[00:18] <the2048> So I've been wondering if I could quite literally install Ubuntu off of a CD (we're talking Ubuntu MATE x86, either 16.04 or 18.04)
[00:19] <Bashing-om> the2048: Off of DVD, sure :)
[00:19] <dar123> need help building a debian package
[00:19] <the2048> I could also do USB but I've got to pillage my desk drawers (or erase my W10 ESD USB) for one that's large enough
[00:21] <Bashing-om> the2048: A DVD as the image is lo large for a CD.
[00:21] <the2048> That's what I noticed
[00:22] <the2048> Even then I could most likely just use one of my spare USB drives; the computer I'm using supports USB boot
[00:23] <Bashing-om> the2048: How handy with ubuntu are you ? Might consider a minimal - build yer own - instakk, that inage fits on a CD.
[00:23] <OerHeks> minimal iso, that required wired networking
[00:23] <the2048> I'm not one of the handiest but I'm capable of building packages from source. I'll most likely go down the USB installer route; my Internet connection is too slow for a net install
[00:30] <Noisette_> nche
[00:30] <the2048> ?
[00:40] <Jantz> Hello so I've managed to get Ubuntu 18.04 working but just, seemed to be freezing every couple of minutes any suggestions?
[00:41] <the2048> Have you run drive tests to make sure that the drive isn't failing?
[00:41] <the2048> I had a PC that would just randomly freeze and lock up, then after 2 months the hard drive failed
[00:42] <leonardus> I second what the2048 said. I had the same exact experience.
[00:42] <Bashing-om> Jantz: Running our of memory ? How much ram is onboard ?
[00:43] <Jantz> Bashing-om 16gb
[00:45] <Jantz> Leonardus, the 2048 can you suggest a free quickly accessible reasonably good functioning drive testing program that i can use when my pc unfreezes
[00:45] <Jantz> Please?
[00:46] <the2048> You also might want to check memory as well (last I installed Ubuntu it included memtest86+ in the GRUB menu)
[00:46] <leonardus> Jantz, https://www.systutorials.com/docs/linux/man/8-fsck/
[00:46] <leonardus> also yes, check your memory
[00:46] <rwp> Also check the log files (/var/log/syslog) and look for error reports.
[00:47] <the2048> As for drive checks, check SMART (it should be in GNOME Disks)
[00:48] <the2048> I've faced failing computer components, check the PSU as well (insufficient PSU can cause crashes too)
[00:48] <the2048> That's getting more into the hardware side of things though
[01:06] <Jantz> Thanks guys will do
[01:07] <tomreyn> Jantz: which hardware do you have there?
[01:12] <Jantz> Tomreyn: Can't even remember what type of memory i have, but it was decent at the time of my build about five years ago but everything was working fine on Windows 10 couple of days ago, amd fx8300 cpu, amd matrix platinum hd7970 gpu corsair ax1500ai psu gigabit mobo
[01:13] <tomreyn> Jantz: ok, nothing too unusual then, and nothing really new.
[01:15] <the2048> Any devices connected when it crashes?
[01:15] <the2048> I had a case where when I plugged in a USB drive the PC crashed
[01:17] <leonardus> I had a case where when n-key rollover was enabled on my keyboard, pressing space would make the computer lag
[01:17] <the2048> That could be something too
[01:18] <the2048> Try with a basic keyboard without any flashy features
[01:18] <Jantz> the2048: just the usual mouse and keyboard, but that's what might be it too, seems to be jittery when i type stuff and mouse freezes too not sure if it's just that or the whole os but a program did freeze too
[01:18] <the2048> Ah
[01:18] <the2048> Does the motherboard have PS/2 ports, and do you have a mouse and keyboard to use with them for troubleshooting?
[01:19] <Jantz> I did notice improved functionality from plugging the usb and mouse into the usb3.0 ports
[01:20] <the2048> That could be something too
[01:20] <tomreyn> i'd say focus on the memtest first before you spend more time on manual debugging
[01:21] <the2048> Yeah
[01:23] <the2048> Focus on the HDD/RAM/PSU, those are the big three to check
[01:23] <the2048> Even if the PSU is fine, check it
[01:23] <the2048> You never know
[01:28] <macksting> I have repeatedly and completely failed to boot from GRUB2. I can't figure out how to fix it, and I can't figure out how to replace it. How do I fix or replace it?
[01:29] <macksting> I currently have disconnected all but one of my hard drives (I have a weirdly large amount, which doesn't help the situation) and am booted into a live disk for Lubuntu 18.04.1
[01:30] <the2048> I'd say nuke and pave (back up first though) but don't count on me for that
[01:30] <Bashing-om> macksting: Legacy or EFI booting >
[01:30] <tomreyn> macksting: Which Ubuntu version is installed, did it work in the past, what changed between then and now, which non standard configurations (software and hardware) do you have, how doe sthe system boot (bios vs uefi)?
[01:30] <macksting> Legacy, seems.
[01:30] <macksting> Whenever I install it, I can at best get it to boot *once.*
[01:31] <macksting> BIOS, I'm pretty sure. I've been able to find absolutely no reference in POST to UEFI and honestly have no idea what it is, which admittedly doesn't help look for it, but it just looks like BIOS to me all the way down.
[01:31] <macksting> And everything complains about Legacy.
[01:33] <macksting> It's Lubuntu 18.04.1, it's never worked in the past more than once at a time on anything resembling this board and configuration for... probably three quarters of a year since I lost the one hard drive that actually booted properly, and I'm not sure what's nonstandard.
[01:33] <the2048> Wipe the whole thing (back up any data first though), enable Secure Boot (UEFI), disable Legacy Boot, reinstall, and check what happens
[01:34] <macksting> I can't figure out how to secure boot at all.
[01:34] <macksting> I can't figure out how UEFI. Any efforts I've made to find UEFI stuff in startup have utterly failed.
[01:34] <macksting> Googling the board has come up with no results referencing UEFI.
[01:34] <the2048> Maybe your board doesn't support UEFI
[01:34] <the2048> Some don't
[01:34] <macksting> This may be because my gooigle fu is awful, but I'm going forward based on that assumption, yes.
[01:35] <macksting> Which does make that instruction difficult to follow, unfortunately. Not trying to be a smart-aleck, just... I am a little up the creek.
[01:35] <tomreyn> macksting: have you looked for a mainboard firmware update?
[01:35] <macksting> I don't actually know how to do that.
[01:35] <macksting> Might help, though. What's there would be pretty old.
[01:36] <macksting> Does that seem like something which, if applicable, I could do from a live DVD and a USB stick?
[01:36] <tomreyn> macksting: that does this output (should be just one line)?  journalctl -b | grep DMI:
[01:37] <tomreyn> you can run it from the live cd, no problem
[01:37]  * macksting nods.
[01:37] <macksting> It'll be a few while I get into that.
[01:39] <tomreyn> also you should be on lubuntu 18.04.2 if you installed all updates. there are also 18.04.2 installer images.
[01:39] <macksting> Huh. Interesting.
[01:40] <macksting> I can't imagine it's worth trying to get a whole new live CD just for the .2 ?
[01:41] <tomreyn> if you can boot once after install and update all packages you should effectively have the same
[01:42] <macksting> Say. Here's something. Is there any particular potential problem that can crop up precisely because my RAM filled up and the computer didn't shut down properly because I couldn't get any response from it so I turned it off after a few minutes of waiting?
[01:42] <macksting> That is to say, anything relevant.
[01:44] <macksting> Mar 18 01:39:17 lubuntu kernel: DMI: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. GA-78LMT-USB3 6.0/GA-78LMT-USB3 6.0, BIOS F2 11/25/2014
[01:44] <macksting> tomreyn: That's the output from journalctl -b etc.
[01:44] <Bashing-om> macksting: possibly corrupted the file system. Might run a 'fsck' ( file system check) from the liveUSB.
[01:44] <macksting> Mrf. Fair enough.
[01:45] <macksting> Odds are I need to get more RAM, stop using Firefox, and maybe turn my game off when I'm not using it.
[01:45] <macksting> She really is running on minimal RAM.
[01:45] <tomreyn> macksting: there are just two bios versions for this one and you have the latest.
[01:46] <tomreyn> how much ram is installed there?
[01:46] <Bashing-om> macksting: Ya want at least 4 Gigs of ram for a good user experience :)
[01:46] <the2048> My madman person decided to once install Ubuntu MATE on 2GB of RAM
[01:47] <the2048> It worked for YouTube fairly well
[01:47] <macksting> Y'know, I don't actually recall. But I think 8 gigs.
[01:47] <macksting> So I guess it's more than a shoestring, but it sure can fill up sometimes.
[01:48] <the2048> It honestly depends on your architecture though, if you're 64bit you'll want 8GB as a minimum (that's my definition, some may beg to differ)
[01:48] <tomreyn> run: free -m
[01:48] <macksting> It's 64bit, yeah, so by your definition it sounds like it's minimum.
[01:48] <Bashing-om> macksting: Plentey ! .. what shows 'free -m' ?
[01:48] <macksting> Well, I'm in the Live CD right now. But okay, let's look.
[01:49] <macksting> Mem: 7958
[01:49] <tomreyn> if that's on the first column then it's physical memory, yes
[01:50] <macksting> I oughta get more. Maybe a lot more, because it can do that.
[01:50] <macksting> Anyway, I guess back to boot loader problems?
[01:50] <tomreyn> the amount of ram you have is not causing any problems, though
[01:50]  * macksting nods.
[01:50] <macksting> Well, it sure did fill the bleep up and kill my computer, but maybe there's something else causing that.
[01:50] <tomreyn> do you actually get to see any error message when it fails to boot?
[01:50] <macksting> My resource monitor showing its use was a solid red when I woke up.
[01:51] <macksting> Just a sec. Shall I go try it, and tell you what I see?
[01:51] <tomreyn> yes
[01:51] <tomreyn> take a screenshot with a smartphone if needed
[01:51] <macksting> Huh. I'd never thought of doing that.
[01:51] <tomreyn> that's why i'm telling you ;)
[01:52] <the2048> Try booting a command line liveCD and see what happens
[01:53] <macksting> the: Remind me to do that after I'm done with tom's instructions?
[01:53] <the2048> K
[01:53] <macksting> Okay, for what it's worth, I've seen this before and it's that odd mix of promising and "the last time I got here I exhausted my options."
[01:55]  * tomreyn hasn't made any promises
[01:56]  * the2048 is wondering why this is happening in the first place
[01:56] <the2048> What you need to figure out to solve this is why it's happening
[01:57] <mackiephone> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473371686977273856/557019198077927434/IMG_20190317_185431379.jpg
[01:58] <macksting> I'm sure there was a better way to do that.
[01:58] <tomreyn> sure, you could have noted the text down.
[01:58] <the2048> It's trying to write outside the size of the disk
[01:58] <the2048> Have you tried replacing it?
[01:58] <macksting> Replacing the disk?
[01:59] <macksting> Yes, I suppose I have. I do have an 80 GB disk I was able to boot from, but that's so tiny.
[01:59] <macksting> I think it even booted twice.
[01:59] <the2048> If possible go out and get a 500 GB new hard drive
[01:59] <the2048> That would suffice for booting
[01:59] <macksting> ugh.
[02:00] <macksting> Not really feasible, no.
[02:00] <the2048> Oof
[02:00] <macksting> I have a 3 TB drive that's kicking up this fuss.
[02:00] <the2048> Do you have a 1TB drive to use for boot?
[02:00] <Bashing-om> macksting: show tomreyn ' sudo fisk -lu '  - let's see what it takes to fix the partitioning.
[02:00] <macksting> Kinda.
[02:01] <macksting> Yeah? Back to the live CD, I take it?
[02:01] <macksting> I assume that's not something I can do from grub rescue.
[02:01] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: ^^ legacy reads beyond 2 TB ?
[02:01] <macksting> I have a 1 TB USB drive that I can't get to boot from. I have an 8 TB USB backup thingy that refuses to even mount in a way that I can write to it without sudoing, much less boot, and my efforts to install have run into problems related to legacy--
[02:01] <macksting> WAIT WHAT?
[02:02] <tomreyn> Bashing-om: are you suggesting /boot is beyong 2 TB?
[02:02] <macksting> So the problem is my motherboard doesn't have UEFI and my hard drives are too big?!
[02:02] <leonardus> are you sure that's a legitimate 1TB USB drive?
[02:02] <leonardus> there are a lot of fakes
[02:03] <macksting> I have absolutely no idea how one would fake it. It used to work fine for all sorts of things.  That's warped.
[02:04] <leonardus> because they take a 16gb drive and modify the firmware so that it displays as 1tb
[02:04] <macksting> Anyway, I'm still at the GRUB rescue screen. If I want to fisk, I want to be in the live disk, right?
[02:04] <tomreyn> macksting: so far we have not enough information to do anything but speculate, which some of us here seem to focus on.
[02:05] <macksting> Sorry, I'm just trying not to jump ahead.
[02:05] <tomreyn> can you show the partitioning of the boot disk?
[02:06] <macksting> Maybe. Since you, uh, are asking me to do so right now, I assume you want me to do it from the grub rescue screen?
[02:06] <tomreyn> also, previously you mentioned that you needed to hard shut down the system, was this necessary during the installation or after it was done?
[02:06] <macksting> After it was done.
[02:07] <macksting> I don't seem to be able to use fisk from grub rescue, so I'll go back to the live disk.
[02:07] <tomreyn> macksting: you can run the command Bashing-om posted above to print the partiiton table while booted from the live / installer removable disk
[02:08] <tomreyn> right
[02:08] <macksting> Aaaaaah. Sorry, I hadn't gotten instructions to reboot.
[02:08] <sebsebseb> hi
[02:08] <tomreyn> we should have explained, yes
[02:10] <macksting> Sorry for my end, I'm trying my best but I'm kinda being pretty literal so as to not leap ahead on much.
[02:11] <macksting> In essence, I'm playing a bit dumb because my very limited degree of expertise and my very limited ability to get this far enough by Google and my own efforts have ended repeatedly in failure.
[02:11] <macksting> But I'm very, very curious about that thing with the 1 TB drive for booting.
[02:11] <macksting> 'Cause I'm using a 3 TB drive, and if that's at all a problem for BIOS...
[02:11] <macksting> Suffice to say it'd explain a lot.
[02:11] <tomreyn> macksting: 1 TB drive? you spoke about 3 TB earlier
[02:12] <macksting> bashing
[02:12] <macksting> Tom, didn't you say a 1 TB would be ideal, though?
[02:12] <macksting> 'Cause I'm using a 3 TB, and --
[02:12] <tomreyn> i didn't say so, no
[02:12] <macksting> Oh. Who was that.
[02:13] <macksting> Maybe nobody. I hope I'm not seeing things. Anyway, I got into the terminal emulator, and fisk isn't on this live disk.
[02:13] <macksting> I guess.
[02:13] <macksting> Command not found.
[02:13] <tomreyn> yes that's a typo
[02:13] <macksting> Oh.
[02:13] <tomreyn> sudo fdisk -lu
[02:14] <tomreyn> sorry, i didn't notice
[02:14] <tomreyn> let's actually make this:
[02:14] <macksting> i just assumed it meant fish
[02:14] <tomreyn> sudo fisk -lu | nc termbin.com 9999
[02:14] <tomreyn> get the system online before oyu run it
[02:14] <macksting> https://termbin.com/nteh
[02:15] <macksting> wait I'm sorry, what do you mean get the system online?
[02:15] <macksting> Oh, you mean on the net.
[02:15] <Bashing-om> macksting: While we look, consider: https://serverfault.com/questions/259337/using-3tb-hdd-as-boot-drive-on-non-efi-bios .
[02:15] <tomreyn> it worked
[02:15] <macksting> I shall consider, and hopefully learn.
[02:16] <lavinho> good night
[02:16] <lavinho> my touchpad not working
[02:17] <tomreyn> yes, it could be that the bios you have is unable to boot off this disk since it's > 2TB. only some old BIOSes have this limitation but your is old enough that this could be an explanation.
[02:17] <lavinho> elantech
[02:17] <lavinho> note listed on xinput
[02:17] <tomreyn> macksting: ^
[02:17] <Bashing-om> macksting: GPT partitioning here ,, think that the above link does not apply :)
[02:17] <macksting> Oh.
[02:19] <tomreyn> macksting: please run this next:   sudo apt update; sudo apt install smartmontools; sudo smartctl -x /dev/sda 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[02:19] <tomreyn> this gets some diagnostic data from your hdd
[02:19] <macksting> Working on it now.
[02:20] <macksting> o7
[02:20] <macksting> Um. It's asking me about mail configuration.
[02:20] <macksting> Is that important at all?
[02:21] <tomreyn> no
[02:21] <tomreyn> you can leave it unconfigured
[02:21]  * macksting nods, keeps on trucking without configuring that.
[02:22] <macksting> Oh jeez. Somebody with the username Hey. There's no way somebody hasn't said, Hey, listen.
[02:23] <macksting> https://termbin.com/ll2j
[02:23] <macksting> shoot
[02:23] <macksting> I feel silly now.
[02:23] <macksting> https://termbin.com/iorc
[02:23] <macksting> That's much more sensible.
[02:24] <macksting> Now, uh, let's say it turns out I do have a 1 TB drive, can back up everything on it and reformat it, and... stuff.
[02:24] <macksting> And it's not USB or anything.
[02:24] <macksting> But we'll, uh, get back to that?
[02:24] <macksting> I have a lot of drives.
[02:26] <tomreyn> macksting: this drive you just posted the info for still seems to be  ok, so physical decay is probably not the source of this issue. i think Bashing-om's theory may apply, still, even though it's the more modern partitioning scheme you have.
[02:27]  * macksting nods.
[02:27] <monkey1> Hi there. How can i find what's launching a python script at boot/login if i just know the name and location of such script?
[02:27]  * macksting , curious, opens gparted to look.
[02:27] <monkey1> btw, ubuntu 14.04
[02:28] <tomreyn> you are bios booting off a 3 TB disk, where at least part of the partition which contains /boot and thus the kernel to be booted into by grub, is beyond 2 TB.
[02:28] <macksting> So the solution would be to partition off part of it?
[02:28] <tomreyn> so i'd suggest you retry with a smaller HDD, one which is <= 2 TB in size
[02:29] <macksting> I think I can do that instead.
[02:29] <macksting> I'll definitely want to move a few files.
[02:29] <tomreyn> i also suggest you create another installer disk, just to be sure you have something to cross test with.
[02:29] <tomreyn> ideally write it to a usb stick instead
[02:30] <tomreyn> it's faster, more convenient, boots differently.
[02:30] <tomreyn> and often (not always) less error prone than optical disks.
[02:30] <tomreyn> and you can do it right now, form the live system you are running
[02:31] <the2048> DVDs aren't the worst but I prefer USB (some laptops don't have DVD drives anymore, damn it Apple)
[02:31] <macksting> I think I can spare a stick for that.
[02:31] <s3nd1v0g1us> why do i no loger see desktop date/time as an option on apps?
[02:31] <macksting> And yeah, now you mention it, a *lot* of lappies totally lack optical.
[02:31] <s3nd1v0g1us> im using budgie
[02:33] <tomreyn> monkey1: hmm, that's hard to tell. i guess i would grep -rF /etc for this script name. but note that Ubuntu 14.04 is on the brim to loosing support. you should really upgrade, or reinstall something newer, such as ubuntu 18.04 LTS
[02:33] <macksting> So it sounds like I should clear the stuff off my 1 TB drive (which may entail as little as making sure I already have them backed up on the 9 TB drive) and then reinstall Lubuntu onto the 1 TB drive, reformating it as I do so?
[02:33] <macksting> And that *should* work?
[02:34] <tomreyn> macksting: yes, but just do a standard installation, no custom parittioning, no need to tick 'reformat this' anywhere. the installer should do the right thing already.
[02:35] <monkey1> tomreyn: i'm aware of the support cycle but it is running on a olpc laptop and they created the issue i'm dealing with, they most likely won't get them to a newer LTS
[02:35] <tomreyn> macksting: if you want it more fancy you can reinstall with custom partitioning later. it's just to ensure this can actually work out.
[02:36] <macksting> I don't think I was aware it was particularly fancy partitioning, at that.
[02:36] <tomreyn> macksting: and be sure to use the 18.04.2 installer this time, just to make sure it's not some bug fix got fixed since.
[02:36] <macksting> At only 1 TB, I'm not sure I want fancy anyway.
[02:36] <macksting> Shoot, really? Dangit.
[02:36]  * macksting pouts.
[02:36] <macksting> That's more worrrrrrrrk
[02:36] <tomreyn> You will survive, I'm sure.
[02:36] <macksting> yeah i know
[02:37] <the2048> 1 TB is definitely enough for most uses (you're installing what you need, then use the rest of the drives for all your media)
[02:37] <the2048> But some will want 2 TB
[02:37] <macksting> A lot of my games seem to want to take up a lot of space, so I have often preferred to put my home directory elsewhere.
[02:37] <tomreyn> monkey1: is this because some of the hardware is not well supported on newer linux versions?
[02:37] <macksting> I've been avoiding doing anything fancy lately though.
[02:38] <tomreyn> macksting: you can easily add more disks later, but be sure to only have this one HDD and this one USB stick connected by the time you install.
[02:38] <tomreyn> moving /home to a different disk later will be easy.
[02:38] <macksting> Will do.
[02:39] <macksting> Is it? I'll have to come back and ask how.
[02:39] <monkey1> tomreyn: don't think so, and i'm not able to test for that. Wish i could just install a fresh system to check.
[02:39] <macksting> I'm not leaving just yet, but I'll probably have to suspend everything for a bit so I can play with my kid for an hour.
[02:39] <tomreyn> sure, there'll be people here to help.
[02:40] <tomreyn> monkey1: i'm not sure about their specifications, do you know them OTOH?
[02:40] <tomreyn> monkey1: also IIRC they came with teir own distribution, i assume you prefer running ubuntu there? which desktop?
[02:41] <donofrio> how do we get inxi updated to make the iso for 19.04 ? inxi 3.0.32-00 (2019-02-07)
[02:42] <donofrio> right now current one has bad weather and not working this one ricks
[02:42] <donofrio> rocks
[02:42] <monkey1> tomreyn: The system is (i believe) an ECS EF20EA with 14.04 and Gnome fallback. I installed xfce as it would crawl with gnome.
[02:43] <tomreyn> monkey1: here's the specifications - this CPU is not very fast indeed, 32-bit, and if i get this right it only has 256 MB RAM, which is definitely not enough anymore for anything other than text: http://laptop.org/en/laptop/hardware/specs.shtml
[02:43] <monkey1> tomreyn: sorry, what do you mean with OTOH?
[02:44] <tomreyn> monkey1: off the top of your head. whether you remember the specifications. but you already responded to this. sorry about the abbreviation.
[02:45] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | donofrio
[02:45] <monkey1> tomreyn: i think they have them with 2 gb of ram and a 32 gb emmc for the OS
[02:45] <tomreyn> monkey1: maybe there are different hardware versions?
[02:46] <monkey1> tomreyn: http://www.ecs.com.tw/m/Product/Product_Spec.aspx?TypeID=145&LanID=0&DetailID=1685
[02:46] <tomreyn> these are different specifications http://one.laptop.org/about/specs
[02:47] <monkey1> tomreyn: the specs are on the link, but they have them with ubuntu instead of 10
[02:47] <tomreyn> monkey1: i thought yuo had an OLPC? what is EF20EA?
[02:48] <monkey1> tomreyn: my bad, said olpc as my understanding takes that for the name of the "program"
[02:48] <monkey1> EF20EA is the laptop's model
[02:49] <tomreyn> i see
[02:50]  * the2048 thinks
[02:50] <the2048> what
[02:50] <tomreyn> monkey1: okay so 2 GB RAM, and a cherry trail (ATOM X series) CPU
[02:51] <tomreyn> however, some of the 2 GB RAM are used for graphics memory, so its actually less
[02:51] <monkey1> tomreyn: so back at my Q, if the scrip i'm looking is called registro.py i should issue 'grep -rF registro /etc' ?
[02:51] <tomreyn> grep -rF 'registro.py' /etc
[02:52] <monkey1> ok
[02:52] <tomreyn> ah, add sudo
[02:52] <tomreyn> and about ubuntu, yes, i think this system can run a more light-weight ubuntu 18.04 desktop, such as lubuntu
[02:53] <monkey1> tomreyn: regarding the specs, is not that bad for education i guess... sadly i think they could have done better with a lighter OS in this case
[02:55] <monkey1> tomreyn: it did it! thanks! in just 1 sec. I should put some more time mastering the cli :)
[02:57] <tomreyn> !terminal | monkey1
[02:57] <tomreyn> indeed ;)
[02:59] <monkey1> tomreyn: now to digg on why it launches it almost 20 times at session start
[02:59] <tomreyn> don't spend too much time on this, better focus on your next ubuntu installation
[03:30] <monkey1> tomreyn: i'll surely spent more time with my ubuntu machine! as soon as i disable this anoying script
[03:34] <the2048> Lots of people are leaving and joining
[03:35] <learningc> what's the proper shebang to start a script in ubuntu?
[03:35] <the2048> Depends on your default shell
[03:35] <rwp> learningc, If you are wanting a shell script then #!/bin/sh but if you are wanting a bash script then #!/bin/bash
[03:36] <the2048> That's that then
[03:36] <rwp> Any ideas how to set autoraise on mouse focus?  On a pristine 18.04 installation.
[03:37] <rwp> There seems to be no way to set a setting for autoraise.
[03:38] <rwp> Focus follows mouse with autoraise is what my friend would like to configure.  I am trying to help.
[03:38] <learningc> rwp, what's the difference between aforementioned shell script and bash script? I thought bash is a shell?
[03:41] <rwp> learningc, /bin/sh is a POSIX standard portable shell.  Portable across operating systems and versions.  /bin/bash is version specific and has many extensions such as arrays.
[03:43] <Bashing-om> learningc: The she-bang tells what interpreter to use .. there are many "shells".
[03:43] <rwp> It is also used to specify python and perl and ruby scripts too.
[04:14] <macksting> tomreyn You still here?
[04:17] <Bob_Dole> So why exactly is the behavior of ubuntu to delay booting for 5+ minutes if you don't have ethernet plugged in?
[04:17] <Bob_Dole> and how exactly do I make it not do that
[04:20] <qwebirc13120> My extended monitor stopped working after a recent update for Ubuntu 18.04 bis there a way to troubleshoot this or rollback the update?
[06:29] <Jantz> Ok it's not the OS freezing , music keeps playing just mouse keeps freezing and keyboard acts up like wildly deletes and adds characters any help anyone?
[06:31] <Jantz> Ubuntu 18.04lts is what I'm using
[06:35] <Nauj> hola
[07:11] <pragomer> how can I get opencl support. I am on ubuntu 18.04 and have an nvidia GTX 1050ti with driver 390. But no opencl
[08:05] <acresearch> hi
[08:06] <acresearch> people i need help, i cannot seem to connect to apt to update and install packages,   anyone can help me?
[08:06] <acresearch> even though i am online
[08:07] <acresearch> if fails to connect to spesific URLs
[08:09] <Tankburn> Hey
[08:09] <Tankburn> what kind of error do you get?
[08:09] <elseif> whatus up
[08:10] <Tankburn> hey @elseif
[08:11] <acresearch> Tankburn: i am trying to send a paste, but paste websites are blocked, can you reccomend a paste site?
[08:13] <Tankburn> dont wanna use pastebin?
[08:14] <ducasse> acresearch: is paste.ubuntu.com blocked?
[08:15] <acresearch> Tankburn: https://pastebin.com/JxymzSFd
[08:15] <acresearch> ducasse: yes blocked
[08:22] <Tankburn> if you add a new source does it block that too?
[08:22] <Tankburn> if you add a new rep
[08:23] <Tankburn> also can you visit those site using your browser?
[08:23] <Tankburn> since they are port 80
[08:28] <ducasse> acresearch: those look like temporary problems to me, but you can ask about problems with your particular mirror in #ubuntu-mirrors
[08:29] <Tankburn> how do you mean temporary problems ducasse?
[08:29] <Tankburn> curious
[08:30] <ducasse> Tankburn: these things happen now and then, and usually get resolved pretty quickly
[08:33] <maxou> Hello got an issue with an ubuntu 18.04 inside a virtualbox on my windows 10 desktop. BEfore (1 week) it work very well but now when i lunch it, It's blocked on "[ ok ] Started Gnome display Manager." but I dont have my login screen like before .. someone have an idea ?
[08:35] <Tankburn> it seems like it is a client side issue as I can browse though via the site, however we will never know unless he checks it in a browser or tries to ping the address
[08:36] <Tankburn> hello maxou
[08:37] <maxou> Hello
[08:37] <maxou> Tankburn
[08:37] <Tankburn> just having a think
[08:37] <Thorr> hey guys, after bios flash to actual version my system don't start up, message is "uncompression-error  ---- System halted". Anyone know this.QX6850 core 2 extreme The System even don't react with boot-sticks,SD-Cards, Live systems, luckily i had a backup of the old bios
[08:40] <Tankburn> maxou: if you hold down the shift key and get to the GRUB menu...
[08:40] <Tankburn> do you have an option of running on an older kernel version?
[08:41] <maxou> let me try
[08:41] <Tankburn> Thorr: can you at lest get to your BIOS menu?
[08:41] <Tankburn> least*
[08:42] <Tankburn> current BIOS*
[08:43] <maxou> tankburn : no nothing happen
[08:43] <Tankburn> it boots to the same point and gets stuck?
[08:44] <maxou> yes
[08:45] <maxou> the only thing change before last week is I change one of my monitor :/
[08:46] <maxou> I will try a clean reboot of the computer ;p
[08:47] <Tankburn> ok when you come back to the chat I have more question for you
[08:47] <Tankburn> let me know how you go
[08:50] <maxou> ok thx I will back in 5 min
[08:58] <maxou_> I m back Tankbrun but it's same :(
[08:59] <maxou_> something I dont say when he come to the gnome step the vbox window bacome blink full black 3 times
[08:59] <maxou_> like he try something but no
[09:01] <maxou_> foudn this https://stackoverflow.com/questions/24390076/gdm-display-manager-fails-to-display-login
[09:02] <Tankburn> if you get stuck at that point will it let you hit CTRL + ALT + F2 to open a terminal?
[09:03] <Tankburn> Oh lol ok try that article
[09:03] <maxou_> yes
[09:03] <Tankburn> sounds like you might be onto something there
[09:03] <maxou_> I m in
[09:03] <Tankburn> nice
[09:03] <maxou_> I m in terminal
[09:03] <maxou_> should I try lightDM ?
[09:04] <Tankburn> yeah give it a shot
[09:04] <Tankburn> let me know if it doesnt install
[09:06] <Tankburn> you might want to run df to make sure you are not out of space... can happen sometimes
[09:06] <_V_> ls
[09:06] <_V_> ls
[09:06] <_V_> ls
[09:07] <_V_> sorry
[09:07] <Tankburn> lol
[09:07] <_V_> how to learn hacking ?
[09:07] <Tankburn> udemy.com
[09:08] <Tankburn> ethical hacking that is.
[09:08] <Tankburn> :)
[09:08] <_V_> wait let me see
[09:08] <Tankburn> maxou, how are you going mate?
[09:09] <Tankburn> sorted?
[09:09] <_V_> ????
[09:10] <maxou_> Strange now I can go to login page
[09:10] <maxou_> but when i type my password like in terminal for login it back me to login page witheout error msg :D
[09:11] <Tankburn> ok it might of been an update that broke it. could to do an image backup every now and again since you are running a Vbox...
[09:11] <Tankburn> good news though :)
[09:12] <maxou_> mm
[09:12] <maxou_> I dont know i can login :)
[09:12] <maxou_> can't
[09:13] <_V_> i can't use my multifinger to scrooldown on ubuntu 18.04 LTS
[09:13] <_V_> how to fix it?
[09:14] <sazawal> Hello. I want to establish linux to linux internet sharing via bluetooth. So far it didn't work for me using blueman. Can someone direct me to relevant tutorials or channels?
[09:16] <Tankburn> maxou
[09:16] <Tankburn> I see
[09:17] <Tankburn> have you tried going back to the command line and using the df command
[09:17] <Tankburn> ?
[09:18] <Tankburn> just to make sure your disk isnt full?
[09:27] <guiverc> maxou_, I agree with Tankburn; if you are out of disk space in $HOME (your user directory), your gui/desktop won't be able to create needed work files & login fails; you are returned to greeter without error message, but you can login using a terminal (ctrl+alt+f4 etc) and see if you have space in /home/$USER/
[09:34] <maxou_> YEs I just check but all seems ok
[09:35] <maxou_> I tried nvidia solution from here : https://askubuntu.com/questions/223501/ubuntu-gets-stuck-in-a-login-loop
[09:37] <maxou_> but not worked
[09:38] <maxou_> screenshot of df -h in terminal :
[09:38] <maxou_> https://ibb.co/MMWhHKj
[09:40] <guiverc> maxou_, unless out of inodes (`df -hi` though its unlikely) its not related to space.. I can't help with nvidia/graphics issues though sorry
[09:42] <maxou_> I try lxdm ;)
[09:47] <qwebirc77105> hi, I try to compile the latest kernel taged ubuntu-4.15.0-46.49 but it is failing with: /bin/bash: ./scripts/ubuntu-retpoline-extract-one: No such file or directory. Do I have to install anything extra for that or do I simply have to switch to an older version that works?
[09:48] <maxou_> ok lxdm is working , ugly but working :D
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc77105: we dont reccomend compiling kernels, use !mainline instead
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> !mainline | qwebirc77105
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc77105: also, the kernel version you trying, is current bionic kernel
[09:51] <marcoagpinto> heya
[09:51] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[09:52] <qwebirc77105> lotuspsychje, ubottu: well the usecase is that I would like to turn on some debugging features in the kernel so I guess I have to?
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc77105: debugging features?
[09:54] <qwebirc77105> lotuspsychje: kasan for example
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc77105: how about you tell us what you really want to do? is something not working as expected?
[09:57] <qwebirc77105> I wrote a kernel module and I want to make sure everything is working fine. Since I am not that experienced with linux kernel development I want to double check and use the tools that are in the kernel. There are more like undefined behaviour sanitizer, lock debugging features and so on. I managed to compile an older commit but was curious if it just isn't supposed to work or if I made an error I should correct.
[09:58] <qwebirc77105> lotuspsychje: I wrote a kernel module and I want to make sure everything is working fine. Since I am not that experienced with linux kernel development I want to double check and use the tools that are in the kernel. There are more like undefined behaviour sanitizer, lock debugging features and so on. I managed to compile an older commit but was curious if it just isn't supposed to work or if I made an error I should correct.
[09:58] <mt_> Hello to all
[09:58] <mt_> question
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc77105: well we dont really support kernel compiling maybe try ##kernel also when using own compile, we cant support that neither
[09:59] <mt_> there is any way to boot OS from VHD file located in USB
[10:00] <qwebirc77105> lotuspsychje: ok thank you
[10:04] <unimatrix9> when connecting to wifi hotspot i get Load cannot follow more than 20 redirections , in the popup window , what program creates the popup ( 18.04 lts )
[10:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:24] <yuradoc> hello. may somebody has some advice. i use kde plasma on kubuntu 18.10. I have problem with descktop icons. Mostly I use external desktop, but when I use laptop desktop only - icons on desktop not clickable
[10:25] <yuradoc> only way for me to make them work is to change resolution and revert it
[10:25] <yuradoc> when i use external desktop - everything OK
[10:41] <arch1mede> anyone getting these? snapd: udevmon.go:190: udev monitor observed remove event...  and know how to silence them?
[10:42] <arch1mede> ubuntu 18.02
[10:47] <mmkumr> Trying to install Ubuntu 18.10 from usb. It's showing error 'no default or ui configuration directive found!'
[10:50] <guiverc> mmkumr, all i can suggest is when you reboot your Ubuntu 18.10 install media and see a person-in-circle & keyboard-in-box type of logo bottom of screen, you hit a key & get a menu, then check-install-media option to ensure your media (download & write) were good
[10:56] <svip> Ubuntu's screenshot utility has a feature to upload to imgur, where can I get the delete link from this utility?
[11:10] <root> hi
[11:11] <Guest42812> whoami
[11:11] <Guest42812> whami
[11:20] <lavinho> good morning
[11:20] <lavinho> jermery31
[11:20] <lavinho> update bios
[11:21] <lavinho> but not touchpad function
[11:23] <jeremy31> lavinho: did you install my fix from github?  Is Secure Boot disabled?
[11:24] <lavinho> paste url
[11:24] <lavinho> please
[11:24] <jeremy31> lavinho, any result for> dkms status
[11:24] <lavinho> no results
[11:25] <lavinho> lspci results
[11:25] <lavinho> 00:00.2 IOMMU: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 15d1
[11:25] <jeremy31> lavinho: run commands at https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/99ec9f7ad963d2be620a5973f298760e then reboot
[11:26] <jeremy31> lavinho, don't post lspci results
[11:26] <lavinho> ok
[11:27] <jeremy31> lavinho: after running those commands in terminal and reboot, check BIOS to see if IOMMU is disabled
[11:27] <BluesKaj> !enter | lavinho
[11:27] <lavinho> iommu not appear in bios
[11:38] <lavinho> no funtion
[11:38] <Guest76773> hello
[11:51] <sducnc> hello
[11:59] <sducnc> anyone here?
[11:59] <LaserAllan_> sure
[11:59] <sducnc> haha
[11:59] <BertyCoX> hi
[12:00] <sducnc> i thought only me just now
[12:01] <sducnc> 所以你们在哪里的啊
[12:02] <leftyfb> sducnc: This is a support channel (English speaking only). Do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[12:02] <sducnc> sorry
[12:04] <PhatEars> hey
[12:07] <unimatrix9> ubuntu 18.04 public wifi network pop ups a connection window, what program is doing that ?
[12:09] <CyberGhost78> anyone here that can help with an Ubuntu MATE question
[12:09] <rory> maybe CyberGhost78  - ask it and find out - but if it's directly related to MATE I think #ubuntu-mate channel also exists
[12:09] <CyberGhost78> yeah no one ever responds in there
[12:09] <rory> unimatrix9: Pretty sure that's a feature of network-manager
[12:09] <BluesKaj> unimatrix9, system settings>network-manager perhaps
[12:09] <rory> well go ahead and ask CyberGhost78
[12:10] <CyberGhost78> and I've already posted in the forum and no one answered
[12:10] <CyberGhost78> ok
[12:10] <rory> make the next thing you say be your question
[12:11] <CyberGhost78> when I'm watching a movie with vlc the audio repeats itself twice then goes back to normal. this happens over and over throughout the movie. like when someone is talking the words repeat twice
[12:12] <CyberGhost78> or even listening to music it does the same thing
[12:12] <CyberGhost78> but it doesn't do it in Windows. I have a dual boot system
[12:12] <rory> the audio is skipping? or like... duplicating so you hear two voices at once?
[12:13] <CyberGhost78> no it repeats the same words or sounds twice real quick
[12:13] <rory> >or even listening to music - with any appication? or this problem only occurs in VLC?
[12:13] <CyberGhost78> I only use Vic
[12:13] <CyberGhost78> vlc
[12:13] <rory> have you noticed it on youtube or anything else?
[12:14] <CyberGhost78> no it doesn't do it on YouTube
[12:14] <realies> trying to setup two network adapters for ubuntu bionic server under virtualbox and only the first one shows up
[12:14] <CyberGhost78> it did it on rhythmbox too
[12:14] <realies> any ideas what i might be doing wrong?
[12:14] <CyberGhost78> I'm thinking its the linux audio drivers
[12:15] <CyberGhost78> maybe not very compatible with my hardware
[12:16] <CyberGhost78> I mean I overlook it cuz it's not that big of a deal but its kind of annoying and if I could find a fix then that would be great
[12:16] <rory> Can you try disabling realtime processing in PulseAudio by running the following command in a terminal:
[12:17] <rory> echo realtime-scheduling = no | sudo tee -a /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
[12:17] <CyberGhost78> I met one other user who has the same problem so I guess its not that common. I looked online and haven't had any luck finding a fix yet
[12:17] <rory> If it doesn't work we will revert that
[12:17] <CyberGhost78> ok
[12:17] <rory> Not sure if you'll need to reboot after that, or maybe just log out and back in
[12:17] <BluesKaj> CyberGhost78, 2 audio instances running simultaneously maybe
[12:17] <rory> i'll brb 5 mins, let me know if it works
[12:18] <rory> i'm just going from this random dude's blog post https://fitzcarraldoblog.wordpress.com/2017/04/20/stuttering-audio-in-linux-pulseaudio-strikes-again/
[12:18] <CyberGhost78> ok I'll do it in a bit. have to go to the restroom
[12:19] <rory> it's possible that option is already "no" by default on Ubuntu but it cannot hurt to try - as I said we can revert it if it does nothing.
[12:19] <rory> petition to change topic for #ubuntu to "blind leading the blind"
[12:21] <Tin_man> CyberGhost78, dual booting can bring issues that are hard to trace.. might try running a live Ubuntu (without windows) and see if you still have the audio issues..
[12:22] <rory> i doubt it's related to the dual boot per se, but running in a live session could be useful, as you'll know if it's hardware compatibility, vs some problem with your installation.
[12:24] <CyberGhost78> ok sorry back
[12:24] <CyberGhost78> going to try that command now
[12:26] <CyberGhost78> ok rory I did the command now I will test a song
[12:27] <rory> you will need to restart pulseaudio by some means, probably by logging out and in
[12:27] <CyberGhost78> oh ok well let me log out and back in hold on
[12:28] <rory> or you can try: pulseaudio -k && sudo alsa force-reload
[12:29] <CyberGhost78> ok logged out and back in. testing song now rory
[12:31] <Tin_man> bummer now he lost internet connection..
[12:31] <rory> that was a deliberate disconnect, maybe rebooting
[12:32] <Tin_man> im just kidding.. :)
[12:32] <CyberGhost78> sorry got disconnected
[12:33] <CyberGhost78> well rory it didn't do it throughout the whole song so maybe its fixed
[12:33] <rory> fingers crossed
[12:34] <CyberGhost78> can you give me that command again so I can make a note of it for future reference please rory
[12:34] <skinnymg1> fill all the ticket info...
[12:34] <skinnymg1> lol
[12:34] <Tin_man> will that command, regress back to it's original settings?
[12:35] <rory> CyberGhost78: the command was just to write one line to one file - the file was the PulseAudio config file /etc/pulse/daemon.conf - the config line was setting "realtime-scheduling" to "no"
[12:35] <rory> CyberGhost78: You can edit that file: sudo nano /etc/pulse/daemon.conf - go to the end, you will see the line we added.
[12:36] <CyberGhost78> ok thanks
[12:36] <Tin_man> glad to see I'm not the only one to use nano..
[12:36] <CyberGhost78> yeah I use it too
[12:36] <rory> well it ships by default so it's quicker than having an argument about it
[12:36] <CyberGhost78> true
[12:36] <CyberGhost78> thanks rory
[12:37] <rory> you're welcome. I have to go now. Here are some ducks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62FvKC62rus
[12:39] <Tin_man> that would be better if they were penguins
[12:40] <slackx> s
[12:45] <mfoo> Hello - may I ask what the build tooling for producing the Cloud Guest images (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/Images) is? Is there some documentation around it?
[12:56] <kubali> oops
[12:59] <ren0v0> is it no longer possible to view files by image size in nautilus
[12:59] <ren0v0> on 18.04 ?
[13:00] <kubkde> should be an option to do so
[13:00] <kubkde> do you mean hovering over and see a preview of size or as a column?
[13:01] <Ool> perhaps in nemo, or into a terminal with ls -larSh /mydir/
[13:01] <ren0v0> kubkde, as a column
[13:02] <kubkde> what distro you on
[13:02] <kubkde> i might as well boot it up and check it out
[13:02] <ren0v0> ubuntu, obviously :D
[13:03] <kubkde> :p
[13:03] <skinnymg1> ren0v0, click the four little boxes in the top right corner
[13:03] <ren0v0> Ool, just installed nemo but don't see the option
[13:03] <kubkde> mmk ill load up my vm and check it out, im sure seone else got iit covered tho
[13:04] <ren0v0> skinnymg1, ?
[13:04] <skinnymg1> in nautilus
[13:05] <ren0v0> and do what, it doesn't give any relevant options
[13:05] <Ool> in fact with nautilus I have the possibility to see the object size
[13:05] <skinnymg1> it should switch the view
[13:05] <kubkde> .4 ot .10?
[13:06] <ren0v0> skinnymg1, sorry that isn't what i'm trying to do, i'm trying to view by image size
[13:06] <ren0v0> .4 kubkde
[13:06] <kubkde> oh
[13:06] <kubkde> oops
[13:06] <kubkde> lol
[13:06] <ren0v0> There is a package called "nautilus-columns" that seems like it should do this, but it's broken on 18.04 it seems
[13:06] <ren0v0> https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/webupd8/bionic/main/base/nautilus-columns
[13:06] <kubkde> i've been thinking about it, distro upgrades i mean
[13:07] <ren0v0> has some python dependancies that are uninstallable
[13:07] <kubkde> there really hasnt been much to justify getting 18.10 or 19.04
[13:07] <kubkde> but god damn if i dont crave having 'disco' in my repo
[13:08] <kubkde> odd that you'd need a separate package for such a simple thing
[13:08] <kubkde> have you considered dolphin?
[13:08] <kubkde> loading up live cd btw
[13:11] <platz> gpg --sign seems to include the data.  is it encrypted?
[13:12] <kubkdee> ?
[13:12] <kubkdee> oh gdi
[13:12] <ren0v0> kubkdee, it does seem like that PPA is broken
[13:13] <kubkde> hm
[13:13] <kubkde> i dont remember the last time i used gnome :p
[13:14] <the2048> ...
[13:15] <kubkde> im hesitant on using that ppa
[13:15] <kubkde> is it maintained?
[13:15] <ren0v0> it's one of the largest i think
[13:16] <ren0v0> webupd8
[13:18] <skinnymg1> ren0v0, https://i.imgur.com/dhhb9TB.png
[13:19] <PhatEars> yo
[13:20] <PhatEars> \
[13:20] <ren0v0> skinnymg1, not file size, image size.
[13:20] <ren0v0> its fine, i've sorted it out with a different PPA, can view all sorts of metadata now :)
[13:20] <anon_0> .
[13:21] <the2048> I'm surprised at how long my writing of an image is taking (then again I'm using front panel USB ports), 6 to 7 minutes. Then again, I've got time, don't I?
[13:23] <kubkde> @ren0v0 how'd youfix it?
[13:23] <kubkde> you found a better maintained ppa
[13:23] <kubkde> ?
[13:24] <kubkde> well, no matter, hf with it
[13:25] <kubkde> do you guys have any preferred file managers besides nautilus or is that the go-to for browsing files?
[13:26] <skinnymg1> i use mc the majority of the time
[13:28] <kubkde> looks sweet
[13:29] <ducasse> ranger for terminals, spacefm for gui
[13:29] <carrot_> A recent update has cause my external monitor not to be recognized does anyone know how to roll back the update or troubleshoot the issue? My OS is 18.04 LTS.
[13:38] <kubkde> ranger huh? having to cd ls cd ls ls -A etc etc is a pain
[13:38] <kubkde> nice
[13:39] <kubkde> so i have a gaudy theme for my terminal (moe theme). it's helpful because the brightness makes it easier to read. but is mc supposed to be overbearingly pink?
[13:40] <the2048> I don't think it is. I haven't used mc though
[13:40] <kubkde> hm
[13:40] <the2048> Yeah from Googling it, it's supposed to be like a dark blue
[13:40] <kubkde> ill go through mc/ranger/spacefm
[13:40] <kubkde> dolphin is pretty bad
[13:41] <kubkde> lol dark blue would've been much better than this https://i.imgur.com/DuEPHaR.png
[13:42] <pragmaticenigma> kubkde: That photo it would appear high contrast mode is enabled or color inversion
[13:43] <kubkde> mm that's actually my themee
[13:43] <kubkde> it can be a bit much sometimes
[13:51] <kubkde> @pragmaticenigma here's my eye burning theme, toned down https://i.imgur.com/C0VgBkl.png
[13:52] <kubkde> you know it's possible to burn literal holes in you eyes from using screens that are too bright
[13:52] <kubkde> maybe i shouldn't use moe..
[13:54] <pragmaticenigma> kubkde: Perhaps this is a good time to head over to #ubuntu-offtopic to further talk about themes
[13:58] <Tim_> Hi everyone
[13:59] <Guest38274> @FurretUber:
[14:00] <Guest38274> do you know a java script code which makes a html file that stops the time it is opened by a internet browser?
[14:00] <leftyfb> !ot | Guest38274
[14:02] <OerHeks> guest, try ##java ?
[14:02] <lordcirth> javascript, not java
[14:02] <BluesKaj> hey OerHeks which greeter does ubuntu nowadays?
[14:02] <BluesKaj> use
[14:02] <johnfg> hi folks
[14:03] <the2048> Hello johnfg
[14:03] <johnfg> I'm on an almost brand new install of 18.04 desktop.
[14:03] <johnfg> I'm having trouble getting the x11vnc server to start properly.
[14:03] <leftyfb> johnfg: x11vnc -xkb -noxrecord -noxfixes -noxdamage -display :0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -usepw
[14:04] <johnfg> With all my searching, I've not found anything reliable to start it.
[14:04] <johnfg> leftyfb: That looks close, but I'm running gdm.
[14:04] <johnfg> are you running a different desktop, maybe xfce?
[14:04] <leftyfb> johnfg: as am I. And it works fine
[14:04] <leftyfb> ah, right. The run file
[14:04] <leftyfb> hold on
[14:06] <pragmaticenigma> BluesKaj: If you mean graphical login greeter, gddm I think
[14:06] <BluesKaj> pragmaticenigma, yes, thanks
[14:07] <lastc> Hello!, I just installed xubuntu and I'm just loking for a way to set custom hotkey commands (specifically ctrl + alt + t  for the terminal emulator), do you know about a way to set them up in xfce?
[14:07] <leftyfb> johnfg: funny enough, it still works fine
[14:09] <johnfg> Any idea why x11vnc isn't packaged with an x11vnc.service file?
[14:09] <leftyfb> johnfg: contact the developer?
[14:18] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers#x11vnc gives the service file
[14:20] <OerHeks> but x11vnc and gdm3 have an issue: the login screen with VNC while using GDM3 is currently not possible
[14:21] <qwebirc68746> Ola. I am setting up Ubuntu Server with ejabberd 19.02, installed offline with CLI dpkg the package. To use ejabberd CLI bash.bashrc is missing some sources. My tries to include them breaks bash.bashrc or do not have effects. May someone check this: https://pastebin.com/uXYzurRS
[14:23] <qwebirc68746> any ubuntu server / ejabberd addicted in here :D ?
[14:24] <the2048_> I'm trying to install 18.04.2 but it keeps erroring
[14:24] <fleabeard> qwebirc68746, you may want to register a nick and /join #ubuntu-server
[14:24] <kubkde> @the2048 what's your error?
[14:24] <kubkde> and your hardware specs
[14:25] <the2048_> "No root filesystem is defined. Please correct this from the partitioning menu "
[14:26] <qwebirc68746> merci fleabeard but I do not want to register :P
[14:27] <the2048> Any solution?
[14:27] <qwebirc68746> define some root partition.
[14:28] <the2048> That's what I'm attempting to do
[14:28] <qwebirc68746> read how to manual partition properly or use guieded install
[14:28] <the2048> I'm in the guided installer
[14:28] <the2048> It's just asking me which hard drive I want it on
[14:29] <the2048> I did choose the "Something else" when it came to the point of installing
[14:29] <qwebirc68746> i would NOT recommend the "maualfullsystemencryption" by the way. Grub-Refresher scripts does not work properly and causes grub issues often so you need to manualy fix it after some updates. so stick with the installer encryption if desired
[14:29] <kubkde> Have you done a manual installation before?
[14:29] <qwebirc68746> something else requires you to partition and this requires you to reed some howto because as some newbie you wont know
[14:29] <the2048> Fair
[14:29] <kubkde> And are you interested in having an ESP parition?
[14:30] <the2048> I'm not interested in having ESP, no
[14:30] <the2048> Right now I'm just going back a step in the installer
[14:30] <kubkde> So you boot from BIOS, I see. I do use ESP but I'll replicate the process in a VM right now so I can learn it myself.
[14:30] <the2048> Oh and that seems to want to work
[14:31] <kubkde> Btw your problem is probably just needing to set a root partition by mounting / on whichever partition you'd like to use
[14:31] <the2048> Yeah
[14:31] <the2048> However I've already gone back one step in the installer, and chosen to erase disk and install (I have two hard drives)
[14:32] <kubkde> Uhhhh
[14:32] <kubkde> Haha be caeful
[14:32] <qwebirc68746> just read a howto manual partition. takes 1 minute if you understandi t right away or 15 with some headache
[14:32] <kubkde> 30 with added frustration :^)
[14:32] <the2048> I know which one it is to erase (the primary drive has two partitions, and the secondary just has 1)
[14:32] <qwebirc68746> yeah first time I was like "WTF" aswell but at the end it justs some partition, name, format and flag
[14:33] <BluesKaj> kubkde, click on the partition you want to use then choose change (if it's already formatted to ext4) then select / .
[14:33] <kubkde> But it'll always be..."but wait, there's more!" (that you need to figure out)
[14:34] <kubkde> @BluesKaj thanks blues but I'm not the one currently formatting
[14:34] <BluesKaj> oops , my mistake kubkde
[14:34] <qwebirc68746> Ola. I am setting up Ubuntu Server with ejabberd 19.02, installed offline with CLI dpkg the package. To use ejabberd CLI bash.bashrc is missing some sources. My tries to include them breaks bash.bashrc or do not have effects. May someone check this: https://pastebin.com/uXYzurRS
[14:34] <BluesKaj> the2048,, click on the partition you want to use then choose change (if it's already formatted to ext4) then select / .
[14:35] <kubkde> No worries mate, appreciate the help
[14:35] <the2048> Thanks BluesKaj, but I've already gone back one step in the installer (I hadn't made any changes at this point), selected "Erase disk and install", and double-checked that I chose the right disk
[14:36] <kubkde> The installer for plain Vanilla sucks
[14:36] <kubkde> The installer for plain Ubuntu sucks
[14:36] <kubkde> Are you able to open terminal?
[14:36] <BluesKaj> the2048, ok, let's hope you have no other OSs on that disk :-)
[14:36] <qwebirc68746> lets hope no data...
[14:37] <carrot_> A recent update has cause my external monitor not to be recognized does anyone know how to roll back the update or troubleshoot the issue? My OS is 18.04 LTS.
[14:37] <the2048> There wasn't any important data on there, I doublechecked before installing
[14:37] <qwebirc68746> carrot_ google XRandR and try to activate him
[14:38] <leftyfb> kubkde: what's your issue with the ubuntu installer?
[14:38] <OerHeks> carrot_, more info please: what ubuntu version, what videocard, what driver?
[14:38] <qwebirc68746> i got issues with bash rc sourcing if anybody feels like helping someone :D
[14:38] <OerHeks> driver in use >> lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[14:38] <leftyfb> qwebirc68746: you might be better off in #bash
[14:39] <leftyfb> qwebirc68746: also, it's highly recommended to register your nick
[14:39] <carrot_> OerHeks, getting that now.
[14:39] <qwebirc68746> leftyfb bash.bashrc configuration on ubuntu server aint got nothing to do with bash :P
[14:39] <qwebirc68746> but I may try
[14:40] <BluesKaj> qwebirc68746, what are trying to do in .bashrc ...aliases or ?
[14:41] <tomreyn> qwebirc68746: so you're saying the main configuration file of bash has nothing to do with bash?
[14:41] <qwebirc68746> blueskaj I got to defince some sources so ejabberd has CLI commands
[14:41] <leftyfb> qwebirc68746: what is your Ubuntu-specific issue with /etc/bash.bashrc? Also, the server and desktop versions of /etc/bash.bashrc are identical
[14:41] <carrot_>  Ubuntu version: BionicBeaver 18.04  Graphics card: NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1060
[14:41] <qwebirc68746> tomreyn: kind of ;)
[14:42] <carrot_> Driver nvidia-driver-418
[14:42] <qwebirc68746> my issue: I need to source ejabberdctl file and integrate it to bash.rc to run commands. got it pasted together here: https://pastebin.com/uXYzurRS
[14:45] <leftyfb> qwebirc68746: source the ejabberdctl manually and see what issues you get, if any
[14:45] <OerHeks> carrot_, and how did you install 418? from nvidia site?
[14:45] <lordcirth> qwebirc68746, I don't see anything in that guide that says to source ejabberdctl, only to add it to PATH?
[14:46] <carrot_> @OerHeks, from Software & Updates.
[14:47] <leftyfb> heh
[14:47] <OerHeks> carrot_, oke, this post suggests to remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf and reboot, but that driver is from their site, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1124891/black-screen-after-login-ubuntu-18-04-nvidia-418
[14:47] <the2048> Oh and I've encountered a mildly infuriating thing
[14:47] <OerHeks> maybe it works for you too, if there is a xorg generated
[14:48] <the2048> The HDD I'm going to run Ubuntu from says it's -273 degrees Celsius even though it's like +21 in my room
[14:48] <tgm4883> qwebirc68746: lordcirth is right. You're misunderstanding lines 49-51. You run that  command (source ~/.bashrc)  and that is it
[14:48] <tgm4883> you don't add it to another file
[14:49] <carrot_> @OerHeks Thanks!
[14:49] <leftyfb> Guest24596: as lordcirth mentioned, those instructions only tell you to source the PATH of ejabberdctl so you can run the command yourself just by typing ejabberdctl as opposed to the full path.
[14:49] <lordcirth> the2048, drives not implementing certain SMART values is unfortunately not uncommon
[14:49] <the2048> Fair
[14:50] <OerHeks> carrot_, if that does not work, check the FN + screen key, for internal//external/both selection
[14:50] <the2048> In Windows it read properly though, but it's only a mild issue
[14:50] <lordcirth> the2048, ah, in that case it may be that that drive uses a different format to report temps, which Windows has hardcoded for that drive model.
[14:50] <the2048> Yeah
[14:51] <BluesKaj> the2048, this won't impede your install porgress, not to worry
[14:51] <the2048> Most likely that
[14:51] <the2048> I know
[14:51] <the2048> It's been proceeding perfectly fine throughout this whole ordeal
[14:54] <qwebirc68746> @lordcirth thank you I think thats already a major point.
[14:55] <leftyfb> qwebirc68746: as is being pointed out to you in #bash, what you're doing/typing is completely wrong and due to not having an understanding of what you are doing
[14:56] <leftyfb> qwebirc68746: ok, I'm done. You keep jumping back and forth. You have no idea what you are doing or how sourcing/bash works. The folks in #bash are not going to go easy on you.
[15:06] <qwebirc68746> @leftyfb lol: you are the one jumping back and foreward and beeing mad that I do not follow you up in here. I do quite well over there. thanks
[15:11] <deepend> a/msg 3reddit 11;11
[15:20] <the2048> Can you get a time estimate of how long it took to install Ubuntu when it's done?
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> the2048: depends of the specs of a system
[15:21] <the2048> True
[15:21] <the2048> But what I want is how long it took from the installer start to the finish, because I'm just curious about how long it took
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> the2048: you could say between 10-30min
[15:21] <the2048> Fair
[15:22] <the2048> I mean it'll take longer on my Internet connection if it's downloading updates
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> the2048: also depends of the speed of your internet
[15:22] <the2048> Yeah I noticed that it was dependent on Internet speed
[15:22] <the2048> Last I installed on a 10 Mbps connection it was like 30 minutes
[15:22] <the2048> This is a 2 Mbps connection and it's seeming to take at least 45 minutes
[15:23] <lordcirth> the2048, if you have another Linux box on the LAN, consider implementing apt-cacher-ng
[15:23] <geirha> See if you can grab it from /var/log/installer/
[15:23] <the2048> I'm fine with the wait though, once it installs I'll check /var/log/installer to see how long this actively took
[15:24] <the2048> Although I do plan on using something like an rpi for an apt cacher as it's small enough to fit near my router
[15:24] <the2048> Plus I've already got one so it won't be too much effort to go out and get an SD card
[15:29] <rigel_> how do i scan using a all-in-one printer/scanner not supported by sane?
[15:29] <rigel_> (even through external backends)
[15:30] <ioria> rigel_, with its own drivers (if available)
[15:30] <rigel_> hp doesn't support this operating system
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> rigel_: wich model is this?
[15:30] <rigel_> deskjet 2130
[15:30] <lordcirth> I thought hplip claims to support all HP printers on Linux
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> rigel_: did you install hplip and hplip-data?
[15:31] <rigel_> yes
[15:31] <tgm4883> what printer?
[15:32] <rigel_> hp-scan outputs: error: No device selected/specified or that supports this functionality.
[15:33] <Lope> is airmon-ng in the ubuntu repos?
[15:33] <Lope> Seems it's not in 18.04
[15:33] <rigel_> Lope: try aircrack-ng?
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> Lope: you can apt-cache search keyword in your own system
[15:34] <OerHeks> run sudo hp-setup and follow the screen, 2130 should be supported
[15:34] <kubkde> is it aircrack?
[15:34] <Lope> rigel_, ah, that's it. Thanks.
[15:35] <rigel_> OerHeks: worked. device added. waiting to check scan functionality.
[15:35] <rigel_> why do i need root anyway?
[15:36] <OerHeks> rigel_, as it adds itself to cups printer service
[15:36] <rigel_> oh
[15:36] <kubkde> apologies for the formatting
[15:36] <kubkde>  aircrack-ng | 1:1.1-6         | trusty/universe | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el
[15:36] <kubkde>  aircrack-ng | 1:1.2-0~beta3-4 | xenial/universe | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el, s390x
[15:36] <kubkde>  aircrack-ng | 1:1.2-0~rc4-4   | bionic/universe | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, s390x
[15:36] <kubkde>  aircrack-ng | 1:1.4-3         | cosmic/universe | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, s390x
[15:36] <kubkde>  aircrack-ng | 1:1.5.2-3       | disco/universe  | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, s390x
[15:36] <rigel_> scan worked, but only with `sudo hp-scan`
[15:36] <OerHeks> kubkde, don't do that, use paste.ubuntu.com
[15:36] <rigel_> and it's in black and white, but that's a problem for another day.
[15:36] <rigel_> thanks, OerHeks !
[15:38] <ash_worksi> what do I man to get perl cli options?
[15:38]  * ash_worksi sucks at `man`
[15:39] <Fuchs> assuming perl5, man perl will work fine
[15:40] <hggdh> ash_worksi: also, look at 'man perl', it is an index to the perl official doc pages
[15:40] <hggdh> heh. Fuchs had already pretty much said that...
[15:40] <Fuchs> and perl --help   should list the switches too
[15:45] <ash_worksi> erm, but how do I navigate to the actual man page that describes the switches... this doesn't appear to be a single page manual
[15:45] <gyles19> ashworksi: man perlrun
[15:46] <gyles19> ashworksi: also https://perldoc.perl.org/perldoc.html is a very good searchable reference.
[15:47] <ash_worksi> gyles19: `man perlrun` does give me what I want... but for the future... like, I am not going to know what page the switches are on...
[15:55] <the2048> Well this is amazing... The install worked correctly
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> the2048: welcome to the ubuntu community
[16:00] <ash_worksi> gyles19: why doesn't perlrun tell me that -i changes files in place? (like sed -i)
[16:00] <ash_worksi> nvm
[16:01] <ash_worksi> it does; I was just confused by the [extension] option
[16:07] <TomyWork> where do i put ssl certs?
[16:07] <pa> hi
[16:07] <pa> how can i select the subnet for WiFi hotspot created with network manager?
[16:08] <pa> i tried the solution in the second answer in https://askubuntu.com/questions/844913/how-to-control-ip-ranges-of-network-managers-hotspots , but it doesn't work anymore
[16:08] <pa> despite my address1=<IP_ADDRESS>/24,<IP_ADDRESS>   , the interface is still inet <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:14] <pragmaticenigma> TomyWork: You can place your SSL certs in any folder you like. What you will need to do is make sure the application requiring them is configured to look in that folder for the certificates
[16:14] <kubkde> Would it be advisable/possible to install SSL certs via apt to skip all that hassle?
[16:15] <pragmaticenigma> kubkde: SSL certs cannot be instaled via apt
[16:15] <tgm4883> kubkde: that sounds unnecessarily complicated
[16:16] <kubkde> I see....I had to reinstall mine but I don't remember which route I took
[16:16] <teward> kubkde: even if you *could* install SSL certs via apt (which is EXTREMELY complicated) you'd still need to configure your apps to use the proper locations
[16:16] <teward> so your SSL certificates should just be uploaded yourswelf to the server(s)
[16:16] <pa> sorry, that appear to work, just not with that ip..
[16:16] <Saviq> kubkde: does http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man8/update-ca-certificates.8.html help?
[16:16] <kubkde> I assumed that the package would fix up the paths automatically
[16:16] <kubkde> Ohhh
[16:16] <Saviq> you can just place your certs in /usr/local/share and run this
[16:17] <kubkde> Yes I can understand why using apt would be ridiculous
[16:17] <kubkde> Lol
[16:17] <pragmaticenigma> Saviq: that looks like managing the CA listing, I don't believe that applies here
[16:17] <ren0v0> Hi, if I can't see an SD cards that's been inserted via fdisk, does that mean it's dead?
[16:18] <pragmaticenigma> ren0v0: I think fdisk only shows active mounts, let me verify
[16:18] <tgm4883> ren0v0: how do you get a software program to insert a piece of hardware?
[16:18] <ren0v0> pragmaticenigma, for example I have one that I inserted and it showed in fdisk but not in nautilus (because there were no partitions)
[16:18] <tgm4883> pragmaticenigma: fdisk doesn't show mounts
[16:19] <kubkde> blkid?
[16:19] <ren0v0> tgm4883, i'm not looking for mounts, i'm just trying to find if the SD card is kaput
[16:19] <kubkde> Wait what do certs have to do with mount?
[16:19] <pragmaticenigma> ren0v0: If the disk is unformatted, it will not show up in any file managers
[16:19] <Saviq> pragmaticenigma: ok sorry, didn't read all the context
[16:19] <pragmaticenigma> kubkde: Please stop
[16:19] <tgm4883> ren0v0: which is why I said that to someone that wasn't you
[16:20] <ren0v0> pragmaticenigma, yes I know, so is there a better utility to check on a lower level if the card is done for?
[16:20] <kubkde> Genuine question friend, I'm not trying to antagonize.
[16:20] <pragmaticenigma> ren0v0: You could look at the disk manager and if it is listed there, attempt to format the drive
[16:21] <tgm4883> ren0v0: You might want to start with dmesg and see if anything pops when inserting it
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> ren0v0: i always test media with gparted & photorec, if those 2 dont recognize, they probably dead
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> ren0v0: (not all cases)
[16:21] <pragmaticenigma> kubkde: this is a large chat room, if a message is directed at you, your name will precede the message for you.
[16:22] <ren0v0> lotuspsychje, yes I also use them both, it isn't showing there but as pragmaticenigma just mentioned its showing in "Disk utility" as /dev/sde
[16:22] <ren0v0> well that's a guess because there is no information on the device, including side etc, it just says "drive"
[16:24] <ren0v0> tgm4883, silly question, did dmesg logs move in 18.04 from /var/log ?
[16:24] <lotuspsychje> ren0v0: if its still showing, try what tgm4883 adviced
[16:24] <[J]oules> hope there is a new kernel release soon. current kernel 4.4.0-143-generic does not work well with virtualbox
[16:25] <tomreyn> ren0v0: i think it's longer ago that dmesg logged to /var/log/dmesg
[16:25] <OerHeks> [J]oules, looks like you will need to upgrade and get a fresh kernel, 14.04 is nearly EOL
[16:26] <[J]oules> 14.04?? this box is 16:04
[16:27] <leftyfb> [J]oules: you can install the HWE kernel which is 4.15
[16:27] <kubkde> [J]oules, is there a specific reason why you're on an older kernel?
[16:27] <tgm4883> [J]oules: there are newer kernels out for 16.04. HWE kernels will give you newer stuff
[16:28] <tgm4883> kubkde: probably because he installed 16.04.0 and lack of awareness of HWE
[16:28] <tomreyn> i don't see why the 16.0 LTs  GA kernel shouldnt work fine with virtualbox, though
[16:28] <tgm4883> tomreyn: +1
[16:28] <[J]oules> hmm. kernel is updated with software updates. Never have installed any particular kernel
[16:28] <kubkde> Don't LTS updates include kernels?
[16:28] <tomreyn> [J]oules: what does not work about virtualbox?
[16:29] <tgm4883> kubkde: If you install the .0 release of an LTS, you don't automatically get HWE kernels
[16:29] <[J]oules> yesterday, when starting to use this box, software update installed this kernel, reboot, virtualbox would not start, /sbin/vboxconfig only showed errors
[16:29] <kubkde> Well it doesn't matter since you can just change it yourself. Specifically 4.15 and 4.18 have HWE, and I've had great performance using 4.18 and Virtualbox 6.0.4. I have since upgraded to the devel version since GuestAdditions isn't able to install on 5.x kernels
[16:29] <lordcirth> You need to do full-upgrade (or dist-upgrade) to get new kernels, not just upgrade
[16:29] <lordcirth> [J]oules, what errors?
[16:29] <leftyfb> lordcirth: that will not install the hwe kernel
[16:30] <tomreyn> [J]oules: which errors? which virtualbox packages are you using?
[16:30] <tgm4883> lordcirth: You need to opt-in to HWE first
[16:30] <[J]oules> was using 5.2
[16:30] <lordcirth> Isn't hwe default on Desktop though?
[16:30] <tomreyn> no
[16:30] <tgm4883> lordcirth: Only on point releases I believe
[16:30] <leftyfb> [J]oules: sounds like you don't have the -modules package installed for the new kernel
[16:30] <lordcirth> tgm4883, ah, that makes sense
[16:30] <[J]oules> i have a bit of a different setup on this box. installed ubuntu server originally then installed desktop
[16:31] <tgm4883> [J]oules: It's all the same packages
[16:31] <[J]oules> what then is the right way to get latest kernel?
[16:31] <tomreyn> [J]oules: besure to purge "ubuntu-server" and to install "ubuntu-desktop" then
[16:32] <tomreyn> [J]oules: i don't think you need to upgrade your kernel. you can, however, if you need to.
[16:32] <[J]oules> iirc ubuntu-desktop did not have raid when I did installed ~ 14.04
[16:32] <kubkde> lordcirth, you don't need to upgrade distro to get HWE nor to install new kernels.
[16:32] <tomreyn> !hwe | [J]oules
[16:32] <leftyfb> [J]oules: sudo apt install linux-modules-$(uname -r) should resolve your vbox issue ... once you run vboxconfig again
[16:32] <tgm4883> [J]oules: I'd try what leftyfb said before going to HWE
[16:32] <[J]oules> leftyfb: ok I will try what you said later today. Thank you.
[16:33] <kubkde> I don't know about that. He's running a rather old kernel, I would advise installing a newer Linux kernel instrad
[16:34] <ren0v0> tgm4883, dmeg just shows "[sdc] Spinning up disk...", and continues to tail dots ?
[16:34] <[J]oules> you're saying 4.4.0-143-generic is old?
[16:34] <leftyfb> kubkde: that kernel is still supported and adequate
[16:34] <[J]oules> i will show you the errors in a p/b
[16:35] <[J]oules> if they are still there
[16:35] <gyles19> [Joules]: I bailed on virtualbox, the latest release doesn't provide pre-built binaries for the guest tools, it wanted the guests setup to compile their own dkms kernels.  At that point I deleted vb and moved to kvm/qemu.
[16:35] <tgm4883> kubkde: while I commend you for wanting to help, it's generally better to attempt smaller changes that may fix the issue rather than doing a large change (such as changing major kernel versions) which could introduce new issues
[16:35] <lordcirth> [J]oules, 4.4 was released 10 January, 2016. But it is still supported and should work fine.
[16:35] <[J]oules> wow
[16:36] <[J]oules> then I am surprised software app has not updated to new version
[16:36] <kubkde> leftyfb, well I'll take your word for it. It was just my own experience with 4.18 being one of the more stable kernels I've used. If problems are introduced dkms should be of service
[16:36] <leftyfb> lordcirth: 4.4.0-143-generic was released 2019-02-12 14:06:21 UTC
[16:36] <tgm4883> [J]oules: well, that's not entirely accurate
[16:36] <lordcirth> leftyfb, the minor release, yes
[16:36] <lordcirth> I said 4.4.
[16:36] <lordcirth> the linux-generic line of packages don't do major kernel updates without good reason.
[16:36] <leftyfb> kubkde: 4.18 isn't available in Ubuntu 16.04
[16:37] <kubkde> leftyfb, can you explain? Is it incompatible?
[16:37] <[J]oules> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/LDxpABw7/
[16:39] <leftyfb> kubkde: the latest HWE kernel for Ubuntu 16.04 is <IP_ADDRESS>.67
[16:40] <tomreyn> [J]oules: this output is incomplete, doesn't actually list the original error.
[16:40] <kubkde> For 16.04 I can't recall but 4.15 and 4.18 are the good ones
[16:40] <leftyfb> kubkde: 4.18 isn't available in Ubuntu 16.04
[16:40] <kubkde> Ah
[16:41] <[J]oules> tomreyn: i pasted part closest to end of file
[16:41] <tgm4883> kubkde: please stop. You can't install 4.18 in 16.04 without getting into an unsupported state
[16:41] <kubkde> leftyfb, I'm going to boot up a VM to test that out
[16:41] <[J]oules> i don't think i can p/b entire file.. too big
[16:41] <lordcirth> [J]oules, what's p/b?
[16:41] <leftyfb> [J]oules: just try installing the modules package and then get back to us if it doesn't work
[16:41] <leftyfb> lordcirth: pastebin
[16:41] <lordcirth> ah
[16:42] <tomreyn> [J]oules: you can try. another option is to use the upstream virtualbox packages.
[16:42] <leftyfb> tomreyn: vboxconfig isn't able to recompile it's drivers for the new kernel because they don't have the -modules package installed
[16:42] <[J]oules> wont let me p/b it... > 50kb
[16:42] <tomreyn> but before you do so, you may want to file a bug
[16:42] <kubkde> [J]oules, What's odd is that your headers weren't present in the log. I believe the solution that was suggested earlier may be perfect for you
[16:43] <TomyWork> pragmaticenigma so there's no central certificate store?
[16:43] <TomyWork> no well-known directory?
[16:43] <tomreyn> leftyfb: in my experience, if this was the cause of things failing, virtualbox would only report that you need to install headers and not try to build anything. this partial log is of an attempted build.
[16:43] <tomreyn> (suggesting headers are already installed)
[16:44] <[J]oules> kubkde: you mean sudo apt install linux-modules-$(uname -r) ?? that leftyfb wrote?
[16:44] <leftyfb> [J]oules: try it
[16:44] <[J]oules> leftyfb: i will soon as i get back later this afternoon
[16:44] <[J]oules> i would like to run virtualbox 6
[16:44] <tomreyn> TomyWork: it is common to place certificates in /etc/ssl/certs/
[16:46] <kubkde> [J]oules, yes, that is correct. My headers come installed when I switch kernels, so I'm uncertain if you would also need to run sudo apt install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[16:47] <kubkde> [J]oules, btw all the packages for VirtualBox are for 5.2x, get the extension pack from the official site. The ISO is there too but the ext pack comes with the ISO
[16:48] <kubkde> To clarify: all the VirtualBox packages in the Ubuntu repos are deprecated
[16:49] <tomreyn> by upstream, you mean
[16:49] <tomreyn> not by ubuntu
[16:49] <kubkde> Right, I stand corrected.
[16:51] <qwebirc62541> hey i have a question about creating a customized server install
[16:51] <qwebirc62541> is this the right channel to ask in?
[16:51] <tgm4883> qwebirc62541: if it's for Ubuntu, then yes
[16:51] <qwebirc62541> ok cool
[16:52] <qwebirc62541> so basically I'm trying to create a template system to build an installation ISO from
[16:53] <OerHeks> customise iso, not install..?
[16:53] <qwebirc62541> but i keep running into issues with, I think, the initrd
[16:54] <qwebirc62541> yeah a custom iso, where everything is already updated
[16:54] <OerHeks> normally one would use a preseed script, to install, do not create an iso that is up2date today, but outdated when you need it
[16:54] <userlimp> whenever i start firefox i get a connection from '<IP_ADDRESS>.bc.googleusercontent.com' - familiar ?
[16:55] <leftyfb> userlimp: default search engine? add-on/plugin? Default start page?
[16:56] <userlimp> hmm, yeah, duckduckgo is default thp
[16:56] <userlimp> leftyfb: thanks
[16:56] <qwebirc62541> @OerHeks my issue is that this is going on an airgapped system
[16:56] <qwebirc62541> so pulling in updates and what not are going to be difficult
[16:59] <qwebirc62541> i would have thought that generating a new squashfs and updating the initrd would have worked
[16:59] <qwebirc62541> but something seems to break on the initrd side
[16:59] <qwebirc62541> i'm not sure what
[17:00] <qwebirc62541> is there any documentation on how the ubuntu devs create the updated isos?
[17:00] <qwebirc62541> ie 18.04.1
[17:00] <qwebirc62541> or 18.04.2
[17:00] <kubkde> qwebirc62541, cubic
[17:00] <kubkde> I've been using it a lot
[17:01] <kubkde> Let me bin you some links
[17:01] <qwebirc62541> ok thanks
[17:01] <tgm4883> qwebirc62541: have you looked through https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[17:02] <kubkde> So basically Cubic is what tgm4883 is suggesting except it's streamlined and way easier
[17:02] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc62541: If you are creating an air-gapped machine that will *NEVER* be connected to a network, you really wouldn't need to worry about updates. With the exception of having found a bug that you could patch directly
[17:03] <qwebirc62541> @tgm4883 I have, that looked like it was for customizing at install time using a preseed
[17:03] <kubkde> rofl I thought I had more
[17:03] <kubkde> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/g6Gz3vJ2Q5/
[17:03] <OerHeks> tgm4883, great, that page needed some work, it used to be old with UCK
[17:04] <qwebirc62541> i'll give cubic a try
[17:04] <kubkde> Anyways qwebirc62541 add the repo, install cubic, and open an ISO. You'll be chrooted into an extracted IS
[17:05] <kubkde> ISO. Caveats: it is a chroot so it's recommended that the ISO you're customizing is the same as your host system.
[17:05] <OneM_Laptop> Sooo.
[17:05] <qwebirc62541> ok
[17:06] <qwebirc62541> i'll see how it goes
[17:06] <b247eu> Hi dear Ubuntu community, I need some help regarding IP forward on a ubuntu 18.10 desktop
[17:06] <qwebirc62541> thanks :)
[17:06] <OneM_Laptop> My dad attempted to update the nvidia drivers on his computer, and somehow has managed to disable almost all video.
[17:06] <OneM_Laptop> (18.04, BTW.)
[17:06] <kubkde> I love it though. Too bad I keep breaking things to in attempt to make a F2FS ready installer.
[17:06] <TomyWork> thanks, tomreyn
[17:06] <OneM_Laptop> The login screen shows up, but nothing after.
[17:07] <OneM_Laptop> Ctrl+Alt+Fx doesn't even work.
[17:07] <OerHeks> OneM_Laptop, how did he update drivers?
[17:07] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, can you explain the whole process of what he did? Did he uninstall first or installed drivers over the old ones?
[17:07] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: when you say nothing after. You mean after logging in? Does it just return back to the login screen?
[17:07] <kubkde> And is the login screen the splash?
[17:07] <OneM_Laptop> Recovery mode does work, however not quite sure what to do.
[17:07] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: also, what graphics card, what did he update from, what did he update to?
[17:07] <BattleAngle> Question concerning Docky incase anyone knows the answer. Docky is only showing some windows and never system windows - like terminal or nautilus - anyway to fix this?
[17:08] <leftyfb> b247eu: please explain exactly what it is you're trying to accomplish, what you have tried so far and what errors you are getting.
[17:08] <OneM_Laptop> OerHeks, kubkde: Not sure what he did, I got called over after a large amount of swearing.
[17:08] <kubkde> LOL
[17:08] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, dads, gotta love em
[17:08] <OneM_Laptop> tgm4883: No, it shows a blank, black screen.
[17:08] <OneM_Laptop> And yes, the splash.
[17:08] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, this sounds like it could be a piece of cake, especially since you can get into recovery
[17:09] <kubkde> Can you enter terminal while in recovery?
[17:09] <lordcirth> OneM_Laptop, find out what nvidia packages are installed. Hopefully he didn't install the nvidia .run.
[17:09] <OneM_Laptop> Yes, I can enter the terminal.
[17:10] <b247eu> I have a virtual machine virtualbox installed with apache, I need to access port 80 from outside so I need to forward all incoming connections on port 80 to VM port 80
[17:10] <qwebirc62541> @tgm4883, thanks for the assistance
[17:10] <kubkde> Ok can you repeat what GPUs he has?
[17:10] <OneM_Laptop> Trying to figure it out, I want to say a 1060, but that is most likely wrong.
[17:10] <lordcirth> b247eu, ok, and are you having a problem with that?
[17:11] <lordcirth> OneM_Laptop, lspci | grep -i vga
[17:11] <OneM_Laptop> Yep.
[17:11] <b247eu> @lordcirth, I don't know how to do it
[17:11] <kubkde> Yeah lol
[17:12] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, lspci | grep 'VGA\|3D'
[17:12] <OneM_Laptop> GTX 750 TI.
[17:12] <lordcirth> b247eu, right click on a VM, Settings, Network, Advanced, Port Forwarding
[17:12] <kubkde> He's got...just one?
[17:12] <OneM_Laptop> Yep.
[17:13] <OneM_Laptop> No built in, and just the one PCie.
[17:13] <tgm4883> b247eu: does your virtual machine have an IP address that is on the same network as your computer (bridged)?  Or something else?
[17:13] <kubkde> Don't see that very often. Ok I'll pastebin what I believe should work, if anyone else would like to check it out for errors and a ego boost if I did fuck up you're more than welcome
[17:14] <OneM_Laptop> Ok.
[17:14] <lordcirth> !language | kubkde
[17:14] <OneM_Laptop> Thank you.
[17:14] <OneM_Laptop> I got called over after about 3 or 4 hours of swearing, so not 100% sure what all has been done...
[17:14] <kubkde> My apologies. Unix culture is pretty...unique
[17:14] <OneM_Laptop> Heh!
[17:14] <kubkde> :p
[17:15] <kubkde> Yelled at for something he did
[17:15] <kubkde> Hahaha
[17:16] <b247eu> I have tested some iptable DNAT rules on host machine but never think to do that on VM settings. It's the external traffic that need to be redirected, the INBOUND from the internet. Thank you, I'll try the VM approach.
[17:16] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, Does he want Nouveau or does it still want his Nvidia drivers?
[17:17] <OneM_Laptop> At this point, I think that he would just be happy with any video output at all.
[17:17] <kubkde> Terrific
[17:17] <tgm4883> b247eu: my question was in reference to whether anything needed to be done on the machines themselves. If the VM is on the same network and not NATed , then you would just fix up your forwarding rules on your router
[17:18] <OneM_Laptop> (Side note, this is also the business computer for Mom's business, so there's a certain amount of.."urgency".)
[17:18] <userlimp> anyone connect to freenode using TOR ?
[17:18] <kubkde> OH for sure
[17:18] <kubkde> I was going to make sure to get rid of any possible blacklists, but that's probably not even going to be an issue
[17:18] <kubkde> Sec
[17:18] <OneM_Laptop> Ok.
[17:18] <gyles19> kubkde: I'd try booting the box from a livecd/instsaller cd and see if that kernel/x11 config can talk to the hardware. If it doesn't, the cards may be too old for the ubuntu he has. (been there, done that.)
[17:19] <lordcirth> userlimp, that's not really an Ubuntu question. But yes, Freenode allows Tor connections, but iirc you need to be registered first, which is annoying.
[17:19] <userlimp> lordcirth: thank you
[17:19] <OneM_Laptop> gyles19: It was working yesterday before the "update".
[17:19] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: what is the business? The proprietary graphics might be important
[17:20] <OneM_Laptop> tgm4883: Costuming. It's used mainly for email and updating the inventory on the website.
[17:20] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: also, if you're in the recovery shell, might be worth looking at his bash history and see if it sheds any light as to what he did
[17:20] <OneM_Laptop> Ok.
[17:21] <OneM_Laptop> It's a weird system because it was cobbled together after the 15 year old clunker running XP died.
[17:21] <b247eu> (tgm4883) b247eu: does your virtual machine have an IP address that is on the same network as your computer (bridged)?  Or something else?
[17:21] <b247eu> My laptop is directly connected to the internet with public IP, ufw if disabled or otherwise configured to allow traffic on port 80, this is working as I tested with a host apache installation. The VM have 2 network, one NAT and one host network, from host I can ssh to VM through host network and from VM I  can access the internet through NAT
[17:22] <userlimp> its weird, my VPN was blocked in UFW, had to disable it
[17:23] <userlimp> simple PPTP
[17:23] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Sqd59XGqFt/ apologies on the poor syntax, I should've used # to comment. If you have trouble understanding it lmk
[17:24] <OneM_Laptop> Ok, will do. Thank you!
[17:25] <tgm4883> ew
[17:26] <kubkde> gyles19, I have a fear of old hardware. Hardware borks in general. I've spent days working on a problem only to find out it's an unfixable hardware issue. I do know that upstream (possibly the graphics drivers PPA actually) provides legacy drivers, but who knows how well they work
[17:26] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, not a problem, good luck!
[17:26] <OtterCoder> Hi! So, is there a way to get a binary to recieve a file dragged onto it as a command line argument?
[17:27] <tgm4883> kubkde: I would recommend not using -y with those commands. It's better to review the list before blindly removing stuff
[17:27] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: ^
[17:27] <lordcirth> OtterCoder, not sure what you mean. IIRC dragging a file to the terminal pastes the file path.
[17:27] <OneM_Laptop> Ok, will keep that in mind.
[17:28] <yedi> ce quoi sa!!
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> !fr | yedi
[17:28] <OtterCoder> I mean in the file explorer, looking at an icon of a binary, and dragging, say, a document onto it.
[17:28] <b247eu> tgm4883: can you help me on how to forward port 80 to vm port 80? The VM ip is 10.1.1
[17:28] <kubkde> tgm4883 is right. I'm a wild child. I removed my desktop manager on accident once because of it
[17:29] <lordcirth> b247eu, did my instructions not work for you?
[17:29] <OneM_Laptop> Heh!
[17:30] <OneM_Laptop> Not 100% sure what happened, but there's quite the list of commands.
[17:30] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: after you ran which part?
[17:30] <OneM_Laptop> No, the stuff he did.
[17:30] <tgm4883> ah
[17:31] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: do you see any commands that appear like they are running an nvidia file that ends in .run ?
[17:31] <OneM_Laptop> Let me check.
[17:32] <OneM_Laptop> I do remember something about a .run actually.
[17:32] <OneM_Laptop> Alright, still the same. I can get to the login screen, but after logging in, the screen goes black and the drive light shows no activity.
[17:33] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: ok, so you did see a .run?
[17:33] <OneM_Laptop> Checking, hang on.
[17:33] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: that would indicate the drivers were installed from nvidia's site, rather than from the repos
[17:33] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: which is generally considered bad
[17:33] <cdevidal> Help? I've got an Ubuntu 18.04 VM on DigitalOcean. On the console when I type a pipe I get a right caret. Ran dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, chose Generic 104-key PC, English (US), then ran setupcon. But still doing it.
[17:34] <OneM_Laptop> Yes, he was on Nvidia's website, trying to install that way.
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> cdevidal: whats your kernel version please?
[17:37] <cdevidal> 4.15.0-46-generic
[17:37] <OneM_Laptop> It's properly borked, isn't it?
[17:37] <lordcirth> OneM_Laptop, probably fixable, but yes, borked
[17:37] <OneM_Laptop> Yep.
[17:38] <OtterCoder> So, is there no default way to allow a binary to run from the file explorer without a .desktop file?
[17:38] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: IDK, I haven't done that in a long time, however, an old post shows up that suggests this "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-310.19.run --uninstall"
[17:38] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: obviously updating the version to the one that was installed
[17:38] <ioria> OtterCoder, i don't think   so; but you can do it with a .desktop file
[17:38] <OneM_Laptop> I genuinely have no clue what was installed.
[17:39] <kubkde> My solution didn't work?
[17:39] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: well it should be in that bash history
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> !who | kubkde
[17:39] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, what happened after reboot?
[17:39] <tgm4883> kubkde: no, because it wasn't installed from packages
[17:39] <OtterCoder> ioria: Ah, that's too bad. I'd hoped to be able to distribute a single file.
[17:39] <lordcirth> OtterCoder, .desktop files are the standard & correct way
[17:40] <lordcirth> OtterCoder, oh, you said file explorer, not the menu?
[17:40] <OtterCoder> Yes.
[17:40] <kubkde> tgm4883, he used a .run file is what I'm reading. Ok, there should be an uninstall file located in the install foldeer
[17:40] <OneM_Laptop> kubkde: Grub menu popped up, I selected just ubuntu, it went to the login screen, and after logging in, went to the same black screen as before.
[17:40] <cdevidal> lotuspsychje: 4.15.0-46-generic
[17:40] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, this waas after you ran update-grub?
[17:40] <tgm4883> kubkde: yes, that's why it pays to do a bit of investigation before trying to brute force stuff
[17:41] <OneM_Laptop> kubkde: Correct.
[17:41] <OneM_Laptop> No change from before.
[17:41] <kubkde> tgm4883, I've much to learn, sensei :)
[17:41] <lordcirth> OtterCoder, I can double-click executables just fine and they run. Perhaps yours isn't marked +x?
[17:41] <OtterCoder> lordcirth: My goal is to distribute a single file that can be unpacked anywhere, have files dragged onto it, and process them.
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> !locales | cdevidal can this help?
[17:41] <OneM_Laptop> Honestly, I'm not even sure that he got the .run file working.
[17:41] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, Interesting. I'll take a look at the run files
[17:42] <kubkde> lol rip
[17:42] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: does the box have internet connectivity?
[17:42] <OtterCoder> lordcirth: No, I can execute it from the terminal just fine.
[17:42] <lordcirth> OtterCoder, oh, you want the binary to be run with the dragged file as an argument? No, you can't do that easily
[17:42] <OtterCoder> Ah, ouch.
[17:42] <OneM_Laptop> Last thing I saw on the screen that wasn't a terminal was something about a cuda toolkit.
[17:42] <OneM_Laptop> tgm4883: Yes, it does.
[17:42] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop,  it's possible he dragged it into terminal and the filename was good enough. You can also double click run files
[17:42] <FourFire> Hello, not sure if this is the correct channel if not then tell me where to go, but I have an issue with vfio on a single GPU system (Ryzen APU)
[17:42] <FourFire> I'm using kubuntu 18.04.2
[17:43] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop,  CUDA .run files are a huuuuuuge pain in the tooshie......
[17:43] <lordcirth> OtterCoder, what you *could* do is have the user doubleclick the executable, it opens a simple graphical window saying "drop files here". Will that work for you?
[17:43] <kubkde> FourFire, impossible to vfio with one GPU. You need a GPU to run your host system and another GPU to passthrough for your guest system
[17:43] <FourFire> and My system crashed while I was following this guide: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/282042/edit-etc-passwd-file-from-grub
[17:43] <OtterCoder> lordcirth: Yeah, I can do that easily enough. It's a little bit more fiddling, but not a real problem.
[17:43] <lordcirth> You should be able to put that together with qt, gtk, etc pretty easily
[17:43] <OneM_Laptop> kubkde: Great.
[17:43] <FourFire> kubkde, many people claim that and many claim the opposite
[17:43] <OtterCoder> Thanks!
[17:44] <OneM_Laptop> Oh boy.
[17:44] <OneM_Laptop> There's about 4 nvidia.run files in the downloads..
[17:45] <kubkde> FourFire, Well now I'm interested. What will drive the display for your host system while your guest system has taken over your GPU?
[17:45] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, please pastebin the namaes
[17:45] <OneM_Laptop> Not sure which he used, as the history isn't showing everything that has been run.
[17:45] <FourFire> I've tried adding,  "nouveau.modeset=0", "radeon.modeset=0", and "nomodeset" but neither of thoise make a difference to my boot
[17:45] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, they've each got their own quirks. It's fine that you don't know, I'm betting he ran all of them hahaha
[17:46] <FourFire> verbose boot ends with "vfio-pci 0000:05:00.0: vgaarb: changed VGA decodes: olddecodes=io+mem,decodes=io+mem:owns=io+mem"
[17:46] <FourFire> And hangs
[17:46] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, you can actually run a command to get terminal history, I forgot what the command is though
[17:46] <OneM_Laptop> "history"?
[17:47] <OneM_Laptop> Yeah, tried that, it doesn't appear to be showing everything for some odd reason.
[17:47] <FourFire> kubkde, I imagine it should be possible to setup a script which auto kills x11, starts the VM, and then when you close the vm, autostarts x11
[17:47] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, Yes. History of what commands were run in terminal
[17:47] <OneM_Laptop> Yep.
[17:47] <FourFire> I haven't done this in practice of course otherwise I would be answering questions in here instead of asking them
[17:47] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: you would have to be logged in as the same user, and also it would have to be saved to the bash history, which isn't always the case
[17:48] <kubkde> FourFire, so basically you'd have only one system running, and a headless host. I mean...if that's what you wanna do...but you might as well boot into Windows at that point
[17:48] <FourFire> as for now, i just want to get my guest into a working state
[17:48] <FourFire> Sure, the good old dual boot
[17:48] <OneM_Laptop> Ok.
[17:48] <FourFire> I prefer not to, but thanks for offering.
[17:48] <OneM_Laptop> tgm4883, kubkde: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Qsvz8M3Qfq/
[17:49] <kubkde> FourFire, what are you using it for? Gaming?
[17:49] <FourFire> Y
[17:49] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: IDK. I guess you could try running the uninstall flag on each of them
[17:49] <OneM_Laptop> Ok.
[17:50] <kubkde> FourFire,  how important is performance? You could run a raw vmdk through VirtualBox and get it going with 256 max vram
[17:50] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, tgm4883 wait on that
[17:50] <FourFire> I want >80% of native performance
[17:50] <kubkde> Let me go through the CUDA documentation on uninstallation
[17:50] <FourFire> so GPU passthrough is necessary
[17:50] <kubkde> I recall there being something real funky
[17:51] <FourFire> anyhow, any help with the actual question: how to get mu linux to boot?
[17:51] <kubkde> Er..wait. OneM_Laptop you mentioned CUDA but there aren't CUDA files in the pastebin
[17:52] <OneM_Laptop> Sorry, didn't type those up, one sec.
[17:52] <OneM_Laptop> Pretty sure those were .debs of some sort.
[17:52] <kubkde> tgm4883, thank you for being polite on correcting me btw, I appreciate the new knowledge
[17:52] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: please make sure to revoke your dad's sudo privs
[17:52] <Oo_> Hello. I have a question regarding "man" that i have had for a long time:
[17:52] <OneM_Laptop> tgm4883: That's the plan.
[17:53] <OneM_Laptop> This is not the first time I've been called in to do stuff like this, but it is the worst so far.
[17:53] <Oo_> to search for "-" params and jump directly to that entry,
[17:53] <kubkde> Sorry I've got to brb, emergency. real quick
[17:53] <OneM_Laptop> NP.
[17:53] <kubkde> FourFire, try adding acpi=off to your grub
[17:53] <Oo_> is there a better way than using a regular expression like "^ +-"
[17:53] <Oo_> ?
[17:54] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: any output from "grep -R nouveau /etc/modprobe.d/*"
[17:54] <OneM_Laptop> cuda-repo-ubuntu1804-10-1-local-10.1.105-418.39_1.0_amd64.deb
[17:54] <OneM_Laptop> ^ That's the cuda file.
[17:54] <lordcirth> Oo_, I usually just do' /-x' and jump through a few false positives.
[17:55] <Oo_> @lordcirth is "-x" something special or just to go to the end?
[17:55] <lordcirth> Oo_, / is search, -x being the flag I'm looking for
[17:55] <Oo_> ah sorry. yes. but that's awfully slow, so i already try the regex.
[17:56] <Oo_> but then it's much typing and unfortunately too many different kind of charackters, so it's slow.
[17:56] <lordcirth> Oo_, slow to search, or slow to go through manually?
[17:57] <Oo_> the moment when i jump to a manpage is mostly when i need to get a quick hint on a param. So "slow" for "going trough"
[17:57] <OneM_Laptop> tgm4883: Yes, working on being able to paste it.
[17:58] <Oo_> Outside i tried it with a grep, but then the definition of a block is tough, like you would need some kind of parser.
[17:58] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: FWIW, you can pipe that output to 'nc termbin.com 9999' and it will paste it and give you a link
[17:58] <FourFire> kubkde, it booted further I got past the "welcome to Kubuntu 18.04.2" line but it hung again with the last line: "lp: driver loaded but no devices found""
[17:58] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: so 'grep -R nouveau /etc/modprobe.d/* | nc termbin.com 9999'
[17:59] <OneM_Laptop> tgm4883: Tried that, it's complaining about "Name or service not known"..
[17:59] <Oo_> ah not grep, last time i used sed with a block '/^ +-x/,/^ +-/'
[17:59] <tgm4883> hmm
[17:59] <Oo_> but when you have multiple "-" in a line this is knocked out :/
[17:59] <OneM_Laptop> Oh fer...one sec, it's decided to not connect to the internet. One sec..
[18:00] <cdevidal> lotuspsychje: Nope. Got any more ideas?
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> cdevidal: try to re-ask your issue in the channel, maybe someone else might have an idea
[18:03] <cdevidal_> lotuspsychje: Thanks, it's a weird one
[18:03] <lordcirth> !pm | Oo_
[18:04] <cdevidal_> Help? I've got an Ubuntu 18.04 VM on DigitalOcean. On the console when I type a pipe I get a right caret. Ran dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, chose Generic 104-key PC, English (US), then ran setupcon. But still doing it. I've also run localepurge and setup console-data, ran locale-gen, logged out and back in. No good.
[18:16] <OneM_Laptop> tgm4883: https://termbin.com/1ap1
[18:17] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: I feel like if we remove those blacklists and ensure that nouveau is installed that it might just work
[18:17] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: Can you check if "xserver-xorg-video-nouveau" is installed?
[18:17] <cdevidal_> lotuspsychje: It's a known issue :-/ https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/i-can-t-type-some-symbols-on-console
[18:19] <lordcirth> cdevidal_, that's too bad, but at least there's a workaround
[18:20] <OneM_Laptop> tgm4883: xserver is installed.
[18:20] <lordcirth> OneM_Laptop, that's not what he asked
[18:21] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, type apt list --installed | grep xserver-xorg* and pastebin that
[18:21] <OneM_Laptop> Sorry.
[18:21] <tgm4883> kubkde: the * is unnecessary
[18:22] <OneM_Laptop> http://termbin.com/vmpe
[18:22] <OneM_Laptop> At least one thing I've learned from all this: Termbin is awesome.
[18:22] <lordcirth> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is there
[18:22] <OneM_Laptop> Yep.
[18:22] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: if it was me, I'd comment out those blacklists, remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file (back it up somwhere) and reboot
[18:22] <kubkde> I'm terrible with regex. tgm4883 what if the grep was -xorg instead of xserver-xorg?
[18:22] <tgm4883> and cross my fingers
[18:23] <OneM_Laptop> How do I comment out the blacklists?
[18:23] <lordcirth> kubkde, there's no need for a regex for a simple substring match
[18:23] <the2048> So I ran sensors-detect and let it add the lm85 to /etc/modules... (in search of fan control) How do I control the fan RPM now?
[18:24] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: Actually, I would just backup those files completely that showed up in the grep command
[18:24] <OneM_Laptop> Ok.
[18:24] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nvidia-nouveau.conf and /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-installer-disable-nouveau.conf
[18:24] <kubkde> lordcirth, is there a reason apt list --installed | grep -xorg doesn't work? I'm suspecting it has to do with the dash
[18:25] <kubkde> tgm4883, OneM_Laptop he should be copying a backup of x11 and removing any blacklist confs
[18:25] <tgm4883> kubkde: that is correct
[18:25] <OneM_Laptop> Alright, so there's no xorg.conf file. There are a few that have more stuff after the .conf though.
[18:25] <tomreyn> apt list --installed | grep -- -xorg
[18:25] <tgm4883> kubkde: that's what I told him to do
[18:25] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, I've been through this, I just can't recall what I did to fix it entirely
[18:26] <OneM_Laptop> Should I just back all of them up?
[18:26] <kubkde> tgm4883, got ya. There's a lot going on in the chat, real important to use names I've realized
[18:26] <tomreyn> kubkde: but you shouldn't parse "apt" output (as i'm sure the warning will tell).
[18:26] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: Yea, I'd just move them somewhere else
[18:27] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, I'd rename the blacklist confs and comment any possible blacklist modules
[18:27] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, I'd much rather delete them, but by doing what I wrote prior you won't have to worry about your father somehow moving those back in
[18:28] <OneM_Laptop> Ok.
[18:28] <kubkde> Blacklisting nouveau honestly makes zero sense to me.
[18:28] <tgm4883> I wouldn't remove all the blacklists, just the ones we specified
[18:28] <kubkde> tgm4883, Right, I should've specified that
[18:29] <FourFire> kubkde, any advice to the above_
[18:29] <OneM_Laptop> Alright, blacklists and configs moved. Let's see what happens...
[18:29] <OneM_Laptop> Anything else I should do?
[18:30] <kubkde> FourFire, I'm sorry there's a lot of text. Can you tell me what you mean by above?
[18:30] <FourFire>  kubkde, it booted further I got past the "welcome to Kubuntu 18.04.2" line but it hung again with the last line: "lp: driver loaded but no devices found""
[18:30] <OneM_Laptop> Here goes nothing, rebooting...
[18:30] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, tgm4883 would it be necessary to run update-grub or update-initramfs -u in this case?
[18:31] <tgm4883> kubkde: I don't see why that would help.
[18:31] <FourFire> I also tried putting both "nomodeset" and "acpi=off" in the grub options, no difference
[18:31] <kubkde> tgm4883, I was under the assumption that any time modifying the loading/unloading/blacklisting of modules would require a rebuild
[18:32] <kubkde> FourFire, sounds like you actually removed your display software
[18:32] <tgm4883> kubkde: nope.
[18:32] <tayzee> hey guys, wondering if anyone can assist.. somewhere somehow my crontab has been duplicated, im not sure where or how i can identify this issue.. how ive identified this - i have a cronjob that sends me an email report everyday with some stats, this email gets sent to me twice at the same time. Recently i stopped needing this report, so i commented it out in the crontab editor, however, i am still receiving it, but now only once inste
[18:32] <FourFire> is there some way to fix that?
[18:32] <tayzee> can anyone tell me how i can identify where/how its still running?
[18:32] <OneM_Laptop> Well, seems that that didn't help. Still just getting a black screen after logging in.
[18:32] <FourFire> I didn't apt-get uninstall or apt-get remove anything
[18:33] <pragmaticenigma> tayzee: how did you edit your crontab file/
[18:33] <OneM_Laptop> Would it be simpler to just reinstall?
[18:33] <kubkde> tgm4883, got ya. I actually have a question on initramfs; I was able to use dracut to load f2fs into my kernel, but I keep receiving 'libcrc32c' module failed to load (paraphrasing). Do you have any experience with that?
[18:33] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: maybe. I'd try one more thing though, can you load up a guest session?
[18:33] <OneM_Laptop> One sec..
[18:33] <tayzee> pragmaticenigma: crontab -e
[18:34] <pragmaticenigma> tayzee: Did you remove the line or comment it out?
[18:34] <kubkde> FourFire, there was a point where I spent a whole day reading man pages on Xorg and X11. I would reinstall. Lol. If you have any special files, just mount your drive in a live environment
[18:34] <tayzee> for now just commented it out
[18:34] <FourFire> ugh Ok
[18:34] <FourFire> I too have spent several days trying to figure out xorg and x11 BS
[18:35] <FourFire> never going to try to use CUDA again...
[18:35] <OneM_Laptop> Ha, we're in the same boat.
[18:35] <kubkde> I'm not sure what you broke, but I uninstalled libinput thinking it was mouse drivers and it even told me all my other system files were no longer needed lol. Really screwed me up.
[18:35] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: I'd try a guest session, if that works then I'd just create a new user and move stuff over. If that fails, I'd try the --uninstall flag on each of those .run files.  and seeing if that boots up or not. If that still fails, I'd reinstall
[18:35] <the2048> I've one question... How do I get fan control to work? (sensors-detect installed the driver for lm85, and I installed fancontrol)
[18:35] <OneM_Laptop> tgm4883: I'm not seeing a listing for a guest session.
[18:36] <kubkde> FourFire, OneM_Laptop same boat too lol
[18:36] <kubkde> X11 is still better than Wayland, sadly.
[18:36] <tgm4883> OneM_Laptop: Might try creating a new user from the command line then and logging in with that
[18:36] <FourFire> the2048, trid pwmconfig?
[18:36] <OneM_Laptop> Ok.
[18:36] <tayzee> pragmaticenigma: for now just commented it out.. its strange, one day out of the blue i noticed that i was getting the report twice.. now that i dont need it anymore, i thought lets see what happens and now im still getting it once.. there no duplication in the editor, so not sure where the duplications is
[18:37] <the2048> FourFire, I did try pwmconfig. It created the config file but it did nothing afterwards
[18:37] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, so this may be a bit odd but have you thought about just wiping it and reinstalling
[18:37] <pragmaticenigma> tayzee: You could try greping (as sudo) in /var/spool/cron/crontab/ for the report to see if it shows up in there. Remember not to edit those files
[18:37] <the2048> I'm rerunning it and it's asking if I'm sure if I want to set hwmon1/pwm1 as manual control
[18:38] <kubkde> You'd be saving a ton of time. Any files needed can be taken off onto an external drive.
[18:38] <OneM_Laptop> kubkde: Yeah, I'm beginning to suspect that that may be a plan.
[18:38] <kubkde> It's really fun and you get to learn a lot when you go through the process of fixing it, at least for me
[18:39] <the2048> OH MY GOD
[18:39] <kubkde> But this knowledge isn't really applicable in other areas...it's just like a huge rope with a million knots to ntie
[18:39] <OneM_Laptop> Yeah, that's the only reason why I've been going as far as I have without just wiping it.
[18:39] <the2048> As soon as I turned manual control for pwm1 on the fan just decided to go 100%
[18:39] <OneM_Laptop> Yeah, exactly.
[18:39] <Bob_Dole> So, ubuntu seems to have a thing where if ethernet isn't plugged in at boot, it takes 5 minutes waiting on it before it actually boots. why would the devs do that, and how do I make it not do that?
[18:39] <kubkde> Bob_Dole, you can do that
[18:39] <lordcirth> Bob_Dole, what Ubuntu version? Desktop or Server? How did you configure networking?
[18:40] <Bob_Dole> 18.10, desktop. mate DE. automatic.
[18:40] <kubkde> Bob_Dole, there's an AskUbuntu thread that details how to fix it
[18:40] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, wipe it and don't look back.  You could look at other distros
[18:41] <the2048> It went from not working to being deafening
[18:42] <kubkde> That are safer
[18:42] <kubkde> *not as easy to break
[18:42] <OneM_Laptop> Heh!
[18:42] <the2048> *4972 RPM*
[18:42] <OneM_Laptop> Yeah, after this little adventure, root access is being yanked.
[18:43] <kubkde> I've once had fans that sounded like jet engines and were advertised as such. It was cool at the time....PC case mods have come a long way
[18:43] <the2048> MY GOD
[18:43] <the2048> It won't stop
[18:43] <kubkde> Lol
[18:43] <OneM_Laptop> Heh!
[18:43] <the2048> There's only one fan for cooling the whole case (PSU has it's own fan and that's PSU-controlled) and I can feel air coming straight out the back. The fan's mounted at the front
[18:44] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, what's your father's line of work? I'm suspecting he was installing CUDA for GPU encoding?
[18:44] <the2048> PWM 75 is as far as I want to go now
[18:44] <kubkde> If you don't mind me asking; I just realized that may be too personal
[18:45] <OneM_Laptop> Nah, he's working for a local library/makerspace, and was trying to install a slicer tool for a 3d printer so he could do some work at home.
[18:45] <kubkde> the2048, you should have more than one fan to ensure that the air pressure differentials make the hot air go out
[18:45] <the2048> kubkde I should honestly
[18:47] <kubkde> (I made that up heh)
[18:47] <the2048> But still having more than one fan is ideal
[18:47] <kubkde> One front, one to exhaust CPU, and top fan for the PSU
[18:48] <kubkde> Bottom if you are a non dusty person
[18:48] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, that's sick. I think you can get CUDA for him after wiping
[18:48] <the2048> The way my PC was built (it's an IBM prebuilt) was that the CPU fan draws from the front and the PSU sits at the top
[18:48] <OneM_Laptop> Yeah.
[18:48] <tayzee> pragmaticenigma: sorry, i got disconnected.. dont know if you responded?
[18:49] <lordcirth> tayzee, he didn't during your absence
[18:49] <Nauj> hola
[18:49] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, since he actually has a use for CUDA, I really recommend wiping. CUDA uninstalls are messy.
[18:50] <tayzee> lordcirth: thanks
[18:50] <OneM_Laptop> Ok.
[18:50] <OneM_Laptop> Honestly, not even sure he got to the point of installing cuda to begin with.
[18:50] <tayzee> if anyone else has some input, would be appreciated
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> tayzee: did anything come up when you grepped?
[18:51] <OneM_Laptop> Pretty sure all this came from setting up *to* install cuda..
[18:52] <tayzee> pragmaticenigma: sorry, i mustve missed something from your end.. what am i grepping?
[18:52] <pragmaticenigma> tayzee: You could try greping (as sudo) in /var/spool/cron/crontab/ for the report to see if it shows up in there. Remember not to edit those files
[18:52] <the2048> ...and it won't stop
[18:54] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, With a fresh install it'll be a breeze. Then once you install it, never let him manage packages ever again lol
[18:54] <OneM_Laptop> ^
[18:54] <tayzee> pragmaticenigma: shows the same as if i edit my crontab, the line is commented out with a #
[18:54] <the2048> How do I get this to stop though>
[18:54] <pragmaticenigma> tayzee: Okay, at least it means it's not configured somewhere else
[18:55] <pragmaticenigma> tayzee: Is it possible it's in one of the /etc/cron.d profiles?
[18:55] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, https://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-installation-guide-linux/index.html
[18:56] <OneM_Laptop> Yep, that's exactly what he was trying to follow when all this happened.
[18:56] <tayzee> pragmaticenigma: doesnt look like it
[18:56] <kubkde> Ok this installation compatibility matrix will make it babycakes
[18:56] <kubkde> https://i.imgur.com/L5kxDi5.png
[18:57] <kubkde> Bing bang boom and you're done. Looks like sticking with the deb files is the best option
[18:57] <the2048> This is going to eventually give me a headache honestly
[18:58] <OneM_Laptop> Yep.
[18:58] <pragmaticenigma> tayzee: has this machine been rebooted recently? to suddenly get to tasks to go is strange... unless another scheduled task is calling whatever generates this e-mail
[18:59] <the2048> Oh and now it works
[18:59] <kubkde> Then since upgrading Nvidia drivers will, without a doubt, cause issues, you can still setup updates for security only
[18:59] <kubkde> https://askubuntu.com/a/412/913404
[19:00] <kubkde> I've actually got to fix my own install. I upgraded a LTS only distro to disco and it's not the best.
[19:01] <the2048> Apparently if you close fancontrol it'll just *jack* the fans to 100%
[19:01] <kubkde> Speaking of which, should I go to ##kernel for support on compiling my own or #ubuntu-kernel or here?
[19:02] <tayzee> pragmaticenigma: not in the last two months
[19:02] <tayzee> pragmaticenigma: but i think this issue has been going on for longer than that
[19:04] <pragmaticenigma> tayzee: I don't know then. A reboot is often a good place to start. I'm guessing the the job you commented out, is still actively being called someplace else, by another task
[19:04] <tayzee> pragmaticenigma: its all the jobs though..
[19:05] <tayzee> pragmaticenigma: just checking my nginx access logs as one of the jobs access a file through the webserver.. it shows two logs..
[19:08] <tayzee> pragmaticenigma: its not the end of the world, but now that i noticed that its definitely happening i though i might as well try and fix it
[19:08] <lordcirth> tayzee, I generally use grep -r to hunt down this sort of thing
[19:08] <pragmaticenigma> tayzee: I've not heard of cron just starting to double up like that ... esepcially randomly.
[19:09] <pragmaticenigma> tayzee: I'm more concerned that this might not be so much as a random event, as much as it might be indicative that the system may have been compromized
[19:10] <lordcirth> pragmaticenigma, that seems an odd symptom of compromise?
[19:10] <pragmaticenigma> tayzee: I don't know how the machine is configured, but I do know that there have been a dozen critical security vulnerabilities patched in the last two months. Especailly in the kernel space, I would think that it's odd you hvaen't rebooted to apply a kernel patch in that time
[19:10] <tayzee> lordcirth: im busy running a find query at the moment on / to see if i can find anything else that references the script
[19:10] <tayzee> pragmaticenigma: im doubtful of a compromise to be honest
[19:11] <pragmaticenigma> tayzee: It's just a theory, but something to think about
[19:11] <pragmaticenigma> tayzee: cron doesn't randomly start running tasks twice, in fact, computers don't do anything randomly
[19:11] <pragmaticenigma> tayzee: that's my basis on my thought process
[19:12] <tayzee> pragmaticenigma: yeah, i hear you.. hence why i feel like its duplicated somewhere for some reason..
[19:13] <lordcirth> tayzee, what 'find query'?
[19:14] <tayzee> lordcirth: find . -type f -exec grep -l "summary.php" {} +
[19:15] <OneM_Laptop> Alright, so.
[19:15] <lordcirth> tayzee, why invoke grep once per file, instead of using grep -r?
[19:15] <OneM_Laptop> kubkde: Any way to retain some of the stuff that has been installed?
[19:16] <OneM_Laptop> I ask because this computer does all the website editing, photo editing, etc.
[19:17] <tayzee> lordcirth: i thought they pretty much did the same thing?
[19:19] <lordcirth> tayzee, except the find command is more complex and slower; it will spawn a new grep process for every file
[19:19] <gvvg_> Hi I'm using fail2ban 0.9.3-1 and I'm have a ban put on an ip triggered by the [dovecot] rule - is there an easy way to use the regex to parse the mail.log and get what triggered the ban ?
[19:20] <gyles19> gvvg_: You use 'regexp' and 'easy' in the same sentence. :D
[19:20] <gvvg_> lol - I was hoping to copy and paste into a command line - silly me :)
[19:21] <gvvg_> I don't want to understand the regex just to see the output of the rule
[19:21] <ceibal> hola
[19:21] <tayzee> lordcirth: ok, i see. thanks
[19:23] <gyles19> gvvg_: I'm pretty sure fail2ban has a debug capability.  I dove into it last year so it's been a while.  man fail2ban-regex to start? Or is that what brought you here?
[19:23] <gvvg_> gyles19: I haven't looked at fail2ban-regex - I'll read I guess :)
[19:43] <rwp> Is there a way to set focus follows mouse and autoraise on a fresh Ubuntu 18.04 installation?
[19:47] <[J]oules> leftyfb  tried to run the kernel upgrade but it says ....
[19:48] <[J]oules> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/PttLtFqa/
[19:48] <leftyfb> [J]oules: I suggested installing the -modules package for your running kernel
[19:48] <leftyfb> oh
[19:48] <macksting> Well, time to try the old Windows method, now that folks here have helped me figure out what was probably wrong. (No sarcasm intended; it was last night, and probably explains everything.)
[19:48] <macksting> Reformat and reinstallllllll
[19:48] <[J]oules> if i do it without bash...
[19:49] <leftyfb> [J]oules: you had some sort of line in your paste?
[19:49] <[J]oules> sudo apt install linux-modules-$(uname -r)
[19:49] <[J]oules> Illegal variable name.
[19:49] <leftyfb> [J]oules: "do it without bash" ?
[19:49] <[J]oules> yeah
[19:49] <[J]oules> my shell is tcsh
[19:49] <[J]oules> old bsd guy :)
[19:49] <leftyfb> [J]oules: oh, then $(uname -r) might not work
[19:50] <[J]oules> yeah but type bash should put me in bash shell
[19:50] <leftyfb> [J]oules: regardless, it looks like you already have the -modules package for 4.4.0-143
[19:50] <[J]oules> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/svhgekFH/
[19:51] <leftyfb> [J]oules: echo $(uname -r)
[19:52] <[J]oules> echo $(uname -r)
[19:52] <[J]oules> 4.4.0-143-generic
[19:52] <[J]oules> when typing exit to leave bash shell....
[19:53] <[J]oules> echo $(uname -r)
[19:53] <[J]oules> Illegal variable name.
[19:53] <the2048> Well I managed to get fan control working properly, thanks guys
[19:53] <[J]oules> i will try the upgrade command with su -
[19:54] <leirodes> @search aldous harding
[19:54] <[J]oules> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/taBdO73N/
[19:56] <ioria> [J]oules, this might help : https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=91833
[19:59] <[J]oules> ioria: thanks, i get the same errors. The only thing that might work is booting an older kernel
[19:59] <leftyfb> leirodes: can we help you with something?
[20:00] <ioria> [J]oules, yes, -142 and rebuild vm with  /sbin/vboxconfig command
[20:02] <[J]oules> ioria: i have it working but only with Version 5.1.38_Ubuntu r122592
[20:03] <[J]oules> if i go to 5.2 or 6.0 is a no-go houston
[20:03] <[J]oules> all i know is, prior to the kernel update yesterday, it was working flawlessly for the longest time.. years
[20:03] <ioria> [J]oules, if you're on xenial the right pkg is that  5.1.38-dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:04] <[J]oules> Linux palo 4.4.0-143-generic #169-Ubuntu SMP Thu Feb 7 07:56:38 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:05] <ioria> [J]oules, cat /etc/issue
[20:05] <[J]oules> Ubuntu 16.04.6 LTS \n \l
[20:06] <ioria> [J]oules, apt-cache policy virtualbox | grep Installed
[20:06] <[J]oules> Installed: 5.1.38-dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:07] <ioria> [J]oules, ok, boot the 142 kernel and run /sbin/vboxconfig
[20:07] <[J]oules> ioria: what for? I have it working
[20:08] <afx_> Hello! trying to send email through command line . i have found this https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1209810&p=7595986#post7595986. is there a way I can skip the opening of the evolution gui and send the email directly ?
[20:08] <[J]oules> but i can't upgrade to 6
[20:08] <ioria> [J]oules, ok, so what's the problem?
[20:08] <[J]oules> what i just said
[20:08] <[J]oules> and the fact it took 2 hours to get it to work again
[20:09] <ioria> [J]oules, 6.0 will be available on 19.04 disco
[20:09] <[J]oules> i am worried if I boot older kernel, upgrade virtualbox to 6, run /sbin/vboxconfig and then boot to current kernel, virtualbox won't work
[20:09] <ioria> !info virtualbox disco
[20:10] <[J]oules> ioria: 6.0 doesnt work yet?
[20:10] <leftyfb> [J]oules: don't upgrade to 6. It's not supported on/by Ubuntu.
[20:10] <leftyfb> !info virtualbox-6.0 disco
[20:10] <ioria> odd
[20:10] <[J]oules> maybe i dont quite get it but....
[20:10] <[J]oules> # aptitude search virtualbox
[20:11] <[J]oules> c   virtualbox-6.0
[20:11] <ioria> in any case will be 6.0.4-dfsg-7 on disco :þ
[20:11] <leftyfb> [J]oules: you'll have to seek support from Oracle if you need to use 6
[20:11] <[J]oules> ok so youre saying to wait
[20:11] <[J]oules> no problem
[20:11] <[J]oules> i just thought that running what leftyfb said, would work
[20:12] <leftyfb> [J]oules: it was an assumption
[20:12] <leftyfb> [J]oules: part of troubleshooting
[20:12] <[J]oules> but it did work, just stated at latest already
[20:12] <[J]oules> leftyfb: no problem. Thank you for your help man
[20:14] <retek> Wondering if anyone noticed that newest kernel update https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2019-March/004803.html seems to have broken netboot installs.
[20:14] <lordcirth> retek, breaks how?
[20:14] <leftyfb> retek: how so?
[20:15] <retek> Doing a Ubuntu 16.04 netboot install, looks like linux-image-4.4.0-143-generic.postinstall: 50
[20:15] <retek> linux--update-symlinks: not found
[20:15] <lordcirth> seems like an extra dash there?
[20:16] <texla> upgraded 16.04 to 18.04.2 using software updater when I run wmctrl it shows xfwm4 my other laptop shows gnome shell why difference ?
[20:16] <retek> ya, I can't copy the text from my VM, so I manually typing the error
[20:16] <lordcirth> retek, ok, so the error you get doesn't actually have that extra dash?
[20:16] <retek> no, sorry about that.
[20:16] <lordcirth> np
[20:17] <[J]oules> leftyfb: would it make any diff if this box was upgraded to 18.04 ?
[20:17] <leftyfb> [J]oules: probably not as far as vbox 6 goes. At least with support.
[20:17] <lordcirth> retek, this may be relevant? http://ubuntu.5.x6.nabble.com/linux-update-symlinks-not-available-in-all-Ubuntu-versions-td5167563.html
[20:17] <macksting> I have a fresh new install of 18.04.1. How do I make it .2 right now?
[20:17] <lordcirth> macksting, apt update; apt full-upgrade
[20:18] <macksting> Thank you!
[20:18] <leftyfb> lordcirth: full-upgrade isn't necessary to get to the next point release
[20:18] <ioria> -143  has been a 'fast and furious' thing due to a big bug
[20:18] <lordcirth> no problem
[20:18] <[J]oules> leftyfb: ok, thanks
[20:18] <lordcirth> leftyfb, isn't that the whole point of full- vs not?
[20:19] <retek> Maybe, but the netboot installs where working before the recent update to the kernel in 16.04LTS
[20:19] <macksting> For my part I'm not overly concerned about the difference between .2 and full upgrade if full upgrade is better.
[20:19] <macksting> Well, no, not better.
[20:19] <macksting> Sufficient.
[20:20] <lordcirth> macksting, https://askubuntu.com/questions/194651/why-use-apt-get-upgrade-instead-of-apt-get-dist-upgrade
[20:20] <retek> and since it is during install, I do not get to the point of being able to install any additional software to help this problem.
[20:20] <leftyfb> lordcirth: no according to the man page or google
[20:21] <lordcirth> retek, at what stage during the install?
[20:21] <the2048> lightdm (compiz with GPU accelerated FX) and sleeping don't like to work
[20:21] <retek> It is "setting up" the packages at this point.
[20:22] <ioria> retek, if you skip it ?
[20:23] <retek> NOpe, just says install failed, puts you back the installer main menu, with "install the base system" select.  And then the cycle beings again :)
[20:23] <ioria> no good
[20:24] <ioria> retek, you need 16.04 at all costs ?
[20:25] <retek> Well, this case I need to get 16.04 installs working via netboot.
[20:25] <ioria> retek, mini.iso ?
[20:25] <retek> If this is a bug that is being worked on, I can postpone things...
[20:25] <kubkde> How do you remove a kernel from a system?
[20:25] <retek> Ya, I used the mini.iso to repo the issue but normally i use pxe installs.
[20:26] <retek> both show the same problems
[20:26] <kubkde> Apparently removing the files in /boot and /lib/modules is not enough
[20:26] <leftyfb> kubkde: that is very bad
[20:26] <leftyfb> kubkde: use apt
[20:26] <retek> this looks like something that was introduced with the new kernel patch.
[20:26] <ioria> retek, still in time for 14.04 mini.iso and do-release-upgrade after thet
[20:26] <leftyfb> kubkde: I would reinstall the kernel and use apt to remove it properly
[20:27] <lordcirth> retek, sure you can't use 18.04?
[20:27] <texla> upgraded 16.04 to 18.04.2 using software updater when I run wmctrl it shows xfwm4 my other laptop shows gnome shell why difference ?
[20:27] <retek> ya... that isn't my point.  I am just trying to get netboot installs working for 16.04
[20:27] <retek> I have use cases for 14 and 18 also but those work.
[20:28] <ioria> retek, booting off a media ?
[20:28] <kubkde> leftyfb, oops. That would explain a lot. Thanks
[20:28] <lordcirth> texla, xfwm4 is from XFCE
[20:30] <texla> lordcirth, why is upgrade using xfce
[20:30] <ioria> retek, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-base/+bug/1766851
[20:30] <lordcirth> texla, you probably installed XFCE on that machine in the past.
[20:31] <texla> lordcirth, how do I install gnome shell  this machine
[20:32] <lordcirth> texla, 'apt install ubuntu-desktop' should do it
[20:32] <texla> lordcirth, thanks for the help
[20:37] <kaniki> hi Guys I have a problem my audio card is working fine but sometimes the sound goes off and it will never work again only if I restart the computer or if I putted it to sleep and turn it on so my question is there a command to make the changes that happened to the audio on the restart or on the turn on so I dont have to do it every time the problem comes
[20:37] <kaniki> I tried the force-reload and the pulseaudio -k ... but nothing
[20:38] <the2048> Does this happen after resuming from sleep?
[20:39] <kaniki> it works fine after resuming from sleep if the audio goes off I turn it to sleep and after the resuming it works fine
[20:39] <kaniki> or after the reboot it works fine
[20:39] <the2048> Any software you installed recently?
[20:40] <leftyfb> kaniki: what version of ubuntu?
[20:40] <kaniki> this problem happening from long time I felt sick of it , i've tried to always reboot it so it work
[20:40] <the2048> Yeah we're going to need the version too
[20:41] <kaniki> Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS
[20:41] <nshirelaptop> if I have a program like say Darktable installed and I want the newer version from a 3rd party repository, do I need to first do apt-remove Darktable?
[20:41] <nshirelaptop> and then add the repo and install?
[20:42] <ioria> kaniki, did you check syslog when the audio goes off ?
[20:42] <kaniki> ioria, now is off hh , how can i check it
[20:42] <tgm4883> nshirelaptop: while 3rd party repos are unsupported, generally you wouldn't need to do that provided the packaging was similar and followed the same version convention
[20:42] <kubkde> tgm4883, alright I've went and purged them then used kexec to force my system to recognize the new kernel since I can't reboot in chroot. Then it froze the whole system (in VM). Do you think it's possible to wait it out?
[20:43] <ioria> kaniki, cat /var/log/syslog
[20:43] <ioria> !info darktable
[20:43] <tgm4883> kubkde: I'm not sure what you're talking about, did you mean someone else?
[20:43] <kubkde> oops
[20:43] <kubkde> Yeah I did, sorry about that
[20:44] <ioria> ubottu is drunk
[20:44] <nshirelaptop> it's definitely in the default repo ioria
[20:44] <nshirelaptop> ye
[20:44] <ioria> i know
[20:44] <nshirelaptop> also is there any particular reason why programs in the default repo are so out of date?
[20:44] <nshirelaptop> seems like a common theme
[20:45] <tgm4883> !latest | nshirelaptop
[20:45] <ioria> nshirelaptop, you know there is a ppa, right ?
[20:46] <Vic2> wth???
[20:46] <Vic2> E: Release file for http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-security/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 2h 39min 27s). Updates for this repository will not be applied.
[20:46] <Vic2> E: Release file for http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 6h 24min 53s). Updates for this repository will not be applied.
[20:46] <Vic2> E: Release file for http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-backports/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 2h 40min 27s). Updates for this repository will not be applied.
[20:46] <kaniki> ioria, what I should look for exactly on the logs
[20:46] <ioria> kaniki, pulseaudio, alsa