[00:00] <shadeslayer> have you tried setting it to the horizontal layout?
[00:00] <shadeslayer> :P
[00:02] <yofel> uhm, that now still covers the panel, but now above the icon. It doesn't cover the icon anmore. And seriously... looks horrible...
[00:02] <yofel> nvm I guess
[00:02] <shadeslayer> yofel: screenshot?
[00:03] <shadeslayer> and haggle tdfischer to fix it for vertical panels maybe ? :D
[00:04] <yofel> I would actually already be happy once it stops covering the panel: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/km.png
[00:04] <yofel> (i.e. make it use plasma...)
[00:05] <shadeslayer> uhh
[00:05] <shadeslayer> yofel: I think you can move it a bit
[00:05] <shadeslayer> and then doesn't it remember window position?
[00:05] <yofel> not movable here
[00:06] <shadeslayer> most interesting
[00:06] <yofel> that's the icon popup, not the mixer window
[00:06] <shadeslayer> bbiab
[00:10] <shadeslayer> most interesting
[00:10] <shadeslayer> I think it used to move
[00:11] <shadeslayer> and it respects the panel width when in vertical position, so something must be messed up in the horizontal layout
[00:12] <shadeslayer> *shrug*
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: what's teh screenie?
[08:26] <debfx> ok, so running list-missing is not a problem but lintian can only be run if we make pkg-kde-tools depend on it in the ppa
[08:26] <debfx> which is a problem as we could miss required build-dependencies that are pulled in by lintian
[09:08] <bambee> Riddell, apachelogger:  the move is done by 1/debian-qt-kde.mk and dh_movelibskdeinit :)
[09:27] <debfx> more likely by 2/debian-qt-kde.mk since most packages don't use cdbs anymore
[10:08] <isemenov> Riddell: hello! sorry for the delay, I've just added a PGP key to my launchpad account
[10:09] <isemenov> so, afaiu, now I can request a ppa and start using it/
[10:14] <yofel> isemenov: did you sign the CoC yet?
[10:15] <isemenov> yofel: oh right, I've forgotten to do that
[10:15] <isemenov> thanky ou for the reminder
[10:15] <yofel> isemenov: https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct
[10:18] <isemenov> yofel: done
[10:19] <yofel> isemenov: if you go to your launchpad profile, you should now have a "Create a new PPA" entry there
[10:22] <yofel> when you create a ppa, carefully choose the url name, you can't change that later and you can't (properly) delete a PPA so far. There is a delete button, but all that does is turn your ppa into a zombie
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:34] <apachelogger> jtechidna: the screenshot is a mockup of a package manager :P
[12:25] <debfx> yofel: do you have an idea how to fetch build logs from private PPAs?
[12:28] <yofel> you need to login with an account that has access to the ppa, login_anonymous() won't work
[12:29] <yofel> you can use a credentials file if you don't want to depend on the keyring
[12:31] <debfx> yofel: I can get the build log url but downloading it requires launchpad.net SSO login
[12:33] <yofel> well, yes, you need to login once to verify that you have permissions to download the file
[12:34] <yofel> only way to skip that is to use a credentials file that's already authenticated
[12:35] <yofel> i.e. use something like: lp = Launchpad.login_with("fetch_logs", "production", credentials_file="/home/yofel/.cache/lp_credentials/creds.txt")
[12:35] <debfx> can you fetch the log through the api?
[12:35] <yofel> uh, sure?
[12:35] <yofel> sec
[12:36] <debfx> I only found a method that returns an url that you can download through http(s)
[12:37] <yofel> well, that's what I do here actually, and it works
[12:37] <yofel> debfx: http://paste.kde.org/492176
[12:38] <yofel> originally for neon, but with 2 changes so it works for ninjas
[12:38] <debfx> that works for ninjas o_O
[12:40] <yofel> hm
[12:40] <yofel> no
[12:40] <yofel> -.-
[12:40] <yofel> read the wrong file, sorry
[12:41] <yofel> indeed only returns the openid stuff
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: halp: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1021373/
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> (the 1.3 branch does exist)
[15:27] <Adityab> Is there a QtWebkit ppa where I can get the latest/nightly version?
[15:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you should not name branches like that TBH
[15:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what's your command line?
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: ./libqapt.rb
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> here's the rc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1021465/
[15:48] <apachelogger> no args?
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> I just put the stuff in the dialogs that come up
[15:49] <apachelogger> ah
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> take l10n from stable, version 1.3.2
[15:50] <apachelogger> login for getting raw text
[15:50] <apachelogger> win
[15:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: let's not use puc anymore plz
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> it's a bit early in the morning for acronyms, what's puc again?
[15:50] <apachelogger> paste.ubuntu.com
[15:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: Switching to branch 1.3...
[15:50] <apachelogger> Branch 1.3 set up to track remote branch 1.3 from origin.
[15:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: is your releaseme clone up to date?
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I did a git pull and copied lib/ over
[15:52] <apachelogger> something's broken there :P
[15:52] <apachelogger> works just fine for me
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> :s
[15:52] <apachelogger> checking l10n from trunk and setting version to 1.3.2
[15:52] <apachelogger> ah
[15:52] <apachelogger> stable
[15:52] <apachelogger> though that should not make a difference
[15:53] <apachelogger> yah, now diff
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> weird
[15:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: rm -rf libqapt-1.3* && ./libqapt.rb
[15:53] <apachelogger> otherwise just copy your rc to releaseme and run it from there
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> same from releaseme git checkout :(
[15:57] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what's your gitconfig looking like?
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> uh, how do I check that?
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> here's the releaseme output tho: http://paste.kde.org/492290/
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> oh, ~/.gitconfig
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> here: http://paste.kde.org/492296/
[15:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: cat ~/.git/config ~/.gitconfig
[16:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: if you go in the dir and try git checkout 1.3 what happens?
[16:02] <JontheEchidna> "Already on '1.3'"
[16:02] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:02] <apachelogger> so where is that error coming from :O
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> :(
[16:03] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/492302
[16:04] <apachelogger> that is all it does with git
[16:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: your rc does not do a local clone?
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> can you tell if it does from this? http://paste.kde.org/492290/
[16:06] <apachelogger> no
[16:06] <apachelogger> I mean, is the rc you pasted your actual rc :P
[16:06] <apachelogger> or do you have a local clone as gitrepo
[16:06]  * apachelogger points out that for amarok they used to have local clones as it is 30000% faster
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> the libqaptrc is the one that gets used
[16:06] <apachelogger> in fact that is the reason you can define a git url to begin with ^^
[16:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: let's printf debug this a bit
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> for ex. if I change the branch to "poop"
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> Switching to branch poop...
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> error: pathspec 'poop' did not match any file(s) known to git.
[16:09] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/492308/
[16:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> ./lib/vcs-git.rb:25: undefined local variable or method `repo' for GIT:Module (NameError)
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> uhm, something messed up
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: mind passing --no-prefix to git diff so I can apply the patch?
[16:13] <apachelogger> just git apply?
[16:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also drop the puts repo
[16:14] <apachelogger> it is not used with git it seems
[16:14] <apachelogger> bbiab
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> git apply doesn't do anything w/ that patch
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> oh, because I'm not in releaseme's git
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/492314/
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> wtf
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> jonathan@jonathan-laptop:/tmp/libqapt-1.3.2$ git branch
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> * master
[16:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well
[16:26] <apachelogger> git branch -r
[16:26] <apachelogger> anyhow
[16:26] <apachelogger> plz try the command sequence there
[16:26] <apachelogger> git clone --depth 1 git@git.kde.org:libqapt libqapt-1.3.2
[16:26] <apachelogger> cd libqapt-1.3.2 && git checkout 1.3
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> I did that and it failed
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> same error as the releaseme script had
[16:28] <afiestas> launchpad is taking 10h to build a package, can someone build it for me so at lest I know the debian/control things are working?
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> afiestas: what pkg?
[16:28] <afiestas> https://code.launchpad.net/~afiestas/+recipe/samba-mounter-daily
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> I'll run it through pbuilder
[16:29] <afiestas> JontheEchidna: thanz !
[16:31] <apachelogger> stupid lunchpad
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> afiestas: the packaging looks to be for webaccounts, not samba-mounter
[16:34] <afiestas> JontheEchidna: uh
[16:34]  * apachelogger further notes that samba-mounter is not properly licensed
[16:34] <afiestas> I forgot to s/// something
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[16:34] <apachelogger> hehe
[16:34] <apachelogger> we should like make a script for kde packages
[16:35] <apachelogger> it's really just stealing the packaging from somewhere else and doing replacement on it
[16:35] <afiestas> mmm
[16:35] <afiestas> greping the debian/ folder not 1 appearence of webaccounts
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~afiestas/samba-mounter/debian/view/head:/debian/control
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> could be that you forgot to push ;-P
[16:36]  * apachelogger recommends checkouts
[16:36] <apachelogger> for packaging
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: btw
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> jonathan@jonathan-laptop:/tmp/libqapt-1.3.2$ git branch -r
[16:36] <JontheEchidna>   origin/HEAD -> origin/master
[16:36] <JontheEchidna>   origin/master
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> so something is wrong with the checkout business
[16:37] <afiestas> a shit I see
[16:37] <afiestas> xD
[16:37] <apachelogger> prolly depth
[16:37] <afiestas> the copy paste pasted .bzr dir
[16:37] <afiestas> xD
[16:37] <afiestas> copy paste is so fucking evil
[16:37] <JontheEchidna> lol
[16:37] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yeah, exactly. without --depth 1 it works
[16:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://paste.kde.org/492320/
[16:38] <apachelogger> I don't get it
[16:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what's your git version?
[16:39] <afiestas> is there any magic baazar command that will smash the wrong pushed branch?
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> Installed: 1:1.7.10-1
[16:39] <afiestas> it is bitching that the branch has "diverged"
[16:39] <apachelogger> afiestas: --force?
[16:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: git broke something I say
[16:40] <afiestas> bzr push --force lp:~afiestas/samba-mounter/debian
[16:40] <afiestas> bzr: ERROR: no such option: --force
[16:40] <apachelogger> on 1795 it still works
[16:40] <apachelogger> afiestas: --overwrite
[16:40] <apachelogger> mental note: bzr does not use common arguments, that would make it easier to use
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> removing --depth seems to work as a workaround for now
[16:40] <afiestas> JontheEchidna: done :p
[16:41] <afiestas> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~afiestas/samba-mounter/debian/view/head:/debian/control
[16:41] <afiestas> xD
[16:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it might be intended
[16:41] <apachelogger> it might not
[16:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what does man git clone have to say about depth?
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> "Create a shallow clone with a history truncated to the specified number of revisions"
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> e.g. don't also download the whole freakin' history :P
[16:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that's all?
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> I suppose that they went even further than just downloading the last revision, and now only download the master branch :s
[16:44] <apachelogger> well
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/492332/
[16:44] <apachelogger>        Clones a repository into a newly created directory, creates remote-tracking branches for each branch in the cloned repository (visible using git branch
[16:44] <apachelogger>        -r), and creates and checks out an initial branch that is forked from the cloned repository’s currently active branch.
[16:44] <apachelogger> so it should always have the remote trackings
[16:44] <apachelogger> regardless ofshallow or not
[16:44] <apachelogger> IMHO
[16:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: nothing changed there
[16:45] <apachelogger> well
[16:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I'd go check with git upstream if that is intended behavior
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> afiestas: dpkg-source: error: syntax error in samba-mounter/debian/control at line 14: line with unknown format (not field-colon-value
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> needs a space as the first char :P
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> dpkg-source: error: source package has two conflicting values - samba-mounter and samba-mount
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> needs to be samba-mounter in debian/changelog, I suppose
[16:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://paste.kde.org/492338/
[16:49] <apachelogger> please try this
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: works :D
[16:52] <afiestas> JontheEchidna: try again plz
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> afiestas: I made those changes locally and I'm now pbuilding it :P
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> ugh, I have to go for an hour or two, bbiab
[16:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: plz verify thatnew master works for you
[17:25] <jussi> Have we all read the thoughts in here? http://ubuntuwicohan.blogspot.fi/2012/06/kde-and-application-management.html
[17:27] <apachelogger> jussi: TLDR
[17:28] <sreich> hah, indeed
[17:28] <sreich> "Another frustration is the inability to get Dolphin to use collation order or otherwise sort filenames by upper and lower case rather than mixing case together."
[17:28] <sreich> isn't that what natural sorting is? or am i wrong?
[17:31] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/03/plasma-desktopLy3283.png
[17:32] <apachelogger> no clue what he means
[17:32] <apachelogger> oh
[17:32] <yofel> ascii sorting?
[17:33] <apachelogger> perhaps A AA Ab
[17:33] <apachelogger> then a aa ab aB
[17:33] <yofel> more like, a b c A B C
[17:33] <yofel> well, yeah
[17:33]  * apachelogger doesn't see the point, but oh well
[17:34] <apachelogger> dolphin has grown way too fat already
[17:34] <apachelogger> much like dragon
[17:34] <yofel> doesn't matter usually, unless you want to find something in another application that uses a different sorting behaviour. Then it's slightly annoying
[17:35] <yofel> way to fat? Recently someone complained that dolphin 2 dropped some feature
[17:35] <apachelogger> doesn't all of Qt use the kfiledialog?
[17:35] <yofel> can't remember what it was
[17:35] <apachelogger> and in turn the dolphin part
[17:35] <apachelogger> yofel: look through the menus
[17:35]  * apachelogger couldn't find shit if he wanted to
[17:35] <yofel> uhm... it's less fat than konqueror
[17:35] <apachelogger> still too fat
[17:36] <apachelogger> just like dragon, I tell you
[17:36] <apachelogger> only yesterday I created branches to add yet more menu options in dragon
[17:36] <apachelogger> not even sure why
[17:36] <yofel> having more features is KDE-like
[17:36] <apachelogger> having too many is also KDE-like
[17:36] <yofel> otherwise you would have a Qt-fied pcmanfm
[17:37] <apachelogger> in dragon 4.10 there will be a way to toggle *every* UI element
[17:37] <yofel> 4.10? what version scheme's that?
[17:37]  * apachelogger plans on remove all but menubar toggle and tell people to edit the ui.rc file
[17:38] <yofel> and you're talking about over-engineering things...
[17:38] <apachelogger> yofel: 9 < 10 < 11, no?
[17:38] <yofel> $ dolphin --version
[17:38] <yofel> Dolphin: 2.0
[17:38] <apachelogger> yofel: no I am talking about cluttering the UI with pointless crap
[17:38] <apachelogger> because some user somewhere at some point wanted it
[17:38] <yofel> 2.0 -> 4.10 makes no sense
[17:38] <apachelogger> like audio cd playback in dragon
[17:39] <apachelogger> yofel: dragon
[17:39] <yofel> errrr
[17:39]  * apachelogger points out that the version stuff gives him a major headache
[17:39] <yofel> Dragon Player: 2.0
[17:39] <apachelogger> yofel: yeah
[17:39] <apachelogger> it's been like that since KDE 4
[17:39] <apachelogger> despite having undergone complete code destructions since then
[17:40] <yofel> well, I'm just wondering what happened to 3
[17:40] <yofel> and where the 10 comes from
[17:40] <apachelogger> pending UI concept
[17:40] <apachelogger> yofel: KDE SC 4.10
[17:40] <yofel> ah, ok
[18:08] <afiestas> apachelogger: mini-bangarang for dragon3/4 whatever FTW
[18:08]  * afiestas is addicted to bangarang
[18:09] <apachelogger> mini-what?
[18:09] <afiestas> bangarang ?
[18:09] <apachelogger> what is a mini-bangrang though?
[18:10] <afiestas> an app based on bangarang concepts but smaller without all the advanced options
[18:11] <bulldog98> yofel: what to do for uploading with a new tarball?
[18:11] <yofel> rename the tar to 4.8.80a, edit changelog and whatever else that's needed, upload
[18:12] <tsdgeos> lo guys, how am i supposed to compile soprano if i can't install libiodbc ?
[18:12] <CIA-44> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/nepomuk-core] Philip Muškovac * 2 * debian/ (6 files in 2 dirs) * new upstream tarball * drop now uneeded patches * make sure no package depends on kde-runtime
[18:13] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: hm?
[18:13] <yofel> tsdgeos: use unixodbc-dev
[18:13] <yofel> and I think there's a patch to drop the requirement on libiodbc
[18:14] <tsdgeos> yofel: i do have unixodbc-dev installed, soprano still refuses to compile
[18:14] <tsdgeos> any idea where that patch is?
[18:14] <tsdgeos> compile [the virtuoso backend]
[18:14] <bulldog98> yofel: should I also commit the change in the changelog?
[18:14] <yofel> apt-get source soprano, then look in debian/patches
[18:15] <yofel> bulldog98: not sure, I usually don't
[18:15] <yofel> tsdgeos: why do you need to build soprano?
[18:15] <yofel> just curious
[18:15] <tsdgeos> yofel: why wooldn't i want to build stuff?
[18:15] <tsdgeos> it's my computer
[18:15] <tsdgeos> i do stuff on it
[18:15] <yofel> nvm me then ^^
[18:16] <tsdgeos> yofel: i could tell you that as 4.9 beta 1 packager dude i want to test the packages i created
[18:16] <tsdgeos> but does it matter who or what i am?
[18:16] <tsdgeos> stuff should be compilable
[18:16] <bulldog98> tsdgeos: really :)
[18:16] <tsdgeos> and it's a shame one needs to dig in ubuntu soprano patches to be able to compile it
[18:16] <yofel> well sorry for asking
[18:16] <tsdgeos> bulldog98: yes, really
[18:17] <yofel> I think it's a debian thing, and it bit me once too
[18:17] <bulldog98> tsdgeos: if you find my sarcasm you can keep it :P
[18:17] <tsdgeos> bulldog98: i will
[18:17] <tsdgeos> i'm a greedy ma
[18:17] <tsdgeos> n
[18:19]  * tsdgeos uses the no-odbc-dm patch
[18:21] <yofel> for reference, see bug 901638
[18:23] <tsdgeos> doesn't really say
[18:23] <tsdgeos> why iodbc2 needs to be killed
[18:23] <tsdgeos> why the patch it's not upstream
[18:23] <tsdgeos> but, oh well
[18:24] <tsdgeos> can't expect people to be nice with eachother :D
[18:24] <yofel> multiarch reasons, debian bug 639300 says more
[18:24] <yofel> and libiodbc2 seems unmaintained
[18:28] <tsdgeos> that's bad
[18:37] <CIA-44> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkcddb] Philip Muškovac * 2 * debian/changelog new upstream tarball
[18:42] <yofel> hm
[18:43] <yofel> changing '+repack' to 'a' makes the version lower :S
[18:43] <tsdgeos> :D
[18:43] <yofel> someone got a good idea what to do as the new tars don't need a repack?
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> afiestas: it built fine after those changes :)
[19:05] <afiestas> JontheEchidna: thx !
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: master works too
[19:13]  * yofel removed the old packages and re-uploaded
[19:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: thx
[19:14] <CIA-44> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkcompactdisc] Philip Muškovac * 4 * debian/changelog new upstream tarball
[20:09] <CIA-44> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/nepomuk-core] Philip Muškovac * 3 * debian/ (4 files in 2 dirs) import kubuntu_strigi_ram_detection.diff from kde-runtime package as the code was moved here
[20:20] <ejat> hi .. sorry to interupt .. is someone working on the amarok 2.6 beta 1 ? since there is already in debian http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.kde.extras/11846
[20:21] <yofel> doesn't seem like it, thanks for pointing to that
[20:22] <afiestas> is possible to builkd a package locally and upload it to a ppa?
[20:23] <yofel> afiestas: build locally: yes, upload to ppa: yes, upload locally built binaries to ppa: NO
[20:32] <CIA-44> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/nepomuk-core] Philip Muškovac * 4 * debian/ (nepomuk-core-dev.install not-installed) put dbus interface XMLs into nepomuk-core-dev
[22:44] <CIA-44> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime] Philip Muškovac * 276 * debian/ (13 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[22:44] <CIA-44> - drop libnepomukdatamanagement.so override from kde-runtime.lintian-overrides -
[22:44] <CIA-44> drop libnepomuksync4 package, moved to nepomuk-core - drop obsolete
[23:22] <apachelogger> ~/src/bzr/skeletor
[23:22] <apachelogger> ^^
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> obligatory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4
[23:42] <apachelogger> that ended too soon
[23:42] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GggY4TEYbk&feature=related
[23:42] <apachelogger> bettar


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[23:04] <JackFrost> awordnot: ↑ :P  I don't suppose you've had a chance to check out that oddity I mentioned?
[23:08] <awordnot> JackFrost: the panel plugin remove confirmation box? I tried it locally but didn't see anything obviously out of place, though the OK/Cancel buttons were a bit wide
[23:08] <awordnot> could you elaborate and/or send a screenshot?
[23:09] <JackFrost> awordnot: Yeah in that and thunar, I suppose it could be the theme too but the close button is gone at the top right too.  I'll grab a screenshot, sure.
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[23:12] <JackFrost> awordnot: https://unit193.net/thunar.png ?
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[23:18] <awordnot> JackFrost: here's what I get: https://i.imgur.com/J4mKyZK.png
[23:18] <JackFrost> ...Odd.
[23:19] <ochosi> JackFrost: isn't that gtk-dialog-use-header=TRUE on your end?
[23:19] <awordnot> ah - that might be it - I have it set to FALSE here
[23:19]  * awordnot has to step away for a bit
[23:19] <JackFrost> I don't have it set, so yes it's likely my stupidity. :D
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[23:25] <JackFrost> ochosi: Thanks. :3
[23:25] <JackFrost> ochosi: Also thanks for the hidden bracket option in xfce4-panel.  I know it doesn't look as nice, though noticed it's quicker at a glance to see if something is minimized.    Ignore me! :D
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[23:26] <ochosi> cool, good to hear it helped :)
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[23:39] <awordnot> JackFrost: no worries, glad we got that figured out :)
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[03:03] <juanantonio3> Hello. How can I install flash player in Lucid?
[03:04] <juanantonio3> for Chromium, of course
[08:11] <charliemac> I really couldn't figure out how to do a network installation of Lubuntu, so I had to go with the the Natty Narwhal (11.04)
[08:12] <charliemac> Any recommendations for a quicker combo (DM/DE) than GDM and Gnome?
[08:19] <avelldiroll> lxdm/lxde is pretty "quick" in comparison to gdm/gnome ... the dm doesn't have much influence though ... openbox without lxde could be even "quicker" depending on how you define "quick" for a machine
[08:21] <charliemac> What makes booting slow (before I can log in), loading the display manager, or loading the desktop environment?
[08:22] <avelldiroll> installing from the network could be done from a mini.iso netboot https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot and then follow the config of lubuntu from the mini.iso https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
[08:23] <avelldiroll> charliemac: module loading and services will increase the boot time
[08:24] <avelldiroll> charliemac: but if you switch on and off your machine frequently i would strongly advise tu use suspend or hibernate
[08:27] <charliemac> Is suspend (with which i'm not familiar) the same as hibernate(with which i am fairly familiar)?
[08:27] <charliemac> avelldiroll: ^^
[08:28] <avelldiroll> charliemac: no it is not ... suspend saves the system state in memory, whereas hibernate saves the system state on the harddisk
[08:30] <avelldiroll> suspended system are booting much faster, but need to to be kept connected to a power source, but won't eat too much power
[08:33] <charliemac> avelldiroll: good to know, since my laptop battery is quite old.  hibernation it is!
[08:40] <charliemac> How can I adjust screen resolution when monitor is unknown?
[08:49] <avelldiroll> xrandr if you are using non proprietary drivers
[09:06] <bioterror> oh no, he's back
[09:17] <bioterror> so charliemac, is there a difference between a real filesystem and fat32?
[09:18] <bioterror> charliemac, and what you pasted yesterday about NTFS was total BS as it was written in 2005
[09:18] <bioterror> and 2005 there was no NTFS-3G or NTFS-FUSE drivers for NTFS
[09:19] <bioterror> someone was feeding FUD to us
[09:19] <charliemac> FUD?
[09:19] <charliemac> Maybe i'll reformat that partition ;)
[09:21] <charliemac> gotta reboot!
[10:05] <charliemac1> bioterror: is this Bobby Sweeney?!
[10:05] <charliemac1> #lubuntu-offtopic lol :D
[11:57] <charliemac> bioterror: which display manager would you recommend?   How to do this?
[17:17] <haskell> iam esing
[17:21] <leszek> hi
[17:23] <mark76> Hey leszek
[17:31] <muxol> I've noticed pidgin has no sound
[17:31] <muxol> Anyone know how to fix that?
[17:31] <muxol> (my sound works fine...listening to music now)
[17:35] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, I know...let me check (it's supposed to be on by default :-/)
[18:38] <leszek> re
[20:43] <lithpr> anyone here get vnc4server running on lubuntu?
[21:01] <bioterror> lithpr, what's the problem?
[21:04] <esing> hello
[21:05] <lithpr> well, i've got to the point where i can connect, but i get this weird checkered x windows lookin displayh
[21:05] <lithpr> i'm trying something new now
[21:05] <lithpr> with x11vnc
[21:06] <esing> I'd like to install another distribution besides lubuntu 10.10  ...  Is this possible?  I already tried to boot from  Ubuntu 8.10 but after the partitioning it fatal errors. Is it actually possible to have another distru besides lubuntu after lubuntu is already installed and how do I do this?
[21:08] <bioterror> esing, you need new partition for that
[21:10] <bioterror> gilir, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxdm/+bug/703658
[21:10] <lithpr> got it http://lifehacker.com/317125/set-up-vnc-on-ubuntu-in-four-steps
[21:10] <lithpr> worked like a charm
[21:11] <bioterror> gilir, seems like my !summon worked as I summoned you ;)
[21:11] <gilir> bioterror, yes :) thanks, I'll have a look
[21:11] <gilir> strangely, the lxde background works nicely
[21:12] <bioterror> for the background yes
[21:12] <bioterror> I think, I'm not using it
[21:12] <bioterror> but it messed my LXDM
[21:19] <esing> bioterror ok before i want to make a backup
[21:20] <esing> how to make backup in lubuntu :D
[21:20] <bioterror> scp -r /home/username user@server:/media/Backup/
[21:20] <bioterror> :D
[21:20] <esing> :>
[21:21] <esing> my extern usb is called Volume
[21:21] <esing> scp -r /home/core core@server:/media/Volume/Backup ?
[21:21] <bioterror> do you have another computer in your network? :)
[21:22] <esing> yes + no ^^
[21:22] <bioterror> :D
[21:22] <esing> it is difficult to send within my wlan network , firewall sucks ^^
[21:22] <bioterror> just copy you ~/ to /media//Volume
[21:22] <bioterror> your
[21:22] <esing> core doesnt have much imporant things
[21:22] <esing> I thought all programs I installed would be important ^^
[21:23] <bioterror> you want to backup your whole system?
[21:23] <esing> yep
[21:23] <bioterror> make image with clonezilla?
[21:23] <esing> oke
[21:23] <bioterror> but good night
[21:23] <esing> I deinstalled many programs from lubuntu
[21:23] <esing> yes good night :D
[21:24] <esing> does it take long?


[16:24] <cobradevil> hello all
[16:24] <cobradevil> will there be xen dom0 support in intrepid?
[16:27] <abogani> I suppose that zul know it.
[16:31] <cobradevil> will wait then?
[16:53] <joumetal> I am trying to triage bug 272537. Is it related to new tlsup driver for toshiba laptops?
[17:47] <CarlFK> bug #272537
[18:06] <munckfish> BenC: spufs isn't getting mounted on boot - it's module so it isn't listed in /proc/filesystems and that's what is checked to see if a filesystem is supported.
[18:07] <munckfish> I'm working with Colin W to see how to work this through in the scripts in sysvinit
[18:07] <munckfish> but how would you feel about spufs being a builtin instead of a module in powerpc64-smp
[18:07] <munckfish> ?
[18:08] <munckfish> Of course I realise it's only needed for Cell
[18:12] <munckfish> spufs.ko amounts to 191K I'm guessing that's a fairly average to small size module
[20:08] <DGMurdockIII> hey
[20:09] <DGMurdockIII> guy I have a problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/277749
[20:20] <BenC> DGMurdockIII: the driver is labeled as beta
[20:20] <BenC> DGMurdockIII: and we are frozen right now for our own beta release
[20:20] <BenC> DGMurdockIII: likely wont make it in, but we'll see what we can do
[20:22] <DGMurdockIII> if it dosent make it in this realese would it be possable that it could be made as a update
[20:22] <DGMurdockIII> after the new version of ubuntu is realsed
[20:23] <joumetal> BenC: Could you have quick look at bug 272537?
[20:24] <DGMurdockIII> and you could contact there live support is open if you want to talk to them about there linux driver and there a pritty small compony
[20:25] <DGMurdockIII> http://www.bigfootnetworks.com/support/ left of site says live support
[20:27] <DGMurdockIII> (BenC): you still there
[20:30] <munckfish> BenC: any thoughts on the above question ^
[20:33] <BenC> munckfish: I thought we had solved the spufs module loading previously
[20:33] <BenC> munckfish: I think initramfs loaded it if it detected a cell machine
[20:34] <munckfish> BenC: well we have a new problem
[20:34] <munckfish> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ps3-port/+bug/274854
[20:34] <munckfish> see my last comment
[20:34] <BenC> DGMurdockIII: to start off with, the module doesn't even compile with our latest kernel
[20:34] <laga> DGMurdockIII: why don't they support their kernel to upstream?
[20:35] <munckfish> It's a chicken and egg situ
[20:35] <DGMurdockIII> lthey have another driver
[20:36] <munckfish> BenC: so the fix is either by making the module a builtin or by modifying the scripts in sysvinit. If you're happy for it to become a builtin like the other kernel filesystems procfs and sysfs
[20:36] <DGMurdockIII> (BenC): http://www.bigfootnetworks.com/Support/index.php?_m=downloads&_a=viewdownload&downloaditemid=13&nav=0,2,8 if you have problem you can try posting in there forums here they are very helpfill http://www.killernic.com/KillerForums/forumdisplay.php?f=7
[20:36] <munckfish> BenC: then that would be a very quick and decisive fix
[20:37] <munckfish> BenC: would just appreciate your viewpoint on the matter (if you have any)
[20:42] <BenC> munckfish: I think the sysvinit scripts is a better place, not being built-in
[20:43] <BenC> munckfish: it should only be loaded and mounted for cell machines (which is easily detected in /proc/cpuinfo, IIRC)
[20:44] <munckfish> BenC: cool thx that's where I'll focus my attention
[20:44] <BenC> munckfish: The reason I say that is because ppc kernel+initramfs has a size limit imposed by yaboot (I think, but never-the-less, no-bloat is best)
[20:47] <munckfish> BenC: aha I see. So we'll keep it slim then.
[21:22] <DGMurdockIII> do ubuntu support fingerprint readers
[21:23] <Nafallo> define 'support'
[21:56] <DGMurdockIII> as in will they be able to be used to for like as loking in
[21:56] <DGMurdockIII> loging in to the OS
[22:01] <BenC> DGMurdockIII: not out-of-the-box, but there are things you can install and configure to make use of it
[22:01] <BenC> probably a howto on the wiki
[22:02] <DGMurdockIII> will ubuntu ever support it out of the box
[22:11] <BenC> Currently our security team tells me that fingerprint reader is not very secure
[22:11] <BenC> mainly because of the hardware
[22:11] <BenC> There are some good fingerprint readers, but it's not easy to tell from the OS whether it's a secure reader or not
[22:12] <BenC> Anyway, there's probably comments and discussion about it all over launchpad.net and wiki.ubuntu.com, so best to go there for answers
[22:33] <CarlFK> you mean "touch here to log in" isn't secure? :)
[23:47]  * kees likes to think of fingerprint readers as someone having a 3-character password.
[23:47] <kees> (i.e. effort to crack, etc)


[02:57] <skellat> ¡BONG!
[02:57] <skellat> Everybody frozen yet?
[03:29] <Unit193> Temp: 24 F (-4 C) ~ light snow mist ~ Windchill: 18 F (-8 C) ~ Humidity: 96%
[03:29] <Unit193> Nah.
[13:33] <jrgifford> skellat: not really, no. some snow, not much.
[13:33] <jrgifford> you>
[13:33] <jrgifford> *?
[13:37] <belkinsa> We have snow but I don't know how much, but it's pretty out there.  ;)
[16:09] <belkinsa> skellat: What is required for a point of contact of a LoCo?
[16:10] <skellat> belkinsa: From the LoCo Council's perspective, you must have a Launchpad account and must have signed the Ubuntu Code of Conduct.
[16:10] <skellat> From Ubuntu Ohio's perspective, we additionally require being part of Ubuntu Member group on Launchpad so that there is no doubt you can access the Community Budget administered by Canonical Community Team
[16:11] <skellat> belkinsa: Moving?
[16:13] <skellat> The point of contact is normally listed as "Owner" on the LoCo's team page in Launchpad
[16:14] <belkinsa> No, I was thinking about removing some stress off you, but I guess I can't since I'm not Ubuntu Member, yet.
[16:19] <skellat> belkinsa: Oh, I can delegate
[16:19] <skellat> There are some things I can't delegate
[16:19] <skellat> But there is quite a lot I can
[16:22] <skellat> And the only stress that is going on is trying to figure out what on earth HR is doing with the paperwork in the hiring process that has dragged on for 2 months now for a job I applied for back in October.  The "Firm Job Offer" letter I got yesterday was so mealy-mouthed and evasive that I'm kinda scratching my head wondering what is going on.
[16:23] <belkinsa> Oh, okay, I see.  And yeah, I guess since we are not so active as a LoCo, there isn' that much stress on you.
[16:24] <skellat> Nah
[16:24] <skellat> I'm doing fine
[16:28] <belkinsa> But in the future, you want to change that, right?  At least based on that post on discourse.
[16:30] <skellat> Possibly
[16:30] <skellat> I gotta head out to pick up some wood from the county seat
[16:30] <skellat> Be back in a little while
[16:30]  * skellat disappears
[16:30] <belkinsa> Okay.
[16:30] <belkinsa> You pretty much answered my question.
[18:06] <cid420> has anybody messed with slackware?
[18:09] <belkinsa> I think I may know someone, but he is outside this channel.
[18:10] <cid420> ok I was thinking on messing with it.. in the pass you had to get your fingers dirty more then other OS's
[18:10] <belkinsa> The person nick here is phillw.
[18:11] <belkinsa> You can pop in this channel and ask him: #phillw
[18:12] <cid420> will do thanks
[18:12] <belkinsa> Not a problem.
[19:05] <dzho> slackware
[19:05] <dzho> man, I started with slackware
[19:05] <dzho> that was a *long* time ago
[19:05] <dzho> cid420: I guess it would be ok to give a look on a virtual machine or something
[19:05] <belkinsa> Didn't someone talk about this at OLF?
[19:05] <belkinsa> OLF2013*
[19:08] <cid420> that is what i did. it is still difficult to run..  you have partition the harddrive by hand then mount it. it isnt user friendly as they stated on there website
[19:09] <dzho> on slackware's website?
[19:09] <cid420> yea www.slackware.com
[19:09] <belkinsa> Any luck in their channel?
[19:10] <cid420> have not gotten that far yet still fiddling with it
[19:11] <dzho> well, when I used it, it was floppy sets
[19:11] <dzho> with boot and root floppies
[19:11]  * dzho mutters something about a lawn
[19:12] <cid420> LOL i missed a word called Setup in root.. that fixed it lol
[19:12] <dzho> heh
[19:12] <belkinsa> Heh, done that once but with the command "push"
[19:12] <dzho> the cool thing back then was that there was this filesystem called umsdos, where you could put your filesystem in DOS and so share it with Windows 9x
[19:14] <dzho> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAT_filesystem_and_Linux
[19:14] <jenni> [ FAT filesystem and Linux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ] - https://j.mp/IycOt1
[19:14] <dzho> come to think of it, maybe I should try to double up on my use of FAT filesystems on external USB hard drives
[19:14] <cid420> dzho: yea i remember that
[19:15] <dzho> one challenge I have with them is that in some situations I want to be just another linux fs
[19:15] <dzho> and so format it with ext3 or ext4
[19:15] <dzho> but sometimes I want to be able to move stuff among linux, MacOS and Windows
[19:15] <dzho> and there are a lot of tradeoffs no matter what you use there.
[19:16] <cid420> I remember before you get into anything like the system doing the administration stuff you had to compile the kernel to fit your hardware needs
[19:16] <dzho> also, sometimes I want to be able to boot and run off the USB drive as a rescue system
[19:16] <dzho> cid420: yeah, needed to do a lot more compilation back in the day
[19:16] <dzho> and X was a lot more of a pain
[19:16] <dzho> there are still driver problems these days
[19:17] <dzho> but nothing like there was
[19:17] <cid420> yea
[19:19] <dzho> every once in a while I need to run dkms to build a kernel module
[19:25] <cid420> would be worth setting up a newsgroup for yourself and select certain subjects to read upon or is that hard to do?
[19:26] <belkinsa> With Thunderbird?
[19:26] <cid420> no i mean a server
[19:26] <cid420> for a person use
[19:26] <belkinsa> Oh.
[19:27] <belkinsa> Sounds like a feed reader to me
[19:28] <dzho> I used to read a lot of news back in the day.
[19:28] <dzho> had fond memories of using 'nn'
[19:28] <cid420> see i have a file server to stream movies that i have backup from my originals, and a email server, I have another server sitting right here doing nothing, so i was thinking on setting up a newsgroup server
[19:28] <dzho> then, more recently, I installed nn and pointed it at a news server.
[19:28] <dzho> and I no longer liked it as much as I remembered having done so :-)
[19:28] <belkinsa> I was a part of one a while back
[19:29] <dzho> sdf/freeshell is good for this sort of stuff, though.
[19:29] <cid420> what do you mean dzho
[19:33] <dzho> like, they run a gopherserver
[19:33]  * dzho is logged onto his account there now, giving nn a try again
[19:33] <dzho> it looks like it's going to time out trying to connect to the default news server though
[20:03]  * canthus13 wonders why the hell anyone would install linux on FAT.
[20:15] <skellat> canthus13: Masochism?
[20:17] <canthus13> Heh. Masochists aren't usually stupid.
[21:16] <cid420> i tried to make my own gopher server but just not enough documentation for it
[21:58] <cid420> wake up fools hehe
[22:19] <andygraybeal> gopher :)
[22:20]  * belkinsa starts to snicker
[22:21] <andygraybeal> so the gui runs on console ctrl-alt-f7 right?  is there a way to run a libvirt/kvm box and have it show up on say ctrl-alt-f6 or something?
[22:38] <jrgifford> cid420: there have been situations where I might want to have linux on a fat32 or ntfs system...
[22:38] <jrgifford> primarily the Pi, where I might need to transfer files from my windows boxes.


[04:52] <marcustomlinson> robru: Hey Rob. Following up from Friday's discussion: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/295413
[04:54] <marcustomlinson> (so LP guys' believe CI Train should be marking no change MPs as Merged when landed)
[04:59] <robru> marcustomlinson: ok, file a bug against lp:bileto pls
[05:00] <marcustomlinson> robru: sure? Not against lp?
[05:03] <marcustomlinson> robru: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bileto/+bug/1594248
[05:04] <robru> marcustomlinson: mark it against lp:bileto if you want it fixed this decade.
[05:04] <marcustomlinson> robru: ok, sorry man
[05:04] <robru> (they're not going to care about MPs with no commits, it's a weird corner case to them)
[05:04] <robru> marcustomlinson: no worries.
[05:05] <robru> marcustomlinson: I would have thought that when I do the merge commit that would have some record of which branch was merged even when there were no revisions (like a git commit with two parents) but I guess bzr doesn't do that so it would be pretty hard to fix on their end
[05:06] <marcustomlinson> robru: yeah, seems like a fundamental flaw
[05:06] <robru> marcustomlinson: one q though, are you sure you actually want this fixed? Seems to me if no-commit MPs aren't marked as merged you could just re-use them whenever whenever you need a no-change rebuild, rather than making a new one each time
[05:07] <marcustomlinson> robru: well, I can reuse it either way really
[05:08] <marcustomlinson> robru: it just seems wrong that it doesn't merge. I think it technically is a bug, so it should probably be fixed
[05:08] <robru> marcustomlinson: ah, a make-work project, ok :-P
[05:09] <marcustomlinson> robru: but hey, not critical. If you want to put it on the backburner we have the bug to remind us
[05:09] <robru> marcustomlinson: yeah, commented on the bug with some details
[05:10] <marcustomlinson> robru: cool, thanks!
[05:10] <robru> marcustomlinson: you're welcome
[09:37] <pstolowski> hi trainguards, can somebody re-trigger autopkg tests in silo 1? (it failed on a flaky unity8 test on one arch)
[10:35] <t1mp> jibel: hello. What do you need for the UITK landing to pass (w.r.t. the red outlines around the telegram-app header)? I have an MR ready, and it will be reviewed and tested, but do you have deadlines for that or is it enough if we tell you that the fixes will land soon?
[10:38] <jibel> t1mp, I'd need a click of telegram with the fix.
[10:39] <jibel> t1mp, no necessarily in the store, but a build to confirm that we will have a fix for this ota
[10:39] <t1mp> jibel: ok, cool. Working on that.
[11:04] <robru> sil2100: lol @ https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/log/1568/build/1/info/
[11:08] <sil2100> robru: yeah, my excellent test run, just make it end gracefuly in such a case! ;)
[11:09] <sil2100> robru: even saying: "Nothing to build man, chill out"
[11:09] <robru> sil2100: you were so excited to try it you just couldn't wait for a real landing ;-)
[11:12] <sil2100> robru: yeah, I saw your e-mail and I was like: "huh, what about manual landings? Lemme check that" and WHAM
[11:12] <t1mp> jibel: I have the click package for telegram-app (thanks cimi!), shall I send it to you by e-mail?
[11:12] <sil2100> robru: ;)
[11:12] <robru> sil2100: oh yeah, manuals will just have to click build first and then upload to the chosen PPA, indeed.
[11:30] <pstolowski> sil2100, hey, can you re-trigger tests in silo 1?
[11:34] <pstolowski> sil2100, hey, can you re-trigger tests in silo 1?
[11:37] <sil2100> pstolowski: sure! Let me try find that request
[11:38] <sil2100> pstolowski: retried
[11:47] <pstolowski> sil2100, ty!
[11:47] <sil2100> yw!
[12:14] <robru> hmmmm
[12:37] <jibel> t1mp, ^
[12:42] <t1mp> jibel: great, thank you :)
[13:33] <Saviq> sil2100, hey, you've no commit logs for turbo?
[16:06] <rvr> pstolowski: Silo 65 approved
[16:06] <pstolowski> rvr, great, thanks!
[16:11] <alecu> pstolowski: rvr: yay!
[16:14] <pstolowski> rvr, there is a very similar change to my photos scope, but i think it doesn't go via citrain (it's going to the custom tarball); penk or gary wang should clarify this soon hopefuly
[16:37] <renato___> trainguards, I having problems to assign this silo: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1577
[16:37] <renato___> it says invalid URL
[16:37] <renato___> kenvandine, tedg ^^
[16:38] <robru> renato___: just build
[16:38] <renato___> robru, thanks
[16:38] <robru> renato___: I sent an email explaining changes
[16:38] <robru> You're welcome
[16:39] <renato___> sorry I did not see the e-mail, I will re-check
[16:40] <tedg> On-the-fly-assignment is a cool feature.
[16:43] <dobey> tedg: and literally when we start running builds on drones
[16:43] <dobey> and literal, even
[16:45] <robru> renato___: assign button will disappear if you reload
[16:47] <dobey> robru: what about silos that need to manually assign, for manual uploads?
[16:48] <robru> dobey: just run build first then put packages in the PPA after
[16:49] <robru> dobey: basically assign and build are the same now
[16:54] <dobey> ah ok
[17:21] <mterry> sil2100, your ubuntu-touch commitlogs don't seem to be including the debian/changelog contents of late


[22:19]  * thumper headdesks
[22:35] <bigjools> o/
[22:36] <thumper> hi bigjools
[22:37] <bigjools> good holiday thumper?
[22:37] <thumper> lovely to not read work emails
[22:37] <thumper> although quite a few to go through this morning
[22:37] <thumper> with some dupes...
[22:37] <bigjools> until you get back
[22:37] <thumper> bigjools: looking at the maas bootstrap issue that rvb had
[22:38] <thumper> can't reproduce it locally...
[22:38] <thumper> in the test
[22:38] <bigjools> I've not delved that far into my email yet, but I did see something fly past
[22:38] <thumper> wondering how it got created...
[22:38]  * thumper thinks
[22:38] <bigjools> will discuss it when I get there
[22:39] <thumper> bigjools: I'm going to go to the gym shortly
[22:39] <thumper> so perhaps we could talk when I get back
[22:39] <bigjools> ok
[22:39] <thumper> also would like to chat about other maas issues
[22:40] <thumper> specifically  abusing tags and alternative options
[22:40] <bigjools> urgh my connection is crap this morning
[23:49] <davecheney> arosales: yes 1.1.2 is required