[15:54] <pavlushka-> Hello Kilos :)
[15:54] <Kilos> hi pavlushka-
[16:57] <walrider> pavlushka-: bhaiiiiii
[16:57] <walrider> pavlushka-: kamon asen
[16:57] <Kilos> hi walrider
[16:57] <walrider> helo uncle kilos
[16:57] <walrider> how u doing now a days ?
[16:58] <Kilos> im ok so far ty
[16:58] <Kilos> bit weaker but ok
[16:59] <walrider> im thinking about changing my working platform , u know , so wi was looking for some one to disscuss about it
[17:00] <Kilos> haha what platform
[17:00] <Kilos> i use kde so im happy
[17:01] <walrider> now im doing ccna (cisco network associate network course), i was thinking to learn some java or other what u think ? i need some suggession
[17:01] <Kilos> superfly says python
[17:01] <Kilos> he is a python master
[17:02] <Kilos> not many peeps go for java
[17:02] <walrider> yea python is powerfull python can create AI
[17:03] <walrider> i did some research on google papa google said most valuable is sql then java then java script
[17:04] <Kilos> whew
[17:04] <Kilos> good luck
[17:04] <walrider> and i hate sql
[17:04] <Kilos> lol
[17:05] <Kilos> im glad i cant learn those languages
[17:05] <Kilos> would break my head more
[17:05] <walrider> i dont wanna step on two boats at a time so i wanna select a plaform that i will work with
[17:06] <Kilos> superfly does everything in python
[17:06] <Kilos> even fixes java errors
[17:06] <Kilos> but then he knows many languages but prefers python
[17:08] <walrider> as an intern i should select a platform what u say sir ?
[17:09] <Kilos> ask the clever guys lad
[17:09] <Kilos> we have all language guys in za and each says why he is best, but when they get stuck superfly fixes it for them
[17:10] <Kilos> get the book byteofpython and just see how easy it is
[17:10] <Kilos> and very powerful
[17:11] <Kilos> where is pavlushka- s bot
[17:11] <walrider> dont knwo
[17:11] <walrider> me looking for him too
[17:12] <Kilos> https://python.swaroopch.com
[17:13] <walrider> i have got py 3 book by matin in bangla language
[17:13] <Kilos> ah
[17:13] <Kilos> good


[00:03] <DonkeyHotei> [Tue 2013-08-20 10:48:56 PM PDT]  <tgm4883> I won't say it's not going to happen, but it's not exactly at the top of our todo list <----- i put it in my ppa; just copy it to the mythbuntu ppa: https://launchpad.net/~daniel-gimpelevich/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/3440172/+listing-archive-extra
[00:04] <tgm4883> DonkeyHotei, I saw that but haven't looked at it much. We'd have to be able to build it for more than quantal
[00:04] <DonkeyHotei> i picked quantal because the latest XBMCbuntu is quantal-based
[00:05] <DonkeyHotei> just change the changelog when you upload
[00:05] <DonkeyHotei> build it for all the releases you build everything else for
[00:05] <DonkeyHotei> tgm4883: should work as-is
[00:06] <tgm4883> DonkeyHotei, that is DKMS enabled right? We should only need to build it once for each release?
[00:07] <DonkeyHotei> right
[00:23] <DonkeyHotei> tgm4883: dkms conf by yours truly
[04:27] <jya> this LIRC in 12.04 really gave me the crap… So it suddenly decided to work after a reboot, worked for about 6 months. yesterday I plugged a USB->232 adapter , and now it doesn't work. Remove the usb adapter, rebooted dozen times, refuses to work again...
[19:11] <DonkeyHotei> tgm4883: so, are you gonna grab the pkg?
[19:12] <tgm4883> I was going to have superm1 take a look at it
[19:13] <DonkeyHotei> he seems afk
[19:14] <tgm4883> yea, i'll grab it and put it on our experimental PPA
[19:15] <DonkeyHotei> how long would it be quarantined there?
[19:16] <tgm4883> at least until someone can review it
[19:17] <DonkeyHotei> i take it that wouldn't be long
[19:21] <DonkeyHotei> tgm4883: right?
[19:22] <tgm4883> DonkeyHotei, probably not too long
[19:22] <tgm4883> DonkeyHotei, do you also have a bzr branch of it somewhere?
[19:33] <DonkeyHotei> no, i simply pkged and uploaded
[19:33] <DonkeyHotei> you can create one
[19:34] <DonkeyHotei> upload it for more than just quantal
[19:35] <DonkeyHotei> tgm4883: feel free; it's gpl
[20:52] <DonkeyHotei> tgm4883: your upload will build in an hour; got bzr?
[20:52] <tgm4883> DonkeyHotei, I'll pull the source package down and take a look at it
[20:53] <tgm4883> I'll need to do that to build for multiple releases


[00:10] <EvilBill> SpamapS: Cool, I'll have to dig into that later then.
[00:32]  * nijaba is back (temporarily)
[00:38] <SpamapS> EvilBill: its not something I've done.. but I have been trying to figure out ways to try out orchestra + openstack with < 6 machines available. ;)
[00:38]  * SpamapS looks around for a fork to have stuck in him.. just about done
[05:19] <zirpu> negronjl: are you going to post your slides from mongosv?
[06:13] <_mup_> juju/ssh-known_hosts r436 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:13] <_mup_> Key injection, a start
[10:48] <nijaba> has anyone worked with peer relations? I have 2 questions about those:
[10:50] <nijaba> (1) if all peers in a relation die and I start a new unit for them, do I get access back to relation variables that were set previously for it?
[10:50] <nijaba> (2) how can I copy a file from one peer to another?
[17:02]  * marcoceppi PROMULGATE PROMULGATE in best Dalek voice
[17:09] <mchenetz> trying to use local provider, the machine is up, but doing, "juju ssh 0", gives me a connection refused. Is there not a ssh server by default? Do i have to use a charm first?
[17:23] <mchenetz> sorry, got disconnected. Let me ask this one more time
[17:24] <mchenetz> trying to use local provider, the machine is up, but doing, "juju ssh 0", gives me a connection refused. Is there not a ssh server by default? Do i have to use a charm first
[18:23] <mchenetz> how do you get rid of state:pending under units?
[18:29] <mchenetz> never mind... just took time :-)


[00:48] <slick> exit
[15:48] <dougl> anyone know where the screen saver is on xfce?
[16:25] <pmjdebruijn> dougl: i'm not sure a "screensaver" is shipped by default
[16:25] <pmjdebruijn> it's just lightlocker
[16:25] <pmjdebruijn> which blanks your screen I guess
[16:26] <dougl> pmjdebruijn, thank you for the insight
[16:27] <pmjdebruijn> I don't have a xubuntu machine handy so I can't check
[16:28] <pmjdebruijn> so this is just off the top of my head
[16:28] <pmjdebruijn> screensaver are a bit of a futile thing
[16:28] <pmjdebruijn> at least they were
[16:28] <pmjdebruijn> nowaway there very counter productive with regard to power saving :)
[16:28] <pmjdebruijn> which is probably why we see them less and less :)
[16:36] <dougl> I found it pmjdebruijn - it was under settings off the main start button... yes not saving much power these days I just use them save monitors wear and tear
[16:44] <pmjdebruijn> you mean CRTs?
[16:44] <pmjdebruijn> because LCDs don't really do burn in
[16:45] <pmjdebruijn> the only thing that saves "wear and tear" on an LCD is turning off the backlight, which essentially is powersaving
[16:45] <pmjdebruijn> which xubuntu should already do by default


[00:26] <talktalk2017> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/09/25/ubucon-europe-2017/
[15:15] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Alternate amd64 [Artful Final Beta] (20170927) has been added
[15:15] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Alternate i386 [Artful Final Beta] (20170927) has been added
[20:58] <tsimonq2> JulienLavergnegi: Hey there :)
[20:58] <tsimonq2> JulienLavergnegi: Are you on a vacation of some sort at the moment?
[21:06] <JulienLavergnegi> Unfortunately no, busy at work and with others projects
 Ok


[12:31] <mamarley> ricotz: Is there any reason not to go ahead and copy 361.18 to the main PPA?
[12:34] <ricotz> mamarley, it should be fine if you kept an eye on the packaging differences e.g. trusty
[13:07] <mamarley> ricotz: Yep, I created the package for each distro version by updating the previous driver version from that distro, so all changes are preserved.  The packaging for Vivid, Wily, and Xenial is exactly the same though.
[13:22] <mamarley> Darn, looks like the armhf builds are still failing because of the file path differences between the amd64/i386 drivers and the armhf ones.


[00:44] <xarlos> Other than baking it into another image - doesn't seem to be a nice way to inject it :/
[08:27] <stickupkid> manadart_, precursor to set-series work https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12786
[08:28] <stickupkid> still about 1/3 of the way in here :-o
[14:27] <stickupkid_> manadart_, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12792
[14:53] <stickupkid_> manadart_, ready for re-review https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12786
[15:57] <stickupkid_> manadart_, fixed, required iterating through the subordinates as well https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12786


[11:18] <flocculant> jibel: thanks for the offer of help - but given it requires some coding - you''ll never have enough time to help me :D
[11:23] <jibel> flocculant, yw. Although, just deploying the tests for a flavor doesn't require coding.
[11:23] <jibel> flocculant, there is an example here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa-jenkins/qa-jenkins-jobs/trunk/view/head:/jobs/ubiquity/jobs.yaml in the task 'run-ubiquity-test'
[11:23] <flocculant> jibel: ok - I'll have a look when back properly from work :)
[11:24] <jibel> flocculant, np, enjoy your work :)
[11:24] <flocculant> this is mostly the reason I concentrate on the manual testcase branch :D
[23:25] <unholycheesecake> hi
[23:26] <unholycheesecake> I'm looking for some info on how I can get involved in QA testing. I've already browsed through this site here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam


[00:21] <wxl> could someone check on lubuntu live images? not clear from the logs what exactly failed but it definitely did http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/lubuntu/wily/daily-live-20150816.log
[00:24] <wxl> actually loks like the issue might actually be blueman
[00:24] <wxl> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/214636996/buildlog_ubuntu_wily_i386_lubuntu_BUILDING.txt.gz
[00:39] <cyphermox> wxl: I should be asleep, but I think infinity was fixing it before, rebuilding the metapackage
[00:41] <cyphermox> If you want a respin, please ask but since it's almost 3am, I'll go get my beauty sleep
[00:41] <cyphermox> ;-)
[00:41] <wxl> cyphermox: night cyphermox :)
[00:42] <wxl> and thank you
[00:42] <cyphermox> (I don't have access to respin anyway)
[00:42] <cyphermox> Ttyl
[00:42] <wxl> it's ok, i can do it
[00:53] <wxl> for what it's worth, the bluez issues are fixed, but we're having issues with a bunch of other libs. https://launchpadlibrarian.net/214665996/buildlog_ubuntu_wily_amd64_lubuntu_BUILDING.txt.gz
[01:44] <slangasek> wxl: that looks like an issue that's fixed by clearing out NBS binaries, so I'm doing that now - you may want to trigger another image build after the next publisher run
[01:46] <slangasek> (well, assuming the removal completes before the next publisher run; it seems to be taking a bit of time to process all the packages...)
[01:47] <wxl> thsnk slangasek. i'll probably just wait until we get a new image á la cron. it's nice to know someone's on it. thanks again!
[02:25] <infinity> slangasek: Guessing from that massive NBS list and the mail spam that a good chunk of the snag went through while I was in the air?
[08:42] <Laney> it went in!
[08:42] <Laney> now who dares to dist-upgrade and reboot? :)
[08:47] <xnox> python3.5 as default?
[08:48] <cyphermox> Laney: on it :D
[08:49] <Laney> nein, unity and everything post-g++5
[08:54]  * cyphermox tries and has reasonable backups
[08:55] <cyphermox> guess I should also take a quick look at the image
[08:58] <xnox> infinity: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/history.html shows a nice drop.
[09:00]  * Laney sees this for the first time
[09:07] <cyphermox> very nice
[13:37] <slangasek> infinity: yes, a few packages seem to have made it in
[14:06] <infinity> slangasek: "a few".
[16:14] <slangasek> barry: do you have some idea why frosted FTBFS in Ubuntu but not in Debian? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/frosted/1.4.1-1/+build/7385456  (with the g++5 transition through, I'm looking a bit at other stalls in update_excuses)
[17:51] <barry> slangasek: i'm not familiar w/the frosted package, but 'builtins' is not a built-in module in python 2
[22:11] <slangasek> barry: right, so why does a build succeed on sid but not on wily?
[22:12] <slangasek> barry: (translation: how can I make it so the build failure is the Debian maintainer's problem and not ours? ;)
[22:12] <slangasek> (altertnatively, to make it not a problem at all
[22:13] <barry> slangasek: unsure.  would have to spend some time on it
[22:15] <slangasek> barry: ok, probably not worth you spending a lot of time on it
[22:16] <barry> slangasek: i'll keep a tab open for when i get the transition done
[22:18] <cyphermox> slangasek: anything I can look at in priority in proposed-migration, or just pick at things to reduce the list?
[22:19] <barry> cyphermox: wanna look at some python3-defaults blockers? :)
[22:20] <slangasek> cyphermox: "priorities" might be looking at anything that winds up as a failed easy hint in update_output, if there are any that aren't haskell? :)
[22:20] <cyphermox> that's what I meant
[22:21] <slangasek> cyphermox: also, anything left on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/, and anything on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#python3-defaults as barry says
[22:21] <cyphermox> alright
[22:21] <barry> cyphermox: if you do want to look at py3def, ping me so we don't overlap
[22:21] <cyphermox> ok
[22:22] <cyphermox> slangasek: btw, I can haz multipath-tools review for the trusty SRU? :)
[22:45]  * cyphermox is looking at mlterm
[23:09] <cjwatson> phew, another haskell transition out of the way


[00:27]  * MrChrisDruif is off to bed
[00:27] <MrChrisDruif> TTYL
[08:03] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/Will%20Moorhead/ yay, someone used the template
[10:40] <MrChrisDruif> Good morning everyone
[11:03] <MrChrisDruif> I'll try to contact Ben or Joey from OMG to update the post about Ubuntu TV, seeing everyone thinks we want to create something new. It's very tiresome to tell every single commenter that we probably be using something existing...
[11:07] <AlanBell> don't worry about it
[11:07] <AlanBell> the commenters don't read the article anyway
[11:07] <AlanBell> they just read the headline, look at the picture and vent their anger in the comments
[11:10] <AlanBell> "This is purely business from canonicals side. They want to sell movies and music from ubuntu one. That is ok, but don't use the community for such commercial projects. "
[11:10] <AlanBell> do you feel used?
[11:11]  * AlanBell suspects the person who left that comment wasn't going to contribute anything of value anyway
[11:11] <MrChrisDruif> AlanBell; that latest link doesn't work
[11:11] <AlanBell> what link?
[11:12] <MrChrisDruif> For Will Moorhead's storyboard
[11:12] <AlanBell> where is the link that doesn't work?
[11:13] <MrChrisDruif> Ahh wait, it's just me =)
[11:13] <MrChrisDruif> I clicked the link in the mail
[11:13] <MrChrisDruif> Try added _ or %20 in links so they are continuous
[11:17] <AlanBell> what mail?
[11:17] <AlanBell> oooh, you subscribed to the wiki page
[11:17] <AlanBell> right, the link on the wiki page is fine, but your mail client linkifying it might get confused
[11:20] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, it did. I changed them by adding a space before the | otherwise the |sometext also gets added to the link, braking it again =)
[11:21] <MrChrisDruif> Could we have some kind of comment area on the storyboard pages? Then I could write down my thoughts about design decisions on the relevant page =)
[11:23] <AlanBell> possibly
[11:23] <MrChrisDruif> Would be awesome =)
[11:24] <MrChrisDruif> Or at least very handy
[11:25] <nandersson> Hi, Is this Ubuntu Tv a Canonical sponsored/driven project or is it mainly driven  of non-Canonical developers?
[11:26] <AlanBell> nandersson: bit of a mix
[11:26] <AlanBell> why?
[11:27] <nandersson> Im going to write a thing about it on swedish TechWorld, nothing big, just a small article
[11:27] <AlanBell> cool
[11:27] <nandersson> Does the idea originate from Canonical?
[11:27] <MrChrisDruif> Yup
[11:28] <AlanBell> nandersson: from Mark Shuttleworth at UDS
[11:28] <MrChrisDruif> Mark himself told about it in his keynote speech, last UDS
[11:28] <nandersson> Ok, that is cool. Then it is anchored with Canonical. I read his recent blog post about it.
[11:29] <nandersson> "his" as in Mark Shuttleworth
[11:30] <nandersson> I saw that Mark referred to your designs AlanBell
[11:30] <AlanBell> yeah, which was funny
[11:31] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, AlanBell is our main designer ;-) JK
[11:31] <MrChrisDruif> No, but seriously, he just put up a few design template were the rest of us can play with =)
[11:32] <nandersson> yeah, I understand that
[11:32] <AlanBell> nandersson: what I was actually doing was developing a framework for doing storyboarding, so making a template on which people could draw designs
[11:32] <nandersson> btw. Are you going to write this stuff with Qt? Unity is based on gtk+ today right?
[11:32] <nandersson> I read the thing about QML
[11:32] <AlanBell> I flung a few simple sketches on it to explain how to use the storyboarding framework, I didn't expect anyone to pay any attention to them as designs :)
[11:33] <nandersson> AlanBell, well you have to start somewhere :)
[11:33] <AlanBell> Unity is based on Compiz and the Nux framework which is GTKish and there is also the unity2d implementation which is based on Qt
[11:33] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed
[11:33] <AlanBell> I am not quite sure how Qt and QML relate
[11:33] <MrChrisDruif> But we are only in the conceptual fase at the moment
[11:34] <MrChrisDruif> Thinking about HOW it should LOOK/FEEL, not going into the technical bit of it
[11:34] <nandersson> Ah, so Unity2d is based on Qt. I didn't knew that. That is cool.
[11:34] <MrChrisDruif> We haven't decided what software we could build our solution on
[11:34] <AlanBell> it could be implemented as a Qt thing, or as an xbmc theme, or as an HTML5 page or something completely different
[11:35] <nandersson> QML is a Javascript markup language for writing GUI quick and easy.
[11:35] <nandersson> ...with bindings to Qt as I've understood it.
[11:36] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, great I guess =)
[11:41]  * AlanBell has a thought on how to add comments to the designs
[11:42] <MrChrisDruif> Yes?
[11:45] <AlanBell> link in a pad.ubuntu.com page for each one in an iframe
[11:46] <MrChrisDruif> Ahh, great =)
[11:53] <nandersson> Are there any plans to cooperate with existing channels? Like these guys do for example. http://www.livestation.com/
[11:53] <AlanBell> no plans
[11:53] <AlanBell> which doesn't mean there are plans not to do so, it means there are no plans
[11:53] <AlanBell> that we know about
[11:54] <nandersson> so the TV in Ubuntu TV is more like a media center than a set top box for Television?
[11:55] <AlanBell> I think set top box, or OEM integrated into a TV are possible scenarios
[11:58] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed, but we shouldn't rule out media center pc's as well
[11:58] <AlanBell> what is the difference between a media centre and a set top box?
[11:59] <MrChrisDruif> Well, a set top box uses hardware mostly not found in standard computer, where a media center is a dedicated computer but with standard computer hardware
[12:08] <nandersson> well, a set top box you can connect to your cable tv network.
[12:09] <nandersson> there are Linux-projects targeting that as well. V4L (Video 4 Linux) is (was?) one.
[12:09] <nandersson> You have (had?) devices you could connect to USB to get your computer to work as a tv, with all your channels. Hauppage was one hw-supplier.
[12:14] <AlanBell> V4L is a fairly low level spec for video devices
[12:15] <AlanBell> I don't think there will be much difference between a media centre and what is in a TV by 14.04
[12:16] <MrChrisDruif> Let's hope so =)
[12:16] <MrChrisDruif> But I think TV's will sooner go with ARM then with x86/x86_64 processors
[12:17]  * MrChrisDruif is listening to Karl Jenkins - Hymn Before Action [The Armed Man - A Mass For Peace] (1:30/2:39)
[12:20] <MrChrisDruif> I think they are already using ARM
[12:23] <AlanBell> sure, and I think that will be the chip that you would put in a media centre too
[12:23] <nandersson> Is there a link to the project? Do you host it on Launchpad?
[12:24] <nandersson> sorry
[12:24] <nandersson> I see it in the IRC-channel :)
[12:27] <MrChrisDruif> In the topic, yes =)
[13:10] <willcooke> Hi guys, AlanBell you're famous! XD
[13:19] <MrChrisDruif> Haha, he was already =)
[13:41]  * popey tickles ogra_
[13:41] <ogra_> geez, without sabdfls blogpost i wouldnt have known about this channel
[13:42] <ogra_> we need to make more noise about this !
[13:42] <AlanBell> he has his uses :)
[13:42] <ogra_> (and hi popey :) )
[13:42] <ogra_> at times, yep :)
[13:43] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed
[13:44]  * MrChrisDruif will be back in a bit *groceries*
[14:14] <willcooke> hey ogra_
[14:14] <ogra_> hey willcooke :)
[14:16] <willcooke> Good to see more people finding their way here.  ogra_ you're right though, we should make a bit more noise about this - and I'm hatching a plan right now.
[14:16] <willcooke> Just waiting for DNS to update ;)
[14:16] <ogra_> :)
[14:16] <seif> hey guys
[14:16] <ogra_> good plan
[14:16] <willcooke> hi seif
[14:17] <seif> did u have a look at http://media-explorer.org/
[14:17] <AlanBell> willcooke: see there are two storyboards now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Designs
[14:31] <willcooke> AlanBell, oh wow!
[14:31] <willcooke> Awesome!
[14:32] <AlanBell> the second one was from someone via the OMGUbuntu article
[14:32] <AlanBell> he emailed me the .ep file last night and I put it up
[14:43]  * willcooke check omg
[14:43] <willcooke> checks
[15:08] <MrChrisDruif> willcooke; http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/ubuntu-smart-tv-discussions-begin-to-warm-up/
[15:25] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha ogra_ , so you found us through Mark?
[15:25] <MrChrisDruif> willcooke; what is your plan?
[15:30] <willcooke> otp - brb
[15:31] <ogra_> MrChrisDruif, yeah :)
[15:32] <ogra_> and finding the ML wasnt trvial either ... someone should post some additional stuff on the canonical blog or so
[15:33] <MrChrisDruif> We've got a canonical blog? =P
[15:34] <MrChrisDruif> I practically only use omgubuntu as a source of information
[15:35] <MrChrisDruif> They do the scouring(?) for me =)
[15:39] <popey> http://design.canonical.com/2011/11/ubuntu-phone-tablet-and-tv-discussion-opened/
[15:39] <popey> thats where it was originally announced.
[15:39] <AlanBell> plus the keynote at UDS
[15:40] <Hydrar> Does anyone know what hardware is in current TV's with build-in DVR's though?(I came here from phoronix via Mark's blog)
[15:41] <MrChrisDruif> Haha
[15:41] <ogra_> Hydrar, usually MIPS based platforms, but i heard that sony also did some arm based ones
[15:41] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha Hydrar
[15:41] <Hydrar> Hey MrChrisDruif
[15:42] <MrChrisDruif> How's it going?
[15:42] <Hydrar> And ogra_: Intersting
[15:42] <Hydrar> Just came in here to check on if anyone actually *tried* modding in some ubuntu in TV's yet, or if it was just a development for shipping with new ones
[15:42] <ogra_> http://www.fxitech.com/products/ might be very intresting as a developer platform
[15:42] <ogra_> but its still in pre-production
[15:43] <ogra_> (they support ubuntu they claim)
[15:43] <MrChrisDruif> I think those manufacturers start to realize that using normal computer/tablet hardware in tv might not be stupid
[15:43] <MrChrisDruif> Seeing that developers don't want to learn something new again, and again...
[15:43] <ogra_> well, you dont want a fan in your tv
[15:44] <ogra_> which rules out most intels
[15:45]  * AlanBell runs atoms fanless
[15:45] <Hydrar> ARM is the way to go for TV's really
[15:45] <MrChrisDruif> ogra_; arm doesn't require fans to run afaik
[15:45] <AlanBell> but yeah, ARM is more likely
[15:45] <ogra_> MrChrisDruif, yep
[15:45] <MrChrisDruif> Not on my smartphone at least =P
[15:45] <ogra_> hehe
[15:46] <dmj726> not to discourage ARM, since I think it's a good choice, but TVs do produce considerable heat.
[15:46] <Hydrar> Only downside I see with ARM is the lack of proper open source drivers for driving display
[15:47] <dmj726> so simple power requirements aren't 100% indicative of non-usability of Intel hardware
[15:47] <ogra_> well, an intel would add more heat
[15:47] <Hydrar> What ogra said
[15:47] <dmj726> That said, ARM would definitely have huge advantage in standby mode
[15:48] <Hydrar> Power usage is one of the selling points of TV's these days it seems
[15:48] <ogra_> that and it also has a very good linux standing
[15:49] <ogra_> if you look at MIPS, you have some embedded distros, debian and no ubuntu support at all yet ... bringing up a full arch port isnt trivial and costly
[15:49] <ogra_> so for ubuntu there is only PPC, ARM and x86
[15:49] <dmj726> ARM will also be improving significantly performancewise per core per clock over the next couple years.
[15:50] <ogra_> it already copes fine with atom
[15:50]  * ogra_ is currently typing this on an arm netbook
[15:52] <dmj726> The only cause for concern with ARM *at the present moment* would be for encoding HD content as it's broadcast, which I'm not sure either it or atom can do yet.
[15:52] <Hydrar> Why encode HD content?
[15:52] <dmj726> PVR capability
[15:52] <ogra_> ??
[15:52] <ogra_> you just compress and store it
[15:52] <Hydrar> Oh yeah, I mixed it up with old DTV
[15:52] <ogra_> or do you expect us to broadcast from the PVR
[15:53] <dmj726> Lots of people like to time shift their TV watching
[15:53] <Hydrar> HDMI input would be raw, so the ARM would need to recompress it again
[15:53] <dmj726> ogra_: encoding is the compression process, no?
[15:53] <ogra_> oh, i forgot about timeshift
[15:53] <Hydrar> "Traditional" DTV that's builtin to TV's actually gets fed with a precompressed mpeg2 stream, which it can just dump to disk
[15:53] <Hydrar> At least, the one I have does
[15:53] <dmj726> Hydrar: That might be okay for broadcast
[15:54] <AlanBell> much more sensible to store the stream
[15:54] <dmj726> would be awesome if one could record HDMI input though
[15:54] <dmj726> would be great for doing with my DSLR
[15:55] <Hydrar> Yeah
[15:55] <Hydrar> Still, ARM is a pretty powerful platform as far as I know, doesn't it do more per clock than x86_64 in general anyway?
[15:56] <ogra_> yep
[16:02] <MrChrisDruif> Don't forget, the expected time of distribution for this will be around 14.04...TWO years time ;-)
[16:03] <ogra_> yep, and i know the arm roadmap :)
[16:03] <MrChrisDruif> I haven't memorized it ;-)
[16:10] <dmj726> The ARM roadmap is pretty agressive
[16:10] <ogra_> yep
[16:12] <tgm4883> MrChrisDruif, by 14.04
[16:12] <tgm4883> which probably means 18-24 months from now
[16:13] <dmj726> Of course for actual devices on the market shave a year off that for processor availability.
[16:13] <MrChrisDruif> 24 is how many years?
[16:13] <dmj726> 24 months is 2 years
[16:13] <tgm4883> sorry I wasn't actually disagreeing with you
[16:14] <MrChrisDruif> Haha =D
[16:14] <tgm4883> It was more of a clarification/added data
[18:29] <MrChrisDruif> For later reading: http://princessleia.com/images/journalpics/012011/samsung_tv_osl.jpg
[20:05]  * MrChrisDruif is back
[20:13] <MrChrisDruif> AlanBell; did you get back to the latest mail on the ubuntu-tv mailing-list?
[20:18] <AlanBell> have now
[20:19] <MrChrisDruif> Great =)
[20:19] <MrChrisDruif> Check
[20:21] <tgm4883> I am not a fan of the latest idea email
[20:35] <MrChrisDruif> tgm4883; you too? =)
[20:35] <MrChrisDruif> Making things hard when they should be simple?
[20:35] <tgm4883> MrChrisDruif, exactly
[20:35] <tgm4883> overengineering things
[20:36] <MrChrisDruif> =D
[20:36] <tgm4883> actually, i'm not even sure that is considered overengineering something. That is just not in the scope
[20:37] <MrChrisDruif> Well....yes and no. I haven't read it precisely (haha, funny seeing coming release) but it has to do with TV and controlling etc...
[20:39] <MrChrisDruif> Btw, 2) twice ^_^
[21:04] <AlanBell> I don't think we should be making decisions yet, just capturing ideas
[21:06] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, but still we can "discuss" these ideas ;-)
[21:08] <AlanBell> yes, certainly
[21:09] <Guus-> AlanBell: i have this cool idea for ubuntu-tv, take nokia n9 meego UI and make the middle screen regular television, one remote button pops up the applications
[21:11] <AlanBell> awesome, sketch it up for us!
[21:11]  * AlanBell has no idea what a nokia n9 meego UI looks like
[21:12] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Designs
[21:12] <AlanBell> and how to get pencil all set up for sketching your plans https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Designs/Pencil
[21:22] <AlanBell> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/28/ubuntu_tv/ !!!!
[21:33] <MrChrisDruif> Nice =)
[21:34] <MrChrisDruif> And again our grant-designer AlanBell in full coverage =P
[21:37] <MrChrisDruif> A lot of positive feedback news about our little team it seems =)
[21:37] <AlanBell> scary stuff
[21:38] <AlanBell> just been leaving a couple of comments on the article
[21:38] <MrChrisDruif> Seeing we only have been going at it for 2 weeks or something?
[21:38] <AlanBell> "10 inch" user interface isn't quite right
[21:38] <MrChrisDruif> Haha, 10 feet
[21:38] <AlanBell> it is a 3m user interface!!
[21:38] <AlanBell> silly mericans
[21:39] <MrChrisDruif> We used the right notation afaik with 10' not 10"
[21:41] <AlanBell> yeah, that is just almost unknown in the UK
[21:41] <MrChrisDruif> Even worse in Holland ;-)
[21:42] <AlanBell> only old people and people who work with Americans know about ' and "
[21:42] <AlanBell> and I only get them the right way round based on context
[21:44] <MrChrisDruif> Are you calling me old? =P I'm only 24 =D
[21:51] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, mailing-list already starts to explode =)
[21:56] <AlanBell> wow
[21:58] <imnichol> Hahah
[21:58] <imnichol> I did my part to spam you all
[22:01] <imnichol> Although we should all remember to be polite
[22:02] <MrChrisDruif> Haha, I also do my best to be a catalyst (freenode one)
[22:07] <imnichol> Wow it's really taking off
[22:07] <MrChrisDruif> Haha, yes
[22:07] <MrChrisDruif> I'll have a read again tomorrow afternoon
[22:08] <MrChrisDruif> I should finish what I'm doing and go to bed
[22:30] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, off to bed
[23:50] <imnichol> So, wow, that's a lot of words on the listserv
[23:54] <dmj726> wrt that Register Article, Linux actually powers dozens of Sony TVs.  The source code for said is published in a corner of their website per GPL requirements.
[23:59] <dmj726> imnichol: that is a lot


[18:31] <UbuUpgrade> Hi, Can you tell me, if my files are safe, if I split one large partition to 2 parts with GParted?
[18:32] <latsni> okay 'mdadm -v --assemble /dev/md0 --force' helped me somehow
[18:33] <reisio> Forbidd3n: this what?
[18:33] <wileee> UbuUpgrade, always be backed up, anything can happen at anytime.
[18:33] <Forbidd3n> the command's
[18:33] <reisio> UbuUpgrade: what wileee said, it's not 100% safe
[18:33] <reisio> it's pretty safe, but pretty != 100%
[18:33] <MicroAlien> ..
[18:34] <reisio> Forbidd3n: I think if you log out to the login screen, then hit CTRL+ALT+F2, then do your business, it will not complain about your user being logged in
[18:34] <arcsky> reisio: i have iwl in lsmod
[18:34] <MicroAlien> .
[18:34] <reisio> arcsky: you got a little wireless icon at top right?
[18:35] <arcsky> reisio: yes
[18:35] <reisio> arcsky: show your access point?
[18:35] <MicroAlien> .
[18:35] <arcsky> reisio: yes its there
[18:35] <reisio> arcsky: click on it and it asks for your passphrase?
[18:35] <Forbidd3n> reisio: I closed terminal all the way out and opened a new window
[18:36] <reisio> Forbidd3n: that's not what I'm saying
[18:36] <reisio> Forbidd3n: when you boot up, you get a login screen, right?
[18:36] <arcsky> reisio: yes
[18:36] <Forbidd3n> when I boot the mac itself?
[18:36] <reisio> arcsky: and then what?
[18:36] <reisio> Forbidd3n: when you boot whatever it is you're running
[18:36] <arcsky> it comes back to the same
[18:36] <tgm4883> arcsky: what does that mean?
[18:36] <reisio> arcsky: to what now?
[18:37] <UbuUpgrade> Can I ,and how, to spit the default Ubuntu partition, while working in Unity? The size of partition resize changes to same, if I click on the next box..
[18:37] <reisio> UbuUpgrade: what for
[18:37] <ProfMac> In Trusty Tahr, where are the network preferences stored.  (Not in /etc/network/interfaces)
[18:37] <Forbidd3n> when I open terminal it shows my home directory, I then to to ~/.ssh directory and then I log into the ubuntu EC2 aWS server with key
[18:38] <reisio> Forbidd3n: oh you have no GUI?
[18:38] <auronandace> UbuUpgrade: you can't alter partitions that are currently mounted, you need to use a livecd/usb/dvd/whatever
[18:38] <reisio> Forbidd3n: can you ssh in as root instead of as your user?
[18:38] <Forbidd3n> reisio: I am using mac terminal to login to ubuntu via command line
[18:38] <reisio> Forbidd3n: okay
[18:38] <Forbidd3n> reisio:  I do ssh as root
[18:38] <reisio> Forbidd3n: pgrep -l X
[18:38] <UbuUpgrade> ok. thanks. Does live cd eable the partition editing ?
[18:39] <auronandace> UbuUpgrade: you can use gparted from a livecd to edit your partitions
[18:39] <UbuUpgrade> ok, thanks.
[18:39] <Forbidd3n> reisio: what is that going to do?
[18:39] <reisio> Forbidd3n: same as those other commands I gave you that you ran, give us some information
[18:40] <arcsky> tgm4883: reisio it ask for pass again
[18:40] <Forbidd3n> it didn't show anything
[18:40] <Forbidd3n> oh mall x
[18:40] <Forbidd3n> small
[18:40] <reisio> arcsky: make sure it's asking for the wifi pass and not some kind of keyring pass
[18:40] <reisio> arcsky: and make sure you type your password/s correctly
[18:40] <Forbidd3n> reisio: what am I looking for in the list?
[18:40] <reisio> Forbidd3n: just that there's a list
[18:41] <reisio> Forbidd3n: if you run 'sudo service lightdm stop', that should stop the GUI and fix the problem
[18:41] <Forbidd3n> I see that list, what do I need to look for in the list
[18:41] <reisio> sudo service lightdm start to re-start
[18:41] <Forbidd3n> what is lightdm? not sure if we are on the same page here or not
[18:41] <reisio> lightdm is the service for the manager for the GUI
[18:41] <Forbidd3n> I have no gui
[18:42] <reisio> if you have no GUI, then pgrep -l X will produce no list
[18:42] <Forbidd3n> pgrep -l X shows no list
[18:42] <Forbidd3n> preg -l x does
[18:43] <Forbidd3n> so there is no list
[18:43] <reisio> o-k
[18:43] <reisio> Forbidd3n: what command did you use to ssh in?
[18:44] <Forbidd3n> ssh -i {pem key file} ubuntu@{amazonaws}
[18:44] <MicroAlien> How can I figure out other IP addresses in my building??
[18:44] <Forbidd3n> it logs me in as ubuntu and then I can sudo su
[18:44] <reisio> Forbidd3n: can you use Root@{amazonaws} ?
[18:44] <reisio> Forbidd3n: can you use root@{amazonaws} ?
[18:45] <tgm4883> MicroAlien: uh, what?
[18:45] <Forbidd3n> no, I have to use ubuntu first, then sudo to root
[18:45] <reisio> Forbidd3n: might be simpler to create a new user, then copy any configs you want from /home/ubuntu/ to /home/newuser/
[18:46] <MicroAlien> I am trying to figure out all the IP addresses in my building was wondering how to get them
[18:46] <MicroAlien> tgm4483/
[18:46] <tgm4883> MicroAlien: out of curiosity, why would you want to do that?
[18:47] <reisio> nmap probs
[18:48] <MicroAlien> No specific reason. Was just curious
[18:48] <Forbidd3n> reisio: ugh! I can't even remove the user or kill all the processes it is using - userdel: user vmarketing is currently used by process 31082
[18:49] <MicroAlien> tgm4883: cant you shut down computers if you have the IP addresses? I was watching a youtube video seemed kinda funny
[18:49] <reisio> Forbidd3n: you might want to find the amazon channel: /msg alis list *aws* /msg alis list *ec2* etc.
[18:49] <tgm4883> MicroAlien: you need more than just the IP address
[18:49] <reisio> MicroAlien: you can do a lot, depending
[18:49] <tgm4883> MicroAlien: and this isn't really support either
[18:51] <MicroAlien> reisia: depending on?
[18:51] <MicroAlien> Oh is this a support channel?
[18:51] <tgm4883> MicroAlien: yes
[18:51] <tgm4883> !OT | MicroAlien
[18:56] <nug700> when editing "etc/default/grub" GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX, do I seperate entries with a comma?
[18:56] <fer> hola
[18:56] <nug700> like would it be GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="intel_iommu=on,iommu=pt"
[18:57] <Ree3r> Hi guys, tell me how to speed up this? [  5.438501] input: TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint as /devices/platform/i8042/serio1/serio2/input/input5   [   29.789397] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
[18:57] <Ree3r>
[18:57] <nug700> or would I use ;
[18:58] <keviv> Sorry, I know I just asked but I got disconnected
[18:58] <keviv> So I'm trying to install wine1.6-amd64. I keep getting this error http://paste.pound-python.org/show/X1TklbAs08OXcSjaRzzr/. Using `locate libvisual-0.4-0:amd64` to find the list file, it appears to be binary. Any ideas?
[18:58] <samfreenode> if I install Ubuntu with full disk encryption, then I change my login password, will my encryption password also change? I know it works with ecryptfs, but I don't know about LUKS
[18:59] <kirkland> samfreenode: your login password has nothing to do with your full disk encryption password, so no.
[18:59] <dans_> Hi! I have a ubuntu VM with many modifications, can I make it into an ISO for PXE booting?
[18:59] <samfreenode> kirkland: Hmmm it seems ecryptfs home encryption is a lot more convenient then
[18:59] <kirkland> samfreenode: indeed.
[18:59] <MicroAlien> So I have python3 if I download Java will it mess with python
[18:59] <samfreenode> kirkland: I use LUKS on Android and my login password and LUKS password change together automatically....
[18:59] <samfreenode> kirkland: It would be nice if Ubuntu did something similar....
[19:01] <Marksman> MicroAlien: No. Two different environments.
[19:02] <MicroAlien> Marksman: thanks
[19:02] <irreverant> i'm using ubuntu 12.04 live usb, ramdrive is set for ubuntu live, i'd like to reset the local password for a windows 8 machine on a domain.
[19:02] <samfreenode> kirkland: Is there anyway to do it like Android does it?
[19:02] <irreverant> What tool in ubuntu would allow me to accomplish this?
[19:02] <kirkland> samfreenode: I don't know much about the full disk encryption implementation (while I wrote the eCryptfs encrypted home feature)
[19:03] <samfreenode> kirkland: Oh cool, I really like that feature you wrote
[19:03] <kirkland> thx
[19:03] <samfreenode> kirkland: But I'm starting to think that maybe it's not very secure compared to full disk encryption
[19:03] <wileee> irreverant, windows issues in ##windows there are tools there.
[19:03] <irreverant> well i'd like to use ubuntu
[19:03] <irreverant> lets go for this question
[19:04] <irreverant> i'm having trouble getting the ubuntu os detecing my wifi card
[19:04] <Forbidd3n> reisio: ok I removed the user, recreated and changed home directory, now when I try to login I get - Too many authentication failures for vmarketing - but I believe this is due to permissons
[19:04] <Forbidd3n> permissions
[19:04] <wileee> irreverant, good for you, not a good idea is all, info is on the web, we are not really password breakers.
[19:04] <samfreenode> kirkland: My new HTC One M9 Android smartphone uses LUKS for full-disk encryption
[19:04] <Forbidd3n> I have the directory that I changed their home directory to vmarketing:vmarkerting
[19:04] <keviv> Forbidd3n: relevant username? xD
[19:04] <MicroAlien> irreverant: I had the same problem. Had to buy a wifi USB until the update for my wifi card comes
[19:05] <Forbidd3n> keviv: I have the directory set to vmarketing:vmarketing
[19:05] <keviv> Forbidd3n: Oh I was just talking about your nick
[19:13] <michael_mbp> Guys, I got ubunut 14.04 apt-get update && apt-get upgrade openssl saying it is already latest
[19:13] <nicomachus> samfreenode: I may be missing something because I came in late on this, but if you select full-disk encryption *while installing* Ubuntu, it use LUKS.
[19:13] <michael_mbp> but my version of openssl is 1.0.1f
[19:14] <samfreenode> nicomachus: Yeah then I change my login password and now I have to remember 2 passwords!!!!!
[19:14] <ioria> !info openssl
[19:15] <Forbidd3n> reisio: would you have any idea on why I would get this error in log - Disconnecting: Too many authentication failures for vmarketing [preauth] - after changing the user home directory?
[19:16] <Forbidd3n> if I change the home directory to /home/vmarketing it works fine
[19:16] <samfreenode> nicomachus: Android only forces me to remember ONE password
[19:16] <michael_mbp> ioria: is that latest?
[19:16] <ioria> yup
[19:16] <ioria> for ubuntu, i mean
[19:16] <michael_mbp> but 1.0.1f is open to Heartbleed
[19:17] <legionCyber> Does anyone know of reliable information regarding the latest Adobe Flash vulnerability and working exploits against Ubuntu systems running the affected version of Flash?
[19:17] <gansta93> http://a.pomf.cat/etpxvk.webm
[19:18] <ioria> michael_mbp, then, https://www.openssl.org/
[19:18] <reisio> Forbidd3n: probably because it can't login without its dir
[19:19] <Forbidd3n> what do you mean without it's dir
[19:19] <nicomachus> samfreenode: convenience and security are usually a tradeoff. Are you sure Android does that? I have separate passwords to decrypt and unlock on my phone.
[19:19] <Forbidd3n> the dir is created and is assigned to this user
[19:19] <latsni> Our server shoud send mails to our administrator unfortnatly our mail server uses grey listing but it seems that the ubuntu server doesn't support that when sending mails, is there a way to change that?
[19:19] <reisio> Forbidd3n: which dir?
[19:19] <samfreenode> I’d say Dustin Kirkland’s outlook on eCryptfs is quite realistic. I  don't see why file names are not encrypted from the start, but I find no  fault in giving people ultra simple data encryption as eCryptfs does,  even if the threat model is primarily computer thieves, presumably with  no crypto or forensics knowledge and/or need for such information.  However, outside that area of general protection, eCryptfs would
[19:19] <Forbidd3n> I changed it to /var/www/hmtl/assets/flyers
[19:19] <Forbidd3n> from /home/vmarketing
[19:19] <wileee> michael_mbp, was patched I believe, the packages were not renamed.
[19:19] <Forbidd3n> flyers is set to vmarketing:vmarketing
[19:20] <samfreenode> nicomachus: Maybe they are seperate passwords, but both changed at the same time to the same thing
[19:20] <nicomachus> Hm. That would be a security flaw, in my eyes.
[19:21] <Bashing-om> michael_mbp: Way back then "heartbleed" was patched within hours of it's disclosure . Your build info: terminal command ' openssl version -a ' .
[19:21] <wileee> like most issues, covered fast
[19:22] <nicomachus> wew open source
[19:22] <michael_mbp> Bashing-om?
[19:22] <Forbidd3n> reisio: ?
[19:22] <michael_mbp> yeah, that's how I'm getting my openssl version
[19:22] <michael_mbp> got 1.0.1f
[19:23] <michael_mbp> which according to heatbleed is vulnerable and I have a server in production with it.
[19:23] <michael_mbp> BUT the heartbleed site says it's not affected LOL
[19:23] <wileee> you were patched in an update
[19:23] <michael_mbp> wileee: ?
[19:24] <wileee> michael_mbp, look on the web dude
[19:24] <michael_mbp> patched in what update.
[19:24] <michael_mbp> you talking about the background security updates?
[19:24] <reisio> Forbidd3n: ?
[19:24] <wileee> if you're smart enough to build a server you can figure it out
[19:25] <Forbidd3n> reisio: any idea on why I can't login after changing the users home directory?
[19:25] <michael_mbp> wileee: not helpful when you talk about a patch, that I haven't applied.
[19:25] <reisio> Forbidd3n: that dir probably isn't owned by the user
[19:25] <reisio> Forbidd3n: sounds like you're in the tall grass
[19:25] <Forbidd3n> it is set to vmarketing:vmarketing
[19:26] <Forbidd3n> that is the user
[19:26] <Forbidd3n> I even tried vmarketing:ubuntu
[19:26] <ioria> 2015-07-29  http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2014/CVE-2014-0160.html
[19:26] <nicomachus> michael_mbp: https://askubuntu.com/questions/444702/how-to-patch-the-heartbleed-bug-cve-2014-0160-in-openssl
[19:27] <nicomachus> or also: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-protect-your-server-against-the-heartbleed-openssl-vulnerability
[19:27] <michael_mbp> nicomachus: Ah, I think what wileee meant was the apt package has been patched.
[19:27] <michael_mbp> openssl's built on: Thu Jun 11 15:28:12 UTC 2015 duh.
[19:28] <nicomachus> i got tired of reading the snarky back and forths, so I just googled. all taken care of now?
[19:29] <michael_mbp> nicomachus: I know, snarkyness doesn't really help, thanks although I had already found that first link.
[19:30] <wileee> all found on google, huh
[19:30] <michael_mbp> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/how-to-update-ubuntu-plug-heartbleed-openssl-flaw/ this had info about the built-on date
[19:34] <Bashing-om> michael_mbp: IRT heartbleed vulnerability : See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2280316&highlight=heartbleed as one source .
[19:34] <michael_mbp> ta
[19:35] <Pici> !heartbleed
[19:38] <michael_mbp> Bashing-om: nicomachus https://aaronparecki.com/articles/2014/04/08/1/how-to-test-and-confirm-openssl-is-updated-for-nginx-and-ruby-on-ubuntu-12-04
[19:38] <michael_mbp> so even though I kept seeing 1.0.1f, that 'built-on' indicator was the important bit.
[19:41] <jost> I'm seeing this in the output of df -h: /dev/sda1       917G  871G  4,0K 100% /home
[19:41] <jost> how can this happen, 46 GB of disk space wasted?
[19:43] <Pici> jost: by default, 5% of your filesystem is reserved for root.
[19:44] <Pici> jost: You can change that by doing tune2fs -m 1 /dev/sda1    if you wanted to change it to 1%.
[19:44] <jost> Pici: do you mean the folder /root?
[19:45] <jost> Or generally on each mounted partition?
[19:45] <Pici> jost: no, I mean the root user, and any processes being run as the root user.
[19:46] <jost> Pici: thanks, that was seemingly the problem :-)
[19:52] <RonWhoCares> I can't resize my windows.  Any suggestions?  I just ran anupdate
[20:09] <[TK]D-Fender> Quick question : looking to use Ubuntu desktop as a HOME server.  Basically Dektop for HTPC purposes, and run KVM for some small VM's, Samba for file serving, and maybe another small thing or two.  Any particular gotchas in trying to use the desktop version in this manner?
[20:10] <reisio> [TK]D-Fender: nope
[20:10] <tgm4883> [TK]D-Fender: the only difference between the desktop and server version is that the desktop contains a desktop
[20:11] <TJ-> [TK]D-Fender: possibly response latency - you might want to use the lowlatency rather than generic kernel build
[20:11] <[TK]D-Fender> And as enabling standard root login?
[20:11] <[TK]D-Fender> as for*
[20:11] <sn0w3> Is it possible to enable root login in Ubuntu ?
[20:11] <[TK]D-Fender> nothing special beyond the common instructions already out there?
[20:12] <TJ-> sn0w3: Anything is possible; whether it is advisable is another matter
[20:12] <[TK]D-Fender> I have found a few guides for a version or two behind while I presume are largely compatible if not as-is
[20:12] <[TK]D-Fender> basically I'm acquiring a nice box I'd like to run as a general-purpose server and as my HTPC rig so as not to need extra boxes.
[20:18] <Guest93232> Hello Drone`
[20:19] <Guest93232> How are you today Drone`?
[20:19] <nicomachus> Guest93232: Drone` is... a drone. and will not respond.
[20:19] <Guest93232> nicomachus and what are you?
[20:20] <nicomachus> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEB45OAnixU
[20:20] <tgm4883> !OT | Guest93232
[20:21] <Guest93232> ok tgm4883 is it a small task to shrink the current ubuntu install to a minimal size and copy it to a cdrom?
[20:21] <nicomachus> the current Ubuntu iso is too large for a CD-Rom, but will fit on a DVD-Rom.
[20:21] <tgm4883> Guest93232: A CDROM? you'd have to remove quite a bit of stuff
[20:22] <reisio> use the minimalcd/mini image
[20:22] <Guest93232> tgm4883 Yes, I want the compiler and keys. I want to install something updated on the machine but want to keep this old stuff as a reference archive.
[20:23] <sn0w3> Still anyone having CDROM ??
[20:23] <sn0w3> Lol
[20:23] <tgm4883> Guest93232: so you want to backup the current install and install a newer version?
[20:23] <tgm4883> sn0w3: yes, many people do
[20:23] <sn0w3> Lucky you did not ask Ubuntu in a floppy.. Lol
[20:24] <MonkeyDust> sn0w3  yes, a technical rescue disk
[20:24] <tgm4883> sn0w3: getting pretty off topic
[20:24] <Guest93232> tgm4883 I want the backup to cdrom and I will install another distro.
[20:25] <tgm4883> Guest93232: if your install is small enough, you could use clonezilla
[20:25] <Guest93232> Is it practicle to boot from something live and do a dd to cdrom?
[20:26] <Guest93232> tgm4883 what does clonezilla do?
[20:26] <tgm4883> Guest93232: no, I don't believe that would work
[20:26] <tgm4883> !clonezilla | Guest93232
[20:26] <tgm4883> hmm, could have sworn that was a factoid
[20:26] <tgm4883> Guest93232: http://clonezilla.org/
[20:27] <Guest93232> The problem is that it has a custom crypto setup.
[20:28] <nicomachus> eek
[20:28] <Guest93232> So it is very difficult to resize the partitions.
[20:29] <Daniel070189> hi everyone
[20:29] <nicomachus> no other media handy that you can back it up to? usb?
[20:29] <Guest93232> Yes I have usb media however it is not apropriate for archiving.
[20:29] <Daniel070189> pidgin is best
[20:29] <TJ-> Guest93232: if it is LUKS, as long as the header remains intact resizing (shrinking) the decrypted block device is fine
[20:29] <reisio> Guest93232: works fine, if you have enough devices
[20:30] <Daniel070189> alguem do brasil
[20:30] <Pici> !br | Daniel070189
[20:31] <TJ-> Guest93232: e.g. /dev/sda5 = 100G LUKS/dm-crypt -> decrypts to /dev/mapper/file-system which has 85GB free. Shrink /dev/mapper/file-system to its minimum and back-up the FS, *not* /dev/sda5
[20:32] <Guest93232> TJ the custom crypto is loopy.
[20:32] <TJ-> Guest93232: at some point te block device has to be presented decrypted; back that up
[20:32] <Rafen> Is there a program that takes ubuntu commands given via the gui and lets you see the command in a terminal..as its being issued?
[20:33] <Daniel070189> niguem no canal do brasil
[20:33] <TJ-> Guest93232: if the install is done via some 'custom crypto' then it isn't a standard Ubuntu installation, or something we can help with.
[20:34] <srathi8> \q
[20:38] <fRit_^> hello
[20:38] <jhutchins> Me, about two months ago: "awstats will produce spikes just like the ones that are taking 70 sites off-line every hour.  We don't use it, why don't we turn it off?"
[20:38] <jhutchins> Them, today: "awstats was running from two different cron jobs every hour.  I turned it off and it fixed those spikes."
[20:39] <fRit_^> hello, how can I .xades file decrypt?
[20:40] <orfeo> hello guys!
[20:40] <fRit_^> hello
[20:40] <orfeo> I have a process stuck on a remote server I need to figure how to identify and kill it. Could someone help me please?
[20:41] <n_blownapart> hi what is a shrunken VM instance as opposed to a skeleton os?
[20:41] <orfeo> hey, hi fRit_^ !
[20:41] <neurotus> orfeo: use top or htop ?
[20:41] <fRit_^> orfeo: hi
[20:41] <neurotus> orfeo: or is it more complicated case ?
[20:42] <neurotus> orfeo: just kill the one that is in zombie state
[20:42] <reisio> n_blownapart: both meaningless adjectives, IMO
[20:43] <n_blownapart> well, the skeleton term just means no desktop, right? reisio
[20:44] <reisio> n_blownapart: doesn't mean anything to me
[20:44] <reisio> n_blownapart: what's it to you?
[20:44] <orfeo> Sorry, I got disconnected.
[20:44] <orfeo> Where were we?
[20:44] <n_blownapart> I want to install a centos 7 VM on my ubuntu machine, via Vagrant, reisio. the "pre-baked" centos box is listed as shrunken.
[20:46] <reisio> probably means they either eliminated unused disk space form the image, so it has not much space to start with
[20:46] <reisio> or that it is compressed
[20:46] <reisio> and it'll end up larger than it seems
[20:47] <reisio> /msg alis list *vagrant*
[20:47] <orfeo> I know there is a process running but I don't know how to identify which one is it.
[20:47] <Bashing-om> jost_: 100% capacity in '/' : I can not help but be concerned that the /boot partiton is filled with old kernels. ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' , To confirm .
[20:47] <n_blownapart> thanks reisio
[20:47] <jost_> Bashing-om: it was the home partition, and old kernels are regularly removed
[20:48] <Serus> hi
[20:48] <Serus> my friend recently upgraded his server to ubuntu trusty
[20:49] <Serus> but now he's gettting errors with insserv when trying to update or install packages
[20:49] <orfeo> Hello?
[20:49] <orfeo> Could someone help me please?
[20:49] <nicomachus> Serus: what kind of errors?
[20:49] <fRit_^> hello, how can I .xades file decrypt?
[20:49] <nicomachus> orfeo: Not unless you ask a question.
[20:50] <Serus> update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults
[20:51] <Serus> insserv: Default-Start undefined, assuming empty start runlevel(s) for script `binfmt-support'
[20:51] <orfeo> nicomachus: I have one process running at a virtual server which I don't know how to identify and kill it.
[20:51] <Bashing-om> jost_: :)
[20:51] <yoierlied> Serus: yep. It's replaced by init.d
[20:51] <Serus> from what I see here, insserv is conflicting with upstart
[20:52] <Serus> is it safe to remove insserv and the stuff that depends on it?
[20:52] <k1l_> Serus: that insserv issues are from wrong scripts. please pastebin the exact messages
[20:52] <BitNova> hi guys, ive been having this really strange problem, i cannot solve it. the 'disks' program mounts all storage drives and usb drives as read only, after using sshfs command line options to mount a remote drive it worked. but then all my drives get mounted as read only. except my ubuntu drive.   When i click on a drive in nautilus as usual to mount it, it mounts it as ro, please can someone tell me how to revert back to the defaults?
[20:52] <Serus> or should I do something else?
[20:53] <yoierlied> BitNova: neat
[20:53] <orfeo> So, how do could I figure which process could be blocking my host?
[20:53] <BitNova> yoierlied ?
[20:53] <Serus> k1l_: http://pastebin.com/Mk8jq8g3
[20:53] <yoierlied> orfeo: killall
[20:54] <yoierlied> BitNova: big prob little solution
[20:55] <BitNova> yoierlied, can you elaborate? have you come across this before..
[20:55] <BitNova> im pretty sure i can force the drives to mount as rw in fstab.. but i dont wanna use fstab
[20:56] <orfeo> yoierlied: doesn't work like that.
[20:56] <Serus> so what do I do?
[20:56] <tgm4883> BitNova: with one of the drives mounted, can you pastebin the 'mount' command
[20:56] <k1l_> Serus: sudo update-rc.d mdadm-raid remove && sudo update-rc.d mdadm-raid defaults
[20:57] <BitNova> ok tgm4883, can you explain to me where on pastebin and how to do that on which site?
[20:57] <tgm4883> !pastebin | BitNova
[20:57] <Serus> doesn't work, k1l_
[20:58] <orfeo> If I reboot my server those processes just start restart as well.
[20:58] <Serus> The script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an Upstart job, but lsb-header is not supported for Upstart jobs. < k1l_
[20:58] <k1l_> Serus: yes, seems like the init scripts are a mess there
[20:59] <k1l_> Serus: is there some ppa or other 3rd party involved with mdam etc?
[20:59] <Serus> uh
[20:59] <Serus> I don't know
[20:59] <Serus> this is my friend's server
[20:59] <BitNova> yoierlied, please stop harassing me and swearing at me in pvt. can someone ban this guy?
[21:00] <Serus> how do I check?
[21:00] <orfeo> Couls someone point me to a ubuntu server channel please?
[21:00] <orfeo> Could*
[21:00] <k1l_> Serus: apt-cache policy mdadm-raid
[21:00] <auronandace> !server | orfeo
[21:00] <orfeo> Please?
[21:00]  * k1l_ needs to go afk for some minutes
[21:00] <Serus> unable to locate
[21:00] <orfeo> k1l_: I need the irc channel of it.
[21:01] <yoierlied> BitNova: You PM me
[21:01] <orfeo> k1l_: got it thank you.
[21:01] <Serus> orfeo: what's the channel?
[21:08] <Twigler> hi guys
[21:09] <ryanalexmartin> hi
[21:10] <BitNova> tgm4883, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12535188/
[21:13] <tgm4883> BitNova: is it anything that you plug in gets mounted as ro, or only things that are formatted NTFS?
[21:14] <BitNova> both.. my drives in my box are formatted as ntfs. and usb's as well
[21:14] <BitNova> this all happened when i was trying to mount a remote drive with sshfs
[21:14] <BitNova> which i eventually got right
[21:14] <Serus> k1l_: it's unable to locate it
[21:15] <BitNova> something with fuse.. and modprobe..
[21:15] <tgm4883> BitNova: that wasn't really an answer to my question. If you plug in a drive that is say, fat32, does it mount ro?
[21:15] <BitNova> i dont know. i havent tried another format
[21:15] <BitNova> only ntfs
[21:16] <BitNova> must i try another format on a usb stick to see?
[21:17] <tgm4883> BitNova: IDK, I find it odd that it's doing that, if it's NTFS only then maybe there is some setting with the NTFS driver
[21:17]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[21:18] <auronandace> BitNova: do your removable drives have some sort of write protection switch on them?
[21:18] <k1l_> Serus: "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" and "ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d" please in a pastebin
[21:18] <BitNova> auronandace, no they dont. everything was normal before. i could read and write, and mount the drives on demand through nautilus.
[21:19] <BitNova> like i said this all happened after i installled fuse and did modprobe fuse etc.. to mount a remote drive
[21:19] <tgm4883> hmm
[21:19] <BitNova> i actually uninstalled fuse, and then reinstalled.. because i was battling to mount the remote drive.
[21:20] <tgm4883> BitNova: did you reboot or unload the fuse module?
[21:20] <BitNova> i rebooted yes
[21:20] <Serus> k1l_: http://pastebin.com/nMuVPLmG
[21:20] <BitNova> fuse is somehow connected to the udisks2 ...isnt it?
[21:21] <auronandace> BitNova: fuse is file system in user space, i think ntfs-3g relies on it
[21:21] <BitNova> im sure i can force mount the drives through fstab.. but i dont want to do that. i want it to mount through DISKS. or nautilus like i said. and im sure i can use manual options under mount options in DISKS program, but i want it to stay AUTO. like it was
[21:22] <BitNova> so somehow the auto options in the backround of the DISKS program loads all drives as RO
[21:22] <k1l_> Serus: ok, seems like that is a bit of hickup which ends up in a circle of conflicts. lets try a method now:
[21:23] <k1l_> Serus: make backup of /etc/init.d/mdadm file somewhere; find line starting with '# Required-Start' in /etc/init.d/mdadm file, and remove string 'mdadm-raid' from this line; run command: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade; immediately restore /etc/init.d/mdadm file (and other, if necessary) from the backup.
[21:23] <Serus> ok
[21:24] <Serus> heh, he also PM'd me
[21:25] <BitNova> thanks k1l_ he didnt stop
[21:26] <k1l_> if a user in here gets harassment in PM from others user just report in #ubuntu-ops . the guy is clever enough to not PM the ops.
[21:26] <k1l_> he left in here. if he continues (since he already got your PMs open) report to #freenode so server staff can take actions
[21:26] <Serus> k1l_: still doesn't work
[21:27] <k1l_> Serus: new message? please show the output from the updates
[21:27] <Serus> /sbin/mdadm already running.
[21:28] <Serus> and it has dependency problems configuring the other packages
[21:28] <k1l_> Serus: can you pastebin it?
[21:28] <Serus> http://pastebin.com/e2eBTESM
[21:32] <BitNova> auronandace, ....
[21:32] <k1l_> Serus: "sudo insserv -f"
[21:33] <Serus> sudo: insserv: command not found
[21:35] <k1l_> Serus: "sudo touch /etc/init.d/.legacy-bootordering"
[21:35] <Serus> already did that
[21:35] <Serus> unless I typo'd
[21:36] <k1l_> Serus: honestly i think that somewhere in the past webmin did some stuff with the boot-init and now that mess is taken with that upgrades.
[21:37] <Serus> so what should my friend do?
[21:37] <Serus> backup the important stuff and get support to reinstall his server?
[21:39] <k1l_> i mean you could look at every init.d script that is mentioned there and test stuff. but that might take longer than make a clean 14.04 reinstall
[21:39] <k1l_> the "easy fixes" didnt work so far :/
[21:40] <ProfMac> In Trusty, some of the networking configuration information is not in /etc/network/interfaces.  Where is it?
[21:40] <k1l_> ProfMac: if its not set in the interfaces file its set in the network manager
[21:41] <Guest93084> hola
[21:41] <BitNova> guys please.. is anyone going to help me with my drives problem? :( they are all mounted as read only. i dont know what to do :(
[21:42] <dholbert> Howdy folks! Anyone know where best to provide feedback for the Ubuntu 15.10 installer flow?
[21:43] <dholbert> The "Help and Support" blurb is near-unreadable, with dark text on dark background: https://i.imgur.com/dX0Gz5F.png
[21:43] <k1l_> dholbert: mailinglist or bugreport since its still in developing state
[21:43] <dholbert> (just installed 15.10, using today's daily)
[21:43] <ProfMac> k1l_: Thanks, found the files.
[21:44] <dholbert> k1l_, thanks!
[21:45] <dholbert> k1l_, I think https://launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow is where I want to file that bug -- does that seem sane?
[21:46] <k1l_> dholbert: yes
[21:46] <dholbert> k1l_, thanks
[21:50] <Serus> k1l_: he could simply wipe the install itself, not the data, in rescue mode and then install trusty again, right?
[21:50] <dholbert> [I ended up emailing the ubiquity-slideshow mailing list linked from that launchpad page]
[21:51] <k1l_> Serus: sorry i dont know what setup that guy got there.
[21:51] <dholbert> [didn't end up finding an obvious place to file the bug]
[21:51] <k1l_> !bug | dholbert
[21:53] <TJ-> Serus: You might be able to fix the issues by un-diverting update-rc.d. check if it is diverted to the insserv tool using "dpkg-divert --list /usr/sbin/update*"
[21:53] <Serus> no output
[21:58] <TJ-> Serus: which Ubuntu release did the system upgrade from?
[21:58] <Serus> 12.04
[22:03] <potatomaster> is the ubuntu live cd secure if i just plug it in and do online banking then turn it off or would there be vulnerabilities that could be exploited in that short window
[22:04] <Serus> TJ-, k1l_, apparently his server died during the upgrade and he hard rebooted it
[22:05] <Serus> he's going for the reinstall
[22:05] <Serus> thanks for the help
[22:07] <nopf> potatomaster: nothing is secure in such a networked system, but i'd trust it as far as you trust the domain-CAs. unless your bank was hacked and tries to hack you
[22:09] <potatomaster> so I wouldn't be susceptible to like a key logger from an old vulnerability that isnt fixed in the live cd then?  it should be secure enough for an hour of use without installing updates etc?
[22:13] <nopf> a key logger should not be on the cd and not be able to creep in, unless there is a remote exploit, which is not that probable on a system not running services to the outside
[22:14] <potatomaster> perfect thank you nopf
[22:15] <nopf> potatomaster: there is the problem with firefox accepting weak encryption which might not be up to date on older cds, but as long as there is not evil middle man between you and the bank, this shouldn't matter
[22:17] <potatomaster> I'm trying to set it up so my mother can do online banking safely as she shares a computer with my grandmother who tends to click and install everything she sees, so it isn't really a safe environment for such things
[22:17] <potatomaster> and I'm not really a tech guy so I'm doing my best lol
[22:18] <zykotick9> potatomaster: <sidenote/OT> there is a security/privacy focused livecd project called Tails.  It's based on debian...
[22:18] <potatomaster> ill have a look at that too thank you
[22:23] <io__> ciao
[22:28] <io__> ciao
[22:29] <cluelessperson> I don't know if I can stand debian
[22:29] <cluelessperson> every other package I try to install and it can't be found
[22:31] <k1l_> cluelessperson: well, since you are in #ubuntu, use ubuntu :)
[22:31] <cluelessperson> k1l_, probably is, almost everything at work has been configured with ubuntu, so switching to debian suddenly for new servers may be unadvised.
[22:32] <tgm4883> cluelessperson: so.... use ubuntu?
[22:33] <cluelessperson> tgm4883, I don't think it's that simple
[22:33] <kimyl>  On a standard account I can't connect to my VPN without entering root password. How can I give this user access?
[22:33] <tgm4883> cluelessperson: how is it not that simple. You said everything at work was configured with Ubuntu, so just continue using ubuntu?
[22:34] <tgm4883> cluelessperson: that's litterally the simpilist solution
[22:34] <Forbidd3n> anyone that can help me with this, please?   Everything at work has DEBIAN, and I want ubuntu
[22:34] <tgm4883> cluelessperson: ah
[22:34] <cluelessperson> I'm thinking of saying screw them and just using it, but the standard so far is debian
[22:35] <tgm4883> cluelessperson: well I'm not going to try and advise you on your work environment
[22:39] <JOW> Hey dear fellows!!! I wanna detect and use a printer here at my lab, how do I do it?
[22:39] <JOW> =)
[22:42] <JOW> .... Come on guys... I wanna access my wireless printer..
[22:44] <JOW> okay, fine!
[22:44] <fRit_^> hello, how can I .xades file decrypt?
[22:47] <cluelessperson> christ, ubuntu even downloads like 10 times faster
[22:48] <cluelessperson> fRit_^, what is .xades?
[22:52] <potatomaster> seems like this place had a lot more activity 5 years ago, what happened?  just a lot less people using IRC?
[22:54] <SuperxMan> potatomaster: you should have seen 10 years ago
[22:55] <SuperxMan> *seen it
[22:55] <Bashing-om> potatomaster: I have heard the theory that more people are more familiar with ubuntu, and it is more stable now .
[22:56] <Rexter> Just a test. Who loves Ubuntu?
[23:06] <bprompt> potatomaster:    I'd think the opposite, more folks are on irc per se, many other "forums" have been developed that have proliferated the irc format, many are just called blogs, many just called chats,  and many sites provide them as part of their services, that's true of myspace.com, or facebook.com or blogspot or a plethora of others, I've even used it for live support on a webstorage provider, they offer it on a browser click in a
[23:06] <potatomaster> oh nice
[23:07] <bprompt> just recently stackoverflow.com   added their own live support chat/forum service as well, yahoo has had their for a good while now
[23:10] <bprompt> potatomaster:   overall however, the irc protocol is still the more efficient though, lower bandwidth footprint and lower memory overhead with much more customizability, but folks have other live chat/forum venues/choices they can use, besides irc
[23:21] <BigMao> Hey guys - I did a fresh install of Ubuntu on a machine with a 4K monitor. I've gotten a lot of the scaling to work correctly, except the mouse pointer is still having problems. Can someone suggest how I can have a mouse pointer that's twice as large as the default? Thanks a lot.
[23:33] <krispy> hello all, newb to irc, still learning BASH
[23:33] <bazhang> krispy, #bash can help
[23:34] <amigoo89> hey
[23:34] <krispy> thanks bazhang, i understand some of it, but say for example the man and help files...i dont understand the syntax
[23:35] <bazhang> try man man to start krispy
[23:35] <Rexter> BigMao, as far as I know, ubuntu has only very limited Mouse controls. I think you will be looking for a third part app.
[23:35] <amigoo89> I am trying to update my vsftpd on my linux machine, but no matter if I try apt-get update / apt-get upgrade, it doesn't upgrad to version 3.x, how can I get the latest version of it?
[23:36] <krispy> will do, im on my windows drive atm, need to get an irc client on ubuntu...running the gnome desktop atm, any recommendation on which package to install?
[23:36] <Abe> I use irssi
[23:36] <burstroc> hi everyone, i'm on lubuntu 14.04 LTS and i'm having issues trying to set up a linksys wusb11 ver 2.6 usb wifi adapter. the device shows up in lsusb and iwconfig but it doesn't seem to connect
[23:37] <bazhang> hexchat for gui, irssi or weechat for cli krispy
[23:37] <Rexter> krispy, I disagree with bazhang. My opinion is the man files are only useful to someone who already understands the command, but needs to find an option.
[23:37] <Abe> burstroc: you need an driver for the stick to run it
[23:37] <Rexter> man is more of a reference, you need a guide.
[23:38] <burstroc> Abe: i installed atmel-firmware and hal and that got it to appear in my outputs, do i need something else?
[23:39] <Abe> burstroc: I don't know I would have to google about your stick
[23:39] <amigoo89> I am trying to update my vsftpd on my linux machine, but no matter if I try apt-get update / apt-get upgrade, it doesn't upgrad to version 3.x, how can I get the latest version of it?
[23:40] <Abe> Installing wifi usb adapters can be sometimes a pain in the ass
[23:40] <nlife> amigoo89 try synaptic
[23:41] <krispy> since win 10 came out and ruined my computer, ive went hell bent on learning a linux os. i gotta say linux is awesome, im kicking myself for not jumping on it earlier. i used to know MSDOS commmands like i know english, and thus was able to do a lot of advanced stuff and override windows...esp win 98 and prior
[23:41] <krispy> <<old school lol
[23:42] <Abe> burstroc: hey did you try sudo modprobe at76c50x-usb
[23:42] <Gale_Grim> 10 was over hyped, and has a bunch of shit on it. I would sooner take XP
[23:42] <burstroc> Abe: yes, it did nothing
[23:42] <bazhang> no cursing here Gale_Grim
[23:42] <Forbidd3n> Anyone here know how I can force a user to chroot to /var/www/html/assets/flyers directory instead of them going to their home directory?
[23:42] <amigoo89> nlife: it is for graphical interface right? I only have a shell
[23:42] <Gale_Grim> of sorry.
[23:43] <Gale_Grim> bunch of crud on it.
[23:43] <bazhang> krispy, this is the support channel, could you please take the chat to #ubuntu-offtopic ? thanks
[23:43] <Chaser> amigoo89: I would also try apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:44] <Abe> burstroc: I found this on your device https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/LinksysWUSB11 follow it. Maybe I would restart my machine after that. but you probably did that all already. cuz that's where I got that Information from
[23:44] <burstroc> Abe: yep, i followed all the "new" instructions, and i guess it's supposed to work now, but it isn't. :p
[23:45] <krispy> bazhang, was just making making small talk, ill keep things on topic :)
[23:45] <Abe> did you try to restart that helps sometimes
[23:45] <Abe> It did for me on some machines
[23:46] <burstroc> Abe: wait, i'm starting to remember things... is there a wifi device driver that i need to disable? *googles*
[23:47] <Abe> burstroc: yes I would delete all previous ones so they don't interfer with each other... but thats just my opinion
[23:47] <amigoo89> Chaser: Okay I will do it now
[23:47] <krispy> i had a prob running my cdrom and had to find a prog in the package that was defined as diagnostic for disk drives
[23:47] <amigoo89> what is the difference, between upgrade and dist-upgrade?
[23:47] <krispy> i know the wifi adapter would be more difficult
[23:48] <Abe> burstroc: wish you good luck
[23:48] <burstroc> Abe: thanks :[
[23:50] <Abe> well I try to assist as much as I can. but I can only help you with google things cuz every usb wifi is different. I think you will get it running at some point. hope that somebody has more experience here than I have with that. I can only google too.
[23:52] <krispy> going to reboot in ubuntu after this download is complete, being that im new to irc probably best to learn it on the OS im getting aquainted w/...thanks to all for the recommendation of hexchat as irc client among the other stuff
[23:52] <amigoo89> it still doesn't work...
[23:52] <amigoo89> vsftpd is already the newest version.
[23:52] <amigoo89> which is not true
[23:52] <Bashing-om> amigoo89: "dist-upgrade' invokes apt's "smart" mode to resolve dependencies and to install new software .
[23:54] <Techspectre> Installing Ubuntu on a UEFI machine in Legacy BIOS mode, need to use USB 2.0 or can I use 3.0?
[23:55] <Bashing-om> amigoo89: "which is not true" I bet that if you run 'apt-cache policy <package>' you will see that it is true for the packages that are presently installed .
[23:56] <Abe> Burstroc: does that help? : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1483506 ... I see you're not there anymore
[23:57] <wileee> Techspectre, the legacy mode has nothing to do with the usb on installs, use which works.
[23:57] <amigoo89> Bashing-om: I think now, that the reason is that I run ubuntu 12.04 and maybe it is only avaiblabe for 14.04
[23:58] <Chaser> amigoo89: :) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=vsftpd
[23:58] <Chaser> You can see the versions across releases.
[23:58] <Bashing-om> amigoo89: Maybe, run ' apt-cache show vsftpd ' see what results from the repo . - partner repo enabled in Software Sources ' .