[00:04] <insanity99> Hey guys
[00:08] <Bashing-om> insanity99: :) .. What new adventure have you found ?
[00:08] <Budgii> wassup insanity99
[00:10] <insanity99> Bashing-om,  Oh well I installed arch linux successfully haha
[00:10] <insanity99> But no drama thankfully :D
[00:11] <insanity99> hey Budgii
[00:13] <Budgii> whats good insanity99?
[00:13] <ShellcatZero> dumb question: when I see warnings about init scripts, where should I find these files?  For example: insserv: warning: script 'K01xfce4-power-manager' missing LSB tags and overrides.  I've checked in /etc/init and /etc/init.d and I cannot find a script with this name
[00:14] <Sven_vB> my new USB device doesn't work, syslog says "device descriptor read/64, error -32" and "device not accepting address 81, error -32" (more messages: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Q6XhMfV5rn/ ) so I tried the workaround "modprobe -r ehci_hcd" from forum thread https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=782007 but "modprobe: FATAL: Module ehci_hcd is builtin." :< any other ideas?
[00:18] <tomreyn> ShellcatZero: /etc/rc?.d/
[00:18] <phoenix_firebrd> Sven_vB: what is the device?, some of the drivers of older devices got archived
[00:20] <Sven_vB> phoenix_firebrd, it'S a USB to RS-232 adapter. actually I've two of them, the other is detected as "ch341 1-1.1:1.0: ch341-uart converter detected" "usb 1-1.1: ch341-uart converter now attached to ttyUSB0"
[00:20] <ShellcatZero> awesome, thank you tomreyn
[00:20] <tomreyn> :)
[00:22] <TJ-> Sven_vB: sounds like a bad device or connection
[00:23] <Sven_vB> TJ-, I suspected that, so I tried with my netbook, and there the problematic adapter is detected immediately
[00:24] <tomreyn> Sven_vB: which OS does your netbook run?
[00:24] <Sven_vB> Ubuntu trusty
[00:24] <TJ-> Sven_vB: is this a direct connect into a PC port, or via a hub?
[00:24] <Sven_vB> same as here on my IRC notebook
[00:25] <tomreyn> and th eone which exhibits the error?
[00:25] <tomreyn> ok
[00:25] <Sven_vB> TJ-, it's connected directly, vs. via extension cable on my notebook. I'll compare that, too.
[00:25] <tomreyn> so it needs to be hardware / environment specific
[00:25] <Sven_vB> I didn't suspect the extension cable because the other RS-232 adapter had no problem with it
[00:28] <TabMasher> Can anyone recommend a good cloud backup service that supports Ubuntu?  I need to backup my /home and a few external hard-drives.
[00:28] <Sven_vB> with direct connection, it works on my notebook, too. that's good enough for me for now. :)
[00:28] <Sven_vB> thanks!
[00:31] <Sven_vB> might the problem be about total cable length? does the error seem like the picky adapter cable might have worse electrical quality?
[00:31] <TJ-> Sven_vB: yes, exactly that
[00:33] <Sven_vB> what are my chances of solving the problem by having the cable shortened? I could ask a friend to cut out most of the middle and solder it back together
[00:34] <TabMasher> I can find several good cloud backup services, but they basically only support Windows and OSX... :(
[00:36] <TabMasher> And the idea of using NTFS for my /home and dual booting windows isn't a plesant one.
[00:36] <Sven_vB> TabMasher, what features are you looking for?
[00:37] <orion_> i am using ntfs shared across my ubuntu and windows
[00:38] <TabMasher> Sven_vB: Unlimited backup, external drive backup basically.  Backblaze seems to be the best but I've only found reviews and info for windows and mac platforms.
[00:39] <Sven_vB> TabMasher, so basically cheap huge storage?
[00:39] <TabMasher> Sven_vB: Right on the mark.
[00:40] <Sven_vB> TabMasher, how many weeks prior notice of price changes? (aka how long will it take you to escape)
[00:40] <TabMasher> Bandwidth is also a factor.  some are ultra slow, and some are limited but much faster.
[00:41] <tehbigapple> I am going to call the embassys; sorry prof
[00:41] <TabMasher> Sven_vB: I've never considered the price change.  Most of them allow a user to make an annual payment.
[00:42] <TabMasher> Backblaze is $50 a year, unlimited, supports external drives, but that doesn't do me much good on ubuntu so far as I can tell.
[00:44] <TabMasher> Does anyone here use a "cloud based" backup service at all?
[00:45] <tomreyn> https://help.backblaze.com/hc/en-us/articles/217664628-Is-Backblaze-going-to-offer-Linux-support-
[00:45] <tomreyn> looks supported to me, with 2 tuorials
[00:45] <TabMasher> tomreyn: Interesting.  I'll have look into that.   It won't launch for me
[00:48] <tehbigapple> ask for the Europa package
[00:48] <ShellcatZero> I'm trying to investigate an issue with lightdm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1760371
[00:48] <bugbunny> insanity99: Works here?
[00:48] <TabMasher> bugbunny: That's pretty decent.  15TB would probably suffice.  What do you use?
[00:49] <bugbunny> TabMasher: Backblaze
[00:49] <bugbunny> TabMasher: I use rclone atm.
[00:49] <TabMasher> Tabmow: Ah!  What kind of payment plan do you use with that?  Annual, or do you pay monthly?
[00:50] <ShellcatZero> I use steam insanity99, no problems
[00:52]  * Sven_vB wouldn't even know what to do with so much data vs. limited life time.
[00:54] <insanity99> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8dCpPzstfT/ bugbunny ShellcatZero
[00:54] <vexorr> hi there, I want to install lubuntu with apt-get, I only have 8 GB of storage on this compute stick, I put in a 64 GB microsd. how can I install lubuntu on the extra storage?
[00:56] <TabMasher> Sven_vB: lol, I have a LOT of media content.  I make a ton of video, audio and photo data, and it keeps increasing every year.  I use onsite backup but the very real threat of theft, fire, flood, whatever really has me worried since there was a recent theft in the neighborhood.  I wish I had someplace to house my own offsite backup.
[00:57] <ShellcatZero> it sounds like you're having issues with your graphics driver insanity99, have a look at https://askubuntu.com/questions/654566/steam-doesnt-start-libgl-error
[00:57] <TabMasher> bugbunny: Ah!  What kind of payment plan do you use with Backblaze?  Annual, or do you pay monthly?
[00:58] <bugbunny> TabMasher: That's the CAP, I pay only for what I use
[00:58] <agio> TabMasher: cant you rsync to an external disk - say once a week that you keep offsite?
[00:58] <bugbunny> insanity99: https://askubuntu.com/questions/654566/steam-doesnt-start-libgl-error
[00:59] <TabMasher> agio: That is a possibility, but I need something that will update at least daily, and I have several external disks.
[00:59] <bugbunny> insanity99: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=193802
[00:59] <agio> TabMasher: trying to backup video etc over a network must be super hard
[00:59] <Sheilong> after installed nvidia drivers from package manager the unity is not opening anymore
[01:00] <Sheilong> it is opening only a different window manager
[01:00] <Sheilong> how can I fix it?
[01:00] <TabMasher> agio: I have to keep the original source data, and the files are absolutely huge, indeed.
[01:00] <insanity99> Thank you guys, removing the libstdc++.so.6 file fixed it for some reason
[01:02] <Sven_vB> TabMasher, maybe you can find people in your area who have the same problem and would pair with you for storing the other's backup. for some of the data, pooling it might yield good deduplication.
[01:02] <TabMasher> I can even encrypt them and break them down into smaller file segments for network/cloud storage if I need to if the cloud service only handled files of limited size...
[01:03] <agio> TabMasher: one option I guess would be to have 2 backup copies. One offsite which is safe, but say a week or so old, and another with the machine which you rsync (or some other backup program) out to everyday - or twice a day etc...
[01:05] <TabMasher> agio: That might work too, if I could find someone I'd trust to keep it safe.  heh.  HD space is relatively cheap and there's equity in the purchase too.
[01:12] <Sheilong> nybody knows how may I fix it?
[01:12] <Sheilong> I am using ubuntu 16.04 lts
[01:15] <Bashing-om> Sheilong: Pstebin for the channel ' sudo lshw -C display ' as a palce to start .
[01:15] <TabMasher> bunnyman_: Upload: $0.005/GB per Month & Download: $0.01/GB   That might be more expensive for me.  I wonder if they support virtual machines...
[01:16] <TabMasher> I mean, run windows XP in a VM, just to make use of it.
[01:16] <TabMasher> to make use of their unlimited service, I mean.
[01:17] <TabMasher> Anyway, thank you for the input.
[01:17] <jeffrey_f> where is the old network manager (the name) where you can configure internet connection sharing et al
[01:18] <leftyfb> jeffrey_f: which version of ubuntu?
[01:18] <bugbunny> TabMasher: That's expensive?
[01:18] <jeffrey_f> 17.10
[01:18] <Sheilong> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/TxkjVeS0
[01:19] <bugbunny> TabMasher: Alternatively, whilst not enterprise, is Amazon Consumer cloud storage for 60USD a year
[01:19] <yohanna> hello!
[01:20] <jeffrey_f> leftyfb, 17.10,
[01:20] <leftyfb> jeffrey_f: I don't use 17.10, but my assumption was it's in the same place. Top-right of the panel
[01:20] <TabMasher> bugbunny: That's an idea.  I totally forgot about Amazon's cloud storage.
[01:20] <jeffrey_f> leftyfb, nope, that brings up the basic one, The older one had more advanced options.
[01:21] <leftyfb> jeffrey_f: run: nm-connection-editor
[01:22] <Bashing-om> Sheilong: Old card . what driver is installed ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia '  ?
[01:22] <bugbunny> TabMasher: Not S3, the consumer Prime one
[01:23] <bugbunny> I think it's called Amazon Prime Cloud Storage (I think)
[01:23] <TabMasher> bugbunny: Thank you for the input, I'll definitely look into it as well.
[01:24] <TabMasher> Thanks to all who gave some input on cloud storage for ubuntu.
[01:25] <Sheilong> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/QKb5U25t
[01:25] <yohanna> Good nigth!
[01:26] <yohanna> *nighy
[01:26] <yohanna> *night
[01:26] <Sheilong> I've just installed it today.
[01:27] <Sheilong> after install it, the other window manager I don't know its name is loading
[01:28] <Sheilong> On google everybody complains about black or white screen which is not my case
[01:28] <Sheilong> instead another WM opens than unity
[01:29] <Bashing-om> Sheilong: Uh uh .. ya want the 340 version driver : http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html. ' sudo apt purge nvidia* ; sudo apt update ; sido apt full-upgrade ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' renoot and advise .
[01:31] <Bashing-om> Sheilong: One can then choose the session in the login screen that is  wanted .
[01:32] <Sheilong> i didn't find the option to choose
[01:32] <Sheilong> I am new to ubuntu.
[01:33] <Sheilong> It is even being hard to read the messages here I can't expand the screen of emacs lol
[01:35] <Bashing-om> Sheilong: Let's get the correct driver for your card installed . and then see what needs done .
[01:35] <Sheilong> Ok
[01:35] <Sheilong> Bashing-om: Thanks a lot for helping
[01:35] <Sheilong> I will reboot now.
[01:35] <Sheilong> I will be right back.
[01:44] <Sheilong> Bashing-om: Yet the unity not opening
[01:45] <Sheilong> I am at the same wm as before
[01:45] <Sheilong> Hadn't seen a option to switch
[01:45] <Bashing-om> Sheilong: K; and what release is this ' lsb_release -a ' ?
[01:46] <Sheilong> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/QeLCdKXC
[01:49] <Sheilong> Shall I reinstall lightdm?
[01:52] <Bashing-om> Sheilong: Re-install, no .. I bet it is hust a config issue - if even that , what have we to work with. what shows ' ls -al /usr/share/xsessions ' ?
[01:53] <Bashing-om> just*
[01:53] <Sheilong> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/L6SysyJn
[01:53] <Sheilong> it seems like everything there is owned by root account
[01:55] <Bashing-om> Sheilong: That is fine for root to own . But, you only have " ubuntu.desktop " as a session - no other choices .
[01:56] <bluesmonk> uhm, I'm getting started with vagrant and ngrok, and the ngrok install instructions in https://ngrok.com/download say that "Most people like to keep ngrok in their primary user folder or set an alias for easy command-line access. "
[01:56] <Sheilong> That is right.
[01:57] <severnfold> can anyone help me with an apple question?
[01:57] <Sheilong> But why does the unity is not opening anymore
[01:57] <Sheilong> I just installed the nvidia driver and it blows up ?
[01:57] <bluesmonk> what is this primary user folder? /usr?
[01:57] <severnfold> about ther kernels
[01:57] <leftyfb> severnfold: try #apple
[01:57] <Bashing-om> Sheilong: " For unity-3d the session file is called ubuntu.desktop " . So what is it that you are getting that you do not expect ?
[01:58] <severnfold> but here is easier and someone will probably know the answer
[01:58] <leftyfb> bluesmonk: you should stick with installing vagrant and the ngrok client/server from apt in ubuntu
[01:58] <severnfold> surely not everyone here is pure linux
[01:58] <bluesmonk> where should I unzip ngrok? and how do I set the alias for easy command-line access? using ln?
[01:58] <leftyfb> severnfold: Apple and it's kernels are not supported here. It has nothing to do with linux at all
[01:59] <felipe`> I am sheilong. I switched emacs by mistake and can't alter between programs in the mode I am right now = /
[01:59] <felipe`> this stupid driver screw up
[01:59] <leftyfb> bluesmonk: as for aliases: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/aliases.html
[02:00] <Bashing-om> felipe`: Sheilong: " For unity-3d the session file is called ubuntu.desktop " . So what is it that you are getting that you do not expect ?
[02:00] <leftyfb> bluesmonk: first result on google for "bash aliases"
[02:00] <severnfold> yeah i know but i cba to find an apple irc
[02:00] <bluesmonk> vagrant docs says the apt version is outdated... and ngrok does not even mention apt
[02:00] <felipe`> Bashing-om: I am in a limited screen without the bar at the left
[02:00] <bluesmonk> so I guess I should trust the docs on this
[02:00] <felipe`> I can only open terminals by clicking withg the right button of the mouse at the screen
[02:01] <felipe`> I can't switch programs,. It is not the normal window manager that comes with ubuntu
[02:01] <felipe`> it is what I am getting in
[02:01] <leftyfb> bluesmonk: vagrant is version 1.8.1+dfsg-1ubuntu0.1 and ngrok server/client are 1.6+dfsg-1  .. in Ubuntu 16.04
[02:02] <leftyfb> bluesmonk: installing those applications from source isn't really supported here. You should just follow the instructions and/or contact support from their respective websites
[02:02] <bluesmonk> ok, but  my issue is not with vagrant. is with ngrok. I should not have mentioned it
[02:03] <bluesmonk> yeah, leftyfb. I'm not asking for ngrok support. Is just that the install docs states something that "users commonly do" and I'm not sure what they mean. I guess that is an ontopic question right?
[02:03] <bluesmonk> where would you unzip that folder in your opinion?
[02:03] <leftyfb> bluesmonk: ubuntu users usually install applications using apt
[02:04] <leftyfb> bluesmonk: other than that, follow the instructions for the application you're installing
[02:04] <bluesmonk> come on
[02:05] <leftyfb> bluesmonk: I don't install applications from zip files. There's little to no way of updating or removing them cleanly. I do everything using apt or snap.
[02:05] <leftyfb> That's my opinion
[02:05] <felipe`> Bashing-om: this is how I see my screen https://imgur.com/a/9HOaq
[02:05] <felipe`> after the fucked nvidia driver screw it
[02:05] <Bashing-om> felipe`: Try: ' dconf reset -f /org/compiz/ ; unity --reset-icons ; setsid unity ' to set compiz back to defaults .
[02:05] <leftyfb> bluesmonk: unless you know of a particular reason you can't use the versions available from apt, I would stick with apt. Or even snap
[02:06] <bluesmonk> E: Unable to locate package ngrok
[02:06] <leftyfb> bluesmonk: what version of ubuntu?
[02:07] <felipe`> Anything changed
[02:07] <leftyfb> bluesmonk: it's ngrok-client or ngrok-server
[02:07] <leftyfb> bluesmonk: both of them are from the universe repo
[02:08] <jembelee> hello i just installed metasploit using this tutorial https://www.darkoperator.com/installing-metasploit-in-ubunt/ but i cannot run metasploit except from the folder any help
[02:09] <leftyfb> jembelee: metasploit isn't supported here
[02:10] <leftyfb> jembelee: also, if you can't figure out aliases or installing an application properly, what are you trying to accomplish with metasploit?
[02:10] <bluesmonk> not that I'm into bitching, but just wanted to make a point here. I'm not asking how to install stuff using apt, I'm asking about something that should believe common practice. About the universe repo, it has version 1.6 and ngrok 1.x is unmaintained.
[02:11] <bluesmonk> so, the ngrok developers don't mention apt, I would have used that if they did. Thanks for the time anyway
[02:12] <NuttyNutterson> How can I see what directory this installs to by default? https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/coturn
[02:12] <NuttyNutterson> I can't find it in /usr/lib
[02:13] <leftyfb> NuttyNutterson: sudo dpkg -S coturn
[02:13] <NuttyNutterson> Thanks
[02:18] <jembelee> leftyb its not about installing metasploit its just how to make it link to my home directory that's not working
[02:20] <Sheilong> Bashing-om: I rebooted but no way to get things back = /
[02:21] <Sheilong> I am considering to remove nvidias drivers
[02:21] <Sheilong> But I believe it will not fix this issue.
[02:21] <Bashing-om> Sheilong: Are you booting to a degraded GUI or booting straight to a terminal ?
[02:22] <Sheilong> Bashing-om: O sent you the screen I am logged in
[02:22] <Sheilong> I am getting into a degraded GUI
[02:23] <Bashing-om> Sheilong: And that is what has be confused . what are you booting up to ?
[02:23] <Sheilong> Bashing-om: https://i.imgur.com/1en2XkA.png
[02:23] <Sheilong> This screen.
[02:23] <Sheilong> I don't know the name of this screen
[02:23] <Sheilong> But I am not getting into a terminal
[02:24] <Sheilong> This is just a degraded Window Manager which I doesn't know how it is called.
[02:24] <Sheilong> mouse right click at the screen offers me some options as to open a terminal, change desktop background and so on
[02:25] <Bashing-om> Sheilong: ' cat ~/.xsession-errors ' .
[02:25] <Sheilong> No such file or directory
[02:25] <Sheilong> cannot connect to brltty at :0
[02:25] <Sheilong>
[02:27] <Sheilong> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/K71QpzTw
[02:28] <blizzy2> hey
[02:29] <blizzy2> d
[02:30] <Bashing-om> Sheilong: ' rm ~/.gconf ~/.gconfd ~/.metacity ~/.compiz-1 ~/.config/compiz-1 ~/.config/dconf ~/.dmrc -rf ' .
[02:32] <Sheilong> done
[02:32] <Bashing-om> Sheilong: reboot,, all user settings are reset to default .
[02:32] <Sheilong> I hope so. It said that files does not exit
[02:32] <Sheilong> exist*
[02:32] <Sheilong> I put the rf right after rm
[02:36] <Sheilong> No way = /
[02:36] <Sheilong> Those files does not exist
[02:36] <Bashing-om> Sheilong: Ouch ! .. What reults in logging into the guest account ?
[02:37] <Sheilong> Let me check it out
[02:41] <sheilong> Bashing-om: Guest account is working just fine.
[02:41] <sheilong> I am at the guest account actually
[02:43] <sheilong> Bashing-om: https://imgur.com/a/i7JNZ this is how it looks in the guest account
[02:45] <Bashing-om> sheilong: Is really stange that removing the config files did not fix. Take the sledge hammer approach and re-install the desktop ?
[02:47] <sheilong> I don't know
[02:47] <sheilong> as I said when I tried to remove it say the files does not exist
[02:48] <sheilong> How may I reinstall it?
[02:49] <sheilong> never mind.
[02:49] <sheilong> I found a tutorial from my cellphone
[02:49] <sheilong> I will reinstall the lightdm then to see if it fix okay?
[02:59] <Sheilong> Bashing-om: didn't work removing and installing again
[03:01] <Bashing-om> Sheilong: this : " sudo apt purge ubuntu-desktop ; sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop ' ??
[03:01] <Sheilong> Bashing-om: no
[03:01] <Sheilong> I will try this
[03:02] <Sheilong> Package 'ubuntu-desktop' is not installed, so not removed
[03:02] <Sheilong>
[03:09] <Sheilong> Bashing-om: Any thoghts lol
[03:10] <Bashing-om> Sheilong: did you install ubuntu-desktop ?
[03:10] <Sheilong> Yes
[03:11] <Sheilong> Bashing-om: ubuntu-desktop is already the newest version (1.361.1).
[03:11] <Sheilong>
[03:11] <Bashing-om> Sheilong: What results ' sudo dkpg-reconfigure unity ' ?
[03:12] <Sheilong> Bashing-om: none results
[03:13] <Bashing-om> Sheilong: ' sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm ' ?
[03:14] <Sheilong> it asks me for choose gdm3 or lightdm
[03:15] <Bashing-om> ShellcatZero: lightdm .
[03:16] <Bashing-om> Sheilong: lightdm ?
[03:16] <Sheilong> yes
[03:16] <Sheilong> I choose it
[03:16] <Sheilong> I 've been through this screen already
[03:16] <Sheilong> gdm and lightdm
[03:17] <Bashing-om> Sheilong: ' sudo service lightdm start ' .
[03:18] <Sheilong> returns nothing
[03:18] <ShellcatZero> Bashing-om: I've already tried that, I've also purged and reinstalled, to no effect
[03:19] <Sheilong> ShellcatZero: What fixed your issue?
[03:19] <Bashing-om> Sheilong: End of my knowledge base . Do not know of a fix for unity .
[03:20] <ShellcatZero> Sheilong: there is no fix yet, if you are experiencing the issue, please say so at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1760371 so that a fix can be prioritized.
[03:20] <Sheilong> I don't have problem with lightdm
[03:20] <Sheilong> The issue is with unity
[03:23] <ShellcatZero> Sheilong: are you sure the issue is not with your display manager instead of the desktop environment?
[03:23] <ShellcatZero> is with*
[03:38] <MacBootFailure> Hello, is it possible to boot another OS via an ubuntu live cd, in a similar way to how the super grub live cd works?
[03:38] <MacBootFailure> For reasons I cannot decipher, my Mac refuses to boot super grub and many other disks; however, it happily boots this linux live cd
[03:39] <cheguacamole> what aspect of super grub do you wish to replicate
[03:39] <MacBootFailure> therefore, booting into another OS, e.g, my mac disk, can only be done via this disk. I'm really hoping that someone can help me boot into it.
[03:40] <MacBootFailure> Just the boot menu functionality
[03:40] <MacBootFailure> how it's possible to select any OS on the disk to boot into and do so via the live cd
[03:40] <MacBootFailure> since that live cd refuses to boot for some reason, I have to replicate that functionality via this disk
[03:41] <MacBootFailure> I don't have grub installed to my system, so update grub and the like won't help I assume. I need, if possible, to be able to boot into my mac drive through ubuntu. I remember that one of my arch linux live disks had such a functionality during the boot process, it would ask to either boot a live version of arch, or boot another OS
[03:42] <MacBootFailure> booting another OS is what I need, but I'm not sure where that disk is or if it would even work on this mac, only that this ubuntu disk does work
[03:42] <MacBootFailure> I'm sorry for the oddness of my request
[03:44] <cheguacamole> no it's very interesting i hope someone can answer you
[03:44] <MacBootFailure> Me too, thank you
[03:45] <MacBootFailure> I'm wondering how super grub 2 does what it does, since I assume I should be able to replicate this functionality
[03:45] <MacBootFailure> I don't know if any current version of arch linux includes that functionality in the live cd either, if it does, then I would like to try that, if you know of such a version
[03:46] <MacBootFailure> I burned that arch disk several years ago, so I don't know for sure where it came from, though I assume it is from an official source
[03:47] <cheguacamole> arch linux has a big community here
[03:49] <cheguacamole> i see 1711 people in #archlinux
[03:51] <MacBootFailure> okay
[03:52] <MacBootFailure> I guess I could ask
[03:52] <vexorr> how can I get a question answered?
[03:52] <Bashing-om> !ask | vexorr
[03:53] <vexorr> yes but I asked a question and I had no response
[03:55] <ShellcatZero> vexorr: You might try the #lubuntu channel for your question
[03:55] <vexorr> alright
[03:55] <vexorr> thanks
[03:56] <Bashing-om> vexorr: Not many of us have experience with a microsd install . Ask the question again in about 20 minute intervals .
[03:56] <MacBootFailure> hmm
[03:57] <ShellcatZero> vexorr: I've never tried to install it like you are, but I would suppose that during the disk configuration dialogue you would be able to select the SD card in the disk menu (when you select custom install options)
[03:57] <agio> hi, I see in the apt repo (universe) a package "xul-ext-ublock-origin" - is this a firefox addon/extension - if so - is adding a firefox extension via apt-get the same as adding it through firefox?
[04:00] <vexorr> ShellcatZero: how can I bring up disk config?
[04:02] <cheguacamole> just a point about #lubuntu though, i've spent about 100 hours in there and never seen a question answered
[04:03] <cheguacamole> have only seen about 4 asked though
[04:03] <vexorr> oh great
[04:04] <MacBootFailure2> Hello, ugh, my system won't let me type
[04:04] <MacBootFailure2> so now I'm back from my laptop
[04:04] <ddhk> What's the difference between Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS and Ubuntu 17.10.1 if I just want to experiment with Ubuntu for the the first time on a virtual machine.
[04:05] <agio> 17.10 will almost be at "end of life" - next month
[04:05] <guiverc> ddhk, LTS is a long term support release (from 2016-April hence 16.04, two major updates) - LTS are generally more stable. 17.10 is from 2017-October so will contain later software; but may not be as stable as ~LTS)
[04:06] <ddhk> Ok so I should go with LTS version then
[04:06] <Sheilong> Bashing-om:  thanks for your help.
[04:06] <Sheilong> I am using gnome instead.
[04:06] <Sheilong> Untill figure out how to fix it
[04:07] <guiverc> 2017-oct release comes with 9 months life; so a few months support remains
[04:07] <Bashing-om> Sheilong: That is a solution - sorry we could not resolve to unity .
[04:09] <guiverc> ddhk, your usage will determine best for you.  if you're learning Ubuntu, using a shorter-life will also let you experience the release-upgrading (upgrading to 18.04 will need to occur faster) faster than 16.04LTS which won't occur till 18.04.1 gets released much later this year (unless forced)
[04:11] <ddhk> guiverc I just want to install it on a virtual machine as I'm still very dependant on windows right now. And I want to play around with it and learn it before installing in directly onto my laptop
[04:12] <donofrio> ddhk, "Why not both" perhaps use WSL (http://www.tinyurl.com/donofrio1804 - mysetup is when you have no "Store access"))
[04:13] <guiverc> ddhk,  both will do that role - its up to you. 17.10 has later software, a much shorter life (9mnths over half over, 16.04 hasn't reached half yet!).. both will teach you stuff..
[04:13] <ddhk> Why are there 2 versions? Did I miss something?
[04:14] <donofrio> ddhk, (skip unneeded onedrive login)
[04:15] <ddhk> Ubuntu has a onedrive login?
[04:17] <tomreyn> it does not
[04:17] <donofrio> no onedrive has a onedrive login
[04:18] <ddhk> Ok you got me confused because I was talking about Ubuntu not Microsoft Onedrive.
[04:18] <donofrio> I'll goto mute don't mind me
[04:18] <donofrio> I seen windows and ubuntu and figured
[04:19] <ddhk> Ah
[04:19] <guiverc> ddhk, two versions?  not sure what you meant.   non-LTS versions are for those that want the latest & don't mind release-upgrading regularly.  LTS releases are for those that want stability & want their installs to last years
[04:19] <ddhk> guiverc: ah ok
[04:23] <agio> hi, I see in the apt repo (universe) a package "xul-ext-ublock-origin" - is this a firefox addon/extension? I didn't know you could add a firefox addon through apt-get? is adding a firefox extension via apt-get the same as adding it through firefox UI?
[04:26] <ShellcatZero> vexorr: I haven't done this in a long time, but you will want to select the "something else" option, and then from there you may be able to see your microsd disk as place to install to.  See https://askubuntu.com/questions/343268/how-to-use-manual-partitioning-during-installation.
[04:27] <ShellcatZero> vexorr: if you are doing the install from a livecd, you should be able to first verify that your microsd is recognized as a disk from the command line.
[04:31] <tomreyn> agio: not the same in that it becomes available system-wide. this said, i don't expect xul addons to still work with current firefox versions.
[04:31] <ddhk> Any tips about migrating from Windows to Ubuntu?
[04:32] <arthur_> Does anyone know how I can completely remove virtualbox by using the terminal? I still have left-over files.
[04:33] <arthur_> ddhk I dual booted so the transition was quite smooth.
[04:33] <tomreyn> arthur_: try this: sudo apt-get purge 'virtualbox*'   # but it wont remove the configurations / disk images from your hopme directory
[04:34] <agio> tomreyn: thanks. If you are interested (discussion from day or so ago) as to why linux-firmware is in main - I think dax? explained its because ubuntu categorises firmware a bit differenctly to programs which run on cpu
[04:34] <tomreyn> good excuse ;)
[04:35] <tomreyn> well, not really IMO. but at least there's some sort of a policy then.
[04:35] <tomreyn> agio: thanks for the feedback.
[04:36] <tomreyn> ddhk: do it. ;-) if you have enough RAM, you can still run windows in a VM on ubuntu. virtualbox is the commonly used solution there.
[04:37] <tomreyn> ddhk: it cn run from the bare disk, i.e. you don't even need to convert things.
[04:38] <arthur_> Thanks tomreyn. That actually did remove all the files :)
[04:39] <ddhk> I'm mostly worried about all my Microsoft Office docs
[04:42] <tomreyn> ddhk: libreoffice will open them fine, although there can be differences in presentation (and those will get saved if you do it). other than that the correct answerr to this is probably: you chose to have vendor lock in there long ago, and accepted the results. there are comptatible (but also more simple) formats such as RTF, Markdown, HTML. And Latex, of course. :)
[04:45] <agio> tomreyn: when you say installing a package like "xul-ext-ublock-origin" - it becomes available system wide? do you mean other program can use it? or other users on the system? I don't get how programs other than firefox could use a firefox addon/extension?
[04:46] <tomreyn> ddhk: https://www.lifewire.com/microsoft-office-on-linux-4137049 seems to provide a good overview of your options. plus you can always run windows + ms office in a vm
[04:46] <ddhk> sweet thanks tomreyn
[04:47] <tomreyn> agio: other users could then use it, too, but would have their own preferences stored for it.
[04:47] <hargoth> Looking for help with Ubuntu on an iMac. Had 17 installed, but now it boots to an underscore cursor in the top left, have tried botting with a Live CD and USB, same issue. I can get to the grub> prompt but not sure what to do after that to resurrect it.
[04:48] <tomreyn> agio: i did *not* mean that other applications / programs could thus use them (but theoretically, sure, they can, if they know what to do with it).
[04:49]  * tomreyn bedtime
[04:49] <agio> cool, thanks
[04:51] <starfire> hello
[04:54] <MJCD> Hey I have a 17.10 VM and it was working fine, set up node and npm and the likes last night
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> starfire: welcome, how can we help you?
[04:54] <MJCD> now today it just doesn't boot to gui
[04:55] <MJCD> just a flashing underscore on that tty
[04:55] <starfire> i use ubuntu flavours a lot and am just learning irc
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> MJCD: underscores mostly related to uefi settings
[04:55] <MJCD> lotuspsychje, not sure that's true...
[04:55] <MJCD> especially in a vm
[04:55] <MJCD> newly created
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> MJCD: didnt say it was your case
[04:55] <MJCD> fair
[04:56] <MJCD> oh
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> MJCD: is your system uefi?
[04:56] <MJCD> there's an error when I login to tty
[04:56] <MJCD> couldn't find my keyring
[04:56] <MJCD> lotuspsychje, I believe by default virtualbox runs uefi, yes
[04:57] <MJCD> its not generally something you will need to mess with by hand
[04:57] <MJCD> once again, because virtual machines
[04:57] <MJCD> as I say I did just get a message saying Could not find key with description: [...]
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> MJCD: and freezing there
[04:58] <MJCD> it doesnt freeze but the process of getting to a gui login stops there, yeah
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> MJCD: try recoverymode perhaps?
[04:58] <MJCD> lol this was working 100% fine last night
[04:58] <MJCD> its a flat vm
[04:59] <starfire> did lotuspsychje see my response?
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> starfire: yes mate, if you have an ubuntu question this is the right place to proceed and welcome to the ubuntu community
[05:01] <starfire> Thankyou.  I have used ubuntu, kubuntu for years.  Just started with ubuntu-mate on two machines and LXlE and lubuntu on virtualbox.  I'll be around.
[05:01] <MJCD> I dont think it would be a secureboot thing
[05:01] <MJCD> ohhh I lie
[05:02] <MJCD> I didnt just install node and stuff
[05:02] <MJCD> I installed all the proprietary stuff
[05:02] <MJCD> whats the command to reconfigure an installed package
[05:02] <MJCD> to its defaults
[05:02] <MJCD> dpkg something something
[05:05] <MJCD> oh my god
[05:05] <MJCD> this is all waylands fault
[05:05] <MJCD> I bet
[05:09] <Bashing-om> MJCD: ' sudo dpkg-reconfigure <package> ' .
[05:10] <MJCD> ah thanks
[05:10] <MJCD> what package might you suggest
[05:10] <MJCD> its xubuntu
[05:10] <MJCD> I tried giving it 128mb video mem and enabling 3d and 2d accel
[05:11] <MJCD> it appeared to try flashing the screen a few times
[05:14] <MJCD> wahh
[05:14] <MJCD> ill start phresh
[05:28] <mekhami> this is a little off topic but i don't know exactly where to ask. if my network connection speed is trash, then i turn on a VPN and suddenly I have great speeds, that is basically confirmation that my connection is being throttled by my ISP, right?
[05:30] <bugbunny> Probably
[05:31] <bugbunny> However, how are you determining it's 'trash'?
[05:31] <mekhami> multiple speedtests
[05:31] <mekhami> i pay for 25 down 5 up, i never get more than 4 down 0.5 up
[05:31] <mekhami> pings to google range from 150 to 2k
[05:31] <bugbunny> Which providers?
[05:31] <mekhami> with a vpn, i'm getting 20 down 4 up
[05:31] <mekhami> AT&T
[05:32] <bugbunny> Over DSL?
[05:32] <mekhami> i don't think so
[05:32] <mekhami> i think it's supposed to be fiver
[05:33] <bugbunny> Contact your ISp
[05:41] <ricardo> hey does anyone know a quick way to reset ubuntu mate to defaults(compiz)?
[05:43] <bugbunny> ricardo: You can try Bashing-om suggestion: 22:30 < Bashing-om> Sheilong: ' rm ~/.gconf ~/.gconfd ~/.metacity ~/.compiz-1 ~/.config/compiz-1 ~/.config/dconf ~/.dmrc -rf ' .
[05:53] <MJCD> hey when I install OneDrive from their .deb package will that run on reboot in watch mode or just run it once to sync on startup or what?
[05:53] <MJCD> also need to know the same for gdrive
[05:53] <MJCD> using ocml-fuse
[05:54] <MJCD> or perhaps if somebody knows a gui I can set such things up in
[05:54] <MJCD> or how to add it as a new startup service
[05:54] <MJCD> or login service
[05:54] <MJCD> per user
[06:25] <nshire> does ubuntu server have the same general folder layout as ubuntu desktop? I want to port over my desktop vm's server applications to a server vm.
[06:26] <EriC^^> nshire: more or less yes
[06:27] <EriC^^> !hier | nshire same
[06:43] <tim__> hey all
[06:44] <tim__> i wanne build a qt wallet for clubcoin but don't know how to do it
[07:17] <osukaru> hello
[07:18] <osukaru> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 16.04LTS into a Fujitsu Amilo.
[07:18] <osukaru> I handled to make a LibeUSB that works in it... mostly.
[07:20] <osukaru> because it goes directly to the test without install and if i clich on Install now, it shows me the window for about 5 sec. and then crashes.
[07:20] <osukaru> Theres a commnd line for this to be able to diagnose the problem? or any other posibilities to workarround that?
[07:35] <MJCD> hey my graphics have gone to look like this
[07:35] <MJCD> http://prntscr.com/izlf02
[07:35] <MJCD> how do I fix that
[07:35] <MJCD> also interested in causes as its a freshly made vm
[07:38] <MJCD> I will remake once more but I may need to go back to 16.xx
[07:40] <MJCD> wayland seems to cause a lot of problems
[07:40] <MJCD> not sure why
[07:42] <ikonia> it's still very early days with it
[07:44] <boobmeat> my name jeff
[07:44] <bugbunny> MJCD: Yeah, sounds like it would be better with Xorg, AFAIK, there isn't any VirtualBox Guest Drivers for wayland
[07:46] <TabMasher> my name is Cheibriados
[07:46] <MJCD> bugbunny, ahh that makes sense then
[07:46] <MJCD> is there an easy way to make the installer do that?
[07:48] <bugbunny> MJCD: Uh, no idea, what version of Ubuntu were you trying?
[07:49] <MJCD> 17.10
[07:49] <MJCD> my earlier ones used 16.xx
[07:53] <bugbunny> AFAIK, Wayland hasn't become the default, not idea if Ubuntu 17.10 Unity is using Mir or Xorg
[07:53]  * bugbunny has UbuntuBudgie
[07:57] <MJCD> so I should probably just install ubuntu too
[07:57] <MJCD> not xubuntu
[07:57] <TabMasher> XFCE is my favorite for sure.
[07:59] <MJCD> ehh I could take it or leave it
[08:00] <MJCD> I just generally didnt like unity etc
[08:01] <sima> Is it on Ubuntu 17.10, too that Software updater window can't get smaller, once it gets big, can't resize it down (while displaying list of updates?
[08:15] <Jonte_P> herro
[08:15] <Jonte_P> hello*
[08:15] <vexorr> heya
[08:16] <vexorr> how you
[08:16] <Jonte_P> fine,thanks u?
[08:16] <vexorr> I am tired and need to sleep
[08:16] <vexorr> it's 1 AM
[08:16] <Jonte_P> for me it is 10:16, i live in sweden
[08:16] <vexorr> ah
[08:16] <vexorr> good morning
[08:17] <Jonte_P> good morning
[08:20] <asyterirc59285> correct information
[08:24] <vexorr> well it's time for bed, goodnight
[08:31] <ducasse> bugbunny: 17.10 does not run unity by default, but gnome3. it also uses wayland by default if supported by your gpu.
[08:33] <bugbunny> ducasse: Okay
[08:44] <knightwise> been playing around with Zoryn , not too shabby
[08:58] <asyterirc61602> `FúõVuø
[08:59] <asyterirc61602> `¨XãzmDYG
[09:00] <asyterirc61602> `ÇüÍcÂå
[09:04] <pythonick> hello i did not create a swap partition... but i thought 32 gb of ram was enough :D but i need to add more space...can i do it now? or, should i re-install everything?
[09:06] <guiverc> need more space?  do you mean you want to create a swap partition?  you can use `gparted` to shrink a partition then create a swap partition without re-installing.    pythonick
[09:08] <guiverc> gparted can't shrink a partition in use; so you can reboot your system & use your ubuntu install media (using try-ubuntu), not load your partitions, then you can shrink them.  if you move your / or /boot partition (and use grub), you may need to repair your mbr (as it may point to old position), but this may not be required; and can be fixed too (without re-install)
[09:09] <ducasse> pythonick: you can set up a swapfile, you don't need a partition
[09:10] <pythonick> yeah i need swap now
[09:10] <pythonick> i get out of memory many times
[09:10] <pythonick> 32 gb are not enough
[09:11] <ducasse> then you need more memory, not swap, frankly
[09:13] <pythonick> uff
[09:13] <pythonick> i only have 4 ram slots
[09:13] <pythonick> 8*4
[09:13] <pythonick> grr
[09:13] <pythonick> i need a new set of ram 16*4
[09:15] <pythonick> too expensive
[09:15] <pythonick> i need swap
[09:15] <pythonick> ahahah :D
[09:15] <asyterirc62625> `0ABT0410QW0
[09:17] <align_waivers>  /msg NickServ identify whatever49
[09:24] <agio> does anyone know how to select multiple packages for install with aptitude graphical (TUI) program?
[09:24] <knightwise> apt install package one package two package three ?
[09:25] <agio> with the graphical i meant
[09:25] <agio> aptitude
[09:25] <asyterirc63229> `0ABJfuMQ
[09:26] <asyterirc63233> `0ABTQ0
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> asyterirc63233: can we help you?
[09:26] <asyterirc63229> `07VÞxCNeu0
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> agio: use synaptic?
[09:27] <agio> lotuspsychje: does synaptic have a TUI interface I can use in a terminal?
[09:39] <bugbunny> agio: I use synaptic here, and it has GUI and you can multi select
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> agio: perhaps --schedule-only could help you?
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> agio: For instance, aptitude --schedule-only install evolution will schedule the evolution package for later installation.
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> agio: source: https://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/rn01re01.html
[09:46] <agio> lotuspsychje: bugbunny thanks, the specific problem im trying to solve is to quickly and easily mark a few dozen packages which have security updates for upgrading - but not non-security (hence not `aptitude full-upgrade)
[09:47] <agio> Im sure I could achieve that in synaptic but I prefer learning terminal based solutions for those occasions when I don't hav a GUI - e.g. when my X server breaks
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> agio: why would you risk your system not to full upgrade exactly?
[09:52] <holicow> hi. whats the proper way to add 1920x1080 to ubuntu guest in vmware?
[09:52] <bugbunny> agio: I know some package managers have mechanisms to install _only_ packages marked security. Perhaps look into if APT supports this functionality
[09:53] <holicow> no instructions google gives me seem to work
[09:53] <agio> lotuspsychje: by full-upgrade I mean equivalent of `apt-get dist-upgrade' (not the release upgrade)  most programs I dont care about doing upgrades on but there are a handful of bigger more complicated packages, e.g. firefox, maria db, applications I've interfered with in ways that may not be compatible with dpkg - that I prefer to micro-manage more when I do their upgrade
[09:55] <agio> bugbunny: yeah from memory there is a command line  command (which works well) here:
[09:55] <agio> https://askubuntu.com/a/412/388102
[09:58] <agio> holicow: great question - I would love to know the answer to that too. I think there is some kind of bundle like "guest additions" which you need to mount/load from inside the VM - but I couldn't get it to work when I tried
[09:59] <holicow> agio, i installed both (the one coming with the latest vmware and open-vm-tools) - none seem to help
[10:00] <agio> I guess it some how bolts on the functionality to allow the VM to tell its software - it has a larger res monitor
[10:01] <holicow> xrandr --newmode "1920x1080"  173.00  1920 2048 2248 2576  1080 1083 1088 1120 -hsync +vsync
[10:01] <holicow> xrandr --addmode Virtual1 1920x1080
[10:01] <holicow> xrandr --output Virtual1 --mode 1920x1080
[10:01] <holicow> tried this as well - helps only till restart
[10:02] <agio> holicow: do you run that inside the VM or on the host machine?
[10:02] <holicow> inside vm
[10:03] <agio> holicow: all I can tell you is I gave up on that problem - and just used a live CD \_(:/)_/
[10:03] <bugbunny> Correct me if I am wrong, when the Guest Additions are installed and runnning properly, the image should just stretch when you resize the Window.. Coule be mistaken here, it's been awhile since I last installed Linux in VMWare/VirtualBox
[10:06] <holicow> agio, ok, thanks
[10:07] <holicow> bugbunny, sometimes it does, sometimes not
[10:07] <bugbunny> hmm
[10:08] <holicow> i use macs as hosts
[10:08] <holicow> windows stretches fine
[10:08] <holicow> ubuntu does not
[10:08] <holicow> well, lets be more clear here
[10:09] <holicow> by stretch we mean resize here
[10:25] <Mahaluz> Hello everyone. Is there a way to disable window shadows in Bionic?
[10:25] <Mahaluz> I'd love to disable the whole compositor.
[10:32] <brainwash> Mahaluz: head over to #ubuntu+1
[10:38] <_UsUrPeR_> Hey all. I'm trying to create a bootable USB drive for an Intel Mac Pro
[10:39] <_UsUrPeR_> I'm running 16.04 on the machine, and I have screwed it up really good
[10:39] <_UsUrPeR_> When I originally installed ubuntu on it, I started with 12.04, and have just upgraded. The 12.04 LTS release had a Mac image I'd burned for it
[10:39] <_UsUrPeR_> sadly, I can't find a mac image for 16.04
[10:40] <_UsUrPeR_> Is anybody familiar with this?
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> !download | _UsUrPeR_
[10:43] <_UsUrPeR_> lotuspsychje, Yeah, thanks. I definitely know where to download ubuntu. If you know where I can find a mac-specific .iso image, that would be more helpful.
[10:43] <_UsUrPeR_> lotuspsychje, Mac uses EFI for booting, so will not "just work" with a normal bootable .iso DVD image
[10:45] <holicow> _UsUrPeR_ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/16.04/ here is a mini.iso of 65mb - I use it on Macs
[10:46] <_UsUrPeR_> holicow, awesome! Any significant burning instructions for putting it on a CD or USB drive?
[10:47] <holicow> _UsUrPeR_, sorry, seems we are talking about different things. You need to install it as 'bootcamp'
[10:48] <holicow> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Intel_iMac - have you walked through this already?
[10:48] <neildugan> I am having trouble configuring postfix to forward email sent to root to my email address. can anyone help?   what info is needed?
[10:48] <holicow> http://www.noah.org/wiki/Ubuntu_install_on_Apple_Mac_Intel_hardware
[10:51] <_UsUrPeR_> holicow, I had not, no. Thanks for pointing me to that. One final question before I start reading: do you know if the Intel Mac Pro line from 2010 requires a 32-bit EFI bootable image?
[10:52] <holicow> _UsUrPeR_, sorry, won't help you there. I have a Mac Pro 3,1 but run Mac OS High Sierra on it.
[10:53] <_UsUrPeR_> Okay, thanks for your help!
[10:53] <holicow> By the way, you can use the latest NVidia Pascal 1030 and above graphics cards with NVidia webdrivers. Your Mac OS will run best ever on this old device
[10:54] <neildugan> I am having trouble configuring postfix to forward email sent to root to my email address.  I am getting an email that says "550-Verification failed for <root@localhost>"    . can anyone help?   what info is needed?
[10:58] <agio> neildugan: usually that would come the recipient MTA - because firstly root@anywhere is generally recognised to be a  bad email address and also generally name@domain is not a fully qualified name - it can never pass email authentication
[11:04] <agio> neildugan: usually you would make an entry in either `/etc/aliases' like
[11:04] <agio> postmaster:    root
[11:04] <agio> root<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:05] <agio> which tells postfix to re-address any mail addressed to root within the local system to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:05] <agio> I think you may need to run command like `sudo newaliases' afterwards too.
[11:08] <agio> another way is to put the target email address into /root/.forward  and postfix might look there for the re-address. problem is the different MTA's postfix, exim etc have different config behaviours - Im not specifically familiar with exim
[11:08] <agio> sorry I mean Im not familiar with postfix
[11:26] <Phr33d0m> hi, I'm trying to boot today's daily ISO build of 18.04 on a virtualbox VM and it crashes on loading the kernel, the only thing that is printed is something related to Spectre mitigation https://i.imgur.com/8A3MzXT.png - any idea?
[11:29] <brainwash> Phr33d0m: I would ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[11:30] <brainwash> Phr33d0m: also, maybe test with an older ISO build
[11:49] <realies> so, is there a way to have a persistent bootable USB ubuntu that loads itself into RAM on boot?
[11:49] <realies> and reflects changes that are made during boot time back to the USB
[11:50] <cfhowlett> !persistence | realies
[11:50] <realies> cfhowlett, what about the ram part?
[11:50] <JimBuntu> realies, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootToRAM
[11:50] <cfhowlett> boot from usb goes to ram
[11:51] <realies> and does it go back to usb when u change something?
[11:51] <JimBuntu> realies, I think you need to mix-n-match these two URLs instructions.
[11:51] <cfhowlett> this ^^^
[11:52] <JimBuntu> realies, I know there is a distro that boots up and puts itself into RAM, then you can pull the boot media/etc, I can't remember it's name at the moment.
[11:52] <realies> JimBuntu, let me know if you do, ill have a look too
[11:54] <JimBuntu> realies, "Puppy Linux" is one of them. You can use Woof to build a "Puppy" variant of other distros. I think you will still need to manually configure the persistent portion... which could be a little tricky if you intend to remove the boot media.
[11:55] <realies> lol at those names
[11:56] <realies> https://calvin.me/create-persistent-ubuntu-16-04-live-usb-even-boots-ram/
[11:56] <realies> what about this
[12:00] <Northsea> test
[12:00] <JimBuntu> realies, That seems to be basically a combo of the other sets of instructinos, should work fine. Note the comment about persistence having been removed from 16.04 disk creator
[12:00] <JimBuntu> Northsea, test confirmed
[12:00] <realies> oh
[12:11] <Jakethepython> Hello room i am running 16.04 server and when i plug my server into the network it crashes my network
[12:11] <cfhowlett> !server | Jakethepython in case no answer here ...
[12:12] <Jakethepython> ok
[12:12] <TJ-> Jakethepython: you mean just connecting the Ethernet cable causes the problem? That suggests there's a fault in the cable or in the PC's NIC letting stray voltages in
[12:12] <JimBuntu> Jakethepython, I doubt I will be the one to help with this, but if you could better describe how it "crashed" your network, and perhaps include a few pastebins such as /etc/network/interfaces, that might help
[12:14] <Jakethepython> (it could be cable or NIC card) but basically if i plug in the server all other nodes on the network can't ping internal or external to the nextwork or the ping time is like 4000 mS for internal 10000 external
[12:15] <TJ-> Jakethepython: if it's a case of the LAN losing Internnet connectivity *and* it uses IPv6, there's a possibility your PC is doing IPv6 NDP (Neighbour Discovery Protocol). That's known to cause problems when other routers are on the network and responsible for routing.
[12:23] <neildugan> I am having trouble configuring postfix to forward email sent to root to my email address.  according the /var/log/mail.log I think the email is being sent to <root@localhost> not my email address . can anyone help?   what info is needed?
[12:31] <BillD73> sounds like #postfix
[12:31] <BillD73> but
[12:31] <BillD73> you need to set an alias and restart postifx
[12:38] <oochen> spaceemacs
[12:39] <jsync> vimeo "MetaScarface".
[12:42] <jsync> To look at Tribal Mayans really is like to look at the spoon that the kid could not bend, not actually. (That's why.)
[12:45] <darcylee> hello
[12:47] <ubuntunoob> can anyone help me figure out how to move the activites search bar permanently to the taskbar?
[12:48] <leftyfb> ubuntunoob: what version of ubuntu?
[12:49] <ubuntunoob> 17.10
[12:55] <ubuntunoob> so any ideas left?
[13:07] <R13ose> When I am in a text field, + signs type forever without me doing anything and I can stop this by holding down shift.  How do I stop this?
[13:10] <JimBuntu> R13ose, clean your keyboard?
[13:11] <JimBuntu> You will probably need to add some context to your question... as in, is this happening in the browser... does it happen in a terminal... does it happen with any other keyboard plugged in (without this one plugged in)... have you installed anything additional related to the keyboard... et cetera
[13:16] <R13ose> JimBuntu: happens in everywhere I can type text.  I don't have another keyboard to try.  Nothing I installed that I know of related to keyboard
[13:18] <JimBuntu> R13ose, Then I would start by cleaning the keyboard, under the "+/=" key. If this is an external keyboard, you could also try it on another computer... if you have one.
[13:18] <JimBuntu> Does that key feel any different when you press down on it?
[13:19] <EriC^^> R13ose: it sounds like the keyboard has a shortcircuit somewhere
[13:19] <EriC^^> R13ose: "xev" in the terminal might show more info
[13:19] <EriC^^> R13ose: is it a laptop keyboard?
[13:19] <R13ose> EriC^^: yes laptop
[13:19]  * JimBuntu is running XChat on a laptop without a keyboard right now... because the KB went bad, similarly to this.
[13:20] <R13ose> JimBuntu: no difference in feel
[13:20] <EriC^^> R13ose: when you clean it be very careful to let it dry overnight or so, my laptop keyboard got ruined by some alcohol waiting like 30mins to dry or so
[13:21] <JimBuntu> R13ose, Do you have 2 sets of the "+" key... in with "=" and one in the num pad?
[13:21] <R13ose> JimBuntu: yes
[13:21] <JimBuntu> R13ose, I would imagine it's the num pad key that is the culprit, if it isn't simply a short in the wiring somewhere.
[13:25] <R13ose> EriC^^: no xev command
[13:25] <EriC^^> R13ose: sudo apt-get install X11utils
[13:25] <EriC^^> *x11-utils
[13:33] <jvwjgames> hey i am trying to nforward ports on a vm ip of <IP_ADDRESS> and a public ip of <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:33] <R13ose> EriC^^: I tried xev in terminal and says unable to display ' '
[13:33] <jvwjgames> i hgave forwarded on vm and host using iptables
[13:34] <EriC^^> R13ose: are you using a desktop environment?
[13:35] <EriC^^> R13ose: are you using Xorg?
[13:35] <R13ose> EriC^^: yes, KDE and yes xorg
[13:36] <EriC^^> R13ose: try ps -C Xorg
[13:36] <EriC^^> i feel like you're not using Xorg, especially that x11-utils wasn't installed already
[13:37] <R13ose> EriC^^: it was just needed to go to command line
[13:38] <neildugan> I set up /etc/aliases with a line "root<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but after running "newaliases && service postfix reload" the an email to root is not being sent the the alias email address ?
[13:48] <neildugan> I have also setup a /root/.forward file with "neil" as the first (and only line) but the emails are still being sent to "root@<fqdn>"
[13:51] <tomreyn> neildugan: so you seem to be using postfix, have you asked in #postfix and provided your configuration?
[13:55] <BillD73> neildugan:  https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=203577
[13:55] <matyd> i've set up ufw (16.04) via console and it's working pretty well, issue is when I'm logging into my schools website to sign up for courses online i have to disable it, how do i find the port? i'm looking at netstat -l but i'm not finding it..
[13:55] <R13ose> EriC^^: any other thoughts?
[14:00] <EriC^^> R13ose: nope
[14:05] <skinux> Where can I find official system notification sounds?
[14:05] <skinux> I mena, like various ding, dong, bing, type noises
[14:11] <Mavrik> Hi guys... is there a support channel for people trying to create their Snap packages? :)
[14:16] <BillD73> Mavrik: #snappy ?
[14:17] <Mavrik> That looks like the thing yeah, was trying #snap and #snapcraft. Thanks :)
[14:17] <BillD73> yw
[14:20] <R13ose> I have two kernels 4.13.0-36.40 and 4.13.0-37.42.  Yet, when I try to remove the first kernel this only wants to remove the second one, how do I fix this?
[14:21] <tomreyn> R13ose: how do you try to remove it? which one are you currently running?
[14:21] <CookieM> skinux, I have those in System Preferences – Sound – Sound Effects
[14:22] <R13ose> tomreyn: I have a third kernel running but want to keep the newest one of two I showed you too.  I am using the command Sudo apt-get autoremove --purge linux-generic
[14:23] <TheWild> hello
[14:24] <kostkon> TheWild, hi
[14:24] <TheWild> does the GUI package manager (Ubuntu Software) ever work? For me it's always stuck at this rotating something.
[14:24] <BillD73> TheWild: i get the same thing  some times it takes a couple minutes before it loads completely
[14:25] <tomreyn> R13ose: linux-generic is a meta package whiuch depends on the latest available (official) ubuntu kernel. you should probably purge the more specifically named kernel package instead. i don't think "autoremove" takes a package argument (try: sudo apt-get purge PACKAGENAME)
[14:25] <tomreyn> R13ose: use this to find out installed ubuntu kernel packages: dpkg -l linux-image\*
[14:26] <kostkon> TheWild, same here. haven't bothered to look for a solution other than rebooting
[14:26] <tomreyn> R13ose: for example, you mway want to remove/purge "linux-image-4.13.0-36-generic"
[14:26] <kostkon> TheWild, it doesn't happen often though
[14:27] <TheWild> well, I'm not alone :/
[14:27] <TheWild> I'll better use apt then
[14:27] <tomreyn> TheWild: there is synaptic
[14:28] <CookieM> TheWild, that’s why they moved to GNOME software center since 16.04. Much more stable. Normally I use synaptic to install software.
[14:28] <tomreyn> but the terminal is probably your best option (as almost always ;-) ).
[14:28] <R13ose> tomreyn: I tried that and this worked but I get this error as well.  gzip: Strout: No space left on device
[14:29] <tomreyn> R13ose: so your file system ran full
[14:29] <tomreyn> run: df -h
[14:29] <skinux> Does Ubuntn not come with any sounds?
[14:29] <kostkon> CookieM, Ubuntu software is just rebadged gnome software afaik
[14:30] <R13ose> tomreyn: /boot says 96% use
[14:30] <tomreyn> skinux: have a look in /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/
[14:30] <kostkon> CookieM, Ubuntu software centre of old is dead and buried
[14:31] <tomreyn> R13ose: can you show the entire iinpout (the command you ran) and output of the command which created the "gzip: Strout: No space left on device" error?
[14:31] <tomreyn> *input
[14:31] <tomreyn> !paste | R13ose
[14:32] <skinux> tomreyn: Well, that's interesting..no sounds in there at all
[14:32] <merpnderp> I'm running into a weird issue with ubuntu 16.04 and nginx. nginx -t says my conf files are correct, but it isn't listening in on 443. 80 responds normally, but 443 is instantly refused. I ran a process listening on 443 and it works, so it isn't a network issue. I'm copying a conf file from a 17.04 install, but I can't imagine what would be set up differently.
[14:33] <tomreyn> skinux: those seem to be part of "ubuntu-touch-sounds", maybe this package is not installed by default.
[14:35] <tomreyn> merpnderp: does netstat or ss show it as listening?
[14:35] <merpnderp> tomreyn: no, netstat says nginx is not listening to 443, only 80
[14:35] <tomreyn> merpnderp: what about "sudo lsof -i :443"
[14:36] <merpnderp> tomreyn: it's almost like the include /etc/nginx/conf.d/*.conf; is being ignored.
[14:36] <merpnderp> tomreyn: lsof -f :443 returned nothing
[14:36] <merpnderp> suod
[14:36] <merpnderp> sudo :D
[14:37] <merpnderp> tomreyn: nothing in the error logs. If there was a conf error nginx wouldn't even be running.
[14:37] <tomreyn> merpnderp: so nginx does indeed not bind to this port. next step: find out why.
[14:37] <merpnderp> tomreyn: for some reason the default nginx logs in 16.04 aren't very verbose.
[14:37] <tomreyn> you could strace the nginx process to see which files it accesses (and which it does not).
[14:37] <merpnderp> tomreyn: good point
[14:38] <tomreyn> merpnderp: do you have a line "include /etc/nginx/conf.d/*.conf;" in /etc/nginx/nginx.conf ?
[14:38] <tomreyn> (inside the http { ... } block)
[14:39] <merpnderp> tomreyn: yes
[14:40] <tomreyn> okay, so unless file system ACLs prohibit it, nginx should then read those configuration file snippets form there
[14:40] <tomreyn> how do you make it bind to port 443?
[14:41] <tomreyn> i mean: what's the configuration you have made to make it bind (ignoring the fact that it doesn't work for a second)
[14:42] <merpnderp> tomreyn: j/s
[14:43] <R13ose> I am running sudo apt-get upgrade but pastebinit is not doing anything
[14:43] <R13ose> tomreyn: ^
[14:43] <tomreyn> merpnderp: by default, you'd set this in /etc/nginx/sites-available/default
[14:44] <merpnderp> tomreyn: okay things must have changed since I last used nginx
[14:44] <tomreyn> merpnderp: ... or in the respective virtualhosts
[14:44] <merpnderp> Because I stuck my mydomain.conf in /conf.d
[14:44] <merpnderp> tomreyn: her'es my conf file.
[14:44] <merpnderp> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/XX3zMu8N/
[14:44] <BillD73> R13ose: <comand> | pastebinit
[14:45] <BillD73> give ita  sec or 2 depending on your connection/pc for it to return a url
[14:45] <tomreyn> R13ose: what Bill says. if it still doesn't work, please show the command you ran.
[14:45] <merpnderp> and i have a process listening in on 3000, but I'm not testing by hitting the /api/ location.
[14:46] <merpnderp> tomreyn: should I have that conf file in the sites-available?
[14:47] <R13ose> tomreyn: using command sudo apt-get upgrade | pastebinit and still nothing is showing up.
[14:48] <BillD73> R13ose: that will not complete
[14:48] <R13ose> BillD73: what will?
[14:48] <BillD73> what will happen is if it requires interaction it will stall
[14:48] <BillD73> CTRL + C
[14:49] <R13ose> Done
[14:49] <BillD73> R13ose:  jsut run the sudo apt-get update && upgrade   wait for it to complete
[14:50] <BillD73> it may prompt for "additional packages"   select y
[14:50] <BillD73> alternatively if you want to pastebinit that   it would be sudo apt-get update && upgrade -y
[14:51] <tomreyn> merpnderp: i have these statements in  /etc/nginx/nginx.conf on 16.04:  include /etc/nginx/conf.d/*.conf;   include /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/*;
[14:51] <memo1> Hi, im creating a service (systemd), than connects to a network camera on boot. It failed because cant find the camera, i think is because the service load to quickly.   My conf file is called mydomain.com instead of mydomain.conf
[14:51] <tomreyn> merpnderp: so unless later configurations overwrite earlier ones and you have the same server_name + listen stateent in different places i don't see why it should not work
[14:51] <tomreyn> oh well that wont match obviously
[14:52] <skinux> Is there a backup software that will allow me to create a compressed image of the system, including applicaiton data and settings?
[14:52] <merpnderp> tomreyn: and works like a charm
[14:52] <neildugan> why when I have an alias setup in /etc/aliases and have run newaliases does postfix not send the email to the alias?   I have been trying for hours to get this to happen
[14:52] <skinux> Not only do I need something compressed, I need to be able to split the backup across multiple DVDs
[14:52] <tomreyn> merpnderp: i think splitting up generic configurations and 'virtualhosts' ("servers") into conf.d and sites-available/-enabled has been a default in ubuntu since 16.04
[14:52] <yeats> neildugan: anything in the postfix logs?
[14:52] <ppf> skinux: tar?
[14:53] <R13ose> BillD73: these crazy + signs are typing in automatically again.  They happen everywhere I can type text.
[14:53] <neildugan> yeats, I have been looking in /var/log/mail.log any others?
[14:53] <BillD73> thats fine
[14:53] <BillD73> oh  uh sorry
[14:53] <yeats> neildugan: depending on your ubuntu version, you might also check for postfix messages in syslog or journalctl
[14:53] <merpnderp> tomreyn: thank you very very very much. My upstream server is working and everything is groovilicious :D
[14:53] <BillD73> R13ose: do you have a different system you can ssh in with?
[14:54] <R13ose> BillD73: not sure
[14:54] <BillD73> I use and android pone/tablet with JuiceSSH
[14:54] <BillD73> older version of windows(pre 8) you can use putty
[14:54] <tomreyn> *pHone
[14:55] <skinux> ppf: You mean just archive it all myself?
[14:55] <BillD73> thx tomreyn lol
[14:55] <tomreyn> :)
[14:55] <tomreyn> merpnderp: welcome
[14:55] <neildugan> yeats, in syslog they seem to be the same as those in mail.log
[14:55] <yeats> neildugan: ok
[14:55] <tomreyn> R13ose: sorry for not responding earlier. i think BillD73 is doing an excellent job.
[14:55] <merpnderp> tomreyn: I'm putting together my own server/frontend knockoff of Facebook as a portofolio piece to try to land a 100% remove front end job. Not off to an ostentatious start :)
[14:56] <merpnderp> s/remove/remote/
[14:56] <yeats> neildugan: if you've been at this for hours, you've probably seen these, but thought they might be useful: https://www.howtoforge.com/community/threads/etc-postfix-aliases-still-not-working-please-help.36353/ and https://askubuntu.com/questions/320348/postfix-alias-setting-seemingly-ignored
[14:56] <neildugan> yeats, when I send an email to 'root' it is not using the alias but sending it to the fqdn
[14:57] <BillD73> neildugan: I posted this one earlier as well https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=203577
[14:57] <tomreyn> merpnderp: good luck
[14:57] <merpnderp> tomreyn: thanks. and thanks again for the help. Such a numbskulled typo mistake.
[14:58] <yeats> neildugan: the first link I shared has a response that might help
[14:59] <R13ose> BillD73: I am not sure where you are going with this
[14:59] <tomreyn> merpnderp: welcome. as i'm sure you're aware it's important to be careful when applying (porting?) configurations to a (different) system based on those found in tutorials.
[15:02] <ppf>  skinux: yeah
[15:02] <ras> 59.0.2+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> crash on load in Ubuntu Mate Raspberry how downgrade for last version?
[15:03] <R13ose> I am stuck
[15:03] <yeats> R13ose: the last think BillD73 asked about being to SSH in from another system was to be able to get the output you're trying to get without the keyboard/input issue you're reporting
[15:04] <yeats> R13ose: and having read the scrollback, that is almost certainly an issue with your physical keyboard and not Ubuntu
[15:04] <adrian_1908> merpnderp: as tom mentioned, nginx uses certain default paths and it's usually best to keep in line with those defaults. i.e. /etc/nginx/nginx.conf for global configuration, /etc/nginx/{sites-available,sites-enabled} for virtual hosts.
[15:04] <R13ose> yeats: how do I fix the keyboard issue?
[15:04] <merpnderp> tomreyn: yeah, this wasn't found on a tutorial but from one of my configs I used a long long time ago.
[15:05] <merpnderp> adrian_1908: When did that chagne from /etc/nginx/conf.d?
[15:05] <merpnderp> And what's the difference between sites-available and sites-enabled?
[15:05] <tomreyn> ras: the package information / veriosn output you posted seems to be incomplete. which package / version is it exactly? which ubuntu release is it (lsb_release -ds)?
[15:05] <yeats> R13ose: suggestions earlier were to try cleaning it - I suggest cotton swabs and rubbing alcohol after popping off the affected key(s)
[15:05] <BillD73> sorry I am back had to tend to our new batch of baby chicks.
[15:06] <ppf> R13ose: have you tried a different keyboar
[15:06] <ppf> d
[15:06] <merpnderp> Just moved my conf to sites-enabled :D
[15:06] <BillD73> R13ose: do you have another system running linux,  Pre Windows 8  for putty or an Android phone/tablet to use JuiceSSH so you can bypass your physical keyboard issue
[15:06] <adrian_1908> merpnderp: not sure when it changed, but i learned it that way from the get go. sites-available/ contains configurations on offer, sites-enabled/ contains active "sites" being served
[15:07] <adrian_1908> merpnderp: sites-enabled are just symlinks to sites-available, that's the idea.
[15:07] <merpnderp> adrian_1908: Configurations on offer is a but confusing to me.
[15:07] <merpnderp> oh
[15:07] <tomreyn> R13ose: if it's a mechanical keyboard (where oyu actually push down buttons) start by holding it over the top and shaking it thoroughly while changing the angle in all directions by up to 45°
[15:07] <ras> @tomreyn is all last version, i make apt upgrade and update after this firefox works, before upgrade, firefox crash
[15:07] <merpnderp> adrian_1908: that makes perfect sense. I'll move my conf to sites-available and link it
[15:07] <adrian_1908> merpnderp: so you can easily deactivate a site, i.e. remove the symlink and reload the nginx service.
[15:08] <R13ose> ppf: laptop so nope
[15:08] <adrian_1908> I think Apache does something similar with symlinks.
[15:08] <ppf> laptops have usb
[15:08] <merpnderp> adrian_1908: changed my setup to that and makes a lot more sense. Thanks :)
[15:08]  * yeats looks forward to nginx adding the equivalent of 'a2dissite'
[15:08] <adrian_1908> np :)
[15:09] <merpnderp> I always get ln -s backwards on my first try....every single time :P
[15:09] <ppf> can anyone explain keyboard(5) to me?
[15:09] <R13ose> BillD73: my phone runs Android 4.4.4
[15:09] <ppf> i don't understand the syntax, nor the manpage
[15:09] <yeats> R13ose: JuiceSSH
[15:09] <BillD73> R13ose: good   install JuiceSSH from the Gplay
[15:09] <ppf> and/or whatever i try setting there is installed
[15:10] <ppf> is ignored*
[15:11] <adrian_1908> merpnderp: btw, make sure yours symlinks in sites-enabled are absolute paths to `/etc/nginx/sites-available`, I think I got that wrong when I first tried.
[15:11] <R13ose> tomreyn: okay
[15:11] <tomreyn> R13ose: is the + character issue a recurring one? have you had it in earlier sessions (before the latest reboot)?
[15:11] <neildugan> The first link is doing something with virtual addresses, which I haven't setup .... the other says configure /etc/aliases and run "newaliases" this I have done multiple times ... the main.cf file seems to be pointing at the correct files too.
[15:11] <neildugan> yeats, see ^
[15:11] <merpnderp> adrian_1908: oh, I didn't do the full path, but it works. But I'll rm the link and make sure it is absolute
[15:11] <R13ose> tomreyn: yes
[15:12] <R13ose> BillD73: done
[15:12] <BillD73> R13ose: now open Juice on your phone click connection and the "+" to add a new conenction   make sure your phone is conencted to your wifi
[15:12] <tomreyn> R13ose: the workaround you're going through with BillD73 will help you to be able to type commands properly, but only through this remote control then. you will still need to get (local) help from someone to fix your keyboard issue.
[15:12] <merpnderp> adrian_1908: cool, if you do ln -s /foo/bar/file.conf
[15:13] <merpnderp> it created the link as file.conf
[15:13] <merpnderp> Now I never need to remember the ln -r source target order again
[15:13] <yeats> neildugan: could you share a pastebin link with main.cf and aliases (cleaned of anything sensitive)?
[15:13] <adrian_1908> merpnderp: didn't know that either, neat.
[15:13] <ppf> here's my config https://ghostbin.com/paste/67na7
[15:14] <yeats> neildugan: I'll compare yours to a working server with aliases that I have access to
[15:14] <BillD73> R13ose: this is all simply to get your update and upgrade finished so you can reboot and check if it still performs the same way, it never hurts to have secondary access to a linux system
[15:14] <R13ose> BillD73: done
[15:14] <BillD73> connect with your phone supply your password  you'll have to accept the key
[15:15] <R13ose> tomreyn: thanks but I think I need a new laptop or tablet
[15:15] <BillD73> R13ose: lol   this old asus Eee PC is like 10 years old
[15:16] <R13ose> BillD73: what do I type in the new connection are?
[15:16] <R13ose> area*
[15:16] <R13ose> BillD73: mine is physically broken
[15:16] <BillD73> you will need the laptops LAN IP, username and pasword
[15:16] <yeats> BillD73: R13ose: you may also need to install openssh-server, FYI
[15:17] <yeats> that's not installed by default, iirc
[15:17] <BillD73> yeats: lets hope its already there  the current keyboard issue would prevent it
[15:18] <yuta> hello
[15:18] <yuta> i cannot do apt-get update, im using  17.04
[15:18] <yuta> N: Los datos de un repositorio como este no se pueden autenticar y por tanto su uso es potencialmente peligroso. N: Vea la página de manual apt-secure(8) para los detalles sobre la creación de repositorios y la configuración de usuarios. E: Fallo al obtener http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/zesty/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80] E: Fallo al obtener http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/zesty-updat
[15:18] <BillD73> !es | yuta
[15:19] <yuta> what is wrong?
[15:19] <yuta> im talking english...
[15:19] <TJ-> !eol | yuta
[15:19] <TJ-> !1704
[15:19] <TJ-> !zesty
[15:19] <kostkon> yuta, english or not you need to upgrade to a supported release
[15:20] <yeats> yuta: you'll need to try an EOL upgrade
[15:20] <memo1> Hi, im creating a service (systemd), than connects to a network camera on boot. It failed because cant find the camera, i think is because the service load to quickly.  How i wait until the network interface is ON.
[15:20] <yuta> thanks, im reading that
[15:20] <sammyg> is there no built in way of setting the scroll speed in ubuntu 17.10?
[15:20] <tomreyn> yuta: to make your system print command output in english, use this command: export LANG=C
[15:21] <skinux> Where would I go to set rlimit for nginx or whatever on Ubunty?
[15:21] <R13ose> BillD73 yeats thanks this worked.
[15:21] <yuta> so i have to change sources.list to new release sources and apt-get update then?
[15:21] <yuta> thats all?
[15:21] <R13ose> I am still getting no space error and not sure how to fix that
[15:21] <BillD73> R13ose: great
[15:22] <R13ose> ^
[15:22] <BillD73> memo1: https://askubuntu.com/questions/647167/how-can-i-make-my-systemd-service-wait-for-a-network-interface
[15:22] <yeats> memo1: play with Before and After directives in the systemd service file
[15:23] <BillD73> R13ose: now that you have a workaround to keyboard you can perform the commands
[15:23] <yeats> or Wants :-)
[15:23] <memo1> BillD73: yeats Wants=network-online.target
[15:23] <sammyg> i just want my scroll wheel to scroll more than, how do set this?
[15:23] <BillD73> R13ose: sudo apt-get autoremove && autoclean
[15:24] <skinux> Or...why am I getting rlimit errors?
[15:24] <ppf> memo1: try Requires=
[15:24] <skinux> It's in nginx error log, but I don't know what it means.
[15:24] <skinux> It seems to not be related to nginx specifically
[15:24] <ppf> memo1: and also After=
[15:25] <ppf> without After= there's no temporal ordering between the two
[15:26] <memo1> ppf: son Want Wants=network-online.target and After=Wants=network-online.target
[15:26] <memo1> ppf: than way?
[15:26] <memo1> ppf: that way?
[15:27] <BillD73> R13ose: Juice "tip" tapping the terminal provides a popup for hard to find keys such as tab/ctrl etc...
[15:27] <ppf> memo1: yup
[15:27] <memo1> ppf: thank you
[15:28] <ppf> memo1: but with proper syntax
[15:28] <neildugan> yeats, see https://pastebin.com/GXi5J9h4  --- I just tried to send directly to the alias and it failed --- it said the <from> address was invalid, wtf!  why do anything with that.
[15:28] <vrboi123> hey!, I've just installed amd-pro drivers for my Vega56, and don't have unity, tried googling, nothing works, anyone has solutions?
[15:28] <R13ose> BillD73: thanks.  Says resource temporarily unavailable
[15:29] <herbeto> in network manager, while creating a hotspot via your laptop ,there is an option called 'shared with other computers' what does it mean?
[15:29] <ppf> vrboi123: 'don't have unity'?
[15:29] <herbeto> I understand the automatic, maual settings
[15:29] <vrboi123> ppf: the taskbar disappears
[15:29] <herbeto> I just want to change the DNS server the hotspot assigns to devices connecting to it
[15:30] <BillD73> R13ose: ok lets try this sudo apt-get autoremove    instead of compunding commands
[15:30] <ppf> vrboi123: so you can log in and the session starts, but the desktop is incomplete?
[15:30] <R13ose> BillD73: same
[15:30] <memo1> ppf: https://pasteboard.co/HeLFp86.png
[15:30] <yeats> neildugan: seen this?: https://serverfault.com/questions/627417/postfix-sender-verification-550#627453
[15:30] <memo1> ppf: can you check please
[15:30] <BillD73> R13ose: ok lets dos ometing simpler sudo reboot now and come back to us when you can
[15:31] <ppf> vrboi123: check the xorg/xsession/dm error logs
[15:31] <ppf> memo1: looks correct
[15:32] <BillD73> i really need to learn to separate my commands so their easy to locate lol
[15:32] <vrboi123> ppf: yes, when i login the "gui" isnt there but i see the desktop and can open a terminal from there
[15:32] <R13ose> BillD73: okay
[15:32] <vrboi123> ppf: ill check the logs
[15:32] <vrboi123> oh wait, its multiple logs not a command lol
[15:33] <R13ose> BillD73: I will try again but I feel they will come up with same error
[15:33] <tomreyn> skinux: are you running this in a container? maybe its capabilities / limits are reduced. see these man pages: capabilities(7), http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man2/getrlimit.2.html and the output of these commands: ulimit -a; for pid in $(pidof nginx); do echo "PID: $pid"; cat /proc/$pid/limits; echo; done
[15:33] <BillD73> R13ose: jsut thought of someting, you may have a lock file for a previous attempt so hopefully a reboot will clear it
[15:35] <BillD73> R13ose: out of curiosity does the "+" key have movement or is it physically stuck?
[15:35] <yeats> neildugan: https://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=mx%3awholesaleroofingsuppies.com&run=toolpage - (mxtoolbox is very helpful for this kind of thing)
[15:35] <R13ose> BillD73: both have movement
[15:36] <R13ose> BillD73: what command do I try now?
[15:36] <neildugan> yeats, but when I set the fqdn to the same as the <from> i.e. "aurous.net" the emails never get sent out.
[15:36] <BillD73> R13ose: ok lets work on getting you some freespace
[15:36] <yuta>  gzip: stdout: No space left on device
[15:36] <R13ose> Yep
[15:36] <yuta> looks like the boot partition has not more space left
[15:36] <BillD73> R13ose: have you tried the keyboard upon reboot  still listing ++++++?
[15:36] <yuta> what can i do to resize without fucking up the filesystem?
[15:37] <yeats> neildugan: sounds like multiple issues - the MX issue needs to be fixed, which may resolve the others
[15:37] <R13ose> BillD73: I think so but not 100% yet
[15:37] <memo1> ppf: thanks bro!.
[15:37] <yeats> neildugan: do you have access to DNS setup for that domain?
[15:38] <R13ose> BillD73: still +++++
[15:39] <memo1> friends, i need to check when a folder/disk is near the 80% of total capacity and erase old data.  Any ideas?
[15:39] <BillD73> R13ose: ok just close everything and use Juice from your phone  we still want to run      sudo apt-get autreomve
[15:39] <neildugan> yeats, not to my knowledge ... I just want the damned server to send emails ... postfix just seems to be far to complex...
[15:40] <ppf> R13ose: why not just plug in another keyboard
[15:40] <BillD73> R13ose: *autoremove
[15:40] <R13ose> ppf: I don't have one
[15:40] <R13ose> BillD73: I did that and still space error
[15:40] <vrboi123> ppf: hey i switched irc client, so how to get unity back working?
[15:40] <tomreyn> yuta: please provide the output of "df -h" as well as the entire input (the command you ran) and output of the command that created the error message you quoted.
[15:40] <tomreyn> !paste | yuta
[15:41] <vrboi123> ppf: nothing interesting in /var/logs
[15:41] <neildugan> yeats, I can't get it to just send an email out.
[15:42] <yeats> neildugan: you need to talk to whoever manages the domain to get the MX record fixed (it's actually not that hard once you/they have researched what to change)
[15:42] <yuta> tomreyn that error was outputed by sudo apt-get install update-manager-core update-manager
[15:42] <tomreyn> memo1: you could setup a cron job to check the file system allocation and notify you when it reached / surpasses 80%
[15:42] <yeats> neildugan: in other words, it doesn't make sense (imho) to spin your wheels on something that's out of your ability to fix :-)
[15:43] <BillD73> R13ose: ok lets try this manually     in Juice      uname -r
[15:43] <yuta> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HWpsn3HCbm/
[15:43] <yuta> tomreyn: df -h outpot
[15:43] <ppf> vrboi123: ~/.xsession-errors ?
[15:43] <yuta> output*
[15:44] <tomreyn> yuta: thos epackages are installe dby default, why aren't they installe don your system?
[15:44] <neildugan> yeats, its so annoying it such a simple job, and so very complex to get it to go.
[15:44] <R13ose> BillD73: I already removed one kernel
[15:44] <memo1> ppf: hi, it fails, it said Network Unreacheable
[15:45] <yuta> tomreyn: i dont know, i changed the apt-sources list from my country repositories to principal repositories and ran apt-get update
[15:45] <BillD73> R13ose: that alone should have been enough to clear up space for apt to work
[15:45] <yuta> tomreyn: i tried to install them following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[15:45] <memo1> tomreyn: and the process is automatically. I dont need notification, just take action
[15:45] <tomreyn> yuta: whihc ubuntu release are you currently running? lsb_release -ds
[15:46] <yuta> tomreyn: 17.04
[15:46] <navplayer> !cep 71080005
[15:46] <tomreyn> yuta: that's not the output of the command i provided.
[15:46] <BillD73> R13ose: run this       dpkg -l | tail -n +6 | grep -E 'linux-image-[0-9]+' | grep -Fv $(uname -r) | pastebinit            give the url returned
[15:46] <vrboi123> ppf: http://hastebin.com/ulonolited.sql heres the output
[15:46] <yuta> tomreyn: yes, $ lsb_release -ds Ubuntu 17.04
[15:47] <tomreyn> yuta: sorry, my mistake then.
[15:47] <yuta> tomreyn: no problem. any idea?
[15:48] <tomreyn> yuta: so your /boot has run full. let's see which kernels you have installed: dpkg -l linux\* | pastebinit
[15:48] <tomreyn> memo1: so you know which failes you can safely delete?
[15:49] <BillD73> tomreyn: alot of full /boot lately
[15:49] <yuta> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KmD4dWcVS8/ done
[15:49] <memo1> tomreyn: the oldest
[15:49] <R13ose> BillD73: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/y3JZ4kvH7G/
[15:50] <memo1> tomreyn: are video files, im recording in real time, but when the disk is full the recording scripts failed, so i need to erase all data.
[15:50] <BillD73> R13ose: something else has /boot full
[15:50] <zanshin> exit
[15:50] <tomreyn> BillD73: it is not unusual, the installers used a (too) conservative approach for examining the size the /boot file system (or partition) should have, for a long time.
[15:51] <R13ose> BillD73: I also removed another kernel before I used your command
[15:51] <tomreyn> yuta: which kernel is now running? cat /proc/version
[15:52] <yuta> tomreyn: which kernels are safe to delete and how to do that?
[15:52] <yuta> tomreyn: Linux version 4.10.0-37-generic (buildd@lgw01-amd64-021) (gcc version 6.3.0 20170406 (Ubuntu 6.3.0-12ubuntu2) ) #41-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 6 20:20:37 UTC 2017
[15:52] <BillD73> tomreyn: not surprising
[15:53] <BillD73> R13ose: can you now via phone/Juice run sudo apt-get autoremove
[15:53] <neildugan> yeats, I found one mistake, now when I send an email to directly to the alias it works :-) but when I send to 'root' it still isn't using the alias
[15:54] <R13ose> BillD73: now boot is not full but still same error.
[15:54] <memo1> tomreyn: old data, sr
[15:55] <tomreyn> memo1: you can use the "find" command to identify and even delete files which have not been modified for a given duration. read the man page and look at the -mtime and -delete options. try it without -delete first to make sure the correct files are listed.
[15:55] <BillD73> R13ose: ok lets try this   sudo update-grub2
[15:56] <BillD73> R13ose: then we will reboot   with     sudo reboot now
[15:56] <navplayer> !status
[15:57] <tomreyn> memo1: example: find /home/me/myfiles -name 'video*' -mtime +6
[15:58] <yuta> tomreyn: i suposse that i have to delete older kernels that i dont use, what should i delete and how?
[15:59] <neildugan> yuta, have you tried "apt autoremove"
[15:59] <tomreyn> yuta: sorry for making you wait. please run: sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-4.10.0-19-generic linux-image-4.10.0-26-generic linux-image-4.10.0-28-generic linux-image-4.10.0-30-generic linux-image-4.10.0-32-generic linux-image-4.10.0-33-generic linux-image-4.10.0-35-generic
[16:00] <R13ose> BillD73: done
[16:00] <jess_> nice to meet you again
[16:00] <BillD73> R13ose: ok  from Juice lets try     sudo apt-get update  and check for an error again
[16:01] <yuta> tomreyn:  no problem. it cant purge that packages, it says "dependency errors", wanna see the outputs?
[16:01] <yuta> neildugan: yes, i tried before but no luck
[16:01] <tomreyn> yuta: yes this would be helpful
[16:01] <yuta> tomreyn: it is in spanish, how can output in english only for this time?
[16:01] <tomreyn> yuta: export LANG=C
[16:01] <tomreyn> yuta: this will apply to the current temrinal
[16:02] <R13ose> BillD73: done.  The upgrade causes the error to show up
[16:02] <BillD73> what is the exact error
[16:02] <BillD73> R13ose: ^
[16:02] <yuta> tomreyn: thanks, here is the outpu: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Z2tb6ZCFZd/
[16:03] <yuta> tomreyn: maybe apt autoremove would help?
[16:03] <tomreyn> yuta: i think apt autoremove will not succeed at this time, but feel free to give it a try.
[16:04] <yuta> tomreyn: running it, 7%.but  i think it will fail
[16:05] <yuta> tomreyn: see a lot of error messages from gzip complaining about no space left on /boot
[16:05] <R13ose> BillD73: https://pastebin.com/vUc2qkx7
[16:05] <neildugan> yuta, what didn't work?   did the alias not work you for you too?
[16:06] <tomreyn> yuta: ok, as expected. please run: sudo dpkg --purge linux-image{,-extra}-4.10.0-{19,26,28,30,32,33,35}-generic
[16:06] <neildugan> yuta, oops
[16:07] <yuta> tomreyn: it still running and removing some packages, linux-headers-4-.10.0*****
[16:07] <yuta> tomreyn: i let it run or i stop it now?
[16:07] <tomreyn> yuta: keep it running
[16:07] <yuta> tomreyn: looks like is removing some kernels
[16:07] <yuta> tomreyn: lets see...
[16:07] <BillD73> R13ose: run       df -ah /boot | pastebinit
[16:08] <tomreyn> yuta: run "df -h /boot" again afterwards.
[16:09] <yuta> tomreyn: ok, im waiting for autoremove to finish
[16:09] <tomreyn> yuta: i'm not in a hurry, ;-)
[16:09] <R13ose> BillD73: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/36r8ZbTmjW/
[16:10] <yuta> tomreyn: well, it failed xD
[16:10] <yuta> tomreyn: but at least i have some space free on /boot now
[16:11] <yuta> tomreyn: /dev/sda1       464M  121M  315M  28% /boot
[16:11] <yuta> tomreyn: wanna se the output of autoremove?
[16:15] <yuta> tomreyn: are you there? sorry for the insistence haha
[16:15] <BillD73> R13ose: run du -h /boot | pastebinit             your still full and we need to locate the culprit
[16:16] <tomreyn> yuta: i'm here. yes you have free space now. please show the output of the autoremove, as well as of: dpkg -l linux\*; df -i /boot
[16:16] <BillD73> fyi pasters   pastebinit on Ubuntu defaults to ubuntu paste which is ad free and easier to load
[16:17] <Sven_vB> I'd like to keep winehq's winehq-devel (wine-3.4) but use the ancient wine-1.8 that's provided in Ubuntu's default apt packages for some apps that don't work with latest wine. can I just extract the .deb to some directory and call the wine binaries by full path?
[16:17] <yuta> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Ns2KyJxGz4/ that is the last command output
[16:18] <R13ose> BillD73: permission denied
[16:18] <yuta> tomreyn: autoremove output is very large, i upload it anyway?
[16:18] <BillD73> R13ose: try it again prepending sudo    though should not be necessary
[16:18] <tomreyn> yuta: not strictly needed then.
[16:18] <yuta> tomreyn: ok
[16:19] <yuta> tomreyn: maybe try apt-get update now that i have some free space on boot?
[16:19] <yuta> tomreyn: or try to remove the kernels again?
[16:19] <R13ose> BillD73: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RsBySdWPgK/
[16:20] <tomreyn> yuta: there are some other problems. but first of all (since this may solve these), run these commands, one by one, and show their output if there are warnings or errors reported: sudo apt update; sudo apt -f install; sudo apt upgrade; sudo apt full-upgrade
[16:20] <ppf> s,upgrade,update, ?
[16:21] <tomreyn> ppf: if you're talking to me? i dont think so, no.
[16:21] <yuta> tomreyn: ok
[16:21] <ppf> tomreyn: felt redundant
[16:21] <tomreyn> ppf: upgrade is not the same as full-upgrade
[16:22] <yuta> tomreyn: apt-get issues: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KV7gg4fdMK/
[16:22] <yuta> tomreyn: apt update *
[16:22] <yuta> tomreyn: i think there is a problem in sources.list?
[16:22] <tomreyn> yuta: i think you were following the EOLUpgrade guide earlier, weren't you?
[16:23] <yeats> neildugan: good to hear that you made some progress - I'm mostly afk now but still checking in
 tomreyn: i tried to install them following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[16:23] <yuta> tomreyn: i didnt touched sources.list or anything, only tried to apt-get that packages that i told you first.
[16:23] <tomreyn> yes you were. which step were you at?
[16:23] <ppf> tomreyn: but isn't it a  true subset?
[16:23] <BillD73> R13ose: how big is your / part   df -h | pastebinit      something is not right
[16:23] <yuta> tomreyn: i had repos from argentina servers, and i changed it from update manager, not by hand modifying sources.list, to principal repos
[16:23] <tomreyn> yuta: okay, follow the guide until you have edited sources.list
[16:24] <yuta> tomreyn: sorry, what do you mean?
[16:25] <tomreyn> ppf: yes, 'apt upgrade' does some of the things which 'apt full-upgrade' also does. the idea was to start with lesser complexity, then increase.
[16:25] <yuta> tomreyn: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades " To begin the upgrade, make sure you have a sources.list like the following, with CODENAME being your release, e.g. quantal."
[16:25] <yuta> tomreyn: so i should modify sources.list now?
[16:25] <tomreyn> yuta: right.
[16:25] <yuta> tomreyn: how to know the codename of my distro?
[16:25] <R13ose> BillD73: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bgbfwfyfH6/
[16:26] <tomreyn> yuta: lsb_release -cs
[16:26] <yuta> tomreyn: is it zesty? based on the apt update output
[16:26] <tomreyn> yuta: most likely
[16:26] <yuta> tomreyn: right, thanks, i will try updating by hand sources.list
[16:26] <ppf> tomreyn: fair enough :)
[16:27] <tomreyn> yuta: check also /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[16:27] <yuta> tomreyn:  what should have that file?
[16:28] <tomreyn> yuta: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ is a directory which may contain additional apt sources. and probably does in your case.
[16:28] <anonymous> hi
[16:28] <anonymous> We are Anonymous.
[16:28] <anonymous> We are Legion.
[16:28] <anonymous> We do not Forgive.
[16:28] <anonymous> We do not Forget.
[16:28] <anonymous> Expect Us!
[16:28] <yuta> tomreyn: yes, some application specific repos. should i remove that?
[16:29] <tomreyn> yuta: there, too, you would also need to update the codename there
[16:29] <BillD73> R13ose: what I think i see to be the primary issue is alotted /boot space being only 236M this is inadequte to begin with imho   during the install was this set this way intentionally?
[16:29] <tomreyn> yuta: a better approach would be to disable them for now, by renaming the files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ to something which does not end in .list
[16:30] <yuta> tomreyn: i only see "stable" in the links
[16:31] <R13ose> BillD73: I don't remember was long ago
[16:31] <anonymouse> hi
[16:31] <anonymouse> am new iser
[16:31] <anonymouse> user&
[16:32] <BillD73> R13ose: outside of my scope but personally that needs to be increased I have alotted 11G to just /boot due to the number of times I have had "full /boot" in the past
[16:32] <anonymouse> i am from Russia
[16:32] <yuta> tomreyn: aptitude: command not found. is aptitude an alias of apt or im missing some program?
[16:32] <R13ose> BillD73: thanks
[16:32] <qsrmvt> Hey all. Running Ubuntu-Mate with i3 as the wm. Trying to use my Yubikey... having lots of trouble. Can't connect to the pcscd daemon presently, but before I wasn't able to access the SSH keys on it...
[16:33] <R13ose> Who can help me increase /boot to 11G?
[16:33] <tomreyn> yuta: aptiotude is a different program than apt. but it serves the same prupose. you can use apt or apt-get instead.
[16:33] <BillD73> R13ose: I would defer to someone who can help resize or reinstall and set it larger
[16:33] <tomreyn> yuta: what is the command you tried to run there?
[16:33] <yuta> tomreyn: yeah, im running with apt. what is exactly the difference? i only notice that apt show some colors while apt-get dont
[16:34] <yuta> tomreyn: sudo aptitude install update-manager-core update-manager from the guide for EOL update
[16:34] <BillD73> R13ose: that alone may also cure your keyboard issue
[16:34] <BillD73> R13ose: if in fact it is a software interaction bug
[16:34] <tomreyn> yuta: apt is trying to be a more user friendly alternative to apt-get.
[16:35] <BillD73> R13ose: another thing you can try is running your live cd from boot and see if the keyboard issue persists
[16:35] <R13ose> BillD73: again thanks.  No CD or DVD drive
[16:35] <yuta> tomreyn:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades, in "Kernel" step, what should i install? generic , server or virtual?
[16:35] <tomreyn> yuta: yes just use apt instead of aptitude there.
[16:36] <BillD73> R13ose: bootable usb stick you installed from?
[16:36] <R13ose> BillD73: should I close juicessh?
[16:36] <tomreyn> yuta: generic
[16:36] <akay> isn't also apt-get supposed to be used with scripts? anyways, never understood why you would reinvent the wheel
[16:36] <R13ose> BillD73: that usb stick has been reformatted
[16:37] <yuta> tomreyn:  E: Unable to locate package linux-image-generic
[16:37] <tomreyn> yuta: before you "run the update" please run the commands i provided earlier first
[16:37] <BillD73> R13ose: well long way around...  using juice you can wget  place a usb in your laptop and dd the image.
[16:37] <tomreyn> yuta:  okay you can ignore this step
[16:38] <tomreyn> yuta: first of all (since this may solve these), run these commands, one by one, and show their output if there are warnings or errors reported: sudo apt update; sudo apt -f install; sudo apt upgrade; sudo apt full-upgrade
[16:38] <R13ose> BillD73: there is no way to use grub to do this?
[16:38] <BillD73> R13ose: I keep an old 2GB usb stick with my current image on
[16:38] <BillD73> R13ose: grub is a bootloader that keeps track of your bootable kernels
[16:39] <yuta> tomreyn:  you are right, i forget to update after modifying sources.list. sorry my bad
[16:39] <tomreyn> yuta: sorry, that was wrong. let me rephrase:
[16:39] <R13ose> BillD73: great.
[16:39] <BillD73> obviously its booting
[16:39] <tomreyn> yuta: run these commands, one by one, and show their output if there are warnings or errors reported: sudo apt update; sudo apt -f install
[16:39] <yuta> tomreyn: im runing apt update and all seems ok for now
[16:39] <yuta> tomreyn: thanks, im on it
[16:39] <BillD73> R13ose: the issue at hand being you can not perform any taks that require you to use space on /boot such as apt-get update
[16:41] <BillD73> R13ose: personally if you can do it, I would reinstall and allocate more space to /boot
[16:41] <Sven_vB> can a program that I run in a chroot still access my PulseAudio?
[16:41] <R13ose> BillD73: will I lose everything?  The usb stick was handed back to original owner
[16:42] <BillD73> R13ose: its always possible to loose stuff thats what backups are for
[16:43] <Kingsy[m]> Does anyone know if there is an ISO available for Ubuntu minimal 18.04? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD only seems to have 17.10..
[16:43] <pragmaticenigma> Kingsy[m], 18.04 hasn't been released yet. See /join #ubuntu+1 for more information
[16:44] <Kingsy[m]> Ok
[16:44] <tomreyn> R13ose / BillD73: which size is /boot there currently=
[16:44] <tomreyn> ?
[16:44] <BillD73> tomreyn: 236M iirc
[16:45] <tomreyn> hmm okay yes that's not too much. on the other hand current releases do proper house keeping and then it *may* actually suffice
[16:45] <BillD73> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bgbfwfyfH6/    their df output
[16:45] <tomreyn> Thanks BillD73.
[16:47] <tomreyn> R13ose: i could try to guide you through resizing /boot, but this would only make sense if you have current, complete and restorable backups and a usb stick / pen drive with your current ubuntu release installer prepared.
[16:47] <tomreyn> it would also take an hour or two
[16:47] <R13ose> tomreyn: I don't have either
[16:48] <tomreyn> R13ose: you should always have both, so that's something to work on next
[16:48] <yuta> are ubuntu encrypted partitions vulnerable to be decrypted?
[16:48] <R13ose> tomreyn: no usb stick large enough
[16:48] <tomreyn> R13ose: how large is yours?
[16:49] <BillD73> R13ose: to make a "live" you only need about 2GB stick
[16:49] <tomreyn> yuta: there are not "encrypted partitions", are you referring to dmcrypt-LUKS?
[16:50] <R13ose> tomreyn: small
[16:50] <yuta> tomreyn: i refer to the ubuntu function to encrypt the home folder, that prompts you for the password when boot to decrypt the data
[16:50] <tomreyn> R13ose: okay if it's smaller than 2 GB you should probably buy a new one indeed, since the existing one will be old and becoming unreliable.
[16:50] <R13ose> Can I not resize within Ubuntu?
[16:51] <BillD73> R13ose: no   you would need to unmount the disk while running the live cd
[16:51] <tomreyn> R13ose: no, this needs to be done from a separate system since you will need to shrink the existing ubuntu system, and you can't shrink the system that is currently active.
[16:52] <R13ose> Gparted will not help?
[16:52] <tomreyn> R13ose: also without backups you should not even think about such changes which can easily mean complete data loss
[16:52] <BillD73> ^^
[16:53] <R13ose> Well, how do I get rid of some of the /boot then?
[16:53] <tomreyn> R13ose: please show: dpkg -l linux-image\*
[16:55] <R13ose> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cwWRW2NQv8/
[16:56] <tomreyn> R13ose: please show: lsb_release -ds
[16:57] <R13ose> tomreyn: Ubuntu 17.10
[16:58] <tomreyn> R13ose: please show also: sudo apt-get -y update; sudo apt-cache policy
[16:58] <tomreyn> R13ose: and finally: cat /proc/version
[16:59] <pragmaticenigma> yuta, there are two types of encrytion supported. Full system, which requires a password to boot the machine. User encryption, which encrypts the home folder of the user only (decrypted on login).
[17:00] <R13ose> tomreyn: first one http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/M2xHVB63YF/
[17:01] <R13ose> tomreyn: Linux version 4.15.15-gnu (root@pc) (gcc version 4.7.2 (Debian 4.7.2-5)) #1 SMP Sat Mar 31 18:03:56 UTC 2018
[17:01] <tomreyn> yuta: sorry, i missed your reply. the home directory encryption you are referring to is called ecryptfs. they can be decrypted by anyone who has the decryption passphrase (or can reproduce it, such as due to a weak passphrase), by default, this passphrase is the same as your users login password..
[17:01] <pragmaticenigma> yuta, with a sufficiently difficult password, it will help protect your data. I'd recommend reading up on system encryption. A good place to start is here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/909432/how-secure-is-an-encrypted-partition
[17:01] <tomreyn> yuta: this encryption mechanism is not known to be broken, if that's what you meant.
[17:02] <tomreyn> R13ose: so, why do you use non ubuntu kernels on your ubuntu system?
[17:03] <tomreyn> R13ose: that's fine if you know what you're doing and why.
[17:03] <tomreyn> R13ose: (it is, however, not supported here)
[17:04] <R13ose> tomreyn: I know but this is why I use that: "... removing any software that does not include its source code, has its source code obfuscated, or is released under proprietary licenses."
[17:05] <tomreyn> R13ose: i do not understand what this quote refers to
[17:06] <yuta> thanks to both, that was i want to know.
[17:06] <R13ose> tomreyn: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux-libre
[17:06] <tomreyn> R13ose: well it's unrelated to the issue at hand, but i recommend you use ubuntu kernels on ubuntu unless you know why exactly you deviate and whether that's safe to do, and what the implications are.
[17:07] <yuta> i cant cat /etc/passwd from non-root user. that is bad?
[17:07] <R13ose> tomreyn: I know all of that
[17:07] <yuta> can*
[17:08] <tomreyn> R13ose: good, let's carry on. can you show ls -lh /boot/
[17:08] <FreeStaff> hello guys;
[17:08] <FreeStaff> how can i share my internet connection on eth0 to eth1 on dhcp?
[17:08] <JimBuntu> yuta, what about /etc/passwd~ ?
[17:09] <tomreyn> yuta: a non-root user should normally be able to access /etc/passwd since by default it is world readable: -rw-r--r--
[17:09] <R13ose> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3b4rkVvchR/
[17:10] <yuta> but that file contains password hashes?
[17:10] <bjonnh> I'm getting a black screen after installing Ubuntu server 16.04 on a machine. I tried to replace "quiet splash" to "nomodeset" and to "acpi_osi=Linux" but still have black screen
[17:10] <JimBuntu> yuta, look for yourself... do you see hashes?
[17:10] <bjonnh> it seems to boot properly in the back though
[17:10] <yuta> JimBuntu: no xd
[17:10] <JimBuntu> yuta, now check out the /etc/passwd~ for hashes
[17:11] <yuta> but can, for example, you have a vulnerable site running on a webserver, the attacker could see that file and try to guess passwords
[17:11] <bjonnh> (no GUI installed)
[17:11] <JimBuntu> sorry, I meant /etc/passwd-
[17:11] <yuta> JimBuntu: no hashes there too
[17:11] <JimBuntu> yuta, YAY
[17:12] <JimBuntu> yuta, on to the other question though... so an actor somehow gets shell access on your web server... sees the passwd file and now knows possibly valid usernames, is that the concern?
[17:12] <yuta> JimBuntu: then, where do the system saves the hashes?
[17:12] <JimBuntu> yuta, try sudo cat /etc/shadow
[17:12] <yuta> JimBuntu: nah, with shell access you are already fucked. i mean, with some web vulnerabilitie like file uploads
[17:13] <tomreyn> R13ose: okay so you still have intrd images in place which apt and dpkg are not aware of. since you have no matching kernels available for these you can probably just delete them: sudo rm /boot/initrd.img-4.10.0-??-generic /boot/initrd.img-4.13.0-{25,36}-generic
[17:13] <yuta> JimBuntu:  i see now, haha
[17:13] <JimBuntu> Well, if they can maneuver their way back to /etc/passwd... then I suppose they will get a user list. Next topic though is how they get in... you shouldn't have password auth enabled for SSH. and if this is a production environment that you want to keep clean, then it shouldn't have a telnet server running
[17:14] <tomreyn> R13ose: do you want to remove the ubuntu kernels completely and just use the trisquel ones then, or do you prefer to have both installed side by side?
[17:14] <bjonnh> vga=788 nosplash  doesn't do it either
[17:15] <bjonnh> weird the install worked properly and debian worked properly…
[17:16] <R13ose> tomreyn: I did the command.  I feel having the newest Ubuntu kernel along side is good if anything goes wrong with the other kernel.  If you feel I should only keep one, I can do that too.
[17:19] <tomreyn> R13ose: you said you know what you're doing and what the implication sare, so i don't think you need any further recommendations on this from me. ;-)
[17:21] <TJ-> bjonnh: is GRUB set to use a GFX mode rather than text? check /etc/default/grub
[17:21] <tomreyn> R13ose: you could also remove the 4.15.13 kernel images, headers and initrd since you have a newer triquel kernel installed, too.
[17:21] <R13ose> tomreyn: should I try to upgrade again?
[17:22] <tomreyn> R13ose: it will probably remove the trisquel kernel, and since you'Re not running an ubuntu kernel, the upgrade may fail. but that's one of the implications you're already aware of, so YMMV
[17:22] <R13ose> YMMV?
[17:22] <palmtree> hi, I need some help with the Ubuntu Live on a Macbook Pro... I've installed it correctly on a USB and it's currently running... what I want to do is to access the Macintosh HD partition of the HDD inside the Mac from the Live Ubuntu... how can I do it? The HDD doesn't appear in the Media section... is it because it's an HFS+ partition and cannot be read from linux? Please help me because I need to backup :-)
[17:23] <bjonnh> TJ-: I solved it by switching terminals (weird because no X on machine)
[17:23] <tomreyn> R13ose: sorry, YMMV = your mileage may vary, meaning: i trust your ability to make wise choices on this based on your previous statements.
[17:23] <bjonnh> TJ-: I will have to see if it is doing that with defaults settings too
[17:23] <s10gopal> TJ-, the problem came with kernel 4.13 . can you please tell https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=694926 is related ?
[17:24] <TJ-> bjonnh: oh, that shouldn't hit the true -server install but it does affect mini-iso netboot installs... I wrote/updated the bug yesterday
[17:24] <bjonnh> that's a netboot install of server
[17:24] <bjonnh> do you have a link for the bug?
[17:25] <s10gopal> TJ-, your acpi patch solve this type of problem right ?
[17:25] <sammyg> does the path of "of" parameter of dd command need to start with something like "/dev/"?
[17:25] <TJ-> bjonnh: see Bug #1697968
[17:25] <palmtree> and when I run the command "sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/sda2 /mnt/macosx/ it returns me: "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda2, missing codepage or helper progra,...blabla
[17:25] <bjonnh> TJ-: thx
[17:26] <bjonnh> TJ-: so removing splash would be enough?
[17:26] <R13ose> tomreyn: this is fixed now thanks.  How do I make sure this doesn't happen again?
[17:28] <tomreyn> R13ose: use only ubuntu kernels, resize /boot (increasing capacity - which most likely requires decreasing sizes of other file systems, LVM PVs and partitions beforehand) or reinstall ubuntu with a larger /boot file system.
[17:28] <s10gopal> !ping
[17:29] <TJ-> bjonnh: Yes
[17:29] <bjonnh> great \o/
[17:29] <bjonnh> thx
[17:29] <R13ose> tomreyn: thanks
[17:29] <TJ-> bjonnh: I did an install test og 16.04 server ISO yesterday in a VM and it didn't have the problem, but a similar install from the 16.04 mini.iso did.
[17:30] <R13ose> I got these two warnings: https://pastebin.com/bFAA42ZP The first one always shows up and not sure how to make that go away.
[17:31] <ShellcatZero> Any help is greatly appreciated: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1021244/can-not-get-lightdm-or-gdm-working-on-lts-16-04
[17:31] <TJ-> s10gopal: the theory in that bug report that system doesn't power down fully but remains active makes sense but I cannot see how writing to the CMOS RTC would trigger that unless there is a big bug in the way the mobo/RTC is designed
[17:31] <palmtree> some help? up ^
[17:31] <bjonnh> TJ-: well it is a lesser problem that what I thought, I thought I would have no tty at all on that machine ;)
[17:32] <tomreyn> R13ose: actually, there are probably still some issues on your system preventiung your ubuntu kernels from getting updates and old ones form getting removed. you could show 'dpkg -l linux\*' again
[17:32] <JimBuntu> palmtree, are you sure it's using HFS+ and not Apple Core?
[17:32] <s10gopal_> TJ-, please tell
[17:33] <palmtree> JimBuntu I suppose it's HFS+, how can I check that? and if it's Apple Core? how can I access it and copy things?
[17:33] <TJ-> bjonnh: it's a pain though, if you got it from an ubuntu-server ISO install
[17:33] <s10gopal_> how to get latest #ubuntu log ?
[17:33] <bjonnh> TJ-: no I got it from a mini !
[17:34] <TJ-> bjonnh: aha! so it is the same issue. phew!
[17:34] <bjonnh> yes :)
[17:34] <BillD73> !logs
[17:34] <s10gopal_> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/04/02/%23ubuntu.html dont have latest updated log
[17:35] <R13ose> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KccvWPGVCq/
[17:35] <tomreyn> R13ose: the plymouth warning is a result of using non ubuntu kernels
[17:36] <tomreyn> R13ose: dpkg -l output looks good, no more help, forbidden, broken packages. and no leftover configurations are tracked yb dpkg.
[17:36] <R13ose> tomreyn: I had that come up when I was using the Ubuntu kernels too.
[17:37] <tomreyn> i mean helD, not helP there
[17:37] <JimBuntu> palmtree, You could boot into MacOS and check there... or perhaps a quick sudo gdisk then p will show if the partition code is, which you can look up.
[17:37] <R13ose> tomreyn: why is header 3.0 in there?
[17:38] <s10gopal_> !time
[17:38] <tomreyn> R13ose: hmm then i assume you or some unofficial or unsupported package you installed must have made changes to the plymouth themes used
[17:38] <s10gopal_> !clock
[17:38] <JimBuntu> palmtree, AF05 should be for core. I will say that on mine, I'm showing code 'FFFF'. I had not tried to access the macOS partition since upgrading the macOS
[17:38] <tomreyn> R13ose: because your system knows about its existence. it is, however not installed ("un")
[17:38] <Pinkamena_D> Has anyone ever tried to disable a device completely when not needed? I have a secondary hard drive on my laptop ussed only for large video/audio libraries which I don't generally use. I currently mount it manually when needed. What annoys me is that it spins all the time and drains battery. Is there any way to have iti turned off all the time except when I manually mount it?
[17:39] <R13ose> tomreyn: should I uninstall that?  If so, how?
[17:39] <R13ose> tomreyn: no way of knowing which package is unofficial or unsupported?
[17:40] <palmtree> JimBuntu in the Disk application of Ubuntu on the HDD of the Mac there are 3 partitions, one EFI, another Macintosh HD, and Recovery HD... Macintosh HD is the partition I want to access and it says it's an Apple Core Storage
[17:40] <JimBuntu> palmtree, Ok, in that case, afaik, you will need a special library... just a moment
[17:41] <JimBuntu> palmtree, I think this is it - https://github.com/libyal/libfvde
[17:41] <JimBuntu> Pinkamena_D, Is this the kind of thing you are looking for? http://www.havetheknowhow.com/Configure-the-server/Spin-down-idle-drives.html
[17:43] <s10gopal_> !ping
[17:44] <tomreyn> R13ose: if you remove all apt sources which do not contain "ubuntu.com" and fully upgrade your system then you can use the foreign_packages script at https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts to identify packages which are not official. alternatively, you can run "ubuntu-support-status" after fully upgrading your system.
[17:45] <Kingsy[m]> Curious. I can see my wireless device in iwconfig but not ifconfig.. what could be wrong?
[17:45] <tomreyn> R13ose: i have to leave it there, got to go. good luck.
[17:45] <Pinkamena_D> I have tried hdparm in the past on the command line, but it only worked on startup, not after suspend / resums cycles
[17:46] <R13ose> tomreyn: thanks
[17:46] <Kingsy[m]> It means ip link show e1p2s0 just says the device doesn't exist.
[17:46] <Kingsy[m]> I also can use iwlist scan it says the device doesn't support scanning.
[17:46] <Kingsy[m]> Which to me feels.like it's because the device isn't up
[17:48] <TJ-> Kingsy[m]: shouldn't the device name start 'wl' not 'el' ?
[17:48] <Kingsy[m]> Sorry that was a typo
[17:48] <Kingsy[m]> Yeah it's w1p2s0
[17:50] <TJ-> Kingsy[m]: and 'ip link show' doesn't report it? Is this in a bare metal host, not a container or net namespace?
[17:50] <Kingsy[m]> It does but it's down. The state I mean.
[17:51] <Kingsy[m]> Trying g to figure out how to bring it up
[17:52] <tgm4883> Having some trouble with my HP CP1025nw getting an image to print out similiar to what I see on the screen. My prints are coming out way too dark and the darker areas of the image are getting completely washed out
[17:54] <TJ-> Kingsy[m]: "sudo ip link set wlp2s0 up"
[17:54] <Kingsy[m]> Ah I was missing the set. Let me try
[17:54] <TJ-> Kingsy[m]: but for CLI based config much easier to use either nmcli or nmtui (Network Manager)
[17:54] <TJ-> Kingsy[m]: nmtui especially is a console version of the GUI NM connection editor
[17:55] <Kingsy[m]> There we go
[17:55] <Kingsy[m]> It's scanning now
[17:55] <Kingsy[m]> Oh thanks
[17:56] <mattx> hi
[17:57] <Guest41200> Is there any gui program where i can change fstab configs and whatever else is needed to change my home partition location and swap like when you are installing ubuntu?
[17:57] <mattfly> Is there any gui program where i can change fstab configs and whatever else is needed to change my home partition location and swap like when you are installing ubun
[18:01] <jluc> gparted does quite a bit mattfly
[18:17] <Jest> yo
[18:31] <IsFunny> What can i do if my screen stays black after bios? No grub visible
[18:32] <IsFunny> I also tried reinstalling grub from livecd and it didn't help too
[18:32] <Jest> fuuck
[18:33] <leftyfb> !language | Jest
[18:33] <leftyfb> Jest: what can we do for you?
[18:33] <Jest> cool dood
[18:34] <leftyfb> IsFunny: what version of ubuntu were you running? How long ago did you install it? What changed between the last time it worked and now? Tried running a drive health check?
[18:34] <IsFunny> leftyfb a few years, it's my htpc/file server
[18:35] <IsFunny> leftyfb i used apt sutoremove which deleted some old linux kernels i guess.. that's the only thing i remember
[18:35] <IsFunny> Drive health check looked good, also memtest86 said everything is fine
[18:35] <leftyfb> IsFunny: what version of ubuntu?
[18:36] <IsFunny> leftyfb i am not sure to be honest
[18:36] <IsFunny> I will check in livecd
[18:38] <IsFunny> leftyfb the contents of sources.list should be sufficient right?
[18:38] <leftyfb> IsFunny: cat <mount>/etc/issue
[18:39] <IsFunny> 16.04.4 lts
[18:39] <leftyfb> IsFunny: did you get any errors when you reinstalled grub?
[18:39] <leftyfb> IsFunny: tried booting with "Super Grub Disk"?
[18:39] <IsFunny> No, only ubuntu livecd
[18:40] <TJ-> IsFunny: are multiple displays connected?
[18:41] <yuta> im doing apt-get dist-upgrade and i can see that it is update a very large package of an application that i dont want anymore. can i cancel it and remove that package without interfering with the upgrade process?
[18:41] <IsFunny> leftyfb never heared of it, i will try with this
[18:41] <yuta> i can see that it is updating*
[18:41] <leftyfb> yuta: I wouldn't
[18:42] <yuta> estimated time is 2 hours, fuck, i have to wait all for that stupid package
[18:42] <leftyfb> !language | yuta
[18:42] <yuta> sorry
[18:43] <leftyfb> yuta: actually, if it's just downloading, and not installing yet, then you can cancel it
[18:44] <yuta> leftyfb: but wouldnt it generate any issue when redoing apt dist-upgrade? im doing this to fix a problem that i had, i dont want to generate another problem to fix
[18:44] <leftyfb> yuta: nope
[18:44] <leftyfb> yuta: again, not if you're still in the downloading phase
[18:45] <yuta> leftyfb: Get:206 http://ppa.launchpad.net/saiarcot895/flightgear/ubuntu zesty/main amd 64
[18:45] <yuta> leftyfb: still downloading, right?
[18:45] <leftyfb> yup
[18:46] <yuta> leftyfb: to prevent apt for trying to download again that package, apt-get remove --purge flightgear will do the trick?
[18:46] <leftyfb> should
[18:49] <yuta> leftyfb: shit, i purged the package but still trying to download it!
[18:49] <yuta> 1GB
[18:51] <IsFunny> leftyfb now i don't even get a bios output anymore.. i think i might just have a hardware failure :(
[18:52] <leftyfb> IsFunny: sounds like it
[18:53] <IsFunny> Oh no, now i see it again haha
[18:53] <IsFunny> Trying to boot suler grub now
[18:53] <IsFunny> It found system
[18:54] <IsFunny> Kernel panic
[18:54] <IsFunny> Vfs: unable to mount root fs on unknown
[18:55] <fxnoob> TJ-, dont_irc_as_root
[18:55] <fxnoob> lol
[18:56] <TJ-> fxnoob: dont_repeat_unconsidered_mantras
[18:57] <fxnoob> it was a saying in my days
[18:57] <fxnoob> now I guess nobody cares :P
[18:58] <IsFunny> What does that mean, leftyfb
[18:58] <Jest> aa
[18:59] <IsFunny> Kernel panic with the message: not syncing: vfs: unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)
[19:06] <nxc> hola
[19:07] <SimonNL> yep
[19:08]  * Acheron-a xD *
[19:08] <yuta> nxc: !es
[19:10] <yuta> leftyfb: any idea to prevent the package being downloaded?
[19:11] <IsFunny> Please someone help :D i need that pc so that i can sleep in peace :D
[19:12] <ioria> IsFunny, what's the problem ?
[19:13] <IsFunny> I can't boot my computer because after bios I just have a black screen and i found out by using super grub disk that the error might be: (IsFunny) Kernel panic with the message: not syncing: vfs: unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)
[19:14] <ioria> IsFunny, why are you using sbd ?
[19:15] <IsFunny> I only get a black screen after bios
[19:15] <ioria> IsFunny, dual boot ?
[19:15] <IsFunny> No
[19:16] <ioria> IsFunny, press shift or esc right after bios
[19:16] <IsFunny> It's really just black, there's nothing at all
[19:16] <ioria> IsFunny, ok, press shift or esc right after bios
[19:17] <IsFunny> Alrigjt
[19:17] <IsFunny> Still black
[19:18] <ioria> IsFunny, then you need an ubuntu livecd
[19:18] <TJ-> IsFunny: does the PC have more than 1 fixed disk?
[19:18] <IsFunny> Yes,4
[19:19] <TJ-> IsFunny: In BIOS setup, first ensure the correct boot order is set, it may be the order has changed
[19:19] <TJ-> IsFunny: are the 4 disks arranged for a RAID config or  JBOD  ?
[19:19] <IsFunny> I tried booting through boot menu
[19:19] <IsFunny> TJ- they are on this linix virtusl thing
[19:19] <IsFunny> I can't remember the namr
[19:19] <TJ-> IsFunny: so this isn't on bare hardware?
[19:20] <IsFunny> Oh yes it is
[19:20] <IsFunny> I mean 3 of those 4 disks are in one virtual linux jbod
[19:20] <IsFunny> Can't remember the name of how linux does that
[19:20] <TJ-> IsFunny: by virtual do you mean LVM (Linux Volume Management) ?
[19:21] <IsFunny> It is on bare hardware, sorry i wrote that badly
[19:21] <IsFunny> No vm involved
[19:21] <ioria> IsFunny,  why don't you boot the livecd ?
[19:21] <IsFunny> I mean lvm! Yes
[19:21] <ioria> IsFunny,  lvm gives you a small /boot; maybe it's full
[19:22] <TJ-> IsFunny: so far it sounds like we have PC > BIOS > disk 0 > GRUB > vmlinux + initrd.img > LVM > VG > LV rootfs
[19:22] <IsFunny> I think at least :/
[19:22] <IsFunny> Wait let's start over please
[19:22] <TJ-> IsFunny: and you think the problem is between BIOS > disk 0
[19:22] <IsFunny> There are 4 disks on the pc
[19:22] <IsFunny> 3 for pure storage, one for the system
[19:22] <IsFunny> The system is just a ubuntu installation without gui
[19:23] <IsFunny> The other 3 are just medis files and all that in a virtual jbod thing
[19:23] <TJ-> IsFunny: right (lets assume those 3 storage disks are all allocated to "LVM" then
[19:23] <IsFunny> Yes
[19:23] <TJ-> IsFunny: so maybe we have (for booting) PC > BIOS > disk 0 > GRUB > vmlinux + initrd.img > rootfs
[19:24] <IsFunny> Whem booting livecd i can by the way browse systme disk and the lvm disk
[19:24] <TJ-> IsFunny: and you cannot get to the GRUB boot menu by pressing Shift or Escape at boot-time... suggests GRUB never gets loaded
[19:24] <IsFunny> Yes, sounds about right.
[19:24] <IsFunny> Yes. And i also tried reinstalling grub from livecd with chroot and all that fun
[19:24] <TJ-> IsFunny: so that means it is likely stuck doing only PC > BIOS > disk X !!!! can't find GRUB !!!!
[19:25] <merpnderp> Anyone looking at OVH with their unlimited bandwidth?
[19:25] <IsFunny> Now i tried super grub disk and it said the error above
[19:25] <IsFunny> TJ- could be but why would it
[19:26] <ioria> IsFunny, chroot and paste   df -h and sudo parted -l
[19:26] <TJ-> IsFunny: the most obvious issue is the BIOS has 'forgotten' the correct boot order and is trying to boot from one of those storage disks. Are all 4 disks in the system the same make/model. If not, do you know for sure which make/model is the boot disk ?
[19:27] <TJ-> IsFunny: it won't matter how much you do with a chroot if BIOS is trying to boot from the wrong disk
[19:27] <IsFunny> They are literally jbod :D so not the same make/model
[19:27] <IsFunny> Mostly laptop disks which i replaced by ssds
[19:27] <ioria> i'am out
[19:28] <TJ-> IsFunny: OK, you need absolute facts in these situations. Boot a LiveISO, find the boot disk and get it's make/model/serial number... then reboot into BIOS and ensure that disk is set as first in the boot order.
[19:28] <IsFunny> Alright
[19:29] <TJ-> IsFunny: once you've got the LiveISO Try Ubuntu session running, and have found the device with the OS on, you can get the disk identity usually by doing "ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/" and matching the /dev/sdX to the ID
[19:33] <IsFunny> The ubuntu explorer already shows the disk
[19:33] <IsFunny> Can i get mkre info than just the id of the disk?
[19:34] <IsFunny> Brand etc?
[19:40] <linuxr_> hello everyone - I just installed latest ubuntu 16.04 on an acer aspire v3 laptop. Before installing, I made sure that the bios runs in "Legacy Mode". Installation went fine, but when booting, I get an error message "No bootable device found". In the bios however I can see the hard drive, and when manually opening the boot menu, I can also select it and boot from it. Any ideas?
[19:41] <yuta> linuxr_: maybe you have to configure the boot secuence to boot from hard drive?
[19:42] <TJ-> linuxr_: maybe the CSM/BIOS mode doesn't have a boot-order and you have to use manual selection
[19:42] <linuxr_> yuta, also thought that, made sure that the disk is first priority - same result
[19:42] <yuta> linuxr_: when you select hard drive from boot menu, it boots normally?
[19:42] <linuxr_> yuta, yup
[19:42] <linuxr_> it's really strange - never seen that before
[19:43] <yuta> linuxr_: are you sure that hard drive is first priority?
[19:43] <yuta> linuxr_: yeah it is strange... if hard drive is FIRST priority, has to boot
[19:43] <linuxr_> TJ-, can I also boot ubuntu in UEFI mmode? does this require a re-installation with bios in UEFI mode?
[19:43] <linuxr_> yuta, yes it has
[19:44] <IsFunny> TJ- i have no other way to share it so.. if you ckuld check this: https://photos.app.goo.gl/XMFmbWNprcZ5VQwB2
[19:46] <SlidingHorn> IsFunny, (for future reference, in Ubuntu, you can pipe command results into pastebinit and it will give you a link to share here)
[19:47] <IsFunny> No Internet access, SlidingHorn :/
[19:47] <SlidingHorn> oh, I'm sorry, I missed that part IsFunny
[19:48] <TJ-> IsFunny: looking
[19:49] <TJ-> IsFunny: so sda sdb sdc are the LVM VG store, sdd is the boot device, sdd1 is the root file-system
[19:50] <IsFunny> Yes
[19:51] <TJ-> IsFunny: I can't make it out clearly but it looks like sdd is a WDC WD64..... ?
[19:51] <Blairen23> Has anyone here been able to use icloud web calendars with KOrganizer?
[19:52] <TJ-> IsFunny: whilst you've got it on the LiveISO do you want to go through the steps to ensure GRUB is correctly installed, before rebooting and checking the BIOS boot order points to that WDC WD64.... first?
[19:52] <IsFunny> TJ- I've added one last image to the link above, it shows the boot options/disks
[19:52] <IsFunny> TJ- i already reinstalled grub if you are thinking about that
[19:53] <TJ-> IsFunny: right, that looks like they're wrong. The first should be SATA:4S-WDC WD64...
[19:53] <IsFunny> I've got a grub loading message
[19:53] <TJ-> IsFunny: OK, but I wasn't sure if GRUB was installed correctly. However, your BIOS boot order is obviously wrong, so correct it as I just said and I think it'll be ok
[19:54] <IsFunny> But sfter that grub loading again black screen
[19:54] <TJ-> IsFunny: tap Esc key
[19:54] <TJ-> IsFunny: if nothing there, try Alt+Ctrl+F1
[19:57] <IsFunny> It's just black again
[19:57] <IsFunny> I am still assuming i have a kernel panic there
[19:59] <IsFunny> The hint why i am thinking this is: if i am stuck in grub a short press on the power button would power off the pc. But if i am in os or in a kernel panic I would have to long-press. Currently i have to long-press
[20:02] <TJ-> IsFunny: there were some things I wanted to check whilst you had the LiveISO active; have you restarted that?
[20:02] <IsFunny> I surely can
[20:02] <IsFunny> Lets do it
[20:04] <IsFunny> TJ- I'm in livecd
[20:05] <TJ-> IsFunny: OK. Check 'lsblk -f; - if sdd1 is mounted unmount it: "udisksctl unmount -b /dev/sdd1"
[20:05] <IsFunny> Not mounted
[20:06] <TJ-> IsFunny: then let's get s a chroot assembled: "sudo -i" then "mkdir /target; mount /dev/sdd1 /target; for n in proc sys dev dev/pts etc/resolv.conf; do mount --bind /$n /target/$n; done"   then "chroot /target" and inside it firstly "mount -a"
[20:07] <Sven_vB> I'd like to install wine1.8 - 1:1.8.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10.1~ppa1 from the Wine Team PPA, but in a way that avoids conflicts with the winehq PPA. what's the easiest way? create a chroot with debootstrap?
[20:07] <TJ-> IsFunny: then do "grub-install /dev/sdd" then check /etc/default/grub, remove the leading # comment so you have "GRUB_TERMINAL=console" then do "update-grub"
[20:07] <Sven_vB> one more condition, I'd like the programs running in wine1.8 have access to my regular PulseAudio.
[20:09] <IsFunny> Mount -a does what?
[20:09] <IsFunny> It says sprcial device does not exist
[20:09] <IsFunny> I mgiht have to mount bimd dev/mapper too
[20:10] <TJ-> IsFunny: "mount -a" mounts everything in /etc/fstab that is marked auto
[20:10] <TJ-> IsFunny: it ensures the chroot is in the same state as a booted system
[20:10] <IsFunny> My screen just went black while using livecd
[20:11] <TJ-> IsFunny: /dev/mapper with be but you may need to do "vgchange -ay" to activate the LVM
[20:11] <Sven_vB> IsFunny, might be power management?
[20:11] <TJ-> IsFunny: tap a key?
[20:11] <TJ-> IsFunny: sounds like the power-saving functions.
[20:11] <IsFunny> Well i was typing and it went black while doing that
[20:11] <IsFunny> Maybe i really have faulty hardware
[20:12] <R13ose> I can't use this computer to type anything unless I fix the + signs that keep typing
[20:12] <Sven_vB> or loose cables
[20:12] <IsFunny> I'll reboot livecd and try it again
[20:13] <Sven_vB> R13ose, have you checked whether the switch below the key is stuck physically?
[20:13] <R13ose> Nope
[20:13] <Sven_vB> R13ose, more generally, try with a spare keyboard. (it's a good idea to have one.)
[20:17] <IsFunny> TJ- ok did it
[20:17] <IsFunny> Reboot now?
[20:17] <TJ-> IsFunny: No... you have screeen working OK
[20:17] <Blairen23> Can anyone direct me on how to add a webcal:// to KOrganizer?
[20:17] <TJ-> IsFunny: we need to explore to know what the config is. check it has Internet connection with "ping archive.ubuntu.com"
[20:17] <IsFunny> Well maybe it gets black again
[20:18] <IsFunny> Unknown host
[20:18] <TJ-> IsFunny: can the Live environment ping ?
[20:19] <IsFunny> Yes
[20:19] <IsFunny> I connected to the wifi while i was in chroot already if that's a problem
[20:20] <IsFunny> Screen went black again
[20:21] <TJ-> IsFunny: when it goes black can you regain control?
[20:21] <IsFunny> I couldn't find a qay other than reboot yet
[20:21] <IsFunny> Way*
[20:21] <IsFunny> Any idea what i could try?
[20:21] <TJ-> IsFunny: Is there any sign of it reacting such as pressing Caps Lock and the LED flashing
[20:21] <IsFunny> Caps lock is dead too
[20:22] <IsFunny> Num lock etc
[20:22] <TJ-> IsFunny: I'm beginning to think it is a hardware issue, most likely thermal.
[20:22] <TJ-> IsFunny: the timing might suggest it is overheating as soon as it does anything intensive.
[20:23] <IsFunny> Nothing changed in a few months.. it's just standing there running 24/7 :/
[20:23] <IsFunny> I'll try if it starts ul with the new grub config
[20:23] <TJ-> IsFunny: I'd suggest you do some thorough investigation - clean fans, make sure they're working, remove build-up of dust and debris inside, check heatsinks are firmly fitted, and so on
[20:23] <IsFunny> If not i might go for some new pc
[20:24] <IsFunny> Yeah I'll do that tomorrow
[20:24] <IsFunny> I'll try the grub config though
[20:25] <IsFunny> The gpu seems pretty hot bot cpu is really cold
[20:26] <TJ-> IsFunny: combined with losing display sounds like focusing on the GPU would be a good 1st step
[20:29] <IsFunny> Thanks for your help today TJ- :)
[20:30] <R13ose> Sven_vB: I checked but unsure
[20:39] <Sven_vB> R13ose, for a real solution you'll have to test with another keyboard to check whether it's a hardware or software problem. as a temporary fix you could try remapping your keyboard layout so the old + key(s) have no effect.
[20:40] <R13ose> Sven_vB: how do I do that?
[20:42] <Sven_vB> R13ose, no idea. :)
[20:43] <Sven_vB> I tried to learn that once because my caps lock key had annoyed me. dunno whether I had found a solution, but if so, it no longer works in trusty.