[15:59] <jgrimm> o/
[15:59] <nacc> o/
[16:00] <powersj> o/
[16:00] <caribou> \o
[16:00] <cpaelzer> o/
[16:00] <nacc> do we need to remind gaughen ?
[16:00] <nacc> or who is up?
[16:00] <cpaelzer> jgrimm: already reminded
[16:00] <jgrimm> nacc, she confirmed
[16:00] <nacc> ah ok :)
[16:01] <gaughen> no
[16:01] <gaughen> I"m here
[16:01] <jgrimm> \o/
[16:01] <gaughen> just needed to get the irc commands up
[16:01] <gaughen> I'm ready now
[16:01] <gaughen> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Apr  4 16:01:48 2017 UTC.  The chair is gaughen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:01] <smoser> o/
[16:02] <gaughen> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:02] <gaughen> there are several action points from last week
[16:02] <gaughen> ACTION: rbasak, powersj, cpaelzer to draft mysql triage response page like nginx has (carried over)
[16:02] <gaughen> ACTION: smoser to write a release notes entry on cloud-init (ds-identify)
[16:02] <gaughen> ACTION: nacc to write a release notes entry on ipv6 netboot
[16:02] <gaughen> ACTION: nacc to write a server guide entry on ipv6 netboot
[16:02] <gaughen> ACTION: rharper to write a server guide entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init
[16:02] <gaughen> ACTION: rharper to write a release notes entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init
[16:02] <gaughen> or some other week
[16:02]  * nacc still working on the ipv6 entries
[16:02] <rbasak> mysql triage response page still outstanding; carry over please, sorry.
[16:02] <smoser> gaughen, you can re-action me.
[16:03] <cpaelzer> we worked on general triaging updates, but no on the mysql one
[16:03] <gaughen> so, none of them are ready to remove?
[16:03] <cpaelzer> once those general updates work well for 4 weeks we will get to annoucne them here
[16:03] <gaughen> okay, then you will all have the actions for next week
[16:03] <jgrimm> rharper is out today.  i know he has written v2 yaml support into the cloud-init docs, but not yet in the server/release notes.  please carry that action forward as well
[16:04] <gaughen> I'm leaving them all!
[16:04] <gaughen> moving on
[16:04] <gaughen> #topic Zesty Development
[16:04] <gaughen> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseSchedule
[16:04] <gaughen> release is next week!
[16:04] <gaughen> final freeze is Thursday
[16:04] <gaughen> that's all I have on that
[16:05] <gaughen> #subtopic blueprints
[16:05] <gaughen> #https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-z-server-core
[16:05] <jgrimm> done
[16:05] <gaughen> I see lots of lovely dones
[16:05] <gaughen> some in progress
[16:05] <jgrimm> anything open has been moved forward to aa series blueprint
[16:05] <gaughen> moving on
[16:05] <gaughen> you rock jgrimm
[16:06] <jgrimm> i'll update the wiki with the new blueprint url
[16:06] <gaughen> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:06] <gaughen> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-z-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:06] <jgrimm> nothing to spend time on there i can see
[16:06] <gaughen> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs & SRU/Pending Uploads (caribou)
[16:06] <gaughen> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-x-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:07] <gaughen> caribou?
[16:07] <caribou> yep,
[16:07] <caribou> SRUs looked over by STS :
[16:07] <caribou> #info SRU pending for : qemu, sssd, ebtables, sosreport, nfs-utils, unattended-upgrades
[16:07] <jgrimm> caribou anything new in that list?
[16:07] <cpaelzer>  keepalived (x), qemu (X) completed for me, all others still up in the air
[16:07] <caribou> jgrimm: yes, unattended-upgrades which is one I'm working on
[16:08] <caribou> and I'd like to bring your attention on a debian bug I ran over on this one
[16:08] <caribou> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=797108
[16:08] <caribou> just thought I'd mention it
[16:08] <caribou> that's all I have
[16:08] <gaughen> cool, thanks caribou
[16:08] <gaughen> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (powersj)
[16:08] <gaughen> #link https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/
[16:09] <powersj> Last week worked on documenting current state of dep8 and other package level tests for server-team owned packages here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/dep8
[16:09] <powersj> Filed bugs for a number of bugs for packages that do not have any obvious testing when building. Not perfect in detecting all types of tests, but gives us an idea of possible areas to work on.
[16:09] <powersj> I also got a mongodb and tomcat7 merge approved. This week I need the tomcat8 merge looked at.
[16:09] <powersj> Also this week I want to finish a couple cloud-init merges for pylint clean up, get the manual CI launcher job ready, and start in on figuring out how to do auto-landing of git+launchpad jobs. Some curtin job triage as well.
[16:10] <powersj> questions? comments?
[16:10] <gaughen> thank you powersj
[16:10] <gaughen> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee)
[16:10] <gaughen> not sure we'll have kernel team today as they're sprinting
[16:10] <jgrimm> ah
[16:10] <gaughen> so I'll give it one more second and then I'm moving on
[16:11] <gaughen> #topic Upcoming Call For Papers
[16:11] <gaughen> #link https://lwn.net/Calendar/Monthly/cfp/
[16:11] <jgrimm> nada
[16:11] <gaughen> not sure there's anything worth noting
[16:11] <gaughen> moving o
[16:11] <gaughen> n
[16:11] <gaughen> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:11] <jgrimm> nacc, bug squashing day
[16:11] <gaughen> oooh, an event!
[16:12] <nacc> yep, tomorrow
[16:12] <nacc> USBSD #2
[16:12] <gaughen> how did the first one go?
[16:12] <jgrimm> any prep or help needed?
[16:12] <nacc> gaughen: pretty well, mostly team members rather than community
[16:12] <nacc> gaughen: but sets a good precedent
[16:12] <gaughen> agreed
[16:12] <nacc> jgrimm: nothing right now, i'll send another reminder email today with link to the pad, etc
[16:13] <gaughen> awesome
[16:13] <cpaelzer> nacc: two of those community which I brought in still work on their bugs
[16:13] <cpaelzer> which is great
[16:13] <nacc> yes, cpaelzer had the most success :)
[16:13]  * gaughen high fives cpaelzer
[16:13] <gaughen> okay, I'm moving on
[16:13] <gaughen> #topic Open Discussion
[16:14] <gaughen> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[16:14] <gaughen> next week - this time, this place - chair is jgrimm!
[16:14] <gaughen> #endmeeting
[16:14] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Apr  4 16:14:32 2017 UTC.
[16:14] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-04-04-16.01.moin.txt
[16:14] <jgrimm> wheee \o/
[16:14] <jgrimm> thanks gaughen
[16:14] <caribou> thanks!
[16:14] <powersj> thanks gaughen
[16:15] <gaughen> no problem-o


[11:52] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:18] <santa_> hi everyone
[13:20] <santa_> RikMills: kio is out of sync in git, also thanks for the fix in question :)
[13:21] <santa_> that being said, I have been working on a couple of fixes for KA, but I haven't finished yet
[13:21] <santa_> one is to avoid gbp-archive crashing when you disable signing (very unusual use case)
[13:23] <santa_> the other one is a bit more relevant, it's meant to add support for upstream signatures
[13:25] <santa_> RikMills: if you have time I would like to discuss later how to use this feature ↑ in the beginning of jj cycle
[13:25] <santa_> (later today or another day)
[13:46] <RikMills> santa_: I pushed kio git 5hrs ago
[13:46] <RikMills> the rest, not sure if I can do today yet
[13:47] <santa_> no problem, I still need to finish the KA things
[13:47] <santa_> also it's not extremely urgent
[13:48] <santa_> nice, now I have kio updated in my local clones


[00:43] <philsf> I can't make the guest account work from the fusa applet in latest jaunty, how can I debug it, run from command-line?
[00:46] <chrisccoulson> what's not working exactly? what happens?
[00:49] <philsf> screen blanks, seems to prepare to open the new session, flickers then returns to the previous open session
[01:44] <wamcvey> Hey, anyone here actually an Ubuntu desktop developer?
[01:45] <wamcvey> ok... I'll get less picky... anyone actually here?
[01:51] <wamcvey> Well... assuming that someone will eventually see what I type into this channel... could the desktop team *please* have someone look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/216550  I would be happy to work with anyone who is interested in actually getting some movement forward on this bug (e.g. assigned to someone would be *great*).
[01:52] <wamcvey> just as a bit of context... it's a bug that's been around for over a year now... and reportedly is still an issue in Jaunty.
[08:11] <pitti> Good morning
[08:15] <celthunder> pitti, good morning to you too
[09:21] <Keybuk> pitti: summit gets that information from LP, yes
[09:21] <pitti> Keybuk: ah, nice
[09:21] <Keybuk> fiddling in summit doesn't get merged with LP, obviously
[09:21] <Keybuk> there's no API for blueprints yet
[13:21] <chrisccoulson> pitti - just saw your comment on bug 346912, and noticed you added a jaunty task
[13:22] <chrisccoulson> i've been spending a fair bit of time on #tracker, and I get the impression that the corruption issues require quite big changes to tracker, so it's unlikely to be fixed in Jaunty
[13:24] <pitti> chrisccoulson: it was already nominated, I just accepted it
[13:24] <pitti> chrisccoulson: right, that might be; we can still "wontfix" it in jaunty
[13:24] <chrisccoulson> pitti - ah, ok, i didn't realise
[13:25] <pitti> there might still be a smaller patch to work around it, though, like deleting the index if corruption is detected, or so?
[13:25] <chrisccoulson> the corruption issues are not that well understood upstream, but they believe it is down to the general limitations of qdbm, which they are completely dropping in 0.7.x
[13:25] <chrisccoulson> pitti - the latest version of tracker detects the corruption, and gives the user the option of reindexing
[13:25] <pitti> oh, we are using that? I thought it used sqlite or so
[13:26] <pitti> chrisccoulson: where is that option?
[13:26] <pitti> does it pop up, or do you have to open some menu for that?
[13:26] <chrisccoulson> pitti - it should just happen automatically. but there is already a bug report open for that, because it uses a notification with actions
[13:26] <kenvandine_wk> is there a way to corrupt it so we can test?
[13:26] <pitti> ah; so it should be a dialog box
[13:27] <chrisccoulson> so you get the standard fallback notification with "Ok" and "Cancel" buttons, which do nothing
[13:27] <chrisccoulson> there's a bug report for that, because "Ok" and "Cancel" just cause the notification to reappear again straight away
[13:27] <kenvandine_wk> i never saw that in the list of packages to fix
[13:27] <pitti> chrisccoulson: outh
[13:27] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine_wk - the notification was added in the upload this week
[13:27] <pitti> "outch" even
[13:27] <kenvandine_wk> chrisccoulson: oh... :/
[13:27] <chrisccoulson> i was going to edit the notifyosd wiki to add it as an application to fix
[13:27] <chrisccoulson> but i didnt get time
[13:28] <kenvandine_wk> chrisccoulson: tag the bug "notification"
[13:28] <chrisccoulson> i'll do that
[13:28] <kenvandine_wk> thx
[13:28] <pitti> so, silbs indeed got it
[13:28] <kenvandine_wk> so it shows up on our radar at least
[13:28] <pitti> is there a workaround to force reindexing without the dialog}
[13:28] <pitti> ?
[13:29] <kenvandine_wk> perhaps not even use a notification... if it is corrupt, there is no other solution
[13:29] <kenvandine_wk> right?
[13:29] <chrisccoulson> pitti - perhaps we could just patch it to reindex automatically
[13:29] <pitti> rm -r .cache/tracker/ or so?
[13:29] <chrisccoulson> ^^what kenvandine_wk suggested
[13:29] <pitti> chrisccoulson: right; I guess there's no other choice anyway
[13:29] <chrisccoulson> once the index is corrupt, there is no other logical way out
[13:29] <kenvandine_wk> probably dirt easy :_
[13:29] <kenvandine_wk> :)
[13:29] <chrisccoulson> i could perhaps look at doing that
[13:30] <pitti> that would be awesome
[13:30] <chrisccoulson> but i've got no easy way of triggering database corruption to test:(
[13:30] <kenvandine_wk> just look at whatever function is called when they act on the notification... and just call that instead of the notification
[13:30] <kenvandine_wk> chrisccoulson: i guess there is no test suite :/
[13:30] <chrisccoulson> one of the theories upstream that might be causing corruption is interrupting the indexer whilst it is updating the database
[13:31] <chrisccoulson> that should be easy, as tracker has no integration with the session manager
[13:31] <chrisccoulson> so you can trigger that just by logging out
[13:31] <kenvandine_wk> eww
[13:32] <kenvandine_wk> but... the db should be getting updated in a transaction, so it would just rollback
[13:32] <kenvandine_wk> i would think
[13:32] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine_wk - possibly. i don't know enough about databases to comment though
[13:32] <chrisccoulson> that might be one of the limitations of qdbm possibly
[13:34] <chrisccoulson> right, i've got to disappear now to travel home from work. i should be around when i get home though
[13:34] <kenvandine_wk> thx
[13:46] <seb128> pitti: how busy are you today? ;-)
[13:46] <seb128> pitti: I uploaded the gvfs,nautilus change for smb ad to hardy-proposed now
[13:46] <pitti> currently reviewing unapproved queue, then I need to prep release meeting, and then do the meeting
[13:46] <seb128> pitti: if you have some time to review the uploads that would be welcome
[13:46] <pitti> seb128: SRU was also on my list
[13:46] <seb128> the changes are the same as the ones uploaded to intrepid some months ago
[13:47] <seb128> so should be no real surprise
[13:47] <pitti> thanks
[14:09] <chrisccoulson> pitti - would you mind adding a jaunty target to bug 361205
[14:10] <chrisccoulson> that's the one about the fallback notification
[14:10] <pitti> done
[14:10] <chrisccoulson> thanks:)
[14:11] <kenvandine_wk> chrisccoulson: just dropping the index also solves the notification issue... 2 birds, 1 stone... good stuff :)
[14:11] <kenvandine_wk> chrisccoulson: don't forget to tag it though
[14:13] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine_wk - no problem:)
[14:14] <kenvandine_wk> thx
[14:24] <rickspencer3> ArneGoetje: asac: bryce: calc: kenvandine_wk Riddell seb128 pitti: what's the word on the street regarding the RC?
[14:24] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: quite positive
[14:25] <kenvandine_wk> twitter/identi.ca has been going nuts :)
[14:25] <kenvandine_wk> mostly happy
[14:25] <seb128> rickspencer3: looks good to me out of all those intel discussions but that's not a stopper and I think I read rather concern on this channel than on other places so let's see ;-)
[14:25] <asac> rickspencer3: plan to do my first post-RC bug round a bit later ... will report ;)
[14:25] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[14:25] <pitti> rickspencer3: as usual, tons of uploads in unapproved, trawling through ATM
[14:26] <seb128> rickspencer3: GNOME wise the amount of bugs is reasonable, nothing urgent or unexpected so far reported
[14:26] <rickspencer3> seb128: yes, I noticed that we seem to be more concerned about -intel then the bloggers and reviewers
[14:28] <Riddell> I think intel problems affect qt more than gtk for some reason
[14:28] <asac> pitti: fta asks whats the policy for bringing ia32libs in sync with RC status.
[14:28] <pitti> asac: no policy, but sounds like a good idea, if it can be tested with flash and some other usages
[14:28] <asac> is that a SRU thing or are we doing this a few days before release usually
[14:29] <asac> fta: can you upload the new package to some PPA so we can test it?
[14:29] <pitti> ideally we should do it ASAP
[14:29] <pitti> and since it's universe, it's not bound to CD freezes
[14:30] <asac> fta: is there a bug we can use to track this roll out?
[14:30] <asac> otherwise i can open one for you
[14:33]  * asac on call
[14:34] <rickspencer3> Riddell: yah, I noticed that the Kubuntu users have slightly worse problems
[14:53] <pitti> rickspencer3-afk: FYI, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus updated
[14:53] <chrisccoulson> does notify-osd send out a "closed" signal when it has finished displaying a notification?
[14:55] <wamcvey> Anyone awake here yet?
[14:55] <chrisccoulson> nobody ever sleeps here
[14:55] <fta2> asac, ?
[14:55] <wamcvey> was here last night and the place was dead quite...
[14:56] <wamcvey> I was hoping I could nudge someone to take a look at a compiz issue that's been lingering around for over a year and still doesn't have an assigned owner on launchpad.
[14:56] <chrisccoulson> which issue?
[14:56] <wamcvey> apparently the issue persists into Jaunty
[14:56] <wamcvey>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/216550
[14:56] <chrisccoulson> have you tested it in jaunty?
[14:57] <wamcvey> I personally haven't, but one of the followers (David Fox) has confirmed it still exists with Jaunty
[14:59] <chrisccoulson> i can't help you much further with that as I don't have much knowledge of compiz, and I don't really have time to test it out yet either
[15:01] <wamcvey> Chris, I understand... I asked over on #ubuntu and that place was a zoo... Was hoping this smaller audience focused on the desktop would have a more likelyhood of finding someone who can at least take ownership of the issue
[15:01] <mvo> wamcvey: I think this is a side-effect of a bug already filed, give me a minute to find it
[15:03] <mvo> bug #352656
[15:04] <mvo> hm, maybe not
[15:05] <wamcvey> mvo: yeah... doesn't seem like the same issue.
[15:12] <asac> fta2: ok. so what we want is a ppa upload, with a bug so we can test and sign it off
[15:16] <tedg> chrisccoulson: Ask on #ayatana, but I'm pretty sure it's supposed to.
[15:16] <chrisccoulson> tedg - thanks
[15:19] <pitti> davidbarth, MacSlow: you are 100% sure that the patch in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/331369/comments/27 fixes the multihead problem? "focus-follow" sounds quite unrelated to that
[15:20] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i've got a patch for tracker to automatically reindex when the index becomes corrupt
[15:20] <pitti> chrisccoulson: nice!
[15:20] <davidbarth> pitti: it does finish the job
[15:20] <pitti> chrisccoulson: this should make a fine SRU (doesn't affect new installs, since we don't install tracker by default)
[15:20] <davidbarth> pitti: the patch that is already in the release does fix the main issue
[15:20] <chrisccoulson> i could do with a guinea pig to try it out on now:)
[15:21] <davidbarth> pitti: ie the fact that we're now displaying bubbles next to the gnome-panel
[15:21] <kenvandine_wk> chrisccoulson: i can test that
[15:21] <pitti> chrisccoulson: put it in the bug and ask silbs to test
[15:21] <chrisccoulson> thanks:)
[15:21] <pitti> davidbarth: so you confirm it's the right patch? I was just wondering
[15:21] <pitti> davidbarth: (this is relative to 0.9.11, I don't upgrade to 0.9.12
[15:21] <wamcvey> sorry to be repetative... but is there anything more than I can/should do to try and get movement on the bug?
[15:23] <davidbarth> so 0.9.12 contains the one-liner
[15:23] <davidbarth> so 0.9.11 is the current version that fixes most of the multihead issue
[15:24] <davidbarth> the fix is really about enabling the "advanced" focus-follow mode
[15:24] <davidbarth> strictly speaking it is not a hard requirement for being multi-head compatible
[15:24] <pitti> davidbarth: ah, ok
[15:24] <davidbarth> it's just that the bug would be cleanly closed this way
[15:24] <pitti> davidbarth: the bug is chalked down for ubuntu-9.04
[15:24] <pitti> I'm fine with that cherrypick
[15:24] <davidbarth> which means? going in?
[15:24] <davidbarth> cool
[15:24] <davidbarth> thanks for our users ;)
[15:24]  * pitti uploads, thanks for confirming
[15:32] <wamcvey> Checking over on #compiz-fusion if/when this feature was added into compiz.  (it's still a bug in Ubuntu though but maybe I can solve the problem myself by building my own compiz. bleh)
[16:14] <asac> what was the trick get keyring unlocked automatically if i use automatic-login?
[16:18] <asac> nevermind. i made a system connection out of it ;) ... now no keyring hazzles on startup
[16:20] <chrisccoulson> pitti - my tracker patch seems to work ok
[16:20] <chrisccoulson> i flipped a few bits in the index to corrupt it ;)
[16:21] <pitti> \o/
[16:28] <wamcvey> FYI: regarding ticket https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/216550  , the vigo plugin to compiz (http://www.acc.umu.se/~janlert/vigo/) provides key binding for raise-lower functionality. I'll update the ticket with the info on getting it compiled and installed.
[17:05] <pitti> seb128: heh, cjwatson and you are on par on http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/bug-fixing/jaunty-fixes-report.html; but cjwatson has some more fixes in the pipeline; quick, fix something and overtake him :)
[17:45] <seb128> pitti: we should count jaunty-updates there too ;-)
[17:48] <pitti> seb128: are you experiencing bug 359392?
[17:48] <seb128> pitti: no
[17:49] <pitti> seb128: running with any special xorg.conf options such as greedy or EXAOptimize?
[17:49] <bryce> seb128: do you run compiz on?
[17:49] <mvo> seb128: or desktop effects ;)
[17:49] <seb128> xorg is rocking stable since the fast user switching fix there
[17:49] <seb128> bryce: yes
[17:49] <bryce> ok
[17:49] <seb128> no, stock xorg
[17:49] <seb128> I've no speed issue and never felt the need to play with options
[17:50] <seb128> it's on my d630, i965
[17:50] <seb128> I've virtual section in xorg.conf set from the xrandr capplet
[17:50] <seb128> but that's all
[17:51] <seb128> I'm using compiz but nothing fancy there
[17:52] <seb128> ie I'm only doing alt-tab and workspace switches
[17:52] <seb128> I'm not using the cube or any other combo
[18:28] <seb128> pitti: bug sent upstream = triaged for us
[18:29] <pitti> seb128: right, but the upstream bug is not very useful, it has about zero information
[18:30] <pitti> we got asked in the release meeting to at least understand it, since it causes a lot of unrelated bug noise in openssh and general confusion
[18:31] <seb128> pitti: so put it to incomplete if it lacks infos
[18:32] <seb128> pitti: it's either triaged or incomplete there
[18:32] <pitti> right, makes sense
[18:32] <seb128> pitti: I'm not sure to understand the bug description or the issue though
[18:33] <seb128> are we sure that's something that ever worked
[19:11] <mvo> seb128: what is the pci id of your vga card?
[19:21] <YokoZar> Quick "color of the bikeshed" question regarding Wine icon: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/tango-artists/attachments/20060331/63117187/wine.svg   or http://yokozar.org/blog/content/icons/wine.svg  ?
[19:22] <chrisccoulson> mmmmm, wine
[19:22]  * chrisccoulson goes to grab a bottle
[19:27] <YokoZar> chrisccoulson: are you using "bordeaux"-style glasses or "burgundy"-style (thin or thick)
[19:28] <chrisccoulson> bordeaux ;)
[19:29] <chrisccoulson> are your icons intended for any particular theme? or just to ship with wine?
[19:38] <nhaines> YokoZar: I like the freedesktop.org one the best, but I see that the yokozar one would match some other themes better.  Maybe if the first one had bolder outlines?
[19:40] <YokoZar> nhaines: tango icons (and they're both tango-compliant) are supposed to have extra highlighting in their smaller sizes (that is, the 1 pixel border/highlight isn't scaled down, but remains at 1 pixel when the image is 22x22 or 48x48)
[19:41] <nhaines> The first one looks more elegant and the one on your blog looks more... I donno, more like a tango icon.  :)
[19:42] <YokoZar> nhaines: ironic as the first was submitted to the tango list and the latter is pulled from Ubuntu studio ;)\
[19:43] <nhaines> hehe
[19:43] <YokoZar> but it's interesting you think the fatter one looks more elegant
[19:43] <nhaines> I love the lines in yours, but (purely subjectively) not the wide shape.  :)
[19:43] <YokoZar> oh
[19:43] <nhaines> No, I think the thin one looks more elegant.  But I don't like the lines.
[19:43] <YokoZar> you're mixing them up, hah
[19:43] <nhaines> I just realized I may have mixed them up.
[19:44] <nhaines> haha, sorry.  :)
[19:54] <pitti> rickspencer3: FYI, I added desktop startup speed to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSKarmic/Prep/Desktop brainstorm list
[19:54] <rickspencer3> sweet
[19:55] <rickspencer3> I suppose folks might as well go ahead and create blueprints if they wsih
[19:55] <seb128> pitti: good luck with that
[19:56] <pitti> seb128: ugh, yeah
[19:56] <seb128> pitti: I think we spent some time on that for jaunty and will not get much better result without replacing gconf bonobo etc
[19:56] <seb128> which is GNOME3 tasks upstream already
[19:56] <pitti> seb128: at least points 3, 4, 5 should be doable, though
[19:56] <pitti> seb128: ah, gconf will be replaced by dconf in 2.30?
[19:57] <seb128> pitti: that's the plan
[19:57] <pitti> nice
[19:57] <seb128> pitti: desrt is paid to work on that and will be at uds
[19:57] <pitti> not in 2.28 yet, though?
[19:57] <pitti> and, will it be any faster? :-)
[19:57] <seb128> the plan is to have be there but don't expect everything to use it
[19:58] <seb128> pitti: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2009-April/msg00028.html
[19:58] <pitti> ok, so potentially that's something we could help with
[19:58] <pitti> seb128: thanks
[19:58] <seb128> "dconf is very efficient. The majority case in accessing settings is reading (think about desktop login: 1000s of settings read, none written)."
[19:58] <seb128> pitti: ^
[19:59] <seb128> ups
[19:59] <seb128> "dconf is very efficient. The majority case in accessing settings is reading (think about desktop login: 1000s of settings read, none written). Reading in dconf is done directly from a memory-mapped file containing the settings in an efficient tree format and doesn't require an extra service to be running. The service is only needed for writes.  Communication occurs over DBus, of course. :) "
[19:59] <seb128> rather
[20:00] <seb128> pitti: I think the main offenders in gnome-panel and nautilus are gconf and bonobo
[20:00] <YokoZar> does dconf mean settings will become cross-desktop eventually?
[20:00] <seb128> I'm not sure we will benefit from any discussion there, nautilus upstream already said he's happy to work on speed issue if we provide datas of what is slow
[20:01] <seb128> YokoZar: dunno, depends if other desktops environment are wanting to use it
[20:01] <YokoZar> seb128: I guess my question then is should there be freedesktop standards for things moving out of gconf and into dconf
[20:02] <seb128> it will not have GNOME depends
[20:02] <seb128> the question is not about a standard, it's to know if other desktop which have something working for them are wanting to do the effort to switch
[20:02] <seb128> and that's not a GNOME question so dunno
[20:02] <YokoZar> ahh I see
[20:04] <seb128> pitti: your items there seem rather bugs than things which need discussion
[20:05] <pitti> seb128: well, it's not immediately clear to me how to keep a gpg agent when not starting seahorse with the sessions
[20:05] <pitti> since it currently relies on those silly env vars
[20:06] <seb128> we already start seahorse feature depending on gconf keys
[20:06] <pitti> YokoZar: with KDE4 just having introduced akonadi, I have only little hope :/
[20:06] <seb128> I'm not sure that' worth the 1 second difference
[20:06] <seb128> and anyway that's rather a thing we should submit upstream now and wait for comments
[20:06] <pitti> seb128: if your budget is really 4 seconds some day, it will
[20:06] <seb128> rather than a topic discussion for uds
[20:06] <pitti> (it's a whopping 3 seconds for me)
[20:06] <pitti> but anyway, it's just a brainstorm list
[20:07] <pitti> I'm sure there's some more things we can do to speed it up
[20:07] <seb128> well just saying that I doubt we will have better ideas in a session than right now
[20:07] <seb128> it just require somebody working on the issue
[20:07] <YokoZar> speaking of gpg and seahorse... I would like to talk about how we have three separate places where one might look for keyring prompts
[20:07] <pitti> I just can't commit to us doing 10 manmonths of upstream work, as Keybuk proposed
[20:08] <pitti> seb128: well, if the solution to seahorse or the xrdb stuff is already entirely clear, then sure
[20:08] <YokoZar> Applications-> Accessories -> Passwords and Encryption Keys, System->Preferences->Encryption and Keyring, and System->Administratin->Authorizations
[20:08] <seb128> pitti: well, it has been discussed at one uds and one sprint already
[20:08] <seb128> pitti: we had discussions, bootcharts and bugs about those issues
[20:09] <pitti> seb128: what was the approach for seahorse then?
[20:09] <seb128> pitti: I don't think discussing it again will bring anything new, we just need to do the work
[20:09] <pitti> right, sorry then; I wasn't aware of those
[20:09] <seb128> pitti: we have some feature starting conditionally in jaunty, for the gpg agent we don't have a clever solution yet
[20:10] <seb128> I'm not sure that a round table will bring it one if nobody has a clue on how to do that right now and didn't during previous discussions
[20:10] <seb128> $ grep enable /etc/xdg/autostart/seahorse-daemon.desktop
[20:10] <seb128> AutostartCondition=GNOME /apps/seahorse/sharing/sharing_enabled
[20:10] <YokoZar> We probably should talk about the UI of the key stuff though.  There are 3 different programs with key icons in 3 different menus
[20:10] <seb128> pitti: ^
[20:10] <seb128> YokoZar: you wrote that 2 minutes ago already, no need to repeat it again ;-)
[20:11] <dobey> hmm
[20:11] <YokoZar> seb128: I meant as a blueprint ;)
[20:11] <seb128> YokoZar: you can do that, there is lot of discussions about merging capplets, etc, that require upstream work and we don't have so much free cycles for that
[20:11] <pitti> seb128: well, that's not for GPG, is it? the gpg agent is /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60seahorse-plugins
[20:11] <dobey> i wonder if there will be more kde art people there this time
[20:12] <YokoZar> It seems like seahorse should be a capplet itself (or merged into one)
[20:12] <seb128> pitti: right, as said "some feature", we have no clear idea about this one
[20:13] <seb128> pitti: I'm happy discussing it again but I feel it's rather a technical issue than a discussion one, ie require work and thinking rather than a discussion
[20:13] <pitti> seb128: right, that needs to be done before UDS
[20:25] <asac> what can we do for bug 362836
[20:26] <asac> dxteam wants to get that fixed ... would be UI change (even if tiny)
[20:26] <asac> impact is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/362836/comments/5
[20:27] <asac> pitti: whats your opinion? or should i rather ask in -release?
[20:39] <pitti> re
[20:39] <pitti> asac: sorry, got stuck in my mail client
[20:41] <pitti> asac: erm, now?
[20:41] <pitti> asac: let's say I'm not exactly fond of that
[20:41] <pitti> asac: technically possible, if the docteam gives their ack, but I'd rather have a sabdfl exception for that
[20:56] <pitti> good night everyone
[20:58] <kenvandine_wk> good night pitti


[12:32] <PriceChild> What a crime :)
[03:45] <ubotu> Frogzoo called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:45] <ubotu> intenz called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:45] <ubotu> Gnea called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:46] <LjL> i can't monitor this
[03:47] <LjL> unless someone is watching i'm -r'ing
[03:47] <PriceChild> LjL, i'll watch for a short while
[03:47] <PriceChild> but I have to go in 20 minutes ish
[03:47] <nixternal> I am here
[03:48] <LjL> thanks
[03:48] <nixternal> can you apply a bunch of bans like gnea just posted?
[03:48] <nixternal> at one time
[03:49] <nixternal> /mode + b #1;#2;#3
[03:49] <PriceChild> the freenode staff should take care of them though?
[03:49] <PriceChild> I don't think there's a point banning ourselve
[03:49] <PriceChild> s
[03:49] <nixternal> ya, stats p
[03:49] <nixternal> heh
[03:49] <LjL> yes, syntax is /mode +bbbbb hostmask hostmask hostmask hostmask hostmask
[03:49] <nixternal> oh ya
[03:49] <LjL> (i think freenode takes 5)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> they should kline
[03:49] <LjL> i agree with pricechild though
[03:49] <Hobbsee> in which case you should call !staff
[03:50] <nixternal> whoa
[03:51] <LjL> nixternal what the hell :P
[03:51] <nixternal> I have no clue
[03:51] <nixternal> my screen went nuts and then all of a sudden it said I am changing modes
[03:51] <LjL> nixternal, have you checked that those hostmasks actually were bots?
[03:51] <nixternal> and I didn't even run a script
[03:51] <nixternal> hehe
[03:53] <nixternal> that is to much work
[03:53] <nixternal> wth is freenode when you need them
[03:56] <LjL> i really have to go now
[03:56] <LjL> quux is on /stats p and in #ubuntu
[03:56] <LjL> you can ping him
[04:05] <PriceChild> nixternal, shall we drop the +r?
[04:07] <PriceChild> why do you say that?
[04:07] <crdlb> they just hit #gentoo again
[04:07] <PriceChild> ahh
[04:07] <PriceChild> thanks :)
[04:22] <PriceChild> nixternal ping
[04:23] <nixternal> ya
[04:23] <PriceChild> I've got to be off
[04:23] <nixternal> roger
[04:23] <PriceChild> had a quick conversation with quux about it
[04:23] <nixternal> I am awake for the ops calls
[04:23] <PriceChild> will tell him you're the only one left :)
[04:23] <nixternal> cool
[04:23] <nixternal> yay!
[04:23] <nixternal> hehe
[04:24] <PriceChild> Oh and watch gnea.
[04:24] <PriceChild> uuu and also could you join #ubuntu-unregged
[04:25] <PriceChild> and clear it when you set the -r ?
[04:25] <PriceChild> nixternal, that ok?
[04:26] <nixternal> ya
[04:26] <PriceChild> Night
[04:26] <nixternal> g'nite
[05:12] <ubotu> bruenig called the ops in #ubuntu
[05:12] <ubotu> __mikem called the ops in #ubuntu
[05:12] <nalioth> i am NOT in a mood.  :(
[05:21] <LongPointyStick> nalioth: not in any mood at all?
[05:22] <nalioth> LongPointyStick: no, i'm in a FOUL mood
[05:22] <LongPointyStick> :(
[05:37] <Myrtti> morning
[05:38] <nalioth> hi Myrtti
[05:39] <Myrtti> it's raining, I'm depressed.
[05:39] <nalioth> what a coincidence, it's raining here, too
[05:39] <nalioth> but i'm not depressed, i'm mad.
[05:39] <Myrtti> you were supposed to paint the roof today?
[05:40] <nalioth> i wish i had a paintable roof  :)
[07:30] <Madpilot> Anyone here up to speed on RSS feeds & Planet Ubuntu?
[07:31] <Madpilot> I assume "http://blog.wirelizard.ca/rss.xml" will work - it does in a feedreader - but I knew zip about RSS and don't see any other links in the planet.u.c setup file w/ .xml in them...
[08:17] <LongPointyStick> Madpilot: should work
[08:17] <LongPointyStick> well, try it
[08:17] <Madpilot> seems to. I found a couple of other similar links in the planet ini file
[08:27] <elkbuntu> hmm... does this Lounge person seem familiar at all?
[08:28] <Madpilot> not offhand. Beginning to whiff of troll?
[08:30] <elkbuntu> when 'my friend pete said' starts cropping up, i'll let you know
[08:31] <Madpilot> mmk, "Yay I'm on planet.u.c" blogpost written - hopefully it actually shows up on puc ;)
[08:32] <elkbuntu> you're finally blogging for us?
[08:32] <Madpilot> I'm not sure who I'm blogging for, actually ;)
[08:32] <Madpilot> anyway: http://blog.wirelizard.ca/index.php
[08:35] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso will be pleased to note that he's won. He's been pestering me to blog for far too long. :)
[08:35] <elkbuntu> blogging is a tool. you will learn this in good time :)
[08:40] <Madpilot> apparently something worked right - am at the top of puc. Awaiting first comment spam now.
[09:06] <jenda> 02:30 -!- Netsplit pratchett.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: +Seveas
[09:06] <jenda> Not everyone can afford a private netsplit
[09:08] <Madpilot> heh
[09:47] <Madpilot> @pity tonyyarusso
[09:47] <Madpilot> !botsnack
[09:47] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[09:47] <tonyyarusso> lol, I love that on
[09:47] <tonyyarusso> e
[09:48] <Madpilot> "Mad Dutchnan"? My first blog comment, ever, and I get someone who can't spell. Meh.
[09:48] <tonyyarusso> At least it's not selling you Cialis
[09:49] <Madpilot> true, that. I don't currently moderate comments - that might have to change in a hurry.
[09:50] <tonyyarusso> I use Akismet for Wordpress - after I'd been live for about a week it became indispensible
[09:51] <Madpilot> there's a couple of different tools built into Pivot, and some more as extensions.
[09:51] <Seveas> Madpilot, yeah, I noticed the bad spelling too late :)
[09:52] <Seveas> jenda, you know I'm special :P
[10:56] <ompaul> Seveas, you should gimp your hair green
[10:56] <ompaul> match the grass :)
[10:57] <Seveas> :p
[10:57] <ompaul> or gimp the grass orange
[10:58] <Hobbsee> what's this?
[11:04] <Seveas> Hobbsee, ?
[11:04] <Madpilot> Hobbsee, Seveas's hackergotchi on LP - https://launchpad.net/~dennis
[11:04] <Hobbsee> Seveas: you're going green now?
[11:04] <Seveas> Hobbsee, no, ompaul is just crazy
[11:05] <Hobbsee> heh, nice
[11:05] <ompaul> I took the photo in spain, but I ask you to work out where
[11:12] <elkbuntu> no, i think he should make this his hackergotchi: http://www.flickr.com/photos/8294638@N02/499351468/
[11:13] <mc44> how very disturbing :)
[11:16] <ompaul> hmm
[11:19] <ompaul> http://www.flickr.com/photos/kikidonk/499593693/in/set-72157600217895060/
[11:19] <ompaul> more uds madness
[11:19] <ompaul> luisbg counted 20 crossing paper planes in one minute at one time
[11:24] <mc44> hmm did aoirthwhatsit get unbanned from -offtopic? :(
[11:25] <elkbuntu> heh /methinks someone's shutter speed was a bit low for that one
[11:26] <elkbuntu> mc44, i think he may have got a new ip lease. cant tell for sure, sec
[11:27] <ompaul> people question can somone keep an eye on spx2 in #ubuntu I am going to have to rest, not sure about his answers
[11:28] <elkbuntu> mc44, bans are still in place. it's a new lease
[11:28] <elkbuntu> ompaul, okies
[11:30] <mc44> i guess he decided to try again after being banned from -women
[12:00] <elkbuntu> heh, i didnt notice he got banned from there...
[12:30] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: pleia2 banned him yesterday if you are talking about that guy from -offtopic hanging in -women
[12:31] <elkbuntu> aoirthoir
[12:31] <gnomefreak> yeah him
[12:33] <Myrtti> HOORAY!
[12:33] <jussi01> Hello ops
[12:34] <mc44> except now he is back in -offtopic
[12:34] <gnomefreak> hi jussi01
[12:34] <gnomefreak> who unbanned him?
[12:34] <mc44> no one, new lease
[12:34] <jussi01> hi gnomefreak
[12:34] <gnomefreak> evading a ban
[12:34] <gnomefreak> ?
[12:34] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, for all he knows it's been lifted though
[12:35] <Hobbsee> urgh
[12:35] <elkbuntu> otherwise he'd have been back in days ago, guaranteed
[12:35] <gnomefreak> so here we decide does he stay or go
[12:35] <Hobbsee> cant we ban that guy into the middle of next millenium?
[12:35] <gnomefreak> i wish
[12:35] <jussi01> who are the correct people for making suggestions about the #ubuntu-### irc channels? you guys?
[12:35] <gnomefreak> jussi01: whats the question?
[12:37] <jussi01> gnomefreak: I was thinking tht as #ubuntu an #kubuntu get very busy at times, we should have a similar setup to the forums with an absolute beginner area and a more advanced area... or do we have that already?
[12:37] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, i suggest we wait until he farks up again, then go with a username ban
[12:38] <gnomefreak> jussi01: we have had many suggestion for that. i am not sure what was decided but iirc it is gonna stay as is. maybe wait for Sevea-s
[12:38] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: k
[12:38] <Hobbsee> jussi01: a)  people post in both, or b) people post in the advanced one, no matter the question, as they think it's more likely to get answered, and c) our answerers likely answer in hte advanced, not the beginner.
[12:38] <Hobbsee> mostly the problem of a) though
[12:39] <jussi01> Hobbsee: thanks, but surely people can be educated to only post in one.... or am I giving people too much credit?
[12:39] <jussi01> :D
[12:40] <Hobbsee> jussi01: you assume people read, have a brain, etc.  think again.
[12:40] <jussi01> lol...
[12:40] <Hobbsee> jussi01: unless you attack them repeatedly with a cluebat
[12:40] <Hobbsee> jussi01: just look at all the people who ask things listed in the freaking topic.  the faq list.
[12:40] <gnomefreak> jussi01: for harder/longer issues we ask people to join #ubuntu-classroom with the person helping you. but that isnt a place to ask without being asked to join
[12:41] <jussi01> gnomefreak: ahh, I was just thinking of a solutiion such as that. didnt know about that
[12:41] <jussi01> well thanks lads and ladies, Ill quit bothering you now... :D
[12:43] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmmm
[12:44] <gnomefreak> wtf i keep beeping :(
[12:44] <mc44> -Kien_Mo/#ubuntu- co' ai o Viet Nam ko ?
[12:51] <jrib> gnomefreak: did you swallow a beeper?
[12:52] <Seveas> @beep gnomefreak
[12:53] <mc44> meep meep
[12:53] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, Stormx2 said: ubotu, piracy is Software piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o
[12:54] <gnomefreak> seems everytime a task in terminal ends i get system beep :(
[12:54] <jrib> system > prefs > sound > beep
[12:55] <jrib> (if you value your sanity)
[12:56] <gnomefreak> im wondering if its not mem issue as it is beeping even without anything other than a build running in terminal
[12:57] <gnomefreak> eh ill pull a win move later and reboot
[01:21] <ubotu> In ubotu, ub12 said: what is ubotu?
[01:21] <Hobbsee> !bot > ub12
[01:22] <ub12> thx
[01:52] <Myrtti> oh, he's back
[01:54] <Hobbsee> who?
[01:55] <pleia2> aoirthoir was banned from #ubuntu-women yesterday - just adjusted my ban because he returned
[01:56] <pleia2> and he joined my loco channel
[01:56] <elkbuntu> pleia2, add a name specific ban
[01:56] <pleia2> elkbuntu: I did
[01:57] <elkbuntu> cool
[01:57] <pleia2> :)
[02:00] <Hobbsee> hiya pleia2
[02:00] <Hobbsee> pleia2: just ban him from the entire world, please.
[02:00] <pleia2> Hobbsee: just banned him from my loco channel
[02:01] <mc44> :)
[02:01] <pleia2> < aoirthoir> pleia2, I've not done a single thing in here to be or not be welcome.
[02:01] <pleia2> except for stalking me!
[02:01] <Hobbsee> you are a known troll.  please die.
[02:01] <pleia2> -s
[02:01] <pleia2> -e
[02:01] <pleia2> jkfjdlskfsd
[02:01] <pleia2> I just woke up :)
[02:02] <Pici> i see.
[02:04] <Hobbsee> KDE bug #77744
[02:04] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:04] <ubotu> KDE bug 77744 in general "JJ: add tool to archive all mail" [Wishlist,New]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77744
 anyone here can install http://osflash.org/red5/fc4 on my fedora machine i can pay for the work being done trough paypal or western union
[02:04] <mc44> ...???
[02:10] <Hobbsee> !love
[02:12] <Seveas> !test
[02:12] <Seveas> ubotu, !
[02:14] <Seveas> bothost seems to have problems
[02:15] <Seveas> ok, back
[02:15] <Seveas> network problems should be over
[02:17] <Seveas> @login
[03:03] <pleia2> Hobbsee: you have a moment?
[03:03] <Hobbsee> pleia2: sure
[03:19] <ompaul> !test
[03:19] <ubotu> failed
[03:20] <ompaul> the bot back :)
[03:42] <CarlFK> I need a test.  (well, not really, I connected from a hotell and got 'banned', now I am back home.  but I'll take the test cuz thats the easy way to be processed :)
[03:43] <Hobbsee> CarlFK: cool
[03:43] <Hobbsee> CarlFK: done, thanks
[03:44] <CarlFK> and thank you for taking care of us :)
[06:32] <LjL> notice, i'm going to remove banforwards to #ubuntu-read-topic for people who haven't been in #ubuntu-read-topic after 5/5
[09:09] <Trynemjoel> Test me please :)
[09:10] <ompaul> please join #ompaul
[09:10] <ompaul> Trynemjoel, ^^
[09:10] <ompaul> okay so no test
[09:15] <ompaul> there was a tes
[09:15] <ompaul> t
[09:18] <GazzaK> was it a fail
[09:19] <ompaul> no
[09:28] <ompaul> no I always say it was was a success, yoiu can now join the channel, please leave $testchannel and the other place <-- my wording works ;-) btw there is always a enjoy the network at the end of it - you might want to make that enjoy ubuntu
[09:37] <bbrazil> if it was a fail, they aren't going to be there to talk to
[09:39] <GazzaK> but then it worked, so it's a success
[09:39] <GazzaK> :p
[09:39] <ompaul> and they go back so it is useful
[09:40] <TheSheep> hmm... isn't it like cancer test?
[09:41] <TheSheep> I mean, success doesn't necessarily mean it's good
[09:41] <ompaul> TheSheep, so you advise before the test what might happen
[10:24] <bbrazil> I'm sensing a troll in monkeyshit
[10:25] <somerville32> May the force be with you then
[10:25] <bbrazil> I'm not an op, and I'm not sure
[10:26] <GazzaK> monkey what>
[10:27] <bbrazil> nah, seems to be grand now. said he'd go off an read stuff
[10:28] <nalioth> bbrazil: say what?
[10:29] <LjL> fish. barrel.
[10:35] <GazzaK> I must applogise for my behaviour ere and there tonight, I'm on a free bar at the hotel
[10:36] <stdin> but what's your excuse every other night tho? j/k
[10:38] <GazzaK> erm, dunno, but tonights is a good one
[10:56] <nalioth> beware nuked_omen
[10:57] <maxamillion> will do
[10:58] <maxamillion> nalioth: what'd he/she doe?
[10:58] <maxamillion> do*
[10:58] <nalioth> maxamillion: nasty ascii art in -classroom
[10:58] <maxamillion> oh wow ...
[11:02] <GazzaK> nasty?  cool


[00:27] <Sirach69> Good evening to all
[00:28] <Sirach69> I am trying to install Usb Network Gate to enable a 3d mouse to my work from home setup.. the wirk computer is on windows 10 and I am on Kubuntu 21.10
[00:29] <Sirach69> When I try to install, it says i need qt5-default.... I tried many things but tu no avial
[00:41] <Sirach69> Anyone know how to get qt5-default ?
[00:46] <oerheks> indeed
[00:46] <oerheks> see this old answer for 21.04 https://askubuntu.com/questions/1335184/qt5-default-not-in-ubuntu-21-04
[00:47] <oerheks><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:39] <freshbumsweat> hi
[03:12] <ahoneybun> Hello freshbumsweat
[03:19] <idkau> hi back
[03:39] <freshbumsweat> how we doing?
[03:39] <freshbumsweat> anyway
[03:40] <freshbumsweat> um
[03:40] <freshbumsweat> wheres a guide that works for installing podman on kubuntu 20.4
[07:07] <idkau> @freshbumsweat, what have you tried that doesnt work?
[09:26] <ketiv> Morning everyone, hope you've a good day today.
[13:32] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:52] <Guest3803> 这是什么软件？
[15:59] <Guest3803> hello
[16:35] <transhumanist> hi my client has kubuntu 20.04 and is in a hotel. He tried using the hotel hotspot and it had a captive portal login page, he cant get around it and cant reconnect through his phones hot spot instead . How do I fix?
[16:35] <transhumanist> thanks for all the help
[16:35] <cbreak> he can't log in via that stupid portal thing?
[16:37] <transhumanist> checking but I think it works ok for hotel. He just cant switch back to the phone
[16:38] <transhumanist> he can get to internet through the hotel
[16:38] <transhumanist> just cant resume using the android hotspot
[17:14] <oerheks> so you do not want to pay the hotel for wifi?
[17:35] <genii> I'm pretty sure if you remove/tell it to forget the hotel one from the list in connection manager the phone hotspot will work properly again
[17:36] <genii> It will usually want to connect to the one you were just using or whichever one on it's saved list has the strongest signal
[22:56] <kubuntu> hihi
[23:02] <user|15> hi everyone.. can anyone please point me to the list of Kubuntu repositories.. NOT the ppa's.. thankx :)
[23:38] <user|15> thanx anyway.. i found a bunch of repositories here: https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/ :)


[12:02] <squinn> mdke, what was that whole deal between you and froud there?
[12:03] <mdke> myself and a couple of others have a problem with his work methods
[12:03] <mdke> hopefully we will sort it
[12:04] <mdke> at least we talk about it..
[12:04] <philipacamaniac> from an outside perspective, its making it difficult for me to decide whether or not to pursue real docteam work, or rather to just contribute to the wiki
[12:04] <mdke> i can imagine
[12:04] <mdke> i am sorry about that philipacamaniac
[12:07] <squinn> mdke, i just realized
[12:07] <squinn> we need that new package for breezyt
[12:08] <squinn> its not even in breezy repo yet.
[12:08] <mdke> squinn, chill!
[12:08] <mdke> breezy gets everything in the end
[12:08] <mdke> Ubuntu releases are synched with gnome releases
[12:09] <squinn> well i'm just freaking
[12:09] <squinn> with the upstream version freeze on july 7th
[12:09] <mdke> you're worse than jsgotango
[12:09] <mdke> don't panic!
[12:10] <squinn> haha..
[12:10] <squinn> okay
[12:11] <squinn> yeah, i had to help jerome hack into his own computer last night
[12:11] <squinn> he forgot his password
[12:11] <mdke> *laughs*
[12:11] <mdke> awesome story
[12:14] <squinn> yesss
[12:15] <squinn> ubuntu automatically does what i was doing manually
[12:15] <squinn> i love it
[12:15] <squinn> i was adding in events, like meetings, to my evolution calendar
[12:16] <squinn> and robitaille is maintaining a live one on the web
[12:16] <mdke> url?
[12:17] <squinn> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Calendar
[12:17] <squinn> and there's an ical version..which syncs with evolution
[12:17] <squinn> just change the http on it to webcal and add it to evolution and you're ready
[12:17] <mdke> oh i didn't realise there was an ical version of that page
[12:17] <mdke> cool
[12:18] <squinn> Yep. I just found it.
[12:18] <mdke> hmm
[12:18] <mdke> nice work robitaille!!
[12:19] <mdke> ok Be RiGhT bAcK
[12:24] <squinn> mdke, welcome back
[12:24] <squinn> what does SABDFL mean?'
[12:24] <mdke> thanks
[12:24] <squinn> i know its mark's nick
[12:24] <mdke> erm
[12:24] <squinn> but is it an abbreviation?
[12:24] <mdke> yes its an anacronym
[12:24] <mdke> erm
[12:24] <mdke> self appointed...
[12:25] <mdke> b, dunno
[12:25] <mdke> dictator for life
[12:25] <squinn> bastard? lol
[12:25] <squinn> as in bastard operator from hell kinda bastard?
[12:25] <mdke> hmm
[12:25] <mdke> i think its a positive B
[12:25] <mdke> not sure
[12:25] <squinn> Benevolent
[12:25] <squinn> that's it
[12:26] <squinn> "Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator For Life"
[12:26] <squinn> found on slashdot
[12:26] <mdke> yeah that was it
[02:07] <mdke> exit
[02:34] <philipacamaniac> mdke
[03:32] <squinn> robitaille, i'm in debt to you
[03:32] <squinn> i love your iCal adaptation of the ubuntu calendar
[03:43] <robitaille> thanks.  I kept missing meetings, so a while back I decided to start maintaining one. I'm glad it is of use (I actually have no idea how many people are subscribing to it)
[06:09] <squinn> hey jerome
[06:09] <jsgotangco> hey
[06:09] <jsgotangco> whats up
[06:10] <squinn> not much, i was nominated for commit account [yay]
[06:10] <jsgotangco> thats great elmo will probably have it done later or tommorow
[06:36] <squinn> yep ye
[06:36] <squinn> p
[07:52] <froud> morn everyone, African greetings
[07:52] <jsgotangco> hello
[07:53] <judax> Texas greetings
[07:53] <jsgotangco> "Thoughts questions? Silence will be interpreted as consent"
[07:53] <jsgotangco> froud :(
[07:53] <froud> jsgotangco: see [proposal]  message for hacking the k user guide. responses wanted
[07:54] <froud> jsgotangco: :( ?
[07:54] <jsgotangco> you're gonna take a lot of flack for that statement
[07:54] <froud> which?
[07:54] <jsgotangco> "Thoughts questions? Silence will be interpreted as consent"
[07:54] <froud> that's a dig at mdke :-)
[07:55] <froud> see logs
[07:55] <jsgotangco> i know, but why?
[07:55] <froud> and if ppl what to flack me its ok I have enough holes in me already so most bullets will just go straight through :-)
[07:56] <jsgotangco> i will take this email as a "yes i am back and will contribute to whatever extent i can"
[07:56] <froud> on kde there is no problem
[07:56] <froud> kde ships html
[07:56] <froud> :-)
[07:56] <jsgotangco> would you prefer to just do kde then
[07:56] <froud> right?
[07:57] <froud> jsgotangco: I am just leading by example
[07:57] <froud> :-)
[07:57] <judax> got to run to bed, you guys have a great day
[07:57] <froud> bye
[07:58] <jsgotangco> i'm not in the mood for a long chat/explanation, i'll assume you'll do whatever you can within boundaries of your interest
[07:58] <froud> jsgotangco: people work when there is work being done. I am starting. Just like you fond with kwickguide, ppl come when things happen
[07:58] <froud> jsgotangco: thanks for the permission :-)
[07:58] <jsgotangco> yes so i'll keep it as that
[07:58] <jsgotangco> ?
[07:59] <froud> just joking dude
[07:59] <jsgotangco> i don't want people seeing you in the gray area of things
[07:59] <froud> oh dude, some will and some won't.
[08:00] <froud> I am getting used to the gray area, actually it is a good place, seems lots gets done there :-)
[08:01] <froud> jsgotangco: but I am not the only one, gtalyor and jjesse will be hacking it
[08:01] <jsgotangco> urrkk i hate moin tables
[08:02] <froud> they are fun
[08:09] <jsgotangco> no they're not if you're monitor is only capable of 1024x768 :P
[08:09] <froud> ok b c'ing ya
[08:09] <froud> meetings
[08:17] <Burgundavia> http://hula-project.org/Wiki_Conversion
[08:18] <jsgotangco> yes that's nice
[08:18] <jsgotangco> its mediawiki
[08:18] <jsgotangco> i loovvee mediawiki
[08:23] <Burgundavia> so do I
[08:23] <Burgundavia> I really wish they would consider us when they did the wiki move
[08:23] <Burgundavia> as we are probably the largest user of the wiki
[08:39] <brodmann> does anyone have planeshift installed?
[09:20] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, ping?
[09:20] <Burgundavia> here
[09:20] <jsgotangco> would you like to adopt a document in svn?
[09:21] <Burgundavia> not for a least another month
[09:21] <Burgundavia> I am in the middle of searching for a job
[09:21] <jsgotangco> its ok theres no rush
[09:21] <jsgotangco> i just want to fill up this table in the wiki
[09:31] <jsgotangco> ok no pressure then
[09:31] <Burgundavia> lol
[09:32] <Burgundavia> just dumped 3 posts on p.u.c
[09:34] <jsgotangco> mr potato head
[10:08] <jsgotangco> mdke, hi
[10:14] <mdke> hi jsgotangco
[10:14] <mdke> how are you?
[10:15] <jsgotangco> im ok im doing wiki work now
[10:15] <jsgotangco> i could not do everything at the same time
[10:15] <jsgotangco> hence i made up my schedule
[10:17] <mdke> cool
[10:17] <mdke> making a kde quickguide status page? cool
[10:17] <jsgotangco> no
[10:17] <jsgotangco> im cleaning up the whole wiki
[10:17] <jsgotangco> :)
[10:17] <mdke> right
[10:17] <jsgotangco> i think i should love our wiki now
[10:17] <jsgotangco> the last one was terrible
[10:18] <jsgotangco> mdke, what document are you going to adopt
[10:18] <jsgotangco> i'll put it in the table
[10:19] <mdke> i don't think I am going to adopt one
[10:19] <jsgotangco> gyaahhh
[10:19] <mdke> hopefully we'll have some volunteers on the gnome user guide
[10:20] <jsgotangco> i'll edit the table to make it look more understandable with the status
[10:20] <jsgotangco> ill projmgmt the whole thing
[10:23] <mdke> cool
[10:23] <mdke> perhaps "status" and "info" should be merged
[10:24] <jsgotangco> the udu breezygoals wiki is a good sample of having everything visible all at once
[10:24] <mdke> yes
[10:24] <jsgotangco> probably we can adopt the WIP, TBC, Pending, etc. style?
[10:25] <mdke> it might be easier to have 1 table rather than 3
[10:25] <jsgotangco> merge all of them?
[10:26] <jsgotangco> some of the generic docs might not be able to make it at all
[10:26] <mdke> i think it would look better
[10:27] <jsgotangco> you have a point
[10:27] <jsgotangco> hmm
[10:31] <mdke> well the installguide should remain
[10:31] <mdke> you should probably remove the stuff which is not in our goals
[10:32] <jsgotangco> ok i'll just make priorities i guess
[10:32] <jsgotangco> priorities would be the major docs
[10:32] <jsgotangco> seconds would be some generic stuff
[10:32] <jsgotangco> ill put styleguide as priority
[11:31] <jsgotangco> wtf the wiki just died on me
[12:27] <mpt> wahhhhh
[12:27] <mpt> holy wiki bug, batman
[12:30] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:30] <jsgotangco> its running now
[12:32] <jsgotangco> mpt
[12:32] <jsgotangco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects
[12:32] <jsgotangco> would a style like this be more preferable like what we did in UDU?
[12:33] <mpt> jsgotangco, I don't understand that question, it's missing a "than" or a "to" :-)
[12:34] <jsgotangco> oh right english is not my primary language :)
[12:34] <mpt> jsgotangco: The wiki being down isn't the bug. The bug is that http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/SELinux and https://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/SELinux are completely different pages.
[12:34] <jsgotangco> oooohhh
[12:34] <jsgotangco> WOW
[12:46] <JonA> jsgotangco: Good work on the DocteamProjects page.
[12:47] <jsgotangco> you dig it?
[12:47] <jsgotangco> hehe
[12:47] <jsgotangco> its much clearer thats how we did it during UDU
[12:48] <JonA> jsgotangco: I dig it :-)
[12:49] <jsgotangco> nice thanks
[12:50] <jsgotangco> Status Page and HTML Preview are kinda cloudy for now
[12:50] <jsgotangco> but its a start to have the show running smoothly
[12:53] <JonA> Is make regularly generating the docs from SVN for preview?
[12:53] <JonA> *Mako
[12:54] <jsgotangco> i have no idea
[12:54] <jsgotangco> its probabaly just the previous team using mako's shell
[01:48] <mpt> What's the Moin code for a redirect?
[01:51] <mpt> nm
[01:59] <squinn> JonA, I'm all clear to work together on GNOME user guide.
[02:13] <jsgotangco> sivang, hey
[02:13] <sivang> hey jsgotangco
[02:40] <JonA> squinn: Cool. I'll send you an email with my rough work plan when it's done.
[02:40] <squinn> Sure, great.
[02:47] <jjesse> morning or whatever time of day it is for you :)
[02:47] <jsgotangco> jeezz im getting hungry
[02:48] <squinn> morning here jjesse ..so..morning
[02:48] <jjesse> grin never know what time it is for people
[02:49] <jsgotangco> ok people, please fill up the blanks on this page
[02:49] <jsgotangco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects
[02:49] <jsgotangco> :)
[02:57] <squinn> done
[03:00] <jjesse> jsgotangco just people taking charge of the projects right? so if i'm working on a project but not in charge there is nothing really to fill in?
[03:00] <jsgotangco> hmm
[03:00] <jsgotangco> that title is misleading
[03:01] <jsgotangco> that field is supposed to say who's working on it rather than who's owning it
[03:01] <jsgotangco> because it might impede people from contributing if they see someone who already owns it
[03:02] <jsgotangco> Doctem Members Involved
[03:02] <jsgotangco> sounds good?
[03:02] <jjesse> for example, working on kde userguide so i add my name
[03:02] <jjesse> and i like that change to the name
[03:03] <jjesse> grin work calls have a good day
[03:14] <jsgotangco> holy wiki conflict
[03:14] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:14] <squinn> I moved to your stuff
[03:18] <jsgotangco> froud, hi
[03:19] <squinn> morning froud
[03:19] <froud> jsgotangco: hi
[03:19] <froud> squinn: hi
[03:20] <jsgotangco> good luck
[03:20] <squinn> i know
[03:21] <squinn> i used to run gentoo unstable though
[03:21] <squinn> so i guess i'll be ready
[03:26] <froud> MS Office XML Formats Not OK with GNU
[03:26] <jsgotangco> ?
[03:26] <jsgotangco> im outta here
[03:26] <froud> MS Office XML Formats Not OK with GNU
[03:26] <froud> Peter Galli, eWEEK
[03:26] <froud> The royalty-free license under which Microsoft plans to make its
[03:26] <froud> upcoming new Office Open XML Formats widely available is incompatible
[03:26] <froud> with the GNU General Public License and will thus prevent many free and
[03:26] <froud> open-source software projects from using the formats, community
[03:26] <froud> officials say. In addition, a leading patent official is calling into
[03:28] <jsgotangco> ok bye bye
[03:38] <JonA> squinn: Suggest pinning back xfonts-*
[03:40] <squinn> Wait, what, JonA?
[04:00] <JonA> squinn: I upgraded a testing maching to breezy a couple of days ago. Big problems with X, which can be made into more manageable problems if you don't upgrade the xfonts-* packages.
[04:00] <JonA> Also, don't upgrade the libxft2 package.
[04:01] <JonA> If you're upgrading with Synaptic, just use the "lock package" command under the Package menu.
[04:02] <squinn> oh fock.
[04:02] <squinn> i gotta remember how to downgrade pkgs now
[04:03] <squinn> save
[04:03] <squinn> it didn't upgrade yet, just downloaded files
[04:03] <JonA> :-)
[04:13] <gtaylor> jesus, remember that Ubuntu review I wrote/pasted in here yesterday?
[04:18] <squinn> gtaylor, noh
[04:18] <squinn> oh
[04:18] <squinn> heh, just viewed it on osnews
[04:18] <squinn> and didn't realize greg taylor = gtaylor
[04:19] <gtaylor> And spelled "drool" correctly
[04:19] <squinn> hah
[04:20] <gtaylor> I didn't think someone was going to post some review on some unknown Linux site like that so I didn't spend a whole lot of time on it
[04:25] <squinn> ah, i see
[04:26] <squinn> welcome back, JonA
[05:03] <gtaylor> heh, a retort: http://squishywaffle.com/article.php/20050621101115454
[05:06] <squinn> heh, gtaylor, you seem familiar from somewhere
[05:06] <squinn> braves fan, then, eh?
[05:06] <squinn> or just happy they beat UF?
[05:08] <squinn> oh, not UF, florida marlins
[05:09] <gtaylor> I do like the Braves, and yeah I missed the game but am glad they finally beat them
[05:10] <squinn> Ah.
[05:10] <squinn> I live in Florida, yet despise the Marlind.
[05:10] <squinn> Marlins.*
[05:10] <squinn> and the Nationals. and the Phillies. and the Braves.
[05:10] <squinn> That pretty much leaves my team all but revealed.
[05:10] <squinn> I bet ATL's fans are a lot more genuine then John Rocker portrayed my team's fans to be.
[05:11] <jjesse> is it just me or is the wiki slow today?
[05:11] <squinn> wiki's a little slow for me today
[05:21] <gtaylor> I can't believe the Nationals coming in from nowhere and kicking so much ass
[05:23] <squinn> gtaylor, I know it. My team was tied for first..and is slowly sinking into last.
[05:24] <gtaylor> Who are you pulling for?
[05:24] <gtaylor> Yankees? :)
[05:25] <squinn> NL East.
[05:25] <squinn> RIVALS of the Yankees and the Braves.
[05:25] <squinn> That OTHER New York team.
[05:26] <squinn> I'll brb, restart of X
[05:27] <gtaylor> blah, even worse :)
[05:27] <jjesse> the mets stink :)
[05:28] <jjesse> unlike my team the detroit tigers
[05:52] <gtaylor> wtf? Google News?
[05:53] <gtaylor> Jesus christ, have people not seen an Ubuntu review before? Why is this thing getting plastered everywhere?
[05:53] <mpt> heh
[05:53] <gtaylor> It's the rating I gave it I bet. I've asked the site admin to let me clarify what my scale is setup like (which I should've done in the first place)
[05:54] <gtaylor> 1 being equivalent to absolute worse Linux distro (currently) and 10 equivalent to one of the best/the best Desktop Linux (currently)
[05:54] <gtaylor> 10 != perfect. There's no reason to have a 10 if nothing will ever reach it.
[05:54] <mpt> gtaylor: My personal Google News page has an "Ubuntu Linux" category, which is currently showing me <http://addict3d.org/index.php?page=viewarticle&type=news&ID=7646>, which is an extended excerpt of your review
[05:55] <gtaylor> if one of you people slashdot that article I'm going to kill you :)
[05:55] <gtaylor> I'll start getting dead animals on my front door if it gets there
[05:55] <mpt> You're safe, it's not interesting enough
[05:56] <gtaylor> heh, it was hastily written and sent out without screenshots or anything really
[05:56] <mpt> getting osnewsed is easy
[05:57] <gtaylor> I'm getting like 7 comment emails a minute and there's no way to turn them off on the linux review site
[05:57] <mpt> There's only 6 comments on the site!
[05:57] <gtaylor> those are the only visible ones
[05:57] <mpt> oh, you're the moderator?
[05:57] <gtaylor> the users have to specifically check the "Make my comment visible" box and the admin has to approve them
[05:58] <gtaylor> no, the webmaster guy is
[05:58] <gtaylor> people are of course now bitching that no negative comments are showing up and blaming it on me :)
[05:58] <mpt> yeah
[05:58] <mpt> I was first wondering why the rating at the top of the article looked more like 4/5 than the 10/10 you'd given it
[05:59] <mpt> eventually I realized it was ratings given by readers, but then I was wondering why the 4/5 was different from the 29/30 of the visible comments
[06:00] <mpt> gtaylor: But I disagree that there's no reason to have a 10 if nothing will ever reach it
[06:00] <mpt> You need to allow room for improvement
[06:01] <mpt> Operating systems today are like cars in the 1910s
[06:01] <gtaylor> improvement to a point that will never be reached? :)
[06:01] <mpt> They've developed in leaps and bounds from the ones that were available 20 years ago, but they're still really really really crappy.
[06:03] <gtaylor> If he lets me update it I'll probably just do a percentile since even a 1-20 scale is a bit kludgey
[06:03] <gtaylor> a 10/10 could be rounded up from 9.6 :)
[06:03] <mpt> heh
[06:04] <mpt> and wipe up the drule :-)
[06:04] <gtaylor> blargh
[06:04] <gtaylor> you can tell I use that word a lot
[06:04] <gtaylor> look at that guy's Fedora review, it has spelling errors in the summary
[06:05] <gtaylor> I make like 1-2 typos and people are like, "ooooh, non-native English speaker!"
[06:05] <mpt> "I selected my timezone, accepted the GPL..." <-- This distributor doesn't understand the GPL
[06:08] <gtaylor> eh?
[06:08] <mpt> The GPL is not an EULA
[06:08] <gtaylor> where are you seeing that?
[06:08] <gtaylor> I mean where did you quote it?
[06:08] <mpt> in the Fedora review
[06:09] <gtaylor> the one with the tacky screenshot or the bad spelling guy?
[06:10] <mpt> tacky screenshot I guess, I don't see any misspellings
[06:10] <mpt> http://www.reviewlinux.com/articles/11/1/The-Fedora-Core-4-Review--
[06:10] <mpt> apart from "very updated", which is grammar, not spelling
[06:10] <gtaylor> that screenshot makes me want to run away screaming
[06:10] <mpt> That's what Linux looks like on Neptune
[06:11] <mpt> to borrow a phrase from elsewhere in the article, it "doesn't look very well"
[06:12] <gtaylor> heh
[06:14] <mpt> Reviews are hard to do well
[06:18] <mpt> but publicity is good.
[06:19] <squinn> yep.
[06:19] <squinn> PC World's #1 Linux Distribution of 2005 heh
[07:33] <philipacamaniac_> mdke, you available?
[07:34] <mdke> i am indeed philipacamaniac_
[07:35] <philipacamaniac_> sorry about the _ on my name, don't know who the heck else would use my nick  :)
[07:35] <philipacamaniac_> anyway, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhilipCain/HTML2MoinTest
[07:35] <philipacamaniac_> it kinda worked, but crucial things, like headings as links, didn't
[07:36] <mdke> *grins*
[07:36] <mdke> get it back with /msg nickserv help
[07:36] <mdke> but np
[07:37] <mdke> headings as links?
[07:37] <philipacamaniac_> [07:37] <philipacamaniac_> [07:38] <philipacamaniac_> it is more a problem with how the KUDOS guide is layed out. if you have good, clean HTML, the script will work great
[07:38] <mdke> do we even have those implemented on our wiki?
[07:38] <mdke> omg that is awesome!
[07:38] <mdke> great work
[07:39] <mdke> well if you're doing it all on one page...
[07:39] <philipacamaniac_> I found it somewhere on the moin site, but adjusted a little to work for our purposes
[07:39] <philipacamaniac_> yes...
[07:39] <mdke> what you really want is for the tables of contents to link to the various sections
[07:39] <philipacamaniac_> I'll have to think about that one
[07:39] <mdke> that is possible on a moin wiki using an anchor macro, but I dunno if it works on our wiki
[07:39] <philipacamaniac_> anchor macro works,
[07:40] <philipacamaniac_> however, if you have an anchor in the source html that has a link and a name, it only takes the link
[07:40] <mdke> I sent a proposal for a wiki team to the list
[07:41] <philipacamaniac_> when?
[07:41] <mdke> right now
[07:41] <mdke> hmmm
[07:41] <philipacamaniac_> great
[07:42] <squinn> i'm loving breezy
[07:42] <squinn> works quite well
[07:42] <philipacamaniac_> gnome or KDE
[07:43] <squinn> gnome
[07:43] <mdke> ah yes i see the macro
[07:43] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnMacros?action=raw
[07:43] <mdke> cool
[07:43] <squinn> JonA was kind enough to tell me what not to upgrade [some X libraries]  and it's running like a charm
[07:43] <mdke> cool
[07:43] <mdke> i'll install it on my laptop if I ever get it repaired
[07:44] <philipacamaniac_> mdke, the moinconvert script was fast and light... it converted the entire KUDOS html in about 7 seconds
[07:44] <mdke> wow
[07:45] <mdke> thats is well cool
[07:45] <philipacamaniac_> so if I can figure out how to make it work better with multipage linking, we'll be golden
[07:45] <philipacamaniac_> it sure was!
[07:45] <mdke> if you do, push it upstream too
[07:45] <mdke> #moin might be able to help
[07:45] <philipacamaniac_> Yeah, I'll do that
[07:46] <mdke> mvirkkil is working with them on a moin->docbook converter
[07:46] <mdke> my god i get such a lag on this network
[07:46] <mdke> always full bar
[07:47] <mdke> squinn, you have to be patient
[07:47] <philipacamaniac_> Is there already a good HTML > DocBook converter?
[07:47] <mdke> it will take several days
[07:47] <mdke> philipacamaniac_, no
[07:48] <philipacamaniac_> so, this script might actually have some use to the docteam
[07:49] <mdke> there are some, but they don't work propa
[07:49] <squinn> mdke, i am
[07:49] <mdke> philipacamaniac_, the html->moin one?
[07:49] <mdke> http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/Html2DocBook
[07:50] <philipacamaniac_> mdke, yes I meant html2moin
[07:51] <mdke> squinn, submit patches and they will get committed
[07:51] <squinn> i know, i'm looking over stuff as well
[07:52] <philipacamaniac_> if the HTML2DocBook starts to work better, the kudos (and others) should just be ported straight to DocBook. Is there a DocBook2Moin script?  ;)
[07:53] <mdke> philipacamaniac_, yeah i think so!
[07:55] <mdke> i dunno
[07:55] <mdke> philipacamaniac_, but in any case i doubt that the kudos and ubuntuguide will be maintained in our repository
[07:56] <philipacamaniac_> ah yes, we'll convert from A to B, to get to C, and then take B back to A, to form D
[07:56] <mdke> we have already tried to get the ubuntuguide guy to play ball and work officially with us, but he wants to maintain it himself I think
[07:56] <jeffsch> philipacamaniac_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/doc/ArticleToMoinDesc
[07:56] <philipacamaniac_> that's what I saw on the mailing list...
[07:57] <froud> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/teamstuff/article2moin
[07:57] <philipacamaniac_> does it work, froud and jeffsch?
[07:57] <froud> yeah
[07:57] <jeffsch> yes. but is not complete
[07:57] <mdke> it is work in progress
[07:58] <mdke> oh thats not the moin2docbook one
[07:58] <mdke> soz
[07:58] <jeffsch> i'm thinking it might be easier to do docbook->xhtml->moin
[07:58] <froud> :-)
[07:59] <philipacamaniac_> interesting
[07:59] <philipacamaniac> yay
[08:02] <philipacamaniac> well, I like the idea of a wiki team
[08:06] <mdke> wb
[08:06] <mdke> the idea of a wiki team is not a new one i think, i saw it somewhere on the wiki, although i can't find it right now
[08:09] <philipacamaniac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiToDo?highlight=%28wikiteam%29
[08:09] <philipacamaniac> search good
[08:10] <philipacamaniac> is there a page that clearly defines the purpose of the wiki?
[08:13] <mdke> of the wiki in general, or our wiki?
[08:13] <philipacamaniac> our wiki
[08:14] <mdke> dunno then ;)
[08:15] <philipacamaniac> obviously, howtos and collaboration of the various teams, plus homepages... but I there's a lot of other stuff in there, too
[08:16] <philipacamaniac> like a page describing mepis
[08:16] <mdke> yeah
[08:16] <mdke> its free for all
[08:17] <philipacamaniac> which is fine, sorta, but maybe the wikipolicy could define the nature of possible wikipages
[08:18] <mdke> ok i'll be back later
[08:18] <philipacamaniac> cya
[10:53] <mdke> melodie, although there are some ideas about harnassing the documentation in source packages for Ubuntu (jdub is interested in that area, but is a very busy guy), there is no active project yet
[10:54] <melodie> mdke: the thing is I drove around the all net to find about the CD stories
[10:54] <mdke> hmm
[10:54] <mdke> to me it sounds like a bug with the program
[10:54] <melodie> and all around ATAPI drives
[10:54] <mdke> you say there is some debian documentation?
[10:54] <melodie> as \sh sayd It could be the hard but I checked it
[10:54] <melodie> the doc is
[10:55] <melodie> in the cdrtool-docs package
[10:55] <mdke> if you are interested in that particular area, a cool thing would be to take the debian documentation, suggest some amendments to it, and file a bug under that package. The other alternative might be to put something on the wiki
[10:55] <melodie> all the docs contain infos that are more or less obsolete
[10:56] <melodie> I went throught the 800 and so lines of man cdrecord also :))
[10:56] <melodie> and no one doc gives accurate info
[10:57] <melodie> what is the best alternate ?
[10:57] <melodie> I've got about 11 pages on OOo notes
[10:58] <melodie> I file bugs each time I meeet some
[10:58] <melodie> and get good returns on them
[10:59] <melodie> :)
[10:59] <mdke> hmm
[10:59] <mdke> thats cool
[10:59] <mdke> i reckon a bug on the package that contains the obsolete doc
[10:59] <mdke> that is really useful
[10:59] <mdke> maybe even both :D
[11:00] <mdke> wiki pages are always useful
[11:00] <melodie> I can tell you something strange ?
[11:00] <mdke> tell me anything
[11:00] <melodie> I dl the NeroLinux documentation :D
[11:00] <mdke> ok
[11:00] <mdke> don't tell me that :p
[11:00] <melodie> I found out it's more understandable
[11:01] <mdke> *grins*
[11:01] <melodie> Oh but I dl with wget :))
[11:01] <melodie> can you here me laughing ?
[11:02] <melodie> It does not matter, I can extract it ;)
[11:02] <melodie> lol
[11:02] <melodie> I'm kidding, but I can't burn my datas anymore
[11:02] <mdke> :/
[11:03] <mdke> annoying
[11:03] <melodie> and could not find how come
[11:03] <mdke> have you tried burning as root?
[11:03] <melodie> even trying on the laptop with older datas I ripped in
[11:03] <melodie> even on a new user account
[11:03] <mdke> as root?
[11:03] <melodie> no
[11:04] <melodie> I just put the user
[11:04] <melodie> as belonging to all groups
[11:04] <mdke> linux has some problems with burning iirc
[11:04] <melodie> iirc ?
[11:04] <mdke> if i recall correctly
[11:04] <mdke> i think the solution is to burn as root
[11:05] <mdke> "Important information: Linux-<IP_ADDRESS> breaks CD/DVD writing for suid root applications [...]  If you have related problems, try to call cdrecord as real root or go back to Linux-2.4"
[11:05] <melodie> see, when I copy repertories to the nautilus cdcreator
[11:05] <mdke> (from homepage of cdrecord)
[11:05] <melodie> it links the files instead of copying them
[11:05] <melodie> then the message appears:
[11:05] <melodie> Error wrong chain encoding
[11:06] <melodie> when I click on 'grave'
[11:06] <melodie> but I is only the latest aspect of the pb
[11:06] <mdke> Burgundavia, alright?
[11:06] <mdke> melodie, i don't know enough to help you, but I think you should try running a burning program as root
[11:07] <judax> Greetings
[11:07] <melodie> hum
[11:07] <Burgundavia> yes, debugging an xchat craher
[11:07] <mdke> hi judax!
[11:07] <mdke> Burgundavia, aha
[11:07] <judax> mdke: Hi
[11:07] <melodie> the simpliest way would be trying that in cd line
[11:07] <mdke> melodie, yes
[11:07] <mdke> Burgundavia, i'm thinking of switching to irssi now
[11:07] <melodie> so I have to go back to cdrecord man
[11:08] <mdke> melodie, not really, you can run a graphical burner as root
[11:08] <melodie> Yes I know
[11:08] <mdke> sudo graveman or su, graveman
[11:09] <melodie> or start the file navigator as root, (or sudo) and use the nautilus burner
[11:09] <mdke> yes
[11:09] <mdke> but I don't trust that burner that much
[11:09] <melodie> I just changed it for a new one :)
[11:10] <melodie> I get the same I/O errors, and on laptop too
[11:10] <melodie> I think the config files must be rewritten
[11:10] <mdke> have you tried burning at a lower speed?
[11:10] <melodie> yes
[11:10] <melodie> 4x
[11:10] <melodie> with 4x media
[11:11] <mdke> ok i have no more ideas
[11:11] <mdke> but if you want to get involved with editing that documentation, that would be mega cool
[11:11] <melodie> what do you get when graving ?
[11:11] <mdke> graving?
[11:11] <melodie> sorry
[11:12] <melodie> burning
[11:12] <mdke> it works
[11:12] <melodie> (I'm a frenchy)
[11:12] <mdke> *grins* i saw that
[11:12] <mdke> your english is fine
[11:12] <melodie> do you have ATAPI devices ?
[11:12] <melodie> by the way, I'm on irssi, it's really cool
[11:13] <mdke> i need to experiment ways to change the look
[11:14] <melodie> Edit/Current profile
[11:14] <melodie> Tab coulours or effect
[11:15] <melodie> It changes the look of xterm
[11:15] <melodie> that's what you mean ?
[11:15] <mdke> i dont have xterm
[11:15] <melodie> ?
[11:15] <melodie> what do you have ?
[11:15] <mdke> well i have it, but i don't use it
[11:15] <mdke> aterm
[11:16] <melodie> I don't know aterm
[11:16] <melodie> so I can tell you for xterm
[11:16] <melodie> or for the Kde Konsole if I remember how it is :)
[11:16] <mdke> presumably I can change colours for irssi somewhere
[11:17] <melodie> if you have a few menus in aterm...
[11:17] <mdke> no, i just want to change irssi colours
[11:18] <melodie> maybe in it's specific config file somewhere ?
[11:18] <mdke> yeah
[11:18] <melodie> If you find out, it can be a nice little how-to :)
[11:19] <mdke> good thinking
[11:19] <melodie> :)
[11:20] <melodie> about burning, could you tell me if you tried all sorts ? such as audio too per example ?
[11:20] <mdke> i don't burn much
[11:20] <mdke> the occasional iso
[11:21] <melodie> what do you use when you backup datas ?
[11:21] <mdke> network
[11:22] <melodie> from the lan you mean ?
[11:22] <mdke> yus
[11:22] <melodie> ok
[11:22] <melodie> that's the solution I'm thinking about to resolve momently
[11:23] <melodie> There would also be a need for a step to step doc with the graphic inferface and snapshots to configure a lan
[11:26] <melodie> mdke: what kind of documentation work do you do ?
[11:27] <mdke> i am not really very technically good
[11:27] <mdke> i have done menial tasks on the wiki
[11:27] <mdke> and a little bit of editing on some of our docs
[11:28] <mdke> i like organising
[11:28] <mdke> i helped organise the translations of our stuff for hoary, hopefully for breezy there will be more
[11:29] <melodie> I notice there seem to be more and more translations on the french official wiki
[11:29] <mdke> yes
[11:29] <mdke> the french team is doing good work
[11:29] <mdke> website is nice too
[11:30] <melodie> I read boths, but reading in french is more comfort
[11:30] <melodie> yes, the site looks good
[11:30] <melodie> and many users don't grab english too much
[11:30] <melodie> so it's nice for them too
[11:30] <melodie> nods ?
[11:31] <mdke> to nod is to move the head up and down, to signify agreement
[11:31] <melodie> yees!
[11:31] <mdke> whats that in french
[11:31] <melodie> I didn't know thanks! :))
[11:32] <melodie> I have to think about an equivalent
[11:32] <melodie> 'hocher de la tte'
[11:32] <mdke> ok
[11:32] <melodie> but no direct equivalent to get it short
[11:32] <melodie> do you talk french ?
[11:33] <mdke> non
[11:33] <melodie> lol
[11:33] <mdke> je parle la francais tres mal
[11:35] <melodie> not so bad ;)
[11:35] <melodie> well for the doc question, I think I could do two things
[11:36] <melodie> as you sayd, I could file a bug somewhere about the doc from the cdrtool-docs package
[11:40] <melodie> and I could try to register on the Ubuntu ml to post my questions
[11:40] <melodie> I didn't try it yet
[11:40] <melodie> and with a little luck maybe
[11:40] <melodie> some more advanced people
[11:40] <melodie> than the ones on the Ubuntu french forums might have good answers
[11:40] <melodie> on precise questions
[11:40] <melodie> ?
[11:40] <melodie> do you know the ml a little ?
[11:40] <mdke> erm
[11:40] <melodie> erm ?
[11:40] <mdke> the ubuntu-users one?
[11:40] <mdke> i don't know it much
[11:40] <melodie> Ithink so
[11:40] <mdke> its good tho
[11:40] <mdke> also ubuntu-fr
[11:40] <melodie> the chan ?
[11:40] <mdke> ML
[11:40] <melodie> ah ok
[11:40] <melodie> cause when I go to the chan with questions
[11:40] <melodie> there are mostly more newbees than I
[11:40] <mdke> ah
[11:40] <melodie> not all, but mostly
[11:41] <melodie> It's nice to help also, but I've got to get out of trouble too :)
[11:42] <mdke> yeah
[11:43] <melodie> ok, I'm going to quit now, need to sleep :)
[11:43] <mdke> cool
[11:44] <mdke> we're always here
[11:44] <melodie> thank you :)
[11:44] <melodie> I'll try to come give news for the doc project
[11:45] <melodie> you didn't say: what devices do you use that go well for burning ?
[11:46] <melodie> just to know if the same as mine :)
[11:46] <mdke> erm
[11:46] <mdke> how do I find out?
[11:47] <melodie> no, do you have scsi drives or atapi ? just that
[11:47] <mdke> i _think_ atapi
[11:48] <melodie> ok, I'll go deeper in the question on a mailing list :)
[11:48] <melodie> thank you very much, until next :)
[11:49] <melodie> and good night this time
[11:49] <melodie> bye bye ^^
[11:51] <matt_> sorry all
[11:51] <matt_> playing


[06:20] <soee> good morning
[06:28] <jussi> hi soee
[06:29] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:21] <apachelogger> valorie: it's unsupported because no dev ever done it
[07:21] <apachelogger> we just pretend like it should work
[07:21] <apachelogger> you know, the way we deal with bug reports as well
[07:21] <apachelogger> :S
[07:21] <valorie> which is why I tried it!
[07:21] <valorie> and wrote to the list about it
[07:22] <valorie> just about to work on that laptop again
[07:22] <apachelogger> which I greatly appreciate until devs start doing exactly that thing on a semi-regular basis it won't work though
[07:22] <valorie> maybe I should hit amazon and order some more usb keys
[07:22] <valorie> sorry it took me so long
[07:24] <valorie> woah, you can get a 1 GB for 71 cents
[10:06] <valorie> weeeeeee, logging in from plasma5 konvi
[10:06] <valorie> this is awesomely cool
[10:28] <soee> konvi ?
[10:39] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:50] <tsdgeos> valorie: naming!
[10:50] <tsdgeos> KF5 konvi
[10:50] <tsdgeos> not Plasma5 konvi
[10:57] <Riddell> valorie: I'm a bit confused by your install report, is everything fixed? do you know what caused the problems?
[10:57] <Riddell> Pali: did you see my testing report of yesterday?
[12:11] <Riddell> hmm, anyone a git equivalent of bzr-buildpackage ?
[12:16]  * Riddell finds https://wiki.debian.org/PackagingWithGit
[12:39] <SourBlue> Hei guys, do you know where I can get an example config for a apt repository (maybe an official kubuntu/ubuntu repo)
[12:40] <Riddell> SourBlue: I'm not sure what you mean
[12:41] <Riddell> configuring what?
[12:41] <SourBlue> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=mirrorer/reprepro.git;a=blob_plain;f=docs/short-howto;hb=HEAD
[12:42] <Riddell> well that seems to describe settings up an apt repository if that's what you want to do
[12:42] <Riddell> we don't tend to have a need to do that as we juse use launchpad PPAs
[12:43] <SourBlue> I need one for work
[12:47] <yofel> SourBlue: see https://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository#reprepro_for_new_packages for a howto
[12:47] <Riddell> I think I've used mini-dinstall when I've done it before
[12:48] <lordievader> SourBlue: This one [1] is also usefull, prevents the authentication errors. https://wiki.debian.org/SettingUpSignedAptRepositoryWithReprepro
[12:49] <SourBlue> That looks promising thank you!
[12:49] <SourBlue> did someone find a solution for the sddm problem?
[12:55] <Pali> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~pali/+archive/ubuntu/kubuntu-backports/+sourcepub/4449433/+listing-archive-extra
[12:55] <Pali> I added Breaks and Replaces
[12:56] <Pali> but I'm using my own version of kdepim so I cannot test it on my machine if kdepim is working correctly...
[12:56] <Pali> so reason why I did not see this problem
[12:58] <Riddell> Pali: I just tested the install in a virtual machine
[13:19] <alvin> Backports for 4.14.0? Careful there. IMAP may break in kmail when used with a courier server. It's supposedly fixed in 4.14.1
[13:20] <Riddell> Pali: ↑
[13:21] <Pali> ok, so wait for 4.14.1?
[13:22] <Pali> when packages for trusty will be in ppa, I can start that kubuntu-automation script for repacking them for precise
[13:22] <Riddell> sgclark said she'd start on that, not heard from her today
[13:45] <Riddell> Pali: but of course you can start on it too if you want to become an elite kubuntu ninja :)
[13:51] <SourBlue> We don't have a Script that helps / automates repackaging?
[14:17] <Riddell> SourBlue: we have lots, what scenario were you thinking of
[14:18] <Riddell> most are in bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation
[14:18] <Riddell> where, for example, I just finished porting kubuntu-initial-upload to use debian git where we've just moved our plasma 5 packaging
[14:19] <Riddell> to backport we have kubuntu-batch-backport
[14:21] <SourBlue> What?
[14:21] <SourBlue> scenario?
[14:30] <Riddell> new release of plasma 5 from kde? kubuntu-initial-upload to update the changelogs and throw into the next-staging PPA
[14:30] <Riddell> then I set up kubuntu-ppa-build-status on the web server to show us an overview of what's built and what's broken
[14:30] <Riddell> then we fix bits as needed
[14:31] <Riddell> kubuntu-archive-upload is the script to ready it for upload to ubuntu
[14:31] <Riddell> and kubuntu-batch-backport if you want to backport to kubuntu-ppa/backports or wherever
[14:34] <SourBlue> ah okay i get it now
[14:35] <Riddell> so blue http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.0.95_utopic.html
[14:35] <Riddell> and notes are kept on https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas-frameworks
[14:35] <Riddell> although they're a bit messy now and the kubuntu-automation scripts have precious little documentation
[14:35] <Riddell> all linked from http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/
[14:36] <SourBlue> What does blue mean?
[14:38] <Riddell> waiting to be built
[14:39] <Riddell> I just uploaded all of plasma 4.0.95 to kubuntu-ppa/next-staging PPA and launchpad will built it
[14:39] <Riddell> except they seem to have the wrong version of extra-cmake-modules so it's wanting on that to appear
[14:39] <Riddell> I'll change the version in build-depends as that version doesn't exist yet
[14:43] <Riddell> and there's new tars that needs whole new packages being made
[14:56] <Riddell> apachelogger, shadeslayer: someone can probably turn off the sddm-kcm in blue-shell now, it's failing and we have a real release in next ppa
[15:04] <Riddell> first build failures/fixes needed incoming! http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.0.95_utopic.html
[15:48] <Riddell> hmm, breeze translations? in the breeze metapackage or in the breeze .deb they're related to? breeze_style_config.mo and kde-style-breeze
[16:57] <Riddell> breeze-qt4 uploaded but it fails, a task for tomorrow
[16:57] <Riddell> time to wander oof, adios todo
[18:21] <soee> ding dong :)
[18:44] <soee> hows teh plasma5.1 b2 ? ?
[18:49]  * BluesKaj waits for a response to soee's question :)
[18:50] <soee> oh its b1 not b2 right ?
[21:36] <waddlesplash> ok, another bug for ya
[21:36] <waddlesplash> on KDE Plasma 5 Kubuntu, plugging in headphones does not mute speakers
[21:36] <waddlesplash> "cat /proc/asound/card0/codec\#* | grep Codec" outputs "Codec: Realtek ALC889"
[21:37] <waddlesplash> (by not muting speakers, I mean that identical sound comes out of the speakers and the headphones)
[21:37] <kdeuser56> waddlesplash: is kmix running?
[21:37] <waddlesplash> kdeuser56: indeed it is, I have it open right now
[21:37] <kdeuser56> waddlesplash: which application produces the sound?
[21:38] <waddlesplash> kdeuser56: any application, KMix's own sound dings come out both for example
[21:38] <waddlesplash> I can play stuff in VLC or Firefox or Flash Player and it'll come out everywhere
[21:38] <kdeuser56> waddlesplash: and that does not happen on the other utopic iso?
[21:39] <waddlesplash> kdeuser56: Did not try. It doesn't happen on Windows with the proprietary Realtek drivers
[21:40] <kdeuser56> waddlesplash: hm. would be great if you tested it with the other utopic iso: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[21:40] <waddlesplash> why would that change anything?
[21:40] <waddlesplash> isn't the Alsa/Pulseaudio versions the same?
[21:40] <waddlesplash> I don't see why this is a KMix problem...
[21:40] <kdeuser56> waddlesplash: yeah exactly. but plasma5 is not there
[21:40] <waddlesplash> So? And KMix is the KDE4 version anyway
[21:40] <waddlesplash> (Kmix 4.5 using KDE Platform 4.14)
[21:41] <kdeuser56> waddlesplash: hm okay ... then it as nothing to do with plasma 5
[21:41] <waddlesplash> yep
[21:41] <waddlesplash> so far the only differences between the v4 ISO and v5 ISO are that this one has Plasma Workspace v5
[21:41] <waddlesplash> and KSysguard is v5
[21:41] <waddlesplash> all the other apps are v4
[21:42] <waddlesplash> well, ok, KWin too
[21:42] <kdeuser56> waddlesplash: this problem is specific to your hardware then. I am using utopic too
[21:42] <waddlesplash> ok
[21:42] <waddlesplash> wierd, because this did not happen on 14.04
[21:42] <waddlesplash> and I didn't change my hardware since then
[21:42] <kdeuser56> waddlesplash: I would not be sure on the changes you listed. There are A LOT more changes between the isos
[21:43] <waddlesplash> themes, etc. yes.
[21:43] <waddlesplash> but the base kernel/compiler/drivers/etc. are all the same
[21:43] <waddlesplash> no idea what's going on
[21:44] <kdeuser56> waddlesplash: if I were you I'd test with a normal utopic iso and then try to report a bug
[21:44] <waddlesplash> AlsaMixer detecs the headphones
[21:44] <waddlesplash> kdeuser56: well, I installed it
[21:44] <waddlesplash> so, not so easy
[21:45] <waddlesplash> kdeuser56: well, AlsaMixer detecs my headphone jack and can modify the volume independently of the speaker output
[21:45] <waddlesplash> not sure what the issue is then
[21:46] <kdeuser56> waddlesplash: in fact kmix may have a lot to do with sound ... try it ... kill kmix and see whats left of your soundoutput
[21:47] <waddlesplash> kdeuser56: "killall kmix" and everything still plays
[21:47] <waddlesplash> still can modify volumes via alsamixer
[21:47] <kdeuser56> waddlesplash: weird
[21:48] <kdeuser56> waddlesplash: okay that it back ... not weird
[21:48] <kdeuser56> waddlesplash: seems I ran in a problem last time i tried
[21:48] <waddlesplash> You don't know much about the KMix<->ALSA stuff do you?
[21:48] <waddlesplash> because, I know enough to know that KMix is just a GUI
[21:48] <waddlesplash> and really not much else
[21:49] <kdeuser56> waddlesplash: its a gui yes, but one that has the power to mess around
[21:49] <kdeuser56> waddlesplash: (the backend)
[21:50] <waddlesplash> so? still can't do everything
[21:50] <waddlesplash> nothing relies on it but other KDE apps really
[21:51] <kdeuser56> waddlesplash: I am not saying I know much about alsa etc. I was just trying to make suggestions and to rule out all possible causes
[21:51] <waddlesplash> yeah, already did that
[21:51] <waddlesplash> thanks for your help tho
[21:51] <waddlesplash> maybe Riddell can shed some light on this, if not, I suppose it's not hard to unplug the speakers when I want to use headphones
[21:51] <waddlesplash> which is not that often
[22:48] <valorie> Riddell: sorry, I was probably incoherent with sleep deprivation + joy at finally getting a ... mostly working install


[08:25] <elfy> DanChapman: if you get chance today, can you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1282154 for me
[08:25] <elfy> just off to work now though
[08:25] <DanChapman> elfy certainly :-) i'll get it done this morning
[08:26] <elfy> thanks DanChapman :)
[08:26] <elfy> it's an easy one :)
[13:39] <elfy> DanChapman: Thanks :) all synced now
[13:43] <DanChapman> elfy, your welcome :-)
[15:52] <balloons> DanChapman: howdy
[15:52] <DanChapman> balloons, hey there how's your week going?
[15:54] <balloons> DanChapman: good. Chatted a bit about the ubiquity failures. jibel mentioned that we probably should add a workaround to the job while the bug is there. do you think we could go back to not tracking the job (and avoiding the bug) and instead check for the popup at the end?
[16:00] <DanChapman> balloons, that's what we tried last week, i completely skipped the progress page and just waited for the finished dialog. It caused havoc :-S One thing we could try is when the crash occurs the test continues to execute so maybe try catching the exception and handle it gracefully that way
[16:01] <DanChapman> i'm seeing alot of compiz errors
[16:02] <DanChapman> in the logs aswell atm
[16:04] <balloons> DanChapman: yes thomi land that support; I sent you the link last week I think?
[16:05]  * balloons stops talking poorly of jibel :-)
[16:06] <balloons> I was thinking we had increased the timeout, not skipped the progress page :-)
[16:06] <balloons> me and my memory
[16:07] <DanChapman> balloons, yes it always occurs on the switch to the progress page or very soon after the switch. So i stopped the tests just before and waited with the timout for the popup
[16:09] <balloons> so jibel ^^ thoughts?
[16:10] <DanChapman> jibel, hey
[16:13] <DanChapman> balloons, jibel when i did the change last week and it made it worse it seems that it's occurring when repetitively polling on the same object. pitti did a fix for that a while back where looping on an object caused an app/test to hang. But that didn't resolve our issue. I will have a look and see what the best way of handling it is
[16:23] <balloons> DanChapman: I guess yea if possible to workaround let's do it. Sadly we don't know what's really wrong. I suppose it's hard to ask for a fix for something we can't produce
[16:31] <DanChapman> hmmmmm i wonder if it's the U1 page causing the problems balloons see http://goo.gl/MXT2AV the segfault occurs before reaching the progress page although the Traceback says it happens during the progress page.
[16:31] <senan> DanChapman, hey
[16:31] <balloons> DanChapman: oO that's a solid thought actually.. Any install paths that cause u1 to not appear?
[16:32] <balloons> I seem to remember it wouldn't appear if ... it's too early here still :-)
[16:33] <DanChapman> balloons, it's there by default for Ubuntu i believe except oem if i recall. ANd it might explain why i don't think i've ever seen this particular issue on the other flavors
[16:34] <senan> DanChapman, did you get time to check the issue ?
[16:34] <DanChapman> they have more niggly issues like not finding labels due to slow ui updates
[16:35] <DanChapman> balloons, i've just got to pop to the shop will investigate further when i get back
[18:16] <DanChapman> jibel, does the testrunner use a config file on jenkins or does it use the default values?
[18:37] <jibel> DanChapman, sorry, which config file?
[18:37] <jibel> there is nothing specific to jenkins IIRC
[18:52] <DanChapman> jibel, I was wondering if I could quickly set verbose ap_opts in the runner or whether I had to bother you to do it. On a different note I've just reproduced the segfault (at last!) with the runner locally. It happens as soon as 'skip' is clicked on the U1 page
[19:02] <jibel> DanChapman, I cannot connect to these machines this morning :/
[19:25] <pitti> om26er: https://git.gnome.org/browse/pygobject/tree/tests/test_gio.py#n41
[19:26] <pitti> om26er: oh, and you need from gi.repository import GLib, Gio
[19:26] <pitti> om26er: and depend on python3-gi and gir1.2-glib-2.0
[19:26] <om26er> pitti, thanks