1YxRE1IaUU/view?usp=sharing
[02:32] <ahoneybun> since all the projects (xubuntu, lubuntu, kubuntu) docs are on different sites it can be annoying to find them
[02:32] <ahoneybun> and the ubuntu wiki is bad with MoinMoin
[02:34] <Etriaph> In the past, with producing documentation, I always had an internal format that exported to several external ones.
[02:35] <Etriaph> Choose what you want to work with the most, to produce documentation, and let everything else read from that.
[02:36] <ahoneybun> LaTeX is the most used, with the Ubuntu Docs, Server Docs, and Xubuntu Docs
[02:36] <Etriaph> So all you need to do is learn to transform LaTeX
[02:37] <Etriaph> Or to LaTeX
[02:37] <Etriaph> What would you prefer to work with?
[02:37] <ahoneybun> I really like RST
[02:37] <ahoneybun> restructuredText
[02:38] <ahoneybun> I would help move things over
[02:38] <Etriaph> Now do you want restructuredText for the next four or five years?
[02:39] <Etriaph> Does it support all possible documentation presentational elements you may need down the road?
[02:39] <ahoneybun> it works and has been around for a while
[02:39] <ahoneybun> supports imgs, sections
[02:39] <ahoneybun> tables, bullets
[02:40]  * ahoneybun is still researching
[02:40] <Etriaph> Can I ask you to consider something?
[02:41] <ahoneybun> sure
[02:41] <Etriaph> Do you think a technical writer, who chooses to donate time documenting in the future, would enjoy using restructeredText?
[02:42] <ahoneybun> I like it
[02:42] <ahoneybun> but for users/contributors they can file bugs against it in LP or Git
[02:43] <Etriaph> Do you have control over the resulting processing?
[02:43] <ahoneybun> and contributors fix them
[02:43] <ahoneybun> well the bug tracking system on LP and Git?
[02:43] <Etriaph> ie. could I take your source and decide what kind of HTML output I get for it?
[02:44] <Etriaph> And then do like: rt-transform my_doc.rt template.in out.html
[02:44] <ahoneybun> with sphinx we can export to HTML
[02:44] <ahoneybun> eBook, and PDF
[02:44] <Etriaph> Sphinx, lemme see
[02:44] <ahoneybun> http://sphinx-doc.org
[02:44] <ahoneybun> wait
[02:45] <ahoneybun> it uses LaTeX for the PDF
[02:45] <ahoneybun> oh wow
[02:46] <Etriaph> Ya, this is interesting.
[02:47] <ahoneybun> so we (kubuntu) could using RST, then export to LaTeX, while Lubuntu just write LaTeX
[02:48] <ahoneybun> though ours would be one long file from the looks of it
[02:48] <Etriaph> There must be a TOC
[02:48] <Etriaph> That would produce links to anchors
[02:49] <ahoneybun> anyway I have to go to sleep
[02:49] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: Night
[02:50] <ahoneybun> night Etriaph
[03:15] <ScottK> Someone tell sitter I think it's fine when you see him.
[05:49] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: ping
[05:57] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: pong, adding it now
[05:58] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: On its way to you know
[05:58] <Etriaph> s/know/now
[05:58] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: when's the deadline?
[05:59] <Etriaph> 18th
[05:59] <ovidiu-florin> ok, thank you
[05:59] <Etriaph> np
[05:59] <Etriaph> Have you seen http://devdocs.io/ ?
[05:59] <Etriaph> Was telling Aaron about it earlier
[06:00] <ovidiu-florin> no
[06:00] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: can you add a trello card for this?
[06:00] <Etriaph> It supports offline browsing for all of the documentation sets
[06:00] <Etriaph> For devdocs?
[06:00] <ovidiu-florin> so we study it as well?
[06:00] <Etriaph> Sure
[06:00] <ovidiu-florin> I have to go now
[06:00] <ovidiu-florin> I'll be back this evening
[06:05] <Etriaph> rgr
[07:51] <sick_rimmit> Good Morning
[07:55] <soee> hiho
[09:09] <Blizzz> Person widet (whatever this is) fails because it cannot load a qml file (dependency issue?) Error loading QML file: file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.person/contents/ui/main.qml:23:1: module "org.kde.people" is not installed
[09:19] <sitter> Blizzz: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/ktp-desktop-applets.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_stable&id=8412fcd49838f8a5e14b4f0bec0e9d5848bd8270
[09:23] <Blizzz> sitter: ty
[09:24] <sitter> now we just need someone to package 15.04.1 -.-
[10:27] <Blizzz> meh, again that bloody Krautish everywhere -.-
[11:02] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:10]  * yofel puts on the He Voted badge
[12:45] <sgclark> sitter: Riddell: sure I can run applications, but I am guessing I need to set up wily or something?
[12:45]  * sgclark voted too
[12:56] <sitter> if I remembered where I put my script :'<
[12:58] <sitter> kubotu: order i voted button for sgclark and yofel
[12:58]  * kubotu hands sgclark and yofel a blue "I Voted" button with a panda on it.
[12:58] <kubotu> Thanks for voting -- The Illuminati
[12:58]  * sitter wonders what the deal with the panda is
[12:58] <sgclark> lol nice
[13:01] <sitter> sgclark: are you going to do applications for wily right away?
[13:01] <sgclark> well I have to set up a chroot first, I have not touched wily yet
[13:01] <sitter> you could just run on vivid, there's no real difference anyway ;)
[13:02]  * sitter wonders how backporting is supposed to work nowadays
[13:02] <sgclark> okies
[13:04] <sitter> kubuntu_stable ⇢ kubuntu_wily_archive ⇢ kubuntu_vivid_backports
[13:05] <sitter> if so then I'd branch kubuntu_stable ⇢ kubuntu_wily_archive. that should get packaged, once that is super awesome one would merge kubuntu_wily_archive ⇢ kubuntu_vivid_backports and upload vivid
[13:07] <sgclark> okies
[13:07] <sitter> agh, apps has kde4 bits again -.-
[13:08] <sgclark> mmhm still for sometime I am afraid
[13:08] <sitter> me too
[13:10] <sitter> so actually the merge process probably is: kubuntu_vivid_archive ⇢ kubuntu_vivid_backports (which is already done for kf5 packages) AND THEN kubuntu_stable ⇢ kubuntu_wily_archive (if there is no kubuntu_stable: kubuntu_vivid_backports ⇢ kubuntu_wily_archive) then wily gets packaged. then kubuntu_wily_archive ⇢ kubuntu_vivid_backports and vivid gets packaged.
[13:10] <sitter> clearly someone should port all the kde4 stuff so I don't get my brain all twisted over merges
[13:12] <sitter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11113339/
[13:12] <sitter> case in point
[13:12] <sitter> how do those bastards even diverge
[13:13] <sgclark> didnt we already merge that in 15.04.0?
[13:14] <sitter> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/artikulate.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_vivid_archive&id=bf32b62fdf041a74fcead180bceee47a8173a915
[13:14] <sitter> sgclark: we only branched, there was no merge afterwards
[13:14] <sitter> sgclark: why is that version UNRELEASED in archive though?
[13:15] <sitter> seems either that should not be unreleased or that actually did not land in vivid?
[13:15] <sgclark> it did nto land in vivid it looks to me
[13:16] <sgclark> hmm
[13:17]  * sitter emits a blink
[13:17] <sitter> sgclark: they were uploaed though https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/ark
[13:17] <sitter> I so much despise our current process
[13:18] <sitter> stuff gets lost all the time
[13:18] <sgclark> ugh
[13:18] <sitter> artikulate packaging repo is weird
[13:19] <sitter> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/artikulate.git/log/?h=kubuntu_vivid_backports
[13:19] <yofel> how is that weird?
[13:19] <sitter> why backports was branched from the first commit in the repo is beyond me
[13:20] <yofel> ah hm
[13:20] <sitter> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/artikulate.git/log/
[13:20] <sitter> assuing my intial backports branch script crapped out and branched from master rather than a suitable branch it shouldn't have used the first commit as there were some 20 commits ontop of it
[13:21] <sitter> so that branch makes no sense
[13:24] <sitter> sgclark: since artikular isn't wrap-clean... please make sure to setup a git template so new clones are forced to have a wrapped debian/ directory http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/git-hooks.git/
[13:25] <sgclark> umm
[13:26] <sgclark> how do I do that?
[13:26] <sitter> see readme
[13:29] <sitter> kde-wallpapers also has problems
[13:29] <yofel> could that hook check first if one pushes to pkg-kde/ ?
[13:29] <yofel> currently that applies to all and any commits..
[13:30] <BluesKaj> i just load wallpapers from the pictures file , the wallpapers available from kde-look are ok, but I prefer my own familiar scenes
[13:30] <sgclark> eerr for all repos? that could be a problem with my work with kde and such
[13:31] <sitter> sgclark: only if the repo has a debian/ dir
[13:31] <sgclark> ahh okies cool
[13:31] <yofel> I meant any package..
[13:31] <sitter> yofel: feel free to expand, probably just needs to check what origin points to
[13:31] <sgclark> sure ok fine
[13:32] <sitter> I don't think the script actually gets the remote passed as argument or something, though I might be mistaken
[13:32] <sitter> checking origin should be a decent enough approximation at any rate
[13:33] <sitter> oh oh oh
[13:33] <sitter> I remember!
[13:34] <sitter> yofel: you created kubuntu_unstable for some kde4 apps when you created the initial repos supposedly because I hadn't pointed out that we only integrate kf5
[13:34] <yofel> probably, which I still don't understand, but whatever
[13:34] <sitter> no point investing time in stuff that is going anyway :P
[13:34] <sitter> *going away
[13:35] <yofel> sure, but it makes things complicated in other places
[13:35] <sitter> anywho, this wasn't a problem because we only CI'd applications based on a seclection list what with most apps being kde4. the branching scripts however merged without discrimination so they would create the backports from those incredibly outedated kubuntu_unstable branches on kde4 repos
[13:36] <sitter> yofel: such as?
[13:38] <yofel> merging in kubuntu-initial-upload? or what does git do if you want to merge an inexistent branch? (Can't say I ever tried that)
[13:39] <sitter> initial-upload doesn't merge, I have a special script for that
[13:39] <yofel> er, it does merge..
[13:39] <sitter> which has a list of origins, if it fails to find an origin it picks the next best one
[13:39] <sitter> which is something I need anyway because some upstreams have no 'stable' release
[13:40] <sitter> so there's always a case where a repo has no kubuntu_stable and needs logic to automatically fall through to kubuntu_unstable
[13:40] <yofel> wait what? "else: #not sru\n ... git merge origin/kubuntu_%s_backports ..."
[13:41] <sitter> Oo
[13:41] <sitter> wtf
[13:41] <sitter> yofel: in initial upload?
[13:41] <sgclark> sitter:  yes that merges now
[13:41] <yofel> sitter: er, correction, "git checkout origin/kubuntu_%s_backports, git merge origin/kubuntu_%s"
[13:42] <yofel> still, it hardcodes backports o.O
[13:42] <sitter> sgclark: of course it does. it does everything...
[13:42] <sgclark> lol
[13:43]  * sitter shakes head
[13:43] <sitter> if lastDigit >= 80:
[13:43] <sitter>     stability = "unstable"
[13:43] <sitter> else:
[13:43] <sitter>     stability = "stable"
[13:44] <yofel> -            subprocess.check_call(["git", "checkout", "kubuntu_%s_archive" % (release)])
[13:44] <yofel> +            subprocess.check_call(["git", "checkout", "kubuntu_%s_backports" % (release)])
[13:44] <yofel> . . .
[13:44] <sgclark> so did you say you have a script or am I doing all this by hand?
[13:44] <sitter> anyone seen my valium?
[13:44] <sitter> sgclark: script already running
[13:44] <sgclark> pass me some if you find it
[13:44] <sgclark> sweet thanks
[13:44] <sitter> and failing xD
[13:44] <sitter> ksnakeduel also broken
[13:44] <sgclark> doh
[13:45]  * yofel passes sitter some ritalin
[13:46] <yofel> If I didn't have exams to study for I would rewrite k-i-u...
[13:47]  * yofel leaves it broken and hopes whoever falls on his face will forgive him
[13:49] <sitter> yofel: been drawing up a KCI based replacement anyway
[13:49] <yofel> in !ruby?
[13:49] <sitter> yah
[13:49] <yofel> that was a boolean statement :P
[13:50] <sitter> in that case nah
[13:50] <sitter> the trick part is the architecture anyway
[13:50] <yofel> danit ;P
[13:50] <sitter> needs to be coherently atomic
[13:50] <sitter> which is somewhat mutuall exclusive
[13:50] <yofel> uh, you can't really do worse than k-i-u really...
[13:50] <yofel> really
[13:51] <yofel> side question: is ruby 2 more API stable than python 3?
[14:24] <Riddell> How do I get Nick completion in quassel droid?
[14:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you press the search button thing
[14:43] <sitter> sgclark: there are a couple of repos that have no kubuntu_vivid_archive branch. not sure what exactly that means but they might warrant looking into .. ktp-common-internals: libkdegames: libkgeomap: meta-kde-telepathy:
[14:43] <sitter> pushing first merge part now (vivid_archive ⇢ backports)
[14:44] <sgclark> okies
[14:52] <sitter> all repos that are getting a kubuntu_wily_archive branch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11114684/
[14:52] <sitter> pushing second part now (stable | vivid_backports ⇢  wily_archive)
[15:18] <sitter> sgclark: all applications repos have a kubuntu_wily_archive branch now
[15:18] <sitter> (excluding kde-workspace of course, since we don't package that anymore)
[15:22] <sgclark> okies thank you
[16:25] <sgclark> grr can we put our tools in git , bzr hates me
[16:32] <yofel> bzr hates its life, can't get any worse
[16:35] <yofel> actually, we could convert it into a git repo...
[19:29] <soee> hiho
[20:44] <KDDA> anyone know of a gui version of the du tool?
[20:48] <Etriaph> KDDA: Kinda, you can try filelight
[20:48] <KDDA> I have an sdcard I want to find out where the most usage is
[20:48] <Etriaph> Yup, Filelight then
[20:48] <Etriaph> sudo apt-get install filelight
[20:49] <Etriaph> It's a graphical display of disk usage, one of my favorite tools.
[20:49] <KDDA> in progress of installing
[20:50] <KDDA> ah nice
[20:50] <KDDA> thanks Etriaph
[20:50] <Etriaph> np
[20:50] <KDDA> ah, log files
[20:50] <KDDA> lots of huge log files
[20:51]  * ahoneybun had to reinstall...
[20:51] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: Oh, what happened?
[20:52] <ahoneybun> not sure. my wifi was not working at work so I rebooted, still nothing, rebooted still nothing, rebooted black screen with the mouse showing and I could move it
[20:52] <ahoneybun> Etriaph:
[20:52] <Etriaph> Weird.
[20:52] <ahoneybun> yes and sucking
[20:53] <ahoneybun> oh well
[20:53] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: Did you try to rescue first?
[20:53] <ahoneybun> did not know what to do really
[20:53] <KDDA> 2.1Gb of logs :/
[20:53] <KDDA> silly raspberrypi
[20:53] <Etriaph> KDDA: That'll do it :D
[20:53] <ahoneybun> I was looking at top and plasmashell was running
[20:54] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: Did the reinstall get the Wifi working?
[20:54] <Etriaph> KDDA: Remember, filelight is your friend :D
[20:54] <ahoneybun> not sure, I'm on cable atm
[20:54] <ahoneybun> oh wait the EFI bug was fixed
[20:54] <KDDA> indeed
[20:55] <KDDA> shame it doesnt work over ssh
[20:55] <ahoneybun> yay did not even notice till now
[20:56] <ahoneybun> brb reboot, updated, upgraded and added the backport ppa
[20:56] <KDDA> indeed Etriaph, its fast too!
[20:57] <ahoneybun> wait installing some more stuff then reboot
[20:58] <ahoneybun> Etriaph: that is a game changer that sphinx can export latex
[20:58] <ahoneybun> and we have pandoc
[20:58] <ahoneybun> brb
[21:00] <KDDA> yippeee
[21:00] <KDDA> weather station is back online!
[21:00] <yofel> KDDA: it should work over ssh -X actually. just very very slow
[21:01] <KDDA> I need to auto delete my logs
[21:01] <sitter> not necessarily there's all matter of problems with involved apps as they somewhat depend on enviornmental conditions
[21:01] <yofel> there's logrotate for that ;)
[21:01] <sitter> such as a dbus socket
[21:02] <yofel> hm, true. bad dbus
[21:02] <KDDA> it must not be working on rasbian !
[21:04] <sitter> 21:01:46 E, [2015-05-13T21:01:46.714014 #25739] ERROR -- ppa_promote: Found more than one matching source for plasma-workspace=4:5.3.0+git20150513.0917+15.10-0
[21:04] <sitter> launchpad is drunk or something
[21:10] <KDDA> oh dear, plasma sheel just crashed :/
[21:20] <Etriaph> Anyone know a low-cost place to host a Quassel core?
[21:22] <sitter> @home
[21:23] <Etriaph> I only have the one PC, I tend to turn it off at night.
[21:23] <Etriaph> I have a laptop, but same deal.
[21:43] <test__> I need help, plasma-shell crashed on me and wouldnt restart. I rebooted my system and not cant get into my desktop.  Ive had to setup a brand new user to get online
[21:43] <sitter> stop running things using sudo? :P
[21:44] <test__> its KDDA btw
[21:47] <KDDA> sitter: if that was reply to me, I wasnt using sudo.  I had this IRC open and an SSH terminal to my RaspberyPi and a Firefox browser open at the time
[21:47] <sitter> paste your .xession-errors file
[21:48] <KDDA> how do I reset my desktop?
[21:48] <sitter> that entirely depends on how it broke
[21:49] <sitter> KDDA: is krunner still working?
[21:49] <KDDA> the inferface is, but it not working in my other account
[21:50] <KDDA> Alt-spacebar brings up the type box, but nothing works
[21:50] <sitter> define nothing works
[21:50] <KDDA> well typing firefox, does nothing
[21:50] <KDDA> typing IRC, does nothing
[21:53] <sitter> KDDA: sudo chown -R yourusername /home/yourhome
[21:53] <sitter> KDDA: if that does not help you'll have to get help from #kde or #plasma
[21:57] <KDDA> No ksycoca database available! ?
[21:57] <sitter> that seems somewhat unlikely as it gets force generated during login IIRC
[21:58] <KDDA> well thats the error in .xsession-errors
[21:59] <sitter> fair enough so you have been running a gui thing via sudo or some other such nonesense :P
[21:59] <sitter> KDDA: ls -lah /home/yourhome/.cache/ksycoca5*
[21:59] <KDDA> not that I know of
[22:26] <KDDA> what is the bar at the bottom called?


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[02:18] <SmashStack> how do you set the font for the virtual console on startup?
[03:45] <Guest57363> hi.  I'm using kubuntu 14.04 beta.  It looks like it's not as easy now to add things like Adobe Flash & libdvdcss2 to Kubuntu.  Is there a repo i can add?  Thanks.
[03:47] <SmashStack> Guest57363: should just be sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:47] <Guest57363> SmashStack; ok, thanks.  i'll try that.
[03:48] <SmashStack> the DVD thing needs some extra steps. there is an ubuntu wiki page on it. google should get you there pretty quickly
[03:49] <Guest57363> ah, so it is a little more tricky than before.  good to know.
[03:49] <tsimpson> !dvd
[03:49] <tsimpson> first link
[03:50] <Guest57363> wow, some research is required.  ok, thanks.
[03:50] <SmashStack> tsimpson: is there a list of those commands somewhere?
[03:51] <tsimpson> !bot
[03:51] <tsimpson> first link :)
[03:51] <Guest57363> ok
[03:51] <SmashStack> awesome. thank you, good sir
[03:52] <Guest57363> "E: Unable to locate package kubuntu-restricted-extras"
[03:53] <Guest57363> i'll try later when i have more time to read up on this.  thanks everybody :)>
[03:53] <tsimpson> make sure you have multivese enabled in the software properties
[03:53] <tsimpson> "Software restricted by copyright or legal issues (multivese)" check box
[03:55] <Guest57363>  (multivese)" check box  <--- in synaptic?
[03:56] <Guest57363> i didn't find it
[03:56] <Guest57363> tsimpson
[03:56] <Guest57363> or muon?
[03:58] <tsimpson> Guest57363: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu should help
[03:58] <Guest57363> tsimpson: thanks.
[08:31] <wiktor> siema szkodnik
[09:59] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:28] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:01] <lordievader> This might be interesting for other ipad/iphone users: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/03/ios7-ipad-iphone-ubuntu-trust?utm_source=feedly&utm_reader=feedly&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ios7-ipad-iphone-ubuntu-trust
[14:38] <kyfella> user@computer:~$ python
[14:38] <kyfella> Python 2.6.7 (r267:88850, Oct 30 2013, 23:25:06)
[14:38] <kyfella> [GCC 4.8.1] on linux3
[14:38] <kyfella> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
[14:38] <kyfella> >>> import gtk
[14:38] <kyfella> Traceback (most recent call last):
[14:38] <kyfella>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
[14:38] <kyfella> ImportError: No module named gtk
[14:38] <kyfella> >>>
[14:39] <kyfella> anyone have any ideas on this one?  I have installed The Saucy Salamander (current stable release) GTK+ 3.4 series, gir1.2-gtk-3.0_3.8.6-0ubuntu3.1_amd64.deb (165.5 KiB)
[14:39] <kyfella> 3.8.6-0ubuntu3.1
[14:39] <kyfella> Can anyone give me a clue?
[14:40] <lordievader> kyfella: You'll probably have more luck in #ubuntu, here in Kubuntu we mainly work with Qt. Though I think you miss some kind of pygtk package.
[14:40] <kyfella> i will check over there
[14:44] <lordievader> kyfella: python-gtk2 for example, but I don't know for sure.
[14:56] <kyfella> hi Lordie, I tried multiple attempts at that
[14:56] <kyfella> the darn thing is about stubborn.  I went over to the #ubuntu channel, but they were clueless
[14:57] <kyfella> anyone in here successful in getting bleachbit to actually work in 13.10 saucy?
[14:59] <kyfella> that is why I am asking the ? about the python gtk
[14:59] <lordievader> kyfella: Hmm there is a channel #pygtk here on Freenode, they might know (if there is anyone on that channel), else you might try #python.
[14:59] <kyfella> awesome idea.  let me go check
[15:31] <Firestarter> Is the 64bit latest release much different than the LTS release
[15:34] <ikonia> yes
[15:38] <Firestarter> ikonia: Is it safe to use the latest release?
[15:38] <ikonia> 13.10 or 14.04 ?
[15:49] <Firestarter> ikonia: 13.10
[15:57] <mydogsnameisrudy> Firestarter:  just wondering what your using right now?
[16:03] <ikonia> Firestarter: 13.10 is stable, however you may want to keep in mind it's support time lines
[16:25] <Firestarter> mydogsnameisrudy: Kubuntu 10 something but I am going to be installing on a new laptop.
[16:26] <BluesKaj> Kubuntu 10 is a bit old unless it's 10.04 LTS
[17:29] <Firestarter> mydogsnameisrudy: So 12.04 LTS is probably best?
[18:11] <miraiE> why rekonq is omitted from 14.04?
[18:12] <genii> !info rekonq trusty
[18:12] <genii> miraiE: The bot indicates that it is not omitted
[18:13] <miraiE> I mean it's not installed by default
[18:14] <miraiE> so everyone prefers firefox to rekonq right now
[18:15] <SmashStack> most people either use FF or chrome/ium
[18:15] <miraiE> yes, actually so do I
[18:17] <miraiE> maybe I am too fanatic of Qt
[18:17] <SmashStack> rekonq is KDE dependent, is it not?
[18:17] <SmashStack> I ran a Qt-only gentoo installation for a while. it was somewhat simplistic, but it was pretty awesome
[18:18] <SmashStack> I wonder what qt-razor is doing nowadays
[18:58] <lacktchou> J'essai d'installer inxi et je n'y arrive pas. Je travaille avec kubuntu 13.04 LTS.
[18:59] <lordievader> !french| lacktchou
[19:03] <lacktchou> Bonjour. J'essaie d'installer inxi mais je n'y arrive pas. Je travaille avec kubuntu 13.04 LTS.  J'ai lu pas mal sur le site de inxi. J'ai fait un sudo apt-get install inxi mais sans succès. Voici ce que retourne bash: apt-cache search inxi  apt-cache search inxi
[19:03] <lacktchou> lacktchou@ibm:~$ sudo apt-get install inxi
[19:03] <lacktchou> [sudo] password for lacktchou:
[19:03] <lacktchou> Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
[19:03] <lacktchou> Construction de l'arbre des dépendances
[19:03] <lacktchou> Lecture des informations d'état... Fait
[19:03] <lacktchou> E: Impossible de trouver le paquet inxi
[19:03] <lacktchou> lacktchou@ibm:~$ inxi
[19:03] <lacktchou> inxi : commande introuvable
[19:03] <lacktchou> lacktchou@ibm:~$  apt-cache search inxi
[19:03] <lacktchou> lacktchou@ibm:~$ sudo  apt-cache search inxi
[19:03] <lacktchou> lacktchou@ibm:~$ sudo apt-cache search inxi
[19:03] <lacktchou> lacktchou@ibm:~$ apt-get install inxi
[19:03] <lacktchou> E: Impossible d'ouvrir le fichier verrou /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission non accordée)
[19:03] <lacktchou> E: Impossible de verrouiller le répertoire d'administration (/var/lib/dpkg/). Avez-vous les privilèges du superutilisateur ?
[19:03] <lacktchou> lacktchou@ibm:~$ sudo apt-get install inxi
[19:03] <lacktchou> [sudo] password for lacktchou:
[19:03] <lordievader> !french | lacktchou
[19:03] <lacktchou> E: Impossible d'obtenir le verrou /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Ressource temporairement non disponible)
[19:03] <lacktchou> E: Impossible de verrouiller le répertoire d'administration (/var/lib/dpkg/). Il est possible qu'un autre processus l'utilise.
[19:03] <lacktchou> lacktchou@ibm:~$ sudo apt-get install inxi
[19:03] <lordievader> Also don't flood
[19:03] <lacktchou> Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
[19:03] <lacktchou> Construction de l'arbre des dépendances
[19:03] <lacktchou> Lecture des informations d'état... Fait
[19:03] <lacktchou> E: Impossible de trouver le paquet inxi
[19:03] <lordievader> !flood
[19:03] <lacktchou> lacktchou@ibm:~$ ^C
[19:04] <lacktchou> lacktchou@ibm:~$ sudo apt-get install gawk
[19:04] <lacktchou> Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
[19:04] <lacktchou> Construction de l'arbre des dépendances
[19:04] <lacktchou> Lecture des informations d'état... Fait
[19:04] <lacktchou> Les paquets suivants ont été installés automatiquement et ne sont plus nécessaires :
[19:04] <lacktchou>   linux-headers-3.2.0-58-generic-pae linux-headers-3.2.0-58
[19:06] <tsimpson> lacktchou: don't paste to the channel, use a paste service
[19:07] <BluesKaj> some ppl can't take "non" for an answer :)
[19:12] <miraiE> is there another way to install language pack out of locale settings?
[19:15] <tsimpson> miraiE: you can install the package manually, for instance language-pack-kde-ru
[19:39] <lordievader> Hmm, about the link I posted earlier about the ipad 'fix' don't install the package. It breaks upower, upower depends on libimobiledevice4. Upower is responsible for your laptop brightness settings etc, not really something you want to break.
[19:43] <Tracking> What are you talking about
[19:45] <lordievader> Tracking: If you connect an ipad to an Ubuntu machine it asks if you trust the host machine. If you say yes it will ask again, and again, and again. This afternoon I read of a 'fix'. Did more damage than good.
[19:46] <Tracking> Lets connect to the offtopic server
[19:47] <Tracking> Oh by the way you never told me
[19:47] <Tracking> the link
[19:50] <Tracking> Bye bye
[20:24] <CyberAssassin> Anybody having issues launching Google Chrome in KDE 13.10?
[20:24] <CyberAssassin> err
[20:24] <CyberAssassin> Kubuntu 13.10*
[20:26] <lordievader> CyberAssassin: The beta of Chrome launches fine here. (Not sure how recent the beta is, let me check)
[20:26] <lordievader> Version: 34.0.1847.45-1
[20:27] <CyberAssassin> Thanks, I installed Google Chrome Stable last night. First time I opened it it ran fine.
[20:27] <CyberAssassin> After closing it, it won't open at all.
[20:27] <CyberAssassin> It acts like it's going to, but won't.
[20:27] <lordievader> CyberAssassin: Have you tried opening it from a terminal, might give you a clue on what the problem is.
[20:28] <CyberAssassin> Just did that, missing a dependency. Not sure why I didn't try that first.
[20:31] <CyberAssassin> works now, thanks lordievader
[20:31] <lordievader> CyberAssassin: \o/
[21:10] <CyberAssassin> Okay I love kubuntu. It runs so much smoother than Unity on this old netbook.
[21:11] <lordievader> \o/
[21:11] <shadeslayer> CyberAssassin: yay
[21:11] <shadeslayer> CyberAssassin: anything to improve in 14.04?
[21:12] <CyberAssassin> Not that I can see, but the little Desktop thing is a tad irritating. Nothing I'm going to gripe over though.
[21:13] <shadeslayer> desktop thing?
[21:13] <shadeslayer> show desktop?
[21:14] <CyberAssassin> It's a little tab I can move around the desktop that says "Desktop"
[21:14] <CyberAssassin> If I click on it it says "Add Panel, Add Widgets, etc."
[21:46] <dougiel> lordievader, is there a way to make the manual ip stay through a reboot?
[21:47] <lordievader> dougiel: Edit /etc/network/interfaces to a static ip.
[21:57] <dougl> lordievader, that gives me no network? ifconfig shows eth1with no address and I have no access to the network
[22:01] <CyberAssassin> dougl: what are you trying to do?
[22:02] <dougl> make my 14.04 boot with <IP_ADDRESS> as the address CyberAssassin can you help?
[22:03] <CyberAssassin> ethernet or wireless?
[22:03] <dougl> ethernet
[22:05] <CyberAssassin> ifconfig eth1 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> up
[22:05] <CyberAssassin> That *should* work ^
[22:05] <dougl> but does not survive a reboot
[22:05] <CyberAssassin> If you want that to persist through reboot add it to a startup script.
[22:06] <dougl> I did it does not do the 'sudo'
[22:06] <apb1963> I have a window... it won't let me minimize it.  kubuntu 12.04  Any ideas?   It's in all of my virtual desktops for some reason (this is "normal").
[22:07] <dougl> CyberAssassin, where do I put it so it gets executed with root privleges?
[22:09] <CyberAssassin> Before you try that, what do you have in your /etc/network/interfaces?
[22:09] <CyberAssassin> On a side note, why doesn't kubuntu come with vim preinstalled?
[22:10] <CyberAssassin> Why include nano and not vim?
[22:10] <CyberAssassin> I suppose one could make the same argument about emacs.
[22:11] <dougl> CyberAssassin, what you told me to put in there... we playing games here?
[22:12] <CyberAssassin> *headdesk*
[22:13] <dougl> same
[22:14] <saiarcot895> Is the main/default/offical/preferred theme of Kubuntu Air or Oxygen?
[22:15] <CyberAssassin> dougl: PM
[22:28] <dougl> CyberAssassin, on that link makes my attempts full circle....
[22:28] <dougl> can you manually specify an ip address in 14.04?