[00:06] <kwwii> psyke83: yeah, please do
[00:07] <psyke83> kwwii, I don't have your email, so here it is: http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/Human-Mod_v0.2.tar.gz
[00:07] <psyke83> it's using the exact same highlight colour, it seems to be 100% identical
[00:08] <kwwii> I get a 404 error on that link
[00:09] <psyke83> I just verified, it's working here...
[00:10] <kwwii> yeah, now it works, funky
[00:11] <kwwii> I'll test it out tomorrow, gotta sleep now
[00:11] <psyke83> ok, see ya later
[15:49] <conn> hi kwwii, I sent a mail with another slight update for the themes, you may want to pass UbuntuStudio-Mod onto _MMA_ too
[15:49] <_MMA_> ?
[15:50] <conn> _MMA_, I sent an update last night that fixes a lot of Color Picker inconsistencies, and today I made the menubar item appear as a button (only rounded on top), so you may want to check it out
[15:50] <_MMA_> conn: Ahh... You have multiple nics.
[15:50] <conn> ah crap, sorry
[15:50] <conn> it doesn't save my nick in xchat
[15:50] <psyke83> my real name is Conn, heh
[15:51] <_MMA_> I actually already did that. We need to fix how the radio and checkboxes appear gray.
[15:52] <psyke83> _MMA_, I believe that I fixed that bug too, when sorting the Color Picker mess
[15:52] <_MMA_> psyke83: Here's where I'm at now: http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/Misc/UbuntuStudio-Mod.tar.gz
[15:52] <_MMA_> Edit that, and send it on back. :) Please.
[15:52] <psyke83> _MMA_, is that based off v0.1 or the version I sent last night to Ken? Because I made a lot of changes
[15:53] <_MMA_> Based off the one you sent. I made alot of changes as well.
[15:54] <_MMA_> Most notably fixing how the panel image was tiling on some dialog boxes.
[15:56] <_MMA_> psyke83: I also tightened up the menu and added a setting to make the icons *slightly* smaller.
[15:57] <psyke83> _MMA_, your modification appears to be based off v0.1, where a lot of colours were defined incorrectly
[15:57] <_MMA_> _MMA_: There really are a bit of size issues with things. A/B'ing the one I 1st sent you with the new one will show you. I'd like to fix as much as possible.
[15:57] <psyke83> I spent last night completely testing the Color Picker and fixed all those bugs
[15:58] <_MMA_> Cool. Do what you have to. :)
[15:58] <psyke83> _MMA_, unfortunately I'll be busy for a few hours, but I will take a look later. If you're impatient, check my v0.3 that fixed many bugs, including the checkmark colour. There was a problem with GtkCombo menu and radiobuttons too, it's all fixed
[15:59] <psyke83> _MMA_, http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/UbuntuStudio-Mod_v0.3.tar.gz
[15:59] <psyke83> but I will take a look at your modifications later, so it's up to you if you want to wait for me to incorporate your changes
[15:59] <_MMA_> psyke83: I can wait. I have quite a bit going on as well. (dealing with a newly wrecked car)
[15:59] <psyke83> just bear in mind that many bugs were fixed, so some changes will be unnecessary
[16:00] <psyke83> _MMA_, alright then :)
[16:01] <_MMA_> psyke83: I'd rather you apply the fix since you know what you're doing there. Then play with whatever else you can yo refine it. I'll take it after that.
[16:01] <_MMA_> Remember to also add your name/addy to the gtkrc as credit.
[16:01] <psyke83> _MMA_, sure thing, I'll take a look tonight at your mod, and apply any changes I notice
[16:01] <psyke83> ok
[16:02] <psyke83> gotta run, will talk later
[16:02] <psyke83> kwwii, I also recommend you use the latest version of Human-Murrine-Mod, I sent a mail to you again
[16:02] <psyke83> (well, 10 mins ago)
[16:02] <psyke83> bye
[20:27] <psyke83> _MMA_, working on the theme now
[20:33] <_MMA_> psyke83: cool
[20:36] <psyke83> _MMA_, is the Fast User Switch included by default in UbuntuStudio?
[20:37] <psyke83> I'm sure you've noticed it's got a problem with gnome-panel's panelbg
[20:37] <_MMA_> I cant remember TBH.
[20:37] <_MMA_> It *might* be fixed with my new update.
[20:37] <psyke83> it would be a good idea to check if any bugs are files, because it's quite ugly
[20:37] <psyke83> *filed
[20:37] <psyke83> right, hopefully
[20:38] <_MMA_> Well if you can test it there that would be cool. If not, oh well.
[20:38] <_MMA_> If I had your help a month ago, I would have cared more. I'm just kinda burnt ATM.
[20:40] <psyke83> _MMA_, not to worry, I'll file a bug (if it doesn't exist)
[20:41] <psyke83> if you're not too knackered, I was hoping to ask you a few little questions about the UbuntuStudio mod; for example, the nautilus-extra-view-widget is using a lighter blue colour, should we not use the same "solid" blue color?
[20:42] <_MMA_> psyke83: Please don't file a bug. I'd rather you just hit me up with a fix. ;)
[20:43] <psyke83> _MMA_, haha, I'm not a coder, but I'll take a look a little later. It's a problem with the program, not the theme (because all other applets have transparent background)
[20:43] <_MMA_> The nautilus-extra-view-widget setting might just be there. If you can change it, get rid of it, whatever. I'm cool.
[20:45] <_MMA_> psyke83: Ahh... Then file a bug there. Just not against the theme. :P
[20:51] <_MMA_> psyke83: If there were a way to actually get our text white, without breaking other things, I'd love that.
[20:51] <psyke83> _MMA_, what text, exactly?
[20:53] <psyke83> the modification you had was a little incorrect, but my current version is a 100% representation of the colours in your original theme... although I think the text was a light grey
[20:53] <_MMA_> Yeah.
[20:53] <_MMA_> Thats what I mean.
[20:54] <_MMA_> The text isnt actually white. But I think if it is, it breaks things somewhere.
[20:54] <_MMA_> I can't remember atm.
[20:55] <psyke83> I just changed it to white and see no regressions anywhere; everything is consistent
[20:56] <psyke83> white is actually better, because it offers better contrast for the nautilus-extra-view-widget (Trash)
[20:56] <_MMA_> Try gnome-control-center
[20:56] <psyke83> I don't see any inconsistencies
[20:57] <psyke83> _MMA_, the text values were messed up in your version, I'm almost finished my new version that fixes all that
[20:57] <psyke83> it was already finished, I'm just changing the hilight ratio and some spacing to be consistent with the changes you made
[20:58] <_MMA_> Sure.
[20:58] <_MMA_> I'll take what you do and run it through a bunch of tests.
[20:58] <psyke83> so do you want me to hardcode #000 as the text colour?
[20:58] <_MMA_> Well, what will that break?
[20:58] <psyke83> nope, but you can test it, as you said
[20:59] <psyke83> gimme another minute
[20:59] <_MMA_> Sure. Thanx for the work man. Wished you popped up a month or 2 ago. ;)
[20:59] <psyke83> ah, do you really want black on dark gray for tooltips, or is that a mistake?
[20:59] <psyke83> _MMA_, I was in Brazil for the last six months, teaching English ;)
[20:59] <psyke83> I'm a bit less busy now that I'm home ;)
[21:00] <_MMA_> Fun.
[21:00] <_MMA_> No.  Thing is, the background effects the color there, as well as the color when you *cant* save something in gedit.
[21:01] <_MMA_> ie: When you open something as a user that is owned by roo and it errors when you try to save.
[21:01] <_MMA_> *root
[21:01] <psyke83> let me check that
[21:01] <_MMA_> The text color used is different for both places.
[21:02] <_MMA_> A real pain.
[21:02] <psyke83> _MMA_, if we can expose the name of the widget, we can create a workaround in the theme file
[21:02] <psyke83> we can make an exception just like the nautilus widget
[21:04] <_MMA_> Sure.
[21:06] <psyke83> do you know a fast way to find that, or do I need to get the source?
[21:09] <_MMA_> I have *no* clue how to do that.
[21:11] <_MMA_> Ive searched before, and am now, but without much luck.
[21:13] <psyke83> I found the file in the source and it's referencing some GtkWidget stuff
[21:13] <_MMA_> Cool.
[21:13] <_MMA_> There was a app in windows that would do this for windows. I wish we had one for GTK.
[21:16] <_MMA_> psyke83: I'll ask a guy that might know (MacSlow) on Monday.
[21:16] <_MMA_> See if he knows a easy to figure this stuff out.
[21:16] <psyke83> ok
[21:32] <psyke83> _MMA_, finished... let me give a quick test with the Color Picker and then I'll send it to you
[21:37] <_MMA_> killer
[21:48] <psyke83> _MMA_, http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/UbuntuStudio-Mod_v0.4.tar.gz
[21:49] <psyke83> the nautilus widget and evolution entries look fine (usual problems for themes)
[21:49] <psyke83> the gedit box still needs fixing, so I set the tooltips to white text on black
[21:50] <psyke83> ah: your theme is different to others in that your checkmarks and radiobuttons do not prelight to a different colour - I left this behaviour in case that's the way you prefer it
[21:50] <_MMA_> What else did you change?
[21:51] <_MMA_> You are missing bits.
[21:52] <_MMA_> Aww man... You didnt just edit mine.
[21:57] <_MMA_> Ok. Fixed. Testing now.
[21:58] <_MMA_> psyke83: And you didn't keep my highlight ratios.
[21:59] <psyke83> _MMA_, I thought I fixed the hilight ratios, sorry
[21:59] <_MMA_> np
[22:02] <_MMA_> psyke83: It was just 1. I got it.
[22:02] <psyke83> can you send back your modification so I can see what else I missed?
[22:03] <_MMA_> Yeah. I see another you missed. Lemmie get that 1st.
[22:03] <psyke83> sure, take your time
[22:04] <_MMA_> Why did you add all these "ubuntustudio" lines in here?
[22:05] <_MMA_> Kinda a pain for people who want to derive from this.
[22:06] <psyke83> _MMA_, I based a lot of the theme off clearlooks, and it was defined with "clearlooks-*"
[22:07] <psyke83> sorry, but you can change it back to "theme" if you like, but "murrine" may be better
[22:07] <psyke83> a quick find/replace will change it all, just change the first comment back to UbuntuStudio
[22:07] <_MMA_> psyke83: Murrine might be best. You also lost the fix I had for removing the tiled panel images on some dialogs.
[22:08] <psyke83> I didn't see that fix, I thought that I got everything
[22:08] <_MMA_> Ill brb.
[22:11] <troy_s> psyke83: Any screenshots?
[22:11] <troy_s> psyke83: I'd love to check out your work.
[22:12] <psyke83> troy_s, well, _MMA_ is going to make some more modifications, but it will look the same, I guess.. one sec
[22:12] <troy_s> psyke83: Haven't seen it.  Drop something up on imagebin.ca if you have a second.
[22:13] <psyke83> http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/UbuntuStudio-Mod_v0.4.png
[22:13] <troy_s> psyke83: What element did you change?
[22:13] <psyke83> that's it, troy_s... the main differences are the ghosted buttons and that it's Color Picker compatible
[22:13] <psyke83> otherwise it's almost the same as the original
[22:14] <troy_s> psyke83: Are you working on evolving any engines at the moment?
[22:15] <psyke83> troy_s, I'm not sure what you mean... I'm not involved in coding the actual engines, just working on the theme files
[22:15] <troy_s> psyke83: Ah, I was mistaken.
[22:15] <psyke83> troy_s, I also created Human-Murrine-Mod and Human-Mod (Human, but Color Picker compatible)
[22:15] <troy_s> psyke83: I thought you were twiddling on the internals.
[22:15] <psyke83> nope
[22:16] <psyke83> _MMA_, I didn't see any differences in dealing with the panels, I'd be interested to see your mod when it's finished
[22:16] <_MMA_> psyke83: I found it. You didnt use my files as a base. Therefore you missed the changes to the panel.rc and metacity.xml.
[22:17] <psyke83> _MMA_, ah man, I didn't realize
[22:17] <_MMA_> Just drop those 2 files in and re-apply the theme. You'll see.
[22:17] <psyke83> copying everything but gtkrc should solve that, because the gtkrc includes everything (I just forgot some hilights)
[22:17] <psyke83> will do
[22:21] <psyke83> _MMA_, so you're now using the glossy window border in blue, what else?
[22:21] <psyke83> it seems the blue is different to the scrollbar
[22:21] <_MMA_> No. Should still be black.
[22:21] <_MMA_> 1 sec.
[22:21] <psyke83> _MMA_, no it's ok
[22:22] <psyke83> I had to pkill metacity to force an update (happens with all themes sometimes)
[22:22] <psyke83> it's black
[22:22] <psyke83> hmm no, it's blue again
[22:24] <_MMA_> psyke83: Please back up your current one. Apply a different theme and use this: http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/Misc/UbuntuStudio-Mod.tar.gz
[22:29] <_MMA_> psyke83: Ahh.. Damn.
[22:29] <psyke83> what?
[22:29] <psyke83> _MMA_, the gtk-icon-sizes was moved to the top, it's double-listed
[22:30] <_MMA_> psyke83: Thats why I didnt set the text color to white. Open up gconf an look at the color of the arrows.
[22:30] <_MMA_> White on a white background. :(
[22:30] <_MMA_> Ill remove the icon line here.
[22:30] <psyke83> the prelight, you mean?
[22:31] <_MMA_> I believe thats what you call it.
[22:31] <psyke83> _MMA_, there's an inconsistency in your theme that I kept in...
[22:31] <psyke83> usually prelighted text is inverse, e.g. radiobuttons and checkmarks turn from white to black, but yours doesn't
[22:32] <psyke83> if you prelight to black, it will fix that problem
[22:32] <psyke83> my Human-Murrine-Mod theme already did that, but there was not such a great need with the colourscheme
[22:32] <_MMA_> Ok. Just tell me what line to change.
[22:32] <psyke83> one sec, let me check
[22:34] <_MMA_> np. Take your time. Im running around anyway.
[22:40] <_MMA_> psyke83: I'd like to set 'em to black.
[22:40] <_MMA_> Then I'll test to see what it effects.
[22:43] <_MMA_> psyke83: Also, the white text effects the calender applet. :(
[22:43] <psyke83> _MMA_, I'm gonna try to find a solution, give me a while, though
[22:44] <psyke83> worst case scenario, we go back to grey text
[22:44] <_MMA_> np. just noting it.
[22:44] <_MMA_> Sure.
[22:51] <psyke83> _MMA_, the problem is fg[NORMAL], we need to find out where to define an exception for the "expander" icons... do you know the proper name>
[22:51] <psyke83> ?
[22:52] <_MMA_> No... I have no clue what they're called.
[22:52] <_MMA_> Lemmie dig.
[22:53] <_MMA_> psyke83: I also gotta make the unfocused titlebar text another color other than white. I'd like it to go grey.
[22:54] <psyke83> not a problem
[22:54] <psyke83> it's the metacity section, probably text[INSENSITIVE], but I'll check
[22:54] <_MMA_> Maybe Glade can tell me the widget name for the arrows.
[22:56] <psyke83> hmm, is it GtkArrow?
[22:57] <_MMA_> Maybe, but Im unsure. The description sounds off.
[22:59] <_MMA_> psyke83: Maybe gtk.Expander or treeview?
[23:00] <psyke83> _MMA_, fixed, it was treeview
[23:00] <_MMA_> k
[23:01] <_MMA_> killer
[23:01] <psyke83> let me fix this up and send back to you
[23:01] <_MMA_> If you just worked on the gtkrc, just send that.
[23:03] <psyke83> ok
[23:07] <psyke83> _MMA_, I'll rename back to murrine-*, ok?
[23:08] <_MMA_> I think that would be best.
[23:08] <psyke83> _MMA_, what's wrong with the world time applet?
[23:09] <_MMA_> The nimbers for the month are white.
[23:09] <_MMA_> *numbers
[23:09] <psyke83> you want it inversed? it seems ok, though
[23:10] <_MMA_> I think that's gonna be a hard one.
[23:10] <_MMA_> ?
[23:10] <_MMA_> Ill show a screen shot.
[23:10] <_MMA_> 1 sec.
[23:10] <psyke83> before we fix that, what colour should we prelight the treeview icons? Currently it prelights to white, almost invisible
[23:11] <psyke83> ...although it's consistent with the checkmarks and radiobuttons, they stay white
[23:11] <_MMA_> Use your judgment.
[23:12] <_MMA_> psyke83: http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/Misc/Screenshot.png
[23:13] <psyke83> _MMA_, ah! there's a bug on your system, it's fine for me
[23:13] <_MMA_> you on hardy?
[23:13] <psyke83> yep
[23:13] <_MMA_> 1 sec
[23:14] <_MMA_> Ok. Sorry. That's a gutsy/hardy difference. Looks fine on the Hardy box.
[23:14] <psyke83> it would be better to... ignore Gutsy ;)
[23:15] <_MMA_> Well that's what I'm talking to you on. The other issues still show on Hardy.
[23:15] <psyke83> _MMA_, do you want to prelight radiobuttons and checkmarks to black, by the way?
[23:15] <_MMA_> But yeah. I dont care how it looks on Gutsy.
[23:16] <_MMA_> psyke83: I'd rather not, if we can get around it.
[23:16] <psyke83> no problemo
[23:16] <psyke83> so I'll continue to prelight the treeview to white to be consistent; I'll send the gtkrc now
[23:16] <_MMA_> Prelighting them to black right? Instead of white?
[23:16] <_MMA_> Ok.
[23:16] <psyke83> _MMA_, prelight means the mouseover effect
[23:17] <psyke83> i.e. they are white, then turn black when moused over
[23:17] <_MMA_> Ahh.... Gotcha.
[23:17] <psyke83> it's up to you, it's good to show activity in my opinion, but there's already a background highlight effect
[23:17] <_MMA_> I think the highlight on the button and box are enough.
[23:17] <psyke83> ok
[23:18] <_MMA_> :)
[23:20] <psyke83> http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/gtkrc
[23:20] <_MMA_> psyke83: Do you know a way to make the scroolbars one color and the prelight/clicked-on another?
[23:21] <psyke83> _MMA_, I don't think it's possible
[23:21] <psyke83> well.. hmm, let me check
[23:22] <_MMA_> Some think the blue is a bit much. Would be nice to do it for the prelight/clicked states.
[23:23] <psyke83> so you'd like, e.g. a black scrollbar that turns blue?
[23:23] <psyke83> (when clicked/highlighted)
[23:25] <_MMA_> Sure. Probably a grey or something but yeah.
[23:25] <psyke83> _MMA_, it's not possible, anyway... and I have another suggestion: get rid of the #222222 definition, it will ruin the effect when using custom colours
[23:25] <psyke83> just a min and I'll get a good shade definition for you
[23:25] <_MMA_> I like how it darkens the background of the scrollbar.
[23:26] <psyke83> _MMA_, that's fine, but we can get the same effect by using e.g. shade (0.5, @bg_color), which will then adapt to colour changes
[23:26] <psyke83> forget the value there, I need to test for the proper one
[23:26] <_MMA_> Cool. Try it.
[23:28] <_MMA_> The highlight color of the treeview arrows is white? They disappear on hover-over. Maybe use a gray or blue?
[23:30] <_MMA_> psyke83: Oh wow. Another bug in gconf. To the right of the treeview, there's a column that says "Name". It's all gray 'till you hover-over.
[23:31] <psyke83> _MMA_, gimme a min, I'm a little busy
[23:31] <_MMA_> np. Like I said. Just noting. I don't expect you to jump. ;)
[23:45] <psyke83> _MMA_, the treeview is much nicer now; a grey outline that prelights to solid black (including the inside)
[23:46] <psyke83> I'm checking the problem with gconf, do you know the name of that area?
[23:47] <_MMA_> Lemmie look again.
[23:47] <psyke83> frame title, perhaps
[23:47] <_MMA_> psyke83: 2 other things to look at, AptOnCD and gnome-control-center.
[23:48]  * _MMA_ fired up Glade.
[23:50] <psyke83> _MMA_, I think we're dealing with bugs in these applications, perhaps the dev thinking it's "more beautiful" to use a different coloured text than outlined in a HIG
[23:51] <_MMA_> Oh, you're preaching to the choir there. Try tellin' that to people submitting bugs to our theme.
[23:51] <_MMA_> :P
[23:52] <psyke83> _MMA_, the grey colour is hard-coded, it seems
[23:52] <psyke83> in the case of aptoncd
[23:52] <_MMA_> Yeah. I've seen that on other themes as well.
[23:52] <_MMA_> I should file a bug there.
[23:54] <_MMA_> psyke83: I really appreciate hacking on this but I don't wanna kill your Saturday. We can do more tomorrow or later in the week.
[23:54] <psyke83> _MMA_, I'm not doing anything tonight... I've a pretty uneventful life right now... my girlfriend is back in Brazil ;)
[23:55] <psyke83> but if you're bored, I'm gonna continue work on it anyway
[23:55] <_MMA_> Ahhh... Too bad. Where you at?
[23:55] <_MMA_> I'm in the states. Raleigh, NC.
[23:56] <psyke83> I'm in Dublin, Ireland right now
[23:56] <_MMA_> Killer. Im coming there May.
[23:57] <psyke83> nice :)
[23:57] <psyke83> good it's not now, because the weather is very cold
[23:57] <psyke83> I came from Sao Paulo with an average temp. of 25 degrees C, to Dublin, which is currently averaging at 1C most days
[23:57] <_MMA_> haha. I miss the cold. I moved to the southern states and you really cant call it "winter".
[23:59] <_MMA_> And I'm not bored. Just didn't want to pressure you. I'm just sitting here watching a movie with the kids atm. :P
[23:59] <psyke83> ;)


[06:39] <tjaalton> pwnguin: the tablet-thread on u-d-d
[06:50] <bryce> heya tjaalton
[06:51] <wgrant> s/thread/war/
[06:52] <tjaalton> wgrant: well that too
[06:54] <tjaalton> bbl->
[06:56] <pwnguin> ah, i dont actually read u-d-d
[06:57] <pwnguin> im a bit dissapointed that vicenzo didn't send any mail to the toshiba tablet team he started
[07:32] <tjaalton> bryce: hey dude
[08:06] <tjaalton> hmm, writing this mail could take the whole day
[08:27] <bryce> tjaalton: which email?
[08:33] <tjaalton> bryce: the follow-up to the tablet-thread
[08:33] <tjaalton> actually, I'll start a new one
[08:42] <bryce> tjaalton: ah, ok; I ignored that thread (just looked like a flame war)
[08:44] <wgrant> It's certainly getting that way...
[08:44] <tjaalton> people don't realize that things do work just like before if they want to
[08:45] <tjaalton> bryce: and that's the reason why I'll start a new thread..
[08:49] <bryce> night
[08:51] <tjaalton> night bryce
[09:05] <tjaalton> dammit, forgot to remove the sig
[09:36] <wgrant> tjaalton: Heh, I wondered if you intended to send that.
[09:37] <wgrant> tjaalton: Is the XI property API stuff in your PPA done?
[10:17] <tjaalton> oh :)
[10:17] <wgrant> Not entirely what I expected... I presume an X crash combined with some bad kernel interaction.
[10:17] <wgrant> Damn video drivers.
[10:19] <tjaalton> wgrant: evdev uploading
[10:20] <wgrant> I guess this means yet another input driver ABI bump...
[10:21] <tjaalton> only those that support properties, which is evdev/syaptics
[10:21] <tjaalton> +n
[10:21] <wgrant> Are you sure? There seems to have been a renumbering of some constants in the first patch.
[10:22] <tjaalton> hmm
[10:22] <wgrant> (I'm looking at the one sent to the list, not the one you applied, so I might be wrong)
[10:22] <tjaalton> well, does evdev work for you otherwise?
[10:23] <wgrant> It seems to.
[10:23] <wgrant> I have devices.
[10:23] <jcristau> wgrant: the patch sent to the list applied to master, which has all the XI2 changes
[10:23] <wgrant> I have a minimal xorg.conf.
[10:23] <wgrant> So I presume evdev is working its magic.
[10:23] <wgrant> jcristau: I suspected something of the sort.
[10:23] <wgrant> So it's probably not as dangerous as I initially suspected.
[10:23] <tjaalton> the backported properties only changed the numbering of the new stuff
[10:24] <jcristau> the XI 1.4 stuff hasn't changed, so only property-using drivers are affected
[10:24] <wgrant> OK, excellent.
[10:24] <jcristau> might be good to at least bump serverminver though
[10:24] <tjaalton> sigh, so many places to touch :)
[10:26]  * wgrant kicks buildd-master.
[10:26] <tjaalton> I've forgot what was the name of the function that wacom should use in order to be able to init multiple instances using the same driver
[10:26] <wgrant> There are 10 idle i386-xen buildds, yet the build hasn't started.
[10:26] <tjaalton> NewFoo..
[10:27] <jcristau> NIDR, i think :)
[10:27] <tjaalton> oh right, not NDIR:)
[10:28] <tjaalton> lunchshlibs for libxi6
[10:29] <tjaalton> whoops
[10:29] <tjaalton> *lunch ->
[10:29] <wgrant> Mmmm. lunchshlibs.
[10:50] <wgrant> tjaalton: Still hardlocks... any idea how to debug this?
[11:35] <Ng> how come we're blacklisting eaglelake?
[11:35] <Ng> (that's G45/X4000, right?)
[11:58] <tjaalton> Ng: no, something newer
[11:59] <tjaalton> wgrant: could be that the evdev upload was incomplete, but can't check right now
[12:00] <tjaalton> I'm at a seminar..
[12:02] <Ng> (II) intel(0): VESA VBE OEM: Intel(r)Eaglelake Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS
[12:02] <Ng> that's in my Xorg.0.log at home, which is a G45
[12:02] <Ng> I have no idea what Intel codenames mean, I just remembered that from logs
[12:03] <tjaalton> ok, bryce said it would be something experimental
[12:03] <Ng> http://ark.intel.com/chipsetgroup.aspx?codeName=26554
[12:03] <tjaalton> maybe a  newer revision
[12:05] <Ng> well it's different to the PCI ID I have
[12:10] <tjaalton> ok
[13:04] <tjaalton> jcristau: is NIDR a part of the input-hotplug stuff that daniels wrote?
[13:04] <jcristau> yeah. but it's not exported to drivers atm i think
[13:07] <tjaalton> right, looked through the changelog.. magnus even did some fixes to it last year
[13:10] <tjaalton> unfortunately he's the only one who seems to care about wacom with current servers. too bad he seems to be doing something else atm
[13:10] <tjaalton> I mean, work or <gasp> real life
[17:57] <bryce> tjaalton: what needs done for wacom?
[17:57] <bryce> (heya btw)
[18:00] <tjaalton> bryce: a lot, but it's upstreams headache
[18:02] <bryce> probably needs rework due to input-hotplug-ness
[18:03] <bryce> I wonder what that entails
[18:03] <pwnguin> afaik, input hotplug has some work done on it
[18:03] <pwnguin> its the serial devices like tabletPC that get the shaft
[18:04] <bryce> pwnguin: any ideas on how those could be handled via i-h, or is it completely impossible?
[18:04] <pwnguin> i-h is the hal stuff?
[18:05] <pwnguin> my theory has been to detect the laptop model and set it up that way
[18:05] <bryce> ah good call
[18:05] <bryce> i-h != hal, but they do come together
[18:05] <pwnguin> but i have no clue how to write .fdi rules for that
[18:05] <bryce> or rather, i-h relies on hal
[18:06] <bryce> ah, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config for examples
[18:06] <bryce> fdi files are pretty straightforward once you get the hang of them
[18:06] <bryce> well, as straightforward as XML can be straightforward
[18:06] <pwnguin> whats the difference between append and merge?
[18:07] <tjaalton> wacom already has an fdi file, that's not the point
[18:07] <bryce> well, I haven't seen a formal definition, but my guess is that append adds a new entry, and merge combines your new settings with any pre-existing settings already made
[18:09] <tjaalton> to fully enable the device, you'd need to open it several times (pen/stylus/..) and that's not possible with hal
[18:09] <tjaalton> so the driver needs to be reworked to use NewInputDeviceRequest
[18:09] <tjaalton> the problem is that it's not exported to drivers as jcristau pointed out
[18:09] <tjaalton> I'm not sure if master is any different
[18:10] <jcristau> tjaalton: that should be easy to fix
[18:10] <tjaalton> jcristau: well yes, but to make the driver use it?-)
[18:10] <jcristau> well, hopefully not too hard
[18:10] <tjaalton> whot said that -joystick has some hack to work around the current situation, but NIDR is the preferred way
[18:11] <jcristau> but, i've never looked at linuxwacom code, so...
[18:17] <tjaalton> jcristau: bug 276357, looks fine for debian as well?
[18:18]  * Ng sure there is deeper borkage to be found in changing your hostname, but I can't specifically name anything
[18:19] <Ng> I'm just sure that NM shouldn't be doing insane things with my hostname just because I join a network :(
[18:20] <jcristau> NM shouldn't change your hostname
[18:20] <jcristau> that's utterly wrong and broken, imo
[18:20] <tjaalton> but isn't xauth useless for local users?
[18:23] <jcristau> why?
[18:23] <Ng> tjaalton: run "xauth list" :)
[18:24] <Ng> jcristau: I agree, but there are people who will be netbooting dozens/hundreds of identical images and setting the hostname from DHCP, which NM is likely to be doing from 0.7
[18:24] <Ng> it really is growing into a full system-wide network interface configurator
[18:24] <jcristau> it really has no business setting the hostname...
[18:36] <bryce> tjaalton: ideas on lp #275825
[18:36] <bryce> ?
[18:40] <tjaalton> bryce: evdev not installed?
[18:41] <tjaalton> maybe xserver-xorg-core should depend on it
[18:42] <bryce> yeah
[18:42] <tjaalton> jcristau: maybe I just don't see the point in it
[18:43] <tjaalton> or dcbw for that matter ;)
[18:43] <bryce> tjaalton: this is seen only on upgrades, not fresh installs.  My guess is maybe there was some old hal bits that omitted the x11 _driver?  See http://heh.fi/tmp/x-problem/x.log esp at the end
[18:43] <tjaalton> I remember seeing a bug about this before, where the user changes the hostname from X
[18:43] <tjaalton> um, "when X was running"
[18:44] <bryce> tjaalton: -evdev is installed
[18:45] <tjaalton> bryce: dunno, would have to look closer
[18:45] <bryce> http://heh.fi/tmp/x-problem/lshal is the lshal output - note that input.xkb.model = 'evdev'
[18:46] <tjaalton> but not driver
[18:46] <bryce> right
[18:52] <ion_> What's responsible for setting input.x11_driver?
[18:53] <tjaalton> debian-setup-keyboard
[18:53] <tjaalton> check /etc/hal/fdi/policy
[18:54] <ion_> debian-setup-keyboard doesn't seem to set anything resembling input.x11_driver
[18:54] <ion_> On another box that has been running intrepid for a while, input.x11_driver is correctly set.
[18:54] <tjaalton> right
[18:54] <tjaalton> it doesn't
[18:55] <tjaalton> but /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-x11-input.fdi does
[18:55] <tjaalton> older hal maybe?
[18:55] <ion_> That file looks right. I'll take a better look.
[18:55] <tjaalton> or you have some fdi files lying around that break it
[18:56] <ion_> I just installed a fresh 8.04 and then ran do-dist-upgrade -blahblah
[18:56] <ion_> And X didn't find HIDs.
[18:59] <tjaalton> cool, a new background image
[19:00] <tjaalton> ion_: heh.fi is down?
[19:00] <tjaalton> hm no
[19:03] <ion_> hald with --verbose=yes didn't seem to print anything interesting.
[19:03] <tjaalton> ion_: I don't see any keyboards in the lshal output, btw..
[19:03] <bdmurray> bryce: what does EDID quirk: Detailed timing is not preferred, use largest mode at 60Hz mean?
[19:04] <ion_> tjaalton: How about the "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard"?
[19:05] <tjaalton> ion_: oh, right :)
[19:05] <bryce> bdmurray: that means a quirk is needed for working around monitor brokenness
[19:05] <bryce> bdmurray: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Quirks
[19:05] <tjaalton> ion_: still, 10-x11-input.fdi is not run
[19:05] <tjaalton> or read
[19:05] <ion_> So it seems. I wonder how to debug that?
[19:05] <ion_> I'll strace hald.
[19:06] <bdmurray> bryce: could the quirk be new between hardy and intrepid?
[19:06] <bryce> bdmurray: basically it means that the edid from the monitor was saying "I like resolution foo", but that can't be trusted, so instead pick the highest resolution at 60Hz
[19:06] <bryce> bdmurray: maybe; I'd need to check
[19:08] <bdmurray> bryce: the quirks page doesn't say where to find the files with quirk information
[19:08] <bryce> bdmurray: which info exactly do you need?
[19:09] <jcristau> tjaalton: re: localuser.sh, it probably makes sense to add it. i guess i'd just like the NM people to stop being crazy...
[19:09] <tjaalton> jcristau: yeah that's another story ;)
[19:09] <bdmurray> bryce: I was jut looking at bug 273543 and saw that message in Xorg.log
[19:10] <bdmurray> bryce: Additionally, it seems like if the wiki page tells people a file to check it'd be useful to know where that file can be found
[19:11] <tjaalton> ion_: --verbose should show the order the fdi files are loaded
[19:13] <bryce> bdmurray: ah, it does say a couple paragraphs above that, the file is in the file hw/xfree86/modes/xf86EdidModes.c, however I could see how that's missed.  I'll update.
[19:14] <ion_> I renamed /var/cache/hald/fdi-cache away, it works now. According to strace, hald stat'd the x11 fdi file but never opened it.
[19:14] <bdmurray> bryce: right, where can I look at that file?
[19:15] <tjaalton> ion_: did you reboot?
[19:15] <tjaalton> ion_: after the upgrade
[19:15] <bryce> bdmurray: it's in the xorg-server package
[19:16] <ion_> Yes
[19:17] <tjaalton> ion_: bug pitti then, that cache should probably be removed at some point :)
[19:17] <ion_> Perhaps hald's postinst should just rm it. :-)
[19:17] <tjaalton> I'm not sure if it was from the hardy install or what
[19:17] <tjaalton> but nice that you found out why it didn't work
[19:22] <tjaalton> gone ->
[19:22] <bdmurray> bryce: there's no bug number referenced for the quirk used...
[19:24] <bryce> bdmurray: bummer
[19:24]  * bryce looks at the bug again
[19:26] <jcristau> seems like it's just different choices for initial configuration between the two xserver versions
[19:31] <bryce> bdmurray:    /* Acer AL1706 */
[19:31] <bryce>     if (memcmp (DDC->vendor.name, "ACR", 4) == 0 &&
[19:31] <bryce>         DDC->vendor.prod_id == 44358)
[19:31] <bryce>         return TRUE;
[19:32] <bryce> (found by searching on the prod_id number)
[19:32] <bdmurray> bryce: right I saw that, some them reference a bug number though and that one doesn't
[19:32] <bryce> yeah, next to look in upstream's git log
[19:32] <bryce> I always put in bug id's but not everyone does
[19:35] <bryce> aha
[19:35] <bryce> commit cc4eb1c7ea1bace7ed69cfd80c99d22933282ae1
[19:35] <bryce> Author: Keith Packard<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:35] <bryce> Date:   Fri Apr 13 15:04:29 2007 -0300
[19:35] <bryce>     Add quirk for Acer AL1706 monitor to force 60hz refresh.
[19:35] <bryce>
[19:35] <bryce>     This Acer monitor reports support for 75hz refresh via EDID, and yet when
[19:35] <bryce>     that rate is delivered, the monitor does not sync and reports out of range.
[19:35] <bryce>     Use the existing 60hz quirk for this monitor.
[19:35] <bryce>     (cherry picked from commit 1328a288e9030a472a915077160f090d1afd4126)
[19:37] <bryce> bdmurray:  I don't think keithp works to a bug tracker - he just knows when X is bad or good
[19:39] <bryce> bdmurray: is this giving you the info you're looking for?
[19:40] <bryce> that quirk appears to have been in the codebase since before hardy
[19:40] <bdmurray> bryce: yeah, I think so.  People could also use http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-xorg/xserver/xorg-server.git;a=tree to check for quirk info right?
[19:41] <bryce> yes
[19:41] <bryce> the one caveat is that there may be differences between that and what we actually ship in ubuntu
[19:41] <bryce> I always grab the current source, then cd into it, run './debian/rules patch', and then look at the file
[19:41] <bryce> that accounts for any quirk patches we are carrying
[19:43] <bryce> bdmurray: oh also monitor quirk bugs like 273543 can be filed against xorg-server rather than xorg
[19:43] <bdmurray> bryce: cool, I'm trying to work through the regression- tagged X bugs
[19:44] <bryce> ah cool
[19:45] <bryce> I'm making another pass through the -ati bugs today
[19:46] <bdmurray> If you see any bugs tagged unnecessarily as regressions feel free to remove the tag
[19:46] <bryce> ok
[20:18] <bdmurray> tjaalton: bug 260589 might have the information you need now
[20:21] <Sonne> hi
[20:21] <Sonne> do you think it is safe to backport xcb from intrepid to hardy?
[20:24] <bryce> Sonne: probably; why do you ask?
[20:24] <Sonne> because i want to use awesome3, and it requires newer xcb than the ones in hardy
[20:25] <Sonne> i know xcb are part of xorg's "internals", but i don't know xorg infrastructure so much to be able to determine the risk of such an action :)
[20:27] <Sonne> well i'll try, let's hope i don't break anything :)
[20:29] <Sonne> aw... i just found out that even intrepid's xcb are not new enough..
[20:29] <Sonne> i fear i will have to git
[20:29] <bryce> good luck
[20:29] <Sonne> any better ideas than git'ing lastest xcb-util, copying debian/, incrementing changelog and debuilding?
[20:29] <Sonne> :P
[20:30] <bryce> that ought to work
[20:30] <bryce> you may need to rebuild libx11 as well
[20:30] <Sonne> oh, there's no need to git, xcb 0.3.0 are out already as release
[20:30] <Sonne> hrm
[20:31] <Sonne> why's that?
[20:31] <bryce> xcb replaces some of libx11's internals.
[20:31] <bryce> but I don't know how it's all glued together internally
[20:32] <Sonne> i know less than you, so wish me luck..
[20:32] <jcristau> Sonne: xcb-util and libxcb aren't the same thing..
[20:32] <Sonne> well they pertain to the same source package
[20:33] <jcristau> no
[20:33] <Sonne> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/libxcb-event0 <-- so it says here...
[20:33] <Sonne> source is xcb-util
[20:34] <bryce> Sonne: jcristau's right.  libxcb-event != libxcb
[20:34] <Sonne> nice
[20:34] <bryce> xcb-util is a wrapper atop libxcb
[20:34] <Sonne> hrm
[20:35] <bryce> maybe you'll need to upgrade both?
[20:35] <Sonne> the package i'm trying to compile says it doesn't find xcb-{event,aux,atom,keysyms,icccm} and cairo-xcb
[20:35] <Sonne> what should i do then?
[20:35] <Sonne> except for the cairo thing, all seem to pertain to xcb-util
[20:36] <Sonne> so xcb-util and libxcb seem to be separate projects.. maybe i don't need to backport both
[20:38] <bryce> could be
[20:38] <bryce> could you pastebin the full error log?
[20:38] <Sonne> you mean cmake's?
[20:39] <bryce> yeah
[20:39] <Sonne> http://rafb.net/p/mMY4AQ88.html
[20:39] <Sonne> actually it's no longer reproducible, i've tried luck and installed the backported xcb-util
[20:40] <Sonne> now it's only complaining about cairo-xcb, i still have to figure out what the hell it's about
[20:40] <Sonne> stating to google, only people that got to compile this thing made it on archlinux
[20:41] <bryce> yeah there's probably also an xcb-enabled cairo package that it's looking for or something
[20:41] <bryce> not in ubuntu; maybe available from the cairo website
[20:41] <Sonne> maybe ubuntu's cairo already silently integrates xcb patch...
[20:42] <Sonne> i'll take a look to debian/patches
[20:43] <Sonne> nah, nothing
[20:43] <Sonne> let's take a look at cairo's website
[20:43] <jcristau> cairo in sid has the xcb backend enabled, at least
[20:44] <jcristau> i'd guess intrepid also has that
[20:44] <Sonne> hrm
[20:44] <Sonne> xcb support is included in upstream cairo
[20:44] <Sonne> but it's disabled via ./configure in debian/rules
[20:45] <Sonne> so, a little 'enable' instead of 'disable' and a debuild should do the trick
[20:45] <bryce> aha
[20:45] <jcristau> not sure what old cairo package you're looking at then..
[20:45] <Sonne> hardy's
[20:46] <Sonne> cairo-1.6.0
[20:46] <Sonne> should i backport that too from intrepid?
[20:46] <jcristau> probably not
[20:46] <Sonne> guess it's risky
[20:47] <Sonne> or maybe not
[20:47] <Sonne> on hardy's sources, xcb support is marked as "experimental"
[20:47] <Sonne> maybe it's not on intrepid's
[20:47] <Sonne> oh, on intrepid is still marked as experimental & unsupported, but it's enabled by default
[20:48] <Sonne> there must be a reason i guess
[20:48] <Sonne> well, intrepid's cairo requires too many libs from intrepid, i'll stick with 1.6
[20:49] <jcristau> the reason it's enabled in the cairo package now is that awesome 3 needed it
[20:49] <Sonne> but awesome3 isn't in intrepid either
[20:49] <jcristau> right
[20:50] <Sonne> is it being worked on?
[20:51] <jcristau> but, ubuntu packages come from debian...
[20:51] <jcristau> most of them anyway
[20:51] <Sonne> on launchpad there's just a bug report suggesting to use debian/experimental's
[20:51] <Sonne> and people exchanging their opinions
[20:51] <Sonne> no traces of "serious" work at first sight
[20:54] <Sonne> meh, now i need libev, which require debhelper >=7...
[20:55] <Sonne> i'm starting to no longer see the end of this
[20:59] <Sonne> oh my, it compiles!
[20:59]  * Sonne cheers
[20:59] <Sonne> no, it doesn't
[21:08] <Sonne> haha, now it does!
[21:08] <Sonne> thanks jcristau and bryce :)
[21:30] <bdmurray> bryce: bug 260341 seems really interesting


 @clivejo, Great Job, thanks @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie was it straight forward to publish ?
 So so
 Took two hours to download and upload it to YouTube
 https://youtu.be/issSN_G0s1Q
 @acheronuk, Good or bad?
[22:30] <acheronuk> mostly good
[23:33] <valorie> good grief matrix is bumpy today


[12:00] <Olivier67> hi
[12:00] <Olivier67> I have issues with cloud-init users creation and vmware guestinfo settings
[12:00] <Olivier67> users never get created
[12:01] <Olivier67> but as I can't login , I have no logs
[12:13] <Olivier67> I have tested the same userdata settings with a lxc container and there it works
[12:14] <Olivier67> anyone has an idea ?
[13:49] <ryland> blackboxsw: that worked. I have applied the patch. No i have a new problem. The network configuration is assigned properly, and NetworkManager is applying all the settings and regenerating resolv.conf. But it does not put the DNS config in there. I wonder if there is another patch that i am missing
[15:03] <holmanb> Olivier67: Hello o/
[15:05] <holmanb> Olivier67: Are you able to mount the image locally to grab the logs?
[15:24] <ryland> blackboxsw: ok, found that issue too. it seems that, now that i have applied the patch, cloud-init detects the OVF datasource that comes from the vmware-tools and ignores the VMware datasource. the OVF data source results in a v1 network config that does not have the general dns configuration part, so NetworkManager cannot configure it. But when I
[15:24] <ryland> am using the VMware datsource only, the NIC is not made active in VMware. I feel like my head is exploding
[16:44] <holmanb> ryland: sounds frustrating :/ You want to use the VMware datasource for networkv2, but it is using OVF. I'm catching up on the discussion, but at this point it sounds like a datasource mis-detection to me, right?
[22:19] <Olivier67> holmanb not yet I drop it today .... I will try to mount tomorrow the partition
[23:10] <Olivier67> ok now I have accessed my logs through LiveCD and I can see the logs
[23:10] <Olivier67> so apparently it says that my users are well created
[23:10] <Olivier67> but I have the following in the logs
[23:13] <Olivier67> running hidden command to protect sensitive input/output logstring: chpasswd for user
[23:14] <Olivier67> running command [ 'passwd' , '-l', 'user']
[23:21] <Olivier67> so in fact I don't know which password the cloud-init has set
[23:23] <Olivier67> Even the default user ubuntu is created
[23:30] <Olivier67> or is it only permitted to login with ssh-key ?


[08:46] <fairuz> Hi, morning. I have a question about interrupt handler. In my current interrupt handler, I disable the interrupt, do the treatment and reenable the interrupt. Is that the correct way to do it? Because it didn't work. It just recall the handler function again and again.
[08:52] <diwic> fairuz, afaik interrupts are already disabled in an interrupt handler, so don't reenable them.
[08:52] <fairuz> diwic: so I dont need to disable and reenable them? how about clearing interrupt flag?
[08:55] <diwic> fairuz, no you don't. I'm not an expert but I'd say that if there is some driver magic you need to do to tell the device that the interrupt has been handled, that should be done in your handler.
[08:55] <jjohansen> not needed
[08:56] <jjohansen> the kernel handles the disabling/reenabling of interrupts
[08:56] <jjohansen> when you register your handler you specify the type
[08:57] <jjohansen> whether all interrupts are disabled on the current processor, or just the one irq while your interrupt is being handled
[08:57] <jjohansen> your handler will need to set any bits on the hardware that may need to be twiddled because of the interrupt
[08:58] <jjohansen> and when done you return IRQ_HANDLED if you handled the interrupt
[08:58] <jjohansen> the LDD3 has a pretty good description of all this in chapter10
[09:00] <diwic> jjohansen, just as I thought then. Thanks.
[09:00] <jjohansen> diwic: yep your right, the kernel responds to the apic but the driver has to do any extra device specific twiddling
[09:02] <fairuz> jjohansen: diwic: ok i will try it and tell you guys the outcome
[09:04] <fairuz> request_irq(OMAP44XX_IRQ_PL310, pl310_irq_handler, IRQF_DISABLED, "pl310", NULL) as for my interrupt install, looks ok to you guys?
[09:09] <bullgard> After Maverick coldstarts it writes to the virtual console 1 : "System information as of Sat Mar 12 15:51:57 CET 2011. System load, Temperature, Usage of /home, Processes, Memory Usage, Users logged in, Swap usage, IP address for eth0. -- What program prints this information?
[09:12] <jjohansen> fairuz: for what little I know of what your doing it looks reasonable
[09:12] <fairuz> jjohansen: I still need to clear the interrupt flag?
[09:13] <jjohansen> fairuz: if the hardware has an specific bits to twiddle you will need to handle that, the kernel with ACK the apic and handle enabling/disabling of interrupts
[09:14] <jjohansen> so no you do not handle the interrupt flag
[09:15] <fairuz> jjohansen: so basically i just do what i want the handler to do and thats all? no extra code..that what we call magic
[09:16] <jjohansen> fairuz: pretty much
[09:22] <fairuz> jjohansen: no luck for me..i got this [  612.033447] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s! [migration/0:4]
[09:22] <fairuz> [  612.040313] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 61s! [irqbalance:827]
[09:22] <fairuz> and the kernel basically freezes
[09:23] <jjohansen> fairuz: are you taking any locks in your handler?
[09:23] <fairuz> nope, i just put a line of code (printk)
[09:24] <fairuz> jjohansen: irqreturn_t pl310_irq_handler(int irq, void *dev_id, struct pt_regs *regs){
[09:24] <fairuz> 	printk(KERN_INFO "pl310 : interrupt 0x%x!\n", readl(pl310_base + L2X0_EVENT_CNT1_VAL));
[09:24] <fairuz> 	return IRQ_HANDLED;
[09:24] <fairuz> }
[09:26] <fairuz> jjohansen: so maybe the magic can't be applied here or something like that?
[09:34] <jjohansen> fairuz: hrmm, start by disabling the printk see if you get the lockup with just an empty handler
[09:34] <fairuz> jjohansen: just tried with an empty handler and still no luck
[09:34] <fairuz> jjohansen: got the same lockup message
[09:36] <fairuz> jjohansen: what's the soft lockup anyway?
[09:37] <apw> fairuz, that is telling you that the thread in question is not completing in a timly manner
[09:37] <apw> normally cause something is in the way
[09:39] <jjohansen> fairuz: you are likely going to need some extra flags in requesting your irq
[09:42] <jjohansen> there are two other possibilities, wrong interrupt number messing things up for some reason, or you need to twiddle something on the device because not doing so is messing something up
[09:42] <jjohansen> arm socs are a little different than x86, so I am not sure there
[09:43] <jjohansen> but the kernel should be reenabling interrupts for you when your handler exits
[09:44] <fairuz> jjohansen: ok i will check first on the interrupt number. Just to confirm it
[09:46] <jjohansen> fairuz: I am thinking the second case is more likely, maybe the device will reraise the interrupt until some bit is twiddled so the kernel never gets to leave the interrupt handling code
[09:51] <fairuz> jjohansen: i will look on it too, i will start by modifying one bit of the interrupt registers
[10:00] <fairuz> jjohansen: apw: I think I found the culprit. Apparently, the counter (the hardware that I'm using) does not reset itself if it overflowed. So the value if always 0xFFFFFFFF and maybe it's that who always regenerate the interruption.
[10:01] <jjohansen> fairuz: sounds likely
[10:02] <jjohansen> rebooting
[10:13] <fairuz> jjohansen: it works now. thanks
[10:13] <jjohansen> fairuz: glad to hear its working for you
[12:55] <jjohansen> rebooting
[12:56] <ogasawara> morning
[12:58] <bullgard> After Maverick coldstarts, it writes to the virtual console 1 : "System information as of Sat Mar 12 15:51:57 CET 2011. System load, Temperature, Usage of /home, Processes, Memory Usage, Users logged in, Swap usage, IP address for eth0. -- What program prints this information?
[12:59] <soren> landscpape-sysinfo
[12:59] <soren> err...
[12:59] <soren> landscape-sysinf
[12:59] <soren> landscape-sysinfo, even.
[12:59] <soren> Wow. That was difficult.
[13:15] <bullgard> soren: Thank you very much for your help.
[13:48] <sladen> Hello all, I'm trying to answer this question, which has been outstanding for a little while:
[13:48] <sladen> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28047/where-can-i-get-the-natty-kernel-config-file/30486#30486
[13:48] <sladen> so far I've pointed them towards /boot/config-`uname -r`
[13:49] <sladen> but now re-reading they're asking for an online location of the Kconfigs
[13:49] <sladen> should I post something like  http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-natty.git;a=blob;f=arch/x86/configs/i386_defconfig;h=6f9872658dd2d66e80d8025eb7f8c40ee86b958f;hb=HEAD
[13:49] <jjohansen> sladen: that will work, or they can download the source and reconstruct it
[13:49] <sladen> jjohansen: yeah, they're specifically (from re-reading) asking for something that doesn't need downloading the whole lot
[13:50] <smb> I would say the git is not that good. It is not the config used
[13:50] <smb> but the parts that get assembled
[13:50] <jjohansen> right, you have to reconstruct
[13:50] <sladen> smb: presumably "the config" is only constructed dynamically at the point of build
[13:50] <smb> sladen, correct
[14:17] <roadmr> Hey all! I used to be able to get X memory usage info from /proc/dri/0/gem_objects, but as of kernel 2.6.38-6 (Natty recent dailies) it's gone - where can I get that information now?
[14:20] <bjf> ##
[14:20] <bjf> ## Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[14:20] <bjf> ##      agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[14:20] <bjf> ##
[14:46]  * ogasawara back in 20min
[15:19] <fairuz> what is the difference between ioctl call and a normal fwrite/write for communication between user space and kernel space
[15:54] <JFo> bjf, we have an hour, yes?
[15:54] <bjf> JFo, yes
[15:54] <JFo> think I want to address my need for lunch :)
[15:54] <JFo> thank you sir
[15:54] <JFo> bbiab
[15:57] <Kano> hi, why is there no .38 final kernel in the mainline dir only .37.4?
[16:03] <Kano> hmm now it is there
[16:27] <apw> fairuz, they both serve to carry data across the kernel boundary, but write is intended to be used for payload data, and ioctl for control data.  overall though we sometimes use additional files to use write to carry control information etc.  its about which is most natural for the use case
[16:29] <roadmr> Sorry for asking again - I used to be able to get X memory usage info from /proc/dri/0/gem_objects, but as of kernel 2.6.38-6 (Natty recent dailies) it's gone - where can I get that information now?
[16:41] <bjf> ##
[16:41] <bjf> ## Kernel team meeting in 20 minutes
[16:41] <bjf> ##
[16:41]  * JFo preps his notes
[16:58] <JayFo> well that is good to know
[16:58] <JayFo> if I pull the USB dongle for my headset out, my machine poops itself
[17:01] <vanhoof> JFo: does it panic?
[17:01] <JFo> dunno
[17:02] <vanhoof> JFo: I want to say I saw Cody having the same problem
[17:02] <vanhoof> JFo: theres a bug somewhere :)
[17:02] <JFo> Logitech dongle
[17:02]  * JFo will grab dmesg after the meeting
[17:03] <apw> JFo, which kernel, latest one /
[17:03] <JFo> this is a MAverick machine
[17:03] <apw> oh :)
[17:03] <JFo> the one I am working from
[17:03] <JFo> :)
[17:03]  * JFo eats the dog food on his nettop
[17:03] <roadmr> Actually, where did /proc/dri go??
[17:03] <JFo> but I haven't seen that on there
[17:04] <vanhoof> JFo: https://launchpad.net/bugs/715318
[17:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 715318 in linux "Disconnecting USB headset while audio playing results in kernel panic" [Undecided,Fix released]
[17:04] <apw> roadmr, on which release? seems tob be there on my natty box
[17:04] <JFo> this is without audio playing
[17:05] <JFo> but may be the same
[17:05] <JFo> thx vanhoof :)
[17:05] <apw> JFo, if mumble is runinng then 'audio input is recording' all the time
[17:05] <vanhoof> JFo: np
[17:05] <JFo> ah hah
[17:05] <JFo> so that may be exactly it
[17:06] <roadmr> apw: 2.6.38-5.32 has no /proc/dri, on 2.6.38-6.34 it's there, but /proc/dri/0/gem_objects is not <- this is what I ultimately need
[17:06] <JFo> I didn't think of that
[17:06] <roadmr> apw: so I apologize, you're right that /proc/dri is there in latest kernels
[17:08] <apw> roadmr, they appeat to be in the debugfs inforamtions
[17:10] <apw> roadmr, possibly the information you are looking for is now in /sys/kernel/debug/dri/*/i915_gem_objects
[17:10] <roadmr> apw: oh yes, /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/i915_gem_objects, thanks - is that likely to work on non-intel chipsets? like with nvidia or ati gpus?
[17:11] <apw> roadmr, no idea, not with an i915_ prefix ... you'd need to see if its even the same info or not
[17:11]  * smb would highly doubt that
[17:12] <apw> roadmr, according to the commit that moved the file to i915 specific the stats were wrong and missleading for others anyhow
[17:12] <apw> commit 73aa808f10effc280e6eb70267314542a7c29426
[17:12] <apw> Author: Chris Wilson<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:12] <apw> Date:   Thu Sep 30 11:46:12 2010 +0100
[17:12] <apw>     drm: Move the GTT accounting to i915
[17:12] <apw>
[17:12] <apw>     Only drm/i915 does the bookkeeping that makes the information useful,
[17:14] <roadmr> apw: that commit info is really useful, thanks !! it'll let me redefine the test that relied on gem_objects
[17:15] <roadmr> I really appreciate it, thanks :)
[17:18] <wendar> Bug #735601 (requested by apw)
[17:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 735601 in linux "[STAGING] Eee PC 1015PEM unstable on 2.6.38-6-generic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735601
[17:19] <apw> wendar, any idea what 'crap' you have loadded ?
[17:20] <wendar> apw: it's a pretty bare install
[17:20] <wendar> started as a fresh Maverick 10.10 in Dec
[17:20] <apw> wendar, sorry your panic is taineded 'crap' which means you have staging drivers loaded
[17:21] <wendar> what would fall under 'crap'? Broadcom wireless drivers?
[17:21] <apw> wendar, the proprietry drivers taint you 'P' which you are also so tainted
[17:21] <wendar> where would I look for 'crap'?
[17:22] <apw> wendar, i think you have something odd going on
[17:22] <apw> as you have wl(P) and brcm80211(C) both listed in your modules
[17:22] <wendar> that would be nice
[17:23] <wendar> (if it's unique to this install)
[17:23] <apw> hmmm mine is the same and no issues.
[17:23] <apw> wendar, ok ... so is it always in intel_idle when it tanks ?  see the RIP: line in your dump
[17:24] <wendar> I'm not sure (haven't been taking screenshots each time), but I suspect so
[17:24] <apw> wendar, if that is a common one you could try booting with intel_idle.max_cstate=0 a
[17:24] <apw> and see if that helps
[17:27] <wendar> do you recommend adding that to /etc/default/grub?
[17:28] <apw> wendar, well if it works you will only be booting once more forever :)  but likely so
[17:28] <wendar> okay, will try, thanks
[18:12] <ogasawara> apw, bjf: intel patsburg device id patch pushed to natty master-next
[18:12] <bjf> ogasawara, thanks
[18:13] <apw> ogasawara, AceLan_
[18:13] <apw> ogasawara, ack even
[18:14] <apw> ogasawara, drop after .38 :)  fixed it up
[18:14] <ogasawara> apw: bah, thanks
[18:17]  * apw is about to upload a .38 final kernel, anyone got anything else they think is pending for natty
[18:33] <smb> apw, There should be a fix for the fix (polarity for irq0) but that seems still underway and not in upstream
[18:37] <apw> smb, got any pointers to that?
[18:38] <smb> apw, There was a mail submitted which I could fw to you
[18:39] <smb> apw, sent
[18:39] <apw> smb thanks
[18:46] <cking> smb, that was a quick turnaround, - was that a fix from AMD
[18:47] <smb> cking, Yep, someone on linux-acpi posted his regression and Andreas fixed it up
[18:47] <smb> cking, So yes, AMD
[18:49] <cking> yay
[18:52] <apw> smb, is there any discussion that that is not final?  it sounds pretty ready
[18:53] <smb> apw, Well, it was only tested to solve the regression
[18:55] <apw> smb, whats your recommendation, in or out for the next upload ...
[18:57] <smb> apw, I would rather tend to in. There was some more xplanation on the linux-acpi thread and is seemed good.  Writing firmware that complies to the acpi spec seems really hard
[19:03] <apw> mjg59, why does that not supprise me
[19:04] <mjg59> apw: They have code that explicitly reads the pin 2 config from the apic and then changes the thermal trippoints
[19:05] <apw> nnng
[19:05]  * apw decides the right to bear arms may have its uses
[19:06] <cking> heh
[19:07] <mjg59> apw: Amazingly, they're considerate enough to set the trip temperature to the minimum temperature that Windows 98 will accept without red screening
[19:07] <cking> mjg59, so you refer to "they have code that explicitly reads the pin 2 config" - you disassembled the firmware to find this out?
[19:08] <mjg59> In the ACPI table, yeah
[19:08] <mjg59> So less heroic
[19:08] <cking> oh - that's not so bad ;-)
[19:09] <apw> mearly enough to make you need a shower
[19:10] <cking> if I got a dollar for each DSDT I read...
[19:10] <apw> cking, you might be able to afford half your extension ?
[19:10] <kamal> cking: ... the DSDT would be buggy and you'd only end up getting $0.10.
[19:11] <cking> heh
[19:23] <JFo> .10 more than he had :)
[19:37] <bjf> apw, your push to talk appears to be stuck
[19:37] <cking> it's very enlightening
[19:42]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[19:56] <apw> bjf, yeah its not so much stuck as i forget that skype doesn't need it :/
[19:56] <bjf> apw, hehe
[19:56] <apw> not a conversation i wanted to be having at all, let alone in public :)
[20:12] <kamal> apw: approximately when will the natty 2.6.38 final kernel be pushed to master?  (today or not today?)
[20:14] <apw> kamal, oh whats there (master-next) is at most one commit short i think, once my builds complete i'll be pushing it to master
[20:14] <kamal> apw: oh I'll just wait for the "official" master push then ... thanks.
[20:19] <TeTeT> apw: will the new version also make it to the lucid backports ppa?
[20:19] <apw> TeTeT, yep, it should, the last one didn't make it cause of compiler issues
[20:20] <TeTeT> apw: great :) Eager to test it. Even though on desktop machines ...
[20:44] <jbicha> hi I was trying to troubleshoot my laptop's hotkeys, several of which don't work but I can't even get the scankey produced to show up
[20:46] <sforshee> jbicha, it depends on the specific driver whether or not scancodes are reported
[20:46] <sforshee> do you happen to know what driver is used for your machine's hotkeys ?
[20:47] <jbicha> sudo /lib/udev/findkeyboards reports AT keyboard: input/event3
[20:48] <sforshee> does anything get reported for your working hotkeys on that device ?
[20:50] <jbicha> yes, I get codes when I do sudo /lib/udev/keymap -i input/event3
[20:51] <sforshee> but nothing at all for the non-working keys? Or are the keycodes just wrong?
[20:52] <jbicha> I get nothing for the "media player" button and I get Alt and F7 for the brightness-up button for instance
[20:53] <jbicha> *I mean Fn and F7
[20:55] <jbicha> oops, I get nothing for the non-working Fn combinations either
[20:56] <sforshee> I'm a little confused -- do the media player and brightness up buttons work or not ?
[20:56] <sforshee> sometimes there's a secondary device for hotkeys, and sometimes the hotkeys even show up on two different devices
[20:57] <jbicha> no, they don't work and I haven't been able to figure out the scankey they produce
[21:01] <sforshee> jbicha, what machine is this ?
[21:02] <jbicha> Toshiba Satellite L305
[21:10] <sforshee> jbicha, does 'lsmod | grep toshiba_acpi' give anything ?
[21:13] <jbicha> sforshee: no
[21:14] <sforshee> hrm, that's funny, because the AT keyboard driver seems to normally emit scancodes
[21:16] <jbicha> should I try to enable toshiba_acpi ?
[21:16] <sforshee> no, I just suspected that's where the key events were coming from
[21:17] <sforshee> this is probably a bit much to debug over irc, I'd suggest opening a bug in launchpad if you want to pursue further
[21:20] <sforshee> one other thing you could try is grepping dmesg for lines containing "Unknown key", which the AT keyboard driver will sometimes produce
[21:23] <sforshee> jbicha, iirc keymap ignores scancode without a keycode, so that might actually be why you don't see anything
[21:24] <sforshee> input-events (from the input-utils package) dumps all the events from the device, so it might be more informative
[21:27] <jbicha> dmesg hasn't produced any output for keypress and input-events doesn't show anything for the nonworking keys either
[21:29] <sforshee> okay, filing a bug is probably your best bet then
[21:32] <jbicha> thanks for your help, filed as bug 735756
[21:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 735756 in linux "Toshia Satellite L305 hotkeys not working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735756
[23:43] <lool> apw: Hey, I was wondering whether you plan to switch to the upstream linux tarball for future linux uploads now that .38 is released upstream?


[06:02] <bokjhv> dlbike76, mornin'
[09:21] <IronWaffle> Hey I've been having a problem with video on lubuntu. Video from dvds only work for a bit when I boot up my computer, then don't work after that, I have to reboot to fix it. Any idea what can be causing this? It's happening on my Dell Dimension 2400 and my eMachines 250 netbook
[09:22] <bioterror> not the first one to have problems with dvd playback
[09:23] <bioterror> I have no experience with those as I always dd if=/dev/sr0 of=Movies/movie.img and watch them with XBMC
[09:24] <IronWaffle> Not just a real dvd either, happens with iso files of dvds
[09:25] <IronWaffle> And even though I've been using linux for 2 years now I know very little command line haha
[09:41] <bioterror> are you using the gnome-mplayer?
[09:44] <IronWaffle> No I'm using VLC, but I havd mplayer installed, I need it for DeVeDe to work
[11:06] <Travis> Hello
[13:51] <rt2500pci> I run 12.04 and have an Edimax PCMCIA Wireless card which works OK on a laptop running  Debian Squeeze. The same card freezes 12.04 a few seconds after inserting it. Can anyone help me?
[15:13] <Ibra> Hello
[15:14] <Ibra> Anybody here ?
[15:34] <mathi> hi
[16:14] <leszek> hi
[16:33] <rt2500pci> I run 12.04 and have an Edimax PCMCIA Wireless card which works OK on a laptop running  Debian Squeeze BUT freezes 12.04 a few seconds after inserting it. Can anyone help me?
[16:34] <leszek> rt2500pci: so an rt2500pci chip correct ?
[16:34] <rt2500pci> yes
[16:37] <leszek> rt2500pci: did you try disabling the power saving mode with : iwconfig wlan0 power off
[16:37] <rt2500pci> before or after inserting the card
[16:37] <rt2500pci> ?
[16:37] <rt2500pci> before or after inserting the card?
[16:37] <leszek> after
[16:38] <leszek> also a dmesg or syslog would help here otherwise it would be really hard to figure out whats wrong here
[16:38] <rt2500pci> ok,  pastebin stuff will follow shorthly
[17:15] <clarz> Hi all. Why my lxpanel settings (fast launcher) always reset after reloading? All my added apps are cleared? Lubuntu 12.04
[17:24] <bioterror> good question
[17:24] <bioterror> give some rm -rf to lxpanel under ~/.config/
[17:24] <clarz> what it could be related with?
[17:25] <clarz> OS is fresh installed
[17:25] <bioterror> hard to say
[17:25] <bioterror> remove the lxpanel folder from .config
[17:25] <bioterror> and login and logout
[17:26] <clarz> what do you mean by login/out? lxpanel restart? Or service lightdm stop / start?
[17:28] <clarz> I removed that folder , restarted the lxpanel and folder is created again without panel file in it
[17:28] <clarz> I will try now to add my apps and to see if they will be reset
[21:13] <Moewe> hi
[21:43] <cheatos> Hi all, I was wondering wether it is possible to disable the notification center in LXDE? It really starts to annoy me since I upgraded my 11.04 to 12.04...
[21:53] <imark> ive just installed lubuntu on my netbook and the power button doesn't work,
[21:53] <imark> from what I can tell its a common problem but I cant fix it


[00:01] <Mamarok> evanrmurphy: can we help you?
[00:06] <defn> Hey I'm having some trouble joining #ubuntu
[00:06] <defn> It tried to test me but the tests failed
[00:06] <defn> Erm, I think it's fixed now
[00:06] <defn> Sorry
[00:13] <elky> evanrmurphy, our /topic mentions that this is a no-idling zone.
[00:16] <Mamarok> elky: third time...
[00:16] <elky> okies
[02:21] <genii> For some reason the term "duel boot" being used over and over today is bugging the hell outta me.
[02:21] <genii> (as opposed to "dual boot" )
[02:22] <Flannel> genii: You mean we don't have special shoes to wear while fighting?
[02:23] <genii> Flannel: Maybe you do, I don't :)
[02:23] <genii> I guess I'm just irritable today about it.
[02:27] <nalioth> genii: it's 'duel boot' when you install windows _after_ linux
[02:28] <genii> nalioth: Yes, sometimes it does seem an apt description
[02:30] <genii> Bleh.  Laters
[02:37] <Flannel> Bye genii!
[02:51]  * aubade puts a penny on the track and runs out
[03:23] <Flannel> Shadowwolf, ilovellama, lordofflames <-- All same person? (-ot)
[03:48] <Flannel> Hmmm, no kline for him?
[03:49] <vorian> he is no longer with us
[03:49] <vorian> (or she)
[03:51] <Flannel> thanks vorian
[03:52] <vorian> anytime
[04:30] <Flannel> Good grief.  People today.
[04:39] <Seeker`> when I was younger...
[04:39] <Flannel> and we liked it!
[04:40] <Seeker`> ...uphill BOTH WAYS
[04:42] <Seeker`> why am I not asleep
[04:42] <Seeker`> its 0442
[04:42] <Flannel> because your eyes are still open!
[04:42] <Seeker`> managed to sleep from 0000 to 0145, then 0200 to 0400
[04:42] <Seeker`> rest of the time has been just dozing
[04:43] <Flannel> Can't sleep while the evil yellow daystar is down, eh?
[04:45] <Seeker`> pretty much
[04:45] <Seeker`> was in bed at 2330, which is a really early night for me
[04:46] <Seeker`> if i'm up this early, I may as well go an queue outside a store to get an iPhone at some silly time before the stores open
[05:31] <evanrmurphy> sorry about before, didn't mean to idle
[05:32] <evanrmurphy> I signed off for the day and tend to just stay in IRC as /away
[05:32] <evanrmurphy> yes, I was being helped in #ubuntu-irc, and I may be an op soon
[05:32] <evanrmurphy> later!
[05:57] <elky> there's got to be a full moon somewhere...
[05:57] <Flannel> Theyre all on the same IP
[05:57] <Flannel> And most of the commotion is just them feeding off of each other
[06:36] <ikonia> I see panarchy has a new ISP transonictravel.com.au
[06:36] <ikonia> well, he's now ircing from his work
[06:41] <elky> ikonia, should i call them, d'ya think?
[06:42] <ikonia> he's been doing it for a while, and I've pondered pointing out their security whole (IRC/mibbit) to them
[06:43] <ikonia> first time his host as had an rdns entry though
[06:43] <elky> have we ever seen a name for him?
[06:44] <ikonia> only ever his fake "Chip D Panarchy"
[06:44] <ikonia> or "Chris Panarchy"
[06:44] <elky> does he have a domain?
[06:45] <ikonia> not that I'm aware of he seems to use free services like panarchy.blog.wordpress.org
[06:45] <ikonia> panarchy.wordpress.org sorry
[06:45] <ikonia> that sort of thing
[08:01] <bazhang> panarchy is simtoon
[08:03] <bazhang> hmm close, but perhaps not
[08:05] <elky> simtoon is the moron who was floating around with the unicode swastica ascii art the other day
[08:05] <bazhang> aha
[08:05] <elky> (iirc)
[08:05] <bazhang> similar IP but not quite the same
[08:05] <bazhang> apologies for jumping the gun
[08:06] <elky> tpgi is one of the largest in australia. they offer close to the cheapest quota
[08:07] <elky> i can also be at their corporate headquarters in 20 mins if I need to :P
[08:08] <bazhang> haha
[08:08] <elky> maybe not quite 20 mins this time of day, but certainly within the hour.
[09:07] <elky> ikonia, sleuth sources say that his name is not chip, and it's unlikely he works there.
[09:59] <dragon> !splash
[09:59] <dragon> !gnome-splashscreen-manager
[09:59] <dragon> these factoids need a fix
[09:59] <dragon> por favor
[10:03] <Myrtti> the problem with those factoids are known, we've been discussing them before.
[10:03] <Myrtti> do you have suggestions?
[10:04] <dragon> Myrtti: i'd suggest changing !gnome-splashscreen-manager to "gnome-splashscreen-manager" in the first one
[10:04] <dragon> and getting rid of the second one
[10:05] <dragon> !gconf-editor
[10:05] <dragon> this one could be assigned a definition
[10:05] <Myrtti> !splash ~= /!gnome-splashscreen/gnome-splashscreen/
[10:06] <Myrtti> so that's the first
[10:07] <Myrtti> "getting rid of the second one" explain
[10:08] <dragon> gconf-editor is a graphical tool used to maintain the GNOME desktop environment registry. For more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GConfEditor
[10:09] <Myrtti> !gconf-editor is <reply> gconf-editor is a graphical tool used to maintain the GNOME desktop environment registry. For more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GConfEditor
[10:09] <Myrtti> !gconf-editor
[10:10] <Myrtti> dragon: anything else?
[10:11] <dragon> i guess that's it for now
[10:11] <dragon> this is aaditya btw
[10:11] <dragon> see ya around
[10:11] <dragon> and, thanks
[10:16] <Myrtti> oh jesus, people in #ubuntu are doing my head in
[10:16] <Myrtti> TAKE IT AWAY
[10:18]  * elky kicks Myrtti from #ubuntu :P
[10:19] <Myrtti> "su root is exactly same thing as sudo so it's ok½½½½§§§§§11111!!!!!!1"
[10:20]  * Myrtti goes to smell satsuma potpourri oil
[10:23] <Myrtti> ubottu: tell dragon_ about exploit
[12:50] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu abdullah ban-evading again
[12:50] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/199176/
[12:50]  * Pici was trying to open his browser to check if it was the same person
[12:59] <ikonia> must be his sisterm again
[13:00] <Pici> er.. did ActionParsnip just tell cowgarden to remove the only kernel package he had installed?
[13:01] <Pici> I admit I haven't had all my caffeine yet...
[13:02] <ikonia> ha ha
[13:21] <tsimpson> no more mibbit...
[13:21] <Myrtti> wohoo!
[13:23] <tsimpson> I feel cheated, just when #k gets floodbots mibbit access is removed :p
[13:23] <Pici> Well, theres still the freenode web gateway
[13:29] <tsimpson> shouldn't be difficult to get the bots to work with freenode webchat
[13:30] <Pici> Removed all the stale mibbit exceptions from #ubuntu
[13:33] <Pici> and #kubuntu
[13:34] <ikonia> so it's officially gone
[13:35] <Myrtti_> :-þ
[13:36] <bazhang> no more mibbit? yahoo!
[13:37] <Pici> google!
[13:37] <bazhang> hehe
[13:37] <Pici> Why do people think that do-release-upgrade -d is the proper way to upgrade, I don't get it.
[13:39] <tsimpson> hey, it worked
[13:41] <Pici> it did?
[13:41] <Pici> oh, only for #kubuntu
[13:41] <tsimpson> look in #k
[13:42] <tsimpson> I tested in #k, I should be able to do the floodbots in #u too
[13:42] <tsimpson> unless anyone has any objections?
[13:49] <ikonia> Pici: because people tell them blindly to do it
[13:50] <ikonia> Pici: and -d is needed to get to the development versions so people think it's "the" way to upgrade, not the way to upgade to development versions
[13:50] <Pici> tsimpson: works :)
[13:50] <tsimpson> :)
[13:55] <tsimpson> btw, the bots still work with mibbit (in case it ever comes back)
[14:33] <Pici> !mibbit | fyi
[14:34] <genii> Now they need to do something about cgi::irc
[14:58] <Mamarok> !botsnack
[14:58]  * Pici sighs
[14:58] <Mamarok> looks a bit silly to me
[14:58] <Pici> It is.
[14:59] <Mamarok> would be ok in -ot, but in a support channel it generates noise IMHO
[15:00] <Pici> !forget botsnack
[15:00] <Pici> !botsnack-#ubuntu-offtopic is <reply> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[15:01] <bazhang> !helpersnack
[15:01] <Pici> Nothing wrong with that.
[15:01] <genii> Hehe
[15:01] <Mamarok> that's ok :)
[15:01] <bazhang> or !opsnack :)
[15:02] <Mamarok> !opsnack
[15:02] <bazhang> hehe
[15:02] <Mamarok> wow :)
[15:02] <genii> !prayer
[15:03] <Pici> I personally like having some of these funny factoids.
[15:03] <genii> Pici: Me too. It's good to break the tension sometimes
[15:03] <ikonia> some of them are quiet ammusing, I think we went a bit ocerboard sith some of them
[15:08] <Pici> oddness in -offtopic
[15:10] <genii> Pici: Yes, that same hostmask
[15:11] <Pici> genii: different idents, but still odd.
[15:12] <genii> And the lag between their individual chat entries seems suspicious
[15:15] <Pici> Its fine if they're both at the library chatting, but the fact that they won't admit that is problematic.
[15:16] <genii> Their grammar/style is also very suspiciously the same
[15:16] <bazhang> yep
[15:19] <topyli> i wonder what we should do
[15:19] <Mamarok> if their talk is not offensive or such...
[15:19]  * Mamarok has a look
[15:21] <genii> In telnet chatsite times I used to do similar messing around. I'd login as genii genii-number-2  genii-number-3     etc etc and have fistfights with myself for fun.
[15:25] <genii> I'm pretty sure thats what they're up to, actually.
[15:25] <genii> Whether it's one or two ppl
[16:28] <Pici> hah: "11:28:44 <?zer0o> the secondo message was "mount: no medium found" is kubuntu trying to talk with his dead granny?
[17:29] <genii> They should probably change that error msg from medium to media
[20:43] <Flannel> Hi McBrain, how can we help you today?
[20:43] <McBrain> hello there
[20:44] <McBrain> in fact I'm not here for help, I just experience something which, I think, could be a security problem. I'd like to talk about that, to be sure, but I don't know the procedure
[20:45] <Flannel> Security problem in Ubuntu?
[20:45] <McBrain> yes
[20:45] <Flannel> Alright, you'll file that just like any other bug, except there's a checkbox to keep it private (since its a security issue)
[20:46] <Flannel> !launchpad
[20:46] <Flannel> hmm
[20:46] <Flannel> !bugs
[20:46] <Flannel> That's a much more helpful factoid
[20:47] <McBrain> ok thank you, I'll do that then
[20:47] <McBrain> I thought that maybe there was some kind of a security channel or something. Even for linux in general
[20:49] <Flannel> There likely is
[20:49] <Mamarok> security bug can and are communicated upstream of course
[20:50] <Flannel> McBrain: The security team is #ubuntu-security, you might try poking around there
[20:52] <McBrain> right, ubuntu-hardened. I didn't thought about that name
[20:53] <McBrain> thank you very much for you time
[22:16] <Flannel> No more mibbit
[22:18] <Flannel> Howdy fta
[22:20] <fta> where should i request support for a new bug tracker? i mean, when i paste an url or foo bug xx, i want ubottu to expand it
[22:21] <fta> (hi)
[22:28] <Flannel> You might try #ubuntu-irc
[22:29] <Flannel> just because no one here who handles that stuff seems active
[22:32] <fta> Flannel, ok, thanks


 :P
[17:28] <immu> whats up
[18:26] <immu> hi Bashing-om
[18:56] <Bashing-om> immu: Back to the keyboard . Hello - what's new with you ?
[19:10] <immu> i bought apple watch series 2 Bashing-om
[19:11] <Bashing-om> immu: I stay in the dark here . what is " apple watch series 2 " ?
[19:14] <immu> its a smart watch made by apple Bashing-om
[19:14] <immu> its like mini phone on your wrist
[19:15] <Bashing-om> immu: :) that do ring a bell . Meets expectations ?
[19:28] <immu> yes Bashing-om
[19:33] <Bashing-om> immu: Then, just goes to show that Dick Tacy was not crazy :)
[19:33] <Bashing-om> Tracy*
[19:57] <Bashing-om> !pinning
[19:57] <oerheks> important update, i think:  libssl1.0.0 openssl
[19:59] <oerheks> not announced yet .. https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/
[20:00] <Bashing-om> oerheks: I caught the update last night .. glad to see the why .
[20:04] <oerheks> brb
[20:17] <immu> nope Bashing-om
[20:37] <oerheks> hmm sofar: 25-May-2017OpenSSL 1.1.0f is now available, including various bug fixes (no security fixes)
[20:37] <oerheks> 25-May-2017OpenSSL 1.0.2l is now available, including various bug fixes (no security fixes
[20:37] <oerheks> i guess no big hackers news stories
[20:43] <Bashing-om> No hacker news is good news :)
[21:03] <KennedyS> Hello, I was wondering, what games can be run on Ubuntu, I'm mostly playing cs, lol and pubg
[21:14] <\9> steam exists if you're into that
[21:14] <\9> afaik many steam games, including most valve games, now work on linux
[21:14] <\9> so cs shouldn't be a problem at least


[00:25] <ludlow> Hello. Anyone there?
[00:27] <ludlow> Hello
[00:27] <Unit193> Yes?
[00:27] <Unit193> !ask
[00:28] <ludlow> ok thaks
[00:28] <ludlow> @ask
[00:28] <ludlow> Does anyone know how ot remove a dead icon from the application menu?
[00:29] <Unit193> If you uninstall a program, it should remove its icon as well.  /usr/share/applications/ is where they all are though.
[00:29] <ludlow> Unit193, ok thanks. I will look there
[00:30] <ludlow> Unit193, the app has been removed by the icon is still present on the app menu
[00:30] <Unit193> Very odd, what one?
[00:30] <ludlow> gnumeric
[00:30] <Unit193> What'd you use to uninstall?
[00:31] <Unit193> Can you try opening synaptic, finding it, and hitting remove completely?
[00:31] <ludlow> ok let me try that first before deleting the .desktop
[00:33] <ludlow> Unit193, that did it. I guess when I did the command-line apt-get remove gnumeric it didnt remove all of is components
[00:34] <ludlow> kewl. thanks
[00:34] <Unit193> apt-get purge is the same as above.
[00:34] <ludlow> strange didnt remove it all for some reason?
[00:35] <ludlow> thanks for the help
[00:35] <Unit193> Sure.
[11:08] <average_guy> How do I lower my color depth to 16 in lubuntu 12.04?
[11:09] <bioterror> I think your color depth is atm. 24bits
[11:09] <bioterror> technically that's done from the xorg.conf
[11:09] <average_guy> where is xorg.conf located?
[11:09] <bioterror> by default it's not
[11:10] <average_guy> Ah.. now it all becomes clear
[11:10] <bioterror> it's done by the evdev and KMS handles it ;)
[11:10] <average_guy> I see
[11:10] <average_guy> thx
[11:10] <bioterror> hey
[11:10] <bioterror> one question
[11:11] <bioterror> why you want to lower your color depth?
[11:11] <average_guy> 300MHz machine
[11:11] <bioterror> and?
[11:11] <average_guy> trying to bring up resolution
[11:11] <bioterror> colors are dealth by the graphics card
[11:11] <bioterror> okay
[11:11] <bioterror> do you have 800x600 resolution now?
[11:12] <bioterror> and if you lower it to 16bit, you get 1024x768?
[11:12] <average_guy> yes
[11:12] <bioterror> okay
[11:12] <bioterror> that makes sense
[11:12] <average_guy> that is my hope
[11:12] <bioterror> first what you have to do is:
[11:12] <bioterror> ctrl+alt+f1 (log into TTY)
[11:12] <bioterror> then you stop your lightdm
[11:12] <bioterror> command is: sudo service lightdm stop
[11:13] <bioterror> next you configure Xorg
[11:13] <bioterror> command is: Xorg -configure
[11:13] <bioterror> then you move the generated config file to proper place
[11:13] <bioterror> sudo mv xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:14] <bioterror> and now you can edit it: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:14] <bioterror> after you have done all the needed tweaking, you can start lightdm again with the command: sudo service lightdm start
[11:14] <average_guy> awesome
[11:14] <average_guy> the box is next to me.  Gunna give it a shot
[11:22] <average_guy> it did not work correctly bioterror
[11:22] <average_guy> the Xorg -configure
[11:22] <average_guy> gave an error
[11:22] <bioterror> how so
[11:22] <bioterror> what kind of error?
[11:22] <average_guy> something about number of screens did not match
[11:22] <average_guy> it ran though
[11:23] <bioterror> you got xorg.conf.new?
[11:23] <average_guy> and there is a .conf file now
[11:23] <bioterror> yeah
[11:23] <bioterror> try it out
[11:23] <bioterror> ;)
[11:24] <average_guy> it needs to be rebooted?
[11:24] <bioterror> no
[11:25] <average_guy> well when I restarted lightdm nothing had changed
[11:25] <average_guy> I may need to manually raise the rez
[11:26] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Monitor_or_Screens
[11:26] <bioterror> there you have this guide
[11:26] <bioterror> you have Depth and Modes
[11:26] <bioterror> change Depth to 16 and modes to 1024x768
[11:27] <average_guy> cool
[11:31] <average_guy> my xorg.conf file has 3 different "screen" sections
[11:31] <average_guy> screen0, screen1, screen2
[11:31] <average_guy> why?
[11:35] <bioterror> hard to say :D
[11:35] <bioterror> you should have only one
[11:36] <bioterror> but that's what i'm trying to get, as I have three displays lying on my bedrooms floor ;)
[11:38] <average_guy> you want a triple monitor system?
[11:39] <average_guy> crazy
[11:39] <bioterror> yeah
[14:21] <gld1982ltd> is anyone using lxmenueditor (lxmed)?
[14:37] <manofme> hello can i install lubuntu on hdd and grub on usb flash drive so when i boot from usb it run linux and other it run windows?
[14:39] <holstein> manofme: i would use a live CD with gparted to prepare the windows partition if i needed it to be shrinked down.. i would then get an alternate install cd, and choose the destinations as needed.. install to whatever hard driver, and put grub where ever
[14:43] <manofme>  well i have alredy prepaired partitions with gparted so i want to know would installing it on hdd damange windows boot loader.
[14:44] <holstein> manofme: what is the goal?... you can always use the alternate cd and put grub where you choose.. you can always restore grub to whatever location using the live CD. you can always recover the windows bootloader
[14:44] <holstein> i would just refer to how to recover the windwos boot loader, since that can always "break" and its good to understand what is going on
[14:45] <holstein> grub will only do what you ask.. you can install linux or ubuntu or lubuntu where you want, and put grub where ever you choose, or literally no where
[14:46] <holstein> i used to install to SD cards and USB stick on my old EEE, and put grub right on the SD card or USB stick... i would choose the device from the bios and boot as needed
[14:48] <manofme> my goal is that windows boot normaly but when booting from usb run linux. i have no space on usb for full installation so i want to
[14:49] <manofme> install grub on flash
[14:50] <holstein> manofme: you can literally install grub where you choose... i would suggest the alternate install CD.. i find it easier to specify... (/dev/sdb or whtatever)
[14:51] <manofme> will it work if i choos /dev/sdc below under device for bootloader installation?
[14:51] <holstein> manofme: you can literally put it where you choose
[14:52] <manofme> ok thanks.
[14:52] <holstein> manofme: can you select that device and boot it from you bios or some other method on your machine? i do not know that
[14:52] <leszek> hi
[16:54] <alek66> Hi everyone, I want to switch from ubuntu to Lubuntu, I have it already installed and working with some services running (timemachine, netatalk, ps3media server) Is there a clean way to do this?
[16:56] <leszek> alek66: just install lubuntu-desktop this will install everything necessary to run lubuntu
[16:56] <holstein> lubuntu is not running those services by default, so you'll need to configure whatever differences you want from the default lubuntu configuration
[16:57] <holstein> just as you would need to to with ubuntu, or any other distro
[16:57] <alek66> great thanks+
[16:58] <alek66> will let you know how it went
[16:58] <alek66> luckly is a fresh install... I am allow to breakit in the worst case
[17:00] <Osmodivs> Hello. Why can't I covert a file in WinFF?  I get this, but Ido not know how to fix it, like, I want to be able to change the resolution to my little phone of 320x240 or less, Where do I tweak it?
[17:01] <Osmodivs> http://pastebin.com/x10UEdiC
[17:02] <leszek> Osmodivs: videocodec really h263 ?
[17:02] <holstein> Osmodivs: did you try avconv ?
[17:02] <Osmodivs> holstein: Well, I do not know about that, I know is a low res .avi
[17:04] <Osmodivs> I was just copying and paste from a tutorila on the Net, I do not know nothing about codecs asnd stuff
[17:04] <leszek> Osmodivs: try h264 instead
[17:04] <leszek> as videocodec
[17:07] <Osmodivs> leszek: Unknown encoder 'h264'
[17:07] <leszek> then your are missing a codec
[17:08] <leszek> try it with libx264 instead
[17:08] <leszek> btw. ffmpeg -codecs will show you all available Codecs in a nice little list if you execute it under lxterminal
[17:09] <leszek> bbl
[17:38] <Osmodivs> This is my video info: Aphex Twin.avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 640 x 480, >30 fps, video: Microsoft MPEG-4 v3, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 44100 Hz)
[17:38] <Osmodivs>  How can I convert it to .3gp using ffmpeg?
[17:39] <Osmodivs> I want to convert it to a  320x240 or less video for a Nokia c3 mobile phone
[17:39] <holstein> https://www.linux.com/community/forums/multimedia/video-converter-for-ubuntu/limit/20/offset/0
[17:40] <holstein> ive heard great things about handbrake http://handbrake.fr/?article=download
[17:40] <gld1982ltd> i have installed it, but not used it yet.
[17:41] <gld1982ltd> it looks great from my quik skim through.
[17:46] <bioterror> handbrake is nice
[17:59] <Osmodivs> Downloading
[18:08] <Osmodivs> HANDBRAKE  does not have a .3gp 0ption
[18:09] <holstein> Osmodivs: i wouldnt expect to see a button thats going to make a file for your phone.. i would expect to find a file format your phone can read
[18:09] <Osmodivs> holstein: Well, my phone can only read 3gp. I want to see a video .avi in my phone, Is it possible?
[18:10] <bioterror> ffmpeg -i inputfile.avi -s qcif -vcodec h263 -acodec aac -ac 1 -ar 8000 -r 25 -ab 32 -y outputfile.3gp
[18:10] <gld1982ltd> Osmodivs: http://goinggnu.wordpress.com/2007/02/13/convert-avi-to-3gp-using-ffmpeg/
[18:10] <bioterror> I spent 30seconds with google
[18:10] <holstein> http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/7911/i-need-a-handbrake-preset-for-a-samsung-gt-i5500-europa-please
[18:10] <gld1982ltd> lol
[18:10] <gld1982ltd> me too
[18:10] <gld1982ltd> online converter - http://video.online-convert.com/convert-to-3gp
[18:11] <holstein> NICE... i like the online options... automatially cross platform :)
[18:11] <Osmodivs> I have already tried those links before, they do not work
[18:12] <holstein> Osmodivs: in what way?
[18:12] <Osmodivs> [h263 @ 0xa47f00] Invalid pixel aspect ratio 1323/968, limit is 255/255
[18:12] <holstein> Osmodivs: and the online option?
[18:12] <Osmodivs> How do I rezise the video, or How do I do it so I do not have that error message
[18:13] <holstein> i remember doing this ages ago for an LG flip phone... it took 6 or so hours to convert and was so tiny on the phone, i decided it wasnt worth the hassle
[18:13] <Osmodivs> holstein: Well, Online may work, I just wanted to have it as a preset
[18:14] <holstein> Osmodivs: i would try getting one.. and look at it...
[18:18] <gld1982ltd1> sorry, i got disconnected. did you try the online converter, Osmodivs?
[18:19] <holstein> gld1982ltd1: wants to have a preset button to do it everytime
[18:29] <gld1982ltd1> ahh, i see. that should be easy enough once he gets the ffmpeg command right.
[18:29] <gld1982ltd1> unless he is a she.....then sorry.
[18:30] <gld1982ltd1> Osmodivs: what is teh error you are getting?
[18:41] <Osmodivs> gld1982ltd1: This is the error output http://pastebin.com/x10UEdiC
[18:45] <gld1982ltd1> have you tried mencoder? mencoder yourmovie.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=msmpeg4v2 -oac mp3lame -lameopts vbr=3 -o yourmovie.3gp
[18:54] <Osmodivs> gld1982ltd1: Online is to hard for my low bandwith, mencoder at least is doing something... I do not know though... where the result is:      Flushing video frames. Writing index... Writing header... ODML: Aspect information not (yet?) available or unspecified, not writing vprp header. Video stream:  678.035 kbit/s  (84754 B/s)  size: 30550584 bytes  360.460 secs  18035 frames  Audio stream:  123.652 kbit/s  (15456 B/s)  size:
[18:55] <gld1982ltd1> Osmodivs: did mencoder finish?
[18:56] <Osmodivs> gld1982ltd1: Yes
[18:56] <Osmodivs> gld1982ltd1:  Ah, Mecoder worked!
[18:58] <gld1982ltd1> awesome! glad i could help!
[18:58] <gld1982ltd1> as for why ffmpeg did not work, that is a quest for you my friend.
[18:59] <leszek> gld1982ltd1: it did not work because for the wrong codec + resolution
[18:59] <leszek> h263 cannot handle such a low resolution: 176x144
[19:01] <gld1982ltd1> ahhh....
[19:02] <leszek> also aac the build in ffmpeg aac is not so flexible like the faac module which works much better
[19:04] <gld1982ltd1> oh....i don't know much about that stuff. i actually found the mencoder command on google. i haven't gotten into video editing and converting......yet.
[19:22] <gld1982ltd1> anyone tried the menu editor for lxde?
[19:31] <gld1982ltd1> wow....got real quiet all of a sudden.
[19:33] <Unit193> It's normally pretty quiet in here and #lubuntu-offtopic
[19:34] <bioterror> we only talk if someone gives us a reason to ;)
[19:42] <gld1982ltd1> ahh.....i wanted to know if anyone knows how to package, or wants to join a launchpad team to help package a program.
[19:43] <bioterror> sure we've seen some motu's here :--)
[21:49] <marshall__> hey hey
[21:49] <marshall__> anyone around?
[21:50] <gld1982ltd1> hey
[21:50] <W4sp> Hi marshall__
[21:50] <marshall__> hey
[21:50] <marshall__> all right, so here's the deal
[21:51] <marshall__> i'm connecting my desktop to a new 32" monitor
[21:51] <marshall__> TV, really
[21:52] <marshall__> originally... i was just using LXDE ... when i connected my new TV the font size became incredibly small
[21:52] <marshall__> actually can only read web browsers... so i tried GNOME and XFCE and they worked fine
[21:52] <marshall__> just installed Lubuntu and the text size is larger, but still tiny
[21:52] <marshall__> any ideas?
[21:53] <marshall__> (i have a screenshot)
[21:54] <Unit193> Open lxappearance, or obconf and change the settings in there, or ssh in from another computer and edit ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[21:54] <marshall__> i can ssh, otherwise i can't see
[21:55] <marshall__> i'm not an advanced user by any means.. what exactly am i changing?
[21:55] <Joseph_> hola
[21:55] <marshall__> hi
[21:56] <Joseph_> do u speak english ?
[21:56] <marshall__> si
[21:56] <Unit193> It's an XML file, and you'll want to look for the font section(s)
[21:56] <Joseph_> spanish
[21:56] <Unit193> !es
[21:56] <Unit193> Spanish! :D
[21:57] <Joseph_> gracias ^_^
[21:57] <Unit193> Da nada!
[21:57] <marshall__> Unit193, think you could walk me through it?
[21:57] <Joseph_> tengo un error con el compiz
[21:57] <Joseph_> :P
[21:57] <marshall__> or actually.. do i have to be logged into lubuntu in order for me to make changes?
[21:57] <Unit193> (I don't actually know Spanish.)
[21:58] <marshall__> no tienes espanol, Joseph_
[21:58] <marshall__> wait, entiendo
[21:58] <marshall__> no entiendo
[21:58] <Unit193> marshall__: Actually, try ssh -X hostname    then type   lxappearance    or   obconf
[21:59] <Unit193> ssh -X does xforwarding, so it'll show the application locally.
[21:59] <Joseph_> acabo de instalar lubuntu
[21:59] <marshall__> i'm logged into xfce now.. should i log out and then logback into lubuntu?
[22:00] <Unit193> I'd say so.
[22:00] <marshall__> okay
[22:00] <marshall__> let me get on another comptuer
[22:01] <gld1982ltd1> gtg lubuntu channel.....bye
[22:01] <gld1982ltd1> and thanks
[22:01] <`Marshall> Unit193, can you pm me?
[22:02] <Unit193> I could, but what for?
[22:03] <`Marshall> idk ;(
[22:05] <`Marshall> ok.. just got into lubuntu
[22:07] <Unit193> It's right in the preferences menu.
[22:08] <`Marshall> obconf?
[22:08] <Unit193> Openbox Configuration Manager.
[22:08] <`Marshall> yeah
[22:08] <`Marshall> i changed the font sizes
[22:09] <`Marshall> but it didnt really help
[22:10] <`Marshall> like items in the taskbar, icant read
[22:10] <`Marshall> even when upping the font
[22:12] <`Marshall> although, the terminal says "failed" when i make changes
[22:13] <`Marshall> although, the terminal says "failed" when i make changes
[22:20] <`Marshall> Unit193, any ideas?
[22:23] <Unit193> Well, the settings are in there and I've edited them for someone that has bad eyesight.
[22:24] <`Marshall> but the settings arent changing the font that i'm having issues with
[22:25] <`Marshall> like i said, no problem with gnome or xfce
[22:25] <`Marshall> :(
[22:25] <W4sp> `Marshall: Did you try a different font? Just for the heck of it?
[22:25] <`Marshall> W4sp, yeah
[22:25] <`Marshall> i tried a few
[22:25] <`Marshall> although... the font size _did_ help on a few things, title bars and such
[22:26] <`Marshall> let me take a new screenshot..
[22:26] <W4sp> I have been briefly disconnected and some parts of your conversation have slipped my radar.
[22:26] <W4sp> `Marshall: Unit193 's advice is correct. Let's see what the screenshot reveals.
[22:28] <`Marshall> k
[22:28] <`Marshall> one min
[22:28] <`Marshall> gotta uploaf
[22:28] <`Marshall> upload
[22:30] <`Marshall> thanks for the help guys, btw
[22:31] <`Marshall> here's the problem from last night... slightly better using Lubuntu and then even better using Unit193's avdvice
[22:31] <`Marshall> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/10/helpme22.png/
[22:33] <W4sp> `Marshall: OK, Are you happy with the font size withim Chromium?
[22:33] <`Marshall> yeah
[22:34] <`Marshall> uploading new screenshot today
[22:34] <W4sp> `Marshall: Is the xchat font too small?
[22:34] <`Marshall> *from today
[22:34] <`Marshall> extremely too small
[22:35] <W4sp> `Marshall: Marshall, you can specify x-chat to use the desktop environment settings. However, that's not going to help you here as you use openbox.
[22:36] <`Marshall> okay, here's what i'm doing today
[22:36] <`Marshall> http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2789/toosmall0813.png
[22:36] <`Marshall> notice the clock in the bottom right, xchat, desktop icons
[22:36] <W4sp> `Marshall: What you require is Xdefaults or Xsession settings as x-chat does not read from the XML file. May Unit193 correct me if I'm wrong.
[22:37] <`Marshall> also, see the text on the taskbar?
[22:40] <Unit193> Not used xchat, but I'd say the settings would have to be changed in there.
[22:40] <W4sp> `Marshall: Yes, far too small. I cannot comment ot the status bar as of yet.
[22:42] <W4sp> `Marshall: Do you have .xinitrc or .xsession in your ~/ ?
[22:42] <marshall__> i can check
[22:42] <marshall__> also, bumped up the font on xchat... i can see better now
[22:42] <marshall__> but.. the channel selector at the top are still small
[22:43] <W4sp> `Marshall: I am wrong.  I don't have it either on the current system, I would otherwise assist you further. The principle is that the file is read by your DE on startup or with xrdb -merge or -load or -override
[22:47] <marshall__> where can i get it? O.o
[22:48] <W4sp> `Marshall: Ask the author. ;-) You can certainly get mine but there are better examples on the net I suppose.
[22:49] <marshall__> oh you mean for xchat?
[22:49] <W4sp> `Marshall: marshall__ Did you change your nick? Confused.
[22:49] <marshall__> two computers
[22:49] <W4sp> marshall__: For openbox.
[22:50] <marshall__> W4sp, when i installed lubuntu it asked me which WM to use and i chose "LXDE"
[22:51] <marshall__> is that not the same as what you're talking about?
[22:51] <W4sp> It is an overlall trend that everyone uses it's own stuff and rc structure. Besides, I would rather stick needles in my eyes than to make a DE with XML and INI.
[22:51] <W4sp> I thought you have a different DE.
[22:51] <marshall__> so it's still based off of openbox?
[22:52] <W4sp> Anyway, it doesn't matter. x-chat looks into Xresources or Xdefaults.
[22:52] <marshall__> i have GNOME, LXDE, XFCE, and now Lubuntu
[22:52] <marshall__> i see
[22:52] <marshall__> xchat is at least usable now
[22:52] <marshall__> what can i do about the taskbar and clock?
[22:53] <marshall__> and desktop icons
[22:54] <W4sp> It's like this.. in Xdefaults you have xchat*font: 16 or something like that.
[22:55] <kanliot> xchat-gnome works for me, lets you choose font
[22:56] <W4sp> marshall__: For you icons I can't help and for your status bar I simply don't know. That's probably in the documentation.
[22:56] <marshall__> kanliot, me too. just the channel switcher is too small for me now
[22:56] <W4sp> marshall__: See, there's help from kanliot .
[22:57] <marshall__> xchat - 99% fixed
[22:57] <kanliot> xchat-gnome is a differnt app than xchat
[22:57] <marshall__> the other issues, not being able to see into menus, clock, taskbar, desktop, etc are more pressing
[22:59] <W4sp> marshall__: How do you mean 'see into menues...'?
[23:00] <marshall__> the menus, such as the "start" button equivalent... i can't see the items. almost all of my text is too small to see
[23:00] <marshall__> and when i open terminal
[23:00] <marshall__> it's too small to see
[23:00] <W4sp> marshall__: For Terminal... Do you use xterm?
[23:01] <marshall__> i have xterm, uxterm and terminal (gnome)
[23:02] <marshall__> but even after changing the font size, it's still too small. it's just not as smooth as other DEs
[23:02] <marshall__> although, before i switched to this monitor...everything was fine
[23:02] <marshall__> everything as in, LXDE
[23:03] <W4sp> OK, let's do a minor check on your xchat so we get that one sorted out. Do you have xprop installed?
[23:04] <marshall__> not that i'm aware of.. not sure what that is
[23:04] <marshall__> (or how to find out)
[23:04] <marshall__> not sure if you were around before, W4sp, but i'm a big dumb newbie :P
[23:04] <W4sp> marshall__: OK, in xterm type xprop
[23:05] <W4sp> Up comes tiny cross. Click into x-chat. The xterm will give you some output. That's vital inforamtion.
[23:05] <marshall__> turned into a crosshair and loaded a lot of info...so i assume it worked
[23:05] <W4sp> OK, did you click into xchat?
[23:06] <marshall__> yes
[23:07] <W4sp> Good. Somewhere it tells you if it uses .Xdefaults, doesn't it?
[23:07] <marshall__> checkign
[23:09] <marshall__> W4sp, no idea
[23:10] <marshall__> kind of hard to read
[23:10] <marshall__> any idea where it would be?
[23:13] <W4sp> marshall__: Well, the output is not too difficult to read. Given we didn't fix your terminal yet it probably is. :-(
[23:13] <marshall__> i got an idea
[23:13] <marshall__> copying/pasting terminal results into xchat
[23:13] <W4sp> I would just try .Xdefaults in your home directory. That's the key to get your xterm and xchat working.
[23:14] <marshall__> xchat is 99% fine
[23:14] <W4sp> marshall__: Don't, please. That's flooding. We have pastebin for that/
[23:14] <W4sp> !flood
[23:14] <marshall__> only issue is the channel selector is small
[23:14] <marshall__> readable, but small
[23:15] <marshall__> i was going to paste into a dialog window with myself :P but pastebin works
[23:15] <W4sp> I dont use x-chat, no idea what that is. You can run xchat tabbed or with tree view.
[23:16] <marshall__> yeah my tabs are what's small
[23:17] <marshall__> everything else is fine
[23:17] <marshall__> i was going to open a chat box with myself to paste
[23:17] <marshall__> but... http://paste.ubuntu.com/1145860/
[23:17] <W4sp> I anyway need to go. I think I gave you some ideas on how to fix it (.Xdefaults) as these programs usually read from it. Also, see xrdb above. Re. icon size I'm pessimistic as it requires larger files, though it can be manipulated as well.
[23:18] <marshall__> thank you
[23:20] <W4sp> marshall__: Unfortunately your version does not seem to use it. But I would suggest to give it a try as well. You need to know "xchat" and "Xchat" are the keys.
[23:21] <W4sp> marshall__: Further, LXDE msut have it somewhere documented how to increase the menu fonts.
[23:21] <marshall__> ok :)
[23:21] <marshall__> i'll see if i can get help from those guys
[23:21] <W4sp> marshall__: As for xterm the keys are XTerm and xterm.
[23:22] <marshall__> ty
[23:22] <W4sp> That would be it from me for the time being. I will see what I can figure out re. openbox/lxde
[23:22] <marshall__> awesome
[23:22] <marshall__> i appreciate it
[23:42] <Ahmuck> hi.  i have lubuntu but no audio.  any help would be appreciated.
[23:52] <kanliot> have you tried alsamixer?
[23:52] <Ahmuck> yep
[23:54] <kanliot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[23:54] <kanliot> also, how many sound devices do you have?
[23:54] <kanliot> what are they?